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Sam 14

08-13-14, 19:03

to otr. i wouldn't consider getting her in your room a wasted night. how about hours wasted texting girls you never see again? davao young ladies are shy and very conservative for the most part. they can be playful and friendly, but to me they're allot more immature than their counterparts. barba wrote a brilliant piece on it. i don't know how to link to it so i'll just do it like this.

funny you write about this now ge. i have had this theory for some time about different mental stages of (the philippino) people i have had the fortune to interact with. me and my friend (you know who) spent a great deal of time discussing this during our last visit to davao. it is not so politically correct to do research on, or even talk about, differences in physical development between various groups of humans and i have no clue or guess about nature versus nurture in this particular question, but would be highly interested in reference studies if anyone knows where to find it.

take it for what it is, partly joke and partly an initial observations of a pattern i seem to have noticed, but the three mental stages i believe to have observed i choose to call those of a child, an adolescent and an adult. what a surprise, isn't it? these definitions are separated from the physical development, and even if i hope that it is totally obvious i still want to state that we are talking about individuals of age 18 year or more. one can apply this to anyone in society, but it can be fruitful to think about chasing punani to understand the idea.

the adult.

adults are not that many, at least in davao. these individuals are responsive, responsible and realistic. you will feel like you could have been talking to this person anywhere in the world. most often these individuals will be a pleasant surprise for mongers that learned to expect little and be happy for the simplest of conversations while indulging in yet another carbohydrate bomb. being a realist with a certain amount of life experience, the adult will actively choose to oversee certain flaws in you, and let you please her in ways she needs to be pleased. sex will most often be slightly inhibited, but pleasurable and free from transactions, guilt and shallow qualifiers.

the adolescent.

the adolescent individual can make you feel young and alive, but she is unpredictable. most people i meet in the philippines, both in private and in the line of my work, belong to this group. qualifications, symbolism and a somewhat prideful ego are normally a part of the adolescent individuals world, but the effects of these are random. one could for example see a continuous flow of a rather predictable behavior or performance, only to be struck by what seems to be an unpredictable change or error. the same pattern goes for mood and changes in this. the adolescent individual will never question the group, no matter how irrational or stupid it behaves. this is likely the largest group of individuals in the adult part of the philippines, so you will meet them frequently in clubs, parks, eateries, etc. it can be a challenge to qualify if the girl is pretty and / or financially stable, but she is normally both material and vain, and will spread her legs for consumption. a standard answer, cunningly used to probe your intentions in any situation will be "it is up to you".

a key for me to understand these adolescent individuals is to think about the "as if-world". when used correctly this way of thinking will in fact be a very powerful tool. a simple practical example of an "as if" would be to meet the the adolescent individual for a ice cream on your way back from work. after a brief meeting you go home alone and pick up your andros, and then you meet her again. you have now erased the imaginative threshold that stipulates that there can be no sex on the first date. it is important for her image to follow rules like this, so we pretend as if we are observing protocol. another example is to answer a question by simply just asking another question in the returning text message. we pretend as if we answer, but we are in fact voiding all responsibility to answer the first question by asking a second.

the adolescent individual will normally always be looking for a (better) job and will normally never manage to answer to more than one question in any context. she will always have a somewhat plausible excuse for being late, but you will both know that she is just using a standard template excuse, pretending as if it was impossible for her to affect the parameters that caused her delay.

the child.

the child individual is lively, random and can be quite funny to hang out with, at least the first minutes. she makes errors that seems unsystematic at best. her ability to extrapolate and avoid similar errors are close to zero. she will reply to 90% of your questions with a "huh". her excuses for coming late are most often to absurd to even have an opinion about. her status is normally "in school" or "i don't know, oi". she will find it hilarious if you say "pagsureoi" and her immediate comment to seeing your wad of 1000 php bills will be "you are handsome". setting out for any form of intelligent conversation with this group of individuals is bound for disaster. sex is as dramatic as eating an egg and she will most often enjoy it in a natural and unpretentious way. after the act she will immediately start to brush her hair and she will say "look i am peeing" when she [CodeWord133] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133) in the shower over barba's feet.

b.

On The Road

08-14-14, 03:30

You're right, Sam. Maybe it was not a complete waste of time.

She start texting me today on how she had a good evening, and that she is sorry to be so shy and not talkative and so on. So maybe I double my mistakes and invited her again tonight.

I hope it was only the "no sex first night" policy.

BTW in the excellent Barba post, she must be an infant I guess, even if she is 23.

But she is hot. That make me weak. .

Johnnyok

08-14-14, 04:16

Hi all,

I will be in Davao for about 10 days mainly for a bit of research on Durian fruit trees and farm visiting, so am after a guide to show me around, can be male or female (Fe: preferred).

That can speak English, were would I find such a person, have tried the pina love sites but no success, all reply's to my request are ether from Manila, Cebu or some other distant Philippine place.

Or they want a relationship.

I just want someone to hang out with for company while I'm visiting this part of the world.

Any suggestions.

There will be payment for their time, but I don't advertise that.

By the way what would be a fair day rate for such a person.

Cheers

Member #4491

08-14-14, 13:44

Hehe, fun to see that old piece here again, Sam.

OTR I think Sam is right here, saying this was well invested time. Unless you had a prior arrangement to trade money for physical interaction, her behavior is within expected protocol. If she is hot like you say, you could enjoy quality before quantity and cultivate your relation. We have this urge inside us to just collect pussies (and leave them behind us), but it is just a monger meme, fed by our genetic program to reproduce as much as possible. Sometimes we feel bad because we scored x pussies instead of why on a trip, but it is still just a monger meme of pussy greed.

I have learned to hard way that I can be just as happy to go to Isla Reta (boats at 10:00 and 11:00 from St Anna warf) with her and spend 2-3 days on the beach, in a little Asian love story. These are the moments and women we tend to remember ten or thirty years down the line. The quick fuck for 500 peso are not as distinct, at least not in my wank bank.

I would suggest you meet her today again for a few minutes, and think of her like the tender woman she is, when you give her some choices to make. She will understand that you passed the popcorn stage and want to go beyond holding hand in the movies, but she will also require something in return. As most of us understood, women are more or less always trade oriented, so put a trade of some sort on the table.

Some examples of trades (written from the female perspective) that I have on the table this very moment with various women on the globe, are;.

- I will upgrade from girlfriend to your sex slave if you finance a Sari Sari store in Calinan. Your friends can also use me.

- You can take my virginity if you are my boyfriend officially, because I knew you since age 18, I am 21 now and starting to look like a total looser.

- Take me to Isla Tortuga. I am bored and want to fuck and smoke herbs.

- Give me a phone. Mine broke and I have many student friends that will come and fuck you for 1000 PHP.

- Come and visit me in Cebu. I should have never left Davao and gone back to my family, because they are poor and boring. I want to taste the Barba life style again.

- I have a double degree in engineering from one of the best Universities in Europe, so I want us to pretend that the money you hand me for being your gf is for some lame ass work you want me to do.

Well you see the pattern. Like this it goes on. At least 20-30 active girls at any given moment who have some sort of transaction that they are massaging me to buy. Ranging from apartments, visa, passport, freinds money, car, travels, etc, to the more modest requests like a school book or just a birthday cake. Nothing new about this for most of us here, after all we are on ISG, but it is still a valuable observation to remind myself about sometimes, also when it comes to "good girls". I do not know how many times I have seen myself or another man walk up to a woman and say "Hi there, how are you doing", just to see her replying "what do you want". While she most often is absolutely correct in her assumption about the man wanting something, it is also enlightening to observe how she immediately jumps to the agreement of the transaction. Forget the "trying to be nice and feel each other out"-act, and just either scare him away or see if he has the balls to offer any transaction of value. "My pussy for what! It might shape a man a cynical mind to always dwell on this, but as soon as a man is stuck in the poonani process, I suggest to focus on some transaction with the babe and all will start to move forward again. "What do you want, and what will I need to give in return. " Nail that bit in a contextually and politically correct way, and it will all be a smooth ride from there.

A healthy approach is to assume that all humans wants to smile and be entertained, so it is always a safe card to assume that the path to the panties goes via a smile. Smile and death to boardinghouse boredom, traded for dive into damp teen panties. Good transaction.

I always want to go to the beach for an hour or two at some point of a visit to Davao, and why not combine and bring some entertainment into some shy little angels life. To this kind of occasion she can always bring a friend. This increases her joy and status, and since she brought a socializing surface, I do not have to pretend like we have anything to talk about. In addition her friends might be hotter than her.

Very rarely you will get a "good girl" into bed after the beach (we are talking initial dates now), since she has been away from mum for the day already, so schedule "a business meeting" for the evening and then fuck the beach angel the next day. And then her friends the following days because you "really fell for the friend on the beach and you can not dictate love". This way you can have all the cookies in the store. Just refer to some external power and how helpless you are in light of this, and all is forgiven. Even f your girlfriend has to suck the love juice from her best friends vagina (it happened), from your cock, it will all be forgiven if the power of love (awfully close to God, right) was at hand.

As many said before, Davao is not a point and shoot place, but rather a place where men and women often cultivate relations in the good old ways. So an hour or two with a girl is always a good investment for anyone with an attention span that reaches beyond Pattaya or Angeles bar hopping.

A lot of words. Take it for what it is. Peace and have fun!

Barba.

On The Road

08-14-14, 16:17

Barba, you are 100% right.

But the problem, in my case, is about time. I'm not a resident here, I'm here for just a few days so I should maximize the return rate.

I do agree with you that one single fuck with a girl like her can worth much more than several quickies with some bored SWs, but getting nothing in few days is nothing compared with something.

Tonight was worst than yesterday.

She told me she do not drink, she never exit at evening, so after a nice dinner, I offered her to walk in the center, but it was going to rain, or to go to Cinema, or to come my room because my hotel has TV with movie channels.

She asked me what I preferred, and of course I said the hotel room. With my surprise she accepted very easy.

She was in my room for two hours, but fixed on some pinoy telenovelas.

After one hour I started any move I knew, with no results. Then she ran away like the day before.

As soon as she arrived home she start texting me being sorry, but she is very conservative person but she is so sorry and she hope I can forgive her and so on.

Well, if I had some weeks available, this was a very very nice challenge for me.

But having only some few days, she is just a waste of time.

Sam 14

08-14-14, 19:00

Very rarely you will get a "good girl" into bed after the beach (we are talking initial dates now), since she has been away from mum for the day already, so schedule "a business meeting" for the evening and then fuck the beach angel the next day. And then her friends the following days because you "really fell for the friend on the beach and you can not dictate love". This way you can have all the cookies in the store. Just refer to some external power and how helpless you are in light of this, and all is forgiven. Even f your girlfriend has to suck the love juice from her best friends vagina (it happened), from your cock, it will all be forgiven if the power of love (awfully close to God, right) was at hand.Wao man, that's some powerful stuff. I feel like I just became enlightened by a spiritual punani leader, thanks again. I just want to add one thing. One of the toughest coconuts I cracked was one I apparently met walking some street somewhere. I had her name in my phone listed as "Some Chick That Stood Me Up 3 Times". She was just too damn freaked out to meet and she even admitted to watching me sit there like a jerk. I reluctantly agreed to let myself be suckered again, but by then had I learned to not go out of my way. Just have her come to somewhere I'm going to be anyway. Anyhow, I didn't even remember who she was or what she looked like. Well, she shows up with her sister. Holy shit, they're hot! She's a bit chubby but has this gorgeous face and long black hair. She's super short, 18, big beautiful boobs and her (half) sis is 19. Older sis is beautiful too, but darker and has a 38 kilogram frame like a Bangkok stripper, and perfect Little A cup boobs. We sit down for a snack and the young one was quiet and the other was the joker. I got to touching both their hands and was saying I like you both. Well to keep it short, it was too weird evidently to have them both together, but I'd point my computer table away from the bed while one would play Face Book, sing, and play stupid music. It would always be the young one first, then big sis next. We had fun like that for months then finally the hot 19 year old cousin came on the scene.

So OTR, hope that helps, welcome to Davao.

Member #4491

08-14-14, 23:13

GoodEnough

08-15-14, 05:10

Lovely story, Sam! LOL. Great reading. Crazy things happens in Davao. I am glad I am going back soon. This time we make sure to meet up, ok? First beer is on me. There is a good place basically just about where Rizal meets Pelayo. Cold beers from all over the world, and most often free tables. They also have juice if you prefer this.

OTR, I hear you. I do not live there either but visit regularly since many years. Why did you wait one hour? I would not wait one minute. Without knowing you, I am struck that this might be a case of "western man"-syndrome. Too much questions and too little command. It is more subtle in Davao than say Kiev, but the need for the man to take command is just as prevalent. Whatever room you are giving them to play good wife material, they will take. She will be fucking mother Mary if you let her have the room to play the role, but there is most often a more pragmatic side to these ladies. I would waste one more long text on her and then move on if it fails.

Text her and say something like "Hello X. I really like you. I am leaving in why days and I want to make love with you before I leave. We can have something more than just casual friendship, and you know this. But only if you are mature enough for it? I am an adult man, and I will only entertain an adult relationship. Are you ready for this? Or you wanted me to come to Davao just so you could play games? Let us meet <I insert free slot in calendar< I in the lobby of my hotel. Please do not be late. I really hate to wait for people who are late, and I have meetings in the evening. If you are more then 15 minutes late, I will leave. Looking forward to see you. Love."

Note the hard love, border-lining to what many would consider a sociopath personality that shifts between tender words and whip. Like a poodle that does not bark before it bites. It works. Take command.

The said meetings are the standard ones that you always have, every evening. The ones you later will cancel by telepathic powers laying in bed with her arms around you, if you like the girl and want to score some additional points & pussy.

BMy friend Barba may be the only erotica mystic I know, having developed an entire metaphysics based on libidinous abstraction. I stand in awe. I agree in general, with Barba's earlier classifications of people--and I think it's all people here, not merely women--though I probably would have labeled the categories differently, as I think there's a strong correlation between intellectual and personality development and social class:

1. The thoroughly professional, highly intelligent (and smallest) genus. Filipinos in this category are almost intellectually indistinguishable from Westerners. They're well educated, usually have at least two degrees, and typically, though not always, were educated at Ateneo de Manila or UP Diliman. They tend to come from thouroughly upper middle class to rich families, and would not be caught dead in the usual pick-up places. Some members of the genus are well traveled, most are well read, and my gross estimate is they constitute somewhere between 5-10% of the population, amd are heavily concentrated in the Makati, Ft Bomifacio / Taguig areas of Metro Manila. Your odds on meeting them without an intermediary introduction are negligible. In terms of the social classifications used by the Government of the Philippines, most members of this genus come from Class A or be families.

2. The college educated, bright but less cultured and sophisticated genus, comprising about 25% of the population. Members of this genus have typically completed at least four years at at least mediocre institutions, have acquired (but were not born to) some sophistication, but are neither as well read, fully formed or polished as the members of the class to which I've referred above. Members of this class are more aspirational and thus more available than those above, amd may indeed be approached in some of the more upscale venues. The geographic dispersion of this class is much broader than category 1, and its members may be found throughout the larger cities such as Davao and Cebu, though rarely in the rural provincial areas. More than their sisters in the first category, members of this class may view foreigners as a rung up on their ladders of aspiration and may thus be more approachable. Many members of this genus come from Class see families, though the lower rungs of Class be may also be represented.

3. The scratchers, who may not have completed high school, likely didn't complete university and almost invariably come from less well to do families. Members of this class are well known to the average foreigner, who are perceived by class members often as poverty alleviation mechanisms. As foreigners are perceived by women of this class as instruments of improved material existence, women within this class will often venture to sites most frequented by foreingers--discos, pick-up bars, Internet cafés, less expensive restaurants, etc. Given the lack of economic and educational opportunities endemic to this class, intellects are barely developed, meaningful conversation is difficult and the range of adaptive behavior is narrow, hence the frequent "huh?" responses to the multiple questions and statements, often uttered by foreigners, that these ladies simply don't understand.

Naturally, these generalizations are broad strokes, and there are of course exceptions. I'm guessing that most casual visitors to this country encounter, for the most part, members of the third class, as the degree of difficulty in meeting / bedding women increases as one climbs the genre ladder.

GE.

On The Road

08-15-14, 05:59

OTR, I hear you. I do not live there either but visit regularly since many years. Why did you wait one hour? I would not wait one minute. Without knowing you, I am struck that this might be a case of "western man"-syndrome. Too much questions and too little command. It is more subtle in Davao than say Kiev, but the need for the man to take command is just as prevalent. Whatever room you are giving them to play good wife material, they will take. She will be fucking mother Mary if you let her have the room to play the role, but there is most often a more pragmatic side to these ladies. I would waste one more long text on her and then move on if it fails.

Text her and say something like "Hello X. I really like you. I am leaving in why days and I want to make love with you before I leave. We can have something more than just casual friendship, and you know this. But only if you are mature enough for it? I am an adult man, and I will only entertain an adult relationship. Are you ready for this? Or you wanted me to come to Davao just so you could play games? Let us meet <I insert free slot in calendar< I in the lobby of my hotel. Please do not be late. I really hate to wait for people who are late, and I have meetings in the evening. If you are more then 15 minutes late, I will leave. Looking forward to see you. Love."

Note the hard love, border-lining to what many would consider a sociopath personality that shifts between tender words and whip. Like a poodle that does not bark before it bites. It works. Take command.

The said meetings are the standard ones that you always have, every evening. The ones you later will cancel by telepathic powers laying in bed with her arms around you, if you like the girl and want to score some additional points & pussy.

BGood advice, Barba. Thanks again.

Although this is not my usual style, I will try to use it, let's see what happens.

At least she will stop sending text every hour asking where am I and what am I doing.

On The Road

08-15-14, 06:18

"I'm sorry.

But I want you you to know, that I'm not yet ready for that matter.

I'm happy to meet someone like you, I'm happy to have friend like you, I treasure it.

Problem solved.

On The Road

08-17-14, 02:43

Funny last two days, thanks to Sam14 really great help.

After the DIA girl continue texting me, asking for a "remembrance", and my backup DIA contact stopped answering my text for the day (just texting me again the next day), I switched to the p4 p scene.

He gave me his pimp contact, one funny and crazy woman, and introduced me to her.

I texted her and meet her and her sister, and after some waiting one girl, Jaycel, showed up. Not a supermodel, but pretty enough for the deal. The only problem was that she looked very young and she was with no I'd with her, and even if she said to be 21 I wanted to play safe.

So she went back home to get I'd, and she really was 19.

I gave the pimp 1500 for the girl (but she take commission.) and 200 for her, as Sam suggested me, and I didn't try to bargain.

We had a good session, even if the "up to 8 am" soon became "I must go home" after a couple of hours.

The best part was that, going away, she told me "would you like to meet my superhot 18 yo friend tomorrow?" Yes, of course! So we switched our numbers.

Next day we text and we manage to meet at my hotel at 7 pm. They show up both and, OMG, her friend Michelle (not real name) was really superhot!

As the night before, Michelle told me "sorry I don't have permission from my parents to sleep here, but if you want we can have a threesome!

It was just for an hour, but what an hour!

I give them 1000 php each plus some taxi money.

The funny thing was that after that I went eating to Ayala and after some minutes Jaycel come in the same restaurant with some friends, maybe with her boyfriend. We were one in front of the other, and looked so worried and trying to avoid eye contact. But I'm a gentleman and even if we had a threesome just one hour before, I ignored them.

Thanks again to Sam14 this could happen!

Now I am just arrived in Cdo looking for some similar adventure.

I love this country!

Stroker Ace88

08-17-14, 05:23

Funny last two days, thanks to Sam14 really great help.

After the DIA girl continue texting me, asking for a "remembrance", and my backup DIA contact stopped answering my text for the day (just texting me again the next day), I switched to the p4 p scene.

SNIP OTR,

Just FYI, posting names of filipinas you met in Davao on this forum is not a good idea.

Davao might seem like a large enough city, and it is in many respects, but locals read this forum and the bamboo telephone is alive and well. Gossip (chismis) is the national sport in many places and the mention of a name on a sex website might be enough for someone to put 2 + 2 together.

Take the advice and refrain from posting names, for her security and for yours. I'm just saying, play safe mate.

If you feel the need to include names, use something like 'Miss M' or 'DIA babe #3'.

Davao in particular and Mindanao generally is the one place where you do not want to intentionally "out" the ladies you spent time with or the fact you were / are in town on a monger mission.

Just a heads up.

On The Road

08-17-14, 05:37

OTR,

Just FYI, posting names of filipinas you met in Davao on this forum is not a good idea.

Davao might seem like a large enough city, and it is in many respects, but locals read this forum and the bamboo telephone is alive and well. Gossip (chismis) is the national sport in many places and the mention of a name on a sex website might be enough for someone to put 2 + 2 together.

Take the advice and refrain from posting names, for her security and for yours. I'm just saying, play safe mate.

If you feel the need to include names, use something like 'Miss M' or 'DIA babe #3'.

Davao in particular and Mindanao generally is the one place where you do not want to intentionally "out" the ladies you spent time with or the fact you were / are in town on a monger mission.

Just a heads up.Maybe you're right, I just reported my own post asking to censure names.

I just thought that on a so big city only a name can't be so identifying, but I think it can be my mistake.

I hope admin can censure it soon, don't want to cause the girl any trouble.

Stroker Ace88

08-17-14, 06:42

maybe you're right, i just reported my own post asking to censure names.

i just thought that on a so big city only a name can't be so identifying, but i think it can be my mistake.

i hope admin can censure it soon, don't want to cause the girl any trouble.otr,

well the real trouble would be yours if someone put things together and confronted her with the fact she was paid 1 k for a threesome with her classmate. she would switch things around by saying she was forced, tricked or raped by you to save face to not look like a gro. davao is pretty conservative.

the senior members that frequent / live in the philippines often use the 'miss m' thing, change dates and places and blur faces and any identifying items in posted pics.

Member #4491

08-17-14, 21:36

I probably would have labeled the categories differently, as I think there's a strong correlation between intellectual and personality development and social class Spot on GE. This is the adult version of my little observation. But I think that my categorization in some respects also spans over the socioeconomic groups of this lovely collection of dots on the edge of the Pacific. I have dated at least one girl from group 1 that was in her early twenties, but acted like a vain fifteen year old brat. Totally hopeless with most things, and very romantic in that silly girly pink Philippina way. (But that maybe puts her in class 2, even if she was from a rich family and had read a book outside school?) In any case, she later married a German with a lot of property. Last time we communicated she was unhappy with it all and wanted to go back playing teenager.

Nowadays I stick to group 2 (or girls rapidly heading for 2) for girlfriend material, and more or less always to g3 for "occasional daytime entertainment". Occasional daytime entertainment does not involve much talking nowadays.

My friend Barba may be the only erotica mystic I know, having developed an entire metaphysics based on libidinous abstraction.And in some weeks the research continues. Hope you are around by then, my friend.

B

Roll Aides

08-22-14, 06:03

To OTR. I wouldn't consider getting her in your room a wasted night. How about hours wasted texting girls you never see again? Davao young ladies are shy and very conservative for the most part. They can be playful and friendly, but to me they're allot more immature than their counterparts. Barba wrote a brilliant piece on it. I don't know how to link to it so I'll just do it like this.I remember reading this post by Barba three years ago, and I have thought about it every time I try to grok Philippine psychology since then. Which is often. And it never fails to illuminate. Also a post by GE, in which he points out how basically the entire populace is arrested at an adolescent level of mental, emotional and social development. For their entire lives. That one struck me like a lightning bolt. If you think about it, literally like 99% of the shit you witness here becomes clear.

I've never been to Davao, but I love this forum because these guys, and others like Redkilt, have so much useful shit to say about how things really are in the PH. Unlike other destinations, where the culture is so obviously alien that one expects things to be different, the Philippines presents a slippery slope, where almost everything is close enough to western on the surface that it's constantly a shock to discover what an unmitigated fuckmuddle you've actually stepped into.

Anyway, thanks guys, for the continually entertaining, and above all useful, posts that I find here in Davao.

GoodEnough

08-22-14, 23:26

Sam 14

11-03-14, 17:32

And don't forget the hundreds of thousands of very young girls in the PI who have lost their virginity to a father, uncle, older cousin, or older half-brother before they reached puberty. SNIP

SNIP> Most province girls have already been got at by local pinoys from the age of 15. Have a look around at how many 18 year olds are lugging a 2 or 3 year old around. <SNIP We may be in the same country, but it seems we may be in different worlds. Without counting, I'd guess in my phone list I have 20-30 girls of the age 18-20 that are virgins still and never even had a real kiss.

I can't speak to whether they been shagged by their family or not, but you see all these young college students and they're just so innocent and fragile. They're 18 up already, but they have the mental development of a 10 year old. They're falling all over each other, they're high five'n each other every five seconds, they fall over in hysterical laughter because someone dropped their pencil.

I was trying to think of how many college students I've actually turned out on my own, and I don't run out of fingers, not even on one hand. It's easy enough with a little help to get some to play, but they're the few that have grown up quicker, and usually not of the top shelf variety. (Thanks to my friend for the FB contacts, haven't gotten into that yet) But seems most of the younger hot stuff are NBSB. (No BF Since Birth).

Even in their early 20's you get allot of that. I've met so many that still won't get involved in any kind of relationship. "I have to focus on my studies" or "focus on my work." Hell, I met one when I was doing my unemployment office scam. She told me "I have to focus on my family" I just laughed and said, you're 22 Sweetheart. At what point in your life do you focus on yourself?

Furthermore, even after being popped, they can go indefinitely without penis. I got two I'm working on that haven't had it in 3 years. I got one that hasn't had it in a year, at the age of 26!. She's ready, I had my face in her pussy already, but I didn't sock it to her because I don't want to hurt her, she's going to want a commitment. And my favorite one from Davao (not pictured) hasn't had it since I left over 6 months ago. I believe it too, because when we got together again she was tight as a young boy's ass. The more she'd moan and groan in my ear, the bigger my dick got, so the tighter the pussy got, so the more she'd moan and groan!

Luckily it's a big enough place, so with a little effort there's enough willing participants. And the mayor is keeping the place clean, he's got my vote.

Pantot

11-03-14, 19:49

We may be in the same country, but it seems we may be in different worlds. Without counting, I'd guess in my phone list I have 20-30 girls of the age 18-20 that are virgins still and never even had a real kiss.I have to agree with you Sam those two statements were wildly off the mark from Amavida and Rubio. The fact that there were so many 18 to 23 yo virgins in the Phils is what surprised me when I first started going over there. Maybe its because I visited a half a dozen provinces before ever finding Angeles city. What provinces have you visited Amavida? I would put the percentage of 18 yo virgins much there than here in the USA or most western countries. Sam is correct about the never been touched remark. Its not like when we were teens with 1st base 2nd base progression. Over there when the guy gets the girl alone and she gets him started he's not going to stop and she's going to submit. Foreplay isn't these boys forte. I'd say in the provinces that more 18 yo girls are virgin than not. Its not like that in the west.

The reason you see the babies is that birth control or abortion are so rare. Amavida if the local high school anywhere in the western world had the contraceptive and abortion attitudes of province pinays, the majority of the seniors would be lugging a toddler. You must be from a very strict society. Like a Muslim country? Compared to Cambodians maybe province pinays are promiscuous but not from the home countries of all English speaking Phils mongers.

As to the rates of [CodeWord128] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128), just from my experience with Pinays, I don't think in the Phils its at all more or less common than anywhere else on earth and throughout human history for that matter. What makes you think its so much more common in the Phils Rubio? Sure they all sleep in the same bed but that suppresses not increases sexual activity.

Sam 14

11-04-14, 13:17

I have to agree with you Sam those two statements were wildly off the mark from Amavida and Rubio. Thanks for your remarks. But I didn't mean to insinuate their comments were off mark, I wouldn't know. I was just commenting on what I find in Davao, and Mindanao in general. I transferred their posts from the AC thread. The time I spent on Luzon Island, I saw a big difference in attitude and maturity, playfulness, economic status. An American expat in La Union I ran into used the analogy comparing Mindanao to Luzon like comparing New Yorkers to Californians. I thought that was kinda interesting. BTW, isn't pantot the Indonesian word for butt? Maybe I'll PM you about that place, I may want to go have another look.

Sam 14

11-04-14, 15:49

I messed up the order. I meant to say he used the analogy comparing Mindanao to Luzon like comparing Californians to New Yorkers. Meaning in Luzon, the people seem a bit more to themselves, less interested in our business.

Roll Aides

11-04-14, 18:54

I think there's not really a conflict here. The case, in my perception, has been this: There are basically two types of girl in the Philippines - they will, and they won't.

Now that may seem like an oversimplification, but what I am trying to say is that both views are valid. I have experienced this. You get your abstinent types, and you get your early pregnancy types. How any human can get along willingly without sex for many years at a time is beyond my mortal comprehension, but I hypothesize that it's the constant bombardment by family, church and school (also church) that they need to ignore boys and / or save themselves for marriage, that produces a mentality devoid of effective inter-gender yearnings. A sufficient amount of cultural conditioning has the capability to crush human instincts. Sadly.

For those that don't conform, or who aren't inculcated so severely, the almost inevitable outcome is a baby on the hip by the late teens, as contraception is poorly thought of here and indeed perhaps more to the point actually unknown amongst the types that are susceptible to taking a dick because they want to. This perhaps might not apply to the highest class of modern educated Pinay who can do both, like a westerner, but for the endless majority in the provinces et al it is almost a certainty. Hence the varying observations. Shopping in different markets, indeed. But not in different worlds per se. Just in one particularly shitbrained world.

Hutsori

11-04-14, 19:15

I hypothesize that it's the constant bombardment by family, church and school (also church) that they need to ignore boys and / or save themselves for marriage, that produces a mentality devoid of effective inter-gender yearnings. A sufficient amount of cultural conditioning has the capability to crush human instincts. Sadly.I think there is much to that. The group's opinion of a girl is very important to her. For those who live in smaller communities there's always in one's mind one is being observed and gossiped about constantly. I think this holds true even for the big city. A fubu who I met on CL expressed it this way: "Manila is really a small town. " Though it's 12 million+ inhabitants, people inhabit tight social circles. Hooking up with a foreigner is "safer" when she avoids the places where her social groups gather. For girls who move away and taste freedom the external regulators are gone, and for some perhaps the internal inhibitors aren't well developed. Then she post photos on wastebook of herself wearing a bikini and someone informs her mother. Oh the scandal!

FreebieFan

11-05-14, 02:12

Thanks Roll Aides for the kind words. I'm glad you find my halting attempt to understand this culture somewhat helpful. I has a discussion yesterday with a friend, and we focused on the same general topic. We agreed that the mistake made by many Westerners is to make the assumption that since many Filipinos speak English, and since this is a nominally Catholic country, that it resembles the West. The truth is however that the "Westernization" is a very thin patina, and that this place is just as culturally opaque as its neighbors.

GE.When I worked in Manila, I had to fire / release / let go a good few Europeans and Americans, who got themselves into big trouble on the job. Invariably, their excuse reasoning was, " hey, they spoke English, they looked at me directly, they liked the same songs I liked, they acted the same as me ". They just hadn't realised that speaking English and acting Western, wasnt necessarily the same as being Western. Far from it indeed.

Roll Aides

11-05-14, 06:11

When I worked in Manila, I had to fire / release / let go a good few Europeans and Americans, who got themselves into big trouble on the job. Invariably, their excuse reasoning was, " hey, they spoke English, they looked at me directly, they liked the same songs I liked, they acted the same as me ". They just hadn't realized that speaking English and acting Western, wasn't necessarily the same as being Western. Far from it indeed.

I think the key thing here is "acted. " The longer you are here, the more you realize that EVERYTHING a Pinay does is an act. It's pretty much the core of their culture.

Roll Aides

11-05-14, 08:16

I think there is much to that. The group's opinion of a girl is very important to her. For those who live in smaller communities there's always in one's mind one is being observed and gossiped about constantly. I think this holds true even for the big city. A fubu who I met on CL expressed it this way: "Manila is really a small town. " Though it's 12 million+ inhabitants, people inhabit tight social circles. Hooking up with a foreigner is "safer" when she avoids the places where her social groups gather. For girls who move away and taste freedom the external regulators are gone, and for some perhaps the internal inhibitors aren't well developed. Then she post photos on wastebook of herself wearing a bikini and someone informs her mother. Oh the scandal!Nice observation Hut. One more good reason to meet girls off their home turf.

GoodEnough

11-05-14, 10:24

I think the key thing here is "acted. " The longer you are here, the more you realize that EVERYTHING a Pinay does is an act. It's pretty much the core of their culture.It's quite easy I think, to fall into the trap of concluding that because Filipinos speak at least some English, because they're largely Christian and of course, because they play basketball, the country is a sort of slightly out of focus version of the West. But as many of us know, these characteristics, to say nothing of a fervid but flawed imitation of Western culture are but a microns thin patina, and the truth is that this country is as culturally opaque and inaccessible as Thai or Vietnamese culture. Some never achieve this epiphany, while others realize it fairly quickly.

GE.

Roll Aides

11-05-14, 14:20

It's quite easy I think, to fall into the trap of concluding that because Filipinos speak at least some English, because they're largely Christian and of course, because they play basketball, the country is a sort of slightly out of focus version of the West. But as many of us know, these characteristics, to say nothing of a fervid but flawed imitation of Western culture are but a microns thin patina, and the truth is that this country is as culturally opaque and inaccessible as Thai or Vietnamese culture. Some never achieve this epiphany, while others realize it fairly quickly.

GE.I found Thais pretty straightforward. I mean, their culture is incredibly alien to a westerner, but it's not attempting to hide that at all. Although totally different, it has its own internal logic, to at least the degree that any western civilization does. It's been around for about 4000 years. It works for them. It might not be what we grew up with, but it's a culture and if anything there are actually fewer internal inconsistencies, after all is said and done, than in ours. In fact, from what I've observed, their worst problems come from trying to adopt western attitudes and political systems, like foul weeds sprouting in a once-lovely garden. Or perhaps more accurately, like any non-native life form transplanted into a foreign ecology, there is a danger of it ruining the ecosystem that it is not adapted for nor the system to it. But I digress. . .

The realization you refer to took me almost three years, and it's still dawning on me. At this point, I'm trying to shine a light on what actually are the defining characteristics of the Filipino mindset. That is to say, what is under the patina. I don't believe it's actually that opaque, it's just really hard to get to because of the, as you say, fervid portrayal of what is going on on the surface. But once you learn to put those glasses on, it can be seen through pretty easily. I admit that I have limited incentive because it's not particularly pretty. But, one of the things that is for certain a national characteristic is the proclivity to pretend. It's the land of make-believe. Or as Barba put it, "as if". That's why it's so hard to come to the realization that it's a truly foreign culture. Sort of like you are trying to classify alien lifeforms, and you come across a mimic, a metamorph. What is it? It's whatever it pretends to be. It can be hard to get to what's underneath.

As for what is underneath, the only other definite properties that I have detected so far, are a tendency to thievishness, a complete disregard for any sort of moral truth, except as pretended to, and a hard-to-describe but very specific flavor of tribal me-first, me-last, me-deserve-anything mentality that I have yet to put a name to. Perhaps there is not an English name for this, although the results of it are sometimes described by Pinoys themselves as a "crab mentality. " That doesn't quite get to the core of it though, it's more like an outcome. An overly emotional nature that includes in the female populace a degree of clinginess that has to be experienced to be believed. Poor impulse control. Love of cliches and commercial memes. As we've discussed before, a mental and developmental arrestation at the age of approximately a highschool sophomore. Not for all, but that's where the middle of the bell curve is, and there's a very small standard deviation. The list goes on.

As I said, I've found that I have little motivation to investigate further, given the subject matter. At this point, I'm pretty much satisfied to leave it at the old line, "how do you know an X is lying? Because their lips are moving. " You can get on the ground with that assumption and be almost 100% prepared for anything that will happen here. That and keep your wallet in a pocket that buttons, and keep anything you value in a safe. There's a reason every nice house here has a high wall around it, and every convenience store has a guy outside with a shotgun. Don't ignore the clues. That wasn't directed at you GE, I know you know how to live here, and thank you again to you and all the other guys on the forum who have taught me how to see through the shit.

Dg8787

11-05-14, 16:36

I was lost for a while thinking this thread was for sex. Now I see it serves as a thread for some foreigners to mentally circle jerk off.

Roll Aides

11-05-14, 16:53

I was lost for a while thinking this thread was for sex. Now I see it serves as a thread for some foreigners to mentally circle jerk off.Sorry my analysis didn't please you, Dg8787. One of the things that I value about the out-of-the-way Davao subforum. Is that sometimes topics are discussed that do not directly relate to sex. I realize that is not for everyone here, but then again you have a quite a huge variety of posts to choose from. Perhaps you could visit the photo thread for example, Westcoast has some nice new pics up as usual. But thank you for participating, you have definitely shed some unexpected illumination on this subject. Way to go!

Dg8787

11-05-14, 17:14

Sorry my analysis didn't please you, Dg8787. One of the things that I value about the out-of-the-way Davao subforum. Is that sometimes topics are discussed that do not directly relate to sex. I realize that is not for everyone here, but then again you have a quite a huge variety of posts to choose from. Perhaps you could visit the photo thread for example, Westcoast has some nice new pics up as usual. But thank you for participating, you have definitely shed some unexpected illumination on this subject. Way to go!To tell the truth I find the posts that foreigners comparing the Philippines and / or Filippinos to their first world country with some superiority quite offensive. Why are you using your country as the benchmark? It seems like after one poster post then the others want to show how brilliant they each are with their posts. I am waiting for someone to start using graphs and pie charts. One big mental circle jerk off. We all have a very limited experience and encounters with ALL the Filipino people. Certainly not enough to form absolute oppinions.

Roll Aides

11-05-14, 17:27

To tell the truth I find the posts that foreigners comparing the Philippines and / or Filippinos to their first world country with some superiority quite offensive. Why are you using your country as the benchmark? It seems like after one poster post then the others want to show how brilliant they each are with their posts. I am waiting for someone to start using graphs and pie charts. One big mental circle jerk off. We all have a very limited experience and encounters with ALL the Filipino people. Certainly not enough to form absolute oppinions.Actually if you will read a bit more carefully, I think that you easily see 1) that, if anything, I was comparing the Philippines with Thailand, another newly industrialized county; 2) that my observations are mostly made from an absolute perspective (easy to form if you use logic and facts as a criteria rather than opinions and emotions,) not really with regard to anything else; and 3) that, if anything, I regard American culture, my home country by the way, as by far a detriment to most of the other cultures that it comes in contact with, rather than as an ideal against which to hold or compare other parts of the world. But again, thanks for playing, you have added a truly unique perspective, although I will omit to investigate it, for reasons precisely similar to those mentioned below.

FreebieFan

11-06-14, 03:53

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1641247. We all have a very limited experience and encounters with ALL the Filipino people. Certainly not enough to form absolute oppinions. / QUOTE.

We all have opinions that we have formed based on one day, one week, one month, one year or 30 plus years on and in country. Where's the problem in sharing those opinions.

The only way one would have an absolute opinion would be to be Filipino, and as you might know, a Filipino from Luzon may have an absolutely different absolute opinion from a Filipino in Mindanao.

By sharing we all learn that we sometimes have similar or differing opinions about the country and the fine people who live there.

Its an interesting board, made more interesting by such discussions, and yes, occasionally the subject matter veers off tangent, but it invariably returns to sex.

Sit back, relax and ignore the parts of the discuss and the diverse opinions to which you can't relate.

Redman69

11-10-14, 04:21

I do not see why talking about understanding something is racist or being judgmental. I am from the US. I can tell you I wonder why 2195 people were killed in Chicago in 2013 alone. Just as many lining up for 2014. I wonder why it is mostly blacks shooting blacks. I wonder why my president was a senator from there and a community organizer from there but has not had 1 public idea on how to address this issue. I wonder what the world thinks about this. It is like Bagdad on a daily basses. And I watch TV and check the internet and look for answers.

My niece told me and she is in Cebu that at school they taught her 1/2 Philippine's is Bi-polar. That is what they told her in physch. Class. Being married to a pinay, Divorced from a pinay. Having 3 kids who are 1/2 pinay. And dealing with family counceling and other family issues here and looking for answers on my X and current wifes. I am glad people here talk about this stuff. The Bi-;or has something to do with bonding between conception and 3 years old. So many women in RP have babys and send them home. They get passed around and never get the firm bonding exp. Needed In those years. It was studied with all the orphans from Romania. I am an electrician so am not an expert. But can see some truths in this.

I started mongering at 12 years old. Got married and was faithfull for 5 years. Lost our 3rd baby and spent 7 more years watching it all end. I am 59 and married to a 22 year old. She knows all my past. She tells me when the family hussle is coming. She knows it is 50/50 I would get knocked off by her family if I lived there. Why because she would get stuff and they would take it. She was born in Gen. Santos and grew up in Carcar. I do not think her telling me these things makes her a uncle Tom as we say here. I think it is her caring enough about us to tell me the truth.

I still come to this board because it is full of men like me trying to figure life out. And I share a lot of the same past as they. I am glad all share even the ones I do not agree with. As I do learn new things daily.

Sam 14

11-26-14, 19:11

<SNIP> back in 2005, and traveled to Davao to meet her. <SNIP> she didn't have a swimsuit, so we stopped at Gaisano Mall to buy one for her. We were in the department store there, and she took three swimsuits into the dressing rooms to try on. In the 5-10 minutes she was in there, three cute dept store employees approached me and asked if she was my GF. I said no, we just met in person, she has been my penpal. All three girls then gave me their cp numbers. I love the Philippines! LOLYa, love that!! How blessed we are to be young and gwapo!

Haha, whatever. . More towards reality. (Not at you RT). There was a time when hitting up sales ladies was my number one occupation. But nowadays I feel more like a kid in a candy store, but the cheap Cloud 9's on the lower shelf is all I can reach. I still love flirting with them, but not so much as a poon getting strategy anymore. It's easy pickin on them because they're sitting targets. It's great for the ego at first, and it's fun because they're cute and playful. Sometimes I get em going with "I'm searching for something brown." It's funny watching them offer up all the "available" ones, clear across other departments sometimes.

But the sobering reality of it is, when it comes right down to it, few actually want to be the available one. Now I think of it like this. Getting them to text you is about like getting them to add you on Wastebook. (Thanks Hut). No risk there, they love texting anyway. So you're allot more likely to get a million group messages and time-to-eat reminders than you are to get your two pops in on her next rest day.

I've rooted three that I can think of, and the bodies didn't look like the mannequins. One happened when her contract expired and wanted to barrow money. And the other 2 were just horny. Obviously if you search in the older and chubbier department, your odds improve. I got stopped by two sales ladies in the hallway outside the CR in a Gmall way outside of Davao. I could have shagged them both that evening, but they were rather hideous.

Even though most are on 6 month contracts, at least their future is stable for the next little while. So they take their job seriously. It's amazing how many are "focusing on their work" and are too "bzy" when you could loose more than they make in a day and not even notice it. And just a side note, at GMall they're required to cut that pretty black hair short, what a shame.

The general junk stores work sometimes, those sales ladies generally aren't as tall or cute, and they make even less. But usually their shifts are for the duration of whenever the store is open. So you can get their number and just wait till they loose their job, or otherwise decide they like you.

So there's my story, shopping for live merchandise in Davao malls gets old, far from the shooting fish in a barrel feeling you get after grabbing a bunch of numbers.

Better luck finding ones that are still "finding" work.

Member #4491

12-04-14, 01:31

And just a side note, at GMall they're required to cut that pretty black hair short, what a shame.I was fucking one cute GMall cutie a couple of times, and she told me that there had been an occasion where a girl stole money rolled up in her hair, hence everyone now has to wear it short. Radical solution.

B

Sam 14

12-04-14, 19:52

I frequently use a slightly different tactic than I've read about on the Chat Room thread. Rather than making it clear that sex is expected if she comes to my place, I tell them I don't expect anything, and I promise I'm not going to try to sex them. Sounds corny but it builds their trust enough to get them in the door, then it's usually pretty easy after that. Because after all, she's a good gurl, and she's not like the others. And a generous gift of P1,000 is even more appreciated, because it just kinda happened.

Latest scene just finished tonight. Been working on a gwapa 18 year old virgin on and off for a while now. I've had her over a few times and finally today she's ready. But the wish list has gotten way too heavy, and is now more like the expected list. Christmas is coming, she's going to be traveling, a new phone has been mentioned, breeze of teeth (braces), etc. So as of today, that hot stuff is going to be for her lucky husband.

Anyhow, her 21 year old cousin text me tonight checkin in. I told her it was over, and I was lonely and needed attention. I said just come by, and don't worry, I'm not going to bang you. We're just going to hang out for a while. And maybe I'll just kiss you all over. She liked the sound of that, so I got into a little more detail, and it must have turned her on. "Pero you promise no sex?" Yes, Sweetheart, I promise. So she arrives, we get her on her back, and it gets under way. Well, within less than 5 minutes of pussy licking she was fired up and we were shaggin like rats. Oops, I broke my promise, sorry. . "It's ukie".

Sam 14

01-27-15, 19:00

Wicked Roger

01-27-15, 23:25

Right in the heart of the super conservative Davao. I'm taking a troll through Victoria Plaza and amongst old women, young children, nuns, and innocent school girls, I run across this! The booth is located near MacDo in case any of you freaks are interested. (Smile).Sam,

Did you get an idea of prices? Generally more expensive than what one can buy elsewhere and then pack in your luggage.

I am asking purely for scientific interest and my ongoing PhD research into pricing comparatives between the Philippines and the rest of the world.

And. . . Any more 'interesting' items or just the standard fare? LOL.

Sam 14

01-28-15, 06:27

Sam,

Did you get an idea of prices? Generally more expensive than what one can buy elsewhere and then pack in your luggage.

I am asking purely for scientific interest and my ongoing PhD research into pricing comparatives between the Philippines and the rest of the world.

And. . . Any more 'interesting' items or just the standard fare? LOL.Yes, you are correct, the prices are inflated. I'd go with an estimated 50% higher price tag than I've seen see in say, the Untied States.

And yes, I did see a more interesting item slow down as she was passing by. She scurried off in apparent terror when I tried to get her attention.

Funny thing happened. I was looking for something like Westie showed, I forget what he calls it. It's that giant thing with a cord. I figured I'd just go to GMall Department store. So I was guided around 3 separate floors and finally ended up in the cosmetic section. The 2 sales ladies were rather cute and sexy. It was so funny, all they had in stock were 2 or 3 tiny battery operated things. The girls would open up the packages and try to demonstrate. One of the (massage) units even had a 4 inch skinny shape. We were all just kindof grinning, pretty much thinking the same thing. That just reminds me, I need to go follow up on that.

Hutsori

01-28-15, 07:53

I was looking for something like Westie showed, I forget what he calls it. It's that giant thing with a cord.I believe that is the Hitachi Magic Wand massager. I suspect it's a bring-from-home item rather than a buy-in-the-Philippines one. Check the online adult toy sellers and sulit.

WestCoast1

01-28-15, 14:02

I believe that is the Hitachi Magic Wand massager. I suspect it's a bring-from-home item rather than a buy-in-the-Philippines one. Check the online adult toy sellers and sulit.Also found on amazon.com. $40-ish.

Member #4297

01-31-15, 19:57

Hi everybody.

I just returned to my country after spending 6 months in Davao, it was the first time in my life going to Asia and even though I have been mongering since 2011 but its the first time I travel looking for freebies. So everything felt new for me and unique in a positive way after spending the past 4 years in Prague privats, Amsterdam windows and German FKK / Partytreffs.

August:

I arrived Davao on the first day of August 2014 . There were at least 20 girls waiting to meet me and the reason for this is that luckily I was completely free 4 months before the trip. So I used these 4 months to have daily contacts / exchange of messages / chats / Skype with lots of girls. I do realize that 4 months of preparations does sound like an "overkill" but it lead to August being one of the most wonderful months in my entire life. Things went so perfectly smooth that I felt like I'm in heaven by having a new girl each day.

September:

In September things turned negatively almost 180 degree. The reason for this is that I "run out of the girls that I already knew / prepared" . I met all of them in August. So I had 2 options to continue getting pussy:

1- option number 1 is to hunt girls in parks / malls. And this did not go so well because Filipinos are social people. So its unlikely to see a girl taking a walk alone in a park / mall. Mostly she will be with a group of friends. And I don't know about you guys but let me be honest by saying that I don't have enough balls to invade a group just to approach a girl. So this option mostly went well for me with sales lady only which basically mean: go to a mall, find a cute sales lady, chat with her, get her number, arrange a meeting with her.

2- option number 2 is to use the dating websites. And even though this became my main way of getting pussy till the end of the trip but it was tiring actually because the girls did not knew me (they were not so comfortable) so it did not go as smooth as the August girls (which are the girls whom I already prepared contact with for months) . Filipinas are always late / the chance of them cancelling the meeting was not so low and this will eventually fuck my day since its not easy to get a date with new girl immediately / the conservative, shy girls were pain in the ass.

I was still able to get lots of girls to my bed in September but it was very tiring month that I even though to stop the trip and return to my country.

October:

In the last day of September I met a very unique girl, she is tall, very sexy, always horny, she likes to cum at least twice a day, when we walk in the street people always stare at her because she is one of the sexiest Filipinas I ever seen.

Basically I spent the whole October with her. Spending a whole month with 1 girl was not originally in my plans but I was convinced with my decision because I did not want October to be tiring / stressful just like September.

November and December:

By the beginning of November I decided to stop being with this girl regardless of how sexy she is but things started to feel repeated kinda like a boyfriend / girlfriend and that is not my purpose of being in Philippines. So I'm back again to the dating game. But this time I decided to also return to my old hobby of P4 P. The P4 P scene in Davao is not impressive but still fun. The bar-fine at the clubs is too expensive and the street prostitutes rating is mostly between 4 and 7 . So its obviously not a city to visit just for the P4 P scene. However I want to share the following information about P4 P scene:

The best place regarding clubs is hot legs. Hot legs prices are (115 pesos entry+1 beer. 65 pesos for each new beer. 300 pesos for lady drinks. 1500 pesos for VIP room. 2500 pesos for barfine) . Those are hot legs branches:

* hot legs san pedro, its located next to hotel my hotel and its the biggest, best hot legs branch. Even the girls there are better than other hot legs branches.

* hot legs palma hills. Located infront of royal mindaya hotel. The second best hot legs.

* hot legs anda street (in downtown), its tiny with few girls. Not worth a visit.

* hot legs Buhangain (near Buhangain public market) , also tiny, few girls and not worth a visit.

Notes: there was a nice hot legs in Claveria but they closed it recently. There is also a hot legs in panabo but that is outside of davao.

Regarding clubs there are also 2 good clubs that are not hot legs. One of them is newly opened and its located exactly infront of hotel my hotel. And the other one is in palma hill located exactly infront of hot legs palma hill. Both of those clubs have similar rules / system / prices to hot legs.

The best place for street prostitutes is the central bank chicks (near g mall) . I usually pay 500 Pesos for short term. There are also lots of girls in / around san pedro street at night but the ones in central bank are much better looking. My personal favourite way of enjoying Davao P4 P scene is to go to hot legs / watch the ladies dancing / chat, play with some of them / get drunk / go to central bank and choose a girl there / fuck Short term then sleep.

January:

By January I already had enough from all those adventures, beautiful memories and delicious pussies so I spent my last month in Davao living with a sweet, decent, caring girl.

It was defiantly an unforgeable experience in a positive way. I want to say thank you for all of you guys for helping me in your reports and especially to those who offered me direct help when I needed it when I was preparing for the trip. Happy mongering everybody!

X Man

02-01-15, 09:53

You spent six months in Davao? That's it? Okay, I'll read again.

Hi everybody.

I just returned to my country after spending 6 months in Davao, it was the first time in my life going to Asia and even though I have been mongering since 2011 but its the first time I travel looking for freebies. So everything felt new for me and unique in a positive way after spending the past 4 years in Prague privats, Amsterdam windows and German FKK / Partytreffs.

August:

I arrived Davao on the first day of August 2014 . There were at least 20 girls waiting to meet me and the reason for this is that luckily I was completely free 4 months before the trip. So I used these 4 months to have daily contacts / exchange of messages / chats / Skype with lots of girls. I do realize that 4 months of preparations does sound like an "overkill" but it lead to August being one of the most wonderful months in my entire life. Things went so perfectly smooth that I felt like I'm in heaven by having a new girl each day.

September:

In September things turned negatively almost 180 degree. The reason for this is that I "run out of the girls that I already knew / prepared" . I met all of them in August. So I had 2 options to continue getting pussy:

1- option number 1 is to hunt girls in parks / malls. And this did not go so well because Filipinos are social people. So its unlikely to see a girl taking a walk alone in a park / mall. Mostly she will be with a group of friends. And I don't know about you guys but let me be honest by saying that I don't have enough balls to invade a group just to approach a girl. So this option mostly went well for me with sales lady only which basically mean: go to a mall, find a cute sales lady, chat with her, get her number, arrange a meeting with her.

2- option number 2 is to use the dating websites. And even though this became my main way of getting pussy till the end of the trip but it was tiring actually because the girls did not knew me (they were not so comfortable) so it did not go as smooth as the August girls (which are the girls whom I already prepared contact with for months) . Filipinas are always late / the chance of them cancelling the meeting was not so low and this will eventually fuck my day since its not easy to get a date with new girl immediately / the conservative, shy girls were pain in the ass.

I was still able to get lots of girls to my bed in September but it was very tiring month that I even though to stop the trip and return to my country.

October:

In the last day of September I met a very unique girl, she is tall, very sexy, always horny, she likes to cum at least twice a day, when we walk in the street people always stare at her because she is one of the sexiest Filipinas I ever seen.

Basically I spent the whole October with her. Spending a whole month with 1 girl was not originally in my plans but I was convinced with my decision because I did not want October to be tiring / stressful just like September.

November and December:

By the beginning of November I decided to stop being with this girl regardless of how sexy she is but things started to feel repeated kinda like a boyfriend / girlfriend and that is not my purpose of being in Philippines. So I'm back again to the dating game. But this time I decided to also return to my old hobby of P4 P. The P4 P scene in Davao is not impressive but still fun. The bar-fine at the clubs is too expensive and the street prostitutes rating is mostly between 4 and 7 . So its obviously not a city to visit just for the P4 P scene. However I want to share the following information about P4 P scene:

The best place regarding clubs is hot legs. Hot legs prices are (115 pesos entry+1 beer. 65 pesos for each new beer. 300 pesos for lady drinks. 1500 pesos for VIP room. 2500 pesos for barfine) . Those are hot legs branches:

* hot legs san pedro, its located next to hotel my hotel and its the biggest, best hot legs branch. Even the girls there are better than other hot legs branches.

* hot legs palma hills. Located infront of royal mindaya hotel. The second best hot legs.

* hot legs anda street (in downtown), its tiny with few girls. Not worth a visit.

* hot legs Buhangain (near Buhangain public market) , also tiny, few girls and not worth a visit.

Notes: there was a nice hot legs in Claveria but they closed it recently. There is also a hot legs in panabo but that is outside of davao.

Regarding clubs there are also 2 good clubs that are not hot legs. One of them is newly opened and its located exactly infront of hotel my hotel. And the other one is in palma hill located exactly infront of hot legs palma hill. Both of those clubs have similar rules / system / prices to hot legs.

The best place for street prostitutes is the central bank chicks (near g mall) . I usually pay 500 Pesos for short term. There are also lots of girls in / around san pedro street at night but the ones in central bank are much better looking. My personal favourite way of enjoying Davao P4 P scene is to go to hot legs / watch the ladies dancing / chat, play with some of them / get drunk / go to central bank and choose a girl there / fuck Short term then sleep.

January:

By January I already had enough from all those adventures, beautiful memories and delicious pussies so I spent my last month in Davao living with a sweet, decent, caring girl.

It was defiantly an unforgeable experience in a positive way. I want to say thank you for all of you guys for helping me in your reports and especially to those who offered me direct help when I needed it when I was preparing for the trip. Happy mongering everybody!

KongKing

02-01-15, 12:10

You spent six months in Davao? That's it? Okay, I'll read again.There are a few guys, and do I say some experienced but repeat offenders, on this forum who lazily press "Reply with Quote" and regurgitate a lengthy posting in full, which is just a simple scroll-down, without so much as any editing or snipping. And often the comment is some trivial one-liner which adds little value to the original well constructed and worthy posting.

Hi everybody. I just returned to my country after spending 6 months in Davao,.... SNIP GoldenTiger. A great posting that covers the gamut of careful and lengthy chat-site preparations (leading to success through August), then the frustration of local Davao hunting (September), then the joy of a special sexy liaison (October and again in January) then the P4 P scene (November -December). It sums up the experience, the thrills and frustrations, very well.

Pip Jaeger

02-01-15, 22:59

There are a few guys, and do I say some experienced but repeat offenders, on this forum who lazily press "Reply with Quote" and regurgitate a lengthy posting in fullThe consumption of copious amounts of intoxicating beverages could also be a contributing factor in this particular case, LOL.

At GT = great and concise report, thanks!

X Man

02-03-15, 14:54

Thank you Pip and Kong for the feedback. My post to GT was rather short and curt. My apology to GT. As Pip wisely guessed, it was after a long day and a few drinks. I didn't mean to be rude.

Usually I do snip when I reply, but in this case I wanted to remind myself to read it again. For example, GT wrote, "One of them (a new club) is newly opened and its located exactly in front of hotel my hotel". At that point I wondered what hotel he was referring to. I didn't see the club name, nor the hotel name. Reading the post today it makes more sense. There is a hotel named My Hotel on San Pedro Blvd.

I'm sure GT has a few more stories to tell. Hopefully, he'll find the time to share some more. X.

The consumption of copious amounts of intoxicating beverages could also be a contributing factor in this particular case, LOL.

At GT = great and concise report, thanks!

Chris Long

02-07-15, 06:45

Rubio Tonto

02-08-15, 03:29

Where's the Beef.

Looking for detailed mongering information on Davao, thinking of visiting for the first time. Have read back until Dec. 2013 and accept for a couple post there is not a great deal of good mongering information. Where to stay where the action is what prices to pay.

Looking for info on Davao Mongering.

ChrisIt's because Davao isn't known for bars / brothels, but instead for picking up girls in malls, on the street, in stores, etc. I was there once (10 yrs ago) and it was like fishing with dynamite.

X Man

02-09-15, 12:25

GoodEnough used to post a lot in the Davao thread and the resulting conversations inspired me to visit the place. It was years ago, but I had a great time. As GT and Rubio suggest, the online sites might be the place to meet some potential dates in advance. I'd go again, but my holidays are a bit shorter than they used to be.

On my second trip, flying in from Cebu, I had a nice conversation with the stunner in the seat across the aisle. She spoke great English and it turns out she worked reception at M Polo. Much to my surprise she actually came around and chatted a bit as we waited for our luggage in the airport. I already had a date lined up, so this was the big fish that got away. LOL.

Cebu is growing very fast, and I've heard Davao is as well. I haven't been there in years. Here are a few bird pictures, both taken at the Eagle Park. One is my tour guide who is apparently unavailable these days. Hope some folks who've been to Davao lately can add some new info, or even update us on what has already been posted. X

Sam 14

02-09-15, 15:56

Chris. I mentioned this in Slayer'S forum. For high end point n dick there's a place called Blue Opera KTV. It's just past Damosa, on the left. It's large building, real nice inside. There's a bunch of private rooms and one big room in front with a stage, a bar and some sofas. That room was empty. But I sat there and had a drink (p80) and the mamasan brought in the girls, turned on the lights and lined them up on stage. 25 plus rather sexy pretty young women. All of them dressed in short tight skirts and high heels. Looked allot better than what I saw at Hot Legs last time.

It's a different type of deal though. You can start in the lounge or in a VIP room. You choose the one (or more) you like. I didn't partake so I'm not exactly sure how it works. But a ladies drink is p300 and that supposedly gets you an hour with her? You can sit in that bar, talk, grope, whatever. Mama San wasn't clear on what happens when she sucks it down in 3 minutes, but this is where you'd trade numbers if you're into that kind of thing.

The other way is get the VIP room. That 2,000, includes the ladies drinks and the 2 k is consumable for your drinks. You negotiate with her for whatever else happens. The same 2 k applies if you skip the VIP room and just take her out.

There's another one but not as big, it's called ET KTV. It's beside Yellow Fin, going to Ecoland.

Member #4491

02-10-15, 02:01

Rubio, the charm of white skin in a mall has faded dramatically during your decade of absence.

Chris you can stay anywhere, since it does not matter. Just pick a place on any booking site and change if you do not like it. A taxi costs nothing and there is no direct area that will be your fall back solution for a number of nights. The bars are cheap, dirty but charm if you can live with the rest. The girls are not what I want, but close enough for some visitors I have noticed. Why you would go to Davao for this, beats me. Go to the Hot Legs mentioned 8000 times here, and then the KTVs mentioned 4000 times here and you have petty much seen the idea of what you will find. From there it is down hill. I am not saying it is not good, it does just not get any fancier than this in DVO. All over the city you will find clubs and bars and a gem hiding here and there. Some of them more or less requires a newbie to go with someone local to find the place, and others are impossible to miss. Just ride a cab and say stop at the neon lights. People will not harm you in Davao normally so you can go in and look and move on once your eyes get accustomed to the inevitable lack of light you most often discover.

The city is growing but the night life is (has been) shrinking. The traffic and P4P has something in common. Both are even more pathetic than five or three years ago, but a visitor will always find ways forward and fun in some form. Personally I find Tionko and the other SW coordinates mentioned her 2000 times to be less compelling nowadays. Moral codes are enforced harder in Davao than some years ago, at least the leaders likes to pretend this. Roddy wants to go to heaven maybe. But it is all relative to what you expect, right?

We have brave guys like Sam14 and others who live in Davao all the time, and more or less always are open to meet someone, and they will naturally always have a pool of talent waiting. The same goes for us that relapsed for years or even decades in some cases. It comes down to money or time, but first you need to invest that initial time.

The "clubs" are fun at weekends mostly. The strip joints are fun if you bring friends. The number of poor girls are naturally not significantly less now than 2005, but you should try to find them before you go there or just spend a lot of time in places where you would normally not want to spend a lot of time. Or know someone very well that spends a lot of time in those places. As I repeated a few times, IMHO it would be a mistake to visit Davao for the bar girls, P4P scene or nightlife. This is the truth. No other variant of the truth you might find on ISG is more valid than this from some sort of objective statistically validated truth. Not if you compare to any other monger option that deserves to be in such a comparison. Very few are unhappy when they leave Davao, and even fewer will nominate this city to the world monger city league.

Go there to see someone you connected with and want a beach week with, or to just meet friendly people in a sometimes lovely but also over crowded city (well it is actually just the complete lack of traffic law enforcement in combination with toothpick roads that is the real problem). Honesty among cab drivers is of great importance to people living in Davao and this says something. I consider cab driver ethics to be something of an indicator of a tipping point of moral bankruptcy. Street harassment is another more obvious one, but the taxi is often your first point of interaction when leaving the cradle of international airborne location warps. If the cab driver fucks with you from first minute, you better watch out during the rest of your stay. If he tells you proudly that he has been riding for 30 years and always respected the strict and honest policy implemented by the regional Government, you can normally sink in to the leather and just chill to the music.

I love Davao, but I would never recommend anyone to go there without a bunch of disclaimers. P4P and night life is on the top of the P4P disclaimer list. Chris, this post probably did not do anything for you but Rubio said it. Most visitors meet women in Davao like you would meet them at home. The few exceptions have been well documented here for some years. Nothing changed (for the better).

Thank you for reading.

Barba (on my way, probably).

X Man

02-10-15, 03:57

Thanks for the report. Was this fairly recent? I seem to remember a negative report about Blue Opera a while back. I don't know what "Yellow Fin" is. I'll go take a look at the DS thread, maybe you've answered the questions already.

Chris. I mentioned this in Slayer'S forum. For high end point n dick there's a place called Blue Opera KTV. It's just past Damosa, on the left.

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The other way is get the VIP room. That 2,000, includes the ladies drinks and the 2 k is consumable for your drinks. You negotiate with her for whatever else happens. The same 2 k applies if you skip the VIP room and just take her out.

There's another one but not as big, it's called ET KTV. It's beside Yellow Fin, going to Ecoland.

Member #4491

02-10-15, 08:15

Thanks for the report. Was this fairly recent? I seem to remember a negative report about Blue Opera a while back. I don't know what "Yellow Fin" is. I'll go take a look at the DS thread, maybe you've answered the questions already.I wrote a negative report on Blue Opera once.

I have been at both Blue Opera and ET a few times over the years and they are not very exciting. Yellow Fin next to ET is a sea food restaurant you find on your right side, if you pass over Bankerohan on Quezon / Quimpo, going towards Eocland / Matina. Had some good meals there and a couple bad ones the last two times so they are off my food list.

There is also Aquarium in the Nova Tiera entrance. Had both good and bad nights there, but it all happened years ago. These two Illongo "sisters" I met back in 2007 in Aquarium. They look blood thirsty, right? I was green to the KTV scene, but we still enjoyed Samal the next day. The "cousin" in the middle was nice and positive. Honey had the biggest tits so she and her jugs got my attention. Just close by we had a really good bar up until some years ago. I miss the days at Kaoris. It was not really a pickup place but more a place to meet friends for a bucket of beer and some simple food. Cass big hat and smile would almost always meet and greet you welcome, and often there was a string of very good live music. If anyone remember TinTin (T2) you know something else that also was big at Kaoris. Oh lord I was fortunate enough to get to juggle those one night before she went away to become a musical star (Kaoris may have looked like a P4P establishment, but it was not.

Anyway, when it comes to KTV with hot girls you can "sing with", I had good fun in one behind Victoria some years ago, but do not remember the name of that one. A lot of Koreans and me plus my NZ mate. And a very cute slim girl that I forgot the name of.

B

X Man

02-10-15, 14:23

Thanks for the update Barba. Do you still live in the area? The last time I was in Davao I ate at Henny's place (forgot the name) and then enjoyed some music at Chicos. That was just before Claude's restaurant moved into the mansion. I'd love to eat inside that house someday. http://claudescafedavao.com/.
X.

Sam 14

02-10-15, 18:59

The number of poor girls are naturally not significantly less now than 2005, but you should try to find them before you go there or just spend a lot of time in places where you would normally not want to spend a lot of time. Like by an open canal in a squatter village? This picture was taken the first time we ever met in public after dating in private for a long time. She used the towel to cover her head. No matter how poor, allot of them are just too freaked out to be seen with a foreigner. It's not going to help their image when word gets out around their barangay and to their parents. If it's late 20's and up with a kid or 3 that you like, you're going to have it allot easier. But I don't find that unique to Davao. I don't have allot of experience on other islands, but it's pretty much like that all over Mindanao. I just spent some time up in the Koronadal, T'boli area, and Kidapawan and it's pretty much the same.

Pantot

02-10-15, 19:39

Like by an open canal in a squatter village? This picture was taken the first time we ever met in public after dating in private for a long time. She used the towel to cover her head. No matter how poor, allot of them are just too freaked out to be seen with a foreigner. It's not going to help their image when word gets out around their barangay and to their parents. If it's late 20's and up with a kid or 3 that you like, you're going to have it allot easier. But I don't find that unique to Davao. I don't have allot of experience on other islands, but its pretty much like that all over Mindanao. I just spent some time up in the Koronadal, T'boli area, and Kidapawan and it's pretty much the same.That's an interesting perspective, I have never had that experience. Was she Muslim by chance? That would be a taboo I guess. I only chatted 2 and never met them.

Virtually all girls I met, all Christian or Catholic, were very eager for me to go to their barangay and meet their family. It was sort of the ultimate show of respect to meet the girls family for them, whether they were manila metro or far flung provinces in Samar, Leyte, Negros and Iligan and CDO and Davao in Mindanao. It was interesting for the first five years or so seeing all these remote places and how they live. I'm talking about girls 18 to 23 no kids or so and me in my late forties.

I stopped the practice in recent years as the novelty wore off and I began to realize the inherent risk in losing control of my environment and the fact that no sex will occur there due to the total lack of privacy. Plus it was a sort of implied level of a more permanent nature to the relationship, that I realized it was better to avoid. Its better to take the girl to a resort in her province far enough from where she lives that you have total anonymity and so does she. She can be much more free in that environment.

Member #4491

02-11-15, 00:51

X-Man,

I actually never lived there permanently. Relatives, business, friends, poonani, beaches and so on takes me there a few times per year normally.

I had a dinner in the Mansion some years ago and it was a good meal. Over priced wine, but a good experience.

Bon Apetit is my favorite place in Davao.

B

Member #4566

02-11-15, 05:51

Virtually all girls I met, all Christian or Catholic, were very eager for me to go to their barangay and meet their family. It was sort of the ultimate show of respect to meet the girls family for them, whether they were manila metro or far flung provinces in Samar, Leyte, Negros and Iligan and CDO and Davao in Mindanao. It was interesting for the first five years or so seeing all these remote places and how they live. I do not like to meet the family because I usually get hit up for money or for lunch or something.

X Man

02-12-15, 09:37

My experiences have run the gamut from a lavish feast prepared for me / us, all the way down to an unexpected detour for the purpose of ordering six pizzas and two chickens to feed the family and neighborhood. Surprise for the X-Man! This is the DV thread, so I should say that these are my experiences overall. The best one, the feast, occurred in SF, La Union. The unexpected humanitarian mission was Danao, Cebu.

Meeting family of a gal in Davao? This is a summary of my experiences:

1) met two of the sisters of the GF of one esteemed ISG member. Shagged neither, but they were both interesting and fun.

2) Miss TS, ToyStory. I met her at the mall at a tiny toy kiosk. She took me to Samal island where papa was the caretaker of a ramshackle resort that catered to Filipino groups. She now has two kids from a subsequent Filipino BF.

3) Miss "R". Was adorable. I've never met anyone with such long eyelashes. Incredible. I met her online while in Cebu and said I would be in Davao the next day. And then in Davao, I spent all day meeting various members at different locations. Met granny which provided some interesting photos. Uncle is / was a boxer, okay, maybe I should go now. . . One member was a manager for the local Internet provider, which came in handy later. Net speed isn't bad when you are in the same room as the servers! Back to the family meeting, when I finally extracted myself by saying I had to pick up my laundry, the lass joined me and as soon as we got into the hotel room, the fun began. She married some foreigner a few years after that.

4) Miss L, I only met her sisters and a niece, but she was the one I truly fell in love with. A beautifully preserved 29 yr old MILF (at that time), she was funny and playful and seemed to enjoy life at every moment, including the sex. Bless her heart. She took me to a noisy disco and I met her sis. Sis had been in Japan, spoke Japanese, and had a J. BF who seemed to be completely passed out. She bought drinks all night. I had to fight just to pay for a round. Also went to Samal with Miss L and different sis.

In retrospect, I don't regret any of these experiences.

I do not like to meet the family because I usually get hit up for money or for lunch or something.

Member #4491

02-13-15, 04:46

I do not like to meet the family because I usually get hit up for money or for lunch or something.She could have sisters.

B

Dg8787

02-13-15, 07:40

She could have sisters.

BSisters are the way to go. Especially if they are on different mens cycle, you are never without. I have had 3 sets of sisters but never as threesomes. I love it laying in bed with one on each side of me. The non-participating one would either go to the CR or lay there pretending sleep. Even better when they bring cousins over too.

Wicked Roger

02-13-15, 08:40

Sisters are the way to go. Especially if they are on different mens cycle, you are never without. I have had 3 sets of sisters but never as threesomes. I love it laying in bed with one on each side of me. The non-participating one would either go to the CR or lay there pretending sleep. Even better when they bring cousins over too.Good observation Dg, but bisexual sisters are the best. Trust me then it is lots of fun, especially when a cousin comes over also and makes it a foursome.

My sisters don't go anywhere except eat each other.

Steve88

02-13-15, 17:08

Hello everyone, I'm going to CDO and Davao next month and was wondering.

Do these city's have an equivalent to a Sogo hotel I. E a hotel which you can rent a room by the hour.

As personally I prefer to keep my hobby private and also not worry about losing anything of value should one of those crafty girls get the better of me.

Steve.

GoodEnough

04-10-15, 00:24

Despite having lived here for years, and experiencing every day the massive incompetence characteristic of the national government, every now and then I'm treated to demonstrations of such staggering ineptitude that I find I'm still capable of being shocked. About two weeks ago for example, all of Mindanao, home to approximately 25 million people, lost electricity. Turns out that the largest generating plant--an antique by any standards--hadn't bothered to maintain some of its antediluvian switches, and the entire region thus lost electricity for about five hours. It wasn't fully restored for another day or so. The government promised an investigation however, so I guess everyone should be reassured, or would be if this were not the second such island-wide blackout to occur in a year.

To add insult to injury, all of Davao is now without water for 24-36 hours due to the need for "emergency" repairs to what is obviously one of the major water conduits. Obviously, the conduct of regular and preventative maintenance would have obviated such drastic action, but that would require forethought and critical thinking; not part of the genetic structure of those who work for the government.

As others have pointed out, Filipinos in general, accept the massive inconveniences imposed on them, through government incompetence and general indifference as normal, and I guess they're correct as it is normal here. No use developing perpetual anger at behavior that cannot, and never will be changed. Still, for someone from a more developed country, the level of incompetence remains a bit overwhelming.

GE.

Member #4491

04-10-15, 01:47

GoodEnough

04-11-15, 00:42

Absurd. And now I know why I could not get hold of a bunch of people that I was looking for.

GE your a handy man. I trust that you will have it all fixed by June 3. Unless you migrated to Manila by then, and left me and the other Davao putzes to suffer on our own.

All the best, Barba.

P.S.

Is "putzes" really the plural form of putz?

DSCould be putzim perhaps, but putzes works for me. No worries about my migrating to Makati any time soon. The perpetual traffic jam and the steadily deteriorating infrastructure would drive me crazier than I already am. So I'll continue to commute 3-4 times a month.

I had a long chat-based conversation with our mutual French friend yesterday, and we concluded that for long-term expats here, the only way to stay sane is to get out at least once every six months for a couple of days. I'm going to begin that regimen in May. I'll likely go to Bangkok as I haven't been for a while.

GE.

FreebieFan

04-11-15, 04:22

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I had a long chat-based conversation with our mutual French friend yesterday, and we concluded that for long-term expats here, the only way to stay sane is to get out at least once every six months for a couple of days. I'm going to begin that regimen in May. I'll likely go to Bangkok as I haven't been for a while.

GE.Sage advice that's not only applicable to Davao. I'm my 30 plus years in Asia I have found that getting our from wherever you are, is of great importance to ensure sanity of mind, and balance of outlook. And then refreshed, you can face up to your daily doses of irritation.

GoodEnough

04-11-15, 07:06

Sage advice that's not only applicable to Davao. I'm my 30 plus years in Asia I have found that getting our from wherever you are, is of great importance to ensure sanity of mind, and balance of outlook. And then refreshed, you can face up to your daily doses of irritation.Right you are Freebie. I didn't mean my comments to be restricted to Davao, but to the entire country. Funny that I never felt this way didn't the years I spent in France. .

Soapy Smith

04-14-15, 04:55

I had a long chat-based conversation with our mutual French friend yesterday, and we concluded that for long-term expats here, the only way to stay sane is to get out at least once every six months for a couple of days. I'm going to begin that regimen in May. I'll likely go to Bangkok as I haven't been for a while.

GE.Ironically, for many of us trapped in the Western rat-race, occasional trips to the Philippines appear to give us, aside from doting women, escape to a simpler, more laid-back lifestyle. Is it possible our respective itches arise from something other than the desire of expats to escape the frustrating complacency of life in the Philippines and of us high-strung Westerners to spring the rat trap of Western hustle?

Obviously many educated Filipinos want to flee the Philippines as well, but most Filipinos who have never known anything else seem content to swelter under the Philippine sun. Maybe the itchy feet of us Westerners derive from an unfulfilled sense of rising expectations: we grow up on some myth about the sky being the limit, and never quite come to terms with the underlying fiction of it all. Never having caught the fantasy of limitless horizons, everyday Filipinos find it easier to come to terms with the limits of their existence. Just a thought.

GoodEnough

04-14-15, 10:10

"Never having caught the fantasy of limitless horizons, everyday Filipinos find it easier to come to terms with the limits of their existence. Just a thought. ".

It's an interesting hypothesis Skip, where the "fantasy" is perhaps limited to landing a job in a call center. Indeed it's true that the whole "American Dream" hasn't been transmuted to any indigenous equivalent: unsurprising I suppose in a country in which many just struggle to survive day by day. In light of all this, I think your general premise is valid; Filipinos have, for the most part, a more truncated dream. On the other hand, though the level of satisfaction of the average Filipino may be lower than that of the average American or Westerner, it may be equally out of reach given the lack of opportunity, the relentless population growth, and an economy in which the good jobs are closed to all but the very fortunate few and even those jobs are just as likely to be secured through connections as they are on merit. My guess is that many, if not most Filipinos, to the extent that they engage in the luxury of analysis and reflection, simply become resigned.

GE.

Member #4491

04-14-15, 11:59

Skip,

I love how you put it. But maybe there is also a more fundamental drive in power, than just having adopted (being force fed) an idea of endless stimulation? GE touches it in his post. I do not want to come across as pretentious, but isn't development the only true divine force? God in it's purest and perhaps only manifestation in humans. We have gravity, infinite space, quantum physics and all the rest we do not understand fully that can be labeled divine or too complex for us to grasp, but doesn't the force to develop govern all other behaviors in us animals? Even reproduction is a mean to secure the development for the future (if it was the main purpose, we would / could just kill ourselves once we loose fertility).

We must develop or we stagnate. We develop in whatever way we believe we can at the moment. Stagnation is equivalent to death. So we do whatever we can, wherever we are. I am not talking about the banality of predictable variation, but the inescapable, unforgiving and and beautiful force of evolution that you can discover in all humans, if you look close enough. If we have the resources to travel somewhere and see something new, we will do this. In the name of evolution. If we do not have that possibility, we find another area to channel all that will and force of development into. Maybe it can be creating an intricate web of simplistic explanations to religious paradoxes. Or indulging in reductionist cynicism to self-motivate immoral decisions. Or perhaps creating means to secure the next fix of Shabu or Red Horse. Or just drilling the brain of the next identified female conquest. The direction can be 180 degrees wrong in someone else's enlightened perspective, but sure enough we will develop until the day we choose it is time to stagnate.

Isn't the human mind an ingenious piece of work? Barely perceiving it, we automatically calculate parameters of resource availability, future resource obligations, need for stability and variation, needs for love and recognition, development alternatives, etc. And out comes "the random and spontaneous idea" to book a ticket to Davao or Bangkok. Because we know we will see something new. We will develop a little bit more. And even if we did not know, we would not have a choice since Development is God and we are God's children. Right?

"We must believe in free will — we have no choice."

Isaac Bashevis Singer.

"God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension."

Freeman Dyson.

B

Soapy Smith

04-15-15, 06:06

isn't development the only true divine force? God in it's purest and perhaps only manifestation in humans. We have gravity, infinite space, quantum physics and all the rest we do not understand fully that can be labeled divine or too complex for us to grasp, but doesn't the force to develop govern all other behaviors in us animals?

Isn't the human mind an ingenious piece of work? Barely perceiving it, we automatically calculate parameters of resource availability, future resource obligations, need for stability and variation, needs for love and recognition, development alternatives, etc. And out comes "the random and spontaneous idea" to book a ticket to Davao or Bangkok. Because we know we will see something new. We will develop a little bit more. And even if we did not know, we would not have a choice since Development is God and we are God's children. Right?

"We must believe in free will we have no choice."

Isaac Bashevis Singer.

"God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension."

Freeman Dyson.

BThanks for your thoughts, B, and for keeping this philosophical dialogue alive.

I assume you are not writing in your first language, but I don't know exactly what you mean by development. If you mean that humans are directed inherently toward some sort of "progress" to improve the plight of humanity, then I don't think I agree. "Progress" is itself a social construction; it is grounded in an unproven assumption that the world and the plight of humanity are ultimately perfectible. Evidence for these assumptions is not at all clear. There are noteworthy results in some parts of the world on some of the Millennium Development Goals, but other parts of the world and some of the goals show dismal results. In addition, recent years have seen a noticeable retreat around the world from the growth of democracy, governmental transparency, and the like.

Even my country, whose leader sells himself as preferring negotiation to military intervention, continues to launch drones at nameless (to us) militants in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, and perhaps even Mindanao. Information about these programs, as well as massive wire-tapping programs, is concealed from average Americans. One could argue that these are necessary evils in an increasingly hostile world, but it is difficult to argue that they are contributing to public confidence in democracy and governmental transparency.

Or perhaps by development you are talking about an individual penchant for creativity and imagination. I like this idea, and I think of myself in this light. But I am not convinced that most of humanity steps to this drumbeat. ISG people are undoubtedly a bunch of rascals, but they are an adventurous lot as well, and we see numerous posts about guys wanting to settle into laid-back regions of the archipelago. But that doesn't mean that most give much thought to what we are discussing here. So far you, FF, GE, and I have chipped into this conversation, thankfully. But within a few posts one of the regulars will tersely request that we end this discussion and stop distracting others from the real purpose of the forum.

I agree that the human mind is an ingenious piece of work, and I like the notion of free will--but within limits. I do believe humans have great potential for experimentation and creativity, but I also believe all human action is bounded by a number of constraints: the limits of our cognitive capacities, social and cultural obligations to those around us, lack of access to the kinds of resources that are required to make many things happen, our glandular inclinations (think libido), and vast uncertainties and ambiguities in the world around us.

Sadly, the connection between individual creativity and divine guidance doesn't work for me. My mother tried hard during my formative years to make a Christian of me, but she failed. If something is too complex for me to grasp, I don't default to divine explanations. I am a cynical agnostic who is reluctant to acknowledge things I haven't personally observed or experienced.

But I do enjoy this dialogue. Please share some more.

Skip.

Member #4491

04-15-15, 14:29

OK, I admit, by the first glance it is getting very theoretical and far from chasing pussy, but it is actually not. Smiley. I will check out from this topic soon, but bare with me (or skip).

In my view the force of development / evolution has no agenda except to visit every possible outcome of the fractal we call existence, and all other existences as well (see multiverse, Tegmark, Hawkins, Weinberg, Greene, etc). The full sample space must be visited, for some reason. In an infinite amount of time and space, everything has happened, is happening and will happen (the very antonym of stationary).

(That is both mind boggling and comforting in a way. We might have this exact discussion again in a quadrillion years from now, after twelve big bangs).

And us, the little work bees in the fractal, just drill deeper in whatever direction we are looking. It is like the beat of the heart. We just do it, automatically. Until we decide it is time to go up on the mountain and die (Little Big Man). Show me one single human that is alive and is not developing something, somehow. Many times we are clueless as of to why the hell people entrench themselves in what they dot, it seems like such a waste of perfectly good energy, but they do. True development of some kind always results in a feeling of accomplishment in humans. Even if it is such a mundane thing as kicking a ball into a framed structure of nets, we get a sense of accomplishment, when we do it better than yesterday. So we keep licking that nectar of perceived accomplishments.

And that is perhaps exactly the very reason who you did not buy into Christianity. Your mind was compelled to develop far beyond these simplistic and for the most part pathetic attempts to comfort humans. My young children are asking me questions about religion and the rest of the world, that serves to no other purpose than to test and try to poke holes in the smoke screen of the world. No one taught them this ability / agenda. It is just there. Even if you perhaps sometimes wished as a child you could have confirmed and pleased your mother, and click into the drugged world of religion, you could not stop your brain from going beyond and develop a far more colorful set of explanations and questions to the mystery of existence. Who needs a bible when there is a forest to be amazed over? The bible was yesterdays local maximum (in a polynomial sense). We live today.

I think many of us here keep fucking around, partly, and absolutely not fully, because it is such an exiting journey to develop the interpersonal skills required to succeed well in this happy hobby. We become better at closing the deal, and it serves as enlightenment not only in the poonani hunt. We utilize these acquired skills in many interpersonal situations. But I guess this development is as good as any. And since every theoretical node of the sample set in time-space "must" (will) be visited, I can just as well aim at visiting every teen muff of Davao. And there I tied it all together, you critical old-timers. Blink.

The force of evolution logically requires an absolute relativity of values (on a collective / non individual level), so I totally agree that the idea of social progress "in the name of humanity" is a bunch of loosely constructed agendas, and not in any way an inherited or genetic ambition.

Time to multiply.

Cheers from Barba!

Soapy Smith

04-15-15, 15:24

(That is both mind boggling and comforting in a way. We might have this exact discussion again in a quadrillion years from now, after twelve big bangs).Or after a half dozen SMPs. I will PM you if I find myself headed to Davao, and we can actually try this out.

I believe your kids ask you questions because you try to answer. Unfortunately, many parents, especially when pressed by questions that outpace their imaginations, just tell their kids to shut up. I have just ordered a fascinating book by Brian Grazer, titled **A Curious Mind: The Secret to a Bigger Life* Grazer is Ron Howard's business partner and produced movies like Apollo 13, A Beautiful Mind, and Frost / Nixon. He credits his own curiosity to encouragement from his 4 foot 10 inch Jewish grandmother. Bottom line, I think what you describe here is an individual experience that most humans do not encounter. I try not to let that cynical conclusion take my own imagination hostage, but I think you are more optimistic than I am.

Maybe I can still multiply my imagination and cynicism (an apparent paradox, I admit, although I attempt to embrace the paradox), but I surrendered my option to multiply biologically nearly 35 years ago.

GoodEnough

04-15-15, 23:23

Skip,

When I wrote that post about the desire to escape, I was motivated less by existential epistemology and more by a desire to return, albeit briefly, to a place where things work: things like electricity, water supply, traffic signals and the like. So I was speaking less from angst than from a selfish desire for predictability (imputed and meaningless as it may be) and physical comfort.

As I read the dialogue between you and Barba, expressing beliefs quite similar to those I hold, I was struck by the thought of how difficult it would be to have that discussion with a Filipino given that monotheism in one form or another is the fundament on which the entire culture (or series of cultures) is predicated. Questioning the notion of ultimate purpose or the divine "Not I" would not, I think, go down well here. In a country with such pervasive poverty, individual powerlessness and limited economic opportunity the need to believe that suffering serves a purpose, that there exists an external, ultimately benign force, is compelling, and may be what sustains millions of people here. In a sense, all of us, educated or not, with resources or without, impute meaning, force some meaning if you will onto and into the lives we lead. We derive, or delude ourselves into deriving meaning from our children, from our relationships, from our "accomplishments," from our athleticism or whatever, but in one way or another we all I think, seek to impose and / or wring meaning from the chaos.

Melville said that, in the end, there's no purpose to the universe; that all is chaos, randomness and chance, but mankind is incapable of confronting the truth that there's nothing out there since it would drive most people mad. It's therefore, in Melville's view, the job of fiction to reflect the truth to humans cloaked in the veneer of fiction. I've always appreciated that insight.

GE.

FreebieFan

04-16-15, 02:00

Skip,

by existential epistemology
GE.Its always enjoyable to read the voluminous vocabulary that you, Skip and Barba introduce in our ISG world.

Notwithstanding the variety of thoughts about " why are we here and how do we move from here".

Please excuse me whilst I go and look up existential epistemology as I have less than no idea what it might actually mean. .

GoodEnough

04-16-15, 03:04

Its always enjoyable to read the voluminous vocabulary that you, Skip and Barba introduce in our ISG world.

Notwithstanding the variety of thoughts about " why are we here and how do we move from here".

Please excuse me whilst I go and look up existential epistemology as I have less than no idea what it might actually mean. .Today I was roughly introduced to a glaring manifestation of the "why are we here / progress is illusory" discussion. JP Laurel, also known toward the enter of town as Bajada is one of Davao's major streets. Running roughly north-south, it's a 4-6 lame divided highway and from its size, I assume it's a national road, putatively then the responsibility of National DPWH. Today, as I drove northward, trying to take my car for an oil change, I noticed that DPWH road crews had dug what I can only describe as two mini caverns at the side of the road. In keeping with (the total lack of) national safety standards, there were no protective barriers adjacent to the caverns, church were separated from traffic by a skimpy plastic ribbon. For those driving at night, given the lack of signage or for anyone having to swerve to avoid hitting a random pedestrian, the risk of tipping one's car into the pit is substantial. I guess the complete indifference to public safety is a tacit expression of the absolute faith of Fulipinos that this life is but a transitory journey to a better, eternal one.

GE.

Soapy Smith

04-16-15, 10:04

Please excuse me whilst I go and look up existential epistemology as I have less than no idea what it might actually mean. .Maybe this will help, FF.

http://www.oxfordscholarship.com/view/10.1093/019823922X.001.0001/acprof-9780198239222

Joke: laugh here.

Soapy Smith

04-17-15, 07:40

I guess the complete indifference to public safety is a tacit expression of the absolute faith of Fulipinos that this life is but a transitory journey to a better, eternal one. GE.I understand social causation as following from actions or interactions on the part of people. It would be easy to blame some set of abstractions--poverty, family oligarchies, lack of education, and so on--as causing this complacency and disregard for human safety. And some are probably contributing factors, but what is the underlying narrative of human actions that led to safety-oriented public services work in industrialized countries and a competing narrative of ignorance or complacency in the Philippines? Obviously it's a complicated story in the industrialized country, but what sort of narrative of actions on the part of displeased Filipinos would have been necessary to get construction safety closer to its industrialized counterparts?

Red Kilt

04-17-15, 13:54

. . . SNIP> . . but what is the underlying narrative of human actions that led to safety-oriented public services work in industrialized countries and a competing narrative of ignorance or complacency in the Philippines? Obviously it's a complicated story in the industrialized country, but what sort of narrative of actions on the part of displeased Filipinos would have been necessary to get construction safety closer to its industrialized counterparts?"Narrative of human actions" followed by "narrative of actions" in 2 sequential sentences.

WTF?

This is academic wanking of the highest degree SK.

I know you get your jollies from engaging in meaningless "philosophical" posts on ISG and I am sure some others enjoy playing your game (with the Thesaurus open beside them), but this is so far removed from the mongering scene in Davao that it beggars belief.

I was an academic in a previous life, and I am so thankful I was able to escape into the real world.

Wicked Roger

04-17-15, 15:15

"Narrative of human actions" followed by "narrative of actions" in 2 sequential sentences.

WTF?

This is academic wanking of the highest degree SK..Or you could say "nosebleed" but I do like the "academic wanking" phrase must remember that one RK.

Member #4491

04-17-15, 20:26

LOL Skip. Yea, or after a couple of bottles of Bordeaux. Me and GE have the same conversation roughly every fourth month, after sampling the grape-juice at BA. And I find equally it rewarding every time. Looking forward to meet you one day, Skip.

FreebieFan, I use a dictionary to impress strangers here on ISG. In reality I do not know any of these words.

GE, your such a cynic. Smiley. Personally I think Melville was wrong and that there is some sort of meaning or reason to all this. We are just too dumb to see or understand it. An ant can not grasp the anthill, yet he contributes unknowingly.

I guess it is OK to just say "I do not have a fucking clue, and I do not have to have a clue" and keep doing what feels right (and we all know what that is).

"The complete indifference to public safety is a tacit expression of the absolute faith of Filipinos that this life is but a transitory journey to a better, eternal one. " LOL! But seriously, Davao is such a lovely place in so many ways, so a few extra holes on the road side does not spoil the picture. Try Costa Marina on a week day, if you do not have time for a BKK escape. It is a lovely place, and yet to be found by the hoards. Boat departures from same place as the Paradise boats.

Fuck now I too has some of me of that fucking nosebleed! Better find me that block button and block myself, GE and Skip so I can read some juicy pussy stories here in the Davao thread.

Soapy Smith

04-18-15, 16:08

"Narrative of human actions" followed by "narrative of actions" in 2 sequential sentences.

WTF?

This is academic wanking of the highest degree SK.

I know you get your jollies from engaging in meaningless "philosophical" posts on ISG and I am sure some others enjoy playing your game (with the Thesaurus open beside them), but this is so far removed from the mongering scene in Davao that it beggars belief.

I was an academic in a previous life, and I am so thankful I was able to escape into the real world.Although I find these particular comments unnecessarily harsh and personal, I have always appreciated your participation in conversations about conditions in the Philippines.

I believe that conflict can be a resource for growth. Social and economic issues rarely get addressed without conflict, and individuals, marriages, and families grow when issues of conflict are brought into the light of day and dealt with. But not all forms of conflict are equal. Some are constructive, some are not. When people debate ideas and competing points of view and varied experiences are held up against each other, good outcomes often arise. There is evidence to support the trite notion that two heads are better than one, even though the underlying debates can be contentious and time consuming. Affective conflict, on the other hand—such as attacking a person's identity or identity groups to which they belong—takes a harsher interpersonal tack, leading to greater animosity and further conflict. For that reason, when I disagree with another person, I try to make a point to frame my disagreement toward their ideas rather than their racial, ethnic, religious, ideological, sexual orientation, gender, professional or other identities. Civility is marked by attacking the ideas of those we disagree with rather than their personhood.

As I indicated to Barba several posts ago, it was just a matter of time until somebody raised questions about whether our discussion belonged in any ISG thread. But wouldn't it have been more constructive to say: "I think this is really off topic and not of much interest to most people on the forum"? It's also very easy merely to scroll to other posts or threads or to put me on ignore if you find my posts tiresome.

As to the real world, I have gotten a little dirt under my fingernails during my lifetime. I have worked as a dishwasher, cook, carpenter, sheetrocker, painter, truck driver, swimming pool construction worker, grocery clerk, meat cutter, community educator, counselor, and high school teacher. At one time I was a union worker in a Chrysler Corporation factory, and in another factory I did tool and die work in conjunction with machine setup for manufacturing various kinds of large threaded rod products (I. E. , very large bolts). I have made public service announcements and, yes, read poetry on public radio. I have done the electrical wiring and plumbing for an entire house. I have poured, screeded, and troweled concrete, done bricklaying, and laid and mortared my share of concrete blocks. I have spent time working with men in crisis because they or a loved one had been raped. I have worked with boys struggling with their sexual identities after having been sexually abused or raped. I have supervised several levels of other folks working with kids in juvenile incarceration, which gave me a lot of exposure to cops, lawyers, judges, and angry, dysfunctional parents. I served in my country's Vietnam era army as a clerk typist, a medical corpsman, and later a company grade officer. I was discharged as a first lieutenant about a month shy of my 22nd birthday, and then went to college. I still carry all of these experiences in everything I think and do, and my "real world" now involves quite a bit of time in slums and squatter communities in the Philippines. I enjoy doing it because I learn from it. I think many people in this forum have similar experience-rich backgrounds, and it is not helpful to reduce anybody to a single attribute in order to justify your judgments about them.

Forty years ago I worked alongside factory and construction workers who resisted having to wear steel-toed shoes, shatterproof glasses, and hardhats. Our supervisors continuously tried to pump us up to detest "OSHA" (Occupational Safety and Health Administration), the great boogeyman creating all the stupidity. "Government overreach and nannyism," they told us, "it just takes money out of workers' pockets. " They didn't want us thinking for ourselves, because some of us understood it was for our own good, and that it was their profits rather than our wages that really mattered to them. Barricades, flashing caution lights, and detour signage around road construction hazards are like hardhats and safety glasses: getting there involves pushing and shoving, arm-twisting, taking them to court, replacing the political cronies who protect their status quo. The people who hold the reins don't go easily. So, despite the wonky sound, worker and motorist safety will eventually rise in the Philippines from a "narrative of action. " The taken-for-granted assumption that these safety precautions ought to be in place around road construction is a narrative, and the steps in forcing the hands of those in power are the actions that lead to narrative change. If you don't like the words or placing them in quotations, please suggest a simpler way to say this. I take your point that my writing was clumsy.

I presume you have contemplated that a much more powerful narrative underlies the work of folks in this forum who do development consulting. The development narrative has an up and a down. Global North and its values are up, the Global South and its state of "underdevelopment" are down. Setting aside normative judgments about good and bad, superiority and inferiority, I note that this narrative provides a lot of power, and therefore economic benefits, to those (including me), who can claim expertise in the narrative. I will not belabor this point, except to say that the narrative also plays to the favor of mongers in their pursuit of Filipinas. By whatever name we want to call them, narratives do matter.

In deference to your concern with over-philosophizing I will spare you from any further talk of narratives.

GoodEnough

04-18-15, 16:36

Skip, I appreciate the discourse. You make a series of interesting points, but as you suggest, I'm not sure how much interest they will elicit from members here. I do want to take a paragraph or two to discuss your notion of conflict as a pre-requisite to change, and as a firm believe in Hegel's dialectics, I certainly don't disagree.

My experience here however suggests not only that meaningful conflict is largely absent, but that there's little possibility of the requisite social / intellectual friction arising any time in the foreseeable future. I'm not speaking here of intermittent armed conflict, motivated largely by greed, corruption and the struggle for political supremacy on the part of a family or clan. I mean ideological or intellectual conflict based on more abstract notions of human rights, social goods, or a sense of justice. The fact is that there's so little collective social consciousness here, so little concern on the part of the body politic, or the average citizen with the development of the country, that the possibility of true, country-wide collective action--of provoking a change in the national narrative if you will--is small ineed. I think it's recognizing the implausibility of changing the narrative that's the genius of the political class here, or perhaps it's just that meaningful social change isn't possible in an archipelago with lousy transportation, poor communications, and a large population focused on subsistence, and a national identity whose embodiment is a boxer.

This is, as has been pointed out by local and international economists, one of the most unequal societies in Asia, and until that changes; until there's a momentum for meaningful change from the disenfranchised, the possibility for meaningful change is scant.

GE.

Red Kilt

04-19-15, 04:01

Although I find these particular comments unnecessarily harsh and personal, I have always appreciated your participation in conversations about conditions in the Philippines.

<SNIP. . >

But wouldn't it have been more constructive to say: "I think this is really off topic and not of much interest to most people on the forum"? It's also very easy merely to scroll to other posts or threads or to put me on ignore if you find my posts tiresome.

I apologize SK if my comments were interpreted as "unnecessarily harsh and personal'; I can see why you might think like that even if that was not my primary intent.

I posted at the end of a work day in which I had been dealing with some very real issues related to filipino bureaucracy that were not "academic" but very real. My fuse was short.

Personally, if I was to invest so much time, thought and energy in developing, analyzing and then posting my thoughts on the paradox that is The Philippines, I would post my ideas on a forum, at a conference or in a journal where the exchange of ideas might be with actual decision-makers who might actually care or be in a position to do something.

I suggest that ISG is not that place, but you're right. I should just ignore and scroll on to other posts that interest me more rather than bothering you and others with my shallow ideas and criticisms.

Sam 14

04-19-15, 15:55

Fuck now I too has some of that fucking nosebleed! Better find me that block button and block myself, GE and Skip....<Snip>Don't block yourself man, I for one enjoy that type of posting. It does have to do with sex because for me, that's the only reason to live here. And living here it's helpful to, as Roll Aides puts it, "try to grok Philippine psychology". I was kinda surprised to see you say that RK, as long as you've been here, I thought you would find it interesting. Allot of big words though. It reminds me of the time it took four months to read Eamonn Fington's In The Jaws Of The Dragon.

<Snip>..... so I can read some juicy pussy stories here in the Davao thread.OK. Met this one shopping in a little store. She's never had any experience with a foreigner, so it took some work to get her to my place. She was freaked out in the elevator, and even more freaked out in my room when I started kissing her. Even though I wasn't pushing her, she just wasn't comfortable so I let her go. Took a few months of texting, but finally got her to come back. Next meet I got her dress pulled up over her bra and got a peek at her breasts, and my face in her lap, but fully clothed. She cancelled our next meet and wasn't available for a week of more. Finally she wanted to meet because she had some news for me. I saw it coming, she was going to be too busy from now on.

Well, she shows up wearing tight pants, even though she knows the rule she's allowed to wear a dress every time. So I laid her on the bed and said look Sweetheart, here's the deal. I don't expect sex from you, and I'm not going to push you. We can go as slow or as fast as you want. Oh ya, and I can not make a baby. She says, "Huh? But why?" I asked her if she knows what a vasectomy is, and she did. So she proceeds to tell me her two big issues. 1. She's not ready for a baby yet. (Smart girl) Issue 1 solved. 2. She says "My friend says foreigners have.... Well, you know....". I said Big penis? She said "Ya, do you?" I said you see that big Acacia stump out there? That's it. Then she said "do you drive real fast?" I said I can drive as fast or as slow as you want. She said "How long do you drive before you shoot?" I said maybe 30 seconds. Then I unbuttoned my pants and shoved her hand down. I said now squeeze it as tight as you can. "Like that?" No, harder! Now harder. You can't hurt it, squeeze it as tight as you can. Now shake it as fast as you can. Act like you're trying to kill a chicken. Ooooo! Big one! Ya baby, it's big. Then she says "Put it in, just a little". I said no. You're not ready. She said "Please, just an inch". I said no. Next time. This went on for a while. So finally she's laying on her back with her left knee bent and I was from the side. She's shaking it and beating it and trying to shove it in. She's saying "oooo. Ooo. Ya, ya, do it, do it. Please. I love that when you do that... Please". She's all wet and juicy. So finally I just gave it a shove, and pop! Almost three quarters of the way down. It was so damn funny, I'm just looking at the side of her face. She's got this huge smile as she's "ooo. Ooo... Ya, ya, sheet" She was so proud she was finally getting drilled from a foreigner.

Since she's a big thick girl, next time she came, I wanted to make sure she had something to tell her friends about. So just for kicks I dropped about 100 MG of sidenafil. Got behind her and gave her the full treatment. It's funny, after that she still wanted to come, but never more than once a week. She said she's worried about getting something. I can't remember what the hell she called it, but it's the bisaya word for beef curtains.

GoodEnough

04-20-15, 02:54

"GE, your such a cynic. Smiley. Personally I think Melville was wrong and that there is some sort of meaning or reason to all this. We are just too dumb to see or understand it. An ant can not grasp the anthill, yet he contributes unknowingly. ".

No cynic I my friend. I think to a large extent we create our own realities, and for the most part, I'm comfortable with mine. I have been reflecting a bit on the perceptions of the country and the people of the guys who visit here briefly, several of whom have commented that the only saving grace of the place is the availability and sexuality of the women. While I freely admit the allure of young, available Filipinas, the latter is not, for many of us who live here, the country's only attraction and I'm sorry if I've contributed to the creation of that impression.

I would imagine that most short-term visitors here, who understandably fixate on available young women, meet a highly skewed sample of Filipinos. That fact is however, that there is a plethora of highly intelligent, well educated, informed, upper middle class Filipinos who are interesting, inquisitive, well traveled and worth meeting. I was thinking about this on Saturday night during a discussion with a couple whom we often see at our favorite restaurant. He's a physician, she's a partner in a very successful architectural firm and they are, in many respects, not much different from any successful couple I'd meet in New York. Are they "typical" of most Filipinos the average visitor would meet by chance? Hardly. Neither however are they an anomaly. I'm sure that RK in particular can relate to this as I know the circles within which he moves professionally here. It's no more accurate to characterize Filipinos based on the bar girls one meets than it is to generalize about Americans on the basis of the red necks and greed mongers who seem to dominate US politics at the moment.

GE.

Hutsori

04-20-15, 09:27

I would imagine that most short-term visitors here, who understandably fixate on available young women, meet a highly skewed sample of Filipinos. That fact is however, that there is a plethora of highly intelligent, well educated, informed, upper middle class Filipinos who are interesting, inquisitive, well traveled and worth meeting. I was thinking about this on Saturday night during a discussion with a couple whom we often see at our favorite restaurant. He's a physician, she's a partner in a very successful architectural firm and they are, in many respects, not much different from any successful couple I'd meet in New York. Are they "typical" of most Filipinos the average visitor would meet by chance? Hardly. Neither however are they an anomaly.
GE.Thanks for writing this, GE. I strongly echo this view, and I hope those who read it approach the place and its people with an open mind and keep it that way. (It's a pity GE's comment is in one of the less-active sections.).

Sam 14

04-20-15, 18:48

...<Snip> While I freely admit the allure of young, available Filipinas, the latter is not, for many of us who live here, the country's only attraction and I'm sorry if I've contributed to the creation of that impression....<Snip> I don't think you've contributed to that impression. But I think I made a poor choice of words when I wrote (sex) is the only reason I live here, because that's not true. Rather that allure would have to be high on the list of any place I'd choose to live. I've traveled allot of the country and seen the beauty of the nature and the people. Every time I feel like packing it up and going home I just can't seem to do it.

Thanks for writing this, GE. I strongly echo this view, and I hope those who read it approach the place and its people with an open mind and keep it that way. (It's a pity GE's comment is in one of the less-active sections.).I hope so too. And I enjoy reading the posts about the politics, hardships, seemingly hopelessness of some things, spirituality, and all that kind of stuff. It's interesting as someone living here, and may even help some guys lurching and contemplating where to go "live their dream". Davao and other cities are seeing allot more foreigners. When things aren't the way they think they ought to be, I've seen them shoot their mouths off and disrespect people. So it's not good for anyone. The visitor is unhappy and the Filipinos are asking why don't they just leave if they don't like it. It takes a certain type of person to live here, it isn't for everyone. Thank you guys for all your posts.

X Man

04-20-15, 23:35

This post has nothing to do with Davao, but seems related to some of the recent discussion. SOrry.

An article at the Huffington Post website is so obviously slanted I had to check the date to make sure it wash't an April Fools joke. Here is the line I enjoyed the most, "It is a peaceful land and there is a well respected law prohibiting the honking of horns, so even a rush hour in lines and rows of cars still seems somewhat peaceful.".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melissa-decastro/philippines-modern-histor_b_7082250.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

Hutsori

04-21-15, 05:56

An article at the Huffington Post website is so obviously slanted I had to check the date to make sure it wash't an April Fools joke. To the Filipinos' credit many of their comments express disbelief.

But say you're visiting us for the first time, and let's just assume, you based your visit ENTIRELY on this article alone. How would you, the first time visitor to the Philippines, feel upon finding out that almost none of this is true, or at best, partially true? I mean, please don't get me wrong. I love the Pinas as much as any other Filipino. But you have to draw the line of reality somewhere.

LOL it looks like this article is written for Tourism purposes only. You want me to summarize the real Philippines? It is not a paradise at all, that is it is full of problems that you would normally expect from a developing country. Traffic, over population, pollution, prostitutes, thieves, poverty....But do not take this bad sides to be the whole of the Philippines. There is more to see in the country side. Beautiful spots and sceneries, friendly happy people. So many ways to have adventure. If you are looking for a place to see luxury and experience comfort..don't go to the Philippines. But if you want simple natural beauty and adventure and experience a different culture, well, it is the place to be!!

As a Filipino who cares always for the truth, I'd say Ms.Melissa DeCastro's write-up about the Philippines contains some exaggerations.

Slippery

04-22-15, 23:01

Member #4491

04-27-15, 00:11

Many times, even in the dead of night, I've stood on my balcony and tried to count to 10 without hearing a horn honking. Impossible.I would also do this if I had a balcony.

GoodEnough

06-06-15, 21:10

Arrived back home in Davao yesterday from Manila, and was giving a friend a ride to his house a bit beyond Damosa when I noticed a large sign proclaiming the new site of the Dusit Thani Davao. Once completed the Dusit will immediately become the number one hotel here I suppose, and the first real five star hotel in the city. Evidently the new complex will include both residences and a hotel, somewhat similar I suppose, to the Fairmont / Raffles complex in Makati. Hopefully, the place will also include a decent Thai restaurant.

GE.

Mbsl65

06-08-15, 00:52

Marina Tuna is a perfect location to visit and eat seafood. It is close Waterfront Insular Hotel (about 1 km) opposite side of the same road. If you like seafood, you may really like the place.

Mbsl65

06-08-15, 00:56

GoodEnough

06-08-15, 10:06

I stayed there again. Very friendly and professional service. Also they do have meetings in the hotel on the conference rooms and you may have a chance to meet professional Pinays. It is also next to the mall and you have access to most of the stuff you may like.Nothing wrong with the Seda. I stayed at the Seda in CDO and it was fine. However, it's a 3 star hotel by any reasonable standard. The Dusit however, will be the first real 5 star in Davao and it's interesting to me that the corporation's market research must suggest that there will be a sufficient number of guests seeking that level of service.

GE.

Mbsl65

06-09-15, 22:43

Nothing wrong with the Seda. I stayed at the Seda in CDO and it was fine. However, it's a 3 star hotel by any reasonable standard. The Dusit however, will be the first real 5 star in Davao and it's interesting to me that the corporation's market research must suggest that there will be a sufficient number of guests seeking that level of service.

GE.Location, location and location. If Dusit will be close to any mall, maybe I may consider staying. But for mongering reasons, Seda was more than enough. Apparently Seda was designed to be a Marriott but Marriott pulled out after some attacks on their branded hotels and they saw Davao City as a risky location.

GoodEnough

06-10-15, 04:05

Location, location and location. If Dusit will be close to any mall, maybe I may consider staying. But for mongering reasons, Seda was more than enough. Apparently Seda was designed to be a Marriott but Marriott pulled out after some attacks on their branded hotels and they saw Davao City as a risky location.Dusit will be within a 5-10 minute drive of both Abreeza and SM Premier, but not within reasonable walking distance. I'm surprised about the original designation of Seda as a Marriott since first, it's not luxurious enough and second, Seda appears to have an arrangement with Ayala to locate adjacent to Ayala malls. Not sure what different proximity of a hotel to a major mall makes in Davao, but to each his own.

GE.

Engine Driver

06-10-15, 06:16

Dusit will be within a 5-10 minute drive of both Abreeza and SM Premier, but not within reasonable walking distance. I'm surprised about the original designation of Seda as a Marriott since first, it's not luxurious enough and second, Seda appears to have an arrangement with Ayala to locate adjacent to Ayala malls. Not sure what different proximity of a hotel to a major mall makes in Davao, but to each his own.

GE.Sir, you write that you travel weekly from Manila to Davao. What is the attraction of Davao? Do you want to escape the hustle and bustle of Manila for the weekend?

GoodEnough

06-10-15, 07:37

Sir, you write that you travel weekly from Manila to Davao. What is the attraction of Davao? Do you want to escape the hustle and bustle of Manila for the weekend?I'm afraid a full explanation would be long winded and fairly boring. Suffice it so say that I originally came to Davao for work-related purposes, and stayed at that job for about ten years, during which time I developed a life here, with networks of relationships, and I got to know the city well. Circumstances have changed, and the locus of my work life is now in Manila, though most of my other interests remain embedded in Davao. Another factor that influences my decision to remain here is that I don't much like Manila. Granted that Makati, where I stay when I'm there, is, in many respects a true international city, but the time spent wasted in traffic, the inadequacy of the infrastructure, and the almost total lack of efficient public transportation detract, in their aggregate, from the quality of life, which for me is higher in Davao. Succinctly, the concatenation of negative factors in Manila is higher than in Davao, and I've been in Davao for quite a while and feel a sense of belonging here whereas life in Metro Manila is simply too much of a hassle.

GE.

X Man

06-10-15, 18:05

What mall? Can you provide a URL? Pics?

I stayed there again. Very friendly and professional service. Also they do have meetings in the hotel on the conference rooms and you may have a chance to meet professional Pinays. It is also next to the mall and you have access to most of the stuff you may like.

Charlie Horse

06-10-15, 23:37

What mall? Can you provide a URL? Pics?http://www.sedahotels.com/abreeza/location.php

Next to Ayala mall.

X Man

06-11-15, 02:30

Thank you. I read your message and didn't notice the name of the hotel in the Title. My bad.

Looks like a nice place.

http://www.sedahotels.com/abreeza/location.php

Next to Ayala mall.

Mbsl65

06-17-15, 08:56

It is next to Abreezia / Ayala Mall.

What mall? Can you provide a URL? Pics?

Mbsl65

06-17-15, 08:57

Dusit will be within a 5-10 minute drive of both Abreeza and SM Premier, but not within reasonable walking distance. I'm surprised about the original designation of Seda as a Marriott since first, it's not luxurious enough and second, Seda appears to have an arrangement with Ayala to locate adjacent to Ayala malls. Not sure what different proximity of a hotel to a major mall makes in Davao, but to each his own.

GE.If you stayed in Cebu Marriott, Seda makes is like a Ritz Carlton. I think Marriott is too easy on the franchise operators in Philippines.

Retgilpo

06-23-15, 14:09

Hey folks,

I am an older man and so I like to take a beer and have some "nude looking fun" in a girlie bar.

Like full nude striptease or just full nude dancers.

Any tips welcome for Davao but also for other Philippine cities.

Please streets or bar names.

Mayntain

06-30-15, 06:19

Member #4491

06-30-15, 18:40

The bar opposite HL on Palma Gil is better. Prettier girls. They show the beaver.

Sam 14

07-02-15, 18:25

Yes Barba, you are correct. It's directly opposite HL, being Hot Legs Super Nite Club. . So says the sign. Your local field agent went in for a look this Thursday night at 11:30. I stuck my head into a well lit, super loud place with two very large girls in bikinis on stage, and did a 180 before the door even closed. The guy outside said there were a dozen or so inside. So I thought it over for a while and, determined to get a report, went back in.

I must say, it was a pleasant surprise. I had a seat on the couch very close to the left of the stage. There was a new pair up and the one closest to me was a doll. Great little frame, and pretty as can be. Nice dancer with black bra and panties and a tight, see though black top. The other was sexy too, dressed the same and probably neither had babies. Neither undressed further. She stopped to introduce herself as she left the stage, nice girl.

Next up was a super gwapa--very pretty face. Shorter, a bit thicker, the butt was a little chubby but damn, she was hot. Soon the top came off to reveal a gorgeous pair of size B breasts. Soon the panties came off, and the other one was naked by then too. She was pretty damn hot also, both pretty good dancers. I was just thinking that if I was in a pinch, I'd love to take her out. She left the stage the other direction, must not have felt the same.

Both of the next pair were sexy and pretty too, and they took it all off. After that I think it was the first one back up, but now in red. Neither took it off again. Then it got louder, and a Filipino favorite that I happen to hate came on, so that was all I could take.

I'll just mention that although they were mostly sexy and pretty, they all had some type of funk in their butts that I can't quite describe. If you're one of these real ass guys, you probably ought to look elsewhere.

Separately, does anyone know where I can pick up some lube in Davao? No petroleum, obviously, KY or whatever? That place with the toys in Victoria is gone now. Imagine that. Something that was good, and available yesterday is all of a sudden gone today. I'm having a little problem. I have a GF that's too tight so it's not that much fun. I'll spare you the details, but I been using extra virgin olive oil on her. Works pretty good, but the smell freaks her out a bit so she don't like it.

Thanks.

Member #4491

07-02-15, 18:50

Did you see a girl with big knockers? I would say heavy see or even the. Lovely little butt. I fell asleep between her legs licking (drooling on) her pussy, during the night day of my previous visit. Not a good end to an excellent start of a marvelous trip.

There is a pharmacy close to theé Morvie on Claveria. They sold me KY some months ago. Now why would Barba buy KY in the proximity of theé Morvie on Claveria one could ask himself?

Elementary my dear Fuckson. Ass cherry.

Ms Account

07-15-15, 09:33

Although I have been to Davao many times before I have never ventured into the bar scene.

Based upon intel sourced here I ventured out to HL1, HL3 and Ms. I (the bar opposite HL1 mentioned by Sam14 below).

In HL1 I was swarmed by girls (which I detest) and when I made it clear was not buying drinks was left alone. But gave up after 1 beer and left. HL1 was quite small and not that appealing.

Tried Ms. I across the road. More run down but I thought better looking girls although I still got swarmed. There was one quite cute girl who danced who then returned to the VIP room. Told she had been working only a few days.

Left and tried HL3. I actually ran into a girl there I had previously met in Cebu mango bars. This place was even more run down but larger than HL1. Saw the shower show which is unique. A couple of the Filipino customers paid the 200? Pesos to have a grope of the shower girl. Sat with the ex Cebu girl and she told me mostly Filipino customers in HL3.

The next night went back to Ms. I to see if could catch the cute girl. She was free and tried their VIP room with the cute girl and her friend. 1600 for 1 hour including 4 beers for customer and 4 ladies drinks. I ended up only drinking 2 beers and the girls had the 4 ladies drinks plus the extra 2 beers (don't know how they don't get fat!) Happy to chat and they sang. I am sure could have negotiated more with one girl but the cute girl said she was lesbian and had promised her girlfriend she would do drinks only. Overall though had a good time with them.

Would highly recommend Ms. I (there is no sign outside they just told me the name). Thanks Sam14 for the tip.

OrdinaryJoe

07-21-15, 18:06

I recently learned that there is curfew in that city, I'm about to go there and got worry if and how curfew is enforced, bars and everything else closing at midnight or so? How about walking around after dark?

Many thanks, I read this forum for while and nobody ever mention that.

Member #4491

07-23-15, 13:41

You can walk any time. No problems.

Sam 14

07-25-15, 19:15

Ok, we've learned about conflict avoidance. Forensic cleanup, transfer rooms when yours smells like sex, cellphone passcode lock, etc. Even covered advanced measures like turning off screen notices.

So how else could one use his CP to blow his love life eight ways from hell? Here you go:

A little background first for context. I didn't come from sex prison, I had a good life in my place. So when I moved to the Philippines it was for quality over quantity, and I don't mean conversation. I like it as close to the north of 18 as possible, and near virgin as possible, with preferably 1-2 previous pokes. But at that point in life, the typical Davaoeña is too busy "focusing on her studies", or whatever else they're programmed to focus on. It's like it's in their DNA. So I have over 1,500 messages from different numbers I haven't deleted, with over 500 I haven't even bothered to read. Because that's at least how many I've tried at, with maybe 2-5% success.

So all that is just to say it's taken a long time and a lot of fight to arrive at what keeps me off the streets lately. They're two top shelf gals that I'm quite fond of. We'll call them Angel, 19 and Joy 18. Angel has been coming to me for a year and a half. She could win a Nobel Prize for perfect vagina, and just small and cute as can be. Joy isn't quite as pretty, but she's the newest one, just one month in and previously virgin. She's exotic, loving, and just happens to be wild in bed. Then, just for kicks, I been working on Sai Sai, 18, virgin still, and almost too shy to talk. Only because she's chocolate black, and that's what I really want.

Ok, so here's how it's done: Wake up, grab the CP and type "Hai Baby. How many minutes until you leave?" Then press "send". Aw fuck! It was intended for Joy, (the newest one), but you just sent it to Angel, your best Old Faithful, you stupid fuck. Fuck! It's Friday and she knows she's not coming until Sunday. Fuck me!! Ok, damage control mode:

Sam: "jaja. Sorry Baby, wrong type. That was copy and paste from last time. Haha. Good morning Baby".

Angel: Oppppps. You have another baby? Ok.

Sam: Jaja. No Sweetheart. That's copy and paste from last time. Sorry.

Angel: Lier );.

Sam: No Baby.

Angel: );.

That's it. She's gone. No more text.

Ok, lesson learned. Mental note: Going to have to be extremely careful in the future. Maybe post a heads up on ISG.

Later that night, sleepy after a hard day with Joy. Jai Jai (the hopeless virgin) is bored and texting every 5 minutes from her work. Yet blowing off my offer to go visit her at her work. Ok, About time to put an end to this silly texting game. Send message: "Ok, never mind. I promised you I'd never try to force you into anything you don't want to do. That includes now. Take care Sai Sai". . Send. Fuck!. Just sent it to Joy. The one I just spent all day with. Fuck me! Fuck fuck.

Sam: jajaja. Sorry Baby, wrong text. You didn't reply to my earlier text, I was trying to copy and paste. That was a copy from long time ago. I gave up with her a long time ago.

Joy: your wrong sent? How nice message huh!!

Sam: No Baby, not like that. That was copy and paste from before. Bla bla bla.

She's smarter than to buy that load of crap. Now she's gone too. For a while, anyway.

Filipinas have a remarkable sense of forgiveness. I hope these two do. Because if not, I'm back to square one. Burnt out, a shy virgin that's light years away, and a bunch of phone numbers. . And I hate texting.

Just check before you hit send.

Mbsl65

07-25-15, 23:02

Ok, we've learned about conflict avoidance. Forensic cleanup, transfer rooms when yours smells like sex, cellphone passcode lock, etc. Even covered advanced measures like turning off screen notices.

Just check before you hit send.Unfortunately I did a similar thing in Thailand. Instead of my picture, I sent a naked picture of a Pinay Thai girl had a good understand and everything went OK. But it was a close call.

Ms Account

09-06-15, 14:28

Made a quick trip to Davao last month unfortunately during Kadayawan festival.

Marco Polo was too expensive at 5500 per night so stayed at Seda Abreeza for 3650 per night. Still expensive. Given they advertise that price on their TV screen at check in I assume they don't really discount or escalate their price based upon occupancy. Brand new hotel, not bad but still prefer if same price the Marco Polo. Tiled room floors which I don't like. However I would highly recommend their 2 hour all you can drink wine offer at 680 pesos in the lobby restaurant. In 2 hours I knocked back 6 glasses of quite good wines (mostly Australian). Had a choice of 3 reds and 3 whites. Virtually every wine type they were breaking the seal of the bottle so not sure there are many people using the offer. Checking their website, their 2 hour unlimited cocktails at 580 pesos is still advertised but not their wine offer. So maybe they have pulled it. If not I will definitely visit again even if staying at Marco Polo (where their wine prices in the lobby lounge are insane).

6 wines is a bit too much for me at my age so destroyed all female related activities. And on that front nothing exciting to report in Davao as I was just seeing a regular there.

GoodEnough

09-07-15, 04:37

Though I've eaten at the White House several times, it had been at least a year until I returned last night. I had almost forgotten what a beautiful place it is, and the setting alone well justifies what are, for Davao, fairly steep prices. For those who don't know the place, it occupies a totally refurbished, wooden villa constructed in the early 20th century by an American businessman. The thecor is lovely as is the outdoor terrace which sits in the middle of perfectly tended gardens.

The food is eclectic, and best described I guess as Japanese-French fusion, and the combinations of ingredients are unusual. The food is beautifully plated but not by any means outstanding. In fact, the quality of the cuisine is far better at Bon Apptit and De Bonte Koe, though the White House is the most attractive, romantic restaurant in the city. Dinner for two, including a decent, but unremarkable California Merlot was just shy of $100, which is about what one would pay at Bon Apptit, though with a better wine at the latter.

The Italian restaurant Pico Bello has re-opened in a new location. I tried it two weeks ago, and it continues to serve well prepared, moderately priced Italian food with a decent selection of Italian wines from Swiss Deli with shares a common ownership with this place. Much of the restaurant seating is on a roofed, outdoor terrace on the second floor of a two story shopping center directly across the road from Monte Ritz. The value for money here is quite good and a decent dinner for two with wine can be eaten for about $40-45.

GE.

Mbsl65

09-09-15, 07:38

26 Aug, 2015.

I flew from Cebu to Davao with Air Asia. Very good service. Only decent hotel online I could find was "Crown Regency Villas" due to an ongoing convention in city. I checked into the hotel and checked out in next 5 minutes. It was a nasty place. Luckily I found a room at Park Inn after a cancellation. But I not for the next night. The lady whom I supposed to meet came and picked me up and took me to Park Inn. I met her on DIA and she supposed to be a 32 yrs old in broadcast industry. She is a 9 and mother of 2 and divorced. We went to Marina Seafood Restaurant and jeez, everybody knew her. All the politicians and staff keep coming and talking to this local celebrity. I felt a little bit weird since I was just there to play. After the dinner we went to Matina Square and a coffee shop. Everything was the same. I was with a local celebrity and I felt uncomfortable. It is amazing whom you may meet on DIA. But we spent the night together and I bailed out to Manila next day via Air Asia. Great experience but it was overloaded. We are still communicating but I had to cool it down.

Pantot

09-20-15, 15:27

Spent another 5 days this past August in Davao and for the first time in the Phils outside of AC had plenty of free time as my main lady fell through and all my plan "be" girls were short term anyway.

I spent some time trolling at the Malls, mostly G Mall since it was just a straight jeep jaunt from my hotel. I hit up 3 Mall employee girls who seemed willing and promising, but full time working girls in simple legitimate jobs are really not a good target for short time visitors. They work virtually everyday and corporate type employers like Malls restrict the girls use of cellfones (a must from a productivity standpoint) so its hard to keep in touch for a meet up.

My better success was with a mall patron and 2 random wechat girls. Wechat is a real crapshoot its mostly gays posing. I have met 5 girls from there the last two Phils visits this year. 3 led to sex although none were anything I would have chose from a bar or off the street or in a cam random chat.

One thing I have noticed after a year of visiting this site is that alot of the difference in viewpoints is because many of the posters here actually live in the Phils or spend long periods in one place.

Thats a whole different dynamic and comes with a completely different and mostly opposite set of issues and challenges and would require a different approach to mongering than a short time visitor. If one actually lives there, for a relatively fit average foriegner finding free willing girls would be like shooting fish in a barrel and the main concern would be in avoiding trouble which would be plenty to anyone with visible roots there.

The long time multi thousand posters who live in the Phils (god give them strength) mostly have issues and advice which is useless to those of us who visit frequently but stay for short bursts in different places. The malls were definitely fertile hunting ground but with only a few days to exploit I will stick to my strategy of having girls set up in advance. I am like a sailor on shore leave in the Phils on vacation and would prefer not to sleep alone there and want sex everyday and night frankly. Wechat is a good new addition to the arsenal, I have found and hour perusing that site in AC and Davao recently have brought girls to my room quickly although none would be ones to brag about looks wise, they were more interesting conversationally as they tended to be older than what my eyes will choose. Since coming home I have kept in touch with some of the mall workers so something may come of it one day though I doubt it.

I had some very interesting circumstances at one hotel where two of the young housekeepers left thier CP numbers scribbled on notes on my desk. Both turned out to be virgins 18 and 22 and the executive housekeeper actually was egging them on. Usually a random note would have just caused trouble as I am usually not alone and that would take some splaining to my GF but this time it worked out as I was alone. I had a day date with one at the mall and the other was like a scared rabbit so nothing of substance came out of it but it fed the ego of a middleaged man like me. Later when a coworker informed the mall date that I brought a girl to my room that killed the relationship with the virgin. Its amazing how a girls there can buy the illusion that a single lone man can plauasably roam the Phils without random sex to begin with.

Alot of the disagreements here stem from different circumstances. Those on a budget versus those on an expense account with money to burn. Some who virtually live there versus those who are there short term or the first time. Some who want porn stars and some who want girls next door like me. Its all about perspective and personal tastes.

FreebieFan

09-21-15, 02:29

So how else could one use his CP to blow his love life eight ways from hell? Here you go:

Filipinas have a remarkable sense of forgiveness. I hope these two do. Because if not, I'm back to square one. Burnt out, a shy virgin that's light years away, and a bunch of phone numbers. . And I hate texting.

Just check before you hit send.Whilst its not any consolation, weve all been there and done that.

And once in a drunken haze sent a message to my good friend asking where was the latest / greatest place for a quickie massage with BJ. Only it wasnt sent to good friend. Was sent to a sister in law. Ouch!

X Man

09-21-15, 03:07

It's been many years since I've visited Davao. I had pretty good success with ladies I met online. I did hook up with one gal in the mall who was working at a children's toy kiosk. Ah, lots of good memories.

You've made many interesting comments in your post. In the quote below, I'm referring to your last sentence. I think this is best explained by the particular Asian version of "saving face". She is probably aware that Westerners commonly score with much younger attractive women. She works in a hotel after all! But having her "date" messing around in front of all her colleagues probably created some degree of humiliation.

I would have considered moving to another hotel for two reasons. One, to avoid potential drama, and two, maids are typically forbidden from socializing with the guests of the hotel they work in.

Something I find inscrutable with Filipinas is that they seem concerned with the possibility that you are messing around while in the Philippines, but seem to ignore the possibility that you might have a little tush where you came from. When I arrive in Manila, my Cebu girl sends a text to say, "hope you don't get a girl there". But she never has commented or questioned me about what I might be up to in X-land.

Thanks for the interesting post Pantot. The executive housekeeper sounds like a real matchmaker. Hope you got her phone number too! X Man.

Spent another 5 days this past August in Davao and for the first time in the Phils outside of AC had plenty of free time as my main lady fell through and all my plan "be" girls were short term anyway.
SNIP
I had some very interesting circumstances at one hotel where two of the young housekeepers left thier CP numbers scribbled on notes on my desk. Both turned out to be virgins 18 and 22 and the executive housekeeper actually was egging them on. Usually a random note would have just caused trouble as I am usually not alone and that would take some splaining to my GF but this time it worked out as I was alone. I had a day date with one at the mall and the other was like a scared rabbit so nothing of substance came out of it but it fed the ego of a middleaged man like me. Later when a coworker informed the mall date that I brought a girl to my room that killed the relationship with the virgin. Its amazing how a girls there can buy the illusion that a single lone man can plauasably roam the Phils without random sex to begin with.

SNIP.

BrainDrain

09-21-15, 03:15

A lot of the disagreements here stem from different circumstances. Those on a budget versus those on an expense account with money to burn. Some who virtually live there versus those who are there short term or the first time. Some who want porn stars and some who want girls next door like me. Its all about perspective and personal tastes.I'm not sure about disagreements but certainly different points of view.

In Philippines there is someone (plus a few extra) for everyone. The girl that might look chubby to me, reminds the next guy of his childhood sweetheart, that girl with braces isn't for me, but the guy over there thinks she looks like his teenage daughter's best 18+ friend. All those wechat gays not for me, but for the open minded unsure individual let him decide for himself.

I was thinking about this watch the AC bar lineups. All girls are not the same. Some outgoing, some quiet, some with tummy, some with asses too skinny. There is one for everyone.

I so much want to go back to Phils ASAP. I'e been hone two days already.

Thanks for the FR.

BD.

X Man

09-22-15, 08:59

I guess Davao isn't as safe as we thought. News stories:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/11881362/Gunmen-kidnap-foreign-tourists-from-Philippines-resort.html

http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/john-ridsel-robert-hall-canadians-tourists-kidnapped-gunmen-philippines-terrorists-canada-norway-norwegian-hotel-manager-holiday-oceanview-samal-resort/

The Holiday Ocean View Samal resort is on the north tip of Samal Island. That seems odd as this location would make escape more complicated. The resort has an out of date FB page here: https://www.facebook.com/Holiday-Ocean-View-Samal-177918968900532/timeline/.

GoodEnough

09-22-15, 13:42

Pantot

09-22-15, 17:02

I guess Davao isn't as safe as we thought. News stories:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/philippines/11881362/Gunmen-kidnap-foreign-tourists-from-Philippines-resort.html

It doesn't really change the nature of Davao being a relatively safe place any more than the Dos Palmas kidnappings of over a decade ago harkened in a time of danger for that other rather tranquil place of Puerto Princessa Palawan.

Seems they are similar in the MO. Both very soft targets not known for extremist activity. Both islands off tranquil cities far from the bases of Muslim unrest. Easy to get in and out of by boat. Its not lihe anything resembling even a servicable functional coast guard is present.

The telegraph reporter was pretty uninformed and sloppy with his descriptions. While Mindanao is the home of most of the radical seperatists, Davao is far from thier bases and spheres of influence. Any reporter with a remote familiarity of the region would have noted that.

Those unfortunate foriegners got hit by lightning on a clear sunny day and likely were taken far from Davao. Doesn't change my view of the relative safety of Davao nor much of Mindanao one bit.

GoodEnough

09-24-15, 06:54

According to the latest reports, the 11 kidnappers and their motorized bancas so, ehow eluded Philippine naval forces (amazing) and escaped with hostages to the mountains of Davao Oriental. Given that the Navy here would be outgunned by almost anyone, and that it's most threatening weapons date from about WWII, this is hardly surprising. This will turn out to be another kidnap for ransom, likely executed on behalf of some sleazeball politician who will assist in the negotiations and pocket the takings.

GE.

Wicked Roger

09-24-15, 07:29

MutantChicken

09-24-15, 14:29

Member #4491

09-25-15, 22:18

Hi guys,
I am currently trying badoo, okcupid and tagged. My question is it worth persevering, and how do guys deal with the anti cut and paste issue on DIA. Secondly how much luck am I going to have with mall hunting in Davao?
...
2. I was intending to bus it to CDO. Which I getting the message is safe, but bus-ing it to Gensan. Is currently dangerous?..Quite general questions but here we go:

1. 1. Yes, it is. It helps to have correct information in the profile and to write things that seems reasonably normal.

1. 2. You rewrite parts of the message.

1. 3. A reasonable amount of "luck", if you look and act reasonably normal.

2. A little bit, but still worth the ride.

Good luck and hope to see your report here.

All the best,

Barba

GoodEnough

09-25-15, 23:20

Hi guys,

Lest I be accused of not reading beforehand, I just wanted to get some kinda feedback or some pointers. So here are my bullet points haha.

1. I have read that Davao etc doesn't have much in paid entertainment, as such I have tried the online dating route, but since I don't intend to return with much frequency to the Philippines etc I have avoided the paid sites like FC or CB etc. I tried DIA, but was caught up in the anti cut and paste bots, so my account was deleted and I have been able to set up a second account due to the IP address issues.

I am currently trying badoo, okcupid and tagged. My question is it worth persevering, and how do guys deal with the anti cut and paste issue on DIA. Secondly how much luck am I going to have with mall hunting in Davao?

2. I was intending to bus it to CDO. Which I getting the message is safe, but bus-ing it to Gensan. Is currently dangerous?

I intend to spend 3 weeks in Mindanao and a week in AC / Subic on the way back, so if push comes to shove I'm happy to stay celibate for the starting 3 weeks. Is there something I'm missing out on?I can't help much with the online hook-up services as I've never used any of them. I have noticed that there are a few good looking Davao-based women in Craigslist from time to time.

There are several pay for play bars in Davao, and I guess the best known are the three Hot Legs bars. I've not been to any of them in quite a while but they're pretty much the standard deal: bar fine and then money for the girl afterward. I'm told there's also lots of street action here near People's Park, but again I've no first hand experience.

General Santos is not dangerous, but given the condition of the buses and the recklessness of the drivers, the ride could be. I don't think the city has much to offer in the way of anything interesting. The ride to CDO by bus will take about 7 hours. It's a beautiful ride, but again the mountain roads aren't great and the buses are not always in good condition.

If you want to try your luck at the malls, go to Victoria or Gaisano. The more upscale malls, Abreeza and SM Lanang would offer you a far lower probability of success.

GE.

X Man

09-26-15, 14:48

I can copy paste twice to DIA before they kick back. I just change a few things and then post twice more. Not sure why you got thrown off entirely. You do want to avoid using any naughty words.

If you plan to be there three weeks, consider a paid site for just a month or two. I used CB, but that was years ago. It was a gold mine!

If you have three weeks, you won't be celibate.

Hi guys,

Lest I be accused of not reading beforehand, I just wanted to get some kinda feedback or some pointers. So here are my bullet points haha.

123 SNIP

I intend to spend 3 weeks in Mindanao and a week in AC / Subic on the way back, so if push comes to shove I'm happy to stay celibate for the starting 3 weeks. Is there something I'm missing out on?

Member #4491

09-26-15, 15:16

There are several pay for play bars in Davao, and I guess the best known are the three Hot Legs bars. I've not been to any of them in quite a while but they're pretty much the standard deal: bar fine and then money for the girl afterward. I'm told there's also lots of street action here near People's Park, but again I've no first hand experience.GE,

I know you do not care much but the SWs immediately around Peoples Park are few and normally not worth any attention. Mainly washed out casino hoes. You will find a hand full in the San Pedro area. Normally a couple that are quite cute and much more that would have to pay me for sex. Some in the northern parts of Pelayo and occasionally a couple on Illustre. On any given night there is a bunch on Tionko (Central Bank) and the streets around Tionko. This is the number one location for SW in Dvo. Mamasan Nit a or her sister are quite reliable providers, but be prepared to haggle. 1 K PHP is reasonable, especially late at night or weekdays. Sometimes you find a few around Ecoland terminal and SM Ecoland. Occasionally a couple around Victoria and Gaisano parking lots late hours. There are some more areas but these are out the beaten tracks, and the ones I have mentioned will be enough for most visitors desiring SWs.

It is normally always possible to find at least one reasonably attractive female in a bar, but by any comparison Hot Legs must be said to be a poor choice for bar goers. Barely worth the taxi ride, unless you are with mates and have some fun anyway. The bar opposite Hot Legs on Palm Gil is slightly better. Prettier girls. If you like big tits on a small frame you should go there. (You will know who I mean, but do not mention this board or me). You can barfine or have sex in the private rooms in more or less all bars in Dvo.

B

GoodEnough

09-26-15, 22:57

Barba,

Thanks for the update, I knew, as I tried to make clear in my post that my information was years old. As you know, it's been years since I've done the P4 P scene here. I've got no interest in re-immersing myself in that sort of action in this city as you know, but I'm sure other visitors here will fin the information helpful.

All the best.

GE.

AttorneyPunani

01-09-16, 19:03

I had a business trip around a year ago in Davao. Was booked in a hotel alone, so I thought I'd go for a romp about the town. Cabbie pointed me to the site. Got a pretty caramel girl who looked well, she told me she had just given birth, and that was the reason she was working. Unfortunately, I don't remember her name, nor the cost for her time, but it was around the ballpark of 2 k for 2 pops. And I remember having been amazed by the face and the body on her. Really pretty Filipino, with ample breasts, and dark nipples (just the way I like them). I regret that I wasn't able to get her number. Then again, maybe it's a good thing. Might create more problems than relief if one gets too attached.

Sebans

02-09-16, 19:20

I'm looking for a furnished apartment in Davao city from March to September 2016 - 6 months.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Sympalogy

03-03-16, 11:52

I'm looking for a furnished apartment in Davao city from March to September 2016 - 6 months.

Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.I stayed here for 2 months, very happy with it: http://junanddellapartment.com/.

Comparing Manila to Davao city:

Davao city has much more "fresh air", the traffic is not bad, and the distance to relevant places quite short.

Girls really willing to meet in Davao (from FC), so they have no problem coming to my apartment (from the link above) BUT it hadn't been as easy as people made it seem to have sex with these girls.

I have every day 3 to 4 girls on my bed, next to me, and I was kissing them etc, yet they are so shy they just get into some shocked mode and say "next time, next time". I have maybe only got laid with 25% of the girls I met, and I did not go blatantly offering cash for sex as some people do where they make it clear it is that was in their messages because the best girls tend to block such clear attempts. So in Manila, especially since the girls are much more about money than Davao, getting laid is more "sure". Even girls who are 27 and higher in Davao could be virgin (found a couple) or stopped sex after 1 or 2 times because of a bad boyfriend, so not much experience. Also, they tend to not have tried simple things like BJ or sex in positions other than missionary.

However, girls in Davao are definitely more beautiful than Manila. I like light skinned Asian but in Davao they have a skin color that is exactly the same as if suntanned and sun kissed nicely. Also, their boobs are bigger than in Manila, so it's much easier to find girls with nice medium full sizes. It's also easier to find girls who don't have a baby yet (of course many teenage moms in Davao, but also many girls until 25 with no babies).

The asses and lips are definitely nicer too, and more bubble butts. Davao girls look more like Indonesians than the Manila girls, and they have a lot more curves.

The faces too are much more attractive than Manila girls, their noses are nicer. Of course, I am talking here "on average". The high end $$ Manila girls are of course top shelf, so they cannot be compared to the normal population, but those need much more cash to get.

Also, I think the high end Manila girls are superior because they can be so good in bed. I mean compared to a Davao girls who never tried BJ in her life, the top shelf Manila girls who can deepthroat and swallow your load and lick your ass are a much much happier experience than "babysitting" a shy cute girl into her first penis-in-mouth experience.

GoodEnough

03-04-16, 08:08

Full Count

03-04-16, 09:54

X Man

03-04-16, 11:32

DS certainly had his good and bad sides here at ISG. I only met him once. Briefly at a New Year Party in Davao. It's always sad to see someone make the Final departure. I hope he's made arrangements regarding his children in the Philippines. Thanks for the report GE.

I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.

Blanquiceleste

03-04-16, 17:16

Wicked Roger

03-05-16, 09:55

I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.Re post from DS forum (something we rarely did when the big man was alive).

Thanks GE.

Sad news as I had noted he was not on the board and not YM either where I usually was chatting with him.

Having known him for some time but nowhere near as long as you, he was a good guy despite his demeanor at times. We all have flaws and DS certainly had his but he looked after his extended family well. All the children etc and never shirked those responsibilities, unlike many others in Asia.

Redman69

03-06-16, 01:45

Sympalogy

03-06-16, 05:00

I enjoyed exchanging a lot of PMs with him, and he gave me a lot of good advice (and some of it that only applies to him, I cannot use).

I feel sad that while was wondering why his forum was so quiet, it turns out he passed away.

I want to thank him and keep his memory alive, he is the reason I discovered Davao City and keep enjoying unforgettable memories there.

JerseyShoreSun

03-06-16, 06:07

I enjoyed reading his posts and though I've never been to Davao he quirked my interest enough to make me want to visit at least once in my life. May his soul rest in peace!

I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.

Ms Account

03-14-16, 10:21

Visited Davao for 4 days to visit a regular.

One night went to Hot Legs (2?) and Ms I on Palma Gil near the Royal Mandaya hotel. Both a waste of time despite previous good reports on Ms I by both me and others previously. Then walked up to the other Ms I branch which is halfway between the Marco Polo and Gaisano mall in a side street. This a larger Ms I but also a waste of time.

Went to Claude's restaurant on another night and walking back to Marco Polo stumbled across Hot Legs 3 in Anda street (?they told me it was Anda street but I can't see this street on the map). Worse than Hot Legs 1 and 2.

On Saturday night went to Hot Legs (1?) and Babyface on San Pedro (near Myhotel). Both were very busy. At Hot Legs after the shower routine all the girls get up to dance together. There were 16 girls of which 1 was a standout. Slim tall pretty face nice boobs. Even pretty for Burgos standards but it was clear she was the prized girl as she was the central girl who did the pole dancing with all others shuffling around watching her. Sorry should have got her name because well worthwhile going to Hot Legs San Pedro if she was there and wasn't tabled. Ended up at Babyface which was also packed. For the first time for my Davao experience I barfined. In the dim light was attracted to a petite girl pretty face having worked there for a week. But in the harsh light of the hotel room, baby stretch marks and saggy mother boobs dimmed my enthusiasm.

All up if you visit these bars frequently enough you may stumble upon a gem.

Raj Chopra1976

03-14-16, 15:28

Hi,

Coming first time to Davao. N. Eed help to find good independents. Or MPs or places to enjoy. Does filipinocupid is going to be worthy buy (membership).

Thanks for your help.

Raj

PolyOrchid

03-14-16, 15:48

Thanks for the news, GE. Only met the Slayer one time for the baptism of one of his children in Davao. What an experience. He was not a shrinking shamrock, by any stretch. If aunt Mathilda preceded him, I am sure he will be giving her a rousing revival when he arrives.

Will walk many a mile without meeting the measure of the old boy. May his memory be held dearly by those who loved him. Peace and comfort to his family.

I'm putting this in the Davao thread only because this is the city where I first met the Slayer more than ten years ago. This morning I got a call from a member of his family in the US informing me of his death. I thought that those of you who chortled, or were engaged by his posts over the years would want to know.

GE.

Sam 14

03-14-16, 19:41

. Does filipinocupid is going to be worthy buy (membership).

RajYes Raj. I would say FC is worth the price for a month membership. Better yet, pay for 2 months and get 1 free. Just be polite. The girls are shy and they may be hard to get. There's street meat, big KTV clubs that are expensive, and the bars mentioned below by Ms. A. But it's not a very good mongering destination, as mentioned. All the best to you, and let us know how you make out.

(?they told me it was Anda street but I can't see this street on the map)

Allot of these streets have a second name that they use instead of the real name. I was on Anda St once looking for Iñigo Street and no one knew where it was. Anda Street is actually Iñigo Street.

The Italian restaurant Pico Bello has re-opened in a new location. I tried it two weeks ago, and it continues to serve well prepared, moderately priced Italian food with a decent selection of Italian wines from Swiss Deli with shares a common ownership with this place. Much of the restaurant seating is on a roofed, outdoor terrace on the second floor of a two story shopping center directly across the road from Monte Ritz. The value for money here is quite good and a decent dinner for two with wine can be eaten for about $40-45. GE.Thanks for the reviews, I hadn't heard of the White House. Picabello is still one of my favorite restaurants. But the old location in mall was way better. It's inexpensive, the service is extremely friendly and attentive, and I love the food. But there's only one dish I ever order, and it's not pizza. I don't know why anyone orders the pizza. The only good pizza in the city is at Spirali IMO. I do not like the new location of Picabello, and the ambiance is even worse. It's just far enough off the super highway that thank God, you don't smell the diesel smoke. But what you do hear are those trucks rumbling up the highway blowing their horns that are too loud to be on an ocean vessel. If anyone hasn't seen one of these things, they are hideous. If the ancients could see one, there would be hieroglyphics on the cave wall of these horrible screaming monsters blowing out clouds of poisonous smoke. It's an open air place, like you said, and it's got Filipino favorites coming out of crappy speakers with no bass. There's banging and clattering from the kitchen, and wooden chairs being dragged around. Dinner time is usually crowded so the whole place is in a roar over the top of all that. So I just go there, scarf, and get out.

It's a commercial complex, like you say, so the CR is way down the hall. There's no ass wipe and no soap. Not just this time, but last time, and the time before. And last month, and 3 months ago. You would expect that in any Filipino mall or restaurant, but this is supposed to be a notch up, I thought. It used to just bug me a little but what compelled me to write this tonight was when my waiter that was about to bring me bread was in there taking a [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). (In fairness, there is a sink hidden in the corner of the restaurant with soap, but I've never seen anyone us it, including my waiter. The woman cleaning the place was also in CR. I asked her where's the soap? "No soap. " I said it's a CR, why? "I don't know. " I do know. Because it's not even a thought. If you go in there and you see ADD SOME FUCKING SOAP written in permanent marker across the thing, it's me.

SergeantRay

03-15-16, 01:33

GoodEnough

03-15-16, 01:43

I had written my review of this place after my first visit to the new site. Since then I've been back twice, amd I have to agree with Sam 14. The old restaurant had a wood-fired pizza oven and made excellent pizzas. The new place does not. Plus, I found the so-called Italian foods fairly mediocre. The overall quality of the food at Swiss Deli is much higher. I also agree with Sam that by far the best pizza in town is to be found at Spirale, which does have a wood-fired oven. I suggest however asked for additional tomatoes at an additional cost of Php50.

GE.

Sammon

03-15-16, 01:52

I never had the chance to meet the man, but I enjoyed his posts.

I think the lesson here is not to be afraid to live large.Having read his many reports I believe he made 3-4 kids with different mothers. As I understand he was taking care of kids. Now that he is gone I do not know if he has made a will or deposited enough money for them. I doubt whether they will have any legal rights to whatever assets he had in US. Even claim to his life insurance is in question unless he has filed paternity papers with US embassy and they investigated it and acted favorably. I believe he willingly wanted children.

A tip to those who wants to father a child. File paternity papers even if means child support payments. At least when the child is older he or she can settle in his country.

Dg8787

03-15-16, 03:01

Having read his many reports I believe he made 3-4 kids with different mothers. As I understand he was taking care of kids. Now that he is gone I do not know if he has made a will or deposited enough money for them. I doubt whether they will have any legal rights to whatever assets he had in US. Even claim to his life insurance is in question unless he has filed paternity papers with US embassy and they investigated it and acted favorably. I believe he willingly wanted children.

A tip to those who wants to father a child. File paternity papers even if means child support payments. At least when the child is older he or she can settle in his country.Hopefully DS had registered his kids with the USA Embassy and obtained passports for them as USA Citizens prior to his passing. If he did then I believe each child is entitled to survivorship benefits (monthly payments) until the age of 18 from the Social Security program. If he had not done that then the respective mothers can still apply for US citizenship for the children and then the benefits. How ever they will need DNA samples of DS for the application thru the USA Embassy.

Totally agree, even if you are going to be a deadbeat father, at least file papers in the home country to obtain benefits for the child.

GoodEnough

03-15-16, 11:14

Hopefully DS had registered his kids with the USA Embassy and obtained passports for them as USA Citizens prior to his passing. If he did then I believe each child is entitled to survivorship benefits (monthly payments) until the age of 18 from the Social Security program. If he had not done that then the respective mothers can still apply for US citizenship for the children and then the benefits. How ever they will need DNA samples of DS for the application thru the USA Embassy.

Totally agree, even if you are going to be a deadbeat father, at least file papers in the home country to obtain benefits for the child.Unfortunately none of the above was ever done, and so the kids, all start from scratch. I've been trying to help a bit by dealing with the Embassy, amd dealing with the system there is a whole different sort of nightmare. The establishment of US citizenship after the death of the American parent is, though not impossible, difficult to do, particularly if the mothers are relatively unsophisticated, lack the means to travel to Manila with their child, and don't understand how to fill out the requisite paperwork.

It's going to be a long slog, and at the end, I don't know how many of the kids are going to end up with US Passports.

GE.

Dg8787

03-15-16, 18:30

Unfortunately none of the above was ever done, and so the kids, all start from scratch. I've been trying to help a bit by dealing with the Embassy, amd dealing with the system there is a whole different sort of nightmare. The establishment of US citizenship after the death of the American parent is, though not impossible, difficult to do, particularly if the mothers are relatively unsophisticated, lack the means to travel to Manila with their child, and don't understand how to fill out the requisite paperwork.

It's going to be a long slog, and at the end, I don't know how many of the kids are going to end up with US Passports.

GE.A few years back I had visited the USA Embassy outpost in Cebu. It is located on the very ground floor of the Waterfront hotel Lahug location. It is open in the mornings and possibly closed by 11:00 am. I remember back then it would take the initial children / passport applications and do some verifications. For final approval the applicants had to go to Manila and do the DNA test at the embassy designated lab.

I don't know how they would do the DNA test for DS. Maybe a close family member of his would submit his DNA along with theirs.

GoodEnough

03-15-16, 19:54

A few years back I had visited the USA Embassy outpost in Cebu. It is located on the very ground floor of the Waterfront hotel Lahug location. It is open in the mornings and possibly closed by 11:00 am. I remember back then it would take the initial children / passport applications and do some verifications. For final approval the applicants had to go to Manila and do the DNA test at the embassy designated lab.

I don't know how they would do the DNA test for DS. Maybe a close family member of his would submit his DNA along with theirs.Thanks, and thanks for the PM as well. I was told earlier this week, but Embassy staff in Manila that the Cebu Consulate could not offer this service, and that the applications, supporting evidence and interviews would all have to be done in Manila. I'll try to confirm this tomorrow. I was also told that while DNA evidence might have to be submitted, it is not always required. There's quite a bit about this situation that makes it, if not unique, then certainly unusual, so the hurdles to be jumped by these kids might be more difficult.

GE.

Dg8787

03-15-16, 20:01

Sammon

03-15-16, 21:09

Thanks, and thanks for the PM as well. I was told earlier this week, but Embassy staff in Manila that the Cebu Consulate could not offer this service, and that the applications, supporting evidence and interviews would all have to be done in Manila. I'll try to confirm this tomorrow. I was also told that while DNA evidence might have to be submitted, it is not always required. There's quite a bit about this situation that makes it, if not unique, then certainly unusual, so the hurdles to be jumped by these kids might be more difficult.

GE.One time I was taking fly the bus from AC to Manila. This man was saying bye to his 8 year old daughter. Nice American looking kid. On the bus we started talking. He said he is going to Guam to straight out his daughters paternity issue and get a US passport for her. He said he tried in vain for 4 years through Manila embassy only to be denied repeatedly in spite of DNA tests proving he is the father. He obviously lives in AC with the kid and her mother. I did not go into many details as it would seem I am probing into his affairs.

If what he said was true then it would seem that being dead is a bigger obstacle to legitimize kids. Adding to the problem is multiple mothers. It is a well known fact that US immigration is skeptical when multiple mothers cLiam paternity like what happened during American withdrawal from Vietnam.

I only hope the mothers saved some of the money for future needs of the kids. Knowing Philippine women this is extremely unlikely.

Maha Siddha

03-16-16, 09:00

Greeting community.

I am in Davao till Mar 25.

Any suggestions?

MP, independents, Bar or website?

X Man

03-16-16, 13:03

Wow, that is surprising. I'm guessing it was his daughter, but the mother was not his wife. That throws a wrench into the works.

Guam? I guess the lines are shorter.

One time I was taking fly the bus from AC to Manila. This man was saying bye to his 8 year old daughter. Nice American looking kid. On the bus we started talking. He said he is going to Guam to straight out his daughters paternity issue and get a US passport for her. He said he tried in vain for 4 years through Manila embassy only to be denied repeatedly in spite of DNA tests proving he is the father. He obviously lives in AC with the kid and her mother. I did not go into many details as it would seem I am probing into his affairs.

If what he said was true then it would seem that being dead is a bigger obstacle to legitimize kids. Adding to the problem is multiple mothers. It is a well known fact that US immigration is skeptical when multiple mothers cLiam paternity like what happened during American withdrawal from Vietnam.

I only hope the mothers saved some of the money for future needs of the kids. Knowing Philippine women this is extremely unlikely.

Sympalogy

03-16-16, 14:53

Greeting community.

I am in Davao till Mar 25.

Any suggestions?

MP, independents, Bar or website?You can use WeChat to locate "People Nearby" when you're in your hotel or in the mall or any other place.

You will find many escorts there. In Manila they were offering massage, in Davao they call themselves "Walkers" for some reason, and will offer to "walk".

You will know they are escorts because (1) they will have many pictures and (2) under some of the pictures they will write the price per pop, and other such comments like "take me out tonight?" etc etc.

Most of my experience in Davao is with online dating on FC, so not any experience with independents, MPs etc, other than noticing these Walkers a lot in WeChat.

I know a guy who stumbled into a red light area near City Hall, so maybe you can ask a taxi or wander walking around in the evening and hope to luck into it.

Wicked Roger

03-16-16, 17:02

Greeting community.

I am in Davao till Mar 25.

Any suggestions?

MP, independents, Bar or website?23 FRs and 23 questions and you are a "hey dude / bro" poster that the UAE calls a 'manager'.

Two more FRs and you will be a senior member without AY contribution.

The Philippine board in general and Davao I particular is full of great information just a RTFF away and a few minutes would tell all you need to know. While you RTFF look for 'give and take' as this is great reading also for your trip to Davao.

Symp was too kind but are some just say RTFF.

Still can't believe you can be a senior by asking 2 questions but seems this will happen LOL.

BrainDrain

03-17-16, 05:13

You will find many escorts there. In Manila they were offering massage, in Davao they call themselves "Walkers" for some reason, and will offer to "walk".
.I recall reading, hopefully in this forum, that it is OK for a woman to go 'out for a walk' saying that in front of the kids. So if she is going for a walk, she can come back with rice, milk for the kids and some extra peso.

BD.

Red Kilt

03-17-16, 07:17

You will find many escorts there. In Manila they were offering massage, in Davao they call themselves "Walkers" for some reason, and will offer to "walk".
The term originated in Manila. If you look at any of the local chat boards you will find that girls (and ESPECIALLY students and non regular P4 P) have used the euphemism of "going for a walk" for years. It is simply a means by which they conceal what they are really doing.

BrainDrain

03-18-16, 03:14

The term originated in Manila. If you look at any of the local chat boards you will find that girls (and ESPECIALLY students and non regular P4 P) have used the euphemism of "going for a walk" for years. It is simply a means by which they conceal what they are really doing.

Would you recommend any of the local chat boards?

Red Kilt

03-18-16, 04:20

Would you recommend any of the local chat boards?For many chat boards / chat rooms you need Tagalog and be able to understand the slang-pinoy too (the sort they use for texting).

Probably the best known one is https://pinaywalks.com/.

All boards that have chatrooms (like filipino cupid) use this euphemism "going for a walk" too.

Sam 14

03-22-16, 19:11

A sad (and rather long) look into some lives in the PI.

Miss A.

A long time ago I got a text. I didn't remember the name but the notes indicated she stood me up twice, so she was on the ignore list. (They see you sitting there but they're too scared to approach). But it said she was hot, so why not give it another shot. She shows up on time with her half sister, and wao! Indeed, both hot, 18 and 19. Combine the two and I had the girl of my dreams. A, the younger, was very gwapa, but a bit chubby and a big set of lungs. A2 was dark skin, taller, and had the body of a top shelf BKK stripper. This led to a year of great times with both together, and eventually 5 family member. Miss A was supposed to come alone on Valentines Day and I figured ID make her my GF and take good care of her. But suddenly she vanished. No one knew anything.

Miss B.

Meanwhile I met this beauty working 14 hour days in the hot sun for 100 pesos selling used clothes. She'd breathe diesel fumes all day plus walk an hour just to save 16 pesos. 18, a perfect 40 kg package, and I would have loved the chance to keep each other off the street. But she played too hard to get so I gave up.

Finally comes the famous text. "Sam, I have a problem". . She and her best friend were about to become homeless that day if they didn't dig up 1,500 pesos. I believed the story but I was already busy that night. So I quickly brought her to my room just to get her acclimated and have a little "talk". She was a sweet sincere girl, and I decided it was worth the risk, so I gave her the 1. 5. I said this is just a gift Sweetheart, you don't owe me anything. But I hope you will come back. Well, she did come back and it was great. (For me, anyway). She was nervous but I didn't pressure her and in the end she seemed very happy. She left with some additional grocery money and I figured this was the beginning of a great thing. But I was wrong, she vanished too.

A month later I get a text from her best friend (B2). "Oh Sam, you're not like the other poriners, you're so kind and respectful. I realize you're the one I love".

Well, no shit. It's either that or homelessness is looming again. The one I like isn't into it so she sends her friend to do the dirty work. I asked her about her friend but she "didn't know". Well, she did have a beautiful 38 kg body. And I'm a humanitarian anyway, so yes. Also, I was sure it had been a long time since she'd had sex. And if she really digs me like she says, it may be remarkable.

Well, it was remarkable for two reasons. One, she played dead. I figured going down on her would loosen things up. It did a little, and I discovered this stunning, naturally hairless vagina. It was about the size of my little pinky. But it was like licking a potted plant. So I was losing interest fast and was about to call it quits. Then suddenly, her time was up anyway. She had some important business to attend to. Ah ukie, no problem. We were still friends and she didn't leave empty handed. But it wasn't quite the 1,500 I assumed she came for. I wouldn't hear back from her either.

Miss C.

This one was the cherry on the cake for me, she stopped my in my tracks. I found her walking by an open sewage ditch. Extremely poor, 18, cute as can be, and stood about as tall as my dresser. Thick, shiny black hair down to her cute little ass that tasted like chocolate cake. We'd end up spending two years together on and off.

It was very hard to get her out at first. But soon after the shagging began, I indicated that she could easily reach the top limits of my budget. It would have been perfect because I actually loved her. And she and her mother were absolutely broke. She'd dropped out of high school already, and soon her whole village would burn down. She was about to be in a very bad way.

Well, she never made it even close to the top limits of my budget, and I eventually left Davao 5 times. It would be comical if it wasn't so sad. In the end I told her that if she had one peso for every mistake she made with me, she'd be a millionaire. She just wasn't good at playing the part, even though I explained how repeatedly. Instead of shooting high, and equating more effort with more budget, she couldn't grasp the simplest of things. Like remembering to text every day while she still had unli text. Fine. You can only try to treat someone like a lady, you can't force them. I had a great weekly screw, and she had food on the table. But I get it, I suppose if I had a pussy that small, I wouldn't want it stretched out too often either. Only thing that had ever been in there was one filipino kid, and her classmate's tongue. I didn't think she even liked boys.

Finally, others justified more, so my budget had to be re-balanced. There was enough left for her to survive on but, unfortunately, she couldn't even seem to take full advantage of that. So as her financial well being slid to a pittance, so did her health. Serious malnutrition, chronic UTI, ulcers burning out her gut, no electricity, no load. I gave her a hundred chances. I offered to help her with all that and didn't even demand sex in return. All she had to do was get up and come over. I even went and found her a couple times just to help her out. Finally she disappeared completely.

Missing persons: Case solved.

Miss A.

The younger sister that I liked so much, and couldn't get alone, showed up on FB under a new name. She and her sister both have babies now. (Not mine). And now all of a sudden she wants to come to me all the time. She's ready now, and loves me and misses me so much. She's hungry, and the baby is hungry. She don't have work and she wants to be my GF.

Miss B.

I found out they both had been sleeping on the street ever since the friend came to me so many months ago. And now they were both pregnant. Yup. . Sleeping in the rain, and pregnant.

And Miss B, the one I tried so hard to get before, now all of a sudden loved me so much too. Text text every day, wants to be together always, very persistent. After she gave birth, I did go try to help her. It was a terrible mess, she was in an extremely sad situation. Her face looked different and she was super skinny. Living in an open air shelter and suffering horrible stomach pains. (Turned out to be appendix or stones. They would hold her in the public hospital for a week because she didn't have money to pay). She was wearing baggy sweat pants and an old hooded sweater because she sold off her clothes to pay for some useless expensive medicine. I gave her whatever I could afford at the time.

Miss C.

This is the only pregnancy that ever shocked me. From the start she was afraid of being caught up with a baby. "Withdraw withdraw withdraw." And like I said before, I didn't think she even liked boys. Now she was five month, from a "bulshit pinoy". What's particularly disturbing about it is this: Her mother can not even feed either of them, or the rest of the brothers as it is. They live in a squatter camp, and the power is off. That means no refrigerator and no electric fan to keep the mosquitoes off. She frequently skips meals and lost allot of weight. The ulcers are still there that I offered to cure permanently with cabbage juice. (That works, BTW). And the UTI is still there that I offered to cure with pills. She's too short to ever get a job in a department store. And she's too lazy to work in a general junk store, she already tried that. So all that is bad. But what has to be even worse, and what I can not even imagine, is a baby coming out of that perfect tiny vagina. The best one I've ever seen. And what chance does that poor little kid stand. I don't even see her resorting to prostitution, I don't think she's capable.

I'm not taking any pleasure in writing any of that, like some weird kind of revenge. And I'd help any of them if I could. But it's just sad to contrast those choices to what any of them could have had. A loaded phone, a boarding house, health care, nutrition, mother's bills paid, spending money, Samal Island, and sitting at Bon Appetit on a Saturday night.

Dg8787

03-22-16, 20:03

Pute Nut

03-22-16, 20:12

For many chat boards / chat rooms you need Tagalog and be able to understand the slang-pinoy too (the sort they use for texting).

Probably the best known one is https://pinaywalks.com/.

All boards that have chatrooms (like filipino cupid) use this euphemism "going for a walk" too.No, walking was hardly invented in Davao.

It seems pinaywalks now require verification (had an old account just lying around), which just happens to also require a donation of PHP 199 to their admin.

Sam 14

03-22-16, 21:08

Sam 14,

What is the point of your story? That the girls didn't pick you as an option? Which you would have been better for them than starvation, what does that mean?

You have described unthinkable lives. What I don't understand is how you don't have the money to help them. P1500 which would make a major difference in their lives is = $33.33. You couldn't or wouldn't even save one of them?

Tell me more.

Dg8787.I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. I suppose the point was just what I said, a look into the some of the sad choices some of these girls make. Not necessarily not choosing me, but choosing to have a baby. What makes it worse is that I was looking for someone like them. We don't know if they're better off with or without me. They always say "God's will".

I'm on a fixed income DG, and I like to travel when possible. So I don't have a budget to help girls that I'm not involved with. Unless I sell my property. But that would kill my income. I suppose I could go back to work and send money from home. Maybe you could chip in a few? Advance thanks. I did see the last one while she was 5 months pregnant, and I gave her 2 boxes full of stuff and 1,000 peso before I left the country. And the one with appendix, I gave her enough to get out of the hospital. And the very first one, we did have a date set up. But now all of a sudden she was asking for 2,000 pesos. That's what used to make both her and her sister happy. Apparently that baby made her better. But like I wrote DG, I've found someone that deserves the extra money that I set aside each month, and I can not justify taking away from her to give to someone else. Thanks.

Dg8787

03-22-16, 22:01

I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. I suppose the point was just what I said, a look into the some of the sad choices some of these girls make. Not necessarily not choosing me, but choosing to have a baby. What makes it worse is that I really wanted them. We don't know if they're better off with or without me. They always say "God's will".

I'm on a fixed income DG, and I like to travel when possible. So I don't have a budget to help girls that I'm not involved with. Unless I sell my property. But that would kill my income. I suppose I could go back to work and send money from home. Maybe you could chip in a few? Advance thanks. I did see the last one while she was 5 months pregnant, and I gave her 2 boxes full of stuff and 1,000 peso before I left the country. And the one with appendix, I gave her enough to get out of the hospital. And the very first one, we did have a date set up. But now all of a sudden she was asking me for 2,000 pesos. That's what used to make both her and her sister happy. Apparently that baby made her better. But like I wrote DG, I've found someone that deserves the extra money that I set aside each month, and I can not justify taking away from her to give to someone else. Thanks.Sam 14,

I don't mean to be insensitive to your situations, my apology if I have been. I now see you have given what you could have and certainly a higher percentage of your income than most people or probably myself. I have chipped in for special needs too.

They have been taught "God's will" to never have control over their lives and be enslaved to the cycles of poverty. The laws of cause and effect are never taught to them.

Blessings to you sir.

Dg8787.

BrainDrain

03-22-16, 23:00

I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. Thanks for taking the time to share.

Going through my mind was all of the stories that I've heard from the girls too. Unfortunately there is only so much we can do.

I've thought of supporting one or two girls myself. There are so many things that come up that makes it difficult. I know that giving them one off payments, they just payback their loans or do the major expense. Two days later they are no better off.

An ongoing payment over an extended period might help but I don't think they have the needed financial skills to budget. There are barriers to this. Mainly the cost of small international transfers. I could give a girl P50k now, but it would be wasted. Much better to give P4k per month or even better P1k per week

Happy hunting.

BD.

SergeantRay

03-23-16, 00:21

Red Kilt

03-23-16, 01:05

No, walking was hardly invented in Davao.

I most certainly never implied or suggested that Pute Nut. I was replying to another post where he hadn't heard the term "walking" before. I said the term had been used euphemistically for a very long time. The discussion just happened to be on the Davao thread.

Achmmc

03-23-16, 01:12

Sam 14,They have been taught "God's will" .... The laws of cause and effect are never taught to them
Dg8787.That is probably right on the mark, or certainly all to close to the terrible truth of situation in the Philippines.

GoodEnough

03-23-16, 01:35

Sam 14,

Very moving account. As you point out, sometimes money helps but often it's either irrelevant or just another day in Failureville, only this time with a free fish.

One foolish ex-pat set up a girl with free rent for the year and enough money for expenses. But she couldn't stop hooking, and was bringing customers back to the room he had paid for. This last summer she was an emaciated husk--I hear it was TB, and she looked like she was near death. What was tragic was that it didn't have to be like that.The frequency and recurrence of poor decisions, lack of foresight and abysmal living conditions among the more impoverished classes here is appalling, but not new. Given that the Philippines is the only ASEAN country to have reported an increase in poverty over the past ten years likely indicates that the problem is getting ever worse. The amalgamation of extraordinary poverty, malnutrition, poor education and desperation culminates, in part, in woeful levels of ignorance. These ladies, amd their families are the victims of indifferent and thoroughly corrupt governments and a feudal system that relentlessly exploits the poor. This doesn't mean that the inability to foresee outcomes of poor decisions should be conflated with stupidity. However, it's unsurprising that poor Filipinos are forced, through dire necessity to focus only on meeting their needs in the immediate present, on surviving today before worrying about tomorrow.

To paraphrase James Hamilton-Patterson, despair has persisted for so long that it's become part of the cultural genome.

GE.

Pute Nut

03-23-16, 02:08

I most certainly never implied or suggested that Pute Nut. I was replying to another post where he hadn't heard the term "walking" before. I said the term had been used euphemistically for a very long time. The discussion just happened to be on the Davao thread.RK, did you, by any chance, notice the leading "no"? In this case it implies agreement with the previous poster as in "you are right, walking (as used here) was not invented in Davao". Which, in hindsight, may be a better wording. English is not my mother tongue.

I was, of course, aware of the previous exchange with regards to the use of walking as an euphemism for SW.

Anyway, the reason for my comment was that I merely wanted to add that pinaywalks is now a paysite that wants your money (and details).

Cbea20

03-23-16, 14:26

In my humble opinion, there are at least two lessons here. (1) Every pretty girl already has a boyfriend. Ok, never mind "pretty". At best, she is "in between" BFs. The girls who disappear, who get pregnant--keep this rule in mind. You are not the only man in her world.

(2) In most cases, there's no point in giving money, except as payment of course. You can give a filipina any amount, and in three days it will be gone, with nothing to show for it. Not even a sack of rice in the kitchen. And she won't know what became of it. Very likely, others have "borrowed" it from her. Maybe the boyfriend. If you really care, go the extra mile. Do the shopping. Make sure the groceries get home. Take her to the clinic, talk with the doctor, fill the prescription yourself. Mother in the hospital? Go visit, find out the truth of the situation. Money for tuition? Go to the bank and get a manager's check, made out to the school. (Your name will not appear on it.).

The frequency and recurrence of poor decisions, lack of foresight and abysmal living conditions among the more impoverished classes here is appalling, but not new. Given that the Philippines is the only ASEAN country to have reported an increase in poverty over the past ten years likely indicates that the problem is getting ever worse. The amalgamation of extraordinary poverty, malnutrition, poor education and desperation culminates, in part, in woeful levels of ignorance. These ladies, amd their families are the victims of indifferent and thoroughly corrupt governments and a feudal system that relentlessly exploits the poor. This doesn't mean that the inability to foresee outcomes of poor decisions should be conflated with stupidity. However, it's unsurprising that poor Filipinos are forced, through dire necessity to focus only on meeting their needs in the immediate present, on surviving today before worrying about tomorrow.

To paraphrase James Hamilton-Patterson, despair has persisted for so long that it's become part of the cultural genome.

GE.

I don't know DG, good question, thanks. I was kinda asking myself why I should bother sharing the story. I suppose the point was just what I said, a look into the some of the sad choices some of these girls make. Not necessarily not choosing me, but choosing to have a baby. What makes it worse is that I was looking for someone like them. We don't know if they're better off with or without me. They always say "God's will".

I'm on a fixed income DG, and I like to travel when possible. So I don't have a budget to help girls that I'm not involved with. Unless I sell my property. But that would kill my income. I suppose I could go back to work and send money from home. Maybe you could chip in a few? Advance thanks. I did see the last one while she was 5 months pregnant, and I gave her 2 boxes full of stuff and 1,000 peso before I left the country. And the one with appendix, I gave her enough to get out of the hospital. And the very first one, we did have a date set up. But now all of a sudden she was asking for 2,000 pesos. That's what used to make both her and her sister happy. Apparently that baby made her better. But like I wrote DG, I've found someone that deserves the extra money that I set aside each month, and I can not justify taking away from her to give to someone else. Thanks.

Member #4491

03-23-16, 15:27

Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right? The feeling of not accomplishing anything for not having done something "productive", is just an opinion.

I remember when the girlfriend of my friend resigned from her little shit hole selling ice cream. She wanted to spend more time with family and friends. Now how great is that? She is still alive by the way. Asking men for money. Hustling.

I have sponsored several "girlfriends" to an education over the year, and in all cases it amounted to just about nothing. The second latest, miss Teen Big Tit, ditched all ambitions and became the second wife to a Muslim teacher. The last in the line just doped out of school to do nothing.

It has been like this with all of them, but during the ride they where happy and I felt like I made a change. This is one of those occasion where the intention matters more than the outcome, to me.

I give money because it makes me feel good. Like I am sharing what I was fortunate to get in life. I was lucky in the birth lottery. My country is among the ones having a ball grip on the third world. So a minute of my time amounts to a day of others. There is no real logical reason for this inequality on a personal level.

So I learned to no harbor any opinions about how my donation are spent. What is happiness?

Karma is now.

Barba

Dg8787

03-23-16, 22:08

PolyOrchid

03-23-16, 23:25

Well said, Barba. When I think of the joy, pleasure, and memorable experiences I have had with these girls around the world, I am a very rich man. And to be stingy with any of them is truly unforgivable for me. But, to each his own.

I love this, "It is all in our heads, right?" Good to remember everywhere in life.

Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right?......
I give money because it makes me feel good. Like I am sharing what I was fortunate to get in life. I was lucky in the birth lottery. My country is among the ones having a ball grip on the third world. So a minute of my time amounts to a day of others. There is no real logical reason for this inequality on a personal level.

Karma is now.

Barba

Soapy Smith

03-24-16, 05:01

Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right? The feeling of not accomplishing anything for not having done something "productive", is just an opinion. BarbaAnd, it's an opinion based on Western assumptions about "success" and "progress" and some Protestant Ethic about sobriety, hard work, discipline and frugality. The Phils forum has been dominated by mudslinging lately, so your comments gave me--and obviously a couple others--something to smile about for a change. Welcome back to the Philippines, Barba.

Member #4491

03-24-16, 12:04

Thanks, Soapy, Poly and DG (sound like the characters of a bad criminal series LOL. Like Hunter and Dee Dee Mcall). It always gives me hope when sharing and caring is chosen before the capitalistic greed grinder. Not the least when I can do such a choice myself.

Caring for our karma feels naturally good, and we do not have to argue so much about that way with ourselves. No life long capitalistic training or arguing on ISG needed for that instant feeling of doing the right thing. So probably the right way for us all to walk, in the long run. We can not bring anything where we are going, but our deeds lives on, and it feels good to do some good sometimes.

Many times I think the cynicism when it comes to giving girls money comes from a feeling of poverty. Of not having enough. Or getting enough. We sometimes read statements from grown up and proud men that trick young girls to have sex with them to save a dollar. Or to imagine they are still young and handsome. We have probably all visited that swamp of ego at some point. The false feeling of "not having or getting enough" is unfortunately prevalent in humans. This feeling is a bit like Sarimner (English incorrect spelling due to demand for not using non English letters), the pig / goat of Valhalla. Even if we kill it in the afternoon by clinging on to a few pennies or doing something "smart", it will be there the next day when we wake up again. Unless we choose to change our minds and see what we actually have been blessed with. Bodhidharma really nailed it IMHO:

"The ignorant mind, with its infinite afflictions, passions, and evils, is rooted in the three poisons. Greed, anger, and delusion."

I sound like one of those religious / ultra socialistic know it all guys now, but I swear I am not. Just a normal guy that is trying to reprogram his mindset from what he was brainwashed to want for, to something more realistic and holistic.

Soapy, I am back in April again. I come every third or forth month, since almost ten years. I know I will meet some of my ISG buddies there, and will always be glad to meet new mates if anyone is around.

All the best!

Barba

Sam 14

03-25-16, 16:07

You can give a filipina any amount, and in three days it will be gone, with nothing to show for it. Not even a sack of rice in the kitchen. And she won't know what became of it. <Snip> If you really care, go the extra mile. Do the shopping. Make sure the groceries get home. Take her to the clinic, talk with the doctor, fill the prescription yourself. Mother in the hospital? Go visit, find out the truth of the situation. Money for tuition? Go to the bank and get a manager's check, made out to the school.

Or you can just share some of your money and let the girl do whatever she wants with it. It is all in our heads, right? <Snip> So I learned to no harbor any opinions about how my donation are spent. What is happiness? Good points. If we no longer think of what can be good for others, and how other's benefit could also enhance ourselves, then maybe it's time for an inner look at our spiritual self, right?

There must be a balance between being generous, but not over paying for something that's not worth it. Living within our means, but still helping others. Random acts of kindness, but not being foolish with our hard earned money.

Do you not give the kid on the street a few pesos because it only encourages begging, and he'll probably just buy candy or a smoke? Or do you do it anyway, thinking it will make his life a tiny bit better for a minute? A friend of mine tipped the waiter $300 USD because he used to a bartender and liked the tips. But he's in debt in his business and his house.

I give each of my girls about the equivalent of what they'd make working a basic job. One of them has no food or money, so I give her small bits of cash, and she does whatever she wants with it. One already has a roof over her head and food. So I get her stuff that she would otherwise never buy if the money just landed in her lap. So she's probably the only one in her barangay getting lightning speed 4G (11 mbs), while I can't even stream a fucking video. I could get the pussy for cheaper, but I feel like I'd be sex shoplifting, as the late D33 used to put it. So that's my balance. I sacrifice a little but it's still win win.

Sam 14

04-01-16, 10:42

If anyone's thinking about a romantic getaway to Samal, you may want to postpone for awhile. If you haven't heard, the island has been without power (hence running water) for three weeks now. A ship must have drug up the cables.

Sharka

04-02-16, 03:43

I could give a girl P50k now, but it would be wasted. Much better to give P4k per month or even better P1k per week

BD.To take it one step further. Never sent any girls any money no matter how small. Only if you are actually living in PI (or any other country for that matter) and the girl is always with you or living with you, then I could see giving her a small allowance spending money for her to buy a few things she needs, like cosmetics or clothes. And don't be shy about asking her or showing you what she's been buying with the money you gave her as this would hold her accountable.

I've been to many bars and bar fined many girls that once I gotten to know them have told me they are in a current relationship with a foreigner and have WU support every 2 weeks.

Like BT Barnum said in his famous line " there's a sucker born every minute".

Cheers.

Member #4491

04-02-16, 19:41

Like BT Barnum said in his famous line " there's a sucker born every minute".And at least one cynic to go with that sucker.

With all respect for every man's right to make what he believes to be clever life decisions, I wish there where more suckers ans less cynics on this little blue piece of dust, floating in universe.

Peace!

Barba

Dg8787

04-03-16, 03:55

And at least one cynic to go with that sucker.

With all respect for every man's right to make what he believes to be clever life decisions, I wish there where more suckers ans less cynics on this little blue piece of dust, floating in universe.

Peace!

BarbaPretty soon they will be telling you how to f*ck with your own dick!

GoodEnough

04-15-16, 04:59

For those pondering a trip here in the near future, I'd advise you to reconsider, unless you're willing to cope with rotating blackouts of 5 hours a day. The situation seems to worsen day by day, and the same pattern, to a greater or lesser extent, is recurring throughout Mindanao.

The lame excuses provided by the government vary. The truth however, El Nio notwithstanding is that the hydroelectric plants on which most of the region depend, haven't been maintained for decades if ever, evoking the larger, if unspoken truth that that national government--incompetent and venal as it is--remains indifferent to the development of Mindanao. People here are angry, and becoming angrier by the day. And that pent-up anger may, in the event that Duterte is denied the presidency, erupt. During more than a decade of living in Mindanao, I've never seen people this angry and fed up.

Regardless of the possible longer-term consequences of the growing civil unrest, the fact is that it's simply uncomfortable to live without electricity, and perhaps worse than uncomfortable if one happens to be trapped in an elevator at the moment that the power dies. True, most of the larger hotels such as the Marco Polo, the Park Inn and Seda have generators, but I'm not sure if they're sufficient in all cases, to permit continued operation of all hotel services including air conditioning.

No facilities, including the Mayor's office are spared. In the better malls, generators take over the lighting and computer and credit card facilities, but the air comditioning, the escalators and elevators immediately cease functioning.

GE.

WestCoast1

04-15-16, 06:49

No facilities, including the Mayor's office are spared. In the better malls, generators take over the lighting and computer and credit card facilities, but the air comditioning, the escalators and elevators immediately cease functioning. So that's called: Tuesday?

Sam 14

04-15-16, 19:38

People here are angry, and becoming angrier by the day. Yes, they are GE. And allot of them are sleepy too. I ask some of the workers how was their sleep last night. They didn't sleep because it was too hot in their little boarding house with no electric fan. So they're up all night fanning themselves, then they have to go work at their job all day and hope it's not sweltering there too.

GoodEnough

04-15-16, 23:50

Yes, they are GE. And allot of them are sleepy too. I ask some of the workers how was their sleep last night. They didn't sleep because it was too hot in their little boarding house with no electric fan. So they're up all night fanning themselves, then they have to go work at their job all day and hope it's not sweltering there too.Very true. A couple of days ago, I was speaking with a local businessman who told me that those working for him have very low energy after coping with the loss of power, so their productivity is low. I'm still somewhat amazed, coven after all these years, at the total indifference of the government.

LaserNut

04-17-16, 04:33

Wjmpsr

04-25-16, 19:54

A Canadian man held captive by Islamist militants for months in the Philippines has been killed, Canadian media confirm.

John Ridsdel was taken from a tourist resort along with three others by the Abu Sayyaf group in September last year.

A friend, the former MP Bob Rae, was among those who confirmed the death.

On Monday a severed head was found on a remote Philippine island, hours after an Abu Sayyaf ransom deadline expired.

The Philippine army has not been confirmed if it belonged to one of the captives.

Dg8787

04-26-16, 05:41

Dg8787

04-26-16, 05:49

Reported today, April 26,2016 in newspapers NPA release 5 captured Davao PNP officers to Duterte. The released officers were wearing white t-shirts with P. O. W. And prisoner of war printed on them. They were abducted 10 days ago on April 16.

Johnnyok

04-26-16, 07:26

WestCoast1

04-26-16, 13:59

As of today, April 26,2016 there has not been any reports of this in Philippine newspapers. What was reported was that there was a deadline of April 25th to pay a ransom or they would behead one hostage.Headline: Trudeau condemns 'cold-blooded murder' of Canadian in Philippines:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138936/trudeau-condemns-cold-blooded-murder-of-canadian-in-ph.

Headline: Head of 'Abu Sayyaf captive' dumped on Sulu street police:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138928/head-of-abu-sayyaf-captive-dumped-on-sulu-street-police.

Red Kilt

04-26-16, 14:45

Headline: Trudeau condemns 'cold-blooded murder' of Canadian in Philippines:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138936/trudeau-condemns-cold-blooded-murder-of-canadian-in-ph.

Headline: Head of 'Abu Sayyaf captive' dumped on Sulu street police:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/138928/head-of-abu-sayyaf-captive-dumped-on-sulu-street-police.The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.

GoodEnough

04-26-16, 22:12

I feel sorry for his family, RIP.

I just hope all that kinda stuff fades away before I get to Davao for the festival in Aug, And they sort out them power blackouts. The world is truly gone crazy.As RK has pointed out, the barbarity occurred somewhere in Sulu, which is quite far from Davao and is no place foreigners are likely to go. And the kidnapping itself didn't occur in Davao, but on Samal, which is close, but another island and another province. Davao remains safe and that situation isn't likely to change.

I returned to Davao from Manila on Saturday and until Tuesday afternoon hadn't experienced any power interruptions. There was a brownout yesterday that lasted for approximately 40 minutes. My guess is that whatever work that was being undertaken on the new coal plant has been just about completed.

GE.

X Man

04-26-16, 23:38

But it would be a shame to visit Davao and not get to visit the beaches at Samal. At it's nearest point it is only one kilometer from Davao city. If I'm not mistaken, the abduction took place at the north part of the island in a relatively remote location.

The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.

Wjmpsr

04-29-16, 14:09

The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.Which would be the appropriate thread for this topic, Philippine politics and economics, other areas? I am serious, please advise.

Global Glazer

04-29-16, 15:54

I love Davao. I was just there in February and never felt like I was in danger anywhere I went. I stayed in two different hotels: Bagobo House and Green Window Dormitel.

Girls are very accessible in Davao. Evenings have a nice selection walking the streets and the price is right. On a previous trip, I was able to walk right out the door of Casa Leticia (another nice, but more expensive hotel) and within two blocks I found a sweetie to give me a BBBJ and COF for 1000 p, plus a 200 p tip. She even let me take pictures of her sitting there with my jizz on her face.

This time, I set everything up ahead of time through online dating sites. I make sure that I discussed my sexual likes and dislikes with all the girls I chatting online with them, so there was no surprise that I want sex when we got back to my room. I made no promises other than that I would meet them and treat them to lunch / coffee / dinner or shopping and then it was time to go back to the room and pay-up. Worked out great. I had three nights in Davao and three different successes. Filipinos, by and large, are pretty open to getting fucked by a foreigner after at most the second date. But, I also very much respect if they say no. Then, that's just my bad luck.

As for the Samal Island abduction, it was very unusual and, just like the abduction from Palawan a while back, was a huge reach for the Abu Sayaf Group. I basically avoid the western peninsula of Mindanao, but otherwise I feel safe in any populated area in Mindanao.

Member #4491

05-19-16, 23:35

although across a decent stretch of waterExactly 12 minutes by the painfully slow and inefficient Sasa-Babak ferry.

I think it is important to remember why these unfortunate men where targeted. They where not random targets.

I was on Samal, actually riding by the resort, more or less when it happened. In addition to me and my buddy on bikes, many other white dudes where roaming Samal that day and any other given day. I have mates who live there. Not sure of the population but with the Russian fruit eaters in the south it must be hundreds of other white men and women living or visiting Samal.

There are so many "resorts" on Samal and I just try to avoid the crowded ones (more than one reason to do that by the way). Pick a place without so many white faces and stay sober. Beheaded by misguided Muslims is not a nice way to go, but neither is "crushed by big bus while saving money in Thai tourist van" on my top five list of departing.

https://asiancorrespondent.com/2015/03/thailand-road-deaths/

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Why The Face

05-25-16, 07:36

Last week I spent 6 days in Davao City and I am here to confirm the city is safe. Venturing 1 hour or more to the North or South is not (I was told the South only was unsafe but after arriving I was told ISIS is within a couple of hours in either direction). The new president has control of that place and the people fear him which is good for us foreigners. If you are not familiar with Duterte do a google search and you will see why they respect him. I went to every mall and social area in Davao City. I went to strip clubs / bars, KTV's, as well as walking around San Pedro street.

The strip clubs in Davao City are garbage and dirty. The majority are located on San Pedro street within 2 blocks of My Hotel (yes that's the name of it). If you want to troll the street scene I would stay here or nearby. This area is not the greatest but safe nonetheless even at night. SW's are available near the parks in front of the city hall / council. Just hang around starting around 10 p. There is mix of normal girls and SW's. The later it gets, the percentage of SW's goes up. After midnight is ideal. There are about 4 bars / strip clubs in this area with Hot Legs 2 San Pedro being the main place. Each time I went there were about 15-20 girls. One of the girls said there are 30-40 girls that work there but I never saw this many. 120 pesos for beer. 300 pesos girl drinks. 2500 barfine ST plus 1 girl drink. 3500 TLN plus 3 girl drinks. Who would want TLN with these girls? Not me. I barfined 1 girl ST and took 1 SW and both were dead lays lasting about 10-15 minutes. Avoid the strip clubs / bars altogether I recommend. Be patient and wait for a nice, sweeter SW. The ones that have too much experience are bait and switch and this true almost everywhere with SW's. Afterward I realized my error, as I should have known better, but the girl had my look and it was late and I wanted something. Better to be patient in the park and make sure something clicks a little first. The other bars near HL2 were total crap with 2-5 girls and they were all unattractive.

The KTV's in Davao have some potential. The Blue Opera is located between The Grand Regal hotel and The Days Inn / Radisson. It's name has changed but I can't remember to what? It is walking distance from The Grand Regal but a little bit of a walk. BTW all taxis in Davao are metered (and cheap) and I was never ripped off. Ask the taxis about other KTV's. There at least 5 of them or more in Davao City. The KTV's basically work like this. You walk in and buy a drink. About 120 pesos. Then the boss gets all of the girls to line up. It is like a massage parlor presentation on a stage. They just stand up there and it isn't social. You pick one, have her sit down, the rest leave, and you can buy her a drink (300 pesos). You are required to buy her a drink every hour or so as this was what I was told. There is a VIP Room that cost 1000 k (if I can remember correctly) where you can touch but no sex (I think). Maybe someone has more experience with these places and can explain the process better. Look to barfine or move on. Barfine was 2.5 k-3 k ST and the girls are required to return before closing time (or at least that is what they said) unless the return time is after closing time. 1 k more for TLN plus 2 more lady drinks is required (or so I was told). There were low mileage girls to be had in the KTV's with natural attitudes. Many were students and had recently worked normal jobs. The essence of some of the girls were very nice unlike the bars / strip club girls and SW's.

My recommendation for Davao city is don't go there for mongering. There is nothing to do (at all) and life is full of errors which is common in The Third World. A storm came through one night and the internet stopped working as well. These two things amplify each other and the place gets boring and intolerable real quick.

I saw a bunch of relationship quality women in Davao. One woman, who was about 28 years old, especially caught my eye at a travel agency. I would have dated her for a serious relationship (which is what I want) if we were in another place. I see the big picture and there was no future there or anywhere else in The Philippines for me (sadly to say). At minimum, I would have had to spend time in Davao (developing the relationship) in the beginning as well as returning there to visit here family in the future. Davao and Palawan were my target cities for finding a place to live and be in a serious, committed relationship. After Davao I realized The Philippines was not going to work. I decided against traveling to Palawan and Cebu after visiting Davao City, cutting my trip to the Philippines shorter than was expected. I don't mind the dirty, naked children or the trash on the ground. I found the mental poverty intolerable and saw many parallels to the dysfunction I experienced in Medellin, Colombia.

I hope my reports help some of you guys. Good luck to you all!

Fslag338

05-26-16, 09:21

I agree with the mental poverty. That starts with the education system which is on a (very) low level and (like other Asian education systems that I know a little about) doesn't try to evoke curiosity nor challenge the mind. If you combine that with a high jobless rate, very low income. Boredom strikes. The proverb about people sleeping so much because they have nothing better to do is so true.

One remark: you might have given up too soon. Certain areas of Manila, Cebu and other places like Bacolod have substantially higher income levels. Better uni's. A better infrastructure and, most importantly, a large number of professionals which are totally incomparable to the people you might have met while being in Davao.

Member #4491

05-26-16, 22:28

There is a VIP Room that cost 1000 k (if I can remember correctly) where you can touch but no sex (I think). Good report.

I did not spend a lot of time in the non family KTVs, but got hammered a couple of times with mates and fucked in the toilet of the VIP. Build some chemistry and then negotiate with the lady.

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BeersTerry

05-31-16, 02:30

The sex was mostly pedestrian BUT the scene was fresh. If you like student types that are relatively inexperienced, young and pretty you could live for a couple of weeks at the Blue KTV. It was a 47 php ride to the Grand Regal Hotel.

One girl insisted on being FB friends. Good thing that even with my name, I am hard to find. The girl posted herself and her little sister and brother eating ice cream, I guess with the few pesos now in her pocket. Girls are very sweet.

Amavida

06-01-16, 12:54

The hostages were being held in Sulu Archipelago which is a long way from Davao. The head was found in Sulu.

Although they were originally abducted from Samal Island which is near Davao (although across a decent stretch of water), they were then taken to Sulu where the Abu Sayyaf has a stronghold.

It might be a bit misleading to discuss this on the Davao thread unless readers know their geography. You're not likely to get beheaded in downtown Davao.With the very greatest of respect to both yourself & GE, Samal Is is very uncomfortably close to Davao for an abduction, even if the beheading was performed in Sulu.

With increasing foreigner numbers in Dipolog I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before they hit Dakak.

Not comfortable with this at all.

AV.

Red Kilt

06-02-16, 04:39

With the very greatest of respect to both yourself & GE, Samal Is is very uncomfortably close to Davao for an abduction, even if the beheading was performed in Sulu.
Again, with due respect AV, the post that you quoted is now relatively old and has been superseded by up-dated information that shows the perpetrators of the abduction carefully targeted their prospects because of unexplained activity.

It wasn't a random snatching.

I'd still maintain that you're relatively safe in Dakak and even Samal if you lie low and don't do anything to draw attention to yourself or upset the locals (or anyone else).

I am cautious in my pronouncements because the chance of random criminality can occur anywhere and especially in the Phils.

GoodEnough

06-02-16, 06:24

With the very greatest of respect to both yourself & GE, Samal Is is very uncomfortably close to Davao for an abduction, even if the beheading was performed in Sulu.

With increasing foreigner numbers in Dipolog I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before they hit Dakak.

Not comfortable with this at all.

AV.As RK has said, making predictions about what may occur here is risky as situations, relationships and political realities change day to day. My best guess is that the threats posed by the NPA and the radical Islamicists will abate, at least for a while for two reasons: one because Duterte has established reasonable lines of communications with these groups and two, because the proposed Federal model would provide the Muslim populations of Mindanao with far greater autonomy than they now enjoy. So at the very least, I think that the insurgent groups will wait to see what happens.

This is not to totally discount AV's concerns, which reflect a sense of heightened, more pervasive violence. I'm hoping, and indeed I expect, that the opposite will prove true.

GE.

BeersTerry

06-04-16, 16:10

I accidently toured Samal Island. On the way over, I was told this is where the kidnapping was but don't worry, there is heightened security. When there, I did not find a single cop nor soldier.

Samal Island was kind of a shithole too. Ya a few beach resorts but nothing much else.

The kidnapped Canadian was a mining executive. From what I have seen, those guys are targets all over the third world.

Governments won't pay but mining companies often do.

X Man

06-05-16, 15:03

It's been a long while since I've been to Davao / Samal Island. An online friend tells me that the rolling blackouts have stopped. Is that true?

GoodEnough

06-05-16, 22:49

It's been a long while since I've been to Davao / Samal Island. An online friend tells me that the rolling blackouts have stopped. Is that true?Yes X it's true.

Amavida

06-06-16, 14:42

Again, with due respect AV, the post that you quoted is now relatively old and has been superseded by up-dated information that shows the perpetrators of the abduction carefully targeted their prospects because of unexplained activity.

It wasn't a random snatching.

I'd still maintain that you're relatively safe in Dakak and even Samal if you lie low and don't do anything to draw attention to yourself or upset the locals (or anyone else).

I am cautious in my pronouncements because the chance of random criminality can occur anywhere and especially in the Phils.Understood RK.

I built a nice chill out home by the sea along the coast between Sindangan & Dipolog years ago & had been feeling increasingly safer in the general area from when I first arrived 10 years ago. Cops in the area no longer walk around ready to fight a war heavily armed with assault weapons etc.

Not so long ago a neighbor was decapitated.

This is not a normal event for that area in my experience.

I'm not panicking but my spidey sense tells me the rebel groups are demonstrating increased freedom of operations.

I loved my bolt hole far from girlfriends & the stress of business but I've survived this long using good opsec & common sense so avoiding visits there now. Darn shame really.

Time will tell.

AV.

Amavida

06-06-16, 14:54

As RK has said, making predictions about what may occur here is risky as situations, relationships and political realities change day to day. My best guess is that the threats posed by the NPA and the radical Islamicists will abate, at least for a while for two reasons: one because Duterte has established reasonable lines of communications with these groups and two, because the proposed Federal model would provide the Muslim populations of Mindanao with far greater autonomy than they now enjoy. So at the very least, I think that the insurgent groups will wait to see what happens.

This is not to totally discount AV's concerns, which reflect a sense of heightened, more pervasive violence. I'm hoping, and indeed I expect, that the opposite will prove true.

GE.I hope you're right GE.

As we both know, the lines between political violence & criminal violence are always blurred.

We all hold our breaths waiting to see what this presidency really brings.

Meanwhile I advise & practice increased caution.

Cheers.

AV.

Screaming Beaver

06-26-16, 13:44

Hopefully DS had registered his kids with the USA Embassy and obtained passports for them as USA Citizens prior to his passing.
Unfortunately none of the above was ever done, and so the kids, all start from scratch..I cannot imagine siring several children in a third world country and not having the foresight of seeing to it that they are taken care of once I'm gone. We all make decisions in life and after reading about this I'm damn glad I got a vasectomy. Let this be a lesson to any mongers who have no concern about spraying their load into multiple beavers with no worries about the repercussions. The future of these little bastards is not bright.

Mahku

07-03-16, 05:05

This place is the former site of a place called Station 91. It's a sort of amphitheater-style live band bar. It has a dance floor that gets packed with writing bodies, thankfully the majority of them female. I already had a date but I saw lots of girl-only tables with phone numbers being exchanged with nearby guys. It's worth checking out. It's on the same street as the Marco Polo, in the direction of Rizal Street.

Dg8787

07-03-16, 07:06

I cannot imagine siring several children in a third world country and not having the foresight of seeing to it that they are taken care of once I'm gone. We all make decisions in life and after reading about this I'm damn glad I got a vasectomy. Let this be a lesson to any mongers who have no concern about spraying their load into multiple beavers with no worries about the repercussions. The future of these little bastards is not bright.Any more news on DS sired children?

X Man

07-03-16, 13:55

Thanks Mahku, I've always been interested in "writing" bodies. Writing and writhing may be even more interesting. Could you please be more specific about the location.

This place is the former site of a place called Station 91. It's a sort of amphitheater-style live band bar. It has a dance floor that gets packed with writing bodies, thankfully the majority of them female. I already had a date but I saw lots of girl-only tables with phone numbers being exchanged with nearby guys. It's worth checking out. It's on the same street as the Marco Polo, in the direction of Rizal Street.

Mahku

07-04-16, 11:48

Thanks Mahku, I've always been interested in "writing" bodies. Writing and writhing may be even more interesting. Could you please be more specific about the location.Whoa, that'll teach me to try and tap out reports on my phone rather than using a proper keyboard! Damn autocorrect. Sorry about that X.

Suplados (sometimes spelled Supladoz or Supladohs) is on see. M. Recto Street, which is the street that goes past the Marco Polo and on to Gaisano Mall. The name of the street changes to Laurel in that direction. But Suplados is the other way. From the Marco Polo turn right out the gate and turn right onto Recto. Go about 400-500 meters and it's on the right, same side as the Marco.

X Man

07-04-16, 12:08

Thanks for the directions. I've been told that the DV rolling blackouts are no longer a problem. I'd love to visit Davao again.

Whoa, that'll teach me to try and tap out reports on my phone rather than using a proper keyboard! Damn autocorrect. Sorry about that X.

Suplados (sometimes spelled Supladoz or Supladohs) is on see. M. Recto Street, which is the street that goes past the Marco Polo and on to Gaisano Mall. The name of the street changes to Laurel in that direction. But Suplados is the other way. From the Marco Polo turn right out the gate and turn right onto Recto. Go about 400-500 meters and it's on the right, same side as the Marco.

Mahku

07-04-16, 12:41

I just finished 10 days there and didn't see a single blackout.

Slippery

07-04-16, 14:04

USA charge is $600 to register a foreign child born of an American citizen. Where are those people going to get that kind of money and then jump through other financial hoops too? Then there are the ostensibly simple hoops like satisfactory documentation of parentage.

GoodEnough

09-03-16, 03:19

Red Kilt

09-03-16, 04:16

Dg8787

09-03-16, 07:01

Abu Sayyaf has now claimed responsibility for the bombing.

A further case of filipinos targeting other filipinos, especially since it was in a local street market.

Unlikely to be many (if any) foreigners there at any time.Muslim terrorists.

Muslim terrorists.

Muslim terrorists.

They don't care who they kill or maim, Filipinos or non-Filipinos. Specifically targeting Davao City to send a message. The bastards need to be irradiated from earth.

Sam 14

09-03-16, 09:32

<Snip> The most rife speculation is that it was engineered by the Abu Sayyaf in retaliation for a huge deployment of Philippine Army troops to Sulu, sent there to eliminate this terrorist organization.

<Snip> The bastards need to be irradiated from earth.Great. . The perpetual motion terror machine has made its way into Davao.

Amanut

09-05-16, 01:33

Surprised not to see anything on the board about the bomb that killed 12 and injured about 60 people last night in Davao. The attack, if that's what it was, occurred around the corner from Ateneo University and very close to the Marco Polo. The most rife speculation is that it was engineered by the Abu Sayyaf in retaliation for a huge deployment of Philippine Army troops to Sulu, sent there to eliminate this terrorist organization. The Army has evidently established a ubiquitous presence, and a series of checkpoints has been established.

I'm in Manila at the moment and was intending to return to Davao this afternoon, but have postponed the trip for a day in hopes that road travel there, once I arrive, will be a bit quicker than it is today.

GE.I was contemplating coming back in a month or so. Frankly I am thinking there may be less issues meeting my DIA contacts in Vietnam. I love the Philippines but think it is only a short time until foreigners will be fair game even though I am sure PNP would never plant drugs and guns.

It is a bit of an unsettling decision for us who are considering a visit vs those who choose to live in the Philippines.

Please keep us updated and thank you.

GoodEnough

09-05-16, 03:38

I was contemplating coming back in a month or so. Frankly I am thinking there may be less issues meeting my DIA contacts in Vietnam. I love the Philippines but think it is only a short time until foreigners will be fair game even though I am sure PNP would never plant drugs and guns.

It is a bit of an unsettling decision for us who are considering a visit vs those who choose to live in the Philippines.

Please keep us updated and thank you.Davao remains calm and its people are not living in fear. Rather, they're angry, fully support the President's efforts to exterminate the threat and refuse to alllow the tragedy to govern their lives. I have no concern, as a foreigner, that I'll be singled out for anything.

GE.

Wicked Roger

09-05-16, 04:46

I was contemplating coming back in a month or so. Frankly I am thinking there may be less issues meeting my DIA contacts in Vietnam. I love the Philippines but think it is only a short time until foreigners will be fair game even though I am sure PNP would never plant drugs and guns.

It is a bit of an unsettling decision for us who are considering a visit vs those who choose to live in the Philippines.

Please keep us updated and thank you.Each to their own Amanut but as GE I have no fear for my safety and I have been to far worse places than the Philippines where I would see burning cars, some bodies and lots of angry people at the time. The Philippines is very calm compared with that for instance. If you have nothing to worry about then why be concerned? Living in Europe now could be considered more dangerous than the Philippines IMHO and as for the USA with the gun violence never ending, many would say don't go there either.

Each has his own view and the Philippines remains very nice and safe IMHO.

Sam 14

09-05-16, 07:27

GE. I'm glad to know you nor any of your friends were in the area. And I'm glad the city is calm and not living in fear. I'm not afraid either, to me it's just luck of the draw if I were to get it like that. I was planning a visit to Tacloban but I decided not to, then the typhoon hit. I go to Roxas at night all the time but I wasn't there that night.

I'm in no way taking sides here, I don't know enough about Filipinos or Philippine politics to even have an opinion. And this is not to dispute anything you've written, and I'm not even in Davao so I wouldn't know the feelings on the street. But I know at least one person that feels like this. She is among the poorest of the community and lives a bit outside of city proper. Her mother is a vendor at the food market: "Am not going to church today I'm scared. I'll go tomorrow na Sam. Becuz Sam they planned to bomb anywhere. Like down town, church, market, where those people stock in,. I'm worried to my mother. As I heard Sam, when they attending meeting with duterte, then duterte said to abusayaf if they are willing to fight, they will fight too. Many innocent people be affected, becuz of dutertes mouth".

So that's just one opinion, and I don't know where she gets her information. I hope she's wrong.

GoodEnough

09-05-16, 21:53

Each to their own Amanut but as GE I have no fear for my safety and I have been to far worse places than the Philippines where I would see burning cars, some bodies and lots of angry people at the time. The Philippines is very calm compared with that for instance. If you have nothing to worry about then why be concerned? Living in Europe now could be considered more dangerous than the Philippines IMHO and as for the USA with the gun violence never ending, many would say don't go there either.

Each has his own view and the Philippines remains very nice and safe IMHO.We are living in a period that's unique, at least in our lifetime, during which Western values--largely Judeo-Christian--are under attack world wide. Within that context this country, overwhelmingly Christian, is not different from France, the US and Western European countries in the eyes of radical Islamicists. There's little difference in intent between slaughtering innocents in a Paris nightclub and bombing innocents in a Davao market. Given that similarity, I believe WR is correct; the Philippines is surely no more dangerous than France.

The major difference here is that the Philippines' Government can identify the location of the fanatics and is going after them relentlessly. I believe that in the long run, perhaps with assistance from its allies, this government will succeed in eliminating the threat. The Abu Sayyaf has been murdering and kidnapping innocent citizens for years, and prior governments have allowed this terrorist group to continue its activities unimpeded. This government has decided to take the fight to the insurgents.

There's little doubt that the situation here, as in France, the US and other countries, will be more fraught with tension than usual. However the population strongly supports the actions of the government, and likewise strongly supports the military and police in their collective effort to eliminate the Abu Sayyaf. The choice here as elesewhere for the country's population is to cower in fear, or to try to live normal--if somewhat more wary--daily lives. I believe that most have chosen the latter.

GE.

Golfinho

09-05-16, 22:08

We are living in a period that's unique, at least in our lifetime, during which Western values--largely Judeo-Christian--are under attack world wide. Within that context this country, overwhelmingly Christian, is not different from France, the US and Western European countries in the eyes of radical Islamicists. There's little difference in intent between slaughtering innocents in a Paris nightclub and bombing innocents in a Davao market...With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.

GoodEnough

09-06-16, 01:18

With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.Perhaps with your quip.

Wicked Roger

09-06-16, 04:56

With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.Given your feelings Golfinho are we to assume you will no longer grace the Philippines board but stick to the Thai, African and Colombia threads where you post a lot because you are way too scared to come here or if you do will do what Amavida had suggested and hide in the toilet? - if the latter would be an interesting way to spend a vacation in the Philippines LOL.

Many of those I speak with consider the Abu Sayyaf as not terrorist per se just thugs and criminals who want to take a lot of the country for less than 2% of the population etc. They are happy that the new administration is doing something as the previous one as GE noted did little. Some of my friends are convinced that local politicians and police / army support the group to share in the reward money or sell them guns etc. Nothing is as straightforward as it seems here sometimes.

Europe can be considered way more threatening at present than the Philippines as unless you really want to visit Sulu, Jolo and Tawi Tawi or venture to remote parts of Mindanao why are you so scared? Most mongers stick to the main cities all of which are likely more safe than say Brussels or Paris at this moment.

But as I said, each to own, we all feel differing threats in different ways and act accordingly. Some hide in the CR (LOL) others wander sit in their 'office' and have coffee watching the eye candy LOL.

Dg8787

09-06-16, 16:04

With commentary as stupid enough as this. Where to start.Whether you want to call it stupid or not it started years ago when a certain ME country warned everyone terriost will be at your front door soon enough.

BTW, GE comments are pretty much right on.

Golfinho

09-06-16, 18:18

But as I said, each to own, we all feel differing threats.Too funny, a scare mongered American bravely standing up to the threats he's feeling everywhere around him! How wicked.

Put yourself in these peoples' shoes (not that you could) and how would you like living with the lot they were born into? Imagine you'd take it bending over? Our premise is that so called terrorism is largely blow back, a response to actual terrorism in other words.

Bandy

09-07-16, 01:18

Just spent 5 days at Davao City in August during Kadayawan festival. Stayed in the Marco Polo hotel and spent marvelous times with friends who came and stayed the nights. I don't go to clubs anymore since lots of friends are willing to spend time and provide GFE throughout all nights. The days and nights were wonderful, joyous and full of spirit of the festival. Never felt any threat, whatsoever. Two days ago a friend who was with me contacted me on Skype and told about the Abu Sayyaf attack. She is very worried about their daily life. I told her to go with her normal life and don't worry about it. I had many personal experiences in my life where things were very touchy sometimes. Hey I live in New York City, the prime target of terrorists. Then again, it never occurs to me that I can face danger anytime when I take the mass transit. Business as usual. I think it will be a miserable life, if constantly think of ensuing trouble on which you have no control. Just reduce the risk not visiting questionable areas, if you know what and where they are.

Today, one of my colleagues at work asked me whether I will visit Philippines again, if there is a 15% chance of unforeseen trouble. My answer was a resounding YES. Unless the risk go over 50%, I would never think of abandoning the best country to experience GFE day in day out from girls in their 20's. Just left a 23 yr old never married, no children, college graduate in tears because I refuse to agree to be her BF. Sometimes you have to pinch yourself to confirm that you are not dreaming.

Believe me, the way things are throughout the world now, Philippines is easily one the best target destinations to visit. On top of that it was nice to see that dollar goes a long way to enjoy the overall experience. Just one man's opinion.

Bandy.

GoodEnough

09-07-16, 02:16

Too funny, a scare mongered American bravely standing up to the threats he's feeling everywhere around him! How wicked.

Put yourself in these peoples' shoes (not that you could) and how would you like living with the lot they were born into? Imagine you'd take it bending over? Our premise is that so called terrorism is largely blow back, a response to actual terrorism in other words.I don't know if English is your native language, but if you have an actual point to make, I have difficulty discerning what it is. Just to make you a bit better informed, the bomb that killed 16 people here was an act of "actual terrorism. " Despite this, most of the people whom I know here, and I know many, are going about their lives in normal fashion. By the way, the past participle of the verb "to scare" is "scared. " And if the "scare monger" (not mongered) to whom you're referring is me, I'd like to clarify that I'm not at all scared. I've lived through far worse than this, including civil wars all over Africa, and I continue to live a normal life here.

I've no idea if you're one of those Internet warriors who remains ensconced in his parent's house while voacariously living through the reported adventures of others or if you've actually set foot outside of your country. However, regardless of your circumstances, it doesn't appear to me that you've got anything new to say. Perhaps, before expressing an inchoate invective, you should visit Davao and develop a basis on which to form an opinion.

Anyway, it's all good and we are all entitled to express ourselves.

GE.

Shining Wit

09-07-16, 21:34

I was mildly surprised by the lack of responses to GE's report of the recent bombing.

One of the first responders was considering using his DIA contacts in another country. Not knowing his modus operandi, it could range from enjoying the girl in his room and sending her on her way to going on a 'normal date'. In the first case, his danger level has barely increased as he is unlikely to be injured by the blast, and I have read a report that the bomber was turned away from the Marco Polo, which is next door to the market. In the second case, he might well take her to a night club / disco. How many members have ever looked around in one of these venues and thought 'If this place goes up in flames, what are my chances of getting out?' Who thinks about that? But how different are the chances?

On one of my recent visits to Manila, I attended an event at the Cuneta Astrodome in Pasay City. At the end there was the usual cavalry charge for the exit. I had been sitting near the back, so I had to go down a flight of steps, and then reverse direction down a further flight of steps to the outside. At the level bit between flights, everything ground to a halt. I was able to see that the foot of the stairs was barred by a full height, closed and attended gate. This was closed to enable people to leave from the ground level. I remember thinking that if there was a surge of people on the upper stairs, and somebody overbalanced, it could all become very nasty, very quickly. I was particularly concerned as I was with a friend and his two young daughters. What would happen in an emergency with consequent panic, I would rather not think about.

So my feeling is that people probably put themselves in potentially dangerous situations unwittingly, so that the threat of a bombing does not materially increase the danger levels.

Disclosure. I live in a country that has had politico-religious violence since before the Philippine Republic existed (research IRA bombings) and live in a town that used to annually host political party annual conferences (research Brighton conference bombings). It's just something that might happen, like getting struck by lightning or mown down by a drunk driver.