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Rubio Tonto
03-16-18, 20:15
You just have comparably more money here which makes it easier to switch from girl to girl and tolerate the BS more.(1) Yes, a significant factor in her interest in me is my money.
(2) I don't care.
Perhaps because their exposure is to Hollywood movies (women chosen for their looks and then heavily made-up) and photo-brushed fashion and glamour magazine covers. Women are no less immune from the stereotype of light-skinned beauty than are men. Interesting that some of us, after experiences in the Third World, end up turning that stereotype on its head.They have bought into the Hollywood Madison Avenue glamour.
Long flowing wavy blonde, brunette or red hair.
Beautiful makeup.
Manicured and pedicured.
Designer clothes.
Long legs with stockings.
CFM shoes.
Striking poses.
Incredible love scenes.
Oh crap! I bought into that too! And I pay and pay and pay.
(1) Yes, a significant factor in her interest in me is my money.
(2) I don't care.I agree and we should be thankful for such an exchange. I wood put my money on that too.
Soapy Smith
03-16-18, 20:27
(1) Yes, a significant factor in her interest in me is my money.
(2) I don't care.Great prescription for happiness, at least in the short-term. Or is it happenis, quoting Hutsori, who borrowed it from a movie?
Mr Enternational
03-19-18, 04:20
This chick that I used to mess with years ago in Papanga sent me a message in facebook. I haven't talked to her in years. She says "Saw your fb. You've got twins. " I said I am a grandfather now. She says, "Makes me confused. You don't have a wife but with children?" I am the one fucking confused. With all the mfs running around there that have kids but are not married, why is it a big shock for me to have a grown kid and not be married?
Then I tell her that I will be in Manila tomorrow and ask her to come. She says we are not together. You just want fun. I don't. I'm old for that. Well b1 ch if you are old you should be trying to have as much fun as you can. What the hell are you holding out for? You are just going to get older ALONE (without any fun).
No. They are not all loose women.
Great prescription for happiness, at least in the short-term. Or is it happenis, quoting Hutsori, who borrowed it from a movie?I'm sure there are hundreds of porn flicks with hapenis in the title. Probably most of them gay.
Soapy Smith
03-22-18, 00:36
I'm sure there are hundreds of porn flicks with hapenis in the title. Probably most of them gay.I had in mind "Hector and the search for happiness. " Not in the title but in lines given to an older French woman character. Central characters are all British. A good flick without a hint of porn. I thought a cultured guy like you had surely seen the movie and borrowed the expression.
Engine Driver
03-24-18, 05:53
Most girls, anywhere in the world, prefer to date and marry someone from their own race or country. The statistics on interracial marriage in most countries would back this up.
When a poor Filipina dates and marries a foreigner, it is usually for financial reasons and the chance to escape from her difficult existence in the Philippines. A residency permit in another country means not just a better life for her, but more importantly, for her family as well. As RK has mentioned on a number of occasions, Filipina girls from good families have absolutely no interest in marrying a foreigner. I would say that most girls you see on PL or DIA are there for financial or immigration reasons, even though they all might not be hookers. They are certainly not from well off families.
When a silly punter decides to date or marry a hooker, he should understand that he will always be way down on her list of priorities. Her priorities, in order of importance are:
1. Her children.
2. Her parents.
3. Her siblings.
4. Her Filipino boyfriend or husband.
5. The foreign boyfriend or husband.
That's how it was, that's how it is and that's how it will always be. So along as you are happy to be Priority number 5, then please continue to send her money each month.
When a silly punter decides to date or marry a hooker, he should understand that he will always be way down on her list of priorities. Her priorities, in order of importance are:
1. Her children.
2. Her parents.
3. Her siblings.
4. Her Filipino boyfriend or husband.
5. The foreign boyfriend or husband.
You forgot her cell phone that will most likely be at no. 5, so before the foreign boyfriend, or even higher on the list.
You forgot her cell phone that will most likely be at no. 5, so before the foreign boyfriend, or even higher on the list.Now that's funny. The truth often is.
Tagalog2016
03-24-18, 22:21
When a silly punter decides to date or marry a hooker, he should understand that he will always be way down on her list of priorities. Her priorities, in order of importance are:
1. Her children.
2. Her parents.
3. Her siblings.
4. Her Filipino boyfriend or husband.
5. The foreign boyfriend or husband.
That's how it was, that's how it is and that's how it will always be. So along as you are happy to be Priority number 5, then please continue to send her money each month.You forgot the money!
She will sell herself, her parents, children, anyone and anything for the sake of money. You don't know Filipinos well, if you consider they will give their last peso to parents or sister. They are selfish, and they think about themselves in the first place.
Today's news discloses that Grab has bought out Uber in Philippines and Uber will no longer continue.
Note the letter sent to all subscribers today.
UBER.
We want to share some news with you. Uber will be combining our operations with Grab to lead you in the next chapter of ridesharing in the Philippines and across Southeast Asia.
What this means for you: we will be transitioning our services over to the Grab platform by April 8, 2018, so all requests after that date should be made from the Grab app.
However, you can still use the Uber app in more than 80 countries around the world.
What you should do:
Download the Grab app.
Create an account.
For more information on this transition, please visit Uber or Grab.
Thank you, and we look forward to continuing to serve your city with Grab.
Regards,
Uber.
Mr Enternational
03-26-18, 11:49
Today's news discloses that Grab has bought out Uber in Philippines and Uber will no longer continue.I thought that was already a done deal. My buddy sent me an article about it last month. The article also said that Uber is talking about doing in Initial Public Offering next year which I will be all over.
BrainDrain
03-26-18, 12:00
Today's news discloses that Grab has bought out Uber in Philippines and Uber will no longer continue.
Note the letter sent to all subscribers today.
UBER.
We want to share some news with you. Uber will be combining our operations with Grab to lead you in the next chapter of ridesharing in the Philippines and across Southeast Asia.
.Uber failed.
To understand the cash economy of SE Asia.
To understand the SE asia market.
To pay off the right people especially in Philippines.
My understanding is that they now have about 25% of the Grab entity.
I was using Grab anyway.
BD.
I thought that was already a done deal.I asked the girl that left this morning if she preferred Uber or Grab and she said that they were the same company.
Shows how up to date some of the financial reporting is when they are out gunned by a 20 year-old PYT. . . LOL.
Mr Enternational
03-26-18, 12:46
Uber failed.
To understand the cash economy of SE Asia.
To understand the SE asia market.
To pay off the right people especially in Philippines.
My understanding is that they now have about 25% of the Grab entity.
I was using Grab anyway.
BD.Cash was not a problem. There has been the option to use cash for a while. Maybe the account has to be set up with a card though.
I asked the girl that left this morning if she preferred Uber or Grab and she said that they were the same company.
Shows how up to date some of the financial reporting is when they are out gunned by a 20 year-old PYT. . . LOL.Taxi drivers have been talking about Uber folding for a while so she would be semi-informed (or half right), as most filipinas are renowned for.
Now it's official, (well, after April 8 that is).
Interestingly enough, on my last 6 rides, all to the same destination, I used Grab twice and regular taxis 4 times. The regular taxi fare was two-thirds the price of the Grab price on each occasion, and the regular taxis were clean, new and the driver courteous too. I will be sticking to using the regular taxis when I can.
I meant to thank you for this reply sooner, but got sidetracked. Pretty much what Engine Driver said.
Such a strategy as described by XMan (such as handing out your card or contact details) may have worked in the past but it is risky these days if you are not extremely careful about who you target.
You need to have some interaction of a positive nature from any girl / woman before you indiscriminately hand out your details just because you like the look of someone. Many women today are much more savvy about harassment and it could backfire on you.
I know 2 examples: one in SM Manila where a girl reported a guy to security who tried this on and the security guy merely told him to stop doing it so it was not a big deal. A more serious example occurred in Ayala Mall in Cebu 4 or 5 years ago where the target girl told her parents about this creepy guy who had chatted her up in the mall and shared his card, and they reported him to the police who set up a sting using his number to teach him a lesson (and no doubt gather some additional remuneration).
In theory it sounds good but you need to use your common sense and good judgement. As has been said many times here before by me and others, a very large percentage of the 50 million filipinas living here (including baristas) would be highly insulted by such a stunt if it came out of the blue.
BrainDrain
03-27-18, 22:57
Cash was not a problem. There has been the option to use cash for a while. Maybe the account has to be set up with a card though.Eventually they took cash, initially it was CCard only.
Also note your screenshot shows peso amount with a $ sign. If you were a filipino, only living and working in RP and Grab app displays peso as Peso and the other Uber app kind of looks 'adapted" to peso naturally the Grab app will be more comfortable to use. Uber simply did not understand what was needed.
BD.
Mr Enternational
03-28-18, 00:29
Also note your screenshot shows peso amount with a $ sign. If you were a filipino, only living and working in RP and Grab app displays peso as Peso and the other Uber app kind of looks 'adapted" to peso naturally the Grab app will be more comfortable to use. Uber simply did not understand what was needed.That was a screenshot from when I was in Colombia the other day when I posted it, so it was Colombian Pesos. I was just trying to show the ability to pay in cash. Here is one from PI that shows P for pesos.
BrainDrain
03-28-18, 08:21
That was a screenshot from when I was in Colombia the other day when I posted it, so it was Colombian Pesos. I was just trying to show the ability to pay in cash. Here is one from PI that shows P for pesos.OK, let's get back to mongering.
I do like sending the girl home in a Grab instead of trike. I don't like that the Grab drivers soon learns that a booking for Mr Brain Drain often is for a single female. I need two Grab accounts. A legitimate account and a mongering account.
Grab has some AI that predicts where I want to go. SO it is no good that when I'm leaving work at 5 pm in the afternoon it is suggesting I go to Perimeter bars.
BD.
OK, let's get back to mongering.
I do like sending the girl home in a Grab instead of trike. I don't like that the Grab drivers soon learns that a booking for Mr Brain Drain often is for a single female. I need two Grab accounts. A legitimate account and a mongering account.
Grab has some AI that predicts where I want to go. SO it is no good that when I'm leaving work at 5 pm in the afternoon it is suggesting I go to Perimeter bars.
BD.Quite a lot of girls are using Grab themselves (in Manila anyway) so why don't you let them order a cab themselves? And then you can give them cash for the fare.
And if they are not already using Grab you can ask them to download the app.
This article does not say where this chap contracted his bug but The Phils certainly could be likely. Be careful out there guys.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/super-gonorrhea-man-first-ever-201826422.html
AsianLover2
03-29-18, 15:31
This article does not say where this chap contracted his bug but The Phils certainly could be likely. Be careful out there guys.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/super-gonorrhea-man-first-ever-201826422.htmlI know there is always a risk with anyone. However, the chances can increase especially with the number of freelancers out there to catch a STD. I know for a fact that a bar girl that failed her hygiene exam was seen the next evening in Hi-Society.
Chocha Monger
03-31-18, 21:54
I know there is always a risk with anyone. However, the chances can increase especially with the number of freelancers out there to catch a STD. I know for a fact that a bar girl that failed her hygiene exam was seen the next evening in Hi-Society.Nothing new here. Bar girls who fail hygiene routinely, work through their "tulo" (clap) by freelancing at discos and online. Bareback mongers who fuck them get a little something extra with the discount rate. There is a good chance that the new "super clap" that recently debuted in the UK, traveled to London aboard the monger's dick on a flight out of Manila. Again, nothing surprising here, as it is expected that in mongering districts like P. Burgos and AC, mongers carrying different strains of the clap from around the globe converge on and fuck the same pussies bareback allowing the bacteria to exchange DNA coded for multi-drug resistance. Think of Pinay pussy as an international clearinghouse for cocks and their passengers.
Nothing new here. Bar girls who fail hygiene routinely, work through their "tulo" (clap) by freelancing at discos and online.I think they never fail the hygiene exam. The bar managers can let them pass the exam by handing over some tea money to the doctor.
So they keep on working in the bar if they have an STD.
Soapy Smith
04-10-18, 05:24
I wanted to see whether anybody else has recently experienced what I encountered when I left Manila for the states via Incheon. Coming through Incheon via Delta and Korean Air to Manila two weeks ago I found the immigration clearance routing a little inefficient, but nothing like the intrusive experience I experienced returning to the states this Monday morning. American-bound transfer passengers were subjected to a grilling by a gaggle of officious young Korean women. They asked numerous questions about the purpose of my visit and what I was carrying with me, but especially wanted to know about all the electronics I was carrying. They wanted to know when I had purchased each, whether I had purchased them myself, or whether anybody had given me any of them to carry. They seemed especially focused on tablets and laptops. Only those headed to the states got this special attention. I asked my questioner tersely about the reason for all the attention. She said they were responding to requests from the USA Transportation Security Agency. The same process was repeated by the same female inquisitors for everybody at the gate check-in a few hours later. Nobody was permitted through without a special security sticker on the back of the passport.
So I am wondering if anybody experienced the same accelerated treatment in Tokyo or other transfer points to the USA, or whether this is just Korean hierarchical bureaucracy run amok. Returning through Dallas-Fort Worth, I noticed that immigration clearance was very perfunctory and all self-reported and automated, but the security checkpoint seemed to be swarming with TSA agents and a very deliberate dog-sniffing team.
I wanted to see whether anybody else has recently experienced what I encountered when I left Manila for the states via Incheon. Coming through Incheon via Delta and Korean Air to Manila two weeks ago I found the immigration clearance routing a little inefficient, but nothing like the intrusive experience I experienced returning to the states this Monday morning. American-bound transfer passengers were subjected to a grilling by a gaggle of officious young Korean women. They asked numerous questions about the purpose of my visit and what I was carrying with me, but especially wanted to know about all the electronics I was carrying. .. The same process was repeated by the same female inquisitors for everybody at the gate check-in a few hours later. Nobody was permitted through without a special security sticker on the back of the passport.
So I am wondering if anybody experienced the same accelerated treatment in Tokyo or other transfer points to the USA, or whether this is just Korean hierarchical bureaucracy run amok. Returning through Dallas-Fort Worth, I noticed that immigration clearance was very perfunctory and all self-reported and automated, but the security checkpoint seemed to be swarming with TSA agents and a very deliberate dog-sniffing team.I had a similar experience at MNL Terminal 2 when flying PAL from MNL to HNL. The security guard, female, says it began in Feb. No question about electronics, cause I did not have any. Her questions were standard security questions about packing the bags, were the bags ever out of sight, etc. So, it happened in Manila / PAL airlines also.
My first post. I'm planning a visit to the Philippines in a couple of months for some are&are. How and when is it best to change US $ into P $. I can convert in states but sure don't want to travel with large amount of cash either US $ or P $s. How about paying in us $, do they take it and do you get P $ as change? Consider exchange fees. Thanks. FT.
I wanted to see whether anybody else has recently experienced what I encountered when I left Manila for the states via Incheon. I returned a few weeks ago on Asiana from Manila to the USA via Inchon. No problems whatsoever. A cursory check of boarding pass for the flight to the USA (that I received in Manila) and my passport. Had lots of electronics in my carry on, and didn't have to open any bag other than take my laptop out of my backpack. There were signs about increased security because of the Olympics (they were over by the time I traveled), but I didn't notice any increased measures.
Late last year returned on Cathay Pacific via Hong Kong, and again just a cursory check of the boarding pass and passport.
Often I return via Tokyo on United and have never encountered a problem at the transfer point.
BrainDrain
04-11-18, 01:17
My first post. I'm planning a visit to the Philippines in a couple of months for some are&are. How and when is it best to change US $ into P $. I can convert in states but sure don't want to travel with large amount of cash either US $ or P $s. How about paying in us $, do they take it and do you get P $ as change? Consider exchange fees. Thanks. FT.Bring some USD and change on the ground in Philippines. DO NOT use your at home money changers. You will be ripped off.
Also, just withdraw money via ATM P10,000 at a time, P250 fee. The direct exchange rate this way is always better than any airport counter or USA bank.
There is also a strict (but un-monitored) limit of Philippine Peso which can be carried in or out of the country. I think it's P10,000 so it really is useless to change money outside of Philippines.
Most people over-estimate the amount of local currency they will need. Suggest paying your hotel room via credit card which is the biggest drain on currency.
BD.
Soapy Smith
04-11-18, 02:07
Also, just withdraw money via ATM P10,000 at a time, P250 fee. The direct exchange rate this way is always better than any airport counter or USA bank.I have found exchange rates in most international airports to be nearly usury. Like 30 pesos to one dollar in Tokyo and other airports. The one exception is the three terminals in Manila. On my most recent trip they were giving 51.95 to $1. This was compared to 52.1 at money changers in the city. Considering the 250 peso charge for local ATMs, the NAIA airport exchange rate is better. The other difficulty is having to carry a bunch of currency from your home country. The ATM route that BD recommends is a good compromise.
Welcome to the new normal.
All US bound flights are now subject to enhanced security. On top of the bag and water bottle screening at the gate.
This began rolling out in the fall last year in some areas and all classes and passengers were affected. The questions were obnoxious or stupid or rhetorical but I refrained from cracking any jokes because I guess they were designed for my safety.
In some areas, in town check-in facilities for US bound flights were closed. In a way, I can understand this because of the security incidents in the States. Guess it is even worse overseas. At least I can bring my tablet and laptop and phone on board. However, I think they are not as good as El al.
I wanted to see whether anybody else has recently experienced what I encountered when I left Manila for the states via Incheon. Coming through Incheon via Delta and Korean Air to Manila two weeks ago I found the immigration clearance routing a little inefficient, but nothing like the intrusive experience I experienced returning to the states this Monday morning. American-bound transfer passengers were subjected to a grilling by a gaggle of officious young Korean women. They asked numerous questions about the purpose of my visit and what I was carrying with me, but especially wanted to know about all the electronics I was carrying. They wanted to know when I had purchased each, whether I had purchased them myself, or whether anybody had given me any of them to carry. They seemed especially focused on tablets and laptops. Only those headed to the states got this special attention. I asked my questioner tersely about the reason for all the attention. She said they were responding to requests from the USA Transportation Security Agency. The same process was repeated by the same female inquisitors for everybody at the gate check-in a few hours later. Nobody was permitted through without a special security sticker on the back of the passport.
So I am wondering if anybody experienced the same accelerated treatment in Tokyo or other transfer points to the USA, or whether this is just Korean hierarchical bureaucracy run amok. Returning through Dallas-Fort Worth, I noticed that immigration clearance was very perfunctory and all self-reported and automated, but the security checkpoint seemed to be swarming with TSA agents and a very deliberate dog-sniffing team.
It has been discussed here and on ther tgreads. RTFF.
Basically, avoid exchanging in US. Get your exchange on arrival. Either USD cash to local or just withdraw at ATM. FX at airport varies so don't exchange everything. Best way is to use a no foreign transaction fee credit card and ATM card. Second best is cash in large denomination and exchange in town at a shop or money changer. Watch for slight of hand magic tricks.
My first post. I'm planning a visit to the Philippines in a couple of months for some are&are. How and when is it best to change US $ into P $. I can convert in states but sure don't want to travel with large amount of cash either US $ or P $s. How about paying in us $, do they take it and do you get P $ as change? Consider exchange fees. Thanks. FT.
My first post. I'm planning a visit to the Philippines in a couple of months for some are&are. How and when is it best to change US $ into P $. I can convert in states but sure don't want to travel with large amount of cash either US $ or P $s. How about paying in us $, do they take it and do you get P $ as change? Consider exchange fees. Thanks. FT.The airport money changers give you a decent rate. Change enough for taxi and food needs until you can get a better local money changer. BTW, it is best to bring new crisp $100 bills to change. You can change one at the airport to get by on.
Personally I send money to myself via Cebuana for my needs instead of bring large sums of cash.
Eszpresszo
04-11-18, 05:22
Returning through Dallas-Fort Worth, I noticed that immigration clearance was very perfunctory and all self-reported and automated, but the security checkpoint seemed to be swarming with TSA agents and a very deliberate dog-sniffing team.I also went through customs and immigration DFW in recent weeks on my way back from KUL, via DOH. I was pleasantly surprised by the ease of an American citizen to "self-report" through the automated terminals, and not even encounter an immigration agent. Handed my print out to the customs agent who asked "Bringing anything back?" I said "No" and he waved me on. Its a big difference from my youth, when I was regularly hassled by customs and immigration agents. I got swarmed by a group of customs agents once, after I walked off the plane at DFW. Another time at IAH, I had USDA agents go through my bag and confiscate the Black Pudding I was bringing back from the UK. Why was the USDA in the middle of customs and immigration back in the 80's?
But back to my recent experience. I also got run through the wringer changing planes through Qatar. After the initial painless and quick screening one must go through to transfer at DOH, I was forced to go through yet another screening at the boarding gate. I swear I had to show my passport and boarding pass no less than five times between the time I approached the gate and the time I stepped onto the jetway. At one point I had to take out all my electronics (phone and tablet) and after a screening of those items, they were sealed in a thick plastic bag, until I got on the plane (it was a pain getting the plastic bag open without a sharp item). I got to carry my carry on, passport, boarding pass and sealed bag of electronics to the next screening point. There I got to remove my shoes, belt, and even thing else just like in the USA, and go through an X-ray machine, and then get a pat down. Then I got to show my passport and boarding card again just to get to the boarding lounge. Every staff member I passed had to see my passport and boarding pass. Oh, and that bottle of Evian I paid dearly for so I would always have water handy while I was on a 15 hour flight? Though it was unopened, security screening told me I couldn't take it on board. I had to throw it away. Today I checked my credit card statement, and that bottle of water cost me $9. 95 USD (I was confused by the exchange rate of the Qatari Riyal, so I had no idea what a ripoff that airport was). The guy who sat next to me on the way back said that Qatar was on the State Department's shit list and that is why the screening needed to be so rigourous. I swore I would never pass through DOH again, but it sounds like you can incur the same hassle transiting through other places, as well. It was just back in late 2016, I passed through TPE on the way home, and I was hustled through screening by an impatient Chinese lady in less than a minute. I'll probably fly EVA to Asia again, for the reason.
Also, just withdraw money via ATM P10,000 at a time, P250 fee. The direct exchange rate this way is always better than any airport counter or USA bank.I'm not disagreeing at all, but it's worth pointing out many foreign banks will charge their own fee for this so that should be factored in. I think my bank, Wells Fargo, charges US $5 which, on top of Php250 by the local ATM, is nearly US $10 for a US $192 withdrawal. One thing (for newbies to the Philippines) is finding an ATM that will dispense that amount of money AND is actually online. Not so bad in the big cities though I even had problems with HSBC at Mall of Asia more than once. Travelling to smaller cities or provinces? Be prepared *before* you need it!
Mr Enternational
04-11-18, 19:56
I was pleasantly surprised by the ease of an American citizen to "self-report" through the automated terminals, and not even encounter an immigration agent. Handed my print out to the customs agent who asked "Bringing anything back?"Actually it was the immigration agent that you handed your form to. They did away with the customs part of the process since they scan your checked bag before you get it and they can always do a random search of your carry-on, plus like you said, they have the dogs.
I also went through customs and immigration DFW in recent weeks on my way back from KUL, via DOH. I was pleasantly surprised by the ease of an American citizen to "self-report" through the automated terminals, and not even encounter an immigration agent. Handed my print out to the customs agent who asked "Bringing anything back?" I said "No" and he waved me on. Its a big difference from my youth, when I was regularly hassled by customs and immigration agents. I got swarmed by a group of customs agents once, after I walked off the plane at DFW. Another time at IAH, I had USDA agents go through my bag and confiscate the Black Pudding I was bringing back from the UK. Why was the USDA in the middle of customs and immigration back in the 80's?
But back to my recent experience. I also got run through the wringer changing planes through Qatar. After the initial painless and quick screening one must go through to transfer at DOH, I was forced to go through yet another screening at the boarding gate. I swear I had to show my passport and boarding pass no less than five times between the time I approached the gate and the time I stepped onto the jetway. At one point I had to take out all my electronics (phone and tablet) and after a screening of those items, they were sealed in a thick plastic bag, until I got on the plane (it was a pain getting the plastic bag open without a sharp item). I got to carry my carry on, passport, boarding pass and sealed bag of electronics to the next screening point. There I got to remove my shoes, belt, and even thing else just like in the USA, and go through an X-ray machine, and then get a pat down. Then I got to show my passport and boarding card again just to get to the boarding lounge. Every staff member I passed had to see my passport and boarding pass. Oh, and that bottle of Evian I paid dearly for so I would always have water handy while I was on a 15 hour flight? Though it was unopened, security screening told me I couldn't take it on board. I had to throw it away. Today I checked my credit card statement, and that bottle of water cost me $9. 95 USD (I was confused by the exchange rate of the Qatari Riyal, so I had no idea what a ripoff that airport was). The guy who sat next to me on the way back said that Qatar was on the State Department's shit list and that is why the screening needed to be so rigourous. I swore I would never pass through DOH again, but it sounds like you can incur the same hassle transiting through other places, as well. It was just back in late 2016, I passed through TPE on the way home, and I was hustled through screening by an impatient Chinese lady in less than a minute. I'll probably fly EVA to Asia again, for the reason.And thank God for the over caution and extra screening so you can live to tell about it.
Thanks for the advice. I traveled in Europe before the Euro change, always interesting having to get local currency when changing countries. Of course the Italian ATMs seldom worked. LOL. S. E. Asia is the same now as Europe was then. FT.
Naked Gunz
04-12-18, 01:44
always have water handy while I was on a 15 hour flight? Though it was unopened, security screening told me I couldn't take it on board. I had to throw it away. Today I checked my credit card statement, and that bottle of water cost me $9. 95 USD (I was confused by the exchange rate of the Qatari Riyal, so I had no idea what a ripoff that airport was). The guy who sat next to me on the way back said that Qatar was on the State Department's shit list and that is why the screening needed to be so rigourous.Its the new normal. Why you whining? In order for flights to fly from those countries to the USA they need to screen you again before you get on the plane, despite having gone through security already. Where you been dude? This has been happening for months after Trump puit the kabash on Muslim countries.
Eszpresszo
04-12-18, 02:53
Actually it was the immigration agent that you handed your form to. They did away with the customs part of the process since they scan your checked bag before you get it and they can always do a random search of your carry-on, plus like you said, they have the dogs.No dude. It was customs. Immigration was greeting the foreign visitors in a different section of the building. Bear in mind dude, I was there, you weren't. And I didn't mention anything in my post about dogs. If you can't bother to read posts before you comment on them, and don't realize that you can't retroactively place yourself in some other person's experiences, you need to quit posting a while. The fact that you compulsively post replies to others posts all day long, speaks volumes about your credibility.
... The other difficulty is having to carry a bunch of currency from your home country. The ATM route that BD recommends is a good compromise.I have also used remittance services. Worldremit.com is what I used but there are others. Low fees, pick up any bank or LBC or similar place, transfer in immediate and I have never had any problems.
I have actually beat the rate all in using this than the cash ATM withdraw method and limits are higher.
And thank God for the over caution and extra screening so you can live to tell about it.I'm good with just about whatever security they want to have.
I oppose the security theater that actually exists.
Mr Enternational
04-17-18, 03:08
No dude. It was customs. Immigration was greeting the foreign visitors in a different section of the building. Bear in mind dude, I was there, you weren't. And I didn't mention anything in my post about dogs. If you can't bother to read posts before you comment on them, and don't realize that you can't retroactively place yourself in some other person's experiences, you need to quit posting a while. The fact that you compulsively post replies to others posts all day long, speaks volumes about your credibility.You are correct; I was not there. And technically an immigration officer and a customs officer are the same people these days. One day they can perform immigration duties and another day they can perform customs duties.
When you enter the USA, you are in what is called a Federal Inspection Station (FIS). At major airports in the USA, this consists of two parts (and I think it is the same for most countries): 1. Immigration. 2. Customs. Immigration was always the part before you pick your luggage up. You had to show them your passport and your customs declaration. They asked you if you were bringing anything back with you. Then they marked on the form whether you needed to go for secondary inspection or not. These days you scan the passport yourself and the computer primarily decides if you are to go to secondary. After that you hand your passport and form to the immigration officer who collects it, may ask questions, and sends you on your way.
Customs was always after you pick your luggage up. As I was saying, they have done away with the customs part of the process, so that you are only in contact with the person that has traditionally been the immigration officer. Now it is more like Philippines where if you have nothing to declare you can just keep walking out after you get your bags instead of stopping to talk with a customs officer. Before, the customs officer never asked questions and he did not need to see your passport. All they had to do was read the designation that the immigration officer had written on your form in order to know whether to send you to secondary or not. These days, if you have to be sent to secondary then when you hand your form in, the immigration officer will call someone over to escort you there after they have gone with you to pick up your luggage.
I apologize for attributing the dogs statement to you. It was contained in the statement that you quoted from Soapy.
WestCoast1
04-21-18, 12:54
The regular warning from the US State Dept regarding travel in Phils. Take it how you will.
Exercise increased caution in the Philippines due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, and a measles outbreak. Some areas have increased risk. Read the entire Travel Advisory.
Do not travel to:
The Sulu Archipelago, including the southern Sulu Sea, due to crime, terrorism, and civil unrest.
Marawi City in Mindanao due to terrorism and civil unrest.
Reconsider travel to:
Other areas of Mindanao due to crime, terrorism, and civil unrest.
Terrorist and armed groups continue plotting possible kidnappings, bombings, and other attacks in the Philippines. Terrorist and armed groups may attack with little or no warning, targeting tourist locations, markets / shopping malls, and local government facilities. The Philippine government has declared a "State of National Emergency on Account of Lawless Violence in Mindanao. ".
There is an outbreak of measles in the Philippines. Philippine authorities have reported deaths in the National Capital Region, Central Luzon, and Davao. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has additional information on the outbreak at: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/notices/watch/measles-philippines..
Read the Safety and Security section on the country information page.
If you decide to travel to the Philippines:
Visit the CDC Travelers Health Page.
Monitor local media for breaking events and adjust your plans based on new information.
Avoid demonstrations.
Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive Alerts and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.
Follow the Department of State on Facebook and Twitter.
Review the Crime and Safety Report for the Philippines.
USA Citizens who travel abroad should always have a contingency plan for emergency situations. Review the Traveler's Checklist.
The Sulu Archipelago and Sulu Sea.
Terrorist and armed groups kidnap USA Citizens on land and at sea for ransom.
The USA Government has limited ability to provide emergency services to USA Citizens in the Sulu Archipelago and Sulu Sea as USA Government employees must obtain special authorization to travel to those areas.
Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.
Marawi City in Mindanao.
The Philippine government has declared martial law throughout the Mindanao region. Civilians are at risk of death or injury due to conflict between remnants of terrorist groups and Philippine security forces in Marawi.
The USA Government has limited ability to provide emergency services to USA Citizens in Mindanao as USA Government employees must obtain special authorization to travel there.
Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.
Mindanao.
The Philippine government has declared martial law throughout the Mindanao region. The Philippine government also maintains a state of emergency and greater police presence in the Cotabato City area, and in the Maguindanao, North Cotabato, and Sultan Kudarat provinces.
Terrorist and armed groups continue to conduct kidnappings, bombings, and other attacks targeting USA Citizens, foreigners, civilians, local government institutions, and security forces.
The USA Government has limited ability to provide emergency services to USA Citizens in Mindanao as USA Government employees must obtain special authorization to travel there.
Visit our website for Travel to High-Risk Areas.
Eszpresszo
04-21-18, 13:07
You are correct; I was not there. And technically an immigration officer and a customs officer are the same people these days. One day they can perform immigration duties and another day they can perform customs duties.Dude! You don't need to explain to us how customs and immigration works. Any of us from the US who have been abroad recently are familiar with the process, and the changes in the process, which aren't likely over yet.
As for dogs, I've been flying in and out of DFW since the late 70's, worked there for a while in the 80's, and have never seen any kind of police dog at that airport. Never.
The regular warning from the US State Dept regarding travel in Phils. Take it how you will.
......This is typical CYA bullshit. The State department is just trying to cover themselves. If you go anywhere and are hurt they can point to this and say "We warned them".
I used to read these before any travel but stopped after the UK Government warned about the danger from polar bears in Edmonton Canada.
If you are not familiar with polar bears or Edmonton; the city is over 1500 kms away from the nearest polar bear habitat and is a metropolitan city which all large animals avoid for the obvious reasons.
Take appropriate precautions and exercise common sense and most places can be safely visited anywhere in the world. (I spent 9 years in Afghanistan and am considering returning, safe place if you are careful.).
WestCoast1
04-22-18, 07:08
This is typical CYA bullshit. The State department is just trying to cover themselves. If you go anywhere and are hurt they can point to this and say "We warned them".
I used to read these before any travel but stopped after the UK Government warned about the danger from polar bears in Edmonton Canada.KG, question: What would you have them do? Post nothing? Many governments post information about travel in other countries (their citizens might consider them remiss if they didn't). Due diligence suggests they post it.
KG, question: What would you have them do? Post nothing? Many governments post information about travel in other countries (their citizens might consider them remiss if they didn't). Due diligence suggests they post it.How about posting the truth? Not the alternate truth but the real truth.
In my example of polar bears in Edmonton, even in pre settlement days there never were polar bears anywhere near the place. It is the wrong climate and terrain for them.
If there is a risk, then post it with some actual indicators of the actual risk of being there. I. e. Don't say threat of terrorist activity, say what specific incidents have occurred, let me make an informed decision about the place.
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As for dogs, I've been flying in and out of DFW since the late 70's, worked there for a while in the 80's, and have never seen any kind of police dog at that airport. Never.Dogs are getting much more common elsewhere.
Funny story.
In Kandahar you need to line up with your luggage and be sniffed by the dog before even entering the airport. Once we were flying our helo from Kandahar to a construction site that was just being set up. The guys there had been eating MRE (3 lies in one) for over a month with only limited local fresh stuff.
We went to the pizza place on the base and bought a stack of pizza for them as a treat. Of course the boxes were sniffed and attracted a lot of attention from the dogs.
Moral of the story, hide your contraband in a pizza box. LOL.
Mr Enternational
04-23-18, 02:47
Dogs are getting much more common elsewhere.They have always been common. Just because one person has never seen them don't mean shit. It was in 1994 that I applied to be a Canine Enforcement Officer with US Customs. I found out about the job because a buddy that I was in college with was messing with a girl at the school next to ours who was an immigration officer and she brought me applications for the positions that were open.
WestCoast1
04-23-18, 04:30
If there is a risk, then post it with some actual indicators of the actual risk of being there. I. e. Don't say threat of terrorist activity, say what specific incidents have occurred, let me make an informed decision about the place.Makes sense. Below is from the US Dept of State's Bureau of Diplomatic Security's website (OSAC), regarding Philippine crime / safety 2017:
https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=21253
The PNP Anti-Kidnapping Group (AKG) is primarily responsible for kidnapping investigations.
In 2016, there were 22 reported kidnappings, predominantly of local citizens. Thirteen of these incidents occurred in Mindanao.
AKG officials report that kidnapping incidents in Mindanao are most often perpetrated by Muslim insurgent/terrorist organizations (ASG, MILF, the Lawless MILF Group). Kidnappings remain prevalent in western Mindanao, particularly in the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao; on the Zamboanga Peninsula; in the provinces of South Cotabato, North Cotabato, Sarangani, Sultan Kudarat; in the Chartered Cities of Zamboanga, General Santos City, Cotabato, Iligan, Cagayan de Oro; and throughout the Sulu Sea. Several militant groups see kidnap-for-ransom as a way to fund their operations, and foreigners are often targeted.
The AFP stated that the ASG was holding 13 foreign hostages kidnapped between February 1, 2012 and April 15, 2016. Although, the vast majority of the kidnapping victims are Philippine nationals, the period of 2014-2016 saw a marked increase in foreign hostage-taking. In 2016, ASG was linked to the kidnappings of one Norwegian, one Korean, two Canadian, and two Malaysian nationals. AFP indicates it is aware of at least 18 foreign citizens being held hostage throughout the southern Philippines by ASG and other KFR groups.
Soapy Smith
04-23-18, 05:10
As for dogs, I've been flying in and out of DFW since the late 70's, worked there for a while in the 80's, and have never seen any kind of police dog at that airport. Never.Now you're causing me to rethink my experience on the morning of April 9th. I had just departed immigration and customs, turned a checked bag over to the baggage handlers for rerouting on my domestic flight, and then proceeded to the TSA security point. There was a fairly long line of people, including some who were coming in from outside the airport, and the place was swarming with TSA officers. Most were smiling and pleasant, but as usual, there is always one barking out directions who thinks he's still a drill sergeant dealing with recruits rather than with civilians. And then one TSA officer guided a black lab along the line of people with carry-on bags. He directed all of us to step to the side within the queuing line to make room for him and the dog to pass through. He probably checked 200 people and their bags within about ten minutes. But I'm open to considering that this was actually a hologram of a TSA officer and a lab.
BaddHabbit
04-23-18, 09:08
KG officials report that kidnapping incidents in Mindanao are most often perpetrated by Muslim insurgent/terrorist organizations (ASG, MILF, the Lawless MILF Group).There's a lawless group of Mothers I'd Like to Fuck roaming around kidnapping foreigners? Sounds like the best way to go ever!
KG, question: What would you have them do? Post nothing? Many governments post information about travel in other countries (their citizens might consider them remiss if they didn't). Due diligence suggests they post it.There are random events happening all over the Philippines, and not all of them are reported.
Last week (April 18) the NPA attacked a barangay outpost in Surigao del Norte. A civilian expat was killed and 2 others injured.
2 weeks ago there was an unreported attack in Butuan (I was advised not to go to CdO for business as a result of that). In February there was another attempted kidnapping of a foreigner in South-eastern Luzon (again, unreported on request of the foreigner). I learned about it from a mutual friend.
The Australian and US warnings cannot hope to cover every corner of the Philippines, so they issue blanket coverage.
Travellers should do their own specific diligence prior to travelling anywhere rather than relying on generalized and non-specific warnings.
Makes sense. Below is from the US Dept of State's Bureau of Diplomatic Security's website (OSAC), regarding Philippine crime / safety 2017:
https://www.osac.gov/pages/ContentReportDetails.aspx?cid=21253
The PNP Anti-Kidnapping Group (AKG) is primarily responsible for kidnapping investigations.
In 2016, there were 22 reported kidnappings, predominantly of local citizens. Thirteen of these incidents occurred in Mindanao.
AKG officials report that kidnapping incidents in Mindanao are most often perpetrated by Muslim insurgent/terrorist organizations (ASG, MILF, the Lawless MILF Group). Kidnappings remain prevalent in western Mindanao, particularly in the Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao; on the Zamboanga Peninsula; in the provinces of South Cotabato, North Cotabato, Sarangani, Sultan Kudarat; in the Chartered Cities of Zamboanga, General Santos City, Cotabato, Iligan, Cagayan de Oro; and throughout the Sulu Sea. Several militant groups see kidnap-for-ransom as a way to fund their operations, and foreigners are often targeted. .I go to Iligan several times a year and there have always been warnings for as long as I can remember. I was there last July when the fighting in Marawi was going on. It's about a 45 minute drive from where I was staying and we'd occasionally hear helicopters overhead and the occasional explosion. There were soldiers everywhere and they were emptying out all vehicles so everyone could walk through the various checkpoints. I went through them twice a day for a week and was only stopped once (must be my lovely fair complexion).
Most of the schools were being used as temporary shelters for the Marawi refugees. It was strange seeing so many head scarfs in the christian schools.
I was back in March this year and it was pretty much back to normal. There were still soldiers around but they were joking with us as we went through the checkpoints. One even asked to take some pictures. Most of the locals I know didn't seem bothered. The only grumbling seemed to be having to allow more time to get through the checkpoints.
I don't recall reading any updates here on the recent brilliant move by the BNP (that's the Phils Treasury) to release new 5 peso and 10 peso coins that are silver in color and virtually indistinguishable from the 1 php coin except for the 1, 5 or 10 inscribed on them.
OK. Nit-pickers will tell me that if you line them up and compare them there are differences but these differences are slight. The new 10 peso is fractionally larger and thinner and the 5 peso is thicker but these differences are only obvious when you compare them.
I said "brilliant" in my opening sentence because I cannot see why anyone would change from the distinctive differences currently existing between the 5 and 10 peso coins.
Why do I mention this? Because I suspect some shrewd shop assistants for whom 3 or 4 pesos means a few texts or calls on a cell phone are set to cash in on this. Twice in the last 3 days I have been offered coins as change instead of notes (sorry Sir for the small change) and instead of receiving 4 x 5 peso new coins I was given 3 x 5 plus a 1 peso coin concealed within. That's an easy 4 peso profit for the shop assistant / lifter.
I am certainly not a cheap charlie but for me it's the principle that counts. The second time it happened to me (different shop) I quickly checked and saw a discrepancy in my change and pointed it out to the assistant.
Ohhh so sorry Sir. It's these new coins. Very confusing sir di ba?
Buyers beware. I contemplate seeing many visitors peering closely at their coins trying to see whether they have a 1, a 5 or a 10 inscribed thereon
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Ohhh so sorry Sir. It's these new coins. Very confusing sir di ba?
....See how confusing it really is. Pay for something costing 20 p with 3 x new 5 plus 1 x1. LOL.
See how confusing it really is. Pay for something costing 20 p with 3 x new 5 plus 1 x1. LOL.In my world, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Try this with a filipino and they will be on it quicker than a fly on sh*t.
Member #4566
05-03-18, 07:09
I am certainly not a cheap charlie but for me it's the principle that counts.It's holding the line. It's avoiding the slippery slope. If I let them get away with it now it will embolden them in the future. So many ISG folks ask why we begrudge these poor people the several pesos they try to pry away from us through chicanery or by themselves being cheap charlies. Is it anything more than having self respect, being reasonable, and protecting your interests?
I sometimes get the message from these people that I ought to unload my money as quickly as possible, go back home, and that I should not come back until I get some more. It can make me weary. A while ago I wanted to settle down here. No way. It would be like living in a constant state of siege. I love the place but only in measured doses.
In my world, 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Try this with a filipino and they will be on it quicker than a fly on sh*t.See the LOL.
Means I was joking.
Yes they will catch on quick meaning that they were not confused when they did it to you, that was the point of my post.
See how confusing it really is. Pay for something costing 20 p with 3 x new 5 plus 1 x1. LOL.And I'm sure I will need reading glasses to read the numerical inscription. The only problem is, I don't wear reading glasses in public. I'll continue to give my change to parasites and beggars and let them sort it out.
Wicked Roger
05-05-18, 00:05
And I'm sure I will need reading glasses to read the numerical inscription. The only problem is, I don't wear reading glasses in public. I'll continue to give my change to parasites and beggars and let them sort it out.Always give my loose change to the beggars as for me is a few coins but for them can be a lot.
For those not familiar with it Lazada is a Philippine based shopping app. Lots of junk on it but sometimes you see something good.
I noticed that they now sell load. It is sold at a 5% discount as well. I bought 1000 p load and it was there in a minute or so and only cost me 950 on my credit card.
It was valid for a year too.
This may be of interest to guys who want to keep their local phone topped up and current while out of the country. You can add as little as 10 p at a cost of 9. 5 p. Not sure how long that extends the validity period but worth a try.
I like it because it was a lot easier than going to the 7-11 and buying a couple of 500 p cards and entering them. (Sorry po 500 not available, would you like 20 50 p cards instead?
Mr Enternational
05-05-18, 05:03
For those not familiar with it Lazada is a Philippine based shopping app.It is all over SEA, not just PI. I use the website in Thailand. You can get stuff like chargers and dashcams and all kinds of other stuff for less than you get at the cheapest stores in town.
PolyOrchid
05-05-18, 18:28
Ah, the impermanence of life, the death of an old friend whom I thought would surely outlive me.
Craigslist has ceased publishing their infamous Personals section. They ceased publishing the section in the USA a month or so ago, but written offers of debauchery of all types continued to appear in Manila, Cebu, Bangkok, Hanoi, and other Asian hotspots.
But when I entered a search for Hanoi yesterday, I found a shuttered window. Its darkness was an insult to the many hours of unexpected delights it served up over the years.
But the winds of Christian morality are blowing strong in the great moralist, Mr. Trump's, kingdom. Seems part of making America great again entails the disassembly of Sensual Encounters which Craigslist so effectively served up over the years.
I'm told by a good friend in Dallas that many other publications which once delivered opportunities to bring punter and performer together have disappeared; summons served, owners jailed.
I had great success over the years in the pages of Craigslist from Cebu to Bogota. RIP, old friend.
Member #4566
05-05-18, 22:57
Ah, the impermanence of life, the death of an old friend whom I thought would surely outlive me.
Craigslist has ceased publishing their infamous Personals section.
But the winds of Christian morality are blowing strong
I had great success over the years in the pages of Craigslist from Cebu to Bogota. RIP, old friend.How much time remains for DIA, WeChat, and even ISG as it furthers the same interests which which were found to be objectionable in the personals section of Craigslist?
How much time remains for DIA, WeChat, and even ISG as it furthers the same interests which which were found to be objectionable in the personals section of Craigslist?Oh well, we have Facebook's new Dating App launched this week to fill the gap. "This is going to be for building real, long-term relationships not just hookups," Zuckerberg said. So "hookups" seem to be within his sphere of interest.
Eszpresszo
05-06-18, 06:28
But I'm open to considering that this was actually a hologram of a TSA officer and a lab.I wasn't challenging your sanity, but rather challenging a certain person who thought he could tell me exactly what went on at customs and immigration when I arrived recently, although he wasn't there. A certain person who has made over 7500 posts but seems unable to learn much about anything.
As for dogs at DFW, I have in fact never seen any kind of LE dog in my 40 years of travel through that place. But, that doesn't mean you didn't see a dog there. It just means that somebody who wasn't there, didn't see one either.
WestCoast1
05-06-18, 06:48
Oh well, we have Facebook's new Dating App launched this week to fill the gap. "This is going to be for building real, long-term relationships not just hookups," Zuckerberg said. So "hookups" seem to be within his sphere of interest.Dammit Zuck. I'm all about the hookup.
I noticed that they now sell load. It is sold at a 5% discount as well. I bought 1000 p load and it was there in a minute or so and only cost me 950 on my credit card.With a good exchange rate?
Sometimes inspections and questions have nothing to do with you. Could be about numbers, quotas, budgets, funding and grants.
I can remember years ago after leaving a AMP I was pulled over for a "seat belt" violation by an unmarked police car with 4 officers. After the dance around where I was coming from and what I was doing, I asked what did they really want? I told them that unmarks with 4 officers do not pull people over for minor infractions.
The guy in charge said he saw me leave the AMP and wanted to know who the masseuses were. After a few minutes of more questioning and I confirmed that they were all Vietnamese and not Koreans, they just took off. They had no interests in the Vietnamese. It turns out this was a task force working under a Federal grant to stop Korean [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908). Those in SF will remember when the KMP's were busted left and right. There were some people charged with HT but never a conviction.
My take away from that encounter was LE like other organizations has to show numbers and results to maintain grants and funding. Don't ever think it is all about enforcement and compliance.
Soapy Smith
05-07-18, 19:27
My take away from that encounter was LE like other organizations has to show numbers and results to maintain grants and funding. Don't ever think it is all about enforcement and compliance.And sometimes it's about priorities and fads, political and otherwise. I know of a police department in a city near my home that recently decided to buy a bunch of black SUVs. Apparently the brass decided they would blend in easier for unmarked speed trap operations. If they'd asked the patrol officers they would have learned that the officers already had plenty of tricks for hiding their speeding operations with regular patrol cars. So the department bought a bunch of these more expensive vehicles, equipped them with all sorts of WiFi and other features--and subsequently disabled the systems when they got sticker shock over the monthly costs for the service. Don't ever think LE is an inherently rational business.
After riding a few luxury busses, SUV's private cars, taxis and Grab cars + SUV's in Philippines, I have noticed the drivers will step on the gas pedal and then let up and coast. Gas it again and coast. Even on the expressways going 90+ kph. Is this the norm for saving on fuel? I personally don't think it saves on fuel as they are coasting in gear.
It drives me crazy that they shift gears way too early causing the cars to lug. Using more fuel than they think they are saving.
3rd thing, why do they use the parking brake sitting still in traffic on a level street?
Soapy Smith
05-08-18, 10:17
After riding a few luxury busses, SUV's private cars, taxis and Grab cars + SUV's in Philippines, I have noticed the drivers will step on the gas pedal and then let up and coast. Gas it again and coast. Even on the expressways going 90+ kph. Is this the norm for saving on fuel? I personally don't think it saves on fuel as they are coasting in gear.I always assumed it's because they are so accustomed to stop-and-go traffic that they never have confidence to be able to hold the accelerator at a constant speed. They also contribute to the stop-and-go with their incessant lane-switching. The one basic rule for right-of-way is that whoever gets the nose of his vehicle ahead of another vehicle, even if coming in from a side street, has right of way. So the incessant lane-switching appears to be motivated by some silly notion of getting ahead of every other vehicle. Sometimes this results in straddling two lanes so the driver can preserve opportunities to surge ahead in either of the two lanes. The actual outcome of all the lane-switching is that traffic flow suffers a continuous accordion effect, and this slows everybody down collectively as compared to what they'd experience if drivers generally stayed in one lane. So the on-and-off with the accelerator may be related to peripheral vision and looking for opportunities to change lanes to get ahead. If they truly wished to be fuel efficient they would focus on the flow of vehicles five or six vehicles ahead in the lanes ahead of them, instead of looking for small openings with just enough room for one vehicle in the lanes to their right or left.
Soapy,
This is on the open road without any traffic with professional drivers. One example is on the first class Victory Line bus from Baguio to Manila. On the open Tplex and Nlex with no traffic in front the driver would let off on the gas and coast for 5-10 seconds and then hit the pedal again. Possibly on a Diesel engine you might be able to coast better.
Another is on the way to the airport T3 I paid for the skyway assuming it would be faster. The grab driver drove around 40 KPH with no traffic ahead of him. I assume he had a fixed price fare he would save on the gas.
Other times I have had taxi drivers reluctant to use the skyway even though I was paying for it. I now believe they think the skyway uses too much fuel.
Soapy Smith
05-08-18, 21:13
This is on the open road without any traffic with professional drivers. One example is on the first class Victory Line bus from Baguio to Manila. On the open Tplex and Nlex with no traffic in front the driver would let off on the gas and coast for 5-10 seconds and then hit the pedal again. Possibly on a Diesel engine you might be able to coast better.I have been driving standard transmission vehicles with rear-wheel drive for more than fifty years. My foot is big enough that I put the left side of my right foot on the accelerator and the right side up against the center drive train column. Bracing against the column helps me maintain steady pressure on the accelerator. In my experience Filipinos' feet are comparatively smaller. If their feet are too small to brace against the column, then the only pivot or brace point they have is the heel. Hence the up and down motion. Just a thought. I am well aware of the on-again-off-again accelerator pattern you describe. I've known lots of American women who drive that way, presumably because their feet are smaller. Not much of a problem nowadays with automatic transmission and cruise control.
After riding a few luxury busses, SUV's private cars, taxis and Grab cars + SUV's in Philippines, I have noticed the drivers will step on the gas pedal and then let up and coast. Gas it again and coast. Even on the expressways going 90+ kph. Is this the norm for saving on fuel? I personally don't think it saves on fuel as they are coasting in gear.This behavior has already been discussed on this board some time (one year?) ago. Back then someone came up with a rather technical explanation. If I recall correctly he said that in the past the Filipino's had to do this to keep the gasoline flowing into the engine. However nowadays this is not necessary anymore because their cars and the fuel injection have become better. So it's just an old habit.
3rd thing, why do they use the parking brake sitting still in traffic on a level street?It's a safety thing we are taught in the UK, when stationary to apply the Parking Brake, in case of a care from behind shunting you into the car in front. I moved to California a few years ago, and got told to stop doing it mid-way through my driving test by the examiner. So different countries / cultures have different standards to securing their vehicle when at a standstill.
This behavior has already been discussed on this board some time (one year?) ago. Back then someone came up with a rather technical explanation. If I recall correctly he said that in the past the Filipino's had to do this to keep the gasoline flowing into the engine. However nowadays this is not necessary anymore because their cars and the fuel injection have become better. So it's just an old habit.It was me Mog.
It traces back to jeepney drivers having to pump the low-grade sh*t engines in the jeepneys to keep them going. Somehow it transferred across to all drivers who were taught wrongly.
I was sick and tired of having to re-train company drivers to NOT keep pumping the throttle (accelerator pedal).
Sorry Soapy. Nice try but its got nothing to do with small feet or delicate ankles. It's the way they have been trained.
When I tried to re-educate my drivers, I was given that infuriating filipino response: "But Sir, we've always done it this way".
Once they learn that the engine won't cut out if they don't keep pumping the pedal they are really quite pleased about it.
It's a safety thing we are taught in the UK, when stationary to apply the Parking Brake, in case of a care from behind shunting you into the car in front. I moved to California a few years ago, and got told to stop doing it mid-way through my driving test by the examiner. So different countries / cultures have different standards to securing their vehicle when at a standstill.I would add that it's a courtesy thing too: having brake lights glaring at you in front when stopped at traffic lights can be painful, so using the hand brake (as they usually are in UK cars, in between the two front seats) is a nice thing to do. Not that many do, of course.
I also moved to California from the UK. It's a whole different world of driving. And California isn't even that bad in relative terms compared to, say, NYC.
Driving in Negros (not brave enough for Manila) it is nuts, and you do need 360 degree vision and fast reactions, but rarely does anybody get angry.
With a good exchange rate?I am not a tourist. I live here and have local accounts.
I used my peso credit card.
Your exchange rate and foreign usage fees are between you and your bank.
I have also transfered load via WorldRemit but fees are expensive there.
I would add that it's a courtesy thing too: having brake lights glaring at you in front when stopped at traffic lights can be painful, so using the hand brake (as they usually are in UK cars, in between the two front seats) is a nice thing to do. Not that many do, of course.
I also moved to California from the UK. It's a whole different world of driving. And California isn't even that bad in relative terms compared to, say, NYC.
Driving in Negros (not brave enough for Manila) it is nuts, and you do need 360 degree vision and fast reactions, but rarely does anybody get angry.Manila drivers would have be 2 meters behind a car to have glaring taillights in their face. If there were 2 meters of space, 5 motorbikes, 2 Trike's, 3 taxis and 1 bus would cut in front of him! Joking I write this.
The other day I was in a private paid car and I notice the front windshield was tinted. Not the curtain tint but regular tint. Same dark tint as on the side and rear windows. This was at night and I was sitting in the front seat. It was clear his vision was reduced. In addition to the danger of walking in front of vehicles, be aware of the extra danger of tinted windshields.
As much as I hate EDSA blvd in Manila, the other day riding in a luxury bus on a holiday whereas traffic was way down, I got a good look at EDSA businesses. It was a sunny day and I was surprised that EDSA looked good without the impaired vision of trucks, buses and black smoke spilling jeepneys. Truly a day that taillights were able to glare.
Soapy Smith
05-10-18, 17:01
Thanks Red. Makes sense.
I took my driver's test at age 16 in New York State. It was a very tough test compared to what I've seen in other states. I don't know whether it still is. We were expected to parallel park behind another vehicle (without touching the curb and ending up with tires within six inches of the curb. For left and right turns we were expected to use hand signals in addition to the electric turn signals. We also did a three-point turn on a two-way street on an uphill. Not easy with standard transmission. First pull to the right curb (obviously the correct side of the street), using both hand and electric turn signals to the right. Then hand and electric left turn signals, proceeding to the other side with front tires coming to rest gently on the opposite curb. Then reverse and proceed the opposite direction. Coming to a stop in traffic and for the three-point turn we were expected also to give a hand stop signal: left hand out the driver's window, along the side of the door, with palm facing to the rear. When stopping at the curb for the three-point, parallel parking, and end of the exam, we were expected to put the vehicle in neutral and set the handbrake. Times have changed, perhaps largely because of automatic transmissions.
There was an unwritten practice of failing boys on their first attempt, not so with girls unless they were truly haphazard. I was lucky to have passed the first time.
I was taught to simply keep the clutch depressed at red lights. A dozen years later I learned that it's better to put the transmission in neutral and let the clutch pedal back to save wear and tear on the throw-out bearing. Defensive driving schools now teach putting standard transmissions in neutral and foot on the brake at stop lights as defense against somebody plowing into you from the back. For automatics it's put the vehicle in park.
Sim, in my experience Boston driving is worse than NYC. Perhaps related to all those absent-minded, self-centered collegiate types.
GoodEnough
05-11-18, 02:45
Manila drivers would have be 2 meters behind a car to have glaring taillights in their face. If there were 2 meters of space, 5 motorbikes, 2 Trike's, 3 taxis and 1 bus would cut in front of him! Joking I write this.
The other day I was in a private paid car and I notice the front windshield was tinted. Not the curtain tint but regular tint. Same dark tint as on the side and rear windows. This was at night and I was sitting in the front seat. It was clear his vision was reduced. In addition to the danger of walking in front of vehicles, be aware of the extra danger of tinted windshields.
As much as I hate EDSA blvd in Manila, the other day riding in a luxury bus on a holiday whereas traffic was way down, I got a good look at EDSA businesses. It was a sunny day and I was surprised that EDSA looked good without the impaired vision of trucks, buses and black smoke spilling jeepneys. Truly a day that taillights were able to glare.Believe it or not, once one lives here, has a car and drives every day, the general chaotic insanity becomes internalized, starts to appear normal, and you adjust to the erratic driving behaviors. I know, for example, when there's a vehicle, any vehicle, on my right at an intersection, that there's an excellent possibility the driver will try to cut across the front of my car to turn left. I know when approaching an intersection that the concept of "right angle turns" doesn't exist here, nor does the concept of right of way. I know that lane markings are considered purely decorative and that traffic can go in any direction in any lane. I know that even during periods of heavy rains at night some idiot on a motorcycle (usually without rear lights) will try to weave in and out of traffic, and that cyclists wearing dark clothes and with no reflectors or lights will peddle blithely through traffic at night. I know that that dark, slow-moving splotch 25 or 30 meters ahead of me at night, is likely a trike full of people struggling to make it up a hill. I know that the jeepney in front of me will stop wherever the driver pleases with no signal and no warning and I know that no traffic regulations will be enforced. Ever. It's just one of the more bizarre aspects of living here to which one has to adjust.
I've adjusted to all of the above, as have all of the expats I know here who drive. The problem comes when I return to the West and then I have to struggle for a couple of days to remember what safe, correct driving behavior is.
As to the heavy tint on front windshields, it's true and it's normal. I've grown accustomed to it as it does cut way down on the glare from a relentless sun and at night it makes me hyper vigilant. I've also grown accustomed to the fact that many, if not most drivers will not turn on their lights in heavy rains, and will wait until it's pitch dark at night to do so. Why? "Because I'm saving my battery sir. " I've also noticed that there's no comprehension whatsoever of torque or appropriate shift points. I've often asked Grab Taxi and Uber drivers if they know what the tachometer is for and what it measures. The unanimous response is "no sir," which could explain why so many drivers continue up fairly steep inclines in fourth gear at 1,500 RPM: "I'm saving gas sir. " And though I've tried, I could never convince any of them otherwise.
All of the above explains whyI'the prefer to drive my own car almost all of the time, regardless of circumstances. I taught my wife to drive about 15 years ago, and I taught her according to the rules under which I learned. She became an excellent driver of both manual and automatic cars, and gets even more frustrated than I do about the general anarchy on the roads here, cursing other drivers in an endless stream of Tagalog or Visayan profanity.
GE.
Soapy Smith
05-11-18, 04:52
GE, your post offers a very observant slice of Filipino life. In my view it's a report of distinction, but you're going to have to take my word for it, because it's a hassle making the actual link over into the reports of distinction thread.
GoodEnough
05-11-18, 08:09
GE, your post offers a very observant slice of Filipino life. In my view it's a report of distinction, but you're going to have to take my word for it, because it's a hassle making the actual link over into the reports of distinction thread.Thanks. I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's not particularly insightful and virtually anyone who lives here and drives regularly could, I'm sure, have made the same points. Driving here does have the benefit of forcing yourself "to accept the things (you) cannot change," though I need to remind myself of this ineluctable fact at least once a day.
GE.
Wicked Roger
05-11-18, 15:58
Believe it or not, once one lives here, has a car and drives every day, the general chaotic insanity becomes internalized, starts to appear normal, and you adjust to the erratic driving behaviors. I know, for example, when there's a vehicle, any vehicle, on my right at an intersection, that there's an excellent possibility the driver will try to cut across the front of my car to turn left. I know when approaching an intersection that the concept of "right angle turns" doesn't exist here, nor does the concept of right of way. I know that lane markings are considered purely decorative and that traffic can go in any direction in any lane. I know that even during periods of heavy rains at night some idiot on a motorcycle (usually without rear lights) will try to weave in and out of traffic, and that cyclists wearing dark clothes and with no reflectors or lights will peddle blithely through traffic at night. I know that that dark, slow-moving splotch 25 or 30 meters ahead of me at night, is likely a trike full of people struggling to make it up a hill. I know that the jeepney in front of me will stop wherever the driver pleases with no signal and no warning and I know that no traffic regulations will be enforced. Ever. It's just one of the more bizarre aspects of living here to which one has to adjust.
GE.Great FR GE and I can add that when in Cebu I am used to seeing 15-20 motorbikes in front of me at the traffic lights even though I am the first vehicle waiting to leave when the lights turn green. And you must get used them weaving / slaloming along any road without any care for their safety but if they hit you it is your fault LO.
As for turning left despite being in the wrong lane. Even I am tempted to do only because everyone else does LOL.
Lastly my car got a scrape on the driver side front wing. How? In the left lane filter (second lane) a taxi decided to go straight on and side swiped the car. The police report clearly stated I was at fault as I was on the inside lane turning left and he turned into me hence causing the dent on the left and his dent on the right. Go figure that one as clearly spurious and ridiculous and even the insurance had a good laugh at that one.
But for me it is like driving in Saudi so it feels like home form home at times LOL.
Sim, in my experience Boston driving is worse than NYC.I have no doubt that is true. Even as a pedestrian the difference between Chicago and LA is vast: LA you cross the road and cars give way (and pedestrians step out with this knowledge, so often don't even look up from their phone); Chicago you have to walk around or over the cars. If they even stop.
Regarding the comments about tint, I will not drive in the Philippines at night any more. My night vision isn't great anyway, so add tint and dark streets into the mix and it's just not worth it.
Some years ago, may still happen. In Puerta Rico an auto accident happens and a PR cop first visits the driver of each damaged auto. After that interview the fault for the accident officially falls on the owner who has car insurance regardless of who is really at fault. LOL.
GoodEnough
05-12-18, 02:03
Regarding the comments about tint, I will not drive in the Philippines at night any more. My night vision isn't great anyway, so add tint and dark streets into the mix and it's just not worth it.I hear you. The older I get, the worse my night vision becomes, which is why I typically ask my (much younger) wife to drive at night. There are times however, when my driving at night is pretty much unavoidable, and rather than trusting myself to the often unstable ministrations of a taxi driver, I just bite the bullet and drive.
GE.
I hear you. The older I get, the worse my night vision becomes, which is why I typically ask my (much younger) wife to drive at night. There are times however, when my driving at night is pretty much unavoidable, and rather than trusting myself to the often unstable ministrations of a taxi driver, I just bite the bullet and drive.
GE.I should have regaled my first time driving there. So the remnants of a typhoon were still in effect and I'm driving in a foreign country on the wrong side of the road, driving my Filipina wife and her parents through / over / around trees on the road, and through angry waves crashing over the road. Laughing at the image of a poor white man driving rich Filipinos around in their own country. Anyway, survive the suicidal trucks and buses passing on the wrong side on blind bends for 3 hours and literally within sight of our destination there is a dog in the road. No problem. Just drive around it, slightly onto the grass verge. Except it wasn't. It was a U-shaped concrete drainage channel with long grass growing out of it. Two wheels planted in the ditch. Thankfully it was literally right outside the Barangay captain's house and he and several others just lifted the car out of the ditch. Drank a fair few Red Horse that night to deal with the embarrassment.
Another reason I am less keen to drive is that apparently if you hit a pedestrian then you're assumed to be at fault until / unless somebody gets you out of the jail. The chances of this happening (whether the driver's fault or not) increase dramatically at night, of course, so. Nah. We will be moving over there eventually and I plan to have a driver on-call, or wife, or use public transport.
No alcohol sales.
No gun carry.
Voting buying in full progress now.
BaddHabbit
05-14-18, 07:21
Ran into an interesting article yesterday: https://www.gobankingrates.com/investing/real-estate/best-countries-investment-property/. It rates Philippines as best global real estate investment opportunity in the world.
Basically it is looking at the offset of high rental yield vs low tax rates. It does NOT appear to consider operational costs, and I haven't yet looked at follow up data, but it certainly was enough to start me wondering about buying in to the market. Maybe two apartments. One for long-term rental and another for AirBnB which I can use for myself when I need some LBFM-lovin'.
And that got me thinking. I recently read some commentary in one of the threads (forget which) about time share scams. Started thinking about a time share setup dedicated to mongers. Extra towels, more cleaning (by people who know the score), sturdy furniture, easy clean furniture materials. :-p Monger-friendly buildings, and entry layouts. Big beds, mirrors, large showers, large bathtubs, etc, etc. I can imagine a network of places around the world in the various monger hot-spots, catering directly to the lifestyle. Buy in and get 4 weeks a year to spend in PI, or DR, or Ukraine, or Ghana, or Thailand, or, or, or. Woot!
Call it MNGR. Managed Network of Global Realestate. .
Basically it is looking at the offset of high rental yield vs low tax rates. So basically what you want is charging your fellow mongers high rents LOL.
BaddHabbit
05-14-18, 10:28
So basically what you want is charging your fellow mongers high rents LOL.Wasn't proposing that I be the one to do it. LOL! But if you had 50 people kick in to a dozen or so apartments, it could get interesting. And then, no, there would be no rent, it would be time-share style. Maybe you could charge high-rent to non-members for unallocated member time.
Mr Enternational
05-14-18, 14:07
And that got me thinking.. :-p Monger-friendly buildings, and entry layouts. Big beds, mirrors, large showers, large bathtubs, etc, etc. I can imagine a network of places around the world in the various monger hot-spots, catering directly to the lifestyle. Buy in and get 4 weeks a year to spend in PI, or DR, or Ukraine, or Ghana, or Thailand, or, or, or. Woot!When I go somewhere to get pussy the only deals I want to make are for exactly that. There are already plenty of monger friendly hotels and condos around. Why get bogged down with the stress of business deals. This is supposed to be a relaxing period. And when the mongering hotspot turns to a mongering cold spot then what?
I got a buddy down in Rio now who invested in rental property when Copacabana was a mongering hotspot. Now that it is a mongering cold spot he has sold his places but is still left with the burden of getting his money out of there a little at a time. Or what if you had invested in Boracay? You would be mad as a mf right now.
Go. Have fun. And take your ass back home (or move there). Forget all the bright ideas (especially the ones that revolve around mongering.) Reminds me of my buddy a couple of months ago getting the bright idea to buy a bunch of dresses off Amazon and bringing them to Pattaya to sell. Clearly it was not a well thought out plan. First of all, if the girls had money to spend on that then they would not be hookers in the first place. Second of all there are plenty of rolling stores running around selling $3 dresses. And of course the ones that he had he would have to sell for way more than that. Needless to say, he went back home with just as many dresses as he arrived with.
Don't add unnecessary shit to your plate. Focus on the mongering at hand. Who wants to leave with more grey hair than they came with?
When I go somewhere to get pussy the only deals I want to make are for exactly that. There are already plenty of monger friendly hotels and condos around. Why get bogged down with the stress of business deals. This is supposed to be a relaxing period. And when the mongering hotspot turns to a mongering cold spot then what?
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Don't add unnecessary shit to your plate. Focus on the mongering at hand. Who wants to leave with more grey hair than they came with?I was actually in discussions with some guys back home where we would pay for the place, set it up with hot tub, sauna etc and have two girls live there. They would be paid a "salary. ".
Each "investor" would have exclusive nights. It would have worked out much less than traditional methods but we could never get enough guys interested in to make a go of it. There were two ladies who did fully interactive 3 ways interested in the arrangement. They wanted a veto right on any investor.
The main drawback to getting others to come on board was that they said that they would quickly tire of the same two several times a month. A few were OK with once a month but the original ones in the discussion wanted to have several nights a month. The girls wanted to keep it to less than 6 guys so we were looking at 5 times each a month. (We were looking at about $3 k CDN each a month. That would be $5 k for the place and $5 k each lady, with a small reserve in case we had people drop out.).
We were going to set it up that you could come as early as 6 PM and sleep over leaving by 6 AM. In hind sight it was a good thing we never went ahead with it. Just after the discussions fell apart my employer closed doors and I had to leave for overseas work ending up here a year later.
However for the guys who come and go, renting a place on a 12 month term, setting it up as the group wants, with scheduled times to use just might work out. You could offset some costs with Airbnb when not otherwise in use by the investors.
BaddHabbit
05-15-18, 00:24
I was actually in discussions with some guys back home where we would pay for the place, set it up with hot tub, sauna etc and have two girls live there. They would be paid a "salary. ".
>SNIP<
However for the guys who come and go, renting a place on a 12 month term, setting it up as the group wants, with scheduled times to use just might work out. You could offset some costs with Airbnb when not otherwise in use by the investors.Well, the original comment was just an amusing thought experiment (You're a party-pooper, Mr E!), but being in the AEC industry I can in fact see how to make it work, even after a mongering destination were to go cold. The real point of the posting was the more generalised point from the article about real-estate investment opportunities.
The real point of the posting was the more generalised point from the article about real-estate investment opportunities.Don't believe everything you read BH.
Come and live here for at least 4 to 6 months and see for yourself. There are literally 1000's of properties being built all over the place (but especially in Metro Manila), and most of us (including some RE agents that I know) are wondering who is going to buy them or rent them. The presumption is that returning OFWs will buy them, but a completed condo building near my place that has been opened for 18 months has 40% of the units still unsold.
I bought an older-style condo unit 11 years ago but did so purely for somewhere to live and not as an investment, so I have "saved" a huge amount of money that would have otherwise gone on rental fees. A bonus for me is that my property has doubled in value as it is in a highly desirable position, has car parking space (very important), and is much larger than the newer units being built that are pitifully small. Of course, doubling in "value" only means something if there is a buyer if and when I decided to sell.
I would caution anyone against buying property for investment especially if you are a foreigner WITHOUT trust-worthy local advice.
Mr Enternational
05-15-18, 02:48
Don't believe everything you read BH.
Come and live here for at least 4 to 6 months and see for yourself. There are literally 1000's of properties being built all over the place (but especially in Metro Manila), and most of us (including some RE agents that I know) are wondering who is going to buy them or rent them. The presumption is that returning OFWs will buy them, but a completed condo building near my place that has been opened for 18 months has 40% of the units still unsold.Exact same thing in Thailand RK. My main wingman (the guy who got me on ISG) bought a place in Pattaya. Well he paid for it 4 years ago, but since they wait to have a certain percentage of buyers before they start building, his place just got ready at the beginning of this year. I would have gotten my money back long ago. And like you said, these new places are match boxes compared to the older ones. He had to have his washing machine installed on the balcony. I mean there is not even enough space to change your mind in them.
BaddHabbit
05-15-18, 05:21
Exact same thing in Thailand RK. My main wingman (the guy who got me on ISG) bought a place in Pattaya. Well he paid for it 4 years ago, but since they wait to have a certain percentage of buyers before they start building, his place just got ready at the beginning of this year. I would have gotten my money back long ago. And like you said, these new places are match boxes compared to the older ones. He had to have his washing machine installed on the balcony. I mean there is not even enough space to change your mind in them.I hear you on that one. I'm looking at picking up a place for myself in Singapore, and have ended up coming to the conclusion that it is better to buy one of the older places, because the new ones are just so damn small.
Mr Enternational
05-15-18, 05:38
I hear you on that one. I'm looking at picking up a place for myself in Singapore, and have ended up coming to the conclusion that it is better to buy one of the older places, because the new ones are just so damn small.Besides that you see what you are getting and the place has already settled.
(We were looking at about $3 k CDN each a month. That would be $5 k for the place and $5 k each lady, with a small reserve in case we had people drop out.).Are you talking about CAD here? Canadian Dollars? You were going to pay each lady almost 4,000 USD a month?
Are you talking about a condo in Canada or in the Phils?
WestCoast1
05-21-18, 05:27
"Link to Cebu Forum" has dropped from the (bottom of) the top set of threads, to the middle of the bottom thread (User Blog). Anyone know why? Disclaimer: I miss the occasional memo.
CamelToePokema
05-22-18, 07:54
I'm planning my first trip to Philippines this year from India. The tentative plan is to land in Manila and take the Genesis bus to Angeles City. I only have Indian rupees cash and don't have any Indian credit / debit cards. How do I exchange these rupees for pesos? I've searched the forums and I understand that it's easy to convert major currencies like USD at the airport and local banks / stores, but am not sure if Indian rupees will be readily exchanged like USD. Any help to this newbie will be much appreciated.
Member #4566
05-23-18, 00:12
I only have Indian rupees cash and don't have any Indian credit / debit cards. How do I exchange these rupees for pesos.Exchange the rupees to $$ in India before you go. Then change $$ to pesos in the Philippines. Bring new undamaged $100 dollar bills. Maybe there is a black market in India that gives a better rate than the bank. You will probably find it very difficult to find a market for ruppes in the PI and if you, do the exchange rate will be horrific.
Are you talking about CAD here? Canadian Dollars? You were going to pay each lady almost 4,000 USD a month?
Are you talking about a condo in Canada or in the Phils?This was in Canada and was for two of the most highly rated local ladies who would be into full interactive 3 somes. One had had a really bad date and wanted to leave the profession but liked the lifestyle and the money so she thought that having a very small clientele with a guaranteed income would work for her.
I'm planning my first trip to Philippines this year from India. The tentative plan is to land in Manila and take the Genesis bus to Angeles City. I only have Indian rupees cash and don't have any Indian credit / debit cards. How do I exchange these rupees for pesos? I've searched the forums and I understand that it's easy to convert major currencies like USD at the airport and local banks / stores, but am not sure if Indian rupees will be readily exchanged like USD. Any help to this newbie will be much appreciated.I do not think Indian currency is convertible anywhere at the official rate. You need to get usd somehow to travel anywhere. Even when I take usd 100 dollar bills I make sure it is undamaged and crispy.
Can you take rupees to local bank to get 100 usd bills? Do not use airport money exchange because their rates for any currency is horrendous.
The Australian newspapers have been running a series of articles about so-called "romance fraud".
The interesting thing about most of the discussion is that all of the duped people all maintained that they knew what they were doing and that this sort of thing "would never happen to them".
I thought this list was worth reproducing for the newbies online who fall for the clickbait lines.
Tips for avoiding romance fraud (adapted from Scamwatch).
• Never send money to someone that you have met online.
• Never agree to carry packages, or accept suitcases or bags from someone you have met online.
• Always assume that the person you are communicating with may not be genuine.
• Consider carefully any requests to travel (domestically or overseas) to meet someone you have met online.
• Don't feel pressured to respond in the moment. If in doubt, stop chatting and block the number.
Mr Enternational
05-31-18, 04:38
Tips for avoiding romance fraud (adapted from Scamwatch).
Never send money to someone that you have met online.
Never agree to carry packages, or accept suitcases or bags from someone you have met online.
Always assume that the person you are communicating with may not be genuine.
Consider carefully any requests to travel (domestically or overseas) to meet someone you have met online.
Don't feel pressured to respond in the moment. If in doubt, stop chatting and block the number.Try telling that to a loner guy with his dick on hard sitting at home where he can't get any pussy or even a chick to give him a hug. All that common sense shit goes out the window.
Try telling that to a loner guy with his dick on hard sitting at home where he can't get any pussy or even a chick to give him a hug. All that common sense shit goes out the window.Totally agree Mr E. One thing I omitted to mention in my OP was that this warning was intended for WOMEN who were meeting guys online.
I am amazed at the number of women who tell me about guys who are asking them for air fares and other support online. It seems there are plenty of loner women too who fall for all manner of scams.
Have not read the whole thread but I cannot agree more and am stupefied by what I hear and see. These girls are from all walks of life and treat most guys like shXt but are conned out of big bucks by what I can only assume are silver tongued casa novas. Known several women conned by Indian / Pakistani / African guys over the Internet.
In the PI, there are plenty of kuyas doing the same thing and taking advantage of the WG, DH, or semi pro. Likewise with women executives or trust fund babies. Go figure.
Latest I heard was around 3 mil US. In a way it is just, in that both sexes are cheated almost equally.
Totally agree Mr E. One thing I omitted to mention in my OP was that this warning was intended for WOMEN who were meeting guys online.
I am amazed at the number of women who tell me about guys who are asking them for air fares and other support online. It seems there are plenty of loner women too who fall for all manner of scams.
The Australian newspapers have been running a series of articles about so-called "romance fraud".
The interesting thing about most of the discussion is that all of the duped people all maintained that they knew what they were doing and that this sort of thing "would never happen to them".
I thought this list was worth reproducing for the newbies online who fall for the clickbait lines.
Tips for avoiding romance fraud (adapted from Scamwatch).
Never send money to someone that you have met online..
Mr Enternational
05-31-18, 07:59
I am amazed at the number of women who tell me about guys who are asking them for air fares and other support online. It seems there are plenty of loner women too who fall for all manner of scams.I have been online since there was an online to be on and I never seem to find chicks like this. And coming from me it would not even be a scam. Some guys have all the luck.
I have been online since there was an online to be on and I never seem to find chicks like this. And coming from me it would not even be a scam. Some guys have all the luck.I have been told by a couple of girls that they have been asked to pay a foreign guys expenses. Usually some guy will come over on a cheap ticker and expect the girl to house and feed him while giving unlimited sex.
They will promise that it is only for a short time and that they will repay many times over once their money comes through from some sale of a business, house or divorce is finalized or their inheritance gets paid out. Since these sort of sob stories are common with Filipinos, some pinas fall for them and come home one day from their 12 hour shift at KFC to find the guy and anything valuable in the house has disappeared.
..... And coming from me it would not even be a scam. Some guys have all the luck.A year before while I was visiting Cebu a girl of 40 ish invited me to visit her city in Negros Occi. Even she was willing to pay my travel expanses. I counted funny but she was damn serious.
I was actually in discussions with some guys back home where we would pay for the place, set it up with hot tub, sauna etc and have two girls live there. They would be paid a "salary. ".
Each "investor" would have exclusive nights. It would have worked out much less than traditional methods but we could never get enough guys interested in to make a go of it. There were two ladies who did fully interactive 3 ways interested in the arrangement. They wanted a veto right on any investor.
The main drawback to getting others to come on board was that they said that they would quickly tire of the same two several times a month. A few were OK with once a month but the original ones in the discussion wanted to have several nights a month. The girls wanted to keep it to less than 6 guys so we were looking at 5 times each a month. (We were looking at about $3 k CDN each a month. That would be $5 k for the place and $5 k each lady, with a small reserve in case we had people drop out.).
We were going to set it up that you could come as early as 6 PM and sleep over leaving by 6 AM. In hind sight it was a good thing we never went ahead with it. Just after the discussions fell apart my employer closed doors and I had to leave for overseas work ending up here a year later.
However for the guys who come and go, renting a place on a 12 month term, setting it up as the group wants, with scheduled times to use just might work out. You could offset some costs with Airbnb when not otherwise in use by the investors.Ehmmm. Sounds like a semi private brothel to my eyes.
1. 5 CND for two ladies: hell of a salary for the country.
As a side comment, you need to be 200% of the liability of the girls unless you make provisions it somebody else being the warden of the flat.
FWIW, I am not sure about BM's POV but KG, I think you are overpaying. Seoul is expensive but not that so. Also, that is a lot for the girls and the terms are quite long. Remember, their attention span is really not that long. Also, I assume they can play on the side. I would keep it simple and just do it for yourself or one other.
This type of arrangement was not uncommon in the PI and elsewhere for certain people. I recently told a Filipina to take up a sponsored offer because she was just not good at any financial management and kept digging a deeper hole. The guy was will willing to pay quite a lot as it would be much cheaper for him. Anywat just my 2 cents.
That would be $5 k for the place and $5 k each lady, with a small reserve in case we had people drop out.).
Ehmmm. Sounds like a semi private brothel to my eyes.
1. 5 CND for two ladies: hell of a salary for the country.
As a side comment, you need to be 200% of the liability of the girls unless you make provisions it somebody else being the warden of the flat.
Soapy Smith
05-31-18, 22:33
Have not read the whole thread but I cannot agree more and am stupefied by what I hear and see. These girls are from all walks of life and treat most guys like shXt but are conned out of big bucks by what I can only assume are silver tongued casa novas. Known several women conned by Indian / Pakistani / African guys over the Internet.
Lest we forget, there is a women's sex tourism "industry." Smaller probably than ours, but it does exist. Mostly older, professional women who are striking out with men in their own countries and go looking for romance with virile young men in places such as the East Coast of Africa (for Russian and European women), the search for "Big Bamboo" in Jamaica and the Caribbean (for North American women), and in Thailand and elsewhere in Southeast Asia for Japanese and other East Asian women. Perhaps Australian women are getting into the action.
The movie **How Stella Got Her Groove back** is built on this model of May-December romance. Obviously economic disparities are a major ingredient in our hobby, so why not for women as well? Of course women don't like calling it sex tourism; they claim that, unlike male sex tourists, they are pursuing real romance.
A brief internet search for women's sex tourism will turn up stories of lonely European women sending large sums of money to support men they'd met, including some who are married, during their vacations in Africa, Jamaica, and elsewhere. In other cases they try to bring the men to marry or live with them in their home countries, but usually with dismal results--for a variety of reasons.
Mr. E, you probably do see these women in Thailand, but you look past them because you don't find them attractive.
FWIW, I am not sure about BM's POV but KG, I think you are overpaying. Seoul is expensive but not that so......Not Seoul but Canada. These ladies could easily make that in a week offering their services publicity, it had to work financially for them well.
Anyway the idea never got off the ground for a lot of reasons.
Lest we forget, there is a women's sex tourism "industry." Smaller probably than ours, but it does exist......Female sex tourism has been around for a long time. In 1981 my now ex and I went to Jamaica. There were two pairs of unaccompanied women at the same small hotel, one pair was there for sex tourism, we only saw them at meal times and they were always accompanied by at least two big local guys, each.
The other pair was there for a vacation, them and my ex quickly learned that they could not be at the pool or anywhere around the hotel without a male with them, if they were all the chairs around them quickly filled up with local guys who would just sit and stare at them. If I was with them the guys disappeared quickly.
A couple of the staff took to calling me Mr 3. Now that would have made some vacation memories LOL.
Mr Enternational
06-01-18, 01:59
Perhaps Australian women are getting into the action.There is no perhaps. It is widely known that they go to Indonesia.
Of course women don't like calling it sex tourism; they claim that, unlike male sex tourists, they are pursuing real romance. In other cases they try to bring the men to marry or live with them in their home countries, but usually with dismal results--for a variety of reasons.See this a lot in my favorite show 90 Day Fiance, where an American woman has gone to Jamaica or Dominican Republic and brought a guy back. Works out well in some cases, but it is always a shock to the women when they are expecting the money the man makes to add to their household, but he is sending so much money back home to his family instead. In one case on the show, a girl in my city and her Dominican fiance were living in a studio apartment while he had sent his mom (a lawyer) enough money that she was able to move into a 3 bedroom apartment. Meanwhile she had to shell out for her own engagement ring. That chick was livid!
I used to date a (rather small for a) Samoan chick in the US. She was a virgin when we met (but not for long) and treated me like a king. She had been to school for nursing but never had money to take the state test because she was always sending money back home. That made absolutely no sense to me (so I let her get away from me). My idea was help yourself before you go trying to help others. Know the culture before you go off getting into relationships with people.
Know a couple and seen many. Also, seen some in the PI. You would not know who has the money until you know the couple. The Filipina has most of the dough or the company the guy works in. The French are great at this. Another reason to dislike them! LOL
There is no perhaps. It is widely known that they go to Indonesia..
Oh, I see. But if you do the leg work and setup, you don't need to pay them market. Then again, you don't want them to get caught free lancing.
Not Seoul but Canada. These ladies could easily make that in a week offering their services publicity, it had to work financially for them well.
Anyway the idea never got off the ground for a lot of reasons.
Chocha Monger
06-01-18, 16:14
There is no perhaps. It is widely known that they go to Indonesia.
See this a lot in my favorite show 90 Day Fiance, where an American woman has gone to Jamaica or Dominican Republic and brought a guy back. Works out well in some cases, but it is always a shock to the women when they are expecting the money the man makes to add to their household, but he is sending so much money back home to his family instead. In one case on the show, a girl in my city and her Dominican fiance were living in a studio apartment while he had sent his mom (a lawyer) enough money that she was able to move into a 3 bedroom apartment. Meanwhile she had to shell out for her own engagement ring. That chick was livid!
I used to date a (rather small for a) Samoan chick in the US. She was a virgin when we met (but not for long) and treated me like a king. She had been to school for nursing but never had money to take the state test because she was always sending money back home. That made absolutely no sense to me (so I let her get away from me). My idea was help yourself before you go trying to help others. Know the culture before you go off getting into relationships with people.Many Filipinas send all of their money back home to the Philippines, along with any money they get from their "poriner" husband, while the husband struggles to keep up with the demands of supporting a wife with a ravenous appetite for consumer goods and a need to make as many children as possible.
When the husband is busy working two jobs to make ends meet, his Pinay wife will try out the more energetic cockerels in the neighborhood only a swipe away on her hookup apps. Mongers find themselves in such situations knowing that financial incompetence and marital infidelity are part of Flip culture, because their penis is boss and convinces them that they found the one exception. The only culture that matters is that the pussy is tight! LOL!
Oh, I see. But if you do the leg work and setup, you don't need to pay them market. Then again, you don't want them to get caught free lancing.It wasen't full market rate. They could make in a week what we would pay a month but we would include the house for them.
There were many trust issues all around. We had to trust that they would have been exclusive to us. We would have had to trust each other not to drop out leaving the bank short or us scrambling for a replacement of paying a larger share (abet getting a larger share in return.) The ladies would have to trust us to come up with the money each month because if they announced that they were retiring they would lose their client list as others moved into their market.
It was a nice fantasy, to have your own share in a small harem. Of course for what my share would have been I could actually have one here, except for the dangers of pina jealousy and reliability.
Bit dangerous in NA. Don't know the details but think easier for Filipinas to travel to Canada.
It wasen't full market rate. They could make in a week what we would pay a month but we would include the house for them.
Bit dangerous in NA. Don't know the details but think easier for Filipinas to travel to Canada.There were Canadian girls.
Getting tourist visa for Philippine to Canada is difficult, any unaccompanied person from SE Asia will have difficulty getting tourist visa. They should have a history of going places here and returning home on time to even have a chance unless they own substantial property or have a good job.
Not hard to immigrate if young, educated, speak English or French, have some Canadian work experience (USA experience will help too.) and have a Canadian job offer.
Female sex tourism has been around for a long time. In 1981 my now ex and I went to Jamaica. There were two pairs of unaccompanied women at the same small hotel, one pair was there for sex tourism, we only saw them at meal times and they were always accompanied by at least two big local guys, each.
The other pair was there for a vacation, them and my ex quickly learned that they could not be at the pool or anywhere around the hotel without a male with them, if they were all the chairs around them quickly filled up with local guys who would just sit and stare at them. If I was with them the guys disappeared quickly.
A couple of the staff took to calling me Mr 3. Now that would have made some vacation memories LOL.There were two German young girls with Dominican guys where I stayed one time in DR. One German girl was very friendly with me and the DR guy got very jealous. However we managed to sneak around one time. She said her and her friend come once a year to DR. She gave me her number and e mail address. I did not contact her. If she is going to DR to look for guys she could be a sex tourist going to any number of places in the world.
Another time two Hong Kong girls I met at breakfast in Cebu hotel. They showed interest in me but they were fugly. Next morning I saw them with two Philippine guys at breakfast. Then I knew they were coming there to hook up with local guys. Another time I saw two Indian older ladies in Bangkok with local young guys at breakfast.
Do not know if these girls offer money for sex.
It maybe hard for girls to solicit young guys for sex. Sex market is generally geared towards men seeking women.
Mr Enternational
06-05-18, 04:24
Another time I saw two Indian older ladies in Bangkok with local young guys at breakfast.
Do not know if these girls offer money for sex.
It maybe hard for girls to solicit young guys for sex. Sex market is generally geared towards men seeking women.You say that because you do not know where to look. Do you know where 3 gay clubs in Manila are located? Probably not, because that is not your thing so it is not what you are looking for. A lot of money that is given by foreigners to these Thai gogo bar chicks, the chick takes the money and goes to give it to a Thai male hooker to fuck them. There are Thai clubs for this that are open until daylight that a foreign male never steps into. In the Dominican Republic they made 2 comedy movies about this. Sanky Panky 1 and Sanky Panky 2 (sanky panky is the Dominican term for male hooker that hooks up with foreign chicks), where a guy went to work at a resort so he could meet foreign women that were paying for sex.
Thai gogo bar chicks, the chick takes the money and goes to give it to a Thai male hooker to fuck them. There are Thai clubs for this that are open until daylight that a foreign male never steps into.There is a 2011 German documentary called W*H*O*R*E*'S GLORY (without the asterisks. the code thingy kicked in here) that shows this in action. In the Thailand prostitution section, the documentary filmmakers follow a handful of young female Bangkok fish bowl venue workers who indeed take the money their customers give them to a Bangkok "Host Bar", which is nothing less than a male brothel where Thai girls pay young Thai men to drink with them, romance them, dance with them and fuck them. In an interview, the mamasan at the fish bowl laments that one of her unofficial duties is to try to keep the girls from spending ALL of their money on those young boys. LOL. These are not old hags and washouts. They're typically young, attractive P4P girls you would not be surprised to find in the shops and go-go bars.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1327628/
And some guys actually fall for the bit that the money they give or send those girls is going to buy milk for their babies, get grandma that emergency surgery, buy a replacement for the phone someone stole, etc. lol.
If you check around online, you can probably find a stream of that documentary with English subtitles. This is a VERY enlightening documentary for punters to watch in more ways than just that one portion of the film. I think the versions on YouTube do not have English subtitles. Not sure.
Mr Enternational
06-05-18, 06:53
And some guys actually fall for the bit that the money they give or send those girls is going to buy milk for their babies, get grandma that emergency surgery, buy a replacement for the phone someone stole, etc. lol.Even funnier is that if CM or a couple other guys had said that in here then they would be stoned.
Even funnier is that if CM or a couple other guys had said that in here then they would be stoned.That's because CM would most likely have mixed facts with fantasy, exaggeration and generalization. EihTooms is not doing that so he's much more credible.
For a guy who is usually not gullible (to say the least) you seem to be quite gullible with respect to CM's stories, Mr. E.
That's because CM would most likely have mixed facts with fantasy, exaggeration and generalization. EihTooms is not doing that so he's much more credible.
For a guy who is usually not gullible (to say the least) you seem to be quite gullible with respect to CM's stories, Mr. E.Yes Mr E is a CM fan. One would think Mr E could discern between a want to be monger CM is and a real monger but he doesn't? Go figure.
That story line is not unique and has been repeated in print in many reputable papers over the years. However, for me, a picture is worth 1000 words. A video, much more. I have seen some of the girls splurge on their bfs after getting paid. Think that is worse.
There is a 2011 German documentary called W*H*O*R*E*'S GLORY (without the asterisks. the code thingy kicked in here) that shows this in action. In the Thailand prostitution section, the documentary filmmakers follow a handful of young female Bangkok fish bowl venue workers who indeed take the money their customers give them to a Bangkok "Host Bar", which is nothing less than a male brothel where Thai girls pay young Thai men to drink with them, romance them, dance with them and fuck them. In an interview, the mamasan at the fish bowl laments that one of her unofficial duties is to try to keep the girls from spending ALL of their money on those young boys. LOL. These are not old hags and washouts. They're typically young, attractive P4P girls you would not be surprised to find in the shops and go-go bars.
Chocha Monger
06-08-18, 08:37
Even funnier is that if CM or a couple other guys had said that in here then they would be stoned.Potbellied old mongers do not want to know that their sweet hooker angels visit Vanidoso Bar on Perimeter Road to pay a skinny Pinoy to fuck them right after pulling a runner. It is bad for their egos! They come to AC to fuck hookers for an ego boost and to feel like sexy men. The fact that the girls pay Pinoys to fuck them with the old sex tourists' money is an inconvenient truth that many prefer to remain in the shadows. They like eating omelettes but would rather not think about the fact that the eggs came out of a chicken's ass. The baby milk money is really for the girl to tell the elderly mongers that they still look and fuck like an 18-year-old college boy. It is not really for the milk but rather for the flattery of being called a handsome man, being told, "Your kok so beg!" by a smiling tart.
GoodEnough
06-08-18, 11:46
Potbellied old mongers do not want to know that their sweet hooker angels visit Vanidoso Bar on Perimeter Road to pay a skinny Pinoy to fuck them right after pulling a runner. It is bad for their egos! They come to AC to fuck hookers for an ego boost and to feel like sexy men. The fact that the girls pay Pinoys to fuck them with the old sex tourists' money is an inconvenient truth that many prefer to remain in the shadows. They like eating omelettes but would rather not think about the fact that the eggs came out of a chicken's ass. The baby milk money is really for the girl to tell the elderly mongers that they still look and fuck like an 18-year-old college boy. It is not really for the milk but rather for the flattery of being called a handsome man, being told, "Your kok so beg!" by a smiling tart.I've got no statistical backup for this, but I'm guessing that most "Potbellied old mongers" realize the difference between fantasy and reality, and thus, don't really give a damn what the girls do once they leave. The money that they (and we) pay for spending a couple of hours or a night with a far younger woman is the price of fantasy, and I speculate that most recognize it as such. Yes, we've all met older guys who cannot distinguish between the worlds of fantasy and reality, but I think that most can and do know the difference.
GE.
In this trip I met with 16 girls but scored with 14. Visited three cities Manila as well with extended tour of Bacolod and Cebu. None I picked in exchange of money, all are came from Dating sites or inter connection.
14th April (31 year old, Pinalove): Arrived at Terminal 2 from Bkk at 3. 30 PM. The girl was waiting for me at waiting area; when she saw me, she jumped & ran to me straight just breaking the fence and restriction. Lucky me, definitely I am her first foreign catch. So I take her in my arms and planted the kiss in front of all. While we were walking to the Taxi queue suddenly I observed a silent young lad was always with us. With shy smile she introduced he is her younger brother. Do I trembling? Being a polygamous I suppose to do so but I did not. Because I m experienced before girls with their family with one or numbers and sooner or later they leaving their girl with me. So I handed over a 500 bill to her for the brother and somewhere on our way he dropped out from our taxi and greets me to take care her sister. Yes I take care his sister very well because of it was long waiting to meet her with high hunger. She was a little bit shy side but I handled her very well and made her enthusiastic for sex.
15th April (28 year old, DIA): At 8 am my pina girl leaved because she have to join in her job and made me well relief. At 10 am I arrived at Genesis bus terminal beside Taft Ave MRT heading for Angeles. But what the hack they said probably they don't have any service for Angles today but there is a probability could be there a service at 2. 30 pm. Who is going to wait till 2. 30 pm. So I catch a Trike to shift me to 5 Star Terminal, Pasay. Trouble again the police stopped my Trike and declined to allow the Trike running on main road. Again drop out on the road and I decided to walk towards 5 Star Terminal and I know it is not far. Since I always travel light, walking was not a hack for me. 5 Star was in full service but by mistake I catch a non comfortable bus. It was wooden seat of 3 and 2 sitter in 108 peso and I got my seat in a 3 sitter bench. Texted to my girl about probable arriving time at Dau, since she is coming from Tarlac. Few months before she was working at front desk in a hotel in Angeles. Now she found a job in an international hotel at Dubai and I catch in her awaiting days for fly. While waiting for my girl at Dau I buy a drink from a store and dropped in another hack. Somehow I catch the attention of the sales girl of the shop. Again and again calling me to stand in front of her shop; describing she is single, no BF, she is good girl etc etc. With smile I told her I m waiting for my GF but she was not interested to give a shit and keep talking with me. Finally my girl arrived and I escaped with my smile. Two girls see each other; my girl smile to her but the sales girl did not replied any with her stone face. I was amazed and wonder to watching my girl because It was look like she just jumped out in front of me from my computer. Not a great looker but well mannered, elegantly dressed, very much a typical front desk girl. Since she was in cold side by sex appealing. So I was not in big hope but there was a big surprise was waiting for me. Once it started our making she got to open quickly and boy it was dynamite blasted on the bed. Several times I forcibly stopped my pounding because it make me afraid might be we are going to break the bed. The day was full of sweet and sour happenings and keep continue till 8 pm. She came out from wash room and declared she started her period just now and still she can go back home. Well I cannot stop the things happening and I welcomed to sleep alone.
16th April (38 year old, DIA): This girl was little sticky type so I was confused either I would meet her or not. Since last night the mess happened and I slept alone made me message her in Facebook to meet at 12 pm. At 11 am I texted her hotel details in Makati to meet me. And in return a blasted message hit me up that she is waiting for me at airport from 9.30 am. Then I recalled in past once in skype in a freaky mood I told her might be will arrive terminal 2 at 9.30 am. After having my msg in fb she went to terminal 2 straight way to catch me in airport. Finally she arrived my hotel lounge with an angry face like a red pitch. Makati is known to her like her palm because she is living there and working in Malate. Still in this age she act like a rookie in sex, not a great provider but even that I repeat her. Just my reserve hand if I mess somewhere.
17th April, 2018 I m on way to Bacold to meet my regular, whom I meet every time I visit Philipine.
17th April, 2018: Landed Bacolod, Silay airport at 1.30 pm for my regular one. First I met her 16 yr old son in US. Then I started to meet his 35 yr old mother in regular basis. After her son started to staying with his Mexican father she became alone and our meeting became like a fool moon in cloudy night. Suddenly appears in skype, demanding to meet and again disappearing for long days. This run and chase game continued until her age of 38. Then I lost her until she became 40. Two years before surprisingly she popup in skype and informed me she is in her home town Bacolod permanently and leaved everything in US with her son. If I am visiting Philippine can I be kind enough to visit her in her home city? Who the I am not to oblige her request since I was obsessed with her always. She is 42 now still the stunning and can bid any young sexy one.
She was waiting for me outside of airport and drives me straight to her house at Bacolod city. It's like hubby returned home from working abroad, pleasing and satisfying just being together. Cooking and kissing. Walking after dinner. Having sex before we sleep. Feeling shy for doing in day even just we two are in the house. All happens before I leave 18th April 10 pm.
18th April, 2018: She drive me to Celes terminal south bound for Cebu at 10 PM. She bought my ticket and make me promised to stay safe. I laugh with loud and said that is not in my hand either.
19th April (36 year old, Badoo): At 7 am arrived at Cebu North Bus Terminal; texted to my badoo girl that I am in Cbeu now. Quickly she answered back she was waiting for me since the date was pre-arranged. Decided to pick my girl from Osmania circle before I heading to my Airbnb room. She works in some hospital in maternity division so I was prepared I may going to face some medical attitude. As the medic peoples always think that the non medic people are stupid in hygienic issue. More over when she placed some lube pouches on the table I got the idea m going to fuck a dry pushy for the day.
20th April, 2018: The morning went smooth as it was expected. My Badoo girl leaved the room happily taking her transportation money to appear on her job. So I called my 24 yr old FC girl to meet me at Osmanial Blvd corner, in front of GV tower. She arrived 1 HR late and started to complain why we selected this place to meet because there are no Jolibee around there to eat since she is hungry. She prescribed she want to go to Colon street to find MacDonald and she want to ride a taxi. I declined and said in any way it is not the distance to have a taxi ride; we need just a little walk. She started to show her attitude and reluctantly walked with me until we arrive at Macdonald. On the table I informed her after the meal we have to ride the taxi to go to Osmania circle to my place. She again started to showing her attitude why I m not taking my room around this place and she don't want to ride taxi to go to osmanila circle. I just informed my room already taken and I selected our meeting place because I have something to do here before she arrive. Her attitude was annoying and warned me inside the room I may find hard time with this attitude girl. Finally I made up my mind, placed some money on the table and informed her, I m not taking her to my room, she may back home. She was not prepared for that, with her blank eyes, the expression was she cannot believe it. After leaving her in the MacDonald immediately I called my next option 31 yr old from DIA. She get surprised and asked me why one day early. She prepared herself to meet me on 21st not this day. Finally she said since she doesn't live in Cebu city and it was a wrong day. So I have to give her some time and definitely she is meeting with me in eve at Osmania circle. Agreed and when I met her in eve, my all vexation of the morning washed out. Her wide smile and open arm grab me in a hug. The promising hours started thereby m going to have good time this night.
21st April, 2018: Since I availed my scheduled girl a day before and gave me a free day. So I pulled out my reserve list and called out this 33 yr old Pina girl. Even it was not pre-scheduled but she agreed to meet in shortest time. As she said she was waiting for me, because it was informed her before our probable meeting days (did I Said? Sometime pinays tell a lie). Inside the room, all started going south. Right after that she started to express her surprise in my everything, OMG what is this, OMG what is that, OMG you said Pizza is junk food. Oh shit! This OMG girl pissed me off. Several times I planted cruel kiss to shut her moth, pounded her hard but right after that again started her OMG. I give up this OMG girl given her some money and politely informed that I would like to sleep alone in this night. After she leaved I was browsing fb using free Wifi suddenly this DIA girl of 40 yrs from Cebu pop-up in my Whatsapps; what I m doing. She blamed I promised her to meet this week but I m a lire. She was not in my meeting list but it was my alone night. So I let her know I'm in Cebu, Osmania circle. Finally she made it true and arrived my place at 2 am. It was very clear for what reason this 40 yr old girl arrived in my place, Oh boy definitely I was in need a blue that night.
22nd April, 2018 (38 year old, Tagged): 23rd April was my returning day to Manila. So I leaved Osmania circle and arrived at Mactan near airport. Moreover my tagged girl also living in Lapu Lapu; so meeting her would be easy if I stay in Mactan. This is the kind of girl rare to meet. The word "NO" completely deleted from her book. Can I do your ass, yes. Can I do your mouth, yes. Yes was in anything and anytime. Amazing.
TaleCrypt1
06-10-18, 10:58
Hi,
I am breaking my cherry on the PI sub-forum.
Anyways, I am going to Manila early July, not my first visit. Just in case you're wondering, I am in my early thirties, fairly good looking *so I heard* with soft facial features that makes me look much younger.
IMO the bar and "go go" scene in Manila is way too costly (compared to LOS) and I use prefer freelancers.
Unlike the past couple of times where I stayed in Malate, I am planning to stay in Makati.
I've never been to Café Havana but heard it's a good place to pick up FL. I have read and searched the forum but there isn't any really update information on the cost. Etc.
So without further ado I seek some advice on the following.
- Average cost of FL in Café Havana (ST / LT) . I know that everything is negotiable but is it possible to take girls LT at Havana?
- Assuming it's more expensive than the LA Café is the premium paid worth the benefit?
- Besides Malls and La Café any other places in Makati recommended for picking up FL?
- I know that that transportation is horrible. So should I try out Makati this time or I stick with Malate?
Any advice is much and highly appreciated.
WestCoast1
06-10-18, 16:43
Hi,
I am breaking my cherry on the PI sub-forum. Anyways, I am going to Manila early July, not my first visit. Not to be terribly negative TC, but where are your previous Field Reports? 5 posts total, 4 of them on the Lebanon thread. You are taking, without giving.
Wicked Roger
06-10-18, 18:14
Hi,
- Average cost of FL in Caf Havana (ST / LT) . I know that everything is negotiable but is it possible to take girls LT at Havana?
- Assuming it's more expensive than the LA Caf is the premium paid worth the benefit?
- Besides Malls and La Caf any other places in Makati recommended for picking up FL?
- I know that that transportation is horrible. So should I try out Makati this time or I stick with Malate?
Any advice is much and highly appreciated.First advice is read Westie's FR response.
Second nugget of advice is RTFF as all your questions are answered on the board in fact an enormous amount of info is there for some of those easy questions especially #1 and 3.
And based on the F history you do 3 FRs a year so hopefully the third FR for 2018 is full of what you found.
Member #4566
06-10-18, 19:07
Hi
Any advice is much and highly appreciated.Check out the thread regarding on-line dating and pen pals. Go back about 10 pages or so and read forward. Another thread about Manila hotels may help with your selection.
Engine Driver
06-10-18, 22:41
Hi,
I am breaking my cherry on the PI sub-forum.
Anyways, I am going to Manila early July, not my first visit. Just in case you're wondering, I am in my early thirties, fairly good looking *so I heard* with soft facial features that makes me look much younger.
.On this forum you would get more kudos if you said you were a bald, fat, old monger with a two inch cock.
LongLunches
06-11-18, 08:07
I've never been to Caf Havana but heard it's a good place to pick up FL. I have read and searched the forum but there isn't any really update information on the cost. Etc.
So without further ado I seek some advice on the following.
- Average cost of FL in Caf Havana (ST / LT) . I know that everything is negotiable but is it possible to take girls LT at Havana?
Yes, LT is possible at Havana for sure. Especially later in the night. Price depends on many factors, 2000 to 3. 5 k depending on the time / girl / you.
Hi,
I am breaking my cherry on the PI sub-forum.
Anyways, I am going to Manila early July, not my first visit. Just in case you're wondering, I am in my early thirties, fairly good looking *so I heard* with soft facial features that makes me look much younger.
IMO the bar and "go go" scene in Manila is way too costly (compared to LOS) and I use prefer freelancers.
Unlike the past couple of times where I stayed in Malate, I am planning to stay in Makati.
I've never been to Caf Havana but heard it's a good place to pick up FL. I have read and searched the forum but there isn't any really update information on the cost. Etc.
So without further ado I seek some advice on the following.
- Average cost of FL in Caf Havana (ST / LT) . I know that everything is negotiable but is it possible to take girls LT at Havana?
- Assuming it's more expensive than the LA Caf is the premium paid worth the benefit?
- Besides Malls and La Caf any other places in Makati recommended for picking up FL?
- I know that that transportation is horrible. So should I try out Makati this time or I stick with Malate?
Any advice is much and highly appreciated.I wouldn't put all your eggs in the Havana Cafe basket. If you are looking for younger, hotter girls you won't find them there unless you get really lucky. The main difference between Havana girls and LA Cafe girls is the former are older, dress nicer and charge a lot more (just because it is Makati and not Malate). I think the GoGo scene in Manila is cheaper than Bangkok; well, maybe not Burgos Street but EDSA Entertainment is.
There is a 2011 German documentary called W*H*O*R*E*'S GLORY (without the asterisks. the code thingy kicked in here) that shows this in action. In the Thailand prostitution section, the documentary filmmakers follow a handful of young female Bangkok fish bowl venue workers who indeed take the money their customers give them to a Bangkok "Host Bar", which is nothing less than a male brothel where Thai girls pay young Thai men to drink with them, romance them, dance with them and fuck them. In an interview, the mamasan at the fish bowl laments that one of her unofficial duties is to try to keep the girls from spending ALL of their money on those young boys. LOL. These are not old hags and washouts. They're typically young, attractive P4P girls you would not be surprised to find in the shops and go-go bars.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1327628/
And some guys actually fall for the bit that the money they give or send those girls is going to buy milk for their babies, get grandma that emergency surgery, buy a replacement for the phone someone stole, etc. lol.
If you check around online, you can probably find a stream of that documentary with English subtitles. This is a VERY enlightening documentary for punters to watch in more ways than just that one portion of the film. I think the versions on YouTube do not have English subtitles. Not sure.You can actually watch this on Netflix now. Imagine my surprise when it scrolled past on my selections of movies I would be interested in.
You can actually watch this on Netflix now. Imagine my surprise when it scrolled past on my selections of movies I would be interested in.The AI engines some of these sites use to make recommendations can be a little scary at times. LOL.
Old German
06-13-18, 23:40
Since 2012 I have been in Philippines 10 times and used for flights within the country almost every time Air Asia or Cebu Pacific. And almost ever the flights had delay – from 30 minutes up to 2 hours. But this time I had a new record – 4 hours delay for a flight from Manila to Cebu with Cebu Pacific. Instead scheduled departure at 12.30 in noon the airplane started short before 4. 30 pm At 3. 30 pm All the passengers got a delicious meal as compensation for this long waiting – a wishy-washy sandwich and a warm half liter of water.
The airplane arrived at 5. 45 pm In Cebu. All the passengers had to wait long for taking the luggage, but maybe 30 included me didn't get. It seemed, they forgot to transport because oft he chaos in Manila. As the band-conveyor stopped and it became clear, that the baggage was lost, all the people without luggage run to the counter to be the first for the advice of lost. It was a terrible jostling and any passengers became very aggressive. Behind the desk have been 2 young ladies and a middle age man, apparently the supervisor. The ladies didn't accept the advice of lost, only the man. So it took long time, till I was able to give off this advice to the man for affirmation. After almost one hour I got it back and was able to leave the airport. In meantime it was 6. 45 pm.
But the disaster wasn't at end. As I went out to the place of the departure of taxis, a big crowd of people waited for a taxi. I estimated the number of waiting people of more than 200. This never happened to me in Cebu during maybe 10 arrivals in the past years. And I noticed, that only 2 taxis left in one minute the place. So I estimated the time to wait of much more than one hour. I know the area there well, so I went to the bus station nearby. But there also maybe almost 100 people have been waiting for a bus. So normally it would been impossible to get the first bus. I went to the ticket counter and tried a trick, which had been sucessful. I told the lady behind the desk, I would be a senior citizen over 60 and showed her my passport. She accepted and let me stay in the begin of the line. As the bus arrived at 7 pm, I was able to enter the bus as one of the first and even got a place to sit. After one hour the bus arrived at S. M. Mall around 8 pm.
There I stopped a taxi. When I take a taxi, I ever ask before entering, if the driver use the meter. He agreed and so I took a seat. The driver immediately started the engine. But then I saw, the meter showed already 240 Peso. I asked the driver to reset. He refused and claimed, it would be the night rate for starting. I only laughed at him and threathened him to make a file at the Police. He resigned his attempt to cheat me and reset the meter to the usual 40 Peso. After a short ride to the Parklane Hotel I arrived there at 8. 15 pm.
I had an appointment with a classy lady in the 30th from DIA at 6 pm While waiting in Manila and later in Cebu Airport I sent her any SMS, so she was very understanding because my delay and later we had a great night together in Parklane.
I had an appointment with a classy lady in the 30th from DIA at 6 pm While waiting in Manila and later in Cebu Airport I sent her any SMS, so she was very understanding because my delay and later we had a great night together in Parklane.It's more fun in the Philippines and great to see your story had a happy ending.
When things go wrong in Philippines they go very wrong. The crazy thing about your luggage is the Cebu Pacific knew your luggage was not on the flight before you left Manila.
In the other direction CEB to MNL I know that downstairs departure lounge so well. The end of day flights are usually late.
PL.
Old German
06-14-18, 05:12
It's more fun in the Philippines and great to see your story had a happy ending.
When things go wrong in Philippines they go very wrong. The crazy thing about your luggage is the Cebu Pacific knew your luggage was not on the flight before you left Manila.
In the other direction CEB to MNL I know that downstairs departure lounge so well. The end of day flights are usually late.
PL.I forgot to mention, that I got a call from a staff in Parklane Hotel around midnight, that I could take my luggage, Cebu Pacific would have just delivered. That was like a wonder for me, that it happened so soon.
I forgot to mention, that I got a call from a staff in Parklane Hotel around midnight, that I could take my luggage, Cebu Pacific would have just delivered. That was like a wonder for me, that it happened so soon.This will sound very corny but I have also stayed in Parklane and my luggage was lost on my inbound flight too. I think in my case he luggage also arrived about 11 pm. There's a conspiracy.
Wicked Roger
06-14-18, 19:17
Since 2012 I have been in Philippines 10 times and used for flights within the country almost every time Air Asia or Cebu Pacific. And almost ever the flights had delay from 30 minutes up to 2 hours. But this time I had a new record 4 hours delay for a flight from Manila to Cebu with Cebu Pacific. Instead scheduled departure at 12.30 in noon the airplane started short before 4. 30 pm At 3. 30 pm All the passengers got a delicious meal as compensation for this long waiting a wishy-washy sandwich and a warm half liter of water.
But the disaster wasn't at end. As I went out to the place of the departure of taxis, a big crowd of people waited for a taxi. I estimated the number of waiting people of more than 200. This never happened to me in Cebu during maybe 10 arrivals in the past years. And I noticed, that only 2 taxis left in one minute the place. So I estimated the time to wait of much more than one hour. I know the area there well, so I went to the bus station nearby. But there also maybe almost 100 people have been waiting for a bus. So normally it would been impossible to get the first bus. I went to the ticket counter and tried a trick, which had been sucessful. I told the lady behind the desk, I would be a senior citizen over 60 and showed her my passport. She accepted and let me stay in the begin of the line. As the bus arrived at 7 pm, I was able to enter the bus as one of the first and even got a place to sit. After one hour the bus arrived at S. M. Mall around 8 pm..I never take late morning / early afternoon flights and definitely never an evening flight on CEB MNL or return. Always get the early ones before NAIA gets congested, flights delayed and hence the later flights get delayed. I learnt my lesson and now I never have issue.
I also use the same trick OG and once when there was a huge storm and water was flowing down Luzon Ave (Cebu for those who don't know) I was first in line for a taxi as I said am a senior. I look younger I know but am older than I look of course.
As for taxi I am surprised as I expect that in Manila (in fact it does happen) but is rare in Cebu. You did the right thing and it will work.
I go back to my original advice.
T, If you are in a generous mood, might I suggest bringing the young lady, AKA patient zero, to see the doc too and cover her visit. You can try communicating with her through Google Translate. The Android and web versions are slightly different but it will get the message across. My experience is that even though some Filipinas appear to speak and understand English, some actually don't understand nor articulate well. So it might be worth while to repeat yourself in different ways and have her repeat herself or ask questions in different ways. It takes a lot of patience. A foreign sponsor might get the doctor to treat her better. $$.
If she has something and they can treat her, she can pass the information to her friends who also visited you or someone else. It is a drop in the ocean but I feel every little bit helps.
IMHO, I don't think the French always set the best examples. Good luck.
I did indeed go to Chong Hua for one round of tests. (after Hi-Precision came up with nothing) And they recommended me to the infectious disease doc I'm seeing as she's apparently one of the five best in Cebu.
I'm sure whatever I've got is all over the place. There was some French guy sitting next to me in the waiting room 2 months ago when this started, the whole time flipping through his Tinder matches. He went in before me and the doc said he had the exact same thing but he didn't appear to be slowing down.
Some things clear by itself. I had a similar experience once. Fucked very young girl who worked in a bar on Pedro clisante in Sosua. This was my first time and I did not anything about Sosua. This bar was in the corner going to the beach. It is not there anymore. She was very pretty. White skin, pretty face and a body to die for. I got little drunk and there was a guy I met at the airport onlanding. He introduced himself and said he can get me nice girls and can give me a ride to Sosua. But I declined saying I have booked a rental car.
While I was drinking he came over and asked for a beer. He saw me looking at the girl and he said he will talk to her. He did talk to her and she agreed to be with me but had to wait till her shift ended. Once in the room looking at her beautiful body and being drunk forgot to put condom. Felt very good with tight pussy. I kept her for 4 days but she would go to work and I would pick her up after her shift. We would go to puerto plata discos and dance. She was a great dancer and total GFE. After that never used condom.
Back home I felt raw at the penis head for at least three weeks and it hurt when peeing. Took antibiotics z- pack. Even after taking antibiotics still was not normal for a month or so. Next check everything came normal. Situation cleared itself. Went back in a couple of months looking for her. Nowhere to be seen. I believe some guy snapped her up. Tried asking the owner and she said girl just stopped showing up.
So just wait and see instead of loading up on antibiotics.
Stolennameman.
Get a few different Doctor's opinions and tests done and don't hesitate. Many advice here, some are good and one with syphiliic damaged brain cells. Best to get professional medical help on this.
One question, are you diabetic or border line? If so I have heard it might hinder recovery.
I forgot to mention, that I got a call from a staff in Parklane Hotel around midnight, that I could take my luggage, Cebu Pacific would have just delivered. That was like a wonder for me, that it happened so soon.Reminds me of the time a friend of mine landed in NAIA and was going to Angeles right away and they lost his luggage. He waited and filed a lost baggage report at the airport and went on to Angeles. 2 days later his luggage was delivered to the AC hotel. The delivery truck was an old dump truck with an open roof. His luggage was smoking hot from the open roof. LOL.
Soapy Smith
06-16-18, 22:55
This will sound very corny but I have also stayed in Parklane and my luggage was lost on my inbound flight too. I think in my case he luggage also arrived about 11 pm. There's a conspiracy.Coincidence sometimes looks like conspiracy. But here's a rule of thumb I have learned from working in many different kinds of organizations: assume incompetence before malevolence. Malevolent conspiratorial actions require skills and coordination; incompetence requires neither of these.
I think you're giving CP too much credit by assuming they knew that Alter Deutscher's luggage was being left in Manila.
Coincidence sometimes looks like conspiracy. But here's a rule of thumb I have learned from working in many different kinds of organizations: assume incompetence before malevolence. Malevolent conspiratorial actions require skills and coordination; incompetence requires neither of these.
That's a good saying. I'm thinking about the airline security requirement that luggage doesn't fly if the checked-in pax doesn't board the flight. Another great corporate error. I assumed they cared.
All of that being said I have chatted a few CP flight attendants a bit of flirting and gotten zero phone numbers or any real attention or interest. Hey generally seem to be well educated and remunerated. They work long shifts.
Soapy Smith
06-21-18, 07:46
All of that being said I have chatted a few CP flight attendants a bit of flirting and gotten zero phone numbers or any real attention or interest. Hey generally seem to be well educated and remunerated. They work long shifts.And short and unattractive women need not apply.
AussieGaigin
06-21-18, 09:35
That's a good saying. I'm thinking about the airline security requirement that luggage doesn't fly if the checked-in pax doesn't board the flight. Another great corporate error. I assumed they cared.
A lot of airlines have this policy. There is a recognised risk of terrorists checking in rigged baggage, but not taking the flight.
Wicked Roger
06-21-18, 10:05
A lot of airlines have this policy. There is a recognised risk of terrorists checking in rigged baggage, but not taking the flight.Most good carriers nowadays will not let baggage go unattended in the hold of an aircraft.
I fly a lot and at times we are delayed as someone has checked in the bags, not appeared at the gate and these must be removed. It is a real pain when that happens especially on a full A380 but better safe than sorry.
As for the smaller carries and the more third world countries this can be slap dash at best.
A lot of airlines have this policy. There is a recognised risk of terrorists checking in rigged baggage, but not taking the flight.This has been airline policy ever since 9/11.
I have been delayed numerous times all over the world by the need to remove checked bags from the plane that belong to someone who checked in the bag but didn't board.
It even happened on a domestic flight Sydney to Melbourne.
This has been airline policy ever since 9/11.
I have been delayed numerous times all over the world by the need to remove checked bags from the plane that belong to someone who checked in the bag but didn't board.
It even happened on a domestic flight Sydney to Melbourne.You will also hear lots of page calls for last passenger to board, telling them that if they do not board immediately, their luggage will be removed. Often the people board late and the plane departs but once they open the baggage compartment to get the bags the passanger will be denied boarding.
I saw that at an adjacent gate once, the passenger arrived a minute after they opened the baggage compartment and was denied boardimng. They were not happy and everyone within ear shot of them know it.
Nice Guy 99
06-29-18, 16:01
Does anyone have experience with bringing a pinay to the USA for a few weeks on a tourist visa? The girl will need to apply for the visa and the gentleman will need to assume financial support for that trip. In looking around on the web I think you can do this by affidavit. The guy has a good job in a very vanilla industry so hopefully there will not be a suspicion of sex trafficking.
Any experiences, hints or suggestions?
Mr Enternational
06-29-18, 16:49
Does anyone have experience with bringing a pinay to the USA for a few weeks on a tourist visa? The girl will need to apply for the visa and the gentleman will need to assume financial support for that trip. In looking around on the web I think you can do this by affidavit. The guy has a good job in a very vanilla industry so hopefully there will not be a suspicion of sex trafficking.
Any experiences, hints or suggestions?Where does this gentleman assume financial support for that trip come from? That is not part of any tourist visa process that I have ever heard of. If it was that simple, this place would be swarming with third world hookers. The person requesting the visa must show they have enough to support themselves. They want bank statements. They must also prove good reason to return, such as property in their name and a very good job. A Brazilian friend of mine tried to pull that so and so will be responsible for me. They asked, well what if something happens to so and so? She had no answer for that. Denied!
I have helped several friends get a visa, but these were by no means desolate chicks that would depend on my care. The times that we had seen each other I would always make sure to take pictures together in different situations showing that we have a history together and I didn't just meet this person on the internet last night. Then I would make a letter saying they would stay with me on such and such dates and include a picture of my passport and driver's license on the letter. The girl would take the letter and all of our photos to the interview with her. But like I said, these were chicks with places to live and jobs to return to. If you are just trying for some educationless, jobless scalawag to come see you then they pretty much know it is sex trafficking. And in the words of Judge Judy, it ain't going to happen.
Difficult if the girls is not a professional; as in a trade other than in the sex trade. If visiting family members, they get also suspicious. But can be done.
Does anyone have experience with bringing a pinay to the USA for a few weeks on a tourist visa? The girl will need to apply for the visa and the gentleman will need to assume financial support for that trip. In looking around on the web I think you can do this by affidavit. The guy has a good job in a very vanilla industry so hopefully there will not be a suspicion of sex trafficking.
Any experiences, hints or suggestions?
Where does this gentleman assume financial support for that trip come from? That is not part of any tourist visa process that I have ever heard of. If it was that simple, this place would be swarming with third world hookers. The person requesting the visa must show they have enough to support themselves. They want bank statements. They must also prove good reason to return, such as property in their name and a very good job. A Brazilian friend of mine tried to pull that so and so will be responsible for me. They asked, well what if something happens to so and so? She had no answer for that. Denied!
I have helped several friends get a visa, but these were by no means desolate chicks that would depend on my care. The times that we had seen each other I would always make sure to take pictures together in different situations showing that we have a history together and I didn't just meet this person on the internet last night. Then I would make a letter saying they would stay with me on such and such dates and include a picture of my passport and driver's license on the letter. The girl would take the letter and all of our photos to the interview with her. But like I said, these were chicks with places to live and jobs to return to. If you are just trying for some educationless, jobless scalawag to come see you then they pretty much know it is sex trafficking. And in the words of Judge Judy, it ain't going to happen.And it can be even more complicated. One time I asked a Philippine friend to come visit me in Kuala Lumpur. No visa granted for her in Malaysia. But she was denied to leave the Philippines by their imigrationsofficers in the airport. They asked why she should go. She answered honestly "to meet boyfriend". They was scared that it was a victim for human T. I booked a new ticket for her for the next day and send her copy of some fligts we have done together. Normaly I never take pictures but luckily we also had a couble of pictures. She also printed some conversations from Messenger. Then she get permision to leave the country.
Unmarried, no child and / or under 25 can create problems because of HT concerns. Will get worse when metoo hits Asia. Even worse when Miss(?) America no swimsuit thinking hits Asia.
But she was denied to leave the Philippines by their imigrationsofficers in the airport.
Does anyone have experience with bringing a pinay to the USA for a few weeks on a tourist visa? ....I have an American friend with a Thai wife. He has had trouble getting her a tourist visa up until a couple years of marriage. For some reason they would never issue her one. At one meeting he was advised to get her a Green Card, he was told it would be easier than getting her a tourist visa?
The laws and rules on visa's and immigration are very complex and then the actual enforcement is left up to a relatively low level administrator who is paying his or her dues before moving up in the system. They will never be blamed for denying someone entry but will be blamed f someone they issue a visa to breaks the rules. This is not only an American phenomena but one I have seen just about everywhere. Of course the current political climate in the US does not help, with all the press on illegal immigration.
Chocha Monger
06-30-18, 01:15
Does anyone have experience with bringing a pinay to the USA for a few weeks on a tourist visa? The girl will need to apply for the visa and the gentleman will need to assume financial support for that trip. In looking around on the web I think you can do this by affidavit. The guy has a good job in a very vanilla industry so hopefully there will not be a suspicion of sex trafficking.
Any experiences, hints or suggestions?If she is not wealthy with substantial real estate, business, and a large stream of steady income in her name, she will not get a tourist visa. Filipinas abscond at a high rate on tourist visas, and even 90-day K-1 visas, running off to live with relatives already in the USA or to marry a younger wealthier man than the sponsor. The vanilla guy is going to have to fly to the Philippines to bang her, or find one that already ran away from her K-1 sponsor to bang if his good job in the vanilla industry does not give him any vacation time.
Nice Guy 99
06-30-18, 02:34
Gentlemen. Thank you for all of the replies and advice. Let me respond.
I've know this pinay for maybe ten years. She is over 25, single and has one child. Familiar pinay story. She has a university degree, actually a fairly substantive one (not hotel management), but does not have a "real job" at the moment. She has worked overseas and returned to the Philippines when her contract was up. She has been corresponding and talking with the guy in the US for more than four years. As I mentioned in my original post, the guy is a US citizen of an appropriate age and has a professional job in a very vanilla industry and doesn't fit the mold of someone who would bring over a girl to traffic.
I brought my Asian wife to the US on a K-1 so I'm very familiar with relationship evidence and have advised her how to build a portfolio.
The problem is financial and propensity to return to the Philippines. We can build a fairly good roots case based on her child and family ties. It's the financial thing that worries me.
Mr. Ent: he's a US guy with credible career. I'm thinking of advising her that she needs to develop a financial package that includes his commitment to support the trip.
Blushes: Thanks for your comment. She has an overseas work history but not a professional career.
Aske: Yep, I'm aware of the departure probs. She will need to have evidence with her. The same as she used for the visa.
Kabul: Yep, I agree the system is wired to denial.
Thanks again guys for you inputs. Does anyone know of a case where a USA tourist visa was approved based, in part, on financial responsibility from the guy she was visiting?
Thanks again guys for you inputs. Does anyone know of a case where a USA tourist visa was approved based, in part, on financial responsibility from the guy she was visiting?That may not be a good idea if he is her boy friend. The main criteria is she needs to demonstrate that she has strong ties (stable job, property) in Philippines so she will return after the visit. If she wants to get a tourist visa, the best thing to do is to act and prepare like a tourist for the interview.
Mr Enternational
06-30-18, 03:07
She has been corresponding and talking with the guy in the US for more than four years.So you think they will give her a visa based on them being pen pals? Why doesn't he just go visit her? Way easier.
There are certain reasons for not getting a Green Card.
Even bringing a foreign wife back was a problem after the 1950's. Worse with select Asian countries. You would have had a better chance crossing from Mexico illegally under Obama.
As for a girlfriend, there are always avenues but not recommended.
I have an American friend with a Thai wife. He has had trouble getting her a tourist visa up until a couple years of marriage. For some reason they would never issue her one. At one meeting he was advised to get her a Green Card, he was told it would be easier than getting her a tourist visa?
Wicked Roger
06-30-18, 06:01
Gentlemen. Thank you for all of the replies and advice. Let me respond.NG,
Just to add my two cents.
Old friend (ISGer) very god job, career and income wanted to bring his lady to USA for 3 weeks. She has a full time job with a very reputable firm, has an income, had no kids but parents at home. She got her docs together with income proof and letter of employment plus a letter from employer confirming the employment and she had approved leave.
He provided all his documents and a letter saying he would pay for everything incl ticket, stays at his place and with it all was pictures of them together in the Philippines and other parts of Asia and some with his teenage kids in it. Happy family pics.
But the US Embassy refused after a 90 minutes interview saying she did not earn enough income! WTF!
Now another friend tells me that 95% of all pinay applications for tourist visa are refused in the Philippines. Not sure of this but he is a very credible guy and has lived in the county many years with good contacts. Say has to have some family in USA as that helps (but no guarantee).
So go figure. Basically it is tough as hell. And as Trump is now in power and the immigration / visa guys (well some) are likely more emboldened to be more racist or whatever we call etc then who knows!
Another fact. Friend of mine has been waiting for about 8 months and counting for his pinay's fiancée visa. He says this is amazingly long and puts down to Trump policies. I suppose the American fuglies there who support Trump don't want pretty pinays spoiling the 'gene pool' in USA LOL.
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Thanks again guys for you inputs. Does anyone know of a case where a USA tourist visa was approved based, in part, on financial responsibility from the guy she was visiting?I do know that my friend with the Thai wife had offered and was basically laughed at when he suggested that he post a bond for his wife to get a tourist visa.
Look at it from ICE's view point. If the guy has the money he can keep here in the US and support her no problem if he decides he wants her to stay.
WestCoast1
06-30-18, 14:06
So you think they will give her a visa based on them being pen pals? Why doesn't he just go visit her? Way easier.For you and me, yes. But not for all. I know 3 is a small number, but over the years 3 different women have told me of stories of older foreign gents, who could not travel (health reasons), sending large quantities of money monthly to the girl herself or to her daughters. Also the gent attempted to get the pinay to visit him. The gents made clear up front that they would never visit phils. When the gents passed away they had their estate executor wire a ton of money to their honey (or her daughter). If I am aware of several of these situations, its probably happening with some regularity and more often.
Thanks again guys for you inputs. Does anyone know of a case where a USA tourist visa was approved based, in part, on financial responsibility from the guy she was visiting?Not quite the same category but we've had the Filipino in-laws over in the US. We were on green cards at the time but they still ended up with multi entry, 10 year B1/2 visas. Entirely dependent on our finances as they were pretty poor. They also had a history of travelling to other countries and returning on schedule in their favour.
We were going to bring a nephew over but despite having a good job, the general feeling was that he was more likely to be denied due to age (mid 20's).
Does anyone know of a case where a USA tourist visa was approved based, in part, on financial responsibility from the guy she was visiting?The chance is low because it would invite more questions.
The long and hard earned reputation of Filipinos not honouring visa requirements, viz, leaving the country eg USA, whatever country, at appointed visa expiry time, has hardened authorities towards Flips.
Its called "shoot in the foot" , in these and many other matters. Well earned filipino reputation, and programmed at birth.
A guy I knew, thought he would get around this, by marrying the Filipina in the Philippines. Still no visa. He in his country, Filipino wife in Philippines. Never the twain shall meet.
ST, ST, when its all about ST, all is well. LT? Problems, problems.
Nice Guy 99
07-01-18, 03:59
Thank you so much gentlemen. I have conveyed all of your posts, anonymous of course, to my friend without revealing the source.
It looks pretty hopeless. Unless someone has a brilliant plan for success this topic is likely exhausted.
Thanks again!
Mr Enternational
07-01-18, 06:14
Thank you so much gentlemen. I have conveyed all of your posts, anonymous of course, to my friend without revealing the source. It looks pretty hopeless. Unless someone has a brilliant plan for success this topic is likely exhausted. Thanks again!Why doesn't he go visit her?
It can be done. Just keep gathering info before trying. A denial is expensive as well as red flag. You / she might be able to find someone on the ground in Manila to help. The most important thing is to tell the lady not to lie. Keep calm and truthful. Very hard for any person.
It looks pretty hopeless. Unless someone has a brilliant plan for success this topic is likely exhausted.
Chocha Monger
07-01-18, 22:45
The long and hard earned reputation of Filipinos not honouring visa requirements, viz, leaving the country eg USA, whatever country, at appointed visa expiry time, has hardened authorities towards Flips.
Its called "shoot in the foot" , in these and many other matters. Well earned filipino reputation, and programmed at birth.
A guy I knew, thought he would get around this, by marrying the Filipina in the Philippines. Still no visa. He in his country, Filipino wife in Philippines. Never the twain shall meet.
ST, ST, when its all about ST, all is well. LT? Problems, problems.Saudi Arabia has approximately 14,000 Filipino OFWs who absconded and overstayed their visas. Many resort to selling ass and pussy to earn money. Approximately, 190,000 Flips are in the USA illegally. Filipinas dominate the "Asian porn" industry in the US, with fresh Filipina arrivals making appearances in an ever-growing catalogue of interracial gangbangs. They do not stop fucking after arriving in other countries. In fact, they fuck even more once in an environment filled with unlimited young cocks itching to taste Asian puss, which is in great demand and prized in the US. Even an unattractive young Filipina can write her ticket to wealth with her pussy, and many unload their older, homely, or obese sponsors to head for greener pastures.
In the USA, there are about 2 million Flips, 44% live in California. A horny monger has a much better chance of finding one to fuck him than he does of importing one on a tourist visa. Many Filipinas from wealthy families study at American universities on student visas, a single monger earning over $150,000 per year should have no problem finding one amenable to a beneficial arrangement. Once they arrive in Kano Land, Flip pussy prices skyrocket like Bitcoin going from $0. 06 in 2010 to $20,000 in 2017. Some mongers make the mistake of importing a Filipina thinking she will continue to fuck for peanuts.
I would just add that my now pinay wife was able to secure a 1 yr US tourist visa and then was able to secure a 10 year tourist visa while we were first "dating". Now she was an OCW working in Montreal and had also worked in Hong Kong when all this happened so that may have a lot to do with getting approved but I basically just wrote a simple letter each time and things went smoothly.
Been married 13 years now and my wife finally decided to apply for citizenship and has been waiting 18 months now. Green card is expired but due to the timeframe of her application for citizenship she has a stamp in her passport from ICE that makes her legal and she can still work and drive. Only thing she can't do is exit the USA until her citizenship goes thru.
According to the data from The Washington Post, in 2012, there were approximately 8.9 million illegal immigrants from North America; meaning Mexico and Central America. I can only assume the actual numbers in 2016 were higher due to the Obama administration's strategy to neuter Mexican border controls. 2.8 million are in California. Some actually vote because of relaxed vetting.
The illegal immigrants who entered the US legally from Africa is probably quite high too. The person that brought Ebola to Dallas had quit everything in his African home before bringing Ebola to Dallas, on what I assume is a tourist visa.
The US Chinese population would be much higher if it were not for the 100 year Chinese Exclusion Act which let anyone in the world enter the US and stay legally, except the Chinese. That is gaining traction again.
The illegal immigrants numbers from North America are also a little low. Daka and those that took advantage of the several amnesty programs over the half century were taken off. The US is fast approaching a 50% Hispanic population. And maybe bring some of the problems that plague their former home countries to the US.
Approximately, 190,000 Flips are in the USA illegally.
Saudi Arabia has approximately 14,000 Filipino OFWs who absconded and overstayed their visas. Many resort to selling ass and pussy to earn money. .....There was also a sizable contingent at the Kandahar Airfield in Afghanistan, inside the wire on the military base who had no documentation or means of ever leaving the base. You can guess how they were making a living. Some voluntary overstayed, some were abandoned when their employer did a runner. I'd assume that Bagram and Letherneck / Bastion, the other big ISAF bases, had a similar issue.
When I left there the rumour was that there would be a general amnesty with a free military flight out with assistance getting onward transport home from wherever the military flight took them. Not sure how that worked out but sooner or later someone was going to have to fly them out of there and help them get home.
I would just add that my now pinay wife was able to secure a 1 yr US tourist visa and then was able to secure a 10 year tourist visa while we were first "dating". .............................Yeh, that was many years ago. We are talking about now. Very different now, after thousands of them did not leave country before their visa expired.
Another friend of mine has spent 2 years to and fro, trying to get his long term sweetheart into his country. She made a small mistake on the visa application form. Authorities will jump on that. Any excuse to avoid issuing a visa to filipino's, who do not respect laws / rules. Foreigner must help girl friend fill in the visa form and preferably be in her presence when she submits it at Consulate / Embassy. My "2 year" friend was asked a bribe to ignore mistake on his sweethearts application form. He did not pay bribe, she did not get visa. Still trying 2 yrs down the track. He refuses to entertain bribing.
Another guy told me his girl friend was married to a pinoy (male flip). For a substantial bribe, Filipino embassy employee, helped foreigners girl friend submit visa application as a single woman. He told her to go to foreigners country and stay there. That is, not return to Philippines. She got the visa and left pinoy husband (trike driver, LOL) behind.
The visa 'monkey business' seems to take place in Manila Consulates / Embassies. Of course, trying to bribe a public official would carry a heavy prison sentence. Only consider if embassy employee initiates things along those lines. Best to meet him / her after work and plan the m. O. Including filling out the visa application in his presence, at the local coffee shop.
ST, ST. The ladies are programmed at birth for ST. Go with the flow, and blow blow blow, into that hoe, hoe, hoe.
Nice Guy 99
07-03-18, 00:42
Why doesn't he go visit her?She is now pushing him to do so based on the info you gentlemen provided.
You can get wheelchair and oxygen in flight and to curbside, I think. Hotel can assist from there and arrange. If that is what is needed. Quite a few have passed on with a smile while on RR trips. M.
She is now pushing him to do so based on the info you gentlemen provided.
Nice Guy 99
07-04-18, 06:28
You can get wheelchair and oxygen in flight and to curbside, I think. Hotel can assist from there and arrange. If that is what is needed. Quite a few have passed on with a smile while on RR trips. M.Not a positive contribution to the board, my friend. I really enjoy helping pinays who are not just looking for rip offs. I am extremely happy with my Asian wife and I am happy to facilitate others seeking the same arrangement. I wish you all the best.
Maybe you don't need it but others might and do. You will be surprised. Most cases drive to where they can get serviced. Easier if legal within driving distance.
As for the passing, check the Internet. Quite a few had to be shipped back. Not uncommon. Didn't quite have their boots on but not a bad way to go. Taking care of the woody at night and in the morning can lead to passing with a smile. Rockefeller did at night in his office. I know several young guys who passed at night or in the morning.
Not a positive contribution to the board, my friend. I really enjoy helping pinays who are not just looking for rip offs. I am extremely happy with my Asian wife and I am happy to facilitate others seeking the same arrangement. I wish you all the best.
Here are some quotes from the Internet as an example.
"The Netherlands is known for its social subsidies on everything from education to housing, but it's also subsidizing sex for the disabled. With prostitution legalized in the country, the government is boosting both the domestic sex economy and the intimate endeavors of its disabled citizens."
"Touching Base has a Referral List of disability-friendly sex service providers in Australia."
"Hand Angels" is a small Taiwanese NGO that advocates for what it calls sexual rights for disabled people. It has volunteers who have provided sexual "help" for a small number of disabled people.'
Google is your friend. Both for the question you were asking and for your criticism. Also look up "tampo" is you don't already know the signs and how to forecast.
Ray Charles was not famous just for his fingers.
Not a positive contribution to the board, my friend. I really enjoy helping pinays who are not just looking for rip offs. I am extremely happy with my Asian wife and I am happy to facilitate others seeking the same arrangement. I wish you all the best.
You can get wheelchair and oxygen in flight and to curbside, I think. Hotel can assist from there and arrange. If that is what is needed.
Maybe you don't need it but others might and do.
Wicked Roger
07-11-18, 06:50
While from the BBC and refers mainly to the UK and Europe it is a salutary warning to mongers. Seems this MG can be misdiagnosed and while Azithromycin can help the worry is it could become antibiotic resistant.
Good bedtime reading LOL.
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-44777938
Saudi Arabia has approximately 14,000 Filipino OFWs who absconded and overstayed their visas. Many resort to selling ass and pussy to earn money. Approximately, 190,000 Flips are in the USA illegally. It's actually takbo ng takbo which loosely means "on the run. " Also, undocumented Filipinos in the USA Number more like 300 K, and almost all came here legally on tourist visas, but then, over stayed taking under-the-table jobs. In fact, I know a takbo ng takbo pinoy who was a newscaster at Channel 9 in Manila. So, it is no wonder immigration officials are loathe to grants tourist visas to pinoys even if they have good jobs, a bank account, or even a home.
It's actually takbo ng takbo which loosely means "on the run. " Also, undocumented Filipinos in the USA Number more like 300 K, and almost all came here legally on tourist visas, but then, over stayed taking under-the-table jobs. In fact, I know a takbo ng takbo pinoy who was a newscaster at Channel 9 in Manila. So, it is no wonder immigration officials are loathe to grants tourist visas to pinoys even if they have good jobs, a bank account, or even a home.Who wouldn't jump ship? You can make minimum 8 times your Phil salary and feed your family. I would jump ship too.
As I pointed out before. The bulk of illegal immigrants 8.9 million are from countries bordering Mexico. I suspect things are going to change in the future. UK and China are pushing advancement in surveillance and facial recognition. US is resisting because certain groups feel targeted. Police were using camera scanners to scan license plates to find stolen or problem cars. Some jurisdictions had to stop that because certain groups felt targeted. Even though many stolen cars were recovered.
However, given the increase of hate crime, that might change. Many citizens have given their biometric information to join trusted traveller programs. The US is already capturing illegally so much information about its citizen that it could easily start looking for undocumented persons. But it has chosen not to. The capabilities are amazing if you see how the circle around DT had been filtered out and detailed conversations and information were captured. And they worry about about China. UK and US are already do it.
The world is funny. Recently a refugee from Africa was given French citizenship for scaling up several balconies to save a child. No one asked the politically incorrect question as to where the person developed or honed this skill.
IMHO, the 300 K filipino who want to work in the US is not a problem. There are occasional amnesty programs that will legalize them. The should be more fear about those who are disillusioned about the American dream and turn against it. Like the West Point Officer.
It's actually takbo ng takbo which loosely means "on the run. " Also, undocumented Filipinos in the USA Number more like 300 K, and almost all came here legally on tourist visas, but then, over stayed taking under-the-table jobs. In fact, I know a takbo ng takbo pinoy who was a newscaster at Channel 9 in Manila. So, it is no wonder immigration officials are loathe to grants tourist visas to pinoys even if they have good jobs, a bank account, or even a home.
Wicked Roger
07-12-18, 23:37
IMHO, the 300 K filipino who want to work in the US is not a problem. There are occasional amnesty programs that will legalize them. The should be more fear about those who are disillusioned about the American dream and turn against it. Like the West Point Officer.Many illegals work hard am sure but they are illegal nevertheless.
The point about the West Point officer is valid and more of a worry for many. And never forget the true blue Americans who think Puerto Rico is not part of the USA (LOL. Recent TV and media reports), those in the panhandles and mountains who think their grandmother is their girlfriend / wife and the goat and horse the lover LOL. I would be worried about those idiots who are more likely to do harm IMHO then many others because they are 'American' and see the current leader as someone who supports their 'ambitions' LOL.
Chocha Monger
07-13-18, 00:37
As I pointed out before. The bulk of illegal immigrants 8.9 million are from countries bordering Mexico. I suspect things are going to change in the future. UK and China are pushing advancement in surveillance and facial recognition. US is resisting because certain groups feel targeted. Police were using camera scanners to scan license plates to find stolen or problem cars. Some jurisdictions had to stop that because certain groups felt targeted. Even though many stolen cars were recovered.
However, given the increase of hate crime, that might change. Many citizens have given their biometric information to join trusted traveller programs. The US is already capturing illegally so much information about its citizen that it could easily start looking for undocumented persons. But it has chosen not to. The capabilities are amazing if you see how the circle around DT had been filtered out and detailed conversations and information were captured..The concern about random facial scanning to identify people in crowds comes in a large part from authoritarian countries like China using it identify dissidents and other "enemies of the state" in crowds in order to apprehend them for a little re-education. Chinese citizens also receive brownie points from the authoritarian party leaders based on certain behaviors who manage the bewildered population. No group in the US wants Chinese-style mass surveillance and social control. The corporations that deploy maintain and harvest data from these mass surveillance systems tout crime prevention, as a means of securing public consent and support to implement their unrestricted use.
Once this Chinese-style facial recognition social program goes into control, say goodbye to anonymous mongering trips to the Philippines. It would be silly to think that the government would limit surveillance of its citizens to within its borders when knowing what they are up to abroad is much more valuable in determining who is a "terrorist" or a sexual deviant traveling across international borders to break laws. It would not be hard for them to scan footage of pedestrian traffic and crowds in places of interest to mongers. Then identify mongers, their movements, and various consorts. Upon their return home facial scanning can identify them for secondary inspection and interrogation. The authorities may even have a warrant prepared to detain the monger based on surveillance data.
However, no one will steal cars anymore or commit hate crimes. The facial surveillance and crime prevention system will identify any man staring at a woman's posterior or chest for more than three seconds as a sexual harasser, and dispatch the nearest police unit to neutralize and detain the offender.
With such wonderful facial recognition systems to keep people on their best behavior in China, one has to wonder why Chinese are paying $70,000 per head to jump the border from Mexico into the US. Maybe, Americans see these Chinese running away from China and its excellence surveillance systems and are having second thoughts about supporting a nanny state. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-chinese-border-california-20160607-snap-story.html.
If these surveillance systems become widespread, the insurance and human resources industries will pay good money to learn about all the risky behaviors of their clients and job applicants. For example, someone identified in a facial surveillance scan with prostitutes or in an area that prostitutes frequent may suddenly find his health insurance premiums increased. Similarly, employers may reject his job applications in spite of his excellence credentials and experience without any explanation.
It's actually takbo ng takbo which loosely means "on the run. " Also, undocumented Filipinos in the USA Number more like 300 K, and almost all came here legally on tourist visas, but then, over stayed taking under-the-table jobs. In fact, I know a takbo ng takbo pinoy who was a newscaster at Channel 9 in Manila. So, it is no wonder immigration officials are loathe to grants tourist visas to pinoys even if they have good jobs, a bank account, or even a home.You've got it wrong Doc.
It's "tago ng tago" not "takbo ng takbo".
Those filipino / as who do this f*ck it up for everyone else as you said. It makes immigration officials think that all filipinos are going to go tago ng tago.
If you are going to quote tagalog, at least get the quote right.
Many illegals work hard am sure but they are illegal nevertheless.
.....They go to the US because Americans can break their own laws with impunity on HIRING the illegals. Spend as much effort on the Americans who break their own laws in giving jobs to illegals and the problem will be solved. It is simple but much easier to shift the blame on "others".
Of course when this was tried the crops rotted in the fields.
Eszpresszo
07-14-18, 02:32
Of course when this was tried the crops rotted in the fields.And when exactly was that?
Wicked Roger
07-14-18, 06:08
They go to the US because Americans can break their own laws with impunity on HIRING the illegals. Spend as much effort on the Americans who break their own laws in giving jobs to illegals and the problem will be solved. It is simple but much easier to shift the blame on "others".
Of course when this was tried the crops rotted in the fields.There is the rub KG. Some western countries find the younger generation have an entitlement issue and think some jobs are beneath them. In Saudi I would interview locals who when asked what job they wanted the reply was 'manager' LOL. Same with some millennial. I have never found pinoys I work with lazy, more they are hard working diligent and on time (unlike others. On time when NOT in the Philippines mind you LOL).
Some western employers are urging their government to free up visas as they can't find good local hires. This is UK and Australia where there has been a shortage of good people for some areas. Am sure he same in the USA.
Wicked Roger
07-14-18, 06:39
http://cebudailynews.inquirer.net/184295/mcia-suspend-midnight-8-m-flights-september-give-way-15-day-runway-repair
So chose appropriate flights but expect more delays.
Chocha Monger
07-14-18, 07:35
Many illegals work hard am sure but they are illegal nevertheless.
The point about the West Point officer is valid and more of a worry for many. And never forget the true blue Americans who think Puerto Rico is not part of the USA (LOL. Recent TV and media reports), those in the panhandles and mountains who think their grandmother is their girlfriend / wife and the goat and horse the lover LOL. I would be worried about those idiots who are more likely to do harm IMHO then many others because they are 'American' and see the current leader as someone who supports their 'ambitions' LOL.The kids who saw their parents' American dream turn into a nightmare during the Great Recession of 2007-09 have now come of age, and many see the American dream as nothing more than a myth of opportunity that bankers and corporate CEOs used to exploit their parents. It is not surprising that they reject the system or even intend to tear it down. They make decisions not based on the American dream but rather the American reality, that of the precarious proletariat.
Hence, they avoid mortgages, marriage, parenthood, dinner dates, and anything that compels them to seek employment on unfavorable terms. The people outraged at the "communist" West Point officer fail to see the irony behind their emotions. They hate communism and consider it a threat. However, they have no problem purchasing products made in a communist country by communists working under horrible unsafe conditions. They patronize companies that put money into the pockets of communist governments through the offshoring of American jobs and manufacturing. American politicians created policies that put American workers in direct competition with the most wretched workers under communism. All of this is due to greed for more corporate profits.
The West Point officer may be a strategic prodigy like Ender Wiggin in the book Ender's Game. His statement that "Communism will win" may actually be a warning to Americans rather than a declaration of support for communist governance. Perhaps, he has seen the some of the sheep in the flock happily doing business with the wolves while bleating, "Wolves are baaad!
And when exactly was that?Georga is one example. The article was published in 2012 and refers to last year so 2011.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/#4 de1717492 aa.
To forgo a repeat of last year, when labor shortages triggered an estimated $140 million in agricultural losses, as crops rotted in the fields, officials in Georgia are now dispatching prisoners to the states farms to help harvest fruit and vegetables.
The labor shortages, which also have affected the hotel and restaurant industries, are a consequence of Georgias immigration enforcement law, HB 87, which was passed last year. As State Rep. Matt Ramsey, one of the bills authors, said at the time, Our goal is to eliminate incentives for illegal aliens to cross into our state.
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The dirty secret that everybody knew was that most of the states agricultural workers were immigrants, many of them illegal. Some lived in the state; others migrated with the harvest from southern Florida up to New York and back. Some of the former have moved away, while many of the latter are bypassing Georgia. Without them, according to a University of Georgia study, farmers were about 40 percent short of the number of workers they needed to harvest last years crop.
Those filipino / as who do this f*ck it up for everyone else as you said. It makes immigration officials think that all filipinos are going to go tago ng tago.And yet the Philippines is the rare (visa free) country into which you can't enter without showing the ticket out and onward. Must be so many foreigners going to go tago ng tago.
I don't know what you are smoking but it must be good and I need to get some.
UK started putting cameras up in the 1990's.
"In 2005, Britain already had as many as 4 million surveillance cameras, whose use as a crime-fighting tool had been encouraged by authorities since the 1990's. Tony Porter, Britain's surveillance camera commissioner, says the number today could be 6 million." (as of 2015).
"Video surveillance of Austin bomber Mark Anthony Conditt helped authorities identify him and track him down. According to an article by SDM magazine, NBC News in Round Rock, Texas reported that it is one of the few states with facial recognition technology that allows officials to check images from surveillance footage against a database of driver's licenses, which helped Texas authorities identify and locate Conditt. CBS Austin released footage of Conditt at an Austin FedEx store where he was wearing a wig, baseball cap, and gloves when dropping off packages on March 18,2018. One of the packages later exploded at a FedEx sorting facility, the second was intercepted near the Austin airport."
And from the Telegram "Barack Obama approved tapping Angela Merkel's phone 3 years ago" in 2010. That is old tech by now.
The West Point officer may be a strategic prodigy like Ender Wiggin in the book Ender's Game. His statement that "Communism will win" may actually be a warning to Americans rather than a declaration of support for communist governance.
The concern about random facial scanning to identify people in crowds comes in a large part from authoritarian countries like ChinaWe are already there. Satellite images are used to find homeowners who do not declare their swimming pools to insurance companies.
If these surveillance systems become widespread, the insurance and human resources industries will pay good money to learn about all the risky behaviors of their clients and job applicants. For example, someone identified in a facial surveillance scan with prostitutes or in an area that prostitutes frequent may suddenly find his health insurance premiums increased. Similarly, employers may reject his job applications in spite of his excellence credentials and experience without any explanation.Google is your friend. Or is it your big brother. Google that one too. About Glasses and facial recognition. The company is a leader is several technologies in that area, on top of the information being stored from your Android phone and Internet behavior. It is already being used. Have you heard of Facebook and some recent problems it faced?
Also from the WSJ "Companies are working with departments to develop body cameras that could identify faces in real time" for the police. That is retail.
And yet the Philippines is the rare (visa free) country into which you can't enter without showing the ticket out and onward. Must be so many foreigners going to go tago ng tago.
I have been asked for my onward ticket going to Haiti, the DR, UAE and believe it or not into the USA from Europe. (I'm Canadian.). With the easy availability of refundable or extremely low cost tickets ( for example lots of flights on Expedia.com are fully refundable in 24 hours or low cost $35 tickets Manila to HK on Air Asia), it is becoming a requirement that is easy to get around.
Take a look at the travel requirements, most countries have an onward or return ticket requirement for tourist entry, it is just that the Philippine bound airlines do enforce it more than others. I suspect with the US crack down on illegal immigration that we will see this starting to become more common for USA bound travel.
What I have noticed in a lot of cases, not only airlines, is that people here are very scared of being caught making a mistake that they overcompensate in enforcing the rules. Perhaps one airline had to pay to relocate a denied entry tourist and now all Philippine bound airlines have taken enforcement to the extreme? Perhaps the airline tried to make the employee pay the fine?
The interesting thing is that I have never been asked at customs / immigration for an onward ticket anywhere. Other than airline staff has anyone been asked by a government official?
AussieGaigin
07-15-18, 03:17
The interesting thing is that I have never been asked at customs / immigration for an onward ticket anywhere. Other than airline staff has anyone been asked by a government official?I think that travel IT these days is so interlocked, that immigration people can check your past movements and forward bookings from your passport numbers. You are only likely to be "profiled" for interrogation if there are any suspicious activities in your history.
Mr Enternational
07-15-18, 03:43
The interesting thing is that I have never been asked at customs / immigration for an onward ticket anywhere. Other than airline staff has anyone been asked by a government official?They don't need to ask. The airline asks. If immigration happens to ask and you don't have one, then it is a big fine for the airline. I think they do have to type the reservation of your onward flight into the system before it will let them check you in.
They don't need to ask. The airline asks. If immigration happens to ask and you don't have one, then it is a big fine for the airline.I need to work out how to game the system to get a free trip home. . . LOL.
I often receive a 30 day visa at NAIA when my departure flight is in 40 or 50 days, no questions asked upon departure nor arrival.
I once simply forgot to extend my visa and was stopped at the immigration desk. All I had to do was pay for the extension there and then and there was no delay to my departure nor any issues upon upon reentry for my next trip.
Wicked Roger
07-15-18, 10:23
I need to work out how to game the system to get a free trip home. . . LOL.
I often receive a 30 day visa at NAIA when my departure flight is in 40 or 50 days, no questions asked upon departure nor arrival.
I once simply forgot to extend my visa and was stopped at the immigration desk. All I had to do was pay for the extension there and then and there was no delay to my departure nor any issues upon upon reentry for my next trip.You can be given a 59 day visa at immigration at some ports of entry and I got a 12 month one when with my pinay who told the officer we were married!
I have been asked for my onward ticket by airlines all over Asia when travelling to the Philippines. Once Emirates asked me and said 'sorry sir as we can see you have a return with EK later in the month and never again.
There are web site where you can 'buy' return tickets and show the person at the counter also. Done this as have friends. As no one has access at the check in counter or immigration to another airline's system and the person see the hard copy and is OK.
But the Philippines is the only country I have experienced which enforces this 'show me the ticket' policy which catches some people out when they are asked at passport control.
Is like 'Welcome to the Philippines. When are you leaving' tourism strategy LOL.
You can be given a 59 day visa at immigration at some ports of entry.Which ports? I've always been told that an extension cannot be granted immediately upon arrival.
I haven't worried a lot about it as I always extend my visa at small regional Immigration offices which are surprisingly quick and painless when compared to the horror stories of using the head offices in Manila or Cebu.
Im asked for my onward ticket by airlines all over Asia when travelling to the Philippines. Once Emirates asked me and said 'sorry sir as we can see you have a return with EK later in the month and never again.
But the Philippines is the only country I have experienced which enforces this 'show me the ticket' policy which catches some people out when they are asked at passport control.I quite often fly to PI via Indonesia and stay there a couple of weeks on the way across. At home I'm often asked to show the Bali Manila flight (on another airline) at boarding time to prove that I won't be over staying. I don't know why but I'm never asked by airlines nor arriving immigration about onward tickets once I leave home. This is even when I'm techniclally in breach of entry requirements, intending to extend my visa once I'm in country. I'm guessing a passport full of visa stamps reassures them that I won't over stay.
Interestingly, I once planned to stay in Indonesia longer and pre paid for an extended visa. The check in girl obviously had this in the airline system as this time she didn't ask about my late return flight nor rifle through my passport looking for a preapproved visa. I tend to agree with the earlier poster about the immigration and airline systems sharing information.
They don't need to ask. The airline asks. If immigration happens to ask and you don't have one, then it is a big fine for the airline. I think they do have to type the reservation of your onward flight into the system before it will let them check you in.If you are denied entry to a country then it is the airline's responsibility to bare the cost of your removal from the country. Pretty sure they then charge you for the problem.
Wicked Roger
07-16-18, 00:53
Which ports? I've always been told that an extension cannot be granted immediately upon arrival.
I haven't worried a lot about it as I always extend my visa at small regional Immigration offices which are surprisingly quick and painless when compared to the horror stories of using the head offices in Manila or Cebu.
I quite often fly to PI via Indonesia and stay there a couple of weeks on the way across. At home I'm often asked to show the Bali Manila flight (on another airline) at boarding time to prove that I won't be over staying. I don't know why but I'm never asked by airlines nor arriving immigration about onward tickets once I leave home. This is even when I'm techniclally in breach of entry requirements, intending to extend my visa once I'm in country. I'm guessing a passport full of visa stamps reassures them that I won't over stay.
Interestingly, I once planned to stay in Indonesia longer and pre paid for an extended visa. The check in girl obviously had this in the airline system as this time she didn't ask about my late return flight nor rifle through my passport looking for a preapproved visa. I tend to agree with the earlier poster about the immigration and airline systems sharing information.Got mine at Manila but the hassle was a long wait etc and then to the queue to pass through passport control. Cebu in JMall was easy but then I get there at 830 am and I am one of first with my form prepared (no filling it in at the office etc) and I was out by 930 am somedays.
I have used fake return tickets at the check in other Asian airports (as have many others I know) - you an get them cheap from a web site. And just show the hard copy. No checks at all and was easy. Same at passport control in the Philippines (but only ever asked 2 times in my life).
I think that travel IT these days is so interlocked, that immigration people can check your past movements and forward bookings from your passport numbers. You are only likely to be "profiled" for interrogation if there are any suspicious activities in your history.I'd really like to know how interlocked it is. What can your home country, the country you are visiting and a third country see about your past travels? Can it be seen by non Customs and Immigration people, I. E. Other government departments like the tax man? How about non government people being able to hack it? I am active on other boards and on the travel ones this question comes up often with no straight answer only guesses.
I know Canada and the US are tightly integrated and they share info on the shared border but what about my flying into the US from a third world country or be why land from Mexico? Does Canada know about it? (I an Canadian remember.) How about an American flying into Canada from a third country?
I spent 9 years in Afghanistan, with multiple trips into Dubai as well as a couple into Pakistan, Indonesia here and a few other places. On my old passport with all the stamps I was always hassled at US customs and usually asked a few additional questions at other places. All that stopped when that passport expired and I was issued a new one. I don't know if the questions came because of the physical evidence of my travels in my passport or something showed up on the computer. I think it was physical evidence otherwise the computer would have showed that I worked for the US government as a contractor and had a security clearance and lots of access to the military bases there. Lots of times they typed my responses into their computer so they could just have been confirming what was shown.
I'd really like to know how interlocked it is. What can your home country, the country you are visiting and a third country see about your past travels? Can it be seen by non Customs and Immigration people, I. E. Other government departments like the tax man? How about non government people being able to hack it? I am active on other boards and on the travel ones this question comes up often with no straight answer only guesses.
<SNIP> On my last trip into Australia the immigration guy, completely out of the blue, asked me how I enjoyed Mongolia (where I had been working some 2 months earlier). This was using a brand new replacement passport that had only my Philippines departure stamp showing in it.
Quite obviously, my past travels popped up on the screen in front of him, so I would surmise that if an immigration agent is interested he or she can easily check where you have been from the records on the computer. Of course, I don't know if the Australian agent could also check USA or other countries' records. My guess would be that the whole system has tentacles everywhere now per Interpol or some other link.
It doesn't concern me too much because I never infringe visa or other travel requirements.
WestCoast1
07-16-18, 07:01
Quite obviously, my past travels popped up on the screen in front of him, so I would surmise that if an immigration agent is interested he or she can easily check where you have been from the records on the computer. Of course, I don't know if the Australian agent could also check USA or other countries' records. My guess would be that the whole system has tentacles everywhere now per Interpol or some other link.I think I mentioned it either here, or in the Mexico threads some years back. I walked back into the US from Mexico at a border crossing. A night of drinking and debauchery with a buddy, and somehow we got split up. I was coming thru when there was light foot traffic. The Immigration officer (a fat lady) swiped my passport. She asked some of the usual questions without taking her eyes from the computer screen. "Did you attend XXX XXXXXXXXX University?" Yes, yes I did. How did you know that? "What year did you graduate?" I told her. She asked a few more questions about the college. She had the information on her computer. She said the agents have access to a number of databases. Its a bit un-nerving what they have access to.
On my last trip into Australia the immigration guy, completely out of the blue, asked me how I enjoyed Mongolia (where I had been working some 2 months earlier). This was using a brand new replacement passport that had only my Philippines departure stamp showing in it.Australia no longer issues physical arrival and departure stamps in passports and is a couple of years away from paperless entry amd exit. If you want proof of your prior travel, you contact the Immigration Dept for a printout of your Movement Report so yes, I have no doubt that arrival agents have a list of your movements on the screen in front of them. Exactly how they identify intermediate countries (eg PI via Singapore) I'm not sure but it would not surprise me to find that they can.
Quite obviously, my past travels popped up on the screen in front of him, so I would surmise that if an immigration agent is interested he or she can easily check where you have been from the records on the computer. Of course, I don't know if the Australian agent could also check USA or other countries' records. My guess would be that the whole system has tentacles everywhere now per Interpol or some other link.
It doesn't concern me too much because I never infringe visa or other travel requirements.I once had a neighbour that worked for Customs and his job was to profile packages and people so that their resources would be best spent when "random" checks were performed. He never went into details but left me with the impression he had a wide range of information sources.
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It doesn't concern me too much because I never infringe visa or other travel requirements.I also am not that concerned, as I too never mess with any travel requirements or lie to an immigration official. What does concern me is the fact that as the databases get more and more linked that someone could put together a very clear picture of what you have done, almost on a daily basis for the last few years.
Relational data bases can be linked by a lot of different things. For example if you ever entered your passport number, say on an airline booking site, then your passport number can become linked to the IMEI number on your phone, then you can be tracked to location anywhere in the world. Some even say that the tracking can occur if your phone is turned off and the battery installed. Your posts here could also be tracked by the IMEI number.
Pay for that flight with your credit card, then all your travels, both locally and internationally, can be tracked by anyone having your passport number.
So you enter a third country, they scan your passport and see that you were just on P. Burgos Street a few nights ago as he is reading your FR about your exploits. Some places and some people take a dim view of people doing that sort of thing. So he asks you in front of your wife how you liked your threesome.
I am also a little concerned about identity theft from all this linked info. Sometimes the links can include sufficient information to discern your security questions. What is your mother's maiden name? How often is that asked here? How often is it used as a security question?
I had my Canadian bank accounts hacked a few months ago. It took over a month to regain full control over my funds. I did not lose any money. I was lucky I had just transferred several months living to my Philippine account. Had I not done that I could have been hard up for ready funds here outside of cash advances on my credit cards with high interest rates.
With the loss of privacy that the internet can bring along with all the benefits, we can expect more and more of that sort of thing in the future.
With the easy availability of refundable or extremely low cost tickets ( for example lots of flights on Expedia.com are fully refundable in 24 hours or low cost $35 tickets Manila to HK on Air Asia), it is becoming a requirement that is easy to get around?Why go through that inconvenience? All I've been doing is booking reward travel with my United 1 k, and cancelling if or when I need to. Having been to 175 countries, and having boarded flights to the philippines from all continents, it's clear to me that airlines insist on the return or onward tickets from the philippines more consistently than anywhere else (except maybe the solomon islands).
Not aimed at you specifically WC. I don't know where most of the posters hail from but I was asked those type of information for ID check by various financial institutions when doing telephone inquiries 20 plus years ago. They were asking information not supplied by me. They even dumbed it down further by making it multiple choice.
I think retinal scans are used by some countries. I am not sure. But those pictures US border control takes of you are not because you are so handsome. And there is not an option to opt out.
I think I mentioned it either here, or in the Mexico threads some years back. I walked back into the US from Mexico at a border crossing. A night of drinking and debauchery with a buddy, and somehow we got split up. I was coming thru when there was light foot traffic. The Immigration officer (a fat lady) swiped my passport. She asked some of the usual questions without taking her eyes from the computer screen. "Did you attend XXX XXXXXXXXX University?" Yes, yes I did. How did you know that? "What year did you graduate?" I told her. She asked a few more questions about the college. She had the information on her computer. She said the agents have access to a number of databases. Its a bit un-nerving what they have access to.
I have a few questions regarding BI letting Pinay out of the country.
I will be flying to Hong Kong with a Pinay friend. She is single in her late 20's with 2 children, has had her passport for 4 years and never exit the Philippines. We will be in Hong Kong for a few days and returning.
I have read about some problems about BI letting girls out.
1. Is the Cebu airport worst or better than the Manila airport in going thru immigration for Pinays?
2. We will have some pictures proving our friendship going back 3 years. Anything else we might need?
3. What travel papers will she need?
Thanks in advance for your help in this.
IMHO, you with her and her having 2 kids and late 20's are good enough for both sides. Hotel reservation (you) and return ticket (hers) comes to mind. I have not tried, but I have been considering getting these prepaid Credit / Debit cards as show for pinay's wallet. Also as backup. There is a monthly charge and I assume can be cancelled without penalties. Used to use double signature travellers checks when I used to get them for free. Think they are still out there because I got one as payment. LOL
I have a few questions regarding BI letting Pinay out of the country.
I will be flying to Hong Kong with a Pinay friend. She is single in her late 20's with 2 children, has had her passport for 4 years and never exit the Philippines. We will be in Hong Kong for a few days and returning.
I have read about some problems about BI letting girls out.
Think her passport must be valid at least 6-9 month from scheduled return date. If she was red flagged or denied on another passport, there could be problems.
her passport for 4 years and never exit the Philippines.
I have a few questions regarding BI letting Pinay out of the country.
I will be flying to Hong Kong with a Pinay friend. She is single in her late 20's with 2 children, has had her passport for 4 years and never exit the Philippines. We will be in Hong Kong for a few days and returning.
I have read about some problems about BI letting girls out.
1. Is the Cebu airport worst or better than the Manila airport in going thru immigration for Pinays?
2. We will have some pictures proving our friendship going back 3 years. Anything else we might need?
3. What travel papers will she need?
Thanks in advance for your help in this.When you write "I will be flying to Hong Kong with a Pinay friend", does that mean that.
- the both of you are leaving PH together and.
- the both of you are arriving into HK also together?
That is how I did it with my GF and there was no trouble at either end. Just have to show the HK hotel where you are stayng and also they may ask for her return flight.
Not sure of your nationality, but with my US passport there was no issues of us coming together.
Good luck.
Wicked Roger
07-20-18, 13:48
I have a few questions regarding BI letting Pinay out of the country.
I will be flying to Hong Kong with a Pinay friend. She is single in her late 20's with 2 children, has had her passport for 4 years and never exit the Philippines. We will be in Hong Kong for a few days and returning.
I have read about some problems about BI letting girls out.
1. Is the Cebu airport worst or better than the Manila airport in going thru immigration for Pinays?
2. We will have some pictures proving our friendship going back 3 years. Anything else we might need?
3. What travel papers will she need?
Thanks in advance for your help in this.Is said that Cebu is tougher DG but I never see that in practice. Best PM me as I have ideas and is long list to overcome issues as despite having a family and kids plus photos the passport person can be a prat or worse!
When you write "I will be flying to Hong Kong with a Pinay friend", does that mean that.
- the both of you are leaving PH together and.
- the both of you are arriving into HK also together?
That is how I did it with my GF and there was no trouble at either end. Just have to show the HK hotel where you are stayng and also they may ask for her return flight.
Not sure of your nationality, but with my US passport there was no issues of us coming together.
Good luck.Yes and yes.
Which airport did you fly out of?
Thanks.
I have a few questions regarding BI letting Pinay out of the country.
I will be flying to Hong Kong with a Pinay friend. She is single in her late 20's with 2 children, has had her passport for 4 years and never exit the Philippines. We will be in Hong Kong for a few days and returning..I took a 30 ish girl to HK, few out of CRK. I did put p5 k into her purse for her to have as ready cash. We went through outgoing immigration separately.
It is a Philippines "republic" which is supposed ot allow their people the right to leave. Perhaps if the officials of the country made it a better placee to live, then more of their citizens would return.
Yes and yes.
Which airport did you fly out of?
Thanks.We flew out of Nino Aquino International Airport (NAIA). Since we had to go through separate channels in Imigation (Foreign and Filipino), actually the Customs officer came out of here booth to check with me if we were together. I said yes and away we went. No major problem.
Good luck.
The largest export of PI are its people to fuel global work forces. Because of foreign pressures against [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), I think age restrictions are imposed. They can sell their body and soul but cannot sell their pussy.
It is a Philippines "republic" which is supposed ot allow their people the right to leave. Perhaps if the officials of the country made it a better placee to live, then more of their citizens would return.
PedroMorales
07-22-18, 08:49
I took a 30 ish girl to HK, few out of CRK. I did put p5 k into her purse for her to have as ready cash. We went through outgoing immigration separately.
It is a Philippines "republic" which is supposed ot allow their people the right to leave. Perhaps if the officials of the country made it a better placee to live, then more of their citizens would return.Perhaps if the USA had not invaded in 1898 and robbed the place blind, it would be richer. When Singapore was founded, Lee Kuan Yew said he wanted it to be the new Philippines of Asia.
When people from poor countries disembark, they are often asked to show means of support and, if they don't have it, they are sent home, often at the expense of the air line. That being so, it makes sense to check in advance.
Many reports that I read mention how bad traffic is in Manila. Occurred to me to check out Google maps traffic information (shows the typical traffic for different days of the week and times). Was an eyeopener (red is bad, green is good). Pretty much any hotel around the LA cafe / Manila area is bumper to bumper until later in the evening. I looks like the traffic around the EDSA complex is usually moving along. Same around the greenbelt mall area. The map is showing typical traffic on a Wednesday around 530 pm. Traffic to and from Burgos street doesn't get really bad until 7 pm in the evening but it stays that way well into the evening.
Member #4698
07-22-18, 18:42
Many reports that I read mention how bad traffic is in Manila. Occurred to me to check out Google maps traffic information (shows the typical traffic for different days of the week and times). Was an eyeopener (red is bad, green is good). Pretty much any hotel around the LA cafe / Manila area is bumper to bumper until later in the evening. I looks like the traffic around the EDSA complex is usually moving along. Same around the greenbelt mall area. The map is showing typical traffic on a Wednesday around 530 pm. Traffic to and from Burgos street doesn't get really bad until 7 pm in the evening but it stays that way well into the evening.Getting around Metro Manila in prime time is rough. This is why I usually stay in a hotel in Malate or Pasay when I want to focus on EDSA (and possibly Robinson Mall & LA Cafe) and a hotel in Makati when I want to focus on Burgos et al. At 9 pm it takes 30 minutes at best and usually longer to travel by taxi the distance from Greenbelt to the EDSA Entertainment Complex or vice-a-versa. At the same time it only takes 7 or 8 minutes to travel from LA Cafe to EDSA or to travel from Burgos St. To the Greenbelt Mall. Don't even ask me how long it takes to travel by taxi from Makati over to Quezon Ave at 8pm. LOL. A long time!
On my last trip I was in and out of MNL a couple of times. I stayed for 4 nights at the Hyatt City of Dreams Hotel and 10 nights (5 nights each) at the Fairmont and Peninsula Hotels. After a couple initial visits to Plan B and the Cotton Club, I made arrangements with my respective bar girls there in addition to my Bottoms Bar long time regular dynamic duo to visit me wherever I was staying. My motto is let the girls deal with the traffic while I relax in the hotel unless I am looking for new.
Perhaps if the USA had not invaded in 1898 and robbed the place blind, it would be richer. When Singapore was founded, Lee Kuan Yew said he wanted it to be the new Philippines of Asia.
When people from poor countries disembark, they are often asked to show means of support and, if they don't have it, they are sent home, often at the expense of the air line. That being so, it makes sense to check in advance.Can you please elaborate (tell) on how USA robbed Philippines blind in 1898? And since then if that is what you are saying?
How do you check in advance if airlines only open check in counters 2-3 hours before the flight? There only 2 points you can be sent back. Leaving Philippines at BI and immigration at distination point. Please explain what you mean here.
Mr Enternational
07-22-18, 22:57
Perhaps if the USA had not invaded in 1898 and robbed the place blind, it would be richer.Finally I am disagreeing with PM about something. Just because someone is sitting on resources, does not mean they know how to use them to their advantage or to turn a profit. Diamonds were sitting in Kimberly Mill for 1 million years. What were the natives doing with them? Shit. DeBeers comes along and started tricking the whole world into buying clear rocks for astronomical prices and everyone wants to talk about how the natives were robbed blind.
WestCoast1
07-22-18, 23:15
Its been over a week of continued tropical depression, heavy winds and rain. Traffic is its usual bad self 9 am-9 pm-ish, and the flooding / rains haven't helped. More than half my taxi drivers are not running a meter. They aren't being snotty or making a big money grab. At the end of the ride I just hand them what I think the trip would normally cost, and only one argued for more. On the way from the airport to my condo I noticed no meter. "Sir what did you pay last time taxi to Malate?" 180. "OK, 180 is ok to you?" Ya, sure. Gave him 200 and everyone was happy. Its been like that quite a bit. One driver said that the meter was mostly meaningless in heavy traffic where rides are made longer by flooding. "I go from Malate to Mandaluyong in afternoon its an hour and 280 on the meter. Thats crazy sir it will cost me that much to operate this taxi because fuel cost. Meter is wrong for long fare. Working for nothing". I understand.
Snotty driver. Took taxi in rain one night with my girl from my condo to Calle 5 (Mabini, I think). Trip time: 3 minutes. No meter. Handed the driver p100, asked for p50 back. If there had been a meter, the cost would have been < p50. He took the 100 and sat still. My girl said to him: "You give 50 back". He sat still. She got mad and started in on him. I grabbed her arm and shushed her. We all sat quietly for about 30 seconds. "F*ck! Ok!" he handed me 50 and we departed. Arguing with the driver won't help your cause. OTOH, he can't get another fare until you depart his taxi.
Had several good Grab rides at low cost. Went from my condo in Malate to Knightsbridge in Makati. Stated Grab cost on my phone: P255. Good deal, nice driver, good convo, and he hoisted some heavy stuff in / out of the vehicle. P100 tip and everyone was happy. Interestingly on the way to Knightsbridge, he got his next Grab fare from? Knightsbridge right back to my condo in Malate.
How do you check in advance if airlines only open check in counters 2-3 hours before the flight? There only 2 points you can be sent back. Leaving Philippines at BI and immigration at distination point.Check in on line, as early as a week in advance with some airlines, and then just do a bag drop at airport. Note, once checked in, you can't make ticket change or get refund should your travel plans change.
Just because someone is sitting on resources, does not mean they know how to use them to their advantage or to turn a profit.'turning a profit' and using the proceeds to benefit the people are two different things, homie. The plantation system, for example, turned some of the richest profits in ante-bellum America but only for a certain class (and color) of people, who knew how to use slave labor resources to their advantage.
Check in on line, as early as a week in advance with some airlines, and then just do a bag drop at airport. Sounds good in theory but for Cebu Pacific the bag drop lines are as long as the regular check-in lines.
I have had this debate with them already. There should be an advantage for those using advance check-in. At present, there is very little.
Mr Enternational
07-23-18, 07:13
'turning a profit' and using the proceeds to benefit the people are two different things, homie. The plantation system, for example, turned some of the richest profits in ante-bellum America but only for a certain class (and color) of people, who knew how to use slave labor resources to their advantage.But we are talking about the real world here. The place where the proceeds are used to benefit people other than those that obtained the proceeds does not exist. Communism attempts to do it, but we still see those that run everything living swell, while the common folk are scrounging.
So back to the original argument. Even if the US had not taken whatever PM alludes to from the Philippines way back when, the chances that your average bar girl, fisherman, or farmer would be benefiting from it today (or even back then) are no doubt nil.
Like I said, nobody was thinking about those diamonds until DeBeers figured out how to profit from them. Then all of a sudden they are in the wrong. But you realize how worthless they really are when you try to sell them back to the person you bought them from. Diamonds ain't shit without the marketing behind them. They can give the whole damn mine back to the natives, but that does not mean they will know how to market it in order to get something from it.
But we are talking about the real world here. The place where the proceeds are used to benefit people other than those that obtained the proceeds does not exist. Communism attempts to do it, but we still see those that run everything living swell, while the common folk are scrounging t.You are talking about your world, homie: the place of some Hobbesian ghetto, where Capitalism pretends to do it, but we still see those that run everything living well, while the common folks are scroungeing.
Note: refer yourself to Norwegian Sovereign Wealth Fund.
Anyone who has spend anytime in Asia inevitably muses to the effect the various colonizers had on their respective domains: Consider Malaysia viz-a-viz adjacent Indonesia; the French domains; independent Thailand, etc. And anyone has obviously noted more similarities between the Philippines and Central America than with Asia.
Perhaps if the USA had not invaded in 1898 and robbed the place blind, it would be richer.I presume a product of the American educational system, yeah?
The Yanks weren't stealing people, and Intramuros is still around, so they weren't stealing massive building blocks. The Philippines manufactured almost nothing other than sails, rigging lines, copra, coconut shell products, and gauze. It had agricultural goods, and the US was (and still is) amongst the world's most productive in this sector. Mostly what the Spanish needed and got from the Philippines was location, fresh water, and provisions to feed the sailors. The Spanish galleon trade exported gold and silver from the Americas to the Philippines to buy Chinese silk and porcelain as well as rarities of the Far East: spices, precious stones, pearls, jade, and other curios. Manila being the depot benefitted Philippine-based traders, most of whom weren't ethnic Filipinos. So, what did the Philippines have? To rob blind, as you say. Potable water? Pili nuts? Tarsiers? Hammocks?
As in many of these events the experience of those who lived then was mixed. From 1902 to 1941 the resource in the Philippines was gold, most of it from Benguet. The people there were the Igorots, a.k.a. The Cordillerans, who had remained outside Spanish and lowlander control until the Americans arrived. The miners of the region were predominately from the Kankana-ey, Ibaloi, and Kalanguya groups; they panned and mined gold and traded it with the lowlanders for cattle, which the Igorots measured their wealth, and other goods such as textiles and tools. Though they were a communal people, they had a class system of baknang Igorot, who were very wealthy, and everyone else, called the abiteg, and slaves, the baga-en, both inferior positions with no social mobility. The group of everyone else lived at the mercy of the baknang, having to do their masters' bidding, exchanging labour for food and blankets.
The first mines established by Americans were typically the sole miner / panner pioneer type, such as a fella who married an Igorot woman. The Igorots were happy to have them around because they had repeating rifles which proved useful fighting off other mountain dwelling groups, some of which were headhunters. Benguet's Igorots were the most pacified and least warlike of the Igorots. However, these Americans soon learnt they spent most of their time fighting and little of it panning or mining. Later miners were told by the earlier arrivals to not bring weapons because these caused more trouble than they were worth.
You see, boys, you don't know these hill hombres like I do. You think I take some awful chances among these half-wild people but I'm as safe as a nun in a convent. . . . I don't have to carry a gun. In fact, a gun would only be a temptation to them. . . . Sometimes, I don't know whether they look at me as just a poor crazy man or think I'm some sort of magician. Anyway what does it matter what they think? I'm not molested; in fact, they see to it that no one else bothers me. Don't you.
Fellows ever make the mistake of packing a gun around with you out in the mountains. It'll only get you in hot water.
In 1902 the US ended the Spanish Regalian doctrine, i.e. the Spanish crown owns it all. Both Americans and Filipinos could stake claims and own the resources found. Most of the Igorots didn't understand the law, but some did and they too staked claims. Others sold land. Many others struggled to comprehend the changes that would soon come. For about the first 20 years progress was slow because little to no infrastructure existed and two major typhoons destroyed much of what had been built and dug. The boom was from the 1921 to 1935. Some of this was due to actual gold extraction and much more was due to speculation of claims, many of them dubious. Any piece of land was claimed whether or not gold could ever be found there and then these claims were traded at ridiculous prices. Many claims were located on shales, sandstones, tuff, volcanic agglomerates, and other geologic formations which are not gold bearing. Claims were sold and resold without either the sellers or the buyers knowing exactly the location of the claims. Annual gold production was 1000 kg, then 2000 kg, then more than 4000 kg, and most of it extracted from Benguet - 95% of all Philippine gold in the early thirties. Three large mining companies came to dominate. Two were founded by Americans and the third by Filipino sugar barons who had become very wealthy due to the preferential trade with the US. This last group also included European investors. These companies brought in advanced technologies that marginalised the sole claim holders.
The Great Depression and 1933, when the US gov't ceased setting the gold price and allowed the market rate to determine the price it paid, saw the height of the gold boom. When the Commonwealth gov't was established in 1935 it returned to the Regalian doctrine, this time the Philippine state owning the resources as established by the Philippine Constitution. Claims could still be made, but they actually had to be worked and productive within 4 years or seized by the gov't. This ended the over-heated speculative market and wiped out the paper fortunes of many. This law favoured those mining companies already established and entrants who were well financed. The Mining Act of 1937 added further restrictions to the industry by requiring individual freehold miners be Filipino citizens and corporations be 60% capitalised by Filipinos. Production in Benguet started declining in the late '30's as deep mining was needed; other areas more easy to mine were being developed; foreign participation, which brought capital and technology, was restricted; and it ended with WWII.
Igorot society changed rapidly. Firstly, it became a cash-based economy. The baknang Igorot struggled to maintain their privileges. All the other Igorots were able to find better paid work with the foreign-owned mines as well in all the new businesses being created such as timber, road building, construction, and farming. The 33 km road from Baguio to La Union cost the US gov't $2m ($55m in today's money, but not today's cost), which was 2,835 kg in gold (1 oz was fixed at about $20). And much more than that was built; the city of Baguio was built, a large part of the MacArthur highway, about 1100 teachers were sent and public schools built throughout the country, etc. Slavery was abolished in 1911, and this further degraded the baknang's power. Still, the Igorots had rights. If they understood how to pursue them. One baknang Igorot filed a lawsuit (MATEO CARIO v. INSULAR GOVERNMENT OF THE PHILIPPINE ISLANDS) and it was heard by the US Supreme Court. Camp John Hay was his land that had been appropriated by the army. In a landmark 1909 ruling he prevailed. In a second case before the Supreme Court (JOHN F. REAVIS v. JOSE FIANZA) the same year the rights of another Igorot landowner, one who, much like most all other Igorots, never obtained title from Spanish authorities, were affirmed over the US citizen who had filed a claim on the mine.
As education was brought to the region, by the mines and the local gov't, many Igorots were keen to enroll their children. This actually caused more problems for the baknang Igorot in a couple of ways. Firstly, the lower class preferred to work for the foreign mines to provide their children these schools. Secondly, in baknang families the eldest son would stay on the land to oversee the cattle and the small mine whilst the youngest sons were sent off for education. Both developed different ideas how to run things which caused some families to fracture.
More and more lowland Filipinos as well as Chinese and Japanese arrived. The Japanese were about 20% of the labour force who built the Benguet (a.k.a. Kennon) Road and Japanese carpenters were vital in building Baguio because Japan had adopted use of Western blueprints decades earlier. Later some married Igorots, establishing the region's first fruit & veg farms (strawberries and lettuce, for example) and orchards (apples) - the combination of farming and construction proved a winning formula for the Japanese and Igorots. Meanwhile, the baknang Igorot lamented how things changed. In the good old days they simply told the inferiors what to do and it was done. Now they had whip the plebs to compel compliance. The next generation of baknang Igorot would find they no longer had command of anything.
The baknang Igorot bore the brunt of the enormous demographic and socio-cultural pressure brought by the gold boom to Benguet. Unlike the rest of Igorot society, the former abiteg and baga-en, which adapted to the changes brought by the American era quite well, most baknang did not. They had become progressively cut off from the gold mining activity as an integral part of their socio-econornic fabric and were unable to exploit the new opportunities becoming available. The baknang were prisoners of their former wealth and prestige. Without access to their previous means of liquidity, gold, and with cattle grazing land dwindling, the economic base of the baknang shrank dramatically. With this went their traditional prestige. They no longer had the resources to perform the rituals that helped keep the lower class under their thumb and these once-exploited people had new options. But don't shed a tear for the baknang, many saw education as their children's futures so amongst this group came Benguet's first doctors, lawyers, politicians, civil servants, and teachers. However, unlike gold, education was not an exclusive preserve of the baknang. They faced increasing competition from the abiteg and former baga-en who realised that, in this paradigm shift, education could make them competitive with the baknang. This became a way toward upward mobility that was not possible under customary, i.e. pre-American colonial, law and practice.
Eszpresszo
07-23-18, 14:51
Perhaps if the USA had not invaded in 1898 and robbed the place blind, it would be richer. When Singapore was founded, Lee Kuan Yew said he wanted it to be the new Philippines of Asia..Odd that someone with a moniker like "Pedro Morales" is so unaware of what was once known as Imperial Spain, an empire so oppressive that all of its colonies, except for the Philippines had liberated themselves from it in 1898. They had long been ousted from South America. When Cuba had enough, though their act of revolution started an odd of turn of events for Cuba, the US and the PI.
As for Singapore, it wasn't founded as a nation until after WW2, so I can't fathom how your comment is even relevant, and I'm incredulous that anyone would say that. But, thankfully Singapore became something much better.
Wicked Roger
07-23-18, 17:34
Sounds good in theory but for Cebu Pacific the bag drop lines are as long as the regular check-in lines.
I have had this debate with them already. There should be an advantage for those using advance check-in. At present, there is very little.Same for Air Asia in Cebu and other budget airlines. Had some chat with AA on this. Why was I waiting in a long line when I did the decent things as I am an upstanding gent and booked on line.
Now go to other countries and you see a huge difference. Never had an issue in KL, HK, BKK etc and further afield is easier.
So I arrive very early to avoid a queue as I doubt much will change.
Blanquiceleste
07-24-18, 02:57
When Singapore was founded, Lee Kuan Yew said he wanted it to be the new Philippines of Asia.LMAO. Its a good thing you are not based in Singapore. You could be arrested, caned, fined and jailed for even suggesting something like this.
If you really want to know LKY's thoughts on the Philippines, please read "From Third World to First" authored by LKY.
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