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Enchoo

08-13-11, 02:46

Wow what a sad story but at least the girl tried to make the most out of that situation!

The guy is just a Micheal Jordan in Asia!

I used to be the Michael Jordan but I slowed down a bit!

Just when you think you've heard it all you run into a new Filipina and she tells you a story that blows your mind! I have been dating this girl recently, and true to form she brings all of her friends along for me to meet and buy a free meal. Well one night she brings a friend along that is so beautiful that I can't believe my eyes. The girl is educated, sweet and very fun and comes from a good family. Of course the conversation with these girls always goes in one of two directions; why my family is so poor or how this guy fucked me over. With this girl I knew her family was very good so I wasn't surprised to hear that some guy fucked her over so badly. The girl is beautiful enough to be a model or movie star. Then she goes on to tell me he was a western guy. And I would be willing to bet he is reading this right now. So here goes.

She was a normal girl in the province, going to college, and she decides to look for a mature, honest and successful guy on line. She meets a great guy from a western country, for over a year they talk and get to know each other, then he finally visits her several times in the course of a couple years. After the proper amount of time her and her family get comfortable with their daughter moving a very long way to get married and start a family. Well she is not in the new country very long before she starts to smell a rat. (we have all heard this story before, but read on it gets way better) The guy works a lot of hours and thinks it is better to go get drunk with his friends every night after work rather than going home to bang his 20 yr old 90 pound, model looking fiance. Now at this point she tells me when he would come to the phils to visit her for months on end, he would always go travelling around the islands. Without her! Strike 1.

Now that she is finally living in his country, the guy has decided that it is time for him to go travelling again. In the Phils, without her! Strike 2. Well you know these Filipina girls are like miniature detectives. She starts digging in his passport and other travel papers before he leaves the country. She discovers this guy has been cutting a path through Asia as wide as the Jap army during world war 2. If you've read about pussy for sale on this forum in any Asian country this guy has visited the country and stayed there for several weeks. How he is spending his time and amusing himself while there we do not know, yet! Keep in mind this is a 20 yr old girl just off the boat from the province, living in an all white country and she has no idea about things like mongering! About this time, the guy is out of the country, she starts to talk to the girls down at work about her future husband being out of the country. She is bored and has no friends other than the girls at work. Well the girls at work start to slowly ask her questions about where he is at and what does he do for so long when he's gone? So the detectives magnifying glass comes out and she starts digging in his computer and old dating sites. Well the guy is keeping contact on these dating sites with 100's of girls all over Asia. She finds pics of him in exotic locations with different girls doing a lot of different things. And I don't mean buying t-shirts! Slowly she is starting to realize the guy was not only visiting the Phils and her, he was going to 2-3 other countries before or after he visited her!

So here is the defining moment. She finds a list with all of these different girls names on it, most of the names so exotic that she can't even pronounce them. She rolls through the list (which takes a long time, because it is a long list) and her name is on the list. At number 2237!

Now when she told me that my mouth almost fell to the floor. But then she says to me with a completely straight face, what could this be a list of and how could there be 2236 before me! I laughed so loud they almost kicked me out of the restaurant. I didn't have the heart or the desire to tell her it has to be a score card. At any rate, when you think you have seen it all there is always someone out there with a crazier story than yours.

If you're curious she confronted him when he returned with all of the evidence. He denied it but it didn't matter. She moved out, kept her job and stayed in the country for several years. She recently returned to Manila and has setup several small businesses with relatives using all of the money she made overseas.

FreebieFan

08-13-11, 04:59

East TimorWel done, full marks for spotting that. Mind, if you look at ISG reports on Est Timor theres some slim pickings. So I guess Philipines it is for the cat o lick stuff.

Python75

08-21-11, 05:13

Brymor

08-21-11, 08:48

For various reasons I am seriously considering bringing my ph gf to Australia on a temporary visitor visa for 3 months.

Has any member gone through this process and is it easy?

Any advice would be most welcome.This is not directly related to your post and does not answer the question you have posed, but in a way it is linked and is an interesting story in itself. I am currently working in South East Europe in the only country in Europe that does not have a visa regime, basically anyone can enter the country provided they have the means to support themselves during their stay. There are only a handful of Filipinas working here, typically employed in domestic positions and I have got to know one quite intimately. She works for one of the richest men in Europe and the guy has a number of other Filipina staff working for him. She has been trying to get a friend from Manila to come and work here as they are short of staff at the moment.

The first time her friend tried to leave Manila on an international flight, the Philippine Immigration Officers removed her and prevented her from leaving because she did not have enough funds to show she could support herself. She had told the immigration officers that she was going on a vacation to meet her old friends rather than tell them the truth that she was going there for work.

She tried a second time some months later, having borrowed money to show Philippines Immigration officers that she had the financial means, but this time she found she was blacklisted and not allowed to leave again, despite being in possession of flight tickets. It seems this obsession with people trafficking, continually propogated by NGOs and other organizations has led to a complete lack of objectivity by the Immigration authorities in the Philippines. I am sure had she offered the immigration officer a big fat bribe of say 10, 000. 20, 000 he may have allowed her through, but that method is also not a guarantee of success.

Incidentally I have a friend from New Zealand who was working here as a very well paid consultant. He brought a Cambodian bar girl on his last visit here as a companion for his two month assignment and as I said before a visa is not required here. They were taking a connecting flight in Germany and his companion was given an extremely hard time by immigration officials there, who questioned his girl at length about the purpose of her visit. Had my friend not actually been accompanying her, he felt it was very doubtful that she would have been allowed to continue her journey.

Since P4P is virtually non existent where I am, I was thinking before of importing my own companion from the Philippines. However even if the girl has an official invitation letter from me and proof of my financial status and ability to support her, I am doubtful whether she would even reach the border here and I have sadly abandoned the idea for now.

Econo Tech

08-21-11, 09:04

Since P4P is virtually non existent where I am, I was thinking before of importing my own companion from the Philippines. However even if the girl has an official invitation letter from me and proof of my financial status and ability to support her, I am doubtful whether she would even reach the border here and I have sadly abandoned the idea for now.Actually, the same govt of Phil has also indirectly helped legalise the proper 'export' of labour, as long as a few fees are paid, no sir, not bribe, but FEES.

PM and let me give you a run down on how it works, as living in Singapore, we do have issues, when we try to bring in legal workers, for short contract, or on approval basis, while Singapore MOM completes the paperwork.

Gangles

08-21-11, 15:08

Single Filipino and Thai women are basically blacklisted in almost all western countries because there has been such a high percentage of them in the past travelling on a tourist visa for 3 months, then skipping their visa. Two years later they turn up on the door of the local welfare agency with two kids in tow, no husband. And claiming welfare.

So it is much more complex to get one into Australia.

This is what you need:

1. Complete and lodge an application for a visitor visa for her. For pinay this must be done in hard copy. All other countries do it online. There is a balancing act between your necessity to buy her a ticket in advance, and the date by which a visa can be approved and issued.

2. A round trip ticket, with duration say no more than 3 months.

3. A Statutory Declaration signed by a Justice of the Peace stating who you are, your passport number, address. Your employer if you have one. State that you have known miss X for XXX months or years, that you have a budding relationship, and you want to bring her to Australia to explore your futures together. State that you accept responsibility for her. Provide all transport, accommodation, food, living necessities. State that you take responsibility that she will depart within the time period of her visa. I accompany this with a scan of my passport. You may need to include a statement of the funds that you have at your disposal.

4. You scan the declaration. Send the declaration to her so that she has a coloured version, including the stamp by the JP.

5 You also must fax the declaration to her because the fax cannot be digitally altered.

6 She needs to have enough money with her to get her to Australia.

7 She needs to have with her any voucher that you have for hotel accommodation, or statement that you will meet her at the airport.

I think that is all.

If you plan for her to stay longer, then you may need to apply for a sponsored visitor visa. This comes with the requirement for you to lodge a surety with the Dept of Immigration. If she skips her visa, you lose your money. May be from $10, 000 to $50, 000.

I think that is about it.

G

FreebieFan

08-29-11, 05:06

Actually, the same govt of Phil has also indirectly helped legalise the proper 'export' of labour, as long as a few fees are paid, no sir, not bribe, but FEES.

PM and let me give you a run down on how it works, as living in Singapore, we do have issues, when we try to bring in legal workers, for short contract, or on approval basis, while Singapore MOM completes the paperwork.The same Philippines government in conspiracy (oops in diplomatic agreement with Taiwanese authorities) are making it a bureaucratic nightmare to bring people in. Ok the two government had a spat earlier this year but now the requirements are mad.

In order to get a resident permit one is required to get ones marriage cert notarised in the country in which you were married. If you were married in Buenos Airies for instance you got to take a trip there. Having done that the birth certs of both parties must be duly notiarised in the country of birth. Then, the Pilipino must get NBI clearance (to prove no criminal record). In order to get that the birth cert must be notarised by Philippines and Taiwan authorities. A voters certificate must be obtained. Then can apply for NBI clearance (think 2500 people every day applying with not a lot of shade, the line starts at about 4am) then have said NBI clearance notarised by Philippines and Taiwan authorities. Only then you can think about applying for said residence permit. They have made it incredibly difficult by choice as punishment for Philippimnes wrongly sending some Taiwanese criminals to China and not back to Taiwan. Governments!

Econo Tech

08-29-11, 07:37

Then can apply for NBI clearance (think 2500 people every day applying with not a lot of shade, the line starts at about 4am) then have said NBI clearance notarised by Philippines and Taiwan authorities. Only then you can think about applying for said residence permit. They have made it incredibly difficult by choice as punishment for Philippimnes wrongly sending some Taiwanese criminals to China and not back to Taiwan. Governments!No. You can always engage an 'agency' and pay 2 months of 3 months of the salary of the worker (well, when they are on six month contract, the Filipino thinking is. He is getting rich, so can afford to pay, so steal half his heard earned pay) and cut short the paper work / time spent, and agencies get it done in 1 week.

BTW, in this country, where they do all kind of IT work, wonder why they can't get a one-stop clearence place? Money my friend, money.

Gloria bashers forgot that GMA made it easier for workers to go abroad. One of the first thing that PNoy did was to rescind that order, and bring back 'normalcy' so his cronies running agencies and all can be back to minting money. And if anybody refuses, call them as '[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) victims. '

BTW, there was some picture of P Noy in Angeles, before his election: and a dozen girls around him. I wonder if the girls were for only photo-op, or.

Back to my hole now. LOL

PS: Rant mode off.

Econo Tech

08-29-11, 12:47

The same Philippines government in conspiracy (oops in diplomatic agreement with Taiwanese authorities) are making it a bureaucratic nightmare to bring people in. Ok the two government had a spat earlier this year but now the requirements are mad.Are you referring to the 'protocol' following filipinos deporting Taiwanese to China? After all, all are Chinese, right?

It's the same govt who refuse to apologies to HK for the bus drama, heck, even going to on to stay that the gunman should apologies. And the head says "I am not responsible, I didn't shoot."

FreebieFan

08-30-11, 05:36

Are you referring to the 'protocol' following filipinos deporting Taiwanese to China? After all, all are Chinese, right?

It's the same govt who refuse to apologies to HK for the bus drama, heck, even going to on to stay that the gunman should apologies. And the head says "I am not responsible, I didn't shoot."Yes I am. 2 idiots in Philppines Immigration deported the 14 Taiwanese criminals to China in the middle of he night thinking no one would notice. Now we all suffer as a results of new " rules" that the Taiwanese impose in order to let the Philippines knows that its the dog that wags the tail and not vica versa. Under the employment rules of the Civil Service in Philippines, the idiots can't even be sacked. Instead were assigned to other duties.

Ekspat

08-30-11, 09:43

Econo Tech

08-30-11, 09:52

FreebieFan

08-31-11, 02:03

Ezinho

08-31-11, 06:55

Just did a booking of a CP flight. Coming to the payment I used my CC from HSBC Philippines, didn't expect any problem. Ooooops, payment declined.

Then tried it again with HSBC card here from Malaysia, no problem at all. Payment done and got itenary.

Now suddenly they prefer foreign CCs after many of you reported refusals?

Cheers!I too just bought a ticket recently on Cebu Pacific using my Visa card issued from an American bank, and I had no problems making the purchase. In the past they wouldn't accept this same card. Perhaps they have improved their God-awful website? I noticed the purchase was "Verified by Visa", which meant I had to imput a password to authorize the transaction, I guess.

Looking at my itinerary now, I must say some of the extra fees they charge on top of the fare price seem kind of silly. Flying from Korea to the Phils, the fuel surcharge is about $36, so I guess that's ok, but there is also a Passenger Service charge of $28, a Web Admin fee of $8, and the most ridiculous, a Seat Selection fee of $12. And I'm traveling "lite", so no checked-in baggage allowed; that would've been extra too. I would say that around 40% of the actual fare I paid is just for taxes and fees. Still a decent price, but don't be fooled by how low their promo deals are.

Econo Tech

08-31-11, 08:09

and the most ridiculous, a Seat Selection fee of $12. And I'm traveling "lite", so no checked-in baggage allowed; that would've been extra too. I would say that around 40% of the actual fare I paid is just for taxes and fees. Still a decent price, but don't be fooled by how low their promo deals are.Not just 5J (Cebu pac) but, even for 3K (Jetstar) and even Tiger, and almost all LCCs, the seat selection has a little disclaimer: Seat selection is an indication of customer preference, and is not guaranteed, in case of equipment change.

In other words, if the airline switches the plane or merges two flights into one, you loose out your seat selection, and no refund for giving you hope. That goes for the 'premium' Windows seats as well.

Ekspat

09-01-11, 09:22

I can't get my HSBC HK, my HSBC Manila, my HSBC Taiwan to work in booking CP.Hi FF,

But my Malaysian HSBC card worked perfectly well, while the card HSBC Manila was rejected. Somehow I would have expected it vice versa.

Cheers!

KyCuriosity

09-02-11, 17:52

X Man

09-04-11, 14:32

Why would you have expected that outcome? I don't have a HSBC card, but don't understand the point / logic.

Hi FF,

But my Malaysian HSBC card worked perfectly well, while the card HSBC Manila was rejected. Somehow I would have expected it vice versa.

Cheers!

Devils 1

09-06-11, 08:59

I've been trying to book several hotels for February before I book my ticket and I'm glad I've tried. Most places I want, like eurotel, blue rock, hana hotel, and royal amsterdam were already booked for the date and room that I wanted. I know that January and February are the busiest months of the year, but is March just as busy? If I can't book all the rooms I would like then I was thinking of moving my dates to March. Is that any better at all? Or Just as busy in Angeles, Subic and Manila?

I'm finally able to make it back in February but I will wait and see if I can get the rooms I want for my small budget.I think you maybe too early for their reservation system. I have been trying to book air tickets and alot of the airlines won't let you book until a certain date before departure. Are you on the hotel website or aogda. Asiarooms one of those. It could be saying not available because they haven't opened up those dates yet. For the smaller hotels I would call them.

KyCuriosity

09-06-11, 18:32

I think you maybe too early for their reservation system. I have been trying to book air tickets and alot of the airlines won't let you book until a certain date before departure. Are you on the hotel website or aogda. Asiarooms one of those. It could be saying not available because they haven't opened up those dates yet. For the smaller hotels I would call them.I tried booking the Combo flight / hotel on Expedia first because I wanted the travel insurance they offer. I also tried Agoda on most of the hotels that are online just to see if they were available for my dates. I emailed Hana hotel about features of the delux room and they informed me they fill up fast at that time and to book several months ahead of time. I guess I will give it a few weeks and see what happens. Thank you for the info. In February I planned on 2 days in manila. 3 days in Subic. 3 days in Angeles, One day in Manila and then back to Angeles for 5 days, finally finishing with 2 days in Manila. Yes, a lot of traveling but I will be with different people during different times there. I like switching things up a bit during all my stays. I don't want to stay in one place too long, even if I leave and come back, that is preferable to me.

Does anyone have a preference in Travel Insurance? Do most people get it, or ignore it? I'm coming from the US.

Amavida

09-08-11, 10:44

1194601Does anyone have a preference in Travel Insurance? Do most people get it, or ignore it?Depends entirely on your risk profile. Young, fit, cashed up and not into suicidal sports? Probably you can get away with out insurance. Older gentlemen with health issues may be wise way to avoid a very expensive or very uncomfortable experience. Personally I self insure but as I get older I guess the odds are starting to stack on me that I may need sudden medical help in a strange land some day.

AV

Col Law

09-08-11, 12:11

Does anyone have a preference in Travel Insurance? Do most people get it, or ignore it? I'm coming from the US.[/QUOTE]Try the lonely planets guide insurance they give good rates, what I could see

Ekspat

09-09-11, 10:17

Why would you have expected that outcome? I don't have a HSBC card, but don't understand the point / logic.Hi X!

As far as I know, CP is Philippine based, so I expected the card issued in the Philippines would work better than a card issued abroad.

Cheers!

Econo Tech

09-09-11, 10:31

Hi X!

As far as I know, CP is Philippine based, so I expected the card issued in the Philippines would work better than a card issued abroad.

Cheers!Yah, but the payment gateway is NOT PHIL based. Heck, even their reservation is not their own, as is the norm with LCCs.

Sky Ryder

09-09-11, 10:58

I've been trying to book several hotels for February before I book my ticket and I'm glad I've tried. Most places I want, like eurotel, blue rock, hana hotel, and royal amsterdam were already booked for the date and room that I wanted. I know that January and February are the busiest months of the year, but is March just as busy? If I can't book all the rooms I would like then I was thinking of moving my dates to March. Is that any better at all? Or Just as busy in Angeles, Subic and Manila?

I'm finally able to make it back in February but I will wait and see if I can get the rooms I want for my small budget.I don't know the specific dates you are looking for, but the CNY is in FEB this year and that causes a lot of travel in the area. Not the Chinese, but ex-pats on holiday as well. Just a thought.

Sky

Toronto

09-09-11, 12:18

I don't know the specific dates you are looking for, but the CNY is in FEB this year and that causes a lot of travel in the area. Not the Chinese, but ex-pats on holiday as well. Just a thought.

SkyI believe CNY is Jan 23 in 2012.

Titmouse

09-09-11, 16:53

This is a duplicate post to one in 'Other Areas' but I don't see any discussion of Boracay there since 2009. I'm not sure anyone will see it there. I apologize in advance for repeating myself.

It's beginning to look like the girl I had planned to take to Boracay in October is going to crap out. Not sure what's going on, but she has disappeared. And she's counting on me for college tuition. I suppose I should be worried, and I am a little, but my main problem now is a prepaid airfare and hotel reservation in Boracay.

There hasn't been a report for some time here. Anyone got up-to-date information on the scene on Boracay? What are my chances of finding some professional assistance for my problem? I saw a couple of references to a bar called Cocomangos (or something like that) where FL were available two years ago. I know the main advice is to bring your own, and I'm working on that, but just in case. Any suggestions?

Redman69

09-09-11, 21:55

Member #4351

09-09-11, 22:55

My fiance has disappeared. I left her with 3K US for the interview, medical, and visa process.NEXT Why don´t you post some photos, her name and where she is from.

Tally Wacker

09-10-11, 00:34

My fiance has disappeared. I left her with 3K US for the interview, medical, and visa process. Now I am back to mongering. It is better to know this now. Rather than have her here and cost lots more. As they say in th ebig city. NEXTI agree. If she burned you for that much then post her photos, yahoo and all information. That way maybe someone else won't get burned!

Slippery

09-10-11, 03:06

FreebieFan

09-10-11, 03:33

My fiance has disappeared. I left her with 3K US for the interview, medical, and visa process. Now I am back to mongering. It is better to know this now. Rather than have her here and cost lots more. As they say in th ebig city. NEXTLook for dragonladies. Org or something like that. Then you can post everything you know about her. Its really quite an interesting site. You wil see thousands of other guys who have all been scammed previously. So don't think bad about it. Go out and enjoy and soon she's but a distant bad memory.

Econo Tech

09-10-11, 04:25

T.

It's beginning to look like the girl I had planned to take to Boracay in October is going to crap out. Not sure what's going on, but she has disappeared. And she's counting on me for college tuition. I suppose I should be worried, and I am a little, but my main problem now is a prepaid airfare and hotel reservation in Boracay.She was counting on your for tution, but not to fuck you I guess. How to give you the pu$$why when her Boyfriend is probably humping her brains off. Unless you had offered to bring her bf also along (the bf masquerading as cousin)

Haha. No offense.

Well, bring your own to Bora, with the korean invasion, they can wipe out the bars pretty early.

Tally Wacker

09-10-11, 05:47

Consider it a very cheap lesson. You don't even want to know what my divorce cost. Live and learn.You weren't too Slippery on that one ha? Been there done that and still paying for it.

Redman69

09-10-11, 20:18

Member #4351

09-10-11, 20:30

I never got bad picturesA good one would do fine.

Econo Tech

09-11-11, 07:26

I never got bad pictures. Would not post any how. Still love her. Just the idea of marriage is over.

I do not think she knew what she was doing. I can say I treated her as my wife from the day of the engagement party. Her standard of living went up. And I can afford the cost. But if you can not be trusted with a little then never alot. I am better off now knowing no doubt about it. And I wanted for her to marry me. Not a dream of utopia. I let her know me. She has decided that she did not want me.

Her visa is approved, But she wants out. I think she is being honest. I am happy to know now rather than as pointed out latter. All is good. Just my way of looking at things. I judge people by their intent. She did not go to the party with the intent to leave. She tried the bull and decided it was not for her. I am glad to have loved and lived. And to get back to the cheap pussy.

Her name is Ann from cebu. Not a working girl before, but maybe in the future. For her to decide not me. You all be good.

Next trip will be to Angeless city for sure. Take care Bro. SMay not be the best advice here, but in a simple sentance : 'you are blinded by love and nuts'

When you start to justify the fuckup, that is the beginning of blindness. I been there enough times. And I used to conjure up excuses. Till it hit me. She has switched track means, she has switched track.

Happened to me twice: met a girl, upgraded her standard of living: next thing you know she doesn't want you, and she wants somebody of her age, not an old fart like you and me. And with her upgraded standard, a dozen and one kababayans are lining up to marry her. And take her overseas.

The type of girl who goes the whole nine yard and changes her mind is the one who never had commitment from the beginning.

Chocha Monger

09-11-11, 08:14

Wow! We didn't see that train wreck coming 5 months ago. With an age difference of 34 years it was bound to be a match made in Heaven. She was pushing hard for marriage and recording your agreement and we know that Filipinas are known worldwide for their honesty and faithfulness. This is quite a shock! Filipinas don't usually run off with $3, 000 in cash. They never fleece foreigners and this behavior is very atypical. Surely she did not know what she was doing when her young pinoy boyfriend convinced her to use the dough to buy him Red Horse and shabu as he poked her silly in a humid bamboo shack. If she knew what she was doing, she certainly would not have left that resident visa on the table and a hell of a lot more than 3 grand in support payments and property division. Yep, she jumped the gun on this one. But another one will come along and she wouldn't make the same mistake twice. Still, it's not a bad heist for the Philippines. If she can pull it off with a few more doting mongers she'll be sitting pretty in the catbird seat. Not much point to posting photos of her anyways. If other guys want to give girls thousands of dollars they'll do it regardless of what anyone says. These girls deserve every penny they can get for putting up with Viagra fueled poundings from leathery weather beaten cocks.

Econo Tech

09-11-11, 10:09

Filipinas don't usually run off with $3, 000 in cash.don't generalise all filipinas. I know enough who, despite their lack of money, wouldn't want to even get a cent from you

But, back to the subject, why does it hurt when many a foreigner refuses to believe that 3,000 $ can kick start a small business for the family / boyfriend, or get a new house, or get a car / van to start rental business?

Economics my friends. 3,000 can achieve a lot more, and at some point, the urgency to marry is lost

Amanut

09-11-11, 20:31

I am booked to arrive in Manila at about 05:00 from Vancouver on Friday October 21 on a twenty one day visa. I had it all laid out. I was going to overnight in Manila with a DIA lady and go on to Palawan the next day as she did her monthly calculations and will not be receptive after October 23. From there to Cebu, then CDO, Davao and back to Manila. I have what I think are very good DIA prospects in each city.

I have been chatting with a professional woman in her early forties with two children in CDO and was going to spend time with her there. Then the cruncher. She announced that she has purchased her own ticket to Cebu and will be more comfortable and relaxed getting away from her family to spend the weekend of October 21 with me in Cebu. I understand her point and I am sure it will be an enjoyable weekend but her desire to go where she can be anonymous has royally screwed up my schedule. LOL. First of all I get off an fourteen hour flight and have to catch an early flight to Cebu and know I will be bagged.

Now I am trying to work out a new schedule. So I was looking at flying Cebu to Palawan on October 24 for about three days then back to Manila for a few days when the DIA lady will again be receptive. I have been reading the airline site and from what I can see the airline does not allow checked luggage on that route. I am wondering if anyone can confirm this. If that is the case I will have to fly back to Manila and take PAL to Palawan as I will be traveling with more than carry on. A pain and the ass as far as extra costs as well as unnecessary extra travel time.

When I am on Plalwan I am thinking of staying at The Legend Palawan on Malvar St. In Puerto Princesa and then taking a day or so and going to Elnindo and staying at an out of the way inexpensive place called The Elnido Four Seasons Resort. I am not looking for luxury, just something basic to get away and spend time with a DIA lady. Or, would I be better to just stay with her in Puerto Princesa and do some day tours. She seems to be dumb as a post so perfect for some activities but not so much as far as ideas of where to go or stay.

Thanks for your input.

Member #4698

09-11-11, 21:08

I was looking at flying Cebu to Palawan on October 24 for about three days then back to Manila for a few days when the DIA lady will again be receptive. I have been reading the airline site and from what I can see the airline does not allow checked luggage on that route. I am wondering if anyone can confirm this. If that is the case I will have to fly back to Manila and take PAL to Palawan as I will be traveling with more than carry on. A pain and the ass as far as extra costs as well as unnecessary extra travel time.

When I am on Palawan I am thinking of staying at The Legend Palawan on Malvar St. In Puerto Princesa and then taking a day or so and going to El Nindo and staying at an out of the way inexpensive place. I am not looking for luxury, just something basic to get away and spend time with a DIA lady. Or, would I be better to just stay with her in Puerto Princesa and do some day tours. She seems to be dumb as a post so perfect for some activities but not so much as far as ideas of where to go or stay.Hey Amanut, I am flying the Cebu to Palawan route in February. I prepaid for the baggage allowance of 30kg because at the airport it would cost more. In Palawan I would suggest you get out of Puerto Princessa immediately. El Nido is a long way off from PP (5 hours by van). It features some spectacular off shore island scenery and beaches. If you have 5 days or longer then go for it. You can fly direct to El Nido from Manila on Seair.

Otherwise I would suggest you go directly to Sabang Beach (1.5 hours) instead. It has a very beautiful beach and a relaxed feel. I recommend Daluyon Beach Resort $$$$ and Taraw Vista Lodge $. High end or frugal, same beach, it is up to you. For a short 3, 4.5, day excursion I think Sabang, Palawan would be great for you and the right lady. The important thing is don't stay in Puerto Princessa. It is not that it is a bad town, actually it is a pleasant town, but PP is not worth flying to Palawan for. 30 minutes out of PP, as soon as you make the turn off towards Sabang, the scenery becomes amazing and I know you will agree with what I am telling you.

Amanut

09-12-11, 03:57

Thanks Natty I appreciate the info. Can you tell me the airline you are flying? I will copy what you are doing. Rather than go to Manila, now I will likely just go back to Cebu from Palawan spend a couple more days, go to Davao and then back to Manila. I have only been to the Philippines once before and am looking forward to seeing more. Frigging tough country to learn one's way around in though.

I also appreciate the info on Sabang and will take your advise as I will only be staying three nights and four days. Even it is a difficult area to find more information about. I can't afford to stay at the Daluyon Beach Resort but the Taraw Vista Lodge likely goes too far the other way. Thanks though because you gave me a good lesson about proximity of the places. Now I have something more to work with. Google is a wonderful thing.

Key Master

09-12-11, 05:26

Do you have a contact in Puerto Princessa that you are trying to meet? If not, I'd be rethinking such a visit. I wouldn't be expecting to that some woman you just met would make a good companion for such a trip if you are thinking that. Do you know how you are going to go from Puerto Princessa to El Nido? It's not that easy, especially if it's raining. I think you are leaving yourself thin with all this planning and would do yourself a favor if you cut some of the traveling down. I wouldn't bank on all your DIA contacts coming through.

Econo Tech

09-12-11, 06:07

Member #4351

09-12-11, 15:46

She announced that she has purchased her own ticket to Cebu and will be more comfortable and relaxed getting away from her family to spend the weekend of October 21 with me in Cebu.Why are you letting a 40 year old with a couple of kids rearrange your trip? You are probably the only guy who has made a date with her in years. You shouldn't be Mr. Macho, but you should also try to leave some of the western wimpiness at home. IMHO YOU arrange your trip, if one of the girls doesn't like it you can EASILY find someone else to spend time with.

Redman69

09-12-11, 18:04

I am in AA. Thank you guys for your honesty. It hurts as much as she hurt me. Because you all make me see the truth of it all.

In your loving and gentle ways. Keep coming back muda fukers!

Amanut

09-13-11, 02:05

Actually I have no problem with her having paid her own way. For once a filipina has a brain and the ability to pay without having her hand out. She paid her way and is ready for a good weekend. Although I thought I have everything organized, it's nothing a bit of juggling can't work around.

As far as Palawan goes I do have DIA contact that I expect will be fine. I may be disappointed but keep in mind I am there to look around. Frankly whether or not she craps out at the last minutes is not a big issue.

I am taking Natty's advise and going to find a place in Sabang or the general area and will take in some sites rather than do the trek to Elnindo.

Thanks for your help everyone. I will let you know how it goes.

Member #4698

09-13-11, 04:03

Can you tell me the airline you are flying? I will copy what you are doing. Rather than go to Manila, now I will likely just go back to Cebu from Palawan spend a couple more days, go to Davao and then back to Manila.Amanut,

I am flying Cebu Pacific on my next trip throughout the Philippines. First, I am flying CP from Macau direct into Clark. The only thing wrong with this flight is it arrives in AC at 11:30PM, but Clark customs is a breeze and I will be checked into my hotel and hitting my first bar before 12:15AM. After 5 days, I will fly CP from Clark nonstop to Cebu completely avoiding an unnecessary excursion to Manila. A week later, I am flying CP on to Puerto Princessa and a week after that; I am finally flying CP to Manila.

I like the airlines. Their prices are very good, their fleet is modern, and their stewardess's are pretty. Last February I was waiting in the Macau airport for the flight to AC. Cebu Pacific made a head count of passengers and since all the ticketed passengers were in the waiting lounge, they decided to take off a half hour early. I could not believe it, but it was great. The plane was half full and I had a row of seats up front all to myself.

From Manila, I am travelling on to Thailand. I got a competitive rate with Thai Air (almost as low as CP's) but the real clincher was the Thai Air Flight leaves MNL at 1PM arriving in BKK at 3:20PM giving me plenty of time to take a taxi to Pattaya. The CP flight to BKK was not competitive on the time issue.

Soapy Smith

09-13-11, 04:25

I am taking Natty's advise and going to find a place in Sabang or the general area and will take in some sites rather than do the trek to Elnindo.I second Natty's advice. I was in Sabang in August three years ago. Nice beach, few people, high and low-end lodging options, lots of hiking trails in the national park surrounding Sabang, the underground river nearby, and lots of local boats willing to take you to the underground river or elsewhere along the coastline. The road from downtown Puerto Princesa probably still has lots of ongoing construction; it's a twisting and turning scenic hour and a half ride.

If you happen to get stuck in Puerto Princesa with time on your hands, there are some great restaurants available. My favorite is Badjao Seafront Restaurant-built on stilts over mangroves extending out into the bay. Open air design and great seafood. Another one in town is the Ka Lui Restaurant on Rizal Avenue between the airport and downtown.

If you get stranded totally without female company, there's the Phoenix KTV bar a short walk from the airport. There's a you-shaped, one-way driveway from Rizal Avenue into the airport. P Abrea Street is half way between the two sides of the U and across the street from the airport. Phoenix is about 100 meters up Abrea Street going away from the airport. I think somebody reported here a few years ago that women there go for barfine. Could be a last resort pickup for company to take to Sabang.

Amanut

09-16-11, 08:40

Econo Tech

09-16-11, 08:51

I think three nights and two days will be enough time to stretch my intellect. This is my latest DIA message from the lady I am going to spend time with in Palawan. Maybe. Struck me as funny though. I had talked to her about accommodation in Palawan. She came through with the name of a hotel she thought may be nice. The conversation finished like this.

Good evening, I'm not online yesterday, have a little problem only. How are you there hope you always okay. And I'm fine here. By the way here's the name of the hotel. Search it in google, sabang hotel. The name is Cherrydan hotel I don't know if thats a right spelling.If in Peuro Princesca, look up Starlight Apartelle. (not sure if they changed the name. Walking distance to the nearby mall. And safe place Fleuris. http://www.fleuris.com/location

I have stayed in both places.

Me: pessimist: says, if a girl can refer a hotel, there is a chance she's stayed there. LOL.

Member #4698

09-16-11, 14:10

This is my latest DIA message from the lady I am going to spend time with in Palawan. Maybe. Struck me as funny though. I had talked to her about accommodation in Palawan. She came through with the name of a hotel [Cherrydan] she thought may be nice. The conversation finished like this: Good evening, I'm not online yesterday, have a little problem only. How are you there hope you always okay. And I'm fine here. By the way here's the name of the hotel [Cherrydan]. Search it in google, sabang hotel.Amanut, For the hell of it, I checked Jens Peters 'Philippines Travel Guide' the bible on Philippine travel and Trip Advisors and found no mention of Cherrydan for Sabang.

My advice is to stop cow towing to the DIA lady and take control of the situation or you will not have a successful liaison with her. Make all the arrangements yourself and then before booking it, present her with the itinerary – dates and location only. It is a great invitation. If she is for real she will be happy to accompany you. You are the man after all and it is your job to handle these matters. It is her job to be pretty and show you a good time. If she says she is ok with the trip, fine, you may have a great excursion, but remember since you have never met this girl before there is a good probability that she will be a no show or if she does show you might not like her. This is the Philippines. So if you go ahead with your plans you should be prepared to call an audible if necessary. Your choices may end being going solo to Sabang or finding another girl on short notice to accompany you if your original plans do not pan out. All I am saying is, be prepared for the unexpected. That way you will not be let down and left hanging if things don't go as planned.

I am planning to go to northern Palawan solo in February. After a 3 week sex marathon from Hong Kong, Macau, AC to Cebu, my 6 days in Palawan will be a good R&R for me and time to charge up my batteries for round two when I head off to Manila, Pattaya, Bangkok, CP and finally Hong Kong again. If, I say if, I find a real sweetie in AC or Cebu I may ask her to accompany me in Palawan. It would be nice, but only with the right girl.

Last year I visited Sabang, Palawan solo. While staying at the Daluyon Beach and Mountain Resort I met two German girls also staying at the Daluyon the first two nights, later I ran into 3 Japanese girls on holiday there, and one night at the bar I met a pretty local girl from Puerto Princessa. The PP girl was accompanying her girl friend who was visiting her boyfriend, a local guy who worked in Sabang. I spent a nice evening talking with her, but no sex. She gave me her phone number and asked if I would be spending any time in her town. I definitely got the vibe that she would be interested in something more if I only had the time to date her and treat her right. I still have her phone number and I will call her and see if she remembers me when I get to PI. The point is there are opportunities in Palawan. I find sufficient reason to go there with or without a date. It is a beautiful island.

Gangles

09-16-11, 15:12

Somebody also posted about a KTV in PPm called Remember Me?

But the price seemed to be a bit high.

And the option of sitting in Mendoza Park in the evening until approached by a girl, or maybe a pimp.

Good luck,

G

I second Natty's advice. I was in Sabang in August three years ago. Nice beach, few people, high and low-end lodging options, lots of hiking trails in the national park surrounding Sabang, the underground river nearby, and lots of local boats willing to take you to the underground river or elsewhere along the coastline. The road from downtown Puerto Princesa probably still has lots of ongoing construction; it's a twisting and turning scenic hour and a half ride.

If you happen to get stuck in Puerto Princesa with time on your hands, there are some great restaurants available. My favorite is Badjao Seafront Restaurant-built on stilts over mangroves extending out into the bay. Open air design and great seafood. Another one in town is the Ka Lui Restaurant on Rizal Avenue between the airport and downtown.

If you get stranded totally without female company, there's the Phoenix KTV bar a short walk from the airport. There's a you-shaped, one-way driveway from Rizal Avenue into the airport. P Abrea Street is half way between the two sides of the U and across the street from the airport. Phoenix is about 100 meters up Abrea Street going away from the airport. I think somebody reported here a few years ago that women there go for barfine. Could be a last resort pickup for company to take to Sabang.

Soapy Smith

09-17-11, 03:29

I think three nights and two days will be enough time to stretch my intellect. This is my latest DIA message from the lady I am going to spend time with in Palawan. Maybe. Struck me as funny though. I had talked to her about accommodation in Palawan. She came through with the name of a hotel she thought may be nice. The conversation finished like this.

Good evening, I'm not online yesterday, have a little problem only. How are you there hope you always okay. And I'm fine here. By the way here's the name of the hotel. Search it in google, sabang hotel. The name is Cherrydan hotel I don't know if thats a right spelling.Check out GregLondon's post in the "other areas" thread.

Dick Hertz

09-20-11, 04:17

Fast Eddie 48

09-20-11, 05:47

I am going to be in Manila for one week an AC for another week in October and would like to know where is a good spot ot watch american football. I am staying in Ermita but will be willing to travel. I know it will be very later at night but it is no problem for me. Please let me know.To Dick,

The big hotel with cable that have ESPN asia will show the Sunday and Monday night game live, it will be in the morning 8 am Manila time, most sport bar show mostly soccer and basketball only not many NFL fan and PI.

Fast Eddie 48

Amanut

09-21-11, 02:36

Natty as I said in a previous post I think my Palawan DIA is dumb as a post. Perhaps that is not fair. Maybe she has just never seen the other side of life. Her Cherrydan is in fact the Sheridan. When I am chatting I do like to ask for recommendations about accommodations. It gives me a sense of what I am dealing with. The conversations with her on YM are painful, but I have seen her on cam and she is cute. Each of us has our own cues. Worst case senerio I cut it short with her with urgent business travel. Thanks for the Jens Peters link though. Great information on that site.

Skip Kost. Thanks. Yes I have sent GregLondon a PM for more info. It is going to be a great trip.

Member #4698

09-21-11, 05:41

Her Cherrydan is in fact the Sheridan. he conversations with her on YM are painful, but I have seen her on cam and she is cute. Each of us has our own cues. Worst case senerio I cut it short with her with urgent business travel.Accommodations: the Cherrydan, of course why didn't you say so in the first place? The Sheridan is the other upscale hotel in Sabang. The Daluyon is done up in the 'native' style and the Sheridan is modern in style. I did not see the rooms at the Sheridan, but I kept running into another punter who was staying there with his Filipina GF. She was hot. He said the place was nice, but next time he might try the Daluyon.

Food: the Sheridan restaurant on the beach is very good. Twice for dinner, I ordered the grilled Yellow Fin Tuna steaks and they were great – high quality and very fresh. My last night in Sabang I tried the stuffed Calamari at the Sheridan which could easily have been terrible, but it was very good. I had breakfasts at the Daluyon because it came with the room. It was ok. The best part was the fresh fruit and juices available. The Daluyon restaurant had one thing on its menu that was great: their Yellow Fin Tuna Ceviche. I ordered it almost every day for lunch. So the meals I had in Sabang turned out to be the best I had in PI. No kidding. I also tried a couple of small local type restaurants on the beach, but they were disappointing, so I stuck with the two high end places.

I think you have the right attitude concerning your DIA girl. If it does not work out; send her home or abort the mission. But don't be too hard on her. You are not asking her out because of her intellect or educational background. Treat her right and if she looks good to you, has a pleasant disposition, likes to shag, and doesn't try to take you for too much of a ride; then it will be an excellent trip. Shit, I got 4. 5 months to go before my next trip. I envy you.

Dick Hertz

09-23-11, 14:42

Thanks Fast Eddie 48. I will have to make sure I download what I need from NFL. Com before I go so I can get my team on my laptop. I just wanted to see the game on a big screen and some of the espn games do not interest me. Take care and go Bears.

Red Kilt

09-24-11, 06:57

I don't think it will happen in my lifetime but I guess we can always hope.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/dost-campaign-hopes-redefine-filipino-time-071005851.html

Soapy Smith

09-24-11, 09:51

I don't think it will happen in my lifetime but I guess we can always hope.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/dost-campaign-hopes-redefine-filipino-time-071005851.htmlI find I have a very hard time getting back to being on time for things when I return to the states after two or three weeks in the Phils. Or maybe it's just that too much sex ruins me for anything else meaningful in life.

Recently I had a Pakastani explain to me that his countrymen are so resistant and distrusting of their government, that even when the government officially announces that it's time to turn back the clocks one hour for the summer, most Pakastanis don't bother to do it. Time demarcations are, after all, arbitrary and relative, and they don't have much direct correlation with movements of fish or game, ripening crops, or seasonal weather.

Econo Tech

09-25-11, 06:15

I find I have a very hard time getting back to being on time for things when I return to the states after two or three weeks in the Phils. Or maybe it's just that too much sex ruins me for anything else meaningful in life.

Recently I had a Pakastani explain to me that his countrymen are so resistant and distrusting of their government, that even when the government officially announces that it's time to turn back the clocks one hour for the summer, most Pakastanis don't bother to do it. Time demarcations are, after all, arbitrary and relative, and they don't have much direct correlation with movements of fish or game, ripening crops, or seasonal weather.Not without reason. An Asian country adjusted the clock by 1 hour, towards GMT, and the Asian Tsunami hit. And the astrologers believe that the calamity happened, simply, by adjusting the clock, the country had been relocated to a different 'plane' and a different location, and hence bore the wrath of the Gods.

Lo and behold, the next year they put back the time to where it was long before.

Welcome to Asia. There are powerful forces at play here.

Since this is the Philippines thread, how do you understand people who rate VP Binay as the most trusted person, when his wife is facing corruption charges? And how do you understand people who hate Macros Sr but vote in Marcos Jr and his mom?

Soapy Smith

09-26-11, 06:30

how do you understand people who rate VP Binay as the most trusted person, when his wife is facing corruption charges? And how do you understand people who hate Macros Sr but vote in Marcos Jr and his mom?I don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) into the wind, either.

Sky Ryder

09-26-11, 15:58

The Bears put up a good fight yesterday but I am a Packer fan. Good luck.Hey D Cups,

Glad to hear there are Packer Backers everywhere! There is actually a shop beside the Royal Amsterdam Hotel in AC that sells some pretty nice jerseys. I got a Farve and Rodgers one last spring. Maybe we can share a brat and a beer sometime! It was SWEET yesterday!

GO PACK GO!

Slippery

09-26-11, 18:07

Hey D Cups,

Glad to hear there are Packer Backers everywhere! There is actually a shop beside the Royal Amsterdam Hotel in AC that sells some pretty nice jerseys. I got a Farve and Rodgers one last spring. Maybe we can share a brat and a beer sometime! It was SWEET yesterday!

GO PACK GO!Is that the little shack painted green and gold with the Packers helmet? How 'about that Pack. You could have shot a cannonball down main street in my Wisconsin downtown and not hit a soul. The Bears fans down in Illinois have been whining all day.

Nolz7

09-26-11, 18:51

FreebieFan

09-27-11, 01:53

Since this is the Philippines thread, how do you understand people who rate VP Binay as the most trusted person, when his wife is facing corruption charges? And how do you understand people who hate Macros Sr but vote in Marcos Jr and his mom?VP Binay has at the last count about 10 charges against him. Hes fighting them all with Makati tax payers money and some maybe resolved by 2020. His wife only has the one charge against her. VP Binays son, now the mayor has a few charges against him too, some in which the mother is a co-respondant and some in which father and brother are co respondants. His former deputy mayor even has filed charges against the VP.

The only question I ask is how on a mayors salary did he have a really blingy gold rolex with all the diamonds that was his favouritre accessory. Not to the mention the cost of his daughters wedding which I attended. Now that was truly extravagant! Being a mayor is lucrative in Phils.

Econo Tech

09-27-11, 03:13

I don't care about their political views as long as I can get cheap pussy!Yah, but the US Ambassador has just opened up a new way for the PNP / BI and all and Sundry to screw visitors. Accusing anybody of being sex tourist.

What is he upto? Hmmmm.

Does he even know that the 'girls' are brought to the trade by their own brethren and it's not like the foreigners are morally corrupting them?

Apeman 28

09-27-11, 03:45

Hi all.

I was wondering if anyone has used these cards to withdrawl money from ATM's, if so do the PI Machines hit you up with a transaction fee.

Cheers

Econo Tech

09-27-11, 04:52

Hi all.

I was wondering if anyone has used these cards to withdrawl money from ATM's, if so do the PI Machines hit you up with a transaction fee.

CheersI used, and do max withdrawal, as the ATMs charge for each withdrawal.

Forgot the numbers, but, yes, there are charges, unless you use Citi. Or so I am told. Never tried.

It was about 200 peso per withdrawal?

Geneva Guy

09-27-11, 12:12

FreebieFan

09-28-11, 02:19

Guys.

Ok an unusual request. I met this filipina at a filipina dating site. Have talked to her, her family. And she was to come to SG to visit me this week. I got her a ticket in SIA, she had a letter from me with ALL my info, a statement saying I would care for her financially, she had 500 USD, a valid passport. She has a real job, a family, a house, etc. She got unloaded at manilla (after she checked in). I checked with SIA and they confirmed that immigration pulled her. I talked to ICA in Changi who assured me that this is NOT a SG government problem or request to let filipinas come on tourists visas (esp if they have a return ticket). Of course, they told her some story about needing an "affidavit for travel". And that was a requirement of the SG govt. I checked 3 times with ICA in SG and they said "no such rule exists"

Any ideas besides the fact that PHIL is a terrible government? I'm really upset as is she of course. I know this isn't BS on her part because again SIA confirmed her check in, through security and that she got pulled by PHIL immigration.

Thanks,

GGFeel your pain. Helped a Filipina to get a passport recently but realised that this kind of hassle makes it too much of a hit or miss as to whether she can get the flight. This discussion has been on this board a few times already.

The blame sits fairly on the shoulders of the "do gooders". Philippines knows it will get money from US for stopping innocent people from travelling under the guise of " anti trafficking. Its knows it will get money if it thunders into Angeles and saves bar girls (who are quite happy being bargirls!).

Its part of the same idiocy as proclaimed the fabulously overweight and too talkative US Ambassador who seems to be a mouthpiece for Hilary. Sadly your girl got caught up in all this nonsense.

And yet if you were related to the Yakuza and were trying to get your girl to Japan, it would be easy. If you were related to some Koreans gangs and were bringing a girl out of NAIA would be easy too. Its we innocents who have these problems. Sorry that your banging plans didn't work out.

If its any consolation, its really easy for a girl to get out of Indonesia especially for a SG trip. I've done that many times.

Econo Tech

09-28-11, 03:39

Guys.

Ok an unusual request. I met this filipina at a filipina dating site. Have talked to her, her family. And she was to come to SG to visit me this week. I got her a ticket in SIA, she had a letter from me with ALL my info, a statement saying I would care for her financially, she had 500 USD, a valid passport. She has a real job, a family, a house, etc. She got unloaded at manilla (after she checked in). I checked with SIA and they confirmed that immigration pulled her. I talked to ICA in Changi who assured me that this is NOT a SG government problem or request to let filipinas come on tourists visas (esp if they have a return ticket). Of course, they told her some story about needing an "affidavit for travel". And that was a requirement of the SG govt. I checked 3 times with ICA in SG and they said "no such rule exists"

Any ideas besides the fact that PHIL is a terrible government? I'm really upset as is she of course. I know this isn't BS on her part because again SIA confirmed her check in, through security and that she got pulled by PHIL immigration.

Thanks,

GGNot abnormal, considering that the BI in Manila thinks that US Govt pays them to stop as much people as possible, from leaving Philippines.

You must include an invite, or else, it was bound to happen. Especially when the BI has been authorised by the Pres to stop [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), and illegal labour (regardless that people are running out of Phil because of poverty.) and paying the "Escorts" and POEA would magically fix stuff.

The affidavit for travel, as well, as the right to ask your family history / income tax return / DNA verification / Proof of your virginity etc. Etc. Is a RULE BY PHIL GOVT / BI. Nothing to do with Singapore.

And Gloria made travel easy for Filipinos. Aquino made it tough, as the various scammers were loosing out when the country had free travel. So the rules were reversed, including compulsory POEA registration, leading to 1 or 2 months salary deduction, or more. And so and so. Plus the 'escorts'.

Ask her why they voted in PNoy.

PM me if you want to get her here. I will advice accordinlgy

Apeman 28

09-28-11, 07:14

I used, and do max withdrawal, as the ATMs charge for each withdrawal.

Forgot the numbers, but, yes, there are charges, unless you use Citi. Or so I am told. Never tried.

It was about 200 peso per withdrawal?Thanks for the info, Might try Citi and HSBC terminals and keep fingers crossed. Cheers

Red Kilt

09-28-11, 08:18

Guys.

Ok an unusual request. I met this filipina at a filipina dating site. Have talked to her, her family. And she was to come to SG to visit me this week. I got her a ticket in SIA, she had a letter from me with ALL my info, a statement saying I would care for her financially, she had 500 USD, a valid passport. She has a real job, a family, a house, etc. She got unloaded at manilla (after she checked in). I checked with SIA and they confirmed that immigration pulled her. I talked to ICA in Changi who assured me that this is NOT a SG government problem or request to let filipinas come on tourists visas (esp if they have a return ticket). Of course, they told her some story about needing an "affidavit for travel". And that was a requirement of the SG govt. I checked 3 times with ICA in SG and they said "no such rule exists"

Any ideas besides the fact that PHIL is a terrible government? I'm really upset as is she of course. I know this isn't BS on her part because again SIA confirmed her check in, through security and that she got pulled by PHIL immigration.

Thanks,

GGBad story.

I heard of 2 other cases this week of girls being pulled off flights to HK, despite having all the required letters, docs etc.

This case from GG seems particularly bad given that she has a real job, a house etc and had all the right letters too.

In the HK cases apparently both of them forfeited their tickets because the airline was not responsible for what happened.

I travelled to HK with my filipina wife 2 weeks ago. I checked in through the ACR foreigner checkpoint and then waited inside for her while she went through another immigration line and they held her up with questions about her travelling alone etc. She called me over and I showed my I D and answered some questions and the immig officer was satisfied that she was my wife (we both had similar family name in the passport)

I guess there are new rules now and if you want to take a girl out of the country maybe you need to travel with her. Just because it was OK for single unaccompanied girls to leave a month ago doesn't mean it is OK now.

Devils 1

09-28-11, 08:20

Guys.

And she was to come to SG to visit me this week. I got her a ticket in SIA, she had a letter from me with ALL my info, a statement saying I would care for her financially, she had 500 USD, a valid passport. She has a real job, a family, a house, etc. She got unloaded at manilla (after she checked in). I checked with SIA and they confirmed that immigration pulled her. I talked to ICA in Changi who assured me that this is NOT a SG government problem or request to let filipinas come on tourists visas (esp if they have a return ticket). Of course, they told her some story about needing an "affidavit for travel". And that was a requirement of the SG govt. I checked 3 times with ICA in SG and they said "no such rule exists"

Any ideas besides the fact that PHIL is a terrible government? I'm really upset as is she of course. I know this isn't BS on her part because again SIA confirmed her check in, through security and that she got pulled by PHIL immigration.don't know what all of these acronyms (SIA, ICA, SG) mean. But it seems if you travel with the girl alot of these problems are solved.

Econo Tech

09-28-11, 10:04

don't know what all of these acronyms (SIA, ICA, SG) mean. But it seems if you travel with the girl alot of these problems are solved.Not always, as the BI will seperate the two.

And my GF threw a massive hissy fit, when she was refused clearence as she didn't have a "LEAVE APPROVAL" from the hospital. Turns out the Phil has this American colonial time rule that all govt employees must show proof of leave, else they disappear overseas.

And she was also asked to show her income tax returns. She blew up and said "FOR FUCK SAKE, YOU ARE NOT TAXI DEPT, AND WHY DO YOU PICK ON PEOPLE LIKE ME AND LET OFF THOSE RICH PEOPLE? DO YOU ASK THEM FOR ALL THE ABOVE AND MORE?"

She blasted them telling that she must be remanded or refund the flight ticket, and BI is violating her basic human right to travel. All silence, and she was let off. Works most of the time.

As for the airline, yes, even airlines have filed a case against loss of revenue, as, those on regular fare do file for claims, and disputed, and the seat is left empty, and until the segment is cancelled off, the return too is lost. The case may be heard by 2014. And by then. Legal fees would have gone sky high.

Ah, thanks to PNoy. Who is screwing everybody who is leaving the country.

As I mentioned, even those coming on short 6 months contract must engage a licensed agent, pay 3 month salary and then the Govt wonders why those on short contracts end up part timing in bars and what nots.

It's a vicious cycle they spin.

A Filipino said, the rich have no problem travelling, the poor, walang pera, the middle class becoming affluent now, are FLEECED.

By the way, the affidavit to travel? Cost a mere 68 U$ in Phil Embassy, Singapore. Another money spinnnng scam

FreebieFan

09-29-11, 04:10

Econo Tech

09-29-11, 05:38

Bloomberg

09-29-11, 11:14

Lord Balut

09-30-11, 03:06

Well we can't say Mr Obese didn't have it coming.

Making provacative statements about 40% of male visitors going to Phils for bonking vacations, was bound to stir the pot.

And now, offended and in umbrage the Senators ask him where he got his figures from.

Probably from several Big Macs if you look at the obese lump of lard! Someone should take him to Burgos!

Nice article.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/13953/say-sorry-or-pack-up-us-envoy-told-over-sex-remarkThe Dude was probably just extrapolating (and aiming low with his number) from the observed conduct of his own military / embassy personnel. You can't blame the guys for sure. 5-star accommodation with king size beds on government bill and I've seen 3- and 4-star generals and admirals doing nothing to discourage the lower ranks. Discretion is kept to a minimum. Can't blame them as well, for a stint in Paradise surely boosts morale after rotating out of a dusty hellhole. I haven't talked to a military guy yet who doesn't want to come back if the chance arises.

So the Dude should probably just shut up or do something in his own backyard first and risk a mutiny. How exactly blossomed Angeles City again? Next to former Clark Airbase? Oh.

Lord Balut

09-30-11, 03:37

And how do you understand people who hate Macros Sr but vote in Marcos Jr and his mom?Well, being elected into office in the Philippines doesn't necessarily mean that people actually voted for you. And this particular family put CONSIDERABLE resources into their last elections (all 3 of them, Senator Son, Congresswoman Mother and Governor Daughter) , in the process thrusting aside long time political allies who couldn't match the expenses to the people in charge of well, receiving said expenses. With that said, the family always had comparably strong support in their home provinces, coupled with the "investment", that "election" was turned into a cakewalk.

Gangles

09-30-11, 11:19

Jambo

09-30-11, 12:20

I had to wear a suit like that with the temperatures over here.Could be some sort of odd conservative restriction with the embassy. My last trip there. 6 years ago, I noticed all the operations staff was in jacket and tie while working. Probably taking orders on that from the top.

Econo Tech

09-30-11, 12:52

Could be some sort of odd conservative restriction with the embassy. My last trip there. 6 years ago, I noticed all the operations staff was in jacket and tie while working. Probably taking orders on that from the top.That dress code is enforced primarily in 'third world' nations, probably to show the who the paymaster / boss is LOL.

In Singapore, the staff are seldom seen dolled up in Jacket and Tie.

Econo Tech

09-30-11, 16:25

Gentlemen.

I was talking this morning with a young Cebu filipina who poured out her problem.

She has just confirmed that she is pregnant.

Says the impregnation happened on August 3. Means she is almost 2 months pregnant.

Says she does not want the baby.

Does anybody know of potions or pills that will terminate her pregnancy safely at this stage?

Thanks in anticipation.

GYou can fly her to Singapore, spend 800 $ to clear it, and then fly her back LOL.

Abortion is illegal (crazy Pres PNoy's one shining star is his insistence on the RH Bill to fix this. But, not yet.)

Alternate is to use the abort pills, though getting on the net is not something I would want to do.

Google for Cytotech.

Even for Cytotech, which could create bleeding (essentially it is inducing abortion). Not nice to do it in Philippines.

Sane idea: get medical help, out of PHIL

GoodEnough

09-30-11, 23:53

You can fly her to Singapore, spend 800 $ to clear it, and then fly her back LOL.

Abortion is illegal (crazy Pres PNoy's one shining star is his insistence on the RH Bill to fix this. But, not yet.)

Alternate is to use the abort pills, though getting on the net is not something I would want to do.

Google for Cytotech.

Even for Cytotech, which could create bleeding (essentially it is inducing abortion). Not nice to do it in Philippines.

Sane idea: get medical help, out of PHILI don't think Singapore is a viable alternative. While abortion is legal there, the right is restricted to residents of the country, and you have to be able o prove that you've been there for a minimum of four months before you can terminate a pregnancy.

Econo Tech

10-01-11, 04:57

I don't think Singapore is a viable alternative. While abortion is legal there, the right is restricted to residents of the country, and you have to be able o prove that you've been there for a minimum of four months before you can terminate a pregnancy.Since when? Even maids get aborted here legally, even though the law says Maids can't get pregnant. Oh heck, enough of people I know, flew in here, aborted, and went back.

Maybe you asked the Govt hospitals.

Spam Hog

10-01-11, 07:42

Gentlemen.

I was talking this morning with a young Cebu filipina who poured out her problem.

She has just confirmed that she is pregnant.

Says the impregnation happened on August 3. Means she is almost 2 months pregnant.

Says she does not want the baby.

Does anybody know of potions or pills that will terminate her pregnancy safely at this stage?

Thanks in anticipation.

GAbortion is illegal in the Phils and a criminal offense if you facilitate one, that said, it is common knowledge that the Chinese Filipino's sell a drink concotion that will induce abortion in its early stages.

She'd have to find a Chinese herbalist for it.

Billy

Jim Nelson

10-01-11, 07:55

Spam Hog

10-01-11, 07:56

Not abnormal, considering that the BI in Manila thinks that US Govt pays them to stop as much people as possible, from leaving Philippines.

You must include an invite, or else, it was bound to happen. Especially when the BI has been authorised by the Pres to stop [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), and illegal labour (regardless that people are running out of Phil because of poverty.) and paying the "Escorts" and POEA would magically fix stuff.

The affidavit for travel, as well, as the right to ask your family history / income tax return / DNA verification / Proof of your virginity etc. Etc. Is a RULE BY PHIL GOVT / BI. Nothing to do with Singapore.

And Gloria made travel easy for Filipinos. Aquino made it tough, as the various scammers were loosing out when the country had free travel. So the rules were reversed, including compulsory POEA registration, leading to 1 or 2 months salary deduction, or more. And so and so. Plus the 'escorts'.

Ask her why they voted in PNoy.

PM me if you want to get her here. I will advice accordinlgyJust my 2 cents, having worked in Singapore previously (security related) I understand a few things. Back a few years, the airport people were hell on Thai girls coming in from Bangkok on Thursday and Friday. Lots of the girls were working girls who came in looking to work Orchid road. They would 3rd degree these girls, look in their purse for condoms, lingerie, x rated DVD's etc.

Ask how much money they had etc etc, they knew a lot of them were hookers.

Sounds like they are doing the same to the Phil chicks.

Last year, you had that botched hostage rescue in Manila in which several Chinese citizens were killed by a PNP gone psycho. You can bet that is the HK Chinese way of shitting all over Filipinos by hassling them at the airport.

Spam hog

Econo Tech

10-01-11, 08:20

[QUOTE=Spam Hog; 1202134.

Last year, you had that botched hostage rescue in Manila in which several Chinese citizens were killed by a PNP gone psycho. You can bet that is the HK Chinese way of shitting all over Filipinos by hassling them at the airport.

Spam hog[/QUOTE]You imagine too many things about Singapore.

The issue is AT MANILA AIRPORT, not in Singapore. And escorts are FILIPINO escorts to escort them out of the Airport past BI (MANILA IMMIGRATION).

With the US Ambassador and US Govt pressuring the Phil Govt to stop [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).

(Re: the Hon US Ambassador. Poor guy. Maybe feeling frustrated that while his staff are having a whale of a time in P Burgos and Edsa, heck, even PNoy had frequent visits to AC.)

Chocha Monger

10-02-11, 01:56

The drug CYTOTEC is a medication taken for ulcers. Also it will often be used to abort a pregnancy. The drug is readily available in the Philippines. It works! Side effects, will cause abnormal "flow" for 2 weeks.Before conspiring to murder this girl's unborn child please consider the fact that this is a criminal act under her nation's laws. More importantly, she may be killed by the complications resulting from an illegal abortion. Giving her an ulcer drug that will make her bleed out of her pussy for two weeks under questionable sanitary conditions in the Third World sounds like a recipe for terminating her and the pregnancy. It would be criminal to administer such a drug unless one is a licensed physician who has conducted a physical evaluation and interview of the patient and is knowledgeable of the correct dosage, possible drug interactions and side effects.

Unless you want to end up on trial for murder like Dr Conrad Murray minus the medical degree and license, and plus the charge for illegally practicing medicine, stay away from this one. Even in settings where abortion is legal the girl would need counseling by a mental health professional before and after the procedure. It is not quite as simple as when you buy your street Viagra to self-medicate in order to remedy a limp dick. If your self-prescribed dick pills result in priapism with massive stroke or heart attack the local authorities wouldn't give a second thought to another dead sex tourist in a low budget hotel room. This girl has family and questions are likely to be asked if she hemorrhages out her pussy and dies leaving those pills behind. You don't want to be the foreigner involved in the deaths.

Take a look at articles 256 thru 259 of the revise Philippine penal code:

Art. 256. Intentional abortion. — Any person who shall intentionally cause an abortion shall suffer:

1. The penalty of reclusion temporal, if he shall use any violence upon the person of the pregnant woman.

2. The penalty of prision mayor if, without using violence, he shall act without the consent of the woman.

3. The penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods, if the woman shall have consented.

Art. 257. Unintentional abortion. — The penalty of prision correccional in its minimum and medium period shall be imposed upon any person who shall cause an abortion by violence, but unintentionally.

Art. 258. Abortion practiced by the woman herself of by her parents. — The penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods shall be imposed upon a woman who shall practice abortion upon herself or shall consent that any other person should do so.

Any woman who shall commit this offense to conceal her dishonor, shall suffer the penalty of prision correccional in its minimum and medium periods.

If this crime be committed by the parents of the pregnant woman or either of them, and they act with the consent of said woman for the purpose of concealing her dishonor, the offenders shall suffer the penalty of prision correccional in its medium and maximum periods.

Art. 259. Abortion practiced by a physician or midwife and dispensing of abortives. — The penalties provided in Article 256 shall be imposed in its maximum period, respectively, upon any physician or midwife who, taking advantage of their scientific knowledge or skill, shall cause an abortion or assist in causing the same.

Any pharmacist who, without the proper prescription from a physician, shall dispense any abortive shall suffer arresto mayor and a fine not exceeding 1, 000 pesos.

Econo Tech

10-02-11, 07:22

Side effects, will cause abnormal "flow" for 2 weeks.And possibly death. No kidding.

FreebieFan

10-03-11, 02:23

I don't think Singapore is a viable alternative. While abortion is legal there, the right is restricted to residents of the country, and you have to be able o prove that you've been there for a minimum of four months before you can terminate a pregnancy.Quick trip to HK is what a few friends of mine have done. Of course thats assuming that a young single passport holding ticket carrying girl can make it past Fortress Immigration. Then again when those wallys ask a girl why she's going overseas and she says to get abortion they might lock her up immediately or just say quietly " proceed".

WestCoast1

10-04-11, 03:28

Has sub $1000 from western US to Manila between now and mid-December, and sub $1300 in June / July.

Fast Eddie 48

10-05-11, 23:06

Has sub $1000 from western US to Manila between now and mid-December, and sub $1300 in June / July.To West coast

There are many airline offer fare From SFO to Manila now to mid DEC for less than 1000 USD, the problem with Hawaiian air is coming back stopping in Hawaii you need to past immgration there it is no fun they check your luggage before changing to another flight back to SFO.

Fast Eddie 48

FreebieFan

10-06-11, 02:23

People living in the Philippines may well have encountered this type of thug. The local hardboy who backs up his braggadacio with a display of hardware thats more than the normal 4 incher LOL.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/71323/american-blames-spat-with-byron-for-anxiety

Note the reporting also. The American is "blamed" in the heading.

Never mind the idiot with the loud mouth and the louder gun.

Maybe the Fat Ambassador might have something to say about this instead of his more recent ramblings.

FreebieFan

10-07-11, 02:26

Lovely tongue in cheek article prompted by the Fat Ambassador of Fatland's comments.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/14641/sex-tourism-diplomatic-ouch

Econo Tech

10-07-11, 15:34

most foreign men do come to philippines for sex. you don't need any statistical data to back this up. if not for sex i am sure it's not to take in the amazing architecture or fine cuisine.oh yeah? why don't you run off like the 'educated' filipinos defending their pride calling all westerners as "****s". as you can see in many local forums, and going on to say "we don't need any tourists, as all tourists are ****s". lol.

and i normally ask them to simply ban all tourists, so problem solved. right? no can do, as the country needs tourists, and as per a conservative estimate, tourists smitten by their girl friends are remitting a conservative amount of at least 500 milllion or more.

catch 22 mate.

probably you should step away from angeles and see the other parts of the country, where you don't find 'sex workers' like you are implying.

or maybe you were the one that the hon ambassador was talking about lol

Frenzy3

10-07-11, 19:22

Lovely tongue in cheek article prompted by the Fat Ambassador of Fatland's comments.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/14641/sex-tourism-diplomatic-ouchI told you scientific research is why I live here. One day I write my book for you all to read.

Omeprazol

10-07-11, 22:46

A question for all of you; its illegal to P4P in Philly but in reality, has anyone here been harassed by the police or authority? Is it totally safe to P4P in Philly? Whats the worst thing that can happen?

FreebieFan

10-08-11, 04:09

I told you scientific research is why I live here. One day I write my book for you all to read.Thanks to the power of ISG and the howls of protest on this and similar site the FAt Ambassador yesterday apologised.

See todays Inquirer.

Ambassador stated he goes out incognito and only gets laid four times per ten girls he approaches, so based on that piece of powerful analysis and deduction he concluded and extrapolated that the four out ten rule probably applies.

We all say thankyou for apologising now go back to doing what you do best Mr ambassador. Fried chicken anyone!

Chocha Monger

10-08-11, 05:55

Sadly, the reason for some mongers' outrage at the ambassador's statement is because they are exactly the type of men he was talking about. Dudes who come to the Philippines with suitcases filled with used cell phones, cheap lingerie, candy, dildos and dog collars are not there to enjoy the wonderful views, pristine beaches, world class cuisine, and efficient transportation. Judging from all of the whining about dishonest taxi drivers, bad service, directionally challenged pedestrians, corrupt authorities, unreliable utilities, shoddy infrastructure, tardiness of natives, and on and on, it is quite obvious that the members of this forum are here for one thing only, young Filipina vagina.

The photos of vaginally orally anally defiled Filipinas posted on the board serve as a testament to the activities of male visitors to the Philippines. ISG sex tourists announce their plans to visit for sex then compile titillating reports giving blow by blow accounts of their sexual escapades. It is hypocritical to the point of being ridiculous for a sex tourist be outraged at the ambassador pointing out the obvious. No, the outrage has nothing to do with the accuracy of the ambassador's comment. The anger comes from the fact that he dared to point a finger in the great unwashed face of sex tourism and call for its prosecution. He turned on the light, pulled back the blanket and the cockroaches went scurry madly for cover. Everyone knows that business travel to the Philippines is a euphemism for sex travel. Perhaps, someone's wife read the ambassador's comments and asked some awkward questions. As the saying goes, 'Birds and beasts when brought to bay will use their claws and teeth. '

Dickhead

10-08-11, 06:26

"the wonderful views, pristine beaches, world class cuisine, and efficient transportation."

Chocha Monger, I don't know exactly when you went off your medication and went to work for a not-for-profit rescue agency run by imperialist tools, but you need to get back on the meds and maybe try to extricate your head from your rectal cavity. What are you, born again or something?"The great unwashed face of sex tourism?" Maybe Michelle Bachman hijacked your ISG password. Spaniards and Portuguese sailed the seas and rammed their religion down the throats in these places, while hypocritically impregnating the women, and now you have an archipelago of brothels, a population of abandoned bastards, and the poverty that lies in the wake of failed colonialism. In the short term an infusion of foreign capital is needed.

So how many of you out there want to risk your capital in a place with this level of corruption and bullshit? Right, I didn't think so. Therefore the long term solution is hard to define but in the short to medium run, mongers or "sex tourists" or whatever you want to label them are part of the solution more than they are part of the problem.

Econo Tech

10-08-11, 08:07

Sadly, the reason for some mongers' outrage at the ambassador's statement is because they are exactly the type of men he was talking about. Dudes who come to the Philippines with suitcases fill.Boring. Are you implying that all mongers are in ISG? Or ISG is a 100% accurate represention of the tourists visiting Philippines, including those who can't write in English? Wow. Jackson must be thrilled.

And as per my last post, just shut out all tourists, and problem solved. A friend asked, when he travels to Manila, for his company's factory visit, he gets laid, so does he go into the 'sex tourist' category or not?

And another, who is a keen diver, asked, that every time he heads to Philippines for Scuba diving, he gets enticed by girls, some married, and just looking for fun with a foreigner. Do they fall into the sex-tourist category?

Well, me, while am not heading explicitly for sex, when I head to Manila to conduct training / and customer visits, do get offered a night of company, which I sometimes take, sometimes don't, do I fall into the sex tourist category?

Omeprazol: what can happen? As many a foreigner has found out, but dare not tell: the cops charge "YOU" for [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), and make you the pimp.

Know a dozen such case like that, and a 50,000 or 100,000 peso 'fine' settles it.

So it is for drug buyers, when caught in a police op, the local seller is downgraded to buyer and the foreign buyer gets upgraded to seller / agent / drug kingpin. Etc. Etc.

PS: if the american embassy staff are using ISG as a yardstick, they should be fired, for a start. And shows how lax the US Embassy is, in terms of internet policing LOL

Fast Buck Artist

10-08-11, 09:42

What did the ambassador say, 50% of single male tourists to Philippines are sex tourists?
Hmm I don't have hard data, but this isn't far from the truth.
If you include all the male tourists who are here for business but do some mongering in spare time, that figure is closer to 80%
Do you know any single male visitors who left the place without getting laid? I dont know any.

Red Kilt

10-08-11, 10:01

what did the ambassador say. 50% of single male tourists to philippines are sex tourists?

. .he didn't actually say anything about this in his prepared speech that was delivered.

by all accounts he made the comment and included statistics when he was responding during the discussion that followed, and naturally enough, the journalists who were there jumped on it and reported it widely and ignored everything else that was said.

the whole thing would have died if everybody hadn't jumped on the wagon and kept repeating his comments, and i include isg people in that. now sex tourism is once again a major topic for conversation and that cannot possibly be a good thing.

it can only be a negative for monger activity as more attention will now be given to unaccompanied males visiting the phils and an effort made to find out where they go and what they do. don't underestimate the influence that the us government has in this country through the power of the foreign aid given here. the phils government cannot afford to have any reduction in the level of us aid and they will be very worried by the impending cuts that the usa is foreshadowing in its foreign aid budgets. they will want to be seen to be cooperating in any research in this area.

Fast Buck Artist

10-08-11, 10:14

It can only be a negative for monger activity as more attention will now be given to unaccompanied males visiting the Phils and an effort made to find out where they go and what they do. Don't underestimate the influence that the US government has in this country through the power of the foreign aid given here. The Phils government cannot afford to have any reduction in the level of US aid and they will be very worried by the impending cuts that the USA is foreshadowing in its foreign aid budgets. They will want to be seen to be cooperating in any research in this area.Its hardly a secret most single male travellers come here for sex. What can they do about it, ask at the airport - sir are you a sex tourist? should we check your bags for dildoes and lingerie? :)

Speaking of US foreign aid, there was an interesting and hilarious poll of americans where they asked them if they think the budget deficit should be reduced and what items should be included in the reductions. While the majority said yes budget needs a reduction, oh but don't touch medicare, or military spending, or social security, or education, or anything that actually matters! . Well there was ONE item in the list the majority could agree that needs to be cut. Yes, US foreign aid!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/145790/Americans-Oppose-Cuts-Education-Social-Security-Defense.aspx

X Man

10-08-11, 15:45

Good for you. I co-authored a book, and it acutally made me some money.

What language will you use? I assume it is not English when you write,"one day I write my book"

I told you scientific research is why I live here. One day I write my book for you all to read.

Mr Enternational

10-09-11, 01:51

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — The USA ambassador to the Philippines has apologized for his recent statement that 40 percent of male tourists visit the country for sex, a government spokesman said Saturday.

Ambassador Harry Thomas sent a cellphone text message Friday to Philippine Foreign Secretary Albert del Rosario, who was on a visit to Vietnam, expressing regret for his comments, foreign affairs spokesman Raul Hernandez said.

"I should not have used the 40 percent statistic without the ability to back it up. I regret any harm that I may have caused," Thomas said in the text message, which Hernandez forwarded to journalists.

USA Embassy spokeswoman Tina Malone said Saturday that Thomas "offered his deep regret" for his comment. She said the United States would continue to be a "strong and dedicated partner of the Filipino people in combating the global scourges of [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and sexual tourism."

Thomas' remark last month angered some officials who questioned its basis and said it tarnished the country's image.

After addressing a discussion on [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) in the Philippines on Sept. 22, Thomas also told journalists that the sex tourists included Americans and that it was "something I'm not proud of." He urged Philippine authorities to prosecute all foreign sex tourists, including Americans.

The Philippines is trying to revive its tourism industry and erase its 1980s reputation as a major destination for sex tourists.

As a former USA colony, the Philippines hosted American bases until the early 1990s, and communities around the military facilities became liberty towns and havens for prostitution that catered to American service members.

Earlier this past week, Justice Secretary Leila de Lima wrote Thomas seeking data to back up his remarks after the ambassador said the Justice Department was the source of his information.

De Lima told reporters such comments from a diplomat were offensive and demeaning since they portrayed the Philippines as a "country of sex workers."

FreebieFan

10-09-11, 02:21

Get a life. You have been slugging off at this American Ambassador on thread after thread. Christening him fat as if you couldn't afford to lose a few pounds and you're damn self. I don't understand what about his comments pissed you and other 'mongers' off so much. Most foreign men do come to Philippines for sex. You don't need any statistical data to back this up. If not for sex I am sure it's not to take in the amazing architecture or fine cuisine.

In regards to your article foreigners need to realize this is not the West. Keep your head down and mind your business. He may well be deported and have leave his wife and property behind due to arguing with a powerful local because of this 'Western Pride. '

This is not Kansas.I've no idea where the heck Kansas is and don't need to find out. The guy representing presumably your country strayed into waters that the Philippines, and Filipinos found offensive. I have a great life and its filled with lots of sweet young girls. As for my my weight, same as past 20 years. Don't talk about what you don't know. This aint Huddersfield. Oh and maybe its a spellcheck thing, but the more common well known well used phrase is " slagging off". Maybe people from Kansarse use " slugging off " LOL

Chocha Monger

10-09-11, 03:30

Well, now we know why Ex-man was gaining experiences at Tarzan Boy. He was doing field research and using his life experiences as fodder for the gay erotic novella he co-authored. It must be a hell of a way to make a living. At least he was honest enough to acknowledge his lack of talent made a primary author necessary.

FreebieFan

10-09-11, 03:40

he didn't actually say anything about this in his prepared speech that was delivered.

by all accounts he made the comment and included statistics when he was responding during the discussion that followed, and naturally enough, the journalists who were there jumped on it and reported it widely and ignored everything else that was said.

the whole thing would have died if everybody hadn't jumped on the wagon and kept repeating his comments, and i include isg people in that. now sex tourism is once again a major topic for conversation and that cannot possibly be a good thing.

it can only be a negative for monger activity as more attention will now be given to unaccompanied males visiting the phils and an effort made to find out where they go and what they do. don't underestimate the influence that the us government has in this country through the power of the foreign aid given here. the phils government cannot afford to have any reduction in the level of us aid and they will be very worried by the impending cuts that the usa is foreshadowing in its foreign aid budgets. they will want to be seen to be cooperating in any research in this area.rk you are totally correct of course in seeing the larger picture in this. however on a macro level all diplomats are told that they should never ever comment on matters of sex / sex habits / sexual culture in host countries. its diplomacy 101. the fact that his apology is mentioned in uk daily telegraph and guardian, taipei times, south china morning post, irish times and presumably every other international newspaper of merit indicates that there are very clear reasons why ambassadors should never make such comments. the comments themselves attract unnecessary attention and diplomacy (as you know better than me) is the art of not attracting attention but doing things " diplomatically". his wings were clipped and for sure he will keep his comments about sex in the philippines to himself in the future.

Gangles

10-09-11, 03:54

For what it is worth, there are more prostitutes per head of population in Australia than there are in the Philippines.

My little town has a government approved and registered brothel.

I can get any kind of sex that I want, any day, any time. Just a phone call away.

There is almost a page every day in my local newspaper of prostitutes offering their services.

And the largest sex tour in the world is in Australia. It is the Gay and lesbian Mardi Gras, and it is supported by government.

I guess that the figures are similar for the US.

So before the goodie goodies fix up sex tourism in the Philippines, maybe they can fix the prostitution "problem" in their own countries first.

G

Frenzy3

10-09-11, 04:52

Good for you. I co-authored a book, and it acutally made me some money.

What language will you use? I assume it is not English when you write,"one day I write my book"How about I get to live in PI have pussy every day while you just dream about it. I never did read your gay book but you must proud. Who would waste the time writing a book when you can live in pussy heaven.

X Man

10-09-11, 11:03

But you said you were going to write a book. Don't change your mind just because you got a little teasing from the X Man.

How about I get to live in PI have pussy every day while you just dream about it. I never did read your gay book but you must proud. Who would waste the time writing a book when you can live in pussy heaven.

Fast Buck Artist

10-10-11, 08:59

For what it is worth, there are more prostitutes per head of population in Australia than there are in the Philippines.
And how exactly did they come up with that statistic, interviewed every filipina and asked her if she is a prostitute? :)
Prostitution is legal in Australia and illegal in Philippines, duh, of course there will be more prostis Reported where they are out in the open daylight

Red Kilt

10-10-11, 10:16

RK you are totally correct of course in seeing the larger picture in this. However on a macro level all diplomats are told that they should never ever comment on matters of sex / sex habits / sexual culture in host countries. Its Diplomacy 101. The fact that his apology is mentioned in UK Daily Telegraph and Guardian, Taipei Times, South China Morning Post, Irish Times and presumably every other international newspaper of merit indicates that there are very clear reasons why Ambassadors should never make such comments. The comments themselves attract unnecessary attention and diplomacy (as you know better than me) is the art of not attracting attention but doing things " diplomatically". His wings were clipped and for sure he will keep his comments about sex in the Philippines to himself in the future.Agreed FF and no question that his comment was not "diplomatic". He is now very aware of that.

However, I cannot help feeling that he will now do whatever he can, albeit quietly and out of sight, to vindicate his comments in some way (as most males when caught out and backed into a corner tend to do).

Whatever pressure he brings to bear and whatever support he gives to the Senators who are making noises about the scale of prostitution in this country, it cannot be a good thing for the mongers who rely on organised venues (like Burgos and AC for example) for their kicks.

For you and I who choose alternative pools and abhor both afore-mentioned places, absolutely nothing will change.

Red Kilt

10-10-11, 14:04

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However, I cannot help feeling that he will now do whatever he can, albeit quietly and out of sight, to vindicate his comments in some way (as most males when caught out and backed into a corner tend to do).I posted this link on the Manila thread but in the interests of sequencing it should be reposted here.

As I predicted in an earlier Post # 5127 in this thread yesterday, the focus is now squarely on the issue of Sex Tourism in the Philippines.

The Al Jazeera network has weighed in now with a full-blown 25 minute discussion on the issue on its "Inside Story" segment.

I saw it today on the ANC news channel today and found the following link on the Al Jazeera webpage for the full discussion.

http://english.aljazeera.net/program.858495767.html

Member #4351

10-10-11, 14:56

Dickhead

10-10-11, 16:22

"I guess that the figures are similar for the US."

Ummmm, no.

Fast Buck Artist

10-12-11, 08:02

I posted this link on the Manila thread but in the interests of sequencing it should be reposted here.

As I predicted in an earlier Post # 5127 in this thread yesterday, the focus is now squarely on the issue of Sex Tourism in the Philippines.

The Al Jazeera network has weighed in now with a full-blown 25 minute discussion on the issue on its "Inside Story" segment.

I saw it today on the ANC news channel today and found the following link on the Al Jazeera webpage for the full discussion.

http://english.aljazeera.net/program.858495767.htmlThis kind of publicity usually results in MORE sex tourists coming over. I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing, depends on your prospective. More sextourists means prices might rise, but that in turn will attract more girls to "the oldest profession".

Bloomberg

10-12-11, 11:14

This kind of publicity usually results in MORE sex tourists coming over. I am not sure if thats a good or bad thing, depends on your prospective. More sextourists means prices might rise, but that in turn will attract more girls to "the oldest profession".Excellent marketing by the US embassy. The Philippines should pay this guy more to stick his head out.

FreebieFan

10-13-11, 01:57

Excellent marketing by the US embassy. The Philippines should pay this guy more to stick his head out.Or his gut. Ooops.

FreebieFan

10-13-11, 05:24

Or when the retirement pay just can't buy a little action.

Let the "dog" jokes begin.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/06/florida_man_arrested_after_his.php

WestCoast1

10-13-11, 05:51

Or when the retirement pay just can't buy a little action.

Let the "dog" jokes begin.

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/06/florida_man_arrested_after_his.phpHahaha. Bulldog!

Frenzy3

10-13-11, 06:14

In cebu we have a club already called bulldog. Last time I was there they looked like they had hired the local dogs to work that bar. Hehehe

Soapy Smith

10-13-11, 10:34

The NGOs love it. Notice how they morph the subject into focusing on "slavery" and child prostitution, using the terms "used and exploited". It reminds me of the NGO organized raids on the nightclubs in Cebu searching for under-aged and trafficked girls and coming up empty handed. The sour faced guy in London who was pushing NGOs as a replacement for "faulty Philippine institutions" was using a teleprompter.The reporter and at least one of the "experts" interviewed in the story that RK linked did play very loosely with terminology, moving carelessly from "slavery" to child exploitation, to trafficking, "people being held against their will," and "dehumanization." Unfortunately, it's difficult for those of us on our side of the equation to be able to draw attention to the overblown aspects of the script--because in doing so we draw undesirable attention to our participation in the hobby. But it's also important not to throw all NGOs under the bus. In general, NGOs attract people who want to make a difference, and, like people everywhere, including on ISG, many of them end up buying into overly simplistic explanations of how things work in the world. And then some of them become passionate cheerleaders for these overly simplistic narratives. But I hold out some hope. I will try to attach a story here that showed up in The Economist last November that cites some very thoughtful observations from Human Rights Watch-to the effect that cracking down on "trafficking" both ignores the underlying causal dynamics (e.g., poverty) and often leads to police brutality against prostitutes and forcing sex work underground, where prostitutes are much more vulnerable. Human Rights Watch is, as I recall, an NGO.

Meanwhile, an article in the current Utne Reader cites a BBC poll that found "71% in favor of greater social acceptance" (of prostitution) and an online CNBC poll that "found 85 percent in favor of decriminalization." Maybe better days are coming.

Member #4351

10-13-11, 11:41

But it's also important not to throw all NGOs under the bus.I would prefer to throw them under their four wheel drive vehicles, after they leave a five star restaurant on their way to their 5 star hotel. A brief visit to Haiti will prove my point.

I would cynically postulate that they wouldn't want to end trafficking because it would end their salaries and 5 star lifestyle. But that's just MHO.

X Man

10-13-11, 14:58

Now that doesn't sound very nice D 33.

But it does bring back memories of Puerto o Prince. At the tender age of 18 it was revealed to me that my American poverty was actually not so bad at all, had my first good black lovin', and took a tour of a rum factory up on the hill.

I need a calendar and notes to know what I did last week and what I have to do in the coming week, but I remember so much of that trip some thirty years ago. X.

I would prefer to throw them under their four wheel drive vehicles, after they leave a five star restaurant on their way to their 5 star hotel. A brief visit to Haiti will prove my point.

I would cynically postulate that they wouldn't want to end trafficking because it would end their salaries and 5 star lifestyle. But that's just MHO.

Soapy Smith

10-14-11, 14:23

I would prefer to throw them under their four wheel drive vehicles, after they leave a five star restaurant on their way to their 5 star hotel. A brief visit to Haiti will prove my point. I would cynically postulate that they wouldn't want to end trafficking because it would end their salaries and 5 star lifestyle. But that's just MHO.David,

You make two good points: first, that NGO executive salaries—and the lifestyles they purchase-are often an irritant when displayed in the developing countries they propose to serve; second, that NGOs contributed to the mess in Haiti. I agree on both points, but both also need to be qualified.

Haiti has been characterized as NGOs and the UN run amok. The new Haitian president claims that the post-disaster philanthropic outpouring is all spent. It's not clear how he knows that, but we can take him at his word. It seems to me, however, that it's sort of a chicken-and-egg problem: no functional government, too many NGOs working with haphazard regard for each others' activities. Both are part of the problem, but which one is the 'cause' of the mess? Some are now insisting that the NGOs need to get out of the way and let government play the role it's supposed to play. Right! Just like it's been doing since the sugar plantation slaves revolted against the plantation owners in the late 18th Century. How's that worked out over the ensuing 200 plus years?

Regarding CEO salaries, I found one source, whose legitimacy I can't substantiate, reporting that the 'average' NGO CEO's salary is $97,000. Seems like a lot of money, but I'd be willing to bet that's a mean salary—calculated by dividing the sum of all salaries by the number of salaries. Mean salaries are notoriously skewed toward the few huge salaries at the top end. Median salary—the point at which 50% of salaries are larger and 50% are smaller—is most certainly less than $97K. In addition, the data for high end salaries are necessarily more reliable than for low end salaries, since the latter come from the odds and ends of little organizations operating on shoestring budgets, voluntary labor, and unreliable records.

Please consider the range of organizations that fall under the vague definition of nongovernmental organization. The World Bank characterizes NGOs as private organizations that pursue principally humanitarian or cooperative, rather than commercial, objectives, such as relieving suffering, alleviating poverty, protecting the environment, providing basic social services, or promoting community development—primarily in developing countries. They run the gamut from World Vision, ostensibly the largest international NGO ($1.03 billion annual revenues in their latest tax return), down to little community-based organizations with one or two feebly-paid, mostly voluntary, leaders. I have no particular truck with World Vision; they're a Christian organization and I've been an avowed agnostic for more than 40 years. But their annual report brochure claims that they delivered disaster relief for 80 international emergencies, developed clean water sources in Africa, provided thousands of small business loans, promoted HIV / AIDS prevention education, and provided 4 million child sponsorships. Their annual report brochure contains not a single whisper about [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) or sexual exploitation. And this is the biggest NGO in the world. They paid their CEO, Richard Stearns, $391K: a lot of money, but not when compared to for-profit corporations with similar revenues. Admittedly, if Richard Stearns came to Manila, he'd stay at Shangri-La in Makati or Ortigas, but his ostentatious comings and goings make him look like just another rich Kano to the few Filipinos who'd see him.

At the other end of the scale is the little community-based NGO I know in a municipality just outside metro Manila. It operates on a shoestring, with four poorly paid employees, trying to create disaster readiness for squatter communities built in the low-lying flood plains of two rivers. They also promote sustainable small-scale business and maintain a revolving micro-finance loan program. They live on small government grants and money infused from a couple of large international NGOs. Their CEO is becoming known as an expert on the impact of disasters on informal settlements, and he knows how to do community organizing, but he's seen as a threatening irritant to corrupt local politicians who regard the squatters as collateral damage that's unavoidable in their continued pursuit of public financial largesse. He is not our enemy, any more than Richard Stearns is.

So why this chocolate-hearted rant from Skip about NGOs? Because it matters what we do with our annoyance about the efforts of some to attack sex trafficking in the most simplistic and misguided fashion. Sex trafficking does exist in the Philippines, but the careless characterizations of some zealots make it appear that all sex for pay here is synonymous with exploited women and children. It matters how we respond to them.

Not all NGOs are the enemy; in fact, most are not. And even in an NGO like Human Rights Watch, there appears to be a growing awareness that the dynamics are more complicated than what's often conveyed in the popular press. Surely much of the anti-trafficking passion is fomented by a segment of feminists and by fundamentalist religious do-gooders. And then there are the many others who ride along on the wave of passionate rhetoric without really reflecting on its inconsistencies. There is also a mass of journalists who have had little incentive to think critically about the complex dynamics of sexuality, pay for play, and world poverty.

I will shut up now and let others offer their critique and suggestions, but I think that branding NGOs as the generic enemy is not a particularly helpful course of action.

X, even those of us for whom chocolate flows through our hearts and heads like to get a little flowing over the little head as well from time to time. You helped me bring back fond memories of my own first chocolate.

Red Kilt

10-14-11, 14:44

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I will shut up now and let others offer their critique and suggestions, but I think that branding NGOs as the generic enemy is not a particularly helpful course of action.Way too much eloquent analysis for a monger board Skip. You should send it to the Letters section of the NY Times.

It will go way over the head of 99. (something) % of readers here.

Cheers and see you soon, but let's talk about less serious things

Bloomberg

10-14-11, 15:24

Way too much eloquent analysis for a monger board Skip. You should send it to the Letters section of the NY Times.

It will go way over the head of 99. (something) % of readers here.

Cheers and see you soon, but let's talk about less serious thingsDid some work in the past for a NGO as a freelancer. Most of the people working for this organization were making long hours for little money, but were very happy with their job since they were convinced their actions were helping the world moving forward. However, the people who managed the finances of this NGO were a little bit different, they were having hard times raising funds and they were aware that as soon as the income dries up, the future of the NGO is at stake, Most NGO's can go bankrupt like any other organization.

The financial guy once told me at diner after a couple of drinks that they were competing with other NGO's for the same funds. To improve their position in line they were "pimping" data. Overdoing the data when it came to the problems and also overdoing the results of their efforts. Once there is a cake to be shared, people will be fighting for it. Compare the brochures and websites of NGO's active in the same area. A lot of them are attributing the same success to their efforts.

In my opinion, NGO's are overall doing a nice job. Of course, there are some people taking advantage of them. Sleeping in a hotel where the rate is equivalent to the budget of the local organization does not feel very nice if you are working there or are sponsoring the club.

But OK, let's go back to pussy business. For me so far, girls in the Philippines are top of the bill when it comes to a real GFE. I moved around the world quite a bit but so far never experienced "dating" like here in the Philippines, actually I am seriously considering moving here for at least 6 months of the year. If any NGO is still looking for a CEO who is willing to do some field work himself, let me know!

Soapy Smith

10-14-11, 15:58

You should send it to the Letters section of the NY Times.Not imaginative enough to know how to do that without exposing my naughty hobby.

GoodEnough

10-15-11, 02:57

Nicely done Skip. I think the portrayal of NGOs as "the enemy" is as simplistic (and inaccurate) as most of the pontificating typically appearing in the press regarding human trafficing. The fact is that trafficing covers a huge range of deplorable human activity, with root causes that are far too complex, and too interactive to permit simplistic explanations or solutions. Further, as you so eloquently point out, not all-and probably not even most-sex workers are victims of trafficing. However, with those caveats in mind, it does appear to me that those whose shrill voices are most often raised about the subject seem obsessed with attacking the symptoms, rather than the etiology of the disase. In the Philippines, the major causes of trafficing in most spheres; sex workers, child laborers, child soliders, for example, is overwhelming poverty, government indifference to expanding economic opportunities, a wretched education system, and pervasive government corruption coupled with weak, ineffective institutions run by poorly trained people. Unless and until these conditions-which interact with each other-are alleviated, the problem will persist no matter how many bars are raided, and no matter how many factories are shut down.

Attacking causess rather than symptoms however, is a long, difficult job that requires political will, focus and commitment. It doesn't garner flashy headlines or snippets of broadcast time and it's not glamorous or made for television. It will not happen here in the near future. Sound bites overlaid against footage of heavily armed police battering down the doors of some bar in Angeles or Manila are much easier, and the fact that such actions have zero impact on the problem is irrelevant to the self-serving poliiticians who underwrite such made-for-televesion dramas. It's important to remember that this is a country in which form triumphs over substance every time. Finally, let's not forget that this is a country that survives on the kindness of strangers, whether via the jobs provided by foreign countries overseas allowing the Philippines to export 10% of its population, or though the grants, programs and loans provided by donors. There's lots of money around now to support anti-trafficing efforts, and if nothing else politicians here are experts in capturing whatever funds are available at the moment. If trafficing is the flavor du jour, then the politicians here will become avid anti-trafficing proponents until the next big thing somes along.

GE

Nvslim

10-15-11, 09:48

you make two good points: first, that ngo executive salaries—and the lifestyles they purchase-are often an irritant when displayed in the developing countries they propose to serve.looked this up online:

[quote=http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_charities_salaries.htm]

the worst offender was yet again for the 11th year in a row is, unicef. ceo, receives $1, 200, 000 per year, (plus use of a royal royce for his exclusive use where ever he goes, and an expense account that is rumored to be well over $150, 000.) only pennies from the actual donations goes to the unicef cause (less than $0. 14 per dollar of income).

the second worst offender this year is marsha j. evans, president and ceo of the american red cross. for her salary for the year ending in 2009 was $651, 957 plus expenses. enjoys 6 weeks. fully paid holidays including all related expenses during the holiday trip for her and her husband and kids. including 100% fully paid health & dental plan for her and her family, for life. this means out of every dollar they bring in, about $0. 39 goes to related charity causes.

the third worst offender was again for the 7th time was, brian gallagher, president of the united way receives a $375, 000 base salary (usa funds) , plus so many numerous expense benefits it's hard to keep track as to what it is all worth, including a fully paid lifetime membership for 2 golf courses (1 in canada, and 1 in the usa) .2 luxury vehicles, a yacht club membership. 3 major company gold credit cards for his personal expenses. and so on. this equates to about $0. 51 per dollar of income goes to charity causes.

fourth worst offender who was also again in the fourth spot, for every year since this information has been made available from the start 1998 is amazingly yet again, world vision president (canada) receives $300, 000 base salary, (plus supplied. a home valued in the $700, 000. $800, 000 dollar value range, completely furnished, completely paid all housing expenses, including taxes, water / sewer, telephone / fax, hd / high speed cable, weekly maid service and pool / yard maintenance, fully paid private schooling for his children, upscale automobile and an $55, 000 personal expense account for clothing / food, with a $125, 000 business expense account). get this, because it is a "religious based" charity, it pays, little to no taxes, can receive government assistance and does not have to declare were the money goes. only about $0. 52 of earned income per dollar is available for charity causes.

of the sixty some odd "charities" we looked at, the lowest paid (president / c. e. o / commissioner) was heading up a charity group right here in canada. we found, believe it or not, it was.

the salvation army's commissioner todd bassett receives a salary of only $13, 000 per year (plus housing) for managing this $2 billion dollar organization. which means about $0. 93 per dollar earned, is readily available and goes back out to local charity causes. truly amazing. and well done "sally anne"
[quote]

makes you wonder why so many give to charities.

slim

Gangles

10-15-11, 17:46

In all of the froth and bubbles created about trafficking, there is one very big taboo about the subject.

Arab slavery and islamic slavery.

A simple Google search will get you started.

It is still going on today, Africans taken as slaves by Arabs, and sold as chattels.

However much the NGO's waffle about stopping the trafficking business, none of them will even talk about this cruel trade.

Shame.

G

Danibbler

10-15-11, 23:54

did you even bother reading the entire article that you linked to? the information that you quoted is bogus.

makes me wonder about the reading comprehension of some people on here.

looked this up online:

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_charities_salaries.htm[/url]]

the worst offender was yet again for the 11th year in a row is, unicef. ceo, receives $1, 200, 000 per year, (plus use of a royal royce for his exclusive use where ever he goes, and an expense account that is rumored to be well over $150, 000.) only pennies from the actual donations goes to the unicef cause (less than $0. 14 per dollar of income).

the second worst offender this year is marsha j. evans, president and ceo of the american red cross. for her salary for the year ending in 2009 was $651, 957 plus expenses. enjoys 6 weeks. fully paid holidays including all related expenses during the holiday trip for her and her husband and kids. including 100% fully paid health & dental plan for her and her family, for life. this means out of every dollar they bring in, about $0. 39 goes to related charity causes.

the third worst offender was again for the 7th time was, brian gallagher, president of the united way receives a $375, 000 base salary (usa funds) , plus so many numerous expense benefits it's hard to keep track as to what it is all worth, including a fully paid lifetime membership for 2 golf courses (1 in canada, and 1 in the usa).2 luxury vehicles, a yacht club membership. 3 major company gold credit cards for his personal expenses. and so on. this equates to about $0. 51 per dollar of income goes to charity causes.

fourth worst offender who was also again in the fourth spot, for every year since this information has been made available from the start 1998 is amazingly yet again, world vision president (canada) receives $300, 000 base salary, (plus supplied. a home valued in the $700, 000. $800, 000 dollar value range, completely furnished, completely paid all housing expenses, including taxes, water / sewer, telephone / fax, hd / high speed cable, weekly maid service and pool / yard maintenance, fully paid private schooling for his children, upscale automobile and an $55, 000 personal expense account for clothing / food, with a $125, 000 business expense account). get this, because it is a "religious based" charity, it pays, little to no taxes, can receive government assistance and does not have to declare were the money goes. only about $0. 52 of earned income per dollar is available for charity causes.

of the sixty some odd "charities" we looked at, the lowest paid (president / c. e. o / commissioner) was heading up a charity group right here in canada. we found, believe it or not, it was.

the salvation army's commissioner todd bassett receives a salary of only $13, 000 per year (plus housing) for managing this $2 billion dollar organization. which means about $0. 93 per dollar earned, is readily available and goes back out to local charity causes. truly amazing. and well done "sally anne"makes you wonder why so many give to charities.

slim

Soapy Smith

10-16-11, 02:19

Dan's point is correct. This story was being reported as an urban legend that has been around for five or six years. Many of the names are incorrect, as are the salary amounts. Snopes. Com confirms the inaccuracy of the information and adds a little more detail about the charities involved:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/charities.asp

I cannot for the life of me understand why somebody would create such a myth in the first place. The mentality is sort of like pulling a fire alarm when there's no fire, except that most false fire alarms get resolved fairly quickly. These things stick around to do harm for years.

Rule of thumb for potential urban legends on the internet: if a story sounds too incredible, it probably isn't true. Check snopes or one of the other urban legend busting sites before you pass it on to others.

Fast Buck Artist

10-16-11, 04:40

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/charities.asp

Rule of thumb for potential urban legends on the internet: if a story sounds too incredible, it probably isn't true. Check snopes or one of the other urban legend busting sites before you pass it on to others.OK, so according to this Snopes, the american red cross ceo gets 500K instead of 650K as claimed by Charity Navigator. Is this a really important difference? The point is that the managers of these organisations are running them as a for-profit business (and should be Taxed and Advertised accordingly! Thats the point). In the Philippines I observed the same type of behaviour as David is reporting from Haiti. After the floods a group of 20 american charitymen jetted in to the 5 star hotel I was staying at, and were enjoying a posh lunch downstairs while chatting about their fully-paid international travels. They flew in about 5 days after the actual flood. Now what do you think the "efficiency" is for these gentlemens sponsors? The charity probably counts every dollar spent by these guys as a dollar gone to the charity cause. But is it?

Some of this money trickles down no doubt, even if all they did was pork out on 50 dollar steaks and 100 dollar hookers, the guy cooking the steak could have a nephew affected by the flood, or the hooker might be coming from Marikina and needs a room to stay overnight.

I have also encountered some genuinely non-profit charities, where about 80% goes to a good cause, you have to know who runs the operation and how before writing them a check.

Red Kilt

10-16-11, 08:07

Econo Tech

10-16-11, 09:16

It is still going on today, Africans taken as slaves by Arabs, and sold as chattels.You forgot to say what happens to most of the children: they are used as jockeys in Camel racing, and it is common to see one or two child die during the races.

Oh, does such a thing happen? If you believe the mainstream media, even the kidnapping and forced slavery of Eastern Europeans too don't happen.

Nvslim

10-16-11, 12:50

Soapy Smith

10-16-11, 20:25

I have also encountered some genuinely non-profit charities, where about 80% goes to a good cause, you have to know who runs the operation and how before writing them a check.I agree with this point, and fortunately there are numerous mechanisms that give transparency to the nonprofit sector (at least in the USA) , including Charity Navigator (itself a nonprofit organization) , Forbes, and most state governments, who prepare reports on individual charities regarding the proportions of revenues that go to program services, overhead, and fund raising, respectively. Sign up for a free membership in Guidestar (also a nonprofit) , and you can retrieve the annual tax returns of any USA nonprofit with more than 25K in revenues. For all the warts and occasional extravagance among nonprofit execs, I would challenge you to find a parallel set of mechanisms that provide this kind of transparency to average Americans about Exxon-Mobil, GM, or any of the major Wall Street banks, yet we're bombarded from them with incessant advertising aimed to make you believe that clean energy, low-pollution cars, and financial stability for the world economy are their number one priorities. Virtually nobody challenges them on these claims.

Both Charity Navigator and Forbes gave high efficiency scores to the organizations highlighted in the urban legend. I too wish that highly skilled and experienced leaders would voluntarily step forward to lead these organizations on minimal salaries, but why should they? The American National Red Cross had revenues of nearly $3. 6 billion in their most recent tax return. How much do you think an American $3. 6B for-profit firm pays in executive salaries?

This has gotten rather far afield from the original question of the role of NGOs in the human sex trafficking debate. FBA, if you pm me I'd be glad to carry on the discussion in pm where it won't distract others.

GoodEnough

10-16-11, 23:59

Check out this rather heart-warming story about a strategy to teach Mindanao indigenous people about health, and particularly contraception.

I think it might help those guys who persist in calling filipinas "stupid" and uneducated. I prefer to accept that they have simply not been given the opportunities that we have been given.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/76889/tree-bark-brew-sleeping-with-daughters-other-

%E2%80%98safe-sex%E2%80%99-tips-on-ride-to-good-healthThanks for posting this RK. Keeping poor people in perpetual ignorance about reproductive health and contraception seems to be in the interest of the catholic church, whose influence is directly proportional to the number of poor, ignorant people whose behavior (and voting patterns) it can control. I believe it's one of the most corrpt institutions in the country and so blatantly hypocritical in its alleged concern for the poor that I'm surprised it hasn't been written about more. Conrad de Quiros, the wonderful left wing columnist from the Inquirer does occasionally take this as the subject of a column but he's about the only one I know of who does.

GE

Jambo

10-17-11, 05:01

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-13/what-i-learned-about-migrant-sex-workers-by-being-one-part-1-parrenas.html

From Bloomberg News.

"the number of Filipina hostesses employed as contract workers in Japan fell 90 percent, from 82, 741 in 2004 to 8, 607 in 2006. I argue it poses a setback to the emancipation of women. It has stripped thousands of migrant women of their livelihood, forcing them to stay at home, often in impoverished conditions."

FreebieFan

10-17-11, 05:21

Thanks for posting this RK. Keeping poor people in perpetual ignorance about reproductive health and contraception seems to be in the interest of the catholic church, whose influence is directly proportional to the number of poor, ignorant people whose behavior (and voting patterns) it can control. I believe it's one of the most corrpt institutions in the country and so blatantly hypocritical in its alleged concern for the poor that I'm surprised it hasn't been written about more. Conrad de Quiros, the wonderful left wing columnist from the Inquirer does occasionally take this as the subject of a column but he's about the only one I know of who does.

GEI wholeheartedly agree with you. Totally right. The other thing is the Catholic Church is an incredibly rich organisation in the Philippines with large real estate holdings. However it permananently pleads poverty saying it has no money. And this is true, as all the income it generates in Phlippines is repatriated to Rome. Where presumably it goes to pay off the numerous court cases that the Catholic church is currently involved in.

WestCoast1

10-17-11, 06:00

Soapy Smith

10-17-11, 16:55

[QUOTE=Jambo; 1207203"the number of Filipina hostesses employed as contract workers in Japan fell 90 percent, from 82, 741 in 2004 to 8, 607 in 2006. I argue it poses a setback to the emancipation of women. It has stripped thousands of migrant women of their livelihood, forcing them to stay at home, often in impoverished conditions."[/QUOTE]

Yes, a nice find Jambo. It's obvious the author has been studying these dynamics for many years, and much of her work is focused specifically on Filipinas. Her university website depicts her as a "feminist." This suggests it's important to dig beneath the surface of labels. I'm actually kind of inspired by her work. So what does it take to inject critical thinking like this into the trafficking hoopla? Here's a link to her university website. Check out her "Curriculum Vitae."

http://dornsife.usc.edu/cf/soci/soci_faculty_display.cfm?Person_ID=1032936

Dickhead

10-17-11, 19:59

Interesting CV but more importantly she looks like she would be a pretty good fuck.

WestCoast1

10-18-11, 13:03

Soapy Smith

10-18-11, 14:25

Interesting CV but more importantly she looks like she would be a pretty good fuck.My thought as well, but I thought I'd leave her photo as a little hidden surprise for you. I guess it worked.

Member #4351

10-18-11, 23:40

I'm sure she would be thrilled to know that her personal charms and amatory talents are being discussed on ISG.

Soapy Smith

10-19-11, 03:26

I'm sure she would be thrilled to know that her personal charms and amatory talents are being discussed on ISG.David,

Picture yourself in a sharp debate about sex roles and sexism with a woman in some sterile professional setting. You disagree with the woman completely, and then somebody tells you she admitted after the fact that through her clenched teeth she found herself mentally undressing you and enjoyed the impression. Wouldn't you be flattered? So, assuming nobody on ISG would actually email this woman to tell her what we're saying about her, aren't we really complimenting her in acknowledging both her professional work and her attractiveness? Obviously she might be a cold, calculating ball-biter, but not all feminists are necessarily asexual misandrists.

Soapy Smith

10-19-11, 03:29

Nice research, SK. This is a quality woman with a remarkable mind and the credentials to prove it. I'd love to see what she's like between the sheets. .I'm surprised you'd say that on the basis of a head shot alone.

Member #4351

10-19-11, 09:25

not all feminists are necessarily asexual misandrists.I was thinking that she might actually be flattered in a twisted sort of way.

Socker

10-19-11, 19:23

I am posting this because some people need to be exposed.

Here she goes.

LoveAsian*s

Senior Member.

Reports.

287.

LoveAsian*s.

Re: go back into your hole and stay there.

Originally Posted by Socker.

Originally Posted by LoveAsian*s.

I curse your whole family and hope they all die a horrible death. If I ever come across a female member of your family, I will surely teach her some manners with my cock in her hole. You are disgusting piece of shit, and your mother must be a filthy * to give birth to someone as cursed as yourself.

Go fuck your mother.

My response to the above.

I tried to be nice to you in the past and for some inexplicable reason you keep your fuck-up insulting handle. Everytime you post you insult all the working ladies of Asia. That is why you make me sick, because I respect them and you call them *s. YouR reply to me shows your deep sickness. YOU ARE SICK, GET SOME HELP. OK.

His last response (yesterday) after I posted his threats and sick rant.

It's called sarcasm. You are too stupid to understand the concept. You are a fucking moron.

(I mistakenly posted the pm exchange w / wacko in the Photo Galery). I will finish up here.

To Wacko, You've done very nicely for yourself, thank you. Oh and when you get to be 12 yrs old, maybe things will get better. Good Riddance

DriveAllNight

10-19-11, 19:37

Drove past a Jollibee yesterday, right here in California. Had no idea the chain existed outside Phils, but 3pm and the place was packed.

I became mildly turgid.

Andre007

10-19-11, 21:36

Drove past a Jollibee yesterday, right here in California. Had no idea the chain existed outside Phils, but 3pm and the place was packed.

I became mildly turgid.There are many in California. I seen on in Eagle Rock Plaza in Glendale California last time I visited. Check out there website. You will be surprised.

FreebieFan

10-20-11, 04:46

There are many in California. I seen on in Eagle Rock Plaza in Glendale California last time I visited. Check out there website. You will be surprised.Hong Kong has one too.

WestCoast1

10-20-11, 05:22

Drove past a Jollibee yesterday, right here in California. Had no idea the chain existed outside Phils, but 3pm and the place was packed.

I became mildly turgid.Jolli has been in Los Angeles for at least a year. Love the spaghetti.

Fast Eddie 48

10-20-11, 06:55

Hong Kong has one too.To Freebie fan

I didn't know HK have one the one in Shenzhen last only 3 month closed down 2 yr ago cannot complete with KFC in China, there are 5 in San francisco CALIF area doing well but price are expensive vs Manila,

Fast Eddie 48

Cunning Stunt

10-20-11, 10:22

Hong Kong has one too.There are also branches in Saudi, Qatar and Brunei. I think that I detect some kind of a pattern here but I don't understand the need for Vietnam offshoots of the ghastly orange spagbog machine!

Finrod

10-21-11, 21:22

Jolli has been in Los Angeles for at least a year. Love the spaghetti.Jollibee's has been in the Los Angeles area at least 4 years now.

Truly scary sight if you live around LA: go check out the Eagle Rock Plaza sometime. Closest thing to a Filipino mall stateside. You will find not only Jollibee's, but also Chow King and Goldielocks. Not to mention LBC, M. Lhuillier, Fil-mart and Seafood City.

Buko Max

10-22-11, 13:05

Jollibee's has been in the Los Angeles area at least 4 years now.There is also a sizable Filipino community in Vegas where you will also fine a couple of stores. Taking the American concept of fast food and 'flipping the script' with 'spam' on the menu! :eek:

Fast Eddie 48

10-24-11, 03:44

Member #4698

10-24-11, 06:21

The NAIA airport in Manila are rank number one worst big city Int'l airport in the World, worst in security and facility need alot of improvement.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/15661/naia-1-is-rated-worlds-worst-airport

Fast Eddie 48Interesting read. It is amazing how bad air travel is these days. The article includes the "Worst 10: Besides NAIA #1, the following made it to the 10 worst airports in the world: Paris Beauvais in France, Keflavik International Airport in Iceland, Bergamo-Orio al Serio Airport in Italy, Kiev International Airport in Ukraine, Frankfurt-Hahn Airport in Germany, London Luton Airport in the United Kingdom, Pisa Airport in Italy, Paris CDG Airport in France and Los Angeles International Airport in the United States."

In my opinion NAIA is not the worst. Far from it, but then I have only used Terminal 2 and 3. LAX is pretty horrible, and I hate arriving in BKK because the customs lines are a nightmare, but the worst Airport that I have personally experienced is MIA. What a friggin' zoo. The lines (both airline arrival counters and security) are impossible. Count on it taking an hour to get through security. And as if to add insult upon misery; English can only be considered a second language not fluently spoken by a sizeable minority of airport workers. MIA is really an airport you hate using. I tell all my friends that live outside the state of Florida to fly into West Palm Beach airport instead when they come to visit me. On the last 3 trips to Asia, I booked flights out of West Palm to Newark then onto Hong Kong. West Palm is civilized. The difference is unbelievable.

Now let's talk about the worst airlines. On the other hand, let's not.

Bob Bowie

10-24-11, 08:09

In the departure area of Cebu they had a television turned on all of the time to one of those National Geographic or Geo channels. On the TV they were playing a show on plane crashes, I could not believe it.

The next time I flew out of Cebu they had another show on about plane crashes, I guess no one complained.

Marconista

10-24-11, 10:23

Actually. Naia, Terminal 1 is voted the worst airport to "sleep over" at.

The NAIA airport in Manila are rank number one worst big city Int'l airport in the World, worst in security and facility need alot of improvement.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/15661/naia-1-is-rated-worlds-worst-airport

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48

10-24-11, 22:55

Interesting read. It is amazing how bad air travel is these days. The article includes the "Worst 10: Besides NAIA #1, the following made it to the 10 worst airports in the world: Paris Beauvais in France, Keflavik International Airport in Iceland, Bergamo-Orio al Serio Airport in Italy, Kiev International Airport in Ukraine, Frankfurt-Hahn Airport in Germany, London Luton Airport in the United Kingdom, Pisa Airport in Italy, Paris CDG Airport in France and Los Angeles International Airport in the United States."

In my opinion NAIA is not the worst. Far from it, but then I have only used Terminal 2 and 3. LAX is pretty horrible, and I hate arriving in BKK because the customs lines are a nightmare, but the worst Airport that I have personally experienced is MIA. What a friggin' zoo. The lines (both airline arrival counters and security) are impossible. Count on it taking an hour to get through security. And as if to add insult upon misery; English can only be considered a second language not fluently spoken by a sizeable minority of airport workers. MIA is really an airport you hate using. I tell all my friends that live outside the state of Florida to fly into West Palm Beach airport instead when they come to visit me. On the last 3 trips to Asia, I booked flights out of West Palm to Newark then onto Hong Kong. West Palm is civilized. The difference is unbelievable.

Now let's talk about the worst airlines. On the other hand, let's not.To Natty

YES LAX is getting old also need many upgrade, the best airport in the world is HKIA, changi Singapore and S korea Icheon, for worst large int'l airline I think the Philippines airline have to be right up there also take it once never again.

Fast Eddie 48

FreebieFan

10-25-11, 09:15

To Natty

YES LAX is getting old also need many upgrade, the best airport in the world is HKIA, changi Singapore and S korea Icheon, for worst large int'l airline I think the Philippines airline have to be right up there also take it once never again.

Fast Eddie 48Even if the rating was for" worst airport for sleeping in " the old NAIA is still very dire. The new one for Cebu pacific is a design disaster. Thecheck in counter are all normal however

1. We pay P750. No one can say whats its for other than "airport use ".

2. There are on plastic bins for shoes belts etc. I always ask why they have in Bangladesh but not in Manila. Sepcially as there was the aforementioned charge of P 750. Theres never an answer for same.

3. The range of restaurants is sooo bad. Everywhere sells cheap over sweet crap. I've been in them all.

4. The announcement are deafening.

5. The moving walkways never move. Doesn't matter whether its 4pm or 4am they are all turned off.

I could carry on but I'm just pleased when its wheels up. Maybe I'm spoilt in good airports like HK Singapore KL but all manila airports are realllllllly poor!

Just yesterday I see the immigration guy turning round to check out the ass of the girl whos passport he had just stamped then gave me a wink wink sort of conspiring look. Sad sad sad.

Econo Tech

10-25-11, 11:19

In my opinion NAIA is not the worst. Far from it, but then I have only used Terminal 2 and 3.If you haven't been to T1, you dunno what you are missing.

Last week my GF came by T1, at 11. 30 PM, no money changer (all gone home for the day) and no load service.

Well, it doesn't matter, after all, PR and Cebu Pac have taken over the New T2 and T3 and let the foreign airlines look ugly in T1.

Maybe it is the plan of Phil Govt for tourists using anything other than PR and Cebu pac to see the dirty side, the others, to see the nice and squeeky clean T2 / T3 LOL

Member #4698

10-25-11, 14:06

1. Paro, Bhutan. "A320 VMC only approach / landing. Runway is over 7K ABOVE GROUND LEVEL in mountains. Fly over runway@4K and spiral down into a valley to fly over the river back toward the runway which can't be seen until short final. Runway is about 30 degrees offset from the valley and abuts a hill which must be avoided with a banking turn until over the threshold. Short runway with hard braking, then one of those 180 degree turns on the runway hoping the main-mounts won't sink into the fringe."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZqN-uEgQU&feature=youtu.be

(Paste the link above to check out this video. I think you guys will like it.)

2. Sabu. A small beautiful island in the Caribbean. Arrival or departure from the Sabu airport is better than any amusement ride you will ever take.

3. The old Hong Kong Airport. I only flew into this airport once back in '89. The planes had to come in right over the rooftops of apartment buildings that surrounded the airport. The distance between the plane and the roof tops left no room for error. Words can't describe it. I will never forget it.

Member #4698

10-25-11, 15:27

Fr worst large int'l airline I think the Philippines airline have to be right up there also take it once never again.Fast Eddie 48American Airlines gets my vote for the worst airline in the world. I had some miles accumulate over time with these guys. I used to fly with them to South America. Then one day I received an email that stated I had to buy something from their website or I would forfeit my miles. What BS. But the worst insult came about 5 years ago. I was in Peru with a friend when I received notice that my mom had died. I had several tickets with Taca Airlines to other cities in Peru and an international flight to Quito. I had a return ticket back to MIA with American. Taca gave my friend and I a full refund with no questions asked. American Airlines insisted on charging my friend and I $150 per ticket to change the date of our return flight to MIA. The plane was only 65% occupied.

Of course they were willing to give me a credit for the $150 fee once I provided them with a death certificate later on. My friend was not entitled to this credit. My reaction was fuck you! I will never fly your BS airline again.

But the point of my long story is; I always seem to receive better service from the smaller local outfits than the older established mainline companies. Taca, Lacsa, Lan are all much nicer to fly to SA than the big boys. Similarly, I prefer Air Asia, Cebu Pacific, Bangkok Air over their larger competitors. The smaller upstarts have better pricing and always seem to have prettier stewardess's too. That said, I will be flying Thai Airlines from Manila to BKK soon. For some reason they were offering a great price for the one way ticket so I jumped on the deal. The Cebu Pacific flight time was too late at night.

Fast Eddie 48

10-25-11, 23:13

If you haven't been to T1, you dunno what you are missing.

Last week my GF came by T1, at 11. 30 PM, no money changer (all gone home for the day) and no load service.

Well, it doesn't matter, after all, PR and Cebu Pac have taken over the New T2 and T3 and let the foreign airlines look ugly in T1.

Maybe it is the plan of Phil Govt for tourists using anything other than PR and Cebu pac to see the dirty side, the others, to see the nice and squeeky clean T2 / T3 LOLTo Econo tech.

I think you will figure the Phil government care about the image of their own country spend some peso to do some improvement on T1 for the international visiter don't make any sense the domestic terminal have better facilities.

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48

10-25-11, 23:21

American Airlines gets my vote for the worst airline in the world. I had some miles accumulateTo Natty,

I don't think AA is that bad other than alot of delay flight time for US airline Jet blue is worst, I fly to south america from US about 3 time a yr for buinsess with American air line they have the most flight and connections transfer in Miami and I alway transfer by mileage to Cathay pacific so I use my bonus mile fly to HK, Manila or Bangkok.

Fast Eddie 48

Fast Eddie 48

10-26-11, 00:25

1. Paro, Bhutan."A320 VMC only approach / landing. Runway is over 7K ABOVE GROUND LEVEL inTo Natty,

What the hell are you doing in Bhutan is mongering any good there that is a small airport in the Mountain only handle small plane and only a few flight a day didn't even made the top 10 most danger airport in the world, the old Hk Kai Tai is danger but amazingly very few accident in many yr history there, I grow up in HK and the people there live with having plane fly over their head every day for so long.

Fast Eddie 48

Econo Tech

10-26-11, 05:39

To Econo tech.

I think you will figure the Phil government care about the image of their own country spend some peso to do some improvement on T1 for the international visiter don't make any sense the domestic terminal have better facilities.

Fast Eddie 48You miss the point. All International "AIRLINES" end up in T1, but, all PR / 5J only go to T2 / T3 respectively.T1 is exclusively for NON PR / 5J flights.

Sort of sod the international airlines, SQ / TG / AA and all. Let our local airlines use the better terminals for their flights.

WestCoast1

10-26-11, 07:13

Member #4698

10-26-11, 14:08

To Natty,

What the hell are you doing in Bhutan is mongering any good there that is a small airport in the Mountain only handle small plane and only a few flight a day didn't even made the top 10 most danger airport in the world, the old Hk Kai Tai is danger but amazingly very few accident in many yr history there, I grow up in HK and the people there live with having plane fly over their head every day for so long.

Fast Eddie 48Hi Fast Eddie,

I was doing some trekking in Bhutan. The scenery is spectacular and pristine. It's more beautiful in my opinion than Nepal with all its deforestation. I laughed when I read the words mongering and Bhutan in the same sentence. Although I guess you can get laid anywhere if you have a mind to. There is even a Bhutan thread here on the ISG. I like to trek in Peru and Bolivia too. In Lima and Santa Cruz you will find a decent mongering scene, but when you arrive in Huaras, for example, the last large town before one of my favorite trail heads; the availability and quality of girls gets pretty low.

So you are familiar with the old HK airport. Wasn't it amazing to land there? And yes, it is really remarkable that they had such a low accident history.

Dsinhou

10-26-11, 15:51

The normal course is to clear customs at the first US gateway. I assume you will clear in Hawaii

DriveAllNight

10-26-11, 16:47

FreebieFan

10-27-11, 02:04

Hi Fast Eddie,

So you are familiar with the old HK airport. Wasn't it amazing to land there? And yes, it is really remarkable that they had such a low accident history.Lived in HK for 10 years and flew in and out of Kai Tak 100 times plus.

Once or twice got to sit in the cockpit on landing, in the good old days when you could do such things without some muslim fanatic with semtex on his balls etc. Anyways, the runway was studded with some very cleverly placed light placements that worked day and night. The secret to landing in Kai Tak was for the pilot to ensure the lights were visible, ie not too high not too low, before the plan took a swing through the buildings of Kowloon. Once that was done he engaged auto pilot and most of the landings were done by in flight pc.

Was amazing to watch from a cockpit.

Fast Eddie 48

10-27-11, 21:57

Gents: Am flying Hawaiian Airlines, LA to Manila, thru Honolulu. On the return trip, will I go thru customs / immigration in hawaii, or at LAX? There is only 2. 5 hours between my connecting flights in honolulu.To West Coast

I was coming back from Tokoyo back to SFO thur Honolulu few yr ago being the first US point you need to clear custom, there are about 30 people clearing custom about half of us got our luggage search I am one of them it must of taking more than one hr 30 min very slow and we need to recheck in our luggage, the flight was waiting for us when we got to the gate about 30 min late taking off, I didn't have my luggage check the last 8 time coming back to SFO from China.

Fast Eddie 48

Robreefer

10-30-11, 07:00

So if you go reading the threads of eastern european countries, and ukraine, you will find guys boasting about rather high prices. $150-$250USD (and up) for ST. The gals are pretty, I'm sure. But that's more than girls are going for in my neck of the woods in the States. I think you can beat the pinay in many respects, but how many places can you find young honies to spend the night for $50? For as much as its easy to gripe about the corrupt. 3rd-world place that is pinas, viva la pinay!I am guessing that you have not traveled to the Ukraine. I just returned from Kiev where I was sleeping with supermodels every night. The girls in the PI don't hold candle to the girls in Ukraine. In fact, the girls in "your neck of the woods" don't. I am from San Diego where the women are gorgeous and they hardly compare to ladies in Kiev.

Kiev is great because you can hook up with non pros so easily, and the purchasing power of the dollar is still very strong in Ukraine. Many people speak English and if you are white you blend in with everyone else, significantly reducing the chances you will be targeted for street crime.

As for the pricing of girls it all varies. You can get a girl for $50 at an hour rate (she will be way hotter than any Pinay for sure) or a supermodel for $100 / hour (minimum 3 hours) it all depends on what you're looking for. Personally, I like to mix it up. Pros, semi-pros and Non-pro students. Add a couple high dollar supermodel girls and you will have yourself a good trip.

X Man

10-30-11, 12:46

It sounds great, but the prices are rather high. In the end your tool is in the receptacle and the fireworks occur. I have to admit, it's been a long time since I've had a hot-looking big titty blonde. But if I spend the rest of my wretched life fkg skinny Asians, I will be quite satisfied. X.

I am guessing that you have not traveled to the Ukraine. I just returned from Kiev where I was sleeping with supermodels every night. The girls in the PI don't hold candle to the girls in Ukraine. In fact, the girls in "your neck of the woods" don't. I am from San Diego where the women are gorgeous and they hardly compare to ladies in Kiev.

Kiev is great because you can hook up with non pros so easily, and the purchasing power of the dollar is still very strong in Ukraine. Many people speak English and if you are white you blend in with everyone else, significantly reducing the chances you will be targeted for street crime.

As for the pricing of girls it all varies. You can get a girl for $50 at an hour rate (she will be way hotter than any Pinay for sure) or a supermodel for $100 / hour (minimum 3 hours) it all depends on what you're looking for. Personally, I like to mix it up. Pros, semi-pros and Non-pro students. Add a couple high dollar supermodel girls and you will have yourself a good trip.

WestCoast1

10-30-11, 16:03

I am guessing that you have not traveled to the Ukraine.Correct. I have friends married to Ukrainians, but I have never been.

I just returned from Kiev where I was sleeping with supermodels every night. The girls in the PI don't hold candle to the girls in Ukraine. In fact, the girls in "your neck of the woods" don't.Doubtful. See below.

I am from San Diego where the women are gorgeous and they hardly compare to ladies in Kiev.We are from a similar "neck of the woods" (see my handle). I doubt the women in Ukraine are necessarily prettier than here (large Russian community) and beautiful women. There are college girls here who need a boost on occasion, just like anywhere. I will PM you.

Kiev is great because you can hook up with non pros so easily, and the purchasing power of the dollar is still very strong in Ukraine. Many people speak English and if you are white you blend in with everyone else, significantly reducing the chances you will be targeted for street crime.Good point."Standing out" in asia is at times a good thing, and at times a bad thing. White buddy of mine married a Ukrainian girl. While there dating her, she joked that he 'looked' like mafioso. Sure enough, he got stopped on the street by police (Dniprovosk). Once his identity was established with his passport copy he was let go right there. He had his girl ask why he was stopped on the street, and the police said the exact same thing: "You look mafia." (translated thru his fiancee). He had previously experienced the same thing in St. Petersburg Russia once. Interesting how physical appearance can mix with culture, regardless of who and where you are.

As for the pricing of girls it all varies. You can get a girl for $50 at an hour rate or a supermodel for $100 / hour (minimum 3 hours) it all depends on what you're looking for. Personally, I like to mix it up. Pros, semi-pros and Non-pro students. Add a couple high dollar supermodel girls and you will have yourself a good trip.How are airline prices from the US westcoast? BTW, $50-$75 gets a girl all night in SE Asia.

(she will be way hotter than any Pinay for sure)Not sure how you come up with that. Slavics and asians, apples and oranges. Neither can be "way hotter".

Robreefer

10-30-11, 16:44

You're right, the hotness of a girl is completely subjective. However you must trust my judgement on the comparison to SoCAL girls. Don't get me wrong, they're great. I live in Pacific Beach in San Diego, a town that is nothing but 18-28 year old girls and they're all hot. But in Ukraine there are many more women, actually the highest average male / female ratio in the world (100 women to 84 men)

Cunning Stunt

10-30-11, 18:49

I am guessing that you have not traveled to the Ukraine. I just returned from Kiev where I was sleeping with supermodels every night.At those sort of prices, I wouldn't have done much sleeping! The latest mongering 'fashion' in UK is for Hungarian girls and I tried a couple while I was home recently. Beautiful, bouncing happy peasant girls with big tits and determined to satisfy, they were much better than Polish or Ukranian girls who I found a bit surly or sulky.

Slippery

10-31-11, 02:22

W20415

11-05-11, 10:57

I have a DR perscrition for viagra Can I bring them into the Phils?

Jambo

11-05-11, 13:34

WestCoast1

11-05-11, 14:36

Well crap, you can't send load with Chikka any more. Might as well not even use Chikka now, as the girl needs some load to reply, and they NEVER have load!

Sending a little load has been my "I'm serious" move in the past. Hmm

Anyone have any alternatives for sending some load? Or a way for a girl to send outbound txt from a phone free?

Well this thing called "Morbie" shows up first in Google for "send load to the Philippines".

100 credits for $5Www Dot aryty dot com, is an online service for loading pilipine sims. P115 will cost you about US $2. 70 (charged to your CC). I sent a p300 recently for $7. 50. A p1000 will cost you $25 (about the fair exchange rate?). Its an easier way to send a gal money than WU or MoneyGram, as there is very little transaction fee. She can sell her load or any part of it for cash.

Mr Enternational

11-05-11, 15:10

Jambo

11-05-11, 15:16

Ah thanks guys, I will check them both out. I am Finally getting back to the PI this Jan. This is my NO Shit Last winter in the US.

I am frustrated because I can't contact 2 honeys I like. One has TWIN sisters. Another has big ol' tits with a fairly trim waist. She hasn't been online in months. I suspect she is up in the "province" with her folks. Just the kind of girl I want. Poor and eager to please!

Frenzy3

11-05-11, 16:34

Www

Dot aryty dot com, is an online service for loading pilipine sims. P115 will cost you about US $2. 70 (charged to your CC). I sent a p300 recently for $7. 50. A p1000 will cost you $25 (about the fair exchange rate?). Its an easier way to send a gal money than WU or MoneyGram, as there is very little transaction fee. She can sell her load or any part of it for cash.I use that here too. Maybe I should setup a money sending biz here in Cebu we can also send you photos of the sick buffalo

Sammon

11-05-11, 17:02

I have a DR perscrition for viagra Can I bring them into the Phils?Except some major pharmacy chain you do not need any prescription for Viagra. Even if they refuse they will tell you where you can go to buy without one.

Another option is you can buy knock offs or generic versions. They are freely available. They work as well but adviced to buy 100 m. Gm tablets as strenghth in each tablet may not be what it says on the label.

Regular viagra is very expensive.

Sammon

11-05-11, 17:08

I use that here too. Maybe I should setup a money sending biz here in Cebu we can also send you photos of the sick buffaloI think you should try to start a business transfer business. Almost everybody including me is sending some money every month to the favourite keeper.

No money-no honey as they say.

Dollarwise it is cheap to keep a girl happy. Cheaper than P4P and paying for drinks at the bar as well. Besides you do not know what you get when P4P.

Money is the cause of sorrow and happiness whichever way you look at it.

Andre007

11-07-11, 00:33

Except some major pharmacy chain you do not need any prescription for Viagra. Even if they refuse they will tell you where you can go to buy without one.

Another option is you can buy knock offs or generic versions. They are freely available. They work as well but adviced to buy 100 m. Gm tablets as strenghth in each tablet may not be what it says on the label.

Regular viagra is very expensive.May I suggest using Chinese herbal medicine such as my favorite 'IMPEOUS MAN". I have used this for 4 years. It is natural and works like Cialis. It is Cheaper P600 for 10 pills and no side effects. I have thousands of friends and mongers who are walking around with Boners right now after using this product. I really suggest trying this as Viagra is about p800 for 1 pill with a prescription. I have tried the knock offs before although it was brought fro me. It did not work at all.

I do not own or have any stock in the product as you can find it in many of the Kiosk in Cebu and I know where to locate in Manila.

PM me for more information.

Andre007

11-07-11, 00:37

I have a DR perscrition for viagra Can I bring them into the Phils?I think you are asking can you bring the actual pills with you along with the prescription to verify you are allowed to have them. If that is correct the legal answer or technical answer is yes. I think as long as you have a prescription and you are not bringing more than the prescription allows. Now we are in a 3rd world country so sometimes people can change the rules to benefit themselves.

Andre007

11-07-11, 00:39

I use that here too. Maybe I should setup a money sending biz here in Cebu we can also send you photos of the sick buffaloHey Franzy can I be a partner because I see how it works many times. LOL

Paulr1950

11-07-11, 01:17

Rick Rock

11-07-11, 05:58

Just a quick question. Has anyone ever found a working girl in the Philippines that can take a good face fucking?

Bob Bowie

11-07-11, 09:46

Frenzy3

11-07-11, 10:31

Hey Franzy can I be a partner because I see how it works many times. LOLI am serious. What the cheapest fee the charge to send money $9, we could pay a guy php6000 give him a bike and digicam, tell the sponsor if we prove the girl a scam we keep the payment, a few photos of his girl with another guy or doing it with us. We would be rich no time. I think I could expose all the pina girls asking their absent bf for cash what they get up to when they are not here.

I live here and my gf's never worked in the bars and i do not trust them..

Member #4491

11-07-11, 13:57

Just a quick question. Has anyone ever found a working girl in the Philippines that can take a good face fucking?Yes, the gag queen in Cebu. PM me for details if you are heading there.

B.

Econo Tech

11-07-11, 16:13

I use this guy on ebay, for the last 2/3 yrs.Another reliable site is pa-load dot com

Works all the time. And not so much of a premium

Sammon

11-07-11, 17:22

May I suggest using Chinese herbal medicine such as my favorite 'IMPEOUS MAN". I have used this for 4 years. It is natural and works like Cialis. It is Cheaper P600 for 10 pills and no side effects. I have thousands of friends and mongers who are walking around with Boners right now after using this product. I really suggest trying this as Viagra is about p800 for 1 pill with a prescription. I have tried the knock offs before although it was brought fro me. It did not work at all.

I do not own or have any stock in the product as you can find it in many of the Kiosk in Cebu and I know where to locate in Manila.

PM me for more information.Do not use any Chinese herbal enhancement medicine. They are untested and may do more harm than good. Especially if you take daily to keep your boner.

Chinese medicine contain hidden dangers caused by ingredients that are not safe.

Viagra, cialis etc has been tested extensively and safe to take one a day long term.

JPF

11-07-11, 23:39

Do not use any Chinese herbal enhancement medicine. They are untested and may do more harm than good. Especially if you take daily to keep your boner.

Chinese medicine contain hidden dangers caused by ingredients that are not safe.You might end up with counterfeit Viagra, Cialis, etc. There is always some risk although I will grant that there is less with a sealed name brand drug from a big pharmacy.

I have used the Chinese substitutes and name brands bought off the street with no ill effects. I consider the risk to be low.

Asian Rain

11-12-11, 08:57

FreebieFan

11-12-11, 09:07

Does anybody have any pointers how to obtain a Philippines drivers license WITHOUT the requisite valid driver's license from your home country? My license expired some time back, so that is all I am missing from the required document set. I suppose there are fixers who can do anything. I just want to get one quick and easy. Any advice is much appreciated. AsianRainIf you have an expired Philippines licence then don't worry. Just go to LTO and you pay a fine. I knew someone who's licence was over 2 years expired and was easy to get new one. If oyu mean your overseas licence expired already. Different problem. But still go to LTO with expired one. Tell them new one is in post etc.

Or take the test? That should be an adventure.

Asian Rain

11-13-11, 13:09

Thanks FF. Much appreciated. It is my overseas license that ha expired long ago. Just going down to the LTO with my expired license with a plausible excuse sounds the best strategy. Worst case I get hit with a "local penalty". Will see how it goes and report accordingly. Thanks, AsianRain.

If you have an expired Philippines licence then don't worry. Just go to LTO and you pay a fine. I knew someone who's licence was over 2 years expired and was easy to get new one. If oyu mean your overseas licence expired already. Different problem. But still go to LTO with expired one. Tell them new one is in post etc.

Or take the test? That should be an adventure.

Shark San

11-13-11, 15:21

Does anybody have any pointers how to obtain a Philippines drivers license WITHOUT the requisite valid driver's license from your home country? My license expired some time back, so that is all I am missing from the required document set. I suppose there are fixers who can do anything. I just want to get one quick and easy. Any advice is much appreciated. AsianRainSo you DON'T have a PH license yet? And you want to get one with an expired foreign license. THAT'S that gist of your post.

Sorry, boss. Pointers? Fixers can't help. A DL from your home country will, or, as suggested previously, you can apply for a PH license and take the test. Easiest route IF you have PH residence. If not, they want to see your home country DL. Maybe, maybe, maybe you'll get lucky and they won't notice. Otherwise, unless you manage to "sweet talk" someone down at LTO, renew your DL back home. One out of the box option is an int'l DL. P. S. The test is just as easy as you might imagine.

FreebieFan

11-14-11, 01:43

Every now and again in chat we all come across some spelling "mistakes " that seem to have become the norm.

1."Honey can you get me a loptop". No where else in the world is this a word, but obviously one girl once said to another girl "ask him for a loptop" and this is now the word of choice.

2."Von voyage honey" Once upon a time a girl heard another saying bon voyage to her guy, and mispelt it, since then Von has replaced Bon for all my honeys.

3."can you get me some ferpume". This only really applies to girls north of manila who are renowned for mixing up "p" and "f" but it sure jolts the system when they mispell their mispronunciations.

No doubt readers have their own favourite too.

Econo Tech

11-14-11, 04:12

2."Von voyage honey" Once upon a time a girl heard another saying bon voyage to her guy, and mispelt it, since then Von has replaced Bon for all my honeys.No kidding. In Singapore, in a nearby Island, there is a resort called Celestial Resort, and no prize for guessing where the majority of the staff are from. When they have plastered "VON APETITE" in the menu card.

When I said it should be BON APETIT. I was told by the staff that in "AMERICAN ENGLISH" that's correct.

Fast Eddie 48

11-14-11, 07:44

So you DON'T have a PH license yet? And you want to get one with an expired foreign license. THAT'S that gist of your post.

Sorry, boss. Pointers? Fixers can't help. A DL from your home country will, or, as suggested previously, you can apply for a PH license and take the test. Easiest route IF you have PH residence. If not, they want to see your home country DL. Maybe, maybe, maybe you'll get lucky and they won't notice. Otherwise, unless you manage to "sweet talk" someone down at LTO, renew your DL back home. One out of the box option is an int'l DL. P. S. The test is just as easy as you might imagine.To Shark,

I got my International DL from CSAA auto club in the US just paid 20 USD for one yr, but in PI if you get stop by the police show them a 1000 peso bill that is just as good as a PI driver lic it work in China also and International DL is no good there.

Fast Eddie 48

FreebieFan

11-14-11, 10:21

Asian Rain

11-14-11, 17:09

Well noted SS. I have got the answer I needed from the LTO site (http://www.lto.gov.ph/Requirements/dls_faq.aspx). Despite my expired foreign license, I can convert to Philippines license. Just need to take the written and practical exams plus all the other normal requirements. Tedious but legal. Thanks, AR.

So you DON'T have a PH license yet? And you want to get one with an expired foreign license. THAT'S that gist of your post.

Sorry, boss. Pointers? Fixers can't help. A DL from your home country will, or, as suggested previously, you can apply for a PH license and take the test. Easiest route IF you have PH residence. If not, they want to see your home country DL. Maybe, maybe, maybe you'll get lucky and they won't notice. Otherwise, unless you manage to "sweet talk" someone down at LTO, renew your DL back home. One out of the box option is an int'l DL. P. S. The test is just as easy as you might imagine.

Questor55

11-14-11, 18:24

Regular visitors to the shores of Manila will know that girls have a love / hate realtionship with bikinis. The kind of girls that we like are happy as larry to receive a bikini and can't wait to get it on and model it etc. They, like us, know it won't be on for long.

There are other girls though, who become all proud and state " I never wear bikini, I'm conservative. I'm notl ike other girls etc".

Was in a chat with one such girl today. Stated outright didn't want and wouldn't wear bikini. I asked her instead if she would like bra and panties. She said yes and gave me her size. We agreed (she agreed and I readily led her on) that she would wear it and model it for me. No hint of conservativeness, just a big happy YES.

And the difference between modelling a bikini and modelling in bra and panties is what. A confusing day.Anytime we analyze why people in other cultures act so illogically, we are walking through mine fields. Every society does things just because that's the.

Way they do it. In the Philippines, attitudes are slowly changing. It's partly a 'province vs city' thing. Certainly a generational thing. Take a conservative girl.

To a resort where bikinis are commonplace and her inhibitions disappear. However, back at the beach barangay, any kind of bathing suit will be considered.

'**** wear'. Older women still only swim in their regular clothing with voluminous dresses swirling in the surf.

I once took a girl from a smaller city to an upscale Filipino resort. She reluctantly agreed to wear the bikini I had provided, but only ON TOP of her.

Bra and panties!

Slippery

11-14-11, 19:55

Cbea20

11-16-11, 03:57

A recent favorite. A college student is coming to visit me for the first time. I ask her the name of the ferry company, so I can meet it. I get the texted answer "Passcrap". I say, I don't think so. Maybe that's the name of the CR. Well it turns out she did not look for the name; she asked someone. The name is Fastcraft. F gets turned into P, and T as a second consonant is dropped. Now it's a joke between us, and I hope a lesson for her in getting reliable information.

Every now and again in chat we all come across some spelling "mistakes " that seem to have become the norm.

1."Honey can you get me a loptop". No where else in the world is this a word, but obviously one girl once said to another girl "ask him for a loptop" and this is now the word of choice.

2."Von voyage honey" Once upon a time a girl heard another saying bon voyage to her guy, and mispelt it, since then Von has replaced Bon for all my honeys.

3."can you get me some ferpume". This only really applies to girls north of manila who are renowned for mixing up "p" and "f" but it sure jolts the system when they mispell their mispronunciations.

No doubt readers have their own favourite too.

Econo Tech

11-16-11, 04:15

A recent favorite. . .Ah, one more.

I was told to help translate the request of a filipina, in a fruit staff in Singapore.

She was looking for a non-existent fruit. AP-OHHHHHHHHH-LE the pronunciation was so stiff, I took a while before figuring out that she wanted an APPLE

Ibn Buttita

11-19-11, 16:20

Earlier this month I made my second trip to the Philippines, following a visit in 2009. Over the course of 9 days I spent time in Manila (Ermita, Quezon City, Paranaque City) , Puerto Galera-Sabang on Mindoro, and Angeles City, getting together with 15 girls. Reports are posted in the appropriate forums.

I've returned with a one major life conclusion: Filipinas are my absolute favorite women in the world. In the case of most of the girls I encountered, though earning a living they didn't treat the interactions or the sex as a job. I received energetic or passionate involvement from just about all the girls I met, and the full girlfriend treatment from a couple of them. I suspect it's going to be a lifelong pursuit trying to re-live the experiences of this trip. Wish me luck!

Cunning Stunt

11-20-11, 04:10

I suspect it's going to be a lifelong pursuit trying to re-live the experiences of this trip. Wish me luck!Give up trying before you start. You can never match your cherry trip! Thanks for the great reports. You sure got about. Did you not bring a camera BTW?

BigDobbo

11-22-11, 17:44

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

WestCoast1

11-23-11, 22:49

Giving a little more because it is no big deal leads to the situation we see today in numerous countries where prices and doubled and doubled again. Please keep to the established prices and resist the temptation to be soft in the negotiations.

Bogota 2004 $8 US for an hour Now?

Pattaya 2004! 2 US for an hour now?

And so forth.From Cuba Tourist in the Caribbean / Curacao thread. Don't know if his prices were correct in those places at that time (2004) , but it should give all of us (even me) a pause to over-spend for the sake of expediency. A year ago I wrote a long article in the Jakarta thread about what guys were paying there. I made the point that while I was paying 300-350IDR there for ST, other guys I chatted with were paying 2x and 3x that much. Some paid it out of ignorance, and others just for expediency. Even I paid 400 at times out of expediency in a freelance place, just to cut the dickering time (girls were fairly happy to hear that offer). Its often just easier to give her a touch more than she's willing to work for (or several times that much) for the sake of getting a happy (on her part) quickie, and skip the negotiations. I think the guys who overpay from ignorance are just used to thinking in terms of their own experiences in their culture ("Hey I pay $400 for it at home. What's wrong with giving her $100 here?"). Its that kind of ignorance, or expediency, that slowly drives prices up.

On my last trip to Cebu, I started giving often times p700 or 1000, when I could have paid 500 or 600. Everyone was happy, including me. It's easy. But, as Cuba Tourist points out, a few years from now we will all be paying 1500, and I will have been partly to blame.

Unirii

11-24-11, 04:58

Econo Tech

11-24-11, 06:57

Any recommendations for a reputable private investigator that I can use to check up on a girl and make sure she's honest, who she says she is, etc?

Yes, I can use Google. I'm looking for an agency with a good track record and reputation.Well, if you need to 'investigate' her, then you shouldn't be bothering with her, says me LOL.

Anyway, sent you a PM.

Nightrider1

11-24-11, 15:39

Dickhead

11-24-11, 16:01

Any recommendations for a reputable private investigator that I can use to check up on a girl and make sure she's honest, who she says she is, etc?She isn't and she's not. That will be 5, 000 pesos, please.

Mr Giggity Goo

11-24-11, 21:57

She isn't and she's not. That will be 5, 000 pesos, please.LOL. Nice! You can learn a lot from a dickhead.

Questor55

11-25-11, 05:57

This notice was posted on the door of an internet cafe in general santos. I just had to walk in and ask the attendant where I might find the loose woman. As usual when a filipina does not understand what to answer back she just giggled. I would like to say I did locate one, but sad to say just normal filipinas looking for their ticket out.Nightrider, there was no shortage of women on the loose when I was last in Gensan. After all, that sign is advertising that they are still available. LOL

Kngdf5

11-25-11, 08:25

She isn't and she's not. That will be 5, 000 pesos, please.What a dickhead thing to say. Hilarious.

Bob Bowie

11-25-11, 12:20

Any recommendations for a reputable private investigator that I can use to check up on a girl and make sure she's honest, who she says she is, etc?

Yes, I can use Google. I'm looking for an agency with a good track record and reputation.Trust but verify. The Pinays are the best liars I ever met.

Also they are very naive (or at least pretend to be).

American women would never accept the bullshit stories that we tell
them when we are spending time with another Pinay.

Sammon

11-25-11, 13:46

Any recommendations for a reputable private investigator that I can use to check up on a girl and make sure she's honest, who she says she is, etc?

Yes, I can use Google. I'm looking for an agency with a good track record and reputation.My advice is do not try to use private investigator or anybody to find out what you want to find out. These women need as much privacy as you and I do.

Whatever they do is to survive in their perticular life situation. If you are interested in long time relationship which includes support and marriage you need to just trust the girl.

Once you decide you want to marry the girl stay in Phi long time or marry and get her into your country. Digging about past life has not done any good for anybody.

Just showing proof to the girl that she is lying is not galant. Meddle in her life only if you are going to marry her. Otherwise leave her alone.

Simian

12-02-11, 19:27

My advice is do not try to use private investigator or anybody to find out what you want to find out. These women need as much privacy as you and I do.

Whatever they do is to survive in their perticular life situation. If you are interested in long time relationship which includes support and marriage you need to just trust the girl.

Once you decide you want to marry the girl stay in Phi long time or marry and get her into your country. Digging about past life has not done any good for anybody.

Just showing proof to the girl that she is lying is not galant. Meddle in her life only if you are going to marry her. Otherwise leave her alone.What do you really need to know? That she is who she says she is? Then get a photocopy of her I'd and bring it to someone outside of her territory to have it checked. Would help if you could have it checked by a friend of a friend who is a cop. It is perfectly normal if you are going to hire a maid. You can get a photocopy of her I'd on the basis that you are going to get her a job, a visa for your home country or even an I'd for your building, if you are living in a condo.

But none of this really helps you. Finding out that she is who she says does not protect you from the girl developing a a gambling habit or otherwise bringing you grief. Better find one who is honest, has her own job or profession, is a good character, has no addictions etc. Find one who is interested in education or getting a skill and spend money on that rather than providing for the family (although you will have to do at least something for the family at some stage). Don't just leave her to sit at home. Women staying at home in rural Philippiines works in a way but in the western country she will just get lonely and the devil makes work for idle hands.

It is crazy difficult getting unmarried in PHILIPPINES, you might want to marry in another country that actually has a divorce law. Write up a legal prenup with a lawyer to limit the drain on your resources if it all goes to the bad.

Last, if you continue to monger, by all means go for it but keep it a secret. Never monger in her locality as she will lose face.

Fast Buck Artist

12-05-11, 23:34

dec 06, 2011 7:03am.

a search is under way for an australian man abducted from his home in the southern philippines.

several armed men abducted warren rodwell. 53, from his home in the seaside town of ipil on mindanao island, fleeing in speed boats, regional military spokesman lieutenant colonel randolph cabangbang said.

military and police forces are trying to rescue him, he said.

no one has claimed responsibility for the abduction.

but kidnappings for ransom, often targeting foreigners, occur frequently in parts of the southern philippines, where a muslim separatist rebellion has been going on for more than 40 years.

mr cabangbang said few other details about mr rodwell were immediately available, and a media officer at the australian embassy was unable to provide any information.

a website, which could not be immediately verified, advertised a shop run by warren rodwell and his filipina wife in ipil. it linked to other sites posting photos and writings from mr rodwell travelling around the world.

the al-qaeda-linked abu sayyaf is the most infamous of many muslim militant groups known to carry out such kidnappings in the south.

the abu sayyaf, which is believed to have only a few hundred armed followers, was blamed for the abduction of a filipina woman also in ipil in september.

the military rescued her two weeks later on the abu sayyaf's stronghold of basilan island, about three to five hours away by speed boat, during a gunfight in which one soldier died.

mr cabangbang said the military was not yet able to determine if the abu sayyaf was also behind yesterday's kidnapping.

"we are looking into the possibility that it may be the same group, but it's too early to say," he said.

the abu sayyaf was founded in 1990 with al-qaeda funding and has been blamed for the philippines' worst terrorist attacks, including a ferry bombing that killed more than 100 people in 2004, as well as the beheadings of foreigners.

a rotating force of about 600 us soldiers has been stationed in the southern philippines for a decade to train the philippine military how to fight the abu sayyaf, although the group has survived partly due to strong local support.

however other armed groups, including criminal gangs and rogue elements of the main muslim separatist group, the moro islamic liberation front, are also known to be involved in the kidnapping for ransom industry.

this year alone two americans, a malaysian, an indian and three south koreans, along with many filipinos, have been kidnapped in various parts of the southern philippines.

some of the kidnapped victims have been released but others, including an american teenager, remain in captivity.

GoodEnough

12-06-11, 00:54

This is, in general, a fairly lawless country in which rebel groups, private armies, armed gangs, roving bandits and heavily-armed clans act with impunity and are rarely caught and prosecuted. It's been this way for a long time, and it's going to stay this way for a long time. It's should thus not be surprising that other countries in the region grow, while this country remains a stagnant backwater, attracting little in the way of foreign direct investment, tourists or interest from the outside world. I read somewhere that the only reason the Philippines is classified as a third world country is that no one has yet invented a fourth world category. Seems appropriate.

GE

FurryFriend

12-06-11, 08:16

this is, in general, a fairly lawless country in which rebel groups, private armies, armed gangs, roving bandits and heavily-armed clans act with impunity and are rarely caught and prosecuted.to be fair, it isn't lawless in most of the philippines and certainly not in its largest cities. it's only lawless in the southern and western part of mindanao where only tourists who've lost their will to live should visit. the rest of the country is ok to tour as long as you maintain a bit of vigilance.

there are other nearby countries poorer and more deserving of fourth world status such as india, cambodia, laos, myanmar and bangladesh.

however, what's tragic about the economic history of the philippines is that the country was once amongst the richest in asia -- with manila named the "pearl of the orient". the spaniards, japanese and americans all desperately sought claims in the philippines for its abundance in natural resources and central trade routes throughout asia.

the dumbest thing the filipinos have ever done was to declare independence from the us in 1946, an event that also marks the beginning of the philippine economic decline. over the next half-century, the filipinos have demonstrated an utter inability to govern themselves. while other asian capitals were being covered with modern skyscrapers and hi-tech subways, manila descended slowly into chaos and decay.

of course, philippine poverty gives budget mongers an unique opportunity to monger. so perhaps one shouldn't be overly critical.

Econo Tech

12-06-11, 09:32

to be fair, it isn't lawless in most of the philippines and certainly not in its largest cities. it's only lawless in the southern and western part of mindanao where only tourists who've lost their will to live should visit. the rest of the country is ok to tour as long as you maintain a bit of vigilance.no, not just the south, but, except a rare few places, i need to constantly watch my 6 o'clock or i will be scammed, cheated, ripped off, or plain simply. cleaned up, if not stabbed / shot in the process.

there are other nearby countries poorer and more deserving of fourth world status such as india, cambodia, laos, myanmar and bangladesh.no, what is different here is, with the self-proclaimed 'peace loving' mentality, even murderers take years, if at all, to face the law, and most of the time, they are forgiven and the law forgets that a crime was committed, unless the suspect was a foreigners. on an average day, a couple of shootings, robberies and more are very common and nobody is bothered about it, with the lowly paid cops and all only keen to abuse the victim more. like many have found out. when you report about a kidnapping, it is the cops who end up adding to the ransom amount and milking the cash cow. which doesn't happen in those countries you mentioned, at least not so commonly.

and many a victim is more terrified of the cops than the criminal, and almost always, even if the culprit is identified, the cops give time for the culprit to surrender, a-la american style. promoting basic rights. etc. etc.

look at the their senate and see how many have no case against them. heck, the vp has so many corruption cases and he was voted as "the most trusted person". oh, did you ever wonder what marcos & family is doing? they are law makers. and even one of their senator was caught with drugs in hk and he pleaded mercy for being forced to take drugs by his gf's drama and the nation agrees that he should be given a chance.

oh, the navy man who led a mutiny? guess where he is? and ah. yes, the senator who disappeared when he had a murder case and conveniently appeared when the charges were dismissed, having hidden overses. and was welcome with open arms by the filipinos, having forgotten that he had committed a serious crime for leaving the country on a fake passport, and is not one of the proponents for bringing gma to justice.

and when another navy man left his gun off-duty, and it was used by kids to accidentally kill another kid during a play acting gone wrong, the navy man didn't even face court martial or any charges, heck, even the navy commander pardoned him accepting that it was a tragic accident. and everybody is happy about it. in my country, he would have been court martialled, regardless of any pardon and locked up in the brig for unsafe handling.

oh, when the former cop took hostages, did you know that 7 out of 10 police marksmen later revealed that they didn't shoot him as they felt the hijacker deserved a chance. and the hijacker went on to kill and more. and yes, the president refused to give a simple apology saying "the apology must come from the hijacker's family, not from the govt as we did nothing wrong" and all the public say "yes"

justice in philippines? no sir, i am not angry, but perpetually amused by their thinking and such, and no country comes closer to philippines. no country.

the dumbest thing the filipinos have ever done was to declare independence from the us in 1946, an event that also marks the beginning of the philippine economic decline. over the next half-century, the filipinos have demonstrated an utter inability to govern themselves. while other asian capitals were being covered with modern skyscrapers and hi-tech subways, manila descended slowly into chaos and decay.not at all. if i believe a few educated filipinos, they squarely blame the americans for having bred oligarchical businesses, and keeping the natives in line, breeding tightly controlled businesses, and promoting their own business interests and also the family-businesses leading to their sorry state of the country. no, i am not anti-american, but then again, these friends of mine were fully behind the wikileak report that quoted the american ambassador for philippines calling cory as spineless and did nothing to change much from marcos' style governance, and pnoy as having won purely on sympathy votes, and nothing else.

oh, you know that estrada won a fair amount of votes, despite his guilt being proven and being pardoned.

oh, and none of the martial law murders and extra judicial killings are even bothered about, and the current justice secretary, proclaimed here talent and tenacity by quoting her efforts by investigating some of them during her tenure as the head of the human rights commission. nobody was convicted, never mind the fact that a lot of the accused are dead or dying or had openly smirked and even mocked the kith and kin and don't give a rat's ass about the dead. i could quote a lot, including the morong 43, which happened far away from south of philippines. and well, everybody has a short memory.

again, i am not mad, just amused.

Fast Buck Artist

12-06-11, 09:50

The dumbest thing the Filipinos have ever done was to declare independence from the US in 1946, an event that also marks the beginning of the Philippine economic declinePhilippines was doing well for the first 15 years of independence, in 1950-1960 this was one of the most prosperous places in south east asia. The Chinese were coveting the opportunity to go work in the Philippines as laborers for they could earn a lot more than back home. The Philippine middle class guys at the time, for sex tourism used to go to.. Japan. Ironic how things took a 180 degree turn around.

It rolled downhill around the time Marcos usurped power and to keep power he distributed land and property to his cronies, dispossessing foreign investors and productive filipinos. Then he borrowed unrepayable amounts of debt, devalued the national currency into toilet paper, and spread a culture of corruption and cronyism. The middle class was wiped out, the competent people left, those who stayed adopted a "me and my family first, fuck everyone else" attitude that persists to this day. Add an out of control population boom pushed by the catholic lunatics and we have the present.

I hope Warren finds a way to break free, and the kidnappers get what they deserve. Expecting the worst though.

FurryFriend

12-06-11, 12:01

L.

It rolled downhill around the time Marcos usurped power .No doubt he plundered the country. But even after bring deposed, the country is still in rotten shape. There is more poverty today in the Philippines than there were a decade ago. The Filipinos can't blame it all on one madman forever.

The Catholic Church definitely has had a negative impact on society by promoting big families (whether or not the couple can afford it) and a "compassionate" culture which creates complacency and tolerance for failure. But pinoy culture is also to blame. The culture doesn't frown upon a lax work ethic and encourages people to lean on each other for money instead of promoting self sufficiency.

Notice Chinese-Filipinos are usually wealthier, more educated and more likely to be entrepreneurs than the natives, proving that you can indeed succeed in the country with the right work ethic.

Filipinos are usually fun to have around. But frankly, many are lazy and shady as fuck. My advice to newbies to the Philippines is, the less you talk to male Filipinos, the more pleasant your trip.

GoodEnough

12-06-11, 12:04

To be fair, it isn't lawless in most of the Philippines and certainly not in its largest cities. It's only lawless in the southern and western part of Mindanao where only tourists who've lost their will to live should visit. The rest of the country is OK to tour as long as you maintain a bit of vigilance.Actually, the lawlessness, or at least the lack of law enforcement, is pervasive. Mindanao, or parts of Mindanao, are merely the most egregious examples. The Philippines is routinely cited by international agencies for its lack of a functioning justice / judicial system, for the corruption of its judges, and for its lack of effective law enforcement. Yes, Myanmar and Cambodia may be more backward at the moment, but I wonder how long it will take for them to gain some positive momentum and to eventually bypass the Philippines, which once boasted the second highest standard of living in Asia after Japan. It only took Vietnam about 15 years after dumping Communism, and it took Malaysia, Thailand and Indonesia even less time to leave this country far behind.

GE

Red Kilt

12-06-11, 13:02

. But pinoy culture is also to blame. The culture doesn't frown upon a lax work ethic and encourages people to lean on each other for money instead of promoting self sufficiency.If you read Rizal's "Noli Me Tangere" you will find one of his characters railing against a villager who is expecting to live on hand-outs from the more wealthy people rather than working for a living. Rizal wrote that in the late 1880s. The culture of asking for "something for nothing" still persists.

Unfortunately the notion of relying on hand-outs prevails at government level too.

As soon as any infrastructure project is proposed, the next question is "can we get USA/Japan/Australia/ UK/Germany/Sweden etc etc funds to do it?"
There should be a huge tax base here to support government institutions if all collections were made expeditiously. The amount of aid that is delivered here is quite extraordinarily large when both loans and grants are taken into account.

Sammon

12-06-11, 15:03

Gangles

12-06-11, 16:49

There has been talk in this thread, and others, about poverty in the Philippines. Many governments, including my own, mount aid projects which are ostensibly directed towards alleviation, or eradication, of poverty.

And all of the solutions proposed by posters in this forum, and elsewhere, are directed towards solving the symptoms of the problems. Not solving the actual problem.

The commonest example of this are the numerous poverty projects in Africa, where trillions of dollars have been donated, and spent, with little imporvemen t overall.

It is olny by solving the actual problems, that poverty can be eradicated.

There are three "Primary Drivers" of poveerty.

The first is widedspread, and endemic corruption. The issue here is not so much that people steal money. The driver of poverty is that decisions are made, not on the basis of which option is best for the country, so muc as which option puts the most money into the pockets of the decision makers. This means that vast amounts of money are wasted, or are spent on substandard infrastructure, or public amenities.

The second is unstable government. This is not about changing government. The problem is where decisions made by government are changed, without just compensation. This means that investors cannot depend on their investments being safe for the long term. So investors will not invest. Hence no jobs, no growth in the economy.

The third driver is an ineffective land titling system. In countries with an effective land titling system, the ownership of land is clear, and unchallengable. Hence land can be leveraged to increase wealth. If title is not clear, then banks will not accept land as collateral against loans, and hence the wealth inherent in land cannot be leveraged to create more wealth. This also applies where land is held under customary title, where there is no clear owner of land.

If any one of these three drivers exists in a country, or region, or comunity, then the result will be poverty. In the Philippines, all three exist.

Hence to eradicate poverty in the Philippines requires that all three are fixed. A very difficult, and maybe impossible solution.

G

Questor55

12-06-11, 20:47

I am constantly in awe of the erudition displayed by numerous members of this forum. The reports of the last several days have been uniformly insightful, cogent and thought provoking. What saddens me is that with all the experience and expertise of our P I / ISG 'brains' trust', none of us are able to see any light at the end of the tunnel. This headlong plunge over the last 50 years, from second richest Asian nation to near the bottom of the barrel, seems so entrenched, that Third World status is now in the process of being down-graded to 'Failed State'. Does anyone see any possible scenario for a turnaround?

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