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Gentlemen,

The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex.

Let's get back to the subject.

Thank You,

Jackson

[Redfield10]

It's my first time flying to the Phils. Been to Thailand a few times so.

I'll be flying from SFO to Manila via PAL. My flight is at 10: 30 at night. The reservations agent said to be there 3. 5 hours ahead of time. Is that really necessary?

Also, they are telling me for my domestic flight from Manila to Cebu on Nov. 1 to be there 2. 5 hours ahead of time. Is this correct, also?

I don't mind being to the airport, early. In fact, I prefer it. But especially the 3. 5 hours at SFO seems a bit excessive.

Anyone have good advice for me?

Thanks

[Devilspinkick]

Thanks for the info Jazzy Daddy.

What's the deal with all of the deleted reports?

It's been a couple of days since I've checked the board.

Did I miss something?

DSK

[Cunning Stunt]

Yes Jackson - excellent suggestion - wondered when you would step in and knock errant heads together :).

Back to the real business in hand.

Cheers GH

[Gangles]

Hello Redfield,

I would certainly agree that you should be at check in for cebu Pacific well before departure time.

The reason is that if the plane is full, and there are more customers screaming for tickets, and are prpared to pay some tea money, they will sell your ticket.

No matter that you had a reservation.

This happened to me flying from bacolod. The lady and I decided for one last screamer of a fuck, and I was late. Got to the airport 1 hour before departure. Door to cebu pacific office barred by a guard. The fact that I had a reservation was immaterial.

lots of fast smooth talking got me inside the office, and more joking and smooth talk got me one of the hosties jump seats on the plane. barely made it.

So get there in plenty of time.

gangles.

[Cunning Stunt]

It's no secret that prescription drugs are ridiculously expensive in the Philippines, particularly in Mercury Drug. So its good to report that there is a newish kid on the block that breaks the cartel and charges reasonable prices for pharmaceuticals. This is the Generic Pharmacy and as their name suggests their drugs are all generic, either imported or locally made, but always genuine and approved by the Philippines Bureau of Food and Drugs (BFAD). They have branches everywhere. Average prices are very low. For example Doxycycline antibiotics are 2 pesos a tablet and Ibuprofen is 1.5 pesos. Don’t know if they do Cialis or Viagra. Better still they will deliver for a minimum purchase (about 1,000 pesos).

They are expanding fast (they are a franchise) and have branches everywhere. In Malate there is one on Pedro Gil corner of Agoncillo. Delivery hotline is 7323333 or 7315555. GH

[Speedyisback]

Has anyone been to Heartbeat KTV?

I went there 2 years ago and had a blast.

I can't seem to find any post on this place.

[Aussiec]

Well you would think that given the many trips I have taken to Phil I would know this answer but I do not. As we all know Cealis is wildly peddled on the street. I never have bought for I would never injest something from what may be something I not want to begin with. So my question. I know that Ceailis and viagra can be bought in the pharmacies there in in ac or manila. Do you need a precription to get them? Are they over the counter? Do I need to see the local Doc to get presciption. Thanks for any help on this.

[Xdentx]

This is a copy of my post a few days ago in the Viagra section of the forum.

Last week in Makati I realized I had forgotten my Cialis at home. Mercury Pharmacy near City Garden Makati hotel definitely wanted a prescription and I expect all pharmacies will. I got a prescription by asking the pharmacist where to find a doc. Big medial center within walking distance at 5 pm got me in and out in 15 minutes with a bp check and a chat with a real doctor. He gave me a rx for 10 boxes...(20 tabs)
I only bought 5 boxes for 7500 pesos, so it's not cheap in the pharmacy. The doc visit only cost 300 pesos total. You can buy on the street for 500 pesos or less per box...but i have no idea if it's real.

Now if you go to the viagra section of the forum you will see some interesting followups to my post above. I'm now in my last night in Ermita and am considering returning to the doc for a refill. It just slays me that I forgot to bring my stockpile of Cialis on this trip.

[X Man]

Myself and others hsve confirmed that bar /street sellers have stuff that works.

There have also been some good reports in the past on Chinese herbal med. - and recent science reports seem to confirm same --

[Hairy Wonder]

Just to make sure that others can find it (because I had a question about where it was), below is a link to the section of the forums where Xdentx's original post on the topic can be found. There are also sections on other enhancers as well.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=272

Enjoy!
HW

[Yella Man]

I buy it on the street in Angeles all the time when I'm in the Philippines and the stuff always works great! I have a few friends who do the same, and I have never heard anything negative from them either.

Still SKinning Them Up!

Yella Man

[Key Master]

I buy it on the street in Angeles all the time when I'm in the Philippines and the stuff always works great! I have a few friends who do the same, and I have never heard anything negative from them either.

I will say something negative, that I bought from a street seller that a friend who lives in AC told me his friends said this guy sold legit stuff. I bought Cialis from him at a great price, but whatever it was it wasn't Cialis. Maybe it was Viagra I don't know, but it didn't work like Cialis and I threw my box out pretty quickly. I won't buy off the street again, I don't think the risks are worth it. Some of the clubs there sell the stuff for a lot more, and I would bet that there stuff is legit.

[MeLuvULongTime]

I will say something negative, that I bought from a street seller that a friend who lives in AC told me his friends said this guy sold legit stuff. I bought Cialis from him at a great price, but whatever it was it wasn't Cialis. Maybe it was Viagra I don't know, but it didn't work like Cialis and I threw my box out pretty quickly. I won't buy off the street again, I don't think the risks are worth it. Some of the clubs there sell the stuff for a lot more, and I would bet that there stuff is legit.Gentlemen,

The next time you go to your doc for a checkup or whatever, just tell him you are going to the PI for some fun and need some help. The PharmaCorps give your doc hundreds of free samples of Cialis/Viagra. Just ask your doc. I get enough for a three week trip no problem, cialis and viagra for free!

MeLuvulooongtime

[X Man]

The two times I bought it from AC bars the price was so low that I doubt that the stuff was from the patent holder (I assume that is what you mean by "legit").

Its always worked for me, but I've never used the real deal so can't really compare how the two versions might differ. The copies come from India I've heard.

X


I will say something negative, that I bought from a street seller that a friend who lives in AC told me his friends said this guy sold legit stuff. I bought Cialis from him at a great price, but whatever it was it wasn't Cialis. Maybe it was Viagra I don't know, but it didn't work like Cialis and I threw my box out pretty quickly. I won't buy off the street again, I don't think the risks are worth it. Some of the clubs there sell the stuff for a lot more, and I would bet that there stuff is legit.

[Carmex]

I get my viagra from my dad in the US, he sends me the real stuff. I my expirence, the stuff from the pharmacy in AC is hit or miss. I did much comparison over the last couple of months, and the US stuff works 100% of the time. The PH stuff, only works about 30% of the time. This comparison leads me to believe that PH Viagra does not have the same stringent requirements that US (patent) stuff does. I usually only need 50mg for the US stuff, versus 100mg of the PH stuff.

I also have a prescription for Levitra, which I fill at a local pharmacy. Works better for the weekend, however, Viagra is good for just one pop.

Usually don't need it, however by day 3 or 4, it is always nice to have the little blue wingman in my pocket.

Carm

[Key Master]

The two times I bought it from AC bars the price was so low that I doubt that the stuff was from the patent holder (I assume that is what you mean by "legit").

Its always worked for me, but I've never used the real deal so can't really compare how the two versions might differ. The copies come from India I've heard.

X

I did suggest that the clubs are more likely to sell legit stuff. I don't have any experience buying in the clubs but I would ask the managers. I won't buy again on the street because I know it wasn't legit Cialis. Cialis will last for more than a day easily on me, and it only might have given me a couple of hours if any and that is more likely a Viagra type drug. I have read too many negatives about buying from these street vendors and only buy legit stuff now. It's too easy to go to your own doctor and get a real prescription to be worth risking my own well being on street stuff. The one time I bought it without was in Thailand at a pharmacy and it was legit. The price was higher than street price for sure.

[Redfield10]

Ah, it's good to know that maybe in the clubs it's legit usually. I guess I'll ask other ex pats when I arrive. I doubt my doc is gonna give me any here.

She, that is. Heh.

[Cunning Stunt]

Only time that I have bought the stuff, I got it from a seller in Harrison Plaza and I can assure you it was genuine. The packaging and blister pack looked the real deal as well. Only trouble is that I don't really need the gear and one tablet turns me into priapic sex monster :D.

[X Man]

Sorry, but I still don't know what you mean by "legit"

You mean the real deal from the patent holder, or something that gives you a place to hang your hat for a while?

I haven't heard anything negative on ISG except for those who proclaim that the stuff is sht and they would never buy it -- which of course is a contradiction. No offense if anyone is in this category, because I used to be.

I responded to a Perimeter bar restroom ad, after being offered same for a couple of years --first time was from an EDSA toilet manager - regulars know what i mean.

I don't know what clubs you are referring to KM, but next time you purchase, ask them about the origin. And what was the price?

I've haggled dpwn to 250 a box of four - and bit off only a half for the desired effect. Never been disappointed except for the time I drank too much.

They sell it in copy boxes too, and the tabs are copy too. If some readers don't know what they look like, just search google images. Please see prev. post from my nemesis, G

Yes, I know the whole thing is pretty dodgy, but if you don't like dodgy, Phillipines might not be for you.

Thanks for the posts KM. If you have confirmed reports of fake sht, please let us know where the purchase was made.

X





I did suggest that the clubs are more likely to sell legit stuff. .

[Pimpster]

I get my viagra from my dad in the US, he sends me the real stuff. I my expirence, the stuff from the pharmacy in AC is hit or miss. I did much comparison over the last couple of months, and the US stuff works 100% of the time. The PH stuff, only works about 30% of the time. This comparison leads me to believe that PH Viagra does not have the same stringent requirements that US (patent) stuff does. I usually only need 50mg for the US stuff, versus 100mg of the PH stuff.

I also have a prescription for Levitra, which I fill at a local pharmacy. Works better for the weekend, however, Viagra is good for just one pop.

Usually don't need it, however by day 3 or 4, it is always nice to have the little blue wingman in my pocket.

Carm

Stuff from Pi whether you buy it in a pharm ors somewhere else its mostly fake stuff or generic with fake brand on it. Most meds are made in india, china, or even mexico. Pi doesn't have the same quality control as in the states. I'm in the medical field and have first hand experience in this regards. But on another note what does viagra do for you if you are a normal male?

[FreebieFan]

Stuff from Pi whether you buy it in a pharm ors somewhere else its mostly fake stuff or generic with fake brand on it. Most meds are made in india, china, or even mexico. Pi doesn't have the same quality control as in the states. I'm in the medical field and have first hand experience in this regards. But on another note what does viagra do for you if you are a normal male?Depends where you are as to what you get.. recently in Malaysia for instance.( same as HK/China/Thailand) you can buy over the counter at all pharmacies including Watsons and Guardian. Safer route ( for those of us who need it owing to prostate probs) is to always ensure you got the Real Deal in your pocket.

[Darth Sushi]

Stuff from Pi whether you buy it in a pharm ors somewhere else its mostly fake stuff or generic with fake brand on it. Most meds are made in india, china, or even mexico. Pi doesn't have the same quality control as in the states. I'm in the medical field and have first hand experience in this regards. But on another note what does viagra do for you if you are a normal male?
I'm not a viagra fan but cialis can help me get in two rounds within an hour or two. Also, I tend to cum harder on the juice and waking up in the morning with a woody is also a pleasant side-effect :D I find it best when you take the night before (at least 6 hours) you go hunting. Cialis can last 2-3 days!

[Carmex]

Just got back from Thailand today and bought some stuff in the pharm called "Kamagra" while there.

100mg Tablets of Sildenafil Citrate. Stuff worked better than Viagra IMHO. Was ready to go at a moments notice for about 24 hours. Price was 800 baht for 4 tabs which is about 25$ US. Not free, but always nice to have the little blue wingman.

Aloha,

Carmex

P.S. Thai chicks are fucking hot BTW.

[Hairy Wonder]

Depends where you are as to what you get.. recently in Malaysia for instance.( same as HK/China/Thailand) you can buy over the counter at all pharmacies including Watsons and Guardian. Safer route ( for those of us who need it owing to prostate probs) is to always ensure you got the Real Deal in your pocket.

So FF, where do you get your Real Deal?

HW

[FreebieFan]

So FF, where do you get your Real Deal?

HWI buy in Watsons in Malaysia, a pharmacy I know in HK and at a pharmacy in Shanghai. I also have a urologist here who lets me buy directly from his receptionsist without need for an exam.

And lastly, I also buy Kamagra ( generic good low cost alternative )from a pharmacy in Bangkok and through a pharmacist friend in KL.

[Hairy Wonder]

I buy in Watsons in Malaysia, a pharmacy I know in HK and at a pharmacy in Shanghai. I also have a urologist here who lets me buy directly from his receptionsist without need for an exam.

And lastly, I also buy Kamagra ( generic good low cost alternative )from a pharmacy in Bangkok and through a pharmacist friend in KL.

Damn!

I was hoping you would have a good source in PI to tell me about. Maybe I should just make a side trip to one of your source locations on my way to PI the next time. I have a girl that I have been with before, that just can't get enough. She told me to get plenty of rest before my next visit, because she doesn't plan on letting me rest much while I'm there. I've lasted 3 hours straight with her before. But I'm not sure how I will perform with multiple sessions in quick succession. I want to have a backup plan, just in case things go soft. :)

HW

[FreebieFan]

Damn!

I was hoping you would have a good source in PI to tell me about. Maybe I should just make a side trip to one of your source locations on my way to PI the next time. I have a girl that I have been with before, that just can't get enough. She told me to get plenty of rest before my next visit, because she doesn't plan on letting me rest much while I'm there. I've lasted 3 hours straight with her before. But I'm not sure how I will perform with multiple sessions in quick succession. I want to have a backup plan, just in case things go soft. :)

HWHi Hairy,

Well I sed to buy from a Guardian or Watsons in the old Greenbelt, but then I had a proper prescription. And had to sign your name and show ID.

Wish I knew a source in PI. But Iv'e learnt to always take my own. Condoms and erectile "help" with me.

One of the joys of having had prostate removed is that I can fuck for hours. Theres an obvious down side of that too!

[Redfield10]

Hi folks,

I was scheduled to fly to Manila for 16 days beginning next Thursday. However, my father is ill and I most likely will not be able to go. I will decide in the next few days. I want to ask your opinions about other times to go.

Since I bought on the PAL Web site, they won't let me cancel (maybe it was a special fare.... not sure). However, they will let me rebook for $150.

After talking to four different agents and having most of them say something different (man, was this difficult), I think what I heard was this. If I book by Nov. 6 and fly between Jan. 12 and March 15th, I can do it at a similar rate to what I"m getting now. I think there's a $150 rebooking charge.

Anyway, what's the weather like the end of Feb. and through the month of March...as I'm thinking about the timeframe now. Is it a good or acceptable time to go? If not, why not? Also, are there other times later in the year that are good times to go in terms of weather, etc? I think I have to use my ticket by August.

Thanks for the input, folks.

Red

[Finrod]

Hi folks,

I was scheduled to fly to Manila for 16 days beginning next Thursday. However, my father is ill and I most likely will not be able to go. I will decide in the next few days. I want to ask your opinions about other times to go.

Since I bought on the PAL Web site, they won't let me cancel (maybe it was a special fare.... not sure). However, they will let me rebook for $150.

After talking to four different agents and having most of them say something different (man, was this difficult), I think what I heard was this. If I book by Nov. 6 and fly between Jan. 12 and March 15th, I can do it at a similar rate to what I"m getting now. I think there's a $150 rebooking charge.

Anyway, what's the weather like the end of Feb. and through the month of March...as I'm thinking about the timeframe now. Is it a good or acceptable time to go? If not, why not? Also, are there other times later in the year that are good times to go in terms of weather, etc? I think I have to use my ticket by August.

Thanks for the input, folks.

Red
This is the hot season. Lots of sunlight and few clouds. Bring sunblock and wear a hat to keep the sun off your head. But you may as well go because the next season up is the rainy season which typically starts in June and goes into September and sometimes October. I didn't mind the rainy season, that is the low season so better pricing on hotels and resorts is often available. Bring your (big) umbrella and don't expect to see much sun then.

[Soapy Smith]

If I book by Nov. 6 and fly between Jan. 12 and March 15th, I can do it at a similar rate to what I"m getting now. I think there's a $150 rebooking charge. Anyway, what's the weather like the end of Feb. and through the month of March...as I'm thinking about the timeframe now.

As Fin says, March is the beginning of the hot season, although the beginning of March is not so hot as later. Mid-January and into early February has about the mildest weather that the Phils offer. If you can swing it, that would be the best time of all to travel. But be sure to book lodging well in advance. There are some holidays that bring families from the provinces into the cities and fill up the hotels.

[Mr Hawaii]

Fyi. For those of you who fly PAL. When I returned from my last trip I checked my frequent flyer miles, nothing posted. I emailed Mabuhay and inquired, and was informed that because I had purchased a "discount" ticket from my travel agent, I would not receive any miles for my HNL-MNL-HON trip! Never happened before. Chose PAL over other airlines because of their own airport (thru immigration in 2 min.) and generous frequent flier program. Anyway, have emailed back to them and still in negotiations.

Anybody else notice this?

[Manfest]

Fyi. For those of you who fly PAL. When I returned from my last trip I checked my frequent flyer miles, nothing posted. I emailed Mabuhay and inquired, and was informed that because I had purchased a "discount" ticket from my travel agent, I would not receive any miles for my HNL-MNL-HON trip! Never happened before. Chose PAL over other airlines because of their own airport (thru immigration in 2 min.) and generous frequent flier program. Anyway, have emailed back to them and still in negotiations.

Anybody else notice this?

Yes, this is fairly common. In fact, many major airlines also have discounted fares during certain times during the year and do not give FF miles. China airlines has something that doesn't give miles or let you pick the seat (usually get middle seat) for cheaper price. This applies even if you buy directly from the airline sometimes. If the price is reasonable, then worth asking before purchasing. Singapore is famous for cutting prices during low season, but not giving miles.

[Bnlee2]

Fyi. For those of you who fly PAL. When I returned from my last trip I checked my frequent flyer miles, nothing posted. I emailed Mabuhay and inquired, and was informed that because I had purchased a "discount" ticket from my travel agent, I would not receive any miles for my HNL-MNL-HON trip! Never happened before. Chose PAL over other airlines because of their own airport (thru immigration in 2 min.) and generous frequent flier program. Anyway, have emailed back to them and still in negotiations.

Anybody else notice this?If you buy the low cost web fare for singapore airline, you do not get miles on your travel on certain routes. Many airlines are beginning to do this. I still fly singapore airline due to their great service and beautiful stewardess. A price you just gotta pay sometimes. Chock it up to business expenses. United Airlines gives miles on all flights, they do have some big momma on those flights. If you are in to super bbw. Then that is your airline. It is amazing that some of these momma actually fit through the aisle.

Just my pov.

[Redfield10]

Yep. I recently booked on their web site. (well, since the web site rejects almost all US credit cards now I had to fax them my credit card, ID, etc. But they gave me the web site rate) and asked if my FF miles were registered and they told me I didn't get any with this "discounted" flight.

I have a hunc they are "all" discoutned now.

BTW, it's been a nightmare dealing with PAL for me. I am having to re-book my flight at a later time because my Dad is very I'll right now. But they are almost no help at all. You can't understand the agent. They have no idea how to put my dilemma in context. They can only answer very concrete questions and usually those are wrong.

I called four different agents and got four different answers regarding refunds, rebooking, time periods to rebook, etc. I've never encountered such horrible service from an airline before, ever. Two hung up on me when they got so frustrated trying to answer my questions that they couldn't handle.

And I'm not a difficult guy to get along with on the phone. But they have no idea how to measure a situation, put themselves in your place, and then give you some understandable options for resolving the issues.


Fyi. For those of you who fly PAL. When I returned from my last trip I checked my frequent flyer miles, nothing posted. I emailed Mabuhay and inquired, and was informed that because I had purchased a "discount" ticket from my travel agent, I would not receive any miles for my HNL-MNL-HON trip! Never happened before. Chose PAL over other airlines because of their own airport (thru immigration in 2 min.) and generous frequent flier program. Anyway, have emailed back to them and still in negotiations.

Anybody else notice this?

[HornyGeorge]

Mileage accrual is just one of MANY. Singapore and Asiana (and cathay) will often give 70% of actual mileage on discounted fares BUT YOU MUST CHECK FIRST! PAL's HUGE advantage is if you are immediately connecting to a domestic flight on PAL because it leaves from the same terminal. But now that Cebu Pacific flights are all going out of Terminal 3, that PAL advantage is no longer so big. There is also a new domestic airline I JUST learned about from Manila Star last week called www.zestair. Ph Be nice if they were more credit card friendly, like Asian Spirit, but have not yet tried to use their services.

Immigration is NOT always faster at Centennial (PAL) terminal; arrive at 430 am (Sf and LA and YVR flights all arrive around same time) and you may get an unwelcome surprise. It IS always faster at Clark (Angeles) and Cebu which are both MUCH better arrival points than NAIA (Manila).

[FreebieFan]

Whilst we might hate that PAL and many other airlines don't give miles for what are normal booked flights, but considered discounted, let me have a morning gripe about Cathay. Off subject I know but just seen DJIA performance last night and lost lots more money so I need a whinge.

Have over 500, 000 miles on Cathay. But can I use them. Naaaahhh. Called them yesterday asking them what dates were available in December for HK London redemption. Answer. No dates free Sir.

Ok. Lets try January. Yeah. We got one date Jan 15th departing. And returning. Hmm we have Jan 16th free Sir. Umm what if I want to spend more than 12 hours in London Misss. Well sir no free dates for redemption seats till February!

Yeah we all have loyalty to airlines when accruing but when yuo try redeeming. Another story.

Ok. Whinge over. Happy days Guys!

(Oh and Cathay is tight with redemption but as its part of One World I can redeem Cathay miles on British Airways who have seats for most dates available! )

[Fast Eddie 48]

Whilst we might hate that PAL and many other airlines don't give miles for what are normal booked flights, but considered discounted, let me have a morning gripe about Cathay. Off subject I know but just seen DJIA performance last night and lost lots more money so I need a whinge.

Have over 500, 000 miles on Cathay. But can I use them. Naaaahhh. Called them yesterday asking them what dates were available in December for HK London redemption. Answer. No dates free Sir.

Ok. Lets try January. Yeah. We got one date Jan 15th departing. And returning. Hmm we have Jan 16th free Sir. Umm what if I want to spend more than 12 hours in London Misss. Well sir no free dates for redemption seats till February!

Yeah we all have loyalty to airlines when accruing but when yuo try redeeming. Another story.

Ok. Whinge over. Happy days Guys!

(Oh and Cathay is tight with redemption but as its part of One World I can redeem Cathay miles on British Airways who have seats for most dates available! )Freebie,

Yes cathay only have 8 % of their seat each flight for mileage booking ,so if that flight is alway book you need to book 1-2 month ahead of time ,most airline is cutting back on flight high fuel cost is the cause for that .

Fast eddie 48

[Ezinho]

I will be heading to the Philippines during the Christmas break. I will arrive in Manila at Noon on the 24th and be there until the morning of the 29th. I have some questions, please forgive me if they are stupid:

1. What is Manila like during the 24th and 25th when it comes to mongering? I've read that LA Cafe is open 24 hours a day, but even on December 25th? Also, how is the selection? I'm assuming it's not as good as it usually is.

2. I would like to leave Manila on the 26th and spend the weekend in Angeles. But I've read that is one of the worst times to travel by bus in the PI since everyone is going somewhere. Would there be seats available on the 26th? Or would it be better to go on the 25th? Do buses even run on Xmas day?

3. Do I need to make hotel reservations or can I just show up and find something in Manila? Same in Angeles. I don't need anything fancy, the Executive Plaza looks fine to me.

I guess what I'm asking is; what the hell should I do?? If I were going at any other time I would just follow the great advice on the forum, but going over Xmas, I'm honestly not sure what would be best. Should I line up some girls before I go, through the internet. I have no idea.

Any feedback is appreciated.

[Brown Rail]

I will be heading to the Philippines during the Christmas break. I will arrive in Manila at Noon on the 24th and be there until the morning of the 29th. I have some questions, please forgive me if they are stupid:

1. What is Manila like during the 24th and 25th when it comes to mongering? I've read that LA Cafe is open 24 hours a day, but even on December 25th? Also, how is the selection? I'm assuming it's not as good as it usually is.

2. I would like to leave Manila on the 26th and spend the weekend in Angeles. But I've read that is one of the worst times to travel by bus in the PI since everyone is going somewhere. Would there be seats available on the 26th? Or would it be better to go on the 25th? Do buses even run on Xmas day?

3. Do I need to make hotel reservations or can I just show up and find something in Manila? Same in Angeles. I don't need anything fancy, the Executive Plaza looks fine to me.

I guess what I'm asking is; what the hell should I do?? If I were going at any other time I would just follow the great advice on the forum, but going over Xmas, I'm honestly not sure what would be best. Should I line up some girls before I go, through the internet. I have no idea.

Any feedback is appreciated.Will give you as much feed back as I can. My experiance is that the days leading up to Christmas are pure hell. Traffic will be the worst of the year and everyone's mind is elsewhere. But sometime on the 24th everyone in Manila leaves for the provinces. On the 25th you could play foodball on EDSA. Ghost town.

The hotels can still be busy with forigners so I would book ahead.

[Brown Rail]

I will be heading to the Philippines during the Christmas break. I will arrive in Manila at Noon on the 24th and be there until the morning of the 29th. I have some questions, please forgive me if they are stupid:

1. What is Manila like during the 24th and 25th when it comes to mongering? I've read that LA Cafe is open 24 hours a day, but even on December 25th? Also, how is the selection? I'm assuming it's not as good as it usually is.

2. I would like to leave Manila on the 26th and spend the weekend in Angeles. But I've read that is one of the worst times to travel by bus in the PI since everyone is going somewhere. Would there be seats available on the 26th? Or would it be better to go on the 25th? Do buses even run on Xmas day?

3. Do I need to make hotel reservations or can I just show up and find something in Manila? Same in Angeles. I don't need anything fancy, the Executive Plaza looks fine to me.

I guess what I'm asking is; what the hell should I do?? If I were going at any other time I would just follow the great advice on the forum, but going over Xmas, I'm honestly not sure what would be best. Should I line up some girls before I go, through the internet. I have no idea.

Any feedback is appreciated.Will give you as much feed back as I can. My experiance is that the days leading up to Christmas are pure hell. Traffic will be the worst of the year and everyone's mind is elsewhere. But sometime on the 24th everyone in Manila leaves for the provinces. On the 25th you could play foodball on EDSA. Ghost town.

The hotels can still be busy with forigners so I would book ahead.

For the days after Christmas and before New Year, it is also ligher than normal traffic. Hotels are particulaly full over new year's eve.

As for LA Cafe, I have never seen it empty but you can assume many of the girls will go to their families in the provinces. But also as many are local, they still want spending money and need to eat.

Can't help you with the buses but can guess that if the buses run on the 25th, you will be the only one one them. I can't imagin that they would be crowded on the 26th either. Most likely they will stay in the provinces for the weekend.

[X Man]

Filipinos like to go out on Christmas day so forget about taking a taxi anywhere. Complete gridlock in Manila. I would suggest you get a hotel reservation. A lot of Philippine foreign workers come back to visit family, so hotels and flights will often fill up.

I think LA cafe will be open.

As for transport to AC, use Fly the Bus or the other service (forgot the name). There are more than the usual foreigners in town during that time but those bus runs generally don't get many locals on board. I would think most buses run on Christmas.

In Phil., I found that New Year seems to be a more family oriented holiday and that would be the day when bars would close and bargirls would head off to their hometowns. Christmas tends to be more party oriented and bars and bargirls know that this is a great time to make money.

X


I will be heading to the Philippines during the Christmas break. I will arrive in Manila at Noon on the 24th and be there until the morning of the 29th. I have some questions, please forgive me if they are stupid:

1. What is Manila like during the 24th and 25th when it comes to mongering? I've read that LA Cafe is open 24 hours a day, but even on December 25th? Also, how is the selection? I'm assuming it's not as good as it usually is.

2. I would like to leave Manila on the 26th and spend the weekend in Angeles. But I've read that is one of the worst times to travel by bus in the PI since everyone is going somewhere. Would there be seats available on the 26th? Or would it be better to go on the 25th? Do buses even run on Xmas day?

3. Do I need to make hotel reservations or can I just show up and find something in Manila? Same in Angeles. I don't need anything fancy, the Executive Plaza looks fine to me.

I guess what I'm asking is; what the hell should I do?? If I were going at any other time I would just follow the great advice on the forum, but going over Xmas, I'm honestly not sure what would be best. Should I line up some girls before I go, through the internet. I have no idea.

Any feedback is appreciated.

[Cuba Tourist]

Do things go back to normal on December 26th?

[Warmjan]

Does anyone know the easiest way to get from Boracay to Camiguin by plane? Is it best to fly back to Manila and then to Cagayan de Oro, or can I go to Cebu and then on from there?

Thanks

[Jambo]

I do not believe there is a ferry to Camiguin from Cebu. You will have to get to CDO, then by car to the ferry terminal across from Camiguin. About 2-3 hr drive.

[Mongering1]

I will be heading to the Philippines during the Christmas break. I will arrive in Manila at Noon on the 24th and be there until the morning of the 29th. I have some questions, please forgive me if they are stupid:

1. What is Manila like during the 24th and 25th when it comes to mongering? I've read that LA Cafe is open 24 hours a day, but even on December 25th? Also, how is the selection? I'm assuming it's not as good as it usually is.

2. I would like to leave Manila on the 26th and spend the weekend in Angeles. But I've read that is one of the worst times to travel by bus in the PI since everyone is going somewhere. Would there be seats available on the 26th? Or would it be better to go on the 25th? Do buses even run on Xmas day?

3. Do I need to make hotel reservations or can I just show up and find something in Manila? Same in Angeles. I don't need anything fancy, the Executive Plaza looks fine to me.

I guess what I'm asking is; what the hell should I do?? If I were going at any other time I would just follow the great advice on the forum, but going over Xmas, I'm honestly not sure what would be best. Should I line up some girls before I go, through the internet. I have no idea.

Any feedback is appreciated.

Just come here to AC! Like I've said, well maybe not on this site, but most girls run out of money and so many hotties still here in AC.

Xmas eve, about 5 years ago, I had a girl not up to expactions, no problem at 5am as I got an even better one to replace her.

[Warmjan]

Does anyone have any advice on the relative merits of Camiguin vs Palawan -- in terms of natural beauty and the vibe for traveling? Any nightlife scene or women looking for friends in either place?

Thanks,
WJ

[Key Master]

Does anyone have any advice on the relative merits of Camiguin vs Palawan -- in terms of natural beauty and the vibe for traveling? Any nightlife scene or women looking for friends in either place?
WJ

I was in Palawan, but did not go stay in Puerto Princessa. Palawan is good for sight seeing, diving, snorkeling and such. I was in El Nido and Sabang in Palawan and did not see anything for nightlife. Did I see some women looking for whatever, yes. Would I have done them, no. I brought my own, and that would be my recommendation if want company with you in Palawan. But for anytime you take a woman with you, choose wisely. If you go to Palawan, and she's wrong friend to bring. It's not like Angeles or Manila where they are easily replaced. Recommendation for Palawan, go there for the beauty and the outdoor activities and not for mongering.

[ReallyaNiceGuy]

Manila – Return trip

Did a lot of sight seeing during the day. I got a fairly good map of the city from the Hyatt Hotel in Malate. I guess if you just took a taxi everywhere it would be easy to get around this city but if you’re going to do it on your own like I did, walking free, jeepney 8P and local busses 11P, it’s really hard if it’s your first time here. Everyone was helpful with pointing me in the right direction or telling me which jeepney/bus to take. Talked with a lot of regular girls along the way, they are so sweet, shy and soft spoken. But I still made it everywhere I wanted to go and I had fun and meet some nice people along the way.

SM Mall in Malate – I went here every day/night to hang out, eat or shop and was approached several times every visit. Some were young, some were older and some were TG’s so be careful and ask like I did, “Can I ask you a personal question, are you a girl?” I knew they weren’t and all answered truthfully.
I tried hanging out at the Starbucks looking for FL’er but didn’t have any luck, guess no one wants a 60-year-old guy, but still had fun talking to the regular girls there.
I played it safe and never took a girl from the mall or the street.

Executive Plaza Hotel Malate – I liked this place a lot. Booked my room through Agoda and got the room for $40 US instead of the $57 they advertise.
It’s close to LA Café and seeing that I never got to any other areas to play it was good for me. Internet sucked and was expensive. They make you sigh up for a plan, 1-hour of use for 240 P good for 24 hours, 4-hours of use for 480 P good for 36 hours or 16-hours of use for 960 P good for 48 hours. I tried the 4-hour for 480 P and, because I signed out when I wasn’t using it and I was busy with other things, I only used about 1.5 hours before the 36 hours ran out. Not a good deal at all.

Butterfly Bar – Out walking around one evening and stopped in here just to have a Coke and rest my tired feet. It was quiet and empty, 4 girls/women working behind the bar, 4 young waitress, a couple of older ladies offering massage, 3 20-30 year olds that I took to be working girls and 4 customers, including me, 2 guys were playing pool and 1 guy was sitting with one of the working girls.
I really was tired and didn’t plan on taking anyone but after talking with one, her name started with either C or S, said she was 27, and her coming down to 750 P for a few hours, I agreed. She was fun in bed and we had a nice time together. She stayed for over 3 hours, 2 pops she showered and left. Sorry, no photos because she said she doesn’t do this often. Yea right.

Mike

[HornyGeorge]

Christmas Day is VERY different there than here. NOBODY stays home with their family. I was at Mall of Asia last Christmas and the traffic and the crowds were beyond belief. 2 hour + wait to eat, they ran out of Pisos at ATMs and exchange houses (I had JUST arrived and only had dollars) just an absolute mob scene. IF they had a Fire Marshall he would have shut it down.

Not sure about finding girls but EVERYBODY is out and about and traffic is otherworldly. This Pasko I plan to stay in a very remote area (thinking of Batanes).

Getting to Camiguin is a major pain since SEAir flight stopped operating. Ditto Baguio. AsianSpirit recently became Zestair and they stopped the Baguio flight meaning ONLY Laoag (and Tugeraro which is way the F out there away from the coast)has air service now in Northern Luzon.

[Buko Max]

Does anyone know the easiest way to get from Boracay to Camiguin by plane? Is it best to fly back to Manila and then to Cagayan de Oro, or can I go to Cebu and then on from there?
Zest Airways (formally known as Asian Spirit Airlines) flies to Boracay from MNL and CEB. www.asianspirit.com

The same airline I thought flew to Camiguin from Cebu but apparently that isn't the case now. Maybe that service is seasonal.

[HornyGeorge]

Mattrick: It was SEAIR, not Asian Spirit, that served Camiguin from Cebu. It is not seasonal, it is dead. HOPEFULLY another carrier will fill the void (ditto Baguio service).

Getting to Boracay is easy. The trouble is because it is so easy it is horribly overcrowded (and overpriced).

[ReallyaNiceGuy]

Internet - I found a fast and cheap, 1 P a minute/60 P an hour, place. It’s called 365 ATTO Internet Café, 328-8816. It’s across from the Robinsons Mall where the Starbucks is, above the massage place, on Admatico Street. They let me hook my MacBook Pro too.

Taxi – There is a guy in front of the Executive Hotel/7-11 named Willie Monton, and 3 of his friends.
I took Willies taxi one time and I’m glad I did. He took me to catch a bus and my camera fell out of my pocket in his car. I had his card with me so I called him, he found the camera and I asked him to turn it in to the hotel for me. I called the hotel and sure enough they had it waiting for me. When I saw Willie again I offered him 500 P as a thank you and he wouldn’t take it.
They are not metered taxis and he says they charge a fair flat rate. At least they are honest and you can trust them to take care of you. I used one of his friends there to take me to the airport, he asked for 500 P but settled for 300 so it doesn’t hurt to ask.
Willie told me he can get girls too but I never got the time to try them. He takes you to an apartment where you get to meet and choose one. Willie said the best time to go to the apartment is between 4 and 6 PM. They stay all night and it’s 1400 P.

Walking around with a backpack – I had an incident at the mall with my backpack on. I was in a crowded line and I thought I felt something/someone pulling/nudging on my backpack, I reached around and everything was OK but there were 3 guys behind me with a look about them. I took it off and carried it over one shoulder in front of me after that. Just be careful.

Mike

[FreebieFan]

Back story that prceded this one reminded me of something.

Some time back I score a lovely girl. Princess something she called herself. Took her for nice lunch then got her to Sogo. Got her in bra and panties and thought, this is Kodak moment.

Reached into my backpack for my Sony digital. Which was full of pics of variou ladies. And no where to be found.

Sadly. Some bastard had removed it from my backpack in Glorietta the day before. Was an old camera and needed replacing, the pics were all ladies which Id already saved anyways, and having stolen it, the guy would have had to buy a battery charger to have any use from it anyways. But backpacks, . Wear them on front or hold them in crowded place is good advice.

[Primo Bolan]

Back story that prceded this one reminded me of something.

Some time back I score a lovely girl. Princess something she called herself. Took her for nice lunch then got her to Sogo. Got her in bra and panties and thought, this is Kodak moment.

Reached into my backpack for my Sony digital. Which was full of pics of variou ladies. And no where to be found.

Sadly. Some bastard had removed it from my backpack in Glorietta the day before. Was an old camera and needed replacing, the pics were all ladies which Id already saved anyways, and having stolen it, the guy would have had to buy a battery charger to have any use from it anyways. But backpacks, . Wear them on front or hold them in crowded place is good advice.

Good advice! My backpack was opened when I had it on my back but this was in a europe. Had my Canon EOS in it, but they didnt take it. Subway.
Anyway where is the most likely place to get robbed or picked in the Philippines? Manila?

[Darth Sushi]

Good advice! My backpack was opened when I had it on my back but this was in a europe. Had my Canon EOS in it, but they didnt take it. Subway.
Anyway where is the most likely place to get robbed or picked in the Philippines? Manila?
Pickpockets: escalators, jeepneys, MRT (subway), buses (especially in Manila), anywhere crowded
Keep your wallet in your front pocket.

Robbed: cops/LTO (especially if you're driving), alone on the streets after dark, etc....

[Samar 2009]

Could anyone give me accurate advice?

I am planning to visit Phils early next year. I usually call my GF in Thailand every second day, however my Phils number appear on her cell phone and she knows I'm in Phils. Is there any way to call her from my cell phone with a Phils SIM card without my number being shown on her cell phone?

Please advise if you are 100% sure.

Thanks in advance,

ACE

[Primo Bolan]

Pickpockets: escalators, jeepneys, MRT (subway), buses (especially in Manila), anywhere crowded
Keep your wallet in your front pocket.

Robbed: cops/LTO (especially if you're driving), alone on the streets after dark, etc....

I never use a wallet when Im in these countrys. I keep my stuff in one of my front pockets in my trousers, and if it gets crowded I can always put down my hand in/on it.

The cops? Ok I know they are corrupt but get robbed?

[Darth Sushi]

The cops? Ok I know they are corrupt but get robbed?
OK, I exaggerated a little but it usually cost me about 500 pesos each time I'm pulled over. A thou for the real greedy ones. AC is not that bad but Manila seems to be the norm.

[Amavida]

Could anyone give me accurate advice?

I am planning to visit Phils early next year. I usually call my GF in Thailand every second day, however my Phils number appear on her cell phone and she knows I'm in Phils. Is there any way to call her from my cell phone with a Phils SIM card without my number being shown on her cell phone?
Please advise if you are 100% sure.
Thanks in advance,

ACEI am 100% sure you cannot call her from a Phils sim card & hide caller your ID. Some Asian countries support caller ID & some don't but bottom line is assume your caller ID will be shown when calling from a Phils sim card. I have tried this I am speaking from experience. You can turn OFF 'show my number' in your cell phone but it will not make any difference - she WILL see your Phils number.

If you are computer savy, have a credit card & willing to put in some effort you CAN make a call that shows a number of your choosing. You must open an account with SKYPE. Use a phone number of your choosing as your User ID when setting up the Skype account. This number will be the one she see's when you call her using skype. I last used this method six months ago & it worked then.

Tips for young cheaters : Be very careful of background noises. If you are supposed to be in Hong Kong but she can hear people/tv's speaking Tagalog it's a dead give away old AcemanMax aint where he says he is... Its amazing how well bloody phones pick up background sound. Best to make calls in the quietest most private place possible like your hotel room etc.. Always have a reason to finish up the phone call. The longer she keeps you on the line the more likely some third party will speak to you & ruin the illusion.

Watch how P4P chicks lie to their mug foreigner BF's with casual ease.. gotta admire a girl who is Cg'ing ya & telling BF on the CP how much she loves him ;)

C'ya
AV

[Samar 2009]

Thanks a lot Amavida. Sounds that you know what you are talking about.

Thanks again,

Ace


I am 100% sure you cannot call her from a Phils sim card & hide caller your ID. Some Asian countries support caller ID & some don't but bottom line is assume your caller ID will be shown when calling from a Phils sim card. I have tried this I am speaking from experience. You can turn OFF 'show my number' in your cell phone but it will not make any difference - she WILL see your Phils number.

If you are computer savy, have a credit card & willing to put in some effort you CAN make a call that shows a number of your choosing. You must open an account with SKYPE. Use a phone number of your choosing as your User ID when setting up the Skype account. This number will be the one she see's when you call her using skype. I last used this method six months ago & it worked then.

Tips for young cheaters : Be very careful of background noises. If you are supposed to be in Hong Kong but she can hear people/tv's speaking Tagalog it's a dead give away old AcemanMax aint where he says he is... Its amazing how well bloody phones pick up background sound. Best to make calls in the quietest most private place possible like your hotel room etc.. Always have a reason to finish up the phone call. The longer she keeps you on the line the more likely some third party will speak to you & ruin the illusion.

Watch how P4P chicks lie to their mug foreigner BF's with casual ease.. gotta admire a girl who is Cg'ing ya & telling BF on the CP how much she loves him ;)

C'ya
AV

[Primo Bolan]

OK, I exaggerated a little but it usually cost me about 500 pesos each time I'm pulled over. A thou for the real greedy ones. AC is not that bad but Manila seems to be the norm.

And what`s the charges? I remember a U-turn on Sukhumvit BKK 95 and it cost us 500 B.

[Darth Sushi]

And what`s the charges? I remember a U-turn on Sukhumvit BKK 95 and it cost us 500 B.
No seat belt (even though mine is always buckled)
The light turned red at the last intersection. (his word against mine...guess who's right)

What I don't like is the fact they can take your license and you can get it back in a couple of days at LTO after you pay the fine. This can be a pain if you live in AC and you're ticketed in Manila. Even in AC, you have to go to San Fernando LTO. Or you can say "can I pay the fine now?" and miraculously, they always say yes with the require amount and you don't get a receipt with an early payment. BTW, it's X-mas time so watch out.

[HornyGeorge]

If you call a cellphone she WILL see where you are calling from. Few landlines have caller ID so that gives you one option if she has a landline.

Skype is cheaper BUT you must set up an account and have a computer.

The more pricey option is to keep using your US sim when you call her. Yes you will pay almost $2 per minute roaming BUT will avoid suspicion (but DO use it in a PERFECTLY quiet place like a suggested). That way she can call you back on your US number also (in case she is checking).

Savvy travelers carry TWO phones: their US phone with US Sim and a PI phone. Suggest you do the same.

[Samar 2009]

Thanks HornyGeorge for your advise. I'm from Australia by the way not U. S.

Yes you are 100% right and also Amavida. I was actually thinking the same way as you said and I got in touch with Vodafone here in Sydney and they allocated roaming to my number.

I will use this method and also carry 2 cellphones with me just in case she calls my number to check on me.

I believe this will be easier than using Skype. More expensive but easier.

I thank you and also Amavida for your help. You are both are a wealth of information.

Thanks again,

Ace


If you call a cellphone she WILL see where you are calling from. Few landlines have caller ID so that gives you one option if she has a landline.

Skype is cheaper BUT you must set up an account and have a computer.

The more pricey option is to keep using your US sim when you call her. Yes you will pay almost $2 per minute roaming BUT will avoid suspicion (but DO use it in a PERFECTLY quiet place like a suggested). That way she can call you back on your US number also (in case she is checking).

Savvy travelers carry TWO phones: their US phone with US Sim and a PI phone. Suggest you do the same.

[Escort Fan]

Are there any good tailors in Manila?

As situation is a bit complex in Thailand I might go to Manila, however I need some suits tailored to start 2009 with fresh ones.

[Darth Sushi]

Are there any good tailors in Manila?

As situation is a bit complex in Thailand I might go to Manila, however I need some suits tailored to start 2009 with fresh ones.
Korea is a better place to buy suits because the barong is formal wear here. It's hard enough to find a shop that sells suits let alone make them.

[Amavida]

Thanks HornyGeorge for your advise. I'm from Australia by the way not U. S.
Yes you are 100% right and also Amavida. I was actually thinking the same way as you said and I got in touch with Vodafone here in Sydney and they allocated roaming to my number.
I will use this method and also carry 2 cellphones with me just in case she calls my number to check on me.
I believe this will be easier than using Skype. More expensive but easier.
I thank you and also Amavida for your help. You are both are a wealth of information.
Thanks again,

AceYou're welcome mate.
The two phone solution has another benefit. If you pick up a honey who wants to keep in touch with txt, put your PI sim card on International Roaming before you return to your home country. She can txt to that for the cost of a local PI sms. You can reply with a sim card from your home country.

The PI telco called SMART requires you to have a minimum balance of P100 & they tell me you cant recharge while out of the PI using a prepaid load card (this may not be correct information from them). Globe International Roaming is presently borked so DON'T waste your money getting a globe sim or load. Most girls have SMART or sometimes SUN sims. Globe has better network in most places, more generous pricing. SUN is small company with dodgy network but very cheap. Im not a big fan of SMART (iffy network & higher prices) but it's probably your best choice overall unfortunately.

One more bit of info, If you are tech savvy and have a reasonably modern phone with a data plan attached you can very easily install a small program on your cell phone called 'Fring'. This is a multiprotocol IM application that lets you IM (ie txt chat) via yahoo, msn, google talk etc through your cell phone. It also allows you to make a skype call through the data connection of your cell phone! Yay! Spoofed phone number! Your speaking through skype by way of Fring on your cell phone but she see's the skpe ID (you use a phone number for this remember).

My point being you no longer need a laptop for eMail, IM, Skype. You can do it all from a modern smart phone. I no longer lug around a laptop or camera. Modern smart phones also have quite decent camera built in.

There was a time when I lugged around a Laptop, Camera, two cell phones, a power board for the 4 chargers, 4 plug adapters & an extension cord. My god! With the airlines getting tough on baggage weight limits it's something to think about..

Only one charger to throw in your bag. No obvious items for theft. No fears of nosy airport/police looking at your.. ahem.. holiday snaps. If you want to be really sure pull the memory card out of your cp & put it in your wallet.

They never look that hard unless you have been a very bad person, in which case nothing will save you.

I realise this may be way too much for many people but I do it & I can tell you it is very easy these days.

Happy cheating! :)
AV

[FreebieFan]

All that Amavida wrote is good and true.... two phones ( even three, is now my norm ) to keep the suspicious hordes at bay)... however if you are trying to escape attention and are in Phils ,ALWAYS remember that if you dont answer your phone or you in a place with low coverage.. the overseas caller wil always get that message that says " subscriber cannot be reached please try later".

Had great fun when a friend had told me he was going to China on business, and I called him and got the "subscriber cant be reached".. he had no idea how I knew where he was when I sent him sms two mins later !

And the way to avoid getting that message... turn off your phone no 1 2 or 3 before you go to Phils and dont turn it on till your back in home country.

[Blair]

Just to add my 2c to the discussion - If you carry a cellphone overseas (roaming), you need to be careful of call progress tones (ringing, busy, unobtainable) and network error messages. Generally the calling party will hear the call progress tones and messages of the (overseas) network you are currently using, and this can be a dead giveaway.

If the calling tone style is more or less the same as wherever you are 'supposed' to be, you should be in the clear, for example it would be hard to tell the difference between a call terminated in UK or Singapore or even Australia. On the other hand an Aus to Thai roaming call will ring with a Thai calling tone, which may cause problems.

You can hear typical calling tones here:

http://www.3amsystems.com/wireline/tone-search.htm

Another gotcha is network error messages. Again, some voice over girl spouting 'The person you are calling is not available, try later' in Indonesian or Tagalog might raise someones suspicion.

Generally, when I've been in this situation, I leave the roaming phone off, just turning on briefly to get messages and return calls (living with the small risk of an incoming call while I'm doing this). If your roaming phone is switched off, calls should just land in your normal (home country) voicemail service. The other option is just to send all incoming calls to directly voicemail -if anyone asks, the expense of roaming calls and the possibility of calls at unsocial hours are a good excuse.

If this topic is covered elsewhere, please forgive the repetition, but mistakes like this can have serious and long lasting consequences for a monger ;)





Thanks HornyGeorge for your advise. I'm from Australia by the way not U. S.

Yes you are 100% right and also Amavida. I was actually thinking the same way as you said and I got in touch with Vodafone here in Sydney and they allocated roaming to my number.

I will use this method and also carry 2 cellphones with me just in case she calls my number to check on me.

I believe this will be easier than using Skype. More expensive but easier.

I thank you and also Amavida for your help. You are both are a wealth of information.

Thanks again,

Ace

[Finrod]

The PI telco called SMART requires you to have a minimum balance of P100 & they tell me you cant recharge while out of the PI using a prepaid load card (this may not be correct information from them).
You're right, it's not correct. I can and have used Smart load cards while overseas. Texting on a Smart SIM from overseas costs 20 pesos per text and using a load card from overseas will cost 20 pesos for that text message as well. Load cards are normally good for up to 6 months from the date of purchase so I buy a few before I leave the RP. A slightly more expensive online alternative to buying load cards to carry with you is http://www.aryty.com.


One more bit of info, If you are tech savvy and have a reasonably modern phone with a data plan attached you can very easily install a small program on your cell phone called 'Fring'. This is a multiprotocol IM application that lets you IM (ie txt chat) via yahoo, msn, google talk etc through your cell phone. It also allows you to make a skype call through the data connection of your cell phone! Yay! Spoofed phone number! Your speaking through skype by way of Fring on your cell phone but she see's the skpe ID (you use a phone number for this remember).

My point being you no longer need a laptop for eMail, IM, Skype. You can do it all from a modern smart phone. I no longer lug around a laptop or camera. Modern smart phones also have quite decent camera built in.

There was a time when I lugged around a Laptop, Camera, two cell phones, a power board for the 4 chargers, 4 plug adapters & an extension cord. My god! With the airlines getting tough on baggage weight limits it's something to think about..

Only one charger to throw in your bag. No obvious items for theft. No fears of nosy airport/police looking at your.. ahem.. holiday snaps. If you want to be really sure pull the memory card out of your cp & put it in your wallet.

They never look that hard unless you have been a very bad person, in which case nothing will save you.

I realise this may be way too much for many people but I do it & I can tell you it is very easy these days.

Happy cheating! :)
AV
Any recommendations from you or other posters regarding such "all-in-one" phones? I normally take laptop with me, but that's because I'm working remotely some of the time. I'm contemplating taking a real vacation trip without the laptop, but internet withdrawal is sorta hard.

[Samar 2009]

Thanks again A.V. Your knowledge is extraordinary for the problem that I had.

Regarding not using a laptop, unfortunatly I do carry one on my trips cause of my profession being a Financial Analyst and I use it constantly.

Regarding using my PI sim in Australia, I didn't know that.

Yes I do have a SMART sim and you are correct : most of the honeys do use SMART sim cards.

Have a good day mate and thanks for the info you and H.G have provided.

Best regards to you and HornyGeorge...........Ace


You're welcome mate.

The two phone solution has another benefit. If you pick up a honey who wants to keep in touch with txt, put your PI sim card on International Roaming before you return to your home country. She can txt to that for the cost of a local PI sms. You can reply with a sim card from your home country.

The PI telco called SMART requires you to have a minimum balance of P100 & they tell me you cant recharge while out of the PI using a prepaid load card (this may not be correct information from them). Globe International Roaming is presently borked so DON'T waste your money getting a globe sim or load. Most girls have SMART or sometimes SUN sims. Globe has better network in most places, more generous pricing. SUN is small company with dodgy network but very cheap. Im not a big fan of SMART (iffy network & higher prices) but it's probably your best choice overall unfortunately.

One more bit of info, If you are tech savvy and have a reasonably modern phone with a data plan attached you can very easily install a small program on your cell phone called 'Fring'. This is a multiprotocol IM application that lets you IM (ie txt chat) via yahoo, msn, google talk etc through your cell phone. It also allows you to make a skype call through the data connection of your cell phone! Yay! Spoofed phone number! Your speaking through skype by way of Fring on your cell phone but she see's the skpe ID (you use a phone number for this remember).

My point being you no longer need a laptop for eMail, IM, Skype. You can do it all from a modern smart phone. I no longer lug around a laptop or camera. Modern smart phones also have quite decent camera built in.

There was a time when I lugged around a Laptop, Camera, two cell phones, a power board for the 4 chargers, 4 plug adapters & an extension cord. My god! With the airlines getting tough on baggage weight limits it's something to think about..

Only one charger to throw in your bag. No obvious items for theft. No fears of nosy airport/police looking at your.. ahem.. holiday snaps. If you want to be really sure pull the memory card out of your cp & put it in your wallet.

They never look that hard unless you have been a very bad person, in which case nothing will save you.

I realise this may be way too much for many people but I do it & I can tell you it is very easy these days.

Happy cheating! :)

AV

[Ekspat]

The PI telco called SMART requires you to have a minimum balance of P100 & they tell me you cant recharge while out of the PI using a prepaid load card (this may not be correct information from them).
About the balance it's correct, but you can reload overseas with such a prepaid reload card.
100%, because I've done it already.

Thank god I'm unmarried and don't have to consider such nonsense, hehe... :D

I carry usually laptop and phone and DSLR.
Sorry, the pics out of a handphone are simply crap.
Personal laptop in hotel room is much more convenient than sitting with dozens of youngsters in a hot internet cafe.
Better carry a cheap simple handphone (call and txt only) in the Phils,
a 1,000$ phone is very attractive for any pickpocket and makes you a target.

Cheers!

[Ekspat]

And recently I've got a phone here, able to work with two SIM cards.
Functions very well, Chinese brand, MP3 player, video player, touch screen etc.
Not too bad.

Cheers!

[Samar 2009]

Thanks Blair for the info you have provided. yes I do switch off my roaming cell phone but only for about half a day.

Also thanks for the advice regarding the different ring tones for different countries.

Best regards,

Ace


Just to add my 2c to the discussion - If you carry a cellphone overseas (roaming), you need to be careful of call progress tones (ringing, busy, unobtainable) and network error messages. Generally the calling party will hear the call progress tones and messages of the (overseas) network you are currently using, and this can be a dead giveaway.

If the calling tone style is more or less the same as wherever you are 'supposed' to be, you should be in the clear, for example it would be hard to tell the difference between a call terminated in UK or Singapore or even Australia. On the other hand an Aus to Thai roaming call will ring with a Thai calling tone, which may cause problems.

You can hear typical calling tones here:

http://www.3amsystems.com/wireline/tone-search.htm

Another gotcha is network error messages. Again, some voice over girl spouting 'The person you are calling is not available, try later' in Indonesian or Tagalog might raise someones suspicion.

Generally, when I've been in this situation, I leave the roaming phone off, just turning on briefly to get messages and return calls (living with the small risk of an incoming call while I'm doing this). If your roaming phone is switched off, calls should just land in your normal (home country) voicemail service. The other option is just to send all incoming calls to directly voicemail -if anyone asks, the expense of roaming calls and the possibility of calls at unsocial hours are a good excuse.

If this topic is covered elsewhere, please forgive the repetition, but mistakes like this can have serious and long lasting consequences for a monger ;)

[HornyGeorge]

Using your Paypal account, you can instantly add "eloads" to SMART or GLOBE cellphones in the PI.

You pay a small premium: for example-a 115 Piso load costs $2. 85 CURRENTLY-they do adjust with exchange rate fluctuations whereas at 50 Piso per dollar it should cost about $2. 35). Even with a slight premium being collected, it is WAY better to reload your phone right before arrival so you have load when you arrive at airport. Also for girls you want to be able to text you without sending them money.

www.e-loads.net

[FreebieFan]

I always make sure I have a spare smart load card in my travel bag.

That way its loaded as soon as plane lands, and already then I'm working phones seeing how quickly I can make a meeting and get laid. The record is 2 hours off the plane having stopped in my condo first.

However. Smart load cards, once loaded only last about 6 weeks I think, so if not used and no return visits to Phils within 6 weeks balance dissapears. Thats why you need to keep spare cards.

I was blown away when I made a visit to China and checked my China sim. I hadnt been there for 18 months. But I still had load. Much better if thats what happened in Phils.

I did try buying once at airport. In that dingy area across from arrivals (down the ramp across the road). I asked for a P300 card and the guy wanted to charge me P350. Bastard. I held out P350 in my hand and let him take the money, but held onto the P50. Walked away.

[Robbaf]

Thanks HG, excellent site.

Robb


Using your Paypal account, you can instantly add "eloads" to SMART or GLOBE cellphones in the PI.

You pay a small premium: for example-a 115 Piso load costs $2. 85 CURRENTLY-they do adjust with exchange rate fluctuations whereas at 50 Piso per dollar it should cost about $2. 35). Even with a slight premium being collected, it is WAY better to reload your phone right before arrival so you have load when you arrive at airport. Also for girls you want to be able to text you without sending them money.

www.e-loads.net

[Asianatic]

I've been trying to find the answer at the forum first,but it looks like searching a needle in a hayfield.
I got a message from Arizona Hotel that they would pick us (3 guys) by private van at NAIA up at a fare of 4,500P. It is just at a convenient time somewhere afternoon.
Are there cheaper ways to get a decent transport to reach hotel ? Is this a normal rate ?
We don't like to waste lots of time by looking for a bus that make stops on its way, but rather wanna get to the hotel quick. I guess the hotel's van would be our only option ? How about taxi ?
Sorry folks, it will be our first time to Subic - we gotta learn the ways.
Thanks for all your input.

[X Man]

Considering your requirements, and assuming the fee is per three people, it sounds reasonable. You could easily inquire at other hotels just to see if there is a better fee. I'll assume you've already read about the MNL - AC - Subic buses for horntoads.

Taxi might be a better option. The airport taxis are usually newer, ride is more comfortable, and drivers have some smarts (could be good or bad). You probably would want to ask for a nearby hotel / destination and then negotiate from there. Maybe another member could give you contact info to save you the airport runaround.

Have fun,

X










I've been trying to find the answer at the forum first,but it looks like searching a needle in a hayfield.
I got a message from Arizona Hotel that they would pick us (3 guys) by private van at NAIA up at a fare of 4,500P. It is just at a convenient time somewhere afternoon.
Are there cheaper ways to get a decent transport to reach hotel ? Is this a normal rate ?
We don't like to waste lots of time by looking for a bus that make stops on its way, but rather wanna get to the hotel quick. I guess the hotel's van would be our only option ? How about taxi ?
Sorry folks, it will be our first time to Subic - we gotta learn the ways.
Thanks for all your input.

[Buko Max]

Are there cheaper ways to get a decent transport to reach hotel ? Is this a normal rate ?
Would have to agree with X Man in that it is reasonable. The horntoad shuttles would be in the neighborhood of 1200 php each but you would have to stay in AC for the night. You could of course take a cramped taxi.

The Arizona just acquired a brand new Toyota HiAce 14 person passenger van. So you guys should have plenty of room to spread out. In fact if you want to really go all out, they will get a few of their girls from Score Bar to accompany you guys back to Barretto for a price! Btw, are you staying at Arizona?

[HornyGeorge]

Get AWAY from the airport first, or get a departing taxi with no passengers and agree on price before getting in. I bet if you told your hotel only 1 passenger price is more like 2500.

Bigger questions is WHY Subic? If mongering is the priority, Angeles is 100 times better. If going for the beach, LOADS of places are 100 times better.

[Asianatic]

Thanks for the info brothers. Alright, we have made the reservation for the pick-up van. We really does'nt matter to spend a peso more or less. We just want to make sure that we are not being fooled so now with your info, we feel alright with the fare anyhow.
Yes, we're staying at the Arizona untill Christmas day. After dozens of visits to the region (mainly Phuket), we want to get into something new and check out Subic before we're heading to Boracay and later back to Phuket again.
Mattrick, do you mean the hotel can send ladies to the airport to give us company during the ride back to Barretto ? That's would be nice add to start off our holidays.
Again, thanks for the replies and we can't wait to dive into the Subic nights...

[Buko Max]

Mattrick, do you mean the hotel can send ladies to the airport to give us company during the ride back to Barretto ?
Yes thats exactly what I mean! But I believe you will have to pay their BF. Either way I'm sure you will enjoy this up and coming destination which now boasts close to 30 bars! Please file a FR upon your return!

[HornyGeorge]

Barrio Barretto now has "close to 30" gogo bars? It was closer to 3 when I was there in early 90s). Might have to take a look some time as the drive on the Expressway is so quick nowadays.

[Asianatic]

That's great news ! We'll try to check out as much as possible and post a FR. Is there any popular nightclub (discotheque type) in town ? We like to rave and party till sunrise and then get home with a couple of chicks.

I just hope that it'll be fine during christmas eve as well. On Christmas day (25th) we'll checking out from Arizona and proceed to Manila. I guess the only option there would be LA Cafe during that night as I read at another thread on this great forum ?

[Buko Max]

Barrio Barretto now has "close to 30" gogo bars? It was closer to 3 when I was there in early 90s).
Well I'm also including the bars in Subic City (Calapandayan) just 2 km up the road. Five new ones have opened in BB the last six months including two owned by 'Mo' of Angeles fame. Yeah you should give it a try. Good mix of beach and bars!

Asianatic: Check the Olongapo thread.

[Catswhiskers]

Guys,

Genuine problem here. Last trip- had fun with a friend of a friend. She is pregnant. Usual story. Quite likely to be mine. What is the cost of an abortion in Manila these days?

Anyone have advice?

Don't need lecturing about condoms or "is it really yours? " just need some accurate info about potential costs.

Thanks and Happy mongering

[GoodEnough]

Don't know in Manila, but a friend of mine recently paid Php25,000 here in Davao, but that was to an actual doctor and for the post-treatment work as well.

[Sammon]

My gf was pregnant . She lives in Zamboanga. Total cost of abortion is arpund 3500 pesos.
If you are interested in the breakdown of charges pm me and I will forward her e mail to you.
Never pay 25000 pesos. it is way too much. Maybe he meant 2500 pesos.

[Blade1]

Guys,

Genuine problem here. Last trip- had fun with a friend of a friend. She is pregnant. Usual story. Quite likely to be mine. What is the cost of an abortion in Manila these days? Another way is to have a medical abortion through pills you can get them at the local pharmacies. BUT never use if she is more than 9weeks into pregnancy. There are 2 pills she can take Mifepristone and Misoprostol together they have a success rate of 97%. Dont remember the prices but shouldnt be that expensive maybe. But 1st of all make sure that she really is pregnant. By using pregnancy tests the costs 25$ (if i remember correctly) so its very expensive for ordniary filipinas.

I can relate to ur situation ive had a smiliar experience with my filipina wife we had unnprotected sex twice and she got pregnant. She had only 6months until graduation but her school had a policy which meant she cant graduate if she is pregnant.

She only used 1 of them pills i think it was Misoprostol which has a 80% success rate and it worked. She used this pill 3 weeks into pregnancy.

But you and her have to know about the risks. My wife bled a lot after using this pill and she fainted due to the blood loss. This can be deadly if nobody is there for her. Having said this medical abortion such as this is used a lot in western countries as here in sweden.

Here is a link about everything u NEED/MUST know about these abortion pills and risks. Dont USE anything until u have read this website.

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-274-en.html

[Catswhiskers]

My gf was pregnant . She lives in Zamboanga. Total cost of abortion is arpund 3500 pesos.

If you are interested in the breakdown of charges pm me and I will forward her e mail to you.

Never pay 25000 pesos. it is way too much. Maybe he meant 2500 pesos.Thanks guys - keep it coming ... I would like to try and get a ball park figure - and then at least I can talk it thru with her.

Good thing was - it was one hell of a shag !

[Hairy Wonder]

Guys,

I have notice some of you using smiley codes in your reports, but have not been able to find a reference for the codes. I know just a few basic ones, like wink ;) and big grin :D. Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding the reference list of these codes. I saw a new member on another part of the forum mention that they were not able to use smileys, and I want to offer them the reference list also.

Thanks for the help!

Happy Mongering!
HW

[Buko Max]

I have notice some of you using smiley codes in your reports, but have not been able to find a reference for the codes.
Hello HW,

Go to the bottom left hand corner of this page and you will see the link in the 'Posting Limitations box'. :cool:

[Weelock]

Guys,

I have notice some of you using smiley codes in your reports, but have not been able to find a reference for the codes. I know just a few basic ones, like wink ;) and big grin :D. Can anybody point me in the right direction for finding the reference list of these codes. I saw a new member on another part of the forum mention that they were not able to use smileys, and I want to offer them the reference list also.

Thanks for the help!

Happy Mongering!
HW

Try the link below for a listing of smiley codes.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/misc.php?do=showsmilies

There's also a FAQ, search, etc located above for those who don't know.

[Hairy Wonder]

Hello HW,

Go to the bottom left hand corner of this page and you will see the link in the 'Posting Limitations box'. :cool:

:eek: Go figure! It was hiding in plain site! :o I guess I should have tried to look a little harder. :rolleyes:

Thanks Mattrick! :cool:

I have found a list of common smiley codes at
www.msfn.org/board/index.php?act=legends&CODE=emoticons

Happy Mongering! :w00t: (don't know if this works or not on ISG)
HW

[Catswhiskers]

Another way is to have a medical abortion through pills you can get them at the local pharmacies. BUT never use if she is more than 9weeks into pregnancy. There are 2 pills she can take Mifepristone and Misoprostol together they have a success rate of 97%. Dont remember the prices but shouldnt be that expensive maybe. But 1st of all make sure that she really is pregnant. By using pregnancy tests the costs 25$ (if i remember correctly) so its very expensive for ordniary filipinas.

I can relate to ur situation ive had a smiliar experience with my filipina wife we had unnprotected sex twice and she got pregnant. She had only 6months until graduation but her school had a policy which meant she cant graduate if she is pregnant.

She only used 1 of them pills i think it was Misoprostol which has a 80% success rate and it worked. She used this pill 3 weeks into pregnancy.

But you and her have to know about the risks. My wife bled a lot after using this pill and she fainted due to the blood loss. This can be deadly if nobody is there for her. Having said this medical abortion such as this is used a lot in western countries as here in sweden.

Here is a link about everything u NEED/MUST know about these abortion pills and risks. Dont USE anything until u have read this website.

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-274-en.htmlExcellent report Blade 1. I have sent this to her. And she is looking at the pill option. If she was a little older and I was a little younger I'd probably "do the right thing" and take a gamble on a new wife but this is best for us both.

Thanks again. Fingers crossed now.

[Amavida]

Don't know in Manila, but a friend of mine recently paid Php25,000 here in Davao, but that was to an actual doctor and for the post-treatment work as well.I concur on costs in Manila GE. Cant comment on other areas.

Since abortion is illegal in Phils the girl must procure the drug from just inside the church in Quiapo. One cannot bowl up to a drug store & buy it over the counter (in my experience).

IF the abortion drug works the girl WILL very likely need to have a medical procedure called a Dilatation & Curettage ( D 'n C in popular parlance).

In Manila the cost of the drugs + a good doc + a decent hospital + post op pain killers & iron tablets will cost the punter all of 25,000+

AV

[Amavida]

Any recommendations from you or other posters regarding such "all-in-one" phones? I normally take laptop with me, but that's because I'm working remotely some of the time. I'm contemplating taking a real vacation trip without the laptop, but internet withdrawal is sorta hard.Returning briefly to the cell phone topic, it depends on your needs.

For me ease of use/stability of the phone operating system is my number one priority. Nothing worse than having a gee wiz smartphone that freezes in the middle of use requiring you to rip rip the back off & yank the battery out just to restart the thing.

Built in camera's typically range from 2 megapixel to 8 these days. The photography nerds will scoff but I have found a 2mpx camera is good enough for happy snaps & (ahem) more intimate pics. 5 or even 8 mpx camera's will give excellent results but not vital. Some camera's have no flash, a draw back in the boudoir, some have LED flashes which are ok for close up work & some have true xenon flashes which drain the battery but give the best results in low light.

I find the high end Sony Ericsson phones have decent operating system & very nice cameras eg K850i etc. I carried one of these around for a year & found it good.

High end Nokia's are well spec'ed but choose carefully as there are many models to choose from and many of those have dreadful operating system problems. N95 8gb model has good battery life, fast operation, good camera. Many of the other 'N' series phones have problems. I had a 6120c Nokia that was surprisingly good but the screen was much too small for me.

These days I use an Apple iPhone 3G because of the superb ease of use & excellent synching of contacts/calendars/music/photos etc to my Mac. I cant tell you how frustrating it is to use a smart phone heavily & then find your info is marooned on it because of synching incompatibilities. iPhone is not for everyone but I don't think I could ever go back to an old fashioned cell phone now after owning one..
AV

[Nvslim]

Happy holidays to all and may there finally be peace on earth.

Slim

[Blade1]

I concur on costs in Manila GE. Cant comment on other areas.

Since abortion is illegal in Phils the girl must procure the drug from just inside the church in Quiapo. One cannot bowl up to a drug store & buy it over the counter (in my experience).

IF the abortion drug works the girl WILL very likely need to have a medical procedure called a Dilatation & Curettage ( D 'n C in popular parlance).

In Manila the cost of the drugs + a good doc + a decent hospital + post op pain killers & iron tablets will cost the punter all of 25,000+

AVOk I should have been much clearer about this abortion pill option. Since its illegal it takes a little effort to get hold of.

To whom it may concern

About this pill "Misoprostol" its used to prevents gastric ulcers but its also used as an abortion pill. '''Cytotec and Cyprostol and Mibetec or Misotrol', Prostokos'' are brand names for Misoprostol. In the Philippines you have Cytotec thats what my wife used to end her pregnancy successfully.

You have to get a prescription from a doctor in order to get it (my wife got her prescription from a doctor who was friend with one of her girlfriends that was probabley very helpfull) offcourse she had to lie about her pregnancy. You can get the pills in local Pharmacies but its kind of rare but she got it there. The major Pharmacies will be more difficault becos they gonna interrogate you over that pill.

With a little effort you should be able to get a prescription and get hold of Cytotec if she can't get it maybe a friend or a relative can get it or maybe you can get it. Just be creative make something up, I have a hard time to see how you would not get it if one really tries because this is a medicine to treat ulcers people do use if for that.

There are a lot of vendors in Quaipo Manila who sells abortion pills illegally and abortion herbal medicine also. But you don't always know what you get so we didn't explore that option

Again this website is actually really good because its an organization dedicated to help women all over the world with unwanted pregnancies you get all the info you need about this and help too if needed. Don't do any abortion pills until reading this website. If you should not be successfull in getting your drug I think you can get help from this website. But its probabley faster to do it on you own.

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-274-en.html

About the costs of abortion 25000PHP+ sound to me a little expensive but I cannot disagree because each cases are diffrent it depends on what you do and where you do it and if there is complications etc etc.

For us the cost was much less and we were lucky I think because no complications and maybe becos we did this at an early stage that probabley helped: the cost of drug was 3000PHP, the examination fee after abortion 2500PHP, no painkillers (her choice I wanted to buy but she declined for some reasons) if your girl wants painkillers you buy it. But it took a little time for her to recover from this. This was in Manila last year.

Catswhiskers I keep my fingers crossed for you and your girl

[X Man]

Typo? Did you mean just outside the church?

Photo attached. I've heard from at least one person that it didn't work.

X


I concur on costs in Manila GE. Cant comment on other areas.

Since abortion is illegal in Phils the girl must procure the drug from just inside the church in Quiapo. One cannot bowl up to a drug store & buy it over the counter (in my experience).

IF the abortion drug works the girl WILL very likely need to have a medical procedure called a Dilatation & Curettage ( D 'n C in popular parlance).

In Manila the cost of the drugs + a good doc + a decent hospital + post op pain killers & iron tablets will cost the punter all of 25,000+

AV

[Amavida]

Typo? Did you mean just outside the church?

Photo attached. I've heard from at least one person that it didn't work.

XDo a search & read my post from exactly 12 months ago on this subject or google cytotek. Its an abortificient used legally in other countries by doctors & illegally by desperate women in the phils. Like all things medical it has side effects & is not 100% guaranteed (close enough).

As of 12 months ago one of the many politically inspired moral outrage 'crackdowns' had driven the vendors INSIDE the church with the unspoken but tacit approval of the church.

You want my girlfriend's phone number so you can quiz her too?
AV

[X Man]

It's not necessary to be rude and it's not necessary for me to go back and read your posts from six months ago. The picture I took was from outside Quiapo church. I didn't go inside because they wouldn't allow me inside with a camera. If I had been inside, my post might have had a different tone. But I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.

Your post in the last 48 hours said "inside" the church.

For the record, Amavida says abortion medicine (snake oil) is being sold inside a Catholic church. I should go back six months and look at his other post, but there is such a consistency of inaccurate information (in my opinion), that I really don't want to bother

Oh, and thank you for your unprovoked and unnecessary personal attack on the Manila thread. I've been rather impressed with most of your posts recently, but too bad you still carry this grudge.

I can't reply to rudeness or insults from AV, but if he has something factual to say I will be happy to reaccess. I've been wrong before and I've apologized before.

x









Do a search & read my post from exactly 12 months ago on this subject or google cytotek. Its an abortificient used legally in other countries by doctors & illegally by desperate women in the phils. Like all things medical it has side effects & is not 100% guaranteed (close enough).

As of 12 months ago one of the many politically inspired moral outrage 'crackdowns' had driven the vendors INSIDE the church with the unspoken but tacit approval of the church.

You want my girlfriend's phone number so you can quiz her too?
AV

[Pute Nut]

Ok I should have been much clearer about this abortion pill option. Since its illegal it takes a little effort to get hold of.

Yes, but it's also possible to use regular birth control pills in lieu of this pill. Feminal used to be the strongest BC pill available on the Phil mkt, but it has been withdrawn (outdated). The ones on the market now should suffice though, if taken in appropriate amounts and intervals. This is best done under medical supervison, of course!

[X Man]

How and when does a SIM card expire?

I have one card that I forgot to bring on my last trip, so it hasn't had a load in about a year.

X

[Yogibear69]

How and when does a SIM card expire?

I have one card that I forgot to bring on my last trip, so it hasn't had a load in about a year.

XI would guess about a year, but you don't have to worry about that. If the card expires you can easily replace it and typically the cost of the new SIM card includes enough minutes so that the cost of the SIM card becomes neglible.

I myself usually buy a 100p reload card before leaving the country so that I can recharge my phone upon landing on the next trip. That way I can have a roommate without barhopping on the first night.

[Amavida]

How and when does a SIM card expire?

I have one card that I forgot to bring on my last trip, so it hasn't had a load in about a year.

XThey have an initial expiry date for FIRST USE. After that they stay active for a long time. Just add some load to it when you arrive X. Then again they are so ridiculously cheap why fret? Toss it & get a new one when you arrive unless you think people still want to contact you on that old number..
AV

[Amavida]

Yes, but it's also possible to use regular birth control pills in lieu of this pill. Feminal used to be the strongest BC pill available on the Phil mkt, but it has been withdrawn (outdated). The ones on the market now should suffice though, if taken in appropriate amounts and intervals. This is best done under medical supervison, of course!The 'Morning after pill' works likes this ok if taken within a short time of the sex act but is NOT appropriate for someone knocked up for a month or more. Abortificient's are the way to go. Read up on this.
AV

[Blade1]

yes, but it's also possible to use regular birth control pills in lieu of this pill. feminal used to be the strongest bc pill available on the phil mkt, but it has been withdrawn (outdated). the ones on the market now should suffice though, if taken in appropriate amounts and intervals. this is best done under medical supervison, of course!i've actually heard about that too. sounds like an interesting option because now i've just found out from a source within the philippines saying: " the authority has been confirep001ing the use of the drug" i'm not exactley sure what this would mean (i can only assume).

[Pute Nut]

The 'Morning after pill' works likes this ok if taken within a short time of the sex act but is NOT appropriate for someone knocked up for a month or more. Abortificient's are the way to go. Read up on this.
AV

You are absolutely correct, it should read "in lieu of Morning After Pill". I read the previous posts sloppily, thanks for pointing this out.

That said, this regimen is useful directly after, and as Mercury et al won't sell you MAP, this is the way to go in those cases..

[Blade1]

i've actually heard about that too. sounds like an interesting option because now i've just found out from a source within the philippines saying: " the authority has been confirep001ing the use of the drug" i'm not exactley sure what this would mean (i can only assume).i was too fast in typing and sending. the drug i was referring to with this satement was cytotec : " the authority has been confirep001ing the use of the drug".

[Amavida]

Gee, after 1680 posts I thought you could answer that one yourself. As far as the "when", look at the expiration date on the card.We all know its just trolling for recognition but its Christmas so we give him the benefit of the doubt... 1680 times... ;)
AV

[Amavida]

i've actually heard about that too. sounds like an interesting option because now i've just found out from a source within the philippines saying: " the authority has been confirep001ing the use of the drug" i'm not exactley sure what this would mean (i can only assume).please go back & read the thread! there are links to clear information on web sites about pregnancy termination options.

overdosing your girlfriend on oral contraceptive pill is not a safe option for early pregnancy termination.

i am reposting this link in the hope that interested parties will get a clue.

http://www.womenonwaves.org/set-274-en.html

since we are talking about the phils where abortion is illegal the unhappy couple must take matters into their own hands by acquiring the abortifiicient drug & then seeking medical treatment for the girl after the fetus has been expelled.

ending a pregnancy by chemical can lead to serious medical complications for the girl. be prepared for medical expenses.

i shudder to think anyone would base their decisions solely on what is posted here. all the best.
av

[Pute Nut]

Overdosing your girlfriend on Oral Contraceptive pill is NOT a safe option for early pregnancy termination.

Of course there is not such a thing as zero risk. Terminating a pregnancy carries a risk, so does giving birth to the child (usually a higher one to boot!).

For instance the oral contracive pill Nordette, widely available in PI pharmacies, contains the very same stuff (Levonorgestrel) as the ECP, but in lower dose.



I shudder to think anyone would base their decisions solely on what is posted here. All the best.
AV

As posted before, proper medical advice should be sought.

[Blade1]

Overdosing your girlfriend on Oral Contraceptive pill is NOT a safe option for early pregnancy termination.

AVOffcourse you should not try to end an abortion by overdosing with Oral Contraceptive pill. You should not do anything you dont know about I think i have made it very clear. You must get the poper info and a very good source is that webpage u just gave the link to thats why ive posted that link 2 times allready.

[Buko Max]

How and when does a SIM card expire?

I have one card that I forgot to bring on my last trip, so it hasn't had a load in about a year.
Most SIM cards expire after six months but I have had them expire after only a few months so your old card is probably history.
It is very important for me to keep the same number so after a month or two I will reload it using Chikka or Pasaload.
A while back, I used an old Nokia which only had room for thirty text messages. Before I left the Phi. I would load the memory up so there would not be any room for incoming texts and have a text in limbo. Upon my return more then six months later the SIM card still worked!

[Amavida]

Most SIM cards expire after six monthsDont know why this varies, i have had sims last much longer than this.
AV

[Amavida]

It is very important for me to keep the same number so after a month or two I will reload it using Chikka.. Um, how on earth do you reload a smart sim from chikka? I understand what chikka is.
I know there is a paid version requiring funds to operate but that money is to operate chikka. Im confused.
AV

[Fast Eddie 48]

Most SIM cards expire after six months but I have had them expire after only a few months so your old card is probably history.

It is very important for me to keep the same number so after a month or two I will reload it using Chikka or Pasaload.

A while back, I used an old Nokia which only had room for thirty text messages. Before I left the Phi. I would load the memory up so there would not be any room for incoming texts and have a text in limbo. Upon my return more then six months later the SIM card still worked!Mattrick,

I think it is 3 month now.

Global changed it.

If most phone companies in Asia, if you don't charge your phone in 3 months it will be cancel.

SIM cards are so cheap, just buy a new one.

I go to Manila 2 times a year, and china 4 times a year.

I just buy a new one every time with a new number.

No big deal, just a monger phone to call the old girl friend and ISG members.

Fast eddie 48

[Buko Max]

Dont know why this varies, i have had sims last much longer than this.
What I meant was that they will expire if there is no activity.



Um, how on earth do you reload a smart sim from chikka? I understand what chikka is.
You can send a load to any cp through Chikka Messenger.
Just set up an i$end e-wallet with payment via PayPal.

[Finrod]

Dont know why this varies, i have had sims last much longer than this.
AV
Regarding Smart, if you don't reload when your load expires, you then have 120 days to reload and keep the number active, otherwise you lose the number. So practically speaking, if you get a Smart sim, put 300 pesos of load on it and don't reload it again, the load will last 60 days and you get to keep the number going for another 120 days so in effect that sim is good for at least 180 days from purchase.

If you go overseas and turn on text roaming, you have to keep a minimum balance of 100 pesos in your sim in order to keep sending and receiving, in addition to the above parameters of activity.

Smart reload cards expire in about 6 months. Their expiration is printed on the back. When you use a sim card, the length of time the load will last depends on the amount purchased.

[Amavida]

You can send a load to any cp through Chikka Messenger.
Just set up an i$end e-wallet with payment via PayPal.Cool! thanks for the info! I will file away for future reference!
AV

[Amavida]

Regarding Smart, if you don't reload when your load expires, you then have 120 days to reload and keep the number active, otherwise you lose the number. So practically speaking, if you get a Smart sim, put 300 pesos of load on it and don't reload it again, the load will last 60 days and you get to keep the number going for another 120 days so in effect that sim is good for at least 180 days from purchase.

What smart tell you is not always correct in my experience. I have had smart sims last much longer.


If you go overseas and turn on text roaming, you have to keep a minimum balance of 100 pesos in your sim in order to keep sending and receiving, in addition to the above parameters of activity.

I am overseas this week. I have a smart sim on roaming with 10 pesos load on it & am receiving txt's no problem.


Smart reload cards expire in about 6 months. Their expiration is printed on the back. When you use a sim card, the length of time the load will last depends on the amount purchased.

The expiration on the sim card is for FIRST USE typically 12 months from purchase. If it is not activated by that date then its kaput. That is different to expiring in use. Yes load cards have finite periods just like prepaid cards all over the world, but the question was how long do sim cards last.
AV

[Catswhiskers]

Pill taken

Passed out - heavy bleeding

Now in hospital

Am waiting for god news

Cross your fingers for her guys - please

[Blade1]

Pill taken

Passed out - heavy bleeding

Now in hospital

Am waiting for god news

Cross your fingers for her guys - pleaseI feel ya and im crossing my fingers

I relly hope you will get good news.

[Blackangst]

pill taken

passed out - heavy bleeding

now in hospital

am waiting for god news

cross your fingers for her guys - please

godspeed :(

[Finrod]

What smart tell you is not always correct in my experience. I have had smart sims last much longer.
OK point taken, their website doesn't correlate with your field experience.


I am overseas this week. I have a smart sim on roaming with 10 pesos load on it & am receiving txt's no problem.
Sorry I should have made clear that a balance of 100 pesos was required for both sending and receiving during international roaming. At 10 pesos of load, yes you can still receive, but you cannot send until you get back into the Phils. Try it, you won't be able to. That I know for sure.


The expiration on the sim card is for FIRST USE typically 12 months from purchase. If it is not activated by that date then its kaput. That is different to expiring in use. Yes load cards have finite periods just like prepaid cards all over the world, but the question was how long do sim cards last.
AV
ok. I was thinking of expirations on reload cards.

[Amavida]

Pill taken
Passed out - heavy bleeding
Now in hospital
Am waiting for god news
Cross your fingers for her guys - pleaseMy prayers are with you both.
You will need to stand by her for the medical expenses which are beyond the average pinay's ability to pay & make sure to give her money to buy pain killers & iron supplements. She will be in pain & anaemic after she gets out of hospital. Their rice & a scrap of fish diet does not help anaemia.
All the best.
AV

[FreebieFan]

Have had a SMART number for past 7 years. Sometimes its up to 3-4 months before I go back to Phils. Number has always been fine.

Did notice in HK tho if my HK sim, can't remember brand, isn't used in 4 months then number is dead.

[Frenchhero]

I might be in Manile ou AC during the holy week in april (9-12 april-).
Does anyone know how is the situating regarding the number of ladies available in both cities?

[Puerto La Cruz]

Have been there two times during holy week. Plenty of women available. If they do leave town to go to the province, its only for a couple of days. Caution though because if you are planning to go to any of the resorts, book well in advance as they fill up for that holiday. Room prices at the resorts will go up by 50% from Good Friday to Easter Sunday as alot of people are trying to get out of Manila. Room prices in Manila will stay the same.

[JackTheLad2]

I would be grateful for some advice and help. I usually do my mongering in Hong Kong and have met a very nice girl that I have now known for nearly a year and have met her twice - the last time she spent 2 weeks with me recently in HK and we had a fabulous time - my reports are in the HK forum. She wants to take me to Manila to visit her family after we meet again in HK next March and I can just about manage a 2/3 day visit without raising anybody's eyebrows at my absence. She lives in City of San Jose Delmonte, Bulacan, Manila and rents a town house there where she lives with her son and niece. (when she is not "working" in HK). She wants me to meet her family and show me how she lives in Manila.

She is not a gold digger - she has never asked me for any money in the year I have known her and the 2 weeks we spent together were a freebie although I obviously gave her something.

My question is - it it safe? What would I need to look out for other than the normal visitor precautions. I have never been in Phil before but have read plenty about it. Any guidance/advice would be most welcome. She is a mature 32 year old - I am double her age!

[Sammon]

Hi Jack,
Manila and Northern Philippines is very safe. Besides you have a local friend with you. Bulacan is not too far from Manila.
I have gone to more remote areas in PHI and never felt threatened. Phi people are very much used to foreigners.
Phi girls are generally very friendly and wants you to meet their family if they like you. As to your relationship with her you are on your own. Phi girls in HK are not as naieve as you think. They want to make as much money as possible to send home. Maybe she thinks you will marry her.
As to me meeting the girls family is like being in a party with lots of strangers. There is nothing common to talk about.
But make a trip to experience yourself.

[Cunning Stunt]

She lives in City of San Jose Delmonte, Bulacan, Manila and rents a town house there where she lives with her son and niece. (when she is not "working" in HK). She wants me to meet her family and show me how she lives in Manila.



I wouldn't worry too much. You do not mention how you met the lady and what she does for a living? I assume that you feel that she is trustworthy?

One thing I would say is for you not to expect too much as regards luxuries etc, if you do opt to go stay with her. Filipino's are proud people and live as well as they able but most are only able to maintain, what to affluent western eyes, is a very basic standard of living. But, believe me, if you can put up for a little while without luxuries and can endure cold showers etc, then her estimation of you will rise tenfold. Consider it, a couple of days roughing it (like a weekend camping holiday), and keep a smile on your face and she will be so made up. She will no doubt, also get loads of kudos in showing you off to her friends and family.

San Jose Delmonte itself is hardly out in the sticks. It is in the northern Metro Manila area adjoining Quezon City, about 1-2 hours from central Manila, depending on the traffic. Its in a fast developing area and is fairly affluent by Manilan standards. The area probably boasts fairly low crime stats compared to other parts of the metropolitan area. You will be fine.

[Azmodeus Fl]

As long as you don't act like a fool you shouldn't have any problems.


Hi Jack,

Manila and Northern Philippines is very safe. Besides you have a local friend with you. Bulacan is not too far from Manila.

I have gone to more remote areas in PHI and never felt threatened. Phi people are very much used to foreigners.

Phi girls are generally very friendly and wants you to meet their family if they like you. As to your relationship with her you are on your own. Phi girls in HK are not as naieve as you think. They want to make as much money as possible to send home. Maybe she thinks you will marry her.

As to me meeting the girls family is like being in a party with lots of strangers. There is nothing common to talk about.

But make a trip to experience yourself.

[Darth Sushi]

My question is - it it safe? What would I need to look out for other than the normal visitor precautions. I have never been in Phil before but have read plenty about it. Any guidance/advice would be most welcome. She is a mature 32 year old - I am double her age!
Just remember, "visiting the family" in the Philippines means your intentions are serious and sincere towards the gal.

[Amavida]

Just remember, "visiting the family" in the Philippines means your intentions are serious and sincere towards the gal.True, its one of those formalities of courting observed in PI.
Did she bring home all the horny little pinoy guys she went with in high school & after? No way!
Meeting the family implies you're husband material.
Some girls are more strict about this than others.
Some may just want to show you off & get second opinions about you :D

Root & run merchants take note, many girls feel a tremendous loss of face if you go through with this & then [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off. Better to be up front & don't hurt her.

I have used dating web sites to meet & root chicks who have become long term GF's. I feel if guys gonna meet chicks that way for root & run they need to be up front that they DONT want relationship IMHO. There are plenty that will agree to a root & run. Leave the other girls alone.
AV

[Nvslim]

Maligayang Pasko

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Manigong Bagong Taon

May the Dollar continue to rise and the price of pussy go down in the new year.

Slim

[Big Johnson2]

I have always been concerned that when I wire money to my GF in Philippines, how do I know she is where she is suppose to be. Example: You send GF money to Samar so she won't have to work in AC.

Money you send to Samar, can actually be picked up ANYWHERE in the Philippines. Did you know this? Same w/ Russia too. Allows for girls easily cheating and other frauds.

Resolution: WU can tell you where the money was picked up. So you can catch the little cheaters if they cheat.

[Big Johnson2]

Filipinas and Thank you.

I see them quick to ask for money and don't like saying Thank You after you give it to them.

In any problem. Quick to tell you what you did wrong. Seldom acknowledge that they they did anything wrong, even if 80% of the problem was their fault.

What have you seen? What can I expect

I know this is a Sex Site, but I think the Philippines a unique country where you can have a GF and others for sex too.

BTW are there any other countries where it is easy like this to get a GF and others on the side?

[Hairy Wonder]

I know this is a Sex Site, but I think the Philippines a unique country where you can have a GF and others for sex too.

BTW are there any other countries where it is easy like this to get a GF and others on the side?

BJ2,

I don't know about doing this in the Philippines or any other country. But I do know that a pissed off Filipina is not something I want to tangle with. And if your Filipina GF finds out about you fucking other Filipinas (or any other nationality) she will be highly pissed off! I have heard about guys, whose gf likes to pick other girls for him to fuck. I thought I had a gf like that once, but it turned out to not be true. All Filipinas that I know, are very jealous, and protective of their "property" (meaning you, your wallet, and your bank accounts).

HW

[Finrod]

i know this is a sex site, but i think the philippines a unique country where you can have a gf and others for sex too.

this discussion really belongs in the "filipinas - opinions and advice" thread, but i'll chime in here. first, if you're playing, it is best to be honest with the girls, that is, let them know you are seeing other girls. i found that they always ask if you have a gf and i would answer that way. that seems to tamp down the jealousy as they realize right away they do not have an exclusive nor can they be sure of getting that from you. sometimes they'll try harder or be clingier.

but once you settle on a gf, her jealousy and possessiveness kick in big time: the one who allows you to play would be very rare so ge's advice here is very sensible: never play in the local area. the filipina grapevine is something else.

[Big Johnson2]

thank your for the advice. i agree 100% about the jealousy. which you can't blame them. i will always go away on business and play in a different city.

my real question was: what other countries are good for getting attractive girl friends. i know that eastern europe has gotten too rich to easily find girls that want a foreign boy friend.


this discussion really belongs in the "filipinas - opinions and advice" thread, but i'll chime in here. first, if you're playing, it is best to be honest with the girls, that is, let them know you are seeing other girls. i found that they always ask if you have a gf and i would answer that way. that seems to tamp down the jealousy as they realize right away they do not have an exclusive nor can they be sure of getting that from you. sometimes they'll try harder or be clingier.

but once you settle on a gf, her jealousy and possessiveness kick in big time: the one who allows you to play would be very rare so ge's advice here is very sensible: never play in the local area. the filipina grapevine is something else.

[Cbea20]

I have always been concerned that when I wire money to my GF in Philippines, how do I know she is where she is suppose to be. Example: You send GF money to Samar so she won't have to work in AC.

Money you send to Samar, can actually be picked up ANYWHERE in the Philippines. Did you know this? Same w/ Russia too. Allows for girls easily cheating and other frauds.

Resolution: WU can tell you where the money was picked up. So you can catch the little cheaters if they cheat.

Also important: Can she tell from WU where you sent the money from?

[Amavida]

Also important: Can she tell from WU where you sent the money from?Yes she can. All she has to do is ask the attendant. Most girls lead simple lives but they are used to pinoy guy's cheating. Its second nature for them to double check 'details'. Watch your back players! ;)
AV

[Sol111]

Posted under the Chat Rooms & Pen Pals forum (cuz I didn't know where else to post it) is a recent pinay scammer for those interested.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=829332&postcount=1308

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=829518&postcount=1317

[Big Johnson2]

I don't think she can tell. The sheet that is produced does not have my address on it only my name, etc.


Also important: Can she tell from WU where you sent the money from?

[GoodEnough]

Rgbburn, thanks for the honesty and willing to share with all of us. I'm sorry for the pain this must have caused you, and I wish you could disseminate this to every board on the Internet on which guys post who are committed to ladies they met on the Internet. I belong to another (non sex) board that involves posts from guys planning to move and/or retire here. Many of them are coming to marry women that they've never met, and they believe none of the warnings that those of us to live here send them. The argument is always the same: "Yes, but this one is different." They never listen. Maybe reading the recap of your story might shock some of them into rationality.

I've now been here for more than five years, and I've seen it all. It's terribly unfortunate that stories like yours are not uncommon. Thankfully, you did not get as far as some of the guys, who walk off the plane, besotted with the idea that someone half their age loves them and will screw them to death, and promptly get married.

Thanks again.

GE

[SergeantRay]

Rgbburn,

Thanks for posting your story. I think everyone here should see the real lesson; although rgbburn feels badly, he came out the best.

Every guy who sat at home and sent money, who never got off his @ss to come to the Philippines, got taken.

By not making excuses, and actually taking action to travel to the PI, rgbburn came off better than than the armchair fantasizers.

I think a key to measuring a woman's character is to look at her friends and family. What kind of people are they? Although nothing in life is sure, I think it helps to take the focus off of her and to look at those around her.

[Spanish Main]

My girlfriend and I would like to spend a month living on the beach somewhere. We would also like a bisexual girl or two to live with us to share our fantasy of having a harem to have fun with. A non-stop feast of pleasure with good food, good wine and great sex.

Any advice on location, how to find the girls, prices and so on would be greatly appreciated.

[Columpuss]

Spanish
You and your girl living on the beach for a month is no problem. But the other fantasy would be best kept as a fantasy. There is a huge difference between what you see in porn and reality. You usually ended up losing your girl in the process

[Cbea20]

Spanish
You and your girl living on the beach for a month is no problem. But the other fantasy would be best kept as a fantasy. There is a huge difference between what you see in porn and reality. You usually ended up losing your girl in the process

I second that comment. Whether they get along or fight all day, they will be speaking in their native language, leaving you outside.

[James In Japan]

Hello All- I've been a member on here for nearly a year, and have found the boards to be very informative. By nature, I'm not so much a mongerer as a traveler, but I find the quality of information to be far superior on here.

My question and the reason I'm posting is this: I'm a 34, American living in Japan. I'm single, in decent shape and make a fair income. I've been to PI once last August for a few weeks, and completely loved it and I'm going back in late Feb/Early March again. I'm interested in meeting a Pinay on one of these trips, someone that could be family material someday. So, I'm looking for advice on where I should go location wise, and any tactics that can help weed out the bad ones. I've tried meeting people online prior (DIA) and have had the same experience as most on here. I noticed quite a bit of ptential at the various malls, but seems everyone thought I was there to monger. Or "ohh you must have a girlfriend" etc. So what should I do and where should I go folks?

I'll be in country for 2 weeks this time, and am planning on hitting Bora again maybe and perhaps Palawan but haven't firmed anything up yet.

[Jambo]

We would also like a bisexual girl or two to live with us I had an experience like this some years ago. I met a pinay through Yahoo members. She was an OFW and coming home to Manila on her break. She had a good job in the restaurant business in Europe. Very smart girl, dressed well, did not need money. She was approaching 30 and probably wanted to find a husband.

Anyway, she told me she was bi. She was very aggressive sexually--more like a European girl in attitude. We played some Dominant/submissive games. I would text her things like, "want to come over and fuck?". She wanted to try another girl with me. We picked up a girl in a casa and shared her, but it was not so fun. At the casa the pro she said she would have sex with my girl, but in the hotel, she did not want to eat her pussy, which is what my bi gf especially wanted. Also, I wore a condom, and my gf got nervous about the casa girl, and would make me change the condom after I was in her.

So we needed a fresh girl we could trust. I was working on an innocent "virgin" I had also met on Yahoo. We never hooked up, but the plan was to bring her over, and then have my bi gf come up and join us. The idea being the innocent girl would be obedient enough to accept another, whether she liked it or not. An evil thing I know...

Even better would be if the bi gf had a friend...or a sister lol

One of my fantasies is to marry a girl with 2-3 younger sisters. I would sponsor a new sister to the states each year, but they must serve me as a wife for 1-2 years as payment. (just a fantasy ok?) I actually knew a girl with 2 younger sisters, which it what got me thinking of that!

Oh btw, a place you can enjoy a harem fantasy in a safe and legal way is in the online community "Second Life". I have been there several months. There are a lot of lonely women looking for virtual partners (and some guys posing as girls). But be warned, its a real time killer!

[KyCuriosity]

What board would I search to look for information on Puerto Galera?

I've read on the diving and beaches there and would like to check it out. Where would I find information on any available bars or women there? Any ideas?

[Sol111]

SeargentRay, GoodEnough, thanks for the comments. I've put the girl on two scammer websites. Enough bloodletting for the pain she has clearly caused to all she admitted scamming.

Gents, say it with me: IF YOU HAVEN'T MET/SLEPT WITH HER, DON'T SEND HER MONEY. Of all the men that I'm aware that she was scamming (at least 7 I've emailed or IM'ed), I was the only one who had spent time with her, and the only one who had been to RP (in my case several times) at all. One of those 7 is also a member of this board (we have since spoken on the IM). These gents have shared emails and IM's directly with me, and they have forwarded the scamming girl's emails and IM's to me. A very clear pattern began to show up in her communications with all of them (not just excuses for needing money), and after she got caught I asked her about this pattern and she confirmed it. The pattern was this: She wants man to come meet her, when he starts looking for airline tickets she asks for money. He sends. He tells her an approximate month/week for visit, she says yes, he reserves/buys ticket. As date approaches, she finds excuse she can't make it at that time (friend in Butuan is getting married that week and she's maid of honor, she's promised aunt in Cebu province to travel there to take care of her small son so aunt can go look for work, etc.). Can he postpone? She knows after a few of these how difficult it is to re-arrange vacation time. This is always followed by more requests for money, after all a girl has needs. This puts him off for another month or two or more, she's stringing him along. She said eventually they drop her and look elsewhere, and she will find another. She's only with them 6-8-10 months; its a clear pattern.

The only other man that she seems to have wanted to clearly meet (briefly) was the one who had not sent her a penny!! She was trying to get me there at Xmas desperately (from Easter), and I sent her only small amounts on 2 occasions ($30, $50). Don't you think it interesting, that the more money the men sent, the more often, the less she wanted to meet them? This is the lesson? If you find yourself regularly loading the phone or sending $, she sees you as an ATM. DONT send it and if she's still talking, you, you are part of her life.

Along the same line, in emailing the man mentioned above who never sent her money, he has sent me some interesting rules he uses in dealing with women he's met online. Here is one of his rules that seems good advice. Several men on this board have said that they dont know what to say when a woman asks for money, especially early in the relationship, only a few chats in. The rule is simple:

If she asks for money, break the relationship immeadiately. Never speak to her again. Or... to head it off, tell her that you dont send money to someone you have not spent time with in person, and if she asks again, you'll break the relationship completely. Maybe even explain the cultural difference; in our culture when a woman we dont personally know in real life asks for money, we view her as a prostitute, and you don't want that kind of relationship (does she?).

I know this is harsh, but it eliminates scammers. If she wants a relationship, she'll persue it. If she drops offline, she's scamming. There are soooooooooo many other women out there.....

Thoughts?

Also, if you dont think there are a lot of guys out there getting scammed (and women also):

http://www.internet-love-scams.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=155

http://dragonladies.org/viewforum.php?f=9

rgbburn

[BionicMan]

SeargentRay, GoodEnough, thanks for the comments. I've put the girl on two scammer websites. Enough bloodletting for the pain she has clearly caused to all she admitted scamming.

Gents, say it with me: IF YOU HAVEN'T MET/SLEPT WITH HER, DON'T SEND HER MONEY. .............
rgbburn

good feedback for all who indulge in the game of virtuality and ending up in some reality too
With no offence (and you paid alraedy in real for having been fooled, not meaning you are a fool), it looks to me that despite warning, facts, proofs, there is still some sort of affection to this money taker.
Why?
Pity? ehmm did she have any pity in milking money to you?
anyhow, these are jsut side and somehow irrelevant comments.
The whole story is a lesson that nothing is for free for foreigners!:)

[Puerto La Cruz]

I had purchased my tickets once and the excuses started coming as to why she could not hook up. Having spent the money on tickets and bouncing my work schedule around, it would have been too much trouble to reschedule. No problem. I went anyway without any plans whatsoever and only a hotel reservation near LA Cafe. Did some girls from LA Cafe over a couple of days while I adjusted to the time change. Found one that I liked who liked me and we took off to the beach for a week. End of story. Another great trip.

Lesson learned. There is far too much willing poontang there to cancel a trip over one girl.

[Blackangst]

Hello All- I've been a member on here for nearly a year, and have found the boards to be very informative. By nature, I'm not so much a mongerer as a traveler, but I find the quality of information to be far superior on here.

My question and the reason I'm posting is this: I'm a 34, American living in Japan. I'm single, in decent shape and make a fair income. I've been to PI once last August for a few weeks, and completely loved it and I'm going back in late Feb/Early March again. I'm interested in meeting a Pinay on one of these trips, someone that could be family material someday. So, I'm looking for advice on where I should go location wise, and any tactics that can help weed out the bad ones. I've tried meeting people online prior (DIA) and have had the same experience as most on here. I noticed quite a bit of ptential at the various malls, but seems everyone thought I was there to monger. Or "ohh you must have a girlfriend" etc. So what should I do and where should I go folks?

I'll be in country for 2 weeks this time, and am planning on hitting Bora again maybe and perhaps Palawan but haven't firmed anything up yet.

Whats wrong with malls? Great place IMHO. The country is FILLED with wife material. Just circulate :) Nothing wrong with dating sites either. But the rules of engagement so to speak for those (when youre looking for wife material) is not subject for THIS board.

[Blackangst]

My girlfriend and I would like to spend a month living on the beach somewhere. We would also like a bisexual girl or two to live with us to share our fantasy of having a harem to have fun with. A non-stop feast of pleasure with good food, good wine and great sex.

Any advice on location, how to find the girls, prices and so on would be greatly appreciated.

Head to Burgos or AC and talk with the mama/papasans. They will tell you which ones are girl friendly, and go from there.

[Quasarus]

My question and the reason I'm posting is this: I'm a 34, American living in Japan. I'm single, in decent shape and make a fair income. I've been to PI once last August for a few weeks, and completely loved it and I'm going back in late Feb/Early March again. I'm interested in meeting a Pinay on one of these trips, someone that could be family material someday. So, I'm looking for advice on where I should go location wise, and any tactics that can help weed out the bad ones. I've tried meeting people online prior (DIA) and have had the same experience as most on here. I noticed quite a bit of ptential at the various malls, but seems everyone thought I was there to monger. Or "ohh you must have a girlfriend" etc. So what should I do and where should I go folks?If you have "yellow fever " and live in Japan, why don't you find some wife material in Japan? You can come to Phils to enjoy the local delights without the strings attached. Just curious.

[Amavida]

I don't think she can tell. The sheet that is produced does not have my address on it only my name, etc.Its not whats on the paper, its what's the computer. if she ask's they will tell her. I know this from field experience. Trust me I have the scars to prove it! hehehehehehe ;)
AV

[James In Japan]

I've been here a year (japan that is) and just never took to the women. I've tried, but the interest isn't there. But I really enjoyed the PI.

My apologies if I am indeed posting on the wrong site. I have found the people on this site to be far more honest than others, and less judgmental. I didn't realize that a non sex based question would be put of line. Again, my apologies.

[Cunning Stunt]

I love New Year in the Philippines but does anyone else get tired of the sheer number and volume of fucking fireworks that are set off in the days (starting about mid-December) leading up to New Year and lasting until now (I've just shit myself yet again as yet another delayed bomb went off outside my house gates). Plus, I was nearly blown up by an artillery shell size firework whilst out on New Years Eve.

No wonder the Philippines are so poor - I reckon about half their GNP goes up in smoke each year but no doubt the health services people laugh all the way to the bank as a long procession of freshly limbless and third degree burns cases stagger to their doors.

So this year, for a change, I played the miserable, tight fisted old bastard and was the only household down our road not to buy and use munitions and contribute to the stinking, smoke filled war zone that the place becomes between 1130pm - 0030am each New Year. I just took a glass of fine cognac, put Auld Lang Syne on repeat, and took a seat in the front garden and watched all my Pinoy and Korean neighbors try to blow their families and themselves to kingdom come! A salutatory experience and much less hassle than joining the melee.

WINGE OVER :D

P.S - Sorry guys - I maybe should have put this in the 'Living in the Phippines' thread. Apologies but I cannot be arsed to figure out how to shift it.

[X Man]

Excellent advice. Of course one major attraction is that Filipinos often speak English. Even a high school dropout speaks better English than most Japanese.

I agree with Q, I get the good stuff in Japan, and play in the Philippines. I haven't ruled out a serious partner from the Philippines, but increasingly see the advantages of sticking with what I got.

X


If you have "yellow fever " and live in Japan, why don't you find some wife material in Japan? You can come to Phils to enjoy the local delights without the strings attached. Just curious.

[FreebieFan]

I love New Year in the Philippines but does anyone else get tired of the sheer number and volume of fucking fireworks that are set off in the days (starting about mid-December) leading up to New Year and lasting until now (I've just shit myself yet again as yet another delayed bomb went off outside my house gates).

No wonder the Philippines are so poor - I reckon about half their GNP goes up in smoke each year but no doubt the health services people laugh all the way to the bank as a long procession of freshly limbless and third degree burns cases stagger to their doors.

So this year, for a change, I played the miserable, tight fisted old bastard and was the only household down our road not to buy and use munitions and contribute to the stinking, smoke filled war zone that the place becomes between 1130pm - 0030am each New Year. I just took a glass of fine cognac, put Auld Lang Syne on repeat, and took a seat in the front garden and watched all my Pinoy and Korean neighbors try to blow their families and themselves to kingdom come! A

it.Loved this. Its all so true. I remember one New Years Eve staying in top floor of Renaissance hotel. Must be 30th floor. Looking down all I could see was thick smoke. That went up to the 25th floor. Could see the glow of rockets being fired from San Lorenzo behind the hotel, but the rockets barely made it thru the smoky murk. God knows what people were passively inhaling that night. Ah the joys of New Year in Bedlam.

[Soapy Smith]

I've been here a year (japan that is) and just never took to the women. I've tried, but the interest isn't there. But I really enjoyed the PI.

My apologies if I am indeed posting on the wrong site. I have found the people on this site to be far more honest than others, and less judgmental. I didn't realize that a non sex based question would be put of line. Again, my apologies.

No need to apologize, it's just that most of the participants here are not interested in Filipinas in the way you are. I have known a few Filipinas as good friends, including several whom I found very attractive, but mostly I have made acquaintance with Filipinas by grinding my loins into theirs in exchange for money. But I can imagine that if I had first visited the Phils as a younger and unmarried man, I might have followed an inclination like the one you describe.

Three suggestions: 1. Check into forums and theads about online dating contacts; 2. Do some background reading in the thread here labeled: "Filipinas: Advice and Opinions"; 3. Try to figure out some way to develop some friendships in the Phils so that you can get those friends to introduce you to eligible Filipinas who might be long-term relationship material.

Good luck. Skip

[Soapy Smith]

I posted this a few minutes ago in the general ISG forum about AIDS, but I thought folks here might also be interested.

I've nearly completed reading a great book on HIV and AIDS. The book, entitled **The Wisdom of *****s: Bureaucrats, Brothels, and the Business of AIDS**, came out about six months ago. It is written by Elizabeth Pisani, a Ph.D. epidemiologist trained in Great Britain. Although the implications of the book are global in scope, most of the details are drawn from illustrations in the Third World. It was written to be accessible by most anyone rather than in stuffy academic language. Pisani has extensive experience studying HIV/AIDS in the field in Southeast Asia and Africa. The upshot, hinted at in the title, is that we can learn most about how the disease is transmitted by talking to people in settings where it gets transmitted, i.e., from prostitutes and those who inject drugs. It's very down to earth and avoids condemning either prostitutes or their clients for their behavior. She explodes numerous myths and takes careful aim at American policy under George Bush that tied HIV/AIDS funding to abstinence only programs and discouraged distribution and active education about condom use. She also sheds skepticism on the recent outpouring of reports about the international transportation of sex slaves, arguing that most of the Third World prostitutes she has studied had entered the business willingly because it paid much better than factory work or department store retail sales.

Although Pisani anchors her claims in a mountain of existing research, the book is actually kind of a page-turner because it tells the nitty gritty of what happens out on the streets of the developing world. I learned a lot about the real details of HIV transmission simply because Pisani explains things in street language rather than in the muted political correctness that’s usually found on government information websites. Although much of her most active field work was done in Indonesia, she offers up lots of examples from Thailand, Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, and the Philippines. I highly recommend this book.

Skip

[Cansx]

I posted this a few minutes ago in the general ISG forum about AIDS, but I thought folks here might also be interested.

I've nearly completed reading a great book on HIV and AIDS. The book, entitled **The Wisdom of *****s: Bureaucrats, Brothels, and the Business of AIDS**, came out about six months ago. It is written by Elizabeth Pisani, a Ph.D. epidemiologist trained in Great Britain. Although the implications of the book are global in scope, most of the details are drawn from illustrations in the Third World. It was written to be accessible by most anyone rather than in stuffy academic language. Pisani has extensive experience studying HIV/AIDS in the field in Southeast Asia and Africa. The upshot, hinted at in the title, is that we can learn most about how the disease is transmitted by talking to people in settings where it gets transmitted, i.e., from prostitutes and those who inject drugs. It's very down to earth and avoids condemning either prostitutes or their clients for their behavior. She explodes numerous myths and takes careful aim at American policy under George Bush that tied HIV/AIDS funding to abstinence only programs and discouraged distribution and active education about condom use. She also sheds skepticism on the recent outpouring of reports about the international transportation of sex slaves, arguing that most of the Third World prostitutes she has studied had entered the business willingly because it paid much better than factory work or department store retail sales.

Although Pisani anchors her claims in a mountain of existing research, the book is actually kind of a page-turner because it tells the nitty gritty of what happens out on the streets of the developing world. I learned a lot about the real details of HIV transmission simply because Pisani explains things in street language rather than in the muted political correctness that’s usually found on government information websites. Although much of her most active field work was done in Indonesia, she offers up lots of examples from Thailand, Malaysia, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, and the Philippines. I highly recommend this book.

SkipDid you buy the book in PI?

[Cunning Stunt]

Ever wondered what the requirement is for a waitress job at LA Cafe? Came across this online job ad.

http://ph.jobstreet.com/jobs/2008/9/default/20/1969096.htm?fr=J

HRM = Hotel Restaurant Management? Anyone know?

In any case, WTF? GH

[Columpuss]

Shit! those are the exact requirements for a US congressman

[Tony Hoeprano]

I'm surprised they want college educated gal to work as a waitress!!! wtf?

However, I do like the 'must be pretty' on line 4. That sure wouldn't fly here in the USA, lol.

[Ekspat]

HRM =

Human Resource Management?

[Sleepy Floyd]

Ever wondered what the requirement is for a waitress job at LA Cafe? Came across this online job ad.

http://ph.jobstreet.com/jobs/2008/9/default/20/1969096.htm?fr=J

HRM = Hotel Restaurant Management? Anyone know?

In any case, WTF? GH


You are correct, HRM is Hotel Restaurant Management. Very popular major in PI for those who plan to work overseas.

[Soapy Smith]

You are correct, HRM is Hotel Restaurant Management. Very popular major in PI for those who plan to work overseas.

Or maybe hospitality and restaurant management?

On the surface it almost seems like either the system of stated qualifications is inflated beyond belief or that they're looking for overqualified employees. After all, what kind of "management" skills are needed to be able to: a) carry a pad of paper on which you write down either SM, SM light, coke, or iced tea and the price (ah yes, different prices at different times of day), then tear it off and stick it in each customer's little wooden block; b) deliver drinks back to the people who ordered them; c) collect from customers before they leave; and, d) carry the change back to paying customers. At least downstairs at LA the actual money calculations are done by a cashier back in the little window under the stairs (perhaps because they don't trust the barmaids to run their own tabs?), so it's not like they need high-powered math skills. There may be a few customers who try to cut out without paying, but it's usually the freelancer who has just struck a deal for ST or LT who tracks down the barmaid to collect on the tab -- because she wants to get the hell out of the smoky bar, get on with the main event, and collect her own money. So it's not like the barmaids need major law enforcement skills or much understanding of human psychology.

Okay, so maybe it comes down to a little quirk in Filipino culture. I have a friend in one of the resort provinces who runs a school that trains Filipinos/Filipinas for the service industry jobs that are in demand for Overseas Foreign Workers (OFWs) -- basic computer and secretarial skills, hospitality workers, maids and housecleaners, and so on. He gets very frustrated with them because, as he puts it, "they all have the mentality that they're going to be 'employees' for the rest of their lives, always taking orders from other people who do the thinking." None of them have any sense of entrepreneurship or the initiative to think for themselves and learn how to take charge. Given this sort of mentality, perhaps the meaning of "management" as used in "HRM" and other kinds of vocational training really means obedient "followership" without a shred of leadership skills or real management implied.

So in a global economy that turns on brain power rather than muscle power, many Filipinos are destined to live in poverty for ever. At the same time, I've also interacted with some shrewd young Filipinos -- college educated, of course -- who have good heads for business. The problem, I think, is that there's too few of the latter, and their innovative capabilities can't do enough for the country as a whole, since all the systems are bogged down in entrenched expectations for bribery and sustaining the wealth and positions of the 40 (or 50 or 60) ruling families.

How's that for optimism? Just my $.03.

Skip

[Soapy Smith]

Did you buy the book in PI?

Amazon. They will ship to Phils at international shipping rates and prompt delivery that will make you long for the Pony Express. The book is published by W.W. Norton, a reputable New York and London publisher, so you might get National BookStore or Mirandas Books to order it for you.

[Fredje1961]

So in a global economy that turns on brain power rather than muscle power, many Filipinos are destined to live in poverty for ever. At the same time, I've also interacted with some shrewd young Filipinos -- college educated, of course -- who have good heads for business. The problem, I think, is that there's too few of the latter, and their innovative capabilities can't do enough for the country as a whole, since all the systems are bogged down in entrenched expectations for bribery and sustaining the wealth and positions of the 40 (or 50 or 60) ruling families.

How's that for optimism? Just my $.03.

SkipHi SK,

Working with people in Phils, I basically agree with your opinion, but I would like to add some food for thought:

I have a "chat friend" in Samar (Phils) who has started a sari-sari store, and at least once a week she comes up with a new idea for business (buy a trike and offer taxi services, buy table & chairs and rent party equipment, buy a fridge and sell meat and fish.).

Basically she has good ideas very often, but not the money she needs to realize them. I'm teaching her financial management, how to save money, how to use money for investments, make the distinction between investment expenses and operational expenses etc and basically she's smart enough to understand things and she learns fast.

But each time she talks about her ideas with local people, they treat her as "ambitious" and that is seen as very negative. According to local customs & values, Philippinos should not be ambitious, should not try to improve the quality of their lives, and should not try to set a goal and work hard to reach it. I think this is also a part of the reasons why they remain in poverty. "God will take care of us" is what they say.

Fredje

[Finrod]

But each time she talks about her ideas with local people, they treat her as "ambitious" and that is seen as very negative. According to local customs & values, Philippinos should not be ambitious, should not try to improve the quality of their lives, and should not try to set a goal and work hard to reach it. I think this is also a part of the reasons why they remain in poverty. "God will take care of us" is what they say.

Fredje
The locals use crabs as a metaphor to describe this mindset: when one crab tries to get out of the pot, the others pull it back in. Which is often how it is in real life: when a filipino (or filipina) tries to do better, that person gets deluged with negativity, and then if they're actually successful, they get deluged with requests for money. Those are the kind of people who, if they get out of the country, will not want to return.

[Dashing Don]

Considering its the LA cafe, HRM probably refers to 'ho resource management' given the hundreds of young flipas willing to put out for cash that are there at any hour of day or night.

[Cunning Stunt]

Considering its the LA cafe, HRM probably refers to 'ho resource management' given the hundreds of young flipas willing to put out for cash that are there at any hour of day or night.

Or Helper for Randy Mongers ... lol::).

Did you get a little chuckle over the bit about Honesty and Integrity. I did. More that once I have had a waitress bring me back change for P500 when I gave P1000 and then try to brazen it out. I know this has happened to other guys as well.

Funny how the waitresses are rapidly corrupted after working there for a little while. I think it is more by the girls than by the male customers, although I know its most guys ambition to bed one of the cuter ones. Twice I have managed it but only after they have finished their contract (6 months, I think) and come over to the other side of the bar, as it were. Many obviously quickly realize that the grass is greener and the picking much healthier as a 'working' girl than as an abysmally poorly paid, overworked waitress.

Never met anyone who has managed to trap one whilst in post, although no doubt this often happens. Would be nice as their kit is cute and I have been recently outed as a uniform fetishist :D.

[Soapy Smith]

"God will take care of us" is what they say.Fredje

Where do you suppose they learned that?

One of my most eye-opening experiences in the Phils was when I was invited to the home of a well to do older man, very politically connected, for a rosary celebrating his 78th birthday. This was in one of the gated communities in San Juan where the wealthy families wall themselves off from the masses. I thought I'd been invited to dinner, only to find the house and attached garden packed with people and a priest carrying on in front of them. The priest was fairly young and going on in English, so I pretty quickly figured out what the occasion was. He built his sermon around some biblical passage that says it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to pass into Heaven. Clearly the audience was full of rich people, so the priest was telling them that the passage didn't literally mean that rich people couldn't get into Heaven. What he told them instead was that he was sure it meant that it matters what rich people do with their money on earth. That is, as long as they treat other people nicely, surely they too can get into Heaven. I can sometimes be a boor, so I had to fight down my impulse to laugh aloud. It's just that it struck me as very disingenuous for a Catholic priest to try to curry favor with the rich and powerful by giving them twisted biblical interpretation just to please them. But since I'm pretty much a sinner myself, I didn't mind digging into the great spread of food they served after the rosary.

My point is that it's not an accident that the one country in the Pacific rim that continues to fall behind all the others economically is the one that considers itself a Christian nation.

[Fredje1961]

Where do you suppose they learned that?

My point is that it's not an accident that the one country in the Pacific rim that continues to fall behind all the others economically is the one that considers itself a Christian nation.I fully agree.

[Elmerfud]

He built his sermon around some biblical passage that says it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to pass into Heaven. Clearly the audience was full of rich people, so the priest was telling them that the passage didn't literally mean that rich people couldn't get into Heaven. What he told them instead was that he was sure it meant that it matters what rich people do with their money on earth. That is, as long as they treat other people nicely, surely they too can get into Heaven.

My point is that it's not an accident that the one country in the Pacific rim that continues to fall behind all the others economically is the one that considers itself a Christian nation.He was what we can call the new generation of priest as he did not implicitly said that you can buy your way to heaven as to donate or put the church on our will as it will buy your way to heaven.

[Gangles]

Skip Kost links poverty to Christianity in an earlier post.

This is a dangerous assertion, and I need to make it clear that there is no linkage between christianity and poverty.

There are three primary drivers of poverty in any nation state.

The first is endemic corruption. In a corrupt state, decisions on the use of the nation's resources are not based on benefit, but on the option which gives the greatest return to the decision maker. Hence national resources are misused.

The second is political instability. Investors will not invest in a country where the political system createsm a high level of uncerainty.

The third is an ineffective land titling system. This means that ownership of land is not clear and guaranteed, hence banks will not lend money which is secured by land, hence land cannot be leveraged to create wealth.

If one of these three exist in a nation state, then the people are consigned to a state of poverty. Forget religion, forget farm subsidies. These are not drivers of poverty.

[GoodEnough]

I appreciate Gangles' post, though I'm not sure that the three criteria cited are the sole causes to the poverty which is endemic here. Certainly this country meets each of these criteria. There are however, at least in my opinion, other causes as well and, while there's no direct correlation between the church and sustained poverty, the catholic church here does contribute indirectly to the maintenance of inter-generational poverty.

There are two reasons for this assertion. First, the church is intimately tied to the political structure here in a relationship that would be unthinkable in most Western countries. It influences directly, not only not only those who frequent the churches, but is also inextricably linked with the powerful politicians. It's an unhealthy relationship.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, through its adamant refusal to allow the teaching of family planning in any public education facility it contributes directly to the unchecked population explosion here which is one of the major causes the poverty. Runaway population growth coupled with an egregiously poor education system and an economy that simply does not produce enough good, stable jobs is a sure recipe for economic stagnation, and the church plays a big role in this.

Unfortunately, the church's influence on the behavior of its congregants extends mainly to the poor and uneducated. Middle class, better education Filipinos have the sense to ignore the church's dicta on this subject and hence limit family size.

GE

[ShadowAxis]

Well, I look at it this way. Any place settled by the Spanish seems to be a shithole. I think the whole planet is more or less of a study in racial profiling. Certainly there are exceptions to the rule. But the bell curve prevails.

Here in Asia for example, I map it out like this. (in terms of values, decision making capacity, general wants, desires, attitudes and economy)

Japanese = Germans
Chinese = Americans
Koreans = Dutch
Thai = French
Filipinos = Mexicans / Spaniards
Singaporeans = Swiss

Granted, there are plenty of shitholes that are packed with white people. Red states for example, or much of eastern Europe. There are exceptionally nice places packed with Spaniards such as Santiago Chile. But in general. To assert that race, ethnic background (culture, ascendant values), and religion have nothing to do with poverty is putting a desire to be politically correct above any minimal common sense one may possess.

I agree that education is key. Here in the Philippines any lost cab driver with no change can speak better English than most Japanese executives. But in spite of relatively good education (and a system that values it. Just read the back of a p500 note); and more Jesus then you can shake a stick at. They still fuck like bunnies and make, well, bunny-like decisions.

On the other hand. Thank Jesus that there is a place a bunch of old, white, out of shape guys can go fuck the girls we use to jack off to in the pages of Penthouse and Hustler magazine! That, and Viagra is proof there is a god, and that he is a middle aged white man.

[Cunning Stunt]

Do not forget the ongoing and insidious effects of that scary bogeyman of recent Philippine history, otherwise known as Ferdinand Marcos. In the 50’s and early 60's, before he came to power, the country was relatively wealthy, measured in terms of GDP, and in comparison with other Asian countries, ahead of Japan and South Korea and well ahead of Thailand and Indonesia. And then along came Marcos with his inimitable brand of robber baron leadership, systematically stripping the country of much of its wealth and assets and impoverishing the masses, eschewing traditional Filipino democratic systems of politics and installing himself as the all powerful ‘apo’ or godfather to his people. I don’t think that the place has ever really recovered, especially as the political leadership since his overthrow has either been weak and insipid or, taking up the baton from Marcos, corrupt and avaricious, maintaining power through systems of patronage and cronyism. This has stymied foreign investment so the national growth figures has lagged behind its neighbours and in all likelihood will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

And yet, despite his legacy of wrongdoing and the proof of his multi-billion dollar theft, Marcos is still revered to this day by many Filipino’s, particularly in North Luzon where he in viewed as a kind of national hero. I well remember visiting his home town of Sarrat near Laog, in the early 90’s, His birthplace there was (and probably still is) maintained as a shrine to his memory. Gruesomely his dead mother was then still on open display in the house. Her corpse had been badly preserved and stunk to high heaven! Apparently, she had stipulated before her death, that her remains were not to be interred until her son’s body was allowed to be repatriated to his homeland.

[FreebieFan]

Well whilst we may not agree or may agree to disagree over the myriad reasons for the enduring poverty (and the family planning is at the top of my list as to reasons for continuation of poverty), the low income levels, the poor housing and lack of puruable income earning opportunities do allow us to play our games. On a rare non mongering night recently I sat in an outdoors mall and had 6 san mig light for the princely sum of US2. 50.

My friends in other countries can't believe a beer this good could be sold for so little. Same with pussy. Same with all things.

Because one things for sure, if the price of playing in Manila was the same as it is in Seoul or Tokyo none of us would be as committed as we to the place.

We would all have to go further south to Indonesia. Which has some great " playgrounds"

[Gangles]

Exactly my point, endemic corruption created widespread poverty.

But Marcos did maintain political stability.

[Fredje1961]

Unfortunately, the church's influence on the behavior of its congregants extends mainly to the poor and uneducated. Middle class, better education Filipinos have the sense to ignore the church's dicta on this subject and hence limit family size.

GEMy initial endorsment of Skip Kosts' posting lacked maybe a bit of nuance, I think it's indeed rather the local Catholic Church (as being an organisation created by people) rather than the Christian beliefs (as a religion) that are among the causes of poverty.

[Pute Nut]

In the 50’s and early 60's, before he came to power, the country was relatively wealthy, measured in terms of GDP, and in comparison with other Asian countries, ahead of Japan and South Korea and well ahead of Thailand and Indonesia.

Japan had almost 50% higher GDP than Phils, already in 1950.

[Cunning Stunt]

Japan had almost 50% higher GDP than Phils, already in 1950.

Yep, you are right. Meant GNP and not GDP anyway but a check on the economic figures of The Philippines viz a vis other Asian countries will demonstrate its steady decline from the 1950's to the present day.




But Marcos did maintain political stability.

If Marcos did maintain political stability (that is debatable), it might have been because he imprisoned, tortured and sometimes killed his political opponents.


Whoa, this sounds like one of the gals I met at LA Cafe!

Yes, some girls mysteriously turn into 'corpses' when you get them back to the hotel room:( Hope your recent trip went well? Where is the promised trip report/photo's? Did you meet 'the girl'?

[Soapy Smith]

Exactly my point, endemic corruption created widespread poverty. But Marcos did maintain political stability.

I think it would be difficult to pin down corrupt practices as preceding poverty. It seems to me that the Spanish colonialists created class differences, in large part by asserting European land ownership practices (fee simple title) where the indigenous people's land ownership practices assumed that land was collectively or communally owned. When they figured out to support village leaders and assist them to "own" land in the European sense, the Spanish facilitated the erection of class distinctions that served their own purposes as colonialists. Christianizing the people subsequently reinforced Spain's colonializing interests.

I have never argued that Christianity caused the poverty, merely that it reinforces it. The points that GE makes are in a similar vein. But if you want to take an informative look at Philippine history, check out the biography of Jose Rizal, their major national hero. Rizal was educated in Spain as an opthalmologist, but became involved in Europe with other Filipinos who were arguing for Philippine independence. When he returned to the Philippines he was exiled to one of the islands in the Visayas. Part of what made him a visible threat was that he wrote about Philippine independence. Others, such as Bonifacio, were actually organizing armed insurrections. Although Rizal had denounced these violent actions, the Spanish rulers arrested Rizal, charging him with causing violent insurrection, largely because of his visible nationalistic writing. The Spanish governor concluded that Rizal was not guilty as charged, but the Catholic Archbishop (a Cardinal) arranged behind the scenes to have the governor replaced with a new governor who would follow through with orders to execute Rizal. Rizal was executed (1895, I think), and his execution inflamed other Filipinos, such that the Philippines was engaged in a large scale war for independence within three years. The U.S. hoodwinked them and subsequently stomped out their nationalistic passions in taking control of them as an American colony until after WWII.

My point is that the Catholic church continues to reinforce the class inequalities. Remember that the bottom line of Christianity is that, no matter what our circumstances are in the present, everything will be made right in the hereafter. The repeated assertion that "God will take care of us," a quote from an earlier monger's post, goes to this point.

[Spanish Main]

Spanish
You and your girl living on the beach for a month is no problem. But the other fantasy would be best kept as a fantasy. There is a huge difference between what you see in porn and reality. You usually ended up losing your girl in the process



Thank you for your concern, but there is no danger of me losing my girl.

We have done this in Europe and enjoyed it immensely. We only want to find the ideal location and get an idea of where to find a girl (or two) and how much it will cost.

The ideal is a small villa in a pretty location where we can enjoy some fine food, fine wine and lots of party sex.

We will be there in June, incidentally, to celebrate my bisexy´s 40th birthday.

So, I would still appreciate some local knowledge and advice.

[Dameon]

hello all,

longtime lurker, thank you to all for your very many informative posts! heading over in feb for my second trip to the pi, a six week trip, on a budget, spending some time in manila as well as ac, but most of the time will be spent on the beach down south, sabang, boracay, guimaras, siquijor, malapusca, baytan, etc. besides sabang and boracay any other places in those general areas that have an active night life scene?

gamahucher, will be checking out harrisons plaza, love the hunt! i am lousy at gauging pinays age. a question concerning age and ids. have read about many scams, harry the horse, etc, about the **** scam, extortion. have read here, that posters and security at hotels have "checked their ids. " is there one piece of id which all pinays should have, which you can check to protect yourself from this scam?

not a first time traveller, will use common sense, but is there any other scams, that you would advise people to be aware of?

will be hitting la cafe, g point, amazonia, harrisons plaza, love the freelancers, will also check out p. burgos st, edsa entertainment complex, any other spots you would recommend?

thanks for any help and advice you can offer! will post a detailed report on this trip later if there is any interest in a budget themed adventure in the pi!

dameon

[Finrod]

i am lousy at gauging pinays age. a question concerning age and ids. have read about many scams, harry the horse, etc, about the **** scam, extortion. have read here, that posters and security at hotels have "checked their ids. " is there one piece of id which all pinays should have, which you can check to protect yourself from this scam?

no there isn't. they can show you a fake id just as easily as they show the hotel. a good rule of thumb is to pass on those who say they're 18 or 19, especially if they look young; you can do it this way until you feel comfortable guessing their real ages. or maybe you have enough game to get them to admit it. good luck and stay safe...

[Blackangst]

no there isn't. they can show you a fake id just as easily as they show the hotel. a good rule of thumb is to pass on those who say they're 18 or 19, especially if they look young; you can do it this way until you feel comfortable guessing their real ages. or maybe you have enough game to get them to admit it. good luck and stay safe...

a trick i use is if she looks young, randomly in the middle of a conversation ask what year she was born in. they will blurt it out, and if the are **** probably havent worked that out. then just do the math.

[Cunning Stunt]

gamahucher, will be checking out harrisons plaza, love the hunt! i am lousy at gauging pinays age. a question concerning age and ids. have read about many scams, harry the horse, etc, about the **** scam, extortion. have read here, that posters and security at hotels have "checked their ids. " is there one piece of id which all pinays should have, which you can check to protect yourself from this scam?



checking id in the philippines is a pointless exercise anyway, as there is no such thing as a national id card here. if a girl shows you an id, it will be one of 5 things. either:

1. a passport
2. a drivers license.
3. a voters registration id.
4. a postal id.
5. an employee's id

all are photo id's but obviously only the first 2 can be relied upon, but not completely, as relatives and friends often share their id's anyway if they think they look sufficiently alike to get away with it. and, without being accused of racial stereotyping, they also know that they all look like peas in a pod to the untrained eyes of a foreigner. this is a fact as a relative has in my certain knowledge frequently used her sisters passport to travel overseas and never yet encountered a problem.

the **** scam exists but is rare and is apparently a particular problem in the malls, particularly in robinsons ermita. have never yet met anyone who has been caught by it or knows somebody who has. but it sounds too much of a golden extortion opportunity for it not to be tried. best to never take a fl from a mall if you have the slightest doubt as to her being of legal age and/or checked her available id very carefully. as you say this can be a problem so you have to use good sense and not be swayed what little head tells you.

blackangst's checking system is one i also use. casually ask their year of birth and if they stumble or hesitate, don't risk it. being brought up using calculators, most are incapable of doing mental arithmetic anyway.

[Dameon]

Thank you for the info and advice gentlemen, appreciate it. Never occured to me, the what year were you born strategy, brillant!

[James In Japan]

Gentlemen,

I was thinking about this last night while reading my PI guidebook again and preping for my second trip in country, and I wanted to ask all of you expierces folks here.

In your opinion, what city or area of PI is the best for picking up non p4p? What I mean is, what area would produce the most his by just being out and about? To me the least would be a place like BOra, where there are very few single girls.

So of all the places you've been in PI, where do you get approached and hit on the most from normal girls? Cebu? Davao? GSC?

Looking forward to your replies.

[Chicochulo]

Does anyone have a istorical perspective on the kidnapping that are taking place in the PI right now. It's starting to sound like Colombia. As a world traveller, I'm always a little shy about going to places where I might be preceived as a target. Has anyone felt the same?

[Mr Enforcer]

I am an Aussie and haven't been to to the Phils for 22 years and am thinking of going in May. Can any punters tell me if there are bars in Angeles that show NRL or Super 14s live? Sorry but not interested in Soccer or NFL.

Any replies much appreciated!

[GoodEnough]

Does anyone have a istorical perspective on the kidnapping that are taking place in the PI right now. It's starting to sound like Colombia. As a world traveller, I'm always a little shy about going to places where I might be preceived as a target. Has anyone felt the same?
There's not time or space enough here to present an historical synopsis of the conflicts in Mindanao which began in earnest when Marcos encouraged Christian migration to what was then a largely Muslim region, and which is now a region in which Muslims account for less than 15% of the population.

What's important to note is that the kidnappings (and most of the problems) occurred in Sulu, which is not an area to which anyone interested in our hobby would venture even if there were no conflicts. If you do come to Mindanao, and you stay in and around the large cities--Davao, CDO, Zamboanga--you'll be fine and you will find relaxed places with no sense of danger. I've said before, and I will reiterate now that Davao is probably the safest place I've ever lived, and I have lived in a lot of places and a lot of countries.

The victims of kidnapping in and around metro Manila, on the rare occasions they occur, typically target Chinese Filipinos and they are, in general, perceived as being far wealthier than the average Filipino.

While I find it appalling that three members of a humanitarian organization were kidnapped, the fact is that they had no business traveling alone in that area. They were offered protection from the AFP and they refused it, I suppose wanting to preserve their stance of total neutrality. Any foreigners traveling alone in and around Jolo, Sulu run significant risks.

GE

[FreebieFan]

As far as I can recall from my 25 years of living in or being in close contact with Phils. Theres hardly ever been a case of a non Chinese foreigner been kidnapped by normal KFR gangs ("kidnap for ransom " gangs). Yes theres been Abu Sayyaf which were quite different.

And yes the Koreans have a thriving kidnapping community amongst themselves, but Johnny WhiteBoy can happily fly to Phils and have no fear whatsoever of being kidnapped. It just doesn't happen.

[Darth Sushi]

And yes the Koreans have a thriving kidnapping community amongst themselves, but Johnny WhiteBoy can happily fly to Phils and have no fear whatsoever of being kidnapped. It just doesn't happen.
The two missionaries (yes "Johnny WhiteBoy" and his wife) who were held for ransom for more than a year and a half, were kidnapped on the island of Palawan and taken by boat to Basilan and Palawan is considered a safe and rural area. There was a 3rd whiteguy taken but the kidnappers chopped his head off. Personally, since many locals view most foreigners as wealthy, I would never assume a certain race or color is safe from kidnapping. Although FF is correct on the very low occurrence of this crime, you never know whats around the corner.

Just my 2 cents.

[Rubberyman]

I am an Aussie and haven't been to to the Phils for 22 years and am thinking of going in May. Can any punters tell me if there are bars in Angeles that show NRL or Super 14s live? Sorry but not interested in Soccer or NFL.

Any replies much appreciated!

Hi,

Have a look here:

http://shanosirishpub.com/home.html

You could contact them direct just to check if they have your particular code there or not. (Aussie rules man meself).

[GoodEnough]

As far as I can recall from my 25 years of living in or being in close contact with Phils. Theres hardly ever been a case of a non Chinese foreigner been kidnapped by normal KFR gangs ("kidnap for ransom " gangs). Yes theres been Abu Sayyaf which were quite different.

And yes the Koreans have a thriving kidnapping community amongst themselves, but Johnny WhiteBoy can happily fly to Phils and have no fear whatsoever of being kidnapped. It just doesn't happen.

Well, that's correct for the most part, but again, it depends on where you are. As to whether it's the KFR gangs or the Abu Sayyaf, does it really matter. Getting kidnapped is getting kidnapped. Two of the three Red Cross workers just kidnapped in Sulu were white, though anyone who travels without an official, heavily armed escort there is slightly crazy.

I would say that FF is correct if you're planning to go to the most frequent destinations mentioned on this site, but as the economy declines further and further, and an increasing proportion of the population starts to feel the pinch, the situation may change, so it's always wise to be prudent as it is in any third world country.

GE

[HornyGeorge]

The Church is the primary culprit for the root cause of most poverty in the Philippines, overpopulation. Thailand is corrupt as hell too and has no history of democracy, but look at the higher standard of living. Two main reasons: no Catholic opposition to birth control and tourism revenue.

The Philippines was much less populated in the 60s hence less poverty. The growth rate of over 3% per year is among the World's highest, but the Church continues to threaten and terrorize any filipino politicians who dare support the Reproductive Health Bill being debated in the Congress (but stymied for years by the Church).

[Mr Enforcer]

Hi,

Have a look here:

http://shanosirishpub.com/home.html

You could contact them direct just to check if they have your particular code there or not. (Aussie rules man meself).Many thanks Rubberyman. They say on their website NRL and Super 14s. So Angeles. Here we come! And cum again!

[Eu Expat]

Hey guys,

I'm heading over to Manila next week and I'm just wondering - is it possible to exchange Chinese currency (RMB) to PHP in Manila (either at the airport or the banks)?

I know that there are ATMs and that I should bring US dollars, but mainland China uses its own card system and it's kind of hard to buy more than 500 USD in local Chinese banks, if you're an expat who is paid in RMB. It's not a live-or-die situation, as I still have my western credit card, but using RMB will make things hell lot easier for me.

Thanks a lot.

[Cebu Steve]

Hey EU Expat,
I'm 99% sure that you can change RMB to Pesos at the airport in Manila. They have pretty wide currency exchange options. I've exchanged Hong Kong dollars for PHP several times. I also came to Manila once via HK after being in Shanghai and I am pretty sure I changed the rest of my RMB to PHP at the airport as I wasn't headed back to mainland China for quite a while.

Exchange rate might not be the best. To the extent you can, you'll get a more favorable rate with US or HK dollars.

[Eu Expat]

Hey EU Expat,

I'm 99% sure that you can change RMB to Pesos at the airport in Manila. They have pretty wide currency exchange options. I've exchanged Hong Kong dollars for PHP several times. I also came to Manila once via HK after being in Shanghai and I am pretty sure I changed the rest of my RMB to PHP at the airport as I wasn't headed back to mainland China for quite a while.

Exchange rate might not be the best. To the extent you can, you'll get a more favorable rate with US or HK dollars.Thanks a lot, this really helps. In fact, I happen to live and work as an executive in Shanghai, so I think Manila will be a nice change for a few days. Hope the place is not entirely set up for older guys, as I am still in my late 20's. Definitely younger than many of the girls people on this forum meet.

[Big Johnson2]

Hi,

I plan to meet my GF from Samar's parents for the first time. She said we should bring food over. Is there something that I should get in the US to bring? What is appropriate?

[James In Japan]

Anyone ever wonder why there is so little literature written for or about The Phiilippines? I mean there really is not alot out there. From what I've gathered, the best resource out there is the Lonely Planet guide, which even seemed to me to be outdated.

Is this an untouched market, or do people just not care? God knows theres a ton of info out there for Thailand.

[Rosco4444]

What to bring when meet the parents?

Ya gotta be kidding!

They will be welcoming people who will not require you to being anything from the States other than................

1. ATM machine
2. Cash
3. Gold Bullion
4. Your generous nature
5. A willingness to share

Good luck

Rosco

[SergeantRay]

On a more serious note, you might bring for her parents:

1. Playing cards (especially Bicycle high quality plastic, since humidity is hard on cards)

2. Chocolates Put them in the freezer before you travel

3. Sunglasses Raybans is overdoing it. I get inexpensive pairs and give them as gifts.

4. Perfumes, cologne. Ditch all of the extra packaging.

5. Scented Body Powder. It comes in handy in the tropics, and it's light to pack.

[Tabolitz]

Johnson, if you want to be casual with the first encounter it should be done in this manner. You need not buy anything from the U.S. there are duty free shops at the airport and you can buy the following:

A) Imported alchohol and cigarettes if you know some of the family members smokes or drink.
B) Chocolates and candy if you think theres a lot of female and kids in the family.
C) As your girlfriend suggest you may bring a cake or sweets to the occassion.

This are the things appropriate for a first encounter meeting the parents. I would say this is a decent or above average things to do. Trust me I am a local and knows this things.

Ciao

[ShadowAxis]

I blame the food. Which is horrible. Locals eat like raccoons and the diet is almost entirely pork fat, skin and other nasty byproducts; local fruit (mango), local vegetables (ochre), chicken feet, fish that is soaked in oil and burned. There is just nothing positive to say about the local cuisine. So no one comes here for the food.

The local culture is defined by the modern shopping mall and a unhealthy surplus of Jesus, there is absolutely nothing interesting about the monuments, sights or history of the place. There is no sense of national identity. The locals see themselves as failures; the solution to any problem is prayer. Anything worth looking at has been destroyed by war, or simply fallen into a state of ruined neglect. The government is hopelessly corrupt, the cities are not tourist friendly and the whole country needs a bath. Locals take no pride in anything but their car, trike, or motorcycle. The jeepney will be all spit and Polish, but the house will look like something out of National Geographic. It is OK to steal from white people. The language is useless and hard to learn. You get about six weeks of nice weather every year. Most areas are poor and depressing; the wealthy areas you probably can't afford to play in. Even as a westerner.

I have been living here now for four years. The location is convenient and most people speak English; good conveniences however most people visit the Philippines for the same reason they cross the boarder and hang out in Tijuana. It's a cheap place to party with plenty of incredible pussy.

The Philippines is a place with so much potential. Which is why idiots like myself fall in love with the it. Sadly, like so many of my self-saboteur ex-girlfriends (unemployable, never thought anything through, irrational, bit*h, or just crazy) the locals will never realize their potential. Near as I can tell the whole population is an economic hostage to about 10 wealthy families who conspire to keep things exactly as they are. The whole country is a pretty poor girl with bad habits; she's an amazing and uninhibited lay, you can fall for her and try your hardest but she will never change.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[Jim Nelson]

Greetings all. Just got back from 2 weeks in the Phils (AC, Boracay and Manila) Nothing noteworthy to report in AC or Manila. Just wanted to write a quick Report/Commentary on Boracay.

I had read several reports from other members regarding the merits of taking a date to Boracay. Some lamented taking a date with them, because there seemed to be plenty of available girls there on the island. Others still took a date with them, and thought it was a wonderful experience.

After talking with the travel desk at Pacific Breeze and reading the reports I decided to go solo. BIG MISTAKE!

Prices (For 1 person) was 16, 000 pesos ($350 USD) for airfair and hotel for 2 nights at the La Carmela hotel or 13, 000 Pesos each for 2 people.

The Carmela is on the beach. About a 2 or 3 star hotel around station#2.

Read all the posts about the action and abundent woman at Bamboo bar, Summer place, Hey Jude, and Cocomangas.

What I found. Mostly Euro/ North American couples in Boracay, and VERY touristy! (think Pattaya minus the woman, but better beaches) There was a fair share of youngish guys (early 20 something) on the hunt just looking for single tourist girls to hook up with.

As far as the Freelance scene goes. It was IMHO MUCH WORSE than advertised! That is of course unless you were willing to comprimise yourself considerably! The best place I found was Cocomangas (not directly on the beach) mostly pairs of girls at this place. I would guess on any night there were six to ten freelanacers there. Only one rating above a 5 in the looks department. (this girl was quickly swooped up and was gone within 20 minutes) leaving her unattractive older chainsmoking friends behind.

I took a trike down to D-Mall and then walked to Hey Jude which was absolutly dead. Then a stroll to Summer Place (this was on the trike drivers suggestion for best place to go) and Bamboo Bar, both of which were dead also.

There was a few girls lurking in the shadows on the footpath on the walk back to La Carmela offering "special message" for 1500 p however they was just soo unattractive. In the end. I could not comprimise myself to go with the extreme uglies. So I went home alone.

In retrospect I wish I would have brought my AC hottie with me. Yes it would have cost me an extra 10, 000 p ($220 USD) but it would have been better than scouring Boracay for the dregs that were available.

The weather there was VERY WINDY! And cold too (low 70s) Did a bit of Diving with Victory Divers (A german outfit) who I can thouroghly recomend- (1700 p for a dive and rental)

All in all I'm glad I went to Boracay, but I was SOO happy when we touched back down in Clark!

Perhaps my sampling group was to small (2 nights, midweek) or there is some "secret" place I don't know about. But.

IMHO Boracay is a great place to take a date or do some diving, but don't plan on finding some great freelance scene there!

A Note for you pilots and Aviation buffs. The Caticlan airport is a single strip runway less than 3000 ft long! The Dornier 328 needed every inch to get off the ground. In fact the day before we arrived a Z AIR went long and crashed at the end of the runway. The wreckage was simply pushed to the side, and the show went on.

INGAT!

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[X Man]

I suppose you'd have to expect fewer books about travel considering the huge difference in visitors. In 2007, Thailand got about 1.2 million foreign tourists a month, Indonesia averaged 442,000 and the Philippines about 285,000.

That being said, I've found books on culture, character, diving and even bicycling.

Maybe now would be a good time for people to recommend their favorite books and/or web sites on the Philippines.

X


Anyone ever wonder why there is so little literature written for or about The Phiilippines? I mean there really is not alot out there. From what I've gathered, the best resource out there is the Lonely Planet guide, which even seemed to me to be outdated.

Is this an untouched market, or do people just not care? God knows theres a ton of info out there for Thailand.

[AussieOverboard]

Hi,

I plan to meet my GF from Samar's parents for the first time. She said we should bring food over. Is there something that I should get in the US to bring? What is appropriate?

I always bring my Father in Law a bottle of Chivas from duty free. From what i can tell it is a real status symbol and makes him very proud to offer his best guests a drink. My mother in law is on medication so I alwats bring her 3 - 4 months supply. SHows I am thinking of her. Wife I bring Large blocks of cadbury, If you wrap them in about 5 sheets of newspaper they dont get melted. I normally bring a couple of barbie dolls as on your travels you will always meet some cute youngster, cousins daughter etc and they love having a barbie doll. For the younger boys I just make sure i have plenty of 5 and 1 peso coins. they very happily run off to the sari sari store.

[GoodEnough]

I suppose you'd have to expect fewer books about travel considering the huge difference in visitors. In 2007, Thailand got about 1.2 million foreign tourists a month, Indonesia averaged 442,000 and the Philippines about 285,000.

That being said, I've found books on culture, character, diving and even bicycling.

Maybe now would be a good time for people to recommend their favorite books and/or web sites on the Philippines.

X
One of the reasons accounting for the dismal failure of Philippine tourism is the lack of tourist infrastructure here, as compared to Thailand say, or Vietnam. There are several reasons for this, but the two most important are the massive corruption that permeates all ministries, which means that money allocated in theory for infrastructure that might lead to tourism investment, is stolen, and siphoned off into the pockets of the politicians. Another key reason is the lack of foreign investment; an area in which this country lags far, far behind it's neighbors. Again, the reason may be related to corruption, as those who might invest recognize the utter lack of legal protection, the inability to actually own anything, and the necessity to establish relationships with local "partners."

In a country in which nothing is protected, including the rights of foreign investors, who would bother to invest?

GE

[Just Jim]

Man your report was perfect, and I concur however there are a percentge of wonderful people there. I have been ripped off lied to (NOTE it is normal for a Phil to lie all of the time) but slowly but surely I am connecting with the right group of people there.

Go there and expect little and focus on the amazing pussy, I had more good sex with more different amateur woman in the first 11 days in January that I will for the next 354 here in Canada and thats the facts Jack.

The Phils has hidden treasures and jewels and it is the people but mostly they are a you describe.

When they leave the country however everythign changes and they grow a brain and get focused, sadly there they are affected by thir friends and lack the character to rise above, I mena how easy would it be to stand out in ts crowd.

Then the ones that do get ahead are usually the worst people to hang with as their arrogance dominates and they look down on all who are beneath them.

I prefer and feast on wonderful single moms, they usually work hard and fuck harder!

Just Jim

[Marconista]

Where ever I go, I buy the Culture Shock! books.

It is not about places to visit, but about the people and culture in the countries I visit. I find the serie very valuable when travelling to new places.

I can not recall any good webpages with info right now, but there are a lot of info out there, which is relevant.

What are you actually looking for?


Anyone ever wonder why there is so little literature written for or about The Phiilippines? I mean there really is not alot out there. From what I've gathered, the best resource out there is the Lonely Planet guide, which even seemed to me to be outdated.

Is this an untouched market, or do people just not care? God knows theres a ton of info out there for Thailand.

[Columpuss]

I think ShadowAxis hit some home-runs about why the lack of tourism in the PIs.
There are only two local dishes to eat there: Balut and chicken adobo. They made an attempt to import a foreign cuisine but chose the worst country on this planet, US.
I think it is the only country in Asia that doesn't feel and look like Asia. People don't want to fly thousands of miles to visit a country that looks like a poor Spanish neighborhood in Los Angeles .

[Lenience]

I think ShadowAxis hit some home-runs about why the lack of tourism in the PIs.
There are only two local dishes to eat there: Balut and chicken adobo. They made an attempt to import a foreign cuisine but chose the worst country on this planet, US.
I think it is the only country in Asia that doesn't feel and look like Asia. People don't want to fly thousands of miles to visit a country that looks like a poor Spanish neighborhood in Los Angeles .

LOL! Quite racist but spot on. Endearing as Filipinos can be (especially the hot nubile ones), they are a confused culture. I know many Japanese who know the Phils only by reputation but won't visit there because they have heard the awful truth about the food.

[GoodEnough]

There's a lot of truth in Lenience's post, particularly about the food, which is the worst I've ever tasted in Asia, it's sort of like the UK of Asia since, in my opinion British food is about the worst in the Western world, though I will admit that the US stuff comes in a close second. It's not only the food though, it's everything else--like the lack of infrastructure--plus the food and the fact that the culture itself--unlike Vietnam and Thailand and Malaysia--is just not terribly interesting.

GE

[Wicked Roger]

There's a lot of truth in Lenience's post, particularly about the food, which is the worst I've ever tasted in Asia, it's sort of like the UK of Asia since, in my opinion British food is about the worst in the Western world, though I will admit that the US stuff comes in a close second.

GEGE

How can you say that - have you never eaten good fish and chips with mushy peas, or black sausage and haggis, or fried Mars bars.....

The British cuisine has so much to offer and such diveristy from US cuisine :D

As for you FR and others, I am not a fan of Filipino food, but the pork belly can be tasty if not great on the waistline. The country does offer a lot but the problems and hassles to get to some nice places coupled with the lack basics at times will never put it poeple's top 10 for tourist destinations

Now am off to try a decent liver and bacon with mashed potoes - yummy :D

[FreebieFan]

Well, maybe I'm biased but having spent one month in US last summer (and having visited the place every year for past ten years) every menu in Us looks same. It all has burgers. All has fried chicken. In many out of way places has meatloaf (yuck! ). Has ribs etc. All menus are same and all lack vegetables and salads. Except the standard caesar salad and cobb salad.

US food is dull. Tasteless. And the portions are too much for most invividuals, except of corse for the real fatties. Of which there are plenty.

UK food isn't streets ahead, but does have a greater sense of variety including pies, roasts, fish dishes etc.

One mans meat. Etc.

[Cunning Stunt]

There's a lot of truth in Lenience's post, particularly about the food, which is the worst I've ever tasted in Asia, it's sort of like the UK of Asia since, in my opinion British food is about the worst in the Western world, though I will admit that the US stuff comes in a close second. It's not only the food though, it's everything else--like the lack of infrastructure--plus the food and the fact that the culture itself--unlike Vietnam and Thailand and Malaysia--is just not terribly interesting.

GE

What, do you not like fish n’ chips or Roast Beef and Yorkshire Pudding? And I cannot believe that you would turn your nose up at a bit of spotted dick!

Seriously though, food in Britain (as opposed to British food) has undergone something of a renaissance in the past few years. If you take the Michelin Guide as an arbiter of excellence (as most do), then Britain comes third on the list of European countries with restaurants with 1*, 2* or the much vaunted 3 star category. Only France and Italy have more listed places. Admittedly there are only 3 restaurants with the magic 3 stars but that is more than Switzerland, or Belgium or Holland.

Now I do agree with your comments regarding Filipino food. It can be truly and momentously awful. Their national dish Adobo is an, admittedly tasty, but fundamentally simple dish (even I can cook it) of pork, vinegar, garlic and black pepper. Some dishes are disgusting to the point of inedibility, such as dinuguan which is a mixture of liver, pork blood and vinegar, rather like liquid black pudding! It makes me feel ill just to watch it being eaten. And has anyone tried Balut, the semi-formed duck embryo that you are supposed to swallow whole, like an oyster. I have but was plastered at the time and regretted it later. And don’t leave your beloved pet pooch with Filipino relatives in the provinces. I kid you not. If it barks too much and annoys the neighbors, it is liable to end up as dog stew pulatan – Pinoy late night drinking food.

For the best food in the Philippines try Bicol food. This is from south Luzon and is very tasty. It is similar to Thai food in that they use a lot of coconut milk and chilies in their recipes. Their signature dish is Bicol Express, which as the name implies is pretty hot and spicy and might have you chugging along to the CR the next day.

[Columpuss]

About three years ago, while spending a night in Ermita, I was surprised when I saw the Manila bay transformed from place full of vendors and beggars into a entertainment strip full of music and food. So I looked forward to coming to Ermita every year while transiting to other locations. Until last year when they killed the whole thing. This is just another example of the Philipinos shooting themselves in the foot. Was there another legitimate reason that i didn't know about?

[Cunning Stunt]

About three years ago, while spending a night in Ermita, I was surprised when I saw the Manila bay transformed from place full of vendors and beggars into a entertainment strip full of music and food. So I looked forward to coming to Ermita every year while transiting to other locations. Until last year when they killed the whole thing. This is just another example of the Philipinos shooting themselves in the foot. Was there another legitimate reason that i didn't know about?

Yes - me too. I used to really enjoy an occasional evening down there, have a meal, a few beers and take in a live band. It used to be a real tourist magnet.

Then the asshole otherwise known as Mayor Lim intervened and shut the whole thing down. This was apparently in response to a few complaints about noise, from foreign visitors to the ASEAN meeting held in Manila in mid-2007. They were staying at the Diamond and were apparently missing a little beauty sleep in between their visits to KTV and Hostess Bars.

If you ever require proof of the inept, short sighted, fuck the people policies of the rich and all powerful in the Philippines, this might be a good example to use.

P.S There are still a few lively, open-air bars across Roxas Boulevard, near Remedios.

[Professional]

Locals eat like raccoons No matter how many time I read this it still make me laugh.

[Redfield10]

I will be flying from SFO to Manila. Arriving 5:40 am Feb 21. Then Feb 23 I'm flying PAL to Cebu and I'm flying a girl from Tacloban to Cebu on Feb 24.

However, since I had to change the girl's flight I still owe some penalty money which I apparently have to pay in the Phils. I am wondering if it's easiest to pay this at a PAL ticket office upon my arrival in Manila early on the 21st. Or to wait until I take my domestic flight to Cebu. And the either pay then at the Manila airport or upon arrival at Cebu (for the girl's flight the next day).

Sorry. This is my first time in the Phils. So I don't know.

Thanks!

[Big Johnson2]

Hi Guys,

I'm from America and was wondering in other countries do they have American Restaurants and what do they serve as American dishes? In USA most of the time we are going out to a type of Restaurant: fish, vegetarian, burgers, steak, or maybe a southern cooking with fried chicken, or breakfast food. Usually though we would go out for Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Italian, etc. I'm asking what is considered American dishes? Please tell me are their unique Australian or New Zealand dishes also?

Thanks

[Puerto La Cruz]

Hi Guys,
I'm from America and was wondering in other countries do they have American Restaurants and what do they serve as American dishes? In USA most of the time we are going out to a type of Restaurant: fish, vegetarian, burgers, steak, or maybe a southern cooking with fried chicken, or breakfast food. Usually though we would go out for Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Indian, Italian, etc. I'm asking what is considered American dishes? Please tell me are their unique Australian or New Zealand dishes also?

Thanks


Kenny Rogers, Shakey's Pizza, McDonalds, etc. Just walk around any mall and you will see the so called "American Restaurants." In my experience though, the quality sucks except for McDonalds. McDonalds cheeseburger in Manila tastes exactly like one from Chi-Town. And you can get rice rather than fries. There are a bunch of others doing business there, mostly fast food franchises. Nothing comes to mind outside of the malls and fast food franchises.

[Robbaf]

There is a PAL office in Centennial 2, between the international and domestic departure entrances and you pull a ticket and wait for an hour or more to talk to a rep, but if it was me, I would wait until I landed in Cebu and work it out there.

Robb



I will be flying from SFO to Manila. Arriving 5:40 am Feb 21. Then Feb 23 I'm flying PAL to Cebu and I'm flying a girl from Tacloban to Cebu on Feb 24.

However, since I had to change the girl's flight I still owe some penalty money which I apparently have to pay in the Phils. I am wondering if it's easiest to pay this at a PAL ticket office upon my arrival in Manila early on the 21st. Or to wait until I take my domestic flight to Cebu. And the either pay then at the Manila airport or upon arrival at Cebu (for the girl's flight the next day).

Sorry. This is my first time in the Phils. So I don't know.

Thanks!

[Big Johnson2]

I have one night in Manila soon. Where is a good place to go for some action. What do the girls at EDSA cost? I've been to L. A. Cafe before but never been anywhere else. Nothing in Makati. I am from America so prefer that is not geared to Asians and used to "foreign" customers. What can I expect for BF price.

Thanks for the help.

[Big Johnson2]

I'm only seeing 9 Threads for the Philippine section of the site. I had thought there were other threads for the site with other locations besides Angeles. I am correct or just imagining things?

Thanks

[Lenience]

OK, so the consensus is that we do not go to the Philippines to eat great food. I have been there many times, but I am looking forward to being in Manila soon for a longer spell than usual, unaccompanied, and free on weekends. My question is - where can I go for weekends to enjoy a clean beach, reasonable hotels, good snorkeling, and a good selection of freelancers?

Seems like a simple question!

[ShadowAxis]

There are also Chili's, Friday's, (insert generic American mid-tier food chain), Bubba Gumps, Hard Rock. List goes on an on. Here in Manila, the best "american" place I have been to is probably the Filling Station on Burgeos St. (smack in the middle of pussytown) Sadly, I don't eat there often because even by San Francisco standards the place is extremely expensive. Panama Jacks. In the same area is also pretty good. They serve Apple Pie which passes the test!

Generally, as mentioned in a previous post. The food sucks. The local foodstuffs tend to be a lower quality and often. The 100% all beef patty is usually more like a meatloaf. (the locals just can't resist the urge to break anything done right) The burgers at Chili's and Friday's tend to be "grey all the way through, " which leads me to suspect they are microwaved.

Best steak in Manila would be at the Handlebar on Polaris St. Walking distance from Burgeos St. On Fri, Sat and Sun they have a BBQ (steak, chicken, other things) with baked potato, corn, cole slaw, baked beans and other fixens. I think this is the best steak deal. The quality ranges from a 6 to a 10. And the price is about $12. 00 US for a big rib-eye. Not bad.

In reality the best American food is had at home. I have a nice BBQ on the terrace, and make my own burgers. It's breakfast now, and I hear the housekeeper making scrambled eggs. And I can smell the corned beef hash (not the local crap, but the American crap. Hormell, from a can) in the fry pan.

In a pinch, the Jollibee Chili Cheese Dog with fries and coke is edible. But bring your own mustard. Avoid anything "philippino style, " that means they dumped about a cup of sugar into it. It's a miracle any of the locals have teeth.


Kenny Rogers, Shakey's Pizza, McDonalds, etc. Just walk around any mall and you will see the so called "American Restaurants." In my experience though, the quality sucks except for McDonalds. McDonalds cheeseburger in Manila tastes exactly like one from Chi-Town. And you can get rice rather than fries. There are a bunch of others doing business there, mostly fast food franchises. Nothing comes to mind outside of the malls and fast food franchises.

[Just Jim]

HI Lenience

I have spent 12 of the last 20 weeks in the Phils and recommend 3 spots that I have been to and have heard of 2 others.

Boracay is nice, bring your own pussy.

Bohol is nice, Bring your own Pussy.

Dumagette is nice, bring your own Pussy.

Palawan is reportedly magnificient, bring your own pussy.

Surigao is reportedly magnificient, bring your own pussy

I hope to have been to both places by June this year.

Just Jim

[Buko Max]

I'm from America and was wondering in other countries do they have American Restaurants and what do they serve as American dishes?
Nothing more American than Hooters! :cool:

[FreebieFan]

Whilst all you guys are putting down Filipino foods, and some if it is crap, lets not forget the delights of sinigang, a sour soup featuring tamarind thats not found anywhere else in Asia. This is what I always have to remind me I'm in Phils. A great kinilaw, freshly made will also hit the spot in the way that ceviche does in Europe. For those in Davao and tuna fishing territory, BBQ tuna jaw really is a meal to remember. Theres a number of other ddelights but they get lost as we tend to see kare-kare and other items that are unappealing, left to stew.

But there are some good dishes as in all countries.

[Ekspat]

IMO the best food is to be found in Malaysia and Singapore,
since there everything is available in excellent quality.
Indian, Chinese and Malay food, in the northern areas Thai food.

Even as Westerner I don't go for Western food.
No way with such variety!

Cheers!

[Southbound69]

Hey Guys,

I know this subject comes up on occasion but maybe this can help some guys. I was recently successful at booking with my credit card on Cebu Pacific. They had a great deal from Clark to Bangkok so knowing that it wouldn’t go through I thought "what the hell, I’ll try anyway". I wasn’t sure if I had tried this card before but thought I would try it again because it was the only card I could get to work with Air Asia. It is a Citibank Mastercard, issued in the US. It happens to be a debit card but I don’t think it matters. Well, the card went through and I got an instant confirmation number! Whoo Hooo! I tried it again two days later on another fare and it worked again. This is soooo much better than going to a Cebu Pacific ticket office, waiting for 45 minutes, having to pay cash and being stuck with a higher fare for a last minute flight not to mention the service fee. So this is the only card I ever got to work with Cebu Pacific or Air Asia. Maybe they changed their reservations system? With PAL I never had any problem using my Capital One Visa.

Southbound69

[Hairy Wonder]

not the local crap, but the American crap.

This is another line from SA that keeps me laughing! :D

[Danahaste]

My fellow mongers,

While there are lots of suggestions in the forum to buyin' a SIM card and getting money from ATMs, I didnot see a posting on where this can be done. After arriving at the international terminal, where is the best place to buy a SIM card and get pesos for the taxi? I'll be staying at the Hyatt so any suggestions for that area would also be apprciated.

[Bkkbob40]

A few weeks ago someone posted about a driver with a car in the Philippines. I can't seem to find it now. I think he was in Cavite. Can you help? I will be there the first of March. Have not been in the Philippines since 1979.