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Random99

07-13-15, 16:55

So like, if I get a one-way ticket to the Philippines, there's a chance they could send me back?

What about the guys who just want to check out the place, have significant passive income and don't know how long they'll be there?Different posters are sending mixed messages on what happens. I was flying out of NYC with a well know Asian carrier with complicated ticketing (I was going to Manila, staying for 2 weeks, then going to another country in Asia. They checked to see if I had an exit ticket out of the Philippines. I flew PAL with a 1 way ticket and they asked to see my exit ticket as well. All my other stays have been roundtrip tickets.

The airlines nor the ticket agent at check-in does not care about your personal situation etc. They are following the rules set down upon them by their corporate office and / or governmental regulations. Sure, you can take the risk someone is not going to ask, but that seems foolish to me.

I have a 1 way business class ticket that cost me approx $700 that is good until 2017. I may use the ticket before than to travel and / or I could get a refund if need be.

Simmer

07-13-15, 17:22

You are the one responsible for paying for your own deportation.No, the airline that brought you there is required to take you back at their expense if you are denied entry. However, that airline can then, of course, try to reclaim the expenses from you if they choose to do so.

So like, if I get a one-way ticket to the Philippines, there's a chance they could send me back?You wouldn't even get past check-in: the airlines know they are on the hook for carrying a passenger who doesn't meet the immigration requirements, so they won't even let you travel if suspect you won't be let in.

What about the guys who just want to check out the place, have significant passive income and don't know how long they'll be there?You buy a flexible / changeable / refundable ticket. I got stuck in Singapore once after I forgot to buy an onward ticket. The check-in supervisor actually took me to a public internet terminal to buy a refundable ticket (I think there was a fee for doing so but not much). While I was entering my details he saw my wife's Filipino passport and asked if we had our marriage certificate, which we did (it was our honeymoon). "Ah, you're good to go sir, no proof of onward travel required".

Skogis - Immigration is not responsible for looking at the return ticket. The airlines have this responsibility to verify that a person with a 1 way ticket has a exit ticket (they won't ask if you have a round trip ticket).Well, immigration do have the responsibility as it's an immigration requirement. However, the airlines have already done this check so I assume they just ask people at random. I've only ever been asked when NOT on a round trip ticket which makes me wonder if immigration already know what ticket you have. Certainly immigration do in other countries: not so sure about PH.

AskeAske

07-13-15, 18:34

Like Skogis I have spent tweny years going in and out of Asian and African airports and never, but never asked about a return ticket. Add the USA and Canada also.

Manila is one of the more relaxed airports. The country needs tourism!Hmm. I have been in Manilla only two times, but both times they asked for returnticket.

Never asked in any other country.

PirateMorgan

07-13-15, 18:53

Ten days ago I applied for Blue Shield of the Philippines. I was approved yesterday. Policy covers seniors (I stop being in my sixties tomorrow) The specific plan is http://www.bluecross.com.ph/index.php?&id=medicalplans&plan=brpremier Blue Premier. The plan runs around $3000 per year. Limiting coverage to this part of the world brings it down to about $2200. This insurance is unique in the world. Not any plans like it that I am aware of. And yes I still have USA Medicare. And yes there are exclusions but nothing serious in my case.

Member #4387

07-13-15, 20:10

Skogis - Immigration is not responsible for looking at the return ticket. The airlines have this responsibility to verify that a person with a 1 way ticket has a exit ticket (they won't ask if you have a round trip ticket).Exactly and they never did ask me checking in in Oslo for a returnticket even if I many many times only have a one way ticket (I have returnticket but with different company alliance and many many times from other city outside phils). A round trip ticket goes without saying. Only in BKK I have been asked twice by Cebu Pacific and that's it.

Hutsori

07-14-15, 06:14

WestCoast1

07-14-15, 09:00

No, the airline that brought you there is required to take you back at their expense if you are denied entry. However, that airline can then, of course, try to reclaim the expenses from you if they choose to do so.
I believe that correct. Am aware of two deportations in the last 7 years (one in phils) where the deported was asked point blank by the carrier how he / she intended to pay for the difference in prices between flights (different flight has a different price, and the change-fee). I can't think of any reason why they would not attempt to recoup on your mistake. If you used a credit card to pay for the flight, they are going to bill it.

Simmer

07-14-15, 20:25

I believe that correct. Am aware of two deportations in the last 7 years (one in phils) where the deported was asked point blank by the carrier how he / she intended to pay for the difference in prices between flights (different flight has a different price, and the change-fee). I can't think of any reason why they would not attempt to recoup on your mistake. If you used a credit card to pay for the flight, they are going to bill it.Whether they do try to reclaim depends on cost and effort involved. If the return plane is not full, and the passenger had a return ticket anyway (deported for other reasons), and from a 3rd world country, then they apparently rarely bother. But if the plane is full, bumping off a paying passenger, fined by immigration for failing to check whatever, long haul back from whence they came, from Europe / US etc, then they likely would try to sue the pants off you.

But the airline can't refuse to take the passenger just because payment hasn't been made before the deportation. That's up to the airline to sort out after the fact.

However, you don't have to go back to the last country of embarkation. If immigration and the airline are in agreement, you can buy yourself a ticket to anywhere. As long as you'll be accepted at that destination! Immigration is happy because you've gone, and the original airline is happy because they're off the hook.

But the best solution is to avoid the situation in the first place. And I hold my hands up for failing to remember the immigration rule of proof of onward travel. Fortunately the airline did its job of checking and the problem was resolved before leaving Singapore.

MidniteRider

07-14-15, 22:19

PirateMorgan

07-15-15, 07:54

No preexisting conditions (unless approved. LOL). Like old predatory US insurance companies.

No "fat bastards" (leaves me out. LOL).

Thanks but I'll stick with my Tricare Overseas Program from the DOD.

Three sentences that in themselves offer readers no contribution to knowledge on the subject. On the other hand it is possible that some guy in Montana contemplating a new life in the Philippines may find the info on Blue Cross useful. (info on Tricare is great as a recruiting tool for military types and CIA types. Oh well.

Red Kilt

07-16-15, 13:27

Hmm. I have been in Manilla only two times, but both times they asked for return ticket.

Never asked in any other country.I just returned to Manila from an assignment which brought me through Bangkok for a 3 days stay.

I have a "permanent spouse visa" (aka ICR card) but decided to keep it in my pocket to see what happened at airline check-in (Thai Airways) when I handed over my ticket to return to Manila. I had large bags to check in.

Clerk looked through the ticket, checked again, then asked something of a supervisor who replied in Thai.

She then said "Where is your onward ticket from Philippines to next destination sir?"

At that point I feigned forgetfulness and produced the ICR card which produced smiles all round. No problems sir. You live in Philippines sir.

Clearly, Thai Airways in Bangkok requires proof that you have a ticket to leave Manila before they will fly you there.

However, I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags to print their own boarding pass. Is this an easy way to avoid having on onward ticket? Does the machine ask for details?

Simmer

07-16-15, 18:37

However, I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags to print their own boarding pass. Is this an easy way to avoid having on onward ticket? Does the machine ask for details?My guess would be it would tell you to check-in with a human. Sort of similar: you can't check-in online or at a machine for a flight to the US as a green card holder as the system can't find a valid ESTA for you (not required for GC holders) - at least with several of the big airlines like Delta anyway.

Wicked Roger

07-16-15, 22:41

However, I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags to print their own boarding pass. Is this an easy way to avoid having on onward ticket? Does the machine ask for details?I check in online a lot and you are still required to go to the bag drop to 'validate' the boarding pass if you are checking in bags. So you would still be asked. Now if you have hand luggage only that maybe different. Never tried that as always have check in baggage.

Red Kilt

07-18-15, 10:22

I check in online a lot and you are still required to go to the bag drop to 'validate' the boarding pass if you are checking in bags. So you would still be asked. Now if you have hand luggage only that maybe different. Never tried that as always have check in baggage.You're not paying attention WR.

I said ". I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags. ".

Of course you need a human to check in and tag check-in bags.

ShadowWalk702

07-18-15, 11:33

Advantageous

07-18-15, 15:19

Hey guys monger,

Here not sure where I should ask this, if I'm interested in visiting this place or Bangkok is this the right place to ask questions? My questions would be how much would I need to save up, probably most of the basic question thanks.Welcome, fellow newly posting member!

That's a really vague question you're asking, and the way you phrased it didn't really help. Saving up for what? Flights (to here, or Bangkok), your whole trip (to here or Bangkok), just P4P? Why post in the Philippine general info section for information about Bangkok, Thailand?

These questions and more (except that last question, seriously WTF) can be answered by reading the (additional f!) forums, a phrase whose acronym I'm sure other people will introduce you to quickly. My rule of thumb is if you haven't seen it answered after 20 pages or 6 months, it's worth asking again (due to SE Asia being in one big constant state of flux).

Now, go read the Bangkok forums and develop your own concept of a budget--different strokes (hehe) for different folks.

ShadowWalk702

07-18-15, 16:11

Welcome, fellow newly posting member!

That's a really vague question you're asking, and the way you phrased it didn't really help. Saving up for what? Flights (to here, or Bangkok), your whole trip (to here or Bangkok), just P4P? Why post in the Philippine general info section for information about Bangkok, Thailand?

These questions and more (except that last question, seriously WTF) can be answered by reading the (additional f!) forums, a phrase whose acronym I'm sure other people will introduce you to quickly. My rule of thumb is if you haven't seen it answered after 20 pages or 6 months, it's worth asking again (due to SE Asia being in one big constant state of flux).

Now, go read the Bangkok forums and develop your own concept of a budget--different strokes (hehe) for different folks.Thank you okay here we go then!

I live in Las Vegas, I plan on visiting the Phillipines or Thailand, which would would you guys recommend and why? How much should I be saving up for the flight / fun? I'd love to stay for a week or two? What do you guys think is best longer or shorter time? I don't really drink but I'd love to be able to see a girl every day I'm there. How much do girls generally run to see in Philippines / Bangkok? Do you guys strictly pick up girls who are working or do you pull civilians?

Thanks guys.

Wicked Roger

07-18-15, 22:54

You're not paying attention WR.

I said ". I noted a "check yourself in" station for travellers with carry-on bags. ".

Of course you need a human to check in and tag check-in bags.True.

Paying attention. Well I hate to say this but a sure you are pleased to hear this, but you are not cute and slime etc so I have trouble at my advanced years to pay attention at times LOL.

Seriously, once I do the self check in (and I do it online a lot now as saves a lot of hassle IMHO) they still ask for that pesky return ticket.

PirateMorgan

07-20-15, 07:23

Well one thing for sure. This is no time in our live to be hating malls. Do they have malls! S M Mall, Robinsons Fuente, and Ayala. All in Cebu. S M Mall and Alyala are huge. Huge by anyone standards. The country is third world but when in the mall you are 1st world. Especially Alyala. I could go on about designer this and restaurant that but not now. Suffice it to say that hanging around the outdoor cafes and coffee places really works for me. Really a delight. The food court prices will knock you over for being cheap! My girl ate for $2. 00 and loved it. Again, nice places, clean seating and nice clientele. The restaurants out on the outdoor style terrace all look inviting and are very inexpensive. I have started to not look at prices. I will do a write up on prices of things as time goes by.

Twice I walked away from our table outside on the Terraces and was hit on by different girls. I loved it. Finally something happening. One was very cute. I thought she was about 21. Nope. 32! I gave here my new phone number and maybe she will call tomorrow. This is a very good sign about meeting my future needs. I will going there alone this week for sure. Starbucks and chicas. Not a bad life.

ShadowWalk702

07-20-15, 07:43

Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me in the right direction?

Fastpiston

07-20-15, 07:51

For those of you concerned about your travel on a one-way ticket being inconvenienced by the demand of an onward ticket just buy an additional, refundable, one-way ticket with 1-year validity. You have to provide the agent a departure date, so choose one in the future that falls within the period of your visa. Yes, this ticket is more expensive than a discounted excursion ticket, which often aren't refundable, so the 'cost' is higher, but since you'll be refunding it later it needn't be a worry. You can cut your expense by choosing a nearby destination. You can also adjust the departure date to one later, but sometimes there is a nominal fee for this. The agent will email you a ticket with the new date. (This is useful when you are able to pick up a very cheap return fare, say Manila > HK > Manila, for a quick jaunt and may need to show proof of onward ticket departing Manila at a later date, just in case.) I've purchased these tickets directly from a brick-and-mortar agent rather than online and have processed the refund through the same agent. As long as your CC is adjusted and you don't have to physically pick up cash it really isn't a hassle.After many years experience traveling to Philippines, here are my observations on getting the exit ticket for Philippine immigration requirements:

1) Avoid buying the return ticket from a travel agent, it makes getting any refund slower and more complicated. Some will even try and say they will use the money refunded against a future ticket purchase.

2) Avoid buying the ticket on some airlines such as those in the Gulf area. Some of those airlines take many weeks to give a refund on a cancelled ticket.

3) Forget about automatic check in, even with no check-in bags, the counter will still want to inspect your passport / visa & exit ticket before giving a boarding pass.

4) I suspect a lot of the enthusiasm in requiring an exit ticket is to force you to buy one at the counter. Immigration in the Philippines rarely ask to see the ticket.

5) If you need to get a ticket, obviously buy the cheapest possible eg. Routing MNL to BKK or MNL to Singapore.

6) Buy an exit ticket a few days before expiry of your allowed exit date on your visa or allowed stay time (without visa), just in case you are ill or there is a typhoon on your planned exit date.

AfAsia

07-20-15, 08:20

Thank you okay here we go then!

I live in Las Vegas, I plan on visiting the Phillipines or Thailand, which would would you guys recommend and why? How much should I be saving up for the flight / fun? I'd love to stay for a week or two? What do you guys think is best longer or shorter time? I don't really drink but I'd love to be able to see a girl every day I'm there. How much do girls generally run to see in Philippines / Bangkok? Do you guys strictly pick up girls who are working or do you pull civilians?

Thanks guys.Go to both as I do, it is cheap to fly between the two countries. 8 days in each country should do, any longer and you wasting money. It is important to read the forum especially the reports of distinction thread and make notes on cost, clubs, bars, getting from A to be. All depending on your habits you can generalize your costs per day. Overall it cannot be stressed enough, reading the forum is of the most importance before undertaking a maiden trip to S E Asia.

As in any society girls are available wherever, a smile, gesture, charm will do, bargirls are not your only option. Enjoy and do let us know how you got on.

Red Kilt

07-20-15, 13:00

After many years experience traveling to Philippines, here are my observations on getting the exit ticket for Philippine immigration requirements:

1) Avoid buying the return ticket from a travel agent, it makes getting any refund slower and more complicated. Some will even try and say they will use the money refunded against a future ticket purchase.

2) Avoid buying the ticket on some airlines such as those in the Gulf area. Some of those airlines take many weeks to give a refund on a cancelled ticket.

3) Forget about automatic check in, even with no check-in bags, the counter will still want to inspect your passport / visa & exit ticket before giving a boarding pass.

4) I suspect a lot of the enthusiasm in requiring an exit ticket is to force you to buy one at the counter. Immigration in the Philippines rarely ask to see the ticket.

5) If you need to get a ticket, obviously buy the cheapest possible eg. Routing MNL to BKK or MNL to Singapore.

6) Buy an exit ticket a few days before expiry of your allowed exit date on your visa or allowed stay time (without visa), just in case you are ill or there is a typhoon on your planned exit date.All sensible advice FP. Re Point 4: Immigration will rarely ask to see a ticket because they know the airlines are required to check it. However, just last week a colleague of mine was actually asked, out of left field, where he was going after Manila. He said "back to Australia" and the immigration guy said "where in Australia? After he replied "Sydney" the officer asked "when"? At this stage, my colleague, who wasn't sure exactly when, took out his ticket, checked it and told the guy the date. Apparently satisfied, he was allowed to go on his way.

So there is always a chance the immigration guy will ask you something about your onward journey.

I cannot see any reason for anyone coming to the Philippines not to have an onward ticket anyway, especially if it allows flight changes down the line (usually it's not much more expensive, and it allows piece of mind). Buying a cheap ticket with locked-in dates is high risk IMHO, especially in the Phils where lots of things can go wrong.

BTW. I just returned from Laos on an early morning departure exactly 9 hours after my visa had expired at midnight on the day before. Off to the side room to pay my $7 usd fine (it's $7 per day) with receipt and all. Virtually no delay for me but it was a reminder not to f**k around with immigration requirements although it was apparent to them that I had extended for 30 days which was the maximum allowed. The Lao immig guy who fined me knew (from his computer) that I have NEVER overstayed anywhere before, because he told me when he joked that I should have left yesterday.

Wicked Roger

07-20-15, 14:59

Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me int the right direction?Why can't you research airline prices that gives you an idea of travel costs to the country. If you fly First Class then clearly this is a tad more expensive than Cattle Class or a freebie using frequent flyer miles / reward programme.

Then you an research hotel discount web sites that if you had RTFF (methinks you did not bother) you would find a variety of suggestions.

If you further RTFF then other costs are easy to find. Or Google as it is also there.

This is what many do when visiting a new place (myself included) so why do you think you are special and need assistance.

The Philippines thread has a wealth of information. If you spend time to check and research the forum.

RTFF and you will find LOL.

Red Kilt

07-21-15, 04:23

Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me int the right direction?I think WR and others have been quite gentle with you SW702.

I guess you haven't travelled much because the questions that you asked simply cannot be answered by anyone, because there are too many variables.

For example, travel expenses.

To get to Manila, you can buy a first class seat or you can get a cut-price budget seat that might be available for one-day only. As WR suggests, you need to log in to the various carriers. I receive emails from a couple of airlines whenever they have specials available.

Again; travelling around places like Manila can vary from walking to using regular taxis to buses to trains to having a hotel taxi. Prices can vary from 8 pesos to 1500 pesos depending on distance and mode of travel.

So many variables.

Re being cautious. No difference whether you're in LV, LA, Sydney, London, Rome, Manila or Bkk.

Pickpockets lurk everywhere.

You need simple common sense, and an ability to make quick decisions based on your own acceptance of levels of risk.

Now go and read the ISG forums; start with the Philippines Manila thread and work backwards.

Then go to Thailand Bangkok reports and read backwards and decide where you fit in the universe.

Dg8787

07-21-15, 05:21

Can anyone reply to my last post for help please? I'm curious as to travel expenses and what I should be cautious of when visiting, anyone point me int the right direction?No problem sir. Travel is very cheap. Best to get plane tickets on sale usually booking in advance gets you the best price. Hotels and food are so cheap, no need to count your pesos or bahts. Transportation is very cheap and abundant too.

No need to read and learn from other people's experience. Just go and experience it yourself. If you have any trouble or run low on money then just go to your respective embassy for help.

Wicked Roger

07-21-15, 10:14

I think WR and others have been quite gentle with you SW702.

I guess you haven't travelled much because the questions that you asked simply cannot be answered by anyone, because there are too many variables.

So many variables.

Now go and read the ISG forums; start with the Philippines Manila thread and work backwards.

Then go to Thailand Bangkok reports and read backwards and decide where you fit in the universe.Rk,

Are you trying to malign my reputation as an "abrasive poster" - or so say certain people LOL. Am really a cuddly teddy bear with a few kinks (insert smiley here).

It did cross my mind not to be that 'gentle' but really the whole FR was full of so many variables as you said, and could be organised / answered say in 30-60 minutes with Google, RTFF and other consolidator web sites.

Sometimes I wonder about people who can't even do the basic in this Internet age. I know we are both old fogeys (but I am way more guapo LOL) but both of us can figure out an order of magnitude answer to those questions using our own gumption so can most people methinks.

D Cups

07-21-15, 14:03

You crack me up, Dg! You forgot to mention the pussy is very cheap, too, and sometimes free!

No problem sir. Travel is very cheap. Best to get plane tickets on sale usually booking in advance gets you the best price. Hotels and food are so cheap, no need to count your pesos or bahts. Transportation is very cheap and abundant too.

No need to read and learn from other people's experience. Just go and experience it yourself. If you have any trouble or run low on money then just go to your respective embassy for help..

Dg8787

07-21-15, 17:55

You crack me up, Dg! You forgot to mention the pussy is very cheap, too, and sometimes free!

.Oh crap! I thought that was the hole purpose for the visex, free pussy or peso cheap ones! Oh, I am giving too much info now.

Member #4387

07-23-15, 17:38

On the Todays EK332 arrival from Dubai I was strangly the first deplaning. The usual masstransportationsystem aka peoplemover was out of order. We docked at a remote gate so this was the first one. I did almost lose my breath as the second peoplemover belt WAS ACTUALLY working. No traffic in immigration (business class line) and bags arrived 10 min after. Easy breeze, 20 min or so at the T3 before heading to Fairmont. Haven't been here so many times so when the girls allready started to pop in 30 min after my arrival here they raised some eyebrows but nothing I am worried about. After 3 girlie encounters since 6:30pm they will get used to it. Number 4, a 2am arrival, is on her way:-)

KongKing

07-24-15, 04:51

A debate has been running of the Philippines "Other Areas" board about the oversight of the board, moderation, and freedom of expression. I now cut and post my response on that forum to this "General Info" forum, as I think it more appropriate here.

I'm saying there are basically two ways to run the board:
1) Let anyone post anything he wants.
2) Keep some kind of order to it.

I prefer #2.I agree with your opinion Westcoast. But it is a free board where it is so easy for anyone to post anything, anywhere, (like here under "Other Areas" We do need some form of disciplined approach and order. And it is through guys like yourself WC that the Philippines Forum is one of ISG's better ones. I also agree WC with your stance on the "Photo Galley" being for posting of photos and not being clogged up with other comments when there is a separate "Photo Gallery Chit Chat" for photo discussion and feedback.

But, my opinion, I do disagree with you WC on the need to post a field report before you can ask a forum question. I don't mind questions from anyone, newbies or otherwise. But questions where the answers are pretty obvious with a simple scroll back in the forum or a simple Google search, should be exposed for what they are -lazy research. I am with you WC on those that keep asking questions, but never see a report of the ultimate exerience.

Most of the lazy questions come from newbies who discover the board and immediately fire off some inane request that regular readers know has been "done to death" in many different places. I just skip past them nowadays; I cannot even be bothered reminding them to RTFF. What's the point of encouraging lazy newbies who (in WCs words) take but don't give (rhetorical question).Well said Red Kilt. It is these lazy, sometimes inane, questions that can frustrate more experienced members like WC who, I must say is one of the most generous in sharing information, and photos, on these forums, or by way of a personal messages.

Kongking.

Wicked Roger

07-24-15, 06:40

But, my opinion, I do disagree with you WC on the need to post a field report before you can ask a forum question. I don't mind questions from anyone, newbies or otherwise. But questions where the answers are pretty obvious with a simple scroll back in the forum or a simple Google search, should be exposed for what they are -lazy research. I am with you WC on those that keep asking questions, but never see a report of the ultimate exerience.

Well said Red Kilt. It is these lazy, sometimes inane, questions that can frustrate more experienced members like WC who, I must say is one of the most generous in sharing information, and photos, on these forums, or by way of a personal messages.

Kongking.Well said KK. My issue is that those who are 'called out' tend be the lazy kind and then object to be asked to provide a read more. On the UAE board they are termed 'manager class' - plenty of those and mostly from the Indian sub continent as well (look at the Indian board for really bad examples).

The manager class can ruin a board and over time take it over where everyone asks for information so those with it drop off.

GoodEnough

07-24-15, 12:33

Member #4387

07-24-15, 12:52

I'm at the Fairmont as well, though absent an entourage. Hope you enjoy the hotel. Maybe we'll run into each other at breakfast.

GE.Hehe I can not remember last time I did a hotelbreakfast. It could happen if I get in from lets say a nightclub and the dine is open. I PM you.

Mbsl65

07-24-15, 17:15

A debate has been running of the Philippines "Other Areas" board about the oversight of the board, moderation, and freedom of expression. I now cut and post my response on that forum to this "General Info" forum, as I think it more appropriate here.

g.Thank you very much for bringing the discussion to here. Actually it was a better idea that more folks can read and get informed.

WestCoast1

07-24-15, 21:34

Red Kilt

07-25-15, 00:34

Gents, thanks for the feedback. I guess I can lighten up on newb members, and possibly respond to their questions in PM.

WC.As I said in another post WC: I usually send a PM to those newbs who are actually paid-up members but I just ignore the lazy questions from guys who are not members. Ignoring is sometimes just as effective as flaming.

Member #4387

07-25-15, 03:16

Gents, thanks for the feedback. I guess I can lighten up on newb members, and possibly respond to their questions in PM.

WC.Yeah as RK just ignore nubes. In the photosection I think you do great job policing though. Keep that one up but in general sections let them be left alone ex the ones bothering to pay membership.

WestCoast1

07-25-15, 05:31

3 weeks ago.

Random99

07-25-15, 14:52

3 weeks ago.West. I just went to changed some money today at Czarina foreign exchange in Glorietta. It was 45.40 (within. 15 of the spot rate).

Gangles

07-25-15, 15:26

With a bunch of guys, I had gone to one of the local girl bars.

After a short time, my attention was caught by a gorgeous pinay tucked between the legs of one of the guys next to me, and she was rubbing her ass in his crotch. She had a very pretty face, flashing smile, bubbly personality. And a tight spinner body.

He had his arms draped familiarly around her shoulders.

I asked if they had known each other for a while. The story came out from both of them.

She pulled down the front of her micro skirt to show his name tattooed across her pubic bone.

They had known each other for about 7 years. He had come across her at that time as a GRO in another local bar, and had barfined her. From then, he was a fairly regular customer.

After a while, one evening when he was about to BF her again, the other girls clamored that it was her birthday, and that they should all go back to his apartment.

The girls there tried to push the two of them into the bedroom for a quick boom boom, when he casually asked how old she was.

The girls were all laughing when they told him that this was her 16th birthday. He reared back, and told her that he cannot do this any more. So they cooled it for 2 years, till she was 18, and they restarted. Now she is 22.

She was laughing her head off when she explained that she had borrowed her sister's birth certificate, and had had a few other IDs created around it. So the bar recognized her as being 18, and legal.

So gents, there you have it. Be conservative.

Regards,

G

Gangles

07-25-15, 16:28

After an absence of about 6 weeks, the GF and I went to our favourite pinoy bar.

We were a bit later than usual, and we stayed a bit later than usual. Past 1 am. Way past my bed time.

We got there at about 9 pm, the place was about a third full. Maybe 20 customers. Some girls getting drinks. Maybe 5 or 6.

There were more dancers doing their numbers naked than usual, and some of them were directly flashing their pussies at my GF. Wow.

As the night went on, more groups of guys coming in, usually with one guy buying drinks, and at some time, agreeing to ladies drinks. So the mamasan organizes a line-up, and some girls are chosen for closer attention.

Later in the evening, a beautiful, tall, slim dancer stripped naked. After her routine, she was sitting at the front of the stage, and a bunch of young guys was calling across to her, and her friend. Both of them moved over to two of the guys. The gorgeous one stared a long, saucy routine, to extract more ladies drinks from her customer. Bra and panties only, then grinding her ass in the crotch, then turn around, grinding pubic bone into his crotch, the bra off and tits in face. Then turn around and pull down panties to show bare ass. This went on for a good hour, and we both found it really amusing. Both of them were having a great time. But it seemed that at some time he ran out of money (ld at 400 pesos), and she cleared off, with her friend.

Where we were sitting, at the front corner of the stage, we were also looking into the dressing room. The door was always open. Interestingly, when many of the girls finished their routines still dressed, as soon as they got into the dressing room, they stripped off and ran around in the buff.

At about 1 am, I went to the CR, which is on a slightly higher level. And when I came out, I looked around the room. The place was packed, Waiters were scrounging around for every chair that they could find. I estimated about 70 customers pouring beers down their throats. Almost all of the girls were with customers pulling LD's. Bustling around, women walking around the room naked, the place was a real money machine.

Just amazing.

As always before, the GF was really hot, turned on. Life is good.

G

WestCoast1

07-25-15, 19:47

West. I just went to changed some money today at Czarina foreign exchange in Glorietta. It was 45.40 (within. 15 of the spot rate).Thanks R99. The needle continues to inch up. Few weeks ago I was getting 45.00 to 45.05 in Cebu and also the province. When I returned to Makati, in the Burgos area the places were quoting 44.80-44.95; and then in Malate it was 44.90-45.00 (just one place had 45, the rest were just a hair below 45.00).

Pcpc1688

07-25-15, 21:05

West. I just went to changed some money today at Czarina foreign exchange in Glorietta. It was 45.40 (within. 15 of the spot rate).Guess this is the place to go now. I presume all the locations have the same rate going right?

PC out.

Random99

07-25-15, 21:39

Thanks R99. The needle continues to inch up. Few weeks ago I was getting 45.00 to 45.05 in Cebu and also the province. When I returned to Makati, in the Burgos area the places were quoting 44.80-44.95; and then in Malate it was 44.90-45.00 (just one place had 45, the rest were just a hair below 45.00).I've never been interested in forex before although I did interview for a trading job out of school. Looking back, the job seemed a little Boiler roomish and I ended up getting a normal job instead. I did look at the dollar vs PHP charts and holy heck, in the mid-2000's. The rate was bonkers. I can't imagine what it would be like if the rate climbed up to the mid-50's range.

The dollar has been getting stronger (haven't cared enough to research why). To do a fair comparison, it's good just to google "dollar vs philippine peso". You'll get the current spot rate and you'll be able to compare vs the store's rate.

Guess this is the place to go now. I presume all the locations have the same rate going right?

PC out.

My general rule is not to assume anything in PH. Common sense would say they are the same for all branches, but *shrug* - it's the Philippines.

Random99

07-26-15, 08:52

Thank you okay here we go then!

I live in Las Vegas, I plan on visiting the Phillipines or Thailand, which would would you guys recommend and why? How much should I be saving up for the flight / fun? I'd love to stay for a week or two? What do you guys think is best longer or shorter time? I don't really drink but I'd love to be able to see a girl every day I'm there. How much do girls generally run to see in Philippines / Bangkok? Do you guys strictly pick up girls who are working or do you pull civilians?

Thanks guys.I am going to make a judgement call and read between the lines. Seems like you don't have a lot of travel sense, so I would recommend Thailand. If the comparison is Bangkok vs Manila and Pattaya vs Angeles, Thailand has a leg up on being a bit more user friendly and modern.

I am not going to comment on how much you need to save since it should be obvious that there is a range of prices for airlines / hotels which is readily available on the internet. I would budget $50-$200 / day for the girls depending on your taste level.

JiffyPark

07-26-15, 13:12

WestCoast1

07-26-15, 15:45

After an absence of about 6 weeks, the GF and I went to our favourite pinoy bar.

SNIP

Where we were sitting, at the front corner of the stage, we were also looking into the dressing room. The door was always open. Interestingly, when many of the girls finished their routines still dressed, as soon as they got into the dressing room, they stripped off and ran around in the buff.

At about 1 am, I went to the CR, which is on a slightly higher level. And when I came out, I looked around the room. The place was packed, Waiters were scrounging around for every chair that they could find. I estimated about 70 customers pouring beers down their throats. Almost all of the girls were with customers pulling LD's. Bustling around, women walking around the room naked, the place was a real money machine.

Just amazing.Davao? Makati / Burgos? AC? What bar? You gave me a stiffie with that FR.

Dashing Don

07-27-15, 00:56

Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.

Pcpc1688

07-27-15, 03:05

Guys,

In Manila for 7-8 days and then I would like to take a side trip too one of these 2 places. Cost isn't really a factor but I may want to take 1 or 2 ladies with me. Which is the better place to go or if I go alone which place has the better girl option there. It would be very nice to lay on the beach and get laid all day lone too. LOL.

Any comments and suggestions are appreciated.

PC out.

Mogwai

07-27-15, 09:09

Mogwai

07-27-15, 09:10

Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.Really? (see also previous reply).

Engine Driver

07-27-15, 09:27

Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.I'm not sure if you are asking this question as a joke or what? There is a whole thread here on how to get to AC from Manila by bus and by car.

Since you might be 'Manager Class', getting a car from your Manila hotel straight to your AC hotel might be the best option at between 2,500 - 3000 PHP.

Red Kilt

07-27-15, 10:16

I'm not sure if you are asking this question as a joke or what? There is a whole thread here on how to get to AC from Manila by bus and by car.

Since you might be 'Manager Class', getting a car from your Manila hotel straight to your AC hotel might be the best option at between 2,500 - 3000 PHP.I think DD is trolling to try to get someone like Westy or WR to lash out at him.

Some of us who read this forum daily shake our heads and wonder that if some of these guys ever do make their way to the Philippines they will get eaten alive by girls, touts and assorted thugs. As my old Mum would say: "he shouldn't be let out on his own".

That said, Don my good fellow: check out http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3655-What-is-the-best-way-to-travel-to-Angeles-City-from-Manila-(NAIA) -airport. I am sure you can guess your way around the additional information needed to get there from your hotel if not NAIA.

Dg8787

07-27-15, 10:37

Can anyone tell me how to get the bus from Manila to Angeles? Thanks in advance.Who ever can tell him how, please show him how to catch the bus from Angeles back to Manila.

Pip Jaeger

07-27-15, 13:05

Davao? Makati / Burgos? AC? What bar? You gave me a stiffie with that FR.Most likely in the Subic / AC area; but the specific name of the bar is the type of info that should only be shared via PM as we all know various law enforcement groups and NGO's peruse the board = name the bar, they raid it and the good times go away.

At G = sounds like you and GF1 are having a great time and getting settled in. Thanks for the report and look forward to seeing you when I get back.

Wicked Roger

07-28-15, 01:20

X Man

07-28-15, 05:07

Here is a good one: http://feelippines.com.

Hi guys,

I was wondering does anyone know any good sites to learn about The Philippines as I have never been there and know nothing at all I am trying to get all the resources I can especially mongering side of things.

If you know any good sites that you don't want mentioned I can accept private messages I just signed up.

Thanks

GoodEnough

07-28-15, 13:56

Hi guys,

I was wondering does anyone know any good sites to learn about The Philippines as I have never been there and know nothing at all I am trying to get all the resources I can especially mongering side of things.

If you know any good sites that you don't want mentioned I can accept private messages I just signed up.

ThanksI'm rereading a book called "America's Boy," written by an author named Hamilton. It offers perhaps the best, most profound, explanation of Philippine culture I've ever read, and sets cultural habits and characteristics into a rich historical context. I think if you read that, you will not more about this place than 90% of those who contribute to this board. This latter comment isn't meant to disparage anyone, but the book contains so much rich socio-cultural information, and is so well researched, that it casual visitors here would be unlikely to randomly discover such information themselves. I find myself going back to read entire passages that establish contexts for behaviors that I've never been able to understand before.

GE.

PirateMorgan

07-28-15, 16:00

I live in a very uninspiring neighborhood here in Cebu and the apartment building has 5 MB x. 60 MB wired Internet of which I am usually the only user. The carrier is PLDT. Happy to report the service is pretty good with few if any interruptions. I bought a Tattoo 3 g unit that connects via its own wifi or USB. Forget it, at least where I live. Almost doesn't connect at all. So don't count on it at least in my poor neighborhood.

WestCoast1

07-28-15, 19:44

I'm rereading a book called "America's Boy," written by an author named Hamilton. It offers perhaps the best, most profound, explanation of Philippine culture I've ever read, and sets cultural habits and characteristics into a rich historical context. I think if you read that, you will not more about this place than 90% of those who contribute to this board. This latter comment isn't meant to disparage anyone, but the book contains so much rich socio-cultural information, and is so well researched, that it casual visitors here would be unlikely to randomly discover such information themselves. I find myself going back to read entire passages that establish contexts for behaviors that I've never been able to understand before.

GE.Interestingly, Amazon.com has two versions of the book by the same name, same author (two different publishers, different number of pages):

http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Century-Colonialism-Philippines/dp/0805061185/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-2&keywords=america's+boy

http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Marcoses-Philippines-Faber-ebook/dp/B00KV1HYNY/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-3&keywords=america's+boy

WhatsUrName

07-28-15, 23:11

Looking at the 5 FRs appears you maybe an Aussie. If so this is embarrassing for Aussies that you ask such a question on a board like this. Not sure if RK and others would be proud to say they are Aussie to after this type of FR would question the IQ of Aussies LOL.

Why not try Google? Always a good start.I doubt I am the first to think of this, but just a thought. I checked the version of VBulletin that ISG runs on and it should support Sticky threads. We can Sticky a few posts that appear at the top of the forum to answer the most common newbie questions. I imagine Jackson has a reason for not enabling this feature for select moderators in times past, but it may be worth a try to ask him again.

Just a couple of ideas for good sticky threads:

1. The Newbie's guide to mongering in the Philippines with sample itineraries for 3 day, 7 day, and 14 day trips.

2. The guide to mongering in AC.

3. Top ten things to do in the Philippines besides mongering. Stuff like a trip to Tagaytay, the Chocolate Hills, Palawan or Borocay, Scuba, whale sharks, etc.

4. Playing the Manila Dating site game like a pro. By Skogis.

5. The definitive guide to Mongering in Makati by Hutsori.

Wicked Roger

07-29-15, 00:01

Here is a good one: http://feelippines.com.Nice one XMan, seen a few similar blogs etc around in cyberspace.

Jiffy Park sent me an email in response to my FR regarding using Google etc (see below) calling me a moron. Thanks Jiffy - 5 FRs and people who live her and contribute are morons?

Oh well see'est LE vie JP but I see you got hundreds of replies to you rather inane question on a board with so much information you don't even need Google.

GE = good FR and something I will read (probably too high brow for JP LOL).

JiffyPark

07-29-15, 01:06

Thanks for the information much appreciated, I like the sticky idea which would help a lot of newbie.

Member #4387

07-29-15, 04:00

In my recent trip I met a girl (a repeat girl from previous trips)I could not bang. She had become to chubby. She started out as a spinner approx 2 months back. Got herself a overseas WU bloke and obviously now uses all her time digging in all the fastfoods she can get hold of. I had to let her go. In 2 months she gained an awful lot of pounds. Is this what we want? Atleast I don't. With a humoristic twist let them girl be so they have to work for the money.

Red Kilt

07-29-15, 04:17

Interestingly, Amazon.com has two versions of the book by the same name, same author (two different publishers, different number of pages):

http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Century-Colonialism-Philippines/dp/0805061185/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-2&keywords=america's+boy

http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Boy-Marcoses-Philippines-Faber-ebook/dp/B00KV1HYNY/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1438108734&sr=1-3&keywords=america's+boyI have the book in front of me. I read it soon after I first came to the Philippines.

It is called "America's Boy: The Marcoses and the Philippines" by James Hamilton-Paterson. It's a well-researched biography of Marcos and his wife but has lots of stereotypes in it that show the author's bias.

My copy is published by Anvil Publishing; first printed in 1998 and printed onn that horrible cheap newsprint favored by Philippines book publishers; available from National Books. The faded price tag says 210 php so if it is still in print it may cost more now. (PS. I just noticed on Westy's link that Amazon have it available on Kindle for $12.86, so it's still available).

My own preference if you want to understand filipino culture more is to read the books by F. Sionil Jose. He writes like Rizal by putting fiction into exact historical places and context. The best one for understanding the filipino woman is "Ermita", about a filipina of that name (no prizes for guessing where she was born).

Hutsori

07-29-15, 04:41

We can Sticky a few posts that appear at the top of the forum to answer the most common newbie questions.Though technically not stickies there are 'user blogs' - at the main Philippines' forum page scroll down and you'll see them - anyone can create and others can add to. I made two, one for Viagra and the other for Angeles transport to / from NAIA, because I grew tired of seeing these two questions asked every other day. Certainly the short-day 1-day or less user blog would be a good addition.

5. The definitive guide to Mongering in Makati by Hutsori.I'm the wrong fella to ask about that. I use the dating sites, craigslist, and once or twice a week check a few bars and nightclubs. I rarely go to Burgos and Havana; when I do it's because I have some friends in town.

Hutsori

07-29-15, 05:21

My own preference if you want to understand filipino culture more is to read the books by F. Sionil Jose. He writes like Rizal by putting fiction into exact historical places and context. The best one for understanding the filipino woman is "Ermita", about a filipina of that name (no prizes for guessing where she was born).I echo this recommendation of F. Sionil Jose. Gagamba I feel it's his best single novel and the five-novel Rosales saga is excellent. He owns La Solidaridad bookshop in Ermita's Padre Faura St, a store filled with Philippine-centric works on politics, economics, and society. He also writes opinion pieces, such as this one http://www.philstar.com/arts-and-culture/725822/why-we-are-shallow, in the Philstar newspaper. He has strong anti-Chinoy views that some have labelled racist, so there's a trigger warning.

Another great novelist is Nick Joaquin, The Woman Who Had Two Navels, but I'd recommend his Culture and History, a collection of essays that challenge contemporary Filipino nationalism.

Historian, writer and journalist Ambeth Ocampo, who Jose admires, ought to be read by those interested in Rizal and the Philippines.

Red Kilt

07-29-15, 06:41

I echo this recommendation of F. Sionil Jose. Gagamba I feel it's his best single novel and the five-novel Rosales saga is excellent. He owns La Solidaridad bookshop in Ermita's Padre Faura St, a store filled with Philippine-centric works on politics, economics, and society. He also writes opinion pieces, such as this one http://www.philstar.com/arts-and-culture/725822/why-we-are-shallow, in the Philstar newspaper. He has strong anti-Chinoy views that some have labelled racist, so there's a trigger warning.
I agree with all your recommendations Huts and the debate on both sides about F. J. Jose's views on Chinoys has been quite intelligent (for the most part).

After I got hooked on all of Frankie Jose's novels (including the excellent Rosales saga about Ilokanos that Huts mentioned), I was taken to meet the great man who was sitting outside his bookshop in Padre Faura not far from Robinsons. He was rather intimidating at first with his idiosyncratic French artist's beret), but he was OK after a while (call me Frankie).

The sad thing in all of this is that there are some very deep and intelligent thinkers, writers, dramatists and musicians in the Philippines, but their voices are lost in the noise made by the millions for whom culture is noon-time TV, the singing and dancing shows on weekend TV, telenovelas, pinoy big brother and Manny Pacquiao. I cannot see it changing in my lifetime.

GoodEnough

07-29-15, 07:44

I have the book in front of me. I read it soon after I first came to the Philippines.

It is called "America's Boy: The Marcoses and the Philippines" by James Hamilton-Paterson. It's a well-researched biography of Marcos and his wife but has lots of stereotypes in it that show the author's bias.

My copy is published by Anvil Publishing; first printed in 1998 and printed onn that horrible cheap newsprint favored by Philippines book publishers; available from National Books. The faded price tag says 210 php so if it is still in print it may cost more now. (PS. I just noticed on Westy's link that Amazon have it available on Kindle for $12.86, so it's still available).

My own preference if you want to understand filipino culture more is to read the books by F. Sionil Jose. He writes like Rizal by putting fiction into exact historical places and context. The best one for understanding the filipino woman is "Ermita", about a filipina of that name (no prizes for guessing where she was born).No argument with RK here. Those are excellent sources. However, I was particularly interested in the nuances of the relationship, its etiology and continuation, between this country and the USA For me, the cultural insights were a very worthwhile bonus. It's true there are lots of stereotypes, but it's difficult to see how you can hope to describe a culture accurately without the use of stereotypes.

GE.

X Man

07-29-15, 16:55

WR, You've been a bit cranky lately. Take a deep breath of air (hopefully not jeepney fumes) and relax.

A pm is a pm and I think it should stay that way. Your public message to J wasn't especially kind. He replied by pm. PM should stay pm.

The Internet is a huge source of information, some of which is total crap. Asking senior members for an interesting or favorite or useful or thought-invoking URL isn't so "inane" if you really think about it. And in the end we even get a few book recommendations!

I've seen a few Philippine related blogs. There is one in particular that strikes me as inane. Can anyone guess which one it is? LOL.

SNIP SNIP SNIP .

JiffyPark

07-29-15, 22:18

I was asking the question as I thought it would be a good chance to find out different people's sites and books they find beneficial, I also thought it may help get me get to know some people in this forum which is why I didn't want to use google as I am new here and just signed up.

Wicked Roger. Sorry for calling you a moron mate that was silly although I did feel you where rude in your post to me when all I wanted to do is hopefully build a rapport and get to know people here who have a common interest.

Pinaypounder

07-30-15, 04:13

Pcpc1688

07-30-15, 16:11

Rate tonight at NAIA was 45.50 to 1. This is a great deal for anyone coming soon.

PC out.

Pcpc1688

07-30-15, 16:12

Bring TAKE OUT to Borocay!Might be going to Cebu better. Seems like connections and more peeps there LOL.

Whats the action like in Cebu gents?

PC out.

Wicked Roger

07-31-15, 03:09

Might be going to Cebu better. Seems like connections and more peeps there LOL.

Whats the action like in Cebu gents?

PC out.There is a separate thread on Cebu and has lots information plus some (many and me) prefer it to Manila or AC but YMMV. Look on the Cebu thread as there you can find what you need.

Pcpc1688

07-31-15, 16:33

There is a separate thread on Cebu and has lots information plus some (many and me) prefer it to Manila or AC but YMMV. Look on the Cebu thread as there you can find what you need.So there is, Jackson musta been hiding it.

Well in Makati and thus far got 2 massagis and 3 HJs. I haven't been Skoggizied yet LOL.

PC out.

Member #4387

08-06-15, 16:58

On my two last trips I have on impulse went down to Rustans to upgrade my suitcases into the newest Samsonite. Bought one big with four wheels and on the last trip I bought a carry on also with four wheels (see pics below). I paid approx US600 for the big one and US400 for the carry on at Rustans.

Walking downtown Oslo today looking for a gift for my mother I thought what the heck I buy her a Samsonite red like mine. Well inside the Samsonite store I grabbed a red one and when I paid it was only US300 (inkl US30 in discount). I ran over to look at the price for the carry on and it was US150 only.

I new Rustans wasn't cheap but this was a tad to much. After all I am talking Norwegian prices here. I guess I have to stop running around in the hornyfog and buy everything in impulse.

Wicked Roger

08-07-15, 01:53

On my two last trips I have on impulse went down to Rustans to upgrade my suitcases into the newest Samsonite. Bought one biggy with four wheels and on the last trip I bought a carry on also with four wheels (see pics below). I paid approx US600 for the big one and US400 for the carry on at Rustans.

Walking downtown Oslo today looking for a gift for my mother I thought what the heck I buy her a Samsonite red like mine. Well inside the Samsonite store I grabbed a red one and when I paid it was only US300 (inkl US30 in discount). I ran over to look at the price for the carry on and it was US150 only.

I new Rustans wasnt cheap but this was a tad to much. After all I am talking norwegian prices here. I guess I have to stop running around in the hornyfog and buy everything in impulse.I paid around $350 for the larger one in Australia. Rustan (well anywhere that ells imported goods) has a huge mark up and unless you are lucky to shop overseas to get price comparisons (and / or are not in a hornyfog) then that is the unfortunate price you pay. Price up MAC make up in Rustans for example and buy in Dubai for instance (can be 50% difference!

BTW, are you telling member here you actually wear light colored moccasins? Or just in the room? LOL.

Mua Tur

08-07-15, 02:48

Rate tonight at NAIA was 45.50 to 1. This is a great deal for anyone coming soon.

PC out.Airport is the must place for money changing for the just arrivals. But if some one in Pasay I found a place higher rate than airport. Just right of the Taft Ave. MRT there is Market building (connected with the station on 2nd floor). Just climb the stairs (beside the Mcdonald, now closed for renovation), end of the first floor (not ground floor) there are couple of money changers ready to provide better rate.

FritsVanegter

08-07-15, 09:55

Hello,

When I buy things like a back pack shoes I will try to buy the local brands when I need to buy one when I am in Asia. I did buy Sandugo sandals and they keep serving me very well. If you buy back packs likes Thule (my favorite brand 25 years guarantee in the Netherlands) and you buy them in BKK they will be similar price and most of the times higher than in Europe. Usually if you can to places where the tourist buy you will get garbage if you are not willing to be a good price.

I remember talking to some students in HCMC. They were are using copy Samsonite back packs everyone of them had some some zippers broken but they didn't care. Being locals they pay 5 to 10 $ so just buy a new one. So just buy a new one every year.

BUT you don't want to walk around with broken zippers in district one in HCMC being a tourist. OOH the locals are subject to crime too.

Did buy a Thule back pack for a Vietnamese friend but did buy it in the Netherlands.

She did give me Vietnamese pepper (and some other things as well) so when I was back in BKK I asked a restaurant owner where to buy a pepper mill. She did send me to Emporium where they did sell; the Peugeot (the car company that did start making coffee and pepper mills) brand but at least 50 % more expensive than in my country. So I remember seeing one in food land. I thought they one have one, food land is a good company, so this one would be good. Well it wasn't ended up buying a Peugeot in the Netherlands.

The only thing where you should pay for in Asia is food and pussy.

I have been trying to meet some girls online in the Philippines. Yesterday I did talk to a nice 22 year old. She did ask me about time in my country. Oooh here we are six hours ahead she said. I said not really because here in Europe it is 2016 and guess what she believed it but was not really sure. Later she did check and said I think you are wrong you don't know what year it is.

Things like this worry me should I just go AC just pay and have sex or go to 'remote' cities and spend all day with a beauty with almost no brains and I hope I can fuck here before the end of the day?

So far I did focus on cities like General Santos, Butuan and Davao and Cagayan de oro. Will go early December so have check which will probably have not typhoons.

Greetings,

Frits

Simmer

08-07-15, 16:45

Airport is the must place for money changing for the just arrivals. But if some one in Pasay I found a place higher rate than airport. Just right of the Taft Ave. MRT there is Market building (connected with the station on 2nd floor). Just climb the stairs (beside the Mcdonald, now closed for renovation), end of the first floor (not ground floor) there are couple of money changers ready to provide better rate.Maybe Manila is different but generally in the world, the airport is one of the worst places to change money. They have a captive audience that needs money right now, and they reflect that in a crappy exchange rate.

Pcpc1688

08-07-15, 18:50

Airport is the must place for money changing for the just arrivals. But if some one in Pasay I found a place higher rate than airport. Just right of the Taft Ave. MRT there is Market building (connected with the station on 2nd floor). Just climb the stairs (beside the Mcdonald, now closed for renovation), end of the first floor (not ground floor) there are couple of money changers ready to provide better rate.Thanks for tip however given the pain in the ass traffic, me not knowing if the money is good, being mugged by the local mafia (jk) seems like the ones right outside the Baggage claim were the winners at the time. I knew the money was real, or at least seemed real. LOL.

PC out.

Mbsl65

08-08-15, 00:52

Maybe Manila is different but generally in the world, the airport is one of the worst places to change money. They have a captive audience that needs money right now, and they reflect that in a crappy exchange rate.You are correct. Especially in Cebu Mactan Airport is terrible. At least 7-8% lower than bank rates. I usually keep around 2000-3000 p for my next trip and it is in my packing list to bring it with me.

Mbsl65

08-08-15, 00:56

Hello,

So far I did focus on cities like General Santos, Butuan and Davao and Cagayan de oro. Will go early December so have check which will probably have not typhoons.

Greetings,

FritsWhere do you recommend to stay in General Santos City?

Pcpc1688

08-08-15, 02:09

[QUOTE=Fritsvanegter.

The only thing where you should pay for in Asia is food and pussy.

I have been trying to meet some girls online in the Philippines. Yesterday I did talk to a nice 22 year old. She did ask me about time in my country. Oooh here we are six hours ahead she said. I said not really because here in Europe it is 2016 and guess what she believed it but was not really sure. Later she did check and said I think you are wrong you don't know what year it is.

Things like this worry me should I just go AC just pay and have sex or go to 'remote' cities and spend all day with a beauty with almost no brains and I hope I can fuck here before the end of the day?

So far I did focus on cities like General Santos, Butuan and Davao and Cagayan de oro. Will go early December so have check which will probably have not typhoons.

Greetings,

The only things you should remember while in Phils is that the food is so so with too much MsG in it, the girls are as smart as a 2 x4, and when you ask something be prepared to asked 3 more times.

If in Manila, add 1 hour to every cab trip unless you go to hotel lobby which should be faster than getting anywhere else you want to go.

Order a girl at 3 pm and your lucky is she arrives at 430 as 4 Jeepneys 2 buses and she might get there unless your staying in Burgos you just go straight to the streets there but lots of LBs so beware.

PC out.

Mua Tur

08-08-15, 02:52

Thanks for tip however given the pain in the ass traffic, me not knowing if the money is good, being mugged by the local mafia (jk) seems like the ones right outside the Baggage claim were the winners at the time. I knew the money was real, or at least seemed real. LOL.

PC out.As some one says every airports take advantage on just arrived passengers to provide far lower rate than the market price. But really Manila airport is different than others. Provided rates are very little difference with the market price. So no need to arrive Taft Ave MRT just for having little advantages. My tips are for those guys already are in Pasay. So you can skip the pain on your ass to be given by the traffic if you intending to arrive pasay only for better price. LOL.

Although outside of arrival lounge, NAIA 3 there are Airport Loop Line white buses departs for Pasay in every 20/30 min interval. Any one can ride the bus just for 20 php and the bus will drop passengers just behind the Hotel Sogo or Just beside the building I mentioned. I. e Tafte Ave. MRT.

Believe me, the service is smooth no traffic hassle.

Mua Tur

08-08-15, 03:06

You are correct. Especially in Cebu Mactan Airport is terrible. At least 7-8% lower than bank rates. I usually keep around 2000-3000 p for my next trip and it is in my packing list to bring it with me.Not only Mactan Airport, all over the Cebu provides crappy exchange rate relatively than Manila. As we expect the bank exchange rate should be same all over the nation. But Philippine or Cebu is different; provides lower rate than Manila.

So on my 2nd visit to Cebu I took enough php from Manila just to skip crappy exchange behavior.

WestCoast1

08-08-15, 04:55

You are correct. Especially in Cebu Mactan Airport is terrible. At least 7-8% lower than bank rates. I usually keep around 2000-3000 p for my next trip and it is in my packing list to bring it with me.MB I took this pic about 4 weeks ago in Cebu. The rate was at that time about as good as one could find anywhere in phils. The only better rate I saw was in Manila for 45.05 p on the USD.

Mua Tur

08-08-15, 05:03

MB I took this pic about 4 weeks ago in Cebu. The rate was at that time about as good as one could find anywhere in phils. The only better rate I saw was in Manila for 45.05 p on the USD.On 10th July I was in Cebu and the rate was $1 usd = 44.50 where as I exchanged from Pasay, Manila $1 usd = 45.05.

Dg8787

08-08-15, 05:05

Not only Mactan Airport, all over the Cebu provides crappy exchange rate relatively than Manila. As we expect the bank exchange rate should be same all over the nation. But Philippine or Cebu is different; provides lower rate than Manila.

So on my 2nd visit to Cebu I took enough php from Manila just to skip crappy exchange behavior.Why would you expect the exchange rate to be the same all over the nation? Each private exchange house has its own operating expenses and cost of doing business.

What is crappy rate? 1/4 of peso difference? The exchange kiosk in Ayala Mall / Cebu has always had a good rate.

Mua Tur

08-08-15, 05:34

Why would you expect the exchange rate to be the same all over the nation? Each private exchange house has its own operating expenses and cost of doing business.

What is crappy rate? 1/4 of peso difference? The exchange kiosk in Ayala Mall / Cebu has always had a good rate.Dear fella,

I didn't said private exchange counters. I mentioned Bank Exchange rates. So far I know Bank Exchange rates are set up by the Central bank of the nation and for every enlisted banks all over the country.

Mbsl65

08-08-15, 09:58

MB I took this pic about 4 weeks ago in Cebu. The rate was at that time about as good as one could find anywhere in phils. The only better rate I saw was in Manila for 45.05 p on the USD.Did you take your picture at Mactan Airport? I was talking about the arrivals hall. Now I remember in Departures there is an Exchange place also but I did not pay attention.

Red Kilt

08-08-15, 13:01

Did you take your picture at Mactan Airport? I was talking about the arrivals hall. Now I remember in Departures there is an Exchange place also but I did not pay attention.I am always amused by the guys who will spend anything up to an hour or two looking for a better forex rate, and who believe there is a difference between 45.00 and 45.05.

$1000 usd = 45,000 php or 45,050 php. Is it worth the running around trying to get a better rate?

I travel all around SE Asia for work and I use ATMs in every country to pull cash from my dollar account held with HSBC in the Philippines. With HSBC I don't pay any fees because of the way my account is structured, and the exchange rate is always much better just drawing down cash as I need it through the ATM.

X Man

08-08-15, 14:05

I've walked another block for the extra dollar, but your point is taken. I've also walked an extra block and then had to walk back. And on one occasion the rates had changed in the five minutes of walking back and forth. LOL.

I'm a little confused about the last part of your post. Are you saying that using your HSBC ATM card you end up saving money compared to using cash exchanged at a money changer?

SNIP
I travel all around SE Asia for work and I use ATMs (SNIP) HSBC (SNIP) and the exchange rate is always much better just drawing down cash as I need it through the ATM.My SNIPs are just to show how I read the passage. It sounds like you are comparing ATM to ATM.

Dark Knight1

08-08-15, 15:46

I am always amused by the guys who will spend anything up to an hour or two looking for a better forex rate, and who believe there is a difference between 45.00 and 45.05.

$1000 usd = 45,000 php or 45,050 php. Is it worth the running around trying to get a better rate?

I travel all around SE Asia for work and I use ATMs in every country to pull cash from my dollar account held with HSBC in the Philippines. With HSBC I don't pay any fees because of the way my account is structured, and the exchange rate is always much better just drawing down cash as I need it through the ATM.Indeed. I banked with HSBC for years and was amazed by their rates and the smoothness of operation considering that branch was in the (Fort Bonifacio) Philippines.

Mogwai

08-09-15, 08:07

Red Kilt

08-09-15, 13:33

I<SNIP>

I'm a little confused about the last part of your post. Are you saying that using your HSBC ATM card you end up saving money compared to using cash exchanged at a money changer?
Yes. I have just returned from a 62-day trip and I paid no commission and the steady forex rate worked out better for me. And I had no hassles either making sure I wasn't duped by the money changer.

Mua Tur

08-09-15, 14:32

The Motivation:

Finally I found myself be able to post my first FR about Philippine. It was due from long time since the two weeks long trip was been made in mid February of this year. Please be noted that the girls I met in this whole trip none are from P4P scene. All are I met from different dating sites like DIA, Tagged and Phili Cupid. I have to confess that I am not a person who feel comfort with the P4P girls or the P4P girls find themselves non suitable with me (It was been proven again in my last AC tour). Finally I found myself under a guided tour for the places I visited in Philippine. I had visited Manila, AC, Bacolod and Cebu in this time and in every place my girl was waiting for me in my arrival point. So my FR (s) are going to post in their respective pages. In my FR I am going to include the date I started my voyage; even I was in China on that day. Just because of these days were dedicated for Philippine.

The Voyage:

Couple of days before 14 Feb'15, the peoples I work with in China informed me that their office is going to close for New Year Spring Festival until 27 Feb'15. So what I am going to do in these long holidays. The plan was already cemented before, what I will do and I asked them to make my ticket for Manila. I want to stay in Philippine all along the festival time. They gladly obliged. Soon my wide smile vaporized when they told me there are no direct flights on 14 Feb'15 from China (any City) to Manila. But I was determined to fly for Manila, because the plan already made with my tagged girl that she is going to meet me on 15 Feb and just waiting to hear my arrival time. After some extensive analysis and search my itinerary was been made as follows:

14 Feb'15: from Chongqing to Guangzhou: start 6. 45 pm and arrival 8. 20 pm, Sichuan Airlines.

14 Feb'15: from Guangzhou to Hong Kong: start 10.20 pm and arrival 11.30 pm, Cathy Pacific.

15 Feb'15: from Hong Kong to Manila, NAIA 3: start 6. 20 am and arrival 8. 35 am, Cathy Pacific.

The itinerary was a huge Joe Frazier punch. The awaiting in HK airport for 7 hrs just made fudge off all my lights in my face. But reluctantly I accepted. I was so keen to keep my meeting word with my girl and in any case I was intended to arrive on 15 Feb'15 to meet her. It's became my obligation because of from that day she made her work off.

The Miss Haps:

I arrived in Chongqing airport in time. The boarding pass was taken in time. After little late we on board but plane were not moving for fly even the schedule time passing over. That again made my hypertension; do I going to miss the connecting flight? Yes I did. I failed to catch Manila flight on that night. Sichuan Airlines get delay for 2 hrs because of Chinese Army certainly occupied the Chongqing Airport Runway for unknown reason. Stayed in Guangzhou and finally I arrived Manila 2 days later after rescheduling my flight.

When I informed my girl over phone that I had failed to catch the connecting flight for manila, still I feel her sound that she did not believed it. That time she thought I am not coming to see her. I am just a lire.

Lesson learnt:

1. To catch the connecting flight it was been kept 2 hrs gap. It was foolish a plan. We did not consider there may be many IF (s) can herm the schedule. And it does.

2. It was wiser to staying a night in HK and catching the flight for Manila comfortably.

PirateMorgan

08-10-15, 12:07

Dg8787

08-10-15, 12:18

I know that some members have the Senior Discount Card without being a citizen. And I know you are supposed to be a citizen to use the card for a discount and I know what the penalties are if caught. Anyone ever been caught? Seems difficult or impossible to catch someone if you are careful (stay away for Airlines maybe) but maybe impossible to get caught in restaurants? I would really appreciate comments. Better real info and experiences. Thanks.

I love ISG.As I understand it, the discount is for senior citizens born in the Philippines. In my opinion if you are in need of the discount then you shouldn't be here. On the other hand if you are just cheap or actually a thief then just reach into the cash register and take the money, it would be easier for everyone involved.

Hutsori

08-10-15, 16:32

I know that some members have the Senior I.D. without being a citizen. And I know you are supposed to be a citizen to use the card for a discount and I know what the penalties are if caught. Anyone ever been caught? Seems difficult or impossible to catch someone if you are careful (stay away for Airlines maybe) but maybe impossible to get caught in restaurants? I would really appreciate comments. Better real info and experiences. Thanks.
This is what the gov't says:

A Senior Citizens Identification Card is issued by the Office of Senior Citizens Affairs (OSCA) in the city or municipality where the senior citizen resides. Documentary requirements vary per municipality, but the basic qualifications based on RA 9994 are as follows:

*Must be a Filipino citizen who is a resident of the Philippines
*Must be 60 years old or above
*May apply to senior citizens with dual citizenship provided that they prove their Filipino citizenship and have at least six months residency in the PhilippinesThese are the penalties:

Republic Act No. 9994
(c) Any person who abuses the privileges granted herein shall be punished with imprisonment of not less than six (6) months and a fine of not less than Fifty thousand pesos (Php50,000.00) but not more than One hundred thousand pesos (Php100,000.00).

If the offender is an alien or a foreigner, he/she shall be deported immediately after service of sentence.

Food for thought: some Filipino legislators proposed the benefits be extended to non-Filipino citizens, http://globalnation.inquirer.net/105530/alien-seniors-should-get-discounts-too. Excerpt:
Cagayan de Oro Rep. Rufus Rodriguez and Abante Mindanao Rep. Maximo Rodriguez Jr. said the elderly foreigners residing in the Philippines "[have] been overlooked, even if their contributions have been just as relevant and considerable."

They noted that these foreigners come to the Philippines to put up businesses or settle here as retirees or immigrants.

"During their stay, they bring in considerable investments, patronize local businesses, contribute to the local economy, and in some cases take a role in nation-building," they said.

By taking up permanent residence in the Philippines, they become as much a part of the public as Filipino citizens, they added.

PirateMorgan

08-10-15, 22:01

All of the information members have provided I am aware of. I simply asked if anyone had one and used it or knew of any problems from misuse. Zero on this idea. We can move on now.

Hutsori

08-11-15, 09:54

All of the information members have provided I am aware of. I simply asked if anyone had one and used it or knew of any problems from misuse. Zero on this idea. We can move on now.You're welcome. The guys who were caught misusing the senior IDs wanted to reply but they're in prison. Oh well.

One thing I keep in mind when answering someone's question is that there are other readers who have varying levels of interest and knowledge of that same topic; I try to write to the forum rather than the one individual question asker.

Random99

08-11-15, 10:38

All of the information members have provided I am aware of. I simply asked if anyone had one and used it or knew of any problems from misuse. Zero on this idea. We can move on now.Hey, get off my lawn!

(sorry, couldn't resist).

Satyr23

08-11-15, 22:49

GoodEnough

08-12-15, 02:17

What are your thoughts on Amnesty taking a strong stance in favor of global decriminalization of sex work? The resolution recommends that Amnesty International develop a policy that supports the full decriminalization of all aspects of consensual sex work. The policy will also call on states to ensure that sex workers enjoy full and equal legal protection from exploitation, trafficking and violence. Here's a link to the press release: https://www.amnesty.org/press-releases/2015/08/global-movement-votes-to-adopt-policy-to-protect-human-rights-of-sex-workers-1/.The men in black dresses and gold jewelry, aka the Catholic Church will doubtless come out in full high dudgeon against it, claiming that it will promote promiscuity. Given the absent dividing line between politics and religion here, the church will have its way and it will be largely ignored.

GE.

Mbsl65

08-12-15, 06:20

After searching for the best roaming and 4 G / LTE coverage in the countries I travel, I decided on Asus ZenFone 2 ZE550 ML / ZE551 ML phone. Mine is a ZE551 model but only the differences on them are memory size and small processor speed. So, even the most basic model will work like a champ.

Apparently ASUS did not put any restrictions on the modem and regardless of the GSM based carrier, this phone will do 4 G / LTE /3 G without any problems. In USA, it will work on AT&T and Tmobile also. Which already tested.

You can find this phone around $190-300 based on location and specs. It uses an Intel Atom processor. They do sell it in Manila / Cebu / BKK. I purchased mine in Taipei and it was $217.

Mbsl65

08-20-15, 06:47

Wicked Roger

08-20-15, 15:57

I am staying in Quest Hotel in Cebu. I switch hotels due to Asean Trade Ministers conference. However, Quest Hotel is blocking ISG access along with other websites. They are using gateway base SONOS software to blacklist most of the sites. So, I had to setup a VPN account to get around of it. Right now I am accessing form Quest via VPN. So, you may need to setup a VPN account from one of the vendors.That is the first I have heard of it in the Philippines must because the ASEAN delegates are good Christian people LOL.

I use Witopia at times and a host of other freebies and all work well in places where many sites are blocked (eg Middle East).

NB. You don't have a PM facility? As Am Cebu but not possible to send you some information with a PM.

ImAGuy

08-25-15, 01:09

Finding a house to rent at a monthly rate in the Philippines (online) is proving to be challenging. I'm looking for at least a three bedroom house in Tagaytay, willing to pay up to $1,500/ month if it's nice. But most of the nicer homes are crazy expensive. Saw one going for just under $6,000. Are people actually paying that? I thought this was a 3rd world country. Are the prices online just inflated for rich tourists? Would it be a better idea to just go there first and have a friend help me find a place?

Some travel website claimed nice villas in that city could be rented for around $600/ month.

If anyone has a good website, please PM.

Econo Tech

08-25-15, 08:36

Buko Max

08-26-15, 04:52

Finding a house to rent at a monthly rate in the Philippines (online) is proving to be challenging. I'm looking for at least a three bedroom house in Tagaytay, willing to pay up to $1,500/ month if it's nice. But most of the nicer homes are crazy expensive. Saw one going for just under $6,000. Are people actually paying that? I thought this was a 3rd world country. Are the prices online just inflated for rich tourists?Unless you know someone, I'm afraid you are not going to find much in that price range with a view of the crater / lake. Many well to do Filipinos from Manila use the area as a weekend getaway. There is a lot of money circulating around so prices are high. Did you try Airbnb? They show 450 properties available!

Mbsl65

08-28-15, 13:53

There is almost no activity in the Cebu forums due to their location. I think it is time to reconnect Cebu and Philippines forums for a better usage. If Admin following this board, I hope he or she may need to reconsider.

Questor55

08-29-15, 18:42

Wicked Roger

08-30-15, 14:54

I second this suggestion. Presently it is a bit awkward and serves no useful purpose.I would not third this LOL as I like it as it is, and it does take long to find the link either IMHO.

Mbsl65

08-31-15, 13:29

I would not third this LOL as I like it as it is, and it does take long to find the link either IMHO.I don't we would expect you to support it since separating the forums was your idea. I remember few years back so called "board gurus" came with a separation idea and since than Cebu forum are struggling. If you don't believe me look at the stats. Second. Usage of the main forums are diminishing too due to "hostile environment" while it had been much milder recently, damage already been done.

Dark Knight1

08-31-15, 15:34

Wicked Roger

08-31-15, 16:10

I don't we would expect you to support it since separating the forums was your idea. I remember few years back so called "board gurus" came with a separation idea and since than Cebu forum are struggling. If you don't believe me look at the stats. Second. Usage of the main forums are diminishing too due to "hostile environment" while it had been much milder recently, damage already been done.I don't think it was my idea but I did support it as at the time it was messy.

If the usage is down it is a reflection of these not visiting Cebu and / or the country. I play a lot in Cebu but don't post as can be same same but those that know me well also know I share well.

Everyone can see where the thread is (some don't as they can't be bothered to RTFF) and in the past t was too messy. If Cebu was moved back fine but then the mess would again happen.

There is no hostile environment IMHO its an increasing number of manager class posters o the Philippines who ask inane questions that a simple RTFF would solve. No one is very aggressive unless you count those who flame etc (eg Tar Heel aka Cali Pro and what say is also Medellin Kuya, Dashing Don is another). Their FRs can be sharp and can be aggressive when they are called out.

But hostile no IMHO, just pointing out the obvious as Westie and I and others have done recently (me also on other forums I contribute to). Some are way to sensitive ad like to give but don't like to take the flak if and when it comes.

GoodEnough

08-31-15, 16:29

NWGuy

08-31-15, 23:03

Quick question for those in the know. Why do men write "please be disease free" on their personal ads? Or "Please be DDF" ? Or similar.

I have been looking at writing my own personal ad in Craigslist Manila as I will be arriving in a few weeks.

So I was looking at what other men wrote as an example of what I would write or not and what to say. And maybe how to phrase things.

I see those phrases often and think aren't all the women respondents all going to say they are clean and disease free whether they are or not?

It isn't like you are going to swab them and await the lab results back. Nobody is actually going to tell you in advance they have a disease.

Mbsl65

09-01-15, 00:55

The question is why is it struggling? Cebu has about same type of mongering action as Manila that is if your seeking so call "good girls. " The bar scene is scattered and expensive in some parts.The navigation is not easy like the main board. I tend to skip it too. If they were reintegrated, more people would participate and contribute. IMHO.

Mbsl65

09-01-15, 01:02

I've never understood why the forums were separated since there's no apparent logic. Since the separation, I tend to read the Cebu threads less often since it's inconvenient to do so. I'm for reunification.

GE.I think for a long time "nuts have been trying to run the nuthouse". So, we ended with nutty ideas and results. .

WestCoast1

09-01-15, 05:15

Quick question for those in the know. Why do men write "please be disease free" on their personal ads? Or "Please be DDF" ? Or similar.

I have been looking at writing my own personal ad in Craigslist Manila as I will be arriving in a few weeks.

It isn't like you are going to swab them and await the lab results back. Nobody is actually going to tell you in advance they have a disease.I think its because we want DDF, and we want to let the ladies know that we are DDF also. It aims for a better quality cookie.

WestCoast1

09-01-15, 05:17

Econo Tech

09-01-15, 05:21

I think its because we want DDF, and we want to let the ladies know that we are DDF also. It aims for a better quality cookie.And inserting such words will give confidence to the pinays, as, after all, only "bad" and "dirty" girls such as "hookers" have disease.

And if a guy says he is Disease Free, he is saying he don't fuck around, in Pinay speak.

Admitting the truth doesn't work on that score, and likewise, the girls too will not admit how often they get their cum storage bag replenished, again, don't forget, they are not 'dirty girls'.

My 2 cents? Don't fret over it, unless you really want to see the last medical report, which too can be debatable.

Mbsl65

09-03-15, 06:53

The question is why is it struggling? Cebu has about same type of mongering action as Manila that is if your seeking so call "good girls. " The bar scene is scattered and expensive in some parts.Cebu is small and have a less number of bars, discos. However, Cebu is much cheaper and more willing girls to meet the foreigners.

Mbsl65

09-03-15, 08:11

ADD ONS.

Seat Reservation.

291.20 ADMIN FEE.

Web Admin Fee.

313.60.

#1 How can you fly without a seat?

#2 If you are making an online reservation, what is the reason for a Web Admin fee?

GoodEnough

09-03-15, 09:19

ADD ONS.

Seat Reservation.

291.20 ADMIN FEE.

Web Admin Fee.

313.60.

#1 How can you fly without a seat?

#2 If you are making an online reservation, what is the reason for a Web Admin fee?Excellent question. I think it's been designed to offset the commission paid to the credit card companies. So it's nonsense but it's a way of forcing the consumer to pay.

GE.

Wicked Roger

09-03-15, 09:29

Cebu is small and have a less number of bars, discos. However, Cebu is much cheaper and more willing girls to meet the foreigners.I don't think it is cheaper in any way, Davao maybe but prices here are comparable to Manila.

And many mongers don't post as we try to keep it fairly secret that Cebu is better LOL but really many post a few FRs as too much same same about many FRs so stick with information not pure titillation at times I suppose.

Red Kilt

09-03-15, 12:00

ADD ONS.

#1 How can you fly without a seat?

#2 If you are making an online reservation, what is the reason for a Web Admin fee?You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.

They automatically add on quite a number of "add-ons" (sic) and you must methodically go through all of the steps in the booking and remove them one by one.

For example, they automatically charge you a fee for travel insurance UNLESS you click on the "no thanks" box which is very small and difficult to spot. Deduct 250 pesos.

Seats are allocated at booking and you do NOT have to pay for a seat UNLESS you have a seating preference. Different preferred seats cost different amounts. Exit rows are the most expensive. If you dont care where you sit and they have added-on a reserved seat fee then you can remove it.

The default setting for baggage is 20 kgs per person at a designated rate. If you have carry-on bags and don't need to pay for 20 kgs then you must change the baggage to zero and the auto baggage fee is deducted.

I use it mostly for domestic travel within the Philippines and so I have only a small carry-on bag. I have had the initial quote for a budget flight price decrease from 2300 php to 1200 php after I removed all the "add-ons". The fee I paid was comprised almost entirely of admin fees, since I availed myself of the cut-price 1 php fares that they push out periodically.

Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.

Wicked Roger

09-03-15, 12:10

You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.

Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.Good observation RK, I use Cebu Pac a lot but I know the way the site works and pf course buyer beware. Check the booking before you pay is my advice. But Cebu Pac is generally cheaper for me compared with others and is as late / early as most budget carries. It suffers like all carries do with the awful mess that is NAIA which calls itself an airport but really is a third world ne. I have spent an hour on the tarmac in Cebu waiting to depart due to congestion at the airport in Manila, this was late morning!

And a close friend was 4 hours delayed in Manila due to some odd reasons but basically there were limited buses, the take slot was moved all the time and she said even the captain got pissed off at one stage.

But like any budget there is good and bad and for me Cebu Pac has more of the former at the moment than the latter.

X Man

09-03-15, 14:51

Nice chit chat from a CP attendant at Robinsons in Cebu. Weird gal, she wanted to meet my son since her chit chat identified his age. (my son doesn't do fat chicks, BTW).

"Do you have a seat request? ".

X nope, I don't care.

"it's an early morning flight, would't it be nice to have a window seat?

X That sounds nice.

PHP 160 added for seat selection.

Is that dishonest, or is that dishonest?

Hope CBP is happy with their 160 pisos, I'll be checking PA more often. X.

You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.

They automatically add on quite a number of "add-ons" (sic) and you must methodically go through all of the steps in the booking and remove them one by one.

For example, they automatically charge you a fee for travel insurance UNLESS you click on the "no thanks" box which is very small and difficult to spot. Deduct 250 pesos.

Seats are allocated at booking and you do NOT have to pay for a seat UNLESS you have a seating preference. Different preferred seats cost different amounts. Exit rows are the most expensive. If you dont care where you sit and they have added-on a reserved seat fee then you can remove it.

The default setting for baggage is 20 kgs per person at a designated rate. If you have carry-on bags and don't need to pay for 20 kgs then you must change the baggage to zero and the auto baggage fee is deducted.

I use it mostly for domestic travel within the Philippines and so I have only a small carry-on bag. I have had the initial quote for a budget flight price decrease from 2300 php to 1200 php after I removed all the "add-ons". The fee I paid was comprised almost entirely of admin fees, since I availed myself of the cut-price 1 php fares that they push out periodically.

Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.

Mbsl65

09-03-15, 14:54

You have to be very careful making an online booking with Cebu Pacific.

I have had the initial quote for a budget flight price decrease from 2300 php to 1200 php after I removed all the "add-ons". The fee I paid was comprised almost entirely of admin fees, since I availed myself of the cut-price 1 php fares that they push out periodically.

Most airlines have a web admin fee hidden somewhere in their accounting. Cebu Pacific puts it up there in bold letters.Excellent explanations. I consider myself a geek and I still did not find a way to bypass it without as seating fee. They must be getting a crash course from Ryan Air.

Cjetset

09-03-15, 17:49

I have been coming to the Phils for work over the last five years (mostly Manila and recently Cebu City) and Cebu is definitely not cheaper than Manila. It seems to get more expensive every time I come. However it's much less chaotic and congested and I really like how I can escape to a beautiful clean beach or in the mountains in a relatively shorter period of time than leaving Manila. As for mongering there are fewer bars and clubs and more freelance action so you have to work a little bit more. And of course if you are relatively good looking, kind, got game, and of course have lots of funds you can do really no matter where you are in the Phils. I do notice more Chinese and Koreans in Cebu than Manila. As for cheaper destinations for those more adventurous I'd agree Davao, and likely Bacolod and other places in The Visayas and Mindanao likely will be much cheaper. Personally I haven't had the opportunity to venture to this places yet.

I don't think it is cheaper in any way, Davao maybe but prices here are comparable to Manila.

And many mongers don't post as we try to keep it fairly secret that Cebu is better LOL but really many post a few FRs as too much same same about many FRs so stick with information not pure titillation at times I suppose.

Simmer

09-03-15, 18:24

Excellent explanations. I consider myself a geek and I still did not find a way to bypass it without as seating fee. They must be getting a crash course from Ryan Air.That was exactly my thinking as I read your earlier post. Ryanair used to charge you for printing your own boarding pass on your own printer with your own paper and ink, FFS! And if you didn't pay to print your own boarding pass, then you paid a much higher cost at the airport for them to print it instead. So basically there was no way of avoiding A cost with the boarding pass, just how much you ended up paying. They know that people just see the headline 1 p /1 c fares and are too committed to the process by the time the drip pricing really kicks in (a fee for using a credit card? Per person? Why not? And O'Leary really wasn't joking when he suggested a 1 Euro fee for using the bathrooms. Yet bizarrely this model works as more and more people fly with them. It really does pay to shop around with the FINAL price rather than the headline "ticket" price, including any mandatory fees, baggage charges, "fuel tax" (Hello, BA), oxygen fees etc.

Given the maximum length of domestic flights with Cebu Pacific, and the nature of this forum meaning you're probably flying alone, personally I'd just take one of the unreserved seats and put up with even a middle seat for an hour, two hours at most.

Wicked Roger

09-03-15, 22:46

Given the maximum length of domestic flights with Cebu Pacific, and the nature of this forum meaning you're probably flying alone, personally I'd just take one of the unreserved seats and put up with even a middle seat for an hour, two hours at most.The seats costs between 160-230 pesos. As many have said countless times, many of us spend a lot more getting there so why are we bothered by a $4-5 charge? I am not and prefer a seat that gives me some 'comfort' - the seat in the Cebu Pac A319/320 are not meant for long haul for large guys like me and many of those I see on the plane.

Pot luck is OK as you be sat next to a nun (as I have been) or a cuties (also happened) but also a fat bugger who takes more then his / her share of the seating. Is only an hour or two so I would not fuss but I do like to chose my seat so I will pay.

As for Ryanair Simmer. Am sure if he could charge for how much you dump in the toilet and the paper use while and the toilet, he would LOL.

Simmer

09-04-15, 17:28

The seats costs between 160-230 pesos. As many have said countless times, many of us spend a lot more getting there so why are we bothered by a $4-5 charge? I am not and prefer a seat that gives me some 'comfort' - the seat in the Cebu Pac A319/320 are not meant for long haul for large guys like me and many of those I see on the plane.True, at that cost. Sorry, I was wrongly thinking what other airlines charge for seats.

As an aside, twice now on Philippine Airlines long haul we've had the seat reservations (which are free) just cancelled for no apparent reason. You think you reserved good seats together months ago, get to check-in, and find that your seats have been given to somebody else. WTF?! Even the check-in ladies try to insist that all the seats have reservations so they cannot change mine, I turn around and look at the 200 people in the line waiting to check-in and ask again, but get the typical smile and "sorry". This happened for a flight TO the Philippines, and a flight FROM the Philippines, and with the latter I got so pissed off that after 10 minutes of arguing with the duty supervisor they relented and gave me the seats I booked. Yet PR are horrendously expensive but give a shit product and are always full. But they are the only direct, non-stop flight from where I am. Sorry, whinge over.

As for Ryanair Simmer. Am sure if he could charge for how much you dump in the toilet and the paper use while and the toilet, he would LOL.Chuckle!

Wicked Roger

09-04-15, 23:02

. Yet PR are horrendously expensive but give a shit product and are always full. But they are the only direct, non-stop flight from where I am. Sorry, whinge over.

Chuckle!Whenever I have flown PAL it as never been a good experience hence I won't fly with them unless forced to (that happened once from another Asian country and the experience lived up to my expectations. Rubbish!

Mbsl65

09-05-15, 05:43

Personally I haven't had the opportunity to venture to this places yet.Cebu is maybe the most popular destination among Koreans. Especially Mactan Island. They have their own racket going on. Every midnight there are 5 different flights within 30 minutes to Incheon. Hotel prices have been creeping up and even in the popular places Koreans are in the majority. I call it very much of a Korean infestation. Chinese are not too many but they are in mostly Bohol. Especially with the opening of Henann Resort.

Mbsl65

09-05-15, 05:49

Whenever I have flown PAL it as never been a good experience hence I won't fly with them unless forced to (that happened once from another Asian country and the experience lived up to my expectations. Rubbish!Especially if you buy your ticket thru Expedia or Orbitz, PAL will not give you an opportunity to purchase extra baggage and tag you 1600 p at the airport. It is unfortunate that Chinese Filipino cartel is killing Philippines with lack of competition. Recently they did everything to prevent increased number of flights from UAE with no success. It is my first time seeing a defeat.

Mbsl65

09-05-15, 05:54

I like to thank GE for recommending usage of Uber instead of taxis. I have been using it since I came to Manila and works perfect. I recommend others to do the same. Very good service.

Wicked Roger

09-05-15, 06:00

It is unfortunate that Chinese Filipino cartel is killing Philippines with lack of competition. Recently they did everything to prevent increased number of flights from UAE with no success. It is my first time seeing a defeat.Well the press here claim a success. Only in that it has opened up more flights for Philippine carries to the UAE and in return the UAE carriers 'promised' to expand services outside Manila, namely Clark (yet again but was an economic disaster for EK) and / or Cebu (within 12 months) - but expansion is likely premised with a view and margins and Clark was not a good earner and cannibalized seats on the Manila flights.

But the local boys don't realise that apart from price there is no comparison. Many Filipinos chose EK / EY as the service is better, a quality product for long haul.

While I fly Cebu Pacific to Asian countries is s for no more than 3 hours and that is plenty.

So the passenger numbers will be the defining comparative and I expect the UAE carriers to win that every year.

Simmer

09-05-15, 17:10

Whenever I have flown PAL it as never been a good experience hence I won't fly with them unless forced to (that happened once from another Asian country and the experience lived up to my expectations. Rubbish!I didn't even mention the IFE, or lack thereof. Of the screens that did actually work, a lot of content didn't work, and the map was disabled "for security reasons" (Both ways.

I suppose I ought to mention their food was actually quite reasonable.

Wicked Roger

09-07-15, 13:37

This subject has been the subject of discussion before. Ie low speed and high cost etc.

The links below are very recently and one quotes the APEC meeting in Cebu this month. All complain about how bad it is here. Nothing new but the lack of infrastructure investment and will of the providers to do anything for the user / consumer (unless means super profits for themselves etc am sure) is clearly evident IMHO in the links.

http://www.manilatimes.net/were-the-only-asian-country-where-foreigners-control-the-telecom-industry/216706/

http://www.philstar.com/cebu-news/2015/09/05/1496186/apec-exec-phl-should-improve-internet-service

Cjetset

09-07-15, 16:55

I always fly Cathay Pacific to Cebu. Always solid whether I'm in a Coach, premium, or Biz and they seem to upgrade often if you fly them a lot. PAL is just dreadful. That said for a discount carrier Cebu Pacific is solid. Always have been prompt, the staff nice, and the planes clean. Seats are a bit tight but that's the case with all discount carriers. Just pay a few extra pesos for exit row or more space row.

I didn't even mention the IFE, or lack thereof. Of the screens that did actually work, a lot of content didn't work, and the map was disabled "for security reasons" (Both ways.

I suppose I ought to mention their food was actually quite reasonable.

Mbsl65

09-08-15, 08:34

IMHO, you will never see an infrastructure investment unless Filipino-Chinese cartel can make money from it. Internet speeds, freeways, airports are all clogged due to protect interests of the cartel. Very sad.

This subject has been the subject of discussion before. Ie low speed and high cost etc.

The links below are very recently and one quotes the APEC meeting in Cebu this month. All complain about how bad it is here. Nothing new but the lack of infrastructure investment and will of the providers to do anything for the user / consumer (unless means super profits for themselves etc am sure) is clearly evident IMHO in the links.

http://www.manilatimes.net/were-the-only-asian-country-where-foreigners-control-the-telecom-industry/216706/

http://www.philstar.com/cebu-news/2015/09/05/1496186/apec-exec-phl-should-improve-internet-service

Wicked Roger

09-08-15, 08:58

I was shocked to compare the cost I paid (at the relevant forex rate as shown on my CC account) with the existing cost in Manila (and this latter Manila store was also offering a promo.

55 cm: Aust cost 6,825 php; Phils cost 11,750 php.

75 cm: Aust cost 17,815 php; Phils cost 35,630 php.

Don't bring an old bag to the Philippines thinking you might exchange it for a new cheaper one. These differences are quite dramatic.Good comment RK, I bought my Samsonite in Aussie also and in Cebu the prices are similar. I asked why such a price difference and showed them my receipt. They said is import duty LOL. Then I inquired how many they sold. None was the answer.

Cheap is possible but not the quality I need as I want hard wearing long lasting bags as I fly a lot, the stuff you can buy Metro / SM is horrible quality, OK if you travel once a year.

Red Kilt

09-08-15, 08:59

Mbsl65

09-08-15, 09:30

This might be a weird post on ISG but there was some discussion recently (somewhere here and linked to Skogis) about the cost of new baggage (specifically Samsonite) in Manila compared to elsewhere.

55 cm: Aust cost 6,825 php; Phils cost 11,750 php.

75 cm: Aust cost 17,815 php; Phils cost 35,630 php.

Don't bring an old bag to the Philippines thinking you might exchange it for a new cheaper one. These differences are quite dramatic.I destroyed my backpack with an accident in Cebu Radisson and bought a new Tumi Backpack from Seattle Outlet for $165. Same backpack is on sale Cebu Ayala Mall Tumi store for 31000 p.

Wow. What a difference!.

ManonsanBoy

09-08-15, 10:25

I destroyed my backpack with an accident in Cebu Radisson and bought a new Tumi Backpack from Seattle Outlet for $165. Same backpack is on sale Cebu Ayala Mall Tumi store for 31000 p.

Wow. What a difference!.Imported designer stuff in Philippines are very expensive.

GoodEnough

09-08-15, 10:53

This might be a weird post on ISG but there was some discussion recently (somewhere here and linked to Skogis) about the cost of new baggage (specifically Samsonite) in Manila compared to elsewhere.

It might help those who figure you will get cheaper stuff in the Philippines instead of at home.

I have recently returned from Australia. I purchased 2 new Samsonite hard-cased bags in Sydney (a 55 cm and a 75 cm) in a shop in Pitt Street.

I was shocked to compare the cost I paid (at the relevant forex rate as shown on my CC account) with the existing cost in Manila (and this latter Manila store was also offering a promo.

55 cm: Aust cost 6,825 php; Phils cost 11,750 php.

75 cm: Aust cost 17,815 php; Phils cost 35,630 php.

Don't bring an old bag to the Philippines thinking you might exchange it for a new cheaper one. These differences are quite dramatic.I've bought several items at the Tumi store in Greenbelt, three shoulder bags, a couple of wallets and one or two other items. I found the retail prices the same or quite similar to what I'd pay in he States or Europe. The difference I think is hat it's easy to find designer brands discounted in other countries, but almost never here. The single exception that I've found is the Tommy Hilfiger store in Abreeza, Davao which routinely offers goods at a 45% reduction, thus making the prices pretty reasonable.

GE.

Hutsori

09-09-15, 10:00

Imported designer stuff in Philippines are very expensive.Generally true. The import tariff levied on luxury goods is high. Moreover, lux retailers here have to contend with high rents and a rather small customer base, most of whom are well-traveled savvy shoppers who know the best and cheapest shopping is overseas.

(The rest of this comment is more relevant to residents and long-stay visitors.)

My three imports are clothing & footwear, food & alcohol, and cookware. Spirits are a bargain and wine is priced OK. Manila is excellent for kitchenware, though German and Swiss-made items are a bit high. Mall of Kitchens in Makati is awesome. Great deals at New Sin Kian Heng in Quiapo. In the malls look for Gourdos, though kind of expensive. The variety and selection for menswear is often lacking, which is why I do a HK trip once in a while. Locally, at GB Mall men's shirts and trousers run between p4000-p6000 at Massimo Dutti and a bit less at less at he Mango at Glorietta and MOA. I've picked up Unbranded brand raw denim in the Glorietta for about p3000 discounted, but Japanese stuff is in town now though pricey at p12,000+; of course it's expensive in Japan, too. Good footwear has been a pain to find and it was limited to Rustan's. Since the guys at Signet set up shop Carmina shoes, which run about $550+ in HK, are here for about $500+. It's approx. $150 more than ordering from Spain, but add the shipping and customs and it's about the same.

GoodEnough

09-09-15, 12:51

Generally true. The import tariff levied on luxury goods is high. Moreover, lux retailers here have to contend with high rents and a rather small customer base, most of whom are well-traveled savvy shoppers who know the best and cheapest shopping is overseas.

(The rest of this comment is more relevant to residents and long-stay visitors.)

My three imports are clothing & footwear, food & alcohol, and cookware. Spirits are a bargain and wine is priced OK. Manila is excellent for kitchenware, though German and Swiss-made items are a bit high. Mall of Kitchens in Makati is awesome. Great deals at New Sin Kian Heng in Quiapo. In the malls look for Gourdos, though kind of expensive. The variety and selection for menswear is often lacking, which is why I do a HK trip once in a while. Locally, at GB Mall men's shirts and trousers run between p4000-p6000 at Massimo Dutti and a bit less at less at he Mango at Glorietta and MOA. I've picked up Unbranded brand raw denim in the Glorietta for about p3000 discounted, but Japanese stuff is in town now though pricey at p12,000+; of course it's expensive in Japan, too. Good footwear has been a pain to find and it was limited to Rustan's. Since the guys at Signet set up shop Carmina shoes, which run about $550+ in HK, are here for about $500+. It's approx. $150 more than ordering from Spain, but add the shipping and customs and it's about the same.I do a fair amount of shopping at Massimo Dutti and find the prices almost the same as Europe. The prices at the Polo store in Greenbelt are outrageous on the other hand. Huts, if you get a chance I'd appreciate a PM on the location of the Carmina shoe store. I've not seen it.

GE.

UglyOne

09-09-15, 13:27

Two years ago was in HK and met a Phil gal at Sticky Fingers in Kowloon. A night of fun (for a price) ensued. After a bit of warm-up she says "do what you want to me", music to my ears but I digress. Told me she was in HK for two weeks to buy designer clothes, designer small luggage items, and so on, to take back to the Phils for resale. She would wait in long lines at the stores for advertised sales, buying at most a few items each day. Had a chart on her phone with a detailed, daily plan of attack (stores and items). Not sure how she transported items back home, maybe used other transiting girls as runners, a few items each girl? After following this thread it now makes sense. Good intel from the forum members on future gift giving ideas for that *special* girl.

Random99

09-09-15, 16:46

Imported designer stuff in Philippines are very expensive.When US retailers enter into a market, they have 2 and sometimes only 1 choice: (1) find a partner in that local country and setup an exclusive master franchisee agreement and wholesale your goods to them or (2) make a run at it solo -- in many countries, this is not an option due to protectionist laws that require a local partner.

Many of the companies are working off a marked up wholesale price and then marking up it again to cover their costs / profits. Ie Nordstroms, Saks, etc.

Random99

09-09-15, 16:54

Manila is excellent for kitchenware, though German and Swiss-made items are a bit high. Mall of Kitchens in Makati is awesome. Great deals at New Sin Kian Heng in Quiapo. In the malls look for Gourdos, though kind of expensive.Ugh, I have being buying my kitchen stuff piecemeal. While I am ok spending a little more than average, I am not trying to get ripped off. I am heading over to MoK next week as I still don't have enough pots yet. Weird, I did a google search on kitchen stuff a few months ago and I must of missed MoK.

Dishes: Muji; Glasses / Silverware: Rustan's; Tefal saute pans: SM.

(I miss internet shopping / comparison shopping.).

Hutsori

09-10-15, 05:08

Huts, if you get a chance I'd appreciate a PM on the location of the Carmina shoe store. I've not seen it.

GE.I'll post it here in case someone else wants to visit, too. When it was in QC the shop's name was Lost+Found, but when moved to Makati was was renamed. Signet, Unit 102 C Windsor Tower, 163 Legazpi St., Legazpi Village, Makati.

https://www.facebook.com/thesignetstore - has a map.

https://instagram.com/thesignetstore/?hl=en

Mbsl65

09-10-15, 05:48

When US retailers enter into a market, they have 2 and sometimes only 1 choice: (1) find a partner in that local country and setup an exclusive master franchisee agreement and wholesale your goods to them or (2) make a run at it solo -- in many countries, this is not an option due to protectionist laws that require a local partner.

Many of the companies are working off a marked up wholesale price and then marking up it again to cover their costs / profits. Ie Nordstroms, Saks, etc.I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.

Fast Eddie 48

09-12-15, 01:15

I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.To Mbsl65.

I saw Kirkland 2 lb chocolate almond tub at Johnny market in AC last month I was very surprise by that too.

Fast eddie 48.

Ebauche

09-12-15, 01:36

I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.The family that own Rustan's have strong ties to the USA and relationships there. Large upper class family with stunningly attractive women. The men tend to go to elite universities in the USA. If I so chose, and were I to forego mongering, I could stay with them whenever I visit the PI. Elegant, upper class time, but no fun.

GoodEnough

09-12-15, 01:52

The family that own Rustan's have strong ties to the USA and relationships there. Large upper class family with stunningly attractive women. The men tend to go to elite universities in the USA. If I so chose, and were I to forego mongering, I could stay with them whenever I visit the PI. Elegant, upper class time, but no fun.Many if not most of the elite families here have strong ties in and to the US dating back to when the country was a US territory. It can be enlightening and extremely entertaining to hang out with members of these families, who are, by and large, very well educated, speak perfect English and are well traveled. I don't agree with Ebauche that they are "no fun," except from a sexual standpoint. They're lots of fun as platonic company.

GE.

Mbsl65

09-12-15, 08:02

Many if not most of the elite families here have strong ties in and to the US dating back to when the country was a US territory. It can be enlightening and extremely entertaining to hang out with members of these families, who are, by and large, very well educated, speak perfect English and are well traveled. I don't agree with Ebauche that they are "no fun," except from a sexual standpoint. They're lots of fun as platonic company.

GE.I noticed lots of celebrations. They kind of bore me. Lots of shallow talk and always talk about brands. I not interested. I prefer educated middle class ladies.

Wicked Roger

09-12-15, 10:22

I noticed lots of celebrations. They kind of bore me. Lots of shallow talk and always talk about brands. I not interested. I prefer educated middle class ladies.Many Filipinos (mainly pinays IMHO) all brands regardless of status / income / family etc. Many will swap mobiles after 6-12 months when the latest brand is available, they can talk in brands and even model numbers.

One once said "I need branded sunglasses" - when I told her she had 10 already (cheaper but all functional) she said "is important as my Facebook friends will see".

Life for many pinays is dictated by Facebook not reality unfortunately.

Pip Jaeger

09-12-15, 14:46

I see Rustan's carry lots of Costco Brand (Kirkland). I wonder how they get them.Same way Costco gets them, via truck. LOL.

Seriously, although Costco has it's own purchasing dept they outsource much of their buying, same as Rustans. The lines overlap on the manufacturing end too. Costco (like Walmart / Sam's Club) is famous for ordering large quantities to get the price they demand, but cutting back once their order is ready for shipment (and of course demanding the same initial price; which they get). Hence you now have overproduction and Rustans (like other retailers) benefit by scoffing up the overages. Plus they also can simply have a manufacturer produce more of the same order. Called tail ending the original order, which both helps the manufacturer as well as the other retailers. I'm sure Rustans has some type of agreement with Costco that allows them to legally sell Costco's signature Kirkland brand in the Phils, but you never know.

Mbsl65

09-12-15, 17:12

Same way Costco gets them, via truck. LOL.

Seriously, although Costco has it's own purchasing dept they outsource much of their buying, same as Rustans. The lines overlap on the manufacturing end too. Costco (like Walmart / Sam's Club) is famous for ordering large quantities to get the price they demand, but cutting back once their order is ready for shipment (and of course demanding the same initial price; which they get). Hence you now have overproduction and Rustan's (like other retailers) benefit by scoffing up the overages. Plus they also can simply have a manufacturer produce more of the same order. Called tail ending the original order, which both helps the manufacturer as well as the other retailers. I'm sure Rustans has some type of agreement with Costco that allows them to legally sell Costco's signature Kirkland brand in the Phils, but you never know.What you said is partially right. Since I live in Seattle and some of my friends do work for Costco, what you said about Costco merchandising is not correct. They don't sell overstock items to thirds parties to keep the brand integrity. Also they had a case against to some international guys reselling their goods. That is why I was shocked to see their goods in Rustan's. About Walmart and other retailers what you said most likely is correct.

Pip Jaeger

09-12-15, 17:59

What you said is partially right. Since I live in Seattle and some of my friends do work for Costco, what you said about Costco merchandising is not correct. They don't sell overstock items to thirds parties to keep the brand integrity. Also they had a case against to some international guys reselling their goods. That is why I was shocked to see their goods in Rustan's. About Walmart and other retailers what you said most likely is correct.Perhaps I should have been clearer. I didn't mean to infer that Costco is selling off excess inventory. It's happening on the manufacturing end; mostly by those in third world countries like China (mostly via Taiwanese and Hong Kong exporters), but it does happen in the USA too. Though more often then not, the products are relabeled with some off brand or generic brand name (Dollar Tree, Dollar Genral and the 99 cent type stores). However, many unscrupulous exporters will just sell off excess branded items (like Kirkland) to anyone.

Maybe you should ask one of your Costco friends to inquire with their corporate HQ about it. If Rustans is selling Costco / Kirkland branded items illegally then maybe you'll get a free pizza from them (which, I've been told, are not bad).

Ebauche

09-13-15, 01:49

Many if not most of the elite families here have strong ties in and to the US dating back to when the country was a US territory. It can be enlightening and extremely entertaining to hang out with members of these families, who are, by and large, very well educated, speak perfect English and are well traveled. I don't agree with Ebauche that they are "no fun," except from a sexual standpoint. They're lots of fun as platonic company.

GE.Well, what other kind of fun is there, really? I enjoy my friends, and they are friends, and a absolutely DROOL over their daughters, and quite a few of their wives. But, for many reasons, no bumping of uglies will be going on there. I'll stick to more accessible pinay poon.

Hutsori

09-13-15, 09:41

Maybe you should ask one of your Costco friends to inquire with their corporate HQ about it. If Rustans is selling Costco / Kirkland branded items illegally then maybe you'll get a free pizza from them (which, I've been told, are not bad).S&R warehouse stores were a JV (I believe) between Costco and Kareila Management Corporation. KMC was bought out by Lucio Co, who owns Puregold. Puregold is a competitor with the Tantoco-owned Rustan's, Rustan Supercenters, Shopwise hypermarkets and Wellcome supermarkets.

Anyway, Costco also exports, http://www.costco.com/export-sales.html. This may be the reason for Kirkland-branded items at Rustan's.

X Man

09-13-15, 10:35

Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.

S&R warehouse stores were a JV between Costco and Kareila Management Corporation. KMC was bought out by Lucio Co, who owns Puregold. Puregold is a competitor with the Tantoco-owned Rustan's, Rustan Supercenters, Shopwise hypermarkets and Wellcome supermarkets.

Hutsori

09-13-15, 11:40

S&R warehouse stores were a JV (I believe) between Costco and Kareila Management Corporation. KMC was bought out by Lucio Co, who owns Puregold. Puregold is a competitor with the Tantoco-owned Rustan's, Rustan Supercenters, Shopwise hypermarkets and Wellcome supermarkets.

Anyway, Costco also exports, http://www.costco.com/export-sales.html. This may be the reason for Kirkland-branded items at Rustan's.It was kind of messy to sort out S&R. Sol and Robert Price, whose company merged with Costco, opened a new warehouse operation named PriceSmart (PS). PS entered the Philippines, partnered with a local company named E Class, and established S&R. A few years later each company filed lawsuits against the other in the US and the Philippines. These were eventually settled and PS sold its Philippines stake (52%) to E-Class (38%). Eventually KMC acquired it and then KMC itself was purchased by Lucio Co / Puregold. Clear as mud? Good.

Anyway, neither Costco nor its spin offs have operations in the Philippines. Kirkland goods are being imported by wholesalers and/or retailers w/o a business partnership with Costco.

Hutsori

09-13-15, 11:47

Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.Sorry, m8. It is in General Info, the thread for anything. But it would be better in Politics and Economy. The conversation kind of evolved.

Mbsl65

09-13-15, 13:17

Sorry, m8. It is in General Info, the thread for anything. But it would be better in Politics and Economy. The conversation kind of evolved.Are you the admin / moderator of this forum?

GoodEnough

09-13-15, 13:39

Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.Not boring at all. As a frequent S&are customer here, I find the history and ownership issues interesting.

GE.

Hutsori

09-14-15, 06:22

Are you the admin / moderator of this forum?No. Jackson is. If you require admin or moderator support you may contact him.

LifeIsABeach

09-14-15, 06:55

Does anyone besides me find this boring and irrelevant? I was trying to yawn, but it got too boring.Me too and I just do not even read the posts.

Mbsl65

09-14-15, 11:09

No. Jackson is. If you require admin or moderator support you may contact him.Since you made it clear that you are not a moderator, you can tone down your comments too. Just act like a user like we all do.

X Man

09-14-15, 15:12

Wicked Roger

09-14-15, 16:06

I think someone mentioned Green Apple at Ayala Mall, Cebu. Was that a positive review?

Searching the Internet brings up several places around MM with glowing reviews. I'm just not sure if the reviews are legitimate.

http://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/philippines/manila/implantsGreen Apple is OK XMan, I have used it as have a few friends of mine in Cebu. Professional, clean and not as pricey as I thought given its location. See the Cebu thread for more information.

Also, some of dental nurses are cute (if that is a factor in your decision making LOL).

Mbsl65

09-14-15, 17:15

Has anyone had a dental implant done in the Philipines? Recommendations, time constraints and cost would be appreciated. I've never had the procedure before.

Years ago I had a tooth capped at Smile Makeover in AC. I was happy with their work and they are now located just off the strip. Much like lady drinks and EWRs, their prices have increased.

http://www.smilemakeoverdentalclinic.com

I think someone mentioned Green Apple at Ayala Mall, Cebu. Was that a positive review?

Searching the Internet brings up several places around MM with glowing reviews. I'm just not sure if the reviews are legitimate.

http://www.whatclinic.com/dentists/philippines/manila/implantsI got some done in Cebu by a dentist. They are mini implants. They do work very good as long as you take care of them. I dealt with Apple and their prices same as USA and I suggest you to get in done in USA instead paying the same prices in Philippines. Also Pattaya has very good services. Thailand has very good dentists too. 4 weeks ago I was in Chiang Mai and I broke a cap and the lady dentist fixed on the fly.

Mbsl65

09-14-15, 17:18

Not boring at all. As a frequent S&are customer here, I find the history and ownership issues interesting.

GE.I want to praise your knowledge on Philippines without a bias. I always read and remembered your advises especially on Davao city / Mindanao. They you very much for your positive contributions.

Red Kilt

09-16-15, 03:55

This will give some of you a chuckle.

A lesbian pretending to be a man so she can have sex with a woman.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/15/woman-convicted-of-impersonating-man-to-dupe-friend-into-having-sex?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

MS Clive

09-16-15, 04:24

Hello people,

I am planning on visiting Angeles city. Question do Filipinas in general have tight pussies. As do Chinese and Japanese women?

Wicked Roger

09-16-15, 07:21

This subject was recently discussed and then went off on a tangent onto A380's etc.

The issue of poor standard local carriers has been mentioned a lot and the fact they want to compete with the big boys is always a source of amusement and wonder to some (me included) as their service standards are poor in comparison (as some have noted).

These articles in the Business Monitor put things into perspective and is a good read for those who want to read it. Flying a lot from the Middle East it says a lot as the UAE carriers clearly outshine the local boys and despite having a flight per day cut, they still are full every day and overbooked at times.

PAL and CP offer better pricing but that is about it IMHO.

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/phl-uae-air-agreement-to-benefit-filipino-consumers-but-poses-threat-to-local-airlines/

http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/phl-uae-air-agreement-to-benefit-filipino-consumers-but-poses-threat-to-local-airlines-2/

And if the government bothered to invest and improve the airport infrastructure it would also help perception but pigs will fly first. A new airport as GE and other noted would be a good idea with up to date (not antiquated) equipment would help but again pigs will fly first IMHO.

Econo Tech

09-16-15, 14:47

These articles in the Business Monitor put things into perspective and is a good read for those who want to read it. Flying a lot from the Middle East it says a lot as the UAE carriers clearly outshine the local boys and despite having a flight per day cut, they still are full every day and overbooked at times.PR and 5 J are politically influence enough to trim the tails of the Mid East Carriers.

And the two families are the biggest political benefactors!

As for the plan for an airport, while a lot of educated fellows recommend to develop Clark, and it's abundant space, the power house business families want to keep everything in Manila.

Nothing will change, not now, not in 10 years time, or 20 years time.

Mbsl65

09-16-15, 15:55

I had several days in Makati with playing 9-10 grade ladies. But it got too much and I had to take a little break. Since Palawan is a close place to Kota Kinabalu, I wanted to do do something different. My Kota Kinabalu trip was awesome with 4-5 star hotels ($100/ daily average). Very rich seafood selection with ultra cheap prices, also great islands to visit. My 4 days trip was so fun, I wish I took a girl with me to. I had some chances there but I did not want to pursue. After all I was there to enjoy rather than chasing a tail. 2 days I spent in Brunei. It is a waste of time but a Filipina restaurant manager (30 yrs old Cavite girl), gave me some fun. I seriously recommend you to consider Kota Kinabalu for an alternative location.

Simmer

09-16-15, 16:36

These articles in the Business Monitor put things into perspective and is a good read for those who want to read it. Flying a lot from the Middle East it says a lot as the UAE carriers clearly outshine the local boys and despite having a flight per day cut, they still are full every day and overbooked at times.Gulf Air was shit back in 2007 though (ok, quite a while ago now! Of four flights, one was cancelled, two were delayed by several hours, wheelchair assistance failed to turn up at Bahrain, and each aircraft had broken seats and IFE in 1st class.

Wicked Roger

09-16-15, 23:18

PR and 5 J are politically influence enough to trim the tails of the Mid East Carriers.

And the two families are the biggest political benefactors!

As for the plan for an airport, while a lot of educated fellows recommend to develop Clark, and it's abundant space, the power house business families want to keep everything in Manila.

Nothing will change, not now, not in 10 years time, or 20 years time.They tried to trim the UAE carriers tails and look where it got them ET. Nowhere. A ear of cancelling the third daily MNL DXB flight (which was a hug inconvenience to people like me) and now this.

The UAE has way to much influence over the local families who went running to PNoy to complain last time. Plus many OFWs in the UAE send back millions / billions of pesos each year so the UAE could stop that by not letting visas be renewed. They view OFWs as necessary evils to do work their people won't do and can simply use other nationalities. Saudi has banned Thais for decades over an incident in BKK so the power is not with the local boys IMHO. They follow, they compete or they slowly die on those routes.

Airport p I and many others would agree. Clark is not ideal until someone builds a high speed rail link to the capital, that will never happen as the politicians will never agree how to grab their pocketful of cash etc (and even if they do it will take years to build).

Mbsl65

09-17-15, 03:07

PR and 5 J are politically influence enough to trim the tails of the Mid East Carriers.

Nothing will change, not now, not in 10 years time, or 20 years time.Very correct assessment. Chinese-Filipino cartel is killing Philippines for their own benefits.

Mbsl65

09-17-15, 03:11

They tried to Clark is not ideal until someone builds a high speed rail link to the capital, that will never happen as the politicians will never agree how to grab their pocketful of cash etc (and even if they do it will take years to build).I want to add to your statement. Filipinos are getting hired in Middle East due to their English language. They are very easy to communicate with all type of nationalities. Domestic helpers also do teach English to members of the families. Thai workers can not promptly communicate with the others due to their low English skills.

Wicked Roger

09-17-15, 04:59

I want to add to your statement. Filipinos are getting hired in Middle East due to their English language. They are very easy to communicate with all type of nationalities. Domestic helpers also do teach English to members of the families. Thai workers can not promptly communicate with the others due to their low English skills.Undoubtedly true but there is also an influx of black South Africans who are cheaper. I know as I have to deal with a few and they are truly hopeless at decision making. Filipinos were the same at times in the region but their English was better and would follow through on things.

But the UAE, the region is fickle and things can change if they perceive that PAL etc don't play the game the UAE wants as it perceives it has the power as sees Filipinos as TCNs (third country nationals) only. Have seen it happen before and it will happen again IMHO.

The local carriers face many obstacles also which are not in their control as well but bleating to the President when things don't go their way seems to be something a few powerful families do here.

Econo Tech

09-17-15, 13:35

Mbsl65

09-18-15, 08:26

Filipinos are getting hired because they are cheap.

So cheap that a lot are working for slightly twice their salary back home!

That's the truth, all thanks to the Oligarch Cartel that keeps investors away, damn the poor man's suffering.I don't know if you have been in Middle East or not but I employed many foreign nationals in Saudi Arabia. Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans were much cheaper than Filipino employess but we preferred Filipinos due to their English and Western knowledge.

Mbsl65

09-18-15, 08:28

Undoubtedly true but there is also an influx of black South Africans who are cheaper. I know as I have to deal with a few and they are truly hopeless at decision making. Filipinos were the same at times in the region but their English was better and would follow through on things.

But the UAE, the region is fickle and things can change if they perceive that PAL etc don't play the game the UAE wants as it perceives it has the power as sees Filipinos as TCNs (third country nationals) only. Have seen it happen before and it will happen again IMHO.

The local carriers face many obstacles also which are not in their control as well but bleating to the President when things don't go their way seems to be something a few powerful families do here.I am sure you know how Arabs are racist towards the blacks. I am quite sure they give them the worst jobs even they can speak English.

PirateMorgan

09-18-15, 14:38

Some guys might wonder about the real scope of Internet dating in the Philippines. Well my situation might be instructive. Instructive in terms of what can happen if you live here as I do. I live in a city. So in my profile I can refer to the fact that I am 'on the ground'. And actually, almost all of the girls have never met a foreigner and never will. So I am fresh meat. I use the website exclusively for my social life. To me there is none without it as I do not hang out anywhere at night. And Skype is essential. I will not interact with it. The country is obsessed with cellphone texting. I don't like it for getting to know someone and can't understand them when we are talking on the phone anyway. I have met some of the most beautiful girls that I have ever known. Of course not all. But plenty of 10's and some 2's also. And lot's of girls 50 years younger than me. Most are about 45 years younger than me. This is not the Dominican Republic where every girl is just about money. Lot's here are really about a husband and / or a realtionship. Sex is a 100% forgone conclusion. Ok, maybe 99%. The hours that the girls work on regular jobs makes things REALLY difficult. Most get 4 days off per month! Some work 12 hour days. They earn $160 a month for this. And they may work some distance, actually a great distance from where you are. They all spoke English At least the cabs are cheap. A one hour ride in the rain might cost $5. 00. (I hired a cab for a Sunday tour, 4 hours was $31). Anyway, I am no Don Juan that is for sure. And it is hard for me to believe that I turn anyone on. But I have received Interests, and messages on the website. Tons of them. So I counted up the number of 'favorites' that were sent to me over 30 days. Two short of 1000. In six months total interests have probably totaled 3500! Or many more. So, If social life is your thing then this is the land of milk and honey. If there is someplace better I certainly don't know where is might be.

This is where they invented 'Pura Vida'

GoodEnough

09-18-15, 14:55

I don't know if you have been in Middle East or not but I employed many foreign nationals in Saudi Arabia. Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans were much cheaper than Filipino employess but we preferred Filipinos due to their English and Western knowledge.According to some recent news reports, overall revenues from OFWs actually declined--perhaps for the first time in a long while--over the past quarter. This has caused some concerns as remittances are the country's largest source of hard currency, given that aside from people, the Philippines doesn't export much of anything. However, it imports critical staples such as rice and gasoline and thus needs a reliable stream of hard cash to pay for it all.

Approximately 2 million Filipinos enter the labor force here every year, while the local economy creates about 1 million jobs a year. Thus the flood of those seeking oversea employment is likely to grow and given that supply exceeds demand, I imagine that salaries paid will either stagnate or fall.

GE.

PirateMorgan

09-19-15, 01:18

I said 990 'favorites" I should have said 'interests' Still, shows the power of Internet and being here.

Wicked Roger

09-19-15, 07:58

Approximately 2 million Filipinos enter the labor force here every year, while the local economy creates about 1 million jobs a year.

Thus the flood of those seeking oversea employment is likely to grow and given that supply exceeds demand, I imagine that salaries paid will either stagnate or fall.

GE.GE is correct in is premise on salaries if this related to the Middle East (where many end up).

Salaries 10 years ago in the UAE for example are now significantly less influx of people not only pinoy looking for work means employers have a huge advantage and can use that to its advantage.

For example, I know pinays offered jobs in malls in Dubai. Salary is PHP30-40 k a month which sounds great to them and the families who think she is rich! But the UAE is hugely expensive. And the salary is with no benefits. Even though the law says salary plus tickets home, employer pays visa expenses, healthcare. All these are expensive and is illegal for any employer to offer this contract (in reality it prepares a false employment contract to get the work visa as none are issued unless the contract obeys the law).

So room is around PHP 10-12 k (bed space with 4-6 people per room), plus transport and food (expensive even if Chowking etc) she can only have say PHP 10-15 k left to cover her meds, her family needs, her kids school fees etc.

If she does not accept as is the another will as plenty waiting for ay chance to ay cash (ie better earn than have nothing).

So remittances will over time suffer IMHO.

The lack of job creation in this country is another issue well discussed on this forum with way too many HRM, tourism graduates being sent out into the real world with no hope of a good job (and future?

Random99

09-19-15, 12:52

According to some recent news reports, overall revenues from OFWs actually declined--perhaps for the first time in a long while--over the past quarter. This has caused some concerns as remittances are the country's largest source of hard currency, given that aside from people, the Philippines doesn't export much of anything. However, it imports critical staples such as rice and gasoline and thus needs a reliable stream of hard cash to pay for it all.If this is a trend and not a 1 year blip, the USD will get stronger vs the PHP. OFW remittances are the main thing propping up the PHP.

Econo Tech

09-20-15, 09:08

I don't know if you have been in Middle East or not but I employed many foreign nationals in Saudi Arabia. Indonesians, Bangladeshis, Sri Lankans were much cheaper than Filipino employess but we preferred Filipinos due to their English and Western knowledge.In Singapore, Filipinos are loved, not much for their English, but for the a) cheap cost vs others, b) willing to forego up to 6 months salary as placement fee, which some unscrupulous employees see as a revenue stream. (agreed, most of those taking advantage have no qualms because firstly they are small businesses, and secondly, it is a case of willing buyer-willing seller, though the Ministry of Manpower is finding ways to clamp down on that kind of abuse, their hands are tied when willingly Filipinos agree for massive placement fee).

I am talking of the professionals, in IT, service Industry etc. And in Singapore, English is not a major seller as almost everybody needs to know English to find a job, the only exception being PRCs.

Dark Knight1

09-22-15, 16:04

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2015/09/22/1502734/gunmen-kidnap-3-foreigners-filipino-davao-resort

Zamboanga City, Philippines. Government troops have been alerted to be on the look out for fleeing gunmen who abducted three foreigners and a Filipina in a resort in Samal Island off Davao del Norte.

The kidnap victims are identified as Kjartan Sekkinstad, a Norwegian resort manager, his girlfriend named Tess and two Canadians identified as John Ridsdel and Robert Hall.

P.S. I would be interested in a collection of stories of the foreigners over the last 5 years who have met their untimely demise in this country.

Econo Tech

09-22-15, 20:14

P.S. I would be interested in a collection of stories of the foreigners over the last 5 years who have met their untimely demise in this country.Not many cases even reach the news media.

In fact, a year ago a German was killed in Cavite, and till today the cops are saying it was a crime of passion. Though there was a kidnap attempt gone wrong.

Stories?

RacShack

09-23-15, 09:14

In Singapore, Filipinos are loved, not much for their English, but for the a) cheap cost vs others, b) willing to forego up to 6 months salary as placement fee, which some unscrupulous employees see as a revenue stream. (agreed, most of those taking advantage have no qualms because firstly they are small businesses, and secondly, it is a case of willing buyer-willing seller, though the Ministry of Manpower is finding ways to clamp down on that kind of abuse, their hands are tied when willingly Filipinos agree for massive placement fee).

I am talking of the professionals, in IT, service Industry etc. And in Singapore, English is not a major seller as almost everybody needs to know English to find a job, the only exception being PRCs.Hi,

Booked a flight to Phils for 22 days leave on the 23rd day, then tonight I'm reading about the 21 day visa, anybody know what kind of jam up I face when leaving? Is this a big deal or something not to worrie about? Or something to be concerned about!

Thanks any help.

Simmer

09-23-15, 16:10

Hi,

Booked a flight to Phils for 22 days leave on the 23rd day, then tonight I'm reading about the 21 day visa, anybody know what kind of jam up I face when leaving? Is this a big deal or something not to worrie about? Or something to be concerned about!

Thanks any help.http://www.immigration.gov.ph/faqs/travel-req says:

If you are a foreign national from a country with diplomatic ties or bilateral agreement with the Philippines, you are allowed to enter the country without securing an entry visa and will be given an initial stay of thirty (30) days provided that you are a holder of a passport valid for at least six (6) months beyond your contemplated stay in the Philippines and present a return or onward ticket.

Wicked Roger

09-24-15, 07:31

Mogwai

09-24-15, 07:49

Econo Tech

09-24-15, 16:28

Just saw this in the Inquirer. Like a few other posters I use the airport a lot both domestically and internationally. Just something to be aware of and hope it never happens to anyone else. The US missionary seems to gone ad made a complaint, maybe picked on the wrong guy?

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/724782/another-naia-flyer-complains-bullet-in-bag-plantedA friend, once in NAIA 3, was told that the security found a pocket knife.

The fellow went ballistic and demanded what kind of joke is this, as he never has seen that knife in his whole life.

The security had laughed it off and told that it was a little joke. Joke Lang.

Not funny.

If my friend had got shocked, I am sure they would have set on him and tried to screw him.

I am sure many success stories never went to the press, as most people are terrified of Authority in PH.

Especially when you know they can make you miss the flight for no reason, and their leaders will insist that they are just following instructions!

Wicked Roger

09-24-15, 22:11

A friend, once in NAIA 3, was told that the security found a pocket knife.

The fellow went ballistic and demanded what kind of joke is this, as he never has seen that knife in his whole life.

The security had laughed it off and told that it was a little joke. Joke Lang.

Not funny.

If my friend had got shocked, I am sure they would have set on him and tried to screw him.

I am sure many success stories never went to the press, as most people are terrified of Authority in PH.

Especially when you know they can make you miss the flight for no reason, and their leaders will insist that they are just following instructions!GE had posted the link also in the Manila thread (great minds think alike or just we both use NAIA a lot). I have no pockets etc on my hand carry so no one can plant anything in the bag All they can say is what happened to your friend and I would also react the same way and challenge the person.

As GE said, the number of scams (shale downs I you prefer) is increasing. What do you expect when politicians appear to do worse and get away with it. Was always told the leader sets an example. And they do and the subjects follow LOL.

Seriously this is not funny as it could be much worse than a missed flight as the missionary man found out.

Econo Tech

09-25-15, 00:10

What do you expect when politicians appear to do worse and get away with it. Was always told the leader sets an example. And they do and the subjects follow LOL.
Why blame the leaders? Their culture itself, in a way, screwed up for the state of the nation.

As Lee Kuan Yew famously said, the Filipino culture is so forgiving.

"Something had gone seriously wrong. Millions of Filipino men and women had to leave their country for jobs abroad beneath their level of education. Filipino professionals. Are as good as our own. Indeed, their architects, artists, and musicians are more artistic and creative than ours. The difference lies in the culture of the Filipino people. It is a soft, forgiving culture. Only in the Philippines could a leader like Ferdinand Marcos, who pillaged his country for over 20 years, still be considered for a national burial. Insignificant amounts of the loot have been recovered, yet his wife and children were allowed to return and engage in politics. "

And.

http://www.philstar.com/news-feature/2015/03/23/1436680/15-things-lee-kuan-yew-said-about-philippines

GoodEnough

09-25-15, 04:43

GE had posted the link also in the Manila thread (great minds think alike or just we both use NAIA a lot). I have no pockets etc on my hand carry so no one can plant anything in the bag All they can say is what happened to your friend and I would also react the same way and challenge the person.

As GE said, the number of scams (shale downs I you prefer) is increasing. What do you expect when politicians appear to do worse and get away with it. Was always told the leader sets an example. And they do and the subjects follow LOL.

Seriously this is not funny as it could be much worse than a missed flight as the missionary man found out.Fortunately, it's doubtful that the same scam could recur in Davao, as the security guys know full well what would likely happen to them as soon as the scam was reported. They would stand to lose significantly more than their jobs.

GE.

Hoza1

09-26-15, 14:33

WestCoast1

09-26-15, 15:36

It seems that texting / calling is a pretty essential tool of the trade here. So I'm wondering what the best approach is. I really don't want to give out my cell number and was wondering what my options are? Can I buy a disposable / pay as you go phone when I get there? I mean I'm sure I can but is it the way to go?

I read about sim cards on here but not real familiar with those. Not really sure how those help the cause. Also, I have an iPhone so not sure if I can use a sim card with it.You can Google instructions to find out if your iPhone is locked (or you can call your service provider, ie ATT) and they will tell you if the phone is locked. If its locked, they will send you an unlock code if you ask for it, via email. You can Google instructions for how to unlock your phone once you have the unlock code. Once the phone is unlocked, you buy a SIM card in the foreign country you visit (ie Phils, about $1) and stick it in your phone. Your phone has a new (phils) phone number as long as you leave the new SIM card in the phone. You can switch back / forth the SIM cards as you please. If you use a phils SIM card, you must pay (in advance) for a 'load' (the amount of timed calls, txt msgs, or data), typically any amount up to p1000. You can load a SIM card on the street for any amount, even a small amount like 5 pesos. Each txt msg will cost you 1 peso of your load. A phone call will typically cost you about p6 / minute. Using data to browse the web or chat in an app (ie, YM) will burn thru your load quickly.

You can also choose to purchase a pre-paid 'plan' for unlimited txt, call, and / or data, for a specific time (ie, 2 days, 7 days, 30 days). I prefer to get a phils SIM card in my phone and purchase an unlimited plan for 30 days (even if I'm in-country for 3 weeks only). Pinoy call an unlimited plan 'unli'.

If you choose not to use your phone, then yes, purchase a cheap disposable phone (along with a SIM card, and load it) and use that. A cheap disposable will run p600+, and a smart phone will cost p5000+.

WC.

Fastpiston

09-26-15, 23:57

Fortunately, it's doubtful that the same scam could recur in Davao, as the security guys know full well what would likely happen to them as soon as the scam was reported. They would stand to lose significantly more than their jobs.

GE.But GE, the scam still happens.

Best have one's cell phone on audio RECORD while going through ALL airports in the Philippines.

That way, the request for dirt money is recorded. At least then one has evidence. A good lawyer would need that and the TV channels would love to get hold of that recording.

PdxMonger

09-27-15, 00:17

MrWoolyBooly

09-27-15, 04:31

From the Makati thread -.

Unfortunately. Or more accurately fortunately. I have a life that precludes me from fucking a new stranger every hour on the hour and then spending whatever time is left reading thousands of pages of threads on fucking. You truly live a "blessed" life. Congrats.

There is an inherent seediness to mongering no matter how you do it (if anyone thinks there isn't, you're fooling yourself). To me you ratchet it up to whole new levels. You may be a great guy. You just seem whacked to me.I agree, Mr Hoza: As subjective as "seediness" is, this forum would not exist without it. On that premise, any variation of seediness on this forum among individuals is just a matter of degree. As for Mr Skogis's time spent reading and writing on this forum, I'm very appreciative. His reading and writing pastime harm none while informing and entertaining many. Such contributions and contributors are the reason this forum exists.

Many, maybe even most of us make no deceptive promises to the women we bed. Mr Skogis in particular even gives them money even though he specifically excludes girls who request it up front. This eliminates the whole prostititution-as-exploitation debate and is simply two (or three or however many) competent adults doing whatever consenting adults want to do with or to or for each other in private. Specifically in the Philippines, there's such a bewildering mix of self-delusion, repressed desires, desperation, curiosity, lengthy celibacy, hopeless abandon, sincere affection, scheming and deception in differing proportions, that it's impossible to untangle motives. It's a form of respect just to assume the women we meet know what's best for their own selves.

I disagree that Mr Skogis is whacked. Many or most guys would love to own a palace with a large wing for the fully occupied harem of eager sexmates. (I'd personally also have a refuge wing where none could enter.) Just figuring out the logistics of it now: Lease an entire boarding house with a separate nearby small condo for my refuge? I'm open to suggestions in this area, whacked though it may be. I agree that consenting passionate adult sex is indeed a blessing. I wish it for all, each as much or as little as makes them happy.

There seems to be a rock-solid belief system in pinoy culture regarding boy / girl relationships, that seems to go something like this: {Meet. Attracted. Date. Engage. Marry. Raise up a bunch of babies. Stay sweet on each other thru old age}. That is not always a reality, but the belief seems to be held solidly in almost all pinoy I've run into.
Very well stated, Mr Coast. Just to entertain myself, I play games with this belief system you describe. When a girl criticizes another for being "malandi" (flirtatious, or even slutty depending on context), I'll ask "Don't you believe that there's a good match for her somewhere?" They'll assume any breakup is tragic, involving 3rd party sex and go through absurd lengths to keep up appearances. How many Filipinas we've met were theoretically (at least to friends / family / neighbors) in a relationship with another guy? I'm thinking most. The vast majority of dating site girls say "I'm looking for a serious relationship" (precisely what you describe) or "I'm looking for a husband. " I mock that one by saying "Shouldn't you be friends first?" They rarely get it. It's bizarre how this belief system keeps its hold on Filipinas in spite of the disrespect, mistreatment and abandonment they often get from Pinoy guys. Makes a guy the slightest bit considerate seem like a knight in shining armor by comparison. To paraphrase one of my mongering exemplars about his dating prospects when visiting the Philippines: "So many hot single moms, so little time!" Somehow all these contradictions even get compartmentalized so that sexy Pinays can eagerly ride Wooly ragged one hour, then spend formal time with the family and official Pinoy BF the next.

Westerners also have this belief system, but we also understand there are breakups, and also people who don't want anything to do with this system. Tell any pinoy that you don't believe in this system (ie, that you don't want marriage, or kids, or that you want kids outside of marriage) and they will look at you like you are from another planet, and they might try and change your mind (to the point of re-arguing the idea with you ad nauseum).Agreed: Most Filipinas can't fathom holding sincere beliefs about relationships different from their own. My long term Filipina friends all eventually came to thank me for my candor after they got literally and figuratively screwed over so many times by others.

Engine Driver

09-27-15, 09:02

I know everyone has a different perspective on looks. But we would all agree that Victoria Secret girls are hot. I am looking for very hot girls like that in Philippines.

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?I hope you don't mind my saying, but this is a silly question. There is no particular city which has a monopoly on good looking women. All cities have their share of hot and ugly women. Yes, even Medellin, Colombia has ugly woman. If you are looking for Victoria Secret type girls, you should visit the Hi-so clubs in Manila. Hutsori has written detailed lists in this forum of high end club action.

Wicked Roger

09-27-15, 09:16

I know everyone has a different perspective on looks. But we would all agree that Victoria Secret girls are hot. I am looking for very hot girls like that in Philippines.

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?I agree with ED and he did not note you ask lots of questions but don't say which of the places you visit have the best.

Beauty is in the eye of beholder, I see guys with girls who IMHO are ugly so who know the answer.

Member #4387

09-27-15, 10:44

There are so many beautiful girls around the world but if I would narrow it down to the PD Mongers question, I would go with Jakarta. Girls down there I find more stunning than in most countries. No one has to agree with me but I am speaking in general terms only. Often are indo girls taller, better boobs and hips that pinays(better than most girls globaly infact)

I view this also from a globaly perspective though and I believe that the most stunning girls grew up everywhere. Like in my country, and no one knows why, we have this small town / village called Jessheim (a tad north of Oslo). Here are, by far, the most beautiful norwegian girls come from So in this perspective I find the questionmaker not to far off asking his question. They grow up and lovate everywhere. Ofcourse if u are stunningly beautiful, then at some point most girls will use there Beauty (and the beast) will be sometimes centered to small locations and in a genetic perspective beautiful people mate with other beautiful people. I leave out many factors but still it can be some sort of explenation.

Mbsl65

09-28-15, 01:57

I know everyone has a different perspective on looks. But we would all agree that Victoria Secret girls are hot. I am looking for very hot girls like that in Philippines.

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?The hottest girls are always in the cities with best economies. For example, assuming you are from Portland, OR, most of the hot girls from Portland go to LA. LV, PHX, MIA or NY. So, the same rules apply the Philippines. Hotties are around Makati Greenbelt, GBC or Cebu. Even if they are not there, they will eventually end up there.

PdxMonger

09-29-15, 04:25

The hottest girls are always in the with best economies.I agree with this analysis. I think I will stick to Makati. That is what I wanted to know. I know beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and no one city has all the good looking girls. But there may me some places that the hot P4P females congregate for better business, laws, cops etc. That is what I was looking for.

Hutzesq

09-29-15, 07:03

Was fortunate enough to make a first trip to Makati and AC a few months ago. Only spent about a day and a half in Makati, but it is obviously a good area. Only had time for a Burgos bar girl and a Havana Cafe freelancer, both were not that special but I can see how those with time and some fieldwork do very well there. Then headed to AC for a week. A board member graciously showed me the place on my first night, I picked up a girl way too late, thought she did a runner but it turned out she came back a few hours later with a friend who she offered up to me and they just wanted to screw, sleep and eat. Crazy place, crazy girls.

On my second night in AC I met a super cute, super sweet 21 year old bargirl who was also really shy. She had only been in town two months and had not accepted many barfines (other girls in the bar and the manager later verified this), mostly wanted to sell drinks (needed to raise money to help her family rebuild house in Tacloban destroyed by hurricane). Told her I was a nice guy and she eventually agreed to a bar fine. I think it helped that I am reasonably young by AC standards (43) and short and fit (I am not too far from being Philipino sized, but with an American sized wallet). Wound up spending the next 6 nights with this girl. Didn't go to AC with the intent of wife-ing up, but it was just a great GFE experience and the girl was very sweet and easy to be with (the "its up to you" pinay experience). Also I was there in July, AC was insanely hot and basically the town is a dive, so spending each day just chilling with this girl at the pool on top of the Penthouse Hotel seemed like the best thing I could do there (FYI. The Penthouse Hotel is nice, but poorly built and looks far more worn than a 2 year old building should, plus one elevator is always out of order. Locals told me the Central Park Tower next door is much better and it also has a nice roof top pool). I know I probably should have handled this differently and tried out a lot more girls, but I still had a great time. At the end of 6 nights the girl was crying when I left and I promised to come back soon. She wound up moving back to her family home shortly after I left town and I have been chatting with her on Viber. While she is a very sweet and simple girl, the conversation is a bit lacking as you might expect.

I now have the chance to spend up to 2 weeks in the Phils around American Thanksgiving after business meetings in Singapore. I was thinking of flying to Cebu, spending a week there (trying my luck with bars, malls and online sites) in order to experience more girls and hopefully not just bar girls. After a week on my own, I was going to fly the girl I met in AC to Cebu and then head with her to Boracay for a week.

Hope this wasn't too much background info. My questions for the Board are:

1. Is Cebu a reasonably nice place (is it more like Makati than AC?) where you can enjoy walking around, some sightseeing and of course trying to pick up girls? I have read that it is one of the nicest cities in the Phils, is this true? Are there any non-mongering tourist activities worth doing there? Any recommended places to stay in Cebu. Should I try to be close to the malls or bars?

2. For online sites that work in Cebu it seems the Board members use DIA and Filipino Cupid. Are there other sites I should look to? Given that I only have a week, it is worth it to spend time online or are Cebu girls receptive enough that just walking around malls and the city can work? Are there any Board members in Cebu who would be willing to help this noob out?

3. If possible I prefer LT GFE experiences, is that possible with girls in Cebu or do they generally have to get back home and can't be gone all night? (obviously one advantage with bar girls in AC is that overnight is the standard).

4. Haven't read much about Boracay on the Board, other than the recommendation to bring a girl with you. For those who have gone, is it worth going if I am looking for a good beach vacation or are other spots better? Any recommendations on where to stay? Are all the tourists there from China / Korea or do English speakers go there?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts. I greatly appreciate ISG and I try to give back when I can.

SaltyPete

09-29-15, 13:42

I was in Boracay in March '15 for 3 nights and brought a girl with me. The beach setting is spectacular, but the water had a band of green algae extending out about 15-20 feet. The majority of visitors seemed to be Korean and Japanese, but English was the common language. There are a lot of restaurants on the beach but I did not find a good one in my 3 nights. The fire shows on the beach are interesting the first time. There are a lot of activities such as snorkeling, helmet and scuba diving and jet skiing available at a reasonable price, but best to book directly with the operator (Station 1) and not with touts or hotel. There is good evening and night social life with live bands playing until 1-2 am. The women I saw that were possibly "available" at the tourist bars would have had to pay me, but I didn't spend anytime searching for that so there may have been better options elsewhere.

I plan to return with another girl. But if you are already in Cebu, you can book a beach resort on Mactan Island and save a lot in airfare, time and hassle (getting to Boracay from the closest airport is an adventure in itself). The beaches on Mactan Island are not as scenic, but they are more private. Again, the majority of guests are Japanese and Korean. But the Filipino hotel staff are sincerely happy to have you. And, you will get to experience rural Philippines on the ride out to the beach; an experience you won't get staying in the city. It'll put "poor" in a whole different context.

Mbsl65

09-29-15, 14:14

I agree with this analysis. I think I will stick to Makati. That is what I wanted to know. I know beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and no one city has all the good looking girls. But there may me some places that the hot P4P females congregate for better business, laws, cops etc. That is what I was looking for.I recommend you to do your homework before going there. Also Manila do have a serious traffic issue and you just schedule your appointments accordingly. I also recommend you to stay around Greenbelt. There are couple places where FL hang out. You can find some hotties and go to your hotel in a breeze. Have fun.

Wicked Roger

09-29-15, 19:42

Hope this wasn't too much background info. My questions for the Board are:

1. Is Cebu a reasonably nice place (is it more like Makati than AC?) where you can enjoy walking around, some sightseeing and of course trying to pick up girls? I have read that it is one of the nicest cities in the Phils, is this true? Are there any non-mongering tourist activities worth doing there? Any recommended places to stay in Cebu. Should I try to be close to the malls or bars?

2. For online sites that work in Cebu it seems the Board members use DIA and Filipino Cupid. Are there other sites I should look to? Given that I only have a week, it is worth it to spend time online or are Cebu girls receptive enough that just walking around malls and the city can work? Are there any Board members in Cebu who would be willing to help this noob out?

3. If possible I prefer LT GFE experiences, is that possible with girls in Cebu or do they generally have to get back home and can't be gone all night? (obviously one advantage with bar girls in AC is that overnight is the standard)..There is a separate thread on Cebu that can help you with the questions. But yes IMHO Cebu is way better than Manila / Makati. But don't tell people as they will all come to Cebu and spoil my fun LOL. Pinays are pinays everywhere, need to ask ad see what happens.

Member #4387

09-29-15, 22:57

Haven't read much about Boracay on the Board, other than the recommendation to bring a girl with you. For those who have gone, is it worth going if I am looking for a good beach vacation or are other spots better? Any recommendations on where to stay? Are all the tourists there from China / Korea or do English speakers go there?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts. I greatly appreciate ISG and I try to give back when I can.I've been 3 times to Boracay (Oct 14, Jan 15 and Feb 15). 2 times each time with different regular pinay and 1 time with my norwegian GF. Since I use phils as a pukie paradise it felt only weird bringing a GF here, hehe.

With the pinays I stayed at Uptown resort(quite big room with huge terrace)located at station 2 and its d'Mall. It was on the beachfront. Atleast living close to the d'Mall you have loads of shopping/resto options and atleast girls tend to appreciate this greatly and it means you can get a little me time. I need activity so just do sunbathing is not my cup of tea so I do all activity possible at a beach. Some of them mentioned here by previous poster. On one occation I rented a speedboat for a whole day and that was fun driving like crazy. Had to have a guide with us but since I know how to handle speedboats and as he soon realized this, he just sat in the back sleeping and ofcourse corrected me when I tried to be a bit to adventerous and tried going into restricted areas. If I remember correctly I paid 10000 or 15000 piso for a whole day (more than enough to get tired from it). Second time i rented a speedboat for only a few hours and it was 5 or 7000piso. It takes you faster around the small island than the boring catamarans (I think them are boring). Jetski is normaly fun but on boracay you have to drive around in circle on a very restricted area so it is fun the first ten lapses maybe. The Uptown resort was US150 or 200 a night (something in that area) and slow wifi on both occations.

With my norwegian GF I stayed at Shangri-la resort. This is pure luxury and located a bit offskirts from the rest of the boracay action. On the other hand everything you possible can think of is located within the resort and its got its own private beach. They have incl transports to and from the "city" and also have one private port so you get picked up at Catlican and boated all the way to Shangri-la. For a private house of some size (1 bdr pool villa, 250 sqm) on this resort expect to pay around US1100 a night. I played a lot of tabletennis with the staff here while my GF rested out in the sun.

More general stralling around within the the'Mall I saw inside some bars ladies sitting and nursing their san miguels. Atleast they looked like they could be available for rent. The bar outside Red Coconut Hotel seemed also to get a few seedy ladies during nighttime (located at the beachfront not far from the'Mall). A few beauties to be seen but my general impression from what I saw and conclusion based from that would be: bring your own package to Boracay.

But in general I did like Boracay even if, as stated from a previous poster earlier, the never ending firedanceshows quickly gets old. It can also be a hazzle bcs every resto / bar of some size has its own liveband. This does not prevent you from also having to listen to the neighbouring live bands. It soon becomes confusing when you hear Bony M, U2 and "Living like a prayer" all in one time.

Blanquiceleste

09-30-15, 01:09

If cost is not an issue, which town has the most attractive girls. Angeles? Cebu? Manila?IMHO in the mongering world you just have to follow the money. Money money means better looking women, all other environmental conditions remaining the same. For instance, there is a ton of money here in Singapore but the LE makes availability harder than say. BKK.

MrWoolyBooly

09-30-15, 02:11

Thanks for the heads up Mr Wooly. Gave me a nice chuckle. And your advice would be taken up if I've ever met such a young girl again. Still I am curious when guys say they take these girls and some even spend many days / week together, how is that possible? What they do? We all know no one can fuck 24 hrs in a row (atleast not without breaks and it is the breaks which would worrie me sick). In the real world this is a non excisting problem and maybe even just a problem I've created in my head. Even so we know that the mongerworld works different from the outside world (atleast in my case, hehe) Puh finaly home for some needed rest time.Here's my best serious answer to the problem:

With Pinays who are just hot with no intellectual interests. I take them to movies, zip lines, bowling, swimming, Enchanted Kingdom, lazer tag, cart racing or sporting events. All of these things entertain me without intellectual demands.

For finding hot Pinays who can offer both sex and adult intellectual conversation, I've only found success with students and grads of the better colleges. Below are my experiences by college. My advice is to gradually shift your FB contacts in the direction of better colleges. IMHO your biggest challenge is keeping your world-class schedule efficiency. Your posts describe staying mostly in a small area of Makati. Most of the best colleges and college girls are elsewhere.

Most of my experience with the smarter girls required at least one or two non-sex meetings outside the hotel. Typical date stuff: food, drinks, whatever. They also react better to good, intelligent conversations online. That takes more time too, but if you're always working on 5-10 new ones the sex schedule fills up easily. At least for me and normal guys who can survive on only 2 or 3 pops per day. Note: I have no idea if my experiences are typical. My generalizations may be worthless. I'm curious how other experienced members would describe. Anybody who disagrees with me can ignore.

My observations in Metro Manila:

UP Diliman (Quezon City) - Very smart. Public university so lots of needy girls, but can be proud. If you're nerdy or your politics are leftist or you can pretend, you can get what you want by keeping communication over time. Eventually many apples drop from the tree. Good place for long-term friends who will be available over the years for occasional fun if that's what you want. Not a high percentage of hotties, but there are some.

FEU (Manila) - Very large number of sexy girls from humble families trying to live more glamorous lifestyles and find a sugar daddy or two. They get addicted to spending more than they have. Happiest hunting grounds for a guy who likes to sponsor a girl while getting connections to more college girls than he'll ever be able to bang. Except of course Mr Skogis. Not intellectual, but at least know current events.

JRU (Mandaluyong) - Earnest intelligent girls, but lots from the local Mandaluyong area. They'll often see people they know at the nearby malls (Marketplace Kalentong, Robinson Forum, etc) and be very conservative in public there, but if you persuade them to cross the river into Makati most should be ready to play on the second or third date. One I knew was conservative but persuadable if she thinks you're "serious" and you spend time and pretend it's only her. Another was very smart and after establishing a real acquaintanceship will admit she needs a sponsor. She was not good looking but one of the best cowgirls I've ever met.

UMak (Makati) - Dirt-cheap education for girls with no money. I've never met a girl from UMak who didn't want a sugar daddy, and most could be talked into sex. For your preferred hotel location I recommend starting here, although it's closer to the Fort. Lots of needy hotties, but not geniuses. They try to postpone sex until after the first date. Depends how much brain effort you want to spend persuading.

University of Perpetual Help System (Las Pinas) - Lots of beautiful girls, but higher rate of virgins. I detect a peer pressure of shame against especially foreigner BF and sex in general. Definitely recommend protecting her privacy to have a chance. Much better chance to succeed after they graduate and go into the real world. They're horny, are unemployed or working entry-level jobs, and don't have their college buddies hanging around to be embarrassed. They just need lots of nonsense words and time to pass before play.

University of Caloocan City. Similar to UMak cheap education but even poorer. When they start they are conservative and terrified of "chismis" (rumors), but by the time they graduate they are desperate for "a stable guy" and will play whatever you want if you protect them from "chismis". Last year students and recent grads are most ready.

My experiences outside of Metro Manila are restricted to a couple cities, but PM if interested. Hope this helps, and good luck!

PolyOrchid

09-30-15, 05:09

I'll be posting this in the Bangkok General Info site as well. Here's my situation: love Pinays and spend a good bit of time in PI but need to be in Bangkok for the next several months.

This question is for pan-Asian monger travelers / workers who may share the same Pinay Predilection: Where is the best hunting grounds for Pinays in Bangkok?. Is Bangkok much of a destination for the OFW domestic helper troops?

I'm NOT looking for bar girls who just make the BKK loop to snag johns. Am looking for more of a "normal" girl who could use a little companionship, help, and a friendly monger to ease her day.

Thanks, guys.

BTW, am in Hong Kong right now. No shortage of Pinays working Wan Chi and TST here, at prices leagues above PI. Was talking to one last night and she informed me Pinays can only come to HK about twice a year, visa-wise, and they make the most of the earning opportunities. Prices at about 1000 HKD ($130 USD) for short-time.

Hutzesq

09-30-15, 05:20

Skogis, Wicked Roger & SaltyPete. Thanks for your thoughts on Cebu and Boracay. Seems like my plan is a reasonable one. SaltyPete. Not sure why you said getting to Boracay is an adventure. It looks like there are lots of Cebu Pacific flights from Cebu to Catlican and I can fly direct from Kalibo to Taipei to catch a flight back home to the States. I thought the main problem with air travel in the Phils was Manila airport. Are these airports also a mess or is the problem in getting to and from the airports?

Wicked Roger. I will also post my questions in the Cebu forum. Since I was asking about several places, I went with the general forum.

Thanks

Hutsori

09-30-15, 06:42

Here's my best serious answer to the problem:

With Pinays who are just hot with no intellectual interests. I take them to movies, zip lines, bowling, swimming, Enchanted Kingdom, lazer tag, cart racing or sporting events. All of these things entertain me without intellectual demands.

For finding hot Pinays who can offer both sex and adult intellectual conversation, I've only found success with students and grads of the better colleges. Below are my experiences by college. My advice is to gradually shift your FB contacts in the direction of better colleges. IMHO your biggest challenge is keeping your world-class schedule efficiency. Your posts describe staying mostly in a small area of Makati. Most of the best colleges and college girls are elsewhere.
Of course girls vary widely, but this is an excellent, if general report. The UP girls I've met are wonderful, fully conversant in English, very world aware, tend to do charity work, and even have an understanding about food once they leave school and find good employment. They're very aspirational, but not greedy. They're keen to travel overseas and once employed many do so independently. These girls are doers. Polytechnic University of the Philippines is for the poor kids who are aren't smart enough to enter UP, but they're still smart. Ateneo and DLSU girls tend to be upper crust, privileged, more fashion and consumer oriented, generally smart but not socially aware unless it's a social-event charity. These two schools get tagged unfairly of being arrogant, but I haven't found that in my case. Could be they are uppity around Filipinos. Their big concern is rumours and scandal, so they are good for fubus with foreigners because we don't run in their social circles. UST girls are a notch lower than DLSU and Ateneo. Mapua girls are the engineers and scientists. They're pretty bright, not super attractive, and Mapua has a small presence in Makati. FEU also has a presence in Makati across the street from RCBC at corner of Ayala Ave and Buendia. There's a Starbucks at the Columns Condos next to the school; the DLSU runs some MBA courses inside RCBC, and there is a Starbucks inside RCBC. The University of the City of Manila (not the University of Manila) is a tuition-free school that attracts the very bright but poor. Girls from provincial state schools who have moved to Manila after completing their studies are OK. Their English can be a bit shaky but they tend to be keen. Often they're away from home for the first time, have a bit of money in their pockets, and they're eager to embrace their freedom and experiences, but they're not earning much and have obligations to send money home. These girls are more reactors than initiators, but will happily follow along in just about anything.

Worf1972

09-30-15, 13:08

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Be cautioned during security check.

By shavy.

Sep 24,2015.

Earlier this year in 2015, this kind of tricks at Manila Airport has been reported by a few travellers. At the security check control if your not the lucky one you will be confronted with this horrible situation.

During security control while your luggage passing through X-ray scanner, they will pick you up to set aside. You'll be ask to open your luggage. One of security staff is wearing gloves, will go into your bags and suddenly they'll found a bullets inside.

Surely, nobody travel with bullet in their luggage. The interrogation start here. They will take you to an office where you will be ask to pay an amount and they'll let you go. If you don't want to pay you will be hold as long as they want till you've change your mind to pay the certain amount, the asked amount is about 30.000 peso.

Lately this incident is getting worse, one of our friend has been a victim. This happen at terminal 4, he was travelling to Palawan with his father and stepmother when they were stopped at the X-ray scanner area of NAIA Terminal 4.

They said a security guard pulled out a 22 caliber bullet from the pocket of his luggage after repeatedly scanning it on the X-ray machine. He denied that the bullet belonged to him. He told the security staff he was not aware how it got inside the luggage.

During their conversation, our friend alleged that a male security staff told him that his problem will be settled for P30,000. He refused to settle with the NAIA staff and instead insisted that he is innocent.

Our friend was detained for five days by airport police at the Manila International Airport for allegedly concealing a bullet in his checked-in baggage. He's already hired a lawyer to answer the charges against him. He is contemplating on pressing civil and criminal charges against the people who attempted to extort money from him, himself is a lawyer he know he's right.

Fellow travellers be very careful when traveling to Manila. I'll be travelling to Manila soon. Some travellers advice to wrap a plastic to your luggage before check-in. Locked your hand luggage and your small bag, so they can't get with their hands during X-ray scan. If you need to open your luggage be alert and keep an eye to officer's hand. Recommended taking your cell phone to film any search of your bags.

SaltyPete

09-30-15, 13:33

SaltyPete. Not sure why you said getting to Boracay is an adventure. It looks like there are lots of Cebu Pacific flights from Cebu to Catlican and I can fly direct from Kalibo to Taipei to catch a flight back home to the States. I thought the main problem with air travel in the Phils was Manila airport. Are these airports also a mess or is the problem in getting to and from the airports?
ThanksThe air travel was fine. I've had 4 flights on Cebu Pacific and each time I've checked in, I've been told that my flight is delayed 2 hours, but the previous delayed flight still has open seats, and departs at my flights departure time. Would I like a seat on it? So it pays to get to the airport a bit early if you want to arrive at your destination on time. Cebu Pacific has a partnership with Southwest, a company that provides transportation from Catlican to Boracay via bus, ferry, then bus, and they sell passes on the flight. My original plan was to just trike it to the dock, catch a public ferry, then a trike to the hotel but the Southwest pass seemed a lot less stressful so I bought a couple for my girl and me. Unfortunately, once we landed, Southwest required a printout of my Cebu Pacific listing which I did not have (boarding passes were not acceptable). But the passengers that did have their printouts had to stand in a line to get their docs checked, stand in another line to get a ticket, wait for the next private bus to the docks, wait for the next private ferry, then wait for the next private bus to take them to their hotel, which stopped at multiple other hotels en route.

I was eventually able to get a printout of the listing from the airline's office at the airport, then did the line-up-and-wait routine myself. All in all, it would have been cheaper and much faster for me to stick with my original plan. Since I arrived with jet lag, I was not in a good mood to deal with this non-sense so I started the trip in a bad mood. I should have done better research on ground transportation but it was a spontaneous trip.

Ebauche

09-30-15, 18:16

This post should be a sticky.

Here's my best serious answer to the problem:

With Pinays who are just hot with no intellectual interests. I take them to movies, zip lines, bowling, swimming, Enchanted Kingdom, lazer tag, cart racing or sporting events. All of these things entertain me without intellectual demands.

For finding hot Pinays who can offer both sex and adult intellectual conversation, I've only found success with students and grads of the better colleges. Below are my experiences by college. My advice is to gradually shift your FB contacts in the direction of better colleges. IMHO your biggest challenge is keeping your world-class schedule efficiency. Your posts describe staying mostly in a small area of Makati. Most of the best colleges and college girls are elsewhere.

Most of my experience with the smarter girls required at least one or two non-sex meetings outside the hotel. Typical date stuff: food, drinks, whatever. They also react better to good, intelligent conversations online. That takes more time too, but if you're always working on 5-10 new ones the sex schedule fills up easily. At least for me and normal guys who can survive on only 2 or 3 pops per day. Note: I have no idea if my experiences are typical. My generalizations may be worthless. I'm curious how other experienced members would describe. Anybody who disagrees with me can ignore.

My observations in Metro Manila:

UP Diliman (Quezon City) - Very smart. Public university so lots of needy girls, but can be proud. If you're nerdy or your politics are leftist or you can pretend, you can get what you want by keeping communication over time. Eventually many apples drop from the tree. Good place for long-term friends who will be available over the years for occasional fun if that's what you want. Not a high percentage of hotties, but there are some.

FEU (Manila) - Very large number of sexy girls from humble families trying to live more glamorous lifestyles and find a sugar daddy or two. They get addicted to spending more than they have. Happiest hunting grounds for a guy who likes to sponsor a girl while getting connections to more college girls than he'll ever be able to bang. Except of course Mr Skogis. Not intellectual, but at least know current events.

JRU (Mandaluyong) - Earnest intelligent girls, but lots from the local Mandaluyong area. They'll often see people they know at the nearby malls (Marketplace Kalentong, Robinson Forum, etc) and be very conservative in public there, but if you persuade them to cross the river into Makati most should be ready to play on the second or third date. One I knew was conservative but persuadable if she thinks you're "serious" and you spend time and pretend it's only her. Another was very smart and after establishing a real acquaintanceship will admit she needs a sponsor. She was not good looking but one of the best cowgirls I've ever met.

UMak (Makati) - Dirt-cheap education for girls with no money. I've never met a girl from UMak who didn't want a sugar daddy, and most could be talked into sex. For your preferred hotel location I recommend starting here, although it's closer to the Fort. Lots of needy hotties, but not geniuses. They try to postpone sex until after the first date. Depends how much brain effort you want to spend persuading.

University of Perpetual Help System (Las Pinas) - Lots of beautiful girls, but higher rate of virgins. I detect a peer pressure of shame against especially foreigner BF and sex in general. Definitely recommend protecting her privacy to have a chance. Much better chance to succeed after they graduate and go into the real world. They're horny, are unemployed or working entry-level jobs, and don't have their college buddies hanging around to be embarrassed. They just need lots of nonsense words and time to pass before play.

University of Caloocan City. Similar to UMak cheap education but even poorer. When they start they are conservative and terrified of "chismis" (rumors), but by the time they graduate they are desperate for "a stable guy" and will play whatever you want if you protect them from "chismis". Last year students and recent grads are most ready.

My experiences outside of Metro Manila are restricted to a couple cities, but PM if interested. Hope this helps, and good luck!

Sxxxx

09-30-15, 23:09

..............................Be cautioned during security check.

Sep 24,2015.

Earlier this year in 2015, this kind of tricks at Manila Airport has been reported by a few travellers. At the security check control if your not the lucky one you will be confronted with this horrible situation. ..................................................Bullet scam:

Thanks for that important info. Only suggestion I can make is land at Cebu or Clark airports to avoid the Manila scam. Taking pic. You would have to be close up to his hand, they could say taking pics inside airport not allowed etc. We need some response from smart travellers, there might be a way around it. Paying legal fees, being held at Airport for five days, is not an option. Thanks pal.

Chocha Monger

10-01-15, 00:48

The Philippine Government spent P1. 2-billion in advertising trying to convince foreigners that "It's More Fun in the Philippines" and reported that international tourists spent $12 billion visiting the Philippines last year. However, as usual Filipinos always find a way to kill the Golden Goose. The scam where airport security plant bullets in the luggage of unsuspecting travelers then offer them the choice of paying P30,000 extortion money on the spot for their freedom or refuse and pay P80,000 bail after a few nights in a Third World jail has gone viral on social media. The fact that one of their victims is an American Christian missionary and do-gooder unafraid of being martyred to prove his innocence is really causing the news to spread faster and further than it would have had they framed the average aging sex tourist on his way home with a bag full of dildos, dog collars and other perverted sexual knickknacks.

President Aquino is a shrewd politician. He realizes that while Filipinos are generally unsympathetic to the misfortune of foreign tourists, they would rather not be known as the country that persecutes Christian missionaries who refuse to cooperate in extortion attempts by security personnel supposedly there to protect the welfare of citizen and foreign travelers. In an uncharacteristic turn of events he has ordered an immediate investigation into the extortion of travelers at NAIA. Probably the latest kidnapping of foreigners and subsequent evasion of a Philippine naval blockade by local terrorists also added pressure on Malacañang to do something.

It certainly is not more fun in the Philippines for tourists in 2015, so the slogan "Visit the Philippines Again" in 2016 seems like dark twisted humor. Sex tourists are no strangers to extortion schemes like a sweet innocent Filipina planting crystal meth in their room after nice shag followed by a surprise visit from friendly Filipino policemen who seem to be more adept at homing in on the hidden narcotics than most drug canines. Sex tourists are also hardly surprised when they're frantically pumping away at Lucifer's cradle only to be interrupted by a quick knock, the opening of the door by the hotel manager, and the swift entry of friendly policemen who declare that the Filipina entertaining the foreigner is uncertain of her age. These tourists consider such misfortunes par for the course when hunting the gaping dragon in the Philippines.

What they don't expect is being accosted by security personnel at the airport for a P30,000 "poriner departure tax" after they expended their last peso on Gretchin's grabber in Angeles, Cebu, Malate, or Makati for the more well-heeled sex tourist. This surprise P30,000 exit tax may be enough for some mongers to consider Thailand a cheaper and safer alternative. The prospect of some Filipino security official grinning like Lolong the crocodile saying, "Visit the Philippines again!" after extorting P30,000 is enough to make already skittish aspiring visitors consider alternative tourist destinations.

Of course, regulars and entrenched expats will continue to monger on as they have in the past in spite of ever growing dangers. That, however, will not grow tourism or fill the ever expanding inventory of condos and hotel rooms built in anticipation of more foreign tourist dollars. OFWs may be in a poor position to pick up the slack as remittances have recently sagged in tandem with slowing economies abroad.

Dg8787

10-01-15, 12:20

CM well written post. I think the way to counter this, is for all of us to place a dozen or more rubber play bullets in our bags packed so tight that when they open it, the rubber bullets fly out and scatter all over the place. Better yet place confetti in there. Then we would all be in a position to demand a payment! Let's have some fun at it.

If we all did this I could see an end to the P30 k departure tax pretty quickly.

GoodEnough

10-01-15, 14:56

Bullet scam:

Thanks for that important info. Only suggestion I can make is land at Cebu or Clark airports to avoid the Manila scam. Taking pic. You would have to be close up to his hand, they could say taking pics inside airport not allowed etc. We need some response from smart travellers, there might be a way around it. Paying legal fees, being held at Airport for five days, is not an option. Thanks pal.Like RK and WR and other residents here, I (unfortunately) use NAIA frequently as I have no alternative. My only recourse, as I see it, is to buy a new carry-on bag with no outside pockets, and as always to make sure the bag is locked. Of course, as always, keep a vigilant eye in your bag from the moment it leaves your hand, and, in the case of being asked to step over for a quiet conversation, respond by saying:"Sure, just let me get my bag. " Things do appear to be getting worse here for locals and expats alike. If I were a newbie, or even an experienced traveler looking to spend some quality time with nubile young things with as few hassles as possible, I'd sure as hell choose Thailand.

I spent one night this week in Angeles, at ABC as always. I was talking to the owner of the hotel and he told me that business is down somewhat from last year. He attributes the decline to the growing disgust with the airport and the hassles of coping with Manila traffic. He thinks that foreigners are simply fed up and don't want to deal with the horrors of NAIA or the traffic. As a case in point, the distance between the Fairmont in Makati and Angeles is about 92 kms. Yesterday, the trip took approximately 90 minutes, leaving the hotel at about 11 AM. Today, leaving the hotel at 8 AM, we were just in time to catch the paralyzing traffic on EDSA, and the final few kilometers took more than an hour, making the trip about two and a half hours. Who needs the hassle?

GE.

X Man

10-01-15, 15:13

Another intriguing report from CM, which somehow touches on politics, tourism, money, expat, sex, advertising, monger, aging sex tourist (ouch), crime, drugs, Lucifer, danger, corruption, religion, missionaries, taxes, airport security, police, Thailand, crocodiles, sex toys, naval blockades and remittances. Oh, don't forget fun!

What is a "Gretchin's grabber"?

The Philippine Government spent P1. 2-billion in advertising trying to convince foreigners that "It's More Fun in the Philippines" and reported that international tourists spent $12 billion visiting the Philippines last year. However, as usual Filipinos always find a way to kill the Golden Goose. The scam where airport security plant bullets in the luggage of unsuspecting travelers then offer them the choice of paying P30,000 extortion money on the spot for their freedom or refuse and pay P80,000 bail after a few nights in a Third World jail has gone viral on social media. The fact that one of their victims is an American Christian missionary and do-gooder unafraid of being martyred to prove his innocence is really causing the news to spread faster and further than it would have had they framed the average aging sex tourist on his way home with a bag full of dildos, dog collars and other perverted sexual knickknacks.

President Aquino is a shrewd politician. He realizes that while Filipinos are generally unsympathetic to the misfortune of foreign tourists, they would rather not be known as the country that persecutes Christian missionaries who refuse to cooperate in extortion attempts by security personnel supposedly there to protect the welfare of citizen and foreign travelers. In an uncharacteristic turn of events he has ordered an immediate investigation into the extortion of travelers at NAIA. Probably the latest kidnapping of foreigners and subsequent evasion of a Philippine naval blockade by local terrorists also added pressure on Malacaang to do something.

It certainly is not more fun in the Philippines for tourists in 2015, so the slogan "Visit the Philippines Again" in 2016 seems like dark twisted humor. Sex tourists are no strangers to extortion schemes like a sweet innocent Filipina planting crystal meth in their room after nice shag followed by a surprise visit from friendly Filipino policemen who seem to be more adept at homing in on the hidden narcotics than most drug canines. Sex tourists are also hardly surprised when they're frantically pumping away at Lucifer's cradle only to be interrupted by a quick knock, the opening of the door by the hotel manager, and the swift entry of friendly policemen who declare that the Filipina entertaining the foreigner is uncertain of her age. These tourists consider such misfortunes par for the course when hunting the gaping dragon in the Philippines.

What they don't expect is being accosted by security personnel at the airport for a P30,000 "poriner departure tax" after they expended their last peso on Gretchin's grabber in Angeles, Cebu, Malate, or Makati for the more well-heeled sex tourist. This surprise P30,000 exit tax may be enough for some mongers to consider Thailand a cheaper and safer alternative. The prospect of some Filipino security official grinning like Lolong the crocodile saying, "Visit the Philippines again!" after extorting P30,000 is enough to make already skittish aspiring visitors consider alternative tourist destinations.

Of course, regulars and entrenched expats will continue to monger on as they have in the past in spite of ever growing dangers. That, however, will not grow tourism or fill the ever expanding inventory of condos and hotel rooms built in anticipation of more foreign tourist dollars. OFWs may be in a poor position to pick up the slack as remittances have recently sagged in tandem with slowing economies abroad.

Mbsl65

10-01-15, 16:03

GoodEnough

10-01-15, 16:28

It is very unfortunate to see how tourism and tourist handled in Philippines by the government.

Malaysia: Population 30 M / 2014 Tourist: 28.5 M.

Thailand: Population 67 M / 2014 Tourist: 23 M.

Philippines: Population: 99 M / 2014 Tourist: 5 M.

They have no clue of bringing tourist money into the country and host them.Interesting statistics, but I don't think the reasons for this country's almost total failure to attract foreign tourists has much to do with the government having no clue. The fact is that the country's lack of adequate infrastructure, whether in air transport, public transport, road transport, rail transport, IT infrastructure, the lack of reliable electricity and the general inefficiency in the delivery of most services deters tourism. Couple that with the ongoing, intermittent wars in the South, the petty thievery and bureaucratic corruption, and the travel warnings from North A,epicanthic and European governments, and the place doesn't have much to attract most tourists. The government surely is aware of all this and simply doesn't care much. The reason? Because most politicians are only assured of their four years in office, and this means they're only guaranteed a short time during which to steal as much as possible. Rectifying the country's major inadequacies however, is a long-term prospect and politicians here are not interested in the long term. They're focused on stealing as much as possible during a reasonably concentrated period. There's no vision here, and no commitment to public service; there's only a sea of endless venality.

The lack of foreign tourist arrivals parallels the general lack of foreign investment--the lowest in ASEAN--and for many of the same reasons. Those, coupled with the fact that the oligarchs who own the company don't want competition from more efficient, higher quality foreign firms almost ensures that this country will creep ever further toward the bottom of the ASEAN heap.

GE.

Wicked Roger

10-01-15, 20:18

The lack of foreign tourist arrivals parallels the general lack of foreign investment--the lowest in ASEAN--and for many of the same reasons. Those, coupled with the fact that the oligarchs who own the company don't want competition from more efficient, higher quality foreign firms almost ensures that this country will creep ever further toward the bottom of the ASEAN heap.

GE.The lack of investment as GE points out was one reason the Asian Basketball tournament was awarded to China despite the Philippines thinking it was a shoe in to host the next event. Only this country would not see it lack of basic infrastructure to host a major tournament as an obstacle.

Add to this news on the bullet scam at NAIA, more travel advisories against visiting especially since the recent kidnappings in the south plus a host of other stories on blogs about scams etc, I am not surprised that tourism (which should be good source of income and employment) is not booming.

Add to all this what GE noted about the politicians / family dynasties you get the picture.

ASEAN integration is something that will be very difficult (and possibly unwelcome for many of the dynasties). As a result, the country will suffer the consequences for a long time until someone / something is done and I would think it needs to be drastic before the country can rise from its inevitable position at the bottom of the pile.

Wicked Roger

10-01-15, 20:30

Like RK and WR and other residents here, I (unfortunately) use NAIA frequently as I have no alternative. My only recourse, as I see it, is to buy a new carry-on bag with no outside pockets, and as always to make sure the bag is locked.

I spent one night this week in Angeles, at ABC as always. I was talking to the owner of the hotel and he told me that business is down somewhat from last year. He attributes the decline to the growing disgust with the airport and the hassles of coping with Manila traffic. He thinks that foreigners are simply fed up and don't want to deal with the horrors of NAIA or the traffic. As a case in point, the distance between the Fairmont in Makati and Angeles is about 92 kms. Yesterday, the trip took approximately 90 minutes, leaving the hotel at about 11 AM. Today, leaving the hotel at 8 AM, we were just in time to catch the paralyzing traffic on EDSA, and the final few kilometers took more than an hour, making the trip about two and a half hours. Who needs the hassle?

GE.My carry on never has outside pockets as it is a hard shell bag but I am more vigilant now. Although since the expose I am sure there will not be another incident (but it won't stop other scams happening and / or being devised).

Am surprised it only took 90 minutes /2+ hours as I had heard from friends recently where it took more like 4-6 hours as EDSA was a mess (he was staying overnight in Manila so was lucky as he could have easily missed his flight).

I remember coming from Baguio by bus once (yes I do use them once and a blue moon and I had no choice) - and after around 7 hours we ended up in Cubao. To get to Pasay was gong to take around 2 hours due to Friday night traffic, so I got off and found a taxi that was quicker by an hour (the bus had to stop en route hence slower) but it was trip I have never forgotten!

Sxxxx

10-01-15, 22:59

The Philippine Government ..................................

In an uncharacteristic turn of events he has ordered an immediate investigation into the extortion of travelers at NAIA. Probably the latest kidnapping of foreigners and subsequent evasion of a Philippine naval blockade by local terrorists also added pressure on Malacaang to do something.

.............................. P30,000 "poriner departure tax" after they expended their last peso on Gretchin's grabber ........................................

.................Definitely a Gretchin Grabber, Report of Distinction. Mandatory reading folks.

On second reading of the other previous post, noted its Terminal 4 , an Outpost. Nice place for a smiley to try that stunt. No reports of it happening at T1 , 2 and 3 , it seems. Myself, I will avoid Manila airports until I can afford the P30,000 Departure Tax.

Cjetset

10-01-15, 23:26

I couldn't have said it much better myself. You are spot on GE. I've been coming to the Phils for 5 years as we have operations in Manila and recently Cebu. It takes so much red tape and inefficient process to get up and running here (unless you are a large corporation and can bribe but we aren't) that it almost isn't worth it. If it wasn't for the eager to please inexpensive labor pool there would be little reason to set up business here. As for tourism, while many of the islands are beautiful and not as polluted as the cities they are a pain to get to compared to other destinations in Southeast Asia.

Interesting statistics, but I don't think the reasons for this country's almost total failure to attract foreign tourists has much to do with the government having no clue. The fact is that the country's lack of adequate infrastructure, whether in air transport, public transport, road transport, rail transport, IT infrastructure, the lack of reliable electricity and the general inefficiency in the delivery of most services deters tourism. Couple that with the ongoing, intermittent wars in the South, the petty thievery and bureaucratic corruption, and the travel warnings from North A,epicanthic and European governments, and the place doesn't have much to attract most tourists. The government surely is aware of all this and simply doesn't care much. The reason? Because most politicians are only assured of their four years in office, and this means they're only guaranteed a short time during which to steal as much as possible. Rectifying the country's major inadequacies however, is a long-term prospect and politicians here are not interested in the long term. They're focused on stealing as much as possible during a reasonably concentrated period. There's no vision here, and no commitment to public service; there's only a sea of endless venality.

The lack of foreign tourist arrivals parallels the general lack of foreign investment--the lowest in ASEAN--and for many of the same reasons. Those, coupled with the fact that the oligarchs who own the company don't want competition from more efficient, higher quality foreign firms almost ensures that this country will creep ever further toward the bottom of the ASEAN heap.

GE.

MrWoolyBooly

10-02-15, 01:52

Maybe those guys are still young too, mentally I mean....I try to think positive: They have a higher tolerance for mental torture.

There are many intelligent, competent, mature thinking Filipinas, but I think all of us have encountered the following scenario in the Philippines: 1) Meet hot, irresistible Pinay for first time. 2) Persuade hot, irresistible Pinay to have sex with words or whatever works. 3) The moment the volcano erupts, exciting new puki transforms instantly into boring not-new puki (puki is the Tagalog word for penis heaven). 4) Hornyfog clears in seconds and there's a sweaty Pinay lying there and no idea what to with her.

Wooly's practical tips to make the torture more bearable:

- Like cold drink after sweaty sex, and maybe some fresh fruit? "Honey, would you like to bring us some?

- going to take a shower anyway, might as well have her lather, rinse, dry, and deodorize me.

- Point her at the TV while getting some work or reading done. Depending on her intellectual pursuits, try in descending order Pinoy Big Brother, music video channel, Showtime / Eat Bulaga, or cartoons.

- Set her up on your laptop to check her FB and other sites. Even better if you have a logger installed, but either way she'll be busy a while. If you want to risk conversation, have her sit on your lap while checking her FB and ask her about her hot friends, cousins, etc. 3-somes? Open-minded to introducing you? Make mental notes in any case.

- Sometimes, though, you just got to exchange entire sentences with her. Stuck in a taxi, eating together, waiting for checkout, whatever. The snarky advice is to say "avoid this", but what to do if it's too late and there you are stuck with her? I personally start asking questions so simple that any girl can answer but may be useful to me in the future. Who was the prettiest girl (or biggest boobs, or whatever you like) of your classmates, besides you of course? (added for bola-bola, Tagalog word for flattery). (Make mental notes to try contacting in FB). So you have sisters? Cousins? Are they older or younger? Can I see their pictures? (Mental notes about details). What did you like the most that we did in bed? (To improve technique with her or in general). You get the idea. None of this is exciting, but it's possible to get useful info while stuck. A few I've given well-needed classes on every available form of birth control. They've been appreciative and often opened up a lot more about Pinay life they'd never otherwise admit.

Sorry to ramble. Good luck to all.

Pantot

10-02-15, 03:13

I really feel for you guys who live in the phils or are stuck there for periods of time, usually in the financial sector based in Manila specifically Makati. Its a totally different level of concern for all issues than those of us who travel there for strictly pleasure. The airport issue is of particular concern here lately. For those that don't know, there is one giant dysfunctional airfield surrounded by 4 terminals none of which have any formal way of connecting passengers to each other. Its a total free for all.

The bullet scam though widely discuseed here seems to be a scam which has run its course. There are tens of thousands of passengers who pass through the 3 main terminals of NAIA. I am most familiar lately with terminal 2 and 3 lately although I have been through them all over the years.

Terminal 1 was the old international airport and Terminal 2 is and was the exclusive Philipinnes Air airport. Terminal 3 is the new International Airport Plus the new Cebu Pacific Terminal and even has some Phil Air flights. Terminal 4 is the old what they called the Domestic Airport, its a very primitive operation. Its likely deteriorated even further since my last use of it 5 or 6 years ago. Since its purely a domestic airport, there are none of the international regulations associated with its operation.

Was the bullet scam isolated to this decrepit increasingly insignifigant barely used airport? The foriegner detained was in terminal 4. Its infinitesimally unlikely any potential first time or return monger will use Terminal 4 to begin with.

Of course there are random acts of extortion. All should be warned against that and told to brush them off. Native Filipinos are much more in danger of this than tourists.

The main takeaway is to be vigilant with your bags and that the locals, if left unchecked as in terminal 4 can take it to the extreme.

GoodEnough

10-02-15, 05:47

The lack of investment as GE points out was one reason the Asian Basketball tournament was awarded to China despite the Philippines thinking it was a shoe in to host the next event. Only this country would not see it lack of basic infrastructure to host a major tournament as an obstacle.

ASEAN integration is something that will be very difficult (and possibly unwelcome for many of the dynasties). As a result, the country will suffer the consequences for a long time until someone / something is done and I would think it needs to be drastic before the country can rise from its inevitable position at the bottom of the pile.I had forgotten to mention, now that WR has raised the topic of ASEAN integration, the indisputable fact that this country produces almost nothing needed or even wanted by the rest of the world, except bananas and some other fruits. There's virtually no large home-grown manufacturing, not even car assembly plants. There's no large, viable research sector, little in the way of international patents stemming from the country, and therefore little in the way of innovation. Much of the industry here pertains to assembling "stuff" made elsewhere and then transshipped out of here to onward destinations, largely in the West. There is a local cinema industry, but its products are limited to the local markets, and there's a vibrant music scene, but it's dependent on "imported" Western music.

I notice that the current president, contended yesterday or the day before that Filipinos seeking to leave the country do so because they want to see other places, and not because there's so little opportunity for them here. This proves that he's actually a stupid as he appears or is perhaps just delusional. OFWs, as has been well chronicled, live emotionally shattering lives, and leave--not because they want to--but because they chose to suffer the separation anxieties and often indignities as a means of supporting their families. Without the jobs provided by other countries, and the foreign exchange that "remittances" bring to the country, the economy would likely collapse.

GE.

Hutsori

10-02-15, 07:03

Terminal 4 is the old what they called the Domestic Airport, its a very primitive operation. Its likely deteriorated even further since my last use of it 5 or 6 years ago. Since its purely a domestic airport, there are none of the international regulations associated with its operation.
About a year an half ago I flew internationally on AirAsia. I arrived at terminal 3, where I caught the same flight previously, couldn't find my flight, and after asking several people, learnt it was departing from terminal 4, the terminal of AirAsia's domestic flights. I mention this so your reader doesn't believe terminal 4 is exclusively domestic; it's the Philippines after all. Yes, terminal 4 is old and decrepit.

Hutsori

10-02-15, 07:27

It is very unfortunate to see how tourism and tourist handled in Philippines by the government.

Philippines: Population: 99 M / 2014 Tourist: 5 M.

This brings tears to my eyes. Tears of hapenis that is. For a fella to come here the pay off is even better than elsewhere. No argument from me that the country would do better by attracting more tourists, but for purely selfish reasons this low figure doesn't bother me at all. Paradise is one that's unspoilt.

It would be interesting to find a breakdown by nationality of the tourists in the region. I suspect mainland Asia countries benefit because of the ease of overland travel (certainly better infrastructure), the desire of some tourists to see a several countries rather than one, and also many long-term foreign residents doing their visa runs. Moreover, the growth of tourism in the region is largely due to mainland Chinese holiday makers. Lovely people the Chinese, but I for one prefer to avoid any horde that overruns a place.