Makati

[MadisonGuy]

First off I will apologize for not reading all post previous to this one, as I was just cruising though the first couple of pages to see what's going on. With that said, I would say that devil gave you some good advise in the PI. ALWAYS make a valiant attempt to give her some money. Mind you not hand it directly, but as the advise was given slip it into her purse or back pocket (my favorite method along with a good buy hug). If she says anything about it, tell her it's just for transportation, or tell her to go buy herself a present, but always give her something. If she will be your future GF, then you can be sure it will come back tenfold. Spend some time getting to know them, and their life and it will all make sense.

As fast as the rest of the advise, its your time, your money, your vacation if you want to drink, be loud and boastful, then too each his own. Respect goes a long way and is almost always rewarded.

Peace.I've got to disagree, even more now that I've took a trip to Philippines. You need to be extremely careful there because with some girls, the girls you really would want to be your girlfriend they will be offended by that. I lost 2 hot models because I gave them 1k to buy drinks when I went to use bathroom, when I got back instead of buzzing around me like flies they were pissed and said we're not that type of girls. It also happened on another occassion too but the girl was already pissed because I told her I wanted to be alone for a couple days and she didn't agree with that. You give working girls money, in a country where working girls are probably in the majority you have to be extremely careful not to treat the best ones like working girls. In the end you pay for them all one way or another but still I can tell you that I will wait for a girl to ask for money when I go back to Philippines because I'd rather her get mad at me for not giving her money, then I just give her some easy fix. You can't undo giving a girl money that isn't like that though, there is no easy fix there.

[Finrod]

I am with Madisonguy here.

I'm not saying always be a cheap charlie, I am saying listen to her carefully for her to drop hints that she might appreciate a little "help". If no such hints are forthcoming, then that's that. If you want to see her again, don't take the risk of insulting her. Remember if you're seeing her again, you'll end up paying for it some other way, take her shopping, take her on trips, take her to nice restaurants, buy her presents, etc. So it doesn't have to be in her face.

I've had a few fuck dates from DIA who came over to my room to do the deed, sometimes more than once and didn't expect anything afterwards. Sometimes you can slip in an innocuous question targeted toward figuring out her financial situation, trying to elicit a hint or two from her. The last girl I had like this totally ignored my hint questions and was happy to have me buy her dinner at some cheap Filipino BBQ restaurant.

[Simian]

Had a great time in Don Pedro yesterday with number 160. She was very sexy and slightly wired, like she was on a lot of caffeine. There was no messing around. Very businesslike and no kissing. But she knew how to use those internal muscles and she gasped and made noises like she was really enjoying herself. And maybe she was hehehe. Had to remind the management that it was 1, 000 and no I did not want the VIP room. The bellhop was helpful and reminded me that it was 1500 for the girl (although I forgot to ask whether that was only one shot or could go for 2 for that price)

I have to use those places where the deed takes place on site or else where there is a reasonably cheap accomodation nearby as I have colleagues with me in the hotel. THis rules out Greenbelt 3 area which is a pity as I would really like to try one of those freelancers for their reputed GFE. Is there any cheap guesthouse or hotel that charges by the hour near Greenbelt where I could get up to no good with one of the freelancers as I cannot take them back to my hotel?

[Globe Spinner]

Had a great time in Don Pedro yesterday with number 160. She was very sexy and slightly wired, like she was on a lot of caffeine. There was no messing around. Very businesslike and no kissing. But she knew how to use those internal muscles and she gasped and made noises like she was really enjoying herself. And maybe she was hehehe. Had to remind the management that it was 1, 000 and no I did not want the VIP room. The bellhop was helpful and reminded me that it was 1500 for the girl (although I forgot to ask whether that was only one shot or could go for 2 for that price)

I have to use those places where the deed takes place on site or else where there is a reasonably cheap accomodation nearby as I have colleagues with me in the hotel. THis rules out Greenbelt 3 area which is a pity as I would really like to try one of those freelancers for their reputed GFE. Is there any cheap guesthouse or hotel that charges by the hour near Greenbelt where I could get up to no good with one of the freelancers as I cannot take them back to my hotel?I had a great experience with 160 and her friend in a 3 some. So far, she is the best I have had there. As far as other places to go in Makati outside the hotel, I think DP is your best bet. If you are just dying for take out from Havana, the girls know where you can get ST accommodations.

[Sugoi]

There is also Phoenix 1 which is in the Roman Suites basically across the street from New World. If you leave GB3 and cross towards the New World hotel and go right, take a left at the first street (1/2 block away) and then cross the next street (Arnaiz) and you will see Roman Suites. Walk up to the 3rd floor and there's the aquarium.

It's a 3 minute walk from the front of GB3.

[MadisonGuy]

Anyone know of any nice high end condos for rent for about a month in makati? Not finding anything I like.

[Cool Traveler]

I just spent a week at New World, it's a great hotel. They are very cool about things, ei brought a friend and 2 girls to pool and my buddy brought a bottle of liquor and beers and they didn't mind that it was from the outsite. Plus one of the girls was wasted off her ass and just an annoying ****. The club below the hotel is called Palladium, I went there a few times. I would not call it a monger friendly club but it is fun if you're still in that party till 9AM ability in your life. The first night I was there I took 2 girls back to my room from there, they were no working girls and they were not thinking 3 some unfortunately I was and I pissed the one I liked off because I slept with her cousin. Havana is right across the street and although it is good, nothing can compete with Manila Bay Cafe, that place should be called the Asian Del Rey. That will be the only place I go if I ever go back there. New World also calls you before they let girls leave the hotel to make sure everything is ok in your room, to some that may be nice to me it was a little annoying.You are right on Madison. New World is about the only place I stay when I get down to Manila / Makati. I've gone there to a point where I have made friends with the GM. They really check the girls before and after their visit. So, you have some modicum of safety.

CT

[SweetGirl]

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[Mongerer69]

On my way back to Makati New World Hotel for about a week. $94 per nite including breakfast for 2. Just so that I can be prepared, what is the going rate LT from the Cafe Havana girls? On my last visit last October they were all trying to hit me for P5, 000 LT and we settled at around P2, 000 to P2, 500. I can't imagine things have changed that much.

[Brown Rail]

On my way back to Makati New World Hotel for about a week. $94 per nite including breakfast for 2. Just so that I can be prepared, what is the going rate LT from the Cafe Havana girls? On my last visit last October they were all trying to hit me for P5, 000 LT and we settled at around P2, 000 to P2, 500. I can't imagine things have changed that much.We are talking freelancers. I rarely pay more than P1, 500, including at Havana. If a girl is asking for big bucks, I would give her a pass. I have never found a correlation between high price and GFE. But I have felt one between price and attitude / experience making me feel like a prostitute's customer.

It seems to me that the higher the price the less likely a GFE / more likely a professional one. Some professionals give you a great experience: bold, great body, no fear. But this is not necessarily so. You can pay a lot and get badly surprised. Some just say fuck me and get it over with; I will do mental math while waiting.

I have had too-many-to-count great experiences for free, for P500, P1, 000, P1, 500; rarely a disappointing one. Often they have been great experiences. Once you get over p2, 500 I have had more disappointments. Maybe because I was paying more my expectations rose. But I think it has more to do with the higher priced girl being more of a pro. They are less interested in me than a sale, and moving on to their next thing.

My humble opinion.

By the way, this does not apply to bar fines, where prices are set by the establishment. And of the few times I paid up with a bar fine, may of the good ones came back as GFEs for free or little money the next few nights (or weeks, months or years).

Also, even if your base is New World, don't limit yourself to Havana. Especially at night it is easy and cheap to move around Makati, Manila (Malate, Ermita), even QC if you are willing.

[Screaming Beaver]

I was hanging out today in front of Matrix on P. Burgos to grab a cold one and pick up some Viagra. The going price now is less than 250 pesos for a 4 pack. So far, I've not fallen ill due to poisoning or bad quality assurance which so many on this board are shit scared of but I digress.

The thing that I was struck by was the fact I saw no less then four white chicks walking down P. Burgos or hanging out having a beer just like one of the guys. Some were with what appeared to be their bf or husband and they looked pretty nice for a white chick. I can only assume they have discovered the joys of lbfm's like the rest of us since I cannot imagine what the fuck they are doing here. I guess they were here to lick puss like so many male senior citizens I saw with their pot bellies leading the way as they limped down the street.

Speaking of aging white kunts, I caught a glimpse this week of Paris Hilton at my hotel. She was staying at the Presidential suite at the Peninsula Hotel. She had with her the usual posse of handlers and fags following her around like a puppy dog. She was in town peddling her line of purse's. We all have to make a living, diba?

[Chocha Monger]

I was hanging out today in front of Matrix on P. Burgos to grab a cold one and pick up some Viagra. The going price now is less than 250 pesos for a 4 pack. So far, I've not fallen ill due to poisoning or bad quality assurance which so many on this board are shit scared of but I digress.

The thing that I was struck by was the fact I saw no less then four white chicks walking down P. Burgos or hanging out having a beer just like one of the guys. Some were with what appeared to be their bf or husband and they looked pretty nice for a white chick. I can only assume they have discovered the joys of lbfm's like the rest of us since I cannot imagine what the fuck they are doing here. I guess they were here to lick puss like so many male senior citizens I saw with their pot bellies leading the way as they limped down the street.Screaming Beaver,

So true! Blue diamonds from the street have been slandered viciously by some codgers refusing to own up to their shortcomings. I guess some old coots need to maintain their machismo even when they can't manage ramming a LBFM once in the ass and twice in the pussy during a night in spite of gobbling down a four pack of Viagra like Skittles. These potbellied punters have no choice but to get down on their knees and drink the slimy waters from Beaver Creek when the old fishing pole is not up to the task of angling. Of course, the girls love this because it means they don't have to do any work and they can lay back and text their pinoy boyfriends about the senile foreigner who just paid crazy pesos to lick curdled native cum from their clappers.

[Jbiz979]

Ummmmmmmm last time I was around about 60 years ago, there was no such thing. Maybe times have changed.You Definitely can get free sex, I just came back August 13 and had sex with 7 non pros. The trick is to find them online, I would say at least a month or more before you trip. 2nd find working girls, not prostitutes young girls that work at malls etc. Their not rich but their not as worst off as the non workers but they are looking to approve their lives and getting a foreigner bf or husband is a great start. Certainly more promising than a local. Now you will have to tell them that your their bf, but that's ok because most of them work 6 days a week and won't have much time for you so you will be able to Bone others. Also single mothers are a great option, you can find plenty attractive single moms that will be very receptive to a good guy that doesn't mind that she has kids. Now, let me explain free. Free means your not paying them for sex, there's no negotiating of prices for anything. That doesn't mean you won't pay for transportation, food or little trinkets here and there like for any gf or wife. And they make ask on occasion for some pesos to buy their kids something. So in hind site its not completely free but you can avoid 2500 to 5000 pesos per session certainly but in general No Woman is free, Wife, Girl Friend or Pinay!

[Jbiz979]

You Definitely can get free sex, I just came back August 13 and had sex with 7 non pros. The trick is to find them online, I would say at least a month or more before you trip. 2nd find working girls, not prostitutes young girls that work at malls etc. Their not rich but their not as worst off as the non workers but they are looking to approve their lives and getting a foreigner bf or husband is a great start. Certainly more promising than a local. Now you will have to tell them that your their bf, but that's ok because most of them work 6 days a week and won't have much time for you so you will be able to Bone others. Also single mothers are a great option, you can find plenty attractive single moms that will be very receptive to a good guy that doesn't mind that she has kids. Now, let me explain free. Free means your not paying them for sex, there's no negotiating of prices for anything. That doesn't mean you won't pay for transportation, food or little trinkets here and there like for any gf or wife. And they make ask on occasion for some pesos to buy their kids something. So in hind site its not completely free but you can avoid 2500 to 5000 pesos per session certainly but in general No Woman is free, Wife, Girl Friend or Pinay!I'm not sure if the young working girls will work for older mongers, I'm 29 years old so its not as unusual as a 60 plus with a 19 year old. But single moms definitely a win for older guys.

[D Cups]

To Jbiz and all the other young studs who read this forum. I'm 55 (look 45 and feel 25) and have no problem dating non-pros in their early 20s, cute ones with nice big boobs. I met a beautiful girl in Makati after she finished her graveyard shift (at the hospital. She's a nurse) and was drinking with her friends at a bar nearby my hotel (not a girly bar). They whistled to me so I came over to join them and the cute one came back to my hotel and we had a great time. I'll see her again in November.

I have a 19 year old sweetie in Cebu, too, and a 25 year old busty cutie in Dumaguete too (non-pros, no kids) so whatever your stereotype of us old guys is think again. Many smart and sexy women around the world go for older men because we have money (of course) and also know how to treat a girl not to mention knowledge and experience that you will only achieve when you get to be this age. It helps that I play guitar and sing, too. Girls are suckers for romance. Of course I also have a bevy of professional beauties that I continue to bang in several countries, too.

I am getting laid more now than when I was 29 and believe me I had quite a few then, too.

Stay thirsty my friends.


I'm not sure if the young working girls will work for older mongers, I'm 29 years old so its not as unusual as a 60 plus with a 19 year old. But single moms definitely a win for older guys.

[Jbiz979]

To Jbiz and all the other young studs who read this forum. I'm 55 (look 45 and feel 25) and have no problem dating non-pros in their early 20s, cute ones with nice big boobs. I met a beautiful girl in Makati after she finished her graveyard shift (at the hospital. She's a nurse) and was drinking with her friends at a bar nearby my hotel (not a girly bar). They whistled to me so I came over to join them and the cute one came back to my hotel and we had a great time. I'll see her again in November.

I have a 19 year old sweetie in Cebu, too, and a 25 year old busty cutie in Dumaguete too (non-pros, no kids) so whatever your stereotype of us old guys is think again. Many smart and sexy women around the world go for older men because we have money (of course) and also know how to treat a girl not to mention knowledge and experience that you will only achieve when you get to be this age. It helps that I play guitar and sing, too. Girls are suckers for romance. Of course I also have a bevy of professional beauties that I continue to bang in several countries, too.

I am getting laid more now than when I was 29 and believe me I had quite a few then, too.

Stay thirsty my friends.LOL! I stand corrected D Cups but I did say that I wasn't sure. Now there are always exceptions to the rules and all the best to you, I can only hope that I am half the Mature Stud you are at your age.

[FreebieFan]

LOL! I stand corrected D Cups but I did say that I wasn't sure. Now there are always exceptions to the rules and all the best to you, I can only hope that I am half the Mature Stud you are at your age.And I would suggest that I am another exception. And I can think of a few more August experienced and highly active an energetic members who also perform well at the 55 years of age level. My recent Manila trip report might indicate the level of energy we still have. Oh mine by the way, during my 3. 5 day stay were 19, 30, 21, 23 and 30 respectively. Theres a lot of us older and very successful guys around. LOL

[FreebieFan]

. Now, let me explain free. Free means your not paying them for sex, there's no negotiating of prices for anything. That doesn't mean you won't pay for transportation, food or little trinkets here and there like for any gf or wife. And they make ask on occasion for some pesos to buy their kids something. So in hind site its not completely free but you can avoid 2500 to 5000 pesos per session certainly but in general No Woman is free, Wife, Girl Friend or Pinay!I tell you what free is. Free is when you find your date stood you up, so you call plan be.

She takes a taxi (which she pays for) you go back to your place and bonk, then she takes a taxi home. Now THAT is free. However from someone who has been playing in the Free World for past 20 plus years the trinkets, shoes, etc are the things that create repeats. That means when you need plan B she's there and ready on tap.

This relates to my recently posted Manila report.

[Mongerer69]

I will be in Makati New World week of Sept 25. If anybody wants to get together, PM me. It will be fun.

[Asianatic]

On my way back to Makati New World Hotel for about a week. $94 per nite including breakfast for 2. Just so that I can be prepared, what is the going rate LT from the Cafe Havana girls? On my last visit last October they were all trying to hit me for P5, 000 LT and we settled at around P2, 000 to P2, 500. I can't imagine things have changed that much.At which site did you paid $94 including breakfast please? I can't find it below 100€ (EURO that is!) for room only.

FYI, I paid P1, 500 to a pretty Havana girl.

[Mongerer69]

At which site did you paid $94 including breakfast please? I can't find it below 100€ (EURO that is!) for room only.

FYI, I paid P1, 500 to a pretty Havana girl.See my post under Manila Hotels

[Sxxxx]

I just spent a week at New World, it's a great hotel.You paid about U$150 per night, $1, 050 for the week, to stay at New World, yet you would not give the 3rd world girls in your room, $25-$40 to help pay their rent or buy some food. Not even taxi money, presumably? From my point of view, arrogance, exploitation at its worst.

[Sky Ryder]

At which site did you paid $94 including breakfast please? I can't find it below 100€ (EURO that is!) for room only.

FYI, I paid P1, 500 to a pretty Havana girl.This makes feel okay about my decision to walk away from the girl that asked me for P5K on Saturday night, and a little sad I didn't chat with someone else. I was tired anyway, but at least now I know for sure I wasn't "crazy".

[Ikarus0815]

i am tooooo long time in asia and would be "ready"for a europeen or russian women.

i have heard the rumor that there are some anywhere in makati?

any help on that? . wil lbethere tomorrow

[Buko Max]

I have a 19 year old sweetie in Cebu, too, and a 25 year old busty cutie in Dumaguete tooHopefully you don't have these girls on the Western Union plan! :o

[Chocha Monger]

Hopefully you don't have these girls on the Western Union plan! :oCourse not, busty young chicks love crusty geezers that play a guitar and sing like Willie Nelson. They keep the poo-say on ice until lolo returns at no extra charge. It's true love you see.

[GoodEnough]

I am stuck for four nights in Makati, and thus have the week-end days free to accomplish some minor errands with which I would have difficulty in Davao, where I live. It turns out that accomplishing them here-in the commercial center of the country- is not only more difficult, but provides somewhat of a metaphor for why there's no hope at all for this place or, alternatively, why some foreigners (such as myself) seriously contemplate turning to violence.

The day began innocently enough with a solid breakfast of eggs benedict (very well prepared) at the Dusit Hotel. I figured I'd wait until 10 o'clock and stroll to Greenbelt where I would be sure to find a watch store that could replace the battery in my aging Cartier watch. I mean Greenbelt is the center of chichi fashion in the country and surely it would be no problem to find a place to replace the batteries, right? Wrong.

First, when I got to the mall, about 10:15, it was dark, aside from the numerous coffee shops. I was told, once I asked, that the stores don't open until 11. How foolish of me to think that the high end stores would want to capture as much business as possible during the weekends which is when most people do their shopping. However, only mildly perturbed at the commercial inanity, I ensconced myself, not unhappily, at Seattle's Best Coffee, with my iPad, and decided to bide my time over a thoroughly mediocre double espresso served in a cardboard cup to make sure that the taste of the lousy espresso carried the faint perfume of melting cardboard.

Sure enough, at 11 o'clock or so the stores were open, and after wandering around Greenbelt 3 for a bit, finding nothing, I was directed to two stores in Greenbelt 5, only a short 200 or 300 meters away. So I went to Greenbelt 5, brimming with optimism that soon I too would be able to tell the correct time merely by glancing at my expensive, but understated wrist jewelry. Wrong again! I found the first shop easily enough, and was told something like: "Oh yes, we could do that, but our technician doesn't work on Saturdays." Again, how silly of me to think that people would be working at the very time that customers are most likely to be available. Undeterred, I proceeded to the second shop, only to receive the same story! It was then I started to reflect on the wisdom of the gun laws of the Philippines that prohibit foreigners from owning firearms, as I would have been sorely tempted to use one at that time.

Since a handgun was unavailable to me, I asked, with mounting frustration, if there was, perhaps a store that actually sold and / or serviced Cartier watches, and was blandly assured that indeed there is such an establishment in Rustans Department store right here in Makati and only a short taxi ride away. I was also assured that "all taxi drivers know Rustans sir." Disappointed but resolute, I flagged down a cab and and self-assuredly told the driver to take me to Rustans, a demand which precipitated a blank "no one's home in here" stare, and then an explanation in broken English, that "I'm from Leyte Sir, and don't know my way around Makati." Okay, but now an hour has passed since I've started my seemingly simple quest, and I'm looking for a baseball bat or another suitable weapon with which to attack the driver. Fortunately, baseball bats are in short supply in the back seats of taxis here, and I suggested that he ask someone which, to his credit, he did, and eventually, we found Rustans,

This was my first time in this thoroughly down market, dingy store, and I'm wondering why an elite brand like Cartier would establish itself in such a dank location which was last upgraded in maybe 1964, that could easily be confused with a cave, but never mind. I'm assured by various guards that the salvation I seek is in fact there, on the 5th floor. Too bad there's only enough money to pay for working escalators to the 4th floor, but I struggle on foot to the 5th floor nonetheless, and finally find the "Cartier" sign for which I've been searching. The elapsed time since the beginning of my quest it now going on two hours.

As I stagger into the store, winded, sweaty, aching from the climb, I rip the watch from my wrist, and with as much of a smile as I can manage, ask the sales girl for a battery installation. This prompts her to screw a jeweler's loupe into her eye, examine the watch likes it's a priceless Fabergé egg, and tell me: "Sorry sir but we have not battery for this model. I suggest you go to the store in Glorietta 5." At this point I'm doubly thankful for the gun laws, since had I a firearm I might have turned it on myself.

I walk to Glorietta 5, a scant half kilometer away, and immediately find the recommended shop, only to hear: "Sorry sir, our technician is not on duty. Maybe he come 3 o'clock, you try other store." By now, my blood pressure seriously close to stroke levels, I go to the other store, just down the hall. Miraculously, the technician is there and he reluctantly agrees to "look" at my watch, only to conclude he doesn't have the tools to open it. Disgusted, I return to the other store, leave the watch, and tell the "girl with broken English" that I'll return this afternoon and to replace the battery in the interim. Of course I'm fully prepared to hear that the technician doesn't have the appropriate tools either.

By now I'm hot, sweaty, dangerously close to self-destruction, and decide only a freezing beer will do. So, despite my advancing years, I stagger to Glorietta 3 and the Hard Rock Café where I know they serve freezing cold Heineken beer in cold mugs. I write this from there, dispirited, unable to tell the time, frustrated, with my strong belief in the utter hopelessness of this country strongly reinforced.

GE

[Member #4152]

I am stuck for four nights in Makati, and thus have the week-end days free to accomplish some minor errands with which I would have difficulty in Davao, where I live. It turns out that accomplishing them here-in the commercial center of the country- is not only more difficult, but provides somewhat of a metaphor for why there's no hope at all for this place or, alternatively, why some foreigners (such as myself) seriously contemplate turning to violence.

The day began innocently enough with a solid breakfast of eggs benedict (very well prepared) at the Dusit Hotel. I figured I'd wait until 10 o'clock and stroll to Greenbelt where I would be sure to find a watch store that could replace the battery in my aging Cartier watch. I mean Greenbelt is the center of chichi fashion in the country and surely it would be no problem to find a place to replace the batteries, right? Wrong.

First, when I got to the mall, about 10:15, it was dark, aside from the numerous coffee shops. I was told, once I asked, that the stores don't open until 11. How foolish of me to think that the high end stores would want to capture as much business as possible during the weekends which is when most people do their shopping. However, only mildly perturbed at the commercial inanity, I ensconced myself, not unhappily, at Seattle's Best Coffee, with my iPad, and decided to bide my time over a thoroughly mediocre double espresso served in a cardboard cup to make sure that the taste of the lousy espresso carried the faint perfume of melting cardboard.

Sure enough, at 11 o'clock or so the stores were open, and after wandering around Greenbelt 3 for a bit, finding nothing, I was directed to two stores in Greenbelt 5, only a short 200 or 300 meters away. So I went to Greenbelt 5, brimming with optimism that soon I too would be able to tell the correct time merely by glancing at my expensive, but understated wrist jewelry. Wrong again! I found the first shop easily enough, and was told something like: "Oh yes, we could do that, but our technician doesn't work on Saturdays." Again, how silly of me to think that people would be working at the very time that customers are most likely to be available. Undeterred, I proceeded to the second shop, only to receive the same story! It was then I started to reflect on the wisdom of the gun laws of the Philippines that prohibit foreigners from owning firearms, as I would have been sorely tempted to use one at that time.

Since a handgun was unavailable to me, I asked, with mounting frustration, if there was, perhaps a store that actually sold and / or serviced Cartier watches, and was blandly assured that indeed there is such an establishment in Rustans Department store right here in Makati and only a short taxi ride away. I was also assured that "all taxi drivers know Rustans sir." Disappointed but resolute, I flagged down a cab and and self-assuredly told the driver to take me to Rustans, a demand which precipitated a blank "no one's home in here" stare, and then an explanation in broken English, that "I'm from Leyte Sir, and don't know my way around Makati." Okay, but now an hour has passed since I've started my seemingly simple quest, and I'm looking for a baseball bat or another suitable weapon with which to attack the driver. Fortunately, baseball bats are in short supply in the back seats of taxis here, and I suggested that he ask someone which, to his credit, he did, and eventually, we found Rustans,

This was my first time in this thoroughly down market, dingy store, and I'm wondering why an elite brand like Cartier would establish itself in such a dank location which was last upgraded in maybe 1964, that could easily be confused with a cave, but never mind. I'm assured by various guards that the salvation I seek is in fact there, on the 5th floor. Too bad there's only enough money to pay for working escalators to the 4th floor, but I struggle on foot to the 5th floor nonetheless, and finally find the "Cartier" sign for which I've been searching. The elapsed time since the beginning of my quest it now going on two hours.

As I stagger into the store, winded, sweaty, aching from the climb, I rip the watch from my wrist, and with as much of a smile as I can manage, ask the sales girl for a battery installation. This prompts her to screw a jeweler's loupe into her eye, examine the watch likes it's a priceless Fabergé egg, and tell me: "Sorry sir but we have not battery for this model. I suggest you go to the store in Glorietta 5." At this point I'm doubly thankful for the gun laws, since had I a firearm I might have turned it on myself.

I walk to Glorietta 5, a scant half kilometer away, and immediately find the recommended shop, only to hear: "Sorry sir, our technician is not on duty. Maybe he come 3 o'clock, you try other store." By now, my blood pressure seriously close to stroke levels, I go to the other store, just down the hall. Miraculously, the technician is there and he reluctantly agrees to "look" at my watch, only to conclude he doesn't have the tools to open it. Disgusted, I return to the other store, leave the watch, and tell the "girl with broken English" that I'll return this afternoon and to replace the battery in the interim. Of course I'm fully prepared to hear that the technician doesn't have the appropriate tools either.

By now I'm hot, sweaty, dangerously close to self-destruction, and decide only a freezing beer will do. So, despite my advancing years, I stagger to Glorietta 3 and the Hard Rock Café where I know they serve freezing cold Heineken beer in cold mugs. I write this from there, dispirited, unable to tell the time, frustrated, with my strong belief in the utter hopelessness of this country strongly reinforced.

GEWhy not just wait till you get to your destination? You could of also contacted Cartier for help on finding a location to replace your battery. I live in the US and the area I live in, the guys that repair watches are not working on the weekend either. It's not really a job in demand that will provide a big income you know.

[Sky Ryder]

I am stuck for four nights in Makati, and thus have the week-end days free to accomplish some minor errands with which I would have difficulty in Davao, where I live. It turns out that accomplishing them here-in the commercial center of the country- is not only more difficult, but provides somewhat of a metaphor for why there's no hope at all for this place or, alternatively, why some foreigners (such as myself) seriously contemplate turning to violence.

GEGE, I hope you know I am not laughing "at" you, but "with" you. I, like a multitude of others have experienced similar obstacles trying to achieve what IMHO, should be an easily obtained outcome. As you have so eloquently laid out, many times this is not to be. There is however, one very good lesson to be gleaned from your experience. There is ALWAYS cold adult beverages to alay those feelings of utter frustration. I will also assume you found something of a feminine nature to take care of the rest of your needs. That is NOT as easily accomplished in other parts of the world.

Thanks,

Sky

[GoodEnough]

GE, I hope you know I am not laughing "at" you, but "with" you. I, like a multitude of others have experienced similar obstacles trying to achieve what IMHO, should be an easily obtained outcome. As you have so eloquently laid out, many times this is not to be. There is however, one very good lesson to be gleaned from your experience. There is ALWAYS cold adult beverages to alay those feelings of utter frustration. I will also assume you found something of a feminine nature to take care of the rest of your needs. That is NOT as easily accomplished in other parts of the world.

Thanks,

SkyThanks for the nice words. I actually pretty much wrote that post to laugh at myself. Apparently Chimmy didn't quite get it. At any rate, all's well that ends well. I finally did get the battery for all of Php120 and it works fine again. As to the female company, I'm already in a great relationship here so have all of the companionship I need. I try not to screw up what it took me so long to find. Cold adult beverages are however, always welcome and I did have a couple. Fortunately, they were ice cold and fortunately, they weren't San Mig, which I don't like. I don't know what it is, but I always expect slightly more professionalism when I'm in Makati, and my expectations are rarely met.

GE

[Nvslim]

Why not just wait till you get to your destination?I appreciated GE's story when I first read it. I did not need for you to quote the whole thing again for me.

Show some consideration and edit your quotes. We will all appreciate it.

Slim

[Member #4698]

I write this from there, dispirited, unable to tell the time, frustrated, with my strong belief in the utter hopelessness of this country strongly reinforced.GEYou should of saved time by flying to Hong Kong to replace the battery to your watch and had a great lunch on top of it. Keep the faith. The only thing I really like about the Philippines are the beautiful beaches. Palawan!

[Jambo]

I write this from there, dispirited, unable to tell the time, frustrated, with my strong belief in the utter hopelessness of this country strongly reinforced.Why would you need to tell the time in the Philippines? Wear the watch anyway

[WestCoast1]

FYI, I paid P1, 500 to a pretty Havana girl.Duck Inn. My second morning there I was having a late breakfast and there was a guy sitting at the bar. I struck up a conversation. Each of us had walked in the evening before with our pinay at the same time. That morning I asked if she was his gf. He said no, she was a Makati HC pickup. In talking, he said he gave her 1500, without discussion of money. I assume she was fine with that. On my previous trip I got a HC girl for 1500 LT, and almost ended up taking her friend there for same price for a 3-some. Sky said HC girls are asking 5000 (glad you walked away from it)? Wow. My only awareness of HC girls wanting more money than MBC girls is from this board. On the other hand, some girls really do get p4-5000, as I've had other gents brag up paying that much: "Felt like I was stealing it!" No sir, she was getting the bargain, not you. In your country, that IS a bargain, I'm sure. But you are not in your country. You are in her country, where that's a ripoff. I just paid 1000 for ST for multiple MBC girls.

Along the same lines, the fact is many girls lie to each other, telling other girls that last night's guy paid them 2500, or 4000, like that, when in fact she either got 1000-2000 (or agreed to it up front) from ST to LT. The other girls then get an inflated sense of what they are worth. In 2009 in LAC, a gal chatting me up near the front door area said 3000 when I ran down my laundry list. I countered with 1500LT. She laughed and held firm at "3000 for a short time." I thanked her for her time and started to walk away. She said,"You not give enough. Girl here not go for that." Ten minutes later a girl from upstairs (pics posted) didn't hesitate when I said 1500 LT, and we were heading outside. As I passed the first gal, I held up 1 finger, then 5 fingers (as the pinay say,"one-five") so she could see it. Have had similar experiences in Jakarta's Top Gun, where a girl said to me that they and other girls would not go ST for less than 800k IDR, only to have me walk out a bit later with a girl for 300k. When one indo girl told me that in My Bar, by sheer luck there was a girl 5 feet away that I took a year prior. I smiled at her and she slid right over and hugged me (in front of the first girl). Because she was previously GFE, I asked her loudly over the booming music so the first girl could hear, if she wanted to go with me for 300 again. She beamed and said,"I get my purse!" Its good for girls to hear the real price their cohorts are going for.

[WestCoast1]

You paid about U$150 per night, $1, 050 for the week, to stay at New World, yet you would not give the 3rd world girls in your room, $25-$40 to help pay their rent or buy some food. Not even taxi money, presumably? From my point of view, arrogance, exploitation at its worst.I'm in the same mold as Madison. I don't let my own income dictate how much I give girls. I let the local going rate and economy dictate that. A college gal needing tuition is not more deserving of my money than a bargirl. If I pay $60 for a room and give a girl p2000 for an evening, should I give the next girl 5000 when I transfer to a $150 / night room? Nah, its 2000 for each girl. Is that arrogance? Exploitation?

[MadisonGuy]

you paid about u$150 per night, $1, 050 for the week, to stay at new world, yet you would not give the 3rd world girls in your room, $25-$40 to help pay their rent or buy some food. not even taxi money, presumably? from my point of view, arrogance, exploitation at its worst.i don't really understand how that's arrogance or exploitation. if it is then every monger is exploiting unless they already live in the philippines. i also never said i wouldn't give girls 25-40, i prefer not to but if they ask for it sure i give it to them. i did turn down a russian girl for 3000php which i regretted when i came back to the states. what i did say though is that if a girl does not ask for money, do not give them money. this slip money into a purse not only ruins the experience but you can risk pissing a girl off and turning a nice girl into a working girl. i wish i had gone with my gut instead of listening to guys on this site because that burned me twice but it won't happen again. i averaged 1-1500php in manila and 3000 in angeles because i couldn't find any girls in the 1500 range i found attractive. i preferred manila a ton better because i never talked price with any of the girls, in the morning a few asked for a tip. also paying more for a hotel room means you have less for girls, that's the way i look it. i prefer to stay at a nice hotel in tijuana for 50 / night and pay 100 for a girl. i find latin women way way more attractive, indian, latin, european / white, asian, african. that would be my order of attraction. i really am trying to move asians to the front, might need to see a hypnotherapist or something because philippines would be a whole lot better if i was attracted to that type. i just love me a nice rack, nice ace, thin waste. which i don't think is possible in phillipines.

[GoodEnough]

Why would you need to tell the time in the Philippines? Wear the watch anywayThat's an excellent point. This is a place where time doesn't matter much, and it's far from my Western obsession with the concept. However, no matter how long I stay here, no matter how attuned I may be (or pretend to be) to the country's rhythms, I remain at heart a Westerner, and I need to know what time it is. Fortunately, my half-day of frustration looking for a battery did ultimately pay off, and the watch is now functional again.

GE

[Member #4698]

Meanwhile has anyone seen any particularly busty beauties in the Burgos bars or MBC lately?A lot of "busty beauties" hang out in Greenbelt 3: Havana Cafe. The well endowed girls are mostly of the bolt-on variety however. Beware of the older 30 to something (?) girls with large breasts. They are very friendly but scare me a little. Last time I was there I saw a very attractive 24 year old "D" cup girl sitting on a bench in front of Havana Cafe by the landscaped inner courtyard. I sat down on the bench next to her. She looked my way and smiled, I smiled back and we started a casual conversation. She had a very beautiful face and a great body except for her bolt-ons. I am not a fan when they don't look natural. We talked a little and then I asked her how much she wanted. She said she wanted 2500p for short time. I laughed; she appeared flustered and started negotiating herself down in price. I stopped her and politely explained I was too tired, but maybe we could get together another night. She accepted this news with grace and I got up and continued my quest eventually picking a demure, pretty. 25 year old girl with natural "B" cups who asked me for 2000p LT. I did not negotiate. She showed me a good time.

Point of the story: there are a lot of big tited girls floating around Havana Cafe. I think 9pm to 11:30 is prime time. The prices vary depending on the girl. Ballpark figure should be from 1500p to 3000p LT. Happy hunting.

[Danibbler]

Ok, I can give a quick run down of Burgos from last week. First off, I think that Monday to Wednesday nights are terrible nights to go from what I can tell.

So, here is my list, I may have missed a few:

Monday night. Rogues, Bottoms. Lots of girls but not that hot and hard to shake any who latch on to you.

Tuesday night. WowWowWow, Jools. The first was dead and the second had interesting shows.

Wednesday night. Dimples, High Heels. The first had quite a few girls and they were very aggressive. I really did not like the mama-san there. I went into High Heels because the guy out in front had a kitty cat on his podium / lectern and I thought that this would be a good sign. Nope, inside it was pretty quiet.

So, frankly, Burgos for me was a bust. The drinks were all Php 390+ and they're very pushy about it (except for Rogues) and the chicks were not that good looking.


Hi WC and other Havana Clubbers,

What is a good time to go there and are some nights better than others?

Meanwhile has anyone seen any particularly busty beauties in the Burgos bars or MBC lately?

I'll be there in November and can hardly contain myself.

[Danibbler]

First off, I would like to thank Gangles for his PM. I don't have PM privileges here or at least I don't think I do. I should check that out.

Ok, I am going to elaborate a bit more on a couple of the bars while deciding what to snack on. .

Bottoms, for those who don't like second hand smoke, AVOID their VIP room. *cough* *cough* Also, watch out for the step when you move out from your table. It's so dark in there that you could easily fall down and hurt yourself. Bottoms' girls are pretty aggressive about both drinks and being taken out.

WowWowWow, very small, intimate, nice. I would have stayed if it was not so dead that night and if the girls were more attractive.

Dimples, I cannot emphasize how much I hated the mama-san there. The only good thing she did was after I took a girl to one of the back booths, she sat there shielding our activities from the rest of the room. Not that much was happening.

[Bob Bowie]

Point of the story: there are a lot of big tited girls floating around Havana Cafe. I think 9pm to 11:30 is prime time. The prices vary depending on the girl. Ballpark figure should be from 1500p to 3000p LT. Happy hunting.I am thinking of going the pro route tonight. I am a big fan of big boobs, but hate the bolt ons. I might his EDSA complex, sounds like everthing is close together so I have plenty of choices, with a set price. Anyone at EDSA or Havana shoot me a PM.

Or some good advise for my first trip inside either place.

[Key Master]

I am thinking of going the pro route tonight. I am a big fan of big boobs, but hate the bolt ons. I might his EDSA complex, sounds like everthing is close together so I have plenty of choices, with a set price. Anyone at EDSA or Havana shoot me a PM.

Or some good advise for my first trip inside either place.I don't think I've ever met a girl in the PI with bolt ons honestly. I am thinking if they look fake in any way and are that big, I'd be avoiding her as she may be a he, especially if they are sitting on the outskirts or constantly doing the walk instead of actually entering the Havana seating or dance area. I have never been to Havana any earlier than 1030 at night. I honestly think it starts late around that time to about 2-3. Then if they don't get picked up some will head over to Icon if it's open that night. Havana, to me is more down than up. You will see some pretty women there on occasion, but not truly dependable on finding someone to my liking every night. That's why you have to be willing to go to the other venues or get lucky with a semi-pro or regular girl.

For EDSA, I think if you get there around 930 or so, most of the women would have shown up to work by then. It doesn't take long to see all the bars and decide if any are really worthy at the time in my opinion.

[Lopkx]

Is there any regular dance clubs you guys would recommend in a safe area. I noticed the Embassy club is now closed for business.

[RasSpewtin]

Is there any regular dance clubs you guys would recommend in a safe area. I noticed the Embassy club is now closed for business.There is a club with good bands called Strums. I believe that it is on Kalayaan Ave just off Makati Ave, very close to Burgos. I have been there twice. If your hotel is in Makati then they will know it. I have been there twice. They have live bands that are varied but generally quite good. The dance stage is small. No freelancers that I have seen, probably because there is a consumable cover charge. The clientele is middle working class to mid-upper class, and if you have some game you could have some luck for sure with the office girls partying there at night.

The Intercontinental Hotel at Glorietta Mall also has an inhouse club that I believe is called the Intercon. I have not been to this one, but if you search the forum you will find that it has freelancers.

Raz

[MadisonGuy]

Is there any regular dance clubs you guys would recommend in a safe area. I noticed the Embassy club is now closed for business.Palladium, it's under New World hotel. Very possible to walk away with a girl there but it is an upper end dance club. First night I was there it was loaded with models from around the world, I was lazy though I grabbed a couple local girls on my way out.

[Sugoi]

There is a club with good bands called Strums. I believe that it is on Kalayaan Ave just off Makati Ave, very close to Burgos. I have been there twice. If your hotel is in Makati then they will know it. I have been there twice. They have live bands that are varied but generally quite good. The dance stage is small. No freelancers that I have seen, probably because there is a consumable cover charge. The clientele is middle working class to mid-upper class, and if you have some game you could have some luck for sure with the office girls partying there at night.

The Intercontinental Hotel at Glorietta Mall also has an inhouse club that I believe is called the Intercon. I have not been to this one, but if you search the forum you will find that it has freelancers.

RazStrums is on Jupiter (the street between the Petron station and the McDonald's) and the club in Intercon is Icon.

Spicy Fingers in Greenbelt 2 also has a live band starting at 10pm and Wednesdays are Ladies night where ladies get free drinks once the band starts playing at about 10:15pm. There may not be many pickups there but there are sometimes a few.

In the fort there is Amber and 7th High also.

[Lopkx]

Thanks guys for the Club info.

[Jbiz979]

I hear that their are college dorms that one can go to monger with college chicks looking for fun and some tuition help. Does any of you fine gentleman no of this and if so what colleges and areas?

[Emale]

I hear that their are college dorms that one can go to monger with college chicks looking for fun and some tuition help. Does any of you fine gentleman no of this and if so what colleges and areas?You might be referring to "Casas". They are not college dorms but more like private bars and the girls are live in's. As for hanging out at colleges to pick up girls, I suppoose it is possible if that is how you want to spend your time. You need to remember that in the Philippines they only have 10 years of primary and secondary education (not 12 like in the US) so they girls are 16 years when they start college and that could spell big trouble.

[Danibbler]

You might be talking about ladies' dormitories. I read a report that these are actually hostels / dorms for OFWs waiting to go overseas on their next contract. They kill the time by going out with mongers. I was actually offered a chance to visit one by a taxi driver.


I hear that their are college dorms that one can go to monger with college chicks looking for fun and some tuition help. Does any of you fine gentleman no of this and if so what colleges and areas?

[Cool Traveler]

My last trip there in July, I asked couple of the girls what the deal was. There were fewer girls. What was there looked like regulars. There were some changes made by Havana. Girls have to buy a drink when they sit. I think they also can't sit there too long unless they order again.

I ended up picking up a girl from the sidelines. And there are plenty, after 10PM.

CT.


I don't think I've ever met a girl in the PI with bolt ons honestly. I am thinking if they look fake in any way and are that big, I'd be avoiding her as she may be a he, especially if they are sitting on the outskirts or constantly doing the walk instead of actually entering the Havana seating or dance area. I have never been to Havana any earlier than 1030 at night. I honestly think it starts late around that time to about 2-3. Then if they don't get picked up some will head over to Icon if it's open that night. Havana, to me is more down than up. You will see some pretty women there on occasion, but not truly dependable on finding someone to my liking every night. That's why you have to be willing to go to the other venues or get lucky with a semi-pro or regular girl.

For EDSA, I think if you get there around 930 or so, most of the women would have shown up to work by then. It doesn't take long to see all the bars and decide if any are really worthy at the time in my opinion.

[RasSpewtin]

I am flying out to Manila tomorrow and staying in the Burgos district. Is there anyone on the ground over there who can tell me if there is any flooding in the area surrounding Burgos. Would be good to know because if so, then I can be forearmed and grab one of those SUV-style taxis with the higher wheelbase at the airport.

Cheers;

Raz

[Danibbler]

I believe that the Burgos area is on a bit of a hill but everything down by the bay would be flooded.


I am flying out to Manila tomorrow and staying in the Burgos district. Is there anyone on the ground over there who can tell me if there is any flooding in the area surrounding Burgos. Would be good to know because if so, then I can be forearmed and grab one of those SUV-style taxis with the higher wheelbase at the airport.

Cheers;

Raz

[Danibbler]

No, I did not take the guy up on his offer as I was on my way to another engagement and I doubt that all of these workers would be willing to go out with someone. The guy was a bit of a sleazeball but I think he was on the up and up. No other taxi driver broached such a topic.


Did you go, Dan? Do you know where they are located? This sounds too good to be true: an entire dormitory of Pinays waiting to get laid!

[Bundanko]

I believe that the Burgos area is on a bit of a hill but everything down by the bay would be flooded.Do not worry, it is only flash flood after heavy rain and will go in a while. Metropolitan Manila is near the sea thus will not flood but may get strong wind.

[Bundanko]

Did you go, Dan? Do you know where they are located? This sounds too good to be true: an entire dormitory of Pinays waiting to get laid!A taxi driver brought me to an area around Makati he called the apartments. This may also be the dorms. The girls are not professional in look and ways and look like just coming from province. The owners always tell us the girls are all new and from village. Each place has about 10 to 20 girls for ST or LT. Try to use the taxi drivers at the hotels.

[Peet Man]

A taxi driver brought me to an area around Makati he called the apartments. This may also be the dorms. The girls are not professional in look and ways and look like just coming from province. The owners always tell us the girls are all new and from village. Each place has about 10 to 20 girls for ST or LT. Try to use the taxi drivers at the hotels.[/QUOTE]

[WestCoast1]

*how far is the oxford suites? what do i tell my taxi driver?

*how far is the oxford suites? what do i tell my taxi driver?

*can you please send me an email or pm me? thanks.

*edsa shangri-la anybody have any good reports from this hotel? how is the bar action?

*anybody have any experience with the oxford suites in makati? is it monger friendly? anything close by?

*hi coming to hyderabad in june. just wondering if the novotel is girl friendly? any reccomendations?

*red, thanks agin, that was excatly what i was trying to find out. i am bummed that i am not at the makati shangri-la but this business trip edsa where they want me.

*how close is the edsa complex to the edsa shangri-la? what city forum would have this info?

*i am at the same hotel, keep me posted to what you find out!

*thanks so much for the great feedback. is there any action at all inside the shangri-la? would you recommend anything close? i wish i was staying back at the makiti shangri-la, but no luck due to.

*i am staying at the edsa shangri-la later this month. i stayed at the shangri-la makiati before and had good luck in the bar, does the edsa offer the same? anything close you recommend?

*thanks for all the mall feedback. am i close to the robinson mall? you recommend the 2nd floor? also how far is the shangri-la edsa from the go go bars?

*shangri la anybody else have any ideas that are close? any luck with the bar?

*thanks for the help. no bar inside? also have you stayed at the makiti shangri-la? i had good luck with the bar there. thought maybe the edsa location was the same.

*is there a bar with any action?

*is there a bar inside? have you been to the other shangri la makitai? i always had goood luck with the bar. where in the mall is good? how much should i expect to pay?

*i am staying at the edsa shangri-la at the end of the month, anyone offer advice for the girls in that area? has anybody had luck with the hotel bar?

*conrad hong kong anyone stay at the concard and recommend a place within walking distance? any bras or spas close by?peet, every single one of your posts are questions for experienced gents here. asking a few questions is fine, but you need to start posting field reports. tell us about your experience with particular girls, or hotels, or bars, or restaurants.

[Quid1234]

Does anyone know if the Ascott Makati is girl friendly, or if you can get any extras in the spa / massage in the hotel? I will be staying there shortly and will only have two evenings free so I want to have some fun.

[FreebieFan]

Does anyone know if the Ascott Makati is girl friendly, or if you can get any extras in the spa / massage in the hotel? I will be staying there shortly and will only have two evenings free so I want to have some fun.ALL hotels in Philippines are girl friendly. Its a country where a 75 year old is Brad Pitt. Anyone at Front Desk looks at you you stare them down. You tell them to stop staring as its extremely rude and is upsetting your fiancee.

Only one way to find out if they offer extra. Go try. One man might get, another might not. Usually depends on the need for income. I love it when a massage girl says " Sir I don't usually do this, and please don't tell the management ". Then you know she's said / done it 1,000 times before.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Had a totally awesome lay tonight at the Montana club on Burgos.

5'7, part spanish part filipina waitress was very much ready to roll within 5 minutes of chat. Skilled, shameless and very eager to please, so rare to find a hooker who enjoys her job!

Totally drained me and put a big smile on my face. Well worth the 2500 paid.

It was only 2 days ago that I had a bad experience at MBC with one of the worst hookers I ever met, and just 2 days later I meet one of the best! Karma has a funny way to even things out.

If you want to sample the goods, she's the tallest girl in the club, easy to spot.

[Jambo]

Does anyone know if the Ascott Makati is girl friendly.And just be honest about it and if there is an extra fee for 2, pay it ahead of time. Two people = more towels.

[WhatsUrName]

Hi,

First, my full username is "What's your Name? Where you From?" as a tribute to the standard greeting while in the Manila Bay Cafe.

I am going to post this question on two threads: Manila Hotels and Makati.

Is there a short time hotel in or around P. Burgos? I know there is a Sogo where EDSA crosses the Pasig River, but I need something much closer. If you have a list, that would kick ass.

Any help?

Thanks.

What's your Name? Where you From?

[Mc Don]

There is few. Ask the girls they will take you there. Last time (a year ago) I paid 700p for 3 hrs the one on the corner on burgos st near the bars (don't know the name sorry) but if you are prepared to walk 3-4 min past the bars there is another place that you can pay only 200 or so.


Hi,

First, my full username is "What's your Name? Where you From?" as a tribute to the standard greeting while in the Manila Bay Cafe.

I am going to post this question on two threads: Manila Hotels and Makati.

Is there a short time hotel in or around P. Burgos? I know there is a Sogo where EDSA crosses the Pasig River, but I need something much closer. If you have a list, that would kick ass.

Any help?

Thanks.

What's your Name? Where you From?

[Mc Don]

Just finished up a sesion with a dancer from pussycats. Awesome lay, managed to get 4 shots before she could not take anymore, she was bleeding. First white guy to barfine her. 2 weeks into her job. 2 boyfriends she said although in the room she told me boyfriend number 2 was a tomboy roommate of hers that fingerfucked her few times. Funny how they count that as a boyfriend here.

Anyway few things worth reporting. Jools WAS CLOSED today. I have no idea why. Rogues was full as always, lots of new faces from last time I was there (early August). Burbon Street had few girls with large clevage the other night tonight I did not see the same quality. Either they barfined early or it seems Sunday is a day off for all the hotties there. Bottoms was good, as always.

I saw lot less street walkers then last time, so it seems they have cleaned it up or the rain is preventing all the hookers from Cavite, QC and Antipolo to come down.

[Simian]

Was looking forward yesterday early evening to an enjoyable massage with FS at one of the fishbowl places in Makati. But Don Pedro was locked up and dark as was Roman Suites. The other one down the street from Roman Suites was open but there were several local guys across the street hanging around and could have been watching the place. They could have been drivers waiting for their Hi-so bosses or whatever but I began to think that if the other places were closed by the cops this scenario could also have been a lead-up to a police raid of some sort and the guys I saw were undercover. Better safe than sorry and so I bailed and settled for a handjob in a regular massage place I know.

Has anyone any intel on this shutdown? It would be an awful pity if they were closed for good!

[Tallish]

"she was bleeding"

What you mean, Virgin / Period

[Key Master]

Hi,

First, my full username is "What's your Name? Where you From?" as a tribute to the standard greeting while in the Manila Bay Cafe.

I am going to post this question on two threads: Manila Hotels and Makati.

Is there a short time hotel in or around P. Burgos? I know there is a Sogo where EDSA crosses the Pasig River, but I need something much closer. If you have a list, that would kick ass.

Any help?

Thanks.

What's your Name? Where you From?There is one that is above a couple of the bars, I believe called Moonlight? It is on the right side of the street on Burgos going the direction of traffic just before you hit Kalaayan.

[Mc Don]

LOL, there was one night I in Burgos that I actually thought of you while bar hopping. Weird but reading the forum I sort of get your tits fettish, so bars for you to check out. Rum Jungle or something like that, right next to the Ivory. Check Ivory as well. Both bars had some ladies that I think you will enjoy putting your hands on to. Check out Burbon St as well. My first visit there on the last trip I sware I saw maybe 3-4 laddies that had fine speciments of boobs but on my other two consecative visits I saw none.

MBC during the day. Nothing worth checking out.


Hi FBA, did you happen to see any big boobs in your sexcapades at MBC or Burgos? I will be going there soon. Thanks for any intel!

[Mc Don]

My guess either first day of period or she has never been fucked this way. I should have taken easy on her being first foreigner and the largest cock she has seen but I didn't. My mistake as I really really wanted to repeat that. I will post her details in seperate tread along with few other recomendations in the next few days.


"she was bleeding"

What you mean, Virgin / Period

[FreebieFan]

Anyway few things worth reporting. Jools WAS CLOSED today. I have no idea why. Rogues was full as always, lots of new faces from last time I was there (early August). Burbon Street had few girls with large clevage the other night tonight I did not see the same quality. Either they barfined early or it seems Sunday is a day off for all the hotties there. Bottoms was good, as always.

I saw lot less street walkers then last time, so it seems they have cleaned it up or the rain is preventing all the hookers from Cavite, QC and Antipolo to come down.Maskara (formerly Kasy bar) now closed with a for rent sign on door.

Flamingos gone and nwo a hole in the ground.

I hear wow3 about to close soon.

And lots more Koreans now walking up and down P Burgos. Towns changing guys. Get in quick before its Kimchiland.

[Finrod]

Maskara (formerly Kasy bar) now closed with a for rent sign on door.

Flamingos gone and nwo a hole in the ground.

I hear wow3 about to close soon.

And lots more Koreans now walking up and down P Burgos. Towns changing guys. Get in quick before its Kimchiland.I remember a few years back walking up Makati Ave past Kalayaan. A few blocks past the Millenium and Best Western hotels, there were a couple of side streets to the right with lots of Korean shops and restaurants. Seems they're expanding.

[Mc Don]

I noticed the koreans too. Flamengo and Banditos (I think that was the name) have been gone for a while. Jools was working on Monday so Sunday might be night off or they were closed for whatever reason. I heard that we may get an ABC hotel in makati very soon.


Maskara (formerly Kasy bar) now closed with a for rent sign on door.

Flamingos gone and nwo a hole in the ground.

I hear wow3 about to close soon.

And lots more Koreans now walking up and down P Burgos. Towns changing guys. Get in quick before its Kimchiland.

[Imagemakers]

Maskara (formerly Kasy bar) now closed with a for rent sign on door.

Flamingos gone and nwo a hole in the ground.

I hear wow3 about to close soon.

And lots more Koreans now walking up and down P Burgos. Towns changing guys. Get in quick before its Kimchiland.Mascara didn't close, it relocated a couple doors down the road, upstairs. Next to Ivory.

Flamingos, or rather it's replacement, is going to open as soon as December, according to an ex-dancer there, but not exactly sure what's going to be in there.

Mirrors is supposedly closing end of this month to make way for a restaurant. Lots of the girls are moving over to Bourbon Street.

And yes, ALOT fewer streetwalkers this past year. The baranggay police and now even tourist police are effectively keeping them away. I've been told that the bars are contributing to the baranggay police to keep the girls away because they were taking away business from inside. I feel it is the work of a new elected official though. Even the vendors and streetkids were mostly pushed out, although there are occasional nights when a blind eye is turned and things revert back to the old ways.

[Simian]

Mascara didn't close, it relocated a couple doors down the road, upstairs. Next to Ivory.

Flamingos, or rather it's replacement, is going to open as soon as December, according to an ex-dancer there, but not exactly sure what's going to be in there.

Mirrors is supposedly closing end of this month to make way for a restaurant. Lots of the girls are moving over to Bourbon Street.

And yes, ALOT fewer streetwalkers this past year. The baranggay police and now even tourist police are effectively keeping them away. I've been told that the bars are contributing to the baranggay police to keep the girls away because they were taking away business from inside. I feel it is the work of a new elected official though. Even the vendors and streetkids were mostly pushed out, although there are occasional nights when a blind eye is turned and things revert back to the old ways.Speaking to places closing, it looks like the Don Pedro and Roman Suites are closed for good. They have been closed for weeks.

If anyone has some intel on other similar places in Makati, please let me know. Both were great locations, far enough away from where I live with the family but close enough so I did not have to spend half the day getting there and back. Safe, generally clean with nice girls. The trouble with AF1 is that it is too far and I could get stuck in traffic jams. Also the last time I visited AF1 there was an issue with the taxi. Wanted to charge me 200Pesos for a very short trip and no other taxis were available.

[Simian]

Speaking to places closing, it looks like the Don Pedro and Roman Suites are closed for good. They have been closed for weeks.

If anyone has some intel on other similar places in Makati, please let me know. Both were great locations, far enough away from where I live with the family but close enough so I did not have to spend half the day getting there and back. Safe, generally clean with nice girls. The trouble with AF1 is that it is too far and I could get stuck in traffic jams. Also the last time I visited AF1 there was an issue with the taxi. Wanted to charge me 200Pesos for a very short trip and no other taxis were available.Its not often that I get to answer my own question. The place near where Roman Suites was (before it closed) is open for business. They have what they call a line-up which means you get the next girl in line! There is no fishbowl and you do not get to pick, unless you know the name of the girl and she is available. Then you can book her.

Charged me 1, 500p in advance for the room for an hour. The room was clean and OK. The girl had a perfect figure if you like perfect small tits and beautiful ass, completely shaved. Very white skin. A very good in bed. Claimed to be 19 but from what she told me I would say she was actually more like 23 and very experienced. She did all the standard stuff but once the action was all over she only stayed for another 10 minutes, not exactly giving me the hour but that is often the way. I pretended to have known the place for years and to be living in Manila for a long time and that is probably why she did not try to bargain more when I handed her 1, 500p. We had not bargained beforehand which probably helps as she will think that you know the score.

The directions are simple. If you start from Roman Suites with Roman Suites on your left (walk on the opposite side of the street as there is no pavement on the other side). You look for Eustasia Inn about 100 meters later on the left side. Walk up the couple of steps to eustasia go into the left corner where there is a stairs. The guard will show you if you say "massage." There is no sign for massage or anything else. You walk up one floor. Go through the door where there is a reception area. You pay the receptionist 1, 500 pesos and a guy brings you to the room. Then the girl appears a few minutes later.

I did not bother but I guess you could ask to see your provider before you paid up for the room. I hope the autorities keep their hands off this place. Perhaps this is why they do not have the fishbowl and so can claim to be legit. They are also maintaining a very low profile.

[Firebird]

To the Makati "experts", in the past I have staid in the Dusit Thani. Good hotel. Near action such as Havana Cafe and just short taxi ride to Burgos St. I would like to change and am contemplating either the Shangri-La or the New World Hotel. How would you rank these two. Shangri-La is better then the other two? Decisions decisions. Since all these hotels are girlfriendly I am lookiing for the accomodations and definitely service.

I read somewhere in the forum that the New World is starting to show its age. Room run down. I have upcoming trip for a week and the company is footing the bill, so expenses are not an issue.

Thanks for your input.

[Bule2004]

To the Makati "experts", in the past I have staid in the Dusit Thani. Good hotel. Near action such as Havana Cafe and just short taxi ride to Burgos St. I would like to change and am contemplating either the Shangri-La or the New World Hotel. How would you rank these two. Shangri-La is better then the other two? Decisions decisions. *snip* I read somewhere in the forum that the New World is starting to show its age. Room run down.I am staying at the New World Hotel and it is definitely not starting to show its age! It is a wonderful hotel, superior IMHO to Dusit Thani and Shangri-La, but I am not an expert.

Bule2004

[DriveAllNight]

To the Makati "experts", in the past I have staid in the Dusit Thani. Good hotel. Near action such as Havana Cafe and just short taxi ride to Burgos St. I would like to change and am contemplating either the Shangri-La or the New World Hotel. How would you rank these two. Shangri-La is better then the other two? Decisions decisions. Since all these hotels are girlfriendly I am lookiing for the accomodations and definitely service.

I read somewhere in the forum that the New World is starting to show its age. Room run down. I have upcoming trip for a week and the company is footing the bill, so expenses are not an issue.

Thanks for your input.Shang (Makati) is the finest hotel in Philippines. Expensive, but without equal IMHO. I would rank Peninsula as #2.

[GoodEnough]

Shang (Makati) is the finest hotel in Philippines. Expensive, but without equal IMHO. I would rank Peninsula as #2.Different strokes for different folks I guess. I wasn't at all impressed with the Peninsula. You might want to think aboutu the Mandarin. The Shang is lovely but I find it a bit stuffy.

GE

[DriveAllNight]

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I wasn't at all impressed with the Peninsula. You might want to think aboutu the Mandarin. The Shang is lovely but I find it a bit stuffy.

GEHeh, fair enough criticism of the Shang. But that stuffiness is a great punch line when you blow through their lobby with a 20-year-old on each arm, both in dresses no bigger than a Band-Aid.

[Firebird]

Thank you to all for their input

[Simian]

Different strokes for different folks I guess. I wasn't at all impressed with the Peninsula. You might want to think aboutu the Mandarin. The Shang is lovely but I find it a bit stuffy.

GEBut don't you love the cute little bell-hop in the white uniform at the Penninsula?

[Surferr3]

Hey Guys,

Have RTFT and done some recon. I have been out of commission for the past 3 years and am looking forward to a return to Manila in the next month. I've surprised to see that my two favorite bars (hands down) , Flamingo's and Bandito's are closed and demolished.

Does anyone have an opinion on what would be a good replacement? I don't have much to compare it to as every time I've been to Burgos I've always started and ended my night at these two bars. That being said, obviously. You can't go WRONG on Burgos as it is awesome but curious what others think are the best bars in terms if looks. Prices aren't a big concern (and no, I won't overpay.

[Red Kilt]

Hey Guys,

Have RTFT and done some recon. I have been out of commission for the past 3 years and am looking forward to a return to Manila in the next month. I've surprised to see that my two favorite bars (hands down) , Flamingo's and Bandito's are closed and demolished.

Does anyone have an opinion on what would be a good replacement? I don't have much to compare it to as every time I've been to Burgos I've always started and ended my night at these two bars. That being said, obviously. You can't go WRONG on Burgos as it is awesome but curious what others think are the best bars in terms if looks. Prices aren't a big concern (and no, I won't overpay.If you HAD read the forum and taken note of the names of bars mentioned there, you would have seen Rogues mentioned most frequently, followed by Bottoms.

Rogues is, IMHO, the closest to Flamingos that you will get, but as far as prices and vibe goes, Rogues beats the former Flamingos hands down.

[Yuri]

If you HAD read the forum and taken note of the names of bars mentioned there, you would have seen Rogues mentioned most frequently, followed by Bottoms.

Rogues is, IMHO, the closest to Flamingos that you will get, but as far as prices and vibe goes, Rogues beats the former Flamingos hands down.For a Flamingo / Bandito replacement the Bronx Basement Disco Bar at the Royal Belagio Hotel is decent. It is run by the former manager of Bandito mama Angie, and a lot of the girls who worked at Bandito & Flamingo are working there. The Bar's Happy Hour until 2 AM and thus the bar fine is 2100 Peso and with no drinks. AFTER 2 AM the Bar Fine goes up. This is as good as it gets on P Burgos compare to the bars.

Still, if you have the time, I would give Angeles and field avenue bars a serious look. The That place is wild and it is as close it gets to Pattaya & Soi Cowboy as the Philippines gets. Bar fines there are 1800 peso.

[Yuri]

For a Flamingo / Bandito replacement the Bronx Basement Disco Bar at the Royal Belagio Hotel is decent. It is run by the former manager of Bandito mama Angie, and a lot of the girls who worked at Bandito & Flamingo are working there. The Bar's Happy Hour until 2 AM and thus the bar fine is 2100 Peso and with no drinks. AFTER 2 AM the Bar Fine goes up. This is as good as it gets on P Burgos compare to the bars.

Still, if you have the time, I would give Angeles and field avenue bars a serious look. The That place is wild and it is as close it gets to Pattaya & Soi Cowboy as the Philippines gets. Bar fines there are 1800 peso.Hi, clarification. Bar Fine may be 2100 peso but you will need to pay the girl extra, and that could range 1500-2500 peso. For the Bars in Angeles City and Fields avenue, you could get away with the 1800 Peso for everything where the girl gets part of the bar fine, but it would be nice to slip in 1000 peso tip.

[Double Shooter]

the shooter has just returned from 3 days in manila. incredibly he remained celibate during that period, as he was accompanied by his "boss from hell". bossfromhell has an infinite capacity for work and alcohol; he is exhausting to be around. and he is a total prude. there was no question of any shenanigans while he was around. after a long working day and a barrel-full of drinks, there was no energy either.

at least the greenbelt provides some nice eye candy and spectator sport. dining at the havana cafe, one is at the center of the action. there are available girls everywhere: in havana cafe, in starbucks to the right, in seattle coffee to the left, and just sitting around the open area. havana cafe is one place where you don't mind queuing for the c. r, because all the cuties are lining up too.

warning to inexperienced mongers! several lady boys frequent the greenbelt. the shooter's ladyboy "gaydar" pinged them straight away but bossfromhell was completely fooled. annoyingly his moral reserve stopped him from making a highly entertaining mistake.

bossfromhell likes the heckle and jeckle bar near burgos. service is prompt and speedy, which is important with his rapid consumption rate. the shooter noticed that the waitresses had changed from last year and were mostly attractive. they also seemed "available", although the shooter's antennae may have been affected by a surfeit of alcohol.

h&j is all about casual drinking and playing pool but it does have the odd working girl. not great quality but ok if you like milf's with decent jugs. the shooter was game for a trial run but sadly had to restrain himself. next time it will be different.

[D Cups]

They're all good to a greater or lesser extent. Depends on the night, the time, the mood of the girl, their pocketbook, what your wearing and how you smell, your attitude, so many factors. I have been to all of them and there is no consistency except if you need an early morning (7am) rendezvous, Bronx is the only one that is open and some of the girls are ending their shift then so you can get away with no barfine if you are discrete. Mamasan Monica there also has huge tits and let me felt her up for a drink. Fun place but most all of them are fun if you hit it right.


Hey Guys,

Have RTFT and done some recon. I have been out of commission for the past 3 years and am looking forward to a return to Manila in the next month. I've surprised to see that my two favorite bars (hands down) , Flamingo's and Bandito's are closed and demolished.

Does anyone have an opinion on what would be a good replacement? I don't have much to compare it to as every time I've been to Burgos I've always started and ended my night at these two bars. That being said, obviously. You can't go WRONG on Burgos as it is awesome but curious what others think are the best bars in terms if looks. Prices aren't a big concern (and no, I won't overpay.

[Cool Traveler]

have you ever thought your "bossfromhell" was torturing you! he knows you like.


the shooter has just returned from 3 days in manila. incredibly he remained celibate during that period, as he was accompanied by his "boss from hell". bossfromhell has an infinite capacity for work and alcohol; he is exhausting to be around. and he is a total prude. there was no question of any shenanigans while he was around. after a long working day and a barrel-full of drinks, there was no energy either.

at least the greenbelt provides some nice eye candy and spectator sport. dining at the havana cafe, one is at the center of the action. there are available girls everywhere: in havana cafe, in starbucks to the right, in seattle coffee to the left, and just sitting around the open area. havana cafe is one place where you don't mind queuing for the c. r, because all the cuties are lining up too.

warning to inexperienced mongers! several lady boys frequent the greenbelt. the shooter's ladyboy "gaydar" pinged them straight away but bossfromhell was completely fooled. annoyingly his moral reserve stopped him from making a highly entertaining mistake.

bossfromhell likes the heckle and jeckle bar near burgos. service is prompt and speedy, which is important with his rapid consumption rate. the shooter noticed that the waitresses had changed from last year and were mostly attractive. they also seemed "available", although the shooter's antennae may have been affected by a surfeit of alcohol.

h&j is all about casual drinking and playing pool but it does have the odd working girl. not great quality but ok if you like milf's with decent jugs. the shooter was game for a trial run but sadly had to restrain himself. next time it will be different.

[Asianatic]

At least the Greenbelt provides some nice eye candy and spectator sport. Dining at the Havana cafe, one is at the center of the action. There are available girls everywhere: in Havana cafe, in Starbucks to the right, in Seattle Coffee to the left, and just sitting around the open area. Havana Cafe is one place where you don't mind queuing for the C. R, because all the cuties are lining up too.I second that. Nothing like it then sipping on a drink watching the world goes by at this spot. Havana Cafe has been my favourite hang-out since I first put foot on Manila grounds. No wonder I stay at the New World allways. Heaven will be open its doors again next week when I finally arrive again with a mobile full of DIA contacts. 3 of them, long time chat investments. One of them being a married women in her early 40s with an absolute stunning figure and of a higher standard. Very exciting.

[Cool Traveler]

Absolutely agree. I stay at the New World Hotel too. Made friends with the manager. Lucky you. I will be there on the 28th. Have fun.


I second that. Nothing like it then sipping on a drink watching the world goes by at this spot. Havana Cafe has been my favourite hang-out since I first put foot on Manila grounds. No wonder I stay at the New World allways. Heaven will be open its doors again next week when I finally arrive again with a mobile full of DIA contacts. 3 of them, long time chat investments. One of them being a married women in her early 40s with an absolute stunning figure and of a higher standard. Very exciting.

[Nomis]

Hey Guys,

Have RTFT and done some recon. I have been out of commission for the past 3 years and am looking forward to a return to Manila in the next month. I've surprised to see that my two favorite bars (hands down) , Flamingo's and Bandito's are closed and demolished.

Does anyone have an opinion on what would be a good replacement? I don't have much to compare it to as every time I've been to Burgos I've always started and ended my night at these two bars. That being said, obviously. You can't go WRONG on Burgos as it is awesome but curious what others think are the best bars in terms if looks. Prices aren't a big concern (and no, I won't overpay.Pussycats and Rouge are good. So is mascara but burgos st has changed and not as fun. Many ugly girls and prices are high. Most bars don't even offer bf anymore. Better bet is to go to a casa (Casino or Edison) or EDSA complex across the street from the Heritage hotel. 7 bars inside with tons of hot girls. Bf I think is 1600 but you have to negotiate with the girl or mama about the ST or LT price.

[FreebieFan]

Pussycats and Rouge are good. So is mascara but burgos st has changed and not as fun. Many ugly girls and prices are high. Most bars don't even offer bf anymore. Better bet is to go to a casa (Casino or Edison) or EDSA complex across the street from the Heritage hotel. 7 bars inside with tons of hot girls. Bf I think is 1600 but you have to negotiate with the girl or mama about the ST or LT price.Was in there on Sunday night (see Manila trip report). In firehouse I saw one girl who was ok, and basivcally not much else. Two of bars only have the girls with the Chinese / Japenese look that appeals to the East Asians. But I found the talent to be seriously lacking there. Used to be a regular there a few years back so I'm quite familiar with the place. Maybe a rainy Sunday night was representative but there was nothing there for me.

[Nomis]

Was in there on Sunday night (see Manila trip report). In firehouse I saw one girl who was ok, and basivcally not much else. Two of bars only have the girls with the Chinese / Japenese look that appeals to the East Asians. But I found the talent to be seriously lacking there. Used to be a regular there a few years back so I'm quite familiar with the place. Maybe a rainy Sunday night was representative but there was nothing there for me.Too bad you had a bad experience. I always have a great time there but depends on what time you go. You have to be there early before the hot ones are gone but then again, depends on your type and what you like in a girl (hot for me maybe ugly to you and vice versa). Also not sure how long you were there but make sure you see all shifts in order to make a good judgement.

I know the mamasans in most of the bars in the Complex so they always hook me up. They all know the type of girl that I am looking for and have never disappointed me. The girls in the complex in general I consider much better looking than the girls in MBC or the other bars in that area (P4P). Also, keep in mind that girls that lose their license or can't work in the KTV or dance bars will go to these bars to make money so be careful.

I guess the best looking girls work at the KTV's but too expensive for me. The casa houses are also not bad and you can usually find a few diamonds there.

I haven't been to MBC for a few years due to the low level of talent but I may give it another try when I am there during the holidays.

Anyway, happy hunting.

[Prestigejy]

Was in Makati few days ago. This my first trip to Manila.

The traffic in Makati is horrible because Christmas is near. I stayed at Makati Palace at Burgos street which cost about 3200 peso per night. This street was busy as usual and considered as a red light area with high end price. As I walked down the street, I was greeted by all sort of girls offering their services including short tine, long time, Massage. On and off I was offered service by ladyboys. I did not take the service they provide. Rather I head to Rogue for a beer. Well Pussy cat was just next door. I had a look inside pussycat, it was rather empty at 930pm local time, so I decided to buy my drink at Rogue. Well, its rather packed with visitors and girls. Some offered me LT for 3500 peso which not include barfine. I kindly reject. Didn't see any girls that I like, I moved on to near by strip club called Montena. Well here there were 3 type of service girls. The dancers, the GROs, and The Waitress. I took the waitress to upstair for a ST which cost me 2000. The service was average.

[Finder99]

Will be visiting shortly Manila, and will be staying at the Alabang area. Any one can offer any information on Massage parlours with extras or any other placces nearby to monger.

[Red Kilt]

Will be visiting shortly Manila, and will be staying at the Alabang area. Any one can offer any information on Massage parlours with extras or any other placces nearby to monger.Use the Search facility and do a search for what you want.

There has been plenty of discussion on Alabang on here in the past few months

[Bonkers1]

Was in Makati few days ago. This my first trip to Manila.

The traffic in Makati is horrible because Christmas is near. I stayed at Makati Palace at Burgos street which cost about 3200 peso per night. This street was busy as usual and considered as a red light area with high end price. As I walked down the street, I was greeted by all sort of girls offering their services including short tine, long time, Massage. On and off I was offered service by ladyboys. I did not take the service they provide. Rather I head to Rogue for a beer. Well Pussy cat was just next door. I had a look inside pussycat, it was rather empty at 930pm local time, so I decided to buy my drink at Rogue. Well, its rather packed with visitors and girls. Some offered me LT for 3500 peso which not include barfine. I kindly reject. Didn't see any girls that I like, I moved on to near by strip club called Montena. Well here there were 3 type of service girls. The dancers, the GROs, and The Waitress. I took the waitress to upstair for a ST which cost me 2000. The service was average.Was the 2000 the tip or the barfine or is there rooms upstairs so you do not have to barfine?

[Amjeck]

The casa houses are also not bad and you can usually find a few diamonds there.Where are the casas? What are the prices?

[Red Kilt]

Where are the casas? What are the prices?This has been discussed before Amjeck.

You must use a taxi driver.

The casas are almost impossible to find alone. They are unmarked and usually in residential areas. I have been to one deep in Pasay 2 years ago (with 2 wing men as back-ups) , and I have no idea where it was or how to get back to it.

Prices are higher than the cheapest bars because the driver has to get a cut. They are all different.

You just have to ask a taxi driver to take you to one. If he doesn't know or won't, just get out and ask the next driver.

[Snow Koala]

D Cups gave me the idea that there are many different types of wingmen, so I thought I would list a few that I have experienced. Please go ahead and add to the list below and any funny stories you have had about Wingmen you have had.

Deer in Headlights: These guys have never been to a girlie bar and are totally shocked by what is going on. I just enjoying watching their eyes pop out of their head like kids in a candy store. I have an friend who I took to a bar and 4 girls pounced on us. 2 on him and 2 on me. One on me had nice tits so asked her, can I see them and she promptly popped them out, I had a feel and she put them away. I turned to my friend and he was not looking so I said to him, have a look at this. I asked to her show them again and she did. His eyes nearly popped out of his head and I nearly fell off my stool laughing.

Devoted: Loves his wife and family and would not think of taking a girl. He is ok to go to a bar or 2, have a few drinks and maybe talk to girls but nothing more. I have a few colleagues who come to the Phil of business once or twice a year and are these devoted guys. Incidentally all the guys I have encountered like this are from UK.

Tempted: Loves his wife and family and is aware of what goes on but is not sure if he can do it. They often find a bargirl they really like and enjoy the bar because she is there. They may even barfine the girl, tell you they just went bar hopping, eating, etc, nothing more. Best to let these guys do it in the own time.

Dabbler: These guys are not regulars or monger planners. More often than not they enjoy the bars and attention of the girls, but rarely barfine them. I took a friend for last drinks at a freelancer bar one night but he did not know it was a freelancer bar. We were both pretty wasted and within minutes we were talking to 3 girls. 1 for me and 2 for him. A few minutes later, he turned to me with a huge grin on his face saying that both girls want to have sex with him. I kept a straight face and said, so what are you going to do? He was surprised by my response and looked at me hard and then it dawned on him that they were prostitutes. He loved the trick I played on him but did not take either of the girls.

Foreign Monger: The highest proportion of mongers who live away from a monger zones and travel regularly to monger zones.

Local Monger: Those who live in monger zones and have regular mongering.

Hard Core Mongers: These are those mongers that have lived in a monger zone for a long time or have travelled for mongering trips for many years. I met a guy in Thailand who was in his 60's and had owned a bar in Thailand for more than 20 years. He admitted to having over 2000 girls.

[Snow Koala]

I forgot my personal favourite:

Bi-Fem: This wingman is actually a bi-sexual woman. She likes girls and guys and helps you hunt for girls that like 3somes. I have a female friend who loves to lick girls. One night we went out together and I told her to look for a girl she liked. We went to a bar and she wandered around looking and talking to girls. She comes back and said she likes 3 girls. So I said invite them over. One was boring but the other 2 were cute. We then chatted to both of them and it was clear within a few minutes which was the best for us so off we went.

Snow.


Hi Snow, I guess I'm a FM, foreign monger although I have lived in PI and Korea many years ago, ex-military. Anyway, I'm up for a tag-team with anyone with more or less experience than me. I plan my trips extensively and work in Vietnam 2X a year. Also attending a conference in BKK in March.

[Blunau]

Will be visiting shortly Manila, and will be staying at the Alabang area. Any one can offer any information on Massage parlours with extras or any other placces nearby to monger.Not a lot of obvious action in Alabang. Even civilians are a little harder to pick up than elsewhere in Phil. If you have the courage, there's a local, low-end shopping area in Alabang where the civilians were more friendly than at the Festival Mall.

I resorted to Black Velvet massage and had a good experience, albeit slightly higher than average Phil.

The good news is that Alabang isn't especially far from Makati.

[Red Kilt]

If you are looking for an excellent restaurant that is both an elegant, fine dining establishment but also has a casual feel to it then try Zuni Restaurant in Greenbelt 5 (ground floor).

Apparently Myron's, Felix and Zuni are very competitive towards one another being in the same strip. For me, Zuni wins hands down because of the excellent well-trained servers, the quality of food and the ambiance of the place.

It's not a "cheap eatery" but it is always consistently good.

[Yella Man]

I forgot my personal favourite:

Bi-Fem: This wingman is actually a bi-sexual woman.

Snow.I've done this many times during my trips to the Phils. It even works with girls who have never licked pussy before. Simply tell them the girl that you like her, but in order for her to hang-out with you she needs to pick another girl and invite her back to the room to eat her pussy. Works 85% of the time.

YM

[Yella Man]

The best wingman I've had was in Pattya, a fellow American and ISGer. He liked the spinners and I liked the big boobs (of course) so we were always helping each other out with sightings.D Cups,

I like them 80lbs soaking wet, so you and I can hang any time! . I'll miss you by a month though because I'll be there through the month of February.

YM

[DavidCanada1979]

Not a lot of obvious action in Alabang. Even civilians are a little harder to pick up than elsewhere in Phil. If you have the courage, there's a local, low-end shopping area in Alabang where the civilians were more friendly than at the Festival Mall.

I resorted to Black Velvet massage and had a good experience, albeit slightly higher than average Phil.

The good news is that Alabang isn't especially far from Makati.My understanding is that Alabang is a pretty upscale area (residential) , so of course, they are probably less impressed with foreigners, wealth etc.

[DavidCanada1979]

Heh, fair enough criticism of the Shang. But that stuffiness is a great punch line when you blow through their lobby with a 20-year-old on each arm, both in dresses no bigger than a Band-Aid.Depends on how open you are. There are actually ways to get into hotel without having to do the walk of shame in front of the big check in counter.

[DavidCanada1979]

To the Makati "experts", in the past I have staid in the Dusit Thani. Good hotel. Near action such as Havana Cafe and just short taxi ride to Burgos St. I would like to change and am contemplating either the Shangri-La or the New World Hotel. How would you rank these two. Shangri-La is better then the other two? Decisions decisions. Since all these hotels are girlfriendly I am lookiing for the accomodations and definitely service.

I read somewhere in the forum that the New World is starting to show its age. Room run down. I have upcoming trip for a week and the company is footing the bill, so expenses are not an issue.

Thanks for your input.Shangri-La is by far the best hotel. I know alot of foreign officers, people in the army, and even professional sports teams (example, there was some friendly match here last year, must have been some MLS or Series A team). It is also expensive, but if it is on company dime, then why not.

[Stroker Ace88]

Depends on how open you are. There are actually ways to get into hotel without having to do the walk of shame in front of the big check in counter.
Shangri-La is by far the best hotel. I know alot of foreign officers, people in the army, and even professional sports teams (example, there was some friendly match here last year, must have been some MLS or Series A team). It is also expensive, but if it is on company dime, then why not.Have you stayed at Shangri-La personally or just hearsay from what you have read? You posted you know how to gain access to the hotel without going through security and by-passing the hotel lobby main desk thus avoiding the walk of shame, how?

There was a match in early December 2011 between the David Beckham led L. A. Galaxy of the MLS league and the Philippine National squad called the Azkals. The Galaxy team stayed at Shangri-La.

Also it's a bit of a no-no for regular members to post many consectutive posts in a row without providing any real info just to boost the post count. You could of posted all your comments together since they only contain a few lines each.

[DavidCanada1979]

Have you stayed at Shangri-La personally or just hearsay from what you have read? You posted you know how to gain access to the hotel without going through security and by-passing the hotel lobby main desk thus avoiding the walk of shame, how?

There was a match in early December 2011 between the David Beckham led L. A. Galaxy of the MLS league and the Philippine National squad called the Azkals. The Galaxy team stayed at Shangri-La.

Also it's a bit of a no-no for regular members to post many consectutive posts in a row without providing any real info just to boost the post count. You could of posted all your comments together since they only contain a few lines each.You can do any of the following (assuming you had a girl pick from outside. Burgos etc.)

1) Walk in yourself and head towards elevator. Tell the girl to walk up to the 2nd floor (giant stair case right in front). You take elevator to 2nd floor to pick her up in the bar, outside the bar etc.

2) You and the girl can walk in through the side entrance (not for the main hotel) , but rather where the banquet hall side is (get taxi driver to drop you off at the Starbucks). There will be security there (but minimal). Come in, and then take escalator to 2nd floor (instead of keep walking straight to main lobby). Once you are on the 2nd floor, take elevator to your room.

Enjoy.

[W20415]

I am getting ready to take my third trip to Phils. Will do 4 nights in Makati / Manila and 3 in Cebu. I am looking for fresh info on the SW scene on Burgos and also recent info on EDSA scene.

[IM Punter]

I arrived in Manila last weekend intent on losing my virginity, my phil mongering virginity that is. Needless to say, I was somewhat overwhelmed by the traffic, the heat and the polution, but thats another set of topics whatsoever. Had no issues with immigration or customs at MIAA. I am currently in Baguio having decided to spend longer in the phils. I will be returning to Manila to venture some more.

Excuse my verbosity, but perhaps this report will set the oldtimers here at ease that I am not just a consumer of questions, but am serious about giving back.

I had booked City Garden via Agoda for about $80 a night (thanks to suggestions on this board). I found it to be clean, reasonable priced and the free wifi a bonus.

My first night, although somewhat tired from my New York / Hong Kong / Manila trip I ventured out about 8pm. First, took a little walk down Makati ave, down to the MacDonalds and back. Was propositioned a few times, mainly by girls offering massage with extras. One girl, seemed pretty young and very persistent following me until I ducked into a 7-11. I noticed a lot of massage girls had some sort of I'd and grey uniform. Whats up with them?

Anyway, I overrulled my little brain and decided to head out to Havana. The taxi driver didn't know where Havana was but I said it was near a Starbucks. He dropped me off in greenbelt 1 and it took me a while to find greenbelt3. The fare on the meter was about 70p so I gave him 80 (not sure about the tipping here).

It was about 9pm, and quite busy at the Starbucks, Havana and the surrounding restaurants lasty. Right away, I noticed the ladyboys and they noticed me and I received several propositions. Some I weren't sure if they were LB's but when in doubt. Get out. Anyway, I hung around the palm trees sipping my iced mochachino for a while. I noticed that a couple of girls (real ones) would hold my stare for a bit. I'd smile at them but that was it. Eventually there was one cute girl with nice long black hair, smartly dressed about early 20s, over by the pond who kept looking at me and I ambled over and made a joke about not seeing any tilapia in the pond. She laughed and asked where I was from and what I was doing. I said I was looking to meet a nice girl and maybe go back to my hotel room. I emphasized I was looking for a girl and not a LB. I was so paranoid that even though she didn't look like a LB, I wanted to make sure she knew my stand on this. We chatted for a bit and I learned she worked in a shop and her name was Jenalyn.

She hadn't really made any comment about my statement of looking for a girl to take back to my hotel so eventually I ambled away. I noticed a girl friend of hers had shown up with some bags from shopping so I assumed she was just a shopper and not a F / L.

I was beginning to get a bit discouraged, thinking there was only LBs around there although interestingly I noticed a couple of 'canos my age with young filipinas, one even had two (and I was thinking sharing with fellow countryman was good practice).

As I was prepared to give up and taxi back to the hotel, the cutie walked by and said Hi as she went by. She slowed down a bit, so I started to walk with her. She seemed a bit hesitant but we talked as we walked past the restaurants on the court, finally she grabbed my hand. I took that for a sign she was interested in being my phil number one. I asked her age. 26 yo. I would have said 22 or so, but I'm a bad judge of ages anyway. I didn't ask for I'd. I repeated I was looking for a nice girl to come back to my room and she said "for massage maybe". I said "and sex maybe". She laughed and said she was shy. All this time she is starting to rub my arm as we walk. WARNING! WARNING! Little brain starting to take control.

We walked out past some sort of main ring road and she started to flag down a taxi. Being cautious and having read the suggestions on this board, I said lets walk a little more. Finally I chose a taxi. Got in and told the drive City Garden. As we were getting out of the greenbelt, she phoned a friend and although I didn't hear her mention the hotel name, I was a bit paranoid that she was telling an accomplish to meet us at the hotel. My paranoia increased because at that time, the driver clicked the door locks. I then said my hotel really was the Oxford suites, and told the driver thats were we were going. The girl didn't call her friend back so I took that as a good sign. As we drove down Makati Ave the traffic was really slow, so as we got close to P. Burgos I said lets walk. She held my hand as we walked up to the City Garden. She didn't say anything about my misdirection to the Oxford. As we walked up, I was pretty worried about the "Walk of shame" and what I would tell the doormen. I was thinking the "she's my niece" wouldn't work. Anyway, we walked into the lobby with my head held high and ignoring the stares from the other guests in the waiting area. No questions asked by the doormen.

We got to the room and I offered her a coke or something. I thought if she was really out to take advantage she would ask for something expensive from the mini bar, but she didn't want anything. She sat down on the bed and told me to take my shirt off and she would give me a massage. I said I would if she took hers off. Fast Forward to having all our clothes off and cuddling. No kissing though (a bit dissapointing). Not long before she jumped on top and not long before we were done. She did do a fairly good imitation of a girl having an orgasm, but I know that was pretty unlikely. To my shame, it was abit of a "Wham bam thankyou mam" kind of experience. I hadn't thought to take Cialis before (I guess I wasn't sure I would get lucky and didn't want the three day congestion and headache that comes with Cialis for no reason).

After a clean up I offered her the shower which she "availed" (thats a word I see a lot here). As she was in the shower, I wondered what next. You have to realize, we hadn't talked about LT or ST or even about money. I realized though, that once the little brain went back to sleep, that I didn't want the effort of trying for conversation all night and wasn't sure I would even be up to a repeat in the morning (I was pretty exhausted). Anyway after the shower we talked for a little bit, and she gave me a massage. Wasn't great but it was a nice gesture. I then realized I should have got the phone camera out before, but I asked her if I could take a picture. She was in bra and panties by this time. She said no,"I'm shy" but she brushed her hair and through a couple of nice poses. Anyway, I think she realized I didn't want her to spend the night (not sure if she would have anyway) but she got dressed and we chatted (or tried to) a bit more. I asked her if she minded if I gave her a present and she just laughed. I gave her 2000p and said I wanted to give her this present because she was so nice and cute (she said I should say magunda. She said I was guapo. Ya right). I know I'll get some comments about giving her 2000p but thats what I thought was fair. She asked what I was doing the next day after I got off work (funny I never said I was working in RP). I said I don't know, but asked for her phone number and I would text her. Anyway, I walked to down stairs and gave her money (unasked) for a taxi. We kissed cheeks and my first phil girl walked into the night. After she had gone, I asked of the door men where I could get some medicine (I wanted some antacid) and I though he was bit less friendly than before.

Later, trying to digest the experience, I came to the realization that she probably wasn't a pro at this either, but she had fl'd before. It struck me that no question of money ever came up, nor did she want anything (no supper, mini bar etc). I also realized that she didn't come with me for my good looks or my youthful age (both of which have since departed). I also remembered that she did have a ring on her finger, and also that she had left her purse wide open on the bed while she was in the shower, not the actions of a professional. I was left wondering if I should text her the next day for a repeat or not. Certainly she was attractive and not overtly money grabbing. But should I or shouldn't I?

Anyway, thats a long winded first report. I realize all ended extremely well, but that a few things I would do differently next time. One, is that I wouldn't give my real hotel out in the taxi. Two that I would take Cialis before I went out.

I do have a photo but I am not sure on the ethics of posting it without her permission. Should I disguise it first.

[IM Punter]

I noticed a few girls grouped together on Makati Ave. Close to P. Burgos offering massage. They appear to have I'd's and wear some kind of grey uniforms. Whats up with them? Do they offer extra? Some seem quite cute.

[Snow Koala]

Plan B bar is now open for about a week in Burgos. It is in the location of the old Banditos which has been closed for about 6 months. Its owned by the same people who owned Flamingos which closed at the same time. Plan B is completely refurbished and really nice inside. There were about 20 girls when I was in there on Wednesday night at 9-10pm, half came from Flamingoes and half are new. None were pushy. By 10pm the bar was full of foreigners, the music was good, not too loud and a good experience. The toilets are refurbished as well. I think the bar fine is still 3900 peso. They only take cash at the moment, not cards.

Plan B is opposite Bottoms.

Snow

[Snow Koala]

Punter,

The girls wear different coloured uniforms depending on the company they work for. They will give you a business card so you can call them later, you can take them to your room right away or you can go to their massage parlour which is usually a short walk away.

The girls are not supposed to give extra services but some do. Its completely up to the girl if she wants to do that.

There is seniority in the massage girls so they will select the girl for you based on seniority, unless you make it clear that you want a specific girl. Massage is usually 400-500 peso for an hour.

For your first time, I suggest to pick a nice girl and go to their company massage parlour for an hour massage with oil and chat to her about how it works.

Snow.


I noticed a few girls grouped together on Makati Ave. Close to P. Burgos offering massage. They appear to have I'd's and wear some kind of grey uniforms. Whats up with them? Do they offer extra? Some seem quite cute.

[WestCoast1]

It was about 9pm, and quite busy at the Starbucks, Havana and the surrounding restaurants lasty. Right away, I noticed the ladyboys and they noticed me and I received several propositions. Some I weren't sure if they were LB's but when in doubt. Get out.

She laughed and asked where I was from and what I was doing. I said I was looking to meet a nice girl and maybe go back to my hotel room. I emphasized I was looking for a girl and not a LB. I was so paranoid that even though she didn't look like a LB, I wanted to make sure she knew my stand on this.

I was beginning to get a bit discouraged, thinking there was only LBs around there although interestingly I noticed a couple of 'canos my age with young filipinas, one even had two (and I was thinking sharing with fellow countryman was good practice).

All this time she is starting to rub my arm as we walk. WARNING! WARNING! Little brain starting to take control.

I was a bit paranoid that she was telling an accomplish to meet us at the hotel. My paranoia increased because at that time, the driver clicked the door locks. I then said my hotel really was the Oxford suites, and told the driver thats were we were going. The girl didn't call her friend back so I took that as a good sign.Good descriptive report. Remember: Just because you are paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you hahaha.


I was thinking the "she's my niece" wouldn't work. Anyway, we walked into the lobby with my head held high and ignoring the stares from the other guests in the waiting area. No questions asked by the doormen.The doormen won't bother you. Ignore them all. The walk of shame is only shameful if it bothers you to be seen with a hooker walking into a hotel.


I know I'll get some comments about giving her 2000p but thats what I thought was fair.Don't worry about the money, its your first trip. You'll get the hang of it, and the amount is not that far above the norm.


I do have a photo but I am not sure on the ethics of posting it without her permission. Should I disguise it first.Disguise her face, jewelry, tattoos, or anything that would identify her to her friends.

[Devils 1]

I do have a photo but I am not sure on the ethics of posting it without her permission. Should I disguise it first.I'm,

That is a great report and sounds like a good experience for your first time out. What you did a great job of describing is a very typical night in the Phils. The most important learning point here is that these girls are not aggressive at all. The smiles and giggles you receieved from all of the girls are just there way of saying YES!

The price you paid is fine, you were happy and she was happy, thats what matters.

Yes post your pics! Up to you sir whether you hide her face or not. But I am dieing to see this little honey that stole your cherry and maybe your heart?

[IM Punter]

Following my first experience with Jenalyn from the Havana Cafe, I was left with a decision should I do a repeat or not. Well, she decided for me, and texted what was I up to. I txt back "not much you". She said "I home, can c0me you?". Little brain kicked in and replied "yes, where are you". She replied "at starbocks can you me taxi" (note the time sequence was only a few seconds apart. Unless her home was starbucks or she managed to teleport from her home to starbucks, something wasn't quite accurate. Anyway I went down to starbucks and met her as she and her friend were sipping hot chocolate (in this weather. Hot chocolate).

We headed back to the hotel for a repeat performance that was actually better since I wasn't tired and had taken a cialis. She was also more affectionate, gave me a nice massage before the main act, and actually kissed a bit. Once again, she had a shower and I noticed that she took a toothbrush and toothpaste out of her purse to brush her teeth in the shower. Anyway it was good, and the somewhat sad thing is, once the little brain goes to sleep, there isn't much to talk about with limited comprehension of each others language. I gave her another 2000p and 100p for the taxi and took her down to the street and got a nice kiss goodbye much to the amusement of the doormen. I said I would txt her when I got back from Baguio. One nice touch, as I was lacing my shoes to go down, she didn't like the way I did it, so she got down and retied them. I almost said "while you are down there."Anyway, a nice time and a nice girl. I know that anything she tells me may stretch the truth, but I did feel she treated me with respect, wasn't overtly money grabbing and certainly fun in bed.

BTW, as soon as I get my hands on some photo editing software, I'll post her pic. I'm kind of limited without a real computer.

[WestCoast1]

One nice touch, as I was lacing my shoes to go down, she didn't like the way I did it, so she got down and retied them.Many moons ago, I flew to Cebu. A young chatmate asked before I came if she could guide me around town for some pesos. She met me at the airport, went to the hotel with me, and spent the afternoon and evening. She insisted the lights be out for the lovemaking, but she was a real tigress in bed. Next morning when I wake up, she is quietly moving about straightening the room, wearing just her panties, hair wet from the shower, humming and quietly singing old 70's love songs (Barry Manilow's "Mandy" was one of them). For several minutes she didn't know I was watching her. When you said your girl tied your shoes, that long-forgotten memory flooded into my mind, reminding me of how loving pinay can be.


BTW, as soon as I get my hands on some photo editing software, I'll post her pic. I'm kind of limited without a real computer.Download PhotoScape (free).

[Nvslim]

When you said your girl tied your shoes, that long-forgotten memory flooded into my mind, reminding me of how loving pinay can be.I know, I get a kiss from the sweetest little Pinay every night before she goes to bed. :D

Slim

[Fatboy 1980]

After some intensive DIA searching and ym chats, I've got a reasonable list of contacts for my trip to the phils this weekend. The only problem is I don't have a cellphone. I will stay in Oxford Suites so is there anywhere around there I can buy a cheap phone and SIM? Nothing special, just texts and calls.

[WestCoast1]

After some intensive DIA searching and ym chats, I've got a reasonable list of contacts for my trip to the phils this weekend. The only problem is I don't have a cellphone. I will stay in Oxford Suites so is there anywhere around there I can buy a cheap phone and SIM? Nothing special, just texts and calls.Go to any mall. Many phone places. Prices start at about p2000 for a phone, and p100 for a SIM card (loaded). Ask the girl to put the phone together for you completely, watch what she does to install the SIM card. Have her power it up and send you a txt from her phone so you know it works before walking off with it.

[Red Kilt]

Go to any mall. Many phone places. Prices start at about p2000 for a phone, and p100 for a SIM card (loaded). Ask the girl to put the phone together for you completely, watch what she does to install the SIM card. Have her power it up and send you a txt from her phone so you know it works before walking off with it.Hey WC. 2000 is too expensive.

The bottom of the line Nokia, a great little model #1280 that fits very sweetly in the pocket, is 888 php brand new from most Nokia shops (sometimes it is 1200 php but I got a special). As you said, you can also buy a SIM and extra card load in the same shop, and my shop assistant, who, incidentally was a male even though you assumed all shop assistants are female, set it all up for me.

Use Yahoo and then load the "unlimited text for 24 hours" option for 25 pesos. Text unli25 to 6406

[Econo Tech]

Many moons ago, I flew to Cebu. A young chatmate asked before I came if she could guide me around town for some pesos. She met me at the airport, went to the hotel with me, and spent the afternoon and evening. She insisted the lights be out for the lovemaking, but she was a real tigress in bed. Next morning when I wake up, she is quietly moving about straightening the room, wearing just her panties, hair wet from the shower, humming and quietly singing old 70's love songs (Barry Manilow's "Mandy" was one of them). For several minutes she didn't know I was watching her. When you said your girl tied your shoes, that long-forgotten memory flooded into my mind, reminding me of how loving pinay can be.

Download PhotoScape (free).Or google for Irfanview. Also free and also easier to resize. Just open the picture in Irfanview and CTRL + R resizes it nicely. And just save it. And you are good to go.

[Fatboy 1980]

Thanks for the help, fellas. I hope you don't mind me asking for some more help, but is it easy to get some decent condoms, lube, viagra etc there?

[Snow Koala]

There is a mall behind Glorietta called Park Square Mall that has lots of electronics including cell phones. It is next to Dusit Thani hotel. Its about 2 kms from Burgos st.

Park Square Mall also have a couple of good golf shops.


Go to any mall. Many phone places. Prices start at about p2000 for a phone, and p100 for a SIM card (loaded). Ask the girl to put the phone together for you completely, watch what she does to install the SIM card. Have her power it up and send you a txt from her phone so you know it works before walking off with it.

[Cool Traveler]

Condoms. Any chain pharmacy. Right above Havana there is a drug stoare. Can't remember the name. They carry ones that fit me, called The Big Boy. Made in Japan. Don't go to the 7/11 etc. The condoms are small. Unless you have tiny weiner. Or a Denny's sausage.

Lube. Hmmm. One can be very imaginative to this response. Just get some fried shicken.

Viagra. Small pharmacies. Don't go to the chains. You will see it on the window, paper display that shows RX Viagra.

One of the best advice I got on this forum was just recently. Wish I could remember the name of the poster. Thank you dear felllow monger / poster. Get the 100 mg. It is the ame price as the 25 mg. Divide up the 100 mg. 25 mg works very good for someone with no erectile dysfunction.


Thanks for the help, fellas. I hope you don't mind me asking for some more help, but is it easy to get some decent condoms, lube, viagra etc there?

[Iigorvich]

More of a general question.

Havana in Greenbelt seems to be a very good shootoff of Balcony Bar in Rio. Ie freelance-friendly bar.

How common are places like this?

Mongering in Ukraine, Czech, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Poland, Brazil, Phils, Germany among other places I haven't seen these kind of places very often. Closest I have seen has been Freelancers at adisco one time in Kiev, Ukraine.

[Inlock]

Thanks for the help, fellas. I hope you don't mind me asking for some more help, but is it easy to get some decent condoms, lube, viagra etc there?I would definitely bring my needs of that kind from home. In my opinion condoms is a very personal accessory and you need to feel comfortable with the size and the quality etc. So bring your usual brand and model. As far as lube is concerned I don't have any preferences as that is not part of my standard mongering equipment.

Regarding viagra, cialis and stuff like that, I know that the opinion is as numerous as the number of members of the board.

The most important thing to have in mind is that you shouldn't buy it from the street vendors. You have no guarantee what so ever what's in the cardboard box he is offering you. It could be worthless placebo or in the worst case something both worthless and with the most unpleasant side effects.

Personally I bring plenty of prescribed Levitra purchased at an indecent high price at the local pharmacy in my home country. But I feel totally safe using that. And that's what's important for me.

But ofcourse you can get all your needs of this kind at the Mercury's drugstores and the local pharmacies.

[Mongerer69]

I've been to places all over the world but Havana? It is a special place indeed. If only there were no Lady Boys it would be Paradise. As far as being "common place" it is not. It is the best combination of Class, Value and Mongering Fun that I have ever seen in my 30 + years at this hobby.


More of a general question.

Havana in Greenbelt seems to be a very good shootoff of Balcony Bar in Rio. Ie freelance-friendly bar.

How common are places like this?

Mongering in Ukraine, Czech, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Poland, Brazil, Phils, Germany among other places I haven't seen these kind of places very often. Closest I have seen has been Freelancers at adisco one time in Kiev, Ukraine.

[Mc Don]

More of a general question.

Havana in Greenbelt seems to be a very good shootoff of Balcony Bar in Rio. Ie freelance-friendly bar.

How common are places like this?

Mongering in Ukraine, Czech, Hungary, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Poland, Brazil, Phils, Germany among other places I haven't seen these kind of places very often. Closest I have seen has been Freelancers at adisco one time in Kiev, Ukraine.More common then you think. Check out Beach Club in KL or Ipanama (orchard towers) in Singapore, to many to list in Bangkok, Thailand, HK, Costa Rica, Brasil. My favorite has to be MBC then Beach Club in KL.

[Mc Don]

Thanks for the help, fellas. I hope you don't mind me asking for some more help, but is it easy to get some decent condoms, lube, viagra etc there?Condoms I bring my own japanese thin stuff.

Lube. You can buy KY in any pharmacy but you have to ask for it its behind the counter. You will not find any flavored lube if thats your thing, bring your own.

Don't know about viagra but my wingman buys of the street in AC. He has never had issues although he prefers Black Ant because according to him he can drink and still get a boner.

[Mongerer69]

I stand by my comment. Language is no issue and the 1/2 Spanish 1/2 Chinita is my thing. These girls are horny as hell. Filipinas in my opinion have the best GFE personality. And you can't complain on the value issue.


More common then you think. Check out Beach Club in KL or Ipanama (orchard towers) in Singapore, to many to list in Bangkok, Thailand, HK, Costa Rica, Brasil. My favorite has to be MBC then Beach Club in KL.

[Manta Ray]

Condoms I bring my own japanese thin stuff.

Lube. You can buy KY in any pharmacy but you have to ask for it its behind the counter. You will not find any flavored lube if thats your thing, bring your own.

Don't know about viagra but my wingman buys of the street in AC. He has never had issues although he prefers Black Ant because according to him he can drink and still get a boner.It's difficult to find large-size condoms, so if you want or need 'them, get 'them before you arrive. As for lube, in most Mercury drug stores and 7-11's you can find small single-use packets of lube called Ice and also Fire. As the names imply, Ice feels cold and mentholated, while Fire is warm.

On Burgos in Makati and in Malate near MBC lots of guys walk around selling the generic Indian-made Viagra and Cialis for 150-200 pesos a box (four tabs). Mostly reliable, but YMMV when you buy on the street. Most of the large drug stores require a prescription. Have fun!

Manta Ray

[Mc Don]

I stand by my comment. Language is no issue and the 1/2 Spanish 1/2 Chinita is my thing. These girls are horny as hell. Filipinas in my opinion have the best GFE personality. And you can't complain on the value issue.Monger69 I was just answering Iigorovich's question about how common these places are around the world. Don't take it personal LOL. For me MBC works better, more choice, cheaper, far more entertaining and friendly, indoors, short time hotel across the street. I hate the Manila heat and most of Havana's action is outdoors. I find far more quality in the discos around Greenbelt latter at night too. I am not knocking Havana its still one of my fav places, I just wish it had a bigger indoor area. For my Makati visits I usually start of at burgos st then end up in one of the many discos with a girl from burgos or I pick up in a disco. Havana has on few occasions been good to me during the day or very early in the evening if I am staying near by and decide to visit before going to burgos. Its just my personal preference

[Red Kilt]

. I hate the Manila heat and most of Havana's action is outdoors. I find far more quality in the discos around Greenbelt latter at night too. I am not knocking Havana its still one of my fav places, I just wish it had a bigger indoor area. For my Makati visits I usually start of at burgos st then end up in one of the many discos with a girl from burgos or I pick up in a disco. Havana has on few occasions been good to me during the day or very early in the evening if I am staying near by and decide to visit before going to burgos. Its just my personal preferenceWe all have our different preferences as McDon indicates.

I actually like being outdoors in Cafe Havana, especially now and over the past 2 months since the weather has been quite balmy and even "cool".

On Tuesday Good Enough and I rolled in after dinner quite early at around 9pm for a quiet drink and a reconn and it was about 40:60 punters and ladies. Definitely a buyer's market and all varieties were available including the regular ladies who are there every night (some have been regulars for more than 2 years now LOL).

I guess these regulars "zero in" on the fresh faces so it might be good for newbies to Havana to go with a wing man who is familiar with the clientele so you can avoid catching these "oldies" who must have pussies like well-worn wellington boots. I am only speculating as I steer well clear from even eye-contact with them. If you prefer to travel solo, then get your radar up. The more pushy and more "aggressive" ladies are more likely to be these regulars - the cuter and more demure ones who give the small sideways smiles may be the fresher and less frequent or experienced habitues.

[GoodEnough]

I was going to wait until later this evening to write my impressions of the New World Hotel, but RK's post on our pleasant evening sitting and sipping at Havana provides the perfect lead-in.

I just completed my first stay there, after having spent years loyally frequenting the Dusit, where we had an excellent corporate rate and where I was always treated extremely well. Recently however, the hotel got greedy, raised the rates by 30 or 35% and cut back on the "extras," so I discontinued the relationship and went looking for new venues. New World offered us an excellent deal, and so it's there that I went, to find a very nice room, well-appointed with good amenities, and a nice view. The service within the hotel was excellent, and staff were very quick to respond to my requests. The food, if not spectacular, was well presented and reasonably tasty, and of course the location, a 30 second walk from Greenbelt 3, is perfect, or at least perfect for me. I think this will become my new home in Makati.

There is a club at the hotel, but I couldn't quite figure it out as it was closed on both nights that I was there. One bellman told me that it's only open for special functions, while another told me it's open Thursday through Saturday nights. Anyone with more information on the place, please let me know what the deal is.

All told, I had an excellent experience and I'll keep going back.

GE

[Joyra]

The more pushy and more "aggressive" ladies are more likely to be these regulars - the cuter and more demure ones who give the small sideways smiles may be the fresher and less frequent or experienced habitues.Red Kilt, thats a good observation. Well, I have seen this scene in other Asian countries too (Myanmar and Cambodia).

I am planning to visit Manila in the last week of February 2012 and was thinking of staying at Sangrila in Makati. Please guide me if this new hotel mentioned by you is guest friendly. If yes, I too can give it a try.

I am new to Philippines and any help and suggestion from you and other veterans of Philippines MOngering scene would be very helpful to me.

Cheers!

Joyra

[X Man]

Love a guy who actually speaks his mind and doesn't give s hit what others think.

J comdoms have gone to what? .001 / but some guys here will tell you that they are too small. As if rubber somehow stops stretching on thier massive penises. Give me a break! .001 thinness. It doesn't get much thinner than that. You can't even buy that in the USA because a one in one million failure means a huge lawsuit.

As for street vitamins, never had a problem. But wait a month or less and someone here will bellow out about how dangerous it is to buy v or see from the street guys. X.


Condoms I bring my own japanese thin stuff.

Lube. You can buy KY in any pharmacy but you have to ask for it its behind the counter. You will not find any flavored lube if thats your thing, bring your own.

Don't know about viagra but my wingman buys of the street in AC. He has never had issues although he prefers Black Ant because according to him he can drink and still get a boner.

[Joyra]

The more pushy and more "aggressive" ladies are more likely to be these regulars - the cuter and more demure ones who give the small sideways smiles may be the fresher and less frequent or experienced habitues.Red Kilt, thats a good observation. Well, I have seen this scene in other Asian countries too (Myanmar and Cambodia).

I am planning to visit Manila in the last week of February 2012 and was thinking of staying at Sangrila in Makati. Please guide me if this new hotel mentioned by you is guest friendly. If yes, I too can give it a try.

I am new to Philippines and any help and suggestion from you and other veterans of Philippines MOngering scene would be very helpful to me.

Cheers!

Joyra

[Mc Don]

I was going to wait until later this evening to write my impressions of the New World Hotel, but RK's post on our pleasant evening sitting and sipping at Havana provides the perfect lead-in.

I just completed my first stay there, after having spent years loyally frequenting the Dusit, where we had an excellent corporate rate and where I was always treated extremely well. Recently however, the hotel got greedy, raised the rates by 30 or 35% and cut back on the "extras," so I discontinued the relationship and went looking for new venues. New World offered us an excellent deal, and so it's there that I went, to find a very nice room, well-appointed with good amenities, and a nice view. The service within the hotel was excellent, and staff were very quick to respond to my requests. The food, if not spectacular, was well presented and reasonably tasty, and of course the location, a 30 second walk from Greenbelt 3, is perfect, or at least perfect for me. I think this will become my new home in Makati.

There is a club at the hotel, but I couldn't quite figure it out as it was closed on both nights that I was there. One bellman told me that it's only open for special functions, while another told me it's open Thursday through Saturday nights. Anyone with more information on the place, please let me know what the deal is.

All told, I had an excellent experience and I'll keep going back.

GEClub is open Thurs. Sat with dress code (shoes and collar) for Fri and Sat. 500 peso entry even if you are a hotel guest (unlike ICON which is free for you and your date if you are a guest). Club is nice with 2 seperate areas one with house music one with the lattest hits although music may change depending on the night. Lots of promos and VIP's on the nights I have been too. Some freelancers at the bottom hanging by the bar.

Not a bad place but I still prefer ICON and the Interncon for my stays. NWH as you said has crappy food compared to any other 5 star in manila but yeah location wise its the best. Intercon also has the cheapest helipad in Makati as far as I know and its still close enough. Price wise they tend to be simular most of the times.

[Cool Traveler]

GE:

I have stayed here since I started visiting Manila. It used to be the Rennaissance. Then New World of China bought them out. I got to know the current manager. Pretty cool guy. It is a very nice hotel.

I am curious to what kind of deal you got. Been trying to get a deal with them. I stay there about 6 times a year.

The club just opened this past year. I went in by myself and felt sort of lonely. So, left and went to Havana.

If you have time check out the Thai massage behind New World, turn left coming out of the hotel, another left go around the to side towards the back, and go left down a block past the 7/11. You will see it on your left. It is called Ton Ton Massage. The women are butt ugly, but if you need a real massage to relieve stress. This is just a 3 miute walk from your room. The thing here is you get just abut anything. I love this hotel. The swimming pool is very good too.

Taking girls up is no problem. They will make the girl surrender the I'd. When the girl leaves, they will call up. When they call up, check to see if you are missing anything, then let them go. The hotel staff are very cool and very helpful. The girls opening the door make eye contact and give you those smile, but I never had the guts to ask them out.

I always felt extremely safe here.

Try the club for us, and let us know how it goes. I may be there in March.

Ciao.


I was going to wait until later this evening to write my impressions of the New World Hotel, but RK's post on our pleasant evening sitting and sipping at Havana provides the perfect lead-in.

I just completed my first stay there, after having spent years loyally frequenting the Dusit, where we had an excellent corporate rate and where I was always treated extremely well. Recently however, the hotel got greedy, raised the rates by 30 or 35% and cut back on the "extras," so I discontinued the relationship and went looking for new venues. New World offered us an excellent deal, and so it's there that I went, to find a very nice room, well-appointed with good amenities, and a nice view. The service within the hotel was excellent, and staff were very quick to respond to my requests. The food, if not spectacular, was well presented and reasonably tasty, and of course the location, a 30 second walk from Greenbelt 3, is perfect, or at least perfect for me. I think this will become my new home in Makati.

There is a club at the hotel, but I couldn't quite figure it out as it was closed on both nights that I was there. One bellman told me that it's only open for special functions, while another told me it's open Thursday through Saturday nights. Anyone with more information on the place, please let me know what the deal is.

All told, I had an excellent experience and I'll keep going back.

GE

[Cool Traveler]

GE:

I have stayed here since I started visiting Manila. It used to be the Rennaissance. Then New World of China bought them out. I got to know the current manager. Pretty cool guy. It is a very nice hotel.

I am curious to what kind of deal you got. Been trying to get a deal with them. I stay there about 6 times a year.

The club just opened this past year. I went in by myself and felt sort of lonely. So, left and went to Havana.

If you have time check out the Thai massage behind New World, turn left coming out of the hotel, another left go around the to side towards the back, and go left down a block past the 7/11. You will see it on your left. It is called Ton Ton Massage. The women are butt ugly, but if you need a real massage to relieve stress. This is just a 3 miute walk from your room. The thing here is you get just abut anything. I love this hotel. The swimming pool is very good too.

Taking girls up is no problem. They will make the girl surrender the I'd. When the girl leaves, they will call up. When they call up, check to see if you are missing anything, then let them go. The hotel staff are very cool and very helpful. The girls opening the door make eye contact and give you those smile, but I never had the guts to ask them out.

I always felt extremely safe here.

Try the club for us, and let us know how it goes. I may be there in March.

Ciao


I was going to wait until later this evening to write my impressions of the New World Hotel, but RK's post on our pleasant evening sitting and sipping at Havana provides the perfect lead-in.

I just completed my first stay there, after having spent years loyally frequenting the Dusit, where we had an excellent corporate rate and where I was always treated extremely well. Recently however, the hotel got greedy, raised the rates by 30 or 35% and cut back on the "extras," so I discontinued the relationship and went looking for new venues. New World offered us an excellent deal, and so it's there that I went, to find a very nice room, well-appointed with good amenities, and a nice view. The service within the hotel was excellent, and staff were very quick to respond to my requests. The food, if not spectacular, was well presented and reasonably tasty, and of course the location, a 30 second walk from Greenbelt 3, is perfect, or at least perfect for me. I think this will become my new home in Makati.

There is a club at the hotel, but I couldn't quite figure it out as it was closed on both nights that I was there. One bellman told me that it's only open for special functions, while another told me it's open Thursday through Saturday nights. Anyone with more information on the place, please let me know what the deal is.

All told, I had an excellent experience and I'll keep going back.

GE

[Red Kilt]

Red Kilt, thats a good observation. Well, I have seen this scene in other Asian countries too (Myanmar and Cambodia).

I am planning to visit Manila in the last week of February 2012 and was thinking of staying at Sangrila in Makati. Please guide me if this new hotel mentioned by you is guest friendly. If yes, I too can give it a try.There is a lot of information about the Shangri-la Makati Hotel on the Manila Hotels thread

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2505-Manila-Hotels

The Shangri-la, along with EVERY other hotel in Manila, is guest friendly. Read all about it (them?) in the link.

[Firebird]

I just stayed at the New World hotel and can absolutely recommend it. Excellent accomodations. Staff is super helful and friendly. Right across the street to Havana and short taxi ride to Burgos. Never a problem bringing a girl in. One night came in at 1AM with a young spinner. No one gave second look just opened the door and smiled.

Security is excellent and so is the food. I will return in May and plan to again stay there.

[Mongerer69]

As previously stated can't be beat for location. Just a 9 Iron away from Havana. As for Best Rate. Asia Travel from time to time runs a special CRAZY RATE for Makati. It is an un-named hotel that usually 9 out of 10 times turns out to be New World the other 1 time is Dusit. With breakfast for you and your guest $109. My buddy and I stayed there end of Sept during Typhoon Pedring. Weather sucked but most of our activity was in the room anyway. Great hotel..... great breakfast

[Red Kilt]

It is good to see that GEs post #2893 triggered such an avalanche of love for New World Hotel, as it has reassured me that many of our Makati mongering members seek to stay in salubrious accommodation when they pass through Manila rather than the less attractive low cost pension houses that so many other members seem to seek in either AC or Cebu.

New World is indeed a nice place, and location, location, location is everything, especially when confronted with Manila traffic on a Friday evening.

It seems some of the women like it too. Just this evening as I walked through the GB3 lobby I spied a very cute and curvaceous woman dressed to kill lurking by the escalator leading downstairs to the CRs and parking area. Her smile stopped me, and I jokingly asked "Are you waiting for me hehehe? To which she replied, and this is gospel truth: "I could be if you are staying at the hotel across the street" (which is, of course, New World). Further simple chit chat with her revealed that she travels from Cavite when she needs money and waits around there rather than in Havana for guys who are either coming from or going to NW because she "likes both the hotel and the disco club". Unfortunately I was heading for home so I left her in her "spider and fly" position.

Perhaps someone already knows her. Her name is KC (well, it was tonight anyway) and no, I didn't get a phone number.

[Sugoi]

Club is open Thurs. Sat with dress code (shoes and collar) for Fri and Sat. 500 peso entry even if you are a hotel guest (unlike ICON which is free for you and your date if you are a guest). Club is nice with 2 seperate areas one with house music one with the lattest hits although music may change depending on the night. Lots of promos and VIP's on the nights I have been too. Some freelancers at the bottom hanging by the bar.

Not a bad place but I still prefer ICON and the Interncon for my stays. NWH as you said has crappy food compared to any other 5 star in manila but yeah location wise its the best. Intercon also has the cheapest helipad in Makati as far as I know and its still close enough. Price wise they tend to be simular most of the times.I've been to Palladium on a Wednesday night but this was about 4-5 months ago. I wasn't staying at the hotel but just walked in like I was supposed to be there and they didn't ask me for a cover charge but they did ask the people after me.

I went at about 3am so it wasn't as crowded as it probably was earlier but not a bad place.

[Mc Don]

New World is indeed a nice place, and location, location, location is everything, especially when confronted with Manila traffic on a Friday evening.To be honest I prefer Burgos and for me Makati Palace is the best location hands down. The hotel is a shit hole though. I hope the new ABC in Makati will be around Burgos. I can only wish there was one descent hotel around Burgos.

[Cool Traveler]

I stayed at the Makati Palace once because New World was full. It wasn't that bad. If you looking at Burgos, try the City Garden. It is right next to St. Giles. Great location. There is a restaurant at the top floor of City Garden that has a breathtaking view of Manila. Just don't breath too much. Plus the pool is on the top floor where this restaurant is. Buy couple of drinks and jump into the pool.

I was there in Jan. And thought it was very nice and clean and reasonable.

CT.


To be honest I prefer Burgos and for me Makati Palace is the best location hands down. The hotel is a shit hole though. I hope the new ABC in Makati will be around Burgos. I can only wish there was one descent hotel around Burgos.

[Snow Koala]

Oxford Suites is the best that I have stayed at and right in the middle of Burgos St.


To be honest I prefer Burgos and for me Makati Palace is the best location hands down. The hotel is a shit hole though. I hope the new ABC in Makati will be around Burgos. I can only wish there was one descent hotel around Burgos.

[Amjeck]

Not a bad place but I still prefer ICON and the Interncon for my stays. NWH as you said has crappy food compared to any other 5 star in manila but yeah location wise its the best. Intercon also has the cheapest helipad in Makati as far as I know and its still close enough. Price wise they tend to be simular most of the times.I heard the club ICON is loaded with 18-21yo freelancers. Is this true?

[Mc Don]

I heard the club ICON is loaded with 18-21yo freelancers. Is this true?I wouldn't say loaded. There are few BUT you need to be careful because there are many rich civilians too just having fun that may be dressed to impress and look a bit slutty. Action starts around 1. 30 it gets good by around 3 am. Lots of B list celbs too, Mocha girls are regulars after their performance at Hard Rock on Thursday and Saturdays (at least this was the case in Sep / Oct / Dec). A lot of Havana hotties also end up there after havana closes.

[GoodEnough]

Different strokes I guess. I dislike Burgos intensely, and would never stay there by choice, though I have stayed once or twice at the Oxford because it was the only room that my office could get for me at the last miinute. I guess the difference is whether you're here on holiday or not. When I'm in Manila, I'm there primarily for work, and meeting clients and busines associates for drinks or coffee at a hotel on Burgos really doesn't create a great impression. Plus, for me, the street and its bars are seedy, and I don't enjoy them, though I'm not putting down anyone who does.

GE

[Mc Don]

Different strokes I guess. I dislike Burgos intensely, and would never stay there by choice, though I have stayed once or twice at the Oxford because it was the only room that my office could get for me at the last miinute. I guess the difference is whether you're here on holiday or not. When I'm in Manila, I'm there primarily for work, and meeting clients and busines associates for drinks or coffee at a hotel on Burgos really doesn't create a great impression. Plus, for me, the street and its bars are seedy, and I don't enjoy them, though I'm not putting down anyone who does.

GEYeah you are right. When I have work in Manila its the greenbelt hotels just like yourself. There is nothing worse then having business meetings on or around burgos.

For me though these days business in phils accounts less then 2% and usually I am there on holiday so yeah AC and Burgos make far more sense unless I have planned a GF experience. I am not too much into shopping in Phils as I often come from Singapore or Thailand so all my shopping is sorted out before I even reach Phils so other then the decent variety or restaurants and proximity to the cinemas there is not much point staying around greenbelt. Around Burgos there are few decent restaurants on Polaris St (2 spanish restaurants and the italian La Dolce Vita) which is enough as I usually stay 3-4 days max.

[Devils 1]

Around Burgos there are few decent restaurants on Polaris St (2 spanish restaurants and the italian La Dolce Vita) which is enough as I usually stay 3-4 days max.Would really apprieciate the name of those spanish places. Also there approximate location.

[Devils 1]

Around Burgos there are few decent restaurants on Polaris St (2 spanish restaurants and the italian La Dolce Vita) which is enough as I usually stay 3-4 days max.By the way the restaurant next to Bottoms, I think it is called Bellagio? They recently did a huge remodel and the place is very large and open. The last 2-3 times I have walked by it was full of freelancers. On several occasions I have noticed very nice looking women sitting in there giving the "I am available" look to every foreigner that walks by. I think the place really has the potential to become a serious pick up joint.

[Blackangst]

I stayed at the Makati Palace once because New World was full. It wasn't that bad. If you looking at Burgos, try the City Garden. It is right next to St. Giles. Great location. There is a restaurant at the top floor of City Garden that has a breathtaking view of Manila. Just don't breath too much. Plus the pool is on the top floor where this restaurant is. Buy couple of drinks and jump into the pool.

I was there in Jan. And thought it was very nice and clean and reasonable.

CT.I second Makati Palace. Stayed there for 8 days last year and was impressed considering the price and location. There are two types of rooms. The old ones and the renovated ones. I stayed in the latter.

[Mc Don]

Would really apprieciate the name of those spanish places. Also there approximate location.One of the places is called ALBA's which is a Manila institution. Great spanish food. Tapas mostly. There are few Alba's throughout manila but this is the original one. Food is great, tapas are around 120. 250 p each. Budget around 500-1000p per person with drink. The place at night has good mariachi bend too. Very romantic for a GF experience. The place is on polaris st. From Makati Palace instead on Burgos turn towards La Dolce Vita and walk to polaris st. It should be on your left on polaris st 30 meters or so oposite La Dolce Vita. You can't miss it.

The second place I believe is called La Trienda, which again going towards la dolce vita you need to turn right on polaris st and them maybe walk another 50-70 metters. Its on the same side of the street as la dolce vita. The place has more basque spanish food and good selection of wine. This is more of a family restaurant at least thats what it appeared to be the times I have been there. Very nice place good food again around 500-1000 p per person.

I would not take a bar girl in either restaurant. They probably would prefer the feeling station or the jollibee anyway.

[Mc Don]

By the way the restaurant next to Bottoms, I think it is called Bellagio? They recently did a huge remodel and the place is very large and open. The last 2-3 times I have walked by it was full of freelancers. On several occasions I have noticed very nice looking women sitting in there giving the "I am available" look to every foreigner that walks by. I think the place really has the potential to become a serious pick up joint.The cafe right next to bottoms I think gets their food from upstairs (the feeling station). Thats the place with all this crazy prices like 177 peso sandwich and so on. Be careful there as the feeling station is known for some ridicules deals in the past like $20 burger LOL. Bar girls love the joint because to them its just upscale joolibee but fuck you can easily end up with a 2000 peso bill for 3 people in what is no more then a stinky diner with some USA 50's memorabilia.

I prefer the Matrix on the other side of burgos to just watch the action.

As for picking up on burgos st, really depending on the time even 7/11 can be a pick up spot. I have been followed few times inside 7/11 hoping I guess that I will take them up. I know what you are saying but you will find that next time you are there the girl may not be in that particular place but there is plenty more around the street that will give you the look. Oh god I miss burgos st at 4 am. Closing time at the bars, cold San Mig in my hand at the matrix working out which one or two I take up as they try their best to impress before they disappear in the night LOL.

[Snow Koala]

Unfortunately ICON is not full of 18-21yo freelancers. There are freelancers in ICON but more the upmarket older freelancers. There is a 500peso entrance fee the girls have to pay as well. Try Republiq at Resorts World near the airport for 18-21yo freelancers.


I heard the club ICON is loaded with 18-21yo freelancers. Is this true?

[D Cups]

Hi Guys,

I'll be staying at Citadel Inn on Burgos, right in the heart of the action, in about 32 days. Any interested wingmen or big boob sightings please send me a PM. Asian Rain, if you are reading this and happen to be in Makati, hit me up and I'll buy you a beer and set you straight.

[Mc Don]

Unfortunately ICON is not full of 18-21yo freelancers. There are freelancers in ICON but more the upmarket older freelancers. There is a 500peso entrance fee the girls have to pay as well. Try Republiq at Resorts World near the airport for 18-21yo freelancers.Best place for 18-21yr olds was LAX near MOA but now thats closed. I would say Nirvana in Malate. Republiq is good but you have to line up for hours sometimes. Otherwise yeah its the in club at the moment.

[Boola Fiji]

Hey guys,

Spending my first night on a 2 week stay here in makati. Too tired to head out due to the long flight in. Does anyone have contacts or rexommendations for a in-call massage service where girls would provide happyending? Plese recommend those you may have actually used. Thanks guys!

[Slippery]

There are plenty of them right there in Makati that will come directly to your hotel. Just go on Craigslist.

[Jedi69]

Planning trip to Manila next month, was a frequent traveler there 5 yrs ago and that was how long since my last trip. Use to stay in makati palace and there is a place for massage on the highest floor. It was strictly massage but damn good massage if you have tire muscles.

And if you have opt for the body wash add on, after the massage you have cute girl to body wash you in nude. Scrap you, wash you and bath you, even clean up your didi real good, you will be shiny clean after that. The last time I was there which was 5 years ago it was closed out of business, was wondering if there any place else where, in manila offering such body wash by a cute syt.

Cheers

[D Cups]

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1245200]I prefer the Matrix on the other side of burgos to just watch the action.

Is Matrix the bar with the live rock band?

Thanks

[Mc Don]

[QUOTE=Mc Don; 1245200]I prefer the Matrix on the other side of burgos to just watch the action.

Is Matrix the bar with the live rock band?

ThanksMatrix is more of a snack bar, you can seat outside and just watch the action on the street. There is an inside part but I have never been inside so I have no idea, although I have never heard live music.

[GoodEnough]

[QUOTE=D Cups; 1246907]Matrix is more of a snack bar, you can seat outside and just watch the action on the street. There is an inside part but I have never been inside so I have no idea, although I have never heard live music.While the drinks are okay and the location is ideal for people watching, I've never ordered anything there that I thought was edible.

[Run Mann]

Hey guys,

Spending my first night on a 2 week stay here in makati. Too tired to head out due to the long flight in. Does anyone have contacts or rexommendations for a in-call massage service where girls would provide happyending? Plese recommend those you may have actually used. Thanks guys!You've probably found it by now but many of these girls are on street in Burgos yelling "sir, massage, massage sir," Also depending on your hotel the security guard should be able to help.

[Lalake]

hey guys,

spending my first night on a 2 week stay here in makati. too tired to head out due to the long flight in. does anyone have contacts or rexommendations for a in-call massage service where girls would provide happyending? plese recommend those you may have actually used. thanks guys!one word: craigslist. go to the manila sector, and scroll down to therapeudic.

let us know how it goes as i've never tried sorry. but others on here have tried. i've always thought we could add a craigslist thread, but that may be contrary to the rules of the forum.

[Brown Rail]

Planning trip to Manila next month, was a frequent traveler there 5 yrs ago and that was how long since my last trip. Use to stay in makati palace and there is a place for massage on the highest floor. It was strictly massage but damn good massage if you have tire muscles.

And if you have opt for the body wash add on, after the massage you have cute girl to body wash you in nude. Scrap you, wash you and bath you, even clean up your didi real good, you will be shiny clean after that. The last time I was there which was 5 years ago it was closed out of business, was wondering if there any place else where, in manila offering such body wash by a cute syt.

CheersThere is a place at the end of Arnaiz. Next to the Skyway entrance. They do the body scrub, P650 for 90min. Their facilities are not very good. Tiny rooms and only one shower, on the second floor, but girls are enthusiastic.

[Jedi69]

There is a place at the end of Arnaiz. Next to the Skyway entrance. They do the body scrub, P650 for 90min. Their facilities are not very good. Tiny rooms and only one shower, on the second floor, but girls are enthusiastic.Thank you mate for the info.

Cheers

[Fast Eddie 48]

Thank you mate for the info.

CheersTo Jedi 69.

The Roman suite hotel massage 2 nd fl have hot girl but expensive 1200 for massage and room and 1500 p for the girl if you want extra service, they have a fish bowl that you can pick the girl but massage is just ok they are pushy for FS.

http://www.whorist.com/manila-sexy-hookers-bars-massage

Fast Eddie 48

[Mongerer69]

When is the last time you were there? I was there in October had a great time but then I read here on the forum they were shut down and closed? Any news?


To Jedi 69.

The Roman suite hotel massage 2 nd fl have hot girl but expensive 1200 for massage and room and 1500 p for the girl if you want extra service, they have a fish bowl that you can pick the girl but massage is just ok they are pushy for FS.

http://www.whorist.com/manila-sexy-hookers-bars-massage

Fast Eddie 48

[Red Kilt]

When is the last time you were there? I was there in October had a great time but then I read here on the forum they were shut down and closed? Any news?You must have just made it Mongerer before it was closed.

It is now closed since a few weeks before Christmas.

[Simian]

When is the last time you were there? I was there in October had a great time but then I read here on the forum they were shut down and closed? Any news?Roman Suites is very unlikely to reopen but you can go down the street to Eustasia, go to the side of the hotel, through some glass doors and up to the first floor for massage. 1500 for the room and 1500 for the girl. Pretend you have been there before many times otherwise they will try to hit you up for a bigger tip.

There are really no other places within Makati for FS unless you count the couple of bars on / near Burgos street that allow some naughty stuff on the premises, if they still allow. You can get naughty massage, mainly hand job only, for up to 1000! I know, very high. And that does not include the cost of the massage.

YOu can go a bit further afield and get a girl from one of the casas. As far as I know, there is no on-site activity in these places so you need a hotel or a place of your own. Read through the forum for the details.

[Devils 1]

We may have a problem here with Havana Cafe! I was there last weekend and they were not letting any of the working girls through the door! I spoke to several girls and they are being told that "we do not let prostitutes come here anymore." I took one girl whom I am friends with inside with me and they told me she had to leave because she is a prostitute. When I questioned the waiter who asked her to leave he said the same thing. We do not want prostitutes here anymore.

Later I spoke to the big guy at the door and he seemed to indicate it was temporary. But I am not so sure? If anyone has any contact with the ownership it would be helpful for everyone to put any pressure we can on them.

[Mongerer69]

What is this world coming to? Can you imagine? I am boycotting. My next trip will only use Makati as a staging area. I am going to Olongapo / AC and spending my hard earned Pesos there.

[Yuri]

Bandito Bar has re opened as Bandito. It is owned by the same person who owns 80% of the bars on P. Burgos such as Bourbons, Billoids, Bronx, Dharans, and Royal Begagio,

The new bandito is a lot cleaner and newer than the old one with a nice ventilation system. It is quiet, NOT loud, where one could think & have conversations. And the bar fines are a manageable 2100 Peso [same with the Bronx up to 2 PM] versus the other Bars on P. Burgos that will cost you a wopping 4000 peso. Bandito is back with affordable Bar Fines, low pressure, and a good selection of nice girls. There are good mamasons at Bandito who will help you get the right girl for you at the price that you want. Bottomline: You will be out at least 4100 Peso when factoring in the bar fines and suggested 2000 peso tip to the girl, plus drinks. Please note that as of the date of writing this letter, Bandito only accepts cash and NOT credit cards.

Have good time.

[Candelaria]

I was just in Hollywood at Burgos few days ago during the happy hour in the afternoon. I was disappointed to see only 2 dancers who showed no interests and 5 GRO's who are well past their primes, and again show no interest whatsoever. Didn't Hollywood use to be the most vibrant of all clubs in Burgos, with lots of young girls? What happened to the mongering scenes unlike the heydays? Maybe my timing was not the best of times to be there at 4pm?

[Snow Koala]

We may have a problem here with Havana Cafe! I was there last weekend and they were not letting any of the working girls through the door! I spoke to several girls and they are being told that "we do not let prostitutes come here anymore." I took one girl whom I am friends with inside with me and they told me she had to leave because she is a prostitute. When I questioned the waiter who asked her to leave he said the same thing. We do not want prostitutes here anymore.

Later I spoke to the big guy at the door and he seemed to indicate it was temporary. But I am not so sure? If anyone has any contact with the ownership it would be helpful for everyone to put any pressure we can on them.I just walked past Havana Cafe (7:30pm Sunday night) and there were about 20-30 foreigners, many sitting alone at tables. Half the tables were empty and there were NO GIRLS. There were a few in Starbucks, a few in Seattles Best Coffee shop and a couple wandering around but nothing like I am used to seeing. I walked down to Spicy Fingers in Greenbelt 2 and Starbucks in Greenbelt 1 but nothing there either. I don't know where they have gone.

Snow

[Key Master]

I just walked past Havana Cafe (7:30pm Sunday night) and there were about 20-30 foreigners, many sitting alone at tables. Half the tables were empty and there were NO GIRLS. There were a few in Starbucks, a few in Seattles Best Coffee shop and a couple wandering around but nothing like I am used to seeing. I walked down to Spicy Fingers in Greenbelt 2 and Starbucks in Greenbelt 1 but nothing there either. I don't know where they have gone.

SnowI've never been there at that time and it's a Sunday. I would think that's quite a bit early to make a determination.

[Mongerer69]

I've never been there at that time and it's a Sunday. I would think that's quite a bit early to make a determination.7:30 pm on Sunday is a little early To make a judgement.

[Rayne122]

7:30 pm on Sunday is a little early To make a judgement.I was in Makati last week and went past Havana at all hours. They have definitely moved them on. The dance floor is empty. There are a few tables but they no longer obviously seek company, you now have to actively approach them. I asked some of the freelancers near Starbucks and they told me there had indeed been a change at Havana. There's a bar opposite near the exit to Greenbelt 3 where it appears some of the girls are now at. Just watch it though, it's a haunt for the Ladyboys as well.

[Mongerer69]

Would be helpful.


I was in Makati last week and went past Havana at all hours. They have definitely moved them on. The dance floor is empty. There are a few tables but they no longer obviously seek company, you now have to actively approach them. I asked some of the freelancers near Starbucks and they told me there had indeed been a change at Havana. There's a bar opposite near the exit to Greenbelt 3 where it appears some of the girls are now at. Just watch it though, it's a haunt for the Ladyboys as well.

[Devils 1]

Would be helpful.The one he is naming is called Cervezeria. They have a huge patio and play really good music. Some of the girls are still sitting outside at Havana and the place next door. The problem with Cervezeria is they let the ladyboys sit outside with everyone else and it can get kind of confusing in the low light.

I have a feeling that this "new havana" is going to return to its old self after holy week.

[Firebird]

In one report I read that the EDSA Complex is series of bars across the street from the Heritage Hotel. In another report I read that the bars are actually inside nearby one large building. Which is correct?

Are these just bars on the street or do I have to look for a building? Are there any signs on the building?

Thanks for the info. Have trip coming up and want to get the right directions.

[YoohaYohao]

In one report I read that the EDSA Complex is series of bars across the street from the Heritage Hotel. In another report I read that the bars are actually inside nearby one large building. Which is correct?

Are these just bars on the street or do I have to look for a building? Are there any signs on the building?

Thanks for the info. Have trip coming up and want to get the right directions.The complex is actually one building with all the bars having separate entrances.

[Sammon]

In one report I read that the EDSA Complex is series of bars across the street from the Heritage Hotel. In another report I read that the bars are actually inside nearby one large building. Which is correct?

Are these just bars on the street or do I have to look for a building? Are there any signs on the building?

Thanks for the info. Have trip coming up and want to get the right directions.Edsa entertainment complex is a two story building on the other side of the road from Heritage hotel. Previously there was a neon sign saying EDSA Entertainment complex. Do not know if it is still there.

You go inside the building and there are many bars Kind of like Nana in BKK. Plenty of girls, mamasans, greeters etc. Girls look way better than what you find at MBC. Prices are 1600 Pesos barfine and you need to pay 2500-3000 LT to the girl separately. So it is not cheap.

You cannot miss this building although entrance is non-descript. Usually there are many taxis in front and some people in front all the time.

[Firebird]

Edsa entertainment complex is a two story building on the other side of the road from Heritage hotel. Previously there was a neon sign saying EDSA Entertainment complex. Do not know if it is still there.

You go inside the building and there are many bars Kind of like Nana in BKK. Plenty of girls, mamasans, greeters etc. Girls look way better than what you find at MBC. Prices are 1600 Pesos barfine and you need to pay 2500-3000 LT to the girl separately. So it is not cheap.

You cannot miss this building although entrance is non-descript. Usually there are many taxis in front and some people in front all the time.Sammon. Thanks for the information

[Mc Don]

I have a feeling that this "new havana" is going to return to its old self after holy week.I think you are right. Its no secret that havana has been a thorn in the eye of many locals in Makati. Over the years I have heard them talk about the problem in havana on the radio, tv and in newspapers although not direct rather more comments left my others. Havana can survive without the no doubt about it, it has ok food and plenty of non mongering customers so from time to time when the debates get heated up and the moral police is out they probably will clean up their act. Having said that I think just like MBC things will return to normal once the pressure subdues or someone gets paid off. My money too is on this happening after holly week.

[Emale]

Bandito Bar has re opened as Bandito. It is owned by the same person who owns 80% of the bars on P. Burgos such as Bourbons, Billoids, Bronx, Dharans, and Royal Begagio,

The new bandito is a lot cleaner and newer than the old one with a nice ventilation system. It is quiet, NOT loud, where one could think & have conversations. And the bar fines are a manageable 2100 Peso [same with the Bronx up to 2 PM] versus the other Bars on P. Burgos that will cost you a wopping 4000 peso. Bandito is back with affordable Bar Fines, low pressure, and a good selection of nice girls. There are good mamasons at Bandito who will help you get the right girl for you at the price that you want. Bottomline: You will be out at least 4100 Peso when factoring in the bar fines and suggested 2000 peso tip to the girl, plus drinks. Please note that as of the date of writing this letter, Bandito only accepts cash and NOT credit cards.

Have good time.When I was there in February, the old Bandito bar had re-opened as Plan B. And the old Flamingo bar has re-opened as Moulin Rouge.

[Sxxxx]

I'm in the same mold as Madison. I don't let my own income dictate how much I give girls. I let the local going rate and economy dictate that. A college gal needing tuition is not more deserving of my money than a bar girl. If I pay $60 for a room and give a girl p2000 for an evening, should I give the next girl 5000 when I transfer to a $150 / night room? Nah, its 2000 for each girl. Is that arrogance? Exploitation?He was giving NOTHING. It wasn't about giving too much too little. The guy is staying in NewWorld Hotel and gives them nothing. That's the point.

[Manta Ray]

When I was there in February, the old Bandito bar had re-opened as Plan B. And the old Flamingo bar has re-opened as Moulin Rouge.I was also there in February, and yes, the old Bandido is now Plan B. There were some very attractive dancers in there-some who had migrated from other Burgos bars, and some new gals. The mamasan told me that the bar fine is 2000P if the customer has already bought the gal a couple of drinks, but higher if he wants to bar fine a girl without first popping for a drink or two.

Manta Ray

[Red Kilt]

. Havana can survive without the no doubt about it, it has ok food and plenty of non mongering customers so from time to time when the debates get heated up and the moral police is out they probably will clean up their act. My money too is on this happening after holly week.I don't think so McD.

I was in Greenbelt last night with GE for a drink and some food and Greenbelt was extremely busy. Havana was packed with regular customers, large groups of mixed office types, and no tables of girls who sit around on one bottle of water each night.

I spoke to a sub-manager about the changed policy and he said that since they have kicked out the hookers business has gone through the roof with regular people returning without the stigma of being labelled as a "hooker" or as a "guy looking for a pickup". He also said that all tables were now giving a decent return whereas previously the "hooker tables" were non-productive with girls buying a bottle of water and a pizza between 4 of them and sitting on it all night.

There were many couples inside on the dance floor and they seemed to be serious dancers so they were all having fun.

There were F / Ls roaming around all over GB like lost sheep. Some were in Cerverseria Wine Bar; a few in Cafe Breton and some in Seattle Coffee but most were wandering up and down between Seattle and Coffee Bean around the corner and looking like cheap hookers too. I saw a security guy ask 3 women occupying a table on the edge at Seattle Coffee to move unless they purchased a drink. The girls had to get up and move off since it seems they couldn't afford a coffee.

There are still opportunities to find a woman there by sitting along the wall by the fountain / ornamental pool between Seattle and Starbucks and they will flock to you as you sit down like goldfish in a pond when a crumb is thrown into the pool. I rejected all advances since that is not my scene but there are still options available. Those guys who like to take a date to Havana will welcome the new policy since to my mind it has now moved slightly more "up-market".

[Mc Don]

I don't think so McD.

I was in Greenbelt last night with GE for a drink and some food and Greenbelt was extremely busy. Havana was packed with regular customers, large groups of mixed office types, and no tables of girls who sit around on one bottle of water each night.

I spoke to a sub-manager about the changed policy and he said that since they have kicked out the hookers business has gone through the roof with regular people returning without the stigma of being labelled as a "hooker" or as a "guy looking for a pickup". He also said that all tables were now giving a decent return whereas previously the "hooker tables" were non-productive with girls buying a bottle of water and a pizza between 4 of them and sitting on it all night.

There were many couples inside on the dance floor and they seemed to be serious dancers so they were all having fun.

There were F / Ls roaming around all over GB like lost sheep. Some were in Cerverseria Wine Bar; a few in Cafe Breton and some in Seattle Coffee but most were wandering up and down between Seattle and Coffee Bean around the corner and looking like cheap hookers too. I saw a security guy ask 3 women occupying a table on the edge at Seattle Coffee to move unless they purchased a drink. The girls had to get up and move off since it seems they couldn't afford a coffee.

There are still opportunities to find a woman there by sitting along the wall by the fountain / ornamental pool between Seattle and Starbucks and they will flock to you as you sit down like goldfish in a pond when a crumb is thrown into the pool. I rejected all advances since that is not my scene but there are still options available. Those guys who like to take a date to Havana will welcome the new policy since to my mind it has now moved slightly more "up-market".Could be. There are many good places that have better food then Havana but don't have the same atmosphere. The only cafe with good food and music that comes to mind is Spice Fingers or something like that. If they can maintain it then yeah you are right. I was never fan of Havana for me this works better. I would say more cheap and desperate pussy on the market or if they do find venue lets hope its indoors with air con LOL.

[Gangles]

I always have a great time at Havana. Fortunately, Miss J1 was happy to try dancing, and now she is hooked. When we get there, I slip a waiter 300 pesos if he can make a space for 2 chairs at the edge of the dance floor. There is a delay, and then suddenly the places appear. So we get to watch the goings on at the bar, have plenty of dances, watch the better dancers, eat some food and drink some wine.

On occasions when I have gone there alone, some gorgeous woman will attach herself to me, and we have a fun evening. And not expensive.

What a great place. I will reserve my judgement about the effects of change in policy. My observation is that the women inside the bar always buy drinks, or get drinks bought for them. Maybe it is the women outside who do not pay. I have never sat outside to observe, always so much fun inside.

A great institution.

G.


Could be. There are many good places that have better food then Havana but don't have the same atmosphere. The only cafe with good food and music that comes to mind is Spice Fingers or something like that. If they can maintain it then yeah you are right. I was never fan of Havana for me this works better. I would say more cheap and desperate pussy on the market or if they do find venue lets hope its indoors with air con LOL.

[Sxxxx]

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There are still opportunities to find a woman there by sitting along the wall by the fountain / ornamental pool between Seattle and Starbucks and they will flock to you as you sit down like goldfish in a pond when a crumb is thrown into the pool. I rejected all advances since that is not my scene but there are still options available. Those guys who like to take a date to Havana will welcome the new policy since to my mind it has now moved slightly more "up-market".Thanks for that critical information on Cafe Havana status nowadays. Saves us taxi fares, frustration, and valuable vacation time, when we have got information from someone like you, on the ground.

[Red Kilt]

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On occasions when I have gone there alone, some gorgeous woman will attach herself to me, and we have a fun evening. And not expensive.

What a great place. I will reserve my judgement about the effects of change in policy. My observation is that the women inside the bar always buy drinks, or get drinks bought for them. Maybe it is the women outside who do not pay. I have never sat outside to observe, always so much fun inside. .Obviously you haven't been there recently G.

Read my post #2951. The hookers (or hookers who don't think they are actually hookers) , are NOT allowed entry (inside as well as outside) , and the bouncers know who they are.

If you were there on Wednesday night you could have saved yourself 300php and chosen your own table inside, even though the whole of Green Belt was full of people.

[Sxxxx]

I always have a great time at Havana.

On occasions when I have gone there alone, some gorgeous woman will attach herself to me, and we have a fun evening. And not expensive.

My observation is that the women inside the bar always buy drinks, or get drinks bought for them. Maybe it is the women outside who do not pay. I have never sat outside to observe, always so much fun inside.

A great institution.

G.My experience inside, not fun, excessive noise which is not conducive to communications such as "how much". And too many regular people, very few hookers. I would say in my experience, on average, around 3 hookers inside, and a hundred or so hookers outside. People who are interested in loud music in a dark small room and dancing, are inside. Those interesting in finding a bed pal, are outside. I never saw any hooker inside, holding a drink, but have seen some punters buy a drink for a girl hanging around the bar. That's my experience on about ten visits.

Quote : "On occasions when I have gone there alone, some gorgeous woman will attach herself to me, and we have a fun evening. And not expensive". Gorgeous women don't like sitting with a guy for ages, thinking he is going to take them back to the Hotel, just to find out the guy is there for a fun time, drinks and dancing. Fun for him, not for her, she is there to pick up real money, not drinks LOL.

[Gangles]

Thanks for that RK.

It has been maybe 3 weeks since I was there last. Right at the end of my last trip, with Miss J1.

It will be interesting to observe the effect that the ban will have. I have never taken any notice of the crowd outside, sitting at the tables. But inside, much of the interest and fascination is to watch the machinations of the mating ritual, played out right there in public. And the P4P women are generally attractive, add to the decor, and pull in a lot of guys who drink a lot of grog.

So without this attraction, the cafe will have to compete with the other restaurants, with the prices that they charge for none-too-special food, and drinks.

Most of the good dancers who frequent the place are pinoy, and it is rarely that they buy a drink, even for themselves, very rarely for a woman. So if they are increasing in numbers, that will be driving down patronage.

I would appreciate any other observations.

An interesting exercise in tinkering with policy in the free market in a competitive capitalistic system.

Life never gets tedious,

G.


Obviously you haven't been there recently G.

Read my post #2951. The hookers (or hookers who don't think they are actually hookers) , are NOT allowed entry (inside as well as outside) , and the bouncers know who they are.

If you were there on Wednesday night you could have saved yourself 300php and chosen your own table inside, even though the whole of Green Belt was full of people.

[Mongerer69]

Yes next to Havana near entrance to Greenbelt 3. I believe they have all the wine or beer you can drink special for P300 for 3 hours.


The one he is naming is called Cervezeria. They have a huge patio and play really good music. Some of the girls are still sitting outside at Havana and the place next door. The problem with Cervezeria is they let the ladyboys sit outside with everyone else and it can get kind of confusing in the low light.

I have a feeling that this "new havana" is going to return to its old self after holy week.

[Red Kilt]

Yes next to Havana near entrance to Greenbelt 3. I believe they have all the wine or beer you can drink special for P300 for 3 hours.Don't believe everything you are told M.

I was at Cerveseria on Wednesday night with GE.

I heard reports that the wine buffet used to be good when it first opened, but on Wednesday night every wine we chose was NOT AVAILABLE. That left a rather limited range of second-rate wines to choose from in the buffet, and it is 588 php not 300 php (which is not good value).

Local beers are 2 for 1 (all day happy "hour"). There isn't a beer buffet.

We ended up getting a bottle of wine from the premium wine list to share. The food is very well presented, but ultra small servings. We just had a snack.

The kitchen (and CR) is shared with "KITCHEN" (the name of the restaurant) next door, so if you want food go there and get better food at a cheaper price.

BTW, a couple of hookers sat near us (each at separate tables) and nursed one of those SM Apple beers for an hour but nobody was biting so they left. They were not attractive.

[Mongerer69]

I remember the place from my last visit in October. Could not remember the cost for the Wine Buffet but I'm sure you are correct. After reading whats been happening around Greenbelt my friend and I are going to Arizona Resort in Olongapo and AC stopping in Makati for a couple of days on the return on May 22 and 23. If anybody is around give me a shout. From there it is HK for the Memorial Day Week End and returning to NY on May 28. Happy Mongering to all.


Don't believe everything you are told M.

I was at Cerveseria on Wednesday night with GE.

I heard reports that the wine buffet used to be good when it first opened, but on Wednesday night every wine we chose was NOT AVAILABLE. That left a rather limited range of second-rate wines to choose from in the buffet, and it is 588 php not 300 php (which is not good value).

Local beers are 2 for 1 (all day happy "hour"). There isn't a beer buffet.

We ended up getting a bottle of wine from the premium wine list to share. The food is very well presented, but ultra small servings. We just had a snack.

The kitchen (and CR) is shared with "KITCHEN" (the name of the restaurant) next door, so if you want food go there and get better food at a cheaper price.

BTW, a couple of hookers sat near us (each at separate tables) and nursed one of those SM Apple beers for an hour but nobody was biting so they left. They were not attractive.

[Joyra]

Friends,

My first visit to manila starts on 11th April 2012.

I have read few tit bits on the forum about Manila and will definitely try to read as much as possible to get information regarding mongering. My company has booked me in InterCon in Makati. Reading the forum I realize that New World hotel would have a better choice from mongering point of view. I still have time until 6 pm tomorrow to change the booking without paying penalties. I request Makati master Mongers to kingly guide me if I should change my booking.

Since it is my first visit and will be there for 4 days only, I am looking for some professional or semi-pro mongering guide. I have tried this in Myanmar and Peru and it was really helpful as the experience of the guide helped me save a lot of time, though it was a bit expensive to hire the services of experiences mongering guide. But then, it was worth it.

Any support and guidance will be highly appreciated.

I do confirm that I will read the relevant topics in Makati and Manila forum.

Cheers!

Joyra

[GoodEnough]

I have read few tit bits on the forum about Manila and will definitely try to read as much as possible to get information regarding mongering. My company has booked me in InterCon in Makati. Reading the forum I realize that New World hotel would have a better choice from mongering point of view. I still have time until 6 pm tomorrow to change the booking without paying penalties. I request Makati master Mongers to kingly guide me if I should change my booking.The New World hs become my hotel of choice whenever I'm in Makati, which is quite frequently. I prefer it to the InterCon both in terms of the facility itself and the location, which is about a 30 second walk from Greenbelt. I'd make the switch.

GE

[Mongerer69]

Can't beat it in my opinion. Only steps away from entrance to Greenbelt 3 and the action. Great breakfast buffet daily. Nice pool to invite the ladies to and best rate for a 4/5 star hotel in Makati. I always book The Makati Crazy Rate on Asiatravel. Com. This time I got 4 days May 22-26 Breakfast Buffet for 2 included for $99US per nite. Can't beat it!

[Sky Ryder]

I hate to see Havana's go by the wayside. It was a rare exception that I did not find a keeper there. In fact I seem to keep them for sometime afterwards. Someone must think they are good, because two really good ones told me over the last six months that they can't see me anymore in Manila because they are afraid their "boyfriends" will find out. Or maybe they were trying not to hurt my feelings. Both occasions the last session was memorable.

I will be interested to see where "those girls" wind up, most of the ones I met were not the MBC type. Maybe SF will pick up the slack. I do understand how Havana maynot be upset about being associated with "that type of place".

Only time will tell, but still a little sad.

[Stroker Ace88]

Friends,

My first visit to manila starts on 11th April 2012.

I have read few tit bits on the forum about Manila and will definitely try to read as much as possible to get information regarding mongering. My company has booked me in InterCon in Makati. Reading the forum I realize that New World hotel would have a better choice from mongering point of view. I still have time until 6 pm tomorrow to change the booking without paying penalties. I request Makati master Mongers to kingly guide me if I should change my booking.

Since it is my first visit and will be there for 4 days only, I am looking for some professional or semi-pro mongering guide. I have tried this in Myanmar and Peru and it was really helpful as the experience of the guide helped me save a lot of time, though it was a bit expensive to hire the services of experiences mongering guide. But then, it was worth it.

Any support and guidance will be highly appreciated.

I do confirm that I will read the relevant topics in Makati and Manila forum.

Cheers!

JoyraJ,

You posted the exact date you will arrive at a specific hotel and also the number of days you plan to stay on an open mongering website for everyone to see? Geeeess louise you make it so easy for LE, government officials or anyone else to track you down, why not post your business card while you are at it my good friend. LOL. *insert eye-roll smiley here*

I am not saying bad things will happen if you post specific info like flight data, hotel booking info, arrival dates ect, but why take the chance? Alot of locals, government busy bodies, lurkers and the sort read this, and other sex oriented websites. You are leaving a trail of breadcrumbs right to your passport and in this digital age you can never be sure who is watching and reading. I'm not a paranoid individual, just informed. You never see senior members here post specific info, and most post only in general terms such as 'last week or the other day' for a reason.

Enjoy Makati.

[Sxxxx]

I hate to see Havana's go by the wayside. It was a rare exception that I did not find a keeper there. In fact I seem to keep them for sometime afterwards. Someone must think they are good, because two really good ones told me over the last six months that they can't see me anymore in Manila because they are afraid their "boyfriends" will find out. Or maybe they were trying not to hurt my feelings. Both occasions the last session was memorable.

I will be interested to see where "those girls" wind up, most of the ones I met were not the MBC type. Maybe SF will pick up the slack. I do understand how Havana maynot be upset about being associated with "that type of place".

Only time will tell, but still a little sad.Excuse my ignorance, but what does SF refer to? I'd like to try and track down those Havana Honeys, LOL.

[Mongerer69]

You are joking. Right?


J,

You posted the exact date you will arrive at a specific hotel and also the number of days you plan to stay on an open mongering website for everyone to see? Geeeess louise you make it so easy for LE, government officials or anyone else to track you down, why not post your business card while you are at it my good friend. LOL. *insert eye-roll smiley here*

I am not saying bad things will happen if you post specific info like flight data, hotel booking info, arrival dates ect, but why take the chance? Alot of locals, government busy bodies, lurkers and the sort read this, and other sex oriented websites. You are leaving a trail of breadcrumbs right to your passport and in this digital age you can never be sure who is watching and reading. I'm not a paranoid individual, just informed. You never see senior members here post specific info, and most post only in general terms such as 'last week or the other day' for a reason.

Enjoy Makati.

[Stroker Ace88]

You are joking. Right?Not joking and it's just common sense.

[Joyra]

J,

You posted the exact date you will arrive at a specific hotel and also the number of days you plan to stay on an open mongering website for everyone to see? Geeeess louise you make it so easy for LE, government officials or anyone else to track you down, why not post your business card while you are at it my good friend. LOL. *insert eye-roll smiley here*

I am not saying bad things will happen if you post specific info like flight data, hotel booking info, arrival dates ect, but why take the chance? Alot of locals, government busy bodies, lurkers and the sort read this, and other sex oriented websites. You are leaving a trail of breadcrumbs right to your passport and in this digital age you can never be sure who is watching and reading. I'm not a paranoid individual, just informed. You never see senior members here post specific info, and most post only in general terms such as 'last week or the other day' for a reason.

Enjoy Makati.Hi Stroker,

Got your point.

Will take care in future.

Thanks.

Cheers!

[Joyra]

The New World hs become my hotel of choice whenever I'm in Makati, which is quite frequently. I prefer it to the InterCon both in terms of the facility itself and the location, which is about a 30 second walk from Greenbelt. I'd make the switch.

GEHi GE,

Thanks for the guidance.

Cheers!

[Sxxxx]

You are joking. Right?When you get a bit of experience you will learn to keep your cards close to your chest.

[LoveGod58]

Good report. I've been living here in Manila for 7 years and have tried all the "venues". The following are based on my opinions only.

Havana Cafe or the WG's that hang around the circle are expensive and I've heard too many reports of how they work in rings that try to scam the customers. More on that at a later time. Plus these girls are not checked, health-wise. I've known the owners of EDSA for almost 10 years (I even helped Mario put in part of the Cowboy facade in the Bullet's club. Well at least I gave him my creative opinion). They check these girls weekly. Not to say that will guarantee full safety, but better than no health check at all. Any of the girls at EDSA can produce a health card.

P. Burgos street is more downscale. Girls are similar to the ones at Manila Bay Cafe (Also did you know many of the girls that work at P. Burgos also work at MBC?). Remember, the more foreigners in the club the higher the price.

Have you ever tried the KTV's on Roxas Blvd or in Quezon City? That is where us "locals" go. Trick is: Tell them that you are based in the Philippines and should be treated as a local. That means (1) no cover charge (2) you can bring in your own bottles of booze with no corkage (3) local food menu (yes, there are two versions of the food menu and the foreigner menu is 30% higher (4) Locals get a 20. 25% discount on all food and drink. Barfining is more expensive (6k. 7k) but the girls are prettier. What most of us do is get a "short time" with the girl in the VIP room. You can pay between p2, 500. P3, 000 for 30 minutes with the girl in one of the private rooms in the club.

Finally there are the massage parlors on Pasay Road. That is where you can also go for an afternoon delight.

Finally, there is something called "dormitory" or some variation of that term. All cab drivers know this place. It is a brothel where you pick up a girl and take them to your hotel. At much lower prices that the venues listed above.

Anyway, those are some of the options you have here in this beautiful paradise!

=============


Edsa entertainment complex is a two story building on the other side of the road from Heritage hotel. Previously there was a neon sign saying EDSA Entertainment complex. Do not know if it is still there.

You go inside the building and there are many bars Kind of like Nana in BKK. Plenty of girls, mamasans, greeters etc. Girls look way better than what you find at MBC. Prices are 1600 Pesos barfine and you need to pay 2500-3000 LT to the girl separately. So it is not cheap.

You cannot miss this building although entrance is non-descript. Usually there are many taxis in front and some people in front all the time.

[Tally Wacker]

Good report. I've been living here in Manila for 7 years and have tried all the "venues". The following are based on my opinions only.

What most of us do is get a "short time" with the girl in the VIP room. You can pay between p2, 500. P3, 000 for 30 minutes with the girl in one of the private rooms in the club.

Finally there are the massage parlors on Pasay Road. That is where you can also go for an afternoon delight. =============LG, What all can you do with the girls in the VIP room? Is full sex available? Threesome?

Same question about the massgae parlors. Is full sex available or only a handjob.

Thanks.

[Red Kilt]

Good report. I've been living here in Manila for 7 years and have tried all the "venues". The following are based on my opinions only.

Havana Cafe or the WG's that hang around the circle are expensive and I've heard too many reports of how they work in rings that try to scam the customers. More on that at a later time. Plus these girls are not checked, health-wise. I've known the owners of EDSA for almost 10 years (I even helped Mario put in part of the Cowboy facade in the Bullet's club. Well at least I gave him my creative opinion). They check these girls weekly. Not to say that will guarantee full safety, but better than no health check at all. Any of the girls at EDSA can produce a health card.

P. Burgos street is more downscale. Girls are similar to the ones at Manila Bay Cafe (Also did you know many of the girls that work at P. Burgos also work at MBC?). Remember, the more foreigners in the club the higher the price.

Finally there are the massage parlors on Pasay Road. That is where you can also go for an afternoon delight.

=============I can't help thinking that there is a time warp here and that LoveGod's post is more relevant to around 12 months ago.

He seems to be posting about Manila from at least 6 months ago (except for the comment about Burgos which is just wrong)

It doesn't seem to jibe with my knowledge of Manila after living here for 15 years.

For starters, LG must have missed the fact that Cafe Havana is operating under new rules for the past 3 to 4 weeks. No working girls (health checks or not) are there any more.

I am gobsmacked that he can say that P Burgos is "more downscale and the girls are similar to the ones at Manila Bay Cafe". I just cannot give any credibility to that comment at all. P Burgos is way above quality anywhere else, but it is the prices that are ridculous.

I am wondering what MPs he means on Pasay Road. The 2 that I know of (including Phoenix) have both been closed down just before Christmas.

I am not attacking you LG. I just wonder what lenses you are using to make such definitive statements that I just cannot follow. More information would help.

Re the "local prices" in the bars. I get "local resident rate" in all hotels in the PI (by showing my driver's licence) , but I sure as hell don't get it in local bars. Are you a pinoy or do you travel with pinoys? I am a foreigner and I am afraid once a foreigner always a foreigner when it comes to pricing.

Can you explain this in more detail please?

[Sammon]

Good report. I've been living here in Manila for 7 years and have tried all the "venues". The following are based on my opinions only.

Havana Cafe or the WG's that hang around the circle are expensive and I've heard too many reports of how they work in rings that try to scam the customers. More on that at a later time. Plus these girls are not checked, health-wise. I've known the owners of EDSA for almost 10 years (I even helped Mario put in part of the Cowboy facade in the Bullet's club. Well at least I gave him my creative opinion). They check these girls weekly. Not to say that will guarantee full safety, but better than no health check at all. Any of the girls at EDSA can produce a health card.

P. Burgos street is more downscale. Girls are similar to the ones at Manila Bay Cafe (Also did you know many of the girls that work at P. Burgos also work at MBC?). Remember, the more foreigners in the club the higher the price.

Have you ever tried the KTV's on Roxas Blvd or in Quezon City? That is where us "locals" go. Trick is: Tell them that you are based in the Philippines and should be treated as a local. That means (1) no cover charge (2) you can bring in your own bottles of booze with no corkage (3) local food menu (yes, there are two versions of the food menu and the foreigner menu is 30% higher (4) Locals get a 20. 25% discount on all food and drink. Barfining is more expensive (6k. 7k) but the girls are prettier. What most of us do is get a "short time" with the girl in the VIP room. You can pay between p2, 500. P3, 000 for 30 minutes with the girl in one of the private rooms in the club.

Finally there are the massage parlors on Pasay Road. That is where you can also go for an afternoon delight.

Finally, there is something called "dormitory" or some variation of that term. All cab drivers know this place. It is a brothel where you pick up a girl and take them to your hotel. At much lower prices that the venues listed above.

Anyway, those are some of the options you have here in this beautiful paradise!

=============Anywhere in Manila is a rip off. Ofcourse nobody will get " Local " prices irrespective of what you say. I had a good local friend who said when he goes with even one foreigner he gets ripped off. When he goes only with his local friends they get it cheap. I think the owners decided that word should not get around that they are giving local prices to any foreigner coming in.

All girls working in bars are prostitutes. If they did not make enough money will not stoop to going to MBC to make money however beautifull she is? Some EDSA girls told me sometimes on weekends they go to MBC ostencibly to dance and have a good time but I believe will not turn down a good offer.

" Dormitory " is generally a myth for foreigners. I have gone with some touts to see. Girls are generally young, not very good looking and look dirty. There is a reason why they are not working at upscale bars.

Down del pilar there are some small stores selling small things. They have girls there too you an take. Just need to chat up the lady. I was offered but did not like the quality. I stopped there to buy some mangoes and the lady asked me if I had a Gf. When I said no she showed me some girls I can take. Couple was doable but was afraid of scams.

[Mc Don]

Good report. I've been living here in Manila for 7 years and have tried all the "venues". The following are based on my opinions only.

Havana Cafe or the WG's that hang around the circle are expensive and I've heard too many reports of how they work in rings that try to scam the customers. More on that at a later time. Plus these girls are not checked, health-wise. I've known the owners of EDSA for almost 10 years (I even helped Mario put in part of the Cowboy facade in the Bullet's club. Well at least I gave him my creative opinion). They check these girls weekly. Not to say that will guarantee full safety, but better than no health check at all. Any of the girls at EDSA can produce a health card.

P. Burgos street is more downscale. Girls are similar to the ones at Manila Bay Cafe (Also did you know many of the girls that work at P. Burgos also work at MBC?). Remember, the more foreigners in the club the higher the price.

Have you ever tried the KTV's on Roxas Blvd or in Quezon City? That is where us "locals" go. Trick is: Tell them that you are based in the Philippines and should be treated as a local. That means (1) no cover charge (2) you can bring in your own bottles of booze with no corkage (3) local food menu (yes, there are two versions of the food menu and the foreigner menu is 30% higher (4) Locals get a 20. 25% discount on all food and drink. Barfining is more expensive (6k. 7k) but the girls are prettier. What most of us do is get a "short time" with the girl in the VIP room. You can pay between p2, 500. P3, 000 for 30 minutes with the girl in one of the private rooms in the club.

Finally there are the massage parlors on Pasay Road. That is where you can also go for an afternoon delight.

Finally, there is something called "dormitory" or some variation of that term. All cab drivers know this place. It is a brothel where you pick up a girl and take them to your hotel. At much lower prices that the venues listed above.

Anyway, those are some of the options you have here in this beautiful paradise!

=============LOL. Burgos girls are FAR more pretty then EDSA and I am yet to find one Burgos girl that at 4am when her shift finishes would bother with MBC. On the other hand almost all EDSA girls trickle in MBC and few other bars after their shift ends at 3am. After all its only 5 min from EDSA as oppose to the 30-40 min from Burgos plus 100 peso for cab. It just doesn't make sense.

I agree with Sammon, lots of crap in this post.

[LoveGod58]

Didn't mean to get everyone all riled up. I thought I prefaced my post with "the following is based on my opinion only".

Anyway, other than Cafe Havana (true I haven't been there for 2 months (been traveling) , but everything else I have posted is what I experience.

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? So if you think the P. Burgos gals are way prettier than let's say Classmates or Pegasus or even Asian Entertainment, that is ok by me.

And I am Filipino American. Grew up in the USA but now maintain permanent residence here in Manila. I hang out with both local and Expats alike.

If you want, we can go to my favorite place, have a drink and talk about this sometime. Just PM me.

Cheers!

========================


I can't help thinking that there is a time warp here and that LoveGod's post is more relevant to around 12 months ago.

He seems to be posting about Manila from at least 6 months ago (except for the comment about Burgos which is just wrong)

It doesn't seem to jibe with my knowledge of Manila after living here for 15 years.

For starters, LG must have missed the fact that Cafe Havana is operating under new rules for the past 3 to 4 weeks. No working girls (health checks or not) are there any more.

I am gobsmacked that he can say that P Burgos is "more downscale and the girls are similar to the ones at Manila Bay Cafe". I just cannot give any credibility to that comment at all. P Burgos is way above quality anywhere else, but it is the prices that are ridculous.

I am wondering what MPs he means on Pasay Road. The 2 that I know of (including Phoenix) have both been closed down just before Christmas.

I am not attacking you LG. I just wonder what lenses you are using to make such definitive statements that I just cannot follow. More information would help.

Re the "local prices" in the bars. I get "local resident rate" in all hotels in the PI (by showing my driver's licence) , but I sure as hell don't get it in local bars. Are you a pinoy or do you travel with pinoys? I am a foreigner and I am afraid once a foreigner always a foreigner when it comes to pricing.

Can you explain this in more detail please?

[Firebird]

Gentlemen. I saw the report that EDSA is across from the HERITAGe hotel where exactly is MBC? Are there any lanmarks nearby? Like a hotel? I am familiar with Burgos. Now would like to partake of new talent.

I searched the forum and cannot find good report on location of MBC.

To the experts. Quality ranking EDSA is above MBC or the other way around?

Thanks for feed

[Member #4152]

Gentlemen. I saw the report that EDSA is across from the HERITAGe hotel where exactly is MBC? Are there any lanmarks nearby? Like a hotel? I am familiar with Burgos. Now would like to partake of new talent.

I searched the forum and cannot find good report on location of MBC.

To the experts. Quality ranking EDSA is above MBC or the other way around?

Thanks for feedIt's near Diamond Hotel, Robinson Mall and the US embassy. I think the area is called Ermita?

[Snow Koala]

It's near Diamond Hotel, Robinson Mall and the US embassy. I think the area is called Ermita?Search for "La Cafe near Malate, Manila, Metro Manila, Philippines" on Google Maps and you will find it.

Snow

[WestCoast1]

Gentlemen. I saw the report that EDSA is across from the HERITAGe hotel where exactly is MBC? Are there any lanmarks nearby? Like a hotel? I am familiar with Burgos. Now would like to partake of new talent.

I searched the forum and cannot find good report on location of MBC.

To the experts. Quality ranking EDSA is above MBC or the other way around?

Thanks for feedIts on the corner of del Pilar and Salas. Just one block of east of Roxas Ave (the main drag along the Manila Bay). Coming out of the front door of MBC, turn left, walk one block (north) along del Pilar, and at the corner of del Pilar and Sta Monica, across the street (east) , is Amazonia bar (girls). Keep walking another long block to Padre Faura St, turn right, walk 1. 5 blocks and on your right is G-Point Cafe (girls).

I'll draw you a map.

[Mc Don]

And beauty is in the eye of the beholder, right? So if you think the P. Burgos gals are way prettier than let's say Classmates or Pegasus or even Asian Entertainment, that is ok by me.

And I am Filipino American. Grew up in the USA but now maintain permanent residence here in Manila. I hang out with both local and Expats alike.Your posts makes more sense now. Like RK suggested putting MBC and Burgos in the same basket is really not right price wise or quality wise. I think again you are doing the same thing but on the other side of the spectrum now, what you pay in Classmates or Pegasus for ST is what you would pay in some Burgos bars for LT. Same goes with Entertainment Asia once you account for all the silly tips and charges that you have to pay to everyone there.

I find also preferences are very different between the locals and the tourists. You may prefer ST because you have other things to do that evening or a wife / gf to go back to but many of us prefer long time which makes Classmates or Pegasus not really an option. To me just the tough of being stuck in traffic from Makati to QC turns me off but even at times when I am in QC again I find that ST is really not what I crave. This is personal preference.

I am sure because of your background you are treated different to us that have non Filipino blood. One of my good Filipino mates in Aus few times while being in Manila together has pointed me in the right direction and show me places that I would have never know that they existed but at the end of the day he prefers for each of us to monger alone due to price difference and similar to you his preference for ST. He is after all staying with his family that he hasn't seen and uses me as an excuse to get out and "show me the sites" for few hours. I prefer that too to be honest. I have heard plenty of stories in AC where mixed police patrols have been involved in busts and in many bars once they see a Filipino and expat together the mood quickly changes.

Good to have you on this board perhaps you can share some intel on places that haven't been mentioned here. I am sure we would all love to know where the local crowd goes to get their thrills and what prices you pay.

[Red Kilt]

. So if you think the P. Burgos gals are way prettier than let's say Classmates or Pegasus or even Asian Entertainment, that is ok by me.

========================That's not what you said LG.

You said ". P. Burgos street is more downscale. Girls are similar to the ones at Manila Bay Cafe (Also did you know many of the girls that work at P. Burgos also work at MBC?). ."

I took issue with your silly comment that P Burgos girls are similar to those at MBC, and that is simply utter crap no matter what eye glasses you use

Now you are confusing the issue (or sidelining it) by throwing in Pegasus and Classmates etc. I agree they are creme de la creme but that is not what made me make my comment. It was your comparison of P Burgos girls with MBC girls.

[Ozztraleearr]

Currently fortunate enough to be staying in Makati for work. I would like to add a brief report on a small bar, quite possibly well known to some of you, named Cat House.

Located just off the top end of Burgos street, in a small street between Ringside Bar and Star light (I believe that is the name).

Pool table is good, food is crap. Happy hour between 5 and 8 pm. Ladies drinks at that time run at 195 pesos.

There are a reasonable amount of "waitresses there" wearing different costumes on different evenings. Mixed bag in terms of talent, but I don't believe they could be called ugly.

The girls are friendly and touchy feely.

Handjobs and CBJ allegedly available at the back of the bar. Quoted 1000 pesos for this service. If you partake, you may need to also pay a "cover girl" girl or two around 300 pesos each.

I have arranged after work liaisons. No names mentioned. 3000 pesos will be quoted. I have also had a couple of the girls come to my apartment midday for 2000 pesos each.

Anyway gentlemen, if this sounds to your liking, I hope that you enjoy.

[Red Kilt]

Currently fortunate enough to be staying in Makati for work. I would like to add a brief report on a small bar, quite possibly well known to some of you, named Cat House.

. SNIP.

Anyway gentlemen, if this sounds to your liking, I hope that you enjoy.Great update Ozzzz.

These are the sort of reports that make ISG a fount of information.

I have never taken any notice of Cathouse before. It rarely gets a mention here.

Thanks for the heads-up.

[Sammon]

Its on the corner of del Pilar and Salas. Just one block of east of Roxas Ave (the main drag along the Manila Bay). Coming out of the front door of MBC, turn left, walk one block (north) along del Pilar, and at the corner of del Pilar and Sta Monica, across the street (east) , is Amazonia bar (girls). Keep walking another long block to Padre Faura St, turn right, walk 1. 5 blocks and on your right is G-Point Cafe (girls).

I'll draw you a map.To Add, MBC is on two levels. Lower level has most of the girls. There is a charge to go upstairs. Some good looking girls go upstairs as soon as they enter but will circulate if not picked. At nights there is a band playing upstairs.

Amazonia bar. Few girls only. May find a decent one. They have ST rooms upstairs also. No security, so be carefull girl does not steal from you. One girl tried to go into my pockets. I was watching from the bathroom and put a stop to it.

G-Point- few girls. Smaller bar.

[Stroker Ace88]

Gentlemen. I saw the report that EDSA is across from the HERITAGe hotel where exactly is MBC? Are there any lanmarks nearby? Like a hotel? I am familiar with Burgos. Now would like to partake of new talent.

I searched the forum and cannot find good report on location of MBC.

To the experts. Quality ranking EDSA is above MBC or the other way around?

Thanks for feedFirebird,

If you are not familiar with Malate the best way to find Manila Bay Cafe is to get in a taxi and tell the driver "Hyatt Hotel Malate". When the taxi arrives at the hotel get out and ask the security doorman "where is Manila Bay Cafe" and he will point you in the right direction. MBC is located two blocks from the Hyatt and use caution while walking.

Enjoy.

[Cool Traveler]

I hate to see Havana's go by the wayside. It was a rare exception that I did not find a keeper there. In fact I seem to keep them for sometime afterwards. Someone must think they are good, because two really good ones told me over the last six months that they can't see me anymore in Manila because they are afraid their "boyfriends" will find out. Or maybe they were trying not to hurt my feelings. Both occasions the last session was memorable.

I will be interested to see where "those girls" wind up, most of the ones I met were not the MBC type. Maybe SF will pick up the slack. I do understand how Havana maynot be upset about being associated with "that type of place".

Only time will tell, but still a little sad.It was my favorite place to hangout in Manila. I would deisgn my whole trip so I can be there on a certain day, and arrive at a certain time. I met one of the girls I am still friends with. I asked here on my recent trip (3 weeks ago) , and she tells me the girls have started sitting at the adjacent bar Brento. Also, some sit at the coffee places, or just hang around the area. I think it will dissapear pretty soon. The only lefts will be those ladyboys!

CT

[Key Master]

Firebird,

If you are not familiar with Malate the best way to find Manila Bay Cafe is to get in a taxi and tell the driver "Hyatt Hotel Malate". When the taxi arrives at the hotel get out and ask the security doorman "where is Manila Bay Cafe" and he will point you in the right direction. MBC is located two blocks from the Hyatt and use caution while walking.I think it's easier to ask a taxi driver "Malate?" and if he says yes, tell him LA Cafe and let him take you there. If there is a driver who doesn't know LA Cafe, then get another driver, but I've never had that experience. I don't think Manila Bay Cafe has sunk in yet, but guess eventually it will.

[Sxxxx]

I think it's easier to ask a taxi driver "Malate?" and if he says yes, tell him LA Cafe and let him take you there. If there is a driver who doesn't know LA Cafe, then get another driver, but I've never had that experience. I don't think Manila Bay Cafe has sunk in yet, but guess eventually it will.Why not "Ermita", thats where its located.

[Firebird]

Gentlemen:

Many thanks to all those that provided location information concerning MBC.

Now final question. And I want to mention that I always provide "extra" if the service is deserving. But not to upset the "economy" and overpay, what is the norm for ST and LT?

LT about Php 3, 000 to 4, 000. Too high? Too low?

Thanks. Firebird

[Slippery]

Gentlemen:

Many thanks to all those that provided location information concerning MBC.

Now final question. And I want to mention that I always provide "extra" if the service is deserving. But not to upset the "economy" and overpay, what is the norm for ST and LT?

LT about Php 3, 000 to 4, 000. Too high? Too low?

Thanks. FirebirdAt MBC way too high. RTFF. And BTW MBC is nowhere near Makati It would behoove you to do some simple research on this website as it is clear that you are financially and geographically lost.

[Psychman]

Gentlemen:

Many thanks to all those that provided location information concerning MBC.

Now final question. And I want to mention that I always provide "extra" if the service is deserving. But not to upset the "economy" and overpay, what is the norm for ST and LT?

LT about Php 3, 000 to 4, 000. Too high? Too low?

Thanks. FirebirdSorry you had to get such an unfriendly response-especially since you have over 400 posts, perhaps a simple answer would have been nice. Also seems you did do some reading- how horrid you missed some information. How nice if guys would just answer a simple question and / or STFU.

As was implied, MBC is fairly far in Emrita, a long cab ride. ST should be about 1000-1500, depending on the quality of the women and your negotiating skills, and whether or not she is hard core or not. Long time 1500-2000. Some people claim they get for less there, but for what quality, I am not sure. Best at MBC to do some good negotiation and interviewing, and spend some with the your possible "dance" partner, as there are a lot of sharks there. As you mentioned, tips can be used as performance incentives.

Have a great time.

[Firebird]

At MBC way too high. RTFF. And BTW MBC is nowhere near Makati It would behoove you to do some simple research on this website as it is clear that you are financially and geographically lost.Slippery many thanks for your profound although immature reply. Before I do ANY travel. To China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Russia, Mexico, Japan, Singapore, Dubai, Germany, UK. To name only a few. I DO RTFF. As you so nicely sugested. But sometimes the info is not there or is may be incomplete. As far as $$$$ far from financially lost! If you cannot provide positive assistance and come out with some helpful, well you figure it out.

[Firebird]

Sorry you had to get such an unfriendly response-especially since you have over 400 posts, perhaps a simple answer would have been nice. Also seems you did do some reading- how horrid you missed some information. How nice if guys would just answer a simple question and / or STFU.

As was implied, MBC is fairly far in Emrita, a long cab ride. ST should be about 1000-1500, depending on the quality of the women and your negotiating skills, and whether or not she is hard core or not. Long time 1500-2000. Some people claim they get for less there, but for what quality, I am not sure. Best at MBC to do some good negotiation and interviewing, and spend some with the your possible "dance" partner, as there are a lot of sharks there. As you mentioned, tips can be used as performance incentives.

Have a great time.Psychman. Many thanks for your feedback. I am fully familiar with Havana and the bars in Burgos. Just wanted to double check to make sure the payment was fair. I always stay in the New World hotel so perhaps a venture to EDSA would be something new and closer than MBC. Stay safe and you too enjoy

[Key Master]

Why not "Ermita", thats where its located.Do the taxi driver's actually know the difference between Malate and Ermita? If you're staying at the Hyatt or Executive it's Malate. You walk two blocks or less and you're in Ermita, does it really matter? Would you know you are in a different district? The street names remain the same. The point to the post was to get to MBC and I gave my way of getting there with taxi drivers. None of them have corrected me that it was actually in Ermita or take me to the wrong place.

[Sxxxx]

Do the taxi driver's actually know the difference between Malate and Ermita? If you're staying at the Hyatt or Executive it's Malate. You walk two blocks or less and you're in Ermita, does it really matter? Would you know you are in a different district? The street names remain the same. The point to the post was to get to MBC and I gave my way of getting there with taxi drivers. None of them have corrected me that it was actually in Ermita or take me to the wrong place.Why walk two blocks, infested by street scammers? Just tell taxi driver : MBC La Cafe, M. H. Del Pilar St, Ermita, corner Romero Salas St. Taxi stops, open door, two steps and your inside MBC.

Safe and convenient.

[Slippery]

Slippery many thanks for your profound although immature reply. Before I do ANY travel. To China, Hong Kong, Thailand, Russia, Mexico, Japan, Singapore, Dubai, Germany, UK. To name only a few. I DO RTFF. As you so nicely sugested. But sometimes the info is not there or is may be incomplete. As far as $$$$ far from financially lost! If you cannot provide positive assistance and come out with some helpful, well you figure it out.Geez, are we a bit thin skinned? The answers to your very fundamental questions are right here on this forum. There are even maps available here and on general travel websites. The owner of this website permits the use of the acronym RTFF for a reason. Think about it. This forum is replete with answers to your quesitons. Who held your hand in those other countries?

[LoveGod58]

Thanks Mc Don, you seem like a very agreeable fellow. Thanks for your insights. I'll keep posting as I travel around our earthly marble (Athens in May) , but given how passionate our fellow mongers feel about their choices, I think it would be prudent for me to just go out and experience our wonderful tropical paradise and keep my opinions to myself for a while.

Cheers!


Your posts makes more sense now. Like RK suggested putting MBC and Burgos in the same basket is really not right price wise or quality wise. I think again you are doing the same thing but on the other side of the spectrum now, what you pay in Classmates or Pegasus for ST is what you would pay in some Burgos bars for LT. Same goes with Entertainment Asia once you account for all the silly tips and charges that you have to pay to everyone there.

I find also preferences are very different between the locals and the tourists. You may prefer ST because you have other things to do that evening or a wife / gf to go back to but many of us prefer long time which makes Classmates or Pegasus not really an option. To me just the tough of being stuck in traffic from Makati to QC turns me off but even at times when I am in QC again I find that ST is really not what I crave. This is personal preference.

I am sure because of your background you are treated different to us that have non Filipino blood. One of my good Filipino mates in Aus few times while being in Manila together has pointed me in the right direction and show me places that I would have never know that they existed but at the end of the day he prefers for each of us to monger alone due to price difference and similar to you his preference for ST. He is after all staying with his family that he hasn't seen and uses me as an excuse to get out and "show me the sites" for few hours. I prefer that too to be honest. I have heard plenty of stories in AC where mixed police patrols have been involved in busts and in many bars once they see a Filipino and expat together the mood quickly changes.

Good to have you on this board perhaps you can share some intel on places that haven't been mentioned here. I am sure we would all love to know where the local crowd goes to get their thrills and what prices you pay.

[Firebird]

Geez, are we a bit thin skinned? The answers to your very fundamental questions are right here on this forum. There are even maps available here and on general travel websites. The owner of this website permits the use of the acronym RTFF for a reason. Think about it. This forum is replete with answers to your quesitons. Who held your hand in those other countries?Slippery. I have been mongering for over 20 years. No need for "hand holding". But other than no need for further reply. I wish you well.

[Docwiltro]

The mamasan told me that the bar fine is 2000P if the customer has already bought the gal a couple of drinks, but higher if he wants to bar fine a girl without first popping for a drink or two.

Manta RayThat is because most of the old Flamingo crew is now at Bandido including Mommie Emmie. I wouldn't be now surprised if Bandido became the #1 bar on P. Burgos as was the Flamingo for many years. In fact, one of my Makati regulars, who was a Flamingo girl for 3 years, is considering going back to work, this time at Bandido. The Flamingo was the best bar I ever frequented in my 10+ years coming to the Phils.

[GosiwonBusan]

I wanted to go to the ringside bar, but had some time on my hands so went next door to High Heels and met Chelsea. Young hot no babies so we went for ST before ringside. They said it was 4000 but I knew that was too high. I said ok at 3000 (maybe high, but she is small and young). Anyway after sex she said that she didn't get any of te bar fine and would I give her 2000. I said no. I have her 500. Just wanted to check that this was bull and try we're just trying to get more money.

To be fair I saw nothing else noteworthy on Bugeos (9pm)

[Mc Don]

I wanted to go to the ringside bar, but had some time on my hands so went next door to High Heels and met Chelsea. Young hot no babies so we went for ST before ringside. They said it was 4000 but I knew that was too high. I said ok at 3000 (maybe high, but she is small and young). Anyway after sex she said that she didn't get any of te bar fine and would I give her 2000. I said no. I have her 500. Just wanted to check that this was bull and try we're just trying to get more money.

To be fair I saw nothing else noteworthy on Bugeos (9pm) I don't know what the split is but 2000p for long time on burgos for a tip is sort of normal. You probably shortchanged her.