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Not sure what to make of this except glad I don't live in Cebu.
WestCoast1
06-18-21, 13:18
No mistake on which is a mask or shield. Just observations from Luzon.I must make a correction. I took a 10 minute walk in the late morning, and another in the late afternoon. The number of shields out there, whether perched on top of heads, worn correctly, or being carried in someone's hand was at most 20% (less, really). On the afternoon walk I was only one of a handful that had one (I was going to meet a hussy for coffee, the shop refuses anyone without both mask and shield).
Also, regarding the mask. I saw folks who weren't wearing one. Perhaps I just hadn't noticed before. The people who didn't have a mask were working sari's, carindarias, moveable fruit stands, stalls, or other employees who were ferrying products from a delivery truck into a business. Those walking on the street, customers in the mall, and employees in the mall all were wearing their mask. At the resto where I ate breakfast this morning (and eat several times a week), I noticed no employees were wearing a mask. In fact I don't recall them wearing a mask for some time (interesting, how you miss something right in front of you). Should the people who handle food be required to wear a mask? They do at fast food joints, and they separate themselves from you with plexiglass -- who's afraid of who?
I must make a correction. I took a 10 minute walk in the late morning, and another in the late afternoon. The number of shields out there, whether perched on top of heads, worn correctly, or being carried in someone's hand was at most 20% (less, really). On the afternoon walk I was only one of a handful that had one (I was going to meet a hussy for coffee, the shop refuses anyone without both mask and shield).
Also, regarding the mask. I saw folks who weren't wearing one. Perhaps I just hadn't noticed before. The people who didn't have a mask were working sari's, carindarias, moveable fruit stands, stalls, or other employees who were ferrying products from a delivery truck into a business. Those walking on the street, customers in the mall, and employees in the mall all were wearing their mask. At the resto where I ate breakfast this morning (and eat several times a week), I noticed no employees were wearing a mask. In fact I don't recall them wearing a mask for some time (interesting, how you miss something right in front of you). Should the people who handle food be required to wear a mask? They do at fast food joints, and they separate themselves from you with plexiglass -- who's afraid of who?I think the Filipinos are becoming just as tired of the BS as everyone else is. Many places still require a face shield to enter. I keep 2 in my car just in case, the big stores require them but then again once inside it depends on who is working. If you walk the back streets over half won't be wearing a mask and many that are have them pulled down. Back to the original point was being worried about having to wear a face shield in public which isn't or never really has been a problem (at least in my observations). 7,000 islands so I can only speak for Olongapo and Angeles City.
Interesting.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-signs-deal-40-mln-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-doses-report-2021-06-20/
"MANILA, June 20 (Reuters) - The Philippine government has signed a supply agreement for 40 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc (PFE. N) and BioNTech SE, (22 UAy. DE) in its biggest coronavirus vaccine deal to date.
Deliveries of the vaccine will begin in late September, Carlito Galvez, head of the government's COVID-19 vaccine procurement, said on Sunday. It "will significantly boost our national immunisation programme and will enable us to realise our goal of achieving herd immunity by year-end," he said."
GoodEnough
06-21-21, 13:04
Interesting.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/philippines-signs-deal-40-mln-pfizerbiontech-vaccine-doses-report-2021-06-20/
"MANILA, June 20 (Reuters) - The Philippine government has signed a supply agreement for 40 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine developed by Pfizer Inc (PFE. N) and BioNTech SE, (22 UAy. DE) in its biggest coronavirus vaccine deal to date.
Deliveries of the vaccine will begin in late September, Carlito Galvez, head of the government's COVID-19 vaccine procurement, said on Sunday. It "will significantly boost our national immunisation programme and will enable us to realise our goal of achieving herd immunity by year-end," he said."Even before this the supplies of Pfizer were increasing. I got my second dose about 2 weeks ago and my wife and 21 year old son got their first doses of Pfizer today. Davao appears to be doing a reasonably good job in getting this into people's arms as soon as it arrives in the city and there appears to be an increasing number of vaccination sites throughout the city, or at least around the most heavily populated areas.
GE.
WestCoast1
06-21-21, 21:30
Some Gen Info stuff.
First, a gent on the Board recently mentioned Ivermectin as a Covid treatment. Apparently a sitting US senator also mentioned it on youtube and had his account suspended.
Second, a few days ago Cebu Pacific sent me a standard email regarding changes to their rewards program. I opened it but didn't look carefully at the date at the time. The emails states that GetGo points must be redeemed by June 15,2021. Problem: The email was sent to me on the morning of June 17, two days later. Good job!
Locamotive
06-21-21, 21:33
Even before this the supplies of Pfizer were increasing. I got my second dose about 2 weeks ago and my wife and 21 year old son got their first doses of Pfizer today. Davao appears to be doing a reasonably good job in getting this into people's arms as soon as it arrives in the city and there appears to be an increasing number of vaccination sites throughout the city, or at least around the most heavily populated areas.
GE.That's improvement slow but improving. I have a question. According to the CDC. WHO and pretty much every news channel on TV the vaccine works. Get the vaccine and you cannot catch or spread it. Here in the US mask are just about gone except for very few places or while flying. Then why in Gods name if we are vaccinated can't we travel to Asia. I'm not a risk to anyone according to the experts. Can anyone answer this question?
WestCoast1
06-21-21, 21:44
A few more. From the DOH, showing 4 major vaccines as 100% effective. My question:
Is that possible? 100% protection from severe symptoms and death? Don't the vaccines themselves cause illness or even death in a small number of cases? Don't they all have different efficacy rates? Don't a small number of cases have major Covid symptoms or death after full vaxxing?
* It mentions clinical trials. Does the layman understand that? Do I understand that?
Caveat: I am not arguing against vaccinations, but I question that graphic.
FuriousGeorge
06-21-21, 22:57
Yep, these graphics are 100% legit. Although different vaccines have different success rates as far as infection, they essentially all have 100% efficacy rates as far as keeping the vaccinated person from getting seriously ill or dying. One of my best friends is an ER doctor at a major hospital, and has never seen anyone even get admitted for covid after getting vaccinated.
A few more. From the DOH, showing 4 major vaccines as 100% effective. My question:
Is that possible? 100% protection from severe symptoms and death? Don't the vaccines themselves cause illness or even death in a small number of cases? Don't they all have different efficacy rates? Don't a small number of cases have major Covid symptoms or death after full vaxxing?
* It mentions clinical trials. Does the layman understand that? Do I understand that?
Caveat: I am not arguing against vaccinations, but I question that graphic.
The emails states that GetGo points must be redeemed by June 15,2021. Problem: The email was sent to me on the morning of June 17, two days later. Good job!You just reminded me to check my Philippine Airlines Mabuhay Miles which were always promoted as "never expiring". Seems they will now expire 31 Jan 2022.
Member #4794
06-22-21, 00:59
You just reminded me to check my Philippine Airlines Mabuhay Miles which were always promoted as "never expiring". Seems they will now expire 31 Jan 2022.PAL is filing for bankruptcy I wonder if they will wipe out the miles during the debt restructuring. PAL is in deep financial trouble.
"PAL parent on 'final stages' of restructuring as loss mounts to P73 billion".
https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/06/17/2106168/pal-parent-final-stages-restructuring-loss-mounts-p73-billion
Member #4794
06-22-21, 01:37
Looks like face shields are here to stay. Dutarte walked back his comments on face shields. The Philippines always has to be unique doesn't it.
"Face shields still mandatory.
Duterte ends confusion, heeds experts' advice, cites Delta variant threat".
https://manilastandard.net/news/top-stories/357752/face-shields-still-mandatory.html
Locamotive
06-22-21, 06:19
Yep, these graphics are 100% legit. Although different vaccines have different success rates as far as infection, they essentially all have 100% efficacy rates as far as keeping the vaccinated person from getting seriously ill or dying. One of my best friends is an ER doctor at a major hospital, and has never seen anyone even get admitted for covid after getting vaccinated.Again. Then why are we stuck and can't go anywhere. It makes no sense. Don't get the vaccine and you can't go anywhere, get the vaccine and you can't go anywhere. Yeah that sounds reasonable.
WestCoast1
06-22-21, 12:57
That's improvement slow but improving. I have a question. According to the CDC. WHO and pretty much every news channel on TV the vaccine works. Get the vaccine and you cannot catch or spread it. Here in the US mask are just about gone except for very few places or while flying. Then why in Gods name if we are vaccinated can't we travel to Asia. I'm not a risk to anyone according to the experts. Can anyone answer this question?Just a quick search on "Can vaccinated Covid patients spread Covid?" turned up somewhat different information. The brunt of these articles is that some persons who are fully vaxxed contract it, and there's little way of knowing who they spread it to (as they may be asymptomatic, if at all). Uncertainty.
https://news.yahoo.com/people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-121339654.html
From the article:
"These bits of evidence are promising. But without more studies, scientists cannot yet conclude that COVID-19 vaccines really do protect against all transmission. Studies attempting to directly answer this question through contact tracing are just beginning: Researchers will track COVID-19 infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated volunteers and their close contacts.
SNIP
The recent outbreak of infections among the vaccinated New York Yankees shows that vaccinated people not only can still get infected, they might also transmit the coronavirus to close contacts. Highly tested groups, such as professional sports teams, spotlight the fact that mild, asymptomatic infections among the vaccinated in the general population might actually be more frequent than reported. A similar outbreak in airport workers in Singapore shows that, even among the fully vaccinated, new and more infectious variants can spread fast."
And from a search on "have Covid vaccinated persons died of Covid after vaccination". From the CDC website, an article on 'breakthrough' cases, where fully vaxxed people later acquired Covid, and were hospitalized or died (see pic).
Hence, to be conservative, countries might require inbound tourists to isolate and swab for a while when they open up. Not sure if that helps.
FuriousGeorge
06-22-21, 21:25
Well, you can go to Mexico. They don't seem to care down there. It's still incumbent on citizens to get vaccinated so the population achieves herd immunity and then all this nonsense ends. I do suspect that very soon countries will open up to those with proof of vaccination. The lack of tourism dollars is hurting them. Although I have no desire to go back to PH until everything is back to normal. Gogo bars, High Society (looks like it's now called Gold Bar), and all the rest of the fun stuff opening will draw me back. This will require the citizens to get vaccinated. And recent reports say that Duterte is damn serious about compelling the populace to do it, which I celebrate.
Again. Then why are we stuck and can't go anywhere. It makes no sense. Don't get the vaccine and you can't go anywhere, get the vaccine and you can't go anywhere. Yeah that sounds reasonable.
Geneva Guy
06-22-21, 23:56
Just a quick search on "Can vaccinated Covid patients spread Covid?" turned up somewhat different information. The brunt of these articles is that some persons who are fully vaxxed contract it, and there's little way of knowing who they spread it to (as they may be asymptomatic, if at all). Uncertainty.
https://news.yahoo.com/people-vaccinated-against-covid-19-121339654.html
From the article:
"These bits of evidence are promising. But without more studies, scientists cannot yet conclude that COVID-19 vaccines really do protect against all transmission. Studies attempting to directly answer this question through contact tracing are just beginning: Researchers will track COVID-19 infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated volunteers and their close contacts.
SNIP
The recent outbreak of infections among the vaccinated New York Yankees shows that vaccinated people not only can still get infected, they might also transmit the coronavirus to close contacts. Highly tested groups, such as professional sports teams, spotlight the fact that mild, asymptomatic infections among the vaccinated in the general population might actually be more frequent than reported. A similar outbreak in airport workers in Singapore shows that, even among the fully vaccinated, new and more infectious variants can spread fast."
And from a search on "have Covid vaccinated persons died of Covid after vaccination". From the CDC website, an article on 'breakthrough' cases, where fully vaxxed people later acquired Covid, and were hospitalized or died (see pic).
Hence, to be conservative, countries might require inbound tourists to isolate and swab for a while when they open up. Not sure if that helps.Couple of things important to remember:
-Some of the COVID cases came in people who either had gotten only their first Pfizer / moderna shot, before the second or less than 2 weeks after the second shot (you are not fully protected until 2 weeks after the second shot).
-3700 cases out of 150 million Americans vaccinated is infintesimal but of course nothing is 100%, that was clear in the clinical trials.
-Of the cases. We don't know if some of those people were immunosuppressed or not.
-Clearly the vaccine is working. The numbers dropping in the USA are fabulous. The state where I live is fully open and we are looking forward to horse racing season. The other countries where vaccination uptake is good translates to a reduction of COVID cases.
-Will COVID go away. Probably not. But will the pandemic end with vaccination. It appears so.
As for the NY yankees, all these guys that got COVID vaccine got the single dose J&J shot which clearly has been shown to be less effective than either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, although all 3 vaccines reduce hospitalization due to COVID and that's really important. Only one got symptoms. They need to be more concerned about playing good baseball cause to date, their season has been up and down.
GG.
GoodEnough
06-23-21, 05:40
Couple of things important to remember:
-Some of the COVID cases came in people who either had gotten only their first Pfizer / moderna shot, before the second or less than 2 weeks after the second shot (you are not fully protected until 2 weeks after the second shot).
-3700 cases out of 150 million Americans vaccinated is infintesimal but of course nothing is 100%, that was clear in the clinical trials.
-Of the cases. We don't know if some of those people were immunosuppressed or not.
-Clearly the vaccine is working. The numbers dropping in the USA are fabulous. The state where I live is fully open and we are looking forward to horse racing season. The other countries where vaccination uptake is good translates to a reduction of COVID cases.
-Will COVID go away. Probably not. But will the pandemic end with vaccination. It appears so.
As for the NY yankees, all these guys that got COVID vaccine got the single dose J&J shot which clearly has been shown to be less effective than either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, although all 3 vaccines reduce hospitalization due to COVID and that's really important. Only one got symptoms. They need to be more concerned about playing good baseball cause to date, their season has been up and down.
GG.Philippines Travel Advisory: Level 3: Reconsider travel, June 17,2021.
The US Government posted the following today:
Reconsider travel to the Philippines due to COVID-19. Additionally, exercise increased.
Caution due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, and kidnapping. Read the entire Travel.
Advisory.
Read? The Department of State'sCOVID-19 page? Before you plan any international travel.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued aLevel 3 Travel Health.
Noticefor the Philippines due to COVID-19, indicating a high level of COVID-19 in the.
Country. ? Your risk of contracting COVID-19 and developing severe symptoms may be lower.
If you are fully vaccinated with an FDA authorized vaccine. Before planning any international.
Travel, please review the CDC's specific recommendations.
For vaccinated and unvaccinated travelers.
There are restrictions in place affecting USA Citizen entry into the Philippines. Visit the.
Embassy'sCOVID-19 page for more information on COVID-19 and related restrictions and.
Conditions in the Philippines.
Do Not Travel to:
The Sulu Archipelago, including the southern Sulu Sea, due to crime, terrorism, civil.
Unrest, and kidnapping.
Marawi City in Mindanao due to terrorism and civil unrest.
Reconsider Travel to:
Other areas of Mindanao due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, and kidnapping.
Terrorist and armed groups continue plotting possible kidnappings, bombings, and other.
Attacks in the Philippines. Terrorist and armed groups may attack with little or no warning.
Targeting tourist locations, markets / shopping malls, and local government facilities. The.
Philippine government has declared a State of National Emergency on Account of Lawless.
Violence in Mindanao.
Philippines Travel Advisory: Level 3: Reconsider travel, June 17,2021.
The US Government posted the following today:
Reconsider travel to the Philippines due to COVID-19. Additionally, exercise increased.
Caution due to crime, terrorism, civil unrest, and kidnapping.'Rona deaths per million of population;.
UK: 1,876.
US: 1,856.
Philippines: 216.
Stats via https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/.
As for terrorism and terror attacks in the Philippines, non-existent in Cebu (I have been living in Cebu City for the last 2 years), AC and Manilla, maybe once or twice a year there is a terror attack on Mindanao by Islamic extremists and the victims are almost always local Filipinos. For the average foreigner, you stand more chance of being mugged in your home country than of being mugged in the Philippines. And more chance of dying in a car crash in your home country than of dying in a terror attack in the Philippines.
SpirouleGroom
06-24-21, 00:50
Couple of things important to remember:
-Some of the COVID cases came in people who either had gotten only their first Pfizer / moderna shot, before the second or less than 2 weeks after the second shot (you are not fully protected until 2 weeks after the second shot).
-3700 cases out of 150 million Americans vaccinated is infintesimal but of course nothing is 100%, that was clear in the clinical trials.
-Of the cases. We don't know if some of those people were immunosuppressed or not.
-Clearly the vaccine is working. The numbers dropping in the USA are fabulous. The state where I live is fully open and we are looking forward to horse racing season. The other countries where vaccination uptake is good translates to a reduction of COVID cases.Don't hold your breath.
WHO has just warned that the delta variant is surging in the US and Europe. This new variant is immune to all vaccines especially NRA ones. Worse, natural immunity doesn't seem to hold well against it.
At the IHU of Marseilles France, over 40% of the new Covid entries are double jabbed Pfizer. In the UK we get close to 30%.
Pharmaco vigilance reports over 15000 deaths in the EU mostly Pfizer and over 1.5 M side effects with over half of them dead serious. Those number are staggering. At this rate we will have 50.000 deaths from Pfizer in Europe by the end of the year. Not to mention long term effects with blood diseases, prion disease and so on.
This function gain virus from Wuhan lab is one motherfucker that offset its low fatality rate by an endless and fast growing mutation process. Indonesia and the UK have officially started massive ivermectin treatment. At this stage this is the only way to contain the virus worldwide. But I fear NRA vaccines have already triggered a vicious circle of variants.
Don't hold your breath.
WHO has just warned that the delta variant is surging in the US and Europe. This new variant is immune to all vaccines especially NRA ones. Worse, natural immunity doesn't seem to hold well against it.
At the IHU of Marseilles France, over 40% of the new Covid entries are double jabbed Pfizer. In the UK we get close to 30%.
Pharmaco vigilance reports over 15000 deaths in the EU mostly Pfizer and over 1.5 M side effects with over half of them dead serious. Those number are staggering. At this rate we will have 50.000 deaths from Pfizer in Europe by the end of the year. Not to mention long term effects with blood diseases, prion disease and so on.
This function gain virus from Wuhan lab is one motherfucker that offset its low fatality rate by an endless and fast growing mutation process. Indonesia and the UK have officially started massive ivermectin treatment. At this stage this is the only way to contain the virus worldwide. But I fear NRA vaccines have already triggered a vicious circle of variants.And where is this information from?
And where is this information from?The OP's imagination. I just did a quick fact check and everything stated in his very first post in incorrect. He'll do well on ISG!
ErsatzJulian
06-24-21, 05:16
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Member #4794
06-24-21, 05:41
WHO has just warned that the delta variant is surging in the US and Europe. This new variant is immune to all vaccines especially NRA ones. Worse, natural immunity doesn't seem to hold well against it.
.NRA is the national rifle association in the US you have searched the wrong term. There is no natural immunity to this virus. The variants are not immune to the vaccines, it may be less effective but the delta variant is not immune to the vaccines. ANZ Chimp vaccine is highly dangerous and 100% ineffective along with sputnik and the China vaccines. You are guzzling down that Chinese and Russian propaganda. Biden didn't hand over the keys to mRNA because mRNA is a bio weapon in itself which is the defense against these bioweapons, so they are trying to bash it. Chinese people across their country are losing their hearing and massive side effects from the Chinese vaccine which has 0 effect on the variants same goes for AZN. Reason the world is letting Americans in is because they are mRNA vaccinated for the most part. A lot of your information is propaganda and misguided unfortunately. Another miss conception you seem to have is that the vaccine prevents infection. That it does not at all it does is prevent death / greatly limits the chance of death. So that tiny death rate drops another 99% so you have a 0. 02%-99% chance of dying from covid after vaccination. People can and do still get the virus. Don't read to far into these propagandized statistics. The same people said the deaths rate was multiples higher than it actually was and it was just outright poorly crafted projections not based in any reality, they get paid to create panic and click bait. No real way to stop people like you from confirming your confirmation bias that the world is ending but it isn't. Europe is actually kind a fucked because AZN is totally in effective and does have horrible side effects don't inject yourself with anything that comes from a chimp. MRNAs effectiveness is lower where variants are concerned in some cases but it IS effective enough to protect against death. Which makes this a cold unless you were pre-covid afraid of dying from the flu or common cold in which case no hope for you. Covid existed as lesser forms and we have all been infected by a lesser strain of covid before this and you did live because it wasn't novel, the vaccines add the immunity you need to downgrade what we know as covid to the common cold covid level, its what the doctors used to tell you when they didn't understand what you had a part of what we know as the common cold.
Chinese media criticise Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, tout local shots.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-vaccine-china-idUSKBN29P1HT
DHS Now Tracking SARS-CoV-2 Variant of Concern be. 1. 617.2, the Delta Variant.
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/news/releases/061621.htm
SpirouleGroom
06-24-21, 08:09
NRA is the national rifle association in the US you have searched the wrong term. There is no natural immunity to this virus. The variants are not immune to the vaccines, it may be less effective but the delta variant is not immune to the vaccines. ANZ Chimp vaccine is highly dangerous and 100% ineffective along with sputnik and the China vaccines. You are guzzling down that Chinese and Russian propaganda. Biden didn't hand over the keys to mRNA because mRNA is a bio weapon in itself which is the defense against these bioweapons, so they are trying to bash it. Chinese people across their country are losing their hearing and massive side effects from the Chinese vaccine which has 0 effect on the variants same goes for AZN. Reason the world is letting Americans in is because they are mRNA vaccinated for the most part. A lot of your information is propaganda and misguided unfortunately. Another miss conception you seem to have is that the vaccine prevents infection. That it does not at all it does is prevent death / greatly limits the chance of death. So that tiny death rate drops another 99% so you have a 0. 02%-99% chance of dying from covid after vaccination. People can and do still get the virus. Don't read to far into these propagandized statistics. The same people said the deaths rate was multiples higher than it actually was and it was just outright poorly crafted projections not based in any reality, they get paid to create panic and click bait. No real way to stop people like you from confirming your confirmation bias that the world is ending but it isn't. Europe is actually kind a fucked because AZN is totally in effective and does have horrible side effects don't inject yourself with anything that comes from a chimp.ARN is just the acronym for genetic therapy in France so I just reverse it. Please don't patronize me.
I don't want to spend time arguing about Pfizer since you seem to cling to any last bit of relevance from this brand. Nevertheless you appear to me a bit conservative about the efficiency of the miracle product. I would suggest 120% success rate.
Now, let's get back to business. 4 British Airways pilots died a week ago after their double jab Pfizer. Something never heard of in the entire history of the general aviation. BA held up a crisis meeting with the government in order to suggest that vaccines pilots should not take the air! Since 80% of their pilots have been vaccinated they are cornered. Now, that just confirm what I suspected months ago that vaccines would just add another layer of crap.
Hungary stats: Pfizer hold the record of death rate per 100 000 vaccinated people (36) Sputnik is way behind with 1.
90% of the deaths in Europe reported by Pharmaco vigilance (a state organisation). Are from Pfizer.
Studies start to show that Prion disease is one of many threat that Pfizer clients are facing in the coming years (30 mouses tested with Pfizer died within a week with prion which is brain meltdown). The list is endless.
One has to be fuckin naive to believe that a three weeks vaccine development against SRAS works miracle while every genetics therapies tested those last 15 years failed miserably. It can be the future for all I know but this is the present time.
I wish vaccines work, really. But they don't. North hemisphere countries enjoy the summer season. Let's see how it goes in October. I already have some ideas.
Israel, Russia currently face a surge of contaminations and Israel acknowledge that the situation is serious (all of their Guinea pigs are Pfizer related).
I intended to go back to Montevideo, Buenos Aires, Moscow but I suspect that the mess is far from over. We have officials handling this crisis on panic mode and that won't change.
Now, to close this vaccine topic, I'm not against getting jabbed but with the right move. I would seriously consider Vanelva by the end of the year. This is definitely the most serious contender and it's French. It's similar to the flu vaccine but improved. Ironically the European Commission which has been bought out by Pfizer lobbyists already dismissed Vanelva because the factories were in Scotland and not in Europe. It's all about the money not about the best interests of the people and Pfizer has spent hundreds of millions to make sure Europe is it's garden wall. Sputnik is forbidden along with the Chinese ones. European citizens have choices between experimental genetics therapy and. Moderna. This is joke.
FuriousGeorge
06-24-21, 10:58
The Delta variant is definitely not 'immune' to vaccines. Please do a simple google search, something like 'delta variant vaccine efficacy'. Don't spread misinformation. Ugh I hate the internet. Please everyone get vaccinated and this nonsense is over.
Don't hold your breath.
WHO has just warned that the delta variant is surging in the US and Europe. This new variant is immune to all vaccines especially NRA ones. Worse, natural immunity doesn't seem to hold well against it.
At the IHU of Marseilles France, over 40% of the new Covid entries are double jabbed Pfizer. In the UK we get close to 30%.
Pharmaco vigilance reports over 15000 deaths in the EU mostly Pfizer and over 1.5 M side effects with over half of them dead serious. Those number are staggering. At this rate we will have 50.000 deaths from Pfizer in Europe by the end of the year. Not to mention long term effects with blood diseases, prion disease and so on.
This function gain virus from Wuhan lab is one motherfucker that offset its low fatality rate by an endless and fast growing mutation process. Indonesia and the UK have officially started massive ivermectin treatment. At this stage this is the only way to contain the virus worldwide. But I fear NRA vaccines have already triggered a vicious circle of variants.
Member #4794
06-29-21, 09:01
Mandaue City is half masturbating? Translating Tagalog is not bullet proof always get a 2nd opinion if you are translating tagalog or bisiya, the electronic translations are not great and often lead to misunderstandings. This is the reason why Filipinos often times struggle to translate what they are thinking / saying into English as to not sound like a total dumbass. Direct translations do not often times work that's why your filipina always answers with an "idea" of what she is thinking in tagalog. Its worst if they speak something they call jejemon the translators won't even decode jejemon. MOST cebuanas speak jejemon. Even if you do get access to their phones if they speak jejemon there's no one that can help you. Anyone who can read the jejemon is going to be just as illiterate. Its frustrating that they never have a direct answer but they are just as confused as you are unfortunately. One of the biggest problems I come across with some filipinas is they are so illiterate in any language not just English they have such limited vocabularies that meaningful communication is almost impossible. Thankfully this kind of means that you don't need to communicate your feelings in any meaningful way other than hand over some money as a measure of your love. Which results in a very easy path to sex. Pros and cons.
"Facebook apologizes for 'handy' translation gaffe in Mandaue City post about PNoy's death".
https://coconuts.co/manila/lifestyle/facebook-autotranslate-mandaue-city-half-mast/
I am in the UK, and have not heard anything about this, so did a little research, and the BA aspect appears to be incorrect. https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-coronavirus-aviation-idUSL2N2NZ1ZO.
ARN is just the acronym for genetic therapy in France so I just reverse it. Please don't patronize me.
I don't want to spend time arguing about Pfizer since you seem to cling to any last bit of relevance from this brand. Nevertheless you appear to me a bit conservative about the efficiency of the miracle product. I would suggest 120% success rate.
Now, let's get back to business. 4 British Airways pilots died a week ago after their double jab Pfizer. Something never heard of in the entire history of the general aviation. BA held up a crisis meeting with the government in order to suggest that vaccines pilots should not take the air! Since 80% of their pilots have been vaccinated they are cornered. Now, that just confirm what I suspected months ago that vaccines would just add another layer of crap.
Hungary stats: Pfizer hold the record of death rate per 100 000 vaccinated people (36) Sputnik is way behind with 1.
90% of the deaths in Europe reported by Pharmaco vigilance (a state organisation). Are from Pfizer.
Studies start to show that Prion disease is one of many threat that Pfizer clients are facing in the coming years (30 mouses tested with Pfizer died within a week with prion which is brain meltdown). The list is endless.
One has to be fuckin naive to believe that a three weeks vaccine development against SRAS works miracle while every genetics therapies tested those last 15 years failed miserably. It can be the future for all I know but this is the present time.
I wish vaccines work, really. But they don't. North hemisphere countries enjoy the summer season. Let's see how it goes in October. I already have some ideas.
Israel, Russia currently face a surge of contaminations and Israel acknowledge that the situation is serious (all of their Guinea pigs are Pfizer related).
I intended to go back to Montevideo, Buenos Aires, Moscow but I suspect that the mess is far from over. We have officials handling this crisis on panic mode and that won't change.
Now, to close this vaccine topic, I'm not against getting jabbed but with the right move. I would seriously consider Vanelva by the end of the year. This is definitely the most serious contender and it's French. It's similar to the flu vaccine but improved. Ironically the European Commission which has been bought out by Pfizer lobbyists already dismissed Vanelva because the factories were in Scotland and not in Europe. It's all about the money not about the best interests of the people and Pfizer has spent hundreds of millions to make sure Europe is it's garden wall. Sputnik is forbidden along with the Chinese ones. European citizens have choices between experimental genetics therapy and. Moderna. This is joke.
ARN is just the acronym for genetic therapy in France so I just reverse it. Please don't patronize me.
I don't want to spend time arguing about Pfizer since you seem to cling to any last bit of relevance from this brand. Nevertheless you appear to me a bit conservative about the efficiency of the miracle product. I would suggest 120% success rate.Spiroul,
I checked some of the claims you made. I wish you did more due diligence before you make claims that affect people's lives. I am a pilot and double vaccinated with Pfizer. And I can assure you that there is no such talk about vaccine related panic among pilots nor airlines. Not one person has brought it up. FAA requires disclosure of any medical concerns. BA is not going to risk losing their charter in USA by hiding such key info about pilots. They would rather ground their fleet and claim insurance payout than crash planes.
How many planes have crashed worldwide? How many mayday calls have been called due to pilot health concerns in the sky due to vaccine? Answer is none. Because FAA and ATC compiles such data worldwide. And none of the mayday calls have been related to Pfizer or any vaccine. So as an industry insider I can confirm you are spreading garbage info. I trust you truly believe your inference, but sadly you are misinformed. I pray that you do a bit more due diligence before spreading such information. Even if you believe it to be true.
WestCoast1
06-30-21, 07:54
Travel requirements (by province). Try:
https://www.s-pass.ph/
Nice website, easy to find your province / area. Couple of caveats, as mentioned in the pic:
* Some areas are RESTRICTED (you need a Travel Coordination Permit, TCP) for travel there. Other areas are not. Unrestricted by passing thru RESTRICTED area: You need a Travel Pass-through Permit (TPP).
* Thumbtack icon indicates the province has cities or brgy within that have different travel policies.
* Like reserving your hotel, it never hurts to call your LGU (Brgy hall or city's Mayor's office) to confirm your travel document needs.
Thanks to the Board member who passed this along to me.
Pharmaco vigilance reports over .....
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Geneva Guy
07-04-21, 00:16
The posts from this user need to be deleted.I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about COVID vaccines, but I think it's important to get the facts straight. As a Doc who has worked on numerous vaccines for over 20 years, I think I can address the science:
Moderna and Pfizer: These are mRNA vaccines, they do not get into human DNA, but they make the COVID spike protein and then the body makes an immune response (antibodies along with be and T cell response). These vaccines, to date, appear to be effective against the common variants such as Delta (indian).
Astra-Zeneca, J&J and Sputnik: These are known as "vector vaccines" because a common human or animal virus is taken, made non infectious, and reprogramed to enter the human cell nucleus (where out DNA is) and using the same mechanism that we use to make more human DNA, these vaccines make mRNA which then makes spike protein and then the body makes antibodies and be and T cells. These vaccines are a bit less effective than the Pfizer / moderna vaccines (and we don't know why).
-Sinovac and other Chinese vaccines: These use very old technology, they take COVID virus and kill it (so it cannot cause infection) and mix it with an aluminum salt to cause irritation on injection which helps stimulate the immune response more. These vaccines are much less effective and in studies and real world use, this is so, less effective.
-All the vaccines reduce severe COVID disease to different degrees. That was the aim of the development. To keep people out of the hospital and from dying.
-None of the vaccines are 100% effective.
-In a recent study with the Pfizer vaccine, patients who got no doses, 1 dose, 2 doses and 2 doses + waiting 2 more weeks were examined to see rates of COVID (these were health care workers taking care of COVID patients). Workers taking care of COVID patients who got 2 doses after 2 weeks later had an infection rate of 5% (and none were seriously ill). Vaccines appear to work in real life as well as studies. All the other groups had much higher infection rates.
All of the vaccines (like all drugs) have the potential for side effects. But, COVID infection has a lot more bad effects than the vaccines.
This is the science, not from running a Google search or reading blogs from people who don't read the science. Sorry. Those are the facts as judged by peer review research.
But again. Working in vaccine clinics here in the USA. I know you can't change people's minds. So I don't try to. I only present the facts.
And no, I don't support Dr. Fauci!
GG.
DriveAllNight
07-04-21, 02:27
I'm not trying to change anyone's mind about COVID vaccines, but I think it's important to get the facts straight. As a Doc who has worked on numerous vaccines for over 20 years, I think I can address the science:
Moderna and Pfizer: These are mRNA vaccines, they do not get into human DNA, but they make the COVID spike protein and then the body makes an immune response (antibodies along with be and T cell response). These vaccines, to date, appear to be effective against the common variants such as Delta (indian).
Astra-Zeneca, J&J and Sputnik: These are known as "vector vaccines" because a common human or animal virus is taken, made non infectious, and reprogramed to enter the human cell nucleus (where out DNA is) and using the same mechanism that we use to make more human DNA, these vaccines make mRNA which then makes spike protein and then the body makes antibodies and be and T cells. These vaccines are a bit less effective than the Pfizer / moderna vaccines (and we don't know why).
-Sinovac and other Chinese vaccines: These use very old technology, they take COVID virus and kill it (so it cannot cause infection) and mix it with an aluminum salt to cause irritation on injection which helps stimulate the immune response more. These vaccines are much less effective and in studies and real world use, this is so, less effective..Much appreciate the vaccine primer. I've already had covid, and I'm curious as to whether there's yet been a documented case of anyone previously infected contracting covid a second time?
Geneva Guy
07-04-21, 12:15
Much appreciate the vaccine primer. I've already had covid, and I'm curious as to whether there's yet been a documented case of anyone previously infected contracting covid a second time?Very simply. Yes. You can get COVID again if you already had it. Most likely due to one of the variants. The immunity produced by natural infection is much more specific for the exact virus you had, and less effective against the variants. That's why you need to get COVID vaccine. Because the immunity produced with the vaccine is much "broader" against variants (and the original).
Here is a great medical summary take a look, if you have questions, feel free to PM me:
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1605
GG.
WestCoast1
07-05-21, 10:00
There is a consumer-advocacy government department, the Dept of Industry / Trade. Got a consumer complaint? Nah, never. Website:
https://www.dti.gov.ph/konsyumer/complaints/
And the complaint form you must fill out and email back. Or hand-carry it to the Manila office:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ilL7KAK3i5SnREX01xRUp5azg/view?resourcekey=0-8zpjhWqGK93jSDlcAQ6sMg
Unfortunately, the. Pdf complaint form is not keyboard fill-able. You download it, print it out, fill it out by hand, then have it scanned at the cafe, and finally email it back to: consumercare@dti.gov.ph.
This process, of not being able to fill out the form online, of having to go to an internet cafe (or such) with a printer, then filling it out, then scanning and then emailing it, in itself deserves a consumer complaint. But, that's just me.
There is a consumer-advocacy government department, the Dept of Industry / Trade. Got a consumer complaint? Nah, never. Website:
https://www.dti.gov.ph/konsyumer/complaints/
And the complaint form you must fill out and email back. Or hand-carry it to the Manila office:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ilL7KAK3i5SnREX01xRUp5azg/view?resourcekey=0-8zpjhWqGK93jSDlcAQ6sMg
Unfortunately, the. Pdf complaint form is not keyboard fill-able. Or use an online converter PDF to Word, fill it out and reconvert to a PDF. Or subscribe to acrobat reader which will allow editing. Or use a free online pdf editor.
GoodEnough
07-05-21, 13:35
There is a consumer-advocacy government department, the Dept of Industry / Trade. Got a consumer complaint? Nah, never. Website:
https://www.dti.gov.ph/konsyumer/complaints/
And the complaint form you must fill out and email back. Or hand-carry it to the Manila office:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0ilL7KAK3i5SnREX01xRUp5azg/view?resourcekey=0-8zpjhWqGK93jSDlcAQ6sMg
Unfortunately, the. Pdf complaint form is not keyboard fill-able. You download it, print it out, fill it out by hand, then have it scanned at the cafe, and finally email it back to: consumercare@dti.gov.ph.
This process, of not being able to fill out the form online, of having to go to an internet cafe (or such) with a printer, then filling it out, then scanning and then emailing it, in itself deserves a consumer complaint. But, that's just me.On the other hand, there is free software that allows you to enter information into PDF files. But, you're right, it's a hassle and one of the small inconveniences of living here I suppose. I've been here so long that I no longer think much about it.
GE.
If you are a fully vaccinated foreigner coming from one of the "Green" countries (defined based on cumulative infection over the past 28 days and its trend), you can now enter Philippines but will be quarantined for 7 days. On day 5, an RT-PCR test will be conducted. If negative, you are free to leave quarantine on Day 7.
https://iatf.doh.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210628-IATF-RESOLUTION-123-C-RRD.pdf
How will they verify your vaccination status? You need to carry an International Certificate of Vaccination (I have not seen one for Covid) or be validated by one of the Philippine Overseas Labor Offices (they are in 13 location, worldwide). Good luck with either of that!
You must have been in the "Green" country for the past 14 days before arrival. None of the European countries or US is on the "Green" List. China, Hong Kong, S. Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan are among the countries on the Green list. The full list is available at:
https://iatf.doh.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210630-IATF-RESOLUTION-124-A-RRD.pdf
For a decent commentary on this policy, see:
https://www.philstar.com/opinion/2021/07/05/2110218/green-countries-or-not
In my opinion, this is a good start. But it is too onerous to be of much value. And of course, the list excludes most of the world's population who can actually travel and help Philippines' sulking "tourism" industry.
It is no surprise the Philippines is lagging behind, as it's just the latest in a long list of failed initiatives.
I am hopeful a 3rd country will step in and manage their COVID recovery program as they are obviously unable to do it themselves.
Case in point is the freeway system between Manila, Subic and Clark. That was managed by Australians.
Hopefully they will have herd immunity in a year or so as I am anxious to get back and meet some old "friends". My sense is that it will take some time to get things going again after COVID.
I would guess the hotels that have been shut down are mouldy and generally a health hazard, so it all needs to be cleaned, employees need to be hired, etc. It will take some time as you can't just flip a switch and be back to normal.
If you are a fully vaccinated foreigner coming from one of the "Green" countries (defined based on cumulative infection over the past 28 days and its trend), you can now enter Philippines but will be quarantined for 7 days. On day 5, an RT-PCR test will be conducted. If negative, you are free to leave quarantine on Day 7.
https://iatf.doh.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210628-IATF-RESOLUTION-123-C-RRD.pdf
How will they verify your vaccination status? You need to carry an International Certificate of Vaccination (I have not seen one for Covid) or be validated by one of the Philippine Overseas Labor Offices (they are in 13 location, worldwide). Good luck with either of that!
You must have been in the "Green" country for the past 14 days before arrival. None of the European countries or US is on the "Green" List. China, Hong Kong, S. Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Israel, Singapore, Taiwan are among the countries on the Green list. The full list is available at:
https://iatf.doh.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/20210630-IATF-RESOLUTION-124-A-RRD.pdf
For a decent commentary on this policy, see:
https://www.philstar.com/opinion/2021/07/05/2110218/green-countries-or-not
In my opinion, this is a good start. But it is too onerous to be of much value. And of course, the list excludes most of the world's population who can actually travel and help Philippines' sulking "tourism" industry.
I don't even think moldy hotel rooms would be cleaned. The number of mold-covered clothes, shoes and bags I've seen at different SM outlets just left there to continue festering beggars belief.
Philippine's Department of Labor & Employment (DOLE) just announced that returning Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs) can get their foreign country vaccination verified online.
https://www.rappler.com/nation/dole-says-returning-overseas-filipinos-need-covid-19-vaccination-cards-validated
The online form.
https://www.onehealthpass.com.ph/e-HDC/
Is clearly designed for vaccine verification for foreigners also. But the DOLE announcement says nothing (yet) about verification for foreigners. I expect that this process will be soon extended to foreigners. This will certainly remove uncertainty about the acceptance of vaccination cards after arriving in the Philippines. The online form seeks all the details about vaccination and asks to upload your vaccination certificate as well as Passport bio page (see enclosed image). The Bureau of Quarantine (BOQ) will then make advance determination, before you fly or even buy your ticket.
Bottom line: OFWs are first to try this process. Then this will be extended to foreigners, hopefully. Of course, applicable to only people from Green countries (a set of countries that does not yet include Americans or Europeans).
LaxinBuddy23
07-08-21, 12:21
New to this site, but have been in the Philippines for a while now. Most of my bar experience has been in Cebu (Mango and Lapu2) and Davao, with a few stops in the provinces in Mindanao. Am I missing out by not taking a trip to Manila or Angeles? I just got my 2nd dose of Pfizer in Davao (where I currently live) and am thinking about vacationing. I figure now might be a decent time to check those places out considering it is likely much less crowded. Does anyone know if bars are operating in those areas? Any help / advice in this area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
WestCoast1
07-09-21, 02:38
I figure now might be a decent time to check those places out considering it is likely much less crowded. Does anyone know if bars are operating in those areas? Any help / advice in this area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!Now is the time. Start by RTTF the Makati, Manila, and Angeles City threads. I tried to PM you, but you don't have that capability yet.
LaxinBuddy23
07-09-21, 03:28
Now is the time. Start by RTTF the Makati, Manila, and Angeles City threads. I tried to PM you, but you don't have that capability yet.I will go through and check those threads out. Any idea when the PM function will become active? Looking forward to discussing those locations with you. Thank you!
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07-09-21, 22:00
I will go through and check those threads out. Any idea when the PM function will become active? Looking forward to discussing those locations with you. Thank you!I think about a week after payment.
New to this site, but have been in the Philippines for a while now. Most of my bar experience has been in Cebu (Mango and Lapu2) and Davao, with a few stops in the provinces in Mindanao. Am I missing out by not taking a trip to Manila or Angeles? I just got my 2nd dose of Pfizer in Davao (where I currently live) and am thinking about vacationing. I figure now might be a decent time to check those places out considering it is likely much less crowded. Does anyone know if bars are operating in those areas? Any help / advice in this area would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!Some former AC bargirls have told me Fields has opened up. Bars are now Restos serving food with girls servers. Servers do not do bar fines. Quite a few FL are out there.
Locamotive
07-10-21, 05:55
Philippine's Department of Labor & Employment (DOLE) just announced that returning Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs) can get their foreign country vaccination verified online.
https://www.rappler.com/nation/dole-says-returning-overseas-filipinos-need-covid-19-vaccination-cards-validated
The online form.
https://www.onehealthpass.com.ph/e-HDC/
Is clearly designed for vaccine verification for foreigners also. But the DOLE announcement says nothing (yet) about verification for foreigners. I expect that this process will be soon extended to foreigners. This will certainly remove uncertainty about the acceptance of vaccination cards after arriving in the Philippines. The online form seeks all the details about vaccination and asks to upload your vaccination certificate as well as Passport bio page (see enclosed image). The Bureau of Quarantine (BOQ) will then make advance determination, before you fly or even buy your ticket.
Bottom line: OFWs are first to try this process. Then this will be extended to foreigners, hopefully. Of course, applicable to only people from Green countries (a set of countries that does not yet include Americans or Europeans).Green countries or countries under control, well we certainly should be one of those if not the leader. I have not worn a mask anywhere in over a month, well maybe a Dr. Office or flying but other than that nowhere. Baseball games outings and public events from what I see are back to normal in the US. We should certainly be on the entry list unless they want zero numbers, if that's the case then no one will get it.
Some former AC bargirls have told me Fields has opened up. Bars are now Restos serving food with girls servers. Servers do not do bar fines. Quite a few FL are out there.It has been open for a long time. Pretty much any girl in any bar / resto that is open will do BF.
WestCoast1
07-10-21, 09:53
It has been open for a long time. Pretty much any girl in any bar / resto that is open will do BF.If nothing else, quietly slip the girl your phone number. The worst that will happen is that she doesn't contact you.
If nothing else, quietly slip the girl your phone number. The worst that will happen is that she doesn't contact you.Well Westie, with all due respect. The worst that could happen is that she does contact you and then you end up getting sucked in because you think she is so hot. And then you end up texting more words than you ever thought humanly possible. Texting becomes your number one occupation. But then for one reason or another (maybe she's focusing on her work or her studies), you never see her again outside of her workplace. And that repeats itself a staggering number of time. Happened to a friend. 🤷.
All,
A year ago it seemed that the world was ending, and in many ways the way things used to be have. But believe it or not things are starting to turn around, and for the fellow Lurkers and Mongers' on the PI forum as well as the others we can now look forward to trips back to the PI again, if not tomorrow but a lot closer than we would have thought back in July 2020. That being said, here are a few of my just random thoughts I see based on what I've been reading.
1. The age of online trolling will slow down. I like many have been keeping busy just biding my time on the various sites like Tagged, Meet Me, Skout, etc. Meeting the random woman on these sites maybe giving a gift or two and getting the obligatory nude photo or video. Seen many scams out there, one picture on the profile, and once the "gift" is given something completely different gets delivered and that's just part of the game. I've learned that the moment you get an immediate request for a "castle" or "jet" I know what I'm dealing with. However the ones that have learned to play the long game may get an extra gift now and then. I bring this up because recently I've seen an uptick for immediate requests, since the advent of vaccines and some countries allowing folks to travel, I sense the providers are starting to realize that the days of their being in control are about to end. Imagine walking into a bar full of women, and one immediately comes up and asks for a "gift" and one bides her time and waits for you to sit down and take it easy. Which one would you go for? Women realize this since online it's a sellers market, but now with guys (me included) reducing time online, saving those extra bucks for a trip providers are starting to realize a return to the old days is coming.
2. Old locations, new paint. Maybe the travel shut downs will have a silver lining. Most of you have to admit that some of the oft frequented places where Lurkers would gather were rather dumps and I doubt seriously if they would pass any fire / life safety checks provided the inspector wasn't tipped enough. From Angeles, to Subic to heck even the much known Orchard Towers in Singapore, those buildings were dumps. Kind of hard to "close for remodeling" sometimes when you have people coming every night and if you are closed you will lose out to competition. Maybe some of the old places may go by the way side, but hopefully new ones will come up in their stead. One can only shop at so many places, and there is a limit on "high end" stores that can be built in areas where folks barely have enough to buy the necessities of life, so I expect the old locations with maybe a new owner and layer of paint will open back up.
3. Slow road to recovery. If you pay attention to the US Labor reports, you see there are more jobs than employees, and many site the Federal Government beefing up some states Unemployment benefits, making it a smarter deal to stay unemployed (depending on the job you do) and get an extra $300-$400 to their unemployment, and I would probably do the same. Same thing you can see now. Places are starting to open, countries where many of the Lurkers come from and have a little extra Euros / Dollars, etc to spend may find some ways to get back, but not the full stream as before. Thus you see the increased demands from women online asking for gifts up front (see my #1 thoughts). But once the travel spigot is turned open full, follow the money. Providers now don't have to "give it up" to get money now, but let them try that in places like Angeles or Manila when they are at home online and their neighbor is at the local bar picking up Lurkers. Pretty soon the online ones will shift back to in person.
4. Local Government will welcome Lurker business back. You can read the news and say that the Lurker business is bad for morality, but those same ones will be there with their hands out to the owners asking for their cut of the revenue. Also, those side business will be more welcoming. Can't go and buy late night breakfast with you and two women online, but you can if you are in a bar stumbling out and heading towards to late night snack before back to the hotel. Same thing as taking them to buy some "jewelry" or what ever one buys, as well as the myriad of jeepney drivers ready to take you back. Those side business can't make any money with the game all online. Unless the local politician has an internet cafe that he charges the girls to sit at, when more people start returning in person the more the money will flow more to all.
Rather long, but those are just my thoughts as I see them Whether in the PI, Singapore, Thailand, etc. One form or another I think that is how things will play out in the near future.
LaxinBuddy23
07-11-21, 10:39
Thanks for some of the responses, guys. From what I've read, as of now it might make more sense to stick with the Makati and potentially Subic scenes (since most has seemingly relocated from AC.) I think I'm going to head up around the 25th of this month for 10-14 days.
Perhaps I'm biased in being a permanent resident that has been living here since pre-covid, but I do not see any the country opening up en mass to international tourists anytime soon. Yes, they have begun allowing vaccinated tourists from green countries in, but my understanding is they are still subject to daily arrival limits while still prioritizing OFW's and Filipino citizens. Perhaps they will try to roll-out a re-opening similar to Phuket-where select tourist destinations reopen because it's easier to vaccinate the local populations as opposed to areas like the NCR and Cebu. My guess is that Palawan and Boracay would be opened as a trial run. In general, the vaccination drive has not been going very well here. Further complicating things is the issue that many other countries are already experiencing in regards to breakthrough with the Sinovac vaccine. I was fortunate enough to be vaccinated with Pfizer here in Davao, but in general the equitable access to quality vaccines is going to be a potential road block in regards to tourism resuming at a level we have become accustomed to (in regards to the people making the decisions.) I truly hope I'm wrong, but seeing as I haven't been able to walk into a restaurant or supermarket in roughly 16 months (minus a brief 3 week break,) I am not optimistic. The country could definitely use a boost of cash from vacationing foreigners, there's no doubt about that.
Is anyone else currently in country that might be interested in showing the ropes up in the Luzon bar scene? The "bars" here have all been repurposed into massage parlors and they are chock full of new and naive talent. I expect that will be a recurring theme at girl bars throughout the country.
LaxinBuddy23
07-12-21, 01:38
Thanks for some of the responses, guys. From what I've read, as of now it might make more sense to stick with the Makati and potentially Subic scenes (since most has seemingly relocated from AC.) I think I'm going to head up around the 25th of this month for 10-14 days.
Perhaps I'm biased in being a permanent resident that has been living here since pre-covid, but I do not see any the country opening up en mass to international tourists anytime soon. Yes, they have begun allowing vaccinated tourists from green countries in, but my understanding is they are still subject to daily arrival limits while still prioritizing OFW's and Filipino citizens. Perhaps they will try to roll-out a re-opening similar to Phuket-where select tourist destinations reopen because it's easier to vaccinate the local populations as opposed to areas like the NCR and Cebu. My guess is that Palawan and Boracay would be opened as a trial run. In general, the vaccination drive has not been going very well here. Further complicating things is the issue that many other countries are already experiencing in regards to breakthrough with the Sinovac vaccine. I was fortunate enough to be vaccinated with Pfizer here in Davao, but in general the equitable access to quality vaccines is going to be a potential road block in regards to tourism resuming at a level we have become accustomed to (in regards to the people making the decisions.) I truly hope I'm wrong, but seeing as I haven't been able to walk into a restaurant or supermarket in roughly 16 months (minus a brief 3 week break,) I am not optimistic..Sorry posted from phone, so typos. Should have been "haven't been able to walk into a restaurant or supermarket and buy liquor, beer, or wine." Sorry if that was confusing.
WestCoast1
07-12-21, 04:29
Thanks for some of the responses, guys. From what I've read, as of now it might make more sense to stick with the Makati and potentially Subic scenes (since most has seemingly relocated from AC.) I think I'm going to head up around the 25th of this month for 10-14 days.
Is anyone else currently in country that might be interested in showing the ropes up in the Luzon bar scene? The "bars" here have all been repurposed into massage parlors and they are chock full of new and naive talent. I expect that will be a recurring theme at girl bars throughout the country.As your timeframe is short, a typical 2-week block, I'd strongly suggest Subic. As suggested on this board, it appears to have barfines, which I am not aware of in NCR. The reporting out of Burgos so far shows a few re-purposed bars being turned into resto's only.
Regarding Malate. LAC has been re-purposed similarly. GPoint is not open. The KTV bars in K-town (Adriatico, Mabini) are mostly closed still and those that are re-opened are similarly re-purposed (and mostly empty at night; last night I walked into one that is open on Mabini at 11 pm, no customers, just a loud area with socially-distanced seats). There is, at this point, no point-shoot places where you can choose a girl and go get a hotel. I am also not aware of accommodations in the area that will allow multiple guests (either together, or serially, you have to register guests in advance).
The main ST places, Sogo and Victoria Court, have minimum stays usually of 10 hours (on occasion I have gotten 6 at Sogo, but usually limited to 10 or 12 hours which costs more), at about p1000. Eurotel Pedro Gil told me they are not doing ST. There are Pension houses in the area, but are hit / miss; you must go 12 hours (price can be cheap, p600), but 1 guest (some will allow 2), guests must show valid eye dee at almost all places now (and boy, does THAT reduce the number of available girls), and they can be full -- forcing you to go walking to find another. Reddoorz (each location, so far) has taken not only my eye dee, they take the eye dee of every girl I bring in (returning the eye dees upon checkout). One day Reddoorz refused the Police Clearance eye dee of my girl, not disputing that it was a real police clearance, but saying that it was not a valid eye dee. Reddoorz, Sogo, and VC can also be full at any time of the day. VC one day asked for p4 k for a 12-hour ST room; those kind of prices hint at a shortage of ST room availability.
The ST pensionne houses can be quite low-brow. A child's bed, 1 skinny plastic pillow, 6' x 9' room, separate shower / toilet room (no toilet seat) with a pipe sticking out of the wall about chest-height you can run a stream of cold water to shower, no sink, no mirror, bottom bed sheet but no top sheet or blanket, 1 towel provided (extra towel for extra pay, or not at all available), cement walls with "09943334 xxxx ask Patricia" or a dick drawn on the wall, floors / walls / ceilings cement. Cockroaches the size of your thumb that don't show up until you are in the middle of the ditty. You are rogering her doggy when the little brown bastardo scurries right towards her, head-on, face to face. She shrieks, jumps off the bed and runs into the CR and jumps onto the seat-less toilet, shrieking "COCK ROAAAAAACH! COCK ROAAAAAACH!" Your manhood begins to decompose when the little brown bastardo reacquires a new target: You. Well, that's what I heard might happen. Bring your own mouthwash and soap, and keep your shoes on!
Do yourself a favor, go to Subic. If the gogo bars are operating, then the hotels are allowing multiple guests. Other gents in the NCR weigh in please.
I haven't been able to walk into a restaurant or supermarket in roughly 16 months (minus a brief 3 week break,) I am not optimistic. The country could definitely use a boost of cash from vacationing foreigners, there's no doubt about that.Interesting. I was in the province for a year of Covid, and only during ECQ times was alcohol banned in the restos or supermarkets. Same in Manila. I bought wine for friends at the supermarket a few days ago. That is separate from various Brgy which ban alcohol from time to time.
LaxinBuddy23
07-12-21, 05:17
It's worth noting that my city is the jurisdiction of princess Duterte, so there's likely some overcompensating for the mismanagement of quarantines and consistently bad Covid #'s in Davao. I still haven't encountered a salient argument as to why Davaweños are any different from other Filipinos though in regards to drinking habits. It's been an outright liquor ban for all of Davao for wayyy too long. Silver lining: I've started brewing my own beers / alcoholic beverages and baking my own bread?
My tip isn't necessarily limited to only 2 weeks, it would just be a matter of finding coverage for my dog for an extended amount of time. It's not like I currently have anything else better to. In general, the point and shoot nature of the places I haven't visited is what interests me, although I'm not opposed to doing some work. I've been around Cebu and Davao long enough that I have plenty experience in both. I have no problem buying drinks and connecting over the course of a few hours, exchanging #'s, and then meeting a girl once she's off duty or on her day off. I'm also happy buying my 2-3 drinks and paying a barfine. I just figure the overall amount of talent would be greater in those areas as opposed to Cebu and Davao. Maybe just Subic should be my primary focus, dabbled in with some AC and NCR. I've heard Sogo is generally a good option, and I'm not going to hand ring over a 12 hour rate as long as I can do my business (even though it is admittedly not ideal.) I'd rather just pay the money and be comfortable instead of dealing with the problems you have listed with some places (been there, don't have much desire to do it again.) Brings back memories of some of the ST hotels in Butuan and Mangagoy!
Interesting thoughts and appreciate the time taken to pen it down. I'm out of Philippines and can't wait to return, but looks like 2021 is a wash. 2022 may change but considering the lack of work opportunities I see more WG in the business when things open up.
Accommodations are going to be expensive as sharing of more than 2 in a room may be prohibited. That could inflate cost of mongering. But most of the youngsters have been deprived of sex for last two years, getting a educated sex deprived chic for free is certain if you know how to connect and converse. Is my understanding right?
All,
A year ago it seemed that the world was ending, and in many ways the way things used to be have. But believe it or not things are starting to turn around, and for the fellow Lurkers and Mongers' on the PI forum as well as the others we can now look forward to trips back to the PI again, if not tomorrow but a lot closer than we would have thought back in July 2020. That being said, here are a few of my just random thoughts I see based on what I've been reading.
1. The age of online trolling will slow down. I like many have been keeping busy just biding my time on the various sites like Tagged, Meet Me, Skout, etc. Meeting the random woman on these sites maybe giving a gift or two and getting the obligatory nude photo or video. Seen many scams out there, one picture on the profile, and once the "gift" is given something completely different gets delivered and that's just part of the game. I've learned that the moment you get an immediate request for a "castle" or "jet" I know what I'm dealing with. However the ones that have learned to play the long game may get an extra gift now and then. I bring this up because recently I've seen an uptick for immediate requests, since the advent of vaccines and some countries allowing folks to travel, I sense the providers are starting to realize that the days of their being in control are about to end. Imagine walking into a bar full of women, and one immediately comes up and asks for a "gift" and one bides her time and waits for you to sit down and take it easy. Which one would you go for? Women realize this since online it's a sellers market, but now with guys (me included) reducing time online, saving those extra bucks for a trip providers are starting to realize a return to the old days is coming...
Hi,
With the work from anywhere opportunity, evaluating if I can work from PH for few months (3-4). Need some guidance from senior members:
Can I keep renewing my tourist visa and be there during my stay.
I plan to take a serviced apartment, but at the same time don't see a need to be in Makati. Bit outside I guess should be fine. Any preferred locations and any idea on the rental for one / two bedroom condo would be helpful.
Lastly I'm not keen on getting a WG, instead looking to have a live in partner for the entire period. I know it has pros and cons, but that appears more appealing to me. How difficult or easy to get one.
Thanks in advance for your response.
CageMonkey
07-12-21, 12:24
Per the British Government and British Airways, no four BA pilots have recently died, either of COVID or anything else. Please do a quick google search and you will find many reports debunking this. Same of the claim that Pfizer causes Prion diseases. Yet more bunk that with a bit of googling you would have found. You would have found that one, and only one research paper, a short, three page paper from a J Bart Classen, a well known favorite of the anti-vax idiots, published. That paper has been disproved already for poor science and false or misleading information. Yet more bunk, you state vaccines don't work, well, they do, and people have known this since at least the late 1700's since George Washington himself had the US continental army inoculated. They did not know the process, but the knew if you pricked someone with smallpox with a pin and then pricked someone without, they would, usually, develop a mild case of smallpox and then be immune to it.
There is not 100% perfection of anything. You inoculate millions of people, a percent will die because a percent will die everyday even if related to the vaccine or no, no matter which flavor of vaccine you take. Jumping on these deaths and claiming vaccine related is just more false information. And yes, there is very, very small chance that any vaccine, no matter how carefully created, tested, and studied, can still cause problems. But it is the percentage that is important. You are taking a FAR, FAR greater risk going to work than you are from any vaccine. T.
WestCoast1
07-16-21, 08:37
Some good news. The US is shipping 3 million doses of Johnson & Johnson vaccine to Phils. "We are beginning to ship over 3. 2 million doses of J&J to the Philippines today," White House spokesman Kevin Munoz said on Twitter. Posted July 15.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/u-begins-shipping-3-2-142159324.html
Some good news. The US is shipping 3 million doses of Johnson & Johnson vaccine to Phils. "We are beginning to ship over 3. 2 million doses of J&J to the Philippines today," White House spokesman Kevin Munoz said on Twitter. Posted July 15.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/u-begins-shipping-3-2-142159324.htmlI'm sceptical of that wording "we are beginning to ship 3. 2 m doses" does that mean beginning by sending 10,000 doses?
But more seriously the J&J seems to be a winner for distribution in Ph yet it is not getting the mainstream coverage possibly because it was late to market and the big deals had already been done.
Hope Philippines open by end of October. Trip meticulously planned using airline and hotel credits from last year. Lined up few new girls as well as old favorites including big boobs (attached pic) who is married now but still wants a romp with me. Virgin girl waiting (pic) . Got some normal girls in Thailand lined up (hard to do) . Istanbul trip on the way for sightseeing and see if I get lucky. Certainly want torture massage there which is famous. If Philippines and Thailand does not open do not know if airlines will give credit again. This time hotels are all cancellable.
GoodEnough
07-18-21, 14:28
I'm sceptical of that wording "we are beginning to ship 3. 2 m doses" does that mean beginning by sending 10,000 doses?
But more seriously the J&J seems to be a winner for distribution in Ph yet it is not getting the mainstream coverage possibly because it was late to market and the big deals had already been done.The first 1. 6 million doses of J&J arrived two days ago, though the article I read did not indicate where they would ultimately be used in the country.
GE.
The first 1. 6 million doses of J&J arrived two days ago, though the article I read did not indicate where they would ultimately be used in the country.
GE.Thanks. Well that's half. I am so cynical these days.
They will first be used on politicians, their families, their rich friends. Then senior bureaucrats, their families and their rich friends, board members of semi govt organisations like CDC and others, airport corporation execs, COMLEC etc.
The remaining doses will be held until all of the above are serviced and by then the doses will have expired. I feel it will be like the donated rice of the last typhoon which was allowed to rot instead of being given out.
WestCoast1
07-22-21, 02:58
The first 1. 6 million doses of J&J arrived two days ago, though the article I read did not indicate where they would ultimately be used in the country. GE.
Thanks. Well that's half. I am so cynical these days.
They will first be used on politicians, their families, their rich friends. Then senior bureaucrats, their families and their rich friends, board members of semi govt organisations like CDC and others, airport corporation execs, COMLEC etc.Insight from a pic. Approximately 27 million jabs in Phils now.
GoodEnough
07-22-21, 04:49
Thanks. Well that's half. I am so cynical these days.
They will first be used on politicians, their families, their rich friends. Then senior bureaucrats, their families and their rich friends, board members of semi govt organisations like CDC and others, airport corporation execs, COMLEC etc.
The remaining doses will be held until all of the above are serviced and by then the doses will have expired. I feel it will be like the donated rice of the last typhoon which was allowed to rot instead of being given out.I understand the cynicism, but here in Davao at least, it's not warranted. The government has been running a consistent, ever more pervasive campaign to get as many people vaccinated as possible and appears to have strictly targeted specific populations in priority order. I have a friend here who's from one of the richest, most influential families in the city, and even she could not get vaccinated until it was her turn to do so.
GE.
I understand the cynicism, but here in Davao at least, it's not warranted. The government has been running a consistent, ever more pervasive campaign to get as many people vaccinated as possible and appears to have strictly targeted specific populations in priority order. I have a friend here who's from one of the richest, most influential families in the city, and even she could not get vaccinated until it was her turn to do so.
GE.Agreed, had both my doses in Makati. Due to having a medical condition that puts me at increased risk I was seen as being more urgent to be vaccinated than many locals I know who registered at least a month before me. Both times I went the delivery of jab was efficient, there were no opportunities for people to queue jump as every stage was regulated.
Agreed, had both my doses in Makati. Due to having a medical condition that puts me at increased risk I was seen as being more urgent to be vaccinated than many locals I know who registered at least a month before me. Both times I went the delivery of jab was efficient, there were no opportunities for people to queue jump as every stage was regulated.A friend living in Makati has some medical issues and was prioritised, and his wife was able to jump the queue, as she accompanied him. She is much younger and has no underlying health issues. It just made sense to get her vaccinated at the same time, and that I think makes sense. She did not have an appointment, but was clearly at the right place and the right time.
WestCoast1
07-23-21, 12:10
The government has been running a consistent, ever more pervasive campaign to get as many people vaccinated as possible and appears to have strictly targeted specific populations in priority order. I have a friend here who's from one of the richest, most influential families in the city, and even she could not get vaccinated until it was her turn to do so.Concur. All of my foreigner friends here (who wanted it) have been fully vaxxed (except one who is half-vaxxed), by at least a month ago. Advantage (at least somewhat) is their age: Seniors.
The process in Manila was as follows: You register on a government website, and they email or send you a Vax eye dee card with your picture and a unique QR code. Show it at your local Brgy office and a nurse makes an appointment for you at the next dose #1 vax site. Show up (with your vax eye dee QR code for scanning) and get vaxxed. Once vaxxed you get a card with your followup date for does #2. That's it. I have seen more than a dozen cattle-call vax sites around Manila, at Brgy stations and in malls. Hundreds or thousands line up. I saw a DOH graphic on FB recently congratulating Phils on a record-dosing day (just a few days ago) of 600 K doses in one day.
OTOH. A girl in North Mindanao tells me that there have been no general public jabs yet in her city of several hundred thousand. Front-liners and seniors only (they are still working the senior crowd). Not enough jabs delivered to the area yet. I'm not sure if the wealthy there are getting theirs there. Briz I will PM you.
WestCoast1
07-24-21, 02:10
https://www.yahoo.com/news/vaccinated-people-75-recent-covid-071043169.html
From Reuters yesterday, out of Singapore. Fully and partially vaxxed persons (hundreds in the past month) testing positive for Covid (mostly minor symptoms, if any). As asymptomatics carriers, they become infectious. From the article:
While the data shows that vaccines are highly effective in preventing severe cases, it also underscores the risk that even those inoculated could be contagious, so that inoculation alone may not suffice to halt transmission.
Of Singapore's 1,096 locally transmitted infections in the last 28 days, 484, or about 44%, were in fully vaccinated people, while 30% were partially vaccinated and just over 25% were unvaccinated, Thursday's data showed.
While seven cases of serious illness required oxygen, and another was in critical condition in intensive care, none of the eight had been fully vaccinated, the health ministry said.
SNIP.
"As more and more people are vaccinated in Singapore, we will see more infections happening among vaccinated people," Teo Yik Ying, dean of the Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health at the National University of Singapore (NUS).
"It is important to always compare it against the proportion of people who remain unvaccinated...Suppose Singapore achieves a rate of 100% fully vaccinated...then all infections will stem from the vaccinated people and none from the unvaccinated."
I'm in Cebu City which still has an overnight curfew, and it starts at 11 pm. In Manila and the NCR the overnight curfew starts at 12 midnight, but from tomorrow night it will revert back to a 10 pm start.
START.
MMDA chief: Curfew hours to be extended in NCR amid COVID-19 Delta variant threat.
ABS-CBN News. Posted at Jul 24 2021 10:15 AM. Updated as of Jul 24 2021 05:21 PM.
MANILA (UPDATE) Metro Manila will see longer curfew hours starting next week following the capital region's change in quarantine classification due to the threat of the highly infectious COVID-19 Delta variant.
Metropolitan Manila Development Authority chairman Benhur Abalos Jr. Said they will be releasing a new resolution on curfew hours for the National Capital Region, which will be extended to 6 hours, from 10 pm To 4 am.
In a tweet Saturday afternoon, the MMDA said enforcement of longer curfew hours will start Sunday, July 25.
The current curfew hours are from 12 am To 4 am, shorter by two hours. <END.
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/24/21/mmda-chief-curfew-hours-to-be-extended-in-ncr-amid-covid-19-delta-variant-threat
Insight from a pic. Approximately 27 million jabs in Phils now.
Presumably this 27 million figure is for the total number of vaccine shots that have been delivered here to date - if so, allowing for the number of doses that have been used (see below), that would mean the current stock is about 10.7 million doses?
As for the actual numbers that have been jabbed, according to this report today (link below), 5. 5 million have been jabbed twice ie have been fully vaccinated, and a further 10.8 million have received their first jab.
START.
MANILA Over 5. 5 million Filipinos have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19, with total doses administered topping 16.4 million, a government task force said on Saturday.
In a statement, the National Task Force (NTF) Against COVID-19 said 10,866,238 have received their first jab against the disease, while 5,560,029 are fully immunized, accounting for 9. 58 percent of the minimum 58 million government target by yearend. <END.
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/07/24/21/philippines-covid19-vaccination-update-july242021
WestCoast1
07-26-21, 09:16
Presumably this 27 million figure is for the total number of vaccine shots that have been delivered here to date - if so, allowing for the number of doses that have been used (see below), that would mean the current stock is about 10.7 million doses?Sounds about right.
From the DOH FB account. Some more DOH graphics from the past few days. 17 million jabs: 11 million first does, 6 million both doses.
Averaging 300 k doses per day (7-day average). Average number of daily reporting active vax sites: 1355 (last 7 days).
DOH priority categories: A1 (Front liner / Health workers), A2 (Senior citizens), A3 (Co-morbidity), A4 (Front liner / Essential Sectors), A5 (Indigent).
The other graphic is the number of reported variant cases. Currently 119 detected Delta variant.
PedroMorales
07-26-21, 23:45
Congratulations to Weightlifter Hidilyn Diaz who has won a gold medal at the current Tokyo Olympics. It is the first gold ever for the Philippines. When she won silver in Rio, she was the first Pinay ever to win a medal. It is good to see Pinays shine. They deserve a lot more than vagina obsessed sickos. Congrats so far to Japan too.
Medal wise, well done Japan, China, Russia, Hungary, Tunisia, Iran, Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia (Colombia, Ivory Coast, Mexico.
Congratulations to Weightlifter Hidilyn Diaz who has won a gold medal at the current Tokyo Olympics. It is the first gold ever for the Philippines. When she won silver in Rio, she was the first Pinay ever to win a medal. It is good to see Pinays shine. They deserve a lot more than vagina obsessed sickos. Congrats so far to Japan too.
Medal wise, well done Japan, China, Russia, Hungary, Tunisia, Iran, Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia (Colombia, Ivory Coast, Mexico.Colombia has a hot Archer chick.
Congratulations to Weightlifter Hidilyn Diaz who has won a gold medal at the current Tokyo Olympics. Just reading through her wiki page "Hidilyn Diaz is the fifth of six children. Her father was a tricycle driver before becoming a farmer and a fisherman. ".
Puts a new context to 55 kg spinner.
WestCoast1
07-29-21, 06:17
Just reading through her wiki page "Hidilyn Diaz is the fifth of six children. Her father was a tricycle driver before becoming a farmer and a fisherman. "Small town girl makes good. No, she makes great. Hi-five and go team Diaz.
Picture. 659 K jabs in one day. Things are looking up. Except that guy, the patient getting jabbed. Why does he look oddly like. . . Me?
PedroMorales
07-30-21, 06:49
Some of the best experiences ast the Tokyo Olympics were the heroic women who won gold for the Philippines (weight lifting), Thailand (taekwondo) and India (silver in weight lifting). All three deservedly got heroes welcome on their return home, with the Pinay, a sergeants in the Air Force, clocking up over $1 million and counting. My question is: how did all three get home as international travel is severely constricted.
PedroMorales
07-30-21, 14:47
Nesthy Petecio is in the medals' stakes, having made the semi final of the women's featherweight boxing. She is the first Pinay to win a medal at boxing. The last time a Pinoy boxer won a a medal was 1996 and the last time the Philippines won multiple medals was at the 1932 LA Olympics, when some of the guys here were in their prime. (bronzes in boxing, high jumping and swimming).
As Petecio is fancied to go further, the question is what effects this will have on the Philippines and Duterte's curfews? Petecio is from Davao del Sur so Duterte will want to milk it.
I would expect the place to go bananas and the lock downs to be ignored.
GoodEnough
07-30-21, 16:22
Nesthy Petecio is in the medals' stakes, having made the semi final of the women's featherweight boxing. She is the first Pinay to win a medal at boxing. The last time a Pinoy boxer won a a medal was 1996 and the last time the Philippines won multiple medals was at the 1932 LA Olympics, when some of the guys here were in their prime. (bronzes in boxing, high jumping and swimming).
As Petecio is fancied to go further, the question is what effects this will have on the Philippines and Duterte's curfews? Petecio is from Davao del Sur so Duterte will want to milk it.
I would expect the place to go bananas and the lock downs to be ignored.Manila, Cebu and CDO are all going into the most stringent quarantine conditions on 1 August, and I don't think the police are going to take any crap about ignoring curfew. My guess is that any outbursts of pride will largely be confined to online commentary, as was the case with the local weightlifter who just won the country's first gold medal.
GE.
Some of the best experiences ast the Tokyo Olympics were the heroic women who won gold for the Philippines (weight lifting), Thailand (taekwondo) and India (silver in weight lifting). All three deservedly got heroes welcome on their return home, with the Pinay, a sergeants in the Air Force, clocking up over $1 million and counting. My question is: how did all three get home as international travel is severely constricted.Probably by airplane from Tokyo NRT or HND.
Otherwise they will wait for their respective rowing team for transport.
My question is: how did all three get home as international travel is severely constricted.Without being cynical, as always, the rules are only for the common people. World wide, people have used money, fame or connections to skirt the "rules". Many celebrities, sports stars and the wealthy have been able to travel or return home despite quarantines, flight restrictions and visa limits.
Nothing unusual here.
Daily Mail: Covid: Scott Morrison is stumped by Caitlin Jenner quarantine question.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9812359/Covid-Scott-Morrison-stumped-Caitlin-Jenner-quarantine-question.html
PedroMorales
07-30-21, 22:45
Without being cynical, as always, the rules are only for the common people. World wide, people have used money, fame or connections to skirt the "rules". Many celebrities, sports stars and the wealthy have been able to travel or return home despite quarantines, flight restrictions and visa limits.
Nothing unusual here.
Daily Mail: Covid: Scott Morrison is stumped by Caitlin Jenner quarantine question.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-9812359/Covid-Scott-Morrison-stumped-Caitlin-Jenner-quarantine-question.htmlGood link. The Algerian who wouldn't fight the Israeli was "sent home". There must be special VIP passes but Tokyo to Algeria would be hard right now. Australia is tighter than a koala's bum. But not for all, it seems.
WestCoast1
07-31-21, 00:57
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-data-shows-that-74-of-people-who-tested-positive-for-the-virus-in-massachusetts-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated-11627665558?siteid=yhoof2
As per previous discussion of vaccines and covid, this one on breakthrough infections, showing large numbers of fully vaxxed having high viral loads of covid. From the article:
A federal investigation into a COVID-19 outbreak earlier this month in a Massachusetts county thats home to Cape Cod found that 74% of the 469 infections were among vaccinated people, a finding that raises questions about the prevalence of breakthrough infections.
SNIP.
274, or 79%, of the fully vaccinated people who tested positive for the virus were symptomatic.
301, or 87%, of the people who had been vaccinated and tested positive were men; their median age was 42.
Earlier this week, the CDC director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, also said that new data had revealed that people who are vaccinated and test positive for the virus can carry the same viral load as people who are unvaccinated and test positive for the virus. This research found that cycle threshold (Ct) values in samples from 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 unvaccinated people were similar.
High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus, Walensky said in a separate statement on Friday. This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDCs updated mask recommendation.
Back in May, the CDC said that there had been fewer than 10,000 breakthrough cases among the 95 million or so Americans who were fully vaccinated at that time. However, data out of Los Angeles County has found that in June one-fifth of all new cases are breakthrough infections among the vaccinated.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/cdc-data-shows-that-74-of-people-who-tested-positive-for-the-virus-in-massachusetts-outbreak-were-fully-vaccinated-11627665558?siteid=yhoof2
As per previous discussion of vaccines and covid, this one on breakthrough infections, showing large numbers of fully vaxxed having high viral loads of covid. From the article:
A federal investigation into a COVID-19 outbreak earlier this month in a Massachusetts county thats home to Cape Cod found that 74% of the 469 infections were among vaccinated people, a finding that raises questions about the prevalence of breakthrough infections.
SNIP.
274, or 79%, of the fully vaccinated people who tested positive for the virus were symptomatic.
301, or 87%, of the people who had been vaccinated and tested positive were men; their median age was 42.
Earlier this week, the CDC director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, also said that new data had revealed that people who are vaccinated and test positive for the virus can carry the same viral load as people who are unvaccinated and test positive for the virus. This research found that cycle threshold (Ct) values in samples from 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 unvaccinated people were similar.
High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus, Walensky said in a separate statement on Friday. This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDCs updated mask recommendation.
Back in May, the CDC said that there had been fewer than 10,000 breakthrough cases among the 95 million or so Americans who were fully vaccinated at that time. However, data out of Los Angeles County has found that in June one-fifth of all new cases are breakthrough infections among the vaccinated.At least the vaccine helps improve your chances of surviving covid, if you get it. At this point I would like to know who is better protected? Those who have had the vaccine, people who have had covid and recovered, or people who have had both. I hate that government response is to want to put everyone in masks. My oldest daughter was a transplant patient so any family that wanted to visit her right after the surgery had to be trained in hospital PPE. I also was a trained HAZMAT first responder. The masks only provide protection for a max of 4 hours before they actually can be a hazard to the wearer. Don't get me started on how people handle the masks when they take them off.
WestCoast1
07-31-21, 10:58
At least the vaccine helps improve your chances of surviving covid, if you get it.Yes. From another article today regarding the same Massachusetts spike.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/eight-hundred-cases-seven-hospitalizations-and-no-deaths-the-provincetown-outbreak-shows-vaccines-work-125324207.html
Though effectiveness varies by vaccine brand, most are quite potent against infection and exceptionally so at preventing the kind of infection that causes serious illness. Of the 833 people in the Provincetown cluster as of Wednesday, only seven had been hospitalized. And zero had died.
SNIP.
Of those 346 people with breakthrough infections, 79 percent reported symptoms, but those tended to be mild, such as cough or headache. Nearly everyone recovered at home. Of the few who had to go to the hospital, several had underlying conditions.
Of 800 infected, only 7 hospitalized and no deaths. That's great and a vax tribute. But if 79% of vaxxed breakthrough infections reported symptoms, that means 21% are asymptomatic. We have both vaccinated and unvaccinated, some of each showing symptoms and others with no symptoms.
Previously on this board there was discussion of opening up countries to vaxxed travelers. This information flies in the face of that. Can you risk allowing in asymptomatic, infectious vacationers?
Previously on this board there was discussion of opening up countries to vaxxed travelers. This information flies in the face of that. Can you risk allowing in asymptomatic, infectious vacationers?Many countries including Philippines cannot survive without tourists. Rich country citizens can survive with stimulus payment, eviction banned etc. Every girl I talked to has sob stories. They always had before but now with many of our targets are suffering because of KTV, bars, venues shutdowns cannot make easy money. Not many has expat support.
COVID vaccine is godsend. It has improved the economy of many countries who are not much affected by tourism. Lots of countries are opening up for tourists except for Thailand and Philippines.
Sooner they open up it will be better for suffering people.
Member #4698
07-31-21, 16:02
COVID vaccine is godsend. It has improved the economy of many countries who are not much affected by tourism. Lots of countries are opening up for tourists except for Thailand and Philippines.
Sooner they open up it will be better for suffering people.The pandemic and the way it was handled has devested the economy of the PI. I feel sorry for the girls and all the small business owners who depend on tourism for their livelihoods. But I will also wager with anyone who cares to make the bet that the PI will open their borders before Thailand. Thailand is the #1 mis-managed vaccine rollout country with hot girls in the world IMHO.
In any case, I have been sending rent money to my longest running favorite Thai girl since April 2020. I have been shagging this girl since 2010 when I first met her, and she was the sexiest little spinner in Baccara Go Go in BKK. She is now a 33-year-old Thai women and frankly she has lost a lot of her youthful sparkle, but I still like her, and we still have good times drinking, shagging, and going out for dinners. This is why I continue to send her 3000 baht a month despite the fact that when I am in Thailand, I enjoy shagging a lot of much younger and hotter girls. Damn the Covid! I wish I was there.
Anyway, I am not trying to get anything more from this one other than what she already gives me. The amount of money I give her is basically pocket change to me. I just know she really needs and appreciates what I send her and that is all the thanks I need. Incidentally, all my repeat favorite girls in MNL and BKK asked for help, but this was the only girl that did not ask and therefore was the only one I helped.
I am looking forward to returning to Thailand and the PI hopefully by March 2022. But in the meantime, I have found a new playground where the girls are smoking hot, the best DFK & blow job artists on the planet, and very passionate in bed. I love my new Brazilian acquaintances and I am going back to RJ & SP for my 2nd visit this year in September. The sporting life is still good if you know where to go.
Yes. From another article today regarding the same Massachusetts spike.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/eight-hundred-cases-seven-hospitalizations-and-no-deaths-the-provincetown-outbreak-shows-vaccines-work-125324207.html
Though effectiveness varies by vaccine brand, most are quite potent against infection and exceptionally so at preventing the kind of infection that causes serious illness. Of the 833 people in the Provincetown cluster as of Wednesday, only seven had been hospitalized. And zero had died.
SNIP.
Of those 346 people with breakthrough infections, 79 percent reported symptoms, but those tended to be mild, such as cough or headache. Nearly everyone recovered at home. Of the few who had to go to the hospital, several had underlying conditions.
Of 800 infected, only 7 hospitalized and no deaths. That's great and a vax tribute. But if 79% of vaxxed breakthrough infections reported symptoms, that means 21% are asymptomatic. We have both vaccinated and unvaccinated, some of each showing symptoms and others with no symptoms.
Previously on this board there was discussion of opening up countries to vaxxed travelers. This information flies in the face of that. Can you risk allowing in asymptomatic, infectious vacationers?Some more info about the outbreak.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/
So there is a lot more to this story than people attending summer concerts.
Soapy Smith
07-31-21, 19:33
Some more info about the outbreak.
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/07/30/a-gay-rights-activist-explains-why-the-cdcs-provincetown-study-may-be-fatally-flawed/
So there is a lot more to this story than people attending summer concerts.What do you know about the credentials and expertise of this gay activist and his friends? Tucker Carlson got a BA in history from a little religious college in Hartford, CT that nobody has heard of. He has stated that he was drunk through most of his college years. Anthony Fauci finished first in his class in Cornell Medical College in 1966 and has worked on the frontline of HIV, Ebola and other infectious diseases since then. The internet makes possible a lot of open microphones for those who want to be seen and heard, but not all content is equal.
Locamotive
07-31-21, 20:16
The pandemic and the way it was handled has devested the economy of the PI. I feel sorry for the girls and all the small business owners who depend on tourism for their livelihoods. But I will also wager with anyone who cares to make the bet that the PI will open their borders before Thailand. Thailand is the #1 mis-managed vaccine rollout country with hot girls in the world IMHO.
In any case, I have been sending rent money to my longest running favorite Thai girl since April 2020. I have been shagging this girl since 2010 when I first met her, and she was the sexiest little spinner in Baccara Go Go in BKK. She is now a 33-year-old Thai women and frankly she has lost a lot of her youthful sparkle, but I still like her, and we still have good times drinking, shagging, and going out for dinners. This is why I continue to send her 3000 baht a month despite the fact that when I am in Thailand, I enjoy shagging a lot of much younger and hotter girls. Damn the Covid! I wish I was there.
Anyway, I am not trying to get anything more from this one other than what she already gives me. The amount of money I give her is basically pocket change to me. I just know she really needs and appreciates what I send her and that is all the thanks I need. Incidentally, all my repeat favorite girls in MNL and BKK asked for help, but this was the only girl that did not ask and therefore was the only one I helped..You are a good man, I do the same. To most of us a few hundred bucks a month means nothing. To them it can be shelter and food. I hope more are doing this as COVID has hit them hard especially the bar girls.
Tucker Carlson got a BA in history from a little religious college in Hartford, CT that nobody has heard of. Anthony Fauci finished first in his class in Cornell Medical College in 1966 and has worked on the frontline of HIV, Ebola and other infectious diseasesVery helpful of you to put things in context. For a little more context: it was Fauci who during the initial AIDS panic fast-tracked the toxic AZT drug which got a lot of homosexuals killed. Here we are now in another pandemic panic and it's Dr. Fauci once again on the frontline pushing experimental 'vaccines. '
WestCoast1
08-01-21, 22:17
Following along on the vaccine issue.
Headline: About 99.999% of fully vaccinated Americans have not had a deadly Covid-19 breakthrough case, CDC data shows".
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/less-0-001-fully-vaccinated-224313663.html
From the article:
More than 99.999% of people fully vaccinated against Covid-19 have not had a breakthrough case resulting in hospitalization or death, according to the latest data from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
SNIP.
The CDC reported 6,587 Covid-19 breakthrough cases as of July 26, including 6,239 hospitalizations and 1,263 deaths. At that time, more than 163 million people in the United States were fully vaccinated against Covid-19.
I enjoy watching Reekay'sLifeBeyondTheSea YouTube channel. In this link he outlines changes coming to the BI which will increase the length of time a visitor can initially stay in the Philippines, but no longer allow for a Visa on Arrival option. Visas must now be approved through a Philippine Consulate prior to arrival in the Philippines. I only hope that the Philippines will be as efficient as Vietnam is in processing their visas but with the Philippines, change does not necessarily mean increased efficiency. Some posts in the comments section following the video may also be of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQV_xgEkPl4
WestCoast1
08-03-21, 00:26
I enjoy watching Reekay'sLifeBeyondTheSea YouTube channel. In this link he outlines changes coming to the BI which will increase the length of time a visitor can initially stay in the Philippines, but no longer allow for a Visa on Arrival option. Visas must now be approved through a Philippine Consulate prior to arrival in the Philippines. I only hope that the Philippines will be as efficient as Vietnam is in processing their visas but with the Philippines, change does not necessarily mean increased efficiency. Some posts in the comments section following the video may also be of interest. Informative post.
In the past, the LA Phils Consulate has always processed my visa applications in less than 24 hours when I send it to them. Always, regardless of what state I was living in, my passport and new visa was back in my hands within 5 days of my sending it. If I sent it (next-day air express, going and coming back to me) on Monday, it was back in my hands on Thursday or Friday. FedEx / UPS tracking showed it was at the Consulate for about 8 hours each time. The remainder of the several days was spent at sorting facilities or 'In Transit'. Also at the consulate are windows for in-person visa application. This too was fairly efficient; a friend tells me that after dropping it off at the window, the PP and visa was back in his hands in a few hours. BTW, it costs more to send it 'express' than it does to process the visa.
Having said that, its important to note that Phils government offices that are still open (some, such as city hall Makati, close some parts or all during ECQ), are operating at 50% employee capacity since the start of Covid, including the BI. They have reduced the number of clients allowed inside. They have gone to online appointment-only, so you can no longer just show up and 'fall in line'. Its possible that overseas Consulate or Embassy facilities might be required to do the same, so plan on a few extra days to get your visa processed for your upcoming trip.
I enjoy watching Reekay'sLifeBeyondTheSea YouTube channel. In this link he outlines changes coming to the BI which will increase the length of time a visitor can initially stay in the Philippines, but no longer allow for a Visa on Arrival option. Visas must now be approved through a Philippine Consulate prior to arrival in the Philippines. I only hope that the Philippines will be as efficient as Vietnam is in processing their visas but with the Philippines, change does not necessarily mean increased efficiency. Some posts in the comments section following the video may also be of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQV_xgEkPl4I'm not sure the visa before arrival applies to countries that previously had visa upon arrival status. Take a look at the video link below from the Filipina Pea who interviews a branch manager from JRV visa consultancy. Another thing to keep in mind is that it has not been fully approved by the Philippine legislators and is still up for a vote in the Senate. Changes can also still be implemented before final approval.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjqySx0881w&t=615s
This site has a different take about changes to the Visa on Arrivals process. On this site a Filipino Visa worker says that the Visa on Arrival processing will not change. Her take is that applying for a visa from an embassy will only be required by citizens of countries who currently require a visa before arrival in the Philippines. Sorry for causing confusion, however I imagine interpretations will continue to unfold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjqySx0881w
WestCoast1
08-03-21, 23:11
This site has a different take about changes to the Visa on Arrivals process. On this site a Filipino Visa worker says that the Visa on Arrival processing will not change. Her take is that applying for a visa from an embassy will only be required by citizens of countries who currently require a visa before arrival in the Philippines. Sorry for causing confusion, however I imagine interpretations will continue to unfold.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjqySx0881wFor those wanting to cut to the chase in this video, the discussion in the vid of not changing the current VOA system is at 5:55.
TomJones06
08-04-21, 03:31
Got any you. S Military Retirees in here? I'm coming up on my 20 and looking to gather some info.
PedroMorales
08-04-21, 21:13
Yesterday's test came back positive. Not surprising as I felt at death's door Hard to contract trace as I did not mix around much. Some of he medications friends are suggesting are positively scary: some thing that gets rid of parasitical worms in horses.
Yesterday's test came back positive. Wishing you all the best, I'm sure you are aware that the vast majority of those that catch it do go on to recover.
Albert9989
08-05-21, 16:55
Yesterday's test came back positive. Not surprising as I felt at death's door Hard to contract trace as I did not mix around much. Some of he medications friends are suggesting are positively scary: some thing that gets rid of parasitical worms in horses.Were you vaccinated?
If yes, no risks at all.
If not, risk stay low, but don't be late to visit urgencies if really breathing becomes difficult, oxygen can be needed in some cases.
Whish you to recover soon.
Member #4698
08-05-21, 19:15
Yesterday's test came back positive. Not surprising as I felt at death's door Hard to contract trace as I did not mix around much. Some of he medications friends are suggesting are positively scary: some thing that gets rid of parasitical worms in horses.I am sorry to hear you are not feeling good. Where are you? If you are at home everything will be ok. You just have to endure 10 days of feeling like shit. But call your doctor immediately if complications occur or if you are having trouble breathing. If you are in the PI, God bless, you will still be ok, but your experience will be noteworthy.
So, get well soon and remember that after you recover you will be Superman IE immune.
I am sorry to hear you are not feeling good. Where are you? If you are at home everything will be ok. You just have to endure 10 days of feeling like shit. But call your doctor immediately if complications occur or if you are having trouble breathing. If you are in the PI, God bless, you will still be ok, but your experience will be noteworthy.
So, get well soon and remember that after you recover you will be Superman IE immune.Worth noting, you are unlikely to be immune to all strains. My sister caught it twice working in a hospital. Recover soon NB.
Yesterday's test came back positive. Not surprising as I felt at death's door Hard to contract trace as I did not mix around much. Some of he medications friends are suggesting are positively scary: some thing that gets rid of parasitical worms in horses.Mate not everyone who contracts covid will be very sick. Take care and if the condition starts to deteriorate seek medical help. Good luck.
PedroMorales
08-06-21, 09:07
Worth noting, you are unlikely to be immune to all strains. My sister caught it twice working in a hospital. Recover soon NB.I think I picked it up in my city centre or on public transport, of which I am not a big user. I am coughing 24/7 but the aches and pains like I am on the world's lumpiest, saggiest bed seem to be over. Although I didn't see it coming, I'd have figured this far into the pandemic, there would be small risk.
Some of the cures doing the rounds on the internet are Mengele stuff. I'll sit tight and hope my lungs hold out. Concentration is out and even typing this is a big effort.
Yesterday's test came back positive. Pedro: Hope you have an Oxymeter (it is a cheap device) to monitor your oxyzen. If the level falls rapidly, time to go to hospital. I hope it does not come to that. But many affected don't feel trouble breathing until it is too late.
We all wish you luck!
WestCoast1
08-07-21, 04:40
Another look. 2 weeks ago I posted the first pic, a BioSurveillance Report from the Phils Genome Center (July 24). My empahsis at the time was the Delta variant. The DHO releases this each week. Here we are 2 weeks later, with the latest numbers for the variants. Here is a breakdown of what has happened in 2 weeks, percentage-wise. Guessing this is one reason they are so concerned about Delta. Somebody check my math:
Alpha cases up 18%, deaths up 5%.
Beta cases up 17%, deaths up 14%.
Delta cases up 278% (119 and 450 cases), deaths up 125% (4 and 9 deaths).
Gamma cases and deaths, no change.
P3 cases up 18%, deaths no change.
TravelingMan3
08-07-21, 08:00
Got any you. S Military Retirees in here? I'm coming up on my 20 and looking to gather some info.I'm retired Military Medically Retired currently live in Sosua Dominican Republic what Information are you looking for. To be honest I'm going to go to Thailand over the PI but if I can help I'd be glad to.
PedroMorales
08-09-21, 22:47
I am almost out of Covid. The coughing has died down and is not as incessant. My appetite is returning but I am still sleeping maybe 14 hours a day in spasms. Some of the advice here has been helpful. Although I will have better short term resistance to a recurrence, I am not more vulnerable to be re-infected.
The lesson I draw is covid cannot be avoided if one interacts socially at all. I will probably have to get the jabs and hope for the best. Travel throughout Europe is too problematic right now and even considering going beyond Europe with no good cause makes no sense Local providers seem the way to go but they are over priced and not of LBFM quality. Tough times.
I am almost out of Covid. The coughing has died down and is not as incessant. My appetite is returning but I am still sleeping maybe 14 hours a day in spasms. Some of the advice here has been helpful. Although I will have better short term resistance to a recurrence, I am not more vulnerable to be re-infected.
The lesson I draw is covid cannot be avoided if one interacts socially at all. I will probably have to get the jabs and hope for the best. Travel throughout Europe is too problematic right now and even considering going beyond Europe with no good cause makes no sense Local providers seem the way to go but they are over priced and not of LBFM quality. Tough times.So assume you are not in PI. Definitely suggest visit to a covid hospital and get an xray. Let the professionals monitor. Many get worse suddenly.
Current recommendations are getting shots even for recovered people.
WestCoast1
08-10-21, 08:37
ECQ update.
Well, its a bit of a ghost town again in Manila. Some street pics, mall pics. Also we gots us an alcohol ban, and all food is take-out only. The grocery store and maybe 10 other stores (food, pharmacy) are open in the mall. Even the mall's flagship department store is closed for the duration (Aug 6-20, if not extended). Street pics taken at dusk, mall pics taken 3-ish pm. Curfew 8 pm, so get your evening honey to your place early (if they allow guests). If your place doesn't allow guests (other than your registered main squeeze), you need another hotel. More hotels are showing now as Quarantine on Agoda. Even the ST hotels are now allowing only 1 person per rented room (ie Sogo, VC), even if online they are renting rooms for multiple persons (see pic).
And a link to this article: "Drone footage captures Manila under lockdown".
https://www.yahoo.com/news/drone-foo...053331400.html
Papae Noel
08-10-21, 13:30
Pedro, Get well soon! Hope you were able to stay out of the hospital. You are in Europe?
PedroMorales
08-10-21, 14:52
I live in a suburb, lots of green, space etc. I live alone, eat well / healthily and live a clean life. Moderate drinker. Non smoker, don't mix much. Yet here I am, having to factor in covid risks going forward. Thanks for the informed comments. Food for thought.
Soapy Smith
08-12-21, 10:55
ECQ update.
And a link to this article: "Drone footage captures Manila under lockdown".
https://www.yahoo.com/news/drone-foo...053331400.htmlThanks Westie for the frequent informative updates. The situation in Manila that you have been illuminating helps some of us keep our Philippines wanderlust under control. Some of your mall photos look like Robinson's Place in Ermita, but I thought you were staying in Makati.
I couldn't get the yahoo link to the EDSA drone footage to work. I think Yahoo may have taken the story down. I found the same footage on Reuters and other outlets:
http://br.mobile.reuters.com/video/2021/08/09/drone-footage-captures-manila-under-lock?videoId=733945097&videoChannel=117763
EDSA without congestion is hard to imagine.
WestCoast1
08-12-21, 13:45
Thanks Westie for the frequent informative updates. The situation in Manila that you have been illuminating helps some of us keep our Philippines wanderlust under control. Some of your mall photos look like Robinson's Place in Ermita, Welcome. That was Robinson's Ermita. In the grocery store about 2:30 pm, I counted 9 checkout lanes open, 3 of which had customers (1 customer each). Just prior to last weekend's ECQ lockdown it was a madhouse just an hour after opening. Still have to have a mask when in public, and also a face shield to enter the mall. However since the shield mandate was dropped a few weeks ago, many businesses dropped it also. Can now go into 7-11 or MiniMart with just a mask. I only take the shield with me now if I am specifically going to a mall.
http://br.mobile.reuters.com/video/2021/08/09/drone-footage-captures-manila-under-lock?videoId=733945097&videoChannel=117763
EDSA without congestion is hard to imagine.Roxas, Makati Ave. They are pretty dead even at normal rush hour times during ECQ. Good catch on the drone footage.
Must say that when Filipino are told to stay home, they STAY HOME.
WestCoast1
08-12-21, 14:05
Six days since the last one. See pics. Delta cases up, from 450 to 627 (39% increase). Deaths up from 9 to 13 (44% increase).
I live in a suburb, lots of green, space etc. I live alone, eat well / healthily and live a clean life. Moderate drinker. Non smoker, don't mix much. Yet here I am, having to factor in covid risks going forward. Thanks for the informed comments. Food for thought.Glad to hear you are getting better. Have you been advised of any long-term affects? I've heard of some having symptoms for a loooong time but my info is 4th and 5th hand conjecture.
Hope you are fighting fit soon. 👍128077;129310;.
Albert9989
08-12-21, 23:04
At same time I noticed many vaccinations going on in many places, many of my chatmates told me that they are fully vaccinated.
In Manila but also in Cebu, and Palawan, Puerto princesa but even some isolated villages fully vaccinated.
They talk about sinovac and also AstraZeneca.
That's good to hear, they try really to strongly improve the vaccination level which is the only way we have now to fight this virus, even if not the best.
PedroMorales
08-13-21, 11:12
Glad to hear you are getting better. Have you been advised of any long-term affects? I've heard of some having symptoms for a loooong time but my info is 4th and 5th hand conjecture.
Hope you are fighting fit soon..A friend is dropping me in an oximeter today so I can measure my oxygen. More to the point, I sleep round the clock but am always tired and want to sleep again. I wake from a deep sleep but am not refreshed. I am going to have a full check up when this is over. I did not not conjunctivitis or anything, just like an awful does of the clap for 3-5 days and a persistent cough that is now gone. The cough like that of a very sick baby, with the diagrphagm coughed out of me, like I have been badly bruised all along it.
Now I am perusing this site for a good recuperation spot for 2021.2.
Needs.
1. Ease of exit from Europe. Turkey and Turkish Airways seem best.
2. Ease of paperwork. Somewhere that wants $$$ and is not made change the rules every day.
3. Cash hungry women.
1 and 2 are the problems, big problems, not just for Europeans. Any country relaxing restrictions over the next months would be flooded.
Now I am perusing this site for a good recuperation spot for 2021.2.
Needs.
1. Ease of exit from Europe. Turkey and Turkish Airways seem best.
2. Ease of paperwork. Somewhere that wants $$$ and is not made change the rules every day.
3. Cash hungry women.
1 and 2 are the problems, big problems, not just for Europeans. Any country relaxing restrictions over the next months would be flooded.I'm not European but I'd preference Cebu over MNL: big enough but not so big that everyone is paranoid; direct flights and other international transit options should the SHTF. Not to mention a metric shit tonne of girls out of work and seeking cash. Many more in the wider Visayas areas that would happily accept a bus fare and suck any residual toxins from your body.
I've also noticed a few AirBNB and Agoda adds highlighting that they are accepting tenants with no Covid or vaccination paperwork. I'm not sure if this is a good thing (signs of opening up) or a bad one (lack of containment).
Good luck with the recovery. Long term chronic diseases can deflate both body and soul.
Cheers.
PedroMorales
08-14-21, 09:24
After I posted, I checked flights with Qatar and Turkish into Phils. Both asking for papers and both saying no Europeans need apply as no admittance. Fares were expensive too. There must be places, mostly on a small scale I imagine, where Gestapo rules do not apply. I hear of ferries crossing the North Sea, no papers needed, train routes into Switzerland.
My soul is fine, I am doing the non canine equiva.
I'm not European but I'd preference Cebu over MNL: big enough but not so big that everyone is paranoid; direct flights and other international transit options should the SHTF. Not to mention a metric shit tonne of girls out of work and seeking cash. Many more in the wider Visayas areas that would happily accept a bus fare and suck any residual toxins from your body.
I've also noticed a few AirBNB and Agoda adds highlighting that they are accepting tenants with no Covid or vaccination paperwork. I'm not sure if this is a good thing (signs of opening up) or a bad one (lack of containment).
Good luck with the recovery. Long term chronic diseases can deflate both body and soul.
Cheers.
I enjoy watching Reekay'sLifeBeyondTheSea YouTube channel. In this link he outlines changes coming to the BI which will increase the length of time a visitor can initially stay in the Philippines, but no longer allow for a Visa on Arrival option. Visas must now be approved through a Philippine Consulate prior to arrival in the Philippines. I only hope that the Philippines will be as efficient as Vietnam is in processing their visas but with the Philippines, change does not necessarily mean increased efficiency. Some posts in the comments section following the video may also be of interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQV_xgEkPl4Lots of the same small blob articles out there which says to me not much is really known what might happen. But one article did mention immigrants being involved in crime. Including kidnapping, smuggling, human trafficking, labor recruitment, and terrorism. So better checks and balances would hopefully keep those people out. Same with those trying to live off a tiny bit of savings or income stream.
WestCoast1
08-20-21, 01:04
Some more Covid info, new study on viral load.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/double-jabbed-people-carry-same-140126657.html
From the article:
Fully vaccinated people carry the same amount of Covid as the unvaccinated, scientists have found in a new study that calls into question the effectiveness of vaccine passports and changes to the NHS app. Experts had hoped two doses of vaccine would significantly reduce the viral load carried by people who became infected, lowering the risk of them passing on Covid.
SNIP.
However, the new study by the University of Oxford shows that the delta variant wipes out the viral load reduction. Instead, even the fully jabbed carry high levels of the virus if they become infected and are also more likely to be symptomatic than vaccinated people who pick up an alpha infection. The results suggest those who are fully jabbed could be as capable of passing on Covid as the unvaccinated, although they are less likely to pick up the virus in the first place.
SNIP.
Despite the findings, the study showed the jabs are still helpful in preventing an infection in the first place, which will have a role in stopping transmission. Two doses of the AstraZeneca jab lowered the rate of a new infection by 67 per cent and Pfizer by 82 per cent.
WestCoast1
08-20-21, 05:59
Careful what you wish for. NCR (and I think Laguna) will have the last day of ECQ today, and move to MECQ tomorrow for Aug 21-31. Supposedly the Modified ECQ is a less-strict form of ECQ. Other gents here, do I have that right? However this time I don't see much difference. The restaurant situation stays the same (take-out only), curfew will stay the same (8 pm). The only change will be the lack of the Quarantine pass.
Pics from today's news online, including ABS-CBN. Self-explanatory, with:
Pic #2, group of people. Just guessing that is an ayuda formation from the past week. Its a cattle-call event, one person from each eligible home shows up to pick up cash given by the government when people can't work during lockdown. Last week it was p4 k per family, at least in the several Brgy where I know folks. Whatever this line is, its slow-moving, as you can see a gentleman sitting / resting at the bottom of the pic. Previous ayuda lines I've seen before were more organized and socially distanced and single file; not a large blob of people in such close proximity like this one.
Pic #4, Quarantine passes no longer needed. During the ECQ, many Brgy distributed a laminated pass, one to each family. Supposedly, only 1 person from your home can go out at any one time for food, supplies, medicine, medical. Over 2 weeks time I only needed to show mine once.
I understand at least one provincial city has recently dropped out of ECQ to the less restrictive GCQ.
PedroMorales
08-20-21, 09:09
I went to the shop early this morning, my first shop trip in August. I am itching to get a provider, even a local over priced one. However, I still have a cough and am very weak so maybe next week. Or the week after.
There are people moving around Western Europe, young adventurers and the like but it is flatter than a pancake.
I have been watching a lot of youtube videos on Thailand and Japan. All are masked up, pattaya / Jomtien seems to be just expats and long haul hookers, who have forsaken the war pain. There was a good video on how hooker prices have fallen way back to bearable levels. This is a few months old but it gives the price picture. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKW4YMMRp1A.
The Japanese and Thai videos give a good current snap shop.
This https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ shows the Philippines is much riskier than Thailand for the locals. I would hate to have a family depending on Duterte and his type.
With my own covid, I have been phoning everyone I know, gleaning opinions. All seem to be ready for a long haul of washing hands, wearing masks and avoiding The Great Unwashed. The relatively large number of anti vaxxers I know increasingly come across as nut jobs, Certainly their proposed cures are worse than the disease.
I have heard first hand reports of 3 year olds infecting entire families.
Where do we / I go from here? I cannot think of anywhere worth a punt. There are obviously lots of willing women in the Philippines, Indonesia, Latin America and so on. And plenty of over priced lardies in Europe. But is it over? Many European providers are now asking for vac certs (wtf) and they seem a waste of time in any event. Not the Pampanga / Pattaya sort who let things rip.
It also seems Turkish and the various Middle East airlines are being squeezed out in Europe, locking all possible escape routes.
The only way forward here seems to get into a bubble. But with crazy European prices, it may be a case of going back to World what One where the Austro Hungarian conscript said: Before the war, my wife was my right hand. Now my right hand is my wife.
My own situation is I am still recovering from Covid, I have a digital passport but I have nowhere I can go where the risk and hassle does not swamp the reward of barb wired pussy.
Quite simply, the old days are gone and are not coming back. Look at onlyfans (which thankfully is under pressure). Paying $20 a month or more to see some virtual BS. Bring back even a whiff of the old days before we die.
We are coming into the Northern winter again and talk is of jabbing and boosting us all. At this rate, even 2021 will be the good old days.
Member #4794
08-20-21, 22:14
Quite simply, the old days are gone and are not coming back.I hope a lot of the newer breed of mongers feels this way and seek local talent in their respective home countries. When I first started going to angels I feel like it was the hayday of walking street hell it might have even been better before I got there. In this hobby red tape and hassle leads to 9's-10's sitting and waiting for you to show up. This has changed over the past 10 years or so bar girls are no longer sweet and have kind of a bar girl archetype you can still find gems every now and then but they soon get tainted and jaded. This is the reason I started to travel to Laos and myanmar for less ridden hookers where you can still find 9's-10's sitting around. While you might see the hassle as hassle for hassle sake it serves as a firewall to weed out half hearted mongers. Just means that if you do get in you will be rewarded with sweeter juice. I do not crochet, nor do yoga, nor do I protest anything, I only monger it is my only hobby and the only thing I give a shit about.
PedroMorales
08-20-21, 23:46
https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions/MMR?originCountry=ITA&nationality=USA&departureDate=2021-08-29&returnDate=2021-08-30&tripType=roundTrip&transitType=noTransit&fullyVaccinated=false&language=en-US
The above is a pretty good site showing what is on and off the menu travel wise. I have bonked Burmese before, hairless wonders, but those days are gone as entry is forbidden. Here are arrivals at Bkk airport https://www.bangkokairportonline.com/flight-status-arrivals-departures/ though I doubt many mongers are landing.
Here is Laos. Most foreigners need not apply https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions/LAO?originCountry=ITA&nationality=USA&departureDate=2021-08-29&returnDate=2021-08-30&tripType=roundTrip&transitType=noTransit&fullyVaccinated=false&language=en-US.
Here is (non) entry to the Philippines. https://apply.joinsherpa.com/travel-restrictions/PHL?originCountry=ITA&nationality=USA&departureDate=2021-08-29&returnDate=2021-08-30&tripType=roundTrip&transitType=noTransit&fullyVaccinated=false&language=en-US.
Special rules for their own as remittances keep that national of Jolibees going. Mongers do not figure.
Those places are all locked shut. The videos of life in Thailand (Pattaya, Bkk) show very little action, a few street walkers trying to make rent and nothing more in Ghost towns.
I am thinking of making an intra European trip next month but the problem even here is travel restrictions.
I had been bonking a US based air hostess who had a side hussle on. But she landed here three times during covid and never contacted me. Due to hotel lockdown rules.
To9 nga is Covid free but a British chick has been stuck there for 18 months, unable to leave https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/british-woman-who-spent-pandemic-in-tonga/index.html.
Some other South Pacific land dots are also covid free but there is no getting there.
The good old days were Bugis Street and Johore Road in Singapore. All of that is like talking about the rise and fall of the Roman Empire or what Alexander got up to in Kabul's cat houses.
The problem is today's restrictions which, in places like France, are going to get a lot worse. US citizens (may) have, at least, the chance to wander south and dip into debauchery at Tijuana and continue south. SE Asia, no go.
I hope a lot of the newer breed of mongers feels this way and seek local talent in their respective home countries. When I first started going to angels I feel like it was the hayday of walking street hell it might have even been better before I got there. In this hobby red tape and hassle leads to 9's-10's sitting and waiting for you to show up. This has changed over the past 10 years or so bar girls are no longer sweet and have kind of a bar girl archetype you can still find gems every now and then but they soon get tainted and jaded. This is the reason I started to travel to Laos and myanmar for less ridden hookers where you can still find 9's-10's sitting around. While you might see the hassle as hassle for hassle sake it serves as a firewall to weed out half hearted mongers. Just means that if you do get in you will be rewarded with sweeter juice. I do not crochet, nor do yoga, nor do I protest anything, I only monger it is my only hobby and the only thing I give a shit about.
GoodEnough
08-21-21, 04:38
Per WC's recent post, it's a mistake to look for any sort of consistency in Covid response here, as the situation on the ground varies so dramatically both from city to city and, within cities, from barangay to barangay. Here in Davao, for example, which is (I think) now under the loosest form of quarantine, nothing much has changed since it was under the strictest designation. It appears that, over time, individual Filipinos have made their own decisions about risk vs reward and that most have opted for economic survival over isolation, albeit masking and social distancing appear to have become part of this city's social DNA. So, malls are open; small shops are open; traffic congestion has returned to pre-pandemic levels, and folks are evidently doing what they need to do to survive. At this point, approximately 15% of Davao's total population is vaccinated—with any one of several different vaccines—and the local government is doing a reasonable job the dispensing the vaccines it receives.
I think that the risk / reward calculation carries over into mongering decisions as well. In my case, I had plans to meet some old friends in Makati and then Angeles / Subic earlier this month. We're all of reasonably advanced ages and decided, in our collective case, that the risk / reward ratio remained too heavily skewed toward the "risk" element of the equation, despite the fact that we're all fully vaccinated, and despite the fact that the list of adorable young women awaiting our arrival was extensive. We simply made the decision that the anticipated pleasures were not worth the potential cost. Other, presumably younger, fitter guys may have made a different decision. The point is that the supply remains ample and, for those of us already here, the decision as to whether or not to take advantage of that fact is an individual one, as travel between cities does not represent much of a hassle.
My take is that, with the Delta variant now sounding a cautionary note throughout the country, the situation here will not change in the immediate future. I've seen nothing on any of the government websites indicating that the country is reconsidering opening its doors to foreign tourists anytime soon, but that could change overnight given that there's no basis here for predictability.
GE.
Member #4794
08-21-21, 04:40
One of the main reasons why FilAms go back to the Philippines or go for the first time is a death in the family (most of them have a line in their wills that they need to take them back to the Philippines plot as a condition in the will) and seeing as there has been a back log of FilAms either not being allowed entry and "fear" that the Philippines is just not safe. The FilAm community that I am keyed into here in the US are all making plans to go to phils around December of 2022. It is kind of eerie when you think about how many dead bodies are in the cargo hold of a FilAm heavy flight to phils. Given covid and 3 years of back logged funerals I think we see a giant surge in travel to phils due to this wave. FilAms are what you call arte they usually stay in the best hotels sometimes coincide with the hotels we stay in so I'm betting on some of these hotels being fully booked for the funeral wave.
Member #4794
08-21-21, 05:06
Did any one see this? Is this real? Or are they going to find some way to squash this?
"The bill states that the other grounds for divorce include: separation in fact for at least five years at the time the petition for absolute divorce is filed; when one of the spouses undergoes a gender reassignment surgery or transitions from one sex to another; irreconcilable marital differences as defined in the bill; other forms of domestic or marital abuse which are also defined in the bill; valid foreign divorce secured by either the alien or Filipino spouse; and a marriage nullified by a recognized religious tribunal. ".
"House panel approves absolute divorce bill".
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1150751
WestCoast1
08-21-21, 06:00
Did any one see this? Is this real? Or are they going to find some way to squash this?
"The bill states that the other grounds for divorce include: separation in fact for at least five years at the time the petition for absolute divorce is filed; when one of the spouses undergoes a gender reassignment surgery or transitions from one sex to another; irreconcilable marital differences as defined in the bill; other forms of domestic or marital abuse which are also defined in the bill; valid foreign divorce secured by either the alien or Filipino spouse; and a marriage nullified by a recognized religious tribunal. ".
"House panel approves absolute divorce bill".
https://www.pna.gov.ph/articles/1150751Yes, I have watched this topic in the news recently. It was bandied about the legislature a few years ago I think, and failed. Just out of committee now, it will probably fail again. Other gents who have lived here longer can comment.
WestCoast1
08-21-21, 07:27
My take is that, with the Delta variant now sounding a cautionary note throughout the country, the situation here will not change in the immediate future. I've seen nothing on any of the government websites indicating that the country is reconsidering opening its doors to foreign tourists anytime soon, but that could change overnight given that there's no basis here for predictability.GE and I continue with the same dreaded thoughts:
1) Re-opening to foreigners is too hard to call (we all mis-guessed it initially when we said late 2020, then early 2021, then middle 2021. . .).
2) It could happen tomorrow, or in 2025. Check this:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-return-to-office-january-2022-date-large-corporations/
From today's news (on several sites), Apple, Lyft, Google, Amazon, Doordash, Overstock and others are postponing US employees from returning to the office until at least next year. Big companies have also mis-guessed the situation, saying they would bring back workers early this year, then mid-year, or October, now looking at next year. From the article:
According to Bloomberg, Apple employees will be alerted one month before they must return to the office. They will be required to work at the office at least three days a week, with the option to work remotely on Wednesdays and Fridays, Bloomberg said. Apple did not immediately reply to CBS MoneyWatch's request for comment.
SNIP.
Lyft, which had been planning to bring workers back to its San Francisco headquarters next month, is now putting off their return "until we're in the clear," citing the uncertainty caused by the latest coronavirus wave. The ridesharing company does not expect its nearly 5,000 corporate workers to return to their offices until February 2, 2022, at the earliest.
"We anticipate the COVID situation will remain fluid for the upcoming months, making it difficult for us to land a clear return date without a possibility of moving it again," Lyft CEO and cofounder Logan Green said in a message to employees.
SNIP.
"I think we all thought six months ago that September was going to look good, but 'Miss Delta' was like, 'Yeah, I don't think so. You better check yourself,'" said Danielle Ompad, a professor of epidemiology at New York University.
To that end, Overstock, the online furniture retailer based in Midvale, Utah, close to Salt Lake City, has announced it won't bring workers back to the office any earlier than January 2022. Overstock had initially targeted Memorial Day in May as a return date for the company's more than 1,500 employees in customer service, marketing, merchandising, financial and technology roles.
3) When considering future visits to phils, one must consider the wild inaccurate guesses from US companies and our own Phils return inaccuracies. Several things will be happening at the same time. From my reading of posts here and also in PM, I get the impression that the gents think that the allowing in of foreigners for tourism will somehow coincide with the return of the previous way of life, things we took for granted -- gogo bars, street girls, dating site girls, live band / nightlife, alcohol on demand, providers, lunch or drinks at a bar with your mates (ie, Cheers / Burgos or other), and the biggie: A hotel / condo that will allow you to bring in girl after girl (existed before, but not so much now).
My unfortunate point is this. What is happening now, when GE / Beavis / Mdeade or other gives a current sit-rep. You should pay attention to those things. While its possible the (fickle) government will allow in tourists, those current cyclical anti-Covid restrictions will continue on. If the US can't get to herd immunity, how do we expect a superstitious country to do so? While the government here is doing an admirable job acquiring jabs and getting them into arms, we still have a large percentage of the population that is not wanting one (for any number of reasons). Its quite possible that the current state of affairs will still go on after allowing vaxxed foreigners into the country. Only the very serious, vaxxed, and dedicated mongers will come, quarantine, and live for a week or three in a hotel that allows him only 1 girl, using ST places for his excess girls.
Is this what you want to come to when it opens up? I would like to be wrong about this.
PedroMorales
08-21-21, 10:23
Here is what Pinoy overseas workers remit: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1242763/remittance-overseas-filipino-workers-by-country/.
Here is the GDP of the Philippines: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/philippines/gross-national-product.
Although I suspect the former figure is skewed by the normal US / Utah fixations, it is a fact that the Philippines, like Bangladesh etc, is heavily dependent upon Pinoys sending money home. A few stiffs in cargo are irrelevant.
The government of the Philippines must keep that large constituency of HK maids, Saudi shtt cleaners, Dubai hair dressers, Texan teachers, Norwegian nurses happy, or cash flows and job agencies will suffer. They are even on record time and again as saying that.
Self centred American mongers are not even an after thought in the bigger scheme of things.
Major international airlines are being kept afoat by governments buying bonds etc. Again, the Philippines is an after thought there.
Australia and NZ: anyone farts and it is an extended lock down.
The only hope is if some large country throws open the doors. Parts of the USA have done that but who in their right minds would want to go there?
Perhaps Africa is an option. Time to watch the Maltese Falcon again and look for new bolt holes.
One of the main reasons why FilAms go back to the Philippines or go for the first time is a death in the family (most of them have a line in their wills that they need to take them back to the Philippines plot as a condition in the will) and seeing as there has been a back log of FilAms either not being allowed entry and "fear" that the Philippines is just not safe. The FilAm community that I am keyed into here in the US are all making plans to go to phils around December of 2022. It is kind of eerie when you think about how many dead bodies are in the cargo hold of a FilAm heavy flight to phils. Given covid and 3 years of back logged funerals I think we see a giant surge in travel to phils due to this wave. FilAms are what you call arte they usually stay in the best hotels sometimes coincide with the hotels we stay in so I'm betting on some of these hotels being fully booked for the funeral wave.
Careful what you wish for. NCR (and I think Laguna) will have the last day of ECQ today, and move to MECQ tomorrow for Aug 21-31. Supposedly the Modified ECQ is a less-strict form of ECQ. Other gents here, do I have that right?There are 4 categories of quarantine in the Philippines, ECQ, MECQ, GCQ and MGCQ with ECQ being the most severe and MGCQ being the least restrictive. I believe that a 'modified' ECQ is a less strict form of ECQ.
Cebu City is currently under MECQ and has been since the beginning of this month. Prior to that it had been on MGCQ since September of last year.
All the malls are open, taxis, motorbike taxis, busses and jeeps are running, but there is an overnight curfew from 10 pm.
Restaurants are open for take out, dine-in is allowed if they have outdoor seating (many at the malls do have outdoor seating), but dine-in inside the restaurant is strictly not allowed.
Bars and pubs are not allowed to sell liquor, most if not all have closed, and last Monday they reintroduced the liquor ban at supermarkets and convenience shops. Fortunately for me a local convenience shop is still willing to sell me beer (I bought some this afternoon) but they have to be very discrete for obvious reasons.
Quarantine passes have not been used here for many months, I forget exactly when they were no longer required.
When MECQ was imposed at the beginning of this month the management at my condo building were obliged to reintroduce a ban on residents bringing visitors into the building, the s/t hotel near Robinsons Galleria that I occasionally use has closed but there is another one nearby that as of 9 August was still open.
Was looking for a reasonable fun in November in Philippines and Thailand. Including a supposedly virgin girl in Cebu.
All planning has been wasted. Contacts are put on shelves to be re hashed if they are still interested. All travel plans Post Phoned to March. Luckily all airlines honored without penalty. Hotel booking cancelled with no charge except one in Pattaya. If Thailand opens before November I may not have any luck getting refunded but it was for only two nights. If Thailand is still closed I will get refund.
Was planning to go to Cartagena in November. But decided to go to Costa Rica which I am very familiar with. Besides I had unused travel miles and credit. May make a quick trip to Sosua if curfew is lifted.
Was looking for a reasonable fun in November in Philippines and Thailand. Including a supposedly virgin girl in Cebu.
All planning has been wasted. Contacts are put on shelves to be re hashed if they are still interested. All travel plans Post Phoned to March. Luckily all airlines honored without penalty. Hotel booking cancelled with no charge except one in Pattaya. If Thailand opens before November I may not have any luck getting refunded but it was for only two nights. If Thailand is still closed I will get refund.
Was planning to go to Cartagena in November. But decided to go to Costa Rica which I am very familiar with. Besides I had unused travel miles and credit. May make a quick trip to Sosua if curfew is lifted.How did you find a virgin girl in Cebu, and also how do you trust that she is a virgin?
Member #4794
08-21-21, 20:20
How did you find a virgin girl in Cebu, and also how do you trust that she is a virgin?If you are into this sort of thing, there is an untapped legal (well over 21) group of "tomboys" specifically the girls who look like guys who usually have bar girl girlfriends are usually virgins in terms of never being with a man and they are not opposed to giving it up for a reasonable sum. Only thing you need to get around is that they look kind of like a man, you can find tomboys who do not look so much like men. If you are into cuckold this kind of also can fill that fantasy, tomboys will watch as well if you ask them to. I have been offered bar girls "tomboys" on several occasions and I may or may not have partaken in this. They are NOT turned on by the sex and will do it for the money so you kind of have to get out of it what you will. On the occasion that I may or may not have partaken in this the tomboy whispered something odd, "she" whispered right before I came "cum inside me" and thanked me after wards? I may or may not have knocked up a tomboy or 2. I have no problem being a sperm donor for a happy couple although they do come looking for you to HELP with the expenses allegedly.
EDIT: you will get VERY VERY VERY weird looks at the hotel just a heads up.
The government of the Philippines must keep that large constituency of HK maids, Saudi shtt cleaners, Dubai hair dressers, Texan teachers, Norwegian nurses happy, or cash flows and job agencies will suffer. They are even on record time and again as saying that.
It also works the other way. Do you think the nationalities mentioned are going to wash their own toilets?
Here the fruit industry has all but collapsed due to the lack of back packer slave workers who had to go Bush to keep their visas. Good luck getting an honest days manual labour out of a 19 yo here. Ain't going to happen. Better to stay at home paying Minecraft while getting the latest government assistance package.
Rant off.
How did you find a virgin girl in Cebu, and also how do you trust that she is a virgin?Of course, there are numerous sluts walking the streets who will blow your mind for the price of admission. That's the market that foreign mongers rely on. However, in suburbia and amongst the non-destitute, virginity isn't as much of a rarety. Of course, getting access to said girls is commensurately more difficult.
Queue all the "all Pinas are Slutts!" flamers. 😜.
Member #4794
08-22-21, 02:22
Although I suspect the former figure is skewed by the normal US / Utah fixations, it is a fact that the Philippines, like Bangladesh etc, is heavily dependent upon Pinoys sending money home. A few stiffs in cargo are irrelevant.
I think you misunderstood the post, I was not referring to its economic impact. When they do reopen they most likely will still be limiting the number of incoming flights / passengers and I expect heavier than usual bookings so an army of FilAms is not irrelevant imo. In the initial wave they will also soak up luxury services / hotels and as such will most likely unbalance demand. With in the Filipino diaspora FilAms are 4 million strong 4 x the Filipino population of Saudi and about the total all of the other Filipinos outside phils combined. When they do start to flood back in at least for US based mongers this does make a difference.
EDIT: Some of the places like the place I'm going in the eastern visayas which I will reveal in a report when I can finally get there only have one luxury resort and a hand full taxis. Overseas Philippines travel to their provinces unlike your normal tourists.
I think you misunderstood the post, I was not referring to its economic impact. When they do reopen they most likely will still be limiting the number of incoming flights / passengers and I expect heavier than usual bookings so an army of FilAms is not irrelevant imo. In the initial wave they will also soak up luxury services / hotels and as such will most likely unbalance demand. With in the Filipino diaspora FilAms are 4 million strong 4 x the Filipino population of Saudi and about the total all of the other Filipinos outside phils combined. When they do start to flood back in at least for US based mongers this does make a difference.
EDIT: Some of the places like the place I'm going in the eastern visayas which I will reveal in a report when I can finally get there only have one luxury resort and a hand full taxis. Overseas Philippines travel to their provinces unlike your normal tourists.From real past experiences OFW and Filipinos have never stayed in the same hotels I have stayed in nor fucked the same girls I have fucked. Meaning less prior BS rant.
PedroMorales
08-22-21, 08:40
It also works the other way. Do you think the nationalities mentioned are going to wash their own toilets?
Here the fruit industry has all but collapsed due to the lack of back packer slave workers who had to go Bush to keep their visas. Good luck getting an honest days manual labour out of a 19 yo here. Ain't going to happen. Better to stay at home paying Minecraft while getting the latest government assistance package.
Rant off.So true. Westerners are like lap dogs who have had all the dog groomed out of them. European fruit companies are criticised for hiring Bulgarian teams to pick their fruit and not locals. But the locals have notions. Same with bonking. Stare at the ceiling and think of England. SE Asians (or most I have bonked) just go for it, making us lift our game. Teens here complain they have been the hardest hit by Covid, even though they have just been discommoded. SE Asians OTOH have to queue for food and stress over little things.
Look at the price of bonking. Europe is 10 x the price of SE Asia for 10 x less effort and 10 x less time. And young Minecraft fatties say they are hard done by.
WestCoast1
08-23-21, 16:02
Another one of those BioSurveillance Reports. From August 11 and August 21, the10-day change in numbers. Delta variant:
Cases from 627 to 1273, increase of 103%. Deaths from 13 to 26, increase of 100%.
The other variants are up about 5%.
Another one of those BioSurveillance Reports. From August 11 and August 21, the10-day change in numbers. Delta variant:
Cases from 627 to 1273, increase of 103%. Deaths from 13 to 26, increase of 100%.
The other variants are up about 5%.Westie, I cannot see these tables on their website at https://pgc.up.edu.ph/pgc-covid-19-updates/. I want to understand what is the number they are sequencing. The table shows 3,500-4,000 sequenced in a week but DOH figures show they are recording 95,000 cases in a week. How random is their sampling?
How did you find a virgin girl in Cebu, and also how do you trust that she is a virgin?Like I said supposedly virgin. Would not know till I have sex with. She is definitely not tomboy. I have chatted with her many times cam to cam. Not a real beauty by any means. Maybe that is why she maybe a virgin.
My report is just out of frustration. With covid and its variants and Philippines and Thailand not open and maybe unlikely to open till next year.
Who knows by the time I go in March what will happen with virgin or anyone else. Girls are always here and now mode. I do not blame them. Previously I have supported girls for couple of years and they have given good service. At the same time I am under no illusion she is not fucking around or supporting her boyfriend. All those girls were really beautiful with nice bodies.
All the girls including virgin has suggested money donation which I politely refuse.
WestCoast1
08-24-21, 06:39
Westie, I cannot see these tables on their website at https://pgc.up.edu.ph/pgc-covid-19-updates/. I want to understand what is the number they are sequencing.On occasion those DOH-posted BioSurveillance reports would show up in the wastebook feed, just the picture with the raw numbers. I copied / pasted those pics and posted them here.
When I saw your post, I went to the DOH FB page (see first pic): https://www.facebook.com/OfficialDOHgov.
Then I scrolled down to the 7th or 8th post (see second pic) and found their most recent August 21 BioSurveillance report: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialDOHgov/photos/a.812487448762509/4717550311589517/.
Try going from there.
Surrounded by poon I have become interested in variants and viral load. #sumptinswrong.
On occasion those DOH-posted BioSurveillance reports would show up in the wastebook feed, just the picture with the raw numbers. I copied / pasted those pics and posted them here.
When I saw your post, I went to the DOH FB page (see first pic): https://www.facebook.com/OfficialDOHgov.
Then I scrolled down to the 7th or 8th post (see second pic) and found their most recent August 21 BioSurveillance report: https://www.facebook.com/OfficialDOHgov/photos/a.812487448762509/4717550311589517/.
Try going from there.
Surrounded by poon I have become interested in variants and viral load. #sumptinswrong.Cheers. I followed the fb links and found the screenshots.
Unfortunately some of the comments on the post have severely impact my intelligence and I do wonder about the future.
Meanwhile back to poon, here in Au I'm just having my one local filipina MILF to fuck and sadly it's not appropriate in the west to ask to access her 20 yo daughter. Whereas if I was sitting in a tacloban hotel it would seem a reasonable request.
WestCoast1
08-26-21, 23:15
Meanwhile back to poon, here in Au I'm just having my one local filipina MILF to fuckHaha bragging? Complaining?
On a note completely unrelated to poon or Covid, the attached pic. Apparently a high-speed beast is to be built to run from Manila directly to Clark airport. The advertisement does not say the location in Manila; a reasonable guess would be NAIA.
WestCoast1
08-27-21, 05:03
Here is a gem. Citations for mask-less, I understand, its the law. From the article:
At least 39,392 persons were accosted in Metro Manila for violating COVID-19 protocols since the region shifted to the less stringent modified enhanced community quarantine (MECQ)
The article was from several days ago. The number is now 50 k+ since Saturday.
TomJones06
08-27-21, 06:00
I'm retired Military Medically Retired currently live in Sosua Dominican Republic what Information are you looking for. To be honest I'm going to go to Thailand over the PI but if I can help I'd be glad to.Sorry for the late reply, had to do some underway time. I'm getting close to the end of the road and the state of the you. S leaves a lot to be desired. I've spent a lot of time in the PI over the years, so I know my pension + disability will go pretty far. I'm looking to see the experiences of others and formulate a game plan for when my time comes to hang up the uniform and migrate to greener pastures.
DzikaBomba
08-27-21, 08:05
Here we go. Duterte allowed Casinos in Boracay. The Chinese are warming up for there new Casino Heaven!
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/08/27/21/duterte-to-allow-gambling-in-boracay-for-govt-funds
Haha bragging? Complaining?
On a note completely unrelated to poon or Covid, the attached pic. Apparently a high-speed beast is to be built to run from Manila directly to Clark airport. The advertisement does not say the location in Manila; a reasonable guess would be NAIA.I thought that must just about be ready to launch. In Clark it was planned to arrive at SM Clark mall and then connect to NAIA. It was on the books when I was working there in 2018.
My Filipina MILF comment was a complaint. Just one option.
Soapy Smith
08-28-21, 08:21
Haha bragging? Complaining?
On a note completely unrelated to poon or Covid, the attached pic. Apparently a high-speed beast is to be built to run from Manila directly to Clark airport. The advertisement does not say the location in Manila; a reasonable guess would be NAIA.Typical big talk from Filipino leaders who hope to benefit from it. This has been on the books for a number of years. The Manila end is supposed to be Tutuban station in Manila City just west of the Divisoria shopping areas. Why? Because there is already a right of way from the defunct northern arm of the Philippine National Railway. In theory, even the southern arm proceeds up through Manila, crossing under LRT1 at Blumentritt, and then swings south to Tutuban. The right of way has seen people grab the rails of the old northern arm and cash them in for scrap metal. But the right of way is there and visible on Google Earth, dotted here and there with some squatter homes. The old northern PNR was a single narrow gauge rail, whereas the new line will be twin rails of standard gauge.
There is some Japanese authority that is supposed to be building the new line. Interestingly, about three years ago concrete overhead bridge structure was built through Malabon and Valenzuela, but it peters out as it gets into Bulacan Province. Following the old route, it is supposed to go through Malolos in Bulacan and on to Angeles and Clark Field.
But there are other folks opposed to a rail line to Clark, since there are competing interests planning a new international airport for either Bulacan or Cavite. I'm sure it will all unfold in the very near future, just like the new LRT station at Trinoma Mall intended to link the MRT, LRT1 and new lines headed out Commonwealth Avenue and another to transcend Quezon City headed to Recto. It's all right around the corner.
But there are other folks opposed to a rail line to Clark,..Easy to hold up a bus, much harder to hold up a high speed train. Below is a video a guy taking a homemade cart for a ride on train tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBedlFuKlSg
Soapy Smith
08-29-21, 21:22
Easy to hold up a bus, much harder to hold up a high speed train. Below is a video a guy taking a homemade cart for a ride on train tracks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBedlFuKlSgInteresting. Appears to be the narrow gauge southern arm of the PNR. Spent about 15 minutes hunting down the location. There is a Parian Road that transects the PNR at this angle in the Municipality of Calamba in Laguna Province. The low water river is presumably the San Juan River. Calamba had about 50,000 people, then it swelled to 80,000 over a span of three months ten years ago, because of relocating squatters from Metro Manila's flood-prone river banks. Calamba's officials had no say in the matter.
The relocation policy was a major failure because the relocation site had no nearby jobs, schools, or public transportation. Adults from the site simply returned to Manila during the week to find work, returning weekends to the family, and left kids behind in Calamba. Crime and teenage pregnancy spiked. Later some NGOs and the Catholic Church brought in livelihood centers, childcare, and social services.
Moral of the story: governments like the Philippines often apply knee-jerk solutions to problems that are much more complicated. The triggering event here was Typhoon Onday, which drowned a lot of squatters along the Marikina and Pasig Rivers and their tributaries. President Aquino blamed the squatters, claiming their homes blocked the normal flow of river water. He instructed the Department of Interior and Local Government to relocate them, even if it meant bulldozing down their shacks. So, geographic therapy: send them to some other unsuspecting local government and don't worry about problems like schools, transportation, and jobs.
Sorry. End of social studies lecture.
WestCoast1
08-30-21, 13:35
Six-day analysis, August 21 to August 27, for Delta. Cases up from 1273 to 1789, a 40% increase. Deaths up from 26 to 33, a 27% increase.
Dishonorable mention for P-3 variant: Cases up from 388 to 429, a 10% increase. The others are up about 5%.
Manila's MECQ extends for 2 more weeks.
WestCoast1
08-31-21, 02:22
HK stops PAL flights for 2 weeks.
https://www.philstar.com/headlines/2021/08/31/2123716/hong-kong-bans-pal-flights-2-weeks?fbclid=IwAR1YCMlfMlEv8qGXgUnNhyZrjE7XaP9L-cd5AiWsRLK9w9LKaO6_K6TopGg
From the article:
The two-week ban, according to the South China Morning Post report, was imposed after three of the seven COVID-19 cases confirmed in Hong Kong on Sunday were found to have come from PALs flight PR300 from Manila.
PAL said all three passengers, two Filipinos and one Chinese national, presented negative COVID-19 test results when they checked in for their flight.
Manila's MECQ extends for 2 more weeks.One week only until 7th. (For now).
Locamotive
09-01-21, 01:04
Six-day analysis, August 21 to August 27, for Delta. Cases up from 1273 to 1789, a 40% increase. Deaths up from 26 to 33, a 27% increase.
Dishonorable mention for P-3 variant: Cases up from 388 to 429, a 10% increase. The others are up about 5%.
Manila's MECQ extends for 2 more weeks.There was a piece on the news here (US) a few nights ago that some governments are taking a approach "learn to live with it" as far as COVID goes. This appears to be a sane policy moving forward. What some of these countries are doing is just crazy. Example. Deaths up to 26 and 33 . Really?? How many people live in Manila 15 million or so and 33 died. WOW! 33. I bet more die in car wrecks and other accidents than that. You cannot shut these countries down because someone might die. People die everyday from various things. But look though who is really dying. The old, sick and obese. Do the healthy die, sometimes but usually they recover. It will need to become the common flu which kills people every year and no one blinks a eye, if not this will never end. COVID will never completely go away. What they are doing is insane and destroying their people and their economies'.
Deaths up to 26 and 33 . Really?? How many people live in Manila 15 million or so and 33 died. WOW! 33. I bet more die in car wrecks and other accidents than that. You cannot shut these countries down because someone might die.I agree with you that a learn to live with it approach will be necessary before too many people starve to death. It would be interesting (perhaps a little morbid) to compare deaths from increased poverty to Covid19 deaths over the last 2 years. Especially so in poor economies like PI with no safety nets.
Unfortunately, your comparison to MVAs is not too applicable as a crashed car doesn't ricochet off and cause 3 other accidents. It's the exponential growth that has the authorities worried and why draconian remedies are being put in place. Look at how many areas went from few to thousands of cases in the blink of an eye. The biggest concern is if the disease spreads so much that it over runs limited heath services and then the sick can't even be treated and any form of control then falls apart: reports of India and Indonesia running out of oxygen, and PI running out of nurses.
Hopefully, we don't get too many mutations, vaccines limit the spread so that those that are sick can be treated before they infect others, reasonable controls can be put in place and be effective, and then the gates to Nirvana can reopen.
Fuckk I need a holiday. 😁.
WestCoast1
09-01-21, 11:04
Example. Deaths up to 26 and 33 . Really??
Unfortunately, your comparison to MVAs is not too applicable as a crashed car doesn't ricochet off and cause 3 other accidents. It's the exponential growth that has the authorities worried and why draconian remedies are being put in place. Look at how many areas went from few to thousands of cases in the blink of an eye. The biggest concern is if the disease spreads so much that it over runs limited heath services and then the sick can't even be treated and any form of control then falls apart: reports of India and Indonesia running out of oxygen, and PI running out of nurses.See pic. I think G is correct, the problem is not the number of deaths, it is the rapid growth rate. Over the six days mentioned, that was 27%. For a 7-day rate, that would be 30-31% (4. 5% per day). On my handy-dandy spreadsheet, I started with 33 deaths. I increased that weekly by 30%. While 33 deaths might be considered small in one week against 15 million people, unchecked after 6 months (24 weeks) that will be almost 18,000 deaths per week. That's just for Delta. I would say anyone would be crazy not to invest their money at this rate if they could.
There was a piece on the news here (US) a few nights ago that some governments are taking a approach "learn to live with it" as far as COVID goes. This appears to be a sane policy moving forward. What some of these countries are doing is just crazy.I think you are on to something. Duterte and other leaders have hinted at such. As you have many countries with a large % of their populations who won't consider vaccinating (regardless their reasons), eventually we all have to learn to live with it (no different than the flu). Do continued lockdowns stop the inevitable? Slow the inevitable? At what cost?
Added weight for this. I was reading an article last week with those stats, I wish I'd saved the link, ABS-CBN I think. They were running down the changes from ECQ to MECQ. The end of the article said that the IATF, the government's medical / science crew that makes recommendations on lockdown severity, has realized that the recent ECQ lockdown did not see the previous drops in covid cases. Cases went up even with a stricter curfew, alcohol bans, quarantine passes, etc. The IATF would like to recommend a different strategy, but the article didn't point out that new strategy (I am guessing there is no other strategy).
I work in direct health care in a large metropolitan hospital. We strive to save people's lives and discharge them in better health than when they entered. Some Covids come into the ICU and when they get better they are transferred to a regular care unit for the rest of their recuperation. For others the order is reversed and from the ICU their fate is the cold and lonely hospital morgue.
Lately we have become beleaguered by a spike in new Covid cases. A small anecdote explains the terrible situation. A guy runs away from a dog who is attacking him. He falls and sustains a head injury. He comes to the ER and placed on a stretcher awaiting treatment for his injuries. He is awake and alert.
However the ER is clogged by scores of individuals with the newly surging Covid. None of them had been vaccinated. The fellow with the head injury dutifully waits his turn. His mother notes that he is no longer awake and believes that he is sleeping. 4 hours later he is seen by the staff and we realize he is now comatose.
Now the hospital did nothing wrong. When assessing the walk-in patients the triage nurse correctly determined that the critically ill Covid patients had more immediate need than others. Perhaps they were at death's door.
In any event one cannot help the temptation to cast some blame on those unvaccinated infidels. Yet that is not our province to make moral judgements.
One of the hallmarks of our civilization is that we care for others, even jailed murderers and mongers.
The Rose. Having already had Covid why would I even entertain getting the jab, which doesn't stop one from contracting or spreading the pizza virus.
The Rose. Having already had Covid why would I even entertain getting the jab.
I can't speak for Rose but
Because you have a choice on your next entry to RP. You do want to go back to punter heaven and start enjoying some pinay action?
RP will for sure have entry requirements. You can get a taste already here https://www.philippineairlines.com/en/ph/home/covid-19/ArrivingInThePH/EligiblePaxForTravelToPH.
There will be the bunch of unvaccinated horny guys at some immigration counter being denied entry and arguing the toss. You can join them and argue your case there.
And it's only going to get harder for the unvaccinated as governments see this as a big stick approach. (once again, please reserve your arguments for the RP immigration counter.).
How motivating is the thought of unli 21 yo filipina available for 24 x 7 BBBJ with CIM, CIP & CIA?
Free jab v Pussy holiday. I'm already vaccinated and eagerly checking the travel pages daily.
There will be the bunch of unvaccinated horny guys at some immigration counter being denied entry and arguing the toss. You can join them and argue your case there.
It won't even get to that. Soon no airline will take the reputational risk of being flying Petri dishes and delivering 400 newly infected passengers because they accepted the unvaccinated.
Have a look at the decimated cruise industry after numerous onboard outbreaks.
WestCoast1
09-04-21, 02:32
Article regarding chances of contracting Covid after vaccination.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/breakthrough-infections-covid-19-coronavirus.html?te=1&nl=updates-from-the-newsroom&emc=edit_ufn_20210904
From the article:
Dr. Balters team has recently collected surveillance data that give us a clearer picture of the difference in risk to the vaccinated and unvaccinated as the Delta variant surged from May 1 through July 25. They studied infections in 10,895 fully vaccinated people and 30,801 unvaccinated people. The data showed that:
The rate of infection in unvaccinated people is five times the rate of infection in vaccinated people. By the end of the study period, the age-adjusted incidence of Covid-19 among unvaccinated persons was 315.1 per 100,000 people over a seven-day period compared to 63.8 per 100,000 incidence rate among fully vaccinated people. (Age adjustment is a statistical method used so the data are representative of the general population.)
The rate of hospitalization among the vaccinated was 1 per 100,000 people. The age-adjusted hospitalization rate in unvaccinated persons was 29.4 per 100,000.
Older vaccinated people were most vulnerable to serious illness after a breakthrough infection. The median age of vaccinated people who were hospitalized for Covid was 64 years. Among unvaccinated people who were hospitalized, the median age was 49.
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From the same article, referencing this study:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1.full
Regarding whether vaxxed persons can transmit to others (using viral load as indicator; Delta only):
Another study from Singapore looked at vaccinated and unvaccinated people infected with the Delta variant. The researchers found that while viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated workers are similar at the onset of illness, the amount of virus declines more rapidly in the vaccinated after the first week, suggesting vaccinated people are infectious for a shorter period of time.
FuriousGeorge
09-04-21, 10:26
It kind of seems like we can go back after Sept 5th if we are vaccinated. Am I wrong? That would be fantastic.
I can't speak for Rose but
Because you have a choice on your next entry to RP. You do want to go back to punter heaven and start enjoying some pinay action?
RP will for sure have entry requirements. You can get a taste already here https://www.philippineairlines.com/en/ph/home/covid-19/ArrivingInThePH/EligiblePaxForTravelToPH.
There will be the bunch of unvaccinated horny guys at some immigration counter being denied entry and arguing the toss. You can join them and argue your case there.
And it's only going to get harder for the unvaccinated as governments see this as a big stick approach. (once again, please reserve your arguments for the RP immigration counter.).
How motivating is the thought of unli 21 yo filipina available for 24 x 7 BBBJ with CIM, CIP & CIA?
Free jab v Pussy holiday. I'm already vaccinated and eagerly checking the travel pages daily.
PedroMorales
09-04-21, 15:37
https://www.philstar.com/business/2021/09/04/2124833/philippine-airlines-files-bankruptcy?fbclid=IwAR1AaVdUD595o_ca7779sbusWX1RyRWhE-dr2WwtJyVMSP55fNshDDJSRF4
I am surprised so few airlines have gone belly up. Anyway, this is just another nail into the mongering coffin.
I see no hope of banging LBFMs there for a long time (when I will definitely be past it). The first white trash to return would be the Ossies who have draconian lock down measures. Allowing Koreans have the keys to the candy store would lead to other issues when Covid outbreaks occur.
It kind of seems like we can go back after Sept 5th if we are vaccinated. Am I wrong? That would be fantastic.Depends on who are "we"? We = mongers NO. Mongers = tourist NO.
WestCoast1
09-05-21, 01:06
It kind of seems like we can go back after Sept 5th if we are vaccinated. Am I wrong? That would be fantastic.
Depends on who are "we"? We = mongers NO. Mongers = tourist NO.https://www.philippineairlines.com/en/ph/home/covid-19/ArrivingInThePH/EligiblePaxForTravelToPH
Filipinos yes. Foreigners if they are: 1) The spouse or parent of a Filipino; 2) Dual citizen; 3) Foreign government worker (possible Embassy staff, or NGO, and just guessing); 4) Seafarers with 9 (c) visa; 5) Those with eligible certificates, RC or CRPC (unclear to me what those are); 6) Those with eligible visas (seems unclear what that is); 7) Investors with special authority (unclear again).
#6 above, eligible visas. It does mention the 9 (a) visa. I think that is the normal Embassy-granted, 59-day, pre-arrival visa? It does mention having to follow IATF rules:
Conditions of the IATF-EID:
Must have a valid and existing visa at the time of entry unless otherwise stated in the table above.
With pre-booked accredited quarantine facility / hotel for at least 10 days at the traveler's expense*.
Must undergo RT-PCR testing on the 7th day of quarantine. Non-OFWs and non-Filipinos on PAL flights arriving in Manila will be swabbed by Detoxicare Molecular Diagnostics Laboratory for arrivals in NAIA Terminal 2, or by the Philippine Airport Diagnostics Laboratory for arrivals in NAIA Terminal 1. Those arriving in Laoag will be swabbed by Mariano Marcos Memorial Hospital and Medical Center. *.
*For fully vaccinated travelers, whether in the Philippines or abroad, stayed exclusively in Green list countries / jursidictions / territories in the last fourteen (14) days prior to arrival in the Philippines, may only hold a 7-night confirmed booking on a facility-based quarantine and shall undergo an RT-PCR test on the 5th day of their quarantine stay. The vaccination status must be independently verified / confirmed by Philippine authorities as valid and authentic upon the traveler's arrival in the country.
Albert9989
09-05-21, 07:20
https://www.philippineairlines.com/en/ph/home/covid-19/ArrivingInThePH/EligiblePaxForTravelToPH
Filipinos yes. Foreigners if they are: 1) The spouse or parent of a Filipino; 2) Dual citizen; 3) Foreign government worker (possible Embassy staff, or NGO, and just guessing); 4) Seafarers with 9 (c) visa; 5) Those with eligible certificates, RC or CRPC (unclear to me what those are); 6) Those with eligible visas (seems unclear what that is); 7) Investors with special authority (unclear again).
#6 above, eligible visas. It does mention the 9 (a) visa. I think that is the normal Embassy-granted, 59-day, pre-arrival visa? It does mention having to follow IATF rules:
[I]Conditions of the IATF-EID:
Must have a valid and existing visa at the time of entry unless otherwise stated in the table above.
With pre-booked accredited quarantine facility / hotel for at least 10 days at the traveler's expense*.Should we understand that fully vaccinated can enter Phil but with a 7 days quarantine and PCR test on the 5th day?
It won't even get to that. Soon no airline will take the reputational risk of being flying Petri dishes and delivering 400 newly infected passengers because they accepted the unvaccinated.
Have a look at the decimated cruise industry after numerous onboard outbreaks.I agree with that. I'm even advocating that we start limiting hospital resources. 80% of hospitals for the vaccinated people and 20% of health resources for the unvaccinated.
WestCoast1
09-06-21, 05:25
Should we understand that fully vaccinated can enter Phil but with a 7 days quarantine and PCR test on the 5th day?I would say not. Reason: This web page is created by PAL, an airline. Those entering the information are interpreting Phils BI visa / immigration information. Mistakes have been made before. Better to look on the Phils BI website, contact your nearest Phils consulate in your country, or contact your country's Department of State.
Here is the Philippines Consulate website in LOS Angeles. That pic is what pops up in the consulate's website:
https://www.philippineconsulatela.org/
Phils Bureau of Immigration:
https://immigration.gov.ph/
I agree with that. I'm even advocating that we start limiting hospital resources. 80% of hospitals for the vaccinated people and 20% of health resources for the unvaccinated.Never thought of that but it's actually a good idea: those that want to self insure against getting ill should not rely on the public purse to bail them out if their bet goes wrong.
Hasn't forgoing moral hazard gotten us into trouble before? 😏.
Hasn't forgoing moral hazard gotten us into trouble before? .We don't tend to see moral hazard mentioned in the Philippines forums.
This travel ban has given me some time to consider some of my decisions while I've been in Ph. Can't wait to get back.
CrowExplorer
09-06-21, 07:37
I agree with that. I'm even advocating that we start limiting hospital resources. 80% of hospitals for the vaccinated people and 20% of health resources for the unvaccinated.[Deleted by Admin] Should we start limiting resources to people who are overweight? Who smoke? People with STD's? A lot of people have allergic reactions to vaccines, and cannot take them at all. Others may not want to risk this new vaccine, in any case, it's really none of your business anyway.
PedroMorales
09-06-21, 07:58
It won't even get to that. Soon no airline will take the reputational risk of being flying Petri dishes and delivering 400 newly infected passengers because they accepted the unvaccinated.
Have a look at the decimated cruise industry after numerous onboard outbreaks.Airlines are petri dishes. I note you cannot see that. You want some sort of caste system where the pompous- mongers ffs. Get to do as they like on the presumption they are not at risk. El Al probably think differently as Israelis, who will soon be on their fourth jab, are currently in global pole position for spreading Covid.
Have you seen the Argentina Brazil match got suspended because four of the Argentinians came from England which is on Brazil's red list? They lied they flew from Colombia which is on Brazil's red list. Brazil is a petri dish. As is the Philippines. Let's check.
Argentina v Brazil: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=argentina+v+Brazil.
Global Covid rankings https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=argentina+v+Brazil.
Brazil in bronze place (the match was in Brazil). Israel and the Philippines motoring ahead.
Moral hazard says the guy who wants to go to the Philippines to bang paupers. I forget whether you are American (pole place in the covid wars) or Australian (Mad Max lock downs). Is self reflection against some Cheap Charlie code?
Trying to vaccinate the world is right out of a James Bond villain movie. As are the Bond villains who promote it. As regards mongers like you: you are just like kids who get jabbed tgo go to rock orgies or football supporters who take the jab to watch millionaires like Messi DFK after they score a goal.
SpirouleGroom
09-06-21, 12:07
I agree with that. I'm even advocating that we start limiting hospital resources. 80% of hospitals for the vaccinated people and 20% of health resources for the unvaccinated.You guys are hilarious. It's been 8 months now that this insane vaccine campaign have started and. You still keep your fingers crossed.
Have anything changed? Are you able to fly back to the Philippines?
Oh wait, yes things have changed. As a double vax you can't enter Portugal and Swede if you are from Israel.
Why? Because the situation there is out of control. The double vax are not considered vax anymore and not included in stats which is a relief since the majority of the hospitalized are double vax. Guys, you need your third jab to keep up with current events otherwise you are spreading the virus and I will ask you to keep your distance.
WestCoast1
09-06-21, 13:28
I would say not.To extend my thoughts.
Regarding tourists coming to Phils September 5. See first pic (A), this is the most recent set of announcements from the Phils Bureau of Immigration. Nothing listed there suggests tourists returning, in fact the Advisories claim that this or that item is intended to keep most foreigners out.
Second pic is an announcement of an extension of countries that are banned from traveling to Phils (as mentioned in the PAL article).
Last pic the recent Advisory. It lists the recent MECQ as the reason that the BI is running 30-50% capacity of employees (red box). The blue box mentions using the Online Appointment button for clients (like visa extensions; you can only get into the building with a previously-made electronic appointment, which you must show to the security guards to get into the BI). Frown face for the following reason. Once you click that button and go to make your appointment, you will see a calendar that shows for the next 2 months. However each appointment time will be in a red color, indicating that its already taken. GOOD LUCK!
I have a pinoy friend working in the BI. He lives in QC. Several times he has not been able to go to work due to local lockdowns in his Brgy, for several days at a time. When your skeleton crew forces you to limit client intake, then several of your employees can't come to work because of local lockdown, you and the clients are effed. Also I have noticed my last several visits to the BI that the guards outside are on a heightened sense of Covid (or other possible items). They can be brisk, aggressive, stand-offish, and unhelpful to even the simplest question. They are interested in only 1 thing: Can you confirm your appointment on your phone with your receipt (which has a QR code, your name, appointment date / time). If yes, fall in line and STFU; if not then go home and make an appointment online.
There really is a skeleton crew at the Intramuros BI. The place isn't overrun, its terribly understaffed. While everyone wants to come back, the idea of thousands of new tourists daily (many of whom will extend later) will just add to the chaos.
Soapy Smith
09-06-21, 21:15
Should we start limiting resources to people who are overweight? Who smoke? People with STD's? A lot of people have allergic reactions to vaccines, and cannot take them at all. Others may not want to risk this new vaccine, in any case, it's really none of your business anyway.It's everybody's business just like Typhoid Mary was everybody's business. I have four grandchildren between the ages of one and 10, and those who are too self-absorbed to get vaccinated endanger them. These kids have no defense against unvaccinated people communicating covid to them. The one-year-old has medical issues and would probably not survive covid.
Obesity is not mortally contagious to the non-obese. Where people smoke is regulated, and secondhand smoke is nowhere near as deadly as covid. Wearing seat belts is regulated, sometimes expensively.
Nobody I know is proposing that those who are allergic must take vaccines.
Here's another viewpoint; he doesn't exactly seem like one of the "liberal elite":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2Gq6ROvBkU
Soapy Smith
09-06-21, 21:38
The anti-vax debate reminds me of a poem my father sometimes recited when teaching me and my siblings to drive. Although there are other variations, this was my father's version:
"Here lies the body of Thomas Grey.
Who died defending his right of way.
He was dead right as he sped along.
But just as dead as if he'd been dead wrong."
Seems fitting for the last testimonials of anti-vaxxers lying at death's door because of covid.
OlderAndWiser
09-06-21, 21:59
Sadly the chickens are coming home to roost I've seen 3 RIP notices in the expat forums here in Cebu in the last couple of weeks alone. I had my own scare a couple of weeks ago (non covid) and bought a couple of Oxygen tanks (difficult to find a space in hospital here now and many don't have spare tanksanyhow.
The guy I bought them off had bought them for his Pinay wife (39) who sadly didn't make it leaving 3 kids. I lent the tanks to the grandpa of a GF here a week ago, but sadly he passed 2 days ago (mid 60's).
The anti-vax debate reminds me of a poem my father sometimes recited when teaching me and my siblings to drive. Although there are other variations, this was my father's version:
"Here lies the body of Thomas Grey.
Who died defending his right of way.
He was dead right as he sped along.
But just as dead as if he'd been dead wrong."
Seems fitting for the last testimonials of anti-vaxxers lying at death's door because of covid.
PedroMorales
09-06-21, 22:10
It's everybody's business just like Typhoid Mary was everybody's business. I have four grandchildren between the ages of one and 10, and those who are too self-absorbed to get vaccinated endanger them. These kids have no defense against unvaccinated people communicating covid to them. The one-year-old has medical issues and would probably not survive covid.
Obesity is not mortally contagious to the non-obese. Where people smoke is regulated, and secondhand smoke is nowhere near as deadly as covid. Wearing seat belts is regulated, sometimes expensively.
Nobody I know is proposing that those who are allergic must take vaccines.
Here's another viewpoint; he doesn't exactly seem like one of the "liberal elite":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2Gq6ROvBkUI had Covid. I didn't run, walk or crawl to any tik tok dancing hospital, though I do know some that did. He has raised over 100 K $ so far with his foul mouth and his sob sob story. Living in a backward country like America, he has to go begging bowl in hand to pay for his wife.
Smoking is a filthy, anti-social addiction. I have no time for smokers, cigarette companies or their apologists. Even thinking about them makes me homicidal. Obese people. Fat shaming, what a joke. Though Africans do like theirs on the big side.
I have a fair idea where I picked up the virus and I have taken steps to avoid such occasions of sin in the future. I am ok for the next few months and I will see how Israelis get on with their sixth, sevant and eight boosters. Real Bill Gates upgrades there.
Americans are mortal dangers to the rest of us in Covid as in much else. One only has to see American College kids partying in Florida on their interminable breaks to see what a petri dish the USA in. Kensington Ave in Philly anyone? They and much of the rest of the dumbed down world see vaccinations as a comfort blanket and their inner Nazi comes out, roaring at the rest of us.
I am socially responsible, I stay miles away from the vulnerable and limit social contact. I do know, however, that this will be a horrendous winter as others spread Covid, flus, cold and the clap and try to blame it on me and not on the house parties and junkies that keep the cops busy and afraid (they deal with the super spreaders on a daily basis and are hard hit, which affects their tik tok dancing).
The solution lies in copying the good people of China and Vietnam who understand lockdowns and social responsibility, not the Big Mac lardheads of the USA. It was the anniversary of Ho Chi Minh's untimely death (smoker) a few days ago and the great General Giap would now be 110 if he had not been taken away from us in 2013. Vietnam defeated the USA and it defeated Covid and have plans for recovery (though fatalities are back up) https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-prepares-to-live-safely-with-covid-pm-4351981.html.
China, meanwhile, seems to be in control. I know people who work there and they said it is steady: Just avoid Yanks.
SE Asia, the Philippines, has been ravaged by the USA. I shudder to think what lies ahead for them.
But, as long as Big Pharma wins, why worry?
We don't tend to see moral hazard mentioned in the Philippines forums.
Moral hazard says the guy who wants to go to the Philippines to bang paupers.Guys, just for clarity, the term 'moral hazard' isn't a ethical judgement. It's when a group makes a choice knowing that an incorrect choice will have no down side. Ref banks piling on debt and risk in the 2008 Financial Collapse knowing that they would be bailed out if their bet lost.
The parallel to vaccinations is that someone will be there to bail them out, should they make the wrong call, so there is less incentive to think about the risks.
Airlines are petri dishes. I note you cannot see that. You want some sort of caste system where the pompous- mongers ffs.Perhaps reread my post I was the one who referred to planes as 'petri dishes' and compared them to cruise liners because they are ideal breeding grounds for any contagious disease including Covid.
Where did I recommend that mongers should get a free pass? I don't expect ANYONE to be flying soon.
There is a big difference between me wanting to go party and being able to. Doesn't stop me daydreaming. 😁.
Mr Enternational
09-07-21, 01:22
Brazil is a petri dish.I have been having a better time in this petri dish that is Brazil for the last couple of weeks than I would have being couped up somewhere hoping for the angel of covid to pass by and stay gone forever. Seize the day or sit around waiting for an uncertain future.
WestCoast1
09-07-21, 02:33
I have been having a better time in this petri dish that is Brazil for the last couple of weeks than I would have being couped up somewhere hoping for the angel of covid to pass by and stay gone forever. Seize the day or sit around waiting for an uncertain future.Touche!
Manila jumps out of MECQ tomorrow, and falls back to the less-restrictive GCQ. The cycle continues.
https://news.abs-cbn.com/news/09/06/21/ncr-goes-down-to-gcq-10-areas-under-mecq-on-sept-8-30?fbclid=IwAR1jSrkE945peXgz-MSay4e11oq1AgF89k7qIphmVxuIoPtLcd31HtR_rKc
From the article:
Metro Manila will go down to general community quarantine (GCQ), the Philippines' second-loosest lockdown level, from Sept. 8 until the end of the month, while 10 other areas in the country will be under modified enhanced community quarantine (MECQ) during the same period, Malacaang said on Monday.
WestCoast1
09-07-21, 02:41
SNIP which is a relief since the majority of the hospitalized are double vax. SNIPSG, do you have a link or evidence of that info (majority of the hospitalized are double vax)?
Mr Enternational
09-07-21, 03:01
SG, do you have a link or evidence of that info (majority of the hospitalized are double vax)?I do not know any numbers, but I recently postedin another thread a White House briefing of the CDC director saying the shit is not working in Israel. Nobody seems to pay it any attention though. Also 2 top US FDA officials quit last week because the administration is trying to push a 3rd jab and they are not sure whether or not it will be safe to do so. I managed to find the video. It is from minute 40 to 41.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVGAPuruoQ&list=WL&index=12&t=859s
FuriousGeorge
09-07-21, 03:56
This is just simply not true. My best friend runs the ER at a major LA hospital. This friend told me just 2 days ago that essentially EVERYONE they see for covid is unvaccinated. They ask everyone. This is my friend. Who is there every day. This friend has no agenda.
SG, do you have a link or evidence of that info (majority of the hospitalized are double vax)?
PedroMorales
09-07-21, 07:15
I have been having a better time in this petri dish that is Brazil for the last couple of weeks than I would have being couped up somewhere hoping for the angel of covid to pass by and stay gone forever. Seize the day or sit around waiting for an uncertain future.You obviously don't play English Premier League. The Argentina Brazil game was called off mid game because four of La Albiceleste ply in England. Were you at the game?
WestCoast1
09-07-21, 13:58
And we gots us a backtrack.
https://www.rappler.com/nation/duterte-government-backtracks-extends-modified-ecq-metro-manila-september-2021?fbclid=IwAR0CLo3IDvT_-qRhp7886mscFrZPaCraVQcvTKf9SDD6AX6ctP2pEX1JfHQ
From the article:
In a last-minute backtrack, the Philippines' coronavirus task force retained the modified enhanced community quarantine (MECQ) in Metro Manila until September 15, delaying the expected transition of the capital region to a new lockdown system.
"Metro Manila's current risk classification as MECQ shall be maintained until September 15, 2021, or until the pilot (general community quarantine) with alert level system is implemented, whichever comes first," Presidential Spokesperson Harry Roque confirmed on Tuesday, September 7.
"Having said this, indoor and al-fresco dine-in services, and personal care services, including beauty salons, beauty parlors, and nail spas shall remain prohibited," he added.
Mr Enternational
09-07-21, 17:03
You obviously don't play English Premier League. The Argentina Brazil game was called off mid game because four of La Albiceleste ply in England. Were you at the game?I don't watch sports. I am too busy hanging out in the real world. 5 minutes from now I will be looking at bikinis on the beach alongside my honey. But you enjoy watching the guys in shorts running around kicking a ball on TV. Hope your team wins and you are awarded something good from it.
PedroMorales
09-07-21, 21:01
I don't watch sports. I am too busy hanging out in the real world. 5 minutes from now I will be looking at bikinis on the beach alongside my honey. But you enjoy watching the guys in shorts running around kicking a ball on TV. Hope your team wins and you are awarded something good from it.FIFA is a $5 bn industry. Small beans perhaps to you. I was just expressing surprise the Covid rules that apply to Argentinian millionaires who are central to an event all of Latin America is fixated on do not seem to apply to you. The capture of the four footballers on the field of play was a major world story. In the real world at least.
Mr Enternational
09-07-21, 23:45
I was just expressing surprise the Covid rules that apply to Argentinian millionaires who are central to an event all of Latin America is fixated on do not seem to apply to you. The capture of the four footballers on the field of play was a major world story. In the real world at least.There you have it. I am a peon and no eyes are on me versus the millions on them. And no matter the millions they have, they are considered the investments of someone with billions.
Give me the money over the fame any day. It was the talk of the world when Justin Beiber was in the fuck house here. I have been countless times and it appears nobody has given a shit yet.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2485218/amp/Justin-Bieber-caught-sneaking-brothel-covered-bedsheets-Brazil-Believe-world-tour.html
Soapy Smith
09-08-21, 06:39
Americans are mortal dangers to the rest of us in Covid as in much else. One only has to see American College kids partying in Florida on their interminable breaks to see what a petri dish the USA in. Kensington Ave in Philly anyone? They and much of the rest of the dumbed down world see vaccinations as a comfort blanket and their inner Nazi comes out, roaring at the rest of us.
The solution lies in copying the good people of China and Vietnam who understand lockdowns and social responsibility, not the Big Mac lardheads of the USA.
China, meanwhile, seems to be in control. I know people who work there and they said it is steady: Just avoid Yanks.
SE Asia, the Philippines, has been ravaged by the USA.
But, as long as Big Pharma wins, why worry?I am embarrassed at many of the unwise international "interventions" the US has entered into, but damn, somebody in the states must have really stepped on your toes. If the US military was beaten by little old North Vietnam and tribal Afghanistan, why do you see the US as being so all powerful in spreading covid? Have you considered getting some help to figure out why you're so angry?
"Spring break" is not interminable. It occurs specifically in the Spring, in March and April, depending on when various colleges further north let their students out for a week of spring intermission. It may appear interminable from the outside, but a variety of colleges set their spring break dates at different times because their semesters begin at various dates in January and end anywhere from late April to late May.
Albert9989
09-08-21, 10:46
This is what is written in https://philippines.travel/safetrip.
Should we consider that entry is possible?
But only in the GCQ and MGCQ areas?
I had Covid. I didn't run, walk or crawl to any tik tok dancing hospital, though I do know some that did. He has raised over 100 K $ so far with his foul mouth and his sob sob story. Living in a backward country like America, he has to go begging bowl in hand to pay for his wife.
The solution lies in copying the good people of China and Vietnam who understand lockdowns and social responsibility, not the Big Mac lardheads of the USA. It was the anniversary of Ho Chi Minh's untimely death (smoker) a few days ago and the great General Giap would now be 110 if he had not been taken away from us in 2013. Vietnam defeated the USA and it defeated Covid and have plans for recovery (though fatalities are back up) https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-prepares-to-live-safely-with-covid-pm-4351981.html.
China, meanwhile, seems to be in control. I know people who work there and they said it is steady: Just avoid Yanks.
SE Asia, the Philippines, has been ravaged by the USA. I shudder to think what lies ahead for them.
But, as long as Big Pharma wins, why worry?Just wait until December and January 2022 when you will see large crowds of Chinese at sporting events telling the world that Beijing will be safe for the Olympics. They are not going to be avoiding any "Yanks" or those who look like them but will be begging for flights to start back flying to bring people in for the games.
Albert9989
09-08-21, 23:11
This is what is written in https://philippines.travel/safetrip.
Should we consider that entry is possible?
But only in the GCQ and MGCQ areas?This is the regulation for entries: https://iatf.doh.gov.ph/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/20210903-IATF-136-B-RRD.pdf.
Whereas, IATF Resolution No. 123-see (s. 2021) issued on 28 June 2021, superseded.
By IATF Resolution No. 128-A (s. 2021) provided for the governing guidelines of inbound.
International travel to any port of the Philippines of all individuals fully vaccinated in the.
Philippines regardless of travel history, and those vaccinated abroad who stayed exclusively in.
"Green" countries / jurisdictions in the past fourteen days immediately preceding arrival — with.
"Green" countries / jurisdictions being those classified by the Department of Health (DOH) as.
"Low Risk" countries based on a set incidence rate.
So for vaccinated people abroad, they are authorized to enter only if they stayed in the green countries for the past 14 days.
List of green countries:
GREEN list.
American Samoa Anguilla Australia.
Benin Burkina Faso Cameroon.
Cayman Islands Chad China.
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Comoros Republic of the Congo Djibouti.
Equatorial Guinea Falkland Islands (Malvinas) Gabon.
Grenada.
Hong Kong (Special.
Administrative Region of.
China) Hungary.
Mali Federated States of MicronesiaMontserrat.
New Caledonia New Zealand Niger.
Northern Mariana Islands Palau Poland.
Saba Saint Pierre and Miquelon Sierra Leone.
Sint Eustatius Slovakia Taiwan.
WestCoast1
09-09-21, 01:38
This is what is written in https://philippines.travel/safetrip.
Should we consider that entry is possible?
But only in the GCQ and MGCQ areas?Couple of thoughts. I read thru the various requirements for entry on that website (it seems to be a Phils DOT-related site). Yet, no change on the Phils BI website (still not showing any allowance for foreign tourists. Few things could be more confusing than this.
While the website you mentioned discusses MCQ / ECQ travel restrictions, I would remind everyone that these can change in a heartbeat. As an example, a few days ago I reported here that the NCR was going from MECQ (strict) to GCQ (less strict) the following day (as reported in major news outlets here). A few hours later that had changed, NCR was staying in MECQ for another week. Also, depending on then-current Covid numbers in the future, various locations can lock down unexpectedly.
The website speaks to inter-city or point-to-point travel requirements. These can also change overnight. Planning Manila and AC? Manila and Cebu? One city only?
Also when I searched 'Philippines Department of Tourism', I got 3 different websites. How can there be 3 websites for one agency?
http://tourism.gov.ph/general_information.aspx
https://beta.tourism.gov.ph/
http://www.experiencephilippines.org
If anyone gets more intel, please report here.
WestCoast1
09-09-21, 02:57
More on hospitalizations and vaccines. Article from the CDC, of 43,000 cases in LOS Angeles County (see first pic):
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e5.htm
From the article:
During May 1July 25, 2021, among 43,127 SARS-CoV-2 infections in residents of Los Angeles County, California, 10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431 (3.3%) were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801 (71.4%) were in unvaccinated persons. On July 25, infection and hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons were 4.9 and 29.2 times, respectively, those in fully vaccinated persons. In July, when the Delta variant was predominant, cycle threshold values were similar for unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, and vaccinated persons.
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Regarding vaccines vs natural Covid infection. Article from the CDC (second pic).
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html
From the article:
The study of hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021 found that those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. The findings suggest that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection.
Additionally, a second publication from MMWR shows vaccines prevented COVID-19 related hospitalizations among the highest risk age groups. As cases, hospitalizations, and deaths rise, the data in todays MMWR reinforce that COVID-19 vaccines are the best way to prevent COVID-19.
Let's look at a simpler explanation of comparing the vaccinated vs. The unvaccinated. This graph is from the state of Indiana for this past year. I believe you would see a similar result no matter what population was examined. The bottom line is that these vaccines are extremely effective in preventing serious disease and death.
Albert9989
09-09-21, 09:02
Couple of thoughts. I read thru the various requirements for entry on that website (it seems to be a Phils DOT-related site). Yet, no change on the Phils BI website (still not showing any allowance for foreign tourists. Few things could be more confusing than this.
While the website you mentioned discusses MCQ / ECQ travel restrictions, I would remind everyone that these can change in a heartbeat. As an example, a few days ago I reported here that the NCR was going from MECQ (strict) to GCQ (less strict) the following day (as reported in major news outlets here). A few hours later that had changed, NCR was staying in MECQ for another week. Also, depending on then-current Covid numbers in the future, various locations can lock down unexpectedly.
The website speaks to inter-city or point-to-point travel requirements. These can also change overnight. Planning Manila and AC? Manila and Cebu? One city only?
Also when I searched 'Philippines Department of Tourism', I got 3 different websites. How can there be 3 websites for one agency?
http://tourism.gov.ph/general_information.aspx
https://beta.tourism.gov.ph/
http://www.experiencephilippines.org
If anyone gets more intel, please report here.Yes, you are right, first time I try to get some intel by myself and clearly its a bit difficult to understand what they accept or not.
More than that, as every status can change in a minute for any region, going there one day where its open you have a very strong risk to be closed in an area without any possibility to get out.
But afterall, being closed there could also be not so bad. Depending of the availability to meet some chicks there.
But clearly still not enough stable for me.
One good point, is that when I chat with many girls there, I find more and more that are vaccinated twice, but its improving very slowly.
WestCoast1
09-09-21, 10:32
So for vaccinated people abroad, they are authorized to enter only if they stayed in the green countries for the past 14 days.
List of green countries:
GREEN list.
American Samoa Anguilla Australia.
Benin Burkina Faso Cameroon.
Cayman Islands Chad China.
Comoros Republic of the Congo Djibouti.
Equatorial Guinea Falkland Islands (Malvinas) Gabon.
Grenada.
Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region of China) Hungary.
Mali Federated States of MicronesiaMontserrat.
New Caledonia New Zealand Niger.
Northern Mariana Islands Palau Poland.
Saba Saint Pierre and Miquelon Sierra Leone.
Sint Eustatius Slovakia Taiwan.I have seen this Green List. Does that mean mongers will need to stay in one of these before coming to Phils? Looks like Beavis, Screaming Beaver, Mdemde and I will not have much competition for a long time. Hong Kong / Taiwan -- must one simply traverse thru there, say, on Eva Airlines? Hungary is on the list?
As said before, this system of one Phils agency (Tourist Dept) putting out confusing information, along with the BI not being clear, is both not atypical, and maddening. Sorry fellas, I don't mean to continually throw cold water on it, but there are so many stinking holes to jump through (which change often). Imagine if thousands of gent book airline / hotel tickets next week, only to show up at their long flight airport to be turned away by EVA, KAL, or such as tourist season is not yet allowed. Or worse, they are not turned away at the check-in counter, but they are turned away at the Phils Immigration line at their arrival airport.
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Novel thought: Somebody call EVA or KAL (or a travel agent or PAL) and ask if you can purchase a ticket to Phils next week. Here's another idea, somebody call or mail the NCR Dept. Of Tourism:
WOODROW MAQUILING JR.
Regional Director, Department of Tourism-NCR.
Director, DOT-National Capital Region (NCR) Regional Office 2nd Flr The New DOT Bldg. , 351 Sen. Gil Puyat Ave. Makati City.
Tel. No. : (632) 459-5200 to 459-5230 Loc. (212 and 232).
Tourist Information Center Tel. No. : (632) 459-5200 to 5230 Loc. 102.
Centennial Tel. No. : (632) 887-1109 Loc. 2280.
NAIA Airport Tel. No. : (632) 832-2964/551-0698/551-2554.
NAIA Lobby Tel. No. : (632) 852-2191/852-1165.
Airport Fax No. : (632) 853-1687.
E-Mail: dotncr@tourism.gov.ph.
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Here's another: Phils DOT in Australia:
Ms. Eleanor Palima, Officer-in-Charge.
Australia.
Other areas of jurisdiction: New Zealand.
Suite 11.01, Level 11,92 Pitt Street, Sydney, NSW 2000, Australia.
Work Phone: +61 2 9221 1344.
E-mail Address: info@morefuninthephilippines.com.au / ely@morefuninthephilippines.com.au.
Website: www.tourismphilippines.com.au.
Facebook: www.facebook.com/TourismPhilippines.anz.
Twitter: www.twitter.com/PhilippinesANZ.
Youtube: www.youtube.com/user/DOTPhilippinesANZ.
Pinterest: www.pinterest.com/Philippinesaunz.
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And for the Brits:
Mr. Gerard Panga, Tourism Attach.
UNITED KINGDOM.
Other areas of jurisdiction: Spain, Italy, Nordics, Ireland, Portugal, Turkey, Israel.
2nd Floor, 10 Suffolk Street, London SW1 why 4 HG, United Kingdom.
Ms. Katherine Alcantara, Tourism Officer.
Work Phone: +44 20 7321 0668.
Mobile Number: (44) 7478 676305.
Fax Number: +44 20 7925 2920.
E-mail Address: info@itsmorefuninthephilippine.co.uk / gerry@itsmorefuninthephilippines.co.uk / kat@itsmorefuninthephilippines.co.uk.
Website: www.itsmorefuninthephilippines.co.uk.
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And finally the USA (side note: the address here is on Wilshire Blvd, Los Angeles; so is the Phils Consulate, quite possibly in the same building):
Mr. Richmond Patrick L. Jimenez, Tourism Attach.
LOS ANGELES, USA.
Other areas of jurisdiction: Arizona, Arkansas, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Nevada / Las Vegas, Southern California, New Mexico, Texas, Latin America.
3250 Wilshire Blvd. , Suite 707, LOS Angeles, California, 90010, USA.
Ms. Fay Lena Castro, Tourism Officer.
Work Phone: +1 213 487 4525.
Fax Number: +1 213 386 4063.
Email: richmond@philippinetourismla.org / fay@philippinetourismla.org.
Website: www.philippinetourismusa.com.
Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/philippinetourismusa.
Twitter - https://twitter.com/PHTourismUSA.
Linkedin - https://www.linkedin.com/company/philippinetourismusa.
Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/Phtourismusa.
Albert9989
09-09-21, 15:47
Thanks a lot westcoast for all these explanation on something which is very unclear.
In fact I posted this to get opinions of people here, and I was sure that you would clarify, so thanks to try to clarify all these very unclear info.
So I continue to wait.
WestCoast1
09-10-21, 03:45
Thanks a lot westcoast for all these explanation on something which is very unclear.
In fact I posted this to get opinions of people here, and I was sure that you would clarify, so thanks to try to clarify all these very unclear info.
So I continue to wait.Welcome. Albert, clear out your Inbox.
Albert9989
09-10-21, 06:30
Welcome. Albert, clear out your Inbox.Thanks cleaning done.
WestCoast1
09-11-21, 12:05
Should we have a separate thread? 'Covid Info', or such?
Hotspots Tondo and Sampaloc. Pic is from: https://www.facebook.com/ManilaPIO.
WestCoast1
09-11-21, 13:33
From the Phils Bureau of Immigration FB page, regarding tourists. It mentions the red list and the green list, but the only thing of interest here to note for us is a paragraph near the very bottom:
The general travel restrictions is still in effect. Only Filipinos, balikbayans, and foreigners with valid and existing visas are allowed to enter the Philippines, said Capulong. Those holding tourists visas remain restricted from entering, he clarified.
https://www.facebook.com/officialbureauofimmigration/photos/a.526923357446376/2109411965864166/
11 September 2021
PRESS RELEASE
Travelers from 9 countries included in Red List to be barred entry BI
Manila, PHILIPPINES Officials of the Bureau of Immigration (BI) announced on Saturday, the implementation of the temporary travel ban of passengers coming from 9 countries starting September 12.
The countries include Azerbaijan, Guadeloupe, Guam, Israel, Kosovo, Montenegro, North Macedonia, Saint Lucia, and Switzerland.
In an advisory, BI Commissioner Jaime Morente said that, following the recent directive from Malacaang, as recommended by the Inter-Agency Task Force for the Management of Emerging Infectious Diseases (IATF-MEID), passengers coming from, or who have been in the said countries within the last 14 days prior to their arrival to the Philippines, shall temporarily be barred entry.
Morente further said that passengers already in transit from the 9 countries who will arrive before the implementation of the travel ban may be allowed to enter, subject to existing policies of the Bureau of Quarantine (BOQ).
BI Port Operations Division Chief Atty. Carlos Capulong shared that Filipinos arriving from countries under the red list under government or non-government repatriation programs or bayanihan flights, may be allowed entry but shall undergo a strict 14-day facility based quarantine, and be required a Reverse Transcription-Polymerase Chain Reaction (RT-PCR) test that will be monitored by the BOQ.
Capulong added that those who had a mere layover at the 9 countries are not covered by the travel ban.
The travel ban is set to take effect by 12:00 AM of September 12 until 11:59 PM of September 18, 2021.
Meanwhile, Capulong shared the countries under the green list as provided by the IATF. These include American Samoa, Anguilla, Australia, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cayman Islands, Chad, China, Comoros, Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Falkland Islands (Malvinas), Gabon, Grenada, Hong Kong (Special Administrative Region of China), Hungary, Mali, Federated States of Micronesia, Montserrat, New Caledonia, New Zealand, Niger, Northern Mariana Islands, Palau, Poland, Saba, Saint Pierre and Miquelon, Sierra Leone, Sint Eustatius, Slovakia and Taiwan.
Capulong clarified that aliens coming from the green list do not automatically qualify for entry to the Philippines.
The general travel restrictions is still in effect. Only Filipinos, balikbayans, and foreigners with valid and existing visas are allowed to enter the Philippines, said Capulong. Those holding tourists visas remain restricted from entering, he clarified.
According to the BI advisory, countries not in the red or green list are automatically included in the yellow list. Those coming from the yellow list are likewise subject to the general travel restrictions, and will be have to undergo quarantine and testing protocols, as implemented by the BOQ.
#ProtectPHBorders
#BeatCOVID19
#WeHealAsOne
#BureauofImmigration
#ImmigrationHelplinePH
Nice Guy 99
09-11-21, 15:59
Should we have a separate thread? 'Covid Info', or such?That's a good idea.
Should we have a separate thread? 'Covid Info', or such?...Yes! Suggested thread title: CDC Public Relations".
Since there's not enough of it 24/7 everywhere else, we could have hot links to the latest CDC statistics, World Health Organization PR, and stuff like that. Links to deal with the “anti vaxers” and vaccine hesitancy problem. Hell, maybe we even could sell stock options. Or how about let Pfizer run pop up ads like these Stripchat things! Maybe even mandate a digital Health app to login so we don't have Petri dishes trolling the site. Haha.
I'm on a roll. . How bout even a competing thread, call it Tin Foil Chit Chat. All the conspiracy theorists and freedom freaks worried about wrecking their immune system, stronger variants escaping the immune system due to the shots, a looming scientific dictatorship, and stuff like that can congregate and propagate their misinformation. Share links to quacks like Robert F Kennedy's Children's Health Defense and the Great Barrington Declaration! Haha. Thanks Westy, love you man. By the way, happy Day The World Began Day! (911).
Westy, that little rant below was rather sarcastic but it was in no way meant as a jab at you. I super appreciate the guys like you, GE, Advan and others who are on the ground reporting. It's great to hear what's actually happening, and keeping this forum alive. If I had anything more useful to add, I'the chime in. Thanks man!
GoodEnough
09-12-21, 04:08
I thought about pasting a few links here to the government reports that seem to proliferate daily on various local websites, but I decided against it since doing so might add to the confusion of those trying to draw an accurate set of conclusions about the situation here. While it's difficult to present a clear, data-based picture of what's happening throughout the country it appears (should be in italics) that the situation is worsening; at best it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Davao, where I live, escaped more stringent lockdowns until a couple of days ago when more severe measures were imposed. CdO, where a good friend of mine lives, is also heavily restricted (in theory), as is most of MetroManila. Some of the more rural areas in which I also have friends, appear to be restricting movements sporadically. That said, at least here in Davao, regardless of the "official" categorization, day-to-day life doesn't seem to change much. That is, stores are still open, bars are still closed, restaurants have limited capacity and are mostly empty to sparsely populated. Virtually everyone is masked all of the time, while driving (even alone in the car), walking, in retail establishments or anywhere else out in public. Given the dearth of people I've observed in the larger malls here, the closure of restaurants (including our own), and the number of "space available" signs throughout the city, I conclude that the economy is struggling, but I've seen nothing official from the city government. The official statistics from the Department of Labor and Employment stated last month that the unemployment rates is 4. 9% I do not find this to be a credible number.
According to the national government, about 15% of the population is fully vaccinated, though whether that's a percentage of the eligible population or to total population isn't clear to me. Davao continues to create widespread distribution networks for the vaccines from various countries and manufacturers, but the numbers seem obstinately stuck at about 15%.
Given the current limbo, and based on nothing but my own inferences, I doubt seriously that the country is going to open in any meaningful way to foreigners any time soon. On the other hand, the tourism sector is on life support, and the government may just take a "screw it" attitude and start to allow entry of the fully vaccinated from "green" countries; a list which does not at the moment, include the United States.
Given the transmissibility of the Delta variant, and because I'm a firm believer in actual science, I've been more or less self-isolating for the past 18 months. So, my sporadic forays into hte outside world—maybe once or twice a week to various local stores and malls—may not provide an adequate basis for generalization. For whatever it's worth, my view is that the situation here is fairly bleak, though the supply of women remains plentiful for those who can get here and are willing to run the risk of messing about, in intimate contact, with a population that's likely unvaccinated for the most part.
GE.
I thought about pasting a few links here to the government reports that seem to proliferate daily on various local websites, but I decided against it since doing so might add to the confusion of those trying to draw an accurate set of conclusions about the situation here. While it's difficult to present a clear, data-based picture of what's happening throughout the country it appears (should be in italics) that the situation is worsening; at best it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Davao, where I live, escaped more stringent lockdowns until a couple of days ago when more severe measures were imposed. CdO, where a good friend of mine lives, is also heavily restricted (in theory), as is most of MetroManila. Some of the more rural areas in which I also have friends, appear to be restricting movements sporadically. That said, at least here in Davao, regardless of the "official" categorization, day-to-day life doesn't seem to change much. That is, stores are still open, bars are still closed, restaurants have limited capacity and are mostly empty to sparsely populated. Virtually everyone is masked all of the time, while driving (even alone in the car), walking, in retail establishments or anywhere else out in public. Given the dearth of people I've observed in the larger malls here, the closure of restaurants (including our own), and the number of "space available" signs throughout the city, I conclude that the economy is struggling, but I've seen nothing official from the city government. The official statistics from the Department of Labor and Employment stated last month that the unemployment rates is 4. 9% I do not find this to be a credible number.
According to the national government, about 15% of the population is fully vaccinated, though whether that's a percentage of the eligible population or to total population isn't clear to me. Davao continues to create widespread distribution networks for the vaccines from various countries and manufacturers, but the numbers seem obstinately stuck at about 15%.
Given the current limbo, and based on nothing but my own inferences, I doubt seriously that the country is going to open in any meaningful way to foreigners any time soon. On the other hand, the tourism sector is on life support, and the government may just take a "screw it" attitude and start to allow entry of the fully vaccinated from "green" countries; a list which does not at the moment, include the United States.
Given the transmissibility of the Delta variant, and because I'm a firm believer in actual science, I've been more or less self-isolating for the past 18 months. So, my sporadic forays into hte outside worldmaybe once or twice a week to various local stores and mallsmay not provide an adequate basis for generalization. For whatever it's worth, my view is that the situation here is fairly bleak, though the supply of women remains plentiful for those who can get here and are willing to run the risk of messing about, in intimate contact, with a population that's likely unvaccinated for the most part.
GE.I tend to agree with all of this except the opening of the country. I think as long as the current administration has the option to double dip into the assistance they are receiving from abroad the closures will continue. That's just opinion though as things change daily. One report that the mayor of AC was seen riding his brand new Harley around town. As for the 15% vaccinated I think this is accurate if not low. I personally know many vaccinated people and they are doing many every day at least in the cities. Not sure what the vaccination protocols are like in the province but even the smaller towns they have implemented a procedure for getting their people vaccinated. There is a rumor that Thailand will open October 1st https://www.livemint.com/news/world/thailand-on-mind-fully-vaccinated-tourists-allowed-to-visit-from-1-october-11631277317079.html but they have changed on several plans so far. I wouldn't recommend buying a ticket until it happens. Perhaps if this does happen it will put pressure on the PH to open. But as we all know, speculation doesn't warrant much validity in the PH.
PedroMorales
09-12-21, 09:09
Given the current limbo, and based on nothing but my own inferences, I doubt seriously that the country is going to open in any meaningful way to foreigners any time soon. On the other hand, the tourism sector is on life support, and the government may just take a "screw it" attitude and start to allow entry of the fully vaccinated from "green" countries; a list which does not at the moment, include the United States.
Given the transmissibility of the Delta variant, and because I'm a firm believer in actual science, I've been more or less self-isolating for the past 18 months. So, my sporadic forays into hte outside worldmaybe once or twice a week to various local stores and mallsmay not provide an adequate basis for generalization. For whatever it's worth, my view is that the situation here is fairly bleak, though the supply of women remains plentiful for those who can get here and are willing to run the risk of messing about, in intimate contact, with a population that's likely unvaccinated for the most part..The Pinoy government cannot go it alone. They would be hammered internationally and blamed on spreading it globally. Of more concern to those gangsters would be such things as overseas rem ittances. I am sure many overseas workers. Those armies you see at Manila airport. Have lost their jobs and remittances are down, as are chances for work overseas. That has to be hurting.
The only hope to allow in tourists would be to open corridors. As no one wants Americans, as there would be too many logistical complications with that, they, thankfully, are off the table. Much the same with us here in civilized Europe though some, like invasive weeds, are appearing. The Anzacs have already ruled themselves out by their own stringent lockdown policies. That leaves Korea and China (forget about Japan), both of whom are known to drive hard bargains and neither of whom have banging Pinay hookers as a national priority.
The end result of this Covid business will be a further weakening of the weak. It will get even less pleasant for those who had no ill gotten gains to squirrel away.
Enjoy your hibernation. I will. I will be spending a month travelling around Southern Europe. Small crowds, money in my pocket, the grape harvest in and buxom Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and Greek wenches to enjoy it with.
Given the transmissibility of the Delta variant, and because I'm a firm believer in actual science, I've been more or less self-isolating for the past 18 months. So, my sporadic forays into hte outside worldmaybe once or twice a week to various local stores and mallsmay not provide an adequate basis for generalization. For whatever it's worth, my view is that the situation here is fairly bleak, though the supply of women remains plentiful for those who can get here and are willing to run the risk of messing about, in intimate contact, with a population that's likely unvaccinated for the most part.
GE.Right now Delta varient is causing all the problems. There is news about some varient in the offing but not sure. Science has shown being vaccinated lessens the severity of the disease. My son is a hospital Doctor and he says almost 98 percent of people in ICU are unvaccinated. Rest 2 percent are with co morbidity although fully vaccinated.
As everyone knows this is a respiratory virus transmitted mouth to mouth. In our hobby it is impossible to avoid close contact. Vaccination might protect severity but you might become positive for exposure.
Traveling to Philippines has been postponed for me at least 3 times already. Right now rebooked for March 2022. That is a big IF. Who knows how long country is going to not allow foreign visitors.
As for economic impact most countries although suffering have learned to live with it for a long time now. So it is unlikely government is willing to to open the country solely for economic reasons. Even here in America lots of restaurants, malls, bars etc are totally closed and unlikely to open.
As girls they were freely available yesterday, today for the people already in the country and will be there tomorrow when things open for everyone.
PedroMorales
09-12-21, 13:32
Right now Delta varient is causing all the problems. There is news about some varient in the offing but not sure. Science has shown being vaccinated lessens the severity of the disease. My son is a hospital Doctor and he says almost 98 percent of people in ICU are unvaccinated. Rest 2 percent are with co morbidity although fully vaccinated.
As everyone knows this is a respiratory virus transmitted mouth to mouth. In our hobby it is impossible to avoid close contact. Vaccination might protect severity but you might become positive for exposure..I didn't know that. I thought it also came in via the nose and even the eyes, like Conjunctivitis. I also thought, like conjunctivitis, it could be picked up by touching things. I believe that is how I picked it up.
Your son, the doctor, must be a great man. He obviously doesn't work in Israel, where most are double jabbed.
DzikaBomba
09-12-21, 15:53
The State of calamity is now prolonged for one more year.
When someone is thinking about going to the PH anytime soon (this and next year).
Forget it!
The State of calamity is now prolonged for one more year.
When someone is thinking about going to the PH anytime soon (this and next year).
Forget it!And how did you arrive at your conclusion?
State of Calamity law authority is extended one more year.
Before the pandemic, remittance from Overseas Filipino Workers (OFW), revenue from tourism and revenue from BPOs, each contributed approximately 10% each to the Philippine's GDP. Contrary to expectation, the remittance in 2020 did not fall catastrophically--it fell just 0. 8% to $29.9 billion and in recent months, it has been rising. BPO industry saw a phenomenal growth and brought in $27 billion because workers could work from home. Tourism took a big hit, its revenue fell by 60%.
The robust growth of BPO and now OFW remittance gives the Philippines significant cushion to weather the revenue shortfall from tourism. After the precipitous fall of 17% in Q2'2019-20, GDP contraction has not been that bad and in fact, Q2'2020-21 saw an 11.8% increase compared to the year before (this was before Delta variant started to have effect).
Punters who have been betting that the Philippines will open its border due economic pain from shrinking tourism should not hold their breath. Economy is suffering, but not as gravely as we think.
Some sources:
https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/05/26/21/bpo-26-7b-revenues-2020-ibpap
https://www.bworldonline.com/tourism-contribution-to-gdp-lowest-in-at-least-2-decades/
https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Philippine-remittances-come-in-at-29.9bn-defying-COVID
https://psa.gov.ph/national-accounts
Dick Milhous
09-12-21, 21:27
Economy is suffering, but not as gravely as we think.For sure. Most of the big central banks seem to be pumping out currency to keep constituents content all the while maintaining low interest rates. Just in the US over 8 trillion in QE for "the pandemic" with as much as another 6 trillion on the horizon. Fourteen trillion new dollars printed up, of course not paper (we wouldn't have any trees left). For a family of 4, that's about $170,000 USD of "new" fiat money. The planet is awash in money. Keep interest rates down and the party will continue with "modern monetary practice", maybe forever or maybe not.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1121416/quantitative-easing-fed-balance-sheet-coronavirus/
Before the pandemic, remittance from Overseas Filipino Workers (OFW), revenue from tourism and revenue from BPOs, each contributed approximately 10% each to the Philippine's GDP. Contrary to expectation, the remittance in 2020 did not fall catastrophically--it fell just 0. 8% to $29.9 billion and in recent months, it has been rising. BPO industry saw a phenomenal growth and brought in $27 billion because workers could work from home. Tourism took a big hit, its revenue fell by 60%.
The robust growth of BPO and now OFW remittance gives the Philippines significant cushion to weather the revenue shortfall from tourism. After the precipitous fall of 17% in Q2'2019-20, GDP contraction has not been that bad and in fact, Q2'2020-21 saw an 11.8% increase compared to the year before (this was before Delta variant started to have effect).
Punters who have been betting that the Philippines will open its border due economic pain from shrinking tourism should not hold their breath. Economy is suffering, but not as gravely as we think.
Some sources:
https://news.abs-cbn.com/business/05/26/21/bpo-26-7b-revenues-2020-ibpap
https://www.bworldonline.com/tourism-contribution-to-gdp-lowest-in-at-least-2-decades/
https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Philippine-remittances-come-in-at-29.9bn-defying-COVID
https://psa.gov.ph/national-accountsI don't think these numbers mean crap to the average Filipinos that are starving and can't pay their rent.
PedroMorales
09-13-21, 00:00
I don't think these numbers mean crap to the average Filipinos that are starving and can't pay their rent.(First off, hats off to all the overseas workers who keep their families going. True heroes.).
"Very true. The https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Philippine-remittances-come-in-at-29.9bn-defying-COVID cites makes terrifying reading. Some quotes. The government has repatriated over 400,000 migrant workers, including those who lost jobs in the retail, oil, tourism and other industries. Meanwhile, worker deployment from January to October plunged 60.8%, to 693, 687, according to the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration."
Tough times for lots of middle class Pinoys so. The Tondo beauties guys here bonk still have their pak pak of course.
"The Philippines, Asia's third largest recipient of remittances after India and China, has relied on money sent home by around 10 million Filipinos who live and work overseas."
"Ang expects Filipino workers to continue seeking jobs overseas when the global economy recovers. But he said companies that have pivoted to digital might need fewer hands. "My worry," Ang said, "is that they won't be needed anymore because the companies survived without them."
Big problems ahead even though googling "Philippines remittances" in news gives all positive stories. From Pinoy sources.
WestCoast1
09-13-21, 11:31
I do not know any numbers, but I recently postedin another thread a White House briefing of the CDC director saying the shit is not working in Israel. Nobody seems to pay it any attention though. Also 2 top US FDA officials quit last week because the administration is trying to push a 3rd jab and they are not sure whether or not it will be safe to do so. I managed to find the video. It is from minute 40 to 41.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ciVGAPuruoQ&list=WL&index=12&t=859sI watched most of the video, and respectfully disagree. At 40:40 in the 50-minute video, CDC Director Dr Walensky speaks (briefly, for 1 minute) regarding people who are immuno-compromised as not having enough of the vaccine in the first place, and should have received a booster shot previously. She then discusses the Israel situation, where Delta is taking off against everyone including the vaxxed, as something to watch. She does not call out the Israeli situation (nor the booster) as a failure of the vaccines. The majority of the time in this video, the 4 persons speaking sing the praises of the vaccines.
The moderator is calling the vax program a success. Dr. Murthy, current US Surgeon General, discusses boosters. He is not saying the program is failing, or that the vaccine doesn't work. Check him at 6:00 minutes into the video. And then at 8:17, Dr Murthy: "This plan to admisiter booster doses does not change our commitment to vaccinating those who are not yet vaccinated here in the US and around the world. The overwhelming majority of hospitalizations and deaths continue to occur among the unvaccinated. We will continue to ramp up efforts to increase vaccinations here at home". That literally is the US Surgeon General saying the overwhelming majority of hospitalizations / deaths occur among the un-vaxxed. Hence I'd like to see SG's link or evidence of hospitals being full of fully-vaxxed persons.
Dr. Rochelle Walensky, Director of the CDC. 11:28 into the video: "First, vaccine-induced protection against Covid-19 begins to decrease over time. Second, vaccine effectiveness against severe disease, hospitalization and death remains relatively high. And third, vaccine effectiveness is generally decreased against the Delta variant". I am not sure that anything said there gives the impression that the vaccines don't work. I guess anyone could be of a different opinion. It would seem to me to say that vax effectiveness is still being studied over time, with recommended changes being made as more data comes forward. About 18:27 into the video she says: "We are currently averaging over 500 Covid-19 deaths per day, and these remain largely preventable. If you are still unvaccinated, please get vaccinated". The video is from 3 weeks ago, the US is now over 1500 deaths / day.
I can see two possibilities:
1) By admitting that the vax-induced protection begins to decrease over time, this is (in the academic sense) an admission that the vaccines alone, after full dosing, aren't a 1-stop cure-all for Covid. More dosage is needed later.
2) By saying that the vaccines must be boosted (re-administered) from time-to-time indicates that the vaccines are still being studied. They might be considered very successful if they prevent severe symptoms, hospitalizations, and / or death, even when they need periodic re-administration.
IMHO, the second scenario is in effect. Other wonder-treatments must also be re-administered regularly: ie, insulin (daily). You might want to get a flu shot each year (although I don't think that is a booster situation). The video also says the US has donated 100 million doses to other countries, and is on its way to donating more than 200 million doses (29:10 into the video).
SG has done drive-by posts before, offering information as fact without offering a link or such as evidence. Show us the receipts, SG, and prove me wrong. At least ME provided some proof.
I watched most of the video, and respectfully disagree..Here is a graphic comparing vax to unvax out of 100,000 people in Wisconsin in the month of July. I'm sure there is some additional weighting required to account for population vax rate.
Cases.
Vax - 125 cases per 100,000.
Unvax 369 cases per 100,000.
Let's say that's 3 x more likely to get infected with COVID in the first place.
Hospitalisations.
Vax - 4. 9 admissions per 100,000.
Unvax 18.2 admissions per 100,000.
That's 3 x more likely to get hospitalised.
Deaths.
Vax - 0. 1 deaths per 100,000.
Unvax 1. 1 deaths per 100,000.
That's 11 times more unvaxed people die.
So even better when the boosters can be rolled out.
WestCoast1
09-13-21, 12:20
SNIP
Deaths.
Vax - 0. 1 deaths per 100,000.
Unvax 1. 1 deaths per 100,000.
That's 11 times more unvaxed people die.
So even better when the boosters can be rolled out.The vaccines wane in effectiveness over time. Without boosters, Delta (or other) will possibly catch up to the vaxxed the same way it will hit the unvaxxed (the Israel issue, more coming on that soon).
WestCoast1
09-13-21, 12:32
Yes! Suggested thread title: CDC Public Relations".I was thinking thread title: "Covid sh*t".
I'm on a roll. . How bout even a competing thread, call it Tin Foil Chit Chat. Hahaha.
Westy, that little rant below was rather sarcastic but it was in no way meant as a jab at you. I super appreciate the guys like you, GE, Advan and others who are on the ground reporting. It's great to hear what's actually happening, and keeping this forum alive. If I had anything more useful to add, I'the chime in. Thanks man!No offense taken. I pay GE, Advan, and a few others each month to thumbs-up anything I say.
While it's difficult to present a clear, data-based picture of what's happening throughout the country it appears (should be in italics) that the situation is worsening; at best it doesn't seem to be getting any better. Davao, where I live, escaped more stringent lockdowns until a couple of days ago when more severe measures were imposed. CdO, where a good friend of mine lives, is also heavily restricted (in theory), as is most of MetroManila. Some of the more rural areas in which I also have friends, appear to be restricting movements sporadically. That said, at least here in Davao, regardless of the "official" categorization, day-to-day life doesn't seem to change much. That is, stores are still open, bars are still closed, restaurants have limited capacity and are mostly empty to sparsely populated. Virtually everyone is masked all of the time, while driving (even alone in the car), walking, in retail establishments or anywhere else out in public. Given the dearth of people I've observed in the larger malls here, the closure of restaurants (including our own), and the number of "space available" signs throughout the city, I conclude that the economy is struggling, but I've seen nothing official from the city government. That description is typical of my experience both in the province for a year, and half that time in the city. My only slightly different perspective is that all areas will eventually be going thru the cyclical nature of GCQ (mild restrictions) / ECQ (strict). All of northern Mindanao is a good example, from Surigao to Iligan (each main city along that route has been in / out of ECQ / GCQ since the start. A month or 6 weeks of ECQ, a few months of GCQ. Rinse / Lather / Repeat. Here's the bad part: The slowness of the pace of getting more jabs into arms (regardless the reason) means that this could go on for more than just a matter of months. As we've mentioned before, leaders might just say "Eff it" and open borders. That said, even if the prodigal sons return, I am not sure there will be a fatted cow available for them to eat. Are you willing to fly here, isolate, skip the nightlife, order your food sent to your hotel / condo thru Grab Eats, be allowed only 1 guest in total to register in your hotel / condo, use ST hotels for all the other girls? Worse, if your area goes into hard lockdown, are you OK staying inside for a few weeks, only going out for the grocery store, pharmacy, or doctor? If you are only here for 1-3 weeks, is any of this trip wise from a cost / benefit analysis?
Given the current limbo, and based on nothing but my own inferences, I doubt seriously that the country is going to open in any meaningful way to foreigners any time soon. On the other hand, the tourism sector is on life support, and the government may just take a "screw it" attitude and start to allow entry of the fully vaccinated from "green" countries; a list which does not at the moment, include the United States.I get messages from the fellas sitting in their home countries, like this: "Certainly this can't last forever. Don't you think they will open up and allow tourists by THIS (or THAT) month?" Saying here the same thing that I reply back: I have no idea if that is how or when it will happen. Guessing that whenever the prodigal sons return, they will at first be walking into in-country travel bubbles (your trip will take you to a resort spot, and nowhere else) for a period of time. After that, other areas will be exposed to the foreigners, and they might be walking into the exact same situation myself, GE, or others have described.
Just for fun, see the pics. First and second pics are more recent Burgos pics. During the past 6 weeks of ECQ / MECQ, all restaurants are closed to sit-down dining. That eliminates the two previously opened places: The Cuervo Cantina and Bourbon. The only thing that is open, from Makati Ave to Kalayaan to Luna, are the 7-11's and Family Mart. The chismis from the bakla (9 or 10 on the Burgos / Durban corner) was that Ringside / Mixed Nuts was sold in mid 2020 and the buyer was wanting to make a legit restaurant, but nothing happened after that. To be fair, when NCR goes back to GCQ, Cuervo and Bourbon will re-open.
Last pic is Robinson's Malate, 3 weeks ago. Even after I posted the last set of Robinson's pics showing a desolate and mostly-closed mall, a day or two later and still mostly closed, were these long lines (floors 2, 3, 4) waiting for a vaccine. Even while mostly closed during ECQ (grocery store and a handful of coffee shops selling takeout were the only things open in the mall), they were having these mass-vax sites up and running. Now that we are at MECQ, many retailers have re-opened in the mall (still no resto sit-down until GCQ, for mall and the entire NCR). The no sit down is also for carindarias.
I watched most of the videog. At least ME provided some proof.Unfortunately for me, the CDC, the NIAID (Fauci), Surgeon General and WHO used to be my most reliable source in order of trust.
Under the Trump, the first 3 were blatantly politicized and misleading (a kinder way of putting it).
WHO is a political organization so I have always viewed what they say through a political prism. Most of their PPE stockpile were shipped to Africa. Nobody mentioned what happened to the Ebola fighting money donated and received. There supposedly was quite a large surplus.
Under Biden, my top 3 choices did not improve much. Especially with the "gain of function" bombshell during the summer about the Fauci NIAID funded research on the Corona virus in Wuhan.
The UK ministers were no better for their recommendations and breaking those recommendations.
Raw data and information is really the only way to gather and analyze and format a semi educated course of action. But that requires a high multidisciplinary knowledge and skill that escape most if not all people.
So healthy debates on this forum is actually good. Citing sources highlight information that is sometimes glossed over on local media or macnews. The side effects are not minor issues but downplayed to not negatively impact vaccine take-up rate.
In either case, the move towards management versus elimination strategy is actually openly discussed. Maybe VP Duterte will go down that route and open up PI.
Steve Nash
09-14-21, 05:55
That description is typical of my experience both in the province for a year, and half that time in the city. My only slightly different perspective is that all areas will eventually be going thru the cyclical nature of GCQ (mild restrictions) / ECQ (strict). All of northern Mindanao is a good example, from Surigao to Iligan (each main city along that route has been in / out of ECQ / GCQ since the start. A month or 6 weeks of ECQ, a few months of GCQ. Rinse / Lather / Repeat. Here's the bad part: The slowness of the pace of getting more jabs into arms (regardless the reason) means that this could go on for more than just a matter of months. As we've mentioned before, leaders might just say "Eff it" and open borders. That said, even if the prodigal sons return, I am not sure there will be a fatted cow available for them to eat. Are you willing to fly here, isolate, skip the nightlife, order your food sent to your hotel / condo thru Grab Eats, be allowed only 1 guest in total to register in your hotel / condo, use ST hotels for all the other girls? Worse, if your area goes into hard lockdown, are you OK staying inside for a few weeks, only going out for the grocery store, pharmacy, or doctor? If you are only here for 1-3 weeks, is any of this trip wise from a cost / benefit analysis?
I get messages from the fellas sitting in their home countries, like this: "Certainly this can't last forever. Don't you think they will open up and allow tourists by THIS (or THAT) month?" Saying here the same thing that I reply back: I have no idea if that is how or when it will happen. Guessing that whenever the prodigal sons return, they will at first be walking into in-country travel bubbles (your trip will take you to a resort spot, and nowhere else) for a period of time. After that, other areas will be exposed to the foreigners, and they might be walking into the exact same situation myself, GE, or others have described.
Just for fun, see the pics. First and second pics are more recent Burgos pics. During the past 6 weeks of ECQ / MECQ, all restaurants are closed to sit-down dining. That eliminates the two previously opened places: The Cuervo Cantina and Bourbon. The only thing that is open, from Makati Ave to Kalayaan to Luna, are the 7-11's and Family Mart. The chismis from the bakla (9 or 10 on the Burgos / Durban corner) was that Ringside / Mixed Nuts was sold in mid 2020 and the buyer was wanting to make a legit restaurant, but nothing happened after that. To be fair, when NCR goes back to GCQ, Cuervo and Bourbon will re-open.
Last pic is Robinson's Malate, 3 weeks ago. Even after I posted the last set of Robinson's pics showing a desolate and mostly-closed mall, a day or two later and still mostly closed, were these long lines (floors 2, 3, 4) waiting for a vaccine. Even while mostly closed during ECQ (grocery store and a handful of coffee shops selling takeout were the only things open in the mall), they were having these mass-vax sites up and running. Now that we are at MECQ, many retailers have re-opened in the mall (still no resto sit-down until GCQ, for mall and the entire NCR). The no sit down is also for carindarias.That sucks!
Is getting worse and worse. What about tourist destinations?
I read that Boracay is open for tourist at this moment, and that Palawan will be open soon too.
I hope it gets better by December, still 3 months to go.
Anyways, I'm still going there before Christmas and for 4 months at least, nothing will stop me from not going.
I just hope the 10 days quarantine will be shorten to a week or less, specially since Canada right now is a low risk country but is still not in the green list of countries for the Philippines.
That sucks!
Is getting worse and worse. What about tourist destinations?
I just hope the 10 days quarantine will be shorten to a week or less, .Correct me if I m wrong, 14 days mandatory quarantine is what I read from the official websites.
10 days minimum at dedicated hotels, balance 4 days can be at home according to LGUs but it's irrelevant to tourists.
Steve Nash
09-14-21, 09:22
Correct me if I m wrong, 14 days mandatory quarantine is what I read from the official websites.
10 days minimum at dedicated hotels, balance 4 days can be at home according to LGUs but it's irrelevant to tourists.
Yes exactly 10 days in a hotel where they will watch you closely, the other 4 days at home nobody will watch you because you had passed your covid test by the 10th day. So basically only 10 days.
I wonder if those hotels have a recreation area so you can chill with others, I remember last year when I came back from Philippines and I had to do 14 days quarantine in an airport hotel in Canada, we had 1 hour lunch and 2 breaks of 30 minutes to go outside and mingle and talk with other people in the hotel doing their quarantine (the recreation area was outdoors but had a fence/barrier of course) .
That will be a great chance to meet a girl and exchange numbers. I met a Chinese hairdresser that way, 37 years old divorced single mom, she look younger and had big boobs, strange for an asian. I got her number and we ended up hooking up on January, she even cut my hair when the hair salon were close for 6 months here in Canada.
I know for sure there will be some OFW young ladies doing quarentine in those hotels. And if she is staying in the same floor even better.
Albert9989
09-14-21, 09:42
Yes exactly 10 days in a hotel where they will watch you closely, the other 4 days at home nobody will watch you because you had passed your covid test by the 10th day. So basically only 10 days.
I wonder if those hotels have a recreation area so you can chill with others, I remember last year when I came back to Canada from Philippines and I had to do 14 days quarantine in an airport hotel here, we had 1 hour lunch and 2 breaks of 30 minutes to go outside and mingle and talk with other people in the hotel doing their quarantine.
That will be a great chance to meet a girl and exchange numbers. I met a Chinese hairdresser that way, 37 years old divorced single mom, she look younger and had big boobs, strange for an asian. I got her number and we ended up hooking up on January, she even cut my hair when the hair salon were close for 8 months here in Canada.
I know for sure there will be some OFW young ladies doing quarentine in those hotels. And if she is staying in the same floor even better.Hehe, new mongering strategy.
We have to adapt for sure.
I wonder if those hotels have a recreation area so you can chill with others, I remember last year when I came back from Philippines and I had to do 14 days quarantine in an airport hotel in Canada, we had 1 hour lunch and 2 breaks of 30 minutes to go outside and mingle and talk with other people in the hotel doing their quarantine (the recreation area was outdoors but had a fence/barrier of course) .
That will be a great chance to meet a girl and exchange numbers....
I know for sure there will be some OFW young ladies doing quarentine in those hotels. And if she is staying in the same floor even better.Lots of cases here (not the PI) of Quarantine security guards banging detainees, guys jumping balcony dividers or skipping bail to meet outside gfs.
One of the contractors actually lost a multi-million dollar contract because they couldn't control their horny employees.
PedroMorales
09-14-21, 18:30
Lots of cases here (not the PI) of Quarantine security guards banging detainees, guys jumping balcony dividers or skipping bail to meet outside gfs..The San Fernando Valley should be on this. Make a change from pizza deliveries and lpumbers.
Steve Nash
09-15-21, 04:02
Lots of cases here (not the PI) of Quarantine security guards banging detainees, guys jumping balcony dividers or skipping bail to meet outside gfs.
One of the contractors actually lost a multi-million dollar contract because they couldn't control their horny employees.I can see that happening, since security quarentine guards have more power to do whatever they want in those places, they know where the security cameras are, where the blind spots are, who is doing the rounds, what time exactly is safe for them to have sex.
Maybe I should get a partime job as a quarentine security guard, LOL. I talked to many of them and they seem to be new immigrants, most of them were Mexican, with less than 3 years in Canada, at least 3 of them told me that.
The advantage to hooking up there is that most of the single (women) travelers are more open minded when it comes to sex, even the western women, if they travel single to another country, they are looking to have adventure and of course many of them wild sex.
WestCoast1
09-15-21, 06:01
From previous mention about Israel's dramatic increase among vaxxed persons, an article from NPR explaining why.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/20/1029628471/highly-vaccinated-israel-is-seeing-a-dramatic-surge-in-new-covid-cases-heres-why
From the article:
Israel had fully vaccinated slightly over half its population by March 25. Infections waned, venues reopened to the vaccinated and the prime minister told Israelis to go out and have fun. By June, all restrictions, including indoor masking, were abolished. But Israel paid a price for the early rollout. Health officials, and then Pfizer, said their data showed a dip in the vaccine's protection around six months after receiving the second shot. SNIP
It was a perfect storm: The vaccine's waning protection came around the same time the more infectious delta variant arrived in Israel this summer. Delta accounts for nearly all infections in Israel today. "The most influential event was so many people who went abroad in the summer vacations and brought the delta variant very, very quickly to Israel," said Siegal Sadetzki, a former public health director in Israel's Health Ministry. SNIP
The country jumped out ahead of all other countries on vaccines, and 78% of eligible Israelis over 12 years old are vaccinated. But Israel has a young population, with many under the eligible age for vaccination, and about 1.1 million eligible Israelis, largely between the ages of 12 and 20, have declined to take even one dose of the vaccine. That means only 58% of Israel's total citizenry is fully vaccinated. Experts say that's not nearly high enough.
From previous mention about Israel's dramatic increase among vaxxed persons, an article from NPR explaining why.Surely that article is conflating the topics and the fact as quoted in the article was that Israel was not at the vaccination level to achieve what they were trying to do. If at 100% efficacy any vaccine will have limited public health benefit at 58% population coverage.
Interesting time...now Israel is off my punter calendar
I read that Boracay is open for tourist at this moment.As far as I am aware, the Philippines is still closed to foreign tourists and is likely to be closed for some time yet. The only people allowed to enter the country now are returning Filipinos, diplomats, air-crew, resident permit holders and those foreigners with either a Filipino spouse or parents or children of Filipino citizens.
If you are already in the country then in-country tourism is allowed (whether you are a local ie a Filipino, or a foreigner living here), but this is subject to the current lockdown regulations.
WestCoast1
09-15-21, 15:12
NCR lockdown status changes tomorrow, from Sept 16 to 30th. Curfew goes from the current 8 pm to 10 pm start. Outdoor restos can seat up to 30% capacity, indoor restos at 10% (and only for the vaxxed). They have stopped using the ECQ / GCQ terminology, now calling it 'Alert Level', and using the term 'granular' to indicate that they will continue to hard lockdown homes, compounds, individual buildings, or neighborhoods as needed.
https://www.manilatimes.net/2021/09/14/news/metro-manila-under-alert-level-4-starting-sept-16-in-new-lockdown-scheme/1814684
From the article "Metro Manila under Alert Level 4 starting Sept. 16 in new lockdown scheme":.
IATF OKs implementation of granular lockdowns
Metro Manila Development Authority (MMDA) Chairman Benhur Abalos said curfew hours will be adjusted to 10 p.m. to 4 a.m. from the current 8 p.m. to 4 a.m.
Individuals below 18 years old, citizens above 65 years old, persons with immunodeficiencies, comorbidities, or other health risks, and pregnant women are prohibited from going out, "provided that they shall be allowed access to obtain essential goods and services or for work in permitted industries and offices."
Outdoor exercises will also be allowed but shall be limited to the general area of residence and minimum public health standards shall be followed. Indoor visitor or tourist attractions; indoor spaces for meetings, incentives, conferences, and events; indoor entertainment and recreational venues; gaming establishments, except those previously approved by the Inter-Agency Task Force and the President; social gatherings; staycations; and sports and leisure centers are not permitted.
Outdoor dining services, personal care services, and religious gatherings will be allowed for up to 30 percent of their seating or venue capacity, regardless of vaccination status. Those indoors, meanwhile, can operate for up to 10 percent, but shall only cater fully inoculated individuals.
WestCoast1
09-16-21, 03:30
The numbers don't lie. A study shows the Moderna vax and decreased effectiveness it is over time.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/moderna-analysis-those-vaccinated-last-223130015.html
From the article:
SNIP According to the data, which Moderna released Wednesday, a "study shows lower risk of breakthrough infection in participants vaccinated more recently (median 8 months after first dose) than participants vaccinated last year (median 13 months after first dose). A Moderna trial conducted over the summer, labeled Phase 3 COVE Study, revealed that "88 breakthrough cases of COVID-19 occurred in the more recently vaccinated group (49.0 cases per 1000 person-years) compared to 162 cases in the group vaccinated last year (77.1 cases per 1000 person-years)". SNIP
The research found that those who were vaccinated earlier on had a 50% higher rate of symptomatic breakthrough cases during the months of July and August compared to those who had received the vaccination later.
Mr Enternational
09-16-21, 04:24
The numbers don't lie. A study shows the Moderna vax and decreased effectiveness it is over time.This is not new news, just news that people have tended to gloss over if not totally ignore. Remember a couple of weeks ago I posted a video of the CDC director talking about vaccines don't seem to be working in Israel for a couple seconds and the FDA people quitting because they want to push booster shots.
I know more people that have had covid after being vaccinated than people that have not been vaccinated and got covid. My cousin just told me yesterday that he had it and was vaccinated.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8BjQNUxhlpg
This is not new news, just news that people have tended to gloss over if not totally ignore. Remember a couple of weeks ago I posted a video of the CDC director talking about vaccines don't seem to be working in Israel for a couple seconds and the FDA people quitting because they want to push booster shots.
I know more people that have had covid after being vaccinated than people that have not been vaccinated and got covid. My cousin just told me yesterday that he had it and was vaccinated.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8BjQNUxhlpgThis matches the reporting we see in the UK, and the suggestion a booster of a different type is recommended. What we heard this week, is that 99% of the people dying are un-vaccinated. The UK is seeing on average around 120 deaths per day.
Yes, you can catch it after being vaccinated, but you are less likely to be hospitalised. I don't see when this will end, with vaccines needing a booster regularly and the world at different rates of progress. My Davao GF has had her two Chinese shots, but no idea when visitors will be allowed to visit.
Dick Milhous
09-18-21, 05:35
This matches the reporting we see in the UK, and the suggestion a booster of a different type is recommended. What we heard this week, is that 99% of the people dying are un-vaccinated. The UK is seeing on average around 120 deaths per day. I don't see when this will end, with vaccines needing a booster regularly and the world at different rates of progress. FDA in US wisely just voted down boosters 16-2.
In the beginning, quarantine was lax by some standards in several places requiring quarantine. It was like the UK version of self certification of non suitability for vaccination. Had seen "quarantined" people wandering in public places, making outcall services, and generally going about like everyone else.
With designated quarantine areas, some places and jurisdictions that require quarantine do allow quarantined people to co-mingle. The area that is probably working, which only time will tell, is Phuket and a UK's popular destination.
There are videos online of handlers removing their PPE and going at it with a possibly infected (think zombie).
Actually, the zombie apocalypse modeling exercises have helped with projections.
Many places and jurisdictions do not have quarantine for qualified travelers. I can confirm they do exist. If you are looking for cheap pussy at a place open to almost everyone, I think the Phuket sandbox is the best option. Basically it is a Russian roulette cover game with some eastern block girls around.
My two cents.
Lots of cases here (not the PI) of Quarantine security guards banging detainees, guys jumping balcony dividers or skipping bail to meet outside gfs.
One of the contractors actually lost a multi-million dollar contract because they couldn't control their horny employees.
WestCoast1
09-18-21, 10:39
Who needs a booster? Who does not?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/big-gap-between-pfizer-moderna-034719881.html
From the article: Big gap between Pfizer, Moderna vaccines seen for preventing COVID hospitalizations.
Data collected from 18 states between March and August suggest the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine reduces the risk of being hospitalized with COVID-19 by 91% in the first four months after receiving the second dose. Beyond 120 days, however, that vaccine efficacy drops to 77%.
Meanwhile, Moderna's vaccine was 93% effective at reducing the short-term risk of COVID-19 hospitalization and remained 92% effective after 120 days.
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See pic. Informational item from the Phils DOH regarding Western Pacific nation's covid cases and deaths.
WestCoast1
09-18-21, 13:13
Another Bio-surveillance Report. From reporting two weeks ago. See pics. The Phils Delta death rate increase was 30-31% for the week from August 21-27 (from 26 to 33 deaths). This was during a hard lockdown. I ran a spreadsheet at that time showing that if unabated growth continued, that those 33 deaths would become almost 18,000 deaths just 6 months later.
In the week following, August 27 - September 3, a 39.3% increase (from 33 to 46 deaths). A revised spreadsheet shows that at 39.3% weekly growth on 46 deaths, after 6 months the number of deaths balloons to 131,000.
Steve Nash
09-19-21, 08:22
In the beginning, quarantine was lax by some standards in several places requiring quarantine. It was like the UK version of self certification of non suitability for vaccination. Had seen "quarantined" people wandering in public places, making outcall services, and generally going about like everyone else.
With designated quarantine areas, some places and jurisdictions that require quarantine do allow quarantined people to co-mingle. The area that is probably working, which only time will tell, is Phuket and a UK's popular destination.
There are videos online of handlers removing their PPE and going at it with a possibly infected (think zombie).
Actually, the zombie apocalypse modeling exercises have helped with projections.
Many places and jurisdictions do not have quarantine for qualified travelers. I can confirm they do exist. If you are looking for cheap pussy at a place open to almost everyone, I think the Phuket sandbox is the best option. Basically it is a Russian roulette cover game with some eastern block girls around.
My two cents.Yeah I agree, that was my initial thought when I met my friend in the quarantined facility, I was horny as hell during those 2 weeks and I thought about inviting my friend to my room, we even talked about that as a joke, to sneak-in and chill in eachother's room, she was staying in the floor below me so it wouldn't have been impossible to sneak-in without getting caught. But of course there was always in my mind that she might be infected since she was coming from China, I even google her hometown to see how many cases they had, LOL, hahahaha that's how horny I was!. BUT at the end I decided just to get her number and meeting her after the 14 days quarantine when I know for sure she doesn't have covid from her trip.
I am sure this have been mentioned here. Covid positive test can take 4 to 42 days after exposure. Maybe due to sample taking differences, infection during quarantine, just individual immune systems differences or some other reason. I always assume that when I travel, I might get infected. I always prepare to be stranded for a month somewhere.
The problem is how to not endanger your loved ones and previous close ones. Each trip is at 6 - 10 weeks, to be safe.
Yeah I agree, that was my initial thought when I met my friend in the quarantined facility, I was horny as hell during those 2 weeks and I thought about inviting my friend to my room, we even talked about that as a joke, to sneak-in and chill in eachother's room, she was staying in the floor below me so it wouldn't have been impossible to sneak-in without getting caught. But of course there was always in my mind that she might be infected since she was coming from China, I even google her hometown to see how many cases they had, LOL, hahahaha that's how horny I was!. BUT at the end I decided just to get her number and meeting her after the 14 days quarantine when I know for sure she doesn't have covid from her trip.
WestCoast1
09-21-21, 10:34
Update on the New "Alert Level" system in place now in Manila. What is allowed, what is not. See pics.
The second pic, the levels. I find them a bit vague.
https://www.facebook.com/lifeline16911
Anyone heard from Kabul Guy? It's been a few months since he was posting.
Mr Enternational
09-21-21, 18:59
In other news, the university dean that I was dating in Pi before covid went down, just informed me that damn near her whole family tested positive although they were vaccinated.
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