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[Brymor]

Have been using xoom for the last few years to send money to the Philippines and it has always been the cheapest method compared to bank transfers and Western Union. I don't send much, but the frequency is usually once or twice per month and there have never been any problems. However on my last visit to the Philippines I tried to use my Xoom account to transfer money to a girl in Pagadian City whilst I was in Cebu.

Xoom obviously picked up on the fact that I was in the same country that I was sending money and promptly blocked my account. At the time I did not realise inter country transfers were not allowed.

Once back in my home country (UK) I sent several emails asking for my account to be reinstated but all I got back was automated replies that did not address any of the issues. It took several long distance phone calls to the US before my account was was again functioning.

I continued using my account successfully until this month when I found I could no longer log in, despite repeated attempts. I fired off several emails (all of them polite I might add) and eventually got this email from xoom, I have cut and pasted it for everyone's benefit

"We write to inform you that, after careful review, we have disabled your Xoom account, effective immediately, and canceled all pending transactions. This decision cannot be appealed. Please discontinue using the Xoom service and use an alternative sending money source.

Very truly yours,

The Xoom Compliance Team"

I tried phoning xoom several times and have asked the customer service representative to find out what the reason is for the above email but no one from xoom has even had the courtesy to give me an explanation. I have written to them again politely and called but no one from xoom will offer me any reason or explanation. I am so angry, no I am incandescent with rage that xoom have treated me like this after several years of my loyal custom arrrrhhhhh ****ing ***holes and I have posted this as a warning to other members who may use xoom to transfer money. Anyone else can shed any light on this attitude of Xoom???...................OK rant over lets talk about something more interesting like sex!!

PS Just in case anyone from xoom ever reads this...........though I doubt it...they are all probably too busy fucking off their customers rather than attending to their needs........ I will see hell freeze over before I ever recommend your service and I will go out of my way to dissuade any other unfortunate person from using your service

[Jambo]

Have been using xoom for the last few years to send money to the Philippines
This is where holiday crush meets lack of funding. Its much easier to have automated systems decide when so suspend an account. Hiring someone to actually review accounts costs $$, and there is a recession on.

Certainly suggest, next time you travel to the PI, you message your bank and tell them you are on vacation there and may be using your debit/credit card.

Within Asia, Indonesia and Philippines are the fraud standouts.

[Agentwhite]

Hey guys,

I am just wondering what is the bar scene like in Manila and how much is it to barfine a girl there? Also, what is the best way to travel from Manila to Angeles City, since I'm not planning on renting a car?

Thanks

[Brymor]

This is where holiday crush meets lack of funding. Its much easier to have automated systems decide when so suspend an account. Hiring someone to actually review accounts costs $$, and there is a recession on.

Certainly suggest, next time you travel to the PI, you message your bank and tell them you are on vacation there and may be using your debit/credit card.

Within Asia, Indonesia and Philippines are the fraud standouts.

Jambo
I think you have misunderstood my rant!
This is not about the use of my credit/debit cards, I use these frequently in the Philippines without any problems. I am talking about xoom money transfers, similar in many ways to Western Union. I don't understand what you mean about holiday funding verses lack of funding since xoom take the money from your account debit/credit card before transferring it on to the third party, so in essence they do not need or use their own funds.
Mortman

[Jambo]

Jambo I think you have misunderstood my rant!
No what I mean is companies don't have the money to fully fund customer service. If a program cam make a risk decision they will go with it. Closing your account may seem better for them than keeping x no of Pakistanis on the payroll to answer phone calls. After all, you used Xoom because why? They were cheapest.

Sending a msg to your banks in advance of travel may prevent these kind of interruptions in service, as it explains why suddenly you are withdrawing money from another country.

BTW Paypal handles Philippin Pesos now. $1.50 fee to send $300, and the PHP exchange rate now is 46.1p/$ not that bad.

Call me a pessimist. But I think we need to get used to living where any organization we are dealing with could collapse the next day.

[Ekspat]

I am just wondering what is the bar scene like in Manila and how much is it to barfine a girl there? Also, what is the best way to travel from Manila to Angeles City, since I'm not planning on renting a car?

Quite obviously you are able to write.
How about reading?

[Finrod]

I've used Xoom from time to time for a few years without incident. Before I left home a month ago, I emailed Xoom and asked them if I could continue to use their service while overseas. After a small amount of clarification, they said yes and appear to have upheld their end as I was able to send money a couple of weeks ago while I was in the Phils. So not everyone has a bad ending like Mortman. Sorry to hear about his bad time and I understand his anger, but it's not enough to send me elsewhere. Yet.

[Agentwhite]

Quite obviously you are able to write.

How about reading?Obviously you have the time on your hands to come on here and be a *******. I didn't mean to rustle any feathers. I unfortunately have sifted through a lot of useful information on here , but just haven't found exactly what I was looking for. If anyone could help me out that would be awesome.

AgentWhite

[Wicked Roger]

Mortman

I would agree with your comments. Have tried to use Xoom on a number of occasions from the UAE and completely hopeless. Last time I did this the request was rejected and I did not even know until I called them...this after a frantic call from the girlfriend asking where is it 2 days later!....all Xoom would say is the card was rejected. This is a well known international bank.

So now I have stopped using Xoom and if pushed use WU.

Given that mongers come i all shapes and sizes am sure there must be a Xoom employee who likes our habits....and hopefully he will do his best to rectify the problems

[Spanish Main]

I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.

Can one of you experts suggest the best locations. I want to go in January.

Thanks

[Mark17]

BTW Paypal handles Philippin Pesos now. $1.50 fee to send $300, and the PHP exchange rate now is 46.1p/$ not that bad.Can you elaborate how to use Paypal to wire money to another country?

I looked at the site, but could not figure it out.

Can it be arranged for a person to pick it up, or just into a bank account?

How to you pay the funds, from a credit card? Do they charge a cash advance fee?

Thanks

[Jambo]

Can you elaborate how to use Paypal to wire money to another country?
Well I have not done it but it looks like:
- You and her both need Paypal accounts.
- She needs a local bank account.
- You fund paypal with a credit card or transfer from your bank.
- She can pick up the Paypal transfer at her bank. After 6 months, seems like she can get a debit card from Paypal and use that.
- Start a transaction and you will see the fees as you go. There will certainly be more fees in the transfer/pickup in her bank.

The expats in the Living in Cebu forums have been chatting about this. I suggest you don't mention mongering over there..lol

[Josh63]

Sorry fellow mongers for the late report.

I hooked up with Nikki the first week of May. I spent a couple of days with her and she is good company and very accommodating. The logistic with getting her to Manila were a bit of show, but all in all everything when as planned. She’s a very talented lady that knows how to make you feel pretty damn good. She is also willing to find another lady or guy and get it on. Basically whatever you want to do, she is probably game for it. We tried to find another girl one night but things just didn’t pan out with the one’s we wanted so it didn’t happen. I wanted to get a buddy of mine to bang her as well but he took off to Subic and didn’t get back in time. All in all I would recommend her to anyone looking for a good time. She is comfortable to be around and not demanding. I would recommend if someone wants to spend some time with a lady that knows how to get it done, she is your lady. If she is around when I go back to Manila I will look her up.

I’ve posted some pictures in the photo section.

RaZZorRI also had the pleasure of meeting Miss N. (see also the UAE section for reference). This was the end of October. Indeed it was again difficult to get her to Manila, as she was at that moment several hours of bus-drive away. On top of that, there had recently been two hurricanes and a lot of flooding, causing her and her family a lot of trouble. But when she was finally there, I had a great time with her. She stayed for two nights and was everything I had hoped for! So a thank you to WR for putting me in touch with her. She told me she had plans to move to Manila, so that should be much easier in the near future. Please PM WR for contact details.

I'll post some more picures in the photo section.

[X Man]

I've done some day trips here and there, but I can't be of much help. I hope you follow up with some field reports.

I enjoyed a short hiking trip out of Valencia, Negros to see the falls. THe name escapes me, but also there is the Twin Lakes area...out of Dumaguete I think.

Found some beautiful areas on Leyte. Samar is probably worth investigating.

Kongking once gave an excellent report about his multiple day hike up and down Mt. Apo, Mindanao (Davao thread?). Spamhog once gave an excellent post about visiting Mrs. SH's hometown in the boondocks of Surigao.

"Dirty" women? Some of the begger women let themselves get dirty to increase revenue. Have fun with them.

Cebu or Davao are good starting points for what you have in mind.

X


I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.

Can one of you experts suggest the best locations. I want to go in January.

Thanks

[Yella Man]

Can you elaborate how to use Paypal to wire money to another country?

I looked at the site, but could not figure it out.

Can it be arranged for a person to pick it up, or just into a bank account?

How to you pay the funds, from a credit card? Do they charge a cash advance fee?

Thanks


Transfering money?

A: Reach into your left pocket with your left hand.
B: Transfer money to your right hand.
C: Place money into your right pocket.
D: Fly to Philippines the first chance you get and have fun with transfered money! :)

YM

[El Vagabundo]

I need a flight from Saigon to Manila or even Clark on the 14th of December. Should I purchase the flight in Saigon or book it in advance. I know about Cebu Pacific, any other discount airlines fly this route?

Martin

[Robbaf]

I need a flight from Saigon to Manila or even Clark on the 14th of December. Should I purchase the flight in Saigon or book it in advance. I know about Cebu Pacific, any other discount airlines fly this route?

Martin
I took Philippine Airlines (PAL) from Saigon to Manila in Sept for about $60. I have found it easier to book online with PAL then Cebu Pacific.

http://www.philippineairlines.com/home/home.jsp

Robb

[El Vagabundo]

I took Philippine Airlines (PAL) from Saigon to Manila in Sept for about $60. I have found it easier to book online with PAL then Cebu Pacific.

http://www.philippineairlines.com/home/home.jsp

RobbThanks for the info. I just checked Philippines Air and they only have flights once a week and the fare is $230. 00 one way. Hopefully I can find something on the day I need to travel and a little cheaper too. I will keep an eye on them!

[Cunning Stunt]

Maybe it has sod all to do with The Philippines (or maybe it has)...

....but even when you are having a really, really bad day ...

...there is still somebody who wants to screw you:D.

[Key Master]

I need a flight from Saigon to Manila or even Clark on the 14th of December. Should I purchase the flight in Saigon or book it in advance. I know about Cebu Pacific, any other discount airlines fly this route?

Martin

Are you planning on not going back to Vietnam afterwards? If you are traveling to Vietnam and don't have a ticket leaving, some airlines may not let you fly in if you don't have a ticket out of there. Some airlines do check. Maybe you live there I don't know but if you don't, I'd make sure ahead of time that you don't need a outbound ticket before you arrive in Vietnam.

[El Culion]

Are you planning on not going back to Vietnam afterwards? If you are traveling to Vietnam and don't have a ticket leaving, some airlines may not let you fly in if you don't have a ticket out of there. Some airlines do check.Good advice! At BKK CP refused to check me in for my flight to MNL because I didn't have a return ticket.

[El Vagabundo]

Are you planning on not going back to Vietnam afterwards? If you are traveling to Vietnam and don't have a ticket leaving, some airlines may not let you fly in if you don't have a ticket out of there. Some airlines do check. Maybe you live there I don't know but if you don't, I'd make sure ahead of time that you don't need a outbound ticket before you arrive in Vietnam.WOW, you bring up a very good point. I have a ticked going into Vietnam, then leaving from BKK 6 weeks later. I was just going to wing it once I get there. I did not think about Vietnam wanting to see an onward ticket out of Vietnam. United sold me the ticket and they consider it a round trip, however perhaps Vietnam Immigration my not. I think I will reserve a flight out of the country and print out the reservation just in case. Good point.

I think I also need some kind of Visa, I saw a company that has an on demand Visa that is waiting for you when you arrive. Do I really need that or can I just pay something when I enter and get in?

I live in Colombia and they are so sloppy and lazy here that I am very used to getting around most of this stuff. One time I was coming in and had used up all my days available on a tourist visa. I convinced the Immigration officer that he was counting the days wrong and he did not want to bother with getting a calendar so he just stamped my passport and off I went, Or perhaps I just know the system and am comfortable with it.

It is going to be a great adventure. I am really looking forward to it.

Thanks, Martin

[Marconista]

You could take the (abt) 3 hour drive from Manila to Batangas, then 45 minutes of ride with a banca to Puerto Galera/Sabang where you can have your dirty women... and rent a driver and a Jeep(ney) to take you out in to the forrests of Mindoro (an island southwest of Luzon) where you can experience the ancient life of the "real" pinoys, and ask them to take down a coconut for you to enjoy.



I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.

Can one of you experts suggest the best locations. I want to go in January.

Thanks

[Red Kilt]

I think I also need some kind of Visa, I saw a company that has an on demand Visa that is waiting for you when you arrive. Do I really need that or can I just pay something when I enter and get in?You need a visa for Vietnam. It is misleading when you read that you can get an "on-entry" visa in the travel pages.

What it means is that you have to pre-arrange the visa before you go and you get a serial number to quote when you arrive.

There are companies who can assit you with arranging this type of visa. I think it is safer to go to your local Vietnam Embassy and get a visa before you leave.

If you rock up without any pre-planned visa you will be denied entry.

[Darmstadter]

I'll be coming next month for the first time and I'll be staying in Manila for a while then I want to head out for some mongering in another part of the country. Any ideas for a first timer to the country?

I was thinking of Cebu but all I have now is a ticket in and out of Manila so I'm open to go any where else in the country.

Thanks

[Jan 156]

I would like to spend a week in the rainforest and two weeks on an idillic beach with palm trees, fresh coconuts and dirty women.



I'm afraid my query is a bit similar. My interest in the Philippines is mostly the idea of a gorgeous, uncrowded beach. Where the hassle reaching it is nominal. It's part of a long trip for me and, although it's nice to have 'dirty women' on tap so to speak, I like that the same way as it's nice to have fresh bottled water available (rather than as a primary purpose). Angeles City is obviously a curiosity not to be missed, and the airport is handy to fly out of. But can I find a nice expanse of sand, maybe a beach hut, and not have to shell out a fortune or have brain overload working out how to get there? Sorry to be boring.

[Amjeck]

Which sim card is better to have: smart or globe?

[GregLondon]

Which sim card is better to have: smart or globe?


Its best to get the same network as the people you are phoning. if you havent got someone in particular but will be looking for various girls when you re there, my estmate would be that SMART + affiliates have a 50% market share, Globe Plus affiliates have a 30% market shre and Others 20%. So go with Smart.

[GregLondon]

Its best to get the same network as the people you are phoning. if you havent got someone in particular but will be looking for various girls when you re there, my estmate would be that SMART + affiliates have a 50% market share, Globe Plus affiliates have a 30% market shre and Others 20%. So go with Smart.

if you are there for any length of time or have a dual sim card phomne or can geta very cheap second phone it may even make sense to get both Smart and Globe

[White Whale]

Does anyone know or have experience on setting broadband internet access for local girl? I am looking for most economical solution as I would have to (pre-)pay for it. It can be wired or wireless. Probably wireless USB modem is more practical in this case. I have googled on matter and found three providers: Sun Cellular, Smart (Bro) and Globe (Tattoo). She would be mostly using it in her province - Balanga City, Bataan, in Central Luzon.

[Manta Ray]

does anyone know or have experience on setting broadband internet access for local girl? i am looking for most economical solution as i would have to (pre-)pay for it. it can be wired or wireless. probably wireless usb modem is more practical in this case. i have googled on matter and found three providers: sun cellular, smart (bro) and globe (tattoo). she would be mostly using it in her province - balanga city, bataan, in central luzon.


i don't know about globe or sun cellular, but i have been using smart bro for a few months now. it is the size of a cig lighter and connects to the computer via usb port. it costs around 2000 pesos to buy from a smart wireless center, and is easy to set up and use--it just needs a four digit pin that your gal can come up with. the cost for being onliine is 20 p per hour (if i remember correctly) broken down into 30 minute sections, ie, if you are online for 29 minutes, it is 10 p; if you are online for 31 minutes, it is 20 p.

generally speaking, i only use it now when i travel around pi or if my broadband connection at home has a problem. the speed is fine, though variable depending on the local wireless network. all in all, seems like it would be a suitably economical solution for you.

hope this helps.

mantaray

[X Man]

I've always used Globe. Sometimes women will say they can't text me since, "You aren't SMART." It's kind of a double whammy to my ego.

In the beginning I couldn't understand why women would call, allow one ring, and immediately hang up. I guess that is a message telling you to look at the message she has just sent. X


Its best to get the same network as the people you are phoning. if you havent got someone in particular but will be looking for various girls when you re there, my estmate would be that SMART + affiliates have a 50% market share, Globe Plus affiliates have a 30% market shre and Others 20%. So go with Smart.

[GregLondon]

I've always used Globe. Sometimes women will say they can't text me since, "You aren't SMART." It's kind of a double whammy to my ego.

In the beginning I couldn't understand why women would call, allow one ring, and immediately hang up. I guess that is a message telling you to look at the message she has just sent. X


Yes generally speaking its 1P for intranetwork texts and 2P for texts between networks, so women are much keener to communicate with you on the same network. MAny of the more active girls will also pay 30P a day for a service giving unlimited texts intra network (and discounted extra network texts.) If you are communicating witha bunch of different grils it is often cheaper for you to get this option too. You have to send a text to te operator to sign up for unlimited daily texts. Any girl or telecom vendor will tel you the various options.

[Yella Man]

I've always used Globe. Sometimes women will say they can't text me since, "You aren't SMART." It's kind of a double whammy to my ego.

In the beginning I couldn't understand why women would call, allow one ring, and immediately hang up. I guess that is a message telling you to look at the message she has just sent. X


X, one girl explained to me when I asked her why she rang my phone and hung up, that she was checking to see if my phone was turned on. Evidently a recorded messege saying party is unavailable plays if your phone is turned off. I get the one ring/hang up routine at least a few times a day when I'm in country.

YM

[Member #4351]

Here in Peru these hang up calls are called "llamadas misias" i.e. "I have no money" calls. Thus her call is free and you return the call on your "dime".

[Key Master]

X, one girl explained to me when I asked her why she rang my phone and hung up, that she was checking to see if my phone was turned on. Evidently a recorded messege saying party is unavailable plays if your phone is turned off. I get the one ring/hang up routine at least a few times a day when I'm in country.

YM

I think there are a variety of reasons why they make one ring and hangup. One as Yella has mentioned. They are checking if you are in the PI. When you know a woman knows you are here and they do that, that's usually a signal they want you to call them. They don't want to use up their pesos off they're sim card.

[Robbaf]

X, one girl explained to me when I asked her why she rang my phone and hung up, that she was checking to see if my phone was turned on. Evidently a recorded messege saying party is unavailable plays if your phone is turned off. I get the one ring/hang up routine at least a few times a day when I'm in country.

YM
You are so right YM. They don't want to waste a text on you if your cell is off:D

Robb

[Warbucks]

Rising HIV cases in RP alarms Saudi embassy
By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net

First Posted 13:21:00 12/10/2009

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Close this MANILA, Philippines—The rising number of HIV and AIDS cases in the country has so worried the Saudi embassy here that it advised medical clinics processing overseas Filipino workers bound for Middle East countries to intensify medical exams and screening for workers to be deployed there, it was learned Thursday.

Departing Saudi Ambassador to the Philippines Muhammad Ameen Wali had called Dr. Rodolfo Punzalan, president and chairman of accredited clinics that screen OFWs leaving for the Gulf countries, to express his concern over the reported upsurge in the cases of human immuno-deficiency virus and acquired immuno-deficiency syndrome in the country.

Punzalan’s 17 Gamca (Gulf Cooperation Council Accedited Medical Center Association) clinics screen OFWs leaving for Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates for infectious diseases.

On December 1, 2009, during the 21st World AIDS Day, the United Nations noted that HIV and AIDS cases in the country have climbed steeply in recent years. More than 9,000 HIV cases have been reported since 1984, with the highest number of monthly cases seen last May 2009.

“The Philippines, with the first AIDS case reported in 1984, remains a low prevalence country, with cases registered at less than 0.1 percent of the total population. However, the recent report of the Philippine HIV and AIDS Registry shows a steep and accelerating number of reported cases in the country,” the UN had said then.

Punzalan stressed that the screening is to prevent the spread of diseases. He said the Gamca referral decking system red-flags an applicant found or suspected with an infectious disease.

The Gamca official said Saudi is very strict with this requirement, performing confirmatory medical exams on all OFWs coming from the Philippines.

He said that in the faxed memo from the Saudi embassy, the latter noted that an increasing number of OFWs have been declared unfit for work by hospitals in Saudi Arabia.

“Now, if we have a lot of repatriations due to infectious diseases, it would affect the hiring of OFWs,” Punzalan warned.

OFWs declared unfit for work by hospitals in Saudi are repatriated at the expense of the employer or the clinic, which is then fined $1,000 for every repatriated OFW.

Punzalan said that among the infectious diseases, HIV/AIDS is the most feared by Middle East employers, followed by pulmonary tuberculosis, venereal diseases, hepatitis, congestive heart, diabetes, and hypertension

[Wicked Roger]

Rising HIV cases in RP alarms Saudi embassy
By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net

Punzalan said that among the infectious diseases, HIV/AIDS is the most feared by Middle East employers, followed by pulmonary tuberculosis, venereal diseases, hepatitis, congestive heart, diabetes, and hypertension
All persons moving to KSA get tested in the home country and then again when they arrive Sauidi...so am sure this is more to do with the inadeaquate testing services in some countries and also some try to avoid having as many OFWs so can 'fix' the test result in Saudi (eg to exclude certain persons who the employer does not like)....not unheard of.

In many instances the testing clinic in the home country is owned by KSA nationals so again purely money making exercise IMHO

[Hairy Wonder]

Hey all!

I have been sidelined by one spinner for quite some time, so I haven't been posting on here much. But I'm done with that, so I'm ready to get back into the game.

In order to be well prepared, I have decided to search for a reputable medical facility to have a vasectomy performed. I don't want to be leaving anything but good feelings after I've made my contributions.

Can anyone tell me of a good place for have a vasectomy done, and also what kind of prices I should expect? I'm thinking it should be lower cost in PI or Thailand than what I could expect here in Korea or back in the states. Any suggestions are welcome!

Thanks!
HW

[Gangles]

St Luke's Hospital has been recommended to me.

I have used it once, and I have been impressed with the place, although I do not know of its reputation re vasectomies.

To me, it is very smart to have a vasectomy. I had one years ago, and before I meet up with a contact throug a dating site, I tel her, in an apologetic tone, that I can't get her pregnant.

Seems to be working as no lady that I have met up with has not jumped into bed immediately.

And it is not my good looks, I can promise you.

I think it just relieves one element of risk from her radar.

G

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Today I had a travel agent with about 20 yrs experience specializing in the Phil tell me that it was not a good idea to book a one way ticket to the Phil even with an onward flight to say BKK. The reason she says is that many airlines will not allow you to board in USA without a return ticket back to USA or a ticket to onward country; that even if onward country THAT country might not allow you in without a return/foward following THEIR visa rules to some other country.

She also said that the gov. In Phil is very shitty about visas and any jerkoff there if he is in a foul mood can send you home whenever he/she wants instead of extending your visa. This plus the bi monthly P4000 fees I am seeing to pay the poriner tax for staying in this shit country really discourages me from even going there. As much as I'd like to see the few friends I have made there, I doubt I am going to be able to tolerate the arbitrariness and bureaucracy there, not to mention the bad air, crime, scams, bribes, the ripoff substandard housing costs there (compared to Thailand) and the disingenuous women I meet on chat there.

I really am starting to think the whole idea of paradise in the Phil is a mirage created by filipinas who are desperate to get out of there and has no substance in reality. It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.

About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. But balance that against the fact that they can talk and scheme right in front of you without you even know what the hell is happening.

It may be far preferable to go to someplace like Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia or Indonesia if you want a cheap playground. I know Thailand has MUCH better housing deals and the people are more civilized, although the women there are not as phoney dependent as they are in Phil.

Has anyone here actually married a woman there they met online? I find 95% of them to either be total phoneys with the remainder having the same feminist qualities as American c**nts. I am told that women of any class or character are not very easy to get there as they are looked on as hookers by the native population even seen in the company of a Westerner.

Apologies for those who think I am off the mark, but that is the way I see it.

Phil is not such a good deal, maybe it once was when prices were low, but most cities now even the cost of a banger is quite high, the only exception being A. C. Where you are likely to spend more on drinks and other useless crap than you are on buying what you came for.

Plus airfares I have recently checked are way up for the next couple months.

Central America is also looking much better now, even Southern Mexico.

[Starchild2012]

i was in makati a couple weeks ago. i met up with one lady who i had seen on my trip four months ago. as usual, she showed up at my hotel room late so we got down to business right away. she presently works in a call center so she had to leave in the evening to go to work.

a couple nights ago i get a message from her that she had contracted gonorrhea and needs some money for her treatment. obviously, i went to the doc even though i had no symptoms. after a few days, the results came back and i was as clean as a whistle.

after much deliberation, i decided to send her some money in the event she did have something more benign such as a bladder infection. i would have preferred her just asking for the extra money for christmas to avoid all the drama.

mostly, the chances in pi would be uti (urinary tract infection) and it costs less than 200 pesos for the medicine...one quick search on google for uti gets the medication to use.

women are more vulnerable to uti than men, drink plenty of water after the deed and [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) off just after sex to remove any bacterial infection..it works :)

[Starchild2012]

Rising HIV cases in RP alarms Saudi embassy
By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net

First Posted 13:21:00 12/10/2009

Global Nation Most Read RSS

Close this MANILA, Philippines—The rising number of HIV and AIDS cases in the country has so worried the Saudi embassy here that it advised medical clinics processing overseas Filipino workers bound for Middle East countries to intensify medical exams and screening for workers to be deployed there, it was learned Thursday.



They are employing the same tactic to get millions that they used successfully in India.

HIV in PH is nearly zero, its the NGO's that hype up the stats to get more funding from gates foundation and WHO....The article does not say that the population in the Ph has jumped 30% or so than last decade....so if we average HIV infection is now less than before..compared to the whole population growth.

its only a decade ago..PH has a population of 70 million now its more than 90 million.

I have been a part of USAID back in India when i graduated from college and India was the largest beneficiary of the aid and i saw NGO's buying expensive vehicles for their travel to go to interiors to the country to show of numbers and living in luxary in mumbai.

More than a dozen NGO's in India were banned from operating after they were found to proliferate the money from AIDS prevention.

Im not saying HIV risk is not in PH, but the scary tactic seems exactly as they did in India to get more money from USAID..first they jack up the number then they ask money..then they disappear.

[Devils 1]

Lots of questions recently about cheap flights to Manila. I got this email today. Notice they only fly from Los Angeles, San Fran, Las Vegas and Vancouver. I am sure there are a bunch of rules, but best to go to there website to check it out.

Los Angeles or San Francisco
TO
Davao/ Cebu/ Bacolod/ Iloilo/ Kalibo/
Puerto Princesa/Legaspi/ Tacloban/ Tagbilaran/ Dumaguete
(VIA Manila)

Free Stopover in Manila on the return journey

For as low asUS$938*

[FreebieFan]

St Luke's Hospital has been recommended to me.

I have used it once, and I have been impressed with the place, although I do not know of its reputation re vasectomies.

To me, it is very smart to have a vasectomy. I had one years ago, and before I meet up with a contact throug a dating site, I tel her, in an apologetic tone, that I can't get her pregnant.

Seems to be working as no lady that I have met up with has not jumped into bed immediately.

And it is not my good looks, I can promise you.

I think it just relieves one element of risk from her radar.

GSt lukes is a VERY good place. Girls tend to be interested when you tell them that you "can't " get them pregnant.. I; ve had no prostate for past few years and they are truly amazed that a guy can have no sperm. They also have no idea or proof when you come which makes sex very interesting. A blow job with no cum to deal with. They love that!

[Black Boots]

"I have been a part of USAID back in India when I graduated from college and India was the largest beneficiary of the aid and I saw NGO's buying expensive vehicles for their travel to go to interiors to the country to show of numbers and living in luxary in Mumbai.

More than a dozen NGO's in India were banned from operating after they were found to proliferate the money from AIDS prevention. "

Have travelled recently across Africa and seems same modus operandi. No real help to the needy only empty promises year after year. Something sinister is going on. What about the Climate change?

[Ezinho]

I really am starting to think the whole idea of paradise in the Phil is a mirage created by filipinas who are desperate to get out of there and has no substance in reality. It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.

About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. But balance that against the fact that they can talk and scheme right in front of you without you even know what the hell is happening.

Your post is quite negative but I think you make some really good points. You're right that the Phils isn't that cheap, considering it's essentially a fourth world country. For example, my rent and daily cost of living were cheaper when I lived in Ecuador, and I had a better standard of living compared to the Philippines. I was only in the Phils for a couple of months so perhaps I need to stay longer in order to lock in a lower lease, etc. But still, things like electricity and other utilities are a rip off in the Philippines.

Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.

Regarding expatriation, I'm with you about Central America, and even Mexico is starting to look good.

[FreebieFan]

Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.I guess some of the other posters will chirp up to indicate disagreement with your comments. I have no problem with the quality or level of English spoken there. Never had a problem.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

Lots of questions recently about cheap flights to Manila. I got this email today. Notice they only fly from Los Angeles, San Fran, Las Vegas and Vancouver. I am sure there are a bunch of rules, but best to go to there website to check it out.

Los Angeles or San Francisco
TO
Davao/ Cebu/ Bacolod/ Iloilo/ Kalibo/
Puerto Princesa/Legaspi/ Tacloban/ Tagbilaran/ Dumaguete
(VIA Manila)

Free Stopover in Manila on the return journey

For as low asUS$938*Airline? Source? Never mind I have access to a travel agent search engine.

Have a nice day.

[TurdyCurdyOne]

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Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.

Regarding expatriation, I'm with you about Central America, and even Mexico is starting to look good.Yeah I would guesstimate about 50% of the women I meet on chat are so lacking in proficient English it becomes a chore to talk to them.

When you add up the visa renewal costs this is a significant expense in living there.

The phil. gov. also imposes heavy ticket taxes on airline prices. Business startup costs are high there even if you can manage to keep control of what will almost always be a Filipino owned biz.

It is not a very welcoming Country. Short time and long time costs are high for such a place, considering the wage rates there; even in Angeles, when you take into account all the ancilliary costs associated with buying p**sy, it is no bargain, imo.

But u cannot deny the filipina woman usually have a very welcoming attitude even if they do have alterior motives. Contrast this to thai women who are much more independent and not as eager.

Interesting what you say about Ecuador. Aren't they on the American dollar?
Can't remember what their women look like, are they of Indian ancestry for the most part?

I just checked airfares to Guatemala city, about $400 less than to Cebu/Mnl
Far as I can remember I think their visa fees are not as oppressive either.

[Warbucks]

HIV in PH is nearly zero,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_Philippines
PI has a large population of intravenous drug users and Gay groups who are highly susceptible to HIV infection. Not to the mention the number of westerners who frequent the place and like to ride bareback with various women. Also Filipino guys are known for their lack of condom use. It is like Kryptonite to them LOL. I would think HIV is much higher in PI then the government is letting on. That is the Philippine’s way though ignore a problem and act as if it doesn’t exist. BL I would like to see where you get your facts or is this all just speculation?



Philippines sits on HIV time bomb
Some sources suspect that the Philippine government has concealed the extent of the HIV/AIDS problem.[3][edit] References

St Luke's Hospital has been recommended to me. I have used it once, and I have been impressed with the place, although I do not know of its reputation re vasectomies.
Asian hospital in Muntinlupa is pretty good.
http://www.asianhospital.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Hospital_and_Medical_Center

Your post is quite negative but I think you make some really good points. You're right that the Phils isn't that cheap, considering it's essentially a fourth world country. For example, my rent and daily cost of living were cheaper when I lived in Ecuador, and I had a better standard of living compared to the Philippines. I was only in the Phils for a couple of months so perhaps I need to stay longer in order to lock in a lower lease, etc. But still, things like electricity and other utilities are a rip off in the Philippines. .
Yes the Philippines is expensive for a poverty stricken country but so is Afghanistan LOL. The electricity is ridiculous. I read in a magazine that PI power cost were second in Asia only to Japan. Hotels are way over priced, food etc. I usually spend about $350 on food alone and my household is a family of 2 but I do eat western style dishes steak, fish on the regular etc. Eating out is a multi-weekly thing. If I had to stay out here and try rub pennies togather I would take my ass home. It’s not worth it just for ass. Well not for me.


Another thing about people speaking English, I read this a lot on this board and others as well and I have to say that this is the biggest crock of shit I have ever heard in my life! The vast majority of people in the Philippines DO NOT speak English well, and the dirt poor Filipinos barely speak it at all. I don't understand the guys that say Filipinas speak great English, unless they are dating upper class girls, then that is true but that is a very small minority of the women in the Philippines. And the bar girls, please, most of them speak terrible English! If you decide to live there I think you must learn Tagalog.

Regarding expatriation, I'm with you about Central America, and even Mexico is starting to look good.

It would help to learn Tagalog but it is not required my Tagalog is very limited and I get along fine. One thing you do need to live out here what I have yet to see mentioned… is a local you can trust. I am not talking about that uneducated fuck toy from Burgos or EDSA but somebody you can really trust that has their head on straight. You will find yourself in jams or find people trying to rip you off. If you know no one here who is going to try to protect your wallet and you then you will find the place undesirable. Now finding a local with a straight head is the challenge. Most locals I have came across from the bar girls shaking ass in the club to the college educated ones with good jobs have been "out there" mentally.

[Bob Bowie]

It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.

About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. Has anyone here actually married a woman there they met online? I find.

Girls are not that easy? Maybe not easy, but very attainable after only a couple of meetings. Where else can an average looking 40 year old guy like me have an endless supply of educated, attractive ladies in there early 20's.?

As far as them English speaking part, I have been there 4 times now, and I have not met one person I could no communicate with. I did not know one word of Tagalog.

I have had sex with a total of about 15 girls on my trips. I never mentioned to them that I had had a vasectomy. Only 1 requested that I wear a condom. Of the 14 non- condom recipients, only 2 emailed me later that they were afraid that they where pregnant because they had not started their period. (the were just nervous). No one of them tried to scam me after the fact and I still chat with most of them.
Only been with 2 p4p girs. One wanted the condom, the other I requested it.

Personally I don't think I would want to move there for ever, but I would be very happy if I could afford to work 6 months and vacation 6 months of the year in the Philippines.

[Starchild2012]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_Philippines
PI has a large population of intravenous drug users and Gay groups who are highly susceptible to HIV infection. Not to the mention the number of westerners who frequent the place and like to ride bareback with various women. Also Filipino guys are known for their lack of condom use. It is like Kryptonite to them LOL. I would think HIV is much higher in PI then the government is letting on. That is the Philippine’s way though ignore a problem and act as if it doesn’t exist. BL I would like to see where you get your facts or is this all just speculation?





Its all upside down in India and some of the scared faces of would be mongers, who were amazed that i even go to bar girls even with a condom with all the scary stats around.

They have made India a hotspot for other nations to learn, they said India has the highest number of HIV infected people after African continent and they put the figure as 40 million, thats half the population of PH.

They love to scare the people, Indians are very very scared of HIV, folks, used to come and ask me all sort of questions like does kissing spread HIV, does eating on the same utensils spread HIV...they were just amazed how i could go to dance bars and not get scared of HIV.

They have created an environment of scare, that i really felt im the only one taking girls upstairs most of the time back in India....I'm not lying...Just check my post in Indian thread..

I'm not bragging but i have the highest number of post in Indian thread posting bar reviews and i have been doing this since last 12 years going to bars.

They have made millions and millions of dollars scaring people away, they are doing the same in the PH.

USAID is the main culprit here, its a very dangerous organisation, I have worked with these folks indirectly, do not trust them, never donate your blood to any organisation, never take swine flu shots.

Its not the HIV that is the main problem, the real agenda of these folks is really horrible.

People get scared by swine flu, people are not aware why there is fluoride in the toothpaste. Why babies are given more than 10 shots before the age of 5 yet has to face the threat of new diseases all his life.

These things are all connected, HIV is a very small thing for these folks to achieve their agenda. We need to connect all dots and go to the deep to be truly free. HIV will never scare me ever, i have gone through enough back in India.. i have suffered in the name of HIV scare.

[Member #4698]

They have made millions and millions of dollars scaring people away, they are doing the same in the PH.How have they made millions by detering tourism?


never take swine flu shots.Why not?


Its not the HIV that is the main problem, the real agenda of these folks is really horrible.What is their real agenda?


HIV will never scare me ever.It does not scare me either, but the reality of it does alter behavior. No?

I mean before 1988, I never wore a condom. Unfortunately today I do, whenever I go out and play in the p4p world. Don't you?

[Chocha Monger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS_in_the_Philippines
PI has a large population of intravenous drug users and Gay groups who are highly susceptible to HIV infection. Not to the mention the number of westerners who frequent the place and like to ride bareback with various women. Also Filipino guys are known for their lack of condom use. It is like Kryptonite to them LOL. I would think HIV is much higher in PI then the government is letting on. That is the Philippine’s way though ignore a problem and act as if it doesn’t exist. BL I would like to see where you get your facts or is this all just speculation?

With the Philippines being made up of over 7,000 islands and their reputation for poor public services and record keeping any statistics on HIV are likely to be grossly under reported. Impoverished Filipinos out in the provinces are unlikely to spend their few pesos on medical attention and a lot of AIDS cases probably go undiagnosed. When the amount of bar girls and freelancers getting barebacked and then returning infected to their villages is taken into account it becomes quite obvious that the true numbers are much larger than what the government has reported. The government has reasons for under reporting the number of AIDS cases. The Philippines depends heavily on their citizens being able to work overseas as a source of revenue via remittances. Reporting a high incidence of AIDS in PI would scare away foreign employers. The deep involvement of the Catholic Church in PI politics is another reason why the government may want to pretend that the whole AIDS epidemic and the need for the use of condoms do not exist.

[Fiend Devil]

tried out most of the bars on burgos street.

i brought 3 girls from jools back to the hotel one night after jools had closed. we went to jolibee beforehand. i didnt think sex would happen as i had not bought them enough drinks to be released (10 drinks in jools i think to release the girl). but one of them wanted to see my room, and the others joined in. wasnt so sure what was happening but they were all lying on my bed sleeping so i decided to go asleep too. one of them got horny and started trying to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) me at that stage, the others joined in. it was pitch dark in my room which was funny as hell. all i kept hearing was 'im waiting baby, leave her alone' and stuff like that. really funny girls.

another nigth i brought back a 22 year old milf with a thick body from pussycats. she was a gro there. she was dd at least on the rack. amazing session with her.

then la cafe. my favourite bar in the world right now. me and my colleague went to la cafe about 15 times in 3 weeks. i honestly think the waitress thought we were alcoholics. bottle of vodka and jd everynight without fail between 2 of us. got to know many of the girls there. my favourite being a girl who hangs about upstairs, looks like a chinese. her body was incredible. so small, cute. just a little fuck toy.

one of the waitress upstairs took a big shine to me. one of the other waitresses told me she was really jealous one night so i persued to see what was going on. anyways this waitress is really shy. working in lacafe for 2 weks only. i got her to come to tgi fridays after 2 nights talking to her. i worked hard to make it look like i am not a complete animal. luckily she never saw me going with girls previously. no sex happened, have a feeling she's a virgin. i'm still chatting to her, getting to know her. it could be the one, but probably not :)

didnt get a chance to visit edsa yet, have to check it out next.

[FreebieFan]

The deep involvement of the Catholic Church in PI politics is another reason why the government may want to pretend that the whole AIDS epidemic and the need for the use of condoms do not exist.The Church has a huge amount to answer for

1. It denies its "flock" the chance to learn about birth control thereby ensuring the population ever increases.

2. It denies its people the means to stop HIV by not actively discouraging condom useage at the pulpit.

3. Its a huge landowner and yet claims povery at every step.

4. Every Presidential candidate needs its endorsement.

Remove the influence of the Church and the country would stand a chance!

Yeah never talk about politics and religion I know. But every time I visit Phils I feel so sorry that the people are gettting screwed by the Church.

[Cunning Stunt]

I mean before 1988, I never wore a condom. Unfortunately today I do, whenever I go out and play in the p4p world. Don't you?

They were the glory days. Remember my cherry trip to LOS in about ’85. Like a kid in a candy factory, I must have screwed 20 different girls in about 2 weeks and not a condom in sight (don’t think that I even packed any!). When I got home I thought it prudent to go for STD checks which were all clear although I did get a solid bollocking from the dick doctor for my stupid behaviour.

Same applied to my first trip to the Philippines in ’87.

Ah..how things has changed. I actually remember the last time that I had uncovered penetrative sex with a provider. It was in 1990 and was with a cute bf from the Silver Dollar in Cebu.

I read with astonishment and amazement of those mongers who still regularly go bareback with sex workers in SE Asia (or anywhere else in the world). It is not my place to censure them but they sure are braver souls than me. I know our hobby is a risk sport but so is free fall parachuting but I wouldn’t jump out of a fucking plane without a parachute:).

[Dickhead]

The parachute analogy is not a good one. Jump out of a plane without a parachute, die immediately (unless you are still on the tarmac of course). Fuck a hooker bareback, might die at some later date, or nothing might happen. Also there are not a lot of religious fucks and pharmaceutical company fucks and various other fucks with a vested interest in telling you not to jump out of a plane without a parachute.

[FreebieFan]

They were the glory days. Remember my cherry trip to LOS in about '85. Like a kid in a candy factory, I must have screwed 20 different girls in about 2 weeks and not a condom in sight (don't think that I even packed any!). When I got home I thought it prudent to go for STD checks which were all clear although I did get a solid bollocking from the dick doctor for my stupid behaviour.Yeah think we've all been there. Used to live in Saudi in 1985 and would often get to BKK for uncovered weekend jollies, with barely a thought for protection.

And yes I have also recalled barfining from Silver Dollar but that was definately a moment to "cover up "

In about 1990 had my Angeles cherry trip. Was very worried when I got back and took the various tests. Hate that waiting for the "results envelope".

[Starchild2012]

How have they made millions by detering tourism?

Why not?

What is their real agenda?

It does not scare me either, but the reality of it does alter behavior. No?

I mean before 1988, I never wore a condom. Unfortunately today I do, whenever I go out and play in the p4p world. Don't you?

We have to understand how UDAID and greepeace and other NGO's work, I have worked with the above NGO's ( non government organisation) in India when i left college.

Their whole eco-system depends upon numbers, they won't exist, if numbers are low, they need to create a panic, a shock therapy to the region they go in.

They have to show number's to get aid from US government, bill and melinda, WHO and UN. Many of the NGO's in India were closed a couple of years back, when the story broke out how these NGO's cooked the numbers and got millions of dollars in aid for HIV prevention.

On top that, they do little work to even address the problem. I'm from a third world country, i have worked with these NGO's directly and indirectly, Im from India, which these folks says has the highest number of HIV cases outside africa.

and i have visited most bars in Mumbai than any other folks in ISG and my post confirms it, not to brag at all, but to point out that, i have to take this to the heart and point out the cheats that promote HIV scare to get more funding.

Here, many folks are relying on media which we know is biased and controlled by corporation...im the ground guy, got ground information on how these NGO's work. For years, these guys were boxed that Filipinos do not use condom often and yet they have low HIV infection than other countries combined with truck load of immigrants that come and go out of high infected areas.

They are running out of options in India and they could not find a better corrupt government than PH one, they pick and choose the place, only third world with more corruption so that they can thrive on it.

They are not concerned about how it might impact tourism, not at all, they are global, they dont care about a specific place.

We need to understand that.... they are money mongers :), they sniff from place to place and dump there scary shit and take money. They will care less if tommarrow pH is sunk into the ocean... all they want is money and what better way to get more donation than in the name of HIV.

It just fumbles me that suddenly out of no where, these news reports are coming that HIV is high in PH, exactly what they did 12 years ago in India, people were stoned to death in India by falsifying some folks that they have HIV, it was that scary back then.

The reality is HIV was created in the lab, that is the reason some people in different regions get more infected than others. Else, how would anyone explain the Filipino HIV paradox..

Remember swine flu few months back, how they scared the whole world and forced the people to take shots and made millions, why isn't everyone linking that incident to HIV scare tactics.

Their real agenda is vast and complex to control the whole of humanity, its on the borderline of lunacy if i write it here :) We have to connect the dots and be brave.

It is dumping down of humanity, do not take swine flu shots, it contains elements which stops pineal gland expansion.

HIV is a tiny tiny little thing they use to control humanity, people still think here that feminism and womens rights were created by females of the earth ..hehehe..oops hohoho :) if only they see who is behind this game...

They have no idea who is behind flouridisation of our toothpaste, feminist movement, greenpeace, red cross, UN etc

I use condom for protection from many things, HIV is one of them cos they created it, but i don't fear it as they want me to.

PH is the best place to have sex right now without the scare of HIV, may be in 5 years it may not be when the Filipino genes gives away from the lab created virus.

Being a monger in this disease infected world is not an easy thing, but the right info takes us a long way to have blissful sexual experience.

Use protection for HIV and unwanted pregnancy etc...but please do not stop coming to the Ph or visit the bars girls...

[Cunning Stunt]

The reality is HIV was created in the lab, that is the reason some people in different regions get more infected than others. Else, how would anyone explain the Filipino HIV paradox..


Mmmm …its an interesting world you live in BL. Keep taking the tablets;).

I actually thought that the theory was that HIV jumped from monkeys to humans. I remember seeing a sketch in a Ricky Gervais stand-up show, theorizing how this might have happened. It was hilarious.

[Gangles]

There are too many negative posts in this thread.

I guess if you don't like the place, then flick off. But don't bust it like you do.

I hav just had two weeks living in the boonies, and I mean the boonies. Rural, subsistence farming.

Everybody I met there spoke English, except two or three.

I spoke to entire schools of kids, and al spoke English. store keepers, fishermen, farmers.

All spoke English.

As for filipinas, I generally stay away from P4P, except as a backup. I have a number of reguklar gf. None have asked for money. All would marry me in an instant. It did not take lots of effort before we were intimate. In fact, in every case I can remember, it was the woman who stripped off and was ready to go.

Howevr, I am interested in more mature women, late 20's, to mid 30's, who know what they want, and go for it.

I am not in to convincing a 19 year old that it is in her best interest to jump into the pit with me. But again, with the few younger ones that I have been involved with, there was never a need to wine and dine them first. I just assumed that they would sleep with me, and they did. With one very memorable exception, a super sticky sweet virgin in Cebu. But that is another story.

G

[FreebieFan]

I fly a reasonable amount to Philippines and one aspect that I continue to see is that as soon as Filipinos get in their airline seat, stow their baggage etc. They put their shades on.

Doesn't matter if young, old, male female, if window shades up or down. They all sit there with shades on. Looks quite strange butt maybe thats just my way of thinking LOL

[Starchild2012]

Mmmm …its an interesting world you live in BL. Keep taking the tablets;).

I actually thought that the theory was that HIV jumped from monkeys to humans. I remember seeing a sketch in a Ricky Gervais stand-up show, theorizing how this might have happened. It was hilarious.

:) Its a matter of convenience for the government to say HIV jumped from monkeys to man just like swine flu jumped from pigs to man.

Which is infact true but how did monkey got that virus in the first place and most of all, why aren't all monkeys in Africa dead by now ? monkeys never wear condoms, monkeys are not dying of AIDS left and right, but the government theory would have you believe that, after transferring men the virus, they somehow got the immune system strengthened.

Monkeys are not in the brink of extinction like polar bear, why aren't all the monkeys were killed in Africa just like they proposed and did in many cases to cull millions of pigs in mexico? Whole villages and small towns in Africa died of AIDS yet monkeys somehow are still roaming free in Africa.

This site is a must read for all mongers to see through the veil of government lies.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/

Talking of conspiracy here a pic that sums it up :)

[Robbaf]

The Church has a huge amount to answer for

1. It denies its "flock" the chance to learn about birth control thereby ensuring the population ever increases.

2. It denies its people the means to stop HIV by not actively discouraging condom useage at the pulpit.

3. Its a huge landowner and yet claims povery at every step.

4. Every Presidential candidate needs its endorsement.

Remove the influence of the Church and the country would stand a chance!

Yeah never talk about politics and religion I know. But every time I visit Phils I feel so sorry that the people are gettting screwed by the Church.Excellent post FF.

[GoodEnough]

and let's not forget that through its constant solicitation of contributions, it also bleeds poor people even drier. however, with all of the sins of the church rectified tomorrow, the legion of problems besetting this failed country would barely be alleviated.

unless and until there's a viable alternative to the thinly-disguised feudal system that systematically [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) the country, and unless and until the massive and pervasive corruption that characterizes governments at all levels somehow dissipates, the place will remain hopeless, with or without the church. this is a place ruled by political dynasties, a place with little or no rule of law, and a place where the ruling clans do what they please with impunity. at the national level, things ain't gonna get any better very soon.

as i think i've said multiple times already, the only way to maintain a satisfying lifestyle here is to take the view that you're not ever going to change anything, and that despite the massive problems, it's possible to have a very nice life at a cost well below that of the west.

ge

[Cunning Stunt]

Which is infact true but how did monkey got that virus in the first place and most of all, why aren't all monkeys in Africa dead by now ?

But there is a monkey form of HIV. It is called Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) and is much older than HIV. One theory (there are many) is that the virus made the species jump via the butchering and consumption of monkey meat in West Africa. Another theory is that the virus was the result of live polio vaccine trials held in the late 50’s. The vaccine was first cultivated in living tissue which were liver cells taken from chimps infected with SIV. Of course it could have been Ricky Gervais’s scenario of a man getting too familiar with his pet chimp.

And then we have the conspiracy theories …….:eek:

[Cunning Stunt]

The big problems in The Philippines are the three C’s, namely Church, Corruption and Cronyism. All 3 deeply pervade the Pinoy psyche and affect their lives on a day to day basis. All three are in place to ensure that the average Filipino remains a poor, malleable and docile cypher to the will of the ruling class and make no mistake that there is a well defined ruling class in the country. This is the feudal system referred to by GE.

The systematic practice of nepotism ensures that all the important jobs (particularly in government) go to those with the right sort of connections. There is no meritocracy here. It is not what you know but who you know that is the important thing. The ultimate form of corruption it also ensures that often inferior minds end up in the top jobs which adds further to the cycle of degeneration.

For this reason it is important for a foreigner (particularly those wishing to run a business) to make as many acquaintances and connections, amongst the business and local government communities, as possible. These are often invaluable aids in smoothing the wheels of bureaucracy and opening doors. My own minor connections have been very useful to me in the past but oddly enough, it is my teenage son who has the really powerful contacts. Through his education at a top Manila school he has many close friends amongst the elite. His best friend has a surname that most long term Philippine expat residents would immediately recognize and another friend is a member of the top acting dynasties in the country. He tells me that when he goes clubbing with his mates to The Fort, they usually get VIP passes. He also jokes that if I upset him he could probably get me thrown out of the country which isn’t so funny as, knowing the way things work here, it is quite possibly true!

The sad truth of the Philippines is that most of the population are poor and will always be poor and this is exactly the way that the powers-that-be want it to remain.

[Chocha Monger]

The sad truth of the Philippines is that most of the population are poor and will always be poor and this is exactly the way that the powers-that-be want it to remain.
Well, not only the powers that be. There are also many others who like to make sure that Filipinas have no other choice but to take it once in the pussy and twice in the ass after choking on some nuts.

[X Man]

Catholicism exists in many countries and it doesn't mean the country is poor. Although I agree that the birth and other policies of the Catholic church contribute to hardships in the country, I find it hard to accept that the Catholic church wants the average Filipino to "remain poor".

I mostly agree with everything else that you've written.

X




All three are in place to ensure that the average Filipino remains a poor, malleable and docile cypher to the will of the ruling class and make no mistake that there is a well defined ruling class in the country. This is the feudal system referred to by GE.

[ThatGuy865]

Catholicism exists in many countries and it doesn't mean the country is poor. Although I agree that the birth and other policies of the Catholic church contribute to hardships in the country, I find it hard to accept that the Catholic church wants the average Filipino to "remain poor".

XX,

Not to be argumentative. But it is much easier to control/influence a population when the majority of its people are poor. Its the poor who have to turn to the church and beliefs for relief. The more affluent a population becomes the less dependent they are upon the church. Along with making the church more accountable for its actions.

Its only in the wealther countries where the church has been taken to task for its priest being pedaphiles, the issue of gay rights, Priest allowed to marry. You have not heard of any of these issues in the poorer predominate catholic countries like PI, Mexico. Why do you think that is.

Maybe its just the churches policies in already economically depressed society which help to keep them down. Such as the advocation of "no birth control" which only leads to over population, which in turn, makes it harder for a country to prosper.

[Cunning Stunt]

But it is much easier to control/influence a population when the majority of its people are poor. Its the poor who have to turn to the church and beliefs for relief. The more affluent a population becomes the less dependent they are upon the church. Along with making the church more accountable for its actions.


Couldn’t have put it better myself! If The Philippines were a wealthier country, the invidious, reactionary influences of the Church would be tangentially lessened. So in order to maintain its power base, the Catholic Church here benefits from and have a vested interest in maintaining the poverty of the people and their anti-birth control policies serve nicely as a tool for ensuring that. A wild over-simplification maybe, and obviously not stated policy but it is a fact that the Church remains the most powerful non-governmental institute in this country and wishes to remain so, whereas in wealthier Catholic countries the influence of the church has declined markedly and it has very little political clout.

[Dickhead]

There is a very high positive correlation between the level of influence of the Catholic Church and the level of poverty in a country. The more Catholic, the more poor. Check it out for yourselves. Nominally Catholic countries such as Spain, Italy, and Argentina have relatively less poverty and relatively lower birth rates whereas countries with higher rates of church attendance such as Mexico, The Philippines, and Peru have higher poverty rates, by far.

Go to the main cathedral in Bogota and ponder the juxtaposition of all the gold inside the church and all the beggars outside of it. That will give a very clear picture.

[Soapy Smith]

So in order to maintain its power base, the Catholic Church here benefits from and have a vested interest in maintaining the poverty of the people and their anti-birth control policies serve nicely as a tool for ensuring that. it is a fact that the Church remains the most powerful non-governmental institute in this country and wishes to remain so, whereas in wealthier Catholic countries the influence of the church has declined markedly and it has very little political clout.

I've heard a few outspoken Philippine Catholics point out that, despite the Church's prohibition on contraception, wealthy Philippine Catholics have two or three children per couple, while poor Filipinos end up with six or eight. Obviously the well-to-do know something that the poor do not. I suspect that something is women's literacy and educational attainment. Educated women know you don't get pregnant from eating watermelon seeds, and they also figure out how to make compromises with strict Catholic doctrine. On the other hand, lack of education and subservience to Church doctrine also fuel the market of sexually attractive young Pinays who market their wares to mongering Westerners.

Interestingly, on more than one occasion I've had a Saturday night long-timer ask to leave to go to early mass -- with promises to return. I hadn't paid yet, and pointed this out. No problem. They went and returned and threw me a morning waker-upper pop. In one instance I went with the girl to the Malate Church, fondled her during the 4 am mass and in the return Jeepney ride, and then jumped back aboard the more than willing lass as soon as we were back in the hotel room.

[Hairy Wonder]

I've heard a few outspoken Philippine Catholics point out that, despite the Church's prohibition on contraception, wealthy Philippine Catholics have two or three children per couple, while poor Filipinos end up with six or eight. Obviously the well-to-do know something that the poor do not.

Could it be the fact that by the time the expensive wife is having her 3rd kid, the devoted hubby has begun shagging many of those sexy, young, poor girls?

After divorcing my wife, I have decided that it is much better to chase after the 18 to 25 year old girls, rather than the old hens my own age. The young ones are more willing to give up the pussy without bitching at you to do household chores!

Enough debate about politics and religion. Isn't the point of this board to discuss pussy? ;)

Enjoy the chase (and even more the catch)!
HW

[Starchild2012]

But there is a monkey form of HIV. It is called Simian Immunodeficiency Virus (SIV) and is much older than HIV. One theory (there are many) is that the virus made the species jump via the butchering and consumption of monkey meat in West Africa. Another theory is that the virus was the result of live polio vaccine trials held in the late 50’s. The vaccine was first cultivated in living tissue which were liver cells taken from chimps infected with SIV. Of course it could have been Ricky Gervais’s scenario of a man getting too familiar with his pet chimp.

And then we have the conspiracy theories …….:eek:


Don't be surprised before 2012 the government comes up with a full proof cure for HIV and would tell everyone in the world to take the shot like polio etc. lets settle it that way if its a conspiracy or a government fact :)

[Nolz7]

o the Malate Church, fondled her during the 4 am mass and in the return Jeepney ride, and then jumped back aboard the more than willing lass as soon as we were back in the hotel room.Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.

[Jambo]

Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.

Its the "Mass for Runners"

[Ajacobson]

The big problems in The Philippines are the three C's, namely Church, Corruption and Cronyism. All 3 deeply pervade the Pinoy psyche and affect their lives on a day to day basis [. ]Corruption is rooted so deeply in this country that even the institutions of the church are corrupt. Their political important endorsement is up for sale as well, explaining their astonishing swings of opinion when taking sides during the times of uprising over the last decades. Only in the Philippines you can bribe an association of nuns. And even more amazingly it will make a difference with the masses in the streets when those corrupt nuns declare their public support for whatever.


[. ] It is not what you know but who you know that is the important thing. The ultimate form of corruption it also ensures that often inferior minds end up in the top jobs which adds further to the cycle of degeneration. [. ] He also jokes that if I upset him he could probably get me thrown out of the country which isn't so funny as, knowing the way things work here, it is quite possibly true! [. ]Things like the latter are very well possible, although last time I witnessed something alike was during the time of the late strongman, when power was still true power. You don't have to believe a word of a random guy on the net, however in case you want to hear it. I'm deeply entrenched in the most upscale elite circles of the Philippines since more than 25 years, capitalizing on it businesswise since about 12. While cronyism and connections are indeed indispensable for business success there is a deep misunderstanding about the process not only among foreigners but among a lot of the locals as well. Knowing "the man" is one part, but even in the Philippines for a successful project at some point somebody has to do some actual work, and that's where it is usually severely lacking. I can recall odysseys that started sitting together with a Cabinet Member, him bullishly calling an important Senator who will enthusiastically take care of the stubborn Mayor. And there it goes in circles and leads nowhere. The amount of incompetence of many politicians and business elite heirs to do anything beyond a phone call even (and especially) in their own areas of influence is indeed mind-boggling. There are only a few great exceptions.

The layer of Filipino "connection parasites" or "commissioners" below that is even worse. The people that bring you to people that is. Many of them carry the names of influential families themselves but have neither power nor funds of their own (these are vast families after all) and believe merely arranging a meeting with the guy that is supposed to be in charge entitles them to a 15% kickback like the big shots. The belief of getting rich with a single phone call (or a few at most) is widespread and people wonder why it hasn't worked out so far despite them "knowing someone" or multiple someones.

And at last people grossly overestimate their own capabilities and influence on decision makers. Yep, even if it's true that this Senator owes his election to that Filipino and has been his personal best friend ever since, he may still not be following that guy's persuasions. When you find out you usually have already wasted a lot of time, maybe worse. You'll only know what your connections are worth once you call them in.

And then sometimes it miraculously just works. That's life over there.

[Timber Tree]

Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.


In other places it is even 3am mass. It is a tradition when Christmas is nearning (Cultural). It is called "Simbang Gabi". Some people have this notion that if they go to Mass it is good luck, or there wish would come true.

[Member #3428]

Did you just write 4AM mass as in Catholic church mass? Pardon my ignorance but I'm wondering why would a church do a such an early even when people are suppose to be in bed snoozing away.

My GF (if you call a 19 year old you fuck silly a GF) does it and if she misses a day she is scared as all hell. As posted if they hit every mass then they are supposed to have good luck and her Christmas Wish will come true. She's done this every year that she can remember.

What sucks is when she leaves my bed to go to this fucking mass. She atleast is well trained enough to drain me once before going and after returning. But like typical Filipina style she is in fear of the church but has no issue on going without condom and is very into bondage and open for bisexuality... anything to keep a "man" so go figure.

Philippines is a strange place to try to figure out atleast for me.

[X Man]

Some very good points made about the Catholic church.

I would think that rising incomes, to a certain extent, would in fact be a blessing for the church -- more donations. In fact, I would not be surprised if much of the money going to the Vatican is coming from the developed world.

X

[Member #3428]

In fact, I would not be surprised if much of the money going to the Vatican is coming from the developed world.

Developed or underdeveloped?

My work takes me to many poor and crime infested areas but there is one constant... the Temples, mosques, or Churches (depending on the location) sure as shit got cash. Even in my home country the one with the biggest power is the religion not the govt (but it's not catholic). I see more funds flowing freely to religion in poor countries then I do see in developed ares but yes I spend most my time in under developed countries.

The poor seem to think of religion as eternal salvation, life insurance, a type of betting (paying / praying / donating for better lives etc...).

[Jambo]

Am getting a lot of requests from my little chat mates for "what is my Christmas gift?". My response that "i can't offer anything now, but when I see you I will bring you something nice" doesn't go over well. A couple of girls have logged off right after I say that lol. You know, its always I am hungry now...I can't think of later.

Actually I wouldn't mind throwing some girls $5 or so for their chat time, but I am not going to spend the dough for a Western Union for that. Yahoo really should work out some micro payments thing.

One thing I can do is use Chikka and send some load to their cell phone.

[Warbucks]

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[Pekkakoo]

What is the law in the Philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? Is it illegal for a foreigner? What is the minimum age? I have a girl I know from a web site and just thinking that if I go see her and something might happen. I am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.

[Warbucks]

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[Robsy]

What is the law in the Philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? Is it illegal for a foreigner? What is the minimum age? I have a girl I know from a web site and just thinking that if I go see her and something might happen. I am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.There is no way you should contemplate engaging in any form of sexual activity with anyone under the age of 18. Prisons in the Philippines are not nice places and thats where you might conceivably be heading. Don't be foolish , there wont be friendly faces digging you out of holes you create for yourself so dont go there.

[Manta Ray]

I've been living in PI (MNL) for only a few months now, so still on a steep learning curve...therefore I could use a few expert minds to answer a couple of questions:

Situational Question
Was bar hopping on Burgos the other nite with a couple mates and ended up in Dimples. As soon as I walk in, I spot a lovely lass dancing, who also spots me. Eyes meet, smiles... before I know it she is at my side. I buy her a few drinks, we chat, she's a total sweetie, and is very, very friendly. Lots of making out, fondling, whispering of sweet nothings, etc. At one point she excuses herself to go to the loo, and when she comes back she stuffs a crumpled bit of tissue in my hand, and whispers, 'don't tell mama-san, not allowed'. It's her phone number. So later, after I go home (alone), I give a little 'nice to meet u. u are sweet, I want 2 c u again' text. Since then, many texts back and forth, with her texting me every day, telling me 'i really want to make luv to u, u are so nice guy, pls can i c u on thurs my day off'. So, we have a plan for her to come over to my place on thurs. Now, here's the question: Given the above... do I pay her, and if so how much? I know she's saving me a big bar fine, so I have no problem paying her (also it's just before x-mas and extra money would definitely be useful for these gals), but not exactly sure if she is expecting to be paid. I was thinking of discreetly putting 2000 or 3000p in her bag and telling her that it's to buy a few presents for her family. Any thoughts?

Lexical Question
She's very direct in her texts and a few times she has said she's very horny coz she hasnt had sex in two weeks. She also said, 'i like hard fucking, are u a hard fucker?' So, my question: Does that mean simply and generically, 'I hope you will give me a good pounding', or is 'hard fucker' some kind of filipina code for something more specific?

Thanks lads!

Mantaray

[Warbucks]

I've been living in PI (MNL) for only a few months now, so still on a steep learning curve...therefore I could use a few expert minds to answer a couple of questions:

Situational Question
Was bar hopping on Burgos the other nite with a couple mates and ended up in Dimples. As soon as I walk in, I spot a lovely lass dancing, who also spots me. Eyes meet, smiles... before I know it she is at my side. I buy her a few drinks, we chat, she's a total sweetie, and is very, very friendly. Lots of making out, fondling, whispering of sweet nothings, etc. At one point she excuses herself to go to the loo, and when she comes back she stuffs a crumpled bit of tissue in my hand, and whispers, 'don't tell mama-san, not allowed'. It's her phone number. So later, after I go home (alone), I give a little 'nice to meet u. u are sweet, I want 2 c u again' text. Since then, many texts back and forth, with her texting me every day, telling me 'i really want to make luv to u, u are so nice guy, pls can i c u on thurs my day off'. So, we have a plan for her to come over to my place on thurs. Now, here's the question: Given the above... do I pay her, and if so how much? I know she's saving me a big bar fine, so I have no problem paying her (also it's just before x-mas and extra money would definitely be useful for these gals), but not exactly sure if she is expecting to be paid. I was thinking of discreetly putting 2000 or 3000p in her bag and telling her that it's to buy a few presents for her family. Any thoughts?

Lexical Question
She's very direct in her texts and a few times she has said she's very horny coz she hasnt had sex in two weeks. She also said, 'i like hard fucking, are u a hard fucker?' So, my question: Does that mean simply and generically, 'I hope you will give me a good pounding', or is 'hard fucker' some kind of filipina code for something more specific?

Thanks lads!

Mantaray

Manta not a long term expat but coming up on two years. Anyway man working girl or not I always give them money. That money I can spend in one or two nights just on drinks goes a long way. It does nothing to improve their lives in the long run but in the short… things can be bought, visits to doc, meds, and gifts for themselves or relatives that previously maybe wasn't possible.

I recently touched the previously untouched cervix of young Manila office worker. She has a good family a good job etc but I still left her with a small fortune. (More than Her monthly salary) while that money was chump change to me it went a long way with her in more ways than one.


PS: If a bar girl tells you she wants a hard fucking then man that’s exactly what it means. Touch her cervix with reckless abandon.

[Member #3428]

Any thoughts?

I'm a decent spender and even I think Burgos is terribly expensive IMHO, overpriced and the girls know this. The girls I know try to collect as many "regular customers" as they can to hit up "when horny" or in other terms "when need peso" etc... She wants you as a regular, save you money for not paying bar fine and save you the drink pricing. That's how I view it.

As such many girls give you their numbers and take days off, see you on their days off, see you before / after work, etc... Yes you pay them even if they don't want it or ask for it. Give her 3 - 4 K IMHO but I treat girls nice. Some bars let the girls have off when their "boy friends" come into town if they do not live there without penalty. My regulars I pay more then that but they give me 24 hours around the clock and do a lot for me.

I do have some girls that take nothing more then taxi fare. But it is up to them, the cash is on the table for them to pick up or leave it. Some take for their kids some take for their family and some leave it. Some take it and buy me things :D Others just take the cash as it is a transaction. But they are saving me bar fines and are on call / demand when I want them etc...

COLLECT as many numbers from the pro's as you can as they come in handy... When you can't get a freebie, need an immediate fix at 4 am or such there is nothing better then having some professional's on demand. You never know when your GF will have funeral or family obligations that you can't get to her...

[ThatGuy865]

What is the law in the Philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? Is it illegal for a foreigner? What is the minimum age? I have a girl I know from a web site and just thinking that if I go see her and something might happen. I am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.If you are an American citizen then it doesn't matter what the law is in the other country. The USA LAW regarding sex with persons under 18 extends the entire world. So if you are caught anywhere on this earth with a girl under 18 and are reported to the U. S and return to the states where you can be prosecuted. Period.

But anyway. Even in the Philippines, its against the law for a foreigner to have sex with a women under 18.

[X Man]

sigh....

Hmmm, you have at least three people with over 1000 posts criticizing your style. Maybe you should reflect on what you are writing.

Or maybe you just hate middle-aged ("old") white guys! If you don't like the posts, stop fkg reading them. X


Are you a racist?

If you don't like my post stop fucking reading them.

[Admin]

what is the law in the philippines on having sex with someone under 18 years of age? is it illegal for a foreigner? what is the minimum age? i have a girl i know from a web site and just thinking that if i go see her and something might happen. i am myself in my 30s and very careful in these matters.=============================================

hi pekkakoo,

the age of consent is irrelevant to you as it is only the age in which they can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with her teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

what you need to focus on is the age of majority, which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

please exercise caution.

thanks,

jackson

[Pekkakoo]

hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial? of course it is another thing how you define a commercial relationship, if you buy your girl meals someone could think you have paid for sex even if it is not 100% true.

i was just thinking this hypothetically since one girl sent me a message from dia saying that she is really only 16 but she of course had to put an age of at least 18 on dia website to allow her to register.

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.


=============================================

hi pekkakoo,

the age of consent is irrelevant to you as it is only the age in which they can participate in consensual, non-commercial sex with her teen-age boyfriend without said teen-age boyfriend being charged with statutory [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

what you need to focus on is the age of majority, which among other things is the age in which they can vote, get married, enlist in the military, and participate in commercial sex activities.

please exercise caution.

thanks,

jackson

[Robbaf]

hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial? of course it is another thing how you define a commercial relationship, if you buy your girl meals someone could think you have paid for sex even if it is not 100% true.

i was just thinking this hypothetically since one girl sent me a message from dia saying that she is really only 16 but she of course had to put an age of at least 18 on dia website to allow her to register.

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.
the answer is still don't do it period. article from the philippines star yesterday.

manila, philippines - an american national was found with two 13-year-old girls in his car when he was apprehended after leading police officers on a car chase from sta. mesa, manila to san juan city yesterday morning.

senior police officer 1 paulino laderas, po3 lyndon casauay and po1 raul de claro reportedly observed a black x-trail van (zmy-692) beat the red light at the corner of c.m. recto and legarda streets and almost caused a collision among other cars.

laderas and his men signaled the van to stop, but the driver sped off, triggering a car chase that ended at the corner of corda and cortiver streets in san juan city.

when he was apprehended, glen odom, 48, an american call center manager, failed to produce his driver’s license.

district mobile patrol unit chief superintendent ferdinand quirante said two girls from tondo, manila, not related to odom, were allegedly found inside his vehicle.

the girls told police odom invited them for a ride and promised to give them christmas presents, quirante said.

the girls were sent to the women’s and children’s desk of the manila police district for debriefing.

“the investigation will determine whether the girls were enticed for sexual favors. but definitely there is something sinister with the suspect’s plan against the girls,” quirante said.

odom reportedly opted to remain silent on the accusations against him in the absence of a lawyer. initial charges of reckless driving, driving without a license and violation of the child abuse act were filed against him.

http://www.philstar.com/article.aspx?articleid=535014&publicationsubcategoryid=65

[Yella Man]

hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial?

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.

if you want to see finland again after your visit, stay away from the jail-bait! this isn't the country for that. even if you do have consensual sex with her (16yr old) and her relatives find out about it, they could convince her to report it as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) just to see what falls out of the money tree. steer way clear pekk!

ym

[FreebieFan]

hi,

should i interpret it that there is no way it could be legal to have sex with a 16 year old even if it is not commercial? of course it is another thing how you define a commercial relationship, if you buy your girl meals someone could think you have paid for sex even if it is not 100% true.

i was just thinking this hypothetically since one girl sent me a message from dia saying that she is really only 16 but she of course had to put an age of at least 18 on dia website to allow her to register.

and in my home country in finland the minimum age is 16 so there it would be no problem for me. i would not be technically breaking any law unless i paid an **** girl.theres this whole grey area of whats known as "compensated dating" that is big in japan and certainly now in hong kong and singapore. it doesn't actually mean being paid for sex, it means being paid for your time (generally an older with a younger girl who might or might not be under 18) which might or might not include sex. now you know why its "grey".

but the laws the law. 18 and over in phils!

[Ben2]

if you want to see finland again after your visit, stay away from the jail-bait! this isn't the country for that. even if you do have consentual sex with her (16yr old) and her relatives find out about it, they could convince her to report it as [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) just to see what falls out of the money tree. steer way clear pekk!

ym

i think that the majority of father's who have daughter's around this age...would put an azz whipping on the idiot adult age person who wants to screw their daughter or did so. something wrong in my opinion with a guy who needs to get his rocks off messing with youngsters...more than a screw loose for sure! end up in jail for it and all the bubba's will be doing you!

[Yella Man]

I think that the majority of father's who have daughter's around this age...would put an azz whipping on the idiot adult age person who wants to screw their daughter or did so. Something wrong in my opinion with a guy who needs to get his rocks off messing with youngsters...more than a screw loose for sure! End up in jail for it and all the Bubba's will be doing you!

Not so much in the Philippines. Girls aren't valued there the same way they are in western cultures. Fathers and brothers often try to push their daughters and sisters off on foriegners for monetary gain.

YM

[Ben2]

Not so much in the Philippines. Girls aren't valued there the same way they are in western cultures. Fathers and brothers often try to push their daughters and sisters off on foriegners for monetary gain.

YM

Interesting....culture.

[Wizard561]

Not so much in the Philippines. Girls aren't valued there the same way they are in western cultures. Fathers and brothers often try to push their daughters and sisters off on foriegners for monetary gain.

YM

Interesting concept but its very simplistic.

It would be more correct to see their daughters and sisters as an commodity, one of the few commodities that foreigners want and you would offer this commodity to the highest bidder, which would be a foreigner.

Lots of cultures sell off their young girls for a dowry including western cultures in the past, third world countries are just a few centuries behind the first world in this respect.

Its like the old joke a 18 year old girl goes to her parents and says mom and dad I am pregnant. the father is mad who is it I will kill him.
the girl says he will be here in an hour

an hour passes and a RR pulls up the front an older gent gets out goes in the house, they all sit down the rich older guy says to the parents if your daughter has a boy he will get 2 factories, 2 apartment blocks and a full scholorship to the best university, if she has a daughter she will get 2 malls 2 apartment blocks and a full scholorship to the best universities, but if your daughter has a miscarrige.

the father jumps up and cuts him off and says they you will fuck my daughter again.

this has nothing to do with Philippines I would expect the same reaction from a family from a trailer park or the projects that is being courted by someone that has lots of money, they would push her towards them in the US or the UK, its about getting the best price outcome from your only asset.

Wizard

[Manta Ray]

many thanks to t-ktv and wb for your wise counsel regarding my situational and lexical queries.

my dimples gal did come over to my place yesterday afternoon, arriving right on time, and, as promised, extremely horny. within 2 minutes of getting inside my apartment she had me shuffling backward toward my bed--where we stayed for three hours, only allowing ourselves to be interrupted by a [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and snack break, followed by another hour of similarly sweaty coupling. she only left when i had to get myself ready for a christmas party.

as she was getting dressed, i discreetly, but in her view, slipped 3,000 pesos into her bag and told her it was for her to buy christmas presents for her family. she seemed genuinely pleased with that and gave me a warm hug in appreciation.

the bonus came when, as we were saying our goodbyes, she told me that she wants to see me again in january, and asked if she could bring her friend from the bar next time. she said 'don't worry, i'm not jealous girl, you can fuck her too, and i love to lick her pussy when you fuck my pussy.' mmmmm, i'm already looking forward to the new year!

warm wishes for a peaceful and pleasant holiday season to all!

mantaray

[Jan 156]

No need to fly Cebu Pacific, Chris. Tiger Air has a daily flight out of Clark, which is both cheap and reliable. If you wish to travel to/from Manila, Jetstar has a daily service.

Actually, I think CP has improved their website and their international credit card acceptance seems to be much better, The last 2 flight that I booked with them were problem free. Did you enter the full name of the issuing bank and their contact number. I think little details such as these can be the difference between success and failure. Also helps if you are enrolled in the cards security verification scheme (i.e verified by visa).

The thing that I have against CP is the godawful timing of most of their international flights. They must be the preferred airline for vampires:).


Thanks for all the support. I must be getting a wuss in my old age. I used to just book hotels only when I'd checked the shower was working and book flights the day before when I was equally comfortable staying or going.

As thanks for info, and in case it's helpful to anyone else -

I bought Clark to Singapore for £42.91

Alternatives looked at online simultaneously:
CEBU Air £100.71
AIR ASIA (via KL) £90.67 (but takes a lot longer)

Actual costs are hard to determine unil you get to the payment page (standard luggage can cost many times the cost of the flight).

Tiger fly into the Budget terminal of Changi - worth bearing in mind if you have an onward flight.

[KongKing]

For the 2009 Philippines Monger of the Year Award I would like to nominate:

MORTMAN

Apparently he has made 3 visits to the Phils this year and has contributed strongly with his own mongering reports and has provided positive and helpful feedback to others.

Some examples of his reports are:
His detailed escapades eg:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=922294#post922294
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=925493#post925493
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=924566#post924566

His helpful advice eg:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=929854#post929854

And his humour eg:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=923294#post923294
and sometimes humour at his own expense when he dropped his 27 kg suitcase on his erect penis curtailing his activities somewhat! -
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=962365

Any other nominations?
(just keep it positive eh?)

[Nightrider1]

For the 2009 Philippines Monger of the Year Award I would like to nominate:

MORTMAN

Apparently he has made 3 visits to the Phils this year and has contributed strongly with his own mongering reports and has provided positive and helpful feedback to others.

Some examples of his reports are:
His detailed escapades eg:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=922294#post922294
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=925493#post925493
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=924566#post924566

His helpful advice eg:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=929854#post929854

And his humour eg:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=923294#post923294
and sometimes humour at his own expense when he dropped his 27 kg suitcase on his erect penis curtailing his activities somewhat! -
http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=962365

Any other nominations?
(just keep it positive eh?)

I second that nomination ..Mortman gives us inteligent and insiteful and valuable information and does it with humor too

[Member #4351]

I third it. He has made many worthwhile posts which have helped me on my trips.

[Chocha Monger]

Nightrider1 posted a story about a half fucked virgin Filipina who promptly went out and got properly fucked even though she was in a relationship where she was being financially sponsored via Western Union remittances. The story touched off a firestorm of controversy on the PI board. No one knew that the popping of a young Pinay's cherry could inflame so much passion. I know for a fact that at least one monger learned from his cautionary tale of love Filipina style. So, without further ado, I cast my vote for Nightrider1.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=906960&postcount=2051

[Warbucks]

I second that nomination ..Mortman gives us inteligent and insiteful and valuable information and does it with humor too
NR1 I vote your post about the half fucked Filipina as post of year.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=906960&postcount=2051

Your post drove the board ape shit (just like my posts but my posts do it for another reason LOL) and I recently had a similar experience with a well educated middle class Filipina but due to

My Real

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=my+real

(Chocha Monger) and your post I was able to correct the problem before someone else corrected it….

Thanks.

[FreebieFan]

The week at work after Christmas is a wonderful " waste of time " week, as we're at work but not much to do, other than back up vids and pics to new hard drives, and to fill the time I started counting this years conquests.

Now no doubt this will start a flurry of posts from other readers/posters about how they fared in 2009.

Scorecard

3 in HK. Two were Indonesian, one was a 2008 repeat, and one was Filipina I met in Manila airport. No need for DIA in HK. Just have to be in clubs with a smile.

5 in Jakarta. Two were 2008 repeats, 3 new.

(two of them came with me on subsequent business trips.)

3 in Bangkok. Yes there are freebies to be had in BKK. One was 23 working in Bangkok, one was 38 working in BKK, and one was 36 from Chiang Mai. Two of these also came on business trips with me.

5 in Malaysia which varied from 24. 35 (two of these being Filipinas)

Had a hard time counting the Manila score but think it was 11 which was accomplished in 7 trips.

They varied from 20 to Apple who was 39 and probably a tad past her ripe date LOL.

So overall a good year and of course all appeared to be free, but they never really are. I seem to have bought lots of chocolate and trashy bikinis and nightdresses most months this year, not contributions to Air Asia and Cebu Pacific.

Theres 2 new ones waiting for me in Bali early in the year, on what will be a business trip and then like Andrew Strauss will be looking to get some more early runs on the board.

[Spider916]

Hi guys,

before my recent trip to manila i chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 usd for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didnt answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and i come straight away...
So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist...

[Razzor]

This is what I warned about a few months ago. If you just have to send her money, never send more than $30 USD. That's enough to get her to Manila. If she is asking for more, tell her she gets it when service is rendered. I whould stay clear at this point, she is abusing us monger now, and she ruined a load of good will that was given to her by WR and I.

RaZZorR


Hi guys,

before my recent trip to manila i chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 usd for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didnt answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and i come straight away.

So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist.

[Wicked Roger]

Hi guys,

before my recent trip to manila i chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 usd for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didnt answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and i come straight away...
So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist...Hi S,

Can you send me your new mobile # as tried to contact you but no joy.

Re N - never sure what happens with her. In the UAE very reliable in the Philippines she is a disaster. She has met a few ISG guys I know as they have contacted me but she has it appears from my recent emails done same to a few guys. best forget her and I advise others do same.

I have text her also asked for an explanation and that she is f**king up her business as she is a great shag but she always denies. So now even I, one of her more regular guys from the UAE, will not bother with her

PM me please.

[LoveVegas]

Hi guys,

Before my recent trip to manila I chatted with nikky of uae fame and we agreed to hook up in manila. Transfered her 100 USD for her travel expanses. She never showed up at the agreed time and didn't answer my sms or calls. A friend texted her saying he wanted to meet her. Her immediate reply was: sure, please send me money for the bus and I come straight away.

So my conclusion is that she is now a fulltime ripoff artist.I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?

No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually sent this gal money? You deserve this then lession learned and I bet you want again.

[Tungsten Chef]

Heading back to Phils in a few weeks. Sources here till me I don't need a Visa now that I'm married. The Philippine Consulate says a marraige license and photos are good enough.

I do not like this new hag we got here as our consulate. To me, she has no time for anyone except her own beloved Philapinos. The man who ran the show before her was a great guy. I went to his house and he did my travel Visa that night. But her..she got no time now. Oh phooey.

Shes the 1 who told my travel agent about the license and pictures. I want to know if any of you guys think this is ok. I just don't trust mrs hag.

[Spider916]

Thank you for your valuable opinion. Now, if you knew who we are talking about, you would know that nikky was for years the best ***** in the uae, much better than your average fields hooker and she came highly recomended from trusted mongers. Just check wr or razzor's photo posts.

With this scam she closed a nice revenue stream that was much larger than my 100usd.

Cheers

[QUOeTE=LoveVegas]I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?
No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually+sent+this+gal+money?+You+deserve+this+then+lession+learned+and+I+bet+you+want+again.[/QUOTE]

[Chocha Monger]

I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?

No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually sent this gal money? You deserve this then lession learned and I bet you want again.
Yes. There are many guys crazy enough to send hoes money. In this case it was just peanuts but guys have sent thousands of dollars to hoes thinking that they would get a juicy piece of fuck meat in return for their trouble. Sometimes it doesn't quite work out how they hoped.

[Ben2]

Yes. There are many guys crazy enough to send hoes money. In this case it was just peanuts but guys have sent thousands of dollars hoes thinking that they would get a juicy piece of fuck meat in return for their trouble. Sometimes it doesn't quite work how they hoped.

I don't want to sound like a broken record...but if anyone is fool enough to send money under these circumstances, he deserves to be ripped off. Either these mongers are desperate, hard up or really freaking ugly and will never score or just ignorant. If she shows up, she get bus/taxi/p4p money after the deed. Not before. And when they insist up front money...I'll send them packing and get another gal or I'll rip the money in half and give them half and the other when done. You can always tape the two halves together and exchange them at the bank....

[Warbucks]

Thank you for your valuable opinion. Now, if you knew who we are talking about, you would know that nikky was for years the best ***** in the uae, much better than your average fields hooker and she came highly recomended from trusted mongers. Just check wr or razzor's photo posts.

With this scam she closed a nice revenue stream that was much larger than my 100usd.

Cheers
I don’t care how highly recommended she was by other mongers the fact remains the woman is a hooker. Now that is not to say all working girls are thieving or dishonest but trust me if you paint them all with this wide brush and keep your guard up… it will save you a lot of headache in the future.

There was a board member on the Dubai thread who lost about $30K to a WG in one night due to theft.

Don’t think it can happen to you? In my old hood we had a saying “Keep playing pussy and you will get fucked.”

Chalk this up to experience. I also learned the hard way in my earlier mongering days....in Dubai.

[Wicked Roger]

Thank you for your valuable opinion. Now, if you knew who we are talking about, you would know that nikky was for years the best ***** in the uae, much better than your average fields hooker and she came highly recomended from trusted mongers. Just check wr or razzor's photo posts.

With this scam she closed a nice revenue stream that was much larger than my 100usd.

Cheers

[QUOeTE=LoveVegas]I'm sorry but is there really people out there crazy enough to do this?
No way this can be true. Have you seen how many girls are on fields ave before? And you actually+sent+this+gal+money?+You+deserve+this+then+lession+learned+and+I+bet+you+want+again.[/QUOTE]

I agree Spider....maybe there should be some comment in the Filipians section as for the life of me (and others) we cannot understand why she did this. So reliable in the UAE, best shag and PSE/GFE all in one. Had some bad karma with death of kid etc but still why she goes back to type when in the Philippines is still a mystery to me at times. And definitely not your average WG...far from it (I still get requests for pictures and question about when she will return to the UAE).

Got your email Spider thanks I had a different number

[The Rooster1]

Today I had a travel agent with about 20 yrs experience specializing in the Phil tell me that it was not a good idea to book a one way ticket to the Phil even with an onward flight to say BKK. The reason she says is that many airlines will not allow you to board in USA without a return ticket back to USA or a ticket to onward country; that even if onward country THAT country might not allow you in without a return/foward following THEIR visa rules to some other country.The only issue with a one way ticket is that immigration may/or may not let you enter without proof that you will leave. As I live in the PI and work abroad every month, I have never been asked once. Only time I had an issue was in Bangkok flying Philippines Air. They wouldn't allow me to board without a return ticket out of Manila.


I really am starting to think the whole idea of paradise in the Phil is a mirage created by filipinas who are desperate to get out of there and has no substance in reality. It is not that cheap, you give up all your rights and the women, except for the hookers and scammers are not that easy.Why are you basing your idea of paradise based on what a filipina is telling you. I am curious to know where you meet all of these "scammers that are not that easy".


About the only advantage I see is that most speak at least Pigin English, so that learning a foreign language is not that an immediate concern. But balance that against the fact that they can talk and scheme right in front of you without you even know what the hell is happening.Thats why there are so many call centers in the Philippines. I don't think anyone will say they speak perfect english, but its better than almost all of the countries I travel to outside of the U. S! And where again are you finding these girls that are scheming you in front of your face? Why are you letting them?


Has anyone here actually married a woman there they met online? I find 95% of them to either be total phoneys with the remainder having the same feminist qualities as American c**nts. I am told that women of any class or character are not very easy to get there as they are looked on as hookers by the native population even seen in the company of a Westerner.Ahhhhh, now it all makes sense. Met online. Get off your turdcutter and get out and meet some people not in a bar and not on an internet site. You might be suprised! Its the same all over this lovely world.


Central America is also looking much better now, even Southern Mexico.I absolutely agree with you 100 percent here and that is YES, please go to Central America or Southern Mexico and don't come back. You have the right to express your opinions, but if I don't like something or someplace, I just don't bother talking about it.

Peace out!

[Blackangst]

Heading back to Phils in a few weeks. Sources here till me I don't need a Visa now that I'm married. The Philippine Consulate says a marraige license and photos are good enough.

I do not like this new hag we got here as our consulate. To me, she has no time for anyone except her own beloved Philapinos. The man who ran the show before her was a great guy. I went to his house and he did my travel Visa that night. But her..she got no time now. Oh phooey.

Shes the 1 who told my travel agent about the license and pictures. I want to know if any of you guys think this is ok. I just don't trust mrs hag.

You absolutely need a visa. Google K3 visa. No visa, no entry into the USA.

[Asian Flava]

I agree Spider. Maybe there should be some comment in the Filipians section as for the life of me (and others) we cannot understand why she did this. So reliable in the UAE, best shag and PSE/GFE all in one. Had some bad karma with death of kid etc but still why she goes back to type when in the Philippines is still a mystery to me at times. And definitely not your average WG. Far from it (I still get requests for pictures and question about when she will return to the UAE).[/QUOTE]I agree with WR. Met Nikki through him in Abu Dhabi and she was a great girl. Super friendly, caring, and just a plain nice all round person. I have often helped her out in the past when she needed some money but she has begun to act very differently since she has been back in the Phils. She has had some terrible experiences (losing a child and a few other close relatives) and her daily life is much harder than any of us can understand. Don't know why she is acting like she is now but she is only hurting herself. WR and myself had been trying to figure out a way to get her to Singapore so I could help her out, but based on recent experience and behaviour by her I don't think I'll risk my money on that. It's too bad. I hope she can get her act together. I'm hoping to get to Phils in next few months but won't hold my breathe on seeing her.

AF

[Cunning Stunt]

I agree Spider....maybe there should be some comment in the Filipians section as for the life of me (and others) we cannot understand why she did this.

Maybe its the insidious effects of so many family members around her all clamoring for dollars.

When I contacted Nikki, she tried the same thing, but as I recall, she only needed $20 to get an overnight bus for the 8 hour trip from her home in Bicol. I told her that I only wanted her ST (only do ST's) and that it was hardly worth her while so that I would see her when next she traveled to Manila to see another customer. Never heard anything more from her.

When (and if) she escapes from the clutches of her extended Filipino family, I imagine she will return to her former nature. Until then she is probably not to be trusted and not worth the effort.

[Puerto La Cruz]

100% absolutely, positively, without a doubt need that K-3 visa to get her in USA. If you start the process now she will have the visa by January 2011 IF she meets the criteria.

[Tungsten Chef]

100% absolutely, positively, without a doubt need that K-3 visa to get her in USA. If you start the process now she will have the visa by January 2011 IF she meets the criteria.no I'm not talking about that. I'm asking if I need a Visa to stay in the Philippines if I'm married. You need a Visa if your staying more than 21 days. The old hag says pictures and marraige license will do. I don't want to go to see this old thing this weekend if I don't have too.

[The Rooster1]

no I'm not talking about that. I'm asking if I need a Visa to stay in the Philippines if I'm married. You need a Visa if your staying more than 21 days. The old hag says pictures and marraige license will do. I don't want to go to see this old thing this weekend if I don't have too.I'm no expert, but my co-worker who is married and has lived in the Phils for 8 years says he has to get a visa. He typically only stays at the most 20 days at a time so hasn't needed it. His wife has contacts in the government and its pretty much just paying the cash for him. I know guys that have stayed up to 1 1/2 years without a visa just paying for extensions. Money is the key. If you want more detailed info, PM me with questions and I will ask him and his wife directly.

[Tungsten Chef]

I'm no expert, but my co-worker who is married and has lived in the Phils for 8 years says he has to get a visa. He typically only stays at the most 20 days at a time so hasn't needed it. His wife has contacts in the government and its pretty much just paying the cash for him. I know guys that have stayed up to 1 1/2 years without a visa just paying for extensions. Money is the key. If you want more detailed info, PM me with questions and I will ask him and his wife directly.Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.

I'm contacting my travel agent again and probably will go see the old hag. The thing is she's doing visa documents bi-weekly. She will be around this weekend but I'll be gone before I can go get the visa 2 weeks later. Now if she says she can it within a week and I can pick it up, hell that would be sweet. Apparently the new consulate isn't well liked. Even her own countrymen have problems with her.

She cost me money last year in regards to the Legal Capacity Certificate I needed to get married. She gave me some paper with a ribbon on it for who knows what that cost me 39$. I also did a marraige search here in vital statistics that was 60$. When I got to Phils it wasn't what they wanted. 100$ wasted off the hop. Sometimes it's a real runaround with these people. They think they know, but in the end they're wrong and the wallet comes out again.

[GregLondon]

Getting a traight answer out of Phils immigration on this subject is difficult, but for what its worth when i asked them about overstay fines in cebu they said that there would be a fine - from memory 1000P for the first 3 days plus I would need to pay the usual cost for arranging a visa extension.


Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.

I'm contacting my travel agent again and probably will go see the old hag. The thing is she's doing visa documents bi-weekly. She will be around this weekend but I'll be gone before I can go get the visa 2 weeks later. Now if she says she can it within a week and I can pick it up, hell that would be sweet. Apparently the new consulate isn't well liked. Even her own countrymen have problems with her.

She cost me money last year in regards to the Legal Capacity Certificate I needed to get married. She gave me some paper with a ribbon on it for who knows what that cost me 39$. I also did a marraige search here in vital statistics that was 60$. When I got to Phils it wasn't what they wanted. 100$ wasted off the hop. Sometimes it's a real runaround with these people. They think they know, but in the end they're wrong and the wallet comes out again.

[Warbucks]

Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.They tried to charge me 3000PHP ($67) for overstaying my Tourist Visa a while back. I was going to pay the fine with no problem when the immigration officer asked was I in military. (I get that a lot in PI) I told him no but I showed him my US Gov ID card and LOA (Letter Of Authorization a paper granting you permission to travel by the US Gov) After that I was promptly released without a fine being paid.

PS: I had overstayed three days.

[Starchild2012]

Just wondering how much they charge for over staying. A lot or not much? Maybe 500p per day? If it's not a lot I'll just pay it but I don't want there to problems that come with it.

I'm contacting my travel agent again and probably will go see the old hag. The thing is she's doing visa documents bi-weekly. She will be around this weekend but I'll be gone before I can go get the visa 2 weeks later. Now if she says she can it within a week and I can pick it up, hell that would be sweet. Apparently the new consulate isn't well liked. Even her own countrymen have problems with her.

She cost me money last year in regards to the Legal Capacity Certificate I needed to get married. She gave me some paper with a ribbon on it for who knows what that cost me 39$. I also did a marraige search here in vital statistics that was 60$. When I got to Phils it wasn't what they wanted. 100$ wasted off the hop. Sometimes it's a real runaround with these people. They think they know, but in the end they're wrong and the wallet comes out again.Its the same, if you overstay for 2 days or 2 months. They charge 3500 to 4000 pesos. I have done it couple of times. PH immigration is cool. Just make sure. You go to a lady immigration officer for all your needs when it comes to visa issues.

Sometime you don't even have to pay as warbucks mentioned. No worries.

[Huis Wijn]

I can remember that an extension of your tourist visa at arrival costs PHP 3. 000. It was mentioned on these pages some time ago (Yes, I am lazy!).

When you overstay e.g. 10 days you pay probably the same amount of PHP 3. 000 with a chance that an officer at immigration looks another way and will let you pass without paying (I am retired, maybe that will help also).

A visa from a Philippines Consulate in Europe was € 32 last year or roughly PHP 2. 800, and then you have to add costs of transport to a consulate plus time you need to go there and back, plus costs for registered mail sometimes.

When I look at these figures I will take the risk of overstaying.

Any better opinion or advice?

Thanks

[Tungsten Chef]

Its the same, if you overstay for 2 days or 2 months. They charge 3500 to 4000 pesos. I have done it couple of times. PH immigration is cool. Just make sure. You go to a lady immigration officer for all your needs when it comes to visa issues.

Sometime you don't even have to pay as warbucks mentioned. No worries.hmm. My travel agent told me it will be roughly 35$ canadian dollars. Less than 1500p for the extra 7 days. I can live with 4000p though.

Do you need to go anyplace special to get it done? Do they do it right at the airport?

[Starchild2012]

hmm. My travel agent told me it will be roughly 35$ canadian dollars. Less than 1500p for the extra 7 days. I can live with 4000p though.

Do you need to go anyplace special to get it done? Do they do it right at the airport?

I'm not sure about the 7 day extension, it may be possible also, i got it done for regular 2 months extention.


They do it in Airport also, but it depends upon the immigration officer and his mood and how he views your case. But lately, I have heard that all visa overstay is reffered to the main immigration office....so you will miss your flight if it happens....don't take that chance.

http://www.immigration.gov.ph/

Above is the main website. if you are in Manila, you can go personally and get in done in like couple of hours....intramurous main immigration office...its easy and uncomplicated.

You can do the same in other cities also, its a very simple process.

I never had any trouble with overstaying......they ask few question on reason for overstay and give them some lame excuse and you are done with the paper work..they call you after one hour and you get your extension.

They are really after your money and nothing else :) I don't think they really care about overstay as long as we pay.

Good Luck

[Bigdan]

Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan

[Cunning Stunt]

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??


As far as I am aware, there is no minimum requirement. You could fly out and return the same day and get a fresh 21 day visa, although immigration might wish to know why you would want to do that!

[KongKing]

Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan
Bigdan, you do not need to leave the country after 21 days! Lots of information on this in this forum. I am surprised at Cunning Stunt's advice to you.

You do need evidence that you are leaving the Philippines (ie a return air ticket) as part of the check-in procedures on your flight to the Philippines (a Philippines Immigration requirement). But the return ticket does NOT need to be within 21 days of arrival.

My return ticket was nearly 4 months after arrival... no problem. Someone a year ago on this thread said that an open air return was also accepted.

If you want to stay longer than 21 days you don't need to leave the country (like a Thailand visa run)! Your 21 day visitor's visa can be extended for another 39 days giving you a 60 day stay if you arrange this at a Philippines Immigration office, well distributed in the Phils. This will cost you about 3500 pesos for that 39 day extension. Then it seems to be no problem to roll over your visa on a 2 monthly basis. The important thing is to arrange your extension before the passport stamped expiry date.

KongKing

[GregLondon]

In theory you need an onward or return ticket. in practice on my 3 visits to phils I have been able after a few questions to board without one . In the era of E tickets this becomes more and more difficult for trhe airlines and passport agency to wrry about



Bigdan, you do not need to leave the country after 21 days! Lots of information on this in this forum. I am surprised at Cunning Stunt's advice to you.

You do need evidence that you are leaving the Philippines (ie a return air ticket) as part of the check-in procedures on your flight to the Philippines (a Philippines Immigration requirement). But the return ticket does NOT need to be within 21 days of arrival.

My return ticket was nearly 4 months after arrival... no problem. Someone a year ago on this thread said that an open air return was also accepted.

If you want to stay longer than 21 days you don't need to leave the country (like a Thailand visa run)! Your 21 day visitor's visa can be extended for another 39 days giving you a 60 day stay if you arrange this at a Philippines Immigration office, well distributed in the Phils. This will cost you about 3500 pesos for that 39 day extension. Then it seems to be no problem to roll over your visa on a 2 monthly basis. The important thing is to arrange your extension before the passport stamped expiry date.

KongKing

[Rubberyman]

Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan

A couple of years ago, I met Bigdan in Prague.

He is a regular of the Prague Boards (and a wealth of information if you ever want to go there or ask on the boards).

He showed me round and took me to Jagushka pub with the half duck and pilsener urquell beer, and the Gurman pub with the Krusovice beer. Not to mention putting me on to the legendary Wendy at Maslive Studentky private. *drool, dribble*

So how did I repay him?

By recommending he go to Angeles City...which he did in November, hooking up with Miss M - and now he has caught Filipines Fever. Just like the rest of us, Bigdan is trapped in the Phils and is trying to extend his time there.

And it's all my fault.

Muahahaha.

[Cunning Stunt]

Bigdan, you do not need to leave the country after 21 days! Lots of information on this in this forum. I am surprised at Cunning Stunt's advice to you.


Why? Bigdan never mentioned extending his visa. I might have been in error but I read his question as to how long, if he left the country, before he could return on a fresh 21 day Visa.

If he has been here since November, then he has already extended his visa or has a serious overstay problem!

[Rubberyman]

Why? Bigdan never mentioned extending his visa. I might have been in error but I read his question as to how long, if he left the country, before he could return on a fresh 21 day Visa.

If he has been here since November, then he has already extended his visa or has a serious overstay problem!

He is just planning his next trip...obviously an LT.

[Bigdan]

Why? Bigdan never mentioned extending his visa. I might have been in error but I read his question as to how long, if he left the country, before he could return on a fresh 21 day Visa.

If he has been here since November, then he has already extended his visa or has a serious overstay problem!

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your help, I am sure there are some information about this but not recently.

My point is going maybe there for over 21 days and perhaps a side trip to another country if I would get a new 21 days Visa!

Thanks

Bigdan

[Cunning Stunt]

Cebu Pacific has a two day sale, today and tomorrow, of flights from Clark to varying destinations, flight dates 01 Feb - 30 Apr 10.

Just picked up a flight to Bangkok for a little over P1100! A giveaway.

[Robbaf]

Cebu Pacific has a two day sale, today and tomorrow, of flights from Clark to varying destinations, flight dates 01 Feb - 30 Apr 10.

Just picked up a flight to Bangkok for a little over P1100! A giveaway.
From their website:( http://www.cebupacificair.com/help/faq-businessrules.html#q5

Cebu Pacific’s New and Exciting Business Rules!
Starting December 1, 2009, we will be implementing NEW BUSINESS RULES that should help our guests manage their bookings better. We understand that unavoidable circumstances may occur, causing our guests to miss their scheduled flights. To better facilitate and accommodate our guests’ flight changes, we created the Travel Fund.

The Travel Fund aims to help our guests use their purchased ticket in a schedule that is more convenient for them, provided that it is within ninety (90) days of the Travel Fund creation date. We are also giving our guests the option to transfer the tickets in another person’s name as he/she wishes to. But all these changes will only be made available as long as they were made more than one (1) day before departure date. So now, there will be no more need for a refund; you may just easily store the value of your ticket in your Travel Fund for your next flight.


Why can’t I refund my booking in cash and what is a Travel Fund?

We changed this business rule in order to better serve your travel needs. Your Travel Fund makes it possible for you to enjoy a more flexible arrangement because you may still use the value of your changed flight within ninety (90) days from the date the Travel Fund is created. You also have the option to transfer it to another person. This eliminates the wait for your refund and you may immediately use the amount stored in your Travel Fund for your next booking.

[Bumbo]

My girl has a new cell phone Nokia 2630 When I try to text her phone using yahoo messenger after I enter her cell number it said- Yahoo! Messenger cannot send SMS messages to this mobile number! she has Smart That you can pay whatever amount for your load! I checked yahoo site Smart and Globe users can receive yahoo text message! Do her phone need to be configured?? setting needs to be adjusted? or whatever! Is there a step by step instructions how to fix this problem so her phone can receive yahoo text messenger?

Thanks!

[Robbaf]

My girl has a new cell phone Nokia 2630 When I try to text her phone using yahoo messenger after I enter her cell number it said- Yahoo! Messenger cannot send SMS messages to this mobile number! she has Smart That you can pay whatever amount for your load! I checked yahoo site Smart and Globe users can receive yahoo text message! Do her phone need to be configured?? setting needs to be adjusted? or whatever! Is there a step by step instructions how to fix this problem so her phone can receive yahoo text messenger?

Thanks!
Have her sign into Yahoo Moblie on her YM. When she signs out of YM, it will let her sign into YM mobile and then you can YM her like she is online, but it will go to her mobile and she will still be charged.

Robb

[Jambo]

Also many use Chikka or Google voice to send SMS to the PI. The Chikka pc-installed version lets you send load. However, I have trouble getting Chikka to connect here, I am sure its about firewall settings. The browser-based Chikka works fine for me. She can reply to a Chikka sms like its a local text.

[Buko Max]

When she signs out of YM, it will let her sign into YM mobile and then you can YM her like she is online, but it will go to her mobile and she will still be charged.
It's 2.5 php for her to send a SMS but free to receive.

[Juant Pussy]

... I checked yahoo site Smart and Globe users can receive yahoo text message! Do her phone need to be configured?? ...

Are you entering the phone number correctly? Hit the F1 key for YM help. You need to enter the country code +63 for Phils. I use CHIKKA and number starts with 63. e.g. 639155555555.

[Vandaddio]

Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?

[FreebieFan]

Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?No worries at all. Go to Landmark in Makati and you will see no end of old and young shopping together. Sure the matrons will have a little tut tut and "how could he/she".. give them the evil eye and they will back off.

You will have no probs at all out on the road either. In the Phils they are bought up to both appreciate an older guy, to not see any major age difference as strange, and for most, they will not even look at you.

[Starchild2012]

Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?

It is ok here in Manila and other cities. I have seem many Caucasian folks going with young 20 year olds. People don't seem to care but notice it anyway.

I have seem many folks also let the girl walk in front of her, so that it does not look obvious they are together but it only happens if they live in high rise condos and have to see the same people again and again in elevators and walk ways....otherwise, its cool...in mall bars sand restaurants no body cares...

[One Wing Low]

What's the name of a beachside city 1 hour drive North West of Manila, on the opposite side of AC?

A bro is going there. He has a beach house and plenty young, pretty girls are available.

I am trying to pull together information to decide if I want to go along. Please mention the name of the city and any info.

[Fiend Devil]

What's the name of a beachside city 1 hour drive North West of Manila, on the opposite side of AC?

A bro is going there. He has a beach house and plenty young, pretty girls are available.

I am trying to pull together information to decide if I want to go along. Please mention the name of the city and any info.

You mean Subic ?

[Cunning Stunt]

Also many use Chikka or Google voice to send SMS to the PI. The Chikka pc-installed version lets you send load. However, I have trouble getting Chikka to connect here, I am sure its about firewall settings. The browser-based Chikka works fine for me. She can reply to a Chikka sms like its a local text.

I’m chuffed that you guys put me onto Chikka. It’s just what I needed. Living in the Philippines, where most communication is by message, I waste so much time tapping out sms’s and if, like me, you have sausages for fingers, it can be very time consuming. Only problem with Chikka is that whereas Chikka to CP texts are free, CP to Chikka texts cost P2-50 which is no great problem as the girl can reply in normal sms (they balk at the extra P1-50).

More worryingly is that after a couple of texts without Chikka reply, sms’s are prefaced by a warning that future messages may be blocked, if not replied through Chikka. Does anyone know if this the case?

[Jambo]

Once Google Voice offers local phone numbers for the PI, it will re-write the rules on this game. I do suggest you request a free Google Voice number for your area now.

[Wicked Roger]

Will a western Caucasian be scorned or looked down upon by locals if your with a much younger gal? I, m 60 and like them small spinnerish and around 20.

I, m sure, not, if your in AC or in a party town area, but what if you pack and bag and a spinner young pussy and head out on the road?

Be proud V, enjoy the envious looks and not worry about the old maids who will tut etc.

I walk around with my 18 year old favourite and other young girls are jealous ..of her...so have fun and shag her as much as possible...of course :D

[FreebieFan]

I’m chuffed Great Northern word. CS . Im off to Eebahgumland next week.

[Vandaddio]

Be proud V, enjoy the envious looks and not worry about the old maids who will tut etc.

I walk around with my 18 year old favourite and other young girls are jealous. Of her. So have fun and shag her as much as possible. Of course.Thanks Wicked Roger, that makes me feel a bit more relaxed about what I, m going to get myself into. Not sure if I will wear the new tee shirt that says

DIRTY OLD MAN.

Which should say sexy senior citizen.

[Wicked Roger]

Thanks Wicked Roger, that makes me feel a bit more relaxed about what I, m going to get myself into. Not sure if I will wear the new tee shirt that says

DIRTY OLD MAN.

Which should say sexy senior citizen.
My T shirt says 'dirty kinky old man ....and proud of it"

Glad that you relaxed about things as best way and ignore the looks/comments unless you see other young girls staring and you and her in jealousy...that will make you feel great I promise :D Had it recently in SM Department Store in Manila when with my 18 year old....lovely feeling :)

[One Wing Low]

You mean Subic ?Not Subic. Something else. He mentioned it in a very noisy bar. It was very hard to unsderstand.

I will probably visit Manila, Angeles City then that place.

This map is pretty nice.


http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=manila+maps&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=Manila,+Philippines&gl=us&ei=FtdXS5TvCZL-tQPog9HFBw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQ8gEwAA

[Norske1]

I use the service of meebo.com It is faster than yahoo or anything else I have seen available that is free. I use it daily and it works great. Give it a shot.

Norske 1

[Member #3428]

Anyone have suggestions for basic medical testing clinics that will EMAIL me the results and are open for drawing blood late at night or early morning (better if open 24 hours).

I just need basic testing HIV STD and such for insurance and visas. I normally go to Makati Medical where a clerk would scan and email me the results after testing was done and ready but she left and the new staff won't do that for me.

They will allow other people to pick up your results but it's a hassle and I'd rather just find a place that will do a quick test, or email results. Any suggestions? And prefer a place more near Makati if possible.

[Berty109]

I will be in Manila next week. Can anyone please explain the pros and cons of picking up in the shopping malls. Which malls do the pimps work from? Best time to go mid week, and your opinion on the Malls versus just going to La Cafe in daylight hours. I am particularly in favor of hooking up with college girls / students that are not hard core and a bit shy.

[Ajacobson]

... I normally go to Makati Medical where a clerk would scan and email me the results after testing was done and ready but she left and the new staff won't do that for me... First time I was in the laboratory of Makati Med they had a big VIRUS detection warning on their computer screen. Going there a year later it was still displaying the SAME virus warning. You better have not Makati Med email you anything, unless you use a Mac of course.

[Member #3428]

First time I was in the laboratory of Makati Med they had a big VIRUS detection warning on their computer screen. Going there a year later it was still displaying the SAME virus warning. You better have not Makati Med email you anything, unless you use a Mac of course.

Yeah I know but the clerk did it on her own time...

[GregLondon]

Arrived in Clark/Angeles from BKK last night. Very nearly not allowed on the plane due to lack of return/onward ticket.

At Clark itself then immigration people don't give a sh t about onward tickets and didn't ask anyone, but at check in on Cebu Pacific in BKK the guy said he couldn't let me on board without one. I tried the noraml BS which worked last time but he insisterd he couldn't let me on board as the airline can be fined 50000 B if they allow someone on board who gets stoped by immiration apparently. Eventually he said all that was needed was the Flight number i would take out so i was able to call my hotel (The Penthouse in Pattaya) get them to look online for a flight number for a Phils air flight back to BKK. (dangerous to give a Cebu Pacific flight as he might have checked it on his system.)

So important advice to anyone travelling to phils without a genuine onward/return ticket: write down the flight number and date of a return flight with another airline other than then one you are travelling with and say you have booked it online an d dont have a print out. I suspect that he knew i didnt really have one but he just had to put something into his sytem to check the boxes. Was a close run thing to catch the flight - last on board etc.

[Soapy Smith]

Not Subic. Something else. He mentioned it in a very noisy bar. It was very hard to unsderstand.

There are no other "beach" towns that could readily fit this description. Even the Subic area is nearly two hours from Manila, and other towns on the Zambales or Bataan Provinces coastline are considerably further than Subic in terms of driving time. It is possible your buddy simply used another name from the Subic Bay area, like Olongapo or Barrio Barretta. Please check out this post from X-Man in the Subic Thread:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=935744&postcount=142

Then check out his pictures, the link to the map he provides, and then some of the adjacent posts by other mongers before and after his post.

If you actually plan to hit the "beach," the water anywhere near where the Olongapo River dumps into Subic Bay is likely to be polluted. The Navy guys always referred to the river as Sh*t River -- for good reason. If you must swim, go either up or down the coast, or check out one of the beaches on the west side of the Bay away from Olongapo.

[Devils 1]

A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks

[Berty109]

A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O. L. E? I have searched high and low and I cannot track down the reference.

What I am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

ThanksThe site you are looking for is OLX manila. You are right similar to craigs list and used a lot more for locals. You need to be careful how you word things as payment for service should only be implied!

Just google manila classifieds and it will come up.

[Marconista]

buy and sell ?


A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks

[Dveight]

A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks

http://manila.olx.com.ph/

[Cunning Stunt]

A while back someone mentioned an online classified ads website that is popular with Pinays.

I believe it was something in the nature of O.L.E.? I have searched high and low and i cannot track down the reference.

What i am looking for is something similar to craigslist for Pinays or even specific to Manila.

Thanks

It was, I believe, me. I have had a little success with OLX but CL is better.

Another site worth a try is http://www.sulit.com.ph which is the most used online classifieds in the Philippines.

[Dashing Don]

I saw that the PI floated a bond issue recently that was well received by the international finance community and just today, they announced another one that is restricted to the balikbayans. Whats going on? I've always thought of the pinos as completely lazy and untrustworthy, and lacking any entreprenurial instincts. The country is on par with Haiti and is an unsalvageable mess, basically an open sewer. I would have thought that the only place a foreigner could safely deposit something in the Phils was in a sperm bank. Come to think of it, those warm wet filipina pussys absorb a lot of caucasian cum shots from vacationing mongers and are akin to travelling sperm banks.

Have investors lost their minds?

[AnonJohn]

Hi Guys,

does anyone know how long you would need to stay outside the Philippines after your 21 days expires until you can return again??

Thanks in advance

Bigdan

Good question, I've also wondered that also. I don't know. However, I went to the Phils embassy and got a 6 month, multi-entry Visa. It was cheap, fairly easy and fast to do. Once I had that, I was set and no worries. Once during my return from Phils, the Immigration guy (a seemingly young, hard body hot head type) said...."You've overstayed!". I calmly said, "No. I have a visa." He was forced to shutup and stamp it. He didn't like being wrong but he was, and he got out of my face.

[GregLondon]

Good question, I've also wondered that also. I don't know. However, I went to the Phils embassy and got a 6 month, multi-entry Visa. It was cheap, fairly easy and fast to do. Once I had that, I was set and no worries. Once during my return from Phils, the Immigration guy (a seemingly young, hard body hot head type) said...."You've overstayed!". I calmly said, "No. I have a visa." He was forced to shutup and stamp it. He didn't like being wrong but he was, and he got out of my face.


I think you just have to leave the country and you can come straight back in, but it will typically be cheaper and less hassle to get a visa extension (about $50 or so once all the extras are added in. I thinjk I'm right in saying tha tthe i9nitial extension extends the 21 days to 60 ie an additional 39, subsequent extensions can be for either 1 or 2 months. Any travel agent wil do it for you for say 1000P extra or you can go yourself and hang around the office for a couple of hours if you prefer to save the money

[Apeman 28]

Shit I am still in shock as my Aussie Visa card worked for a booking. Looks like they pulled their finger out and fixed the problem. You beauty no more paying bloody travel agents good money for nothing.

[Chris Long]

Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. My employer will pay for me to take two weeks for exploratory set up and then it would be a summer program every year after that. This seems like a great opportunity to combine both work and pleasure while my trip cost and stay would be paid for by my employer. Any information on education centers in or near AC, Manilla, Cibu, or any of the other monger locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

[Soapy Smith]

Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. Chris

All the major universities and most of the best are located in Metro Manila. University of the Philippines, Ateneo (Jesuit), and De La Salle (La Salle Brothers) are considered the best in the Philippines and are more likely to have respectable economics faculties. University of the Philippines (UP) has the best faculty in most fields of study, but the buildings, streets, and physical plant are falling apart. Ateneo and De La Salle have much better facilities, since they are institutions that sustain the elite classes of the country. Ateneo and UP are within a couple miles of each other, but they're in Quezon City, far from mongering sites except for the expensive clubs on Quezon Avenue. I'll come back to De La Salle later.

About a rung below these is Santo Thomas, located along Espana Avenue in Northeast Manila. Far Eastern University, San Beda College, and Polytechnic University of the Philippines are somewhat smaller schools, similarly in Northeast Manila. They are much closer than UP and Ateneo, but because they're North of the Pasig River, traffic often is a problem in getting by taxi to the mongering locations. If you're willing to learn to ride the light rail system, that might not be a problem.

Philippine Normal University, Technological University of the Philippines, Adamson University, Santa Isabel College, and University de Manila are somewhat less prestigious schools about a 15 to 20-minute sweaty walk from LA Cafe in Manila. I am guessing your employer will want you to be housed near the students, and that means on campus or very close nearby. So you should not plan on taking p4ps to your regular housing location. So your mongering model would need to include using short time hotels like Eurotel, Sogo, or the rooms upstairs in Amazonia. But for all of these closer universities people coming and going from campus would be unlikely to cross paths with you as you move to or from LA Cafe in the company of some p4p.

St. Paul's University, Philippine Christian University (yeah, right!), and Philippine Women's University (yeah, double right!) are less than 10 minutes walking distance from LA, but too close to risk movement too and from LA Cafe.

You might want to look up these institutions on Wikipedia and then check out their websites. Be prepared for the reality that most Philippine websites are not well maintained and have lots of deadend links. You might also download the free version of Google Earth if you don't already have it, and do a "business" search for these institutions. UP and Ateneo are in Quezon City; all the others are Manila. Also, do a search for LA Cafe. I believe it shows up as a marked restaurant or bar. Locating the universities and LA Cafe will give you a sense of the lay of the land.

When you've done all these things, then check out De La Salle. They have a very compact campus at the extreme Southern edge of Manila, and I think they have over 10,000 students. Location wise they are within a 10 minute cab ride to either LA Cafe or the EDSA entertainment complex, or, if you want, you can easily ride the LRT from right in front of campus to Pedro Gil (10 minute walk to LA) or to the corner of Taft and EDSA, about 5 minutes on foot to the EDSA complex. I saved them for last, but I strongly recommend that you start with these folks. I have some friends there, and I know they're looking for foreign partnerships.

Send me a pm if you want to know more.

[Sellmerch1]

Hello All,

Yes I am new to this forum and yes I fully understand about reading through the forum and posts to answer many of the newbie questions which I have been doing for the last few weeks.

My situation is one that is much different then what you fine gentlemen talk about here but because of your experiences I think you would have a wealth of helpful information for me.

To start I am not really a "Monger" who is here looking for ways to get sex from the girls. I am actually looking to find good lady for a marriage or long term relationship. I have always loved Asian women and especially the Filipina women. I have read much and researched about finding a good lady and also many of the scams these girls try on unsuspecting men. I found this site by error doing a search for scams but find much of this information very helpful in trying to weed out the bad ones.

What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl. I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet, or without pushing for marriage right away so she can get Visa? Some of these girls are regular pros at making you feel bad for them or hiding the real truth as to why they are interested in you.

Any pointers or info would be very appreciated.

Thanks for your help

[Brastrav]

Shit I am still in shock as my Aussie Visa card worked for a booking. Looks like they pulled their finger out and fixed the problem. You beauty no more paying bloody travel agents good money for nothing.Apeman,

I've noticed this also recently, but with Philippine Airlines. Last year (2009) I've tried several times to buy e-tickets online for a Philippine Airlines flight Manila-Cebu-Manila. To my biggest fustration it didn't work. After complaining many times by e-mail, and with the use of a little pressure by using their slogan "We care" I've succeeded to get the e-tickets after all.

Last week, I've tried my luck again and booked online e-tickets for the flights Bangkok-Manila-Bangkok. I was extremely surprised to see that the transaction by visa card was accepted and confirmed at the first time. Looks indeed like they pulled their finger out and fixed the problem! Hurray.

Mike

[Blackangst]

I saw that the PI floated a bond issue recently that was well received by the international finance community and just today, they announced another one that is restricted to the balikbayans. Whats going on? I've always thought of the pinos as completely lazy and untrustworthy, and lacking any entreprenurial instincts. The country is on par with Haiti and is an unsalvageable mess, basically an open sewer. I would have thought that the only place a foreigner could safely deposit something in the Phils was in a sperm bank. Come to think of it, those warm wet filipina pussys absorb a lot of caucasian cum shots from vacationing mongers and are akin to travelling sperm banks.

Have investors lost their minds?

With all due respect, I whole heartedly disagree with your assesment of filipinos.

[X Man]

Skip Kost has already given you some great info about uni in MNL.

If you have any interest in the long term success of the program, I suggest you look closely at Cebu or even some other destination. Dumaguete / Silliman Uni?

I wouldn't want to be responsible for students in Manila. There are just too many things that can go wrong. It's a big dirty city and there are security issues.

For whatever it's worth, Cebu seems to attract a lot of Korean students who come to study English.

In Cebu it would be harder to be discrete, but still doable. And if you are there long term, you might find yourself enjoying the regular ladies rather than going for p4p.

X


Does anyone know of any university’s/education centers that are close enough to monger locations yet isolated enough to where the students or school officials would not notice. I have been given the opportunity to set up a summer study abroad program in economics. My employer will pay for me to take two weeks for exploratory set up and then it would be a summer program every year after that. This seems like a great opportunity to combine both work and pleasure while my trip cost and stay would be paid for by my employer. Any information on education centers in or near AC, Manilla, Cibu, or any of the other monger locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris

[GregLondon]

Skip Kost has already given you some great info about uni in MNL.

If you have any interest in the long term success of the program, I suggest you look closely at Cebu or even some other destination. Dumaguete / Silliman Uni?

I wouldn't want to be responsible for students in Manila. There are just too many things that can go wrong. It's a big dirty city and there are security issues.

For whatever it's worth, Cebu seems to attract a lot of Korean students who come to study English.

In Cebu it would be harder to be discrete, but still doable. And if you are there long term, you might find yourself enjoying the regular ladies rather than going for p4p.

X


I would agree with X Man

if you want some links with the best colleges/unis in PI then you prob have to go to Manila but its too big to be much fun for me. Cebu has alot of unis too and as someone said is very popular with Korean students learning English. cebu would be the best destination from the point of girls in my view. Dumaguete would be the third choice, it has Sulliman Uni, one of the best in the phils and a few smaller colleges. Its a much smaller town much more difficult to do things discretely and the ratio of western retirees/hot young chicks is probably the worst iin the country.

[GregLondon]

Hello All,

Yes I am new to this forum and yes I fully understand about reading through the forum and posts to answer many of the newbie questions which I have been doing for the last few weeks.

My situation is one that is much different then what you fine gentlemen talk about here but because of your experiences I think you would have a wealth of helpful information for me.

To start I am not really a "Monger" who is here looking for ways to get sex from the girls. I am actually looking to find good lady for a marriage or long term relationship. I have always loved Asian women and especially the Filipina women. I have read much and researched about finding a good lady and also many of the scams these girls try on unsuspecting men. I found this site by error doing a search for scams but find much of this information very helpful in trying to weed out the bad ones.

What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl. I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet, or without pushing for marriage right away so she can get Visa? Some of these girls are regular pros at making you feel bad for them or hiding the real truth as to why they are interested in you.

Any pointers or info would be very appreciated.

Thanks for your help

Hi I'm sure I and other guys with extensive phils experience are delighted to try to help but i think we need a little bit more background as to what you are looking fior and what type of guy you are etc.

Your message was using Indian English, are you or Indian background? If so do you live there or in the Us ? obviously Phil girls will be much keener to move to the US. Approx how old are you and what age lady are you looking for? Are you looking fior a sweet innocent virgin type or somebody more wild and experienced? Is educational background important for you? Do you mind if she has a big family (who are likely to see you as a source of income if you marry her?)

As a general rule if i were looking for a wife rather than fun, I would be more interested in Chinese girls, because if you are potentially offering marriage and western visa you can find a university educated girl who speaks pretty good Engliush who will accept a say 15 year age gap, The Chinese in general are hard working, entrepreneurial and have small families. If you have a well educated one, she can probably get a reasonable job when with you in the West, and if you have a job/social circle where such things are important then she is likely to be considered much more respectable amongst your friends. I would personally be very wary of getting a Thai wife, as i think the high class ones are not so interested in marrying a big age gap foreign guy and the lower class ones often either don't speak much English or are bar girls. Doubtless there will be guys here who have known of exceptions, but personally I think if you marry a thai bar girl you are asking for trouble.

If you are not so concerned about education/hard work etc and dont mind marryingt into a large family with many mouths to feed, the philly girls are a good option as they speak better English and there are millions available, they will tolerate higher age gaps than other Asian girls.

Personally I would go for a girl who is at least college/uni educated speaks excellent English doesnt have a baby etc

[Red Kilt]

Hello All,

I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet, or without pushing for marriage right away so she can get Visa? Some of these girls are regular pros at making you feel bad for them or hiding the real truth as to why they are interested in you.

Any pointers or info would be very appreciated.

Thanks for your helpYou haven't left it long enough yet. You said 95% mention money quickly but what about the 95%.

You just need to be patient. Make sure your profile does NOT say you are looking for marriage. Say something like you are looking for friends first and will then see where the friendship takes you. Saying you are looking for a wife will attract everyone, including scammers etc.

Also. Get a thicker skin. Don't let them make you "feel bad". If you fall for their stories they think you are a sucker anyway. Just go with the stats. There are 100s of women on DIA for example. Keep trawling and you will eventually find at least one, which is really all you want.

[GoodEnough]

Hello All,

To start I am not really a "Monger" who is here looking for ways to get sex from the girls. I am actually looking to find good lady for a marriage or long term relationship. I have always loved Asian women and especially the Filipina women. I have read much and researched about finding a good lady and also many of the scams these girls try on unsuspecting men. I found this site by error doing a search for scams but find much of this information very helpful in trying to weed out the bad ones.

What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl.

If you're really looking for someone with whom to establish a long-term relationship, I would forget about getting it done on line. For one thing, it's too difficult to separate the hustlers from sincere women. For another, what you learn about her on line is limited to what she wants to share with you, which might not encompass what you really need or want to know.

The only reliable way to meet women for something other than sex is, in my opinion, to come here for a fairly extended period and see for yourself. Once you're here, you have several options. You can meet expats who have lived here for a while and who are in long-term relationships and ask them to ask their partners to introduce you to "serious" friends. You can take matters into your own hands by just engaging women who appeal to you in conversation and see where it goes from there. You can (as I have often encouraged others to do) hang around various universities and professional schools and start conversations with appealing women. I know some guys who meet women at church and who go there specifically for that purpose, and others who join various religiously oriented groups. If you're into sports like golfing, diving, or tennis, you will run into women who might interest you on the golf course, the dive boat or the tennis court. My point is that there are multiple venues and multiple approaches to meeting women once you're here.

Even before coming here however, you should probably determine beforehand where you're going to go. This is a large country and the various regions are different.

GE

[Sellmerch1]

Thanks for the reply! In answer to your question..No I am not Indian and appologize if my writting appears that way. I am a full blooded caucasian white male 46 years old but do look younger (no gray and full head of hair) and somehwhat physically fit.

I am looking for a lady who is between the ages of 25 and 35 witht he emphasis towards the older side of that range. I fully understand the need for these girls to support their families and would not be opposed to that for the right girl as I am financially secure in my life. I have been chatting with a couple girls online that I found on DIA who seem to be very nice but there always seems to be something that makes you step back.

One in particular is very well educated, speaks english like a westerner and is very pretty and respectful. We have been chatting steady for the last month and a half and she has never asked for a thing. She has actually refused and offer from me when she was having a hard financial time. But, the issue with her is that she has child and was married to a Filipino who lives in the states who refuses to acknowledge her or child. I realize I should run from this situation but she is by far the best I have met yet. The other girl is from Jakarta and also seems very sweet and pretty, not quite as educated but still pretty sharp. She appears not to have children or ever been married and lives with parents who are poor as dirt so support would surely be part of the deal.

I guess what I am trying to do is find a few good ladies online who are appealing, who fit my requirements and who are not gold diggers or at least don't appear to be gold diggers. Then plan trip to meet up in person and try to filter through most in person. I am in no rush and want to make best decision but these girls are pros of deception and it is hard to tell fact from fiction.



Hi I'm sure I and other guys with extensive phils experience are delighted to try to help but i think we need a little bit more background as to what you are looking fior and what type of guy you are etc.

Your message was using Indian English, are you or Indian background? If so do you live there or in the Us ? obviously Phil girls will be much keener to move to the US. Approx how old are you and what age lady are you looking for? Are you looking fior a sweet innocent virgin type or somebody more wild and experienced? Is educational background important for you? Do you mind if she has a big family (who are likely to see you as a source of income if you marry her?)

As a general rule if i were looking for a wife rather than fun, I would be more interested in Chinese girls, because if you are potentially offering marriage and western visa you can find a university educated girl who speaks pretty good Engliush who will accept a say 15 year age gap, The Chinese in general are hard working, entrepreneurial and have small families. If you have a well educated one, she can probably get a reasonable job when with you in the West, and if you have a job/social circle where such things are important then she is likely to be considered much more respectable amongst your friends. I would personally be very wary of getting a Thai wife, as i think the high class ones are not so interested in marrying a big age gap foreign guy and the lower class ones often either don't speak much English or are bar girls. Doubtless there will be guys here who have known of exceptions, but personally I think if you marry a thai bar girl you are asking for trouble.

If you are not so concerned about education/hard work etc and dont mind marryingt into a large family with many mouths to feed, the philly girls are a good option as they speak better English and there are millions available, they will tolerate higher age gaps than other Asian girls.

Personally I would go for a girl who is at least college/uni educated speaks excellent English doesnt have a baby etc

[Sellmerch1]

While I do agree fully with you on going there and doing my search in person it is not possible at this time. I only have the ability at this point to travel there short term (1-2 weeks) a couple times per year. I am financially secure but still have a career and work and would only travel on holiday or once in a while on business. I would like to try and find a few "Elite" ladies online and then once I have a short list make plans to travel to meet in person to weed out the bad apples.

I find most of the girls online to be regular pro's of deception or have way too many skeletons in the closet for my likings. I am prepared for a long search though as I am in no rush. Any help and guidance would be greatly appreciated.


If you're really looking for someone with whom to establish a long-term relationship, I would forget about getting it done on line. For one thing, it's too difficult to separate the hustlers from sincere women. For another, what you learn about her on line is limited to what she wants to share with you, which might not encompass what you really need or want to know.

The only reliable way to meet women for something other than sex is, in my opinion, to come here for a fairly extended period and see for yourself. Once you're here, you have several options. You can meet expats who have lived here for a while and who are in long-term relationships and ask them to ask their partners to introduce you to "serious" friends. You can take matters into your own hands by just engaging women who appeal to you in conversation and see where it goes from there. You can (as I have often encouraged others to do) hang around various universities and professional schools and start conversations with appealing women. I know some guys who meet women at church and who go there specifically for that purpose, and others who join various religiously oriented groups. If you're into sports like golfing, diving, or tennis, you will run into women who might interest you on the golf course, the dive boat or the tennis court. My point is that there are multiple venues and multiple approaches to meeting women once you're here.

Even before coming here however, you should probably determine beforehand where you're going to go. This is a large country and the various regions are different.

GE

[Blackangst]

To the guy looking for marriage...first of all, youre on the wrong board lol. Also, IMHO, DIA is the last place I would look. As proof here, alot of guys and girls are there looking for a quick hook up. There are dozens of smaller dating type sites run by filipinas and their respective spouse that are just trying to get their friends or family hooked up, are much smaller, and many of these the owners of the sites personally know the girls. I would try and find something like that. Start with google.

As far as the comments on dating online in general, I disagree with comments that you cant get to know them. If a girl has something to hide, she will do so in person as well. How would you know? The bottom line, whether you meet her online or in person, is only time will reveal her true personality. IMHO its no different online or in person. Sure, it may take a little more time online, but like I said if she has something to hide she will in person. Hell...its not like in person they are an open book. Thats true of ANY woman (or man). If youve been married you know there are things you continue to learn even years after you marry. I encourage meeting online, as it cuts your (and her) time and effort by months.

Just my humble opinion.

[GregLondon]

A 46 year old white male, reasonably financially secure and with nice attitude is a dream catch for most of the girls on DIA so you should be spoilt for choice unless you live in the middle of Alaska or something.

One question that is pretty crucial is whether or not you are looking to start a family with this girl or whether you have decided against kids.

Personally I would definitely go for a girl without kids already and in the context of an Asian girl would go for someone in her late 20s. Its pretty unusual for girls in Phils/Indo/thai to have not gotten married or had a kid before 30s so the 30-35 plus market will mostly have baggage. Its different for the highly educated Chinese girl who has done a couple of degrees etc. With hundreds of thousands to choose from I don't think there is a need to compromise. I've seen many Western guys come to Asia to take wives who end up with seriously unimpressive girls because they are still thinking in terms of the quality of girl they can realistically get in the west. The reality is that if you are taking the effort and expense and uncertainty of fishing over here you should be looking for a far more attractive catch.

One issue that you will face is the reluctance of girls to enter intro several month long getting to know you sessions online. One difficulty is that there are loads of guys in DIA who are really just online to kill time and have fantasy girlfriends/chatmates with no real intention of very coming to the Phils or asia. The more attractive girls get hundreds of messages so must try somehow to sort the guys who are serious from the guys just wanting to chat for months. The other issue is that frankly with a large majority of asian girls there is simply not that much to get to know. Ive seen guys ask about hobbies or what do you do at the weekend type questions. For a poor girl, she probably doesn't have the money or imagination to do much more than hang out with friends or go down to the mall, and many don't have a real job so the concept of weekend has little meaning.

Maybe the guy wqho suggested personal recommndations is sensible. For example I know about 4 or 5 asian girls Chinese/Thai/phils in that age group, either educated or at least bright, with good English who i consider trustworthy freinds, if you PM me with the type that you are looking for I'm happyt to put you in touch with any that meet your requirements.







Thanks for the reply! In answer to your question..No I am not Indian and appologize if my writting appears that way. I am a full blooded caucasian white male 46 years old but do look younger (no gray and full head of hair) and somehwhat physically fit.

I am looking for a lady who is between the ages of 25 and 35 witht he emphasis towards the older side of that range. I fully understand the need for these girls to support their families and would not be opposed to that for the right girl as I am financially secure in my life. I have been chatting with a couple girls online that I found on DIA who seem to be very nice but there always seems to be something that makes you step back.

One in particular is very well educated, speaks english like a westerner and is very pretty and respectful. We have been chatting steady for the last month and a half and she has never asked for a thing. She has actually refused and offer from me when she was having a hard financial time. But, the issue with her is that she has child and was married to a Filipino who lives in the states who refuses to acknowledge her or child. I realize I should run from this situation but she is by far the best I have met yet. The other girl is from Jakarta and also seems very sweet and pretty, not quite as educated but still pretty sharp. She appears not to have children or ever been married and lives with parents who are poor as dirt so support would surely be part of the deal.

I guess what I am trying to do is find a few good ladies online who are appealing, who fit my requirements and who are not gold diggers or at least don't appear to be gold diggers. Then plan trip to meet up in person and try to filter through most in person. I am in no rush and want to make best decision but these girls are pros of deception and it is hard to tell fact from fiction.

[Sellmerch1]

I fully undertsand what the purpose of this board is. My reason for asking questions here are because I feel many of the men here are very experienced in dealing with these girls. Sure the men here are not looking for marraige or even a long term relationship but I still feel some of the more experienced here understand these women and the culture incredibly well.

I am sure there are many here saying why in gods world would anyone want a long term relationship when you can have a different one each day! Lets just say that I am in a place in my life where I want to settle down. I have been divorced now for 6 years and have had many women some hired and some not. I have traveled to many Asian countries in my time during the military and now for my work. Out of all the places I have traveled I have grown a liking to the Filipina ladies. So now comes the challenge of trying to find a good lady. Thanks again for the suggestions I do appreciate.


To the guy looking for marriage...first of all, youre on the wrong board lol. Also, IMHO, DIA is the last place I would look. As proof here, alot of guys and girls are there looking for a quick hook up. There are dozens of smaller dating type sites run by filipinas and their respective spouse that are just trying to get their friends or family hooked up, are much smaller, and many of these the owners of the sites personally know the girls. I would try and find something like that. Start with google.

As far as the comments on dating online in general, I disagree with comments that you cant get to know them. If a girl has something to hide, she will do so in person as well. How would you know? The bottom line, whether you meet her online or in person, is only time will reveal her true personality. IMHO its no different online or in person. Sure, it may take a little more time online, but like I said if she has something to hide she will in person. Hell...its not like in person they are an open book. Thats true of ANY woman (or man). If youve been married you know there are things you continue to learn even years after you marry. I encourage meeting online, as it cuts your (and her) time and effort by months.

Just my humble opinion.

[Laylow3]

I know there are a lot of older gentlemen here so I ask this to you more experienced hands. I plan on retiring in the P.I. like many of you all have already done but to those of you who are married to filipinas like I am, I just wonder how you keep your cheating on your spouse private? I mean, not just how you keep it private but morally what do you feel? I see other women too so I am in no way criticizing anyone. For me, I'm still young but I feel that I'm a man and it is just natural for us as men to mess with different pussy. I 100% know for a fact that I would NEVER EVER leave my wife and that the other girls I mess around with are only just booty calls, that's it. Nothing more. I also feel that if men don't continue to keep it diverse, their junk will possibly stop working.

But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe. No chance of bringing anything to wife that way at all. I know I am rambling here but I'm just curious to what you older guys feel about this since a lot of you all have been there done that. Also, I want to put out that I am a strong advocate of marriage so I don't wish to talk about marriage being a waste of time. It isn't. If ones desires a solid family with kids then marriage is the only way. Period.

[Questor 55]

I just read an interesting article in today's New York Times, headed,


"Sinatra Song Often Strikes Deadly Cord".

Apparently, it has been the cause of several killings and many violent
confrontations in Kareoke Bars in the Philippines. Many intoxicated patrons
consider it to be an arrogant affirmation of American-style bravura.
Red Horse, an illegal hand gun, disgruntled drinkers and this old Sinatra Favorite can be a deadly combination.So, if you do feel the urge to sing, best be on key and choose a different song !

[Riverman]

First off gentleman, I want to thank all of you who have posted your valuable information on the dating site game. After a couple of years lurking the phils section I have decided on Cebu as my preferred venue for my first phils experience. I don't like spending time in loud music pounding bars/clubs and while I drink socially, I am not a big drinker, so the barfine scene is not my preferred source for puntang.

Several weeks ago, after noting how others who have gone before have approached the scene on DIA, I decided on my strategy and began. My basic strategy was to create 2 profiles for my self, call them Alterboy and Sexybeast. Alterboy is the LTR/Marrriage minded persona. Sexybeast is the up-front but generous and understanding until-fuck-do-us-part guy. These are the results of the past 2 weeks:

Sexybeast is my preferred persona but I began with Alterboy for 3 reasons: 1) from an anthropological standpoint I wanted to chat with a large number of filipinas from all over the country to get a sense of their cultural personality, their general circumstances, and what they want out of life. Armed with this data, Sexybeast can only be more effective.

2) I simply wanted to know if one persona generally got more action that the other.

3) After Alterboy has spent a bit of time cultivating online relationships with "I'm only a good girl" filipinas with the promise of meeting them on my trip with hopes for marriage, I then wanted to have Sexybeast hit them up with his up-front offer for short-term sexual companionship to see what happens.

Well, short of actually arriving in the phils to meet the girls in person (I know that is the real test and I'll be happy to be there to do it!) I have to report success accross the boards.

Alterboy, even without a pic in his DIA profile got loads of interest and responses. He had more pretty young women hitting him up for is YM I'd than he knew what to do with. After chatting, most of them professed an ardent desire to meet him in person. Ever the good respectfull boy, he did not even hint at sex, though he was flirty and complimentary. Many girls maitained their nice persona, but some saw an opportunity to take advantage of a nice sucker. The ones who hit him up for money on the first chat, he discarded out of hand, banishing to the land of unwanted filipinas.

The others who he liked and who worked him a bit, ie many chat sessions, and then all so apologetically hit him up for some help, these he did not discard. No, instead he threw them to Sexybeast. The transition was incredibly easy. Once Alterboy morphed into Sexybeast he simply explained with great empathy how he undertands their situation and really wants to help, but he only gives financial favors to girls in person and if they are nice to him ie spend the night with him in his hotel. By this method Sexybeast has (2) confirmed very attractive chatmates who have agreed to see him on his trip.

After 2 weeks after chatting up all these nice girls, bear in mind that Alterboy is sincere in his desire for a LTR and maybe even Marriage if he is so lucky, there were very many who wanted him. After many hours chatting with dozens of girls, he has found 2 girls that he is intested in marrying. Both girls are at University, have steadfastly maintained there nice personas, shared pics of their wonderful families, and think Alterboy is a wonderful man and worthy of a possible life-time committment.

Given Alterboys love and admiration for both of these paragons of the marriagable filipina, it was time to begin Sexybeast in earnest.

Only last night he began. His DIA profile newly in hand, he courted the ladies. In only 30 minutes, he had his first 2 definite hits on DIA, girls who read his profile and wanted him. Both were young and both are hot. With this success, he stayed online for another hour. His messages to the first 2 girls seem so effective he cut and pasted the message and sent it to many hot girls. Unfortuenaly, he did not realize that DIA doesn't allow cut and pasters, so they weren't sent! OOPS! Before going to bed, Sexybeast sent messages to both of Alterboys selections for possible marriage partners. Alter boy didn't mind, he knew the quality of these girls and was unconcered.

This morning Sexybeast immediately logged onto DIA and Lo-and-Behold! One of Alterboy's marriage selections had recieved Sexybeasts message, read his profile, and definately wanted to meet him on Sexybeasts terms! In fact, she was quite enthusiastic about it. The second girl hasn't been online yet to get Sexybeast's message, but Alterboy is confident she will be immune to Sexybeast's charm. Sexybeast is not so sure. In addition to Alterboys girl, one of the girls whos profile Sexybeast had visited the night before, but who did not recieve any message becuase of the see and P fiasco, had noted his visit, read his profile, and indicated a strong desire to meet him.

I have to tell you all, I love this DIA. Sexybeast with very little effort has (6) young (but over 18) non-pro hotties who want to fuck him for money. Don't worry, he understands he must recruit many more, to account for attrition, and no-shows, and life in general. But Sexybeast will keep the captured ones on his string, charm them and have them chomping at the bit to see him when he comes and he will recruit many many more.

Which persona gets more action? Well, in terms of sheer volume, that would be Alterboy. So if you really want a LTR/Marriage, don't be afraid to use him, but I would recommend keepting Sexybeast in the wings as a later chastity test. Alterboy is also very usefull for just getting to know about filipinas. With what I know from using Alterboy, I am simply able to go in for the kill with Sexybeast with great precision. If your desire is the no-regrets non-pro/semi-pro nice girl p4p action, then Sexybeast is the way to go. He gets plenty of action with a minimum of bullshit.

After I arrive in Cebu I will report my real world results. Again, thanks all.

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[FreebieFan]

What I am looking for is any suggestions or information from you pro's as to what I need to be looking for when contacting a girl. I am listed on DIA and do get many offers for chat and I would say that 95% of them go right for my wallet very quickly. I have heard many stories of sick relatives, need for money for school and just about every combination of money chasing out there.

Are there anyways of finding a girl who wants a relationship without raiding my wallet,

Thanks for your helpdon't know what you are doing wrong or what I'm doing right, but after 18 months on DIA (and countless hook ups) I've never had anyone " go for my wallet".

Never state you are a first timer to Phils.

Never state you are looking for wife.

Trust your instincts and if a girl makes an ambiguous comment about money, move on.

Remember thats whats small money for you might be big money for them. Other day a girl asked for taxi fare, so I gave her p200. She was shocked and said she only needs p 50. Thats US$1.

[Rubberyman]

I've seen many Western guys come to Asia to take wives who end up with seriously unimpressive girls because they are still thinking in terms of the quality of girl they can realistically get in the west. The reality is that if you are taking the effort and expense and uncertainty of fishing over here you should be looking for a far more attractive catch. (snip)

One issue that you will face is the reluctance of girls to enter intro several month long getting to know you sessions online. (snip)

The more attractive girls get hundreds of messages so must try somehow to sort the guys who are serious from the guys just wanting to chat for months. The other issue is that frankly with a large majority of asian girls there is simply not that much to get to know. (snip)



Hi Greg,

A couple of comments/suggestion.

You are quite right that guys quite often settle for less because they are comparing the market in PI to the market back home. However, I reckon that someone who is seriously searching can even maximise it even more by putting in some extra yards himself.

For example, how many guys speak even a little Tagalog?

I bet if an average guy messaged one of the stunners/more educated and started off with

Magandang tanghali!

Kumusta.

Wala akong asawa, pero..../Magisa ako, pero gusto kong asawa.

Wala akong ang manga anak/mairon ako anak ng babae/lelaki

etc etc

And then explained (in english) that he was learning Tagalog, I bet that he would zoom immediately near to the top of the list. And if he actually could manage even a couple of hundred words then it would be the very top of most lists.

A course such as Pimsleur would enable someone to get 300 words within a month of hard work. (one and a half hours hard work per day - not the half hour per day they say at Pimsleur). That costs about $USD150.

The point being that if one is looking seriously for a wife (I am not - eeeeek), then $150USD and about 45 hours of hard mental work has such a seriously high payoff in terms of the quality of the ladies able to be contacted, that it is really a no brainer. It screams out to the stunners who are trying to sift out the serious guys from the time wasters that here is someone who is serious, and is prepared to respect Philippine culture too.

http://www.pimsleuraudio.com/pimsleur_search_result.php?lang_name=Tagalog&osCsid=a918673db99af293c79e258cec8f1c11

ps, I solemnly vow and declare I have no connection whatever with Pimsleur, although I have used it.

[Sammon]

To the guy looking for marriage...first of all, youre on the wrong board lol. Also, IMHO, DIA is the last place I would look. As proof here, alot of guys and girls are there looking for a quick hook up. There are dozens of smaller dating type sites run by filipinas and their respective spouse that are just trying to get their friends or family hooked up, are much smaller, and many of these the owners of the sites personally know the girls. I would try and find something like that. Start with google.

As far as the comments on dating online in general, I disagree with comments that you cant get to know them. If a girl has something to hide, she will do so in person as well. How would you know? The bottom line, whether you meet her online or in person, is only time will reveal her true personality. IMHO its no different online or in person. Sure, it may take a little more time online, but like I said if she has something to hide she will in person. Hell...its not like in person they are an open book. Thats true of ANY woman (or man). If youve been married you know there are things you continue to learn even years after you marry. I encourage meeting online, as it cuts your (and her) time and effort by months.

Just my humble opinion.
I have chatted and met few girls from DIA.
My observations are,
1. Even though they say in their profile many have children.
2. Initially they pretend to frown on sex on meeting but they quickly turn around with the right incentive.
3. They all want money and gifts. It starts with no load in the Phone,no money to buy food, transportation etc.
4. Some are well experienced in sex giving me the feeling that they have might have done more than a few stints in LA cafe.
5. Few young girls want you to meet their parents or sister before they agree to stay with you. It is all a eyewash ending in requests of money to help their "poor" family.
6. None of these are wife material unless you consider good sex is enough.
7. Most often there is no real topic of conversation. You end up twiddling your thumbs while she texts away with their friends.

I think if you are serious of marrying a Philippine girl go through dating agencies and such. They might pre-screen your requirements. Most dating site girls are looking for money from you.

[Cunning Stunt]

..But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe...

Gloves ... I love it, tell me that you are joking? Do you put on a crash helmet every time that you risk your life and limb out on the mean city streets of Manila, Angeles or Cebu.

Mongering is a risk takers endeavor. That is part of the thrill and excitement. Sure, you can minimize the risk element by strict condom use and careful hygiene practices (but a lot of mongers don't) but you cannot eliminate it entirely. And who would want to in the cotton wool cocooned environment of today.

For those for whom risk is a dirty word, there is always origami and widow wankey and her five daughters (but don't forget the marigold;)).

[Cunning Stunt]

A course such as Pimsleur would enable someone to get 300 words within a month of hard work. (one and a half hours hard work per day - not the half hour per day they say at Pimsleur). That costs about $USD150.


So, whats your commission?;) The Rosetta Stone video interactive courses are also very useful for those intent on learning some Tagalog.

It sure can impress the girls.

[GregLondon]

I know there are a lot of older gentlemen here so I ask this to you more experienced hands. I plan on retiring in the P.I. like many of you all have already done but to those of you who are married to filipinas like I am, I just wonder how you keep your cheating on your spouse private? I mean, not just how you keep it private but morally what do you feel? I see other women too so I am in no way criticizing anyone. For me, I'm still young but I feel that I'm a man and it is just natural for us as men to mess with different pussy. I 100% know for a fact that I would NEVER EVER leave my wife and that the other girls I mess around with are only just booty calls, that's it. Nothing more. I also feel that if men don't continue to keep it diverse, their junk will possibly stop working.

But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe. No chance of bringing anything to wife that way at all. I know I am rambling here but I'm just curious to what you older guys feel about this since a lot of you all have been there done that. Also, I want to put out that I am a strong advocate of marriage so I don't wish to talk about marriage being a waste of time. It isn't. If ones desires a solid family with kids then marriage is the only way. Period.

i don't understand why someone would marry a filipina without sorting this out PRIOR to marriage. ie to make clear from the start that you like to ry new girls (preferably with her in bed too) but that you arre looking for a long term companion, mother to your children and that you will not dump her or embarass her infront of friends and relatives.

In my experience most Filipinas are willing to accept and enjoy threesomes with other girls all it requires is a little persuasion and encouragement to get over the socially installed yuk factor. A day later they are into it and busy hunting for your next joint conquest.

As in every walk of life you must negotiate from a position of strength and your positionjn of strength is when you are dangling the tantalizing prospect of marriage before her, not when she has been ensconced in the west, been reading western womens mags and talking to her friends about how much alimony she can collect if you ditch her.

if you are living or plan to viist the Phiols it is almost inevitable that you will want to try new girls given the superabundance of willing young nubile girls so your wife to be better face up to reality BEFORE you marry.

The concept that sex and marriage are intimately linked is Christian inspired nonsense. Marriage is in effect the beginning of the end of your sex life unless you make it clear that her role is primarily as companion/mother/friend and you fully intend to continue seeking sexual novelty elsewhere.

[FreebieFan]

So, whats your commission?;) The Rosetta Stone video interactive courses are also very useful for those intent on learning some Tagalog.

It sure can impress the girls.I think you need maybe 20 good phrases that can fool people into thinking you know Tagaog

May tumawag sa akin ( has anyone called me )
Alis ny ako ( Im going out now )
Tayo na ( lets go -together)
Gutum ako ( Im hungry)
Ako din ( me too )
Ang bait mo ( your so sweet)
Paki hinaan radyo mo ( please turn down your radio...great phrase to use in taxis)
Baki walang matro ( why not use the meter)
Saan ka pupunta ( where you going )
Celabas ( outside... when a BG asks where you from always reply with this.. they always laugh no matter how corny it sounds)

Hindo naitindihan at marunong ( I dont understand or comprehend )

etcetc.

With such phrases its easy to fool people into thinking you are reasonably fluent. And it sure makes the girls think you are wise to their ways and clealr not a tourist.

And of course , if they make a wallet squeeze on you..then " hindi pera ngayon" ( I have no money at moment ) should be used......lol

[FreebieFan]

1. Even though they say in their profile many have children.

2. Initially they pretend to frown on sex on meeting but they quickly turn around with the right incentive.

3. They all want money and gifts. It starts with no load in the Phone, no money to buy food, transportation etc.

4. Some are well experienced in sex giving me the feeling that they have might have done more than a few stints in LA cafe.

5. Few young girls want you to meet their parents or sister before they agree to stay with you. It is all a eyewash ending in requests of money to help their "poor" family.

6. None of these are wife material unless you consider good sex is enough.

7. Most often there is no real topic of conversation. You end up twiddling your thumbs while she texts away with their friends.

I think if you are serious of marrying a Philippine girl go through dating agencies and such. They might pre-screen your requirements. Most dating site girls are looking for money from you.I met an ISG visitor on Saturday night who was getting knocked back on trying to meet some DIA contacts he had. Was his first time in Manila and he clearly had a bad impression.

I'm now reading some of the above observations and I have to wonder why I'm lucky in getting plenty of DIA meetings that exactly fall into the type that I want to have. Answers are probably as follows:

1. Learn some Tagalog. For the ladies, this quickly means you are not a 2 day tourist.

2. Tell them that you are familiar with Manila. Again this separates the 2 day tourists from the herd.

3. In early chat tell them you have a wife. This separates the wife hunters.

4. Call the girl. This separates the baklas as the deep voice is a 99% giveaway.

5. Check the girls location. Make sure its near yours. If you are in Makati and girl is in Manila she may have to take an hour getting to you. You will think shes late, shes just stuck in traffic. Already your both off to a bad start.

6. Nothing to talk about? If you had lots to chat about and then nothing to talk about when together, shes probably shy and being deferential to you in not speaking first. Ask her leading questions. Interview her about her family, whatever. Filipinas LOVE to talk so maybe you are doing something wrong if shes quiet. Get her to laugh. Again they love jokes. Sing an Air Supply song if all else fails. They love Air Supply and love kareoke.

If you had nothing in common to talk about in chat, why would you think it would be different in real life.

Talk slow. English is not the first language.

Get chatting on YM and if the girl doesn't apprecaite your sense of humour, or can only say "what" "pardon" or " I don't understand" then clearly shes not going to stunning company when you meet.

Girls from province maybe smart as a button. Or slow as a caribou. Exercise sonme judgement before meeting.

I thought all the above would have been relatively obvious, but I think many guys see a pretty picture and assume the women has a brain to match that wil be in perfect synch with your personality. Long long way from the truth as last few postings clearly demonstrate.

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[Dveight]

There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe.

A hand job, with gloves doesn't sound like fun to me, but hey to each is his own. I sure wouldnt pay much to get a "sterile" hand job.

[Sellmerch1]

I love this idea, I think it will work great in weeding out the "bad" girls in my search. But of course most of you are looking for the "Bad" girl while I am looking for the good! Guess we are on different ends of the playing field! LOL


First off gentleman, I want to thank all of you who have posted your valuable information on the dating site game. After a couple of years lurking the phils section I have decided on Cebu as my preferred venue for my first phils experience. I don't like spending time in loud music pounding bars/clubs and while I drink socially, I am not a big drinker, so the barfine scene is not my preferred source for puntang.

Several weeks ago, after noting how others who have gone before have approached the scene on DIA, I decided on my strategy and began. My basic strategy was to create 2 profiles for my self, call them Alterboy and Sexybeast. Alterboy is the LTR/Marrriage minded persona. Sexybeast is the up-front but generous and understanding until-fuck-do-us-part guy. These are the results of the past 2 weeks:

Sexybeast is my preferred persona but I began with Alterboy for 3 reasons: 1) from an anthropological standpoint I wanted to chat with a large number of filipinas from all over the country to get a sense of their cultural personality, their general circumstances, and what they want out of life. Armed with this data, Sexybeast can only be more effective.

2) I simply wanted to know if one persona generally got more action that the other.

3) After Alterboy has spent a bit of time cultivating online relationships with "I'm only a good girl" filipinas with the promise of meeting them on my trip with hopes for marriage, I then wanted to have Sexybeast hit them up with his up-front offer for short-term sexual companionship to see what happens.

Well, short of actually arriving in the phils to meet the girls in person (I know that is the real test and I'll be happy to be there to do it!) I have to report success accross the boards.

Alterboy, even without a pic in his DIA profile got loads of interest and responses. He had more pretty young women hitting him up for is YM I'd than he knew what to do with. After chatting, most of them professed an ardent desire to meet him in person. Ever the good respectfull boy, he did not even hint at sex, though he was flirty and complimentary. Many girls maitained their nice persona, but some saw an opportunity to take advantage of a nice sucker. The ones who hit him up for money on the first chat, he discarded out of hand, banishing to the land of unwanted filipinas.

The others who he liked and who worked him a bit, ie many chat sessions, and then all so apologetically hit him up for some help, these he did not discard. No, instead he threw them to Sexybeast. The transition was incredibly easy. Once Alterboy morphed into Sexybeast he simply explained with great empathy how he undertands their situation and really wants to help, but he only gives financial favors to girls in person and if they are nice to him ie spend the night with him in his hotel. By this method Sexybeast has (2) confirmed very attractive chatmates who have agreed to see him on his trip.

After 2 weeks after chatting up all these nice girls, bear in mind that Alterboy is sincere in his desire for a LTR and maybe even Marriage if he is so lucky, there were very many who wanted him. After many hours chatting with dozens of girls, he has found 2 girls that he is intested in marrying. Both girls are at University, have steadfastly maintained there nice personas, shared pics of their wonderful families, and think Alterboy is a wonderful man and worthy of a possible life-time committment.

Given Alterboys love and admiration for both of these paragons of the marriagable filipina, it was time to begin Sexybeast in earnest.

Only last night he began. His DIA profile newly in hand, he courted the ladies. In only 30 minutes, he had his first 2 definite hits on DIA, girls who read his profile and wanted him. Both were young and both are hot. With this success, he stayed online for another hour. His messages to the first 2 girls seem so effective he cut and pasted the message and sent it to many hot girls. Unfortuenaly, he did not realize that DIA doesn't allow cut and pasters, so they weren't sent! OOPS! Before going to bed, Sexybeast sent messages to both of Alterboys selections for possible marriage partners. Alter boy didn't mind, he knew the quality of these girls and was unconcered.

This morning Sexybeast immediately logged onto DIA and Lo-and-Behold! One of Alterboy's marriage selections had recieved Sexybeasts message, read his profile, and definately wanted to meet him on Sexybeasts terms! In fact, she was quite enthusiastic about it. The second girl hasn't been online yet to get Sexybeast's message, but Alterboy is confident she will be immune to Sexybeast's charm. Sexybeast is not so sure. In addition to Alterboys girl, one of the girls whos profile Sexybeast had visited the night before, but who did not recieve any message becuase of the see and P fiasco, had noted his visit, read his profile, and indicated a strong desire to meet him.

I have to tell you all, I love this DIA. Sexybeast with very little effort has (6) young (but over 18) non-pro hotties who want to fuck him for money. Don't worry, he understands he must recruit many more, to account for attrition, and no-shows, and life in general. But Sexybeast will keep the captured ones on his string, charm them and have them chomping at the bit to see him when he comes and he will recruit many many more.

Which persona gets more action? Well, in terms of sheer volume, that would be Alterboy. So if you really want a LTR/Marriage, don't be afraid to use him, but I would recommend keepting Sexybeast in the wings as a later chastity test. Alterboy is also very usefull for just getting to know about filipinas. With what I know from using Alterboy, I am simply able to go in for the kill with Sexybeast with great precision. If your desire is the no-regrets non-pro/semi-pro nice girl p4p action, then Sexybeast is the way to go. He gets plenty of action with a minimum of bullshit.

After I arrive in Cebu I will report my real world results. Again, thanks all.

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[Laylow3]

i don't understand why someone would marry a filipina without sorting this out PRIOR to marriage. ie to make clear from the start that you like to ry new girls (preferably with her in bed too) but that you arre looking for a long term companion, mother to your children and that you will not dump her or embarass her infront of friends and relatives.

In my experience most Filipinas are willing to accept and enjoy threesomes with other girls all it requires is a little persuasion and encouragement to get over the socially installed yuk factor. A day later they are into it and busy hunting for your next joint conquest.

As in every walk of life you must negotiate from a position of strength and your positionjn of strength is when you are dangling the tantalizing prospect of marriage before her, not when she has been ensconced in the west, been reading western womens mags and talking to her friends about how much alimony she can collect if you ditch her.

if you are living or plan to viist the Phiols it is almost inevitable that you will want to try new girls given the superabundance of willing young nubile girls so your wife to be better face up to reality BEFORE you marry.

The concept that sex and marriage are intimately linked is Christian inspired nonsense. Marriage is in effect the beginning of the end of your sex life unless you make it clear that her role is primarily as companion/mother/friend and you fully intend to continue seeking sexual novelty elsewhere.
but do you honestly think a marriage like that will last with kids and all? I mean what would you tell your son and/or daughter? I truly wish it were that easy but in reality I don't think it's nowhere near that simple. However like I said, I do believe that a man absolutely has to get his rocks off to different girls in some form or another. Even if it's just a simple "sterile" hand job while fingering different pussy should suffice I hope. I have to continue to emphasize that I worry about my junk not working if I don't maintain the chase of poon.

A friend of mine at work and her boyfriend is like that now. Scary as shit if you ask me. She is 51 and asexual and her boyfriend is the same. She said that they have been dating for about 6 years and during the first 3 years they had sex occasionally but he had a back injury in their third year together and they haven't had sex since. She says that he told her that his penis doesn't work anymore and he has no sexual desires at all. I don't want that to ever happen to me.

@Cunning Stunt - yeah, it's a risky sport but I know I could never live with myself if my spouse caught a disease because of me...

[GregLondon]

but do you honestly think a marriage like that will last with kids and all? I mean what would you tell your son and/or daughter? I truly wish it were that easy but in reality I don't think it's nowhere near that simple. However like I said, I do believe that a man absolutely has to get his rocks off to different girls in some form or another. Even if it's just a simple "sterile" hand job while fingering different pussy should suffice I hope. I have to continue to emphasize that I worry about my junk not working if I don't maintain the chase of poon.

A friend of mine at work and her boyfriend is like that now. Scary as shit if you ask me. She is 51 and asexual and her boyfriend is the same. She said that they have been dating for about 6 years and during the first 3 years they had sex occasionally but he had a back injury in their third year together and they haven't had sex since. She says that he told her that his penis doesn't work anymore and he has no sexual desires at all. I don't want that to ever happen to me.

@Cunning Stunt - yeah, it's a risky sport but I know I could never live with myself if my spouse caught a disease because of me...

I think its the normal modus operandi in much of the world and historically (the wife of a wealthy man tolerating infidelity as long as its not thrown in her face and doesnt threaten the long term stability of the partnership.) Its just we are so conditioned to think in terms of the current feminist/christian inspired concepts.

[Robbaf]

I know there are a lot of older gentlemen here so I ask this to you more experienced hands. I plan on retiring in the P.I. like many of you all have already done but to those of you who are married to filipinas like I am, I just wonder how you keep your cheating on your spouse private? I mean, not just how you keep it private but morally what do you feel? I see other women too so I am in no way criticizing anyone. For me, I'm still young but I feel that I'm a man and it is just natural for us as men to mess with different pussy. I 100% know for a fact that I would NEVER EVER leave my wife and that the other girls I mess around with are only just booty calls, that's it. Nothing more. I also feel that if men don't continue to keep it diverse, their junk will possibly stop working.

But with all the diseases out there I have been wondering that maybe I should just get handjobs from the girls in P.I. after I retire there to be safe. There are skin-to-skin diseases but I could have the girls wear gloves and then I'd be totally safe. No chance of bringing anything to wife that way at all. I know I am rambling here but I'm just curious to what you older guys feel about this since a lot of you all have been there done that. Also, I want to put out that I am a strong advocate of marriage so I don't wish to talk about marriage being a waste of time. It isn't. If ones desires a solid family with kids then marriage is the only way. Period.
LL, I am curious, you state that you are young, when do you expect to retire?

IMHO, my thinking changed a lot when I was 20, 30 and 40. So if you are looking at 20 years to retirement your thinking and your life will be different.

Robb

[FreebieFan]

A hand job, with gloves doesn't sound like fun to me, but hey to each is his own. I sure wouldnt pay much to get a "sterile" hand job.Think of a Filipina with long hair... 5ft 4 and maybe 100 pounds max.

Now think of her naked with lhigh heeled eather boots that extend above her knees.
Now think of her, with long satin gloves on..the kind that go almsot up to the armpit.
Now think of the handjob.

This is what I get every visit to Manila when my friend from Pampanga comes to visit me. And I get it all on video. And of course , its free. Sounds a little better?

[Bob Bowie]

i like all the information that is shared here, especially the last couple of days. a couple of notes i have to share.

i use the websites to meet both good and fun/sexy girls. i usually try to meet the nice girls and then fill in my available time slots with fun/sexy girls.
in my opinion cb is the best site to meet real girls, that you wound want long term relationship with. it takes more effort from the scamers to get by the cb rules and they gave a great search tool and allow many different pictures.

fp is similar to cb, but does not have as much rules, so it it is easier for ladyboys, ****, and fake profiles to get by the screening process.
dia is a total free for all. since it cost no money, there are many scammers who have many diferent profiles. there are many ladyboys and they are actually welcomed there. (go to the "last active" section, it shows you about 75 current girls online. notice how the quality of girls goes down during the philippines late nights, you will notice that is when the ladyboys and hookers hang out.)

dia also only allows 1 picture, so it is harder to judge the looks of the girl.
good thing about dia is you also can easily set up a 2nd profile, to test the sincerity of some of the girls.use one profile to tell her you love kids, the other profile you say you hate kids, see how she reacts.

regarding tagalog ---my first 3 trips to the philippines, i did not know one word of tagalog. i never needed it, i was able to communicate with everyone.

just before my 4th trip, i started studying tagalog. outside of manila, it is rarely used between pinays and their friends. so if you think you can "ease drop" when they are talking in front of you, it is a waste of time as they will most likely be speaking the local language.
however, i have noticed that it grabs the girls attention if you drop in a tagalog word now and then. it shows the girls you really are interested in meeting a pinay, and not just some dude masturbating in his parents basement.

i have both pinsular and roseta stone. rs is much more interactive, you learn much faster. it even has a great speech recognition option, you don't need a special mic or headphones, just a regular laptop works fine.
the pinsular program just has you repeating the spoken words and gets boring very fast.
the programs are expensive, but just have the neighborhood geek download you a copy for some gas money.

[Laylow3]

LL, I am curious, you state that you are young, when do you expect to retire?

IMHO, my thinking changed a lot when I was 20, 30 and 40. So if you are looking at 20 years to retirement your thinking and your life will be different.

Robb
I have quite a bit of money saved up. It's a lot in my opinion at least. I have about $70,000. I plan on starting a farm there and living off the land so no need to work much after I get to that stage.

Think of a Filipina with long hair... 5ft 4 and maybe 100 pounds max.

Now think of her naked with lhigh heeled eather boots that extend above her knees.
Now think of her, with long satin gloves on..the kind that go almsot up to the armpit.
Now think of the handjob.

This is what I get every visit to Manila when my friend from Pampanga comes to visit me. And I get it all on video. And of course , its free. Sounds a little better?
Man, HELL YES!! That is what I'm talking about. I'm not sure if you're married to filipina but if you are then that's the way to do it!! Get yourself a sexy one and dress her up the way you want and then get a hand job while playing with her beautiful young body. That way it is totally safe and you're not cheating on your spouse. Excellent, FreebieFan!

[Nvslim]

A hand job, with gloves doesn't sound like fun to me, but hey to each is his own. I sure wouldnt pay much to get a "sterile" hand job.


Had an immediate flashback to "Animal House" as the cheerleader is jacking off the ROTC guy and she asks "Isn't it supposed to get hard".

Slim

[Artful]

Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.

Many thanks in advance.

[FreebieFan]

Man, HELL YES!! That is what I'm talking about. I'm not sure if you're married to filipina but if you are then that's the way to do it!! Get yourself a sexy one and dress her up the way you want and then get a hand job while playing with her beautiful young body. That way it is totally safe and you're not cheating on your spouse. Excellent, FreebieFan!Well yes and no.

This delightful scene that I described generally happens after about 3 hours of sweaty noisy and wonderful coupling. Takes me a long time to come, so my little dressed up friends efforts are at the end.. not the begininng...lol.

The question of cheating is of course wonderfully interesting.
Is it cheating to look at a girl and wonder how she is naked. We all do this.
Is it cheating to have online chats with a girl
Is it cheating to belong to such a site as here
Is a HJ cheating
Is a blow cheating or just " recreational"
Is sex without love cheating as in the cliche " it didnt mean anything"

[Dveight]

Think of a Filipina with long hair... 5ft 4 and maybe 100 pounds max.

Now think of her naked with lhigh heeled eather boots that extend above her knees.
Now think of her, with long satin gloves on..the kind that go almsot up to the armpit.
Now think of the handjob.

This is what I get every visit to Manila when my friend from Pampanga comes to visit me. And I get it all on video. And of course , its free. Sounds a little better?

For free, I sure wouldn't turn it down, but I'd like the story a lot better, if it ended with her bouncing up and down on me, instead of just jacking me off.

[Cunning Stunt]

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.Hey Art,

1) Drugs - not officially - you need a scrip. You can get antibiotics and many other drugs without, but definitely not sleeping pills, at least at large franchises such as Mercury and Generic Drug. A small, neighborhood pharmacy just might supply you without a scrip but it would be hit and miss and would involve trying a few.

2) I find that there are some good dentists in The Philippines but a lot of substandard ones (often quaintly called lady dentists as most are female here). Most of the work I have had done locally has been pretty shoddy and not lasted so I tend to wait until I hit Thailand for dental work where the standards are much higher. Saying that, if you just required some cosmetic work, you could safely get that done here but I believe it is cheaper in Thailand.

3) Get your tailoring done in Bangkok. The prices and quality are much better. I recommend Max Tinos on the second floor of Panthip Plaza. I have had my shirts made there for over twenty years anf the quality and service is second to none.

[Bob Bowie]

Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.

Many thanks in advance.I tried at least 10 drug stores asking for sleeping pills, they had never heard of Exedrin PM, Simply Sleep. They only had some useless herbal shit. Just get one of those bottles of 50 pills from Wallmart. No way on the Xanax even with with a prescription from a doctor in Davao, I could not buy any in Manila. I had to visit the doctors office in Manila, it was cheap, but took 4 hours.

I always get my dentist work done in Manila. The money I save on the crowns alone pays for the airfare. Not sure about the tooth whitening. The prices looked high in Manila because they use the same equipment as the US. There are many dental sites online from Manila.

[Hoboken56]

Just in case your mini-tour includes Phnom Penh, you can get Alprazolam (Xanax) OTC. Whatever quantity you want, from pharmacies on Monivong Blvd.

Careful travelling with them without a valid prescription. It is classified as a controlled substance and so stated in the list of illegal drugs at HK checkpoints.


Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

[Laylow3]

The question of cheating is of course wonderfully interesting.
Is it cheating to look at a girl and wonder how she is naked. We all do this.
Is it cheating to have online chats with a girl
Is it cheating to belong to such a site as here
Is a HJ cheating
Is a blow cheating or just " recreational"
Is sex without love cheating as in the cliche " it didnt mean anything"
I think girls worry about two things. The first would be losing their stability which means losing their breadwinner. The second thing would be catching some kind of disease. Personally, I don't think casual sex is cheating if it didn't mean anything but I think it is up to each individual. One has to be convinced in his own mind that it is ok because if not then it will eat you inside forever and ever. I have convinced myself regarding the cheating part but I don't think I can gamble the health of my family and myself for pussy. At least not at this point in my life. Robbaf made an excellent point when he stated that as we age, our wants/desires and needs can change. I believe what I fret about now (diseases) will be less important as I age, my kids become adults, and my wife becomes an old baket. (ilocano word for 'old woman')

[Towelboy2010]

i read this report by mr. bowie last week. i have used filipina heart since 2005 and recently tried dia (urghhhhh).
based on his observation, i decided to give cherry blossums a try.

you need to know i am looking for a wife, not a fuck-fest.

i found cherry blossums to be exceptional in the quality of people i am meeting. there are alot of nurses on this site and i have a great love of nurses because we get along so well. was engaged to a nurse in usa in 1984. best relationship i ever had. i also met some nice engineers in case you have a different fetish...lol.

cb is probably the worst place to look for a 1-nighter.

i've already connected online with 2 nurses who have visas to the us, so their motives are much less suspect. they don't need me to get here. oh btw, i am 54 and they are 33 & 27 respectively. they seem genuinely interested in finding a good husband. one even offered to pay for her plane ticket; hard to argue with that. (i am a victim of the recession).

i have been fooled before so only time will tell if my first impressions are correct. anyway, for now i say thanks to mr. bowie.

bob



i like all the information that is shared here, especially the last couple of days. a couple of notes i have to share.

i use the websites to meet both good and fun/sexy girls. i usually try to meet the nice girls and then fill in my available time slots with fun/sexy girls.
in my opinion cb is the best site to meet real girls, that you wound want long term relationship with. it takes more effort from the scamers to get by the cb rules and they gave a great search tool and allow many different pictures.

fp is similar to cb, but does not have as much rules, so it it is easier for ladyboys, ****, and fake profiles to get by the screening process.
dia is a total free for all. since it cost no money, there are many scammers who have many diferent profiles. there are many ladyboys and they are actually welcomed there. (go to the "last active" section, it shows you about 75 current girls online. notice how the quality of girls goes down during the philippines late nights, you will notice that is when the ladyboys and hookers hang out.)

dia also only allows 1 picture, so it is harder to judge the looks of the girl.
good thing about dia is you also can easily set up a 2nd profile, to test the sincerity of some of the girls.use one profile to tell her you love kids, the other profile you say you hate kids, see how she reacts.

[Member #3428]

CB is probably the worst place to look for a 1-nighter.

Good for you and good luck to you seriously.

However every girl I meet on CB I had sex with the first night. So it is a place to get one nighters or long term relationships. CB I agree I had to put more work into chatting up some girls then DIA but I think everyone on CB I nailed within a few minutes of meeting them face to face.

[Blackangst]

I have quite a bit of money saved up. It's a lot in my opinion at least. I have about $70,000. I plan on starting a farm there and living off the land so no need to work much after I get to that stage.


You know it will mostly be in your wife's name for that farm, right? And when were you thinking of retiring? $70k is a good start, but it really isnt anything close to what you'll need for retirement.

[Laylow3]

You know it will mostly be in your wife's name for that farm, right? And when were you thinking of retiring? $70k is a good start, but it really isnt anything close to what you'll need for retirement.
Yeah I know it will be in her name. Nothing I can do about that really so it's ok. Regarding $70k not being anything close to what I'll need for retirement, what extra costs are you referring to or what am I overlooking/underestimating?? I thought $70k would be plenty enough for land and a house in the provinces not the city but do please correct/clarify if I maybe am mistaken.

[Member #3428]

Yeah I know it will be in her name. Nothing I can do about that really so it's ok. Regarding $70k not being anything close to what I'll need for retirement, what extra costs are you referring to or what am I overlooking/underestimating?? I thought $70k would be plenty enough for land and a house in the provinces not the city but do please correct/clarify if I maybe am mistaken.

There is a contracted pilot for the US govt in a military installation who had a filipina wife, divorced but they have a daughter. He put land and a mango plantation in the daughters name. He is still working for years and years to supplement the farm, and family and such. His plans sound same as yours but he never so far has been able to retire and he does have a large plantation and they do sell a lot.

Good luck, but depending on your age and your needs... 70 K to live off the land isn't a lot, IF you don't have other income coming in. If you had retirement funds or other things coming in monthly then OK maybe... but 70 K alone I personally do not think it is enough.

[FreebieFan]

Good luck, but depending on your age and your needs... 70 K to live off the land isn't a lot, IF you don't have other income coming in. If you had retirement funds or other things coming in monthly then OK maybe... but 70 K alone I personally do not think it is enough.I see 70K as a very small amount. Theres the cost of a car and its upkeep, other transportation (vacations), medical, food and drinks, nights out, golf?, clothing, etcetc. The list of things that we actually spend money on is quite long.

I really see this as much too small to live on, especially as the older we get, the less we are able to generate funds. My conservative estimates states I need at least 10 times that amount. And yes I relaise we all have different needs.

[GoodEnough]

Yeah I know it will be in her name. Nothing I can do about that really so it's ok. Regarding $70k not being anything close to what I'll need for retirement, what extra costs are you referring to or what am I overlooking/underestimating?? I thought $70k would be plenty enough for land and a house in the provinces not the city but do please correct/clarify if I maybe am mistaken.
$70k is sufficient for a house and land. I think what the other guys were referring to is how you're going to live once you buy the house and land? The costs of food, clothes, medical care, transportation. furnishings and just "stuff," mount up pretty quickly.

[BionicMan]

.......The costs of food, clothes, medical care, transportation. Furnishings and just "stuff," mount up pretty quickly.
but these one would have anyhow and anywhere.
On this, we have to say, Asia (Philippines, Thailand etc ) is pretty much cheap compared to our mother countries (Europe, USA).
I think that we moderate attention one cna be rich in Asia with what appears to be poor level in western countries.
Only exception could be health care, but that depends also much on the scheme one has in his motherland. Can be pretty expensive there too.
Since people is making a decent living (have to, based on salaries that one cannot control or dictate much these days) with monthly working incomes around 1,000€ in Europe. I reckon the same monthly income (a pension? as one retires at that stage in life) can put the guy in a high level of the list.

Last but not least as somebody mentioned the property will be in "her name" (ie local girl/woman)
Very true there is a risk in that, but also very true you willnot take the property in the grave when, after 50 years, :) , you will leave this world.
It all depends if the girl does not want to wait FOR 50 years. Then, never give her your back with a knife around!
Seriously speaking at some point trust has to be there.
On the other hand as one wants to re-settle in Asia etc, it also means he does not have much personal links left back home in his motherland. So he can account the house (70k) are "lost" (once he passes away after the famous 50 yrs) but he also does not have anybody back home to get them too...

[Southbound69]

Does anybody have any experience with or know anybody that has a TESOL certificate? I know the pay isn't high but maybe as an income supplement and something to keep one's self busy it could be worthwhile? The requirements don't seem great and the cost seems reasonable to get the certificate. Yes, the Filipinos generally speak passable english but some would like to have advanced lessons before going overseas, working at call centers, or for business, etc. I understand the "rich kids" sometimes get private tutors.

Also, if any of you guys have experience with the TESOL in other countries I would appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Thanks guys.

[PolyOrchid]

I understand the "rich kids" sometimes get private tutors.
I don't know about teaching possibilities but it's also a fact that large numbers of Koreans come to the PH to study English.

Best of luck.

[Finrod]

Does anybody have any experience with or know anybody that has a TESOL certificate? I know the pay isn't high but maybe as an income supplement and something to keep one's self busy it could be worthwhile? The requirements don't seem great and the cost seems reasonable to get the certificate. Yes, the Filipinos generally speak passable english but some would like to have advanced lessons before going overseas, working at call centers, or for business, etc. I understand the "rich kids" sometimes get private tutors.

Also, if any of you guys have experience with the TESOL in other countries I would appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Thanks guys.
Try ajarn.com

[Cunning Stunt]

Also, if any of you guys have experience with the TESOL in other countries I would appreciate your thoughts on the subject. Thanks guys.

Don't know about TESOL but I did the TEFL course a few years back. It was, without doubt, the hardest, most intensive course I have ever completed and I've done a few.

You would starve to death if you relied on teaching English to wealthy Filipino kids. In middle/upper class households, English is often the first language, as well as being the lingua franca of education over here, so these kids speak excellent English.

The kids to target are those of the large Manila based Korean community, who often require intensive one on one tuition prior to enrolling in mainstream schools or colleges.

[Wicked Roger]

Good for you and good luck to you seriously.

However every girl I meet on CB I had sex with the first night. So it is a place to get one nighters or long term relationships. CB I agree I had to put more work into chatting up some girls then DIA but I think everyone on CB I nailed within a few minutes of meeting them face to face.

Tansak..........why doe this not surprise me knowing you as I do :D

The only issue is how to get 2 CB/DIA girls who have never met in the same room at same time and nail them .......a challneg but one am sure we could take on...

Seriously, I gave up with CB sometime ago as found DIA more fruitful....Cebu girl who you met in the Dusit at Xmas, is DIA (well was - she has stopped her profile now since meeting me.....am not surprised as I have this impact on the girls :D)

Am due Manila in March or April so hope to catch you in the Dusit again

[Towelboy2010]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!

[Member #3428]

Tansak..........why doe this not surprise me knowing you as I do :D

The only issue is how to get 2 CB/DIA girls who have never met in the same room at same time and nail them .......a challneg but one am sure we could take on...

Seriously, I gave up with CB sometime ago as found DIA more fruitful....Cebu girl who you met in the Dusit at Xmas, is DIA (well was - she has stopped her profile now since meeting me.....am not surprised as I have this impact on the girls :D)

Am due Manila in March or April so hope to catch you in the Dusit again

DIA is OK depending on your profiles and what your aim (type of profile) is. On the DIA side I did get the two girls together who did not know each other before, of course one was handcuffed naked in bed when the other arrived ;)

CB for me however was much more GFE, I got some really long term relationships out of CB. So I'm up for both but like you, my stable is too full so I also gave up CB.

March / April... just so happens I'll be back in Makati and Thailand during both months...

[SuperSteve]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

Personally, I wouldn't pay her anything, but..............

Tell her you will pay her the amount of her return ticket, after her visit with you. If all goes well, and she is what she says, she will get the money, and much more.

If she is a scammer, she gets the boot, with nothing out of pocket................

Health & happiness to all...............

[Manta Ray]

Don't know about TESOL but I did the TEFL course a few years back. It was, without doubt, the hardest, most intensive course I have ever completed and I've done a few.

You would starve to death if you relied on teaching English to wealthy Filipino kids. In middle/upper class households, English is often the first language, as well as being the lingua franca of education over here, so these kids speak excellent English.

The kids to target are those of the large Manila based Korean community, who often require intensive one on one tuition prior to enrolling in mainstream schools or colleges.


I have been actively involved with TESOL for over 20 years in Japan (JALT), Korea (KOTESOL), Thailand (ThaiTESOL), and Taiwan (ETAROC) and am now based here for one year while on a research leave from my university in another country.

I would agree with CS that trying to make a living teaching kids from wealthy families will probably be a non-started for the reason he pointed out. I also agree that your best bet is to target language schools and colleges (and perhaps universities if you have an MA) that cater to Korean students. The pay will most likely be much lower than you would expect elsewhere, but it would be survivable if you can get enough work. If you're interested in SE Asia, Thailand would be a better bet, though the Thais have become much stricter about working visas.

Mantaray

[Wicked Roger]

On the DIA side I did get the two girls together who did not know each other before, of course one was handcuffed naked in bed when the other arrived ;)

So I'm up for both but like you, my stable is too full so I also gave up CB.

March / April... just so happens I'll be back in Makati and Thailand during both months...
Tansak :D

We both take accessories for our trips to Asia :D Always the first things I pack when I going to Makati LOL

Never been stopped and asked why I have handcuffs and various and assoted toys and bondage gear in my bag ...one day maybe and if i say for personal use hope they dont as for a demonstration :)

Thing with the stable is you need to cull at times as it gets too much but if you find some who are kinky enough (in my case an important factor) and reliable...as well as like old fat bald buggers like me :) then the cull is always easier

See you in Makati my friend...

[FreebieFan]

Tansak :D

Never been stopped and asked why I have handcuffs and various and assoted toys and bondage gear in my bag ...one day maybe and if i say for personal use hope they dont as for a demonstration :)

See you in Makati my friend...The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.

[Sellmerch1]

I too am looking for a wife and while I am very new to this site, I am not new to the Philippines and the type of women there. I think you have answered your own questions and suspicions. Too many strange things going on with this girl you have found. I would try th eone way ticket thing to see what she says, even though you won't be able to do that with the way security is now. She will most likely play with your head on this one and make you feel as though you are bad cause you don't trust her. Move on from this one!


I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!

[GregLondon]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!

solely on what you have told us to date Id estimate 75% chance scam 25% serious. more due diligence required

[Denom]

Hi

I'll be doing a mini-tour of SE Asia soon that will include Thailand and the Philippines. It will be my first time in PH but I'm very familiar with TH. I have some questions which some of you PH experts could help me out with.

1) Drugs - Can I buy things such as sleeping pills and Xanax over-the-counter in PH?

2) Dentist - I'd like to get my teeth whitened. I've had some recommendations for places in BKK. Anything in PH that people would recommend?

3) Tailor - I want to buy some tailored shirts. Again, I know of places in BKK but would be interested in people's opinions on whether PH might be a better place.

Many thanks in advance.

1) difficult in the PH but exceedingly easy in Thailand.
2) they have really some very good dentists in the PH but you need to find them as the quality can greatly vary. You will need to get a private practitioners.
3) definitely Thailand, doesn't even compare with PH.

[Wicked Roger]

The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.
True FF and a good idea but will I remember the scissors....or ask the hotel to pop up and provide :D Reminds of a good mongering mate whose wife did this to him to stop him enjoying the delights of Manila while she slept after a long flight 9she is a long and deep sleeper he claims)...the idiot fell asleep himself

Well FF, another interesting discussion with you on accessories....must meet and swap stories/accessories....or use in a nice foursome ...just got to get the diaries sorted :D

[Member #3428]

The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.

Respect your posts but on this issue I gotta disagree.... they can bind and cut and cause pain to the girl depending how wild we are getting. Plus if the girl is learning... new... not fully into this sport... not 100% trusting of you yet the plastic cuffs can freak them out as well as hurt them.

Best is that I use a neoprene handcuff set (hands, ankle, can attach to bed in spread eagle or hog tie, arms to neck, arms to thigh etc...) that has straps and plastic clips etc... Has endless possibilities. Can even adapt to be used in certain situations on balconies and such. Are comfortable for the girl and in my experience using them not as intimidating as the plastic straps or handcuffs. For girls that are full bore into SM and want the experiences then different gear is needed as you develop your relationships and tastes.

The neoprene gear with plastic clips will not set off xray alarms and when asked at check points I explain they are fitness (work out) items to stay in shape while travelling. Which is true, nothing better then sexercise.... And it does look plausible as work out items.

Went with a leg / arm spreader recently that has a metal adjustable pole also and that as well was explained and accepted as fitness material. The full arm bondage from hands up to shoulders for behind the back in leather and a lot of metal hooks was a lot harder to explain so stopped that one as well as some other items.

Pocket Rockets are easy to get through and justify.

Funny story was going from BKK to Hanoi in November, a smart ass know it all airport checker went through my liquids carry on, one was an unmarked bottle of wet lube (like KY), standing around me was a bunch of female checkers and my rent a wife I was taking with me... and he asked what it was, I told massage oil. He smelled it, then proceeded to rub it all over his arms.... This pissed me off so I said, "sir, massage oil for females ass for use before i have anal sex with them not for your arms" The female checkers and my rent a wife died laughing at him and he got a little upset with me for some reason ;)

[Ajacobson]

The safer, more discreet alternative to handcuffs are the 15 inch plastic ties that are self adjusting. Available in all hardware stores including Ace Hardwares in Manila lol.

Users need to remember to bring a pair of scissors tho to cut the girl loose, after use.If you are into the look and convenience of disposable plastic restraints but would like to go without the possible disadvantages to the girls' well-being mentioned by Tansak KTV, you may want to consider Tuff-Ties. Similar principle but made of Nylon braids:

http://www.tufftie.com/

They are not necessarily more expensive than the (professional) plastic restraints but most likely cost a bit more than your local hardware store version (which probably doesn't even have rounded edges).

Still, not that much for the discerning hobbyist:

http://www.handcuffwarehouse.com/tufdishanres.html

[Jambo]

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket.
Thanks!!!
You should know that PI nationals do not get tourist visas. They are required to show significant assets in the bank or in property and how mmy can do that and if they can they don't need you. If she shows up there she is prob engaged or married and arrived on one of those visas. Perhaps she is my ex.

[Matius]

I need help and advice from the experienced among this forum. Again, reminder that I am looking for a wife.

I met a girl on CB who claims to be a 29 yr old nurse with a US Tourist visa and she wants to meet. She has a profile and her 1st email were both right on point with my thinking. She seems very serious about a relationship and marriage - or she is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-core scammer.

She says she works 17 hours a day / 6 days a week as a nurse in a hospital in Manila. She has been in CA before 3 years ago, but her fiancé died before they got married.???

She wants to come to the US for 15 days in about 2 weeks. She asked if we can split fare on the plane ticket. I agreed, in fact I was overjoyed at meeting a Filipina that wasn't begging for everything.

TWO years ago, I bought the plane ticket for a girl from Hong Kong to come here and visit for a week. I paid for her whole ticket. I had the best time ever showing her the sights. Had more sex than I could handle and it was clearly money well spent. Plus it was nice to be on home turf for a change with a foreigner. Rather than walking the seedy streets of Manila.

However there are a few Red Flags are popping up.

1. Her profile on CB says age 29 based on the birth date listed. In her email she says she is 33. I asked her in chat today about the discrepancy and she says 29 & that 33 was age of her former boyfriend. Who forgets their age? This makes me uneasy as it’s the small details that make me most suspicious.
2. I asked her for her mailing address to send a card. She says don’t bother we'll see each other in person in the USA before the card arrives here. It still have no address. This is a red flag, but why not just give out a fake address if she were a scammer trying to get plane fare from me in a week?
3. Her 1st email was long - 2,000 words - and seemed very personal. There was just enough detail directed at my early correspondence therein - that it was wholly believable it was written only to me. In retrospect - with some suspicion - it could be mostly a form letter with cleverly added sentences that are of a personal nature.
4. She want to come right away. This could be someone who just wants to meet me or it could be a cleverly constructed scam to get money now and move on. I have read here in the forum that Filipinas live mostly in the present and think little of the future.

My first experience may be making me too trusting. I want this girl to come here, no doubt about that IF she is who she seems to be.

My initial thought was to tell her to buy a 1-way ticket to the US and I will buy her a 1-way ticket home here so she has to come here to get it. She says she has an open B2 tourist visa, but I don’t know what that means. The only flaw in my plan is US Immigration may require her to have a return ticket in her possession when she lands.

Does anyone know a way to buy her a ticket that I can get a refund if not used and she cannot trade in for cash?

Other thoughts, comments or ideas. I greatly appreciate the help.

Thanks!!!

My observations:

1) If you are looking for a wife from the Philippines, you should come here to meet her before sending money. Dating sites are not e-bay.

2) I've never heard of a PERMANENT U.S. tourist visa and for a Filipina to get any tourist visa to the U.S. it is a long and difficult process. I've never heard of the U.S. issueing a tourist visa without knowing the address of intended stay, purpose of visit, etc. Tell her, you need a copy of the tourist visa to book the ticket. Further you need a copy of her passport, have them PDF to you. Tell her to include all entry and departure stamps in the passport. That will tell you the world and if a scam, you will never see any of this.

3)She may be older than 29, in itself a girl lying about her age, is a white lie, no? But if you get her passport you will know.

4) It seems a lot of Filipina have foreign boyfriends that died. Is this just my observation???

5) Not having a mailing address, in and of itself is not unusual here. There is poverty here unlike the U.S., if you see how many (and good people at that) live, you would understand why they don't receive mail.

6) Written English is not so easy for even the educated Filipina. Trying to be generous, she may be looking for a husband much as you are looking for a wife, and has prepared an opening introduction to prospective mates. In itself does not mean she is a scammer.

7) I find it unusual she is pressing you to come to the U.S., this is the biggest red flag in all you've written. A "good" girl is no different than dating anywhere else. I could understand her pressing you to come and meet her family here, once the relationship develops, taking it further. But "I love you" buy me an airplane ticket, is not really the nature of girls here (the good one's).

8) You are correct, even assuming she has a visa, which I doubt, she will be required to have a return ticket. In fact the airline companies won't even book a one way ticket or even an open return ticket. But to your other question, it is entirely possible to get a non-refundable, use by only named, ticket, with set dates for departure and return. What I don't think you can get is to book a ticket in the U.S. for initial departure from the Philippines. I think most airlines require you to book the ticket in the country of initial departure. Once you start booking in the Philippines--meaning send the money there, whether a ticket is ever issued is debatable. But any legitimate booking is going to require your having her passport and visa to book.

Strongly suggest you come to PH, meet the girl, see if there is chemistry, then decide on going further. If you are just trying to save money, cheaper to pay one half fare for 15 days of sex, rather than the expense of a vacation, then you pay your money and take your chances. If you are really serious in finding a wife, suggest you spend a little, take a little time and make an investment in your future.

[Laylow3]

He put land and a mango plantation in the daughters name.
yeah that’s an darn good option later on down the line. my baby wouldn’t kick me off the land no matter what.

His plans sound same as yours but he never so far has been able to retire and he does have a large plantation and they do sell a lot.
I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.

Seriously speaking at some point trust has to be there.
well my wife is a local filipina girl here in the usa. a usa citizen from birth. trust isn’t a problem between us not that her citizenship has anything to do with it but i’m just saying.

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I wonder how big is plantation is. I’m looking for something like 40-50 hectares at about 46000 pesos a hectare in the provinces.

I deal in these types of things a lot due to my work. People think if we grow it then we can sell it. It's not that easy. You secure the market first then you grow it. Unfortunately a main part of my job in SEA is works in development and I've seen a lot of issues that you are not considering.

Basically what we are all seem to be telling you in our own opinions from living / working / etc... in SEA, 70 K is not enough, you want to build a hut and grow food and eat it and do nothing else then OK maybe. But you should have a lot more, and you should keep or get a side job or something that has money coming in that will pay bills.

I love your spirit, your goals and your quest for independence... but dude... there's a lot out there you are not considering. A very wise man who family is very successful in business in province, manila, NYC, San Fran, and into politics told me point blank, the only way a foreigner will make a million dollars in his province in the Philippines is if he shows up and starts with 10 million... (if you don't understand this, he was saying they'll (the local filipino's) take 9 million but be nice and leave 1 million with the foreigner).

Don't think your wife because she is filipina will insulate you against some issues. If anything it could create more issues for you. Have you been to PI? Have you looked at operations. I believe there is money to be made in PI but you gotta have money to make the money there and usually connections or something else to get started and going. And once you are going someone usually wants to tear you down.

Good Luck...