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White Wolf
06-08-06, 18:20
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Bill Buxton
06-17-06, 14:04
MANILA to Bataan ( ORION)or Bataan(ORION) to Manila.This service is a 45 minute ride in a complete aircon equipped ferry.It also has bathroom and tv and a bar for your convienence.The terminal in Orion has secure parking for those coming from Olongapo or Angelis side,they do not operate in bad weather.The Manila terminal is located across from the cultural center on roxas Blvd.you may call for times of travel at (047) 244-6951/6936
There are also buses available on the Bataan side linking you to subic and Angelis.Van service is also an option for your travel needs.

Olongapo city and subic freeport are nice places to visit if a day or two travel is what you want.

B.B...

Frequent Flier
06-18-06, 04:23
You can now get your peso's thru ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=9742553172&Category=4369

I just found this very interesting. I guess collectors would buy this.

FF

CanContrib
06-19-06, 23:01
That's still the same and almost all ATM's I used include the taglish language option. Actually they have no tagalog option .. which isn't that strange cause many of the words used in the ATM screens don't have a tagalog translation. They have to use english terms to make it work.

Right. & a BPI ATM refreshed my memory the other day as to where I first saw it, which was amusing at the time but just a fact now. :-)

Nightrider1
06-26-06, 00:47
I have been to Phil 6 times now in the last 3 years and it seems like every trip at some point I will get sick with a runny nose, stomach cramps and or diarreaha or as the girls call it LBM. It usually lasts 3 or 4 days and may or may not return during the 30 some days I'm there. I always drink bottled water and eat at decent places ( no street vendors ) Just wondered if any of you other mongers have these problems and if so what do you take? Maybe its just too much sex but I never heard of pussy causing these symptoms.

Bill Buxton
06-26-06, 11:33
Never travel without imodium and whenever you get a drink soda,icetea always get it without ice.The Ice at all or most places micky d's jolly b,any fast food place can get you sick.As far as the cold goes the dirt in the air and too much a/c can contribute to a sore throat.Good thing is most places "drug"stores can give you what you want over the counter.

B.B...

X Man
06-26-06, 12:32
Bill, Could you give us a little more information about this. Maybe I missed an earlier question, but I'm confused about why you gave this information.

If you take the ferry across Manila Bay to Orion (east side of Bataan Peninsula), you are still quite a way from Olongapo. Is there something of interest at Orion, or the nearby capital of Bataan - Balanga? I presume you then take a bus to Olongapo (west side of Bataan Peninsula). Is the bus station near the ferry dock or did you use a taxi?

According to my Lonely Planet 2003, the service is run by Mt. Samat Ferry Express three times a day.


MANILA to Bataan ( ORION)or Bataan(ORION) to Manila.This service is a 45 minute ride in a complete aircon equipped ferry.It also has bathroom and tv and a bar for your convienence.The terminal in Orion has secure parking for those coming from Olongapo or Angelis side,they do not operate in bad weather.The Manila terminal is located across from the cultural center on roxas Blvd.you may call for times of travel at (047) 244-6951/6936
There are also buses available on the Bataan side linking you to subic and Angelis.Van service is also an option for your travel needs.

Olongapo city and subic freeport are nice places to visit if a day or two travel is what you want.

B.B...

GoodEnough
06-26-06, 13:12
I have been to Phil 6 times now in the last 3 years and it seems like every trip at some point I will get sick with a runny nose, stomach cramps and or diarreaha or as the girls call it LBM. It usually lasts 3 or 4 days and may or may not return during the 30 some days I'm there. I always drink bottled water and eat at decent places ( no street vendors ) Just wondered if any of you other mongers have these problems and if so what do you take? Maybe its just too much sex but I never heard of pussy causing these symptoms.
Go to any pharmacy and buy 10 500 mg. tables of generic Ciproflaxin. At the first onset of diarreaha, start to take it and take two per day for five days. It will disappear within hours after taking the first pill. This is a seriously excellent antibiotic and it works wonders.

Darth Sushi
06-26-06, 18:23
I have been to Phil 6 times now in the last 3 years and it seems like every trip at some point I will get sick with a runny nose, stomach cramps and or diarreaha or as the girls call it LBM. It usually lasts 3 or 4 days and may or may not return during the 30 some days I'm there. I always drink bottled water and eat at decent places ( no street vendors ) Just wondered if any of you other mongers have these problems and if so what do you take? Maybe its just too much sex but I never heard of pussy causing these symptoms.By the way, LBM is "lose bowel movement." Unfortunately, I've had it on every visit. One doc told me that warmer climates will produce a higher bacteria count on everything compared to cooler climates. However, even if you do eat at decent places, if you ever seen a local meat market or "palengke," even the FDA will run for the toilet.

CanContrib
06-26-06, 21:47
By the way, LBM is "lose bowl movement." Unfortunately, I've had it on every visit. One doc told me that warmer climates will produce a higher bacteria count on everything compared to cooler climates. I regularily drink "tap water". I rarely pay ridiculous restaurant or worse yet bar prices for "mineral water". I can do that for months on end with absolutely no problem. Then, I can sit at home for a week drinking "safe" "purified water" and wham! LBM! I have however noticed that LBM tends to bite shortly after drinking too much with relatives or barkada. Too much alcohol will do it every time, especially combined with pulpy fruit juice, strangely just the same as back in that cooler climate I used to live in.
However, even if you do eat at decent places, if you ever seen a local meat market or "palengke," even the FDA will run for the toilet.Um, yup! So always make sure whatever you buy, palenke or supermarket, is well cooked! Walang "Steak Tartar" galing palenke, di ba? Sushi and sashimi fish is however a different story since you can't very cook it and call it sushi or sashimi! However, as long as you keep your raw salmon or tuna or whatever on ice on the way home, it won't suffer from a one-hour FX ride home from Baclaran and you shouldn't suffer LBM from it either. Just be observant how the vendor stores it when you're buying, and don't drink too much alcohol that same night, lest your bowels get confused between good and evil.

I think I'll go mix myself some 50/50 local gin & green manga puree now. I keep a supply of Loperamide handy anyway. :-)

Traveler1234
06-26-06, 23:55
Go to any pharmacy and buy 10 500 mg. tables of generic Ciproflaxin. At the first onset of diarreaha, start to take it and take two per day for five days. It will disappear within hours after taking the first pill. This is a seriously excellent antibiotic and it works wonders.

Yes it works and if you do it often enough, might possibly build up resistance...and when you then really need it for something serious, it won't work. Tread lightly when self-medicating.....

Bill Buxton
06-27-06, 02:56
X-MAN thats where the boat comes in it will not go to subic.Go straight to angelis or turn left for olongapo.

Your Choice...

B.B...

Key Master
06-27-06, 07:34
I got sick the very first time I went to the Phillipines. It wasn't bad diahhrea but it stayed with me for like a week. I still don't know what caused it as I am pretty careful where I eat and drink. It went away on it's own. The Immodium didn't seem to help much but I wasn't in real trouble with what I had either. I wonder sometimes about eating lettuce and tomatoes and stuff with sandwiches and burgers as if they wash it with tap water it's probably not a good thing for sensitive stomachs that aren't used to it. I would be careful about taking antibiotics too much if it is not something major as you could become immune to it later and might really need it at another time.

GoodEnough
06-27-06, 10:33
I agree, you should not take the stuff like candy. On the other hand, my gastroenterologist advised me to begin by taking Immodium. He said that if Immodium did not cure the diahhrea I should conclude that I had dysentery and start a course of Cipro. That advice has always worked for me.

GE

Bill Buxton
06-27-06, 11:38
After the immodium tales over get some Zithromax for the "littlefella"if and when he gets a nose bleed...

Yes you can buy this over the counter also.

More pearls from DR,Buxton...

Steve74
06-27-06, 12:09
Go to any pharmacy and buy 10 500 mg. tables of generic Ciproflaxin. At the first onset of diarreaha, start to take it and take two per day for five days. It will disappear within hours after taking the first pill. This is a seriously excellent antibiotic and it works wonders.I've had the same problem both times I've visited the PI. Not sure what causes it either since I am careful to only drink bottled water and pretty careful about what I eat. However, when the problem arose a week or so ago during my visit, I looked on the Internet and found information recommending taking an antibiotic and immodium. I bought some immodium and Ciproflaxin (antibiotic). The Ciproflaxin worked great - within a day, no more problem. From now on when I visit, I'll keep some on hand just in case.

X Man
06-27-06, 15:31
Yes, I understand that Orion is not Olongapo, nor Angeles. Sorry if my post was confusing.

Can you tell us the pros and cons of such a route? What is in Orion? Where did you go after arriving in Orion?

"go straight or turn left" isn't very helpful. Have you actually taken this trip?

X


X-MAN thats where the boat comes in it will not go to subic.Go straight to angelis or turn left for olongapo.

Your Choice...

B.B...

Sun Devil
07-01-06, 17:16
Some MP info I found and will utilize when I go to the PI this coming July:

For the best MP, I would have to say that it is Flight 168 (the MP of Airforce One), especially the “presidential” section which is the floor below the KTV. Nice big rooms. Queen-size bed. They even have aromatherapy stuff. Steam. They used to have Manila Bulletin but lately it has not been consistent. Flight 168 is in the airport road going to Sucat.

Starfleet, which is close by to Flight 168, is also a good MP. Rooms are not as spacious as Flight 168, but its good enough. Starfleet has a Presidential suite where they offer Thai Massage, wherein the attendant bathes you and lathers you with her body. I tried it once and honestly it is an over-rated experience. It was cold, chilly, and I think I got a bad cold right after.

Sylvanus (below Pegasus) sports probably the most number of attractive attendants, many of which are tall, long-legged, slim, with long-hair. My guess is that they are GROs who did not make the cut. The rooms, however, leave much to be desired. Yes they have showers and all the standard condiments, but the place just screams “sleazy” with its worn-out rug and hard matress.

I’ve also been to Skyline once, only to accompany a foreign guest from Singapore. They use the hotel rooms so it does look comfortable, but I ended up waiting in the lobby as I did not find an attendant to my liking.

Others in my list: Palacio Don Pedro, Wilderness, and Goodlife. Palacio is in Makati, near P. Burgos. Wilderness is the MP of Hearbeat KTV and can be found in Quezon Avenue. Goodlife is the MP of Genie KTV and can be found in Sta. Lucia.

Bill Buxton
07-03-06, 02:23
Orion is a small town barrio if getting off the hw going towards Subic you go right at the statue in Bataan ND go straight post it to Orion.It will save you time and traffic if you are staying in olongapo or other local areas.In other words it's just across the bay from Manila.Straight shot.

B.B...

Chocha Monger
07-03-06, 06:20
I got sick the very first time I went to the Phillipines. It wasn't bad diahhrea but it stayed with me for like a week. I still don't know what caused it as I am pretty careful where I eat and drink. It went away on it's own. The Immodium didn't seem to help much but I wasn't in real trouble with what I had either. I wonder sometimes about eating lettuce and tomatoes and stuff with sandwiches and burgers as if they wash it with tap water it's probably not a good thing for sensitive stomachs that aren't used to it. I would be careful about taking antibiotics too much if it is not something major as you could become immune to it later and might really need it at another time.
Never eat uncooked vegetables or greens whether in salads, burgers or sandwiches when in a lesser developed country. They are often grown in night soil (manure) because the local farmers can't afford to use large quantities of inorganic fertilizer. This is good for the environment but bad for you when it comes to avoiding gastrointestinal parasites or Hep A which both cause LBMs.

X Man
07-03-06, 10:00
SunDevil, an excellent post about massage parlors. Good info even though I'm not a mp fan.

Bill Buxton, I love to hear about alternatives!!! Nevertheless, I'm still confused about your post regarding the ferry from Manila to Bataan. Is there a story there somewhere? What are the pros and cons.

x

X Man
07-03-06, 10:10
Unexpectedly, ISG asked me to log in. I'm in east Asia at the moment. I did, and was allowed access with no problem. Which means the password in my head was in fact correct....

A few months ago, in the Philippines, I could not log in. My friend GE in Davao suggested that I was being blocked, but I really thought I had forgotten my password. But, I guess GE is correct.

Has anyone else had problems logging in while in the Philippines?

X

Bill Buxton
07-03-06, 13:27
SunDevil, an excellent post about massage parlors. Good info even though I'm not a mp fan.

Bill Buxton, I love to hear about alternatives!!! Nevertheless, I'm still confused about your post regarding the ferry from Manila to Bataan. Is there a story there somewhere? What are the pros and cons.

x

XMAN :I just wanted you to know about the option rather than to drive and the price is cheeper than a van.

B.B...

Sugoi
07-03-06, 14:05
Unexpectedly, ISG asked me to log in. I'm in east Asia at the moment. I did, and was allowed access with no problem. Which means the password in my head was in fact correct....

A few months ago, in the Philippines, I could not log in. My friend GE in Davao suggested that I was being blocked, but I really thought I had forgotten my password. But, I guess GE is correct.

Has anyone else had problems logging in while in the Philippines?

X

I logged in at a few Internet cafes here in the Philippines with no problem over the last couple of years.

Mahku
07-03-06, 14:14
X Man,

Sometimes I've been in internet places that block ISG. One example is the closest place to the Marco Polo in Davao. I guess they have a program that blocks sites with obvious words like 'sex' in the URL. You can probably get through by logging in with the IPO number (whatever it is, we would have to ask to find out).

Dinghy
07-03-06, 18:59
to find an IP number - go to "computer prompt" (under accessories in the start menu)

type this - ping internationalsexguide.info

209.172.34.102 is the response (works for any DNS named site)

Bill Buxton
07-13-06, 19:11
anything new on the marines accused of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in subic???what a sham this is. the gal was a bar gal.

like i said watch your ass. it is there country.yes a bar girl can get raped but when she has multible people to extract money from thats a real good score.

any intelligence would be forthcoming.

b.b...

X Man
07-14-06, 15:39
I've got mixed feelings about this.

Why was she dumped half naked out of a van?

X

Bill Buxton
07-14-06, 16:19
She was getting serviced on the base in subic and was caught by the base police in the act Inside of a van.The gal had spent 3-4 days with the men accused of the crime.She was from Calapandayan. The driver of the van was a local and forced to lie about the situation.This was later brought out into the media after the smoke cleared.A friend of mine bodyguard for mayor "JAMES (BONG)Gordon" YES BROTHER TO SENATOR RICHARD GORDON, said the charges are a way to get money.He has seen the reports and statements and it's a sham.

See how easy it is to get fucked over in this wonderful place.This is not a bullshit something I heard it is a true case going on now.The boat that they were on sailed out and got underway fast.Local prosecutors want to try the men in court there.They even wanted to keep them in local jails until the trial.The U.S. said they will be secured at the U.S. embassy until further notice.

When the ships get to the base the guys have to stay on base.This meens the local flesh peddlers "gals" in droves go and hang out on the base "FREEPORT".What a show, van loads of gals swarming onto the base to get some "GREEN".

This is just how fast shit can happen if you [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the wrong place.You make a promise over there you better be shore and keep it.

B.B...

Bill Buxton
07-14-06, 16:28
Everything the media has to say about this is bull.They twist the facts like they do everywhere and tell it the way they want.It is a serious case these guys have no chance on a fair outcome over this.

B.B...

Bill Buxton
07-14-06, 16:53
It is a great place to come and yes I would recormend it to all my frends.But like everywhere you have to play nice and think before you act.

I had lots of fun there and met some nice locals.Just be yourself you can get whatever you want here just remember you gotta prove nothing.They all look at us like movie stars and that's the fact jack.

They see white skinn and they see money,thats just how easy it is.Much different than home you can have the one you want no problem.No bula,Just be a gentleman and see how long the line is at your door.

SH, and the others might be right,I was with dickheads in the subic area.They were all trying to prove and do one better than the next guy.Buying and bragging about banka boats and how much cash they got.Just like home,I guess you can't escape the BS where ever you go.


BE HUMBLE, BE NICE;

B.B...

B.B...

Surfer
07-14-06, 23:19
bb: your "this place" post is very appropriate and accurate, but your opinion on the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case makes you look preety out there. just because the alleged victim was a bar girl does not mean she is lying, was asking for it, or is trying to extort money from the soldiers. to me knowledge you have not heard all the evidence, nor have i, so it appears you are assuming the soldiers were set up. i do not know the truth and wonder how you can be so adamant?

i am curious if you know more about the case than the public does, or whether you just assume our soldiers are innocent. i urge you to read up on the conduct of us forces in iraq (including the recent [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and killing of the 15 yo iraqi girl and her parents and 7 year old sister) before passing judgment. or the okinawa incidents that have caused so much hatred (and local pressure on tokyo to ask us to leave). or, going back a bit further, the my lai massacre in vietnam.

if you do have inside information about the case, then i apologize for presuming your reasons for exonerating the soldiers, but i hope you base your judgment on more than merely the status of victim and accused (filipina bargirl vs. us soldiers).

GoodEnough
07-15-06, 02:32
it's extremely difficult to get an accurate picture of the case from the local media here. the only "facts" on which anyone seems to agree is that she was drinking with these guys and got into their van willingly. after that, it's anyone's guess what happened. however, all of the ingredients for disaster were present: young horny guys, plenty of whisky, lovely and available women, and a socio-political atmosphere that makes it easy and tempting to make accusations. i have no idea what actually happened, but i sense from the sensationalism in the papers, that this is not going to come ot well for the american servicemen because a "not guilty" verdict would reinforce that public perception that americans still control the country. the saddest thing for me is that these guys probably are not getting a fair trial.

i don't know if they're guilty of anything but stupidity and bad judgment, or if they actually raped the young women and i don't think anyone will ever know.my best guess is that they will be found guilty and that some kind of a deal will be struck and ultimately, they will wind up back in the states as i doubt seriously that the us military would permit any of its soldiers to spend any time in a prison in the philippines. in a sense, this case speaks to the frailty of a viable "rule of law" here, where virtually all controversial cases become the fodder for media circuses and where the judicial system itself is so corrupt.

on the other hand, the filipino paranoia about american hegemony is not entirely unfounded. for example, about two years ago in davao, an american man checked into a small hotel in the city. he attempted to build some sort of explosive device, made some mistakes in its construction, and blew off one of his own legs and destroyed part of the hotel. these facts do not appear to be in dispute. despite the facts however, "agents of the us government" were allowed to spirit this guy out of the country, thereby circumventing philippines law. the mayor of davao was justifiably furious, and asked whether, had the situation been reversed. filipino authorities would have been permitted to spirit a felon out of the us. there's no doubt at all that this happened, and it merely added to the often ridiculous paranoia about the "power" of the us in the pi.

in a perfect world, the american soliders would be judged impartially, on the basis of evidence, and a fair judgment would be rendered. this ain't gonna happen here, and their guilt or innocence appears less important to the outcome than does the preservation of philippines honor.

what a world.

:d

ge

Bill Buxton
07-15-06, 15:24
ge,

who knows but they would like us to think they are bad guys,wouldnt you say?the media circus is in full swing waiting the outcome on this trial.

only sad thing is people might think if it goes there way anyone can say anything about a foreigner and get away with it??stranger things have happened.

as for me saying a bar gal can't get raped,i never said that at all.just wanting unfamiliar people to know what she is or was and what she was doing.before i came home this gal was in the paper for some anti woman's abuse thing.her pic with a big crowd of people .she might just get poster gal for how to set the trap.

like ge said the courts are corrupt and makes you wonder is it true or not.i would like to take it one further,the corruption starts at the top or bottom and goes both ways.please dont ever loose sight of this ever.

its a great place do what you want.afterwards all you gotta do is pay.

b.b...

Santa
07-16-06, 08:43
Hello friends, I haven't used the philippines thread for a while.

There have been some very angry posts in the Photo Gallery about going bareback, I guess all of you have seen them. Since I don't contribute pictures I'll post my commentary here.

Viral and bacterial infections ARE a very serious problem and we should do what we can to avoid them, and to avoid spreading them.

Attacking other members who say they go bareback is not nice and will not prevent them from doing so. They will either keep their barebacking behaviour a secret or they will attack you back, calling you a "religious fundamentalist" or a "preacher" or something of the kind. Your self-righteous attitude will be viewed with contempt.

So the best we can do is educate ourselves and each other, without getting into fighting words.

For example, I recently heard that 3 to 4 million people now die each year from HIV, resulting in 10 million new orphans every year. Don't know how accurate that is, but yes, a very serious international health problem.

If you like barebacking please don't give me an angry reply, I'm not telling you not to. What you do is your business! But I think the wise thing to do is to avoid the temptation and always wear a condom.

And I hope you have all had your hepatitis shots. Good luck and happy fucking.

Just my point of view.

Hobby Knob
07-16-06, 16:19
If you find a site you want to go to is blocked, go to a proxy site. If you have AOL you can log in and then go to the site.The other option (that I use when traveling) is "eatmoreblueberries" dot com. It is a proxie server. You can then put the url of any site in the box on the site and viola, your in!


X Man,

Sometimes I've been in internet places that block ISG. One example is the closest place to the Marco Polo in Davao. I guess they have a program that blocks sites with obvious words like 'sex' in the URL. You can probably get through by logging in with the IPO number (whatever it is, we would have to ask to find out).

HenryV
07-16-06, 19:52
I have not used my PI phone since January, I will be going back next month. Can someone tell me if I will need a new SIM card, or can I just load up.

Thank you.

Billbo99
07-16-06, 22:13
I am planning on being in AC from the 28th Aug - 10th Sep

From what I have read with the weather web sites I can expect a fair bit of rain and thunder storms.

Please tell me this isn't likely to effect the nightlife ?

Prov1
07-16-06, 22:44
I have not used my PI phone since January, I will be going back next month. Can someone tell me if I will need a new SIM card, or can I just load up.

Thank you.

Nope, your SIM card will work. You just need to re-load.

HenryV
07-17-06, 02:28
Thank you.


Nope, your SIM card will work. You just need to re-load.

Fast Eddie 48
07-17-06, 06:57
I have not used my PI phone since January, I will be going back next month. Can someone tell me if I will need a new SIM card, or can I just load up.

Thank you.

to billpsu

I purchase a Global sim card last dec at Harrison plaza at Malate cost is around 6 usd with 50 free text you can reload min 50 peso at a time if you
don't used the sim card for a 4 month period it will be terminated but not sure
if you can buy a new sim and keep the number .

fast eddie 48

J Boy
07-17-06, 13:28
to billpsu

I purchase a Global sim card last dec at Harrison plaza at Malate cost is around 6 usd with 50 free text you can reload min 50 peso at a time if you
don't used the sim card for a 4 month period it will be terminated but not sure
if you can buy a new sim and keep the number .

fast eddie 48

If they resell your number you can't get it back. Sometimes even though it was expired it has not been reused so they will give it to you. Just go check it out when you get there.

Fast Eddie 48
07-18-06, 16:43
If they resell your number you can't get it back. Sometimes even though it was expired it has not been reused so they will give it to you. Just go check it out when you get there.


TO J BOY

Is no big deal I will just get another next time in PI is so cheap anyway ,I do
have some girl phone number on the sim but don't think I will contact them
again any way .

FAST EDDIE 48

Genuis8
07-18-06, 20:50
it seems that everyone's opinion is based on a partial set of facts .... and start blasting off about being set up / she deserves it, etc. please read the online pi newpapers www.tribune.net.ph

the basic facts are: the raped girl came w/ her sister to subic for a vacation w/ a gi, but financed by the raped girl's boyfriend (another gi) who is abroad. during their nite out, she (victim) met the alleged [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) in a bar, got plastered/drunk, and left (?) with the defendant - witnesses saw him almost bodily carrying her as she was drunk.

the next clear set of facts are: witnesses saw her being dumped from a van by the defendant, her pants around her legs, in physical disarray, and probably in shock/weeping,etc. she claims [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

let me ask the question then: if she was too drunk to give consent (or voice out her disagreement), then the man who has sex with her commits [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). this case has been dragging around the pi courts w/ even the sec of justice at one time stating that they could downgrade the case, which is why there is a lot of local furor of this matter, as the defendant is protected by their vfa visiting forces agreement. that sex occurred between the defendant and victim is established. the only question is: consensual or not.

GoodEnough
07-19-06, 01:27
it seems that everyone's opinion is based on a partial set of facts .... and start blasting off about being set up / she deserves it, etc. please read the online pi newpapers www.tribune.net.ph

the basic facts are: the raped girl came w/ her sister to subic for a vacation w/ a gi, but financed by the raped girl's boyfriend (another gi) who is abroad. during their nite out, she (victim) met the alleged [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) in a bar, got plastered/drunk, and left (?) with the defendant - witnesses saw him almost bodily carrying her as she was drunk.

the next clear set of facts are: witnesses saw her being dumped from a van by the defendant, her pants around her legs, in physical disarray, and probably in shock/weeping,etc. she claims [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

let me ask the question then: if she was too drunk to give consent (or voice out her disagreement), then the man who has sex with her commits [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). this case has been dragging around the pi courts w/ even the sec of justice at one time stating that they could downgrade the case, which is why there is a lot of local furor of this matter, as the defendant is protected by their vfa visiting forces agreement. that sex occurred between the defendant and victim is established. the only question is: consensual or not.

to add to the drama, the prosecution's "star" witness (who had recanted his [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) testimony) yesterday refused to testify in court, claiming his right not to incriminate himself. the [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) victim had tried, unsuccessfully, to have the van driver included in the list of defendents, claiming him as a participant in the whole sordid affair.

remember, that the philippines does not have a jury system, and all cases are tried by judges alone, who are solely responsible for determining guilt or innocence.this makes the outcome of trials more subject to political/public pressure than might be the case elsewhere. i have no idea what the outcome of the trial may be, but given the propensity here to endlessly appeal every verdict, and given the huge hierarchy of courts in which appeals may be lodged, the whole thing may drag on for years.

:d

ge

Hippie
07-19-06, 13:32
OK, guys, sound off with your opinions. I have been to the PI several times over the last couple of years, but only Manila, AC, and Subic. I'll be coming back in August and plan to spend a few days in AC followed by work in Manila and then 4 - 5 days somewhere else. Where do you suggest? I'm in my 40s, overweight, etc. - the typical guy on this board. I would like to learn to scuba dive, so it has to be coastal. I'd also like for there to be other daytime activities, and at least a few bars (regular or naughty) worth hanging out in at night. I'd also like to keep the cost down as much as possible, but that is pretty easy to do in the PI. If necessary, I can bring my own girls from AC, but would like it even better if they are available locally. Thinking of Palawan (Coron), Boracay, Puerta Galera or Cebu, but completely open to suggestions.

Avioneto
07-20-06, 06:36
Hippie,

For the short time that you plan to stay,I would suggest Sabang Beach.It's only around 5 hours from Manila and easy to get to. There are plenty of dive shops, plus 4 bars(go-go type) for some P4P.Not too many freelancers, and the ones available are only 4-5 IMHO.If you find a gem in AC, it wouldn't be a bad idea to bring her along.

Avioneto

Buko Max
07-20-06, 14:25
Hello Hippie,

Try Cebu because it has a combination of things your looking for. You can learn how to dive on Mactan Island (part of metro Cebu)during the day. The numerous bars and MP's will keep you busy at night. The attitude of the people in Cebu seems to be different than Luzon. But if your looking for some peace and quiet, skip Cebu since it is the 2nd largest city in the P.I. If your looking for a low key place, Palawan is the way to go.

Genuis8
07-20-06, 18:45
Remember, that the Philippines does not have a jury system, and all cases are tried by judges alone, who are solely responsible for determining guilt or innocence.This makes the outcome of trials more subject to political/public pressure than might be the case elsewhere. I have no idea what the outcome of the trial may be, but given the propensity here to endlessly appeal every verdict, and given the huge hierarchy of courts in which appeals may be lodged, the whole thing may drag on for years.

:D

GE

Unfortunately for the filipina, the problem is their VFA only allows one year for this case to be resolved. Otherwise, the GI goes free. Knowing this, it should be understandable why the filipinos are pissed off at all the foot dragging, by their govt officials and the GI's attorneys (naturally).

Mahku
07-21-06, 08:28
I'm at Hong Kong airport waiting for my flight to Cebu, getting ready to start my longest stay in the Philippines yet, 2 months or 59 days to be exact. Besides the usual suspects I hope to meet any and all who are on the ground in the country during this time.

Member #3074
07-23-06, 03:42
Is the barfine still P2,000 or has it gone up? Thought I saw a post somewhere the barfine is P4,000 but that doesn't seem right. Heading to Manila then hopefully Puerto Galera for a couple of days but want to check before I go.

Surfer
07-24-06, 22:53
cheap diving schools (cheaper than Mactan and better diving-Mactan has been devastated by dynamite fishing). Ditto for Subic (not as cheap and terrible visibility). No dive school at yet at the Swagman's Pool so I guess AC is out!
Boracay is expensive, diving not too good for beginners especially, and damn rainy this time of year. It is insect season on Palawan and not the ideal place to find girls in any event.

Sabang in Puerto Galera is the other option I would consider (seconding Avioneto's suggestion). In fact, Sabang is so compact your dive school could be next door to the bar where you find company LOL

I like Bohol best of all of these, and it is only 2 hours by hydrofoil from Cebu city (Mactan locations like Shangri La can take an hour driving!).

Chevy 68
07-25-06, 03:56
At Moalboal there are also plenty of sw available to occupy your time when not water diving. Plenty of dirt bikes available, At night plenty of muff diving.

HenryV
07-25-06, 15:25
I will be visiting Cebu next month. Can you provide more information. How to get there from Cebu, places to stay, places to monger, etc.

Thank you.


At Moalboal there are also plenty of sw available to occupy your time when not water diving. Plenty of dirt bikes available, At night plenty of muff diving.

Surfer
07-25-06, 16:26
Been several years since I was in Cebu so Chevy's info is obviously much more current so I'd be interested in his perspective. Perhaps placing it in Cebu folder would be more appropriate than in this thread. Thanks Chevy

Cebu Local
07-26-06, 10:35
I will be visiting Cebu next month. Can you provide more information. How to get there from Cebu, places to stay, places to monger, etc.

Thank you.It is 90 km or about 60 miles from the city via a 3-4 hour road trip.The best places to stay are Ranging from the most expensive Badaian Island Resort for 5 star,then Mid range Quo Vadis Beach Resort,Sunshine Pension House to basic Eva s Kiosk.Monger along the bars of Panagsama beach.Hope this helps

HenryV
07-26-06, 15:32
Thank you.

How about transportation. Should I rent a car, or is there regular bus service?


It is 90 km or about 60 miles from the city via a 3-4 hour road trip.The best places to stay are Ranging from the most expensive Badaian Island Resort for 5 star,then Mid range Quo Vadis Beach Resort,Sunshine Pension House to basic Eva s Kiosk.Monger along the bars of Panagsama beach.Hope this helps

Lorenz
07-27-06, 15:08
Hi,

I'm travelling through the Visayas next August (Boracay, Cebu, Malapascua.)

I'm interested in mongering but also about picking up some western girls (that could be there for tourism & travel).

Do you know if there are a lot of young female tourists there?

Where are the best places for night life and parties?

Thanks a lot!

P.S. Consider that I'm young and quite good looking.

Mookman
07-29-06, 06:55
Everyone,

Where is it a good place to go in the PI with a companion? I want to go to a resort type place and just relax and explore the land. I was looking at Boracay but it seems it's too crowded and hyped up. Any suggestions and places to stay. Someone mentioned Pearl farms in Davao, bohol?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Mook

Chevy 68
07-29-06, 08:10
Mookman,

This island has cold springs and hotsprings, dirt bikes and italian rest. But you will be impressed with the resort nicest on island and pool is wonderful.

Bumbo
07-29-06, 23:05
I'm planning to go to Cagayan de Oro, City. Which dentist do you recommend that is more qualified? How cheap is it comparing to american dentist? What would prices be in US dollars? (give any example) I needed my tooth to be repaired.

I thank you for any good helpful info! thanks!

Cebu Steve
07-30-06, 20:25
Hey Lorenz - I've done a little travelling in the Visayas (although not nearly as much as some posters or even better locals there). 5 trips over the past 2 years.

I assume you are asking about non-Filipina tourist girls (like from Australia or Europe). In Cebu, Dumaguete, and 3 visits to Southern Leyte, rarely saw western girls. Those I did see were in Cebu and Dumaguete. A really hot German girl at a resort in Dumaguete. But all of the lookers were with their husband or gf. No strays in those places. Of course, plenty of beautiful, hot Filipinas.

The one place in the Philippines I've seen a decent number of western looking women was in Boracay. Didn't try to pursue myself, as I had a Filipina gf with me.

Cebu Steve
07-30-06, 20:42
Hey Billpsu - I was in Moalboal this past April.

Two options to get there are private van hire or local shared van (there are also busses, I don't have details on the bus service).

For private van - cost should be around P1600 to P2000. I paid P1800. Will take you and your guest and your luggage door to door (assuming you are heading there from a Cebu hotel). AC, comfortable, will stop for drinks and snacks if you want. If I can find the contact info for the van driver I used, I'll post it or pm it to you. Your hotel can probably recommend a van.

Shared van - from Cebu this is from one of the bus terminals. You can ask at your hotel which terminal you need to go to. Cost is P150 per person and does not include luggage. If you're just bringing duffle bag, probably no extra charge. Suitcase will be charged, up to the cost of a rider (as your suitecase may take up a seat, no space set aside for luggage). I was staying for nearly a week and my gf and I both had small suitcases plus 1 other bag, so cost me P450 for the 2 of us including our stuff for the return trip. Departure from Moalboal is at the corner of the 2 big main roads (I have no clue the names, but Moalboal is a pretty small place, anyone there can tell you where to get the van back to Cebu). Vans line up near the outdoor street market. Fun to travel the local way, but be aware that they really "pack 'em in". A van that would comfortably seat 8 or 9 people will have 12 to 15.

CS

Spam Hog
07-31-06, 13:00
I'm planning to go to Cagayan de Oro, City. Which dentist do you recommend that is more qualified? How cheap is it comparing to american dentist? What would prices be in US dollars? (give any example) I needed my tooth to be repaired.

I thank you for any good helpful info! thanks!


Okay Bumbo, most dentists in the Pi operate at a fraction of what they do in the USA. Im talking like less than $20 to have your tooth pulled. Cleaning and filling are in the P300 to P500 range in Davao, probably the same in CDO city.

My sources tell me that there is a compitant (female) dentist right across the street from "oro-rama" shopping plaza. This is in Barangay Lapasan. Her office is wedged in between the BPI bank and some commercial buildings. She has a sign out front ("Teresa") is all the contact remembers, something like P200 for a cleaning so other services should be just as cheap. So firgure around $10 for what you need.

Good Luck

Spamhog

P.S. sorry I cant be more specific re address phone etc but that is how things are in the Phils, everybody knows the person, where they are but addresses are abstract.

Spam Hog
07-31-06, 13:16
Everyone,

Where is it a good place to go in the PI with a companion? I want to go to a resort type place and just relax and explore the land. I was looking at Boracay but it seems it's too crowded and hyped up. Any suggestions and places to stay. Someone mentioned Pearl farms in Davao, bohol?

Thanks for any suggestions.

Mook


Mook:

I was in Boracay about two months past, I think I posted something about it in other areas thread mid June(?) Personally, I would avoid Boracay even with a companion, and I seriously suggest you bring a companion as mongering was at a bare bones minimum. To me it was expensive, even though off season. I stayed at the cocomangas resort which was sort of quiet but anything you want to do in the way of entertainment is expensive, my angel wanted to ride a jet ski so it was P3800 for a half hour.

I'm going to suggest three places all of which I have visited within the past six months. I also suggest you do bring your own squeeze as local talent is sparse and all the other horney lads around you are like starving wolves due to lack of available poon.

First i suggest you come to Cebu directly, easier to operate and safer. cleaner and cheaper than Manila. From here you can try Moalboal as CL suggests. Not bad, you can go to the north terminal bus station and work it out. Ask a taxi driver to take you to the "van pool" that C.L is talking about.

You have your choice by bus/van of Malapasqua or Bantayan island. Both about 3 hours by A/C bus and less than P100. I particularly recommend Malapasqua as it is VERY economical and quiet, few western tourists, very laid back and very friendly.(Get the Bust to Maya port then private banca tot he island). You can do most of the diving/scuba/fishing stuff one usually does anywhere else but cheaper. Small place you can hike around the island in about an hour (I did).

Second choice is Bohol, Jet boat 2 hrs from Cebu Wharf. Not the mad house Boracay is but a level or two below it. Check out a place called Flower Garden for a good rate, You can explore in land to chocolate hills and a few old churchs, also see the tarsier monkey along with a river boat ride but you have to hire a driver.

Third from Cebu check out tran asia or superferry for their special float to Camiguin island which is near CDO city. Great place, very freidnly people here and plenty to do if you want but laid bakc enough if you don't. U can climb a volcano or snokel the under water grave yard.

regards

Spam hog

Dashing Don
07-31-06, 15:42
Mook, Pearl Farm near Davao is worth a visit. You get there by boat from downtown Davao. It has bungalows on stilts on a private beach. There is a central area with a bar and restaurant, pool etc. They also have diving.

There appeared to be a very limited number of cottages and the place was serene when I daytripped there a few years ago. The facilities are very very nice.

Its quiet and you'll have to bring someone. You will sleep, swim, eat, dive, and bang your girl 'al fresco' if you like, on the private beach. Very relaxing.

Don

GoodEnough
08-01-06, 00:38
Mook, Pearl Farm near Davao is worth a visit. You get there by boat from downtown Davao. It has bungalows on stilts on a private beach. There is a central area with a bar and restaurant, pool etc. They also have diving.

There appeared to be a very limited number of cottages and the place was serene when I daytripped there a few years ago. The facilities are very very nice.

Its quiet and you'll have to bring someone. You will sleep, swim, eat, dive, and bang your girl 'al fresco' if you like, on the private beach. Very relaxing.

Don
The Pearl Farm is as Don described, and it would be an okay sort of place if the prices were not so ridiculous. The last time I checked. double rooms were going for almost $200 a night, and that skews the value:quality ratio to the negative. This is not a very well-equipped resort in the sense that there are no jet skis, or boats or any of the other amenities that you would normally associate with a resort hotel that charges these kinds of prices. The diving is operated by Wind and Wave, a private concession, and costs extra. Finally, the beach is just average. It's not very wide and not very long.

All in all, though it's a nice get away, it doesn't offer much in the way of value for money in my opinion.

:D

GE

Dashing Don
08-01-06, 05:09
Two hundred dollars a night is a little expensive but extra activities like jet skiing etc always cost more, in any resort anywhere. I've never seen a place that includes this stuff in the nightly rate.

I've often wondered why there is little tourism in PI and have reserved judgment because as yet, I haven't been to Boracay which supposedly has great beaches. Within 4 hours of NYC we have fabulous beaches in the Caribbean and truth be told, the beaches that I saw in Bohol (Alona and the other one by the Bohol Beach Resort) had sand that was difficult to walk on. It wasn't grainy as much as 'pebbly'. Balicansig island had sand that was very difficult to walk on because of the pebbles. Pearl Farm's beach was of the same subpar quality that I had seen in Bohol and Sabang, but I put it down to the PI. By now, I assume that the PI doesn't have the same quality of beaches that other places have and that is one of the reasons that there is less tourism there than other places.

Don

Fastpiston
08-01-06, 07:13
Two hundred dollars a night is a little expensive but extra activities like jet skiing etc always cost more, in any resort anywhere. I've never seen a place that includes this stuff in the nightly rate.

I've often wondered why there is little tourism in PI and have reserved judgment because as yet, I haven't been to Boracay which supposedly has great beaches. Within 4 hours of NYC we have fabulous beaches in the Caribbean and truth be told, the beaches that I saw in Bohol (Alona and the other one by the Bohol Beach Resort) had sand that was difficult to walk on. It wasn't grainy as much as 'pebbly'. Balicansig island had sand that was very difficult to walk on because of the pebbles. Pearl Farm's beach was of the same subpar quality that I had seen in Bohol and Sabang, but I put it down to the PI. By now, I assume that the PI doesn't have the same quality of beaches that other places have and that is one of the reasons that there is less tourism there than other places.

Don

Agreed about beaches in Phils. A warning about Boracay beach, I lay on it for 30 minutes and was bitten to hell by sandflies. Had to take medication and had a miserable subsequent 7 days. My doc in Hong Kong even gave me antibiotics to prevent secondary infections...

Bill Buxton
08-04-06, 00:50
Whats the deal with this place?? I have never been there and the Mrs, wants me to go stay there with her.I would like some input on where to stay and what to do in Baguio.My feeling is she wants to keep me away from the bar gals so take the asshole "ME" to the hills.

I am gonna hit the area 4-5 days before she knows I am in town so I can let off some steam with the party gals in Makati.I will then move to another hotel the day before she gets into town.YES PLEASE REMEMBER THEY ALL TALK AND SHE WOULD SURELY FIND OUT I ARRIVED 4-5 DAYS EARLEY.

Also what about CEBU,what about the waterfront in this area.Is this a good choice or can you guys recommend a clean quiet place not to far off the beaten path.

THANKS, PLAY SAFE,

B.B...

Surfer
08-04-06, 01:28
IMHO Baguio is WAY overrated. The main appeal is the chance to escape the oppressive heat and humidity on the coast (and as the passageway to the awesome Halsema highway to Bontoc, Banaue etc.). Their season is more February-May ("hot" season) and it is VERY rainy in Northern Luzon during the other months.

Bohol has superlative SCUBADIVING, but not superlative beaches. Yes Boracay's World Famous White Beach (ranked #1 in the World by many travel magazines) is spectacular, but the PI has LOADS of good beaches. Very few are anywhere near Luzon however (#1 exception is Pagudpud in the VERY far far north of Illocos Norte). Palawan and Mindanao are both LOADED with fine beaches, but they are far from the World of neon lit gogo bars. I have been to several upscale beach resorts in El Nido and Dakak (Dipolog area). ShangriLa beach on Mactan is damn nice if you need to be close to gogo bars (they import the sand, as do Costabella, Maribago and some of the others!)

But great beach resorts also exist for those who do not spend like the Japanese (main customers at Dakak & El Nido), but they are less fancy.
Pururan on Catanduanes (Bicol region) and Lajaonsa (in the Siargao Islands off Surigao City) are two of my favorites. Great places to BRING a girl, not so great for FINDING one (though I did have a half Black, half Filipina (father was US solider) local girl come to my bungalow at night and provide great bb service several times. I will try and scan the pictures as it has been long enough I would not feel funny about posting them here.

Bill Buxton
08-04-06, 01:42
SURFER,

I have been told SIARGAO is great and also beautiful.What is the area sporting In the way of hotels?? What is the average price as you remember and Yes I need aircon.Clean air-con and quiet is what I want this trip me and the wife only no monkey business this trip.Arive Saturday depart for home Sept 28.
Thanks again,

B.B...

Surfer
08-04-06, 01:55
BB: As it has been several years since I have been out there, I am not the best guy to ask about Hotels situation. Costs are VERY reasonable, you can count on that. But it is VERY difficult to get out there requiring a long trip on a banca from Surigao city. Maybe there is a flight by now to General Luna (there was an airstrip up island but no commercial flights)

Most the foreigners going out there are surfers, but the Frenchman who owns (or OWNED back then) Lajanosa is not just for surfers.

Spam Hog
08-04-06, 12:29
Whats the deal with this place?? I have never been there and the Mrs, wants me to go stay there with her.I would like some input on where to stay and what to do in Baguio.My feeling is she wants to keep me away from the bar gals so take the asshole "ME" to the hills.

I am gonna hit the area 4-5 days before she knows I am in town so I can let off some steam with the party gals in Makati.I will then move to another hotel the day before she gets into town.YES PLEASE REMEMBER THEY ALL TALK AND SHE WOULD SURELY FIND OUT I ARRIVED 4-5 DAYS EARLEY.

Also what about CEBU,what about the waterfront in this area.Is this a good choice or can you guys recommend a clean quiet place not to far off the beaten path.

THANKS, PLAY SAFE,

B.B...


Just a few suggestions for B.B. You refer to the "waterfront" and staying near there. I dont know if you mean the waterfront hotel (which is no where near the water) which is IMHO the best place in Cebu the Marriot not withstanding, or if you are asking about a hotel closer to the real waterfront.
I would suggest you disregard the later as the waterfront (wharf) area
in Cebu is a kind of lousy, you might find a short time hotel there but nothing like what you are looking for. I would suggest if you do not wish to stay at the waterfront hotel you look into Regal park business hotel which is DIRECTLY across from Ayala Mall, you can walk to it,not a bad place it runs about P1400 a night for a basic room probably higher for a delux. Also check out the Richmond hotel, prices a bit cheaper, both are within walking distance of Ayala Mall and everything is within a few block of Waterfront hotel and its casino Filipino.

Now if you are interested in Sarigao, you can take the overnight ferry from Cebu to Surigao city, from there you get a jet boat to Dapa Isl/ Sarigao this is the prime sufing area. No taxi's on the island so you have to hire a guy with a motorcycle, he can take you to the "resort" area. Most of these places (two years ago) were owned by foreigners and their local wives. I recall an aussie and an Englishman who had small places with cottages or A/C rooms, wasn't much like P1000 a night.

There was a more sumptious hotel nearby, owned by a Filipino congressman
and something like you'd find in Bohol, but the whole place is VERY isolated and very low key. The surfing season is fast approaching and the place will soon be crawling with drunken Aussie surfers.

Good luck


Spamhog

Surfer
08-04-06, 17:28
The surfing season is fast approaching and the place will soon be crawling with drunken Aussie surfers.

This is the "progress" that I had feared. As Indo got more crowded, more ozzie surfies startinmg coming to the PI (and Siargao in particular) and I am sure the Sari Club bombing and tsunami have only accelerated that. ):

Titmouse
08-05-06, 20:02
On the advice of someone from one of the boards I monitor, I joined Cherry Blossoms near the start of July. I regret I can’t remember who it was or on what board, but the poster’s idea was that he tended to join the board in the months before a visit to SE Asia in order to “qualify” some women to meet when he was there. I thought this sounded like a good way to meet some women who weren’t likely to be hanging around the bars, so I followed the advice. I’m hoping to make a trip to the Philippines in September. I thought readers might find my experiences interesting.

Cherry Blossoms (www.blossoms.com), for those who don’t know, is an e-mail self-introduction service focusing on the Philippines, Thailand and other countries to a much lesser extent. China is pretty well represented, too. Because of the way it works – members contact other members by email or to chat – it is apparently not covered by recent ‘mail-order bride’ legislation. There is no charge except for membership.

In the slightly more than four weeks since I joined, I have been contacted with no effort on my part by 2-6 women per day. In addition, I have contacted quite a few myself, identifying them either by using the site’s search utility or by scanning those who are chatting when I’m online. There are so many riches that it took me a week to begin to evolve a system. I have sent nearly 250 e-mails and received nearly 500. Many of the latter have been “smiles,” which are basically winks from a potentially interested female. I’ve sent a few of them myself but lately I’ve send a brief introductory email instead. I think it’s more likely to receive serious attention.

Now I should mention that I’m nearing 62 years old and about 30 pounds overweight. I’m not ugly, but the years are beginning to show on my face. If I were younger, thinner or better looking, I think I would be deluged with mail. As it is, there are plenty of younger women, especially Filipinas, who don’t seem to give a damn. (I think they really want to get out of there, or at least move up.)

I should also say that I have been pretty honest. My goal in going to the Philippines is not to find a bride but to scout out potential places for retirement. I say in my profile that I’m recovering from a bad relationship and not entirely sure I’m ready for another. That just makes some of them want to mother me.

What I’m trying to say is that I’m not trying to lay a line on the ones I’ve talked to. I’m a good writer and a pretty fair conversationalist, so I come off well, but I don’t lie (much) or pretend (much). If they ask if I’m talking to others, I tell them I am, although I don’t say how many. Frankly, it would be too complicated to maintain lies with so many women. The only way through the maze is to have a simple story and stick to it.

At this point, I wish I’d waited another month or even more before joining. I now have a group of six to twelve good prospects. While I don’t get into talking dirty with them, several had volunteered to be my “guide” when I come and three have been pretty clear what they mean. For example, here’s part of a chat from Sunday morning:

Her: yes ido anything 4 my love
Me: Oh really
Her: yes
Me: I may make you prove that
Her: yes
Me: So you like to make love?
Her: yes y not
Me: Good answer. Why not, indeed
Her: im reallly realy want make love wth u
Me: I'm thinking of things I'd like to do with you
Her: really
Her: love u
Me: You might even like it
Her: yes

Or this, from an email:

“One of my dreams is to see the whole part of my country, and to travel around the world. If you need a tour guide and a companion I am willingly go with you. Please…”

This is my most recent contact:

Me: But you'd guide me, right?
Her: yes
Her: open arms
Me: Just in case I couldn't figure out what to do with a pretty woman?
Her: lol
Me: I'm not THAT old
Her: ok
Her: u mean ur sexually active yet?
Her: excuse for that
Her: ok
Her: just asking.?
Me: There is no excuse for that
Me: except...
Her: ?
Me: Active
Her: o ic
Me: And you, my dear?
Me: Are you old enough?
Her: matured enough
Her: lol

My biggest problem at this point is how to schedule them all. In fact, I can’t. As the date gets closer, I’m going to have to drop a few. These are all in addition to my longtime friend in Angeles City whom I met more than two years ago. She’s pretty much in love with me. I would be in serious trouble if I went to the Philippines and didn’t visit her. I won’t quote her, since she’s not a CB girl, but there is no question what we’ll be doing when I go there.

Many of the women, by the way, prefer to shift out of CB and continue in Yahoo. While there is a webcam utility in CB, I haven’t tested it. Most of those who use webcams seem to prefer Yahoo. I bought one two weeks ago at the insistence of one of the girls and it has been a lot of fun. As a USB device, setup was a no-brainer and it has worked flawlessly. Being able to see the girls and watch their expressions adds a great deal to the experience. On more than one occasion it has also helped me spot that a girl was talking to at least two guys at the same time. I don’t do that and I don’t allow it.

The women who have contacted me can be categorized several ways. First, there are the obvious nos – women who are over 40, overweight, sometimes both. For the purposes of this trip, I’ve also ruled out women who are not in the Philippines, although I occasionally chat with two women from Thailand. I’ve been contacted by several very attractive Chinese women, some in Hong Kong but most from the mainland.

Some of the girls are scammers who want money. One has pictures of two different women in her profile (CB has room for three). In one bad stretch, three out of five new contacts hit me up for money in the first chat. My usual response is that I’m old but not stupid. Some are apologetic and keep talking. Others go away. Either way is fine with me. One girl claimed to be an orphan who lives in a church sanctuary and bathes in the restrooms. It might be true, but her picture is awfully pretty. It’s hard to believe she hasn’t found an alternate way to get money.

Another girl – the first quoted above – has persisted, politely but definitely wanting me to buy her a webcam for home. Since she’s also one of my “volunteers,” I may give in, but I’ll send her the webcam, not the money to buy one. She went to an Internet café (dressed up for me) and it’s the same girl as her Yahoo Messenger picture. She also moved the camera around to make sure I got a good look at her. {Late news: Yesterday she announced that she was relocating to Cebu. I’m glad I didn’t buy a camera for her sister’s computer.)

To reduce the correspondence workload, I’ve generally ignored anyone who doesn’t have a picture and anyone who sends me a “smile” instead of a letter. If they have a hot profile picture and there are no turn-offs in their self-description (“Want God-fearing man to support me and two children”), I sometimes violate my own rules. Some of them are so dang pretty.

Oddly enough, it’s the 18-year-old girls who most often say that age doesn’t matter. I always tell them that it actually does, but that I’m willing to trade a little of my experience for some of their youth. So far, I’m not seriously contemplating hooking up with any of the younger ones. My preferred age is around 25 -- old enough to have some experience. The last thing I want is a “vergen” as one girl described herself.

The hardest part is keeping it all straight. I save copies of both emails and chats, naming them with the girl’s first name, the date, and either “To” or “From.” This works pretty well except that some of the girls have several names and it can get confusing. For example, one girl is Marian but her Yahoo chat name is Marina plus a last name and on CB she has two other names. Sometimes, when I launch a chat, I have to scramble to remember who I’m talking with and what I know about them.

I’ll have an update before I leave. Things have already changed since I started writing this. And, of course, there will be lots more to say after I come back from my September trip. It could be a lot of fun or a real letdown. Since I’ll be traveling to parts of the Philippines that I haven’t seen, it will be interesting scenery even if the girls don’t live up to expectations. I’m pretty sure at least some of them will.

Titmouse

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Pete The Beat
08-06-06, 05:29
Titmouse let me echo your thoughts and report. Last year i followed the same routine, meeting a lot of good looking girls in Filipina Heart and talking and viewing them via the webcam and Yahoo Messenger. same experience with me - lots hit you for money on the first chat, some take longer, say the second or third chat - but the request usually comes sooner or later.

When I travelled to Manila last December I had intentions of hooking up with a couple of them but found it was so easy at LA cafe and just generally picking up at the malls etc that it was easier not to get tied down to one girl cos I was only there for about 9 days.

What has happened since my return has been that I have continued in contact with several of them and when i return again this december i intend to try hooking up with the one girl for a few days, just to see how it goes.

All of my contacts on FH and now also on Cherry Blossoms give their cell no. readily so contact when I get back will be easy.

But you are spot on with your analysis of them having different pics and different names. My advice to all newcomers is take your time - don't go for the first girl who smiles at you - you can't miss out and the choice is staggering! really its only once you've experienced it that you really appreciate it. Good luck!

J Boy
08-06-06, 14:17
Titmouse
I did the same stuff you are doing before my first trip. I found it to be a waste of time. It is too much hassel to get the girls this way. The scheduling, the pretending they aren't screwing you for money. Also they are generally not as good looking as the bar girls - there is a reason they are not working in the bars - too old usually but it could be STDs. Just go to AC and enjoy the barhopping. You get to choose in person from 100s of girls.

Anyway that's my $ .02 worth.

Titmouse
08-06-06, 17:44
J Boy - Thanks. You may be right, but I won't know unless I try it. I've been to Angeles City and will go back this trip to meet a repeater from the last trip whom I expect to take very good care of me. So I won't exactly be dying of lust by the time I head out to other places.

And these girls aren't ugly, not the ones I've talked to online. Not 10s, to be sure, but all are at least solid 8s. The two I haven't chatted might be a surprise, but I will be in cities where I can drop them and go monger, so.

'Mouse

Titmouse
08-07-06, 03:02
When Pete said the choice is staggering, he wasn't exaggerating. Just on Cherry Blossoms, just Filipinas, just age 21-35, just non-smokers, just without children -- I matched with more than 2000 members. Well more than half of them say they don't care about age. It's more than I can get a handle on. I pick one in a hundred to send a note to. And my hands are so full at present that I've quit doing that. I MAY respond to a good first contact note.

This wealth of opportunity is in addition, of course, to all those in the business (which may overlap somewhat with CB) and the many, many, many who are neither in the business nor on CB. Truly staggering.

Maybe I'll be proved wrong, but I don't think the majority of the girls on CB are scammers. Several have made it clear in various ways that they're in tight circumstances, but only two have made direct pitches for money. Most have made a point not to ask for anything. In one case, when I began to hint to one girl that it might be worth it to send her some money to cover online costs, she changed the subject. She was just saying that she could only be on for so long because that's what she could afford.

And I think I can tell the difference. Some of these girls are just so sweet it's hard to explain. Yes, they're all pretty well interested in serious relationships and most would probably jump at an opportunity to go to the US. I don't think I blame them for that. But I'm frank in saying I'm not looking for a wife to bring back to the States. It's more likely I will live there. And that hasn't chased the more interesting (and interested) ones away.

'Mouse

GoodEnough
08-07-06, 10:25
Titmouse:

For a Filipina, living with an expat in the PI is as good as being in the United States, given the standard of living at which many, if not most expatriates live here. They get to live in a nice house. They get to go on vacations and to dine often in restaurants, and they don't have to worry about money.

If you think the choice is staggering in the virtual world, wait until you venture into the real world of the Philippines, where the choices multiply geometrically. In virtual reality, you're only "meeting" a self-selected sample, whereas once you get here and establish contact with the whole universe of possiblities it's really overwhelming.

This is not to denigrate the motivation of these ladies, most of whom have never known freedom from want. From a certain perspective, living here, but at a reasonably high standard is even better for them as they don't have to try to fit in to an alien culture. For us it's better too, since we don't have to try to explain how we were lucky enough to wind up with beautiful women half (or less) our age. It's a win-win situation for all concerned.

:D

GE

Harvey WB
08-07-06, 14:51
I met 40+ CB Chatters in Davao and more elsewhere and only found maybe 2 that (if I had to) that I might classify as scammers. One was already engaged and was trying to cut me out from the pack for her sister, then when that failed, a friend of hers. She really wasn't probably a scammer, just a really good looking chick with an attitude and I did not need that.

The other girls (we went to Jack's Ridge for dinner, 32+ of us, LOL) were making jokes about her "high faluttin" attitude, but she soon dropped from sight.

I know there are some on there (scammers), just use your head (on your shoulders) and you will detect 99% of them; the other 1% can be dealt with in person.

Surfer
08-07-06, 16:47
My take on Cherryblossoms:

1) nobody asked me for $ yet and I have corresponded with a fair number

2) girls with sexy piuctures or suggestive profiles are more likely to be scammers I think, as are girls from Manila or Angeles area

3) I would not rely on it exclusively, but it is nice to have a couple regular girls lined up in each city you plan to visit to supplement the p4p girls

4)I find MANY good girls that are not wild at all; I have not found almost any that look like date for pisos girls, though it may be because I avoid the Manila/Angleles ones

Macro69
08-07-06, 19:07
Hello,

I am going to Manila in at the begining of October for 1 week and I would like to ask how much money should I take with me, as my hotel and flight is payed for it is only the other elements such as meals and the girls. I have read some of the forums but so many diffirent prices as to make me think I will need a gold card.

Thank you in advance.

Surfer
08-07-06, 22:42
bring an ATM card and don't worry about it.

X Man
08-07-06, 23:49
This is how I do it...

No traveler's checks: too much bother
Cash: I generally take quite a bit of cash, but remember that the more you take the more you risk. Most of it stays in the hotel safe deposit box. I change some of it into pesos at the airport so that I have enough for the taxi and the first 24- 48 hours of activity.
Two cards: ATM or credit cards, although ATM cards are probably the cheapest way to go. I keep the two seperate...for example one is always in the hotel safe deposit box.

One time I lost my wallet to a jeepney pick pocket. I took a taxi back to my hotel and told the taxi to wait (I had no money). Opened the hotel safe deposit box which had enough peso to pay for the taxi. Then to the bank where I got a cash advance on my credit card. Back in action in less than one hour.

We'll be looking forward to hearing about your exploits in October.

X Man



Hello,

I am going to Manila in at the begining of October for 1 week and I would like to ask how much money should I take with me, as my hotel and flight is payed for it is only the other elements such as meals and the girls. I have read some of the forums but so many diffirent prices as to make me think I will need a gold card.

Thank you in advance.

Mahku
08-08-06, 08:44
Harvey, you're a brave man. I'd sooner sit in the lion cage at the zoo wearing a side of beef than do what you did.


My take on Cherryblossoms:

1) nobody asked me for $ yet and I have corresponded with a fair number

2) girls with sexy piuctures or suggestive profiles are more likely to be scammers I think, as are girls from Manila or Angeles area

3) I would not rely on it exclusively, but it is nice to have a couple regular girls lined up in each city you plan to visit to supplement the p4p girls

4)I find MANY good girls that are not wild at all; I have not found almost any that look like date for pisos girls, though it may be because I avoid the Manila/Angleles ones

1) Someone asks me for money almost every day I chat but I just shut them down cold.

2) More likely to be scammers bus also more likely to dive into bed with you. It's all fine as long as you don't have your heart set on finding the love of your life.

3) Absolutely. Have several different sources and ways of meeting to guarantee some action. Try to avoid the situation where you've got nothing and you're just trolling the mall looking for anything.

4) There are lots of good girls and I find nothing wrong with the ones that go out on dates but don't come back to my room. I enjoy the quality female company and over time usually even these girls give it up. This trip my 'success' rate so far is about 75%. But we'll see how that holds up as I move to more provincial areas.

Titmouse
08-08-06, 13:50
I think GoodEnough has it right, or at least it matches my expectations. Most of the women would, I think, be only too happy to meet someone who could give them a nice place to live and a comfortable life. Sure, some -- maybe all -- would jump at a chance to move to the US or other 1st World country, but there are advantages to staying closer to home, too. Not the least of which would be lording it over her friends. [grin] If I know women.

I don't really plan to get hooked on this visit, just scouting the territory. If I find a place I like, I can come back after I retire [SOON-SOON-SOON!] and then see what I can turn up. GE and others have made it clear that there is a world of opportunity much larger than the limited subset available on introduction boards.

Have you ever been caught in buyer's remorse -- you know the feeling when you walk down the street with the girl you've rented for the night and pass several others who are stunning and obviously available? I wouldn't want to do that by pulling one from the boards and kicking myself for being too hasty.

X Man
08-08-06, 21:13
I wonder if it's worth the effort to share notes about CB ladies we've dealt with. Besides the hours and hours of chatting, I've met CB girls face to face in Manila, Cebu, CDO and Davao. I've had pretty good luck too.

Harvey, did you meet 40+ face to face? Man, you must be very well known in Davao

BTW, there is a seperate thread just for discussion of online ladies.

X Man



I met 40+ CB Chatters in Davao and more elsewhere and only found maybe 2 that (if I had to) that I might classify as scammers. One was already engaged and was trying to cut me out from the pack for her sister, then when that failed, a friend of hers. She really wasn't probably a scammer, just a really good looking chick with an attitude and I did not need that.

The other girls (we went to Jack's Ridge for dinner, 32+ of us, LOL) were making jokes about her "high faluttin" attitude, but she soon dropped from sight.

I know there are some on there (scammers), just use your head (on your shoulders) and you will detect 99% of them; the other 1% can be dealt with in person.

Holton Cowboy
08-13-06, 03:29
I’ve lived in the Philippines for a total of five years but generally don’t go to bars. I don’t drink or smoke and hate loud music and the general atmosphere.

For one thing, it’s really very easy to get girls for free almost anywhere I go. At the mall, at the market, etc. I’m in my early 70’s but still healthy, straight, strong and attractive. So I have a preference for women in their 30’s and they are really much easier to get into bed right away because a woman in her 30’s in Asia frequently believes that her chance for romance has already passed her by. Of course a woman in her 30’s is only a baby to me. I can also get girls in their early twenty’s almost as easy but find them less satisfying.

I could give a lot of reports on getting freebies but I’m not sure it would interest many here. For one thing I speak fluent Tagalog which makes a big difference in making a quick opening dialogue. But I’ll give just a little on that, just in case. If at the market I’ll select my target then say something in Tagalog like. “the vegetables really look fresh today but can you help me to select some (different kinds of veggies)?” Speaking in Tagalog (which few Caucasians do) gives the impression of permanence which of course is desirable to them, (they all want someone to look after them and provide a comfortable life) and they’ll fall all over themselves rendering assistance after which I’ll invite then for a free lunch. I’ve never had a woman refuse unless she was married. and many, married women even accept. They believe that older white guys are great lovers because that is what they have been told and they ALL know where this is leading. We usually end up having sex at their place or mine, I take the married ones to my place.. I’m reminded of the old country song, “Older Women Make Beautiful Lovers” and it’s true. These ladies were raised to be very submissive to a man and they’ll do anything I ask. After sex, I continue to see them, if they are good in bed, but tell them I’m just not ready for a long term commitment. Which is true. I have two housemaids to take care of things and a morning hard on.


But for the sole purpose of being able to furnish a report here, Last Tuesday night I went to a girly bar in Santa Rosa, Laguna (30 miles south of Manila) called “The Barracks.” It is a Filipino joint with no Caucasians ever going there. I decided in advance to speak only English so as to be able to realize what kind of treatment the average American sex tourist might receive.



I found it to be very clean and neat. It was past 11:00PM but there weren’t very many people there. There were five Filipino men sitting together at a large table drinking beer, but with no women. Of course they were watching me because no white guy was ever seen there before. so I ordered a beer for each @ PhP40 per beer. Then they were all smiles and I understood them, they were telling each other what a nice guy I was. They invited me to join them so I did. Only one of them spoke no English and kept asking the others what I was saying

The place was quite large with a huge raised dance floor and a new dancer every few minutes. But only one dancer at a time. As each dancer came out to dance it soon became clear that they were showing off just for my benefit, as their eyes remained glued to mine. The place had a total of 12 girls on duty that night, being a Tuesday night, it was a slow business night for them. Three of the girls would range from 7 to 9 while the rest were 5 to 7. The Mamasan came over and ask if I wanted a girl to sit with me, so I ask her about the bar fine. She said they didn’t have a bar fine so I assumed that meant the girls couldn’t leave for sex.

I moved to a private table and she sent a girl named Gloria over. Gloria was 19 years old and really beautiful, an easy nine, wearing tight short shorts, bare legs and bare feet which I thought was very sexy. She was very small, perhaps 5feet only and with long black hair down past her ass. She sat on my lap and I began to feel her up. When I shoved my hand inside her shorts I found her pussy was tight and after I played with her pussy for awhile she became very wet and she ask if I wanted to go some place and fuck. I ask how she could do that since there was no bar fine but she assured me that she could go.

I had no intention of paying for pussy but decided to negotiate to determine her price. She started at PhP3,000 and I nearly fell off of my chair laughing. After haggling, she slowly settled on PhP800. I thanked her, gave her a PhP200 tip for sitting with me, bought the Filipino guys another round of beer and left. It’s a different experience from the Manila bars, they made me feel very special.

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Harvey WB
08-13-06, 19:33
Yes, met 32 chatters, face to face and took them all to Jack's Ridge for dinner, along with a couple of Filipino friends. I was a Boy Scout on that trip, was going to propose to my now wife at the end of the month in HK, also knew it would be better to do PFP rather than string anyone along. We still keep in touch with about 12 of the young ladies, now in US, Australia and Europe.

I met others in MNL, Cebu and Negros, but not in a group, LOL.

Great Trip!

Goa Master
08-13-06, 23:36
Hello guy’s I need some help her.

I am somebody that always goes to Thailand but I want to go to the Philippines.

I am on my way to Thailand in about 20 days from now but I want to go to Philippines for 3 or 4 nights where to stay and what to do in the Philippines.
It will be my first time to the Philippines.

What I want to know is:

-What hotels are good in manila?? (I mean no pay extra to take a lady that spends the night).any website the see at is ok.

-Where are the good bars in manila or the good night life?

-Or shut I go to Angeles city for 3 or 4 nights?

-If so what hotels are good in Angeles city?? (I mean no pay extra to take a lady that spends the night). Any website the see at is ok.

-Where are the good bars in Angeles city or the good night life?

-And how to go to Angeles city??(Taxi I know but what to pay)?

-And where to change money in the Philippines?(My money is Euro).

-Are the bars the same as in Thailand?

-Any website to the subject is welcome to me guy’s.

Ok guy’s all help is good to start my first trip to the Philippines ok.

Thanks a lot for the help guy’s and maybe see you there ok if so the first drink is on me ok.

Fastpiston
08-14-06, 07:38
Hello guy’s I need some help her.

I am somebody that always goes to Thailand but I want to go to the Philippines.

I am on my way to Thailand in about 20 days from now but I want to go to Philippines for 3 or 4 nights where to stay and what to do in the Philippines.
It will be my first time to the Philippines.

What I want to know is:

-What hotels are good in manila?? (I mean no pay extra to take a lady that spends the night).any website the see at is ok.

-Where are the good bars in manila or the good night life?

-Or shut I go to Angeles city for 3 or 4 nights?

-If so what hotels are good in Angeles city?? (I mean no pay extra to take a lady that spends the night). Any website the see at is ok.

-Where are the good bars in Angeles city or the good night life?

-And how to go to Angeles city??(Taxi I know but what to pay)?

-And where to change money in the Philippines?(My money is Euro).

-Are the bars the same as in Thailand?

-Any website to the subject is welcome to me guy’s.

Ok guy’s all help is good to start my first trip to the Philippines ok.

Thanks a lot for the help guy’s and maybe see you there ok if so the first drink is on me ok.

May I suggest you check the forum previous postings. ALL you asked for is there in detail. That way you will see many opinions and recommendations easily. I am sure most forum users do not want to see these questions and answers repeated over and over.

Holton Cowboy
08-15-06, 02:43
i’ve been ask in a private message to furnish my technique for getting free filipino pussy.

i may be wrong but i think most guys here just want to find the best looking pussy they can pay for. they don’t have much time and wanna get laid in a hurry.

but if you will have some time here, let me suggest my favorite techniques which is the open air vegetable markets. and it is just so easy. keep in mind that these girls are poor and desperate. they can’t find a man to take care of them because of the poor economy and no available jobs. so when a westerner appears, he is an extremely exciting prospect. but be careful, these girls are submissive and sweet, many are virgins, you may fall in love with them and end up married.

if you are younger than me and that really is to your advantage if you want younger girls. though i’m age 72, i keep my hair and moustache dyed black (with “just-for men“) and since i’m tall, still strong and not wrinkled, i can easily pass for age 50- 55. so it’s not like i look like some doodling old codger. also as i mentioned before, girls believe that an older man is an excellent lover. if you are over 40, you fit the description of an “older man” in their minds, beautiful gals in their 30‘s will fall all over you.. if you’re **** 40, just go for the girls in their 20’s. younger than twenty is possible for this technique, but less probable.

i speak fluent tagalog which does give me an advantage because they seek permanence above all else. but all you have to do is dummy up, ask questions and give the impression that you’re looking for woman to live with you in the u.s.

try this:

1) select your target and make eye contact to let her know you are interested. she may blush and that ‘s good!

2) dummy up - you don’t know anything and desperately need help.

3) you are hungry for fresh vegetables and fruit but everything looks so different to you from what you are accustomed to (and it will).

4) ask her for assistance in making a selection then engage her in conversation.

5) ask her frank questions, “how old are you?” - “are you married?” - “do you have a boyfriend?” - “what kind of music do you like?” (if she has a husband or boyfriend, go no further, just invite her to lunch to see if she is interested, if not start over, with another girl.)

6) laugh and ask her if she’ll prepare you a nice home cooked meal then immediately invite her to lunch at a nearby fast food place like jollibee or mcdonalds.

7)
(a) if she accepts, you’ve got it made. take her to lunch, tell her about yourself, remember she is looking for financial stability, so tell her what you do for a living and that you are single hoping to meet a nice filipina to marry. if she seems interested, ask if you can spend the day together, go to a mall or something, listen to see if she has any ideas. if not, ask if she would go to a movie with you tonight. i usually at this point invite her to my home to sing karaoke and to see my art work (i’m a good singer and an artist and i know this will impress her and/or watch tv but you’re not gonna have those things and an invitation to a hotel room has a different connotation. you wanna move in quickly but not stupidly. take her to a mall, buy her a trinket, or some flowers and or chocolate candy, but don’t be foolish, no more than php100, she doesn’t want a fool, but flowers and chocolates will win any filipina’s heart. try to get her to a private place and start kissing her. suggest she go to the beach with you for a week. i know you know what to do from there.

(b) if she doesn’t accept you lunch invitation, tell her it was so nice to meet her, select another target and start over.

i usually drive my 4x4 mitsubishi diesel van and park nearby. sometimes i meet one so horny we’ll fuck right there in the van - it has very dark tinted windows so no one can see inside, the rear seats are already folded into a comfortable bed and it has dual air con.

oh i almost forgot one important thing. when i lead the subject to sex talk i always let them know i love to eat pussy and make them cum and cum, because while most filipino men think that’s nasty, filipino women just love it!

hope this helps - good luck!!

Fastpiston
08-15-06, 07:44
i’ve been ask in a private message to furnish my technique for getting free filipino pussy.

i may be wrong but i think most guys here just want to find the best looking pussy they can pay for. they don’t have much time and wanna get laid in a hurry.

but if you will have some time here, let me suggest my favorite techniques which is the open air vegetable markets. and it is just so easy. keep in mind that these girls are poor and desperate. they can’t find a man to take care of them because of the poor economy and no available jobs. so when a westerner appears, he is an extremely exciting prospect. but be careful, these girls are submissive and sweet, many are virgins, you may fall in love with them and end up married.

if you are younger than me and that really is to your advantage if you want younger girls. though i’m age 72, i keep my hair and moustache dyed black (with “just-for men“) and since i’m tall, still strong and not wrinkled, i can easily pass for age 50- 55. so it’s not like i look like some doodling old codger. also as i mentioned before, girls believe that an older man is an excellent lover. if you are over 40, you fit the description of an “older man” in their minds, beautiful gals in their 30‘s will fall all over you.. if you’re **** 40, just go for the girls in their 20’s. younger than twenty is possible for this technique, but less probable.

i speak fluent tagalog which does give me an advantage because they seek permanence above all else. but all you have to do is dummy up, ask questions and give the impression that you’re looking for woman to live with you in the u.s.

try this:

1) select your target and make eye contact to let her know you are interested. she may blush and that ‘s good!

2) dummy up - you don’t know anything and desperately need help.

3) you are hungry for fresh vegetables and fruit but everything looks so different to you from what you are accustomed to (and it will).

4) ask her for assistance in making a selection then engage her in conversation.

5) ask her frank questions, “how old are you?” - “are you married?” - “do you have a boyfriend?” - “what kind of music do you like?” (if she has a husband or boyfriend, go no further, just invite her to lunch to see if she is interested, if not start over, with another girl.)

6) laugh and ask her if she’ll prepare you a nice home cooked meal then immediately invite her to lunch at a nearby fast food place like jollibee or mcdonalds.

7)
(a) if she accepts, you’ve got it made. take her to lunch, tell her about yourself, remember she is looking for financial stability, so tell her what you do for a living and that you are single hoping to meet a nice filipina to marry. if she seems interested, ask if you can spend the day together, go to a mall or something, listen to see if she has any ideas. if not, ask if she would go to a movie with you tonight. i usually at this point invite her to my home to sing karaoke and to see my art work (i’m a good singer and an artist and i know this will impress her and/or watch tv but you’re not gonna have those things and an invitation to a hotel room has a different connotation. you wanna move in quickly but not stupidly. take her to a mall, buy her a trinket, or some flowers and or chocolate candy, but don’t be foolish, no more than php100, she doesn’t want a fool, but flowers and chocolates will win any filipina’s heart. try to get her to a private place and start kissing her. suggest she go to the beach with you for a week. i know you know what to do from there.

(b) if she doesn’t accept you lunch invitation, tell her it was so nice to meet her, select another target and start over.

i usually drive my 4x4 mitsubishi diesel van and park nearby. sometimes i meet one so horny we’ll fuck right there in the van - it has very dark tinted windows so no one can see inside, the rear seats are already folded into a comfortable bed and it has dual air con.

oh i almost forgot one important thing. when i lead the subject to sex talk i always let them know i love to eat pussy and make them cum and cum, because while most filipino men think that’s nasty, filipino women just love it!

hope this helps - good luck!!

i am going to go out now and buy myself a 4x4 mitsubishi diesel van with dark windows. an truly excellent post. you are the professor. one thing, i always tell the girls after connection is made that i am a very naughty boy (i am over 50), they love that.

X Man
08-15-06, 09:41
The first thing I want to say about Holton's excellent post, and FastP reply is that it's great to get the proper persepective. Getting an age focuses everything. In fact, if you're too young, you might as well not come to the Philippines. There are plenty of young guys here and most of the ladies know how your hormones work. Sperm back up into the brain and and such.

I have to reply to these posts...later

X man

Surfer
08-15-06, 13:31
You sure have become wise during your 70+ years LOL!

So glad you did not let the fearsome threesome (though now down to 2 as Prov was banned) drive you off the board cowboy. You add such a unique perspective that losing you would be a tragic loss for ISG.

I understand a fair bit of Tagalog, not like you of course, and it is so fun to NOT let on because Filipinos assume whites don't understand tagalog so you can hear what people are saying about you. (:

Holton Cowboy
08-15-06, 16:25
I’ll just pass this along for whomever may need it. For me, age, diabetes and high blood pressure medications have taken their toll over the years requiring something to combat erectile dysfunction otherwise known as limp dick. Up until two years ago I was using Viagra and though I can buy it cheaper here than back home, it was relatively expensive. A 100mg tablet always caused “blue vision” and sometimes made me feel like shit. Worse yet, sometimes it was fake and didn’t work at critical times even though purchased at a regular drug store.

A Filipino told me of an ancient Chinese herbal remedy, no chemicals, it is truly made up of herbs. I was skeptical but tried it anyway. I’ve used it ever since. No chemicals, no blue vision and it has me rock hard and ready to go in about 20 minutes. The affect last 8 to 10 hours. It is called “Honeymoon Tea” and it’s cheap and readily available at any Mercury Drug store. Mercury Drug stores, the country’s largest chain, are located almost everywhere you’re likely to be. The cost is only PhP 94 per packet (a single dose). It is in powder form and I stir it into a half cup of warm liquid (usually coffee). The taste is just tolerable. Needless to say, I keep plenty on hand. I buy a box of 30 at a time but you can buy a single packet just as well. Since there are no chemicals, I feel comfortable in taking more than one dose per day since fucking is my favorite past-time. My two horny housemaids wake me up every morning with a fresh mixture. Ahhh such is life!

It is manufactured in Hong Kong and I’ve never had a problem with fakes.

Slick1
08-15-06, 16:28
Surfer, unless you are simply nothing more than an instigating little ***** you could have easily responded to H Cowboys posts without trying to reignite one of your more recent flame wars. Additionally, while you are free to express your opinion that the targeting of desperate women with promises of marriage and a happy meal at Mickey D's amounts to some valuable "unique perspective", I find it deplorable and pathetic. But that is just my opinion.

Surfer
08-15-06, 17:46
Slick: While this is your first post in the phillippines, and while I note you have been personal friends with Cowboy's primary antagonist for well over two years, you certainly have the right to your opinion. My point was to make Cowboy feel reassured he would not be viciously slandered again merely for expressing his opinions. I urge you to look in the fight club section to see the disgraceful way your friend Don started a flame war against cowboy for no reason.

I never saw the part of Cowboy's post suggesting making false promises of marriage to seduce any "desperate" girls and agree with you that is not cool. Perhaps you could point out where he said that.

We already get the perspective from those that prefer neon lit gogo bars in Manila, and isn't the purpose of the forum gathering of information from divergent sources so the reader can consider ALL of his options?

Finally, I looked back at your posting history and note you have contributed good material on my beloved Colombia (which we both first visited in the same month) as well as on Argentina. Peace.

Guinness
08-15-06, 18:07
Surfer, unless you are simply nothing more than an instigating little ***** you could have easily responded to H Cowboys posts without trying to reignite one of your more recent flame wars. Additionally, while you are free to express your opinion that the targeting of desperate women with promises of marriage and a happy meal at Mickey D's amounts to some valuable "unique perspective", I find it deplorable and pathetic. But that is just my opinion.

I agree with you, taking advantage of desperate girls and giving them false hopes of financial stability and marriage, just to get in their pants for free, is not right. To think that some of the victims are virgins makes it even more deplorable. IMHO.

Guinness

Cebu Local
08-15-06, 23:32
I’ll just pass this along for whomever may need it. For me, age, diabetes and high blood pressure medications have taken their toll over the years requiring something to combat erectile dysfunction otherwise known as limp dick. Up until two years ago I was using Viagra and though I can buy it cheaper here than back home, it was relatively expensive. A 100mg tablet always caused “blue vision” and sometimes made me feel like shit. Worse yet, sometimes it was fake and didn’t work at critical times even though purchased at a regular drug store.

A Filipino told me of an ancient Chinese herbal remedy, no chemicals, it is truly made up of herbs. I was skeptical but tried it anyway. I’ve used it ever since. No chemicals, no blue vision and it has me rock hard and ready to go in about 20 minutes. The affect last 8 to 10 hours. It is called “Honeymoon Tea” and it’s cheap and readily available at any Mercury Drug store. Mercury Drug stores, the country’s largest chain, are located almost everywhere you’re likely to be. The cost is only PhP 94 per packet (a single dose). It is in powder form and I stir it into a half cup of warm liquid (usually coffee). The taste is just tolerable. Needless to say, I keep plenty on hand. I buy a box of 30 at a time but you can buy a single packet just as well. Since there are no chemicals, I feel comfortable in taking more than one dose per day since fucking is my favorite past-time. My two horny housemaids wake me up every morning with a fresh mixture. Ahhh such is life!

It is manufactured in Hong Kong and I’ve never had a problem with fakes.
I can confirm it works however there is a warning that people with high blood pressure and Heart conditions should not take it.It has the same effect as Viagra without many of the side effects.Cheers

Cebu Local
08-15-06, 23:37
i’ve been ask in a private message to furnish my technique for getting free filipino pussy.

i may be wrong but i think most guys here just want to find the best looking pussy they can pay for. they don’t have much time and wanna get laid in a hurry.

but if you will have some time here, let me suggest my favorite techniques which is the open air vegetable markets. and it is just so easy. keep in mind that these girls are poor and desperate. they can’t find a man to take care of them because of the poor economy and no available jobs. so when a westerner appears, he is an extremely exciting prospect. but be careful, these girls are submissive and sweet, many are virgins, you may fall in love with them and end up married.

if you are younger than me and that really is to your advantage if you want younger girls. though i’m age 72, i keep my hair and moustache dyed black (with “just-for men“) and since i’m tall, still strong and not wrinkled, i can easily pass for age 50- 55. so it’s not like i look like some doodling old codger. also as i mentioned before, girls believe that an older man is an excellent lover. if you are over 40, you fit the description of an “older man” in their minds, beautiful gals in their 30‘s will fall all over you.. if you’re **** 40, just go for the girls in their 20’s. younger than twenty is possible for this technique, but less probable.

7)
(a) if she accepts, you’ve got it made. take her to lunch, tell her about yourself, remember she is looking for financial stability, so tell her what you do for a living and that you are single hoping to meet a nice filipina to marry. if she seems interested, ask if you can spend the day together, go to a mall or something, listen to see if she has any ideas. if not, ask if she would go to a movie with you tonight. i usually at this point invite her to my home to sing karaoke and to see my art work (i’m a good singer and an artist and i know this will impress her and/or watch tv but you’re not gonna have those things and an invitation to a hotel room has a different connotation. you wanna move in quickly but not stupidly. take her to a mall, buy her a trinket, or some flowers and or chocolate candy, but don’t be foolish, no more than php100, she doesn’t want a fool, but flowers and chocolates will win any filipina’s heart. try to get her to a private place and start kissing her. suggest she go to the beach with you for a week. i know you know what to do from there.

here it is surfer and i agree that offering the prospect of marraige to seduce desperate poor virgins is deplorable.however we have to respect each persons "hunting" style no matter how one personally feels about it.there is room for for diversity of opinion and style.just my 2 centavos opinion

Holton Cowboy
08-16-06, 01:22
There is no call for derogatory remarks about my report on obtaining free pussy. There can be NO MORAL HIGH GROUND for this subject whether one leads a girl to think he may marry her or encourages young girls to continue prostitution with cash. One is as bad as another, if one is deplorable, then so is the other.

Let’s try to keep in mind that the reason we are here is to exchange information on HOW to get pussy without criticizing each others methods. I didn’t wish to stir up those who love to flame. Actually, I wrote the report at the request of another member. I tried to send it to him by private message first, but it was too long for the ISG mail system so I subsequently posted it as a report at his request.

Thanks Jackson for implementing the “no crosstalk rule.” We don’t need another “Philippine Fight Club!”

Cebu Local
08-16-06, 02:45
I just got of the phone with my friend who is an Assistant City Prosecutor and He confirmed that the act of obtaining the virginity of a girl below the age of 21 through misrepresentation of promises of marraige etc is a FELONY punishable by a fine or imprisonment of not more then 2 years under the crime of Seduction.So whatever your personal opinion of the matter,it is ILLEGAL and a FELONY to use that method.Just stating the PHILIPPINE PENAL LAW

Holton Cowboy
08-16-06, 05:25
so now we go from a moral to a legal argument. personally i see no point in this. what is it with these people?

i see no conflict with philippine law in my report in as much as i target those only above the age of 21.

also as far as age is concerned, my report stated, “beautiful gals in their 30‘s will fall all over you.. if you’re **** 40, just go for the girls in their 20’s” there was no suggestion to target women below age 21.

as stated in my report, my preference is women in their 30’s. therefore my opinion is proven to be legal. making the sought after opinion a moot point in itself.

however, while pointing out laws and if we are going to start searching and relying on legal opinions, one might confirm that prostitution itself is blatantly illegal in the philippines. perhaps the seeker of such legal opinions might do well to determines the punishment for pursuing prostitution in the philippines. if you wish i can do it for you, i know a whole battery of filipino lawyers, including a judge and three prosecutors.

ever visted bilibad prison? i have and it is not a nice place.

Bloveld
08-16-06, 07:58
Does this mean that the internet dating and mail order bride scene for the Philippines is immoral. Isnt internet dating illegal in the Philippines, as in agencies cant be based there?

Isnt it all about the unfortunate economic circumstances there, making the girls look to countries with higher standards of living?

What about the morality of the girls giving up their virginity and having sex with the goal being to get with a wealthy guy?

But of course being moral is a lot easier with a full stomach and a roof over your head.

GoodEnough
08-16-06, 08:37
I congratulate Holton on some fine reporting. The one thing that stands out, for me, is the need to initiate conversation/first contact yourself. I've said often in this forum that Davao, where I live, is one of the easiest cities in the world in which to meet "normal" women. Yet many of the guys who come here leave disappointed in not having met any. The reason for this (at least as I see it) is that they fail to start a conversation on any pretext at all. It only gets easy once the ice is broken, but you have to have the balls to break it in the first place.

I've observed that a lot of guys wait for women to make the first move. Most of these guys are still waiting.Whether you ask a woman whom you find attractive to help you pick out veggies, or ask her opinion about what color shirt you shouild buy or simply ask her for the name of a decent restaurant, doesn't matter. What does matter is giving her a pretext for talking to you. Sure, you will get shot down some of the time, even in the PI, but not very often.

:D

GE

Cebu Local
08-16-06, 11:48
so now we go from a moral to a legal argument. personally i see no point in this. what is it with these people?

i see no conflict with philippine law in my report in as much as i target those only above the age of 21.

also as far as age is concerned, my report stated, “beautiful gals in their 30‘s will fall all over you.. if you’re **** 40, just go for the girls in their 20’s” there was no suggestion to target women below age 21.

as stated in my report, my preference is women in their 30’s. therefore my opinion is proven to be legal. making the sought after opinion a moot point in itself.

however, while pointing out laws and if we are going to start searching and relying on legal opinions, one might confirm that prostitution itself is blatantly illegal in the philippines. perhaps the seeker of such legal opinions might do well to determines the punishment for pursuing prostitution in the philippines. if you wish i can do it for you, i know a whole battery of filipino lawyers, including a judge and three prosecutors.

ever visted bilibad prison? i have and it is not a nice place.i was in no way suggesting that holton cowboy is breaking the law,i was doing a public service notice that some people might not be aware that you may get into trouble if you do this.i dont believe in preaching or moralizing my opinions on others,i just pointed out an obscure philippine law.i have a friend who got into trouble with his 19 yo penpal he broke in.when he broke up with her,her cop uncle arrested her using this law and he had to give them 15,000 pesos to drop the case.i in no way intend to start any flame wars and apologize to any party offended.ok cl out

Spam Hog
08-16-06, 14:36
First off gentlemen be CAREFUL of any concoction you buy over the counter in the Philippines at mercury drug or any other Pharmacy. Remember there is no such thing as an FDA here and many drugs which are controlled substances in western countries are sold over the counter here. The current hoopla over the so called chinese diet pills are a great example, there are phenmetrazine based and highly addicitve, one of the most damaging drugs one can take.

The spamhog perfers "natures viagra" vs pills of any sort I.E.

Take PLENTY of vitamins especially centrum silver for men and double up on vitamin E, this will increase your testosterone level.

Cut back on your alcohol intake and cigarettes (most guys do the opposite when here and wonder why they can't raise wood the second time around)

Watch your diet and avoid the fried dishes Filipinos love, watch your salt intake and don't over do it, raises your BP. You might even try to lose weight

Exercise, you don't have to go at it like an olympic athlete but try to get out and walk around a bit if that's all you can do. Remember, if you are not used to it, the heat here can be a killer and you can dehydrate, most Hotels of any decent sort have a gym, airconditioned, try going there if you find yourself bored.

I will tell you guys my secret, in addition to the overdose of Vitamin E, I drink a cup of Korean ginsing tea every day, it will work wonders on your willy.

Re getting charged for seducing virgins and any other such violations of the law concerning females. Remember technically a female is under the control of her family (parents) until age 24, thats why you need a permission slip from Mom and dad to marry if shes 23.

ASIDE : I can't for the life of me understand what some of the brethern want with a virgin. Give me a sexualy experienced woman any day.

Of course you can be arrested here for just about anything. IF SOMEBODY REALLY WANTS YOUR ASS THEY CAN CHARGE YOU WITH ANY DAMN THING THEY CAN COME UP WITH. There are some laws on the books that would be laughed out of existance if applied to a filipino but can be enforced with particular relish and enthusiasm towards an offending foreigner coz they want to vaccum your pockets, be prepared to fork over pesos to get your butt out of a jam and hope the other sides honors their part of the "bargain".

Ever hear of "concubinage"???? well having a live in partner is just that. Your wife can also charge you with "adultery" here and arrest you and the bar girl you BF'd ;last night. I know of these laws being enforced on certain foreigners by irate wives or jilted GF's however no one would use them against
a filipino, especially the rich and powerful who keep whole stables of mistrisses.

Spam hog

Holton Cowboy
08-17-06, 05:19
An excellent report from Spam Hog. He makes many good points. I have been using Honeymoon Tea for two years with no side effect at all. Perhaps I should point out that I drink no alcohol nor do I smoke. I also take multi-vitamins, as well as large doses of vitamins E and C every day. My diet largely consists of Rice and vegetables, none of which are fried.

I am diabetic and suffer high blood pressure but it is all controlled. I check my blood pressure at least 4 times each day and it remains like that of a teenager 120/60. It may surprise some that the Filipino Doctors have far exceeded the American Doctors who were unable to control either before I came to the Philippines. My cholesterol, Tryglcerides, blood glucoses and blood pressure are all within healthy range. I only wish I’d been this well at age 50.

I’m not promoting the use of Honeymoon HerbalTea. I’m just passing along information and personal experience which others may or may not choose to explore.

Here are the actual ingredients for Honeymoon HerbalTea contained within each packet. I’ll let others decide for themselves if it might be harmful to them. I can only relate that it has been good for me, I take it every day and at times, 2 to sometimes 3 times each day with no problems. It’s cheap and very available and works amazingly well. I can fuck now as good as when I was age 20.

Ingredients for Honeymoon Herbal Tea


Herbs Epimedu……………….0.525kg
Herbs Cynomoru…………….0.525kg
Woodwardia Japonica…… 0.500g
Fructua Polygacia………… 0.475g
Yang Gong Cao……………..0.425g
Radix Polygacia……………..0.475g
Semen AstragaliComplanti…0.400g
Radix Ginseng……………… 0.400g
Pilose Antler………………… .0.325g

Titmouse
08-20-06, 01:38
It's four weeks and counting for my trip to the Philippines. I thought I would update the situation.

As a recap for those who didn't read my earlier note, I decided this trip to see what could be done via an online introduction board. I chose Cherry Blossoms (www.blossoms.com) about a month ago. Since then I've been writing to or chatting with a number of girls. Now, a month before the trip, I'm down to five and taking no new applicants. Five girls in two weeks is plenty for this old man.

It's fair to say I'm no supermonger. On two previous trips to the Philippines and Thailand, I've pulled my share from the bars and discos and generally had a good time, but I haven't set any records. Now that I'm in my 60s, I thought it might be fun to experiment with a kinder, gentler ride. Like moving up from a Camaro to a Buick, if you know what I mean.

As things have progressed, I admit to some misgivings. I dropped two girls that seemed most ready to play because they were just too money-hungry, and that's not counting a couple that I didn't even get into it with because they were obviously in the business as opposed to needy. But that leaves me with my five pretty nice girls, all attractive, all at least a little in love with me. I'm going to break at least four hearts, maybe all five. Or so my ego assures me.

That's the advantage of dealing with professionals, I guess. No pain, just business. I'm going to have to be a bit of a cad. Either that or a polygamist. All of this assumes I'm not being deluded, of course. But I'm not entirely stupid, and I don't think so. So here's the cast for my mid-September play. All names are false.

1. Lina (Manila)

Until a couple of days ago, I thought Lina had slipped off the hook. She was one of the first I met but not a voluminous correspondent. She offered to be my tour guide about the second e-mail. But when we discussed taking a trip to Tagaytay and I asked (facetiously, I thought) whether I should reserve one room or two, she said "Well, since you ask, two rooms, please." Bummer.

I wrote back saying I was disappointed and that I had just kind of assumed we were going to spend a fun, sexy trip together. Now what?, I asked. After a pause, she wrote back to say one room would be just fine. So we're back on. Lina said that, having never met, she couldn't guarantee anything but she would try very hard to see that I wasn't disappointed again. Latest word is that she's excited with my hotel selection in Tagaytay and has agreed to meet me at my hotel in Manila the night before we'd leave, bringing her suitcase. I'd say we'll be in bed before we leave on the trip as long as I don't blow it.

Speaking of blowing it, that's one of my biggest reservations about this amateur trip. Somehow I doubt they'll be the kind of girl to gobble on the first date. Or the second. Training would be required, and I don't have that much time.

2. Melissa (Angeles City)

Melissa is really in a different category, as she is a pro. We met nearly two years ago on my first trip to the Philippines. At the time, she was a dancer at Brown Sugar. Now she's a door girl at another bar. We've kept in touch, off and on, since I was there. I sent her a pair of earrings that I bought in Thailand after I left. She might be playing me, but I don't think so. She has never asked for anything except that I not butterfly in front of her in Angeles. That seems fair.

Melissa is in love with me, I'm pretty sure. She doesn't exactly say it, because she doesn't think I'm going to swoop down and carry her away. But she's really looking forward to seeing me again, and our lovemaking will be just that. And if I offered, she'd jump at the chance to get out of the life. But I won't, even though it's tempting, because I don't think you can cure a bar girl after several years in the business.

3. Fannie (Cebu)

Fannie is living in Ozamiz City (Mindanao) with her folks and will come to meet me in Cebu by ferry. I'll pay for the trip and a room for her and her cousin. She is the youngest (20), least experienced and most traditional of the girls. She admits to having "slipped" with her first boyfriend "when she was young" but can't make up her mind what she will do with me. On the other hand, she has made her cousin promise to stay in her room and made it clear that nearly anything else is possible and probable. Hmmm. I wonder how far I can push THAT?

I'm pretty sure I can get Fannie if I want to. The pot is simmering and ready to boil if I turn up the heat. I sent her a romantic, sexy poem that went down very well. On the other hand, I'm not sure I want to have her, as it would be the most serious betrayal of the trip. After Lina and Melissa, this old body may need a two-day break. Maybe we'll just fool around and I'll use the non-satisfaction of my manly needs as an excuse to break it off. Devious shit, ain't I?

In the past week, Fannie and I have made contact via weblog (always a dangerous moment) and passed with flying colors. She's maybe not quite as pretty as I first thought, but she more than makes up for it in personality.

4. Georgina (Zamboanga)

Xena, as I call her, has been pretty clearly in the "Hurry up and get here so we can bonk" column for some time. I started calling her Xena because the first time we chatted, she had her knees up in front of her chest. In the webcam it looked like a breastplate.

We talk almost daily by webcam, and she has a great smile. She thinks I'm funny, which I am. She's a tiny little girl of 5'1" and we were joking about my size -- 6' and 200 pounds. I told her she'd have to be on top to keep from getting crushed. "Hehehehe" she said. It wasn't the first time she has indirectly indicated she's ready to roll over.

I don't get too explicit with any of these girls, you understand. While I'm sometimes pretty suggestive, it's in reasonably good taste. No bad words, no bald statements. These girls are not the kind to talk about it. But they don't seem to mind the hints, and don't mind hinting back. Could I be misunderstanding any of them? Well, it's possible of course. None of them, not even Melissa, is going to come right out and say they want to f*ck me or will let me f*ck them. But I'm an old guy who's had a lot of experience. I pretty well know where they are. I could mess it up, but otherwise I expect they will deliver eagerly.

Xena has already said she's in love with me and has understood that I won't say that back to her, not yet. We haven't even really met, I point out, and I won't lie to her. Like all of them, she's a sucker for honesty. She dropped an Australian guy who was my closest competition because "hes a lier." We're going to a family picnic the day I arrive but she says we don't have to stay long. I'd bet we'll be in bed an hour later. She's the most desperate of the girls and I'm sure she wants to nail me down. But I'll do the nailing.

Out last contact wasn't so good. I cut it off to chat with Fannie, pretending it was a computer problem. Xena has been having a string of bad luck -- some family problems she won't discuss, a good friend injured in a car wreck, and the loss of her cellphone. She isn't asking me for any help, but the endless discussion of her upsets are not my favorite thing. I sure hope this works out as I'm committed to Zamboanga, and I don't know if there's anything else to do there if we don't click. Worth the risk, I think.

5. Marisol (Davao)

This girl is maybe the sweetest of them all -- the best mix of looks, attitude, experience and interest. On one hand, I'm glad she's last. On the other hand, I hope I have something left by the time I get to her. She's actually from pineapple country north of Davao and will come down by bus to meet me. She has a son but will leave him with relatives. She'll also come with her best friend who was her translator at first. But now she's writing to me directly. That's because of what we're talking about. And because I complained: "It's as if I kissed your friend and then she kissed you," I said. "Not the same thing at all." Bye-bye friend.

But Marisol is very unassuming. When she first started to signal her interest, she said she'd like to take care of my son for me. Then she changed her online profile to say she wasn't interested in meeting anybody else. A comment that her stepfather had warned her not to sleep with me unless we got married led to a series of jokes about everybody knowing and her relatives camping in the hallway outside my room while she was in there with me. (I volunteered to order room service for them.) She's definitely planning on being in there with me and doesn't want anybody hanging around.

Finally made contact via webcam last night with Marisol. She's another who isn't quite as pretty as I thought. Her main picture on CB is her at her best. But she's pretty enough for an old man like me. And she's very eager to meet me.


Well, that's the run down. I'm not sure I'd recommend this approach for most. I'm not even sure whether I will like it. I'm not cruel by nature and this is shaping up to be an emotional trip. I'm tough enough, I guess, and there's no way I can fulfill all the dreams pointing my way, but I can't help feeling a little bad for the girls.

It's also not for the verbally challenged or even bad typists. A significant part of my ability to attract these girls has been my quickness of word, wit and fingers, and a plausible aura of sincerity. Besides being funny, I'm a fair poet, which always gets them wet.

But regrets or second thoughts are of little consequence now. I'm on the rollercoaster and the only way off is forward. Tickets are bought, rooms are reserved, plans are agreed. In a month, I'll be on my way.

Now all I have to do is tell my wife I'm taking a two-week vacation without her.

Titmouse

EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.

Bit Farmer
08-20-06, 05:26
This is first time here in Manila - doing some call center business.

Interested in the local experience, and from the posts it appears Quezon City and EDSA are worthwhile venues - however, I'm here alone - and both fri/sat eve the conceirge recommended I not go out alone after dark.

So while I have the call center business to attend to during the days, I would rather not spend my nights alone and in this hotel (Astoria, Ortigas).

Any recommendations for making it a safe night out - should I go it alone - any particulars to watch for - I'm sure I can get some real advice here, thx.

Holton Cowboy
08-20-06, 07:47
allow me to reiterate a previously point. initiating conversation is the key to obtaining free pussy.

where you attempt this and how you conduct yourself, is equally important.

1. never try to make contact with a girl walking down the street. she will be viewed as cheap, be embarrassed and she’ll possibly even run from you. i don’t even ask young women for directions. they usually back away and look frightened, ready to run if i even flinch.

2. if attempting conversation in a mall, do not approach a girl who is just walking by. it is the same as if she is walking down the street. it is ok, of course if she approaches you, but don’t count on that ever happening..
looking for gils in a movie is a waste of time, it won’t work.

3. make sure she is shopping, perhaps looking at some items, then ask her advice on something, anything just to get a conversation started. then invite her to share a pizza (they all love pizza) or a meal at jollibee and take it from there. those places are in every mall. give her the choice. it’s more difficult with shopping girls than with the sales ladies.

4. you’ll find the sales girls to be very attractive, helpful, underpaid and frequently anxious to meet someone. i’ve personally had good luck with many of the pretty little sales ladies. there are plenty of them but if there is more than one standing there, you’ll get no where. either get her lone by asking for specific help on something or find one that is alone or has no other sales ladies around her. it’s helpful if you make a small purchase or two, something that you can use, a t-shirt or belt, or anything.

5. another bit of useful information regarding sales ladies. they are only paid about php200 ($3.00) per day. they have to model themselves to get the job. they must be attractive (at least to the person(s) hiring them. must be over 21 and **** 30. must be at least 5’2” or taller. they are not hired permanently, but instead, they are hired by contact only, which expires usually in six months. for them it is a short window of opportunity to meet someone so it enhances your opportunity also. these girls are very attractive but are little young for my personal taste.
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6. i like open air vegetable markets better. but it’s easier for me because i shop there for veggies anyway. visitors will probably feel out of place and deplore the smells but i‘m used to it.. there is a wider assortment of women in all age groups, and while some are pretty, many are very ugly.

just a bit of trivia. while you’re not likely to try to get an ugly one (i sure won’t) believe it or not, the ugly ones are more difficult to get that the pretty ones. they know they are ugly and you have no credibility in pursuing them. don’t even try! but if they are borderline, it is ok.

the pretty ones, however, know they are pretty and are more receptive to your come-on. asking about veggies or “what kind of strange looking fish is that?” this usually works for me to get things started. thy will laugh at my ignorance and fall all over themselves rendering assistance. after making one purchase, i’ll ask her to assist me at another vendor’s stall and so on until she has almost become my co-conspirator. in the meantime, i’ve learned her name, age, marital/boyfriend status. then i invite her to lunch. everything is so cheap so that i’ve probably spent maybe php200 ($3.88) on all of my purchases. i usually just later give them to her, telling her frankly that i just wanted a chance to meet her. she is flattered by this which furthers my cause. her lunch may cost another $4.00 so i don’t have much invested if i fail and i’ve had a hellava good time in the pursuit.

i rarely miss in the open-air market once she renders assistance to me, but do miss frequently in the mall.

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Daring Mood
08-20-06, 11:09
I really enjoyed reading about the detailed preparations. We have all been there and are seriously envious. Good luck with the wife though :-)

I tried the same approach but got so muddled between which girl was which [Is Lizbeth the fitness instructor from Angeles or is that Irin the care giver from General Santos?] and which city they were from that I found myself having to constanty review message archive to get back on track (I even had an MS Excel worksheet set up for God sakes). Then last week with about 25 of them on the go I blew it... accidentially deleted the Excel / Yahoo archives and other stuff... :-(

Bummer. Now the plan is to walk out of Manila airport and take a taxi to the nearest fish market as per Holton Cowboy's instructions

Daring Mood

X Man
08-20-06, 12:31
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Holton Cowboy
08-20-06, 14:54
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Holton Cowboy
08-21-06, 05:38
I persuaded one of my housemaids, Lisa to allow me to take photo’s of her. I shamelessly bribed her by taking her to the mall and buying her some clothes and new shoes. Her only request, “Don’t show my face.”

I bought nothing for my other housemaid Regina who refused to be photographed. No bribe - no way!!

Lisa is 33 years old but has a fine body, terrific fuck and gives great head and is always ready, available and willing, never married and both house maids live-in, with separate quarters in the house for each. When I bring a woman here, they disappear, knowing NOT to show their face.

Regina also has a great body, 31 years old and has a very pretty face as well, she is also a great fuck and just loves to give head. She loves to sneak under the table (thinking I don’t know she is there) and give me a surprise blow job, I love it! She does all of the cooking and some cleaning but Lisa is responsible for all cleaning. They both do an outstanding job. I pay each PhP2000 per month (slightly higher than the going rate here) plus an occasional bonus. They both send most of their pay to their families.

I’ll keep working on Regina to allow me to take her pictures, it has become a challenge - lol

Daring Mood
08-21-06, 10:52
POSTED ON PHILIPPINES, THAILAND, MALAYSIA, CAMBODIA, CHINA FORUMS

Guys
I want to buy a ring with one of the above precious stones (don't ask me why?).
In your travels can you advise which country / city in your experience offers best quality / prices?

TIA
Daring Mood

Starchild2012
08-21-06, 11:23
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Holton Cowboy
08-21-06, 14:43
Born, perhaps you can see why I prefer women over age 30. These are just regular women available everywhere. I met both of them in the market, struggling to make it with no job. They didn't have enough money to buy any rice, so I offered them domestic helper positions @PhP1,500/month and they jumped at it. About two months later, after the sex began, I raised them to PhP2000/month, sorry no trades! - lol

Lisa is very light colored because her father was Chinese, her mother, Filipino. The other maid, Regina, is peanut butter color. Both are delicious.

Occasionally, they invite some of their friends over for parties, which I encourage, we have karaoke, foods, drinks, fun and I fuck them free too.

My painting studio in in my home and I frequently bring girls there to model for me nude. (there is a huge demand for nudes from my art collectors) The maids are required to never show themselves when I bring in any woman but they see the nude paintings later and are amused. It is funny that Regina is expressing an interest in me painting her nude yet won't let me photograph her. I'm going to paint Lisa nude tomorrow.

Holton Cowboy
08-22-06, 00:50
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Holton Cowboy
08-22-06, 18:52
Regina is my other 31 year old housemaid. When I first saw her I guessed her to be 10 years younger. She is really the prettiest in the face but Lisa has the nicest body. Regina's claim to fame is her ability to give the worlds finest blow-job. She is truly dedicated to the task. She is also a fantastic cook, She has learned to make my favorite American dishes and they're just as good as eating her pussy which we both like. Regina is a screamer and when she gets off the whole neighborhood knows it.

She had refused to let me photograph her until she watched me start painting Lisa, my other housemaid in the nude, then she had a shit fit because she has wanted me to paint her nude for quite some time. She is really cute when she gets mad.

When I told her no painting until I took her picture she agreed to some pictures but no face or full body shots. Sorry guys, best I could get from her. Remember they are maids, not working girls.

Surfer
08-22-06, 20:04
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Cebu Local
08-23-06, 00:44
there are many reports of maids claiming that they were raped and sexually abused by their employers .while i am sure holton knows what he is doing and the sex is consensual,for those who are not familiar with the shakedown here is how it goes,maid sleeps with employer,claims [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123),employer is arrested and jailed,employer pays her 50,000 pesos or more to drop the case which is split with the cops.the trick is have enough proof that the sex is consensual pictures of you out together,shopping eating out etc.plus if you can get her to sign something stating she is a girlfriend so much the better.holton lives here and surely is covering his ass,this advice is directed more at the newbie.i live near an adb diplomat from korea who was just charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) by his housemaid,rather then face the hassle and investigation,he paid the young woman 2,000 dollars.play safe guys

Surfer
08-23-06, 01:03
of a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) allegation, but that is true at any time you are ever alone with any woman. my fellow lawyers say that [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is a charge easily made, yet difficult to defend against, so the truly paranoid should never let themselves be alone with any woman (including your wife as many states recognize marital [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and it is a charge often used for leverage in divorces).

these anecdotes about incidents that could happen are legion, yet misleading imho. for every maid that cries [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), there must be millions of maids happily servicing their employers in the rp every day. and how many prosecutions are there each year for "seduction" (deflowering a virgin under 18 with false promises of marriage)? my guess is you can count them on one hand.

i remind the forum that all prostitution is technically illegal in the rp so those members who are so concerned about avoiding "illegality" should never offer to pay for it lest they end up in muntilupa (prison).

note to jackson: i saw several pleasant exchanges in the thread that appeared to involve "crosstalk" and surmised (incorrectly) that compliments would be allowed. sorry, next time i will pm my compliments to cowboy instead of posting them.

Cebu Local
08-23-06, 01:15
of a [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) allegation, but that is true at any time you are ever alone with any woman. my fellow lawyers say that [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) is a charge easily made, yet difficult to defend against, so the truly paranoid should never let themselves be alone with any woman (including your wife as many states recognize marital [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and it is a charge often used for leverage in divorces).

these anecdotes about incidents that could happen are legion, yet misleading imho. for every maid that cries [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), there must be millions of maids happily servicing their employers in the rp every day. and how many prosecutions are there each year for "seduction" (deflowering a virgin under 18 with false promises of marriage)? my guess is you can count them on one hand.

i remind the forum that all prostitution is technically illegal in the rp so those members who are so concerned about avoiding "illegality" should never offer to pay for it lest they end up in muntilupa (prison).you are correct, however think of me as your friendly travel agent,which i really am in real life,i point out scams commonly practiced but it is up to you whether to follow the advice or not.the bottom line is i have been called to help bail my clients out of trouble enough times to know how it works.if you read the tabloids hardly a week goes by without some employer getting jailed for [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) his maid.i believe the latest was a 62 year old aussie in paranaque last week or some jordanian student.

to cite an example a fellow canadian was accused by his girlfriend of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123),he brought out pictures and tickets of their trip to boracay,tagaytay and batangas together with the proof they slept together in one room.[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case dropped.have a nice day

Surfer
08-23-06, 01:25
I am NOT responding directly, but will say to all that cautionary tales ARE important to bear in mind and, as always, using good judgment is key. IMHO most guys that got into trouble took unreasonable risks and ignored warning signs.

If a particular applicant does not pass the smell test (and No I do not mean is her pekpek mambajo, although that is a good think to check for also LOL), don't hire her. Try and befriend her family members, and be GENEROUS with them (the nicer you are to her and her family, the less likely she will resort to mischief). Being a Koriput has its dangers.

Or keep a trusted old woman in the house AT ALL TIMES to be your witness.

Or get a written contract specifying that sex is part of her job duties.
I Do NOT suggest trying that in the US or Canada; a fellow California lawyer did just that, he made his new secretary sign an agreement that she consented to ANYTHING, then the State Bar publically discilpined him for bringing the profession into disrepute!

As has been noted, ALWAYS CYA in the PI or elsewhere. Whenever possible, DOCUMENT things just in case. But I bet dollars to donuts the majority of those cases involved the employers being assholes towards the help. And while Filipina bosses treat their domestics like subhuman trash, as do 99% of arabs (many Indonesian maids simply refuse to work for arabs because the stories of mistreatment are so common) do NOT do the same if you want to avoid trouble.

Guinness
08-23-06, 01:38
you are correct surfer,however think of me as your friendly travel agent,which i really am in real life,i point out scams commonly practiced but it is up to you whether to follow the advice or not.the bottom line is i have been called to help bail my clients out of trouble enough times to know how it works.if you read the tabloids hardly a week goes by without some employer getting jailed for [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) his maid.i believe the latest was a 62 year old aussie in paranaque last week or some jordanian student.

to cite an example a fellow canadian was accused by his girlfriend of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123),he brought out pictures and tickets of their trip to boracay,tagaytay and batangas together with the proof they slept together in one room.[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case dropped.have a nice day
it's always good to error on the side of caution in matters such as this and follow the advice of experienced people like cl. imho

guinness

Holton Cowboy
08-23-06, 02:41
claiming [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) by an employer is a scam that happens with some frequency, though for most it is safe. my two maids have been with me for two years and are like family, so it's unlikely but still possible, so i do have my ass covered, just incase one of them gets mad at me and decides to claim [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) which is possible!.

i have pictures as well as sworn affidavits that sex between us is consensual, which i recommend to all. i update these affidavits about every six months. my lawyer keeps copies in his office as well as the ones i have at home in hard copy and scanned to disks. currently i have 5 affidavits from each maid effected at different dates, so i'm not worried. better to be safe than sorry. i didn’t really hire them for the purpose of sex, it just worked out that way and it’s dammed convenient. but sex regardless of how it’s acquired is not always with out pitfalls. a westerner looks vulnerable and is always a potential target.

Surfer
08-23-06, 04:41
BINGO! I just figured out how to make a living as a lawyer in the RP: every guy who has a maid needs affadavits, evidence and a defense in case of an allegation. This is BRILLIANT! Wonder what kind of billing rate could charge over there. Hmmm. Thanks to all who contributed to this thread.

Holton Cowboy
08-23-06, 05:41
I drew up my own affidavits (they're boiler plated on my computer) and my lawyer notarizes them for PhP100 - I doubt that you could live on that. He even makes a house call to do that - of course he always gets a nice meal! He charges me nothing to keep them on file.

I was advised to do this by my PNP (Philippine National Police) buddies.


I love the service of house calls available in the Philippines. For example my vet makes house calls to take care of my German Shephard dog. Charges me PhP100 plus cost of medicine.

My computer expert comes to my house anytime to take care of any computer problems.

My mechanic makes house calls to service my vehicles for PhP100

None of these services were ever available back home and if they were it would have cost plenty.

Mahku
08-23-06, 06:19
If I were you I would have a couple of backups in each town. As much as a girl seems good to go it can be a different story when you actually arrive. For example in Zamboanga last week the girl that I thought was a sure thing was a complete MIA. She finally made contact, too late, after I was back in Davao. A lot can happen to make a girl unavailable: A relative can die and she has to go to the province, she can get sick, her family could get overprotective, or her boyfriend could lock her up just to name a few. Better to have a Plan B, or a Girl B or whatever.



1. Lina (Manila)

Until a couple of days ago, I thought Lina had slipped off the hook. She was one of the first I met but not a voluminous correspondent. She offered to be my tour guide about the second e-mail. But when we discussed taking a trip to Tagaytay and I asked (facetiously, I thought) whether I should reserve one room or two, she said "Well, since you ask, two rooms, please." Bummer.

I wrote back saying I was disappointed and that I had just kind of assumed we were going to spend a fun, sexy trip together. Now what?, I asked. After a pause, she wrote back to say one room would be just fine. So we're back on. Lina said that, having never met, she couldn't guarantee anything but she would try very hard to see that I wasn't disappointed again. Latest word is that she's excited with my hotel selection in Tagaytay and has agreed to meet me at my hotel in Manila the night before we'd leave, bringing her suitcase. I'd say we'll be in bed before we leave on the trip as long as I don't blow it.

Speaking of blowing it, that's one of my biggest reservations about this amateur trip. Somehow I doubt they'll be the kind of girl to gobble on the first date. Or the second. Training would be required, and I don't have that much time.

2. Melissa (Angeles City)

Melissa is really in a different category, as she is a pro. We met nearly two years ago on my first trip to the Philippines. At the time, she was a dancer at Brown Sugar. Now she's a door girl at another bar. We've kept in touch, off and on, since I was there. I sent her a pair of earrings that I bought in Thailand after I left. She might be playing me, but I don't think so. She has never asked for anything except that I not butterfly in front of her in Angeles. That seems fair.

Melissa is in love with me, I'm pretty sure. She doesn't exactly say it, because she doesn't think I'm going to swoop down and carry her away. But she's really looking forward to seeing me again, and our lovemaking will be just that. And if I offered, she'd jump at the chance to get out of the life. But I won't, even though it's tempting, because I don't think you can cure a bar girl after several years in the business.

3. Fannie (Cebu)

Fannie is living in Ozamiz City (Mindanao) with her folks and will come to meet me in Cebu by ferry. I'll pay for the trip and a room for her and her cousin. She is the youngest (20), least experienced and most traditional of the girls. She admits to having "slipped" with her first boyfriend "when she was young" but can't make up her mind what she will do with me. On the other hand, she has made her cousin promise to stay in her room and made it clear that nearly anything else is possible and probable. Hmmm. I wonder how far I can push THAT?

I'm pretty sure I can get Fannie if I want to. The pot is simmering and ready to boil if I turn up the heat. I sent her a romantic, sexy poem that went down very well. On the other hand, I'm not sure I want to have her, as it would be the most serious betrayal of the trip. After Lina and Melissa, this old body may need a two-day break. Maybe we'll just fool around and I'll use the non-satisfaction of my manly needs as an excuse to break it off. Devious shit, ain't I?

In the past week, Fannie and I have made contact via weblog (always a dangerous moment) and passed with flying colors. She's maybe not quite as pretty as I first thought, but she more than makes up for it in personality.

4. Georgina (Zamboanga)

Xena, as I call her, has been pretty clearly in the "Hurry up and get here so we can bonk" column for some time. I started calling her Xena because the first time we chatted, she had her knees up in front of her chest. In the webcam it looked like a breastplate.

We talk almost daily by webcam, and she has a great smile. She thinks I'm funny, which I am. She's a tiny little girl of 5'1" and we were joking about my size -- 6' and 200 pounds. I told her she'd have to be on top to keep from getting crushed. "Hehehehe" she said. It wasn't the first time she has indirectly indicated she's ready to roll over.

I don't get too explicit with any of these girls, you understand. While I'm sometimes pretty suggestive, it's in reasonably good taste. No bad words, no bald statements. These girls are not the kind to talk about it. But they don't seem to mind the hints, and don't mind hinting back. Could I be misunderstanding any of them? Well, it's possible of course. None of them, not even Melissa, is going to come right out and say they want to f*ck me or will let me f*ck them. But I'm an old guy who's had a lot of experience. I pretty well know where they are. I could mess it up, but otherwise I expect they will deliver eagerly.

Xena has already said she's in love with me and has understood that I won't say that back to her, not yet. We haven't even really met, I point out, and I won't lie to her. Like all of them, she's a sucker for honesty. She dropped an Australian guy who was my closest competition because "hes a lier." We're going to a family picnic the day I arrive but she says we don't have to stay long. I'd bet we'll be in bed an hour later. She's the most desperate of the girls and I'm sure she wants to nail me down. But I'll do the nailing.

Out last contact wasn't so good. I cut it off to chat with Fannie, pretending it was a computer problem. Xena has been having a string of bad luck -- some family problems she won't discuss, a good friend injured in a car wreck, and the loss of her cellphone. She isn't asking me for any help, but the endless discussion of her upsets are not my favorite thing. I sure hope this works out as I'm committed to Zamboanga, and I don't know if there's anything else to do there if we don't click. Worth the risk, I think.

5. Marisol (Davao)

This girl is maybe the sweetest of them all -- the best mix of looks, attitude, experience and interest. On one hand, I'm glad she's last. On the other hand, I hope I have something left by the time I get to her. She's actually from pineapple country north of Davao and will come down by bus to meet me. She has a son but will leave him with relatives. She'll also come with her best friend who was her translator at first. But now she's writing to me directly. That's because of what we're talking about. And because I complained: "It's as if I kissed your friend and then she kissed you," I said. "Not the same thing at all." Bye-bye friend.

But Marisol is very unassuming. When she first started to signal her interest, she said she'd like to take care of my son for me. Then she changed her online profile to say she wasn't interested in meeting anybody else. A comment that her stepfather had warned her not to sleep with me unless we got married led to a series of jokes about everybody knowing and her relatives camping in the hallway outside my room while she was in there with me. (I volunteered to order room service for them.) She's definitely planning on being in there with me and doesn't want anybody hanging around.

Steve74
08-24-06, 03:57
I drew up my own affidavits (they're boiler plated on my computer) and my lawyer notarizes them for PhP100 - I doubt that you could live on that. He even makes a house call to do that - of course he always gets a nice meal! He charges me nothing to keep them on file.

I was advised to this by my PNP (Philippine National Police) buddies.

I love the service of house calls available in the Philippines. For example my vet makes house calls to take care of my German Shephard dog. Charges me PhP100 plus cost of medicine.

My computer expert comes to my house anytime to take care of any computer problems.

My mechanic makes house calls to service my vehicles for PhP100

None of these services were ever available back home and if they were it would have cost plenty.Wow, sounds like everything costs PHP100. Can't buy much of anything for that here in the U.S. I might have to move to the PI so I can live the filthy rich lifestyle.

Holton Cowboy
08-24-06, 09:36
did you make the painting of both already.

if possible can you post pics of that painting ?

i haven’t started painting regina yet and it’s taking too long to complete lisa‘s painting. probably because i keep fooling with her delicious body then fucking her - it’ll be the same regina - heh heh

i won’t be able to post them however. i posted a number of my paintings yesterday but admin deleted them. i guess admin does not consider paintings to be consistent with this site and i’m nor complaining it’s their call to make. it’s just that someone else had requested that i post them and so i did.

i did not post any nudes, however, nudes are in high demand by my art collectors and are sold faster than i can paint them. my clients pay high dollar for them and don’t want prints floating around. i can’t blame them. anyway, i have a continuing contract that does not allow me to publish purchased paintings in any manner. i retain the copyright to any publishing however, so they can’t sell prints of them either. so the paintings that i posted here were paintings that i’ve given to friends and family. if i publish a painting in any way, i cannot sell it.

i paint a lot of nudes because they sell so good, until i’m sick of doing that type of painting, (though playing with my models is always fun) then i have to paint something else for awhile. landscapes, seascapes, wildlife, florals, anything or i’ll go nuts!

i don’t try to hire professional models, there are too many beautiful regular women for that. they are very shy at first and hate to take their clothes off but need the money so bad and i promise no sex. i pay them p500 for posing until the painting is completed, usually about three days. they are happy to get the money. by agreement however i do tweak their nipples and finger their pussies to keep them aroused for a sexy expression which does sometimes (not always) leads to sex when they get too horny. i require them to sign an affidavit that the sex between us is consensual. sometimes they get cold feet at signing this document and we have no sex but at least i don’t run the risk of being charged with [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123).

Holton Cowboy
08-24-06, 09:42
Wow, sounds like everything costs PHP100. Can't buy much of anything for that here in the U.S. I might have to move to the PI so I can live the filthy rich lifestyle.


The trick is to have a Filipina call and canvas prices for you, both of my housemaids are very good at that and are very protective of me. They can get the lower Filipino price and they are able to bargain them down from even that whereas I would be stuck with the higher American price. Speaking flient Tagalog is no advantage for me in bargaining because of my American face.

Cebu Local
08-24-06, 11:48
The trick is to have a Filipina call and canvas prices for you, both of my housemaids are very good at that and are very protective of me. They can get the lower Filipino price and they are able to bargain them down from even that whereas I would be stuck with the higher American price. Speaking flient Tagalog is no advantage for me in bargaining because of my American face.I once booked a room for a local expat using the local residents rate and when they saw his white face,they suddenly raised the rate to the higher tourist rate.He had to produce his drivers license,ACR,Residence Certificate before they relented to let him pay at the local resident rate.Go figure,a guy who lives in the PI,pays taxes in the PI is not a resident because he is white?????

Surfer
08-24-06, 16:30
I always used to have my wife book the room and by keeping a low profile usually could get the Pinoy rate for a few days before the Hotel got wise. It is VERY irritating to be charged the roundeye surtax, which is supposedly based on ability to pay, yet wealthy Pinoys still can get the local rate. The PRC is even worse. Happens in Africa and South America too, though not to the same extremes as in SE Asia. But let's face it; there are so many advantages to being anglo that you reall cannot complain too much about having to pay a bit more for hotels and hookers. IMHO 99% of people without white skin would give most anything to have it.

Holton Cowboy
08-24-06, 18:24
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. White women envy their natural tans while Filipina's envy white women’s white skin.

All the stores here are well stocked with heavily advertised "whitening creams" - The girls and even the guys wear light jackets or sweaters even when it is quite hot, to avoid getting more sun while riding on motorcycles.

Cebu Local
08-25-06, 00:12
The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. White women envy their natural tans while Filipina's envy white women’s white skin.

All the stores here are well stocked with heavily advertised "whitening creams" - The girls and even the guys wear light jackets or sweaters even when it is quite hot, to avoid getting more sun while riding on motorcycles.
But on the other hand Tanning Salons do great business during the rainy periods in my native Vancouver,Just like in other north american cities.Funny but thats how things are,I have customers leaving the PI to escape the heat for a vacation,while I have customers arriving in the PI to escape the cold.

J Boy
08-25-06, 22:23
I tried to PM this question to Cebu Local but your box is full - I understand you are in the travel business. I will be visiting my GF in Feb and she would like to visit Cebu for a few days to maybe as long as a week. I don't like the beach, don't swim and don't scuba dive. She loves the beach. We both like night clubs with good bands - rock, blues, jazz, we enjoy nice restauarants and a little site seeing. [I enjoy mongering but not this time. GF would do a Bobbit on me! LOL]

What would you recommend? Travel from Makati to Cebu, hotel, things to do and places to see...
J Boy

Spam Hog
08-27-06, 11:07
I tried to PM this question to Cebu Local but your box is full - I understand you are in the travel business. I will be visiting my GF in Feb and she would like to visit Cebu for a few days to maybe as long as a week. I don't like the beach, don't swim and don't scuba dive. She loves the beach. We both like night clubs with good bands - rock, blues, jazz, we enjoy nice restauarants and a little site seeing. [I enjoy mongering but not this time. GF would do a Bobbit on me! LOL]

What would you recommend? Travel from Makati to Cebu, hotel, things to do and places to see...
J Boy


I'll take a stab at this one. Cebu is full of interesting night clubs, most popular is the sunflower (Thursdays is ladies night) place rocks on until 4 Am on Saturday. You can try Ratskys for a littel smaller better behaved crowd. Also check out Sinners and Saints across from Country Mall, mostly pinoy but every one is cool, nice to westerners. You might even try going into Lapu Palu city to a place called "The Cadillac club" run by a down home boy from Alabama, they give a westerner the royal treatment. All the aforementioned have live bands and dance floor, drinks and food of course.

You can do some sight seeing, the GF would enjoy a pilgrimage to Santo Nino Catherdral, check out the Chinese temple over looking the city. Go up to the Marco Polo Hotel in Lahug Hills and you can find some spectacular views in these little outdoor resturaunts, breath taking at night.

There are more amenities here for westerners, food, cafe's etc. If you get bored you can always go bowling or play nine Ball in any of the Malls like Sm or Ayala.

Check out some Hotels like the Richmond or castle peak which are centrally located.

Last but not least Bohol is a two hour jet boat ride away, I know you dont like the beach etc but Chocolate hills tour, Tarsier monkey farm, riverboat ride are all available.


Good luck

Spamhog

Bareback Bill
08-29-06, 03:26
I’ve been traveling to the P.I. for over 20 years. Without question, the P.I. is the best in the world for barebacking and gfe. I have sired no less than 20 kids that I know of and I’m sure there are even more I’m not aware of. I do support most of them with monthly transfers of cash and I must say I’m proud of each and every one of the little bastards.

Here are some of the tricks I use to bareback these unsuspecting gals:

1) Ask her upfront if she is willing to have your child. If you are a decent looking white guy, you probably stand at least a 50% chance, especially if you are willing to support them in a small way.

2) Get her really drunk by having her drink at least 12 tequila shots before taking her to your room. By the time she knows what hit her, you’ve already ejaculated a couple times into her vagina.

3) Agree to wear a condom but then slip it off just before penetration using your face as a shield so she doesn’t catch on.

Yes, I have contracted my share of std’s but it’s like my kindergarten teacher once said, “If you go out to the playground, you will get nicked up from time to time.” Anyway, I notice many of you guys talk about barebacking so why not be honest and admit you’ve used some of these techniques. Feel free to publish your own tricks.

Starchild2012
08-29-06, 14:14
Yeah yeah its all good and easy when the kids are young, but just think when they be of your age. I'm sure that time you won't even reconize them: D. May be you would support some of the kids or get them visa etc. But it would have being much easier if you offered the girls a pregancy control PILL. That way you don't have to lie or care for anything. And the money you spent now have being much lower:)

I know its hard to pursue that line. But I have done it and it takes time for a women to understand the stuff. But once they agree. I go full blown in their pussies.

There is a pill which you insert inside the vagina and its kills the semens after few hours. And its dilutes inside the pussy and becomes liquid after some time. No worries after momentary bliss: D

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Guinness
08-29-06, 17:48
I appreciate the honesty but quite mind boggling. 20 kids, monthly transfers of cash and STD's-a-plenty? Wow.
I've found barebacking in the PI to be the norm and I'm usually the one insisting on a condom but my condom use has less to do with getting the girl pregnant and more to do with contracting STD's. It's hard to monger when you've got a big blister on your unit.

Guinness

Bareback Bill
08-30-06, 02:14
I’m afraid you guys are 100% right about the risks of barebacking. This is the reason I never kick a fair skinned shoe shine boy while walking down the street since I may be related. However, I believe I am benefiting the gene pool by having as many kids as possible in the P.I. before I die. Anyone who has been to the P.I. would probably understand what I mean. In addition, most of you know that a fair skinned citizen has a leg up in their society which is an added benefit in my mind.

Regarding the std’s, you name it I’ve had it. I’ve never had an HIV test so I have no clue about that one but all the others I plead guilty. The most annoying ones are Herpes and Genital Warts since it takes a few weeks before I’m back in action. I usually don’t get the warts treated until I have several on my cock. In fact, during my last trip to the Dermatologist he referred to me as “Mr. Corncob” since there were so many warts he needed to burn off with a laser. I refer to it as the cost of doing business.

Elmerfud
08-30-06, 12:58
Regarding the std’s, you name it I’ve had it. I’ve never had an HIV test so I have no clue about that one but all the others I plead guilty. The most annoying ones are Herpes and Genital Warts since it takes a few weeks before I’m back in action. I usually don’t get the warts treated until I have several on my cock. .Unfortunatrely, I have to tell you that herpes and warts are entry door for hiv the risk of contracting hiv is not that great on a healthy dick, they say that one in a hundred is a fair stats but with some outside lesion on your dick the risk is greatly increased perhaps I would said one in 5 or 10. Who knows?

But the sadest in that is not you my friend it is the poor girls who is getting bonked all my sympathy goes to her.

Starchild2012
08-30-06, 15:41
Bareback,

You are great and you have the guts to say it all openly, Hats off man :D

Last night I saw on TV, A man got arrested in US for bigamy etc. He was Top Ten most wanted men in FBI list. I don't know why...

He has a large following of polygamist across US..he reportedly has 24 wifes and 100 Kids :D

you can read it more here..

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/30/jeffs.arrest/

Yi Ren
08-30-06, 17:05
I’m afraid you guys are 100% right about the risks of barebacking. <...> In fact, during my last trip to the Dermatologist he referred to me as “Mr. Corncob” since there were so many warts he needed to burn off with a laser. I refer to it as the cost of doing business.
BB,

I can't quite figure out if you're serious or having a big laugh on all of us, but either way, your posts are interesting. :)

Cheers,
-Y

The Corn Hole
08-31-06, 00:50
Well then, If you do indeed support them financially I can't really fault you for your actions. The libertarian in me refuses to do so.

It does astonish me how the filippino has been conditioned to take just about anything one can throw at them with a remarkable amount of resilience and still keep their smiles.

X Man
08-31-06, 07:25
BBB, your posts are humorous and disgusting at the same time. Any kind of poll would be statistically unsound, but I'll say that I usually go for the protection. And in those cases when I don't, I pull out at the most opportune moment. And if you're quick enought you can give her the "facial whitener". Darn, the whitening only works until she wipes it off...but don't tell her that.

I have only one confirmed kid in PI, and I was assured he was in good care. I was 19 and the mother was already engaged to a guy shooting blanks...so the story goes that they started a family. I hope it worked out for them.

How many of these children have you actually met BBB? I hope a few of them take a moment of their time and visit you...and kick your butt. You probably deserve it.

Like watching the aftereffects of a car accident, I can't stop looking at the BBB posts.

X

Patbutter
08-31-06, 08:12
However, I believe I am benefiting the gene pool by having as many kids as possible in the P.I. before I die.

Regarding the std’s, you name it I’ve had it. I’ve never had an HIV test so I have no clue about that one but all the others I plead guilty. The most annoying ones are Herpes and Genital Warts since it takes a few weeks before I’m back in action. I usually don’t get the warts treated until I have several on my cock. In fact, during my last trip to the Dermatologist he referred to me as “Mr. Corncob” since there were so many warts he needed to burn off with a laser. I refer to it as the cost of doing business.One word comes to mind: Vasectomy

I'd like to think BBB is joking, but if not, I hope he'll consider this operation.

In the spirit of the no crosstalk policy, I won't give my opinion on whether he's benefitting the gene pool. The above BBB/Mr. Corncob quote might give us some clues as to the quality of his genes.

BTW, let me put in a vote for Asian Rain: at least he posts some good pix and a lot of great info.

PB

Chivas 1
09-01-06, 09:08
Does anyone know why all the flights from the U.S to Manila arrive at 10:45pm or at 4 or 5 in the morning no matter where you depart from in the U.S?. This seems so strange to me, so if anyone has an answer for it it would be greatly appreciated.

X Man
09-01-06, 17:25
Well, first we are talking about a 12 hour flight, and a 10 hour time difference. Trying to find a convenient arrival AND departure time could be a bit complicated.

Second point, is a lot of these flights connect somewhere. There are a lot of cities (HK, Tokyo, Taipei) which attract more high-paying passengers than MLA. For example, arrival time in Tokyo is convenient, but the last leg to Manila put you in around Midnight. (I'm thinking NWA on this)

x


Does anyone know why all the flights from the U.S to Manila arrive at 10:45pm or at 4 or 5 in the morning no matter where you depart from in the U.S?. This seems so strange to me, so if anyone has an answer for it it would be greatly appreciated.

Chivas 1
09-02-06, 00:29
Well, first we are talking about a 12 hour flight, and a 10 hour time difference. Trying to find a convenient arrival AND departure time could be a bit complicated.

Second point, is a lot of these flights connect somewhere. There are a lot of cities (HK, Tokyo, Taipei) which attract more high-paying passengers than MLA. For example, arrival time in Tokyo is convenient, but the last leg to Manila put you in around Midnight. (I'm thinking NWA on this)

xThank you for your imput X Man and I fully understand where you are coming from, but with the number of travelers coming to Manila you would surely think that some airline would leave the United States at a time that would connect to a connecting flight into Manila that would get you into Manila at a reasonable time.

Cebu Local
09-02-06, 01:02
Well, first we are talking about a 12 hour flight, and a 10 hour time difference. Trying to find a convenient arrival AND departure time could be a bit complicated.

Second point, is a lot of these flights connect somewhere. There are a lot of cities (HK, Tokyo, Taipei) which attract more high-paying passengers than MLA. For example, arrival time in Tokyo is convenient, but the last leg to Manila put you in around Midnight. (I'm thinking NWA on this)

xX Man hit it on the nail.It is the last connecting leg that makes it inconvinient..But many people like to arrive at night,So they can get some sleep to adjust to the jetlag.

Dashing Don
09-02-06, 12:44
If you take the New York-Manila Flight of Cathay Pacific,You arrive around 9 AM in the morning.

I've taken this Cathay Pacific flight several times and it gets you into MNL at around midnight, just like all the rest. The flight leaves JFK at 3:45pm every day, I think six days out of seven.

In a constant effort to reduce travel time, I've researched and tried different ways to get from New York to Manila in the shortest possible time. Cathay Pacific's NY-Hong Kong-Manila is the fastest by several hours, mainly due to the quick turnaround time in HKG.

Don

Cebu Local
09-02-06, 13:01
I've taken this Cathay Pacific flight several times and it gets you into MNL at around midnight, just like all the rest. The flight leaves JFK at 3:45pm every day, I think six days out of seven.

In a constant effort to reduce travel time, I've researched and tried different ways to get from New York to Manila in the shortest possible time. Cathay Pacific's NY-Hong Kong-Manila is the fastest by several hours, mainly due to the quick turnaround time in HKG.

Don
Senator
Sorry This was a few years back,I guess the schedule has since changed.Sorry for the Error,I will edit my post.

Titmouse
09-14-06, 13:22
Mining the Online Introduction Boards, Part 3

I hope I’m not boring everybody with this pre-report stuff. Reactions have varied from praise to pan. The biggest criticism has been along the lines of ‘why bother?’ when there are so many opportunities just waiting for a traveler to take. I can’t refute that viewpoint. I’m doing this partly out of curiosity and partly from boredom while waiting for the time to pass until I can leave again. But in the process I have met and written to and chatted with some truly charming women – some little more than girls – and generally had an entertaining two months. But if I ever do this again, it will be in country, not from the US. Anyway, I'm off tonight, and we shall see how it goes.

There’s another aspect, too. I’m a writer and I’ve saved nearly all the emails and chats. I don’t know exactly what to do with it all, if anything, but I think it’s fascinating. Maybe I’ll try to turn it into something commercial, or at least into art.

Lots of things have changed since my last update. For those who have been following, I had already suggested as much in Part 2. For those who haven’t, I decided this trip to see what could be done via an online introduction board. I chose Cherry Blossoms (www.blossoms.com) almost two months ago. Since then I've been writing to or chatting with a number of girls. Now, just days before the trip, I think I’m in love with five different women. Oh my, oh my. And they are not quite the same five as I ended the last report with. One has definitely dropped off and another is a maybe. But there are replacements in the wings.

As before, names have been changed to protect the wicked and innocent alike.

The one who definitely dropped was the one I said was the sweetest of the bunch last time – Marisol (Davao). What a tangle that turned out to be!

Marisol originally wrote to me through a friend whose command of English was better. Marisol and the friend wound up exchanging angry emails through me accusing the other of being money-grubbers. In the process, it turned out that several lies had been told, and that Marisol was not the semi-innocent (if anyone with an illegitimate baby can be called an innocent) she had seemed. In fact, she had been a Japayuki – a bar girl in Japan.

I didn’t care about that so much as I didn’t like being lied to. And I really didn’t like the tangled situation in which what was true was very unclear. So I dropped her like a rock, despite pleas that continued for two weeks. Nope, not doing that. I have a contact in Davao with whom I hope to have a drink and get some local guidance, perhaps a guided tour. And there’s a new girl that I will meet on the second day of my visit.

Right now, she seems like a great find. She won’t meet me without a chaperone, but she promises the chaperone will mind her own business. By that stage of the trip, I probably won’t care whether it goes very far or not. But she is so sweet I just had to meet her.

So the tail end of the trip has changed, and so has the front end, perhaps. I might still hear from Lina, who is supposed to meet me in Manila and tour guide me to Tagaytay. She isn’t on-line much. But her CB profile has changed to make it clear she is still very much searching for the right guy, which implies I am not it. And we haven’t written very much, especially compared to the others. Maybe she’s simmering in Manila, just waiting for me to fly in and grab her, but maybe not.

But that’s a minor problem as there are plenty of opportunities in Manila for entertainment. If Lina doesn’t show, I plan to head for the LA Café. As a matter of fact, I half hope she doesn’t, as I’d really like to check out the café while it’s in its prime. Great places like that have a tendency to come and go. (I just learned yesterday that the Cafe has closed. Sigh.)

If that’s the way it works out, I’ve got a couple of options for the days freed up by the change. I might go up to Subic Bay and Barrio Barreto for a night or two, or I might slip into Angeles City a day earlier than my second appointment is expecting me. I’d like to check out the perimeter bars, which I didn’t have time for last visit. I understand that afternoons at the Rio can be entertaining.

In any case, things are still on with Melissa in Angeles City for my second stop. As previously mentioned, Melissa is in a different category. She is not a Cherry Blossoms girl, she’s a door girl that I met on a visit nearly two years ago. We’ve been chatting and writing steadily for the past two months, and we’re both eager to renew our acquaintance. I’ve booked two nights at the Orchid Inn and one night at L’Tinio’s Jaccuzi Suite. Should be sweet.

When I stagger out of Angeles City, the next stop is Cebu (via Manila). What was a somewhat cautious involvement with the youngest of my serious correspondents has gotten hot and heavy. Fannie has made it pretty clear that she will likely throw caution to the winds and bonk my brains out. She’s asked if I would be sure to use a condom. I take that as a pretty clear hint.

Fannie is more fun than anybody so far. She is funny, frank and suggestive without being gross. She is also as crazy in love with me as you can be without ever meeting in person. Like my new girl in Davao, she will come to Cebu with a chaperone, but we have joked many times about how bored the cousin will be confined to her room while Fannie is in mine.

Fannie’s family is dirt poor. She sent me a picture of her house and an interior shot. They were pretty shocking, although I doubt she thought so. And that ‘house’ has since been torn down by the owner, who wanted the land for another purpose. They are slowly building another and sleeping on the floor at a cousin’s house meanwhile. The trip to Cebu will be a first for her. Sleeping on a hotel bed and eating in a restaurant will be firsts for her. She hasn’t asked for a thing, but if all goes well I will send her home with a gift to help with the house.

After Cebu is Zamboanga and Georgina, who is also crazy in love with me. Georgina is fun but not as much fun as Fannie. She is a little more aggressive with her questions, where Fannie is tactfully quiet. Georgina wants to know where I’m going and who I’m meeting. She is 28 but looks much younger in some of her pictures. I joke that I will have to check her ID first.

Georgina has also had some trauma during our correspondence – lost cell phone, undisclosed troubles involving a cousin, serious auto accidents involving friends, a neighbor who shot her cat and the resulting legal efforts to get him in trouble. I almost eased away from her, but I was left with a prepaid flight to Zamboanga and a lack of information about who might be there as an option. I probably could have found someone to fill in, but Georgina already knew where I was staying, even if she doesn’t know my real name.

And despite the rocky road, I think Georgina will turn out to be lots of fun. She has a good sense of humor and a great smile. Our last few chats have been both heavy and suggestive. But I have to be careful. Zamboanga is not that big of a town. Her family knows I’m coming. I need to get out on good terms if I want to get out alive.

Finally, with my last breath, I’ll push on to Davao. As mentioned, I hope to connect with an expat living there for an orientation and perhaps some hands-on guidance. (That doesn’t sound right, but I’ll leave it.) I’d like to visit Ground Zero.

The next day, I’m meeting Annamarie. She’s a late-comer to the party. I don’t expect to score a touchdown with her, and that will probably be a relief. This poor old body may be worn out by then. Correction. It surely will be worn out by then. So some kiss and cuddle will be plenty.

But Annamarie is worth meeting. We connected immediately. You know how that goes? We just liked each other, and each time we talked it got better and better. She’s a potential keeper. I only told her yesterday that I was coming to Davao. It was a gamble, but I just couldn’t let the opportunity to meet her pass by.

Although I said at the end of Part 2 that I was not looking for any more contacts, I lied to myself and you. I kept responding to emails and checking the CB lists of matches and of people who had checked me out. Annamarie is one result. There are several others, including Janie in Manila, Annie in Talisay (south of Cebu), and Layla in Cagayan de Oro. Annie and Layla are really too young, but they are so encouraging, so enticing, and so beautiful that I haven’t been able to let go. Janie is a little older and also very pretty. She is recovering from a severely broken heart. I told her my own sob-story and she latched on to me as an understanding and kindred spirit. Then there is Joey in – damn, I’ve forgotten – a small town on the west coast of Negros Occidental, the daughter of a drunk who is struggling to help her mother pay back her college loans. And Reina, a student in Manila, who wants to connect with me but just can’t overcome her shyness.

I wish I could have them all. I wish I could marry them all and live in connubial excess for my remaining days. A month ago, I was sure I would not wind up with any of them. That’s still my best guess, but I’m slipping. If any of them were willing to live with me without marrying, I might consider it. Fortunately or unfortuanately, that’s not likely to happen.

Oh, one final drama. I told my wife I was taking this vacation, which led to a rough two days before the storm passed. I haven’t been explicit but she knows what I’m up to. She’s not happy but she accepts that the consequence of various decisions she has made leave me little choice. I floated the concept of separate vacations in the future.

Right now, she’s still on probation at her new job and can’t take any time off until next year. She might go see her parents then. That would be okay with me. Maybe I can take another trip then. I doubt we can stay together much longer, but her present tolerance has extended the time for decision.

My next report will be after my return. Hang on. It should be an interesting ride.

Titmouse

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Santa
09-19-06, 19:52
New York Times. Sept 19

New Species Found Off Indonesia.

Scientists have discovered dozens of new species, including a shark that walks on it's fins and a shrimp that resembles a praying mantis.

The team from Conservation International warned that the area, known as Bird's Head Seascape, is in danger from fishermen who use dynamite and cyanide.

"It's one of the most stunningly beautiful landscapes and seascapes on the planet," said a senior adviser.

The new shark is called the Indonesian speckled carpetshark. It looks like a leopard shark.

HenryV
09-21-06, 15:34
Hope this is not misplaced. Recently had a friend, much older and wiser than me, and fellow monger, pass on. Just my way of remembering him:

- he began to believe that in time even death itself might be abolished.

Reliving his mongering in words he began to wish he could relive it in fact, and he came to believe that he and his fellow mongers might one day be able to do just that. If not here on earth, then afterwards in Val Halla.

Who knows he asked as his narrative drew towards its close, but it may be given to us after this life to meet again in the old quarters; to play chess and cards, to get up at the crack of 11 to answer a morning phone call, to go to breakfast, then supper and after that to again hastily don our evening wear while a monotonous patter of a disco/karaoke music summons us to battle.

Who knows but again the girls, dressed in bikinis, dancing to a slow beat, face each other and giggle, pursuing and pursued, while the cries of lustful joy fill a warm night.

And after the humping, then the tired and winded will arise and all will meet together for breakfast, all sound and well. They'll be talking and laughter and cheers, and all will say:

- did it not seem real, was it not as in the old days.

Wander Luster
09-25-06, 22:13
Hi all,

Several years ago I turned to the internet and started a quest with the sincere intention of finding a relationship with a foreign woman that could eventually lead to marriage. I made contact with several Filipinas, although it was always on a friendship only basis as I never believed in getting involved in some kind of long distance virtual relationship with someone I have not even met. I decided to get off the fence and take the plunge about a year ago and took my first trip to the Phils last December. I can honestly say that I had the time of my life; I visited Manila, Davao and Boracay.

My first impressions were that of absolute culture shock, I was not prepared for the scenes of abject poverty that I witnessed countless times on my month long stay. My general impression of the Filipino people is that although they are often times very poor, they are rich in spirit, living in adversity but with a smile on their faces.

I have often wrestled with my conscience over my mongering tendencies against my desire to be the “nice guy” that I want to be. Nothing illustrates this better than my first trip to the Phils. On one hand, I went there to meet sweet young Filipinas, on the other hand I wanted to sow some more of my seemingly endless supply of wild oats. Let me say that my mongering side won. Sometimes I visualize myself with little cartoon characters on my shoulder, one the little angel who tells me to be that nice guy, the other shoulder has the little devil who says have some fun and live a little. Needless to say, it’s the devil that often wins the argument!

Literally within hours of landing at Ninoy Aquino Airport I was at the EDSA Center with eyes wide open and tongue hanging out, I was in heaven! I brought home a lovely local named Jenny from a bar called, I believe, My Fair Lady. We actually spent the next 48 hours together, and by that I mean constant companionship like we here joined at the hip, or I should say joined at another appendage! I decided to let her go after a few days as I didn’t want to spend all of my time with just one girl, although in reality I really enjoyed her company and was reluctant to say goodbye.

After we said our farewell I went to a cyber café down the street and before I knew it I was chatting with a little 22 year old babe from Cebu sitting at the computer next to me. Her name was Anna and the next thing I know we were holding hands strolling down Bay Walk along Roxas Blvd. We then stopped at one of the café’s for a drink where she confessed to me that she works at LA café as a bar girl. She comes to Manila a few months out of the year to make some extra cash. To make a long story short, we ended up at my hotel for a good all night romp, the next morning she wanted to stay with me for the day but I didn’t want to get any more involved. She never did ask for any money but I gave her some anyways just to keep things on a “professional” level.

That night I hit a bar called G Spot in Ermita that was practically across the street from the Lotus Garden Hotel where I stayed. I sat at the bar, ordered a San Mig and before I took my third swig there was a Filipina hottie sitting next to me asking my name. Her name was Lorie and as it turns out she works at some bar on Burgos St. I started to think that every girl in this city works as a bar girl! Anyways, the same story; back to my hotel, an all night GFE, wanted to stay with me all day and never asked for money although I gave her some anyways. To this day I’m still not sure if she was a bar girl on her night off looking for a boyfriend or turning a trick on the side.

I decided to call Jenny up, the girl from my first night as I actually missed her. I ended up spending the rest of the week with her. She was more of a girlfriend than a bar girl, I did not pay any bar fines and I actually had an emotional scene on my hands later in the week when I tried to give her money. She was deeply hurt and insulted that I wanted to pay for her company. I’m not sure of the lesson learned here, other than that I believe that there are a certain number of women who work in these bars and they are filled with shame because of it. Maybe the moral is that a little kindness goes a long way with a lot of these women. Keep in mind that this isn’t necessarily a bad thing depending on what you’re looking for.

I flew to Davao on Cebu Pacific and stayed at Casa Leticia for the next two weeks. One of the main reasons I went to Davao was to meet in person a young 20 year old lady who I had been corresponding with for several months before my trip. I had met her, along with several other women, through the Cherry Blossoms website. She was a very sweet girl, a true Filipina gem. She had recently finished school and just started a job working at a call center. I should mention that she was a virgin, she was from a good family that raised her and her sister right. They showed me very generous hospitality; they invited me to dinner and several family outings. However, as nice as she was there lacked a certain chemistry that one cannot know until you have met in person.

I also met some other “normal girls” in Davao, most of who were virgins; I went from one extreme to the next, either bar girls or virgins! Interestingly enough they all seemed to think that I was a great guy full of morals and decency. I couldn’t help but think that these particular women could do better than a guy like me. Don’t get me wrong, It’s not that I’m putting these women on too high a pedestal or put myself too low in the gutter, it’s just that it bothered me is that I wasn’t being totally honest with them. For if they truly knew of my mongering tendencies they would probably not want to have a thing to do with me. In a certain irony, I am more honest with the bargirls than with these sweet things. Let me say that I have no intention of deflowering any of these women. I respect their choices and do not want to change them. One thing I did learn from this experience was to avoid virgins in the future as I am not compatible with them for anything more than friendship.

For the last week of my trip I decided to splurge and go to Boracay for a few days, I took Jenny from Manila and had a great time. I still talk with her to this day and I genuinely care about her well being. I have sent her some money from time to time, not much. For the record she has never once asked for it.

In conclusion, I actually have the desire to live in the Philippines. I think it would be great to get the mongering out of my system so I can think straight! After a month there of fucking myself silly, I had an entirely new perspective on just about everything; including myself, a greater understanding of women and of the human condition in general. I have come to admire the Filipino spirit and truly would like to find a good woman to marry someday. I can think of no better way than to live there full time so I could not only pursue women on a full time basis, but also try and understand the life and culture there as well. I actually envy some posters here that have found a way to have a successful career in a third world country.

I will be traveling for my second trip to the Phils this upcoming November and December; my tentative stops will be in Manila, Angeles, Cebu and Davao. If any of you expats, mongers, conversationalists or adventurers want to meet up for a drink or two and perhaps and evening of debauchery, then the first round is on me!

Cheers,

Sagramore


Great post dude. I think there can be a "boy's club" culture on here, and we all sometimes want to show the less soft side. But Identify with what you say. I guess I've become a bit hardened after being with counless pros. I'm almost the same age as you.

One of the "hardened" area relates to "making her happy". I totally agree with you. By now I'm damn good at oral, as most mongerers become. So going down on a 9 an watching her twich and knowing she may NEVER HAVE GOTTEN ORAL LIKE THIS if she is new to the industry, that's great.

Then there is a side that is not so nice and I'm not sure what to think about my attitude. I remember one of the most sexy girls I ever did in Cebu. She was brand spanking new and very recently over 18. I was very nice with her and made her feel at ease before we did the wild.

But, the fact is that when someone is new, they can not go at it for very long or they get sore. In this case, and a couple like it, she was in discomfort. NOT to the point of pushing me off or saying stop.

She was still wet and I was in absolute heaven. The CONTROL of the situation I guess is part of what made this so kinky to me. And again, I'd been with few in the past that were model material like this. So, I guess that's the bad guy (not so bad).

I have a friend that like P4P and it turns him on when the girl has a bad attitude and doesn't really want to fuck for more than 60 secs but is being paid for it. He's a decent catch in the US, so it's not as though he turns girls off like this. Again, I guess this about conrol.. His attitude is a bit much for me.

You also mention "get it out of your sytem". Does that happen? I don't know and I don't think so. I've spent almost a year of the past 2 working in the Phils and I could not count how many babes I've done in that time. Before that I had at least 100 sessions P4P going back to age 28. But I don't think the ones now are any worse then the ones half way through this hobby.

I do think I'm more picky, and that's the irony, becausse I'm approaching an age were the 18 year olds are not as thrilled, but I still can thrill most any babe that is 20 if I chat with them in a bar. So there must be diminishing returns. But I don't think there is anying to "get out of my system"

I am just worried that when I am at an age where the girls are doing it for money (the 8s or especially 9s) that that will lose it's fun for me.

I OFTEN calculate how much less I'll have to offer physically at different age. What is it like at 50 and with a 25 year old? What is it like at 55 and with a 25 year old. Yes, I am considered a big catch there and in the US and there, but at that 55, I don't know what happens. If someone is doing just for the money, then the vast amount of the time, it just won't be the same.

You said a very important thing when you said that sleeping with, say 20 different girls, in a not too long period of time...it DOES give you a new outlook on life. One is that it makes me wonder how anyone could go through life and NOT do that.

But you know it is maybe somthing like compairing to somone who gets to travel on a private jet and stay and their dream hotels/resorts (remove thought of girls for a moment, maybe they just go with the regular girlfriend) for 2 months. Most of us never get that chance.

Wander Luster
09-25-06, 22:46
I've asked something similar in the past, but that was 2 years ago. I'm going to change some facts a little because I think they will help you all to give me unbiased advice.

I need to decide soon whether to divorce in which case I will be living and working in the phils about 10 months of the year where I own a biz. I doubt I would marry again. I'd be a player to at least some extent, although I'm not a drinker or someone that likes to show off materialistically.

My situation as it now stands...well you can read the below post. And/or assume the following:

1. I am married to someone that everyone seems to think is the sweetest, most beautiful thing. She is so NICE. That's part of what is disarming. She's a catch, but trouble is we are quite different. At the same time, all couples have to "work through" differences. Ours seem pretty big, although at the same time there is a very strong connection when we are not arguing.

2. We've been together about 5 years since we met. No children.

3. I CARE a lot about her and she about me. We will always care about each other. But man, we fight and bicker like hell much/most of the time. I am concerned about what might happen with her. She is sooo picky about guys, and really it makes no sense why she thought I was so much more unusual then a lot of other guys that would be interested in her. Again, she is a GOOD person, very few would deny that.

3A. If she doesn't find someone in the next few years and marry, she will be getting to an age were childbirth is a bit dangerous. But she and I can't do that I don't think because we are too unstable anyway in our relationship. she is not happy about marrying a guy who's already got a kid...does not want to be a step mom.

4. She is just not into sex. Is she good in bed? I guess, but mostly because of her great looks. More importantly, I'm not into the sex because there's something weird with me about sex and her. Maybe I'm just so damn turned on by the NEWness of screwing someone I've not been with for 5 years.

5. She LIKES sex and she likes it with me more than boyfriends she had. But, on a scale of 1-100, she would be as into sex as to place her at about number 10. For me I would be at about 90 compaired to guys (as would most of you :) .

6. I have a biz that would operate better if I lived in the Phils 10 months of the year.

7. Finances are important. I do not want to live there unless I have comfortable savings. I want to help people in the 3rd world, but given all the hard work I've done in the US, I do not want parts of my life to feel very 3rd world.

Actually, I've been there done that when traveling on the cheap in my 20s with little money. So the success of my company has a lot to do with whether I would want to be there 10 months of the year. I would say chances are 3/4 that the company would stay at a perfectly satisfactory level. They are 1 in 5 that it would go below my comfort level.

8. Very important: getting divorce has big consequence on your family when they all think your wife is a perfect catch and say things like a person wouldn't even MEET a person like her, let alone have her be interested. Of course they only see one side! There is another side that would drive many guys crazy and cause a lot of arguments.

So you all can be a big help. I have been on this board and another run by a guy who's first initial is B. I've been on both for close to 10 years.

Cheers

Spam Hog
09-26-06, 01:01
I've asked something similar in the past, but that was 2 years ago. I'm going to change some facts a little because I think they will help you all to give me unbiased advice.

I need to decide soon whether to divorce in which case I will be living and working in the phils about 10 months of the year where I own a biz. I doubt I would marry again. I'd be a player to at least some extent, although I'm not a drinker or someone that likes to show off materialistically.

My situation as it now stands...well you can read the below post. And/or assume the following:

1. I am married to someone that everyone seems to think is the sweetest, most beautiful thing. She is so NICE. That's part of what is disarming. She's a catch, but trouble is we are quite different. At the same time, all couples have to "work through" differences. Ours seem pretty big, although at the same time there is a very strong connection when we are not arguing.

2. We've been together about 5 years since we met. No children.

3. I CARE a lot about her and she about me. We will always care about each other. But man, we fight and bicker like hell much/most of the time. I am concerned about what might happen with her. She is sooo picky about guys, and really it makes no sense why she thought I was so much more unusual then a lot of other guys that would be interested in her. Again, she is a GOOD person, very few would deny that.

3A. If she doesn't find someone in the next few years and marry, she will be getting to an age were childbirth is a bit dangerous. But she and I can't do that I don't think because we are too unstable anyway in our relationship. she is not happy about marrying a guy who's already got a kid...does not want to be a step mom.

4. She is just not into sex. Is she good in bed? I guess, but mostly because of her great looks. More importantly, I'm not into the sex because there's something weird with me about sex and her. Maybe I'm just so damn turned on by the NEWness of screwing someone I've not been with for 5 years.

5. She LIKES sex and she likes it with me more than boyfriends she had. But, on a scale of 1-100, she would be as into sex as to place her at about number 10. For me I would be at about 90 compaired to guys (as would most of you :) .

6. I have a biz that would operate better if I lived in the Phils 10 months of the year.

7. Finances are important. I do not want to live there unless I have comfortable savings. I want to help people in the 3rd world, but given all the hard work I've done in the US, I do not want parts of my life to feel very 3rd world.

Actually, I've been there done that when traveling on the cheap in my 20s with little money. So the success of my company has a lot to do with whether I would want to be there 10 months of the year. I would say chances are 3/4 that the company would stay at a perfectly satisfactory level. They are 1 in 5 that it would go below my comfort level.

8. Very important: getting divorce has big consequence on your family when they all think your wife is a perfect catch and say things like a person wouldn't even MEET a person like her, let alone have her be interested. Of course they only see one side! There is another side that would drive many guys crazy and cause a lot of arguments.

So you all can be a big help. I have been on this board and another run by a guy who's first initial is B. I've been on both for close to 10 years.

Cheers


I guess I'll take a stab at this one as I've been married and divorced lived in the PI and other places in Asia so I suppose that qualifies me for my 2 cents.

I was married to a western woman for twenty years had two kids, a house, a cabin, a boat two cars and was a sucess in my job i suppose a "good husband" BTW me and the X had a GREAT sex life so I never felt the need to cheat on her (NOTE THIS POINT, WILL RETURN TO IT) but when my son turned 18 the X decided it was time to go her way, coulda knocked me over with a feather. So I retired, took my pension and went to work for a UN subcontractor in the worlds arm pit; E. Timor. Turned into a total monger, realized I wasted a great deal of my life with one woman, got it out of my system and Married a Filipina again, now I reside in third world luxury.

Lessons learned with women in general

No matter how "beautiful" she may be, educated and "Nice" it doesn't mean SHIT if you are not SEXUALLY COMPATABLE. Lets be honest, male sex drive is a powerful thing, if it wasn;t there wouldn;t be sites like this, if your "other" is on the same level as you then whatever else may be wrong in your life you are both satisfied in bed, when people are satisfied sexually there is less tension between them, less arguement and bickering in their lives. I may be reading into your post here but I get the imnpression that neither of you are sexualy compatible.

If you aren;t happy or satisfied in your marriage now, it will only get worse, as women get older they get bitchier, sex is less important for biological reasons that impacts on their psych (menopause). You sound like you are coming to the Phils to work and the wife will be in the US, seperation in a realtionship can only strain it, make no mistake, your wife knows exactly what you are gonna be doing over here she will argue and fight with you more over it, never let you forget it etc.

Finances: One MUST have an income to survive in Asia, yeah I know some guys work here and have successful businesses, if you have an established business great but by and large most guys live here are retired and draw a monthly pension, 401 K whatever as most businesses FAIL. So financially you may be able to cover your expenses easily, however I take it you still must support your wife "At home" how much does it cost to support her? Your mortgage etc. can you make more money in the US or will it average out with the cheap cost of living in the PI...do the math.

Depending where you stay in Asia you can live well on as little as $1000 a month, factor in more for manila due to rent etc.

My advise: If you don't get along get out, end it, don't waste your time. Do the honerable thing, a fair divorce settlement and uphold your end of the bargain then you are free to do what you want if there are no kids yet then this may be a good time to exit before there are, children complicate everything finacialy and emotionally.

Good luck


Spamhog

Wander Luster
09-26-06, 09:20
I guess I'll take a stab at this one as I've been married and divorced lived in the PI and other places in Asia so I suppose that qualifies me for my 2 cents.


Spamhog
Very good reasoning in your response, and the best part of all is that I think you said what I want to hear. I say THINK, because my whole life I've been a dreamer...always looking to "what's better and what's next".

And my big question is....do you feel like you need a soul-mate. I hate even using the word, but is life like yours (which sounds like what mine would be) "lonely". I think if I were living off too little money it would. But to be able to travel in SEA and have at least decent money to kick around. Well, that may bridge the gap.



No matter how "beautiful" she may be, educated and "Nice" it doesn't mean SHIT if you are not SEXUALLY COMPATABLE. Lets be honest, male sex drive is a powerful thing, if it wasn;t there wouldn;t be sites like this, if your "other" is on the same level as you then whatever else may be wrong in your life you are both satisfied in bed, when people are satisfied sexually there is less tension between them, less arguement and bickering in their lives. I may be reading into your post here but I get the imnpression that neither of you are sexualy compatible.
Spamhog
I don't think Sex is that much an extreme in a relationship for me. The girls that I've been with in the Phils as "girlfriends" I've been with 50% for their looks and great sex. But that was worse then a wife you love be around but rarely have sex with and instead J. off to a DVD now and then. BUT, having a new girlfriend every week or two at once and being honest that you're doing that, well that has been, when i've had time in the phils, the most enjoyable.





If you aren;t happy or satisfied in your marriage now, it will only get worse, as women get older they get bitchier, sex is less important for biological reasons that impacts on their psych (menopause). You sound like you are coming to the Phils to work and the wife will be in the US, seperation in a realtionship can only strain it, make no mistake, your wife knows exactly what you are gonna be doing over here she will argue and fight with you more over it, never let you forget it etc.


Spamhog

yea, the sex will only get worse. What i wonder is if the bickering will get worse. I've seen it both ways with other couples. Do we grow together or apart?

You further mentioned that if I'm over there then she will not like it and we'll grow apart. That's part of the problem. If I stay with her I will have to cut down on time over there. She is naive about me over there. But some day she will find out if I'm spending 3 months a year there, right? I can't imagine after 10 years her not finding out.

And you mention honorable. Well it feels a bit dis-honerable to say "bye" when this could be worked out somehow. But if she is a willing party, then that's different and is what is making this more possible. if I keep this company and even only go for 2 months a year and am fooling around...well that's what all Phil guys do...but for me it wouldn't sit so well I guess after many, many years. Some guys do it and I wouldn't put them down for it.

Financially, she's a career woman. Splitting might put me in a little bit of a better situation.

The bigger issue is that my company is quite large. i've gone into a lot of debt to build it to where it is. Now we are profitable. If it sinks, then I'm in pretty bad shape. But most of the money could be paid back over a long period of time because the debt comes from friends who would let me do that at low interest.

So worse case financially, I live more modestly than I ever have and start a small company-- maybe one out of a house with just a few IT guys working with me. I would make at least 2000K bare minimum a month while paying back debt over decades (earnings after debt payments). No children, no wife. My hightest paid employee there makes about 1000K a month. Pretty funny for me to think of earning even in the ballpark with him given how very low salaries and costs are in the Phils (out of Manila).

It all sounds fine, but this is a fine, fine person I'd be leaving. don't know if I'd ever find someone to be with that is such a great companion.

By the way, she didn't grow up in the US or Phils, but I won't say where.

I have an itch to live in the Phils and also work from the road in other countries. That's the other thing, I'm in IT, so I can do a lot of work from the road. Like Bankok road or Phnom Penh road.

All other suggestions more than welcome! Thanks Spamhog!

Dafacer
09-28-06, 02:28
Dude, you have no kids to complicate things, be VERY thankfull! It is real simple. Sell your belongings with her and SPLIT, GET THE FUCK OUT. Your one of the lucky ones.


I've asked something similar in the past, but that was 2 years ago. I'm going to change some facts a little because I think they will help you all to give me unbiased advice.

Cheers

Wander Luster
09-28-06, 08:50
Dude, you have no kids to complicate things, be VERY thankfull! It is real simple. Sell your belongings with her and SPLIT, GET THE FUCK OUT. Your one of the lucky ones.


That's what I'm beginning to move towards, and post from you guys have actually had an effect in that direction.

This is a woman no wise guy would say bye to easily. And with her age I'm not psyced about the posibility of leaving her child-less IF she decides that's what she wants.

This may end up being something I do to a degree out of selfish-ness. I never thought that would be the way.

GoodEnough
09-28-06, 11:44
Like the Spam Hog, I've been there and done that in the US and, like him, made a decision to alter my life radically by leaving it all behind and coming over here. Of course, prior to moving to the PI, I had spent approximately 6 months of my life on the road for 15 years, which is what probably created the problems with my US marriage in the first place. There's no cure apparently, for the infection of wanderlust.

I don't know how valid it is to generalize from my experience, but in my case I've come to realize that you can never quite have it all. Money is not the problem, but for me, the guilt never goes away entirely. Further, if you choose to live in SE Asia, you will never fit in quite as completely as you did in your native country. I lived in France for years, and I speak the language well. I never experienced any sense of "otherness" there. I guess it's because, though it wasn't the US, it was still the West, and there's a common cultural/social context to which I could relate. Asia is different and I (and you) will always be looked upon as a foreigner. Neither I, nor you, will ever fully understand the culture, the customs or the people and you will never find a woman with whom you can share the same thoughts, dreams and feelings as you could in your homeland. How could you? Your experiences are radically different, as are your education and your cultural roots.

That's the down side. The upside is obvious. You can live extremely well, and in most cases far better than you could in the US or Europe. No matter your age, if you're reasonably presentable, you can indulge yourself with an unending throng of young, beautiful women. If you get tired of endless women, you can, most likely, find a permanent relationship which is as different from your relationship in the US as night is from day. You can find someone who is utterly devoted to your care and well-being, who goes out of her way to please you, and who takes your happiness and comfort as the central focus of her life, while asking for little other than kindness and a reasonable standard of living in return. True, she (probably) will not be able to discuss the great books with you, and might not share your passion for any intellectual pursuit, but she will not mind at all if you find such needs met with expat friends wherever you're living.

To me, the upside usually outweighs the downside of the equation, but it's never a total "win-win" situation in the long haul. If my experience is at all common, you will always have some doubts, and may occassionally feel some guilt, never entirely banishing the "what if I had stayed" thoughts from your mind. On the other hand, if you decide to stay where you are, you're never going to entirely get rid of the "what if I had gone" thoughts either.

I don't regret the choice I've made, but I did want to point out that there are always nuances to the decision.

:D

GE

Mofo Monger
10-01-06, 10:34
Dear Fellow Mongers,

I will be doing my first trip to the Philippines in Feb. I only have one week there and hence have to pack in as much as I can in about a week.

My only requirement is I would like to spend some of my time there scuba diving. I was thinking of flying into Manila and spending a few days there and then taking a quick flight to Cebu and eventually fly out of there.

What are the girl quality/quantity & concentration in both cities. I appreciate all input.

Thanks

MM

Surfer
10-02-06, 03:54
Mofo: Diving near CEbu City sucks. Go tro Puerto Galera, mIndoro, about a 2 hour bus ride south of Manila to Batangas wherer you catch a boat for the 90 minute crossing. Sabang is the nightlife area and there are diive shops too.

Santa
10-02-06, 07:54
Dear Fellow Mongers,

I will be doing my first trip to the Philippines in Feb. I only have one week there and hence have to pack in as much as I can in about a week.

My only requirement is I would like to spend some of my time there scuba diving. I was thinking of flying into Manila and spending a few days there and then taking a quick flight to Cebu and eventually fly out of there.

What are the girl quality/quantity & concentration in both cities. I appreciate all input.

Thanks

MM

Since you are a tourist and only have one week, I think maybe you should try Boracay. It is very touristy but also has a lot to offer. Great beach, good diving, lots of bars, good restaurants and some discos. There are girls available but sometimes pickings are slim. You might find a girl in Manila you like and take her with you. There is an airport near Boracai.

Puerto Galera is ok too. Not as nice, some girls, less tourists. That's my opinion.

There is plenty of mongering in Cebu City but the good dive sights are very far away from the city and require a lot of travel time.

Of course, there are more girls available in Manila than in Cebu.

There are many remote and private beaches with great diving, but they are not good for a single guy looking for diving + pussy.

Thetsmplumber
10-02-06, 08:12
I took my former Quezon City sweetheart to Boracay and will agree with Santa, it's a nice place for diving, dining, drinking and debauchery (bring your own pinay). There are some 'freelance' girls to be had but I'm very glad I had mine with me.

Boracay is the 'holy grail' for Filipinos as most never get the chance to go there.

Speaking further as a one-time visitor to the PI myself, I'd say don't miss spending at least 2 nights in Angeles City. As Boracay is to Filipinos, AC's the 'holy grail' for 24/7 mongering in Asia.

If your past monger experience(s) have sharpened your 'spidey senses,' I bet you'll find an AC sweety fit for a Boracay trip with you. I'd also bet she'd love you for it, especially if she's not been there before.

SeaAir now offers daily direct flights from AC to Boracay. Check with an online travel service serving Asia (Beeline Travel comes to mind) and by all means enjoy your first PI trip!

Just my nickels worth.

Mr. Plumber


Dear Fellow Mongers,

I will be doing my first trip to the Philippines in Feb. I only have one week there and hence have to pack in as much as I can in about a week.

My only requirement is I would like to spend some of my time there scuba diving. I was thinking of flying into Manila and spending a few days there and then taking a quick flight to Cebu and eventually fly out of there.

What are the girl quality/quantity & concentration in both cities. I appreciate all input.

Thanks

MM

Mofo Monger
10-02-06, 08:27
So do you guys think me staying in Manila is good for the week and just do the short trips/dive spots from there?

Santa
10-02-06, 15:49
So do you guys think me staying in Manila is good for the week and just do the short trips/dive spots from there?

No, there are no good "short trips/dive spots from Manila. Puerto Gallera can be reached by bus but it is a long ride, don't remember how many hours. There are some girls available and no need for an air ticket, so Gallera may be your better option.

I would not recommend Angeles, but that is just my opinion. However, if you can get a cheap flight into Angeles and a flight from there to Boracay, then that might be a good option.

Angeles is a bunch of old bars with very experienced bargirls. Many of them have had more pricks than the old dartboards. Nothing wrong with that, just want you to know what to expect. Some guys love it! I enjoyed it but I have no desire to return. You might find a good companion there.

I think it's better to bring your own girl if you go to Boracay. The local authorities like to keep the hookers away, they want it to be more family oriented.

There is a tourist information center in Boracay with safety deposit boxes.

Tbm Fan
10-02-06, 22:50
Dear Fellow Mongers,

I will be doing my first trip to the Philippines in Feb. I only have one week there and hence have to pack in as much as I can in about a week.

My only requirement is I would like to spend some of my time there scuba diving. I was thinking of flying into Manila and spending a few days there and then taking a quick flight to Cebu and eventually fly out of there.

What are the girl quality/quantity & concentration in both cities. I appreciate all input.

Thanks

MMIf you really want to do some diving and it is not too far away then Puerto Galera is the only place within reason. Forget Cebu and forget Boracay as they are both boring in the diving area. Diving on flat sandy bottoms is not of interest to me. Galera has much better diving and the place has improved since I first dove there in 1994. Lots of waste from dynamite fishing. My last dive there (2005) showed a dramatic improvement in the underwater landscape. You can dive flat areas or do wall diving down as far as you can safely handle. Do day diving or night diving, your choice.

As far as Angeles is concerned the earlier statement seems to be an overstatement. Older bars depends if you are talking in existence for 1 year or 15 years. Most fall in the new 2000 and up years. Very experienced girls? Don't think I would call an 18-20 year old experienced especially when compared to her Makati sisters. Off the top of my head I would have to say that more than half the girls have been in AC 6 months or less. Most have a shelf life of 1 year based on whether they get a money-ko, burn out fast or simply move on. This is based on being there at leat every 5 months or so since 1990 and I am always hard pressed to find the same girls twice in a row.

Santa
10-03-06, 04:21
If you really want to do some diving and it is not too far away then Puerto Galera is the only place within reason. Forget Cebu and forget Boracay as they are both boring in the diving area. Diving on flat sandy bottoms is not of interest to me. Galera has much better diving and the place has improved since I first dove there in 1994. Lots of waste from dynamite fishing. My last dive there (2005) showed a dramatic improvement in the underwater landscape. You can dive flat areas or do wall diving down as far as you can safely handle. Do day diving or night diving, your choice.

As far as Angeles is concerned the earlier statement seems to be an overstatement. Older bars depends if you are talking in existence for 1 year or 15 years. Most fall in the new 2000 and up years. Very experienced girls? Don't think I would call an 18-20 year old experienced especially when compared to her Makati sisters. Off the top of my head I would have to say that more than half the girls have been in AC 6 months or less. Most have a shelf life of 1 year based on whether they get a money-ko, burn out fast or simply move on. This is based on being there at leat every 5 months or so since 1990 and I am always hard pressed to find the same girls twice in a row.

The diving in Boracay is not good, but also not all bad. It is good for new divers and there is a wall called Yapak. But Boracay also has the beautiful white-sand beach and some nightlife, so it's good for a one week tourist.

It has been several years since I was in Angeles. Sounds like business is very good and things have improved. Probably because the airport is busy with lots of new flights. When I was in Angeles the airport was closed and the bars were not busy.

Tiger 888
10-03-06, 05:20
The diving in Boracay is not good, but also not all bad, there is a wall called Yapak. But it also has the beautiful white-sand beach and some nightlife.

It has been several years since I was in Angeles. Sounds like business is good and things have improved.
Well, Yapak if good visibility is a very nice dive site (Its just if there is current you got to be quite precise in dropping off and go staight down), and also Crocodile. And a night dive at the wreck is not bad either.

Surfer
10-03-06, 05:55
yapak is 40 meters so short bottom time (under 10 minutes) to be expected. basically race down the anchor line to the reef, short time with strong currrent and soso lighting day i was there and it is not great for pi.

if mofo is serious about diving, bohol's balicasag is reliably much more impressive imho. some girls available in tagbilaran town, and bohol is famous for beautiful girls, but probably better to bring one overnight from cebu on the waterjet (high speed ferry) unless you have lots of time and /or game.

Tbm Fan
10-03-06, 06:46
The diving in Boracay is not good, but also not all bad. It is good for new divers and there is a wall called Yapak. But Boracay also has the beautiful white-sand beach and some nightlife, so it's good for a one week tourist.

It has been several years since I was in Angeles. Sounds like business is very good and things have improved. Probably because the airport is busy with lots of new flights. So Angeles fans, don't get mad at me, I was only giving my opinion and trying help.For example the bar to go to is Nero's at the moment. Tons, and I mean tons, of girls working there (reminds me of Superstar in Ermita) along with Martin the manager. If anyone had the luck of visiting Martin, while at Wild West/Geronimos in Makati, back in 2000-01 then you know what I mean. That place was rockin every night I was in there. Neros is a larger stage for him but already he is working on the girls to change their attitudes if you know what I mean. I will be in Wild West & Flamingo on the 13th followed by Roadhouse (my booze is there) and Nero's on the 14th.

Santa
10-03-06, 08:02
if mofo is serious about diving, bohol's balicasag is reliably much more impressive imho. some girls available in tagbilaran town, and bohol is famous for beautiful girls, but probably better to bring one overnight from cebu on the waterjet (high speed ferry) unless you have lots of time and /or game.

i have also been there and agree with surfer. if you skip manila and angeles, fly straight into cebu, then bohol becomes a third option. depends on if mofo is more interested in diving or more interested in party and girls.

not many girl options in tagbilaran so look for a girl in cebu. unfortunately, he only has one week.

Santa
10-03-06, 08:07
There was a young woman named Melanie
Who was asked by a man, "Do you sell any?"
She replied, "No, siree"
I give it for free.
To sell it, dear sir, is a felony!" :D

My name is Jose Rodriguez
I earn tres pesos a day
I give it to Lucy
She give me some pussy
And takes my pesos away :(

X Man
10-03-06, 14:03
Surfer said "waterjet". He may have meant "ocean jet". If I recall, it's about 90 min ride from Cebu to Bohol.

http://www.oceanjet.net/

X

Spam Hog
10-04-06, 08:06
Wander:

Sorry about not getting back to you but I was in Hong Kong & Macau with the Mrs spending all my money etc. Anyhow a belated reply re your decision and a few of my cockeyed philosophies:


And my big question is....do you feel like you need a soul-mate. I hate even using the word, but is life like yours (which sounds like what mine would be) "lonely". I think if I were living off too little money it would. But to be able to travel in SEA and have at least decent money to kick around. Well, that may bridge the gap.

To sum up, every body needs somebody, we are genetically engineered to
seek a mate, sow our genes and pass them on just like a bull among cows.
Thats nature, now what seperates us from animals (Or from some mongers on this board he he he) is our need to be with one person, raise a family, care for that family and provide for them. It depends on how you were raised, I came from Irish working class stock, coal miners and grew up in western Penna in the fifties and sixties. Divorce came hard for me, I understand that it can be a scary thing even for us big tough guys, the feasr of the unknown is what is holding you back, it was for me and Im not ashamed to admidt it, thought I could salvage a marriage but I couldn't and didn't. leaving my culture and dwelling among strange peoples was equally scary but here is where the "swashbuckler" theory comes in, read on and I'll explain.

"I have an itch to live in the Phils and also work from the road in other countries. That's the other thing, I'm in IT, so I can do a lot of work from the road. Like Bankok road or Phnom Penh road."

All other suggestions more than welcome! Thanks Spamhog![/QUOTE]


AHA!!! A fellow swashbuckler!!!! Yes wander you are what the SH calls a Swashbuckler, (Like most of the people on this board!) Do you read? Well get ahold of James Mitchner (Spelling?) Author of "Hawaii" and read his book
"Rogues and rascals in Paradise" He chronicles true storys of our forebearers the original expats who first came to Asia through and after WW2.

You see, I agree with the authors acessment that some men yearn to live among alien people in "tropical paradise" setting, a place on the beach with a warm, willing, uninhibited brown woman. To adventure, the conquest that is what drives us, not just laying LBFM but the whole experience, business the desire to succeed against a culture that is against you, earn fantastic wealth just like the early "yankee traders" who set foot on stange lands and wrested
a fortune from it , damn all risk and danger. Nowadays we dont get on a ship and stuff a cutlass in our belts we come here armed with credit cards and
western inginuity using the skills we learned in our world to get by and profit in this one. It takes balls Wander, just to live here but once you do you weill see the kick you get from it.

The phils is centrally locted and you can always hop on a plane and go to bangkok for a hoot in nanplaza or "the png" or even to singapore with it high brow mongering or to hongkong and stay out all night in "the Wanch"

Get over your fears, muster your finances, work out a plan and do it!

Good luck


Spamhog

Titmouse
10-08-06, 03:42
man, what a ride!

i'm too tired still to write up my adventures in detail, but i visited manila, olangapo, angeles city, cebu, zamboanga, and davao in the two weeks between 9/14 and 9/29.

(for those who don't know yet, la cafe is back in business. i checked it at 4 pm, 9 pm and 8 am. do-ables at all hours.)

nearly all my plans worked out. pal threw me a curve ball by changing the familiar two-hop flight with a stop in hawaii into a non-stop, which meant the flight left an hour later and arrived almost two hours earlier. i walked out of aquino international at 5:15 am, so i decided to skip my first date and head to angeles city. hopped a cab and grabbed a bus. first time i'd done that. it worked out fine.

checked into hotel hana, then went to club rio, which was hard to find because it's on a side street back from garfields, and wound up having a two-party sample in the corner booth, switching girls from time to time -- one sampling and one kissing me with my finger in her. it was an incredible experience but wound up costing me because one of them scraped me with her teeth and left me wounded for days. later, i met a really cute girl at dr holm's out on perimeter and had a great time with her. nice substitute for my original first.

then up to olangapo where i was too tired and sore to party but the bars of barrio barretto had plenty of low-key candidates and good prices. stayed at the blue rock. the floating bar is not all year, it turns out. it will be back in october they said. went back to angeles city and back on plan. met my friend from a previous visit. she was a great lay and a little bit of a disappointment. she wasn't in love with me, after all, just nostalgic. oh well. i dropped her after one night and grabbed my cutie from dr. holm's again.

on to cebu and on with the plan. met this sweet, 20-year-old correspondent who came with aunt and niece as chaperones. auntie was very understanding. we all had a great time going out to eat and taking a tour of cebu. also had plenty of time alone with the sweetie. i could have but didn't, but did everything else. stayed at the montebello villa and it was a perfect, somewhat out of the way location. not monger central and not cheap, but very nice.

flew down to zamboanga to meet another correspondent who was this odd mix of experience and inexperience. she claimed i was her second, and she was tight enough for me to believe it. yet she had this natural easy way that was one of the most comfortable experiences i've ever had with a woman. just naturally sexy in her entire being. she had me sit next to the tub while she bathed, and it was an incredibly intimate experience. unfortunately, she's not very pretty and her family environment is a complete mess.

in davao, i talked with goodenough, who was good enough to give me some pointers. unfortunately, he had to leave on business and couldn't join me for dinner. i roamed around the first night, had dinner at de bonte koe, checked out hot legs (or is it lips) too, wound up picking up a street girl near gound zero. she was so cute and bouncy and nice i couldn't believe it. also had the nicest set of lungs i've personally inspected in the philippines.

next afternoon, my last correspondent rolled in, and my oh my what a sweetie she was. i didn't really expect to sleep with her (and was tired enough i didn't care) but wound up doing it three times counting the next morning. oh, what a lovely girl. i'm ready to run away with her.

so that's it in brief. naysayers on the value of cherry blossoms may be revealing more about themselves than anything else. yes, it's easier and less involving to rent your pussy. i agree entirely. this was an experiment that paid off in advance entertainment and some wonderful, real, sweet, entertaining involvement, not to mention some great sex. my only problem now is how to weed them down. i may have to disappear.

titmouse

Wander Luster
10-08-06, 09:32
Wander:

Sorry about not getting back to you but I was in Hong Kong & Macau with the Mrs spending all my money etc. Anyhow a belated reply re your decision and a few of my cockeyed philosophies:


And my big question is....do you feel like you need a soul-mate. I hate even using the word, but is life like yours (which sounds like what mine would be) "lonely". I think if I were living off too little money it would. But to be able to travel in SEA and have at least decent money to kick around. Well, that may bridge the gap.

To sum up, every body needs somebody, we are genetically engineered to
seek a mate, sow our genes and pass them on just like a bull among cows.
Thats nature, now what seperates us from animals (Or from some mongers on this board he he he) is our need to be with one person, raise a family, care for that family and provide for them. It depends on how you were raised, I came from Irish working class stock, coal miners and grew up in western Penna in the fifties and sixties. Divorce came hard for me, I understand that it can be a scary thing even for us big tough guys, the feasr of the unknown is what is holding you back, it was for me and Im not ashamed to admidt it, thought I could salvage a marriage but I couldn't and didn't. leaving my culture and dwelling among strange peoples was equally scary but here is where the "swashbuckler" theory comes in, read on and I'll explain.

"I have an itch to live in the Phils and also work from the road in other countries. That's the other thing, I'm in IT, so I can do a lot of work from the road. Like Bankok road or Phnom Penh road."

All other suggestions more than welcome! Thanks Spamhog!


AHA!!! A fellow swashbuckler!!!! Yes wander you are what the SH calls a Swashbuckler, (Like most of the people on this board!) Do you read? Well get ahold of James Mitchner (Spelling?) Author of "Hawaii" and read his book
"Rogues and rascals in Paradise" He chronicles true storys of our forebearers the original expats who first came to Asia through and after WW2.

You see, I agree with the authors acessment that some men yearn to live among alien people in "tropical paradise" setting, a place on the beach with a warm, willing, uninhibited brown woman. To adventure, the conquest that is what drives us, not just laying LBFM but the whole experience, business the desire to succeed against a culture that is against you, earn fantastic wealth just like the early "yankee traders" who set foot on stange lands and wrested
a fortune from it , damn all risk and danger. Nowadays we dont get on a ship and stuff a cutlass in our belts we come here armed with credit cards and
western inginuity using the skills we learned in our world to get by and profit in this one. It takes balls Wander, just to live here but once you do you weill see the kick you get from it.

The phils is centrally locted and you can always hop on a plane and go to bangkok for a hoot in nanplaza or "the png" or even to singapore with it high brow mongering or to hongkong and stay out all night in "the Wanch"

Get over your fears, muster your finances, work out a plan and do it!

Good luck


Spamhog[/QUOTE]


It's 4:15AM but I feel like a prick for taking so long to reply so at least something now and something later.

Spamhog, most of what I've had in "support" or the decision to split is "no, no, no" from family. Hearing your words of encourgement have been a very large help. They've made this a more BALANCED decision.

A friend from Taiwan said to me the other day "I hear you can live like a King in Cebu". I almost spat my food out. He was referring to things other than woman....cause I'm married now...but I am going to push through and get seperated. Then he will see it's nothing to do with being like a king. It's being a fuking SULTAN.

I also recall someone somewhere saying something to the effect that "marraige is for people that are not financially wealthy". Right now I'm not rich in the USA, but give me 1 more year of my IT work in the Phils, and with the costs there I will be rich. That being the case, and given that I've never had trouble getting girls anywhere anyway, why would I not want to spend my extra time with two girls wrapped around me, 15 years younger than me, on a beach that makes anywhere near my 1/2 respectible east coast USA city look like hell. (I've got Bohol in my miind right now).

I do come from a family where the "alternative" lifestyle of moving to a 3rd world country and staying divorced is an odd thing. There are no Playboys anywhere in my family...well they play with there wives and but they all work hard as hell and are well behaved. I'm going to be working hard also and other than my woman cravings have no real "vices", so other guys in my family will be a sorry sort in the "playing" department. Plus, I've already been to about 30 countries in SEA and Latin America (on the cheap when I was younger). No relative I know has done anything like that.

What makes this all easier is that my wife is not 100% good about the marriage. We're very different even though we truly will wish each other the best and even watch over each other. I haven't said anything final...but we're going to be making a semi-mutual decision in the next few weeks. And my decision is now final.

I'm so excited I can hardly contain myself. I know my company will finally make good money once I'm acually THERE. I've already got a year-round working visa. When I have total freedom, I'm going to travel my ass of with a laptop that has free-very cheap voice over the internet. I'm going to be ALL over SEA for a good 2 months.

Yea, I'm afraid "the grass is greener" is what is really going through me now...but I don't think so. The worste part of this will be having to answer questions from relatives as to why we seperated since we were supposedly such a great couple (who the fuk knows if a couple is great unless you've got their home wired!)

Hope to meet some of you since my 4-5 months over there will soon be about 10 a year.

Cheers.

Cebu Local
10-08-06, 11:54
I can only wish you all the best in your decision to try life in the Visayas.But I want to warn you Its not going to be a bed of roses.You will need to work hard and have a bit of luck.Basically though Cebu has become a little too small for me,That is why I started exploring Business oppurtunities in Manila ,Davao and China.
But you will be able to live extremely well in Cebu for a fraction of what it would cost in North America.To cite my personal example,My brothers graduated with MBA s from Stanford and MIT and opted to work for Multinationals for six figure salaries.But even with those salaries and the cost of living in San Francisco and New York.They have much lower standards of living then I do.I opted to follow the path of the entreprenuer and am the only one without an ivy league MBA.But again I feel the need for challenge,since doing business in Cebu no longer challenges me.Spam Hog hit it on the nail,that it takes a Swashbuckler personality to try a different path then your kith and kin.Growing up in a well off family in Vancouver should have geared me to a safe path with a Multinational company,But I found life too boring in Canada and that is what brought me to the PI to try my luck here.Good luck and Best Wishes on following the path less trodden.

HenryV
10-08-06, 16:01
Greetings from one former coal-cracker to another. Comforting to know some of us made it out.


Wander:

Sorry about not getting back to you but I was in Hong Kong & Macau with the Mrs spending all my money etc. Anyhow a belated reply re your decision and a few of my cockeyed philosophies:


And my big question is....do you feel like you need a soul-mate. I hate even using the word, but is life like yours (which sounds like what mine would be) "lonely". I think if I were living off too little money it would. But to be able to travel in SEA and have at least decent money to kick around. Well, that may bridge the gap.

To sum up, every body needs somebody, we are genetically engineered to
seek a mate, sow our genes and pass them on just like a bull among cows.
Thats nature, now what seperates us from animals (Or from some mongers on this board he he he) is our need to be with one person, raise a family, care for that family and provide for them. It depends on how you were raised, I came from Irish working class stock, coal miners and grew up in western Penna in the fifties and sixties. Divorce came hard for me, I understand that it can be a scary thing even for us big tough guys, the feasr of the unknown is what is holding you back, it was for me and Im not ashamed to admidt it, thought I could salvage a marriage but I couldn't and didn't. leaving my culture and dwelling among strange peoples was equally scary but here is where the "swashbuckler" theory comes in, read on and I'll explain.

"I have an itch to live in the Phils and also work from the road in other countries. That's the other thing, I'm in IT, so I can do a lot of work from the road. Like Bankok road or Phnom Penh road."

All other suggestions more than welcome! Thanks Spamhog!


AHA!!! A fellow swashbuckler!!!! Yes wander you are what the SH calls a Swashbuckler, (Like most of the people on this board!) Do you read? Well get ahold of James Mitchner (Spelling?) Author of "Hawaii" and read his book
"Rogues and rascals in Paradise" He chronicles true storys of our forebearers the original expats who first came to Asia through and after WW2.

You see, I agree with the authors acessment that some men yearn to live among alien people in "tropical paradise" setting, a place on the beach with a warm, willing, uninhibited brown woman. To adventure, the conquest that is what drives us, not just laying LBFM but the whole experience, business the desire to succeed against a culture that is against you, earn fantastic wealth just like the early "yankee traders" who set foot on stange lands and wrested
a fortune from it , damn all risk and danger. Nowadays we dont get on a ship and stuff a cutlass in our belts we come here armed with credit cards and
western inginuity using the skills we learned in our world to get by and profit in this one. It takes balls Wander, just to live here but once you do you weill see the kick you get from it.

The phils is centrally locted and you can always hop on a plane and go to bangkok for a hoot in nanplaza or "the png" or even to singapore with it high brow mongering or to hongkong and stay out all night in "the Wanch"

Get over your fears, muster your finances, work out a plan and do it!

Good luck


Spamhog[/QUOTE]

Wander Luster
10-09-06, 08:28
I can only wish you all the best in your decision to try life in the Visayas.But I want to warn you Its not going to be a bed of roses.You will need to work hard and have a bit of luck.Basically though Cebu has become a little too small for me,That is why I started exploring Business oppurtunities in Manila ,Davao and China.
But you will be able to live extremely well in Cebu for a fraction of what it would cost in North America.To cite my personal example,My brothers graduated with MBA s from Stanford and MIT and opted to work for Multinationals for six figure salaries.But even with those salaries and the cost of living in San Francisco and New York.They have much lower standards of living then I do.I opted to follow the path of the entreprenuer and am the only one without an ivy league MBA.But again I feel the need for challenge,since doing business in Cebu no longer challenges me.Spam Hog hit it on the nail,that it takes a Swashbuckler personality to try a different path then your kith and kin.Growing up in a well off family in Vancouver should have geared me to a safe path with a Multinational company,But I found life too boring in Canada and that is what brought me to the PI to try my luck here.Good luck and Best Wishes on following the path less trodden.


CB,

I've always admired and learned a ton from all the great advise you've given on this board. Actually, I think you and I have a lot in common. Your family situation and mine is the same. As far as Cebu being too small, that's why I will be working on the road a lot. I can work from other cities for months at a time if I want and be in touch with my office.

Also, I'm "on an island" there work-wise. My office may as well be in a bubble there. All the work I do is for US IT clients. My only work interaction in cebu is with employees-- who I enjoy very much.

I do zero business in Cebu itself.

"life to boringing Canada....". Same for me. I just can't imagine a life in the suburbs with the picket fence and the contsraints and lack of freedom.

I'm looking forware to meeting you sometime. I bet i've seen you after spending 12 of the past 24 hours there. I'll be doing a lot of travel from Cebu, so I would look forward to buying some plaine tickes to other gems of the world like Bangkok and Phnom Pehn.

Cheers.

Spam Hog
10-09-06, 10:15
Somewhere else on this board I told one of the brethern who I thought was interested in moving to the Phils permanently that one could live like a "fuedal warlord", I was quite suprised at his response which included vilification heaped upon yours truly and others, but since I appear to be dealing with sane ration people here let me repeat:

In the Philippines and in most of Asia one with a western "income" be it pension, 401 K or just doing well in business can live like a Fuedal warlord. Servants, high walls, security subdivisions, people treating you like you are special even though your just another Joe average.

Just a note, the Spamhog lives on a generous US pension, dabbles in "consulting" here and there and sometimes plays the US stock market (Experimenting in the Philippines stock exchange lately also). Of all the worries I have, those financial are the LEAST, how many of the brethern living in the Western world can say that??? I have a very good lifestyle indeed. Just finished a tour of Hong Kong and Macau with my lady, had a great time, now thinking about Thailand after the first of the year.

But as Cebu local says, it aint all a bed of Roses, there IS A DOWNSIDE. Having lived, worked and mongered in Davao, Cagayan De Oro and now living in CEBU I must say there are things I miss about the good ol US, so it is a trade off.

Yes the ladies are the main atttraction and dont take this wrong but after a while the mongering lifestyle appeals to those who first arrive here but after awhile the novelty wears off and you will be looking for some stability. But first you must play around so Wander luster and the rest of you guys by all means visit and enjoy the PI but also use it as a central base from which to launch your mongering operations to Thailand, Singapore and Hong kong.

PS Wander luster if you do get to the Phils and want to have a sit down, just PM me and I'll give you my digits, I now reside in Cebu and I suggest you look into the place, better by far than Manila, lots of growth potential for new businesses of ANY sort and an international airport, cost of living cheaper than Manila too.

PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!

To HORSE! HAHHAHAHA! (Or is it "horse style"???)


The Spamhog

Steve74
10-11-06, 06:30
SpamHog,

When you say that someone with a "western income" can live like a feudal warlord, how much income are you talking about? I'm thinking about moving to the PI sometime in the future & although I make a pretty good income in the U.S. & have a 401k and a little other savings, I don't have a fortune saved up. I wouldn't need to live like a king, but would like to live decently & I wonder how much monthly or yearly I might need somewhere like Cebu. Obviously, it would depend on how much you spend, but if you or anyone else can give me any rough ideas, I'd appreciate it.


Somewhere else on this board I told one of the brethern who I thought was interested in moving to the Phils permanently that one could live like a "fuedal warlord", I was quite suprised at his response which included vilification heaped upon yours truly and others, but since I appear to be dealing with sane ration people here let me repeat:

In the Philippines and in most of Asia one with a western "income" be it pension, 401 K or just doing well in business can live like a Fuedal warlord. Servants, high walls, security subdivisions, people treating you like you are special even though your just another Joe average.

Just a note, the Spamhog lives on a generous US pension, dabbles in "consulting" here and there and sometimes plays the US stock market (Experimenting in the Philippines stock exchange lately also). Of all the worries I have, those financial are the LEAST, how many of the brethern living in the Western world can say that??? I have a very good lifestyle indeed. Just finished a tour of Hong Kong and Macau with my lady, had a great time, now thinking about Thailand after the first of the year.

But as Cebu local says, it aint all a bed of Roses, there IS A DOWNSIDE. Having lived, worked and mongered in Davao, Cagayan De Oro and now living in CEBU I must say there are things I miss about the good ol US, so it is a trade off.

Yes the ladies are the main atttraction and dont take this wrong but after a while the mongering lifestyle appeals to those who first arrive here but after awhile the novelty wears off and you will be looking for some stability. But first you must play around so Wander luster and the rest of you guys by all means visit and enjoy the PI but also use it as a central base from which to launch your mongering operations to Thailand, Singapore and Hong kong.

PS Wander luster if you do get to the Phils and want to have a sit down, just PM me and I'll give you my digits, I now reside in Cebu and I suggest you look into the place, better by far than Manila, lots of growth potential for new businesses of ANY sort and an international airport, cost of living cheaper than Manila too.

PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!

To HORSE! HAHHAHAHA! (Or is it "horse style"???)

The Spamhog

Ekspat
10-11-06, 07:21
PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!
The Spamhog

Sorry for foolish question, but what the heck is a "swashbuckler"?
Me from Europe, never heard the word........ Some US or Aussie slang word?
Cheers!

Cebu Local
10-11-06, 14:27
Sorry for foolish question, but what the heck is a "swashbuckler"?
Me from Europe, never heard the word........ Some US or Aussie slang word?
Cheers!Its a synonym for PIRATE.You know seeking adventure,wenches,treasure etc.

Cebu Local
10-11-06, 14:33
SpamHog,

When you say that someone with a "western income" can live like a feudal warlord, how much income are you talking about? I'm thinking about moving to the PI sometime in the future & although I make a pretty good income in the U.S. & have a 401k and a little other savings, I don't have a fortune saved up. I wouldn't need to live like a king, but would like to live decently & I wonder how much monthly or yearly I might need somewhere like Cebu. Obviously, it would depend on how much you spend, but if you or anyone else can give me any rough ideas, I'd appreciate it.Here you can live reasonably well for 1000 dollars a month.Heres a breakdown rent 100 dollars for a decent apartment,40 dollars maids salary for 1 month,Cost of eating out DAILY for Lunch and Dinner at Midrange restaurants 100 -120 dollars.Girl on Junquera 10 dollars,Girl at bar 20-30 dollars,Beer at a Bar sixty cents.Massage at a Spa 5 dollars.Have fun

Spam Hog
10-12-06, 06:22
Here you can live reasonably well for 1000 dollars a month.Heres a breakdown rent 100 dollars for a decent apartment,40 dollars maids salary for 1 month,Cost of eating out DAILY for Lunch and Dinner at Midrange restaurants 100 -120 dollars.Girl on Junquera 10 dollars,Girl at bar 20-30 dollars,Beer at a Bar sixty cents.Massage at a Spa 5 dollars.Have fun


Perhaps Earl Flynn exemplified hollywoods version of a "swashbuckler" and coined the term in reference to his movies meaning anything but dull and usually colorful, full of action etc, however, some say his private life was more ribal,exciting, exhuberant and well... anyhow a few technical answers.

Regarding income and living large it depends on what you consider extravagant also, as any real estate agent will tell you Location, location, location. So here are a few figures from different areas. Please NOTE all theese number are DIRRECTLY RELATED TO YOUR BIGGEST EXPENSE: THE RENT!!! so here goes.

A. DAVAO CITY. Retired, disabled, lives on social security of about $1,200 a month, rents a house P 12,000 a month which is "Foreigner grade" amenities including hot water heater) has a nice wife and two kids. She drives him around in a little van, Lives very well considering he was living in his parents basement three years ago.

B. DAVAO CITY, Retired, Social security $1,100, NO SAVINGS, married young wife just had a baby, bought a house for P 1.3 mil. furnished, nice, guy is a master chef his kitchen looks like something martha STuart would whip up a meal in.

C. Cagayan De oro, US Military Disabled, I estimate around $2500 a month. His rent is cheap around P5000 a month for a three BR Apartment. Bought his wife a car, Guys drinks a lot too.

D. Know a Aussie in CDO who just bought a nice house near the new SM mall paid around 2 Mil P for it, place looks like a palace, Big Screen TV etc.

E. Guy in Butuan runs a small fishing trading business, wife owns a beauty parlor, claims he lives entirely on his income from the fish, I estimate about P30,000 a month saves his pension to go back to Aussie land every year.

E. CEbU, break down of Bills etc.

Most rents here range from Cheap (P 7,500 for an efficiency apartment) to rather expensive like P25,000 for a two story house and lot some Expat US is advertising completely furnished. I rent a nice house in a Guarded subdivision for P14,000 a month. Prices to rent or buy are a little more here, compared to Davao city and CDO. Rents and buys are cheaper in Mandaue or Lapu Lapu city but not that much.

MY BILLS:

Electricity P1200 to P2,000 a month depending on AC and computer use

Cable. P690 a month, Phone (PLDT) P720 unless I start making long distance to the US without using a phone card, Water (Bi monthly) P366.

Some other expenses: Drinking water P180 A month,
Cell phone: Me negligable Mrs Spamhog who texts the world about P1000 a month. Insurance for Car P8,500 a year. Gym Fees P 800 to P1000 a month.

FOOD: Here is the big variable, gnetleman I like my US cereal and campbelss soup etc. This is my largest expense outside of Rent, Also a varienace on entertainment depending onwhat you like to do. I dont drink or smoke, usually take the Mrs out dancing every so often, somethimes go to Casino Filipino or visit a nice resturaunt like the tinderbox where I can get western food, Movies of course.

Cut through all the BS and My monthly expenses come to around P60,000 a month. My expenses in Davao were a bit less. This includes a stipend of course to needy relatives and Nieces nursing school. Yeah YOU are gonna end up paying the relative tax here IF you got a steady GF or wife so get used to it!

Hope this helps, I imagine Manila expenses are gonna be more.

Spamhog

John Dust
10-12-06, 08:33
Cut through all the BS and My monthly expenses come to around P60,000 a month. My expenses in Davao were a bit less. This includes a stipend of course to needy relatives and Nieces nursing school. Yeah YOU are gonna end up paying the relative tax here IF you got a steady GF or wife so get used to it!

Hope this helps, I imagine Manila expenses are gonna be more.

SpamhogThat was very helpful. It seems that living expenses in Cebu / Davao are 20% to 25% of those which one would incur in Canada.

Wander Luster
10-12-06, 08:58
Here's my take on some costs:

Best deals are service related:

Haircut is I about $1 for same as a $15 cut in usa.
Legit message is one of best deals...yep, $5 and I recomment a GUY and let him be a little on the rougher side (wear some body armor around private parts if your scared). I go to Body and Sol, and so should you. When a woman does it I there I tend to get a woody which can be frustrating because I don't even think you could get a hand-job at any of Body and Sol.

I paid a crazy low price for a beutiful 1 bedroom fully furnished...forget maybe $220 8 minute drive to Ayala. Maid came once a week. Adorable 20 year old lived with the family that owned the building and washed clothes. Would have loved to bone her, but they already saw me come home with different girls all the time and someone might have gotten pissed at me.

On another note, the best peice of advice I have is do outsourcing! Doesn't matter what the scale is. Point is if you have contact in the US you can save them money by have the work done in the phils and be giving work and better pay to someone that reallllllly needs it.

Think of simple computer work for example. be the go between for 1 or more small businesses and people in cebu. run an ad to recruit people (and if you can't hire them they might end up wanting to sleep with you). Office is your home or Net cafe if you want.

A 1/4 page ad in the mostly highly read sunday employment section, sun star, is about $125. Interviews in cafe...that's what i did before signing office space.

With an ad like that you could easily get 200 applicants for siimple computer work. NETWORK this way. Just don't BS, because you don't want people getting pissed off at you.

By the way, it's been asked a million times I'm sure, but what do you all think the ASEAN summit will do for real estate investment? It will bring a lot of new biz to cebu and make the city more prosperous. Will also bring new RE investors with the new jobs.

Is there any kind of buble there now? I wouldn't be wanting to buy for another 6-12 months.

How do condo and housing costs in good areas compare to in average places in US? I guess on average about 60K for a nice "foreigner" 1 bedroom condo in cebu....something like that. Haven't looked at houses yet but I think 150K could buy a pretty nice house that would be 300K in US in a very average US neighborhood?

Martians
10-12-06, 09:44
Interesting post. Comparing posters on the Philippines thread with those on the Argentina thread, there seems to be no equivalent of Dickhead. I mean no one seems to go native or near native price wise.

Your first mate, $1,200 a month, that would be big money in Davao. Why can he not live on half of that, keeping the other half for back up? I imagine, lke Thailand, a goodly number of foreigners [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) it all way and then wake up.

Also, some of your other examples bought houses. But foreigners can't own houses, right? Davao girls do sound a better bet than Angeles bicycles.

Wander Luster: some good ideas there. But I wonder how dependable the Pinoys would be for outsourcing work? Not very, I should imagine.

Bilbo Baggins
10-12-06, 10:03
Thanks guys for those breakdowns of costs helps me get a good idea what I can do once there.

Cebu Local
10-13-06, 00:01
Interesting post. Comparing posters on the Philippines thread with those on the Argentina thread, there seems to be no equivalent of Dickhead. I mean no one seems to go native or near native price wise.

Your first mate, $1,200 a month, that would be big money in Davao. Why can he not live on half of that, keeping the other half for back up? I imagine, lke Thailand, a goodly number of foreigners [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) it all way and then wake up.

Also, some of your other examples bought houses. But foreigners can't own houses, right? Davao girls do sound a better bet than Angeles bicycles.

Wander Luster: some good ideas there. But I wonder how dependable the Pinoys would be for outsourcing work? Not very, I should imagine.Actually there are about 500,000 pinoys working in the outsourcing industry.Convergys alone has 9,500 employees.There are a lot more incoming,Regarding land ownership Pinay wives can own property and since Land can be conjugal.It is your house as a couple and Yes Davao normal girls are a world away from Angeles Bar girls.Thats why a lot here MARRIED them.Cheers

GoodEnough
10-13-06, 02:10
That was very helpful. It seems that living expenses in Cebu / Davao are 20% to 25% of those which one would incur in Canada.
It's true, it's a hell of a lot less expensive to live here, but there are some caveats. The purchase of imported goods here, including western food and Japanese cars is expensive and can often cost more than in North American and/or Europe. Ditto for imported electronics including Sony TVs, stereos, computers, and the like. Fuel costs are about equivalent to US prices and fuel shortages (though rarer now) are not unheard of. The cost of electricity is not very different from what you would encounter in the US, though it's not as reliable. If you have kids, and you want to send them to a good private school, it's going to cost you $7-$9,000 per kid per year.

The bottom line here is that to the extent you want to live like a westerner, the more expensive life is going to be for you in certain respects.

:D

GE

Spam Hog
10-13-06, 06:42
Comparing the QUALITY of real estate, condos houses etc to US and other Developed nations is hard to do, remember that most houses here are made of LOCALLY PRODUCED material which is all that great. I'v'e been in P10 Mil homes and the pipes leak and toilets dont flush just like they dont in some
low cost Luan/plywood tin roof deal in a a squatter area.

I often mention "foreigner" grade houses that means that you have a roof that doesn't leak, plumbing that kinda works and breaker switches instread of a jury rigged circuit box. Probably has a tile floor and US style appliances perhaps even a frost free fridge and a microwave oven, the "biggie" is a hot water heater so you dont have to heat up water with a tea kettle and pour in a pail to take a bath. These are the best you can hope for. I've seen some houses where they get down right gaudy with the architecture and fixtures.

Many of the Condo's I've seen in the Cebu area are nice, if you want to live in a condo, personally I couldn't stand it, but the up side is that you can "own" it in a sense w/o a Wife, rather its like a 50 year lease. Rule of thumb here concerning cost is: ALL THINGS ARE DETERMINED in SQUARE METER (sqm2) Houses generally go for between P3500 to P10,000 per SQM2 in Cebu, cheaper else where, (Davao) Raw land also in that range depending on location.

Many small developments like Ayala land, Pryce corp etc are selling house and lot packages most of the houses/lots are the 110 to 150 SQM2 range.
with many payment plans and built to suit with 20% down. Once again your wife can own TITLE to the land, you can't.

I've got a lot of hopes for this ASEAN summit, hope they get more international business going in CEBU, I personally feel the potential for business here is many times greater than in Manila and Davao is just oo out of the way, sorry.

Outsourcing, Im suprised MORE outsourcing by US companies is not being done in the Phils, it seems India is getting a lot of that business. My understanding is also that some is being done in Manila, once again with all the good schools here and eager young talent I think Cebu would be an excellent place for any sort of outsourcing. A few years back I met a guy in Davao who was trying to start outsourcing in Davao, plenty of qualified applicants, but I don;t know why he never got off the ground.

Regards

Spamhog

Wander Luster
10-13-06, 08:03
Wander Luster: some good ideas there. But I wonder how dependable the Pinoys would be for outsourcing work? Not very, I should imagine.
You know, I have two employees that I would trust as much of a sibling. They are very loyal people! But ANYONE in a DESPERATE situation will so bad things. So if your trust is with someone that is settled in the community and is not poor and you are really a "boss" figure that they look up to and admire, you have tremendous respect. The mere fact that a "boss" is given so much respect as compared to the US means something to me.

Do you know that they even call some people in the office "Master" as in "you are a 'master' of your trade". That's amazing.

And then it is so odd that a white guy dressed like crap (as I might do when going to the beach) is "sir" but i don't think a 1/2 decent dressed guy would be called sir if he is native.

In terms of the money. It's all the same as being in your home country. I will always want to save money when I'm living there just as here.

Wander Luster
10-13-06, 08:08
It's true, it's a hell of a lot less expensive to live here, but there are some caveats. The purchase of imported goods here, including western food and Japanese cars is expensive and can often cost more than in North American and/or Europe. Ditto for imported electronics including Sony TVs, stereos, computers, and the like. Fuel costs are about equivalent to US prices and fuel shortages (though rarer now) are not unheard of. The cost of electricity is not very different from what you would encounter in the US, though it's not as reliable. If you have kids, and you want to send them to a good private school, it's going to cost you $7-$9,000 per kid per year.

The bottom line here is that to the extent you want to live like a westerner, the more expensive life is going to be for you in certain respects.

:D

GE

A lot of this comes down to whether you have said "BYE!" to your western country. I've not intention of that. At least one trip a year back home. When you come back you bring all electronics..like even computer....and the many other things that are more expensive. unfortunately, can't bring a car on a plaine.

I usually pay $1200 for a round trip ticket from a not too big city on the east coast usa to cebu via HK direct into Cebu and the #1 airline in the world, Cathey (rated #1). After flying a lot with them, they give me all biz class privilages accept my seat.

I can cut line, I get tons of free food in HK or LA in there great lounge, and more.

Wander Luster
10-13-06, 08:18
Comparing the QUALITY of real estate, condos houses etc to US and other Developed nations is hard to do, remember that most houses here are made of LOCALLY PRODUCED material which is all that great. I'v'e been in P10 Mil homes and the pipes leak and toilets dont flush just like they dont in some
low cost Luan/plywood tin roof deal in a a squatter area.

I often mention "foreigner" grade houses that means that you have a roof that doesn't leak, plumbing that kinda works and breaker switches instread of a jury rigged circuit box. Probably has a tile floor and US style appliances perhaps even a frost free fridge and a microwave oven, the "biggie" is a hot water heater so you dont have to heat up water with a tea kettle and pour in a pail to take a bath. These are the best you can hope for. I've seen some houses where they get down right gaudy with the architecture and fixtures.

Many of the Condo's I've seen in the Cebu area are nice, if you want to live in a condo, personally I couldn't stand it, but the up side is that you can "own" it in a sense w/o a Wife, rather its like a 50 year lease. Rule of thumb here concerning cost is: ALL THINGS ARE DETERMINED in SQUARE METER (sqm2) Houses generally go for between P3500 to P10,000 per SQM2 in Cebu, cheaper else where, (Davao) Raw land also in that range depending on location.

Many small developments like Ayala land, Pryce corp etc are selling house and lot packages most of the houses/lots are the 110 to 150 SQM2 range.
with many payment plans and built to suit with 20% down. Once again your wife can own TITLE to the land, you can't.

I've got a lot of hopes for this ASEAN summit, hope they get more international business going in CEBU, I personally feel the potential for business here is many times greater than in Manila and Davao is just oo out of the way, sorry.

Outsourcing, Im suprised MORE outsourcing by US companies is not being done in the Phils, it seems India is getting a lot of that business. My understanding is also that some is being done in Manila, once again with all the good schools here and eager young talent I think Cebu would be an excellent place for any sort of outsourcing. A few years back I met a guy in Davao who was trying to start outsourcing in Davao, plenty of qualified applicants, but I don;t know why he never got off the ground.

Regards

Spamhog


A lot of the bright kids from mindinau will tell you that the "word is out" that Cebu is the place for them to go for a better job market.

I don't know the numbers of US companies coming in, but I see a huge increase in competition for my area of computer work. Look at the IT park, there's a heck of a lot of ground being broken. These buildings are not for Phils companies, and I know of one going up that will bring a lot of high profile outsourcing jobs (fairly "glamorous" work for a lot of people).

Already there aren't nearly enough good english speakers for the call center jobs.

I often try to talk some of the bar girls into applying at call centers. They have gone 1/2 through university and there English in a couple cases is definately better then the many call center employees I've met (the've applied for jobs or I met them through online dating sites).

As for the education, I don't read up on it but I really wonder if it's over-rated. People iin the Phils seem to have a lot of pride for schools like San Carlos, but I really don't know if they are anything like what you would get at a good uni in Europe or US. I know one thing is the profs get paid shit. I mean just dirt pay if they are locals.

X Man
10-13-06, 10:03
Some interesting posts gents.

Related to the discussion is this articl I just came across. Apparently 266,000 Filipinos are now working in the call centers.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-10-12-voa17.cfm

X

Pute Nut
10-13-06, 11:51
I often try to talk some of the bar girls into applying at call centers. They have gone 1/2 through university and there English in a couple cases is definately better then the many call center employees I've met (the've applied for jobs or I met them through online dating sites).

Yeah, most bargirls are graduates of the famous Chicken Shit University...they tell me exactly the same story!!! Often right after calling me handsome guy..so they can't be lying!...Still they have to suck titis for a living..amazing...

Seriously though..halfway thru uni won't cut it usually. While it is often NOT required that they have graduated..AT LEAST 3-4 yrs of uni studies is usually the requirement to work in a call center. If they will work taking phone orders for US porn companies, this may be disregarded though. Part of the reason why these jobs are located in Phils is that the US porn buyers often make sexual jokes, wank off, make noises etc while placing their orders. Of course filipinas are better cut out to handle these calls than their more sensitive American sisters.

GoodEnough
10-13-06, 14:09
A lot of the bright kids from mindinau will tell you that the "word is out" that Cebu is the place for them to go for a better job market.

I don't know the numbers of US companies coming in, but I see a huge increase in competition for my area of computer work. Look at the IT park, there's a heck of a lot of ground being broken. These buildings are not for Phils companies, and I know of one going up that will bring a lot of high profile outsourcing jobs (fairly "glamorous" work for a lot of people).

Already there aren't nearly enough good english speakers for the call center jobs.

I often try to talk some of the bar girls into applying at call centers. They have gone 1/2 through university and there English in a couple cases is definately better then the many call center employees I've met (the've applied for jobs or I met them through online dating sites).

As for the education, I don't read up on it but I really wonder if it's over-rated. People iin the Phils seem to have a lot of pride for schools like San Carlos, but I really don't know if they are anything like what you would get at a good uni in Europe or US. I know one thing is the profs get paid shit. I mean just dirt pay if they are locals.
Last month's IT Conference was held in Cebu, which is investing millions of pesos in trying to create a strong IT backbone to attract foreign investors. In this regard, it's ahead of many other places in the southern Philippines. Davao too is investing heaviliy, and is in the midst of completing its first IT center. That's the good news.

The bad news is that the skill level of the available labor pool in terms of program, computer animation and the more creative side of IT is fairly shallow, and the quality of computer education/computer engineering here is not where near the standard that you would find in the US or, for that matter in India. Unfortunately, the country is either unwilling or unable to invest in improving the quality of IT-related education here. That's not to say that there's no talent, but the talent pool is fairly shallow.

Virtually all call centers here require a BS or BA of their employees. Even then, an estimated 95% of the applicants fail the English Language test.

:D

GE

RasSpewtin
10-13-06, 20:42
Spam Hog and Cebu Local:

I wish to offer a sincere thank you for taking the time to document and share some very helpful economic intel for guys like myself who are considering retiring in Cebu in the future. Really some good insights here! Would be happy to buy you guys a round or two then next time I am in Cebu, although at this point it is uncertain as to when that will be.

Cebu Local, I have gone through some of your posting history, and we share a lot of things in common in terms of relationships and geography. I am certain that we could have some interesting talks one day. Sorry that I missed when I was in Cebu back in February.

Raz

Finrod
10-14-06, 02:02
For the mongers who are interested in retiring or otherwise moving to the Phils, there are groups on Yahoo that are aimed at the expats who live there or are considering it. The groups I know about are moderated by Americans with the exception of one that is moderated by an Aussie. I'm sure if I searched harder, I could find more groups, but I have enough to look at already. Mongering is barely mentioned in those forums, but then we have ISG for that. These other groups are good for reading about many other aspects of life in the Phils, both cultural and practical. That could be helpful to someone who's considering a temporary or permanent move.

Budgie
10-14-06, 15:09
I joined this site 48 hours ago and the e-mails have been pouring in.

Now i need advice from those in the know.

How many are scammers on this site, as some have wasted no time in hinting that i should send them money.

(No I don't have mug stamped on my head)

I am not stupid but of the ones i have spoken to 50% were asking for money at the first chat.

Are there genuine people there?

Any advice is appreciated

Peter

Spam Hog
10-15-06, 08:12
I joined this site 48 hours ago and the e-mails have been pouring in.

Now i need advice from those in the know.

How many are scammers on this site, as some have wasted no time in hinting that i should send them money.

(No I don't have mug stamped on my head)

I am not stupid but of the ones i have spoken to 50% were asking for money at the first chat.

Are there genuine people there?

Any advice is appreciated

Peter


I have long been a detractor of this site, I know of MANY horror stories originating from CB, but to be honest as many from Filipinaheart, adultfriendfinder and from the plain old Yahoo chats etc. So I suppose that
nowadays the 50% odds would be prevailant no matter where you seek. yes there are legitimate females seeking honest relationships as long as you understand that you are not the only one they are corresponding with, they will go and meet the first guy who comes to see them and likely snag him (marriage) if they can, so my advise is if you are seeking sincere relationship (or just a few fun flings) dont hesitate too long, also keep good relations with several of them so if one dont work out you have a fall back plan.

As far as getting hit up for money the first time or two you chat, well that is an obvious scammer or operator, what you have to be careful of is the ones who seem so damn sincere and then hit you up three months down the road when you have some feeling towards them.

Honesty is the best policy, tell the girls upfront you are not a fool and you dont send money just coz they ask and if they do ask you will wave them on just like you have with the ones who pulled that shit on you before that should weed out most of them, the rest is up to you.

good luck


Spamhog

Budgie
10-15-06, 11:54
Well thanks for the advice.

I am now running out of mailbox space as so many have replied.

Its 100% now for those I have replied to all mention not having money to scan photos, etc.

One has a UK visa and needs a ticket to come here.

Do they think we are led by our penis and are walking ATM's.

I think this site has more scammers that real people.

Thanks for the advice.

Peter

Surfer
10-15-06, 13:55
ditto what Spamhog said. I will offer another bit of advice: I put right on my profile that I was NOT into chatting. The scammers will rarely take the time to enage in lengthy email exchanges with personal detail, so the key is no matter how cute the picture (which may well be fake) , I weed them out from the very start by the amount of personal detail that is in their emails.

Perhaps nobody will believe this, but I never had one come right out and ask for money. Yes some will hint about their economic problems, but a mere response like "yea, I know times are hard in the Philippines" (rather than an offer to send money) seems to quell the urge to outright ask for $.

I can only speak for myself, but I met several regular girls through Cherryblossoms, including one that has become my girlfriend whom I may well keep for a real long time.

Buko Max
10-16-06, 00:59
Perhaps nobody will believe this, but I never had one come right out and ask for money. I can only speak for myself, but I met several regular girls through Cherryblossoms
Yes I believe! I've been a member for over 2 years and never once been asked for money. Also met plenty of quality women some of which I consider good friends.

Tooch
10-16-06, 01:45
From my experience, the quality of the individual that applies to me for a job is very bright, eager and has a good work ethic.

Somebody asked about the quality of the graduate/education here? Take a typical example of a terrific young student taking Computer Studies at University. In most cases he/she will not have a computer at home. Even if they did, they could not afford the software packages necessary for them to gain competence (although you can often buy some pirated software for 100p, many programs are inaccessible).

Where else can they get the practice they need to become good at their profession? The University? The computer labs are small, so each student only has very limited access. Even then, the University cannot afford to buy too many copies of expensive software such as in animation.

The end result is that a graduate comes out of university with theoretical knowledge, but very little practical. If the student has to find his/her own way to gain the practical knowledge.

The problem here is the one faced all over the Philippines - a lack of money. What money there is is often skimmed-off by less-than-honest officials. So, although many of these young applicants are bright and ready to learn, they really don't have much of a university education. If you hire them, you must be willing to do most of the educating yourself.

I don't want to seem too disparaging. There are plenty of great people to hire here in the Philippines. Just be aware of what you will likely be getting.

Cheers,

X Man
10-16-06, 13:52
Like Mattrick and Surfer, I've had pretty good luck with CB. I've met several women, screwed about 40%, and had few problems with scammers. I wonder if some of you guys have something in your profile that attracts the parasites. ***Side note...had a lot of fun with a real cuty in Davao, but she tried to scam me after the fact. I might just meet her again in January.

Oh, just 'cause a woman says she doesn't have money for scanning her pictures doesn't mean she's a scammer. Many of these girls are poor, I can assure you that.

Surfer doesn't chat, but I recommend it. CB doesn't allow you to send your email address on the first message. This is an inconvenience. Get her in the chat room, and you can share info as you please. I recommend getting her email address and phone number as soon as possible.

Keeping track of all your booty is the difficult part. I don't go to CB much anymore, but I used to print out pages of women I was interested in and then write the contact info on the paper. If you travel with a laptop, record keeping would be much easier. Next best alternative is a memory stick.

I also use a screen capture to copy the images when girls are on cam. good for record keeping, and you never know when someone is going to show you skin.

On cam, you might want to see the bod? I would never say "stand up", but some guys do it. Making comments about their blouse often gets them to show you more --- works best when they have some wording on their t-shirt..."hey, baby, I can't read what it says." Another ploy is to ask about favorite colors..."Huh, your favorite color is blue, so why are you wearing pink pants?" She just might stand up and show you.

As for scams: the most disgusting one was some btch from Leyte who said her family lost everything in the mudslide. Hmmm, lost everything, just barely survived...and the first thing she does is go to a Net cafe to chat. Yea right.

A few others...need money for food (huh, but you have money for the Net cafe?)

...sick and need money for medicine (huh, if you are sick, why are you in the Net cafe?)

BTW, I've bumped into a few ladies who were very sensitive cause some dickhead accused her of scamming. Just because a few try, is no reason to insult Filipina women in general. Look up stereotype and racism and ugly American if you don't get it.

X

Wander Luster
10-20-06, 21:41
Yeah, most bargirls are graduates of the famous Chicken Shit University...they tell me exactly the same story!!! Often right after calling me handsome guy..so they can't be lying!...Still they have to suck titis for a living..amazing...

Seriously though..halfway thru uni won't cut it usually. While it is often NOT required that they have graduated..AT LEAST 3-4 yrs of uni studies is usually the requirement to work in a call center. If they will work taking phone orders for US porn companies, this may be disregarded though. Part of the reason why these jobs are located in Phils is that the US porn buyers often make sexual jokes, wank off, make noises etc while placing their orders. Of course filipinas are better cut out to handle these calls than their more sensitive American sisters.

EVERYONE says they spent time in uni-- I'm not that dumb. Even if I were dumb, after 12 full monthys of spending time in one Phils city with a limited number of bars you get at least some idea of the real deal. I remember one girl told me she went to uni. That same time when we went for a beer in a bar, she asked me "Is Thailand a country" and I nearly spat the brew all over her. Grade 4 graduate?

Personally I would rather talk to someone with just a high school degree that speak in I way I understand vs. some of the college grads in India who work in call centers, may be great people, but who have accents which cause serious problems in communicating.

Notice I referred to a very small number that I would refere as able to apply for those jobs...very small. In cebu, I do think you are estimating how many have a year or 2.

Don't know where you got the "AT LEAST" part. That's not true in Cebu. They're so fucking desperate they would hire someone out of the gutter if they thought the english skills were good enough. But that is CEBU...and there is a massive shortage of people to fill the jobs. Maybe you work in this industry?

Your info about the porn industry is very insightful. Didn't know about that, but do know about all kinds of other "Adult Industry" work that is "outsourced" and very secrative-- None of which I want anything to do with since much of it can land a person in big trouble.

Wander Luster
10-20-06, 21:45
Last month's IT Conference was held in Cebu, which is investing millions of pesos in trying to create a strong IT backbone to attract foreign investors. In this regard, it's ahead of many other places in the southern Philippines. Davao too is investing heaviliy, and is in the midst of completing its first IT center. That's the good news.

The bad news is that the skill level of the available labor pool in terms of program, computer animation and the more creative side of IT is fairly shallow, and the quality of computer education/computer engineering here is not where near the standard that you would find in the US or, for that matter in India. Unfortunately, the country is either unwilling or unable to invest in improving the quality of IT-related education here. That's not to say that there's no talent, but the talent pool is fairly shallow.

Virtually all call centers here require a BS or BA of their employees. Even then, an estimated 95% of the applicants fail the English Language test.

:D

GE

You are spot on about all this, Good Enough. There are really a lot of great posts on this thread with info about the talent pool that is the sort that doesn't take their painties of for money.

I've been trying to fill TWO , just TWO, IT jobs for 4 months and am advertising and having my HR head interview constantly. STILL no one. A year ago, the same size ad drew litterally 40 times more responces. We don't want to have to do a lot of training, but the may be the only option.

Best service outsourcing to do is hiring people out of college who are then doing semi skilled jobs (semi skilled is what many recent college grads do when out of a US college).

Tooch, what you say is also concise and so true. If you want someone that already has skills, they didn't get them in college..but there are ways in which the college work does help. Really I know about IT work...something like trying to export stuff...hiring for that I don't know.

Wander Luster
10-20-06, 21:51
I have long been a detractor of this site, I know of MANY horror stories originating from CB, but to be honest as many from Filipinaheart, adultfriendfinder and from the plain old Yahoo chats etc. So I suppose that
nowadays the 50% odds would be prevailant no matter where you seek. yes there are legitimate females seeking honest relationships as long as you understand that you are not the only one they are corresponding with, they will go and meet the first guy who comes to see them and likely snag him (marriage) if they can, so my advise is if you are seeking sincere relationship (or just a few fun flings) dont hesitate too long, also keep good relations with several of them so if one dont work out you have a fall back plan.

As far as getting hit up for money the first time or two you chat, well that is an obvious scammer or operator, what you have to be careful of is the ones who seem so damn sincere and then hit you up three months down the road when you have some feeling towards them.

Honesty is the best policy, tell the girls upfront you are not a fool and you dont send money just coz they ask and if they do ask you will wave them on just like you have with the ones who pulled that shit on you before that should weed out most of them, the rest is up to you.

good luck


Spamhog

Great advice. I agree the worste are those you don't expect and even THEY may not expect until their brother convinces them.

I had the sweetest thing for a part time GF. Then she started having "problems" and needing money for things. For 5 months I was with her off and on (depending on our scedules and where we were geographically, RE: that was casual and she like that) didn't really buy her much too special because I refused to let us be about money.

GoodEnough
10-21-06, 01:35
You are spot on about all this, Good Enough. There are really a lot of great posts on this thread with info about the talent pool that is the sort that doesn't take their painties of for money.

I've been trying to fill TWO , just TWO, IT jobs for 4 months and am advertising and having my HR head interview constantly. STILL no one. A year ago, the same size ad drew litterally 40 times more responces. We don't want to have to do a lot of training, but the may be the only option.

Best service outsourcing to do is hiring people out of college who are then doing semi skilled jobs (semi skilled is what many recent college grads do when out of a US college).

Tooch, what you say is also concise and so true. If you want someone that already has skills, they didn't get them in college..but there are ways in which the college work does help. Really I know about IT work...something


ike trying to export stuff...hiring for that I don't know.

Ultimately, everything in the PI comes down to one variable; the lack of money. It explains the motivation of the women that most of us chase and bed, and it explains the lack of an adequate talent pool as well. There's simply no money to invest in education and, even if sufficient funds somehow magically appeared, there's no substantive instructional pool who could teach the students to an acceptable level of international skill.i really think, in the light of the experience of my own company, which has been in business here for more than 30 years,the only viable alternative is to find bright people and train them yourself. Every now and then you can also "steal" someone from a competitor; someone who has already been trained by someone else, but such people are tough to find as well.

Another problem, and one that's just as difficult to solve, is to find people who are willing to be held accountable and conversely, who are comfortable, or at least wiling to make decisions. If you're trying to create a management structure, it's critical that at some level managers be held accountable for performance. Not here.

I'm now--on behalf of my company--part of a group that's trying ti figure out how to attract more ICT business to Mindanao and it's obvious that it's going to be a long, hard struggle. Not only is there a need to strengthen the IT "backbone" which suffers from frequent power failures, too few ISPs, lack of tech support, etc., but the people needed to fill the positions just aren't there. And of course, there's no money to train the people who aren't there unless non-governmental sources are willing to fund the skills training.

It is not a hopeful situation.

:D

GE

Cebu Local
10-21-06, 02:17
Ultimately, everything in the PI comes down to one variable; the lack of money. It explains the motivation of the women that most of us chase and bed, and it explains the lack of an adequate talent pool as well. There's simply no money to invest in education and, even if sufficient funds somehow magically appeared, there's no substantive instructional pool who could teach the students to an acceptable level of international skill.i really think, in the light of the experience of my own company, which has been in business here for more than 30 years,the only viable alternative is to find bright people and train them yourself. Every now and then you can also "steal" someone from a competitor; someone who has already been trained by someone else, but such people are tough to find as well.

Another problem, and one that's just as difficult to solve, is to find people who are willing to be held accountable and conversely, who are comfortable, or at least wiling to make decisions. If you're trying to create a management structure, it's critical that at some level managers be held accountable for performance. Not here.

I'm now--on behalf of my company--part of a group that's trying ti figure out how to attract more ICT business to Mindanao and it's obvious that it's going to be a long, hard struggle. Not only is there a need to strengthen the IT "backbone" which suffers from frequent power failures, too few ISPs, lack of tech support, etc., but the people needed to fill the positions just aren't there. And of course, there's no money to train the people who aren't there unless non-governmental sources are willing to fund the skills training.

It is not a hopeful situation.

:D

GEI face a Similiar problem in the hospitality Industry,The level of service and training is simply not there.The moment They get a little experience,Off they go overseas.I recently lost 3 staff at the same time to the Somerset In Dubai and the IT I trained for 2 years is now in the Intercontinental Dubai.I cannot blame them given the lack of oppurtunity in the PI.I suspect the talent is still there,Just not in the PI.

Martians
10-21-06, 04:07
ge says the lack of money is the root of the problem. but the families who own the philippines are loaded and their family relatives who are bishops and generals do not lack for a buck either.

cl complains those he trained high tail it to dubai. maybe they prefer a living wage to a pittance. cl has also previously praised “venture capitalists” funding pawn shops as some kind of budding pioneers instead of the leeches that they are and that they were in dickens’ time in england. no country needs those people. they are an utter disgrace to humanity and should not be consorted with but avoided like the moral lepers they are.

ge goes on about the lack of infrastructure for it in mindanao. but what infrastructure is there for anything? comparing india to the philippines is like comparing oranges to mondays. if the attraction is dirt low wages, don’t expect growth. plus any projects would have a swarm of connected families around the honeypot; their greed is as insatiable as their sense of moral and social moral purpose is non existent. they are the ultimate sore on the people of the philippines.
as regards university graduates, most are picking up a yellow pack degree so they have some chance of a job, any job. as regards the white tsunami of nurses, they have a bad name overseas. great bedside manners but not able to change a bandage. the fact that the great state of texas relies havily on pinoy teachers is also of interest

compare and contrast with thailand, a country most of its natives wish to stay in and which has a sizeable expat population and a structured tourist industry. thailand has progressed whereas the philippines has regressed. why? poverty is not the reason. pinoys have good names on building sites and as merchant seamen. they work. but in their own country, they get ripped off by the biggest shower of thieves ever assembled since christopher colombus and the ayala family set sail to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), plunder and pillage.

end of rant: the blades get put to the sword today. onward and upward.

Member #2001
10-22-06, 00:40
I was wondering if anyone here would know of a ferry guide or a guide that lists all the boats and ferry crossings available in the Phillopines

Cebu Local
10-22-06, 00:54
ge says the lack of money is the root of the problem. but the families who own the philippines are loaded and their family relatives who are bishops and generals do not lack for a buck either.

cl complains those he trained high tail it to dubai. maybe they prefer a living wage to a pittance. cl has also previously praised “venture capitalists” funding pawn shops as some kind of budding pioneers instead of the leeches that they are and that they were in dickens’ time in england. no country needs those people. they are an utter disgrace to humanity and should not be consorted with but avoided like the moral lepers they are.

ge goes on about the lack of infrastructure for it in mindanao. but what infrastructure is there for anything? comparing india to the philippines is like comparing oranges to mondays. if the attraction is dirt low wages, don’t expect growth. plus any projects would have a swarm of connected families around the honeypot; their greed is as insatiable as their sense of moral and social moral purpose is non existent. they are the ultimate sore on the people of the philippines.
as regards university graduates, most are picking up a yellow pack degree so they have some chance of a job, any job. as regards the white tsunami of nurses, they have a bad name overseas. great bedside manners but not able to change a bandage. the fact that the great state of texas relies havily on pinoy teachers is also of interest

compare and contrast with thailand, a country most of its natives wish to stay in and which has a sizeable expat population and a structured tourist industry. thailand has progressed whereas the philippines has regressed. why? poverty is not the reason. pinoys have good names on building sites and as merchant seamen. they work. but in their own country, they get ripped off by the biggest shower of thieves ever assembled since christopher colombus and the ayala family set sail to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), plunder and pillage.

end of rant: the blades get put to the sword today. onward and upward.true,even if i pay above average wages by pi standards i cannot afford to pay them dubai wages.i do not fault them for that,in fact i wish them well but it is a hassle to train again sigh....regarding the philippine culture of corruption,i totally agree with you,i see how they steal steal and steal.the main business of the powers that be is still mining and peace and order.thats mine thats mine thats mine......... and give me a piece of your business and thats an order!!!!!!

AAA Hunter
10-22-06, 02:15
This site has a good list of ferry services in the Philippines.

http://www.philippines-travel-guide.com/ferry-list-philippines.html

They are fun a couple of hours. I don't recommend long distant, day or overnight trips, unless you are really into exotic adventures and exploration. They are not luxury liners and depends on weather, may be a little too bumpy.

I also recommend you take a dramamine an hour before you board.

:)


I was wondering if anyone here would know of a ferry guide or a guide that lists all the boats and ferry crossings available in the Phillopines

Holton Cowboy
10-22-06, 14:48
Had to go to Cebu on business in August so I took a little time to check out an open air market. Met this little hot number who took me to her place and nearly fucked me to death. She was a little skinny for my taste but God she couldn’t get enough, she loved to fuck in all three holes. Didn’t even cost me the price of a hamburger, in fact she cooked me a delicious meal.

HenryV
10-22-06, 15:17
If you look closely at the picture in the frame on #3 you will see me.


Had to go to Cebu on business in August so I took a little time to check out an open air market. Met this little hot number who took me to her place and nearly fucked me to death. She was a little skinny for my taste but God she couldn’t get enough, she loved to fuck in all three holes. Didn’t even cost me the price of a hamburger, in fact she cooked me a delicious meal.

Larry 56
10-22-06, 20:14
I've been talking to a girl from Baguio. Met her through CL. Wants me to come and meet her and her family. Never has asked for money. YET. Quite an age difference but seems very mature. Told me about another guy who is writing her.

Any comments?

DG69
10-22-06, 20:51
I plan to have a holiday in the Philippines and I would like to stay about 3 or 4 weeks. Now I have read that citizen of the EU (I am German) get a Visa for 21 days. If I want to stay longer I need to prepare a Visa by the Philippines Embassy in Germany. Is this true or can I get such a longer Visa also at the Airport in Manila or somewhere else in Manila?

Cebu Local
10-22-06, 23:31
I plan to have a holiday in the Philippines and I would like to stay about 3 or 4 weeks. Now I have read that citizen of the EU (I am German) get a Visa for 21 days. If I want to stay longer I need to prepare a Visa by the Philippines Embassy in Germany. Is this true or can I get such a longer Visa also at the Airport in Manila or somewhere else in Manila?Any Serious PI Travel Agent can get you an extension up to 59 Days easily from the Immigration people without too much hassle.

X Man
10-23-06, 05:26
Any comments about what? You don't give us enough information.

Baguio is a nice place, go see her. It will probably be a great experience.



I've been talking to a girl from Baguio. Met her through CL. Wants me to come and meet her and her family. Never has asked for money. YET. Quite an age difference but seems very mature. Told me about another guy who is writing her.

Any comments?

Larry 56
10-23-06, 05:32
Any comments about what? You don't give us enough information.

Baguio is a nice place, go see her. It will probably be a great experience.Nice response. What I was attempting to ask if it usual for her to ask me to meet her parents? That would seem like a good sign under normal circumstances.

What other information do you need to know?

DG69
10-23-06, 05:58
Any Serious PI Travel Agent can get you an extension up to 59 Days easily from the Immigration people without too much hassle.

Thank you for the info! Do you mean I just have to go to a travel Agent, let say in Manila after my arrival and pay him some money and he will arrange an extension?

Cebu Local
10-23-06, 11:33
Thank you for the info! Do you mean I just have to go to a travel Agent, let say in Manila after my arrival and pay him some money and he will arrange an extension?
Correct,But try to stick to the larger Reputable ones,Not the hole in the wall s.Somebody with a PHILTOA Philippine Tour Operators Association or PTAA Phililippine Travel Agents Association Sticker Displayed.These guys get expelled if they rip people off.So the have to behave

X Man
10-23-06, 22:13
Well, I met a woman at 2pm, then met her parents at 3pm, was giving her a good root at 5pm, and then she tried to scam me after I left the city.

A good sign for what? Geesh.

Okay, I'll assume you are looking for a good girl to marry. Meeting her family is a great way to get the ball rolling. If you just want to get laid, it might be a bad sign. I've had some interesting experiences meeting family and friends, although some guys here wouldn't be bothered. For many "good" Filipinas you'll have to meet a family member or expect a chaperone. Unfortunately, a good family doesn't always guarantee a good girl.

Wait, what am I saying! Fortunately, a good family doesn't always guarantee a good girl.

Hope that helps. X



Nice response. What I was attempting to ask if it usual for her to ask me to meet her parents? That would seem like a good sign under normal circumstances.

What other information do you need to know?

Holton Cowboy
10-24-06, 00:49
Larry, in the Philippines meeting her parents is an important step (for her) in establishing a permanent relationship. It is one way for her to test your seriousness to such end. I’ve done it on several occasions and never had family to interfere but they will frequently talk your ear off asking you very personal questions about yourself. So be prepared.




Nice response. What I was attempting to ask if it usual for her to ask me to meet her parents? That would seem like a good sign under normal circumstances.

What other information do you need to know?

Harvey WB
10-24-06, 01:15
I don't know any specific places in MNL, but I did use a T/A located at the now torn down MNL Midtown Hotel.

In Cebu, the concierge at the Marriott took care of it, adding P500 to the total cost (I think the "quick" extension was P2,100. Marriott just took it to the T/A on 3rd Flr at Ayala and had them process it). You want to be careful, as you have to also provide your passport and I'm skeptical about trusting anybody with it.

In La Union, staff at Bali Hai Resort had it processed for me. Ditto for the P500 fee.

In Davao, no T/A knew what the H*ll I was talking about, but offered to accompany me, for a fee, to the office. I declined, dressed up (long pants, shoes, socks and a collar shirt) and had it done in a couple of hours. Dressing "appropriately" (business casual) is a must or they will turn you away. This gave me a total of 59 days (original 21 days included) to stay in the Phils.

There are Immigration offices in MNL, Cebu, Davao, San Fernando (La Union) and Laoag City in Ilocos Norte. There are probably others, these are just the ones I know of.

Good Luck.

Tooch
10-25-06, 01:31
see http://www.gov.ph/faqs/visa.asp for a FAQ on visas.

Notes:

* you can find the extension forms on the website and apply yourself. For the 500 P service fee - why bother?

* if you get someone else to present the application, it must be an approved agent. Don't worry, there are plenty available

* the first extension will cost you 2100 P. This includes the 500P expresslane fee which means it is processed in one day. Add the service fee

* the first extension is for 38 days - which gives you 59 days total (including original 21 days). Your second extension is for another 59 days, although this extension costs around 4000 Pesos. Add the service fee

* if you are only going to overstay for a little while, you might consider just paying the visa fee at the airport. It will cost you approximately 2500P, depending on how much they try to squeeze out of you for a penalty. I was late 2 weeks once and it cost me around 2500P (less than paying an agency to file my extension -with the agency fee). My friend was late for a few days and it cost him 2250P. Why the difference, I don't know. They tried to charge my friend a 1000 P penalty, but he argued it and they subsequently dropped it.

Hope this helps

Tooch

Spam Hog
10-25-06, 11:22
when dealing with "authorized extension agents" one can usually find such
touts working around or near the immigration offices, without going into much details they are usually rip offs IMHO. Yes most will render the service they ask a fee for but many times it is simply providing forms that you can down load for free or obtain in person and fill out in five minutes at Immigration. You should al know these folks have very little influence or pull in "la migra" despite their implications of being able to expidite things for a little extra swag money. (excuse me there are no bribes in the Philippines...only gifts in appreciatin of expiditious service).

Most hotels will provide such servies but charge a premium, all they do is send and authorized agent around to sit and wait until a number is called.

My advice is to get to the offices early, have everything xeroxed and all your forms ready, make sure you got change and can cover the fees even be prepared for any untoward "rate hikes" you didn;t know about. Dress decently and NEVER, NEVER give the clerks a hard time or complain loudly.

I really dont like the idea of "authorized agents" having copies of my passport and personal information, never know who they might pass that info to and for what purpose. Course im paranoid as hell.

Spamhog

AfAsia
10-30-06, 03:13
mates,

have been informed, the best time to travel to philippines is september. is this indeed so? i would obviously be interested in any wisened advice in this regard. i`m looking at spending some time in manila and bangkok, thailand - time constraints 10/14 days.

speed13

Spam Hog
10-30-06, 06:02
mates,

have been informed, the best time to travel to philippines is september. is this indeed so? i would obviously be interested in any wisened advice in this regard. i`m looking at spending some time in manila and bangkok, thailand - time constraints 10/14 days.

speed13


tecnhically, september is the start of winter here, means the temp goes from 95 to a frigid 90. but sept, oct and november are notably cooler, such as it is. another factor is typhoon season is during this time, the season the filipino's call "habagat" meaning big waves/wind, great for surfing too. some services/travel can be affected as floods are common in some areas especially visayas.

now i know a lot of aussie's like to go to surigao area for surfing during this time and october there is a big event there.

there are a number of festivals and such during this time nov 1st is a big national holiday when they honor the dead, so things get a bit crowded regarding hotel space during oct/nov, the of course the world shuts down in mid december for xmas.

now none of this should seriously affect mongering which is not a seasonal event.

regarding thailand, they have a number of holidays also during oct/nov and december dec 7th being the kings birthday when all bangkok shuts down for three or four days.

good luck

spamhog

X Man
10-30-06, 11:57
Holiday "activities" came up last year. My experience was that people ask for a bit more money since "it is Christmas." Christmas in Manila was great fun. A lot of people go out and about that day. Baywalk was absolutely packed. The taxi driver said something that has stuck with me. "Even if they have no money, they go out on Christmas."

New Year's Eve is another matter. Bars in Cebu closed up early and then World War III began. I watched the battle from the top of Holiday Plaza which seemed relatively safe.

I recommend having a date all lined up and confirmed sometime before New Year's eve. And if you don't get to the bars early. I don't know what happened the evening of Jan 1 because I was already on Alona Beach, Bohol by that time.

X



There are a number of festivals and such during this time Nov 1st is a big national holiday when they honor the dead, so things get a bit crowded regarding hotel space during Oct/Nov, the of course the world shuts down in mid December for Xmas.

Now none of this should seriously affect mongering which is not a seasonal event.Spamhog

Dafacer
11-01-06, 05:20
Guys,

I am planning my virgin trip to the PI in 07...to Manila, Cebu, and Angeles City within a 2 week period. My intention it to eventually retire in Cebu...what time of the year weatherwise would you suggest?

I'm still searching and researching the forums for info, but if you want to throw some ideas on where to stay temporary and possible future homestead spots, Im all ears!

Thanks,

DF

Spam Hog
11-02-06, 11:41
Guys,

I am planning my virgin trip to the PI in 07...to Manila, Cebu, and Angeles City within a 2 week period. My intention it to eventually retire in Cebu...what time of the year weatherwise would you suggest?

I'm still searching and researching the forums for info, but if you want to throw some ideas on where to stay temporary and possible future homestead spots, Im all ears!

Thanks,

DF


Seasons are ass backwards in this hemispehre and they really are not like what you experience in the US or Europe. Heat index wise I cant tell the difference although my spouse and her filipina counterparts can, complaining of the "cold" right now, only about 85.

Thing you have to worry about here (and it is NOT a major worry) is Typhoon season. They come off the Pacific every so often and bash into the eastern side of Mindanao, bounce off the mountains and head north to smash into Leyte, samar then tear ass though the flater central Visayas. CEBU does not get much of the battering the costal area get. It translates into rain, heavy at times, some flooding in the streets where the sewer drains are stuffed up with garbage but really nothing to worry about. I wouldn't plan any sail boat trips during September. October but I've ridden the commerical ferru back and forth to Mindano a lot without any probelems other than some heavy rain.

The weather turns hotter in March and remains so until about June, which is when the kids go back to school.

Look into staying in the lahug area temporarily from which you can hit all the major shopping centers and most things we foreigners like to do. (Mongering sites and go go bars are close by). You can rent a place for under $300 a month but most landlords want a one year lease.

Also look into moving across the line to Mandau city or Lapu Lapu, personally I think its cheaper to buy property in those areas than Cebu city proper.

Regards


Spamhog

Dafacer
11-03-06, 04:39
Thanks again Spamhog.

Larry 56
11-03-06, 11:18
Well, I met a woman at 2pm, then met her parents at 3pm, was giving her a good root at 5pm, and then she tried to scam me after I left the city.

A good sign for what? Geesh.

Okay, I'll assume you are looking for a good girl to marry. Meeting her family is a great way to get the ball rolling. If you just want to get laid, it might be a bad sign. I've had some interesting experiences meeting family and friends, although some guys here wouldn't be bothered. For many "good" Filipinas you'll have to meet a family member or expect a chaperone. Unfortunately, a good family doesn't always guarantee a good girl.

Wait, what am I saying! Fortunately, a good family doesn't always guarantee a good girl.

Hope that helps. XThat does help. Thank you!

Larry!

Larry 56
11-03-06, 11:21
Larry, in the Philippines meeting her parents is an important step (for her) in establishing a permanent relationship. It is one way for her to test your seriousness to such end. I’ve done it on several occasions and never had family to interfere but they will frequently talk your ear off asking you very personal questions about yourself. So be prepared.I've continued to have long conversations with her. She has never asked for money. She lives in Baguio. No, it's not just about sex. It sounds like it is worth a trip.

Thanks to all for the info.

Larry!

Buko Max
11-04-06, 07:39
To all it may concern:

Here is a recent article from INQ7 (http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/metroregions/view_article.php?article_id=28067)

X Man
11-04-06, 14:02
It's worth a trip? Larry, that's what I said in my first post.

I think you realized that before you ever sent your post. I'm still not sure what you are looking for.

If this is your first trip to the Philippines, I recommend you hit the town
(not Baguio) ...have some fun...play with some girls...and then go to Baguio.

Things will be in better perspective then...

Have fun.

X



I've continued to have long conversations with her. She has never asked for money. She lives in Baguio. No, it's not just about sex. It sounds like it is worth a trip.

Thanks to all for the info.

Larry!

Abduman
11-08-06, 17:49
This is a relative new site alot simliar to the other already on the internet. The site host alot of girls from the Philippines. The girls are very pretty and are so temping to chat with for an alleged $1 fee per minute. I purchased the service for 25 minutes at a cost of $25. I chatted with two girls for about 5 minutes each. When I got my creditcard bill, a total of $100 dollars was charged to my cardcard. I contacted the website and CCbill and neither would take responsiblity for this apparent frauduligent charge to my creditcard! Has anyone here had a experience similar or any suggestions other than avoidance?

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