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Wjmpsr

03-18-12, 13:27

Gangles

03-18-12, 14:32

FBA's post re HIV / AIDS in the Phils is fascinating reading.

I compare it with my country, Australia, which is highly educated, lots of sex education, high condom usage rate.

The population of the Phils is about 5 times that of Australia. 100 million against 20 million.

Phils. 200 reported cases in one month, that is, about 2 cases per mo per million. Australia about 100, that is, about 5 cases per mo per million. That is Australian rate of infection is about 250% that of the Phils.

Phils. 85% are among homosexuals. Australia is a bit higher.

But 85% of the 200 is 170. So 30 to be accounted for. 17 contracted through intravenous drug usage. A bit lower that Australia. So 13 from heterosexual sex, that is, about 0. 13 per million per month. Australian rate is about 5 per year, which is aout 0. 02 per million per mo.

So what do these numbers show?

First, that this is a typical government / media beat up. If the Phils is headed for an epidemic, then, at 250% times the infection rate of the Phils, Australia must be in the grip of a full blown epidemic. But is this what we hear from the Aust govt? Of course not. So the Phils report is very useul, but the headline is typical scare mongering. Or a ploy to get more funding from overseas to fight the problem (more likely)

Second, the infection rates per million per month demonstrate that the risk of HIV infection from bareback sex is negligible. Far less than the risk of death while making your breakfast in your kitchen in the morning.

Interesting,

Gangles

HIV-AIDS epidemic looms in Phl

By Marvin Sy (The Philippine Star)

MANILA, Philippines. All of the necessary ingredients for an AIDS epidemic are present in the country. 'With the current infection rate, around 1, 500 Filipinos need to get into anti-retroviral treatment (ART). This means that the country has to spend at least P45 million each year for the purchase of anti-retroviral (ARV) drugs for their life span, ' Sen. Santiago said.

She said that by 2015, the number of those who would need ART could reach 6, 900, costing the government P207 million to support the treatments annually. A full-blown epidemic would entail an annual cost of P50 million.

Santiago has filed Senate Resolution 658 calling for an inquiry into the alarming increase in HIV infections and the necessity of funding HIV prevention programs that include the provision of services to populations most at risk of being infected.

HIV prevention programs include HIV education, counseling and testing, diagnostic and treatment of other sexually transmitted infections, and access to commodities that promote safe sex such as lubricants.

Santiago noted that condom use in the country remains low while having multiple sexual partners is common.

The Philippines is now one of seven countries in the world with increasing numbers of new cases. The others are Armenia, Bangladesh, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, and Tajikistan.

Santiago is also one of the principal authors and sponsors of the Reproductive Health bill in the Senate.

200 new cases.

The number of new HIV / AIDS cases in the country is nearing the 8, 000 mark as 200 new cases were recorded in a month.

The Philippine HIV / AIDS registry showed that from January 1984 to October 2011, a total of 7, 884 cases have been recorded; 937 of them had progressed into AIDS, while 339 had died.

In October, the number of cases recorded was 92 percent higher than 104 cases in October 2010.

Public health records showed that 97 percent of the cases were males. The median age was 27 years but ranged from 15 to 65. The 20 to 29 age group had the most number of cases. Fifty four percent of the new cases were from the National Capital Region.

The males having sex with males sector (MSM) is still the leading contributor of new cases, accounting for 85 percent of the new cases. Seventeen injecting drug users (IDU) contracted the virus by sharing contaminated needles.

Of the 200 new cases, only one case, that of a 27-year-old male, had progressed to AIDS. He was infected through bisexual contact. No AIDS-related death was recorded in October.

This year. 1,869 new HIV cases were recorded. 72 of which had progressed to AIDS.

Tally Wacker

03-18-12, 18:30

I gave in to my monger desires and fucked my gf s sister, and was caught in the act. Departing a few days ahead of schedule due to the sis fuck.

I was too tired to waste money on a girl so I walked home alone, and got mugged.

I first fucked the younger prettier girl, we both came well. Later the older, gal exited the jaccuzi tub and joined me on the bed, where the younger gal had dozed off. E proceeded to have great sex.Hey great report Wjmpsr!

Can you eloborated on these points?

How did it go with the GF catching you fucking her sister? Was it a big blow out or did she just say hey what you fucking my sister for?

You got mugged? Can you give a description how it happened?

Questor55

03-18-12, 20:53

Guys, if you are in P I for longer than a fast trip, check out the discount deals available online through 'Groupon Philippines'. I just came across it while browsing online. Many of you will be familiar with this and similar online discounts offered in Western countries. Check 'Getaways' for info on resorts, restaurants, overseas trip packages, etc. Discounts range from 40-70. No, I am not 'shilling' for Groupon, just think it, and maybe other online discount ops, may offer some real deals to those interested.

Member #4491

03-18-12, 21:45

FBA's post re HIV / AIDS in the Phils is fascinating reading.Very interesting post, Gangles. Thank you for putting this into perspective with facts and numbers.

Barba

Martybreger

03-18-12, 22:45

I have been on the USA site for years, but I am new here and would like to explore what the rest of the world has to offer. I am partial to Asians and have begun RTFF. Recently I posted an add on Thai Love Links and Filipino Cupid (they are sister services). I put virtually the same photos, profiles and other info on both. I am getting almost no response on the Thai site, but tons on the Filipino site. Any comment as to why. I would appreciate it.

WestCoast1

03-19-12, 02:07

Some afflictions have a much higher prevalence in westernized countries. There was a thing in the news some years ago about it. Breast cancer, for example, is very prevalent in US, canada, western europe. I think I read that in the States: 1 in 9 women will get some form of it (that's astounding) ; while in neighboring mexico, however, the rate is negligible. The better your standard of living and access to health care, the more likely you are to die from a variety of things.

Slippery

03-19-12, 04:01

What hotel were you staying at and where did you get mugged?

Sammon

03-19-12, 04:03

Ah thats a good one!

I chatted with a girl recently that told me she had 16 Siblings! She makes it 17. No shit! All with the same parents. WTF?

Thats like two soccer teams right?

I told her that her Dad should be castrated!

She giggled and agreed. Then she asked. You have wife sir?This must be a record. I dated a province girl who was no. 8 out of 12. 8 girls and four boys. Surprisingly she said all her older siblings are married and she is next. She was 20.

Funny thing is she showed pictures of her sisters and none have resemblene to each other. I chided her saying her mother must be sneaking out of the house at night to neighbours.

She just laughed.

Red Kilt

03-19-12, 15:00

A farmer in Devon has successfully grown a field of vibrators.

Unfortunately, he now has a problem with squatters!

Tally Wacker

03-19-12, 17:09

I put virtually the same photos, profiles and other info on both. I am getting almost no response on the Thai site, but tons on the Filipino site. Any comment as to why. I would appreciate it.Filipina want to get the hell out of their country and Thai don't.

DoingOurDuty

03-19-12, 18:23

Just booked a round trip to manila departing 08/27/12 for $782 all fees and taxes included. I wasn't planning on a trip this year as I'm still recovering from down economy here but I could not resist that price. Typical value fares here are $1200 to $1300 or more. The sweet spot was for departures between 20th or 27th of August and staying 3 to 4 weeks. The lowest prices on either side of this sweet spot by a week or so were anywhere from $1050 to $1500. TripAdvisor seems to be the best search engine for snagging low prices. Once I found the low price I booked through CheapoAir; the airline is United to Tokyo and ANA Tokyo to Manila and the flight duration is 4 hours less than the last time I paid over $1200. WOW! This deal with United should effect any flights leaving USA 08/27 to Manila so if you're looking for a deal don't waste anytime since I would think these seats will sell off fast. I'm a newbie here compared to most of you, are they expecting a bad typhoon, earth quake or tsunami between late August and mid September this year?

Let me know if there's a better place to post this.

P. S. I just paid $4. 09 a gallon for diesel fuel and I imagine jet fuel is experiencing the same kind of increases; never expected to find a low air fare like this

Stroker Ace88

03-20-12, 01:00

I flew direct to General Santos City, following a 5 hour layover in Manila. Gensan is dead for mongers. Fortunately I have a gf there. Unfortunately after two weeks of sex with the same woman I gave in to my monger desires and fucked my gf s sister, and was caught in the act. [SNIP] I spent two enjoyable weeks in rural south mindinao, departing a few days ahead of schedule due to the sis fuck.Correction, you now have an EX-GF in GenSan. Sometimes the temptation to fool around with a member of your GF's extended family can seem tantalizing but it's best to avoid those situations unless you have a clear p4p or NSA relationship. A foreigner caught fooling around with family members or friends of a woman that views you as her serious BF (You spent two weeks with her and met her family) could potentially end very bad for the foreigner. The danger zone should be magnified ten fold if you are caught in the act with a woman's sister in a place like Mindanao or some other less visited Province in the Philippines.

Funny how close you might have come to the nation seeing you on TVPatrol trying to talk to a reporter through blood soaked bandages and broken bones if your GF was raging mad and had an uncle who was barangay captain or PNP. *SIGH* I am being abit over dramatic here but it never ceases to amaze me when guys visit the Philippines how they leave there sensibility on the plane and sometimes they pay a price for it.

I arrived in Manila around 5 on Tuesday March 6, I walked down to MBC and chat with Mavel, not so pretty but a real sweetie. I was too tired to waste money on a girl so I walked home alone, and got mugged. Wednesday was spent at the emergency room. Thursday morning I walked the long way to MBC. I sat at the bar for a coffee.I know some guys on the forum complain about the filipina 'tards they find online, but IMO there are more then a few foreigner 'tards visiting the Philippines. Geess, you were too kuripot to "waste money on a girl" or a taxi and then as a result you got mugged on the walk back to your hotel. Ok shit happens, but then the NEXT DAY YOU WALKED BACK "the long way" to MBC! Shit you didn't learn anything the first time it happened so why not give them another go at you right? After all taxi's in Manila are sooooo expensive! So you saved max 100p a trip so that's max 300p! Seven frigin' US Dollars? How much did the muggers get? Alot more than 300p! I bet you even walked to the hospital am I right?

There are always times to be frugal, or walk somewhere if the weather and your environment cooperates for some excercise, but walking long distances through some tough parts of Manila make you the Kuripot King. I said it once and I will say it again, there are no coupons in mongering.

Also just a tip for rookies or guys who have no clue. Never under any circumstances announce or give out exact details of your arrival or departure on an open mongering website! That includes flights, hotel stays, dinner reservations, ect. Plenty of trolls, locals, potential government busy-bodies including NBI, PNP or others who have the means to find out quickly who you are. For personal security it's best to post AFTER spending time in a city and never give exact dates of arrival or departure. I am not paranoid, just an informed realist and it's basic common sense.

For example the noob posted flight details GenSan-MNL (exact date and time). Only a few direct flights daily and it would be a very easy thing for someone to narrow down the list of the foreigners who were on that flight and cross reference it to recent hospital admissions and-or his previous MNL-GenSan flight. Not too many bright lights around it seems.

Gangles

03-20-12, 09:22

Tally Wacker

03-21-12, 00:08

So I am asking for ideas on how I can connect with a pinay who wants to study these subjects, and who is looking for sponsorship.

Any Ideas?

GSo I'm guessing your fucking these studious young women as well?

Slippery

03-21-12, 00:56

Tally Wacker

03-21-12, 02:01

WOW! This deal with United should effect any flights leaving USA 08/27 to Manila so if you're looking for a deal don't waste anytime since I would think these seats will sell off fast.
Why don't you tell us where you're leaving from and perhaps we might be able to put your information in perspective. Geeeeeeeeesssssshhhhhh.He did.

Thanks for the info Doingourduty!

I searched for prices flying from California to Manila in mid June and the price goes up to 1200 and 1400 dollars. I was hoping to get a deal like yours. Any ideas guys?

Red Kilt

03-21-12, 03:27

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For some years, I have been sponsoring a young woman through her degree, and she is about to graduate with a degree in Hotel and Restaurant Management.

. .Along with several thousand other graduates in HRM Gangles. I hope your investment is worth it for her, as there are very few jobs available in hospitality any more and many of the courses are "mickey mouse" too (with a curriculum that includes how to set cutlery up on tables and how to fold table napkins. The stuff of a 3-day Techvoc course).

A few years ago all the jobs were in "Graphic Arts", then it was "Nursing" and now they all want to do HRM.

I spoke to the sales manager in Waterfront in Cebu a few months back and she said they had to stop applicants coming in with resumes. They were getting 20 per day coming in looking for work and they had no jobs for them. She also said most of them needed retraining anyway after graduation, and she was disgusted at the low quality of these courses which seemed to be uncontrolled and non-accredited.

I think your motive is admirable but you need to do exceptional due diligence on both the reputation of the proposed College / University and, more importantly, the quality of the training. A quick check of the required reading for the program may well shock you.

Golfinho

03-21-12, 04:07

stop applicants coming in with resumes. They were getting 20 per day coming in looking for work and they had no jobs for them.<<a sales manager in Waterfront in Cebu? A what?

Can't find a Starbucks in Bahrain / Kuwait / Qatar / UAE without a pinay behind the counter. Market sorts its way out, one way or another

Fast Eddie 48

03-21-12, 04:28

Why don't you tell us where you're leaving from and perhaps we might be able to put your information in perspective. Geeeeeeeeesssssshhhhhh.To Slippery.

If you read careful he said US that is not a bad price most airline just raise price last week by 60 USD because of high fuel tax, Cathay Pacific is about 1040 USD SFO to Manila with stop over in HKG for end of May and June to end of Aug jump to 1350 high season.

Fast Eddie 48

Gangles

03-21-12, 06:37

Sometimes I wonder about the twisted mentality of guys like TW.

For my present student, I think that I might have sexed her 3 or 4 times over the past 3 years. And each time at her behest. I think that she had the notion that she should repay somehow or other. At each of our meetings, the first order of business was money. She provided receipts for every item of expenditure. Second order of business was grades. She produced reports for grades for each semester. She is a pretty good student. Third order of business was future intentions, eg summer school, choice of subjects etc.

Then occasionally, she would make it clear that she was looking for sex. Maybe I was her only guy, I never asked if she had a regular bf. Certainly, she did not get pregnant, so that is an indicator.

My concern recently has been exactly the point that RK raised, that is, huge numbers of students, and relatively trivial standard of skills of the graduates.

I managed a project some years ago to improve the quality of outcomes of degree courses in geodetic engineering (surveying) in the Phils. We found colleges offering the course which had zero books in their library, and effectively zero equipment. Failure rates at the PRC boards was high. Some schools, like UP and Ateneo, offered high quality courses, and the results at the boards was about 90% or more.

We rebuilt the curriculum, so that graduating surveyors had the necessary skills to be able to effectively input data into the national land titling system. Plus engineering and topographical surveying as well. The curriculum was based on competency standards, which the team developed jointly. Three universities in Leyte took up the new curriculum, and their pass rates at the boards are now 95% plus. A great result.

So I have some understanding of the effectiveness of the tertiary education system here. Fortunately, the pass rates for every course, and every college are public information, so it is not too hard to decide which colleges will provide good value for the money.

So much for TW's inane comment.

G.

So I'm guessing your fucking these studious young women as well?

Member #4351

03-21-12, 15:29

Mc Don

03-21-12, 16:26

I have a policy of returning some of the money that I have earned in the Philippines. I do not do this by giving money away, but rather I invest in the country through education and training.

For some years, I have been sponsoring a young woman through her degree, and she is about to graduate with a degree in Hotel and Restaurant Management.

So I am looking for another pinay to sponsor. However, this time I want to sponsor someone in a degree that adds to the expertise of the country, probably in science, engineering, architecture etc.

The last pinay I found by chance. The next one, I will have to find.

So I am asking for ideas on how I can connect with a pinay who wants to study these subjects, and who is looking for sponsorship.

Any Ideas?

GI have somewhat a simular policy although my aim is to help them get out. I actually push them to study a language as well as a course for which there is demand in Singapore or HK. I find it far more beneficial for both that way.

AS RK suggested HRM is a mickey mouse course and it will be hard to get a job as there is thousands of graduates. Simular to the waterfront, ABC in AC whenever they advertise on FB they get 1000s of CVs. I have seen some and I can tell you now the biggest difference you can make in that persons life is actually helping her do a proper CV.

As for how to go about finding a suitable student I guess you can always talk to a uni to set up a scholarship scheeme or if you prefer hunting then ask you current girl to get find someone already enrolled that might be interested.

Tally Wacker

03-21-12, 17:05

Sometimes I wonder about the twisted mentality of guys like TW.

G.It was only a question not a comment. No need to be defensive.

Aussie Jo

03-21-12, 22:40

So Red Kilt, what would you suggest then as a course of study? Given the dearth of jobs would a girl to studying Business with an eye to starting a small business of her own be a worthwhile alternative?Isn't there a book about this. Everything I ever learned about making money. I learned [not at university]

I'm having one of those week sin which I have little faith in the Phils education system. If they can fix that, then the 1, 000s of unemployed applicants can start making a difference to the country.

For instance, if I had a Phils business graduate coming to me here in Australia, I'm not so excited. If I have a Malaysian or Singapore graduate, they are far more likely to be productive Day 1.

GoodEnough

03-21-12, 22:59

As part of a much larger project here, we run an internship program that places recent college graduates into 3-6 month internships with reasonably large corporations, most of them in Manila. Most of the kids completing their internships are offered jobs by their hosting companies. Based on this experience, it appears to me that the most difficult requests from companies for us to fill are for engineering and accounting graduates. Relative to HRM, these are relatively expensive courses here, much more demanding than HRM, and with much lighter enrollment, despite the fact that it's much easier to find a job as a graduate of either course. The gap between labor market demand in certain sectors, and the courses taken by college students is wide, and it's led me to the conclusion that most entering college students fail to consider the relationship between the course they've selected and the eventuality of landing a job.

Many of the deans to whom I've spoken about this issue tell me that most of their students selected courses of study based on economics; often choosing the less expensive courses at the urging of their parents, because those are the courses that the parents can more easily afford. The problem is further exacerbated by the so-called licensing exams-for engineering, accounting, teaching, and so on-which only a small minority of graduates actually pass. Whether than phenomonon is a result of poor education or a desire of the professional communities to restrict entry to the sector I don't know.

Education is one of the most widely subscribed, and one of the cheapest curricula at the undergraduate level here. Yet less than 40% of graduates pass the teaching exams, and the government hires less than 30, 000 new teachers a year, so the odds on a fresh graduate obtaining a teaching job are minimal and in fact many try to get work in call centers. However, an estimate 90-95% of call center applicants fail the English tests administered by these centers, and the colleges apparently never think to offer mandatory courses in spoken English, so this avenue of potential employment turns out to be less an avenue than a narrow alley.

Given this situation, if you want to provide advice and support to college students, I'd suggest you advice them to take more technical degrees-in Engineering, the pure sciences, or Accounting-which will greatly enhance their likelihood of eventually finding employment.

GE

Glenmorris

03-22-12, 01:29

Red Kilt

03-22-12, 02:20

So Red Kilt, what would you suggest then as a course of study? Given the dearth of jobs would a girl to studying Business with an eye to starting a small business of her own be a worthwhile alternative?I still think a lot of these potential "small business" operators will be better served to undertake a shorter TESDA course which is more focused on the actual skills needed.

So many of the tertiary courses in Colleges and universities are taught by people without any practical experience in rooms that have little equipment anyway.

David. I suggest that teaching (degrees in Education) is now looking like a worthwhile career to follow if a student has good inter-personal skills and the right attitude. Notwithstanding what GE says, the job situation in Education will change as the system demands many more qualified teachers with the shift to a 12-year school curriculum and especially for teachers at Early Childhood (Kindergarten) levels, the sector which always appeals to younger women.

The salary level has just (in Feb. 2012) increased so that a beginning teacher is now close to the 20, 000 php per month level which is the salary of call center operators without the crazy hours, a more stimulating environment and a chance to live nearer to home.

Mc Don

03-22-12, 06:54

Accounting and nursing are the two that I am mostly interested in. Accounting I can assist them as I have lots of friends / ex-colleagues in the banking world while with nursing qualifications and some experience they are able to get a job in some overseas countries. To make a difference in place like phils I think the first step is making sure they can feed their extended families and making sure once they are out that they still retain interest in what is happening at home. Change will come from outside, the overseas Filipino workers need to fight for that.

To me science and engineering degrees are more male dominated field. I remember girls doing engineering courses in aus were always dykes, LOL maybe its just me hahahaha

Joe Banana

03-22-12, 08:12

Gangles, there was nothing inane about TW's comment, it was entirely appropriate for a forum such as this. If not then please take your theme to a do-gooder's forum. You did at least have the decency to "sex" her 3 or 4 times. Good for you.

I once sponsored a girl to do nursing, mainly because she was such a good fuck and she managed to get to me so that I wanted to help her. She didn't have the good sense not to try and cheat me for more money though and I stopped after a year. It was her brother that was persuading her to scam me for more so he could go to college at the same time.

I last saw her in Hong Kong, five years older than when I first met her and looking like it as she was doing the work I'd tried to help her get out of. She said sorry but it was too late by then, she admitted that she had hit the jackpot with me but screwed up.

If I find another good candidate then I might try and sponsor again but fuck and forget is easier and less heart ache.

Econo Tech

03-22-12, 09:13

If I find another good candidate then I might try and sponsor again but fuck and forget is easier and less heart ache.But some of us want to experience the wholesome experience LOL

That includes me too. Haha

Cunning Stunt

03-22-12, 09:25

Gangles

03-22-12, 12:06

In a verey different modus operandi, I have found so many young pinay who have appalling lack of knowledge about sex that I am in the process of assembling a sex education manual, mostly cut and paste from sex education booklets online. It is close to being finisherd in the first edition.

I have posted it, in parts, to a number of pinay so far, to at least get their level of knowledge from zero to basic.

I guess that this could complement the CS School of Advanced Sex Education.

G

I am a selfless educationalist and philanthropist as well. Despite my busy schedule, I readily give freely of my time, effort and money in the training and education of young ladies at my CS School of Advanced Sexology where they are taught everything that they need to know about pleasing and satisfying a man, namely me.

I issue uniforms and training aids free of charge and even provide audio / visual tools so we can review progress and I can point out and correct mistakes.

When fully trained, the graduate student is able to immediately earn a good living practicing the physical skills that she has been taught on my short but effective course.

Do you think that I should seek accreditation and maybe issue diplomas?

Gangles

03-22-12, 12:16

Thanks for suggesting the degree in accounting. I had not thought of that.

I think that the difficulty in finding a prospective student to sponsor, is that they will not be anywhere near a college until right on enrolment time, which is when they already have the money.

I guess that I need to get to them before then. My question, is how to reach them.

Maybe a Facebook Page?

A for fees, having sponsored the HRM student, I have found that ancillary costs for labs, field trips, and practicums are far more than for the tuition. And these costs are never published before the course begins. Very opaque.

G

Gangles

03-22-12, 12:22

I agree withRK re training for small business operators. The academic programs in universities are theoretical in nature, and totally hopeless in the practical issues of how to establish and manage a small business.

For 5 years I was contracted by the Australian federal govt and the Queensland state govt to deliver training courses in small business. It was the "Certificate 4 in Small Business Management", and it was very effective, very practical. Competenct Based. TechVoc ANTA system. Trainees who completed this course had a business failure rate of 20, compared with the national average business startup rate of 80.

With some modifications, it would be suitable for deliverty here.

I thnk that I still have all or most of the training materials.

G.

I still think a lot of these potential "small business" operators will be better served to undertake a shorter TESDA course which is more focused on the actual skills needed.

So many of the tertiary courses in Colleges and universities are taught by people without any practical experience in rooms that have little equipment anyway.

David. I suggest that teaching (degrees in Education) is now looking like a worthwhile career to follow if a student has good inter-personal skills and the right attitude. Notwithstanding what GE says, the job situation in Education will change as the system demands many more qualified teachers with the shift to a 12-year school curriculum and especially for teachers at Early Childhood (Kindergarten) levels, the sector which always appeals to younger women.

The salary level has just (in Feb. 2012) increased so that a beginning teacher is now close to the 20, 000 php per month level which is the salary of call center operators without the crazy hours, a more stimulating environment and a chance to live nearer to home.

Slippery

03-22-12, 13:01

To Slippery.

If you read careful he said US that is not a bad price most airline just raise price last week by 60 USD because of high fuel tax, Cathay Pacific is about 1040 USD SFO to Manila with stop over in HKG for end of May and June to end of Aug jump to 1350 high season.

Fast Eddie 48My attention span is not lost in 5 or 6 sentences. If you look carefully, USA is quite a large country and air fares from different departure points vary in price by as much as $500 00 or more. That's alot of money and that's why I remarked as I did.

KongKing

03-22-12, 14:07

I am a selfless educationalist and philanthropist as well. Despite my busy schedule, I readily give freely of my time, effort and money in the training and education of young ladies at my CS School of Advanced Sexology where they are taught everything that they need to know about pleasing and satisfying a man, namely me.

Do you think that I should seek accreditation and maybe issue diplomas?That is a worthwhile and excellent contribution to the education and training of young ladies CS.

Yes, I think you should consider accreditation and I don't think you could do better than using the KongKing Certification Agency. They are accredited to ISO-ISG standards and would verify through independent third-party inspection, testing and certification & verification that your services to the young ladies of the Philippines do meet appropriate quality, safety & performance standards. As principal of this said Certification agency I would make it my personal mission and it would give me pleasure to provide in person the verification necessary for your accreditation.

KongKing

Wicked Roger

03-23-12, 02:01

Thanks for suggesting the degree in accounting. I had not thought of that.

A for fees, having sponsored the HRM student, I have found that ancillary costs for labs, field trips, and practicums are far more than for the tuition. And these costs are never published before the course begins. Very opaque.

GG.

The additional fees are everywhere and I am convinced it is a way for the university and / or teachers to make money for itself / themselves as some of the fees for 'tours', OJT etc are ridiculously high when you know the costs yourself. And if you ask for a schedule of these fees and tours, the uni will not have.

Cool Traveler

03-23-12, 06:28

One of the girls I met here in Manila, once told me that her friends sells this Chinese herbal viagra to people. Sort of like a home business. So, I ended up getting 2 boxes of 6 pills per box. Can't remember the color of the box, since I threw it away and put the pills in a small zip lock back. The capsules are in a temper proof sealed flow pack. You have to break the pack to get to the pill. The pill is a capsule, red and black colored pill.

Most or all of the girls customers are old people in Manila. It seems they are too embarrased to to go to the pharma to get these, so they rely on her discretion. I think it is all for those side fucks they do.

Cost: 600 Pesos for 6 pills.

So, last night, with much trepidation, I popped a pill before a DIA girl (I am in Manila next 2 days) , showed up. I took the pill about an hour before she got there. Once she showed up, not only did I have a raging hard on, it expanded a little. I have taken Pfizer's Viagra before, where your schlong gets really hard and straight. This one made it really hard, straight and a little bulgy.

I did her, every which way, rested for a while, and did her again, and my hard on was still there. Never fucked that hard in a while. Where is the 5 hour energy drink when I need it!

We went to sleep, and got up middle of the night, and my dick got it's own life back again, and went another dound.

Woke up in the morning, and it still had a lot of life left. So, went one more round.

Conclusion: This Chinese stuff works. You got to ask the locals to get it for you.

Stroker Ace88

03-23-12, 06:49

Red Kilt

03-23-12, 06:56

Stroker Ace88

03-23-12, 07:19

Update in today's news (but dated Wed March 21 LOL).

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/ph-to-implement-visa-reforms-for-tourism.html

But no date given. Just the ubiquitous "soon" which, given Filipino passion for time management, could mean ANYTHING as you know SA88RK,

Thanks for the info and the link. Yep I know "soon" could mean December or it could mean next week.

I almost fell off my chair LMAO when I read one of the comments at the bottom of the article. It's clearly posted by a member of ISG. LMAO Busted!

Soapy Smith

03-23-12, 07:30

I think that the difficulty in finding a prospective student to sponsor, is that they will not be anywhere near a college until right on enrolment time, which is when they already have the money.

GApologies for revisiting the philanthropic dialogue.

I think you do not need to get them before they enroll. I have observed that many seem to enter the institution without any idea how they'll continue to pay the bills. They scrounge the money to make the initial payments to get in the door, but maintaining the finances to stay in school becomes a major challenge. And if they work on the side, their grades suffer and they risk dropping out. Anecdotally, I've met many young people who dropped out after a year or two, usually over the finances, but I don't know whether there are systematic data supporting my presumption about drop out rates.

So there are lots of Freshmen and Sophomore students in need of financial assistance. If all you want to do is help out a student, just walk in the student affairs office of any nearby university and tell them you want to offer financial assistance to a needy student. But I assume you are interested in tying some very specific strings to the financial assistance. What you're looking for is a work-study student. So you'd need to have a more informal approach. Maybe you could stake out a few individual universities and figure out where the student hangouts are near campus. Then spend some time there and try chatting up women. Without coming on too strong. Maybe an opening line could be,"I really don't understand how you students manage to find the money to take care of all the bills," and take it from there. This is not anything I've ever tried, so I'm just speculating. CS has often reported picking up students, but his modus is the occasional costume shag, not the ongoing work-study arrangement. But his providers are presumably the same market you might want to target. Maybe he will privilege us with his suggestions.

Cunning Stunt

03-23-12, 11:32

CS has often reported picking up students, but his modus is the occasional costume shag, not the ongoing work-study arrangement. But his providers are presumably the same market you might want to target. Maybe he will privilege us with his suggestions.Oh, I've sponsored a real student before; a 19 year old returnee to High School who I bankrolled for a year. But I would be lying if I said that I did it for purely unselfish reasons and I'm not into self deceit. No, I helped her because she was a tasty little morsel who let me into her pants on regular occasions. She got what she wanted and so did I so it was a win-win situation. I think that any ISG member who says that he helps a girl for purely altruistic reasons is either an outright liar, fooling themselves or an angel and I suspect there are not too many of the latter on this forum.

Thanks Kong King, here is one of my former students taking her oral examination which I'm pleased to say she passed with flying colours (mainly cream coloured and flying over her face!). Another successful graduate from my Advanced Fellatio Course.

Starchild2012

03-24-12, 03:21

Sorry to disturb the ongoing philanthropic discussion, but I was wondering if anyone knows when the BoI plans to increase the standard 21 day tourist visa to 30 days? It's an effort to try to boost tourism dollars and part of the "It's more fun in the Philippines" campaign.

I couldn't find an official news release on the BoI website, just some chatter online. Here is the reference I came across on the ABS-CBN website. It's dated January 2012 so I am not sure if this is breaking news (to just me?) or it's old news and I missed the info that was previously posted on ISG.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/01/06/12/its-more-fun-philippines-new-tourism-slogan-launched

Anyone?I was frustrated with this news. The quote "A 14-day visa-free stay for Indian nationals who have a valid American, Japan, Australian, Canadian, Shengen, Singapore, or United Kingdom visa, the DOT said."

As I'm from India, What the F. Do they think we are not even worth 166 countries standards to be able to get a visa free stay in PH for even 14 days that we have to travel into one developed country to show how much we are worth for the PH. Its insulting.

Why would an Indian go to PH with this new hassle when Thailand, Hong Kong & Macau has 15, 15 & 30 day free visa on arrival for Indians and have direct flights from India. Obviously they don't want Indians or Chinese in the PH with the kind of silly restrictions they have on both countries. That means nearly 40% of the world population, the two largest populated country on earth is out of favor with PH and they think they can increase their tourism numbers.

I just don't understand what points I have to prove anymore to be able to get to PH considering the last scrutiny and hassle I faced in Manila airport. No illegal alien or unwanted Indians would make PH their home base, when Thailand, Hong Kong has more opportunities than PH. Richest Asian is an Indian. Highest number of Billionaires in Asia are from India and China. I agree, majority of Indians are poor, but even with 1% of Indians who are super rich that would be 12 million would put PH on the Map with tourism numbers that they so badly desire.

Now, here is the shocker. India allows Filipinos 30 days free Visa on Arrival facility which was signed when Arroyo was the president, it was a mutual agreement but so far PH has not honored their side of the deal and as they are saying now, they did back in 2006 with the word "SOON"

Gangles

03-24-12, 04:49

WR is entirely right, the additional fees amount to several times the costs for tuition. And my student could never tell me in advance when these were required, nor how much they would be.

My guess is that some families seriously budget for their children to attend college based on tuition fees, but in reality they later cannot keep up the flow of money for the additional charges.

G.

G.

The additional fees are everywhere and I am convinced it is a way for the university and / or teachers to make money for itself / themselves as some of the fees for 'tours', OJT etc are ridiculously high when you know the costs yourself. And if you ask for a schedule of these fees and tours, the uni will not have.

Gangles

03-24-12, 04:53

TazDevil

03-24-12, 05:06

"Maybe you could stake out a few individual universities and figure out where the student hangouts are near campus. Then spend some time there and try chatting up women. Without coming on too strong. Maybe an opening line could be,"I really don't understand how you students manage to find the money to take care of all the bills," and take it from there. This is not anything I've ever tried, so I'm just speculating. CS has often reported picking up students, but his modus is the occasional costume shag, not the ongoing work-study arrangement. But his providers are presumably the same market you might want to target. Maybe he will privilege us with his suggestions.[/QUOTE]"

I believe you are on the right approach here. I was also thinking about going to a student bulliten board where some might be looking to boost their income by posting jobs for babysitting, house cleaning and nanny type jobs.

Tally Wacker

03-25-12, 23:05

I believe you are on the right approach here. I was also thinking about going to a student bulliten board where some might be looking to boost their income by posting jobs for babysitting, house cleaning and nanny type jobs.You guys should put up a booth on the campus and hand out sex education booklets to young horny studious filipinas.

Red Kilt

03-26-12, 07:37

You guys should put up a booth on the campus and hand out sex education booklets to young horny studious filipinas.Clever response TW.

I know many guys here are having a joke about sponsoring students but I guess some readers might also be deluded and think that Skip Kost is actually being serious with his "staking out colleges and universities looking for students to sponsor".

This is NOT a sensible strategy for old (or young) , lecherous, touristy types to be hanging around colleges trying to find girls who need someone to pay for their tuition. You will very quickly be seen as a dirty old man. Remember, in case some of you don't know, that NOT ALL girls need a foreigner to pay for their tuition, and the possibilities of getting reported by one of the girls who is grossly affronted by your approach or your offer are fairly high.

If anyone seriously wants to sponsor a poor Filipino student (male or female) through a legitimate assistance program that does NOT carry the promise of sexual favors in return for your donation please PM me and I will put you in touch with a foundation of which I am a member. We sponsor the "poorest of the poor" kids through high school (for 3000 php per year) and if they show ability we extend the assistance to College / University for a slightly higher amount per year. You get to meet the student and the family and follow their progress closely through regular reports and letters. Every centavo that you pay goes to the student.

All administration costs are met by a wealthy US retiree / philanthropist who established the foundation and he has some other wealthy friends who also donate large amounts of cash to keep the program going.

Cunning Stunt

03-26-12, 08:10

I am planning to go to the UK soon, to include some mongering.

I have done my research re RTFF, for the mongering. But while I am there, I want to buy some parts for Brit made cars.

Are there any Brits on this forum who can tell me the name of any of the big sellers of after market spares for cars in the UK?

GEBay would be where I would start. If that doesn't work try a google search 'spares (make of vehicle interested in)'.

If you are not too shy about group orgies, I would highly recommend trying a Lady Marmalade Party if you are in London. Fill your boots with 7 gorgeous (usually) babes with a maximum ratio of 2 to 1. Great fun.

You will very quickly be seen as a dirty old man.

Great! I'm a dirty old man (DOM) and proud of it...lol.

Bonkers1

03-26-12, 15:44

I seen this cartoon and thought you would like it

SuperMuda

03-26-12, 20:49

I seen this cartoon and thought you would like itThat is so true!

Member #4491

03-27-12, 00:59

So Red Kilt, what would you suggest then as a course of study?IMHO I think this question is a matter of personality in combination with both the direction and quality of the education. I help three girls now, and they all qualified by being friendly, happy, warm, attractive, caring and reasonably intelligent. I do not pay all school costs for all, but pitch in substantially at times with both cash and hardware.

One is going to be a teacher and I think she will be quite good at this. In my opinion this is the best she can do given her mental ability and education. Not stupid but a weak educational foundation. She will be great taking care of the small ones.

One is an IT student, and she is quite gifted (in a contextual sense). I am sure she will get a job in some outsourcing company doing something that is to simple or boring for western IT staff to do.

The third will be a dentist and this is the smartest of the three. She is also the one that spends most time in her boarding house reading. She actually reads just for entertainment sometimes, and this separates her from 99, 9% of the rest of the girls I met. A smart geek with big tits.

My demand for any contribution is that they should have more than 97% in pass grades, or whatever it is called.

There is no way to know what effects this kind of sponsorship will have but I for me the girls hope and happiness, together with the sex and my own well being from helping the girls, is enough motivation to continue. It is a bit like talking to your grandmother with Alzheimer. No one really knows what difference it makes or if it is even worth the air, but at least it makes you feel good and it allows you to have some hope. There is something comforting in the notion that a positive moment for any human, is worth something in the greater scheme. Sure I fuck these girls as much as I feel I want to, but we are still happy and there is nothing cynical in our communication or relation. As of where to meet them, I met two online and one I started to talk to when I was eating. One girl was just 18 and 100% innocent. But a very happy girl that smiles a lot. One was (and is) 20 when I met her. 100% innocence here as well, but her learning curve is steep and she is already starting to enjoy to have something big inside of her little fanny. At least if I avoid doggy. The third was 19 when I met her and she is more experienced and frankly the best fuck if I feel like a little bit of performance. She is also the most fun girl to hang out with in the long run. In all the cases I think their personalities match their choice of education well, and in addition they are devoted to passing with good grades.

Gangles, to find someone who deserves your sponsorship would require field time in my opinion. Or references but it is more fun to find someone on your own, isn't it? If you have some defined criteria and are serious about sex not being a condition, I am maybe can bump some girls your way and then you can meet them all for interviews.

Barba

Member #3916

03-28-12, 03:26

Headed to Bagio any tips on day time activity. Especially non pros.

Stroker Ace88

03-28-12, 05:45

Headed to Bagio any tips on day time activity. Especially non pros.First thing you need to do is get the name of the place right. Bagio? It's Baguio City. So now you know the name of the place you can google it and learn on your own.

Newbies need to ask less, read more and don't expect others to do your homework for you. Di ba?

Next thing you need to do is pay Jackson $19. 95 so you can PM some senior members and ask specific questions.

RTFF Newb!

Cool Traveler

03-28-12, 18:19

I promised everyone a feedback on my flight to Jakarta from Manila. Take into account, I booked my flights way at the end, almost 2 or 3 days of my date of departure. I generally don't know my scheduling until the last minute.

After research I decided to split my trip into 2 segments. Manila to Singapore and Singapore to Jakarta.

Manila to Singapore:

The best and most convenient flight was through Jetstar. I found the flight on Zuji. Com, then proceeded to jetstar. Com and booked my flight. For those unfamiliar with Jetstar, it is the Australian budget airline. They modeled their airline parallel to Air Asia. I think it is also partly owned by Branson. The flight cost $100, one way. With the extras, premium seats etc. Fees, it cost me $140. 00, one way. Departed at 10:40 from Manila (Terminal 1) , arrived in Changi at 2:40 afternoon. My return flight departed Changi (Budget Terminal) at 2 am, and arrived in Manila at 6 am. Just time to meet my morning session at the hotel.

Singapore to Jakarta:

I used Tiger Airways. Departed from Changi Budget Terminal at around 6PM. Arrived in Indonesia, Jakarta at 8:30 pm. The fare cost $60. 00 each way inclusive of taxes and fees. Returned on the 9 Pm flight which arrived just in time to catch the 2 am back to Manila.

If you book in advance, pretty certain the fares will be much more cheaper. Jetstar was excellent, and Tiger Airways sucked big time from ground crew to the flight. Being part of SIA, what a shame!

I will try Phillipine Airlines on my next trip.

Goferring

03-29-12, 15:22

I will try Phillipine Airlines on my next trip.Depending on the day of the week PAL may not have direct MNL Jakarta flights.

Cebu Pacific do every day they fly. And they leave from the better terminal. And you can book more baggage.

Having said that, book ahead and PAL have some great discounts. Can't beat $50 each way inc taxes!

Times are pretty much identical at midnight out of Jakarta and 9pm for the direct flights from MNL.

WestCoast1

03-30-12, 03:52

Depending on the day of the week PAL may not have direct MNL Jakarta flights.

Cebu Pacific do every day they fly. And they leave from the better terminal. And you can book more baggage.

Having said that, book ahead and PAL have some great discounts. Can't beat $50 each way inc taxes!

Times are pretty much identical at midnight out of Jakarta and 9pm for the direct flights from MNL.CP does not have flights from Manila to Jakarta on Tuesday and Thursday (all flights outbound 8:55pm from Manila). They don't have return flights from Jakarta to Manila on Wednesday and Friday mornings (flights depart at 12:30am from Jakarta).

Member #3916

03-30-12, 05:56

First thing you need to do is get the name of the place right. Bagio? It's Baguio City. So now you know the name of the place you can google it and learn on your own.

Newbies need to ask less, read more and don't expect others to do your homework for you. Di ba?

Next thing you need to do is pay Jackson $19. 95 so you can PM some senior members and ask specific questions.

RTFF Newb!What a charming fellow you are. Glad you correct my spelling and that you are so proud of being a "senior" member. Take you knowledge and shove it up your you know where.

And by the way I have paid my $19. 95 for the last 5 years you bone head.

Yours

Gangles

03-30-12, 15:19

I have been continuing my research into pinay anal through my most recent trip. I now make it a point to check if a / the woman will take a finger, or more, in the ass while copulating.

Only one outright rejection, all accepted with some careful lubrication and insertion. Some proceed to more than one finger, or butt plug, and others now regularly prefer an internal digital stimulation whils f*cking.

One pinay, Miss R, took one, OK, with quite a lot of grunting and huffing, so I slowly slipped in a second. By now she was panting, grunting, continuous mantra of f*ck me. F*ck me. So I proceeded to slip in a third finger. By this time my hand is distorted, and a bit painful, but she was right off the planet. So I figured another development, rolled her onto her back. 3 fingers still in, and proceeded to give her a very vigorous two finger G-spot massage. She was off the planet, howling, convulsing. By this time my anal hand had lost all circulation, so I slowly extracted one finger at a time, and brought us both back to earth.

She wrapped herself around me, very tightly, I guess just letting the sensation stay with her for as long as possible. Wow.

G

WestCoast1

03-30-12, 23:39

And by the way I have paid my $19. 95 for the last 5 years you bone head.

YoursWell, then why does it say you are a Regular member, with only 4 posts?

WestCoast1

03-30-12, 23:41

One pinay, Miss R, took one, OK, with quite a lot of grunting and huffing, so I slowly slipped in a second. By now she was panting, grunting, continuous mantra of f*ck me. F*ck me. So I proceeded to slip in a third finger. By this time my hand is distorted, and a bit painful, but she was right off the planet. So I figured another development, rolled her onto her back. 3 fingers still in, and proceeded to give her a very vigorous two finger G-spot massage. She was off the planet, howling, convulsing. By this time my anal hand had lost all circulation, so I slowly extracted one finger at a time, and brought us both back to earth.

She wrapped herself around me, very tightly, I guess just letting the sensation stay with her for as long as possible. Wow.

GHoly shi'ite, Batman! That left me breathless! A Field Report, in the General Info section? Warn me next time! (and post more haha)

Member #3916

03-31-12, 20:41

Well, then why does it say you are a Regular member, with only 4 posts?Westcoast I truly enjoy your posts. They are amazing! Asian Rain also and others!

The question that was asked was why I don't pay my $19. 95 not why I don't post. I believe you get to be a senior member after 25 posts regardless of if you pay the $19. 95 (Jackson maybe you should consider changing the rules).

With that said I live in the US and seldom get to travel. I am somewhat active (post) on the USA site in the Los Angeles, OC sections. I do have an opportunity to visit PI later this month and was hoping to get some hints pointers. I did not expect such an unfriendly response. Looking back at my post I should have toned it down.

Yours!

Wazoo

04-02-12, 01:44

I am making my first trip to the Philippines in a few months. I have quite a bit of travel under my belt to Japan and China, but always have wanted to partake in the mongering paradise of PI. Many years in the hobby have made me bored and a little jaded with the standard short-term session with a pro thing. Honestly, out of the hundreds of encounters I've had over the years, I remember only a few of them. What made these special were at least one of the following: (1) exceptional beauty or body, (2) some amazing skill set way above the norm, (3) personal chemistry and emotional attachment that made it special. I'll have just a few days for playtime in Manila when I'm not working. The easy thing to do would be to hit some of the well-publicized bars. However, I thought I'd give DIA a chance. Here's my report.

I put up a profile a couple of weeks ago. I don't feel comfortable posting a real pic of myself for general circulation. Instead I found a photo online for a reasonable facsimile of me and posted that. I sent them a real pic after I got to know them, and all but one of them understood and seemed fine with it. I don't want to hurt any young lady by pretending that I have long-term boyfriend potential. I just stated that I'm there for a short time and just want to go out on the town with a nice lady. I got flooded with interest-maybe 30 in the first week but it has slowed down since then. I weeded out the ones looking only for husbands, those that were too old or too homely, and a few obvious scams. (The scams didn't show up until after more than a week of exchanging messages. These guys are good.) I also politely backed away from a couple who seem to have fallen in love with me. I have a working list now of 2 ladies in their late 20s. One admits to kids and one says she's a widow without children. Both are very attractive, and we've had some flirty video chats. I'm careful to keep away from explicit talk. They say that a lot of guys go right to the sex-talk or want to wave their privates around in front of the camera. Both of them seem to really appreciate being courted and flattered, treated like a woman. Still, it's pretty clear to me that I could expect a great time with either of them when we meet. The widow strikes me as horny and deprived beyond belief. I'm also working with 3 super cute babes in the 20-23 age range. I've been able to check out all of these women through Facebook pages and of course video chat. Again, there's not been any explicit talk, just flirting. Again, I'd wager that by the time I get there, at least one of them will give me strong signs that a payoff would be in order. I'll of course report back when I actually meet these women. We can see then if my intuitions are right.

DIA is not for those who just want quick action. It's very time consuming. I think it's for those who think the flirting and chatting is part of the experience and enjoy it. Personally, I like the idea of slowly over time building rapport and excitement, so there's a lot of anticipation when we finally meet. I'm hoping for something like a real girl-friend experience.

I do have some questions for the members who are old hands at DIA. I'm wondering if the women pretty much know that if they meet a foreigner, that sex is expected. The young ones I'm cultivating seem to need money. They are students or are looking for jobs. Is there an understanding that things will need to move pretty quickly to consummation without a lot of wining and dining? And is it a given that the young poor ones will receive compensation? The two I'm chatting in their 20s have good jobs, and I think are in DIA more for excitement than for money. I could be wrong about that.

Finally, has anyone used the Pinaylove site? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort. Thanks!

Member #4491

04-02-12, 02:54

I do have some questions for the members who are old hands at DIA. I'm wondering if the women pretty much know that if they meet a foreigner, that sex is expected. The young ones I'm cultivating seem to need money. They are students or are looking for jobs. Is there an understanding that things will need to move pretty quickly to consummation without a lot of wining and dining?How fast you move from first Hello, to taking of her panties depends a lot on how pro they are. If you are done with the KongKing sniffing phase, you reduce the amount of time needed. Because time is what it takes if they are not somewhat used to trading sex for money. They need to feel safe with you, and safety is familiarity. Familiarity comes through the investment of time. Nothing of this is relevant for professionals or what is often refereed to as "semi-pros" (that is in fact just professionals that still have a fairly decent attitude). They know the deal already.

I met a 19 year old chat friend that was quite pretty. Three-four kilos to much but nice face and good size tits. We chat a couple of times before I met her, and just for a few minutes so not a well founded meeting but I had time to kill and wanted to reload. After a 10 minutes meal of Kitten & Rice I asked her to come with me to see a friend. I spent about half an hour talking to my mate (another ISG member) and ten I asked miss teen if she wanted to come with me to the hotel to see the room, before her curfew kicked in."Ok just for one hour and no sex". I was going out later anyway so I did not care, but once in the room my little head took control and I asked her if I could at least kiss her. A lot of disclaimers and then a kiss. And another. And some tit squeezing. This girl never met a foreigner before and had all sorts of ideas about us (most where true) and she was very clear about not having sex. After a few more minutes of kissing and laughing I guided her hand to my Andros spear and helped her to take it out.

She was once again going on about not taking it in her little vagina and I said,"sure I promise we will not have sex, but you can maybe make me feel good with your hand for a while?" And she started (continued) to jerk my dick. Not good but she was a quick learner. After a few minutes it was time for the "try kissing it, baby". She looked at me a bit puzzled and I guided her head down to my cock and slowly helped her to suck it and jerk it at the same time. She was such a cute young girl learning to suck cock, so even if I was on my last days of the trip, it did not take long before I offloaded massively in her little mouth. In pure surprise she swallowed twice and then looked at me with glassy eyes and smiled confused. I made her "kiss" off some more cum, before it was time to get dressed so she could go home to her waiting mummy. While dressing we chit chatted about her not wanting to have sex on the first date because she only had sex once before and wanted to get to know me first. She apologized and I said "Oh, no worries baby no need to stress that. Sex comes when you feel ready for it". It was as if nothing had happened. She had still cum around her mouth, when she explained and apologized for wanting to go slow forward. I paid for her taxi, but since we did not have sex that was all she got. Next time maybe I get luckier. LOL.

So the moral of this is;

- Do not make the girl have to say "yes". Invite her for whatever stupid idea you can come to think of.

- Do not ask. Just do, and pretend as if you are asking.

- If needed, pretend as if she is not doing what she is doing.

- Once you are done, pretend as if nothing happened and make a date for the next time it is time to "look at the room". If you pay her, you pay for whatever else but sex.

Little miss teen will be thoroughly introduced to some more of the foreign culture next time we meet, but rest assure that "we will not have sex until we are serious or even married".

B.

Aussie Jo

04-02-12, 05:23

Finally, has anyone used the Pinaylove site? I'm wondering if it's worth the effort. Thanks!Sounds to me like you already have enough on your plate. 4-5 possibilities should be enough with a few extra phone numbers.

I'm currently on Tagged lining up a few pinay for my next visit. 2-3 weeks of rapport building is enough I think. Enough for 2 dates a night, one early on which if it crashes you have the backup. If the former works out, just text and cancel the latter date.

Also, be careful of arrival dates. They always want to know exact day of arrival. I give them 2-3 days after my actually arrival and then bring them in 1-2 days earl. Saves them all trying to hunt you down on Day 1.

Have a great trip.

AJ

Red Kilt

04-02-12, 06:05

. SNIP. .

DIA is not for those who just want quick action. It's very time consuming. I think it's for those who think the flirting and chatting is part of the experience and enjoy it. Personally, I like the idea of slowly over time building rapport and excitement, so there's a lot of anticipation when we finally meet. I'm hoping for something like a real girl-friend experience. .Thanks for the detailed post Wazoo about your experiences and impressions.

I don't agree with your definitive statement that "DIA is not for those who want quick action." and I think some of my brothers in arms here will agree.

Your "softly-softly" flirt and court approach may (and may NOT) work but you will not know until you actually arrive and meet her in person (if she turns up).

There are many stories in the forum about guys who had pre-visit flirtations like you only to find that the girls backed out when they actually arrived or suddenly became different to the one that you chatted with.

Many guys (and you will read about it here on the forum) do not use DIA until they actually arrive . They then go hard at girls who are online and close to where they are staying. Invariably they end up with a companion turning up within an hour or two of initial contact.

For those of us who live here (like me) , we have the benefit of using both approaches. I think most of us agree that you can start communicating with a woman too far in advance of your trip. Long drawn out chats / exchanges raise their expectations that you are very genuinely interested in them as potential partners. Filipinas are very romantic and your extended courtship may well raise a few perils for you if you are not at all interested in any serious relationships. I have no doubt that you have told them you are only interested in fun and nothing serious but they will disregard that because your intensive and regular contact / flirting with them is telling them a completely different story.

X Man

04-02-12, 07:25

Red Kilt

04-02-12, 09:55

RK and Wazoo,

There is a thread on ISG Philippines dedicated to the exact topic you are discussing. It is called "chat rooms and pen pals", and has been pretty popular since I requested the new topic.

XPoint taken X Man. I should have cut and pasted my response across to the Chat Room thread.

I don't know what Wazoo was thinking when he posted here in Gen. Info.

Probably the same as me when I replied LOL.

Pinaypounder

04-02-12, 10:58

Fast Buck Artist

04-02-12, 13:22

I do have some questions for the members who are old hands at DIA. I'm wondering if the women pretty much know that if they meet a foreigner, that sex is expected.Nope, it is NOT expected. In my younger days I assumed it was, and invited out several girls without discussing the sex question beforehand. Often such encounters end with you entertaining and feeding the girl and her chaperones (tagalong friends who will pop up unannounced) and at the end of the night they go home, or even worse, sleep with you with all their clothes on!

DIA is full of all kind of critters, from curious schoolgirls with way too much time to waste, to single mums with no education hunting for prince charming, to hardcore prostitutes.

I met all types, at one extreme there are girls who are ready to roll within 5 minutes of chat, and they'll be naked in your hotel within 1 hour, and on the other extreme I met girls who would not take their panties off before seeing a shiny wedding ring on their finger, no matter how much they like the guy.

Assumption is the mother of all fuckups!
Do not assume anything! If you expect sex, discuss it before you meet up.

Red Kilt

04-02-12, 13:36

It has been mentioned elsewhere but a few guys have PM'ed me about the Easter break.

Just about everything will be closed on Thursday and Good Friday, April 5 and 6.

All malls will be closed all day. On Good Friday in particular, you will find that EVERYTHING is closed so you will need to stock up on supplies in advance.

The Government has proclaimed April 7 (Saturday) as a non-working holiday too (which means people asked to work on that day will be entitled to higher rates). Malls will be open on Saturday.

Fast Buck Artist

04-02-12, 13:48

To add another note about Easter, this is the time of the year when all the trabahadores go back to their chicken coops in the province, so expect the interstate roads to be a nightmare if you are going for a trip. Driving out at 1am is recommended!

Member #4351

04-02-12, 15:47

Wazoo, I have mentioned before that IMHO starting on DIA months before a trip is a terrible idea. As you have found out, you are running out of things to talk about and the girls are losing interest. I realize that a lot of forum members have nothing better to do than chat up girls on DIA and fantasize about their upcoming trips. This trip I put my profile up about two and a half weeks before traveling. Next trip I will pull that back to a week. I think that a little self control and waiting will give better results.

Tally Wacker

04-02-12, 16:56

I do have some questions for the members who are old hands at DIA. I'm wondering if the women pretty much know that if they meet a foreigner, that sex is expected. The young ones I'm cultivating seem to need money. They are students or are looking for jobs. Is there an understanding that things will need to move pretty quickly to consummation without a lot of wining and dining? And is it a given that the young poor ones will receive compensation? The two I'm chatting in their 20s have good jobs, and I think are in DIA more for excitement than for money. I could be wrong about that.I have been using DIA and another site to meet filipinas for my trip coming up in a couple months. I agree its very time consuming and can get confusing chatting so many different girls. I am the same as you in regards to enjoying the anticipation and excitement of building the relationship before you arrive. This will be my 3rd trip to Phil and I was very successful on my previous trips. Every filipina I met with I took on a date and then we went back to the hotel and had sex. I did not tell them I expected sex but I did chat a little naughty with them previously and gave suggestions and hints on what I would like to do.

Filipinas are very romanic and sexual so its almost a given that a sexual encounter will happen if they like you unless they are saving themselves for marriage or have another agenda. Here are a few things I do to increase the chances of sex on the first meeting.

At some point in our chats I talk about sex and explain to them that I'm nice but also naughty. By their response you can get an idea what their level of naughiness is. Even the good girls are horny so don't be afraid you will offend them. If they are a prude then you don't want to go on a date with them anyway.

I also explain that I will be bringing sexy lingerie for them and I want them to model it for me. Their response will give you an idea if sex is on the menu. I don't give them the gift of sexy lingerie until we return to the hotel room after the date. To me there is nothing more sexy than a hot young non p4p filipina that you just met model sexy lingerie in your hotel room.

I have 3 different catagories I put the girls I'm chatting with in.

1. Very naughty filipina! (I don't take these girls out for nice dinners or spend alot of money on them. I make it clear to them that we will fuck)

2. Pretty, young and open for fun. (These are regular girls that are not playgirls and are looking for a boyfriend and are open for fun)

3. Age between 23 and 30, Educated, Beautiful, Tall, No kids (These are the girls I'm searching for as a potential mate. I have not chatted as naughty with these girls because they won't put up with it. I have tested their naughtiness some but will need to meet them in person to see how it goes.)

Wazoo

04-02-12, 21:44

thanks for everyone for these extremely helpful responses. i didn't know about the chat room thread-so my apologies there. i'll take a good long read.

i agree that i'm starting way too soon. originally i had planned to go next month so i started making the contacts. i got about 20 on my "possible" list and winnowed them down to about 10. then all at once my business plans ran into a major screw-up, so the trip got put off a few months. i made my dia account inactive, but i already had initiated contact with several girls. i sent them all notes and most bowed out. i'm thinking these were the semi-pros and pros who don't want to invest much time in me. but 5 of them continue to contact me for i'm and video chat: #1 is a super cutie about 20 who is looking for work. i think she's just bored. #2 is a young 20s massage therapist who is flat out gorgeous and a real live wire, but she says she's looking for a husband this year. #3 is a late 20s widow with a beautiful face and some obvious pent up needs. #4 is a late 20s single mom with a professional job. this one is not beautiful but is very sexy and has a totally sensual mind. she's the one out of the bunch i don't want to let go. she's also the one sure thing. she's already offered to on a beach vacation with me when i get there. #5 works in an upscale makati hotel frequented by a lot of you guys. she wants to organize my tour for me and has promised good deals on everything. she's not much to look at but is very sweet. i'm thinking that i should not stay in her hotel or i'll get no privacy at all. she'll be at my hotel room door every night when her shift ends.

so, my guess is that all but #4 will die on the vine, and i just hope i can keep #4 going without us both burning out before i get there. yes, you guys are right: i started too soon. and the point is well taken that if i invest months of video chats, i'll look more serious than i am. i should cool it.

thanks again!

Aussie Jo

04-02-12, 21:58

T.

So, my guess is that all but #4 will die on the vine, and I just hope I can keep #4 going without us both burning out before I get there. Yes, you guys are right: I started too soon. And the point is well taken that if I invest months of video chats, I'll look more serious than I am. I should cool it.

Thanks again!Sometimes I send them a message to say that I will be out on business for a couple of weeks and can't contact them until I'm back at my home. That gives me a couple of weeks break from the chat.

They think they have been in contact for a few months, remember that plenty of guys are just hitting the chat for a solid week and run out of things ot chat about, you can keep popping up every couple for weeks for 1-2 messages.

Sammon

04-02-12, 22:40

It is not good to put any kind of presure on the girl in your room. Light kissing should be ok. If the girl is adament about no sex do not force her to do BJ. In your room the girl may think you may get violent and might do it just to go out. But after she leaves you never know who she is going to call. She knows which hotel you are staying.

Some DIA girls are very naieve. She might have have been forced into sex by her Phi bf but when it comes to foreigners forcing there will be problem or extortion.

It is always better to talk about sex while chatting. Meet only the girls who say they will have sex with you.

Most of us are not into romancing, dating trying to get into their pants. We do not have time to waste on vacation. Except couple of times when I was thoroughly sexed out I had barfined " Cherry " girls in AC. Most sleep naked and let you play with them but there are some who will sleep fully clothed.

Stroker Ace88

04-03-12, 02:33

thanks for everyone for these extremely helpful responses. i didn't know about the chat room thread-so my apologies there. i'll take a good long read.i agree. this whole discussion should be transferred to the chat room and penpals thread since it deals in depth with dia and all the associated issues that come with it.

i agree that i'm starting way too soon. originally i had planned to go next month so i started making the contacts. i got about 20 on my "possible" list and winnowed them down to about 10. then all at once my business plans ran into a major screw-up, so the trip got put off a few months. i made my dia account inactive, but i already had initiated contact with several girls. i sent them all notes and most bowed out. i'm thinking these were the semi-pros and pros who don't want to invest much time in me.no that's not the case. when you sent your contacts a message informing them your trip was going to be delayed for a few months and you are unable to meet them anytime soon, most rolled there eyes because many have experienced that before.

you have to understand that of all the guys online only a small percent will ever visit the philippines. and of the guys that do visit, many of them get side-tracked with one woman or one city and often run out of time to meet all the women they contacted. the women are very accustomed to guys making promises and never following through. in fact most women are often genuinely surprised when you first text them from a philippines based sim."whoozz diz" is very common. even if you have sent several text messages explaining where you know her from and who you are most still do not believe it until after you meet in person.

but 5 of them continue to contact me for i'm and video chat: #1 is a super cutie about 20 who is looking for work. i think she's just bored. #2 is a young 20s massage therapist who is flat out gorgeous and a real live wire, but she says she's looking for a husband this year. #3 is a late 20s widow with a beautiful face and some obvious pent up needs. #4 is a late 20s single mom with a professional job. this one is not beautiful but is very sexy and has a totally sensual mind. she's the one out of the bunch i don't want to let go. she's also the one sure thing. she's already offered to on a beach vacation with me when i get there.i think you need to do more homework with #4 if you don't want to lose her. she told you she's a professional but lots of things are said in chat that are not true. test her again and again and don't get too worked up when you see a beautiful woman on webcam. also most women want the rich foreigner to take them to a beach resort and even if she offered to pay it's just a way for her to try to get closer to you and your wallet. only believe it once she has really paid for you but that's not likely.

#5 works in an upscale makati hotel frequented by a lot of you guys. she wants to organize my tour for me and has promised good deals on everything. she's not much to look at but is very sweet. i'm thinking that i should not stay in her hotel or i'll get no privacy at all. she'll be at my hotel room door every night when her shift ends.if she was caught in the company of a hotel guest where she worked, she would instantly get fired. even if she was off duty and even if she made some excuse to visit your room she would never risk her job unless it was a temp ojt assignment and it was coming to an end with no chance of being hired full time.[/quote]

Mc Don

04-03-12, 18:40

I agree with what David wrote. I did that last 2 trips, 1 week before I go I would start chatting and yeah it work fine. I also had luck meeting girls on the day. I log on, my first msg is I am in Manila, I would like to meet you now, do you have YM so we can chat on cam? If she agrees after 3-4 min chat on YM I would arange a meeting and it always worked. What I did before the trip is select potential contacts in my favorites and then on the days when i want a dia girl I would seach for who from my favorites is on line

Pip Jaeger

04-06-12, 22:47

Before asking my newbie question I would like to thank all of the members, especially the seniors (no pun intended) , who have contributed to this forum! Although it can be a bit overwhelming, ISG is truly a treasure trove of information. I've lurked here for a few months and I truly appreciate everyone's contribution.

I've mongered mostly in Sex Prison USA as well as in Germany back in the 80's and early 90's – anyone remember the 'Gelbe Zeitung' (yellow newspaper)? For those of you not familiar with it, it's a classified paper that had a section listing pros, semi-pros, freelancers, horny housewives, etc. Since there were no pics, it was quite a challenge and sometimes a let down when you actually met up with the girl. But I did manage to find a few gems.

I am planning my first visit to the Philippines in May and I have garnered a lot of useful info and tips from the various threads. It is my intent to stay about 4-5 weeks and I'm planning to first visit Manila for a few days, and then Angeles City, Cebu City and Davao City (not necessarily in that order and possibly with a side trip or two. To CDO and Subic).

My game plan is to only book a hotel in advance for the first few days in Manila and wing it from there. If I understand correctly, May and early June is not the peak tourist season. I prefer hotels with air conditioning, a room safe, mini fridge (or better a kitchenette) , private bath / shower. I don't have a problem with typical 'hotel' or street noise and it would nice if the hotels had a pool / pool bar. Will I have any problems finding decent mid-class hotels, in the 40 to 90 USD per night range? Checking the regular travel sites like Agoda, Expedia, etc it looks like there are plenty of rooms available right now, but what about on short term notice?

Also, I came across a website –

www.tingo.com

, they continually ping the hotels' server and if the room price drops they will automatically rebook your room at the lower price and refund your C / C. Their prices are on par with Expedia and some of the other major travel sites. The only info I can find about it says that they are affiliated with, or owned by, Trip Advisor. I couldn't find any reviews about it yet. Anyone here heard of them or used them yet?

GoodEnough

04-07-12, 10:51

I rarely fly Cebu Pacific unless I have to, but recently I've had little choice as the places I've had to go weren't easily accessible by PAL, which is my airline of choice. However the recent experiences haven't been that awful and I was starting to develop, if not an affection for the airline, certainly a dimunution of the dislike I felt for it in its earlier days. That was until I went to its website today and purchased three tickets-for my asawa and two young family members-to go to CDO, and then by bus to Camiguin for a few days in May while I will be out of the country.

According to the advance purchase information on the website, the one-way tickets were only Php488, thus a round trip should have cost less than Php1, 000 a person. Right? Not so fast Tonto. I had no problems accessing the site and checking off the tickets, the fares, the names of those traveling, and entering all of the other quasi-essential information that the airline seems to feel it needs. No problem either entering the US credit card information. What I didn't realize-certainly my fault for not being a careful reader-was that the list of supplementary "voluntary" extras-like seat selection, the ability to bring baggage for check-in, travel insurance, etc. had been "pre-checked" on the form by the airline, and that if I didn't want to accept these extra charges I would have had to uncheck the boxes. There is even a charge for the "privilege" of booking tickets via the web. Then of course, there are the taxes: travel tax, fuel charge supplement and VAT to name but a few. Imagine my surprise when, having purchased the ticket,s I saw that I had been charged about Php8, 600! That should havve been about $200 a today's rate, right? But wait, there's more.

Curious about the actual US dollar charges I went to my Visa site on the Internet and received the unpleasant surprise that I had been charged $215. Why? Because Cebu Pacfic, the "bargain" airline, had charged me at a rate of about Php40. 4 to the dollar instead of Php43.

So the good news is that the site was fast, accepted the card with no hassle and issued the ticket. However, it's a caveat emptor situation, and the airline tries to rip you off with extra charges at every turn. You can avoid this by being more careful than I was. What most of you cannot avoid is the final rip off of horrendous exchange rates. Next time, if there is one, I'll use my Visa card that's calculated in pesos on a local bank here.

GE

Mr Enternational

04-07-12, 15:32

Flight Details.

Route Flight # Departure Arrival.

Cebu to Clark.

5J 608.

Mon 05 Mar 2012, 1700H.

Mactan Cebu International Airport.

Mon 05 Mar 2012, 1820H.

Diosdado Macapagal Internal Airport.

12/25/2011 12/27/2011 CEBU PAC MIGSSMA1. 6 PASIG. PASIG MAIL / PHONE - 5527 $55.78

Originally I paid 2289 PHP and it showed on my card as $55.78 which is a rate of 41.03 PHP=US$ 1. This included 15 PHP security fee. 300 PHP for fuel. 263 PHP Phil tax. 80 PHP web booking fee, and 100 PHP seat selection fee.

02/11/2012 02/13/2012 CEBU PAC MIGSSMA1. 6 PASIG. PASIG MAIL / PHONE - 8993 $4.19

I adjusted my reservation a month and a half later to pre-pay an extra 168 PHP for baggage overage (scuba gear). This time the exchange was 40.09 PHP=US$ 1.

As soon as I completed my reservation it showed an Itinerary Receipt with the price in PHP, USD, and the exchange rate used for the transaction.

As GE said, I have noticed airlines in Asia have things such as insurance and seat selection pre-checked when you make the purchase online and you have to un-check them if you do not want the service.

Gangles

04-07-12, 16:30

It looks at first glance that Cebu Pacific really ripped off GE for his 1, 000 peso fare to be inflated to 8, 000. I find it hard to believe.

When I am in the Phils, I fly Cebu Pacific much more than the other airlines, because of its better scheduling. The model that Cebu Pacific is using is pretty standard for all low cost discount airlines. That is, you initially pay for the seat, and that is all that you get. If you want more, then you pay for it. So if you are prepared to fly with only carry-on baggage, and sit where the computer puts you, and neither eat nor drink, then you do travel cheaply. If you want the extras, then the price rises.

However, at no time does the airline deliberately hide the costs that you are incurring. And at one point, it asks you to verify the data so far.

Also, the airline provides seats at a sliding scale of prices. If you book far enough ahead, you get seats at the lowest prices. As these are all sold, then the next seats are sold at the next highest price. Etc. If you book a day or two in advance, it is likely that you will be paying the full fare. There are lots of bargains out there for the flyer who can plan and book well in advance, and is prepared to fly "bare bones".

It seems to me that maybe GE has made his reservation in the same way that he has done in the past with full fare carriers, like PAL. These carriers assume that you want everything, and charge you accordingly. So if you are not carrying any baggage, you are still charged for it. If you do not want to eat or drink, too bad, you already pay for it. Etc etc.

So maybe GE was not paying careful attention to what was happening with his fare, and was not carefully reading the questions that he was being asked about which add-ons he did or did not want. Every step, every add-on is displayed, with the cost, and the option to buy or decline. So maybe he will be more careful next time.

However, I am pissed off at the exchange rate that the airline used. Maybe someone with some time to spare could choose one day, and go to each airline in turn and ask them what rate they are using for that day. It would be an interesting comparison. And would give some hard facts rather than our suppositions.

So maybe a good lesson for all travelers to be a bit more careful when buying tickets over the internet for a discount airline.

As an aside, Air Asia have extended that model to apply it to their chain of discount hotels. Tune Hotels. When you initially book a room, you pay a low price, but the room is all that you get, with towels and soap. If you want air conditioning, you pay. If you want TV, you pay. If you want internet, you pay. The rooms are small, immaculately clean, everything works, and the WIFI is pretty fast. And it is spreading pretty quickly across Asia. Some time ago, the CEO of Air Asia was riding with me, and he explained the business model. Pretty impressive. Starts with micro analysis of every source of costs, and devising the lowest cost way to deliver. Step by step. As he stepped me through it, I was thinking about the opposition, the full cost airlines. They are actually astonishingly wasteful, and the customer is paying for the waste.

Enough from me,

G.

I rarely fly Cebu Pacific unless I have to, but recently I've had little choice as the places I've had to go weren't easily accessible by PAL, which is my airline of choice. However the recent experiences haven't been that awful and I was starting to develop, if not an affection for the airline, certainly a dimunution of the dislike I felt for it in its earlier days. That was until I went to its website today and purchased three tickets-for...E

GreenBud

04-07-12, 20:10

What I didn't realize-certainly my fault for not being a careful reader-was that the list of supplementary "voluntary" extras-like seat selection, the ability to bring baggage for check-in, travel insurance, etc. had been "pre-checked" on the form by the airline, and that if I didn't want to accept these extra charges I would have had to uncheck the boxes.
What most of you cannot avoid is the final rip off of horrendous exchange rates.If you got charged in US dollars, it's probably because you "forgot" to uncheck another box. It's the box at the end when the website ask you if you want to be charged in US dollars. If you leave that box checked, they will rip you off and give you a horrible rate in US dollars (Cebu and / or Air Asia does this).

But note that even if you uncheck that box, most Visa / Mastercards will charge you a 3% foreign transaction fee on the peso to US dollar conversion. A few credit cards (such as Capital One) will not charge you the foreign transaction fee.

We live in a capitalist world. It definitely is Caveat Emptor (buyer beware).

GoodEnough

04-08-12, 10:24

I fully accept the blame for not hhaving read the instructions on the site more carefully. I was in a noisy restaurant, had other things to do, and was in somewhat of a hurry. So the fault for failure to read is strictly mine. Gangles is also correct that I'm more accustomed to PAL and with its site, which probably also caused a lack of attentiveness on my part. So the bottom line is that I could have avoided some of the "extra" expenses by being more careful, though there was nothing that would have alerted me to the outrageous exchange rate. As I said in a prior post, next time I'll just charge it to a local visa and avoid the problem entirely.

For anyone who might be interested, the flight between Davao and Zamboanga (where I spent Easter Sunday) is now a small jet and it's a hell of a lot better than the smaller, more cramped propeller plane that used to fly the route. No complaints on the comfort side at all. Of course I realize that Zamboanga is not the destination of choice for most of the guys who might read this.

GE

Econo Tech

04-09-12, 06:31

I fully accept the blame for not hhaving read the instructions on the site more carefully. I was in a noisy restaurant, had other things to do, and was in somewhat of a hurry. So the fault for failure to read is strictly mine. Gangles is also correct that I'm more accustomed to PAL and with its site, which probably also caused a lack of attentiveness on my part. So the bottom line is that I could have avoided some of the "extra" expenses by being more careful, though there was nothing that would have alerted me to the outrageous exchange rate. As I said in a prior post, next time I'll just charge it to a local visa and avoid the problem entirely.Actually, a couple of years ago, we were doing something for Virgin Australia. Virgin Blue.

Same. When a person checks for flights, extra baggage, insurance and, wait, by default, it always adds 2 as number of pax LOL.

Oh the fun we had handling claims. For a single person, travelling baggage free, being charged for baggage and all. Though people were wise to not buy tickets for two, they overlooked the insurance and extra baggage options.

Econo Tech

04-10-12, 10:09

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/174011/photos-of-tourists-posing-with-crosses-on-good-friday-anger-netizens

Wonder where their fury was, when they were taking pictures of the Lunetta massacre site LOL.

They only can outdo themselves.

Red Kilt

04-11-12, 10:56

I will post this here in the General Info thread so it covers all threads, as there are frequent requests all over the place for information about "how much".

I have done a bit of a whip around a few of the guys who live here (and that I know) to get a handle on just what we all pay for the non-bar girl freelancer or DIA or other dating websites encounters in which the girl makes it clear that payment is expected for a 3 or 4 hour session in SOGO or Eurotel or whatever.

The common and regular amount that we pay here is 1500 php in or near Manila.

Note that this does NOT apply to barfines or any situation where you have professional services provided and / or you have already paid upfront whether for girl or for the bar. It also does NOT refer to the DIA meet up where it is clear the woman would be grossly insulted if you offered her money (that's a freebie).

I am referring to payment for a girl who you contact (or who contacts you) on a dating website asking if you want some fun or a girl that you meet in a mall or on the street and who clearly is expecting some reward.

Now those of you who boast about 500 or 1000 php success that's Ok for you. You do your own thing.

For those guys who don't wish to either shortchange a girl OR over pay her and who want to know what is the median figure that some of us start and finish on, it is 1500 php.

If you ask a woman "how much?" and you get the standard "it's up to you" response, then you can start at 1000 php and if she accepts then you still have an option to offer to tip her extra for super service and still be within the 1500 limit. For me, it is 1500 php flat. No negotiation, That's it.

If you go beyond 1500 ph then that's your option too but the girl will think it is her lucky day. Many times I have offered 1500 php and had girls say "not enough" and I just say "OK then, take it or leave it" and every time they have taken it when they have seen that I am serious about it.

I know there will be many guys say "too much" and relate their own stories. That's OK, but from my perspective (and a few mates), 1500 php is fair trade for 3 hours of services and I, personally, would feel cheap if I gave anybody who was expecting cash for services less than 1500 for a ST session.

Of course, even better are the situations where it costs nothing at all, but that is not what I am discussing here.

WestCoast1

04-11-12, 14:55

I know there will be many guys say "too much" and relate their own stories. That's OK, but from my perspective (and a few mates).1500 php is fair trade for 3 hours of services and I, personally, would feel cheap if I gave anybody who was expecting cash for services less than 1500 for a ST session.

Of course, even better are the situations where it costs nothing at all, but that is not what I am discussing here.Good stuff RK. This should be re-posted about once a month for newbs, so they don't have to RTTF too far back. I'm one of the guys who often gets it for less, but 1500 st / 2000 lt is typical in manila. BTW you can subtract 500 in cebu, and even more in the province. OTOH, I've been getting huge initial requests from provincial girls in the last year. 5k. 7k. 10k, and 20k. The view that we are walking ATM's is endemic.

Sammon

04-11-12, 16:55

good stuff rk. this should be re-posted about once a month for newbs, so they don't have to rttf too far back. i'm one of the guys who often gets it for less, but 1500 st / 2000 lt is typical in manila. btw you can subtract 500 in cebu, and even more in the province. otoh, i've been getting huge initial requests from provincial girls in the last year. 5k. 7k. 10k, and 20k. the view that we are walking atm's is endemic.chatmates or bargirls, if they are willing to have sex have to be re imbursed. there is nothing like freebie unless horny old successfull woman hits you. even then she wants to be dined and given gifts. phi girls are notorious for demanding money and gifts without any qualms about it. some want to be instant millionaires (in their mind ). one girl in manila said her friend (real cute) wants 10, 000 pesos st. after arguing she said 3000 is ok. had a offer from a virgin girl for 20, 000 pesos. who knows true virgin or not?

generally bargirls want 1500 st and 2500 lt. ofcourse depending on her circumstances she may agree for 1000 st and 1500 lt. some mbc girls are desperate to earn any amount. they have already invested trip cost, food and drink and really tired of hanging around and waiting.

in my experience edsa girls do not ever go for lower price. maybe there is mafia pricing or peer pressure.

chatgirls are much cheaper. some are real gfe and happy with what you give. very appreciative of gifts also. if they are from provinces and poor even 500 pesos is considered lot of money. all girls if they have cousins, aunts, friends who are dating foreigners will demand more money. they also say so and so got expensive computer, cell phone etc. i believe them and i am sure some did exactly that. what the heck they are going to do with expensive computer apart from chatting? i heard from another girl that these girls sell expensive gifts as soon as the guy goes home. then they tell a sob story that it was stolen. ever heard how many girls tell you their cell phone is stolen? most likely it is sold or pawned.

Cunning Stunt

04-11-12, 17:20

The common and regular amount that we pay here is 1500 php in or near ManilaI would say that it very much depends on the 'quality' of the lady in question. Many would be in the 1000-1500 bracket (such as the typical MBC girl) but if she is particularly hot and if she was my type, I will happily give more. The most that I have ever given in The Philippines for a 2 pop ST (don't do anything else) is 3 thousand but that was to a stunner who agreed to greek and CIM all captured in glorious HD Video..lol. Worth every centavo.

Questor55

04-11-12, 22:14

Stroker Ace88

04-12-12, 05:40

[SNIP] OTOH, I've been getting huge initial requests from provincial girls in the last year. 5k. 7k. 10k, and 20k. The view that we are walking ATM's is endemic.I see someone is training for the DIA marathon. *big grin smiley*

X Man

04-12-12, 12:18

Red Kilt started this conversation and there's been mostly good info. My two yen.

Last month I negotiated an EDSA gal down to 1k and she stayed all night. In the end I fed her a midnight snack and breakfast, and added some small bills for taxi, so I was at about the 1. 5k that RK suggests. I should warn newbies that this is below what EDSA girls expect.

She had small breasts and, according to her, she'd worked there a week, needed money, and no one was bfing her because of her itty bitty titties. I might add that there were stretch marks, but she had a pretty face. She was also charming and had enough English to keep me interested.

About five years ago the fine body of one of my EDSA girls graced the ISG photo thread. 1k and she stayed three days. Later, she found a fiance, but I fkd her again in her province. Again 1k, and she gave me good advice about an online gal,"the girl giving you the virgin story is bola bola." So I invited the "virg" to Bohol and and sure enough she fkd me silly. The last I heard from the EDSA treasure, she was working in a fast food restaurant somewhere in the US of A.

One of my favorite little girls from an Erik bar in Cebu is not working now. She demands 3k if we meet again. Orig. I paid barfine and 1k and got some nice pics. I tried to reason with her, but she just got abusive. But two or three times a week I get the ymess ding from her. I did her sis too, but she was worthless. WR, you remember those two at the opening party of Red Lips?

I'm starting to ramble, better quit now. X

Fastpiston

04-12-12, 22:58

It looks at first glance that Cebu Pacific really ripped off GE for his 1, 000 peso fare to be inflated to 8, 000. I find it hard to believe.

When I am in the Phils, I fly Cebu Pacific much more than the other airlines, because of its better scheduling. The model that Cebu Pacific is using is pretty standard for all low cost discount airlines. That is, you initially pay for the seat, and that is all that you get. If you want more, then you pay for it. So if you are prepared to fly with only carry-on baggage, and sit where the computer puts you, and neither eat nor drink, then you do travel cheaply. If you want the extras, then the price rises.

However, at no time does the airline deliberately hide the costs that you are incurring. And at one point, it asks you to verify the data so far.

Also, the airline provides seats at a sliding scale of prices. If you book far enough ahead, you get seats at the lowest prices. As these are all sold, then the next seats are sold at the next highest price. Etc. If you book a day or two in advance, it is likely that you will be paying the full fare. There are lots of bargains out there for the flyer who can plan and book well in advance, and is prepared to fly "bare bones".

It seems to me that maybe GE has made his reservation in the same way that he has done in the past with full fare carriers, like PAL. These carriers assume that you want everything, and charge you accordingly. So if you are not carrying any baggage, you are still charged for it. If you do not want to eat or drink, too bad, you already pay for it. Etc etc.

So maybe GE was not paying careful attention to what was happening with his fare, and was not carefully reading the questions that he was being asked about which add-ons he did or did not want. Every step, every add-on is displayed, with the cost, and the option to buy or decline. So maybe he will be more careful next time.

However, I am pissed off at the exchange rate that the airline used. Maybe someone with some time to spare could choose one day, and go to each airline in turn and ask them what rate they are using for that day. It would be an interesting comparison. And would give some hard facts rather than our suppositions.

So maybe a good lesson for all travelers to be a bit more careful when buying tickets over the internet for a discount airline.

As an aside, Air Asia have extended that model to apply it to their chain of discount hotels. Tune Hotels. When you initially book a room, you pay a low price, but the room is all that you get, with towels and soap. If you want air conditioning, you pay. If you want TV, you pay. If you want internet, you pay. The rooms are small, immaculately clean, everything works, and the WIFI is pretty fast. And it is spreading pretty quickly across Asia. Some time ago, the CEO of Air Asia was riding with me, and he explained the business model. Pretty impressive. Starts with micro analysis of every source of costs, and devising the lowest cost way to deliver. Step by step. As he stepped me through it, I was thinking about the opposition, the full cost airlines. They are actually astonishingly wasteful, and the customer is paying for the waste.

Enough from me,

G.I bought a Cebu Pacific ticket with a foreign credit card at the ticket office at Manila terminal 3. I was pleased that the staff asked if I would like to be charged in Peso or US Dollars (I have a US Dollar credit card). I of course said pay in Peso as that means that the exchange rate is not determined by Cebu Pacific, but my the card issuing bank. It is now common, especially in Thailand, to try and charge in the foreign currency. In that case the seller side establishes a usually rubbish rate. Conclusion: when you had over your credit card for any major purchase, emphasize that you want to be card charged in LOCAL CURRENCY.

Punter 127

04-13-12, 00:49

This is based on Cebu, Davao, and smaller provincial cities, for chatmates and mall pick-ups. Keep in mind, always, what the average daily wage is for regular jobs. One girl was working in an internet cafe. Wage was 100 pesos per day! She thought the 500 I gave her was a fortune. Very eager for return engagements. Several pairs I've met at Ayala were also quite willing to accept 1000 for the two of them for ST. These were unemployed provincial girls visiting for a few days and staying with 'aunty'. Regular pay for most employed girls will range from 150. 300 pesos per day. Maximum I will offer is 1000 P.I think your numbers are very rationalistic and reasonable for non-bar girls. Does anybody think the guys that hand the girl 1500p get any better service? I suspect they are being laughed at and labeled suckers, they might even get lackluster service because the girls view them as easy. Just MHO.

I should note that I don't go to Manila much but I've had several girls from Manila, and I've had my share of girls in Pampanga, Angeles area which I consider 'near Manila.' The last bar girl I did in Angeles (after hours) I only gave 1000p and I had to kick her out about noon. BTW she's still texting me wanting to know when I will return. So for me 1500p just seems a bit over the top.

Slippery

04-13-12, 02:15

I think your numbers are very rationalistic and reasonable for non-bar girls. Does anybody think the guys that hand the girl 1500p get any better service? I suspect they are being laughed at and labeled suckers, they might even get lackluster service because the girls view them as easy. Just MHO.

I should note that I don't go to Manila much but I've had several girls from Manila, and I've had my share of girls in Pampanga, Angeles area which I consider 'near Manila. ' The last bar girl I did in Angeles (after hours) I only gave 1000p and I had to kick her out about noon. BTW she's still texting me wanting to know when I will return. So for me 1500p just seems a bit over the top.Yeah, that's about $11. 00 more. I don't know how long I could hang around at that price. If I had to worry about $11.00 a night, I wouldn't even frigg'n go there. WTF??

Red Kilt

04-13-12, 03:28

. .

I should note that I don't go to Manila much but I've had several girls from Manila, and I've had my share of girls in Pampanga, Angeles area which I consider 'near Manila. ' The last bar girl I did in Angeles (after hours) I only gave 1000p and I had to kick her out about noon. BTW she's still texting me wanting to know when I will return. So for me 1500p just seems a bit over the top.My point was that 1500 php is a FAIR price for services given.

It is not fair to equate payment for using a woman's body for sex to the pay scales for domestic workers or shop assistants or building site laborers as a few posters seem to want to do. I don't view the transaction in quite the same way.

My original post was seeking to establish a median price that is a fair exchange for services.

I acknowledged that some of you will barter desperate girls down to 1000 or 500 php or even only a Jollibee Happy Meal but, for me, that is taking advantage of a desperate girl's plight.

I feel comfortable in my own mind knowing that I am not under-paying her when I give 1500 php, especially as I can afford it.

Questor55

04-13-12, 03:31

Yeah, that's about $11. 00 more. I don't know how long I could hang around at that price. If I had to worry about $11.00 a night, I wouldn't even frigg'n go there. WTF??Slippery seems to be deliberately missing the point. His WTF retort lacks any attempt to respond rationally. In any case, by referring to $11 US he is obviously thinking of American values with an American mindset in a country with a totally different system of values and VALUE. Think like a Yank, act like a Yank, then PAY like a Yank! Reminds me of that WW II joke about American troops in England."Over sexed, over paid and over here!" Enjoy your inflated bonkfest, Slippery.

Punter 127

04-13-12, 03:45

Yeah, that's about $11.00 more. I don't know how long I could hang around at that price.Dude I don't 'go there' I live in the Philippines and I don't live here on the company dime or have an expense account. I live here on a fixed income and $11.00 is important to me, and it would be even if I had unlimited funds. You see I was taught to respect money and not waste it. It's not about the amount of money, it about having respect for money.

If I had to worry about $11. 00 a night, I wouldn't even frigg'n go there. WTF??Sounds good to me, I sincerely hope $11.00 become important to you in the very near future, we'll miss you, that's WTF!!!

Punter 127

04-13-12, 03:52

My point was that 1500 php is a FAIR price for services given.

It is not fair to equate payment for using a woman's body for sex to the pay scales for domestic workers or shop assistants or building site laborers as a few posters seem to want to do. I don't view the transaction in quite the same way.

My original post was seeking to establish a median price that is a fair exchange for services.

I acknowledged that some of you will barter desperate girls down to 1000 or 500 php or even only a Jollibee Happy Meal but, for me, that is taking advantage of a desperate girl's plight.

I feel comfortable in my own mind knowing that I am not under-paying her when I give 1500 php, especially as I can afford it.I understand your thinking and appreciate the fact that you're willing to share your good fortune. But aren't you "taking advantage of a desperate girl's plight" (as we all do) regardless of the amount you pay her?

Pute Nut

04-13-12, 04:01

$11.00 is important to me, and it would be even if I had unlimited funds. You see I was taught to respect money and not waste it. It's not about the amount of money, it about having respect for money.Ditto that, and let's also keep in mind that the amount equals 5 days' wages for many sales ladies.

Slippery

04-13-12, 19:58

There is a distinction between between respecting money and being a wastrel as there also is between respecting money and being a Cheap Charlie. You live on a fixed income. I don't. I financed and paid for my universtity and post-grad education. You don't think I sacrificed for that and don't know the value of money? That was 8 frigg'and years of my life and 8 frigg'and years of sacrifice and then another 10 years after that to pay it all off. Other than dinner and drinks, I don't pay for pussy, period. The last time I did that was so long ago that the statute of limitations on it has already run. Apparently you are too cheap to do dinner and drinks. Perhaps you don't even have the social skills to do that. If a date is going to cost 1,500 php for dinner and drinks and then back to my place, I don't really care. A good time was had by all. If a cabbie tries to clip me for 500 php on the way home, I certainly do care. I travel and pay for lodging and incidentals on my own dime and not somebody else's. No company pays for those and I have no expense account.

I am either regretfully or fortunately still working. My income is not fixed. It fluctuates. It can go anywhere from zero to thousands a week. I don't know anything about managing money after nearly 30 years of that? I certainly do, however, unlike you, I am not a cheap bastard.

Punter 127

04-13-12, 21:10

Other than dinner and drinks, I don't pay for pussy, period. The last time I did that was so long ago that the statute of limitations on it has already run. Apparently you are too cheap to do dinner and drinks. Perhaps you don't even have the social skills to do that. If a date is going to cost 1,500 php for dinner and drinks and then back to my place, I don't really care. [snip]The subject here is paying for pussy not dating.
This is a mongers forum, if you're not a monger why are you here?
Just for the pleasure you seem to get from insulting and antagonizing perhaps?

If you're not a monger then you're a civilian, and we don't need civilians telling mongers how much we should pay for pussy.

I certainly do, however, unlike you, I am not a cheap bastard. [snip]I don't dispute that your not cheap, but the 'bastard' part, well that's very disputable!

Golfinho

04-14-12, 00:50

Ditto that, and let's also keep in mind that the amount equals 5 days' wages for many sales ladies.Many good-loooking, or many slippery-looking sales ladies? There's the difference, keep that in mind.

Slippery

04-14-12, 02:42

The subject here is paying for pussy not dating.

This is a mongers forum, if you're not a monger why are you here?

Just for the pleasure you seem to get from insulting and antagonizing perhaps?

If you're not a monger then you're a civilian, and we don't need civilians telling mongers how much we should pay for pussy.

I don't dispute that your not cheap, but the 'bastard' part, well that's very disputable!Thank you for enlightening some of us regarding what you purport to be the sole purpose of this board. If Jackson wanted to limit it to the purpose that purpose, there would not be a couple of dozen topics ranging from hotels to restaurants, living in the Phils, opinions and advice, politics, etc. Apologies about the "cheap bastard" remark. Cheap Charlie may have been better put.

Probably best to leave the 500 php pissing match alone now.

Chocha Monger

04-14-12, 04:44

The subject here is paying for pussy not dating.

This is a mongers forum, if you're not a monger why are you here?

Just for the pleasure you seem to get from insulting and antagonizing perhaps?

If you're not a monger then you're a civilian, and we don't need civilians telling mongers how much we should pay for pussy.

I don't dispute that your not cheap, but the 'bastard' part, well that's very disputable!I've heard about speculators driving up prices in the oil and housing markets but this is the first time I've heard about non-mongers driving up prices on the pussy market by speculating on how much mongers should pay for pussy. LOL

X Man

04-14-12, 14:44

Do I have to be a monger or a civilian? I'm not even sure what that means Punter. When I hear monger, I only think "fish monger".

I'm not really sure what you guys are disagreeing about. 1.5k is low ball in Mnl (depending on the venue) , but quite a hefty tip just an hour north in AC. Hell, you can find a pretty big range from one end of Fields in Ac to the other end of the same street with the differnet name. Perimeter.

I'm a regular visitor and I get some damn good lovin. And I envy you guys who live in P. Nevertheless, if someone is on a biz trip and has a few free hours on Burgos. 5k might seem like a bargain. It's all relative.

If anyone would like to bare their souls, what is the most you paid, or the least? (free?). Or more interesting is what is the least you piad (cheap charlie or just absent minded) and REGRETTED it. Conversly, what is the most you paid and realized it was poor value or you were duped. X.

The subject here is paying for pussy not dating.

This is a mongers forum, if you're not a monger why are you here?

Just for the pleasure you seem to get from insulting and antagonizing perhaps?

If you're not a monger then you're a civilian, and we don't need civilians telling mongers how much we should pay for pussy.

I don't dispute that your not cheap, but the 'bastard' part, well that's very disputable!

Punter 127

04-14-12, 15:22

Thank you for enlightening some of us regarding what you purport to be the sole purpose of this board. If Jackson wanted to limit it to the purpose that purpose, there would not be a couple of dozen topics ranging from hotels to restaurants, living in the Phils, opinions and advice, politics, etc.I didn't say it was the 'sole purpose' and I would never claim to speak for Jackson but I think it's safe to say that those threads are spin-offs and not part of the primary purpose of the forum. Perhaps you should RTFF starting with 'The Purpose of the Forum'.

Ever seen this?

Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You!

http://www.internatonalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=custompages_postingadvisories#100I don't think he's talking about the dating.

Apologies about the "cheap bastard" remark. Cheap Charlie may have been better put.I would like to accept your apology and move on but it comes across rather faint hearted, and it's to little to late. I find 'Cheap Charlie' just as offensive as 'Cheap Bastard, ' especially coming from a guy that admits he has no mongering experience!

Probably best to leave the 500 php pissing match alone now.You should have left it alone to begin with considering you have NO experience. It's rude, crass Americans like you that give the rest of us a bad name. I hate rude people, and it's really a shame that even with all your higher education you didn't learn about manners.

In the future I hope you will offer something of substance and refrain from attacking other members.

Nuff said.

Punter 127

04-14-12, 15:55

Do I have to be a monger or a civilian? I'm not even sure what that means Punter. When I hear monger, I only think "fish monger". [snip]Monger can be found in the 'Forum Abbreviations' list.

Monger
"Short for W h o r e monger. One who frequents prostitutes."

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=custompages_abbreviations

Civilian can also be found in the Abbreviations list, however in this case the following definition would apply.

Civilian.

'Anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc, as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider:'

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civilian

GoodEnough

04-14-12, 16:33

Monger can be found in the 'Forum Abbreviations' list.

Monger.

"Short for W h o are e monger. One who frequents prostitutes."

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/custompages.php?pageid=custompages_abbreviations

Civilian can also be found in the Abbreviations list, however in this case the following definition would apply.

Civilian.

'Anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc, as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider:'

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/civilianThe bottom line? If you've got to ask in which category you belong, you're a civilian.

Frenzy3

04-14-12, 18:18

Yeah, that's about $11. 00 more. I don't know how long I could hang around at that price. If I had to worry about $11.00 a night, I wouldn't even frigg'n go there. WTF??It is 50% so $11 counts here, I can feed 8 girls for $2 that is 6 meals, I pay 500 peso for girls so to me 1500 is 300% what I pay.

Frenzy3

04-14-12, 18:27

There is a distinction between between respecting money and being a wastrel as there also is between respecting money and being a Cheap Charlie. You live on a fixed income. I don't. I financed and paid for my universtity and post-grad education. You don't think I sacrificed for that and don't know the value of money? That was 8 frigg'and years of my life and 8 frigg'and years of sacrifice and then another 10 years after that to pay it all off. Other than dinner and drinks, I don't pay for pussy, period. The last time I did that was so long ago that the statute of limitations on it has already run. Apparently you are too cheap to do dinner and drinks. Perhaps you don't even have the social skills to do that. If a date is going to cost 1, 500 php for dinner and drinks and then back to my place, I don't really care. A good time was had by all. If a cabbie tries to clip me for 500 php on the way home, I certainly do care. I travel and pay for lodging and incidentals on my own dime and not somebody else's. No company pays for those and I have no expense account.

I am either regretfully or fortunately still working. My income is not fixed. It fluctuates. It can go anywhere from zero to thousands a week. I don't know anything about managing money after nearly 30 years of that? I certainly do, however, unlike you, I am not a cheap bastard.WOW you really get worked up. BTW any day you are making more than zero, you are getting over paid.

I did not bother to read the history but why spend 1500 on dinner when the girls want money, unless you are going to marry them do not date them for sex, even old fat men like me can get free pussy here lying to girls with dinner dates. But you will get more sex and better looking girls if you just hand over the cash and P4P.

Bellow are my paid sex girls

Fast Buck Artist

04-15-12, 07:20

I can feed 8 girls for $2 that is 6 mealsOK I am not going to ask what are you feeding them haha

Frenzy3

04-15-12, 14:12

OK I am not going to ask what are you feeding them hahaGinaling, mongoes, bambe are some of the cebu dishes, I pay $2 and rice and it feeds 8, I can also buy a whole chicken for $3. I admit my girls do not each much that's why I like skinny

D Cups

04-15-12, 15:12

WOW you really get worked up. BTW any day you are making more than zero, you are getting over paid.

I did not bother to read the history but why spend 1500 on dinner when the girls want money, unless you are going to marry them do not date them for sex, even old fat men like me can get free pussy here lying to girls with dinner dates. But you will get more sex and better looking girls if you just hand over the cash and P4P.

Bellow are my paid sex girlsNice pics, Frenzy. Thanks. Sometimes it's nice to treat the girls to a dinner but in general I agree.

WhatsUrName

04-15-12, 19:30

Hi All,

First, I wanted to send a shout out to GE. Thank you, GE, for your wisdom and guidance on these boards. I, for one, look forward to your posts, and I do appreciate your prior responses to my questions.

I have a question about the "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" laws in the Philippines. This entire conversation assumes we are talking about women over the age of 18. I wanted to post the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws for your review:

http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno9208.html

For the record, I am personally safe and sound in the US, and not currently in trouble with Filipino law. I want to educate myself and my fellow hobbyists on this board about the relevant laws of the Philipppines. I realize that you guys are not Filipino lawyers. Neither am I. However, we are mostly business persons and we do now how to read the law and share viewpoints in the spirit of keeping our brothers out of trouble.

My question is: How do I conduct my affairs with regard to ADULT filipinas and prostitution so as to minimize my criminal liablity with respect to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws? If I am simply a "John" (end user of an act of prostitution) at MBC, Edsa Entertainment Complex, P. Burgos, or of the other hundreds of bars in areas outside of Manila, I think I am pretty much OK, even though the law does call for a maximum fine of 2 million pesos. However, if I in am Frenzy3's situation, do the same laws apply? I will humbly admit that I do not know the details of Frenzy3's "arrangement", but I am concerned if Section 5 (a) applies (which carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 15 years in prison). What if I fly a girl in from the provinces to spend time with me in Manila, is that trafficking?

I can appreciate the fact that there are people in the Philippines whose profession is taking advantage of young, poverty stricken women. I've read the horror stories about filipinas who have found themselves in some pretty dire straits, often in foreign countries, often as the result of promises that were untrue from the onset. One example is the "Come be a maid in Indonesia" scams, where they take their passport upon arrival and then force them into Prostitution, charging them a small fortune for their room and board.

I have asked qualified people who work in Law Enforcement and criminal defense in the Philippines on this matter, and the responses that I have received thus far is that the dividing line is whether or not you are trying to make money exploiting Filipinas. If you are simply the end user of an act of prostitution, then this is a lesser crime. However, if you are trying to make money from sex acts of a filipina, you are opening up a whole new world of stiffer criminal sanctions, some of which have minimum mandatory life prison sentences. There was a Swede who received a life sentence last year in CDO for engaging in a webcam syndicate. The law does inded require a life sentence. Section 10 (see) says "Shall receive a life sentence", not "may receive a life sentence". The difference between "Shall" and "may" is a very big difference.

Please keep in mind what my question is and IS NOT. I am NOT asking what I should do if I get hassled by a crooked cop on the way back from MBC with a girl in tow. I am asking specifically about the "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws" vs a normal action of prostitution.

Here is how Filipono law defines Trafficking:

(a) Trafficking in Persons. Refers to the recruitment, transportation, transfer or harboring, or receipt of persons with or without the victim's consent or knowledge, within or across national borders by means of threat or use of force, or other forms of coercion, abduction, fraud, deception, abuse of power or of position, taking advantage of the vulnerability of the person, or, the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person for the purpose of exploitation which includes at a minimum, the exploitation or the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labor or services, slavery, servitude or the removal or sale of organs.

Thank you,

Signed,

"What your name? Where you from?"

Sabalo

04-16-12, 04:40

AfAsia

04-16-12, 07:26

Sabalo, It's not the vehicle traffic to be concerned about. Check-in can, and has taken me longer on almost every occasion. Generally, give 4 hours from hotel to boarding your flight.

Red Kilt

04-16-12, 08:34

I'm leaving for Manila in a weeks time-I'm staying 3 nightsatNew World then flying to Cebu on Friday. I know the traffic is brutal in Manila and was wondering what flight departure time would be best to avoid long traffic delays.Friday is the most brutal day of all for traffic in Manila, and especially after midday until around 10pm at night.

I suggest that you book the early morning flight in order to miss most traffic.

As Noddy says, beating the traffic is only half the problem. You then have to line up for security checks and ticket check in but if you have carry-on bags with Cebu Pacific you can go to an express check-in line.

I suggest that you should leave New World Hotel around 3 hours before your flight

Econo Tech

04-16-12, 08:55

"What your name? Where you from?"Sorry to barge in. What you are forgetting is, that, Filipinos go around in banana boats, but, you don't forget that they built the boat so you are only along for a ride.

So regardless of the law, if you are in the wrong place at the wrong time, it is all against you.

Like guys who went to buy the blue pill and caught up in a raid, and were accused of being the supplier. Evidence be damned.

And guys who went to 'source' girls for their own consumption, not realising it was a trap and then they were accused of being the supplier. Not buyer.

Same goes for guys who are trying to buy narcotics and more.

And in Philippines law, anything can be trafficking. Showing off, and throwing money to make yourself as a mark would mean. You can become anybody the natives want. Including human trafficker.

With a vague law, they have even arrested bar owners under the said law, though the girls were not even under the employ of the bar, per se.

Welcome to Philippines. Fly low, and fly under the radar.

X Man

04-16-12, 13:28

Stroker Ace88

04-16-12, 16:34

Hi All,

I have a question about the "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)" laws in the Philippines. This entire conversation assumes we are talking about women over the age of 18. I wanted to post the [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws for your review:

http://www.chanrobles.com/republicactno9208.html

For the record, I am personally safe and sound in the US, and not currently in trouble with Filipino law. I want to educate myself and my fellow hobbyists on this board about the relevant laws of the Philipppines. I realize that you guys are not Filipino lawyers. Neither am I. However, we are mostly business persons and we do now how to read the law and share viewpoints in the spirit of keeping our brothers out of trouble.

My question is: How do I conduct my affairs with regard to ADULT filipinas and prostitution so as to minimize my criminal liablity with respect to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws? If I am simply a "John" (end user of an act of prostitution) at MBC, Edsa Entertainment Complex, P. Burgos, or of the other hundreds of bars in areas outside of Manila, I think I am pretty much OK, even though the law does call for a maximum fine of 2 million pesos. However, if I in am Frenzy3's situation, do the same laws apply? I will humbly admit that I do not know the details of Frenzy3's "arrangement", but I am concerned if Section 5 (a) applies (which carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 15 years in prison). What if I fly a girl in from the provinces to spend time with me in Manila, is that trafficking?

I have asked qualified people who work in Law Enforcement and criminal defense in the Philippines on this matter, and the responses that I have received thus far is that the dividing line is whether or not you are trying to make money exploiting Filipinas. If you are simply the end user of an act of prostitution, then this is a lesser crime. However, if you are trying to make money from sex acts of a filipina, you are opening up a whole new world of stiffer criminal sanctions, some of which have minimum mandatory life prison sentences. There was a Swede who received a life sentence last year in CDO for engaging in a webcam syndicate. The law does inded require a life sentence. Section 10 (see) says "Shall receive a life sentence", not "may receive a life sentence". The difference between "Shall" and "may" is a very big difference.

Please keep in mind what my question is and IS NOT. I am NOT asking what I should do if I get hassled by a crooked cop on the way back from MBC with a girl in tow. I am asking specifically about the "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws" vs a normal action of prostitution.

Here is how Filipono law defines Trafficking:

(a) Trafficking in Persons. Refers to the recruitment, transportation, transfer or harboring, or receipt of persons with or without the victim's consent or knowledge, within or across national borders by means of threat or use of force, or other forms of coercion, abduction, fraud, deception, abuse of power or of position, taking advantage of the vulnerability of the person, or, the giving or receiving of payments or benefits to achieve the consent of a person having control over another person for the purpose of exploitation which includes at a minimum, the exploitation or the prostitution of others or other forms of sexual exploitation, forced labor or services, slavery, servitude or the removal or sale of organs.

Thank you,

Signed,

"What your name? Where you from?"This guy has LE stamped on his forehead. I would strongly suggest guys steer well away.

Stroker Ace88

04-16-12, 17:20

i'm leaving for manila in a weeks time-i'm staying 3 nightsatnew world then flying to cebu on friday. i know the traffic is brutal in manila and was wondering what flight departure time would be best to avoid long traffic delays. i'm a regular in latin america and this will be my first time going to asia-just want to try something different. pm me if you like.

thanks guyssabalo,

the manila-cebu (or vice-versa) domestic route is the busiest in the philippines. expect long check-in lines with plenty of passengers. get to the airport 2hrs before your flight and be prepared to wait. the manila-cebu flights that seem to be more popular are the flights early morning and mid-day. i would book a flight late morning, around 11am would be perfect. that means you avoid most of the morning manila rush-hour traffic and you get to enjoy your hotel breakfast without rushing and arrive in cebu early in the afternoon.

i think xman's comments are spot on. sometimes there are long lines at naia, sometimes almost empty. same as manila traffic, sometimes its a nightmare, other times it moves at various rates of speed but atleast you feel like the taxi is making progress. ymmv.

Gangles

04-16-12, 18:12

This is almost certainly not the best place to post this report from the most recent Durex Survey of sex behaviour.

" A similar Durex survey released last year also showed a decline in sexual activity in China. Thirty-nine percent of respondents said they were sexually inactive, a 15-percentage point increase from 2006.

The problem is worse for heterosexual women than for men in Hong Kong due to cultural issues tied to status and wealth, and social expectations about the role of women, said Dr Petula Ho, a sexologist from the University of Hong Kong.

Making matters worse for women, they vastly outnumber men in Hong Kong. There is less than one man for every 1. 2 women between the ages of 20 and 39, according to official figures from last year.

"Straight women in Hong Kong are in poverty in terms of sex. They have few sexual possibilities and options. Even if you're a male truck driver, you can find a woman in rural China," Ho said." So there you have it. Easy picking in Honkers.

G

AfAsia

04-16-12, 19:04

Apparently I've had very good luck my last three or four trips. As for check in, it may depend on the airline. I've walked into the terminal and been horrified at the long lines. Quite a relief when stepped into a much shorter line for my particular flight / airline.

What destination / airline do you usually use Noddy? I'm usually flying in Asia, and using Asian / Japanese airlines.KLM Royal Dutch, from Europe return. Or Cebu Pacific from Bankok return. It always is a long queue, such that I always give it 4hrs. One thing I would never do, is allow too little time, missing a flight is not something I would want at any time. Had a close call once with Ryan Air return from Agadir, Morocco to London. Check-in sent me to two long seperate queues in order to pay HIDDEN COSTS. I will never fly Ryan Air again. Cheap prices but high stress levels, not worth it in the end. To add to this I would not return to Morocco either.

Chocha Monger

04-16-12, 20:55

My question is: How do I conduct my affairs with regard to ADULT filipinas and prostitution so as to minimize my criminal liablity with respect to [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) laws? If I am simply a "John" (end user of an act of prostitution) at MBC, Edsa Entertainment Complex, P. Burgos, or of the other hundreds of bars in areas outside of Manila, I think I am pretty much OK, even though the law does call for a maximum fine of 2 million pesos. However, if I in am Frenzy3's situation, do the same laws apply? I will humbly admit that I do not know the details of Frenzy3's "arrangement", but I am concerned if Section 5 (a) applies (which carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 15 years in prison). What if I fly a girl in from the provinces to spend time with me in Manila, is that trafficking?Are you a 'rich' foreigner there to sex impoverished Filipinas in and out of the bars? If yes, then you can be charged with [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). It all depends on who you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off and / or how much they believe they can get out of you. If you're really unlucky like the Swedes then the prosecutor might use you to make a political statement. The wording of the law ensures that the net can be cast very broadly. If you choose to swim in those seas the possibly of ending up in some Filipino's frying pan is always a real possibility. Your status as a foreigner with the means to travel automatically puts you in a position of economic power relative to the girls you target for sex. The fact that that girl works in a bar doesn't offer automatic protection. In fact, the prosecutor can use her occupation to classify her as a vulnerable person. However, it is unlikely that they will go after you for a bar girl because the bar owners have paid off the pertinent authorities or might even be part of the political structure themselves.

Are you offering girls without bar affiliation material enticements to have sex with you and transporting them to the sex venue? That pretty much speaks for itself. If the girl and / or her family are in collusion with the local authorities to put you in a sweltering overcrowded prison cell where you shit in a bucket with an audience making an argument that you're simply an end user is not going to help you. Even if you didn't give a girl a dime, if she claims that you made fraudulent promises of marriage in order to gain sexual access to her it could even very badly for you. In the Philippines the laws on the books are interpreted and applied very differently when a foreigner is being prosecuted. It would be a mistake to assume that they offer any protection to a foreigner. What's your game?

Frenzy3

04-16-12, 21:02

I will humbly admit that I do not know the details of Frenzy3's "arrangement", but I am concerned if Section 5 (a) applies (which carries a minimum mandatory sentence of 15 years in prison). What if I fly a girl in from the provinces to spend time with me in Manila, is that trafficking?None of my girls are from dirt poor families they come from educated and well off families, the laws are here to protect the poor, so pay the girls for sex make sure they are not desperate, if she asks for more pay and decide if you want to see her again.

I have had the police visit me a few times, so never think you are immune, they ask the girls about their families and why they live with me. I even had a ex go to the police and say I make porno films, hence you never see me post a naked photo with a girl you can I'd.

As for my arrangement I am happy so are my girls and any who I see.

Member #4351

04-16-12, 23:17

This guy has LE stamped on his forehead. I would strongly suggest guys steer well away.Or NGO parasite.

WhatsUrName

04-17-12, 02:18

Are you a 'rich' foreigner there to sex impoverished Filipinas in and out of the bars? If yes, then you can be charged with [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). It all depends on who you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off and / or how much they believe they can get out of you. If you're really unlucky like the Swedes then the prosecutor might use you to make a political statement. The wording of the law ensures that the net can be cast very broadly. If you choose to swim in those seas the possibly of ending up in some Filipino's frying pan is always a real possibility. Your status as a foreigner with the means to travel automatically puts you in a position of economic power relative to the girls you target for sex. The fact that that girl works in a bar doesn't offer automatic protection. In fact, the prosecutor can use her occupation to classify her as a vulnerable person. However, it is unlikely that they will go after you for a bar girl because the bar owners have paid off the pertinent authorities or might even be part of the political structure themselves.

Are you offering girls without bar affiliation material enticements to have sex with you and transporting them to the sex venue? That pretty much speaks for itself. If the girl and / or her family are in collusion with the local authorities to put you in a sweltering overcrowded prison cell where you shit in a bucket with an audience making an argument that you're simply an end user is not going to help you. Even if you didn't give a girl a dime, if she claims that you made fraudulent promises of marriage in order to gain sexual access to her it could even very badly for you. In the Philippines the laws on the books are interpreted and applied very differently when a foreigner is being prosecuted. It would be a mistake to assume that they offer any protection to a foreigner. What's your game?Thank you CM. I knew that I could count on you for the Worst case scenario. LOL.

That is my belief as well. If LE really has it in for you, they will get you one way or another, especially if you are a rich foreigner. The law is indeed written so broadly as to catch just about anyone. That fact alone is part of the reason for my post. After reading what the law says. Should I be a little more paranoid? It seems like everything I do is covered in some part of the Trafficking laws. Is there some way to prioritize these sins in order of "ways to make yourself look good in front of a judge"?

I am not LE or a part of an NGO, but what difference does that make? You should assume that the most bloodthirsty, foreigner-hating, bible-banging do-gooder is reading and cataloging everything you write. Not only each post, but the chain of posts as well. If you publicly post that you are breaking the law 6 months ago, and then announce your travel plans, then you are openning yourself up to to trouble. Be very careful of what you confess to on these boards. I don't want to be overly paranoid, but I myself have done some pretty dumb things that in retrospect, I won't do again. Per a prior post of mine, I went to a go-go bar in CDO, and then went back to the Malberry and wrote all about it, including how much I paid, where I was and where I had been. I won't do that again. Be very, very careful, my brothers. For every person that is posting, please realize that there are 20, 30, or 40 people who are non-paying members who can read everything your write. Forever. Your habits of bashing newbies trying to make a substantive post does not help.

May I suggest that you all use the term "women" and not "girls". I hate to be technical, but it is important. I know this sounds stupid but the reality is what it is. Let's call them Bar-women for giggles.

I would agree with David_33 that, at leat on these boards, you should worry about do-gooders from NGOs more than PH LE. PH Le simply lacks the resources to pay people to sit around and surf the web. Considering the widespread Shabu epidemic in PH, they have their hands full. If it is not an internal matter, then External LE from other countries are riding their ass for information, especially the FBI for terrorism info. Its the Christians that have a team of do-gooders on standby with an abundance of time to read each and every post of yours that you should worry about.

Frenzy3, I apologize for calling you up as an example. I think a lot of guys envy your situation; I know I do. It was only after the fact that I considered the positition that I put you in. Please be careful. It doesn't matter whether if it is consentual or not.

If anyone wants to PM me privately about a legal matter, I am all ears. I am not an attorney, but I will listen and tell you what I think. This board needs someone to focus on Filipino trafficking laws, and how to keep mongers out of trouble. Maybe when I retire to Davao someday, I'll sign up for Law School and become a lawyer specializing in keeping you fuckers out of trouble. If I can fill a role here, I volunteer. I don't know much, but I am willing to specialize.

Signed,

"What your Name, where you from?"

Econo Tech

04-17-12, 04:42

If anyone wants to PM me privately about a legal matter, I am all ears. I am not an attorney, but I will listen and tell you what I think. This board needs someone to focus on Filipino trafficking laws, and how to keep mongers out of trouble. Maybe when I retire to Davao someday, I'll sign up for Law School and become a lawyer specializing in keeping you fuckers out of trouble. If I can fill a role here, I volunteer. I don't know much, but I am willing to specialize.

Signed,

"What your Name, where you from?"I beg to differ. Nobody can save anybody, when you are a target. And have seen enough like that. If not for the pretty and sweet people of Philippines, it would have gone off the radar a long time ago. Well, I have a lot of native friends, who would take a bullet for me, but, they also know that there is a point where jungle laws take precedence.

And, well, become a lawyer? I know it sounds rude, but, in Philippines, don't' try to do anything, if you want to protect your hide. Even if you are a do-gooder, some other self-declared local do-gooder will feel threatened and may bump you off. No kidding. Including volunteering. As a good friend learnt the hard way. When a local strong man felt the volunteer was stepping over his patch. Play safe, fly low. To live and have fun.

Pita123

04-17-12, 04:48

Member #4351

04-17-12, 05:26

Red Kilt

04-17-12, 06:49

Never been to the Phillipines but will spend next week in Manila at the Crowne Plaza. Considering that the next week is the May Day holiday in both PI and Singapore, where I'm based, I'm considering taking Minday off and turning it into a long weekend. Two mates are considering joining. I'm thinking about Davao vs. Angeles vs. Cebu. I've read lots of good stuff about Davao from GE and others, but my mates are into beer bars and pool halls. Any input?

Taking into account the recent discussion, how long should I plan to take from the Crowne Plaza to the airport / flight on a Friday?I live near Crowne Plaza. I always allow 3 hours from home to airport at ANY time. Fridays after around 1 pm get very busy. You need a minimum of 3 hours. 4 would be secure.

WhatsUrName

04-17-12, 07:01

"What your Name, where you from?, this seems to follow the Furryfriend paranoiac scam postings. I would like to know about anyone who has gotten in trouble due to these laws. One only reads about foreigners like the Swedes or the guy who was filming the girls doing cat fights. That is to say; high profile uncommon activities. So why start looking for problems where they don't exist. I would venture to say that if these laws were enforced 95% of Philippine men would be behind bars.David_33, I am simply trying to contribute to the boards in a meaningful way. If you do not like my post, then please put me on your ignore list.

Good luck with everything.

Buko Max

04-17-12, 07:31

So why start looking for problems where they don't exist. I would venture to say that if these laws were enforced 95% of Philippine men would be behind bars.Many of the fear mongers who post in these threads have little or no experience in the P. I. They have no clue how it is in reality and are here to spread their delusional propaganda! Get a Life!

WhatsUrName

04-17-12, 11:37

"What your Name, where you from?, this seems to follow the Furryfriend paranoiac scam postings. I would like to know about anyone who has gotten in trouble due to these laws. One only reads about foreigners like the Swedes or the guy who was filming the girls doing cat fights. That is to say; high profile uncommon activities. So why start looking for problems where they don't exist. I would venture to say that if these laws were enforced 95% of Philippine men would be behind bars.You guys are absolutely correct. Since you seem to speak for everyone on these boards. No one wants to hear about something silly like the Traffficking laws of the Phillippines. Lets get back to something I am sure everyone wants to talk about. Malls

WhatsUrName

04-17-12, 11:46

Many of the fear mongers who post in these threads have little or no experience in the P. I. They have no clue how it is in reality and are here to spread their delusional propaganda! Get a Life!Then Mattick, why don't you enlighten us? Tell us about your reality. Please call upon your vast contacts and perhaps give us a primer on Philippino Sex Traffiicking laws. I for one would like to know what the laws are.

So let me see if I understand. Giving a primer on Philipino Sex Trafficking laws is fear mongering? Is that what you mean?

WhatsUrName

04-17-12, 12:30

Not sure if this has been posted before, but.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-06-29/australian-facing-life-for-[CodeWord909] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord909)/2776872

One thing interesting is what the lady said at the very end of the article:

". It is easy for criminals to buy their way out.

"They get out on bail, they pay the victims and the victims' families off to withdraw evidence and then they move from the Philippines to Thailand, Cambodia, Laos, wherever and just set up again,"

GoodEnough

04-17-12, 12:49

Never been to the Phillipines but will spend next week in Manila at the Crowne Plaza. Considering that the next week is the May Day holiday in both PI and Singapore, where I'm based, I'm considering taking Minday off and turning it into a long weekend. Two mates are considering joining. I'm thinking about Davao vs. Angeles vs. Cebu. I've read lots of good stuff about Davao from GE and others, but my mates are into beer bars and pool halls. Any input?

Taking into account the recent discussion, how long should I plan to take from the Crowne Plaza to the airport / flight on a Friday?If your friends are into beer bars and pool halls, I'd suggest that they might be happier in Manila or Cebu. Davao is a great place, but it takes a while to get to know it, and there aren't nearly as many venues for easy pick-ups as you'll find in the aforementioned cities. As I've often reported, and as echoes by my friend Barba, Davao is not a very good P4P destination, and anyone coming here for that opportunity should probably have second thoughts.

GE

Frenzy3

04-17-12, 16:24

Frenzy3, I apologize for calling you up as an example. I think a lot of guys envy your situation; I know I do. It was only after the fact that I considered the positition that I put you in. Please be careful. It doesn't matter whether if it is consentual or not.

If anyone wants to PM me privately about a legal matter, I am all ears. I am not an attorney, but I will listen and tell you what I think. This board needs someone to focus on Filipino trafficking laws, and how to keep mongers out of trouble. Maybe when I retire to Davao someday, I'll sign up for Law School and become a lawyer specializing in keeping you fuckers out of trouble. If I can fill a role here, I volunteer. I don't know much, but I am willing to specialize.I am always learning here in cebu, I had many mishaps and even now I am facing a situation where the police need to be involved, it not my fault or something i have done, so my advice is this " if a local tells you not to do it, do not do it" I have banned some girls from coming to my house as my neighbors have complained, they are wrong but I am not a local so I am not going to argue

Wicked Roger

04-17-12, 17:10

I'm leaving for Manila in a weeks time-I'm staying 3 nightsatNew World then flying to Cebu on Friday. I know the traffic is brutal in Manila and was wondering what flight departure time would be best to avoid long traffic delays. I'm a regular in Latin America and this will be my first time going to Asia-just want to try something different. Pm me if you like.

Thanks GuysA bit late on the reply, but RK and others have given good advice. Morning flight preferred and tell the taxi you will take Skyway and pay the toll. Much easier.

If you are flying Cebu Pacific the wait to get into Terminal 3 can be terrible as can check in. Especially Fridays. A few times in the past I have spent an hour waiting in line which would normally be much faster in other airports. Mainly because they write things out, staple things together and let idiot passengers with significantly overweight luggage hold everyone up while they rearrange the bags at the counter (rather than tell them to bugger off and repack elsewhere and come back later as there are other passengers waiting!)

PAL is at Centennial and be faster for check IMHO but I prefer CPac

Mc Don

04-17-12, 18:02

I beg to differ. Nobody can save anybody, when you are a target. And have seen enough like that. If not for the pretty and sweet people of Philippines, it would have gone off the radar a long time ago. Well, I have a lot of native friends, who would take a bullet for me, but, they also know that there is a point where jungle laws take precedence.

And, well, become a lawyer? I know it sounds rude, but, in Philippines, don't' try to do anything, if you want to protect your hide. Even if you are a do-gooder, some other self-declared local do-gooder will feel threatened and may bump you off. No kidding. Including volunteering. As a good friend learnt the hard way. When a local strong man felt the volunteer was stepping over his patch. Play safe, fly low. To live and have fun.Agree 100, fly under the rader, be on the move and what frenzy said before when a local tells you don't do it. Don't. No matter how right you are. There is simply no need to get into a pissing contest with some local wanker

WhatsUrName

04-18-12, 00:53

Hi Guys.

First, I want to say thank you to all of you for your posts over the years. I have been a regular reader for a long time, but only recently found the desire to actually post something. I want to contribute to these boards in a meaningful way, and I suppose part of my reluctance in doing so thus far was really not knowing how best to do that without being repetitive. Another was the knowledge that others were going to jump my shit and flame me, but, oh well."That's life in the big city".

So, I am preparing a series of posts about the Philippine legal system. These posts will all revolve around our mutual hobby, and intended to be an educational excercise in the country that many of us have come to adore. These posts are intended for others who are further along in their "Filipino experience". I personally am looking to emigrate to the Philippines in the next 5-10 years. I am still in "Learning mode", and definitely not an expert. However, I don't think I have seen many postings about the Philippine court\legal system, so this is how I choose to contribute.

Here is how I would like to break this down:

1) Introduction-This post.

2) Make up of the PH court system: What this means to you.

3) Make up of the PH Law enforcement establishment: What this means to you.

4) A discussion of the Anti-Trafficking in persons act of 2003.

For the record, I am in my early-mid forties, single with a long term Pinoy GF, a 7 on a scale of 1-10, and a middle manager living in a major Metropolitan city in the USA.

Regards,

"What your name, where you from?"

Gangles

04-18-12, 16:20

Another bunch of numbers to add to the statistical sample.

As with every trip on which I have been sexing women, I got a complete set of blood tests for every known STI.

On the last trip, I had bareback sex with 9 different women.

5 were repeats from previous visits. 4 were new ones.

Of the new ones, one was a P4P, one was a street girl, did not ask for money, but I gave her some. The remaining 2 were regular women, not P4P.

The results came back clear. Nil infections.

As usual, I asked my doc if I have any natural immunity. As usual, his response was no. But I do have indication of Hep B, which does indicate some natural immunity.

The numbers keep adding up.

He keeps shaking his head, unable to reconcile what he sees with me, and the published "facts" that he gets through his medical information systems.

There is a disconnect somewhere. It cannot be luck or chance, because my numbers are now over 400.

G

Gangles

04-18-12, 16:36

Further to my earlier post re PSA.

Whatever others have posted, in my case, the PSA numbers were very valuable.

There are three potential causes of raised PSA. BPH. Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia. Natural enlargement of the prostate. It can kill you if it gets too bad.

Prostatitis, which is an infection of the prostate.

And prostate cancer. This may be aggressive or not. If it is not aggressive, and not increasing rapidly, then just live with it, and monitor.

In my case, the PSA tests indicated that something was wrong.

I had a bunch of ultrasound scans of my prostate, which showed significant enlargement but not critical.

I had a DRE, a bit uncomfortable, but it added to the doc's understanding of what was going on.

I had a biopsy. In fact 2, 2 years apart. A bit uncomfortable, but 100% on the money. Showed I had prostatitis. So I had it fixed with a green laser prostatectomy. Easy, quick, in and out in a day. No blood, no gore, no bags.

I am shit scared of getting prostate cancer, because I have had cancer before, and once you have had it once, you are at higher risk.

I was not satisfied with the ultrasound scans that were done. From an engineering perspective, they were sure to give wrong info. So I explained it to my doc, and he agreed. So he authorised a set of "alternate" scans that showed very different results for prostate size, enlargement, and shape. But did not detract from the importance of scanning.

So all in all, I am satisfied with the conventional system, and it worked in my case.

At about the same time, I thought that it would be worthwhile to make a small flyer for guys over 50 which outlined the potential problems with the prostate, and a set of strategies to reduce, or minimise the risk of contracting prostate cancer. I formed a small consulting group, including the doc and a urologist, to put the information together.

Well, getting information about preventive strategies was like pulling teeth from a crocodile. Almost impossible. What I did get was pretty sound, but it showed that the entire medical system is not geared up for, or interested, in prevention.

G

Wicked Roger

04-22-12, 17:22

From the Cebu thread but relates to all of us in any city etc.

I know UP, the girl in question and I also know who the asshole is who did this. Hope he now pays for the girl's university fees.

The errant member has under 50 posts and is immature.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1004-General-Information&p=1272207&viewfull=1#post1272207

See what you think. This does happen, we all know this and read about it but unless the guy coughs up the tutuition fees this is really not a good one as she is pissed at UP and will likely just dump him so then what happens to her studies. Crazy.

Would love to know what the asshole has to say. Add your 50 posts (as the last one was about 5-6 months ago)

Just my two cents

WhatsUrName

04-22-12, 18:44

Stroker Ace88

04-22-12, 18:49

[SNIP]So, I am preparing a series of posts about the Philippine legal system. These posts will all revolve around our mutual hobby, and intended to be an educational excercise in the country that many of us have come to adore. These posts are intended for others who are further along in their "Filipino experience". I personally am looking to emigrate to the Philippines in the next 5-10 years. I am still in "Learning mode", and definitely not an expert. However, I don't think I have seen many postings about the Philippine court\legal system, so this is how I choose to contribute.

Here is how I would like to break this down:

1) Introduction-This post.

2) Make up of the PH court system: What this means to you.

3) Make up of the PH Law enforcement establishment: What this means to you.

4) A discussion of the Anti-Trafficking in persons act of 2003.

For the record, I am in my early-mid forties, single with a long term Pinoy GF, a 7 on a scale of 1-10, and a middle manager living in a major Metropolitan city in the USA.Have you ever visited the Philippines? Is your GF in the Philippines or USA?

If the answer is NO to the first Question, then you have no experience and zero knowledge of how things work in the Philippines with the exception of what you read online or heard from a third party and any 'advice' you want to post is worthless.

If you have some knowledge of the Philippine court system but never visited, that LE stamp on your forehead has been complimented by large flashing lights.

WhatsUrName

04-22-12, 19:11

Have you ever visited the Philippines? Is your GF in the Philippines or USA?

If the answer is NO to the first Question, then you have no experience and zero knowledge of how things work in the Philippines with the exception of what you read online or heard from a third party and any 'advice' you want to post is worthless.

If you have some knowledge of the Philippine court system but never visited, that LE stamp on your forehead has been complimented by large flashing lights.Unfortunaltely, this is what I was afraid of. My attempt at a meaningful contribution to these boards would simply result in flaming by senior members. Actually, it was a post from you, SA, from a couple of months ago that made me paranoid about posting my travel details on this board.

While I appreciate your prior posts, I would ask that you kindly put me on your ignore list.

Thanks and good luck.

Stroker Ace88

04-22-12, 19:36

Unfortunaltely, this is what I was afraid of. My attempt at a meaningful contribution to these boards would simply result in flaming by senior members. Actually, it was a post from you, SA, from a couple of months ago that made me paranoid about posting my travel details on this board.

While I appreciate your prior posts, I would ask that you kindly put me on your ignore list.

Thanks and good luck.I will take that as a "NO".

Your attempt at a MEANINGFUL contribution would only be valid if you visited the Philippines. Hmm my advice made you paranoid? Nothing to be paranoid about if you have never visited.

WhatsUrName

04-22-12, 20:10

I will take that as a "NO".

Your attempt at a MEANINGFUL contribution would only be valid if you visited the Philippines. Hmm my advice made you paranoid? Nothing to be paranoid about if you have never visited.Again, it is unfortunate that senior members choose to flame people who are trying to post something meaningful. The most cursory review of my posting history would answer his questions. SA really has no idea of anything about me, yet he chooses to flame rather than share his experience with us.

SA, does it make you feel important to be mean and hurtful? Is that why you are bashing me? I just wanted to say that I had respect for your thinking and your prior posts, until now. I still thank you for your prior posts. I regret that it is one of my prior favorite posters who turns to out to be my flamer in chief.

I can take some negative criticism. But SA, with all due respect, You are being jack-arse. Again, I would ask that you simply put me on your ignore list. Lets keep this going. I don't mind. I will be a senior member too once I hit 45 posts. Wooohooo.

WhatsUrName

04-22-12, 21:42

SA,

I apologize if I did something wrong. I do not want to be in a flame war with you. If I did something wrong, I am sorry. Can we call a cease fire and move on? Thank you in advance.

R

Chocha Monger

04-22-12, 23:39

At about the same time, I thought that it would be worthwhile to make a small flyer for guys over 50 which outlined the potential problems with the prostate, and a set of strategies to reduce, or minimise the risk of contracting prostate cancer. I formed a small consulting group, including the doc and a urologist, to put the information together.

Well, getting information about preventive strategies was like pulling teeth from a crocodile. Almost impossible. What I did get was pretty sound, but it showed that the entire medical system is not geared up for, or interested, in prevention.

GMedicine is a business and like all businesses it involves maximizing profits. Why in the world would the doctors and biomedical research companies invest in low profit preventive strategies? Preventing prostate enlargement and malignancy would be a far more effective strategy. But then would mean the loss of profits otherwise made by ordering diagnostic tests, snipping or burning out your prostate, and outfitting you with an inflatable penile implant.

Member #4491

04-23-12, 00:23

My question is: Do the Bar women profile men based on country of origin, and if so, does anyone have a "roster" that kinda spells out the percieved desirability\reputation of various nationalities from their viewpoint?Some do and some does not. No there are no such "rosters". We are all Americans. You will have to talk about yourself rather than nationalities.

Good luck with the bar girls. I am sure it will be quite simple to score, if this is your intention. They are working these, so the pickup abilities is more related to the mobility of your hand digging up cash from your deep pockets, rather than responding in a way that takes them by storm.

Keep it simple. Keep it real.

B.

Wicked Roger

04-23-12, 02:24

Chocha Monger

04-23-12, 02:54

Stroker Ace88

04-23-12, 03:22

Interesting link and read the comments.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/congress-pushes-bill-against-sexual-infidelity-131042933.html

With all the other things the country needs to fix, this is likely the most impoortant and will give the most economic benefit.

At least it stops all the FR on prostatesWR,

Interesting link. I think this proposed new bill will not get passed into law, but we shall have to wait and see. If it does pass into law the PI government will have to build 5627 new jails to house all the 'sexual offenders'. LOL.

Hmm, I wonder if 'Manny Many Prizes" will vote in favor of the new bill since he has "Manny Many GF's! *insert big grin smiley*

Frenzy3

04-23-12, 03:46

Some of your posts should be PM directed to members you think have an idea of the topic you are asking. As you can tell the cebu is a small group of regulars with a few visitors. So it easy to work who is who. Your posts also read like a guy who has never been to Cebu, so just get here and meet up, most advice you need first hand.

So try using PM first or reply via PM.

Econo Tech

04-23-12, 04:21

Guys,

I have a question about profiling foreigners by bar-women.

Just about every woman I have met in places like MBC have asked me the same introductory question about where I am from. I came to the conclusion that they are partly being friendly and socialable, and partly "profiling" me based on my country of origin. We do that here: we say that Japanese men display certain characteristics, Koreans display another set of charachteristics, etc.

My question is: Do the Bar women profile men based on country of origin, and if so, does anyone have a "roster" that kinda spells out the percieved desirability\reputation of various nationalities from their viewpoint? I am most interested in the difference between an American, an Aussie, a Brit, and a Kiwi. I already know about the Japanese\Koreans and their reputation.

Thanks in advance,

"What your name, Where your from"?If at all nothing, your post did make me smile.

Barwomen and profiling? You got to visit the Phil and see what goes in the bars. Oh, well, while I don't mean to demean Filipinas, the bar girls are a dozen mile away from being so intelligent. If so, they will be in call centers. Or working as Sales Ladies!

The questions are simply because they don't know what else to ask. And their intelligence stretches that much only.

And conversation with a majority of the filipina bar girl is as interesting as Talking to a tree. (apologies to Prince Charles.)

And sometimes it gets on your nerves if you expect a lot.

Example? Well, was trying to talk to a girl, she was giving one word answers, even though she had every intention of getting picked up by me. Until I was like "oh, you seem to be a girl of few words". And what does she say? A smart one she said."and you talk too much."

With a bit of Black Label in me, I was a bit annoyed, and I started ignoring her and she was still trying to talk to me, thinking that her words were actually meant to mean I talk a lot and not in an insulting way and then she got a friend of hers to add some reputation to her to make me take her out. It was still a no go. Until she asked me why I am snobbing her. Do I tell her? Or not. ?

And to this day, I am sure she is smart enough to not know that he words were freaking insulting if only she knew what she meant.

Aussie Jo

04-23-12, 04:34

Medicine is a business and like all businesses it involves maximizing profits. Why in the world would the doctors and biomedical research companies invest in low profit preventive strategies? Preventing prostate enlargement and malignancy would be a far more effective strategy. But then would mean the loss of profits otherwise made by ordering diagnostic tests, snipping or burning out your prostate, and outfitting you with an inflatable penile implant.Also, they would love to prescribe a daily dose of some drug which will keep you on their income stream for the rest of your life.

X Man

04-23-12, 13:07

Similar topics have come up on the chat thread.

It certainly hits with me in a few ways. One, I've experienced dull conversation or chat before. Also, Filipino like to tease. Sometimes fun, but sometimes raw. I've had a bar girl turn me down before too. Tough on the ego.

EC, what is missing. What were the questions? What time was it?

Have you been ever tired or exhausted at work and just wanted someone to shut up? Have you ever been bar hopping in AC and felt irritated by the exact same question over and over again?

Moving on, if anyone criticizes you, no matter how unreasonable, I suggest you look at the small speck of unreasonable criticism, and think about how you could have done better. THe other person's culture, education, mood, and of course your mood or interaction can make a lot of difference in the communication.

I've quoted EC here, but my post is not meant as any criticism of anyone. X.

If at all nothing, your post did make me smile.

Barwomen and profiling? You got to visit the Phil and see what goes in the bars. Oh, well, while I don't mean to demean Filipinas, the bar girls are a dozen mile away from being so intelligent. If so, they will be in call centers. Or working as Sales Ladies!

The questions are simply because they don't know what else to ask. And their intelligence stretches that much only.

And conversation with a majority of the filipina bar girl is as interesting as Talking to a tree. (apologies to Prince Charles.)

And sometimes it gets on your nerves if you expect a lot.

Example? Well, was trying to talk to a girl, she was giving one word answers, even though she had every intention of getting picked up by me. Until I was like "oh, you seem to be a girl of few words". And what does she say? A smart one she said."and you talk too much."

With a bit of Black Label in me, I was a bit annoyed, and I started ignoring her and she was still trying to talk to me, thinking that her words were actually meant to mean I talk a lot and not in an insulting way and then she got a friend of hers to add some reputation to her to make me take her out. It was still a no go. Until she asked me why I am snobbing her. Do I tell her? Or not. ?

And to this day, I am sure she is smart enough to not know that he words were freaking insulting if only she knew what she meant.

Econo Tech

04-25-12, 04:48

It certainly hits with me in a few ways. One, I've experienced dull conversation or chat before. Also, Filipino like to tease. Sometimes fun, but sometimes raw. I've had a bar girl turn me down before too. [B]Tough on the ego.

[B]Have you been ever tired or exhausted at work and just wanted someone to shut up? Have you ever been bar hopping in AC and felt irritated by the exact same question over and over again?

Moving on, if anyone criticizes you, no matter how unreasonable, I suggest you look at the small speck of unreasonable criticism, and think about how you could have done better. THe other person's culture, education, mood, and of course your mood or interaction can make a lot of difference in the communication.

I've quoted EC here, but my post is not meant as any criticism of anyone. X.Take it easy. You are missing the point

I was making the point that we are the buyer, but the seller forgets that and acts like they need to be won over . That's the fun of dealing with pinays.

I am not pouring my gripes here.

Oh, well, even if she was after a tiring day, if It was me looking for a punter, I would have to work hard. Not expect the punter to sweet talk me. Well, well, Welcome to Pinas!

X Man

04-25-12, 13:22

I got the point EC. Most of us here have experienced something similar. Not just from gals, but from entire businesses. I've walked out of mostly empty bars and wondered,"do they even realize how badly they are doing their job / running their business?"

And I'm not referring only to the Philippines! Not too long ago, I walked into a japanese restaurant in Tokyo. It was a new place in a neighborhood I frequent. As I was perusing the lunch menu one waiter says in Japanese,"You serve the foreigner, I can't speak English." The other person replies,"no, you do it." I looked at the two of them to see that they and the cook were all having a good laugh. Other customers had obviously heard the conversation. It was a very small place.

I slammed down the menu and said,"nice place", and walked out. They are still in business, but they always have empty seats when I walk by. And I've never given them a second chance.

Restaurants and restaurant staff change. Maybe I should give them another try. Dancers have bad days, maybe we should give them another pass. I know a few moody Filipina who will get a second offer to share my bed. Assuming they haven't changed their phone number. Ha, ha. X.

Take it easy. You are missing the point

I was making the point that we are the buyer, but the seller forgets that and acts like they need to be won over. That's the fun of dealing with pinays.

I am not pouring my gripes here.

Oh, well, even if she was after a tiring day, if It was me looking for a punter, I would have to work hard. Not expect the punter to sweet talk me. Well, well, Welcome to Pinas!

GosiwonBusan

04-25-12, 13:56

My opinion on the debate is that the girls don't really care about you, in the same way that you don't really care about them. I have heard that Koreans are prefered 333. But for the one off customer I assume that it is just a job, in the same way as anyone remembers customers at any business. Maybe if you are handsome you can spark natural interest in the girl.

Now I agree that most of the girls given the opportunity would do any other job but I found the comments about simple conversation a little rude, and missing the point.

1. Go up to a complete stranger in a coffee shop and try starting an indepth conversation. It is socially awkward. That is why Brits, like myself talk to strangers about the weather and move on from there.

2. When you are on a first / second / third / date, with a girl that you are not paying for, do you find yourself having long intelligent conversations?

3. The girls work long hours most days. I found that if you can provide some comedy or other entertainment (distraction) they will follow you and stop the basic introductory questions. But as a man you have to lead.

Discuss

X Man

04-27-12, 10:11

Gosi, this is a good post. I enjoyed reading it.

I don't agree with some of your analogies. Hitting on a girl in a coffee shop is a bit different than chatting with a professional "entertainer" in a bar. Or even online, if you ask a question, you'd expect it to be answered.

I agree with the third point. It's worked very well for me in most cases. Whether it's a bored bar girl, or a bored office lady. A little game goes a long way.

X.

My opinion on the debate is that the girls don't really care about you, in the same way that you don't really care about them. I have heard that Koreans are prefered 333. But for the one off customer I assume that it is just a job, in the same way as anyone remembers customers at any business. Maybe if you are handsome you can spark natural interest in the girl.

Now I agree that most of the girls given the opportunity would do any other job but I found the comments about simple conversation a little rude, and missing the point.

1. Go up to a complete stranger in a coffee shop and try starting an indepth conversation. It is socially awkward. That is why Brits, like myself talk to strangers about the weather and move on from there.

2. When you are on a first / second / third / date, with a girl that you are not paying for, do you find yourself having long intelligent conversations?

3. The girls work long hours most days. I found that if you can provide some comedy or other entertainment (distraction) they will follow you and stop the basic introductory questions. But as a man you have to lead.

Discuss

X Man

04-27-12, 10:15

THe opening scene of this video is a parody, but some of you will feel some deja vu. I'm hoping this doesn't violate ISG rules. It is a YouTube video (so no copyright problem, I assume?). The video does not promote any competitor to ISG. X.

http://youtu.be/wESgcExetso

Soapy Smith

04-27-12, 16:52

[QUOTE=X Man; 1273903]THe opening scene of this video is a parody, but some of you will feel some deja vu. I'm hoping this doesn't violate ISG rules. It is a YouTube video (so no copyright problem, I assume?). The video does not promote any competitor to ISG. X.

Agreed, no competition here. Also, lots of gorgeous scenery. That's what the board is all about, isn't it?

Stroker Ace88

04-27-12, 19:20

My opinion on the debate is that the girls don't really care about you, in the same way that you don't really care about them. I have heard that Koreans are prefered 333.[SNIP]From what I have been told the BG saying is,

Japanese 3-3-3.

Korean 5-5-5

Jbiz979

04-28-12, 21:49

I've only met one Pinay so far that I had excellent conversations with. She was educated with a BS in nursing she was up to date on current events and an all around sweet person. I enjoyed her company and even started to develop feelings for her. When we finally met she had gained a significant amount of weight which I over looked because I really enjoyed her company but what didn't jive is the fact that she had an extremely lose vagina and was very uncomfortable with her body. Some women after having a child just lose that tightness not all but some and she was definitely one of those. So my trade off for a great conversationalist was awkward sex with a woman that hated for me to look on her body and just a ruined vagina. So you guys make the call. I go for great sex over conversation, just me.

Azil

04-29-12, 20:28

Socker

04-29-12, 22:58

I suppose it might be profiling. I have gotten the same opening questions in Thailand and China, as well as in Mexican border towns. Anywhere I'm obviously a foreigner. I think it's more likely just a conversation-starter, equivalent to "It's sure been hot / cold / rainy / whatever lately, hasn't it?"

But I suppose it might help a girl in figuring what approach to take with a prospect. I'm sure the more experienced ones have opinions (right or wrong) on how to come on to an American as opposed to a Brit or an Aussie.I am sure it is a conversation starter and the info is also useful to the lady. Americans tip, Aussie's don't. If she is deciding who to go w / and both gents have similar looks the American will bed her first.

In the tourist industry, tourist are always being sized up. It's human nature in a world about money.

Another example. You have been invited to 2 different parties. One is hosted by doctors and the other is put on by bankers. Which party are you going to? Well I'll be at the banker party because doctors are big time cheapskates and bankers are known to let it rip.

The info you give them will surely be used by the experienced ones for their own benefit and rightfully so. My 2 pesos.

And now some BIG TITTIES!

Member #4491

04-30-12, 00:16

So my trade off for a great conversationalist was awkward sex with a woman that hated for me to look on her body and just a ruined vagina. So you guys make the call.I agree. No need to leave Australia, Europe or US to get this? (blink)

Barba

Econo Tech

04-30-12, 02:31

I suppose it might be profiling. I have gotten the same opening questions in Thailand and China, as well as in Mexican border towns. Anywhere I'm obviously a foreigner. I think it's more likely just a conversation-starter, equivalent to "It's sure been hot / cold / rainy / whatever lately, hasn't it?"

But I suppose it might help a girl in figuring what approach to take with a prospect. I'm sure the more experienced ones have opinions (right or wrong) on how to come on to an American as opposed to a Brit or an Aussie. Really? While Philippines has good English, they don't teach geography. Heck, they don't teach much.

I know enough girls who believe Texas is in Australia and England and Canada are in US.

Oh, wait, also another, to whom I said "I AM FROM ALASKA" and she went "wow, isn't it hot in Africa? You don't look like African." and I repeated ALASKA and she went "yes, I know, I am not dumb ok?"

Makes it fun, when a friend who went like "I am from Swansea" and the girl was "oh, I know. I know. I have friend in California."

You guys should stop bickering over their intelligence and focus on their techniques. Like a friend used to say "For fxxk sake, stop doing cultural exchange and do body fluid exchange." when I told him I spend more time in touristy places than screwing the natives.

Col Law

04-30-12, 05:10

Just came from the Cebu office (going for an extention) was refused entry because I was wearing shorts, sorry if this is old news or a repeat. Trousers of course can be rented 100 peso

Econo Tech

04-30-12, 06:39

Just came from the Cebu office (going for an extention) was refused entry because I was wearing shorts, sorry if this is old news or a repeat. Trousers of course can be rented 100 pesoOld news that BI has strict dress code LOL.

Well, they can have enough time to worry about dress code but not worry about other high priority stuff I guess.

Stroker Ace88

04-30-12, 23:33

Pip Jaeger

05-01-12, 01:04

LOL, it's like throwing a hot-dog down a hallway! Been there, done that. A thin or chubby woman can have a loose vajayjay. Depends on mileage, number of kids, fitness or lack there-of and genetics.A marriage counselor to his clients: "You know Mr. And Mrs. Jones, we could make a lot more progress if you both stop with the name calling. Let's start with you Mr. Jones. Stop calling your wife canyon see*nt; and you Mrs. Jones. Stop calling your husband needle the*ck."

So, IMHO it's not just the size of the "hallway" (or bun) , but the size of the "hot dog" as well.

Stroker Ace88

05-02-12, 00:35

A marriage counselor to his clients: "You know Mr. And Mrs. Jones, we could make a lot more progress if you both stop with the name calling. Let's start with you Mr. Jones. Stop calling your wife canyon see*nt; and you Mrs. Jones. Stop calling your husband needle the*ck."

So, IMHO it's not just the size of the "hallway" (or bun) , but the size of the "hot dog" as well.I agree. Sometimes it's the size of the hotdog that's the problem. However when you bed alot of pinays and most of them all give the same eye-bulging expression when you go deep and say hello to her cervix. You tend to notice the ones who have extra room in there love tunnel.

Enjoy the Philippines.

Fast Buck Artist

05-04-12, 00:11

However when you bed alot of pinays and most of them all give the same eye-bulging expression when you go deep and say hello to her cervix. You tend to notice the ones who have extra room in there love tunnel.You got to the cervix? Half of the time I can't get past the hymen without hearing whingeing.

I wish there was some way to estimate the depth of womans vaginal shaft, I go for 5'4 or taller girls but it doesn't always work. Recently met a 5'6 girl but she turned out to be all limb, the torso was small. I couldn't have vaginal sex with her. Targeting mums is a good bet, they have wider equipment, but the catch is often they have to go home early to take care of the kid.

White Whale

05-05-12, 21:30

Ebauche

05-05-12, 22:02

I have an option to widen my horizon outside Philippines and Thailand. I did post on main page Travel Plans thread but I believe no-one seasoned monger never reads it. What is the thread I should search for if I want to find close to similar to Phils experience in Mid- South America, Caribbean area?You could start by reading http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1075-What-Country-has-the-Best-Women-for-STR

After that, politely reach out to members whose reports you find useful. Of course do that AFTER you search out their posting history, see where they've actively mongered, and done a reasonable job to RTFF in the areas their posts lead you to.

Slippery

05-05-12, 22:18

You could start by reading.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1075-What-Country-has-the-Best-Women-for-STR

After that, politely reach out to members whose reports you find useful. Of course do that AFTER you search out their posting history, see where they've actively mongered, and done a reasonable job to RTFF in the areas their posts lead you to.The Caribbean ends at northern South America. If that's the area you are looking at there's Cartagena, Barranquilla, Santa Marta in Colombia. Caracas, Puerto La Cruz and Maracaibo in Venezuela and then there are Aruba, Bonair and Curacao. Spanish language skills will get your considerable mileage in Colombia and Venezuela.

Member #4698

05-05-12, 22:24

I have an option to widen my horizon outside Philippines and Thailand. What is the thread I should search for if I want to find close to similar to Phils experience in Mid- South America, Caribbean area?Every place is different. The "Phils experience" is different in AC, Makati, Ermita, and Cebu City. Looks, cultural differences and attitudes between say Thailand girls and Filipinas are enormous.

But if you are looking for recommendations on the best countries to try in Latin America; I would point you in the direction of Brazil and Colombia. Check out the appropriate forums. There is a ton of info there and the guys over there will give you good advice if you ask informed questions. Good hunting. Variety is the spice of life.

Member #4698

05-05-12, 22:44

The Caribbean ends at northern South America. If that's the area you are looking at there's Cartagena, Barranquilla, Santa Marta in Colombia. Caracas, Puerto La Cruz and Maracaibo in Venezuela and then there are Aruba, Bonair and Curacao. Spanish language skills will get your considerable mileage in Colombia and Venezuela.I agree with Slippery. If you are looking for a place that most resembles the PI (Manila & Cebu City) superficially anyway, than Cartagena and Panama City, Caracas and Maracaibo would be the closest match. The best mongering however, is in Sao Paulo, Rio, and Medellin. Cartagena and Bogotá are good too. Panama City is ok, and IMHO San Jose, CR is probably the safest place to get your dick wet for the first time in Latin pussy. I would hold off on Venezuela until after you tried Colombia and Brazil. Spanish or Portugese as the case may be, does help, but it is not a requirement in order to have a great time.

JohnnyO52

05-08-12, 20:21

Hey Guys,

LOL, I'ts me again. How much would be plenty to bring and travel around for a couple weeks there. Never been tho the P. I. But my time is coming. I mongered in Germany, Mexico and Canada in the past but its been a few years. Time to pick up the beer and return to those favorite days of sporting, LOL.

Wazoo

05-09-12, 03:23

Mbsl65

05-09-12, 05:44

AAA Hunter

05-10-12, 01:42

Cebuano's look a little bit more exotic.I agree, especially Cebuanos from Cebu, Lyte and the Negros. My preference goes to mixed European / Filipino. Bahay Tsinoy (Chinese / Filipino) would be next. From time to time, I would sample the black pearls.

Regarding regionalism in China. Northern Chinese women are taller and have whiter skin compare to that from Southern China. My preference are women from the middle country like Shanghai and Suzhou / Jiansui. To me, the Miao / Hmong women from Yunan and Hunan are more exotic and have similiar physiques and appearence as those in northern Thai, Vietnam and Cambodia.

Econo Tech

05-10-12, 01:44

Cebuano's look a little bit more exotic.Because every cebuana believes they descended from Magellan. Damn, must be a tough job impregnating so many thousand mothers LOL and getting it right every time.

Seriously, Cebuana's are fairer than those from Luzon and other parts. Maybe something to do with the climate. And the food?

Soapy Smith

05-10-12, 06:32

Because every cebuana believes they descended from Magellan. Damn, must be a tough job impregnating so many thousand mothers LOL and getting it right every time.For one thing, he was perhaps too bent on impressing the natives with his fierceness in battle and his shiny body armor. Unfortunately short-lived.

But that's not the only way he was dumb. There is an account that when Magellan made landfall for the first or one of the first times, perhaps on Samar or Southern Leyte, a local chief wanted to impress him, and so sent his daughter to spend the night with Magellan. Magellan had her baptized and then sent her home to her father instead.

To the extent that Cebuana's can trace their lineage to Europeans, it's more likely to have been Spanish priests in most cases.

Econo Tech

05-10-12, 06:36

To the extent that Cebuana's can trace their lineage to Europeans, it's more likely to have been Spanish priests in most cases.Blasphemy. Are you implying that the Holy Fathers of the Catholic Church who swore of Celibacy were screwing around? Santa maria!

Mc Don

05-10-12, 06:57

In China, there is intense regionalism and competition between ethnic groups. When I'm there I hear endless debates about which province has the prettiest women. Everybody seems to have a stereotype about the typical body type, personality, and manners of each province. Most Chinese guys swear by the women of Dalian province near Korea. A disproportionate number of models come from there. Personally, I tend to like the Sichuan women. Anyway, I wondered if there is a similar debate in the Philippines about the beauty of different ethnic groups or islands. And does anyone have an opinion of their own?For me its masbate. Nothing beats spinners with tits. 38kg with 2 killos of boobs and yeah most of them have Spanish blood. I also like girls from Samar and then Cebuanas. On dia the best looking chicks are from Zamboanga. I would love to go check Zambo out but the fact that there is no descent hotels and no taxis just turns me off. There are couple of nice Zambo model like chicks I have flown to Cebu before and had great time with them but I haven't sampled enough to say how they compare to the above 3.

Soapy Smith

05-10-12, 08:01

Blasphemy. Are you implying that the Holy Fathers of the Catholic Church who swore of Celibacy were screwing around? Santa maria!I was once hosted in Puerto Princesa by some well connected folks in their late 40s. The woman, light-skinned, was married, but no sign of her husband. She ran a hotel in town. Her male friend, maybe more than a friend, who showed me the sights, owned a small business and was darker skinned. He was a real crack-up. One night over quite a few drinks he got to talking about skin color. He cracked that the difference in skin color between him and the woman was that his great grandmother had had more resolve for resisting the priests. She thought it was funnier than hell, or maybe it was just that we'd had a fair bit to drink and so everything was funny.

Wazoo

05-10-12, 14:00

For me its masbate. Nothing beats spinners with tits. 38kg with 2 killos of boobs and yeah most of them have Spanish blood.Mmmmmm, spinners with tits. Have you noticed how the phrase rolls of the tongue and plants itself in your brain like a pop song with a gigantic hook? Right now that phrase is spinning around in my head all mixed up with that old Kibbles & Bits dogfood commercial: "Spinners with tits, spinners with tits, I got to get me some spinners with tits!" McDon, you've sent me straight to DIA to search on Masbate!

D Cups

05-10-12, 14:30

Hi McDon, we have this slim and stacked fetish in common.

For me its masbate. Nothing beats spinners with tits. 38kg with 2 killos of boobs and yeah most of them have Spanish blood. I also like girls from Samar and then Cebuanas. On dia the best looking chicks are from Zamboanga. I would love to go check Zambo out but the fact that there is no descent hotels and no taxis just turns me off. There are couple of nice Zambo model like chicks I have flown to Cebu before and had great time with them but I haven't sampled enough to say how they compare to the above 3.

AAA Hunter

05-10-12, 17:07

For one thing, he was perhaps too bent on impressing the natives with his fierceness in battle and his shiny body armor. Unfortunately short-lived.

But that's not the only way he was dumb. There is an account that when Magellan made landfall for the first or one of the first times, perhaps on Samar or Southern Leyte, a local chief wanted to impress him, and so sent his daughter to spend the night with Magellan. Magellan had her baptized and then sent her home to her father instead.

To the extent that Cebuana's can trace their lineage to Europeans, it's more likely to have been Spanish priests in most cases.That sounds like a monger myth and I like it because it sounds like Magellan didn't have to pay a barfine.

Before Magellan landed, there were already Europeans in the Philippines. Magellan didn't complete the entire voyage. He landed in Cebu and wanted to claim Mactan but was killed by Lapu Lapu. If Magellan did bang some Cebuanos, it must have been a short time.

Mc Don

05-10-12, 18:09

Mmmmmm, spinners with tits. Have you noticed how the phrase rolls of the tongue and plants itself in your brain like a pop song with a gigantic hook? Right now that phrase is spinning around in my head all mixed up with that old Kibbles & Bits dogfood commercial: "Spinners with tits, spinners with tits, I got to get me some spinners with tits!" McDon, you've sent me straight to DIA to search on Masbate!On DIA you will do better searching Zamboanga. Masbate is one of the poorest provinces and you won't find much. Most of the girls I have sampled from there I have picked up from other places not on line.

Radical Guy

05-10-12, 22:23

For me its masbate.Please stay on topic! We are discussing mongering, not your masbation practices! (Sorry, I couldn't resist. LOL)

Red Kilt

05-11-12, 09:23

On DIA you will do better searching Zamboanga. Masbate is one of the poorest provinces and you won't find much. Most of the girls I have sampled from there I have picked up from other places not on line.Masbate is dreadfully poor but it is also the most lawless place in the Philippines (and that is really saying something).

I have been there for work purposes several times and seen things at first hand. Many locals have filled me in on the various political scams and vendettas that flare up now and again too.

Definitely don't go there hoping to see streets lined with "spinners with tits". It's an urban myth that they outnumber anywhere else in the Philippines. A patient hunter and gatherer will find at least one anywhere if he persists.

Red Kilt

05-11-12, 11:54

Check out these 5 facts.

Number 5 needs to be cut out and carried in the wallet by those guys who like splooging on the face.

http://ph.she.yahoo.com/5-shocking-sex-facts-090000217.html

Gangles

05-14-12, 18:39

At this moment, I am in a very, almost surreal chat with a 30 yo, who is a virgin.

Her friends told her that she has to get a life, and get some experience.

So she searched CB, found me there, and is now discusing how and where and when we meet up, and the basic process that we will follow to share her hymen.

Wow.

And she looks pretty good too.

This will be interesting.

G

Fast Buck Artist

05-15-12, 13:24

At this moment, I am in a very, almost surreal chat with a 30 yo, who is a virgin.Its not unusual to meet a 30+ year old virgin. The oldest I met was 38, and no doubt there are some who stay that way for life.

I doubt there is any hymen left at that age, it would be scrubbed away by tampons and physical activity.

I avoid them, sex with a virgin sucks, you have to put up with a ton of insecurities and complaining (turn the light off, I am shy, it hurts, its too big, I am afraid, etc. Etc.) and the woman has absolutely no skills in bed. I am amused that japanese have a habit of paying huge sums of money for this "experience".

Red Kilt

05-15-12, 14:01

Its not unusual to meet a 30+ year old virgin. The oldest I met was 38, and no doubt there are some who stay that way for life.

I doubt there is any hymen left at that age, it would be scrubbed away by tampons and physical activity.

I avoid them, sex with a virgin sucks, you have to put up with a ton of insecurities and complaining (turn the light off, I am shy, it hurts, its too big, I am afraid, etc. Etc.) and the woman has absolutely no skills in bed. I am amused that japanese have a habit of paying huge sums of money for this "experience".I agree with FBA.

Give me a 30 plus experienced woman who hasn't had sex for a year or so and who is worried that her next bang might be her last. These are the ones who have so much anticipation and give back so much appreciation if you give them a sensational time.

Wazoo

05-15-12, 15:20

I agree with FBA.

Give me a 30 plus experienced woman who hasn't had sex for a year or so and who is worried that her next bang might be her last. These are the ones who have so much anticipation and give back so much appreciation if you give them a sensational time.I agree. Younger girls can learn some lovemaking skills, but it takes years for most women to develop real passion. There's a big difference. It takes time for a women to get comfortable with her own body and discover the naughty parts of her own mind. The very best are the women who have had nothing but selfish partners who don't know how to please them, and then it's suddenly a whole new revelation when they discover that sex can be satisfying and fun. And as Red Kilt says, infrequency adds a whole new dimension of urgency and intensity to the experience. Right now I have a 40 year old semi-regular Chinese gf. She's still tall and lean and very sexy. We are able to meet only every few months. I'm her only sexual outlet. Before me she had never given or received oral and never really had an O, and certainly not multiples. Whenever we meet it's an explosion of soaking wet, bed-busting, lamp breaking sex. After about 5 minutes I've forgotten all about those tight young 20 year olds. One advantage of hobbying in Asia is that women often stay petite and toned even as they get older. Sadly, that's not true in the states.

Cunning Stunt

05-15-12, 20:14

At this moment, I am in a very, almost surreal chat with a 30 yo, who is a virgin.

GHave to agree with the previous posts that the virgin trip is vastly overrated, particularly with an older maiden. I had a similar experience fairly recently, also with a 30 year old virgin intacta. At that age their hymens seem to lock solid and their vagina shrink to a pinhole. No matter how valiantly I tried with the help of gallons of lubricant (and following a tongue numbing round of cunnilingus) , there was no way I was going to force my way past that impenetrable barrier without causing her some severe pain and discomfort. I think that there is a medical term for it. Something like Spinsters C*nt!

Thing is there was also no fallback position. The lady didn't know how to give a BJ either so that was also almost a total waste of time despite my instructional efforts. Ended up with a lousy handjob for all my time and application.

Hope that you have better luck.

YourMcKnight

05-15-12, 23:42

Screaming Beaver

05-16-12, 01:35

I looked around here but could not find anything about what I am about to ask. I have 8 pills of Viagra that I bought online. I bought them without a perscription. Am I going to get in trouble for taking them on my checked luggage?

I am leaving from Houston to LAX, to then Taipei taoyuan international airport, then to MNl airport, a layover for a day in Manila, then I leave from Manila to Boracay.

I am wondering because I heard that the Philippines has a horrible reputation for punishing people who bring drugs illegally. And just the other day I read Rush Limbaugh got in trouble for bringing back viagra pills without a perscription in his name from a foreign country.Your only real concern will be bringing the shit back into the USA. TSA agents take great pride in busting otherwise innocent Americans with anything they can find on them, including a few boner pills. Taiwan and Phils really couldn't give a rats ass about your Viagra however the American TSA needs to protect the drug companies who have paid off the American politicians to enact such ridiculous laws. Just throw away the pills once you are heading back home. You won't need them in Houston anyway, LOL.

Soapy Smith

05-17-12, 06:09

I will pose this question only once and suggest that replies go to me by PM. I apologize in advance that this is not directly about mongering, although it is related to my ongoing justification for travel to the Phils, which permits me to get my end wet on a regular basis.

Does anybody have experience with a competent transcription service in the Phils that is capable of working from digital audio files (like mp3 or similar) and whose English skills are reasonably accurate? The audio in my files is mostly in English with an occasional Tagalog word here and there. Translating the Tagalog is not necessary. The files are usually too big to send by email, but I have successfully used dropbox.com to transfer the larger files. I have been working with a small company in Makati that was recommended to me by a politically well-connected woman from Pasay City. They performed okay at first but seem to have flaked out on me within the last year. Perhaps typical of some technology-related Philippine businesses-great window dressing but ultimately incapable of sustained follow through. I brought some pressure to bear once by going back to my politically-connected friend, but using Tita M to lean on them on a regular basis is not a viable way to maintain a business relationship, nor my own relationship with Tita M. I appreciate recommendations and contact information for businesses whose track record you know from experience. Manila, Cebu, Davao, location does not matter, so long as they're competent and can handle the work via electronic communication.

Thanks. Skip

Fast Buck Artist

05-17-12, 14:34

Have to agree with the previous posts that the virgin trip is vastly overrated, particularly with an older maiden. I had a similar experience fairly recently, also with a 30 year old virgin intacta. At that age their hymens seem to lock solid and their vagina shrink to a pinhole. No matter how valiantly I tried with the help of gallons of lubricant (and following a tongue numbing round of cunnilingus) , there was no way I was going to force my way past that impenetrable barrier without causing her some severe pain and discomfort. I think that there is a medical term for it. Something like Spinsters C*nt!

Thing is there was also no fallback position. The lady didn't know how to give a BJ either so that was also almost a total waste of time despite my instructional efforts. Ended up with a lousy handjob for all my time and application.

Hope that you have better luck.I've recently been in the exact situation CS described above and the only thing that helped me get through the "chastity belt of maidenhood" was painkiller skin cream from the pharmacy (the one containing lidocaine solution). Rub that into the stretching spots, especially in the area of perineum (between vagina and anus) , wait 5 minutes, and she will be numb enough to stop complaining about the pain.

Gangles

05-17-12, 17:37

RK is correct re preference for 30 yo women.

It is widely recognised in sex education circles that women reach their sexual peak at about age 30.

That is why they are the target of my search.

G.

I agree with FBA.

Give me a 30 plus experienced woman who hasn't had sex for a year or so and who is worried that her next bang might be her last. These are the ones who have so much anticipation and give back so much appreciation if you give them a sensational time.

Manta Ray

05-18-12, 01:03

RK is correct re preference for 30 yo women.

It is widely recognised in sex education circles that women reach their sexual peak at about age 30.

That is why they are the target of my search.

G.Yes, I would certainly agree with RK and G about the desirability of the somewhat neglected, yearning 30 year olds. Not long ago I met a 31 year old DIA gal who, though quite shy and reserved during our meal in Greenbelt, agreed to come back to my place after dinner 'for a coffee'. Once back at my place it didn't take too much persuasion to coax her onto my bed. And it only took the first kiss to turn her into a fevered, writhing, groping, moaning, craving vixen. Turns out she not only hadn't had any sex for over a year, she had never had sex, as she put it, 'all naked'. It was like the simple act of me tenderly removing all her clothes, piece by piece, opened the carnal floodgates.

For me, the only problem with the 30 year olds is that I am very attracted to the slender spinner types, and due to the god-awful typical Filipino diet of white rice, fried fatty foods and processed meats, the gals tend to steadily put on weight. So by the time they are in their 30s, they tend to be a bit chunkier than I would like. Oh well, life is full of trade-offs, I suppose.

GoodEnough

05-18-12, 04:06

I'm just winding up another ten day trip to Thailand, and as always, I'm struck by the differences between this country and the Philippines where I live. Besides the obvious Buddhist / Christian ethos, it seems to me that one of the major differences is the degree to which Thais love their country and their extreme reluctance to emigrate. In comparison, it sometimes appears to me that the entire population of the Philippines would get the hell out if it could. The sentiment that undergirds this desire is, it seems to me, one of hope, which is abundant in Thailand and in scarce supply in the Philippines. Thais-at least the Thais whom I know-seem to believe that things are getting better and that they'll continue to get better in the future, whereas the converse is generally true in the Philippines.

Even in this, the low season, the throngs of farang tourists are pumping millions of dollars a day into this country, and it's a bit sad to think of how badly the Philippines has botched its chance to attract a larger share of this market. I'm not speak here of "sex tourists," but of those genuinely interested in seeing the sites, in exposure to the culture and with a strong interest in the country.

I am again struck by the fact that the Thai government, for all of its recent problems, doesn't just talk problems to death but acts on them: witness the gorgeous connecting roads between cities, the newish subway, the sky train, the elevated highways circumscribing the city and the current serious attempts to reduce the pollution of the Chao Phrya river. Here, the construction of major infrastructure that will have an immediate, positive impact on the economy actually happens, and to reasonably high standards. In the Philippines, such actions get talked about for decades and rarely get acted upon. What a pity.

GE

Red Kilt

05-18-12, 04:33

. Snip. .

I am again struck by the fact that the Thai government, for all of its recent problems, doesn't just talk problems to death but acts on them: witness the gorgeous connecting roads between cities, the newish subway, the sky train, the elevated highways circumscribing the city and the current serious attempts to reduce the pollution of the Chao Phrya river. Here, the construction of major infrastructure that will have an immediate, positive impact on the economy actually happens, and to reasonably high standards. In the Philippines, such actions get talked about for decades and rarely get acted upon. What a pity.Nice thoughtful analysis GE.

I am also currently out of the Philippines in nearby Laos and I am amazed at how rapidly this country is moving forward too.

It started from a very low base but in my 3 trips here in 4 years I can witness huge developments that show change can occur if there is a will (and millions of dollars of foreign cash too of course).

The Philippines has also received squillions of foreign aid money but it is more difficult to see any dramatic infrastructure changes apart from things like the MRT (too small and overcrowded) and a new airport that is only partially used.

I can also merely say "What a pity".

MangoBob68

05-18-12, 06:35

Hello gentlemen,

Been reading a variety of post. Mixed toss green salad.

A few observations from my experiences: first education level of your DNA girls. I like to start off a short conversation. The Thai woman in BK asked the aussie why do foreigners he date the dark skin girls from the countryside. Her meaning they are lower class. His answer was,"they are the only ones who will date us" I think this is basically the situation.

Most university educated attractive young woman for middle and upper class families will have nothing to do with us foreign visitors. Remember I said most. Not all.

Personal example. I met a 22 year old la salle university graduate. Whoe now has her masters degree and is a finance broker for a german bank in makati.

We lasted 6 weeks. On breaking up I was surprised she "confessed" she took me for granted. She said being young and educated and me being old. True. That I was lucky to have her and I should spoil her.

At my age of 68 and still presentable. The girls I meet are working meager jobs or no job. I know the senior guys here now that once a woman reaches 26. She will have a hard time finding a job. And because of the economy. Most woman get just 4 to 6 month contract jobs in factories / economic zones and in malls.

Many woman. Actually young girls. Cannot stay in school because of expenses. We also know that quality of schools vary from place to place.

One last big point. I believe most of the girls we are meeting are as much as 20 years younger than a lot of us. Remember your thinking and interest when you were 23? Compared to you now at 40 or 40 or 60?

So please, lets keep it all in perspective. These ladies struggle just to put food on the table. We are so lucky to have the experiences. They don't have time to learn to swim, or learn horse back riding, or play golf / tennis. They not have time and money to travel and study like we do. Most don't get paid vacations as us.

Second, one fellow was asking about his viagra or any meds. Checking it or not in a bag for travel. As far as I know. As long as it is in a prescription. No problema. As for me I carrying always in my carryon and in my many visits to Philippines between 2005-2011. No questions. When I travel I keep my electronics and very personal items in my carry on just incase of lost luggage. Easy to buy replacement clothes.

Cebu pacific gives discount and faster check in if you only have a carry on. I have a favorite hotel in malate and they let me store my extra things free of charge when I go off to the vasayans.

Third, yep. Agreed woman reaching in their 30 are at thier sexual peak. They are hungry for affection with a sincere guy. But I have found the 30 to 38 year old group a tough nut to crack. They are not so easily seduced as the 20 somethings. This age group has been played one or more times.

I agree with GE about Thailand and Philippines in that Thais have a harder time fitting into aussie or german culture. I talked to two aussies in Thailand who were married to Thai ladies and they said more than 50% of the marriage with Thai ladies end in divorce. No difference from most places.

Maybe I bored you with this post. Sorry in advance.

Econo Tech

05-18-12, 10:33

The Philippines has also received squillions of foreign aid money but it is more difficult to see any dramatic infrastructure changes apart from things like the MRT (too small and overcrowded) and a new airport that is only partially used.

I can also merely say "What a pity".In a tiny voice, me says. 90% of all aid is eaten by the oligarchs / senators and all in between. No kidding.

Had one too many experience. Like the time we arranged to ship out a RHIB, from 4, 000 $ the cost ballooned to 12, 000 and still going, as the counterparts included "Fiesta","Award Ceremony","Banners for the VIPs", and payment to some family of Ayala or Lopez or Sy or Tan or Gokongwei, for their 'assistance'.

We quietly canned the project. Though we got a lot of threats for destroying the lives of poor pinoys.

Well, that's just a hint of what is collossally wrong.

And the rich are even mentally retarded, and want to get more rich, and everything from trikes, to jeepneys to even selling peanuts is controlled by "Families"

And forget the senators and congressmen. They are all family or so. Father / mother / son / daughter. Then the former becomes mayor, governer, or whatever to keep them in power.

That, in my eyes, is what is eating their own people. Add that with their blind respect for 'power' and 'ceremonial' stuff.

I remembered one of my JC members, who was practically worshipping a JC senator here. Until I whacked him and told him that JC senator is like us, and doesn't need to be specially treated like royalty. And reminded him that even locals here were uncomfortable or taking advantage of the blind faith in 'rank'

Boy, the Filipino guy was pissed and questioned my upbringing. Insisting that Senators must be treated God Like. And the fellow was a Professor here. If an educated clown can think so. What could you expect from lesser educated?

WouldTryIt

05-18-12, 11:06

The whole problem with the Philippines is that whatever government there is they are not the ones that call the shots.

Golfinho

05-18-12, 11:19

Laos and I am amazed at how rapidly this country is moving forward. In 4 years I can witness huge developments that show change can occur if there is a will (and millions of dollars of foreign cash too of course).

The Philippines has also received squillions of foreign aid money but it is more difficult to see any dramatic infrastructure changesA will. And Chinese money. In Laos, Chinese building airports, financing and manageing projects, everything under the sun. This could happen in the Philippines too, if the Americans would disappear.

Stroker Ace88

05-19-12, 03:15

A will. And Chinese money. In Laos, Chinese building airports, financing and manageing projects, everything under the sun. This could happen in the Philippines too, if the Americans would disappear.The Chinese have been involved with proposed Philippine infrastructure projects for awhile now. The Japanese and Koreans too. Recently alot of the Japanese and Korean projects have been shelved due to increased financing rates.

No word if the recent China-Philippines Spratly Islands territorial water dispute and the Valemax bulk iron ore carrier ban will have an impact on current and proposed Chinese infrastructure projects in the Philippines.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2011/11/18/china-will-fund-p14b-cebu-north-road-improvement-project-if-approved-1911

YourMcKnight

05-19-12, 07:32

Your only real concern will be bringing the shit back into the USA. TSA agents take great pride in busting otherwise innocent Americans with anything they can find on them, including a few boner pills. Taiwan and Phils really couldn't give a rats ass about your Viagra however the American TSA needs to protect the drug companies who have paid off the American politicians to enact such ridiculous laws. Just throw away the pills once you are heading back home. You won't need them in Houston anyway, LOL.Thanks! Should I be worried when I pass through the security checkpoint for my flight from Houston to LAX?

GoodEnough

05-19-12, 11:04

Thanks Econo Tech, for the concise, accurate analysis. That's exactly the way things are there, which is why the place slips further behind its ASEAN neighbors with each passing year. I wonder, now that Burma is opening up, how long it will take to pass the Philippines in terms of per capita GDP and Direct Foreign Investment. I'm guessing 5-7 years.

GE

Member #4351

05-19-12, 16:49

The Ambassador to France from the Philippines, Philippe Jones Lhuillier (that last name should be familiar), had his 540 sq. meter apartment in Paris ripped off for jewelry and diverse objects valued at 30 million Euros (got into the safe). Tell you something about the ruling Philippine families?

GoodEnough

05-20-12, 22:32

I've just returned from a semi-annual ten day trip to Thailand. I go largely because I have some good friends there, because I enjoy Thai culture and because I love the food. I found, at the conclusion of this most recent trip (as was also the case with my last trip) , that I was more than ready to come "home" to the Philippines, and was (again) surprised at my reaction. Part of my desire to get back doubtless stemmed from missing my lady, but that doesn't account for the entirety of my anxiousness to get back here.

I have tried to analyze why this should be true. I find the Thai culture infinitely more interesting than the culture here, and the food is-in my opinion-infinitely better. The transportation infrastructure of Bangkok and its environs beats this country by several orders of magnitude, and the discrepancies will increase in this area over time. The only rationale for my reaction that makes sense to me comes down to the character of the people. Thais are unflaggingly polite, service oriented and generally charming, but I believe these traits constitute a type of professional veneer; that is to say it's not entirely genuine. Conversely, Filipinos-again at least the sample I know-are, I believe, more genuine in their interactions with foreigners; or maybe they're just better actors.

Whatever the case, I'm somewhat amazed at my tendency to miss this place after an absence of almost two weeks. I'm still figuratively scratching my head in wonder.

GE

Amavida

05-21-12, 03:40

In a tiny voice, me says. 90% of all aid is eaten by the oligarchs / senators and all in between. No kidding.An Oligarchic Kleptocracy underpinned by Tribalistic Nepotism. We can thank the Spanish, who after subjugating the natives for 400 odd years suddenly switched off the lights, walked out and handed over the keys to a select few. To this day those famillies maintain a vice grip on the entire political economic structure of the country. There is no way they will ever let go so the only way forward is down sadly. RP will have to crash and burn before any buggar gets a chance to change things for the better. Meanwhile some of us fortunate ones insinuate ourselves into the middle / upper layers of society and prosper at the expense of all around us.

AV

Econo Tech

05-21-12, 03:58

An Oligarchic Kleptocracy underpinned by Tribalism.

We can thank the Spanish, who after subjugating the natives for 400 odd years suddenly switched off the lights, walked out and handed over the keys to a select few.

To this day those famillies maintain a vice grip on the entire political economic structure of the country.

There is no way they will ever let go so the only way forward is down sadly.

RP will have to crash and burn before any buggar gets a chance to change things for the better.

Meanwhile some of us fortunate ones insinuate ourselves into the middle / upper layers of society and prosper at the expense of all around us.

AVThe wierd fact is the Oligarchs are swimming in too much money they cannot even handle and STILL WANT More. Given a chance, I can quote a few incidents, where 'relatives of x, why or z' who, while were rich on their own, tried to scam a foreign investor or partner out of the lawful share so on top of the 100 million $ they have, they can have another 10, 000 $. That's what I can't figure out.

Even within the families, they are loathe to sharing their business and let their lesser prosperous relatives prosper- preferring to hand-out cash to relatives when needed.

One more trait I can't stick is, for rich, the 90% or more of Filipinos instantly say "they are lucky". Yes, fortunate, but didn't hard work get atleast some people to where they are today? Yes, a majority got their by being lucky. Being born into a rich family. Then I figured it out. That almost all the rich are there because of their LUCK. Rarely due to hard work. I could even go on to say even the 1st Gen rich got their by crony deals. Or Marcos' money.

It is amsuing even when you talk to even educated folks.

Them: What's your job?

Me: I am a Telecom Engineer.

Them: oh, you are so lucky to be an Engineer.

Me: errr. What did Luck do with it? Didn't my studies and constant efforts got me to where I am today?

Then I figured it out that most Filipinos have the easy way. Relatives funding their studies, or some rich man funding their studies

It is their common interest to give the fish than teach people to fish.

It is not the spanish. Their genetic codes have been progammed to be so. Rarely have I seen such hard working but hero worshipping people in my life. Even they are so gracious to give up their hard work if somebody else benefits. Starting with their 'remittances'

Red Kilt

05-21-12, 04:04

An Oligarchic Kleptocracy underpinned by Tribalistic Nepotism. We can thank the Spanish, who after subjugating the natives for 400 odd years suddenly switched off the lights, walked out and handed over the keys to a select few. To this day those famillies maintain a vice grip on the entire political economic structure of the country. There is no way they will ever let go so the only way forward is down sadly. RP will have to crash and burn before any buggar gets a chance to change things for the better. Meanwhile some of us fortunate ones insinuate ourselves into the middle / upper layers of society and prosper at the expense of all around us.The best and most concise summary of the "Philippines Situation" that I have ever read AV.

In just 5 lines you have summarized around 500 years of history perfectly.

Well done!

GoodEnough

05-21-12, 09:01

Great stuff AV, and a perfect summary of the way (if not the why) things are. Econo Tech makes some excellent points too, and they get to a conundrum I've never been able to resolve, which is the reason for the insatiable greed of the oligarchs and the politicians who are their lackies. I understand corruption, and I've worked in the 3rd world for decades, so I've seen more than my share. I have never, however, seen the extent of the naked avarice I see (and hear about) in this country. In other places where I've worked-both in SE Asia and Africa-the local big shots skimmed their 10 or 20 percent, but the large projects still got built. Here, it's all stolen and very little that's new actually gets built. This is unique in my experience, but the observation is hardly unique to me.

I think it's too simplistic to blame this trait exclusively on the Spanish, though doubtless they contributed. Other countries--Malaysia, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia--have largely overcome the depradations of their colonizers, and their human/national development curves are rising steeply. I think the church, which has a stranglehold on much of the politics and the behavior of poor, uneducated Filipinos is partially culpable, but it doesn't fully explain the merciless rapacity of the oligarchs and politicians, nor does it explain the apparent willingness of the average Filipino to be exploited or their resignation to accepting the way things are.

I once had a boss, older and far wiser than I, who patiently explained to me once that on the continuum of countries, there are some that are "permanent beggar nations." This is one of them.

GE

Econo Tech

05-21-12, 09:33

. nor does it explain the apparent willingness of the average Filipino to be exploited or their resignation to accepting the way things are.I would simply say "almost every Filipino, including the educated ones. Like the Professor fellow I mentioned.

Either they meekly follow or just revolt for the wrong reasons. Like throw our one mad man to bring in another one.

Ever wonder what happened to Imelda? She declared herself as the second richest senator. In the SALN!

Hatguy

05-21-12, 10:05

Red Kilt

05-21-12, 12:48

After rttf I have not found the answer so here goes. I'm visiting shortly and have bought a certain Thai lady friend a ticket so that we can spend some time together. She will have some of her own money and I was going to write a short note saying I would pay for her hotel and food. Its that necessary? She is only there 2 days. What's the opinion of the crew? Is this going to work out? I know that's a big ask but your opinion helps. HatguyThis is different to what most of us discuss here Hatguy.

We are mainly concerned with guys trying to take filipinas OUT of the Philippines.

I presume that you are referring to in-bound tourism which will almost certainly not be queried on arrival, except to verify that she has a return (or onward) ticket for when she leaves.

The only potential hassle MIGHT be at the Thailand end, but I don't know what is the Thai attitude to the issue of "[CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908)".

Having a note from you will be added insurance in case she is interviewed on arrival. Ensure that she has your address too for where she will stay (so that she can fill up the arrival card accurately).

Finally, suggest that she dress conservatively for travel, especially if her usual mode of dress is rather more provocative. It shouldn't be an issue but my advice to everyone travelling is to blend in with other passengers and not try to make yourself stand out in anyway.

D Cups

05-21-12, 14:39

A fellow ISGer whose opinion I respect told me the average income in PI is $12,000 USD. Now THAT puts things in perspective!

Hello gentlemen,

Been reading a variety of post. Mixed toss green salad.

A few observations from my experiences: first education level of your DNA girls. I like to start off a short conversation. The Thai woman in BK asked the aussie why do foreigners he date the dark skin girls from the countryside. Her meaning they are lower class. His answer was,"they are the only ones who will date us" I think this is basically the situation.

Most university educated attractive young woman for middle and upper class families will have nothing to do with us foreign visitors. Remember I said most. Not all.

Personal example. I met a 22 year old la salle university graduate. Whoe now has her masters degree and is a finance broker for a german bank in makati.

We lasted 6 weeks. On breaking up I was surprised she "confessed" she took me for granted. She said being young and educated and me being old. True. That I was lucky to have her and I should spoil her.

At my age of 68 and still presentable. The girls I meet are working meager jobs or no job. I know the senior guys here now that once a woman reaches 26. She will have a hard time finding a job. And because of the economy. Most woman get just 4 to 6 month contract jobs in factories / economic zones and in malls.

Many woman. Actually young girls. Cannot stay in school because of expenses. We also know that quality of schools vary from place to place.

One last big point. I believe most of the girls we are meeting are as much as 20 years younger than a lot of us. Remember your thinking and interest when you were 23? Compared to you now at 40 or 40 or 60?

So please, lets keep it all in perspective. These ladies struggle just to put food on the table. We are so lucky to have the experiences. They don't have time to learn to swim, or learn horse back riding, or play golf / tennis. They not have time and money to travel and study like we do. Most don't get paid vacations as us.

Second, one fellow was asking about his viagra or any meds. Checking it or not in a bag for travel. As far as I know. As long as it is in a prescription. No problema. As for me I carrying always in my carryon and in my many visits to Philippines between 2005-2011. No questions. When I travel I keep my electronics and very personal items in my carry on just incase of lost luggage. Easy to buy replacement clothes.

Cebu pacific gives discount and faster check in if you only have a carry on. I have a favorite hotel in malate and they let me store my extra things free of charge when I go off to the vasayans.

Third, yep. Agreed woman reaching in their 30 are at thier sexual peak. They are hungry for affection with a sincere guy. But I have found the 30 to 38 year old group a tough nut to crack. They are not so easily seduced as the 20 somethings. This age group has been played one or more times.

I agree with GE about Thailand and Philippines in that Thais have a harder time fitting into aussie or german culture. I talked to two aussies in Thailand who were married to Thai ladies and they said more than 50% of the marriage with Thai ladies end in divorce. No difference from most places.

Maybe I bored you with this post. Sorry in advance.

Gangles

05-21-12, 16:37

I have written about this phenomenon before.

The behaviour of the ologarchs, and the people of the Philippines, belong to the "Hunter Gatherer" culture.

We see it in their behaviour in families, in organisations, and among the people at the top.

It is a survival mechanism. Everyone owns everything. That is, everything is shared. Any member of the extended family can turn up on the doorstep, claim hunger, need for a place to sleep, and they will be taken in. It ensures that the older members of the family are cared for. And financial crisis is met by contributions from all family members. Young people hand over their earnings to their mother, who redistributes it to other family members.

But the second part of the definition is. Everyone owns everything, but the head man owns it all.

That is, the head man is entitled to take it all for himself. And no-one will complain.

So he knows that he is entitled to take what he wants, without remorse. Head man of the family, head man of the country, head man of the government department. All head men are entitled.

To filipinos, it is not corruption, it is the way that it is done.

In my opinion, if you want to talk about corruption in the Philippines, then start at the bottom, not at the top.

The voter will sell his vote for 100 pesos, and not feel guilty of corruption. The student needing a higher grade has no compunction in offering money to the teacher for a better assessment. And so it goes, all the way up from the bottom.

When the bottom people stop acting corruptly, then the entire edifice of corruption will collapse. The oligarchs stay in power because they know that the bottom people, the voters, are corrupt. So their vote can be bought. It is purely a matter of who has the most money to buy the most votes.

GMA was reelected in 2004 because she, literally, stripped the national coffers of every centavo to buy the votes that she needed to get re-elected. Not her money. I was there, talking with civil servants who worked in Finance and Treasury, and they knew exactly what was happening. But not one of them raised a voice, because they knew that the head man owned it all, and she was entitled to take the money.

I am sure that this culture long pre-dated Spanish colonization.

It is the same culture as in Papua New Guinea, Australian aboriginals, Melanesia, Micronesia. And very hard to break out from. Some educated filipinos see that it is destroying their country, but they are not many.

G.

An Oligarchic Kleptocracy underpinned by Tribalistic Nepotism. We can thank the Spanish, who after subjugating the natives for 400 odd years suddenly switched off the lights, walked out and handed over the keys to a select few. To this day those famillies maintain a vice grip on the entire political economic structure of the country. There is no way they will ever let go so the only way forward is down sadly. RP will have to crash and burn before any buggar gets a chance to change things for the better. Meanwhile some of us fortunate ones insinuate ourselves into the middle / upper layers of society and prosper at the expense of all around us.

AV

MangoBob68

05-22-12, 00:43

Maybe one of the regulars who lives in the Philippines has a better handle on average incomes more than someone who is a tourist and ISG member. I have a very hard time to believe the average salary is 12, 000 USD per year. That would be like 44, 000 pesos per month.

You really think the girls you are meeting and fucking in DIA and other websites make 40, 000 pesos per month? I like a regular- who lives in PI to confirm or not but the basic average salary. Which depends on what city you live in because the govt. Dictates the minimum wage. Is like 6000 to 10, 000 pesos = $150+ per month only.

The call center girls / guys make between 15. 20, 000 per month is considered a good salary. Even the professionals with a good job make in the 12. 25, 000 per month.

Of course there are those who own good businesses and have top jobs . Lawyers and such who make big bucks.

But to say the average is $1000 per month is extremely high. Just look at the people around you and the conditions they live. Maybe you are talking those who live in makati. The club and bar owners. Hahahahahaha.

Again. We foreigners over age 45 divorced with average looks will not easily find a good looking single woman making 44, 000 pesos per month who wants to jump in our bed.

Yes, I know some of you will say. I had a woman who has this and has that. Yeah! I didn't say it never happens. But for the most part. For most of us to meet and bed a middle class woman and above is not so easy or comes around very often.

Yeah! Like any place. You got the bucks the contacts anything is possible.

But for the average retiree as me. I am only going to get the girls who not have it so easy.

These girls are working contract work for 10, 000 per month for example or a yaya / caregiver for 2000 to 5000 per month. Maybe a shop clerk, secretary, hotel worker.

They DO NOT make 40+ thousand per month.

Your fellow ISG member has tunnel vision.

The woman who has a good job + house + family + friends don't need us mongers.

Oh. I forgot the economic rich group. The filipina who marries the foreigner then kicks him out of the 5 million peso house he built for her.

Yeah! Her income is $12, 000 PLUS (after the fact).

Wazoo

05-22-12, 02:20

maybe one of the regulars who lives in the philippines has a better handle on average incomes more than someone who is a tourist and isg member. i have a very hard time to believe the average salary is 12, 000 usd per year. that would be like 44, 000 pesos per month.

you really think the girls you are meeting and fucking in dia and other websites make 40, 000 pesos per month? i like a regular- who lives in pi to confirm or not but the basic average salary. which depends on what city you live in because the govt. dictates the minimum wage. is like 6000 to 10, 000 pesos = $150+ per month only.i'm no expert, but the figures i hear confirm yours. two different massage therapists told me that they make 200-500 pesos a day, depending on the time of the year. both of them considered therapy a real step up from entry level. all of them work 12 hours a day. 7 days a week.

Red Kilt

05-22-12, 02:32

A fellow ISGer whose opinion I respect told me the average income in PI is $12,000 USD. Now THAT puts things in perspective!That is patently absurd D Cups.

I don't know how you could believe such a figure since you have been here for extended periods.

Your ISG contact must have just finished a funny mushroom meal.

The mandated daily wage by Dept of trade & Industry is less than 500 / day (I am unsure of the exact new rate but it was raised just last week) , but no employer pays that because there is virtually NO unionism with any clout here.

Shop girls get between 250 and 400 php per day for a 6-day week depending on their employer.

Call center operators get 16, 000 to 25, 000 per month (pesos)

Do your own sums on these base amounts and you do not get near $12, 000 USD and you surely don't get an "average". Those salaries constitute the income for the majority of workers. Factor in the rice farmers (all subsistence farmers) since they live on chicken feed per week average income.

I am NOT an economist but having lived here for more than 15 years such a figure ($12, 000 USD annual income) is absurd.

MangoBob68

05-22-12, 03:21

hello gentlemen,

i didn't want to leave it at what i have observed in my years visiting the philippines so here is a cut and past from doing some income research for the philippines: average salary and economy.

average annual income in philippines is around 248, 182 php (5, 800 usd) , according to 2011/2012 salary survey.

philippines economy was in 2011 the 43rd largest on the world by its gdp. the largest industries in philippines are electronics, outsourcing, automotive, mining and natural resources.

for example average salary of a cpa. certified public accountant is around 360, 200 php. operations managers earn around 949, 000 php per year.

it average salaries.

employees in it receive in average from around 450, 000 php to around 700, 000 php or more per year.

zdnet asia survey shows salaries from it below. survey is from year 2009 and salaries should be around 15%.20% higher in year 2012.

so if you are an it tech you could be making $12, 000 to $15, 000 per year.

conclusion: find a hot sexy it tech to bed! that is my goal! i am searching dna right now to find one or maybe i will lower my standards and search out cpa! hahahaha.

but more realistically, we can catch ourselves a call center babe! and i am sure some of you out there have done that. one great thing about a call center babe she has to work so you are free to go out hunting for dessert.

i know a few guys who live with financially well off woman (there own money and home). they not demand anything from the guy. the men are free to come and go. so they have a good setup.

my orginal point being that the woman we meet are mostly sincere and good hearted + but poor / lower economic status and less education. but they will accept a nice guy if he can take care of her.

in my place. northern california. i cannot date a nice looking single woman **** 50. so i am lucky. the economic condition allows me to meet young single woman in the philippines. they might say they love you. but i not know. i only care how they treat me.

i have seen many guys think they are hot shit because the girls fall all over them. smile+flirt.brag how many they bed in one week or more.one guy reminded me when in thailand is that it is an adult disneyland. you cannot take everything as real!

i'm just saying. keep it all in perspective. and treat your honey ko with care as you ride them into the sunset!

Hatguy

05-22-12, 03:26

Thanks for the replies (pm also). I think Ill just take my chances. I don't really want to put my name to anything so lets see what happens. Ill report back later about it.

Frenzy3

05-22-12, 03:48

A fellow ISGer whose opinion I respect told me the average income in PI is $12,000 USD. Now THAT puts things in perspective!No it is 12, 000 peso a month after tax etc and most household only have 1 wage earner as pointed out min wage is from 280 to 400 per day depends on location

Frenzy3

05-22-12, 03:51

i'm no expert, but the figures i hear confirm yours. two different massage therapists told me that they make 200-500 pesos a day, depending on the time of the year. both of them considered therapy a real step up from entry level. all of them work 12 hours a day. 7 days a week.that's 6000 to 15, 000 how did you work it to 40, 000 per month, seems a few guys here need math lessons, no wonder some working girls have too much money

Red Kilt

05-22-12, 04:09

The minimum wage for filipino workers has been raised to 456 php per day (but very few businesses would pay that rate)

See this link:

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/manila-s-minimum-wage-workers-to-get-pay-raise.html

Just to add to the discussion about the extreme gulf between the "haves" and the "have-nots", check out this news story today.

At least 13. 8 million adult Filipinos were unemployed in the first quarter of 2012, the latest Social Weather Stations survey showed.

That is 34. 4% of the population unemployed.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/sws--unemployment-hits-record-high.html; _ylt=AtG7vLhOEQLtfjwBiZmJLVHiV8d_; _ylu=X3oDMTQyODUzZGlzBG1pdANQSCBUb3AgU3RvcmllcyBDb2tlBHBrZwMyOWE1OTFiOC03NWQ0LTNkMzYtYTUwNi01YmI5ZDNlNWMzOGQEcG9zAzEEc2VjA2p1bWJvdHJvbl9jb2tlBHZlcgNhMDQ4ODc4MC1hMzI5LTExZTEtOTZmYS04MWQxYjZmZTU0NTM-; _ylg=X3oDMTFpNDR0a2hyBGludGwDcGgEbGFuZwNlbi1waARwc3RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z; _ylv=3

Econo Tech

05-22-12, 04:11

Shop girls get between 250 and 400 php per day for a 6-day week depending on their employer.

Call center operators get 16, 000 to 25, 000 per month (pesos)

Do your own sums on these base amounts and you do not get near $12, 000 USD and you surely don't get an "average". Those salaries constitute the income for the majority of workers. Factor in the rice farmers (all subsistence farmers) since they live on chicken feed per week average income.

I am NOT an economist but having lived here for more than 15 years such a figure ($12, 000 USD annual income) is absurd.On top of it, even call center staff, atleast the dozens or so I know, don't go home with half that number, with a lot of spurious deductions and cash advances etc. Etc.

Oh, the norm is for even Mall workers to PAY FOR THEIR OWN PLACEMENT, or Uniform cost etc. Etc. So when they start work, they are already at a minus, till the first year goes by, if they don't get fired. The first time I heard of it, I thought it was a scam.

When I sponsored a girl to join Convergant, I though the girl is puling a fast one, when she said there is fee and more.

She was naive enough to give me her HR Login, and I did see the whole heap of spurious fees deducted from her, on a monthly basis. No wonder even Call Center woman are busy trying to live up the high life, with a bit of "FOREIGN REVENUE"

Questor55

05-22-12, 04:24

Try to demand the recently announced minimum wage out in the provinces. The actual normal daily wage a girl will get in most areas outside the largest cities is around 200. 250P per day for a 10. 12 hour shift. Typical Philippines law. Don't mean a thing.

Gangles

05-22-12, 14:13

Just to add another perspective to the discussion.

A university professor has a salary of about 30,000 pesos per month.

G

Soapy Smith

05-22-12, 19:20

the attached file contains a table i ripped off from a report on the social weather stations website. it's a reflection of income distribution in the philippines from 1961 to 2009. it shows that income distribution remained relatively constant over time, from before marcos' martial law, to the end of martial law, and since martial law—with the top 50% of families earning approximately 80% of all income.

also, a note about 'average' income in the philippines. the figure of 5,800 pesos that mb cited is presumably an arithmetic mean. the mean is not a good measure for 'average' income because a few big rollers distort the figure upward. median income—the dividing line at which half of households earn more and half earn less—is a more realistic measure for average income. according to the sws table, median household income in the philippines was 135,000 pesos in 2009. at mid year in 2009 the us$ to php conversion rate was 48.0. so 2009 median household income was about us$2812.

i also did a quick web search for comparable numbers for the united states. i found some congressional budget office data for 2005 income. i didn't have time to look for more recent numbers. the data are broken down in quintiles (brackets of 20% of the population), so i can't give an exact comparison against the philippines' top 50%. nonetheless, the data show that the top 20% earned 55.1% of u.s. income, the next 20% earned 19.8 percent of income, and the middle 20% earned 13.5%. so the top 40% earned 74.9% of income in the united states in 2005. and if we assume that income in the middle 20% is skewed upward, then the top 50% in the u.s. actually earned more than 80% of total income.

is there something i'm missing here? i'm open to suggestions. these data suggest that income distribution is not much different between the u.s. and the philippines. in europe, based on numbers i've seen, the gulf between average citizens and the superrich is not so stark, but clearly there are superrich there too. in the philippines the lifestyle differences hit you in the face. families sleeping on cardboard on the streets of ermita, and the well-to-do driving nice cars, visiting their second homes in tagaytay, and living in gated communities. in the u.s. much of the wealth is hidden in wall street skyscrapers and collecting dust (metaphorically) in huge bank accounts. when the amounts of wealth are so vast, there are only so many cars and homes a person can buy. so the money sits idle—or flashing from one investment to the next via transactions controlled by computers. so the same distorted distribution of wealth is present in the u.s. as well, but just not so visible to the eye.