Davao

[Simmer]

live in a town that used to annually host political party annual conferences (research Brighton conference bombings). It's just something that might happen, like getting struck by lightning or mown down by a drunk driver.Left or right of the pier?! (rhetorical question, being on this site).

I agree: where I (now) live there was a mass shooting (ooh no prizes for guessing which country) which happened at a building I'd been inside only a few months prior. Am I nervous going back there? No. Random attack, in terms of whodunnit rather than why it was a target (employee). Avoid known trouble spots but avoid paranoia too.

[Shining Wit]

Left or right of the pier?! (rhetorical question, being on this site).Under it! Seriously, it's not Brighton, but further along the coast.

I was driving a bus at the time, and a popular attitude was 'If I report an unaccompanied parcel on board, I will have to wait for the police and I can probably miss my next trip. '

[Amavida]

I will reach Philippines in some months and I will have 20 free days. In those 20 free days I'd like to get 3 real and interesting girlfriend experiences only.

I'd like to rent an apartment with kitchen and sometimes to cook. I like to cook. I don't take interest abour dirty or beautiful places, I like only to be in my apartment for much time with her. If I had to be in Davao, what is the best place to stay? Maybe is good to stay in downtown? I'm thinking to reach Davao but I have read interesting words on Cebu too. In your opinion is it better to reach Davao or Cebu for 20 days?

Thanks for some info.Marco Polo is safe bet for first timer to Davao.

Cebu had more hotels than you can count. Check online for apartments but I'd start with a decent hotel on a first visit.

[Omega 3]

Haven't visited Davao in quite awhile. Last time there, was with a 22 year old girl I thought had possibilities, and we looked at a low-rise apartment unit located just across the street from the original SM Mall. At the time, the mall had just about completed construction and was soon to open. Alas (or fortunately?) the relationship with that girl was not meant to be (she later became a "spotlight dancer" at Crystal Palace in Angeles, and then "retired" to Manila), never rented the apartment, and now another decade seems to have slipped away. Recall, at the time, eating at Ah Fat Chinese at the side of Victoria Mall. Also have fond memories of a peaceful stay a few days afterward at Hof Gorei on the GI of Samal.

Thanks to GE, on another post, for advising in part, "Davao has changed substantially in the decade since you have been here. It's booming economically, and Western-type restaurants are opening all over the place. Some of them are quite good".

Might have a chance to visit Davao City again in a few months, and would much appreciate recommendations from GE and any other Davao gurus of your own current personal top fave Western resto there?

Thanks in advance.

OM.

[Hutsori]

... I will have 20 free days. I'd like to rent an apartment with kitchen and sometimes to cook. I like to cook.If you're looking for a flat with a kitchen and other home-style amenities the first place you ought to check is airbnb. Have you ever heard of it? This is true for cities around the world, but not Mecca and Medina if you're an infidel.



My worry is it will be hard or very hard to fuck regular girls in short time cause their shyness and cause they are conservative.Nothing you can do about that other than do your best in initial online correspondence and video chat to determine their timidity. Of course it has been reported throughout history that what a women says and what she does often don't align. Astonishing, right?



I will have 20 free days and I'd like to get only 2 wonderful girlfriend experiences.There you are. You have the first 10 days to find wonderful girlfriend experience #1, and then you have the second 10 days to find wonderful girlfriend experience #2. I think this task is accomplishable in the Philippines.

Thinking of the questions you've posted here I concluded that not only do you have little experience with the Philippines and women, you may have little experience with life. The naivete of the questions are at times precious.

Then I read this:


I'm talking with many beautiful and sweet girls on the net in Manila. All them have just told me they have a denture, that is fake teeth with plastic palate. In this forum why is nobody talking about this issue of the pinays?

I think it is an important problem for a beautiful girl. Maybe do all you like to kiss girls with denture with plastic palates? Only me I don't like to kiss fake teeth? How can you like and fuck girls with dentures?

And then:


I am sad for that reality but it is hard for me to kiss such girls with fake teeth. I regret I have just bought a ticket for the Philippines because I did not know that denture problems of the pinays. Pity for them and for me.Which was followed by:



I'm curious where you fish girls with good teeth before going to Philippines. Either you're mental or this is one brilliant wind up - I hope it's the latter. I'm genuinely tempted to post your questions on reddit to witness the melt down.

As I dwell on that, I'll give you a scenario to fret over. You may have heard many beautiful and sweet girls on the net in the Philippines shave their pussies. This reveals their dusky uvulas, skin that's much darker than the rest of their bodies - well the underarms are darker too. Is this important problem for a beautiful girl going to be a boner buster for you too?

[MrWoolyBooly]

Can some of them come to my apartment when I will be with the last girl. I am very worried about that. You can tell the first girls that you have a girlfriend now. Pinays will generally not interfere. If any get pushy, tell them you can only meet for a threesome.

[Hutsori]

Will I get worries with the girls I will fuck in the first 10 days even if I will give them some money?
Absolutely you'll get worries. Cuddles and worries. That's how you roll.



Can some of them come to my apartment when I will be with the last girl. I am very worried about that.
That's a good worry. Surely you'll want that one.



I will give every girl 1500 php for every night if she sleeps with me and I will give the last girl around 1000 php for every day for 12 days (I pay also all her stay with me). I am really troubled by those girls I will fuck in the first days because the will want to meet me again and when I will be with the last girl, if I will not answer to their messages they can reach my apartment to meet me again.Sounds complicated, which is the best course of action to maximise your worries. Add other variables. For example, have you considered the unknown unknowns? Worrying about things you haven't even conceived of yet ought to get your mind working in a frenzy.



I am not worries if they have darker skin in some their places but I like good teeth because I will be always to kiss them. .
OK, up to you. I think you're missing out though. A lot girls have this worry, and if you have this worry too the cumulative group worry filling the room is exponentially greater than a sole worry in your noggin. You could be missing out on catastrophising.

[Offshore Swell]

Absolutely you'll get worries. Cuddles and worries. That's how you roll.

That's a good worry. Surely you'll want that one.

Sounds complicated, which is the best course of action to maximise your worries. Add other variables. For example, have you considered the unknown unknowns? Worrying about things you haven't even conceived of yet ought to get your mind working in a frenzy.

OK, up to you. I think you're missing out though. A lot girls have this worry, and if you have this worry too the cumulative group worry filling the room is exponentially greater than a sole worry in your noggin. You could be missing out on catastrophising.This is very funny. 10 points.

[WestCoast1]

Absolutely you'll get worries. Cuddles and worries. That's how you roll.

That's a good worry. Surely you'll want that one.

OK, up to you. I think you're missing out though. A lot girls have this worry, and if you have this worry too the cumulative group worry filling the room is exponentially greater than a sole worry in your noggin. You could be missing out on catastrophising.ROD candidate? Certainly BH is a candidate. For something.

[Hutsori]

Certainly BH is a candidate. For something.Hopeful I remain. He hasn't yet matched the posts of the fella who was worried about spiders and centipedes, but BH's fixation on toothless gals' dentures delighted me.

[GoodEnough]

Dear Hutsori,

I thank you for your news. In some days I will reach Davao and I changed a bit my plan.

I will have 22 free days in Davao. I booked an apartment with kitchen because I like to cook. Many girls like to come to my apartment to eat my food. At the beginning I thought to get only 2 girls in 22 days because I like to cuddle and to be cuddled. But now I'm thinking to fuck 2-3 girls in the first 10 days and then to get another girl (the last before to leave Davao) for the remaining 12 days. She is really wonderful and I like to be with her for 12 days. My question:

Will I get worries with the girls I will fuck in the first 10 days even if I will give them some money? Can some of them come to my apartment when I will be with the last girl. I am very worried about that. I will give every girl 1500 php for every night if she sleeps with me and I will give the last girl around 1000 php for every day for 12 days (I pay also all her stay with me). I am really troubled by those girls I will fuck in the first days because the will want to meet me again and when I will be with the last girl, if I will not answer to their messages they can reach my apartment to meet me again.

I am not worries if they have darker skin in some their places but I like good teeth because I will be always to kiss them. .

Thanks again one.Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously.

GE.

[Soapy Smith]

Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously. GE.Or perhaps the guy's just crazy, in which case you're giving him far too much credit.

[Omega 3]

Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously.

GE.I agree with GE. This post looks like a put-on. Hilarious repartee by Huts.

P. S."Alpha": "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth. It might not have good teeth, and then you won't be able to kiss it".

"Bravo": "Don't worry, darling. Just close your eyes and fantasize and smooch away to your heart's content".

On a more positive note, PAL has just announced 3 x weekly non-stop flights between Clark & Davao. More convenient for those going to or coming from Davao.

OM.

[Member #4558]

Soon BH will ask; how long is a road? And how can I find it? Is Davao girl taller or shorter than the average hight for pinays and how can I meet them? If so how tall is that? All girls love me, how can I avoid?

I hope I am mistaken but lets see. If he only was joking it would be kind of fun.

I am out.

[X Man]

And now the Davao thread is talking about BH? Thanks VP.

Anyone been to Samal lately? Which beach do you recommend?


Soon BH will ask; how long is a road? And how can I find it? Is Davao girl taller or shorter than the average hight for pinays and how can I meet them? If so how tall is that? All girls love me, how can I avoid?

I hope I am mistaken but lets see. If he only was joking it would be kind of fun.

I am out.

[Member #4566]

Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Maybe it was really written by a native English speaker attempting to sound as a non-native speaker. Just a thought, but it's tough to believe that anyone could be this absurd when trying to speak seriously.

GE.Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.

[Member #4558]

Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.First of all glad you got help to sort out your issues. I think you overreact a tad here. Its not like you don't get any help here but its like when the people with very few posts start asking the same questions all over again without having spend a minute looking for the answers, then you can not expect so much help. Often these BMs just ask ask ask aka take take take and never give anything in return. Often these BMs are from the subcontinent. Its only selfjustice so to speak. And even if they get help they don't say thank you and even if they "allways" promise a FR we rarely see one. They even have the nerve to ask for digits. If you are senior member with a good posting history people will be most helpful around here. Some selfstudying as in RTTF never hurts though, hehe. In this Davao thread we have BM BestHunter keeping us entertained with the oustmost detailed questionbase you will ever see. It doesn't help what anyone tells him. We don't know if he is just being funny or if he is something else. Hard to establish realy. Happy poonin.

[AskeAske]

In your opinion, how much money do I have to give this girl in Davao? I explain you better. I'm talking with a beautiful and sweet 25 years old girl for 2 moths. She live with her auntie, she is a regular girl (not freelancer) and she is really beautiful, very sweet, has 2 kids. There is feeling between me and her. Some time ago I told her I don't like to marry and to get a bond but she hopes in that. She will live with me as husband and wife in my apartment for 2 weeks in Davao. We will cook together, will reach Samal, some restaurants, clubs, spa, I will give her some small gifts too, etc. When I will part from her, in your opinion how much money can I give her (around)? What is your thought?

Thanks.One day 2. 000 pesos. 15 Days, 30.000 pesos.

[Mbsl65]

Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.Perfect input!. Honestly I wonder what kind of a life some of the posters do have. I had a privilege to see one of them in Cebu (Radisson Blu Executive club) while putting his bile into the forums. The guy was a total creep.

[Hutsori]

Has anyone considered the possibility that this farcical post is actually a joke, designed to see if it will elicit serious responses? Yes, I mentioned earlier I thought BH was winding us up. I don't mind playing along to see where the absurdity goes.

[Hutsori]

One day 2. 000 pesos. 15 Days, 30.000 pesos.Of course it's the standard practice to subtract p100 for each missing tooth.

[Hutsori]

Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful.I view things in context. A first time / newish poster I treat with kindness and provide, I hope, satisfactory answers. But, when I see frequent questions and comments, many that are bizarre, and no FRs or other productive output ... well, that's altogether a different matter.

[WestCoast1]

One day 2. 000 pesos. 15 Days, 30.000 pesos.Yap. Ditto. Small price to pay for 2 weeks of young honey. That is, if you can put up with her for 2 weeks.

[WestCoast1]

Of course it's the standard practice to subtract p100 for each missing tooth.Haha stop it! No more BH denture jokes.

Related story (glance away BH): Recently I was with one of my regular province girls (bussed in), age 23. Her local BF had cobbled together p1300 for fake upper front teeth. The teeth gave her a wicked smile, canine-ish, every smile looks nawty (and she knows it). She complained that they were a bit loose and that she wanted to re-visit the dentist who made them to get a new set (hint, hint, money). One morning at sunup I felt a pinch on my ass, like I'd been bit by a small animal. Yikes! I reached down and pulled something small, solid, and sharp from betwixt my ass-cheeks. Yes, it was her fake teeth. BH turn away! Jesus! I tossed it on the nightstand, but I couldn't go back to sleep. I jumped in the shower to wash off last night's no-aircon-live-band-bar sweat / stink / smoke, and as I stepped out of the shower to towel off, she was sitting on the commode. She flushed and went back to bed while I was still toweling off. When I went back into the bedroom I noticed the fake teeth no longer on the nightstand. BH you should go make a sandwich.

I jostled her and asked where her fake teeth were. She turned her face to me without opening her eyes, smiled big, and pointed to the fake teeth in her mouth. O!M!F!G! Ewwwwwww!


I view things in context. A first time / newish poster I treat with kindness and provide, I hope, satisfactory answers. But, when I see frequent questions and comments, many that are bizarre, and no FRs or other productive output ... well, that's altogether a different matter.Yes, poor BH forgot where he was. He walked into the barrio while wearing bling. He takes without giving. If there was any indication of his previous descriptive FR's in phils (or anywhere), he'd be more palatable. On those occasions where we have publicly helped newbs, they rarely post any field reports after their trip (s). Let them ask questions in PM, I'll be glad to answer them there.

OTOH, on rare occasion some newb gets help, then later tells us about his experiences on the board. Kudos to you, rare fella.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Some guys here think to be the owners of the forum. They are poor mind because they are only guests of the forum.Greetings, Mr Hunter. I have zero insider knowledge, but I've always supposed that this forum has three sources of support: clicking on ads, paid memberships, and contributions that attract readers. If the support proves inadequate, the forum will die. It's natural for the paid members and effective contributors to want to get the most value for their money or efforts. (Nobody without insider knowledge has any idea who clicks on what ads or how much that's worth.) We were all born new and ignorant. However, since we're all adults in this forum, many expect participants to make at least token, symbolic contributions. We can all share at least simple information about someplace in the world we know well in our home country: Which hotels are good? Which areas are unsafe? Even better if there are contributions specific to this forum's purpose. I can't remember any questions posted by a contributor (of useful information, not just questions) in this forum that hasn't been thoughtfully answered.

There is plenty of rudeness in internetland, but there's no cure for that without adding moderator expense. Why should any of us share our experiences, information, or observations? Let's do what we can to make this forum mutually useful.

[MrWoolyBooly]

I jostled her and asked where her fake teeth were. She turned her face to me without opening her eyes, smiled big, and pointed to the fake teeth in her mouth. O!M!F!G! Ewwwwwww!You've single-handedly (or single-assedly) scared us away from overnighters with Pinays wearing dentures! Checklist: Valuables in the safe, door locked, cellphone charging, nothing in bed that's going to bite me in the ass. Ahhh. Good night, sweetheart.

[Omega 3]

You've single-handedly (or single-assedly) scared us away from overnighters with Pinays wearing dentures! Checklist: Valuables in the safe, door locked, cellphone charging, nothing in bed that's going to bite me in the ass. Ahhh. Good night, sweetheart.Sometimes, it can work the other way.

Remember years ago taking "evil" Sheila (her stage name; long since gone) plus two newbie girls from the old Bunny Ranch when it was located near Bunny Restaurant. I had just flown in that same evening via Manila, was horribly jet lagged, had had way too much to drink, but was feeling irrationally exuberant in a kind of dazed fashion. Remember, while in doggy, seeing Sheila's lovely round ass like an alluring moon just calling to me. Before I knew what I was doing, pulled out, leaned over and nipped that lovely ass cheek. Not hard enough to draw blood, but enough to leave an imprint or tooth mark.

Man, Sheila was startled and immediately became violently upset. She started shouting and berating me, threatening to go to the cops. The two other girls, who were duds anyway, wanted to leave at this point, so I sent them off with a modest tip. Spent several hours cajoling and placating "evil" Sheila, and toward morning, pointed out that the teeth marks had completely disappeared. That, plus a P500 tip, finally mollified her and at last off she went.

I checked out of that particular hotel (the original Pacific Breeze) later that morning, and never went back. Walls were too thin, and just had not had "good luck" there in any case. Saw Sheila a day or so later at BR, and the whole thing had become a non-event to her, although I never took her out again.

To this day, still don't know what possessed me. Very atypical. Just too drunk, I guess. For lack of a better explanation, "The devil made me do it"! But, actually, you know, it was kind of fun.

Caution: Do not try to do this yourself; only to be done by trained professionals, and only at great personal risk to life and limb.

OM.

[WestCoast1]

You can't pay for this shit. Sometimes I love ISG.I should sell my stories.


Checklist: Valuables in the safe, door locked, cellphone charging, nothing in bed that's going to bite me in the ass. Ahhh. Good night, sweetheart. The things I endure to bring you gents a pic.


You've single-handedly (or single-assedly) scared us away from overnighters with Pinays wearing dentures! Looks like I get all the brown beauty to myself. BH will have to finger-check each girl's teeth (molar: check, bicuspid: check, incisor: check). Paging doctor Hunter. Paging doctor Hunter. Wait, wasn't I the one who called for a moratorium on denture jokes recently?

[BushRusher]

Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.Congratulations, HookLineAndSinker. The fairer sex is really amazing.

[Omega 3]

Friends, I have arrived in Davao from 2 days and I called that girl I knew on Internet before to travel. That girl is driving me crazy with joy. If before to meet her I was convinced that she was a regular girl, now I am convinced more and more. I spoke with her on Facebook and I liked her pics. When I met her for the first time this morning I was astonished by her beauty. She is more beautiful in person than in the pics. She is 167 cm (5'6" She is from Tagum and she cannot sleep with me because her mother doesn't permit it. She took the bus at 6:00 am and arrived in my building around 9:00 am because there is traffic. In many years I travel around the world, I never met a so beautiful girl. She is very simple and natural girl but what I like more about her is her sweetness. It can seem a dream, after just a day I'm falling in love for her but I cannot do it. Help!! Before to take the bus to go at home, she wanted me so much and she become to kiss me deeply and become to undress me because she wanted to fuck again before leaving. While I was fucking her she rejoiced and when she reached orgasm almost screamed. She is so hot in the bed. I will meet her for 6 days and every day she have to travel for 6 hours. It seems incredible but she want me. Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.More power to you, brother.

OM.

[WestCoast1]

BH has posted a positive field report. Kudo's brother.

[Sam 14]

Good job Mr. Hunter. Your due diligence paid off, nice to hear it . Thanks for the report. "The Hunter gets captured by the prey". We could have fun naming the baby. I'm just kidding man. But seriously, please don't get her pregnant. And check back in later. Thanks.

[Member #4566]

Friends. I will meet her for 6 days and every day she have to travel for 6 hours. It seems incredible but she want me. Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.You are getting in way over your head. You poor guy. Back off and play the field until you have a little better feeling for the lay of the land. But first go ahead and meet the family. Report how much of a donation you were asked to make.

[Red Kilt]

BH has posted a positive field report. Kudo's brother.I still see a train wreck approaching.

The lights are flashing but there may be a feeling that he can beat the train through the rail crossing.

I will watch for "breaking news".

[FreebieFan]

Friends, I have arrived in Davao from 2 days and I called that girl I knew on Internet before to travel. That girl is driving me crazy with joy. If before to meet her I was convinced that she was a regular girl, now I am convinced more and more. I spoke with her on Facebook and I liked her pics. When I met her for the first time this morning I was astonished by her beauty. She is more beautiful in person than in the pics. She is 167 cm (5'6" She is from Tagum and she cannot sleep with me because her mother doesn't permit it. She took the bus at 6:00 am and arrived in my building around 9:00 am because there is traffic. In many years I travel around the world, I never met a so beautiful girl. She is very simple and natural girl but what I like more about her is her sweetness. It can seem a dream, after just a day I'm falling in love for her but I cannot do it. Help!! Before to take the bus to go at home, she wanted me so much and she become to kiss me deeply and become to undress me because she wanted to fuck again before leaving. While I was fucking her she rejoiced and when she reached orgasm almost screamed. She is so hot in the bed. I will meet her for 6 days and every day she have to travel for 6 hours. It seems incredible but she want me. Today was the first meeting and I hope to write here again. In my opinion Davao is a wonderful place to meet wonderful girls.Gosh I so remember when I was young and full of beans and every filipina was more beautiful than the next. I was convinced I was in heaven. Then I learnt that the girl who said she travelled 3 hours to see me was actually living around the corner. Then I learnt it wasnt her mom that wouldn't let her stay with me, it was her husband. Then I was so happy when she asked if I could help her with a little money, as I knew she loved me and the money was a small amount ot me compared to her happiness.

Then she went silent for a day whilst she scored some shabu but she told me she had a cold. Then I learnt she had some big brothers who were upset with me and I had to leave town in a hurry.

These newbies are what we were once. Before we wised up and realised their shit also stinks and that they lie with no compunction and and hesitation and the greener the guy, the more he falls for it.

Wise up fast young man. Whats that sound. Yes. Thats the 9. 15 express right on time.

[FreebieFan]

Nope! All of you are wrong. The problem is that this guy truly believes that the purpose of the forum is to be helpful. Also, this guy is probably not versed in our culture of sarcasm and thus does not comprehend most of the responses that have been levied against him. In the same manner we don't comprehend that the tone of this forum is often antagonistic especially to the so-called newbie.

Recently I sought help in another forum to solve a tricky financial problem. Several posters immediately answered my query and the problem was solved. Nobody said Read the Fuckin' Forum (Although searching for the answer in that forum would not require wading through all the bile, tripe and other intestinal contents cluttering the ISG). Nor did they advise me to buy a subscription for $20 and they will PM me the answer.This same fellow tho has been using other boards with the same questions about how much to pay. Asking many many times and disagreeing with the responses. Hes waiting till someone gives him the answer he agrees with. Hes also asked how h can tell if a gal in manila is hornier than a gal in Jakarta. Guy seems to be newer than new.

[FreebieFan]

. My worry is it will be hard or very hard to fuck regular girls in short time cause their shyness and cause they are conservative. I will have 20 free days and I'd like to get only 2 wonderful girlfriend experiences.On the other board on which you have spent a long time asking many guys how much you should pay, theres a board member with a wonderful report, day by day about his adventures in Davao. Hes on day 75 at moment and hes probably scored with about 55 girls in Davao so far. Shy and conservative. Yeah right. The boy has got a lot to learn.

[Dg8787]

Gosh I so remember when I was young and full of beans and every filipina was more beautiful than the next. I was convinced I was in heaven. Then I learnt that the girl who said she travelled 3 hours to see me was actually living around the corner. Then I learnt it wasnt her mom that wouldn't let her stay with me, it was her husband. Then I was so happy when she asked if I could help her with a little money, as I knew she loved me and the money was a small amount ot me compared to her happiness.

Then she went silent for a day whilst she scored some shabu but she told me she had a cold. Then I learnt she had some big brothers who were upset with me and I had to leave town in a hurry.

These newbies are what we were once. Before we wised up and realised their shit also stinks and that they lie with no compunction and and hesitation and the greener the guy, the more he falls for it.

Wise up fast young man. Whats that sound. Yes. Thats the 9. 15 express right on time.Possibly not everyone has a negative Nellie experience. Some may get everyone else's while they are spared.

[GoodEnough]

On the other board on which you have spent a long time asking many guys how much you should pay, theres a board member with a wonderful report, day by day about his adventures in Davao. Hes on day 75 at moment and hes probably scored with about 55 girls in Davao so far. Shy and conservative. Yeah right. The boy has got a lot to learn.I've wondered off and on if all of these posts weren't total BS, and if this is really some guy in mommy' basement playing wish fulfillment games in bad English. His reports suggest no knowledge of the city, and his characterizations bear no relationship to the city I've gotten to know pretty well over the past 14 years or so. So, it would be nice to know, where he took his (imaginary?) honey. What restaurants for example, and where were they? What specific shops? In what hotel is he staying? What's his assessment of the hotels? How is he getting around the city? Where has he gone? There are just no details to suggest he's even here.

GE.

[Member #4558]

A fake report is better than no report I guess. But make no mistakes BH is probably, when mom allows him, working the google to come up with some names and places(if not, this could be valuable hints to you BH). Atleast give us, your best supporters, a solid fake report and not just this laim one..

[WestCoast1]

I've wondered off and on if all of these posts weren't total BS, and if this is really some guy in mommy' basement playing wish fulfillment games in bad English. His reports suggest no knowledge of the city, and his characterizations bear no relationship to the city


This same fellow tho has been using other boards with the same questions about how much to pay. Asking many many times and disagreeing with the responses. Hes waiting till someone gives him the answer he agrees with. Hes also asked how h can tell if a gal in manila is hornier than a gal in Jakarta. Guy seems to be newer than new.


I still see a train wreck approaching.


You are getting in way over your head. You poor guy. Back off and play the field until you have a little better feeling for the lay of the land. But first go ahead and meet the family. Report how much of a donation you were asked to make.So gents: Its ok if I post the occasional Besty-denture thing? He did not mention is his first FR whether she had fake teeth. BH?

[Chocha Monger]

Good job Mr. Hunter. Your due diligence paid off, nice to hear it . Thanks for the report. "The Hunter gets captured by the prey". We could have fun naming the baby. I'm just kidding man. But seriously, please don't get her pregnant. And check back in later. Thanks.Expect solicitation for information on how to tell if a pinay is really pregnant in a few months and what to do about it if she is. Then the discussion of who is the real father will follow. After that forum members will be asked their opinion on good Filipino-Italian names for the baby. The situation is summarized in the attached illustration.

[Omega 3]

So gents: Its ok if I post the occasional Besty-denture thing? He did not mention is his first FR whether she had fake teeth. BH?Thank God for Westy's refreshing sense of humor. Helps to keep things in perspective!

YMMV.

OM.

[GoodEnough]

So gents: Its ok if I post the occasional Besty-denture thing? He did not mention is his first FR whether she had fake teeth. BH?The week end is here, and I will spend it trolling throughout the city looking for a very handsome foreigner in permanent lip lock with a gorgeous Filipina, noting that the poriner may have a set of dentures affixed to his posterior. Don't know whether to start with the high or low end hotels and restaurants so this will be something of a hit or miss search, but if I do find them, rest assured I'll take a picture and report back. I might save a little time by hanging out at the bus station in the early morning to greet the first couple of buses from Tagum, always looking for the most beautiful, yet demure maiden among the passengers.

GE.

[WestCoast1]

I might save a little time by hanging out at the bus station in the early morning to greet the first couple of buses from Tagum, always looking for the most beautiful, yet demure maiden among the passengers. GE.You will know you have found the right couple if the foreigner has dental equipment implements in one hand and is jumping up and down like a Duke basketball fan.

[GoodEnough]

To go from the sublime to the ridiculous, today we went to the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to register the name of a new corporation. The name was rejected immediately. Why? "Sir, there are so many businesses here that use one of the words you want to use. " Huh? "Are there any other businesses with that name?" "No sir, but you can't use it anyway. " Okay, I know better than to argue against the rules being made up on the spot, so I tried three other names. Nope. Why? "Well sir the name should describe the type of business. " "Oh, you mean like the name 'Toyota' has within it the root of the concept that we're selling cars?" "Yessir. " So far, DTI has rejected 7 names, all for arcane, instantly-created reasons. Now awaiting approval of the 8th suggestion. And I have a Filipina handling this for me, so it's not some anti-foreigner stance.

I then go to a lawyer to start the paperwork. I asked him, since this is starting as a small business employing less than 10 (hence a "small" enterprise") if we are VAT exempt as I had understood. The answer "no; no one is VAT exempt. " That didn't jibe with how I read the law so went to a second lawyer and posed the same question: "Yes, of course you're VAT exempt. " Huh? Two lawyers. Two diametrically opposed answers. I still have no idea if we're VAT exempt but I figure BIR will let us know.

Then, I asked how long it would take us to get the business permit, given that the Duterte, when he was Mayor, highly publicized the fact that in Davao, it only takes 3 business days (never mind that in Hong Kong it took me an hour.). The answer: "About 8 business days sir. " "Why? I thought only 3 days. " Answer: "Oh sir, first you have to get clearance from the BIR, then you have to get clearance from the Social Security, then you have to register with Pag Ibig, and then you have to bring all the papers to us and then we will take 3 days only. ".

This place has a long, long way to go.

PS. The 7th or 8th or perhaps the 9th name did get approved.

GE.

[GoodEnough]

I'm not as young as some here believes, I'm 60 years old and I have a lot of experience. And if you continue teasing or kidding, I will not make any other post.Do you promise?

[Red Kilt]

To go from the sublime to the ridiculous, today we went to the Department of Trade and Industry (DTI) to register the name of a new corporation. I can't believe that after your first foray into your own business in the Philippines gave you so much grief you are prepared to embark on another venture. Doesn't the story you yourself related about the simple act of registering a name give you pause abut all the other elements that you still have to solve before a business is "up and running".

I have lived here for 20 years continuously now and I will continue taking the advice of my long-standing legal advisor who told me to never go down that track.

Good luck anyway.

[GoodEnough]

I can't believe that after your first foray into your own business in the Philippines gave you so much grief you are prepared to embark on another venture. Doesn't the story you yourself related about the simple act of registering a name give you pause abut all the other elements that you still have to solve before a business is "up and running".

I have lived here for 20 years continuously now and I will continue taking the advice of my long-standing legal advisor who told me to never go down that track.

Good luck anyway.Thanks for the good wishes. This is something entirely different, and I'm not going to be very involved with it much less try to manage it, so it's not a repeat of what I'm currently doing.

GE.

[Red Kilt]

Thanks for the good wishes. This is something entirely different, and I'm not going to be very involved with it much less try to manage it, so it's not a repeat of what I'm currently doing..That's reassuring GE.

However, I hope your new interest is not too far from your "skill-set" though.

Remember the words of Tom Peters in his 1982 book "In Search of Excellence" (Peters & Waterman).

There were 8 themes. Number 6 was "stick to the knitting. Stay with the business that you know". The advice in that "old" book still resonates with me.

[Offshore Swell]

Ha Ha. I am pretty sure that our friend Mr GE is taking the P out of you guys. This gentleman is a senior member with over 3000 posts to his credit a quick look suggests he is more eloquent than his angst ridden alter ego here would suggest.

None of that detracts from the brilliance of Hutsori's reply and I for one would nominate it for ROD.

So Mr GE, good work. What you do expose as some have alluded to are the inherent weaknesses in our group.

Better to be the man in real life and a demure poster here than the other way around.

OS.

[Omega 3]

That's reassuring GE.

However, I hope your new interest is not too far from your "skill-set" though.

Remember the words of Tom Peters in his 1982 book "In Search of Excellence" (Peters & Waterman).

There were 8 themes. Number 6 was "stick to the knitting. Stay with the business that you know". The advice in that "old" book still resonates with me.Remember it well. A good "vintage" management book by Tom Peters.

Not to be confused with the even earlier Lawrence J. Peter's "The Peter Principle" (circa 1969?) which, hopefully, does not apply here.

All kidding aside, best wishes to GE and apparently his efforts to again deal with local bureaucracy, which, as we all know, can be not just frustrating, but at times completely mind-numbing.

OM.

P.S. Another book which might help to prepare for the experience is "Catch 22" by Joseph Heller?

[GoodEnough]

Remember it well. A good "vintage" management book by Tom Peters.

Not to be confused with the even earlier Lawrence J. Peter's "The Peter Principle" (circa 1969?) which, hopefully, does not apply here.

All kidding aside, best wishes to GE and apparently his efforts to again deal with local bureaucracy, which, as we all know, can be not just frustrating, but at times completely mind-numbing.

OM.

P.S. Another book which might help to prepare for the experience is "Catch 22" by Joseph Heller?Peters' book assumes a rational world that moves according to logical, understood rules. That clearly doesn't apply here. However, it's all good; it's not really my business. I'm just helping someone out and I will not have to deal with the endless bureaucracy here as I do in my current business. But thanks for all of the encouragement. I think Heller nailed it all those years ago, in fact he now seems prescient given what's happening in the States, in the UK and possibly in other Western European countries. Don't know if Australia is staying sane or not, but hopefully it hasn't fallen into the Heller paradigm.

All told, I probably understand this place better now than I do my own country in the post-Trump era.



GE.

[Dg8787]

It is never a good time to start a business in the Philippines! Good thing Mr. Sy never heard this as he continues to start more businesses.

[Omega 3]

It is never a good time to start a business in the Philippines! Good thing Mr. Sy never heard this as he continues to start more businesses.Or be his primary competitor, Lucio Tan, whose tobacco company reportedly just had its tax bill reduced by the Court of Tax Appeals, from P90 million to a mere P200,000.

When you got juice, you got juice.

Smiley face.

OM.

[Hutsori]

Hello friends,

I hope not all you are idiotic and somebody can reply me.

Until now I fucked 4 girls in Davao. My cock is big but not huge and I get some penetration problems with 3 girls. I saw pain in their faces when I fucked them but they at the end enjoyed sex and always get orgasms. Now I am with my fourth girl and she has not penetration problems at all. My question is: why does she not have any pain problems with my cock? I don't think she is fucking so many foreigners with big cocks in Davao. Are small pussies here a physical conformation and not all the girls have small pussies?

Thanks for some info.I guess the first three are post ops and the last is a genuine girl.

[Sxxxx]

.........Until now I fucked 4 girls in Davao. My cock is big but not huge and I get some penetration problems with 3 girls. I saw pain in their faces when I fucked them ........... Now I am with my fourth girl and she has not penetration problems at all. My question is: why does she not have any pain problems with my cock? .......The ones who have pain problems are not aroused or interested in having sex with you. The fourth girl is.

I would stick with the fourth girl, if I was you.

[GoodEnough]

If you're making fun of me at least write to understand better.His writing was perfectly clear.

[GoodEnough]

I guess the first three are post ops and the last is a genuine girl.Huts, I'm still betting this guy is sitting in a lonely room somewhere struggling to make someone in cyberspace believe him. My best bet is that the guy has never actually had sex.

GE.

[WestCoast1]

Huts, I'm still betting this guy is sitting in a lonely room somewhere struggling to make someone in cyberspace believe him. My best bet is that the guy has never actually had sex.

GE.Besty: Prove them wrong. Take and post a selfie of you and one of your hotties near any Davao landmark. Feel free to redact the heads or fuzz the faces.

(Have the girl hold the camera while you're inspecting her teeth).

[Member #4566]

"Just walk a mile in his mocassins before you abuse, criticize and accuse. " Mary Lathrap 1895.

I am surprised at you boys ganging up on this guy. You have no idea about this person.

[Member #4558]

The ones who have pain problems are not aroused or interested in having sex with you. The fourth girl is.

I would stick with the fourth girl, if I was you.And you still haven't understood he is a troll?

[Pute Nut]

You have no idea about this person.I have an idea, and it is that he is someone sucking my energy and time. He can have his fantasy on a private blog, when he's trolling here he deserves what he gets.

[Member #4558]

"Just walk a mile in his mocassins before you abuse, criticize and accuse. " Mary Lathrap 1895.

I am surprised at you boys ganging up on this guy. You have no idea about this person.He does the same routine over and over again. He's been given loads of chances to prove us wrong providing pics (his own pics), infact any solid evidence he actually been here and not home in moms basement but he failes. All his writing is jibber jabberished rubbish which you even don't have to google up to find. Language barriers arent that greta between Italy (where he is from) and the englishspeaking parts of the world. He writes and understands the world like a 12 year old(no offence to 12 year olds out there). He even tries to come forward as a man of the world. I guess you haven't read his rubbish from what he pretends to be from Indonesia? And lastly when goodhearted BMs actually provides him information / help, he starts to argue them. That pretty much sums it up I guess. But by all means help the kid out, its a free world after all.. just saying.

[FreebieFan]

Hello friends,

I hope not all you are idiotic and somebody can reply me.



Thanks for some info.Sorry mate, yes we are all " idiotic " . We are idiotic here, and on the other boards where you posed the inane, daft, nonsense question " how can I tell if a filipina is more horny than an indonesian ".

Enough. Go and get a life please, and leave us idiots alone.

[Hutsori]

"Just walk a mile in his mocassins before you abuse, criticize and accuse. " Mary Lathrap 1895.

I am surprised at you boys ganging up on this guy. You have no idea about this person.And why hasn't he walked a mile in our flip flops?

Please, re-read his posts and think of the questions he's asked so far. At best ... at best! ... they are astonishingly childish. No one but an 11-year-old lad could be so naive. This is why I've concluded he's trolling the forum, and even wrote this before. Personally, the absurdity amuses me, which is why I respond in kind. For the sniggers and chuckles.

[Mua Tur]

I stole her password in Facebook and I saw she had around 2000 friends but 80% females and 20% males. I read also many of her messages and I noticed when a boy asked her to meet her she sopped to talk with him. She spoke with them above all to find a work or to do an interview to work. She is a regular girl who gave me everything of her in short time. ...........................Great if you can live in your happy world. Don't try to find how many more fb (s) she have or what more apps she is using in her smart phone or how many smart phones she uses. Your ability to live in your own world is precious. Some apps easily can be operated with changing the sims only. Happy hunt.

[WestCoast1]

Great if you can live in your happy world. Don't try to find how many more fb (s) she have or what more apps she is using in her smart phone or how many smart phones she uses. Your ability to live in your own world is precious. Some apps easily can be operated with changing the sims only. Happy hunt.He seems to have found a measure of happiness. All the best, Besty.

[Mr Hawaii]

My trip in Davao is finishing and I'd like to post my last writings about Davao girls. I did not believe to meet a such wonderful girl really, also because many of you believe that almost all girls are pros or freelancers. My girlfriend was a regular girl who decided to live with me in my apartment in Davao for 10 days. It means I make a good homework at home before to meet her. Now I have not her anymore and I miss her.Yes you are old enough to know what you want. I was in your position also; found a girl, in Davao, not unlike yours. A virgin, she comes into my hotel room, grabs a tissue, and starts dusting the furniture. What a gem! There have been others to, one in Thailand. For whatever reason, I guess I was not ready. Now that I'm over 60, like you, I sometimes think about the ones that got away. Never mind what some of these guys are saying. Geez, go for what makes YOU happy. You are not here to please other mongers. If you WANT to get married, do it. It will work if you WANT it to work. Wish you the best.

[Mua Tur]

He seems to have found a measure of happiness. All the best, Besty.I feel pity myself why I don't. I know what the girls doing behind me, but accepted and I know they are doing same as I do.

[FreebieFan]

But are you thinking really I am so unprepared and incompetent at my age? I fucked in every place in the world, even in west Papua. I'm 60 years old dear, I'm not young. I'm also prepared to your allegations. Ahahaha."Many small brains here. Ahahahah But are all you thinking really I am so unprepared and incompetent at my age? I fucked in every place in the world, even in west Papua. I'm 60 years old dear, I'm not young. I'm also prepared to your allegations. Ahahaha. " This quote was taken from another web site, where he posted the question " why do some girls show pain in pussy and others don't ". He received 812 replies to this question, mostly asking him if hes a girl in disguise.

[Hutsori]

But are you thinking really I am so unprepared and incompetent at my age? Yes.


I fucked in every place in the world, even in west Papua. Ho-hum. I fucked Mrs Headhunting Cannibal and then was chased by Mr Headhunting Cannibal and his machete wielding brothers, uncles, and mates. To escape I ate an albino and became invisible. Added bonus: cured my AIDS.


I'm 60 years old dear,Dear??? I only see that word in DIA messages from the penis ladies.


He received 812 replies to this question, mostly asking him if hes a girl in disguise.
Hahaha


Besty, I'm happy to read you enjoyed your travels and I wish you many more cuddles.

[D Cups]

To escape I ate an albino and became invisible. .Huts, did you really eat a whole albino? My God, man, that is the most incredible thing I have ever heard!

[Hutsori]

Huts, did you really eat a whole albino? My God, man, that is the most incredible thing I have ever heard!Right, ain't it? Back then I didn't know much about eating albinos - just the well-known fact they made you bulletproof, which didn't address my immediate need, and the invisibility and AIDS curing was more urban legend. What choice did I have? So better safe (and invisible) than sorry (and visible). I've since learnt that you if you stew for 72 hours the potency increases, so you don't need to eat as much. Of course, one needs to consider one's own height and weight; it's kind of like liquor in a way. Since I was being chased by enraged headhunters I didn't have the time to stew for that many hours. Nowadays I plan and start preparing my albino meals days ahead of time. Live and learn.

[D Cups]

Thanks for the good belly laugh, Huts! I hope we can can have a beer sometime. Next October I'll be bouncing around Manila, Cebu, Dumaguete, Angeles and Subic.


Right, ain't it? Back then I didn't know much about eating albinos - just the well-known fact they made you bulletproof, ..

[Hutsori]

Thanks for the good belly laugh, Huts! I hope we can can have a beer sometime.
.You wouldn't happen to be an albino, would ya? They're tough to find around here. I feel my powers have been weakening.

[GoodEnough]

You wouldn't happen to be an albino, would ya? They're tough to find around here. I feel my powers have been weakening.Just a passing thought Huts, but maybe BH is an albino, and kept out of sight for fear of being boiled up.

[Omega 3]

Asawako has a conference in Davao City later this month, and I'll tag along since I haven't seen Davao in about a decade. Am planning to "break away" for at least one dinner on my own. Have reviewed several websites and have a list of possible restaurants, which all seem to be more or less equally highly rated.

My question to our resident Davao experts: if you could choose only one restaurant for dinner anywhere in Davao City, which one would you choose?

I enjoy all types of cuisine, and budget is not an issue. Would appreciate a post or pm with your personal fave or recommendation.

Thanks in advance!

OM.

[GoodEnough]

Asawako has a conference in Davao City later this month, and I'll tag along since I haven't seen Davao in about a decade. Am planning to "break away" for at least one dinner on my own. Have reviewed several websites and have a list of possible restaurants, which all seem to be more or less equally highly rated.

My question to our resident Davao experts: if you could choose only one restaurant for dinner anywhere in Davao City, which one would you choose?

I enjoy all types of cuisine, and budget is not an issue. Would appreciate a post or pm with your personal fave or recommendation.

Thanks in advance!

OM.For me, it's an easy choice, and I recommend Bon Appétit which is a reasonably authentic French bistro-type restaurant. My alternative would be De Bonte Koe on Rizal St. , owned and operated by Henny, a Dutch guy. I think he's got the best steaks ibn town and he's a very personable, likeable guy. The menu also has some interesting Dutch dishes and some home made deep dish Dutch apple pie which is quite good. The White House, which is not heavily advertised, is probably the most elegant restaurant in the city, and features Japanese / French fusion, which sounds a bit strange probably, but they do make it work. The place is beautiful. Bondi and Burke also just opened a restaurant here, which is more or less of an Australian steak house. The place is beautifully done, but I found it way too noisy and I thought the wine list offered poor selections, so I likely won't return. A lot of folks also like Claude's Café which I find way over priced in terms of quality, but again it's quite an attractive place. I'd recommend taking a companion to all of the aforementioned as I don't think it would be a lot of fun spending (by local standards) a lot of money while dining alone at any of them. But that's my opinion and you may feel differently.

If you want some excellent European-style sausages and a much more informal atmosphere, you might also want to consider Swiss Deli. It's not at all elegant though it's clean and comfortable, but it's got a good selection of beer, a great selection of wines, and excellent European cheeses, antipasto and sausages.

Davao is prospering now and thus inevitably, the traffic is ever worsening. As you don't mention where you're staying, I've mentioned the most popular restaurants for expats. However where you stay could determine what's most appropriate for you. If you want to PM me for more details, please feel free to do so.

GE.

[Omega 3]

For me, it's an easy choice, and I recommend Bon Appetit which is a reasonably authentic French bistro-type restaurant.

My alternative would be De Bonte Koe on Rizal St. , owned and operated by Henny, a Dutch guy. *** The White House, which is not heavily advertised, is probably the most elegant restaurant in the city, and features Japanese / French fusion. The place is beautiful. ***

GE.Thank you GE, and thanks also, RK.

You are both gentlemen and scholars and epicures!

For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. Oh well, not to complain, Filipinas have so many other charming and endearing qualities!

A few years ago, met an empathetic Japanese middle-aged lady expat in Hong Kong. A friend of a friend. We used to enjoy sharing a leisurely meal and a couple of bottles of wine on lazy afternoons up at Knutsford Terrace, just viewing the rest of the world busily walking by.

I will definitely look forward to savoring "Bon Appetit" in Davao.

OM.

[Red Kilt]

For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

I suggest you go alone and just enjoy the epicurean experience, and then transfer your focus to mongering. Don't mix them up.

"Peaceful" is not a word for filipinos. There has to be loud music.

"Pleasant wine" means something sweet.

"Good food" can mean anything as long as it's fast and includes white rice.

[WestCoast1]

Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

"Pleasant wine" means something sweet.If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".


For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, you will find numerous of his posts where he invited Davao girls (or he flew / bussed in Cebuanas and other province girls) to those very restos GE mentioned for a fine meal, only to have the girl completely misunderstand the meaning of fine dining. "Next time we can Jollibee?" Or after ordering an expensive bottle of wine from the hotel and up to his room and giving the girl some: "Next time we Red Horse?" Oh, my. Also, taking a long time to sit and enjoy the experience is not in her fiber; she will scarf down her food and then roll her eyes the entire time (wondering why the eff you are making her sit there). Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.

[Slippery]

These girls have so much culture, don't they?

[Wicked Roger]

If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, you will find numerous of his posts where he invited Davao girls (or he flew / bussed in Cebuanas and other province girls) to those very restos GE mentioned for a fine meal, only to have the girl completely misunderstand the meaning of fine dining. "Next time we can Jollibee?" Or after ordering an expensive bottle of wine from the hotel and up to his room and giving the girl some: "Next time we Red Horse?" Oh, my. Also, taking a long time to sit and enjoy the experience is not in her fiber; she will scarf down her food and then roll her eyes the entire time (wondering why the eff you are making her sit there). Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.If Aussie say "Jacobs Creek" and then they may suggest it is not sweet enough LOL.

You forget Westie the other issue of fine dining. The use of the mobile while eating and after scoffing it down fast, using both hands to play games / chat on Facebook etc.

And if you bring another friend to dinner Westie surely a gentleman (like myself and others we know) would want to have the cutie for a 3 some dessert? Well some of us would (and have!

[GoodEnough]

For me, a perfect afternoon is several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine. Undoubtedly, there are many Filipinas who truly share this view, and who really appreciate a bottle of decent wine, but I just haven't yet met one. Oh well, not to complain, Filipinas have so many other charming and endearing qualities!
OM.I see that you and I have similar views of perfection, so you must be a man of impeccable taste! 😏.

The generalizations drawn in recent posts about the inability of Filipinas to appreciate, or even enjoy good French food and wine while accurate, are somewhat misleading. If you go the Bon Appétit on a typical Saturday night, you would notice that most of the clientele is Filipino and I'm guessing that about 75% of the client base--that is, regular patrons--is Filipino as well. The difference is that the Filipinos who go there are generally very well off, well educated, well traveled, and thoroughly acclimated to good food, good wine, and a more European dining experience that values social intercourse and a relaxed ambience. It's unfair to compare these relatively sophisticated Filipinos with the less educated, less worldly girls one would take there from the provinces. Not only would they feel uncomfortable, but they would likely provoke some discomfort from their date and even from other patrons.

Dragon Slayer's mistakes--and I was present for most of them--derived from his assumption that these ladies would be impressed by the atmosphere and would adapt quickly to it. Of course exactly the opposite proved true: they had no idea what the items on the menu were, had never really drunk wine, were totally uncomfortable and out of place and thus drew some fairly disapproving looks from other patrons, no from the owners of the restaurant. A good meal for two at Bon Appétit, including decent wine, costs Php4,500-5,500 and to me it's simply absurd to spend this much on someone who would have been happier drinking Red Horse and eating pancit.

GE.

[FreebieFan]

Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om.

I suggest you go alone and just enjoy the epicurean experience, and then transfer your focus to mongering. Don't mix them up.

"Peaceful" is not a word for filipinos. There has to be loud music.

"Pleasant wine" means something sweet.

"Good food" can mean anything as long as it's fast and includes white rice.OMG where's the LIKE LIKE LIKE button. We need one. Great post RK and oh sooooooo true.

[Jambo]

Returned to Davao in Feb, have not been there in two years.

Grab Taxi.

Victory Liner Pasay to NAIA Terminal 4; 96 p + 40 p = 136, easy going over. Coming back, my phone would not get enough signal for Grab, so I had to take a taxi from the airport to Victory for 250 p.

Grab has seats and a Kiosk at NAIA Terminal 4, I have heard some of the kiosks have helpers who can reserve a Grab car for you.

Grab has ad banners in Davao airport and it says they are in Cebu as well. Taxi stickers also tout a local app called TaxiLink that I did not use. I have also seen Grab website say they are in Dumaguete, Bacolod, and there is anecdotal evidence they are in Angeles City.

In Davao I used Grab a couple of times just to try it. Worked well near the main streets except, at night, pay attention to the number of the taxi that is coming. I jumped in a random taxi thinking it was my Grab. The number they give you, sometimes its the plate number, sometimes it's the side number of the taxi! In a more distant neighborhood, Grab could not get me a taxi.

Davao City.

Electricity. Still some issues, on Sunday the power was up and down several times.

Traffic. Is slow during rush hours, but reasonable other times. An APEC 50 conference in the center of town did not make it much worse.

Comms. Davao has 4G data everywhere outdoors! I want to move here just for that.

Davao Stores.

Victoria Square. This was the first mall in Davao, and my first place to cruise chicks outside Manila. Its still there.

Interesting sports department sells.

Airsoft gear: helmets, masks, pouches, vests, boots, camise.

Ladies wear: sexy panties, bikinis about 800 p, coin belly dancing outfits.

Abreeza Mall.

Condo construction continues here.

Robinson's store: Girls bikini's 700-900 p but some on sale for about 400 p.

TGIF is still the only bar in Abressa, and they still do not have cable sports!

A good looking Middle Eastern restaurant near the food court.

SM Lanang.

On the back side, next to the "dancing fountains", the Aussie bar that was here is gone, and so there are no "bars" in this mall. There are several nice restos on the back side, including:

Vikings buffet $$.

Mesa.

A cheap Korean BBQ buffet called Kogi-O.

Gaisano. A big name in malls throughout the Visayans. Did you know there are two different "Gaisano" companies building shopping malls? And to confuse you even more, there are three "Gaisano" malls in Davao City:

Central Gaisano. Largest, large restaurant area on the roof called "The Peak". Seems to be waning in popularity. No bars here, but still a decent place to meet girls.

Midtown Gaisano. Oldest one, mostly used stuff.

Gaisano South. Newest one.

Davao Hotels. I noted some new places.

North End.

GoHotels Lanang. Close to highway, but wrong side if you are going to town. Cheap restaurants nearby.

Sumo Asian Hotels Damosa. Could walk to bar and restaurants, and SM Lanang.

Elena. Lanang next to highway. I remember they had good Wifi, decent restaurant, no pool, not much TV. About 2,300 p w / bfast.

Drifters. Pool, ok Wifi, breakfast and laundry avail. Fridge and stove. The restaurant and bar are being renovated. Rooms are very large and kitchenettes are included. Very quiet area. About 1,300 p / night.

Abreeza is also building a beachfront resort in Lanang near Insular Hotel.

Central.

Red Planet Hotels. Not far from Abrezza Mall, on the highway.

South End.

Casa Leticia Business Inn. South end of town near Ecoland bus terminal. Location in Trip Advisor is wrong. Clean room, ok Wifi. Restaurants. Decent price (1,240 p with bfast) for such a new place. Not close to much. Do not confuse with the older Casa Leticia downtown that all the drivers will assume you are going to. The courtyard is covered by tin roof so maybe noisy in the rain.

Davao Clubs. Pretty good time here, and it helped that there were cool breezes at night. People in Davao go to clubs late 10 pm, they go with a group, and they buy beer in buckets.

Brick Lane Square. Downtown near Gaisano mall. Polo Street past F Torres Street. Taxi's don't know this place, start down Pedro "Heel" street (Pedro Gil), use Google navigation.

A few interesting places outside the square, one Japanese noodle restaurant was crowded, another bar (Bureaucracy) offered beer for 45 p, buckets 350 p.

Inside Bricklane Square, is a central semi-outdoor seating area with a stage, surrounded by indoor / outdoor restobars.

Business Class. Live music inside.

Runway Sports Bar. Great sound system with a DJ. Too loud to talk. Three big TVs with sports on. Most items on menu 300 p or less. Beer 90 p.

Funny story, my bill was 118 p, I left 120 in bills and another 10 p coin = 130 p and the bartender says "But sir, your bill is only 118 p!" I said "Its a tip dude!" Maybe I spoiled them?

Dark barakz. Trying to look hip with trendy lights and lower case letters.

Red Finest. Beer 50 p.

Junkyard.

Others.

Live music outside starts at 930 pm. The performance I saw was pleasant, young, hip, reasonable sound volume.

This area has a bar vibe. If you walked around the blocks outside, you should find more bars.

Matina Town Square. South end of town near NCCC mall. Several restobars surround a large covered courtyard with a large stage at the end. Nice music here, oldies rock, not too loud so sit close.

Fusion BBQ Place at Matina. Ok bbq but I got one of their "signature" platters, it was a few small pieces of beef and pork with toothpicks, on a large bed of puffed rice chips! I mean if a place says they have "Fusion" food, I expect a little more effort than that.

The Reggae Grill on F Torres that you see in Google maps is closed.

Metro Station. F Torres.

Music at 9 pm, 30 p cover charge, beer 50 p. Nice music and vib. A young man was in love with one of the singers and jumped on the stage, his buddies had to drag him out.

There are now several French restaurants in Davao City.

Prime Square. F Torres street has several restaurants, and an unusual showbar.

De Boerderij (the Farm) restobar on the South side, near NCCC Mall is still there. Many expats there so a good place for info if you think to move here. Sports on TV. Swiss Deli has opened a restaurant nearby.

Davao Transportation.

Airport. Not terribly crowded.

200 p terminal fee.

Cebu Pacific has flights Davao to Singapore.

Van Terminals at.

Gaisano (midtown).

SM City Ecoland.

Big Bus terminal at Ecoland.

There are new City buses at Robinsons Abrezza labeled "Davao Metro Shuttle". Nice, small air con buses to Tagum and Digos. Tagum fare is 100 p.

Taxi's are cheap. Go from the South end of Davao city to the north for about 200 p. Grab worked some. Drivers put the meter on every time. Most were respectful but poor with English. One guy spoke English well and got way too familiar with questions: "where you from, when do you go back, you girl is so young, where is she from, you want ydada". Even saying "That's enough" would not shut him up. I made a big show of taking a pic of his license.

Bonus report:

Digos City South of Davao.

Skytrak bar is closed.

Arnaldo's Hotel is nice 900-1200 p.

872 Rizal Ave.

Van goes by it. Good water pressure, hot water, Chickens and pigs, dogs, but Not much traffic noise. Pool. Bfast ok.

WiFI ok - 48 ms ping, 0. 38 Mbps upload, 0. 03 Mbps down.

Two Gaisano malls.

Gaisano Grand Mall is now the old one.

GMall is not far and new, still filling out. Nice view of some strip-mining on the mountains!

Met an expat there who lives in Digos.

Security Situation.

Not much changed. There was a big conference in town, but I only saw increased security on the street near the conference. On the road South of town, going to Davao, there is a checkpoint and you have to have your bag inspected. This has been in place a long time. Mall security wants you to remove your hat and sunglasses.

Photos uploaded:

Grab kiosk SM Lanang.

De Boerderij near NCCC Mall.

The Peak at Gaisano Central.

Music at Bricklane Square.

Tsing Tao Promo Girls at Bricklane.

Music at Matina Town Square.

Music at Metro Station F Torres.

View from New Gaisano Digos.

[Omega 3]

Filipinas who would enjoy an experience of "several leisurely hours in a peaceful setting, savoring good food and a bottle or two of pleasant wine" are as rare as rocking horse manure Om..Ha ha ha. Thank you, RK, spot on. Beauty, mate.

But, brought to mind the following demented vignette:

*Fade In.

Court of the Red King. Side view. Red King, with magnificent gold crown, resplendent on elevated throne at screen right, facing left. Courtiers in fancy colorful dress standing at far side of Alpha. Alpha, simply dressed in plain tunic and breeches, in front of and below the Red King's throne.

Alpha: But where, your Majesty?

Red King: My fine young fellow, get thee to the farthest reaches of the lands of mighty King Philip, the Prince of Asturias. Once there, journey to the fair city of Daba-Daba in the Bagobo region, and seek out an audience with the great wooden horse. Then, just wait until the great wooden horse p**pos.

Alpha: There's no use my trying, your Majesty. One can't believe impossible things.

Zoom in. Angle to full face view of Red King.

Red King: Tut, tut, my fine young friend. Nothing is impossible. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. Cabbages and kings. Oranges growing on apple trees and apples growing on orange trees. Apples and oranges.

Fade Out.

What? Hold on, come again what's that about apples and oranges?

Omega.

P.S. Am definitely looking forward to peacefully enjoying the fine food and wine in the French bistro in Davao. Have no intention whatsoever of bringing a jejeune pinay to the French bistro. Not my style, and would impede my peaceful enjoyment of fine food and wine. However, reportedly, not all pinays are jejeune or would be out of place in a fine French bistro. Apples and oranges. Ha ha ha. "Sante"!

[Jack Burton]

If you are American, read "Boone's Farm" or "Ripple".

And you're probably not going to. I'm with RK. Go thru DragonSlayer's forum, ... Invite one of your good gringo friends to enjoy the meal with you (leave the girl in your hotel room if you trust her, she will much more enjoy the telenova experience), then nap, then ph*ck the girl.Although Boone's Farm is still with us, sadly Ripple and Thunderbird have gone away to the great sweet winery in the sky. Try instead MD 20/20 (commonly known as Mad Dog) or Night Train Express (commonly known as Night Train). Mad Dog was 20% alcohol while Night Train tips in at 17.5% alcohol. Fred Sanford (aka Redd Fox) a fine garbage man and wine kind of a sewer (pronounced Connie sewer). Boone's Farm (many varieties) is all less than 10% alcohol (note that 20/20 is no longer at 20%, and only the original flavor is at 18%.

For an opposing view:

As majestic as the cascading waters of a drain pipe, MD 20/20 is bottled by the 20/20 wine company in Westfield, New York. This is a good place to start for the street wine rookie, but beware; this dog has a bite to back up its bark. MD Stands for Mogen David, and is affectionately called "Mad Dog 20/20". You'll find this beverage as often in a bum's nest as in the rock quarry where the high school kids sneak off to drink. This beverage is likely the most consumed by non-bums, but that doesn't stop any bums from drinking it! Our research indicates that MD 20/20 is the best of the bum wines at making you feel warm inside. Some test subjects report a slight numbing agent in MD 20/20, similar to the banana paste that the dentist puts in your mouth before injecting it with novacaine. Anyone that can afford a dentist should steer clear of this disaster. Available in various nauseating tropical flavors that coat your whole system like bathtub scum, but only the full "Red Grape Wine" flavor packs the 18% wallop.

Liquor stores are starting to be infiltrated by a 13% variety of MD 20/20 Red Grape. There is also a new "Blue Raspberry" flavor with "BLING BLING". Even the lowest functioning of bums will know not to get swindled out of 5%.

As for expensive fine wines from places like France, Italy, or California, Fred Sanford said it best: "It'll never take the place of Sterno. ".

[Jack Burton]

If Aussie say "Jacobs Creek" and then they may suggest it is not sweet enough LOL.

You forget Westie the other issue of fine dining. The use of the mobile while eating and after scoffing it down fast, using both hands to play games / chat on Facebook etc.

And if you bring another friend to dinner Westie surely a gentleman (like myself and others we know) would want to have the cutie for a 3 some dessert? Well some of us would (and have!If from the UK, think White Ace rather than Buckfast, as Buckfast, at 400 php a bottle, is just too darned expensive. White Ace, at 175 php for 3 liters, hits the Jollibee price mark.

Even better than Jollibees: Just buy dinner from any random food vendor. The Filipina will be impressed by your knowledge and willingness to eat what she eats, and I've always had good luck with my freelance food purchases. Word: street Viagra is more reliable than street Cialis. Last word; Do NOT, under any circumstances, buy "alcohol" from a street vendor in Russia. Trust me on this.

[Red Kilt]

If from the UK, think White Ace rather than Buckfast, as Buckfast, at 400 php a bottle, is just too darned expensive. White Ace, at 175 php for 3 liters, hits the Jollibee price mark.

Even better than Jollibees: Just buy dinner from any random food vendor. The Filipina will be impressed by your knowledge and willingness to eat what she eats, and I've always had good luck with my freelance food purchases. Word: street Viagra is more reliable than street Cialis. Last word; Do NOT, under any circumstances, buy "alcohol" from a street vendor in Russia. Trust me on this.Wow Jack you have given us a somewhat jumbled and disconnected international tour on the little old Southern Philippines aka Davao thread.

I will remember not to buy alcohol on the street in Russia when I next get away from Davao.

[Omega 3]

The generalizations drawn in recent posts about the inability of Filipinas to appreciate, or even enjoy good French food and wine while accurate, are somewhat misleading. If you go the Bon Appetit on a typical Saturday night, you would notice that most of the clientele is Filipino and I'm guessing that about 75% of the client base--that is, regular patrons--is Filipino as well. The difference is that the Filipinos who go there are generally very well off, well educated, well traveled, and thoroughly acclimated to good food, good wine, and a more European dining experience that values social intercourse and a relaxed ambience. It's unfair to compare these relatively sophisticated Filipinos with the less educated, less worldly girls one would take there from the provinces.

GE.Clearly and well stated, GE.

It's not just in Davao City that this is increasingly apparent. Unfortunately, some Westerners apparently would prefer not to see or to cognize this upscale and growing segment of Philippines society. Today, there are Internationally Certified Wine Sommeliers who are Filipino / Filipina. There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

Have several Filipino friends who have lovely Filipina girl friends who in turn enjoy and are quite knowledgeable about fine wines.

And I'm not talking about Novellino.

OM.

[Hutsori]

There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. The current manager, Edouard Miailhe, is the son of William Alain Miailhe de Burgh, who was tied up in some legal wranglings over the fate of Manila's semi-derelict Burke Building, the country's first elevator building, which preservationists wanted to protect from demolition.

How did they come to be connected to the Philippines? Through the English trading house (now merchant bank) Boustead and Company whose Manila agent Benjamin Butler was managing the local affairs in the 1840's. He married a woman named Margarita Somes and they had one child, a daughter named Victoria Carlotta. She married Dr John Burke (emigrated from Galway, Ireland and a descendant of the Burkes of Clanricarde) in 1868 - that's where the Burke Building gets its name because it was named in honour of the Manila doctor. They had four children, and it seems all were sent to Europe for their studies, for example Trinity College, Dublin. The three sons died childless; one son returned to Manila to practice medicine and he died here in 1946. The sole daughter, Mary, inherited the Butler-Burke family fortune and married Ferdinand Desbarats (a wine merchant family) of Bordeaux, France. They bought Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou, which was later sold. They had one daughter, Victoria Charlotte, who married a Miailhe and mothered William Alain Miailhe de Burgh. With Victoria's wealth the Miailhe family was able to expand its chateau holdings.

Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.

[GoodEnough]

That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. The current manager, Edouard Miailhe, is the son of William Alain Miailhe de Burgh, who was tied up in some legal wranglings over the fate of Manila's semi-derelict Burke Building, the country's first elevator building, which preservationists wanted to protect from demolition.

How did they come to be connected to the Philippines? Through the English trading house (now merchant bank) Boustead and Company whose Manila agent Benjamin Butler was managing the local affairs in the 1840's. He married a woman named Margarita Somes and they had one child, a daughter named Victoria Carlotta. She married Dr John Burke (emigrated from Galway, Ireland and a descendant of the Burkes of Clanricarde) in 1868 - that's where the Burke Building gets its name because it was named in honour of the Manila doctor. They had four children, and it seems all were sent to Europe for their studies, for example Trinity College, Dublin. The three sons died childless; one son returned to Manila to practice medicine and he died here in 1946. The sole daughter, Mary, inherited the Butler-Burke family fortune and married Ferdinand Desbarats (a wine merchant family) of Bordeaux, France. They bought Chateau Ducru-Beaucaillou, which was later sold. They had one daughter, Victoria Charlotte, who married a Miailhe and mothered William Alain Miailhe de Burgh. With Victoria's wealth the Miailhe family was able to expand its chateau holdings.

Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.Thanks for the history Huts. I had no idea that one of my favorite Chateaux has a Filipino connection. I just assumed, to the extent I might have thought about it at all, that it was French-owned and operated.

GE.

[GoodEnough]

I'm a wine lover and a (strictly amateur) oenophile, but I know Filipinos here in Davao--my asawa included--who know at least as much and possibly more than I do about French and Italian reds.

I often compare the wine knowledge situation here to that of the US when I was growing up. At that time, few Americans, of my parents' generation traveled abroad for business or pleasure, and the wine knowledge of even reasonably well educated American families was limited. All that my parents knew was that "red went with meat" and "white went with fish," and that generalization represented the extent of the wine knowledge of most of my friends' parents as well.

Skip ahead to my generation, which started to travel extensively to international destinations, and the love for and knowledge about wines has increased exponentially, so that my kids--who visited Europe often with me as children--grew up with wine and as adults drink it often and can differentiate among various AOC'S and vineyards. The upper middle and upper class kids here who are roughly the same age as my children, have traveled widely, often been educated abroad, and have developed a real appreciation for wines, as contrasted to their parents who know very little. Even here in provincial Davao, I have several places from which I can purchase a large variety of European and "New World" wines at a broad spectrum of price levels.

PS - I guess I lived too long in France, but I'm just not a big fan of Australian, or North or South American wines.
GE.


Clearly and well stated, GE.

It's not just in Davao City that this is increasingly apparent. Unfortunately, some Westerners apparently would prefer not to see or to cognize this upscale and growing segment of Philippines society. Today, there are Internationally Certified Wine Sommeliers who are Filipino / Filipina. There is even a Filipino-owned vineyard in Bordeaux, the internationally recognized Chateau Siran (with a 200+ acre estate).

Have several Filipino friends who have lovely Filipina girl friends who in turn enjoy and are quite knowledgeable about fine wines.

And I'm not talking about Novellino.

OM.

[Omega 3]

That's the Miailhe family, which was once also a part owner of Chateau Palmer and involved in whole or in part with several others such as Pichon Longueville Lalande, names which to an oenophile are big deals. ***
Though the family has had long trade and business ties with the country, I think it's a bit of stretch to call them a Filipino family. It's certainly much less so than the Ayala-Zobels. Nevertheless, all the intersections of these different nationalities (English, Anglo-Norman Irish, French, and Filipino, with likely a bit of Spanish and maybe even Chinese on the Somes's side) in Manila makes for an interesting history.Thank you, Monsieur Huts, for your kind correction and fascinating history of this illustrious family's long-standing connections to the Philippines.

If memory serves, there is even a Philippines flag flying at the entrance to Chateau Siran, just across from the EU flag.

OM.

[Omega 3]

I'm a wine lover and a (strictly amateur) oenophile, but I know Filipinos here in Davao--my asawa included--who know at least as much and possibly more than I do about French and Italian reds.

I often compare the wine knowledge situation here to that of the US when I was growing up. At that time, few Americans, of my parents' generation traveled abroad for business or pleasure, and the wine knowledge of even reasonably well educated American families was limited. All that my parents knew was that "red went with meat" and "white went with fish,"*** .One of my early favorite films was "From Russia with Love" (early 60's). Sean Connery was the quintessential James Bond (although Daniel Craig may be the most faithful to Ian Fleming's original fictional character). There is a classic line in part of the immortal train scene in From Russia With Love where James Bond "outs" villain Robert Shaw, by inferring that no true Englishman would order red wine with fish!

Davao City sounds like a mini wine mecca. Truth be told, I usually drink SM Pilsen (with ice, yet) in many places in the Philippines. Fewer pesky problems with storage and "maderization", not to mention the relatively poor selections and comparatively high prices of wine here. Will definitely sample a bottle or two of wine when in Davao, though!

Sante'. (don't know how to type in the "accent aigu" here).

OM.

[Hutsori]

Thanks for the history Huts. I had no idea that one of my favorite Chateaux has a Filipino connection. I just assumed, to the extent I might have thought about it at all, that it was French-owned and operated.

GE.You're welcome. Some names give clues to the origins and ownership, such as Lynch-Bages (my favorite affordable grand cru claret) was founded by the Irish (Galway) Lynch family, more Irish links to Leoville-Barton, Dillon, Phelan Segur, Boyd-Cantenac, etc., and Talbot by an Anglo-Norman family - though English and Irish many have Norman origins. Of course ownership changes often. The Miailhe family's chateau is one the longest continuously held presently. The Japanese acquired several in '80s and '90s, and today it's the Chinese who own over 100 in France. Now 100 may seem like a lot, but there are about 7,400 in Bordeaux.

[GoodEnough]

Davao City sounds like a mini wine mecca. Truth be told, I usually drink SM Pilsen (with ice, yet) in many places in the Philippines. Fewer pesky problems with storage and "maderization", not to mention the relatively poor selections and comparatively high prices of wine here. Will definitely sample a bottle or two of wine when in Davao, though!

Sante'. (don't know how to type in the "accent aigu" here).

OM.I don't want to oversell the wine availability, and I didn't mean to suggest that decent wine selections are ubiquitous here. The best selection by far is at Swiss Deli on Lanang. There's a wine cellar on the bottom floor, with a broad selection of wines ranging from about Php500 to Php20,000 and pretty much all price points in between. Bon Appétit has a decent selection, though not nearly as broad as Swiss Deli, and it's mark-ups are significantly higher. If you want the cheapest wine prices in town, there's a small wine store just off Torres St. That has the best prices I've found here and a surprisingly good selection of Bordeaux. I forget the name, but if you want it, PM me and I'll dig it out. I mostly drink the good stuff at home, and I drink mostly French Bordeaux, Burgundies and a few Beaujolais. Most of my wines I've bought from Swiss Deli, though Yves, the proprietor of Bon Appétit has gotten me a few bottles from his supplier (LE Cellier) in Manila. I've also bought some nice, aged Chiantis from the wine store to which I referred earlier, as well as a couple of Siran. Bottled wines. My favorite wine in general, is a Margaux, and those I buy from Swiss Deli.

Somewhat surprisingly, at least for me, S&are, the gigantic warehouse store, has a very competitively priced Champagne section. It sells the Taittinger Rosé for about Php3,800 and the Brut for a few hundred pesos less. It also has Veuve Cliquot at about Php3,500 for the Brut. It doesn't have much of a selection of European reds or whites.

One lesson I've learned here is that many places that sell wines know little to nothing about appropriate storage, so it's important to take more than a cursory sniff before taking the first swallow. I've learned that the hard way and had a few unpleasant surprises as a result.

GE.

[StevieW]

My original plan was to go to Cebu after Camiguin, but whilst in Camiguin, I got contacted by R and decided to meet up with her in Davao instead. She's originally from Davao and I met her in Singapore a few years back, for those who know the place, at OT. I managed to get her number and we arranged the occasional meet ups whilst we were both in Singapore. She tells me she's going to be flying back to Davao on 23rd Feb, but then I'm supposed to be meeting a friend on 24th at 05.00 in Cebu airport. After some persuading are reschedules her flight for the 18th. So, after an evening of unsuccessful girly bar searching in Cagayan, I take the 6 am flight from Cagayan to Davao the next morning. I get to the Apo View hotel just after 8, check in, drug myself up to the eyeballs and go to bed, hoping that I'll feel better by the time are arrives. Original plan was that she'd pop home (Half hour outside Davao), drop off her bags and then come to the hotel around 6 ish, but then turns out her mom is cooking dinner for her. Sleep wasn't great so in the early evening I shower and then go out for a wander and some food. According to the forum, there was supposed to be a couple of Hot Legs bars around. But could I find them? No. Seemed like Cagayan again, just couldn't find anything despite the descriptions given.

Anyway, I get some food and head back to the hotel and have another nap. Are arrives around 8.30 and straight up to my room. She practically jumps on top of me whilst I'm still in bed; well it has been almost two and a half years since we last saw each other. Probably just as well I didn't get any action in Cagayan as this reunion started off with a great about of sex; BBBJ, DATY, cowgirl, reverse, doggy, mish. She's got great tits (not sure about size, maybe see cup?) for sucking on and it's great to see them swinging around when she's on top. Not quite what I needed to cure my cold, but very satisfying. She gives a great GFE and at the same time, doesn't really expect me to be her BF. Her FB status says she's in a relationship with someone (not a Filipino guy) but I've never asked her about that.

5 days with R, daily morning glory taken care of, bit of sightseeing or diving, back to the hotel for some shower sex, dinner and back to the hotel for a night time session before going to bed.

On her last night there, are takes me to a few clubs. First club was a Hot Legs club on Palma Gil Street. Unfortunately, it was a men only club, but they did suggest another of their Hot Legs a few blocks away. They tried to tout one of their trikes to take us there but instead we thought we'd try the club across the street. I don't remember the name of the club, but it's directly opposite Hot Legs. There's no fee to go in. I personally didn't find it that interesting there. They have a stage with one or sometimes two girls dancing. All the girls were average looking, not a single smile on their face. Are goes off to the toilets and when she comes back she tells me there's a private room at the back. She did tell also tell me what the prices of the LDs were but as I wasn't really interested in this place I didn't make a conscious effort to remember; sorry guys, I'm also going to blame my cold for not remembering. We finish our drink and decide to find the other Hot Legs. She wouldn't trust my sense of direction so it took us a lot longer to get there than it should have. It's next to My Hotel; yes the hotel is called "My Hotel", which is on San Pedro Street near the Pelayo Street junction. Again, no entry fee. They have quite a large room there with plenty of seating around, and quite a large stage at the front, they even had 6 dancers on the stage at one point. Even though the club wasn't full, there will still a lot of people there. We go and find a seat / table near the stage to watch the show. From what I could see from my local vicinity, the furniture was just shit; wooden boxes acting as tables and the couches were all in such a bad state, oh well, I didn't come here for the furniture. Seems that each dancer normally does three sets, first clothed, second in underwear, and third either topless or fully naked depending on the girl, but a few of the girls didn't do the 3rd set. Overall, some very hot dancers there, but there were some average looking girls, and one of them looked like she was in her late 30's! There were also about 15 or so girls milling around. These girls do not dance and they are there just to sit with the customers, clients, pervs, whatever you want to call them. After 5 minutes or so, one of these girls takes a seat at the end of our couch. She's quite plain looking with average body. Are is sitting between us and she manages to get a little info about their pay. LDs are 150 and the girls get 50 pesos from this. Dancers get paid 240, or 600 if they do the 3rd set. Again, there was mention of a private room, but generally private rooms don't interest me and I didn't make a note of the price. Nothing was mentioned about being able to take the girls out, but I think I read somewhere that you could pay to do this at Hot Legs. I went to the smoking area which is upstairs and there's a couple of notices there referring to 10k fines. Not sure what the first one said as it was written in Filipino, but the other was about depositing their cell phones whilst on duty.

I had one more night after are left, and I went back to the first Hot Legs. Really can't understand why they stipulated men only. It's a much smaller place with smaller stage. Overall, girls are less attractive and they seem to be a lot pushier. As soon as I'the sat down, there were 5 girls swarming me. Didn't really like that so I told them to leave me and that I just wanted to sit alone for a while. Dancers only did two sets, with the second only showing their bras. For me, I didn't really find this place that entertaining.

I wish R had taken me to the clubs sooner. Even if the girls couldn't be barfined, I did enjoy the shows, and if they could, I had a feeling that R would have been up for a threesome. Actually, trip would have been even better if I didn't have a cold. It was a nice week, but sadly I won't be back. I only go to these places for diving and once I've been there I don't feel the need to come back considering there are so many other destinations. But then, there are still a lot of places in Philippines I haven't been to, so more research for other hot spots to visit in the future.

[Red Kilt]

<SNIP>

One lesson I've learned here is that many places that sell wines know little to nothing about appropriate storage, so it's important to take more than a cursory sniff before taking the first swallow. I've learned that the hard way and had a few unpleasant surprises as a result.
GE has hit the nail on the head with his statement that I just quoted.

There are a very small number of places in the PI that "specialize" in wine and the serious wine sellers (of which there are but a few) import their wine in temperature-controlled containers. I know this from my attendance at the Makati Cheese Club that meets at the Makati Polo Club. Top wines are served, and in my chats with the major wine outlet owners they tell me that getting their wine shipped properly at a constant temperature is the bane of their existence. Imagine a container sitting on a wharf or an airport apron for 12 or so hours in the Philippine tropical sun. The serious guys track their wine from cellar to port, even sending their own transport to get hold of the wine as soon as possible after arrival. I would expect that wine shipped to other ports in the Philippines (excluding Davao and Cebu) will have come through Manila and who knows what route it has taken after arrival.

Only the "A" section of society attends the MCC and only a small percentage of them have much knowledge of wine, so I think claims by earlier posters that many filipinos have well-developed wine palates is an exception that doesn't prove the rule. The buyers of the best wine are primarily foreigners and well-heeled A-class filipinos; those gfs and asawas who appreciate wine are always linked to foreigners and have been educated accordingly.

I know I have used "always" and "every" terms here which are a bit presumptuous given my empirical data comes from chats with wine sellers but remember there are 100 M people in the Philippines so 1000 pinoys with a wine nose represents a miniscule number in the whole scheme of things.

[Red Kilt]

<SNIP> Truth be told, I usually drink SM Pilsen (with ice, yet) in many places in the Philippines. Fewer pesky problems with storage and "maderization", not to mention the relatively poor selections and comparatively high prices of wine here. Stick to your old habits OM (have you tried SM Super Dry?)

I think it is the closest to the good Aussie beers that I have found here (with or without ice).

Good, well managed wine served in "real" restaurants (like Bon Appetit in Davao and Zuni in Greenbelt (there are others too)) is worth trying but only if you don't mind paying the premium price for such tipples.

[Ms Account]

My alternative would be De Bonte Koe on Rizal St. , owned and operated by Henny, a Dutch guy. .De Bonte Koe serve an excellent house wine at a cheap price per glass (160? But Henny would never tell me where the wine was from or the brand. Secret he said. Anyone had the inside info?

[GoodEnough]

De Bonte Koe serve an excellent house wine at a cheap price per glass (160? But Henny would never tell me where the wine was from or the brand. Secret he said. Anyone had the inside info?I think I do, but I'm not going to share his secret, as he's a good friend. I would disagree about the "excellence" however. It's an ordinary table wine (my opinion only) and I could show you two or three places in Davao where you could buy similar wine for about Php500 a bottle.

GE.

[Shining Wit]

Stick to your old habits OM (have you tried SM Super Dry?)

I think it is the closest to the good Aussie beers that I have found here (with or without ice).

Good, well managed wine served in "real" restaurants (like Bon Appetit in Davao and Zuni in Greenbelt (there are others too)) is worth trying but only if you don't mind paying the premium price for such tipples.Obviously the microbrewery revolution hasn't reached Davao yet.

The Bottle Shop in Magallanes has a wide variety of imported bottles and a surprisingly large number of local brews, bottled and draft. They also have a couple of other outlets, in Makati I think.

Of more relevance to members might be that G-Point serves its own house beers, both in the main bar and in the regular {non FL} bar around the corner in Adriatico St. Whwn I have been in the latter, any groups have been of uni / yuppy type Filipinos, so it may be that they have little idea what they are drinking but are happy to flash the cash!

[GoodEnough]

Obviously the microbrewery revolution hasn't reached Davao yet.

The Bottle Shop in Magallanes has a wide variety of imported bottles and a surprisingly large number of local brews, bottled and draft. They also have a couple of other outlets, in Makati I think.

Of more relevance to members might be that G-Point serves its own house beers, both in the main bar and in the regular {non FL} bar around the corner in Adriatico St. Whwn I have been in the latter, any groups have been of uni / yuppy type Filipinos, so it may be that they have little idea what they are drinking but are happy to flash the cash!I'm not much of a beer drinker, but I do know that you can buy a few imported beers--Stella Artois, Corona for example--in S&are in Davao. Swiss Deli also serves some German lager and dark beers, and I'm guessing that Bondi & Burke, under Australian ownership, might serve some Australian beer. But I don't know of any micro-brewed beers available here, which doesn't mean they don't exist.

GE.

[Red Kilt]

I don't know of any micro-brewed beers available here, which doesn't mean they don't exist. Here you go GE.

Not exactly Davao-specific but useful nevertheless.

I have tried the full range of Rogue's Ale (available at StockPile in Sapphire in Ortigas Center) and it's OK. Biggest problem with pinoy craft beers is the Quality Control.

Second problem is they are "outrageously expensive" relative to the tried and true SMB.

http://www.wheninmanila.com/5-philippine-microbreweries-changing-the-way-you-can-enjoy-beer/

http://www.spot.ph/eatdrink/the-latest-eat-drink/57593/top-10-must-try-local-craft-beers-in-manila

[GoodEnough]

Here you go GE.

Not exactly Davao-specific but useful nevertheless.

I have tried the full range of Rogue's Ale (available at StockPile in Sapphire in Ortigas Center) and it's OK. Biggest problem with pinoy craft beers is the Quality Control.

Second problem is they are "outrageously expensive" relative to the tried and true SMB.

http://www.wheninmanila.com/5-philippine-microbreweries-changing-the-way-you-can-enjoy-beer/

http://www.spot.ph/eatdrink/the-latest-eat-drink/57593/top-10-must-try-local-craft-beers-in-manilaThanks RK. I keep a few bottles of Stell around the fridge just in case I get the beer urge, but it's enough for me. As I said, I don't really like beer that much and so rarely indulge.

GE.

[Shining Wit]

Here you go GE.

Not exactly Davao-specific but useful nevertheless.

I have tried the full range of Rogue's Ale (available at StockPile in Sapphire in Ortigas Center) and it's OK. Biggest problem with pinoy craft beers is the Quality Control.

Second problem is they are "outrageously expensive" relative to the tried and true SMB.

http://www.wheninmanila.com/5-philippine-microbreweries-changing-the-way-you-can-enjoy-beer/

http://www.spot.ph/eatdrink/the-latest-eat-drink/57593/top-10-must-try-local-craft-beers-in-manilaAgreed about both reliability and price.

Still, as I sit in my basement debating which session of my local beer festival to attend, I am prepared to support any brew in the Phils that isn't San Miguel product.

[GoodEnough]

Agreed about both reliability and price.

Still, as I sit in my basement debating which session of my local beer festival to attend, I am prepared to support any brew in the Phils that isn't San Miguel product.On the other hand, San Mig is no worse than most American mass produced beers like Bud and Millers; they all taste somewhat like water with alcohol added. However, I don't believe that the great mass of local beer drinkers is going to be weaned away from San Mig anytime soon.

GE.

[Red Kilt]

On the other hand, San Mig is no worse than most American mass produced beers like Bud and Millers; they all taste somewhat like water with alcohol added. However, I don't believe that the great mass of local beer drinkers is going to be weaned away from San Mig anytime soon.After having written Bud off for the very reasons GE described it, imagine my delight to discover the Budweiser bar near the Chinggis Square in Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia.

It has no ties to the US brand and is instead the original Czech brew that eventually made its way to the states and became bastardized beyond recognition.

I have enjoyed many cold draft pints of the REAL THING in this bar. (My apologies that this post is taking the thread further and further from Davao).

[Wicked Roger]

Was in Davao briefly and had to eat (as we all do LOL) – and I mean food LOL.

Was told by a friend in Cebu who visits Davo sometimes to see one of his 'girlfriends' about a new (ish) place with very good, authentic Italian pasta and French roast chicken. Reasonable prices and a decent wine list (not that I partake much if at all but he does sometimes), where two could eat fora reasonable price with wine (or so I was told).

Called Mia Figlia Pasta located on Mabini St. At the corner with Mariner. Went there with a cutie and we had some wine (well she did), chicken potatoes and pasta and for less than PHP 1000 - for me that is great value for decent food and you are not paying lots as you may with some finer dining places in the city (even though I have eaten there as well and enjoyed it). The owner is charming and friendly – good person and runs a tight resto with good service (I like that also as in many places service is slow etc).

I would not take a cutie to a fine fining place for reasons others have stated (and I agree with) but I also won't take them to Jollibee as that is food for dogs IMHO and I need to eat also to get the energy LOL.

So, this was a good compromise IMHO and one I will revisit as I liked the food and the atmosphere – assuming am back in Davao and have time as this was a more of a quick visit.

[Omega 3]

As our aircraft climbed up out of Davao just the other day, we had a bird's-eye view of the three gray Chinese Navy warships docked below, at Sasa Wharf in Davao City. The Chinese warships, commanded by Rear Admiral Shen Hao, were in Davao for a few days on a "good will" mission. Their visit was propitiously timed to coincide with ASEAN conferences, hosted by President Duterte, at the Waterfront Insular Hotel in Davao City.

Although certainly not the largest or newest vessels in the Chinese Navy, the three visiting warships were probably more sophisticated than anything in the Philippine Navy. The Chinese warships underscored the message of proximate Chinese military power and might, not only to Filipinos, but also to the visiting delegates from the various ASEAN countries.

How many US vessels docked at Davao City?

Zero.

Score another well-planned propaganda point for the Chinese.

OM.

[GoodEnough]

As our aircraft climbed up out of Davao just the other day, we had a bird's-eye view of the three gray Chinese Navy warships docked below, at Sasa Wharf in Davao City. The Chinese warships, commanded by Rear Admiral Shen Hao, were in Davao for a few days on a "good will" mission. Their visit was propitiously timed to coincide with ASEAN conferences, hosted by President Duterte, at the Waterfront Insular Hotel in Davao City.

Although certainly not the largest or newest vessels in the Chinese Navy, the three visiting warships were probably more sophisticated than anything in the Philippine Navy. The Chinese warships underscored the message of proximate Chinese military power and might, not only to Filipinos, but also to the visiting delegates from the various ASEAN countries.

How many US vessels docked at Davao City?

Zero.

Score another well-planned propaganda point for the Chinese.

OM.While I agree it was a minor propaganda coup. I don't think the situation is quite as dramatic as Omega3 describes. The fact is that US warships have docked, and continue to dock at various ports in Mindanao at least once a year during the joint Philippines /-US military exercises. And when the US forces arrive, it's with a carrier naval force. The presence of 3 warships in Davao harbor wasn't played up much in the local press and if intended as a grandiose PR gesture by the Chinese, it failed. Also I believe the ASEAN conference was held in Manila so it's highly doubtful that any of the foreign delegates would have seen the Chinese ships.

GE.

[Omega 3]

First trip to Davao in about a decade. Last time there, the original SM Mall in Davao was not quite completed. Traveled with asawako, who was attending some meetings there. Thus, this is a general travel & food report, for any who might be interested.

Day 1.

Asawako used Grab app to price out approximate taxi fares (and, thus, approximate distances) from hotel to various restaurants. We discovered that there are no Grab cars, but only Grab taxis, in Davao. Our first restaurant choice, Bon Appetit, on Loyola Street, showed up on Grab at over P400 taxi fare, so we decided to defer our visit there until another day. Later, found out that the Grab app fares shown were several times quite inaccurate and misleading, including this one, and that Bon Appetit is actually not far from Victoria Mall, and we easily could have gone there first. Too bad, but good motivation for next Davao visit!

Claude's Cafe de Ville.

Booked a Grab taxi to Claude's Cafe de Ville, at #143 J. Rizal Street. We enjoyed the weekday business lunch special, at P550 per, including entree and salad bar. Enjoyed the grilled cobbler (fish, much like cream dory) and duck confit (duck leg, tasty, a bit tough), and pleasant salad bar, with a small assortment of cheeses. Did not have time for a bottle, but paired a glass of Camas Pinot Noir (P320) with the duck entree. As the "house" wine, it was pleasant enough.

Met the proprietor, Monsieur Claude, who turned out to be a congenial French restaurateur, cosmopolitan and pleasantly urbane, much like a few other French expats in the trade whom I have met over the years around Southeast Asia. Monsieur Claude mentioned that, before opening this restaurant, he previously was GM at the Waterfront Hotel in Davao.

For dessert, asawako enjoyed the cheesecake, which she pronounced her new favorite, supplanting her previous fave cheesecake at the Cebu Marco Polo Plaza.

Claude's charming French bistro is located in an historical house, with wooden floors, and graceful wooden floor to ceiling arched room dividers. Tiny Eiffel Tower replica perched on a shelf toward the front. On several of the walls, attractive framed art, which turned out to be watercolors by a local artist, Gilbert Millaflor. Artwork available for purchase.

After lunch, we booked another Grab taxi for a quick detour to De Bonte Koe, which we just noticed also had a J. Rizal Street address. DBK turned out to be just a stone's throw away from Claude's place, and easily could have been walked.

De Bonte Koe.

Unfortunately, DBK turned out to be an anticlimax after Claude's. First, it was not easy for us as first-time visitors to find the restaurant itself. We easily spotted their DBK roadside sign, and Casa Habana. Walked up the steps in front, only to find a "Closed" sign in the locked door. Looked like the wrong place. Walked around to an open building just on the side, where a young female concierge directed us up some stairs. After we climbed to the third floor, the young lady followed, and informed us that she had misunderstood, and did not really know of DBK. Back down we went, and asked at another establishment, and the folks there waved vaguely in a direction toward the back. Turns out that DBK is in a separate structure, at the back of Casa Habana. Easy enough to find, once you know where it is.

We entered DBK, and my first impression was of an off-putting smell, kind of like disinfectant in a CR. Asawako also commented on this, but thought it was the smell of "old" fixtures and furnishings. The interior was a bit dark. We were debating whether just to turn around and leave, but the proprietor, Henny, was quite pleasant and welcoming, so we decided to sit down and sample the food. Ordered a simple pasta dish, plus mango soup. Both were reasonably priced, and tasty enough. The warm mango (sweet) soup reminded me of the "hot" mango halo-halo at Gerry's Grill at Cebu Robinson's Galleria (other branches also).

We booked a Grab taxi, and when the app showed the taxi was 2 minutes away, walked to the road front, but then waited over ten minutes, watching a couple of empty non-Grab taxis drive by. Finally, we canceled the Grab taxi and within a couple of minutes, flagged down an empty taxi passing by. Back to the hotel and siesta.

Luz Kinilaw & Inihaw Place.

Several of asawako's Cebu colleagues, also visiting, invited us to join them at dinner at Luz Kinilaw & Inihaw Place, on Quezon Blvd, near Magsaysay Park and Chinatown. The "legend" is that Lucente Polache, the namesake proprietor of Luz Place, originally borrowed P200 to start out with an humble food stall, which became so popular that she wound up with a busy two-story restaurant, and now has a home in the same neighborhood as ("next door to") then-Mayor and now-President Duterte.

We enjoyed the focused local fare, with a huge slab of tasty grilled tuna belly on a stick, and grilled fish, squid and chicken, with fish soup and platters of plain rice. The restaurant was filled with large numbers of happy diners, but no other westerner visible.

Durian at Magsaysay Fruit Stalls.

After dinner, we walked a few minutes to the Magsaysay fruit stalls and ordered several different kinds of durian, which we ate while sitting at a simple rough roadside table. Durian, sometimes known in southeast Asia as the "king of fruits" is an acquired taste, and took me many years to appreciate (just as it took me years to appreciate the smell and taste of "tsou tofu" or stinky tofu in Taiwan). The first few times I tried durian (in Bangkok), couldn't get over the awful smell, and retched and spat back out immediately, nearly vomiting. Because of its pungent aroma, many hotels in southeast Asia still have signs at their front doors, prohibiting durian from being brought in.

Davao durian is legendary in the Philippines, but this was off-season, and the durian was costly, at P300 per kilo. We were given disposable plastic gloves and ate by hand. My favorite was the first one we ate, an orange colored variety, which had a heavenly sweet creamy taste and texture, a bit like custard, with a hint of cinnamon. Must come back to Davao during durian season (around August?) and pig out. Have been warned by locals though, that those suffering from hypertension (like me) should eat durian only in moderation, as it allegedly increases body heat and raises blood pressure.

End of Day 1 report.

Shout out to GE, and also to RK, for their recommendations of the fine Western restaurants!

Day 2 report to follow.

OM.

[GoodEnough]

While I agree it was a minor propaganda coup. I don't think the situation is quite as dramatic as Omega3 describes. The fact is that US warships have docked, and continue to dock at various ports in Mindanao at least once a year during the joint Philippines /-US military exercises. And when the US forces arrive, it's with a carrier naval force. The presence of 3 warships in Davao harbor wasn't played up much in the local press and if intended as a grandiose PR gesture by the Chinese, it failed. Also I believe the ASEAN conference was held in Manila so it's highly doubtful that any of the foreign delegates would have seen the Chinese ships.

GE.Thanks Omega for the PM. I stand correct as obviously the ASEAN meeting was here and I didn't even know about it. I do find it a bit strange that it got to little publicity though. At any rate, thanks for correcting me.

GE.

[Omega 3]

Thanks Omega for the PM. I stand correct as obviously the ASEAN meeting was here and I didn't even know about it. I do find it a bit strange that it got to little publicity though. At any rate, thanks for correcting me.

GE.Thanks, GE. Upon further reflection, I now think that you were correct and I was mistaken. Although my recollection is that the signboard at the Davao Waterfront Insular the morning of Sunday, April 30, referred to an ASEAN meeting event there, either my recollection was mistaken, or the signboard was erroneous. Mainstream media reports that the ASEAN farewell dinner was on Saturday evening, April 29, at the Sofitel in Manila, with no report of any ASEAN event in Davao on Sunday.

President Duterte met with President Widodo and an Indonesian delegation in Davao on Sunday, April 30, but that was in connection with the inauguration of the RORO from Davao to GenSan to Indonesia, and was not an ASEAN event per se.

There was a big influx of Asian guests with colorful lanyard ribbons at the Davao Waterfront on Saturday afternoon and evening and on Sunday morning, but, on reflection, I did not hear any of them speaking Thai or Lao or any language other than Mandarin and what I believe to be a couple of Chinese dialects. And, on reflection, the guests I saw did not look like ethnic Southeast Asians so much as Chinese.

So, I now don't think that there was an ASEAN meeting on Sunday in Davao.

My bad. Apologies!

OM.

[Red Kilt]

.

So, I now don't think that there was an ASEAN meeting on Sunday in Davao.
I think you're both partly right.

My friend who works for DFA told me that there were ASEAN meetings in various places in the Philippines during the lead-up to the event. These were for the backroom delegates who do all the leg-work and then the dignitaries swan in for the ceremonial signings, posturing, photo-ops etc and then fly out again.

They were in Bohol and Davao that I know of but there were other places too. No big deal guys. More important things to worry about (like world peace?

[Omega 3]

This is the second part of a general travel & food report, for any who might be interested.

Day 2.

SM Lanang.

After a leisurely morning, proceeded to SM Lanang, where asawako needed to shop for some clothing items. This mall is moderately large, new, clean and bright. There was a big 3-day sale with many items half price. At noon on a big sale Saturday, the mall was not at all crowded, actually a relief. Was later told that there are century-old trees around the outside of this mall, but did not remember seeing them.

Bukidnon Milk.

On the SM Lanang ground floor, in the center of the mall "open area" (with a view of the upper floors) there was a mini flea market type area, with small portable stalls and various snacks and dry goods on offer. Stopped by a stall selling Bukidnon Milk, "from the happiest cows". Claimed to be 100% grass-fed, free-range Holstein hybrids. May be the best milk I have tasted in the Philippines. Bought a couple of liters, at P100 each, and an insulated carry bag. Enjoyed drinking the tasty milk in our hotel room later that evening and early the next morning. Ran out too quickly, wished we had bought more. What a treat!

Swiss Deli (Lanang).

From SM Lanang, just a very short taxi ride north on J. P. Laurel Avenue (toward Waterfront Hotel) past the first traffic light and under the flyover, to Swiss Deli. Across JP Laurel from BPI Lanang, and generally across from Mamay Road and Damosa retail. Big black & white statue of heifer in front. Taxi driver called it "Restaurant with baka (cow) in front". Spanish for cow = "vaca". Some words in Tagalog or Bisayan are very easy to learn if you know a little Spanish! Would like to visit Zamboanga some day, even if reportedly dangerous, just to hear Chabacano (with even more Spanish influence) being spoken there.

The SD staff were friendly and opened the underground "wine cellar" area for us, turning on the lights and AC there. A couple of picnic-type wooden tables with benches, adjacent to shelves of wine. Yum. Luckily, no wine bottles were broken here during the earthquake the day before (reportedly, 7. 2 at the epicenter, near GenSan, and quite noticeable in Davao early in the morning).

Ordered "wild boar" pate (P160) and US Angus ribeye steak (P795) plus bottle of 2014 Ribbonwood Marlborough Pinot Noir (P1195 plus small corkage fee). Swiss Deli had one French pinot and two Marlborough pinots on display. Ribbonwood was recommended by the SD folks. Did not recognize the winery or label. The Ribbonwood pinot turned out to be bright and fruity, with sour cherry notes and hint of smokiness. Low tannins. Pleasant enough for a little lunch in the wine cellar on a warm afternoon, when I did not feel like opening up a bigger cab or Merlot. The ribeye was tasty, although thin (not thick cut). Ribeyes generally are expected to have more fat than tenderloin, and I wound up cutting away a bit of fat (from the steak, not my belly). No problem, a good time was had by all.

Food is tasty enough, ambiance pleasant, and prices reasonable at Swiss Deli, which has a relatively larger selection of wines. For some reason, SD reminded me of a miniaturized Hi Time Wine Cellar in Costa Mesa.

Was told that there is a second Swiss Deli, in Matina, with a different owner, who is a friend of the two owners of the original Swiss Deli Lanang. Did not stop into this second SD Matina, although passed by the following day (Day 3 report).

Had to attend a dinner event at the hotel that evening, so did not go out.

End of Day 2 report.

Shout out to GE, for recommending Swiss Deli. Thanks, GE, for another good call!

Day 3 report (last day, whew) to follow.

OM.

[GoodEnough]

I do not know if the recent declaration of martial law in Mindanao has made the international press yet, but it happened yesterday by Presidential edict. Evidently serious outbreaks of violence have occurred in the city of Marawi and the military is concerned about the spread of clashes between the AFP and IS-related rebel groups throughout other areas of the region. From the scant coverage I've read, under the Constitution of the Philippines, the President has the right to declare martial law for a period not to exceed 60 days, but that period can be extended with the concurrence of Congress. There's little doubt that President Duterte did the right thing in this instance, as evidently the clashes have been protracted and extremely violent, and there's also little doubt that the military's presence in Mindanao will become more visible.

Davao, at least as of last night, was calm, with no evident of increased military presence. However, the imposition of martial law carries with it the stipulation that all residents, whether permanent or itninterant, carry identification with themselves at all times. Thus, I'm writing this to ensure that anyone out there in ISG-land contemplating a visit to anywhere in Mindanao, remember to retain ID at all times when outside of your accommodations.

GE.

[GoodEnough]

Evidently the insurrection in the province of Lanao del Sur (concentrated in the city of Marawi) has been precipitated by the Maute (pronounced Ma-you-te) Group, a self-proclaimed offshoot of ISIS. At one point the group evidently took over city hall and a radio station in Marawi City, and the battles continue between the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) and the insurrectionists. Local news channels refer to the latter continuously as terrorists, who are presumably trying to establish a caliphate in Lanao del Sur. The armed conflict began almost as soon as Duterte and all his top miliatary officials departed the country for a state visit to Russia, and local media, are focused almost exclusively on the threat now posed by this group in the Marawi area.

The pitched battles now occurring evidently caught the authorities here by surprise, and so far, there have been no warnings or official pronouncements from foreign embassies, or at least none that I've seen.

I'm not overly concerned about the situation in Davao, where life continues peacefully as it did before the outbreak of hostilities. However, I'd encourage anyone out there considering a trip to anyplace in Mindanao other than Davao to re-think your plans.

GE.

[GoodEnough]

Just received from the US Embassy:

United States Embassy Manila, Philippines.

Emergency*Message for USA Citizens:* Mindanao Security Situation.

May 24,2017.

*.

THE EMBASSY OF THE UNITED STATES IS TRANSMITTING THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION THROUGH THE EMBASSY WARDEN SYSTEM AS A PUBLIC SERVICE TO USA CITIZENS IN THE PHILIPPINES. *PLEASE DISSEMINATE THIS MESSAGE TO ALL USA CITIZENS IN YOUR ORGANIZATION OR NEIGHBORHOOD. *.

*.

The USA Embassy cautions USA Citizens that there is an ongoing conflict between terrorist groups and Philippine Security Forces in Marawi City, Mindanao. * Media reports suggest that there are multiple dead and injured. * On May 23,2017, the Philippine government declared martial law throughout the Mindanao region for 60 days. * The Philippine National Police (PNP) and Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) have been placed on high alert. *.

*.

The USA Embassy has temporarily suspended Mission personnel travel to Mindanao pending a better understanding of the threat environment. * While the USA Embassy has no information that the events in Marawi City*represent a direct threat to USA Citizens or USA Interests in the Philippines, we encourage USA Citizens to review personal security plans, avoid large crowds and gatherings, and remain vigilant at all times.

*.

The USA Embassy wishes to remind USA Citizens of the most recent Worldwide Caution, dated March 6,*2017, which indicates there is an ongoing threat of terrorist actions and violence against USA Citizens and interests abroad, including the Philippines. *Extremists have targeted sporting events, theaters, markets, mass transportation systems–including airlines, and other public venues where large crowds gather. *Crowded nightclubs, shopping malls, buses and popular restaurants have also been targets. * USA Citizens should be mindful of the importance of taking preventative measures to ensure their safety and security while traveling and residing in the Philippines‎.

*.

For further information about security in the Philippines:

See the State Department's travel website for the Worldwide Caution, Travel Warnings, Travel Alerts, and the Philippines Country Specific Information.

Enroll in the Smart Traveler Enrollment Program (STEP) to receive security messages and make it easier to locate you in an emergency.

Contact the USA Embassy in Manila, Philippines, located at 1201 Roxas Boulevard, at +(63) (2) 301-2000, from 7:30 am To 4:00 pm Monday through Friday. After-hours emergency number for USA Citizens is +(63) (2) 301-2000.

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[GoodEnough]

http://davaotoday.com/main/politics/davao-on-lockdown-sara-duterte-tells-public-to-stay-at-home/

Not a great time to own a commercial establishment in Davao.

[Nice Guy 99]

Just received from the US Embassy:

United States Embassy Manila, Philippines.

Emergency*Message for USA Citizens:* Mindanao Security Situation.Yep, got the same notice. Duterte took the right action.

[GoodEnough]

Yep, got the same notice. Duterte took the right action.I tend to agree with you, but the outcome isn't yet known. If the decree is expanded to the rest of the country, I'll start to become concerned for the future. If it remains in place for only 60 days, and remains restricted to Mindanao, then yes, it will have been the right thing to do in my opinion. Whatever the case, if the curfew is imposed, it's going to wreak some havoc with the restaurant and Hotel businesses.

GE.

[StevieW]

Stay safe you guys.

Doubt it will, but hippie this blows over soon.

[Omega 3]

This is the third and final part of a general Davao travel & food report, which was written before ML, but not posted until just now, after ML. Intervening events in Marawi in particular and in Mindanao in general may have made this report a bit trite, but, perhaps, at the very least: remembrances of lost times? (with apologies to M. Proust).

Day 3.

A few colleagues of Asawako had chartered a large taxi for the day, and we joined their informal Sunday expedition.

Eden Nature Park & Resort.

An interesting hour-long ride to Eden, up in the mountains in the general direction of Mt Apo. Sunday at this popular venue was quite crowded. Eden entrance fee was P280 each, which included a light snack. We arrived shortly after 10 am, and were told that the shuttle bus tours around the premises were already booked until 4 pm. We just walked around a bit. Still hot in the sun, refreshingly cooler in the shade, but by no means chilly enough for a jacket or sweater.

Walked up a slight hill past a small aviary area, to the butterfly park. Highlight is a couple of huge netted areas, each big enough for a dozen people to comfortably walk around, populated with hundreds or even thousands of butterflies. A young male employee caught a few dozen butterflies, somehow folded them all like origami, and then placed them in the hands of Asawako. He told her to open her hands, and the butterflies fluttered out and up toward the sky. She was delighted. Captured this "opening of butterflies" on IPad video. Lovely.

Eden Nature Park Zipline Area.

We got back in the taxi and drove across the main road to an Eden restaurant on the other side, where we enjoyed a light snack, included in the admission fee. Enjoyed a tuna sandwich on toasted bun, while others had spaghetti. Not bad, actually. Maybe we worked up an appetite walking around earlier? After the snack, Asawako's colleagues tried the "kiddy" low zipline on the adjacent hill area, while we watched. Periodically, there would be screams from the nearby bungee-type high swing. None of us tried this ride. After a bit, we got back in the taxi and headed on to our next stop.

Crocodile Park.

We drove back toward Davao City, to the Crocodile Park and small zoo (with a tiger, snakes, monkeys, birds, and various small animals). Entrance fee was P250, but increases to P300 closer to feeding time. We were originally told that feeding time was at 3 pm, but later told 4 pm, and did not wait after walking around. Saw one huge crocodile in a separate pen, but it was unmoving, so was not convinced it was actually alive. Numerous smaller and baby crocodiles in ponds or other pens. Walked to a nearby crocodile restaurant where one of our group tried the croc burger (P130). When served, we could see that it was charred. He reported that it tasted a bit like fish, but less oily. Didn't really look too appetizing.

Jack's Ridge.

Back in the taxi and back to Jack's Ridge, with a grand view of majestic Mt Apo dead ahead along the way. Up and across to an area of Jack's Ridge which was a bit like Topps above Cebu. Small entry fee. Lovely view of Davao City down below. The more energetic members of our small group walked down a long flight of stairs to a field below. Asawako and I just enjoyed a cup of coffee and cheesecake in the air conditioned coffee shop above. We strolled around a bit, and spotted a vintage WWII Japanese aircraft on the nearby hillside, above a swimming pool area. Apparently, Jack's Ridge was a Japanese large gun emplacement site and figured prominently in the WW II Battle of Davao between Japanese forces resisting US and Filipino forces. Reminded me a bit of Mt Tapochau in Saipan, where Lee Marvin, then a US marine, was injured in WWII fierce fighting between Japanese and US forces.

Informal Davao City Tour.

Back in the taxi, over the ridge and down to the other side, which was Matina, and back to Davao City, passing Swiss Deli Matina (also with a baka or cow statue in front). Did not stop. Arrived at our destination restaurant early, at 4:30, but it did not open for dinner until 5:30, so spent the next hour in a delightful impromptu city tour. Along the way, passed by Victoria Mall and was told that Loyola Street (with Bon Appetit) was not far away. Was tempted to just "jump ship" and go there, but could not. Passed by People's Park, and saw Casa Leticia, which was one of the places where I had stayed during my prior visit a decade earlier, adjacent to Tsuru Japanese Restaurant, where I had enjoyed a pleasant lunch once. Passed by Gaesano South Mall, where I had seen a move a decade ago. Think the theater was bombed not long afterward?

Red House Shabu Shabu Restaurant.

Arrived at our restaurant at 5:30 pm. On F. Torres Street, adjacent to Davao City Convention Center, in the same new retail area as Nonki Japanese restaurant, which fronts F. Torres. This is a new branch of the original Red House in Cebu on Apitong Street, adjacent to MJ Suites and close by Parklane Hotel on Escario. There is a second Cebu branch on AS Fortuna and apparently relatively new branches now in Bacolod and in Tacloban. The Davao branch does not yet have a sign containing the words "Red House" but simply reads "Taiwan Shabu Shabu".

As reported in an earlier Cebu Restaurants post, I am a fan of shabu shabu restaurants, and wanted to introduce Asawako's colleagues to this type of dining, and so hosted the dinner. The menu was almost identical to the Cebu menu, and we ordered Set (B), plus a number of extra dishes a la carte. Asawako's colleagues seemed to enjoy the new dining experience. Food was almost the same as in Cebu, except that the tofu in the Davao branch was not as fresh or tasty, and the fish balls also not quite as good. The Davao branch also is quite popular. By 6:30 pm, every table in the restaurant was occupied with happy diners, although no other westerner visible.

After a pleasant dinner, we called it a day. We all wanted to go back to our respective hotels early, because of flights back to Cebu the following morning.

End of Day 3 and end of this series of Davao reports. Hope it was interesting reading?

OM.

[Slippery]

Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?

[Hutsori]

Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?I'm not a Davao resident, so take it for what it's worth. The Generics Pharmacy (TGP) has several branches in Davao, http://tgp.com.ph/branches/?city_id=50, and its brand name of sildenafil is Tigerfil. My experience w / a few TGP branches in Manila is it employs non-pharmacists to dispense medication, which contravenes the law. I've never been asked for a prescription at a TGP. A fubu's sister is a pharmacist, and she told me her sister was 'employed' on paper to be the onsite pharmacist, which is required by law, but she never worked onsite. Another option is independent pharmacies; again, never asked for a prescription at one. It's only been big chains like Mercury and Watsons, and usually at the larger malls, that a prescription has been asked for; this hasn't been uniform, and often a bit of social engineering overcame it. I've found complete success by bringing in the drug's packaging and giving it to the person behind the counter. If they say "we don't have that brand" just ask for an equivalent.

[Dg8787]

Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?Can't respond about Davao either. The small pharmacies are a good idea.

Last month I took a girl to see her solo practioner doctor. While I was there it dawn on me to ask the doctor for a scrip for the blue pill. I asked and the doc asked me why would I need one? Then the good doc said he has a supply of kamagra and generic cialis. The prices were a tiny bit less than the pharmacies. And no charge for the visit.

I stocked up and bought some for a friend back home. You might ask a doctor to buy some.

[GoodEnough]

Can't respond about Davao either. The small pharmacies are a good idea.

Last month I took a girl to see her solo practioner doctor. While I was there it dawn on me to ask the doctor for a scrip for the blue pill. I asked and the doc asked me why would I need one? Then the good doc said he has a supply of kamagra and generic cialis. The prices were a tiny bit less than the pharmacies. And no charge for the visit.

I stocked up and bought some for a friend back home. You might ask a doctor to buy some.At Mercury and the other large chain pharmacies, you will need a prescription for Viagra, however generic sildenifil is available without prescription and at least some of the Mercury Drugs outlets.

GE.

[StevieW]

Anybody know where I can get the little blue pill in Davao? Will I need to make a doctor's appointment or can it be bought on the street like in Manila?I went to a mercury in Davao and the price of Viagra was 1000 Php.

The generic sidenafil was about 400 Php I think.

No prescriptions asked for.

After reading some posts on quantity to take, I took half a pill. Didn't really do much for me and haven't had the chance to experiment any further.

There's also a thread on this forum for Viagra if you want more info.

[BrainDrain]

I went to a mercury in Davao and the price of Viagra was 1000 Php.

The generic sidenafil was about 400 Php I think.
After reading some posts on quantity to take, I took half a pill. Didn't really do much for me and haven't had the chance to experiment any further.
.For the pricing can you let us know the size of the tab ie 50 MG & 100 MG and the box size. Maybe 4 pieces per box?

[Red Kilt]

For the pricing can you let us know the size of the tab ie 50 MG & 100 MG and the box size. Maybe 4 pieces per box?Generic Sildenifil is sold in boxes of 5 pcs. Very much over-packaged with each in its own blister packs and in its own cardboard sealed card.

I get mine from Mercury. Watsons doesn't always have in stock.

Thy will ask if you want the 50 MG or 100 MG tabs but it's a no-brainer: always buy the 100 MG tabs and break in half along the groove in the tab for virtually the same price. I only ever need 50 MG at a time.

[StevieW]

For the pricing can you let us know the size of the tab ie 50 MG & 100 MG and the box size. Maybe 4 pieces per box?Yeah. Sorry. They were 100 MG.

Packaged as described by RK.

[X Man]

Excellent info Omega. It's been about eight years since I've been to Davao, but been thinking about a return visit. I visited the eagle sanctuary, but never made it to Eden or the crocodile park.


This is the third and final part of a general Davao travel & food report, which was written before ML, but not posted until just now, after ML. Intervening events in Marawi in particular and in Mindanao in general may have made this report a bit trite, but, perhaps, at the very least: remembrances of lost times? (with apologies to M. Proust).

Day 3.

SNIP

OM.

[Member #4643]

I read them all. Very nice but there wasn't a word of advice on how a man might arrange sex with a woman. That is strange because this is the stated purpose of the ISG.

O3: might I request a final report dedicated to this topic? I have read the Davao trip reports over the last few years, and it seems that the choices are regular dating (or perhaps DIA encounters with an understanding of the need for patience) or a small number of bars with very hardcore ladies. I am certain one could do better with th e proper advice.

Please help us Phil lovers!

Many thanks! F.

[Omega 3]

I read them all. Very nice but there wasn't a word of advice on how a man might arrange sex with a woman. That is strange because this is the stated purpose of the ISG. ***Just returned from a hectic trip to USA and HK. Am now catching up this forum and on other matters.

Forest, thanks for reading the three food and travel posts from my recent visit to Davao. I had tried made it clear that these were "general travel & food reports, for any who might be interested".

It seems that we differ fundamentally on our perceptions of this forum, and perhaps on our respective mongering lifestyles. No problem, "Live and let live". Peace, brother.

After having mongered in a number of countries around Asia over the span of half a century, I have come to appreciate the "flavor of women". Not just the flavors of their lips, tongues, throats, breasts, nipples, bellies, buttocks, vaginas, clits, thighs, and various and sundry other body parts, but also the "flavors" of their minds, hearts, and souls. Of course, some women are simple and one-dimensional, but others offer unexpected nuances, complexities and poignancy.

As Robert Heinlein might have asked, Do you "grok"?

Similarly, I have come to appreciate the "flavors" of various cities and countries and believe that some, but not all, mongers might also appreciate field reports on diverse subjects pertaining to international travel in these cities and countries. Some other posters have asked what there is to do in particular areas besides boozing and fucking.

There are various popular "multi-dimensional" threads in this forum, pertaining to Philippine politics and economics, and hotels, restaurants, and so on, related to metro Manila, Angeles, or Cebu. I personally think that Davao, as the third most populous metropolitan area in the Philippines, similarly deserves more than just a monochromatic thread. My disclaimers, at the beginnings of each of the three reports, were an effort to alert readers that these reports pertained to food and travel generally, so that any readers not interested in food and travel would not waste their time in reading further.


O3: might I request a final report dedicated to this topic? I have read the Davao trip reports over the last few years, and it seems that the choices are regular dating (or perhaps DIA encounters with an understanding of the need for patience) or a small number of bars with very hardcore ladies. I am certain one could do better with the proper advice.

Please help us Phil lovers!

Many thanks! F.To borrow a neatly-turned phrase from X-Man (in a different context in a different thread): "Since you've been around the block a few times, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, or why. So, I'll just throw a few things out there".

My perception is that, with the appropriate mind-set, sexual opportunity in the Philippines in general, and in Davao City in particular, is not exactly rocket science, and is actually probably somewhat closer to "rolling off a log", but may take a little time and effort.

By no means am I an expert on Davao City but, based on RTFF, I would not spend too much time in searching for sexual opportunity in "hard core" bars in Davao. Instead, would look at a number of non-exclusive approaches:

1. Social media and "dating sites". This has become a preferred choice of many savvy mongers. There have been many excellent posts on this forum by others far more knowledgeable and experienced than I on this topic.

2. Personal networking. Usually productive. Including, but not necessarily limited to, PMs to other posters on this forum who have far more expertise, contacts and suggestions for Davao City.

3. "Open field" sources. The "old fashioned hands-on" approach. If you are attuned, you will pick up on saucy eye contact and sexual vibes from certain potentially interested women virtually anywhere. Restaurants, coffee shops, malls (both shop girls and pedestrians), hotels, offices, churches, clinics, and so on. Of course, not every woman, and not all the time, and not always resulting in instant gratification, but usually enough to keep a monger happily occupied if so inclined.

4. "Bring your own".

Of course, the recently imposed martial law in Mindanao will or may put all of the above into a whole different context. Other, more "traditional" venues most likely will be more productive if you are looking for sexual opportunity. It may not your best use of time to visit Davao, unless you have other business or other interests, or unless you are truly an "old hand".

Just one man's views.

OM.

[Wicked Roger]

I read them all. Very nice but there wasn't a word of advice on how a man might arrange sex with a woman. That is strange because this is the stated purpose of the ISG.


Many thanks! F.You have 660 posts and you ask this question? On ISG? Thought I had seen it all.

Omega responded eloquently but really you need to ask how to arrange sex with women? But then you have also asked about airbnb, Backpage and DIA recently (so you know how to find ladies), you have asked about hotels, broken condoms, LA dating sites, massage places in HK. So many questions. So you know where to find and arrange? Yes?

It is your game that makes the difference, how you look, act, talk, smell etc. Unless you expect advice on that also?

[GoodEnough]

My perception is that, with the appropriate mind-set, sexual opportunity in the Philippines in general, and in Davao City in particular, is not exactly rocket science, and is actually probably somewhat closer to "rolling off a log", but may take a little time and effort.

Of course, the recently imposed martial law in Mindanao will or may put all of the above into a whole different context. Other, more "traditional" venues most likely will be more productive if you are looking for sexual opportunity. It may not your best use of time to visit Davao, unless you have other business or other interests, or unless you are truly an "old hand".

Just one man's views.

OM.Well done O3. I don't think I've seen the word "grok" used since I was an undergraduate; your use of it sparked a host of pleasant memories of that long-ago era.

I'm not sure there's enough general interest in Davao to support multi-dimensional threads, which is a bit unfortunate since (one man's opinion only) the city is a hell of a lot more interesting than Cebu. As to the imposition of martial law having changed the context; it hasn't. There are no obvious road blocks, no ubiquitous police prescence, no dramatic changes to daily routines. However, martial law has essentially killed most tourism here. Prior to the imposition of martial law, many if not most of the planes arriving from Manila were full, as were many hotels and restaurants. This is no longer the case. I was told last week, for example, that the Marco Polo, the premiere hotel in the city, was running at about 20% occupancy. As far as the local women go, the dramatic reduction in the influx of tourists may have created significant opportunities for those interested in coming here for the purpose of chasing women. I have no direct evidence of this as I'm not a searcher while here, but I imagine it's true.

A couple of nights ago, I was talking to a close friend who has lived here for about 18 years, and we were reminiscing about places we used to go; some still open and others closed. The conversation eventually drifted to the discussion of a place called Plaza Roman, on Cabaguio St. , which featured a bar / pool hall with hostesses, a karaoke with hostesses, a massage shop and a larger bar / bistro with hostesses, and attractive, clean short-term rooms in a separate building in the rear. I had some great times there back in the day and was somewhat surprised to find out that it's still operating much the same as it did before. I don't think it's been mentioned in this forum, and I had forgotten about it completely, but anyone contemplating coming here might want to check it out. As I remember the place, it was both "dine-in" in the short-term rooms as well as "take-out" if that was your wish.

While Davao has no areas quite as in-your-face as Manila or even Cebu, there's an ample number of bars, karaoke places, pick-up venues and FL street walkers to keep an avid tourist busy. Because Davao is by far the largest city in the country in terms of geography, it's still easy to head out into the countryside while remaining within city limits, and there's some interesting stuff to do and see while doing so. This may also be the only city in the country in which taxi drivers routinely use meters without being asked.

GE.

[Omega 3]

*** I'm not sure there's enough general interest in Davao to support multi-dimensional threads, which is a bit unfortunate since (one man's opinion only) the city is a hell of a lot more interesting than Cebu. As to the imposition of martial law having changed the context; it hasn't. There are no obvious road blocks, no ubiquitous police prescence, no dramatic changes to daily routines. ***

While Davao has no areas quite as in-your-face as Manila or even Cebu, there's an ample number of bars, karaoke places, pick-up venues and FL street walkers to keep an avid tourist busy. Because Davao is by far the largest city in the country in terms of geography, it's still easy to head out into the countryside while remaining within city limits, and there's some interesting stuff to do and see while doing so. This may also be the only city in the country in which taxi drivers routinely use meters without being asked.

GE.In my view, GE is our preeminent expert from Davao on this forum. We are all fortunate to receive his insightful posts on the Philippines in general, and on Davao and other cities here in particular.

Relieved to hear that the effects of martial law are not too onerous to date in Davao. Hopefully, things will remain calm in Davao and elsewhere, and peace will be brought back to Marawi. However, martial law is unpredictable and potentially could ramp up overnight, especially if there is another bombing or other such incident.

Heaven forbid.

OM.

[Slippery]

Hahaha the closest thing I've seen resembling martial law in Davao was a fat cop at the main entrance to Abreeza yesterday who was sitting at the police desk pigging out on a huge lunch.

[Member #4643]

Just returned from a hectic trip to USA and HK. Am now catching up this forum and on other matters.

Forest, thanks for reading the three food and travel posts from my recent visit to Davao. I had tried made it clear that these were "general travel & food reports, for any who might be interested".

It seems that we differ fundamentally on our perceptions of this forum, and perhaps on our respective mongering lifestyles. No problem, "Live and let live". Peace, brother.

After having mongered in a number of countries around Asia over the span of half a century, I have come to appreciate the "flavor of women". Not just the flavors of their lips, tongues, throats, breasts, nipples, bellies, buttocks, vaginas, clits, thighs, and various and sundry other body parts, but also the "flavors" of their minds, hearts, and souls. Of course, some women are simple and one-dimensional, but others offer unexpected nuances, complexities and poignancy.

As Robert Heinlein might have asked, Do you "grok"?

Similarly, I have come to appreciate the "flavors" of various cities and countries and believe that some, but not all, mongers might also appreciate field reports on diverse subjects pertaining to international travel in these cities and countries. Some other posters have asked what there is to do in particular areas besides boozing and fucking.

There are various popular "multi-dimensional" threads in this forum, pertaining to Philippine politics and economics, and hotels, restaurants, and so on, related to metro Manila, Angeles, or Cebu. I personally think that Davao, as the third most populous metropolitan area in the Philippines, similarly deserves more than just a monochromatic thread. My disclaimers, at the beginnings of each of the three reports, were an effort to alert readers that these reports pertained to food and travel generally, so that any readers not interested in food and travel would not waste their time in reading further.

To borrow a neatly-turned phrase from X-Man (in a different context in a different thread): "Since you've been around the block a few times, I'm not sure exactly what you are asking, or why. So, I'll just throw a few things out there".

My perception is that, with the appropriate mind-set, sexual opportunity in the Philippines in general, and in Davao City in particular, is not exactly rocket science, and is actually probably somewhat closer to "rolling off a log", but may take a little time and effort.

By no means am I an expert on Davao City but, based on RTFF, I would not spend too much time in searching for sexual opportunity in "hard core" bars in Davao. Instead, would look at a number of non-exclusive approaches:

1. Social media and "dating sites". This has become a preferred choice of many savvy mongers. There have been many excellent posts on this forum by others far more knowledgeable and experienced than I on this topic.

2. Personal networking. Usually productive. Including, but not necessarily limited to, PMs to other posters on this forum who have far more expertise, contacts and suggestions for Davao City.

3. "Open field" sources. The "old fashioned hands-on" approach. If you are attuned, you will pick up on saucy eye contact and sexual vibes from certain potentially interested women virtually anywhere. Restaurants, coffee shops, malls (both shop girls and pedestrians), hotels, offices, churches, clinics, and so on. Of course, not every woman, and not all the time, and not always resulting in instant gratification, but usually enough to keep a monger happily occupied if so inclined.

4. "Bring your own".

Of course, the recently imposed martial law in Mindanao will or may put all of the above into a whole different context. Other, more "traditional" venues most likely will be more productive if you are looking for sexual opportunity. It may not your best use of time to visit Davao, unless you have other business or other interests, or unless you are truly an "old hand".

Just one man's views.

OM.I appreciate you taking the time to paint the picture for me. I am very aware of Makati City, and how to make things work there, but have always paused when thinking of going to Davao.

I will say that my trips to Makati are usually characterized by 1-3 DIA or Pinalove sessions a day (usually 2) + or - a trip to Havana when I get bored. I have never had a bad time there. But I keep meeting Davao ladies on the dating sites who want me to visit, so I am curious about how easily it is to fill up the time when the dating site girls fail to show (or more commonly, fail to answer their cell phones or SMS). I am really in Makati for no other reason than P4 P, although from time to time I mange to get in a few hours of bona fide work that could justify the airfare back home.

I think that on my next trip to the Phils, I will line up a few Davao ladies and make the visit. I think I might be able to keep myself busy. The DIA girls in Davao are extraordinarily pretty.

[GoodEnough]

Hahaha the closest thing I've seen resembling martial law in Davao was a fat cop at the main entrance to Abreeza yesterday who was sitting at the police desk pigging out on a huge lunch.But what you haven't seen, because it's not visible, is the absence of tourists who were flocking to Davao's more expensive hotels and restaurants from Manila almost every day. Since the declaration of martial law, the deluge has become a trickle and some local businesses are hurting, not only in Davao but in other areas of Mindanao as well. I was speaking to a friend and fellow ISG member today who lives in CDO, and he told me that the impact on tourism there has been dramatic. So no, there's no reason to be particularly fearful of coming here, but the declaration has hurt the local economy.

GE.

[Slippery]

I don't get out and about much GE, but at the condo complex where I'm at, we're deluged with weekenders every weekend. I couldn't believe the number of people who came in last weekend. Some are still here, and others have left. I expect that the revolving door will start "wooshing" again tomorrow night (Thursday). You can't even get near the pool on weekends. Now I know why they clean it on Mondays.

I agree, from what I can see, there's no reason to be fearful of coming to Davao, but like I said, I don't get out much. That's just a matter of personal choice. Based on your remarks, if the president lifted martial law tomorrow, its ramifications might be long lasting for those who rely on the tourist industry.

[Chocha Monger]

The intelligence failings of the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the police allowed hundreds of jihadists from at least 14 different Islamic terrorist groups to infiltrate Marawi and stockpile enough weapons, ammunition and supplies to battle the AFP for over a month in spite regular airstrikes. That does not inspire a lot of confidence in their ability to prevent attacks in Davao, especially considering that in the case of the night market bombing the Vice Mayor received warnings two days before but decided not to inform the public.

Terrorist leaders from the Marawi siege have escaped after showing extremely strong resistance to superior numbers and firepower from the AFP. This is expected result in a large boost in the numbers of jihadists joining their ranks and the amount of funds they receive from wealthy backers in oil-rich Islamic countries. So there is a good chance that they will be back stronger and more experienced. Since they succeeded in bombing the central business district in Davao, and there is nothing to make anyone believe they cannot repeat a similar attack, many people are deciding it is not worth the risk to visit Davao unless it is necessary for a very good reason. Some people obviously don't think mongering is a good reason to visit an area under martial law and risk being caught up in a bomb blast. If they did, mongers would be flooding into Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

[Slippery]

Keep up the good work and keep the a $$holes away. I hope they believe every word that you write CM, so keep them up in Angeles and Manila. Davao is by far the safest city that I've ever lived in, but I've only lived in 4 countries.

This stuff has had an impact on my life though. If I have to go to a mall, I go early and come back home by noon. I stay away from the Filipino markets for more reasons than just being a white guy. I just don't go out much anyway, and I've never been to a place in Davao that has liquor and girls, but I've heard that there are such places. I'm not going to those places in this political and religious environment.

Unless he met a girl online who's going to spend a weekend with him at Marco Polo, it's quite frankly, not a good monger destination. Then the guy has to spend the money on flights to and from Manila or Angeles plus hotel. Don't forget to tip the waitress either.

Living in Davao makes life so much easier, including just getting around. I rent. If the SHTF, I'm out. I learned that a long time ago the hard way. There are some very nice girls living in Davao, but their priorities are entirely different than those in the other large cities or Angeles. Been there, done that, and don't need to do it anymore. I'm a lucky bastard on a permanent vacation.

[Chocha Monger]

Keep up the good work and keep the a $$holes away. I hope they believe every word that you write CM, so keep them up in Angeles and Manila. Davao is by far the safest city that I've ever lived in, but I've only lived in 4 countries.

This stuff has had an impact on my life though. If I have to go to a mall, I go early and come back home by noon. I stay away from the Filipino markets for more reasons than just being a white guy. I just don't go out much anyway, and I've never been to a place in Davao that has liquor and girls, but I've heard that there are such places. I'm not going to those places in this political and religious environment.

Unless he met a girl online who's going to spend a weekend with him at Marco Polo, it's quite frankly, not a good monger destination. Then the guy has to spend the money on flights to and from Manila or Angeles plus hotel. Don't forget to tip the waitress either.

Living in Davao makes life so much easier, including just getting around. I rent. If the SHTF, I'm out. I learned that a long time ago the hard way. There are some very nice girls living in Davao, but their priorities are entirely different than those in the other large cities or Angeles. Been there, done that, and don't need to do it anymore. I'm a lucky bastard on a permanent vacation.It is good to know at least one monger is practicing common sense security precautions out there. However, the sex tourists visiting Davao are looking for places with cheap liquor and loose women. So, staying away from the places with alcohol and pussy is just not going to cut it for them on a vacation. When those guys hear that somewhere is safe, they think that it means public drunkenness and solicitation of local girls in public places is acceptable.

Take a look at the DS Davao forum. You will see that the sex tourists visiting Davao were not held in high regard. Some of the most memorable sex tourists who visited the city in the past are as follows: Leaping Larry, a straw hat and overalls wearing clodhopper; Bone Collector, a covetous old geezer with a closet full of dark secrets; and Jellyfish, an envious spineless old schemer who ratted out fellow sex tourists to their Filipinas in the hopes of getting a gratuitous shag. I doubt that Davao City is any poorer without them.

Since each person has their own tolerance for risk, what is safe will vary from person to person. Some people may argue that nowhere is truly safe now. After all, New York was safe until the planes hit the towers, so were London and Paris before Islamic terrorists attacked. Aussies thought that Bali was safe and considered it a tropical paradise until it was ripped apart by bomb blasts. Is Davao City safe? Like the Filipinas say, up to you. What we do know is that late last year a bomb blast shattered the night market in the city killing 14 people and injuring 70. Islamic terrorists carried out the bombing. These same terrorists waged a major urban battle about a 5-hour drive away in Marawi City, and put up fierce resistance for over a month against the best government troops supported with tanks, artillery and ground attack aircraft.

The last death toll for Marawi City was over 500 in total, with more expected to be discovered. The hardcore jihadist leaders managed to slip out of the city and pass through AFP lines, and some of their minions were caught as far away as Iloilo and Manila. Some were even detained with bomb-making materials. They have sworn to retaliate against Duterte by carrying out attacks on his home city of Davao. Apparently, AFP has a hard time identifying terrorists as they manage to travel quite freely. So, what chance does the average monger have in figuring out who may be a terrorist? For all he knows the taxi driver picking him up could be one, or even the girl he met online and took to his room at the Marco Polo for a nice screw. After he shoots his load, rolls over and falls asleep, she could be planting the next IED under the bed. The travel advisories concerning travel to the area are not without cause.

Keep in mind that the West is experiencing a massive surge in anti-Muslim sentiment and there is even a Muslim ban in place in the USA The American military provided logistical, intelligence, and advisory support to Philippines forces to defeat the Muslim militant coalition in Marawi. Americans are a favorite target in Mindanao, but any Western infidel falling into their reach makes the jihadists happy. Davao is not great for mongering like AC, Cebu and Manila. So, traveling there for mongering and risking being hogtied, gagged, hooded and thrown in the trunk of a taxicab for a quick drive to a waiting speedboat would appeal to only a tiny demographic of adventure mongers. These special mongers think nothing of entering countries like Iran or North Korea in search of a good root, and potential to become famous is an added bonus.

[GoodEnough]

Keep up the good work and keep the a $$holes away. I hope they believe every word that you write CM, so keep them up in Angeles and Manila. Davao is by far the safest city that I've ever lived in, but I've only lived in 4 countries.

This stuff has had an impact on my life though. If I have to go to a mall, I go early and come back home by noon. I stay away from the Filipino markets for more reasons than just being a white guy. I just don't go out much anyway, and I've never been to a place in Davao that has liquor and girls, but I've heard that there are such places. I'm not going to those places in this political and religious environment.

Unless he met a girl online who's going to spend a weekend with him at Marco Polo, it's quite frankly, not a good monger destination. Then the guy has to spend the money on flights to and from Manila or Angeles plus hotel. Don't forget to tip the waitress either.

Living in Davao makes life so much easier, including just getting around. I rent. If the SHTF, I'm out. I learned that a long time ago the hard way. There are some very nice girls living in Davao, but their priorities are entirely different than those in the other large cities or Angeles. Been there, done that, and don't need to do it anymore. I'm a lucky bastard on a permanent vacation.I agree with most of this. Davao is still quite safe, though there's no doubt that tourist-dependent businesses are hurting because of martial law. Unlike Slippery, I have been to a few of the "booze and women" sites but not for several years. However, if I were still interested in that, I'the have no fear of going.

Davao is definitely not at the top of the monger destination lists. Everything is available, but some of it requires cultivation and / or knowing where to look. I still enjoy living here, and while in Davao, I never mess around, so the lack of Burgos-type or Angeles-type scenes doesn't bother me at all.

GE.

[Pinaypounder]

Spent a month in Davao last November. It has BY FAR the best police presence in the Philippines. In addition as the President is routinely there there is significant extra Security. Marawi city is about an 8 - 10 hour drive away, I slept there years ago, and toured the local AFP forces with a LT Col as my bodyguard.

I plan to return and to do business there, there are many nice people.

PP.

[GoodEnough]

Spent a month in Davao last November. It has BY FAR the best police presence in the Philippines. In addition as the President is routinely there there is significant extra Security. Marawi city is about an 8 - 10 hour drive away, I slept there years ago, and toured the local AFP forces with a LT Col as my bodyguard.

I plan to return and to do business there, there are many nice people.

PP.Having lived in Davao for more than 15 years, I agree with you. It's generally quite safe, orderly as cities here go, and reasonably clean.

I was in Marawi several tines a few years ago, and like you, found the folks friendly and welcoming. However, from the photos I've seen recently, much of the city has been destroyed by bombs and street combat, and I think it's going to take years to rebuild. It was never much of an economic stronghold, and by now I'm guessing that a large part of the city's economy has been destroyed.

GE.

[GoodEnough]

The latest bad news from Mindanao. A fire at NCCC Mall killed an estimated 37 people.



GE.

[Goferring]

My post in the Chat Rooms Forum pretty much sums up how I approached the P2 P scene and the results.

I stayed at the Casa Leticia hotel near People's Park for P1700 per night. Its in a great location within walking distance to 7/11's, small eateries, several bar precincts. People's Park makes an easy place to describe to intended guests where you are. The rooms are a bit small and their default is two single beds so book accordingly. Wifi, aircon and hot water were all functional for the whole time I was there. Note that the other two Casa Leticias in town are in the business districts offering a lot less access to restaurants, bars etc.

I generally ate at one of the small restaurants around the hotel. However, if I wanted a western meal I would go to Mia Figlia Pasta for pasta or pizzas or De Bonte Koe for full size Dutch and western meals. Both are run by long term foreign residents who love a chat and are a wealth of local info. DBK is also a good source of diving info.

A few PMs have expressed concern about travelling to Mindanao so I want to emphasise that I felt very safe walking around Davao City at all hours. Taxis, restaurants and even girls were all very honest and I wasn't at all concerned for my safety nor wary of rip off scams.

There is an active night life and bar scene though many girls will take some time to develop before sealing the deal. Googling Hot Legs or Auto Shop Bar will give you the location of a couple of precincts within walking distance to the Leticia. I was the only foreigner anywhere when I went but never felt unwelcome nor unsafe. Civilian and working girls started to roll in about 10 pm. The one KTV I went to was expensive but had gorgeous girls. See the PG for an example. Big Boobies featured heavily.

The predominate body type for the girls was tits and asrse with big tits suspended off a light frame. I saw a few spinners but not a lot. Many also come with exceptionally pretty faces.

[Soapy Smith]

A note about a delightful little eatery that I "discovered" last week in just my second trip to Davao. A trusted friend had suggested it, and so I set off to find it. The cab driver didn't know the place by name but easily made his way to the location I had been told. Named "Mia Figlia Pasta" (my daughter's pasta, I think), it specializes in traditional Italian cuisine. Not the sweet banana ketchup Italian stuff that Filipinos know, but a most faithful Italian cuisine from products shipped directly from Italy. The place is small, only about a year old, but the owners (he, semi-retired American, and she, a younger Filipina) are making a profit and plan to expand into a next door business and an outside covered terrace between the shop and street. I tried from among the several marinara and pasta recipes and added a quarter chicken roasted in a traditional French rotisserie style. Both were faithful to classic European styles that you never expect to find in the Philippines--and at reasonable prices.

The American owner regaled me with his several years of Philippine experiences and acknowledged they were fighting to absorb the beating the Piso is currently suffering in exchange for the Euro. It seems their cheeses, salami, sauce ingredients and pasta come directly from Italy, and they refuse to skimp by substituting inferior products from elsewhere. They also have a selection of top notch European wines and small batches of brewed coffee, and the American owner is full of suggestions for drinks to complement the menu. It's clear they have attracted a small local clientele of sophisticated families who know how to separate the kernel from the chaff.

Highly recommended. Just tell your cab driver, "corner of Mabini and Mariner. " Not in the heart of downtown, but well worth the adventure.

[Goferring]

A note about a delightful little eatery that I "discovered" last week in just my second trip to Davao. A trusted friend had suggested it, and so I set off to find it. The cab driver didn't know the place by name but easily made his way to the location I had been told. Named "Mia Figlia Pasta" (my daughter's pasta, I think).+1. Be prepared to loose a day just chatting with the owner.

[Soapy Smith]

+1. Be prepared to loose a day just chatting with the owner.LOL! Take that up with the owner. Actually, at my advanced age that's not necessarily a bad use of time.

[Goferring]

LOL! Take that up with the owner. Actually, at my advanced age that's not necessarily a bad use of time.Just to clarify that I meant it in a positive way.

He loves a chat and is a wealth of knowledge about the area. Before you know it you have been talking for hours.

[PBtoCobra]

Recently returned from 4 days in Davao, stayed the first night at The Marco Polo, gave a toast to the departed Dragon Slayer, for without his forum and posts, I would have a lot less info on the city.

I left the Taxi with all my possessions while I found a money changer, as my flight was diverted en-route from KL and I got to Davao 3 hours late. He was still waiting for us on my return to pay a 500 p bill! Honesty was much appreciated.

Spent the night with jet lag being taken around by my GF, and introduced to the family, and witnessed first hand the living conditions she has. At no point did I ever feel unsafe. We went to a restaurant and a bar until quite late, great fun.

Spent 4 days and 3 Nights at Pearl Farm Beach Resort on Samal Island, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Recommended.

On the last day, hung out with the GF's family, and did the grocery shopping, by motorcycle trike and bicycle trike. As it was my first time in the Philippines, my GF wanted me to experience all it had to offer.

I would have announced my trip, but the forum move meant the lost password recovery Capture image was not working, so I was unable to post for many weeks until now.

In Davao, outside of the MP hotel, I did not see any other Western guys until I got to Pearl Farm.

I would have no issue in returning to Davao, and now I know the complexity of leaving the country I will be more relaxed and have more time.

For those of you who know the procedure, skip the next bit, it's for those of us who have never experienced leaving before.

We were flying Air Asia to JHB via KL. With Premium Tickets, so we skipped the main line and straight to the Premium Desk. Security Guard tells us we need to Pay Tourist Tax, and directed us to a counter, so we left the queue.

Went to a scrum of bodies where passports were checked, the tourist tax, apparently does not apply to Foreigners, or at least I did not have to pay it, and neither did my GF. So a waste of time.

Back to the Premium Queue, where we joined the short queue, they were not really managing it effectively, so we had to push our way in after a few others pushed in. So it was done in a slowly slowly, nice way.

Had some Seniors complain behind me, saying why is he in the line? Note the Senior and Premium Line is the same. The Security Guard pushed the Seniors back into the main line and told them to wait.

All checked in manually as the computers were down, hand written baggage tags were not a good sign, and the bags were directed to JHB which was our final destination. No need to pick them up in KL which was good.

Food choices were limited, so we had to go in the domestic side, leaving our passports with security in order to grab some food. Our passports were returned without them even checking the pictures, so I made a point of showing my picture and giving them a smile.

Now, this is where it got really interesting. My GF forgot to tell me we needed to pay an exit Tax of 700 php each, and they only accept cash. So I then had to leave the airport, find an ATM and get some cash, re-enter the airport and pay the money.

Then we got to Exit Immigration checks, where I got through easily, but my GF did not, and had to have an interview and fill out some paperwork. It was getting closer and closer to departure time.

I stood next to the Interview Desk and had to help with some of the answers and show her return ticket to Davao, how long we knew each other and where we met etc Perhaps because I had the boarding passes and passports that they felt she was being trafficked?

Or that she has no job, but is traveling.

We had given at least 2 and a half hours to get to the gate area, and had we not been able to bypass the Air Asia bag drop, we probably would not have made it.

So my advice, get to the airport around 3 hours before, on the afternoon flight out of Davao (2 pm) Make sure you have all the cash you need. Let your GF have her own papers. And most importantly, pay the extra for Premium, it's not a lot of money in the overall scheme of things.

Love the friendly people in Davao, looking forward to visiting it again soon.

[PBtoCobra]

Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.

[Dg8787]

Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.Depends on how extravagant and expensive you want to be. Also is the celebration to be in Davao or elsewhere? Out of the country?

How romantic do you want to be?

Who is on the invite list? Her family? How many people?

What's your budget?

If all else fails, fall back to Jollibee, make sure you have Chicken and spaghetti on the menu.

[Sxxxx]

Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.Money is something they have never got, and rarely get their hands on. Instead of spending money on birthday cakes, drinks for relations etc, give something that will impress.

Such as a nice birthday card with some blue notes inside. Then she can buy stuff to make her day. Give her freedom to mix with parents, relations. Keep well clear, let her have fun spending that money you gave her (inside nice birthday card) with relations and friends. Following day, she will give you a fuck to remember.

[Simmer]

Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.Eagle sanctuary was pleasant, though it's probably 10 years since I went there. We're unlikely to go back to Davao anytime soon as I have no desire to tempt any kidnappers. Don't tell me I'm paranoid or there is nothing to worry about. The risk is small but has increased in recent years, and there are plenty of other places in the Philippines to go. I know a few Filipinos who chose to move north than stay in the region.

[Sxxxx]

Eagle sanctuary was pleasant, though it's probably 10 years since I went there. We're unlikely to go back to Davao anytime soon as I have no desire to tempt any kidnappers. Don't tell me I'm paranoid or there is nothing to worry about. The risk is small but has increased in recent years, and there are plenty of other places in the Philippines to go. I know a few Filipinos who chose to move north than stay in the region.Good advice, especially for a newbie, who has yet to consider the 'dark side' of the Philippines, and Mindinao in particular. He would unknowingly be walking around Davao with "Soft Target" written all over him.

Like you, I have visited Davao many times, but don't go there anymore, these days.

If she is a 'must have item' , I'd send her an air ticket to Cebu, and fraternise with her there.

Ain't love grand!

[GoodEnough]

Eagle sanctuary was pleasant, though it's probably 10 years since I went there. We're unlikely to go back to Davao anytime soon as I have no desire to tempt any kidnappers. Don't tell me I'm paranoid or there is nothing to worry about. The risk is small but has increased in recent years, and there are plenty of other places in the Philippines to go. I know a few Filipinos who chose to move north than stay in the region.Eagle Sanctuary is a good place, as is Eden Park, Crocodile Park, various zip line rides, and, on Samal Island (20 minute boat ride) various beach resorts. There's also now a huge variety of restaurants and clubs.

GE.

[Chocha Monger]

Thinking of surprising my GF by visiting Davao for a significant birthday for her.

What is there that would be nice to do on her birthday? She says she never really celebrates it. So I would like some ideas if you can provide any.Get a posh hotel room, liquor, and a box of chocolates. Then celebrate her birthday filling her up with as much cream pie as you can deliver. Try to serve her 10 or more cream pies. She will love it, and always remember that particular birthday. The way to a Pinay's heart is cream pie first, followed with cash rewards. Make sure you stock up enough crme filling well in advance for her birthday cream pie surprise.

Get a posh hotel room, liquor, and a box of chocolates. Then celebrate her birthday filling her up with as much cream pie as you can deliver. Try to serve her 10 or more cream pies. She will love it, and always remember that particular birthday. The way to a Pinay's heart is cream pie first, followed with cash rewards. Make sure you stock up enough crme filling well in advance for her birthday cream pie surprise.

[Chocha Monger]

I left the Taxi with all my possessions while I found a money changer, as my flight was diverted en-route from KL and I got to Davao 3 hours late. He was still waiting for us on my return to pay a 500 p bill! Honesty was much appreciated.

Spent the night with jet lag being taken around by my GF, and introduced to the family, and witnessed first hand the living conditions she has. At no point did I ever feel unsafe. We went to a restaurant and a bar until quite late, great fun.

Spent 4 days and 3 Nights at Pearl Farm Beach Resort on Samal Island, and thoroughly enjoyed it. Recommended.

On the last day, hung out with the GF's family, and did the grocery shopping, by motorcycle trike and bicycle trike. As it was my first time in the Philippines, my GF wanted me to experience all it had to offer.
Davao is not what it seems on the surface. It may look and feel like Sleepy Hollow. However, acts of terror like the Davao night market bombing punctuate the peaceful dreamy ambiance without warning, much like the visits of the Headless Horseman to Sleepy Hollow. Feeling safe and secure is just an emotional state that does not indicate actual security conditions. That feeling can come from being unaware of existing hidden threats or overconfidence in the ability to survive them once they present themselves. No one feels unsafe until the first bomb blast tears through a crowded public place or heavily armed terrorists reveal themselves and snatch hostages. This is the reason terrorism is a potent weapon that has psychological effects that extend far beyond the immediate space and time of the overwhelming violence involved. Terrorists choose targets where people feel safe and secure to catch them unawares and prove them wrong, which destroys their illusions that the state can protect them.

Samal Island looks like a little paradise. However, almost three years ago, 11 terrorists swarmed over the security guard at Holiday Oceanview Samal Resort in a night attack kidnapping three foreigners and a Filipina. The terrorists hustled their captives into two motorized bancas and sped off by sea. Approximately, 30 foreigners were staying at the resort at the time of the raid. The significant presence of Westerners is not an indication of safety, to the contrary, it presents a very tempting target-rich environment for terrorists looking for hostages or simply looking to inflict as much foreign casualties as possible to make an international statement in the media.

Filipinas may want their foreigner boyfriend to have the full Philippine experience, but the foreigner must know that his Filipina's risk is not anywhere as high as his risk. She is very likely to survive his kidnapping or assassination unharmed and return to her family safely. Filipino terrorist kidnappers and robbers do not place the same value on the foreigner's life although one would think so because his family and friends are much more likely to be capable of raising at least several tens of thousands of dollars for ransom than the Filipina's family. These criminals tend to avoid killing or harming their womenfolk when going after their foreign target, partly because of cultural and political reasons. Hence, when she says it is safe, it provides no assurance to her foreign companion. If a monger would not entrust his life savings to a Filipina for safekeeping, he should think very carefully about doing so with his life, especially in Mindanao and the Sulu Sea provinces.

http://cnnphilippines.com/regional/2015/09/22/3-foreigners-Filipina-kidnapped-Samal-Davao-del-Norte.html

[GoodEnough]

Good advice, especially for a newbie, who has yet to consider the 'dark side' of the Philippines, and Mindinao in particular. He would unknowingly be walking around Davao with "Soft Target" written all over him.

Like you, I have visited Davao many times, but don't go there anymore, these days.

If she is a 'must have item' , I'd send her an air ticket to Cebu, and fraternise with her there.

Ain't love grand!Strange, the differences of opinion. I've now lived here for about 18 years, think it's likely the safest place I've ever lived and in many respects, feel it's the best place to live in the country. Given that the expat population here continues to explode exponentially, it appears that there are more than a few who agree with me. The only problem for me here is that the city is growing economically so fast that the traffic is becoming much worse year on year, and though major roadworks have been initiated, the infra improvements cannot keep pace with the city's rapid growth.

GE.

[Soapy Smith]

Davao is not what it seems on the surface. It may look and feel like Sleepy Hollow. However, acts of terror like the Davao night market bombing punctuate the peaceful dreamy ambiance without warning, much like the visits of the Headless Horseman to Sleepy Hollow. Feeling safe and secure is just an emotional state that does not indicate actual security conditions. That feeling can come from being unaware of existing hidden threats or overconfidence in the ability to survive them once they present themselves. http://cnnphilippines.com/regional/2015/09/22/3-foreigners-Filipina-kidnapped-Samal-Davao-del-Norte.htmlHow true. Imagine the surprise of gay people partying at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, or the country and western concert goers in the open air in Las Vegas when gun-toting crazies cut loose. There have been so many such unexpected incidents in recent years in the states, that it sort of begs credulity to hold up Davao as an example of hidden threats. Perhaps it's safest just to stay in a mother's basement in Detroit or Newark, clacking away on a keyboard and searching the internet all day as your exclusive window on the world.

[Dg8787]

How true. Imagine the surprise of gay people partying at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, or the country and western concert goers in the open air in Las Vegas when gun-toting crazies cut loose. There have been so many such unexpected incidents in recent years in the states, that it sort of begs credulity to hold up Davao as an example of hidden threats. Perhaps it's safest just to stay in a mother's basement in Detroit or Newark, clacking away on a keyboard and searching the internet all day as your exclusive window on the world.Totally agree with your insights SS. CM don't forget to stock up on JO lotion. Best to get amazon delivery than to venture out to the local store. It's dangerous out there.

[Sxxxx]

Anyway, I don't know if he is worth it lads.

He can pay for air ticket to Phils, expensive hotel, restaurants, purchases for her family and friends (all 300 of them, LOL) , but can NOT pay for ISG membership, it seems.

Personal security is number one. He would have no idea about that, other than accessing a website like ISG and the views on it here.

No such extreme violence (murder) as Soapy states has ever happened in Cebu City, thus a better town to romance her, methinks.

As CM says, flip friends do not understand the "attention" foreigners attract. Girls drawn to foreigners and criminals too.

They are all infatuated with our ability to access an ATM apparently, LOL.

There was another poster who said he accessed the ATM in the Phils, incl. Possibly a receipt indicating the withdrawal, but NO money popped out. That would be the end of your romance, if your 'squeeze' was standing next to you, at the time, LOL!

P.S. : don't let them see your numbers. I had an email from a dearly departed friend, called Ol' Joe (some of you might remember him) who, in Davao, unknowingly let his squeeze see the card numbers he punched in at the ATM. He was a sick man in final months of Parkinsons (after 30 yrs of it). Whilst he was asleep she was busy running around Davao City, emptying out his credit card.

And saying that nothing will happen in Davao is ok, but what if it does happen (again) ?. Way back, folks were blown up by a terrorist bomb outside the Davao Airport. Yeh, ancient history, but these things do happen in Muslim inhabited Mindinao. And folks should know about these things so THEY can make up their mind if they still want to visit the place. Myself, I did not give up because of danger, I stopped visiting Davao cause it was not a "sexy city". Too slow a pace, too slow everything. Suits some, but does not suit a fossil like me.

Forum is for expressing views. Nothing wrong with that, so long as newbies have access to all of them (views / opinions), LOL.

Have fun, wherever you are.

[Simmer]

How true. Imagine the surprise of gay people partying at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, or the country and western concert goers in the open air in Las Vegas when gun-toting crazies cut loose. There have been so many such unexpected incidents in recent years in the states, that it sort of begs credulity to hold up Davao as an example of hidden threats. Perhaps it's safest just to stay in a mother's basement in Detroit or Newark, clacking away on a keyboard and searching the internet all day as your exclusive window on the world.With respect, the situation in Mindanao is an ongoing threat, or presence if you like. Orlando and Vegas (and San Bernadino which struck home as my family uses services at the very place) were the work of one or two mad people. Pretty much an anomaly as far as the victims go. Put it another way, Vegas et al could not possibly have known the sudden threat to their lives, whereas southern Mindanao is perpetually "unwise" for foreigners generally for the time being.

GoodEnough has lots of experience there so would probably have a better sense of any imminent danger than the rest of us would. I've been to Samal island several times (Pearl Farm); my wife's parents lived just north of Davao. I was well aware at the time there was a presence further southwest, but that risk has increased. That's enough for me to explore other places instead, and the in-laws don't live there anymore either nor does anybody else I know.

[GoodEnough]

I doubt that anyone can point to any reliable statistics indicating that foreigners are targeted here, and I'the remind everyone that the kidnapping from the resort a couple of years ago did not occur in Davao, but on Samal. Yes, there have been intermittent acts of violence directed against other Filipinos and yes, it's possible that should such acts recur, some unlucky foreigners might get hurt or killed. However, to my knowledge, foreigners in Davao are not (and have not historically been) targets and again, I'm talking here of Davao and not other areas of Mindanao.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to visit here; in fact, there are quite enough foreigners here and it's fine with me if others decide to avoid the city. However, to avoid Davao because "something may happen" seems, as Soapy has implied, absurd. I have long-time resident, expat friends here who routinely ride jeepneys, take trikes, walk, and avoid car ownership. They feel much safer taking public transportation here than in Manila simply because the odds on getting robbed on a jeepney here are about nil, whereas in Manila it's a common occurrence. The fact is that most Davaeños I know (and I know a lot) are quite proud of the law and order reputation of their city and would likely go out of their way to assure foreign visitors of its safety.

Unlike some posters, I'm not a great advocate of Cebu. I find it noisy, traffic clogged, dirty and unenjoyable, but to each his own. During my last trip to Cebu, by the way, I was warned twice by hotel staff to remove all gold jewelry; to leave most of my cash in the hotel safe; to carry only one credit card, and not to walk very far anywhere. Why? "Lots of robbers sir. " That's an admonition one would never receive here.

A propos of nothing much, Davao is one of three major cities designated by President Duterte as developing economic hubs. Thus, lots of government money is pouring into the city for the construction of infrastructure, and the whole Davao-Gen San-CDO corridor is being transformed rapidly. Davao in particular is changing more rapidly than at any time during my tenure here: more folks with more money; more new businesses; more condos; the imminent introduction of a municipal bus service and the long-term plan to eliminate jeepneys; and a general rise in the sophistication of the population. I believe that much the same thing is happening in CDO.

GE.

[Chocha Monger]

P.S. : don't let them see your numbers. I had an email from a dearly departed friend, called Ol' Joe (some of you might remember him) who, in Davao, unknowingly let his squeeze see the card numbers he punched in at the ATM. He was a sick man in final months of Parkinsons (after 30 yrs of it). Whilst he was asleep she was busy running around Davao City, emptying out his credit card.

And saying that nothing will happen in Davao is ok, but what if it does happen (again) ?. Way back, folks were blown up by a terrorist bomb outside the Davao Airport. Yeh, ancient history, but these things do happen in Muslim inhabited Mindinao. And folks should know about these things so THEY can make up their mind if they still want to visit the place. Myself, I did not give up because of danger, I stopped visiting Davao cause it was not a "sexy city"..All the girls dream of catching a man like Ole Joe. When choosing a foreigner to date or marry, many Filipinas adhere to the rule of the Four M's Matandang Mayaman at Madaling Mamatay (Old, Rich, and will die soon). The more infirm the foreign boyfriend or husband the better, as he is dependent on his much young Pinay darling due to mobility issues. She knows that an elderly fellow with issues like senility and Alzheimer's disease is totally at her mercy, and she will clean him out financially without much trouble. It makes things easier for her, as a fella losing his mental sharpness is less likely to figure things out when she moves in her "brother" or "cousin" to help around the house. Except that he is actually her undercover Pinoy boyfriend, and after the old foreigner's hearing aids come out at night, the girlfriend is free to make the beast with the two backs without fear of discovery.

When considering whether to visit a place with a history of terrorist attacks, kidnappings, and ISIS fighters on the loose, individual risk appetite and tolerance will vary. The monger will have to consider if the opportunities to fuck Filipinas are better and more worthwhile than other venues in the Philippines without the same level of threats. When it comes to mongering, Davao is pretty much a backwater with very little to offer in the way of that. There is nothing unique there for a monger looking to drain his balls and get a bit of relaxation that he cannot find elsewhere.

Now, there are the "adventure tourism" fellas with a large risk appetite who are thrilled at the thought that they may be kidnapped, caught in a bomb blast, or make a guest appearance in an ISIS music video. For them, Davao and nearby Marawi are great adventure sex-tourism destinations. The other group consists of fellas with a high level of risk tolerance with not much time left on their clocks due to advanced age or terminal illness. They know more or less that the Grim Reaper will along shortly to collect them, and they no longer care for their personal safety as they already lived out most of their allotted time anyway. They may even prefer going out with a bang or having their necks shortened, instead of slowly fading away in a hospital bed. In that case, increased risk is hardly a factor. Visiting Davao to work harder to find Filipinas for a fuck than in Cebu, Manila, or Angeles City may be something on their bucket list.

[Wicked Roger]

However, to avoid Davao because "something may happen" The fact is that most Davaeos I know (and I know a lot) are quite proud of the law and order reputation of their city and would likely go out of their way to assure foreign visitors of its safety.

Unlike some posters, I'm not a great advocate of Cebu. I find it noisy, traffic clogged, dirty and unenjoyable, but to each his own. During my last trip to Cebu, by the way, I was warned twice by hotel staff to remove all gold jewelry; to leave most of my cash in the hotel safe; to carry only one credit card, and not to walk very far anywhere. Why? "Lots of robbers sir. " That's an admonition one would never receive here.


GE.I agree with GE and having been to Davao a few times I found the place safe and much quieter plus a range of good eateries some of which GE recommended.

The one thing GE and I disagree on is Cebu but I take the point as clearly there are more tourists there now and this gives more opportunity to snatchers. Cuties I know have been held up on jeepneys recently for example. Traffic is getting worse sadly (was never fantastic) but now rush hours is getting longer especially around Ayala and SM. Can be very messy early evening.

[KenDavis03]

Let me first say, I have been reading through the forum trying to answer my own question, but I'm not sure what to think.

I'm taking a business trip to Manila in a couple of weeks which I'm looking forward to because I know Manila a tiny bit and always have a great time. However, this time I need to do a single half day meeting down in Davao, where I've never been. It'll be easy enough to fly down there for a night and have the meetings. But I always like to have a little fun along the way and that's where I'm concerned.

I am a classic white guy, late 40's, tall and slightly overweight. I live in SE Asia part time and have plenty of experience being careful, but I am getting very conflicting reports about Daveo. My biz contact there said not to go out at night, but a monger friend of mine said not worry about it. Meanwhile, the forum certainly tells me not to worry just by being in town. I'm staying at Marco Polo and will only be going to meetings in the central area, and in the morning.

But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!!

[Goferring]

I am a classic white guy, late 40's, tall and slightly overweight. I live in SE Asia part time and have plenty of experience being careful, but I am getting very conflicting reports about Daveo. My biz contact there said not to go out at night, but a monger friend of mine said not worry about it. Meanwhile, the forum certainly tells me not to worry just by being in town. I'm staying at Marco Polo and will only be going to meetings in the central area, and in the morning.

But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!!I like to think I'm also reasonably street wise without being suicidal and earlier this year I was perfectly comfortable walking around the inner city at any time day or night. I was staying close to the Marco Polo.


A few PMs have expressed concern about travelling to Mindanao so I want to emphasise that I felt very safe walking around Davao City at all hours. Taxis, restaurants and even girls were all very honest and I wasn't at all concerned for my safety nor wary of rip off scams.

There is an active night life and bar scene though many girls will take some time to develop before sealing the deal. Googling Hot Legs or Auto Shop Bar will give you the location of a couple of precincts within walking distance to the Leticia. I was the only foreigner anywhere when I went but never felt unwelcome nor unsafe. Civilian and working girls started to roll in about 10 pm. The one KTV I went to was expensive but had gorgeous girls. See the PG for an example. Big Boobies featured heavily.

The predominate body type for the girls was tits and asrse with big tits suspended off a light frame. I saw a few spinners but not a lot. Many also come with exceptionally pretty faces.If you want a safe and certain option where price is not the determining factor, try the KTVs in town.

These came from ET KTV:


I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.

Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.

[Wicked Roger]

But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!!Davao is a great place to visit, safe and friendly if a tad more conservative in some area IMHO and it is not like Burgos where I think you have more chance of being mugged in broad daylight then Davao.

Go visit, you are in a nice hotel where I have stayed before and is very comfy and safe.

Just research the girl to make sure she will come on time do as all agreed and stays as agreed. For that that has taken time and effort as well as caused angst in the past LOL.

[KenDavis03]

Davao is a great place to visit, safe and friendly if a tad more conservative in some area IMHO and it is not like Burgos where I think you have more chance of being mugged in broad daylight then Davao.

Go visit, you are in a nice hotel where I have stayed before and is very comfy and safe.

Just research the girl to make sure she will come on time do as all agreed and stays as agreed. For that that has taken time and effort as well as caused angst in the past LOL.Thanks that's very positive info. I would love to research a girl, but I was thinking I would have to go out and find one. You said 'come on time and stays as agreed' - is there a service or something you are referring to? Thanks!

[Dg8787]

Let me first say, I have been reading through the forum trying to answer my own question, but I'm not sure what to think.

I'm taking a business trip to Manila in a couple of weeks which I'm looking forward to because I know Manila a tiny bit and always have a great time. However, this time I need to do a single half day meeting down in Davao, where I've never been. It'll be easy enough to fly down there for a night and have the meetings. But I always like to have a little fun along the way and that's where I'm concerned.

I am a classic white guy, late 40's, tall and slightly overweight. I live in SE Asia part time and have plenty of experience being careful, but I am getting very conflicting reports about Daveo. My biz contact there said not to go out at night, but a monger friend of mine said not worry about it. Meanwhile, the forum certainly tells me not to worry just by being in town. I'm staying at Marco Polo and will only be going to meetings in the central area, and in the morning.

But, what about at night? I have a lot to lose, so I usually stick to pricy but trusted agencies if possible, unless I'm somewhere that's lower risk like BKK or Manila. I'd sure like to have some Davao fun but I'm struggling to make a simple, safe plan that isn't going to be regrettable. Not to be inflating prices for anyone, but the truth is I have more money than time and am happy to pay for a safer, more sure-thing arrangement.

Anyways, much appreciate any opinions or input thank you!!You have 2 different risk factors.

One is risk of criminal elements and or kidnappers. Most if not all experienced travelers to Davao will tell you Davao is safer than Manila and other PH cities you have been to. No worries here unless you increase your risk by stupidity.

I believe your real concern is the riskiness of finding some bed action. You have a lot to lose therefore you must use your big brain instead if the little one. You will need a middleman to provide you, which possibly may be slim out there. After all Davao is not know for pnp. I suggest you might ask a doorman for a referral and interview her over a cup of coffee before going to your room. If she doesn't pass your interview then just pay her something plus her transport and on to the next one. If someone sees you having coffee with a girl, you can just she was a friend of a friend asking about any jobs in Manila and you were just helping her out.

Your big mistake will be taking advice from people here who are not and never will be in your shoes.

[Kabul Guy]

Totally agree with your insights SS. CM don't forget to stock up on JO lotion. Best to get amazon delivery than to venture out to the local store. It's dangerous out there.Are you not afraid to open the door for the delivery guy?

I always get a laugh at the American culture of fear. They are afraid of just about every country. (I met a Canadian Customs guy once who said it was common for Americans to come to Canada with handguns because of the threat of hostile Indians and polar bears.) and yet they live in what is arguably the most dangerous country in the developed world.

Common sense will take you just about everywhere in the world safely, this is from a guy who spent 9 years in Afghanistan and visited 25 out of 33 provinces, stayed in local villages with the local headman etc.

[Dg8787]

Are you not afraid to open the door for the delivery guy?

I always get a laugh at the American culture of fear. They are afraid of just about every country. (I met a Canadian Customs guy once who said it was common for Americans to come to Canada with handguns because of the threat of hostile Indians and polar bears.) and yet they live in what is arguably the most dangerous country in the developed world.

Common sense will take you just about everywhere in the world safely, this is from a guy who spent 9 years in Afghanistan and visited 25 out of 33 provinces, stayed in local villages with the local headman etc.I am not afraid to open the front door. I think you missed my point.

Common sense with street smarts will keep you alive and safe longer.

[GoodEnough]

Are you not afraid to open the door for the delivery guy?

I always get a laugh at the American culture of fear. They are afraid of just about every country. (I met a Canadian Customs guy once who said it was common for Americans to come to Canada with handguns because of the threat of hostile Indians and polar bears.) and yet they live in what is arguably the most dangerous country in the developed world.

Kabul Guy, I'the love to buy you a beer. If you're ever in Davao, please feel free to collect on that offer. The timorousness of some people amazes me. I understand taking reasonable precautions, but to extend this climate of fear to Davao seems absurd, given the reality on the ground.

I worked in Mozambique at the end of the civil war, and in S. Sudan during continued hostilities. In both cases, I drove around the country, schmoozed with the locals, took reasonable precautions, and emerged unscathed. I've trekked through the jungles in Basilan with the leaders of small, isolated towns and am the richer for it, and worked in Tajikistan shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union, with thugs in black leather jacket carrying automatic weapons on most corners, and I had a great time. Living under a blanket of fear must be debilitating.

Having lived and / or worked sporadically in 57 countries during my career, I can state unequivocally that I believe Davao to be the safest place I've ever lived. I have no personal stake in convincing others to come here, and my attitude is one of indifference. But I do encourage those who want to come not to succumb to irrational, and baseless fear. Finally, though Davao's "scene" isn't quite as overt as those in Manila or Cebu, it's not a hidden secret either, and it's very easy to find.

GE.

[Soapy Smith]

I am not afraid to open the front door. I think you missed my point.I think KG did get your point, and he was piling on sarcasm.

[Soapy Smith]

I take Simmer's point that there is a long history of hostility in Miindanao, some of it has targeted Davao, and we should therefore be cautious in traveling there. To me the point is that, because we know the source of the threat, it is possible to take precautions accordingly. The same would be true for GE's experiences in Basilan, South Sudan, and Tajikistan. Presumably he and others operated with a sense of caution. My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.

But sometimes the source of threat is less predictable. The most lethal terrorist attack in the Philippines occurred on the SuperFerry 14, one hour after it left the Port of Manila on February 27,2004. 116 people died from a bomb blast originating in a television left on board by a terrorist who left the ferry before it departed. But should any of this make us afraid to open the door to accept the Amazon package delivery? I think the rewards for venturing out are just too great.

[Simmer]

My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.I wasn't aware of the checkpoints. That information does ease my concerns a little.

I've certainly been to places where I've not felt safe at all. A wrong turn in New Orleans. A beachfront encounter in Rio de Janeiro (saved by a friend who spoke Portuguese and overheard would-be muggers). A little uneasy in Tijuana. Suspicious jostling in the markets of Istanbul. Etc.

But generally in the Philippines I've felt fairly safe, even when the locals say "you're crazy to walk around there by yourself. Kuya will go with you". But random attacks are possible virtually anywhere, whether Vegas or Manila, and we can do nothing about those so should not worry about them otherwise fear wins.

[GoodEnough]

The same would be true for GE's experiences in Basilan, South Sudan, and Tajikistan. Presumably he and others operated with a sense of caution. My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.
The police presence on the streets here has increased rather dramatically lately, and there are also checkpoints on many of the major roads. For reasons I don't really understand, most of the checkpoints focus on motorcycles, and tend to leave the drivers of four wheel vehicles alone. Davao police have also been equipped over the past 6 months with quite modern Mitsubishi police cars, and their presence is ubiquitous, which I find pretty reassuring. In my part of town at least, one is never very far from a police car, often parked in the same spot every day. This makes finding police assistance a relatively simple matter.

As others have said, the potential for danger in one guise or another lurks around the corner in every country on earth and in that respect I suppose, Davao is no different from anyplace else.

GE.

[Retgilpo]

I take Simmer's point that there is a long history of hostility in Miindanao, some of it has targeted Davao, and we should therefore be cautious in traveling there. To me the point is that, because we know the source of the threat, it is possible to take precautions accordingly. The same would be true for GE's experiences in Basilan, South Sudan, and Tajikistan. Presumably he and others operated with a sense of caution. My own experience has been that the government security checkpoints for anybody entering Davao by land are quite thorough. I take GE's conclusion that Davao has become relatively safer.

But sometimes the source of threat is less predictable. The most lethal terrorist attack in the Philippines occurred on the SuperFerry 14, one hour after it left the Port of Manila on February 27,2004. 116 people died from a bomb blast originating in a television left on board by a terrorist who left the ferry before it departed. But should any of this make us afraid to open the door to accept the Amazon package delivery? I think the rewards for venturing out are just too great.I was 6 weeks ago with my ozamis girffriend in Davao City, 3 nites.

I did not see Anny checkpoints.

I did not see Anny police we walked about 1500 m in all directions.

There was never a curfew (so I cancelled a few flights to davao for nothing after Marawi).

And They even let me for the first time in my life in with my girlfriend in hotlegs in Palma Gil!

Hotlegs on Inigo is turned in a male dancing bar.

The males much better than on mactan Island but we where not in the mood.

So I don't understand the remarks made here.

The bikini bars where almost empty (that's why they let me in).

I don't understand that cause it are pinoy oriented bars.

Most bars even get outside coke for us.

A miracle for red horse bars!

[Sxxxx]

I was 6 weeks ago with my ozamis girffriend in Davao City, 3 nites.

I did not see Any ............................. So I don't understand the remarks made here.

......................The bikini bars where almost empty (that's why they let me in).Nice to get a report from someone who has actually in Davao very recently.

It seems some of the armchair experts and residents of Davao have got it wrong.

[GoodEnough]

Nice to get a report from someone who has actually in Davao very recently.

It seems some of the armchair experts and residents of Davao have got it wrong.Nope. We didn't get it wrong. Checkpoints are strung out along major approaches into the city, and as of yesterday were still there; at least on MacArthur Highway. Stationery police cars are still there as well, strung out along Torres St and Circumferential Road every day and every night. Even better, the KTVs, where (my opinion) one finds the best looking P4 P girls are flourishing and entry is not a problem.

GE.

[Red Kilt]

The police presence on the streets here has increased rather dramatically lately, and there are also checkpoints on many of the major roads.Doesn't the fact that the police presence "has increased rather dramatically lately", with "checkpoints on many of the major roads" point to a perceived imminent increased threat of some type to the previously peaceful law and order situation?

My experience of living in Davao some 16 years ago was of a peaceful town with very few police visible anywhere.

I would be alarmed if this has now changed. A dramatic increase of police presence on the streets anywhere in the Philippines is not reassuring for me.

[Sxxxx]

I was 6 weeks ago with my ozamis girffriend in Davao City, 3 nites.

I did not see Any checkpoints.

I did not see Any police we walked about 1500 m in all directions.

There was never a curfew (so I cancelled a few flights to davao for nothing after Marawi).

And they even let me for the first time in my life in with my girlfriend in Hotlegs in Palma Gil!

Hotlegs on Inigo is turned into a male dancing bar.

The males much better than on mactan Island but we where not in the mood.

So I don't understand the remarks made here.

The bikini bars were almost empty (that's why they let me in).

I don't understand that cause it are pinoy oriented bars.

Most bars even get outside coke for us.

A miracle for red horse bars!I will go with Retgilpo's report rather than some others, who have a reason for promoting Davao.

If a town is popular for our hobby, there will be a lot of posts on that towns thread. Nothing much 'sexy' on this Davao thread, LOL.

Go Retgilpo, go!

[Bushes]

I never like increase in police, military or any other gun toting groups. You can get caught in the crossfire. Or something already hit the fan and they are closing the barn door. One of my regulars wants me to visit her in Davao. I politely declined. If it stops raining so much, I might arrange a beach trip.


I would be alarmed if this has now changed. A dramatic increase of police presence on the streets anywhere in the Philippines is not reassuring for me.

[GoodEnough]

Doesn't the fact that the police presence "has increased rather dramatically lately", with "checkpoints on many of the major roads" point to a perceived imminent increased threat of some type to the previously peaceful law and order situation?

My experience of living in Davao some 16 years ago was of a peaceful town with very few police visible anywhere.

I would be alarmed if this has now changed. A dramatic increase of police presence on the streets anywhere in the Philippines is not reassuring for me.I can't point to a specific threat, and the general ambience of the city remains unchanged; it's calm, peaceful, and there's been no interruption of most daily routines. I don't know the reason for the increased presence, except that there was a huge donation by a foreign donor several months ago that allowed the police assigned to Davao to purchase scads of additional vehicles, and for all I know other equipment as well. The police don't appear to be hassling anyone, and there's no obvious presence of heavily armed army / police on foot anywhere. So nothing appears obvious or imminent. The visibility of cops in cars however has increased quite a bit.

As to the notion of "promoting Davao," I'm not the Davao Chamber of Commerce, and as I said before, am totally indifferent to whether guys here decide to come or not. My only point was to stress that Davao remains peaceful, safe and pretty much as RK knew it when he lived here, albeit with lots more traffic.

Finally, since the election of Duterte, there's been a huge increase in domestic tourism to Davao. The number of international conferences, that may once have been held by default in Manila, has also increased. This may have something to do with the increases in police capability.

GE.

[Dg8787]

Never have gone wrong with GE's info.

Earlier this month I flew out of Clark. I took a Grab car to the airport, the driver stopped dead at the airport security checkpoint and the security officer flipped thru a binder. In the binder were pages of approved drivers with their photos. The officer found the drivers photo / info and then waved him thru. I had never seen this before. I guess there is enhanced security now.

I was in another small city and noticed a number of new suv police cars. Very nice new vehicles parked in the same spot for the few days while I was there. I was a little puzzled as to where in the budget did they have the money for these cars. Later on I asked my friend how did they get the new police cars? She said people had donated money for the cars. She knew one of the donors who paid for 2 cars and that was why the 2 cars and police officers were always parked in front of his business 24/7!

Funny thing was the police department didn't have any money to put gas in the cars! Part of the reason why the cars never moved anywhere. To this donor's chagrin, they would hit him up weekly for gas money!

I have no idea if this was part of a push for enhanced security or not but there are brand new suv police vehicles.

[Bushes]

I always liked the French motorcycle police running around in a group with machine guns slung over their backs. Have not seen it in a while but it is pretty intimidating. Worse is I saw a cop in the US who was probably ex military. He had armaments strapped to both thighs, boots, and muscles stretching his shirt sleeves.


Never have gone wrong with GE's info..

[Screaming Beaver]

I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.

[Bushes]

Well, FWIW, late Tuesday 2018 Aug 28, according to the news, there was an IS responsible bombing in Isulan. From the map, it looks like it is 3-4 hours from Davao. I assume it was a softer target aimed at a festival.

[GoodEnough]

I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.I'm reasonably sure there are no Jewish organizations here. There's a synagogue with a congregation that's been around since the end of WW II in Manila, but I'm not aware of any ethnic-based groups here. There's probably more I could say but do not wish to do so in a public forum. Feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further.

GE.

[Chocha Monger]

I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.I am afraid that your friend will be like a wildebeest visiting a watering hole in the Serengeti surrounded by a gauntlet of hungry lions and filled with starving Nile crocodiles. LOL! I would only recommend it if he is hell bent on ticking off the last box on his bucket list.

ISIS beheaded every non-Muslim they found in Marawi. Your buddy should take this into consideration before traveling to pop his cherry in Mindanao. However, many claim Davao is safe. If your friend wears his yarmulke around Davao for a week and makes it out unscathed, I will consider that strong evidence that the city is safe.

[Bushes]

Vat, he challenged or something? Try.

YHWH Worshippers, Inc.

Block 8 Lot 7 Farland Extension, Talomo, Davao City, Davao del Sur, Philippines.

Plenty shiksa around but there he will be grade a+++ meat.


I'll be travelling with a cherry boy next month who happens to be Jewish. He was asking me if I knew of any synagogues or Jewish groups either in Angeles City or Davao. I am aware of the Bagelboys organization in Angeles City however I can't find any groups in Davao. I hope somebody knows the answer to this.

[Screaming Beaver]

I am afraid that your friend will be like a wildebeest visiting a watering hole in the Serengeti surrounded by a gauntlet of hungry lions and filled with starving Nile crocodiles. LOL! I would only recommend it if he is hell bent on ticking off the last box on his bucket list.

ISIS beheaded every non-Muslim they found in Marawi. Your buddy should take this into consideration before traveling to pop his cherry in Mindanao. However, many claim Davao is safe. If your friend wears his yarmulke around Davao for a week and makes it out unscathed, I will consider that strong evidence that the city is safe.That is interesting news CM. I know there is a fair amount of anti-Semitism throughout the world today but I had no idea it also existed in Davao. I remember it was touted many times on this board as a mini mongers paradise and nobody likes to monger as much as a member of the tribe. I've told my buddy to cross off Davao from his list and focus on AC. He's already reached out to the Bagleboys in AC and he plans on meeting up with them while he's there.

[GoodEnough]

I am afraid that your friend will be like a wildebeest visiting a watering hole in the Serengeti surrounded by a gauntlet of hungry lions and filled with starving Nile crocodiles. LOL! I would only recommend it if he is hell bent on ticking off the last box on his bucket list.

ISIS beheaded every non-Muslim they found in Marawi. Your buddy should take this into consideration before traveling to pop his cherry in Mindanao. However, many claim Davao is safe. If your friend wears his yarmulke around Davao for a week and makes it out unscathed, I will consider that strong evidence that the city is safe.The usual nonsense from this guy. Your friend would be perfect safe, though no one here would likely know what a yarmulke is. I doubt that CM has ever been to Davao, as his perceptions are so nonsensical they sound like something emanating from the mouth of Donald Trump. The only relevant fact for your buddy is that there's no Jewish identity here; no hostility, no animus at all, just no knowledge.

GE.

[Bushes]

Oh. Second bomb went off in Isulan Sunday 2 September 2018. Also check point on nearby island hit by a truck bomb earlier. But all far from Davao. So Davao is not hit.


Well, FWIW, late Tuesday 2018 Aug 28, according to the news, there was an IS responsible bombing in Isulan. From the map, it looks like it is 3-4 hours from Davao. I assume it was a softer target aimed at a festival.

[PBtoCobra]

I would happily go back to Davao, I did not see any of the scare mongering issues when I was there, and my GF lives in a pretty run down area. We also went out to bars late at night. I know how to assess risk, and avoid places I don't feel comfortable with.

At no point did I feel unsafe.

My GF would prefer to go somewhere new for her birthday celebration. So we will probably select somewhere else, and she can fly solo from Davao.

Thanks to everyone who suggested locations to visit in Davao. , I will be sure to check some out when I return at some point.

[Chocha Monger]

That is interesting news CM. I know there is a fair amount of anti-Semitism throughout the world today but I had no idea it also existed in Davao. I remember it was touted many times on this board as a mini mongers paradise and nobody likes to monger as much as a member of the tribe. I've told my buddy to cross off Davao from his list and focus on AC. He's already reached out to the Bagleboys in AC and he plans on meeting up with them while he's there.Angeles City is a wise choice for your friend. While a handful of mongers claim that they did not "feel unsafe" or that they "felt safe" in Davao City, your friend likely does not wish to risk his neck based solely on the personal feelings of his fellow sex tourism enthusiasts visiting or residing in Davao City.

Regardless of subjective feelings, the fact remains that the consulates and intelligence agencies of all of NATO member countries warn their citizens against traveling to Mindanao, including Davao City. This upsets those with property, business, and familial ties to Davao City. It is human nature for people to look out for their own interests. However, the facts do not lie.

Davao City remains in a state of high alert since it suffered the Roxas Night Market bombing in September 2016, which killed 14 people. Davao City has experienced a total of 8 major bombings with a combined toll of 73 people killed and 551 injured. Many of these bombings were coordinated with bombings in other locations. Therefore, bombings elsewhere may signal increased risk of an impending bomb attack within Davao City itself and one should disregard such bomb attacks simply based on the distance away from Davao.

Some of the major bombings in Davao City:

March 4, 2003, Tuesday.

Unidentified men used an improvised explosive device to bomb the waiting area at the old Davao International Airport terminal, killing 22 people and wounding 155 others.

April 3, 2003, Thursday.

Barely a month after the Davao airport bombing, another powerful bomb exploded, this time at the entrance of Sasa Wharf.

The incident, which the government blamed on the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF), killed 16 people, including 4 policemen and a nun, and injured 46.

February 14,2005, Monday.

At around 6 pm, an improvised explosive device (IED) exploded at the Davao City Overland Transport Terminal (DCOTT). The incident killed a 12-year-old boy and left 5 others wounded.

The DCOTT bombing occurred almost simultaneously with the bombings in the cities of Makati and General Santos.

September 13,2013, Tuesday.

At around 9 pm, two simultaneous explosions rocked movie theaters at SM City in Ecoland and Gaisano Mall of Davao in Bajada.

No fatalities. A handful of moviegoers sustained minor injuries.

This followed explosions in Cagayan de Oro City and Cotabato City in July of the same year.

[Breadman]

I would happily go back to Davao, I did not see any of the scare mongering issues when I was there, and my GF lives in a pretty run down area. We also went out to bars late at night. I know how to assess risk, and avoid places I don't feel comfortable with.

At no point did I feel unsafe.
.If your giving out your opinion on the safety of a city you should also mention your ethnicity and your basic age, height and weight so that others can judge if they match up to your appearance. Someone well over 6 feet tall of any color will easily stand out from the crowd and might have higher risks than someone of shorter stature with the same skin color of the local population.

[GoodEnough]

If your giving out your opinion on the safety of a city you should also mention your ethnicity and your basic age, height and weight so that others can judge if they match up to your appearance. Someone well over 6 feet tall of any color will easily stand out from the crowd and might have higher risks than someone of shorter stature with the same skin color of the local population.Is this a joke?

GE.

[Breadman]

Is this a joke?

GE.Not at all. Some people blend into some places better than others. If you look middle eastern then many middle eastern cities are safe for you. If you stand out in the crowd then the risks go up. That's all I am saying. Guy comes on and says Daveo's is perfectly safe I'd have to ask him if he stands out in a crowd of Daveo'ans. I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out? Now a guy standing 5'6" with similar skin color of the local population might not get a second glance, for all I know he's the one telling me Daveo is a safe place.

[Kabul Guy]

......

March 4, 2003, Tuesday.

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April 3, 2003, Thursday.

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February 14,2005, Monday.

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September 13,2013, Tuesday.

.......Two examples 15 years old.

One 13 years old and the newest will be 5 years old next week.

Ancient history is not a good indicator of conditions today. That is like saying that it will rain in Cebu today because Yolanda went through there a few years ago.

[Wicked Roger]

Not at all. Some people blend into some places better than others. If you look middle eastern then many middle eastern cities are safe for you. If you stand out in the crowd then the risks go up. That's all I am saying. Guy comes on and says Daveo's is perfectly safe I'd have to ask him if he stands out in a crowd of Daveo'ans. I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out? Now a guy standing 5'6" with similar skin color of the local population might not get a second glance, for all I know he's the one telling me Daveo is a safe place.I am big and chunky like you Breadman and I have no issues with Davao. Is safe is clean and a nice place to be. I walk around everywhere and no one bothers me. FYI tall big white guys are everywhere in the Philippines and in much smaller places than Davao.

So if you are worried stick to western destinations, never travel to the Middle East, Asia, Africa or South America. Stay in the panhandles of the USA is my best suggestion. That way you will always blend in with the locals.

I have been all the world and never encountered issues even in riots in Pakistan. So as GE said you must be joking or seriously lacking in self confidence.

[GoodEnough]

Not at all. Some people blend into some places better than others. If you look middle eastern then many middle eastern cities are safe for you. If you stand out in the crowd then the risks go up. That's all I am saying. Guy comes on and says Daveo's is perfectly safe I'd have to ask him if he stands out in a crowd of Daveo'ans. I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out? Now a guy standing 5'6" with similar skin color of the local population might not get a second glance, for all I know he's the one telling me Daveo is a safe place.Fair enough. I'm about the same height as most Filipino men, now in my 7th decade, and white. And, I've lived here quite happily for about 17 years, and feel, among th dozens of countries / cities in which I've lived and worked, this is the safest I've ever felt.

GE.

[Sammon]

Fair enough. I'm about the same height as most Filipino men, now in my 7th decade, and white. And, I've lived here quite happily for about 17 years, and feel, among th dozens of countries / cities in which I've lived and worked, this is the safest I've ever felt.

GE.I will put my 2 cents in.

I have travelled all over the world including some considered dangerous. Rule of thumb is no walking the streets after 10 pm unless you are with a crowd. Definitely not while you are drunk. Take taxi if you have urge to hit the clubs. Once you get a girl she being local will protect you or at least bad guys will think you are married to a local and will not bother you. Standing out in a crowd happens all the time especially these days of intermingling of races and ethnicities.

You are safe in confines of the hotel. If you want to meet a girl ask her to come and meet you at the hotel bar and tell her to wear decent clothes. Philippines girls in spite of being told do not like to dress up. They are happy in their jeans. Many do not have a dress. I make it a point to buy them nice dresses to take them to upscale bars and restaurants.

Generally all the people of the world are nice and not indiscriminate killers, robbers, pickpockets. It is only very very small fraction of the society who for one reason or another want to hurt people. Unfortunately if you happen to be at the wrong place at the wrong time you will be the victim.

[Bushes]

There she blows! There she blows! A hump like a snow-hill! It is Moby Dick!


I'm 6'6" and weigh 270 lbs, do you think I'd be able to walk down the street in Daveo and not stand out?There are several posts on safety in the South / Latin America threads I pretty much have done the same thing over the years. Mostly from just picking it up when in not safe areas. The tribe usually has great safety measures. Hence my suggestions.

[PedroMorales]

I have had many sexual encounters in Davao. I actually got into a mini row on the hooker strip as I thought a kid had picked my pocket. Some loud mouth aggressively told me such things do not happen in Davao. , And nor do they normally because the ex Mayor had death squads that kept down repeat offender numbers. With a minimum of effort and a low profile attitude, Davao is as safe as it gets and much better than Korea town aka Pampanga.

With earlier posts about Jews and 6'6" giants, there are two related issues. If you wish to go and enjoy Davao, you will haven no problems, only kids laughing at your giraffe status, which is fine, more so if you laugh back. Why some Jews or others feel the world and Davao have to salam to them is a different matter. Most of them could not name the current Pope, never mind argue about Judaism. Of course, if you go around attracting needless attention to your religion.

On that matter, last time I flew from Clark to Davao there were ISIS supporters in the seats ahead of me in the waiting room, some Pinoy others ME Arabs, showing each other Allah Akhbar videos. Every time I have gone through Manila airport, I have noted the hordes of Muslim Pinays ME bound. To believe many of them have not been radicalised is silly. Indeed, ISIS are increasingly relocating to SE Asia.

Leaving big mouths to one side, the most dangerous place in Davao is probably the bus station.

Chocha Monger is informed on what he writes. One has to weigh up what he and others say and act accordingly. Low profile is always best.

[PBtoCobra]

If your giving out your opinion on the safety of a city you should also mention your ethnicity and your basic age, height and weight so that others can judge if they match up to your appearance. Someone well over 6 feet tall of any color will easily stand out from the crowd and might have higher risks than someone of shorter stature with the same skin color of the local population.I am 5'8", 80 Kgs and White European. Not tall by any means, and I was accompanied by my GF all the while. I know how to blend in and not stick out, I also tend to dress in accordance to where I am, so in a formal environment or casual, I dress to blend in.

I was there in July 2018, and am only reporting my experience.

I have been to Indonesia and was in the Jakarta Marriott 2 days before it blew up, we were advised when we got there to not go out in the evening due to local activity. We ignored that advice and had a very nice meal without incident. Having lived with terrorism in the country I live in, I don't let it generally stop what I want to do, but if I go to an area I feel uncomfortable I leave immediately.

I've been to places in the US where I felt just like that and left. These un-advisable areas exist in many places in the world.

[Dg8787]

Two examples 15 years old.

One 13 years old and the newest will be 5 years old next week.

Ancient history is not a good indicator of conditions today. That is like saying that it will rain in Cebu today because Yolanda went through there a few years ago.Based on CM research and intelligence we should all avoid, Honolulu, New York, Florida, any and all high schools, Guam, Hiroshima and on and on and on. Also don't ever cross the street! Based on his intelligence we should avoid all of Philippines, never know when we might be caught up in an invasion.

[GoodEnough]

Based on CM research and intelligence we should all avoid, Honolulu, New York, Florida, any and all high schools, Guam, Hiroshima and on and on and on. Also don't ever cross the street! Based on his intelligence we should avoid all of Philippines, never know when we might be caught up in an invasion.Life goes on in Davao as it pretty much always has since I've been there; placidly, peacefully and calmly. No one seems at all bothered by the increased police presence, and no one seems overly concerned about impending disaster. One thing I did forget to point out is that, since the election of Duterte, Davao's access roads are being improved at a fast and furious rate, as are many of the city's bridges.

I doubt my words of reassurance will have any impact. Those who live timorously will continue to do so, and will continue the fruitless search for places where they're always safe all of the time. I'm in Makati for a couple of days, and I find I'm much more presently cautious here than I ever would be in Davao, and again it's a place I know reasonably well.

GE.

[Soapy Smith]

Based on CM research and intelligence we should all avoid, Honolulu, New York, Florida, any and all high schools, Guam, Hiroshima and on and on and on. Also don't ever cross the street! Based on his intelligence we should avoid all of Philippines, never know when we might be caught up in an invasion.Dg, in previous posts you have suggested that CM is actually holed up in his (or her) mother's basement in Newark or Detroit, tapping, drooling and masturbating over a keyboard. I confess to having joined that bandwagon in the recent past. But now I am toying with an alternative explanation: CM, and perhaps PM as well, are actually students or former students working for Russia's Cozy Bear troll factory in St. Petersburg.

It is often suggested that St. Petersburg State University and St. Petersburg's ITMO University, known to be among the world's top IT universities, have provided many of the most proficient trolls for Cozy Bear. A principal Cozy Bear strategy is to spread dissension among competing causes and identity groups, thereby exploiting the freedom of expression that is typical of the U.S. and other Western democracies. Doing so among the rank-and-file of ISG's participants--who originate from various different countries--seems a particularly clever tactic. And imagine the stealthy effectiveness of doing so under usernames that appear to connote African-American or Hispanic identities.

Messages aimed at maligning Filipinas' motives and mongers' gullibility, and attempting to pit the latter against the former, would seem to be obvious and convenient tacks. Similarly, stirring up fear for prospective Western travelers to the Philippines and posting comments that insult both Jews and Muslims would be consistent with Cozy Bear's operations.

Your thoughts?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tracing-the-sources-of-today-rsquo-s-russian-cyberthreat/

https://www.thenation.com/article/will-mueller-indict-russians-over-the-dnc-hacking-next/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-academic-trawling-facebook-had-links-to-russian-university

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

https://gcn.com/Articles/2017/08/17/Russian-hackers.aspx?Page=3

[Dg8787]

Dg, in previous posts you have suggested that CM is actually holed up in his (or her) mother's basement in Newark or Detroit, tapping, drooling and masturbating over a keyboard. I confess to having joined that bandwagon in the recent past. But now I am toying with an alternative explanation: CM, and perhaps PM as well, are actually students or former students working for Russia's Cozy Bear troll factory in St. Petersburg.

It is often suggested that St. Petersburg State University and St. Petersburg's ITMO University, known to be among the world's top IT universities, have provided many of the most proficient trolls for Cozy Bear. A principal Cozy Bear strategy is to spread dissension among competing causes and identity groups, thereby exploiting the freedom of expression that is typical of the U.S. and other Western democracies. Doing so among the rank-and-file of ISG's participants--who originate from various different countries--seems a particularly clever tactic. And imagine the stealthy effectiveness of doing so under usernames that appear to connote African-American or Hispanic identities.

Messages aimed at maligning Filipinas' motives and mongers' gullibility, and attempting to pit the latter against the former, would seem to be obvious and convenient tacks. Similarly, stirring up fear for prospective Western travelers to the Philippines and posting comments that insult both Jews and Muslims would be consistent with Cozy Bear's operations.

Your thoughts?

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/tracing-the-sources-of-today-rsquo-s-russian-cyberthreat/

https://www.thenation.com/article/will-mueller-indict-russians-over-the-dnc-hacking-next/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-academic-trawling-facebook-had-links-to-russian-university

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-internet-trolls-and-donald-trump-2016-7

https://gcn.com/Articles/2017/08/17/Russian-hackers.aspx?Page=3Others have stated that.

I think you may be on to something here.

My other theory is (s) he maybe be a disenchanted LB, loaded up on hormones with a scribbled up little Richard, thusly the anger and hatred for pussy and mongers.

[PedroMorales]

A: I think the mods should get rid of the anti CM trols as they have nothing but bile to contribute as the previous posts show.

B. Into different unknowns. I will soon be visiting red light districts of various European cities where the nature of risk is very different from Mindanao and where my risk avoidance strategies will be different.

C. First of all, we have to see the bandwagon effect. If the USA warns against travel, others follow suit. I have read warnings from satellite countries where they clearly do not know Jack Shtt. Regarding worthwhile warnings, I would look at those of big countries, as well as local big powers like Australia.

Reasons for Warnings.

There were a number of high profile [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) of Americans in Mexico and an umber of Central American countries, which caused hectacres of shtt to hit huge fans. The net result of this was blanket warnings about anywhere with a hint of danger. Although there are obvious specific dangers in the Philippines, the USA etc overplay them and do not and cannot differentiate between the canny traveller and the innocent abroad. Although in Palawan or elsewhere, it is possible to be unlucky and get kidnapped, the chances are low and less so if one keeps checking the local conditions on the ground.

The only risk I can see in places like Davao is getting caught up in a sneak bomb attack in the bus station or some such place but locals are on their guard for that. Ditto long bus journeys. There have been MPA warnings since the 1980's.

[Dg8787]

PM.

No need to cockle CM, I am sure CM has a good grip on himself.

Always better to be safe than sorry.

[Cjetset]

I have been coming to the Philippines for work over the last 7 years but never had been to Davao until last month. While I was a bit nervous going south I have to say it was a pretty good experience. The airport was easy to get in and out of though there is more security than Mactan or Manila. Less traffic for sure than in both Cebu and Manila. I never felt unsafe even though there are far less foreigners than Cebu or Manila. Though everything felt a bit subdued and a bit boring at night. The girls are wonderful and I did spend all my days with one I carefully selected on DIA. Spent the weekend on Samal with her after I made sure I fully enjoyed her company in bed. That all said I do not think I would return. It's a bit boring compared to Cebu or Metro Manila. And it is wise to heed warnings from my country even though they may be overblown. There are plenty of girls throughout the Philippines for this middle aged blond haired blue eyed Foreigner to play with.

[PedroMorales]

Davao is not dangerous, though there is a risk of getting bombed at the bus terminal but this risk is probably lower than equivalent risks in Paris, London etc, all of which have considerably more footfall than Davao. Every place must shoe horn into what media fantasies say: Rome (ice cream), Paris (style), Liverpool (Beatles, football), Mindanao (bombs). Marginal places like Mindanao only make news on if it bleeds, it leads.

Because of the Mexican and Central American cases alluded to below, big companies / governments cover themselves by issuing danger warnings. But that is to protect themselves against lawsuits and is not an accurate reflection of the risks. Although one should not hitch hike around Mindanao, if one has a plan and sticks to it, then much of Mindanao is very safe. I say that as someone who has bonked very many women there.

Mayor, now President Duterte, helped this process greatly by playing Sheriff of Dodge, where many criminals got their own OK Corral, complete with generous servings of lead.

I find San Pedro Cathedra a good hang out spot for picking up J4 Ps (Jolibee for plays). The paid ladies are just up the street.

I am sure Chocha Monger and others who know the Davao scene well know all of this. There is an abundance of P4P there, generally less packaged or touristy than Angeles. I find a cheap hotel, something to do during the day and some local sperm catchers at night does it for me. I find it best to steer clear of the expats as I am there to find sperm spitoons and it works for me.

I have given up taking photos of women as one Jolibee looks much the same as the next. That said, I still take pictures of Jolibees and such like to send to my female admirers who like such stuff. Why they or anyone want to see a picture of someone else's meal is a trivial mystery but there's nothing as odd as people.

There is a reason we were taught the 4 or so FS at school. Find them, feed them, fool them, feel them fuck them, forget them.

[Acejack]

Just back from a one week Davao stay. Did my FC study pre trip and had a 23 year old innocent type ready to go once I was there. We had immediate chemistry and it wasnt long before we were at it. Very innocent girl, not at all worldly which is just how I like them as it makes it so much easier to blow smoke up their ass. Not a super good looker but body was a solid 8/10. I am in my forties so the whole thing was rather nice for me. Took her out to nice places to eat and did buy her some nice clothes and a necklace but nothing extravagant or over the top. We were together under the premise that we would be together for ever and leaving her the last time knowing I was only around for the sex made me feel strangely guilty. We banged in every position and in a lot of places too I could do it all again, impossible to get action that willing, wet and tight from home. Do your pre trip study and its highly likely a good time will be had. Also I would recommend looking for girls from outside of the major centres as they are most likely not to be hard as nails like big city girls can be.

[Goferring]

This is my last morning in Davao and I had a great time.

Pre work on the dating sites was a major PITA but last minute hookups really came through (see my separate post in the Chat Rooms board).

Unlike AceJack below, I'm 100% straight with the girls about my situation and that this is not going to be an ongoing BF / GF relationship. Most have heard all the BS stories in the past so find the truth refreshing and performance goes through the roof.

I used only Tinder, PL and FC. No bars or KTVs. Tinder provided the hard core professionals and FC providing the best of the semi pros. As is my luck, last night I latched onto an absolute doll. 21 yo, 5' 6" of toned heaven and generous handful tits. Add in a fantastic attitude and I regret we didn't meet on the first day rather than the last day. She would have been a keeper for the whole stay.

I'll certainly be back again.

[Griffin4171]

This is my last morning in Davao and I had a great time.

Pre work on the dating sites was a major PITA but last minute hookups really came through (see my separate post in the Chat Rooms board).

Unlike AceJack below, I'm 100% straight with the girls about my situation and that this is not going to be an ongoing BF / GF relationship. Most have heard all the BS stories in the past so find the truth refreshing and performance goes through the roof.

I used only Tinder, PL and FC. No bars or KTVs. Tinder provided the hard core professionals and FC providing the best of the semi pros. As is my luck, last night I latched onto an absolute doll. 21 yo, 5' 6" of toned heaven and generous handful tits. Add in a fantastic attitude and I regret we didn't meet on the first day rather than the last day. She would have been a keeper for the whole stay.

I'll certainly be back again.I couldn't find anyone on Tinder. My local friend took me to KTV bar and I selected a girl and brought her to hotel, but those girls in KTV bar were nothing like you described.

Please PM me her contact details.

Definitely visit Davao again in next 2 months.

[Ibaski]

This is my last morning in Davao and I had a great time.

Pre work on the dating sites was a major PITA but last minute hookups really came through (see my separate post in the Chat Rooms board).

Unlike AceJack below, I'm 100% straight with the girls about my situation and that this is not going to be an ongoing BF / GF relationship. Most have heard all the BS stories in the past so find the truth refreshing and performance goes through the roof.

I used only Tinder, PL and FC. No bars or KTVs. Tinder provided the hard core professionals and FC providing the best of the semi pros. As is my luck, last night I latched onto an absolute doll. 21 yo, 5' 6" of toned heaven and generous handful tits. Add in a fantastic attitude and I regret we didn't meet on the first day rather than the last day. She would have been a keeper for the whole stay.

I'll certainly be back again.Sorry to hear about the pre work on dating sites being a PITA but glad ultimately it worked out.

I felt the same way last month in Cebu but the first one I met online was a girl from Davao on a conference and regretted not going to Davao later. Plan to make amends. But it worked out for me in Cebu later as well.

5' 6" hmmmmmm. Not bad at all. I will take that any day compared to borderline 5' I was getting in Cebu.

Planning to be in Davao in March.

[Goferring]

5' 6" hmmmmmm. Not bad at all. I will take that any day compared to borderline 5' I was getting in Cebu.When we met in the lobby, I thought it was too good to be true and wouldn't take her up to the room but went to a nearby restaurant just to make sure everything was real.

It was indeed: with her in flats we stood eye to eye, a "yeah I go to the gym a bit" body, more than a handful BB cups and everything vacuum wrapped in brown sugar skin. Add to that giggly good fun and I was in heaven.

[Goferring]

I couldn't find anyone on Tinder. My local friend took me to KTV bar and I selected a girl and brought her to hotel, but those girls in KTV bar were nothing like you described.You need better friends. This came from a DVO KTV (view the original post for pic's):


I came across this flat chested lass in Davao.

Swore that she was the smallest of her sisters.


Please PM me her contact.Nope.

[Wicked Roger]

You need better friends. This came from a DVO KTV (view the original post for pic's):.Goffer.

Good reply as he 2 FRs but he has no PM facility so very odd he asked you to PM him when he ant receive. Have fun in Duma!

[Mdemde]

Both with an 18 year old sweetie in Davao City. I obtained her services via a taxi driver. I had told him that I was looking for the services of an 18 year old or 19 year old lady, this method can be a bit hit and miss, but on this occasion it was a definite hit.

My first session with her was on New Years eve, and then again two days later and I gave her PHP2 k for each session, as well as PHP1 k (just once) to the taxi-driver. When the driver first brought her to meet me (at a pre-arranged time outside the condo where I was staying) I asked him to take me to a short-time hotel, to wait and to then take me back when the session was over. The girl rode back with me and I asked the girl and the driver to meet me again in two days outside my condo building at 10 pm.

On the afternoon of the day when I was due to meet them, I texted the driver to remind him, and got a text message back to say that the meeting was cancelled because he had a taxi problem. I texted back to acknowledge and asked if he could arrange it for the following day but he did not reply.

That night, at about 9. 30 pm I left my room to go out, and as I left the building a voice shouted out from the shadows, calling my name. WTF? It was the girl! She said the taxi driver was a neighbour and that his wife had found out what he was doing and was unhappy about it and had told him to stop it. Anyway, we hailed a taxi and went to the same short time hotel for another session which would be our last.

As it happened she shared the same birth date (the day and month, not the year, I was born in the early 1950's) as myself! When I first met her I asked her age and she gave me her birth date and showed me her ID, and when I showed her my ID with my birth date she nearly freaked out!

I was in Davao City for a week (but in the Philippines for a month, I was also in Manila, Cebu City, Bantayan Island and Malapasqua Island, and Angeles) and had arrived on 28 December and it was my first visit there. She was the only girl I went with in Davao. On the same day as my first session with her (New Year's eve) there was a terror attack at a shopping mall in Cotabato (about 130 miles west of Davao City) with 2 dead and dozens injured. I haven't been to Cotabato and it was not on my schedule, apparently it is considered unsafe for Westerners.

And on my first morning in Davao City there was an earthquake! I was staying on the 28th floor of a condo unit (Avida Towers, booked via airbnb) and as I was coming out of the bathroom that first morning the room started to slowly sway and move, sideways and backwards and forwards. I knew straightaway it was a quake and I stood in the doorway of the bathroom whilst it was happening, and it lasted for about a minute then it stopped. I didn't leave the building, but about 20 minutes later security guards came up to the floor and were shouting and pounding on all the doors telling everyone to evacuate in case of aftershocks so I did and went downstairs to the lobby and joined the other residents. The strange thing is that we were not told to wait outside the building on the footpath or in the road but rather near the lobby area. The building is quite new and looked to be of a high standard of construction. After about 5 minutes they told us we could re-enter our rooms. Later I checked online and it was reported as being a magnitude 7.2, there were thankfully no casualties and no buildings were damaged.

That was actually my second earthquake 'experience', my first was also in the Philippines, in Manila on my first ever trip there in either 1988 or 1989. I can not remember the year but sure as hell can remember the earthquake! I was in my hotel room, high up (can't remember the floor) when the room started to sway and move about. It took me about 10/15 seconds to realise what was happening, I thought at first I was hallucinating. When it dawned on me that it was an earthquake I made a decision to get out and headed for the door and then the hallway to the staircase to head down and get out of the building, as did dozens of others. All the while I was going down the stairs the building was swaying and moving and I really thought that it was going to collapse on me and that I was going to die! It was a terrifying experience. Anyway, I got outside onto the road as did the other hotel guests who came down with me, by then it had stopped. I remember looking around and could see no sign of building damage.

During my stay in Davao I visited a bar called Hot Legs, located on San Pedro St near City Hall. It was a dirty decrepit smelly shithole with a small stage and about a dozen small cheap tables and a couple of cheap plastic chairs at each table. On the occasion of my visit there was just one middle-aged rather plump woman shuffling about on the stage and a few other not-very attractive woman lurking around the tables. I ordered a beer and was there for about 20 minutes. One of the women came over and sat down with me and told me she was available for take-out, but to be honest if she had offered me a freebie I would have declined. She was in her late twenties / early thirties and rather plain. The only other customers were locals and did not seem to mind my presence. The area around the bar is where the freelancers hang out, I had a wander around but did not see anyone who I thought was worth a go.

There is also another Hot Legs Bar in Davao near to the condo I was staying in, I went in one night for a look and went straight back out the front door. It was also a shithole.

Anyway, a few photos.

[NorCalKid]

Both with an 18 year old sweetie in Davao City. I obtained her services via a taxi driver. I had told him that I was looking for the services of an 18 year old or 19 year old lady, this method can be a bit hit and miss, but on this occasion it was a definite hit.

My first session with her was on New Years eve, and then again two days later and I gave her PHP2 k for each session, as well as PHP1 k (just once) to the taxi-driver. When the driver first brought her to meet me (at a pre-arranged time outside the condo where I was staying) I asked him to take me to a short-time hotel, to wait and to then take me back when the session was over. The girl rode back with me and I asked the girl and the driver to meet me again in two days outside my condo building at 10 pm.

On the afternoon of the day when I was due to meet them, I texted the driver to remind him, and got a text message back to say that the meeting was cancelled because he had a taxi problem. I texted back to acknowledge and asked if he could arrange it for the following day but he did not reply.Haha, I went to Hot Legs in October and had the same impression. What a shithole. I think there are 3 of them. I went to the one down stairs in a basement.

2 k ST is a shitload to give a FL ST down there IMO.

Nicest people I have met in the PI in Davao. I felt totally safe there.

I really liked Davao but think I would die of boredom there. I'm back in AC now wading through a sea of Koreans to get my turn with the ladies. Kinda missing being the only foreigner in sight.

As much as I liked Davao I wouldn't recommend it to the average monger. If a guy likes the bar scene it's basically nonexistent there. Bar scene in Cebu much better IMO. (though the Cebu BFs were high end Angeles WS prices) but some stunners there!

[Kabul Guy]

.... any and all high schools, ....At 63 years avoiding mongering in high schools just might be a good idea. LOL.

Did you meet my high school sweetheart?

She is a sweetheart and in high school.

Not really in high school.

Yet.

[Kabul Guy]

Not much traffic on Davao. I am thinking about heading down there for a couple of weeks to take a look around. All indications that staying at better hotels, taking the usual precautions it is a pretty safe place, so I have no worries in that regard.

I have some good leads on Tinder and SA. I am not into the street pickups or bar scenes as I look for regular girls not pro's or semi pro's.

Anyone know any really good Airbnb places there? I want some nice amenities (pool and gym), not too worried about the location as it is not that traffic congested as Manila.

[GoodEnough]

Not much traffic on Davao. I am thinking about heading down there for a couple of weeks to take a look around. All indications that staying at better hotels, taking the usual precautions it is a pretty safe place, so I have no worries in that regard.

I have some good leads on Tinder and SA. I am not into the street pickups or bar scenes as I look for regular girls not pro's or semi pro's.

Anyone know any really good Airbnb places there? I want some nice amenities (pool and gym), not too worried about the location as it is not that traffic congested as Manila.I can't help with specific places, but with the proliferation of condos going up in literally every quadrant of the city, I don't think you will have much of a problem. I've had several friends who have rented condos on Magallanes (sp,) St. And have been quite satisfied with them. There's also a condo called Northpoint which has been recommended by some friends, but I've never been into any of those places and can't give a first hand assessment.

It's true that traffic congestion here is nowhere near the density found in Manila, but it is getting worse, and during rush hour is can be frustrating, so I'the recommend timing your car rides to avoid the usual rush hour build-ups if possible.

GE.

[PetitelLove]

What is the current scene in Davao like? I am heading there in Sept.

Wonder where the go to places are for finding girls and what are the rates like.

What are some girl friendly places or best short time hotels if you don't want to bring someone to your main accommodation.

[Goferring]

I can't help with specific places, but with the proliferation of condos going up in literally every quadrant of the city, I don't think you will have much of a problem. I've had several friends who have rented condos on Magallanes (sp,) St. And have been quite satisfied with them. There's also a condo called Northpoint which has been recommended by some friends, but I've never been into any of those places and can't give a first hand assessment.

It's true that traffic congestion here is nowhere near the density found in Manila, but it is getting worse, and during rush hour is can be frustrating, so I'the recommend timing your car rides to avoid the usual rush hour build-ups if possible.

GE.If KG stays near Peoples Park, everything is within walking distance so avoiding traffic won't be a priority. 😁.

It's also an easy to find reference point to tell the girls when they are heading in to meet up.

Enjoy. G.

[GoodEnough]

If KG stays near Peoples Park, everything is within walking distance so avoiding traffic won't be a priority. 😁.

It's also an easy to find reference point to tell the girls when they are heading in to meet up.

Enjoy. G.It's good advice, and it is a central location. I'm not aware of any condos in that area, which is about the oldest part of the city as far as I know. But again, I could be wrong as I do not pay much attention to that when I'm there. There's an older hotel called, I believe, Leticia that a lot of folks seem to like, and it is within walking distance of lots of restaurants and bars.

GE.

[Goferring]

There's an older hotel called, I believe, Leticia that a lot of folks seem to like, and it is within walking distance of lots of restaurants and bars.

GE.There are actually 3 Leticias in Davao. Don't ask me how I know that blindly following Google Maps to all 3 is an all day walk around town. 😁.

It's best to stay at the Leticia Peoples Park. The others are business and conference centers. Yes, it is old but close to everything. If the OP wanted a nicer place there are Condos near the Marco Polo (or the hotel itself) just around the corner.

Enjoy. G.

[JonesLover]

Hi dear friends,

Some years ago I went to Davao and I was there for 20 days. I loved Davao a lot because I fucked so many regular girls even if I'm not young. I don't like pro girls. The next months I'd like to reach Philippine again but I don't know if I will reach Davao again or Cebu. I read about Cebu, it is nice city for mongering because there are many available girls more than in Davao. But I'm afraid there are so many pro. If you know as Davao as Cebu, could you tell me if it is easy to meet and fuck regular girls in short time like in Davao? Certainly there are in Cebu too but I don't think there is a large number of regular and available girls as in Davao ready to be fucked. Maybe I'm wrong?

[Goferring]

Hi dear friends,

Some years ago I went to Davao and I was there for 20 days. I loved Davao a lot because I fucked so many regular girls even if I'm not young. I don't like pro girls. The next months I'd like to reach Philippine again but I don't know if I will reach Davao again or Cebu. I read about Cebu, it is nice city for mongering because there are many available girls more than in Davao. But I'm afraid there are so many pro. If you know as Davao as Cebu, could you tell me if it is easy to meet and fuck regular girls in short time like in Davao? Certainly there are in Cebu too but I don't think there is a large number of regular and available girls as in Davao ready to be fucked. Maybe I'm wrong?Cebu is far more westernised and modern so has more of everything and it's easier to find anything you want from good girls to pros.

Having said that, Davao is a much more relaxed place and has a much greater provincial feel to it despite its size. Western guys are still a bit of a novelty there whereas we are common in Cebu City.

It's certainly still possible to meet up and hook up with regular Davao girls. They will just take a little more time than Cebu.

I enjoy the place and would recommend a revisit.

Enjoy. G.

[JonesLover]

Western guys are still a bit of a novelty there whereas we are common in Cebu City.
It's certainly still possible to meet up and hook up with regular Davao girls. They will just take a little more time than Cebu.
I enjoy the place and would recommend a revisit.Are you telling me you went to both Cebu and Davao? It is difficult really to hear a guy likes more Davao than Cebu. You like Davao more than Cebu, just like me. I never went to Cebu but I'm almost sure about it.

I remember two particular stories that happened to me in Davao and I would like to tell them. I'm an old man but I got some incredible stories there.

1) A 20 years old girl fell in love with me after just a few days of talking online. I did't like her and I didn't like to meet her. But she went into depression for me because she loved me and told me she would do bad things if I didn't meet her for at least 30 minutes. Then I was forced to meet her in a park near my apartment and in that time saw her eyes light up for 30 minutes. I was happy too. It seems incredible, she is still writing to me on the Internet for several years.

2) I was talking with a 18 years old girl on Internet when I was in Davao. She wanted to meet me even if I didn't want. I was so tired. Then I accepted and she came to my apartment. I liked to prepare something to eat for her but she told me was so tired and liked to rest in the bed. She went to bedroom alone and then I went there after some minutes and I began to caress her hair and her face. She approached me and began to kiss me. She instantly took off her shirt (only that one) and I saw her wonderful tits. We started a hard petting for some minutes and after 4-5 minutes she jumped up wildly from the bed, got dressed and left. I was stunned.

They seems incredible stories but they are real.

[Goferring]

Are you telling me you went to both Cebu and Davao?Yes.


It is difficult really to hear a guy likes more Davao than Cebu. You like Davao more than Cebu, just like me.I didn't say I like Davao more than Cebu. I said they are both different with greatly differing attractions. I enjoy and have a great time in both for different reasons.

I can certainly understand why someone who enjoys the regional feel would prefer Davao.


She approached me and began to kiss me. She instantly took off her shirt (only that one) and I saw her wonderful tits. We started a hard petting for some minutes and after 4-5 minutes she jumped up wildly from the bed, got dressed and left. I was stunned.

They seems incredible stories but they are real.I don't doubt your story. The same thing happened to me but mine happened with a girl who had clearly been around the block a few times and was no stranger to foreign dick. She was absolutely stunning and I was left horny as fuck and scratching my head as to what just happened. It's all in one of my earlier Davao posts.




Day 4 started and the call center girlie showed up. Yeah! And she was HOT. A slim little body struggled to support some 34 DDs. A barely there dress failed at conceiling anything. We had a light breakfast before we headed back to the room. The "good girl" sales pitch was replaced with "Before the call center, I worked at KTVs in Manila and Cebu, a foreigner bar in Korea and as a foreigner "tourguide" and "My American fiance is a dick because he won't let me go out and party with my girlfriends" etc, etc, etc. This girl has been AROUND. After the past few days' dramas, this made me horny as fuck. Some small talk about getting hammered in Angeles quickly led to power DFK. Tits were spilled and they were glorious! "Let's get your dress off" led to. . . "I'm not going to fuck you on the first meeting". . . . Aaaaargh! Are you fucking serious? I leave tomorrow! . . . . And she left with, "But I'll be back tonight". Of course, I thought this was total bullshit, I had just had the ultimate prick tease and there was no way in hell that she intended to come back. I was literally pacing the hotel room with frustration.

Enjoy. G.

[Sammon]

She instantly took off her shirt (only that one) and I saw her wonderful tits. We started a hard petting for some minutes and after 4-5 minutes she jumped up wildly from the bed, got dressed and left. I was stunned.

They seems incredible stories but they are real.It happened to me long time ago in Angeles although different way. I was all sexed out and was not looking for barfine. A friendly waitress who I knew long time in Blue Nile who always helped me suggested a real cherry girl. She was real pretty. She wanted to go with me although sex was not on the menu. We had a great time dinner, dancing, bar hopping and everything except real penetration. So we fell asleep. In early morning she starts playing with my dick and makes it hard and gets on top. Had some problem with pussy being tight while I was playing with her big boobs. She got it in half way and grinding for a while. All of a sudden I guess a light flashed in her head about what she was doing and holding out for virgin money or sponsor. She slides off goes to the bathroom, gets dressed and comes back to the bed and goes to sleep without a word. I guess she figured clothes would protect her from temptation. Later we both woke up we were back doing what we were doing with clothes off but not full penetration. In fact I came in her pussy which did not bother her.

I think some girls in your case wants to have sex and suddenly decide not to for whatever reason and run. Only one thing I can think off is she has a BF and felt guilty.

[Engine Driver]

Based on GE's recommendations, I have just booked a trip to his fine city. CRK-DVO-MNL on a cheap Cebu Pacific ticket. If I don't get blown up at the market square / bus station / airport / Jollibee Downtown, I will send in a field report.

If I get kidnapped and held for ransom, I will tell my gracious hosts to PM GE for the money. LOL.

I guess curiosity got the better of me. Who knows, if this visit goes well, I might venture down to Gen San or Zamboanga next time.

I've been chatting away to a couple of MILFs in Davao on PL. Both are spinners. One is 41 with two kids and the other is 30 with one kid. No mention of any husband or boyfriend. I think they did a gonski after giving them a cream pie. I'm sure some Pinays think they got pregnant through immaculate conception LOL. They both act like they are virgins.

41 year old has a part time job assembling shit in a factory. The recent heavy rains meant she had to evacuate from her hut beside the river. She missed work and now has no money. She said she was going to pawn her phone so she could eat. Don't worry, I did not reach for my check book. The other one has a sari sari store, but has gone off the radar since last Wednesday's storm.

GE, are the storms that bad now?

[Goferring]

I've been chatting away to a couple of MILFs in Davao on PL. Both are spinners. One is 41 with two kids and the other is 30 with one kid. No mention of any husband or boyfriend. I think they did a gonski after giving them a cream pie. I'm sure some Pinays think they got pregnant through immaculate conception LOL. They both act like they are virgins.If you survive he MILFs and beheadings be sure to investigate the overtime opportunities available from the girls at numerous call centers in town.

Enjoy. G.

[Roll Aides]

If you survive he MILFs and beheadings be sure to investigate the overtime opportunities available from the girls at numerous call centers in town.

Enjoy. G.Was trying to explain to a little hotbody single mother the other day why Moro Islamic Liberation Front has such a hilarious acronym, unfortunately the humor sort of went over her head. Oh well.

[Engine Driver]

Was trying to explain to a little hotbody single mother the other day why Moro Islamic Liberation Front has such a hilarious acronym, unfortunately the humor sort of went over her head. Oh well.That little hotbody single mother wouldn't know what 1+1 was, let alone acronyms. Those bird brained nincompoops are only good for sucking your bank account dry. Sort of okay if they can also suck your dick dry.

[GoodEnough]

Based on GE's recommendations, I have just booked a trip to his fine city. CRK-DVO-MNL on a cheap Cebu Pacific ticket. If I don't get blown up at the market square / bus station / airport / Jollibee Downtown, I will send in a field report.

If I get kidnapped and held for ransom, I will tell my gracious hosts to PM GE for the money. LOL.

I guess curiosity got the better of me. Who knows, if this visit goes well, I might venture down to Gen San or Zamboanga next time.

I've been chatting away to a couple of MILFs in Davao on PL. Both are spinners. One is 41 with two kids and the other is 30 with one kid. No mention of any husband or boyfriend. I think they did a gonski after giving them a cream pie. I'm sure some Pinays think they got pregnant through immaculate conception LOL. They both act like they are virgins.

41 year old has a part time job assembling shit in a factory. The recent heavy rains meant she had to evacuate from her hut beside the river. She missed work and now has no money. She said she was going to pawn her phone so she could eat. Don't worry, I did not reach for my check book. The other one has a sari sari store, but has gone off the radar since last Wednesday's storm.

GE, are the storms that bad now?There have been a couple of days of heavy rain, and there are some areas of the city that consistently flood. Drainage has been significantly improved throughout most of the city, and for the most part, it's dry with zero flooding. If you want to grab a beer when you're here let me know and we can exchange PMs on how to work that out.

Have a great time here. The scene isn't as overt as Makati, Angeles or Cebu, but it's here and it's fun.

GE.

[Chocha Monger]

That little hotbody single mother wouldn't know what 1+1 was, let alone acronyms. Those bird brained nincompoops are only good for sucking your bank account dry. Sort of okay if they can also suck your dick dry.Well, it seems like they arrived at a compromise. His jokes blow her mind. In return, she will blow his bank account and his prick. This is the golden rule of foreigner-Filipina relationships.