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Small Buterfly
04-02-05, 06:09
After 4 travels to the beachgirls of Pattaya I went to Malagasy and Dominican republic, but was disappointed; pain in the ass doing anything in Malagasy with girls I met more pro than GF, still worse in RD because of rough and gready girls asking me 60USD for a ST (with no picture and no possibility to bring them in my hotel, so I took none!...).

I noticed lot of cute talkative Philippina ladies on the net, however most seem only looking for husband. Some claim they only want to be friend ; are they likely to be hookers as you can find somany in Thailand?

I feel closer to them because they speak better american , so I would be rather tempted to go to PI.

Angeles seems close, will I find freelancers as on Pattaya beach? will they allow pictures? (malagasy girls were very reluctant); and as I'm not a great monger (2 ST a day), what other leisure or trips are available during the day in AC?

After, I want to visit Visayas 1 week with some mongering during at night; which cities are the best for that ; I look for cheap hotels with lot of GF girls around as in Pattaya. If I have to take bargirls, what are the prices? is prostitution illegal? is it safe to walk at night (in Antananarivo, it's risky).

Davao seems another option , but I fear muslims attacks , and as it's very large, can I find hotel with girls near too?

I know the pavements of pattaya too much, but after my bad experience in RD, I need to take more information , your advices will be useful.

Thanks

JadedMD
04-02-05, 06:40
My aunt died of hepatitis she got from a Dentist in India. Don't make any jokes about how she got it. She was elderly, wasn't involved in the business. I would warn mongers and travelers that unfortunately even "good" medical practicioners in the 3rd world don't necesarily take what physicians in the US call 'universal precautions." Personally I would aviod medical care in the 3rd world unless completely necesary becuase you could potentially get a deadly disease.

Domino
04-04-05, 07:08
Outside of hookers, viagra and its generics, rip off CDs/DVDS, clothes, is there anything worth buying in the Philippines for personal consumption/use? It feels a shame to go there, where everything seems so cheap and return home with an empty suitcase/backpack? I did buy a bag there with a 3 year guaranteee; I got 3 days out of it. I have noticed some electronics are markedly cheaper (and, most likely, markedly inferior) to what is on offer in Japan. But, as my choice of women attests, I like a bargain.

2300: I have gone to dentists in the Philippines and Thailand and I will go again. Minuscule risk for a clean I think.

Small Butterfly: I guess you will have to go to find out. I posted some information on Davao when the bomb or bombs went off; don't sweat the small stuff. The yahoo chat babes are not p4p, though there is an increasing tendency with some of them tyo go to a private room and jerk off or whatever for you for a small fee. Hookers are too busy for that.

Member #1005
04-04-05, 08:39
Domino


Outside of hookers, viagra and its generics, rip off CDs/DVDS, clothes, is there anything worth buying in the Philippines for personal consumption/use?

I would certainly recommend the dried mangos, personally I don’t touch the Viagra and as for the DVDs/CDs or electronic stuff, etc I buy them elsewhere but the dried fruit stuff is good quality and worthy presents to bring back home.

You may also consider the handicrafts of bamboo trays, etc they make excellent presents at Christmas time; oh and don’t forget a bottle of Banana ketchup it always raises a smile.

Juniour

Faust Joe
04-04-05, 08:46
Juniour, I see you do not buy the cd's or DVD's, how come. I went to the PI and brought a ton of good quality dvd's. I made sure before I brought it the DVD's were not the kind which were filmed with a camcorder. I agree, I would not mess with V since I do not know what it is they put inside or if its reallt V at all. I do plan on buying a ton of shit while I'm over there, but I do not know if customs will allow dried friut to enter the country, do you?

Fastpiston
04-04-05, 09:06
Agreed, there is not much to buy in the Philippines. Two things may interest you. Books are quite cheap. I bought a 2004 US printed Que book on Microsoft XP for 495 Peso at National Bookstore; book showed US price $19.99 / Canada $ 30.99 / UK £14.50. Also Batangas coffee is excellent value and great quality. Of course, the women...well you know already.

Nightrider1
04-04-05, 12:38
As far as things to bring home. I just came back from 3 weeks there and I was told the Tanduay Rum is good so I brought 5 bottles of that home for souvenier presents for my kids. Was advised to get the 5 year Gold Seal Dark. Could'nt believe the price. 21 pesos at the Robinsons liquor store in Manila for 375ml. The guy saw them in my carry on at the airport and asked what was in the 5 bottles and I told him I had 5 children and they all like to drink so thats why there were 5 bottles. He just smiled. LOL.

Harvey WB
04-04-05, 16:51
Handicrafts, T-Shirts, custom made shoes and clothes. Dried fruit is OK if sealed; buy it in Cebu or the province since it is more expensive at Robinsons in MNL. I also like Baguio Coffee and the Batangas (there's some "Brothers" <Monks> coffee from Butuan, but not crazy about it.

P.S. You can only bring 1 woman home at a time and it takes about 1 year, LOL. Ah, the dried mangos are gone, but she is still here, I'm happy to say.

Domino
04-05-05, 06:48
Gents

One can get ok silver hand crafted via the good nuns at St Louis, Baguio.
I found the DVDs/CDs at Quiapo to be very very cheap, much cheaper than Thailand, but I did not buy any. Nearly all porno, which, as a paid up member of the Moral Majoritym bores me, and some good movies but I had seen any I wanted to see.
I guess the only people who come out ahead here are guys with set hobbies such as diving, where they can shop till they drop, knowing thye will use the stuff all year round.
The tourist stuff looks gauche when one brings it back to base, I think. Banana ketchup might raise a smile, but so does everything else.
Lonely Planet and such like go on about big makrets but who wants all the tourist trinket shit they sell? Not

John T Domino, patron to the hookers of SE Asia and beyond,

X Man
04-05-05, 07:52
Yes, the Tanduay Rum is GOOD stuff.

About five years ago I took an EDSA girl with me to the mall. I was looking at back packs and she highly recommended the ones by Illustrazio, which I believe are made in the Philippines. They were more expensive than the others, but i took her advice.

I still have that bag and it shows very little wear and tear despite having a lot of mileage. Also, I never experienced the problem that is mentioned in this article:
http://www.ironwulf.net/inmotion/tarak/07_running_under_sun.html

X Man
04-05-05, 07:56
And what might be a good gift to bring for a lady?

I asked one of the ladies and she said, "a wedding ring". You have to admire her honesty.

GoodEnough
04-05-05, 10:40
This is a long way to come for a few bottles of rum, though the Tanduay Dark is quite good. I notice that no one here has mentioned furniture. If you have the time, you can order really nice stuff at prices that are extremely low. The Batik is also fairly nice, though it's pretty much the same stuff you see in Indonesia. You can also buy most, if not all of the same counterfeit crap you buy in Thailand, Indonesia, Vietnam or elsewhere in the region. Clothes, DVDs, fake rolexes, etc. abound in the cheap markets and on the streets.

This is not what you would call a shopper's paradise, and most of the "snob appeal" merchandise is imported. Even the jewelry comes from China (cheap) or Italy (expensive). There's no local electronics industry to speak of. The high end stuff comes from Europe or Japan and the lower end from Korea or China. Prices are reasonably competitive, but hardly provide a reason to come. Even the diving gear is not a bargain, and most of the stuff I buy locally was actually manufactured in Italy.

Unfortunately, the Philippines' most popular export items tend to be its workers and agricultural products.

GE

Frequent Flier
04-06-05, 02:50
Well, I am getting under this ones skin whoever it is.

She or it has a fake pictures on her profile so I immediately send this message to her. I usually do this to all the fake pictures, but rarely get a response.

This is her profile.
http://www.filipinaheart.com/Member_Profile.cfm?CFID=59593718&CFTOKEN=e3c2de56589a47c5-0DC03820-E7FA-E7F3-1A0CEB6C81726F48&ID=49056

I sent her a message titled "Got ya!" and in the message I put "fake pic"

Here is the response I get:

"If that's your way of getting my attention, then tell me what does fake mean to you. Would it be fare enough if I say you have a fake picture? "Got ya" as you said. I am not hiding anything or covering up from anyone so why is it as if you sounded you found me. On the side note, I am really curious why you are looking for asian women? Can't you find someone of your same race? Perhaps you can't handle american women. True? "

So I respond to her:

Yes, when people on here post fake pictures that is what I do.
Why? Guess? You pretend to be so smart.

Of course you can tell my pictures are real as they are natural pictures. So I do not have to worry about them being mistaken for fake.

Now to give you a little advise about how to react to those you are trying to fool. To respond in anger and then to try to imply that I have some sort of problem meeting women in America or my own race only shows that I am right. Your reaction to being caught is evident by your response.

Of course I can handle American women. I just do not like liars. Like you. So are you even female? How has your scam worked so far.

You will see as in a few days FH will be removing your ad. Then you will have to go out and find another picture to post and you will because of the type of person you are.

It is also funny that you would make such a remark about me seeking an Asian girl. Then wouldn't that same question apply to you and your desire to seek a person outside your culture?

See? You really have to learn to think a little more before you try to play these games. Go ahead learn from your mistakes here, go and find another picture and try again.


Her responce to me. She sent two messages to me so here are both:

1st message:
Big deal because I don't really care if my account gets deleted. Not the end of world pal. Though people like you, excuse me I mean loosers like you spend time looking for people like us? Is this your way to attract attention? What a shame. Poor guy you are. Go find your own race. Perhaps you never had any experience yet that is why you want to be with someone so you feel dominant. You are not worth it to be with asians. Your one hell of an ugly guy Todd. In and out, you really are. Look at yourself in the mirror.


2nd message, which she titled in the subject to me as "Inspector Cruso":

On the side note, I am very curious to ask you if you get paid and how much for your time catching people posting fake pictures. That is what you do here right? As a matter of fact you are the one who told me that I have a fake picture. So prove it. Prove it that I have a fake picture. Perhaps you just want to have more pictures of me you pervert. Todd wake up. Smell the roses. You must have a very difficult childhood. So sorry to hear that. Remember, you were the one who started communicating to me. As if you own this site. You may be a "president" of your career but that does not impress anyone at all.

Haven't responded to either of these yet. I really am under it's skin it appears.

I'm going to report "it" in a few days after one more message back.

Calling me pal in the message seems like this is a man from another country other than the PI.

So what is the guess as to what this really is?
Male?
Female?
Local?
Foreigner in PI?
Other?

Domino
04-06-05, 03:29
FF: So what if she puts up a fake photo? Maybe she does not want some people to see her. The ad looked genuine enough and so does the English: there are all levels of ability there. Attacking you the way she does seems fair enough too. All these ladies bring to the party really are their pussies and they do have to preserve some self respect, even if that means answering you back.

Frequent Flier
04-06-05, 04:15
FF: So what if she puts up a fake photo? Maybe she does not want some people to see her. The ad looked genuine enough and so does the English: there are all levels of ability there. Attacking you the way she does seems fair enough too. All these ladies bring to the party really are their pussies and they do have to preserve some self respect, even if that means answering you back.


Domino?

I have always said it is not what someone says to you, but the way that you take what they say that is the meaning. It is up to each to take the information and decipher as they see fit. So I appreciate that you see this differently.

However, she is not required to post a picture. You may leave it blank as many do. So based on that do you still believe that this photo from a magazine is there for this poor honest girl to find a BF?

And do you really find the language as from a girl in the PI?

It is not the fact that she or it, defends the ad they posted. It is wording itself.

If this is the type of girls you are meeting in the PI, then I would like to monger with you one day or night and see where you are finding your prey.

FF

Domino
04-06-05, 08:46
I posted on the Davao board that I fucked real beauties. I would rate them higher than her, not that that means much. I am known on these boards as boasting about the ugly toothless hags I bonk btw;)
There are so many beauties in the Pi why bother about her. Talk about more fish in the sea. In my own particular case, I find it amazing I refuse to fuck beauties for chump change. Several of the Davao women were movie star potential in looks. Not that that matters. It is under the bonnet, performance, that matters.
I take it you did not intend to marry this lady. If you feel ok lying to her, why not also feel ok with her lying to you? That is how I feel now with skanks and I sleep a lot better at night as a result. I use them for my pleasure and then return to the real world.
In fact, if I was not such a lazy good for nothing, I would make a compilation of all the lies I have been told by these women. My hard disk, about 100 gb, is not big enough:(

Wastrel
04-06-05, 09:31
So what is the guess as to what this really is?
And do you really find the language as from a girl in the PI?
Frequent,

Instead of drawing a conclusion or offering my opinion on the matter I will scrupulously confine myself to reporting my recent direct personal experience.

This morning I stumbled into the coffee shop of one of the old downtown Las Vegas joints for their cheap steak and eggs breakfast special. Like so many of the hotel/casinos in town, they employ a number of Philippine-Americans. Becuase of my fondness for people from the Islands, I chatted her up and learned, among other things, that this articulate lady in her fifties came to the USA when she was a very young woman, and is now preparing to take retirement after about three decades of serving her working class American customers all day and going home to her American ex-Navy husband every night ever since she emigrated and became an American herself about thirty years ago.

Her communication was nowhere near as Americanized as those you received from he/she/it from the personals website. Not close.

Wastrel

Tutti Frutti
04-06-05, 17:43
I would have to add that a filipina with a Bachelors degree and working in avionics(flight attendant?) most likely would have excellent command of the English language.

Frequent Flier
04-07-05, 00:34
It isn't something I spend my life worrying about.

Of course I could move on and go plant a garden and do some yoga, but I'm not upset by this.

I just saw this ad and as I do sometimes I hit her with the fake pic message. Trust me this is a scanned magazine pic.

The reason I do this is that they are obviously out to scam some guy, so I figure I'll give them a little aggravation on the way. I just like to play games with those on these sites who try to pull the scam.

I will sometimes respond to those Nigerian get rich emails to see how far I can get them to go with me. I used to have some standard responses to get them to waste their time with me, but that hard drive crapped out a few years ago.

I thought her or it's response was very unlike a Filipina. That is all and as others had showed interest about FH or other Internet sites here in the past, I thought I would show what is out there to be careful of and as a little game see what others may have thought I was really dealing with.

GoodEnough
04-07-05, 00:44
FF:
I thought I was the only one to respond to the Nigerian scammers! I typically try to interest them in buying shares in the Eiffel Tower, and once I tried to sell the Verrazano Narrows Bridge. Funny how it never seems to work for me. I did actually go a couple of rungs up the ladder with a scammer in Ghana once, and then I turned the cops on him. I'm not sure what happened after that, but I never saw him again.

GE

Timber Tree
04-09-05, 22:51
If any of you fellow monger want to try good Filipino Cuisine. There is a place called "Kamayan". It has a Filipino/American/Japanese cuisine it's a buffet place. The Filipino dishes are specialties from different towns. Lunch cost around $6-$8. They also have snack (merienda) that cost $1.25.

Also never drink from a faucet, if you plan to ruin your stay. Always buy bottled water.

Harvey WB
04-10-05, 02:27
Where is Kamayan, seems I've heard of it.

In Davao, I liked Apung Kula (small chain) on Rizal and also across the river; Jack's Ridge, the scene of my "famous" dinners (one time, me, a colleg dean friend from Gensan, my "sister" Mildie, 36 Cherry Blossom Chatters (one stunner, 5'5", 18 YO came from Gensan) and a father of one of the girls. I think it cost me P2200. More would have come but the Jeepnies don't run by there, you have to take a taxi, didn't know that till after I left. My wife and Mildie loned Dencia's around the corner from the Apo and there was another place that sounded like Dencia that they also liked. Haranna for ribs, loved the place, but the ribs were eclipsed by other dishes in 2003.

In Cebu, love the Marriott breakfast. There's also a "Nipa Hut" place not far from the casino that was good, one of the "cultured" Filipina businesswomen that I met in MNL took me there for dinner early on in my first trip. There are a couple of restaurants on stilts just off Olango Island that were good but one of them had a spyglass to see when "foreignors" were coming, got slightly ripped off there and always went to the other one afterwards.

In Baguio, the Cooks Inn, part of a hotel that I stayed in just up from Burnham Park (The Burnham?) was good, great seafood stew and coffee. Also "Cafe by the Ruins" in Burnham Park (northern end) was good.

Bali Hai in Bauang, Aussie owned resort was great (except for Mongolian Night, had better here in US, I don't think their wok gets hot enough. Great breakfasts tho. I had my fiance and another "friend" (kind of like an old GF of mine-her point of view, friend was mine) with me on last trip there in 2002 and I told them to try the Mango Shake (P90) and then they did at every meal, LOL, meanwhile I'm now counting my Pesoes, LOL and not ordering one for myself! Funny story about the "friend". I gave my fiance my neat Panasonic cell phone, after erasing the numbers (wrong). After I retuen to US and she gets home from HK, she call me and says"Oh honey, guess what? So ans so texted me and thought I was you!" This happened a few times, but when she said my "friend" texted me, I called my "friend" who said that she actually got a text and a call from her, LOL. They became great friends and met a few times (this was a purely platonic friendship, so no worries on my part), so when we were in Laoag, I invited her to join us and she did for the next week and a half. So guys, before giving your cell away, buy a new sim for it!

Timber Tree
04-10-05, 21:56
If you are in Makati. There is a place in Glorietta, as always the best way to get there is via taxi. Just tell the taxi driver, "Glorietta", then "Kamayan". They should not have a hard time finding it.

If you are in Manila, tell the taxi driver "Parde Faura", then "Kamayan".

You will find the better Filipino cuisines in the "Kamayan" restaurant.


Where is Kamayan, seems I've heard of it.

Harvey WB
04-13-05, 01:43
I guess I saw the one on Padre Faura, will try it next trip, thank you.

Tried Zamboanga on Adriatico, was with 2 other couples, couldn't attend one of the couple's wedding in Davao later that week, so I picked up the tab, nearly choked, P7,000! The Korean fiance of the best man had asked to see a crab and a lobster, believe she ordered th crab (both were huge) and of course, they served both. Food was good but I wouldn't call it great.

DimSum place across from Robinson's Mall was good, ate there a couple of times when I wanted a good, quick meal.

My wife is fond of Kenny Rogers' in Robinsons and the food court there also. I usually get a headache the first couple of visits to the food court (not from eating), then I'm fine.

Teddy Bear 99
04-13-05, 07:12
It's actually a chain of restaurants throughout Manila and suburbs. The one in Ermita is on Padre Faura four blocks west (towards the bay) from Robinson's Mall across from the PAL office. The main name on this location is Dad's. Its an all you can eat buffet style restaurant. Dad's combines Kamayan with a Japanese all you can eat buffet that also includes sushi and sashimi. The total cost for Dad's (both) during lunch was 495 pesos. Whee else can you sample the delicacies of the Philippines with all you can eat sushi for less than $10 USD.

One Tree Hill
04-22-05, 04:59
If you want to vist a few places in Asia this is a great deal on CAthay Pacific..you can litterally hop scotch all over if you like for $1099

check it out: http://www.cathay-usa.com/offers/aap/subdefault.asp

Genghois
05-07-05, 01:36
Hey friends,

Where would you stay, for a few days. I've got eight days that I'll spend in Angeles and Manilla, but would like some advice on where to stay in the big town.

Member #1005
05-07-05, 17:48
Genghois

Depends on what your preference is in Makati you are nearby to the bars of Burgos Street and Greenbelt, the malls of Rockwell and Ayala. A big plus, the area has plenty of accommodation, ATMs and wide choice of eateries, all within walking distance. It really depends on whether price is a factor, type of deal you can get or how long you are looking to stay, but l would go with Makati personally.

Juniour

Mikster
05-09-05, 19:05
I would stay near EDSA. Its alot cheaper and you have EDSA and LA Cafe in very close proximity, then you will have more cash for AC. Try the Copacabana Hotel, you can get a great deal there, a beautiful swimming pool and you can walk across the street to EDSA, 15 minutes to LA Cafe. Burgos St. bars are way more expensive, booze and chicks alike. You can always grab a taxi and run over to Burgos one early afternoon or night to check it out. At the Copacabana, you can literally walk across the street, find a girl, and within ten minutes be banging her if you wish. Only ad another 15 for LA Cafe chicks. There are other bars around LA Cafe that you can hit as well. Not far from the airport either. They can get you a safe taxi that works for the hotel to AC for a decent price, or the Swagman Bus is not far for very cheap.

Have a good time whatever you decide.

Milkster

GoodEnough
05-09-05, 23:34
I'm with Juniour here in that I would go with Makati. True, the price and proximity of women is lower in EDSA, but Makati represents a truly nice, livable urban environment whereas EDSA does not. There's just more to do in Makati during the time you're not getting laid and even aside from Burgos, there is probably a greater variety of places in Makati than ini EDSA. Besides, during the evening, EDSA is only a ten minute cab ride away, and LA Cafe and its environs are only about 20 or 25 minutes.

GE

Surferr3
05-09-05, 23:48
glad i caught this thread today. i'm booking my room for june this week. i'm leaning towards makati as well. can you reccommend a nice hotel with high speed, girl friendly, etc.

i was leaning towards the renaissance as it looks like prime location and has high speed. i'm assuming they're guest friendly as most of them are. rates are showing up around 140 us per night but i havent tried priceline.com.hk yet. mandarin and penninsula look similiarly priced.

my other option is the westin philippine plaza using frequent flyer points. its in pasay.

any thoughts? i searched the threads but could find the specifics i was looking for. thanks much and obrigado.

Cebu Local
05-09-05, 23:49
I am kinda biased being a Makati Resident whenever I am in Manila,But there is a greater variety of restaurants and bars,the place is cleaner and safer also.Like GE said,Edsa and Ermita are only 20 minutes away.The Burgos area is particularly "Kano" friendly and is safe to wander around even at 3 am in the morning,Pasay(Edsa) is defenitely not as safe.Prices are higher though,but put it in perspective,would you make a big deal if stuff was 5$-10$ more expensive,if the tradeoff was safety and convenience,.

Surferr3
05-10-05, 00:03
It seems like the Mandarin Oriental and Penninsula have really good rates when I'll be in town. Are the higher class hotels girl friendly?

Thanks again for the trouble.

Mikster
05-10-05, 01:00
The women are definitely more than $5 or $10 higher in Makati bars than in EDSA and LA Cafe is dirt cheap. I guess it depends on what you want and how much you want to spend.

Good Luck

Mikster

GoodEnough
05-10-05, 05:39
Surfer:

I have stayed in both. No problem with either of them, or for that matter with any hotel in which I have ever stayed here.

Sugoi
05-11-05, 00:44
OK. I have a question for anyone who wants to answer. How many of you have started to actually care about a girl you spent time with? I know that the regular mongers know not to let emotions ever play a part in their mongering but for those of us who only monger on occasion like me, have you ever started to have feelings for a girl?

The first time I went to a KTV last year, I was with my wife's 2 brothers and father and we each had a girl sitting with us. I was too embarrassed to even touch the girl due to my brother-in-laws and father-in-law being there with me but I started to actually enjoy talking with the petite, 19 year old student I was sitting with. I felt like she was someone I could spend time with if situations were different (if I wasn't married...) but fortunately I never got her number.

About a month ago, I went to another club and spent some time with a girl and enjoyed the conversation even though I don't speak Tagalog. Her English wasn't as good as the girl from the year before but she was much more beautiful and had a fun and "innocent" personality. Saw the same girl a second time and she gave me her #. Saw her a third time and we had a great time again and we have been texting each other on a regular basis.

I know one of the first rules of mongering is not to let emotions play a part in your hobby. But, I am by no means a regular monger and I'm just wondering if a similar situation has happened with anyone here.

Teddy Bear 99
05-11-05, 02:09
If you go back and read the forum, this has been talked about before. Many guys start to get feelings for these girls, but wake up when he realizes that she is only after your money or she is begging you to marry her and take her back to your home country. These bar girls are taught to be manipulative so that they can get the most money out of you as they can. While she is talking to you, she is also talking to who knows how many other men. They only have a short time that their looks are attractive enough to make money, then they spend it on their family back in the provinces since they are the only ones with an income.

Now, my advice would be to be friendly with her, text/see her as long as you can afford it, she may actually give it to you for free. Just be ready for her big letdown when she finally learns you are married and she moves on.

Just my 2 cents from someone who almost ruined a 13 year marriage for the fantasy of the younger beautiful girls the PI has to offer.

Ted

Sugoi
05-11-05, 09:33
Hi Ted,

I actually read about this before but I think this is a little different (aren't they all...) :). I have read the entire forum but I have to admit that when I read it, it was several months ago and now I just check every day or so for updates so I don't remember everything.

I am not thinking about ruining a marriage but she has known I am married from the beginning. She knows I am in the US and do not have an anticipated return date and has never asked for a thing. I have sent her a couple of cell phone loads which she has used almost entirely to text me.

I have to say that at first I didn't fully believe her and thought she might just be after money and even thought one of her friends might have been the one texting me at times but I know that is not the case. I have called and spoken with her several times and I am pretty sure I know her pretty well. She has been upfront with me on several things and told me several things she did not need to tell me and several things she could have easily lied to me about.

I am 100% positive that she will give it to me for free. The times we "fooled around" at the club she never asked for money and one time she even left to perform on stage before I gave her anything. I decided to wait for her and give her some money even though my friends were telling me to leave.

I have seen other girls who will play that game with people as you mentioned but I know she is not like that. As I was thinking about her I just began wondering if others had encountered similar situations.

Thanks for your input.

Sugoi

Pure Logic
05-17-05, 07:12
It was in the Philippines, in the modest home of a woman in Zambales, that I saw a DVD for the first time. “It looks just like a CD,” I remarked. She replied that I should know since I live in the US and have worked in the electronics industry for many years. I told her that I don’t even own a radio or a TV and that the cell phone I used to communicate to her was the first one I ever had.

When I depart, she wants me to take the tricycle or jeepney. I tell her I’ve been sitting all day and need to walk for a while. Whenever I go somewhere with a Filipina and we walk for a minute or two to reach the next jeepney stop or whatever, she asks if it’s ok to walk. The idea is that since I’m rich, I’m probably used to going everywhere by car and that taking 100 steps using my own feet must be demeaning.

In my view, the noise and pollution caused by tricycles and the benefit of physical exercise is enough reason to view walking as the nobler means of transportation. Yet it makes sense to me that someone might view motorized transport as more modern and prestigious and thus walk only when there is no alternative. What doesn’t make sense to me is how tricycles can fit in the budget of the average Filipino.

Paying 15P to save yourself a 10 minute walk or 30P to save yourself a 20 minute walk seems nonsensical, and that is ignoring the fact that foot traffic sometimes moves faster. When you try to support multiple people on a 10000P/month salary, most of that would have to go to pay for transportation. When I observe how Filipinos spend money on food, I conclude that most of it must go to pay for food. It seems at least 20-30% of income is needed to pay for rent and utilities. From what I’ve seen, 10% seems like a conservative estimate for how much is spent on cell phones. Perhaps 20% goes to pay for gifts, presents, celebrations, not to mention weddings. And there’s the school tuition to pay for and the alcohol and cigarettes. Filipinos don’t skimp on pharmaceuticals either. Regular visits to the barber for 30-40P are in the budget as well. And don’t the women use pantiliners?

I am fortunate to have lived with a lower-class Filipino family for about a month in a self-made home with no plumbing. As a result, I know of other types of expenses that I wouldn’t otherwise have thought of.

The family would purchase all items in small quantities. For example, detergent, shampoo, cigarettes, toilet paper, or candy are purchased in single use packages or one at a time from a neighbor’s store, making the price a little higher than at the supermarket. (I wouldn’t be surprised if the neighbor actually buys the items at the supermarket and then resells them locally for a profit.)

Every couple of days, the lottery guy would come by to announce some winning number and to collect the new bets. This lottery is not a true game of chance, but based on the stories I heard, it seems they’ll let you win on purpose the first or second time you play to convince you that it’s a game worth playing and to get you hooked. This simple trick is remarkably effective.

The most interesting surprise, however, was that the husband, a driver by profession and the breadwinner of the family, had been spending half his salary on another woman for several years. He would go out with her on weekends with the excuse that he had to work overtime.

Can the Filipinos’ ability to spend more money than they have be explained? When I brought up this question to one of the girls I met in the Philippines, she said, that’s why you have to pray to God and hope for the best.

My friends and acquaintances in the US appear to be much more sensible with regard to personal finance. They’re savvy enough to shop around for good deals and are sensitive to prices of smaller ticket items such as gasoline and food. They have at least ten times the income. With superior money management skills and higher income, one would expect them to lead better lives. As far as I can tell, Americans work longer and harder and have less leisure. The least we could do is retire at a young age or work only part of the year.

Member #1005
05-17-05, 09:01
Pure Logic

I don’t think you can ever understand the mind of a Philippino 100%, I agree that when I am there walking in the sunshine is one of the few things I actually enjoy. But to do this with a local they think you’re mad. In Makati I walked several times to Ayala Mall a journey of no more than 20 minutes, but if I had someone with me, this was nearly impossible. I managed this once dragging the girl from every passing jeepney, maybe they think only poor people walk.

In Angeles city, I would walk to Robinsons Mall there is not much up there to do in AC but it helps to pass 15 minutes in the sunshine listening to music. I have also stayed with a Philippino family in Butuan City, Mindanoa in the late 80’s and despite thinking I understood them I still find I am learning something new every day.

What always strikes me is that when you take them out instead of drinking freshly squeezed fruit juice or boco (coconut) water (which is expensive here) what do they want, a bottle of coca cola, which in some places is more expensive than the natural – better for you alternatives. When some of these girls do have a little money on them they don’t tend to have the mind-set to spend some, save a bit for later (a rainy day) – but instead fritter it all away, as fast as you can, then remain broke until they have money again. Ask yourself, how many girls have you ever met who actually have a bank account in the Philippines? And I am talking about middle class girls I know, who don’t have bank accounts.

Juniour

Sugoi
05-17-05, 09:39
I've wondered about a lot of those things too. Everyone seems to have a cell phone with a camera but the last time I looked, they go for about 5000+. Considering that a decent monthly salary is about 10,000, that's half of their monthly income. Many people have phones that are even nicer than that. That's like saying if the AVERAGE monthly income is $3000/month in the US that someone would spend $1500 on a cell phone.

I am sure that most of us make much more than that and we would never consider spending $1500 on a cell phone...

Ilongo_boy
05-17-05, 14:40
Other than cell phones, Philippines is also the capital for network marketing AKA pyramid schemes. I hate to generalize but it seems that majority always want the 'get rich quick' scheme where at the same time it took them so long to save all that money only to throw it all away.

But at the end of the day, you can'te blame them given that they probobly only had elementary education and don't know the basics. Its a country where the rich keeps getting richer and smaller and the middle class and the poor keeps getting larger and the purchasing power of the peso gets weaker.

IB

Cebu Local
05-18-05, 00:43
I've wondered about a lot of those things too. Everyone seems to have a cell phone with a camera but the last time I looked, they go for about 5000+. Considering that a decent monthly salary is about 10,000, that's half of their monthly income. Many people have phones that are even nicer than that. That's like saying if the AVERAGE monthly income is $3000/month in the US that someone would spend $1500 on a cell phone.

I am sure that most of us make much more than that and we would never consider spending $1500 on a cell phone...
they can buy them on installment plans of up to 2 years to pay,Thats why they can afford them

GoodEnough
05-18-05, 00:44
I'm not sure that Western logic exists here, even as a theoretical concept, and I am relatively certain that there's no understanding whatsoever of the laws of cause and effect. The absence of any paradigm that makes sense to Westerners makes this a difficult country to understand and I often say that the longer I live here the less I truly "get it."

Unlike the more developed countries, there's no system of ready credit here, but I've noticed an informal system of paying on time. As far as I can see, basically everyone owes money to everyone else, and the money is repaid in dribs and drabs. This may explain the expensive cell phone phenomonon. There's also very little here in the way of preplanning. I've said before that for a typical Filipina, long range planning is deciding at breakfast what you might like to have for dinner. I don't know if this is because day-to-day survival is such a hassle for most people that planning is an irrelevant concept, or if there's something deeper in the culture that discourages thinking ahead. This whole place functions on the basis of a "let's see what tomorrow brings" philosophy.

The lack of any planned follow through is also reflected in the politics (and politicians) of the country, which are characterized by the highly-publicized announcement of grandiose plans, few if any of which are actually implemented...ever. That's why it's possible for the President to announce a major fiscal crisis one month, and three or four months later announce that because of the effective government programs put in place less than six months ago, the crisis has abated. It's all pure crap, but people pretend at least to believe it.

In short, this is a place ruled almost entirely by fatalistic impulsiveness the best metaphor of which is probably the erratic behavior of drivers in Davao and elsewhere.

:D

GE

Fastpiston
05-18-05, 08:30
Most funds used to buy cars, mobiles, house and lots comes principally from remittances sent by Philippine people working abroad and to a lesser extent, from foreign men. Major sectors of the economy live on this flow, namely retail trade, banks and real estate.

Fastpiston
05-18-05, 08:38
Has anyone any news of budget airlines flying the MNL BKK route? If so kindly give details. I heard that a Thai budget airline was going to do the route in the near future?

Pure Logic
05-19-05, 07:59
The paradox I initially tried to communicate was that according to western logic, the sum of expenditures cannot exceed the sum of incomes.

Most of the discussion related to how Filipinos don’t spend money wisely. This discussion hinted at a related paradox: Common sense suggests that when you’re poor, you must budget wisely or suffer unpleasant consequences, such as having no food to eat, no clean clothes to wear, or being homeless. I find it remarkable how well the poor are able to make ends meet.

Perhaps GoodEnough suggested the best explanation for the second paradox. The Filipinos have a social network in which everyone lends money to everyone else. This doesn’t produce any net gain, but if you don’t spend your money right away you’ll be obligated to give it away to someone else. The person who has nothing can ask for help, so it’s better to have nothing.

To the first paradox, Cebu Local suggested installment plans, but what would prevent someone from running away with a new cell phone without having paid for it? Or how would one force someone to make payments who doesn’t have any money? However, the explanation is logical in that it shows how something can be obtained for no payment. Bartering would be another example of this type of explanation because it shows that the overall expenses are less than what one would expect.

A second type of explanation involves a hidden source of income as Fastpiston suggested. I think his explanation resolves most of the paradox. It would be an interesting social experiment to outlaw sending money back home and to observe if the economy would continue to support all the fast food places, the compulsive text messaging, Bingo halls, and movie theaters.

A third type of explanation would be to argue that Filipinos only appear to consume a lot on the surface. An example would be to argue that the typical family will starve for several days when they run out of funds, but continues spending money on expensive items to make it appear like they are well off.

Whatever the explanations may be, I would like to argue that the Filipinos’ carefree spending habits make them saner than those who live in wealthier countries. Since money by itself has no meaning or value, it is only sensible to exchange it for something meaningful whenever possible. Even when they make questionable choices in their purchases, they are avoiding the more foolish mistake of saving it in order to derive pleasure from the mere possession of something. The Filipinos spend what they earn and therefore live good lives.

The high-income earners, on the other hand, cannot possibly spend all the money they earn in a way that is personally meaningful. The sane remedy would be to work less and to enjoy more leisure time. Quite on the contrary, the more we earn (think doctors, lawyers, and engineers), the harder we tend to work and the more stressed we tend to be.

Modern technology has increased productivity to the point where the only way to keep us all working 40 hours a week is to invent huge industries that make each other necessary, but provide no meaningful value to us. As an example, observe how efficient the transportation system is in Manila compared to Los Angeles, which to my knowledge is the city most dominated by private transportation in the whole world.

In LA, private transportation keeps many people employed from car salesmen and auto mechanics to insurance agents and construction workers. Yet all the “work” they do doesn’t improve life. The use of jeepneys would reduce air pollution and relieve traffic congestion and would allow the city to shrink (by removing unneeded parking lots and roads) so that less transportation is needed in the first place.

By buying houses and cars with our money, we are doing precisely what I praise the Filipinos for not doing. We are deriving pleasure from the mere possession of something. The ownership, in turn, creates more responsibility and work for us, which are in addition to working full-time. I conclude that the citizens of developed countries work more for less and must therefore be considered more insane than the Filipinos.

A great example of such an insane person is myself. I truly believe in the conclusion I have drawn and yet I continue to work like I’ve been deprived of my wits. I have no need to work, yet I work because I have nothing better to do with my time and money. I have been trained and taught my whole life to live to work, and now I can’t seem to find a way to stop.

Mahku
05-19-05, 15:17
About economics and our chosen hobby, etc. here is something a friend sent me:


The daughter had not been to the house for over 5 years. Upon her return, her father cussed her out:

"Where have you been all this time, you ingrate! Why didn't you write us? Not even a line to let us know how you were doing? Why didn't you call? You little tramp! Don't you know what you put your Mom through??!!"

The girl, crying: "Sniff, sniff.. dad.. I became a PROSTITUTE..."

"WHAT? Out of here, you shameless harlot, sinner! You're a disgrace to this family! I don't ever want to see you again!"

"OK, Dad. As you wish. I just came back to give Mom this fur coat and title to a mansion, a savings account certificate of $5 million for my little brother, and for you, Daddy, this gold Rolex, the spanking new BMW that's parked outside and a lifetime membership to the Country Club.. and an invitation for you all to spend New Years' Eve, on board my new yacht in the Riviera,
and ..

"Now what was it you said you had become?"

Girl, crying again: Sniff, sniff "A prostitute Dad!"

"Oh, Gee! you scared me half to death, girl! I thought you said "A PROTESTANT! Come here and give your old man a hug!"

EmailKid
05-20-05, 03:29
Has anyone any news of budget airlines flying the MNL BKK route? If so kindly give details. I heard that a Thai budget airline was going to do the route in the near future?

I did BKK-MNL one way in February on Philippine Air for around $200 IIRC.

There are several LCCs operating out of BKK and SIN as well as KUL. You can book BKK-SIN for as low as 25 or 30 dollars, though that fare isn't always available.

If you want to save some money you may be able to book a couple of tickets on AirAsia, Jet*Asia, TigerAir, ValueAir and a few others that don't recall now. Just do a Google search.

You will have to connect in KUL or SIN and change planes / airlines, and it will cost you some time. OTOH, a couple of those airlines actually fly into CRK (Clark Air Base in Angeles), which will save you the hassle of getting from Manila to AC. Don't believe all the airlines fly to CRK 7 days a week.

Tiger is one of the airlines that flies to CRK, but that will normally set you back more than $50.

EMK

Frequent Flier
05-20-05, 20:17
Thanks Mahku!

Dog Face
05-22-05, 14:39
I would how things are in Angeles City around Xmas time and New Years. i am planing a trip some in Dec. 25. Would I be wasteing my time, or should I go in late March?

Thank you,

Dog face

Cebu Local
05-22-05, 23:37
Has anyone any news of budget airlines flying the MNL BKK route? If so kindly give details. I heard that a Thai budget airline was going to do the route in the near future?
Thai Air Asia is planning to in the near future and Thai Airways is going to be flying to Cebu soon also

Cebu Local
05-22-05, 23:40
I did BKK-MNL one way in February on Philippine Air for around $200 IIRC.

There are several LCCs operating out of BKK and SIN as well as KUL. You can book BKK-SIN for as low as 25 or 30 dollars, though that fare isn't always available.

If you want to save some money you may be able to book a couple of tickets on AirAsia, Jet*Asia, TigerAir, ValueAir and a few others that don't recall now. Just do a Google search.

You will have to connect in KUL or SIN and change planes / airlines, and it will cost you some time. OTOH, a couple of those airlines actually fly into CRK (Clark Air Base in Angeles), which will save you the hassle of getting from Manila to AC. Don't believe all the airlines fly to CRK 7 days a week.

Tiger is one of the airlines that flies to CRK, but that will normally set you back more than $50.

EMK
Tiger Airways will be going from 3 times a week to Daily from Singapore,Air Asia is 3 times weekly from KL.Both flying directly into Clark.Value Air does not fly into the Philippines yet and Jetstar flies into Manila

Cebu Local
05-22-05, 23:48
[QUOTE=Pure Logic]The paradox I initially tried to communicate was that according to western logic, the sum of expenditures cannot exceed the sum of incomes.

Most of the discussion related to how Filipinos don’t spend money wisely. This discussion hinted at a related paradox: Common sense suggests that when you’re poor, you must budget wisely or suffer unpleasant consequences, such as having no food to eat, no clean clothes to wear, or being homeless. I find it remarkable how well the poor are able to make ends meet.

Perhaps GoodEnough suggested the best explanation for the second paradox. The Filipinos have a social network in which everyone lends money to everyone else. This doesn’t produce any net gain, but if you don’t spend your money right away you’ll be obligated to give it away to someone else. The person who has nothing can ask for help, so it’s better to have nothing.

To the first paradox, Cebu Local suggested installment plans, but what would prevent someone from running away with a new cell phone without having paid for it? Or how would one force someone to make payments who doesn’t have any money? However, the explanation is logical in that it shows how something can be obtained for no payment. Bartering would be another example of this type of explanation because it shows that the overall expenses are less than what one would expect
Actually I have a good insight because Smart and Globe Telecom are both clients of mine and there is a high 25% default rater on phones bought on installment under the different plans.But since the markup is so high,they are still ahead even with the 25% default rate

Pure Logic
05-23-05, 01:35
In my view, the evolutionary reasons for humor lie in teaching morality. By laughing at something, we make it clear that it is completely inappropriate and not to be taken seriously. As adults, we are hardly being taught anything, since we've heard the same type of thing many times before. Yet eventually a joke will find its way to a younger more impressionable audience.

Mahku's joke teaches that


prostitution is cause for moral indignation
it is inappropriate to regard money as so much more important than one's moral values
hypocrisy is bad
forgiveness should not be based on self-interest
one should not be so obvious about one's hypocrisy

Without these moral assumptions, the joke wouldn’t be funny.

The practical effect of the joke, as well as most jokes of our time, is to affirm a kind of cynicism, a certain hopelessness and pessimism that permeates our culture. It’s absurd that the father values the material junk that his daughter brought home, but oh, well, there’s nothing we can do about it. That’s human nature. People have lost the ability to take themselves or the world seriously; hence, their preference for laughing things off with a good sense of humor.

Sugoi
05-25-05, 07:27
I will be working in the Ortigas area for a little over a month and am looking for a decent hotel with a decent monthly rate. I am starting a call center so the room is coming on my dime so I would like to get something decent at a reasonable price.

Any suggestions?

Genuis8
05-25-05, 21:42
Sugoi,

Try this website www.asiatravel.com and see if you can find something in the Ortigas area to stay.

Sugoi
05-25-05, 23:48
Sugoi,

Try this website www.asiatravel.com and see if you can find something in the Ortigas area to stay.

I looked at that but not knowing the area nor the hotels, I don't know which ones are any good. So, I'm looking for people who know the area who can offer a hand.

Thanks.

Black04
05-26-05, 01:01
Anyone have some good tips for me, either makati or edsa, besides LA Cafe? is it pronounced L.A. Cafe or la cafe?

To all that pm thanks.

Thanks all.

GoodEnough
05-26-05, 11:54
Black 04:

The L.A. Cafe is in Ermita, not Edsa or Makati. However, if you're walking up Del Pilar (the street on which LA Cafe is located) you will find three or four bars, including Amazon and then there's Jarrasic directly across the street. The EDSA complex has about 15 bars, but there are several others throughout the area. Also the new entertainment complex in Paranaque is supposed to be decent, though I've never been. In Makati itself there's Burgos St. and it's 10 or 15 bars, and dozens more throughout the area, including all the places in Green Hills.

Better to decide where you want to be. For me, it's always Makati, but others like different places.

GE

Black04
05-26-05, 17:16
Black 04:

The L.A. Cafe is in Ermita, not Edsa or Makati. However, if you're walking up Del Pilar (the street on which LA Cafe is located) you will find three or four bars, including Amazon and then there's Jarrasic directly across the street. The EDSA complex has about 15 bars, but there are several others throughout the area. Also the new entertainment complex in Paranaque is supposed to be decent, though I've never been. In Makati itself there's Burgos St. and it's 10 or 15 bars, and dozens more throughout the area, including all the places in Green Hills.

Better to decide where you want to be. For me, it's always Makati, but others like different places.

GEThanks GE.

Am I right to assume that Makati is the closest to the center? And from there I can get to Edsa, Ermita, QC in a reasonable amount of time? I kinda want to hit a different city every other night, but well see.

I'm not going to stress myself out, it's not like Manila and surrounding cities are as huge as LA or NY metros.

Vinnie1369
06-02-05, 03:12
I realize people always put up travel agent info. I am looking for new updated info if anyone has any. I have to go from NYC to Manila. Cheapest I have seen is $1199 and that is Korean Airlines going from NYC to Seoul and then on to Manila from there. I am going to assume there is a refuel stop in there somewhere but the travel agent never emailed me that info.

I know there are packages during the winter (US WINTER) that are as low as $700 or so. Unfortunately, I am moving there for a job opportunity and I am responsible for my own ticket. I am not happy about that but the money is good and it is a chance to get paid to live in the land of booze and broads. Adult Disneyland here I come!

As I said earlier. If anyone has any new updated info for travelling to Manila during July/August I would be mighty grateful.

GoodEnough
06-03-05, 16:00
Vinnie:

I would suggest you contact a travel agent in the PI and ask for a quote on PAL. If you need the name, address and email contacts of some agents here, send me a PM and I will forward them to you.

Black04:

Actually the metro Manila area is pretty enormous, and the idiocy of the drivers, the lack of many large freeways, and the sheer volume of traffic combine to make it difficult, during certain times, to travel from one part to another. It has taken me more than 90 minutes, on occassion, to get from parts of Quezon City to Makati. However, during prime womanizing hours, you can get fairly easily from Makati to Ermita in about 20 minutes and to EDSA in 10 or 15. You can also make it from Makati to the new complex in Paranaque in 20 minutes or so by taxi.

:D

GE

Cebu Local
06-04-05, 00:44
I realize people always put up travel agent info. I am looking for new updated info if anyone has any. I have to go from NYC to Manila. Cheapest I have seen is $1199 and that is Korean Airlines going from NYC to Seoul and then on to Manila from there. I am going to assume there is a refuel stop in there somewhere but the travel agent never emailed me that info.

I know there are packages during the winter (US WINTER) that are as low as $700 or so. Unfortunately, I am moving there for a job opportunity and I am responsible for my own ticket. I am not happy about that but the money is good and it is a chance to get paid to live in the land of booze and broads. Adult Disneyland here I come!

As I said earlier. If anyone has any new updated info for travelling to Manila during July/August I would be mighty grateful.
actually PAL is NOT the best option to the PI from New York,Can I suggest checking the travel agents who advertise in the Philippine newspapers.They give them for free at Filipino stores and Restaurants.Asiana and Northwest have proven more competititive,Cathay is also quite aggressive at times.Hope this helps

Lustforthrust
06-04-05, 03:33
I realize people always put up travel agent info. I am looking for new updated info if anyone has any. I have to go from NYC to Manila. Cheapest I have seen is $1199 and that is Korean Airlines going from NYC to Seoul and then on to Manila from there. I am going to assume there is a refuel stop in there somewhere but the travel agent never emailed me that info.

I know there are packages during the winter (US WINTER) that are as low as $700 or so. Unfortunately, I am moving there for a job opportunity and I am responsible for my own ticket. I am not happy about that but the money is good and it is a chance to get paid to live in the land of booze and broads. Adult Disneyland here I come!

As I said earlier. If anyone has any new updated info for travelling to Manila during July/August I would be mighty grateful.

http://www.cathay-usa.com/dotm/dotm.asp $778+taxes = $836.65

Black04
06-21-05, 23:15
For those that are in the P.I. already are the rumors of a coup de'ta during or a little after Philippine Independence coming up in the news at all?

Black04

J Boy
06-22-05, 13:56
http://www.cathay-usa.com/dotm/dotm.asp $778+taxes = $836.65


I just got $662 total with taxes from LAX to MNL using EDWARD MABUNGA
WWW.EMABUNGA.COM/ 1-888-622-8642 (1-888-MABUNGA)

You might get a quote from him.

Domino
07-02-05, 03:19
As I will be spending some time soon (about 8 weeks) in the Phils, mostly in backwoods, skank rich places, I would like to know:
1. Will Japanese electrical instruments and plugs work all over the Phils? so are adopters easy to find
2. Just how safe are these ladies? if I go long time, what are the chances of my goods being stolen? Is it advisable and safe to bring lap tops, cameras, video cameras etc? I would dearly like to try some Southern tribes but safety first!
I have some 3 sums and more sums lined up. I have been a busy boy :D I am also bringing an incredible array of vibrators, butt plugs, tit clamps etc. Should I travel lighter? Don't want hassle at immigration or in the bedroom.
Ireckon the Phils is much sluttier than Thaland btw:)

Cebu Local
07-02-05, 07:50
As I will be spending some time soon (about 8 weeks) in the Phils, mostly in backwoods, skank rich places, I would like to know:
1. Will Japanese electrical instruments and plugs work all over the Phils?NO
2. Just how safe are these ladies? if I go long time, what are the chances of my goods being stolen?GENERALLY NOT SAFE BE ON YOUR GUARD.THATS WHY THEY HAVE ROOM SAFES
3. Is it advisable and safe to bring lap tops, cameras, video cameras etc?YES AS LONG AS YOU EXERCISE CAUTION I would dearly like to try some Southern tribes but safety first!I TOTALLY AGREEHopefully this answers your questions

Cebu Local
07-03-05, 11:53
As I will be spending some time soon (about 8 weeks) in the Phils, mostly in backwoods, skank rich places, I would like to know:
1. Will Japanese electrical instruments and plugs work all over the Phils? so are adopters easy to find YES READILY AVAILABLE AT PLACES LIKE SM OR ACE HARDWARE
2. Just how safe are these ladies? if I go long time, what are the chances of my goods being stolen? Is it advisable and safe to bring lap tops, cameras, video cameras etc? I would dearly like to try some Southern tribes but safety first!
I have some 3 sums and more sums lined up. I have been a busy boy :D I am also bringing an incredible array of vibrators, butt plugs, tit clamps etc. Should I travel lighter?BE CAREFUL,IF YOU BRING TOO MUCH,IMMIGRATION OR CUSTOMS WILL STOP AND HASSLE YOU,YOU CAN BUY WHAT YOU NEED AT ADULT STORES IN MANILA. Don't want hassle at immigration or in the bedroom.
Ireckon the Phils is much sluttier than Thaland btw:)Hopefully this answers your other questions

Diver69
07-03-05, 19:08
Hi all,

I've been lurking and reading for a while. I used to write a few posts now and then, but the mongering life has been pretty dry lately.

Planning a trip to Phil in Nov, and I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience when it comes to girls they meet in Chat rooms and websites such as Flip Heart? I've got a few lines up, but I am just wondering if I should be up front and expect action from them, or are they mostly good girls looking for marriage?

Also, the girls I'm chatting with are all over the map. I am thinking of travelling to the following places, any advice/suggestion would be greatly appreciated (I know I will get a few "read the thread" responses, but I have already read the threads, and are looking for additionla info.

Place I plan to go: Cebu, Dumaguete, Davao, southern Leyte - may be Maasin (Whale Shark and girls), Cagayan De Oro. I don't think I want to go to General Santos, although I've been chatting with a few hotties there. And of course, Manila and Angeles City.

Problem is, I don't have all the time in the world to do this, so, I have to get from one place to the next quick.

What's the best itinerary for this? I was thinking flying in to Cebu, then take the fast ferry to Dumaguete, then back to Cebu, and on to Southern Leyte by ferry. Hop another ferry to Mindanao, go to Cagayan De Oro and Davao, then fly to Manila. All in a span of 2 weeks. Do-able?

Appreciate all input.

Diver

Cebu Local
07-03-05, 22:53
Hi all,

I've been lurking and reading for a while. I used to write a few posts now and then, but the mongering life has been pretty dry lately.

Planning a trip to Phil in Nov, and I was just wondering if anyone has had any experience when it comes to girls they meet in Chat rooms and websites such as Flip Heart? I've got a few lines up, but I am just wondering if I should be up front and expect action from them, or are they mostly good girls looking for marriage?

Also, the girls I'm chatting with are all over the map. I am thinking of travelling to the following places, any advice/suggestion would be greatly appreciated (I know I will get a few "read the thread" responses, but I have already read the threads, and are looking for additionla info.

Place I plan to go: Cebu, Dumaguete, Davao, southern Leyte - may be Maasin (Whale Shark and girls), Cagayan De Oro. I don't think I want to go to General Santos, although I've been chatting with a few hotties there. And of course, Manila and Angeles City.

Problem is, I don't have all the time in the world to do this, so, I have to get from one place to the next quick.

What's the best itinerary for this? I was thinking flying in to Cebu, then take the fast ferry to Dumaguete, then back to Cebu, and on to Southern Leyte by ferry. Hop another ferry to Mindanao, go to Cagayan De Oro and Davao, then fly to Manila. All in a span of 2 weeks. Do-able?

Appreciate all input.

DiverYes,Cebu ,Fast Ferry dumaguete then to Ormoc by same Fast Ferry,Then back to Cebu by Fast Ferry,Then Fast Ferry Cagayan De Oro but suggest you fly rather then travel overland to Davao from Cagayan De Oro,Have the Gen San Girls visit you in Davao,Since it is only 3-4 hours drive from Davao.good luck

Diver69
07-05-05, 14:45
Thanks Cebu Local. You're always a wealth of info.

May be we can hook up for a beer or two when I'm in town in November.

Diver

Cebu Local
07-05-05, 22:05
Thanks Cebu Local. You're always a wealth of info.

May be we can hook up for a beer or two when I'm in town in November.

Diver
Sure,No problem just PM me when you get into town and lets hook up.BTW are you sure about the whale sharks in Maasin??.Always thought that was in Donsol,Sorsogon and Bohol.Check on this.You should try to see the thresher sharks of Malapascua in Cebu if you can also as well as the friendly dolphins of Tanon Straits.That is one thing about the Philippines,WARM water.I tried scuba diving before of the coast of Vancouver island and even with the wet suit ,thermal stuff etc Brrrrrrr.Hope you had a nice long CANADA DAY weekend

Nightrider1
07-05-05, 23:45
I have also joined Filipina Heart and have met so many sweeties from all over the Phil that I need to keep notes now to keep them all straight. I am planning another trip in mid August to meet some in person. Just wondered if any of you have found a good way to let them down gently and not cause too much anguish when you want to move on to the next Filipina. I don't believe any of these girls are pros and they all want some kind of relationship even if they know i am married. I of course am only interested in their sexy bodies but I also want them to enjoy themselves while we are together and plan on treating them to nice dinners and trips to the malls and beaches. They all believe I am coming to meet only them so I can't say I have another hottie waiting in the wings. Being the hedonistic male that we all are here we all want to enjoy more than one pretty Filipina but I just don't know how to get away. Any Ideas would be greatly appreciated. I have decided to concentrate on the larger cities of Davao, Cebu, CDO, Butuan and Manila. Hope 21 days is sufficient.

Harvey WB
07-06-05, 16:57
Don't set too aggressive a schedule when visiting the Phils. I did and wound up getting sick from jumping around too much (allergies, then sinusitus). Finally took a friend's advice and just stayed put in Cebu for a couple of weeks (it was a 9 week trip, ah, the good old days!).

Even flying from MNL to Davao seems to take a whole day, what with leaving your hotel 3 hours before the flight, the 3 hour boarding/flying/deplaning and the 1 hour airport/hotel check in/ah, I'm finally in my room sequence.

I still tend to "overbook" before I go and scale back when there. Remember, if you are travelling by bus, figure 25 MPH, so a trip of 100 miles is 4 hours - I wondered why my wife and friends could never tell me how many miles/KM to a place, just the hours, which got cut by 1/3 if you took the "overnight" bus.

Happy Trip.

Cebu Local
07-06-05, 17:25
Don't set too aggressive a schedule when visiting the Phils. I did and wound up getting sick from jumping around too much (allergies, then sinusitus). Finally took a friend's advice and just stayed put in Cebu for a couple of weeks (it was a 9 week trip, ah, the good old days!).

Even flying from MNL to Davao seems to take a whole day, what with leaving your hotel 3 hours before the flight, the 3 hour boarding/flying/deplaning and the 1 hour airport/hotel check in/ah, I'm finally in my room sequence.

I still tend to "overbook" before I go and scale back when there. Remember, if you are travelling by bus, figure 25 MPH, so a trip of 100 miles is 4 hours - I wondered why my wife and friends could never tell me how many miles/KM to a place, just the hours, which got cut by 1/3 if you took the "overnight" bus.

Happy Trip.IMHO As a frequent Philippine Traveler between Cebu and Manila,I do the trip about 6-8 times a month.I disagree Check in for either PAL or Cebu Pacific is 45 minutes before the Flight.So try leaving your Hotel 30-40 minutes from either Makati or Malate to the Airport.Check in 45 Minutes before, 1 hour flight to Cebu then 15 Minutes to get your bags 30 Minutes Max from the Airport to downtown even at rush hour 45 minutes travel to airport plus one hour flight plus 15 minutes to get your bags plus 30 minutes to the hotel is only 2 and a half to three hours max.I could point out that the Cebu to Dumaguete Supercat trip takes only 3 hours,Cebu to Maasin Southern Leyte is 2 and a half hours.If you plan your schedule well it is doable very easily.PS Notice at no point did i recomend taking a bus.Avoid them as much as possibile,stick to plane and fast ferry.I would be more then happy to customize a schedule for you in my spare time.Just PM me

CA Traveler
07-07-05, 19:28
OK... Here is the challenge for the RP experts... After scanning this board, I decided that my first visit next March would be to Cebu. HOWEVER, after reading more and checking out the Phillipines, I decided that I really don't want to wait so I am going to take 10+ days out of a September SEA trip and visit the PI.

Unfortunately, I could not get a free ticket into Cebu and will instead arrive in Manila from HKG. My question is simple... Should I focus on the area around Manila this trip and then Cebu the next visit OR should I just head straight to Cebu and venture out from there. I've got several girls in Cagayan, Surigao and Davao who seem to be hot to show me their local color!

Of course, even if I decide to meet some of these girls, I still would like to have the option of fresh company whenever I wish.

So... Help me out... Stay around Manila or head south immediately?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated and reciprocated should you ever decide to head to the FSU... i.e. Russia/Ukraine.

Cebu Local
07-07-05, 20:15
OK... Here is the challenge for the RP experts... After scanning this board, I decided that my first visit next March would be to Cebu. HOWEVER, after reading more and checking out the Phillipines, I decided that I really don't want to wait so I am going to take 10+ days out of a September SEA trip and visit the PI.

Unfortunately, I could not get a free ticket into Cebu and will instead arrive in Manila from HKG. My question is simple... Should I focus on the area around Manila this trip and then Cebu the next visit OR should I just head straight to Cebu and venture out from there. I've got several girls in Cagayan, Surigao and Davao who seem to be hot to show me their local color!

Of course, even if I decide to meet some of these girls, I still would like to have the option of fresh company whenever I wish.

So... Help me out... Stay around Manila or head south immediately?

Any comments would be greatly appreciated and reciprocated should you ever decide to head to the FSU... i.e. Russia/Ukraine.IMHO I would stay in Manila to rest overnight then head south to Cebu immediately.Cebu is closer to Davao,Cagayan and Surigao then Manila.Cheers

GoodEnough
07-08-05, 00:20
I agree with Cebu Local. Take a night or two to rest up and visit one or two of the local establishments that you've read about here, and then get to Cebu. It's cheaper, more pleasant, and a much more convenieent location for the girls with whom you've been corresponding.

GE

CA Traveler
07-08-05, 07:15
CL/GE... I think that is pretty sound advice. That way I'll at least have a taste of the north. Everyone seems to be pretty down on the Renaissance in Makati... I have normally had very good girl-friendly results all over the world with the Marriott chain. Do you think that the clamp down will continue for several months or just blow over?

GoodEnough
07-08-05, 11:42
CA Traveler:

Why take the chance? Unless you have a truly spectacular rate at the Renaissance, stay at the Dusit, the Peninsula, the Mandarin or the Shangri La, where they do not give you any hassles, ever.

GE

CA Traveler
07-08-05, 14:41
Thanks, sounds good... I'm actually only going to stay one night then head south. I'm looking forward to sampling the delights of the PI.

Here is a little change of pace from the Asian girls if you'd like to see some of the Russki variety...

Diver69
07-08-05, 17:25
Thanks for the advice and invitation. We'll hook up for a few cold ones when I get there.

I read in Lonely Planet that the whale sharks go to Sogod Bay and Liloan Bay near Padre Burgos, so I'm hoping to go for a few dives there and hope to see them.

I've heard about thresher sharks at Malapuscua, but I hear they are seen very often anymore. I'm going to Apo Island near Dumaguete this trip, and according to Dragon Slayer, chicks are ripe for the picking in Dumaguete. However, last time I was there, I couldn't find anythig. Have to make sure to get detailed info before I go this time.

Thanks for the suggestion to fly to Davao instead of travelling by road. How much is the flight from Cagayan to Davao? Also, can you fly from Davao directly to Manila? And how much? I want to go to Manila and try Angeles City this trip. Heard so much about it - gotta try it.

As far as diving in Canada goes - I got certified here, and that was the last time I dove here. Way too cold.

Hope to see some of the members in Asia when I get there in Nov.

Keep cool.

Diver69

Firedick
07-08-05, 20:00
Well, as long as the old timers are out, I guess I'll get my feet wet again.

The rumors of my demise have been BS. I just got tired of the petty bickering and had some computer issues as well.

Anyway, howdy all !

Diver69, as usual, I agree with CL. I've always heard that Donsol is THE place for whale sharks.

I was in Puerto Galera in Feb this year. It's the same ole arm pit with a little above average diving, but I loved it ! For you non divers, check out the floating bar, the blue "Sunshine resort" one. They will lend you snorkeling gear to use right off the bar. In a 20 minute snorkel I saw a couple rays, a snowflake moray, a school of coral cats, and a mantis shrimp plus lots of little common fish. They no longer allow the girls to fish and they feed the fish. So there's lots of life around.

I stayed at the "Steps" resort (formerly kn own as the Terraces). Great place. Get a cottage high up (number 15 is my favorite) without aircon. The breeze is enough. Great service, friendly folks and a super value. Oh, and it's far enough away from the bars that it's quiet enough, but still pretty easy access.

The same was not true of my former favorite Ermita hotel. Lotus Garden screwed me. I showed up, as I usually do, without a resrv. They were full. I asked them to call City State Tower, as I was using Si-kat to get to PG. I was told by the Lotus Garden staff that City Tower was full. So they booked me into one of Lotus Gardens partner hotels. OK room but 3500 piso. Too much. I was tired and took it. Later, while cruising around, I stopped into City State to make my Si-kat resvr. and decideed to talk to the front desk. They told me they had lots of rooms and I could have stayed for 1700 P. I've been a long time fan of Lotus Garden but, no mas.

I also got crap service from the Puerto Galera dive center of Atlantis. Another former favorite.

I am awaiting news of a job possibility, so all trips are on hold for now.

Good travels,

FD

PS: I will post additional dive reports in the Phuket section.

Domino
07-09-05, 05:15
Hello

I expect to spend a pleasant few months in the Philippines, mostly Mindanao, over the next several months.
1. If I go around Mindanao by bus, what are the chances of hijacking, thefts?
2. Where precisely can I buy sex toys in Manila?
3. Is there anywhere in Mindanao in particular with cheap, local and dirty "anything goes" sex? I am particularly interested in holing up in a cheap, local brothel and fucking my brains out with as amny skanks as I can get through. Places like AC do not interest me at all. Thanks.

GoodEnough
07-09-05, 13:51
Domino:

PM me and I will give you some places here in Davao, CDO, and Zamboanga if you like. You should be okay taking buses during the day, but don't even think about it after sunset as the risk is just too high. There are dozens of "casas" here in Davao that should meet your needs.

GE

GoodEnough
07-09-05, 13:54
Firedick:

In the last two weeks, I've seen a manta ray, two turtles and a lot of squid in Davao Gulf. My friends saw a whale shark, but I was not with them. The Coral Gardens in Tillikud and the dive sites off Big Ligid are not bad at all. We've also seen a lot of small tuna around lately, and innumerable giant clams. All of this stuff has been between 25-30 meters.

GE

Domino
07-09-05, 14:27
Domino: PM me and I will give you some places here in Davao, CDO, and Zamboanga if you like. You should be okay taking buses during the day, but don't even think about it after sunset as the risk is just too high. There are dozens of "casas" here in Davao that should meet your needs. GE
Why not just post the places here? I have seen no reports of same and I scored ok on that front in Davao last time out.
Are bus hijackings common? What happens at night that we should not even think about it? And if we should not even think about traveling at night, why do people travel at night? I intend to just ramble and go wherever the buses go. I expect most of my travel to be done early morning but I would like to know the risks and the rewards.

GoodEnough
07-09-05, 16:52
No, bus hijackings are not common, but they're not unknown. Neither are robberies mixed with violence, and neither is kidnapping, though the latter is admittedly somewhat farfetched. The fact is, as an expat using public transportation in Mindanao, you are vulnerable and during the night, the roads are not protected and shit happens. Is it likely? No it's not, but it's a hell of a lot more plausible during the night than during the day for reasons I've stated elsewhere.

As to the addresses, I do not have them as I do not go to these palces any more and the locations change frequently. I have several friends however, who do go, and I can get you a list if you like.

GE

Diver69
07-09-05, 22:34
OK. Please don't flame, and I don't mean to turn this into a scuba forum. But just a couple of more scuba diving question and I promise I'll return to the topic of muff diving:

1. Any suggestion on dive outfit in southern Leyte and Davao? I know Donsol IS the place for whale shark, but November I believe is out of season. Anyone has any experience with whale shark in southern Leyte?

2. Good Enough - who did you go with in Davao? How are the prices?

OK. Back to the subject of muff diving :

Good Enough - if you have the list, I wouldn;t mind getting a copy from you too. It's always been my fantasy to go to a cheap brothel and screwed my head off (little head). I'm looking at Davao, Cagayan De Oro, Cebu, Dumaguete, Southern Leyte, and Manila. I'm also going to Angeles City on my trip, but I think I shouldn't require any assistance in finding th ***** houses there?? LOL

CA Traveler - It's kind of funny - all the places you listed, I've got chicks kind of lined up too. Hope they're not the same ones you have. Let me know how you make out. A naive question (as I'm new to these chatroom chicks), how are they with you online? Mine are all behaving properly and seems like nice girls - I'm hoping they'll be totally different and naughty when I get there. Have you been talking to them explicitly about sex?

nightrider1 - same questions about chicks from Filipina Heart. I'm actually printing out the page for each girl just to keep them straight. Sometimes I have 4 Yahoo messenger going at the same time. Boy, it a lot of work. I sure hope it pays off. However, I tell each that I may meet 2 or 3 other ladies while I'm in Phil, but they're the first one I'm meeting so I may change my mind and not meet anyone else after I've met her. I find it more credible if I tell them I "may" meet 2 or 3 other women while I'm there. I don't think anyone would really believe you if you tell them you're flying halfway around the world to meet them only. My dilemma is, do you come right out and tell them you want to screw their brains off? Or do you play the nice guy until you get there? I really think these girls kind of have some inkling as to what we're after...I mean Filipina Hearts is really a meat market, right? Anyway, so far, I haven;t really been naughty with any of the girls I've met online yet.

Any advice?

Diver69

Marconista
07-09-05, 23:16
CA Traveler!

You are bad!
Me - I'm a scandinavian, traveling frequently also to the baltic countries and Russia, but we seldom see such ladies that you posted here. Blondes are fun, right?

In Manila, if staying a night or two, I would stay at The Heritage which is a few minutes walk to the EDSA complex, and 10 minutes from Ermita, or 10 minutes from Bourgos Street. Also about 10-15 minutes from the New Entertainment Centre near the old domestic airport, where you will find little competition, since very few customers yet, but PLENTY of ladies. And not least - Only 15 minutes (or maybe even less) from the airport when you are leaving for the south.

I am sure you will be succesful throughout the 7107 islands of the RP. :)


Thanks, sounds good... I'm actually only going to stay one night then head south. I'm looking forward to sampling the delights of the PI.

Here is a little change of pace from the Asian girls if you'd like to see some of the Russki variety...

CA Traveler
07-10-05, 02:41
marconista.... Variety is the spice of life! Don't we know! :)

D69... would not surprise me in the least! However, I don't use the chat rooms... only email. Who knows there are so damn many fil chicks available. However that said, there have been a couple that I thought were playing games and were probably 50 y.o. guys looking for a way to scam a poor old American out of his pension check. Unfortuntely for them, I don't have pension check so I am very protective of what little I have! :)

GoodEnough
07-10-05, 10:55
OK.

1. Any suggestion on dive outfit in southern Leyte and Davao? I know Donsol IS the place for whale shark, but November I believe is out of season. Anyone has any experience with whale shark in southern Leyte?

2. Good Enough - who did you go with in Davao? How are the prices?

OK. Back to the subject of muff diving :

Good Enough - if you have the list, I wouldn;t mind getting a copy from you too. It's always been my fantasy to go to a cheap brothel and screwed my head off (little head). I'm looking at Davao, Cagayan De Oro, Cebu, Dumaguete, Southern Leyte, and Manila. I'm also going to Angeles City on my trip, but I think I shouldn't require any assistance in finding th ***** houses there?? LOL
Diver69
Diver 69:

There are three dive shops here: Pro Dive, Wind and Wave and Carabao. The first two organize dives every week end, but in my opinion Wind and Wave is a rip off and I never go with them. Pro Dive charges only for the cost of the boat (usually about PhP300 per head) and the tanks (usually 2 at PhP150) so the entire day will cost you somewhere around PhP600, or about $11.00. I usually do not dive with any dive shop, but with a group of friends, all of whom like to dive every week. Today, for example, we had two great dives (and saw a beautiful turtle) and the cost per head was PhP280 for the boat and again, PhP150 per tank since we used Pro Dive's tanks. If you're interested in joining us while you're here, send me a PM and we can include you easily. If you need equipment, it will cost you about PhP1,000 ($18.50) for the day, not including tanks.

I will try to get a list together this week after I check with some friends. As I said before, the locations of these places change so frequently that I'm sure my information is out of date.

:D

GE

Cebu Local
07-10-05, 23:09
Thanks for the advice and invitation. We'll hook up for a few cold ones when I get there.

I read in Lonely Planet that the whale sharks go to Sogod Bay and Liloan Bay near Padre Burgos, so I'm hoping to go for a few dives there and hope to see them.

I've heard about thresher sharks at Malapuscua, but I hear they are seen very often anymore. I'm going to Apo Island near Dumaguete this trip, and according to Dragon Slayer, chicks are ripe for the picking in Dumaguete. However, last time I was there, I couldn't find anythig. Have to make sure to get detailed info before I go this time.THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM ALONG RIZAL BOULEVARD AND THE BARS NEAR SILLIMAN UNIVERSITY,PART TIMING STUDENTS
Thanks for the suggestion to fly to Davao instead of travelling by road. How much is the flight from Cagayan to Davao? Also, can you fly from Davao directly to Manila? And how much? I want to go to Manila and try Angeles City this trip. Heard so much about it - gotta try it.YOU CAN FLY DIRECTLY FROM DAVAO TO MANILA BY CEBU PACIFIC OR PAL,ITS ABOUT 3 THOUSAND PESOS OR 55 US DOLLARS ONE WAY,HERE IS ANOTHER OPTION ASIAN SPIRIT AND SEA AIR FLY DAILY FROM CEBU TO BORACAY,THEN THEY BOTH HAVE DAILY FLIGHTS FROM BORACAY DIRECTLY TO CLARK(ANGELES).EITHER TRANSIT OR SPEND A DAY OR SO IN BORACAY THEN HEAD ON TO CLARK

As far as diving in Canada goes - I got certified here, and that was the last time I dove here. Way too cold.I TOTALLY AGREE

Hope to see some of the members in Asia when I get there in Nov.

Keep cool.

Diver69Best Regards See you when you get down here

Cebu Local
07-10-05, 23:16
Hello

I expect to spend a pleasant few months in the Philippines, mostly Mindanao, over the next several months.
1. If I go around Mindanao by bus, what are the chances of hijacking, thefts?
2. Where precisely can I buy sex toys in Manila?
3. Is there anywhere in Mindanao in particular with cheap, local and dirty "anything goes" sex? I am particularly interested in holing up in a cheap, local brothel and fucking my brains out with as amny skanks as I can get through. Places like AC do not interest me at all. Thanks.
Better than Bare Ground Floor BSA Mansions,Benavidez Street,Legaspi Village,Makati, a 5 minute walk from greenbelt mall,Bare Neccesities, Ali Mall,Cubao,Quezon city.Hope this solves your problem

Firedick
07-12-05, 04:57
Marco

New Entertainment Centre near the old domestic airport, where you will find little competition, since very few customers yet, but PLENTY of ladies.


Tell us more !

X Man
07-12-05, 08:12
D69,

Sometimes I wonder if the online girls are worth the hassle. Well, nice to have such troubles. Have you done this before? Well, I'm certainly no expert, but....here's what I've learned.

My experience is they will almost always show up with one or more chaperones. Often one of the chaperones looks better than the original target. Getting laid the first night is probably about 20% or less...depending on how charming you are and how naughty the chaperones might be. One lady showed up with an older chaperone -- a single mom. She slept in the next bed while I banged her friend. :-) Months later, we crossed paths in the chat rooms and she (the chaperone) told me how much SHE wanted to meet me.

Often they will invite you to their homes...where they'll show you off to they're friends and family. If you do this, your chances go up considerably -- but at a later time obviously. Depends on how much time you want to invest. Even if things don't pan out, these trips to local areas can be quite interesting.

You want to weed out the virgins and innocents right away. I do that by mentioning the beach. Then joke with them , "Please send me a bikini picture." If they seem offended....that's a bad sign. Of course, if she already has a child, you can be pretty sure she'll put out.

Generally, I play the nice guy, but lay down some hints as I have described above. Like you, I prefer to be honest. I say something like, "I'm just looking for friends, but if something clicks...."

And my favorite "joke" is copyright protected so you owe me a beer every time you use it. "Please don't send me any nudes, I'm shy."

BTW, I found that CB tends to have a lot of Mindanao ladies. How's FilH? Many at CB definitely seem be wary of guys coming over for fun, but not a committment. Too bad.

And GE, I'd like a copy of that list too if you get it compiled.


Good Enough - if you have the list, I wouldn;t mind getting a copy from you too.

CA Traveler - It's kind of funny - all the places you listed, I've got chicks kind of lined up too. (SNIP) I'm hoping they'll be totally different and naughty when I get there. Have you been talking to them explicitly about sex?
(SNIP)
Any advice?

Diver69

Full Tilt
07-13-05, 05:17
Guys,

My suggestion regarding the online chicks is to let them know you'll be in a nearby area (perhaps a neighboring town) and see if they are willing to travel to meet you. I think it is much less likely that you will have problems if it is clear to them that they will be expected to travel to the location where you are staying and spend the night. It would be easier to duck out before the evening is over if you were in the same town where she lived.

They won't always have the money to travel far, but perhaps you can arrange your stay so that you will be within a short bus ride and yet get them out of their environs.

Marconista
07-13-05, 23:15
Hi FD,

Here is the link to my post in February this year.
http://www.*************.info/forum/showpost.php?p=339448&postcount=975

Spending a few nights there might do you good, as they were all over us when we entered each bar :)



Marco

New Entertainment Centre near the old domestic airport, where you will find little competition, since very few customers yet, but PLENTY of ladies.


Tell us more !

Firedick
07-14-05, 05:40
Thanks Marco,

I'll check it out, whenever I can get back.

FD

X Man
07-14-05, 15:49
Full tilt has some good advice about getting them out of their "environs". I've never made any special effort to travel to their place for the FIRST meeting, although I've had many ask me if I wanted to go back to their place shortly after the first meeting. By "back to their place" I mean they wanted me to meet their firends and family.

Having them come to you is fine, but like I said already....they'll usually show up with chaperone(s). Show the chaperone what a nice guy you are....that's one way to get off on the right foot.

X

ManonsanBoy
07-14-05, 22:57
Hi mongers

Where is the best place to go in Philippines if you have 3 days; women, women, women.............nothing else

Cebu Local
07-14-05, 23:53
Hi mongers

Where is the best place to go in Philippines if you have 3 days; women, women, women.............nothing else
Everywhere Angeles City-go wild on Fields Avenue Manila-Pasay,LA Cafe etcMakati-Burgos Street,Cebu,Davao......

Diver69
07-16-05, 17:01
Thanks to all who responded to my posts.

CA Traveler - I have had quite a few who asked for money - what I do is to turn around and tell them to send me nude pics, that will end it right then and there. There was one who sent me pics from a magazine (of a white girl) and claimed it was her. It was kind of funny actually. I also don't chat or e-mail anyone who don't send me her pics...So, I hope that will weed out the 50 y.o. imposters.

GE - I will pm you and we can hook up for some diving (I have both kinds in mind). Thanks for the great info. Looking forward to your list.

Cebu Local - I'll pm you as well and we'l hook up for beers and girls.

X Man - I'm brand new to the internet chicks. I'm hoping a few of them will work out. I don't mind paying for playing, but it's the hunt that adds to the excitement, I guess. Besides, if these girls don't work out, I can always find some pros to satisfy the needs. Thanks for the great advice, 20% success rate on the first night is not bad. I'll try to get the ones with kids, if as you said, they're more willing.
That's a funny story about the cheperone who wanted you. Did you kick yourself for not doing them tag team right then and there? :-)
I'm not really into meeting the family and stuff...kind of make me nervous, plus, I don't really have too much time to invest into that kind of things.
A sign of how ne I am with this internet chicks thing - I don't even know what CB is.
Well, I've a few months to start getting naughty with the girls. Actually, one has already agreed to accompany to a resort - any resort (I didn't mention any specific name), I guess that's a good sign. I've also been dropping hints about their looks and their bodies, and so far, only one has been offended enough to turn off the webcam on me. I'll be owing you quite a few beers when we meet, because I fully intend to pirate your copyrighted joke!

I think I would prefer to have them bring female cheperone instead of male ones. One has asked me if she could bring her brother with her. I'm kind of scratching my head - don't these guys and gals have any clue what we're after? What's the point of bringing a cheperone if you know that you're gonna have to put out eventually (hopefully sooner than later). And the male chaperone, if they have half a brain, they'll know what we're after, right? So, being a chaperone is almost like being a pimp, but in a nice way. Sorry if I offend anyone with my comments/thoughts. May be I'm missing some cultural stuff here.

Anyway, I'll be posting more questions before my trip, and I promise I will report once I've had my trip.

Diver69

X Man
07-17-05, 07:36
Diver 69,

As for the chaperones, that's just the way things are done in PI. Anyway, it makes sense for safety reasons.

When I first visited PI many years ago I seem to remember taking a woman to a movie had sexual connotations. I guess it's dark inside and the Fil boys would get a feel. Is this still true? Has anyone heard anything like this before. I bring it up because you might ask a girl out to a movie...if she's willing, you're on first base.

I've attached a picture taken on the moutain above Cebu city. Online friend and two chaperones....OOPS, maybe not. Apparently I've already uploaded this picture in the Cebu file and WSG won't let me upload it again.

ALSO....I'll be in the Philippines July 21 - Aug. 8. Anyone have time to meet up. I'll probably Do MLA, Cebu and maybe Davao.

GoodEnough
07-17-05, 10:03
Diver 69,

As for the chaperones, that's just the way things are done in PI. Anyway, it makes sense for safety reasons.

When I first visited PI many years ago I seem to remember taking a woman to a movie had sexual connotations. I guess it's dark inside and the Fil boys would get a feel. Is this still true? Has anyone heard anything like this before. I bring it up because you might ask a girl out to a movie...if she's willing, you're on first base.

I've attached a picture taken on the moutain above Cebu city. Online friend and two chaperones....OOPS, maybe not. Apparently I've already uploaded this picture in the Cebu file and WSG won't let me upload it again.

ALSO....I'll be in the Philippines July 21 - Aug. 8. Anyone have time to meet up. I'll probably Do MLA, Cebu and maybe Davao.
Xman, if you decide to come through Davao, drop mr a PM and we can get together for a few beers, a meal or whatever.

Diver69
07-18-05, 00:09
Thanks folks.

I think dinner and movie will be the first move for me. For those who have shown "potential" (playfulness online), I may try to move a little faster.

Hopefully CA Traveler will share his stories with us upon his return.

Good luck, pal.

Keep us posted, and I will do same at the end of my trip.

Diver69

CA Traveler
07-18-05, 05:27
d69... you'd better be thankful that she didn't want to bring her dad along! So far, I have had much better results writing the Fil girls than I have writing the Russian/Ukrainian girls. So far, no one has suggested bringing along a chaperone. Although most have asked me to send money for their travel to Cebu.

However, from what I read, I am a little worried that it may be very hard to get rid of one of these girls once you've actually hooked up with her. This can happen in Russia, but it is a pretty common practice to balance out your first dates with a second date later in the evening where you are virtually assured that before the night is over you will have had a chance to lose your PBF... Precious Bodily Fluids... If that fails there are still several other options that are available for most of the night to relieve the symptoms of the late-night blue balls... I hate when that happens!

So, I continue pounding out responses to the Fil girls, not really knowing if I would be better off just waiting until I arrive and then head out prospecting on my own anyway... I guess time will tell which is the best approach.

Right now, I am on my way to Odessa in the Ukraine to study Russian in the day and party at the beach bars all night... Should be an interesting month!

Don't worry... you will be able to read all about Odessa in July/August and Cebu and Thailand in September with photos with any luck!

Diver69
07-18-05, 22:09
CA Traveler,

That's funny, bring her dad. Why bother when she can find a sugar daddy waiting to bang her?
I am always more encouraged when they want to bring a sister or a cousin, but one actually mentioned bringing sister AND brother when I mentioned going to a resort. Why pass up a goo ddeal when someone is picking up the bill. You can guess my response to that request. At least with a sister or a female cousin, there's always a possibility of scoring both the subject and her chaperone - nothing better than a good tag team :-)

As for whether all the effort is worth it, I guess you will have to let us know at the end of your trip. I guess the primate in us still live for the hunt!

Have fun.

Diver69

Member #1005
07-22-05, 08:10
Gentlemen,

In my time l have received a number of pm’s but I recently something appeared in my in-box that I had to think long and hard about before I could answer it.

Clandestine782 sent me a pm asking me for advice on where to find bareback sex in the Philippines, as he was getting mixed messages? I was confused as to why he was asking me as I don’t believe he had actually read any of my posts to know of my views on the subject?

I appreciate that this is a web site dedicated to exchanging information about sex, but we should not be promoting dangerous sexual practices. One, if such a place existed I would not say period! And two, even if it did we should not be promoting such practices here.

I say this because if we are promoting bareback sex all that will happen is we are sending out the wrong message, and believe me that a lot of information that appears in this forum also appears on others. The last thing I want to do is say to guys who have HIV, Herpes and various other things that its OK to go to the Philippines and spread your shit about, if you toss these girls a few Pesos.

And if you think that’s a gross exaggeration, just this week in the UK a 20 year old woman, who has been HIV positive since she was 15, was jailed for having unprotected sex with up to 50 men, while she had a boyfriend who didn't know she was HIV positive, passing on the virus. A guy in Sweden was jailed a couple of years ago for much of the same thing and on and on. So the last thing I want to do is give the green light to anyone coming to the Philippines just to spread their shit.

Yes, I have strong views but Clandestine782 if you want bareback sex in the Philippines I suggest that you simply put a ring on that finger and marry the girl - it’s as simple as that. If you can get it, as you would in any other country like Thailand, Brazil or the Dominican Republic all well and good but its an exception to the rule and not the norm, let’s not send out the wrong messages here.

It concerns me that people often believe that to an extent its OK to exploit Philippinos judging from some of the things I have seen posted in the past. But I do actually keep in touch with many girls there by e-mails and text messages and connect with many, I will be regularly going back, so you tell me do I want to ruin the market?

The golden rule is enjoy yourself but we should leave it as we find it for others.

Fastpiston
07-23-05, 01:54
Junior, I agree.
There are also those who do use protection, but are so drunk that they usually end up doing bareback anyway, without being aware of it. I always use protection and prefer bar girls rather than freelance such as in LA Cafe - at least bar girls have to take regular blood tests for employment, which is some assurance. Worth checking for genital worts as well, these are so contagious that one can get these nasties even around a condom or hand transmission (see websites).

Clandestine782
07-23-05, 03:22
I posted an article in the section "The Truth about HIV," which stated that the HIV infection rate in sex workers in the PI was less than 1% almost everywhere. And in the places that it was greater than 1%, it was less than 2%.

If you calculate the probability of coming back with an HIV infection (knowing that HIV is one of the most deadly viruses but NOT one of the most virulent) after, say, a week of bareback sex you would find that the chance that you died in a car crash in the PI was actually higher.

I appreciate your consideration for the working girls, but could you please remember that a new pontiff has already been elected (Benedict XVI).

Santa
07-25-05, 06:08
I think the number one reason for using condoms should be to protect the girls, not the educated monger. The chances of the girl getting HIV from an infected barebacking monger is very high, because she is receiving the infected sperm. She must also worry about unwanted pregnancies and other infections. The girls will go bareback because they need the money.

The reason to encourage the use of condoms should not be for selfish reasons, that is, "protect myself". Instead, use a condom to protect the girl!

Clandestine. Sorry man, not trying to flame you, but I disagree. I apologize if you think I'm also pontificating. However, 1% (or less) may seem to be a small number, but 1% of a large population adds up to a very large number of poor girls with HIV. That is sadly 1% too many!

The Pope also believes we should not use condoms and, therefore, some pharmacies in Manila refuse to sell them. It's ironic, on this issue the Pope would agree with you.

Tee It Up
07-25-05, 18:47
Santa,

Don't waste your time trying to turn around Clandestine's way of thinking. At the risk of sounding like a racist, this African-American (Clandestine) makes it a sport of infecting and impregnating as many people as he can because he just does not care about hurting poor ignorant third world girls. According to his previous posts, he doesn't like black chicks and the only white chicks he could get in the U.S. are pigs. The P.I. is the perfect place for a person like him to take out his aggression on the world for making him black. Until he reaches the age where he actually develops a conscience, Clandestine will continue to behave in the exact manner of the brothers he hates back home.

Thierry I
07-27-05, 09:06
Hi,

After I’ve spent a dozen times in Thailand, Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam, I am planning my 1st trip to the Philippines next January where I’ll spent the most of my 3 weeks scuba diving and sightseeing on Palawan (Coron, El Nido and Puerto Princessa I guess).

I will be arriving in Manila on the 10th Jan and want to take the ferry from Manila to Coron on the 14th Jan, so I will only have 3 nights on Luzon to find the “girl of my dreams”! Where do I have the best chance to find Miss Right? Angeles (and perhaps steady barfine)? Subic (I could dive during daytime then), Manila or any other places?

Any do’s / don’ts while taking a girl for 3 weeks?

I want a girl in her early twenties (I am only 31 myself), fun to be with, good looking (although attitude is more important then looks though), speaking some English so we can have some conversations, and a BBJCIM is my big turn on!

Mahku
07-28-05, 03:56
Since you have a lot of months before the trip I would prepare the way by meeting girls online. You can find girls in 3 days in all those places you mentioned but it will be a bit of a crap shoot whether you'll find one that you want to spend serious time with. Just enter into several chat services, make sure you do webcam chats so you can be more sure if she's your type.

Also, the days you mentioned may still be winter break for some university girls. So you could find one that's free to travel with you. No need to limit yourself to bar girls. Happy hunting.

Member #1005
07-28-05, 18:50
Clandestine talks about having the worst case of Gonorrhea in the "history of the world", yet he's he's still looking for bareback sex...HELLO McFly...! His attitude is common amoung AA's (selfish and lazy). They should be banned from PI. Let's face it, PI is one of the last places on EARTH where a good, decent person can find the girl of his dreams. A girl that has not been VICTIMIZED by the diseases of Clandestine, Asian Rain and "lil' fella" Deep Diver. The less PI is exposed to these diseased "homies" the better. IMHO.

FP

Face Pisser

Frankly, I am amazed at your pathetic rant has actually been posted here. As a BLACK MAN, and proud of the fact, I guess I would qualify as an “AA” even though I am from the UK, my parents are from Jamaica, but my skin is not white. So does this mean Asian Rain and Deep Diver are also black?

According to you I am a selfish, lazy and a diseased homie that should be banned from the Philippines? My dick has seen more action by aged 35, than you are likely to in a lifetime to pal and you call me lazy? I am not selfish but admit to being arrogant, if I wasn’t I would not have got to where I am in life, listening to fools like you.

Clandestine readily admits he is not a proud black male – however I am, so don’t generalize with your rubbish; there is no room here for your stereo typical racist banter, so do us all a favour and Shut The Fuck Up! How about renaming yourself again to "Talking out of your Arse?"




Juniour

Tee It Up
07-28-05, 20:22
Hey Juniour,

A Jamaican living in the U.K.? By any chance have you been in any London subways lately? Seriously dude, you need to lighten up a bit (no pun intended). Remember it was you who put it most eloquently by saying "you should leave the market as you find it."

Member #1005
07-29-05, 08:27
Hey Juniour,

A Jamaican living in the U.K.? By any chance have you been in any London subways lately? ."

Just to correct you on a couple of points first, I said my parents are from Jamaica, I was born here, in the same way in which Colin Powell is an American citizen I am a British citizen (get it!)

Second, we don’t have subways in the UK we have an underground system, Paris has a Metro and yes thanks I use them every day, when I am home.

Third, I don’t intend to lighten up,(pun or no pun intended) when we have people who are obviously racist – your pal's comments were not funny nor clever just plain and simple racist, as were the comments earlier to Deep Diver who is of Mediterranean origin. I suggest you go and check the Forum guidelines because to me that was race bating.

Fourth, I have been to near on 40 countries and I have always left the market as I have found it – if not with a positive attitude of people of colour.

I have met plenty of assholes like your pals, all over the world in my travels, who have nothing going on in their lives but regret arriving in these third world countries about 200 years too late to lord it over the locals like they are “The Man”. I once met an American writer in Bangkok many years ago who described people with your pal’s attitude as “Ugly Americans” who should never be allowed to leave the country, because people then have the impression that all Americans are like that, when as we all know this is not the case.

So finally, when are you two actually going to contribute something positive to the forum instead of tittle tattle of golden rain related nonsense?

Tee It Up
07-29-05, 17:55
Juniour, Juniour, Juniour, you need to lay off the caffeine for a while and get back on the Jamaican buds. I think it’s a stretch for you comparing yourself to Colin Powell. Yep, you are right when you called yourself arrogant.

I’m sure you have met plenty of assholes (Birds of a feather flock together). In fact, you have your own thread! I’m curious, when you visit the P.I., do you get shutdown a lot when you want to barfine a chick based on your color and dreadlocks? The only reason I ask is I’ve been a little surprised at the lack of talent in you photo’s. The mongers here should realize there’s MUCH better talent here than you have displayed.

Anyway, I think we can resolve this by you, me and Mikster meeting next time you are in town. You bring the buds and I’ll bring the Bob Marley CD’s and the three of us can solve all the world’s problems. Ah Ha Ha Ha...

Wastrel
07-29-05, 20:06
Your pal's comments were not funny nor clever just plain and simple racist. I suggest you go and check the Forum guidelines because to me that was race bating.The day of the apocolypse has arrived, a snowstorm grips Makati:

I always knew there would come a day I would be forced to agree with Juniour about something. This is that day.

If post #378 is not vile enough to get someone booted off this forum, what possibly could? Is any responsible adult minding this store? The resort to crude racial slurs is sickening, and renders any other content of the post irrelevant. Disgusting behavior, stupid beyond words, and there is nothing American about it. Pardon me while I go vomit.

Under no circumstances should any man with any shred of character or integrity ever "lighten up" in the face of this kind of evil sickness. It has killed more than any physical illness. The only acceptable response is to get up in his face and stay there.

Sincerely,

An American

Tee It Up
07-30-05, 15:04
Wastrel,

After reading your post I can picture you, Juniour and Clandestine at LA Cafe locked arm in arm, swaying back and forth singing “We Are The World” with the ladies giggling in the background.

Seriously, even though FP’s “selfish and lazy” comment was out of line remember the “race card” was first played by Clandestine, and Juniour even admits Clandestine hates the color of his own skin. Has this forum become so “politically correct” that a white person cannot discuss these things without being called a racist?

As a fan of your many postings, let’s get back to your dry wit reports and stop taking this shit too serious. We are fortunate to be able to exchange thoughts on touchy subjects of race, religion and even sex and I don’t think you should bash the owner of this forum for allowing this kind of discussion.

Now do me a favor, go catch a Celine Dion show out there in Vegas and stay out of the sun.

Member #1005
07-30-05, 21:10
Tio & FP

Amazing, I don’t know whether to be angry or sad for you both, because looking at your last couple of posts I think I am dealing with two 15 year old boys here; what happened did some girl turn you down because your shit is too small? I am not surprised in the way you are voraciously defending your racist rants, come on guys by now you should realise that the English drink of choice is tea not coffee, what did you ever learn in school? However, I must admit you two are spot on with my description, as an aggressive dreadlocked, black male or even a diseased "homie”, have you been spying on me?

To answer your question, yes you may be right about my experiences being shutdown or blown out as we call it here, in the LA Café I can never understand why it is that I am left with only all the vile old toothless dogs at 3000+ pesos short time while the other guys, no doubt like yourselves are with the models, part-time students, beauty queen and solid 10s and the likes at only 500 Pesos all night.

You are not the first person to mention that many of the girls in my photos are not all that, so let’s see why don’t you two actually try posting a report and share your photos something I have also mentioned to the other clowns – up to this date I can not find one single post from the pair of you nor one single photo. However, I can find posts from many others you have flamed in your short time on the forum Asian Rain, Deep Diver but let’s see what you’ve got here boys.

I look forward to seeing your posts; keep this up and Dumb and Dumber will be soon out of a job. Now come on guys after me, one, two, three..."We are the world"



Juniour

Tee It Up
07-30-05, 22:56
Tio & FP

Now come on guys after me, one, two, three..."We are the world"

JuniourPerhaps after you sing “We are the world” you guys could quickly chime in with “Ebony and Ivory”. You guys will have the LA Café girls howling with laughter as Clandestine escorts them away to catch the next latest and greatest STD.

I’m glad to see you are finally loosening up a little bit. I’m leaving next week for the P.I.. I’ll try and get some photos just for you but please don’t track them down if they send a message saying they don’t like Rastafarian’s. Deal?

Wastrel
08-01-05, 21:38
Has this forum become so “politically correct” that a white person cannot discuss these things without being called a racist?I hope the forum is not so far into the sewer that a racist isn't even identified as a racist. Those remarks were the definition of racism; it's not a close call. That sickening crap would get you thrown in the stockade in leg irons with a dishonorable dischange from the US military, kicked to the curb by security and banned from the premises from any casino in Vegas, fired by any major employer, evicted by any property manager. Polictical correctness has nothing to do with it. I am a politically conservative white guy, and I would personally do the firing and evicting with great enthusiasm if some scum did that in my place of business, and so would virtually anyone else. One should be called racist when they are, in fact, clearly racist, and not feign surprise when others react with revulsion.

Tee It Up
08-02-05, 17:40
I hope the forum is not so far into the sewer that a racist isn't even identified as a racist. Those remarks were the definition of racism; it's not a close call. That sickening crap would get you thrown in the stockade in leg irons with a dishonorable dischange from the US military, kicked to the curb by security and banned from the premises from any casino in Vegas, fired by any major employer, evicted by any property manager. Polictical correctness has nothing to do with it. I am a politically conservative white guy, and I would personally do the firing and evicting with great enthusiasm if some scum did that in my place of business, and so would virtually anyone else. One should be called racist when they are, in fact, clearly racist, and not feign surprise when others react with revulsion.Wastrel,

You would have fit right in on the jury of the O.J. Simpson trial. All it takes is for a black man (OJ) to call a white man (Mark Furman) a racist and a jury let's the guy off for murder. That's almost what you are endorsing for Clandestine.

Congratulations. Whatever makes you feel better.

Member #1005
08-03-05, 08:14
wastrel,

you would have fit right in on the jury of the o.j. simpson trial. all it takes is for a black man (oj) to call a white man (mark furman) a racist and a jury let's the guy off for murder. that's almost what you are endorsing for clandestine.


tiu,

you seem to be missing the point here, so let me break it down for you.

fp made some racists remarks that have no place in a civilized society, but for some reason he is unable to speak up for himself, which is why you are speaking for him.

but i suggest before you start typing some clever response that you actually go back and read what your pal had said and then read it again. because those sweeping racist comments were not in any way anything to do with discussing racial issues, they were.


“plain and simply racist comments”

you keep defending this freedom of speech line, that is acceptable but what fp did was dragging the forum to a new low. from what i can understand what you and fp are saying is that: “all black people share the same views as clandestine, are all diseased homies, and if we are not with you we are all against you?”

oj simpson is a “rich celebrity”, who happened to be black i am sure any other "rich celebrity", black, white, hispanic or asian with have no doubt got the same verdict. it was certainly not a black or white issues it’s a simple rich famous celebrity issue. do you know how many people have accused police of being racist and are currently behind bars doing life sentences or on death row?

everybody on this forum has their own opinions on what constitutes “a hot girl”, the best places to go for mongering and how much they want to pay. however, one thing we are agreed on is that the comments were way out of line.

Tee It Up
08-03-05, 17:43
Juniour and Wastrel,

I must say how happy I am for bringing you two together on this race issue. It seems like only yesterday you whankers were quibbling over whether or not you can drink the tap water in the P.I. Just think how close you two are now. I feel I should send you a bill for my services. Believe me, it’s not easy bringing together a paunchy, balding, middle aged conservative guy living in Las Vegas suffering from “White Guilt” with an angry, arrogant, dreadlocked Jamaican living in the U.K while roaming the subways of London.

Wastrel, I used to think you were a pretty intelligent guy. After reading post #388 suggesting you could throw me in the stockade with leg irons or evict me from my home suggests you have never been in the military nor know much about U.S. Law. In the meantime, continue to point your boney finger at me and call me a racist. Like I said, whatever makes you feel better.

Juniour, what can I say about you that has not already been said by countless other mongers. You are an arrogant, know-it-all Rastafarian who hates it when you get trumped with the ladies by a white guy. I can only suggest if you want to upgrade next time you are in the P.I., then lose the dreadlocks.

Clandestinie, an angry African-American who hates his skin color, where are you? Are you in a hospital being treated for HIV for your proclivity for bareback sex? How many innocent girls have you infected? Do you think they can afford the medical treatment you are getting?

Anyway boys, I’d love to continue this discussion but I’m about to begin my journey to the beautiful Philippine Islands. While Wastrel and Juniour are keeping themselves busy whacking themselves off, I will be with a couple of beautiful Filipina ladies having the time of my life. In the meantime, I will let the management at LA Café know you guys are practicing your “Ebony and Ivory” lyrics to entertain the ladies upon your arrival. Here are the lyrics:

Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony.
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord, why don’t we?
We all know that people are the same where ever we go.
There is good and bad in everyone,
We learn to live, we learn to give.
Each other what we need to survive together alive.

Ebony and ivory live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard, oh lord why don’t we?

Ebony, ivory living in perfect harmony
Ebony, ivory, ooh

Pute Nut
08-04-05, 02:47
why can't we all get along...and get back to posting about sex in the pi?

frankly this "race card" playing is getting old. slavery - which of course was a terrible thing - has been abolished for long now. nobody of us whities around now did partake in it. guaran-friggin-teed. unless you believe in inheritable sins, i think we should be considered innocent on that count.

in fact, some of us would argue that, today, more whites are being killed and raped by blacks than the other way around, and that many of those crimes are, if not outright racist, at least racially biased. but that's another discussion, perhaps more suitable to carry on on another board.

now, gentlemen, can we please get back on topic? thanks!

Dashing Don
08-04-05, 10:01
Thanks for some witty posts, TIU. I know I was chuckling when I read them, and I assume many others were too.

Without getting into who is right or wrong, I'll note that last year I posted a trip report on my one and only visit to Cartagena, Colombia wherein I had the temerity to note that this Caribbean city, unlike other Colombian cities, had a large black population that was poor. Well you can guess the rest. In this case, the 'white guilt contingent' was led by a humorless knowall named Surfer, a kind of Colombian version of Junior, if you will. I tried to engage them intelligently, even proffering the fact that I am married to a dark South American myself, and therefore, highly unlikely to be a racist, but it was futile. I was treated like I was Bull Connor or something. Your humor-laden approach is much better.

Like you, I was surprised at Wastrel. I remember him writing some very intelligent stuff.

I'll be in the PI myself in two weeks. The Peninsula in Makati offers an internet rate of $135 plus tax, which would get you a holiday Inn in the US, so I'll be there for several days, and then on to Boracay probably. This is an outstanding hotel and a perfect place to entertain female friends.

If anyone is in town 8/19-8/27, give me a shout.

Don

GoodEnough
08-04-05, 11:58
I was out, alone, last night in Zamboanga, and I happened to meet two US Mlitary guys, one black and one white, who invited me to join them. I had an excellent evening, and I was quietly reflecting to myself, being of an advanced enough age to remember some of the bitter struggles of the 60's, how far we had come as a nation. For one thing, the black guy, who was from Tennessee, outranked the white guy, who was from Detroit. For another, they were best friends. and for still another, the issue of race never came up. Amazing. And here are the two of you verbally duking it out like the last forty-five years or so have never happened. If you want to hate each other, fine with me. But for the sake of the rest of us, take it private, and base it on something a little more substantial than skin color and hair styles.
GE

Member #1005
08-04-05, 12:35
Pute Nut,

Agreed with your comments, but I am not aware of anyone playing the “race card”, here. I suggest you actually read back from post #388 and the following to get a clearer idea about what this argument is about. It was my understanding this is about a racist comments being posted on the forum, nothing to do with who has the biggest dick here (me).

TIU

Yes, you sure told me a thing or two about myself; anyway we are waiting here with bated breath (and large box of tissues) for your post and photos, have a good trip!!

Just a couple of points:

“Wankers” is commonly spelt without the “h”

I believe Wastral and I disagreed about the quality of the ice in the bars and not the water.

We still do not have subways in London, it's an Underground System.

But wait Shock and horror what is this scandal on the forum?

After reading post #388 suggesting you could throw me in the stockade with leg irons or evict me from my home suggests you have never been in the military nor know much about U.S. Law. In the meantime, continue to point your boney finger at me and call me a racist. Like I said, whatever makes you feel better.

If I am not mistaken it was your pal FP who wrote those offending remarks in post #388? But you responded without any clear and rational thinking by saying: “me”, looks like you slipped up here pal, so TIU & FP are really the same person????? So you are logging onto the forum with two different ip addresses and e-mail address, just hope your boss doesn’t catch you at work posting on the ISG.

It all fits into place now, as to why you were so eager to defend your ‘alter ego’ – its kind of sad really that someone has to invent a second identity to make themselves look – like, well whatever you are trying to do there. Especially your silly golf pissing incident, what the hell was that all about? It would have been more plausible if you had made up a story about scoring with five beauty queens that you picked up from the LA Café at 500 Pesos for 24 hours – even I would have believed that!


On your other comments What can you say that has not already been said about, geeze thanks but I don’t come here for the platitudes, I don’t need you to kiss my ass as well, I leave that for the ladies, maybe there are people in Davoa who enjoy that type of thing but I am not one of them. On being “a know it all”, may I offer you some free bits of information, that you will find useful in your life ahead of you.

First, “If you want friends then buy yourself a dog." The second, if you want to appear intelligent then you should only discuss things that you know about. I get paid for what I know, not what I think.

I recommend that you also consider taking a vacation to London and Jamaica because you obviously have some warped ideas about Jamaica and Jamaicans per se.

Thanks for your advise on upgrading my life, but geeze thanks again for the tip but my life is pretty good right now, I usually fly business class on certain carriers where I can accumulate sufficient rewards to use for more flight or can pay for my stay in certain hotel chains used by the carriers. I personally don’t believe in trying to do things on the cheap because it’s a false economy you only get what you pay for in life – girls included.

But I am wondering how to be more like you because when I meet girls they always tend to hang around and keep in touch with me – I wish I could be more like you in a being a wham bam, pay them, they’re gone type of guy. :D


Juniour

Wastrel
08-05-05, 13:16
...suggesting you could throw me in the stockade with leg irons or evict me from my home suggests you have never been in the military nor know much about U.S. Law...No sir, I did not "suggest" it, I said so very directly and explicitly. Every recruit in the US Military is informed of this in no uncertain terms by an officer and an NCO as soon as they get off the bus in basic training, and that behavior while in the uniform of the USA most definitely will and has resulted in an immediate trip to the stockade and a dishonorable discharge. That has been true for decades, becuase it has long been the the policy that racist crap such as that will not be tolerated as it destroys unit cohesion and gets people killed in military operations, as well as being repugnant to everything the US military exists to defend. Please enlist in any branch of the service and try it and see what happens to you. I would pay to go back and watch. You will quickly find your jailhouse lawyering will not help you with the Uniform Code of Military Justice any more than it will get you to require a property owner or businessman to put up with you on his premises, and nearly any American business of any size INCLUDING THIS ONE has an explicit policy to throw out anyone engaging in such disgusting behavior. I have indeed evicted and terminated individuals engaging in that behavior, and will no doubt have occasion to do so again, and have never lost a contested case for such termination of tenancy or employment. Smell the coffee. Very few people of any political persuasion outside of a prison yard wish to tolerate crude sleazy racial slurs. You have every right to be a vile racist in your private life in your own trailer park if you wish, but not to require others to accomodate you or to be exempt from consequences when engaging in such sickening behavior. And no man of any character would ever give it indirect support through silence and let it pass. I think you knew that when you did it.

But just in case you are really so dense that you think that kind of thing is actually acceptable outside of some "polically correct" environment, or someone out there gets the idea this would actually be condoned by Americans, this is from the United States Air Force personnel manual describing offenses which every officer is required to report for disciplinary action or prosecution:

7.1.1.1. Incidents motivated by race, color, national origin...
7.1.2. Incidents may include, but are not limited to, the following elements: The use of a slur(s) based on race, color, national origin, religion or sex, vandalism/degrading graffiti, hate group activity, discriminatory epithets, signs or symbols.
Page 66,
AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 36-2706
29 JULY 2004

SB Lumens
08-06-05, 09:34
Give me a f'in break Wastrel!

The AFA is the largest haven of extreme right-wing 'Christian' conservatives the federal government has ever hosted.

The second-in-command has had is second star held up and is possibly up for investigation for his heavy-handed discriminatory rhetoric.

You have some nerve holding up the USAF as a bastion for 'tolerance', citing code, blah, blah.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/22/AR2005062200598.html

Member #1005
08-07-05, 21:17
Face Pisser and Tee it up are two different people. I'm sure when Tee it up takes a break from banging one of the hottest gals I've ever seen in the PI and reads your accusation about he and I being one in the same, he'll post a response. Just ask Jackson to check on the origination location of his post vs. mine

Yes, we believe you :) you're a sad, sad, sad, sad, pathetic man - give it up, you have been caught out! Get some help!

Juniour

Member #4020
08-08-05, 05:40
What is a good daily budget not including plane fare but including:

- A clean well air-conditioned room with hot water and safe
- Meals
- Light to moderate drinking
- One girl a night, mostly but not exclusively the light-skinned KTV types

I plan to stay in the Manila area. My tastes are pretty discriminate, since there are plenty of philipinas in my home town, and I am not in the least dazzled by the exotica factor. I am pretty accurate with ages, and am looking for young hotties only.

Member #1005
08-08-05, 08:17
Juniour, pay attention, this is typical defense mechanism. Whenever someone is getting their ass handed to them in a debate, they simply change the subject and try to discredit the person they are debating.

Yes this is true exactly what you are doing now, so why don’t you explain yourself and your earlier comments, (down below) instead of jumping from subject to subject trying to steer us away from the real truth. Get some help man!!

Be careful in the internet café pal :D

GoodEnough
08-08-05, 14:11
Member 4020:

It really depends on the class of place in which you want to eat and where you will go for drinks. If you hang around the more upscale places, even if you're only spending $50 a day for a room, you better plan on about $200 per day. If you're ready to settle for a little less, you should be able to get by with about $125 - $150. If you want to eat at fast food joints, and drink beer in places like LA Cafe, then obviously you can get along for a lot less. Remember, if you pay bar fines, about the minimum you're going to have to pay is PhP2,000, which is about $36, so that will also put a hole in your wallet.

:D

GE

Dashing Don
08-08-05, 14:20
Junior,

Once and for all, I have no connection to FP or TIU. What made you think I did? Read my posts that span several years and places. There's no way that stuff could be made up.

If necessary, email jackson, who I've met on several occasions. Or Good Enough, who I've also met. They'll verify that I'm no cyber creation.

This is getting ridiculous.

If you keep this up, I'll be forced to enlist the assistance of Mikster to straighten this out. I know you don't want that.


Don

GoodEnough
08-08-05, 14:30
Actually Juniour, I don't want any part of this mess, but it's true, I did meet Dashing and my lady and I had dinner with him. I can certainly attest that he's an actual person, and a nice guy to boot.
GE

Member #1005
08-08-05, 17:58
Junior,

Once and for all, I have no connection to FP or TIU. What made you think I did? .

If you keep this up, I'll be forced to enlist the assistance of Mikster to straighten this out. I know you don't want that.

Dashing Don/ TIU/ FP,

I suppose you are not too familiar with the word “Embarrassment” you have reacted exactly as I would have expected.

The bottom line is, keep your racist comments off the forum, you have been caught out pal. But honestly, how can you take seriously any man who has to resort to pathetic public threats?

Remember talk is cheap, but PM me I would love to meet up with you someday.

Juniour

Tee It Up
08-09-05, 07:26
Hey Jamaican Boy,

Whoa, just checked into my hotel here in Makati and fired up the laptop to discover how many personalities I have! Gee, in addition to being an alleged racist, now you’ve got me pegged as a person with more personalities than Cybil. After reading your many postings I can only assume you are suffering from an early stage of Mad Cow disease, a late stage of Syphilis or more likely been taking too many tokes off that Jamaican weed you’ve been selling in the London subways. Dude, you’re getting paranoid and your mind has turned into mush. I suggest you get some help ASAP.

I’ve got some more bad news for you. Remember recently a fellow monger mentioned to one of the ladies here in town that swallowing semen will make their skin turn white? Apparently, this rumor is rampant here on P. Burgos. Last night the topic was brought up at one of the bars I visited. Anyway, one of the gals asked me what would happen if a girl swallowed semen from an African (her words, not mine). I immediately thought of you and responded with a non committal “What do you think?” At that point, I noticed a rather unattractive gal (obviously one of Juniour’s conquests) staring at her forearms with a worried look on her face.

Seriously Juniour, instead of lecturing people here why don’t you just start your own forum and decide yourself who is worthy of posting. I’m sure you will have 2 hits per day, and I’m not talking about Jamaican weed here.

Member #1005
08-09-05, 21:24
FP/TIU/Jakers & Dashin Don,

I must say I am disappointed by your last post I was expecting something full of “wit” there, (that’s what you keep telling yourself) instead I found a sad post from a pathetic man full of racial slurs. Semen drinking?? Do get real here buddy, where do you think you are, this is the Philippines not Mars. But I am not angry, I am just sorry for you, what went so terribly wrong in your life pal?

For a correction point, I did not say “alleged” racist, however, from your last tirade I would have to say “confirmed”. You have never acknowledged that post #388 was wrong instead you keep changing the subject, throwing dirt and attack anyone who also says it was wrong as being a white person filled with “white guilt” over slavery, frightened to discuss racial issues.

Anyway I am looking forward to reading your post and viewing your photos, should your fat ass manage to get it up. But you must be a genius pal, don’t you know in the bars at night there is only one color that matters and that is the color of your money. Keep shelling out the dough pal, the girls all need the latest cameraphones and we’re all waiting to read your posts.

Well, here’s a song for you: “Oh, yes, I am the great pretender ♪ oh woo woo♪…..pretending that I’m doing well”


GE, I appreciate that you have met DD but believe the others characters are all imaginary.

Marconista
08-09-05, 21:53
Why dont you kids (not gentlemen) SHUT THE FU*K UP, and get back to the mission of this forum, discussing ladies and P4P.

Cebu Local
08-10-05, 00:03
Why dont you kids (not gentlemen) SHUT THE FU*K UP, and get back to the mission of this forum, discussing ladies and P4P.
Kamusta Marconista
FYI there is an IGNORE function on the board,If the debate bothers you,It can be activated so you dont have to see their posts.Some people are using it on Sugar Bubba in the China Photo thread.So when will you be back?

Tee It Up
08-10-05, 04:27
Hey Rastafarian Boy,

You and your tubby friend from Las Vegas keep referring to post #388. Didn’t this start on #371 when you ratted on your bro Clandestine who sent you a PM asking about where to get bareback sex in the P.I.? I think you devastated the poor bastard when you outed him. Perhaps he was really coming on to YOU.

Anyway, I’d like to start a collection for you two guys to pay for your next mongering trip to Nigeria. WSG could use some fresh postings there and I’m sure you boys will enjoy your stay much better than the P.I.. OK with you?

Wastrel, your post #396 was a real knee slapper. You really have a lot of time on your hands. How many hours of google search did it take to come up with the USAF Personnel Manual? Are you still pretending to have served in the U.S. Military? If you had, your commanding officer would have shown you what to do with your pointing finger of accusation and sent your fat ass back to work in the latrine.

Member #1005
08-11-05, 08:06
You and your tubby friend from Las Vegas keep referring to post #388. Didn’t this start on #371 when you ratted on your bro Clandestine who sent you a PM asking about where to get bareback sex in the P.I.? I think you devastated the poor bastard when you outed him


Hey I am still looking for this “wit” you profess to claim to have, I read your posts several times, forwards and backwards and could find no evidence of your so-called wit. If it’s any consolation to you I do find "you" funny or rather a joke, in the effort you are putting into this charade.

Anyway, l know you are not psychologically balanced right now, anyway just for clarification:

In post #371 it was simply two men in a discussion, there were no insults thrown between us Nowhere did race come into this and why should it? It was You that brought race and the race card into the forum with post #388 and down to a new low.

Naturally, you are enjoying this thread being an asshole in life, I guess in your regular 9-5 no one takes notice of you, people walk past you on the street and don’t know or care who you are. I bet in school you never dated the popular girls and possible lost your virginity well into late in your teens, after large sums of money changed hands or on your wedding night. So of course you are excited by some attention in your life here hiding behind the anonymity of the forum to post your pathetic racist views.


But on your point the other day about my women and photos not being up to your “high” standard, with over 200 photos posted and on average 2,500 views each, this adds up to around half a million views of my photos. Now let me see how many photos have you posted? hmmmmm let me see, one, two zero? How many decent posts have you actually put up on this site? Hmmmmm, stuck again?? However, you are correct about one thing because since late last year, I have not been posting my best photos after someone contacted me and asked me why I was giving away all my good stuff for free when I could sell them. I have been approached three times with regards to this very subject and if they are so bad why do people want to buy them maestro?

So I am waiting to be blown away here and see what you’ve got here; so why not try 'actually' posting something?

JP2U
08-11-05, 08:35
For the last 3 days (and 14 posts) I've found nothing having to do with "General Info" about the Philippines. Sorry about the sad state of your forum Jackson.. hope it'll get back in order soon.

Tee It Up
08-12-05, 00:34
However, you are correct about one thing because since late last year, I have not been posting my best photos after someone contacted me and asked me why I was giving away all my good stuff for free when I could sell them. I have been approached three times with regards to this very subject and if they are so bad why do people want to buy them maestro?Ah, Ha Ha Ha Ha! Juniour, that was the funniest thing I have ever seen you say about yourself. I almost died laughing when I read this. This is the kind of humor we have been waiting for from you. I’m sure you have Hugh Hefner shaking in his slippers worried about his empire falling apart because you allegedly have some photos which people want to buy from you. I mean seriously, are you for real? Without question you are a legend in your own mind.

Actually, you are doing a great service for the ladies here in the P.I.. You have set the bar of expectations so low for any rookies who are coming into town; they will be blown away with the talent here compared to your conquests. So please keep your “good stuff” to yourself so Hugh Hefner will not be driven into bankruptcy.

Anyway, let’s bring this debate to an end. Even I am getting bored with this now. I’m also getting worried you are about to have another special thread with your name attached. Does that tell you anything?

Member #1005
08-12-05, 08:44
Juniour - Legend In His Own Mind....

FP/TIU/DD,

Actually I could have sworn it was Larry Flint and not Hugh Hefner, but who knows??

Anyway dude keep working at it, one day you could be like me, well apart from the small pecker and of course you can never be black, but apart from that just loose the big belly, double chin, diet and look and learn.

I can hardly contain myself here with excitement at reading your post and view your photos with hot Filippina babes, which you will no doubt be posting. Now I know how all those kids much have felt at the release of the latest Harry Potter book.

:D

J Boy
08-12-05, 20:58
FP/TIU/DD,

Actually I could have sworn it was Larry Flint and not Hugh Hefner, but who knows??

Anyway dude keep working at it, one day you could be like me, well apart from the small pecker and of course you can never be black, but apart from that just loose the big belly, double chin, diet and look and learn.

I can hardly contain myself here with excitement at reading your post and view your photos with hot Filippina babes, which you will no doubt be posting. Now I know how all those kids much have felt at the release of the latest Harry Potter book.

:D

I am so tired of flames - by both sides.

Good Barr
08-13-05, 15:34
Fellow members,

I would appreciate any suggestions for the best place online to get low airfares to the Philippines. I plan to travel there in December. Would appreciate any suggestions.

Fred C Dobbs
08-14-05, 03:39
I had good luck on airfares last December with www.bt-store.com.

Domino
08-17-05, 13:47
http://www.philembassy.se/consulr/info/prprpfr.htm
Is the following true: if you invest US$50,000 in the Philippines, you get a long term visa. This sounds like a very interesting business proposition and seems very different from the set up in Thailand etc. When I get back to civilization, I will check this up more but I have been made a business offer and I want to move it along. Thanks for any relevant leads.
Does anyone know if here have been any major problems with this?

Cebu Local
08-17-05, 22:50
http://www.philembassy.se/consulr/info/prprpfr.htm
Is the following true: if you invest US$50,000 in the Philippines, you get a long term visa. This sounds like a very interesting business proposition and seems very different from the set up in Thailand etc. When I get back to civilization, I will check this up more but I have been made a business offer and I want to move it along. Thanks for any relevant leads.
Does anyone know if here have been any major problems with this?You can also leave the money in the bank,If you are at least forty five years old and apply for the special retiree visa.This program is under the Phillipine Leisure retirement Authority.Likewise being a resident of the Subic Free port also gives you a visa,but you have to invest or rent a house in subic.But this allows you to bring in your car and import all your needs duty free.This are other options,just feel free to ask if you have more questions

X Man
08-18-05, 03:42
I was looking at condo prices and they seem quite cheap (like everything else in the Philppines). Has anyone bought a condo in PI, even though they don't live full time in the country? Apparently you avoid some of the problems regarding the law that doesn't allow foreigners to own LAND.

It seems a lot of guys are doing this just to have a place for their girlfriend, but that isn't what I had in mind.

If you could rent the place out when you aren't there, plus appreciation, I wonder if this would be a good investment, especially considering the money you WOULD NOT spend on hotels.

There are a lot of agents doing this kind of business. One that I found, with an interesting name is condomillion.com

X Man

Domino
08-18-05, 09:04
I guess the tihng about buying a condo is location. As the Phils is such a fucked up place, don';t count on appreciation: though lots of big developments in Manila; Robinsons have one in Ermita.
Cebu Local: please check your pms.

Cebu Local
08-18-05, 10:41
I guess the tihng about buying a condo is location. As the Phils is such a fucked up place, don';t count on appreciation: though lots of big developments in Manila; Robinsons have one in Ermita.
Cebu Local: please check your pms.Hi Domino You got mail,I am more then happy to help.Regards

Fastpiston
08-19-05, 05:33
Think very very carefully before buying. Do you really want to stay in the same location and country? Do you want to invest your money in the Philippine Peso long-term: consider that some say the financial position of Philippines is not far off that of Argentina before it defaulted-in which case you will not get your money out even if you could sell. Check carefully the 'actual' service charges. Are you sure the building was built properly, especially against earthquakes (most builders take hefty short-cuts on this)? With hotel costs so cheap maybe the best and most flexible solution is to stay in hotels. You can negotiate special rates with hotels if you want to stay longer term.

Domino
08-19-05, 06:21
The late Cardinal Sin quipped that, though they got Ali Baba (Marcos), the 40 thieves escaped. The Phils has a lot more than 40 thieves, or 40 Ali Babas for that matter. Politics seems to consist of local clans running private fiefdoms as they see fit. And the Chinese.........
What about the Asian Development Bank? How come that is based in Manila. Is the ABD just another Goodfellas racket? I should think so.
Also, how easy is it for foreigners to legally arm themselves to the hilt in the Phils? Like enough to deter a mini army? Without an independent militia, any outside group would be prone to Abu Sayef dropping by.
It seems to me that the Phils is much more wretched than any big Latin American country. Is there any organization in that country which is not totally and utterly corrupt? Is there any building block there>
The Phils has all kinds of so called financial incentives to live there. But its GDP/cap continues to slide while Thailand's forges ahead. Also, the concept of rule of law seems to be unknown there. This means that foreigners would have to either live anonymously or behind massive security defenses such as those in Manila's Greenhills or thorw themselves to the mercy of the wolves, who being Pinoy, would be assuredly hungry.

Mahku
08-19-05, 09:48
Had a great time here for just over a month. I got to spend time with regular GFE type girls in Manila, Cagayan, Cebu and Davao. Of course in between there were numerous other less regular encounters. I also had the pleasure of meeting forum members DBoy, Spam Hog and Good Enough. There were a couple of others I might have met but they were sadly unavailable.

ATMs

My Cirrus card from the States worked just fine anywhere. The Plus card I had from HSBC in the UAE was another matter. I went all over Cagayan de Oro trying it in machines that said they accepted Plus but they all spit it back saying the PIN number was wrong. When I got to the HSBC branch in Cebu it worked just fine. It could have been a problem with having a 6-digit PIN number. Banks that say they accept Plus include Equitable PCI, China Bank and Metrobank. But if you have a choice between using a Cirrus card or a Plus card I would use Cirrus.

Connections into the country besides Manila.

The number of international flights into Cebu are scheduled to increase by quite a lot in the near future, mainly to other Asian destinations. Existing routes like Seoul and Hong Kong will add flights. New routes will open to mainland China. Silk Air to Singapore is every day and Qatar Airways also will increase to every day, going to Singapore on the way to Doha. I think there's also Malaysian to Kuala Lumpur. This way you can avoid Manila, one of the worst airports in Asia if not the world. I haven't heard about increased connections to Davao. Silk Air flies to Singapore every day. Each day the route alternates between going to Cebu first or Davao first. There are also some connections to Indonesia which I hear aren't very dependable. There's also a lot of news about flights to Clark from various points in Asia.

Costs

Hotels rates have gone up noticeably in the last year. For example Marriott in Cebu was 1000 more than this time last year. Understandably with the price of oil these days, domestic flight fares have gone up somewhat. Both hotels and flights are more and more likely to be full so it's harder than it used to be to just pick up and go somewhere on a whim. Taxi fares have only gone up a little, but you have to wonder how long before they go up even more.

Happily, costs for mongering seem to have held steady. Barfines and ST prices are the same as before.

Politics and Stability

Like Domino and others have said, the place is a hopeless mess and not looking to get better anytime soon. In a jackal and vulture like way this is good for the monger, creating more and more women in 'need.' But if things get much worse then the security situation could start to go bad. Only the monumental patience of the common people holds things together now and hopefully they won't reach their limit anytime soon. I won't want to be around when they do. There's not much point in looking to the politicians for hope. I never hear of a single one that has the common good in mind. It goes without saying that any investment here is very high risk.

So how are things for the monger now?

Well, fantastic really. I felt like it was easier than ever to meet stunning women for any purpose: one night stand, wham bam, GFE, longer term commitment. It's all there. This trip was as good or better than any of the 23 other times I was here. As long as the place stays stable then it should stay one of the best places in the world for the hobby.

Finally, a girl from Club Exotica in Cebu.

Kojack
08-27-05, 11:57
Some questions to the members:

- Any more freelnacer bar at Manila same LA cafe ?

- Where is recommend to stay ( area + hotels )if I wanna be close to LA cafe ?

- How safe is to walk by night at Manila vs. BKK ?

Diver69
08-27-05, 16:50
Hello fellow mongers,

I'm looking to get some of the girls I met on the chatline to meet me in Cebu, and I was wondering what's the best way to go about this.

I need to buy them plane tickets (from Gen San and from Manila), and I want to have a relatively safe way of doing this. Does anyone have a reliable travel agent in Gen San who can take my oder over the phone or by e-mail?

Cebu Local mentioned that local agents sell tickets a little cheaper than booking online; so I figured this would be the best way. By the way, Cebu Local, aren't you in this travel business? Do you do small potatoes like this or is this too small for your company (from your posts, it sounds like you're into bigger transactions). Send me an e-mail and let me know, will you please?

I really don't want to send the girls money directly to buy the ticket, because I don't want to be left holding the bag (or in this case, unused condoms) waiting for a no-show at the airport. Now, I know, even if I buy her the ticket, she can probably still sell the ticket and cash it in.

Does anyone know anyway around this dilemma?

Also, I'll need a flight from Cebu to Manila for myself, which I plan to get once I arrive in Cebu. Any suggestion for a travel agent in Cebu?

Appreciate your help.

Thanks.

Diver69

Cebu Local
08-28-05, 00:25
Hello fellow mongers,

I'm looking to get some of the girls I met on the chatline to meet me in Cebu, and I was wondering what's the best way to go about this.

I need to buy them plane tickets (from Gen San and from Manila), and I want to have a relatively safe way of doing this. Does anyone have a reliable travel agent in Gen San who can take my oder over the phone or by e-mail?

Cebu Local mentioned that local agents sell tickets a little cheaper than booking online; so I figured this would be the best way. By the way, Cebu Local, aren't you in this travel business? Do you do small potatoes like this or is this too small for your company (from your posts, it sounds like you're into bigger transactions). Send me an e-mail and let me know, will you please?

I really don't want to send the girls money directly to buy the ticket, because I don't want to be left holding the bag (or in this case, unused condoms) waiting for a no-show at the airport. Now, I know, even if I buy her the ticket, she can probably still sell the ticket and cash it in.

Does anyone know anyway around this dilemma?

Also, I'll need a flight from Cebu to Manila for myself, which I plan to get once I arrive in Cebu. Any suggestion for a travel agent in Cebu?

Appreciate your help.

Thanks.

Diver69Hi Diver
Even though I do large deals,I also do retail stuff also.The solution is to buy the girls e tickets or electronic tickets.That way they cannot sell the ticket or have it used by any other person,but themselves.That way all they need to show valid ID and the confirmation number to fly.Cebu Pacific and PAL have e tickets.But for Cebu,Try getting Cebu Pacific,For a Cebu Travel agent You can contact(not my agency but a friend)AAI travel and Tours Jacky Veloso Inbound Manager 63-32-3410990-92,341-4650 cell no 63-917 -328-7063 Jacky is a friend and real helpful,Her office is right near the airport in Mactan.
Let me know when you get in.There is no need for a General Santos Travel agent,If you use e tickets,You can just email her confirmation number.Best part,She cannot use a fake name since she has to use a valid ID to use her e ticket.Cheers

Diver69
08-28-05, 14:38
Hey Cebu Local,

Thanks for the info and recommendations. I will go the e-ticket route.
Do you know if AAI will do the reservation over the phone with me with payment by credit card?

Also, I check the Cebu Pacific website, and they don't fly between Gen San and Cebu, so I assume you meant Cebu to Manila, right?

How far in advance would you recommend booking the tickets?

Also, any opinion on the price I was quoted for Metropolis Court Hotel (2050 pesos incl b/f for 2)?

Much appreciated.

Diver69

Dboy
08-28-05, 20:37
I just bought a Cebu - Manila one way for about PHP2800. A few things to keep in mind:

You must buy at least 3 days in advance if you buy online. I bought over the phone, and then had to get to the airport a little early to actually get my ticket from the ticket office at the airport.

The price used to be more like PHP3200. Maybe it's a seasonal change. Check out Mubahay Class, which is similiar to Business Class. I paid about PHP4200 for Mubahay Class. Less than $20 compared to the PHP3200 fare. It allows more checked baggage, access to the Lounge with food and internet, plus a meal onboard, and a much better seat.

Also, the traveller may be asked to show the credit card that was used for the purchase. This could be a problem for the girl. I'll defer to Cebu Local on this, just wanted to bring it up for discussion.

Cebu Local
08-28-05, 23:07
Hey Cebu Local,

Thanks for the info and recommendations. I will go the e-ticket route.
Do you know if AAI will do the reservation over the phone with me with payment by credit card?
PM ME IF YOU HAVE ANY PROBLEMS AND I WILL GIVE JACKY A CALL
Also, I check the Cebu Pacific website, and they don't fly between Gen San and Cebu, so I assume you meant Cebu to Manila, right?CORRECT THE PAL FLIGHT IS ALWAYS LATE,YESTERDAY MY FLIGHT BACK To CEBU WAS DELAYED FOR ABOUT AN HOUR
How far in advance would you recommend booking the tickets?AT LEAST 3-4 DAYS

Also, any opinion on the price I was quoted for Metropolis Court Hotel (2050 pesos incl b/f for 2)?IT IS HIGH FOR THAT QUALITY OF HOTEL

Much appreciated.

Diver69GLAD TO BE OF HELP

Cebu Local
08-28-05, 23:09
I just bought a Cebu - Manila one way for about PHP2800. A few things to keep in mind:

You must buy at least 3 days in advance if you buy online. I bought over the phone, and then had to get to the airport a little early to actually get my ticket from the ticket office at the airport.

The price used to be more like PHP3200. Maybe it's a seasonal change. Check out Mubahay Class, which is similiar to Business Class. I paid about PHP4200 for Mubahay Class. Less than $20 compared to the PHP3200 fare. It allows more checked baggage, access to the Lounge with food and internet, plus a meal onboard, and a much better seat.

Also, the traveller may be asked to show the credit card that was used for the purchase. This could be a problem for the girl. I'll defer to Cebu Local on this, just wanted to bring it up for discussion.This wont be a problem as long as she has valid ID and she just has to explain her "boyfriend" payed for it

X Man
08-29-05, 04:07
Good info on interisland travel. Let me add my two cents.

As for the really small airlines, I preferred SEAir over Asian Spirit. Other folk have seconded my opinion here and elsewhere. SEAir doesnt fly to Mindanao as far as Iknow. They have a excellent magazine as well, which you can access online if you register.

Cebu Pacific offices can often me found in the malls. At Ermita Robinsons it's just to the left of Starbucks (outside the mall).

In late July, I purchased these tickets. They were e-tickets.

MLA-Davao 2790 pesos
Davao-Cebu 2864 pesos
Cebu Manila 2034

Also, Cebu Pacific has some special with hotels so that you can get a discount.

BUT, I could do without their silly in flight games.

X Man

Cebu Local
08-29-05, 11:10
Good info on interisland travel. Let me add my two cents.

As for the really small airlines, I preferred SEAir over Asian Spirit. Other folk have seconded my opinion here and elsewhere. SEAir doesnt fly to Mindanao as far as Iknow. They have a excellent magazine as well, which you can access online if you register.

Cebu Pacific offices can often me found in the malls. At Ermita Robinsons it's just to the left of Starbucks (outside the mall).

In late July, I purchased these tickets. They were e-tickets.

MLA-Davao 2790 pesos
Davao-Cebu 2864 pesos
Cebu Manila 2034

Also, Cebu Pacific has some special with hotels so that you can get a discount.

BUT, I could do without their silly in flight games.

X ManSea Air has a better safety record in fact a perfect safety record.Being German owned and run might be a reason,Iren Dornier the Chairman is the grandson of the Legendary aircraft pioneer Claude Dornier.Games???Dont you just love Bring Me at 35,000 feet especially when they ask for shoes,Socks etc

GoodEnough
08-29-05, 11:13
The most recent price I paid for a Davao-Manila round trip on Cebu Pacific was PhP 5450, and I am pretty sure that PAL (plane always late) offers tickets for the same price.

XMan - I agree that the stupid games are a total pain in the ass, but the Filipino flying public seems to love them. I like Cebu Pacific because it at least tries hard to be interesting and to deliver service, even if it does not always succeed. The attitude of the Cebu Pacific staff is preferable to the humorless demeanor of the PAL ground staff and flight attendants, who never even bother to apologize for the chronic taridness of their flights.

Cebu Pacific, by the way, recently put on some new Airbus planes, which are clean and more comfortable than the old timers they fly.

:D

GE

Cebu Local
08-29-05, 11:29
GE
You forgot about the Karaoke singing contests which is a pain in the ears imagine 3-5 awful singers just as you are trying to get some sleep.They have introduced these in the Airbuses.PAL is also known as PAL-PAC which means failure in Tagalog.Plane always late Plane always cancelled.
CL

Member #1005
08-29-05, 13:17
You forgot about the Karaoke singing contests which is a pain in the ears imagine 3-5 awful singers just as you are trying to get some sleep.

Please, the flight from Manila - Cebu is only 55minutes and last September I actually won one their competitions on-board, however, I didn’t take the prize, a Cebu-Pacific t-shirt and wash bag, I have hundreds of the things and suggested they give it to the second place person. :)

A couple of tips however, its worth checking if PAL is running any special offers, silly me at the time could have got a cheaper price on PAL. The other thing to note is baggage allowance on Cebu Pacific they charge you for more than 20 kilos, on PAL if you typically travel with 30 kilos, like myself, they never charge me, when I say I am off an international flight.

X Man
08-29-05, 15:25
In case it wasn't already clear, I do prefer CP over PAL. The first time I flew PAL was in the days when you had to confirm flights....but no one ever answered the phone. Nice way to spend half a day of your holday....trying to call an airline to confirm a ticket you already paid for.

Second time, more recently, the interior looked pretty ragged which made me nervous about the rest of the plane. Of course I once did a ten hour flight on United where my reading light wouldn't work. At first it was still daylight so I opened the shade, but was scolded by the cabin attendatn (were these women ever beautiful???) who asked me to consider the other passengers who were trying to watch the movie.

What the F? Sit quietly in the dark for the next five hours.

Dornier. Great stories with this guy and this airline. Anyway, the owner of SEAIR is the grandson of a German guy who built airplanes / seaplanes during the war years. Company still exists and I suspect the grandson has not intention of tarnishing the image of the family name / business / airplane.

And did I mention before that the female staff wear miniskirts.

Just want to keep the post on topic so that Mr. Slim doesn't start complaining.

X Man

Diver69
08-29-05, 22:49
GLAD TO BE OF HELP
Thanks.

I'll be calling Jacky in the next day or so.

I'll also try calling Metropolis Court directly to see if they can give me a better quote.

After checking SE Air
s website, I'm tempted to adjust my itinerary to fly directly from Cebu to Angeles (well, not really direct, with a stopover) instead of flying into MNL and then taking a taxi/bus. The only problem is they only fly twice a week...

I'll see if I can adjust.

Thanks all for the help. Will keep everyone posted and will try to meet for a beer or two.

Diver69

Orgasm Donor
08-31-05, 14:48
I tried calling a couple girls in PI. I think they have SMART phone service on their mobile. when I call from my US phone, I dial +63 to call PI, and then the cellular number, but it doesnt go through. Am I supposed to leave out the first digit which is a zero for a cellular phone or something like that? Can somebody help me out with this?

Thanks Guys.

O.D.

Ilongo_boy
08-31-05, 15:31
I tried calling a couple girls in PI. I think they have SMART phone service on their mobile. when I call from my US phone, I dial +63 to call PI, and then the cellular number, but it doesnt go through. Am I supposed to leave out the first digit which is a zero for a cellular phone or something like that? Can somebody help me out with this?

Thanks Guys.

O.D.

Yes, leave the ZERO out (first digit) - +63920 then phone number.

IB

Orgasm Donor
08-31-05, 16:58
Thanks for that quick response Ilongo Boy! Cheers!

O.D.

Coochielover
09-01-05, 06:19
Guys,

I need some advice. I am currently living in the Philippines but I am new to using the web to meet girls. What Online Dating/Romance sites are you using and/or what Chat Rooms are you using to meet girls. Any advice is appreciated.

Cebu Local
09-01-05, 15:19
Guys,

I need some advice. I am currently living in the Philippines but I am new to using the web to meet girls. What Online Dating/Romance sites are you using and/or what Chat Rooms are you using to meet girls. Any advice is appreciated.Adult friend finder,Manila tonight,Friendster

Yella Man
09-05-05, 05:09
I'll Be in Angeles on the 9th of September. Could one of you senior members in the local area tell me what the current exchange rate is? Thanks in advance for any info you may provide.

Yella Man

Dinghy
09-05-05, 06:07
http://www.xe.com/ucc/

Yella Man
09-05-05, 10:24
Anyone know off-hand what it cost to take a flight outta Clark to Cebu? Gonna be in Angeles for about ten days and was thinking about trying some place new in the RP.

Yella Man

DataMater
09-06-05, 12:22
Anyone know off-hand what it cost to take a flight outta Clark to Cebu? Gonna be in Angeles for about ten days and was thinking about trying some place new in the RP.

Yella Man

Try SEAIR at the following website

http://www.flyseair.com/flightsched/ratesheet.pdf

Domino
09-08-05, 03:29
Cebu Pacific tell me they now, suddenlty, have a 30%+ surcharge. Can anyone else confirm this?

Porty
09-08-05, 04:18
I dont know about Cebu Pacific! But here in Australia every air line is putting fuel surcharge on! I just bought ticket to Manila and because it is 2 sectors the fuel surcharge was 120 dollars! But hey with the price of fuel, you have to expect that they want to make the same money! Any way its still cheap!

Cebu Local
09-08-05, 10:09
Cebu Pacific tell me they now, suddenlty, have a 30%+ surcharge. Can anyone else confirm this?I am an Authorized Cebu Pacific Agent,The answer unfortunately is YES

Skyway
09-10-05, 13:08
Hey all,

Could you please help. I was in Thailand last Christmass / new years and January. This year I am planning to go on the same trip, but am thinking about hitting Philpines instead of Thailand. Could the experts help in comparing the two places, in terms of women, fun, quality and cost. I would realy appreciate it as I have to make a decision soon.

Thank you!

Brad98
09-11-05, 20:14
I will be going to the PI in November and have a one night layover in Manila.

Do any Senior Members have any advice and where is the best place to go to find good looking girls?

Thanks

Cebu Local
09-12-05, 00:31
I will be going to the PI in November and have a one night layover in Manila.

Do any Senior Members have any advice and where is the best place to go to find good looking girls?

ThanksRTFF -polite form and then i will be more then happy to answer your SPECIFIC questions,on Burgos,Edsa Complex etc.Have a great trip to the PI

Fastpiston
09-12-05, 04:31
Skyway,
Your question is perhaps the most frequently asked in the Philippines forum. You will find much more in the site achives.
Very briefly, costs of girls in Bangkok vs Manila are approximately the same. Philippines. is cheaper if you go to Angeles City - but then you have to get there. Thailand has a far better tourism infrastructure, more things to see and do other than mongering and is much safer for first time visitors. Philippines spoken English is better than in Thailand, but then more action and less talk is not such a bad thing.

X Man
09-12-05, 11:15
Brad 98,

You'll probably find good looking girls on the airplane. If you are fllying any of the American airlines, you'll be especially delighted with the flight attendants. Although I've never indulged, they strike me as the type who would be happy to tie you up and spank you.

Good looking girls....you should try the Ukraine pen pal lists. The Filipina tend to be titless, 90lb and have flat noses. No one wears glasses in the Philippines 'cause of their noses....the glasses slide right off. Course they can't afford contacts, so if you're ugly this is a plus. The country girls tend to have scars on their legs....from the leaches. Hard work in the rice fields. Last I heard, the few remaining Filipina beauties were working in Japan, or already married to some pensioner in the 1st world.

One night layover, huh? Well, if you can't change your plans, just ask the taxi driver to take you to Smokey Mountain. I heard it's kind of romantic at the mountain. You never know what could happen.

If smokey moutain doesn't work out, try Burgos Ave.

So, where you headed "Brad" who graduated from high school in "98"?

X Man

X Man
09-12-05, 11:30
Fastpiston gives and excellent summary.

Thailand is certainly a wonderful place to go. I love the food and I love how 20ish women can be naturally ....bald. Love the bald girls. If you've been to Thailand you know what I mean. The beaches are better, more history...

I think the original question was rather narrow....something about mongering. If that is all you worry about, I can't see how you could have a bad time in either place.

Somehow I end up in the Philippines these days. The English edge means you might be invited to parties, have "normal dates", can give directions to a taxi driver, can meet people at the drop of a hat, etc, etc.

I truly envy the guys who've learned one of the more difficult languages inthe world....Thai.

ONE POINT......

Althought Thailand far surpasses the Philippines with regard to "infrastructure", you still have to be VERY careful with water and washed veggis in Thailand.

Does anyone know why this is? I've had no problems with tap water in the Philippines, although I don't recommend it. I've been deathly sick in Thailand on two occasions ...after eating salads....(although the real problem may be something entirely different...who knows).

Let me sum this up by quoting FP

X Man

Thailand has a far better tourism infrastructure, more things to see and do other than mongering and is much safer for first time visitors.

Brad98
09-12-05, 17:40
Hello all,

I am sorry that my quistion must have upset the members of this board. It was not my intention. I have been reading this board for about a year and have always found it to be friendly to new members posting. I did not graduate in 98 but the system would not let me use my regular screen name.

I find most of the ladies I have seeen pictures of on this board to be nice looking, but there seems to be some large differance of opinion on were to meet them. I have never been to the PI and I am going to gensan for my friends wedding, so I will have a one night stay in manila and wanted to go out and see some of the places I have read about on this board. I would like some advice from anyone who could help. I just dont want to end up having a poor time because I go to the wrong place and waist my one night in Manila.

Thank you for your help

Brad98

Cebu Local
09-12-05, 22:39
Hello all,

I am sorry that my quistion must have upset the members of this board. It was not my intention. I have been reading this board for about a year and have always found it to be friendly to new members posting. I did not graduate in 98 but the system would not let me use my regular screen name.

I find most of the ladies I have seeen pictures of on this board to be nice looking, but there seems to be some large differance of opinion on were to meet them. I have never been to the PI and I am going to gensan for my friends wedding, so I will have a one night stay in manila and wanted to go out and see some of the places I have read about on this board. I would like some advice from anyone who could help. I just dont want to end up having a poor time because I go to the wrong place and waist my one night in Manila.

Thank you for your help

Brad98Ok for one night,you could either hit the EDSA complex infront of the Heritage hotel or go try the Bars on Burgos street.Do not go to the garbage dump,Smokey Mountain,Good one though X Man.Be sure to the see the sexy ASIAN babes,which Northwest uses during the Asian legs of your trip.Say hello and be nice to the American LOLAS,on the US legs.btw LOLA is Filipino for grandmother.You can also score in GenSan.Good luck

Member #1005
09-13-05, 07:46
I am sorry that my quistion must have upset the members of this board. It was not my intention. I have been reading this board for about a year and have always found it to be friendly to new members posting. (Posted 9/12/2005)

Do any Senior Members have any advice and where is the best place to go to find good looking girls? (posted 9/11/2005)

Brad98

I don’t know why you would believe that anyone here would or should be upset by your questions? Obviously this type of question is simply too wide for anyone to give you a simple straight forward answer. However, I must ask why is it you feel that only Senior members could answer your question – :) I have seen this written many times on various threads and I often wonder what skills does a senior member possess that a regular member does not, to enable them to answer these types of questions?

Anyway as you to question my opinion is that generally every one of the members here has a different take on what constitute a good looking woman, some people here base their judgement on price/ body/age/ skin fairness etc. But one thing is for sure is that if we were here for 1000 years we would never agree on what is a good looking women.

Nevertheless, as is the case in any other country good looking women = higher price, its simply a case of supply and demand. There are no beauty queens going for 500 Pesos in Manila, more like 5000 Pesos – if there are I am yet to find one. So I don’t know what your circumstance are but I would suggest that as you are obviously “time poor” but I am not sure if you “cash rich” but as you desperate to sample at least one night in Manila, price is not too much of a factor here. Japanese businessmen are "cash rich" (Yen/Peso) but "time poor" hence they pay more for the types of girls they like in thier clubs.

Following on from the earlier advice I would also suggest you at least read Steve Naïve’s useful post to Manila, below, it may be one year old but it still gives an accurate reflection of the scene in Manila today. It provides all the information you require if you are too lazy to RTFF.

www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=307743&postcount=581

Enjoy

Diver69
09-15-05, 05:41
Cebu Local,

Been trying to reach AAI Travel's Jacky as you recommended, but she's not returning my e-mail. She doesn't answer her cell phone, and the business numbers you gave received no answer.

Any one with any other suggestion? I think I want to get the tickets purchased soon. So I can pay off the credit card bill before I leave on the trip.

What about your own company? Would you take my business?

I've sent you an e-mail too.

Thanks for your help.

GoodEnough
09-15-05, 11:10
Thai food is quantum leaps better, as is the infrastructure, the organization, the quality of city life and the exoticism. The girls are (in my opinion) pretty much of a toss up. On the other hand, the whole sex scene in the PI is less commercial (notwithstanding Burgos St. and its imitators) and it's much easier to meet non-professional women (okay maybe semi-pros) in the PI than in Thailand. I think that for foreign tourists, safety concerns in the Philippines are overblown and overstated, I've lived and worked in both countries, and I cannot see any real difference in the security of foreigners.

The bottom line is that if you're searching for a place where places of cultural interest are accessible, in addition to frequent sex with beautiful young women, then Thailand may be a better bet for you. If, on the other hand, you want a more laid back, less commercial scene (especially outside of Manila) and your primary motivation is sex, then the PI is a better bet perhaps.

Finally, it's unlikely that, without prior introduction, you're going to get invited into the home of a "real" Thai family, whereas in the Philippines, it's a relatively common occurance.

:D

GE

X Man
09-15-05, 14:20
WHat is blindingly obvious to anyone whe has been to both countries is that in the Phillippines people do speak English and in Thailand they generally do not. Thailand is a far better place to take a vacation and if you are the type who prefers to point (at the ***** you want to screw) and be back in the room 15 minutes later....and get rid of her when you're spent, Thailand would be better.

If you want to make friends, or learn the name of the lady before you slip it in, or even hope to get invited into people's homes, or invited to parties, or chat with sweeties online before your arrival....the Philippines is far superior.

I will disagree with GE on one point, subjective as it may be....I think the Thai women are the most gorgeous in the world. Slender, high cheek bones, big mouths with big smiles, generous breasts (usually) and ....if you're really lucky, a naturally peach fuzzed crotch (of age of course!!!).

X

Bcarting1
09-16-05, 01:43
I ma planning my first trip over to look for a great gal and also have a good time. What could you guys give me for a heads up on where to go ect. I would like to know about cell service, money exchanges, and what type of cash if any to bring to exchange. I have read these boards for some time and would like to know if a November trip would be ok. I think a 12-14 day stint will be about my limit the first round.

Thanks and PLAY SAFE.

Fastpiston
09-16-05, 08:23
I would suggest that you look at the archived messages on this web site that will give you all, and more, of all the information you will need. You will also see multiple opinions and views.

Porty
09-16-05, 11:29
Weather wise ! November is one of the wettest months in Cebu ! Not sure about Manila but I think much the same all over the philippines.

Use your atm card is best way. Traverlers cheques are a hassel to cash, try to get some pesos before you leave at aiports but only $50.00 worth , if you can get 100 peso notes.

On the board it seems so easy ! but we get carried away with success more often than failures!

It takes time and practise to stop paying to much! Hysr be comfindent on who you are but many seasoned mongers use the first time act to pay little.

First you need to deceide on a hotel. Whether it is Manila, Makati, etc, then do some searching and read all reviews. then after you deceide that them read the boards for that area. it takes about 5 hours ok. Don't forget to take notes!

Good luck.

Porty
09-16-05, 13:17
Does anyone have a report on the ferrys doing this trip!

The Qestions are:

How long?

Which is the better service ( Saftey not sinking)?

The price for GOOD cabin?

I know when i took the ferry from cebu to Bohol, I did it in business class upstairs and was only one there, except for the hostest and received free drinks and food.
Any with disco on board for pick ups?

As I recall in 2004 Ithink one ferry caught fire Or had bomb on board, but hey also planes these days are falling from the sky, I think in the last 3 months 4 have gone done all over the world, I know i can swim but my flying is now only in the bed!

Would appreciated any help. Promise to write report of the adventure of the ferry!
Common sense tells me that, filipinos dont have money, so a lot of students might be going home by ferry and could be very good mongering on board!

Thanks

X Man
09-16-05, 16:16
Porty,

Sorry I can't answer you in detail, since I'm not of that persuasian. But the fairys probably have varying lenghts. (Umm, you asked "how long")

As for the safety....surely you can't expect us to know which ferry will sink or not. I'd say your odds are best if you don't board a ferry at Basilan. I've often thought of taking a girl on an overnight ferry ride... to Boracay or whereever...

But you have a good idea. Try to get a "steerage" girl into your cabin....kind of reverse Titanic style. Just hope the ship doesn't sink....

x

Bcarting1
09-16-05, 18:16
PORTY;

Thanks for the help on the money and other info. I would like to know if all atm transactions will go through using us banks? And would I be better off buying a cell phone over there and using on other trips?

Thanks for all the imput and I will now start studying all the boards.

Play Safe

Marconista
09-16-05, 23:16
Porty!

SuperFerry is the most reliable service from Manila to Cebu, even though they experienced the bomb about a year ago. I know that they have increased the security a lot since then. Seamanswise, their crew have the best competence and experience, for what ever it is worth, compared to the few competitiors left in this service. I know this for a fact!

Regarding the schedule, that differs, depending on the ferries, no 1, 11, etc. You can find info abotu the cost on their homepage: http://www.superferry.com.ph/ratespromos/rates.asp , which start on about Php 1750 one way for supervalue (big room with many beds in two hights, if I recall correct. If wrong, then it is seats like on board airplanes). I stayed in a suite on the upper deck, but dont know the fare ;) . A Japanese room for two persons cost about Php 4000 one way.
The sailing is about 22 hours.

Marconista
09-16-05, 23:21
X-man!

Care to explain the expression, since it is not a maritime one? :D


Porty,

.... Try to get a "steerage" girl into your cabin....kind of reverse Titanic style.

Cebu Local
09-17-05, 03:02
X-man!

Care to explain the expression, since it is not a maritime one? :D
Hi Marconista
For somebody from the Maritime Industry like yourself,I am surprised you are not familiar with the term"steerage".It is an old term for the cheapest tickets on the boat.What WG&A calls Super value or Economy Class.It is no longer in use of course.Regards and Hope things are well.

Diver69
09-17-05, 06:12
Can anyone help with travel agent? Anyone??? Cebu Local???


Cebu Local,

Been trying to reach AAI Travel's Jacky as you recommended, but she's not returning my e-mail. She doesn't answer her cell phone, and the business numbers you gave received no answer.

Any one with any other suggestion? I think I want to get the tickets purchased soon. So I can pay off the credit card bill before I leave on the trip.

What about your own company? Would you take my business?

I've sent you an e-mail too.

Thanks for your help.

Porty
09-17-05, 07:47
Thanks for the help on the money and other info. I would like to know if all atm transactions will go through using us banks? And would I be better off buying a cell phone over there and using on other trips?

With the atm machines philipinnes bank ( Red Colour) work as well as metro, Some dont work but in all shooping centers they have so many you will find one that works. Just a point try to do it before 4 pm as everyoine shops late and cues appear ok.

Ask your cell phone agent if you have tri band, most cells these days are tri band. As from the usa is different to asia and australia . Forget about using your cell if you go to japan , completley different system.

But buy a sim card for around 10 us that will give you 200 peso load as well.
remember one tip, as most filipino's text only. their system is if they have no load they will call their friends and the friends will text them This is how they get their friends to text, they dont answer the cell just see who has called. Most times its a sginel for their friend to send load. So dont expect them to answer you if you call them, you will have better luck texting okay

Marconista!

Thank you for the information on the ferry! 22 hours cool, if you think about it, by paying 4000 for suite ( he he he nice name) well it saves the price of a hotel room for the night! I think it would be like having sex on a water bed too, have not done that since the 80"s

I will check out the site you meantioned,

Bcarting1
09-17-05, 17:22
What is an internet cafe? Do the girls that go there work in the bars or is this a place for everyone to use a pc?? I do not want to sound dumb but the place is a little different than newengland.

Play Safe.

Harvey WB
09-17-05, 22:20
It's cheap enough to buy a cellphone, about $40 US or so, then just add 300 Peso or 500 Peso loads as you need them. You can then leave the phone as a gift with someone or reuse on the next trip (but you will probably have to buy a new SIM card if you are going to be gone for more than 90 days, a cost of about P500).

Internet cafes are where most people go in RP to browse the net, Chat, play PC Games (so stay away right after school lets out) and even do homework. Most people in RP do not have PC's and Internet at home. It can be a good place to meet someone also.

Full Tilt
09-18-05, 03:42
Diver,

Try Beeline travel in AC. They have been around a while and are reliable.

GoodEnough
09-19-05, 12:36
Porty:

My advice is to buy a cell phomne before you even hit your first bar or hit on your first woman. It's essential to have one here, and you can buy a used one for as little as $30. You need to establish a means for all of the young lovelies to contact you and contact you they will.

If you want to go up market, and buy a tri band or a quad band, there are dozens of varieties available. These will work virtually anywhere in the world, except Japan which still uses CDMA. They'll even work in the US which (finally) has GSM providers. If you have no use for such a phone in your home country, or on your travels. then it's probably silly to go to the extra expense. Just buy a basic, simple phone that will send and receive text messages and calls. You can pick them up in any mall, any pawn shop and any phone store on the street as the ladies here are forever trading up and pawning their phones.

GE

Mayntain
09-20-05, 05:28
Another reason is don't make the same mistake I did, and use the phone in your hotel room. Those pesos add up quick. Get a cell.

Tee It Up
09-20-05, 17:02
A cell phone is worth its weight in gold. Last year I bought a cheap new cell phone for $60. You will find almost all the ladies have cell phones. In fact, last time I was in the P.I., I read in the Manila Times that the average citizen spends more on their cells than they do on food.

Once you have your cell you can roam from bar to bar and give your number to whichever lady you would like to meet up with either after they get off work or the next day when you are in need of a nooner. This alone will save you the 3000 pesos for the bar fine since they are basically sneaking out to be with you. The only problem you will have is trying to remember which ladies you gave your number to since every one of them will be ringing or texting you at all hours of the morning and daytime. Since I travel to the P.I. every 3 months, I keep the numbers of the ones I like the best and text them when I get into town and let the good times roll.

MasterBlaster
09-21-05, 06:58
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With the atm machines philipinnes bank ( Red Colour) work as well as metro, Some dont work but in all shooping centers they have so many you will find one that works. Just a point try to do it before 4 pm as everyoine shops late and cues appear ok.
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Any ATM machine with the Visa, Mastercard or Cirrus logo sticker will take a US ATM card. Banks such as PCI Equitable, HSBC, BPI Family Bank, Metro Bank and Citibank carry the three logos.

Porty
09-22-05, 18:48
Okay guys i know the airlines are putting a fuel surcharge on !
Now the Superferry's start their surcharge on the 16 th september !

Whats next ??? maybe the taxi's will be next !
Why dont they just increase the ticket prices in the philippines and be done with it. Because the price of fuel will never go back to where it was!

OR

Next we here will be the girls putting a sucharge on us for the lubricate they use, or the oil in the massage parlours will attrcated a surcharge! I will check this post in a year and see if it happens ! ha ha ha ha.

Just a thought!!

Yella Man
09-24-05, 05:54
I agree with Tee it Up on the cell phone issue. It's a must have while your in the Philippines. Buy a used one for around 2000 Pesos ($36) and then give your number to a girl in every bar you visit. By the end of your trip the phone will have paid for itself in freebies. I passed up on a lot of freebies in Angeles simply because I didn't have the time to fit them in or I had a bar-fine on my hands already. If you really want to do it right, get a tri-band cell phone like the one I have. It will work in most asian countries (Except Korea which uses CDMA not SIMM cards) and North America too. I use mine in the USA all the time. Just change SIMM cards and buy time in whatever country your in. A friend of mine paid 3300 Pesos ($60) for a new tri-band phone in Angeles a few weeks ago. A worthy investment.

Yella Man

Yella Man
09-25-05, 05:51
I had to re-post Sun Devils very accurate and interesting post because I ran into most of these types of women while in Angeles, including the Three Holer. Fellow mongers read up and study, because if you understand the different types of girls you will encounter in the Philippines you can avoid some pitfalls I see a lot of guys get hammered with over there. You gotta be one step ahead of the bar girl, not two steps behind or she will eat you alive!

Yella Man


Here is some information about bar girls that some dude emailed me:

Lets talk about the type of Bargirls you will encounter on your trip
to PI. This small guide covers and describe the entire bargirl
population in PI. Bargirls are individual human beings and should be treated as such.

A bargirl is a dancer, waitress or doorgirl that works in a bar in PI and can be EWR’d (Early Work Released aka barfined).

Probably the easiest way to understand the PI bargirl is by looking at the various stereotypes. Rarely will a bargirl fit neatly into one stereotype. Most girls have a complex set of motivations while working the bar scene in PI. Understanding those motivations allows you to have more fun during your travel in PI. Of course, since bargirls are women you and I will never truly understand them. But it can be fun trying.

Here are the different types of Bargirls found in PI.

SHY GIRL

Most Filipinas are actually very shy around foreigners. A girl fresh
from the province is almost certain to be shy. This shyness might only last a few weeks or months but it will be unmistakable.

Body shyness is a big part of this. Proper attire for a Filipina swimming in the provinces is not a bikini. It is mostly long pants or shorts and a heavy shirt over an undershirt and a bra. Take a body shy girl from the province and put her on stage in a bikini and watch the fun. She will try to stand behind the other girls on stage and hide various body parts with her hands if she catches you looking too closely.

Body shy girls are often verbally shy as well. You can buy them a LD and they can easily remain silent or give one word answers to your questions for the entire time you are in the bar. I have found real gems among the shy girls as they are often quite new to the bar scene. It may take a few days to get the shy girl to relax with you but the result may be worth it.

STUNNER

Maybe it is her skin tone, her beautiful face but mostly it is her
entire shape and body that makes a stunner. Sure beauty is in the eye of the beholder but some girls are just simply maganda to many foreigners - speacially after a few drinks, lol.

Unfortunately the stunner will realize this about five minutes after she starts working inside a bar and sees all the attention directed at her. At this point her attitude starts to change. She starts thinking about what the customer can do for her instead of what she can do for the customer to make him happy.

My experience with stunner girls is that usually her bad attitude overpowers her beauty. Stunner girls often quickly develop into high maintainence girls. More so when you date them for a fews days or for a while.

HIGH MAINTAINENCE GIRL

These girls are easily spotted from across the bar by the glare from their gold jewelry. A cherry girl or a girl fresh from the province will have very little jewelry. Jewelry is often given when the girl makes the guy very happy. If he didn’t buy the gold jewelry then he gave her enough pesos for her to buy it herself.

On the plus side it means that she is capable of making someone very happy. Unfortunately her boyfriend or honeyko may have her so emotionally wrapped up that she will not make you very happy.

In my experience a high maintainence girl is a risky EWR. If you are only looking to butterfly - a series of one night stands, then it is doubtful that she will forget her boyfriend(s) long enough to show you a good time in one night.

PROFESSIONAL GIRL

This girl knows what you want and is prepared to deliver it to you
with minimal hassles. She doesn’t waste time telling you much about herself and her problems. The professional girl will be asking you if you want short time or long time and what positions would be required.

If she is very professional she may even want to discuss the size of her tip before she has even left the bar. Some prefer this directness but it lacks a little of the GFE (Girl Friend Experience) that I enjoy so much in PI. On the plus side, the professional girl may be the only honest bargirl that you will meet in your stay in PI.

BOLLA BOLLA GIRL

Some will argue that every bargirl in PI is a bolla bolla (liar) girl.
They may be right. Some girls will even lie to you for no reason. In
their defense they have to listen to all the foreigners lie to them
constantly also. It is only natural for them to want to return the
favor. They simply don’t think that it is inappropriate for them to
lie to you. It takes a long time for most bargirls to trust you enough to be honest with you.

Sadly, for some bargirls it is simply not possible for them to be honest. If any single stereotype can be found in combination with others then this is one that fits all of the stereotypes.

SUPPORT GIRL

This girl’s objective is to get you interested enough in her to send
her monthly support payments. The fact that she has three other guys already sending her support will not deter her in the slightest.

Honesty is a joke. She will literally do or say anything to get what
she wants. She may test you early on by asking if she can stop at JJ’s supermarket before going to your hotel. Of course you are expected to pay. If she says she needs hair conditioner but you walk out of JJ’s with three or more items than she may be testing you.

If your pockets are deep and your hotel room expensive then she will take note. You can expect the magic word ‘support’ to be mentioned in the morning. You might think it strange that a bargirl would even mention the word support after only one night but believe me it happens. On the plus side, it might be a great night as she could be very motivated.

SECOND TIER

These are the girls that make up the bulk of the lineup in any bar.
They aren't stunners but are still decent looking girls with fair to
good figures. Maybe a skin condition, a small rice belly or some bad teeth keeps them from being a stunner. One thing that you will notice in the PI is that girls from the poorer provinces have rarely if ever visited a dentist and an orthodontist would be impossibly expensive.

The advantage of a second tier girl is that they don’t have the
attitude of the stunners. They are very happy that you chose them for EWR and their performance in the bedroom is usually great.

You probably have the best chance of a GFE with one of these girls. They have no intention of leaving after one session. Your aircon hotel room with cable TV and minibar is heaven to them, compared to their tiny apartments with three bargirl roommates. Often times they will develop into Cinderella girls, particularly if you EWR them more then one night.

CINDERELLA

She is looking for Prince Charming to rescue her from her life of
poverty and prostitution. Her favorite movie is ‘Pretty Woman’. If she thinks you are her prince then you are in for a wild ride. She will do and say almost anything in order to be with you. Honesty about her past is forgotten in her desire to present herself to you in the best possible light.

She desperately wants to hear the magic words ‘mahal
kita’ (I love you) from you. If you are foolish enough to say the
magic words then she will instantly start planning your lives together as newlyweds. Children’s names will be suggested by her. On the plus side you can expect some great times in bed as she tries her very best to please you.

However, when you ask her to go home in the morning the
tears will be histrionic. Spending a week or more with one girl can
often turn her into Cinderella but it can also happen in one night, if you are very nice to her.

CHERRY GIRL

In my experience there are three kinds of cherry girls in AC. The
obvious one is the true cherry girl (virgin) that is looking for a
husband. Filipino culture values virginity quite highly. A Filipino
man with an education and a good job would never marry anything but a virgin. A cherry girl believes that must be true for foreigners as well. If she is husband shopping then she has to hold on to her credit card.

The second type of cherry girl is actually selling a product and you
can expect intense negotiations with mamasan over the price. Of
course, as with any verbal sales agreement, packaging and freshness are not guaranteed.

The third kind of cherry girl is the one that really doesn’t want you
to EWR her. A bargirl telling you that she is cherry when you suggest going back to your hotel may be just politely saying no to you. Maybe you need to shower and brush your teeth more often. If you have already bought the girl six ladies drinks then you might be disappointed.

Shame on you, for not asking her earlier, if she was a cherry girl. If the girl doesn’t want to go back to your hotel with you then it is pointless to persist. Neither of you will have a good time. With such a high bargirl population in PI you are sure to find many others that will like you or at least like your wallet.

MARTYR GIRL

A lot of girls fresh from the province will fall into this stereotype.
The girl will say that she has been forced by her family to work in
the big cities and send money home to them every month. She will tell you that she is actually a good girl and she may even believe it herself for a long time. Other jobs would not allow her to send enough support to her family.

Unfortunately the attention and money from foreigners’ changes them over time. The fact that she has an expensive cell phone, nice clothes, manicures and pedicures twice a week is ignored. In her mind she is still forced to work in the bar in order to support her family.

She wants your sympathy. She wants you to feel guilty. She also wants a big tip. The martyr girl can’t really enjoy herself or be your girlfriend in your hotel room or she wouldn’t be a martyr.

WESTERNIZED GIRL

These girls are easy to spot as they will often have dyed hair,
stylish haircuts, heavy makeup and white faces. They embrace the
western culture and reject their own heritage. If you watch Filipino television and movies you will notice that the ‘good’ characters have western noses and skin colors. The Westernized girl will often accessorize herself with western clothes, cigarettes and body jewelry.

I am not sure why they think that a guy would travel across the globe to be with a western looking Filipina.

FALLING STAR

Filipinas normally look much younger than their years. Even so, a
bargirl that works for too many years in PI will start to look older.
If she has had one or more children then it will likely have taken a
toll on her figure. A falling star will often work as a waitress and
may wear a fair bit of makeup. A waitress uniform hides the years
better than a bikini. When the other girls in the bar are 18 or 19
years old, then a 25 year old falling star has some serious
competition. That translates into fewer ladies drinks and fewer EWRs.

Anyone who has experienced a drop in income will know that it is a difficult adjustment. For a Filipina, whose family is demanding ever increasing amounts of support money, the pressure can be enormous. The falling star may not be wearing much jewelry but they probably have some pawnshop slips in their purse. These girls can be aggressive in the bar. They can’t let you spend 15 minutes looking at the bikinis on stage.

They will be flashing their susu’s (breasts) or other body
parts in your direction. Lap dancing and heavy petting are often on the menu. They will be asking you to EWR them and not be concerned with getting more than one ladies drink. In my experience they can make excellent EWR’s. They will often be more willing to accommodate your specific sexual requests than a younger and more popular girl.

Their years in the bar scene will also give them a lot more skill than some of the newer girls. Turn the lights off in your hotel room and have fun.

AGGRESSIVE GIRL

It seems that most bars have one or two very aggressive girls working for them. The aggressive girl is usually the first to greet you when you walk into the bar. She is often has the loudest voice in the bar.

She is probably not shy about revealing various body parts to you, even from on stage. She will sit down beside you or even on your lap without an invitation. A ladies drinks will magically appear, again often without your consent. The bar tolerates her aggressiveness because of the number of ladies drinks that she sells in an evening.

Typically, she is not very interested in EWR as that costs her time
from the bar that she could be making commissions on ladies drinks. If she does go EWR then it is probably short time or she could very well be a runner.

It is easy to distinguish the falling star from the aggressive girl. If you are under a lot of pressure to buy ladies drinks then you are dealing with an aggressive girl. Fortunately it is also easy to avoid the clutches of an aggressive girl in the bar.

Simply refuse to buy her a ladies drink and she will be on the lap of another bar patron in an instant.

TBIRD

Most bars have one or two Tbirds (lesbians) working in the bar. They may not be obvious but certainly the other bargirls know which girls are the Tbirds. I really can’t say what proportion of Tbirds are bisexual. I have seen some Tbird's be barfined by a lesbian foreigner.

I know of one that goes to PI to do just that. Once you know which girls in the bar are Tbirds it can be fun to watch them interact with a straight bargirl. Imagine EWRing two Tbirds to put on a show in your hotel room while you are getting it on with a heterosexual bargirl!

COMMITTED GIRL

Some AC bargirls already have boyfriends (foreigner or Filipino) or
even husbands. They are working in the bar because they need the money to keep their partner(s) happy. Sadly, some level of domestic abuse may be involved.

They are not likely going to make you happy in your
hotel room when their life is so sad. They are often adept at keeping the fact of a boyfriend a secret from customers. If they seem reluctant to agree to long time or discuss particular sexual positions then there is a good chance that they are committed to another guy.

They are often under pressure from the bar to get more EWRs. If
mamasan is pushing you to EWR, but the girl seems reluctant, then you may be dealing with a committed girl. If you do EWR a committed girl then you have a much higher than normal chance of dealing with a runner on your hands.

SHABU GIRL

Sadly, the illegal and addictive amphetamine shabu is readily
available in the PI. Some girls are working in bars simply to finance their shabu addiction. The medical symptoms of a shabu user are: increased energy, perception, self confidence as well as a sense of euphoria.

However, they also commonly experience irritability, impulsivity, impaired judgement, and insomnia, as well as nausea, dizziness and anorexia. Personally, I avoid the moody, skinny girls that appear to be high. It is really not something that you can totally avoid, so I would not worry about it too much.

ALCOHOLIC GIRL

A bargirl consuming tequila shots every evening will eventually
develop a dependence on alcohol. If you think that the only alcoholics in PI are the foreigners and the expats then you are fooling yourself.

Yes, 19 year old bargirls can be alcoholics. It doesn’t take much
tequila to get a 90 lbs. bargirl drunk. If you think that a drunk or
hungover bargirl is going to be a wildcat in bed then you are sadly
mistaken. You are far more likely to be cleaning up after her,
listening to dry heaves all night or staring at her comatose body. If its 10 pm and a bargirl has already had a few too many then ask her when her shift starts. You can always come back another day and rescue her from the evil demon tequila by EWRing her when her shift starts.

Just don’t take her barhopping for six hours or at least make sure she is drinking something other than booze.

THREE HOLER GIRL

If you are really interested in a three holer girl then I think you
would have better luck asking the mamasan first. Be sure to buy the mamasan a drink before you pop that question. Few girls in the bars are three holers and shy to talk about it inside the bar. Like I said ask the mamasan. They know which are the three holers in the bar.

Hope you get to enjoy at least once each of the type of bargirls in
PI. It will fulfill your PI dream in some sort of way.

Bcarting1
09-27-05, 01:54
I have a friend that is over in the city of BARRIO BARRETTO and wants me to visit him. He said that there is a place called BARTS RESORT where I can stay. Have any of you fellas stayed here or know of another place around the area that is a better choice. He said this town is 4 hours by cab from Manilla??

Is there any other way to get there?? Are there any bars in this city?? I have only sopoken once to him via telephone so I did not ask him all the questions I had about the area. Ant info on the related subject would be helpful.

Play safe.

Diver69
09-27-05, 05:29
Diver,

Try Beeline travel in AC. They have been around a while and are reliable.

Tried e-mailing them, no reply yet.

I also tried booking online, but they would only accept credit card purchase if I am in the travelling party (ie, one of the passengers). I'm not. I'm only buying this ticket for the girl.

Cebu Local - is there anyway around this restriction? I know it's there for our protection, but it kind of puts me in a bind here.

So, I need a travel agent who can sell me e-ticket (that cannot be cashed) from Gen San to Cebu and back over the internet or phone and accept credit card payments.

Anyone able to help???

Sean EZ
09-27-05, 05:51
how much is a flight (in USD) roughly from BKK to PI, is it worth a 3-4 day visit in Dec and what would be a great beach city and nightlife to visit for first timer. Is safety situation in PI of concern these days? - thank you.

J Boy
09-27-05, 06:38
Tried e-mailing them, no reply yet.

I also tried booking online, but they would only accept credit card purchase if I am in the travelling party (ie, one of the passengers). I'm not. I'm only buying this ticket for the girl.

Cebu Local - is there anyway around this restriction? I know it's there for our protection, but it kind of puts me in a bind here.

So, I need a travel agent who can sell me e-ticket (that cannot be cashed) from Gen San to Cebu and back over the internet or phone and accept credit card payments.

Anyone able to help???

If you are looking for Travel Agent within the Phil I suggest:
Action Travel
Stall 44, Fields Avenue, Balibago
Angeles City, 2009
Philippines
Tel PI: +63-45-892 5407
Tel PI: +63-45-625 6357
Cell PI: +63-919-497 9292
Tel US: +1-818-435 4167

MSN Messenger: action_travel@hotmail.com
e-mail: info@actiontravelac.com
http://www.actiontravelac.com

I used them to book a hotel in Manila at a very favorable rate.

Firedick
09-27-05, 18:33
Bcarting 1,

BARRIO BARRETTO is a suburb of Subic City on Subic Bay. I believe that it actually fails into Olongapo's jurisdiction and the "girlie bars" fell out of favor with Mrs. Gordon. So, they have moved a short distance up the road into Subic City proper. Check out that board for more details.

FD

Firedick
09-27-05, 18:42
Sean EZ,

Right now flights are in the low $200's BKK MNL BKK. About $100 more if you do it the other way MNL BKK MNL. Go figure.

Worth it for 3-4 days? Not to me. Beach with night life: Puerto Galera or places further south that I am not familiar with, such as Cebu.

Safety: Your comfort level may be completely different than mine, so I'll pass on that one.

FD

Bcarting1
09-28-05, 04:11
Firedick,

Thanks for the info on B.B. I have see what you are talking about in reference to the dance clubs/bars in this city. The mayor said that he wanted all that stuff cleaned up years back. As for Barts Resort anyone have in fo on this place? I have ben told the price is 25 per day. Sounds like it might be a rat trap?

Thanks again guys, I do get great info from this board from all that post here. I am sure it will make life easy when I take my upcumming trip over.

Play Safe.

Member #1005
09-28-05, 06:13
how much is a flight (in USD) roughly from BKK to PI, is it worth a 3-4 day visit in Dec

Just following on from Firedick’s advice might I suggest you look check out the PAL (www.philippineairlines.com/tempfiles/1004.asp?nivSel=3_1_1) website as they have some special on-line prices available until early next year, on the BKK-MNL-BKK route.

On whether its worth going for only 3-4 days I have done that, coming from Hong Kong for only 3 days and yes it was certainly worth it. Many people in the region make such trips because you have many options open to you within the Philippines.

Is it safe – it’s up to you to determine that for yourself.

Firedick
09-28-05, 06:30
With respect, kinda "apples and oranges" IMHO. If I were in Hong Kong, then a 3-4 trip would be worth it. But from BKK ? Not for me.

FD

Member #1005
09-28-05, 18:49
Firedick,

I agree 100% with what you say, but you know what human nature is like, no matter how good the game we’re always curious about trying something new. Bangkok has the edge over the Philippines but despite the many faults of the Philippines the women are probably the easiest in the world for GFE.

Bcarting1
10-02-05, 03:20
What is the process of marrage in the phil. What is the first step in the process after you get there? How long will the process take?? How long after you have a new bride will it take to get here over to the U.S?

Will it take long to get the papperwork so that you will be able to wed in a 15-18 day trip over? Is the visa to enter the U.S. a long and hard process.

I will be interested in any info from you fellas about my post. All the members here have ben of great help and I do thank you for that.

Play safe.

Marc25
10-02-05, 23:11
Whether you marry her there or not the process will take at least 6 to 8 months and cost at least a thousand after application,health,forms etc, not to mention your own costs,,understand this if you do a fiancee visa you must marry in 90 days or she goes back but you sign a form saying you will support her a minimum of 2 years. It is not a quick process and there could be problems.. you must show income , she must show she is single,lots of things.

GoodEnough
10-03-05, 00:50
I'm told it's fairly easy to arrange a civil marriage here, however that makes it more difficult to secure a visa to the US or Europe. I've also be told by friends that the easiest, quickest means is to apply for a fiance visa, but at Marc 25 said, this too is going to entail a lengthy wait with no guarantee of success at the end.

It's getting increasingly difficult to secure any kind of exit visa to the west.

GE

Member #1005
10-03-05, 08:06
I'm told it's fairly easy to arrange a civil marriage here, however that makes it more difficult to secure a visa to the US or Europe.


If Europe is difficult then the UK is even harder, to obtain a visa to come to the country, it is no different for a Philippino national, than a Australian or American national. Most Brits who have been through this process will tell you that you should be prepared for a long wait (two years plus) and many interviews along the way.

Here is a link:

www.ukvisas.gov.uk

Firedick
10-03-05, 08:08
INS form 129-F (fiancee'). Took me just about a year. (Prior to 9-11) Everything added time. My girl had no birth record, so we were starting from scratch.

Keep it simple, stick to girls that already have a Rep. of Philippines passport and you may shave months off the ordeal.

Better yet. Marry her there and leave her there. Or skip the marry part.

Bcarting,

I am assuming that you have a lot of experience with Filapinas, otherwise you would not be considering it. If not, TAKE YOUR TIME.

FD

Porty
10-03-05, 17:34
Can anyone tell me how far from Manila is Laguna and is it north or south of Manila. Thanks for any information . as it is important to know this.
Porty!!

Firedick
10-03-05, 19:44
Laguna the province is on the south side of "Laguna de Bay" south of Manila. For an accurate ETA we'd have to know where in Laguna.

FD

Cebu Local
10-04-05, 00:17
Laguna the province is on the south side of "Laguna de Bay" south of Manila. For an accurate ETA we'd have to know where in Laguna.

FDSan Pedro,Binan,Sta Rosa about 30 minutes,Cabuyao,Calamba,Los Banos,Bay or Alaminos about an hour,San Pablo,Victoria,Pila,Sta Cruz,Pagsanjan,Calauan,Cavinti,Kalayaan,Paete,Liliw,Nagcarlan and any other town about one and a half hours to two hours.This is the driving time for ALL the towns in Laguna from Makati.This should cover all areas

Member #1005
10-08-05, 21:46
I am looking to make a wise investment in the PI, just wondering if any of you have or would invest in the PI. I am not quite sure what area I would invest in (clubs, cell phones, security) but it seems like they are trying very hard to attract more tourist into AC and from what I have seen it may be a good investment move.

What do all of you with wisdom of the PI think?

Forget owning a go go bar, an internet café or security company how about starting a themepark /waterpark in Angeles City?

Cebu Local
10-09-05, 05:33
Forget owning a go go bar, an internet café or security company how about starting a themepark /waterpark in Angeles City?Not that I am advocating investing in a Water Theme Park,But there is one already one called Fontana inside Clark

Sagramore
10-09-05, 06:42
Hi all,

This is my first post here, I should first off apologize for my long post; I do have a tendency to be long winded at times. I have been a long time lurker on this great site and I’ve finally decided to step up and start posting. I have personally gained a wealth of information from this site ranging from travel and cultural info to where to find the hot spots and what’s a good price for a bar fine. I want to join this site for intelligent and thoughtful conversation and to share relevant experiences that I’ve had. It is clearly not my intention to flame or be flamed.

Let me introduce myself; my story may or may not be similar to others who post here. I’m 38, never been married and am in decent shape, I haven’t had the best of luck with American women and relationships, but I also don’t consider myself to be a desperate loser either. I started my mongering adventures about five or six years ago as a lonely single guy looking for love in all the wrong places. I’ve gone to many an Asian massage parlor here in the states and have had some great and not so great encounters. One result of these numerous experiences is that I have developed an almost unhealthy attraction to Asian women.

I am a monger by actions for sure, although I believe in treating women with respect, I think that comes from the “nice guy” tendencies that are buried inside me. I prefer passionate encounters that are mutually satisfying. I enjoy giving women passionate physical satisfaction, for me that is truly arousing and erotic. In my view, nothing beats a horned up honey in a state of jubilant ecstasy that has dropped all her inhibitions. In short; I seek the girl friend experience.

Several years ago I turned to the internet and started a quest with the sincere intention of finding a relationship with a foreign woman that could eventually lead to marriage. I made contact with several Filipinas, although it was always on a friendship only basis as I never believed in getting involved in some kind of long distance virtual relationship with someone I have not even met. I decided to get off the fence and take the plunge about a year ago and took my first trip to the Phils last December. I can honestly say that I had the time of my life; I visited Manila, Davao and Boracay.

My first impressions were that of absolute culture shock, I was not prepared for the scenes of abject poverty that I witnessed countless times on my month long stay. My general impression of the Filipino people is that although they are often times very poor, they are rich in spirit, living in adversity but with a smile on their faces.

I have often wrestled with my conscience over my mongering tendencies against my desire to be the “nice guy” that I want to be. Nothing illustrates this better than my first trip to the Phils. On one hand, I went there to meet sweet young Filipinas, on the other hand I wanted to sow some more of my seemingly endless supply of wild oats. Let me say that my mongering side won. Sometimes I visualize myself with little cartoon characters on my shoulder, one the little angel who tells me to be that nice guy, the other shoulder has the little devil who says have some fun and live a little. Needless to say, it’s the devil that often wins the argument!

Literally within hours of landing at Ninoy Aquino Airport I was at the EDSA Center with eyes wide open and tongue hanging out, I was in heaven! I brought home a lovely local named Jenny from a bar called, I believe, My Fair Lady. We actually spent the next 48 hours together, and by that I mean constant companionship like we here joined at the hip, or I should say joined at another appendage! I decided to let her go after a few days as I didn’t want to spend all of my time with just one girl, although in reality I really enjoyed her company and was reluctant to say goodbye.

After we said our farewell I went to a cyber café down the street and before I knew it I was chatting with a little 22 year old babe from Cebu sitting at the computer next to me. Her name was Anna and the next thing I know we were holding hands strolling down Bay Walk along Roxas Blvd. We then stopped at one of the café’s for a drink where she confessed to me that she works at LA café as a bar girl. She comes to Manila a few months out of the year to make some extra cash. To make a long story short, we ended up at my hotel for a good all night romp, the next morning she wanted to stay with me for the day but I didn’t want to get any more involved. She never did ask for any money but I gave her some anyways just to keep things on a “professional” level.

That night I hit a bar called G Spot in Ermita that was practically across the street from the Lotus Garden Hotel where I stayed. I sat at the bar, ordered a San Mig and before I took my third swig there was a Filipina hottie sitting next to me asking my name. Her name was Lorie and as it turns out she works at some bar on Burgos St. I started to think that every girl in this city works as a bar girl! Anyways, the same story; back to my hotel, an all night GFE, wanted to stay with me all day and never asked for money although I gave her some anyways. To this day I’m still not sure if she was a bar girl on her night off looking for a boyfriend or turning a trick on the side.

I decided to call Jenny up, the girl from my first night as I actually missed her. I ended up spending the rest of the week with her. She was more of a girlfriend than a bar girl, I did not pay any bar fines and I actually had an emotional scene on my hands later in the week when I tried to give her money. She was deeply hurt and insulted that I wanted to pay for her company. I’m not sure of the lesson learned here, other than that I believe that there are a certain number of women who work in these bars and they are filled with shame because of it. Maybe the moral is that a little kindness goes a long way with a lot of these women. Keep in mind that this isn’t necessarily a bad thing depending on what you’re looking for.

I flew to Davao on Cebu Pacific and stayed at Casa Leticia for the next two weeks. One of the main reasons I went to Davao was to meet in person a young 20 year old lady who I had been corresponding with for several months before my trip. I had met her, along with several other women, through the Cherry Blossoms website. She was a very sweet girl, a true Filipina gem. She had recently finished school and just started a job working at a call center. I should mention that she was a virgin, she was from a good family that raised her and her sister right. They showed me very generous hospitality; they invited me to dinner and several family outings. However, as nice as she was there lacked a certain chemistry that one cannot know until you have met in person.

I also met some other “normal girls” in Davao, most of who were virgins; I went from one extreme to the next, either bar girls or virgins! Interestingly enough they all seemed to think that I was a great guy full of morals and decency. I couldn’t help but think that these particular women could do better than a guy like me. Don’t get me wrong, It’s not that I’m putting these women on too high a pedestal or put myself too low in the gutter, it’s just that it bothered me is that I wasn’t being totally honest with them. For if they truly knew of my mongering tendencies they would probably not want to have a thing to do with me. In a certain irony, I am more honest with the bargirls than with these sweet things. Let me say that I have no intention of deflowering any of these women. I respect their choices and do not want to change them. One thing I did learn from this experience was to avoid virgins in the future as I am not compatible with them for anything more than friendship.

For the last week of my trip I decided to splurge and go to Boracay for a few days, I took Jenny from Manila and had a great time. I still talk with her to this day and I genuinely care about her well being. I have sent her some money from time to time, not much. For the record she has never once asked for it.

In conclusion, I actually have the desire to live in the Philippines. I think it would be great to get the mongering out of my system so I can think straight! After a month there of fucking myself silly, I had an entirely new perspective on just about everything; including myself, a greater understanding of women and of the human condition in general. I have come to admire the Filipino spirit and truly would like to find a good woman to marry someday. I can think of no better way than to live there full time so I could not only pursue women on a full time basis, but also try and understand the life and culture there as well. I actually envy some posters here that have found a way to have a successful career in a third world country.

I will be traveling for my second trip to the Phils this upcoming November and December; my tentative stops will be in Manila, Angeles, Cebu and Davao. If any of you expats, mongers, conversationalists or adventurers want to meet up for a drink or two and perhaps and evening of debauchery, then the first round is on me!

Cheers,

Sagramore

Fastpiston
10-09-05, 09:11
Perhaps start a new bus service Manila - AC for foreign visitors. Fly-the-Bus has monopolized the route with buses that can only be called junk. The buses are very old discarded Japanese used vehicles and I am sure not safe. Many people have experienced breakdowns in transit, including myself. Have more pick-up points and have very very friendly beautiful stewardesses on the new bus service with a private partitioned area at the back!

Frequent Flier
10-09-05, 21:13
Hi Sagramore,

Welcome to the board and great job on your first post, much better than I have ever attempted. I always get to caught up in the action while there to report much. Plus I put a big value on pictures that I try to post when I can.

I've also been on the Asian Massage Table on more than one occasion in the USA, although it has been some years since I have. I live close to Greensboro, NC and there used to be a large number of Asian Massage Parlors there, but at last the crooks...I mean cops caught up to them and closed them all down a few years ago. We used to travel 90 minutes each way on some Friday nights just to have some fun there. The reason I bring this up is that these massage parlors were almost exclusively Korean woman which I found much more willing to please than other Asian women. I also have found more luck with Korean women in strip clubs as well, when jabbering with them and getting them to leave the bar for outside entertainment.

However I found that Filipina's in the USA were very difficult to deal with when compared to other Asian women, but when you travel to their home countries I found that it was the exact opposite. In Korea it was not near as nice as the Philippines nor in China.. Just some observations on my part.

For your semi-girlfriend who became somewhat upset at you paying her, I have had the same problem in the past. What I learned to do was wait, but stay in touch with the girl if I really like her. At some point she will need some money and will make the need known to you. Then I will send them some money or if I am in the Philippines still I will arrange another meeting where I can help her out. The difference is very important to them at times. Of course this is not always possible and you may not want to stay in touch. In this case I take her shopping or try to slip some money in their pockets or purse if they have one. I almost always receive a text thank you later when I slip them some money.

Enjoy and take it from semi-long term monger. I don't think I will ever get it out of my system and I also want to marry I nice Filipina one day and have a family. It is so readily available when there. I guess I have no will power. Ah, what to do what do to?

FF

Sagramore
10-09-05, 23:58
Hi FF,

Thanks for the reply and kind words.

I too have found an overwhelming majority of women in stateside AMPs are Korean and will definitely go the extra mile if you get the right one. I live in Michigan now where the pickin’s can be pretty slim, although I’ve found a few good ones where they know me by name. I used to live out in Los Angeles and had some great times with both Hispanic and Asian masseuses. Although it seems more and more wherever you go the LE has taken it upon themselves to protect the helpless public from the dangers that lie behind closed doors in private establishments.

As to the lack of will power when it comes to some mongering action, I’m willing to bet that you and I aren’t the only ones on this board with that problem!

Cheers!

Sagramore

GoodEnough
10-10-05, 00:52
Nice post Sagramore. You are not alone in your spiritual tug of war and most of the guys I know encounter the same dilemma. I think the problem is that it's just so easy here and the women so lovely that it's not possible to resist for very long. You should hhowever, keep in mind, that living here is not without its frustrations as well. As in most third world countries, things do not work here as well as they do in the West. The general administrative incompetence, at all levels, is sometimes diificult to deal with, espeically if you're trying to get something accomplished in the business sector.

Let me know when you plan on coming to Davao, and I'll take you up on the beer, if not the night of debauchery.

:D

GE

Cebu Local
10-10-05, 02:09
Hi sagramore
I will be more then happy to have a beer with you either in Manila or Cebu.Curious to get your take on deflowering virgins,Cheers

Sagramore
10-10-05, 05:02
GE,

I will probably be in Davao either the last week of November or the first week in December; it would be my pleasure to share a drink or debauchery.

You bring up an interesting point about just how easy it is to find and bed the lovely women of the Philippines, yes it’s so easy for us foreigner guys to get lucky, the question of the day is; do Filipino men enjoy the same success that we Westerners do? I do not know the answer to this, I would be curious to know of other opinions on this subject.

Cheers,

Sagramore

Sagramore
10-10-05, 05:11
Hi Cebu Local,

It would be great to share a beer or ten while discussing the virtues of deflowering virgins, perhaps an appropriate place for said discussion could be a dimly lit smoky bar with loud music and dancing girls. ;)

Cheers!

Sagramore

GoodEnough
10-10-05, 16:16
Sagramore:
Just send me a PM after you have confirmed your dates for Davao and we'll get together. We can even introduce you to a "normal" woman or two.

The answer to your question is that it's not as easy for most Filipinos. however, for those with decent educations and well-paying jobs, it's not too difficult either. I work with a few such guys and they do just fine. How ver, those guys can't offer them the hope of getting out of here, while we of course can.
GE