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MrWoolyBooly
05-18-17, 19:51
I have planned an overseas SE Asian trip with a long time regular of mine most likely HK or Singapore. I have not tried to take a Filipino girl out of the country before. A Manila bar girl I know (not the girl I have promised to take on a trip) was convinced by her friend to travel to work in a Japanese KTV in Singapore. , Bought a ticket (one way) but did not have a lot of spending money. Got blocked by immigration and refused exit. Told immigration visiting friend but they didn't believe her. Regularly I see girls corralled off for interviews by immigration. However I have met lots of girls who have travelled on local SE Asian trips funded by their foreign BF. What is the secret to getting past immigration. Do you have to travel with them? Is it a return ticket? Sorry another FR based upon a question. Hopefully my FR balance allows my recent multiple questions.I've travelled overseas with Pinays. I never had problems when the Pinay's passport already had stamps from previous overseas travel. No questions, not pulled aside. One time it was a young Pinay lady's first time going overseas (Hong Kong) with a virgin passport. The "immigration" lady officer set us a few meters apart and asked us similar question. "How did you meet? Where did you meet? How long have you known each other?" etc. They really do treat their own citizens as children "for their protection. " My current assumption is the departing Pinay needs to convince the "immigration" officer she's not going to do anything to make the Philippines lose face, such as work in a nudie bar, or stay and work illegally, or transport illegal substances, or whatever. "Visiting a friend" won't cut it.
After a foreign stamp or two in the passport, I think they figure the woman knows how to take care of herself and stay out of trouble, I. E. Not embarass the country. No problems after the first trip.
Wicked Roger
05-19-17, 03:07
I've travelled overseas with Pinays. I never had problems when the Pinay's passport already had stamps from previous overseas travel. No questions, not pulled aside. One time it was a young Pinay lady's first time going overseas (Hong Kong) with a virgin passport. The "immigration" lady officer set us a few meters apart and asked us similar question. "How did you meet? Where did you meet? How long have you known each other?" etc. They really do treat their own citizens as children "for their protection. " My current assumption is the departing Pinay needs to convince the "immigration" officer she's not going to do anything to make the Philippines lose face, such as work in a nudie bar, or stay and work illegally, or transport illegal substances, or whatever. "Visiting a friend" won't cut it.
After a foreign stamp or two in the passport, I think they figure the woman knows how to take care of herself and stay out of trouble, I. E. Not embarass the country. No problems after the first trip.While I would generally concur with you WB I know many examples where even that does not help.
One of my cuties works at the airport with the airlines and at times is on the shift where she waits to be told who is offloaded and am surprised who is.
Another in her 30's with kids and work going to Singapore for a holiday (package tour via an agency) was offloaded and got no / minimal refund. So is hard to say for sure what immigration will do at times.
Many have failed to get past this and is strange to some that a citizen is not allowed to leave for a holiday but this is the Philippines! Also the country visited is important..Not strange as some other countries do they same for (or to) their citizens. It may be for the best intentions or else they just don't want the expense of aiding their nationals or providing Consular service to nuisances abroad. No different from US in this respect. Or else, the destination country applies leverage to keep out unmoneyed visitors.
Since we all have 'lots of experience' with this subject, imagine how much the experience varies. Key factor IMHO is how the immigration agent perceives you. And her.
BrainDrain
05-19-17, 23:39
After a foreign stamp or two in the passport, I think they figure the woman knows how to take care of herself and stay out of trouble, I. E. Not embarass the country. No problems after the first trip.While our monger intentions is to have a good outside Philippines holiday with a cute filipina the reality is that there are probably (possibly) some not so well intentioned travellers that would want to take poor girls out of Philippines and put them to work overseas. The selling price for a massage in AC is P300 per hour, the equivalent price in my home town P4000, then add extras. So the financial rewards are there for the less honourable members of society. That we go through that same protection and we pass, that's a good thing.
And I think that there are more likely to be filipinos trafficing the girls than it is to be tall single white males.
BD.
AussieGaigin
05-20-17, 07:53
I would suggest there is less problem getting out of your own country than there would be getting in to another. Your arrival point is where all the questions about your intentions start.
MrWoolyBooly
05-20-17, 11:02
I would suggest there is less problem getting out of your own country than there would be getting in to another. Your arrival point is where all the questions about your intentions start.In any civilized country, there are no problems for citizens to leave. In the Philippines, however...
Wicked Roger
05-20-17, 20:40
And I think that there are more likely to be filipinos trafficing the girls than it is to be tall single white males.
BD.That is very true, some are based in the destination country and scam there when they arrive. The UAE is full of runaway DHs / house girls who used a Filipino agency and the pinoy / pinay in the UAE who represent that agency then change the contract etc.
I know many Filipinos but some of them (these for example) are scum.
I have planned an overseas SE Asian trip with a long time regular of mine most likely HK or Singapore. I've taken three Filipinas out of the Philippines to Hong Kong. All with virgin Passports. All were early 20's. The first had a job as a helper at a private school. Not sure what she told the immigration officer, but there was no delay. This was about 10 years ago. I wasn't aware at the time of any problems at the time so I didn't pay any attention. They might have been less strict then. We met on a dating site.
The second I also met on a dating site and was a student. They took her off to the side and interviewed her for several minutes. I was waiting between immigration and security, when another immigration officer saw me, and suggested I go into the area where they were questioning her. After a few questions to me, and looking at our itinerary that I had on hardcopy, they made us both sign some forms that we would return on the specific dates etc. I told them I was returning to the USA directly from Hong Kong and they let me annotate that on the form. A Cebu Pacific agent had come looking for us. We were the last to board the flight. At the time, I was still unaware that these checks would happen, but read all about them after the trip.
The third I had met in Angeles. Knowing the situation, we agreed to tell them that we met on facebook. We also arrived early at the airport so that if we were delayed, we could still make the flight. We went through the separate immigration lines, and I then walked towards the officer who was processing her. The female officer was very friendly in her questioning and asked how long we knew each other (2 years), if we had traveled before (Baguio, Butuan, Davao). She wanted to see pictures from Baguio. My girlfriend was looking for them on her tablet but was having trouble finding them. So I took out my laptop and started to look for them when the immigration officer saw a picture of her, her parents, and I together (just taken a few days before). She asked if those were her parents. When my girlfriend replied yes, the immigration officer immediately stamped her passport and let her through.
In a few months we will be going to Singapore and will be interesting to see what happens with a non virgin passport.
What is the secret to getting past immigration. Do you have to travel with them? Is it a return ticket? Sorry another FR based upon a question. Hopefully my FR balance allows my recent multiple questions.To increase the girl's chances getting past immigration and onto her flight, have her take a class offered by BI. Designed to educate Filipinas who will work or permanently immigrate overseas about the possible dangers they might face. One day class is available in Manila and / or Cebu for 400 php.
Granted-It is nice to to take a pretty young Philippina to another country and have a nice vacation like boyfriend and girlfriend.
However on the girl, end she is thinking how to look for a long time relationship and get out of Philippines. There are plenty of places in Philippines itself where you can have a nice vacation. This will eliminate all problems with immigration. You actually do not know what immigration people write on your profile. If the girl fails to come back they will know who took her out of the country. Do you need the hassle?
I have taken only Thai girls outside the country to have a vacation. There are no restrictions.
Geneva Guy
05-21-17, 22:12
I've taken three Filipinas out of the Philippines to Hong Kong. All with virgin Passports. All were early 20's. The first had a job as a helper at a private school. Not sure what she told the immigration officer, but there was no delay. This was about 10 years ago. I wasn't aware at the time of any problems at the time so I didn't pay any attention. They might have been less strict then. We met on a dating site.
The second I also met on a dating site and was a student. They took her off to the side and interviewed her for several minutes. I was waiting between immigration and security, when another immigration officer saw me, and suggested I go into the area where they were questioning her. After a few questions to me, and looking at our itinerary that I had on hardcopy, they made us both sign some forms that we would return on the specific dates etc. I told them I was returning to the USA directly from Hong Kong and they let me annotate that on the form. A Cebu Pacific agent had come looking for us. We were the last to board the flight. At the time, I was still unaware that these checks would happen, but read all about them after the trip.
The third I had met in Angeles. Knowing the situation, we agreed to tell them that we met on facebook. We also arrived early at the airport so that if we were delayed, we could still make the flight. We went through the separate immigration lines, and I then walked towards the officer who was processing her. The female officer was very friendly in her questioning and asked how long we knew each other (2 years), if we had traveled before (Baguio, Butuan, Davao). She wanted to see pictures from Baguio. My girlfriend was looking for them on her tablet but was having trouble finding them. So I took out my laptop and started to look for them when the immigration officer saw a picture of her, her parents, and I together (just taken a few days before). She asked if those were her parents. When my girlfriend replied yes, the immigration officer immediately stamped her passport and let her through.
In a few months we will be going to Singapore and will be interesting to see what happens with a non virgin passport.I have taken filipinas and viets thru SG immigration, and just had another ISG "buddy" get a girl from Laos through. So let me share my tips with you:
-Give her a minimum of 500 USD to hold, they rarely ask to look at it, but they will ask her how much $ she has (and they could ask to see it).
-Have a paper copy of the return ticket iterinary, they ask for this almost 100% of the time (and if you haven't booked a return ticket, it could be a big problem for her), don't be a cheap charlie, book the return ticket, you can always change it.
-Fill out the immigration form properly, in pen and in English, readable.
-Don't go immediately into an immigration line. Stand and watch and see who is faster and more friendly of the ICE agents. I try not to go to women with the girls, go to the men agents.
-When you enter a line, stand behind her but when its her turn, don't YOU go past the red line. She goes first. Sometimes you can catch the ICE agents eye when she is going up or is at the agent and say "we are together".
-YOU go second in case they pull her to the desk on the side (pre-immigration). You follow her over to the desk, don't go thru immigration if she is pulled aside, follow her to the desk (often the agents don't accompany the girls, just send them over to the desk on the side).
-While you are waiting for her to get passed thru the line, If another agent in another booth signals you over, just say "thanks, we are together and I am waiting for her to finish up" Don't move out of the line behind her.
-The girl needs to look the agent in the eye and answer directly (none of this shy asian girl crap). For some, singlish that the speak (fast and lots of slang) is hard to understand, so if she doesn't understand what the ICE agent asks, she should politely say "please repeat, I didn't understand the question. ".
-She needs to know WHERE you are staying in SG, exactly (its on the immigration form, but sometimes they ask the person).
This has worked like a charm for me, and again, was tested out 2 weeks ago by another ISG member and he reports it worked fine.
Good luck let us know if this works, any questions, PM me.
GG.
So let me share my tips with you:-for me, and again, was tested out 2 weeks ago by another ISG member and he reports it worked fine. Good luck let us know if this works, any questions, GG.All your simple common sense suggestions are very good. Just note that departing international from Manila Terminal 2, the Filipino and Foreign queues are on opposite sides, so cannot go through together -- wait and watch for her. I'd contend how you are perceived is a paramount factor, so both need to dress 'appropriate'. They will look through phone, whatsapp, tablet photos, et'al. Make sure hers are cleaned up and have photos of you -- and chat logs with you -- for them to see.
Just left Manila 5 hours ago and have a one night layover in Tokyo. I decided take this option as the ticket was $200 less. One night hotel room is less than $80 and it breaks up the flights. I am hoping I will have less jet lag.
Flew ANA and everything was timely and orderly. In plane meal and service was great. Lots of overhead carry on space. Didn't see anyone with more than one carry on and one personal bag.
Immigration was quick and orderly with officer checking your questionnaire before being allowed to enter the line. One single line with an officer at the front of the line directing you to the next available booth. One minute later, fingerprinted, photographed and passport stamped you are in Japan.
After getting my luggage and passed customs I realized I didn't have any cash with me! I went to Information desk and asked if my hotel had a shuttle bus? She pulled out a binder and looked up the hotel and said yes and it will come in 2 hours. I then asked if taxis took credit cards and she said yes, of course. I then asked approximately how much and she replied around 1400 yen.
I went out to the taxi line and show the driver my hotel name and asked if it was 1400 yen. He said close to it but for 200 yen I could just take the bus which ran in 10 minutes. He was dumbfounded that I said let's go. The meter was actually 1210.
I am so shocked no taxi rip offs and the guy tried to save me some money!
BTW, electric motored taxi which was spacious and clean!
Oh yes one other thing, super fast wifi in the hotel.
Just left Manila 5 hours ago and have a one night layover in Tokyo. I decided take this option as the ticket was $200 less. One night hotel room is less than $80 and it breaks up the flights. I am hoping I will have less jet lag.
Flew ANA and everything was timely and orderly. In plane meal and service was great. Lots of overhead carry on space. Didn't see anyone with more than one carry on and one personal bag.
Immigration was quick and orderly with officer checking your questionnaire before being allowed to enter the line. One single line with an officer at the front of the line directing you to the next available booth. One minute later, fingerprinted, photographed and passport stamped you are in Japan.
After getting my luggage and passed customs I realized I didn't have any cash with me! I went to Information desk and asked if my hotel had a shuttle bus? She pulled out a binder and looked up the hotel and said yes and it will come in 2 hours. I then asked if taxis took credit cards and she said yes, of course. I then asked approximately how much and she replied around 1400 yen.
I went out to the taxi line and show the driver my hotel name and asked if it was 1400 yen. He said close to it but for 200 yen I could just take the bus which ran in 10 minutes. He was dumbfounded that I said let's go. The meter was actually 1210.
I am so shocked no taxi rip offs and the guy tried to save me some money!
BTW, electric motored taxi which was spacious and clean!
Oh yes one other thing, super fast wifi in the hotel.I've done that option a couple of times myself on the afternoon JAL flight. Getting out and back in to NRT is very easy and the hotels are not too expensive (although the rooms are quite small). I've recovered from jetlag quicker once back home. Of course, it takes away an evening in Manila but I never do much anyway when I know I have to awake at 5 am for a 26 hour trip back home.
I've done that option a couple of times myself on the afternoon JAL flight. Getting out and back in to NRT is very easy and the hotels are not too expensive (although the rooms are quite small). I've recovered from jetlag quicker once back home. Of course, it takes away an evening in Manila but I never do much anyway when I know I have to awake at 5 am for a 26 hour trip back home.I had a 14:50 flight from Manila so it was ok. Last night I had 2 girls from AC come to Manila so I didn't miss out on any action. Had double good time and the girls left around 8 am so I wasn't rushed to pack and grab lunch before heading for NAIA.
Personally I don't do morning flights anymore if I can help it. Too hard on my body. Used to hate the only flights out of BKK for me was 6 am.
WestCoast1
05-24-17, 12:41
Found on FB:
ATTENTION DABAWENYOS:
Guidelines for Dabawenyos covering the period of Martial Law. Please be guided accordingly.
GENERAL.
1. We will implement a "Hold and Secure" method in ensuring the security of our people.
2. Call 911 immediately to report suspicious-looking persons, materials and actions by group of persons.
3. Exercise prudence in planning your activities.
TRAVEL.
4. Travel to and from Davao City is discouraged, as well as in other places in Mindanao, unless there is an urgent matter that needs to be attended to.
5. Do not leave your residence if you do not have business or matters to attend outside.
6. Travelling via motorcycle convoys is discouraged.
CROWDED PLACES, CHURCHES AND CONCERTED ACTIVITIES.
7. Avoid crowded places.
8. Religious activities are encouraged to be conducted during daytime. Muslims observing Ramadan are encouraged to hold their activities inside mosques and residences.
9. All rallies and large-group activities should have permits from the local government.
CHECKPOINTS.
10. Ensure that you have updated vehicle registration papers, and driver's licenses.
11. Ensure that you have valid and existing licenses for your guns (License to Own and Posses Firearm ("LTOPF") and Permit to Carry ("PTC".
12. Cooperate with the AFP and PNP personnel conducting checkpoints.
13. Familiarize yourself with the contents of your own baggage. Do not accept baggage from strangers.
14. In the conduct of checkpoints, turn off your headlights and turn on your overhead lights during inspection.
15. Allow the inspectors to smoothly make the inspections.
16. Always bring a valid personal identification document.
MINORS and EVENINGS.
17. Minors are extremely discouraged to go out of their residences except when accompanied by adults.
18. Avoid going out late at night and consuming excessive alcohol.
19. Buddy system is encouraged to those who work at night especially during travel to and from work.
20. We encourage that you conduct your personal activities in the daytime.
21. Loitering in all areas is discouraged.
PERSONAL BELONGINGS.
22. Do not leave bags and other personal belongings unattended.
23. Do not leave your cars unattended for a long time.
24. Do not retain large sums of money in your residences.
BUSINESS ESTABLISHMENTS AND SCHOOLS.
25. Business establishments and schools are required to create emergency plans for their respective premises.
26. Business establishments and schools are encouraged to invest in private security, modern security equipment and fire extinguishing equipment.
27. Do not retain large sums of money in your premises.
28. Schools are encouraged to implement tighter security measures by properly screening guests.
TOURISTS and TOURISM ACTIVITIES.
29. Tourists are discouraged from going to areas that are not included among the main tourism areas of the city.
30. Always bring with you your passports and other proofs of identification.
Jack Burton
05-24-17, 14:18
P. S. Tuesday, April 11, Bohol, Philippines. Breaking News.
Local social media are abuzz with reports of pitched battle in Inabanga, Bohol, between government forces (PNP and Army) and a heavily armed bandit group, possibly led by Abu Sayaf sub-leader Abu Rami, believed to be attempting to infiltrate by boat from Mindanao.
Per initial reports: 5 bandits, plus 1 policeman and 3 Army soldiers have been killed.
P.S. Inabanga is on the northern coast of Bohol, approximately 70 km north of Tagbilaran. The ASEAN Bohol Summit had been scheduled to start April 18-22 on Panglao Island, south of Tagbilaran.My GF lives (lived) about 2 miles from gunfight location (family home). She has hightailed it out, and to date has not returned. Nobody appears to know if these visitors were invited, or self-invited.
I finished booking everything this morning, my trip will be from the 26th of June till the 13th of July "changeable", and I booked the local flights. Will be going to cebu city through cebu pacific for 4 days, then going to boracay through The Philippines airlines for 3 days, then coming back to manila for the rest of the trip using airasia. All the local flights cost me around $150, but my question is do I need to have the actual ticket with me when I go to the airport or the booking number is enough?
I finished booking everything this morning, my trip will be from the 26th of June till the 13th of July "changeable", and I booked the local flights. Will be going to cebu city through cebu pacific for 4 days, then going to boracay through The Philippines airlines for 3 days, then coming back to manila for the rest of the trip using airasia. All the local flights cost me around $150, but my question is do I need to have the actual ticket with me when I go to the airport or the booking number is enough?Depends on who is on duty. Some ask and some don't. Best to have a copy of the boooking on your tablet or cell phone to show if asked in lieu of a ticket or paper copy.
Depends on who is on duty. Some ask and some don't. Best to have a copy of the boooking on your tablet or cell phone to show if asked in lieu of a ticket or paper copy.Had to come back home for due to sickness and I looked crap, people at home booked online and reservation was at airport so no paper copy.
Arrived at Manila airport to see long line with guards checking tickets. Asked one. What if I don't have a paper ticket. He said you can't go in. Then and there I shit myself.
Ok so what to do. Probably because I was feeling like shit I thought F this I'm going in - (Cue the Ride of the Valkyries music) I chose line that was moving fastest and pushed in (not the same line guard I asked before) got to the front and said I'm going to Aust -My friends have booked online. My ticket is inside. I then started walking through briskly (there was no way I wasn't getting in there) - by the time I was 5 steps away he said Where are you going I replied my destination and by now was 10 steps away. I just kept on walking didn't look back. Whole time the adrenaline was racing through my body and this was my first trip to manila.
I was sick as and all I wanted to do was get on that bloody plane and get home.
GoodEnough
05-26-17, 23:37
I finished booking everything this morning, my trip will be from the 26th of June till the 13th of July "changeable", and I booked the local flights. Will be going to cebu city through cebu pacific for 4 days, then going to boracay through The Philippines airlines for 3 days, then coming back to manila for the rest of the trip using airasia. All the local flights cost me around $150, but my question is do I need to have the actual ticket with me when I go to the airport or the booking number is enough?The folks checking tickets for airport entry are poorly trained and inconsistent. I suggest you print out whatever you have, as the digital age hasn't totally dawned here. Cebu Pacific and PAL both allow you to check in on line and print your boarding pass, and I suggest you do so. When I'm staying at a hotel here, I'll typically check in on line, have the airline email me a copy of the boarding pass, and then have someone at the hotel print out the boarding pass. It's a system that's worked well for me. Also, having the boarding pass in hand allows you to bypass the check-in lines and go directly to the departure gate.
GE.
BrainDrain
05-27-17, 01:13
The folks checking tickets for airport entry are poorly trained and inconsistent. I suggest you print out whatever you have, as the digital age hasn't totally dawned here. Cebu Pacific and PAL both allow you to check in on line and print your boarding pass, and I suggest you do so. When I'm staying at a hotel here, I'll typically check in on line, have the airline email me a copy of the boarding pass, and then have someone at the hotel print out the boarding pass. It's a system that's worked well for me. Also, having the boarding pass in hand allows you to bypass the check-in lines and go directly to the departure gate.
GE.As you say the country is full of inconsistencies. My experiences:
I use tripit.com for my flight itineraries and just show them the booking details on my phone. This is quite convenient as I don't carry paper copies. This has worked for me for the past 6 years.
I have done various forms of online checkins and some airports still require a visit to the check-in counter. That was my experience with Cebu Pacific where I had gone directly to the gate and they had off loaded me as I had not gone to the check-in counter.
Interestingly to segway to "credit card" the bookings always say to present with the same credit card as the booking was made. He tickets I've purchased for pinay, they have never been asked. I was asked once by Singapore Airlines at NAIA and failed! I had to provide additional credit card as a backup payment. How annoying.
Happy days in paradise.
BD.
Interestingly to segway to "credit card" the bookings always say to present with the same credit card as the booking was made. He tickets I've purchased for pinay, they have never been asked. I was asked once by Singapore Airlines at NAIA and failed! I had to provide additional credit card as a backup payment. How annoying. Thai Airways and Korean Air are both VERY strict about showing the credit card used for booking. I had given my asawa a copy of the credit card duly signed and authenticated by me when she was checking in to join me in Bkk (I had gone ahead).
She was not allowed to check in. She had to repay for her ticket using her own credit card and then I had to get the refund for the fare paid on my CC (which I did, eventually, after some 2 months delay).
As GE says, it's better to have a paper version of your ticket in your hand, because you never know who is on duty that particular day. With the increased level of security around now with martial law in Mindanao, you just might find that last week's rules are now changed.
Member #4558
05-27-17, 03:08
Its approx an 50/50 experience to me. I have my bookingconfirmation stored on iBook. Sometimes when I queue up and security ask for ticket I start to get out my iPad, they mostly just stare away and ask the next in line. I just move on. The 50/50 is being asked for ticket / confirmation in the first place. Maybe something to do with the fact I mostly hit T3 late eve for EK flight departing a tad before or after midnight (pending on their rapid changing schedule). T3 is quoting down around these hours departure wince and security soon ends their shift. Tired I guess. Only Dubai and Hong Kong left for Intl. Departures.
Depends on who is on duty. Some ask and some don't. Best to have a copy of the boooking on your tablet or cell phone to show if asked in lieu of a ticket or paper copy.
The folks checking tickets for airport entry are poorly trained and inconsistent. I suggest you print out whatever you have, as the digital age hasn't totally dawned here. Cebu Pacific and PAL both allow you to check in on line and print your boarding pass, and I suggest you do so. When I'm staying at a hotel here, I'll typically check in on line, have the airline email me a copy of the boarding pass, and then have someone at the hotel print out the boarding pass. It's a system that's worked well for me. Also, having the boarding pass in hand allows you to bypass the check-in lines and go directly to the departure gate.
GE.Thanks guys, then definitely I'm going to print a copy of the tickets, just in case.
Thanks guys, then definitely I'm going to print a copy of the tickets, just in case.I use the baggage porters and they bypass the long lines outside in the heat or rain to the first X-ray machine security check and usually take me to the front of the check in line. I tip them P100, well worth it to me.
Cheap Charlie's please disregard this post.
Wicked Roger
05-27-17, 08:45
I use the baggage porters and they bypass the long lines outside in the heat or rain to the first X-ray machine security check and usually take me to the front of the check in line. I tip them P100, well worth it to me.
Cheap Charlie's please disregard this post.I do the same but the only problem sometimes is finding a free one so when I see one I shout and whistle if needed to get the attention, once they see a foreigner they generally come across and ignore others.
I do the same but the only problem sometimes is finding a free one so when I see one I shout and whistle if needed to get the attention, once they see a foreigner they generally come across and ignore others.WR, if you keep your dog collars and chains covered up along with your other apparatus you might find assistance much easier!
Very few want to carry the Wicked's bag.
. Cebu Pacific and PAL both allow you to check in on line and print your boarding pass, and I suggest you do so.Of course, you'll want to do online check-in with any airline with which you don't have gold / platinum status -- in order to avoid the lines, although now with machine kiosks, check-in can be done quickly at the airport, with just bags to drop. Discount carriers let you check in days in advance -- sole purpose being to market the upsell. Problem is, if your plans change at the last minute, once you've checked in with some airlines it is not so simple to get a refund or ticket change: you risk losing it completely.
Wicked Roger
05-27-17, 18:59
WR, if you keep your dog collars and chains covered up along with your other apparatus you might find assistance much easier!
Very few want to carry the Wicked's bag.Who me? LOL.
I tip well DG and sometimes I have seen the same guy and if he sees me he will for sure come over and offer help.
Only a few times have I been questioned about certain 'contents' and I just point to the cutie (if she is with me) and security smile and laugh.
But I have learned over the year to leave a bag or two in various cities and / or give some cuties a pasalubong which means the bag is not as 'wicked' as before (but I did ask DHL to fly in some special stuff to Manila once. Was a fun day explaining the content to the lady at DHL in the UK.
GoodEnough
05-28-17, 00:17
Of course, you'll want to do online check-in with any airline with which you don't have gold / platinum status -- in order to avoid the lines, although now with machine kiosks, check-in can be done quickly at the airport, with just bags to drop. Discount carriers let you check in days in advance -- sole purpose being to market the upsell. Problem is, if your plans change at the last minute, once you've checked in with some airlines it is not so simple to get a refund or ticket change: you risk losing it completely.I have never seen machine kiosks at any terminal in the Philippines, though it's possible that I've missed them and they do exist. I did once try to go through security with nothing but my digital ticket and was promptly sent to a counter and told to get a physical printout. The digital era here is in its infancy--remember this country still engages in the wide use of carbon paper--and assumptions about check-in procedures in more developed places often don't hold here. Aside from Manila, lining up to pay the airport departure tax is still required. This remains a basically analog place.
GE.
I have never seen machine kiosks at any terminal in the Philippines, though it's possible that I've missed them and they do exist. -and assumptions about check-in procedures in more developed places often don't hold here. Machines printing boarding passes exist in Manila airport. No assumptions were being made: only statements of experience in Philippines.
I have never seen so much paperwork to get on to ferry with a motorcycle. In Manila. I had to make at least 8 stops on different windows.
I have never seen machine kiosks at any terminal in the Philippines, though it's possible that I've missed them and they do exist. I did once try to go through security with nothing but my digital ticket and was promptly sent to a counter and told to get a physical printout. The digital era here is in its infancy--remember this country still engages in the wide use of carbon paper--and assumptions about check-in procedures in more developed places often don't hold here. Aside from Manila, lining up to pay the airport departure tax is still required. This remains a basically analog place.
GE.
Member #4558
05-29-17, 19:58
Analog world yes and moving up to the digital one will take huge investments. Even if the moneys are there we all know someone pocket them before any investments are being made. On the other hand workers are cheap and paid small coins so if the employ like 8 people doing the same 1 person does back in the real world, it's still cheap.
Analog world yes and moving up to the digital one will take huge investments. Even if the moneys are there we all know someone pocket them before any investments are being made. On the other hand workers are cheap and paid small coins so if the employ like 8 people doing the same 1 person does back in the real world, it's still cheap.Yesterday I was listening a HRM student who is going to do an OJT. Apparently 1000 hours required for the graduation. A free labor to the industry. Unbelievable.
Yesterday I was listening a HRM student who is going to do an OJT. Apparently 1000 hours required for the graduation. A free labor to the industry. Unbelievable.You didn't get the full story. They need to pay to work OJT.
Just returned from a quick visit and had chance to use the new bridge connecting naia 3 and resortworld. I think it opened about a month or so ago. From the airport, you have to go up to the food court on 4th level. It should be noted that there were absolutely no signage that I could see so I don't think many people know since you have to walk thru the food court. The moving walkways were working and there was also a cart to drive you. Once you exit on the resorts world side there are free shuttle vans for Marriott, Remington and maxim hotels. Directly across is the Belmont hotel. Very convenient for the morning Ana flight to narita but I saw absolutely no one else using it during both directions perhaps due to the lack of signage.
Member #4558
06-01-17, 14:00
You didn't get the full story. They need to pay to work OJT.Well I don't think they all have to pay for their OJT. I've had girls telling me in fact they got paid doing OJT (small compared to the their future small wage but still better than nothing). And of course a few weren't paid a single maid. But to my knowledge they didn't have to pay for OJT. BM Salty's statement can very well be true as well in a few cases but I doubt paying for OJT is not what all have to do. I can see no reason why the girls would lie about being paid small or paid nothing.
Well I don't think they all have to pay for their OJT. I've had girls telling me in fact they got paid doing OJT (small compared to the their future small wage but still better than nothing). And of course a few weren't paid a single maid. But to my knowledge they didn't have to pay for OJT. BM Salty's statement can very well be true as well in a few cases but I doubt paying for OJT is not what all have to do. I can see no reason why the girls would lie about being paid small or paid nothing.Whether they pay the OJT employer or not may be different in some cases. Meanwhile in OJT they might still be paying the school tuition for the OJT time frame.
The point is they are screwed and some are more screwed.
Don't forget many are from out of town and have to pay for their own room and board. All for HRM degree which they can qualify for a job at minimum wage on 6 month contract.
Well I don't think they all have to pay for their OJT. I've had girls telling me in fact they got paid doing OJT (small compared to the their future small wage but still better than nothing). And of course a few weren't paid a single maid. But to my knowledge they didn't have to pay for OJT. BM Salty's statement can very well be true as well in a few cases but I doubt paying for OJT is not what all have to do. I can see no reason why the girls would lie about being paid small or paid nothing.You are right, of course. I should have said that they 'often' have to pay for OJT. And of course pay for and attend useless seminars on how to make a resume, how to interview, blah blah blah, where often the "Professor" doesn't even bother to show up. Oh, and then they have to pay for a diploma, the graduation ceremony, and the gown before they are allowed to graduate. It really is quite the sham.
As far as I can tell, after earning a HRM degree, a waiter / waitress has learned 3 things:
1. ALWAYS interrupt the conversation, even if it appears to me intimate. Make that ESPECIALLY if it appears to be intimate.
2. ALWAYS re-state the order.
3. Always say "Sir, I have received phpXXXX" when paid.
Unfortunately, a degree does not ensure competence.
Member #4558
06-01-17, 22:48
Yes I agree. Like many things in Phils, decent and indecent students, are basically fucked one way or another from reasons mentioned from other BMs. Girls I meet doing the OJT shuffle are often proud going forward in life and reaching this stage of their educ. I mostly encourage educ and I don't want to be the one destroying their positive attitude towards their future. They find out sooner or later themselves it was all for a jolli clerk position anyway at best (to be a tad cruel).
Wicked Roger
06-02-17, 04:39
Whether they pay the OJT employer or not may be different in some cases. Meanwhile in OJT they might still be paying the school tuition for the OJT time frame.
The point is they are screwed and some are more screwed.
Don't forget many are from out of town and have to pay for their own room and board. All for HRM degree which they can qualify for a job at minimum wage on 6 month contract.I agree that mostly they pay for OJT and in fact all those I know who do / did OJT have paid and as DG says many are not living in the same town so have additional expenses. Those who intern in the USA have huge bills to pay and agencies rip them off badly.
Is a mess as the HRM course are worthless and while you must not dampen enthusiasm I try to persuade them to take other courses before they embark a 4 year course where there are limited job prospect apart from being used as slave labour in fast food places.
GoodEnough
06-02-17, 12:16
I agree that mostly they pay for OJT and in fact all those I know who do / did OJT have paid and as DG says many are not living in the same town so have additional expenses. Those who intern in the USA have huge bills to pay and agencies rip them off badly.
Is a mess as the HRM course are worthless and while you must not dampen enthusiasm I try to persuade them to take other courses before they embark a 4 year course where there are limited job prospect apart from being used as slave labour in fast food places.As a former GM of a major hotel in Davao once commented to me, HRM students spend four years learning to make beds and fold napkins, and at the end of four years, they qualify to work as waitresses, knowing little or nothing about hotel management. Much the same holds true for the current educational craze of "culinary arts," from which students graduate after two years, firmly believing that they are "chefs," only to be roughly disabused of that notion once they plunge into the sea of reality. And so it goes.
The incongruity between skills taught and skills needed is not limited to specific curricula, but applies across most if not all of the academic spectrum. To illustrate this point further, a few years ago, I arranged for a friend of mine, a European software engineer with a highly successful company, to meet with some IT professors at a major university here. He left the meeting after a couple of hours shaking his head, telling me that the skills the students were acquiring were so outdated, and ultimately so irrelevant to the needs of software development firms, that the best the students could hope for after graduating was to get a job developing websites as their programming skills were primitive by European standards.
The deep abyss between academia and real-world skills here is likely attributable to several factors and I don't claim to know them all. One however, must surely be that in most economic sectors this country falls dramatically short of minimally acceptable international standards at almost every rung of the ladder; a function no doubt of a fairly closed crony capitalism that precludes meaningful competition and excludes the admission of foreign competition. The bar is set low, but Filipinos who haven't traveled much may be ignorant of this fact, and receive their rude awakening once they try to sell their skills into an overseas market. A second, related factor is that so many universities here are so poorly equipped and staffed with so many unqualified faculty that the system becomes self-perpetuating, with mediocrity giving birth to more mediocrity. I recall a university president--whose academic field was similar to mine--proudly giving me a copy of an article he had had published in a local academic journal. It was so convoluted, so poorly written and poorly constructed that it's chance of having been accepted in a true internationally peer-reviewed journal would have been about zero.
A further confounding factor is the growth of the local labor market. The birth rate here remains high, and the number of young people seeking to enter the labor market vastly outstrips the number of jobs created by the economy, so even if graduates were highly qualified for the jobs they seek, the mismatch between job seekers and employment opportunity would be huge.
GE.
GoodEnough
06-02-17, 17:27
Per CNN Philippines: http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/06/02/Duterte-Terrorism-in-PH-funded-by-drug-money.html.
GE.
Wicked Roger
06-03-17, 02:30
Per CNN Philippines: http://cnnphilippines.com/news/2017/06/02/Duterte-Terrorism-in-PH-funded-by-drug-money.html.
GE.This was reported in the local press with the comment that as there is Martial Law there will be arrest of narco politicians who are supporting the group and / or using them to protect the durg business. Said in one report some are incumbent legislators. Why does that not surprise me GE.
http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/06/01/1705623/drugs-funding-terror
Also talk of extending this to the Visayas.
Some of my friends are very supportive of this and blame the rich elite and LP politicians / support base for trying to destabilise matters as they are finding their schemes, scams and drug income at rik. Whatever it is they are firmly in D30's camp.
Nice Guy 99
06-03-17, 03:00
but Filipinos who haven't traveled much may be ignorant of this fact, and receive their rude awakening once they try to sell their skills into an overseas market.
GE.Key factor. The village girls live in a bubble. Once they are OWC they can better judge prospects and the value of education.
Wicked Roger
06-03-17, 08:13
Key factor. The village girls live in a bubble. Once they are OWC they can better judge prospects and the value of education.True NG once they earn PHP 15 k max in the UAE (housekeeper, DH, fast food creew) and free food is rubbish and shared bed spacers plus the high cost living etc and find the family think they are 'rich' and demand lots of cash etc.
Then they realise the bubble has burst.
So many examples I know of (as am sure you have) and they struggle more there than they do if they stayed at home and worked in a call centre IMHO.
BroComplex
06-04-17, 01:53
True NG once they earn PHP 15 k max in the UAE (housekeeper, DH, fast food creew) and free food is rubbish and shared bed spacers plus the high cost living etc and find the family think they are 'rich' and demand lots of cash etc.
Then they realise the bubble has burst.
So many examples I know of (as am sure you have) and they struggle more there than they do if they stayed at home and worked in a call centre IMHO.Most of them are working on the side just set the location on any dating website to Dubai and its mostly Filipinos. I know one who works in Oman she told me some of the girls have 2 or 3 boyfriends at the same time just to get some money and expensive gifts.
GoodEnough
06-04-17, 04:31
We keep repeating variations on a common theme: given the structure of this economy, which offers little hope for financial advancement save for the chosen few there are few alternatives. College / university education is not--as it is in many other countries--much of a vehicle for upward mobility and emigration for employment appears to many as the only viable alternative aside, perhaps, from working in a bar. The fact that many, if not most Filipinos who emigrate are further exploited at their overseas destinations doesn't seem to act as a deterrent to the large throng wanting to leave. The "official" statistics indicate that approximately 10% of the population (which would be about 10 million people) work overseas. I'm guessing the actual percentage is somewhat higher though I have no means of verifying that assertion.
Several years ago a research organization conducted polls in several SE Asian countries relative to desires for emigration. While I don't remember the specific outcomes, I do recall that an overwhelming majority of Filipinos indicated that they would leave if offered the opportunity to do so. I also recall that in Thailand, the percentage of those expressing any desire to leave their country was dramatically smaller.
Several Filipino academics have studied the sociological implications of absentee parenting caused by one or the other parent working overseas, and their research as I recall, indicated that such absences were correlated with many problems for those left behind; both for the children and the remaining spouse. Given that OFWs represent the second largest source of foreign exchange revenues, and account for significant consumer spending (from the remittances sent home), there appears to be no firm intention to change the course in an effort to retain more people here, so the diaspora will no doubt continue as there's a good chance that without a massive number of OFWs sending billions of hard currency back home, the economy would collapse.
GE.
Member #4566
06-11-17, 17:04
In November I got round trip from SFO to MNL for $487 on China Southern. Short layovers in Guangzhou. Try ASAP tickets.
MrWoolyBooly
06-12-17, 01:48
I can say proudly that I've made virtually every mistake it's possible to make in Manila. Some of those mistakes I made despite having read of other people making the same mistakes on this very forum. Never underestimate a stupid person's ability to think "it won't happen to me" immediately before it does. Great report that hit a nerve. The wise reader will learn from your experience. I'd even say nobody on this board is truly a veteran with Pinays in situ until he's made some of the mistakes you describe:
- Booked too close together and had to scramble to clean and make excuses.
- Had an intoxicatingly gorgeous Pinay get under your skin just enough to screw up plans with other Pinays.
- Had a Pinay's tardiness hork up your schedule.
- Booked beyond the limits of endurance, we all have them with or without pharmaceutical aid.
Would you add any other problematic experiences to earn the "Veteran of Pinays" badge? I'd maybe add one:
- Negotiated a price while drunk on alcohol or horniness.
I noticed that I couldn't find any US-Cebu nonstops when I did an Orbitz search last month.We had our direct flights from LA to Cebu cancelled. They re-booked us with some shitty flights through Manila which we could have purchased much cheaper if we booked those originally in March.
We had our direct flights from LA to Cebu cancelled. They re-booked us with some shitty flights through Manila which we could have purchased much cheaper if we booked those originally in March.Proves, that if you had paid 20 dollars to join ISG, get Private Message facility, and access to all the juicy info that entails, you would have been able to book flights a bit smarter. Cheaper is not always better. Regards, and enjoy Cebu.
BrainDrain
06-12-17, 23:15
Would you add any other problematic experiences to earn the "Veteran of Pinays" badge? I'd maybe add one:
Who could forget that unexpected Viber message "Hi Honey, do you miss my BJ? from previous night's girl on your iPhone screen which the current pinay in your bed sees.
MrWoolyBooly
06-13-17, 00:47
Who could forget that unexpected Viber message "Hi Honey, do you miss my BJ? from previous night's girl on your iPhone screen which the current pinay in your bed sees.Good one! I forgot about showing the girl the hot pictures we just took together and unthinkingly scrolling a bit too far or backing out to the thumbnails. I always get distracted from hiding my previous lovely's pics.
FreebieFan
06-13-17, 01:31
Who could forget that unexpected Viber message "Hi Honey, do you miss my BJ? from previous night's girl on your iPhone screen which the current pinay in your bed sees.Or the fact you have Imo on your phone which is always on silent. But if you also have the Imo app on ipad, it rings every time a girl makes an unexpected (why don't you ask if its ok! Video call. And of course theres the screen ringing, with a girls profile pic showing her in her bra and panties and the honey you are with saying " I think your friend is trying to contact you " at which point the honey you are with suddenly becomes North Pole Cool.
MrWoolyBooly
06-13-17, 02:00
Or the fact you have Imo on your phone which is always on silent. But if you also have the Imo app on ipad, it rings every time a girl makes an unexpected (why don't you ask if its ok! Video call. And of course theres the screen ringing, with a girls profile pic showing her in her bra and panties and the honey you are with saying " I think your friend is trying to contact you " at which point the honey you are with suddenly becomes North Pole Cool.It's those awkward situations that turn newbies into veterans haha I've felt the chill. My best thaw-'em-out line: "Actions speak louder than words. She wants to be with me, but who am I with?
Today's issue of Cebu Sun Star (June 15) contains an interesting article with statistics related to expat retirement in the Phils.
The article cites retirement statistics as reported by the PRA (Philippine Retirement Authority) regarding the approximately 50,000 SRRVs (Special Resident Retirement Visas) issued by PRA during the past three decades, as follows:
1. 34% Chinese (mainland), with 17,768 SRRVs issued (question: shouldn't this percentage be 36%.
2. 21% Koreans, with 10,384.
3. 9% Taiwanese, with 4,524.
4. 8% Indians, with 3,991.
5. 7% Japanese, with 3,442.
Per the article, the remainder of the "top 10" was comprised of Americans, HK Chinese, British, Germans, and Australians.
These figures do not take into account the many expats who have effectively retired to the Phils, but who have not obtained SRRVs.
For those who might be interested, here is the link to the article, entitled "More Chinese Retire in the Philippines":
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/business/2017/06/15/more-chinese-retire-philippines-547456
Cheers!
OM.
Hi Everybody,
Quiet some time I didnot post anything here but I did not really monger around.
I might go soon to the Philippines and like to prepare me a bit before I go there.
Are there other free datingsites than DIA (date in asia) where I can have a try to arrange something before I fly there?
Would be highly appreciated.
Take care everybody.
Ms Account
06-15-17, 14:31
When I have previously extended a visa beyond one month, you pay a same day processing fee and you get your passport same day with a new visa. Just recently went to the Cebu office and was told the bureau has ceased same day processing you have to come back 3 days later to pick it up. I presume it is nationwide not just Cebu. If anyone has a different experience in Manila please advise as I will revert to using Manila in the future.
Hi Everybody,
Quiet some time I didnot post anything here but I did not really monger around.
I might go soon to the Philippines and like to prepare me a bit before I go there.
Are there other free datingsites than DIA (date in asia) where I can have a try to arrange something before I fly there?
Would be highly appreciated.
Take care everybody.Many to try. Filipinocupid, romancetale, christianfilipina, pilipinalove, asiandating, travelmate, idateasia, the list goes on and on. Good luck!
FreebieFan
06-16-17, 01:31
Today's issue of Cebu Sun Star (June 15) contains an interesting article with statistics related to expat retirement in the Phils.
The article cites retirement statistics as reported by the PRA (Philippine Retirement Authority) regarding the approximately 50,000 SRRVs (Special Resident Retirement Visas) issued by PRA during the past three decades, as follows:
1. 34% Chinese (mainland), with 17,768 SRRVs issued (question: shouldn't this percentage be 36%.
2. 21% Koreans, with 10,384.
3. 9% Taiwanese, with 4,524.
4. 8% Indians, with 3,991.
5. 7% Japanese, with 3,442.
Per the article, the remainder of the "top 10" was comprised of Americans, HK Chinese, British, Germans, and Australians.
These figures do not take into account the many expats who have effectively retired to the Phils, but who have not obtained SRRVs.
For those who might be interested, here is the link to the article, entitled "More Chinese Retire in the Philippines":
http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/business/2017/06/15/more-chinese-retire-philippines-547456
Cheers!
OM.I visited the SRRV offices in Makati recently. Full of Chinese with their agents. Some people are doing good business.
Interestingly I had done a medical in China which I presented (having previously talked to a SRRV person who indicated this was fine) and was told " No we don't accept medicals from China, anymore. Too many fakes! ". Oh well so much for me having done this in the best International hospital in Beijing, which is 50 staffed by foreign doctors. . more and more Chinese seen on the streets of Makati every day. More and more Chinese seen in all the Airbnb apartments buildings that I use.
When I have previously extended a visa beyond one month, you pay a same day processing fee and you get your passport same day with a new visa. Just recently went to the Cebu office and was told the bureau has ceased same day processing you have to come back 3 days later to pick it up. I presume it is nationwide not just Cebu. If anyone has a different experience in Manila please advise as I will revert to using Manila in the future.It appears that in major cities the new policy stands. But have heard that in some outlying islands the express lane is still available. The caveat is BI has done away with the 1000 fee so renewal is cheaper. A little birdie told me that the BI office on Mactan still offers express service!
I visited the SRRV offices in Makati recently. Full of Chinese with their agents. Some people are doing good business.
Interestingly I had done a medical in China which I presented (having previously talked to a SRRV person who indicated this was fine) and was told " No we don't accept medicals from China, anymore. Too many fakes! ". Oh well so much for me having done this in the best International hospital in Beijing, which is 50 staffed by foreign doctors. . more and more Chinese seen on the streets of Makati every day. More and more Chinese seen in all the Airbnb apartments buildings that I use.Ha ha, good one Freebie. As distinguished from "fake" medicals from the Phils, which are acceptable?
I would speculate that the number of retirees and other visitors in Phils from China will increase exponentially this year and in years to come.
Just another sign of the evolving times.
OM.
Just saw the report that, hopefully starting from October 1 of this year, Philippine passport holders will enjoy visa-free entry to Taiwan for up to 30 days. So, will or may be easier to visit Taiwan with Filipina asawa or GF. The effective date was originally to have been July 1, but was postponed. Hopefully, not to be postponed again. Currently, Taiwan e-visas for single entry stays up to 30 days are available on-line.
US and certain other PPT holders of course have enjoyed visa-free entry to Taiwan for many years now.
OM.
Hi guys, my little spinner comes from Isabela in Luzon.
Anyone live there or been in this area that can tell me what it's like?
Thanks.
Hi guys, my little spinner comes from Isabela in Luzon.
Anyone live there or been in this area that can tell me what it's like?
Thanks.I sent you a PM Shazz.
BrainDrain
06-17-17, 01:43
Are there other free datingsites than DIA (date in asia) where I can have a try to arrange something before I fly there?
Just choose one site and work it. Sames girls different sites, so you only need one site.
Greetings,
I am thinking about making a 4th trip to Phil. For a summary, The first time, I went to Manila, then Cebu, then Davao. The first time, I went to Manila, Cebu, Davao, then back to Cebu, then to Manila I planned on meeting a non pro in each city. If I like them, I might repeat, find another one on the return, or find working girls. The first trip I spent a few days near LA cafe, then to Makati where I met a Cupid Non Pro that I had been chatting with. We hit it off, so I spent two days with her, then on to Cebu. I was worn out from the Cupid girl, so in Cebu, just chilled at the hotel and hit up Mango Ave. In Davao, I met another Cupid and we spent a couple of nights together. Back to Cebu, no cupid girls, then back to Makati. I met my Cupid Girl for one more night, then back home. I chatted up the Cupid girl for the next 6 months. I made a return trip to Manila to see her, but spent time in Japan and around LA Cafe before meeting her in Makati. She had starting acting a little strange before this trip, but I planned on taking her to Boracay. Even thought she wasn't quite the same, I we still had sex a couple of times a day. I made a return to Japan, then back home. We had a few chats, then haven't heard from her in a while.
I made one more trip, I didn't see any dating site girls, just LA Cafe area, Makati, and Subic.
Anyway, I may have two weeks to spend, and would like to know what you would suggest. I am sure I would spend a few days in Manila. I tend to have more favorites on FC from Cebu. And I would like to be around the beach more. I don't want to spend too much time traveling around. Any thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated.
Soapy Smith
06-21-17, 12:13
I found this story in the Star a few days ago. I'm posting it here since the "Living in the Phils" thread is relegated to the low readership threads "down below the fold".
" Foreign retirees can now join PhilHealth.
By Sheila Crisostomo (The Philippine Star).
Updated June 18,2017 - 12:00 am.
MANILA, Philippines. Starting July 1, foreigners and former Filipino citizens who have chosen to retire in the Philippines may enroll in the Philippine Health Insurance Corp. (PhilHealth).
In a statement, PhilHealth said the new policy is based on a memorandum of understanding (MOU) the agency signed with the Philippine Retirement Authority in 2015.
Under the MOU, qualified foreign retirees registered with the PRA or former Filipinos may become PhilHealth members under the informal economy member category to gain access to medical care services in the country.
Interested foreign retirees may submit PhilHealth member registration forms for foreign nationals to the PRA, which will facilitate their enrolment into the National Health Insurance Program.
The requirements for their enrolment are their special resident retiree's visa and documents indicating they have been granted permanent residency status.
Excluded from the foreign retirees' benefits are the Z benefit package, meant for health conditions that require prolonged hospitalization and expensive treatments; reimbursement for all confinements abroad and benefits for women about to give birth.
Nation (Article MRec), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1.
The annual premium contribution rate for PRA foreign retirees is P15,000 while that of other foreign citizens is P17,000. ".
A brief web search showed that this proposal has been kicking around for a couple years. Can anybody among the ExPats shed some light? Benefits, tradeoffs, limitations? Thanks in advance to anybody willing to fill in details.
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Nation (Article MRec), pagematch: 1, sectionmatch: 1.
The annual premium contribution rate for PRA foreign retirees is P15,000 while that of other foreign citizens is P17,000. ".
A brief web search showed that this proposal has been kicking around for a couple years. Can anybody among the ExPats shed some light? Benefits, tradeoffs, limitations? Thanks in advance to anybody willing to fill in details.The benefits for filipinos from PhilHealth are very limited, so the same holds for foreigners.
My wife is a member of PhilHealth but I still have a substantial alternative health cover for her.
The exclusions listed for foreigners also should temper any reader's excitement that they are now "covered" for health care in the Phils.
As I have said many times before on this site- make sure that if you plan to resettle or retire here that you make sure you have adequate health care at an international level.
WestCoast1
06-22-17, 09:15
As seen recently. P50.25 on the USD. Anyone getting higher?
GoodEnough
06-22-17, 13:42
As seen recently. P50.25 on the USD. Anyone getting higher?Official ratée as of a minute ago was 50.36 so 50.25 is pretty good.
Official rate as of a minute ago was 50.36 so 50.25 is pretty good.As of 13:00 EDT the rate is 50.22. Of course this is the rate for large transactions. Your rate can most likely be lower unless there is a black market demand for $$.
I usually am ok with 1/2 to 1% spread depending on the need and amount of conversion.
Since you've been around the block a few times, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, or why. So, I'll just throw a few things out there.
If you have a gal that you feel comfortable traveling with, then there are many options from Cebu City (see Cebu thread). Using Ocean jet or other services you can get to Bohol (white sand at Alona Beach, Tarsier Sanctuary, Loboc River, etc). I've gone to Dumaguete (Dauin, Apo Island, snorkeling) using ferry and bus. You can get to Ormoc, Leyte, although the beaches aren't so great near the city. Islands on my bucket list: Siquior, Camotes.
From Cebu city go north on the island to find Malapasqua or Bantayan Island or south to Oslob (whale watching, beautiful waterfall) or Moalboal. On the south tip of Cebu Island there is a short ferry ride across to Dumaguete port.
Picture: Malapasqua at sunset. X Man.
Greetings,
SNIP
Anyway, I may have two weeks to spend, and would like to know what you would suggest. I am sure I would spend a few days in Manila. I tend to have more favorites on FC from Cebu. And I would like to be around the beach more. I don't want to spend too much time traveling around. Any thoughts, suggestions would be appreciated.
Since you've been around the block a few times, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, or why. So, I'll just throw a few things out there.
If you have a gal that you feel comfortable traveling with, then there are many options from Cebu City (see Cebu thread). Using Ocean jet or other services you can get to Bohol (white sand at Alona Beach, Tarsier Sanctuary, Loboc River, etc). I've gone to Dumaguete (Dauin, Apo Island, snorkeling) using ferry and bus. You can get to Ormoc, Leyte, although the beaches aren't so great near the city. Islands on my bucket list: Siquior, Camotes.
From Cebu city go north on the island to find Malapasqua or Bantayan Island or south to Oslob (whale watching, beautiful waterfall) or Moalboal. On the south tip of Cebu Island there is a short ferry ride across to Dumaguete port.
Picture: Malapasqua at sunset. X Man.Thanks for the info. I guess what I was asking, and should have clarified more, is what would you do with two weeks in Phil. For myself I don't want to do too much traveling, especially with the long flight back and other. But a couple of in country trips would be ok. Also, I find that many favorites or girls contacting my on FC etc are from Cebu. Not that I have done a survey, and I probably don't consider the ones from places that I would not go. If I pick a girl to travel with I would probably pick someone that I meet while there to make sure that it is someone I want to spend time with.
Thanks again, looks like plenty to do in Cebu with some time.
WestCoast1
06-29-17, 12:30
I was calm through this.
So I'm in the province for a few days with my pinay. We are having the usual lovely time. Her youth, vigor, and continuously growing appetite had earned her a new phone and some shopping. We arrived as the mall opened, and she had previously picked out a new smart phone and was showing it to me at the mall. I was surprised at the relatively inexpensive price and we purchased it using my CC. As the deal was wrapping up I asked the clerk to make me a photocopy of the hand-written receipt. She said that they had no copy machine, and instructed me to the mall's department store for a scan. I left the pinay at the phone company wrapping things up (she was looking at some other stuff) while I wandered next door for a photocopy.
I handed the receipt to a male clerk and asked for one photocopy. He handed it to a lady clerk who was operating the copy machine and they spoke the local language for 90 seconds. It took him 90 seconds to explain that she needed to make one copy. She put the original on the glass, pushed START, and made one copy (that took 5 seconds). Keep the time (s) in mind here. She handed me the original and copy and printed "1. 75 xx" on a piece of paper. I pulled out a p50 note (my smallest) to pay the under-2-pesos price, and she directed me to a separate payment counter. Of course. The mall had only been open for 25 minutes and I noticed about 25 people in line at the payment counter, with only one register ringing items. Hmmmm. What to do? Hand the copy back and say 'No thanks', walk away, and have the hotel make a copy for me in a heartbeat? Why yes, that should be the call. Just then she grabbed the copy from me and pointed out to the other guy that there was a smudge on it. I didn't care. But she insisted that she re-copy the original (more time spent).
I was not thinking straight, and I got in the long line. I read on my phone for a few minutes, and then it became a bit like torture. I watched the sales clerk ring one item at a time (not by scanning, but by entering the price by hand). Several customers had oodles of items (it must be back-to-school time, every pencil must be entered separately at the register). 10 minutes on I had closed half the distance to the register, in order to hand over 1. 75 pesos. Tick, tock. One's blood should boil, right? I just didn't have a fight in me, so I just waited. 20 minutes. Bit like torture defined: Its like sticking a sewing needle into one of your testicles, but just 1/20th the way. Every 60 seconds, stick it in 1/20th more. Painful, but in drawn out doses.
I could see my pinay way down the hall still talking to the phone sales lady. When I finally paid for my item and got my change and receipt, there is a lady sitting next to the sales clerk. She bags things, smiles nice, staples the receipt to the bag, says good morning, etc. She wears a different outfit than the other floor personnel so I assumed she was management. Seemed pleasant. Ma'am, can I have a moment? I'd like to discuss an issue with you, ok? Right away she and the sales clerk stopped dead and looked nervous, like they had done something wrong. The sales clerk said "I think the change is right sir. I can count it again". No sweetie, I wanted to find out how it could take 25 minutes to get and pay for a single p2 photocopy.
More nervous stares. Nothing moved. I asked the second lady, the one in the different outfit, if she was management. "No sir. " Ah. Well, can you call a manager here for me? "No sir". Ahhhh. Why not? "No sir. We don't have manager here". Both girls were staring at me like there was about to be a fight. Everyone in line was staring. Nothing moved. Really ladies. A big department store with no managers? "No manager". Well, nothing to lose here, and my (mild) fight was back in me: Ladies I can stand here until you get security or a manager. Or anyone. "OK fine. You go upstairs and find manager. You make a complaint me". Oh, no ma'am, I don't want to make a complaint about your performance. I want to complain about the long wait. "Then you go. You go there". OK ladies, you get back to slowly doing. . . What you do. I'm off.
I went to the phone place and grabbed my pinay. "Where are you Westy? I'm starting to worry". I gave them the short version. The phone-store saleslady said to go upstairs and find the management office to file a complaint. So off we went upstairs. You'd think it would be easy to find the Management office, but think again. We asked clerk after clerk at the department store where the Management office was, and mentioned I wanted to make a complaint. They pointed in this direction, then that direction, they called other mall employees over to confirm the location. Finally we reached the Management office, in the far back corner. Just a door and a security guard. Employees walked in and out. The guard confirmed that yes, this was the management office. Well, I'd like to file a small complaint. "Really sir". He said that like nobody had ever done that before. Yes, son, yes. "OK then". He picked up a phone and talked to someone for 2 solid minutes. Then he looked at me and said: "Complaint, yes?" Yes, stud, yes. Another solid minute of talk on the phone from the guard. "Sir what is your complaint?" Wait time downstairs, and one other item. Any manager will do. Well, another solid minute of phone chat from the guard. "Sir, they will not speak with you. OK?" What? I walked all over the place looking for management. Isn't this their office? "Yes sir. But they won't hear a complaint". He hung up the phone. "Sorry sir".
Well, if you want to get a cano's neck hair up. I said politely that I would not leave until I could find a way to file a complaint. He talked to my girl for 2 minutes. Then he got back on the phone and talked for 90 seconds or so. "So, you want your 2 pesos refund. Correct?" No. I never mentioned a refund. Neither did my pinay. "Yes she did sir. " I looked right at her and asked if she told the guard that I wanted a refund, and she nodded yes. Jesus (stick the needle in just a bit farther, please). I re-explained that I was complaining about the wait time, and the fact that nobody seemed to know how to find a manager. "Ohhhhhh. Wait sir. " he talked on the phone for another minute. "OK. You can make a complaint if you want at the complaint desk. Down one level". Wait, wait. You mean there's a COMPLAINT DEPARTMENT, and nobody bothered to mention that? "Yes sir. Just I find out about it also on the phone". Hahaha OF COURSE!
We walked towards the escalator to go down. For fun I asked the first passing saleslady: Who would I speak to if I had a complaint about the products or service here? "Um, I don't know. Wait". She called over another, then yet another clerk. They talked to my pinay. They spoke for a moment and my pinay told them that we'd been to the management office. It was like we'd cured cancer, suddenly they were all smiles. "Yes sir. You would go to the management office". Jeez.
Soooooo. We get downstairs to a desk marked "Complaint Desk". I sit and relay the situation to a nice lady. Her brow furrowed. She seemed genuinely interested. "So you have two complaints. First, too long to pay for copy. Second, the lady there say there is no management?" Spot on girl. "That lady also did not direct you here to me?" Correct. "We have a policy to direct unhappy customer to my desk for complaints. We imbestigate all". Oh, sweet woman, the lady at the sales counter was not the only one who didn't direct me to you. Most every employee I've spoken with in the last twenty minutes didn't direct me to you when I mentioned a complaint. "Really. Do you remember who they are?" Yes. Sherrie, Claudine, Monica, Samantha, Esmi and Langa. Several others. Also the security guard at the management door didn't know of your desk until a few minutes ago. If you have that policy, why didn't the manager on the phone with the guard originally tell the guard to send me to you? He asked questions over the phone and then tried the brush-off.
"Really". She was writing names as fast as she could. "We have complaint policy!" She herself, the Complaint Manager, seemed to have a complaint. THIS is why IMFITP. She picked up the phone and called somebody. No kidding, she talked for 90 seconds on the phone to bring me this: "OK. Upstairs at the checkout counter. There is 2 registers. Each register must have 2 employees, its policy. On one register we have only 1 sales clerk so we cannot operate 1 register. So we only operating the other register this morning. That's why its so long the wait. You understand". No. Really. Really no. How does that diminish the wait complaint? "I don't understand sir. You have long wait because we don't operate 2 registers". Well if you had both registers operating I would have had a 10 minute wait in the payment line, not 20 minutes. "Yes sir". Isn't that still way too long to stand in line to make a p2 payment? Longgggg pause and a stare. "Well. Yes. It is. But understand all registers must have two employees".
She said that she would talk with each of the employees that I had mentioned, and also one of the managers in the management office (whom the guard was speaking with) to find out why they did not direct me to the complaint desk. I said that I would be back tomorrow to follow up with her on her 'imbestigasyon'. Of course I didn't go back.
You know, I'm in the province being lazy with my girl. I didn't want to have to go to her house again and buy lunch for everyone (again), so the idea of shopping and hanging in the mall a bit wasn't bad. What's an extra hour or so?
GoodEnough
06-29-17, 13:09
Ah Westy, your post invoked so many memories of so many similar situations. I think the problem is you were looking for logic in a country which doesn't operate according to the laws of logic; or at least no logic I've ever been able to fathom. Filipinos are so habituated to crap service that they likely believe it to be the norm, so they wait, docilely thinking (to the extent they ever wonder at all), that the entire planet must be like this. And I don't believe the provincial location had much to do with it: I've run into identical situations in Davao and in Makati.
A couple of days ago I was in a huge Mercury Drug getting a prescription filled. I got waited on immediately, gave the lady my credit card which she ran, and then had me sign immediately. And then the wait began: first she took my drugs and my cards to the cashier–who had several additional baskets of drugs in line–and then, finally, the cashier counted each of my pills (3 prescriptions), and then ran additional calculations through her machine, and then printed out still another receipt, finally returning the basket to the lady who had waited on me in the first place. Then that lady counted each of the pills for each prescription in front of me, gave me back my card, and bagged the order. It's the same everywhere, and it's one reason why no meaningful competition is permitted in the country. If the rules changed, and American / Canadian / European / Japanese / Australian consumer companies were allowed in, the locals would be out of business in months.
GE.
MrWoolyBooly
06-29-17, 13:53
Get in line, and get used to itMy compliments on your superhuman patience. Or on your lady friend's ability to keep you blissfully unperturbable.
Indeed. The entire country is a model of inefficiency.
It's the same everywhere, and it's one reason why no meaningful competition is permitted in the country. If the rules changed, and American / Canadian / European / Japanese / Australian consumer companies were allowed in, the locals would be out of business in months.
GE.
I was calm through this.
So I'm in the province . . . <SNIP> I don't get it WC.
You return to the Philippines every 3 months or so and keep on doing it again and again and yet you spent an inordinate amount of time reporting these lowest-common-denominator instances of bizarre experiences.
I don't understand why a country that obviously attracts you also makes you wish to openly denigrate both the people and their quaint processes.
If you lived here like I do you would know that events of this kind are common and so are best avoided. Why anyone would want a photocopy of a receipt already provided is likely to bewilder most people. That's where your problem started. Surely you know by now that all cash exchanges in department stores must be enacted through a cashier.
Your second mistake was to try to prove some sort of point (I am not sure what it is) to people for whom English is a second language. If you had managed to speak to "management", I am curious to know what would have been a successful outcome for you? Opening a 2nd cash register for you to pay your 2 pesos more quickly?
I enjoy living in the Philippines by keeping Niebuhr's Serenity Prayer foremost in my thinking:
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
And the wisdom to know the difference.
After my 20 years here I only ever take on major areas of inefficiency if I wish to make a point AND try to get a process changed. In other words, I choose my battles wisely.
Wicked Roger
06-29-17, 14:16
Ah Westy, your post invoked so many memories of so many similar situations. I think the problem is you were looking for logic in a country which doesn't operate according to the laws of logic; or at least no logic I've ever been able to fathom. Filipinos are so habituated to crap service that they likely believe it to be the norm, so they wait, docilely thinking (to the extent they ever wonder at all), that the entire planet must be like this. And I don't believe the provincial location had much to do with it: I've run into identical situations in Davao and in Makati.
A couple of days ago I was in a huge Mercury Drug getting a prescription filled. I got waited on immediately, gave the lady my credit card which she ran, and then had me sign immediately. And then the wait began: first she took my drugs and my cards to the cashierwho had several additional baskets of drugs in lineand then, finally, the cashier counted each of my pills (3 prescriptions), and then ran additional calculations through her machine, and then printed out still another receipt, finally returning the basket to the lady who had waited on me in the first place. Then that lady counted each of the pills for each prescription in front of me, gave me back my card, and bagged the order. It's the same everywhere, and it's one reason why no meaningful competition is permitted in the country. If the rules changed, and American / Canadian / European / Japanese / Australian consumer companies were allowed in, the locals would be out of business in months.
GE.Me too GE, especially the pharmacy. At Watsons in Cebu they are more efficient in that they can be slightly faster in the deed but at others it is painfully slow while 4 people do the job of one. But this provides employment and at around 300 pesos a day maybe the owners don't care.
As you say any half decent western or Jap company would be welcome except by the local businessmen who enjoy a favoured status that other countries won't afford the locals.
Westy. I know you are a calm and patient fellow but even that must have driven you crazy. I have also has 'frustrations' such as yours but never bothered to see it through as you managed.
The Globe Express counter in Ayala, Cebu) was never express and could be an hour before being served for something very simple. Worse if there were Koreans in queue which for me meant for me "come back another day".
I would have taken a picture of the receipt with my phone. I mean, that is literally a photo copy. You could have printed it at the hotel if you needed.
Part of me thinks you intentionally chose to play the game, to pull the thread. If I had gotten to the point of receiving a photocopy then directed to the non-moving line, I would have given the girl the 50, walked away and let her deal with it.
I was calm through this.Well, I believe we all know the PIs are quite unlike Switzerland. Then again, they are more fun, warmer. And cheaper.
MrWoolyBooly
06-29-17, 19:09
But this provides employment and at around 300 pesos a day maybe the owners don't care.
I keep telling myself that it's a rational business decision weighing the cost of labor over the cost of whatever automation they'd pay otherwise. I have no idea. Drives me crazy in any small store to have them write with pen on paper an itemized receipt on carbon paper. Regardless of (in) efficiency, there is simply no culture of hustle on the job. While in the Philippines we need to just psychologically get over it or leave. I flirt with the staff or use wait times to arrange my next meeting with a lady friend. It's actually more frustrating when accompanied, requiring forced conversation.
Worse if there were Koreans in queue which for me meant for me "come back another day".I've seen this very line at the Globe Express counter at Ayala Mall in Cebu. The line consisted of one Korean and one Filipina in front of me. Long lines, whatever. Waiting for the comedy of a Korean without English / Cebuano / Tagalog and a Filipina cashier without Korean to explain a transaction, excruciating.
GoodEnough
06-30-17, 00:45
The Globe Express counter in Ayala, Cebu) was never express and could be an hour before being served for something very simple. Worse if there were Koreans in queue which for me meant for me "come back another day".After 15 years here, I've learned that it's always better to have your asawa undertake these tasks, while you wait for her in a nearby coffee shop. And if you think commercial transactions are fun, try the whole business permitting process.
GE.
The bottom line in all these chronicles of inefficiency etc is that it's the Philippines and it's the residents' right to run it as they wish.
Non-filipinos are merely visitors who may choose to stay here (as I have done) despite unfavorable or frustrating experiences, leave and never return or keep on coming back again and again to satisfy their masochistic tendencies.
The country is what it is.
I have no problem with first-time visitors who think "WTF" and then skedaddle out of the Philippines as fast as they can and who will not return. I am troubled by those who have either lived here for an extended period or who return again and again as short-term visitors and yet feel compelled to document every single negative thing that they experience in order to pour derision on both the people and the processes.
You only need to live here for a very short time to know both what's wrong with the country and what is attractive about it. Most of the negative things that are continuously documented here have been in place for all of the 20 years I have lived here, but the other positive experiences of living here outweigh the negatives, otherwise I would have left long ago.
If you want to live in the Philippines peacefully and in good health, leave all your expectations and western hang-ups at the airport as you arrive and just enjoy the ride.
After 15 years here, I've learned that it's always better to have your asawa undertake these tasks, while you wait for her in a nearby coffee shop. And if you think commercial transactions are fun, try the whole business permitting process.
GE.As noted by some posters on this thread and elsewhere, things can get extremely frustrating here, especially when encountering the prevalent "petty bureaucratic" approach.
Also, as pointed out by some others, "It is what it is" and we don't really have the power to effectively change or improve this condition.
One possible solution I have also found is to delegate the relatively minor but potentially annoying chores. If not to Asawa, then delegate to a GF or a local "gofer" and pay them the P300 daily minimum wage or whatever. They will be happy to wait in line for hours (or whatever) and you will be happy not to have to put up with the frustrating nonsense aka BS.
Sometimes, however, easier said than done.
OM.
*** So I'm in the province for a few days with my pinay. We are having the usual lovely time. Her youth, vigor, and continuously growing appetite had earned her a new phone and some shopping. ***
I was not thinking straight, and I got in the long line. I read on my phone for a few minutes, and then it became a bit like torture. 10 minutes on I had closed half the distance to the register, in order to hand over 1. 75 pesos. Tick, tock. One's blood should boil, right? I just didn't have a fight in me, so I just waited. Bit like torture defined: Its like sticking a sewing needle into one of your testicles, but just 1/20th the way. Every 60 seconds, stick it in 1/20th more. Painful, but in drawn out doses. ***
She said that she would talk with each of the employees that I had mentioned, and also one of the managers in the management office (whom the guard was speaking with) to find out why they did not direct me to the complaint desk. I said that I would be back tomorrow to follow up with her on her 'imbestigasyon'. Of course I didn't go back. ***Condolences, Westy, most of the rest of us mortals have suffered through a number of similar painful experiences, and can empathize with you.
For what it's worth, I have a good old American friend who retired to the Philippines 35 years ago, and who started and has run for many years a thriving, low-overhead business here. He still gets pissed off (in a manageable way) at similar daily experiences, and swears at the execrable traffic. He calls the Philippines "The Land of the Not Quite Right" among other things. But in his more philosophical moments, his view is as follows: Because things don't work efficiently or effectively, the country has not progressed economically as fast as many other countries in Asia. Because of this depressed economic situation, foreigners with some money are still attractive to Pinays.
In other words, if things worked efficiently and effectively here, and if the economy were booming, the local women would not find us so attractive any more. Given this perspective, we should be thankful for this Kafkaesque condition here.
I know, this may seem like a BS rationalization. But, still, it is food for thought.
As I posted just a few minutes ago, don't try to do all the small stuff yourself. Try to delegate as much of the small stuff as possible. Pay an eager local person some modest (to us) sum to be your "gofer". They will be happy, and you may be happier too. Lean back and maximize your time relaxing and enjoying the lovely young lasses. That's the reason, after all, that most of us are here.
Good luck!
OM.
Member #4566
06-30-17, 20:54
I keep telling myself that it's a rational business decision weighing the cost of labor over the cost of whatever automation they'd pay otherwise. I have no idea. Drives me crazy in any small store to have them write with pen on paper an itemized receipt on carbon paper. Regardless of (in) efficiency, there is simply no culture of hustle on the job. While in the Philippines we need to just psychologically get over it or leave. The commercial / accounting system in retail businesses which has been the subject of recent posts. Here are a few more observations on this issue.
(1) Only one person handles the cash register which will make it harder for employees to skim money.
(2) The wait staff are assigned numbered charge slips which they use for each transaction. This will discourage skimming and pilfering.
(3) The system has deliberate redundancies which seem to be aimed at preventing employee theft.
(4) The inefficiencies in the system never seem to be intended to serve the consumers' interests but rather to protect the owner from his own employees.
(5) The method of transacting business seems to be nationwide and not just in Angeles or Cebu. It is probably taught in accounting programs nationwide where its practices are integrated into an entire business model. It is part of the national psyche as much as is driving on the right side of the road.
(6) Where did the PI get this system? Is it is a throwback to Spanish colonialism? Did the Americans teach them this business model along with instruction in English? Or is it a homegrown Philippine chestnut?
American business practices underwent a revolution in the 1940's with the promulgation of the Uniform Commercial Code. This new vision of contract law call Legal Realism did away with Legal Formalism where a contract could be voided by peccadillos like forgetting to put in the date. Legal realism looked beyond the form of the contract to the actions of the contracting parties to find evidence of things like the effective date of the contract. Did Legal Realism come too late be implemented by the PI? Interesting question.
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For what it's worth, I have a good old American friend who retired to the Philippines 35 years ago, and who started and has run for many years a thriving, low-overhead business here. He still gets pissed off (in a manageable way) at similar daily experiences, and swears at the execrable traffic. He calls the Philippines "The Land of the Not Quite Right" among other things. But in his more philosophical moments, his view is as follows: Because things don't work efficiently or effectively, the country has not progressed economically as fast as many other countries in Asia. Because of this depressed economic situation, foreigners with some money are still attractive to Pinays.Your good old friend's philosophy is misplaced Om.
Thailand's structure and economy has outstripped the Philippines and yet their sex industry is many times larger than the Philippines, because there are literally millions more foreign visitors each year. These surplus foreigners with money are also attractive to Thais. KL (Malaysia) and Jakarta (Indonesia) also are much more advanced than the Philippines and foreigners with money attract women there too.
I have said many times before on this board that any guy using the exclusive criterion of "lots of available and willing women" as the primary basis on which to make a decision to live here will end up a sad and sorry person, especially if everything else irritates him. I originally came to work in Manila for 3 months and liked it enough to extend my contract to 2 years which has since morphed into 20 years. At no time was ease of mongering a factor in my decision-making although, of course, it is a nice sideline benefit. There are so many other aspects that I enjoy and for me, life is good.
Cunning Stunt
07-01-17, 13:33
Fuckin' hell guys. I now remember why I seldom delve much further than the PG these days😩.
MrWoolyBooly
07-01-17, 13:37
Your good old friend's philosophy is misplaced Om.
Thailand's structure and economy has outstripped the Philippines and yet their sex industry is many times larger than the Philippines, because there are literally millions more foreign visitors each year. These surplus foreigners with money are also attractive to Thais. KL (Malaysia) and Jakarta (Indonesia) also are much more advanced than the Philippines and foreigners with money attract women there too.
I have said many times before on this board that any guy using the exclusive criterion of "lots of available and willing women" as the primary basis on which to make a decision to live here will end up a sad and sorry person, especially if everything else irritates him. I originally came to work in Manila for 3 months and liked it enough to extend my contract to 2 years which has since morphed into 20 years. At no time was ease of mongering a factor in my decision-making although, of course, it is a nice sideline benefit. There are so many other aspects that I enjoy and for me, life is good.May I respectfully disagree if we change the comparison from local sex industries to finding ordinary local ladies willing to satisfy? I've been to Malaysia and many other countries covering most of the Northern Hemisphere. I've found no country yields better results with the ladies than the Philippines when comparing against the same time / money / effort expended elsewhere. Whether it's poverty, English proficiency, culture, extreme wealth inequality, low expectations of men, or what I don't know.
(1) Only one person handles the cash register which will make it harder for employees to skim money.
(2) The wait staff are assigned numbered charge slips which they use for each transaction. This will discourage skimming and pilfering.
(3) The system has deliberate redundancies which seem to be aimed at preventing employee theft.
(4) The inefficiencies in the system never seem to be intended to serve the consumers' interests but rather to protect the owner from his own employees.
(5) The method of transacting business seems to be nationwide and not just in Angeles or Cebu. It is probably taught in accounting programs nationwide where its practices are integrated into an entire business model. It is part of the national psyche as much as is driving on the right side of the road.
(6) Where did the PI get this system? Is it is a throwback to Spanish colonialism? Did the Americans teach them this business model along with instruction in English? Or is it a homegrown Philippine chestnut?
What is being described here is pretty much what goes on in black Africa. Plausibly for the same reasons (preventing theft by staff).
GoodEnough
07-01-17, 15:17
I have said many times before on this board that any guy using the exclusive criterion of "lots of available and willing women" as the primary basis on which to make a decision to live here will end up a sad and sorry person, especially if everything else irritates him. I originally came to work in Manila for 3 months and liked it enough to extend my contract to 2 years which has since morphed into 20 years. At no time was ease of mongering a factor in my decision-making although, of course, it is a nice sideline benefit. There are so many other aspects that I enjoy and for me, life is good.RK is again correct, the ready availability of sexual partners is a poor criterion for making the decision to live here. As many thoughtful expats would substantiate, it all gets rather old rather fast, and it's just not enough to sustain a meaningful lifestyle here or anywhere in SE Asia including Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia, and I've lived and worked in two of the former three. I came here originally on a four-year contract to manage a program, and it's now 16 years later. Obviously, I've found more to my liking here than readily available sex and while I'm mildly bothered by some aspects of life, I find much more that I like. I find that when I do return to "civilization" in the West, 3 weeks is about enough for me and I start to miss this place after being away from it for brief periods.
Yes, the SWT availability is a lovely side benefit, but it's simply not nearly enough of a basis on which to relocate to this part of the world.
GE.
Your good old friend's philosophy is misplaced Om.
Thailand's structure and economy has outstripped the Philippines and yet their sex industry is many times larger than the Philippines, because there are literally millions more foreign visitors each year. These surplus foreigners with money are also attractive to Thais. KL (Malaysia) and Jakarta (Indonesia) also are much more advanced than the Philippines and foreigners with money attract women there too.
I have said many times before on this board that any guy using the exclusive criterion of "lots of available and willing women" as the primary basis on which to make a decision to live here will end up a sad and sorry person, especially if everything else irritates him. I originally came to work in Manila for 3 months and liked it enough to extend my contract to 2 years which has since morphed into 20 years. At no time was ease of mongering a factor in my decision-making although, of course, it is a nice sideline benefit. There are so many other aspects that I enjoy and for me, life is good.Yeah right, RK.
If the Philippine economy were like Japan, then Walking Street, Burgos, and the 3,000 peso bar fine would just be distant memories of the good old days.
And the simple reality is that many, although not all, of USA Are here because there are "lots of available and willing women".
OM.
P.S. Who said anything about living here.
Hi GE and RK,
Thanks for your many posts and insights, USA politics notwithstanding. Other than your work there (and the steady availability of sweet young things and a Filipina wife / family) what would you says are the main draws? Economy, of course, but what else keeps you there, please?
RK is again correct. I find much more that I like. I find that when I do return to "civilization" in the West, 3 weeks is about enough for me and I start to miss this place after being away from it for brief periods.
GoodEnough
07-02-17, 02:13
Hi GE and RK,
Thanks for your many posts and insights, USA politics notwithstanding. Other than your work there (and the steady availability of sweet young things and a Filipina wife / family) what would you says are the main draws? Economy, of course, but what else keeps you there, please?It's a good question D, and I'm not sure I can provide a succinct set of responses, though I'll try. I've spent most of the last 35 years or so overseas, and most of that time was spent in what are euphemistically called "developing countries," mostly in Africa, and Southeast Asia. During the time I spent in Africa I was actually based in France and during downtime spent most of my vacations either traveling through France or other Western European countries. Thus, I've not actually lived in my country of birth for a long time.
Generally, I've observed that long-term expats develop a worldview, or perhaps a loose set of perceptions or beliefs that evolve, over time, into a mindset that's different from those who remained in their countries of birth: not better necessarily, but different. In my case, which I'm sure is not unique, I found that I could adapt readily to new cultures, could be comfortable in a variety of cultures, but of course didn't belong to any of the cultures in which I was living or working. I also found that, having been away from the US for so long, I did not really fit in there either, and the longer I remained outside of the country the less comfortable I felt when I did return. This has little to do with politics per se, as my alienation started well before the election of Trump or Obama. So, the bottom line for me is that I felt, and still feel, more comfortable, more challenged and more fulfilled I suppose, in cultures that are not my own. I also feel less constrained.
Turning to the more specific question of what I find appealing about the Philippines, I'the have to start by stating that I've always enjoyed SE Asia, particularly Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines, which are the countries in which I've spent most of my working time. I could have been happy living in any of them, and in choosing the Philippines, I can't separate the reasons underlying my choice from the. Fact that I found here the best relationship with a woman that I've ever had, since this relationship figured hugely into my reason for remaining. Without it, I might have opted for a different country in the region. Having said that however, I have no problems citing factors that reinforce my choice of countries:
1. My academic interests lie in the study / understanding of different cultures and societies and ethnic groups. The Philippines offers an incredibly rich pastiche of languages, tribal cultures, ethnic groups and potpourri of customs that would take a lifetime to try to understand. I've been fortunate as well to have spent more than a decade in various Muslim areas of Mindanao, and working with highly differentiated Muslim cultures throughout the region, and this too has reinforced my interests.
2. I find the people of the Philippines among the most friendly, open and welcoming nationalities I've ever encountered, and I've made a lot of close Filipino friends. I'm not sure this would have been possible in other countries in the region that tend to be less permeable.
3. I think, to some small extent, my work here has made a positive difference in the lives of the people with whom I've worked. This has been for me, if not unique, then rare. I've worked in the field of Development almost my entire professional life, often believing that the programs I helped to design and / or implement had little or no impact. That's not been the case here, and it's highly satisfying to know I might have made a small contribution to the lives of several thousand Filipinos.
4. As absurd as this may sound, I've grown accustomed to the chaos, to the quasi-anarchy; the shrugging at rules, the impishness, the joie de vivre and the genuine joy that Filipinos seem to find in each other's company (and sometimes even in my company.).
5. The older I become, the more I appreciate the deference paid here to age. I like the preferences given to senior citizens. I like the fact that there are special lines for me in supermarkets and pharmacies. I appreciate the fact that I can jumpwithout incurring any resentmentto the head of a queue at the airport because of my senior citizen status. From this standpoint, the Philippines may be the best country I can think of in which to grow older.
Thanks for raising the question. You've made me think about the major aspects of life and culture here that cause me to stay. I hope my response wasn't too boring.
what would you says are the main draws? Economy, of course, but what else keeps you there, please?Your generic, non-descript guy no one in USA gives a second glance at, in the Philippines can become a little king by virtue of a bit of the hard currency. There's no mystery why their boosted little egos are kept there.
GoodEnough
07-02-17, 05:11
Your generic, non-descript guy no one in USA gives a second glance at, in the Philippines can become a little king by virtue of a bit of the hard currency. There's no mystery why their boosted little egos are kept there.A one size fits all answer based on nothing much in the way of facts and reflects nothing of the truth of the longer-term expats I know here. Of course it might provide a reasonable explanation for shorter term visitors such as yourself.
GE.
It's a good question D, and I'm not sure I can provide a succinct set of responses, though I'll try. I've spent most of the last 35 years or so overseas, and most of that time was spent in what are euphemistically called "developing countries," mostly in Africa, and Southeast Asia.
{Big snip}
Thanks for raising the question. You've made me think about the major aspects of life and culture here that cause me to stay. I hope my response wasn't too boring.Wow Good Enough, your post really resonates with me.
I too have spent a considerable time of my adult working life in other countries, although I am now marching rapidly towards retirement age in my home country. Australia. I, like you, find myself to be a little bit of an outsider in my home country mainly due to the different work / life experiences I have had compared to my friends. Where they are fairly intolerant and ignorant of the other cultures and nationalities that have made Australia home, I find myself being quite blasé about it all.
Your post has got me thinking, where do I want to spend my final years? Do I want to spend it in the predictability, comfort and safety of my home country and be bored out of my brain, or do I want to extend myself a little and find a nice overseas location that I can both afford and keep the feeling that I haven't seen all in life there is? I'm sure there is a PhD thesis somewhere in this topic, but thanks for getting me thinking.
Styk.
It's a good question D, and I'm not sure I can provide a succinct set of responses, though I'll try. I've spent most of the last 35 years or so overseas, and most of that time was spent in what are euphemistically called "developing countries," mostly in Africa, and Southeast Asia.
{Big snip}
Thanks for raising the question. You've made me think about the major aspects of life and culture here that cause me to stay. I hope my response wasn't too boring.Wow Good Enough, your post really resonates with me.
I too have spent a considerable time of my adult working life in other countries, although I am now marching rapidly towards retirement age in my home country Australia. I, like you, find myself to be a little bit of an outsider in my home country mainly due to the different work / life experiences I have had compared to my friends. Where they are fairly intolerant and ignorant of the other cultures and nationalities that have made Australia home, I find myself being quite blas about it all.
Your post has got me thinking, where do I want to spend my final years? Do I want to spend it in the predictability, comfort and safety of my home country and be bored out of my brain? Or do I want to extend myself a little and find a nice overseas location that I can both afford and keep the feeling that I haven't seen all in life there is? I'm sure there is a PhD thesis somewhere in this topic, but thanks for getting me thinking.
Styk.
Thanks for such a thoughtful response, GE. I don't find it boring at all. Quite the contrary. Like Stykler and you, I don't feel like I really fit in my home country USA any more. The bipartisan bickering, blatant disrespect for elders and authority, rampant feminism and homosexuality, an overall decline in mortality, interminable cell phone addiction and exorbitantly rising costs, especially in California, confirm my plan to exit to the PI in five. I lived in PI Angeles City as an airforce junior officer and became enamored with it back in the early 80's. Sure the girls were and still are incredibly beautifully feminine domestically inclined, tampo and lying notwithstanding, but there was and is a warmth and welcomeness that I have not quite seen the likes of in the other 25 countries I have visited. Now when I return to the PI once or twice a year I appreciate it even more despite the infrastructural and bureaucratic shortcomings. Travel is indeed the best education and I guess I'd rather be a big a bigger fish in a smaller sea than to be eaten alive in the ocean of anonymity that represents my existence in America. Plus, being an amateur musician, I think I will blend in quite nicely there.
It's a good question D, You've made me think about the major aspects of life and culture here that cause me to stay. .
BrainDrain
07-03-17, 00:26
beautifully feminine domestically inclined, tampo and lying notwithstanding,
.You really resonant with me with this one. I'm really just getting used to it. Life is better when I just let the lying go without comment.
A one size fits all answer based on nothing much in the way of facts and reflects nothing of the truth of the longer-term expats I know here. Of course it might provide a reasonable explanation for shorter term visitors such as yourself. The question was: "what keeps you there?" to which I've given you the answer. Shorter term visitors are an entirely different matter. Evidently in them you see an earlier version of yourself.
Dark Knight1
07-03-17, 05:09
It's a good question D, and I'm not sure I can provide a succinct set of responses, though I'll try. I've spent most of the last 35 years or so overseas, and most of that time was spent in what are euphemistically called "developing countries," mostly in Africa, and Southeast Asia. During the time I spent in Africa I was actually based in France and during downtime spent most of my vacations either traveling through France or other Western European countries. Thus, I've not actually lived in my country of birth for a long time.
Generally, I've observed that long-term expats develop a worldview, or perhaps a loose set of perceptions or beliefs that evolve, over time, into a mindset that's different from those who remained in their countries of birth: not better necessarily, but different. In my case, which I'm sure is not unique, I found that I could adapt readily to new cultures, could be comfortable in a variety of cultures, but of course didn't belong to any of the cultures in which I was living or working. I also found that, having been away from the US for so long, I did not really fit in there either, and the longer I remained outside of the country the less comfortable I felt when I did return. This has little to do with politics per se, as my alienation started well before the election of Trump or Obama..1. The Philippines offers absolutely nothing in terms of having a culture, architecture or an extensive history such as Japan, China or even Western Europe. The local cuisines is full of nothing but cholesterol, trans fat and sugar and leaves much to be desired. As for visiting the Southern Muslim dominated islands for fear of appearing to be a prejudiced I will just stay this is something I would not recommend as most foreign governments wisely advise on their respective consular pages.
2. In all my years of living in the Philippines I made one life long-local friend as I was very discerning with whom I interacted with as I found most of the population to be corrupt, morally bankrupt and in their delusional minds beyond reproach. Filipinos / Filipinas tend not to dwell on things such as age or outward appearance due their amazing ability to only worry about the "economic advantages" or "fun factor" of certain associations.
3. I was never employed there and I am grateful I didn't have to rely on the archaic, zany country for an income. Doing mundane things such as going to the grocery store or acquiring simple things such as driver license presented problems that I would say don't present themselves in the West. Out of all my years of living there I probably paid more taxes than the average Filipino will in their lifetime due to the various things I owned but not once was I made to feel like anything more than a foreigner. Nationalism and extreme racism is pervasive.
4. This is one point we agree as they are very social beings and love being in the company of one another and others but lets not kid ourselves the easy access to sex is the one of the only reason you love the place as most mongers.
5. I am in the middle of the road in terms of age but older gentlemen such as yourself love the Philippines for one reason and one reason only that they are able find women half or 1/4 their age willing to sleep with them for small amounts money. Other than that there is really no reason to reside in the country.
Intelligent expats (The foreigners who are aware of the dangers) live in utter fear in the county as one complaint against you from a local or crossing path with rogue cop / official or any powerful / rich Filipino can have disastrous outcomes for the would be expat.
There are hundreds of reports of foreigners, extorted, arrested under false pretense and brutally murdered over the years.
https://philippineslocksupaussie.wordpress.com/2013/08/04/so-close-and-yet-so-far-dannys-deportation-denied-due-to-bi-blunder/
http://philippineslifestyle.com/blog/2015/06/25/us-marine-killed-in-2012-has-his-killer-walk-free-by-makati-city-judge/
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/127465/4-workers-charged-for-killing-american-wife-in-negros-occidental
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/467247/american-diver-who-helped-search-for-robredo-killed
http://www.philstar.com/metro/584983/german-hotel-exec-shot-dead-makati
Chocha Monger
07-03-17, 09:54
Your generic, non-descript guy no one in USA gives a second glance at, in the Philippines can become a little king by virtue of a bit of the hard currency. There's no mystery why their boosted little egos are kept there.In the West, and especially the United States, the elderly men are shoved aside and resented. However, in the Philippines their social security checks are valued and they are still useful. They can still have sex with younger women in Southeast Asia, whereas back in the USA They are reviled as dirty old men or perverts. Americans cringe at the thought of middle aged people having sex and men are expected to become sexless upon entering this period of life. So, it really comes down to staying in the West and becoming irrelevant or moving to the Philippines and becoming a sought after peso millionaire. Many opt for the latter situation.
1. The Philippines offers absolutely nothing in terms of having a culture, architecture or an extensive history such as Japan, China or even Western Europe. The local cuisines is full of nothing but cholesterol, trans fat and sugar and leaves much to be desired. As for visiting the Southern Muslim dominated islands for fear of appearing to be a prejudiced I will just stay this is something I would not recommend as most foreign governments wisely advise on their respective consular pages.
2. In all my years of living in the Philippines I made one life long-local friend as I was very discerning with whom I interacted with as I found most of the population to be corrupt, morally bankrupt and in their delusional minds beyond reproach. Filipinos / Filipinas tend not to dwell on things such as age or outward appearance due their amazing ability to only worry about the "economic advantages" or "fun factor" of certain associations.
3. I was never employed there and I am grateful I didn't have to rely on the archaic, zany country for an income. Doing mundane things such as going to the grocery store or acquiring simple things such as driver license presented problems that I would say don't present themselves in the West. Out of all my years of living there I probably paid more taxes than the average Filipino will in their lifetime due to the various things I owned but not once was I made to feel like anything more than a foreigner. Nationalism and extreme racism is pervasive.
4. This is one point we agree as they are very social beings and love being in the company of one another and others but lets not kid ourselves the easy access to sex is the one of the only reason you love the place as most mongers.
5. I am in the middle of the road in terms of age but older gentlemen such as yourself love the Philippines for one reason and one reason only that they are able find women half or 1/4 their age willing to sleep with them for small amounts money. Other than that there is really no reason to reside in the country.
Intelligent expats (The foreigners who are aware of the dangers) live in utter fear in the county as one complaint against you from a local or crossing path with rogue cop / official or any powerful / rich Filipino can have disastrous outcomes for the would be expat.
There are hundreds of reports of foreigners, extorted, arrested under false pretense and brutally murdered over the years.
https://philippineslocksupaussie.wordpress.com/2013/08/04/so-close-and-yet-so-far-dannys-deportation-denied-due-to-bi-blunder/
http://philippineslifestyle.com/blog/2015/06/25/us-marine-killed-in-2012-has-his-killer-walk-free-by-makati-city-judge/
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/127465/4-workers-charged-for-killing-american-wife-in-negros-occidental
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/467247/american-diver-who-helped-search-for-robredo-killed
http://www.philstar.com/metro/584983/german-hotel-exec-shot-dead-makatiIt would be safe to say the Philippines is not for you. Glad to hear that.
GoodEnough
07-04-17, 00:26
1. The Philippines offers absolutely nothing in terms of having a culture,
2. In all my years of living in the Philippines I made one life long-local friend as I was very discerning with whom I interacted with as I found most of the population to be corrupt, morally bankrupt and in their delusional minds beyond reproach.
3. I but not once was I made to feel like anything more than a foreigner. Nationalism and extreme racism is pervasive.
5. I am in the middle of the road in terms of age but older gentlemen such as yourself love the Philippines for one reason and one reason only that they are able find women half or 1/4 their age willing to sleep with them for small amounts money. Other than that there is really no reason to reside in the country.
Intelligent expats (The foreigners who are aware of the dangers) live in utter fear in the county as one complaint against you from a local or crossing path with rogue cop / official or any powerful / rich Filipino can have disastrous outcomes for the would be expat.
There are hundreds of reports of foreigners, extorted, arrested under false pretense and brutally murdered over the years.
It sounds like you spent you time here cowering in fear, while detesting the country that filled you so full of contempt. Of course I don't know you, but I can't help but wonder given the acidulousness of your post, why you stayed. I'm guessing that either you worked for a foreign company and the salary you earned offset your quivering fear, or you somehow enjoyed wallowing in your dislike of the place since it made you feel superior to those around you.
I find most of your sweeping generalizations simply absurd. For example you indicate that most "intelligent expats live in utter fear. " which is totally contrary to my experience, since the "intelligent" expats I know remain here because they like the place, willingly tolerate its idiosyncrasies, and view the ready availability of young women as a minor fringe benefit. Again, you claim (never having met me) thatdespite my rather lengthy explanation of why I live here I'm wrong and only stay because of the women. I'd say given that fact we don't (thankfully) know each other, your blatant disgregard of what of what I said smacks of smirking ignorance, unfounded hubris or both. If you had actually read my post a bit more carefully you might have noticed my comments that younger women are readily available in many countries in SE Asia, Africa and (so I’m told) S. America, so obviously this country is not unique in that regard.
Given your contempt for the country and its people, it's unsurprising that you were made to feel like a foreigner and developed so few local friends. Why would any local want to befriend anyone who holds him (or her) and the country in such complete disregard? In fact your entire jeremiad against the Philippines sounds like the peevish reaction of a jilted lover.
As to the racism and nationalism that you claim is characteristic of the country, I would counter that these pale in comparison to those of the US and the views of the "America first" point of view of the teeming Trumpian masses.
GE.
Wicked Roger
07-04-17, 06:32
1. The Philippines offers absolutely nothing in terms of having a culture, architecture or an extensive history such as Japan, China or even Western Europe. The local cuisines is full of nothing but cholesterol, trans fat and sugar and leaves much to be desired. As for visiting the Southern Muslim dominated islands for fear of appearing to be a prejudiced I will just stay this is something I would not recommend as most foreign governments wisely advise on their respective consular pages.Apart from the above comment which I tend to agree with (well mostly re the food and even GE would agree with that) the rest of your rant was 'amusing' is at best misguided and misinformed.
You don't say where you live as clearly it can't be in a nice condo in a large city where many expats like myself and others I know don't cower in fear but actually wake up, go to the coffee shop and have breakfast etc. And start the day with a smile (if not a BBBJ and CIM before that LOL).
If you think people are here purely for the ladies that is mistaken as that fun does not last long when living here and you settle down and realise there is more to life. When you visit this is not evident I agree.
Making friends is easy keeping, them is another matter and I suspect you have trouble with the latter as your attitude seems 'superior' based on your posts.
Also are you friends with Amavida who ran away tail between his legs as he was scared and frightened to Thailand (where there is a military dictatorship) - or are you Amavida under a different handle or maybe you are bitter because of personal circumstances regarding pinays and decided to vent your spleen here for a change.
Your comments have been read and GE and DG both replied saying you are wrong (as I am). If the country is not for you why stay? Leave as you have a choice that many pinoys don't have but wish they did. Make everyone's lives happier by doing that and post comments in a forum of a country you like and love to live in rather than here as your observations are rather one sided and myopic IMHO.
It sounds like you...Of course I don't know you, but the place since it made you feel superior to those around you. GE.Responding to this guy with nothing but your own projections, but it is at least the nearest thing to honesty coming out of you, however unwittingly.
Anyway, for all lower delta and omega guys like you who don't have the means, talent, abilities, merit, whatever it takes to have success in their home countries, there's always a place like the Philippines you can run to and attempt to realize your fantasies. So, spare us your window dressing and rationalizations; you're really doing nothing but making yourself sound ridiculous.
LifeIsABeach
07-04-17, 23:56
1. The Philippines offers absolutely nothing in terms of having a culture, architecture or an extensive history such as Japan, China or even Western Europe. Obviously you are not or even attended any history lessons. In my last visit, I was able to go to Museums in Cebu and learn about the long time Philippines history and culture and also saw some history in Letye. There are many places in Philippines you should visit and learn about the country's history. No one country's history is the same as another. It is what it is. You cannot compare one country's history with another and say, this one is better. What is better? More deaths, battles, dictators etc? Does it make it better? If you are looking for your own culture in Philippines, then you are on the wrong track. Accept the country for what it is or you'll always have a difficult time. In some countries, if you continue with your smug attitude, you'll be run out of the country or found in a ditch.
My favorite bit of Phil. History is that Magellen wasn't happy about a certain tribe on the island which is now called Mactan. He floated his warship up to the coast and got his butt kicked big time.
Obviously you are not or even attended any history lessons. In my last visit, I was able to go to Museums in Cebu and learn about the long time Philippines history and culture and also saw some history in Letye. There are many places in Philippines you should visit and learn about the country's history. No one country's history is the same as another. It is what it is. You cannot compare one country's history with another and say, this one is better. What is better? More deaths, battles, dictators etc? Does it make it better? If you are looking for your own culture in Philippines, then you are on the wrong track. Accept the country for what it is or you'll always have a difficult time. In some countries, if you continue with your smug attitude, you'll be run out of the country or found in a ditch.
WestCoast1
07-06-17, 01:16
Thanks to the gents for their comments and wisdom.
I would have taken a picture of the receipt with my phone. I mean, that is literally a photo copy. You could have printed it at the hotel if you needed.
Part of me thinks you intentionally chose to play the game, to pull the thread. If I had gotten to the point of receiving a photocopy then directed to the non-moving line, I would have given the girl the 50, walked away and let her deal with it.The photocopy on my phone would have been a great idea. Unfortunately, it didn't dawn on me at the time (I've used it in the past). The other idea of just walking out and copying it at my hotel DID dawn on me. Your idea of dropping the p50 and walking out didn't dawn on me. It was what it was.
Westy. I know you are a calm and patient fellow but even that must have driven you crazy. I have also has 'frustrations' such as yours but never bothered to see it through as you managed.The situation was liveable until the point when the lady next to the cashier lied (no manager available is bola in any language). I was not about to depart without talking to management. It became my gentle but persistent quest.
The Globe Express counter in Ayala, Cebu) was never express and could be an hour before being served for something very simple. Worse if there were Koreans in queue which for me meant for me "come back another day". This is an interesting cultural schism, and more. We westerners don't like waiting. Pinoy don't mind waiting. Regular westerners understand both of those things. But there are chunks of pinoy who only understand one side of the schism (they don't mind waiting), but not necessarily the other side (westerners don't like waiting).
Example. Recently I was visiting a pinay regular in her province (met the fam before). Over a lot of red horse and food, she was to my left, chatting her cousins and lolo. To my right, her tita had my ear, we were talking about american culture. Out of my left ear I was mildly paying attention to my girl's conversation in the local language. She herself was telling them of how both myself and a previous foreign boyfriend behaved (she assumed I was not paying attention). She used the example of her former BF would not go to a remit place to send money as there is often a wait time. He gave the girl money to send to other people, sending her there to wait in line. One of the cousins asked rather forecefully why the guy would not go himself and wait. Before my girl could answer, one of the other cousins said, quietly and in engrish: "because his time is like gold to him". They quietly took that in. I explained to them that my boss gives me xxxxx pesos per hour and requires me to work sometimes even when I'm on vacation. If I have to spend 20 minutes in transport and waste 40 minutes in line at Cebuana to send or pick up money, then I am not working, and xxxxx pesos are not paid. Money lost. Not only did that sink in, but I mistakenly used an approximate number when I said xxxxx pesos per hour. There were a lot of wide eyes when I said that (one of the things that makes them think all foreigner are rich). I asked: Is it worth a pxxxxx loss to myself or my company to send 1500 to someone? When I can easily send their cousin (who has no trabajo and no kids and little to do) to do it for me (just like her previous BF)? They got that. My point is simple: Most all of us get the two sides of time = money vs complacency, but many pinoy don't. As the number of foreigners here grows (provinces included), both sides must have an understanding of each other.
Ah Westy, your post invoked so many memories of so many similar situations. I think the problem is you were looking for logic in a country which doesn't operate according to the laws of logic; or at least no logic I've ever been able to fathom. Filipinos are so habituated to crap service that they likely believe it to be the norm, so they wait, docilely thinking (to the extent they ever wonder at all), that the entire planet must be like this. And I don't believe the provincial location had much to do with it: I've run into identical situations in Davao and in Makati.These kind of posts, on occasion, spotlight the culture as it is. They are (from time to time) good for the board and the Internet readership in general, for those persons considering coming here. These kinds of posts, while infrequent, should continue, if for no other reason than the newbs*. If it gets posted only once, a year from now it rolls way back into the thread, and anyone who RTTF might miss these kinds of things. If the board were only for us regulars, there would be no need to post these on occasion. When they are posted from time-to-time then outsiders will know exactly what RK is talking about: That the hurry-up-and-wait thing is common, as is the face-saving-give-any-answer thing.
I don't get it WC.
You return to the Philippines every 3 months or so and keep on doing it again and again and yet you spent an inordinate amount of time reporting these lowest-common-denominator instances of bizarre experiences.
I don't understand why a country that obviously attracts you also makes you wish to openly denigrate both the people and their quaint processes.With great respect Red, I'm sure that post was perceived both a bit denigrating and a bit eye-opening (to newbs). On occasion myself, GE, WR or other posts something about the complacency of pinoy culture. Certainly we could do that everyday, but one from time-to-time is good for the board. The regulars don't need to be reminded of it, but if we never post those, its difficult to tell newbs to RTTF to get a feel for the culture*.
If you lived here like I do you would know that events of this kind are common and so are best avoided. Why anyone would want a photocopy of a receipt already provided is likely to bewilder most people. That's where your problem started. Surely you know by now that all cash exchanges in department stores must be enacted through a cashier.I'm already aware that events like this are common. My desire was to report an egregious one. I wanted the copy of the receipt because the girl, who must use the phone and keep the receipt for warranty purposes, will lose it (that's my experience). However, my reasoning or desire are not at issue here. More at issue are two things: a cultural dependence on a system that is inherently slow, and a large number of employees who cannot point to the existence or location of management. I had a local language speaker with me who was also asking for management. At what point does this employee behavior rise to the level of incompetence (or give the appearance)? And at what point is denying that management exists a firing offense to the organization? As an analogy, if you managed a McDonalds in either Aus or Phils, and you discovered that most of the front-counter staff could not point you out on the premises when a customer asked for a manager (after being told to do just that, as the Complaint Desk lady told me), what would you do?
Your second mistake was to try to prove some sort of point (I am not sure what it is) to people for whom English is a second language. If you had managed to speak to "management", I am curious to know what would have been a successful outcome for you? Opening a 2nd cash register for you to pay your 2 pesos more quickly?A lane with modern scanning equipment would be one thought (for some purchased items, the cashier is looking up item numbers on a placard and entering the item number into the cash register computer to look up the price -- short of utilizing a handheld calculator, it couldn't get much more archaic or take much longer). However, I was simply registering the complaint (things don't change without complaints). A customer can do that, and leave to management to decide if it rises to the level of change. Its not the customer's job to figure out better ways to do biz, that's the realm of management. Its the customer's *place* to suggest change or register discomfort.
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
And the wisdom to know the difference.I choose a different model. Pushing back against a constraining system is one way to grow the system. As Koreans and others continue to flood into the country (just visit Ayala Cebu), the culture must accommodate. I'm only a mild believer in the Star Trek Prime Directive. Fifteen years ago very few businesses in phils took a Visa credit card. Today I use it often even in the province (used it right there in that same department store). Imagine if every foreigner had adopted the Prime Directive and just used cash all the time (a painful and somewhat dangerous system as carrying cash invites robbery) because that's how the locals do it? In another province recently I visited Starbucks one morning and while paying with my credit card (still a slow process as one must sign 2 pieces of paper). I thought: How long until they advance to a faster customer-swipe-and-walk-away technology, or better a simple-pay technology that exists elsewhere (ie, Android Pay or such), that allows the customer to skip the CC completely and just touch his phone to the credit card machine for a quick receiptless-pay-out-the-door experience? Is it wrong to suggest to the clerk that they look into that to save me time?
After my 20 years here I only ever take on major areas of inefficiency if I wish to make a point AND try to get a process changed. In other words, I choose my battles wisely.Its good advice, but this time I chose something different. As I had time on my hands, I thought it was a good exercise (and a good report here) in just how far down the rabbit hole one might have to go to get to a manager in a department store. This was not a language issue. "Where can I find manager?" Spoken by me in english, and my girl in local language, drew vastly different responses from different clerks. In a nearby province, in the same brand mall, I tried this experience again a week later. I just walked up to several clerks and asked where I could find a manager. All of them pointed me in the right direction without needing to ask someone else for help. One even offered to call a manager to my location (sweet). Why the difference between the two identical malls in different cities?
*Side note. I walked out of my hotel one morning and there was a white man walking past on the sidewalk pulling luggage. He was not departing or entering the hotel, he was just walking down the street. Odd. He stopped me with "Sir? Sir? Can I ask you something?" (northeast US accent) Ah, sure. He asked several things all at once (they exploded out of him): "Are all philipino women stupid? Is the whole country stupid? Why can't these women be on time to anything? What's wrong with these people? Is it just me?" Kind of like that. I was taken aback, and considered walking away. I asked him to step into the shade, and I gave him the short version that all of what he was experiencing was based on cultural differences. No, they are not stupid, its just an appearance. Time is more relative to pinoy. Being on time is not considered as important. Being on time is not always possible due to traffic. You need to get a hotel room fella. You didn't research this stuff before flying here? And so on. BTW, I was embarrassed by how he was talking. A private conversation with him would have been fine, but there were locals passing by and he was speaking loudly.
If we don't have occasional posts here regarding those difficulties, how does the newb get his head around those things before he comes?
LifeIsABeach
07-06-17, 03:43
I was calm through this.
I asked the clerk to make me a photocopy of the hand-written receipt. She said that they had no copy machine, and instructed me to the mall's department store for a scan. I left the pinay at the phone company wrapping things up (she was looking at some other stuff) while I wandered next door for a photocopy.
Blah, blah, blah
Blah, blah, blah
Soooooo. We get downstairs to a desk marked "Complaint Desk".
She said that she would talk with each of the employees that I had mentioned, and also one of the managers in the management office. Too much demand for nothing. If you cannot understand the culture or the ways of a country, you need to change.
Are you going to pay for the real time cash registers in the stores in the mall? If not, do not complain. Waiting for things done varies in every country. In some countries, it could take even hours and days to get things done. Put your USA way of doing things in your back pocket when you go abroad. In France, an appointment for today may not be till tomorrow. In Morocco, the girls did keep keep the appointment but 6 hours later. That's way it is. There is NO reason for other countries to follow the burn yourself to death with fast, fast, now, now, stress, stress, instant gratification culture. Take your time and smell the roses. It's better in other countries, less stress. I remember my first time time in Morocco, I had already had breakfast in my rented condo and about 1.00 pm went to the big market for lunch. The old lady told me that it was Breakfast time and the dish I wanted would be later. Alright, I'll have breakfast! Life is good not being in the fast lane. Slow, slow is better. Be happy and not a good idea wasting time and effort filing a complaint over 2 p. Even in USA, many times, the Manager is not available all the time. Different shifts or may be out on on other matters. Just keep calm and enjoy life.
GoodEnough
07-06-17, 23:14
Are you going to pay for the real time cash registers in the stores in the mall? If not, do not complain. Waiting for things done varies in every country. Just keep calm and enjoy life.There are real time cash registers in most malls. The real issue I believe is that the focus on commercial transactions here is difference, and the stress is less on customer service than ensuring that employees have limited opportunities to steal. This remains largely a cash economy, and the owners / senior managers of commercial establishments limit employees' access to cash by insisting that one person and only a very limited number of people are able to handle the transactions.
As to taking the time to smell the roses, I agree. I remember, when I first started worked in Paris and was told by my French colleagues over lunch that: "This is France. This is not the United States. Here, we work to live; there, you live to work. " Internalizing that simple remark changed my whole outlook on life over the ensuring years. Living here, if you don't learn to take the lack of efficiency in stride, you're dooming yourself to high stress levels.
GE.
LifeIsABeach
07-07-17, 04:25
There are real time cash registers in most malls. The real issue I believe is that the focus on commercial transactions here is difference, and the stress is less on customer service than ensuring that employees have limited opportunities to steal. This remains largely a cash economy, and the owners / senior managers of commercial establishments limit employees' access to cash by insisting that one person and only a very limited number of people are able to handle the transactions.
As to taking the time to smell the roses, I agree. I remember, when I first started worked in Paris and was told by my French colleagues over lunch that: "This is France. This is not the United States. Here, we work to live; there, you live to work. " Internalizing that simple remark changed my whole outlook on life over the ensuring years. Living here, if you don't learn to take the lack of efficiency in stride, you're dooming yourself to high stress levels. GE.Agreed. Corruption takes over efficiency in Philippines. Frankly, I do not care. I consider myself a guest in another country and go by their flow. Right now, I am so happy to have ditched the USA way of work and even if someone comes to me with a wad of dollars to do what I used to do, even for a very short time, I'll say NO Way. I have a lot less money by taking early retirement and will be outa USA within the next 6 months. Simply can't wait to leave.
GoodEnough
07-09-17, 06:06
Agreed. Corruption takes over efficiency in Philippines. Frankly, I do not care. I consider myself a guest in another country and go by their flow. Right now, I am so happy to have ditched the USA way of work and even if someone comes to me with a wad of dollars to do what I used to do, even for a very short time, I'll say NO Way. I have a lot less money by taking early retirement and will be outa USA within the next 6 months. Simply can't wait to leave.I hear you, and I agree, particularly with the US the way it is now. The simple lesson is you learn to adapt, and revel in those aspects of the country that you find appealing, or you walk around full of resentment and anger while you're here in which case you're not going to last long.
GE.
WestCoast1
07-09-17, 12:57
Too much demand for nothing. If you cannot understand the culture or the ways of a country, you need to change.As stated, I understand it. I was polite in my dealings. That I'd like part of it to change becomes irrelevant, as the culture is in the midst of change. Its not demand for nothing if I'm willing to pay for it (see below).
Are you going to pay for the real time cash registers in the stores in the mall? If not, do not complain. Yes, I'm willing to pay for it. In fact we are all have been paying for it in other countries. As businesses move towards plastic as payment (and POS scanners that go with it), stores recalculate the increased prices to account for the technology (and to account for the % loss to Visa). Hence, we all pay for that. While still a cash society, Phils is in the midst of moving more towards plastic for payment (has been slowly going on for some time now). Phils is just behind in timeframe. Spent 2 weeks recently in the Mindanao province, used my CC in quite a few POS places (pretty non-existent 5 years ago). Doesn't matter if I gripe or not, the change will occur.
BaddHabbit
07-10-17, 02:08
A quick question for the group.
I see in quite a few reports people talk about the need to cleanup in between visits by different girls, and how important that is. Naturally, it is a 'gentlemanly' thing to do (such as it is in the mongering game), and you don't want to throw the last girl in the face of the new one, but.
Surely 99% + of the girls know exactly why they are there, and that if they are there on such a basis, that you are almost certainly in the game with many other girls, and therefore actually wouldn't really care that another girl had been there? I get that it is nice to not be so blatant about it, and I would always do the same, but does it actually matter?
FreebieFan
07-10-17, 04:58
A quick question for the group.
I see in quite a few reports people talk about the need to cleanup in between visits by different girls, and how important that is. Naturally, it is a 'gentlemanly' thing to do (such as it is in the mongering game), and you don't want to throw the last girl in the face of the new one, but.
Surely 99% + of the girls know exactly why they are there, and that if they are there on such a basis, that you are almost certainly in the game with many other girls, and therefore actually wouldn't really care that another girl had been there? I get that it is nice to not be so blatant about it, and I would always do the same, but does it actually matter?Filipinas are fabulous about copying each other. So if one girl is called Irish another 100 will be. If one girl puts " open minded " on a profile another 100 will do. So equally if one girl thinks a guy is a player, all her friends will also be on the alert for players and thus she becomes conditioned to look for evidence of a guys misdeeds.
Where do you think the phrase " see how you are " originates or " babaero " the same.
Yes you are correct theres no need to go crazy and do a CSI type sweep of the room, with UV light etc but equally its fine to be a little sensitive. Having a garbage bin with used panty liners or hair on the pillow, or unflushed / unflushable condoms in the bowl, might lead to a less than satisfactory outcome. We all play this in different ways but I think most of us have felt the full force of Pinay upset, from the silent treatment to the shouting scene. Whatever the reaction it never goes very well and prevention will ensure a better nights romp. Shoving the evidence in a girls face, no matter her profession will almost always result in a less happy night.
BrainDrain
07-10-17, 07:54
I see in quite a few reports people talk about the need to cleanup in between visits by different girls, and how important that is. Naturally, it is a 'gentlemanly' thing to do (such as it is in the mongering game), and you don't want to throw the last girl in the face of the new one, but.Cleaning up in between visits just saves so many questions. I am always trying to keep it good. Empty bins etc. But I'm not perfect.
A few weeks ago.
"Do you have a GF? Um No.
"Do you bring many girls here? Um No. , Why you ask?
"Do you panty liners?
So the bathroom bin is a definite for emptying between visits.
Then there was the night my GF was cleaning her hair out of my hair brush and did a forensic investigation of hair colour and texture. It was evidence that I simply could not deny. I just confessed to it. How have you guys handled the bathroom forensics before?
BD.
Wicked Roger
07-10-17, 11:20
Cleaning up in between visits just saves so many questions. I am always trying to keep it good. Empty bins etc. But I'm not perfect.
So the bathroom bin is a definite for emptying between visits.
Then there was the night my GF was cleaning her hair out of my hair brush and did a forensic investigation of hair colour and texture. It was evidence that I simply could not deny. I just confessed to it. How have you guys handled the bathroom forensics before?
BD.Firstly I call the hotel and ask it to clean the room again (small tip maybe required but worth it).
If you are in an airbnb place etc, I would use FF methods (I have before) but double check as some ladies deliberately leave things behind. Example one friend found a g string under the pillow, another one found it under the bed. Some are devious (and jealous as that to them equals love).
I have said "I had a massage before you came so must have been her when she went to the CR / toilet" - that seems to work.
Another ofl friend handled it by buying new crockery / glassware and refurbishing some of the bathroom his aldy wrecked / smashed when she found tell tale evidence. And a text message from me to him suggesting we meet at my place for some reason she found me a tad "babaero" and did not trust me imagine that!
Change rooms often.
Cleaning up in between visits just saves so many questions. I am always trying to keep it good. Empty bins etc. But I'm not perfect.
A few weeks ago.
"Do you have a GF? Um No.
"Do you bring many girls here? Um No. , Why you ask?
"Do you panty liners?
So the bathroom bin is a definite for emptying between visits.
Then there was the night my GF was cleaning her hair out of my hair brush and did a forensic investigation of hair colour and texture. It was evidence that I simply could not deny. I just confessed to it. How have you guys handled the bathroom forensics before?
BD..
MrWoolyBooly
07-10-17, 14:08
Cleaning up in between visits just saves so many questions. I am always trying to keep it good. Empty bins etc. But I'm not perfect.
A few weeks ago.
"Do you have a GF? Um No.
"Do you bring many girls here? Um No. , Why you ask?
"Do you panty liners?
So the bathroom bin is a definite for emptying between visits.
Then there was the night my GF was cleaning her hair out of my hair brush and did a forensic investigation of hair colour and texture. It was evidence that I simply could not deny. I just confessed to it. How have you guys handled the bathroom forensics before?
BD.In hotels, I call inordinately often to request cleaning service with 50 or 100 peso tip to the poor drudge that keeps coming back. In condos, I'll have a local stop by on a schedule to clean but just otherwise glance around and remove the worst mood-spoiling evidence. "Yaya" from one of my earlier FRs intentionlly left her panties on the floor on the ladies side of the bed near the wall. She went home pantieless?? I kept the thoughtful souvenir. She also wrote her full name in big letters on the notepad by the phone. I'm sure both were seen by several guests before I found them. No CSI here.
FreebieFan
07-11-17, 01:37
Firstly I call the hotel and ask it to clean the room again (small tip maybe required but worth it).
If you are in an airbnb place etc, I would use FF methods (I have before) but double check as some ladies deliberately leave things behind. Example one friend found a g string under the pillow, another one found it under the bed. Some are devious (and jealous as that to them equals love).
I have said "I had a massage before you came so must have been her when she went to the CR / toilet" - that seems to work.
Another ofl friend handled it by buying new crockery / glassware and refurbishing some of the bathroom his aldy wrecked / smashed when she found tell tale evidence. And a text message from me to him suggesting we meet at my place for some reason she found me a tad "babaero" and did not trust me imagine that!Ha. I used exactly thre " I had a massage " line also when a few hairs were found on the pillow that somehow I had missed.
What is interesting here is the extent of panty loss these ladies suffer. Not one, but two very small tbacks were found by someone who shouldn't have found them, which caused many many many problems.
No idea why girls leave panties under the bed, behind the bed, in hard to find places but I guess its a marking of territory the way dogs [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) on lamp posts?
Wicked Roger
07-11-17, 04:13
No idea why girls leave panties under the bed, behind the bed, in hard to find places but I guess its a marking of territory the way dogs ,,,, on lamp posts?Exactly that FF, they see it as sign off love as shows you there are jealous which to many pinays equals love but we all know that it does not and many times I have pointed this out and also walked away.
Also they want you exclusively which of course we like also LOL (well until the next threesome).
A quick question for the group.
I see in quite a few reports people talk about the need to cleanup in between visits by different girls, and how important that is. Naturally, it is a 'gentlemanly' thing to do (such as it is in the mongering game), and you don't want to throw the last girl in the face of the new one, but.
Surely 99% + of the girls know exactly why they are there, and that if they are there on such a basis, that you are almost certainly in the game with many other girls, and therefore actually wouldn't really care that another girl had been there? I get that it is nice to not be so blatant about it, and I would always do the same, but does it actually matter?Sanitising is a subject near and dear to me. This is the dial-it-to-11 guide when you have dating-site girls visiting and many of them are repeats. You may dial it back for bar girls and other one-time visitors.
CR
Towels: make up and lipstick are smeared on them.
Soap and bottles: stray hair stuck on it.
Drain: hair always collects there.
Shower curtain: step in the shower and draw the curtain. Hose it down.
Bin: always keep a plastic bin liner / bag in it. Toss the entire bag, not just the contents. Look inside the bin because sometimes items are 'placed' in it under the liner.
Hairbrushes: always examine and remove all hair.
Mirror: examine for handprints and makeup.
Basin, toilet, and tub: wash.
Sit on toilet and close the door. Examine the room from the girl's viewpoint.
If you have a small rug in the CR shake it out in the tub.
Bedroom
Linen: keep a change of pillow cases and sheets available. After the girl leaves swap. If this is impossible pull all sheets and shake. This will shake loose stray earrings, hair, dentures (hat tip Westie), etc. Remake bed. Examine for stains and hair. Use a stain stick for spot cleaning.
Floor: sweep. Make sure to look beside and under bed for condom wrappers, Kentucky jelly tubes, toys, ties, ribbons, whatever.
Mirror and vanity: examine for handprints and makeup, especially powered foundation. If the vanity has a chair they're will be foundation on it too.
Kitchen and living room
Take all glasses, silverware, and plates and wash immediately. After drying place back in cupboard and drawers. Two glasses sitting in the drying rack is a sign you had a guest. Toss the kitchen rubbish.
Check windows for handprints. Hat tip Skogis for this tip.
"But I have regular-visitor girls over who leave personal hygiene items like shampoo, toothbrushes, and even some clothes and a pair of slippers at my place. I have another girl coming over this afternoon, and my regular will return at night."
Your mobile is your friend. Photo everything first after the regular leaves. Put her items into a bag and stow away. Replace the bin liner but do not toss. Save some of her hairs you found on the floor and on the bed. Hide away all these items. After your afternoon guest leaves clean up. Then, grab those bags you stashed earlier and replace the items where they were. Put her slippers back beside the door. Hang her items in the closet. Put her toothbrush back. Replace the sheets back to what she saw in the morning. Put the bin liner with her refuse back into the bin. Spread some of her hairs back on the floor and on the pillow case - they don't need to be exactly where they were. Change the TV channel back to one she knows you watch; if you're not an ABS-CBN viewer she ought not see that when she turns it on. Eject DVD from player.
Repeat girls who know you will look for patterns and discrepancies. If you're always untidy and then they see tidiness, they'll suspect. It's safest to be consistently tidy because you'll develop a routine and it keeps the cockroaches away.
And have some explanations ready. "Why is this tube of lube here?" I was jerking off.
Pro tip: double up on items. For example, if she knows you have a full tube of lube and three condoms, and 10 hours later you have half a tube of lube and 1 condom, you have some 'splainin to do. If you have spares stored away you avoid awkward questions.
Lastly, on your computer create a second clean user account that doesn't have admin rights. Before she comes over log off your account w / your real info such as email, documents, dating sites, etc and logon to the clean profile for viewing youtube videos and films with her. She'll snoop when you step away, and if you're constantly locking your computer to prevent this when you do so she'll suspect you're hiding something.
Sanitising is a subject near and dear to me. This is the dial-it-to-11 guide when you have dating-site girls visiting and many of them are repeats. You may dial it back for bar girls and other one-time visitors.
SNIP SNIP
Geez Huts, you should hire a maid to do all of this for you. One you don't shag obviously.
Sanitising is a subject near and dear to me. This is the dial-it-to-11 guide when you have dating-site girls visiting and many of them are repeats. You may dial it back for bar girls and other one-time visitors.
CR
Towels: make up and lipstick are smeared on them.
Soap and bottles: stray hair stuck on it.
Drain: hair always collects there.
Shower curtain: step in the shower and draw the curtain. Hose it down.
Bin: always keep a plastic bin liner / bag in it. Toss the entire bag, not just the contents. Look inside the bin because sometimes items are 'placed' in it under the liner.
Hairbrushes: always examine and remove all hair.
Mirror: examine for handprints and makeup.
Basin, toilet, and tub: wash.
Sit on toilet and close the door. Examine the room from the girl's viewpoint.
If you have a small rug in the CR shake it out in the tub.
Bedroom
Linen: keep a change of pillow cases and sheets available. After the girl leaves swap. If this is impossible pull all sheets and shake. This will shake loose stray earrings, hair, dentures (hat tip Westie), etc. Remake bed. Examine for stains and hair. Use a stain stick for spot cleaning.
Floor: sweep. Make sure to look beside and under bed for condom wrappers, Kentucky jelly tubes, toys, ties, ribbons, whatever.
Mirror and vanity: examine for handprints and makeup, especially powered foundation. If the vanity has a chair they're will be foundation on it too.
Kitchen and living room
Take all glasses, silverware, and plates and wash immediately. After drying place back in cupboard and drawers. Two glasses sitting in the drying rack is a sign you had a guest. Toss the kitchen rubbish.
Check windows for handprints. Hat tip Skogis for this tip.
"But I have regular-visitor girls over who leave personal hygiene items like shampoo, toothbrushes, and even some clothes and a pair of slippers at my place. I have another girl coming over this afternoon, and my regular will return at night."
Your mobile is your friend. Photo everything first after the regular leaves. Put her items into a bag and stow away. Replace the bin liner but do not toss. Save some of her hairs you found on the floor and on the bed. Hide away all these items. After your afternoon guest leaves clean up. Then, grab those bags you stashed earlier and replace the items where they were. Put her slippers back beside the door. Hang her items in the closet. Put her toothbrush back. Replace the sheets back to what she saw in the morning. Put the bin liner with her refuse back into the bin. Spread some of her hairs back on the floor and on the pillow case - they don't need to be exactly where they were. Change the TV channel back to one she knows you watch; if you're not an ABS-CBN viewer she ought not see that when she turns it on. Eject DVD from player.
Repeat girls who know you will look for patterns and discrepancies. If you're always untidy and then they see tidiness, they'll suspect. It's safest to be consistently tidy because you'll develop a routine and it keeps the cockroaches away.
And have some explanations ready. "Why is this tube of lube here?" I was jerking off.
Pro tip: double up on items. For example, if she knows you have a full tube of lube and three condoms, and 10 hours later you have half a tube of lube and 1 condom, you have some 'splainin to do. If you have spares stored away you avoid awkward questions.
Lastly, on your computer create a second clean user account that doesn't have admin rights. Before she comes over log off your account w / your real info such as email, documents, dating sites, etc and logon to the clean profile for viewing youtube videos and films with her. She'll snoop when you step away, and if you're constantly locking your computer to prevent this when you do so she'll suspect you're hiding something.Reminds me of the Bond movie where he sticks a hair on a door frame. Unfortunately, even if they know the game, play the game, and are in the game, they don't want it flashed in front of their faces and their noses rubbed in it. I commend you on your CSI level of caution. Much better than an eruption. LOL ;-D.
BaddHabbit
07-12-17, 01:24
Sanitising is a subject near and dear to me. This is the dial-it-to-11 guide when you have dating-site girls visiting and many of them are repeats. You may dial it back for bar girls and other one-time visitors. - SNIP -Wow!!
OK, I might have to copy this into the notes area on my phone. But then of course I would need advice on how to keep a secret set of notes! LOL. What an amazing routine, lots of great advice here, thanks!
Geez Huts, you should hire a maid to do all of this for you. One you don't shag obviously.I actually did so a long time ago, but they were crap at it. Poor attention to detail. Once you have your routine down it goes by quickly.
CallSign Papa
07-12-17, 14:47
I actually did so a long time ago, but they were crap at it. Poor attention to detail. Once you have your routine down it goes by quickly.I concur, you can generally do a pretty thorough sweep inside 10 minutes and it really is worth the effort to save the headache you'll get if something untoward is discovered. Most of the girls who venture into my condo are non-p4 p and an incident like this would probably mean the end of that session and of that girl.
Just to add to the horror stories, I had a girl put a used condom wrapper under the duvet (bearing in mind we'd been above the duvet the whole time and it was still tucked in). Thankfully I managed to hide it with my hand before any damage was done.
Member #4558
07-13-17, 00:15
Its been educational to read and to some extent (not in full) I do some evidence removals myself but even so it bellied up not so long ago. I admit I don't change bed covers between sessions (only if some blood). Well girl arrives and we start humping on the bed. Then she screams in pain. Then I found the previous girls ear nob inside the bed covers (the opening was the wrong way so in some mysterious ways must have fallen inside. Because I swiped and searched for hairs / items in bed between the two sessions. I had to invent some excuse as usual because the girl was sure I did other girls before she. I refused and blamed housekeeping staff (one of them must have lost it). I just stood by my explanation so long and hard so at the end we could go on banging. If she believed it or not. My bet would be "not", hehe.
Learning process: wrap bed covers inside out to see if something falls out.
I actually did so a long time ago, but they were crap at it. Poor attention to detail. Once you have your routine down it goes by quickly.There is one that you missed. Some of the pinay ladies like perfumed products. It will permeate everything. Smoke can be explained. But perfume to scented baby powder is harder. It will stay on clothing for days.
There is one that you missed. Some of the pinay ladies like perfumed products. It will permeate everything. Smoke can be explained. But perfume to scented baby powder is harder. It will stay on clothing for days.You're right. I forgot to mention that. I spray sandalwood scent on my clothes and the pillows; it conceals the floral and citrus scents women wear. You want something with a good amount of essential oils because that doesn't evaporate quickly or just use essential oils themselves. I also use incense sticks for my condo.
MrWoolyBooly
07-15-17, 14:53
You're right. I forgot to mention that. I spray sandalwood scent on my clothes and the pillows; it conceals the floral and citrus scents women wear. You want something with a good amount of essential oils because that doesn't evaporate quickly or just use essential oils themselves. I also use incense sticks for my condo.Mr Hutsori, you are truly the master of evidence removals. I salute you! I guess I'm too lazy. For any girl that reaches that level of importance, I'd probably rent a nearby condo for her alone, as well as a refuge from the main pleasure palace.
You're right. I forgot to mention that. I spray sandalwood scent LOL. I think you are pulling my leg now!! I fortunately have several friends / colleagues who douse themselves with expensive perfume so it stays on you the whole day after a greeting. The floral scents are harder to explain if a lady friend does not use scented products. Regardless of the source, suspicions can be a real mood killer.
LOL. I think you are pulling my leg now!! I fortunately have several friends / colleagues who douse themselves with expensive perfume so it stays on you the whole day after a greeting. The floral scents are harder to explain if a lady friend does not use scented products. Regardless of the source, suspicions can be a real mood killer.Not at all. Crabtree and Evelyn had a very nice sandalwood cologne, but now it's just soaps and balms, so I switched to George Trumper. There are a few Crabtree and Evelyn shops in Manila such as Greenbelt 1 - there was one in Glorietta too but no longer. There's also a scent shop / perfumer near the corner Paseo de Roxas and Buendia near the immigration office. Rather than douse myself I carry a small vial of essential oil and reapply it as needed. Oils don't evaporate as quickly as cologne so just a dab here and there. You want to get the essential oils because those are natural. One of my fubus started her own scent business as a side job but later she relocated to Singapore. She mixed some lovely scents.
Not at all. Crabtree and Evelyn had a very nice sandalwood cologne, but now it's just soaps and balms, so I switched to George Trumper. There are a few Crabtree and Evelyn shops in Manila such as Greenbelt 1 - there was one in Glorietta too but no longer. There's also a scent shop / perfumer near the corner Paseo de Roxas and Buendia near the immigration office. Rather than douse myself I carry a small vial of essential oil and reapply it as needed. Oils don't evaporate as quickly as cologne so just a dab here and there. You want to get the essential oils because those are natural. One of my fubus started her own scent business as a side job but later she relocated to Singapore. She mixed some lovely scents.Perfume versus Eau de Toilet versus Cologne. Correct. If you are looking for essential oils, the Internet prices are much better if you can get to a place with cheaper or free shipping. A big bottle lasts a long time when used in a diffuser or vaporizer. I am not sure the differences but the ones I get appears to work at fraction of the retail store prices.
FWIW, still working of getting cheap massage oils through one of my massage places. Oil is not bad at US10 for like 20 FL oz. Just add essential oil to make it an expensive oil or takes one back to another place and time.
Good post of your Crime Scene Sanitizing advice! ;-D
WestCoast1
07-26-17, 01:02
Just a reminder: Sometimes your luggage is opened (security purposes) after you check in for your flight. They usually leave a calling-card.
FreebieFan
08-09-17, 10:06
Mr Hutsori, you are truly the master of evidence removals. I salute you! I guess I'm too lazy. For any girl that reaches that level of importance, I'd probably rent a nearby condo for her alone, as well as a refuge from the main pleasure palace.Last weekend < I did a CSI type check of my condo. The girl who was visiting had previously found evidence of my playing, courtesy of the security guard with a big mouth, and made a big deal for 15 minutes then got into bed and we had the best night ever.
So this time I cleaned every hair, removed everything I could (only because I like this girl). We go out drinking, get back to the apartment, clothes fall off and we get to the darkened bedroom. She says " can I turn the light on" and I said sure confident in my cleaning actions. Her eyes were like laser beams, they shot to the pillow and she triumphantly holds up two hairs and says " these arent mine ".
How she saw them is beyond me as I had shakedn those pillows for minutes.
She pouted at the door for 20 minute semi undressed, threatening to go home. ID already met one girl that day so I was calm. Eventually she got back into bed and we both enjoyed.
I had a visitor today and insisted she clean most of her own hair up from the bed, the bathroom and swept the floor. She was happy to comply. No idea whos hair she swept up but there was lots. LOL.
MrWoolyBooly
08-09-17, 13:18
I had a visitor today and insisted she clean most of her own hair up from the bed, the bathroom and swept the floor. Brilliant!
BrainDrain
08-09-17, 23:25
Last weekend < I did a CSI type check of my condo. The girl who was visiting had previously found evidence of my playing, courtesy of the security guard with a big mouth, and made a big deal for 15 minutes then got into bed and we had the best night ever.
.I know your pain. Firstly it is so convenient and relaxing for us to entertain our multiple guess in the convenience of our apartment. When my GF returns thought I am just so nervous.
Last few times I have been going to a short time hotel. For the p500 investment it is just so good later. The girl that comes to the short time doesn't seem to be too interested as it seems to be a normal thing.
I did read in another thread about saying that I had an in-room massage. Might explore that idea.
BD.
Member #4566
08-14-17, 19:15
Dude, seriously. You're entitled to your opinion but just being a contrarian for the sake of it is dull.
Going forward I'll reserve the right to call out anyone if I feel they're abusing other people's generosity with no intention of reciprocity. I do that in my day to day life, does that mean I'm too involved there too?I am disappointed that you perceive the issue in terms of contrariness for its own sake. Allow me to give greater scope to the problem. A few ISG members who are frequent posters on the Philippine forum are harassing newcomers. Here are some of the methods they employ:
(1) Investigating newcomers to adjudge if their posts merit reply.
(2) Promulgating rules which a newcomer needs to follow in order to be worthy of a response.
(3) Insisting that a newcomer pay $20 so that he can receive a PM response to an inquiry even when that inquiry does not involve information of a confidential nature.
(4) Directing other members not respond to an inquiry made by a newcomer.
(5) Not making allowances for a newcomer's cultural differences and shortcomings in English proficiency.
(6) Ridiculing newcomers and making ISG hostile to newcomers.
A couple of these ISG members have upwards of 5,000 posts. Because of this, perhaps they are deluded into believing that they should be accorded an elevated status or that they have earned proprietary rights. I am not here to dispel their delusions but merely to ask that they stop persecuting newcomers.
Why do some people bully those that they can? Who knows? But deep down in some dark recess of personality there is fear and insecurity where Mommy's love was unable illuminate.
You mentioned that you expect something in return for help. I don't believe that is true about you. When a person stops you in the street and asks you for directions or say for a recommendation for a favorite restaurant in your neighborhood, you don't ask them for something in return. You don't refuse them and tell them to get a smartphone with GPS. (In fact I write reviews for Yelp and Trip Advisor without any expectation that those reading my reviews will ever make a review of their own.) Of course not. You want to be helpful and I think that is the kind of spirit we should have here on the ISG.
MrWoolyBooly
08-14-17, 20:16
I am disappointed that you perceive the issue in terms of contrariness for its own sake. Allow me to give greater scope to the problem. A few ISG members who are frequent posters on the Philippine forum are harassing newcomers. Here are some of the methods they employ:
(1) Investigating newcomers to adjudge if their posts merit reply.
(3) Insisting that a newcomer pay $20 so that he can receive a PM response to an inquiry even when that inquiry does not involve information of a confidential nature.
Greetings Mr. Pompetus,
May I point out objections to the above two points? Nobody is obligated to reply, with or without reason, or whether the reason is persuasive to others or not. Similarly, anyone can chose whether they prefer to respond publicly or via PM, with or without a reason that any others find persuasive. If both parties agree on method, communication occurs. Otherwise, no harm no foul.
I do agree with your general idea that civility, in particular to the vast majority of people whose first language is not English, would benefit all.
Regards,
WB.
Pompetus,
Concur. The number of posts is not necessarily related to one's travel experience. However, some newcomers could read more first and then ask intelligent questions. As for the $20 geez if they can't afford $20 how they afford to travel? It is worth the annual subscription just for the PMs with other members. Just my .02.
MrWoolyBooly
08-15-17, 00:22
As for the $20 geez if they can't afford $20 how they afford to travel?True, and if $20 is a stretch maybe they should be posting in a page "Bargains found under bridges over the Pasig River". Disclaimer: I have no idea where the cheapest services are offered. No disrespect intended to residents under said bridges.
Just a reminder: Sometimes your luggage is opened (security purposes) after you check in for your flight. They usually leave a calling-card.In the past, depending on the airport, I would be informed by gate staff if anything was to be removed for security reasons, like a brand new tube of marine sealant for scuba or a can of Lysol. Sometimes, small expensive items will just go missing. A spare iPhone disappeared once. I now pack more carefully and hand carry the small expensive stuff if I can. The funny thing is most of the rummaging is on the US domestic connections when inbound. I know because I pick up my suitcase before customs and I can see they were untouched.
FreebieFan
08-15-17, 03:59
I am disappointed that you perceive the issue in terms of contrariness for its own sake. Allow me to give greater scope to the problem. A few ISG members who are frequent posters on the Philippine forum are harassing newcomers. Here are some of the methods they employ:
(1) Investigating newcomers to adjudge if their posts merit reply.
(2) Promulgating rules which a newcomer needs to follow in order to be worthy of a response.
(3) Insisting that a newcomer pay $20 so that he can receive a PM response to an inquiry even when that inquiry does not involve information of a confidential nature.
(4) Directing other members not respond to an inquiry made by a newcomer.
(5) Not making allowances for a newcomer's cultural differences and shortcomings in English proficiency.
(6) Ridiculing newcomers and making ISG hostile to newcomers.
A couple of these ISG members have upwards of 5,000 posts. Because of this, perhaps they are deluded into believing that they should be accorded an elevated status or that they have earned proprietary rights. I am not here to dispel their delusions but merely to ask that they stop persecuting newcomers.
Why do some people bully those that they can? Who knows? But deep down in some dark recess of personality there is fear and insecurity where Mommy's love was unable illuminate.
You mentioned that you expect something in return for help. I don't believe that is true about you. When a person stops you in the street and asks you for directions or say for a recommendation for a favorite restaurant in your neighborhood, you don't ask them for something in return. You don't refuse them and tell them to get a smartphone with GPS. (In fact I write reviews for Yelp and Trip Advisor without any expectation that those reading my reviews will ever make a review of their own.) Of course not. You want to be helpful and I think that is the kind of spirit we should have here on the ISG.And of course some of us, perhaps those with posts in the 1,000's could of course say is it anyones business (yours or mine or otherwise) how we treat each other here. Seniority has its privileges. ? Sorry mate, but your post, whilst eloquent and polite seems to me to be a waste of time and bandwidth.
Just a reminder: Sometimes your luggage is opened (security purposes) after you check in for your flight. They usually leave a calling-card.Fellow ISG guy,
PM'd me that he received an email to call back at Manila Airport and pick up a baggage left behind.
He did not answer email or return to airport cause he did not leave any bag behind at the airport.
He suspected it might be a new airport scam, wherein you return, and Airport personnel put the heat on you re "contents of bag" , sort of thing.
Possibility. Take care.
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A few ISG members who are frequent posters on the Philippine forum are harassing newcomers. Here are some of the methods they employ:
(1) Investigating
(2) Promulgating rules
(3) Insisting
(4)Directing
(6) Ridiculing newcomers and making ISG hostile to newcomers.
they are deluded ....snip.... an elevated status ...... snip...... persecuting newcomers.
Why do some people bully those that they can? Pompetus, you are entitled to your own opinion, like anyone else. But methinks you are way over the top with your hyperbolic language (I have boldened the type as examples). Yes some members, not necessarily senior members, post opinions that may get up your nose and may to you seem excessive. We all have our own gripes about styles and patterns of behaviour. But, if I may coin a phrase, swallow it and move on!
I for one get a little bit pissed off with some members using unfamiliar abbreviations forcing me to move to the Abbrebiations page to find out what the hell they are talking about. Sometimes it is easier to say "read the forum" than wondering what RTFF means!
Some of us advocate that the Photo Gallery should be for photos and not for chit chat about photos and other topics. That is not "promulgating rules". That is urging common sense when there is also an adjacent Photo Gallery Chit Chat Forum available for comment. The Philippines Photo Forum shows how successful this self policing is. Of all the ISG photo forums it has the most photos (16,836) associated with the most postings (8796) at a strike rate of almost 2 photos to every posting. Well done guys!
Sorry mate, but your post, whilst eloquent and polite seems to me to be a waste of time and bandwidth.I agree FreebieFan.
Quote.
The Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board on Monday suspended the accreditation and operations of Uber System Inc. (Uber) for one month.
In its advisory, the LTFRB said the board meted out the penalty of one-month suspension "on the accreditation of Uber System, Inc. (Uber) and was ordered to cease and desist its operations of their online booking application during the period of suspension. ".
LTFRB also recommended that Uber extend financial assistance to affected peer-operators during the one-month suspension "as an expression of good faith", noting that the operators "would not have suffered the current predicament were it not for the predatory actions of respondent user. ".
The suspension takes effect immediately.
Copies of the suspension were furnished to enforcers of the LTFRB, Land Transportation Office, Metropolitan Manila Development Authority, and the Philippine National Police Highway Patrol Group.
In a statement, Uber Philippines said they have received the order and is currently studying it.
"Uber received an order around 6 pm tonight (August 14) to completely stop operations. We are studying the order at the moment. We will update our riders and drivers as soon as we can," the company said.
Uber and rival Grab are in dispute with the LTFRB over the scope of regulation on ride-sharing services, sparking separate investigations by the Senate and the House of Representatives.
The LTFRB earlier fined Uber and Grab P5 million each, accusing the companies of operating some 50,000 vehicles without proper permits.
http://news.abs-cbn.com/business/08/14/17/ltfrb-suspends-uber-operations-for-one-month
Clearly to me there is some corruption involved to maintain status quo by keeping Uber and Grab out of the market. The Uber rep made a great case to the board without trashing anyone. Looks like retaliation to me and last ditch effort to squash Uber.
I am speculating that the Filipinos had a taste of reputable riding with Uber and Grab that they will not stand for this suspension, especially if it will make them wait in long lines again for unreputable taxis again.
There is only one reason for the success of Uber and Grab and that is the unsavory crooked market created by the existing taxis.
MrWoolyBooly
08-15-17, 19:41
Clearly to me there is some corruption involved to maintain status quo by keeping Uber and Grab out of the market. The Uber rep made a great case to the board without trashing anyone. Looks like retaliation to me and last ditch effort to squash Uber.
I am speculating that the Filipinos had a taste of reputable riding with Uber and Grab that they will not stand for this suspension, especially if it will make them wait in long lines again for unreputable taxis again.
There is only one reason for the success of Uber and Grab and that is the unsavory crooked market created by the existing taxis.I'll believe it's all a case of incumbents resisting new entrants who perhaps don't apply enough grease to the ride skids until I see evidence to the contrary. Regardless of the cause, aren't there one or more apps in the Philippines that summon taxis for backup, however distasteful? Is that Grab or some other app?
I'll believe it's all a case of incumbents resisting new entrants who perhaps don't apply enough grease to the ride skids until I see evidence to the contrary. Regardless of the cause, aren't there one or more apps in the Philippines that summon taxis for backup, however distasteful? Is that Grab or some other app?There is Grab but they are after Grab too.
Dear all,
Although I am a member for several years, I took notice of the price thread today only.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1083-Prices
The forum is full of posts complaining about increasing prices and guys asking for price information in paticular threads.
The price thread being a general one could be a very useful tool for all of us, so I would like to encourage my fellow mongers to put some recent info there. IMO it could be done in a brief way (widely practiced already) mentioning:
Country.
City.
Type of establishment.
ST / LT.
Looks of the lady X /10.
Performance X /10.
Price.
Link to your post.
Sorry for cross posting, happy mongering!
Member #4566
08-20-17, 03:08
Or, he could pay up the $20 membership fee. His remarkable penmanship over 5 years on the board includes a whopping 15 posts, several about Dumagette (years ago) , and mostly questions since. Am suggesting Pompetus join, as the exchange of quality information is for paid members to discuss among themselves.This is an example of the treatment that newcomers receive from so-called experts. It is sarcastic. It is unwelcoming and discourages newcomers from continuing further. (Not me because I earned my bones when this honoree was still trying to diddle cheerleaders.) This poster suggests that you need to pay in order to be a senior member of ISG. Not true. You don't have to pay a farthing. Additionally, this poster says that quality information is the exclusive domain of paid-for members to share among themselves. That all others are unwelcome to it until they pay. Here is more incorrect and misleading information and the arrogant tone further alienates the newcomer.
ISG is not a club for a few who have lost the ability to diversify their interests and then use ISG to play out their Weltschmerz. Let's come together and allow newcomers to ask their questions, however amateurish they may seem. Answer them if you want and if you don't want, well then don't. But let's not chase them away by being rude and wrong.
FreebieFan
08-20-17, 05:25
This is an example of the treatment that newcomers receive from so-called experts. It is sarcastic. It is unwelcoming and discourages newcomers from continuing further. (Not me because I earned my bones when this honoree was still trying to diddle cheerleaders.) This poster suggests that you need to pay in order to be a senior member of ISG. Not true. You don't have to pay a farthing. Additionally, this poster says that quality information is the exclusive domain of paid-for members to share among themselves. That all others are unwelcome to it until they pay. Here is more incorrect and misleading information and the arrogant tone further alienates the newcomer.
ISG is not a club for a few who have lost the ability to diversify their interests and then use ISG to play out their Weltschmerz. Let's come together and allow newcomers to ask their questions, however amateurish they may seem. Answer them if you want and if you don't want, well then don't. But let's not chase them away by being rude and wrong.My golly Sir you really do have a bee in your bonnet about how newcomers are greeted here. Suggestion. Start your own ISG clone whereby you can be the administrator, moderator and owner, and kick off all who fail to live up to your won high standards of welcoming.
You tell others they should diversify, but it would appear that you are on a single one track approach. Pots and kettles and black?
Wicked Roger
08-20-17, 13:38
This is an example of the treatment that newcomers receive from so-called experts. It is sarcastic. It is unwelcoming and discourages newcomers from continuing further. (Not me because I earned my bones when this honoree was still trying to diddle cheerleaders.) This poster suggests that you need to pay in order to be a senior member of ISG. Not true. You don't have to pay a farthing. Additionally, this poster says that quality information is the exclusive domain of paid-for members to share among themselves. That all others are unwelcome to it until they pay. Here is more incorrect and misleading information and the arrogant tone further alienates the newcomer.
ISG is not a club for a few who have lost the ability to diversify their interests and then use ISG to play out their Weltschmerz. Let's come together and allow newcomers to ask their questions, however amateurish they may seem. Answer them if you want and if you don't want, well then don't. But let's not chase them away by being rude and wrong.You can't use the PM facility to share information such as phone numbers etc unless you have paid the subscription as a newbie – that is fact.
You can be a senior member on ISG by asking 25 questions (or is it 50 now I forget) – fact.
I was advised by a senior member many years ago that the FR history of newbies especially is important as it show if they can and have or will contribute – sensible advice as many promise but never deliver (the UAE forum is full of the promising newbies who have asked question over many years but somehow never followed up with a FR).
Also by checking the FR history you can a get a 'feel' for the person in some ways I was advised so you can sometimes weed out real time wasters, lurkers etc who could spoil your contact list badly or worse (this has happened to a few friends and me to a degree in the past despite my generosity).
I welcome people to contribute but will call them out when they post question after question that clearly shows no intent on sharing whatever they find after they receive – and maybe ruin a good 'relationship contact' also – why run the risk? You have spent time and effort and someone could easily ruin things. It is a risk you take and decide and'est pas?
If you feel happy sharing all the information all the time please do as no one stops you.
Westie, FF and others contribute a lot and do help many – I do also and mainly via PM (especially on the UAE thread nowadays due to LE etc). But we choose when and how and who due to our own in-built suspicions or whatever you call it. I have been burned by sharing in the past and now am more wary and do some back check if needed. That is me.
And any newbie should at least RTFF first – you would agree? This is what Westie and FF are alluding to. And me also plus countless others.
Example, my first time in the Philippines I did a big RTFF, I had lots of information of where to stay, go and prices etc. I then contacted a senior member and asked specific info via PM that he gladly shared (plus other advise not asked) as I had done my homework. Am grateful and I learnt from that experience and now I try to keep the same guidelines myself.
Another example: Loso69 (who was / is a prolific contributor on the PRC forums) came to Abu Dhabi for the first time and we met up. Why? Because he RTFF and sent me a lot of questions of clarification via PM (which showed me he had RTFF before) so I was happy to advise etc. I still do this but I draw the line at times of newbies with no intention of even the basic RTFF.
We are all different minded on this Pomp but I have not seen you helping much but you do criticise those who help but then call out some lazy managers who ask things like "where should I go to find a massage in Manila?" or "where do I go to find girls in Makati" etc.
My tuppence worth.
WestCoast1
08-20-17, 16:29
It is sarcastic. It is unwelcoming and discourages newcomers from continuing further. (Not me because I earned my bones when this honoree was still trying to diddle cheerleaders.) This poster suggests that you need to pay in order to be a senior member of ISG. Not true. You don't have to pay a farthing. Additionally, this poster says that quality information is the exclusive domain of paid-for members to share among themselves. That all others are unwelcome to it until they pay. Here is more incorrect and misleading information and the arrogant tone further alienates the newcomer.If that sounded rude, its not because he's asking a question. Its because he's taking without giving back. Its a pattern without newbs. Your opinion that we should respond to newbs on the open board is obviously not shared by all (see below).
Apology. I suggested that the info should be shared with paying members, and that might have been wrong. I assumed that only paying members had PM function. I should have suggested that info be shared with PM-able members. Anyone contacting me in PM has my support.
The above is my opinion. Its worth what you paid for it. Anyone can disagree.
My golly Sir you really do have a bee in your bonnet about how newcomers are greeted here. Suggestion. Start your own ISG clone whereby you can be the administrator, moderator and owner, and kick off all who fail to live up to your won high standards of welcoming.
You tell others they should diversify, but it would appear that you are on a single one track approach. Pots and kettles and black?Pomp has given a lot of good info to the board. He's not the only one who feels this way. I get the occasional PM from someone expressing a similar view (once every year or two). Its roughly equivalent to those gents who think the PG should be open to anyone. Pomp, probably we just will have to agree to disagree.
Member #4566
09-04-17, 20:39
If that sounded rude, its not because he's asking a question. Its because he's taking without giving back. You have unintentionally created irony. The 'he' that you are referring to here is me. I had asked a question back in 2013. At that time your investigation of me revealed I had made several (comprehensive and informative posts) on Dumaguete (and Cebu which you overlooked). Yet in your estimation you adjudged that this was an insufficient basis to warrant a reply to the inquiry that I made. You got gall. You did a half-ass review of my posts and then in a condescending and insulting tone instructed me as to your set of ISG rules which incidentally were dead wrong as to how senior status is attained.
Its a pattern without newbs. You are stumbling on a conundrum. How can you expect a newcomer to make a contribution when they are just beginning? You want a newb to contribute before they can ask a question. But how can they give information if they have no information to give because they are new?
I should have suggested that info be shared with PM-able members. It is not necessary. Regular members are able to make contributions and ask questions on the forum without any restrictions. Your attempts to enforce your pseudo-rules are interfering with the peaceful enjoyment of the forum. Leave people alone.
Your opinion that we should respond to newbs on the open board is obviously not shared by all (see below). You should re-read the person that you are quoting. That person said nothing about not sharing with newbs on the open board. Moreover, the forum administrators said nothing of it and yet we see frequent evidence of them policing the forum of inappropriate posts but never have they objected to anyone responding to newbs on the forum. The good news for you is that you don't have to police the forum: someone else is doing it. That frees up your time to develop other interests. You should work against your instinct to exclude people and learn to be inclusive. I live on the west coast of my country and that is how we are here. I can't answer for how they are on the west coast of your country.
The above is my opinion. Of course it is your opinion. I know that you wouldn't suppose to give someone else's opinion. That is a fatuous comment.
FreebieFan
09-05-17, 05:07
You have unintentionally created irony. The 'he' that you are referring to here is me. I had asked a question back in 2013. At that time your investigation of me revealed I had made several (comprehensive and informative posts) on Dumaguete (and Cebu which you overlooked). Yet in your estimation you adjudged that this was an insufficient basis to warrant a reply to the inquiry that I made. You got gall. You did a half-ass review of my posts and then in a condescending and insulting tone instructed me as to your set of ISG rules which incidentally were dead wrong as to how senior status is attained.
You are stumbling on a conundrum. How can you expect a newcomer to make a contribution when they are just beginning? You want a newb to contribute before they can ask a question. But how can they give information if they have no information to give because they are new?
It is not necessary. Regular members are able to make contributions and ask questions on the forum without any restrictions. Your attempts to enforce your pseudo-rules are interfering with the peaceful enjoyment of the forum. Leave people alone.
You should re-read the person that you are quoting. That person said nothing about not sharing with newbs on the open board. Moreover, the forum administrators said nothing of it and yet we see frequent evidence of them policing the forum of inappropriate posts but never have they objected to anyone responding to newbs on the forum. The good news for you is that you don't have to police the forum: someone else is doing it. That frees up your time to develop other interests. You should work against your instinct to exclude people and learn to be inclusive. I live on the west coast of my country and that is how we are here. I can't answer for how they are on the west coast of your country.
Of course it is your opinion. I know that you wouldn't suppose to give someone else's opinion. That is a fatuous comment.Let it go, man. You have your view, others have a divergent view. Thats how life works. You are like a dog with a bone at the moment. Is your life really worth spending 15 minutes on trying to refute another persons opinions which differs from yours. LET. IT. GO.
Wicked Roger
09-05-17, 06:40
You are stumbling on a conundrum. How can you expect a newcomer to make a contribution when they are just beginning? You want a newb to contribute before they can ask a question. But how can they give information if they have no information to give because they are new?
It is not necessary. Regular members are able to make contributions and ask questions on the forum without any restrictions. Your attempts to enforce your pseudo-rules are interfering with the peaceful enjoyment of the forum. Leave people alone..You expect them once they have RTFF and done some homework and then ask clarification points as some do to me via email. I did when I first joined and those 'rules' are what I expect but are mine and based on what I read all over the board many others.
The newbies who post "where is that location" for example (see UAE AMPS) get nothing as the location is hinted in numerous FRs and if you RTFF you will find. The location is never given because the LE watch that board a lot so can trace it also. The ones who ask this invariably have no PM.
Similarly "please send me her digits" or "where is the best place to find a girl in Manila" or "does the hotel allow a second guest" can all be found by first RTFF and then asking specific questions to clarify. Again many who ask either have no PM facility or have a long history of asking questions with promises to contribute but never do.
Worse it some screws it up for seniors who do help and are kind by showing the girl ISG etc and causing grief etc (ask me, ask Joe K in UAE as 2 good examples).
So we welcome newbies Pomp as long as they FR and contribute and show a sign of RTFF before asking an inane question that is easily answered buy a 1 minute RTFF, but those asking those questions above with no history of contributing is like playing Russian roulette with your contact list at times IMHO so many don't like that.
If you want to share all with anyone not knowing if LE or worse, go ahead no one stops you but we all have our own guidelines and these differ enormously.
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BTW Westie does share a lot but you won't see it as this is via PM.
CallSign Papa
09-05-17, 12:44
How can you expect a newcomer to make a contribution when they are just beginning? You want a newb to contribute before they can ask a question. But how can they give information if they have no information to give because they are new?The conundrum really is how did this site ever get going if no one had any reviews to read first?
There are 11,169 posts in this forum, over 50,000 related to Manila and the surround areas. Have we all been wasting our time if people just ask questions instead of researching for themselves? Why post reviews at all in this case, just make the site one big chat room.
Re the senior members vs newbies.
This occurs with surprising regularity on many different forums, I was active on the Dubai one and it chewed up a lot of bandwidth. I have seen it on other ones when I have been researching a new location. Not only ISG but other mongering and even non-mongering forums.
What the newbies don't realize is that the previous newbies have already asked the exact same questions and the information that they seek has been posted numerous times.
For the newbies, first, read the FAQ on any forum. You will get a lot of your answers there. For example here you need to pay the $20 or make enough posts to be a senior member to get PM ability. Then you don't have to ask in your first post "How can I PM someone".
Then please read the forum back a couple of months or at least 4 or 5 pages of posts (whichever is more posts). You will get a very good idea of the local scene from that. You will most likely get your questions answered in a lot less time than posting it and waiting for a reply. If once you have read back a little in the forum, you still have a question then you can ask an intelligent one i.e. Not where can I get laid, but something along the lines of I am trying to decide on bar A or bar B, which do you recommend for a first-time visitor? I am looking more for "XXX" than "YYY".
Remember in any new endeavor, you usually have to pay your dues somehow; here it is in making good reports about your past places. Even if you have never been to the Philippines, you can always post about other places you have been and by making a contribution there you will be accepted here. I started in the Dubai forum because I was there a lot and when I shifted to the Philippines, my history and contribution to the collective was recognized.
Also realize that the guys with the huge post counts are generally well regarded here and respected for their contributions, by insulting them you are not enduring yourself to anyone else here and are unlikely to get the information you are looking for.
Once you have paid your dues by making a contribution and even by asking intelligent questions, never answered before here, you will find that acceptance is surprisingly fast and total.
And for the senior members, why even reply to dumb newbie posts? Just ignore them and hope that they will get the hint instead of wasting bandwidth on replying to them except for perhaps "RTFF".
CallSign Papa
09-05-17, 15:22
And for the senior members, why even reply to dumb newbie posts? Just ignore them and hope that they will get the hint instead of wasting bandwidth on replying to them except for perhaps "RTFF".This will be my final post on the subject. I reply (not always sarcastically) because some newbs genuinely don't understand the process and need that education (to RTFF, then contribute after). Some do and are happy to take, take, take with no wish to contribute back.
You are stumbling on a conundrum. How can you expect a newcomer to make a contribution when they are just beginning? You want a newb to contribute before they can ask a question. But how can they give information if they have no information to give because they are new?
This is a good observation, a fair question, but also misses something. I addressed this conundrum a few years ago, and I stated newbs should certainly ask questions. But there are good questions and bad ones. "Where is the best place to find the girl?" is a poor question.
If you handed a new employee an orientation manual, told them to read it, and he came back and simply said "I don't understand it" or asked a question that's clearly covered in the handbook this would cause concern if not frustration. The way around this is for a newb to indicate that he has RTFF, analysed what was presented, and needs clarification.
"Hi, I read WC's comment (link/quote) and Pomp's reply that contradicts it (link/quote). Hut added this (link/quote). I'm wondering, yada yada yada."
This example is not the only way, but it at least demonstrates the person put in the effort. I'm happy to reward effort.
Lastly, our newbs come in a variety of flavours. There's a first comment guy who joined 15 minutes ago. OK, he's excited and eager, and I think most of us treat that type of person gently. Then there are the guys with 20 or so comments, almost all of them questions, asked over a period of years in several different forums. And they rarely, if ever, give back. This is a demonstrated pattern of selfishness. The derision they receive is well deserved; they earned it.
CallSign Papa
09-06-17, 07:25
Lastly, our newbs come in a variety of flavours. There's a first comment guy who joined 15 minutes ago. OK, he's excited and eager, and I think most of us treat that type of person gently. Or there's the guy who just posted his first message over in the Makati thread who literally states he doesn't have time to search for girls because he's too busy and wants the numbers and coordinates of quality girls.
He's awesome.
AussieGaigin
09-06-17, 13:43
Or there's the guy who just posted his first message over in the Makati thread who literally states he doesn't have time to search for girls because he's too busy and wants the numbers and coordinates of quality girls.
He's awesome.I've made similar observations. Several posts in other forums where the poster is "too busy" to look for himself.
Then there is the newbies who ask vague questions. So you ask for some clarification so perhaps you can help them, but you never hear from them again. Why do they ask in the first place?
Or the newbies who ask a question for which the answer is already the most recent prior post in the thread.
Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
Just want to thank all the members for the amazing contributions made to this forum over the years. I have had two visits to the Phils (mostly metro manila) in the past few years and my experience was made simply because I took the time to do some research in this forum before getting on a plane. I appreciate that there are differing points of view and differing levels of frustration with Newbs who ask and don't give and in that vein I have only lurked for some time here. All of my questions were answered in general by reading and using the search tools to find information on massage places, freelancers, pros, the whole shebang (pun intended). I never felt a need to register (still haven't paid but I will figure out how to get that by without alerting the SO) to ask for specifics by PM because the Phils are a target rich environment. If I can get my needs taken care of (I am overweight, grey and not terribly attractive) anyone can do it with a little effort and build on the information here with minimal research.
My contribution: WeChat is king (perhaps social media generally) I tried several of the dating sites. Pinalove, DIA E. G. - and its way too hard to wade through the fakes. The most efficient approach for me was simply to look around on WeChat (I don't know if Line has similar search abilities) and find a willing lass. I never did any FakeGPS pre-trip work, just start looking around when I got to the hotel. Typically I would connect with a massage provider advertising a massage in my hotel room. 2 hours, 800 PHP was pretty standard. They come and give massage, you may need to negotiate a bit to make sure he is included but typically it was and both the massage and ending were excellent for me in all cases. Most ladies were tagalog speakers with basic English skill but they could take direction and speed up or slow down on request. Then, sometimes they are upfront with upselling more services at typical Phils prices (but without a barfine), or, depending on the chemistry, you can move towards mutual massage, or simply get them to sit on your lap for a little hugging afterwards and see where that goes. On more than one occasion things did go in fact and that is how I became aware that BB is somewhat standard expectation in the Phils. If you want to go covered you need to ask or at least take the initiative because the lady won't interrupt the seduction on her own. In addition to the massage offers you will receive hits on WeChat (even with a plain vanilla profile) from ladies wanting to be friends. A little coffee for meet and greet and things can progress from there. I am always up front in weeding out the LBs by asking if they are a "woman from birth". Some express surprise at the question but I think they are faking the surprise since the LB culture is so open. Learned to do this after buying a nice dinner for a beautiful woman and figuring out that she was a he before dessert. I'm guessing the other patrons in the bar were all snickering behind my back and well aware of what was going on as I got one more newbie lesson checked off. My return visit to the Phils was also greatly enhanced by putting contacts made on the first visit to work in connecting me with their friends. Just ask, any girl in the game will try to keep you happy by sharing you with her friends.
My best experience of all was a girl I met through wechat just looking to meet up, a bit of chatting and we met for dinner and she came back to the room and literally kept me up all night, hadn't had sex. Like. That. Ever. Before. Didn't even bother trying to meet with any others after that one, filled my last three nights there and blew my mind. All the best things I have read here about pinay were confirmed. She became my GF basically and told me I'd get tampo'd if I saw anyone else. The sex was so amazing that it totally wasn't a problem. The problem is, I can't stop thinking about her.
Again thanks to all who have educated me. I won't return to the Phils until next summer and so not likely to have more to contribute until then.
WestCoast1
09-08-17, 14:04
My best experience of all was a girl I met through wechat just looking to meet up, a bit of chatting and we met for dinner and she came back to the room and literally kept me up all night, hadn't had sex. Like. That. Ever. Before. Didn't even bother trying to meet with any others after that one, filled my last three nights there and blew my mind. All the best things I have read here about pinay were confirmed. She became my GF basically and told me I'd get tampo'd if I saw anyone else. The sex was so amazing that it totally wasn't a problem. The problem is, I can't stop thinking about her.
Yessssssssss!
Zoltan, great first effort. Newbs take note.
CallSign Papa
09-08-17, 17:06
Just want to thank all the members for the amazing contributions made to this forum over the years. I have had two visits to the Phils (mostly metro manila) in the past few years and my experience was made simply because I took the time to do some research in this forum before getting on a plane. Enjoyable read, great report.
I never did any FakeGPS pre-trip work, .Anyone can guide me how to get Fake GPS and wechat to work?
Thanks.
LiveLaughFuck
09-08-17, 18:24
Well I'm here on my (now) annual trip to the Philippines and I have to say I've got mixed feelings on this trip.
I stay in Makati, for me Ermita is just too dirty and LA cafe isn't for me. I've yet to see anyone over a 6 there, mainly old, ugly, desperate and way too many miles on the clock. Love the fact there's now a smoking ban in the Philippines. But annoyed by the fact on my quick visit to LA Cafe to see if things have changed (they haven't) the smoking ban isn't being adhered to there. So I'd advise anyone in there 20's /30's to give it a miss completely.
Haven't been to EDSA on this trip but from what I hear it's over priced. Problem is, everywhere seems to be now! The inflation of prices is absurd. Filipinos typically make 500 p a day and guys are throwing away money giving 4000 or more, to the point the value of money is now lost here. I'm sorry but I stare at 1500 and won't pay more than 3000, which means the bar fines are out of my reach. Browsing through P Burgos, I haven't really found any that are even worth the 3000! I've seen a couple of cute girls here and there, and they were almost always with a Korean, so I guess I must arrive too late.
My tactic is to swap numbers and meet afterwards, the only one which I would have paid 3 k for I did this with, and ended up sleeping with her without money being exchanged. I also got a free lay from a girl on we chat who was offended at any offer of money and only wanted to have sex with a foreign guy as she was horny and had never been with one. The rest were through WeChat and I haven't paid more than 1500.
I think what's really annoyed me about this trip is the value of a foreigner seems to be decreasing at an even faster rate. I'm young and good looking, and that's helped me keep the prices low and get the free lays somewhat. But even from a year ago things have changed. Philippines is becoming more like Thailand, stupid guys paying over the odds for terrible service. I won't be a party to that.
Fact is this, you either need to come here with a lot of money to blow if you want the highest quality of women, or you need to spend a significant amount of time living here to find a stunner to be your woman. Frustratingly as well, having youth on my side with good looks makes normal Filipino girls become even more shy than they usually are, blushing, can't hold my gaze, calling me 'guapo' without the exchange of numbers. I really wouldn't mind living out here to perfect my game and pick up some stunners, but when you're here for 3 weeks or so, you're stuck with these outrageous 3900 bar fines and a 3 k tip! Everyone needs to start low balling and flat out refusing to pay these prices. You're only going to drive them up to be in line with western prices, in which case you may as well stay at home.
You can get some seriously good looking Filipino girls. But on average they are far from attractive. It's not like Brazil for example where 1 in 3 are jaw dropping.
Unfortunately I feel as though this train can no longer be stopped, so unless I have some serious cash, or serious time to invest in the Philippines I won't be back for a while.
Don't even get me started on Angeles. WTF happened.
BrainDrain
09-08-17, 23:25
Didn't even bother trying to meet with any others after that one, filled my last three nights there and blew my mind. All the best things I have read here about pinay were confirmed. She became my GF basically and told me I'd get tampo'd if I saw anyone else. The sex was so amazing that it totally wasn't a problem. The problem is, I can't stop thinking about her.
.That is exactly what the pinay is famous for. It doesn't happen with every girl you meet. In your case you met a few girls over a few days, worked your way through the duds and dudes. And then struck pinay gold.
That's a valuable lesson in itself. It takes a little research and a few mishits to get to the good ones.
For the ladyboy question, a real girl answer is always something like "lols No" where as a LB will answer, "Why?" "Why do you judge people?
If it helps ease your pain, your temporary GF has probably moved on.
BD.
Member #4566
09-09-17, 08:27
I read it on this forum. Close your eyes and just listen to the voice. Is the voice female or male?
Chocha Monger
09-09-17, 09:08
Well I'm here on my (now) annual trip to the Philippines and I have to say I've got mixed feelings on this trip.
I stay in Makati, for me Ermita is just too dirty and LA cafe isn't for me. I've yet to see anyone over a 6 there, mainly old, ugly, desperate and way too many miles on the clock. Love the fact there's now a smoking ban in the Philippines. But annoyed by the fact on my quick visit to LA Cafe to see if things have changed (they haven't) the smoking ban isn't being adhered to there. So I'd advise anyone in there 20's /30's to give it a miss completely.
Haven't been to EDSA on this trip but from what I hear it's over priced. Problem is, everywhere seems to be now! The inflation of prices is absurd. Filipinos typically make 500 p a day and guys are throwing away money giving 4000 or more, to the point the value of money is now lost here. I'm sorry but I stare at 1500 and won't pay more than 3000, which means the bar fines are out of my reach. Browsing through P Burgos, I haven't really found any that are even worth the 3000! I've seen a couple of cute girls here and there, and they were almost always with a Korean, so I guess I must arrive too late..Great report and observations from a young monger's point of view. The toothless hags in LA Caf are not worth 500 pesos. They maybe desperate but they hold out for 2,000 to 3,000 pesos and many fellas give it to them. Each day more newbies show up willing to pay higher prices to shoot their load. So, expect the trend of lower quality for higher prices to continue. Foreigners are decreasing in value because the president of the Philippines has been telling his people that most Western visitors are trash.
Now, things have changed. Even stunningly handsome young fellas with long thick cocks now have to pay higher rates for stunners. The runaway train cannot stop. As for what happened to AC, Koreans with huge amounts of cash are taking over the bar business is what happened.
Anyone can guide me how to get Fake GPS and wechat to work?
Thanks.Firstly learn Chinese so you can read the Chinese documentation on BaiduLocation SDK. Then learn the Java programming language and study GPS hardware and the Hardware Abstraction Layer (HAL) and you will be spoofing the WeChat GPS location in no time.
Then you can become a multi-millionaire by selling the app for $1 all over the world including China (and you won't need to use weChat anymore).
You're welcome!
Ikks,
P.S. Unfortunately WeChat prevents you from reverting to an earlier version (5. X. X) to use Fake GPS like we used to be able to do.
Streetlooker
09-09-17, 10:29
Well I'm here on my (now) annual trip to the Philippines and I have to say I've got mixed feelings on this trip.
I stay in Makati, for me Ermita is just too dirty and LA cafe isn't for me. I've yet to see anyone over a 6 there, mainly old, ugly, desperate and way too many miles on the clock. Love the fact there's now a smoking ban in the Philippines. But annoyed by the fact on my quick visit to LA Cafe to see if things have changed (they haven't) the smoking ban isn't being adhered to there. So I'd advise anyone in there 20's /30's to give it a miss completely.
Haven't been to EDSA on this trip but from what I hear it's over priced. Problem is, everywhere seems to be now! The inflation of prices is absurd. Filipinos typically make 500 p a day and guys are throwing away money giving 4000 or more, to the point the value of money is now lost here. I'm sorry but I stare at 1500 and won't pay more than 3000, which means the bar fines are out of my reach. Browsing through P Burgos, I haven't really found any that are even worth the 3000! I've seen a couple of cute girls here and there, and they were almost always with a Korean, so I guess I must arrive too late.
My tactic is to swap numbers and meet afterwards, the only one which I would have paid 3 k for I did this with, and ended up sleeping with her without money being exchanged. I also got a free lay from a girl on we chat who was offended at any offer of money and only wanted to have sex with a foreign guy as she was horny and had never been with one. The rest were through WeChat and I haven't paid more than 1500.
I think what's really annoyed me about this trip is the value of a foreigner seems to be decreasing at an even faster rate. I'm young and good looking, and that's helped me keep the prices low and get the free lays somewhat. But even from a year ago things have changed. Philippines is becoming more like Thailand, stupid guys paying over the odds for terrible service. I won't be a party to that.
Fact is this, you either need to come here with a lot of money to blow if you want the highest quality of women, or you need to spend a significant amount of time living here to find a stunner to be your woman. Frustratingly as well, having youth on my side with good looks makes normal Filipino girls become even more shy than they usually are, blushing, can't hold my gaze, calling me 'guapo' without the exchange of numbers. I really wouldn't mind living out here to perfect my game and pick up some stunners, but when you're here for 3 weeks or so, you're stuck with these outrageous 3900 bar fines and a 3 k tip! Everyone needs to start low balling and flat out refusing to pay these prices. You're only going to drive them up to be in line with western prices, in which case you may as well stay at home.
You can get some seriously good looking Filipino girls. But on average they are far from attractive. It's not like Brazil for example where 1 in 3 are jaw dropping.
Unfortunately I feel as though this train can no longer be stopped, so unless I have some serious cash, or serious time to invest in the Philippines I won't be back for a while.
Don't even get me started on Angeles. WTF happened.I Agree the prices are outrages and the service is lacking. The Koreans are totally changing how things are done here in AC. Western type bars are being fazed out. Bar Signs are being changes to Korean writing Girls are being offered only to Koreans. Bars are only catering to Koreans only. Hotels, restaurants, bars all Korean owners AC is done for westerners within 5 yrs. Sometimes I feel like I am actually in Korea itself there are so many of Koreans walking around here.
Streetlooker
09-09-17, 10:34
I read it on this forum. Close your eyes and just listen to the voice. Is the voice female or male?The Filipino lady boys are so obvious that it be hard not to know. Its not like in Thailand where some of them do look totally female. Filipina ladyboys totally look like a man in dress.
..................Filipina ladyboys totally look like a man in dress.I agree. If you fall for Phil version, you have no hope in Bangkok / Pattaya, LOL.
Rickys Wild
09-09-17, 11:59
The Filipino lady boys are so obvious that it be hard not to know. Its not like in Thailand where some of them do look totally female. Filipina ladyboys totally look like a man in dress.I have seen ladyboys in the daytime that passed for female, add Red Horse and you will never know. Be careful and safe.
FreebieFan
09-09-17, 15:03
Fact is this, you either need to come here with a lot of money to blow if you want the highest quality of women, or you need to spend a significant amount of time living here to find a stunner to be your woman. Frustratingly as well, having youth on my side with good looks makes normal Filipino girls become even more shy than they usually are, blushing, can't hold my gaze, calling me 'guapo' without the exchange of numbers. I really wouldn't mind living out here to perfect my game and pick up some stunners, but when you're here for 3 weeks or so, you're stuck with these outrageous 3900 bar fines and a 3 k tip! Everyone needs to start low balling and flat out refusing to pay these prices. You're only going to drive them up to be in line with western prices, in which case you may as well stay at home.
You can get some seriously good looking Filipino girls. But on average they are far from attractive.
Unfortunately I feel as though this train can no longer be stopped, so unless I have some serious cash, or serious time to invest in the Philippines I won't be back for a while.
.I moved here a few months ago having been here many times.
In the past 40 days I've been with about (I stopped counting) 25-30 ladies. . some were afternoon delights, some were overnights and some were more than one night. I had a run once of 7 different ladies in my bed on 7 consecutive nights. I've offered to pay several times and been refused as many of these ladies have their own job and some level of independence. Mine arent dogs but they arent beauty queens, 10's either but all are in the 21 to 32 age range and all are happy normal and nice.
Some have said " if you give me money " then we arent friends any more and the relationship is different. So there most certainly are girls who most certainly are free. OK dinner, drinks and taxis might be accepted, but those costs of low. But amazingly there truly are lots of free. But you won't find it I think if you don't live here. Are state in your profile that you live here. And if you do state that you will quickly be tested.
The most common questions I get are " why are you here " and " why are you single " and " where's your GF ". And most girls on entering my apartment suddenly go all sheepish as if expecting an angry GF to come flying out the closet!
That is exactly what the pinay is famous for. It doesn't happen with every girl you meet. In your case you met a few girls over a few days, worked your way through the duds and dudes. And then struck pinay gold.
That's a valuable lesson in itself. It takes a little research and a few mishits to get to the good ones.
For the ladyboy question, a real girl answer is always something like "lols No" where as a LB will answer, "Why?" "Why do you judge people?
If it helps ease your pain, your temporary GF has probably moved on.
BD.In addition to the "close your eyes and listen to their voice" trick I did a little research when I got concerned that my LB detector was not yet out of the packaging much less functioning. Things like Adam's apples (who knew right? I'm an idiot) and double jointedness came up as tell tales of LBness. There's some good posts here and elsewhere within an easy search of the internet, "how can you tell if someone is a ladyboy" comes to mind as a search term. But when contacting via social media most seem up front about it and I try not to get judgmental with my approach, just tell them it's a matter of taste (no pun intended) and I prefer bona fide women to fide my bona to. (pun intended). I guess with a little more practice I could improve on my LB detection skills but I don't have a significant population to deal with at home where the trans population here is a bit more politically focused and less directed at passing for feminine. So I just ask up front and directly, I haven't annoyed anyone so much they wouldn't meet later or so much that they tracked me down to give me a piece of their mind.
BD. Got to tell you, I am still chatting her over WeChat, she is a great gal and I plan to see her again when I return to the Phils. But if she has moved on and won't see me again there are others I keep in contact with. I think Westie is the one who has such great success with expanding the contact lists on social media and that's definitely part of my strategy now. One masseuse I saw on my first trip was relocating to Japan during my second and she gave me a referral to her friend to take care of me while she was gone. No sex with the first one on the first trip but the second girl, I started chatting with her a few weeks before arrival and after 2-3 texts she is asking why I didn't have sex with girl number 1. So when I arrive she comes over (on time pretty much, so solid gold for a pinay) and I didn't even really get a massage, just straight into bed and she took care of me for sure. No discussion of fees but no complaints when I put 2 K into her purse for the taxi home. Through girl number 2 I also made additional WeChat adds which looked very promising but I had no time to pursue. Just asked her if her friends were also interested to meet on the same basis and she says sure. Through all of this, girl 1 is still texting me occasionally and is now trying to sell me her nude selfies via WeChat. LOL no need for that with the PG on this forum hehe.
Final observation, mishits were few and far between, aside from my naivete about the LB, I still had good company and a decent meal that evening just didn't get laid, the Philippines is a target rich environment, maybe my standards aren't so high (mid 50's grey and overweight got to be real) but all of these girls were decent, slim, smooth skin with exceptional tightness where it counted. On top of that the massages were quite well executed as massages, and would have been very satisfactory even without the careful, sensitive, endings that were responsive to instructions in English. Quite a treat for a typical AMP customer from the states.
Dreaming about my next trip to the Phils already.
WestCoast1
09-09-17, 22:43
You have unintentionally created irony. The 'he' that you are referring to here is me. I had asked a question back in 2013. At that time your investigation of me revealed I had made several (comprehensive and informative posts) on Dumaguete (and Cebu which you overlooked). Pomp, I think you're correct. And I owe you an apology. Reading that previous post now, I'm not sure how I made the mistake. Somehow, from my recollection, I meant to call out someone else, a new guy who had only a few posts with questions. Obviously that is not you. You have many posts and they are informative. Its my mistake. Scratching my head.
Mr Enternational
09-10-17, 01:56
I have seen ladyboys in the daytime that passed for female, add Red Horse and you will never know. Be careful and safe.You must have missed the giant manly looking feet.
Do you mind me asking where you live, FF, and how you like it (besides the girls which are great). I am planning a retirement there in less than five years.
Thanks.
I moved here a few months ago having been here many times.
Streetlooker
09-10-17, 03:19
I have seen ladyboys in the daytime that passed for female, add Red Horse and you will never know. Be careful and safe.I like to see one that looks anywhere close to a female. I have yet to in the Philippines. Every ladyboy I seen in the Philippines is butt ass ugly and 100% Obvious. Even 15 red horses couldn't change their looks. IN Thailand that's a different story I have seen some very very feminine ladyboys in Thailand however I still was not fooled more then a few seconds.
LiveLaughFuck
09-10-17, 03:32
The only place a struggle to tell is online. In fact, if I spot someone who looks exceptionally good looking, light skin, pretty face, good make up and dressed nicely, the ones that make me say WOW. It's almost certainly a lady boy. Ironic I know. This same lady boy that looks hot in a picture looks like a man in person 100% of the time. The reason being is the lady boys are at an automatic disadvantage, therefore spend a lot of money on improving their appearance and are masters of online photo manipulation I. E. With lighting and angles as well as photo shop. Lady boys here are extremely easy to spot in person from the facial structure, the exaggerated feminine mannerisms, and yes how they speak. They are also the most persistent and aggressive when told no to the point I've actually stopped and explained in detail how continuously badgering someone after the point they said no isn't going to change someone's mind, before asking how it benefits them to keep doing so? To which I usually get an awkward smile as they sulk off after being taken down a peg!
Also, from what I've found out, they have this very dirty tactic to take over wechat. One of my short times explained how she is now on her (6th! Wechat account as all her others keep being blocked. The lady boys want wechat to be woman free. So you can only pick a lady boy. So what they do is team up and block a female account, if she gets blocked by 5 people they deactivate your account. I don't believe she has any reason to lie and it seemed quite specific for her to make it up.
I would suggest this information is passed on and everyone immediately block any ladyboys you find on wechat. Some women are offended when you ask, they seem to believe it's more to do with their appearance rather than the fact it's harder for a westerner to tell the difference, just as a Filipino would struggle to tell the difference in your country. Explain this, I even go as far as to say I respect the LGBT community but I am only attracted to women, this helps avoid offense should you indeed be talking to a lady boy.
Also the old saying 'if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is' applies as always. Agreed short time 1000 p only to be countered with 500 p each for two women. Two lady boys turned up, even managed to get in (I think I was still assessing them at that point) before leaving in a fit of giggles when I said I'd call security.
Mr Enternational
09-10-17, 04:04
You must have missed the giant manly looking feet.From Date In Asia: This is someone that admits to being a LB in their profile. If you think hands like that belong to a woman then you need your eyes examined.
Member #4698
09-10-17, 04:06
I like to see one that looks anywhere close to a female. I have yet to in the Philippines. Every ladyboy I seen in the Philippines is butt ass ugly and 100% Obvious. Even 15 red horses couldn't change their looks. IN Thailand that's a different story I have seen some very very feminine ladyboys in Thailand however I still was not fooled more then a few seconds.While I agree with you that at least 95% of all Thai Ladyboys are obvious ladyboys and probably 99.5% of all Filipino Ladyboys are obvious ladyboys, it's that 0. 005% to 0. 01% that can totally fool you, or me, or anyone else contrary to your strong opinion. The good news is that a real passer would not be streetwalking or hustling in a mixed bar. She has sponsers and hangs out in expensive clubs, so the odds of you or me being led astray LOL, is very remote.
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Wicked Roger
09-10-17, 19:06
From Date In Asia: This is someone that admits to being a LB in their profile. If you think hands like that belong to a woman then you need your eyes examined.There are a few that hang around Ayala Terraces in Cebu. They go into Bos Coffee, make lots of noise, at times compare their fake boobs and blow kisses at men. Young ones preferably. Are they obviously LBs? Some for sure and others are in the "am not sure" bracket but I have seen them fool a few old codgers in my time. These guys can't believe their luck until he finds a sausage he was not expecting LOL.
But have seen some young Americans with them holding hands in Bos and I know a good friend of the group (definitely a cutie as I have shagged her) who said some of the young guys have no idea and believe his 'girl' just likes in the backdoor all the time. Some mongers are very gullible LOL.
But that said a good mate from Thailand who swear he can spot an LB at 50 metres was fooled in Cebu not once but twice on the same day. That was a fun afternoon seeing him come back tail between his legs after telling me he was great at LB detection LOL.
Screaming Beaver
09-13-17, 12:35
Great report and observations from a young monger's point of view. The toothless hags in LA Caf are not worth 500 pesos. They maybe desperate but they hold out for 2,000 to 3,000 pesos and many fellas give it to them. Each day more newbies show up willing to pay higher prices to shoot their load. So, expect the trend of lower quality for higher prices to continue. Foreigners are decreasing in value because the president of the Philippines has been telling his people that most Western visitors are trash.
Now, things have changed. Even stunningly handsome young fellas with long thick cocks now have to pay higher rates for stunners. The runaway train cannot stop. As for what happened to AC, Koreans with huge amounts of cash are taking over the bar business is what happened.Yo CM, your mailbox is full.
Yo CM, your mailbox is full.So, say I. Yo CM (Chocha Monger).
Much better reading sharp, objective posts like Chocha Monger, than hype, which is misleading for the uninitiated / newbie.
"Just say it", don't string it out with fluff. Yo!
Chocha Monger
09-16-17, 22:28
An enterprising clubfooted German monger has managed to fund his mongering trips all over Southeast Asia by displaying his enormous clubfoot on sidewalks and begging for cash. His little scheme paid for mongering in the Philippines, Thailand, Cambodia, Hong Kong, and Indonesia.
However, his luck ran out in Thailand where he was deported and blacklisted after he was caught using a 50,000 THB charitable donation intended to fund his return to Germany to buy pussy from Pattaya bar girls instead. The Begging Monger showed his dedication to the pursuit of pussy earlier this week when he unsuccessfully attempted to board a Thai Airways flight from Zurich to Laos via Bangkok.
http://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2017/09/14/most-hated-german-in-thailand-denied-boarding-a-thai-flight-to-laos/
He is expected to return to the Philippines soon as his mongering options are now limited after deportation from Thailand, Cambodia, and Indonesia. So, beware of a begging blonde-haired clubfooted monger in his early 30's. His favorite hunting grounds for pussy and charitable souls are Angeles City and Manila.
http://philippineslifestyle.com/blog/2017/03/16/benjamin-holst-begging-conman/
Unfortunately, this clubfooted monger is not alone in using creative ways to finance his lust for flesh. Many expat and backpacker mongers do their best to con others into donating cash that is quickly expended as a load in a bar girl's pussy.
As the caption says, hard to believe.
You can get some seriously good looking Filipino girls. But on average they are far from attractive. It's not like Brazil for example where 1 in 3 are jaw dropping.I feel you. I took couple of filipinas to my hotel from Escape in HKG last February. One of them was easily a 9 and a half by my standards. I paid about 3000 HKD (almost 20 000 pesos) for a short time threesome session. That is way more than pulling two freelancers from a club in Philippines but even in retrospect it was well worth it.
I kept looking for a girl with comparable looks in AC during my short stay there but could not find one in the bars or clubs. During my short visit earlier this year I still got blown away by the GFE provided and the enthusiasm in the sack that more than made up for the lack in looks. To be honest, all the establishments I visited in AC had at least one girl I would take out. My eyes just skip over the ones that fail to meet my standards anyway. It is like an age-related vision problem: I only see the young girls.
OlderAndWiser
09-30-17, 06:49
I'm sorry to throw a little cold water on the discussions here but I think its important that members are fully aware of some of the dangers one faces in the Philippines.
You will not hear much about them as Philippines Jails are largely black holes with limited communication possibilities but there are currently around 1000 foreigners in Philippines jails. Of those maybe half are westerners and half of those are on sex related charges.
Conditions in these jails are as you might imagine horrendous. The main issue is insane levels of overcrowding (60-200 inmates per cell sharing 1 or 2 primitive CRs). The vast majority of foreigners are held in city jails on remand during the trial process. Relatively few are ever actually convicted, but the bad news is that the trials typically take 5 to 10 years. Yes you read that right. What that means is that guys can be locked away for 5-10 years on the most flimsy evidence (just "probably cause") provided the police can pin a non bailable case on him.
The primary non bailable cases are [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), murder and anything to with drugs in excess of possession of about 5 g.
Of these the most dangerous for foreigners is [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) as the courts are allowed to ignore distances, or anything to do with minors (under 18) where the DSWD can take the girl into custody and not allow her to desist.
Please note that both [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) and [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) are defined incredibly widely in the Phils so that they bare little or no resemblance to what you might think they are. [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908) can be as innocent"as taking a girl you thought was 18 to the beach when it emerges that she's-really 17. I'm afraid I'm not joking.
Having anything to do with under 18's is incredibly dangerous, and it is no excuse that you may have thought she was 18 or that she swore blind that she was 19 etc etc. If you have any doubt please insist that the girl brings valid ID with a date or birth (if necessary a NSO birth cert). Even being in a hotel room with an [CodeWord903] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903) girl is illegal if you are more than 10 years her senior, even if she is doing nothing more than watching TV and eating a bag of cheesy whatsits.
If you plan to spend any significant time in the Phils please get the name and number of a decent Atty who you can call in case of emergency. If you do get arrested, you may have a very limited time period in order to fix things with the PNP / NBI before the case is filed with the city prosecutor at whiich point the matter becomes 10 times more difficult / expensive to resolve.
A final point. Be incredibly careful with photos. Any uploading of naked or erotic photos is directly against Phils cyber crime law and opens you up to lots of potential trouble.
Hope these tips keeps someone out of jail.
Wicked Roger
09-30-17, 17:30
I'm sorry to throw a little cold water on the discussions here but I think its important that members are fully aware of some of the dangers one faces in the Philippinesl.O&W.
Your last and only other FR was deleted by admin for discouraging memeber to write.
What you state is well documented in the news, on this board and other boards. In fact so much on this board that a RTFF would find countless comments. So nothing is new in what you post Did you post somethimg similar for India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South America etc as what you say here could be said for those palce and other countries in Asia so why post here only?
Jails are tough even in the more developed nations and rules can be similar so please can you post similar for those countries and regions I noted so those who post there are also aware of the dangers.
I doubt if you have ever visited a jail based on your writing but I would encourage you to visit them in the Philippines. That is if you ever come here and then comment from personal perspective (same for those countries I noted earlier).
However is is better to have this discourse via the PM as so I would welcome your PM and we can continue it there as your topic has been reported on many times ad nauseum so PM when you want to continue this.
Look forward to the PM.
BrainDrain
10-01-17, 03:42
If you plan to spend any significant time in the Phils please get the name and number of a decent AttyFirst problem right there.
First problem right there.Correct, the attorney is more likely to be your enemy, gouging as much as he can.
If attorney, get one reco'd by your Embassy / Consulate in Manila.
OlderAndWiser
10-01-17, 13:31
Correct, the attorney is more likely to be your enemy, gouging as much as he can.
If attorney, get one reco'd by your Embassy / Consulate in Manila.Sxxxx is absolutely correct that Defense Attys in the Phils are generally of poor quality and often interested to gouge you as much as they can.
The lists of Attys provided by the embassies (and I have seen most of the lists) are not tremendously helpful. They are essentially a list of the largest, most prestigious (and most expensive).
General law practices in the big cities. If you have a real estate deal etc they could be the right ones but for the majority of criminal cases people may find themselves in in an emergency they are likely to be useless.
The problem is that only general office numbers are given so you have to struggle through the bureaucracy to try to speak to a criminal law specialist. This is difficult enough were you at home in your apartment.
But you are likely to be in a basement cell of a police jail with poor reception, possibly with a bunch of other prisoners. Many of the big firms are very choosy which cases they take on either not wishing to take on foreigners with sex related cases.
Or in the case of the big name lawyers only taking on cases referred to them by the well connected.
The second issue is what constitutes a "good lawyer" . The ones on the embassy lists will almost always be reputable firms who pride themselves on "playing by the rules". Depending on your situation this may be in their interest (a nice long trial that they will eventually win having racked up 100 ks of pesos in fees,) but not in your interest if you are rotting in jail during this process. Less well regarded lawyers have a tendency to focus on more short cut type solutions which may be more in your interest if it can be achieved.
There is no easy solution to this. I am very familiar with the lawyers in Cebu so if anyone is concerned I can provide a couple of emergency numbers for Cebu but I'm not familiar with those in Manila I'm afraid.
OlderAndWiser
10-01-17, 14:19
Sxxxx is sadly correct that Attys in Phils in general and in particular in the criminal field are focused primarily on their own profit agenda rather than their client's interest.
The Embassies (and I have seen the lists provided by 4 or 5 of them) focus exclusively on the most reputable, high end generalist firms. These maybe a good choice if you wish to negotiate a real estate deal but sadly are next to useless if you wind up in jail and in need of emergency assistance.
The problems are.
1 The Embassies give the Head Office General numbers rather than specific names of decent criminal lawyers which is what you really need.
2 Many of these firms don't want to be associated with sex related cases for foreigners.
3 Most of the big name lawyers are fully booked and will only consider business from well connected referrals.
4 You will not be trying to sort this out form the comfort of your condo, but more likely in a police cell with limited cell signal, other noisy occupants, eavesdroppers etc.
More fundamentally the "high quality" lawyers typically pride themselves on winning cases by "playing by the rules" . The problem is that the Phils legal system is so insanely slow that this could result in a long and expensive time in jail whilst due process is carried out. Depending on your situation and the charges you face a less well renowned lawyer relying on "short cut"methods may be able to get you out quicker.
There is no easy solution I'm afraid. I'm very familiar with the legal scene in Cebu so if anyone wants a couple of emergency numbers for Cebu I can help, my knowledge of Manila is second hand but I can also suggest a couple of possibilities there.
Snip.... I think its important that members are fully aware of some of the dangers one faces in the Philippines.
Hope these tips keeps someone out of jail.Useful tips there OlderAnd Wiser that deserve to be aired, and re-aired from time to time, no matter how long you have been in the Philippines.
A recent incarceration of a Scotsman without charge is a good example supporting the points you make OlderAndWiser. Here we have a man who has been in a relationship with a Filipina for 6 years and based on her words he has been detained without any formal charge. His phone, laptop, immigration documents, banking records and even his car have been confiscated.
For more information see: http://philippineslifestyle.com/scot-imprisoned-bureau-immigration/.
What you state is well documented in the news, on this board and other boards. In fact so much on this board that a RTFF would find countless comments. So nothing is new in what you post
Snip .....
I doubt if you have ever visited a jail based on your writing but I would encourage you to visit them in the Philippines. That is if you ever come here and then comment from personal perspective. You are pretty vigorous there Wicked Roger. No matter how new the member is I welcome postings on a variety of subjects that may appear as old news to some of us. I don't think it necessary to visit a jail (I have) to recognise how horrendous (OlderandWiser's word) that this experience would be like. We of the Western world would at least expect some legal rights of defence in our own home country justice systems. Not here in the Philippines.
Nightrider1
10-02-17, 10:20
Sxxxx is sadly correct that Attys in Phils in general and in particular in the criminal field are focused primarily on their own profit agenda rather than their client's interest.
The Embassies (and I have seen the lists provided by 4 or 5 of them) focus exclusively on the most reputable, high end generalist firms. These maybe a good choice if you wish to negotiate a real estate deal but sadly are next to useless if you wind up in jail and in need of emergency assistance.
The problems are.
1 The Embassies give the Head Office General numbers rather than specific names of decent criminal lawyers which is what you really need.
2 Many of these firms don't want to be associated with sex related cases for foreigners.
3 Most of the big name lawyers are fully booked and will only consider business from well connected referrals.
4 You will not be trying to sort this out form the comfort of your condo, but more likely in a police cell with limited cell signal, other noisy occupants, eavesdroppers etc.
More fundamentally the "high quality" lawyers typically pride themselves on winning cases by "playing by the rules" . The problem is that the Phils legal system is so insanely slow that this could result in a long and expensive time in jail whilst due process is carried out. Depending on your situation and the charges you face a less well renowned lawyer relying on "short cut"methods may be able to get you out quicker.
There is no easy solution I'm afraid. I'm very familiar with the legal scene in Cebu so if anyone wants a couple of emergency numbers for Cebu I can help, my knowledge of Manila is second hand but I can also suggest a couple of possibilities there.Tried to send this private mssg to OlderAndWiser, but it says he cannot receiev private mssgs.
Hello. I have been a 39 time visitor to Phil starting in 2004. I come about 3 times a year and stay 3 to 6 weeks each trip. I always land in Cebu (hate manila) and use Cebu as my base but like CDO, bohol, Davao and other areas for visits with chatmates I meet online. Have never had any legal problems (knock on wood) so far but I am aware that getting involved with these filipinas can lead to that no matter how careful a screening process I have. So I would appreciate the name and number of some competent lawyers that you know in Cebu. I am also thinking of possibly buying a condo there in a few years and I would need a good lawyer for that process as well.
Thanks in advance.
OlderAndWiser
10-02-17, 14:34
Tried to send this private mssg to OlderAndWiser, but it says he cannot receiev private mssgs.
Hello. I have been a 39 time visitor to Phil starting in 2004. I come about 3 times a year and stay 3 to 6 weeks each trip. I always land in Cebu (hate manila) and use Cebu as my base but like CDO, bohol, Davao and other areas for visits with chatmates I meet online. Have never had any legal problems (knock on wood) so far but I am aware that getting involved with these filipinas can lead to that no matter how careful a screening process I have. So I would appreciate the name and number of some competent lawyers that you know in Cebu. I am also thinking of possibly buying a condo there in a few years and I would need a good lawyer for that process as well.
Thanks in advance.I'll try to think of a solution, I don't especially want to become paid member just for the privilege of passing mostly ungrateful dudes sound advice. Your attitude is sensible. Its a bit like skiing you can go on 20 ski trips never have any problems then one day get a bit overconfident, go off -piste then wham you are doing a Michael Schumacker. The situation in jails in the Phils has become insane. There is an American guy in jail in Cebu who has been waiting his arraignment for over 3 months (now scheduled for tomorrow) and there is a rumor that his next hearing. The pretrial before the trial even begins will be scheduled for March.
I hate to ask this question after all these reports of jail. Well anyway what is the situation concerning weed in country. I know it is against the law. Was wondering if it was to be had without to much hassle?
Roll Aides
10-03-17, 09:05
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Wicked Roger
10-03-17, 17:37
There is an American guy in jail in Cebu who has been waiting his arraignment for over 3 months (now scheduled for tomorrow) and there is a rumor that his next hearing. The pretrial before the trial even begins will be scheduled for March.So what is new? Welcome to the Philippines. A UK guy got bail recently after spending over a year waiting for his bail hearing so 3 months? He should count himself lucky but then maybe the judge, prosecutor or witness may not turn up on the day (that happens a lot) and so he will back in jail for another few months until the next date and hope they turn up then as if not the cycle continues.
Another inmate was asked to plead guilty to a crime he said he did not commit. If he pleased guilty he got 3 years. But if he still maintained his innocence the judge he would have to send him back (could not afford bail) and as he had been in jail waiting for a proper hearing for 6 years the judge asked to pleased guilty. He did and freed the same day.
Don't tell your US friend that as he may get concerned.
Dude. Extra judicial killings. Are you a moron? Go to Sihanoukville or something like that.
The only rational explanation for this question is that you are actually stoned while asking it. No offense against your chosen lifestyle, but no, do not come here if you prefer to continue. Breathing.I heard that long term use of MJ clouds your mind! But there is no scientifical evidence of that. LOL.
I hate to ask this question after all these reports of jail. Well anyway what is the situation concerning weed in country. I know it is against the law. Was wondering if it was to be had without to much hassle?I am sure you can get some without much hassle. Ask around for the Dutere Jr. Brand.
I am planning for my Christmas vacation trip and would like to know if Angeles city / Manila / Cebu would be appropriate for a mongering trip. Philippines being a predominantly catholic country, would WG desert AC during Christmas break. Any other things to note?. Other suggestions for destinations are welcome.
I am sure you can get some without much hassle. Ask around for the Dutere Jr. Brand.Thanks for the info. Sure nice to see a sensible response instead of the wise guy one I first got.
I think I'll stick to Latin America as I know the ropes there very well.
BrainDrain
10-05-17, 02:58
Thanks for the info. Sure nice to see a sensible response instead of the wise guy one I first got.
I think I'll stick to Latin America as I know the ropes there very well.I've heard that the problem with the Duterte JR brand is that one day the good reliable dealers are available and next day they are shot through.
BrainDrain
10-05-17, 03:04
I am planning for my Christmas vacation trip and would like to know if Angeles city / Manila / Cebu would be appropriate for a mongering trip. Philippines being a predominantly catholic country, would WG desert AC during Christmas break. Any other things to note?. Other suggestions for destinations are welcome.80% of the WG are better looking than in my home country. So the ones that might go home to their province might be the unsuccessful lower ones so that leaves me 100% of better girls or if it's the top 50% that go home to provinces then 60% of the remaining talent will still be better than my home country.
Manila / AC & Cebu would be good to visit over your vacation.
Subic might be an option, it will be crowded with filipino families but the bars will be better than your home country.
I've said earlier that regardless of whatever WG status is, Philippines will be more fun than your own country. Apart from WG, the beer is cheaper, cigarettes are cheaper, hotels are cheaper, massages are cheaper and more plentiful. It's almost like the girls are a bonus. .
BD.
I've heard that the problem with the Duterte JR brand is that one day the good reliable dealers are available and next day they are shot through.True some of the dealers are transitioned and transferred out under Dutere, Sr policies.
Soapy Smith
10-05-17, 08:18
I am sure you can get some without much hassle. Ask around for the Dutere Jr. Brand.
I've heard that the problem with the Duterte JR brand is that one day the good reliable dealers are available and next day they are shot through.
True some of the dealers are transitioned and transferred out under Dutere, Sr policies.How do you guys know where all this shit is?
Do you think any of them transferred out to Latin America, where it's reportedly easier to get what you want? Or maybe some of them remains still in the Philippines?
80% of the WG are better looking than in my home country. So the ones that might go home to their province might be the unsuccessful lower ones so that leaves me 100% of better girls or if it's the top 50% that go home to provinces then 60% of the remaining talent will still be better than my home country.I would think that the unsuccessful lower ones are the ones that stay behind because they don't have enough money to go home to their province.
80% of the WG are better looking than in my home country .....BD.Well, that is your opinion, LOL. There are a lot more prettier girls in your home country Australia, than the Philippines. Aust is also my country, so I know.
Its just that you can not secure young attractive women in Aust cause your too old, or not successful, read "money" endowed, relative to local ladies, Aust in this case, LOL.
Aust women have their own money = they are not inclined to sell pussy. Exceptions do prevail of course.
Phil girls do not have money (or education, or work prospects)= they are inclined to sell pussy.
The exhange rate in Phils makes you a Pesos millionaire, and what girl without prospects (no education, dysfunctional economy) , would not go with a millionaire?
So long as you understand why you are so popular in Phils, all is well. But re females, decent height, boobs, education / conversation level, and sex, is elsewhere. Only problem is, Western girls have their own money, and local culture requires them to fraternise with age compatible males. Exception? An old guy worth a heap (dollars, not pesos) , LOL.
We can not get it in our home country, so we go to a country like Phils, where we can get it, LOL. Long live the Philippines!
Wicked Roger
10-05-17, 16:11
80% of the WG are better looking than in my home country.
Manila / AC & Cebu would be good to visit over your vacation.
Apart from WG, the beer is cheaper, cigarettes are cheaper, hotels are cheaper, massages are cheaper and more plentiful. It's almost like the girls are a bonus. .
BD.I would agree 100% with your statement about the girls in your home country so maybe take one with you when you go back LOL but. Where would she stay and what would the other half think of you coming home drained every night LOL.
Cebu yes Manila and AC maybe but I can be biased there.
True things are cheaper but it can be a tad chaotic at times and some people prefer a quieter life. The thing with cheap booze etc is that is encourage some low life expats also that give the others a bad name etc. When I was in AC saw a few sitting around with a bottle, singlet shorts etc looking unkempt, dirty etc (same other places I know) and not a pretty sight.
Of course I compare them to myself BD and. Well no comparison LOL.
BrainDrain
10-05-17, 20:35
How do you guys know where all this shit is?
IMO this thread of looking for drugs in Philippines was a sad joke from the first post of Kelso1. It is widely reported about the tough stand on drugs and dealers in Philippines. For a foreigner to be involved in the business including using and sourcing is so risky that it doesn't deserve a serious response.
Here is further proof of 32 drug dealers who are now "shot through" on Aug 15th.
Thirty two suspected drug dealers were killed in police shootouts in the Philippines on Tuesday night, during the bloodiest 24 hours so far of a state war on drugs that has killed over 7,000 people in the last year.
The police conducted 49 buy-bust operations, using undercover officers to attempt to buy drugs from suspected dealers, and 14 raids, in the province of Bucalan, just north of the capital, Manila, said police superintendent Romeo Caramat.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/16/drugs-tests-school-philippines-could-put-students-risk-amid/
Let's get back to the enjoyment of filipina whom are so nice that drugs are not needed for their enjoyment.
BD.
So long as you understand why you are so popular in Phils, all is well. Well said Sxxxx.
Streetlooker
10-06-17, 03:11
I would agree 100% with your statement about the girls in your home country so maybe take one with you when you go back LOL but. Where would she stay and what would the other half think of you coming home drained every night LOL.
Cebu yes Manila and AC maybe but I can be biased there.
True things are cheaper but it can be a tad chaotic at times and some people prefer a quieter life. The thing with cheap booze etc is that is encourage some low life expats also that give the others a bad name etc. When I was in AC saw a few sitting around with a bottle, singlet shorts etc looking unkempt, dirty etc (same other places I know) and not a pretty sight.
Of course I compare them to myself BD and. Well no comparison LOL.WR is very correct about the appearance of a lot of foreigners running around AC they are very unkempt and look almost homeless some of them. Singlet shorts, a wife beater, and wore out flip flops nursing a beer all day because they don't have any money. A good example of this can be found at Vanallia bar (DMZ) 9 am to 3 pm for the 2 for one special they run. Same few dozen of fellas there segregated by a pole with the blacks on one side and the white on the other. Seems like to me they wear the same cloths everyday a really depressing sight. Need a ego boost go see these guys.
Streetlooker
10-06-17, 03:16
There is not a better pussy lubricator then Cash.
...................Seems like to me they wear the same cloths everyday a really depressing sight. Need a ego boost go see these guys.Priceless. Must admit I am guilty of that.
I am a regular 'Joe' back in home country, but in the AC alleys and by-ways, I am a 'dandy' , sharply dressed, and wealthy beyond anyones dreams (Pesos). Angeles for an ego boost, agree, agree!
In fact I will be there this Tuesday 10th October for yet another an ego boost!.
Soapy Smith
10-06-17, 07:23
IMO this thread of looking for drugs in Philippines was a sad joke from the first post of Kelso1. But we can hardly fault you and Dg for stringling the joke along. I understood it was a joke, but I thought it was in good taste. What else are you to say when he thanked Dg for reference to the Duterte Jr. Brand, thinking it was straight-forward information? In the end, he will stay in Latin America and out of the line of fire.
Wicked Roger
10-06-17, 20:44
But we can hardly fault you and Dg for stringling the joke along. I understood it was a joke, but I thought it was in good taste. What else are you to say when he thanked Dg for reference to the Duterte Jr. Brand, thinking it was straight-forward information? In the end, he will stay in Latin America and out of the line of fire.I was enjoying the FRs also SS and when he thanked them for the information then that was proof for me that he was clearly smoking something 24/7 LOL.
Had something similar on the UAE board with the managers who asked 'where are the best clubs / girls / cheapest pussy / wild Arabs' etc.
Was a good chuckle.
Gutenberg1
10-07-17, 16:34
I was planning on visiting the Philippines next year and was wondering if anybody can recomend a good city to stay.
My goal is of course mongering and diving. I'm really looking for a good Diving spot I hope somebody in this forum knows some good spots.
BaddHabbit
10-09-17, 02:00
Hey all,
I have a question.
I'm thinking about coming to the Philippines for a longer stay soon, and leaning towards the idea of AirBnB (which I use quite a bit in regular business travel. I like the privacy, the sense of 'ownership' of the space, and most of all, the extra space to be able to work effectively from your room. I was just starting to type that it gets rid of the walk of shame, but actually many of these places are in condo buildings with security and receptions etc, so. Not so much. See'est la vie. Also, like the idea of being able to cook (read as: have a cute semi-naked woman cook for me).
Anyway, the one possible downside is cleanup. Not worried about cleaning up the place itself, but more thinking about sheets. Do many of you recommend AirBnB or the equivalent? How do you handle sheets? I guess it's just lots of laundry (depending on the girl! Need to make sure the place I get has washer / dryer? Just invest in a spare set on arrival (can't be expensive there I'm sure)?
Thanks,
BH.
CallSign Papa
10-09-17, 02:09
Anyway, the one possible downside is cleanup. Not worried about cleaning up the place itself, but more thinking about sheets. Do many of you recommend AirBnB or the equivalent? How do you handle sheets? I guess it's just lots of laundry (depending on the girl! Need to make sure the place I get has washer / dryer? Just invest in a spare set on arrival (can't be expensive there I'm sure)?
Generally you can ask the condo owner to provide both additional towels and bedding / sheets. On airbnb the general cost per maid's visit is 1000 php which seems a bit much, so I went onto Craigslist and found a girl who does 2 hours for 500 php. She usually comes 2-3 times during the week I'm there.
Hi guys, anyone know a good company that can pick up at Manila airport and drive you to Subic Bay? What's the current approx cost and travel time?
I'm heading there in 10 days.
Thanks.
BaddHabbit
10-10-17, 02:54
Generally you can ask the condo owner to provide both additional towels and bedding / sheets. On airbnb the general cost per maid's visit is 1000 php which seems a bit much, so I went onto Craigslist and found a girl who does 2 hours for 500 php. She usually comes 2-3 times during the week I'm there.Thanks. Craigslist cleaner is a great idea.
BrainDrain
10-10-17, 09:20
Hi guys, anyone know a good company that can pick up at Manila airport and drive you to Subic Bay? What's the current approx cost and travel time?
I'm heading there in 10 days.
Thanks.I'm thinking about P5 k. My driver takes me NAIA. Ac for P3 k, AC-Subic return for P3 k, so all up P5 I reckon.
Soapy Smith
10-10-17, 09:31
but actually many of these places are in condo buildings with security and receptions etc, so.
Anyway, the one possible downside is cleanup. Not worried about cleaning up the place itself, but more thinking about sheets. Do many of you recommend AirBnB or the equivalent? How do you handle sheets? I guess it's just lots of laundry (depending on the girl! Need to make sure the place I get has washer / dryer? Just invest in a spare set on arrival (can't be expensive there I'm sure)?Security's intrusion varies a lot from place to place. It pays to do your homework by looking for clues in the AirBnB posting. Sometimes you can tell what the building looks like or even find an address, then go to GoogleEarth and zoom in to get a view of the building from the side. Big buildings with lots of units often have such a flow of people that security can't keep track of everybody. On the other hand, I stayed in a medium-sized building on Pablo Ocampo, across from the baseball stadium, and a couple of the security guards were a major pain in the ass.
The company that owned it had Christ in the name and tried to live up to their name. Five convenience stores on the first floor, and none of them were allowed to sell alcohol. Condoms on clear display by the cash register, but no alcohol. I ponted out the hypocrisy to cashiers and these poor women just smiled and shrugged their shoulders. But a couple of the security guards actively challenged people to show ID if they didn't recognize them. Once they even challenged my squeeze, who at that point had been in and out a dozen times. But this is the exception.
Another time I stayed in a condo that was one of a half dozen at street level, all with private entrances. We had total freedom of movement, although it was a bit off the beaten path for transportation. Also did not have any laundry facilities. Only one of the half dozen condos I have used had laundry, and then only a washing machine with spin dry. Still had to hang clothes to dry out on the balcony. In Manila heat and with wind whipping up along these buildings the clothes dry quite quickly.
If you buy additional sheets, just plan on taking dirty linen and clothes to a nearby laundry. Prices are cheap, turnaround is often less than two days, and they do a good job and fold things neatly. It's hard to justify doing your own laundry.
Here's another soluton: buy a couple cheap bath towels and put them down on the sheets under the woman's fluid dischage orifices. Tell her you're doing it to avoid chafing her ass, since the towels are softer than sheets.
BTW, 500 pesos for two hours work is cheap by your standards, but a lot for average Filipinas. Clerks in department stores and even some waitresses get 300 or less for an entire day.
BaddHabbit
10-10-17, 12:54
Fortunately, I don't need to worry about privacy / hide from a spouse, etc, so security would just be the annoyance factor if in a large building. Good point on laundry. I did have an outside place do a load (not that kind of load) for me in Makati a few weeks back, and it was around 80p a kg or some such incredibly cheap number, and back in 24 hours. Very good value.
Security's intrusion varies a lot from place to place. It pays to do your homework by looking for clues in the AirBnB posting. Sometimes you can tell what the building looks like or even find an address, then go to GoogleEarth and zoom in to get a view of the building from the side. Big buildings with lots of units often have such a flow of people that security can't keep track of everybody. On the other hand, I stayed in a medium-sized building on Pablo Ocampo, across from the baseball stadium, and a couple of the security guards were a major pain in the ass.
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BTW, 500 pesos for two hours work is cheap by your standards, but a lot for average Filipinas. Clerks in department stores and even some waitresses get 300 or less for an entire day.
I was planning on visiting the Philippines next year and was wondering if anybody can recomend a good city to stay.
My goal is of course mongering and diving. I'm really looking for a good Diving spot I hope somebody in this forum knows some good spots.I would say the best diving spots would be El Nido, Coron (wrecks), Puerto Galera, Malapascua. Research those. They are not cities, but just small towns.
I was planning on visiting the Philippines next year and was wondering if anybody can recomend a good city to stay.
My goal is of course mongering and diving. I'm really looking for a good Diving spot I hope somebody in this forum knows some good spots.Sabang = good accomodation, quiet, everything in walking distance, good food, very good diving and cheap compared to Aust, about 7 bars. One bar Quantum. About 20/30 girls in school uniform 3000 perso total. Have I convinced you yet.
If you need more PM me.
CallSign Papa
10-11-17, 00:11
BTW, 500 pesos for two hours work is cheap by your standards, but a lot for average Filipinas. Clerks in department stores and even some waitresses get 300 or less for an entire day.Indeed but paying $10 for a few hours work feels awfully cheap to me.
Can someone tell me who was the financial analyst that try to tie the correlation of a day's minimum wages to the price of a fxck? I have seen this illogical nonsense on other boards too. Price is more tied to supply and demand in that market place and conditions with willing buyers and willing sellers.
Soapy Smith
10-11-17, 05:03
Indeed but paying $10 for a few hours work feels awfully cheap to me.To me, too, but at that pay seems like there should be a very large supply of potential cleaning ladies.
Dg, it is about supply and demand. The supply of young women willing to sell their bodies is a function of other available jobs that pay as well. There are few well-paying jobs under reasonable work conditions available for uneducated Filipinas, thus there is a solid supply of willing women for p4p in countries where daily wages are low. In the immediate marketplace of exchange that takes place face-to-face between mongers and freelancers or bargirls, it is as simple as supply and demand of women and mongers. But the supply of women available as freelancers or bargirls is a function of alternative forms of employment.
For several decades the operating model for NGOs that focus on human traff__g was to go after the bad guys, the traff___ers, and send the rescued women back home, under the ignorant assumption that they really want to go back to living in poverty. In recent years a few of them have wised up and figured out that it's the unavailability of alternative employent that pays a living wage that makes the women susceptible to traff___ing in the first place. They now recognize it's about poverty, and that even if you take some bad guys out of circulation, the market will bring in others to take their place at the blink of an eye--and the women will often return to their prior positions in the trade. A few NGOs have even gone so far as to change their tune about s-x wor-ers, now almost romanticizing the free will of women to work in the trade, referring to them as entrepreneurs, and pushing instead to protect their rights against governments that prosecute them and let mongers skate--and try to create laws to protect them from abuse from their handlers.
Soapy Smith
10-11-17, 05:12
Can someone tell me who was the financial analyst that try to tie the correlation of a day's minimum wages to the price of a fxck? Milton Friedman.
Milton Friedman.Cheap Charlie Milton made up that theory because he didn't want to pay more. He should have known that the law of supply and demand would prevail in an unrestricted market with no correlation to minimum wage.
Security's intrusion varies a lot from place to place. It pays to do your homework by looking for clues in the AirBnB posting. Sometimes you can tell what the building looks like or even find an address, then go to GoogleEarth and zoom in to get a view of the building from the side. Big buildings with lots of units often have such a flow of people that security can't keep track of everybody. On the other hand, I stayed in a medium-sized building on Pablo Ocampo, across from the baseball stadium, and a couple of the security guards were a major pain in the ass.
The company that owned it had Christ in the name and tried to live up to their name. Five convenience stores on the first floor, and none of them were allowed to sell alcohol. Condoms on clear display by the cash register, but no alcohol. I ponted out the hypocrisy to cashiers and these poor women just smiled and shrugged their shoulders. But a couple of the security guards actively challenged people to show ID if they didn't recognize them. Once they even challenged my squeeze, who at that point had been in and out a dozen times. But this is the exception.
With all due respect Sir Soapy, I live in a condo with very "strict" entry rules and I am forever grateful for it.
No matter who comes to visit me (family and friends), I get a call from the lobby on the in-house phone before anyone can come to my unit, even if I have advised them that I am expecting guests, and the same holds for other units. The security is very clever at recognizing regulars and transients. There is CCTV on every floor.
Our condo rules prevent sub-letting of units unless the new tenant goes through a registration process with the condo admin. If they are not duly recognized as a registered or approved guest at entry, they don't get in.
This is gratifying to me. It prevents random people roaming around my secure home passageways.
As you so correctly state, "Security's intrusion varies a lot from place to place". For me, in my condo, I welcome the intrusion, as I am an owner with a considerable investment tied up in keeping the standards in my residence high. As a result, our resale value and reputation for security is high.
If anyone is renting a place for a short-time and is pissed off at the security vetting the comings and goings, spare a thought for those who live there permanently and who pay (in their association monthly dues), for this vetting to be as intrusive as possible.
I have used Air BnB in many places around the world and I like it. I am not anti Air BnB, just as long as it's not in my property.
I would presume that if someone is advertising a property on Air BnB in a condo then the administration have probably approved it and it is allowed. It's not the case in my property.
CallSign Papa
10-12-17, 00:38
I would presume that if someone is advertising a property on Air BnB in a condo then the administration have probably approved it and it is allowed. It's not the case in my property.Correct RK. In the condo buildings I stay in, in Rockwell (Edades / Joya / Manansala) key package is left with Security and I register there when I arrive. From then on out I'm never questioned by Security and neither are the guests who walk in with me, only those who arrive alone. As it should be.
Soapy Smith
10-12-17, 07:21
With all due respect Sir Soapy, I live in a condo with very "strict" entry rules and I am forever grateful for it."Sir Soapy"? You do realize I live in a country where all that knighting stuff went out in the late 18th Century? Trust me, I will never qualify. And I presume you understand that "with all due respect" usually implies anything but.
I appreciate how this situation looks from your perspective, and I don't disagree that tight security is justified. But the one instance I referenced was not justified.
As I pointed out, she had been in and out a dozen times. She had shown her ID numerous times previously, including to this same security guard, and sometimes when I accompanied her. The first time we entered they required us to show IDs, and they entered our names and ID information in a log maintained at the security desk. That made sense to me.
This particular time the guard stopped her when she came in, wouldn't let her in when she showed ID, even after she referred him to the log entries from when we first arrived. I was up in the condo, so she phoned me. She reminded me that the same guy had let her in a time or two earlier when I was with her. She was standing by the security desk as she talked, so he presumably heard what she said.
When I got out of the elevator I suspect I looked angry. I was. When I approached, he raised his hands with his palms turned toward me and said, "no problem, sir, no problem. " I never spoke a word, so he knew he was in the wrong.
A case of mistaken identity? I don't think so, especially since he refused even to check the log where her ID information had already been filed. Since he had seen her with me previously, I have wondered whether this was his revenge toward a petite younger Filipina shacked up with an ugly old yank.
This really was an exception to the rule. I have found condo security guards to be courteous and helpful, and usually by the book. I once arrived at another condo building where the owner had not informed security of my arrival. Fortunately this was at 2 pm rather than midnight. The guard made a number of calls, eventually got hold of the owner, and then found a caretaker somewhere in the building to let me in. I don't have a problem with owners like yourself protecting your property, nor with security guards enforcing strict practices. I do have a problem with abuses of power.
CallSign Papa
10-12-17, 12:40
Correct RK. In the condo buildings I stay in, in Rockwell (Edades / Joya / Manansala) key package is left with Security Checked with my Rockwell contact. They now DON'T allow Airbnb in Rockwell (effective a few weeks ago).
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I do have a problem with abuses of power.Soapy. I think your additional narrative about what went down in your condo does, in fact, point to such an abuse of power, since this security guy in your case was clearly just being an asshole.
Of course, if you had "kicked her to the kerb" after her previous visit, and told her not to come back, then you would have been grateful to security for keeping her out. Alternatively, in this scenario, if security had let her in without calling you, then you would also have been angry with them.
To my mind, the fail-safe system is for security to always call you to check if you are expecting X, Y or Z. I have a masseuse who comes to my condo on call at least once each week. Same woman each time.
Security still always calls me up and asks if I have ordered massage.
I prefer it that way. I never have unexpected knocks on my door. JMHO.
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