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Wander Luster
11-09-06, 16:44
Seasons are ass backwards in this hemispehre and they really are not like what you experience in the US or Europe. Heat index wise I cant tell the difference although my spouse and her filipina counterparts can, complaining of the "cold" right now, only about 85.
Thing you have to worry about here (and it is NOT a major worry) is Typhoon season. They come off the Pacific every so often and bash into the eastern side of Mindanao, bounce off the mountains and head north to smash into Leyte, samar then tear ass though the flater central Visayas. CEBU does not get much of the battering the costal area get. It translates into rain, heavy at times, some flooding in the streets where the sewer drains are stuffed up with garbage but really nothing to worry about. I wouldn't plan any sail boat trips during September. October but I've ridden the commerical ferru back and forth to Mindano a lot without any probelems other than some heavy rain.
The weather turns hotter in March and remains so until about June, which is when the kids go back to school.
Look into staying in the lahug area temporarily from which you can hit all the major shopping centers and most things we foreigners like to do. (Mongering sites and go go bars are close by). You can rent a place for under $300 a month but most landlords want a one year lease.
Also look into moving across the line to Mandau city or Lapu Lapu, personally I think its cheaper to buy property in those areas than Cebu city proper.
Regards
Spamhog
Great description of the weather!
With respect to AIDS the problem is that the pope says NO CONDOMS and cebu is VERY Catholic. Bargirls are quite smart about condoms, though. I'm sure a person could manipulate a newbie to a bar out of it. But they do not want BB sex.
One of the biggest probs with the poverty is so much sex with poor people and they can't use condoms. Waaaaay too many kids, and with all the phil guys fucking around as much as they can I'm surprised there is not more HIV
Wander (et al); check out my post on the Davao board and my discussion on
STD tracking efforts in the Davao area. I can only guess at Cebu and I don't have any hard stats, it seems that where you have a more international population you tend to have more HIV, every once in awhile the papers make a big deal out of some Phil Overseas worker who returns HIV positive. I beleive from what I have heard/read that Angeles and Manila to be more HIV cases and recently on this board (I can't remember what thread) one of the bretheren post a link to an article on HIV (inq7????) which is the Phils inquirer newspaper link. My general impression is that HIV IS NOT the problem here as it is in Thailand. Most bars/bar girls require a condom use as a condition of continued employment and the girls are checked once a week IF they have a GRO license that allows such employment.
You are spot on concerning the attitude of the Phils towards condoms, the Catholic church says they are a sin and thats that. Most Phils dont spring for condoms anyhow, too cheap and the macho attitude towards it, ergo a high incidence of pregnancy. THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY!!!!
Overpopulation, people having more kids than they can support or as they say here "no family planning". Most of the continuing efforts here are from various Govt health orgs backed up by WHO and even missionaries.
I would NOT bareback anybody!!! I know a lot of guys do it but you run the risk of disease with the bar girls even if the odds are against it, then of course pregnancy. I'll be the first to admit that when I was mongering I got a lot of BBBJ's, from pros, semi pro's, non pros and regular girls, never got the drips, but most of that was in the Davao area, CDO, Surigao and some in Cebu where the odds are against it.
Also you may PM me if you wish more info on retiring/living in Cebu
Regards
Spamhog
What's all this talk about bar girls and this illusional idea of only having sex with a condom?
I've been to PI a number of times and I never found a bar girl who cared about using one.
Wander Luster
11-13-06, 17:45
What's all this talk about bar girls and this illusional idea of only having sex with a condom?
I've been to PI a number of times and I never found a bar girl who cared about using one.
And where is that? In 12 months here, over a 2 year period, I've been with over 40 bar girls in JUST Cebu-- never another part of the country where I par-took in bars (usually brought my own if went).
Of those 40 there was not one that did anything to lead me to think she expected we would bareback. ALL these girls are from bars where Phil guys are the minority.
As for "normal" relationships, condoms are NOT common. Anyone who's spent time in Cebu knows it is like pulling teath trying to buy them. Sometimes you wind up waiting in line to get them from a pharmasist while others are getting there medince bottles filled. And what is really stupid is some pharmacies don't even carry them.
Vitaman V on the other hand...guess the pope would have no prob with that...easy enough to buy from a upstanding pharmacy (-:
My general impression is that HIV IS NOT the problem here as it is in Thailand.
Yes you are correct because I believe the Phil. is more isolated and has far less tourists in general. What is more of a problem and does not get much attention is hepetitis-c. It is much more contageous than HIV and is endemic to S.E. Asia. Most people never know the have it until it is too late. With the limited research I've done, it is possible to get inoculated with a regimen of shots over a period of time. Maybe someone here in the know can shed more light on this subject.
Several years ago on my first visit to Cebu, I generally hung out with women I met on the net except for a SW I picked up only receiving a BBBJ. With the regular women (3 of them) I would do lots of DFK and foreplay before sticking it to them. When I returned home I came down with mono. It knocked me out for about three weeks and it was the sickest I have ever been. I was very careful about STD's and look where it got me. LOL
I've been to PI a number of times and never found a bar girl who cared about using one
Yeah your right about that. When I was in AC earlier this year, I barfined a gal and after the first round with a condom she tells me to forget about the condom for the second round! I suppose it boils down to lack of basic sex education that is the norm in the P.I.
What is more of a problem and does not get much attention is hepetitis-c. It is much more contageous than HIV and is endemic to S.E. Asia. Most people never know the have it until it is too late. With the limited research I've done, it is possible to get inoculated with a regimen of shots over a period of time. Maybe someone here in the know can shed more light on this subject.
There's no vaccine available for HepC as of now, but it's on the way.
Meanwhile, make sure you get your HepA/B shots. It's a very good & cheap insurance if you visit SE Asia frequently!
Somewhere else on this board I told one of the brethern who I thought was interested in moving to the Phils permanently that one could live like a "fuedal warlord", I was quite suprised at his response which included vilification heaped upon yours truly and others, but since I appear to be dealing with sane ration people here let me repeat:
In the Philippines and in most of Asia one with a western "income" be it pension, 401 K or just doing well in business can live like a Fuedal warlord. Servants, high walls, security subdivisions, people treating you like you are special even though your just another Joe average.
Just a note, the Spamhog lives on a generous US pension, dabbles in "consulting" here and there and sometimes plays the US stock market (Experimenting in the Philippines stock exchange lately also). Of all the worries I have, those financial are the LEAST, how many of the brethern living in the Western world can say that??? I have a very good lifestyle indeed. Just finished a tour of Hong Kong and Macau with my lady, had a great time, now thinking about Thailand after the first of the year.
But as Cebu local says, it aint all a bed of Roses, there IS A DOWNSIDE. Having lived, worked and mongered in Davao, Cagayan De Oro and now living in CEBU I must say there are things I miss about the good ol US, so it is a trade off.
Yes the ladies are the main atttraction and dont take this wrong but after a while the mongering lifestyle appeals to those who first arrive here but after awhile the novelty wears off and you will be looking for some stability. But first you must play around so Wander luster and the rest of you guys by all means visit and enjoy the PI but also use it as a central base from which to launch your mongering operations to Thailand, Singapore and Hong kong.
PS Wander luster if you do get to the Phils and want to have a sit down, just PM me and I'll give you my digits, I now reside in Cebu and I suggest you look into the place, better by far than Manila, lots of growth potential for new businesses of ANY sort and an international airport, cost of living cheaper than Manila too.
PPS You guys are EXACTLY what Im am talking about when I say ....Swashbucklers!!!
To HORSE! HAHHAHAHA! (Or is it "horse style"???)
The Spamhog
Yes i have reached this stage in my life i am 50 have fucked about ac for 2 years ( 7 visits) now, but now want to settle down with one lady only for some stability in my life, and phillipines compared to england is so cheap!
And where is that? In 12 months here, over a 2 year period, I've been with over 40 bar girls in JUST Cebu-- never another part of the country where I par-took in bars (usually brought my own if went).
Of those 40 there was not one that did anything to lead me to think she expected we would bareback. ALL these girls are from bars where Phil guys are the minority.
As for "normal" relationships, condoms are NOT common. Anyone who's spent time in Cebu knows it is like pulling teath trying to buy them. Sometimes you wind up waiting in line to get them from a pharmasist while others are getting there medince bottles filled. And what is really stupid is some pharmacies don't even carry them.
Vitaman V on the other hand...guess the pope would have no prob with that...easy enough to buy from a upstanding pharmacy (-:I am not doubting your expertise on the Cebu scene in any way. I have never been to Cebu thus I have no first hand information to provide on it.
But, I find it odd that the Bar girls there are different than their AC or Manila counterparts when it comes to sex education and condom use. I'm supposed to believe that the education level of these girls are better than anywhere else in PI? That just sounds strange to me. Were these girls brought up in the West and had access to a Western education?
What's all this talk about bar girls and this illusional idea of only having sex with a condom?
I've been to PI a number of times and I never found a bar girl who cared about using one.All of my experience has been with bargirls from the Manila metro area but I've found that the girls don't seem to care one way or the other about me wearing a condom. In fact, I get the impression that they would rather NOT use one if they had a choice. IMHO
Guinness
Gayness wrote:
"All of my experience has been with bargirls from the Manila metro area "
If you substitute the word "bakla" (Filipino for Transvestities) for "bargirls" I have no doubt his statement is true. He ALWAYS talks about dicks, never about pussy. Read his other posts and you'll see what I mean.
We all know that the GRO's are STD tested prior to obtaining their licence to work in the bar. But I'm unclear on two things.
1) How often are they tested (weekly, bi-monthly, monthly)?
2) What exactly are they tested for?
I know this has been discussed in the past but any additional info on this topic would be appreciated.
Guinness
Bareback Bill
11-18-06, 16:41
We all know that the GRO's are STD tested prior to obtaining their licence to work in the bar. But I'm unclear on two things.
1) How often are they tested (weekly, bi-monthly, monthly)?
2) What exactly are they tested for?
I know this has been discussed in the past but any additional info on this topic would be appreciated.
GuinnessIt's weekly for syph, clap, etc which the doc takes a swab from their beaver for testing. They only get an HIV test once per year. However if they get barfined by Bareback Bill then they get quarantined for 30 days until a full battery of tests are completed. :)
Well I wasn't actually in the examination room. For all I know the Dr may put on a glove and stick a finger inside but there is NO lab work done. This information is second hand but I have heard it from several long time AC guys.I'll assume that the tests performed in Manila are the same as they are in AC (visual). A visual test would only catch a herpes outbreak or genital warts but it's surprising that they wouldn't test for Gonorrhea, Chlamydia, Syphilis, etc. Quite disturbing actually.
Guinness
Please say it's NOT true...
Tak boleh. I would say it's true. Imagine there are 2000+ girls and all go for a weekly test. How much time does the doc can take for each girl? Usually those tests are done within 5 minutes a girl told me.
So better safe than sorry.
Cheers!
Hi, I am going to be in PI from Dec 2-17. I am going to spend the first 3 nights in Angeles, but then want to head off for some scuba diving in various locations. I plan to go to Subic and Puerto Galera, but am looking for another location down near Cebu/Bohol region. Possibly Dumagette. I am looking for good dive spots with some strong possibility for action. I have searched the boards and came up with a few suggestions, but nothing definitive. Any ideas? I am 37, average looking at best, and in decent shape, if that matters.
Hi, I am going to be in PI from Dec 2-17. I am going to spend the first 3 nights in Angeles, but then want to head off for some scuba diving in various locations. I plan to go to Subic and Puerto Galera, but am looking for another location down near Cebu/Bohol region. Possibly Dumagette. I am looking for good dive spots with some strong possibility for action. I have searched the boards and came up with a few suggestions, but nothing definitive. Any ideas? I am 37, average looking at best, and in decent shape, if that matters.
combing diving with mongering is a great way to spend your vacation, plenty of both here! Anyhow, Check into Cebu pacific web site for flights directly to Cebu, once here you have many options for diving, you can take a bus to Moalboal or Malapasqua, both terrific sites with a lot of underwater scenery these places are not over run with tourists like Boracay and reasonably priced. You can also take the jet boat to Bohol plenty of Dive action.
Just a note, there is not much Mongering available in those three locales, oh you can usually find companionship if you look hard enough but there just isn;t much. You can always "bring your own" from Cebu, many of the bar queens will jump at the chance to be your personal guide to these areas or you might find a "regular" girl.
Last, also look into going to Davao for some real interesting diving, one of the leading guides runs a resturuant calle "de bonte cow" A few old WW2 wrecks and some great coral formations near Samal island. Also Davao mongering will be more acessible for you so you dont have to BYOB.
Good Luck
Spamhog
Reminds me when i was in Moalboal, brought a girl with me but soon was bored and wanted to try one of the regulars there. You can find girls there across from the dive club sitting on the wall looking for foreigniers. Stay at the resort across the st. and the manager will help you. No you don't have much of a selection but getting laid should'nt be a problem.
SH,
How long is the bus ride to these places on Cebu Island? I'm not a diver, so are they also good for beaches/swimming/snorkeling? Any hotel recommendations?
SH also mentioned Davao and Bohol. I'm not a diver, but both places have reasonable beaches and snorkeling. Panglao, Bohol has great beaches and can be reached by 90 min from Cebu by ferry plus a short taxi ride. I stayed at ISIS on Alona beach and I brought a regular lady with me. She went along with everything I wanted.
Typical day:wake up ...sex...shower...more sex...swimming... shower...lunch...sex... relax on...beach....snorkel...shower ...sex...etc.
The original poster suggested Dumaguete. One idea is to fly to Dumaguete, dive and play, then ferry to Bohol, dive (byob). You could fly out of Taclibaran, or ferry 90 min back to Dumagute, or 90 min on to Cebu where there is a lot of p4p action.
combing diving with mongering is a great way to spend your vacation, plenty of both here! Anyhow, Check into Cebu pacific web site for flights directly to Cebu, once here you have many options for diving, you can take a bus to Moalboal or Malapasqua, both terrific sites with a lot of underwater scenery
What is the name of the place "across from the dive club"?
Thank you.
soon was bored and wanted to try one of the regulars there. You can find girls there across from the dive club sitting on the wall looking for foreigniers. Stay at the resort across the st. and the manager will help you. No you don't have much of a selection but getting laid should'nt be a problem.[/QUOTE]
In my one visit to Moalboal way back in 1998 there was a pretty healthy bar girl scene. From talking to guys who have been there it looks like it´s still the same or maybe even better.
As far as combining diving with full-on brass pole bargirl stuff your options are somewhat limited. Puerta Galera comes to mind first. Also, there´s the Subic and Barrio Baretto area. It has a so so bar scene and World War 2 wreck dives out in the bay. There´s also an old, old Spanish-American war ship that´s barely recognizable now.
Mactan is another possibility but I always found the diving lackluster. Also, if you´re staying at the Mactan beach resorts it´s a long way into the city to hit the bars and even a bit of a drive just to get to what there is in Lapu Lapu.
Davao has pretty good diving. But the bargirl scene is limited, as numerous posts on the Davao thread will tell youl.
Dumaguete has even better diving, but even less of a bargirl scene. There are a few desultory bars near the airport. The Why Not bar or trolling the seafront park MAY sometimes turn up something. The trike drivers usually brought good semipro student types to me for reasonable prices. Davao and Dumaguete are both better for hunting regular girls.
Bohol has really good diving but really is a bring your own place. I hear that Malapascua (which I haven´t been to yet) is something similar.
Duka Bay Resort, between Cagayan de Oro and Butuan, has good diving at a small underwater preserve. The nearby towns of Gingoog and Medina don´t really have girlie bars but they do supply lots of girls to the internet dating sites.
agree with Mahku that Puerto Galera has easy combo of BOTH varietals of diving (SCUBA & MUFF). General Santos supposedly too, though lkess newbie friendly (I have not been there). Dapitan/Dipolog area has nice diving too but not much girl action I saw (although I stayed at Dakak Resort with a GF and did not cruise town at night).
Bohol has excellent diving and is so easily accessed from Cebu you can find one there to bring along.
SH,
How long is the bus ride to these places on Cebu Island? I'm not a diver, so are they also good for beaches/swimming/snorkeling? Any hotel recommendations?
SH also mentioned Davao and Bohol. I'm not a diver, but both places have reasonable beaches and snorkeling. Panglao, Bohol has great beaches and can be reached by 90 min from Cebu by ferry plus a short taxi ride. I stayed at ISIS on Alona beach and I brought a regular lady with me. She went along with everything I wanted.
Typical day:wake up ...sex...shower...more sex...swimming... shower...lunch...sex... relax on...beach....snorkel...shower ...sex...etc.
The original poster suggested Dumaguete. One idea is to fly to Dumaguete, dive and play, then ferry to Bohol, dive (byob). You could fly out of Taclibaran, or ferry 90 min back to Dumagute, or 90 min on to Cebu where there is a lot of p4p action.
Two ways to do it, one is go to "north terminal" near Sm mall and get the bus to "Da'an Bantayan" before you reach that "City" you will stop at the pier to take you to Malapasqua. About 3 & half hrs to four depending. Bantayan Island a little longer. Moalboal less a short distance but more stops it seems. All three a bargain at les than P100 one way.
Option two is to go to the "Van terminal" also nearby, here private vans wait until they get the fill of passengers and contract out to all of those places, fast as less stops (usually one for lunch) so cut an hour or more off the times. Fares vary but "make tawad" for about P300 to Da'an Bantayan. vans are a little cramped, make sure your the first one there and then jump in the "shotgun" seat.
regards
Spamhog
Cebu Steve
11-26-06, 23:09
Great info from Spam Hog as always, just to add to his comments.
Another option, especially if you have a girl with you, is to hire a private van to take you to your destination. I went to Moalboal by this way, driver was asking P2000, negotiated to I think P1700. Benefit is it's direct, comfortable, just you and your girl and whatever stuff you are bringing. Driver will stop if you want to buy snacks or drinks or whatever. You get transport directly to your hotel. If you are on a bus or shared van, you are going to end at some standard stopping point. Then have to take some other local transport to your hotel.
Personally, I like travelling a bit more like the locals. So, I try to use the shared vans whenever time allows. One thing to be aware of, they try to pack 'em in. If the van should hold 10, you'll have at least 15 to be considered full. I don't mind at all if the extra person practically sitting on my lap is a cute Filipina. But you might have her overweight , didn't take a shower today (or yesterday) uncle instead. Sometimes I get around that by paying for an extra seat. Cost per person on these shared trips is really cheap (around P100 to P150 for most of the ones I've taken). So you get a lot more comfort if you just pay for an extra seat.
CS
Thanks for the advise everyone. I'm not quite sure where I'll head to, but this gives me some leads. Should be an adventure!!
Billpsu,
The name of the resort is Pinagsami Bch. resort and they make great mango shakes, popular over there. Also is an outdoor bar close by where you can find locals. From Cebu takes about 3 hrs. drive.
Wander Luster
11-28-06, 20:38
Been a long time since I did any kind of real “report”. This one really belongs somewhere in both the Thai boards and here.
Have spent 12 of last 28 months in Cebu. ALL other months in USA.
For 3 weeks I've escaped to LOS and found that the ol' "boring" discussion of thai compared to Phil woman is actually NOT boring and is interesting.
They are truly a different breed. And their backyards are very different places.
True, in the Phils I'm JUST in cebu, having never stepped foot in a bar in Manila or AC. Therefor, Cebu is a puddle and as I write here from Bangkok, well it is certainly an ocean.
Prices: The costs are about 2,150 B here ST and in Cebu it’s about the same price for most places. The dollar is about 1::35 here and 1::50 in Cebu. I discuss performance and experience below, but the sheer amount of choice here makes the deal much better then the numbers sound. On some nights in Cebu it’s a lot of work to find someone that’s an 8+ or 9. Here it should be do-able any night at Nana or Soi Cowboy. You can cherry pick easier (no pun intended). And to me, Cherry picking is what sets a good monger apart from a great one. Only problem is that the beers and especially the ladies drinks really add up here. I think they are a good ½ or even 2X more here. If in Manila is prob more similar for all prices. In AC, Bangkok must be easy 2X more for everything monger related.
I've stayed at a couple places here. And I did a lot of research. I want too give a huge thumbs up to "Drop Inn" on Soi 30 Suk. It’s only 1-2 years old and rocks for the money. This place is about 23 USD, within a long stone’s throw (5 minute walk) of Soi Cowboy and a quick hop on the skytrain to Nana. It's a 3 star hotel with a lot of class, FREE wireless and land-line access, etc.
After boning countless women in Cebu, LOS is such a massive breath of fresh air. And the biggest difference I see here is one that others don't bring up as much. I think IF you are the type that girls can feel that special GF feeling for, this is in some ways better. That is harder to find here! In Cebu and the Phils in general all the girls want a damn ticket to the USA and it is on there mind 24/7. They are so into the heaven that is the US (Heaven compared to life in a shack, hell in ways they don’t know about) that they really don't care if the person they are with is a corpse.
Here I don't see that as much. The worship of the USA is missing and what a relief! This country has a lot to be proud of. They have a religion that may have even "got it right" better then we have in US and Europe. I am also sick of the worship of the overseas worker that is found in Phils. What a dumb idea for the head of a country to encourage all best and brightest to go away…especially at a time when outsourcing can make the Phils stronger in a lot of ways if they play that game 110% now.
I am on the verge of middle age so it’s not as easy to find the GF experience here as it was on the other 4 visits I did here, all of which were in my late 20s and early/mid 30s. I've been with 4 girls here. 2 of the 4 were very good in bed but it was not a true GF "I like it too" experience. I hate if girls are faking it, and I'm damn good at knowing at least to some extent. One of those was at a message place, so that’s to be expected. She certainly did her job well. No complaints about that.
But the 2 that stepped out of there "job" while with me, wow, they had passion that is just not the same as Phil girls. I think they are more seductive. They are in less of a rush, which I like. Most, not all, girls in the Phils have that Latin passion which says "let's fuck like jack-hammers" quick, quick. But the 2 here that were into it...wow, really slow and seductive sex that went on and on and on. Nothing wrong with the “faster, quicker, harder”, but for me I like it slow and very long building up to a bigger bang.
I also learned, after 4 other trips to LOS, that beer bars may be better than dance bars if you’re looking for what I mention above. A lot of the girls dancing that are new speak NO English. For me that's a turn-off.
My theory has always been if you want to be with someone who you pay but who actually enjoys it because you enjoy if they do...well it should not be someone in the biz for too long.
So the beer bars...they have to talk! The first of the 2 that were true GF experiences (and who I only did on one night) spoke zero English and I was her first white guy. But, she had been fucking for money with Thai guys previously. What a great attitude and just so FUN.
Second girl was one of the best fucks I've had in 2 years. Been with her 2 nights, but now I'm off for another location. She spoke very, very little but was a beer bar girl from Nana (3 weeks) and soi one (3 months), so had to learn Eng fast. She had a real job in a retail store prior…nice to be with someone that’s finished high school and knows things like “Africa is a continent, not a country”.
She was going to come with me down south to beaches, but it came out on the second night with her (which was free, although I gave her my dress shirt she’d worn to sleep the night prior) that a dude from Germany sent her 1000 euro, emails and calls her every day, and claims he’s coming for her and will be getting her a visa. Chump.
She quit her bar the second night I went with her…most or entirely because she had 1000 euro given to her 2 weeks prior by the German guys friend who delivered it to her in person, wrapped up, for her to open in front of all her co-workers at the bar… so she was actually no longer a bar girl my second night with her (she went AWOL).
He was with her ONE night. He then paid her like 100 Euro for that, had her drive to the airport with her and thinks he knows her because of all this and 2 weeks of emails and phone chats even though her English is almost nothing at this point. But, I don’t blame her for being afraid to go to a southern beach with me. She’s afraid he’ll dump the whole idea, and seems he is a decent catch (sucker might be a better word although she’s not the type to fuck him over in a nasty way…she BELIEVES 2 people can meet this way), as she says he treats her well and is in his 30s (she’s 22).
Guess that's part 1. Not sure what thread to put this/these in, but will do a part two from next destination if the action and the response from anyone warrants it.
wander Luster: Your post was a nostalgic stroll down memory lane for me, you have captured the essence of the Thai experience, my acessment has always been the best sexual partners in the world is a Thai woman (or two), they simply do do have the reservations sexually that Phils (or western women) do. They are also very nationalistic as you seem to have figured out and THAT is the problem.
You will learn as time goes by that it is an "us vs, them" the "them" being you or any other non Thai. You say the average bunny cant speak very much english, that is part of it,l they dont see any need to, other than to get by or get at your wallet. I learned to speak Thai fairly well and always played dumb, interesting to hear what they really say about you when you can understand them.
Bangkok was a place I always went for a slice of the fast life. Hard to compare it with Angeles or Manila, it is so different. Try to spend some time in the provinces, I would suggest Chaingmai (the train trip is facinating) or hop on a plane and head south to Phuket, my old home and see what they did with the reconstruction. Pattaya is okay but almost a mini Bangkok.
Also wait a bit longer for comparisons between Thai and Phil ladies, you will see what Im talking about, NEVER TRUST A THAI. Even the Educated ones.
Looking forward to part 2
Good Luck
Spamhog
Been a long time since I did any kind of real “report”. This one really belongs somewhere in both the Thai boards and here.
Have spent 12 of last 28 months in Cebu. ALL other months in USA.
For 3 weeks I've escaped to LOS and found that the ol' "boring" discussion of thai compared to Phil woman is actually NOT boring and is interesting.
They are truly a different breed. And their backyards are very different places.
True, in the Phils I'm JUST in cebu, having never stepped foot in a bar in Manila or AC. Therefor, Cebu is a puddle and as I write here from Bangkok, well it is certainly an ocean.
Prices: The costs are about 2,150 B here ST and in Cebu it’s about the same price for most places. The dollar is about 1::35 here and 1::50 in Cebu. I discuss performance and experience below, but the sheer amount of choice here makes the deal much better then the numbers sound. On some nights in Cebu it’s a lot of work to find someone that’s an 8+ or 9. Here it should be do-able any night at Nana or Soi Cowboy. You can cherry pick easier (no pun intended). And to me, Cherry picking is what sets a good monger apart from a great one. Only problem is that the beers and especially the ladies drinks really add up here. I think they are a good ½ or even 2X more here. If in Manila is prob more similar for all prices. In AC, Bangkok must be easy 2X more for everything monger related.
I've stayed at a couple places here. And I did a lot of research. I want too give a huge thumbs up to "Drop Inn" on Soi 30 Suk. It’s only 1-2 years old and rocks for the money. This place is about 23 USD, within a long stone’s throw (5 minute walk) of Soi Cowboy and a quick hop on the skytrain to Nana. It's a 3 star hotel with a lot of class, FREE wireless and land-line access, etc.
After boning countless women in Cebu, LOS is such a massive breath of fresh air. And the biggest difference I see here is one that others don't bring up as much. I think IF you are the type that girls can feel that special GF feeling for, this is in some ways better. That is harder to find here! In Cebu and the Phils in general all the girls want a damn ticket to the USA and it is on there mind 24/7. They are so into the heaven that is the US (Heaven compared to life in a shack, hell in ways they don’t know about) that they really don't care if the person they are with is a corpse.
Here I don't see that as much. The worship of the USA is missing and what a relief! This country has a lot to be proud of. They have a religion that may have even "got it right" better then we have in US and Europe. I am also sick of the worship of the overseas worker that is found in Phils. What a dumb idea for the head of a country to encourage all best and brightest to go away…especially at a time when outsourcing can make the Phils stronger in a lot of ways if they play that game 110% now.
I am on the verge of middle age so it’s not as easy to find the GF experience here as it was on the other 4 visits I did here, all of which were in my late 20s and early/mid 30s. I've been with 4 girls here. 2 of the 4 were very good in bed but it was not a true GF "I like it too" experience. I hate if girls are faking it, and I'm damn good at knowing at least to some extent. One of those was at a message place, so that’s to be expected. She certainly did her job well. No complaints about that.
But the 2 that stepped out of there "job" while with me, wow, they had passion that is just not the same as Phil girls. I think they are more seductive. They are in less of a rush, which I like. Most, not all, girls in the Phils have that Latin passion which says "let's fuck like jack-hammers" quick, quick. But the 2 here that were into it...wow, really slow and seductive sex that went on and on and on. Nothing wrong with the “faster, quicker, harder”, but for me I like it slow and very long building up to a bigger bang.
I also learned, after 4 other trips to LOS, that beer bars may be better than dance bars if you’re looking for what I mention above. A lot of the girls dancing that are new speak NO English. For me that's a turn-off.
My theory has always been if you want to be with someone who you pay but who actually enjoys it because you enjoy if they do...well it should not be someone in the biz for too long.
So the beer bars...they have to talk! The first of the 2 that were true GF experiences (and who I only did on one night) spoke zero English and I was her first white guy. But, she had been fucking for money with Thai guys previously. What a great attitude and just so FUN.
Second girl was one of the best fucks I've had in 2 years. Been with her 2 nights, but now I'm off for another location. She spoke very, very little but was a beer bar girl from Nana (3 weeks) and soi one (3 months), so had to learn Eng fast. She had a real job in a retail store prior…nice to be with someone that’s finished high school and knows things like “Africa is a continent, not a country”.
She was going to come with me down south to beaches, but it came out on the second night with her (which was free, although I gave her my dress shirt she’d worn to sleep the night prior) that a dude from Germany sent her 1000 euro, emails and calls her every day, and claims he’s coming for her and will be getting her a visa. Chump.
She quit her bar the second night I went with her…most or entirely because she had 1000 euro given to her 2 weeks prior by the German guys friend who delivered it to her in person, wrapped up, for her to open in front of all her co-workers at the bar… so she was actually no longer a bar girl my second night with her (she went AWOL).
He was with her ONE night. He then paid her like 100 Euro for that, had her drive to the airport with her and thinks he knows her because of all this and 2 weeks of emails and phone chats even though her English is almost nothing at this point. But, I don’t blame her for being afraid to go to a southern beach with me. She’s afraid he’ll dump the whole idea, and seems he is a decent catch (sucker might be a better word although she’s not the type to fuck him over in a nasty way…she BELIEVES 2 people can meet this way), as she says he treats her well and is in his 30s (she’s 22).
Guess that's part 1. Not sure what thread to put this/these in, but will do a part two from next destination if the action and the response from anyone warrants it.It's nice to get a comparison of the PI girls to the LOS girls. It's true what you say about the PI girls, you never know if they want to be with you because they simply hate the PI and/or Pinoys and want to get to the promised land or because they truly love you. My guess is, it's not the latter.
Guinness
Does anyone know if there are boat connections from the Pilippines to the near Malaysia or Indonesia?
I mean inexpensive options like 4-20 dollar connections of Malaysia/Singapore to Indonesia.
If there are, do the ports have visa on arrival?
Does anyone know if there are boat connections from the Pilippines to the near Malaysia or Indonesia?
I mean inexpensive options like 4-20 dollar connections of Malaysia/Singapore to Indonesia.
If there are, do the ports have visa on arrival?
You can get to (Sabah) Malaysia or Borneo from the Philippines via the infamous "backdoor" You would have to go to Zamboanga and get ferry service to tawi-Tawi hence to Malayasia/ Indonesia, only problem is that place is a "no mans land" over run with Pirates, smugglers and Moro Rebels, prime Abu Sayeef Territory.
You might get a ride on a freighter leaving Davao for Manado Indonesia near Sulawesei, I been to those places and beleive me you dont want to be there.
Get a plane
Good luck
Spamhog
You can get to (Sabah) Malaysia or Borneo from the Philippines via the infamous "backdoor" You would have to go to Zamboanga and get ferry service to tawi-Tawi hence to Malayasia/ Indonesia, only problem is that place is a "no mans land" over run with Pirates, smugglers and Moro Rebels, prime Abu Sayeef Territory.
You might get a ride on a freighter leaving Davao for Manado Indonesia near Sulawesei, I been to those places and beleive me you dont want to be there.
Outsch, reading that hurts. The activitys writen about in the following wikipedia entry really sound bad:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sajaf
If you talk about the northeast of Malaysia and Sulawesi. I find it quite difficult to find good information about that area. I just loved Java and it s people, I also had very nice expiriences in sumatra, although i have been nearly beaten to death in a small village there, and i somehow want to get to know the mentioned area of malaysia and sulawesi aswell.
But I don't really have a wish for a violent death. So after your post I won't try it without a lot of reading beforehand or simply not at all.
Gentlemen,
Just a quick note.
On ,my trip a month ago, I had the pleasure of traveling by ferry from Cebu to Manila. I enjoyed it. If you can spare the time (about 24 hrs), it's a very relaxing trip.
I made my reservation at an office in the mall. Apparently, the best accomodations you can reserve there is a "cabin". Don't think cruise ship here, more like WW II liberty ship. The cabin had four bunks, two per side, none of which were large enough for me (6 ft, 220lbs). Plus the "head" would have scared most submariners.
So I went to check about upgrades. No sweat, got a clean, comfortable room with carpets, two twin beds, TV, good AC and a stocked refer. 2,700 p. The first cabin was 1800. Spend the money. Simple buffet meals were included.
Didn't see much in terms of available ladies, but then we departed Cebu at about 9:00 PM. By the time I got settled into my second room, crashing in the AC sounded the best. There was a kariokee (sorry spell) bar that seemed to have a little action, for locals.
The views from deck during the following day were very nice.
Later, FD.
PS: Really enjoyed Bohol (actually Panglao Island) as well. Great diving. Alona Beach is where you want to stay. Will be going back.
Thanks FD,
I thought about doing this. It's really reasonable since you save the price of one night in a hotel. Were you already with someone? Hmmm, I can imagine going down to steerage and trying to find someone who wanted to see what the suites looked like!
What do you mean about the 1800? Is that for one bunk or for the whole cabin with four bunks?
X
The cabin had four bunks, two per side, none of which were large enough for me (6 ft, 220lbs). Plus the "head" would have scared most submariners. .
Hey X,
That was kind of nebulous. I had insisted on a private cabin (security reasons, dive gear) and was qouted the 1800 p. But upon arrival I was told that the aircon in the area of the ferry that had unoccupied cabins, was not working well, so I would be sharing space. Vetoed that and took the "warm" cabin. Then changed my mind again and went for the upgrade. So I'm not sure if they were accommodating me since they had the space or if the 1800 was for the whole cabin. On my upgraded ticket for the suite, there was a stamp that said: "good for one px only". Maybe an additional fee for other px.
Hope this helps.
FD
PS: I gotta say that the ferry staff went out of their way to make me happy. A word of warning: put on a smile and a "patience hat" when you get to the terminal. Absolute zoo with the usual porter attitudes at both ends.
Thetsmplumber
12-03-06, 10:05
Ok, first some generalizations:
- Asian women tend to have small breasts (except for FF's findings which skew the curve in a lovely way...but he's in a class by himself).
- Pinay, IMO, more often wear a B to C cup size than their other, Asian counterparts, though still not too frequently.
- All women like to 'feel good' about their breast size and be comfortable with their appearance.
That being said, am I just really unlucky? Every pinay I've dated, those with attractive bodies and apparently nice-sized fun bags, wears a padded bra to 'create something from nothing.' Underneath what looks like a solid B cup is an A waiting to be discovered.
Now to each his own but I like some decent sized titties to play with...and I don't like being fooled into thinking that's what's on the menu.
Invariably during dates, foreplay and general grab-ass sessions, she discovers the size of my manhood well before I see her naked. Now I do know a padded bra when I feel one but my curiosity presses forth regardless of what I 'think' I'm going to find.
I don't want my eyes to deceive me or, better said, I want what my eyes see to be the real thing.
So the question to all pinay-loving bro's:
In your experience, if a pinay looks like she's packing some B cups, do you generally find a B cup? At least an A cup with a bullet?
I ask because I'm going to meet a very nice woman in Davao next year and she's really looking good all over: good upbringing, decent education, hard working, good attitude, not greedy, etc,, etc., and a very nice set of susus(SP).
We've been chatting for almost a year now and we ask each other about anything. She swears she's a 34 B but I see what surely looks like a padded, if not 'lift-n-squish', bra under her neat, attractive appearance.
She's in good physical shape and has no kids so I don't expect her 33 y.o. figure to have but some slight gravity affect by now. And this could turn into a long-term thing if all goes well. That's the hope anyway.
And lastly, the more I write here the more I think this is so unimportant in the big picture. But, ya know, I just don't want to meet her, end up in the sack only to find she's wearing some 'Lee Strap-On Boobs' (for those who remember the finger nail commercials from days gone by). I'll live if she is, just not as happily.
I appreciate any input offered.
Thanks.
Mr. P.
Hobby Knob
12-05-06, 17:07
Here in the states I use a verizon broadband card to access the internet anywhere.
I will be going back to the PI soon and was wondering if any of the cel providers have this service there yet.
Also, since I will spending time in the provences, does this service work there? This would be great since it will get me better access when I'm not in a hotel.
Thanks for your help!
ThePest1998
12-06-06, 09:26
i am beginning to think hard what is the best way to get protected ourselve for taking gals out of the bar. she can report that she being raped the next day. what can you do?
its still good to go through a mamasan so she can be a witness in case things go bad.
Bill Buxton
12-07-06, 00:23
who wants to chime in here and give the correct answer?i surely do not have any safeguards built in here.
i guess i will take first stab at the question,and i am also quite sure the legal braintrust here will also give there words of wisdom here in reference to there views on this matter.
i would tell anyone take your chances and always be nice polite and respectful of the gal and others.please remember the gal was drunk as were the 4 guys in the case.keep your self straight and remember how many beers and shots does it take to get a 80-100lb gal drunk.not very many so why go there.maybe get a hotel room and do not try and get some ass in a back alley or car,van.use your head for something other than a hat rack.
i have seen many drunken heeps of shit here that should have been in jail for there actions and never hit the place.so the answer is take a chance and be nice and respectful and you should be ok.remember all the gals here want to find a guy that will take them out of this god forsaken shit hole. so why would they risk there chance on a better life over a bogus [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) charge?why???this shit could happen anywhere on the planet and i am sure does on a regular basis.i know a guy that had an **** gf here and when they had a problem she came back to his business wanting to make some big trouble for him.that was ok when the police asked him about the deal he looked at her and said"sweetheart i want you to be my asawa and i will bring you to my country and be with me forever)the cops looked at her and she said forget about my complaint and i will stay here now with my husband.that called fast thinking on your feet and beating the birdbrain all in one motion.she was 2 months before her 18th birthday and yes they are still a couple as far as i know.again why put yourself in anykind of a legal jackpot here.you are not at home.
play safer,be nice.
b.b...
i am beginning to think hard what is the best way to get protected ourselve for taking gals out of the bar. she can report that she being raped the next day. what can you do?
its still good to go through a mamasan so she can be a witness in case things go bad.seriously, there are ways to protect oneself, barfining or otherwise. once again, i dont know all the in and outs of the case in question, from what i hear on tv and read in the newspapers everyone on both sides of the equasion are lying, but i would imagine that something occured (if not [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)) tooo [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) her off, either somebody didn't pay up or perhaps they made fun of her or muscled her around a bit or a combination of such practise, young gi's (having been one) do dumb shit like that. anyhow here goes.
most guys who get their ass in a jam in the pi (and other asian countries like thailand etc.) do so by being absolutely stupid, they make an issue out of 200 to 500 pesos which is what???? 10 bucks...chump change. i know principal of the thing, so you want to go to the wall over 10 bucks for some shopworn 'ho? moral of the story, pay your pussy debts and make sure you work out the price in front of mama san before you bring her ass outside. tell her up front what you are willing to pay and the services you expect, then live up to your part of the bargain, if she doesn't live up to hers, pay her what you agree and get her out of the room, walk her downstairs and let the bell man/guard see you (this is why i urge all to be generous with these guys, tip once in awhile or bring em some food). if you must have a pound of flesh then tell her you will inform mama san asap of her lousy service & perhaps your buddies etc. but do this tactfully, not yelling or screaming. under no circumstances do you get violent, physical, insult her/the country etc. chalk it up to experience.
you have to be more careful with "freelancers", a word to the wise, the younger they appear or say they are (18) the more likely they are **** make 'em show proof of id if you have any doubts.
this needs to be adddressed too, most foreigners i know of who have been in the shit with udnerage girls etc almost to a man follow this track.
charlie the retired guy decides to live in the pi for a few months and hires the youngest prettiest maid he can find, a few weeks later said "catulong" is threatening to tell the police he grabbed her budding boobies and felt her skinny ass and offered money for sex...hardest thing in the world to prove or disprove, the laundress now wants p25,000 or she yelps to the police. now the shit really starts, even if the guy is innocent he still gotta pay a lawyer and pay off the cops etc etc to make things go away. if he actually did the deed double or triple the pay off.
this is one reason i do not allow mrs spamhog to hire live in helpers, maids etc, all of them must be older women and they go home when my wife isn't around...period.
moral of the story, do not hire young pretty girls for domestic service.
use common sense, if some bimbo seems arguementative, complains etc, stop things right there, take her back or give her cab fare and end it before it gets worse.
regards
spamhog
Bill Buxton
12-07-06, 23:06
SH,
I have a hard time beleaving the forum has come to this HOW DO I ACT AND SAFEGUARD MYSELF WITH A LADY.I know you give out great info and your MRS is a great person also.Why would a guy want to know how to keep himself from harms way with a gal?This is one case,and is not yet a done deal so lets see.
Like I said before most people here think the gals are a piece of trash that they can use any whitch way they want.Not true,they are people and treat them like you would a pay for pussy deal at home.They are not like the gals at home watching the clock,looking to get streetside to pay a pimp,OR SHOVE A POINT IN THERE ARM FOR THE NEXT FIX! they are trying to get money to send back home in most cases.Do the gals lie,steal,do whatever they can for money?the answer is yes,some do but not all.
This situation is not only with bargals,its the nature of the beast for most here.You have to think and stay sharp and see the shit starting before it gets there.On my second day in CEBU, I had a taxi driver befrend me or so he thought.He wanted me to go all over the city sightseeing.He shows up in a taxi with another driver and wants me to pay him plus the cab for a rest and relaxing day in the aircon vehicle.Well,that shit did not happen! After they dropped me off at the travel agent they left and after I did the deal with the agent I got into another taxi.This asshole went to the first light and wanted to take me back to my hotel.He was told the name of the hotel and said he knew the place but was heading in the wrong direction.I asked him if he was gonna turn right to go back and he said NO I GO LEFT THIS WAY.I knew the shit was on and so I sat back with my gal and enjoyed the ride.Up the hillside and down,and yes I saw places I had never seen in the great city of CEBU.
After the 20 minute ride and all the sights my gal asked him if he could find my hotel,he said ok.Now please remember the first ride took all of 5 minuted with traffic from my hotel and this guy was closing in on 30 minutes to get me back to the same place.My lady did the talking when we got to the hotel,he said the meter was 145-p and he got the 45-p that it cost for the original trip.He was not happy but drove away knowing he fucked the wrong gal.
GENTLEMEN,AGAIN USE YOUR HEAD, AND LOOK,LISTEN, AND THINK, AND YOU WILL DO OK WHEREVER YOU GO.
B.B...
gentlemen:
it is true that the tale is not yet told, but guys should not hit the panic button coz of this case. it never hurts to remind people the nature of the beast, there are lots of little scammers out there. i like to think that most guys come here looking for advise, pointers and in telling our little rebald tales one learns a lesson (i often do). i hope that whatever info i provide might save some poor hump a lot of grief, i hate seeing the brethern whatever country they hail from getting jammed!!!
now, sports fans lets examine some statistics:
how many bar girls, ktv hostesses, massage girls and licensed gro's are there in the pi??? add in angeles, manila, cebu, cdo, davao, i probably left out a lot of places but agree/disagree those have the highest concentration of "pros". so outta all those "pros" how many get barfined each night? by filipinos/foreigners/japanese/koreans the world...okay got to be in the thousands, now how many of those bar fined go running to the cops and cry "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)"? now go back since the inception of this 4 gi's and the vicitm, been going on for what? almost two years? how many bar fines by how many guys on how many girls in two years? how many reports of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? actual, pretended or otherwise? the odds are against it that anyone will be vicitm of a set up or a "false calm"
bottom line, my point is that most guys who get in trouble and end up facing a deportment order or a jail cell probably deserved it coz they slapped some kitty around coz she didn;t suck a cock good enough, and if such is the case i have absolutely no mercy for somebody who wants to beat on women, no reason for it.
weigh all of this against some of the scams people use in this country, some that have been reported here. how about the one with the girl in your room who wants to call her freind over to watch tv or treat you to a double team?
the "friend" shows up & asks to take a shower or use the cr whatever and next thing you know a knock at the door is two "cops" or pimps pretending to be cops and the girl is **** and naked in your room.
they did that number in cebu not long ago, lapu lapu city to be exact.
recently i saw a guy on the cebu board who posted about being approached in the mall by two "massage" girls, (i thought that old scam went out with the charleston). all these girls do is give a massage and one rubs your back while the other rubs your wallet. if you take only one girl and bring her to your room later you only get a half assed massage, for which she demands like p1000 or some shit. now i'm man enough to admidt i fell victim to this one and i reported it, and a discription of the girl (she had really big tits) which is what got me all stupid it was awhile ago and i felt like a fool but goes to show even experienced mongers do stupid things when they get around great looking pussy. btw i gave her p200 and walked her down and set her ass in a cab when she started making noises like police/barangay captain i want p1000 etc.
so one must use caution and common sense and we continually need reminders of what can happen
regards
spamhog
This from the national news which is reporting the summit is moved to january of 07 due to impending typhoons.
Might be a good time to see if you can get room at a bargain.
Spamhog
Bill Buxton
12-11-06, 05:22
gentlemen:
it is true that the tale is not yet told, but guys should not hit the panic button coz of this case. it never hurts to remind people the nature of the beast, there are lots of little scammers out there. i like to think that most guys come here looking for advise, pointers and in telling our little rebald tales one learns a lesson (i often do). i hope that whatever info i provide might save some poor hump a lot of grief, i hate seeing the brethern whatever country they hail from getting jammed!!!
now, sports fans lets examine some statistics:
how many bar girls, ktv hostesses, massage girls and licensed gro's are there in the pi??? add in angeles, manila, cebu, cdo, davao, i probably left out a lot of places but agree/disagree those have the highest concentration of "pros". so outta all those "pros" how many get barfined each night? by filipinos/foreigners/japanese/koreans the world...okay got to be in the thousands, now how many of those bar fined go running to the cops and cry "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)"? now go back since the inception of this 4 gi's and the vicitm, been going on for what? almost two years? how many bar fines by how many guys on how many girls in two years? how many reports of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? actual, pretended or otherwise? the odds are against it that anyone will be vicitm of a set up or a "false calm"
bottom line, my point is that most guys who get in trouble and end up facing a deportment order or a jail cell probably deserved it coz they slapped some kitty around coz she didn;t suck a cock good enough, and if such is the case i have absolutely no mercy for somebody who wants to beat on women, no reason for it.
weigh all of this against some of the scams people use in this country, some that have been reported here. how about the one with the girl in your room who wants to call her freind over to watch tv or treat you to a double team?
the "friend" shows up & asks to take a shower or use the cr whatever and next thing you know a knock at the door is two "cops" or pimps pretending to be cops and the girl is **** and naked in your room.
they did that number in cebu not long ago, lapu lapu city to be exact.
recently i saw a guy on the cebu board who posted about being approached in the mall by two "massage" girls, (i thought that old scam went out with the charleston). all these girls do is give a massage and one rubs your back while the other rubs your wallet. if you take only one girl and bring her to your room later you only get a half assed massage, for which she demands like p1000 or some shit. now i'm man enough to admidt i fell victim to this one and i reported it, and a discription of the girl (she had really big tits) which is what got me all stupid it was awhile ago and i felt like a fool but goes to show even experienced mongers do stupid things when they get around great looking pussy. btw i gave her p200 and walked her down and set her ass in a cab when she started making noises like police/barangay captain i want p1000 etc.
so one must use caution and common sense and we continually need reminders of what can happen
regards
spamhog
who could say anything more,you said it all and you are right.guys this is a good report from a stand up guy just read the report and do what you want from here.
keep them straight sh,
b.b...
Peter Solano
12-15-06, 06:11
A very close friend of mine wants to bring his Philippine girlfriend to Colombia, however we have no idea how to go about doing this.
Since there are many seasoned travelers here. I thought perhaps someone here could give us an idea of what steps to take, costs etc.
Any serious input would be much appreciated.
Peter Solano
Barranquilla, Colombia,South America.
Cebu Local
12-15-06, 15:36
A very close friend of mine wants to bring his Philippine girlfriend to Colombia, however we have no idea how to go about doing this.
Since there are many seasoned travelers here. I thought perhaps someone here could give us an idea of what steps to take, costs etc.
Any serious input would be much appreciated.
Peter Solano
Barranquilla, Colombia,South America.As everybody here knows,I am a Travel Agent in real life so Here goes,There is no Columbian Consulate in the Philippines,Just an an Honorary Consulate under Stella Araneta,A Columbian married to one of the rich Araneta Clan.But they might be able to provide basic Information on a Columbian Visa for her. Consulate of Columbia 63-2-9113101 18/F Aurora Tower,Araneta Center Quezon City.Hope this helps
Peter Solano
12-15-06, 16:36
Thanks that is a start, could you give us an idea what a plane ticket would cost and what the itinerary would be? Peter.
As everybody here knows,I am a Travel Agent in real life so Here goes,There is no Columbian Consulate in the Philippines,Just an an Honorary Consulate under Stella Araneta,A Columbian married to one of the rich Araneta Clan.But they might be able to provide basic Information on a Columbian Visa for her. Consulate of Columbia 63-2-9113101 18/F Aurora Tower,Araneta Center Quezon City.Hope this helps
Cebu Local
12-16-06, 02:13
You could use Continental Airlines,Manila-LA-Houston- Columbia,But She will need a US transit Visa.So If it looks like She cannot get one,You Can Try Accesing Latin America using other Carriers,Like MAS go Manila-KL-Buenos Aires-connect to Columbia.Good luck.Budget about 1,200-1,400 Dollars since this is a longer way Cheers
If US visa is difficult take Iberia and go to Mexico City and then fly to Columbia.
Peter Solano
12-16-06, 03:40
Thanks guys, big help. I can see the road is long and difficult.Lets hope she is really serious about coming here and is willing to go through all this. Peter.
Peter Solano
12-16-06, 22:44
Cebu Local,
How difficult is it for a Native to obtain an International Passport?
What would she require, and how much would it cost?
Where would she apply for one? This girl is in Zamboanga city. Thanks again, Peter.
Cebu Local
12-17-06, 00:08
Cebu Local,
How difficult is it for a Native to obtain an International Passport?
What would she require, and how much would it cost?
Where would she apply for one? This girl is in Zamboanga city. Thanks again, Peter.If her papers like Birth certificate are in order very easy 3-5 Days,A Philippine Passport is about 800-1000 pesos depending if you want it rush or not,She can pick up an Application form in the Department of Foriegn Affairs Regional Office in Zamboanga City.
Peter Solano
12-17-06, 02:06
If her papers like Birth certificate are in order very easy 3-5 Days,A Philippine Passport is about 800-1000 pesos depending if you want it rush or not,She can pick up an Application form in the Department of Foriegn Affairs Regional Office in Zamboanga City.
Thank you, how much is $1.000 Pesos in US$ Dollars?
$1 US=Approx 50 pesos
Exact rate could be between 49 to 51 depending on the foreign exchange fluctuation.
Thank you, how much is $1.000 Pesos in US$ Dollars?
It's about $20 USD give or take.
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In Philippines it takes a minimal of two weeks to get a Passport. The girl needs a birth certificate and also Baptismal certificate and a permanent address so that the police can verify. Ofcourse if she knows some influencial person can be done faster.
Yankee 617
12-17-06, 03:59
Cebu Local,
How difficult is it for a Native to obtain an International Passport?
What would she require, and how much would it cost?
Where would she apply for one? This girl is in Zamboanga city. Thanks again, Peter.
The details on what she must do to get a passport can be found here
http://www.gov.ph/faqs/passport.asp
Basically, if she is in Manila, she needs to appear at the Department of Foreign Affairs main office at Roxas Blvd corner Libertad, Pasay City and present
(a) A completed passport application form (attached)
(b) Her official birth certificate
(c) Three copies of a passport photo
(d) A P500 fee
The process is similar in other areas. Just read the instructions. It will probably take them a few weeks to prepare a passport.
Peter Solano
12-17-06, 04:05
Thanks again for all your help. One last question, is $1.000 Pesos a lot of money in Philippines?
Yankee 617
12-17-06, 05:14
Thanks again for all your help. One last question, is $1.000 Pesos a lot of money in Philippines?
Others may be better-informed than me, but here's what I think I know...
A girl in Manila area (e.g. Ste Mesa) may pay 1000 PHP/month to live in a dormitory with 3-4 girls/room. I'm not sure if that includes food. Price may be higher in more central locations.
A girl working in a cantina/restaurant may earn 2000 PHP/month working full time and not have to pay any taxes (or get any benefits).
A student can get a meal in a cantina/restaurant for about 25 PHP. A jeepney ride costs about 6 to 7.5 PHP/person. Internet access can be had in little out-of-the-way shops for only 15 PHP/hour; in the big airconditioned malls, it will cost about 60 PHP/hour.
A girl working in a shop at a mall may earn 2000-3000 PHP/month working full time, but she'll probably lose her job within 6 months (because the employer won't want to start paying benefits and would just prefer to hire someone else).
A freelance girl working in LA Cafe (central Manila) will earn about 1000 PHP if a monger takes her out. That fee will certainly cover short-time and may occasionally cover long-time (overnight) services.
So, yes... I would say that 500-1000 PHP is a "a lot of money" to most girls in the Philippines.
Peter Solano
12-17-06, 05:22
Others may be better-informed than me, but here's what I think I know...
A girl in Manila area (e.g. Ste Mesa) may pay 1000 PHP/month to live in a dormitory with 3-4 girls/room. I'm not sure if that includes food. Price may be higher in more central locations.
A girl working in a cantina/restaurant may earn 2000 PHP/month working full time and not have to pay any taxes (or get any benefits).
A student can get a meal in a cantina/restaurant for about 25 PHP. A jeepney ride costs about 6 to 7.5 PHP/person. Internet access can be had in little out-of-the-way shops for only 15 PHP/hour; in the big airconditioned malls, it will cost about 60 PHP/hour.
A girl working in a shop at a mall may earn 2000-3000 PHP/month working full time, but she'll probably lose her job within 6 months (because the employer won't want to start paying benefits and would just prefer to hire someone else).
A freelance girl working in LA Cafe (central Manila) will earn about 1000 PHP if a monger takes her out. That fee will certainly cover short-time and may occasionally cover long-time (overnight) services.
So, yes... I would say that 500-1000 PHP is a "a lot of money" to most girls in the Philippines.
Thanks a lot Yankee 617, your report clearly shows true knowledge of the area. I guess now we will just have to wait, as the ball is on her court.
Bill Buxton
12-17-06, 07:16
You here lots of gals telling about there foreign bf sending 50,000 a month support thats bullshit in most cases.And if the guy is that stupid,yes stupid to send his little brown princess that much he is verry fucked up.The gals here tell each other about big money and they don't know the first thing about what big money is.
You can send 10,000 a month to most gals here and they can make it work ok.The problem is when they start lending the cash to the RELATHIEVES and they get on the ATM.Thats when you could send all you make a week and they would ask for more. Be careful what you send and what they know about your finances.
A good job in Makati might only yeald a good educated employee around 8-12 thousand -p per month so what ever the Dizzy gals spit out of there rice eating mouth you can be quite sure is BULA BULA (LIES).
The crab mentality kicks in and they all are working on trouble for each other.So never trust a statement from a gal here as the honest truth because it may be just the other way around.
B.B...
Peter Solano
12-17-06, 08:03
You here lots of gals telling about there foreign bf sending 50,000 a month support thats bullshit in most cases.And if the guy is that stupid,yes stupid to send his little brown princess that much he is verry fucked up.The gals here tell each other about big money and they don't know the first thing about what big money is.
You can send 10,000 a month to most gals here and they can make it work ok.The problem is when they start lending the cash to the RELATHIEVES and they get on the ATM.Thats when you could send all you make a week and they would ask for more. Be careful what you send and what they know about your finances.
A good job in Makati might only yeald a good educated employee around 8-12 thousand -p per month so what ever the Dizzy gals spit out of there rice eating mouth you can be quite sure is BULA BULA (LIES).
The crab mentality kicks in and they all are working on trouble for each other.So never trust a statement from a gal here as the honest truth because it may be just the other way around.
B.B...
You brought up a pretty good point. Another friend of mine got taken for US$120 for a web cam, from a Filipina girl.
This warning could very well be applied for every Country in the world, Colombia, Russia, Cuba, but I know it is a big issue in the Philippines. A lot of Internet girls looking for a sucker to wire them money. Peter.
Fastpiston
12-17-06, 08:55
You here lots of gals telling about there foreign bf sending 50,000 a month support thats bullshit in most cases.And if the guy is that stupid,yes stupid to send his little brown princess that much he is verry fucked up.The gals here tell each other about big money and they don't know the first thing about what big money is.
You can send 10,000 a month to most gals here and they can make it work ok.The problem is when they start lending the cash to the RELATHIEVES and they get on the ATM.Thats when you could send all you make a week and they would ask for more. Be careful what you send and what they know about your finances.
A good job in Makati might only yeald a good educated employee around 8-12 thousand -p per month so what ever the Dizzy gals spit out of there rice eating mouth you can be quite sure is BULA BULA (LIES).
The crab mentality kicks in and they all are working on trouble for each other.So never trust a statement from a gal here as the honest truth because it may be just the other way around.
B.B...
Do not send money to Internet 'strangers'. Crazy.
Even sending money to girls once you know them is also very tricky.
Money disappearing is very common even when offshore Filipinos send money to their own family (the risks are far greater when sending money to an Internet 'stranger').
I met a very nice girl who worked in Japan and sent her money on loan to her relatives. She told me that it is now all gone and she will never get it back. She said all her work in Japan was wasted. Husbands and relatives who receive money from their wives overseas usually spend it on San Miguels and flesh. Even if the recipient is honest, there are sharks surrounding them.
Also remember, most girls on Internet have a man in the shadows who is on the food chain! Same with most bar girls. These guys are drawn to girls receiving foreign money like flies to a poo.
Wander Luster
12-17-06, 18:13
I will caution that again I am going to cross post some of this in the Bangkok forum.
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I did not do much hobbying after all while in LOS, but I was there for about 18 days....this was due to having to handle work problems more then having vaca time and some of the work problems meant I want to come back in 6 months when my finances are 4X what they were.
Someone mentioned that Filipinos are more reserved than thais because they are catholic. There is MAYBE something to that, but the best comparison is to Catholics in Latin America. Same idea. Came from what may have been "Animist" religion and then the Spanish forced Catholicism on them. So you have a mix. In that mix for the girls in the PHILS are famous the world over for wanting to please their man. Just spend 20 hours on the dating sites as I have and you'll see that. I don't really know how much the Thai women have this huge urge to please there man.
But the Thai girls know the concept FUN ...no question about that. There was a "playfulness" I found with girls there that is not as common in the Phil’s. I only sampled 3-4 of the fruit of Thailand on this trip (another 8-15 on 3 trips 5-15 years ago). But there FUN attitude was just what I needed given my work is at a very high stress place right now.
I spent my last 10 days on phucket. My God I had no idea the place had changed so much. It looked NOTHING like when I was there about 6 years ago. Honestly, I much preferred the Patong of 6 years ago. But what you do have now is more selection. There are slews of working girls in Patong ...not tough to find your diamond. And I was able to do just that.
What a dream...I just couldn't believe she was new to the game, but she proved it. I don't like girls that are working in bars for too long. Her English was close to zero and for me that just killed the comparison to girls in the Phils. She stayed long term at my hotel, Patong Resort-- which sucks-- and then spent the entire next day with me “free”.
Was such a bummer because of 6 girls I might have met in Cebu she would be #1. And I am very picky and am very good at digging for those hard to find diamonds. But we couldn't talk! I tried to convince her she should try to model...but with no language skills...well. Of the last 20 girls I've boned in the Phils only one did I mention about modeling….but I think that is because I’ve become accustomed to Phils beauty but Thai beauty is new (refresher: this was my first time back to LOS in about 5 or 6 years). Telling a bar girl to try modeling….that’s a topic of a whole other post.
There are a LOT of average looking girls in phuket and to a lesser extent BKK. So if you are a newbie to this hobby, you must learn restraint. Promise yourself to let at least 2 girls that are attainable THAT NIGHT make you harder then you've felt in ages before you choose where to put the hardness where it belongs.
And if you follow my MO, PRETEND as if you are picking these girls up at a disco. Pretend—to yourself—that it really matters what they think of you (and also that you treat them like someone you pick-up in your own country in a disco…not anything less). The more you have to offer, the more any girl will reciprocate. Yes, money is what most want in the offer and may be 99.0% of what matters, but if they really like you and there is a chance you will get to know them then money may be 25% I look at it as if they are not much different than the girl that sleeps with a guy on the 2nd date because for whatever reason she thinks that she’ll enjoy it and that it will be a good thing for remaining a longer term prospect to him if she is really keen on staying with him.
For me, I love BKK because it is NOT Christian and I do like so much of Buddhism stands for. BKK is just a very fun city to explore if you like such things. And I don't just mean seedy exploration. But I love Cebu even more. The phils are simply cheaper in the P4P world and girls are easier to find that are looking for BF experience.
I am going to make a bigger effort to stay away from p4p because I do see too much BS here in Cebu with the way the Mama Sans treat the girls. I thought girls had full discretion about turning down a guy that wants to barfine here...at the places I like...but just from last nights girl I took out here I've seen more of what a hard sell girls get about going with ANYONE that will pay a barfine (this is dancers I'm talking about, the BARS in LOS don't make much from a barfine since it's small). That's only sometimes the case, but when I hear about a girl being roughed up by a guy from the middle east who think women in bars can be treated like dogs and the Mama San does nothing but playing mouth service to looking into it or calling the hotel, as I heard about last night ...well the whole p4p loses some luster.
My work will involve a lot of travel starting 3 months from now. When I can, Russia and it's girls are top of my list (too expensive in W. Europe I think other then the FKK clubs which I don't quite "get" yet) and then when I have the time for some adventure...back to Cambodia and maybe a first time trip to Mongolia. I LOVE tall girls and B+ pr C cups are a must.
This was not as much an inspired post...hope the next one will be.
wander luster, i for one enjoy the phils/thai comparison, i also worked in phuket for a while and found the "local" variety of "southern" girls so much beter and more refreshing than the imported issan peasant girls that primarily populate bkk bars etc. the problem is (i hate to say this) most of the issan girls are... well...stupid. they are also looked down upon by most of bbk even the local "have nots" as their guteral speech and "country ways" are very amusing to the class concious thais.
that to me is one major difference, the intelligence level, not just because filipinas speak english, but on a whole they tend to be better educated than the average thai. of course communication helps but as you pointed out thai girls are much more open about sex and sexual matters and some things need no translation. buddism recognizes no "sin" in the christian concept, there is only merit and karma, one achieves merit by doing good and karma rewards... or punishes, buddah has a sense of humor, screw over too many people and you come back as a toad or something.
can't wait to hear more, brings back a lot of memories...some not all that good...beware the thai!
spamhog
Do not send money to Internet 'strangers'. Crazy.
Even sending money to girls once you know them is also very tricky.
Money disappearing is very common even when offshore Filipinos send money to their own family (the risks are far greater when sending money to an Internet 'stranger').
I met a very nice girl who worked in Japan and sent her money on loan to her relatives. She told me that it is now all gone and she will never get it back. She said all her work in Japan was wasted. Husbands and relatives who receive money from their wives overseas usually spend it on San Miguels and flesh. Even if the recipient is honest, there are sharks surrounding them.
Also remember, most girls on Internet have a man in the shadows who is on the food chain! Same with most bar girls. These guys are drawn to girls receiving foreign money like flies to a poo.
gentlemen:
Trust me on this one, the girls working the internet are doing just that, working, they dont give a damn about you as much as their business. Many of these girls are supporting their families, and you are correct in some cases the "family" is her husband/BF.
You want horror stories? here are a few from the Spamhog files:
Guy who is sending his common law wife $600 as month plus "packages" from the Us every month, she was screwing a filipino neighbor and a local US expat as well, I think the expat was paying her also, "freind" of the Husband.
This bimbo was also working the internet, putting on titty shows for money.
The infamous Judy Altracha, Siren of Davao who was the queen of the internet scamsters, she amassed a fortune from "fiances" all over the world.
She owns several houses and properties all over Davao and some in Cebu. She was on CB until the kicked her off, she reappears on the chat lines every now and then one of a hundred alias'.
The Byot who bilked dozens of men out of money for his "sick" mother. Lives in Davao. This guy was very fine boned and had long hair, wouldn't know he was a guy unless you saw him in person, he was also using the photods of a Philippinnes beauty queen stolen from her web site.
One thing is common gentlemen, these scamsteresses CAN NOT EXIST WITHOUT SOME SAP SENDING THEM MONEY!!!!! You should hear how these girls talk about you and how they brag about how much they make, If some guy sends a hundred bux US they Triple or quadruple the ante.
Nuff said
Spamhog
FireWalker
12-21-06, 10:43
It’s been a year since my operation for Colon Cancer which left me with a Colostomy bag attached to my belly. As a result my wife will not come near me with my bag-o-shit hanging next to my cock.
In my younger days I spent a few vacations in Manila and thought this would be a good time to go on a “business trip” to Asia. I must say I had the time of my life. Thanks to all the guys on ISG for the helpful information which allowed me to prepare on where to go, where to stay, how much to pay, etc.
With the exception of one girl who became quite hysterical when she saw my little friend hanging on my side, most of them were quite understanding and accommodating. In summary, I’d like to suggest to any monger’s who happen to have a disability and can’t get laid in their home country to hop on a plane and get their ass to the P.I.. You will be glad you did. I’ll post a more detailed report later when I have time which I hope is useful to somebody.
I have a suggestion. The Phils has tons of cute nurses. I'm sure you can find plenty of company. Tell them it will be great training for them. They can examine you and you can examine them.
Ah, just returned to the states from a 2 week vacation in the Philippines. Im suffering from major jet lag and serious depression and can think of nothing except how I am going to get back there!! Please help... I'm 37, white, single, average looking, make a good living, and now hate American girls even more...
I spent 4 nights in Angeles, 4 in Puerto Galero, 2 in Manila, and 5 in Alona Beach on Panglau Island in Bohol. It started out to be a scuba diving trip with a little Pilipina action on the side. It turned into a trip with a lot of Pilipina action and a little scuba on the side. (-;
All the girls I met in Angeles were some of the sweetest and nicest girls. Never had a single problem. Barfined 1 or 2 at a time, took them barhopping, had great fun in the bars and a great time back in the room. Tipped them very well and am still in contact with a few. Actually took a cherry girl the last night because I was so worn out and just wanted to cuddle. (ahhhh (-; ) She was a true sweetheart though. These girls are in a strange town sleeping with strange men for basically very little money, so give them a break...
Barfined a few very cute, 18/19 yo girls in Puerto Galera. 5 or 6 discos there. They were good and had nice bodies, but didn't stick around long. 2k/barfine there though. Some freelance action there too, but didn't try it. Got a few decent dives in, but got hit with the typhoon, so no more diving. Its a fun town to hang out in the bars and play pool, and I highly rocommend a massage at the castle looking place - the best I ever had (legit though). The beach isn't very good there though - rooms are pretty cheap and right on the water.
I had 2 fantastic girls in Manila that I met at the LA Cafe. That is a very cool place - all freelance. One had the best body of a girl I have ever been with! I tried to hook up with her again but never connected. The other was this 19 yo, that I spent the last 5 days with in Alona beach, that stole my heart.
I had taken this girl for the night from LA Cafe. She was very cute, spoke very good English, and was relatively intelligent, so conversation was good. She wanted to go to Alona with me really bad. So on a whim, I said ok, since there wasn't going to be any action there. I had to get her a later flight, so I bought her a ticket. I figured if she shows up, great, if not I'm only out 50 bucks - better to find out now rather than later that she is a scammer. She wasn't a pro by any means, but I also doubt that was her first time in LA. She was down in Manila from her north Luzon province for a week doing some paperwork for her travel visa she is trying to get. She wanted to make some money for the bus, her room, and to take back with her. Her story really did check out and she is back in her province now. She's trying to get to the US to live with her aunt there. She was a lot of fun, took very good care of me with the cabs and any bullshit we encountered, and never once gave me any bula-bula. She is somewhat infatuated with marrying a foreigner, so intentions are more about looking for a boyfriend. The sex was good, but not the best I've had. She definitely had a bit of a jealous streak and a temper, but I like a girl with a little spunk. The only problem was that I was not allowed more than 50 feet from her at any time!
But anyway, we had a good time, toured Bohol, and went out on the dive boats daily, and of course shopping. She took me to the airport (to make sure I was actually getting on the plane I'm sure), and she even cried when I left which was cute. I'm still in contact with her via SMS over Yahoo Messenger, and she is bored back in her province. She sends me very sweet messages a lot. She wants to know when I'm coming back, and I can think of nothing else.
My only question is what is real and what isn't? I feel like a kid coming home from Disney World trying to figure out if the Pirates of the Carribean were actually robots. (-; But seriously, she is half my age, and a world apart. I would like to see her again, but would also like to sample other Pilipinas. I'm not sure where I go at this point. I just know I am so depressed at this point and miss her a lot.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
You sound like a big tipper...scarry to most of us...
Just breath man! Chat with her, tell her the truth that it will be X months before you get back there and NO you can't send her any money for the sick hamster, and see what happens...
Hobby Knob
12-23-06, 09:40
She definitely had a bit of a jealous streak and a temper, but I like a girl with a little spunk. The only problem was that I was not allowed more than 50 feet from her at any time!A Jealous filipina? What are the odds? LOL
Spivey24 - Enjoyed your post. I don't think you're alone in experiencing PPD (Post-Pinay Depression) syndrome. Unfortunately, there is no cure that I'm aware of other than the next trip to PI.
You asked the question "what is real and what isn't?" The answer is everything you experienced was real even though it might seem more like fantasy now that you're back home to whatever your normal reality is.
I had a similar experience on a previous trip - after hitting the bars for a while I found one particular girl that I hit it off with more than others (although some others were great also). She was about half my age (19), gorgeous & seemed thrilled to be around me - something that would never happen to me in the U.S. She would have married me in an instant. I was more cautious and once back to reality in the U.S. could think things through a bit more. Even if I was sure I wanted to get married, how practical would this be? If I brought her here to the U.S. , she would not know anyone but me & I work a lot. Filipinas areren't used to being alone & family and friends are much more important there. So I think it would be a difficult adjustment for most. We kept in touch over the Internet & phone for over a year, but I made her no promises & she ended up finding someone else & getting married. Even so she still emails me once in a while to ask how I'm doing. Btw, she never once asked for money from me so there are some girls there that aren't only interested in finding a money-ko. While some mainly want your money, I think others mostly want a way out of poverty (and maybe the bar scene) to a better life with a decent guy. As for the girl you met, keep in touch with her if you really like her. Be honest with her though - if you're not interested in getting married anytime soon, let her know that & just see how things go. If you want to sample more Filipinas, I'd suggest doing that first when you go again & although I generally believe in honesty, this would be an exception -Don't tell your girl since she'll likely be very upset that you want to be with anyone but her.
Anyway, in the meantime, just try to look forward to your next trip. I don't think there will be a shortage of great girls in the PI anytime soon.
I have one question for you - Can you give any more information on Alona Beach? I like to dive a bit & like a nice beach in general. I've considered visiting Bohol on my next trip. How was it there? Is there much to do there other than diving? I'd appreciate any advice or info. you can share.
Cebu Local
12-25-06, 01:30
Alona Beach on Panglao Island has a few basic restaurants and beer places.But Its strictly a bring your own type of place.You can take Day Trips to see the other Bohol attractions like Tarsiers,Loboc River Cruise and Chocolate Hils.Tagbilaran the Provincial Capital is a 30 minute Drive away from Alona Beach.Cheers
Hey Mongers,
After spending hours and sometimes even day reading and relishing your reports, I'm finally ready to take the plung. But due to my work schedule, I can only travel between Dec29 to Jan 15, and I know that P.I. is a catholic country and so the girls usually go home to spend time with their families. I would appreciate any feedback or heads up any of you PI veterans can give me about traveling at this time.
P.S. My deepest appreciation to all of you, who take your time and effort in posting here, so that novices, like me, can save alot of time, money, and hard ache.
Naked Gunz
12-27-06, 15:41
She sends me very sweet messages a lot. She wants to know when I'm coming back, and I can think of nothing else.
My only question is what is real and what isn't? I feel like a kid coming home from Disney World trying to figure out if the Pirates of the Carribean were actually robots. (-; But seriously, she is half my age, and a world apart. I would like to see her again, but would also like to sample other Pilipinas. I'm not sure where I go at this point. I just know I am so depressed at this point and miss her a lot.
Dude!...You just described the Disneyland of poontang. Even Disneyland gets very old if ride the same ride everyday.
Hey Mongers,
After spending hours and sometimes even day reading and relishing your reports, I'm finally ready to take the plung. But due to my work schedule, I can only travel between Dec29 to Jan 15, and I know that P.I. is a catholic country and so the girls usually go home to spend time with their families. I would appreciate any feedback or heads up any of you PI veterans can give me about traveling at this time.
P.S. My deepest appreciation to all of you, who take your time and effort in posting here, so that novices, like me, can save alot of time, money, and hard ache.
If you are planning to strickly monger then I would hang in Manila/Makati/Ermita/Malate, or Angles however if you want to see the rest of the country well,,,just avoid Cebu from the first week of January on, the ASEAN summit is then and things go nuts a week beforehand, plus Sinulog festival starts 14th. Possible you might get a good hotel room NOW before the stuff starts and Cebu is a nice area with truckloads of available women. However, you may wish to check out Davao or Cagayan De Oro. Mongering is different in those areas not so commercialized but better luck with meeting a cutie working in the store or waitressing.
As far as the Girls "disappearing" over the holidays don't worry, still plenty of 'em around, plus if you go to the provinces (Davao/Cagayan etc. thats where a lot of the Manila/Angeles pros are from.
Good luck
Spamhog
Giannibella
12-29-06, 10:57
Hi,
Can somebody tell to me, in a few words of course, how is the mongering situation in Borocay?
I already tried to search on the forum but I did not find what I look for.
Be patient with me please.
Joe Banana
12-30-06, 11:34
Hi Spivey, has the barfine really gone up to 2k in Sabang or is it still 1k for the bar and 1k for the girl? I'm looking forward to gettimg back there in April.
Hi,
Can somebody tell to me, in a few words of course, how is the mongering situation in Borocay?
I already tried to search on the forum but I did not find what I look for.
Be patient with me please.
You can find reports on Boracay under the "other areas" section, I did one in June (?) and a little later you will see one by a guy called Mahklu, who has a PHD in mongering. Boracay is not really all that good for mongering, normally it is a place you take your special girl for a honeymoon or a few days alone but, as everywhere in the Phils, one can always find something. You might try Cocomangas Shooters bar or a disco called "the wave" but the locals "working" the places aren't all that great looking, you might get real lucky and score one of the dozens of Korean or Japanaese tourist girls, but a wing man is advisable as they usually show up in twos threes and fours.
Good Luck
spamhog
Fast Eddie 48
12-31-06, 07:32
I am not getting any respond on my email to manila from the US is anyone else got the same problems ,I know email system in pi is very slow and the
earth quak in Taiwan is not helping .
fast eddie 48
I am not getting any respond on my email to manila from the US is anyone else got the same problems ,I know email system in pi is very slow and the
earth quak in Taiwan is not helping .
fast eddie 48
There is a Philippines wide problem with Yahoo, Google and many other search engines, been going on for several days, probably coz of the Taiwan situation but also everybody is on the internet trying to get into those systems which is making everything slow, hard for me to pull up this site(SLOOOOOWWWW) and can only read my PM in the morning
regards
Spamhog
Giannibella
12-31-06, 09:49
You can find reports on Boracay under the "other areas" section, I did one in June (?) and a little later you will see one by a guy called Mahklu, who has a PHD in mongering. Boracay is not really all that good for mongering, normally it is a place you take your special girl for a honeymoon or a few days alone but, as everywhere in the Phils, one can always find something. You might try Cocomangas Shooters bar or a disco called "the wave" but the locals "working" the places aren't all that great looking, you might get real lucky and score one of the dozens of Korean or Japanaese tourist girls, but a wing man is advisable as they usually show up in twos threes and fours.
Good Luck
spamhogMany tanks for informations, I'll try the same because some friends told me that the place is wonderfull, so I am going for 4 or 5 days, maybe alone, and I'll sure report to all guys.
There is a Philippines wide problem with Yahoo, Google and many other search engines, been going on for several days, probably coz of the Taiwan situation but also everybody is on the internet trying to get into those systems which is making everything slow, hard for me to pull up this site(SLOOOOOWWWW) and can only read my PM in the morning
regards
Spamhog
Along those lines, international telephone connections are hit or miss right now, mostly miss for me. I'm in California and I have only been able to get through to the Phils by phone once since the earthquake and the connection was terrible. Also my Smart SIM roaming ain't. Yahoo IM seems to work, but audio sucks and webcam mostly freezes. Pity the poor scammers who are probably starving.
At the moment, I am hearing at least 3 more weeks before service will improve.
Fastpiston
12-31-06, 18:20
Along those lines, international telephone connections are hit or miss right now, mostly miss for me. I'm in California and I have only been able to get through to the Phils by phone once since the earthquake and the connection was terrible. Also my Smart SIM roaming ain't. Yahoo IM seems to work, but audio sucks and webcam mostly freezes. Pity the poor scammers who are probably starving.
At the moment, I am hearing at least 3 more weeks before service will improve.
I always have problems getting through to Phils around New Years and Christmas. It must be all the offshore Filipinos calling their relatives to wish them Merry Christmas and the Happy New Year. Add to that severed Internet cables and you have a real problem.
Wander Luster
01-01-07, 04:08
I always have problems getting through to Phils around New Years and Christmas. It must be all the offshore Filipinos calling their relatives to wish them Merry Christmas and the Happy New Year. Add to that severed Internet cables and you have a real problem.
Trust me, I own a techie company there...it is not the holidays...the typhoon has skrewed up internet connections and phone lines big time. It's cost me 1000s USD.
Also having problems with Chika. My Smart Sim stopped roaming. Any ideas when all this will be fixed? GF she is pissed.
Hi Spivey, has the barfine really gone up to 2k in Sabang or is it still 1k for the bar and 1k for the girl? I'm looking forward to gettimg back there in April.It was 2K, half goes to the girl. It was the same at all the discos.
Trust me, I own a techie company there...it is not the holidays...the typhoon has skrewed up internet connections and phone lines big time. It's cost me 1000s USD.Wander Luster, I'm looking for info on tech compnies in PI - looking for consultants. Do you have any contacts or info? I am a paid member on this site, but it won't let me PM.
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Hi Spivey24,
I checked the forum's membership and subscription records. There's no record of you ever having been a subscriber, and there's no record of you ever having paid for a subscription.
Please don't tell people that you're a paid member but your PM isn't working. This suggests to other members that the PM system won't work even if they buy a subscription.
Thanks,
Jackson
Also having problems with Chika. My Smart Sim stopped roaming. Any ideas when all this will be fixed? GF she is pissed.
I have some connections to the telecom/ISP companies involved. The initial public estimates were 7 days, but that was too optimistic considering the logistics. Then they said 2 weeks in official notices, but I was hearing 3 weeks on the side. My best guess is 1 to 2 more weeks. It shouldn't take longer than that as there is a lot of pressure to get it done.
So hang in there is all I can say. If they get it fixed up sooner, that would be great for all as lots of companies and people are losing money because of the poor connectivity.
Kiowa, if your GF doesn't understand it's out of your control, perhaps you need to find another GF.
Thanks for the info Finrod. GF is undercontrol, she understands. Just pissed off at Smart.
Kiowa, it's out of Smart's control as well. Not that your GF will understand that, she has to lash out at something and I get that.
On to the news update: there's been a setback in the repair efforts. One of the cable laying ships pitched a fit and had to go back to Taipei for repairs that will last at least a week. That is public news somewhere. So now I am hearing January 16 as the due date to get half of it fixed and January 30 for complete restoration of service for the set of cables that was disrupted by the earthquake.
There has been considerable rerouting through Europe so that is helping some: my Smart SIM started roaming again today. But Yahoo Messenger audio and webcam still sucks; only IM is OK.
Ah, just returned to the states from a 2 week vacation in the Philippines. Im suffering from major jet lag and serious depression and can think of nothing except how I am going to get back there!! Please help... I'm 37, white, single, average looking, make a good living, and now hate American girls even more.
I spent 4 nights in Angeles, 4 in Puerto Galero, 2 in Manila, and 5 in Alona Beach on Panglau Island in Bohol. It started out to be a scuba diving trip with a little Pilipina action on the side. It turned into a trip with a lot of Pilipina action and a little scuba on the side. (-;
All the girls I met in Angeles were some of the sweetest and nicest girls. Never had a single problem. Barfined 1 or 2 at a time, took them barhopping, had great fun in the bars and a great time back in the room. Tipped them very well and am still in contact with a few. Actually took a cherry girl the last night because I was so worn out and just wanted to cuddle. (ahhhh (-; ) She was a true sweetheart though. These girls are in a strange town sleeping with strange men for basically very little money, so give them a break.
Barfined a few very cute, 18/19 yo girls in Puerto Galera. 5 or 6 discos there. They were good and had nice bodies, but didn't stick around long. 2k/barfine there though. Some freelance action there too, but didn't try it. Got a few decent dives in, but got hit with the typhoon, so no more diving. Its a fun town to hang out in the bars and play pool, and I highly rocommend a massage at the castle looking place - the best I ever had (legit though). The beach isn't very good there though - rooms are pretty cheap and right on the water.
I had 2 fantastic girls in Manila that I met at the LA Cafe. That is a very cool place - all freelance. One had the best body of a girl I have ever been with! I tried to hook up with her again but never connected. The other was this 19 yo, that I spent the last 5 days with in Alona beach, that stole my heart.
I had taken this girl for the night from LA Cafe. She was very cute, spoke very good English, and was relatively intelligent, so conversation was good. She wanted to go to Alona with me really bad. So on a whim, I said ok, since there wasn't going to be any action there. I had to get her a later flight, so I bought her a ticket. I figured if she shows up, great, if not I'm only out 50 bucks - better to find out now rather than later that she is a scammer. She wasn't a pro by any means, but I also doubt that was her first time in LA. She was down in Manila from her north Luzon province for a week doing some paperwork for her travel visa she is trying to get. She wanted to make some money for the bus, her room, and to take back with her. Her story really did check out and she is back in her province now. She's trying to get to the US to live with her aunt there. She was a lot of fun, took very good care of me with the cabs and any bullshit we encountered, and never once gave me any bula-bula. She is somewhat infatuated with marrying a foreigner, so intentions are more about looking for a boyfriend. The sex was good, but not the best I've had. She definitely had a bit of a jealous streak and a temper, but I like a girl with a little spunk. The only problem was that I was not allowed more than 50 feet from her at any time!
But anyway, we had a good time, toured Bohol, and went out on the dive boats daily, and of course shopping. She took me to the airport (to make sure I was actually getting on the plane I'm sure), and she even cried when I left which was cute. I'm still in contact with her via SMS over Yahoo Messenger, and she is bored back in her province. She sends me very sweet messages a lot. She wants to know when I'm coming back, and I can think of nothing else.
My only question is what is real and what isn't? I feel like a kid coming home from Disney World trying to figure out if the Pirates of the Carribean were actually robots. (-; But seriously, she is half my age, and a world apart. I would like to see her again, but would also like to sample other Pilipinas. I'm not sure where I go at this point. I just know I am so depressed at this point and miss her a lot.
EDITOR'S NOTE: I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please Click Here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.Ok, I have had a week plus to decompress now and ease back into reality. I survived another Christmas, and get to drink myself stupid for New Years in a couple of days. The Philippines seem like a dream now, but I awake every morning with a smile thinking about it.
I wasn't quite prepared for what that place can do to you. I've been to other non-asian mongering locals like Costa Rica, Curacao, and others, but there were language barriers there and the girls were sweet, but just looking to make some quick money to take back home. The Filipinas are quite a different experience. The whole GFE thing is definitely fun - whether they are looking for a boyfriend, someone to father their kids, or just looking for return business, it doesn't matter - its still good and real as it gets. After 20 years of mediocre response from American women at best, to get that kind of attention and sex, rocks! I've had plenty of American girlfriends, and have one too many at the moment, but I will definitely return to the Phillipines for more Filipina “love”.
As for my little 19yo I spent 5 days with in Alona, asking me for money 5 times in one week got me over her real quick! Oh well, she wasn't that great in bed anyway and I was getting really tired of texting about nothing. (-; I'm just not interested in supporting someone, and getting nothing in return - I already have that right here in the USA (-; Oh well, here is a little more info about my trip that might be useful to others...
Due to the typhoon, my flight got screwed up on Cebu Pacific from Hong Kong to Manila. Cebu Pacific has great flights, but their reservation system sucks! I wanted the hell out of Hong Kong, and the only flight guaranteed out was a way over-priced ticket on Philippine Airlines, so I took it and away I went. The only problem was I arrived way too early for my private car, so I had to get alternate transport to Angeles. I didn't have the fly-the-bus schedule with me and didn't want to be stuck at the Swagman, so I remembered reading about the Victory Liner bus. So I took a cab to the bus terminal and grabbed a bus to Dao. The cabbie jacked me even with a meter somehow. The Victory bus is clean and comfy and I felt relatively safe. I was the only white dude on there, but got lots of smiles from the young ladies traveling. I would not recommend Victory if you are not an experienced traveler or have a lot of luggage, but otherwise it is fine (and cheap). A door-to-door car would have been easier of course. So a trike ride from the bus terminal in Angeles to my hotel, and the adventure begins. If its your first time in Angeles, I would recommend arriving during daylight. It was a bit overwhelming to arrive there at night – a shock to all the senses to say the least. I was booked at the Pacific Breeze hotel, which was supposed to have opened just a few days earlier. Well it didn’t. (-; It looks like a nice place and is owned by the same people as the Central Park and has rooms for $50. So the girls at the Cetral Park hotel called around and got me a room at the Hana hotel. It’s a decent place, but all the way up on Perimeter. It has a very nice pool and the suites are nice rooms and the front desk staff were great – otherwise nothing special.
So my first night out, I stopped in a couple of smaller bars, but just had a beer at each. Then I found Pasha. This place had a ton of girls working – wow! I went to the bar and had a few drinks with the manager – really nice guy – indonesian-dutch or something. A cute waitress came over and I had some drinks with her and her friend. After a while, I bar-fined them both, and we went bar-hopping and playing pool, and had a lot of fun. I ended up cutting her friend loose – she was a lot of fun to hang out with but not so hot, so I just took the one cute one back to the room. We had some great bareback sex, got a great bbbj in the morning, and we stayed in bed and at the pool most of the next day, screwing every couple of hours. I had to finally make up an excuse for her to leave at around 3pm – I don’t think she would have left on her own accord. The second night, the jet lag kicked in and I slept most of the night, woke up at 4am, went down to Mo’s and watched football til the sun came up, got some breakfast then took a walk down Santos St. Ended up short-timing an 18yo cute cherry girl at a place across the street from Wild Orchard and got an incredible bbbjcim, all for 1100 pesos – gotta love it! Highly recommend trying these “bj bars”. The third night I met some guy while drinking at Mo’s and we went to Nero’s because he wanted to meet up with this girl there. We ended up having a LOT of fun with the naughty officers there. We had them doing tequilla shots off of each other’s bare nipples. It got quite wild back in the corner and much clothes came off the girls. I had moved to the Cetral Park hotel at this point, so I took 2 of the officers back to the room after a little barhopping. We had a great 3some and they stayed til morning, we went to breakfast and sent them on their way after exchanging phone numbers. I had brought a Cingular phone with me that I had unlocked, and got a sim card there. I really recommned this, so you can text the girls and stay in contact with the good ones. Its fun getting messages all the time. The forth night was uneventful, then came leaving Angeles for my next stop (after another trip to the Santos bars and another bbbjcim from a different 18yo!). This was very hard to pull myself away from Angeles, but I had to go scuba diving and I knew there would be more pussy there.
I took the fly-the-bus down to Manila and stayed overnight at the Swagman. The bus to Puerto Galero wasn’t leaving til 8am. The Swagman is a decent hotel – the lobby is nice and they had some good live music, but I didn’t care for the rooms much. Its very convenient for taking the fly-the-bus though. I decided to try the LA Café I read about. This place was hopping with 60+ girls or so – its all freelance there. I had a few beers and had to brush off a few annoying girls, but overall I liked the place. Then this one girl walked over - she was very good looking, so we had some drinks and she agreed to come back to my place for 1500p + tip. She wanted to walk back to the hotel instead of taking a cab. I didn’t really like that, but we got there safe. She ended up having an amazing body, and I was in complete heaven the whole time doing her. The second time around she told me to sperm in her mouth, so I obligued! She left after about 4 hours as we had agreed – had to get home early for something. I wanted her so bad the rest of the trip, but never could hook up with her again. She was so hot!
The next day I caught the bus and ferry to Puerto Galero/Sabang (via Swagman fly-the-bus). It took about 4 hours all together, but wasn’t too bad. The people from Swagman were really good and made sure everything went smooth and we got on the boat safely. I found a little hotel called Seashore or something and got a nice room right on the beach for 1300 a night. Hot water was an issue at times, but overall a good, quiet place. Power and cable tv are not a given on this island! Most places have to run partially off of generators. Puerto Galero is an interesting town. The scuba diving was good, but due to the full moon, the currents were running fast. The best diving is a longer trip to Verde island. Due to the storms coming through, no dive shop was going there unfortunately, so I never saw it, but still got some local dives in that were nice. I found a good dive shop owned by a Belgium guy. Go to a bar called the Divers Den (I think) a block off the beach - it has big murials on the wall. He also sponsors paint ball games. There is not much of a beach in Sabang, but they have some nice resorts, good restaraunts, and good bars right on the beach. I spent a couple of days in the bars playing pool with some ex-pats and Aussies, and had a great relaxing time drinking some San Miguels. Had a fantastic legit massage a couple of times at this castle looking hotel up the street from the beach area. Actually the girl doing it wanted to meet me after work, but she didn't get off til 11pm. Wish I had, but didn't because I had another girl by then. There are about 6 discos with girls in this town. There is a decent selection with some cuties – not like Angeles but still good. I found plenty of talent in the discos - I didn't see much freelance action that looked any good, but there was plenty around. The mamasans are a little pushy in the discos but they will find you anything you like, so use them. I took a hottie back to the room each night after barhopping – the barfine was 2000p, half for the girl. One didn’t stay, but I was too tired to care. I got stuck there an extra day because of the storms and no boats were running. I finally got off on the only boat leaving that day, but the trip back was from hell due to the waves and chop – never again will I take a boat in PI in bad weather!!
I got back to Manila at the Swagman, but after the extended boat ride, I was too late to catch a flight out. So I decided to try another hotel called Lotus Garden. It was very nice for PI standards and cost $50. Much more professional and clean than any other place I stayed, but not much personality either. I hadn’t done much research on Manila as I only expected to be there one night, so after a long sleep, I headed back to LA Café at 4am. I was a little worried it would be dead, but to my surprise, it was packed and hopping! I stayed a little while drinking, not having much luck, but then came in this little 19yo cutie at 5am. She was good looking, had a nice body, spoke great English, and was relatively intelligent. So we talked for a while, ate some french fries, then headed back to the room. Never once discussed money. Her story was she was down in Manila to do some paperwork for her visa. The story seemed to check out, but who knows. I had told her I was heading down to Alona beach the next day, and she was very interested in coming, but I was a little weary of bringing a girl that I had known for a few hours. I was having some serious indecision about this, but decided in the morning to bring her. I checked out, we got in the cab, stopped by her place to pick up a few things, paid her landlord 2K for rent which I gave the landlord directly because she wouldn’t let her leave without paying (-; Then of course got stuck in Manila traffic. By the time I got to the airport, I was very late, and ended up having to get my girl a ticket on a later plane. I made the flight by the skin of my teeth on Cebu and off I went on a good flight.
In Taglibaran I arranged transport for my girl to the hotel since she was coming in later. I made my cabbie take me a few places in Alona beach before I found one I liked – ended up at a place called Alona Divers – nice place but a little overpriced at 3000p for beach front with no hot water. They had garder view rooms for 1500p too. You can get rooms a few blocks from the beach for as little as 800p. They happened to be doing a twighlight dive that night, so I went straight out for dive. I honestly didn’t know if my girl was going to show, but wasn’t that pressed, since I would only be out 50 bucks if she scammed me. I had a good feeling about her though. I came back to my room after the dive, and to my surprise she was there. But unfortunately she had major ear problems on her very bad flight and was in a lot of pain. So much for the perfect trip… I gave her some sudafed and tylenol and hoped it would clear, but it never did get much better. And I heard about it plenty the whole trip! )-; We spent four days there, went out on the dive boat each day. She would snorkel or just hang on the boat while I dove. I thought she might get bored but she seemed fine. The diving was really good – excellent corals and lots of palagics, and not much current. Dive boats go mostly to Balicasag island and local dives each day, but a few will go to Cabilao island which is woth the trip and extra cost. Just ask around. Alona beach is kind of sleepy – its nice with restaurants right on the beach serving the catch of the day grilled. Its mainly about 7 or 8 large resorts in a row with some shops here and there and a nice beach, and a bunch of smaller outdoor bars. Great to relax and do some diving, but not much nightlife. I didn’t see much action going on, but I didn’t look too hard either.
We went into town in Taglibaran a few times to eat or kick around town. Somehow we always ended up at the mall though. She was quite happy to shop if I was paying, of course. She had her eye on a new cel phone. I explained to her it was coming out of the money I had planned to give her for Christmas at the end of the trip, so she still got it. (-; They will get the better of you eventually, but I took it out in trade that night though (-;. Overall, it was nice to have someone to go out with and eat with and sleep with and kick around with and shower with. I saw a lot more being with her because she was really good at getting around, and took no shit from anyone, especially when it had to do with money. She got in a fight with every cab driver, because they always tried to jack us and she wouldn’t put up with it – it was pretty funny though. Quite a temper on that little one. We went on a tour the last day around Bohol and saw the chocolate mountains and other things – it was good to play tourist for a day.
Overall, I liked the experience of traveling with a girl. Its kind of a risk, because you really don’t know how they will be. My girl was very sweet and very trustworthy so it worked out (for the most part). But they are your responsibility there since you took them. The down side was I was never allowed more than 50 ft from her at any one time, seriously - she had some major jealousy and trust issues (for good reason with me (-;). So I didn’t get to play as much as I would have liked – I’m used to a lot of “me” time at home, so it took some getting used to.
We flew back to Manila and said our crying goodbyes at the Manila airport and I had an uneventful trip home – 30 hours door-to-door from Alona Beach to Washington DC! But I survived and it was SO worth it. Singapore airlines rock if you ever get a chance to take them.
The only problem now, is that I can think of nothing but going back. I am scheming and plotting, and shall return!
Bill Buxton
01-05-07, 16:22
Guys;
This is a problem some of us have learned the hard way and yes me also.The gals at your hotel are looking for a free ride anywhere as we all know.I have fallen VICTOM yes thats the right wording for this scamm.You check in and get to know the staff and after a while they use the devel in the red dress deal.What I am saying is they take and meet you at another hotel and fuck your brains out and yes this is great but,the downside is they have a roster of others ahead and behind you they have also played.
They have a great job,they know who,what,when the guys is getting into town and then they work the magic.They lie and have many others sending cash and some as close as 2-3 rooms away helping them along.Watch the magic and yes I have even had them finish (resign)there work and go with me.And after 2-3 weeks I find out they are KEBET "MISTRESS" To another guy who is married with a family.They are getting money from others they meet at hotels in the daytime and fucking me whenever they can get back from all the other shit they are doing.
YES, THE BEST LITTLE SCAMMERS IN THE WORLD ARE HERE LOOKING FOR A FREE RIDE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.AND YES, WHEN THAT LITTLE BROWN HONEY HAS YOUR MANHOOD IN HER MOUTH IT'S HARD TO BELEAVE YOU ARE NOT "THE ONE AND ONLY".
This has happened to me 2 times in 5 months and after a week or two the game is over and some peso's are spent so what right?Wrong they are off after the next guy.In most hotels the management would fire out anyone doing this, but some save the practice for there older emplyees to work there deals inhouse without any danger of loosing there job.What a way to run a business ha.When in the P.I. be ready for anything and yes you can get whatever you see you like from where I stand.Never think just because you know a gals sister that the other is a great gal because the joke could be on you.
And on another note never think the gal is not a pro great if she asks if you can insert the bottom end of a sam,mig light bottle in her PUSSY and she wants more after 3/4 of it is inside.Yes she wanted the beer bottle and then after 10 minutes wanted what I had to offer,UNREAL!!! Now thats a gal I want to take back to meet MOM.I have never seen a gal do that here, and only 1 other time back home.And she also told me she was not good in bed before I did the deed with her the first time.She was a sex crazed anamal yes it was good but the 3 kid the ex boyfrend(who punched her teeth out who she still is supporting) The german guy giving her money and others after trips to manila did not make me feel I had much of a prize.And the mothers American bf had no Idea all this was going on behind his back with his girlfrends daughter who is at the ripe age of 28.This guy has lived and supported all this shit knowing and not knowing all the shit that was going on within his about to be step children.I guess after 2 years not knowing whats up this guy should take notice and wonder what kind of shit are they pulling on him.After all when the mom's 3 little angels need somthing they run to her and him to save the day.And as we all know it's hard to say no when it cames to a dog and his meat.
Fools come in all shapes and sizes and yes even after staying here for a long time we all can fall at the feet of the little brown gal with a regular job who wants to project the image of I AM AN ANGEL TAKE PITTY ON ME.
B.B...
Bill Buxton
01-05-07, 16:30
Yes all this drama went on 100 feet apart from one hotel to the other.
KEEP IT IN THE FAMILY RIGHT.
B.B.
Be careful when entering the US of A with your laptop
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/24/business/laptop.php
Billy Ibrox
01-06-07, 10:18
Eaglestar,
That was a great link ye gave and I would like tae see a LOT maere like it. Just tae give ye the lowdown laddie: when ye enter the United States, even as a US citizen, ye have NAE rights whatsover. Ye get that? They can do wtf they like. That is the law. You enter your own country as a privilege not as a right. I am sure there are good reasons for it but it is the law. So the customs cops can do anything either at the airport or later.
In many EU countries, if ye try to bring in a contraband CD or whatever and get caught, yer in deep shit laddie. And ye cannae argue becasue ye have nae rights.
On a personal level, I would like tae see maer posts like that and the stuff about cops shaking down gullible punters. Generally speaking wehn we travel to the Philippines or wherever, we are vulnerable. I would like more posts on howe to be less vulnerable.
Although I thimk the La Cafe shakedown is scarier, yer post is good as waht is tae stop a corrupt customs man doing ye over? Fuck all is and thats a sobering thought so it is.
way I look at it, you have nothing to hide, not a big thing
George Bush, if you are reading this, Alqeada won't do any with planes again.
Yes there will be other major attacks but their thinking is not as elementary as yours.
the last several reports deal with various land mines one encounters in this country and i guess in my native land. well a few things for the lot of ye blocklishes who would adventure 'mongst an alien people in the hot devil lands.
be real careful around mongering areas, the no ham for lunch bunch has threatened to do a fine olde dooblin style bombin' where a bunch of ye foreign devils rut, angeles city and makati are real targets, easy to do, come by on a motorbike, bust out a window and lob a grenade through the hole when everybody be full o' the guiness. look at this crap in thailand, that is a warning, my money is on a bomb at nanaplaza next. maybe somewhere here during the asean summit.
as far as ye highlander being shaken doon by the old bill, unless ye do something real stupid (nothing personal) you dont have too many a worry.
some common ones i've seen the room tempature iq crowd perpetrate:
the ever popular punch up on a trull for poor service, lack of, or stealin yer treasures, usually while drunk. second to this is thinkin yer such a badass from street boppin' in glasglow, the bronx or possumfuck tennesse and getting put on your ass by a 140lb filipino. i always enjoy seeing the later.
**** anything (you deserve this one)
smuggling things in or out of the country, like pornography on cd's, hustler mags etc,(a minor fine)smuggle something out like counterfeit treasury notes or travelers checks, expect jail, they catch one idiot a month doing this.
anything to do with drugs, death penalty is still on the books for this one. usually catch some moron backpackers at boracay/palawan but i've seen a few guys get busted scoring street shabu and marijuana, dont trust your girls or street pimps on this one, also hilarious to see.
trying to stiff the locals for a bill, you are gonna get caught so don't try it.
last, the most common "stings" you will run into are the things that bill b mentions in his report, yes gentlemen the little heart breakers get you "cumming" and going. if it happens, dont get pissed, dont try to get even, chalk it up to experience and move on, anything else will bring the law and a load of problems you dont need.
do not try to beat hustlers at their game.
enjoy
spamhog
Going to AC, Baguio, and Makati for a total of 10 days.
How much cash is needed for everything including mongering?
Thanks
depends on your taste
the average room is about 30 us per night. typical meal with drinks = 7 x 3
girl overnight + tip = 30 in AC, bar hopping = (if not alcoholic) 20
I advise you not to follow your set itinerary unless it is business
Stay in Manila and most in AC if you are there just for mongering.
good luck and have fun
Thanks for the advice. It will be my first trip. So yes nervous but I will hopefully run into some ex pats who will steer me right!! I get a feeling that I will write a bigger thanks to you when I get back. I get into Manila on 2/7 at 11 PM. I wont get into AC till early morning.
Noticed in your post you will be getting into Manila @ 11pm. If you are staying overnight in Manila get a taxi at the "Nissan Stand" (on the left as you leave the terminal doors). At 11 pm I would not go down (incline) to the arrivals hall unless someone was picking me up. Had some pretty weird experieces there.
A cab from the Nissan Stand will cost you a little more, but at 11 pm in Manila it is worth it. Good luck.
Thanks for the advice. It will be my first trip. So yes nervous but I will hopefully run into some ex pats who will steer me right!! I get a feeling that I will write a bigger thanks to you when I get back. I get into Manila on 2/7 at 11 PM. I wont get into AC till early morning.
To each his own but this is my economical way
Book the Swagman hotel, not the greatest hotel, but this is why it is good for greenhorns. For about $40 for a standard room, the van will pick you up from the airport for free. Taxi ride to the hotels in the vicinity will cost you about 300+ pesos which I usually don't like to use at that hours. Check in, let the jetlag does it think until 11 am given that you don't want to monger yet. Check out, buy the 500-peso hotel bus ticket, which leaves around 1130. Get on it sleep some more, two hours later you will be in AC. While on the bus, tell the asistant where you are staying and they will take you to the front door of the hotel.
I still do this after all these years because I know that the furthest I will have to haul my luggage between the plane and AC is only in the terminal.
It cuts cost and head ache.
Yankee 617
01-17-07, 03:05
For anyone interested in learning the language(s) of the Philippines...
http://www.seasite.niu.edu/Tagalog/Tagalog_mainpage.htm
I will also post this in the "Living in the Philippines" thread.
Thanks for the info. As stated, I get in at 11PM. Am I better off taken the Swagman taxi or the taxi at the Nissan stand? Also am I committed to staying at the Swagman if I take there ride?
Sorry BB, but I don't understand the part about the hotel. I don't understand "fire out". Also, I thought you were talking about working girls, so not sure how the hotel could fire them. Do you mean, "kick them out / ban them from the hotel"?
As for the beer bottle part, are you sure that wasn't some dream you had - or nightmare?
I would appreciate some clarification.
X
Guys;
In most hotels the management would fire out anyone doing this, but some save the practice for there older emplyees to work there deals inhouse without any danger of loosing there job.What a way to run a business ha.When in the P.I. be ready for anything and yes you can get whatever you see you like from where I stand.Never think just because you know a gals sister that the other is a great gal because the joke could be on you.
And on another note never think the gal is not a pro great if she asks if you can insert the bottom end of a sam,mig light bottle in her PUSSY and she wants more after 3/4 of it is inside.Yes she wanted the beer bottle and then after 10 minutes wanted what I had to offer,UNREAL!!! Now thats a gal I want to take back to meet MOM.
B.B...
Although I have the intention (or rahter, wish) to go visit an Asian country for a couple of weeks, I'm a bit worried about the language barrier. Can I expect the (working) girls to be able to have at least some skills in English? Asian languages are way to difficult for me, an Indo-European language speaker, to master even if it's just a little so it is critically important. Considering my interest in the language factor, what are countries to go to and which to avoid? For the former I have always heard that Thai and Philipine girls speak English well, is this also the experience here? And maybe those countries that receive less tourists, like Burma or Cambodia and perhaps even Vietnam, should be avoided? I'm curious as to how people here feel about the language barrier.
Philipine girls speak English well, is this also the experience here?Yes the Philippines are a good choice to visit because many people speak english. Most people that have completed high school have rudimenary english skills because english is a required subject. Those that are in the hospitality and tourist industries as well as business people can speak great english. Hong Kong and Singapore also have many english speakers since they were former British colonies.
Bill Buxton
01-18-07, 09:10
Sorry BB, but I don't understand the part about the hotel. I don't understand "fire out". Also, I thought you were talking about working girls, so not sure how the hotel could fire them. Do you mean, "kick them out / ban them from the hotel"?
As for the beer bottle part, are you sure that wasn't some dream you had - or nightmare?
I would appreciate some clarification.
X
The term fired out is terminate the persons employment.This is a term used here I never herd that phrase at home.How long you stayed here man,I am sure you have herd this before.Working hotel staff,not working bar girls.Please know that this unsavory practice is not tolerated in any other country that I have visited.Most any hotel will not let the staff have relations with guests unless it's outside of the hotel.So the answer is most employees will not date long time guests staying where they work, and if they do its verry quietly done.On the other hand most gals working for a hotel at the front desk will not ask guests for money for sexual favors eather.This happened at two locations in A/C and both properties are less than 100 feet apart.So who the fuck knows.
Also yes the beer bottle is true and no I have no picture to prove it but please,Why would anyone every think that sober or souced.
B.B...
Daring Mood
01-18-07, 10:09
So Bill B, care to list some of the scammer hotels you refer to in your previous post?
TIA
Daring Mood
The term fired out is terminate the persons employment.This is a term used here I never herd that phrase at home.How long you stayed here man,I am sure you have herd this before.Working hotel staff,not working bar girls.Please know that this unsavory practice is not tolerated in any other country that I have visited.Most any hotel will not let the staff have relations with guests unless it's outside of the hotel.So the answer is most employees will not date long time guests staying where they work, and if they do its verry quietly done.On the other hand most gals working for a hotel at the front desk will not ask guests for money for sexual favors eather.This happened at two locations in A/C and both properties are less than 100 feet apart.So who the fuck knows.
Also yes the beer bottle is true and no I have no picture to prove it but please,Why would anyone every think that sober or souced.
B.B...
Bill Buxton
01-20-07, 01:43
marquis hotel,bluefieldshotel.These are the 2 I stayed at and lost items at and also scamms from the staff.
B.B...
I have heard of the marquis, but where is the " bluefieldshotel?"
marquis hotel,bluefieldshotel.These are the 2 I stayed at and lost items at and also scamms from the staff.
B.B...
bb tends to send messages in a "train of thought" method. Sometimes it takes me several reads to figure out what he's saying.
And in this case....he's got my attention.
I just been dating a lady I met at the hotel front desk a year ago. Now she says I'm her soulmate. Yikes....bb....has made me slam on the brakes...
BTW, what does a hotel lady make?
X
You check in and get to know the staff and after a while they use the devel in the red dress deal.What I am saying is they take and meet you at another hotel and fuck your brains out and yes this is great but,the downside is they have (an agenda)
B.B...
Depends on what she does at the hotel, where it is, how much class the place has, obviously a maid at a five star hotel is gonna make more than a pillow at the local "short time". I get the impression that the hotels BB is talking about are "family run" clip joints, that is why the girls are getting away with that crap. In any case I dont think they make much above minumin wage which in the PI is about P140 a day. Depending on the arrangement, if they room there, etc. they may not even make that much.
FYI most of the girls you meet in Gaisano make about that, P135, six days a week ten hour days, they normally only keep them six months as after that benefits attach, they hire a new bunch and turn 'em all over. Only the managerial staff are "permanent". I knew a lady who worked as a maid in Davao's Apo view hotel years ago, she made P90 a day 'course that was a few years back.
With such conditions you can understand why they resort to all sorts of chicanery, some of them are humping the boss and can keep their jobs no matter what.
Regards
Spamhog
(1) Where is Burgos Street?
(2) Has anyone taken a bus from Manila to AC? Where is the bus station and how much does it cost?
(3) Could someone recommend a low cost, girl friendly inexpensive hotel in the Malate area?
Thanks in advance for your help.
i've just read the rules and can't see any reason not to paste this in here - there is no copyright info on the page it came from - if i have missed a rule that prevents it being here, please moderate away and accept my apologies.
it is an awesome report on various places in the philippines from 11th feb 2004. i've been looking for something like this for quite a while now - even a lot of reading on this forum hasn't made prices really clear (is barfine all inclusive etc), and i've not *yet* been to find out for myself.
if someone with lots of pi experience wants to add to this so it can be made into a full pi guide, that'd be pretty damned groovy.
without further ado, none of the work that follows is mine.
metro manila
these days virtually everyone arrives in the pi by air, and most people land at the messy ninoy aquino international airport in metro manila. (arranging a hotel pickup at the airport in advance is a very good idea). so, metro manila is a good place to start.
legally, in terms of governmental organization, metro manila is really a collection of separate municipalities and towns. the actual city of manila is just one of the various local governments within metro manila. among some of the others are paranaque, where the airport is located, and makati, which is the business and banking center of the pi. the structure of local government is important for our purposes because different municipalities and towns have different rules about what sort of bars can operate within their respective jurisdictions.
manila
currently, manila proper has no gogo bars although there are gogo bars elsewhere in metro manila. back in the 1980s, the ermita and malate neighborhoods of manila apparently used to be a strong rival to the big mango. indeed, i have heard from a number of different western men including a very successful farang bar owner in the kingdom who all claimed that manila in its heyday used to be even wilder than bangers at the time. since my first trip to the republic only took place in late 2000, i cannot personally verify that point, but manila during the 80s must have been something to witness if even only half the stories i’ve heard about that era were true. incidentally, some bars in thailand and the pi have similar names, but i am not sure if there is any connection or who exactly might be copying whom.
well, manila’s glory days are over due to a populist mayor who tried to “clean up” the city. sound familiar? the go-go bars are gone now and parts of the old strip remain weedy vacant lots more than a decade later. apparently, the crumbling spanish colonial architecture of intramuros has not been enough to pull in vast numbers of western tourists to manila. that should serve as a cautionary tale for certain political forces in contemporary siam.
yet, fear not, all is not lost. even within manila there are other forms of naughty nightlife. my personal favorite is the freelancer scene. one of the best places to find filipina freelancers is a combination, bar, restaurant, and night club called “l.a. cafe” located in ermita. more exactly it is on m.h. del pilar a little north of pedro gil.
expressed in bangkok terms, manila’s l.a. cafe plays a role similar to that of classic pro (and semi-pro) pick-up joints like thermae, the two coffee shops in the grace hotel, and so on. yet, i prefer l.a. cafe over any of the various freelancer venues that i have been to in thailand or anywhere else in asia for that matter.
l.a. cafe serves passable food as well as good cold drinks including san miguel on tap. it has several pool tables and a dance floor. live music is featured on a regular basis in the evenings. the total effect is a fun spot * certainly a lot more fun in my book than your average hard rock cafe whose name and logo were presumably known to the founder of l.a. cafe. in terms of atmosphere, again in bangkok terms, it is something of a cross between the blue wave and guillver’s on sukhumvit soi 5. yet, since it is on two levels and has taken over its former neighbor diamondhead, l.a. cafe probably has more total floor space than the blue wave and guillver’s combined.
how much do manila-based freelancers want? and, more importantly, how much would they finally accept? these days many freelancers will quote a rate of one thousand pesos (about seven hundred baht at the current exchange rate) or so for just short-time. however, some of the gals might settle for one thousand pesos or even less for long-time. keep in mind that the one grand peso bill is the highest philippine banknote and thus 1,000 pesos represents a significant sum of money to many filipinos. in other words, try not to think in terms of us dollars, euros, japanese yen, etc. please don’t distort the market.
the freelancers in the pi operate much like their counterparts in the land of smiles. so, if you are used to dealing with thai freelancers then it should be an easy transition to interact with their filipina sisters. indeed, the much higher average level of english should make things run smoothly. of course, the standard precautions should be taken with any pay-for-play gals.
rep001tered around manila proper are countless bars. yet, for a first time visitor, l.a. cafe is as good a place as any to start looking for your “honey ko.”
in the ermita and malate areas there are a number of hotels in different price ranges. room rates are roughly comparable to those of bangkok, but generally the hotels aren’t quite as nice. one of my pet peeves about manila is how hardly any mid-range hotels have swimming pools despite the ideal climate.
elsewhere in metro manila
within metro manila, gogo bars aimed at foreign men can be found in makati and in pasay city. the gogos in makati are concentrated around p. burgos street. being next to the financial district, the bars tend to be upscale or, at the very least, have dancers who view themselves as being worthy of a sizeable fee. and, it must be stated that some of the dancers in makati are very hot. as a result, prices here can be very dear. indeed, if you are not careful, an evening in makati could work out costing more than even a night on the town in sukhumvit soi 33. bring a thick wallet!
a slightly cheaper alternative exists in pasay city. a sort of indoor pi version of nana plaza can be found in pasay city’s edsa complex. edsa stands for “epifanio de los santos avenue,” which runs in front of the complex. some of the bars in the edsa complex have cool themes like the firehouse where the dancers slid down a pole to reach the stage. a real treat for the eyes!
elsewhere in pasay city there are some freestanding bars like “chaos niteclub” * great name for a bar in metro manila! chaos is located on loudres street near roxas boulevard. actually, most metro manila taxi drivers know where the main bars and massage parlors are, but you should naturally avoid relying on their recommendations.
beyond metro manila
there is certainly a lot more to the philippines than just metro manila. the tourist ads are true. there are literally thousands of islands. but, luzon, on which manila is located, is the biggest and has a lot to offer. unless you are just in manila on a very short trip, then you really should check out at least one other destination in the pi.
the pi is a sizeable country. so, even though i have made several trips to the republic, there are many places that haven’t been to yet including spots in the muslim regions that i am in no hurry to see. below, then, is a brief description of a few destinations that might appeal to those looking for nightlife outside of metro manila.
angeles city
if you want real value for your money, then a good bet is to get out of metro manila completely and head for angeles city or just plain angeles to many regulars. located north of manila, depending on traffic angeles is usually about two and a half to three hours by either bus or taxi. a couple of different bus lines serve the route, but the easiest one for a first-time visitor to deal with would be the “fly the bus” service that leaves from in front of the australian-run swagman hotel, which is located not too far from the u.s. embassy.
one of my earliest impressions of angeles was that it was simply pattaya without the beach! here is a town that has gogo bars geared towards western males as one of its major industries. but, relatively speaking, the bar scene is probably even more important economically to angeles than it is to pattaya. here you will see very few, if any, white women or foreign families on vacation. this is hardcore sex tourist territory.
the center of the action in angeles is in the balibago section around fields avenue, which runs near the site of clark, the former american air force base. depending on the weather, fields avenue can be either dusty or muddy. and, the side streets tend to be even worse!
unlike what is often the case in pattaya, the gogo bars in angeles will charge an all-inclusive bar fine. in other words, the girl’s cut is fully included. the comprehensive bar fine is typically about one thousand pesos and is good for the entire night. assuming you have selected an appropriate gal, that is quite a deal. some dancers might ask for a little “taxi money” in the morning. anything above one hundred pesos would be silly and anything below twenty pesos would be an insult. of course, you might like to treat the lady nice and take her out to dinner. but, that’s up to you.
besides the dancers, one can also sometimes bar fine a waitress, a greeter (“hello girl”), or perhaps even a mama-san, if that’s your thing. personally, i tend to stick to the dancers even though the waitresses are often better looking. frankly speaking, on average, i just seem to have better experiences with dancers for some reason.
one thing to look out for in angeles is the strange phenomenon of so-called “cherry girls.” the cherry girls appear to be more common in a few of the larger and flashier bars that need to employ a lot of dancers to keep the party mood in high gear. how many of these girls are true virgins is unclear. regardless of whether or not they are really untouched, some of the younger dancers will simply not have sex with customers, but they will surely push ladies’ drinks. thus, if you are thinking of bar fining a girl especially one who looks relatively young, then make it clear beforehand that she is not a self-proclaimed cherry. if you do take a cherry girl out of a bar, then she will probably just want to go bar hopping in order to chat with her friends or cousins in other bars. that’s probably not what you want from angeles.
angles is also home to a number of bj bars. most are located on a. santos street, which is off of fields avenue near kokomo’s, is known to many punters as “blow row.” the bars here are mostly easy-going and open pretty much all the time. hence, a visit to blow row can be a good way to start your day. the going rate for an onsite short-time seems to be five hundred pesos, which is less than four hundred baht at the present exchange rate.
a. santos street has a definite third world feel. the rooms in the back of the bj bars are a bit rough even if many of the employees are sweet. as an alternative, one can usually bar fine a girl from a bj bar and bring her back to your hotel room instead. my impression is that few guys do that. so, if you do bar fine a girl from the row, then she is likely to view it as a bit of a treat.
believe it or not, a few of the gals on blow row claim to be cherry girls just like some of the dancers on fields avenue. in such cases, they will provide oral services, but that’s all. strange, but true...
bars on the row mostly employ natural-born females, but there sometimes a few lady boys lurking about. one of the other streets, the name of which i forget at the moment, is full of lady boys. so, that’s another good reason to seek oral relief in the daytime. mercifully, lady boys have been largely kept out of the mainstream bars.
although gogos are the main attraction, fields avenue also has a number of karaoke or “videoke” joints along with a rather uncomfortable disco and other establishments including some decent restaurants and a few internet cafes offering long hours and fairly fast connections by pi standards.
at least a few girls in town do freelance, but that seems to be more on a part-time basis to supplement working in a karaoke or gogo bar than pure freelancing. margarita station (a/k/a the ville) functions partly albeit not entirely as a pick-up joint.
the hotels in angeles tend to be basic. but, then again, most guys just need a place with a bed, shower, sink, toilet, and perhaps a tv. rates for air con rooms start at around five hundred pesos per night. thus, hotels in angeles are typically cheaper than comparable hotels in manila. a few even feature small pools. naturally, having a visitor or two in a guest’s room is not a problem!
while i have enjoyed all of the trips that i have made up to angeles, i do get bored with the place after a couple of days of serious partying. to an even greater extent than in pattaya, one can be at a loss as to what to do other than drink, shag, eat, and sleep. yet, some older western men actually choose to retire in angeles.
puerto galera
just a few kilometers south of luzon lies puerto galera on the north shore of the island of mindoro. a combination bus and ferry journey puts puerto galera within easy striking distance of manila.
puerto galera has several beaches, but some of the beaches are more for diving or snorkeling than for swimming. sabang beach is the most developed as well as the only one with any nightlife worth mentioning. there are a handful of self-described discos in the sabang beach area that are, in fact, go-go bars. the selection is much more limited than in angeles. but, being near the ocean is a big plus. some of the restaurants have nice views. and, walking along sabang beach on a peaceful night with a pretty young thing is downright romantic. of course, you could always bring a girl with you from out of town. more than a few manila freelancers have been down to puerto galera at some point during their career.
hotels tend to be quite cheap in puerto galera, but the rooms often just have fans. tvs are not common, but then getting away from tv for a few days can be relaxing by simply forgetting about the rest of the world for a while.
cebu
cebu is the name of an island, a province, and a city with a busy harbor. as a city, cebu is the center of the visayas, and it provides an urban alternative to metro manila. in fact, there are a number of flights from other parts of asia that go direct to cebu’s international airport on mactan island, which is connected by a modest bridge to the island of cebu. the airport is much smaller and somewhat less disorganized than manila’s. however, some flights into cebu do arrive late at night. so, one should seriously consider having transport along with a hotel room for at least the first night arranged well in advance.
even though it is a fairly large city, cebu is generally more relaxed than manila. folks in cebu seem a bit friendlier to foreign tourists. for example, unlike manila, a significant percentage of cebu taxi drivers will actually use the meter without having to be told to do so beforehand. nevertheless, one should continue to exercise big city caution. one of the memories of cebu that stands out in my mind was the bizarre sight of a donut shop that had an armed guard outside! all that dough must have needed serious protection…
some asian tourists never seem to get much beyond mactan island. although there are a few so-so beaches on mactan, it would be a shame not to explore the city of cebu, which has a number of historical and cultural sites to visit by day. the nightlife is also more in the city than on mactan.
cebu has a number of bars patronized by foreign men generally south of fuente osmena (a large traffic circle). these are located on or near osmena boulevard, which is one of cebu’s main thoroughfares. honestly, it has been quite a while since i was in cebu, but i do recall being in what was apparently a branch of the “firehouse” from the edsa complex. at the time there was also a “papillion” go-go bar nearby. cebu doesn’t have quite the range of nightlife as metro manila and the cost of female companionship in cebu tends to be a bit more expensive than in angeles, but cebu does make for a nice change of pace.
the variety of restaurants is not quite as great as that of manila. yet, one needn’t starve in cebu. even a vegetarian can find something if he looks hard enough.
hotels in the city can be cheaper than the resorts on mactan. and, staying in the city keeps one close to the bars. the main drawback with many of the hotels in town is that they lack swimming pools.
conclusion
the philippines, on the whole, provides a reasonable alternative to thailand for western (and asian) men who enjoy the paid company of asian women. to me, the advantages of the pi are that english is widely understood, the local beers are arguably better than those in thailand, closing hours for bars are later than in thailand, and the cost of many things is a bit lower. the disadvantages are that the local food tends to be less appealing than thai cuisine, the culture seems less exotic to many, and crime is more of a problem. moreover, it might be best to avoid the pi whenever election campaigns are in full swing. violence, both political and non-political in nature, seems to spike at such times.
be that as it may, if someday there is major decline in thailand’s naughty nightlife scene, then hopefully the gogo bars and related establishments of the pi will still be there to provide a roughly similar experience for the footloose male.
I made a post yesterday but for some reason it never was posted. I am going to take 60 to 90 days off of my employment and one of the area's of the world I am considering relocating to for this time period is the P.I. I am just looking to relax and live in a tranquil lifestyle for a few months reflecting on some professional changes I am looking to make in my life. I have spent considerable time in the P.I but it has been in the Manila/A.C area with an occasional trip to the likes of Puerto Gallara, Boracay, Palawan, Subic, e.c.t. with my longest stay being 2 weeks. Looking at the economic side of my stay what area of the P.I would I get the most for my peso, referring to finding an apartment or hotel/apartment, occasional mongering, e.c.t.?. As far as living quarters go, I would be looking for cleanliness, air conditioning, and internet access. Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice.
Have a look around here http://www.piatnight.com
Aussie Mate
01-22-07, 03:19
FSH,
Go to Thailand Mate, been to both PI and Thailand. I returned to the Mother land several weeks ago. What started out to be a two Week vacation turned into a 2 month quest of SE Asia's most beautiful women and Thailand won hands down!!! After spending the first 13 days in the PI it was off to Bangkok, Pattaya, and Phuket. This is where I truly found my paradise and inner tranquillity. Thailand will suit you well my friend! Much more infrastructure for one and the ability to travel around SE Asia is much easier.
What is your money situation? How much will you budget for lodging, traveling, food, and mongering? What level of comfort do you need i.e. Air Con, cable, internet, WiFi?
If the PI is your choice, may I suggest Cebu, Davao, Cagayan De Oro, or General Santos in that order.
PM me for more info if you would like.
AM
Thanks SH,
The lady I'm referring to works in MLA at a place that caters to foreigners. Last night she told me she makes 310 a day.
I don't know if you remember, but her and I were dancing at Sunflower one night when you were there.
X
Depends on what she does at the hotel, where it is, how much class the place has, obviously a maid at a five star hotel is gonna make more than a pillow at the local "short time". I get the impression that the hotels BB is talking about are "family run" clip joints, that is why the girls are getting away with that crap. In any case I dont think they make much above minumin wage which in the PI is about P140 a day. Depending on the arrangement, if they room there, etc. they may not even make that much.
FYI most of the girls you meet in Gaisano make about that, P135, six days a week ten hour days, they normally only keep them six months as after that benefits attach, they hire a new bunch and turn 'em all over. Only the managerial staff are "permanent". I knew a lady who worked as a maid in Davao's Apo view hotel years ago, she made P90 a day 'course that was a few years back.
With such conditions you can understand why they resort to all sorts of chicanery, some of them are humping the boss and can keep their jobs no matter what.
Regards
Spamhog
Tired to go to the girly bar in burgos or Malate, Girls are too aggresive.
Any recommendation of bar in Manila similar to Sticky Finger or Insomia in Hong Kong?
Thanks guy
Lazy to go so far away from Makati.
Tired by the aggresive girl in P.Burgos.
Does any guy know if it is any bar in Makati Area which is similar to Sticky Finger, Dusk till Dawn, or insomia in Hong Kong?
Thank you very much.
I made a post yesterday but for some reason it never was posted. I am going to take 60 to 90 days off of my employment and one of the area's of the world I am considering relocating to for this time period is the P.I. I am just looking to relax and live in a tranquil lifestyle for a few months reflecting on some professional changes I am looking to make in my life. I have spent considerable time in the P.I but it has been in the Manila/A.C area with an occasional trip to the likes of Puerto Gallara, Boracay, Palawan, Subic, e.c.t. with my longest stay being 2 weeks. Looking at the economic side of my stay what area of the P.I would I get the most for my peso, referring to finding an apartment or hotel/apartment, occasional mongering, e.c.t.?. As far as living quarters go, I would be looking for cleanliness, air conditioning, and internet access. Thank you in advance for any suggestions or advice.
Fly:
I think your best bet is to look into pensione's these are like small hotels but
are furnished, usually have a small stove/fridge and are rented by the month or so, in CEBU these things run around P8,000 to P10,000, factor in more for MM. Most of what you and I would consider a conventional "apartment" in the PI are normally rented yearly, you MIGHT get six months but normally people want a year lease, period. 3 months deposit is required. Manila is probably the most expensive of all. You can cehck into the classifieds in Manila by pulling up www.philnews.com open the various papers and go to work, you can also look up buy trade sell .com .ph(????) there was a link posted somewhere on this board but damn if I remember where.
Last, you might just want to get a rate from your hotel for a monthly rental
I did this before for a six week stay and a two month stay respectively.
For Apts, expect to pay somewhere in the neighborhood of P12000 to P15000 monthly or about 300 US for "foreigner class" ie anything decent, you'll see cheaper but these are holes in bad neighborhoods.
good luck
Spamhog
Thanks Flying and Mattrick for the heads up for the Ph'pines. Does anyone know what it the best [as in cheapest] way to fly there from Europe?
Hi guys,
I am wanting to plan a trip to PI and was wondering where the best place for scuba diving and beautiful woman was located? Anyone who has experiance with this and will offer any information to me would be greatly appreciated.
Hi guys,
I am wanting to plan a trip to PI and was wondering where the best place for scuba diving and beautiful woman was located? Anyone who has experiance with this and will offer any information to me would be greatly appreciated.In Puerto Galera, you can find good diving site and street of bar with good quality girl.
Hi guys,
I am wanting to plan a trip to PI and was wondering where the best place for scuba diving and beautiful woman was located? Anyone who has experiance with this and will offer any information to me would be greatly appreciated.
I'm not a die hard diver, been down a few times but I have a few suggestions.
I would start in the south in Davao City, lots of Diving there and a personal friend of mine (Dutch National) is the best guy for a dive safari. He can PADL
you in three days. There are some old ships to go on that have not been fully "done" yet, including a Japanese WW2 supply ship at 300 ft full of goodies.
The dark eyed damsels of Davao are a delight, enough mongering there to keep you busy I suggest you scope the Davao board for specifics, go back a bit too.
Next I would think about Cagayan De Oro area (GREAT FOR MONGERING!!!) from there to Camiguin island, interesting place, you can dive in an old graveyard. From there go to Cebu. Now you have a choice, of course the mongering is well known but you can use that as a base of operation to plan your next move, compare prices etc. Go to Bohol, about 2 hrs by jet boat (Great diving) no mongering or go to Malpasqua or Bantayan (dive is great) by Bus about 3 to 4 hrs, again not much mongering but this is the Phils and its everywhere if you look hard enough. Also from Cebu look into Moalbol.
Great thing about Cebu is you can bring you own sweet little tour guide who will rub your back (or other parts of your anatomy) after a hard day diving in those areas where choice is sparse.
Good luck
Spamhog
Bill Buxton
01-23-07, 22:37
bb tends to send messages in a "train of thought" method. Sometimes it takes me several reads to figure out what he's saying.
And in this case....he's got my attention.
I just been dating a lady I met at the hotel front desk a year ago. Now she says I'm her soulmate. Yikes....bb....has made me slam on the brakes...
BTW, what does a hotel lady make?
X
Think about what I said.What better way to work your ass for cash than at a front desk at a hotel.You learn spending habbits and schedules and everything about a guest.What a great place to conduct monkey business.Please dont think I stay in clipp joints most here have nothing to crow about.After all someone told me about a hotel that was a complete shithole when I was in another city.If they thought the place was a deal They should think again.I think the hotel scamm is a true ANGELES in your face part of life.This place A/C is nothing but a scamm so be ready for anything from anywhere.The local doctors office staff get loaded up on redhorse nearby every night and will do the deal with anyone thats willing to buy the next round.Iam sure the dock gives them a smear test each week like the bar gals get also.Please tell me that this is also a bad dream I am having.ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER LESSION IN THE WAYS OF THE P.I.
B.B...
Bill Buxton
01-26-07, 04:08
Yes I do think thank you, and Ifind this much better than a drunken stupor!
AS for general info, I have nothing to add but it is only 11 am so lets see what the day will bring.
STAY SHARP,HAVE FUN AND BE SAFE;
B.B...
Bill Buxton
01-27-07, 01:19
I had a deal in the works for another hotel employee and nice gal as I thought.I hooked up with this gal and we went to visit her mom(her day off)
We visited the mom,sister and some verry nice frends for an hour or so.They wanted to do some cooking for me on sunday and I said, why not if you want. This was ok so knowing they had no money I gave 500-p because I wanted to take thet strain off the family who I know has verry little.I also will have my driver and his wife with me and they can also eat.They wanted pancet and I said ok the 500-p is enough for that.I also would bring a fish or two and some yard bird.
After the meeting the relathives and all, myself and the little honey went to meet the grandma where she lives.Along the way we had a plan that was backed up buy the mom moments before.I wanted to meet this gal for dinner,and she said sure and the deal was set.Or so I though.I had given her 300-p for a trike to get to the dinner and buy a load for her phone,"sure why not"You try and look out for your gal right.Thats wrong!!!! after dropping the little shit at her house and meeting the grandma things went sour.
Five minutes after getting in the trike and I was out of sight the games started.She texted me to say she was tired and would I mind if she met me the next time.Ok this was a game for cash they bated the hook and YES I TOOK THE BAIT.Yes only 16 dollars worth, no problem but this is how they work us.Smile at the face and [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in the pocket thats the deal.She will be working at my hotel today and I am sure will not be wanting to see me!!I will be waiting to see her smiling face and I also will not be rude.What I will do however is run her ass ragged getting drinks,food,ice,and whatever else I can think of.She will get the full run your ass off treatment in a nice way.I hope she got lots of rest last night and today because she will need it.She also received no money yesterday from a guy that went home so I am sure I was the victom for the day.Fuck me up today,why not.Just wait until the next day when I get my shot.
B.B...
I thought I would put this one in General as there seems to be a great deal of discussion lately about rip offs and This one is in a class by itself;
Local news (Cebu) reported on (National News) Friday about an British national who was found dead in a Colon Street Hotel (read short time flop house). Autopsy reveals Guy died from an overdose of "sleeping potion" admininstered by a "girl he had met" (Read street hooker or freelancer). Of course all his worldly goods were missing. Speculation runs that the girl likely meant to only put enough of the draft in his drink to render him unconcious and then rob him, she miscalculated and gave him the big jolt.
She has not been caught yet but is believed to be working with a "male accomplice" (read pimp (Bugaw) boyfriend). Now one of the reasons I put this post in this thread is over the LA cafe and discussion herein, sounds about right, floosy looking girls being chauffered to "work" by B/F's to releive the cash laden brethern at this notorious pick up joint. Last time I went by La Cafe was in March of 2006, just dropped by to see the action, wouldn;t have touched any of the scags I saw. My impression of the place was the quality of female had dropped downhill a great deal from 2002 when I visitied regualrly there. (Dittos for the old "G spot" which was around the corner and called something else now). The "LA" girls I saw mostly had that beat out look that junkies get. I know for a fact there is a lot of Shabu being sold in the area. Point is these people have access to all sorts of drugs and are lowlifes to begin with, so heads up.
Disturbing gentlemen, as some of you may be aware druging robberies are VERY common in Thailand, with a commesurate amount of dead falangs. They show up in the PI from time to time but not as common, but here you go! Once again never leave a girl you DONT KNOW OR JUST PICKED UP (Freelancers) have free reign in your room, access to your open drinks/food or accept a prepared drink or any drugs from her Dead "Backpackers" by the score in Thailand over this one).
Another scam I've heard about that is making the rounds in Cebu is this one dubbed the "Help me" girl. Works like this:
Big tough foreigner goes to ATM no guards or anyone else around.
he uses the machine, withdraws a tidy sum and turns away to see a small, timid little cutie approach.
"Sir, can you HELP ME please? I dont know how to use ATM machine."
What Gallant could not resist eh?
"Of course my dear" We say, slyly thinking we can get her phone number for perhaps a demonstration of her appreciation later.
So here we go, hunced over the ATM teaching her the intricacies of modern
technology, eyeing her size 32 B chest all the while, completely distracted.
So much so that we dont see her male companion(s) sidle up behind us and
adriotly place a shiv to our kidneys and demand that swag you just withdrew.
Bang, zoom, gone.
My understanding is that the Koreans have been getting knocked over left and right on this one in downtown Cebu. BEWARE.
TO MR JACKSON:
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A THREAD STARTED ENTITLED SCAMS, SCHEMES, RIPS OFFS Etc. To act as a sort of clearing house for all the misdeeds directed at yon brethern in certain monger countries. I have tried to do so but am unsuccessful as not a paying member (Yeah i know a cheap bastard).
Anyone else who is care to take it on? I can supply plenty of material for it.
There we can name names and publish scammers photos, which hotels to avoid etc as a better way to safeguard ourselves.
Regards to All
Spamhog
Bill Buxton
01-28-07, 10:29
I had a guard tell me at sannet tower in Makati there are gals doing the sleeping pill thing there also.I saw one guard there go get a gal that walked in to the hotel there.When I asked whats the problem after she left he said she was one of the ones doing the sleeping pill thing.The guards know who is up to what here and beleave me THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER!
The problem is they all get something from it I am sure.It's like a can full of cockroache's here and they get to full and spill out from time to time.They are shit and do shit to survive.Stay ahead of the shit watch your back!
B.B...
BB
What's with you? don't like it, get the hell out of there
You are getting darker and darker everyday!
If your boss or your wife isn't there, get out of there but don't ***** because you don't like it.
Many of us go there every year to get out of the stressfull working hell hole and we love it there. It's is a typical country with its + and -. People are poor and sometimes are desperate and would do anything to survive. You also get a ton of that where you are from, the great US of A. Why don't you ***** about that also.
This forum has been around for a long time and mongerers have enjoyed their experiences and wise enough to know what to avoid, but they don't need preaching. They don't need your generalization about things in the Philippines.
In general, Filippinos are great and hospitable people and that includes the majority of the Fields avenue girls and hotel staffs. Why don't you mention them and forget about the few bad apples. I have traveled there many years now and I see a lot of great things but not to be bothered by a few bad seeds.
I've met you once when you arrived and you were OK then. But you have changed with your attitude, something has eaten you up. Maybe you are right about the whole country of the Philippines but no one twisted your arms to be there. There are pussies in other places, try there and tell us about it.
I had a guard tell me at sannet tower in Makati there are gals doing the sleeping pill thing there also.I saw one guard there go get a gal that walked in to the hotel there.When I asked whats the problem after she left he said she was one of the ones doing the sleeping pill thing.The guards know who is up to what here and beleave me THEY ALL KNOW EACH OTHER!
The problem is they all get something from it I am sure.It's like a can full of cockroache's here and they get to full and spill out from time to time.They are shit and do shit to survive.Stay ahead of the shit watch your back!
B.B...
Hotel Door guards are a "Must tip"! They are usually the ones that will keep you out of trouble if you select a bad girl. When I stay in AC it's usually at the same place, and I always tip my door guard and ask him to call my room if the girl I bought in was in anyway a bad apple. I mean really! What's p50 a few time during your stay for that type of 411.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
Before taking a hotel taxi always ask the guard how much it will cost you, or you will find out they will set their own price. These guards are in charge of the taxi's and the drivers will do as they say. Don't leave it to the drivers.
I apologize for not PM you BB
But I just can't stand seeing the forum becoming a Filippinos target pratice place.
BB
So you are robbed by many Filippinos, and I'm robbed out of thousands of dollars by American Corporations. The difference is I leave that country for good and vowed to never return. If I'd stayed there that anger would've chewed me alive. You can do the same.
I was ticked off at your comment about cock roaches because I love that country and the people. They're no angels, but no worse than any of us. I don't trash talk about Americans because some white collar ass holes took my money. People appreciate reporting facts but the hatin' is something else.
I wish you peace brother!
Bill Buxton
01-31-07, 07:29
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Bill Buxton
01-31-07, 07:38
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02-01-07, 01:51
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1 down, 2 to go
Will somebody please report this guy's next racist comment via the "Report this Post to a Moderator" link, and be sure to note that it will be his 2nd violation.
Thanks,
Jackson
Nightrider1
02-01-07, 02:14
Does anyone know where Viagra or the other ED drugs could be bought in Manila, Cebu, or Davao. I have heard that some pharmacies will sell them over the counter am but not sure which ones. In previous visits I have been approaced by street vendors in Manila and Angeles selling what looks to be the real thing but I was always leary and never tried any. Possibly someone knows a doctor who sells it on the side and if so feel free to PM me with a contact number.
This post is not intended to slam anyone but merely as a summation of what several of you have been saying in different ways and probably actually agreeing with each other.
Gentlemen, no matter WHERE YOU GO IN THIS WORLD, you run into hustlers,
con men, card sharps, beaters cheaters, the fringe element and downright
criminals. Such persons are drawn by man's greatest foibles, gambling, substance abuse and of course what one chinese philisopher described as
"The Yang's constant hunger for the Yin". He also stated that "An unsatisfied Yang will upset the entire household, so all must acquience and cater to such need for WAH (Harmony) will be acheived only through satisfaction of lust" That guy was a genius.
At various times in history and various venues, certain enclaves were set up to "feed the need". Fuedal Japan established the Yoshiwara, a city made up of brothels, gambling dens and "tea houses" all manner of corteseans high and lo, as well as persons of "dubious integrity" were regulated to such area. Keep 'em in one place so they dont mix with polite society, smart.
The Mafia in a stroke of brilliance established Las Vegas as a place to launder money, look at that place today, or Atlantic city, talk about a place full of hustlers, you think you get a break there? HAH. Of course Mexico has such
hell holes as TIjuana and Ciudad Acuna. BKK its Nanaplaza, HK the Wanchai, we could go on an on but the point is, such enclaves are set up BY HUSTLERS, FOR HUSTLERS it attracts societies er...well...'coarser' elements, as you would expect. Now AC, is just one such place, there are others in The PI, but we'll limit it to that for this example.
Taking notice of what I just said about by and for hustlers, anybody going into that venue HAS to know what to expect, IF YOU RUN IN CERTAIN CIRCLES YOU HAVE TO EXPECT TO BE A MARK! Ie shmuck, dummy, rube, target. THE SYSTEM IS SET UP TO SEPERATE YOU FROM YOU CASH. YOU DONT GET A BREAK YOU DONT GET OVER, IF YOU BREAK EVEN YOU COME OUT AHEAD. If you dont see the danger signs and the pitfalls or ignore them you will surely weep tomorrow.
Generally they take girls from the province who HAVE NO CHOICE and put them under the wing of experienced HUSTLERS to teach 'em the tricks of the trade. They get so indoctrinated that any values they had are stripped away and flushed like old paint. Basically they are ruined. WE ALL KNOW THAT!
YET! Every once in awhile we hear horror stories of some guy who went to AC and fell in love or some crap, he ended up ripped off, fleeced, taken to the cleaners etc. WE DONT LISTEN (Go back to the Chinese Philosopher and the Yang, or thinking with your dick).
Coz see every once in awhile we think WE ARE gonna be the ones to change
Her or the system, that one in a million shot that makes it work. Unrealistic, hustlers, beaters, cheater, con men, junkies, thieves dont change, THEY CHANGE YOU. And usually ruin you in the process.
First time I heard this one was back in the day when I was a teenaged grunt
running down to the local skivy house and banging the 2 dollar 'ho's in some "nam shithole. It came from a crusty old Sgt.
"You can take a girl out of the bar, but you can never take the bar out of the girl".
As i enter my seven consecutive year in Asia, I've seen that statement proven correct again and again. DONT LOOK FOR A WIFE OR COMMITTED RELATIONSHIP IN A BAR OR WITH A HUSTLER.
To sum up, these little morality tales that have been posted serve to remind us of the hustlers creed. Sometimes we need to be brought back into reality.
Yes the Phils has its share of hustlers, you can find them real easy. But you also have a lot of terrific people. Ever hear about the cabbie who turned in a wallet full of money? Or the pedicab driver who turned in an expensive cell phone. That happens everyday.
regards
Spamhog
Respectfully meant. Understand some things about Asia, the system is set up
to serve MEN. You and I may be foreigners, falangs, Ang Mo, Gweilo or Gai Jin, but we are men. Act like it and develop some FACE and that will serve you better than rants, raves, losing your temper etc.
I been reading about this stuff over walking into a bar and having Mamasan or whomever DEMAND that you buy the girl a drink. How you handle that tells these folks alot. Are you some fool to be fleeced or someone who is not to be triffled with. You smile at Mamasan and tell her if that is the rule it is a foolish one, surely it doesn't apply to you and if it does you turn and walk out. Losing your temper, yelling and acting like a foreigner is silly, gets you nothing and will start trouble, YOU WILL LOSE, yet I recall in my mongering days guys doing that. This example someone cited about driving a harley to a bar and going ballistic when some girl sat on it, guy should of had his ass kicked. Talk about an opening? Hell, I would have offered to take her for a ride if she liked the bike so much, got her number then sniffed the seat later.
If the guy had a brain he would have grabbed some street kid and told him to guard his bike and gave the kid an outlandish tip.
Understand that Filipinos see those of us running the bars and playing with the "Boricut" as jerks, trampling on our own dignity and soiling ourselves with those beneath us. that is one reason they feel no onus about ripping you off if given the chance as you "deserve it". They enjoy making a fool out of you.
This was said to me by a Thai, but you can apply it in any country. Guy was a good friend and a straight shooter, one time he asked me why "We" behaved the way we did, going into bars are getting these low class upcountry Isan peasant girls with "monkey faces" for which we were over charged and made fools of? "Dont you understand is bad for you face?"
Get better class of girl and dont go in such low class bar.
Remember that the system is set up to SERVE you and to PLEASE you. HER JOB, WHOMEVER "SHE" IS IS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HAPPY. Anything or anyone that does not is disgarded IMMEDIATELY, no anger, no fuss, smile and demand (Politely) satisfaction and performance especially for anything you have paid for.
BB I read all about that girl and the Sunday feast with the family. Wished the hell it was me in that situation. I would have showed up at the house unannounced (Not bringing anything since I paid for it) with a certain amount of finesse but the firm message being "I dont care how tired YOU are, IM hungry and YOU invited me I paid for this and Im entitled to your hospitality and to be served, so where's my plate please? I would have laid a "mano Po' on grandma and made somebody go fetch something special from the bakery for her and maybe a snort of tanduay special for daddy. In Short, be charming, well mannered and polite win the family over and you trump the little strumpet. Afterwards i would have told her not to call me again, I decided I dont like you, never mind the reason.
Regards
Spamhog
All,
I will be in Phils in a few days, and for tax reasons have to return for the states at the end of the month, not earlier. This means I will have to overstay my standard three week visa. I know I can go through the hassle of extending the visa in Manila, but what will they do if I just overstay a few days? In Nepal they just charged you a nominal fine and let you go your way.
My other option is to fly to JKT for a few days, but I already have a flight out of Phils back to the USA, and do not want to complicate things too much...
Thanks in advance... - 2J
Spam Hog,
Your last two post were spot on. It's all about how you carry yourself in the country you are visiting. Unfortunately, many foreigners live up to the expectations of the people of the host country they are visiting by continuously acting in ways that they normally wouldn't act in their on country...VERY STUPID! I'm American and I see it all the time here in Korea. The Koreans expect Americans to act arrogant, bullish and to start trouble when ever they arrive in clubs in large numbers, so they place a lot of clubs and other places off limits to us unless we have a Korean escort. Most of the time, rightfully so. Like I always say, "You can place 40 drunk Koreans on a bus for four hours without having any fights or problems, but take five drunk Americans and place them on the same bus for ten minutes and see what happens." I love my country, but in all fairness my countrymen have caused us to be resented around the world for our arrogant and sometimes childish or brutish behavior. Act like a gentlemen and you'll be treated as such. Once your behind closed doors with the lady of your dreams for that particular evening, you can make all the freaky requests that you like. If she likes you, she'll take you up on them, and then call or text you later for repeated sessions. Again, excellent posts Spam Hog.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
Respectfully meant. Understand some things about Asia, the system is set up
to serve MEN. You and I may be foreigners, falangs, Ang Mo, Gweilo or Gai Jin, but we are men. Act like it and develop some FACE and that will serve you better than rants, raves, losing your temper etc.
I been reading about this stuff over walking into a bar and having Mamasan or whomever DEMAND that you buy the girl a drink. How you handle that tells these folks alot. Are you some fool to be fleeced or someone who is not to be triffled with. You smile at Mamasan and tell her if that is the rule it is a foolish one, surely it doesn't apply to you and if it does you turn and walk out. Losing your temper, yelling and acting like a foreigner is silly, gets you nothing and will start trouble, YOU WILL LOSE, yet I recall in my mongering days guys doing that. This example someone cited about driving a harley to a bar and going ballistic when some girl sat on it, guy should of had his ass kicked. Talk about an opening? Hell, I would have offered to take her for a ride if she liked the bike so much, got her number then sniffed the seat later.
If the guy had a brain he would have grabbed some street kid and told him to guard his bike and gave the kid an outlandish tip.
Understand that Filipinos see those of us running the bars and playing with the "Boricut" as jerks, trampling on our own dignity and soiling ourselves with those beneath us. that is one reason they feel no onus about ripping you off if given the chance as you "deserve it". They enjoy making a fool out of you.
This was said to me by a Thai, but you can apply it in any country. Guy was a good friend and a straight shooter, one time he asked me why "We" behaved the way we did, going into bars are getting these low class upcountry Isan peasant girls with "monkey faces" for which we were over charged and made fools of? "Dont you understand is bad for you face?"
Get better class of girl and dont go in such low class bar.
Remember that the system is set up to SERVE you and to PLEASE you. HER JOB, WHOMEVER "SHE" IS IS TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE HAPPY. Anything or anyone that does not is disgarded IMMEDIATELY, no anger, no fuss, smile and demand (Politely) satisfaction and performance especially for anything you have paid for.
BB I read all about that girl and the Sunday feast with the family. Wished the hell it was me in that situation. I would have showed up at the house unannounced (Not bringing anything since I paid for it) with a certain amount of finesse but the firm message being "I dont care how tired YOU are, IM hungry and YOU invited me I paid for this and Im entitled to your hospitality and to be served, so where's my plate please? I would have laid a "mano Po' on grandma and made somebody go fetch something special from the bakery for her and maybe a snort of tanduay special for daddy. In Short, be charming, well mannered and polite win the family over and you trump the little strumpet. Afterwards i would have told her not to call me again, I decided I dont like you, never mind the reason.
Regards
Spamhog
Although I would add that we are all the same regardless of nationality and, to a large degree, sex.
Sometimes we seem different but thats due to experiences and environment. If you grow up in the west you have it easier and don't have to hustle much if you don't want to. if you grow up in Asia, you don't have so many safety nets so do have to hustle more to survive.
The guys who complain about the girls they meet; how would YOU behave if you were that girl? How would YOU behave if you were treated as a cheap ***** just to be used?
If YOU were a girl from the provinces of PI, with not much education and with your looks and sex being possibly your greatest assets what would YOU do? Be all meek and just accept your poor situation hoping to meet that knight in shining armour? We all know he doesn't exist!
Hustling is just a part of life. If you're a salesman, have your own business, are self-employed, are trying to scale the corporate ladder, etc. don't you hustle as well?? Does that make you a bad person?
Being wise is essential but being cynical is not.
Expect the worse from someone and they will probably prove you right. Expect the best and they might just justify that expectation.
In my business, when someone thinks I'm hustling them I will get every cent I can from them. Otherwise I'm very fair.
Too many people go around with the attitude that they are victims and are just waiting to be proved right. They don't remember the years of fun and happiness thay got from a marriage but only remember now the messy divorce. And if there were no years of fun and happiness, then you were just acting as a victim and deserve all you got.
Too jaded
Around 50 at a travel agency would get you another month or two, don't waste your precious time running around. You need it to pick the right "melons."
Gentlemen
Sorry I started the whole thing. Let's get back to what this forum is for, and that is to share our good times. Most guys in this world would never dream of doing what we do, pussy huntin'.
All,
IT his means I will have to overstay my standard three week visa ... I know I can go through the hassle of extending the visa in Manila, but what will they do if I just overstay a few days?TJ:
My tiny little piece of advice would be, "never ever overstay in the Philippines"! Believe you me, some of the basically very friendly immigration officers might become very unpleasant when you stay too long in the promised land! That it was just for two short days or so does not really matter!
By the way, extending your visa in Manila is no big deal and certainly no hassle (anymore)! Simply pay the express fee and within 3 hours you have the visa in you passport. Or, go to a travel agency like Columpuss recommends. Maybe your hotel can do the needful as well! But, brother, please play safe and do not invite any useless trouble!
Have a great time!
Hesekiels
Spamhog, your advise seems sound, and you obviously speak from vast experience, you have me curious, if your willing to share, how your search/selection/settling down with Ms Spamhog came about?
Respectfully meant. Understand some things about Asia, the system is set up
to serve MEN. You and I may be foreigners, falangs, Ang Mo, Gweilo or Gai Jin, but we are men. Act like it and develop some FACE and that will serve you better than rants, raves, losing your temper etc.
Spamhog, your advise seems sound, and you obviously speak from vast experience, you have me curious, if your willing to share, how your search/selection/settling down with Ms Spamhog came about?As the fairy tale princess said "You gotta kiss a lot of toads before you find your prince." I had been through some doozies, Thai and Filipina as well as others from al lwalks of life, and so had she. She was trying to meet Mr. Right on the chat lines and getting tired of the Yutz parade and guys asking to see her tits. We were introduced by a third party, guy I knew, also married to a Filipina and living in the Phils. It was a casual meeting and we were both only half interested, but we stayed in touch. Interesting to note, our "Romance" started as more of a friendship. I just got into it in another thread for X man who thinks he might have a special one. But some of the deciding factors was she was older (30), life had knocked her around a bit and made her into a somewhat strong woman, never hit me up for money, she was also the most honest person I ever met, that was proven to me many times in different ways, so out of character for me at the time, I was honest back. Refreshing as most Filipina usually told me a sack load of lies, even the "nice" ones, of course I lied right back so there ya go, a good lesson in itself.
regards
Spamhog
Yella man, one rarely sees the Web Scam girls working the Koreans, they aren't fools to part with their money coz sweetie needs tuition, has a sick pig or daddy needs a hemoroid operation. While you are correct about how brustish, silly and childish "we" sometimes act, I find it interesting about using Koreans as an example. In the USA Koreans are known for their upstanding law abiding hard work and integrity. But what I have noticed is that in the Phils, there is a distrubing amount of negative incidents involving Koreano. A local filipino attorney friend of mine claims that 50% of his practise is defending Koreans in court on shoplifting charges and those involved in drunken brawls. A few weeks before Xmas it was all over the news how two Koreans were arrested for strong arm robbing a local Cabbie. Last night Cebu news local reported on the arrest of a Korean national for possession of drugs and three firearms. I can recall several incidents in the news and otherwise of Koreans arrested for illegal recruitment, smuggling of various kinds and other mischief. No I'm not anti Korean but the moral of the story is, I suppose that being a jerk is not limited to westerners. Consider this also. When Westerners are involved in scams, hustles and grifting, it far outweighs any thing these little scheming jezebels come up with to nick you out of a few hundred pesos.
Some of the biggest crooks over here are my fellow Americans, with a goodly showing of Europeans et al thrown in. These are the characters who come up with the phony land swindles, cockeyed investments, selling the non existant bar or business or everyones favorite the so called "treasure hunters" whose primary product is often the infamous "Mindanao lead sandwich" a thin coating of gold over a lead bar "just unearthed" of course. Or the counterfeiters, hang around in a bar long enough you'll meet one a these characters. when they get you, they get you for thousands, not nickle dime stuff.
Compared to these dudes, give me a bar girl who suddenly develops her menses after fining or wants a lavish tip for a lackluster head job anyday.
Regards to all
Spamhog
Very good points again, Spam Hog.
When I worked in Bangladesh, I became friends with a European who lived there. He then one day (with his mates) tried to pull off a con trick on me (tried to steal money in a very clumsy way).
That's why I say that hustling isn't limited to any particular race or creed, but is just a normal way of life.
Compared to these dudes, give me a bar girl who suddenly develops her menses after fining or wants a lavish tip for a lackluster head job anyday.Amen to that!
Double standard
The guy in the suit robs you out of thousands, he's a good businessman.
The brown girl in AC does it for a few pesos, she's the scum of society.
I often observe this thinking in people, not racism, but human nature.
I traveled quite a bit to poor countries and always am generous and courteous to those around. Soon enough they will give you all the pointers about what to avoid as far as scams. They will watch your back also. The guard in one of the bars always reminded me to put my wallet in my front pocket instead of back. I listen but often disregard its importance until I heard that there is a gang of pick-pocketers roaming a mall in AC and I suddenly remember his words.
Being generous I mean not giving lavish tips and such. This is my gimmick of breaking the ice with people. I usually travel around with a huge bottle of tylenol pain killer, with tooth ache and minor cold are common with people there, these pills are great ambassadors.
Filipinos are friendly and not afraid to ask you for things once they know you. It is a shock for many reserved Westerners. Keep in mind that they don't hate you if you say no. It is as normal to them as Westerners not asking others for things.
Great points by spam hog and others, you guys can go anywhere in this world with that mind set.
Spam Hog,
Your absolutely right! It seems that some people in general from all countries lose their sense of honesty, integrity, and respect for others when they leave their own countries, and deplane in Manila or wherever else in the Phils. Acting as if none of the rules they have lived by previously apply anymore. I travel there repeatedly to monger and have fun...always watching my back, and never trusting very many people I meet. Fortunately, it has been a recipe for success because I've had no problems with the people, and I have never been scammed by a girl. Of course I get the occasional request for money for the sick family member, rent, food, tuition or whatever else they can think of, but mostly I politely decline to give it to them, while continuing to be the nice guy that I am as I extract myself from the situation. You live, you learn.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
No I'm not anti Korean but the moral of the story is, I suppose that being a jerk is not limited to westerners. Consider this also. When Westerners are involved in scams, hustles and grifting, it far outweighs any thing these little scheming jezebels come up with to nick you out of a few hundred pesos.
Some of the biggest crooks over here are my fellow Americans, with a goodly showing of Europeans et al thrown in. These are the characters who come up with the phony land swindles, cockeyed investments, selling the non existant bar or business or everyones favorite the so called "treasure hunters" whose primary product is often the infamous "Mindanao lead sandwich" a thin coating of gold over a lead bar "just unearthed" of course.
Regards to all
Spamhog[/QUOTE]
Bill Buxton
02-04-07, 12:02
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Drool Over
02-06-07, 05:32
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Bill Buxton
02-06-07, 05:43
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Couple of months ago had a gal meet me at Cafe Havana, she was coming from Cavite. The cab driver did not turn the meter on and tried to scam her for about 500p. She got out of the cab, raised hell, then threatened to call the police. The cab driver quickly settled on a reasonable fare.
I told her it happened to me a few times, she replied: "yea, but I am a Phillipino and he was trying to do it to me."
We (foreigners)are more of a target, but bottom feeders feed on anything.
BB,
No smoke blown! I can say without a doubt I have never been scammed. If your talking about the round eye tax and all the other shit that most foreigners have to put up with in this country, then your right. But I don't consider that being scammed because we all except the extra charges as a fact of life here. The longer you stay, the better off you are on dealing with the locals and getting a better rate on whatever it is you seek. Mostly it doesn't hurt us because the service, whatever it is, is still cheap. Your flame was unnecessary. If your so unhappy in this country, then get the hell out and go home. Me? I'll take the Phils any day over the good old USA! And don't forget William, your only one mans opinion...your not a friggin' scholar on the affairs and happenings of everything that goes on in the Philippines every day, although you do add some useful information from time to time. Mostly, I see your posts as negative and demeaning to the Filipino people. Like I said, don't like it? Then get the Hell out!
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
To start listing a litany of where the Philippines is more corrupt or less efficient than the US is like a Filipino going to the States and moaning over the way there are too many restrictive laws, too much tax or something else.
I was there for 3 weeks recently and never had a problem or argument with the locals. BUT I did TWICE with an European and an African. The European because he wanted to take up three seats on a long-distance bus for himself and his European girlfriend.
Maybe he thought that the bus makers shouldn’t have made the seats so narrow (after all, they are wider in HIS far-better-in-so-many-ways country), or maybe he thought they shouldn’t have allowed such over crowding on the bus (would have been totally illegal in HIS far-better-in-so-many-ways country), or whatever it was that made him think that despite there being so many people in the aisle that some had to hang out of the doors, he and his GF were entitled to an extra seat for themselves.
Due to the over-crowding, everyone was in great spirits on the bus. There was much laughter, the cracking of jokes and then cheering when we went round corners.
All of course except three people, myself and the other two westerners. The only three westerners on the bus and now having an argument over my insisting that the guy move over so that I could sit down and have my (Filipino) girlfriend sit on my lap (she was too intimidated by the guy to sit there herself, as were the others on the bus).
I never saw the locals have an argument in my three weeks.
So what the taxis SOMETIMES try to over-charge you? All you have to do is ask them to turn the meter on, and most will, or tell them to stop the cab and take the next one. SO WHAT?
The taxi fares are ridiculously cheap anyway while gas isn’t that much cheaper then the states. These guys are working for peanuts. You and I would laugh if anyone suggested we work for even twice that rate, even if we lived in the Philippines.
You feel hard done by because you get charged a bit more in places then the local sales girl who earns $6 a day. You are a jerk. Your Filipino girlfriend must be desperate, and I pity her.
Go back home ASAP and go back to moaning about your delivered newspaper getting wet or the local store changing the location of the tomato sauce bottles. Go and find another crusade.
You’re not helping anyone here. You’re just spreading negativity.
No one forces anyone to go to the Philippines or anywhere else. I wish to god that these jerks who have to shout and make a scene in the internet café because the connection is so slow, or just love the way they can throw their (considerable) weight around in foreign countries would get the heck home because I’ll take a local small time wannabe hustler any day over arrogant, aggressive, obnoxious and anti-social behavior.
Fastpiston
02-07-07, 03:17
Having been in Phils some time and knowing many Filipinos, I can say taxi drivers are generally honest. They will try and charge a bit extra if traffic is very bad and they have to pay for gas and taxi rental. Also if they have to go to remote areas and get no return fare. Those charging far too much do so as much to Filipinos as they do to foreigners. Just make sure meter is on. If traffic is very heavy (rush hour) then expect to pay say 20% more. If excessive, just get out and get another taxi. That is Common Practice. Ideally have a good idea of what the fare should be to your destination. Ask the hotel or others to get this info.
On hotels charging 8% on credit cards, that is done by those places trying to get paid in cash so they do not have to pay VAT and other taxes. Most established hotels in Manila don't do that and about 50% of private owned 'resorts' do so.
Scammed or not, it is life. Some get more than others and life sucks in general. Everyone here appreciate reporting and warnings about them just as we appreciate the reporting of pussy conquests.
Most of my expriences in the PIs are great but I don't dare posting my sunshine stories days in and days out, let alone, whine a about my mishaps.
BB, you mentioned about your lived and lost and that you're are reporting the cold hard facts from the frontline and that some of the mongerers here are blowing smoke.
Dude! everyone here have lived and lost, that's why we left it behind for some pleasures in life. AC is not Bahdag. It's pussy heaven. Some here see things more in positive manners than others but that's not blowing smoke guy. You are more fortunate than most of us here to have stayed there for months now and what the hell is so harsh about your life. You tell us what is so rough about staying in a hotel, not having to work for months and with the price of an oil change in the US, you can get a girl for the night.Try to whine about that to the men and women in Irag who have literally lived and lost or to the Filipinos who have dulled their fingernails from scratching out a daily living in AC. Be real and be in context dude!
Why is it that everyone there tried to steal from you or treat you unfairly? Because you bring the knife to the table every time. You gave us some useful information about visa extension, and that's great, but why do you have to be so defensive about that? You're losing it guy, and that's just a thread of evidence.
Has anyone seen or heard from brother Good Enough in this forum. Gone awol for a while now.
Bill Buxton
02-07-07, 07:26
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02-07-07, 07:40
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Fred C Dobbs
02-07-07, 08:55
Bill Buxton I understand what you are saying, I just wouldn't have put it as bluntly as you. People trying to cheat me seems to the norm there. I use to think I might want to retire there someday but I just can't see it now. I just don't think I could live in an atmosphere of this kind of corruption where nobody can be trusted. It reminds me of Mexico where I was once told that there is a Mexican price and a gringo price for everything and that's the way it is. This meaning that I have to understand and accept that I should and will be cheated. It seems the same in the Philippines. And as for people telling you that if you don't like it to stay home, you don't have to do that. It's a big world and you can simply go to another country. I made my first trip to northern Thailand last month and liked it very much. You might too.
Gentlemen,
The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.
Accordingly, I have deleted a number of off-topic posts in this thread.
Let's get back to the subject.
Thank You,
Jackson
I apologize for starting the whole thing J.
Now back to business, 2 pussies walking into a bar ..............
Tuesday, January 09, 2007
HIV-positive man sexually active?
By Grace L. Plata
EXTRA caution is being asked of the public after City Hall was alerted to the presence of a foreigner said to be positive of the Human Immuno-deficiency Syndrome (HIV), the virus responsible for AIDS, who is sexually active and refuses to use protection in his encounters with local women.
The City Hall received e-mail reports from police intelligence regarding this Caucasian man who is said to be a long-term resident of the Philippines with a tourist or balikbayan visa but who does not have a work permit or a marriage contract to support his balikbayan visa.
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The report said the man has at some periods stayed in Davao, Surigao, Butuan, Gingoog, and Cagayan de Oro.
The foreigner is described to be around 5'3" in height, in his mid-fifties, has brown eyes and a heavy body build, with short hair, and clean shaven. He has lots of tattoos and drives a motorcycle with a Philippine license.
The man is also said to be intelligent and manipulative with a history of pay-offs to the police and other Philippine authorities. Also, that he has a criminal record in his country.
Sightings of the said foreigner should be reported to the police and other local authorities.
That's funny BW, for we all know asian rain
They'll get who ever the guy is because there aren't too many 5'3" caucasian men walking around out there.
Before Xmas at SM mall Cebu, I noticed a Very short White guy, lots of tattoos, guy stood out as he was animated and well... kinda racous, reminded me of a "miniature biker" short stubble hair. Whoever this Guy is he's a menace out there spreading AIDES, this is what gives "us" a bad name among the locals.
Be careful
Spamhog
Wander Luster
02-09-07, 09:47
Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.
A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.
He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.
He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.
Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.
You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.
Thanks mates!
Ok, whatch-all think.
You could have something there Wander Luster. The only way you'll find out if it works is to actually put the plan into action. I know the Thai men are always interested in beautiful light skinned foreign women. But pussy is pussy. If it looks great in one country, then it'll probably look great to the men in another country. They went crazy over my Korean wife (ex) years back. You would probably have to worry about the local mafia/strongmen becoming aware of what your doing. I don't think they would take too kindly to being cut-out of the profits as you move in on their turf.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.
A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.
He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.
He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.
Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.
You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.
Thanks mates!
Ok, whatch-all think.
FireWalker
02-09-07, 11:37
Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.
A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.
He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.
He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.
Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.
You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.
Thanks mates!
Ok, whatch-all think.
I think your problem would be is that you could be seen as a procurer and that is generally quashed in most countries. That is why the barfined system is used, is it not?
Please advise of legality of the below and potential success. I am NOT advocating this, just trying to find out the 411.
A mid 30s to mid 40s year old guy has spent about 1.5 years of the past 3 in the phils, well cebu to be precise.
He's sociable, well educated, "presentable", good looks in both Asia or the West.
He's spent a lot of money hanging out and bar-fining in Cebu. He pretty much knows how the girls in bars think there and how the whole scene operates there.
Question: What if he were to go to Bangkok where I guess you can say P2P is quasi-legal with 3 or 4 top choice bar-girls-- 9s-- from higher/very high end bars in cebu and then hang out in expensive hotel bars and help them hook up with costumers using his own ability to "connect" with the guys in these hotels.
You could think of some bad names for what this guy is doing. However, when it comes down to it he is seving the same function as:
1: a Westerner that opens and runs a bar in Bangkok
2: A Westerner that runs an Escort agency in any number of countries.
Thanks mates!
Ok, whatch-all think.
That advice from one who has lived, worked and of course mongered in Thailand. There are, in fact, a number of westerners in this "business". Some of them are Russians (read mobsters) who pimp blond women to Asian men. I knew of some Nigerians who, along with running golden triangle drugs, were supplying top quality girls to police and officials as "payment" to look the other way, Asians and Blonds/redheads. What all this means is there are westerners who are doing this and they are not the "friendly business atmosphere" types nor do they like competition. They are boy scouts compared to the Thai syndicates that have a lock on such matters. So you would be doing this at your own peril.
Technically, prostitution in Thailand is ILLEGAL, just as it is in the Phils. You would be fracturing all kinds of international laws about "trafficking" the U.N is on a crusade about. YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT OR RATTED OUT as That is Thailand and you can expect the BKK police to take a hefty share, or, if working with any of the aforementioned bad guys they will enact a "Thai solution". You might get away with it if you kept it to a small circle of clients whom you trust with girls whom you trust (Yeah right).
Personally, I would go with a bar in Pattaya or go down to Phuket and
see if you can rent a place and work out it out of there, I lived in Phuket for awhile and ran a small boat service, considered buying a resturaunt and having a few girls work for me, hefty payoffs to police but they are not as bad as the BKK bandits with badges. big hassel IMHO.
Think about doing the same in Hong Kong or better yet Macau with all the gambling places opening up.
Be careful out there
Regards
Spamhog
Agree with SH, You HOPE the police or NGOs get you before the Russian mobsters. LOTS of guys have had delusions of funding their mongering lifestyle by working in the sex industry but very few succeed. Just like drugs, where there is big money there is also big danger.
I wish you luck, but be VERY careful.
Bill Buxton
02-11-07, 00:12
Good or not the info I post is straight on. I will tell you no one guy here has all the right info. The place is up to the guy driving the car, the girl, the boat. Each experence here is a little different. Just like people, you never get the same anywhere.
I would like to say spend your own money and time here and make your own decision about this country. You will be the judge and jury after you live it here more than a week.
Bar fines, need I say anything more than it's a wonderful thing. You will find there are differences in service in the gals. I had a bf last week 7-8 is the right total number. The thing is only 1 was worth the repete session. She was wonderful and got compensated 2000-p for her performance thats a tip. She did everything she said she would do and she was great. She was happy, passionate, loving a great gf experence. The others went out of the bar layed down did the deal and wanted to go home. Thats what I am saying you never know what you get when you get the smiling gal from the bar. They all want the cash but often times do not want to give us what we are paying for.
I would also like to say 85% of the bf gals are hands down better than the ones at home gf or not. We pay 300 plus dollars per hour at home and they just barely get the job done most of the time. Could be I have stayed here too long complaning about bad service for 25 dollars for the whole night. Could be that all I am looking for is good service and simply doing at the hotel they said they would do. Thats all I don't ask for anything more than just what is agreed on prior to the deal. Asking too much? I don't think so, Just getting what I am paying for.
One gal got a great tip and some others got trike money thats the difference in me, thats the difference in them.
FACTS 101.
You can get a gal good or bad anywhere here. The service is all in what you as the customer wants. You and I both know what we want so you work your own deals. The gals all get half the price of the bf without a tip in the morning when they go home. I have found that a good tip 10-20 us is a shoe in fore a repete performance. No tip is a not a sure thing for a second time. Ladies drinks get you conversation with the perspective honey and I allways ask the questions about what I want for the night. If they agree they get the night out and dinner and vip treatment by me. Please know that the gal gets 50-p and the bar 100-p for each ladies dring we buy. I generaly ask before I buy a drink if she wants a bf and if no gets on drink or only one. No bar or gal will make us buy a drink before the gal goes bf thats a fact. Remember that after you get the gal for bf you need to check the bill for what you are paying for drink prices. The price for adrink is then a local price not a ladies drink. This meens you and the gal drink the same as what joe blow pays off the street. I would like to say that for safety reasons meening service safety, I after the bf would go directly to the hotel for service. If the service is good then go bar hopping or to dinner with your one pop out of the way. Many times they want the barhop first and after they ae drunk the service is bad or none at all.
I am giving my pearls here and if you all get some helpful tips here ok if not thats ok also. After all you all know what you can and do spend so you be the judge if you are prepared to spend the long dollar or get to the point as cheep as possable.
B. B.
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Pete The Beat
02-11-07, 02:20
Bill B, you summed it all up man - 100%! All the world over, people are different and each experience varies to some degree from the previous one, and there is no such thing as a free lunch! Bargirls or not, if you treat them well and tip or pay reasonably, it will come back to you with bonuses as a great GFE. If you treat them bad or are extra cheap, you have only yourself to blame if the night is not to your liking.
Enjoy your insights Bill! Keep up the good work!
Cheers,
Pete
Wander Luster
02-12-07, 06:42
That advice from one who has lived, worked and of course mongered in Thailand. There are, in fact, a number of westerners in this "business". Some of them are Russians (read mobsters) who pimp blond women to Asian men. I knew of some Nigerians who, along with running golden triangle drugs, were supplying top quality girls to police and officials as "payment" to look the other way, Asians and Blonds/redheads. What all this means is there are westerners who are doing this and they are not the "friendly business atmosphere" types nor do they like competition. They are boy scouts compared to the Thai syndicates that have a lock on such matters. So you would be doing this at your own peril.
Technically, prostitution in Thailand is ILLEGAL, just as it is in the Phils. You would be fracturing all kinds of international laws about "trafficking" the U.N is on a crusade about. YOU WILL BE FOUND OUT OR RATTED OUT as That is Thailand and you can expect the BKK police to take a hefty share, or, if working with any of the aforementioned bad guys they will enact a "Thai solution". You might get away with it if you kept it to a small circle of clients whom you trust with girls whom you trust (Yeah right).
Personally, I would go with a bar in Pattaya or go down to Phuket and
see if you can rent a place and work out it out of there, I lived in Phuket for awhile and ran a small boat service, considered buying a resturaunt and having a few girls work for me, hefty payoffs to police but they are not as bad as the BKK bandits with badges. big hassel IMHO.
Think about doing the same in Hong Kong or better yet Macau with all the gambling places opening up.
Be careful out there
Regards
Spamhog
The key with this is Trust. Any number of people on here could do something like what I propose. But it's true that if you have nasty guys on the fringes that could do bad to you and it could be twisted so that you are "trafficking" when that is not quit what I have in mind, then this is just a BAD idea.
Then their is of course trust with a paying guy. There is trust with girls from the Phils.
I'm a risk taker, not doing well financially right now, but not will to be stupid for money and fun. If I grew up in poverty, and was desperate for money, this risk might be more conceivable. But part of the point is that I don't look like a drug trafficer or a guy from Africa involved in shady trade. And I do look educated and am someone that's held good jobs. I can "fit in" with guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.
The only way I could see this working is:
I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction. That seems like a problem! There is not much I have to trust her for if I know her in the Phils enough to know her family. I don't think she would stiff me too easily if I ask for a portion of the money upon return. Then there is the chance that a girl tries to turn against me and makes up some story. But it would be my word against hers. She wouldn't do it in BKK-- it's more foreign to her than to me.
As far as someone that I introduce to a fabulous babe from the Phils, I think I would have to make it clear that the person is just a traveling companion and I am no more or less (which is not exactly true). What is my obligation to the girls so if the guy is a Psycho I can help them out? Maybe she can text me if she's in a really bad situation and I am just the traveling friend that comes to be whatever help I can. And he would know that he really should behave him self because these girls deserve it (my attitude in general with ANY P2P situation).
BKK is such a big place. If I make trips there with 3 girls for 3 weeks at a time, and I DON'T have regular costumers for them who could start telling "bad guys" in the city about me and I DON't frequent the same places, well maybe then it's safe-ish.
The only reason I even think of BKK first is that it SEEMS most lax with it's P2P, but I don't know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes there. In Cebu, for example, if you are caught (and it usually happens from the guys you DON"T pay off who come down from Manila and the Federal this or that law agency) you will be in jail for a VERY long time. By "caught" I'm thinking of Mama Sans who I know of who are or were going to be sentenced to massive jail terms, but I think all bar owners know enough to pretent they know nothing of any of the girls working for them doing P2P. They would never let themselves be drawn in as "conected". My guess is they can say a "bar fine" is not for sex.
Singapore? I don't want to guess the penalty. Hong Kong, again I have no idea what the Chinese would do if they decide you have indeed been involved in P2P.
But when I was in BKK not too long ago, it seemed that freelancers were everywhere and not at all concerned about the cops. So if that's the case, and I am merely acting as a friend introducing them ...and they later ask for money...well that's why BKK seemed logical.
I would never invest in a bar. Everyone is doing that, and this has advantages that bars don't.
More advice, even just for arguments sake...appreciated.
I sometimes get email messages from someone who is doing something similar to what you mention here. I delete the mail, but if you PM me with your email address, I'll forward it to you the next time it comes.
X
guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.
The only way I could see this working is:
I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction.
Johnny Wynne
02-12-07, 09:33
Hi Guys,
Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.
Could anyone tell me if
1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?
2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?
Hope someone can help.
Thanks,
Jon
Giannibella
02-12-07, 23:19
Hi Guys,
Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.
Could anyone tell me if
1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?
2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?
Hope someone can help.
Thanks,
JonHi Johnny,
I am sorry but there isn't much action in Boracay. I just came back from Boracay 20 days ago. I strongly suggest you to bring a girl from Manila.
FireWalker
02-13-07, 00:48
Hi Guys,
Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.
Could anyone tell me if
1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?
2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?
Hope someone can help.
Thanks,
Jon
No Girlie Bars, just pick up places. The girls I have seen are not up to par, bring your own.
Don't stay at expensive place to impress the girl. She should be happy just getting to go. Don't stay directly on beach, but a little off. Trust me. Try Cocomangas, it is fine. You can usually get room for 1500 pesos. Nice garden atmosphere. Romantic in a Robinson Caruso type way. Read other post on these subjects.
Bill Buxton
02-13-07, 01:14
Remember guys the real law here states prostitution is illegal here in the whole country as it is not in other countries. Just keep that in mind when you involve a third party in a transaction here you never know who is who. Or one better who is related to who, you anin't in Kansas anymore, Dorathy.
Bill Buxton
02-13-07, 02:01
Although I would add that we are all the same regardless of nationality and, to a large degree, sex.
Sometimes we seem different but thats due to experiences and environment. If you grow up in the west you have it easier and don't have to hustle much if you don't want to. if you grow up in Asia, you don't have so many safety nets so do have to hustle more to survive.
The guys who complain about the girls they meet; how would YOU behave if you were that girl? How would YOU behave if you were treated as a cheap ***** just to be used?
If YOU were a girl from the provinces of PI, with not much education and with your looks and sex being possibly your greatest assets what would YOU do? Be all meek and just accept your poor situation hoping to meet that knight in shining armour? We all know he doesn't exist!
Hustling is just a part of life. If you're a salesman, have your own business, are self-employed, are trying to scale the corporate ladder, etc. don't you hustle as well?? Does that make you a bad person?
Being wise is essential but being cynical is not.
Expect the worse from someone and they will probably prove you right. Expect the best and they might just justify that expectation.
In my business, when someone thinks I'm hustling them I will get every cent I can from them. Otherwise I'm very fair.
Too many people go around with the attitude that they are victims and are just waiting to be proved right. They don't remember the years of fun and happiness thay got from a marriage but only remember now the messy divorce. And if there were no years of fun and happiness, then you were just acting as a victim and deserve all you got.This post brings up a good point about service. I have never had bad pussy here and that is not what I am saying. The thing is after how many hundreds barfines you tend to get picky about what you want from the provider. Not kinkey sex just a good night out. When you interview the gal in the bar and ask her if she will stay all night fuck 2-3 times and be nice, you want what you asked about, and what she agreed to do thats all. You wine and dine and treat the little thing as you would a babby and then when the door closes in the room you get the "I don't want! I have a headache or what ever else they think up.
Please remember they are working in the bar to make money! For what ever the reason. As a business person they have to think smart thats why some gals have money and some do not its the thought process. Bad service always ends up with a fuck or two but good service is a night and a gal you wou would be happy to do over and over. Or even tell a friend about and knowing she will do what she said and not take his gold teeth when he is sleeping.
You do everything you say and they, "not all" do nothing they say they will do for us. This is a problem here now in high season not like when there are no foreign guys here. They want the cash and a tip for express service. It is a hazard that we all have to work with here. They will try, and some win, but when you get a gal that will stay the night smile laugh and give great service you reward her! With a good tip and are happy to see her again. And she will want to see aryone of us again because she knows who did what they said also.
Play straight with them and SOME NOT ALL will make the A-LIST and the others give them trike money and smile at them when you see them the next time. After all they made there bed let them lay in it.
I say give him a medal!
A bigger problem: newbies comes around, asks a bunch of questions, apparently go on their vacation, and then never make any kind of followup posts. So much for sharing....
X
Chronic posters have a tendency to dominate the forum discussions and inhibit the diverse opinions of other ISG members. For example: Surfer has posted over 40+ times in the first week of February alone. And if you look at his history, he often times posts over 10 times in the same day. Over the last few weeks, Surfer has expressed his expert opinion in the following 9 forums: Western Africa, The Philippines, Thailand, Ecuador, Peru, Indonesia, Tijuana, Nicaragua and Columbia. Seems a bit stifling to me...
Guinness
Hi Guys,
Thinking about going to Boracay from Manila for a couple of days and perhaps stay at the Boracay Tropics Resort.
Could anyone tell me if
1) There is much action in Boracay in the way of girlie bars i.e any problem picking up a cutie for the night OR should we bring a girl with us from Manila?
2) Can anyone recommend a cool and nice place to stay in Boracay preferably near the beach or somewhere a nice cutie would enjoy staying?
Hope someone can help.
Thanks,
JonI did a couple of posts on Boracay back in June/July under "Other areas" I think. I would bring my own, other than that you find your own Clara Belle in cocomangas shooters bar at night, not very much selection...but.... Also check out the red coconut hotel or cocomangas resort (Native huts with AC/TV etc.)
Spamhog
The key with this is Trust. Any number of people on here could do something like what I propose. But it's true that if you have nasty guys on the fringes that could do bad to you and it could be twisted so that you are "trafficking" when that is not quit what I have in mind, then this is just a BAD idea.
Then their is of course trust with a paying guy. There is trust with girls from the Phils.
I'm a risk taker, not doing well financially right now, but not will to be stupid for money and fun. If I grew up in poverty, and was desperate for money, this risk might be more conceivable. But part of the point is that I don't look like a drug trafficer or a guy from Africa involved in shady trade. And I do look educated and am someone that's held good jobs. I can "fit in" with guys that are willing to pay big bucks for the best of the best right at their doorstep-- in a hotel bar.
The only way I could see this working is:
I do not handle money from a guy. He can pay a girl in a room. BUT when she gives me money then I'm part of a transaction. That seems like a problem! There is not much I have to trust her for if I know her in the Phils enough to know her family. I don't think she would stiff me too easily if I ask for a portion of the money upon return. Then there is the chance that a girl tries to turn against me and makes up some story. But it would be my word against hers. She wouldn't do it in BKK-- it's more foreign to her than to me.
As far as someone that I introduce to a fabulous babe from the Phils, I think I would have to make it clear that the person is just a traveling companion and I am no more or less (which is not exactly true). What is my obligation to the girls so if the guy is a Psycho I can help them out? Maybe she can text me if she's in a really bad situation and I am just the traveling friend that comes to be whatever help I can. And he would know that he really should behave him self because these girls deserve it (my attitude in general with ANY P2P situation).
BKK is such a big place. If I make trips there with 3 girls for 3 weeks at a time, and I DON'T have regular costumers for them who could start telling "bad guys" in the city about me and I DON't frequent the same places, well maybe then it's safe-ish.
The only reason I even think of BKK first is that it SEEMS most lax with it's P2P, but I don't know a lot about what goes on behind the scenes there. In Cebu, for example, if you are caught (and it usually happens from the guys you DON"T pay off who come down from Manila and the Federal this or that law agency) you will be in jail for a VERY long time. By "caught" I'm thinking of Mama Sans who I know of who are or were going to be sentenced to massive jail terms, but I think all bar owners know enough to pretent they know nothing of any of the girls working for them doing P2P. They would never let themselves be drawn in as "conected". My guess is they can say a "bar fine" is not for sex.
Singapore? I don't want to guess the penalty. Hong Kong, again I have no idea what the Chinese would do if they decide you have indeed been involved in P2P.
But when I was in BKK not too long ago, it seemed that freelancers were everywhere and not at all concerned about the cops. So if that's the case, and I am merely acting as a friend introducing them ...and they later ask for money...well that's why BKK seemed logical.
I would never invest in a bar. Everyone is doing that, and this has advantages that bars don't.
More advice, even just for arguments sake...appreciated.Lets look at things from a purely TACTICAL/PRACTICAL and FINANCIAL POINT OF VIEW.
Okay for some reason we're are concentrating on BKK in this case, maybe coz of the free wheeling pussy there, Logical, but stop and think why a lot of guys go to Thailand....right... THAI WOMEN. There are LOADS of 'em from all strata and not just THAI, but CHINESE,WHITE (Russian and Chezch) etc. You can go into the bars and find Issan peasant girls that westerners get stupid over (I did) You can find Thai freelancers who drive a car, has a Degree from Chula U and wears diamonds. (I did) You can go into exclusive clubs and
get the most beautiful and talented and expensive women of various races IF YOU GOT THE MONEY AND THE CONNECTIONS (I did NOT) most guys DONT coz it is EXCLUSIVE, that means you are known and invited by someone important, and HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT.
Now with all that wonderful poon floating around, why would anyone want a FILIPINA???? I'm sure somebody would perhaps for sheer communication, IF SHE were exceptionally pretty, or a super kinky type, did three ways or whatever, BUT she would have to compete with the Thai version, that AINT EASY from a purely sexual standpoint. Take a pole on this forum or the Thai one and see if SEXUALLY Gentlemen prefer Thai or Filipina, ever discussion I can remember here gives the Thai her oscar in that catagory, somebody correct me if im wrong.
Now, who ever is footing the bill for this traveling panty show better have his ducketts in a row. Consider the cost of getting a Filipina a passport, now a plane ticket. Now put them up in a hotel, food, dresses, shoes (Working clothes) makeup, hairstyle, Food, cell phones. Are you gonna get 'em a visa or just stay the thirty days? Add all that up and add a few things I forgot and multiply by how many ladies you intend to bring. Give you some idea what you need to break even or even afford the payoffs to whomever.
So financially it wouldn't be feasible IMHO, unless you had some guys lined up ready to pay a couple hundred US a throw. (short time).
Now as I said before, I lived in LOS, worked out of the resort town of Phuket and went to BKK and other places often. I NEVER SAW A FILIPINA WORKING GIRL!!!!! Now I heard of two Filipina sisters down in Krabi (I think) who ran a bar and had a couple of Phils working it but I never confirmed it.
Last but not least I ask: has this Hypothetical person EVER been to LOS BKK and spent any time there? I mean other than mongering, does he know the language? The customs? Can he read Thai?
Its a nice fantasy, one I had, I was going to BUY a bar in Phuket and be a pimp daddy just like my Idol (The Dutch guy who runs the Club Eden bar on soi 7 1/2). But I decided it wasn't worth the hassle.
Good luck.
The Spamhog
Bill Buxton
02-15-07, 02:33
Again you can own nothing here as a foreigner in your own name so why take the risk. Not a bar, a business of anykind or a house. SO never never never Buy in, or be part of this game they sell here. There is no investments here that are good until we (foreigners) can OWN here. This was brought on by a overheard conversation in my hotel reataurant tod between a local and a foreign guy. I don't want to sound like a broken record here but it's an old song they are playing here. And there will be no place for you to sit when the music stops.
You will be on a plane home crying in your tea I am very sure of it. Power of attourney, trust, corps, Its all shit. Remember you spend 60 thousand american or same in pounds and who here will buy that? What local person here can get that kind of cash? There is a small market here and it the foreigner who has the cash not the locals never forget that. You can but a property at home and a guy and his wife can get a morgage to pay you and you will make dollars or pounds not pesos. Buy and book your tickets on line not a the fleecing travel agents here. Just take a 5 minute break and check the price yourself could be you can keep the jingle in your pocket and not buy a family a sack of rice today.
Also get the girls and have some fun why buy when you can rent. You stay here and fuck for a month whatever tickles your fancy. Iam sure you have had more ass than any 10 guys at home get in a year. So be happy and just come here for what you heard about, THE PUSSY.
BB
I know the pharmacy's carry Azithromycin in the Philippines. But do they carry Doxycycline and Cefixim (Tricef) over the counter as well without a prescription? I like to have all on hand in case of STD emergencies while I'm mongering around the country. Any info would be helpful. I just can't stay away from those BBBJ's!
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
Joel Goodsen
02-15-07, 11:49
But do they carry Doxycycline and Cefixim (Tricef) over the counter as well without a prescription?
Yella Man
Yes, they do... always best to check with the doc though.. Zithromax and Ciproxin/ciprofloxacin are available too. Cheers.
Thanks for the quick reply Joel G. I can build an emergency STD kit when I get there. I'm gonna venture off the beaten path for a few days this next trip.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
Yes, they do... always best to check with the doc though.. Zithromax and Ciproxin/ciprofloxacin are available too. Cheers.
Thanks for the quick reply Joel G. I can build an emergency STD kit when I get there. I'm gonna venture off the beaten path for a few days this next trip.
Always on the Quest
Yella ManIs it illegal to bring them back into the country if you purchased them legally overseas? Will customs treat you like a drug smuggler? If anyone kows the answer please let me know.
Thanks,
Guinness
Bill Buxton
02-16-07, 04:19
i have visited a bar for the last several weeks and found out some great intel on the inner circle. seems the puppasan in a bar here is wacking a gal and not paying her the bf. yes is that a surprise i am sure not. the real story is the gal is only 16 years old! first he skipps out on his bosses cut of the proffit then wacks an **** gal. and the bestquestion here is who hired the fucking gal in the first place ha?
this is not a new thing going on here but please remember if the gal looks to young i am sure she is! there is no one i repete no body gonna help you or me for this problem here. if thats your bag great don't expect anyhelp from the peanut gallery here! gentle this is a big problem and is widespread here with the gals. they get a fake id from a sister friend or whoever and go dancing. if caught you will pay here and also when you touch ground in your perspective countries!
this is going on in a/see and should i post it there who knows you be the judge. i just wanted you to know it's not a safe bet if she looks to young. there are too many gals here that are drop dead beautiful to have without going down for this!
who did i get my info from? a relative of the gal herself. she is working under a different name and birth record with no license in a large bar. if the puppasan is in on the deal what does this say to you about them protecting us? make sure the gal has a work license and if she does not pass the gal by. this might be ****, new but not gone for a hygene check or many other potential problems for us.
please feel free to pm me for the bar location and info.
bb
Fastpiston
02-16-07, 06:20
Again you can own nothing here as a foreigner in your own name so why take the risk. Not a bar, a business of anykind or a house. SO never never never Buy in, or be part of this game they sell here. There is no investments here that are good until we (foreigners) can OWN here. This was brought on by a overheard conversation in my hotel reataurant tod between a local and a foreign guy. I don't want to sound like a broken record here but it's an old song they are playing here. And there will be no place for you to sit when the music stops.
You will be on a plane home crying in your tea I am very sure of it. Power of attourney, trust, corps, Its all shit. Remember you spend 60 thousand american or same in pounds and who here will buy that? What local person here can get that kind of cash? There is a small market here and it the foreigner who has the cash not the locals never forget that. You can but a property at home and a guy and his wife can get a morgage to pay you and you will make dollars or pounds not pesos. Buy and book your tickets on line not a the fleecing travel agents here. Just take a 5 minute break and check the price yourself could be you can keep the jingle in your pocket and not buy a family a sack of rice today.
Also get the girls and have some fun why buy when you can rent. You stay here and fuck for a month whatever tickles your fancy. Iam sure you have had more ass than any 10 guys at home get in a year. So be happy and just come here for what you heard about, THE PUSSY.
BB
At last, someone who is putting running a business / buying property in Philippines into true perspective! Push the brakes on VERY HARD if you see yourself 'investing' in the Philippines. RENT RENT RENT!
If the idea is only running a business, before you do that check out Philippine company law (especially if you are going into the recruitment of Philippine labor) as well as very difficult general trade union problems. A few years ago HSBC threatened to pull out of Philippines and most foreign companies have a non-stop trade union problem. Typically each year, next year trade union negotiations last 6-9 months!!!!
I just can't stay away from those BBBJ's!
Hey YM,
Have you ever caught anything from a BBBJ?
Just curious
M
Guinness,
I never have problems bringing meds into Korea. I have brought Zitromax and Cialis/Viagra back many times. I just stuff them into an empty or at the bottom of partially filled Vitamin bottles. But I have never been questioned about the meds yet.
Mattrick,
Once upon a time in the Philippines I caught a dose of something thru a BBBJ. It only happened that once...and believe me, I've had a my fair share of BBBJ's since then. But, it's better to be prepared then to get caught with your pants down holding a sore dripping dick while your on a mongering vacation!
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
Is it illegal to bring them back into the country if you purchased them legally overseas? Will customs treat you like a drug smuggler? If anyone kows the answer please let me know.
Thanks,
Guinness
Pete The Beat
02-17-07, 13:16
I've copped some flac on this board and others over my recent trip report to Manila where i disclosed that i had paid some of the LA Cafe girls 3000 pesos for an all night session. I don't have any regrets over my payments as in each instance I had a great time and when I have gone to Burgos or EDSA i have been paying 1000 or more for a barfine and at least another 1000 or more for the girls tip, so i didn't think it was such a big difference. I prefer the girl not the bar to have my money anyway.
Should we have a thread with comparable prices etc of others experiences? I know lots of blokes think that by only paying 500 or 1000 pesos they are getting a bargain but what if you are after a more complete GFE where you know you will probably see the girl the next night but may not want to be with her or might take her again in a couple of nights? Surely a little generosity can go a long way? I know on my next trip I am planning the same approach as it worked well for me - all this talk about inflating prices etc doesn't wash with me as if you want quality in anything you have to pay for it.
Does anyone know what these girls, bargirls or freelancers, make on average cos simple maths tell us that there are heaps of girls for each guy and there is no way that these girls make money every single night - there's just not enough guys to service all the girls!!
No big deal - each to their own - I was just wondering about it, thats all.
Cheers
Pete
Wander Luster
02-18-07, 08:17
At last, someone who is putting running a business / buying property in Philippines into true perspective! Push the brakes on VERY HARD if you see yourself 'investing' in the Philippines. RENT RENT RENT!
If the idea is only running a business, before you do that check out Philippine company law (especially if you are going into the recruitment of Philippine labor) as well as very difficult general trade union problems. A few years ago HSBC threatened to pull out of Philippines and most foreign companies have a non-stop trade union problem. Typically each year, next year trade union negotiations last 6-9 months!!!!
Not so sure I would say you can "own nothing". I own an outsourcing company 99.5%. I'm the president and I have a work visa 'cause it's registered with PEZA.
By the way, the company is failing, in part because the "sevice" nature of it in the IT area meant that the Phils way of doing things did cause a lot of cultural problems for my companies costumers (this is not a call center or something like that),
It's true that the majority shareholders must be from the Phils, but their ownership is token.
As far as trust, my conclussion after running this company is that it is true that there are more people "jaded" because their country is so fucked up than if you looked in the US or Europe. they are more willing to take advantage of someone regardless of where he is from.
But on the other-hand, Filipinos are famous for their loyalty. And man have I seen that. I've had employees working for me for almost 3 years who I trust far more than anyone I've worked with in the US all my life.
One thing I will also share is my experience that filipinos are lacking in "rational common sense" that we are used to in the west and don't ever over look that as a cliche. It is VERY real. That is a general trait in SEA, especially Thailand. But doing biz in the Phils can drive a Westerner crazy because people can do so many things that are clearly irrational. Even some of the ethnic Chinese who are very rational businessman will say the same.
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Regarding the idea of going to BKK with Phil girls.
I find it very interesting, very, that there are not more girls going over there own there. I've been there with 3 of my employees for biz (all women) and it was very interesting how they were as clueless about LOS as a westerner would be the first time. RT flight from cebu is only 180 USD.
I do think my idea is do-able, but risky. The key is that it is I who help break the ice for these girls to meet guys. Sure, there's a trillion other girls, but they may not have someone as a very effective go-between.
I posted roughly the same idea in the BKK thread and in my 12 years of being online have NEVER been flamed so badly. Part of that is the mob mentality on that thread. And part of it is that they saw me as "invading their turf" by trying something like that.
"Asia Hand" who's got a record of 100s of posts on the board told me to "fuck off" which gave me a chuckle.
Anyway, it's all academic now, because I'm not going to do that. As far as the "traditional routes" of getting into the P4P industry, I've talked to enough bar owners to not even dream of ever wanting to own a bar.
It's true that Thai's in GENERAL are for sure better in bed. I've slept with at least 25 of them, and lost count in the 100s for Filipinas. But when you hand select, I think girls from Cebu come out hands down winners. That is largely due to the fact that even girls that are not too "hardened" can speak some English. That's the type I and many others like. But in BKK, many/most girls like that other than providing great sex ...it's just sign language...which I don't find as fun nor do many other guys.
Cheers
Not so sure I would say you can "own nothing". I own an outsourcing company 99.5%. I'm the president and I have a work visa 'cause it's registered with PEZA.
By the way, the company is failing, in part because the "sevice" nature of it in the IT area meant that the Phils way of doing things did cause a lot of cultural problems for my companies costumers (this is not a call center or something like that),
It's true that the majority shareholders must be from the Phils, but their ownership is token.
As far as trust, my conclussion after running this company is that it is true that there are more people "jaded" because their country is so fucked up than if you looked in the US or Europe. they are more willing to take advantage of someone regardless of where he is from.
But on the other-hand, Filipinos are famous for their loyalty. And man have I seen that. I've had employees working for me for almost 3 years who I trust far more than anyone I've worked with in the US all my life.
One thing I will also share is my experience that filipinos are lacking in "rational common sense" that we are used to in the west and don't ever over look that as a cliche. It is VERY real. That is a general trait in SEA, especially Thailand. But doing biz in the Phils can drive a Westerner crazy because people can do so many things that are clearly irrational. Even some of the ethnic Chinese who are very rational businessman will say the same.
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Regarding the idea of going to BKK with Phil girls.
I find it very interesting, very, that there are not more girls going over there own there. I've been there with 3 of my employees for biz (all women) and it was very interesting how they were as clueless about LOS as a westerner would be the first time. RT flight from cebu is only 180 USD.
I do think my idea is do-able, but risky. The key is that it is I who help break the ice for these girls to meet guys. Sure, there's a trillion other girls, but they may not have someone as a very effective go-between.
I posted roughly the same idea in the BKK thread and in my 12 years of being online have NEVER been flamed so badly. Part of that is the mob mentality on that thread. And part of it is that they saw me as "invading their turf" by trying something like that.
"Asia Hand" who's got a record of 100s of posts on the board told me to "fuck off" which gave me a chuckle.
Anyway, it's all academic now, because I'm not going to do that. As far as the "traditional routes" of getting into the P4P industry, I've talked to enough bar owners to not even dream of ever wanting to own a bar.
It's true that Thai's in GENERAL are for sure better in bed. I've slept with at least 25 of them, and lost count in the 100s for Filipinas. But when you hand select, I think girls from Cebu come out hands down winners. That is largely due to the fact that even girls that are not too "hardened" can speak some English. That's the type I and many others like. But in BKK, many/most girls like that other than providing great sex ...it's just sign language...which I don't find as fun nor do many other guys.
Cheers
Gentlemen, no matter who I talk to over here they all say the same thing.
The Phils is GREAT for mongering, and GREAT to live her IF YOU GOT A PENSION< 401 K or means of support other than a business. COZ everybody, TO A MAN will say the same things Wander L has just said.
The businesses usually fail...
Regading that, I recently tried to invest in the Philippine stock market, wanted to buy PLDT and San Mig among some others, WHAT A FREAKIN HASSLE!!!!! For a foreigner to buy Phil stock you have to get a Phil business license and TIN, all stock certificates MUST be held in BPI which you have to open an account in. I dont have a problem with TIN or the bank holding the certificates but getting a "business" license????BS! IT'S AN INVESTMENT IN A PHIL COMPANY, that is yet another reason why people dont want to invest in the Phils, difficult to do even through legitimate channels, however, you can purchase several Phil company stocks through your US broker as several are traded internationally...and you dont need a business license.
Regarding teh BKK idea WL, it doesn;t suprise me that you got the reaction you did from the BKK board, I knew you would, be glad you didn;t lay out all that cash and get the same reaction when you and the three lovelies stepped off the plane, trust me, you wouldn't have been around to post on it.
good Luck
Spamhog
Pete, If I recall correctly, you suspected you paid too much from the very beginning. I was one of a few who confirmed that, but some people made a big fuss and whined about "driving up the prices". Hmmmm
After your girl told all her province girlfriends about making 3k in a night, they all hopped on a bus and made their sweet way to LA cafe, driving down prices for those who followed in your footsteps. Thanks -- you're the man.
I don't think we need a seperate thread for money talk. I also disagree with your point about paying extra to ensure the GFE. If she feels any genuine attraction, you'd be better off giving her a small amount of "spending money / taxi money", rather than a large amount of "I know you're a w.... money".
Also, the hot women often do make money every night, and also get an allowance from "fiances" or other repeat customers. Two of the hottest and most GFE ladies I've ever had are now married and living in the West. I gave them 1k per night. Go figure.
I do have a friend who pays extra as kind of a hardship allowance. His thinking is that he's 3X her age, fat and terribly ugly. Therefore he tips more. This makes perfect sense to me. Lucky for me, I'm only 2X her age, chubby, and moderately ugly.
*** One LA cafe girl took me to her place which was a tiny room not much bigger than her bed. This was a block away from LA and cost her 7,500 a month. At 1,500 a pop, she needs five customers just to pay the rent. Of course most ladies pay a lot less for the rent.
Keep posting Pete....always good to hear from you.
X
I've copped some flac on this board and others over my recent trip report to Manila where i disclosed that i had paid some of the LA Cafe girls 3000 pesos for an all night session. I don't have any regrets over my payments as in each instance I had a great time and when I have gone to Burgos or EDSA i have been paying 1000 or more for a barfine and at least another 1000 or more for the girls tip, so i didn't think it was such a big difference. I prefer the girl not the bar to have my money anyway.
Should we have a thread with comparable prices etc of others experiences? I know lots of blokes think that by only paying 500 or 1000 pesos they are getting a bargain but what if you are after a more complete GFE where you know you will probably see the girl the next night but may not want to be with her or might take her again in a couple of nights? Surely a little generosity can go a long way? I know on my next trip I am planning the same approach as it worked well for me - all this talk about inflating prices etc doesn't wash with me as if you want quality in anything you have to pay for it.
Does anyone know what these girls, bargirls or freelancers, make on average cos simple maths tell us that there are heaps of girls for each guy and there is no way that these girls make money every single night - there's just not enough guys to service all the girls!!
No big deal - each to their own - I was just wondering about it, thats all.
Cheers
Pete
After your girl told all her province girlfriends about making 3k in a night, they all hopped on a bus and made their sweet way to LA cafe, driving down prices for those who followed in your footsteps. Thanks -- you're the man.
Sweet!
I don't think we need a seperate thread for money talk. I also disagree with your point about paying extra to ensure the GFE. If she feels any genuine attraction, you'd be better off giving her a small amount of "spending money / taxi money", rather than a large amount of "I know you're a w.... money".
Also, the hot women often do make money every night, and also get an allowance from "fiances" or other repeat customers. Two of the hottest and most GFE ladies I've ever had are now married and living in the West. I gave them 1k per night. Go figure.
I agree wholeheartedly with this. But not because I'm a cheap charlie. Instead, it's because many of the women do not think of themselves as w....s so if you treat them well and are patient, it's not necessary to spend a lot more for the GFE. If you got the GFE, you can give her a little too much for the taxi in the morning. And she will probably take the jeepney back to her place.
I do have a friend who pays extra as kind of a hardship allowance. His thinking is that he's 3X her age, fat and terribly ugly. Therefore he tips more. This makes perfect sense to me. Lucky for me, I'm only 2X her age, chubby, and moderately ugly.
Yeah, I get that.
*** One LA cafe girl took me to her place which was a tiny room not much bigger than her bed. This was a block away from LA and cost her 7,500 a month. At 1,500 a pop, she needs five customers just to pay the rent. Of course most ladies pay a lot less for the rent.
I bet dollars to donuts she wasn't paying that much for the room. She just told you that so you might feel sorry for her and separate yourself from a little more cash.
Keep posting Pete....always good to hear from you.
X
Likewise, Pete, I like reading your posts.
I bet dollars to donuts she wasn't paying that much for the room. She just told you that so you might feel sorry for her and separate yourself from a little more cash.
Of course, P 2500 is probably closer to the truth than 7500.
Pete The Beat
02-19-07, 12:20
Let's face it - it is a true market economy. Supply and demand will determine the price for the product in question. Fact is we are competing heavily now with the japanese and koreans who pay large amounts - 5000+pesos is not uncommon - so who do you think the girls will favor? Only a matter of time before the japanese and koreans start to gravitate towards cheaper AC and the same thing will happen there. Think outside the square and look for girls in the malls etc - takes a bit more effort but they are there and a great GFE can be found with a little patience. And lets face it, 2000 or 3000 pesos for an all night encounter is not that expensive if the girl is worth it. Back in Oz you pay that just for a few drinks trying to chat up a girl without any promise of more goodies to come!
IMHO patience is the answer and there are so many good looking girls you can't miss out so whats an extra $20 if it means a great night?
Enjoy while you can
Cheers
Pete
Bill Buxton
02-19-07, 23:45
Most of the time the gals ask for much more than the actual price on whatever they are buying. The longer you stay the better you are at giving the right amount. A general rule is give half of what they want and it seems like they always make that amount work. You will here stories of big money here so take what you here with a grain of salt. Remember, they will always try for more its just part of life here. When they know in there mind you are the one then they will start helping your wallet. Like many here say, its, only 1 or two dollars, yes thats right but what about when its bigger money. The longer you stay the better you are on knowing whats up with prices.
BB
FireWalker
02-21-07, 02:18
I've copped some flac on this board and others over my recent trip report to Manila where i disclosed that i had paid some of the LA Cafe girls 3000 pesos for an all night session. I don't have any regrets over my payments as in each instance I had a great time and when I have gone to Burgos or EDSA i have been paying 1000 or more for a barfine and at least another 1000 or more for the girls tip, so i didn't think it was such a big difference. I prefer the girl not the bar to have my money anyway.
Should we have a thread with comparable prices etc of others experiences? I know lots of blokes think that by only paying 500 or 1000 pesos they are getting a bargain but what if you are after a more complete GFE where you know you will probably see the girl the next night but may not want to be with her or might take her again in a couple of nights? Surely a little generosity can go a long way? I know on my next trip I am planning the same approach as it worked well for me - all this talk about inflating prices etc doesn't wash with me as if you want quality in anything you have to pay for it.
Does anyone know what these girls, bargirls or freelancers, make on average cos simple maths tell us that there are heaps of girls for each guy and there is no way that these girls make money every single night - there's just not enough guys to service all the girls!!
No big deal - each to their own - I was just wondering about it, thats all.
Cheers
Pete"Generosity" has nothing to do with it. If a girl likes you/or mistakenly thinks she has a future with you, she will see you again. I know bargirls that barfine almost every night and they don't work on Fields. I know bargirls that never barfine, but sleep with a foreign guy for free. I know a bargirl that was receiving $1700 USD a month from some moron until he found out she was fucking the DJ in her club. I know a bargirl who is pregnant by one of the bar owners, but she keeps whispering to my girlfriend that she want to do a 3 some with us.
The money doesn't "guarantee" anything, but that you are seen as a soft touch, if anything. Its okay to do what you do, but try to not be seen as predictable.
Pete The Beat
02-21-07, 11:37
I was reading a thread on PI at Night.com regarding the increased bf prices at EDSA and Burgos - anyone here know about this? The thread stated that barfines are now up at the 3000 peso mark which seems to be a steep hike. Is this the influence of the Japanese and Koreans? Or just inflation catching up like everywhere else?
Cheers,
Pete
Captain America
02-22-07, 21:22
Pete,
You post that you voluntarily overpay by about double because you think it gets you better service (and I will bet that it doesn't but that's a separate argument), and then you worry about inflation and BF going up. You see a connection there?
Bill Buxton
02-22-07, 21:53
I here all the time say you ruin things for the rest, and guys ay this to each other. Live the way you want andpay what you want who cares. What I call good service the other guy will say its just ok. There are no set prices on anything in this place so if you pay more they win. The thing is we all pay more one way or another at one time or another so thats the way it is. The smart guy pay less after he gets wind of he payed to much. And if he is smart will not repete the same mode of operation again. Live and learn.
Some gals want a guy and others think that gal is loko loko. Everyone likes different things here the gals also. The best thing is they all like cash.
B. B.
Pasante Unique
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I got my Pasante Unique's in the mail a few days ago and decided to try them on this 20yr old Filipina I've have been doing for a while now. My first dislike was the packaging. Although nice enough to fit securely into your wallet without worrying about rupturing the condoms, the packaging caused problems when I reached for it and tried to get a condom out for use. I got so frustrated I had to turn on the lights just to open the damn pack.
The second problem with the packaging is that they package three condoms in one credit card sized container. They can't be separated into individual condoms. This is ok if your fucking the same girl over and over again. Not too cool though if your fucking more than one girl, because one of them will ultimately ask, "What happened to the other two condoms?"
The feel of the condom in your hand is exactly like that of plastic wrap you would place over food. Putting the first one on was a slight challenge specifically because of that feeling. However, there is a green label on the condom itself directing you on how to put it on. When you finally do have it on, your dick looks like it has a price tag on it because of the label.
I slapped some Liquid KY (it's already lubricated with a petrolatum USP which is oderless and tasteless) on the outside of this contraption and started to fuck away. I didn't notice this "Real feeling" the company Pasante was talking about. It felt like I had wrapped my dick in plastic wrap and was attempting to fuck my hott 20yr old. I didn't like the feeling much. My Ultra Thin Lifestyles with the pleasure tip, and a little liquid KY squirted inside before putting it on felt much more natural then this contraption.
I pulled the condom off and finished bareback. Later, when I was ready to go again, I put another Unique on and asked my 20yr old to give me a BJ...all for the sake of the experiment. I have to say, it felt pretty real. She liked it because it had no smell or taste like regular condoms. So I guess I'll be using them for CBJ during my next trip to the Philippines, while I'll still use the LifeStyles for actual penetration. Just my two cents. I'm interested to know if there are other super thin condoms that may be good to try.
Always on the Quest
Yella Man
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lorenzo
How, exactly, did you find this out? Is this information reliable? If so, I'm going to try them. This means that the Durex Avanti is more than 3 times thicker than the Pasante. So far the best condom I've used is the Trojan Supra, at least as far as feeling that you're doing it bareback; I'd like to know it's thickness, if you know. The Durex Avanti is a close second.
After reading your post. I went to the Pasante website, www.pasante.com. It appears that they can be ordered from the UK. I went to Undercover Condoms, my usual source, but they don't carry them.
Thanks for providing valuable information.
Lorenzo
Hi everyone,
Who can tall me how mach about LA CAFE girl for shirt time and for long time?
Thanks
Bill Buxton
02-23-07, 22:30
Hi everyone,
Who can tall me how mach about LA CAFE girl for shirt time and for long time?
ThanksPay what you want start at 1000-p and go up from there. Like I have said you might get it for 500-p who knows.
B.B.
Hi everyone,
Who can tall me how mach about LA CAFE girl for shirt time and for long time?
ThanksThere are two schools of thought about paying freelancers. One is to negotiate up front and the other to act like its a date and pay after. If you negotiate up front it will probably be 1000p to 1500p for either ST or LT [they don't make much of a distinction between the two]. If you pay after just give them 1000p and they will very seldom ask for more.
I know Gtot did not mean to ask a provocative question but that one is a doosie that may start a flame war as people have VERY different opinions on the matter. The one bit of advice I would give him or any Philippine newbie is to agree on everything IN ADVANCE.
I understand JBoy's point, and sometimes I will NEVER discuss money until time for her to go, but that is NOT adviseable for those unaccustomed to the Philippines. If you PROVE you really know the "going rate", you are MUCH less risk of being overcharged.
The safest bet of all for a newbie is the all inclusive price structure in Angeles. Nowhere in Manila has that system to my knowledge (as if they do it is almost a GUARANTEED ripoff!; like taxi fares, a fixed fare is NEVER less than a metered fare as drivers KNOW what the metered fare would be and are not going to take less).
Phantomtiger2
02-24-07, 01:49
If you pay after just give them 100p and they will very seldom ask for more.Giving them 100p and they will chase you for more. I think you meant to say 1000p.
Pete The Beat
02-24-07, 12:50
Hehehehehe - I can't help myself! Just love the LA Cafe and can't wait to get back there! What do you pay for ST or LT there? Like they say in the Phils - Up to you!!
Don't sweat it too much Gtogt! You will work out what it is worth to you pretty quick depending on how hot is the girl you meet - and you will meet plenty!
Just enjoy
Cheers
Pete
Thank everybody for everybody's answer.
I will come and is expected to go on March 23 this year in Manila to China.
But this is my first time to go to Manila.
It is gentle very well that I have.
So I think that does not understand very much in information on a lot of webpages If ask some dull-witted questions Excuse me.
I wonder what the price which side LA CAGE is it.
Short time.
For a long time.
Saboteurs that I do not want to act as the price.
Please inform me.
Range of the price of LA CAFE The materials on the network are in a mess.
Even someone says that one night may exceed 3000P.
In addition:
Do not know whether there is a friend of China.
Can answer my question in Chinese.
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Thank you very much.
Hope everybody has a crazy night.
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GoodTimes2
02-24-07, 19:17
I'm not sure where to post this question, so I will post it here and also on the Thai and Phils threads as well so I can get the maximum answers/viewpoints. I hope the moderator will allow this.
My scenario and question is this. .
I have not been to either Indonesia or Thailand (only to the Phils), but have read many threads on this and other message boards. From what I have read, Thailand seems the best all around place. The Thai women seem more fit (generally) and it appears they are more willing to do threesomes and other such episodes then their Filipina counterparts. The Filipinas seem to be generally less fit with small bellies and do not seem eager to engage in threesomes or any other out of the ordinary episode if you know what I mean. The Indonesian women's looks are not the most appealing to me and it appears mongering there might be a little more challenging then either the Phils or Thailand, but I have noticed in the trip reports and pictures that the the Indonesian women seem a lot wilder. I have seen more toys and threesomes in the Indonesia photo galleries then in any of the others. More anal and other such episodes in the Indonesia area.
The looks of the women is important to me, however, the willingness and general sexual energy of the women is most important.
So my question is, which destination offers the wildest and most sexually willing women?
I also have one more question on Indonesia. The pictures of the Jakarta women show unshaved women where as the Batam women seem shaved. What are the general differences in the women from Batam and Jakarta? What can I expect if I go to either location?
The main reason why I pose this question is I do not get to go on these trips often. When I do go, I spend valuable vacation time and more then a few grand of my cash. I don't want to waste any time and want to maximize my experience. Hopefully, I will receive some insightful information so I can make my decision.
Giving them 100p and they will chase you for more. I think you meant to say 1000p.
Yes, it was a typo. They would cut your titi off if you gave only 100p! :D
Girlfinder
02-25-07, 02:40
Thank everybody for everybody's answer.
..So I think that does not understand very much in information on a lot of webpages If ask some dull-witted questions Excuse me.I wonder what the price which side LA CAGE is it.
..
Yeas, might be a problem since much info.
Going rate at LA Cafe seems to be a hot girl LT 2000 peso and ST 1500 peso, more regular one slightly lower. This is 500-700 peso above level 2-3 year ago. If you agree LT, also agree what time she leaves in the morning. And pay after, not before. And make a report here, please!
I agreed LT and 8 hours for 2000 peso. She soon started talking about her little son home and bla bla and she left after only 3 hours. So I gave here only 1000 peso, which I felt was ok since she lied to me and could not stay LT.
I'm not sure where to post this question, so I will post it here and also on the Thai and Phils threads as well so I can get the maximum answers/viewpoints. I hope the moderator will allow this.
My scenario and question is this. .
I have not been to either Indonesia or Thailand (only to the Phils), but have read many threads on this and other message boards. From what I have read, Thailand seems the best all around place. The Thai women seem more fit (generally) and it appears they are more willing to do threesomes and other such episodes then their Filipina counterparts. The Filipinas seem to be generally less fit with small bellies and do not seem eager to engage in threesomes or any other out of the ordinary episode if you know what I mean. The Indonesian women's looks are not the most appealing to me and it appears mongering there might be a little more challenging then either the Phils or Thailand, but I have noticed in the trip reports and pictures that the the Indonesian women seem a lot wilder. I have seen more toys and threesomes in the Indonesia photo galleries then in any of the others. More anal and other such episodes in the Indonesia area.
The looks of the women is important to me, however, the willingness and general sexual energy of the women is most important.
So my question is, which destination offers the wildest and most sexually willing women?
I also have one more question on Indonesia. The pictures of the Jakarta women show unshaved women where as the Batam women seem shaved. What are the general differences in the women from Batam and Jakarta? What can I expect if I go to either location?
The main reason why I pose this question is I do not get to go on these trips often. When I do go, I spend valuable vacation time and more then a few grand of my cash. I don't want to waste any time and want to maximize my experience. Hopefully, I will receive some insightful information so I can make my decision.
I have lived in Thailand, been to indonesia and now dwell in phils, having experienced an appropriate amount of mongering et al from those women I suppose I have some sort of qualification to say this. Thai women are the ultimate SEX TOYS, if what you want is simply sexual adventure, diversity and willingness to engage in 3 somes, 3 holing or experimentation etc. Not just the prostitutes either. I suppose the key to this is the religion of the respective countries. Thai's are strick Bhuddists, a religion which acknowledges no "sin' but only karma for good deeds or bad. Sexual pleasure gratification is like eating when you are hungry, drinking when thristy, no big deal. Thai women do 'cheat' more often, our concept of cheating not theirs. So two things one is NEVER trust a Thai woman for anything other than sex, second: THAI WOMEN HAVE MUCH MORE INCIDENCE OF AIDES than do Phils or Indonesia or most other Asian countries, beware.
Indonesia I flat out don't like,back a few years ago I just missed the big "purges" by the extremist Muslim idiots in Yogyakarta when they burned bars and went after westerners for promoting "vice" etc. Every once in awhile they blow up a bar or throw a molotov cocktail in Jakarta as well, same shit. To some extent, this was their reason for blowing up Bali, ie westerners are turning their country into a ***** house. A WORD OF CAUTION AGAIN, one of these days they are going to do the same with Batam and a few other "resort" islands off Singapore where westerners and Singa's go to hump Indo girls. I found Indo girls so-so, some of them are hairy, depends what tribe they are from. I recall some pretty ones in Jakarta among mixed chinese, they do NOT compare to Thais sexually IMHO. You can find Indo girls in Singapore (Maids) and in Kuala Lumphur Malaysia, a much less hostile place than Indo.
As far a Filipinas go you can find different atttitudes among them, some will do 3 somes, 3 holing and other off the wall things. Sometimes they will experiment sexually. I've found that women from the Bukidnon region and other parts of Mindanao to be more sexually diverse. Once again not just prostitutes. ALSO I've found a lot of Filipinas to be hairy, which I dont like, kind of a joke here among expats but you see lots of lovely ladies and then look at their legs...aggghh she forgot the razor.
Good Luck
Spamhog
in this case, about Indonesian women whom I adore. They are BY FAR the most honest of the three, and scams are much less prevalent than in the PI & LOS. Way less foreign sex tourists too, meaning much less HIV and other STDs (PI being much lower than LOS but Indo being the lowest of all). Homosexuality is very rare so virtually zero katoeys/baklas either, so those who wish to avoid gender benders may prefer Indonesia for that reason.
Indonesian mongering is more challenging, as it is more subtle, but I vehemently disagree about the girls being any less attractive but taste is a personal thing.
Hobby Knob
02-26-07, 07:14
Hey Guys,
What would be the best resort in Boracay to stay. Not for mongering or to impress someone. Just want a first class place by the beach.
Well, if mongering is "more challenging", then that could explain SH's comments. But I have to agree with Surfer. Some of the photos I've seen at ISG Indonesia seem to indicate that very attractive women can be found.
And as for Thai women, what I miss most is finding adult women who naturally have little or no pubic hair. What a treasure!
X
in this case, about Indonesian women whom I adore. They are BY FAR the most honest of the three, and scams are much less prevalent than in the PI & LOS. Way less foreign sex tourists too, meaning much less HIV and other STDs (PI being much lower than LOS but Indo being the lowest of all). Homosexuality is very rare so virtually zero katoeys/baklas either, so those who wish to avoid gender benders may prefer Indonesia for that reason.
Indonesian mongering is more challenging, as it is more subtle, but I vehemently disagree about the girls being any less attractive but taste is a personal thing.
Giannibella
02-26-07, 23:27
Hey Guys,
What would be the best resort in Boracay to stay. Not for mongering or to impress someone. Just want a first class place by the beach.
Friday's is one of the best in Boracay, it's also the best for the beach. It's located to north of the beach, if I remember well it's the last one.
Hey Guys,
What would be the best resort in Boracay to stay. Not for mongering or to impress someone. Just want a first class place by the beach.
Check out Cocomangas if you like a short walk to the shooters bar and all its freelancers (which you can walk back to your room in 2 minutes). It gets a little noisy though. If you want something a little more traditional check out Red coconut hotel. Somebody also said good things about a place called "hey Joe" small rooms but god food.
All these places are across the street(100 meters) from the beach.
Good Luck
Spamhog
The good news is that there really does seem to be a very low incidence of AIDS in The Philippines and also a fairly low rate of other STDs.
This is despite the PI having all the ingredients for an AIDS explosion- low condom use, migrant workers coming home and bringing back diseases, low health care budget, etc.
The unusual situation is referred to as the Philippines Paradox and has got the experts at a loss to explain it. They tend to support the belief that the PI is just going through a lucky phase and that an epidemic could still happen.
The amazing thing to me is that during a mass screening in Angeles last year only five girls showed up positive for HIV. That to me just sounds TOO good to be true and makes me wonder whether the clinics are carrying out the tests properly.
The bad news is that if a girl has been found to be HIV positive then she is officially (by the clinic/hospital that diagnosed it) encouraged to carry on plying her trade and working as a prostitute, even though some/most of her clients will request not to use condoms! In Europe this would be illegal and she would probably end up in jail. In the Philippines she is advised to carry on working whilst being "encouraged" to use condoms!
Here is today’s New York Times report;
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9B0CEFDC123AF933A15757C0A9659C8B63&n=Top%2fNews%2fHealth%2fDiseases%2c%20Conditions%2c%20and%20Health%20Topics%2fAIDS
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The New York Times report I referred to in my previous post is actually 2003 and the mass screening in Angeles happened in 2002.
However, according to the latest United Nations report of December 2006 the number of reported HIV cases are still low.
Here is the section that deals with the Philippines:
In the Philippines, where HIV is being transmitted primarily during unprotected sex (National Epidemiology Center, 2006), national adult HIV prevalence remains well under 0.1% (UNAIDS, 2006).
About one third of HIV infections diagnosed since 1984 have been in returning overseas Filipino workers (mostly in seafarers and domestic workers) (National Epidemiology Center, 2006).
Efforts to screen and treat sex workers for sexually transmitted infections, along with other prevention efforts initiated since the early 1990s have possibly helped contain the spread of the virus during paid sex (Mateo et al., 2003). Less than 1% of sex workers are infected with HIV, according to successive sentinel surveillance rounds since 2002 (Department of Health Philippines, 2005).
HIV prevalence higher than 1% has not yet been detected among men who have sex with men, either (Department of Health, 2005). There is no guarantee this situation will continue.
Condom use is not the norm during paid sex (when surveyed in 2002, just 6% of sex workers said they used condoms with all their clients in the previous week) (MAP, 2005b), and the use of non-sterile injecting equipment among injecting drug users is a common practice in some areas (such as Cebu City) (Wi et al., 2002; Mateo et al., 2003; Department of Health Philippines, 2003). In such light, the apparent complacency among young Filipinos about the epidemic (three in five 14–20-year-olds believe they cannot contract HIV) gives cause for concern.
UNAIDS/WHO AIDS Epidemic Update: December 2006 .
http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/epi2006/default.asp
Bill Buxton
03-05-07, 00:40
Anyone here staying here longer than 6 months in the P. I. Will need to get an exit clearence fron the M. B. I. In manils. You can get the one page paperwork at local immigration and also bring two photos passport style with you also. The pics will have to be two inch by two inch color and also the charge is 500-p for the transaction at the office. this should be done two weeks before you flight home and you will be good to go. I am not sure if this is a requirement of all foreigners or just the U. S. I would say all staying over six months.
They also want thumb prints of each hand to have on file. The processing time is not more than 3-4 days in most cases.
B. B.
GoodTimes2
03-05-07, 23:49
Even though 1 in 100 seems like a rather low number, we all have to think about the number of women we have sex with when we do get there.
When I go, I have sex with as many ladies as I can in the time I have. One time I had sex with over 25 women in a 10 day period. The more women you have sex with the more the odds increase...
The New York Times report I referred to in my previous post is actually 2003 and the mass screening in Angeles happened in 2002.
However, according to the latest United Nations report of December 2006 the number of reported HIV cases are still low.
Here is the section that deals with the Philippines:
http://www.unaids.org/en/HIV_data/epi2006/default.asp
Bill Buxton
03-09-07, 22:24
I had another guy ask where he could cash in travelers checks here.I for one had no idea and told him to try other banks and a local moneychanger. I am well aware that most or all hotels and other places here do not want them and they are considered almost worthless.
CASH IS KING, and debit and credit cards number two and three on the best leagal tender list here.Do any other members here have any experence with t-checks.I know this has been asked before but who wants to see a guy on vacation not having access to his money.
B.B.
Travelers Cheques (SM MEGA MALL TAKE AMERICAN EXPRESS)
If you’re planning on taking Travel Cheques to Manila, make sure they are American Express.
If you take Visa Travel Cheques your holiday will be ruined!
I had 2 weeks of stress and grief with Visa Travel Cheques I even swapped banks because of them.
If your unlucky and have Visa Travel Cheques I think there are only 2 places in the whole of Manila which take them, so check out the website of the Visa Travel Cheques!
Take your American Express travel Cheques to Sm Mega Mall, use the MRT, or ride a Taxi. Once inside Sm Mega Mall go to the Top floor, there is a travel agency who take them, near Globe Cell Phone Shop!
Tip!!!!! Only ride in MGE Taxi’s for your safety and insurance. They are marked with a Big Green Stripe! Also the Yellow Striped Taxi’s but I forgot the company name.
Travelers Cheques. (SM MEGA MALL TAKE AMERICAN EXPRESS)
If you’re planning on taking Travel Cheques to Manila, make sure they are American Express.
If you take Visa Travel Cheques your holiday will be ruined!
I had 2 weeks of stress and grief with Visa Travel Cheques I even swapped banks because of them.
If your unlucky and have Visa Travel Cheques I think there are only 2 places in the whole of Manila which take them, so check out the website of the Visa Travel Cheques!
Take your American Express travel Cheques to Sm Mega Mall, use the MRT, or ride a Taxi. Once inside Sm Mega Mall go to the Top floor, there is a travel agency who take them, near Globe Cell Phone Shop!
Tip!!!!! Only ride in MGE Taxi’s for your safety and insurance. They are marked with a Big Green Stripe! Also the Yellow Striped Taxi’s but I forgot the company name.
dangers & safety advice philippines
i have been to the philippines 5 times. i am 21 years old.
i would like to share my knowledge with u.
whenever i went out i would carry money in 3 different places on my body, i prepared my wallet every day as though it was going to be stolen. keep your debit card in a separate pocket. not in your wallet.
my second visit to manila i had a knife pulled on me, broad daylight! loads of people around me! it happens so quickly, you have to make your choice, do you give? or do you fight?
giving money to the poor
never! never! never! give money to the poor it’s illegal! and you put yourself in big danger! you also put other tourists in danger! don’t be small minded, think about the bigger picture, its hard yes, but its bad news. you get your wallet out to give some money and you’re asking for trouble, you also show that tourists are rich and have money on them. bad news!
tips
giving tips can get you killed, sounds crazy but it’s true, you give a taxi man a big tip say p500 he might tell his friend who is a gangster ‘hey this white guy gave me p500 i think he’s rich and he’s staying at this address’ you could get kidnapped! extreme example but it can happen!
maximum tip you should give is 25php – 50php maximum 100php!
i am a member of a gun range in the philippines, because these stupid americans would keep giving tips, they now have a foreigners price which is 20php a bullet! when the filipino pays 3php a bullet!
your not mr. big man giving out tips, stop it.
scams
a few scams. .
• you leave your friend jerwyn to do some shopping on your own, a person comes up to you and says "hello,, john, your friend jerwyn told me he wants you to buy this picture for him" how does he know your name? how does he know your friends name? because he has been following you!
• you exchange your money on the street, they count it out, your happy, you walk away, you count your money, there’s money missing! magic!
pick-pockets
the world’s best pickpockets live in manila, i stayed with a filipino who makes a minimum of 3000php a day by targeting mobile phones, and he cuts peoples pockets with a razor! he targets the mrt day and night.
girls hanging around near hotels
don’t pick up girls directly outside your hotel, you will take them to your room, they will cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), the police will come, you will have a case put against you, will take 4 months to process, you need to get home for work, so you pay $4000 to have the case dropped. another reason to wear condoms.
boats
pirates are active in the southern islands, and over crowed boats in the peak season can make it dangerous.
kidnappers
10 years ago there were about 40 active groups, now only 3, they target rich chinese business man. there operations are planned.
they can target foreigners because they want to blackmail there government for money.
change your routine frequently, the risk is very low, but if you flash the cash you’re asking for trouble.
check your receipts
don’t be surprised to find the odd extra item placed on your bill.
taxis
stick with mge, your insured, there a big company; they have a green stripe down the side with mge in big black letters.
can anyone eles add to this?
editor's note: i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please click here (http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?) for more information.
perhaps this seems useful to those who have never been to to the pi, but i find much of it utter nonsense. i've been there way more than 25 times and am way older than 21 (lol!) yet never got held up at knifepoint, pickpocketed or otherwise scammed. use big city common sense, of course, and odds are you will be fine. yes the lrt is famous for pickpockets but what foreigner takes the lrt anyway?
he says it is "illegal" to give money to the poor; please cite the statute (as this is pure bollocks as they say in england). most times your wallet should be locked in your hotel safe anyway, and having coins and small notes in a pocket with no wad of 1000piso notes is a good idea. of course you never flash loads of cash (but that obvious piece of common sense hardly justifies report of distinction treatment imho!)
travelers checks are way less convenient than an atm card or cash.
as for his aversion to tipping, he can go f himself as i will tip whomever i want and if he does not like it too bad. that said, i would not tip a taxi 500piso but this mantra of "you tippers are ruining it for us koriput [cheapskates]" gets so old.
i hate guns, but i have half a mind to gun find his gun range and give bigger tips (so next time they charge foreigners 100 piso per bullet lol!)
the prevalence of guns is one of the biggest problems facing the pi (along with overpopulation for which the church is largely to blame, but i digress).
girls hanging outside hotels will accuse you of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? never had a problem but of course it is possible. but bar girls, streetwalkers from away from your hotel and la cafe indies will never make such accusations? give me a break.
while taking blue bird taxis in jakarta makes sense as they are both reliable and prevalent, i have never seen this taxi company the guy is shilling for. there is no equivalent of blue bird group in manila.
as anybody who has ever been in manila knows, getting a driver to accept the meter without negotiation can be a challenge at times, but i have flagged taxis off the street thousands of times and the worst that happened was he whined about traffic and wanted a few extra piso at the end. while there may be isolated anecdotes of robbery by taxi drivers, like anywhere, this is not a persistent problem for foreigners imho.
yes kidnappers have targeted chinese businessman but that has nothing to do with foreigner sex tourists. ditto pirate boats in the sulu sea. i bet dollars to donuts this guy has never been outside luzon (where there are no "pirates"
)
Ok, Just thought it would help someone.
I also get a kick out of what gets recommended for distinction.
The EDSA LRT can actually be worth considering if you're staying at Dusit, Intercontinental or one of the nearby places at Glorietta and you want to go to EDSA Entertainment complex. The station is right there at Glorietta between those two hotels. You can take it to the end of the line and then it's a shortish walk to the girlie bars. It could be a good idea if the traffic is gummed up along EDSA, which it often is in the early evening or weekend nights. Of course you could be jammed on the train Tokyo style so it's not for everybody. You can also take it the other way to SM Megamall, if Glorietta/Greenbelt wasn't already enough malling for you.
I used travelers checks in my first few visits to the Philippines in the early 90s. It wasn't unusual to take close to an hour while they fussed, called superiors and looked at the checks and the receipts every which way. And the rates are also bad.
The way to go now is to bring cards and a few hundred dollars contingency cash.
I've never had any problem with violence in my 25 or so trips. I've had money stolen from my room once. And there was one attempted pickpocketing by an old man-little girl team. That's the extent of my law and order troubles in the Philippines in 15 months or so in country.
Taxis: Mostly they're a Manila problem. I rarely have issues in other cities. Insist on the meter or grab another one. Get to know the approximate fares for certain distances. Then give him the fare, get out and shut the door whether he's bitching or not. In nicer hotels you'll have to go outside to get a meter taxi to avoid the overpriced hotel limos.
Bill Buxton
03-12-07, 19:26
Asheron,
Although I do amd have seen some of what is said here the facts seem jaded in most of what is said here.The illegal part on giving cash is not what I have found to be true.You can give what, and whatever, you like to anyone, its your choice.
The tip part could be people tip out of working on a budget, and some never tip so to each his owne.Others spoiling things for others, I think not.I never knew that some countries are not required to tip, its a social thing so thats why some dont fall in line with this when they visit other places.
Taxi rides yes they try and scamm but they all do it, so knowing this just be ready for the deal at hand.
Always count your cash at the window.Who would ever take cash even from your mom without counting it first.I would say that this is a general rule we all have learned from childhood and common sense.
Knifepoint well somepeople have bad days I guess, and I have heard and never seen this and yes I am sure it can happen.
I think the person reporting has a thing for the U.S. because he uses the refrence in some of his post.I think there are more people from other places here in the P.I. other than americans.And I would like to say that most here are not BIG TIME CHARLIES there people spending there money the way they want, where they want.Most of the working guys her are just that, working blue collar guys.The others are retired guys spending there retirement here.They live on a fixed budget and do what they can with what they have to work with.
I myself at the age of 21 would have never had the cash to come here on a vacation so this person is very lucky in my opinion.He is also lucky he was able to escape with his hide in the knife wealding city of manils right.Could be hewould have been safer walking the family dog at home.
Most of what is in the quote is COMMON SENSE no more no less in any metropolitan city anywhere on this planet.You go and take precautions when you travel an unknown place.You use what you have in your head and what mommy and daddy taught you as a child.You never flash and act like a bigshot thats just how it is.Lowprofile is much better even at home.I am sure at 21 and having the ability to travel the world I also would have looked at the business end of aknife or two because of my age and ability to act that age.Could be this was a good experence for a young guy thinking trrough 21 year old glasses.Could be next trip over he will have a wonderful quiet vacation here or in another place of his choice.
This is just my observation and noy ment to disrespect the person writing the original report.Nice to see people of all ages having some woorld wide travel under there belt.
B.B...
I have good experience in BKK and other cities in Thailand and in some Eastern Europe countries too (I have posted not too much reports BUT if you need some information please post me).
I travel often to Thailand and now planning a visit to Philippines, probably Manila or Angeles City and have no experience in this country. However, I have read some reports (positive and negative) but just want to try if the quality, services and prices are attractive too for mongering, hotels or shopping.
Probably I will fly from BKK to Manila. I have no idea about distances from Manila to Angeles City (Km and hours for bus, taxi, train, bus or flight?)
How is the action in both cities? Manila and Angeles City? Can I compare them with BKK and Pattaya?
Are these danger cities in matters like criminality? Food quality and girl services or any further recommendation would be much appreciate. Thanks
do not let talk of pirates, laws against giving money to the poor, accusations of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and the like deter you from visiting the pi. use common sense and you are as safe there as most anywhere else (is anywhere completely "safe"?).
angeles is 2 to 3 hours from manila, depending on traffic, but you can fly direct to angeles (crk) on a few carriers. tiger is probably best, but you need to change planes in singapore. cebu pacific flies bkk to mnl but in the middle of the night and their customer service is the worst you will ever encounter (although the planes are quite new). thai air is best but pricey (if you have luthansa or united miles use 20,000 for an award on thai).
angeles is the equivalent of pattaya in some respects (i.e it is sin city with little other industry), but for pure debauchery pattaya is better imho (though i admit not having been back to angeles in almost 10 years). manila is much better than bkk for nonpros imho. as a whole, nonpro action is much more available in pi than los.
but the best thing about the pi is that you can score in most any town because most people speak english (unlike rural areas of thailand). the best thing about the pi is that 99% of the people think foreigners are better than filipinos, whereas 99% of thais think foreigners are inferior to thais.
the infrastructure is better in thailand and patience is a necessity in the pi (get used to incompetence that will make your head spin!). but at the end of the day, it is the warmth of the girls that outshine their mercenary thai sisters and make visiting the pi so much more fun than thailand.
do not let talk of pirates, laws against giving money to the poor, accusations of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and the like deter you from visiting the pi. use common sense and you are as safe there as most anywhere else (is anywhere completely "safe"?).
angeles is 2 to 3 hours from manila, depending on traffic, but you can fly direct to angeles (crk) on a few carriers. tiger is probably best, but you need to change planes in singapore. cebu pacific flies bkk to mnl but in the middle of the night and their customer service is the worst you will ever encounter (although the planes are quite new). thai air is best but pricey (if you have luthansa or united miles use 20,000 for an award on thai).
angeles is the equivalent of pattaya in some respects (i.e it is sin city with little other industry), but for pure debauchery pattaya is better imho (though i admit not having been back to angeles in almost 10 years). manila is much better than bkk for nonpros imho. as a whole, nonpro action is much more available in pi than los.
but the best thing about the pi is that you can score in most any town because most people speak english (unlike rural areas of thailand). the best thing about the pi is that 99% of the people think foreigners are better than filipinos, whereas 99% of thais think foreigners are inferior to thais.
the infrastructure is better in thailand and patience is a necessity in the pi (get used to incompetence that will make your head spin!). but at the end of the day, it is the warmth of the girls that outshine their mercenary thai sisters and make visiting the pi so much more fun than thailand.surfer,
thanks a lot for your kind response and valuable information.
i guess that manila would be my choice however, if you have information about the current prices would be nice. i use to pay thb 2000-3000 usd 60-90 for long time in bkk. difficult to qualify the girls according to the standards in this forum, i can only say that i am mostly happy and satisfied with the whole service (mostly with condom, but good oral and massage and seldom willing anal sex in bkk)... are the rates and service in manila similar?
and what about hotels like majestic suites in bkk? any updated experience regarding prices for the pros and non pros and hotels and places of action in manila (like soi nana or soi cow boy)?
thank you again and if you need information regarding bkk please let me know too
Pricing is a controversial topic as YMMV, so I will give you RANGES (and your post talks ST rates so I assume that is you preference):
1. BKK has nothing like LA Cafe where you can get freelancers for ST as low as 500, more likely 1000, and never more than 1500. No bar fine.
2. EDSA Complex: Barfine=1,000 Piso and for ST between 1K & 2K tip to girl.
3. Makati/PBurgos: have not been up there in almost as long that I have not been back to Angeles, but generally 50% higher than EDSA if not more.
4. Internet: join either Cherryblossoms or Filipinaheart for a month BEFORE you go, then line up girls than run the gamut from HCH (hard Core Hos) to virgins seeking a husband to EVERYTHING in between. You can do Yahoo messenger for free BUT WAY more scams and less lucrative (this is secondhand though as I have never done it as I do SO well on the other two).
5. Shopping malls: freelancers abound.
6. Get AWAY from tourist areas and you'll see TONS of possibilities. Get hooked up with a good local procurer and you'll have more than you can handle.
I agree with Surfer.
Reading some posts on PI (and other foreign lands) is enough to put one off from going there.
I’ve only been to the PI once, for 3 weeks, but I walked around by myself at all hours of the night and morning in Manila (especially Ermita), Cebu and Davao, spoke to anyone who spoke to me, girls or guys went to local places where I was the only foreigner and never felt the hint of trouble or animosity (except twice with two other foreigners, but that’s a different issue).
I found the place very friendly and safe and fun. The guys there are very easy going- more than I would be in their place. The tiny little scams they sometimes try (like taxi meters, etc.) are absolutely nothing. I can’t believe anyone could really make an issue out of it. Maybe these complainers never go out in their own cities or maybe they live a paradise somewhere.
I’ve also been to India, Indonesia, Thailand, Singapore and worked in Bangladesh. In all these places, except for a few of minor instances that were quickly diffused, I’ve never had any real problems. Being the adventurous type, I’ve always done things that some people might consider dangerous and sought out areas and venues where I was the only foreigner.
I nearly always give something to the poor or people who ask me (unless they come across as aggressive), I talk to street people and usually leave tips (unless the service/attitude was crap).
Obviously, sometimes things will happen. But this is regardless of where in the world you are in and is rare.
What I do find is that it’s easy to get into an argument with other foreign guys. Some guys seem to go to Asia and suddenly think they are the BIG guy. I can’t believe they act like that at home because that sort of behaviour would get them a smack (at least in the UK).
But then again, I find it’s much easier (and quicker) to get into arguments/fights in the UK then in Asia.
Dashing Don
03-13-07, 01:51
perhaps this seems useful to those who have never been to to the pi, but i find much of it utter nonsense. i've been there way more than 25 times and am way older than 21 (lol!) yet never got held up at knifepoint, pickpocketed or otherwise scammed. use big city common sense, of course, and odds are you will be fine. yes the lrt is famous for pickpockets but what foreigner takes the lrt anyway?
he says it is "illegal" to give money to the poor; please cite the statute (as this is pure bollocks as they say in england). most times your wallet should be locked in your hotel safe anyway, and having coins and small notes in a pocket with no wad of 1000piso notes is a good idea. of course you never flash loads of cash (but that obvious piece of common sense hardly justifies report of distinction treatment imho!)
travelers checks are way less convenient than an atm card or cash.
as for his aversion to tipping, he can go f himself as i will tip whomever i want and if he does not like it too bad. that said, i would not tip a taxi 500piso but this mantra of "you tippers are ruining it for us koriput [cheapskates]" gets so old.
i hate guns, but i have half a mind to gun find his gun range and give bigger tips (so next time they charge foreigners 100 piso per bullet lol!)
the prevalence of guns is one of the biggest problems facing the pi (along with overpopulation for which the church is largely to blame, but i digress).
girls hanging outside hotels will accuse you of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? never had a problem but of course it is possible. but bar girls, streetwalkers from away from your hotel and la cafe indies will never make such accusations? give me a break.
while taking blue bird taxis in jakarta makes sense as they are both reliable and prevalent, i have never seen this taxi company the guy is shilling for. there is no equivalent of blue bird group in manila.
as anybody who has ever been in manila knows, getting a driver to accept the meter without negotiation can be a challenge at times, but i have flagged taxis off the street thousands of times and the worst that happened was he whined about traffic and wanted a few extra piso at the end. while there may be isolated anecdotes of robbery by taxi drivers, like anywhere, this is not a persistent problem for foreigners imho.
yes kidnappers have targeted chinese businessman but that has nothing to do with foreigner sex tourists. ditto pirate boats in the sulu sea. i bet dollars to donuts this guy has never been outside luzon (where there are no "pirates")i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread.
Fastpiston
03-13-07, 07:27
perhaps this seems useful to those who have never been to to the pi, but i find much of it utter nonsense. i've been there way more than 25 times and am way older than 21 (lol!) yet never got held up at knifepoint, pickpocketed or otherwise scammed. use big city common sense, of course, and odds are you will be fine. yes the lrt is famous for pickpockets but what foreigner takes the lrt anyway?
he says it is "illegal" to give money to the poor; please cite the statute (as this is pure bollocks as they say in england). most times your wallet should be locked in your hotel safe anyway, and having coins and small notes in a pocket with no wad of 1000piso notes is a good idea. of course you never flash loads of cash (but that obvious piece of common sense hardly justifies report of distinction treatment imho!)
travelers checks are way less convenient than an atm card or cash.
as for his aversion to tipping, he can go f himself as i will tip whomever i want and if he does not like it too bad. that said, i would not tip a taxi 500piso but this mantra of "you tippers are ruining it for us koriput [cheapskates]" gets so old.
i hate guns, but i have half a mind to gun find his gun range and give bigger tips (so next time they charge foreigners 100 piso per bullet lol!)
the prevalence of guns is one of the biggest problems facing the pi (along with overpopulation for which the church is largely to blame, but i digress).
girls hanging outside hotels will accuse you of [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)? never had a problem but of course it is possible. but bar girls, streetwalkers from away from your hotel and la cafe indies will never make such accusations? give me a break.
while taking blue bird taxis in jakarta makes sense as they are both reliable and prevalent, i have never seen this taxi company the guy is shilling for. there is no equivalent of blue bird group in manila.
as anybody who has ever been in manila knows, getting a driver to accept the meter without negotiation can be a challenge at times, but i have flagged taxis off the street thousands of times and the worst that happened was he whined about traffic and wanted a few extra piso at the end. while there may be isolated anecdotes of robbery by taxi drivers, like anywhere, this is not a persistent problem for foreigners imho.
yes kidnappers have targeted chinese businessman but that has nothing to do with foreigner sex tourists. ditto pirate boats in the sulu sea. i bet dollars to donuts this guy has never been outside luzon (where there are no "pirates"
)
best check the us and uk embassy travel advisories first, then look at some of the old hands experts on this board. the embassies are heavily involved in the real problems and update their advisories carefully and regularly.
most filipinos will be the first to warn foreigners of the safety record as they themselves have to put up with 'incidents'. hold-ups in buses, jeepneys, banks, hotels, murders are common. drugs are the cause of most problems, or just sheer poverty. if one is still unconvinced on the need for great care, check out the philippine tv, example the tv patrol program. be especially careful during election time as police are detailed off regular duty to protect candidates, leaving the door open for general crime opportunists.
The EDSA LRT can actually be worth considering if you're staying at Dusit, Intercontinental or one of the nearby places at Glorietta and you want to go to EDSA Entertainment complex. The station is right there at Glorietta between those two hotels. You can take it to the end of the line and then it's a shortish walk to the girlie bars. It could be a good idea if the traffic is gummed up along EDSA, which it often is in the early evening or weekend nights. Of course you could be jammed on the train Tokyo style so it's not for everybody. You can also take it the other way to SM Megamall, if Glorietta/Greenbelt wasn't already enough malling for you.
I've ridden the LRT and MRT a few times. More out of a sense of adventure than anything else, but I don't plan on riding again. Two things about it: It's dang cheap, I mean really dirt cheap. And I never saw another kano there. Good reason for that, as Makhu says, it's almost always crowded Tokyo style. One day, it took me 3 trains before I could shove my way on board, Tokyo style. When it's that crowded, you really have to watch the pickpockets. I denied them at least twice. Never saw their faces, just slapped their hands away when I detected them getting too close. So I stick to taxis when traveling about by myself, but I may use a jeepney for short rides if I'm with a local.
Hi, I am currently in Korea and I'm trying to find out the price range to fly one way from Manila to San Francisco if I purchased my ticket in the PI. If anyone can recommend me a travel agency in Angeles or Manila for this purpose, that would be helpful as well. Thanks.
Hold-ups in buses, jeepneys, banks, hotels, murders are common. Drugs are the cause of most problems, or just sheer poverty. If one is still unconvinced on the need for great care, check out the Philippine TV
Last nite TV showed pictures from a crime scene where 2 snatchers had been killed by the police in QC. Good. At least the filipinos have the good taste to kill off these lowlifes. Recurrent targeted campaigns against holdappers often produce similarly positive results.
In so many meek western countries (esp in W. Europe) the criminals are treated with soft gloves, getting cable TV in their cells and what not.
gentlemen there are many things in asheron's post that i agree with one hundred percent. he is correct concerning manila being the razor artist capitol of the world, they are noted for this and usually get vicitms who sit on the curb side of a jeepney it takes them a few seconds to slit a rear pocket and collect a wallet, if anyone is foolish enough to carry his wallet there, same with the cell phone snatchers and chain grabbers, they mainly target women and smaller kids. and he is correct about the beggars, many cities have enacted ordinance against this due primarily to the fact that most organized beggars use children (they train them and "rent' them out for the day in different parts of the city.) the reason is the u.n. made a big stink over this. i know for a fact that in davao, mr. dirty harry himself told beggars he would arrest any of them he saw using children and he ordered people not to give them money. however i have never heard of any one getting arrested for giving them money. in cebu they tried to clean them up, for the asean summit, the ones who stop traffic and ask for money, once the summit was over they came back, every once in awhile i see the citcom guys run them off.
as far as ho's shouting [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123), this is an old scam, it is done a lot by the lower class ones who are ****, sometimes they are in cahoots with the cops, i also know that in vietnam this is a big time con, more so than the pi.
the post illustrates a few things i've been harping on for some time, the first is that manila is much more dangerous per se to foreigners than anywhere else in the phils. the second is that it depends where you go and who you run with being more of a determining factor regarding your being a vicitim of a crime, that goes for the pi, thailand, jakarta, los angles nyc or wash d.c., any country. it sounds like asheron was running with a frisky crowd, i also wonder if any of this took place in tondo, probably the highest crime rate in the pi, controlled by armed gangs sort of like compton in la.
as far as piracy he is right, sailing your yacht in the sulu sea is a good way to find how many pirates operate there. back about three years ago the imo weekly piracy report named the sulu and north celebes sea as the third most incidence of piracy, the straits of malacca the first and west coast of africa second. pirates in that region were targeting the tuna fleets out of gen santos, putting armed guards on the boats seems to have lessened the problem. the sulu is also home to the abu sayeff, who once operated with impunity there, they also kidnapped several foreigners from malaysia, an italian priest in marawi and the celebrated los palmas raid which captured two american missionaries and a guy with his fiance. (oddly enough these foreigners were not the target but rather a chinese businessman was). once again gentlemen pinoy kfr gangs target chinese businessmen, primarily because they pay, at present, the talk among the bad guys is that if you kidnap a foreigner, you can expect guys in dark jump suits and mp 5's to come knocking on your door.
outside of those incidents, i know of two, count 'em two cases in the last six years in which a foreigner was kidnapped in mindanao, one canadian was set up by his wife as he met with his hooker gf for an all night tryst in a digos beach front hotel, she had some toughs carry him off to teach him a lesson,(remember that one guys, never [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off a filipina wife too much) they got raided two days later and shot full of holes by police commandos. the other was some idiot korean guy who went into milf territory with a suitcase full of money to buy "yamashita treasure". not real smart. i could go on about foreigners being robbed, beat up or being vicitms of crime and in each case they were doing something illegal, being stupid or being in a place they shouldn't have been.
i defy anyone, the u.s. embassy included to produce statisical or factual accounts where foreigners were kidnapped on a such a scale as to warrant
some of the mass hysteria over the matter.
anyhow, every once in awhile we need to be aware of such things, what can really happen and does, who it happens to and what they were doing at the time it happened, if you research it, get the facts and not give in to hysteria and listen to paranoid, easily frightened filipinos you will see what i'm talking about.
use common sense, dont get too drunk and if you do dont be a tough guy get back to your room (alone) and sleep it off.
regards
spamhog
thanks for flushing out the details. SO true what you said about Manila being the most dangerous place in the PI for foreigners, despite their PERCEPTION that Mindanao is where the real risks lie. Also not surprising that most foreigners who got themselves into trouble with criminals were doing something they shouldn't have been or otherwise showed poor judgment.
Re the begging thing, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the syndicates that use children are mostly in Manila, Cebu and Angeles (where the foreigners are as Filipinos tend not to be overly generous with beggars). Re an ordinance banning GIVING (as opposed to begging), that is both constitutionally unsound (not that that stops them in the PI as Mayor Lim proved time and again) and of VERY dubious morality. I do not give to the kids or mothers holding babies, but I do give to amputees or others with obvious physical deformities or disabilities. Believing in the principle of ethical egoism (everything we do is really for ourselves despite any appearance of philanthropy), I confess to feeling better about my own privileged station in life when I do this. I will SEEK OUT the disabled, rather than responding to those who approach me, and give them a pocketfull of coins. If anybody, including Mayor Duterte or Asheron, is bothered by that charity too bad because I know I have the angels on my side.
Fastpiston
03-13-07, 17:15
thanks for flushing out the details. SO true what you said about Manila being the most dangerous place in the PI for foreigners, despite their PERCEPTION that Mindanao is where the real risks lie. Also not surprising that most foreigners who got themselves into trouble with criminals were doing something they shouldn't have been or otherwise showed poor judgment.
Re the begging thing, correct me if I'm wrong but I think the syndicates that use children are mostly in Manila, Cebu and Angeles (where the foreigners are as Filipinos tend not to be overly generous with beggars). Re an ordinance banning GIVING (as opposed to begging), that is both constitutionally unsound (not that that stops them in the PI as Mayor Lim proved time and again) and of VERY dubious morality. I do not give to the kids or mothers holding babies, but I do give to amputees or others with obvious physical deformities or disabilities. Believing in the principle of ethical egoism (everything we do is really for ourselves despite any appearance of philanthropy), I confess to feeling better about my own privileged station in life when I do this. I will SEEK OUT the disabled, rather than responding to those who approach me, and give them a pocketfull of coins. If anybody, including Mayor Duterte or Asheron, is bothered by that charity too bad because I know I have the angels on my side.
You have a good heart. Please do not go to India where you will really feel bad, where kids are actually maimed purposely to become beggars. Very Very Sick, but true. I truly do not think that happens in the Philippines.
never been to india, and never felt any great urge to go frankly. i would doubt intentional maiming to increase donations would occur in the pi (but anything is possible).
cambodia was plenty depressing. the killing fields and kr torture center tuol sleng were bad, but the worst was climbing the stairs of wat phnom and seeing a different malady or amputee. cambodia's land mine problem has created the largest proportion of amputees in the world. truly like peering into the gates of hell it was.
if india is even worse, that would tax my capacity for seeing people suffer.
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