Davao

[Red Kilt]

. . . . . . . Claude's is the only place in Davao that makes me feel, for just a small fraction of time, that I'm back there [in France]. . . . . . . . <SNIP . . . On Saturday night when we were there, the place was almost packed, largely with wealthy, well-dressed Filipinos, and I like that as well as I get tired to looking at shorts, flip flops and tee shirts.

GEOn my last visit to Davao early in May for 2 nights only I planned in advance to catch up with GE and I specifically asked if we could have dinner at Claude's. I cannot imagine ever visiting Davao without dinner at Claude's no matter who is waiting for a text.

As always, we had a great meal in splendid ambient surroundings.

I am a staunch fan and have been for exactly 9 years.

[Omall2008]

Going off topic somewhat but more intersting than some of the nonsense I see here.

As an englishman living in Scotland for 16 yrs I feel I have one of the best larders there is on my doorstep. And the locals seem to have woken up to the fact too.

My family still live in the south of England and I am afraid I could never go back.

Some of the french pomposity and arrogance is annoying, but they have a culture and education system that teaches the value of good food cooked well. They also have an enormous and irrational focus on regional cuisine. For the sake of my heart I would choose southern France. Although I would pick southern Italy over all of them, if forced.

My second trip to Phil looms. 2 weeks sampling Cebu and Davao with a short stop in Manila.

Bon appetite

[Brymor]

For me it is the snobbery and superior elitist attitudes that often seem to go hand in hand with French cuisine and French wines that is the aspect I find least palatable (forgive the pun) or at least that seems to be the case from what I have experienced in my own country. Whilst I understand French very well, I dislike the attitudes of some restaurants who insist on using only French for their menus and wine lists (in the UK) and then take a patronising stance when customers need help. I admit my perception has been marred by one or two unfortunate experiences in my own country and clearly there is a demand for such establishments otherwise they would not continue trading. Not wishing to generate another off topic discussion but in some ways the attitudes and behaviour remind me of Golf Clubs and Associations in the UK that seem to attract a snobbish and elitist element and is the one reason I have never become a member. I once had unknowingly broken one of the rules of a club I had attended to play a round of golf with my father many years ago. I was in the bar after coming in off the course and having changed into a jacket, smart shirt, tailored jeans and shoes and was told publicly by a member of the Committee not to come again if I ever wore jeans. Perhaps not a great comparator to the original topic, but the feeling I had at the time reminds me a lot of the way I feel about French dining in the UK.

[GoodEnough]

I don't much care if it's off topic or not. It's an interesting discussion. I lived for several years in Paris, eating from time to time in some of the "grande" restaurants and most of the time in much more modest bistros and brasseries. Never, in any of these establishments, did I feel that the service or the food was presumptuous or elitist. However, what I experienced as in situ. Maybe it's quite different in the UK and elsewhere outside of France. I don't remember ever having felt that way in French restaurants in the US, but it's been quite sometime since I've lived in the States, and my perceptions are well out of date.

As to printing menus exclusively in French, even in non French-speaking countries, I don't think this is limited to French restaurants. I've noticed, for example, in Thailand, where few speak and / or read English, the menus in English pubs in Bangkok are always printed in English. Maybe insisting on English or French for the menus is a way of stressing the authenticity of the food or wine.

In France, I think the attitude is that the English (or Americans) don't bother translating their menus into French for us so why should we translate ours into English for them?

Finally, the really good French restaurants in which I've eaten in Makati and Fort Bonifacio-Je Suis Gourmand and ÇI Cou for example-print their menus in French and English.

GE

[Brymor]

GE.

My bad experiences were with two very upmarket and well known restaraunts in London, one of which currently has two Mitchelin stars. Some guests in my party did not understand French and lacked knowledge about wines and I just thought they were treated patronisingly and with contempt. I do like to poke fun at the French (after all I am English) and can take as much as I give, hence the motivation underlying my original post. But I do find some attitudes to French wine by those that like to think they are very knowledgable, often snobbish and disdainful of those that do not have the same level of understanding. If I do venture to Davao next month then I will visit Claudes just to be able to say "I have been there" to all you fans of the place and to be able to have a more informed discussion about the merits of the place. I will try to leave my prejudices behind when visiting (together with my shorts, flip flops and T shirt).

[GoodEnough]

Mortman, I hope I'm in town when you get here. It would be a pleasure to accompany you. Hopefully, by then Claude will have restocked his cellar.

GE

[FreebieFan]

I guess we're on opposite sides of the French / English divide. I spent lots of time in England eating what I thought was the worst, most bland, and thoroughly tasteless crap I've ever encountered, whereas I find French cuisine the best in the world. As to French wines, there are simply none better on this planet in my opinion. Having lived in France for a long time, and being pretty fluent in the language, I would happily spend my remaining years on that side of the channel, whereas I'm not sure anyone could pay me enough to live on the other side. I guess the twain will never meet in our case.Being a proud Englishman I'm not even going to get into a reply to this. Except to say having lived in both sides of the said Channel I would way rather stay in Asia, eating Thai food and enjoying either high end Californian or Australian wines. The twain will surely never meet. Vive la difference!

[Sxxxx]

Being a proud Englishman I'm not even going to get into a reply to this. Except to say having lived in both sides of the said Channel I would way rather stay in Asia, eating Thai food and enjoying either high end Californian or Australian wines. The twain will surely never meet. Vive la difference!I fully concur. Pompous types like to rant about French this / that. Thai food and Australian wines, now that is something. Saw in International paper today, Brit wines are coming of age nowadays too."May the road be long or short, rough or smooth, we mean to reach our journeys end"

Eating pussy, now thats a different one. Think Barba the Beast might have something to say on that subject. See he has seen the light and moved on over to Cebu City nowadays. I'll try and get some Cebu Filipinas pregnant so he can breast feed, LOL.

[GoodEnough]

Being a proud Englishman I'm not even going to get into a reply to this. Except to say having lived in both sides of the said Channel I would way rather stay in Asia, eating Thai food and enjoying either high end Californian or Australian wines. The twain will surely never meet. Vive la difference!It's hard to disagree with the staying in Asia and living in Thailand part. I thought we were limiting options to France and the UK. I've had excellent California and Australian wines in Bangkok, as well as some good French Bordeaux, and I'd put Thailand high up on the list of possible retirement destinations. By the way, I wasn't trying to denigrate the UK. My comment was restricted to the food, but then, I'm an American and not much of a fan of American food either.

GE

[FreebieFan]

It's hard to disagree with the staying in Asia and living in Thailand part. I thought we were limiting options to France and the UK. I've had excellent California and Australian wines in Bangkok, as well as some good French Bordeaux, and I'd put Thailand high up on the list of possible retirement destinations. By the way, I wasn't trying to denigrate the UK. My comment was restricted to the food, but then, I'm an American and not much of a fan of American food either.

GEMr GE I love it when guys answer sensibly, maturely and not with the total intention of denigrating or refuting the words of the poster. Thanks for that! I have my days when a nice plate of ribs is well appreciated etc, but most American good leaves me quite uninterested. And the portions leave me shocked, at the sheer waste. I would certainly put BKK higher than JB.

[Yiddo]

Well, just read three pages of threads, and found almost zero information about the girl scene in Davao. Maybe a change of name is needed for this forum. Banalrandomchit-chat. Com?

[X Man]

There are no fun girls in Davao. They've all left and work in AC. Go there Yiddo.


Well, just read three pages of threads, and found almost zero information about the girl scene in Davao. Maybe a change of name is needed for this forum. Banalrandomchit-chat. Com?

[Member #4491]

Yiddo, have a look at the Reports Of Distinctions. This form of board is bound do have a lot of distortion since many of us are friends and maintain some form of relation on the boards, just filling them with nonsense. Normally you need to read some 15-20 pages back to get an idea of the updated status of for example Davao.

Sxxxx, would I have to call you uncle, then? :-D My last trip I had zero preggos. Sad but true. I actually have had more virgins than preggos in Cebu and Davao, yet no one offer these to me. I am always just extended a helping hand (dick) in the part where some girl is getting impregnated.

By the way, is there any fellow monger out there with some preggo contact for July and / and September?

H

[Col Law]

Anyone with recommendations out there please

Colislaw

[Member #4491]

Anyone with recommendations out there please

ColislawNot sure what a pension house is (I am non English) but do you mean a cheaper place to stay, with breakfast and dinner included?

B

[GoodEnough]

Anyone with recommendations out there please

ColislawThere are several around town. The largest is probably the Sampagita Inn on Quirino St. Which is quote large and pretty inexpensive. There are lots of inexpensive hotels like the Orange Grove on Bajada and the Habana Hptel just off Rizal St. You won't have any problem finding a place.

GE

[Topmanten]

Hi I will be staying at mako polo hotel, is there is any action near by, what will be the present ongoing rates for LT

[Sxxxx]

Yiddo, have a look at the Reports Of Distinctions. This form of board is bound do have a lot of distortion since many of us are friends and maintain some form of relation on the boards, just filling them with nonsense. Normally you need to read some 15-20 pages back to get an idea of the updated status of for example Davao.

Sxxxx, would I have to call you uncle, then? :-D My last trip I had zero preggos. Sad but true. I actually have had more virgins than preggos in Cebu and Davao, yet no one offer these to me. I am always just extended a helping hand (dick) in the part where some girl is getting impregnated.

By the way, is there any fellow monger out there with some preggo contact for July and / and September?

HWell Uncle as you call him, code language for the most knowledgeable guy on Cebu's sex scene or any other Cebu scene for that matter, he having lived as an expat in Cebu for about 30yrs now at a guess would know if anyone knew, LOL. Keep that inside info for yourself of course, as I know you will, that is, Uncle. There are just some things you just don't pass around and Uncle is one I know you will keep to yourself. For sure a book or movie could be written about him, that is for sure. The rest of us guys have done nothing and experienced nothing compared to him, although he has been in retirement mode for sometime now, and has gone to the dogs re weight etc etc. Must admit haven't seen him for about 5 years now, he scared me, last time I met him. Getting scarey that guy, tread warily, be well mannered, LOL. Respects me cause of the old days, but he is still scarey, LOL, especially maybe for someone who has not met him before, LOL.

We veterans follow you younguns on this website. Nice to know new deviates are coming through from time to time. My time is nearly up, but still good for a few more stands, hopefully. Keep up the good work.

[Member #4491]

hi i will be staying at mako polo hotel, is there is any action near by, what will be the present ongoing rates for ltdavao is not really geared towards st and lt or p4p at all in that respect. if you go to central bank / tlonko street, san pedro or the area around apo view you will find streetwalkers that ask you 2000 and settle for less than half if you push them. you can have them for hours and more. one stayed with me for three days a long time ago (when i had three days for the same girl) , and i just fed her and bought some clothes for a few hundred pesos. these places are called "the std central" but i am not sure they are worse than hot legs and the other strip dumps. if you are not prepared to share your love, you should expect 1000-1500 php for an encounter of some hours up to a night. sometimes i have paid 500, but i don't care much about bargaining for a few hundred pesos. only the real hard core hoes will count pops and minutes in davao.

if you are nice to them, they do not ask for money, but there is of course nothing that stops you from still sharing. if you are up for adventures you ask the cab driver to take you to a casa (someone living room where they have 2-3 girl. be aware of **** girls and setups. or you go to bungoyan beach for some hard core mongering. the bungoyan chicks are sometimes addicts and this is one of the hang out for rougher boys as well, so do not go there with the general visitors "i am the king of the world"-attitude, unless you wish to practice your kick boxing.

happy hunting!

b

[Sxxxx]

Well, just read three pages of threads, and found almost zero information about the girl scene in Davao. Maybe a change of name is needed for this forum. Banalrandomchit-chat. Com?But its people like you who make it all worthwhile, LOL.

[Sxxxx]

Hi I will be staying at mako polo hotel, is there is any action near by, what will be the present ongoing rates for LTDepends on the size of their boobs, LOL.

[Member #4491]

Sxxxx, you said that for years. You will live to be 120.

[Member #4491]

Hello. I posted this in DragonSlayers forum, and figured I would share it here as well for the ones that do not visit his board.

My itinerary:

July 13-15: Batam.

July 15: Cebu from noon and for the afternoon and night.

July 16: Davao (with islands) from noon and for 1 week.

Ping me and we can share a coke / SML or a trip to Samal on the bikes.

B

[Member #4491]

A must see about the Mindanao wild west.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7GG1pfdDNo

B

[Member #4341]

Hello, ,

Doas anyone have some experiences with Crown Regency hotel in Davao?

Is it friendly hotel to bring in girls?

[Member #4491]

Hello, ,

Doas anyone have some experiences with Crown Regency hotel in Davao?

Is it friendly hotel to bring in girls?Yes on both questions.

Barba

[GoodEnough]

I doubt that there's a single hotel here that isn't "friendly." I live here, so I don't know the intimate details of most hotels. But the Crown Regency doesn't look like it would be at the top of my list of places to stay, as it appears fairly seedy and down market. On the other hand, I've known people who have stayed there and considered it an okay type of place, as long as you don't have high expectations for the quality of the room. I wouldn't however, worry about the friendliness of any hotel in Davao.

GE.


Hello, ,

Doas anyone have some experiences with Crown Regency hotel in Davao?

Is it friendly hotel to bring in girls?

[WhatsUrName]

Hi! Long time lurker, first time poster.

Is CNBC or Bloomberg readily available in Davao City via Cable? Can you verify they cover the US Markets during the US Trading day?

Thanks.

[GoodEnough]

Hi! Long time lurker, first time poster.

Is CNBC or Bloomberg readily available in Davao City via Cable? Can you verify they cover the US Markets during the US Trading day?

Thanks.Bloomberg is available on Sky Cable, which is, I think, what most hotels have. I'm not sure about CNBC. The US trading day is night time here, so I've never watched it then as I prefer to sleep, but I'm sure the market's well covered.

GE

[Slippery]

Why not just log into bloomberg. Com or cnbc. Com? BTW Geithner is whining a tantrum right now about the downgrade.

[Stroker Ace88]

Hello, ,

Doas anyone have some experiences with Crown Regency hotel in Davao?

Is it friendly hotel to bring in girls?Alex,

I stayed a few months ago and I can give you the low-down on the Crowne Regency Davao.

First the rooms are run-down and old by Western standards. It needs a major renovation to say the least, but if you are looking for a basic place to crash and bring a girl then it might be ok.

When you check in you are required to count the towels and glasses and extra blanket and sign for them. The bellman will ask you to do this when you are taken to the room and it made me laugh and I asked if he was serious but clearly you are not staying at a five star hotel. The CR Davao was built in a motel style which means when you open your hotel room door you are outside and this can lead to major air conditioning and noise issues. The beds need new mattresses, and the sheets had holes in them but the TV remote kind of worked.

This hotel does not have a refrigerator in the rooms so if you want to bring back a few drinks to enjoy you can't keep them cold. You can go get some ice at the restaurant but I forget if they charged me or not.

The free wifi worked well in the room when I arrived but by Friday night it was cut off and it only worked in the lobby. Both Saturday and Sunday there was no wifi available and they turned it off to save money. I checked out early because of the conditions which is very unusual for me.

Also alot of the rooms are located in the back wing of the hotel and you have to enter the "50's cafe" hotel restaurant to get to your room and this can lead to big walk of shame issues when families are there to eat as all eyes will be on you.

Also the Crowne Regency Davao is sandwiched between a drive-in short time hotel, and people come and go all hours of the day and night to get a little jerjer and it was not unusual for taxi's or whoever to use the horn at 4am. On the weekend you can forget about getting any sleep because the short time hotel was very popular. I walked around one day and every room of the short time hotel has a theme. From firehouses, moon landscapes, farmhouses, egyptian themes, dungeon themes but I did not check it out.

It was also a long taxi ride to SM mall, but close to a few other smaller malls.

I liked the Crowne Regency hotels in Cebu and Makati and I booked expecting the same level and this place came up way short. I would not stay there again.

[FreebieFan]

Alex,

I When you check in you are required to count the towels and glasses and extra blanket and sign for them. The bellman will ask you to do this when you are taken to the room and it made me laugh and I asked if he was seriousI have some friends who are GM's of "proper" 5 star hotels. Will have to send them this very funny story. Could be a whole new revenue stream for them!

When will the Philippines hit the 21st century instead of having these backward antiquated customer turn off activities.

[GoodEnough]

Counting the towels and glasses is a new one for me as well. I bow to Stroker Ace's opinion of the place, which is about what I expected-very basic, somewhat shoddy but reasonably safe. As an alternative, someone may want to try Galleria on Gov. Theétente St. Just above Quirino. It's close to all, or most of the "action spots," though getting to these will still require a taxi ride, but I've had good reports from people to whom I've suggested the hotel. There's another place called Las Casitas or maybe La Casita just at the end of Rizal St. Where some people have had good experiences as well. There are also a few newish apartelles around but as I live here, and never stay in hotels, I forget their names. Another excellent value, as I've said many times before is Red Knight Garden Apartments where you can rent a studio for less than $20 a night or so. The downside is that it's about 25 minutes by taxi from the center of town, but the good news is there are plenty of taxis and they're cheap.

GE

[X Man]

When will you understand that the reason you love the Philippines is that it is not a 1st world country that does things exactly the way you want? Be careful what you wish for.


I have some friends who are GM's of "proper" 5 star hotels. Will have to send them this very funny story. Could be a whole new revenue stream for them!

When will the Philippines hit the 21st century instead of having these backward antiquated customer turn off activities.

[Member #4341]

[Text in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING Deleted by Admin]


Alex,

I stayed a few months ago and I can give you the low-down on the Crowne Regency Davao.

First the rooms are run-down and old by Western standards. It needs a major renovation to say the least, but if you are looking for a basic place to crash and bring a girl then it might be ok.

When you check in you are required to count the towels and glasses and extra blanket and sign for them. The bellman will ask you to do this when you are taken to the room and it made me laugh and I asked if he was serious but clearly you are not staying at a five star hotel. The CR Davao was built in a motel style which means when you open your hotel room door you are outside and this can lead to major air conditioning and noise issues. The beds need new mattresses, and the sheets had holes in them but the TV remote kind of worked.

This hotel does not have a refrigerator in the rooms so if you want to bring back a few drinks to enjoy you can't keep them cold. You can go get some ice at the restaurant but I forget if they charged me or not.

The free wifi worked well in the room when I arrived but by Friday night it was cut off and it only worked in the lobby. Both Saturday and Sunday there was no wifi available and they turned it off to save money. I checked out early because of the conditions which is very unusual for me.

Also alot of the rooms are located in the back wing of the hotel and you have to enter the "50's cafe" hotel restaurant to get to your room and this can lead to big walk of shame issues when families are there to eat as all eyes will be on you.

Also the Crowne Regency Davao is sandwiched between a drive-in short time hotel, and people come and go all hours of the day and night to get a little jerjer and it was not unusual for taxi's or whoever to use the horn at 4am. On the weekend you can forget about getting any sleep because the short time hotel was very popular. I walked around one day and every room of the short time hotel has a theme. From firehouses, moon landscapes, farmhouses, egyptian themes, dungeon themes but I did not check it out.

It was also a long taxi ride to SM mall, but close to a few other smaller malls.

I liked the Crowne Regency hotels in Cebu and Makati and I booked expecting the same level and this place came up way short. I would not stay there again.

EDITOR's NOTE: This report was edited or deleted because it was written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. Thanks!

[Orangevale Rob]

Does the Blue Room bar still exist in the Apo View?

I liked that place and there was a gorgeous Vietnamese looking girl working there when I was there.

[GoodEnough]

Does the Blue Room bar still exist in the Apo View?

I liked that place and there was a gorgeous Vietnamese looking girl working there when I was there.It's still there. I haven't been in for more than a ear ao I can't comment on the staff.

[FreebieFan]

When will you understand that the reason you love the Philippines is that it is not a 1st world country that does things exactly the way you want? Be careful what you wish for.You meanlike putting ice in warm beer to make it appear as cold beer. Nah I'm ok ig the 21st century intrudes on some of these practices. LOL

[Micky Mouse]

This is My 2nd visit to Davao. I will be there 31st Aug for three days. My first visit was just to explore the city and to eat durian.

I have seen plenty of girls hanging out SM and even at McDonalds late at night,

Hope any experienced mongers in Davao could advice on any pick joints even advice on nice clubs. Not KTV bars. But dj music and a alot of potential.

Last times, I drove around with a taxi guy around people's parke area around 3 am, there were street girls standing with pimps. I had a very bad experienced though. It was too rush and filthy.

It has been one year since I was there. Appreciate all the help I can. I am really in to small bulit girls. Prefer school / college girls.

Happy and Safe Mongering Guys.

[Wjmpsr]

Two Sexy bigirls need a man to complete the fun. And all done just for fun, no money to change hands. Send me your cell number qnd I wil pass along. Move FAST, THIS HAPPENS TODAY.

[Micky Mouse]

Two Sexy bigirls need a man to complete the fun. And all done just for fun, no money to change hands. Send me your cell number qnd I wil pass along. Move FAST, THIS HAPPENS TODAY.Hi,

I land in Davao at 10. 30pm today.

What is happening there?

[Sxxxx]

Hi,

I land in Davao at 10. 30pm today.

What is happening there?Not a lot 10. 30pm or any other time. Although "Mickey Mouse Town" would be a good name for the place. Go back to airport and catch a flight to Cebu City. After that Angeles. You seem to have a preference for mickey mouse sex scenes, LOL.

[Cheesemark75]

Is CNBC or Bloomberg readily available in Davao City via Cable? Can you verify they cover the US Markets during the US Trading day?If you're that concerned about the US Markets, you have got to get your news online.

[GoodEnough]

Last night we went for dinner to the newly relocated Café de Ville, often referred to as Claude's. It's diagonally across the street from his old location on Rizal St, and is now situated in an historic old Spanish home. The restaurant occupies the second floor. It's a truly gorgeous place, with the renovations done in perfect taste that blend French colonial styles with distinctly oriental influences, and the dining room looks like it might have been lifted intact from a late 19th to early 20th century French colonial outpost in Cambodia or perhaps Laos. It's about three times larger than his prior location, and can accommodate more than 70 customers. Last night it was full, and Claude's daughter Charisse told me it's been that way since they opened in the new location a week ago.

As I said in a post I tried to submit to the Slayer's forum last night, Claude's has long been the priciest restaurant in town, and that hasn't changed. It's certainly the prettiest. The new location features quite a substantial garden with small tables and chairs for those who want to drink or smoke al fresco. The theécor is lovely and though the place is much larger, it's still fairly intimate, with dim lights, white linen, and excellent service. Last night's dinner cost Php3, 000 a person, and that did not include desert, but did include two bottles of Red Sancerre and some Calvados. I had the duck breast (magret de canard) in orange sauce which was, as always, excellent, as were the escargots provençal with which I began the meal, and the pâté that all of us shared, which was served with carmelized red onions. For those who want to dine, and not merely eat, and who don't mind spending some money, it's the place to go in Davao. I think we spent about two and a half hours eating, drinking, socializing and having fun. We were the last customers to leave.

There's another restaurant called The Cellar on the ground floor of the house, and Claude told me that he was impressed by the quality of the food. It too is extremely attractive, though the menu of Filipino / Spanish cuisine didn't appeal much to me. It too however, has small tables and chairs set up in its portion of the garden.

At about 10:30, four of us strolled across the street to Chicos for nightcaps. The live band was playing 60s rock and roll, and there were several couples who had clearly come there to dance the night away. The crowd, as usual, was older with lots of single people and couples in their late 40s and early 50s. There were a few women-not young-who may have been on the look out for willing partners, and were surely eager to find guys with whom to dance. Had I been looking, they would not have interested me. In addition to my friends and me there were three or four other foreigners there, some with partners, others who were alone. Again, this is not a pick-up spot, but if you're with someone with whom you enjoy spending time, it's a fun place to go and listen to music, drink and dance.

On the way home, traveling up Bajada, we passed the turn-off for the Auto Shop, which looked like it must have been packed judging by the profusion of cars and taxis lined up around the area. We didn't go in, so this is strictly an inference on my part but it did appear to be jammed. I imagine the crowd was younger.

For the more sedate among us, who are content to enjoy good food, wine and music, and who don't mind paying for the privilege, Claude's and Chicos offer an excellent means of passing an enjoyable evening.

GE

[Jambo]

For the more sedate among us, who are content to enjoy good food, wine and music, and who don't mind paying for the privilege, Claude's and Chicos offer an excellent means of passing an enjoyable evening.I do enjoy reading yours and Slayer's posts on fine dining in the provinces. I will certainly try some of those places next time I get to Davao. The thing that gives me pause is, do I want to spend the $ on a girl who won't appreciate it. Perhaps they have, like in the states they have a "children's menu". Perhaps they might have a "My Pinay GF's Menu" with rice and a bit of lechon or chicken? (sorry in advance!)

[X Man]

I have admired that home several times and now it's possible to go inside. Wonderful. Yet another reason to make it back to Davao.

SNIP.


Last night we went for dinner to the newly relocated Café de Ville, often referred to as Claude's. It's diagonally across the street from his old location on Rizal St, and is now situated in an historic old Spanish home. GE

[Member #4491]

Thank you for that encouraging report, GE. I know it is politically incorrect but do you know if Claude serves foi grass?

Why are all good things in life bad?

GE, those cars are always there. To make you think exactly what you did. 30 guys parking, backing, going forward and turning a total traffic disaster into a PR event. In reality the place is empty, the DJ useless and the toilets filled with ladyboys pissing on the floor.

Barba.

3 more days to go

[GoodEnough]

Yes, Barba, Fois Gras is still on the menu. What would a truly French restaurant be without it? Thanks for clarifying the Auto Shop situation. I've been there exactly once and that was years ago, and I don't ever plan to return, so it's good that the guys who read this forum can get a more accurate picture of the place than I could ever provide.

Jambo, I feel your pain, but there's no kiddie menu. I do agree though, that paying those prices for a lady who would much rather have pandit or chicken adobo is something of a waste. I've seen guys doing this, I guess in an effort to impress their ladies for the night, and it never seems to work out very well. First, the girls are intimidated because they don't recognize anything on the menu, and they probably leave as hungry as when they arrived since they don't appear to like the food.

X it's a beautiful building and the renovations that Claude and his family did are consistent with the original style of the place, so it all blends together quite nicely. One of the friends with whom I had dinner there said the place closely resembles some of the old French colonial buildings that are still found in Phnom Penh and I agree. This house would not be out of place on the banks of the Mekong River. I forgot to mention in my original post that there's a lovely veranda which would be an ideal spot on which to sip coffee and after dinner drinks while looking at the river. If there was a river.

GE

[X Man]

Thanks GE for the update. What is the 1st floor used for? Hopefully it hasn't been sacrificed to become the kitchen.

Autoshop. I've been there two or three times. Loud and crowded on the weekends. I think it's mostly a stand bar, and people just dance next to their tables. There may be a tiny dance floor. But where else can you dance the night away in Davao?

X

[Member #4491]

Yummi. I am going and I WILL contribute to the world evil and eat some fat liver. I heard that there is an Italian producer that won prizes for his well tasting foie gras. Instead of stuffing them gavage style he waits until the little birdies are well due for the yearly migration and then just kill them before they fly off. The effect of the birds eating to prepare for the long journey is supposedly equal to force feeding these poor birds. What is the correct spelling anyway? Foi grass, foie gras, fois gras?

Having made my point about Autoshop (Hybrid nowadays) I must admit it CAN be steaming sometimes. Starr next door also. And one more place next to Star if I remember correct. Fat Bobby's I think there is one called as well, and the area itself is well worth a visit if you are in a party mood. Just go early since they close at 2 AM (more like 3 AM). After this you will have to go home, go to a karaoke place or some of the more seedy places that serves beer and Tanduai illegally.

I used to have fun at Station 91, but a younger and poorer crowd. No idea if it even still exists. Rizal 183 seems quite dead but there will be a reopening under new management in "some time". Evibe in Torres was fun sometimes with quite a few available young girls, but last visits it was dull, just like the rest of Torres. The adventurous head to bunguyan beach and hope for some improvised red horse and shabu rave party.

Pops bar next to the poker place and former Cogot (now called something else but still serve morning beer on the roof I have heard) aspires to be some sort of club with cool music and adult classy people. Here Duterte Junior fed me screwdrivers once, but I was to drunk to finish it. I was even to pissed to fuck the photo model that was hanging over me, so it was not a good evening.

I am not 100% updated on what is happening in Davao, but it was never a huge party city, and unfortunately changed for the worse the last 2-3 years. Please post a review if you find some other cool places.

Barba

[Finrod]

I do enjoy reading yours and Slayer's posts on fine dining in the provinces. I will certainly try some of those places next time I get to Davao. The thing that gives me pause is, do I want to spend the $ on a girl who won't appreciate it. Perhaps they have, like in the states they have a "children's menu". Perhaps they might have a "My Pinay GF's Menu" with rice and a bit of lechon or chicken? (sorry in advance!)You're very highly unlikely to meet a girl who will appreciate it so you would be better off taking her to a local BBQ place where the menu will be familiar to her. Or go for the Filipino food courts in the local malls. Or if you can stomach it, there's always Jollibee's, KFC and Chow King. This is a mistake I've made several times. Shame on me. Heck, even did it again in Cebu on my last trip.

If you still want the fine dining experience and don't want to dine alone, try finding other expats of similar tastes and bankrolls.

[GoodEnough]

At about 5 o'clock this afternoon the sky over Davao turned black, warning everyone who lives here of the imminence of a severe storm. Undaunted, I got into my car and girded myself for the short ride to my house, a mere 4 or 5 kilometers distant. During that short ride, which took about 25 minutes, I witnessed more insane driving behavior than I could possibly see over a five or six year period in the West. The topper was a truck coming out of a small side street, managing to cut off two lanes of traffic while trying to turn, but blocked from doing so by the smaller cars, that clustered around the behemoth like gnats around an elephant. Not intimidated at all, a guy in a small Toyota decided he simply had to turn onto the small side street at the same time that the truck was trying to exit, with the result that nothing moved at all, until finally a few cars in the opposing lanes gave way to allow the truck some room. I've noticed that Filipino drivers are quite capable of creating a traffic jam with fewer than five cars.

Naturally, as soon as it started to rain heavily, both the electricity and the cell phone service went out, leaving me sweltering in the 100% humidity, and unable to make a call to the electric company to determine if there's enough masking tape and glue left in inventory to make repairs that will last until the next wind blows or the next heavy rain begins.

The ready availability of young, responsive ladies-the favorite subject of most who write herein-is about the only upside of living here.

GE

[Bob Bowie]

I was in Samal at the time and the power was knocked out by a fallen tree. What did surprise me was how good the Smart Internet was working on my phone. It is my old iPhone 3G that I had jail broken in Manila for 500 peso.

[X Man]

Oh, stop complaining. At least you didn't have a few nuclear reactors fart out radiation just 200km from your home. Living in the first world also has it's complications. GE, shouldn't you be riding a Harley? They need less space, and you are certainly cool enough.

X


At about 5 o'clock this afternoon the sky over Davao turned black, warning everyone who lives here of the imminence of a severe storm. Undaunted, I got into my car and girded myself for the short ride to my house, a mere 4 or 5 kilometers distant. During that short ride, which took about 25 minutes, I witnessed more insane driving behavior than I could possibly see over a five or six year period in the West. The topper was a truck coming out of a small side street, managing to cut off two lanes of traffic while trying to turn, but blocked from doing so by the smaller cars, that clustered around the behemoth like gnats around an elephant. Not intimidated at all, a guy in a small Toyota decided he simply had to turn onto the small side street at the same time that the truck was trying to exit, with the result that nothing moved at all, until finally a few cars in the opposing lanes gave way to allow the truck some room. I've noticed that Filipino drivers are quite capable of creating a traffic jam with fewer than five cars.

Naturally, as soon as it started to rain heavily, both the electricity and the cell phone service went out, leaving me sweltering in the 100% humidity, and unable to make a call to the electric company to determine if there's enough masking tape and glue left in inventory to make repairs that will last until the next wind blows or the next heavy rain begins.

The ready availability of young, responsive ladies-the favorite subject of most who write herein-is about the only upside of living here.

GE

[GoodEnough]

LIttle danger of nuclear fallout here X. The only reactor in the country was built more than 20 years ago at a cost of tens of millions of dollars, and has never generated a single kilowatt of electricity, though the government spent years paying off the loans used to finance the project. Just as well, since relying on the government here to maintain nuclear generating facilities would be a sure recipe for disaster. Remember, that this is the country that can't figure out how to build and operate a new airport terminal, so something like a reactor would be well beyond its capabilities.

I used to have a Chinese copy Harley, which meant if you looked at it from 50 meters and squinted a little it slightly resembled a Harley. I gave it up a couple of years ago, figuring I was just too old to risk the insanity of the other drivers here and opted instead for the protection of a larger vehicle. I'm not sorry I made the decision.

GE

[GoodEnough]

I have heard two statements this week, on two separate occasions, that I think-if not perfect metaphors for the country-are at the very least insightful, and lend some understanding to this place.

The first occurred while I was eating lunch with some colleagues: the same colleagues with whom I eat lunch almost every day, at Spirale, in Damosa Gate. The four of us were trying to engage in some conversation with each other, but were largely prevented from doing so by three women, none of them particularly young, sitting at an adjacent table, and literally shreiking with laughter throughout their-and our-meal. They were so loud, and so oblivious to the discomfort they were causing to all other diners, that it was a wonder to behold. At some point during our abortive attempts to be heard, my friend who was sitting next to me remarked: "I'm so tired of living in a country of fifteen year olds," and I thought that the characterization of large portions of the population as eternally adolescent was accurate and perfect for its assumption of lack of impulse control, emotional immaturity and under-developed ability to think reflectively or, some may argue, to think much at all.

The second event occurred today. I was at Chardin tailors, to pick up a sports jacket and some slacks. It's the third time I've been back for these items. The last time I finally made them realize that the jacket was so small, there was no way to alter it and it would have to be remade. When I got there, the jacket needed some minor adjustments, but overall it was fine (having been re-made once.) The pants, made of a lovely cashmere blend, were so badly tailored, with the pleats misplaced, that I told the owner I wouldn't take them, and wouldn't return. Then I asked her why, since her cutters and sewers made so many mistakes that, in my case at least, cost her a lot of money, she didn't just fire them after the 6th or 7th costly error. Her response?"Sir, what do you expect? This is a third world country." In other words one shouldn't have high expectations, and should accept inferior work products. It occurred to me that most Filipinos probably accept the lowered expectations that are concomitant with third world country status, thus dooming the place forever to third world country status in a self-perpetuating, self-justifying cycle.

So, there you go, a third world country inhabited by perpetual adolescents: two rather good metaphors for the state of the Philippines that might help explain to all of us why it is how it is.

GE

[Lustforthrust]

.and under-developed ability to think reflectively or, some may argue, to think much at all.Mind is a terrible thing.

[X Man]

I didn't know this, truly frightening. WHere is this incompleted reactor?

I understand there are / were safer ways of generating nuclear power. Molten salt something or other. Apparently rejected because they didn't provide fuel for those little nuke bombs that used to be so important. But this is the world we live in. X.


LIttle danger of nuclear fallout here X. The only reactor in the country was built more than 20 years ago at a cost of tens of millions of dollars, and has never generated a single kilowatt of electricity, though the government spent years paying off the loans used to finance the project. Just as well, since relying on the government here to maintain nuclear generating facilities would be a sure recipe for disaster. Remember, that this is the country that can't figure out how to build and operate a new airport terminal, so something like a reactor would be well beyond its capabilities.

I used to have a Chinese copy Harley, which meant if you looked at it from 50 meters and squinted a little it slightly resembled a Harley. I gave it up a couple of years ago, figuring I was just too old to risk the insanity of the other drivers here and opted instead for the protection of a larger vehicle. I'm not sorry I made the decision.

GE

[WestCoast1]

Then I asked her why, since her cutters and sewers made so many mistakes that, in my case at least, cost her a lot of money, she didn't just fire them after the 6th or 7th costly error. Her response?"Sir, what do you expect? This is a third world country." In other words one shouldn't have high expectations, and should accept inferior work products. It occurred to me that most Filipinos probably accept the lowered expectations that are concomitant with third world country status, thus dooming the place forever to third world country status in a self-perpetuating, self-justifying cycle.

GELowered expectations. Right on the money. The first time I took a PAL flight from the US west coast to Manila, I was the only kano on a full 747. From the long line of pilipinos checking in with boxes (I was the only human being in line at the time with real luggage) , witnessing the slow / underperforming check-in counter clerks, the slow / underperforming flight attendants ("What's that sir? This is the fourth time you asked for some water? Oh yes, I remember now.") , I remember thinking: Am I the only one who notices how slow / inept the employees are? Little did I know that the following two items are part of many people's lives:

1. Slow / poor service (if at all) , and.

2. An acceptance of this slow / poor service by everyone else.

Another airline example: If you have ever been in the old Cebu-Pacific office at the Manila domestic side, where they have the chairs in the waiting area with the call-slip numbers. Watching the 6-8 counter clerks walking around, doing what appears to be nothing, while 50 customers sit idly by for an hour or two, with narry a handful of numbers being called, can be a nightmare, especially if you had to catch a flight and were making a change in itinerary or paying for the change. Yet, nobody complains, and the employees walk about like everything is hunky-dory great day. I'm not quite sure what the employees are doing (maybe 15 of them) , but they are not serving the customers.

GE's tailor's quote of "What do you expect? This is a third world country," was echoed back to me by a hotel manager. She said it this way: "You foreigner expect all things now. Its just not our way." There are many hard-working pilipino: cabbies, factory workers, farmers, etc. But I find that many people in the service industry, which caters to both pilipino and foreigners, are woefully lacking in the "customer-comes-first" ethic.

[Bloomberg]

Lowered expectations. Right on the money. The first time I took a PAL flight from the US west coast to Manila, I was the only kano on a full 747. From the long line of pilipinos checking in with boxes (I was the only human being in line at the time with real luggage) , witnessing the slow / underperforming check-in counter clerks, the slow / underperforming flight attendants ("What's that sir? This is the fourth time you asked for some water? Oh yes, I remember now.") , I remember thinking: Am I the only one who notices how slow / inept the employees are? Little did I know that the following two items are part of many people's lives:

1. Slow / poor service (if at all) , and.

2. An acceptance of this slow / poor service by everyone else.

Another airline example: If you have ever been in the old Cebu-Pacific office at the Manila domestic side, where they have the chairs in the waiting area with the call-slip numbers. Watching the 6-8 counter clerks walking around, doing what appears to be nothing, while 50 customers sit idly by for an hour or two, with narry a handful of numbers being called, can be a nightmare, especially if you had to catch a flight and were making a change in itinerary or paying for the change. Yet, nobody complains, and the employees walk about like everything is hunky-dory great day. I'm not quite sure what the employees are doing (maybe 15 of them) , but they are not serving the customers.

GE's tailor's quote of "What do you expect? This is a third world country," was echoed back to me by a hotel manager. She said it this way: "You foreigner expect all things now. Its just not our way." There are many hard-working pilipino: cabbies, factory workers, farmers, etc. But I find that many people in the service industry, which caters to both pilipino and foreigners, are woefully lacking in the "customer-comes-first" ethic.Lack of service is something you have to get used to if you want to enjoy your time in the Philippines. Airports, immigration offices, and also quite a few of the hotels I used so far are definitely worse when it comes to service compared to for instance Thailand. The abundance of young hot willing girls who also speak English compensates for this which makes Philippines the best country I visited yet. After being here for 6 weeks now I am getting used to the pace and start to actually enjoy it when I see some other foreigner getting pissed when it doesn't go his way. Just relax and enjoy this country, and make sure you don't get yourself in real trouble. After that you can go back to the "first-world" and enjoy the benefits there.

If native people keep their expectations low here, we can enjoy some nice time here for a very reasonable price.

[Member #4491]

so, there you go, a third world country inhabited by perpetual adolescents: two rather good metaphors for the state of the philippines that might help explain to all of us why it is how it is.

gefunny you write about this now ge. i have had this theory for some time about different mental stages of (the philippino) people i have had the fortune to interact with. me and my friend (you know who) spent a great deal of time discussing this during our last visit to davao. it is not so politically correct to do research on, or even talk about, differences in physical development between various groups of humans and i have no clue or guess about nature versus nurture in this particular question, but would be highly interested in reference studies if anyone knows where to find it.

take it for what it is, partly joke and partly an initial observations of a pattern i seem to have noticed, but the three mental stages i believe to have observed i choose to call those of a child, an adolescent and an adult. what a surprise, isn't it? these definitions are separated from the physical development, and even if i hope that it is totally obvious i still want to state that we are talking about individuals of age 18 year or more. one can apply this to anyone in society, but it can be fruitful to think about chasing punani to understand the idea.

the adult.

adults are not that many, at least in davao. these individuals are responsive, responsible and realistic. you will feel like you could have been talking to this person anywhere in the world. most often these individuals will be a pleasant surprise for mongers that learned to expect little and be happy for the simplest of conversations while indulging in yet another carbohydrate bomb. being a realist with a certain amount of life experience, the adult will actively choose to oversee certain flaws in you, and let you please her in ways she needs to be pleased. sex will most often be slightly inhibited, but pleasurable and free from transactions, guilt and shallow qualifiers.

the adolescent.

the adolescent individual can make you feel young and alive, but she is unpredictable. most people i meet in the philippines, both in private and in the line of my work, belong to this group. qualifications, symbolism and a somewhat prideful ego are normally a part of the adolescent individuals world, but the effects of these are random. one could for example see a continuous flow of a rather predictable behavior or performance, only to be struck by what seems to be an unpredictable change or error. the same pattern goes for mood and changes in this. the adolescent individual will never question the group, no matter how irrational or stupid it behaves. this is likely the largest group of individuals in the adult part of the philippines, so you will meet them frequently in clubs, parks, eateries, etc. it can be a challenge to qualify if the girl is pretty and / or financially stable, but she is normally both material and vain, and will spread her legs for consumption. a standard answer, cunningly used to probe your intentions in any situation will be "it is up to you".

a key for me to understand these adolescent individuals is to think about the "as if-world". when used correctly this way of thinking will in fact be a very powerful tool. a simple practical example of an "as if" would be to meet the the adolescent individual for a ice cream on your way back from work. after a brief meeting you go home alone and pick up your andros, and then you meet her again. you have now erased the imaginative threshold that stipulates that there can be no sex on the first date. it is important for her image to follow rules like this, so we pretend as if we are observing protocol. another example is to answer a question by simply just asking another question in the returning text message. we pretend as if we answer, but we are in fact voiding all responsibility to answer the first question by asking a second.

the adolescent individual will normally always be looking for a (better) job and will normally never manage to answer to more than one question in any context. she will always have a somewhat plausible excuse for being late, but you will both know that she is just using a standard template excuse, pretending as if it was impossible for her to affect the parameters that caused her delay.

the child.

the child individual is lively, random and can be quite funny to hang out with, at least the first minutes. she makes errors that seems unsystematic at best. her ability to extrapolate and avoid similar errors are close to zero. she will reply to 90% of your questions with a "huh". her excuses for coming late are most often to absurd to even have an opinion about. her status is normally "in school" or "i don't know, oi". she will find it hilarious if you say "pagsureoi" and her immediate comment to seeing your wad of 1000 php bills will be "you are handsome". setting out for any form of intelligent conversation with this group of individuals is bound for disaster. sex is as dramatic as eating an egg and she will most often enjoy it in a natural and unpretentious way. after the act she will immediately start to brush her hair and she will say "look i am peeing" when she [CodeWord133] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133) in the shower over barba's feet.

b.

[Bloomberg]

funny you write about this now ge. i have had this theory for some time about different mental stages of (the philippino) people i have had the fortune to interact with. me and my friend (you know who) spent a great deal of time discussing this during our last visit to davao. it is not so politically correct to do research on, or even talk about, differences in physical development between various groups of humans and i have no clue or guess about nature versus nurture in this particular question, but would be highly interested in reference studies if anyone knows where to find it.

take it for what it is, partly joke and partly an initial observations of a pattern i seem to have noticed, but the three mental stages i believe to have observed i choose to call those of a child, an adolescent and an adult. what a surprise, isn't it? these definitions are separated from the physical development, and even if i hope that it is totally obvious i still want to state that we are talking about individuals of age 18 year or more. one can apply this to anyone in society, but it can be fruitful to think about chasing punani to understand the idea.

the adult.

adults are not that many, at least in davao. these individuals are responsive, responsible and realistic. you will feel like you could have been talking to this person anywhere in the world. most often these individuals will be a pleasant surprise for mongers that learned to expect little and be happy for the simplest of conversations while indulging in yet another carbohydrate bomb. being a realist with a certain amount of life experience, the adult will actively choose to oversee certain flaws in you, and let you please her in ways she needs to be pleased. sex will most often be slightly inhibited, but pleasurable and free from transactions, guilt and shallow qualifiers.

the adolescent.

the adolescent individual can make you feel young and alive, but she is unpredictable. most people i meet in the philippines, both in private and in the line of my work, belong to this group. qualifications, symbolism and a somewhat prideful ego are normally a part of the adolescent individuals world, but the effects of these are random. one could for example see a continuous flow of a rather predictable behavior or performance, only to be struck by what seems to be an unpredictable change or error. the same pattern goes for mood and changes in this. the adolescent individual will never question the group, no matter how irrational or stupid it behaves. this is likely the largest group of individuals in the adult part of the philippines, so you will meet them frequently in clubs, parks, eateries, etc. it can be a challenge to qualify if the girl is pretty and / or financially stable, but she is normally both material and vain, and will spread her legs for consumption. a standard answer, cunningly used to probe your intentions in any situation will be "it is up to you".

a key for me to understand these adolescent individuals is to think about the "as if-world". when used correctly this way of thinking will in fact be a very powerful tool. a simple practical example of an "as if" would be to meet the the adolescent individual for a ice cream on your way back from work. after a brief meeting you go home alone and pick up your andros, and then you meet her again. you have now erased the imaginative threshold that stipulates that there can be no sex on the first date. it is important for her image to follow rules like this, so we pretend as if we are observing protocol. another example is to answer a question by simply just asking another question in the returning text message. we pretend as if we answer, but we are in fact voiding all responsibility to answer the first question by asking a second.

the adolescent individual will normally always be looking for a (better) job and will normally never manage to answer to more than one question in any context. she will always have a somewhat plausible excuse for being late, but you will both know that she is just using a standard template excuse, pretending as if it was impossible for her to affect the parameters that caused her delay.

the child.

the child individual is lively, random and can be quite funny to hang out with, at least the first minutes. she makes errors that seems unsystematic at best. her ability to extrapolate and avoid similar errors are close to zero. she will reply to 90% of your questions with a "huh". her excuses for coming late are most often to absurd to even have an opinion about. her status is normally "in school" or "i don't know, oi". she will find it hilarious if you say "pagsureoi" and her immediate comment to seeing your wad of 1000 php bills will be "you are handsome". setting out for any form of intelligent conversation with this group of individuals is bound for disaster. sex is as dramatic as eating an egg and she will most often enjoy it in a natural and unpretentious way. after the act she will immediately start to brush her hair and she will say "look i am peeing" when she [CodeWord133] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133) in the shower over barba's feet.

b.great post!

after being in the philippines for about 6 weeks now, i am still surprised about the number of girls i meet who seem to live in a completely different world. answering a simple question, following some easy instructions about where to meet etc, with some of them it just seems to be impossible.

coming weeks i plan to visit davao and cagayan de oro, so far i was in manila, cebu, ormoc, dumaguete and iloilo. so far so good, every day is a new adventure here. my favorites are the smaller places, i just love the girls from the provinces. but i learned to check the weather forecast before traveling. from experience i can tell now that even if you can see the other side of the water, spending an hour on a ferry here with heavy winds is not for office nerds like me.

[Member #4491]

As promised after all the talks about what to pay and what to tip, I reduced the tipping and payment itself as well. Guess what, the girls still look happy and come back for seconds. They even bring friends. And some of the teens just come and hang out and fuck me for fun and not a penny change owner. Still I see happiness. In fact it seems like I sort out a certain type of girls by not accepting anything more than 1000 PHP for a meeting. The type I see less of is the money hungry "I want more"-personalities, and they are always just a waste of precious cum anyway. 500-1000 PHP is just fine, and then taxi money that actually reflects the level of the fare and a meal.

The gf:s are still overpaid in one occasion and then not paid at all for a while, but this is a different category of girls. Al the guys who never meet a girl that are not available "on the market" for some cash, need to rethink how and where they recruit babes. With some self control, some standards, some kindness and a smile, you will for sure have one of the prettiest teenage girls in the neighborhood at your table and on your face later. Only a bitter cynic will think that money is the only reward in life, even for a poor teenage pinay.

With regards to Davao, I think it is even more of a non pro or semi pro scene today than 2010, or at least there are less pros visible on the streets, and the quality in the bars seem lower. I met two decent looking American guys in Marco who where not prepared and they complained that they could not "get lucky". Even the girls at Hot Legs had slipped them fake phone numbers. Poor guys swimming alone in the pool of their ivory tower. .

Claiming that luck is needed in Davao is a bit far fetched in my opinion, but if you are going and like young and pretty girls, you should make sure you have a list and plan your sexual encounters. Day time fun for the more innocent schoolgirls and night time fun for the more experienced girls. Be prepared to go home from the bar at 1 AM or 2 AM at the best. See my previous posts for where to go, but expect to be quite alone except for Fridays and Saturdays. The malls are still packed with sales girls and these are quite often poor or semi poor and open for dating, that is if you can find someone that you consider pretty enough. Single mothers are, as most of us realized by now, always a safe bet if you can live with the physical downside. I will of course not back away from a super tight cherry, but there is something to be said for mothers bending their back in a deep inviting doggy-style arch.

Every time I leave Davao I feel slightly dissatisfied over those mornings that I did not manage to text someone in to cure me from standing on my head to take a morning [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). These mornings I want to be in Cebu, Pattaya or somewhere more commercialized. And then when I pick up little miss Calinan and head out on Samal on the bike, I realize that the two worlds never can meet in one place. If you get the chance, make the ride / drive to your female friends provincial home. It is a great experience and you will get to try sun ripe, sweet fruit that perhaps is the best you will ever taste.

Beam me up, Scotty.

B.

[Robbaf]

I have heard two statements this week, on two separate occasions, that I think-if not perfect metaphors for the country-are at the very least insightful, and lend some understanding to this place.

Her response?"Sir, what do you expect? This is a third world country." In other words one shouldn't have high expectations, and should accept inferior work products. It occurred to me that most Filipinos probably accept the lowered expectations that are concomitant with third world country status, thus dooming the place forever to third world country status in a self-perpetuating, self-justifying cycle.

So, there you go, a third world country inhabited by perpetual adolescents: two rather good metaphors for the state of the Philippines that might help explain to all of us why it is how it is.

GEThis is from yesterday's Philippine Daily Inquirer's columnist: "As I See It":

"Last September, I wrote about a drowning incident at a resort in Puerto Princesa, Palawan. A group of vacationists staying at the resort went swimming but was carried away by a strong undertow. One of them, a mother, Ma. Cecily de Guzman, drowned. She is a member of a family of doctors. On the way to the hospital 80 kilometers away, three of her doctor-relatives tried to revive her, but she was declared dead in the hospital.

The family sued the resort for negligence—not having a lifeguard on duty, not having life-saving equipment in the ambulance, and not having warning signs about the undertow in the resort.

Recently, I received a letter from the owners of the resort, Sheridan Beach Resort and Spa, explaining their side and disowning responsibility."

His reply in the column: "Meanwhile, the Department of Tourism and local government units, and especially the owners of beach resorts, should take special pains to see to it that vacationists are properly warned about, and understand, the dangers. They should have lifeguards and boatmen on standby at all times. When the undertow is strong, beaches should be closed.

We can't expect beach resort owners to do this faithfully at all times because it costs money, So the DOT and the LGUs should see to it that the rules are followed.

We can avoid many tragedies and save many lives, as well as many families from grief, by being more vigilant, more careful and more caring."

http://opinion.inquirer.net/16413/drowning-incident-in-palawan

(complete column)

Robb

[GoodEnough]

Thanks for the responses to my post on perpetual adolescence. I guess I struck a responsive chord in some of the guys who live here or who come here frequently.

The inefficiency, or perhaps the lack of rationality in consumer services here may stem from an inability, on the part of those developing these systems, to think things through. I was reflecting on this during the approximately 90 minutes it took me during the long weekend past, to purchase a simple television. Buying and leaving with the TV set took longer, far longer, than selecting the TV. There was so much paperwork, so many rules to follow, such incredible inefficiency built into what should have been a simple transaction, that I almost said "the hell with it" and walked out. I was almost vibrating with frustration toward the end of the deal before it occurred to me-and not for the first time during my stay here-that the 5 or 6 people involved with the transaction had no idea of why they were doing whatever they were doing. They were just following the rules, without question and without understanding. It also occurred to me that while in the US and Europe, due to a market orientation and competition, retailers try to make it as easy as possible for consumers to spend their money lest they leave and take their business to any one of numerous competitors. Here, the transactional framework is designed (assuming there's any forethought) to prevent anyone from stealing; this explains why shopping is such a wretched experience here and to be avoided whenever possible.

GE

[X Man]

I feal your pain. I remember once at an aiport I checked in and then hit the line for airport tax. With my boarding pass and passport in hand. Paid the tax, put the change in my wallet, put my documents into an easily accessible pocket on my carry one, patted my pocket to make sure the wallet was still there. Slung the bag back onto my shoulder. It was heavy with laptop and SLR. I walked two meters, turned a corner and then there is another counter asking for the receipt for my airport tax. Huh? Slung the bag down and start digging around, but the receipt wasn't with my boarding pass. I finally found the damn receipt in my wallet.

GE, I can think of one more reason for this kind of inefficiency. It employs people in a country where lots of people are looking for jobs. Keep that thought in mind and try not to blow a gasket.

X


SNIP.

Here, the transactional framework is designed (assuming there's any forethought) to prevent anyone from stealing; this explains why shopping is such a wretched experience here and to be avoided whenever possible.

GE

[Red Kilt]

. Here, the transactional framework is designed (assuming there's any forethought) to prevent anyone from stealing; this explains why shopping is such a wretched experience here and to be avoided whenever possible.This is the key sentence in GE's unfortunate experience that sums up most of the trials and tribulations that we experience. Almost everything is designed to stop stealing. All those security guards in front of almost every shop (including clothing stores, supermarkets etc) are there mainly to stop the employees From stealing when they go out on breaks etc.

When we design new assistance projects for the Phils, we spend a lot of time working out ways to stop pilfering and corruption avenues.

XMan. Even the collecting of receipts at a second checkpoint has a similar motive. Of course, it also helps keep people employed, even if the "salary" is miniscule.

[Brymor]

I was queueing to pay for a couple of books at the National Bookstore in Ayalla Cebu a couple of months ago with about four people ahead of me. The person at the head of the queue was involved in a whispered discussion with the cashier who had two other cashiers by her side, clearly all of them completely engrossed and intent on sorting out whatever problem this customer had encountered.

The queue behind me built up over ten minutes, until it was snaking out towards the entrance yet all the cashiers seemed intent on concentrating on this one customer to the detriment of everyone else. After about fifteen minutes I walked over to the till and trying hard to remain calm, I asked the cashiers why at least one of them could not open up a new till and take some pressure off the ever increasing queue. They obviously thought I was being impertinent, gave me a withering look and one of them just said the usual catch all phrase I get so sick of hearing in the Philippines...... " I am sorry Sir".

They then resumed their discussions as though I was invisible and having had enough, I slapped the books down on the counter and walked out. It is one of scores of frustrating encounters I have had in shops and other retail outlets in the Philippines and when I look back now and smile about what happened I realise that it is just the way things are, and we will never change it. But when you are actually there and actually on the receiving end of poor customer service and idiotic rules, it is hard not to get angry. I don't have high blood pressure but could imagine it going through the roof after a few months of living there!

[Red Kilt]

. SNIP.

They then resumed their discussions as though I was invisible and having had enough, I slapped the books down on the counter and walked out. It is one of scores of frustrating encounters I have had in shops and other retail outlets in the Philippines and when I look back now and smile about what happened I realise that it is just the way things are, and we will never change it. But when you are actually there and actually on the receiving end of poor customer service and idiotic rules, it is hard not to get angry. I don't have high blood pressure but could imagine it going through the roof after a few months of living there!Mort.

Your experience is so very typical of mine after 14 years of living here. I have lost count of the number of times that I have done exactly as you did. Just leave the goods on the counter and walk out.

Bookstores, sport shops, pharmacies etc etc.

I usually tell the guard as I leave what is the problem. These guys are often quite loyal store employees and they wield a deal of "power" too and I have found on a couple of occasions that they have actually done something about the issue.

I agree that it is essential to take a few deep breaths and try to keep from screaming and yelling. So far my BP is very normal, so I must be compensating in the right way.

[Brymor]

Mort.

Your experience is so very typical of mine after 14 years of living here. I have lost count of the number of times that I have done exactly as you did. Just leave the goods on the counter and walk out.

Bookstores, sport shops, pharmacies etc etc.

I usually tell the guard as I leave what is the problem. These guys are often quite loyal store employees and they wield a deal of "power" too and I have found on a couple of occasions that they have actually done something about the issue.

I agree that it is essential to take a few deep breaths and try to keep from screaming and yelling. So far my BP is very normal, so I must be compensating in the right way.Well RK 14 years is a very long time to put up with poor service, bad food, lack of infrastructure, incompetent employees, traffic jams and god knows what else. I wonder what on earth you find interesting there?

:-)

[Slippery]

Mort.

Your experience is so very typical of mine after 14 years of living here. I have lost count of the number of times that I have done exactly as you did. Just leave the goods on the counter and walk out.

Bookstores, sport shops, pharmacies etc etc.

I usually tell the guard as I leave what is the problem. These guys are often quite loyal store employees and they wield a deal of "power" too and I have found on a couple of occasions that they have actually done something about the issue.

I agree that it is essential to take a few deep breaths and try to keep from screaming and yelling. So far my BP is very normal, so I must be compensating in the right way.I'll never forget the time I was at Robinsons and needed reading glasses. I couldn't read the magnification of the glasses without using one of the pairs of glasses on the rack. I took a pair and put them on to find 1. 25. When I found the 1. 25 the sales person said I had to buy both pairs because I used one pair. I placed both pairs on a counter and left.

[Red Kilt]

Well RK 14 years is a very long time to put up with poor service, bad food, lack of infrastructure, incompetent employees, traffic jams and god knows what else. I wonder what on earth you find interesting there?Hahaha a full-time professional job with a foreign dollar salary Mort. I came here in 1997 for 3 months and was asked to stay.

I don't regret it.

Seriously, if you live in Makati or Ortigas Center (like I do) and don't read the local papers or watch the local TV news it really is a great place to live. Modern city, with, for me. 4 large malls within an easy stroll.

Everything here, particularly food and drink, is so much cheaper, and the stuff about which we speak here that irritates us is, at the end of the day, fairly trivial anyway.

I am here for the long haul.

One compensation is that I periodically get short assignments in Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia and Mongolia so that helps me adjust my expectations too.

[Brymor]

Hahaha a full-time professional job with a foreign dollar salary Mort. I came here in 1997 for 3 months and was asked to stay.

I don't regret it.RK

I was trying to be ironic in a British dry humoured sense of way! If I could find a job there with even a half decent salary I would have my bags packed and be on the next flight out of here.

[DriveAllNight]

hilarious. i'll often chat with a random filipino and find they're not much different from someone i went to grad school with, but then find that the person working right next to them has the mind of someone who's been smoking weed all day since age 5.

a very accurate description of those i've interacted with in rp. still chuckling here. nice one, b.


funny you write about this now ge. i have had this theory for some time about different mental stages of (the philippino) people i have had the fortune to interact with. me and my friend (you know who) spent a great deal of time discussing this during our last visit to davao. it is not so politically correct to do research on, or even talk about, differences in physical development between various groups of humans and i have no clue or guess about nature versus nurture in this particular question, but would be highly interested in reference studies if anyone knows where to find it.

take it for what it is, partly joke and partly an initial observations of a pattern i seem to have noticed, but the three mental stages i believe to have observed i choose to call those of a child, an adolescent and an adult. what a surprise, isn't it? these definitions are separated from the physical development, and even if i hope that it is totally obvious i still want to state that we are talking about individuals of age 18 year or more. one can apply this to anyone in society, but it can be fruitful to think about chasing punani to understand the idea.

the adult.

adults are not that many, at least in davao. these individuals are responsive, responsible and realistic. you will feel like you could have been talking to this person anywhere in the world. most often these individuals will be a pleasant surprise for mongers that learned to expect little and be happy for the simplest of conversations while indulging in yet another carbohydrate bomb. being a realist with a certain amount of life experience, the adult will actively choose to oversee certain flaws in you, and let you please her in ways she needs to be pleased. sex will most often be slightly inhibited, but pleasurable and free from transactions, guilt and shallow qualifiers.

the adolescent.

the adolescent individual can make you feel young and alive, but she is unpredictable. most people i meet in the philippines, both in private and in the line of my work, belong to this group. qualifications, symbolism and a somewhat prideful ego are normally a part of the adolescent individuals world, but the effects of these are random. one could for example see a continuous flow of a rather predictable behavior or performance, only to be struck by what seems to be an unpredictable change or error. the same pattern goes for mood and changes in this. the adolescent individual will never question the group, no matter how irrational or stupid it behaves. this is likely the largest group of individuals in the adult part of the philippines, so you will meet them frequently in clubs, parks, eateries, etc. it can be a challenge to qualify if the girl is pretty and / or financially stable, but she is normally both material and vain, and will spread her legs for consumption. a standard answer, cunningly used to probe your intentions in any situation will be "it is up to you".

a key for me to understand these adolescent individuals is to think about the "as if-world". when used correctly this way of thinking will in fact be a very powerful tool. a simple practical example of an "as if" would be to meet the the adolescent individual for a ice cream on your way back from work. after a brief meeting you go home alone and pick up your andros, and then you meet her again. you have now erased the imaginative threshold that stipulates that there can be no sex on the first date. it is important for her image to follow rules like this, so we pretend as if we are observing protocol. another example is to answer a question by simply just asking another question in the returning text message. we pretend as if we answer, but we are in fact voiding all responsibility to answer the first question by asking a second.

the adolescent individual will normally always be looking for a (better) job and will normally never manage to answer to more than one question in any context. she will always have a somewhat plausible excuse for being late, but you will both know that she is just using a standard template excuse, pretending as if it was impossible for her to affect the parameters that caused her delay.

the child.

the child individual is lively, random and can be quite funny to hang out with, at least the first minutes. she makes errors that seems unsystematic at best. her ability to extrapolate and avoid similar errors are close to zero. she will reply to 90% of your questions with a "huh". her excuses for coming late are most often to absurd to even have an opinion about. her status is normally "in school" or "i don't know, oi". she will find it hilarious if you say "pagsureoi" and her immediate comment to seeing your wad of 1000 php bills will be "you are handsome". setting out for any form of intelligent conversation with this group of individuals is bound for disaster. sex is as dramatic as eating an egg and she will most often enjoy it in a natural and unpretentious way. after the act she will immediately start to brush her hair and she will say "look i am peeing" when she [CodeWord133] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133) in the shower over barba's feet.

b.

[Member #4491]

Hehe glad I amused someone, Driveallnight. Try the sentence we PM:ed about. Local slang makes wonders for quick bonding.

Are any of you guys planning to stay in Davao during Christmas and new year? Or are perhaps some of the "natives" here planning to leave Davao? Feel free to PM me if you do not wish to disclose your seedy whereabouts during these Christian holidays.

B.

[GoodEnough]

Hahaha a full-time professional job with a foreign dollar salary Mort. I came here in 1997 for 3 months and was asked to stay.

I don't regret it.

Seriously, if you live in Makati or Ortigas Center (like I do) and don't read the local papers or watch the local TV news it really is a great place to live. Modern city, with, for me. 4 large malls within an easy stroll.

Everything here, particularly food and drink, is so much cheaper, and the stuff about which we speak here that irritates us is, at the end of the day, fairly trivial anyway.

I am here for the long haul.

One compensation is that I periodically get short assignments in Laos, Thailand, Cambodia, Indonesia and Mongolia so that helps me adjust my expectations too.I complain as much as anyone, and often to my friend RK, about the lousy service, poor infrastructure, corruption, etc, but now I'm going back to the US for a week, for only the second time in 8 years, and I wonder how long it will take me to start missing the general chaos of life here. I have lived overseas for about 25 years, and if I've learned nothing else, it's that Wolfe was right; you can't go home again. Stay away from your place of birth for long enough, and the bizarre seems normal. I have a good friend and colleague who has lived here far longer than I, and who often says, when we discuss the upside of living here,"Civilians just don't understand." He's right.

GE

[Robbaf]

Another great "Only in the Philippines" story. I went to Boracay this past weekend for four days. My first trip and I choose the resort based on beach access and nice room. I booked a beach front, garden view, king size bed at the Sea Wind Resort on Station 1 on Adoga. Com after 6 hours of searching for $170 a night. Got to the resort Saturday at 5 pm and while checking in the clerk states "Checkout time is 11 am and check in time is 2 pm, if you want housekeeping". I asked him to repeat and he did. So then I asked if we had to check out each day by 11 and come back at 2 to get room cleaned. I got the deer in the headlights look. He finally realized that we only check in once.

So he gives me room 33 and a bell hop grabs the bags and we head to the room. As soon as we hit the second floor and kept going up the stairs I knew there was a problem. My garden view, king size bed has turned into a small full size bed and view of nothing on the third floor. I stated this is a mistake, as I reserved a villa and told him let's go back to the reception desk. Sure as shit, I am told "Sorry sir, rooms are given upon arrival and it is first come, first served and your room is already gone!". Long story short, Adoga was amazed when I called them and offered to move me to another resort, but It was pouring rain and I did not want to move, so I got a partial refund.

Robb

[X Man]

I'd give the front desk guy a pass, maybe he was at the end of a long shift. It's hard to believe mgmt would fk around with high-end customers, not to mention Agoda. Can you tell us the hotel name?

I've been to Borocay once and it is beautiful, but I'm in no hurry to go again. It's a bit crowded, commercialized, expensive and it rains a lot.

X


Another great "Only in the Philippines" story. I went to Boracay this past weekend for four days. My first trip and I choose the resort based on beach access and nice room. I booked a beach front, garden view, king size bed at the Sea Wind Resort on Station 1 on Adoga. Com after 6 hours of searching for $170 a night. Got to the resort Saturday at 5 pm and while checking in the clerk states "Checkout time is 11 am and check in time is 2 pm, if you want housekeeping". I asked him to repeat and he did. So then I asked if we had to check out each day by 11 and come back at 2 to get room cleaned. I got the deer in the headlights look. He finally realized that we only check in once.

So he gives me room 33 and a bell hop grabs the bags and we head to the room. As soon as we hit the second floor and kept going up the stairs I knew there was a problem. My garden view, king size bed has turned into a small full size bed and view of nothing on the third floor. I stated this is a mistake, as I reserved a villa and told him let's go back to the reception desk. Sure as shit, I am told "Sorry sir, rooms are given upon arrival and it is first come, first served and your room is already gone!". Long story short, Adoga was amazed when I called them and offered to move me to another resort, but It was pouring rain and I did not want to move, so I got a partial refund.

Robb

[GoodEnough]

I guess the term "effective management" is pretty much of an oxymoron in the land of the perpetually bewildered. I'm writing this from a nice hotel in Los Angeles, where the service has been excellent, the food warm and tasty, and where my reservations were honored exactly as I had made them. It's nice, every once and a while, to get back, if only to remind myself that there are alternate realities to the Philippines. I'm always somewhat fearful, when I come back here, that I it will take me a day or two to radust to driving in a country in which traffic laws are actually enforced, but thankfully such has not been the case. The downside of course is that everything costs four times as much and then there's the fact that the supply of willing, nubile young things is no-existent. I guess there's no place on earth that has it all.

GE

[Robbaf]

I'd give the front desk guy a pass, maybe he was at the end of a long shift. It's hard to believe mgmt would fk around with high-end customers, not to mention Agoda. Can you tell us the hotel name?

I've been to Borocay once and it is beautiful, but I'm in no hurry to go again. It's a bit crowded, commercialized, expensive and it rains a lot.

XX I did, Sea Wind Resort. I was also told it is local owned and from the food served on the buffets, I understand.

It is beautiful. Picture is last Sunday night at sunset.

Robb

[Bumz Rush]

I expect to be in Davao, early next year, and as a regular to Manila and Living in Dubai, I appreciate the finer things in life.

Most of the recent posts here are bitching posts and do not appear to encourage the purpose of our trips to PR.

So: can any brothers recomend suitable young ladies for entertainment.

Are any of the upmarket hotels NON girl friendly.

Many thanks Bumz

[Member #4491]

I expect to be in Davao, early next year, and as a regular to Manila and Living in Dubai, I appreciate the finer things in life.

Most of the recent posts here are bitching posts and do not appear to encourage the purpose of our trips to PR.

So: can any brothers recomend suitable young ladies for entertainment.

Are any of the upmarket hotels NON girl friendly.

Many thanks BumzAll hotels are girl friendly.

It is not hard to find girls, if you just apply the techniques I shared here several times.

PM me what your preferences are, and maybe I have some friend that can entertain you.

Call me a perv, but I like pregnant girls sometimes in between. Any references for early next year, anyone?

If you have the urge to ***** at me for this fetish. Save it or try it.

Barba

[GoodEnough]

I expect to be in Davao, early next year, and as a regular to Manila and Living in Dubai, I appreciate the finer things in life.

Most of the recent posts here are bitching posts and do not appear to encourage the purpose of our trips to PR.

So: can any brothers recomend suitable young ladies for entertainment.

Are any of the upmarket hotels NON girl friendly.

Many thanks BumzAll of the hotels are, as far as I know girl friendly. As to the "ladies for entertainment" I suggest you read back through some of Barba's excellent ruminations on this subject. As I've said many times before, there's a lot to recommend Davao as a place to live. However if your primary purpose in going there is to find young women you're probably better off elsewhere.

[Questor55]

All of the hotels are, as far as I know girl friendly. As to the "ladies for entertainment" I suggest you read back through some of Barba's excellent ruminations on this subject. As I've said many times before, there's a lot to recommend Davao as a place to live. However if your primary purpose in going there is to find young women you're probably better off elsewhere.I would second GE's assessment regarding the girls of Davao. It's not like Angeles or Manila, but is similar to Cebu at a much.

Slower pace. However, if you have both time and game, there are lots of lovely girls in Davao. You might want to contact some prospects on DIA.

Maybe search for ones in outlying towns such as Tagum, Panabo, and Digos. If they come to Davao to meet you, they are more likely to remain.

The night, as returning to those towns later at night is somewhat difficult. So, if you like the girl, string out the evening. If not, send her back.

Home early.

[FreebieFan]

Another great "Only in the Philippines" story. I went to Boracay this past weekend for four days. My first trip and I choose the resort based on beach access and nice room. I booked a beach front, garden view, king size bed at the Sea Wind Resort on Station 1 on Adoga. Com after 6 hours of searching for $170 a night. Got to the resort Saturday at 5 pm and while checking in the clerk states "Checkout time is 11 am and check in time is 2 pm, if you want housekeeping". I asked him to repeat and he did. So then I asked if we had to check out each day by 11 and come back at 2 to get room cleaned. I got the deer in the headlights look. He finally realized that we only check in once.

So he gives me room 33 and a bell hop grabs the bags and we head to the room. As soon as we hit the second floor and kept going up the stairs I knew there was a problem. My garden view, king size bed has turned into a small full size bed and view of nothing on the third floor. I stated this is a mistake, as I reserved a villa and told him let's go back to the reception desk. RobbIf only such stories were "only in the Philippines" would make the rest of the world a more pleasant place to travel. Was in England last week in a small provincial town. Checked into a totally overpriced hotel where the staff were basically non existent when you needed them.

Walked into ther breakfast room where the sole waitress (it was a small hotel) announced on my arrival " just going on my break, love. Back in 15 minutes!". I proceeded to Front Desk to get the internet pass to find the sole front desk clerk waddling hr fat ass out the door. She also told me she "was going on a break, love. Back soon.". I was a lot jet lagged and a tad pissed off. I followed them out the door and asked if either of these gems of Hospitality could assist me. The reply was basically " Mate, union says we get a break so we are taking it now. Go away ". Told them I would be leaving the hotel to find better lodgings within next ten minutes and as they were on their break I regretted that I couldn't pay my bill. Fat Girls 2 Freebie 1.

[KongKing]

Retired, single, and living in the Philippines I find little need for P4P (pay for pleasure) by way of bar room girls. Sure, P4P is an attraction and temptation for me when visiting other Asian countries when time is short and where there is a language problem. But here in the Philippines when you are (again) single (why would you want to get married here?) and you have the time then chat-mate liaisons is a good way to go. And it is enjoyable too.

In one of my postings a few years back I referred to the 4 Phases of Fucking: The Finding (or Sniffing) Phase, the Fun Phase, the Fuck Phase, and the Fuck-off Phase

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1511-Filipinas-Opinions-and-Advice&p=754259#post754259

To me the Fun Phase can be just as exciting as the next phase. I see it somewhat akin to a fresh-water fisherman who skilfully lures and casts, catches, then releases. But for mongers there is the gonad-satisfying step in between catch and release. My 5 days in Davao I had three chat-mates targeted and a couple in reserve should I get fouled up on my casting and capturing. I should point out that I signal loud and clear to my chat-mates that I am a fun loving adventurous guy looking for a nice casual relationship and that I was not marriage material.

Miss A was an 18 year old living 2 hours north of Davao. I had met her on DateInAsia (DIA) and had the occasional cam chat with her over 2 months. She was a sweetie who said she had been in a relationship for a year with a young Filipino since she was 16, but late last year was killed in a motor-bike accident. She said she has taken a while to get over this and was keen to move on and 'taste' her first foreigner. On the day for her to come to Davao to meet me I get the message 'I can't come at the moment; I don't have the money to get there. Can I borrow 200 pesos to get there? ' It wasn't a request, as some do, for 1000p or more. So it seemed genuine. She knew I was not prepared to send money. I held her at bay while she said she would keep asking cousins and friends. I said if she found the 200p I would give her 300p on arrival. That must have done the trick because the next text I received was 'I am on my way, w8'. Despite requests from me as to her travel progress, where she was and ETA, I was only getting the same 'w8' text. [This is so often the case isn't it? Filipina seem to have so little idea of their geography and pretty hopeless, as with most women, at reading maps. ]

An hour and a half later I receive the encouraging text: 'I am here outside now'. She greeted me like a long lost friend, which is the advantage of building up a bit of internet cam-chat relationship. She was with me for two nights and despite her tender years she was pretty skilled. Her deceased boyfriend (I believe her) had taught her well. I promised her if she was good, I mean naughty ('hehehe') , I would get her a new cell phone to replace her broken one. She was using one borrowed from her cousin. So between sessions we checked out cell phones at a few of the malls. I bid her farewell on the third morning as I had another important meeting that afternoon.

My important meeting, with Miss B, was to be at 12 noon. She was a 20 year old from Mati way, more than 3 hours distant from Davao. She was an hour late, and another that kept sending 'w8' texts. Miss B was the cousin and school mate of a Cherry Blossoms chat-mate I met 3 years previously and had kept in contact. The latter was now in a relationship, had just had a baby, and no longer available. However she was keen to look after my welfare and recommended her 'sexy cousin'. I had a few 10 minute cam chats with Miss B. Despite her limited communication skills ('have you had breakfast yet? ', 'today I watched tv and ate apple', etc) the signals were she would be the hottest in bed. She would need to be good to beat Miss A.

Miss B was pleasant enough, and over the two days we did the tourist things as she seldom visited Davao. We walked Peoples Park. We visited the small Blue Room at the Apo View Hotel and listened to a talented 7 piece band; then to Chicos on Rizal and a bit of Latin American rhythms, and next day visited the Crocodile Farm. I did not feel like taking her to one of Goodenough's up-market French restaurants when all that satisfied her was a plate of rice. So at GE's suggestion we had dinner at Buena Terra, a delicatessen restaurant on Torres Street, and for me it was one of the best Italian salads I have had. Thanks for that recommendation GE.

But for bedroom action Miss B was resistant and hard work. She went to bed fully dressed. The first night was no more than a hug, and a resisted breast massage. She did not mind a pubic grope through her dress and panties, but gave nothing in return. Night two was much the same so I suggested if she was not more receptive then she better sleep in the other room; which she did. But at the pre-rooster dawn she crept back and snuggled in. Somewhat inert she allowed me to remove her dress, and in time her bra and panties. She was plenty wet enough and I easily slipped into a warm palpitating pussy. She just lay there in the missionary position with just small movements, but the way she wrapped her legs around me and pulling me deeper in she was obviously feeling something. But that was that, and enough was enough. So with some 'taxi money' and a pasalubong for herself and for her cousin who recommended her, she was on her way. I am still getting 'have you had lunch' texts, and requests for loads, but they are fading. Filipina do move on pretty quickly.

Miss C was a high risk date. She popped up with an unsolicited DIA message 'Hi can we be friends' six days before I was to go to Davao. She was a 20 year old from General Santos City. I am somewhat suspicious of GSC chat-mates because there seems to be a high percentage of lady-boys there (like my perception of a high number of scammers in Iligan!) But at 5'2' and 40kg she did not look like a lady boy. Reading her profile it said she was looking for 'a serious man who can give everything to me to meet my needs'. So my initial reply was simple and blunt. 'I am not serious (for marriage). What you need is an ATM, not me'. She took umbrage at that. And within a day she had modified her profile. It led to some good solid discussion and then sharing of CP numbers, and the texts accelerated. It turned out she had an ex European boy-friend for a year who visited her monthly for a passionate few days in Manila. He had supplied her with a lap top and other luxuries. She wasn't in my class so we stopped communicating. Then the text was 'can I visit you in Davao'? I told her I would be pretty busy there and really didn't have time. This lead to a night of erotic texting. To quote from my inbox: 'I am serious, serious for some good fucking'; 'I like naughty man and also like licking my pussy I really like it'; 'I will lick your two balls and suck your dick hardly'; 'bring a lubricant to your dick because my doctor said my pussy won't foce because it can cause wound'; 'if you use lubricant it was easily put your dick inside'; 'oh I wear panties now no bra because I'm touching my nipples I'm fucking horny and its your faults' (continuing).

Given all this and more I took a gamble and extended my Davao time by an extra night. It was easier and cheaper to let my Cebu Pacific ticket lapse and go online and buy a new one than to pay the 900p cancellation and re-booking fee. Miss C was looking for some benefit for her visit. I played hard-nosed and said it has cost me 5000p for an extra night's accommodation and to get a new air ticket; and I will only pay for a return bus ticket from General Santos and a small pasalubong. I wasn't at all confident that she would turn up and I may need to resort to my contingency numbers. But at 8am on the day I got a text saying 'I'm on the bus now' followed by 'did you bring the lubricant? ', then 'I hope your dick was good in stand, I'm hot and little naughty when it comes to bed'; followed by 'can you pay for a flight from Davao to Cebu for me'. I didn't answer that last one.

Anyway to bring this to a climax. 6 in fact, she was dynamite in bed. We had three fucks in the first two hours, another later that night; then an early morning screamer. Gez she moaned with the action so much that I feared the hotel cleaning staff were lined outside the door listening to the action. It was either a case of putting a pillow over her face, but instead I gave her a deep kiss which seemed to again set off her vulva contractions. We had a farewell bonk, long and slow, not enough to get me there, but satisfying all the same. Not too bad for a guy more than 3 times her age. She deserved a reward for her efforts. So I bought her the air ticket to Cebu and we will meet again.

KongKing

[KongKing]

I have just had 5 days in Davao staying at three moderately priced hotels each with its own swimming pool. Personally I see little need at staying at four-star plus hotels with executive suites when I am quite happy with well-serviced and equipped standard accommodation and when my provincial pen-friend guest has only been familiar with the squalor of a packed household, dormitory, or boarding house.

Red Knight Gardens www.redknightgardens-davao.com/ is occasionally mentioned here, and in the Dragon Slayer forum. It is located about 7km north of downtown Davao and about 10 minutes from the airport. It is located in Guadalupe Village, Lanang, not too far from the Grand Regal Hotel and Casino. It is reasonably priced, from 1, 500p upwards for their studio units and apartments. It is a nice place to take that special lady for a few relaxed days. I have stayed there a few times before and this time it looked cleaner and fresher. Great what a coat of paint will do. And yes, the gardens are nice and well kept. The rooms were a little Spartan furnished, a miserably small tv set, with a small kitchen and cooking utensils, and nothing in the refrigerator and no coffee or tea. The open air pool-side restaurant was pleasant, with a good menu. WiFi is available poolside. There seemed to be a few permanents in residence, of which one wanted to monopolise the daily papers. I was able to book online, but at check-in they seemed to have lost the record and my studio unit was unavailable and I was upgraded. It is a little isolated from the main highway but staff will quickly call up a taxi, or you can jump on a tri-cab for 5 pesos each down to the J. P. Laurel highway. There are some very good restaurants, including the Swiss Deli, a kilometre up the road at Damosa, in Goodenough territory.

About another two kms north is Drifters Apartelle www.driftersdavao.com/ It can be a little tricky to find behind the security gates in the village of Nova Tiera. It is up the road from Elena Hotel and the popular Aquarium disco. It's across the runway from the airport but a 15 minute drive to get there. But Drifters do offer an airport pick-up and delivery service. Drifters is usually rated in the top five on TripAdvisor. It is a pretty small hotel, a range of rooms from 1400p up. The rooms were bright, clean and spacious. There was a well stocked refrigerator, with coffee and tea making facilities, and some units have a full kitchen. A WiFi jack point is in the room, and available poolside. The pool is small, but good depth, the so-called garden is small. You can hire motor bikes here. If you are hankering for good western and specially English food, in a British bar atmosphere then Drifters downstairs 'Pirates British Pub' is the place (see picture) with a range of international canned beers. Draft San Mig is on tap. If you have a special lady where you just want to rest up and fornicate then Drifters is my pick. Samal Island for a day's trip is just 20 minutes away eg Blue Jazz resort.

If your preference is downtown, where all the night-life, music, pick-up and action is, then Hotel Galleria is a good moderately priced base. There doesn't appear to be a home web site but TripAdvisor and others would give you a good idea. It is located on Duterte Street, just around the corner from Times Square and Gaisano Ilustre. Peoples Park, a pretty good meeting and pick-up area, is just 2 blocks away. Galleria has a well maintained, clean swimming pool, biggest of the three reviewed here. The hotel seems to have had a spruce up since I last stayed here. My 'matrimonial' room was 1495p. There was a very well stocked refrigerator, but no coffee / tea facilities; the restaurant and WiFi are downstairs. All three hotels had cable tv with at least 50 channels.

Since I was staying at these hotels for a purpose, I will touch on that in the second part.

KongKing

[GoodEnough]

Wow, KongKing, you did manage to wring the utmost out of your limited time here. I think you've put many, much younger guys to shame. Well done!

We enjoyed the time at Buona Terra as well. It's a consistently decent place to eat. You might be interested to learn that last night we were having dinner at a French restaurant, owned by a friend, and he mentioned he had been approached by the folks who manage Gaisano Mall. Apparently, Gaisano has built a fourth floor that will be devoted exclusively to fine dining. He mentioned that it's a lovely spot, with terraces and windows overlooking the city, and he's thinking of relocating there. It was the first time I had heard of this initiative, and hopefully Gaisano will prove successful in attracting some new, higher end places to the city as additional alternatives are always welcome.

You did a great job in your posts describing the up and downsides of Red Knight Garden. I've always thought that, while the setting is verdant, well-planned and well maintained, the rooms look like they were last furnished in about 1965 with furniture from Kmart, or some equally cheap, downmarket establishment. For that reason, I would never want to stay there, though I understand its attractions. The one time I visited Drifters, I thought that the ambience in the rooms was far superior, though the grounds at Red Knight are much nicer. If choosing between the two, I'd take Drifters every time.

The new SM facility, which looks enormous, will also house a Raddison Hotel once it's complete. I've no idea what the price will be, but the complex will be finished sometime next year. It looks like it will be the largest retail establishment in Davao, and I look forward to its opening as Abreeza is such a disappointment.

Hope to see you soon in the City of Golden Friendship.

GE

[Gangles]

Very helpful, informative and excellent reports KK. Well done.

G.


I have just had 5 days in Davao staying at three moderately priced hotels each with its own swimming pool. Personally I see little need at staying at four-star plus hotels with executive suites when I am quite happy with well-serviced and equipped standard accommodation and when my provincial pen-friend guest has only been familiar with the squalor of a packed household, dormitory, or boarding house.

Red Knight Gardens.

www.redknightgardens-davao.com/

Is occasionally mentioned here, and in the Dragon Slayer forum. It is located about 7km north of downtown Davao and about 10 minutes from the airport. It is located in Guadalupe Village, Lanang, not too far from the Grand Regal Hotel and Casino. It is reasonably priced, from 1, 500p upwards for their studio units and apartments. It is a nice place to take that special lady for a few relaxed days. I have stayed there a few times before and this time it looked cleaner and fresher. Great what a coat of paint will do. And yes, the gardens are nice and well kept. The rooms were a little Spartan furnished, a miserably small tv set, with a small kitchen and cooking utensils, and nothing in the refrigerator and no coffee or tea. The open air pool-side restaurant was pleasant, with a good menu. WiFi is available poolside. There seemed to be a few permanents in residence, of which one wanted to monopolise the daily papers. I was able to book online, but at check-in they seemed to have lost the record and my studio unit was unavailable and I was upgraded. It is a little isolated from the main highway but staff will quickly call up a taxi, or you can jump on a tri-cab for 5 pesos each down to the J. P. Laurel highway. There are some very good restaurants, including the Swiss Deli, a kilometre up the road at Damosa, in Goodenough territory.

About another two kms north is Drifters Apartelle.

www.driftersdavao.com/

It can be a little tricky to find behind the security gates in the village of Nova Tiera. It is up the road from Elena Hotel and the popular Aquarium disco. It's across the runway from the airport but a 15 minute drive to get there. But Drifters do offer an airport pick-up and delivery service. Drifters is usually rated in the top five on TripAdvisor. It is a pretty small hotel, a range of rooms from 1400p up. The rooms were bright, clean and spacious. There was a well stocked refrigerator, with coffee and tea making facilities, and some units have a full kitchen. A WiFi jack point is in the room, and available poolside. The pool is small, but good depth, the so-called garden is small. You can hire motor bikes here. If you are hankering for good western and specially English food, in a British bar atmosphere then Drifters downstairs 'Pirates British Pub' is the place (see picture) with a range of international canned beers. Draft San Mig is on tap. If you have a special lady where you just want to rest up and fornicate then Drifters is my pick. Samal Island for a day's trip is just 20 minutes away eg Blue Jazz resort.

If your preference is downtown, where all the night-life, music, pick-up and action is, then Hotel Galleria is a good moderately priced base. There doesn't appear to be a home web site but TripAdvisor and others would give you a good idea. It is located on Duterte Street, just around the corner from Times Square and Gaisano Ilustre. Peoples Park, a pretty good meeting and pick-up area, is just 2 blocks away. Galleria has a well maintained, clean swimming pool, biggest of the three reviewed here. The hotel seems to have had a spruce up since I last stayed here. My 'matrimonial' room was 1495p. There was a very well stocked refrigerator, but no coffee / tea facilities; the restaurant and WiFi are downstairs. All three hotels had cable tv with at least 50 channels.

Since I was staying at these hotels for a purpose, I will touch on that in the second part.

KongKing

[GoodEnough]

The range of decent dining in Davao has been expanding slowly over the past year, with the addition of Bon Appétit for one. Last week your intrepid reporter cited rumors of a new fourth floor that had been added recently to Gaisano Mall, for the sole purpose of accommodating new, higher end dining establishments. The owners of Bon Appétit have been "invited" to relocate there and it was they who told me of a new Italian restaurant that had recently established itself at this new / old location, so tonight we went to check it out.

It's true, there's an entirely new fourth floor, that's set up as a terrace, overlooking the city, and it's true it's set up exclusively for dining. It's been open a week, and half of the fifteen year olds in Davao were there gawking, taking pictures from the terraces, and in general behaving themselves. So far, there's only one restaurant, an Italian Tratoria named Don Beppe. We ate there, and the food was simply delicious. The place is not "fine" dining, in the sense that there are no table cloths and cloth napkins. However, it's extremely attractive, with lots of blond wood, pale brickwork and etagères full of nicely displayed glassware. The host, Beppe, is from Southern Italy, effusive, charming and totally professional. His wine list has not been printed yet, though he seems to have a fairly extensive cellar of Italian reds and whites. I asked him to select something for us, and he pulled out a delicious bottle of red from somewhere in the South of Italy; tart, fruity, somewhat dry and delicious.

The menu is not extensive, and we started with a carpaccio of tuna (excellent) and some delicious fromaggio. He then asked if he could select for us, and I was happy to let him. We received a lovely mushroom risotto and a whole chicken with potatoes cooked in a wood-fired stove. Again, excellent, with a tangy, wood smoke flavor. During the course of the meal he kept up a steady stream of complimentary drinks and cheeses, topped off by a post-coffee limongello that was also complimentary. The bill for the three of us, including wine, was less than Php4, 000; an excellent value.

The terrace area itself is a bit gaudy (Fillipino moderne) , with cantelevered ironworks angled between the roof and the terrace, and articulated with lights interspersed within the iron.

We'll defnitely return. The food was excellent, the parking abundant and easy, and the personality of the owner alone is worth the trip.

GE

[X Man]

I'm having trouble imagining a terrace on top of Gaisiano, but your report has made me hungry and thirsty.


The range of decent dining in Davao has been expanding slowly over the past year, with the addition of Bon Appétit for one. Last week your intrepid reporter cited rumors of a new fourth floor that had been added recently to Gaisano Mall, for the sole purpose of accommodating new, higher end dining establishments. The owners of Bon Appétit have been "invited" to relocate there and it was they who told me of a new Italian restaurant that had recently established itself at this new / old location, so tonight we went to check it out.

It's true, there's an entirely new fourth floor, that's set up as a terrace, overlooking the city, and it's true it's set up exclusively for dining. It's been open a week, and half of the fifteen year olds in Davao were there gawking, taking pictures from the terraces, and in general behaving themselves. So far, there's only one restaurant, an Italian Tratoria named Don Beppe. We ate there, and the food was simply delicious. The place is not "fine" dining, in the sense that there are no table cloths and cloth napkins. However, it's extremely attractive, with lots of blond wood, pale brickwork and etagères full of nicely displayed glassware. The host, Beppe, is from Southern Italy, effusive, charming and totally professional. His wine list has not been printed yet, though he seems to have a fairly extensive cellar of Italian reds and whites. I asked him to select something for us, and he pulled out a delicious bottle of red from somewhere in the South of Italy; tart, fruity, somewhat dry and delicious.

The menu is not extensive, and we started with a carpaccio of tuna (excellent) and some delicious fromaggio. He then asked if he could select for us, and I was happy to let him. We received a lovely mushroom risotto and a whole chicken with potatoes cooked in a wood-fired stove. Again, excellent, with a tangy, wood smoke flavor. During the course of the meal he kept up a steady stream of complimentary drinks and cheeses, topped off by a post-coffee limongello that was also complimentary. The bill for the three of us, including wine, was less than Php4, 000; an excellent value.

The terrace area itself is a bit gaudy (Fillipino moderne) , with cantelevered ironworks angled between the roof and the terrace, and articulated with lights interspersed within the iron.

We'll defnitely return. The food was excellent, the parking abundant and easy, and the personality of the owner alone is worth the trip.

GE

[Ickywicky]

I'm heading to Davao this weekend and enjoyed perusing many of the other people's posts in this forum. If anyone has some private tips or personal references to suggest, feel free to contact me personally.

I will post some pics of what I find (hopefully it'll be good).

[Blight782]

I'm heading to Davao this weekend and enjoyed perusing many of the other people's posts in this forum. If anyone has some private tips or personal references to suggest, feel free to contact me personally.

I will post some pics of what I find (hopefully it'll be good).Have a nice trip to Davao man, I have PM you for what you're looking for.

[Maantra]

Spent a few weeks recently in Davao and I must say what has been written about the saintliness and god-fearing nature of the Davaoenas is all true. I had some DIA contacts lined up before arrival but I decided early on that my focus would be on spontaneous encounters. I was meeting girls in malls, shops, restaurants, jeepneys, you name it. Generally, I found the girls to be easily approachable. Of course my boyish good looks and quick smile don't seem to hurt, either. Joke.

I had calling cards made up with my phone number on them and used any excuse to press them into the open hands of the fair lasses of Davao. Which way to Abreeza Mall, where is the best disco, Hello, I'm new in town – all proved to be effective conversation openers. Overall I experienced about a 60% response rate from girls I gave my card to- with those girls who texted usually contacting me the next day.

What I was totally unprepared for was the number of virgins I would encounter in my time in Davao. I had a run of 12 days wherein I met and texted with no less than 12 virgins. It was like the fucking Twelve Days of Christmas, except there was no fucking. These are girls aged 18-21, who by their own admission had never been touched. These were beautiful, sexy girls that I had handpicked to be my companions, but sadly it was not meant to be.

I'm not big into deflowering virgins, or even almost-virgins (see my recent post under Chat Rooms and Penpals) This is especially true for a place like Mindanao, where tribal honor runs deep – and fuses are short. Living to monger another day is high on my priority list. So after learning of these girls' status, I sadly moved on. The girls, however, kept texting me like there was no tomorrow. With a few of them, I politely inquired if they had any less innocent friends they could introduce me to. This path usually led to nowhere.

But without fail, they were exceedingly polite and helpful. One virgin girl, after learning that I was mainly looking for a good time, began texting me locations where I could find fun-time girls. Bank street, Plaza Roman, and the Aquarium were among her suggestions. She actually had to text another friend to get this info, as she did not know it offhand. A virgin doing her best to provide me with hookers. Only in the Philippines?

I went on first dates with many of these girls before I found out of their innocent status. But toward the end, I just began presenting more probing questions to new girls during our texts leading up to a potential meeting. Have you had BF before? Was it serious? Ah, so it means you are innocent? And so forth.

Of course the possibility did cross my mind that these girls weren't being truthful for one reason or another. Perhaps their Catholic shame combined with the overbearing presence of Jesus (who seems to be everywhere in Davao) made them unwilling to admit their past sins to a newly acquired friend. But I really don't think so. I couched my questions in the most 'innocent' manner possible, and for the most part, I was convinced to the genuine nature of the responses.

One very cute 18 year old salesgirl I met at Victoria did confess to me thru text that honestly she wasn't a virgin anymore because her cousin had 'got her' and her twin sister when they were 12 years old one night when he was drunk and Mom was away. How fucking sad is that? She told me solemnly that only her family (and now me) knows her dark secret. Now she is worried that no man will want her cause 'boys only want virgins. ' She's never had a boyfriend or even had sex except the one time with her cousin. I tried to convince her that I very much wanted her by surprising her with Jollibee at her crappy sales job. Despite the fact that her family lives in a shack lit by a kerosene lamp and no fucking electricity, she was resistant to any offers of assistance. A very proud and sweet girl indeed.

Looking back, it seems that I may have made my quest more difficult by deliberately avoiding the more experienced girls of Torres. But meeting regular girls has never been a problem for me in places like Cebu; based on many of posts here on this thread, I never expected such a level of widespread sexual immaturity in Davao.

Of course I met many girls who weren't virgins. My experiences there will come in a later post.

For some virgin-oriented mongers, what I've described may seem a paradise. But for me, it was just a candy store with the candy wrappers wound way too tightly for my taste.

[Finrod]

My only success in Davao banging came from DIA girls in their 30's. One of these came over and just wanted to fuck. The other was willing following lunch. So they're out there, but the younger ones as Maantra mentions were hard work for nothing. Actually I wouldn't say nothing as some made clear that I just needed more time with them than I had.

[Red Kilt]

Spent a few weeks recently in Davao. <SNIP

Of course I met many girls who weren't virgins. My experiences there will come in a later post.I hope you didn't forget your "promise" mate. Waiting eagerly for your experiences in print.

[Radical Guy]

I had a run of 12 days wherein I met and texted with no less than 12 virgins. It was like the fucking Twelve Days of Christmas, except there was no fucking. These are girls aged 18-21, who by their own admission had never been touched. These were beautiful, sexy girls that I had handpicked to be my companions, but sadly it was not meant to be.

I'm not big into deflowering virgins, or even almost-virgins (see my recent post under Chat Rooms and Penpals) This is especially true for a place like Mindanao, where tribal honor runs deep – and fuses are short. Living to monger another day is high on my priority list. So after learning of these girls' status, I sadly moved on. The girls, however, kept texting me like there was no tomorrow*

For some virgin-oriented mongers, what I've described may seem a paradise. But for me, it was just a candy store with the candy wrappers wound way too tightly for my taste.Hi Maantra,

Thank you for your excellent post! I am curious about something. Do you think that all or most of those virgins you encountered would have been open to being deflowered, if you had been so inclined? Or did they make it clear that they wanted sex only after engagement or marriage?

RG

[Stroker Ace88]

Hi Maantra,

Thank you for your excellent post! I am curious about something. Do you think that all or most of those virgins you encountered would have been open to being deflowered, if you had been so inclined? Or did they make it clear that they wanted sex only after engagement or marriage?

RGMarriage minded to the MAX. Very difficult to fly in there and deflower your way around Mindanao with a wink and a smile. You will also have to spend alot of time online in chat sessions with the girls for them to become comfortable with you. Of course YMMV as there are willing girls all over the Philippines, but generally speaking Mindanao is not the optimum place for that. Manila and Luzon are better.

[X Man]

This is a great post, but what the heck were you doing wrong? On thing I would not have done is ask,"are you innocent". Filipinos will tell you the answer they think you want to hear. On the other hand,"have you had a bf" or is a pretty good question. Do you / will you date older guys is good for me since I'm not a young stud like you. X.


Spent a few weeks recently in Davao and I must say what has been written about the saintliness and god-fearing nature of the Davaoenas is all true. I had some DIA contacts lined up before arrival but I decided early on that my focus would be on spontaneous encounters. I was meeting girls in malls, shops, restaurants, jeepneys, you name it. Generally, I found the girls to be easily approachable. Of course my boyish good looks and quick smile don't seem to hurt, either. Joke.

I had calling cards made up with my phone number on them and used any excuse to press them into the open hands of the fair lasses of Davao. Which way to Abreeza Mall, where is the best disco, Hello, I'm new in town – all proved to be effective conversation openers. Overall I experienced about a 60% response rate from girls I gave my card to- with those girls who texted usually contacting me the next day.

SNIP.

What I was totally unprepared for was the number of virgins I would encounter in my time in Davao. I had a run of 12 days wherein I met and texted with no less than 12 virgins. For some virgin-oriented mongers, what I've described may seem a paradise. But for me, it was just a candy store with the candy wrappers wound way too tightly for my taste.

[GoodEnough]

Bon Appétit has become my restaurant of choice here in Davao, and we eat there almost every weekend. Tonight, we had reserved what turned out to be the last two available seats, with the remainder taken by about 8 young (under 35) American and Biritsh expats and their Filipina girls friends, all of whom were very good looking. I knew one of the guys slightly as we had met in my office a couple of years ago, and I had no idea that he had remained in Davao. Since both of us are smokers, we met outside while having cigarettes and he introduced me to most of the other guys. What was interesting about the conversation, and what lead to this post, is that these guys were telling me about the increasing number of young expats who were establishing residence here and starting businesses, mostly in the BPO / outsourcing sector. All of these guys claimed to be doing reasonably well, and all of them said that they enjoy the city, and want to help it grow into the hub of IT :incubator companies" in the country.

Given that most of my acquaintances here are firmly in the 50-60 year old age group, it surprised me to learn that apparently there's a vibrant and growing community of much younger, entrepreneurial expats who have made this place their home. All of them appeared to be in fairly settled relationships, but these were established subsequent to their moves. That is, they moved here for business reasons, and not because of ladies they had met on line, or on their initial trips. These guys are not major investors, but they're creating jobs for 50-60 Filipinos each and apparently they're making adequate livings. It's somehow gratifying to me to see younger guys taking the risk to establish viable businesses here.

GE

[Member #4491]

Just found out from an ex "gf" that the father of her child is now waiting twins. His 14th and 15th child. The mother this time is 17. This American Ron seems to be a serious mental case targeting young poor girls. He only support two of the kids. One girl in Maa, one in Camiguin one in Leyteone in Mati, one in Davao, etc. Non of them get a penny. Spineless scumbag!

B.

[Gangles]

In much the same vein, I have met several younger expats in the Phils who have, or manage, outsourcing businesses.

Some are call centres, some others.

All are pretty lucrative.

They charge the customer in the US or Australia about $15 per operator per hour, and pay the operator about 100 pesos per hour, or $2. 50. So the gross margin is about $12. 50 per operator per hour.

Good money.

Gangles


Bon Appétit has become my restaurant of choice here in Davao, and we eat there almost every weekend. Tonight, we had reserved what turned out to be the last two available seats, with the remainder taken by about 8 young (under 35) American and Biritsh expats and their Filipina girls friends, all of whom were very good looking. I knew one of the guys slightly as we had met in my office a couple of years ago, and I had no idea that he had remained in Davao. Since both of us are smokers, we met outside while having cigarettes and he introduced me to most of the other guys. What was interesting about the conversation, and what lead to this post, is that these guys were telling me about the increasing number of young expats who were establishing residence here and starting businesses, mostly in the BPO / outsourcing sector. All of these guys claimed to be doing reasonably well, and all of them said that they enjoy the city, and want to help it grow into the hub of IT :incubator companies" in the country.

Given that most of my acquaintances here are firmly in the 50-60 year old age group, it surprised me to learn that apparently there's a vibrant and growing community of much younger, entrepreneurial expats who have made this place their home. All of them appeared to be in fairly settled relationships, but these were established subsequent to their moves. That is, they moved here for business reasons, and not because of ladies they had met on line, or on their initial trips. These guys are not major investors, but they're creating jobs for 50-60 Filipinos each and apparently they're making adequate livings. It's somehow gratifying to me to see younger guys taking the risk to establish viable businesses here.

GE

[X Man]

Your ex may be visibly pregnant, but the circumstances may just be gossip or vindictiveness. And giving a name probably causes discomfort for anyone name Ron in Davao.

In all fairness, we have to ask the question Barba, since the "scumbag" targets poor gals of 17, how old was your ex gf when you targetted her?


Just found out from an ex "gf" that the father of her child is now waiting twins. His 14th and 15th child. The mother this time is 17. This American Ron seems to be a serious mental case targeting young poor girls. He only support two of the kids. One girl in Maa, one in Camiguin one in Leyteone in Mati, one in Davao, etc. Non of them get a penny. Spineless scumbag!

B.

[Member #4491]

X Man, read my post again. You got it wrong somehow.

The ex is 22 now. I met her first when she was 18. Had sex when she was 19 the first time. We are good friends. Her son is 3. Look alike to the dad. The father (Ron) visits every now and then, and learns the boy to drink beer (yes I saw photos of this). He always brings a girl to the visit. Last visit he had two poor pinays at his side. He has acknowledged that he is the father. His "live in" (the only woman she supports) is friend with my ex and they share info on his latest conquests.

This 17 year old girl is another girl. I never met her. She is the younger sister of a work mate of my ex. This Ron brags about his achievements and acknowledged also this child.

Previously I encouraged contact between the boy and his father when my ex asked me for advice on this matter, but after finding out about his latest achievements I simply commented that "in some cases it is better to have no father around, than a father that clearly has an extremely poor judgement and questionable character". To have a father around is important, but I am not so sure this boy will benefit from emulating his daddy.

Sometimes people do have facts. Sometimes it is exactly the way it looks, even here on ISG.

I will pray for of all the innocent Ron's of Davao before I go to sleep. I hope these poor Ron's can live with the burden of my previous post.

Barba.

[X Man]

Thanks Barba, I most certainly got it wrong. First time that's ever happened. Ha. Ha. X.


X Man, read my post again. You got it wrong somehow.

Barba.

[Ickywicky]

my trip to davao:

first of all, let me describe to an extent the outline of my adventure.

my buddy is an experienced guy, kinda a monger but (i discovered) in a strange way. i am relatively inexperienced, both at mongering, and at women in general. we came with the simultaneous purpose of 1) diving. 2) getting chicks. 3) meeting up with our friend who lived here and 4) relaxing. sadly we only accomplished two of these in davao.

when we visited, we had contacted girls via various websites and my friend had a girl meet us at the airport. her two sisters and uncle had come along, and we got a taxi to the docks (our first stop). along the way, my friend talking to the girl aside while i chatted with the unattractive sisters to make peace. apparently as we were disembarking at the docks, the girl had said to my friend that she had to go to her daughter's communion that day. my friend kinda took that as a sign of she had to leave, and we said bye to them and got the diving stuff prepared. i did the first part of my diving course and apparently my friend just stayed there and chatted with the owner.

that night sucked. apparently that whole area of town blows. has no wifi or coffeeshops; it's all like industrial wharfs. several of the hotels we visited were booked and we finally found one that seemed adequate. we finally got one, went off to the mall, and got girls phone numbers. this one girl, ivyjean, contacted me and said she'd come meet me. then when she was nearby my hotel and texted again that she would "come up to your room". me and my friends exchanged glances of "awesome". my friend skiddaddled, but not before begging me to see if she had a friend who'd want to hook up with him.

i met her in my room. i was really ready for a good time and chatted her down. she was super-friendly. obviously she liked me, and i kept on nudging and touching her. i played a little game with her of "i'll take my clothes off if you take yours." i don't know how it worked but it did! by this point i was pretty sure she was just a hot girl totally into me but still had some reservations. i got her all the way down to her panties (saw some bush) then she got shy again and wanted to stop. in the mood to get my friend his hook up and pretty sure this would go swell the next day i agreed (i'd got to feel some boob, touch her ass, pretty much everything said she was a hot number!).

we were pretty exhausted in general and day two we set out on our scuba that morning. to talk about it a minute, there are two shops next to the santa ana pier, both are good shops (we ended up using both) i did one for my scuba cert then the other on a day the first wasn't going we did a deep dive (thursday). the scuba, in general, was pretty good, but to hear my friend say it there wasn't much to see until the very last dive on thursday (when we saw plenty of little creatures in the shallow waters). my friend did say it was awesomely cheap, cheaper than anywhere he'd ever been to.

that night i headed around downtown, we had a date to meet up with the girls and take them to the island set up, and my friend headed off to chase more girls online. i should say my friend has a strategy different from *****mongering; he believes in wooing and getting as much as he can from the girls. he calls it the patient approach, to find girls into foreigners, pick them up, and then give them gifts, but apparently, because my friend is super cheap, this doesn't always work out. i think his strategy works much better in the country we were from, where he can speak the local language and has an edge over most foreigners.

the next night we met the girls on the island, they seemed decent and we chatted. we had dinner and took them back to the rooms. my girl acted very strange. i figure it's because here they're like super catholic or she was just super nervous but she didn't get at all into any of the passion. everything was bleh; she bathed me like a weird baby scene (kinda humilitating) , then she wouldn't let me touch her breasts or her body, she acted like a dead fish when i finally started giving her oral and it felt like i was almost [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her (no penetration, my sense of guilt stopped me from that). i gave up and asked her politely what was wrong, she basically said that she just wanted to sleep, which was weird. i don't know if i was pressuring her too hard, but i really got frustrated by this time. there ended up being a little annoying rage where i asked her to leave, she went over to ask her friend to go, whereupon my buddy came over to me and gave me this speech.

my buddy's speech went something like this;"look, man, it's our job to make these girls happy. it's a matter of leaving a good image with them." i was pretty stunned by his attitude; basically he was saying that the sex and all that wasn't important."you just have to be patient. you might get something, you might not get something. but if you wati long enough something might happen." then he gave me long discussion about how as a master of patience he was."these girls are nice girls, really christian, and you can't push them, you just be patient and you'll get them."

i sighed and went along with my buddy. i was nice to the girls and we had dinner with these nice people at the hotel; that turned out to be the best part, the discussion with the foreigners over food they had brought. great food, btw.

we went back to the rooms, ivy didn't even want to come into the same room with me (sigh) , and there i was sleeping alone in my room. my friend's room had ants, and for some reason when they transferred to another room there was a bunkbed so my friend ended up sleeping alone with the two girls together in th eupper bunkbed. actually, in my mind, i'd imagined my friend getting lucky with both of them because i'd thought he was the best guy with women. when i woke up and found out that i was just annoyed.

the next day, we ditched the girls and went scuba diving. when we got back, ivy wanted to meet but i was fed up with the whole situation and wanted to just move on to someone else. i spent that night going around downtown and checking out the street scene. it looks pretty bad in davao. there are many transexual bars. some of the ones suggested on this site seemed to be that way.

sorry if i can't remember the names, but i'll describe them; most of them near san pedro.

the first bar i went into was marked a gentlemen's club or something, the girls were really forceful and immediately demanded a lap dance. nobody was dancing on the stage, and there were three girls next to me all wanting me tob uy them drinks, one of them really pushy. i was pissed off and got up and left after two minutes and half a beer.

the second bar i went into i looked around and saw 5 tv's.

the third bar i went into, ditto.

needless to say as i walked around i started to get aggravated. another tv bar. maybe it's the gay area? i thought. i was frustrated and ended up going home.

the next day was nothing to do. my friend was pissed off with this city, as was i, and we tried to change our tickets to get out of the shithole that was davao. there was literally nothign to do, since scuba was not open that day and there was not very much to see in the area. malls, mainly. i ended up going around and just trying to do some work, lamely going to the malls and trying to pick up on girls without any success. we did meet our friend who lived in the area (he hadn't been answering phone calls the whole week and finalyl we got hold of him). he was basically friendly and showed us around, but seemed like he wanted to relax. that night was boring; i went to the gym to work out (i do lots of exercise) then when i got back i took my friend to several of the bars, my friend thought they were all shitty too.

the next day we went scuba again and this time was the best day (yay). we hanged around with my friend's family for lunch, pretty nice.

the next day my friend went scuba (i was pretty tired of it by this time) and i just tried to relax around the malls and stuff. not very easy since i was kinda bored, but i did manage to do some work. i should have gone to the beach but it would have taken an incredibly unpredictable ferry ride if so. but i did go ot the gym at least.

finally we got out of davao the next day.

basically the girls in davao are super conservative, almost all christian, won't really approach you or talk with you. seems very catholic. friendly but won't go to any degree with oyu, too much work. the city itself is a messed up landscape. there are the crappy places around most of the town (some of which are incredibly stinky and depressing) , the armed guards with shotguns and machineguns everywhere (very safe but intimidating) , the superfluous malls (there's 3 malls all incredibly close to each other and a 4th one being constructed for no real purpose i can tell). there's no real places to hang out and relax, everything closes incredibly early it seems, and basically, as my friend said,"let's get the hell out of here".

sorry if this was mean but it's my general reflection.

i ended up on the flight back to manilla (never could change the ticket fligth date) and instead of taking the connecting flight to my home i hopped off and spent a few days in angeles city, where i found a much better reception (but still not that noteworthy in terms of satisfaction).

[Questor55]

Jeez, IckyWicky, Your report reads like a litany of how NOT to enjoy Davao. Perhaps we need a separate section for 'Don't Do This! ' It seems you guys had not done any advance research, and were just stumbling around, hoping for the best. There are numerous reports and excellent advice available on this and other city threads from always successful guys who know the scene inside out. Research definitely pays off, so RTFF!

[Questor55]

Jeez, IckyWicky, Your report reads like a litany of how NOT to enjoy Davao. Perhaps we need a separate section for 'Don't Do This! ' It seems you guys had not done any advance research, and were just stumbling around, hoping for the best. There are numerous reports and excellent advice available on this and other city threads from always successful guys who know the scene inside out. Research definitely pays off, so RTFF!

[Paulr1950]

Ickywicky,

I have found davao easy to meet girls, you should have gone to torres st, many bars and discos, rizal st, have 2 places hubana compound, and rizal promenade, but Thursdays till sat are best, and central bank has a lota girls but go 9/11 pm to get the best pick.

[Red Kilt]

I will pray for of all the innocent Ron's of Davao before I go to sleep. I hope these poor Ron's can live with the burden of my previous post.

Barba.Ahhh Barba I wish I had an emoticon for ROFLMFAO because that's what I was doing 5 minutes ago.

I must remember to be a Tom, Dick or Harry but never a Ron when I am next in Davao.

[Member #4491]

Ickywicky, thank you for your honest report. The area around San Pedro is not a LB area. It is just shitty. Period.

I have tried to communicate a reality check on Davao here on ISG, and I think your experience is quite a common one. You are absolutely correct in most of your observations and yes, Davao is a little shit hole in many aspects. It is not the place to just visit a few days and have massive amounts of fun. It is time consuming and requires planning and preparation. Things are cheap in Davao, but over all the value is crap if you compare to how much bang you get for the buck (including food, fanny, outdoor activities, party, etc). As GE once said about a friend of mine coming in from Thailand: "I can't see one single reason for him to go to Davao, if he lives in Thailand".

Now I normally have a decent time in between work when I am in Davao, but I prepare well and have a solid base of providers. If I did not have to go for work, I would pick another place for short visits. Retirement in the sun is another story, and I think this life is often confused with the possibilities during a quick in and out visits, when Davao is discussed here on ISG. There are thousands of girls in Davao, but they are not parading around just waiting for the next foreigner to barfine them.

Your friend is totally wrong in adopting this strategy during your short visit. What is often a slow process in Davao even for a well greased monger, will turn into an endless amount of hold hand meetings, dinners and karaoke evenings with that "you should make the girl feel good"-approach. If you go into the traditional "man should impress an deserve woman"-game in Davao, you are in for a long haul. These religious pinoy boys have the patience to wait for their little angel for years and years. I have tried and failed. Now I can identify these girl within minutes and either take the short cut via a convincing wad of pesos or just walk on to the next girl.

That bath scene sounds totally absurd. Some sort of projection of her desire to have a child? Tell us more.

I am sorry your trip turned out the way it did and that non of the girls I sent contact data to where willing or able to accommodate you.

Did you see any large fishes, worth catching on a rod?

Barba

[Member #4491]

Ahhh Barba I wish I had an emoticon for ROFLMFAO because that's what I was doing 5 minutes ago.

I must remember to be a Tom, Dick or Harry but never a Ron when I am next in Davao.Hehe. Yea, better stick to Dick.

Mitch (Samuel L Jackson) in The Long Kiss Goodnight puts it well:

"I'm always frank and earnest with women. Uh, in New York I'm Frank, and Chicago I'm Ernest."

LOL.

Another quote from that movie reminds me of my air-con during my last visit to MyHotel in Davao. It sounded like a steam locomotive was parked next to my bed, and the darn machine provided nothing but wind.

Mitch: "So, you cold?"

Charlie: "Yeah. Freezing."

Mitch: "Turn on the heat. It doesn't work, but it makes a very annoying noise. Distracts from the cold."

Barba.

[WhatsUrName]

Just found out from an ex "gf" that the father of her child is now waiting twins. His 14th and 15th child. The mother this time is 17. This American Ron seems to be a serious mental case targeting young poor girls. He only support two of the kids. One girl in Maa, one in Camiguin one in Leyteone in Mati, one in Davao, etc. Non of them get a penny. Spineless scumbag!

B.Wow 14 or 15 kids? That's amazing.

I have a question. How much is "reasonable" child support in the Philippines? Suppose, theoretically, that I were to get a woman from Davao City pregnant. For the sake of discussion, suppose she is 25 and works as a waittress in a normal bar in a Mall. Assume she comes from a lower to middle class family.

Suppose further that I want to "do the right thing" by the child and legally acknowledge the child as mine. If it matters, assume the Nationality of the father is American.

What would be a reasonable amount for child support in the Philippines per month? Assume Davao City. I would not have a problem spending money on the child's education, as long as I know that it is being spent properly. Assume I would get verfication of any education expenses.

I would think that $200 USD a month base support plus xtra for schooling should be more than enough for his support? I have no idea. What is reasonable? What would a Davao City Family Judge make me pay if I lived there?

Thanks

[Chocha Monger]

Wow 14 or 15 kids? That's amazing.

I have a question. How much is "reasonable" child support in the Philippines? Suppose, theoretically, that I were to get a woman from Davao City pregnant. For the sake of discussion, suppose she is 25 and works as a waittress in a normal bar in a Mall. Assume she comes from a lower to middle class family.

Suppose further that I want to "do the right thing" by the child and legally acknowledge the child as mine. If it matters, assume the Nationality of the father is American.

What would be a reasonable amount for child support in the Philippines per month? Assume Davao City. I would not have a problem spending money on the child's education, as long as I know that it is being spent properly. Assume I would get verfication of any education expenses.

I would think that $200 USD a month base support plus xtra for schooling should be more than enough for his support? I have no idea. What is reasonable? What would a Davao City Family Judge make me pay if I lived there?

ThanksWell, you can start with $200 monthly but that will hardly cover the carabao milk. I am sure the girl and her family will let you know how much is appropriate plus emergency expenses for doctors, medicine, etc.

[GoodEnough]

Wow 14 or 15 kids? That's amazing.

I have a question. How much is "reasonable" child support in the Philippines? Suppose, theoretically, that I were to get a woman from Davao City pregnant. For the sake of discussion, suppose she is 25 and works as a waittress in a normal bar in a Mall. Assume she comes from a lower to middle class family.

Suppose further that I want to "do the right thing" by the child and legally acknowledge the child as mine. If it matters, assume the Nationality of the father is American.

What would be a reasonable amount for child support in the Philippines per month? Assume Davao City. I would not have a problem spending money on the child's education, as long as I know that it is being spent properly. Assume I would get verfication of any education expenses.

I would think that $200 USD a month base support plus xtra for schooling should be more than enough for his support? I have no idea. What is reasonable? What would a Davao City Family Judge make me pay if I lived there?

ThanksEstablishing a reasonable cost basis requires that you consider first how you want your child to be raised. If you want to support him at the level of the solidly middle class, your cost is going to be between $400 and $500 a month, and believe me when I say I know whereof I speak. A decent apartment in a safe area is going to rent for about Php5, 000, and that's unfurnished, with no air-conditioning, so you've got to factor in the cost of furniture as well. Then of course there are the costs of utilities, food, transportation. Clothes (for the mother and the baby) , which will eat another $200-$250. Finally, you're going to incur the cost of a decent private school, which will cost you about Php4, 000 a month exclusive of books and "special" fees. Another potential cost-and this is if the mother is going to continue working-is a nanny (yaya) for the baby. Of course if the latter role is played by a family member, you will run into extra food costs. This estimate does not include the cost of entertainment, birthdays, other gift-giving holidays, and medical bills.

GE

[Red Kilt]

Establishing a reasonable cost basis requires that you consider first how you want your child to be raised. If you want to support him at the level of the solidly middle class, your cost is going to be between $400 and $500 a month, and believe me when I say I know whereof I speak. A decent apartment in a safe area is going to rent for about Php5, 000, and that's unfurnished, with no air-conditioning, so you've got to factor in the cost of furniture as well. Then of course there are the costs of utilities, food, transportation. Clothes (for the mother and the baby) , which will eat another $200-$250. Finally, you're going to incur the cost of a decent private school, which will cost you about Php4, 000 a month exclusive of books and "special" fees. Another potential cost-and this is if the mother is going to continue working-is a nanny (yaya) for the baby. Of course if the latter role is played by a family member, you will run into extra food costs. This estimate does not include the cost of entertainment, birthdays, other gift-giving holidays, and medical bills.I was about to reply with a figure of at least 25, 000 php per month and GE has now corroborated my guesstimate with a well-sourced break-down of actual costs (and he speaks with authority on costs etc for elementary schooling).

I suggest that Chocha's figure of $200 per month is a baseline amount. Use GE's figures if you want accuracy.

[Ickywicky]

my trip to davao:

first of all, let me describe to an extent the outline of my adventure.

my buddy is an experienced guy, kinda a monger but (i discovered) in a strange way. i am relatively inexperienced, both at mongering, and at women in general. we came with the simultaneous purpose of 1) diving. 2) getting chicks. 3) meeting up with our friend who lived here and 4) relaxing. sadly we only accomplished two of these in davao.

when we visited, we had contacted girls via various websites and my friend had a girl meet us at the airport. her two sisters and uncle had come along, and we got a taxi to the docks (our first stop). along the way, my friend talking to the girl aside while i chatted with the unattractive sisters to make peace. apparently as we were disembarking at the docks, the girl had said to my friend that she had to go to her daughter's communion that day. my friend kinda took that as a sign of she had to leave, and we said bye to them and got the diving stuff prepared. i did the first part of my diving course and apparently my friend just stayed there and chatted with the owner.

that night sucked. apparently that whole area of town blows. has no wifi or coffeeshops; it's all like industrial wharfs. several of the hotels we visited were booked and we finally found one that seemed adequate. we finally got one, went off to the mall, and got girls phone numbers. this one girl, ivyjean, contacted me and said she'd come meet me. then when she was nearby my hotel and texted again that she would "come up to your room". me and my friends exchanged glances of "awesome". my friend skiddaddled, but not before begging me to see if she had a friend who'd want to hook up with him.

i met her in my room. i was really ready for a good time and chatted her down. she was super-friendly. obviously she liked me, and i kept on nudging and touching her. i played a little game with her of "i'll take my clothes off if you take yours." i don't know how it worked but it did! by this point i was pretty sure she was just a hot girl totally into me but still had some reservations. i got her all the way down to her panties (saw some bush) then she got shy again and wanted to stop. in the mood to get my friend his hook up and pretty sure this would go swell the next day i agreed (i'd got to feel some boob, touch her ass, pretty much everything said she was a hot number!).

we were pretty exhausted in general and day two we set out on our scuba that morning. to talk about it a minute, there are two shops next to the santa ana pier, both are good shops (we ended up using both) i did one for my scuba cert then the other on a day the first wasn't going we did a deep dive (thursday). the scuba, in general, was pretty good, but to hear my friend say it there wasn't much to see until the very last dive on thursday (when we saw plenty of little creatures in the shallow waters). my friend did say it was awesomely cheap, cheaper than anywhere he'd ever been to.

that night i headed around downtown, we had a date to meet up with the girls and take them to the island set up, and my friend headed off to chase more girls online. i should say my friend has a strategy different from *****mongering; he believes in wooing and getting as much as he can from the girls. he calls it the patient approach, to find girls into foreigners, pick them up, and then give them gifts, but apparently, because my friend is super cheap, this doesn't always work out. i think his strategy works much better in the country we were from, where he can speak the local language and has an edge over most foreigners.

the next night we met the girls on the island, they seemed decent and we chatted. we had dinner and took them back to the rooms. my girl acted very strange. i figure it's because here they're like super catholic or she was just super nervous but she didn't get at all into any of the passion. everything was bleh; she bathed me like a weird baby scene (kinda humilitating) , then she wouldn't let me touch her breasts or her body, she acted like a dead fish when i finally started giving her oral and it felt like i was almost [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) her (no penetration, my sense of guilt stopped me from that). i gave up and asked her politely what was wrong, she basically said that she just wanted to sleep, which was weird. i don't know if i was pressuring her too hard, but i really got frustrated by this time. there ended up being a little annoying rage where i asked her to leave, she went over to ask her friend to go, whereupon my buddy came over to me and gave me this speech.

my buddy's speech went something like this;"look, man, it's our job to make these girls happy. it's a matter of leaving a good image with them." i was pretty stunned by his attitude; basically he was saying that the sex and all that wasn't important."you just have to be patient. you might get something, you might not get something. but if you wati long enough something might happen." then he gave me long discussion about how as a master of patience he was."these girls are nice girls, really christian, and you can't push them, you just be patient and you'll get them."

i sighed and went along with my buddy. i was nice to the girls and we had dinner with these nice people at the hotel; that turned out to be the best part, the discussion with the foreigners over food they had brought. great food, btw.

we went back to the rooms, ivy didn't even want to come into the same room with me (sigh) , and there i was sleeping alone in my room. my friend's room had ants, and for some reason when they transferred to another room there was a bunkbed so my friend ended up sleeping alone with the two girls together in th eupper bunkbed. actually, in my mind, i'd imagined my friend getting lucky with both of them because i'd thought he was the best guy with women. when i woke up and found out that i was just annoyed.

the next day, we ditched the girls and went scuba diving. when we got back, ivy wanted to meet but i was fed up with the whole situation and wanted to just move on to someone else. i spent that night going around downtown and checking out the street scene. it looks pretty bad in davao. there are many transexual bars. some of the ones suggested on this site seemed to be that way.

sorry if i can't remember the names, but i'll describe them; most of them near san pedro.

the first bar i went into was marked a gentlemen's club or something, the girls were really forceful and immediately demanded a lap dance. nobody was dancing on the stage, and there were three girls next to me all wanting me tob uy them drinks, one of them really pushy. i was pissed off and got up and left after two minutes and half a beer.

the second bar i went into i looked around and saw 5 tv's.

the third bar i went into, ditto.

needless to say as i walked around i started to get aggravated. another tv bar. maybe it's the gay area? i thought. i was frustrated and ended up going home.

the next day was nothing to do. my friend was pissed off with this city, as was i, and we tried to change our tickets to get out of the shithole that was davao. there was literally nothign to do, since scuba was not open that day and there was not very much to see in the area. malls, mainly. i ended up going around and just trying to do some work, lamely going to the malls and trying to pick up on girls without any success. we did meet our friend who lived in the area (he hadn't been answering phone calls the whole week and finalyl we got hold of him). he was basically friendly and showed us around, but seemed like he wanted to relax. that night was boring; i went to the gym to work out (i do lots of exercise) then when i got back i took my friend to several of the bars, my friend thought they were all shitty too.

the next day we went scuba again and this time was the best day (yay). we hanged around with my friend's family for lunch, pretty nice.

the next day my friend went scuba (i was pretty tired of it by this time) and i just tried to relax around the malls and stuff. not very easy since i was kinda bored, but i did manage to do some work. i should have gone to the beach but it would have taken an incredibly unpredictable ferry ride if so. but i did go ot the gym at least.

finally we got out of davao the next day.

basically the girls in davao are super conservative, almost all christian, won't really approach you or talk with you. seems very catholic. friendly but won't go to any degree with oyu, too much work. the city itself is a messed up landscape. there are the crappy places around most of the town (some of which are incredibly stinky and depressing) , the armed guards with shotguns and machineguns everywhere (very safe but intimidating) , the superfluous malls (there's 3 malls all incredibly close to each other and a 4th one being constructed for no real purpose i can tell). there's no real places to hang out and relax, everything closes incredibly early it seems, and basically, as my friend said,"let's get the hell out of here".

i ended up on the flight back to manilla (never could change the ticket fligth date) and instead of taking the connecting flight to my home i hopped off and spent a few days in angeles city, where i found a much better reception (but still not that noteworthy in terms of satisfaction).

[SwingDing]

Hey guys,

Any one have experience with the carsuh houses or *****houses? What are the rpices, what is the quality, what is the location?

Love to hear it.

Greetz,

Swingding

[GoodEnough]

I was in the Ayala Abreeza mall yesterday, and it had only been a couple of weeks since I was there last. I was gratified at the number of new, high-end shops that have opened. It's starting to resemble a place in which it's actually pleasant to shop. Armani Exchange, for example, is now there, as is Nine West and Occitane. Given the sparsity of people I'm not sure how or if it's making money-I'm told it's generally perceived by Filipinos as a "mall for the rich"-but then, that's not my problem.

I noticed three new or newish restaurants while there. One of them, Spirale, also has a branch very close to my office and I eat lunch there several times a week. The food, all of it Italian, is very good, and the new branch in Ayala as the identical menu and prices. This place has, in my opinion, the best pizza in Davao. The second place I noticed is Japanese, and called The Red Kimono. We didn't eat there, but we did go inside and glance at the menu, which features lots of sushi and sashimi in addition to other traditional Japanese dishes. It's quite attractive, and I was told it also does home delivery, which is nice on those nights that you're craving sushi but don't want to go out. The third place is a Chocolatier Café, with a fairly extensive menu. All dishes somehow involve chocolate in the preparation, including the pasta. I'm told by a friend that it's reasonably good; it's certainly very attractive.

There's another new place being constructed next to Don Beppe, the restaurant on the new 5th floor of Gaisano. I've no clue what's going in there, but given that the floor is reserved for "high-end" restaurants, I can always hope.

After another excellent meal last night at Bon Appétit, and with the availabilty of the reliable and good older places like De Bonte Koe and Café, plus the good newer ones like Don Beppe, the range of choice for decent food has increased dramatically.

GE

[Member #4491]

This is music to Barba's ears, GE.

Tsuru has been going down hill for years so another option for Japanese food is extremely welcome.

Some guys complain about regulars not contributing about how to score punani in the Cebu thread, and things got to be even less vibrant in this thread. But there is not much to report about that was not written about 100 times or more. The food scene is more exciting and dynamic than hunting grounds. Malls, Hybrid, Tionko, San Pedro and Plaza Roman. That's about it folks, with a few more exceptions.

Still I am happy to return.

See you, GE and whomever else might be around!

Barba

[GoodEnough]

Barba, we're anxious to see you here. The first night's dinner's on me. We'll go to one of the new places. I understand that every woman in Davao between the ages of 18 and 25 is excited that you're coming back.

GE

[Member #4491]

Gents,

Has anybody been to Samal Island? I will be rolling through Philippines in March. I am done with the Angeles seen.Hello!

I have reported on Samal and Talicud a few times here in the Davao thread. Think something ended up in the ROD section as well. Great island to cruise around on with a bike or and some decent options for a day or over night visit if you are in Davao. There are a lot of resorts and many are simple, but places lie BaliBali and Pearl Farm have a higher class. Compared to Thailand it is not good value. Blue Jazz and Paradise beach is packed most often and boats runs from morning to 5-ish from Lanang. OK food and some entertainment like jetski for 2000-2500 PHP. The ferry from Sasa (north of Davao. Use taxi) lands at Camp Holiday. A "new" but quite simple place where you pay some 1200-1500 for a bungalow or room. The pool is not crystal clear buy still OK most days. Food is totally useless so I advice to take a bike to Babak and buy a barbecued chicken at least. A lot of drunk pinoy on weekends.

Class is always fucked up severely when the wrong people try to do it, so I prefer to visit simple places with a lot of space, a clean beach and a barbecue to tuck a slice of freshly caught tuna on. Isla Reta on Talicud (ferry from St Anna warf at 9 AM and 10 AM) or some of the paces you find when driving along the cost, have this simple yet charming characteristics. The "resort" in Kaputian is convenient and a cheap pinoy alternative with a boat from St Anna warf. If you have a boat or an off road bike, you can find some great beaches with very few people. Bring you own woman if you are only going for a couple of days.

Barba

[Undakovabrotha]

Hello!

I have reported on Samal and Talicud a few times here in the Davao thread. Think something ended up in the ROD section as well. Great island to cruise around on with a bike or and some decent options for a day or over night visit if you are in Davao. There are a lot of resorts and many are simple, but places lie BaliBali and Pearl Farm have a higher class. Compared to Thailand it is not good value. Blue Jazz and Paradise beach is packed most often and boats runs from morning to 5-ish from Lanang. OK food and some entertainment like jetski for 2000-2500 PHP. The ferry from Sasa (north of Davao. Use taxi) lands at Camp Holiday. A "new" but quite simple place where you pay some 1200-1500 for a bungalow or room. The pool is not crystal clear buy still OK most days. Food is totally useless so I advice to take a bike to Babak and buy a barbecued chicken at least. A lot of drunk pinoy on weekends.

Class is always fucked up severely when the wrong people try to do it, so I prefer to visit simple places with a lot of space, a clean beach and a barbecue to tuck a slice of freshly caught tuna on. Isla Reta on Talicud (ferry from St Anna warf at 9 AM and 10 AM) or some of the paces you find when driving along the cost, have this simple yet charming characteristics. The "resort" in Kaputian is convenient and a cheap pinoy alternative with a boat from St Anna warf. If you have a boat or an off road bike, you can find some great beaches with very few people. Bring you own woman if you are only going for a couple of days.

BarbaThanks for the information. Barba

[Stroker Ace88]

Hello!

I have reported on Samal and Talicud a few times here in the Davao thread. [SNIP]Barba,

Some good info and great pics.

[Member #4491]

Barba,

Some good info and great pics.Thank you.

Back in the good old days before they "developed" the bat cave one could go into the cave. Quite intense and with a lot of predators (rats, snakes, cats, giant lizards, etc) eating the old and / or sick bats that fell down on the bat shit. Needless to say, a swim in the sea was required after 1000 000 bats took a dump in your hair.

Hagimit falls also used to be quite untouched. Now they "developed" that as well. Developed as in fucked it all up and built stupid houses and tables for the rice consumption and chit chat. Back in the days there would also be people but mostly just a handful of them. The place was clean and some people even lived in the forest around the falls. Quite funny to have a swim with your babe and then suddenly you would see a face staring at you in the leaves 30-40 meters up. And the local tribe boys would smoke their weed and drink their tuba with no one bitching about it. Simply a great place for natural recreation.

I am hopefully scouting out another water fall on the way from Pinia Plata over the mountain to Kaanan in a couple of weeks, and if anyone is around and have a decent motorbike, it would be good with some company. It sound more dramatic than it is, so no need to be Jacques Cousteau to tag along.

You see some odd things when driving out in the "jungle" like this. Once I saw a boy of some 15-16 years washing himself in an out door shower area just next to the dirt road. He was wearing a tank top and nothing else, and he had a hard on that he soaped very carefully. Two girls that looked to be at least a couple of years younger than him, was sitting just 2 meters away with big eyes and huge smiles on their face. They seemed totally comfortable with me and my girl passing on the bike, and "Hi Joe"-ed us happily us before continuing the exploration of what most likely would become their number one jungle hobby. I think I was the only one that felt embarrassed.

It is not super hard to meet ladies in the villages on Samal if you have some time. Just pass the Muslim areas and go to the Christian places. You are still a bit of a movie star in many of the villages on little Samal. But I should maybe say "to meed A lady" because serial mongering would be harder since these are small societies with the social control that comes with any such place. I remember once driving from Kaputian to Babak to catch the ferry, and this young slim girl with HUGE tits in just a thin white cotton t-shirt walked over the road just in front of me. I drove slowly and could see her jugs rolling and hopping in the t-shirt. Hard nipples and a washed out almost transparent t-shirt. Her tits where perfect and way to big for her tiny body. Instant reaction in my pants. She looked, said Hello, and smiled invitingly, and Barba had one of those male teenage black outs. The ones where you later ask yourself "why the fuck did I not stop and talk to her!". When I managed to get a grip and had turned the bike around to go back, she was consumed by the jungle.

Barba

[KongKing]

Thank you.

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Needless to say, a swim in the sea was required after 1000 000 bats took a dump in your hair.

I am hopefully scouting out another water fall on the way from Pinia Plata over the mountain to Kaanan in a couple of weeks, and if anyone is around and have a decent motorbike, it would be good with some company. It sound more dramatic than it is, so no need to be Jacques Cousteau to tag along.

He was wearing a tank top and nothing else, and he had a hard on that he soaped very carefully. Two girls that looked to be at least a couple of years younger than him, was sitting just 2 meters away with big eyes and huge smiles on their face.

I drove slowly and could see her jugs rolling and hopping in the t-shirt. Hard nipples and a washed out almost transparent t-shirt. Her tits where perfect and way to big for her tiny body. Instant reaction in my pants. She looked, said Hello, and smiled invitingly, and Barba had one of those male teenage black outs. The ones where you later ask yourself "why the fuck did I not stop and talk to her!". When I managed to get a grip and had turned the bike around to go back, she was consumed by the jungle.

BarbaGreat information and wonderful word pictures there Barba.

KongKing

[WestCoast1]

I remember once driving from Kaputian to Babak to catch the ferry, and this young slim girl with HUGE tits in just a thin white cotton t-shirt walked over the road just in front of me. I drove slowly and could see her jugs rolling and hopping in the t-shirt. Hard nipples and a washed out almost transparent t-shirt. Her tits where perfect and way to big for her tiny body. Instant reaction in my pants. She looked, said Hello, and smiled invitingly, and Barba had one of those male teenage black outs. The ones where you later ask yourself "why the fuck did I not stop and talk to her!". When I managed to get a grip and had turned the bike around to go back, she was consumed by the jungle.

BarbaHot DAMN you gave me a stiffie from 8000 miles away! Feel free to post more jungle stories.

[PinoyLover88]

Hi to all seniors, will be travelling to davao in a month time, been reading up this thread, did some homework, like: torres st, many bars and discos, rizal st, rizal promenade, central bank for FL.

Can any seniors help:

Is there any disco for pick up / FL?

Beside central bank is there any other place for FL?

What is the price for the FL (central bank)

So the bars are all in torres st, just like angeles city located near to each other?

Thank you in advance for any seniors help.

[GoodEnough]

Hi to all seniors, will be travelling to davao in a month time, been reading up this thread, did some homework, like: torres st, many bars and discos, rizal st, rizal promenade, central bank for FL.

Can any seniors help:

Is there any disco for pick up / FL?

Beside central bank is there any other place for FL?

What is the price for the FL (central bank)

So the bars are all in torres st, just like angeles city located near to each other?

Thank you in advance for any seniors help.I'm told that the Torres bars are relatively dead now, and that Auto Shop and one or two others are the places to go. Someplace Else on Rizal St. Is also packed every Friday and Saturday night, but I'm hardly an expert anymore on the scene, domesticated as I've become. I suggesst you look up some of Barba's old posts on Davao nightlife as he is truly an expert and has written extensively on many places.

GE

[Red Kilt]

. but I'm hardly an expert anymore on the scene, domesticated as I've become. .Thou doth protesteth too much GE. I gauge there is still a fair bit of life in the old dog yet LOL.

[Member #4491]

pl88, as ge writes it has all been covered here but let me try to answer your questions;

autoshop is named hybrid nowadays and there you can find some working girls if you are lucky. you will always meet social and friendly "normal" girls during the weekends, but as in any country these will necessarily not be impressed by an offer to have sex with you for money. other more subtle techniques will render a better result. try guru on torres also. matina town square can sometimes deliver a few curious poor girls with no money, but do not expect to much. the bars on torres is nothing like how i imagine the angeles scene. you have davao totally wrong if you compare these. as my friend said,"a thai village disco is better than davao on a friday".

you will find sw:s of various quality rep001tered all the way from central bank to and around san pedro. just walk that stretch and you will see. some sporadic sw:s can also be fund around victoria and gaisano at night, but these will most likely be the ones you would not kiss wearing a mares dry suite. on querino you will also see the occasional streetwalkers. it seems that here the number of lb:s is higher, than the number of actual females ready to play for pay.

reward the ladies around 500-1000 php for a st. they will ask for 2000 but bargain.

davao is not the right place for enjoying a sparkling bar scene in the sense where you will find girls that entertain you and rub your cock for an over priced lady drink. davao is a place that you should come to with some numbers and names, or target malls and other locations with a high concentration of young females. prepare to text on your phone more than you would ever imagine possible.

good luck and please report back.

barba

[PinoyLover88]

pl88, as ge writes it has all been covered here but let me try to answer your questions;

autoshop is named hybrid nowadays and there you can find some working girls if you are lucky. you will always meet social and friendly "normal" girls during the weekends, but as in any country these will necessarily not be impressed by an offer to have sex with you for money. other more subtle techniques will render a better result. try guru on torres also. matina town square can sometimes deliver a few curious poor girls with no money, but do not expect to much. the bars on torres is nothing like how i imagine the angeles scene. you have davao totally wrong if you compare these. as my friend said,"a thai village disco is better than davao on a friday".

you will find sw:s of various quality rep001tered all the way from central bank to and around san pedro. just walk that stretch and you will see. some sporadic sw:s can also be fund around victoria and gaisano at night, but these will most likely be the ones you would not kiss wearing a mares dry suite. on querino you will also see the occasional streetwalkers. it seems that here the number of lb:s is higher, than the number of actual females ready to play for pay.

reward the ladies around 500-1000 php for a st. they will ask for 2000 but bargain.

davao is not the right place for enjoying a sparkling bar scene in the sense where you will find girls that entertain you and rub your cock for an over priced lady drink. davao is a place that you should come to with some numbers and names, or target malls and other locations with a high concentration of young females. prepare to text on your phone more than you would ever imagine possible.

good luck and please report back.

barbathank you senior, will do a report after my trip

[GoodEnough]

So today I went to Abreeza (Ayala) Mall to do some shopping, pay a Globe bill and to get a haircut. I like Abreeza because, according to my asawa, it's known now as a "mall for rich people," out of the reach of most Filipinos. Therefore, usually, it's uncrowded, quiet, and, since it's started to attract several higher end retailers, a fairly good place to shop-within the context of Davao.

As I was sitting in the salon, thinking while drinking coffee and getting my hair cut, what a generally civilized and pleasant experience this was; as I was reflectiing that is, on the improvement in ambience over the other malls in this city, the entire building started to shake due to the ear-shattering cacaphony (which passes here for music) from a "dance concert" in the large, open area one floor below. I mean the noise was overwhelming, reverberating off of walls, windows and all other reflective surfaces. I immediately abandoned all further thoughts of shopping ad fled, after my hair cut, through the nearest exit to the outside world that I could find.

Now there were a couple of bewildered thoughts that drifted through my head as I passed the actual source of the dreadful sounds: first, that the 300 or so people standing enthralled by witnessing this crap were spending no money shopping. Second, those attracted by the "free entertainment" didn't look like they had any money to spend, and thus, under normal circumstances, would never have been inside the place. Third, people like me (presumably I wasn't the only one who retreated) who actually did have funds available and came there for the purpose of spending some of them, left rather than expose themselves to the unartistic mayhem.

So my question is of course, what the hell is the point of doing this? The audience is young, poor, and not spending anything. Those with any taste were unimpressed and likely left rather than expose themselves to it. Seems like a net financial loss to the stores and the mall operators.

I will never understand the utter mindlessness associated with commercial activities here. Never.

GE

[Redman69]

They did it for us when we were young and poor. Also kids can get the money from the parents. The older you get the less you spend. That is a known fact. So, they are going after current parents thru the kids. And in 10 years guess who will want a new I-pad. Not me. Hi GE.

[SergeantRay]

As I was sitting in the salon, thinking while drinking coffee and getting my hair cut, what a generally civilized and pleasant experience this was; as I was reflectiing that is, on the improvement in ambience over the other malls in this city, the entire building started to shake due to the ear-shattering cacaphony (which passes here for music) from a "dance concert" in the large, open area one floor below. I mean the noise was overwhelming, reverberating off of walls, windows and all other reflective surfaces. I immediately abandoned all further thoughts of shopping ad fled, after my hair cut, through the nearest exit to the outside world that I could find.

Now there were a couple of bewildered thoughts that drifted through my head as I passed the actual source of the dreadful sounds: first, that the 300 or so people standing enthralled by witnessing this crap were spending no money shopping. Second, those attracted by the "free entertainment" didn't look like they had any money to spend, and thus, under normal circumstances, would never have been inside the place. Third, people like me (presumably I wasn't the only one who retreated) who actually did have funds available and came there for the purpose of spending some of them, left rather than expose themselves to the unartistic mayhem.

I will never understand the utter mindlessness associated with commercial activities here. Never.

GEWhether on the bus, inside a restaurant like Jollibee's, or in a mall, in the Philippines the volume is always turned up to 11. Never mind that the speakers are buzzing, or that there's profanity in the rap song blasting throughout the public bus.

I was flabbergasted when I saw a show at the Cebu SM mall that included in a show for kids, with kids on the stage, a very obvious fat, sloppy, transvestite in a short skirt and fishnet stockings in a lead role. What the whole show was supposed to be, I don't know.

[WestCoast1]

So my question is of course, what the hell is the point of doing this? The audience is young, poor, and not spending anything. Those with any taste were unimpressed and likely left rather than expose themselves to it. Seems like a net financial loss to the stores and the mall operators.

I will never understand the utter mindlessness associated with commercial activities here. Never.

GEInsightful. Right on the money. I've experienced this in several public places, both in several cities in filipines, and also in Jakarta.

However, herein maybe lies part of the problem. I just didn't see it as you saw it, GE. I saw it as a fun activity that attracted a bunch of shoppers. Its not that I stayed very long to enjoy the thing (well, once I did, the music was good). Normally I check it out for a moment, then head out of there like you do, to avoid the noise level (like Sarge says, speakers buzzing from decibel overload). However I just didn't see it as driving my money out of the place. I missed that part, I was probably thinking of my next mall pickup or tonight's 3-some, or grabbing a burger.

If WC can miss it (he has a couple of them-there college deegrees) , then the mall management can miss it also. Consider the culture, and consider what Sarge said about music on jeepneys, malls, and most any public place being played nearly non-stop: the people are in love with music there (more-so than other places). While everyone loves music, pilipinos seem to have it as a national pastime. Live band is everywhere, and loud music in public is a way of life. It so engrained, they aren't about to change the behavior (for any reason?).

As a similar cultural experience elsewhere: mexicans will show up at a public performance to watch it, and, as a group, they will ignore the performers and performance and chat vocally with friends or onlookers through the entire performance. Seems odd, but it happens all the time. An elementary class in the american southwest will be performing its rendition of 'Pocahontas' (or similar) , all the parents will show for the annual performance, and almost all of them will sit and chat with their neighbors while ignoring their own children on stage. The only people paying attention to the play are the handful of non-mexican parents, and the schoolteacher. That's right, you will be in an auditorium of 300-1000 parents (supposedly) watching a play, listening to a cacophony of parents chattering away (the noise is so loud, the players on stage cannot be heard). Its a large social situation, like a block party. Very few people actually came to watch the play. I've experienced this in Mexico also: a live band is playing at an outdoor gathering with a large crowd, and nobody applauds when the band finishes a song (or only a few people applaud) , because they are busy chattering away and ignoring the band. This is accepted culture.

You will not experience this in a place filled with gringos: they pay attention to the performance they came to see. However, this is changing with technology. Now, when people show up to a public performance, they whip out their cell phones to capture the moment. They also txt like crazy. Recently I attended a movie. Even though they run a thing on the screen about silencing your cell phone, various screens light up around the theater during the flick at different times. Some people just can't stop, no matter what. Two different people in the theater at some point turned on their phones, and turned on a movie / video of some kind and watched for a long period of time that vid on their phone screen. Its beyond me why anyone would pay money to see a movie, then watch something else on their phone? The times they are a changin'?

[Fslag338]

I think that whole Abreeza mall can not be anything else than a commercial failure, even without that "music". Unless they import a few thousand well to do people to Davao. I am not a retail expert, but I think that even with only my swim diploma I can calculate almost every business must be losing money there.

I would not be surprised if in not too long time a part of it will be "redesigned" as offices, condo's or whatever can bring in cash / rent.

But what the heck. This is a sex forum and now we are discussing malls. Maybe I should visit a mall forum next time and see what they are talking about there.

)

[Member #4491]

So my question is of course, what the hell is the point of doing this?As someone wise once told me "just because you I have an idea, this isn't necessarily a good idea".

Abreeza management are probably suffering and then they do what many Pinoy (Pinoys?) will do to "develop" anything; look at how the neighbor did it.

Gaisano is just up the road and they will torture you with these kind of brain dead venues weekly. You know all of this GE, but it naturally serves as a strategy for keeping mental sanity to pretend that we are discussing these (believed) states of error, when we in fact reached consensus long ago. Buddy therapy in the Philippines. LOL In any case I totally agree with you and it drives me off the premises within minutes to see either a band or a ladyboy beauty contest taking off.

It would cost some 5000 PHP to evaluate the effect on sales from such a spectacle but I wonder if it was ever done and if so, what this investigation concluded. Maybe the purchase patterns of this culture is just as mystic as these marketing arrangements, thus making us totally inadequate to evaluate the actual consequences. We should collect money here on ISG and launch a study that can be used in the quest to rid the Philippines of sound pollution in malls.

Barba.

[Red Kilt]

In any case I totally agree with you and it drives me off the premises within minutes to see either a band or a ladyboy beauty contest taking off.GoodEnough, Barba.

In all seriousness, why don't you write a letter to the Mall manager or even better, go and see him / her.

When something aggrieves me so much and I cannot see the logic of it I try to change it.

I have already (1) changed the ticketing arrangements in PAL offices in the airport and in Pasay and Ali Mall by pointing out to management the silly procedures that they had in place that were "anti-customer". They listened and changed it. The simple fact was that NOBODY had ever complained until I did, and the managers never noticed.

(2) I advised a barangay captain to put the 3 guys he had working on 3 different holes in the roads to form a "gang" and get each hole repaired in faster time. Result. He listened. 3 holes fixed. (3) A record shop (part of a chain) had installed a bar code reader for purchases but ALSO required a shop assistant to write out receipts using 3 pieces of carbon paper. I wrote a letter to the head office pointing out this redundant and time-wasting activity. Result: Head Office had forgotten to tell staff that the bar code reader supercedes the need to have a paper record. The shop manager was too brain dead to work this out.

These 3 simple examples show me that we CAN make a difference if we go about it in a simple way. I suspect that if GE told the mall manager the effect that the music had on him personally and how it drove him and his pocketful of pesos away then it just might be the very first time this "manager" had even thought about it. If nothing changes or our suggestion is dismissed then by all means we can go on complaining about it (but at least we know that we tried)

[GoodEnough]

GoodEnough, Barba.

In all seriousness, why don't you write a letter to the Mall manager or even better, go and see him / her.

When something aggrieves me so much and I cannot see the logic of it I try to change it.

I have already (1) changed the ticketing arrangements in PAL offices in the airport and in Pasay and Ali Mall by pointing out to management the silly procedures that they had in place that were "anti-customer". They listened and changed it. The simple fact was that NOBODY had ever complained until I did, and the managers never noticed.

(2) I advised a barangay captain to put the 3 guys he had working on 3 different holes in the roads to form a "gang" and get each hole repaired in faster time. Result. He listened. 3 holes fixed. (3) A record shop (part of a chain) had installed a bar code reader for purchases but ALSO required a shop assistant to write out receipts using 3 pieces of carbon paper. I wrote a letter to the head office pointing out this redundant and time-wasting activity. Result: Head Office had forgotten to tell staff that the bar code reader supercedes the need to have a paper record. The shop manager was too brain dead to work this out.

These 3 simple examples show me that we CAN make a difference if we go about it in a simple way. I suspect that if GE told the mall manager the effect that the music had on him personally and how it drove him and his pocketful of pesos away then it just might be the very first time this "manager" had even thought about it. If nothing changes or our suggestion is dismissed then by all means we can go on complaining about it (but at least we know that we tried) Well, RK, you're still a youngster, so you've got plenty of energy to devote yourself to rectifying wrongs. For me, it's simply easier to withdraw. To attempt to change something, you first have to care about it, and there's not much that I care about here. At least not to the extent I would devote my dwindling energy to a quixotic quest. I think that the Ayala Group likely includes some reasonably smart people, so I'll llet them think of it for themselves. I'll focus on more quotidian concerns like making sure by the time I come downstairs in the morning, the house helper has water boiling for my coffee.

On a more productive and positive note, I had dinner last night with a mutual friend of ours, and we shared not only some excellent food, but two very good bottles of French wine--one a Loire Valley and the other a Bordeaux, and by the time the first bottle was gone I had forgotten all about the unpleasantness of the afternoon's experience.

GE

[Member #4491]

"Mall forum" HAHAHA, good one Fslag338.

RK, hats off for doing that. Just like GE I also just walk away and do something else. But of course your strategy is the correct one. It is puzzling that you where the first one to to actually point out these errors, but it is a culture of silence, at least when it comes to speaking your mind.

H.

[WestCoast1]

But what the heck. This is a sex forum and now we are discussing malls. Maybe I should visit a mall forum next time and see what they are talking about there.

) Wasn't aware there were topics related to Davao we weren't supposed to discuss in the Davao forum. If we stick to discussions of finding fresh snatch in Davao, who would bother posting in this forum? Malls, transportation, hotels, restaurants, and beach resorts would seem the normal topics of discussion.

[Sxxxx]

.This is a sex forum and now we are discussing malls. Maybe I should visit a mall forum next time and see what they are talking about there.Moll Forum would be more appropriate, I think.

[Member #4491]

Hi,

I got some question from a member and figured I would post the here instead since the information is of a general character:

Questions:

"Do you know of any short time hotels? I'm familiar with SOGO but none in Davao."

"GE says you're up on the nightlife; any bars you'd recommend for non pros?"

Answers:

Hello, and sorry for the late reply! I did not check ISG in a while. Busy in Davao as always.

You have several ST hotels all over Davao. Jade and Queensland out at times beach, the one behind Plaza Roman on Cabaggio street as well as some other dumps along that street (Cabaggio hotel is maybe the worst of them all) , etc. I think Sampaguita Inn has some ST dump in down town also.

Best place for semi pros on non Saturdays is normally Evibe on Torres street. Saturday Hybrid and the "clubs" in that complex are best. Try the bar just down the road from Hybrid if you like some variation in your beer consumption.

Matina town square can be good, as well Rizal st and the "festival" outside Marco when that one is one. But Evibe is a sure card for pussy.

Have fun!

Barba

[GoodEnough]

Barba my friend, think of it less as a rejection and more in the realm of a challenge that will eventually be met. Next time, the circumstances will be more propitious, and the lady more willing and more relaxed.

[Member #4491]

Barba my friend, think of it less as a rejection and more in the realm of a challenge that will eventually be met. Next time, the circumstances will be more propitious, and the lady more willing and more relaxed.Yups, a challenge it is and thank the gods for the occasional ones that do occur. I am looking forward to continue where we stopped.

B

[Sf Roger]

I've been working DIA lately in anticipation of a spring scuba & 'indoor sightseeing' trip to the PI's, and came across this noteworthy profile for Crystal_22. From her picture, it looks like she's 'open' to a variety of suggestions. I don't know if I'll make it to Davao, but someone might want to follow up with her.

Roger

[Stroker Ace88]

I've been working DIA lately in anticipation of a spring scuba & 'indoor sightseeing' trip to the PI's, and came across this noteworthy profile for Crystal_22. From her picture, it looks like she's 'open' to a variety of suggestions. I don't know if I'll make it to Davao, but someone might want to follow up with her.

RogerNoteworthy? In what way? The profile has no pic, no location info, no description and has been active for only a few weeks.

Possible she deleted her pic and info after she received messages from lurker losers informing her that her profile was posted on ISG.

IMO not a good way for a newbie to say Hello, but whatever.

[Red Kilt]

Yups, a challenge it is and thank the gods for the occasional ones that do occur. I am looking forward to continue where we stopped.

BBarba.

Curiouser and curiouser. I will ask my friend GE for an explanation so that I can get to the "bottom" of this cryptic "tail".

Seems I better haul my ass off to Davao and join you and GE one evening soon.

Good food and wine followed by some challenging exploits sounds like an evening well spent.

[Red Kilt]

I've been working DIA lately in anticipation of a spring scuba & 'indoor sightseeing' trip to the PI's, and came across this noteworthy profile for Crystal_22. From her picture, it looks like she's 'open' to a variety of suggestions. I don't know if I'll make it to Davao, but someone might want to follow up with her.

RogerJust to reiterate what Stroker Ace said Roger. As soon as you mention a profile name on here almost always it gets hidden immediately because everybody jumps on board and, of course, someone will tell her she is a "star" on a chat board. No wonder she cuts and runs.

Lesson:

If you find a worthy prospect, keep it to yourself or share with close friends only.

If you find a scammer or fake pic or ladyboy who is not upfront about it in profile or chat then by all means post his / her name here.

[Sf Roger]

In this case, I had no interest in Crystal_22, due to her location. Thus, I was just 'throwing pink meat' to any and all on the board. However, you are right that it might be better to selectively PM a monger or two with the info on a potential new 'fucklett'. I've appreciated all the useful comments on this board by so many. Perhaps this goes under the,"You scratch my balls, and I'll scratch, Um, no never mind, it ain't my thing."

Roger

[Member #4491]

Barba.

Curiouser and curiouser. I will ask my friend GE for an explanation so that I can get to the "bottom" of this cryptic "tail".

Seems I better haul my ass off to Davao and join you and GE one evening soon.

Good food and wine followed by some challenging exploits sounds like an evening well spent.RK, absolutely. I am not sure when I get to come back, but would be fun if our orbits are in conjunction. I was scheduled for Cebu but since a good friend canceled his trip there and since I had so much fun in Davao, I canceled my stop over. So much to do and so little time, as always. As soon as we move we waste time and money and this time it did not serve a purpose other than switching from on 5 feet female to another. But Barba the perv did miss out on his preggo girl in Cebu, so if any other preggo perv out there read this you are welcome to PM me and take loads of pictures. She is SLIM with decent tits so it will be a good experience if you are into that. Here I go posting about Cebu girls in the Davao thread again. Forgive me once again.

Me and a buddy met what could very well be the worst unpaid wh*re of Davao. Ros* is getting married to a man from Florida and she "does not entertain any suitors". She will however fuck visiting foreigners and let them cum in her vagina several times. And then she will try to fuck their friends, brother sand cousins and fuck with everyone's heads to get even more attention and cock in her little vagina. My friend upgraded from her friend to her, and this was as dramatic as changing her panties. Obviously a great and loyal friend. Such a cute little packet with such a corrupt and degenerated little wh*e mind. In a way one got to love it when girls are so honestly dishonest and hard core hunting for a fool to marry. Amusing to listen to or to see her attempt on the chat (yes she is still trying). I can just laugh at her pretending even when the evidence are there, spitting her in her cute face. She would tell you the sun is green and then call you disrespectful for not treating her like a lady and accepting this "fact". Anyone from Florida who plans to marry Ros, should follow the advice of my friend and get a good divorce attorney already present on the wedding party.

B.

[Sam 14]

This is music to Barba's ears, GE.

Tsuru has been going down hill for years so another option for Japanese food is extremely welcome.

Some guys complain about regulars not contributing about how to score punani in the Cebu thread, and things got to be even less vibrant in this thread. But there is not much to report about that was not written about 100 times or more. The food scene is more exciting and dynamic than hunting grounds. Malls, Hybrid, Tionko, San Pedro and Plaza Roman. That's about it folks, with a few more exceptions.

Still I am happy to return.

See you, GE and whomever else might be around!

BarbaThanks allot for posting that Barba. All my experience has been in Thailand and haven't been to PI yet, so this kind of stuff is real useful.

[Member #4491]

Thanks allot for posting that Barba. All my experience has been in Thailand and haven't been to PI yet, so this kind of stuff is real useful.Welcome,

You will for sure encounter another scene than Thailand in Davao, at least if you did not venture out to the Thai provinces. Davao can be a good place, if you set your expectations right and do your homework. Good luck and please report back, no matter how well or poor you succeed.

Barba

[Member #4491]

http://www.pia.gov.ph/news/index.php?article=1551329890693*

371*French*tourists in the "shopping haven" Aldevinco. LOL!

Barba*

[Red Kilt]

http://www.pia.gov.ph/news/index.php?article=1551329890693

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371*French*tourists in the "shopping haven" Aldevinco. LOL!

Barba*I hope the French male tourists didn't screw any PNG maidens bareback and pollute the Davao pool.

Moresby is a hotbed of disease and it worries me that so many pinoy seamen stop over in PNG as they ply the world's routes (roots?) and then come back home to either wifey, mistress or the local bargirls.

[Member #4491]

I hope the French male tourists didn't screw any PNG maidens bareback and pollute the Davao pool.Mostly Muslims at Aldevinko so I am not sure they will score much there. The Parisians will feel just at home.

There should be an ISG welcome comity with flags and a little orchestra. Who will take charge of organizing this? GE, you have a kind eye to the frog eaters, don't you?

Since this is partially a hotel guide, I want to share some information / spam about the VIP / Privilege club at Marco. I been in a couple of such clubs and I always end up saving more or less pesos. Marco club costs 6500 and gives discounts in the restaurants, one free night and some other discounts. A night in Marco costs 4000 PHP on Agoda, and to save more than 2500 on my meal tabs is not so hard. Maybe not super important for anyone who stays in Marco but neither something that takes a lot of effort and if you dine 2-3 times a day in 1-2 weeks and can save up to 50% on a tab, it can sum up to a nice chunk of pesos that can be spent on for example teenage punani. Last time I bought my membership, there was a desk in the horel but when I inquired some time ago via email they told me to call Marco Polo Privilege Club Office, tel. 6382) 221 0888 ext:7949/7948 (did not cal them yet though).

And no, I am not paid by MP. Just want to share this since MP is the best hotel in Davao, but a bit on the costly side for longer visits.

Barba.

[GoodEnough]

The bad news for the day here in Davao is that almost the entire city will be without water for 36 hours while the crack Davao Water District performs still another of its interminable repairs and "system upgrades." This happens so often-though not usually for so long a period-that you would think the system would by now be state-of-the-art and that man made lakes would dot the landscape due to a surfeit of clean water. The good news is that there are still no power brown outs, though the headlines of the local paper today read "Possible brownout," and the accompanying article goes on to say that Davao is one of the few cities in Mindanao not experiencing rotating losses of power, though it may soon.

The country has only known about the impending power crisis for about a decade, perhaps more. One would think that this would have proved an adequate time for the national brain trust that runs the place to have implemented remedial measures. But this is the Philippines where talking about something usually substitutes for actually doing something about a problem, and so there the country remains, mired in power shortages, with some of the highest electricity rates in Asia, shunned by international investors and tourists alike, but never suffering from a lack of grandiose plans. It's at times like this when it's easy to wallow in the utter hopelessness of this country. What's even sadder is that the expectations of the populace are so low, and the acceptance of total incompetence on the part of the government so high, that concern for the country's plight isn't widespread.

Imagine the economic consequences if a major city in the US were to decide to cut off water for 36 hours. Imagine the consequences for sanitation, for hygiene, for public health. Imagine the consequence for politicians who acquiesced to such a cut-off. Those concerns here don't even rate a mild shrug.

What a country!

GE

[Garry Smith]

I'm planning to Davao city next month, which budget hotel to stay that near or can walk to go go bar like AC.

[Sxxxx]

I'm planning to Davao city next month, which budget hotel to stay that near or can walk to go go bar like AC.There is NO GoGo bar or bars like AC, none whatsoever. There is a very small number of places where girls titillate on stage. It isn't Angeles and it never will be Angeles, its a backwater for sex. Others who promote Davao will disagree but when you go there, file your report, and tell me is it anything resembling Angeles action? I predict your answer will be a resounding no. I am trying to do you a favour. Do not expect too much fast sex from Davao City.

[Member #4491]

I'm planning to Davao city next month, which budget hotel to stay that near or can walk to go go bar like AC.For example MyHotel. The bars sucks.

B.

[GoodEnough]

I'm planning to Davao city next month, which budget hotel to stay that near or can walk to go go bar like AC.I strongly suggest you read some of the excellent posts contributed by Barba over the last couple of years, as these will answer your question. There are no go-go areas in Davao that are anything like AC.

GE

[Stroker Ace88]

I'm planning to Davao city next month, which budget hotel to stay that near or can walk to go go bar like AC.Yikes! The words "budget hotel" means different things to different people so you need to provide more info if you want the senior members here to be able to guide you to a suitable hotel.

-Can you survive with only a fan or do you require aircon?

-What is the price-per-night you want to pay?

-Are you ok with typical local noises like, traffic. 21hr a day drunken and non-drunken karaoke, roosters or do you require silence?

-Are you going to Davao for the bars?

-Do you want a mini refrigerator in your room?

-Have you visited the Philippines before?

-Are you ok to share a CR- comfort room (IE; bathroom) with other hotel guests?

-How many days will you be in Davao?

I echo GE's advice, you need to RTFF and seek out some of the good informative reports from Barba.

[X Man]

Good points Ace. I also wonder what is meant by,". Like AC"? If he meant a bar like AC, he will be disappointed. If he wants a bar he can walk to (like AC) I still have to wonder what in the world he is thinking.

Davao is a great little city to visit, but I would definitely recommend doing the homework. X.


Yikes! The words "budget hotel" means different things to different people so you need to provide more info if you want the senior members here to be able to guide you to a suitable hotel.

-Can you survive with only a fan or do you require aircon?

-What is the price-per-night you want to pay?

-Are you ok with typical local noises like, traffic. 21hr a day drunken and non-drunken karaoke, roosters or do you require silence?

-Are you going to Davao for the bars?

-Do you want a mini refrigerator in your room?

-Have you visited the Philippines before?

-Are you ok to share a CR- comfort room (IE; bathroom) with other hotel guests?

-How many days will you be in Davao?

I echo GE's advice, you need to RTFF and seek out some of the good informative reports from Barba.

[Slippery]

Could be the guy thinks the entire country is like AC. So many guys have traveled to the Philippines and never got of of that town. They think every girl is like a bargirl and can be bought. That got one guy I know of permanently barred from entering the DR. On the other hand, maybe the guy is too lazy to read the Davao thread. A cursory reading would have answered his inquiry.

[Stroker Ace88]

Could be the guy thinks the entire country is like AC. So many guys have traveled to the Philippines and never got of of that town. They think every girl is like a bargirl and can be bought. That got one guy I know of permanently barred from entering the DR. On the other hand, maybe the guy is too lazy to read the Davao thread. A cursory reading would have answered his inquiry.I agree. A regular member will ride in and post some general question then return a week later to scan all the comments and info without putting in any effort to RTFF or thank anyone. A couple of hours spent reading seems to be too much for some and newbies get upset when instructed to RTFF instead of instantly being provided with long and detailed replies.

[X Man]

Good points. I personally do not want anyone to thank me for any information I share. I'd rather they pay it forward.

The first time I posted on the Davao thread, I got called a newbie. Yea, I was a newbie to Davao, but I had already traveled in the Philippines numerous times.

Mr. Smith's question is getting buried. One of the cheaper hotels I've stayed at is the Galleria. Tower Inn is cheap, but the time I looked at a room it smelled like fresh paint, so I didn't stay there. I can dig thru my notes to find more info, but first it would be nice to hear from Mr. Smith. X.


I agree. A regular member will ride in and post some general question then return a week later to scan all the comments and info without putting in any effort to RTFF or thank anyone. A couple of hours spent reading seems to be too much for some and newbies get upset when instructed to RTFF instead of instantly being provided with long and detailed replies.

[Mbsl65]

I am planing to take a trip to Davao. I like to stay in a hotel like Marriott Cebu. Ayala settings like in Cebu. Any recommendations? I prefer upper scale place. Thanks

[GoodEnough]

I am planing to take a trip to Davao. I like to stay in a hotel like Marriott Cebu. Ayala settings like in Cebu. Any recommendations? I prefer upper scale place. ThanksIf you want an up market place, your only viable choice is the Marco Polo. It's billed as a five star (the only one in Davao0, is probably closer to a legitimate four star, but is unquestionably the best hotel in town.

GE

[Mbsl65]

I saw Marco Polo on the hotel list but I like to stay somewhere close to the new mall.


If you want an up market place, your only viable choice is the Marco Polo. It's billed as a five star (the only one in Davao0, is probably closer to a legitimate four star, but is unquestionably the best hotel in town.

GE

[Mbsl65]

AC is very much like the armpit of PI. Honestly, I don't really like going there despite to amount of the choices. Off course IMHO, but poverty turns me off.


Could be the guy thinks the entire country is like AC. So many guys have traveled to the Philippines and never got of of that town. They think every girl is like a bargirl and can be bought. That got one guy I know of permanently barred from entering the DR. On the other hand, maybe the guy is too lazy to read the Davao thread. A cursory reading would have answered his inquiry.

[Stroker Ace88]

If you want an up market place, your only viable choice is the Marco Polo. It's billed as a five star (the only one in Davao0, is probably closer to a legitimate four star, but is unquestionably the best hotel in town.

GE
I saw Marco Polo on the hotel list but I like to stay somewhere close to the new mall.GoodEnough,

Holy crap batman, the guy just dissed your hotel pick, tsk tsk. If Marco Polo is NOT acceptable then I suggest Prince Court. Maybe he will get a 'moon theme' room because he sure is out there di ba. *big-grin smiley*

I second GE's choice. Stay at Marco Polo, but as always in the Philippines it's 'up to you'.

[Red Kilt]

I saw Marco Polo on the hotel list but I like to stay somewhere close to the new mall.Anreeza Mall is only a 60 to 70 peso taxi ride away from Marco Polo anyway in a legitimate taxi.

Why do you need to stay close to Abreeza Mall for heaven's sake? It's just a mall, and not a very good one at that.

I would never stay anywhere but Marco Polo in Davao.

[GoodEnough]

Anreeza Mall is only a 60 to 70 peso taxi ride away from Marco Polo anyway in a legitimate taxi.

Why do you need to stay close to Abreeza Mall for heaven's sake? It's just a mall, and not a very good one at that.

I would never stay anywhere but Marco Polo in Davao.Actually RK, it's becoming a pretty decent mall with an increasing number of higher end shops and very few people. My kind of place, though the restaurant choices continue to disappoint. I agree with the bit about the Marco though. A classy guy like yourself wouldn't be comfortable anywhere else. The other point that perhaps we should make is that there's nothing much around Abreeza, whereas there's a fair amount to do around the Marco. In heavy traffic, Abreeza is about 15 minutes max from Marco Polo so I'm not sure what the controversy it all about.

I'm writing this from Bangkok where I arrived today, and Davao (and the Philippines) are slowly receding into the mists. I'm sure it will all return in ten days when I go back, but for the moment, I just want to revel in Thailand.

GE

[Fslag338]

I would never stay anywhere but Marco Polo in Davao.GE quote " a classy guy like yourself wouldn't be comfortable anywhere else"

What kind of an arrogant postings are these? All the other hotels have roaches? Are for beggars and gypsies?

All people staying anywhere else than the most expensive hotel in town are not "classy"?

I have stayed in quite a few places in Davao. Since I like to try new things and not always go with the herd.

The new pinnacle for instance next to gaisano.

I know many people with a lot of money and very little class. And very erudite and decent people with a small budget.

From my room in the Marco polo.

[GoodEnough]

GE quote " a classy guy like yourself wouldn't be comfortable anywhere else"

What kind of an arrogant postings are these? All the other hotels have roaches? Are for beggars and gypsies?

All people staying anywhere else than the most expensive hotel in town are not "classy"?Actually Fslag, I was being somewhat facetious. In addition, I know RK pretty well, surely well enough to know his likes and dislikes.

I'm not conflating money and class. Like you, I've known many people with lots of money who had no class whatsoever. What I meant was that the Marco offers a level of comfort and service that, as far as I know, can't be found anywhere else in Davao. However, it's been several years since I've stayed in a hotel in Davao, and in the interim, others may have achieved a similar status. You mention the new Pinnacle for example, which looks quite attractive. I don't know anyone who has stayed there, so perhaps you could report on your impressions of it together with an assessment of the price:value ratio. I often mention it to newcomers here, but I don't know anything about it.

I can't of course speak for anyone else. I find that the older I get, the more I appreciate a certain level of comfort and the more important the ambience of where I stay becomes to me. It's not that lesser establishments have "roaches," or that they're dirty or otherwise unwelcoming. I guess we all seek places that meet our personal criteria.

GE

[Red Kilt]

GE quote " a classy guy like yourself wouldn't be comfortable anywhere else"

What kind of an arrogant postings are these? All the other hotels have roaches? Are for beggars and gypsies?Relax Fslag.

GE and I happen to be good friends (mates in Aussie parlance) and he was simply indulging in some innocent banter between friends.

I usually stay at the Marco Polo because my employer is very antsy about security and they require me to stay there because it has a good reputation for security (the President of the Philippines stays there when in Davao). My employer also pays the bill for me.

I am not too particular about where I stay as long as the room is clean, has a big bed (I am rather long) , has a good shower, and has good internet. I also prefer to be close to my place of work as I hate the idea of commuting long distances to an office each day. MP ticks all these boxes.

Don't take random lines that you read in posts too literally. We are all here to have fun.

[Fslag338]

OK fslag is relaxed again. It must have been a misinterpretation then.

The MP is getting better again by the way. After dressing down to the basics (only 1 big towel per person etc) they have brought back many of the nice extras again. The only thing left which really needs to change is that annoying internet policy. 1 user I'd which is only valid for 24 hours and only works for 1 device. And "no sir we can not give you another code for your friend". While almost every middle class hotel offers free wifi. No codes. No hassle. 5 devices if you want. If it was not for those damn roaches I would always stay in a middle class place.

[Wicked Roger]

I can't of course speak for anyone else. I find that the older I get, the more I appreciate a certain level of comfort and the more important the ambience of where I stay becomes to me. It's not that lesser establishments have "roaches," or that they're dirty or otherwise unwelcoming. I guess we all seek places that meet our personal criteria.

GEGE.

Age makes you mellow and more fussy and given your age I can confirm you need more comfort and care. (where are the smileys!)

FS. You are a classy man when compared with others (myself naturally excluded). And you like to impress the cuties so the MP is ideal place. Also the beds are big good for all sorts of games and can handle lots of cuties at the same time. If that is your taste (not mine as you know well)

RK is likely still mulling over the Ashes loss and has yet to recover from the shame! BTW the owners of the Sogos in Manila are worried as their season ticket holder has been away recently!

I always read the Davao thread and this was a fun number of FRs between good friends

[X Man]

338, Please give more info about Pinnacle next to Gaisano (which Gaisano for example).

I haven't been to Davao in a long time. Hope I can make it there again someday. Especially if the old git GE still lives there. He's invited me into his home, introduced me to some very interesting people, including his very charming and lovely lady, and a few other women as well. He's directed me to some great restaurants, and been a long term provider of great information on ISG.

And that says a lot since I'm one of the common folk with absolutely no class, nor money, nor a sense of humor.

C'mon 338, lighten up enjoy the Davao thread. You won't regret it. X.


GE quote " a classy guy like yourself wouldn't be comfortable anywhere else"

What kind of an arrogant postings are these? All the other hotels have roaches? Are for beggars and gypsies?

All people staying anywhere else than the most expensive hotel in town are not "classy"?

I have stayed in quite a few places in Davao. Since I like to try new things and not always go with the herd.

The new pinnacle for instance next to gaisano.

I know many people with a lot of money and very little class. And very erudite and decent people with a small budget.

From my room in the Marco polo.

[Red Kilt]

.

RK is likely still mulling over the Ashes loss and has yet to recover from the shame! BTW the owners of the Sogos in Manila are worried as their season ticket holder has been away recently!

I always read the Davao thread and this was a fun number of FRs between good friendsVery droll WR.

I am glad you have recovered from the anaesthetic and your razor-sharp wit is working again.

SOGOs need not worry. I am back in town and hope to visit my favorite one tomorrow sometime.

X-Man. You forgot to mention the big-ass dog that keeps GE and his lovely lady safe from ANYONE. No way could you ever visit GE uninvited in his own home.

FS. I agree about the complicated internet service in the Marco Polo. For any establishment that sells itself as a business hotel, the internet should be free and unlimited. I have just returned from a working trip in Laos and Cambodia and in each of the 4 hotels in which I stayed (2 were out in the remote provinces) , internet was free and very efficient too.

[Member #4491]

you forgot to mention the big-ass dog that keeps ge and his lovely lady safe from anyone. no way could you ever visit ge uninvited in his own home.makes me hesitant to visit even when i am wanted. i bribe daddy to chain the monster up with expensive red wine. that came out strange. the red wine is used for bribing, not for chaining up the dog. anyway, the black monster is probably a nice big dog, but still i am afraid of him. i used to have a big dog who did some bad shit once (spare me the bitching on this if you feel an itch now) , and after that i have deep respect for any dog that weighs more than my girlfriend. this "respect" of dogs only seems to grow every year. now it also includes horses and cows. maybe it has something to do with control? surrounded by unpredictable and uncontrollable monsters, ready to rip me in pieces. i think it is time to get back up on the horse and buy myself a rottweiler.

trust me, mr 338 is enjoying more than the thread.

and for all you lurkers who consider a visit to davao: this is the town where you will get ass-raped daily. stay in manila. do not believe anyone who says it is good for hunting p*ssy.

b.

[Wicked Roger]

Makes me hesitant to visit even when I am wanted. I bribe daddy to chain the monster up with expensive red wine. That came out strange. The red wine is used for bribing, not for chaining up the dog. Anyway, the black monster is probably a nice big dog, but still I am afraid of him. I used to have a big dog who did some bad shit once (spare me the bitching on this if you feel an itch now) , and after that I have deep

B.Barba.

GE's dog is nice and friendly but maybe sometimes 'over friendly' and it is fun watching the taxi drivers reaction to him when he says hallo them as they arrive. Just keep your bedroom door closed if you stay with GE in case he takes a fancy to something in room (I mean the dog here) LOL

[Member #4491]

If I dress up in bacon he will for sure like me.

Saw that DS will fly in late August. Anyone else planning to visit the provincial pearl in August?

B.

[Member #1453]

If I dress up in bacon he will for sure like me.

Saw that DS will fly in late August. Anyone else planning to visit the provincial pearl in August?

B.Looking to be there in July. Any members in town during July 7-11? Will be happy to meet up, and enjoy.

[Manta Ray]

I'll be visiting Davao for the first time in Aug (16th. 20th) for the Kadayawan Festival. I have already begun the process of initiating contact with a few Davao DIA gals, and so far I have a few possibilities-though of course one never knows what if anything will pan out when the time comes.

Just wondering if any of you have an idea of the Festival schedule and what events I should be aiming to see. Am I right in thinking that the main parade will be on Sunday 19th? I did try to log on to the festival website, but (surprise, surprise!) , it seems devoid of useful info.

As well, If anyone could give me your top 3 things to do in Davao (both day and night!) I'd be very appreciative.

Cheers.

Manta Ray

[Mbsl65]

Be sure that you have an hotel arrangement. I am in Davao right now and staying in Marco Polo. Most of the nice hotels are sold out during the festival according to hotel host.


I'll be visiting Davao for the first time in Aug (16th. 20th) for the Kadayawan Festival. I have already begun the process of initiating contact with a few Davao DIA gals, and so far I have a few possibilities-though of course one never knows what if anything will pan out when the time comes.

Just wondering if any of you have an idea of the Festival schedule and what events I should be aiming to see. Am I right in thinking that the main parade will be on Sunday 19th? I did try to log on to the festival website, but (surprise, surprise!) , it seems devoid of useful info.

As well, If anyone could give me your top 3 things to do in Davao (both day and night!) I'd be very appreciative.

Cheers.

Manta Ray

[Member #4491]

Just wondering if any of you have an idea of the Festival schedule and what events I should be aiming to see. Am I right in thinking that the main parade will be on Sunday 19th? I did try to log on to the festival website, but (surprise, surprise!) , it seems devoid of useful info.

As well, If anyone could give me your top 3 things to do in Davao (both day and night!) I'd be very appreciative.Avoid everything. Just a bunch of red necks coming into town to do nothing but flip flopping around plan-less to kill the boredom of watching the bananas grow. Waste of electricity. If you have to do something during Kadayawan and are here on this site for what the majority are, I suggest you drink red horse and dance with the females. Try Torres, Rizal or just outside Marco if they have the street dressed up in beer commercials.

1. Chase short term pussy.

2. Chase long term pussy.

3. Use a motorbike to roam around Samal with the girls from 2.

These places are frequently mentioned and visited by locals and in some cases by myself:

Eden Nature Park.

Crocodile Park (try the river boat and eat crocodile meat)

Philippine Eagle Center.

Orchid farm.

Davao Wildwater Adventure.

GAP Farm.

Japanese Tunnel.

Davao Museum.

Malagos Garden Resort.

Katibawasan Hot Springs and Falls.

Ardent Hot Springs.

Mount Apo.

Old Cataman Church Ruins.

Lon Wa Temple.

Holy Infant Jesus of Prague Shrine (sounds like this will put anyone to sleep, no matter how jet lagged you are)

San Pedro Cathedral (this as well)

Samal Bat Cave (s)

Hagimit fall and other water falls.

Talicud island (bring snorkel and woman)

Jack's Ridge and the other shit holes up on the hill.

Bowling in the mall.

I found many of them not worth the time.

The fish market in Gensan is semi-interesting.

The mountains outside Calinan are nice in a primitive way if you want to go for a day trip on the bike.

Good surf and beaches in Mati but shit to do there.

MR, you can thank me by sharing contact details to some reliable young P4P girl that you meet and to make an honest and uninflated report about Davao.

Have fun!

B.

[Manta Ray]

Avoid everything. Just a bunch of red necks coming into town to do nothing but flip flopping around plan-less to kill the boredom of watching the bananas grow. Waste of electricity. If you have to do something during Kadayawan and are here on this site for what the majority are, I suggest you drink red horse and dance with the females. Try Torres, Rizal or just outside Marco if they have the street dressed up in beer commercials.

1. Chase short term pussy.

2. Chase long term pussy.

MR, you can thank me by sharing contact details to some reliable young P4P girl that you meet and to make an honest and uninflated report about Davao.

Have fun!

B.Thanks B, for your info. Not exactly a rousing endorsement for the festival, but I'm kinda already committed to go, so I'll just have to make the best of it, particularly with your suggestions 1 and 2! Indeed, I will file a reliable report after the trip. BTW, am thinking of staying at Apo View Hotel (still have rooms available on Agoda). Any thoughts on that, or better same-priced alternatives?

MR

[Member #4491]

Thanks B, for your info. Not exactly a rousing endorsement for the festival, but I'm kinda already committed to go, so I'll just have to make the best of it, particularly with your suggestions 1 and 2! Indeed, I will file a reliable report after the trip. BTW, am thinking of staying at Apo View Hotel (still have rooms available on Agoda). Any thoughts on that, or better same-priced alternatives?

MRI prefer Marco, but Apo is an OK choice also. The big rat in the restaurant sort of put me off once upon a time, but all hotels have their good days and their bad days. The location is good, not to say perfect for Davao "night life". Casa Leticia at Peoples Park is acceptable, but look at the rooms first. The higher priced ones are not always the better ones. I like the presidential suite with the fish. I used to stay in MyHotel in the past sometimes, and it was a good budget hotel. Maybe a bit crowded nowadays, and not sure it is still good value. Pinnacle seems to get bad reviews by most people I talk to. Regency Inn is an old hideout I sometimes used in the past when I wanted to change hotel. Decent value and good staff but no fridge or safe. Grand Mengseng and Royal Mandaya I do not like so much.

https://maps.google.se/maps?q=hotels+davao&ll=7. 133938, 125. 548325&spn=0. 279004, 0.528374&fb=1&gl=se&hq=hotels&hnear=Davao, +Davao+del+Sur, +Davaoregionen, +Filippinerna&t=m&z=12.

B

[Radical Guy]

Grand Mengseng and Royal Mandaya I do not like so much.Do not ever ever EVER stay at Royal Mandaya. It looks great from the outside, but it's a shithole inside. But more to the point, while staying there a couple of years ago with my wife, the faucet handle in the bath tub broke off when I was just turning on the water. I called the front desk to inform them that they needed to send a maintenance man. The manager showed up and accused me of "breaking" the faucet, claiming that I owed 10K pesos to pay for the repair. When I refused, the manager said he would call the police for my "vandalism."

I didn't know whether the manager was bluffing or not, but I didn't want to take the chance. He settled on 5K pesos, which I paid, and immediately checked out and went to the Marco Polo, where I should have stayed in the first place. And now, I won't stay anywhere else in Davao. I'm sure that manager simply pocketed the 5K pesos and simply had maintenance fix the faucet.

RG

[Manta Ray]

Do not ever ever EVER stay at Royal Mandaya. It looks great from the outside, but it's a shithole inside. But more to the point, while staying there a couple of years ago with my wife, the faucet handle in the bath tub broke off when I was just turning on the water. I called the front desk to inform them that they needed to send a maintenance man. The manager showed up and accused me of "breaking" the faucet, claiming that I owed 10K pesos to pay for the repair. When I refused, the manager said he would call the police for my "vandalism."

I didn't know whether the manager was bluffing or not, but I didn't want to take the chance. He settled on 5K pesos, which I paid, and immediately checked out and went to the Marco Polo, where I should have stayed in the first place. And now, I won't stay anywhere else in Davao. I'm sure that manager simply pocketed the 5K pesos and simply had maintenance fix the faucet.

RGThanks B and RG for the hotel heads up. Useful info. I will check again the Agoda prices and if there is not much difference between MP and AV, will take your collective wisdom and stay at MP.

Have started a message volley with a few Davao DIA candidates, so will let you know what happens there.

Manta Ray

[Member #4491]

Thank you for the warning RG. I was there for a couple of night and disliked the place also. Ok Royal Mandaya is forever banned.

B

[Full Count]

I stayed at this hotel, never again. They charged me for use of towels, bath mat. Razor, tooth brush sheets etc. I had an unecpected large bill at check out. Very crooked hotel with an owner as a former police official. So good luck on going to the cops.

[Fslag338]

MR,

If you like chatting with DIA girls, continue. But don't expect too much from it in the real world. I have had many good dates because of DIA in the past, but the quality of girls has diminished seriously in 2 ways: willingness to meet and honesty. There are quite many scammers and time wasters now. TW because they are on DIA for amusement or an ego boost ("how many mails do you have? 71 only? I have 116!") , but have no real intention to meet. The last times I have found it quite a waste of time (time invested versus results). Tagged more or less same story. Probably worse. Other (paid membership) sites give better results.

Or just scan the malls, chat up many girls and let the apples fall from the tree. That has the advantage of no messages, no cams, no maybe we can meet but I have no money stuff etc etc. She IS there, you HAVE met already. Time is limited, girls are not so efficiency is King.

[X Man]

I was relatively happy when I was there a few years ago, but they had a bad habit of putting chemicals in the pool when I most wanted to use the pool. Sad to hear they've gotten worse rather than better. How is it that you know who the owner is? Do you know the name?

Barba, what made you unhappy? Ah, I miss Davao.


I stayed at this hotel, never again. They charged me for use of towels, bath mat. Razor, tooth brush sheets etc. I had an unecpected large bill at check out. Very crooked hotel with an owner as a former police official. So good luck on going to the cops.

[Mbsl65]

I totally agree with you regarding DIA and Tagged. You really need to do your homework before going to Davao.


MR,

If you like chatting with DIA girls, continue. But don't expect too much from it in the real world. I have had many good dates because of DIA in the past, but the quality of girls has diminished seriously in 2 ways: willingness to meet and honesty. There are quite many scammers and time wasters now. TW because they are on DIA for amusement or an ego boost ("how many mails do you have? 71 only? I have 116!") , but have no real intention to meet. The last times I have found it quite a waste of time (time invested versus results). Tagged more or less same story. Probably worse. Other (paid membership) sites give better results.

Or just scan the malls, chat up many girls and let the apples fall from the tree. That has the advantage of no messages, no cams, no maybe we can meet but I have no money stuff etc etc. She IS there, you HAVE met already. Time is limited, girls are not so efficiency is King.

[Member #4491]

Barba, what made you unhappy? Ah, I miss Davao.It was some years ago, but as I remember I felt like I was living in some sort of weird clinic for the old wannabees of Davao. Old conservative people with an attitude of entitlement and arrogance. Some of the staff acted the same. Pretentious people can go fuck themselves in their lives filled of lies.

I have a ticket to Davao in some weeks but not sure if I miss it enough yet.

B.

[Manta Ray]

I totally agree with you regarding DIA and Tagged. You really need to do your homework before going to Davao.Yes, I agree that the free sites like DIA and Tagged can be frustrating. When I was living in Manila 2009-2010 I had a lot of success with DIA, but it also took an enormous amount of time, energy, logistics and discipline to weed out all the scammers and fakes-and even after that expenditure I still had my fare share of failed dates.

This will be a four day trip in the midst of a five week stay in Manila, where I do have a few play friends available. I am therefore taking a rather philosophical view of the possibilities in Davao. I will keep up my messaging with the few DIA gals I have already contacted, and text them when I am there, but will have few if any expectations.

Thanks for the input!

MR

[Red Kilt]

This will be a four day trip in the midst of a five week stay in Manila, where I do have a few play friends available. I am therefore taking a rather philosophical view of the possibilities in Davao. I will keep up my messaging with the few DIA gals I have already contacted, and text them when I am there, but will have few if any expectations.Go for it MR.

You and I both know how DIA works, and I can assure you that some of your DIA contacts WILL come through (like they have for me) and like they have for you in the past.

Ignore the naysayers.

I know you are doing the appropriate due diligence so you will be rewarded.

Step up your contact rate as your trip gets nearer. There are many new ones coming on line every day.

The trip to Davao for Kidayawan will be worth while alone.

[JohnnyO52]

Hi guys,

Sure wish I was there now. I found a girl on DIA and had luck with all four that I contacted. I was being flirty with an A C M girl and almost stayed my entire trip with her. She was so hot, English was awesome and a fantastic personality. Did I mention she is a nymph. On my next trip there in November we are going to hook up again. I hope we (I) don't fall in love with her, but I guess there could be worse things. We stayed at the Shangri-la in Cebu. A blast was had by both and I need to come home to get some rest. Wow, what a hottie. Sure wish time would fly by a little quicker now.


Go for it MR.

You and I both know how DIA works, and I can assure you that some of your DIA contacts WILL come through (like they have for me) and like they have for you in the past.

Ignore the naysayers.

I know you are doing the appropriate due diligence so you will be rewarded.

Step up your contact rate as your trip gets nearer. There are many new ones coming on line every day.

The trip to Davao for Kidayawan will be worth while alone.

[Golfinho]

Go for it MR.

You and I both know how DIA works, and I can assure you that some of your DIA contacts WILL come through (like they have for me) and like they have for you in the past.

Ignore the naysayers.Increasing number of best-looking quality girls now saying 'no player, honest only, no liars, no cam'. Etc.

Skip these naysayers completely, save yourself some time.

[Mbsl65]

My Davao girl was an oversexed one too. I am glad I left after 5 days before she killed me. Last night my stay there I had to make an excuse to stay alone to have a rest.


Hi guys,

Sure wish I was there now. I found a girl on DIA and had luck with all four that I contacted. I was being flirty with an A C M girl and almost stayed my entire trip with her. She was so hot, English was awesome and a fantastic personality. Did I mention she is a nymph. On my next trip there in November we are going to hook up again. I hope we (I) don't fall in love with her, but I guess there could be worse things. We stayed at the Shangri-la in Cebu. A blast was had by both and I need to come home to get some rest. Wow, what a hottie. Sure wish time would fly by a little quicker now.

[Manta Ray]

Go for it MR.

You and I both know how DIA works, and I can assure you that some of your DIA contacts WILL come through (like they have for me) and like they have for you in the past.

Ignore the naysayers.

I know you are doing the appropriate due diligence so you will be rewarded.

Step up your contact rate as your trip gets nearer. There are many new ones coming on line every day.

The trip to Davao for Kidayawan will be worth while alone.Thanks for the positive reinforcement Johnny and RK. Yes, due diligence viz-a-viz the process, balanced by minimal expectations viz-a-viz the outcome. Very zen!

MR

[Wicked Roger]

Yes, I agree that the free sites like DIA and Tagged can be frustrating. When I was living in Manila 2009-2010 I had a lot of success with DIA, but it also took an enormous amount of time, energy, logistics and discipline to weed out all the scammers and fakes-and even after that expenditure I still had my fare share of failed dates.

This will be a four day trip in the midst of a five week stay in Manila, where I do have a few play friends available. I am therefore taking a rather philosophical view of the possibilities in Davao. I will keep up my messaging with the few DIA gals I have already contacted, and text them when I am there, but will have few if any expectations.

Thanks for the input!

MRI agree MR it takes time and energy as well as patience and some don't have all that combined at the same time. Many on this board seem unable to grasp this fact and is disappointing to read what I consider to be inane and uneducated FRs on the subject. A good mate was negative at first until I explain the 'rules' now he loves DIA and the other sites, he is just patient and works at it.

But then we have don't that and got the t shrit (as has RK). And cebu hottie is also waiting to meet you again (and also RK as he is in need of peach therapy LOL).

[Manta Ray]

I agree MR it takes time and energy as well as patience and some don't have all that combined at the same time. Many on this board seem unable to grasp this fact and is disappointing to read what I consider to be inane and uneducated FRs on the subject. A good mate was negative at first until I explain the 'rules' now he loves DIA and the other sites, he is just patient and works at it.

But then we have don't that and got the t shrit (as has RK). And cebu hottie is also waiting to meet you again (and also RK as he is in need of peach therapy LOL).Ooh la la, peach therapy with Cebu Hottie. Yes, looking forward to that!

MR

[Red Kilt]

Ooh la la, peach therapy with Cebu Hottie. Yes, looking forward to that!

MRI hope I get there first. Once you taste the best, forget the rest.

Joke MR. WRs Cebu peach has more than enough to go around.

BTW Golfinho, my use of the word "naysayers" in an earlier post was directed at the naysayers on this board who reckon DIA is a waste of time. Several of us have already suggested in various places that you totally IGNORE profile references to 'no player, honest only, no liars, no cam, God-fearing, want serious only etc etc' and send a sensible straightforward message anyway saying something like "sorry but I am looking for friends only and it's Ok about the cam" or something like that.

The odds that she will reply with an "It's OK; let's be friends" are very high.

Chances are that she didn't even write the profile (this happens a lot) or she just copied it from someone else without understanding what it meant.

I even contacted one girl who actually turned out to be using her sister's profile (WTF) so EVERYTHING on the profile was wrong. She was also very naughty but you could never know that from her profile (which was her demure sisters hehe)

As WR and Frenzy and others say; this messing around on DIA doesn't suit everybody and is only good for those guys with patience.

If any guy has time limits and wants to cut straight to the chase, sites like DIA are not much use for that unless you are happy to get heaps of NOs using a blunt approach but one or two YESs that make up for it

[Member #4491]

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/davao/local-news/2012/07/11/carnapper-3-robbery-suspects-killed-231315

And these where only suspects.

My two cents on DIA and Tagged is that it is only worth the work if you either have a lot of free time or work in front of the computer and can do it on your second monitor. Davao is more suited for guys with either time to line up a large amount of girls since many will just be disappointments, or the ambition to meet one or a couple of girls for a more long term solution of some sort. I am not saying it is hard to meet females, but it is not the cake walk from "hi" to her lips around you see*ck as I experienced for example Cebu to be. Girls in Davao are often dirt poor so they can not travel, and many families are conservative and want to protect that little valuable p*ssy for the right provider. Strip-bars in Davao sucks. They are dirty, dark and just useless even if you compare to CDO. Some of the girls in the Hot Legs establishments might show her teeth to you in something that is emulating a smile, but she will have a little beer belly to go with her yellow teeth. I challenge anyone that visited these bars to share information about a girl that would actually qualify in a better bar in Phuket, Pattay, Angeles, Manila or Cebu. Sure they will make you cum if you take them backstage and stick your see*cok in them, but forget the petit Asian porn star teenagers you masturbated to before getting on the plane. The street worker scene can still provide one or two decent girls if you have a taxi to drive you around Tionko and the streets in that vicinity. It was a bit more vibrant some years ago when for example mamasan Nita had 8-10 cute girls lined up every night, and two-three where VERY nice. This was about the same time as the night life in Davao was flourishing. Maybe these new investments can get the city back in fun mode, but I can imagine that it takes more than a few hundred builders with filled pockets, to compensate for the lost balikbayan cash.

Barba's opinion on Davao is that it is best for a man that wants to meet one or a couple of females for sex, beach trips to "resorts" of the simpler kind (simple = good IMHO) , some sight seeing to places that sucks in compassion to what you probably have seen in any other country and maybe a few drinks and some dancing on Friday or Saturday. If you go to Davao with these ambitions and expectations, you will enjoy the place.

Do NOT go to Davao for;

- luxury outside Marco Polo, and even inside MP it is not so convincing at times,

- good food in the sense where you can choose a new restaurant every other day and still be happy,

- nightlife that amounts to more than a village disco in most other countries you have been to,

- a drink after 1 AM,

- morning sex with teenagers, because it is a pain to arrange unless you just have the same girl all the time,

- a quality P4P scene, either in bars, streets or as a result of you chasing the hoes online.

Now having shared yet another reality check, I do want to finish by writing that I love to visit Davao for a week or two, every now and then. Life is simple there, and the sun is warm. Sometimes the boredom gets to me, especially at night, and I ask myself why I am there, but life can be like that anywhere. And when little L, B, R, K or M are arching in front of me, inviting me to their little tight honey cave, it is all forgiven and forgotten.

I regularly get PM:s from people that want me to share contacts in Davao, but as a logical consequence of the way Davao works, the girls are either girlfriends or ugly P4P girls that I do not want to share. The pretty P4P girls left, and the semi pros that are willing to fuck around the tourists pool are quite few. In addition people, with a few exception, ever return the favor. I have some reliable girls I can refer to people who are visiting, but lease include some numbers and links to verified profiles, if you do choose to PM me about contacts in Davao.

I'll be back in some weeks, unless I head to Ukraine or Belarus instead.

B.

[BillToBill]

I will be moving to Davao late 2012 early 2013. (Based on sale of my condo here in USA.)

I intend to rent a 2 bedroom unit at the White Mansion hotel for 2 months in the Rolling Hills section of Davao, Is anyone familiar with this hotel?

I can get a 2 bedroom unit for 35, 000 php a month.

I will be getting an SRRV visa and will be able to purchase a condo in my name, or anywhere in my wifes name. (She is filipina.) Anyone have a recommendation on where to buy a condo, town home or home.

I might ship a few balikayan boxes with books, China, etc to myself before I depart. I understand it takes around 2 months for delivery so I should have my srrv by the time they arrive (So shipment should be duty free). Has anyone done this?

I have visited the Philippines 4 times in the past 2 years, during my last visit which was for 2 months I spent a wek in Davao and found the city to be clean, friendly and safe.

[GoodEnough]

I will be moving to Davao late 2012 early 2013. (Based on sale of my condo here in USA.)

I intend to rent a 2 bedroom unit at the White Mansion hotel for 2 months in the Rolling Hills section of Davao, Is anyone familiar with this hotel?

I can get a 2 bedroom unit for 35, 000 php a month.

I will be getting an SRRV visa and will be able to purchase a condo in my name, or anywhere in my wifes name. (She is filipina.) Anyone have a recommendation on where to buy a condo, town home or home.

I might ship a few balikayan boxes with books, China, etc to myself before I depart. I understand it takes around 2 months for delivery so I should have my srrv by the time they arrive (So shipment should be duty free). Has anyone done this?

I have visited the Philippines 4 times in the past 2 years, during my last visit which was for 2 months I spent a wek in Davao and found the city to be clean, friendly and safe.I started to write another response to this, and it suddently disappeared into the cyber void. Now it's late and I'm too tired to re-create what I said in my original post. Succinctly though, this is a great place to live. I've been here for 9 years and will likely stay. It's clean, safe and well managed. My only complaint is that the city is growing so rapidly, with an incredibly rapid expansion of its economy, that the traffice is becoming ever worse as the transport infrastructure isn't even close to keeping up with the expanding business sector. Driving is becoming ever more of a challenge.

I've never been inside White Mansions, though it's quite close to where I live. It probably wouldn't be my first choice for a short-term rental since it's a bit far from Bakaka Road and thus finding transportation when you need it might be a problem. On the other hand, if you plan to buy a car, the location won't be an issue.

The SRRV process is smooth, uncomplicated and (believe it or not) reasonably efficient. You shouldn't have any problems. As my "special" visa will expire the end of next month, I'm going to go the same route, though I'll probably get it done in Manila since government-related permits seems to move more quickly there.

If you've got any specific questions about living here and / or where to find stuff, please don't hesitate to drop me a PM.

GE

[BillToBill]

I have received competitive quotes from both hotels for a two month stay in a 2 bedroom unit. Any input on either hotel or oth hotels would be appreciated.

[GoodEnough]

Last night I had the pleasure of joining another ISG member and his lady at Don Beppe, high atop the newly-built fourth floor of Gaisano Mall. I hadn't eaten there in a couple of months and I had forgotten how much fun the place can be. Not only is the food quite good, but the geniality of Nino the owner, plus a couple of bottles of a nice, solid Primativo amplified the enjoyment.

While waiting for my friend, Nino, my lady and I shared a glass on the outside terrace, and he described his new upscale restaurant that will open in the new SM Mall on Lanang Road, sometime in mid-October. He said that the new place will include a piano bar and will feature a full Italian menu. He also mentioned that he expects to attract a substantial portion of his clientele from the new Regency Hotel (a five star he believes) that will open within the mall complex. So, it appears that Davao soon be gaining both another upscale restaurant and perhaps a five start hotel that may offer some first-time competition to the Marco Polo.

On a related subject, my friend and fellow ISG member said that he had recently tried the newish Pinnacle Hotel during this trip, and that it was "awful," with rooms that smelled of mold and a facility that it obviously dteriorating. Given that the hotel has only been operational for a couple of years, I was somewhat surprised to hear the physical plan had fallen so far so fast. He did say that the staff members were quite pleasant, but evidently this was not enough to counterbalance the poor quality of the room. He said he'll never stay there again, and this is a man of excellent tastes so he knows what he's talking about.

The folks who own Bon Appétit, my favorite restaurant in Davao, are also opening a new place right next to Don Beppe's in Gaisano. Yves, the owner of the restaurant, said it will be a true French Bistro and furnished as such. Given the excellence of the cuisine at the original restaurant, I assume that the new place will be equally good though it will not have the same extensive range of French dishes on offer.

GE

[X Man]

Bill, In the interest of sharing, could you tell us what the competitive quotes were?

GE, thanks for the restaurant reviews. I have to find time for another Davao trip one of these days. X


I have received competitive quotes from both hotels for a two month stay in a 2 bedroom unit. Any input on either hotel or oth hotels would be appreciated.

[BillToBill]

Bill, In the interest of sharing, could you tell us what the competitive quotes were?

GE, thanks for the restaurant reviews. I have to find time for another Davao trip one of these days. XWhite Mansion was 35, 00 / month, Red Knight Gardens 43, 000 both for 2 bedroom suite. Red knight includes utilities, white mansion does not.

[Mbsl65]

If you like seafood, Ranchera on top of the Abereza Mall is a great choice.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough; 1317701]Last night I had the pleasure of joining another ISG member and his lady at Don Beppe, high atop the newly-built fourth floor of Gaisano Mall. I hadn't eaten there in a couple of months and I had forgotten how much fun the place can be. Not only is the food quite good, but the geniality of Nino the owner, plus a couple of bottles of a nice, solid Primativo amplified the enjoyment.]

[BillToBill]

Sorry for all my questions, can I, a us citizen send balikbayan boxes to filipina gf duty free.

We will marry later this year. I will also get srrv later this year. Do I have to wait until I have srrv before sending anything?

[Member #4491]

White Mansion was 35, 00 / month, Red Knight Gardens 43, 000 both for 2 bedroom suite. Red knight includes utilities, white mansion does not.For that price you might also want to consider a house or condo. You will normally find some on these sites:

http://www.ayosdito.ph/ (click on the Davao region)

http://www.davaosale.com/

Casa Ruby also has (had) one or two town houses. Decent location IMHO. Think it started at 45K a month last time I checked a couple of years back.

http://casarubydavao.com/

I used to have a flat in Davao for under 10K a month. Nothing fancy but clean and safe in the middle of everything.

Here is a little hole for 3500 PHH.

http://www.ayosdito.ph/Apartment+in+Davao-4016858. Htm.

Gives you perspective.

Or why not a house in Maa for 20K a month?

http://www.ayosdito.ph/HOUSE+at+VILLA+AZALEA+MAA-4029618. Htm.

I have looked at some short term rent condos in the past that was around 20-30K a month, with access to a pool area.

To send duty free balikbayan boxes to your future wife I know nothing about, but I know a few guys married to locals and they where all taxed when bringing in containers, unless they bribed someone. If you go for a container, I have been told it is cheaper and easier to send it to Gensan and have it trucked up to Davao, but can not help you with the specifics because I forgot both the "why" and the "how".

Good luck with your move to Davao!

B.

[MrHombre]

Sorry for all my questions, can I, a us citizen send balikbayan boxes to filipina gf duty free.

We will marry later this year. I will also get srrv later this year. Do I have to wait until I have srrv before sending anything?I've sent a half dozen boxes myself. I'm a US citizen. You list what's inside the box (don't tell them about electronics, LOL) and send it off. I've never been bothered by any sort of customs duty. The box sails through to the Phils address. It strikes me that the Phils government is allowing this as a favor to their offshore workers, not checking at all as to who is doing the sending, and rarely opening a box to poke through to see what is there.

[GoodEnough]

I had forgotten about Casa Ruby. Surely the location is a nice alternative to either Road Knight or Whie Mansions though it's cloder to White Mansions. It's probably more accessible to the downtown area and a shorter taxi ride.

GE

[BillToBill]

I have only spent a week in davao, that is why I think it is prudent to possibly over pay for two months before signing a lease or PURCHASE.

[Pip Jaeger]

i've been "off the grid" for a while attending to some personal matters and i deeply apologize for my delay in posting this. i wanted to say thanks to ge for taking the time to meet me on two occasions. and for providing a lot of very useful information about davao as well as living in the philippines in general. ge, both you and your lady are wonderful people and i look forward to getting together with you again.

although davao may not be the "mongering capital" of the philippines, i think it would be a great place to retire to. even walking around in the middle of the night i felt completely safe and the people there are very friendly.

i stayed at the drifters. a nice place, but a bit far from everything. you can rent a motor bike from them for about 300php per day, but even though i am an experienced motor cycle rider, i did not feel confident enough to brave the lunatic drivers there.

bert, the owner of drifters, happened to be in town and he too provided a lot of useful info about davao. i also met up with quite a few expats who visit the pub or stop by for breakfast / lunch. they too were a good source of info.

the drifters is a small "apar-tel" type hotel. i stayed in a large room with a kitchenette and a large bathroom. there's a small in roof safe and good free wi-fi service. the furniture's a bit dated, but the room was very clean and the bed was large and comfortable. cost was 1, 750php per night (they will provide a discount for longer stays, it depends on your length of stay and which room you are in, but it's about 300 to 500php per night). i did eat most of my meals there, although the food was a bit expensive it was very good. the staff was very friendly and helpful. no problems bringing in guests, but as usual i did book the room for 2 pax.

i had contacted a few dia girls before my visit. unlike cebu and manila (where there's quite a few scammers and no shows) , all 4 girls i contacted via text when i was there replied. i was only able to meet up with one of them due to time constraints (i was only in davao for 4 days) , logistics and auntie flo. one girl was visiting her family out in a province and could not return, another was being visited by auntie flo, the third thought her pussy was made of gold (she wanted 5, 000php plus dinner and jewelry for one pop and 8k to stay overnight!) , but the fourth one came through.

she was a very hot 26 year old who i will call anna. even though i had seen her on cam i was taken aback by her beauty when we finally met in person. she was the tallest girl i met while i was there. almost 5'8", but she weighed in at about 42-43kgs; her hips were narrower than many of the 4'11" spinners i had already met. that was one thing i did notice in davao, a lot of tall girls. anna proudly sported a nice set of c cups, a 1000 watt smile, full sensual lips and a wide mouth; which i had already dreamed about. she didn't disappoint me!

like a lot of the girls i met there she proclaimed to be shy at first, but that soon wore off. after a nice dinner and some great conversation we went back to the room and took a shower together. we got each other warmed up (although i was pretty much there already as soon i first seen her). after plenty of kissing and fondling in the shower we toweled each other off, hopped into bed and i dove right into a naturally hairless pussy. she was already very wet, and not from the shower, so it didn't take much tongue action until she had her first orgasm. and man did it feel good to have those long legs wrapped around my shoulders. she was actually able to rub my back with her feet while i went down on her.

anna was one of those girls who gets very sensitive and needs a short break after she has an intense orgasm. it was kind of funny because i kept teasing her. i would lightly lick her clit and she would jump almost a foot off the bed and giggle like a teenager. we were both laughing so hard i thought bert would come knocking at the door and tell us to keep the noise down.

after we cuddled a bit we moved to a sideways 69 and we both just licked and played with each other for quite a while. i was careful not get her off again too soon, i would get her close and then move to just kissing her inner thighs or pubic mound. as i said earlier, i was not disappointed with her oral skills, one of the best bj's i had while i was there. very soft and sensual, no problems with deep throating and at times she would just lick my cock like a lollipop. anna was totally into sucking cock and i nearly came a few times.

i got her very close to cumming for about the fifth or sixth time when she finally begged me to finish her off and let her cum again. so we switched around into cowgirl and i still have a perfect vision of her face as she slowly lowered herself down onto me. we started off slow, with her leaning forward and deeply french kissing me, but soon she was riding me like a bucking bronco. within a few minutes i felt her tighten up and she came again; her juices running down and saturating me. anna just sat there for a minute with her eyes closed and a look of total joy on her face. after she kissed me again for a little bit she started to ride me again. i reached down and started to rub her clit at the same time; and although she jumped a little at first, she told me not to stop. it wasn't long before she had another orgasm, but not as intense as the first two.

we switched around to a few other positions and in between i continued to eat her and she sucked me. i lost count of how many times she came, but the sheets were soaked and my face was dripping with her cum. when i finally couldn't hold back any more i told her i was getting close; we were going at it k-9 then. anna abruptly pulled forward, turned around and finished me off with her mouth. after i came in her mouth she eagerly swallowed my load, simply fell back onto the bed and licked her lips a few times. no mouth wash for this girl! i fell down next to her and she promptly snuggled up close to me and draped one of those wonderfully long legs across my mine. within minutes we were both fast asleep.

around 5am i woke up to her mouth engulfing my cock. she took a brief break to give me a deep "good morning honey ko" kiss and then resumed her ministration to my aching cock. i got her to spin around so i could eat her. true to form she came in a few minutes, barely breaking her oral rhythm on me. but as soon she came, and after i sucked out her cum, she again spun around so that she was kneeling between my legs. what a sight. she was getting me close to cumming and i asked her if she wanted to climb on top of me and have sex. she merely shook her head a little and mumbled "no, want my cream". who am i to argue? it wasn't long before i gave it to her; after she swallowed the last drop she gave me a huge smile and said " thanks, can i have some coffee, no cream, i already got that!". at which we were both laughing again like two little kids. after cuddling a for a little while she got up to take a shower as she had to leave early to go to work. i made her a cup of coffee, black of course.

and oh, the best part; anna was a freebie, she told me ahead of time that she was not "a prostitute", she wouldn't even take taxi fare and she started to get really upset when she caught me trying to put some pesos into her pocket. a true gfe that i will definately repeat.

[Pip Jaeger]

White Mansion was 35, 00 / month, Red Knight Gardens 43, 000 both for 2 bedroom suite. Red knight includes utilities, white mansion does not.Bill,

During my visit to Davao this past June I checked out Red Knight Gardens, based on info I about it from GE, as I was looking for some alternatives for a longer stay in the future. It wasn't bad, nicely kept grounds and pool area. I was shown a one bedroom studio that appeared to be newly renovated. It reminded me of any generic apartment that you'd find in the states. Entry into the living room, separate bedroom off to one side, small kitchen and bathroom off to the other side in front of the living room. The furniture looked comfy, but the bed was your typical 4" foam type mattress. Small metal box in a closet that acted as a room safe, you have to add your own padlock (hasp only big enough to accommodate a luggage type lock).24 hour security and like Drifters, they are located in a private gated community. I was quoted 40, 000 php per month; taxes, WiFi and utilities included.

Some drawbacks I noted were that they do not have a generator and as they are located in a community adjacent to the Drifters so you'd have the same problem of logistics; taxis to get to everywhere, about 150php to the downtown area and shopping malls. There are a few small "sari-sari" type stores within walking distance of both Red Knight and Drifters; at one place I went into I noticed that "Poreigner" pricing rules are in effect, LOL.

BTW, there's a bit of a battle for business going on between these two places, so disregard some of the obvious negative reviews about Drifters on Trip Advisor. Bert told me that he's working with them to get the reviews verified, but I haven't bothered to see if they've been pulled yet.

Some other resources I came across for renting furnished / unfurnished apartments, condos, and houses are:

Olx. Com. Ph.

http://davaocity.olx.com.ph/nf/houses-apartments-for-rent-cat-363/-furnished_yes

And:

Sulit. Com. Ph.

http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view

+classifieds / I'd / 5993051 / Apartment+and+Condominium+For+Rent? Event=Search+Ranking, Position. 1-1, 1.

I can't testify to either site as I've only window shopped at them, but I like OLX's format. They usually have a Google map link to the properties and you can specify furnished or not.

Good hunting and let us know how you make out.

Regards, PJ

[GoodEnough]

I've been "off the grid" for a while attending to some personal matters and I deeply apologize for my delay in posting this. I wanted to say thanks to GE for taking the time to meet me on two occasions. And for providing a lot of very useful information about Davao as well as living in the Philippines in general. GE, both you and your lady are wonderful people and I look forward to getting together with you again.Surely no need to apologize to me. We enjoyed meeting you, and look forward to your next visit. I'm glad you had such a good experience in Davao.

GE

[Jambo]

Hotels:

Apo View. I stayed here, its quite nice. Restaurant and coffee shop. WiFi works on and off. Room was quiet. Safe in room. TV with satellite. Staff pleasant and helpful. They throw a lot of wedding banquets here and you can get a look at what rich pinays look like. I was paying 3, 800p breakfast included booked through Agoda. Com. They offered a cash discount of 3, 300 no bfast. There are many restaurants near here, and the People's Park, and you can walk to other places. There is a casino here, pool, outdoor garden, and a small club.

http://www.apoview.com

Residence Inn. If you need basic, I checked this place out. Its more like a dormitory, but the doors were secure and the toilets clean. Hot water, cable tv, air con. Wifi in the hallway. Standard room (twin beds for 2) 700p, Superior room (for 3) 1100p. There is an internet cafe nearby. Also this is next to Gaisano Mall and across from a college. De Guzman Street, fronting San Pedro College. Cell # 0917-5684720 Facebook: palmresidenceinn 'at' ymail. Com.

Regency Inn. Down the road from Marco Polo. Someone here complained about it. I walked in, looks pretty nice. Cafe, restaurant and a big lobby. Key card rooms and wifi. Single standard 1, 300p, Double Deluxe 1, 500p, Suite 3, 000p. Villa Abrille Street.

http://www.regencyinndavao.com

Casa de Habana. Another cheap alternative. Its in the restaurant courtyard on Rizal street. Air con, wifi, shower. Single 750p, deluxe 1, 100 but I would not expect it to be girl friendly. Maybe, but you got to walk right past the receptionist to go upstairs. Well maybe take a deluxe and tell them your wife is coming later. Up to you.

Waterfront Insular."Grandeur Awaits". Resort hotel with the only beachfront in Davao. Its not much of a beach! Big pool, kiddie pool, and whirlpool. Several restaurants etc. Don't bring outside food to the pool. Its about 20 min drive north of Abreeza Mall. I saw not much to walk to outside the hotel, however there is a restaurant on a pier next door that looked inviting. Rates include buffet breakfast: Standard $87 USD, Deluxe $105 and on up.

http://www.waterfronthotels.com.ph

Urban Lifestyle Hotel. Going up next to the Abreeza Mall. If you like Abreeza this would be worth checking out, but other than the mall I don't think there is much nearby you would want to walk to. I am guessing it may be completed late 2012?

Mariott Hotel. Supposed to be going up next to the being-built SM City mall.

Casa Leticia. I hear a lot about this. One is near Apo View and another is across the river to the South. Web site says Superior Double for 2000p.

http://casaleticia.com

Travel.

Taxis: airport to Apo View downtown 140p on the meter. A guard takes your name at the airport exit. I suspect that is to keep the taxi from kidnapping you! None of the taxi's gave me any shit, but they annoy the hell out of me with their "do you want a cab" beeping. My driver from the airport felt the need to beep at all of his friends on the way in. Ugh I was told the large black taxi vans have GPS maps.

There are no motorcycle or pedal taxi's downtown. Also there are no Buses downtown also.

The bus / Jeepney situation confused some of the girls who came to meet me. They are traveling in from the area's north of Davao, and they can't take the bus all the way in town. They have to transfer, and of course, they won't use a taxi like we would. Next time, if I can find the bus station, I MIGHT meet them there if there is a restaurant nearby.

There is construction on the road north of town, this is slowing down the girls also. A decent, four lane paved road, with a paved shoulder, is going up. But of course, the outer lanes, and shoulder are being used to park, unload trucks, push your stupid push-cart, or as a sidewalk since others have pretty much set up business on the shoulder. This leaves 2 lanes or less available for traffic. If I were the mayor I would buy a big German snowplow and run it down the outside lanes every four hours.

Shopping.

SM City Davao. Its across the river to the South, and an acceptable place to meet a girl. I did not see any nice restaurants here.

New SM (City?) Mall. Is being built near Abreeza on the North side. Supposed to be huge.

Gaisano South Mall. The one near Apo View. Its a dump but potentially a place to hook up with clerks. There are ATMs inside here and there are guards so a safe place to draw cash. There is a Gaisano grocery here, they sell spirits but NO BEER. WTF? One bright spot is on the top floor, there is an Italian restaurant, Piccolo's.

Gaisano Mall of Davao. This is the big one, not to be confused with Gaisano South near Apo View. The CD-R Store on level 3 is pretty big. On the top floor, at the back of the food court, you can access several levels on the roof of the new addition they are building. They are calling it "The Peak". Several nice cafe's going up here, and there are views of the mountains. A good place to bring girls. I asked a GF about this mall and she said "Oh you won't like it there, its surrounded by schools" so naturally I went right away, and true enough, its packed on weekdays at lunch. Sunday was very quiet. There was a young man from Washington State, US who opened his own cafe,"Hollywood Cafe" or something like that. Seems like a real bootstrap entrepreneur kind of guy.

Victoria Plaza. Not far from Abreeza. It was the first mall in town.

Abreeza Mall. Newest one. This is by Ayala, and some in the forums will call it the "Ayala Mall". It has a long terrace lined with restaurants that is reminiscent of the Terraces at Ayala Cebu. Tons of restaurants here: TGIF (they have a TV but its NOT a sports bar. They have to show DVDs!).2x Japanese restaurants, Vietnamese. 2 x Italian. Several Philippine grills. Coffee shops, Mediterranean. They are hawking Ayala condos that are going up here also. This mall is very upscale.

Food and Clubs.

Near Apo View.

V Place. 2nd floor, open air club. Live music nightly at 8pm. 30p entrance. San Mig 50p. Colt 45 Towers are popular and 260p. Being outdoors it didn't feel bad with a breeze, and I had no trouble with smoke. Sound volume from the bands was tolerable. Light show and TVs.

Primo Cafe. Across from Apo View. Air con or sit outside. Sports on TV. Breakfast and mixed grill. Grilled tuna belly 259p.

Piccolo's Brick Oven Pizza. 4th floor Gaisano South Mall. Real brick oven pizza. Decent prices and you can take your GF's there and not drop a ton of dough. Their is a small bar so you can sit and have a beer while you wait for your girl to figure out how to get there from the bus terminal. Wine available also.

Also near Apo View are a Japanese Resto, several grills.

Rizal Street.

Paseo de Habana Complex. (aka Habana Compound) Its a little hard to find the first time. Look for the large Orange Union Bank sign on the south side of the street. The complex is across from that. A big sign in the parking lot says "Drunken Monkey" but that could change any time. There are several bars and restaurants in this courtyard area. All are moderate-upscale, indoors air con and outdoors, and include:

- Villa de Bronte (aka De bonte Koe). Owned by Henny Smits and his wife. Been in Davao 12 years. Nice European / Mediterranean food, including steaks.

- Somewhere Else. Good cheap eats and sports on TV. Dinner and 2 beers was 200p. I didn't see the kitchen and I suspect when you place your order they run out to one of the hawker stalls nearby to have it cooked.

- Drunken Monkey. Has live music after 9pm.

- Several other food choices here. I met some locals smoking some kind of herb in a hooka pipe. I guess this is popular now? Also a good place to meet expats and gain information.

Claudes Cafe de Ville. Further down Rizal on the opposite side from Habana complex. This is in the restored 1929 former house of the mayor. I saw meals from 280p to 2100p. On a Saturday this place was packed.

Cellar de Oboza. Downstairs from Claudes Cafe. Spanish. Philippine food, seems to be good prices.

Rizal Promenade. Rizal Street. I did not check this out. Several restaurants here. This is North from Habana Complex. I hear tell of places called "Swigs" and "Bar 183".

Torres Street. Did not go. I hear tell of "Bakbak" and "Barbecue Boss" in the KL Complex on Torres.

Sightseeing:

Grab the maps and fliers as you leave the airport.

People's Park. A good stroll and to um, people watch. They don't open until the afternoon. Best check the sign at the entrance for times if you are planning something.

San Pedro Street. Rizal Park and the area around there. A nice place for a stroll. Several shopping buildings here that are good for cruising.

Zonta Forest Park north of town.

Davao Crocodile Park. Well who doesn't like crocs? Seems they have regular shows from 4-6pm. Open at 3pm.

http://davaocrocodilepark.com

Davao Butterfly House.

Airsoft Battle Field.

Davao Walk N WaterPal Park.

Samal Island.

Blue Jaz Beach Resort. I just got a brochure for this. Day tours 90p. Seems they have a bar, water slide, pools and picnic areas. Air con rooms 2, 200p (good for 2).

http://www.bluejaz.net

Medical. I needed a prescription for an allergy, and was recommended a doc nearby. I sat and waited one hour, saw the doc (a specialist) for 30 min. Cost 250p. The prescription cost more than the doc!

Non-Annoyances. Saw no beggars. Just a few solitary Lima Bravo's. No one tried to touch me. No "Hey Joe's" or such. I was told there is a military presence only during special times like elections.

[GoodEnough]

The new SM on Lanang Road. Is due to open on September 28th, and I'm told by a friend who is opening a "fine dining" Italian restaurant there that it's a beautiful place. That's the good news. The mall is reputed to encompass about 150, 000 square meters-about three times the size of Abreeza-and, as is always the case in the Philippines, no thought has been devoted to the impact on already worsening traffic. I think it's going to turn the latter into somewhat of a nightmare resembling Manila at its worst. That's the bad news. It's easy to anticipate that the new mall will be the biggest tourist attraction in Mindanao (not that there are many to choose from) for the next several months. This means that buses, jeepneys, vans and probably flatbed trucks loaded with eager gawkers, are going to flock to the place from Cotabato, Bukidnon and the far reaches of the region, just to get their pictures taken to "prove" that they were there. This is the ugly; tens of thousands of people, with no intention of actually spending money in the mall, making the experience miserable for the few who actually come to shop. I plan to stay away for months.

Since there are (largely unenforced) laws for everything in the Philippines, I'm sure that there are hundreds of zoning and traffic ordinances violated by the construction and operation of this monstrosity. Apparently, no one has devoted any time to trying to figure out how to cope with hundreds of vehicles that, on exiting the mall, will want to turn right on Lanang, interrupting the already heavy stream of traffic going east on that road. Nightmare is perhaps too benevolent to describe the chaos that's going to result. Unfortunately for me, this is the route I travel going home from my office, so to say that I'm not anticipating this opening with any joy in my heart would be a huge understatement. Worse, this is an SM "Premier" mall, which allegedly means that it will contain higher-end shops and merchandise than the typical SM, therefore exacerbating the problem of attracting huge sightseeing crowds but few buyers; rather like Ayala in that respect.

I'm told by my friend the restauranteur, that the new hotel on the grounds of the mall (who the hell would want to stay in a mall?) is called the Regency. I think, but am not sure, that it's a business hotel and not a five star, but as I said, I'm not sure this is true. Oh, and did I mention that the geniuses who constructed the place erected an enormous screen, facing the road, to beam an endless stream of advertisements, film clips, pithy sayings and the wisdom of the ages to passing drivers? This means that the local drivers, who lack any semblance of discipline or sense, will doubtless be riveted by the sign, take their already drifting eyes off the road to gawk at the sign and thus further increase the probability of accidents. The good news is that, as usual, no one cares.

There's little doubt that the "center" of town is creeping not so slowly Westward on Lanang and that property values along that strip will increase dramatically, if they haven't already done so. This will likely mean still more construction, attracting still more people and vehicles to an already mismanaged, chaotic traffic sprawl.

I'm afraid that the once peaceful city will become ever more like Manila, with unchecked construction, little or no attention to infrastructure improvements, increasing chaos and pollution and a deteriorating quality of life, at least for the small foreign population. I'm all for economic development and increased prosperity, but the total lack of any planning, any road improvement, and increase in the efficiency of water and electrical systems to accommodate the new arrivals will inevitably lead to overburdened public facilities and the same sort of mindless urban expansion that characterizes Manila.

Polemic over.

GE

[X Man]

GE, thanks for the update on Davao. Your post reminds me of the long lines and traffic jams that occurred when the unusual park opened up there near Apo Hotel.


The new SM on Lanang Road. Is due to open on September 28th, and I'm told by a friend who is opening a "fine dining" Italian restaurant there that it's a beautiful place. That's the good news. The mall is reputed to encompass about 150, 000 square meters-

SNIP.

Polemic over.

GE

[X Man]

Thanks Jambo, what a great summary of Davao. It might be a bit confusing or overwhelming to a newcomer (aka newbie) but this is really good stuff.

I would like to make a few comments. But keep in mind that it has been several years since I ventured south to the fine city of Davao.

The Philippine Eagle preserve is a nice place to visit. THe beaches of Samal are also very close. Paradise is (or was) the most convenient, but there are many places.

Despite your experience, I thought Davao was the most "hey Joe" city I'd been in. Maybe GE has trained the locals a bit. I do a lot of walking and exploring, so maybe I was in areas that you didn't visit.

I also noticed an absense of hard-core beggers. I did have some children say,"give me money", but it seemed rather innocent, unlike the organized beggars of some other big cities. One night, in the wee hours, I came across a young guy cleaning the road. He was pushing some kind of cart. He wasn't scavenging, I suspect he had a job with the city. He never even looked at me. I turned back, thanked him, and gave him 1k. I felt pretty good even though I didn't get laid that night.

Apo View. A rather old hotel, but that is its charm. I stayed there before (8f) and would stay there again. I like to have a pool. I like to buy a woman a swimsuit so that we can go to the pool. LOL. But the last time I stayed, there was an electric fire in the ceiling in the lobby. It was contained to the lobby, but actually the rooms aren't above the lobby, so this could have been a horrific event. And the fire alarms weren't like any fire alarms I had ever heard before. Any time you stay in a hotel, I recommend you have a flashlite, and you review the fire exits, staircases and such. I know most people will ignore this, but once you have a near miss.

BTW. 9th floor is a party room, so don't stay on the 8th floor if you are a light sleeper. On a different day than the fire. Dec 31 I think, there was a big party and there were so many fashionable, hot and young ladies that I was going crazy. Strangely enough, I found out one of my dia friends was one of the gals at the party.

X.


Hotels:

Apo View. I stayed here, its quite nice. Restaurant and coffee shop. WiFi works on and off. Room was quiet. Safe in room. TV with satellite. Staff pleasant and helpful. They throw a lot of wedding banquets here and you can get a look at what rich pinays look like. I was paying 3, 800p breakfast included booked through Agoda. Com. They offered a cash discount of 3, 300 no bfast.

SNIP.

Medical. I needed a prescription for an allergy, and was recommended a doc nearby. I sat and waited one hour, saw the doc (a specialist) for 30 min. Cost 250p. The prescription cost more than the doc!

Non-Annoyances. Saw no beggars. Just a few solitary Lima Bravo's. No one tried to touch me. No "Hey Joe's" or such. I was told there is a military presence only during special times like elections.

[Tally Wacker]

Thanks Jambo! I'm heading to Davao in December and your info was very helpful.

TW

[GoodEnough]

i had heard about a new restaurant called the white house for the past few weeks, but i'd never eaten there until tonight, and the experience has changed my point of view of what's possible here. one of davao's most well known businessmen spent approximately $1. 5 million meticulously restoring an old wooden spanish house that sits on a hilltop in buhangin, davao. it's a beautiful place, with lovely terraces and gardens, two large dining rooms and to smaller, private dining rooms, with additional tables rep001tered throughout the gardens. the service, by extremely well dressed, black clad waiters and waitresses is expert and attentive.

there's a large plate glass window that looks into the enormous, space age kitchen, which has so much state-of-the-art "stuff" that i didn't know what half of it was for, in fact, during a subsequent tour of the kitchen i had to ask what some of the appliances did.

the cuisine is billed as "fusion" and it truly is, mixing japanese style sushi and noodles with french dishes with an integration of the two that simply works. since this was our first time there, and we were eating with three other people, we shared several appetizers, including sushi, some oysters, and a couple of other vaguely japanese influenced dishes. each was excellent and the plating was beautiful. i think the duck confit that i had for my main dish was as good as any confit i've ever had anywhere and the two bottles of reasonably priced french wine were perfect complements to the food.

all in all, the service, the plating and the ambience represented the best dining experience i've ever had in davao, and perhaps in the philippines. this place does not advertise, does not take credit cards, but does take reservations. it's not inexpensive, and dinner for two cost php5, 000 and worth every centavo.

ge

[Member #4491]

Jambo, thanks for there report. Some random corrections and additions;

There are many motporcycles and pedal taxis. I guess you just did not see them if you spent most time around Apo and Rizal.


- Somewhere Else. Good cheap eats and sports on TV. Dinner and 2 beers was 200p. I didn't see the kitchen and I suspect when you place your order they run out to one of the hawker stalls nearby to have it cooked.It is Someplace else and they cook themselves. They have a decent chicken Kiev, good shisha and tasty pina coladas. I go there often when in town, and it became very popular with the young crowd of Davao. The rest of Rizal is quite dull, at least compared to how it used to be. 183 was a killer place, but just died after some renovation and "improvements".


Torres Street. Did not go. I hear tell of "Bakbak" and "Barbecue Boss" in the KL Complex on Torres.I think you refer to K1, the KTV on Torres. Here you can store your bottle (if you are a returning visitor that did not finish it the last time). It is next to for example Barbecue Boss. Evibe is also next to K1 and a decent place to find hoes and watch the ladyboys dance in front of the big mirror.

Normally girls coming by bus end up at Gaisano or Ecoland bus terminal. In Gaisano you have Jerrys Grill overlooking the "terminal" but at Ecoland you do not want to hang around if you require a nearby restaurant. Just take a taxi there once they say they have arrived. Let them wait for you instead of wasting your precious minutes on something so unreliable as waiting for a woman.

The Japanses restaurant is called Tsuru (Legaspi street) and do decent sushi if you pick local fishes. I like my sake very hot if I go there, and that is normally a great start of a crazy evening.

At the crok park you can take the river boat and eat crocodile with your sweet heart while the guy in the back poles you upp stream a few hundred meters. Dry meat and very little of it both times I tried, but makes a good story at least.

There are many beggars in Davao. Not like Cebu but far from "no beggars". They are becoming more agressive by the month. Around Vicrtoria there are now some really annoying kids that "help" you to get a taxi and then hang on to the cab until the either have a close to death expericne or get some change.

I like the presidential suite of Casa Leticia at peoples park, but last time I was there we had an earth quake and the fifth floor felt like one of those jelly deserts. Made me feel uneasy for a minute. Not pleasant at all to have the whole hotel wagging back and forth.

Looking forward to try The White House next week, GE. Sounds interesting. If you and Mrs join me, I will get you both drunk on some really good red wine first.

B.

[GoodEnough]

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Looking forward to try The White House next week, GE. Sounds interesting. If you and Mrs join me, I will get you both drunk on some really good red wine first.

B.You're on, but though good wine is always appreciated, I've got lots of it right now, so no worries. Of course, but the time you get here the new SM Mall will have opened, which means that half the cars in Mindanao will be trying to enter the parking lot while the other half tries to exit, so the traffic should be truly nightmarish. Nonetheless, we will persevere.

GE

[Jambo]

My little sources tell me the new "SM Lanang" mall is open. Its in Google Maps already on JP Laurel Ave, way North side of the city, near the airport, Waterfront Insular, and those places where you take the boats to Samal Island. No count on how may Jollybee's they got.

[Need Some]

I'm staying near the Juan Luna Extension St (I have no clue, but the taxi drivers seem to know what I'm talking about and get me home) that is near a SM mall (there is a lot of discussion about malls in Davao recently) and I'm going stir crazy. I'm staying at a GFs house, which is an acquired taste, but she drives me crazy at time, so I'm looking for a distraction. I read the forum, but not finding what I'm looking for except that it's about 500 peso for short time. Can anyone familiar with Davao suggest somewhere near where I am living that I can go during the day. There is absolutely no chance to go out at night, but during the day, there is time for a quick relief. My girl is good but inexperienced and is on her period and not willing to play. Because of my situation, I don't have time for DIA or random encounters. I will give a complete report.

[GoodEnough]

My little sources tell me the new "SM Lanang" mall is open. Its in Google Maps already on JP Laurel Ave, way North side of the city, near the airport, Waterfront Insular, and those places where you take the boats to Samal Island. No count on how may Jollybee's they got.You're correct. It opened last week, and it's on Lanang about a kilometer from Swiss Deli and Damosa Gate. Consistent with most new construction here, no thought was ever given to the impact of this enormous shopping center on traffic, so as predicted, the impact is not good. I haven't been in, and don't plan to go anytime soon, but my friend who was there said it's essentially an enormous concrete cube with escalators at each end. I'm told about 50% of the shops and restaurants haven't yet opened.

GE

[Tally Wacker]

I'm going stir crazy. I'm staying at a GFs house, which is an acquired taste, but she drives me crazy at time, so I'm looking for a distraction.Oh sounds like ypu Need Some. Did you ever find any.

[Tally Wacker]

I'm going stir crazy. I'm staying at a GFs house, which is an acquired taste, but she drives me crazy at time, so I'm looking for a distraction.Oh sounds like you Need Some. Did you ever find any daytime fun in Davao?

[GoodEnough]

I had heard there was a a relatively new place in town specializing in what were billed as "real" American hamburgers. Given that I've been here ten years next month, and in all that time have never actually tasted anything that would pass for this icon of American cooking, I thought we should give it a try. In summary, I still haven't tasted anything that would pass in the states for a burger.

The place is called Hollywood Burgers, an American Diner, and it's located in the bottom tier of the restaurants on the upper level of Gaisano. I suspect it's a franchise, and it's decorated cheaply but attractively with aluminum tables, hollywood directors' chairs, and movie posters, more or less reminiscent of a 1960ish American hamburger restaurant. The menu offers 8-10 variations on the theme, from Kevin Bacon burgers, to standard cheeseburgers and the like, with an extensive menu of soft drinks and milkshakes. The place was packed when we arrived, and was the only restaurant on that tier doing any business among the other fast food emporia.

The service is polite, but lousy with the waitress first forgetting napkins, then forks and knives, and even menus. Smiling, gracious and inept. The burgers take 25-30 minutes to arrive and believe me they're not worth the wait. First, the buns are made for local taste, and thus have a high (and repulsive) sugar content; the burgers themselves are smallish, but rather tasty and charcoal grilled. The bad news is that they're served in mayonnaise (disgusting) and some sort of limpid mustard, rendering the taste of the whole thing a rather unappetizing agglomeration of sugar, mayonnaise, a hint of mustard and a hint of charcoal. Oh, and in typical Filipino style of course the food didn't arrive all at once but in dribs and dabs, so that the first burger arrived a good five minutes before the second, with the third and fourth following a few minutes later. The concept of simultaneous servings hasn't yet reached here. We ate outside, and at one point I did ask the waitress if the service was any better inside, but she reassured me that it isn't or wasn't.

All told, I wish the American guy who owns this good luck, but I won't return and will remain committed to making my own when I want a decent hamburger.

GE

[WestCoast1]

I.

The place is called Hollywood Burgers, an American Diner, and it's located in the bottom tier of the restaurants on the upper level of Gaisano. I suspect it's a franchise, and it's decorated cheaply but attractively with aluminum tables, hollywood directors' chairs, and movie posters, more or less reminiscent of a 1960ish American hamburger restaurant. The menu offers 8-10 variations on the theme, from Kevin Bacon burgers, to standard cheeseburgers and the like, with an extensive menu of soft drinks and milkshakes. The place was packed when we arrived, and was the only restaurant on that tier doing any business among the other fast food emporia.

The service is polite, but lousy with the waitress first forgetting napkins, then forks and knives, and even menus. Smiling, gracious and inept. The burgers take 25-30 minutes to arrive and believe me they're not worth the wait. First, the buns are made for local taste, and thus have a high (and repulsive) sugar content; the burgers themselves are smallish, but rather tasty and charcoal grilled. The bad news is that they're served in mayonnaise (disgusting) and some sort of limpid mustard, rendering the taste of the whole thing a rather unappetizing agglomeration of sugar, mayonnaise, a hint of mustard and a hint of charcoal. Oh, and in typical Filipino style of course the food didn't arrive all at once but in dribs and dabs, so that the first burger arrived a good five minutes before the second, with the third and fourth following a few minutes later. The concept of simultaneous servings hasn't yet reached here. We ate outside, and at one point I did ask the waitress if the service was any better inside, but she reassured me that it isn't or wasn't.

GE2-3 years ago in Jakarta, my wingman and I (both americans) ran into a similar situation. In a mall was a place that had the same name, and advertised a 60's-ish american burger joint dining experience. Tables and floor were black / white checkered. Pics of Elvis and drive-in diners on the wall. We ordered from a menu that had american-named burgers (he got a cheeseburger, I got a regular hamburger, with both ordered milkshakes). We thought: how refreshing! Until the burgers showed up. The buns were not typical flour-made, they had a high sweetener content in them. The burger itself was mildly charred (nice touch). Mayonnaise, no katsup or mustard. Silverware came later. The fries were fine. I asked for katsup and mustard and our milkshakes. When the katsup / mustard came (10 minutes later) , the mustard was fine, but the katsup had a sugary and fruity flavor (ie, mango or such). We were cracking up. We ate without our milkshakes, and finally the girl came to remove our plates and handed us the bill. Wait, where are the milkshakes? We suggested she remove the shakes from the bill as they never came. The girl went in the back, then came back to us with a manager. He suggested they will prepare the shakes now, that we wait and drink them when they got to the table. As we'd been in the restaurant 40 minutes, we declined, thinking they would take another 10 minutes to get the shakes to our table. The manager and girl walked away in the back, and then she finally came back out with the bill: including the shakes again."NO." Again she went in the back, then finally brought us a bill without the shakes. We paid up and left to get sodas elsewhere. Keep in mind this was Indonesia.

For those readers who are not american, the typical non-fastfood burger experience, whether at a chain / box place (ie, Denny's, Applebees) or at a more mom / pop restaurant, goes like this: bottom bun; burger, fixin's (lettuce, sliced pickle maybe, sliced tomatoe, sliced onion) , top bun. Alternately, the fixin's are on the side of the plate, so the customer can place any of them on the burger himself, and ignore the rest. Katsup / mustard are in jars on the table (along with sweetner). Mayonnaise is not in the picture (you have to ask for it separately). There is no such thing as 'mango' or 'banana' katsup (it was a shock for me the first time in SE asia when I saw that). The meat might be grilled, or fried on a hot surface.

I loved reading your experience GE. I get the feeling the restaurant is not there for foreigners to go have a 'home-ey' experience. Its there to trick locals into dining on what would be considered a 'foreign' experience. Easily davaoans would be deceived into thinking this is an american experience.

[Radical Guy]

I had heard there was a a relatively new place in town specializing in what were billed as "real" American hamburgers. Given that I've been here ten years next month, and in all that time have never actually tasted anything that would pass for this icon of American cooking, I thought we should give it a try. In summary, I still haven't tasted anything that would pass in the states for a burger.Speaking of burgers, are the McDonald's burgers in the Philippines the same as the ones in the US? Granted, McDonald's isn't exactly what I'd call a model American burger to begin with, but at least here they use American beef. Do they seem to use the same suppliers in the Philippines? I've been to the Philippines numerous times, but never ate at McDonald's.

RG

[SergeantRay]

Speaking of burgers, are the McDonald's burgers in the Philippines the same as the ones in the US? Granted, McDonald's isn't exactly what I'd call a model American burger to begin with, but at least here they use American beef. Do they seem to use the same suppliers in the Philippines? I've been to the Philippines numerous times, but never ate at McDonald's.

RGI can only speak for several MacDonald's in Cebu City. There are items such as fried chicken, spaghetti, and longganiza that are not found on an American menu.

But the burgers and fries taste the same. The same with the big breakfast. When I was there this summer they had a chicken sandwich and a drink for 50 pesos. My girlfriend liked the spaghetti, which you could get with a drink for 50 pesos, too.

You might want to bring your own salt, pepper, and mustard. You can get it there by special request, but it takes time, with a girl yelling to the back for some "maahstahrd."

[Slippery]

The burgers at Mickey D's seem to be identical to their American burgers anywhere in the Phils that I go. Can't say the same for Burger King which is my favorite in USA. Fries are the same too at either place in the Phils.

[GoodEnough]

I'm not a Big Mac Do's fan, but I have eaten their burgers a couple of times here and they do taste about the same as I remember them in the US. However, I wasn't talking about fast food burgers in my original post, but was referring to the typical burger you might get at a backyard barbeque in the States. Westcoast referred to fries and it suddenly occurred to me that I don't remember seeing them on the menu, though they might have been there.

All of the good here-Chinese, Japanese, now American burgers-that are "adapted" to Filipino taste seem to lose all of their original flavor which is sacrificed for the sugar and other crap that's so beloved of Filipinos. One of the reasons I so like Bon Appétit here is that the folk who own it make no concessions to local taste. Lousy food and worse service seem to characterize most of the restaurants here, aside from the few Western cuisine-type places that attract me.

GE

[WestCoast1]

Speaking of burgers, are the McDonald's burgers in the Philippines the same as the ones in the US? Granted, McDonald's isn't exactly what I'd call a model American burger to begin with, but at least here they use American beef. Do they seem to use the same suppliers in the Philippines? I've been to the Philippines numerous times, but never ate at McDonald's.

RGThe burger is identical anywhere as the burger at an american McDo. Many items on the menu are identical (ie, the chicken sandwiches). Some items on the asian McDo menu diverge completely with the american counterpart: you can get rice vs french fries in asia (but not in the US) , you can get spaghetti also at some non-american Mcdo. The Mcdo burger and fries are also identical in mexico. Most major chains have rules about food quality, quantity / supply, taste, and appearance, before instituting their restaurants. Friends tell me the burger is the same in russia also.

[Need Some]

i stayed at the davao's zen north hotel for about a week (only $34 a night) and will definitely stay there again. the hotel is relatively new (i think about a year old) , but it's starting to show the signs of being in philippines (i'll touch on that later) , but it's clean, roomy, and otherwise adequate place to sleep. the staff was pleasant, varying from friendly to indifferent, as in could not be torn away from their phones. the exception was the security guards who always smiled, courteous, and quick to help, such as calling a cab. the room has a relatively large bathroom. 32 inch lcd television with some english cable channels, and good a / c. unfortunately the a / c was loud. the other down side was the bedding is too short for the queen size bed, only coming up to around my belly, but the problem was resolved by the housekeeping bringing an extra blanket and pillow. the hotel is also very plain with no niceties that a three star hotel would normally have.

the problem i mentioned earlier, much like every other philippines hotel, is the lack of preventive maintenance. in my case, the door knob was coming off because of loose screws. it would have been an easy fix, i even offered to do it myself if i could get a philips screw driver, but for my entire stay, the door knob didn't get fixed and became looser and looser.

i feel a little chagrin about my earlier post. at the insistent of my gf's family, i stayed at their house and they were very friendly and hospitable, but with no a / c and being a typical filipino house, it was not ideal or comfortable for me. my gf was also driving me crazy, she has been with filipino boyfriends, but seems so sexually inexperienced and uncoordinated. for example, she tried to give me a bj but, she is so bad at it, that it becomes annoying and when she was on top, she would lose rhythm and coordination. but, this resolved itself. while riding on a jeepney, two absolutely gorgeous teenagers were being flirtatious towards me, looking at me, smiling, and trying to engage me in small talk. for me, unless it's p2p, i don't dabble in such young age. i think i would feel unsettled and guilty afterwards. my gf had no reaction at the time, but i think she felt threatened, because she suggested that we stay at a hotel (the given reason was the water was too cold for me to take a shower for me, the house was too hot, and they didn't have a western type bed). in the hotel, she unleashed her sexuality and became a beast. at one point she apologized for being a 'sex maniac' as she was attacking me in the shower.

she was still uncoordinated, gave bad bjs (at least she tries) , but her enthusiasm made up for it. for example, while doing it doggy style, she calls it dooggie style, she was resting on her shoulders and grabbed my hands, so i could use her arms to pound her deep and hard. we also found that doing asian cowgirl, when i held her hips / butt, i could control her rhythm, and if necessary, lift her up and bring her down on my cock (she only weighs 80 pounds). she became the lbfm that i've always heard about and she kept my balls drained from waking me up in the morning to going to sleep with my spent cock in her pussy. she even, using her words, 'raped' me and had a quickie while showing me her office.

unfortunately there was not a happy ending. on the second to the last day, she started to experience pain and, when we went to a doctor, we found out that she had an external tear, so she needed antibiotics and time to heal. it was a strange experience having a female obgyn showing me the tear and explaining that it was like she had a baby, so i needed to let her heal. it was somehow also an erotic experience; the doctor was older, but was very sexy and i'd do her without a second thought. i thought about the possibilities of a threesome, especially if a girl could show my gf how to give a bj.

davao city isn't a great city to go for p2p. it is nothing like makati or nana plaza. apparently the mayor, now the vice-mayor (the mayor is his sister or daughter) has an iron grip on the city with his own death squad to take care of miscreants. if you do find yourself in davao city, the zen north hotel is a good choice for a hotel. but for the p2p scene, the davao forum talks more about malls and mcdonalds then girls, so that pretty much sums up davao city.

[WestCoast1]

in the hotel, she unleashed her sexuality and became a beast. at one point she apologized for being a 'sex maniac' as she was attacking me in the shower.

she was still uncoordinated, gave bad bjs (at least she tries) , but her enthusiasm made up for it. for example, while doing it doggy style, she calls it dooggie style, she was resting on her shoulders and grabbed my hands, so i could use her arms to pound her deep and hard. we also found that doing asian cowgirl, when i held her hips / butt, i could control her rhythm, and if necessary, lift her up and bring her down on my cock (she only weighs 80 pounds). she became the lbfm that i've always heard about and she kept my balls drained from waking me up in the morning to going to sleep with my spent cock in her pussy. she even, using her words, 'raped' me and had a quickie while showing me her office.yes! great report.


unfortunately there was not a happy ending. on the second to the last day, she started to experience pain and, when we went to a doctor, we found out that she had an external tear, so she needed antibiotics and time to heal. it was a strange experience having a female obgyn showing me the tear and explaining that it was like she had a baby, so i needed to let her heal. it was somehow also an erotic experience; the doctor was older, but was very sexy and i'd do her without a second thought. i thought about the possibilities of a threesome, especially if a girl could show my gf how to give a bj.only in pilipines!

[Pute Nut]

I'm a certified Luzon / Cebu perv, but total Davao noob. Doing some basic RTFF it would seem not all Davao hotels are DIA friendly / compatible (?) I would assume at least the MP / AV are quite OK? How about the rest of the best? Which ones to avoid in order to ensure smooth sailings?

[Member #4491]

I'm a certified Luzon / Cebu perv, but total Davao noob. Doing some basic RTFF it would seem not all Davao hotels are DIA friendly / compatible (?) I would assume at least the MP / AV are quite OK? How about the rest of the best? Which ones to avoid in order to ensure smooth sailings?All are girl friendly.

B.

[Wicked Roger]

Spent a weekend in Davao and met up with GE and his good lady. Always a pleasure and we dined at a new restaurant called Bon Appetit Le Bistro. Another eatery from the chef / owner of Bon Appetit. Located on the roof floor (the Peak) of Gaisano Mall (ask the taxi to take you to top floor as it is easier) then walk up the steps to the right and voila!

Lovely place to wine and dine especially with good company. Good wine selection, food quality wonderful and menu varied. I liked the snails (as did my lady who tried them for the first time) and the steak and lamb were very delicious.

Just opened, give it a visit next time you are in Davao as you won't be disappointed. We enjoyed it so much we returned the following day for more!

[Sammon]

Unfortunately there was not a happy ending. On the second to the last day, she started to experience pain and, when we went to a doctor, we found out that she had an external tear, so she needed antibiotics and time to heal. It was a strange experience having a female OBGYN showing me the tear and explaining that it was like she had a baby, so I needed to let her heal. It was somehow also an erotic experience; the doctor was older, but was very sexy and I'd do her without a second thought. I thought about the possibilities of a threesome, especially if a girl could show my GF how to give a BJ.These normal girls tear easily. Sometimes although they get wet extra lube will help avod this. After a day of good ex I introduce them to the ky gel. Initially they are averse to any western products but once they see the bnefits they like it. Thses girls are not used to so much sex. Sex with them when they had a bf is once a month only when there is nobody in the house.

I had a 19 year old and after two days of good sex tore in two places. Using gel solved the problem although once she gets going it gets too wet and the sensation is less. Just pull out and wipe with a towel and go.

[Member #4491]

These normal girls tear easily.Another good reason to have at least 7 teen girlfriends.

B.