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Wow, you're in the Candy shop and you have a sugar allergy.
Lots of good info already - 120 minutes, that's hard. I still miss Emily in Cebu who walked into my room with wet jeans and took them off right there at the doorway. Sometimes the stars align!
Craiglist is a thought. The gals I contacted charge an arm and a leg, but they seem well organized. DIA, and other "love" chat forums allow you to sort by location. Get contact info and then tactfully make an offer. Lots of regular gals there, so try not to shock some poor "conservative" woman.
If you feel uncomfortable about Makati Burgos (your neighborhood), you're not too far from EDSA Entertainment plaza. I think there is a short time hotel near there. As for regular hotels, I won't recommend Copacabana (across the street) simply because of their terribly squeaky beds. Microtel is right there at MOA. I assume you have the budget for that. LOL.
You need more time sir. How about a lad's night out with the boys? The old ball and chain won't give you one night out with the lads? Have fun. X Man.
I have been relocated from a European country to live and work in Makati. I have been reading the posts in this thread as regards to mongering and most of the options involve going to clubs, bars or having lots of free time to get girls from DIA and similar. The most free time I can get is about 120 minutes, and I cannot plan when I will have the free time. Is there any place in Makati, where you can pick up a girl and go do the deed. ? What do the locals do? Those who live in or around Makati, where do they go. ?
My family is with me and also because of my colleges at my company, I have to be discreet and quick. Post your answers here or you can message me.
Thank you.
Member #4387
07-05-15, 15:47
Finder99;.
This seems to chained to me. If you are not wipped by your woman then man up and lie your ass off to her. Not much worse than commit into cheatin her. Since you work here then your best bet will be to lie about work overtime or lie about "you have partake into meetings in other cities"(here you can take a few days off from spouse and eat from all the candy around), etc etc.
Since it seems you hardly know your own bearings yet and from all I know are relocated here for quite some time, get your feet on the ground, view the lay of the land and come back here then. 120 min will get you nothing ex a few lucky shots here and there but most likely more miss than hits. You need more time.
On my last trip, as in an experiment, I manage to contact a girl through DIA, she had to travel and arrive my place, all in 45 min. Then we could start play. No surprice she lived very close by and was available (this was daytime). Does not happen to often but in your 120 min world you need pure luck. That beeing said good luck and I must say I am happy I am not you.
Dangerous advice if it is to hook up with the help in the same condo where one's family lives. I'm single and I'd never hook up with a maid who works in my condo. She can come knocking anytime she wishes. There she is, crouched in a ball wailing in front of you door. Lovely. If you have a lot of visitors it's inevitable you'll bump into one the maids in the elevator or lobby.I have to agree. That was a fairly idiotic suggestion. Sorry! I have played away in my condo on only one occasion, that could easily have come to grief were I not relocating to another condo anyway and even then my partner in crime was another resident, a lady of a certain age, separated with a 19 year-old daughter, not one of the paid helps (who often come from out in the sticks and are well-versed in Waray Waray. Big trouble ahead if crossed). I must say, she was most attentive to my needs, maybe in case she thought my eye were on the daughter. They weren't. I like the.
More mature women here. There is way less monkeying about and dramas. I'm a former law enforcer, and I had to tell her I'd left my cuffs back in the office when I retired LOL. Seriously though, I do think this poster is totally unrealistic in his expectations, and will need more time.
Wow, you're in the Candy shop and you have a sugar allergy.
Lots of good info already - 120 minutes, that's hard. I still miss Emily in Cebu who walked into my room with wet jeans and took them off right there at the doorway. Sometimes the stars align!
Craiglist is a thought. The gals I contacted charge an arm and a leg, but they seem well organized. DIA, and other "love" chat forums allow you to sort by location. Get contact info and then tactfully make an offer. Lots of regular gals there, so try not to shock some poor "conservative" woman.
If you feel uncomfortable about Makati Burgos (your neighborhood), you're not too far from EDSA Entertainment plaza. I think there is a short time hotel near there. As for regular hotels, I won't recommend Copacabana (across the street) simply because of their terribly squeaky beds. Microtel is right there at MOA. I assume you have the budget for that. LOL.
You need more time sir. How about a lad's night out with the boys? The old ball and chain won't give you one night out with the lads? Have fun. X Man.Good advice. EDSA Entertainment Complex at Firehouse, with several bars (taxi drivers all know it) is IMHO far and away the best knocking destination in the whole city Makati / Manila combined. Guaranteed to please. I like Pit Stop in there. Uncomplicated women, good looking and up for it. But it will easily take the best part of an hour to get there from Makati each way. There is a SOGO on the other side of the road, and it will save you time if you arrange your room there before going over the road. That way you don't have to wait downstairs for a room to be allocated (can be another 30 minutes! And can take your choice straight back in and up in the lift - 5-10 minutes walk from Firehouse over the footbridge. Also all SOGO fiends: sweet-talk the manager or manageress. They have discretionary discount cards to give out. These save you 10% on each and every future stay, foods and drinks.
I have been relocated from a European country to live and work in Makati. I have been reading the posts in this thread as regards to mongering and most of the options involve going to clubs, bars or having lots of free time to get girls from DIA and similar. The most free time I can get is about 120 minutes, and I cannot plan when I will have the free time. Is there any place in Makati, where you can pick up a girl and go do the deed. ? What do the locals do? Those who live in or around Makati, where do they go. ?
My family is with me and also because of my colleges at my company, I have to be discreet and quick. Post your answers here or you can message me.
Thank you.You will see from many of the other posts that your 'operating parameters' ain't going to help you much. One afterthought. If you'll be working for one of the big companies here, then many of them have team-building away days and long weekends to incentive the local staff. If you have good accommodation on hand, if they're in Batangas, Puerto Galera, even Boracay, that will give you the time you need and of course an acceptable reason for her indoors.
Cool Traveler
07-05-15, 21:46
Thanks Skog. You are a funny guy. My office booked me into Intercon. Again. I will be there Tuesday night, just for one day before I head out to China. I will take a pic. And post it.
Yes, I did put stickers on the thing that I thought was a camera. I did them to 3 rooms. They were all in the same location. In any case, I just wanted to give a heads up. Albeit, paranoia maybe setting into my aging mind, like cobwebs in an abandoned mind palace. Hahaha. Who knows. Or all the sex, and being a coitus addict like Skogs doesn't help. I read somewhere, too much sex erodes your short term memory. Maybe add incremental paranoia to that.
Tuesday night, I am hitting up Havana, instead of calling up some FC women. Have not done that for a while. Will post a report.
Ciao Bella.
CT
We hereby appoint u to be our paranoid friend. Freebiefan have a sane mind and a practical approach to this matter you can read up on. So have I. Like FF I have stayed numerous times in high changed hotels globaly. I have friends beeing managers and in a general view guest privacy is of major concern to these hotels. One case of a hotel CCTVing its guests would make them go out of biz or atleast they will find themself in a major trouble. Ofcourse if warranted by a court decission the hotel is not in charge of the surveilance and officials would be the one viewing it (whoever that might be).
Just to make sure I snapped a few photos of some cam devices in my room incl a two way mirror. So far as I fuck multiple times a day in here I guess the viewers must have enjoyed (this is all in good humor Cool Traveler and no mocking). I will ask for a dvd copy when i leave..
Engine Driver
07-05-15, 23:20
My family is with me and also because of my colleges at my company, I have to be discreet and quick. Post your answers here or you can message me.
Thank you.Good luck man. Your life just got a whole lot more complicated. Once you get addicted to Pinay pussy, there is no turning back. I guess interviewing 50 prospects by webcam on dating sites is out of the question with your wife hovering in the living room! LOL.
Speaking from personal experience, you need to be meticulous with your organisation, planning and forensic cleaning. It's the little things that can give your game away. Rinse your mouth with Listerine before going home. Wives can smell fresh tuna on your breath a mile away. Throw away your hotel receipts, pay by cash only and don't take any photos of your conquests. Also, delete your browsing history on your computer. Even if you have drilled 5 Pinays that week, make sure you also bang your wife at least once, regardless of how unpalatable that might be. If you avoid her, she is going to know.
FreebieFan
07-06-15, 01:39
I have been relocated from a European country to live and work in Makati. I have been reading the posts in this thread as regards to mongering and most of the options involve going to clubs, bars or having lots of free time to get girls from DIA and similar. The most free time I can get is about 120 minutes, and I cannot plan when I will have the free time. Is there any place in Makati, where you can pick up a girl and go do the deed. ? What do the locals do? Those who live in or around Makati, where do they go. ?
My family is with me and also because of my colleges at my company, I have to be discreet and quick. Post your answers here or you can message me.
Thank you.When I lived there I had some sort of similar restriction. And found out that getting blow jobs in car park of Enterprise Centre was quite possible especially as the girl I would meet worked there. Same with another car park next to the old Mandarin hotel. And a few others. There are plenty of ]in Makati and all know what you want. Its up to you to figure out how and where and when. There were blows and hjs in afternoons in a few quiet cinemas (not Greenbelt always too crowded) and lots of trips to Sogo on Wood street. But you have to know the back way to get there fast and its not thru Edsa.).
Theres a few hotel on Pasay road that saw me as a very loyal afternoon guest and same for Eurotel. In short, look on it as a happy challenge and become a logistics expert. Expect the girl to be late and if on ocassion that means you only have 10 minutes in a hotel and you have to leave the hotel doing up the button and zipper in a hurry, well it all adds to the excitement. Then, there are also a few hotels that have massages that can happily lead to other arrangements. My arrangement was in Dusit, before it went upmarket.
Thanks Everyone for all your comments. Looks like I am going to have to do some homework and look for possible options in the malls, coffee shops etc and engage them cautiously and see where it leads to. I even got already a dedicated phone for mongering purposes, now I need to put it to use.
Really surprised how quickly everyone wrote off the notion of cameras in hotel rooms. Surely it's possible. Five star hotel or not, this is a 3rd world country.
CallSign Papa
07-09-15, 05:58
Really surprised how quickly everyone wrote off the notion of cameras in hotel rooms. Surely it's possible. Five star hotel or not, this is a 3rd world country.It's possible that an unscrupulous employee may have wired up some kind of device, but that aside, there's no way any hotel would risk the legal liability of illicit surveillance on its guests. Aside from the PR backlash and negative publicity it would cause, you would see the hotel empty of guests overnight and, in all likelihood, soon go out of business.
WestCoast1
07-09-15, 06:37
It's possible that an unscrupulous employee may have wired up some kind of device, but that aside, there's no way any hotel would risk the legal liability of illicit surveillance on its guests. Aside from the PR backlash and negative publicity it would cause, you would see the hotel empty of guests overnight and, in all likelihood, soon go out of business.The negative publicity would cause everyone to stay away from the entire chain, and possibly to the chain's affiliates.
Hi guys. I only have 7 or 8 hour layover in manila.
What would be my best option for some action. Makati and pick up someone or.
Find a freelancer from a site and just meet up to save on time?
Also is craigslist mainly where freelancers advertise? I got a few independants respond to me.
They quoted 3 to 4 k pesos. Are there any other popular sites?
Never hooked up with a freelancer in manila before. I'm assuming 4 k is overpaying but it depends.
On how long they stay. Do they typically sleep over with multiple pops?
Sorry for all the noob questions. I don't go to manila often thanks.
Blanquiceleste
07-09-15, 13:02
Hi guys. I only have 7 or 8 hour layover in manila.
What would be my best option for some action. Makati and pick up someone or..Safest bet is LA Cafe (aka Manila Bay Cafe). 3 K PHP normally tides over the full night, so you could negotiate your price. The place is open 24 hours but the quantity and quality of talent may vary depending on the time of day. But you will almost certainly get a hit.
Member #4387
07-09-15, 20:14
Managed to sneak in two Makati spins in June (the second one ended a tad into July). One 7 days stay and one 9 days stay. I Ran a heavy scheduel but what can a man do when the girls are crowding up through my various sources (providers, fake FB, regulars, malls etc). I am the curious kind and want to meet as many pussies before I go six feet under. I have a huge desire for pussies and I remember briefly a few months ago I stated I would loosen my sched a bit and maybe meet only 1 or 2 girls a day when staying in pussyland. Well that "promise" are thrown off the boat and the last two trips have been an all time high (pussy) busywice.
I can hardly remember everyone and my "log book"(where I have tried to keep track and written some comments of the girl from a day to day basis) I have lost somewhere. If I say I clocked in 40-50 girls in my two mentioned June runs that would not be to far from the truth, give and take a few. My busiest day was 6 dates in a day and a hell logisticwice as girls kept coming and going every 2 hrs. I hereby thanks all the girls for sticking to agreed meetingtimes and even if some close calls I think non of them bumped into eachother (atleast I wouldn't know, more on that later). Beeing this busy I still managed to keep relatively on track and provided myself and the girls with sufficiant drinks and foods supplies throughout the day. I ended shitfaced towards the overnightgirl arrival but I guess that is the price to pay start drinking in the morning and all through the day and night. Sessions tends to sober me up though and are great for excersise as well.
Since I lately have experienced that girls even arrive early (in precom I stress to the girls the importance of beeing on time and that a latecomming can result in a no go) I have stopped walking girls down, through lobby and out. They have to do all that hard work themself. My benefits from this ex the obvious risk of bumping into new arrivals while hand in hand with the departuring one (s) are that from the time they leave until security calls I do have time to check my belongings (I tend to spread them all over in a non system way and are less than cautious with my valuables ex passport and a few CC's). This system tends to work great so I stick to this "rule" from now. Any spare time had this day I ventured through the mall browsing for some cuties to cort some days later.
DIA experiment worked out great and from precom until she stood in my room I clocked her in at 45 min. This is not bad beeing Manila but ofcourse she lived close by. Undressing and fucking her took around the same ammount of time so my thoughts go to our european fellow who has 120 min to do this. I take this as a lucky shot and normaly this would be a 2/3 hrs setup and still that would be pretty good (I leave out the fucking part).
The other more normal mongering days went along with 3 to 4 girls each day ex my last day (both trips). I unwind and have only a favorite (regular) coming over for some nasty business. Sadly they get only fumes or what is left of me but normaly we manage to get through 2 or 3 rounds of sexual play. This day I also stop drinking. Then I am well rested for a flight back to the real world. Funny note; Actually I can feel myself thinking I am sick and tired of pussy when Emirates EK335 (both times) hits the V1 mark at the runway but after a few hours into the returnflight I start to miss it, thanks God.
On two occations I was the one beeing late to my dates as they waited outside. My overnighter got the worst delay as I collapsed and did not wake until 1 HR 30 min after our sched meeting time. She stood politely and waited for a fucker like me. Good girl. She had send me 40 ish msgs / calls to my silenced phone. Hope she is not mad at me. The second one me beeing delayed was only 20 minutes but I did run into some bloody mess as my departuered girl did leave some signs of a menstruation right there on my bedcovers. Housekeeping did their best (and got heavy tipped I might add) but with a tight scheduel I was bound to be late. She was fine and understood (I used a toiletincident as cover). On the other hand two girls out of 40-50 was a tad late but nothing to even mention as they beeing late gave me a much needed break anyways.
Between new arrivels we allways have the evidenceremovalprocess. Not that it is needed but I like to come forward as a decent guy who does not fuck to many girls. It is just the way I am. But I am sloppy and often in a drunken state removing evidence is not easy. If more than 30 min to new arrival I try my best with housekeepin and they hurry up as I tip the maid a small monthly salary on my stay (a 500 p here and there). I have room in mostly same floor and hereby also same housekeeper. She knows I am a generous guy so she does her best but ofcourse if she is occupied with a room it can be a hazzle and I do removals myself anyway. The housekeeper in both my stays was a cutie but I don't dare to promote any undecent proposals. She also knows what is going on so I doubt she is highly interested. Thanks to all the Ascott staffs for keeping a straight face me bringing in loads of girls during my stays. I feel it is time to switch venues but I do live Ascotts location as I am a sucker for the easy life. It is hard to beat living on top of a mall (Glorietta 4) with eateries (3 good ones) positioned close to Ascott entrance. Outback beeing the longest distance and we talk 150 steps. Brotzeit (fabulous Gulasj soup for hangovers) and Tony Ramos beeing other alternatives 20 steps away in each direction.
What I don't like is the staff at I e Outback as the say "welcome back sir". I tell all my girls I only stay a day or two and I am very busy. I also bullshit them into believe I allways have a meeting later (party with friends or biz meetings) ex for overnightgirls. The welcome back sir have raised quite a few questions during my stays but in here lies also the explenation to the girls. Yes I have eaten here many times so they must recognize me. They don't know I was there 3 hrs ago with another girl thanks God.
Many of us have experienced girls are about to run out of loads when they are on their way. Many of us have probably pasaloaded a few pisos so we can communicate upon their arrival. I know I have. My last trip this came to a nice twist as I was about to ran out of load. My dear soon to arrive girl pasaloaded me 20 p. That was a nice gesture and worth mentioning as I never experienced that one before (I have never been out of load so an easy expl to this hehe). I was to lazy to go down and into Glorietta to pimp up my loads and was probably busy anyway.
This busy scheduel means I have to communicate with girls while I have girls present. Earlier I did a nazi regime as in no phoneusage while at my place. Since I these days need to use phone myself I let the girls hammering away themself if they feel like it. I must say though that in most cases I am the one using my phone the most and that most girls are modest and some even let it be in their bags. My excuse is ofcourse once again "my coming meeting / party"(and it is partly true).
This trip funniest pick up was the Rustan cashier girl which arrived aafter her work. I did ofcourse having an overnighter arriving the same eve but I prewarned the this girl I would be late and asked her to come midnight instead of 10 pm. Fine by her. Then my Rustan date came for a very small champagne party at 9 ish (it is only 150 mts walk so she was here by time). We did nit even exchange names before she came over. Funny. Ofcourse I've had better looking ladies over but the pick up itself was rather fun so who cares realy.
Was everything a success? No! I did have one girl over not willing to have sex. I may have smelled a non lady so she was ditched in a nice way (I came up with an excuse). Another girl started to ask for money on her way so I also ditched her. To those who doesn't know me I have this strong recentness against discussing money. It takes away the purity of my dirty game. I know I allways donate but to me it is a big point the girls came from other motivations than money. My girls come from rather normal walks of life. They range mostly from 19 to 27 in age(some regulars are older 32/31/34 and 29). My prescreenings can as my evidenceremovals be rather sloppy from time to time but I think after running through a hell of a lot of girls I am getting good at smelling a prosti when they are close. I would guess a few BG slips through though. I realy don't care as long as they don't come forward as one. I have quit my p4 p handling a long time ago but what you don't know will not hurt you. Girls I like are somewhat into sexplay but not to experienced (often what devides a normal girl from a prosti). When you see a girl who are about to blow you walks into the bathroom and comes back with the towel we know we are dealing with a harden pro girl as no nube would ever fetch a towel for blows.
This beeing my 7 and 8 trip into Makatithis year(also a few days at the New World Manila Bay Hotel incl) I have had one request for the use of condom. In 8 trips this year I have no numbers in how many girls I have dealt with. Only one. And she ripped it off during the session as she complained no sensation for her. She was a nube but tried to be cautious I guess but came out over her head. If a girl request a condom and I don't view her as a pro (then I ditch her) ofcourse I use them raincoats. I also put one on if I do backdoorentries.
My donation ranges mostly from 2-3000 p. One girl I gave money so she could buy herself an Iphone (she have send me pics with a brand new one now), one girl got 10000 p and two of my regulars went crazy inside Zara. I am careful when donating as some of these gems would take it badly if cash are offered. I call it gifts and put money in an hotel envelope or stick money inside their purses. In most cases I get "oh thank you so much" after they leave.
Aftermath ended.
Yes, and don't forget Amazonia is a 30 second walk right up from LA Cafe and you can pay for a short-time in the hotel upstairs. Sometimes the girls in Amazonia are better than LA Cafe but not always.
Safest bet is LA Cafe (aka Manila Bay Cafe). 3 K PHP normally tides over the full night, so you could negotiate your price. The place is open 24 hours but the quantity and quality of talent may vary depending on the time of day. But you will almost certainly get a hit..
Managed to sneak in two Makati spins in June (the second one ended a tad into July). One 7 days stay and one 9 days stay. I Ran a heavy scheduel but what can a man do when the girls are crowding up through my various sources (providers, fake FB, regulars, malls etc). I am the curious kind and want to meet as many pussies before I go six feet under. I have a huge desire for pussies and I remember briefly a few months ago I stated I would loosen my sched a bit and maybe meet only 1 or 2 girls a day when staying in pussyland. Well that "promise" are thrown off the boat and the last two trips have been an all time high (pussy) busywice.
I can hardly remember everyone and my "log book"(where I have tried to keep track and written some comments of the girl from a day to day basis) I have lost somewhere. If I say I clocked in 40-50 girls in my two mentioned June runs that would not be to far from the truth, give and take a few. My busiest day was 6 dates in a day and a hell logisticwice as girls kept coming and going every 2 hrs. I hereby thanks all the girls for sticking to agreed meetingtimes and even if some close calls I think non of them bumped into eachother (atleast I wouldn't know, more on that later). Beeing this busy I still managed to keep relatively on track and provided myself and the girls with sufficiant drinks and foods supplies throughout the day. I ended shitfaced towards the overnightgirl arrival but I guess that is the price to pay start drinking in the morning and all through the day and night. Sessions tends to sober me up though and are great for excersise as well.
Since I lately have experienced that girls even arrive early (in precom I stress to the girls the importance of beeing on time and that a latecomming can result in a no go) I have stopped walking girls down, through lobby and out. They have to do all that hard work themself. My benefits from this ex the obvious risk of bumping into new arrivals while hand in hand with the departuring one (s) are that from the time they leave until security calls I do have time to check my belongings (I tend to spread them all over in a non system way and are less than cautious with my valuables ex passport and a few CC's). This system tends to work great so I stick to this "rule" from now. Any spare time had this day I ventured through the mall browsing for some cuties to cort some days later.
DIA experiment worked out great and from precom until she stood in my room I clocked her in at 45 min. This is not bad beeing Manila but ofcourse she lived close by. Undressing and fucking her took around the same ammount of time so my thoughts go to our european fellow who has 120 min to do this. I take this as a lucky shot and normaly this would be a 2/3 hrs setup and still that would be pretty good (I leave out the fucking part).
The other more normal mongering days went along with 3 to 4 girls each day ex my last day (both trips). I unwind and have only a favorite (regular) coming over for some nasty business. Sadly they get only fumes or what is left of me but normaly we manage to get through 2 or 3 rounds of sexual play. This day I also stop drinking. Then I am well rested for a flight back to the real world. Funny note; Actually I can feel myself thinking I am sick and tired of pussy when Emirates EK335 (both times) hits the V1 mark at the runway but after a few hours into the returnflight I start to miss it, thanks God.
On two occations I was the one beeing late to my dates as they waited outside. My overnighter got the worst delay as I collapsed and did not wake until 1 HR 30 min after our sched meeting time. She stood politely and waited for a fucker like me. Good girl. She had send me 40 ish msgs / calls to my silenced phone. Hope she is not mad at me. The second one me beeing delayed was only 20 minutes but I did run into some bloody mess as my departuered girl did leave some signs of a menstruation right there on my bedcovers. Housekeeping did their best (and got heavy tipped I might add) but with a tight scheduel I was bound to be late. She was fine and understood (I used a toiletincident as cover). On the other hand two girls out of 40-50 was a tad late but nothing to even mention as they beeing late gave me a much needed break anyways.
Between new arrivels we allways have the evidenceremovalprocess. Not that it is needed but I like to come forward as a decent guy who does not fuck to many girls. It is just the way I am. But I am sloppy and often in a drunken state removing evidence is not easy. If more than 30 min to new arrival I try my best with housekeepin and they hurry up as I tip the maid a small monthly salary on my stay (a 500 p here and there). I have room in mostly same floor and hereby also same housekeeper. She knows I am a generous guy so she does her best but ofcourse if she is occupied with a room it can be a hazzle and I do removals myself anyway. The housekeeper in both my stays was a cutie but I don't dare to promote any undecent proposals. She also knows what is going on so I doubt she is highly interested. Thanks to all the Ascott staffs for keeping a straight face me bringing in loads of girls during my stays. I feel it is time to switch venues but I do live Ascotts location as I am a sucker for the easy life. It is hard to beat living on top of a mall (Glorietta 4) with eateries (3 good ones) positioned close to Ascott entrance. Outback beeing the longest distance and we talk 150 steps. Brotzeit (fabulous Gulasj soup for hangovers) and Tony Ramos beeing other alternatives 20 steps away in each direction.
What I don't like is the staff at I e Outback as the say "welcome back sir". I tell all my girls I only stay a day or two and I am very busy. I also bullshit them into believe I allways have a meeting later (party with friends or biz meetings) ex for overnightgirls. The welcome back sir have raised quite a few questions during my stays but in here lies also the explenation to the girls. Yes I have eaten here many times so they must recognize me. They don't know I was there 3 hrs ago with another girl thanks God.
Many of us have experienced girls are about to run out of loads when they are on their way. Many of us have probably pasaloaded a few pisos so we can communicate upon their arrival. I know I have. My last trip this came to a nice twist as I was about to ran out of load. My dear soon to arrive girl pasaloaded me 20 p. That was a nice gesture and worth mentioning as I never experienced that one before (I have never been out of load so an easy expl to this hehe). I was to lazy to go down and into Glorietta to pimp up my loads and was probably busy anyway.
This busy scheduel means I have to communicate with girls while I have girls present. Earlier I did a nazi regime as in no phoneusage while at my place. Since I these days need to use phone myself I let the girls hammering away themself if they feel like it. I must say though that in most cases I am the one using my phone the most and that most girls are modest and some even let it be in their bags. My excuse is ofcourse once again "my coming meeting / party"(and it is partly true).
This trip funniest pick up was the Rustan cashier girl which arrived aafter her work. I did ofcourse having an overnighter arriving the same eve but I prewarned the this girl I would be late and asked her to come midnight instead of 10 pm. Fine by her. Then my Rustan date came for a very small champagne party at 9 ish (it is only 150 mts walk so she was here by time). We did nit even exchange names before she came over. Funny. Ofcourse I've had better looking ladies over but the pick up itself was rather fun so who cares realy.
Was everything a success? No! I did have one girl over not willing to have sex. I may have smelled a non lady so she was ditched in a nice way (I came up with an excuse). Another girl started to ask for money on her way so I also ditched her. To those who doesn't know me I have this strong recentness against discussing money. It takes away the purity of my dirty game. I know I allways donate but to me it is a big point the girls came from other motivations than money. My girls come from rather normal walks of life. They range mostly from 19 to 27 in age(some regulars are older 32/31/34 and 29). My prescreenings can as my evidenceremovals be rather sloppy from time to time but I think after running through a hell of a lot of girls I am getting good at smelling a prosti when they are close. I would guess a few BG slips through though. I realy don't care as long as they don't come forward as one. I have quit my p4 p handling a long time ago but what you don't know will not hurt you. Girls I like are somewhat into sexplay but not to experienced (often what devides a normal girl from a prosti). When you see a girl who are about to blow you walks into the bathroom and comes back with the towel we know we are dealing with a harden pro girl as no nube would ever fetch a towel for blows.
This beeing my 7 and 8 trip into Makatithis year(also a few days at the New World Manila Bay Hotel incl) I have had one request for the use of condom. In 8 trips this year I have no numbers in how many girls I have dealt with. Only one. And she ripped it off during the session as she complained no sensation for her. She was a nube but tried to be cautious I guess but came out over her head. If a girl request a condom and I don't view her as a pro (then I ditch her) ofcourse I use them raincoats. I also put one on if I do backdoorentries.
My donation ranges mostly from 2-3000 p. One girl I gave money so she could buy herself an Iphone (she have send me pics with a brand new one now), one girl got 10000 p and two of my regulars went crazy inside Zara. I am careful when donating as some of these gems would take it badly if cash are offered. I call it gifts and put money in an hotel envelope or stick money inside their purses. In most cases I get "oh thank you so much" after they leave.
Aftermath ended.Just curious. How were you able to get 40+ girls without them being P2 P or prosti as you say??
Member #4387
07-09-15, 22:37
Just curious. How were you able to get 40+ girls without them being P2 P or prosti as you say??Well I get girls through my sources and my fake fb. My sources or lets call them pimpettes are attached to two different UNIs and since both unis are rather large there seem to be no end in girls wanting to meet. I don't say it is bulletproof but I can smell a p4 p if I come close to one and only on rare occations I had my doubts. I also tell if I don't know it won't hurt me. You can often tell if a girl is pro through her actions and so far atleast the girls provided me from the Unis seems pretty ordinary skilled in the bed department (which I like). Through my fake fb (my by far largest source) a bit more hit and miss I guess but as far as I am concerned I view their profiles and I skip them having loads of barpics or the ones that have loads of western male "friends" etc etc. I stick to the ones having rather ordinary profiles with boring family / friend pics (mostly phil friends) and who still looks sexy ofcourse. You have ofcourse some having mixed profiles hard to interperate (little bit of both described above) but I am not so nazi so if a prosti or bg (same thing just different name) slips through it is not the end of the world. I just want clean pukie and I want no stress in the moneydepartment, not bcs I am cheap in fact I am the oposite, but I don't like the have to pay anymore (I have done my fair share of that back then when I was huge in the FL segment. I am getting laid no matter what and to me that is the most important thing to me. I am sure some of my dates operate in blurred lines but atleast I have tried to avoid p4 p and that's good enough for me. Hope this was a helpful elaboration.
Traveler1234
07-09-15, 23:18
Just curious. Gentle reminder to not quote chapter and verse, a snippet is enough.
At skogis. You have a great method there haha.
ID prefer that method as well. Not that I'm cheap either.
The thing is though. Even if girls are visiting for the first time at a hotel room. In their.
Mind they are likely expecting to be "paid" so the money issue is always there.
Hi guys. I only have 7 or 8 hour layover in manila.
What are those 7-8 hours? 7 am to 3 pm or 10 pm to 6 am?
What are those 7-8 hours? 7 am to 3 pm or 10 pm to 6 am?Sorry for the incomplete answer; I had to dash.
If your layover is in the evening your best option is EDSA International Complex. Plenty of attractive girls, there are several hot-sheet hotel across the street (behind Heritage Hotel. I posted about them recently) and you're close to the airport.
If it's the morning hours your only bar option is LA. Some time ago I posted an FR about girls there sunrise to noon; in a nutshell once the sun rises most of the remaining girls clear out. During the morning there will be a handful, several of whom are keen pool players. Girls start returning at 11 am. Afternoons there are busy.
If it's the afternoon you have LA and Burgos as your bar options.
Re dating sites, I'm a strong advocate of using them. If you put in the effort before your arrival you should be able to arrange good prospects. However, if it goes wrong for you, such as a no show or the girl flakes out, then you don't have good options except to dash to a bar.
James Bond 1
07-10-15, 22:56
If I say I clocked in 40-50 girls in my two mentioned June runs that would not be to far from the truth, give and take a few.
Was everything a success? No! I did have one girl over not willing to have sex.
This beeing my 7 and 8 trip into Makatithis year(also a few days at the New World Manila Bay Hotel incl) I have had one request for the use of condom, ad she ripped it off during the session as she complained no sensation for her.Inspiring to the rest of us.
I was going to ask how many of the girls you knocked up till I remembered you'd posted about being snipped.
For those of us that aren't snipped: is female contraception still rarely used in the Philippines? And even for Skogis. You must need penicillin on a regular basis?
Hi guys. I only have 7 or 8 hour layover in manila.
Sorry for all the noob questions. I don't go to manila often thanks.Eh? Didn't you ask this same question like a few months ago?
At skogis. You have a great method there haha.
ID prefer that method as well. Not that I'm cheap either.
The thing is though. Even if girls are visiting for the first time at a hotel room. In their.
Mind they are likely expecting to be "paid" so the money issue is always there.For sure but it is such a small amount compared to what you would spend on a date in your country, yes? And the pussy is tight and the body is firm and the kisses are memorable, yes? Have I put it in perspective?
Deep Groove
07-15-15, 04:49
I'll be in Manila next week for a few days on my way to Palawan. I'm thinking of booking a room in Makati. What are some good guest friendly hotels near Greenbelt and Burgos Street? What about AirB&B?
Thanks!
Wicked Roger
07-16-15, 00:37
I'll be in Manila next week for a few days on my way to Palawan. I'm thinking of booking a room in Makati. What are some good guest friendly hotels near Greenbelt and Burgos Street? What about air be&BS?
Thanks!Plenty of advice on the forum if you RTFF DG.
And in 2013 you were in Makati / Burgos so you should know? You went to Spicy Fingers and Café Havana both in Greenbelt so try the place you stayed at then.
Oh. You promised a full FR on your adventures but don't see one, maybe you forgot?
I'll be in Manila next week for a few days on my way to Palawan. I'm thinking of booking a room in Makati. What are some good guest friendly hotels near Greenbelt and Burgos Street? What about air be&BS?
Thanks!Always a little amused when someone inquires about guest friendly hotels. All the hotels accept an overnight guest although some hotels do state in their policy limits on how many people can stay in 1 room.
Just jump on Agoda or another site and pick a hotel that fits your budget.
Did enjoy a few nights in Greenbelt 3 in Havana Cafe and the coffee shops to its left and right. Quite a good selection of freelancers available. During the acquaintance process just make sure it is clear how long she must stay and what expectations on services rendered you have. The hardcore ones start their negotiations at 6000 PHP for ST. Did find some good looking and very nice girls who are occasionally freelancing for 3000 PHP LT till noon the day after.
Hi All,
Can you help me with a place that gives a good happy ending massage. Near Glorietta?
If there is a possibility of full service. Even better.
Thanks.For a place in Makati, check out HBM. Sign up for an account and just quote your username and usually you'll get half off the massage. I usually go to Kemosabe and it's mainly a locals place that I stumbled upon one day.
http://forum.happybudgetmeal.org/index/
http://forum.happybudgetmeal.org/forum/3009128/
Any changes to rates from USD to Pesos?
Last time I looked GReenbelt money changers were ok on rates, anything changed there as I'm going to do about 3-4 k USD to Pesos this trip.
Any suggestions?
PC out.
Any changes to rates from USD to Pesos?
Last time I looked GReenbelt money changers were ok on rates, anything changed there as I'm going to do about 3-4 k USD to Pesos this trip.
Any suggestions?
PC out.Sanry's in Greenbelt 1 is fine. FX places I've used offer better rates during weekday business hours.
Sanry's in Greenbelt 1 is fine. FX places I've used offer better rates during weekday business hours.Hey Hut,
Thanks for this info. Whats the rate this week, you know as on FX its like 45.2 to 1 now.
PC out.
Hey Hut,
Thanks for this info. Whats the rate this week, you know as on FX its like 45.2 to 1 now.
PC out.You're welcome. Unless a currency is pegged to another FX rates are volatile, so there's no "rate this week". Over the past few months the peso has ranged between 44.5 and 45+, and the trend has been to weakness. The only rate that matters is the one when you're changing money. If you're in Makati you can try your luck finding a slightly better rate with the few money changers near Burgos; I've used Sanry's at GB1 because the rate is good, it's convenient, and the mall is safe. When changing $1000 is the extra p100 - p300 you may get worth the wandering around Burgos? (I've been quoted some crappy rates in the Burgos area, too.) If you're staying in a hotel near Burgos it's worth checking it out and perhaps even changing there rather than going to GB; the opposite applies if your hotel is near GB.
Any changes to rates from USD to Pesos?
Last time I looked GReenbelt money changers were ok on rates, anything changed there as I'm going to do about 3-4 k USD to Pesos this trip.
Any suggestions?
PC out.IMO, Czarina foreign exchange gives the best rates. I've watched them pretty closely and they are very close to the spot rate (within. 25 pesos). At times, they have been higher than the spot rate as they have a lag in their rates.
IMO, Czarina foreign exchange gives the best rates. I've watched them pretty closely and they are very close to the spot rate (within. 25 pesos). At times, they have been higher than the spot rate as they have a lag in their rates.Where are they located?
PC out.
Where are they located?
PC out.You can google it as they have a website with the locations listed on it.
I haven't posted for years, but took a junket to Manila last week. Very experienced in Burgos, but not for the last four years as I have spent much more time in Thailand.
Sorry to see Flamingos gone! One of the best spots! Although, I am aware it has been a few years. Billboards gone too, but don't miss it. Super scamming place.
Overall, had some excellent GFE / PSE experiences. So I think Burgos is alive and well with some effort.
But bars varied in terms of quality and atmosphere a huge amount, so I thought I would share to help other prospective visitors.
Lots of freelancers, but I don't partake. Lots of LBs and many girls not 18, I believe. So don't do that.
Here are my ratings.
I visited a lot of bars so absence of a rating is probably not a good sign. Just turned on my heels on entering a couple.
Good bars.
Stardust: a very pleasant surprise! (across the road from the main strip; so across from Ivory and next to Ringside (which is pretty much a freak show): Excellent dance show. Girls constantly on stage so you can have a good look. No crazy pressure to buy drinks. A lot of pretty and sexy girls available. I picked a stunner, 19. Very slim and sexy body. Definitely a 10 in that dept. Cute face. Not model quality. Excellent GFE perhaps not as hot as below, but a really gorgeous girl -- a dream come true. If you watch the show, you can't miss her. Nice girl. Don't know how long she will work there. She was already sponsored for quite a while. I got her on her first night back.
Rascals. A good choice for the last decade for me. Chose a very small girl from Dumaguete. (sorry I am terrible with names! She must have been 60-70 lbs, short hair. I picked her up. No effort for me whatsoever. Excellent GFE / PSE. Nice girl.
Blush. This is a pool bar upstairs. Fun atmosphere. Played a few rounds of pool. The girls here seem outgoing and fun. They were doing a lot of girl-girl stuff in the bar for another customer, so if that is what you are looking for, look no further. Took a girl called Jealosy. No joke. Excellent GFE / PSE experience also. She was totally open to girl-girl so if that's what you are looking for. Her attitude was 100% opposite to her name. Nice girl.
Bottoms: I didn't take a girl from here for lack of time, but an excellent line up, and not too much pressure on drinks. I would recommend.
Not so good bars.
Ivory. The worst about Burgos. Attacked for drinks relentlessly. Told the Mamasan that I only wanted to speak to two beautiful girls. The others disappeared, but a 35-40 YO chick kept hanging on asking for drinks. Very annoying. They also brought drinks that I didn't order. I know the drill, but just completely annoying. We're looking for a relaxing time. Don't need additional BS and arguments. That said, they do have some hot girls. Took one. Forgot her name. Very pretty. Hot in bed. GFE and an awesome BJ in the morning. But heavy BS at this bar.
Jools, High Heels. Bebots sleeping, I think. No customers. Nothing to see.
Shampoo. Not much to see.
OK that's it. Hope this is helpful.
Big Fun
CallSign Papa
07-26-15, 04:00
I haven't posted for years, but took a junket to Manila last week. Great report BF, I didn't even know they had an upstairs at Blush!
I haven't posted for years, but took a junket to Manila last week. Very experienced in Burgos, but not for the last four years as I have spent much more time in Thailand.
OK that's it. Hope this is helpful.
Big FunGreat report. Remarkably an informative report comes from someone who's posted few comments. It can be done! Well done, sir.
Thanks for the reply Hutsori. I am a noob when it comes to posting on these forums, though I do try to read through a lot of the stuff here. I've been a lurker since the past I think 5 years or more? Yet I post very little. Though I do recognize a few veterans such as yourself from lurking, so a response is much appreciated.
Thanks for pointing me as well to the escort forum. I shall read through that. The reason I posted in Makati however was that I am mainly looking for services located around here (both escorts and massage parlors.) I know that massage parlors are abundant in QC (to which I've been to Kremlin; I can say that it's actually quite good and on par with the middle range ones I've been to in other countries) but I haven't actually found a good one in Makati. I've tried to search a few times by browsing here (which led met to a few places that seem to not be as quality as the ones in QC) but ultimately no luck.
Anyways I'll look through the escort forum and see what I can find. Though if you have any suggestions as to where to go in Makati area that isn't so sketchy and has higher quality women it would be much appreciated. (Price isn't really a concern unless it's heading to past 50 k per night of fun).
At the moment I'm probably going to check out Primero in BGC and see how that place is. Seeing as it's modeled after Aisan KTV's (the ones I primarily visit in Japan, Taiwan, and Thailand where I used to live / frequent) it should prove to be quite an experience. Though I realize that the girls might not be of the quality I'm looking for (I assume the girls that work in Primero will be girls who are hoping to end up in Shinjuku KTV's in Japan, which also left me unsatisfied.).Hmm, Is Coolica a dine / dash poster? (being semi-antagonistic in jest due to the recent forum posts on etiquette).
Did you end up going to Primero 526? Or have any other posters? Seems like it will run 5,000+ PHP / hour for just drinking.
https://foursquare.com/v/primero-526/4cd5724767adf04de31d2d91
I need to stay at Makati for several days. After I finish my business at there, I am planning to visit Angeles for weekend.
Can you recommend best way to get to Angeles from Makati?
I am considering to use taxi. I heard that Uber taxi service is pretty good. Can Uber taxi bring me to Angeles? If so, how much would it cost?
I wish your kind recommendation.
Thank you.
Wicked Roger
07-27-15, 02:43
I need to stay at Makati for several days. After I finish my business at there, I am planning to visit Angeles for weekend.
Can you recommend best way to get to Angeles from Makati?
I am considering to use taxi. I heard that Uber taxi service is pretty good. Can Uber taxi bring me to Angeles? If so, how much would it cost?
I wish your kind recommendation.
Thank you.Raideen,
Firstly if you RTFF there is so much information on that subject so try it?
Secondly, you have 16 posts and some relate to AC so you have been there before yes? So why ask this question as you already know.
Thirdly, you don't have M facility so why not pay $20 and see if anyone replies?
Fourthly, Uber comments have been written about frequently and I would have thought if you log into Uber and ask that question you get a reply with a cost. This is what others do.
So why ask others to do what you can easily do? We call that manager class elsewhere on the board LOL. And get a PM facility that would help.
WestCoast1
07-27-15, 05:24
I need to stay at Makati for several days. After I finish my business at there, I am planning to visit Angeles for weekend.
Can you recommend best way to get to Angeles from Makati?What do you mean by "best way"? Cheapest? Fastest?
My preferred way is to have my AC hotel send their car / van to pick me up at my hotel in Manila and transfer me directly to my hotel in AC. Cost is p2500-3000 one way.
From time to time there those who ask about 'models'. You will see bona fide models here. They're not working girls but you never know what may develop. This is a club for the beautiful people.
Technically this place is in the Fort, but the Fort may be Makati or maybe it's still Taguig depending on whose lawyers you speak to. It's in the same building as Valkyrie Night Club.
This is a pool and a nightclub (DJs). Together. It's like those pool clubs in Spain, Las Vegas and Miami. It's open during the afternoon and closes a 2 am weeknights /5 am weekends. If you want the day rate pool experience it's p800 including towel and locker; better to pay a bit more and get the sun lounger. They have different seating arrangements (including sun beds) and consumable charges and these vary by night. Prices? They're all over the place depending on day of the week and time. On a Saturday it's from p8000 for a table away from the pool to p30000 for an aircon cabana (15 pax) that has own private CR. Cheapest bottles of spirits start at p2800 (Smirnoff, Capt Morgan, and go up to p90000 for a single malt. Cocktails at p400+. Snacks at p400+ and sandwiches at p400+. When you commit to a consumable charge the prices don't mean all that much anymore because it becomes "we've got to spend it. " Six of us (3 guys, 3 girls) spent p20000 plus tip. Dress code is beach / resort swim attire such as trucks, shorts and collared shirts and in the pool it's strictly swimwear. Go to their FB page for promoter contact info.
Member #4584
07-27-15, 15:48
From time to time there those who ask about 'models'. You will see bona fide models here. They're not working girls but you never know what may develop. This is a club for the beautiful people.
Technically this place is in the Fort, but the Fort may be Makati or maybe it's still Taguig depending on whose lawyers you speak to. It's in the same building as Valkyrie Night Club.Thanks for the info! I'd been reading up on this place and Valkyrie. Entry prices are listed, but not much more than that as far as bottles etc. So thanks again. I'll be back to the Phils in Late September.
Has anyone been to Vu's at the Marco Polo hotel?
Hello guys,
I'm kind of new with this but I've got a short trip planned to Makati. This is my first time in the Phillipines so I am not sure what to expect.
I am staying in the Red Planet Hotel. This hotel seemed to have a fair price and is located on the Burgos street. I've red somewhere that that's the place to be.
My gameplan is this:
I'm a young and attractive white male, so my first bet is girls from tinder. This is interesting in a few days I gathered around 200 matches and most of them very pretty. I was fooled by ladyboys a few times, but right now I figure the ones who instantly ask for sex are probably Ladyboys. No disrespect, just not my cup of tea. Other then that I have a lot of girls who want to date me. So that should be interesting. Some have agreed just to come to my hotel, but others asked for a proper date. And that's where I am a little bit scared. I don't know the city and I have no idea what to expect. Are there some bars or something like that I can set up a date, preferably close to my hotel? And is this a safe area for a white male to walk around?
I also want to have a backup plan, so for that I need some information about my options. I've seen some escort sites, is this a wise idea? And can somebody give me some more information about options nearby my hotel? Massage parlors, Clubs and malls? If possible please with descriptions of the place and the prices I can expect.
To be honest I am bit scared, alone in a big city. I'd like to know what I can expect.'
Thanks in advance!
And after my trip ill be sure to share my experience!
I haven't posted for years, but took a junket to Manila last week. Very experienced in Burgos, but not for the last four years as I have spent much more time in Thailand.
Sorry to see Flamingos gone! One of the best spots! Yeah, me too. It is funny you didn't make to either Plan be, Kojax, or Hot Spot. That is where all the Flamingo mommies and talent went. Bottoms is great, but do yourself a favor and visit Mommies Vanessa or Red in Plan be or Mommie Emmie at Hot Spot or Kojax. BTW, the girl pictured, Bhaby Rica was last seen at Hot Spot.
I need to stay at Makati for several days. After I finish my business at there, I am planning to visit Angeles for weekend.
Can you recommend best way to get to Angeles from Makati?
I am considering to use taxi. I heard that Uber taxi service is pretty good. Can Uber taxi bring me to Angeles? If so, how much would it cost?
I wish your kind recommendation.
Thank you.Try action travel I booked a car with them a few times and never had an issue. The charged me from the airport to AC 2500P.
Try http://www.actiontravelac.com/.
Wicked Roger
07-31-15, 03:18
Hello guys,
I'm kind of new with this but I've got a short trip planned to Makati. This is my first time in the Phillipines so I am not sure what to expect.
Thanks in advance!
And after my trip ill be sure to share my experience!You said would share your experiences about Indonesia (April 2015) but did not. There is plenty of information on the board about what to do, how to avid being scammed or worse, about hat is around your hotel (I know it well and the area), plus loads of tips on girls. As you are 24 and good looking (so you said in April) I can't see any issues.
Now of you a re scared of a big city like Manila then how do you cope in Jakarta? As that is a bog city. If you do cope use the same tricks.
But RTFF as then you will be comfortable with the dos / don'ts and how to manage Burgoa. Which is a very scary place for some.
Good luck.
From time to time there those who ask about 'models'. You will see bona fide models here. They're not working girls but you never know what may develop. This is a club for the beautiful people.
Technically this place is in the Fort, but the Fort may be Makati or maybe it's still Taguig depending on whose lawyers you speak to. It's in the same building as Valkyrie Night Club.
This is a pool and a nightclub (DJs). Together. It's like those pool clubs in Spain, Las Vegas and Miami. It's open during the afternoon and closes a 2 am weeknights /5 am weekends. If you want the day rate pool experience it's p800 including towel and locker; better to pay a bit more and get the sun lounger. They have different seating arrangements (including sun beds) and consumable charges and these vary by night. Prices? They're all over the place depending on day of the week and time. On a Saturday it's from p8000 for a table away from the pool to p30000 for an aircon cabana (15 pax) that has own private CR. Cheapest bottles of spirits start at p2800 (Smirnoff, Capt Morgan, and go up to p90000 for a single malt. Cocktails at p400+. Snacks at p400+ and sandwiches at p400+. When you commit to a consumable charge the prices don't mean all that much anymore because it becomes "we've got to spend it. " Six of us (3 guys, 3 girls) spent p20000 plus tip. Dress code is beach / resort swim attire such as trucks, shorts and collared shirts and in the pool it's strictly swimwear. Go to their FB page for promoter contact info.Nice report.
Yeah, me too. It is funny you didn't make to either Plan be, Kojax, or Hot Spot. That is where all the Flamingo mommies and talent went. Bottoms is great, but do yourself a favor and visit Mommies Vanessa or Red in Plan be or Mommie Emmie at Hot Spot or Kojax. BTW, the girl pictured, Bhaby Rica was last seen at Hot Spot.I think every one has a real different experience in these bars. The 3 you mentioned I will never go in again. They have double charged me, charged on my bill things I never ordered and been real assholes about it when caught. I had one of those mamas get so mad she threw the bill on the ground and walked away because I caught her stealing. Plus they NEVER deduct the ladies drinks from the bar fine. They get pissed when you ask them and play stupid. I think they are three of the worst bars there now. None of my friends go there at all anymore and we are all local guys.
Everyone I guess has a different experience and opinion.
Engine Driver
07-31-15, 10:27
I'm a young and attractive white male, Leave your ego behind, you won't need it. If you're on a short trip, your wallet is the only thing that's going to matter. Leave the long-con romantic dating business to the local expats who know the ropes and have more time to pull it off.
To be honest I am bit scared, alone in a big city. I'd like to know what I can expect.'May be you should bring your mommy along so you can hold her hand.
Nice two word reply. Should we all reread the original 280 word report? Please cut and snip when possible. X
Nice report..
GoodEnough
08-01-15, 02:32
I think every one has a real different experience in these bars. The 3 you mentioned I will never go in again. They have double charged me, charged on my bill things I never ordered and been real assholes about it when caught. I had one of those mamas get so mad she threw the bill on the ground and walked away because I caught her stealing. Plus they NEVER deduct the ladies drinks from the bar fine. They get pissed when you ask them and play stupid. I think they are three of the worst bars there now. None of my friends go there at all anymore and we are all local guys.
Everyone I guess has a different experience and opinion.Amazing, the difference in experience. They're my favorite bars by far; I've never been cheated by a single pesos, and drinks are always deducted from the bar fines. I'm not doubting your word, just marveling at the difference in our experiences.
FE.
Amazing, the difference in experience. They're my favorite bars by far; I've never been cheated by a single pesos, and drinks are always deducted from the bar fines. I'm not doubting your word, just marveling at the difference in our experiences.
FE.Your box seems full. Be around later today please pm me.
PC.
You are staying at Red Planet Makati which is a good location. At times there are girls hanging around outside for your choosing. As far as I know RP has retained the old Tune staff. In the evenings the doormen check and hold the girls ID and return them upon confirmation with you that you are alive and well. Since the hotel do not have phones in the rooms they will come up and knock on your door to confirm you are ok prior to the release of the ID. My suggestion is to walk the girl down and properly release her. I believe the ID is filed by room number or at least written in their log book by it, just state your room number upon release. Also if a girl is coming to your room it is best to meet her at the door and check her in with the door person. Otherwise they will walk her up to your room and confirm with you that this is your guest.
I generally tip the doormen 50-100 pesos. A few months ago they had some door women working but they were very curtious and professional about working girls.
Being you are a newbie I suggest you deal with the proven delivery system in place like the bars, FL and / or maybe massage girls.
GoodEnough
08-01-15, 06:44
Your box seems full. Be around later today please pm me.
PC.Sorry about that. Cleaned out the box. Feel free to PM.
You are staying at Red Planet Makati which is a good location. At times there are girls hanging around outside for your choosing. As far as I know RP has retained the old Tune staff. In the evenings the doormen check and hold the girls ID and return them upon confirmation with you that you are alive and well. Since the hotel do not have phones in the rooms they will come up and knock on your door to confirm you are ok prior to the release of the ID. My suggestion is to walk the girl down and properly release her. I believe the ID is filed by room number or at least written in their log book by it, just state your room number upon release. Also if a girl is coming to your room it is best to meet her at the door and check her in with the door person. Otherwise they will walk her up to your room and confirm with you that this is your guest.
I generally tip the doormen 50-100 pesos. A few months ago they had some door women working but they were very curtious and professional about working girls.
Being you are a newbie I suggest you deal with the proven delivery system in place like the bars, FL and / or maybe massage girls.What is the best place to find freelance girls, I heard some things about malls, are there any malls in particular? And how does this usually work?
What is the best place to find freelance girls, I heard some things about malls, are there any malls in particular? And how does this usually work?If you go back a few pages you will see that FL girls wear a yellow shash like Ms Universe. FL shash will have Ms Freelancer on it follow by rates like 1/ st 3/ LT. FL are all over malls and parts of Manila and easy to spot if you know about the secret shash and pricing code.
Some may only be written in Korean or Japanese or Chinese depending on who they cater to. Also you will be too young for the ones with the senior citizen discount logo. Save your time and efforts don't bother with these.
Good luck.
FreebieFan
08-04-15, 03:44
What is the best place to find freelance girls, I heard some things about malls, are there any malls in particular? And how does this usually work?There are many malls that do have this type of service available. If you could send US99.99 including tax and delivery charge I will send you my book " How to pick up girls in malls without having to read back through pages of ISG ".
Alternatively. Go to the nearest mall, wait for a girl to give you that too long lingering look, hope its you she's looking at and not the guy standing behind you, and go say Hi.
GoodEnough
08-04-15, 03:50
If you go back a few pages you will see that FL girls wear a yellow shash like Ms Universe. FL shash will have Ms Freelancer on it follow by rates like 1/ st 3/ LT. FL are all over malls and parts of Manila and easy to spot if you know about the secret shash and pricing code.
Some may only be written in Korean or Japanese or Chinese depending on who they cater to. Also you will be too young for the ones with the senior citizen discount logo. Save your time and efforts don't bother with these.
Good luck.You forgot to mention that by law, they all need to have ID card with pictures around their necks clearly showing the dates of their last check-ups. They're easy to spot if you just look for the sash / ID card combinations.
GE.
You forgot to mention that by law, they all need to have ID card with pictures around their necks clearly showing the dates of their last check-ups. They're easy to spot if you just look for the sash / ID card combinations.
GE.GE,
Sorry about my rookie mistake there.
Sir K,
Also an additional word of caution, Koopeon, you may be young and good looking by western standards but Phils have different standards. The unkept seniors fashions seems to rule here.
You may need to be unshaven, shower less and drunk most of the time to get someone's attention, especially someone of beauty. Polyester Hawaiian shirts, wrinkled cargo shorts and leather sandals (with knee hi black socks) are a must. Extra points for untrim ear and nose hair and big points for a hairy beer belly.
Good luck young sir K.
You may need to be unshaven, shower less and drunk most of the time to get someone's attention, especially someone of beauty. Polyester Hawaiian shirts, wrinkled cargo shorts and leather sandals (with knee hi black socks) are a must. Extra points for untrim ear and nose hair and big points for a hairy beer belly.
Since I arrive on the weekend and just finished cam checking a very large breasted young lass who sadly is out of work at the moment and is eager and willing to receive my first load when I get off the plane, I will ensure I wear that monger uniform when I collect her from my hotel lobby.
Wicked Roger
08-04-15, 12:55
Alternatively. Go to the nearest mall, wait for a girl to give you that too long lingering look, hope its you she's looking at and not the guy standing behind you, and go say Hi.FF,
Apart from the good advice DG and GE have posted already you forgot the time tested mall pick up way to make sure that the girl is really a girl and a LB.
Koopeon. Once the girl looks at you in that sultry way and you wander over to say Hi, make sure when you greet her you grab the crotch area to make sure that she not no dick / testicles before you proceed chatting her up and hopefully taking her to her room.
Am sure Ceegee will do something similar with his large breasted lady while wearing his polyester shirt (we should compare colours and patterns DG and CG as I have quite a collection).
HA! Don't forget the smelly old basecall cap underneath the greasy, receding hair!
You may need to be unshaven, shower less and drunk most of the time to get someone's attention, especially someone of beauty. Polyester Hawaiian shirts, wrinkled cargo shorts and leather sandals (with knee hi black socks) are a must. Extra points for untrim ear and nose hair and big points for a hairy beer belly.
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NickSmithy82
08-06-15, 18:17
Hi,
First time in Makati. Will be around Burgos Saturday night. Looked back through the forum and looks like tickles might be a good place to try out also looks like plan-be might be worth a look. Anyone have any other recommendations to try out?
Also, any one around in the area who fancies meeting up? Preferably someone keen to catch the first of the premier league games!
N
Dark Knight1
08-08-15, 16:47
Hi,
First time in Makati. Will be around Burgos Saturday night. Looked back through the forum and looks like tickles might be a good place to try out also looks like plan-be might be worth a look. Anyone have any other recommendations to try out?
Also, any one around in the area who fancies meeting up? Preferably someone keen to catch the first of the premier league games!
NRead the forum and learn your way around on your own. Most old time members will not meet up with other long time members let alone some guy with only a few posts. They need time to get a feel for you from your posts. Post some reports with photos (be wary of that). Make them proud of your achievements then maybe someone will meet up with you. Meeting up with mongers you don't know well can be dangerous to your identity as well legal ramifications. Mongers I met up with that I didn't know well went on to trash some bar girls and throw them out in the street naked. You just never know.
In the off chance anybody actually wants to hear about my exploits, I am moving the conversation to this thread where it really belongs.
Boobs1 had a cold and was a bit disinterested when we first cammed, but I put it down to her being sick. Have cammed with her again, but while she has agreed to come see me, I am just not getting that warm fuzzy feeling that I should be getting from a sexy little pinay that wants to be my bed companion for a few hours or the night. She seems rather disinterested, or bored with the whole thing. Maybe I am planning too far in advance for her??
Ugh. So Boob1 just left my hotel room. You will not be surprised to learn that her performance was sub-standard. She has a couple of real pics that are very hot, but the girl does not understand the concept of good service. What annoys me the most, is that I picked up on that in the pre-arrival screening, but I still put her in at number 1 slot. 2000 pesos for the dead, 200 for the taxi, at least I will sleep with empty balls tonight, and I am already asking number 2 slot girl where she is now!
Member #4387
08-09-15, 15:41
Arriving in Makati this fine afternoon I went straight to business as in monitoring / watching my phil baby. Mother is out of the country on business so I thought I watch the baby for a couple of days until phil mother returns. The problem is the maid / nanny, living in her own maid apartment in the apartment, as she is damn hot. I have met her before of course but she must have been working out a lot as of lately as she now looks extremely hot (she did not look to bad earlier either). Seeing her I've got an instant boner. She must be one of the best paid nannies / maids in phils as me and phil mother pay her 30 K a month and she has Saturday / Sundays off (mostly), free food and a free rather spacious apartment. Well the phil mother was about to only pay her 10 k but I pimped the sum up as I thought 10 k was crappy. Me and the mother agreed to chip in 50/50 on maids salary. She is 26 yo, 165 cm, pale skinned, with rather hot boobies, an ass to die for, has only one sister and no baby. Ever since I arrived this late afternoon she has been flirtatious, cooked me dinner (western foods) on her day off and she even went down to Rustans to buy me some nice wine. Shit.
From the first time I laid my eyes on her I told my self I would not do her as this obviously will create some strange energy in the apartment when phil mother returns. I don't know how I can prevent this happening so I brought my daughter inside the bedroom (she is sleeping now), locked the door and I will stay here until morning watching some crappy DVD or sth. Looking forward to mother returns so I can start the real mongering. If you see me with a stroller please don't laugh at me, hehe.
MrWoolyBooly
08-09-15, 18:15
From the first time I laid my eyes on her I told my self I would not do her as this obviously will create some strange energy in the apartment when phil mother returns. I don't know how I can prevent this happening so I brought my daughter inside the bedroom (she is sleeping now), locked the door and I will stay here until morning watching some crappy dvd or sth. Looking forward to mother returns so I can start the real mongering. If you see me with a straller please don't laugh at me, hehe.Plan A: Self-control. Nevermind, if that worked this forum would not exist. Plan be: Apply all your hard-earned organizational, scheduling and cleanup skills to enjoy as long as possible. Then be ready for the unhappy day you're found out. (One unhappy day of yelling in exchange for many happy days of great sex? Sounds like a great deal) Good luck!
Does anybody here have any solid observations on how Filipino guys handle their mistress ("kabet") arrangements? I wouldn't want the drama of having her in the same house. Is it usually by maintaining a separate household? Are the mistress or main girl usually aware of the other's existence? Mr Hutsori, do you have any insight?
This reply should probably go under the General Information section, but I don't know how to reply into another section.
<SNIP> She must be one of the best paid nannies / maids in phils as me and phil mother pay her 30 K a month and she has Saturday / sundays off (mostly), free food and a free rather spacious apartment. Well the phil mother was about to only pay her 10 k but I pimped the sum up as I thought 10 k was crappy.. . <SNIP> There is no doubt that she is easily the best paid nanny / maid in the Philippines but, as we always say in this ISG board, you are free to pay whatever you wish, and to whom you wish.
30 K ++ per month? Holy cow. And 2 days off each week?
My maid gets 6 K per month plus food and lodging, one day off, and she is very very happy with that. Many other maids in the condo ask her (and me) if I need another maid, as 6 K is clearly higher than standard filipino rates.
10 k for a nanny plus maid is OK but 30 K is VERY generous.
10 k for a nanny plus maid is OK but 30 K is VERY generous.Too much.
MrWoolyBooly
08-10-15, 03:45
There is no doubt that she is easily the best paid nanny / maid in the Philippines but, as we always say in this ISG board, you are free to pay whatever you wish, and to whom you wish.
30 K ++ per month? Holy cow. And 2 days off each week?
My maid gets 6 K per month plus food and lodging, one day off, and she is very very happy with that. Many other maids in the condo ask her (and me) if I need another maid, as 6 K is clearly higher than standard filipino rates.
10 k for a nanny plus maid is OK but 30 K is VERY generous.Is your 6 k maid hot and flirtatious haha Even so, I agree with you on the math. At 30 k if she started providing regular extra services, she could be more accurately described as a pro who also cleans rather than a maid. Hmmm, as best I can tell 30 k per month would get a hotter than hot university student live-in up for anything. Best of luck to all in getting their money's worth in whatever form that takes.
Member #4387
08-10-15, 15:20
Is your 6 k maid hot and flirtatious haha Even so, I agree with you on the math. At 30 k if she started providing regular extra services, she could be more accurately described as a pro who also cleans rather than a maid. Hmmm, as best I can tell 30 k per month would get a hotter than hot university student live-in up for anything. Best of luck to all in getting their money's worth in whatever form that takes.Ahh I think salaries here are crappy and everyone "employed" by me will have high salary (so far this is the only one by the way). She is happy, does a fine job with daughter and the apartment is always in tip top shape. We have provided her with CC and Debit card and a rather large advance sum in her account so she can travel abroad and she was able to get a loan to build her own house in Cavite. Don't ask me for details as this is the mother of my baby field being a biz lawyer and all. She also makes a hell of a salmon and other western dishes I crave for when I am present. Phil mother does not eat phil food either and my daughter is supposed to grow up on a western diet so she becomes tall and strong. Actually, and that made me happy, there is no rice to be seen in the apartment. Nanny seems to get more and more used to western diet herself. Go nanny / maid.
Made it through the first night with door locked. What met me this fine morning was the maid running along mopping the floors in a tight tight shorts, bare stomach and a push up bra. Boner again so I had to run into the office and sit there recoupe until she finished up. Luckily with my daughter present my mind is not all focused on sex. Without the daughter I had nailed the maid long time ago. I am not used to be referred to as the boss and I told her to just call me xxxx but then she started with the Sir crap. I told her to just use my name or "hey you". I like it informal and she seems to get it now. From tmrw I have given her two days off just to save myself from nailing her. I think that's the only sane thing to do.
According to the nanny she know of friends making 4-6000 with only one day off per week. One actually have only a Sunday a month off. Exploiting people like that is not nice at all.
Does anybody here have any solid observations on how Filipino guys handle their mistress ("kabet") arrangements? I wouldn't want the drama of having her in the same house. Is it usually by maintaining a separate household? Are the mistress or main girl usually aware of the other's existence? Mr Hutsori, do you have any insight?I don't know of any attached Filipino or Western guy whose mistress also lives at the same location. Sounds like a huge headache to me. Perhaps even life threatening. One of my former fubus lived with a Korean guy and his Korean girlfriend (and her daughter), and it didn't last long. To his credit he didn't label the Pinay a 'maid' and wasn't hiding one from the other because the Pinay had pussy eating duty, but he was in Korea most of the time and my fubu wouldn't obey his requirement that she stay home.
If it were me I'd put the mistress in a condo close to my office. But really that's more attachment and responsibility than I'd want; I'd have my own 'fuck pad' near the office allowing me to entertain multiple girls rather than be stuck with one.
entertain multiple girls rather than be stuck with one.Yes, it is more fun to juggle all those jugs and pound a variety of those delicious tiny twats. Otherwise one may as well be married and in jail.
An 18 year old student just left my hotel room to go to her class. I did not quite catch if it was university or high school, but security checked ID with me last night, she was definitely 18, but not by much.
I have had 3 girls come through my room since I got here late Sunday night, and not a single one asked for money up front, or counted the money when I gave it to them. I usually just slip it in their purse, but tell them while I am doing it so they know they got paid.
It really is more fun in the Philippines.
MrWoolyBooly
08-11-15, 03:04
If it were me I'd put the mistress in a condo close to my office. But really that's more attachment and responsibility than I'd want; I'd have my own 'fuck pad' near the office allowing me to entertain multiple girls rather than be stuck with one.
Yes, it is more fun to juggle all those jugs and pound a variety of those delicious tiny twats. Otherwise one may as well be married and in jail.Mr Hutsuri: Good idea. Many of us spend so much time working, close enough for a quickie with time left to grab lunch would be perfect. I guess a lot of those couples avoiding eye contact with other couples in the Sogo lobbies are using the usual arrangements haha.
Mr Cups: I kinda split the difference. I like service on demand as needed fitting into tight schedules, but definitely consider the mistress position to be temporary. After all, women do age, or I lose interest, or both.
Makeupaname
08-11-15, 03:33
She must be one of the best paid nannies / maids in phils as me and phil mother pay her 30 K a month and she has Saturday / sundays off (mostly), free food and a free rather spacious apartment. Well the phil mother was about to only pay her 10 k but I pimped the sum up as I thought 10 k was crappy. Me and the mother agreed to chip in 50/50 on maids salary.
30 k is an incredible salary for a nanny / maid. That is at least over paying by x3 or more even by expat standards. Locals pay around 3 k-4 k in Cebu, not sure about Makati. Even half of that would make a great maids salary. My guess is your babys mother is pocketing her half or getting back most of it in a kickback.
<SNIP>
According to the nanny she know of friends making 4-6000 with only one day off per week. One actually have only a sunday a month off. Exploiting people like that is not nice at all.With all due respect Skog; I think you extrapolated rather offensively from my comment that you were "extremely generous" to then suggesting that anyone like me who was paying OVER AWARD WAGES like 6000 php per month with one day off per week was "exploiting people".
A filipina getting 6000 php per month to care for a reasonably small apartment and to wash and cook for 2 persons who are clean, neat and tidy and who are often travelling out of the country and who gets all her food and lodgings is certainly NOT exploiting people.
I also said that you are free to pay as much as you want to whomever you want, but your maid must be laughing at how lucky she is to be getting 25000 php more than others every month and at how rich you are. It is a very simple next step for her to start pilfering stuff from you because you seem to have more money than awareness of the context in which you find yourself.
It also seems to me that she is very much aware of your attraction to her if she is wearing sexy tight shorts etc around your apartment. Sounds like a real co*ck teaser. If you combine that with what seems to be your excessive sex drive she will trap you sooner or later and the brown stuff will really hit the fan.
I was going to ignore your post but so many things in your last post were just silly and offensive. I work here and I am striving to uplift the life of filipinos and not exploit them. Paying above award wages is NOT exploiting them as you suggested.
Member #4387
08-11-15, 04:31
I was going to ignore your post but so many things in your last post were just silly and offensive. I work here and I am striving to uplift the life of filipinos and not exploit them. Paying above award wages is NOT exploiting them as you suggested.I am so sorry as my comment regarding exploiting people was meant for the one example keeping the nanny curfew for a month x one Sunday a month which she have off. That was where my exploit comment was directed at.
I am fully aware of the level a nanny/maid is usually paid and we paying a lot more(me and the phil mother chip in 50/50). I simply can not help it, but having a nanny and letting her out of the house only one small day each month, seems like prison to me. I know i pushed this pay to a great extent but to my defends i did pimp up her salary long time before i did see her. It was the phil mother employing her. Lets stay in peace brother.
I guess a lot of those couples avoiding eye contact with other couples in the Sogo lobbies are using the usual arrangements haha.
Why avoid eye contact? There's an opportunity to scope a new girl in the lobby or even arrange an ad hoc group event if that's your thing. ;)
Of course Sogo or any other hotel will work, but there is more uncertainty of room availability at a hot sheet hotel plus the time spent in commute, getting the room, etc. If you're on a tight leash at work but have the p15-30k needed for a basic studio it seems to be the better alternative provided you have a lot of hook ups.
I am so sorry as my comment regarding exploiting people was meant for the one excample keeping the nanny curfued for a month x one Sunday a month which she have off. That was where my exploit comment was directed at.
I simply can not help it, but having a nanny and letting her out of the house only one small day each month, seems like prison to me. Most would agree with you, but your example is surely an isolated case. It's no reason to over-compensate your maid / nanny just because some other maid is mis-treated.
I am fully aware of the level a nanny/maid is usually paid and we paying a lot more(me and the phil mother chip in 50/50). I know i pushed this pay to a great extent but to my defends i did pimp up her salary long time before i did see her. It was the phil mother employing her. Lets stay in peace brother.I am very much in peace, because I know (and so does my maid) that she is doing very well compared to all of her fellow maids in my condo anyway.
I am still puzzled why you feel obliged to tell the world how you give your maid 30,000 php per month and 2 days off each week Skog. It seems like you are flaunting your wealth and want us all to know what a generous guy you are. If I gave my maid that sort of excessive largesse I would certainly keep it very quiet, especially on this forum.
Anyway. I will drop it now. As I have said twice before; it's your business what you do.
I pay my maid three million per month. Dollars. Cook her delicious, 7-course meals; at least one of the dishes is always garnished with gold leaf. Even read her goodnight stories. In the yes-princess-dreams-do-come-true castle I've had built for her.
You capitalist exploiters are all some tight basterds. Try having some compassion.
I have actually wanted to meet some regular girls as tired of the same and stupid young bar types. Been playing on Badoo.
Well, turns out most of the girls I meet in the end have a price! Of course, its the Philippines. I have not meet any yet but one said no to 1,500.00. I said no issue see ya.
Don't now if anybody is using the site but its kind of ok. I plan to meet some girls soon and see what happens.
FritsVanegter
08-12-15, 11:15
Hello,
I have been using philipinekisses website but I think no matter what website you will be using most of the ladies are not that bright if you look at them with western eyes. There might be ' regular ' girls available for sex but if they accept your money I consider them the same as a bargirl.
If you meet a regular girl and will spend all day with her at your expense and hoping in the end of the day you can have sex it would have to be a very nice lady. If at night you find out she never did give a blowjob and is not willing to let you teach her? Next day she will keep texting and calling you while you did decide to meet a new girl.
At least most bargirls know how to do a BJ and will understand that next day you want to try another one.
I think here there are only a few members who did succeed meeting regular girls (if they arrive on time LOL).
Of course one can always try. Good luck.
Greetings,
Frits
Member #4387
08-12-15, 14:05
Today I kicked our well overpaid nanny out of the apartment so she can have days off until Monday. I guess that was my only chance not to do her. The phil mother is now sure me and nanny had sex (even if we didn't) as I was stupid and told her how the nanny dressed while mopping floors. Problem solved anyway and I, believe it or not, made it through my days with her in the apartment (me mostly at office or in bedroom but still) without anything sexual happenings. For the future i think I will only stay there when mother is present as then it is easier to overcome my maid horniness.
Me and the phil mother do sex sometimes as well as she now got what she wanted. A baby. I mostly can not say no. I managed with the nanny though so I guess I have some moral (weak but still). It felt to strange with only me and baby present.
Tomorrow the real mongering can start. 5 days encounting with a very busy schedule. I do hope mothers inbound Dubai flight is not cancelled. That could be a hell of a twist to my monger schedule - maid having days off and all that shit..
Cool Traveler
08-12-15, 17:34
It sounds like she wants you.
30 K per month is good. I have an on-call assistant, that does my errands in Manila, and some techie work. I pay her 20 K a month, plus expenses. The thing is that if you have it, then pay generously. She works hard, and get's things done for me. I know she will never do anything to jeopardize her job.
The thing is, in Philippines, most workers work on contract. And employers get rid of workers instead of giving raises. By you paying that much, you are guaranteed, she will never want to lose her job probably even if it includes fucking her boss.
Then if she is doing a good job, professionally, then behave professionally. As they say, don't fish in the pond you swim.
But if she is parading herself. That is for a reason. She can sense you. Most women in my opinion, especially Asian women (I am Asian), are like sharks. They can smell the blood. She can smell you a mile away. Does she dress this way, when your Phil wife is around? If she does not, then that is proof enough in the pudding. Eat the pudding.
Meet her outside and have a chat with her. And set some rules engagement, whether it includes you boning her or not. If your Phil wife finds out, that nanny is gone, like a bolt of lightning, leaving behind an aftermath of charred remains.
Today I kicked our well overpaid nanny out of the apartment so she can have days off until Monday. I guess that was my only chance not to do her. The phil mother is now sure me and nanny had sex (even if we didn't) as I was stupid and told her how the nanny dressed while mopping floors. Problem solved anyway and I, believe it or not, made it through my days with her in the apartment (me mostly at office or in bedroom but still) without anything sexual happenings. For the future i think I will only stay there when mother is present as then it is easier to overcome my maid horniness.
Me and the phil mother do sex sometimes as well as she now got what she wanted. A baby. I mostly can not say no. I managed with the nanny though so I guess I have some moral (weak but still). It felt to strange with only me and baby present.
Tomorrow the real mongering can start. 5 days encounting with a very busy scehduel. I do hope mothers inbound Dubai flight is not cancelled. That could be a hell of a twist to my monger scheduel - maid having days off and all that shit..
Skogis,
To me it doesn't matter to me where, what, why or how you spend your money. Sometimes we don't see eye to eye on some things. But doing your nanny / maid would be a disaster for your Phil family, especially if there is some kind of bonding between nanny and child.
I am willing to help you out next time you kick her out. You can send her to me and I will try my best. Just some constructive food for thought sir.
DG8787.
Member #4387
08-13-15, 05:35
Skogis,
To me it doesn't matter to me where, what, why or how you spend your money. Sometimes we don't see eye to eye on some things. But doing your nanny / maid would be a disaster for your Phil family, especially if there is some kind of bonding between nanny and child.
I am willing to help you out next time you kick her out. You can send her to me and I will try my best. Just some constructive food for thought sir.
DG8787.DG8787 I like your style even if your harsh sometimes. I guess the nanny / maid will stay with us as long as we like her too as she is doing the fine job. She's even providing me wine without asking for reimbursments. Chianti, yey This kind of salary keeps her off the monger market. She obviously have a BF but as rule are set he is, phil guy, not suppose to set foot in either our apartment nor her own maid quarter. She follows this rule as it would be stupid of her not to. This is my rule and mother does not agree but as I pay 50% of all expenses rentwice I aet this rule. I don't trust so much if you catch my drift?.
It sounds like she wants you.
30 K per month is good. I have an on-call assistant, that does my errands in Manila, and some techie work. I pay her 20 K a month, plus expenses. The thing is that if you have it, then pay generously. She works hard, and get's things done for me. I know she will never do anything to jeopardize her job.
The thing is, in Philippines, most workers work on contract. And employers get rid of workers instead of giving raises. By you paying that much, you are guaranteed, she will never want to lose her job probably even if it includes fucking her boss.
Then if she is doing a good job, professionally, then behave professionally. As they say, don't fish in the pond you swim.
But if she is parading herself. That is for a reason. She can sense you. Most women in my opinion, especially Asian women (I am Asian), are like sharks. They can smell the blood. She can smell you a mile away. Does she dress this way, when your Phil wife is around? If she does not, then that is proof enough in the pudding. Eat the pudding.
Meet her outside and have a chat with her. And set some rules engagement, whether it includes you boning her or not. If your Phil wife finds out, that nanny is gone, like a bolt of lightning, leaving behind an aftermath of charred remains.Doing her, even if I would very much like to do that, would be stupid and simply wrong. My lust rised ofcourse and I have from good reports heard mother have called the nanny and directed her into not wearing enthusiastic clothings while I am around. I guess the mother knows me a bit by now. A good call if I may say so even if it works against my lust.
20-30 k keeps them happy and she relates to my baby in the best ways in which are the most important thing to me and no money can never value this. I strongly want to adjust the viewers as I am only paying 50% of the maids / nanny costs. Ok, I admit I was the one pimping the sum up, and I related this to the cost of good nanny services in Norway and then deducted my initial ammount quite a bit, this beeing phils and all, but mother would pay her only 10 k and still, even if some here find that stupid high, this money are well spend. One of my best investments ever, even if it does not envolve cashflow the right direction (into my pockets).
As I respect punter like RK, Westie, Huts etc quite a lot for valuable info in this fora we simply have to agree to disagree regarding this matter. My baby will have the best attending possible and that I pay for with no regrets. I still find it very cheap (sorry).
As I respect punter like RK, Westie, Huts etc quite a lot for valuable info in this fora we simply have to agree to disagree regarding this matter. I'm very much on the side of freedom. A person should be able to spend as much or as little as he sees fit. Outside of slavery, a transaction between a buyer and seller is a meeting of the minds. The maid can decide for herself whether 3k, 6k, or 30k is acceptable to her. At times in my life I've sold my labour cheaply because I foresaw other non-wage benefits, and at other times I've been obscenely overpaid - the latter is better, btw. I'm not one to call a person a Cheap Charlie except in jest. Nor do I object to someone "over paying", though I might teasingly call him a tight basterd - again, in jest. A while back I posted the official minimum wage for live-in domestics and it's less than p1000 per month. So you are all over paying your help. ;)
Me? I take care of all my household chores. Why? Some bad experiences with live-in maids in the Middle East. But really I prefer to be nude in my place, fart in peace, and pick my nose. By having a maid around I'd end up shooting my loads all over her a few times a day and there wouldn't be any left for the visitors - you know how they complain and get suspicious when your deposit is a merely a few clear drips. These girls want to see streams of milky ropes shot powerfully across the room. Every month or two I hire 2-3 people to come in and give everything a more thorough cleaning and scrub the dried cum off the ceiling, and no, I don't ejaculate all over them. Tempting though.
GoodEnough
08-13-15, 11:54
So long as there's no coercion involved, I believe people should do what they want to do. I have two helpers, one extremely pretty and one not so much. There's no question of any sex, given that my asawa of 10+ years would surely object, but they do a great job of taking care of us and the dog (Great Dane), keeping the house immaculate and for that they each get Php5,000 a month plus room and board and a day or two off per week. They don't cook; simply because I don't want them to as it's our hobby, sometching we do together and I detest the local food. Their salaries are, by Davao standards, considered excellent given that the prevailing wage here is Php2-3,000 a month. In all the years I've lived here, and among all the maids who have worked for me, only one stole anything.
GE.
MrWoolyBooly
08-13-15, 12:09
If your Phil wife finds out, that nanny is gone, like a bolt of lightning, leaving behind an aftermath of charred remains.My pinoy ex-bro-in-law's pinay GF caught him with another woman. By chance it was a week before he was scheduled to go to the US for the first time on business, freshly stamped visa in his passport. In front of everybody the upset GF grabbed his passport and ripped it into pieces while yelling at him. Apparently, his Tagalog version of "Calm down, let's talk about this, honey," wasn't working. After throwing the passport confetti in his face, she grabbed a big pair of scissors with a wild look in her eyes. Instead of poking holes in the guy, she grabbed into his closet pulling out all his stylish clothes (he's a male GQ fashionista) and goes nuts randomly cutting holes, slices or pieces of everything in his wardrobe. A couple months later they were officially a couple, although he'll never stop sleeping around, and she'd no doubt move up with the first opportunity. Hilarious to observe, probably not so much to participate.
Moral #1: Don't get caught.
Moral #2: Keep the passport in a safe place.
Member #4387
08-14-15, 12:34
Mother returning from businesstrip and I could taxi myself to my hideoutplace in Makati. So far as in scheduel unknown to mankind I did 8 girls in only 20 hours. The logistic around it is not hazzlefree but when they arrive the sessions are great. They last shorter bcs of my busy scheduel. I am not interested anymore to do the smalltalks except from initial "hellos" and "how are you". Ofcourse its some babbly babbly going on but I don't pay to much attention. Get them undressed and down to business. Well, one of the 8 girls did have menstruation (atleast the endings of her period) so that left an unnoticed mark on the bedsheets. This i did not notice until my next visitor spotted this. I told her the truth as my previous visitor did have menstruation. The lie here was "we did not fuck". We obviously did as the bloodspots came after fucking.
By the way, I was ofcourse not able to pop all 8 times / girls, but managed to atleast do them all ladies good. They left happy and well pleased as me ID think.
Next arrival in 20 minutes, then 9 pm then 11 pm (overnighter, dinner incl). Its all a game, I would never wNt to relate to any of these girls as so far 7 out of 8 is in relationship with pinoy / foreign guy. Thats one hell of some stats. Relationship or relationship atleast they told me openly I have foreign sponsor to put me through UNI. This is not bragging as I feel only sad for the gullible guys out there providing there lovlelies with gifts and whatever and thinking they arw true to them. Well, I meet mostly what we would consider good girls as in they educate themselfs and have plans for the future (most of them 7 out of 8 wants to go abroad). This only what I was able to find oit during 20 hrs. I wonder how the next 4 days will be like.
e, I would never wNt to relate to any of these girls as so far 7 out of 8 is in relationship with pinoy / foreign guy. Thats one hell of some stats. Relationship or relationship atleast they told me openly I have foreign sponsor to put me through UNI. This is not bragging as I feel only sad for the gullible guys out there providing there lovlelies with gifts and whatever and thinking they arw true to them. Well, I meet mostly what we would consider good girls as in they educate themselfs and have plans for the future (most of them 7 out of 8 wants to go abroad). This only what I was able to find oit during 20 hrs. I wonder how the next 4 days will be like.I did something close. Every day 2-3 different girls for 5 days and I did not even want to see a woman for a day. It was a total time off for me. Scheduling can be tricky but thanks to technology and CRM skills.
Member #4387
08-15-15, 08:44
I did something close. Every day 2-3 different girls for 5 days and I did not even want to see a woman for a day. It was a total time off for me. Scheduling can be tricky but thanks to technology and CRM skills.I tune my mind into meeting loads of girls before arriving. Having them come and go like I do makes me more and more tired from them believe it or not. My trick is the overnighters as they are more wellscreened girls and can withhold a convo outside the "how are you", "are you single", married or not", "huh" etc area. If I stay up to 10 days (that's all I can handle in phils) I allways have a restingday and me time only in the middle. For my 3 to 5/6 days stay (most of them) I can deal with them but I get more and more kranky towards the end. I party party hard, get to little sleep, all their texts starts to eat me up inside, all their repeatadly "where you stay"(even if I told them multiple times allready) killing me. I have to fight myself to keep a straight face and beeing nice to them girls. Even if it sounds strange I can actually think thoughts I miss my GF back home and I can not get home soon enough. When this happens I know its time to leave. What I hope for the most is a direct flight from Oslo to Manila. The numbers of pinays in my country builds up and rumors tells me that a Norwegian LCC are planning for this in the future (airline called Norwegian as well). Probably not daily flights but 3 times a week I guess would be possible. Atleast I could sleep for a good 13/14 hrs without having to wake up for changing flight in Dubai, Amsterdam, Istanbul or Bangkok.
I like pc way of closing his postings so I start my self (sorry pc).
Skoggy out.
Member #4387
08-15-15, 09:04
In my last stay a couple of weeks back I hooked up with a bisexual girl (beeing mostly lesbo). This trip we planned into having a session with her GF as well. Very horny girl which missed dick so badly and it showed when she arrived last time. A steamy seasion and almost embarresingly loud noise from her. This meeting she arrived with her GF. I could early sense that she was nervous. According to intel provided to me she did a guy many years ago but after this she stick to girls. She was not sure she wanted to play and I had to show my dick. Sadly my dick (not that big at all but I would guess normal as in average) could not stay small so when I showed my dick to her it was hard allready and this scared her from having session. Her GF tried to convince her (and me to I might add) it was a nice dick and that I play fairly good (I was happy to hear that).
Even so the session went on without the real lesbo participating. We did the tablefucking in the livingroom so she could watch and I put out some tous as well. The bisexual was still very nice and loud. This woke lesbo up and she atleast wanted to taste her GF so she sucked my dick. I tried and tried to convince her to join in but she stood her ground. Fair enough.
Still a nice out of the box kind of session.
Skoggy out.
Even so the session went on without the real lesbo participating. We did the tablefucking in the livingroom so she could watch and I put out some tous as well. The bisexual was still very nice and loud. This woke lesbo up and she atleast wanted to taste her GF so she sucked my dick. I tried and tried to convince her to join in but she stood her ground. Fair enough.
Still a nice out of the box kind of session.
Skoggy out.
Sounds like a nice time anyway. I had some sisters the early in my visit and it was all good.
PC out.
CallSign Papa
08-15-15, 17:03
Had a great weekend in Makati, checked out the following venues:
Pangaea / Chaos. Thursday night, mediumly busy, Pangaea because of the way it's set up is mostly big bunches of friends, but there were a few pairs of girls hanging by the bar, none of them obviously P4P, I met a petite little thing who was quite cute and had a mischievous glint in her eye, chatted for a while, bought her a drink and realised what a huge mistake I'd made. She was like velcro, permanently attached to me for 30 minutes. My spidey sense was tingling like crazy and I eventually went to the restroom and then quietly bailed and went to Chaos, which wasn't so busy. Met two girls at the bar, one very drunk, one very cute, we went to get something to eat at the cafe opposite and tried to sober her friend up. I was about to bail again (having sorted the bill) when the cute one suggested continuing the party at my condo which we did. The benefit of a two bedroom condo is that her friend could go pass out, which allowed the two of us to get properly acquainted in ways the bible does and does not approve of.
Heckle & Jeckle. Friday evening, headed here after work, it's at the back of Burgos on Felipe Street. It's a no-frills sports bar and on Friday evening is a mix of office girls blowing off steam and girls about to start shifts in the nearby bars. I have a crush on one of the barmaids who used to be a waitress at Hooters in Poblacion before its sad demise. J kept me company whilst I sank a few SMs Super Drys and even tried to facilitate a few introductions, but as this was the first of a few bars I planned on being in, I was happy just to be polite and friendly without taking any numbers.
Prive. Friday night, I'd been told by a colleague that since the new ownership about 5 months ago, Prive had become a magnet for P4P girls. Headed there for about 11 pm, to find the same old club with the same crowd. Luckily I liked it how it was but couldn't seem to find a girl who was struck my fancy (and could be separated from the herd). Prive is small venue but I've had some pretty good luck there in past times. I left about 2 am and called a girl I'd met on my last trip, she arrived at 3 am and jolly nice time was had by all.
Mulligans. Saturday afternoon, Howzat sports bar gets more attention but I have a soft spot for Mulligans on Kalayaan. It was dead quiet when I arrived at 3 pm, only the girls behind the bar and me. Luckily one of them was young and cute, but a little too green. Nevertheless a relaxing way to pass a few hours. I've been in on a Friday and Saturday night and the atmosphere is pretty good, plenty of P4P girls hanging out looking for an easy pick up.
Valkyrie. Goddamn I love this place. Not quite so keen on the Palace Pool Club, but Valkyrie is a target rich environment! I'd met a girl on Tinder who was bored and was planning on hanging out there saturday night, her photos looked pretty good, although of course, she was a little chubbier in real life, marginally hot though. We met outside and went in, which was the first time I've paid to get inside (1000, with two drinks). The place was packed, albeit quite a young crowd. We hung out with some of her friends and had a pretty good time. Then another of her friends showed up and I was immediately sure that I absolutely definitely had to bang her no matter what.
Being a sneaky little sod, I managed to pull off some impressive verbal gymnastics with the girl I'd arrived with (along the lines of "wow, I get a great best mate feeling with you") and was then able to take a crack at Ann. 31 years old, no kids, recently returned from Singapore, 5' 7", slim, with amazing albeit small cleavage. After a few round of tequila and some beers she mentioned she was going to Gramercy and invited me to tag along. In Gramercy we couldn't find her friends, they weren't answer their phones or had already left, so I suggested a final drink and then maybe a nightcap at my place just around the corner in Rockwell. As she lives in Alabang she seemed happy at the suggestion and it wasn't long before we were making out like teenagers on my sofa. When I finally got her out of the dress that had being driving me crazy since I first spied her I noticed two things, 1, the cleavage was all assisted and disappeared without a trace, but was forgive by the face that she had an ass I will remember on my death bed.
We ended up hanging out most of Sunday before I had to leave, with at least two journeys back to my condo so we could play hide the chorizo.
I think I'm probably the polar opposite to Skogis who is to be admired for the sheer volume of poontang he can nail. I'm more of a winer and and diner, bit of romance to add some heat to the naughty stuff. To each his own.
Couple of other points:
At the moment when it rains it RAINS. Usually late afternoon, sometimes for an hour, sometimes for a few, so be prepared.
Grabtaxi is a pretty good app in the Makati / Rockwell area and really comes into its own at Rush Hour.
Had a meeting at Resort World and thought I'd swing by where Republiq used to be. It's now a gastrobar called Universe, pretty bland, ok food. Not a worthy replacement for what went before, if you ask me.
Member #4387
08-15-15, 19:17
Sounds like a nice time anyway. I had some sisters the early in my visit and it was all good.
PC out.You are probably allready aware that the sis expression here in phils are quite blurred as this lesbo couple funny enough called themself sisters. Normaly close friends or just friends call themself sisters. Ofcourse also real sisters call themself the same.
Skoggy out.
Member #4698
08-15-15, 21:37
Had a great weekend in Makati, checked out the following venues:
Pangaea / Chaos. Thursday night, mediumly busy, Pangaea because of the way it's set up is mostly big bunches of friends, but there were a few pairs of girls hanging by the bar, none of them obviously P4P, I met a petite little thing who was quite cute and had a mischievous glint in her eye, chatted for a while, bought her a drink and realised what a huge mistake I'd made. She was like velcro, permanently attached to me for 30 minutes. My spidey sense was tingling like crazy and I eventually went to the restroom and then quietly bailed and went to Chaos, which wasn't so busy. Met two girls at the bar, one very drunk, one very cute, we went to get something to eat at the cafe opposite and tried to sober her friend up. I was about to bail again (having sorted the bill) when the cute one suggested continuing the party at my condo which we did. The benefit of a two bedroom condo is that her friend could go pass out, which allowed the two of us to get properly acquainted in ways the bible does and does not approve of.
Another good field report CallSignPapa. I enjoy reading them.
Being a big fan of CJ's at the Mulia Hotel in Jakarta, I am looking forward to checking out Pangaea / Chaos at City of Dreams on my next trip. To that end I have split my upcoming Manila time in two parts, staying the first part in Makati at the Fairmont and then later staying on the bay at the Sofitel.
Concerning your two sexy friends from Chaos: did you shag them both (the drunk one in the morning)? Were your girls pros, semi pros, or amateurs. If professional, how much did you give the "very cute" girl? I understand City of Dream FL's ask between 5000 p and 8000 p.
Engine Driver
08-16-15, 06:11
20-30 k keeps them happy and she relates to my baby in the best ways in which are the most important thing to me and no money can never value this. I strongly want to adjust the viewers as I am only paying 50% of the maids / nanny costs. Ok, I admit I was the one pimping the sum up, and I related this to the cost of good nanny services in Norway and then deducted my initial ammount quite a bit, this beeing phils and all, but mother would pay her only 10 k and still, even if some here find that stupid high, this money are well spend. One of my best investments ever, even if it does not envolve cashflow the right direction (into my pockets).Skogis, I always find your reports from Makati most entertaining and amusing. Your mongering life is what many of us aspire to if we had the time and opportunity. Well done Sir.
Having been an expatriate in Asia before, I know the mistake many people make is to apply Western values to Asian life. Good intentioned foreigners arrive each day with the mission of changing the social order. Skogis, you come from a country with many angry left-wing, socialist do-gooders just like me. Therefore, after years of social conditioning, it is natural to think people in Asia are being exploited, ripped off and poorly treated when compared to the working conditions in the home country. The best thing you can do is go with the established standards otherwise it disrupts too many lives. Overpaying your nanny five times the going rate is probably not going to guarantee a better level of service for your daughter, but I know that you can reconcile this because of that.
My guess is your babys mother is pocketing her half or getting back most of it in a kickback.Skogis, this was also my first reaction. Given that your Phils baby's mama is an educated professional woman, I am surprised she is OK with you paying five times the normal amount. Surely she would know the problems of overpaying domestic staff.
I am not used to be referred to as the boss and I told her to just call me xxxx but then she started with the Sir crap. I told her to just use my name or "hey you". I like it informal and she seems to get it now.This is not a good idea. People in Asia expect leadership from the employer and for the employer to be in control. By trying to treat domestic workers as your equal causes confusion and disrupts the established hierarchy. They will not be comfortable and you risk being thought of as a pushover. You can still be respectful and be in charge. In the military, the officer is addressed by the troops as "Sir". Why isn't everyone in the military equal? Because this would be chaotic and disruptive to enforcing discipline.
At the end of the day, you can do whatever you like. We just don't want to read that you took the nanny to the Hermes store in Greenbelt and bought her a Birkin bag because you felt sorry for her. LOL
Member #4387
08-16-15, 08:49
At the end of the day, you can do whatever you like. We just don't want to read that you took the nanny to the Hermes store in Greenbelt and bought her a Birkin bag because you felt sorry for her. LOLYes it boiles down to this as this is a choice me and the mother stand behind. Mother knows many thing about phils but are ofcourse influated by staying many many years abroad in the west and grew up in family with rather western mindset as well. She is not typical happy with many things going on in phils (payment beeing one of them, even if she earns quite a lot herself working in big corporation). Atleast we know we have a maid / nanny who will stay with us as long as we want and we have discussed many of the points marked out by you and others here but still landed on we want our daughter to have the best care possible. I am sure a nanny / maid comming cheaper would do just as a fine job. Our nanny has stayed with us long time allready and she is humble and knows she is lucky. She does not ask for anything but we are kind (maybe stupidly so be it).
As soon as I figure out how to do it, informing my GF back home and everything, this phil baby is out of phils and brought into Norway. This can ofcourse take sometime as I have no idea how I will break this "breaking news" to my norwegian GF (the extra daughter beeing a result of my cheating and everything). One day I will just come clear I guess.
Except from the nice pukies I despite many things here in phils and its only my daughter making me travel constantly back here. Situation beeing as it is I guess we could call it a win win situation, hehe. If I could I would kept my mongering to south america (Colombia and Venezuela where I have stayed a few years when I was younger).
Relax I will never take the maid to Hermes.
Skoggy out.
Already planning a possible early Nov trip back to Makati and then Cebu.
Skoggy, lets try to hook up and try out a 6-some LOL.
PC out.
CallSign Papa
08-16-15, 19:19
Concerning your two sexy friends from Chaos: did you shag them both (the drunk one in the morning)? Were your girls pros, semi pros, or amateurs. If professional, how much did you give the "very cute" girl? I understand City of Dream FL's ask between 5000 p and 8000 p.Thanks Natty. The drunk girl really wasn't much to look at, and was doing her best to be a considerable cock-block, but things went my way luckily. The cute one, Shela, wasn't obviously P4 P, but if she was I'd've gladly paid. When she declined 1000 taxi money the next morning I was sure she'd be a keeper and have her on Facebook now so we'll meet up again next trip. I did eventually sneak the 1000 into her bag before she left. Don't feel too bad for her though, I picked up all the drinks in Chaos and food after, which probably came to 4 k in total.
I've not really seen any P4 P in Pangaea, but I'd guess you'd be about right for Chaos. Definitely 5 K+ in Gramercy. But some of them, damn, they'd be worth every peso.
Member #4387
08-17-15, 11:05
Great summary Callsign of venues worth hitting up for those enjoying the clubbing scene. Valkyrie and Gramercy is now my prefered choices as I in so e ways have run tired from Prive. Some good choices and my last visit was there in May I think. I brought a girl so I did not screen the crowd closely except I saw some known faces and atleast one obvious workinggirl (atleast she was before called Katethegreat). Luckely or whatever you call it I did her many years ago before she became to proffesional. Still we nod eachother, hehe. Truth to be told she is probably more what you can call on the look for a sugardaddy these days.
Valkyrie and Gramercy is top notch to my likings. I did a Valkyrie pick up last month and here I haven't spotted girls labeled as workinggirls. Lines beeing blurred and all that taken into consideration. Great place and I will visit the pool club on a later occation. (thanks Huts for information). Just need a girl who I will be sure can take in the more Hi so vibe as a champ so I will look a bit into my fleet but I guess I have a few regulars who will fit right in (and maybe allready been there?
Gramercy have allways treated me kindly and loads of fun can be had there. You have obviously some working crowd going together in large groups. If you not into BG's be aware I have from good intel some can come from those bars and into mention place after been working for a while. If no success at Gramercy they can later be met at TIME. There are also many ordinary girls present here. How to screen them out I mostly use the my experience as working girls have their own way of "aggressivly" use their eyes looking for prey. Normal girls will be more shy.
The two mentioned clubs at City of Dreams I've only visited twice while staying at the hotel myself. Only brought one girl but before her I was quoted both 3 and 4 thousands from some obvious FL girls (1 in each place). The girl I finaly chose was from Pangaea. Yes many groups of friends there but still available girls in those groups for pick up. But not staying at one of the 3 hotels in City of Dreams I would not bother to visit them places.
All places mentioned have some sort of dress code. So shorts and flip flops seems not the way to go. Atleast I never saw someone in such wear and I never did myself so normal clothing and a jeans I guess is the way to go.
Member #4387
08-17-15, 11:19
Already planning a possible early Nov trip back to Makati and then Cebu.
Skoggy, lets try to hook up and try out a 6-some LOL.
PC out.Hehe 6 some would be a record as I so far did a so so 5 some (not fully). Even if I have made trips twice a month the last 3 months I don't know how my autumn will look like. I have to make my ms GF happy as well and she requires a real holiday at some point now (just me and her). I think LOS Angeles will be great as we both have friends there and some side trips on my behalf to LAS would be in order. I miss Hard Rock Hotels famous nightclub "Body English" - did have loads of fun there.
November will be, as you understand, to far away on my behalf to plan as I book my Manila trips when windows open (1-5 days ahead). But I am sure I will be here also at one point in November. Lets see.
Skoggy out.
Hehe 6 some would be a record as I so far did a so so 5 some (not fully). Even if I have made trips twice a month the last 3 months I don't know how my autumn will look like. I have to make my ms GF happy as well and she requires a real holiday at some point now (just me and her). I think LOS Angeles will be great as we both have friends there and some side trips on my behalf to LAS would be in order. I miss Hard Rock Hotels famous nightclub "Body English" - did have loads of fun there.
November will be, as you understand, to far away on my behalf to plan as I book my Manila trips when windows open (1-5 days ahead). But I am sure I will be here also at one point in November. Lets see.
Skoggy out.I live in LA and am here quite abit when I'm not somewhere else haha. I also plan on being in Vegas at some point as well. Who knows maybe we can meet up at Hard Rock. Being a veteran in Vegas, the Phls is the place to monger, not Vegas in both selection and pricing. IMHO
PC out.
Member #4387
08-17-15, 16:24
I live in LA and am here quite abit when I'm not somewhere else haha. I also plan on being in Vegas at some point as well. Who knows maybe we can meet up at Hard Rock. Being a veteran in Vegas, the Phls is the place to monger, not Vegas in both selection and pricing. IMHO
PC out.Me also beeing a veteran mongerer in LAS and mentioned place and nightclub, why not. I am not budget sensitive at all and enjoy Vegas more than phils actually. Dating here girls have more respect of time etc so they die to be on time. Sometimes me and friends have been to some underground clubs in LA and invited girls comming to our hub in Vegas and it has never failed (they come from all origins, asian, south american and native americans). Great fun.
Me also beeing a veteran mongerer in LAS and mentioned place and nightclub, why not. I am not budget sensitive at all and enjoy Vegas more than phils actually. Dating here girls have more respect of time etc so they die to be on time. Sometimes me and friends have been to some underground clubs in LA and invited girls comming to our hub in Vegas and it has never failed (they come from all origins, asian, south american and native americans). Great fun.True Pinay gals have no clue on time LOL however they do stay longer.
Vegas girls are all greedy bitches who care little about service unless you are dropping 500 or more and even than its iffy.
PC out.
WestCoast1
08-18-15, 01:32
True Pinay gals have no clue on time LOL however they do stay longer.
Vegas girls are all greedy bitches who care little about service unless you are dropping 500 or more and even than its iffy.
PC out.Buddy of mine hits LV a lot. He met a girl there he wanted me to meet, about 8 months ago. Once we were in town, he took me to the nightclub to meet her. She's black, hot. He originally said she was mid 20's, and I thought hooker, as he's approaching 60. When we met in the dark club, I got close to her face as we departed and I said goodbye into her ear. A close look at the face, her mannerisms, led me to think she's in her mid-30's and appears younger from makeup and a toned body. I told him she's a hooker and he said he suspected. Once back at the hotel he was trying to entice her to come to his room. Finally she txt: "Make me an offer I can't refuse". We laughed. He splayed seven $100 bills on the bed and took a picture, then txt her the pic. She sent back: "Haha you want me to send my gramma to your hotel?" The place is out of control.
Buddy of mine hits LV a lot. He met a girl there he wanted me to meet, about 8 months ago. Once we were in town, he took me to the nightclub to meet her. She's black, hot. He originally said she was mid 20's, and I thought hooker, as he's approaching 60. When we met in the dark club, I got close to her face as we departed and I said goodbye into her ear. A close look at the face, her mannerisms, led me to think she's in her mid-30's and appears younger from makeup and a toned body. I told him she's a hooker and he said he suspected. Once back at the hotel he was trying to entice her to come to his room. Finally she txt: "Make me an offer I can't refuse". We laughed. He splayed seven $100 bills on the bed and took a picture, then txt her the pic. She sent back: "Haha you want me to send my gramma to your hotel?" The place is out of control.My home town in USA is LV while I live in USA. My ex is a manager of one of the top hotels in LV. Apparently most folks don't know Vegas and they get taken in Vegas. There are lots of opportunities in Las Vegas for mongering instead of paying to hookers. Some of them going to social clubs and also know which lounges to hang around to meet the locals.
Member #4387
08-18-15, 03:36
True Pinay gals have no clue on time LOL however they do stay longer.
Vegas girls are all greedy bitches who care little about service unless you are dropping 500 or more and even than its iffy.
PC out.Well I've had loads of fun in Vegas and drops nothing on girls at all here (well ofcourse some btl service and fingerfoods at times). This beeing the western world and all I don't give girls a daim here. I don't do prostitutes. But maybe the prostitutes are greedy. In LV there are enough horny groups of girls comming in from all over. Many are fine with ONS (which is what I call it in the western world).
Skoggy out.
Well I've had loads of fun in Vegas and drops nothing on girls at all here (well ofcourse some btl service and fingerfoods at times). This beeing the western world and all I don't give girls a daim here. I don't do prostitutes. But maybe the prostitutes are greedy. In LV there are enough horny groups of girls comming in from all over. Many are fine with ONS (which is what I call it in the western world).
Skoggy out.Just referring to WGs and massage therapist. You can see I post on the Vegas site on USASG as well for years. Not discounting you can have fun with many young Cali gals but most come here to sell their pussies and catch up on their bills. That's just my 20 yrs plus here my take but I don't really hang out in bars here.
PC out.
Hi guys,
This is my first time here in this form.
I'm going to Manila next week with friends, any recommendations for night clubs + massage parlours with HJ?
Any feedback will be appreciated.
Thanks.
Can you read? How lazy are you?
Wicked Roger
08-18-15, 22:46
Can you read? How lazy are you?LOL Slippery, nice reply makes a change from RTFF.
In the UAE forum there are many of similar FRs the posters are dubbed 'manager' class. As they delegate everything thinking people are at their beck and call.
Stephen. If you RTFF and look for "give and take" you will a few FRs (one by me also). Suggest yo find those posts and read it, digest it etc.
The h\Philippine forum has lots of very interesting and relevant information related your first FR. Try the search function and you will see.
Hope I don't get the Slippery treatment, LOL.
Anyone know if Stardust show bar Makati is closed, out of business?
Thanks.
WestCoast1
08-20-15, 14:18
Hope I don't get the Slippery treatment, LOL.
Anyone know if Stardust show bar Makati is closed, out of business?
Thanks.Stardust is the place next to the midget boxing place, off the corner of Burgos / Kalayaan? I was there 2 months ago, it was up / running. But to be honest, there was a typhoon, and it rained like crazy for almost a week, and many nights there were zero gents out / about Burgos. I hit Stardust several evenings, and I was either the only customer, or one night I met 3 aussie's who walked in (I think they were the only other customers I saw).
Stardust is the place next to the midget boxing place, off the corner of Burgos / Kalayaan? I was there 2 months ago, it was up / running. But to be honest, there was a typhoon, and it rained like crazy for almost a week, and many nights there were zero gents out / about Burgos. I hit Stardust several evenings, and I was either the only customer, or one night I met 3 aussie's who walked in (I think they were the only other customers I saw).Thanks Westie, alias Mr ISG.
Going on what you say, seems rumor that it is out of business might be right. They started putting on shows Wed to Sat at Stardust Angeles, maybe that was a precursor to exiting high rent area Makati, and start entering a captive audience in Angeles?.
First experienced them at Angeles, some mighty pretty dancing girls visited Angeles and they were procurable. I noticed guys buying show girls drinks in between their excellent stage performances, and have been fantasizing buying them ladies drinks on my next trip soon.
Keep up the good work in Photo section.
And like the newbies "Give me answers to my many questions now and after trip I will post a report" LOL. Their reports, rarely to be seen, LOL. I too will place a report after my Phil reconnaisance in November, although being a Jehovah Witness devotee I am allowed to have sex, but not allowed to take photo's and post same, LOL.
If Stardust is no more, it proves once again, "do not hesitate, strike whilst the iron is hot". Some very do-able girls in Stardust line up early this year Angeles.
Full report November.
Thank you Mr ISG.
FreebieFan
08-21-15, 01:54
Hope I don't get the Slippery treatment, LOL.
Anyone know if Stardust show bar Makati is closed, out of business?
Thanks.I hope it hasnt closed, I have very fond memories of the place. Jan 1st, 2000 after all the Y2 K nonsense (remember that?) I went there. I was the only guy in the place. Many drinks were purchased and many ladies lost their clothes that night and I committed the cardinal sin of joining the ladies on stage for a few songs. Dad dancing with the cuties. LOL.
They used to have two wonderful VIP rooms upstairs where for 5 drinks anything and everything could occur.
Was out drinking with a mate there in 2002. Was his birthday at midnight so we went to VIP room with 5 ladies, and someone ordered pizza. The pizza delivery guy came up to the VIP room and was very shocked to see 2 guys and 5 naked ladies. Mouth open sort of shocked.
Hope I don't get the Slippery treatment, LOL.
Anyone know if Stardust show bar Makati is closed, out of business?
Thanks.I was in Stardust almost every night during my stay in Makati from August 14 to August 18. In this period the bar was open.
I like to bring there the girls I have barfined from other bar, to see the shows, drink some more and to be massaged.
Treehouse last night in A. Venue. Its the Saturday Squad party - (like Frisky Friday at H&J). They are having it every sat now for a while I guess. Fucking awesome, super hot girls and gorgeous freelancers. Top of the line shit. I was surprise to have a great time and talk to some hot girls. The FL were really sexy and the atmosphere great- good DJ-smoking hot Girl Squad chicks and great prices. I recommend it. Plus TIME bar and ROYAL cud are across the street. Also nice spot for FL. I'm burnt on burgous and only doing FL, s now. Working the date sites and such. I'm done paying stupid bar-fines and getting ripped off on drinks for a while. Very easy to get hot hook ups for 2,000 P with FL's through dating site. End up finding out most of them work at the bar anyways.
I hope it hasnt closed, I have very fond memories of the place. Jan 1st, 2000 after all the Y2 K nonsense (remember that?) I went there. I was the only guy in the place. Many drinks were purchased and many ladies lost their clothes that night and I committed the cardinal sin of joining the ladies on stage for a few songs. Dad dancing with the cuties. LOL.
They used to have two wonderful VIP rooms upstairs where for 5 drinks anything and everything could occur.
Was out drinking with a mate there in 2002. Was his birthday at midnight so we went to VIP room with 5 ladies, and someone ordered pizza. The pizza delivery guy came up to the VIP room and was very shocked to see 2 guys and 5 naked ladies. Mouth open sort of shocked.Its shitsville now. The stupid guy who runs it has made so many enemies no one can stand him, he is a real fuckhead! Most locals won't go there anymore and I hear its going down the tubes. The word its for sale, but could not get a real number from anyone. They need new management bad.
Great summary Callsign of venues worth hitting up for those enjoying the clubbing scene. Valkyrie and Gramercy is now my prefered choices as I in so e ways have run tired from Prive. Some good choices and my last visit was there in May I think. I brought a girl so I did not screen the crowd closely except I saw some known faces and atleast one obvious workinggirl (atleast she was before called Katethegreat). Luckely or whatever you call it I did her many years ago before she became to proffesional. Still we nod eachother, hehe. Truth to be told she is probably more what you can call on the look for a sugardaddy these days.
Valkyrie and Gramercy is top notch to my likings. I did a Valkyrie pick up last month and here I haven't spotted girls labeled as workinggirls. Lines beeing blurred and all that taken into consideration. Great place and I will visit the pool club on a later occation. (thanks Huts for information). Just need a girl who I will be sure can take in the more Hi so vibe as a champ so I will look a bit into my fleet but I guess I have a few regulars who will fit right in (and maybe allready been there?
Gramercy have allways treated me kindly and loads of fun can be had there. You have obviously some working crowd going together in large groups. If you not into BG's be aware I have from good intel some can come from those bars and into mention place after been working for a while. If no success at Gramercy they can later be met at TIME. There are also many ordinary girls present here. How to screen them out I mostly use the my experience as working girls have their own way of "aggressivly" use their eyes looking for prey. Normal girls will be more shy.
The two mentioned clubs at City of Dreams I've only visited twice while staying at the hotel myself. Only brought one girl but before her I was quoted both 3 and 4 thousands from some obvious FL girls (1 in each place). The girl I finaly chose was from Pangaea. Yes many groups of friends there but still available girls in those groups for pick up. But not staying at one of the 3 hotels in City of Dreams I would not bother to visit them places.
All places mentioned have some sort of dress code. So shorts and flip flops seems not the way to go. Atleast I never saw someone in such wear and I never did myself so normal clothing and a jeans I guess is the way to go.Great places and a nice change from "basic" girls- nice to see hot girls dressed up once in a while. Expensive places but its a lot of fun. Some super hot girls and more fun to just work on your pickup skills.
Valkyrie and Gramercy is top notch to my likings.
.Hi Skogis. You seem to have a lot of experience with Makati. I am visiting next week. I don't want to over pay the freelancers. How much have you normally been quoted at Valkyrie and Gramercy? Plus any other places you can think of.
Member #4387
08-23-15, 13:17
Hi Skogis. You seem to have a lot of experience with Makati. I am visiting next week. I don't want to over pay the freelancers. How much have you normally been quoted at Valkyrie and Gramercy? Plus any other places you can think of.Never been quoted any prices at these locations. Only got girls through normal mechanisms (which is not going for FL girls). Valkyrie I doubt have any but Gramercy I know have a few of duty BG. I guess 3 to 5000 piso would get you somewhere. Ask others for FLs as I don't do them anymore.
Dark Knight1
08-23-15, 18:32
The price for freelancers in Makati around 1. 5-6 K but that depends on where you are in Makati (Burgos vs Greenbelt) who you are and what you are to the girl.
CallSign Papa
08-25-15, 17:59
I maybe wrong, but I just don't think there are FLs in Valkyrie, it's definitely a club full of cute young things, but none that are obviously on the prowl, still worth a visit though.
The price for freelancers in Makati around 1. 5-6 K but that depends on where you are in Makati (Burgos vs Greenbelt) who you are and what you are to the girl.
Had my first FL from Badoo. Turned down by one because she wanted more than 2 k. But than got another one no issue. Turned out really well. Cute girl with a great ass. She was a bit inexperienced and insisted she does not due this much, maybe I believe her. BJ skills were not great but good. Nice legs and ass though. Great fuck and she fought it a bit but loved a finger in her ass while I fucked her, she came hard. Then acted like she didn't like the finger in her ass- I told her don't lie its ok! So far so good. Have a ton of contacts but just need to weed through them. I think its a OK site but girls are getting a bit smarter. They want more than 2 k for short time, but it also depends on how long they have been around. The ones who have been around know they can get a bit more. Newer ones are still spreading them for a bit cheaper.
Came from Davao by Air Asia. Terminal 4 landing. Terminal 4 reminded me that Philippines is a real 3rd world country. Everything gets sniffed by a dog against to drug smuggling since Davao is the place drugs come from.
Taxi ride was a tourist trap. No one in Manila almost uses taxi meters and ask ridiculous amounts. This one no different 300 p was the cost. I will be staying at New World Hotel executive floor. Since amenities are included, almost the same because for a regular room. Check-in was ok. I slept 3 hours to regain the strength after Davao City mongering.
I exchanged some messages with 27 years old mother of two. She is a stunning beauty. I had a relationship with her sister. She confided me about her falling relationship with her Chinese Singaporean husband and lack of intimacy. Apparently her sister was sharing our secrets with her and she wanted to try out with me too. But it is a little bit too risky she is always with some politicians on her Facebook pictures. I think it is something I may need to be careful about.
I went for a walk and ended up at Century City. They have a nice BBQ area and out door live band. After spending little time I went toTreeHouse Tavern. The place was fairly busy in a Thursday night packed with young Filipinos. Lots of fairly nice dressed ladies. I drunk my mango shake by observing the crowd. I was not getting too much interest but I was enjoying nice wiggling girls.
Later went to Bourgos St and listened live band at Best Western Hotel lounge. Some freelancers were hanging around. Band was so and so.
Later I went to Greenbelt 3 around 11 pm and by passed the Havana which had a big crowd of indians, Arabs and high mileage freelancers.
My choice of the bar is Spicy Fingers where they have a nice live venue with freelancers and locals. Later in the evening I hooked up with a stunning 23 yrs old along her 19 old sister who were celebrating their new jobs.
We later went to Palladium Disco and it was closed. Than we took a cab to Gramercy. By the time we arrived it was closed too (around 3 am) . However we ended up in Time disco on Makati Avenue on a walking distance. Cover charge 200 p / person and it was ok. Lots of freelancers. Dark and smokey with a rave type beats. I smelled the pot and apparently they deal it around. So, it was not a good sign.
We were tired and called the night off. I sent then to home. I am sure girls will be a great company and friends in Makati trips.
I know tonight will be a good one since my stunning chick from Cebu will be arriving. I met her on an MO2 club outing in Cebu. (It is another story).
P.S.: I wrote this FR on Evernote and copied here. Evernote is a great note taking program to do FR.
Ms Account
08-31-15, 04:18
Oil is down, commodities are down and now also stock markets are down. Burgos street prices should be next.
Background. I used to frequent Burgos in the 2007-2009 time frame. I don't remember the prices from back then. But I distinctly remembering that I felt the quality wasn't worth the price and sort of lost interest. In recent times (2014 to now) I have been visiting Philippines more regularly and generally spend 2-3 days on Burgos each trip. This FR is recent experiences on Burgos and understanding of recent prices on Burgos.
The recent addition of Kojax / HotSpot / Plan be (all under same set of owners opened 2013?) has introduced new price competitiveness on Burgos. Barfine (BF) = 2600 and ladies drink (LD) = 300. Be careful in Kojax because by default they will charge you for a more expensive LD at 400 but state you only want the 300 LD. Although there was a recent bad report on Kojax, I think the layout (easy to see most girls), the enthusiasm of the dancing (choreographed rather than lazy shuffling at most bars) and the quality of the girls combined with reasonable prices makes Kojax my preferred bar on Burgos and is 1st stop for the night. Hot Spot and Plan be don't have as good a layout but at reasonable prices also have reasonable quality girls. In the past year I would have BF'd 5-6 times from Kojax. My preferred mode of operation now is to go to Kojax at 9 pm after it first opens and if I find someone I like, BF straight away and leave the night at that. In the past I tend to trawl many bars looking for the perfect BF and end up drinking too much.
Stardust has always been a favourite of mine. The show is interesting to watch and prices are quite reasonable (BF=2500 LD=300). Layout is quite good and easy to see girls although generally I would say less lookers in Stardust than Kojax.
Jools is a strange place. I always thought it was no BF but recently girls are telling me some will BF for 3500 with LD=350. The show is very high quality here but in general the line up girls I would put lower quality looks than other bars. Generally I will always visit once each trip to watch the show.
There is a strange little bar in the lane way next to Stardust called CatHouse. They tell me it was the original bar on Burgos and is 35 years old. Very cheap beer prices (98 pesos). No official BF policy but is up to girl (although most girls are plain) and they have naughty area where BJ was quoted at 1500. More a fun place to have some cheap drinks and play pool.
I have not spent a lot of time in Bottoms Up but more recently I have frequented there. Girls in BU claim it is the most upmarket bar on Burgos. Always busy and with nearly topless uniform and quite good looking girls, I would not dispute the most upmarket bar on Burgos claim. Expensive BF=3900 and LD=390. Although it is a big bar, I don't think it is layed out very well and secondly the enthusiasm of the dancing is poor.
There is 7 bars (or is it 9?) owned by the same set of owners that are generally totally over priced (Ivory, Jungle, Montana, Fridays, Papillion, Hollywood, Dimples, ?) at LD=390, BF=3900. I think Ivory as a larger bar could justify that pricing model but most of the others are small dingy bars with low quality girls. I generally won't even go into these bars now as I refuse to pay their pricing model.
I went to String in April and they were still LD=390, BF=3900. I argued with the mamasan they were overpriced and needed to drop their prices. Well I won't claim it was my influence but when I went there last week I found they had dropped their prices to BF=3000 LD =300. I thought the quality of the girls was ok and asked for one girl to sit with me but she refused for unknown reasons. The enthusiasm of the dancing here is atrocious (talking together, reviewing their phones) and the manager really needs to put some discipline back into this place. But the reduction in price is the trend I am proposing will be the next main theme on Burgos pricing.
Went to Moulin Rouge quite late (3. 00 am) after already BFing at Kojax so was not highly motivated for any further BF. Normal prices are LD=390, BF=3900. The mamasan dropped the price all the way down to 2500 BF. Maybe just because it was late.
Visited a bar called Lucky Charm upstairs. Fairly downmarket bar in layout. Empty. But some reasonable looking girls. But prices are out of whack for the quality of the bar LD=390, BF=3900. I offered to buy two LD's but would only pay 300 but manager refused. So I walked. Talking to waitress though, she said 2 years ago their prices were 2000 BF and 200 LD and they raised them to the current prices. She was recommending to the management to drop the prices but the owner was refusing.
I have been to many of the other bars. Shampoo, Tickles, High Heels, Coyote, Rogues but not enough to comment or remember the pricing.
Can anyone enlighten me on how the prices on Burgos got so out of whack? How did the owners of Lucky Charm think they could effectively double prices a few years back? How long has the insane pricing of LD=390, BF=3900 existed for most of these small dingy poor quality girls bars like Papillion etc?
In summary, for some reason I am happier with the quality of the girls I find on Burgos now compared back to 2007-2009. But I propose Burgos prices will start falling over the next six months. The trend is there (pioneered by Kojax / Hotspot / PlanB) and the GFC2 over the next year will hit Burgos hard. I just hope most can stay open. The feedback from girls in a lot of the smaller bars (and one owner I talked to) was that customer traffic has dropped. Maybe Burgos is a better predictor of the global economy than most economic statistics.
MrWoolyBooly
08-31-15, 07:46
Venues: Alejandra Hotel, Zobel Roxas & Eurotel, Arnaiz.
1st: GF. Amazing girl who ranges from unstoppably horny to dead fish on ice. She claims all sorts of things influence the schedule, but to me it seems random. Hence, need to have other outlets.
2nd: Miss CP - 28 from Cavite. Originally met long ago in FC, chatted up in Skype. Tiny (4-10? Nice boobs for her thin frame. No way to tell she has two kids. In Skype had been reluctant to give more than a peek at the boobs, she claims because of the crowded house conditions. Of course that's an excuse. In person, though, she met me at the WalterMart across from Eurotel Makati and we proceeded directly to my room. Made the usual nonsense small talk. Supercute, perfect for shorty-lovers (not me), and willing to do anything I wanted (I don't ask for anal). Gave her 1. 5 k and she was very happy. Much more a struggling single mom looking for a discrete helpful guy than a P4 P. Decent BJ, tried her best in cowgirl, but her dimunitive legs didn't give her good range of motion. Flipped her on her back and finished with a bang. Unfortunately, I had so many either unavailable at short notice or unreliable to show up on time or at all, I had double booked Miss CP with Miss JP (next). Veterans will know Miss CP's type: kids, no prospects, will grasp at any chance. She'd be a great low-maintenance FWB or kabet / mistress for those in the market.
3rd: Miss JP - 20 from Caloocan. My phone was beeping messages non-stop during baby-making practice with Miss CP, because Miss JP was literally only 30 minutes behind her. It's kinda awkward to answer texts during sex, but I would recommend the BJ (if she has long hair) or reverse cowgirl positions as the most conducive. After finishing with Miss CP, told her all the texts were from the office needing me urgently. Got her rinsed, dressed, and out. As she crossed the street to WalterMart, I saw Miss JP already seated inside Starbucks. Had to wait at least until Miss CP rounded a corner, than met miss JP. We went up to my room literally three minutes after Miss CP had left. The hotel dudes were clearly impressed with the fast turnaround. Miss JP herself was no beauty. 5-3, average to below-average face, those small boobs that seem undeveloped but have grown as much as they ever will, nice tight body in all other regards, long hair. Started with the nonsense small talk, then she gave an impressive BJ, especially considering how I had popped just minutes ago. Top 10 BJ skills I've encountered. After that, cowgirl, then mish, then an impressive (for me, not for Skogis) 3rd pop of the day. She was the most naturally wet girl I've encountered. That was cool. Warning: Just reporting the words spoken, not to be taken as true. She told me her story of how she had a BF (aka sugar daddy) Norwegian guy renting a condo for her in CC for almost a year. The Norwegian dude started flirting or banging her classmate, then they broke up. Supposedly Norwegian guy is now badmouthing her to other potential sugar daddies. In the meantime she says she's in a "fake" fb relationship with an Australian guy. Blah blah blah, whatever. She got me off minutes after my second pop of the day, she's good in my book. Moreover, she was fine with any pics and videos I wanted to take asking only that I email them to her. I am the world's worst photographer and even worse when in a hornyfog. If I do post any, expectations for quality should be low. Miss JP went with me to the airport but stayed in the taxi and went her own way from there. I get the sense she'd like a similar sugar-daddy relationship that she had before. Interested contributing members, PM for details.
Editorial notes: In my last two trips to Metro Manila, I've met or heard of four Norwegian guys spreading their Norwegian guy love among the Pinays. Isn't the population of Norway tiny and very far away? Don't the lovely ladies in Norway notice how many of the guys are missing?
Member #4387
08-31-15, 09:14
Editorial notes: In my last two trips to Metro Manila, I've met or heard of four Norwegian guys spreading their Norwegian guy love among the Pinays. Isn't the population of Norway tiny and very far away? Don't the lovely ladies in Norway notice how many of the guys are missing?Hehe, well are we a tiny country and a small population but to the crowd out there we are more than 10 living in Norway. I think we have just hit the 5 million mark and we are a travelling people. I think I read somewhere that norwegians taking out overall population into consideration is the people who most frequent travel by air. Since we have airports travelling into Manila sometimes takes me far less time than for people living in US (depends on where in US ofcourse). We have no direct flights though but a swift change in BKK, DOH or DXB makes MNL rather easy. Remember our main airport, OSL, had well above 25 million passengers and are bigger than ARN (main airport in Sweden though they have roughly double our population). Not bad for 5 million peoples.
Has anyone been here yet? I'm hearing its like TIME. Opens at 10 pm and closes at 8 or 9 am.
Remember our main airport, OSL, had well above 25 million passengersAnd a very nice airport at that. I never bought a beer there but given alcohol prices in Norway, and that airports charge way more for pretty much anything, I would imagine I'd need a second mortgage to buy a beer in Oslo airport!
Member #4387
08-31-15, 20:17
And a very nice airport at that. I never bought a beer there but given alcohol prices in Norway, and that airports charge way more for pretty much anything, I would imagine I'd need a second mortgage to buy a beer in Oslo airport!Ahh, last time I had a beer there it was 750 pisos for a 0,5 l. Not to bad, hehe That beeing said I never complain about alcohol prices around the world as I have not found any as expensive as where I come from. I admit its crazy but the gvmnt takes high taxes especially on alcohol and tobacco (the latter I highly agree with as I don't smoke, hehe).
Ahh, last time I had a beer there it was 750 pisos for a 0,5 l. Not to bad, hehe That beeing said I never complain about alcohol prices around the world as I have not found any as expensive as where I come from. I admit its crazy but the gvmnt takes high taxes especially on alcohol and tobacco (the latter I highly agree with as I don't smoke, hehe).Ł10.45, sounds about right given I think we were paying about Ł7-8 in restaurants away from the main tourist areas. On the one hand my employer paid for our trips; on the other hand that only included alcohol that came with a meal, not for the ones afterwards! Our trips to Norway were fairly sober events. Fortunately I don't smoke!
(Sorry everybody, way off topic. I'll stop reminiscing now).
Oil is down, commodities are down and now also stock markets are down. Burgos street prices should be next.
Background. I used to frequent Burgos in the 2007-2009 time frame. I don't remember the prices from back then. But I distinctly remembering that I felt the quality wasn't worth the price and sort of lost interest. In recent times (2014 to now) I have been visiting Philippines more regularly and generally spend 2-3 days on Burgos each trip. This FR is recent experiences on Burgos and understanding of recent prices on Burgos.
Burgos hard. I just hope most can stay open. The feedback from girls in a lot of the smaller bars (and one owner I talked to) was that customer traffic has dropped. Maybe Burgos is a better predictor of the global economy than most economic statistics.The way I saw Burgos had a very little foot traffic compare to before. I remember sitting one of the restaurants and watching the public 6-7 years ago and the place was a zoo. My last visit, hardly anyone was walking around. Maybe Burgos had it's time and customers moved on to better locations.
Member #4698
09-01-15, 03:02
This FR is recent experiences on Burgos and understanding of recent prices on Burgos.
The recent addition of Kojax / HotSpot / Plan be (all under same set of owners opened 2013?) has introduced new price competitiveness on Burgos. Barfine (BF) = 2600 and ladies drink (LD) = 300. Kojax, I think the layout (easy to see most girls), the enthusiasm of the dancing (choreographed rather than lazy shuffling at most bars) and the quality of the girls combined with reasonable prices makes Kojax my preferred bar on Burgos and is 1st stop for the night. Hot Spot and Plan B don't have as good a layout but at reasonable prices also have reasonable quality girls.
Stardust has always been a favourite of mine. The show is interesting to watch and prices are quite reasonable (BF=2500 LD=300). Layout is quite good and easy to see girls although generally I would say less lookers in Stardust than Kojax.
Jools is a strange place. I always thought it was no BF but recently girls are telling me some will BF for 3500 with LD=350. The show is very high quality here but in general the line up girls I would put lower quality looks than other bars. Generally I will always visit once each trip to watch the show.
Girls in Bottoms claim it is the most upmarket bar on Burgos. Always busy and with nearly topless uniform and quite good looking girls, I would not dispute the most upmarket bar on Burgos claim. Expensive BF=3900 and LD=390. Although it is a big bar, I don't think it is layed out very well and secondly the enthusiasm of the dancing is poor.
I have been to many of the other bars. Shampoo, Tickles, High Heels, Coyote, Rogues but not enough to comment or remember the pricing.
In summary, for some reason I am happier with the quality of the girls I find on Burgos now compared back to 2007-2009. But I propose Burgos prices will start falling over the next six months. The trend is there (pioneered by Kojax / Hotspot / PlanB) and the GFC2 over the next year will hit Burgos hard. I just hope most can stay open. The feedback from girls in a lot of the smaller bars (and one owner I talked to) was that customer traffic has dropped. Maybe Burgos is a better predictor of the global economy than most economic statistics.Although I question your conclusion that the market will adjust to real supply and demand conditions thus allowing prices to drop, this is still a great field report on Burgos ST. Bars. I wish there were more reports like this in the forum. I question the prediction because I know of no P4P destination in Asia where prices have been allowed to adjust to market conditions and declined in the last 40 years. Prices only go up in the inelastic P4P world and bars owners seem to always make the unfortunate irrational financial decision to go out of business rather than lower their prices in order to increase traffic. As for the girls; they almost always try to raise their price to compensate for slack demand, the exact opposite of rational economic behavior. So I think there is little chance of us seeing lower prices in Burgos Bars. What I do see is bar girls reaching out to customers directly, offering to bypass the barfine system once a relationship has been established. In other words I see the development of a grey market to work around the unrealistically high fixed barfine pricing structure.
Anyway, great report MsAccount! My favorite bars are Bottoms and Plan B. Both bars have some great girls. The Bottoms girls may not be that energetic onstage, but just ask one over for a drink and she will show you a very very good time, in the bar if you know what I mean. Stardust is a distant 3rd favorite of mine. Stardust has some friendly girls, but whenever I go there I end up wanting one or two of the very sexy and fit professional dancers which makes it hard for me to settle on a friendly regular bar girl.
Rogues is another all time favorite bar. It is a good place to relax and have a beer. The girls are definitely not as hot as the Bottoms or Plan B girls, but they are very friendly and this is the best priced bar on the street with Barfines set at 1600 p. Whenever I go there I usually let some girl seduce me. LOL.
I have not been to Kojax or HotSpot yet. That's because the last time I was in Makati I spent 4 nights in a row with my favorite Plan B girl and then after I got a little tired of her I spent a couple of nights with my new favorite / replacement Bottoms girl. I think of her as my Bottoms replacement girl because she stood in for my favorite Makati bar girl of 2014 who was on a trip with her "international boyfriend" when I arrived in Makati in April 2015. My replacement Bottoms girl did just fine and I like her a lot. It is going to be interesting when I return to Bottoms shortly and both girls are in the Bar. I look forward to checking out Kojax and HotSpot too on my next visit if I can free myself from these 3 delectable girls.
Ms Account
09-01-15, 05:50
Although I question your conclusion that the market will adjust to real supply and demand conditions thus allowing prices to drop, this is still a great field report on Burgos ST. Bars. I wish there were more reports like this in the forum..Thanks for the feedback. Not that I claim to understand a bar's business model, but I think the bars have been dependent on big spenders. On a visit to Stardust, a favourite of mine was tied up with a regular Japanese customer who must have spent 20-30 K on drinks and then barfined 5-6 girls to go clubbing and didn't go home with any girl. You can't help but feel a cheap Charlie when you see the amount some people dump on LD's at these bars (both Asians and westerners). Two trips back I just tried the KTV at Airforce One (not the fish bowl). Total waste of money but the fairly average looking girl there told me she was making 40000 per month mainly from Koreans paying 8000 for in house barfine (in another Cebu report I reported the same feedback from a KTV girl in Cebu). My deflation proposal is based upon a negative economic outlook (GFC2) and China won't bail out Asia this time around. I think the Japanese / Korean big spenders will have their wings clipped.
I question the prediction because I know of no P4P destination in Asia where prices have been allowed to adjust to market conditions and declined in the last 40 years. .Your response is a very elegant description of economics. But we also have not had global deflation since the 1930's. Burgos and the Philippines P4 P scene in general (in particular Cebu) will be hit hard by what is about to happen economically globally with Asia suffering particularly badly. Lets see. My wager is if I walked into the Lucky Charm bar on the 1st July 2016, their prices will be LD=300 BF=3000 or less (as a stepping stone on their way back to their original price of 200/2000).
Asian Lover Oz
09-01-15, 13:33
Hi guys, will be arriving tomorrow for a long weekend in Makati armed with a list of 15 names from DIA and FC.
My criteria is strictly 18 or 19 only and no kids, so it's been tough collecting the names and numbers as I'm a fussy bugger and reject any that even seem slightly porky looking.
I haven't exactly pre qualified them all as being up for an encounter, so I reckon around a 10% hit rate of scoring a gem.
So on my 4 day trip, I think there will be only be 1-2 real successes.
Lets revisit next week and see how accurate that is.
Hats off to Skogis, no idea how you can schedule 3 or 4 in a day with Manila traffic and girls flakiness. Let alone manage to pop out so frequently.
As an aside I will will trying to tick off outdoor BJ experience in Makati. I've done it in Australia, Hkg and Bkk so far although I got cold feet last time I was going to try in Cebu. Risk factor seemed too high.
So if you have any suggested locations that would be great.
FreebieFan
09-02-15, 01:33
As an aside I will will trying to tick off outdoor BJ experience in Makati. I've done it in Australia, Hkg and Bkk so far although I got cold feet last time I was going to try in Cebu. Risk factor seemed too high.
So if you have any suggested locations that would be great.Outdoors is difficult as hard to find places where there arent any people, given the population of Manila. Car parks would be one option. Back in the day when I lived there would often have "in car service " so to speak. But outdoors. Hmm theres a few parks in Salcedo village that could work, but again, theres people everywhere. Not a lot of cameras though. Depends if you want day time or night time. After 12 the streets get a lot quieter. Recall meeting a girl in Makati one night at about midnight and as agreed before, she had no panties so on the walk to my hotel I had my finger neatly inserted in her shorts. No one saw or maybe no one cared. .
Outdoors is difficult as hard to find places where there arent any people, given the population of Manila. Car parks would be one option. Back in the day when I lived there would often have "in car service " so to speak. But outdoors. Hmm theres a few parks in Salcedo village that could work, but again, theres people everywhere. Not a lot of cameras though. Depends if you want day time or night time. After 12 the streets get a lot quieter. Recall meeting a girl in Makati one night at about midnight and as agreed before, she had no panties so on the walk to my hotel I had my finger neatly inserted in her shorts. No one saw or maybe no one cared. .I would try the handicapped bathroom in a major hotel, mall, or anywhere else that has this or a Family bathroom. Funny sounds may stir up a crowd outside though ha.
PC out.
GoodEnough
09-02-15, 05:20
As the long timers here will know, I've been in the Philippines for a few years now, and I've never been able to understand the Burgos Street model. Most of the bars are situated in rental space in the highest priced area of the entire country, and simple logic causes me to question how bar owners can cover what must be huge overheads. A few months ago I was discussing with a recent acquaintance who has been here longer than I. He said (and I've no way of verifying this) that in most cases the bars are merely front to launder money derived from more profitable, cash-generating and likely illegal operations. Again, I've got no idea if this is true, but it does make some kind of sense.
GE.
The way I saw Burgos had a very little foot traffic compare to before. I remember sitting one of the restaurants and watching the public 6-7 years ago and the place was a zoo. My last visit, hardly anyone was walking around. Maybe Burgos had it's time and customers moved on to better locations.This might seem off topic but it is in keeping with the theorizing around the future of Burgos Street.
I have just returned from a visit back to Australia for 8 nights and I stayed in King's Cross, Sydney as usual in order to be near the focus of my work. Twenty (20) years ago KC (or "the Cross") was a zoo (see Mbsl's comment). Everybody went to the Cross later at night after dining elsewhere to see the street filled with crazies, druggies, prosties, live shows with drag queens, bouncers on every door and spruikers trying to get you inside one of the dens (always reminded me of the former Patpong).
During the past decade I have noticed a dramatic decline in the decadence of the area, and the number of girlie bars and drinking places has shrunk considerably. On this latest trip I was very surprised to notice that the whole neighborhood has changed. Very few bars remain along Darlinghurst Road (compared to previously) and more and more up-scale restaurants are opened along the side-streets and in the various alley ways (previously filled with druggies and definitely a "no-go" zone for people like me). Several hotels have been converted into plush apartments, and I learned that my hotel (4-star and very comfortable) had also been sold and was soon to close for renovation as apartments.
Various reasons were given, but it is clear that various jurisdictions / councils (local KC, City of Sydney, NSW Government) are behind the move to close down the seedy side and transform the Cross into something absolutely unrecognisable from 20 plus years ago. King's Cross is a mere 30 minute walk to Central Sydney city in exactly the same way that Burgos is a similar walk from the business center of Makati (Greenbelt / Glorietta / Ayala Ave banking and finance area).
It is highly likely that the whole area comprising Burgos, Durban, Polaris, Jupiter streets and Kalayaan and Northern Makati Avenue will change like King's Cross has changed in Sydney. The opening of Century City is the thin edge of the wedge. A change in Makati local government administration with the removal of a long-standing dynasty might also hasten the process. If you like agogo bars, get in quickly before it all closes down.
GoodEnough
09-03-15, 04:18
This might seem off topic but it is in keeping with the theorizing around the future of Burgos Street.
It is highly likely that the whole area comprising Burgos, Durban, Polaris, Jupiter streets and Kalayaan and Northern Makati Avenue will change like King's Cross has changed in Sydney. The opening of Century City is the thin edge of the wedge. A change in Makati local government administration with the removal of a long-standing dynasty might also hasten the process. If you like agogo bars, get in quickly before it all closes down.I think that RK is onto something here. Recently, or so I've been told, Burgos has become one of the "hot" restaurant areas of Makati. As soon as the area begins to attract middle to upper class Filipino couples in search of a good dining experience, the presence of the seedy bars may begin to decline. I eat frequently at a French Bistro in the area. It's called Cafe Curieux, and serves very good, and quite authentic bistro food. Most of the customers are French, several from the French Embassy, and I'm pretty sure, having spoken to several of them, that they're there strictly for the food and the dining experience. Something similar to RK's reference to the King's Cross transformation, or for that matter the total transformation of Times Square in New York, may well be imminent.
GE.
Member #4698
09-03-15, 06:01
It is highly likely that the whole area comprising Burgos, Durban, Polaris, Jupiter streets and Kalayaan and Northern Makati Avenue will change like King's Cross has changed in Sydney. The opening of Century City is the thin edge of the wedge. A change in Makati local government administration with the removal of a long-standing dynasty might also hasten the process. If you like agogo bars, get in quickly before it all closes down.
Sounds like the gentrification that's going in Geylang, Singapore; a real foodie center and a former P4P hot spot. I hear SW numbers have become sparse this past year on the various Lorangs where the girls used to hang out in droves. Its too bad. I used to really like having a session and afterwards a great meal.
I've been told, Burgos has become one of the "hot" restaurant areas of Makati. I eat frequently at a French Bistro in the area. It's called Cafe Curieux, and serves very good, and quite authentic bistro food. Most of the customers are French, several from the French Embassy, and I'm pretty sure, having spoken to several of them, that they're there strictly for the food and the dining experience.
GE.
I will give Cafe Curieux a try. Burgos as a foodie spot? I had no idea. My favorite bar girl likes the Filling Station which I totally detest and will not go to anymore. I either insist on Ziggurat, or I take her to Glorietta Mall for some franchise restaurant food, or its room service at the Fairmont. She does not like going to the GreenBelt malls. She says she does not want to be seen in that place with all the FL's around. You can't make this stuff up. LOL. BTW, she asks me all the time to take pics of her in the Fairmont Lobby. I guess its to show her friends.
I like Makati. I hope Burgos Street never dies.
I concur as I stayed in the Kings Cross in Sydney several weeks ago. It's rapidly experiencing gentrification and a walk along the main drag near the metro entrance was actually boring on a Saturday in the later evening hours. Nary a hooker, druggie, or trannie to be seen. I can certainly see the comparison to Burgos especially considered how this area is gradually being surrounded by upscale condos, malls, and nicer restaurants (I. E. Gramercy 71 etc.).
However, the good news is -- given its Manila and Asia -- 'they' will find another place in the city.
Hey guys,
Just got back from Makati after spending a week there (Friday to Friday).
I stayed at the Best Western Oxford on Burgos St. I had a girl staying with me during this trip that I knew from before.
I had a few new experiences.
I visited a place called City of Dreams on Saturday night. It was a 45 min taxi drive. It's a huge casino which also has restaurants. We had a few drinks at the bar which also had a live band playing. Upstairs are more gambling areas and also 2 nightclubs called Chaos and Pangaea. My girl decided she liked the music in Chaos and so we went there around 1 am. The place was busy. There were groups of girls that were freelancers but also I think there were normal girls there too. The freelancers were dressed sexy and were also trying to make eye contact with guys. Entry was 500 p which also included a drink.
I had Sunday night to myself as my girl had to look after her daughter as she's a single mum. I decided to check out the strip bars on Burgos St. For some reason a lot of the strip bars that I liked from my previous visits didn't have many girls working. I was told it's because it was Sunday. I also tried some new bars but the same problem.
Bottoms-.
During this trip I enjoyed Bottoms strip bar the best. I visited during the day when it was happy hour and also in the evening. I liked girls from both the day shift and night shift. About 8 girls. Some were very playful. After asking them over for a drink most would take off their bra and let me play around with them as long as I was able to buy them a drink. I also gave 100 p tip for the girls that let me touch and play the most. If you like girls with big natural breasts then visit after 8 pm when the night shift girls are there. I think this place had the prettiest girls.
Bad Massage girl experience -.
On Burgos st I have seen lots of girls offering a massage and some are dressed in a uniform while others are not. I decided to get a massage from a cute girl who was dressed in normal clothes. She was happy to come back to my hotel for 500 p massage for 1 hour. Before the massage started she made it clear that she can also give me good service for an extra 1500 p. I wasn't in the mood except for a massage. During the massage she kept on hinting what was on offer but I kept saying I wasn't interested. The massage wasn't very good. Near the end she started to cry a little saying how she relies on this work to support her family and she wanted me to have sex. I felt sorry for her but I still said no. In the end she got the message and left after cleaning herself up. I felt bad as I've never had a girl almost beg me to have sex before (even though I must pay).
Mother and daughter-.
Another night while walking near a 24 HR restaurant (under Bellagio hotel) on Burgos st. I saw a very pretty and sexy girl walk outside the restaurant with an older woman and were waiting for a taxi. I stood close by just looking at the girl as I liked her. I was hoping that she's a freelancer and that the woman was leaving her so I can try my luck. They both saw me staring and smiled at me and I smiled back. We kept glancing at each other. The girl then went back inside the restaurant to sit with a man while the older woman was still trying to get a taxi. The older woman asked me if I like her girl. I replied Yes, and then she told me that it's her daughter. Then she asked if I would like to see her tomorrow as she's booked for tonight. Guys, I couldn't believe this was happening that a mother is offering her daughter to me for sex. But I was hooked and I said yes and we agreed on a price of 2000 p for short time. The mother gave me her number to arrange it when I'm free. Unfortunately I wasn't free again as I only had 1 night left and my regular girl was spending that with me. I hope to try on my next visit.
I also visited Havana café twice in Greenbelt. I still recognised girls that were there from my last visit in May. I found another freelance type place called Spicy Fingers just a short walk away. It has a live band inside but also a seating area outside too.
One thing I would like to have tried but didn't have the confidence to, which is during the rush hour when everyone is leaving work, I have seen some pretty office girls who I wanted to approach and ask out. Has anyone here ever tried approaching them to ask them out for coffee / dinner?
FreebieFan
09-07-15, 01:36
. Most of the bars are situated in rental space in the highest priced area of the entire country, and simple logic causes me to question how bar owners can cover what must be huge overheads. A few months ago I was discussing with a recent acquaintance who has been here longer than I. He said (and I've no way of verifying this) that in most cases the bars are merely front to launder money derived from more profitable, cash-generating and likely illegal operations. Again, I've got no idea if this is true, but it does make some kind of sense.
GE.That story has been around for a long time and probably / possibly holds true. Its also reasonably well known that over half the bars are owned by one man fronting for one company.
Way back in the day (our days LOL), theres a story about Binay, lending one of the owners some money to get through a difficult time. The owner paid the money back and was then on the hook always paying something to Binays re-election funds. And he had just a few of those.
GoodEnough
09-07-15, 04:47
That story has been around for a long time and probably / possibly holds true. Its also reasonably well known that over half the bars are owned by one man fronting for one company.
Way back in the day (our days LOL), theres a story about Binay, lending one of the owners some money to get through a difficult time. The owner paid the money back and was then on the hook always paying something to Binays re-election funds. And he had just a few of those.I've no idea whether it's true either, but it certainly could be. The web of concealed relationships between politicians and business people in this throughly corrupt country is so complex and multi-layered that no foreigner will ever understand it fully.
GE.
BrainDrain
09-07-15, 05:12
I would try the handicapped bathroom in a major hotel, mall, or anywhere else that has this or a Family bathroom. Funny sounds may stir up a crowd outside though ha.
PC out.I can personally vouch for the handicap toilets in the corridor between Marriott & Resorts World. Discrete entrance and lots of room. Even a sink for clean up.
FreebieFan
09-07-15, 07:20
I can personally vouch for the handicap toilets in the corridor between Marriott & Resorts World. Discrete entrance and lots of room. Even a sink for clean up.Be careful though http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2015/09/06/partygoers-nabbed-lewd-acts-428839.
Asian Lover Oz
09-07-15, 13:25
Well as expected, my hot list of 15 girls from dating sites, fizzled down to 1 actual sexual encounter! And even that one was almost a non event.
Stayed at Fairmont. Great hotel and no issues with girls at all. Didn't even need to leave ID etc just as I like.
Night 1.
Arrived quite late and just sms my previous DIA contact (25 yo) from last trip. She wanted to come over so I said ok. She bought her work clothes and spent the night. Bit of action as too tired. No cost.
Day 2.
Started the messaging of my contacts, with a number of dropouts as follows.
- No response.
- Lives too far away.
- Not even in Manila.
- Not of legal age.
- Attending school.
- Not interested in coming straight to hotel.
Quite a balancing act between trying to work out which ones might respond while you are also trying to arrange a time with others. Eventually called it a day and hit Burgos that night.
Crazy prices for bar fines, tried to arrange a BJ in the tickles bar with 2 super hot teens but even after I already forked out $2 K in drinks they still were fleecing me for another 10 drinks + tip before they would do it. Checked out a few other bars but after a few too many years of doing this in BKK it's really not doing much to float my boat these days. And really not a lot of glamours on show. Spoke to a few massage girls on the street about doing a public BJ, but luckily they advised against it as too many eyes aroundand PI is not the place you really want to mess with the law (as per the link from Freebie fan shows).
Day 3.
Finally managed to arrange a meeting with a 19 yo for some modeling in my room. She insisted to bring her sister as she wanted to try out the pool. She told me it would take 1 HR, so I told her just get a taxi and I'll pay for it when you get to the hotel. 2 hrs later she texts and says "traffic. Taxi driver thinks another 2-3 hrs! Bang. Blood pressure explodes as she has just fucked up my entire day. I told her to take the taxi back home now and forget it. No money to pay taxi and we are already half way there. A furious ping pong of sms telling her No, No, No stop!! But she has no money to pay taxi and it's already at 300 p!! I said borrow the money and I'll sent it to you by mail. She then proceeds to try to tell my how to send money to her right now so she can pay the taxi. (we are at blah blah bank. Send the money). On one hand I thought it was a scam, and on the other hand I thought poor girl if that really is the situation, stuck in a cab with who knows who and no means of paying. So I told her, ok just keep coming I will leave 600 p at the reception for you. GOODBYE!! Anyway, after another hour I was curious to see how this played out and they showed up. Seems it was true, after all the taxi driver was super pissed and she turns up with her fugly sister. I paid the 500 p to the taxi then went up to the room for our modelling assignment. The girl in question was very slim and just as I like, but very average looks. Anyway sent the sister off the McDonalds to buy some food, 5 minutes later she back as she doesn't know how to operate the lift.
Ok sister finally gone, girl 1 takes off the clothes and we start BJ and fuck session. Amazing tight pussy, one of the tightest I can recall. Definitely not experienced and a pretty average BJ but at least she was willing to try. Into the bathroom where I tried to get her do BJ in shower with running water to make it easier for her and she improved and I ended up partial CIM there. Back to the bed and relax a bit and we wonder where the hell sister has gone. Eventually she show up with cold McDonalds. We hang out for a while and they take dozens of selfies in the room. Manage to get another bit of a suck while sister went to the bathroom but eventually I sent them off with 1000 p plus a few other smaller notes and she seemed ok with that.
Later that night I went to Cafe Havana. Really guys what's the thing about this place??
To me it was just chain smoking grandpas and desperate baby elephant PI mummies wearing way too much makeup. No offence to the grandpas or the elephants. Maybe when I'm a grandpa I'll find them attractive too. There was certainly no hot 18 yo's there.
Moved onto Spicy Fingers and enjoyed the music there a lot. Picked up a 25 yo no baby and took her home for what was left of the night. 2000 p paid in the morning.
To be continued.
Nuru Massage
09-07-15, 13:39
Hi guys, will be arriving tomorrow for a long weekend in Makati armed with a list of 15 names from DIA and FC.
My criteria is strictly 18 or 19 only and no kids, so it's been tough collecting the names and numbers as I'm a fussy bugger and reject any that even seem slightly porky looking.
I haven't exactly pre qualified them all as being up for an encounter, so I reckon around a 10% hit rate of scoring a gem.
So on my 4 day trip, I think there will be only be 1-2 real successes.
Lets revisit next week and see how accurate that is.
Hats off to Skogis, no idea how you can schedule 3 or 4 in a day with Manila traffic and girls flakiness. Let alone manage to pop out so frequently.
As an aside I will will trying to tick off outdoor BJ experience in Makati. I've done it in Australia, Hkg and Bkk so far although I got cold feet last time I was going to try in Cebu. Risk factor seemed too high.
So if you have any suggested locations that would be great.I suggest you try the nuru massage in makati. http://www.nurumassage.ph/masseuses they have over 35 hot and young masseuses. They are a spa and not an escort but another good options for you!
Wicked Roger
09-07-15, 13:42
Be careful though http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2015/09/06/partygoers-nabbed-lewd-acts-428839.Well that is a good holiday snap for his Facebook page. Am sure his mates back will love to read that but is a good example of how drink and darkness (and it can be very dark around Mango) can distort reality. In this case by a lot as IMHO he is pig ugly and one would need to be very drunk to even think about it LOL.
Asian Lover Oz. I hope you read this as otherwise you could be the next one to have an unusual holiday photo (smiley here).
Everybody knows it is a hit or miss with normal dating girls. Moment you ask them if they are willing to stay with you they say yes without blinking. After that when it is actual time to plan and meet truth comes out.
1. I do not know you well enough to stay with you. Meanwhile I am sure they met and fucked guys they did not even know on a regular basis.
2. Send me money for fare. How much you ask. They start with 2500. You say why so much. They say taxi costs that much. You say take a bus. Some say they never go by bus. If you hesitate they lower the asking price to 500 pesos. Is it a scam? Many a times I thought it is a scam but the girl showed up after I send 500 Pesos. It is my limit to send money. Rarely I got taken. Girls think if the guy readily sends 500 pesos there is more money to be made by visiting him.
3. I never allow girls asking to bring their friend, cousin, aunt etc. However I have been surprised when they bring somebody anyway. Most often they hide in the bathroom while the deed is done. For me it is a definite hindrance for normal flow of things. Some can be sent to get food or I send them to get a manicure with some money. It is cheap.
Few times I was surprised when both join the action. But these are rare. Sometimes an ugly girl will bring pretty one hoping that I will not reject her after seeing her in person. In such cases I do charity fuck for one and really enjoy the pretty one. Believe me fucking the ugly one is better sex wise.
4. Generally in Manila girls make you wait. Traffic is horrendous and girls have no idea how long it takes from point A to point be. Does not happen in Cebu if the girl lives in Cebu city. What I do is go about my business ask them to text me when they arrive at the hotel. They can wait.
5. Like anything else experience varies from girl to girl. Sometimes you click and other times nothing. The ones you click with you do other things like walking around, going to mall and movies and dinners etc. There are girls who just want to enjoy the hotel room and do not like to go anywhere. Like one girl I had in Manila staying in bed all day and fuck whenever you want. Only thing is I need to get her food from outside. She doid not care where I went or what time I returned.
It is Individual preference who they want. Finding a normal girl with all its headaches takes effort.
Dark Knight1
09-07-15, 15:24
Be careful though http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local-news/2015/09/06/partygoers-nabbed-lewd-acts-428839.Idiotic guy saying they are treating him bad because he is foreigner. He was getting a blow job in a parking lot. I don't think that's allowed anywhere. World class dumb ass. What I don't like on the Filipino side is how they always put the perpetrator face and name in the newspapers. No telling what type of life he has back in his home country. Now its effectively ruined.
MrWoolyBooly
09-07-15, 17:59
Quite a balancing act between trying to work out which ones might respond while you are also trying to arrange a time with others. Eventually called it a day and hit Burgos that night.
To be continued.In my experience you get what you pay for, with payment rendered in time+money+luck. When in town briefly, I either have to pay more $ or spend more time in advance on the dating sites and FB to get the qualities I want and avoid downtime. Based on Mr Skogis's reports, I'm slowly migrating to a FB-centric approach, but the dating sites have got me some real repeat gems (FC / DIA / Tagged). Some consider double-booking unethical, but I'll stop doing it when more than half show up on time as agreed. The extreme cash-only option is to enter each Burgos club just long enough to view the offerings, then go back and pay the asking price for the one that most suits.
If you ever meet a potential pimpette, keep in touch! They're valuable beyond cash with the right qualities: Open-minded, "get it" whatever you're looking for, realistic about their cut, and business-minded enough to value your time. The pimpette can be either purposefully filling the role or kinda migrate into it by introducing her friends, cousins, neighbors, etc. I have a very good one that started out as a fubu, first met her several years ago as an early-20's pretty chubby with big boobs. If anything she's lost weight since then and is dependable in finding ladies to spec with needs to fill. I owe her a courtesy, so will provide her contact info to the informative.
When in town longer, I can pay in time by flirting with all and sundry or online chat nonsense until eventually the dividends start coming in with minimal cash expense. It really is like shooting fish in a barrel. The only challenges are self-imposed: 6-some? Ilokana-Maguindanao-me threesome? Biggest boobs? Tallest? Time trials from Hello, to the blow?
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I tried them couple of times. First of all they don't know exact nuru massage and charge is high. They will ask for more money for even tug job.
I suggest you try the nuru massage in makati. http://www.nurumassage.ph/masseuses they have over 35 hot and young masseuses. They are a spa and not an escort but another good options for you!
Everybody knows it is a hit or miss with normal dating girls. Moment you ask them if they are willing to stay with you they say yes without blinking. After that when it is actual time to plan and meet truth comes out.
3. I never allow girls asking to bring their friend, cousin, aunt etc. However I have been surprised when they bring somebody anyway. Most often they hide in the bathroom while the deed is done. For me it is a definite hindrance for normal flow of things. Some can be sent to get food or I send them to get a manicure with some money. It is cheap.
Few times I was surprised when both join the action. But these are rare. Sometimes an ugly girl will bring pretty one hoping that I will not reject her after seeing her in person. In such cases I do charity fuck for one and really enjoy the pretty one. Believe me fucking the ugly one is better sex wise.
Couple years ago this lady (35 yrs old) brought her 21 yrs old neighbor girl. After having a dinner in Quest Hotel lobby, we went to my room and I started with 21 yrs old. He had a killer body and 35 yrs old got very horny watching us and asked me to do her too. As being a gentleman, I did the dirty deed. However, the xxxt hit the fan from there. Young one got very upset and they had an argument. I never saw both of them in person. But a Danish guy married to the young one. She was still Skyping with me while living in her new house in Denmark. Good memories.
Asian Lover Oz
09-08-15, 13:56
Trip Report continued.
I continued to try my luck with the few remaining contacts, but come across a couple that turned out to be psycho / desperate girls who bombarded me with sms pleading for help.
1) Asking 30 K as she was "very inexperienced". Non stop messages pleading for study assistance. "maybe just 25 K ok?
2) Another living in Bacolad or somewhere I needed "only a 1 HR plane flight" to get to see her and visit her and her mum.
For some reason I couldn't block their numbers and it continued for 2 days.
3) Another one invited me to come and party with her friends at a club. Turns out the club is right next door to Fairmont "Club Illusion". Went to have a look, very nice if you have the cash to splash on young ladies and get nothing in return (aka karoke / GRO) bar. Many stunning / young girls wearing like evening gowns in there but I was the only potential customer at around 8:30 pm. Spoke to the manager and she explained the deal and was adamant there was no extras avail. Only singing and watch the show and buy girls drinks at 450 p a pop plus a 2000 p entrance fee. I thinks it one for the Koreans or Chinese customers.
In the end I ran out of numbers and tried badoo without any luck either.
So I went back to the grandpa and baby elephant bar for another night for a look and some food. It was even more shite than the night before. Except for one slim under 30 lady walked in, sat down and within 5 minutes some guys had snapped her up and off they went. Off to spicy fingers and it was slow start and about to give up but managed to find a sort of cute 27 yo. Who assured me she had no baby but I was skeptical given her shape.
Anyway back in my room by about 2 am, off with the clothes. Except her undies. She wanted the lights off, so I knew she had a kid and I could tell from her tits anyway. Bit of a BJ before I decided just to grab some sleep instead and try again in the morning.
Woken at 5 am by her blabbing on the phone in an agitated voice before she got dressed and said she had to go to meet sister (who was also with us at the bar previously). I refused payment, expecting a bit of a sob etc and then would relent, but she didn't argue much and then just left. No money at all. Felt kinda bad about it the next day.
Finally feeling frustrated I decide to searching online for a massage or escort service nearby. Found a site manila tonight that is mostly in tagalog and mentioned a few "spas" in Makati with reports etc.
Heading off in my uber taxi. First time I tried. Impressive!! To the Stargate Spa which turns out to be quite close to the Eurotel where so many of the lovely pics in this section of the forum come from!!
Holy crap, what a dive, but I just took one for the team for my final experience in Manila - 1800 p for massage and HJ!
Uber Black luxury SUV back to the airport (even with 1. 5 surge price it was still half what I paid for the trip from private car on my way to the hotel).
Prefer to stick to Cebu next time. Everything went a lot smoother there, but still has it frustrations. It is PI after all.
Wicked Roger
09-08-15, 15:58
Idiotic guy saying they are treating him bad because he is foreigner. He was getting a blow job in a parking lot. I don't think that's allowed anywhere. World class dumb ass. What I don't like on the Filipino side is how they always put the perpetrator face and name in the newspapers. No telling what type of life he has back in his home country. Now its effectively ruined.He was drunk. I suspect so pissed that he could not figure out 'she' was a he LOL. The ladyboy is pig ugly so he must have been drunk. He was getting the BJ (or not as he says was not getting one) on the 3rd floor of the car park in Mango and was 'arrested' the security guards so he papers say he will be released if the guards agree (odd IMHO but true).
He is a pissed dumbo and deserves all gets IMHO. So his name / face etc is fine as they were fair in that the ladyboy photo was also shown.
I know the guys who manage Mango Square and all hey want its this report to disappear fast. Just like the Czech guy who mates I am sure will have fun for a very long time at his expense LOL.
Trip Report continued.
Prefer to stick to Cebu next time. Everything went a lot smoother there, but still has it frustrations. It is PI after all.Manila / Makati is a big city and it is hard to navigate around. You may need to do your homework before going there and you can have much more fun.
CallSign Papa
09-15-15, 05:56
Prefer to stick to Cebu next time. Everything went a lot smoother there, but still has it frustrations. It is PI after all.Judging from what you're written it does indeed sound like a disappointing trip to Makati. But I'd suggest that you've rather set yourself up for failure in a few ways. Firstly, arranging meet ups with 15 young girls is always going to be a challenging proposition, and as you've experienced, pinays (especially young ones) and notoriously flakey. If you'd have secured 30 phone numbers (or contacted on Viber, whatsapp or snapchat), you could reasonably have expected 5 to actually show up, depending upon your pre-trip chemistry.
Secondly, unless I missed it, you failed to take advantage of the one place where young pretty girls congregate in their multitudes, nightclubs. Makati and The Fort both have a number of nightspots that would have at least been worth exploring. As has been documented here, Prive, Valkyrie, Chaos (which is technically City of Dreams), would all at least given you some opportunity for success, with the rest being up to you. And I know, going to a nightclub alone can be a bit daunting, but fortune favours the brave.
I guess what I'm saying is, it's better to over-prepare a trip like this, than get to manila and feel like you're scrambling around just to get your rocks off.
You didn't even give her taxi money? You got a little bit to learn here. Be careful. With your style, the next one could be a ladyboy with a knife.
Hahahaha too cheap to give a mom with a kid taxi fare. Yeah, you're going to do very well in this country. Women will want to keep coming back to you Mr. Big Spender! You want to hang around the most expensive places, but won't give a woman taxi fare. Great job. Keep us posted on your benevolence.
Yes, ALO, stick with the tried and true. In Makati: Burgos. In Malate: LA Cafe and Amazon. In Cebu: Mango Square or Ayala Mall and Silver Dollar. DIAs frequentlly high drama and turn into MIAs but some are still worth it. You can also head up to the City of Angels where it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I'll be in all those places next month and also Subic (Hi GE) and Bali and Jakarta just before. T minus 21 and I can hardly wait!
Manila / Makati is a big city and it is hard to navigate around. You may need to do your homework before going there and you can have much more fun..
I've never been on the 3rd floor of a car park around Mango Square (Cebu city)). I wouldn't even know where to find such a high level parking place. The fact that there seems to be more than one security guard involved seems to indicate that there is more to the story than what we've already read. I can't even believe a security guard would be involved with this.
I've had sex numerous times in somewhat public areas. I was never pissed, and never got caught. The only times in the Philippines that I've had "somewhat" public sex was on a quiet beach after dusk and then another time in the water.
Off topic, but the best one was on a simple catamaran parked on Virginia beach. Scariest one was on the top floor of ten story apartment building in Tokyo. We did it on the floor right in front of the elevators. I had an adrenaline rush every time the elevator moved.
I don't know if this counts, but I had a wonderful shag with a mistress on the carpet, in an empty apartment two days after I moved out. No curtains, no mattress, no blankets, and we relied on body heat to keep warm throughout the cold night. She had a pretty nasty carpet burn, on her lower backbone, bless her heart.
He was drunk. I suspect so pissed that he could not figure out 'she' was a he LOL. The ladyboy is pig ugly so he must have been drunk. He was getting the BJ (or not as he says was not getting one) on the 3rd floor of the car park in Mango and was 'arrested' the security guards so he papers say he will be released if the guards agree (odd IMHO but true).
He is a pissed dumbo and deserves all gets IMHO. So his name / face etc is fine as they were fair in that the ladyboy photo was also shown.
I know the guys who manage Mango Square and all hey want its this report to disappear fast. Just like the Czech guy who mates I am sure will have fun for a very long time at his expense LOL.
Member #4387
09-18-15, 01:23
In my deep inside I have allways dreamt of having session with to girls unknown to eachother. I mean totaly strangers. And this last weekend it happend (involantary I might add). Was sessioning a fine gem in my Ascott hideout and while we were laying on my bed catching our breath the doorbell rang. I did not felt any unease opening as it was a small hour until my next session and I thought maybe it was houskeeping or sth. Well there she stood my next session arriving together with security. All in all a good thought by him and obviously I did give this girl my room no (I suddenly remembered when she stood there so I guess my daytime drinking makes me sloppy again). Well there I was with one girl in the hall and one girl in my bed. My mind was working like "what to do now?
After a few seconds I came to the conclusion that what is the worst thing that can happen and maybe I manage to test out my secret dream. Lets give it a go. I welcomed the girl and told the sucurity guy I would have a chat with him later while I tipped him a 100.
The new girl (never met only talked on my fake fb) was stunningly sexy and petite. I checked my silenced phone and saw she send me loads of msgs she was early. If I was aware I would ofcourse take my precautions to stall this situation by some nice white ones. Well well, I sat her down in the livingroom and went to get the other girl. As in a businessmeeting we sat down in the livingroom, I gave them drinks and explained I was a butterfly (hiding that now would be pure stupid me thinks). I told them and that I would understand if they wanted to leave (incl offering both some cash/travelmoney). But oddly they both stayed. I felt in a way they were finding this situation quite exciting too and ofcourse now the cash flow was out of the box so thats probably motivating too. I took a bathroom break to clear my head and to plan my next move. The situation was arousing and when I returned the girls were talking to eachother watching eachothers iphones (probably some intersting shit).
I simply popped the question if it was ok we did some dirty business. They probably, while I was in the bathroom, allready discussed this matter (lets face it they both knew why they came to see me in the first place), as they both nodded their heads and gave me the "thumbs" up. Ofcourse it came to my understanding that play together was out of the question so I did not push that matter further. I grabbed the new arrival and we went into the bedroom while the other girl waited in the livingroom. It did not play out perfectly the way I wanted but to be honest what can you expect from two girls just met. Even in phils this will be hard I guess.
I rotated the girls 3/4 times until I gave my cum to the new arrival.
It was fun times and a new experience to me. I don't know if this have a certain name in a bucket list kind of thing but its ticked off. What happens happens and it played out nice on my part and I believe the girls left happy (and seemingly as friends, hehe). Bcs of the situation and all I donated 4 k to the old girl (as she stayed the longest and played well) and 3 k to the new arrival. Well worth as they fullfilled partly a dream I have had for quite some time. The maximum would've been all 3 play together.
Aftermaths: I gave the securityguy a hell of a beating (verbaly) so he understood that never ever, even if I bring in / out girls all the time, that's my business and they should not involve themself no matter what. Only if I ask then its ok. If girls show up and ask for me they should act as I don't even live there. We parted as friends. While at it I informed managment (did not mention anything regarding the securityguy) that beeing a designated guest and all I wanted to stay incognito. If someone calls me they have to pretend I don't live there. I went behind the receptiondesk and actually saw they wrote this down in capital letters at the top of my booking "dont inform anyone mr xxx live here". I changed rooms, don't know why, but I did. Great small weekend fun.
Yes, ALO, stick with the tried and true. In Makati: Burgos. In Malate: LA Cafe and Amazon. In Cebu: Mango Square or Ayala Mall and Silver Dollar. DIAs frequentlly high drama and turn into MIAs but some are still worth it. You can also head up to the City of Angels where it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I'll be in all those places next month and also Subic (Hi GE) and Bali and Jakarta just before. T minus 21 and I can hardly wait!
.Burgos is not the same Burgos you remember. Apparently it got too expensive according to the waitress I was chatting in Cubano. She told me that most people goes to AC to have fun.
Burgos is not the same Burgos you remember. Apparently it got too expensive according to the waitress I was chatting in Cubano. She told me that most people goes to AC to have fun.Burgos was more expensive than all the other places in '98.
GoodEnough
09-19-15, 08:36
Burgos was more expensive than all the other places in '98.I started coming to the country in about 1985, and the Burgos I remember then was very similar to the Burgos of today. Adjusting for normal inflation over 30 years, it's likely no more expensive now than it was then. As Hutsori points out, historically it's been one of the higher priced options, and it remains so. It's also among the safest.
GE.
Blanquiceleste
09-19-15, 12:02
Great small weekend fun.What an amazing fun read. To more great times! Salut!
Hi everyone,
Not sure if I'm posting this in the correct forum as it's a bit of a Makati trip report, bit of a hotel discussion and a request for suggestions. I apologize for the length. I hope some are inclined to read all the way through. I tried to make it interesting while keeping it accurate. Here goes.
In December, I'll be making my third trip to Manila, though the first in quite some time. It will be a short stay as I'm going on business but have extended my trip by a couple nights for a little are & are. All told, I'll be there seven nights but only the last two on my own. Being that I have limited time, I want to make sure I get the most bang for my buck (so to speak) and need advice on what avenue to take. Ie the sure things (Edsa, Burgos), the massage scene, club scene, mall scene. Or perhaps some other.
I'll be staying at the Shangri La Makati, as I have every time I've gone. It's a nice place. A playground in and of itself. My first two trips, also business trips, occurred quite some time ago. About 10 years. I'm sure a lot has changed. But I hope a lot has stayed the same.
I was pretty naive heading into my first trip, knowing very little about the Philippines. Even after doing some research on the place prior to going, I was still in for a surprise when I got there. Our flight arrived fairly late in the evening. Saturday evening. And by the time we arrived at the hotel and checked in, it was around midnight. My coworkers (all women) were of course exhausted from the trip. I, however, was not and decided to stay up for a beer or two. Having noticed a Hard Rock Caf sign across from the hotel, I decided to head over. The streets were pretty empty at this hour. There was a taxi lurking. Trying to get my attention. Driver holding up what seemed to be a sheet of paper. Maybe a map? Tourist attractions flier? Who knows? I didn't at that point (though I would learn shortly). I didn't need a taxi so I didn't pay much attention. I needed beer. And I just kept walking. About halfway across the street, I began to hear the telltale click clack of high heels on pavement. It was getting louder and I sensed it getting closer. I assumed it was somebody heading to the Hard Rock who sped up so I could hold the door for them as we walked inside. I was wrong. Just as I grabbed the door handle and swung it open, I heard a voice. A sweet one. "Excuse me. Would you like some company"? As I turned. I couldn't believe my eyes. She was young and absolutely gorgeous. Wow I thought. I am a stud. I've been on the ground for an hour and chicks are already trying to pick me up. I remember two little figures. An angel and a devil. Immediately appeared on my shoulders. The devil leaned in said. "What are you nuts? Say yes. Hell yes!" The angel then leaned in and said. "This is a business trip. You're representing your company. What if you walk through that lobby and your coworkers see you? How would that look"? In the end, the angel won. I politely declined. I went on to enjoy a couple beers in the Hard Rock. There was an all female band playing. The lead singer was smoking hot. Long straight black hair (my favorite). Beautiful rack. Skin tight yellow, stretch pants. Leggings or yoga pants. Something soft and stretchy. And sheer. Providing prominent camel toe. I remember sitting there and thinking. How cool is this? The rest of that evening was uneventful. After my beers, I walked back to the hotel unaccosted, walked through the beautiful lobby toward the bank of elevators. As I waited for the elevator, a couple rounded the corner and waited beside me. It was the same young girl who had approached me. She had found someone who said yes. He looked Middle Eastern and he had to be in his 70's. Ironically we rode the elevator up together and as we went she looked at me behind the man's back and smiled. At this point I realized I made the wrong choice. To add insult to injury, they were going to the room right next to mine. All I did was sleep that night. And pretty much that whole trip. I still hadn't even scratched the surface of possibility here. For this trip, it was going to be all business.
Six months later, I was told I was going back. Same hotel. Since I had arrived home I had thought a lot about my experience there. The things I saw. The women everywhere. Beautiful. Friendly. I remembered the old, retired sailors I saw strutting through the lobby with a pretty young girl on each arm. Damn that looked fun! So I decided to be a little more adventurous this time. My second trip began much like the first, except this time my traveling party included both guys and women. Again upon arrival. The girls were tired. We men were not. There were four of us. So we headed out. Later this time as we had "closed" the Horizon Lounge first and needed a new. More exciting venue. We were headed to the Hard Rock again, when a white taxi pulled up to us and to my surprise one of my friends opened the door and said these magic words "Take us somewhere fun". We all piled in. I've now figured out we were taken to Burgos Street. At the time, I had no idea. It was surreal. A red light district straight out of the movies. The lighting on the street even seemed red. And the streets seemed smokey. Or hazy. Why were they hazy? The taxi driver pulled over in front of a place and said "go down those stairs". We did as we were told and were quickly swept into an unbelievable dream state. There were no men in here. We were the only four. But there had to be 50 girls. Before long a feeding frenzy ensued. Imagine sitting on a park bench with a baggie filled with cracked corn. Next thing you know you're surrounded by pigeons. At your feet. In your lap. On your head. That was this scene. We were quickly separated from each other and guided to our own booths where a grandmotherly woman came over with a laser pointer and told each of us to choose. We were soon joined by as many girls as could fit in the booth. Drinks were flowing. We were laughing. Touching. Hugging. Occasionally glancing at each other with a "can you believe this" look on our faces. Time flew by. Obviously, I thought. This is as far as this will go. A great story to tell when we get back home. Or so I thought. After being entertained by my group for what seemed an hour or so, I looked around and realized one of my friends was nowhere to be found. In the bathroom we assumed. So we waited. Then looked and it was empty. We became a little concerned because we had been warned about kidnappings prior to our trip and we knew nothing about the neighborhood we were in except that it probably wasn't the most respectable or safest. Was he slipped something in his drink? He was known to drink a little too much especially when there were women around. We waited some more before questioning the mamasan and bartenders. "Your friend left with two girls" they said. No way we said. He wouldn't do that without letting us know. We were both nervous and annoyed. After waiting quite a while for him to return, we decided to go back and check the hotel. To our surprise when the doorman pulled back the curtain at the front door of the club, it was light out. It was 7:00 am! We had been there for four or five hours. Time does fly when you're having fun. When we got back to the hotel we crowded around the door to our missing colleague's room and listened. To see if we he could hear anything inside. We sure did. We heard two female voices and some giggling. The SOB did leave us high and dry. The next day he told us he didn't know what happened. But he remembered the experience. And that it cost him $40 each and all of the fruit in his fruit dish. Unfortunately, someone in our group of four was a rat and blabbed to the rest of our business group and ultimately somebody in the larger group reported his behavior. He didn't get in much trouble but had to have an embarrassing conversation with the senior director of our department who was a woman. He told her he was just getting a massage. Not sure she believed him but there was no other fall out. He hasn't been back to the Philippines since though. Stinks for him.
One night, myself and one other of our foursome (not knowing there was a rat in our midst. This guy turned out to be safe though) decided we wanted to check out a casino. I want to say it was on the way to the airport. Not sure about that. But it was directly across the street from the Edsa Entertainment Complex. Anyone know the name? The casino was quite different from what I'm used to at home. It was filled with mostly men. Though there was a band playing with another beautiful, huge tits female lead singer. We tried our luck at craps. The table had several people playing including a couple that looked like they couldn't afford to be (as is typical of most craps tables) and at the "head" was a cappo looking older man. The first thing that popped into my head was The Godfather. Not that anyone was rude to us, but they seemed to be extra attentive to him. He must've been a whale. Or organized crime I thought. But he was friendly to us. I was surprised when he ordered fried chicken and they delivered it to him on a TV tray as he was shooting the dice. Never played greasy dice craps before. Maybe that's why we didn't win. After playing for a short while, we asked the dealer where to go for a drink and without hesitation, he told us to go "across the street". The table seemed to nod in agreement. And off we went.
Going across the street sounds much easier than it really is as we had to cross at least five lanes of highway to get there. It was like human flogger. And halfway across we were met by the "grandmas" who had run into the middle of traffic from the other side in an effort to get to us "first". It was pretty shocking to see them each holding a very small baby. With cars whizzing by just inches away. I'm a sucker for these people and will help out where I can and we both donated to the cause. What the money went for I don't know. But it made me feel better to give it.
EDSA was like Disney World for men. We tried out many of the clubs. We were there to drink only we said. Being on business and all. In fact, the guy I was with brought his wife on the trip so his options were very limited. We also didn't know each other that well as we work in different areas of our very large international company. Definitely not well enough to share very personal experiences or secrets with. So we said. Drinks only. But for me it was a reconnaissance mission. One of the clubs was themed like a firehouse with the girls in skimpy but theme appropriate attire. These girls were too pushy for us and it was very crowded, so we moved on to the next. There was a space themed one that I remember, maybe a wild west saloon. And the cotton club. My favorite club turned out to be one that I can't even remember the theme. It wasn't too crowded but there were a lot of girls. Not pushy at all. In fact quite shy. All dressed in little bikinis. We settled in here for a while. And I took notes.
I was staying in Manila longer than most of the contingent (much to my pleasure). This enabled me more freedom on the second half of my trip and I began venturing out alone. On consecutive nights I went back to Edsa. The first night I saw a beautiful, Chinese looking girl (my favorite type) and I had grandma single her out with her laser. Mamasan was in a very generous mood and brought over more girls than I asked for. I only requested one. Now I know this is a money making strategy. More girls. More drinks. Not just drinks either. The girls are hungry. In fact grandma is hungry too. And what about the DJ. And the doorman. Can't forget them. And guess what. They're all thirsty as well. At first I was generous. Who cares. We really aren't talking about a lot of money. This experience was so surreal, the idea of running up a $100 bar tab didn't really make me flinch. But I caught on quickly and wasn't going to be taken for a rube going forward. After a while it became time to make a call. Bring the girl back to the hotel. Or not. I had never done anything like this before and I didn't know what to expect. Am I going to be scammed. Mugged. Blackmailed? What was the reaction at the hotel going to be? It's a long walk from the front door to the elevators. Through a crowded lobby. Past a huge, crowded lobby bar. Past the girls working the front desk who had come to know me by name. Same with the doormen who addressed me with a smile every time I passed by. The heck with it. I decided to give it a go. We hopped in a taxi outside the complex. The walk through the doors of the hotel and through the lobby was as uncomfortable as I feared. I kept my eyes focused either on the girl or in the direction of the elevators. It was truly a walk of shame but I was powerless to resist it. The hotel seemed to take for ever and I was sure someone I knew was about to round the corner. Back in the room safely, she asked if she could shower. I said of course. It was a mistake I suppose to not ask if I could join her. Hey I 'm new at this. She came out looking and smelling great, wearing the fluffy, white hotel robe. We lay on the bed and watched TV for a while. Getting comfortable with each other. Until one thing led to another. I was determined to be safe but it was hard to resist when she came in for a kiss. She told me she was knew as this and nervous. And while I'm sure it's a line, it seemed believable enough and more importantly, for peace of mind I wanted to believe it. Ultimately a great time was had by all. I can't remember what the total out of pocket was but $40 to the girl plus cab fare sounds about right.
The next night I went back hoping to find my first runner up from the night before. She was from the same club and was more Spanish looking. Young and petite. With a bubbly personality and enormous tits. It was a tough decision on night number one. I went with the Chinese looking one and she was an absolute sweet heart. No complaints from me there. But the Spanish girl was on my mind now and I had to give it a go. Unfortunately, the DJ made a loud announcement over the sound system when I walked in. Welcome Sir "John". My name then emblazoned on video monitors throughout the club. This prompted mamasan to come running over for a hug and probably more chicken wings. Before I knew it she was escorting the Chinese looking girl over to my booth. Without my asking. The one I had gone there to see was up on stage. Somewhat dancing. Mostly swaying. And staring right at me. What to do. What to do. In retrospect the right answer might have been take both. But I didn't have the heart to not be happy to see my friend from the night before and we spent another nice night together. That ends my second experience in Makati.
Fast forward to today. This is where my trip report becomes a request for information.
Again. I will be travelling on business accompanied by coworkers. This time however, I will have a couple nights all to myself. Not much I know, but due to the timing of the trip that's all I could squeeze in this time. So my question to anyone who's read this far. If anyone has. Is this. How do I maximize my experience with such limited time?
I am fairly confident in my social game and the idea of the conquest. Meeting a regular girl and hitting it off. Is very, very appealing to me. But 48 hours isn't really enough time I don't think. Even in the Philippines. I could go back to Edsa. But while I had a great experience. The idea of shooting fish in a barrel takes away some of the excitement. Yes the end game is the same. And fantastic (most likely) but it doesn't compare to the thrill and building momentum of something that is desired but distant. A maybe possibility turning into something that is definitely going to happen. So I'm tempted by the bar scene. But which ones? I've heard a lot about Caf Havana which is close by, but most of what I've heard is bad. The malls sound enticing as well. What mall on this planet isn't filled with beautiful women? But again. There's no time to waste.
I also thought that maybe the right answer is to just stay at my home base. The Shangri La. The lobby bar fills up with beautiful women. The hotel is staffed by mostly beautiful women. The Horizon Lounge had particularly beautiful. Model caliber. Women.
On my second trip, I did request an in massage. And there were extras offered. Unfortunately, the masseuse they sent up had to be 50 years old. A nice lady but not much too look at. She had a willing hand though and that's all I was really interested in from her. I'the hate to waste one of my limited opportunities this time on another 50 year old.
If anyone has any success stories. Or lack of success stories from within the Shangri La, I'd love to hear them.
I'm also wondering about opportunities within Horizon Lounge. My last time there, there were girls in there. Not hotel employees. But "guests". On my second trip there I was hit on. Molested is a more accurate description. In the Horizon Lounge. In the back of the lounge there were individual computer rooms (slightly larger than a closet) where one can go to check their email. Play on the net. Etc. While I was in one checking my email I heard someone getting frustrated in the room next door. Then I heard a female voice behind me say "Excuse me. I'm having a problem with this computer. Can you help?" She was older. Maybe late 30's but a very attractive Filipino woman. Of course I said yes. When I got in her computer room, I noticed she closed the smoked glass door behind us. I quickly realized there was nothing wrong with the computer at all as she started to undo my shorts and came in for a kiss. Because my peers were just around the corner, just a few feet away. I held her off. We parted with her giving me her phone and room number but I never used it. I wonder if that's a common experience? Do woman rent rooms in the hotel and hang out in the lounge looking for a willing business man?
So that's my tale. And my questions. I'm open to any and all feedback. I'm not an expert but want to act expertly when I get there. I'the prefer an organic experience if one can be cultivated in such a short period of time. But I'the settle for the fish in the barrel approach as well.
Thoughts?
Hoza
BrainDrain
09-20-15, 02:48
It is Individual preference who they want. Finding a normal girl with all its headaches takes effort.You do need to have lots of these lined up as the excuses do come fast when you are actualy on the ground in MAnila and looking to catch up. Here are some the=from the last week:
Oh, I'm in Saudi now.
I'm working now.
My aunty says I must be home by xx.
I'm too shy, my friends might see etc etc.
Man are lame excuses, many are legitimate but then the ones whom are available do shine through. Just have to be prepared for the high burn rate of the prospect list. Don't be hung up on the the 'one' whom you really thought was going to be hot.
Dating normal girls is more fun for me. But it is not really time effective.
Perhaps we need to generic profile. A FB & PL profile that can be shared between mongers whom visit at different times of the year. I'd be happy to pass on my profiles from this last trip as by the time I get back in 2-3 months many of the girls will have found a steady partner. I think all contacts have an expiry period.
BD.
Dark Knight1
09-20-15, 04:05
You do need to have lots of these lined up as the excuses do come fast when you are actualy on the ground in MAnila and looking to catch up. Here are some the=from the last week:
Oh, I'm in Saudi now.
I'm working now.
My aunty says I must be home by xx.
I'm too shy, my friends might see etc etc.
Man are lame excuses.....
BD.My favorite stalling tactic they use when they require a chaperon for the foreigner but didn't for Pinoy name Boy Chok who took their virginity in the searing humidity under the mango tree.
Now that was a pretty damn good first report. I especially like the part where some gal tries to seduce you in a hotel computer cubicle. I sincerely hope the stars align and you are able to spend a month in the Philippines!
Only two days? Ouch. You already know this, but EDSA would be a great choice. If you want the thrill of the hunt, you might try one of the online sights to set something up before your arrival. PM me and I'll share a few that I never got around to meeting. No guarantees of course. MOA might be worth a stroll. If possible, make a card with your contact info. Be discrete, be creative, confidently give her the card, you'll usually get a text within ten minutes. Caveat, you might get 40 text before sundown.
Hi everyone,
SNIP
Thoughts?
Hoza
Thanks for the response. A few questions if you don't mind. Is there a standard bar fine at the Edsa Complex or does it vary by club? Is it negotiable? Also, what should it cost to take a taxi from the Shangri La to Edsa? Any safety concerns either in the taxi or at the complex? I remember last time, it seemed the taxi drivers took a different route each time I went and I could never tell if we were going where I wanted to. It all worked out but did make me nervous a couple times. Especially when I ventured out later at night.
Almost every taxi driver I had showed me pictures of girls and asked me if I wanted to go see them. Doesn't seem like a good idea. Anyone have any experience with that?
Hoza
Now that was a pretty damn good first report. I especially like the part where some gal tries to seduce you in a hotel computer cubicle. I sincerely hope the stars align and you are able to spend a month in the Philippines!
Only two days? Ouch. You already know this, but EDSA would be a great choice. If you want the thrill of the hunt, you might try one of the online sights to set something up before your arrival. PM me and I'll share a few that I never got around to meeting. No guarantees of course. MOA might be worth a stroll. If possible, make a card with your contact info. Be discrete, be creative, confidently give her the card, you'll usually get a text within ten minutes. Caveat, you might get 40 text before sundown.
Thanks for the response. A few questions if you don't mind. Is there a standard bar fine at the Edsa Complex or does it vary by club? Is it negotiable? Also, what should it cost to take a taxi from the Shangri La to Edsa? Any safety concerns either in the taxi or at the complex? I remember last time, it seemed the taxi drivers took a different route each time I went and I could never tell if we were going where I wanted to. It all worked out but did make me nervous a couple times. Especially when I ventured out later at night.
Almost every taxi driver I had showed me pictures of girls and asked me if I wanted to go see them. Doesn't seem like a good idea. Anyone have any experience with that?
HozaEach bar has it's own bar fine. I've negotiated before, but it was because I was taking 2 girls (I don't remember the bar or price as it was almost 2 years ago). Doesn't hurt to try.
Obviously, the taxi fare depends on traffic. But it should be between 100-200 PHP. A couple of points: you could use Uber (if you are ok with charges showing up on your credit card). You can perform a search on the Philippines form for "Uber" and see the pros and cons of Uber in the Philippines. I use Uber now, but before when I didn't know the Philippines well, I would always boot up google maps and the destination to make sure we were headed in the right direction.
If you taking a regular taxi, just ask the hotel to flag you a metered taxi and they will make a record of the taxi number to give you some "sense" of security.
(there have been some posts on the taxi girls at casas, but I have never participated.).
Cool Traveler
09-21-15, 23:23
There a lot of good gentlemen here that have posted copious amount of information. Being a techie, you should have no trouble running a search for all your questions. In any case, I wrote something up for you and anyone else who is looking for information based on my latest trip which was last month. I will be there again mid October.
1: Walk of shame.
When I first started doing this, I was staying at the Renaissance (Now, the New World Hotel). I felt like every single eyeball at the hotel was on me. Dude, no one cares, really. If anyone asks, your response is, I am single (even if you are married), and I love women, if that makes you feel better!! But the thing is no one is going to ask you, or talk to you about it. At hotels like Shangri La, their eyes are on the girl and NOT on YOU. They are worried about your safety. I have talked to a lot of these security guys, as I have stayed at almost every 5 star hotel in Makati. They do not care. But they do care about you. One of their goal is to remember the girl, so when she leaves, they will remember to stop her and call your room, to make sure she is not absconding with anything.
2: Front of Hard Roc Café.
At any given night, there are a bunch of freelancers that lurk around there, especially along that street, from Havana (Glorietta 5) to Shangri La and the Intercontinental. They wait for guys walking back to the hotel. But buyers beware, a lot of them, especially the pretty ones are ladyboys. The more aggressive they, the more likely they are ladyboys. Especially if they are really pretty, they are more than likely ladyboys. Hot and pretty girls along this route are extremely rare. I made this walk between Shangri LA and the Intercontinental, numerous times. On some occasions I do see sweet looking girls, homely looking girls, but I am yet to pick one up. Never wanted to take that risk of ending up with a LB. And I have walked back without a girl in my arms sometimes because I did not want company for that night, and have been accosted by these "girls" all the way back. That time where the "girl" called you, and eventually showed up at Hard Rock Café with another guy, is probably a ladyboy. I always wondered about this. But I think they hang out along this route because they have been turned away by the security guards around Glorieta 5.
3: Hard Rock Café.
I have been to this place couple of times and always left empty. Hard Rock Café is always filled with regular families, and always busy. A lot of birthday parties go on at Hard Rock Café. So, probably a place to have a few drinks but not a place to find too many chickadees.
4: Glorieta 5.
This is where Café Havana and Spicy Fingers is located. Two good (based on who you are talking to) places to pick up free lancers. It will cost you anywhere between 2000 K to 5000 K, depending on how good of a picker upper you are and / or negotiator.
4. 1: Café Havana:
Café Havana is a good spot to have drinks, eat a meal, watch girls and pick them up for the night. Beware, that before 10 PM, there will be a lot of regular people with regular women, so be careful when you are eyeballing them or hitting on them. As a newbie, probably wait until they eyeball you. Most of the FLs come after 10 PM, peaking at about midnight. After 10 PM there will be quite a few to choose from. On some days, there will be few good ones, and on some days, it will look like candy-land. Most are seasoned FLs. Some have been coming to that joint for years. So, they know the deal. Sometimes, some are new. The new ones are always with a seasoned FLs. Rarely, have I seen the new ones come alone. I can spot them easily as I have been going there for years now. The seasoned one's, are the one that will look and connect with you. I always allow that to happen, and quickly move on to the shy, demure newbie. The girls tend to spread out between Starbucks, Café Havana and Seattle's Best Coffee. I tend to sit at the Spanish bar right next Seattle's Best Coffee. They have 2 for 1 San Miguel. One thing I noticed about Havana is, the girls on the inside of the bar, generally ask for a lot of money, and they always tend to be horrible, deserving of the boot. Pick from the outside. Sitting at Havana table costs money, so the girls would ask for more. So, sometimes you will find good looking girls at Starbucks or Seattle's tables.
4. 2: Spicy Fingers.
A great place for loud music, alcoholic drinks, and oily-greasy unhealthy food. They have about 4 bands that rotate though this place, and the music is very good. This is my most common hang out. I drink and listen, and sometimes FLs walk in, and I walk out with them. And, sometimes, I walk out empty handed, but definitely always had a good night listening to music and drinking my San Miguel. If you are in a group, this is a rocking place, to drink and shake some booties. Story time. Once a pretty girl walked in with a guy, and they looked more like GF / BF situation. The guy who looked like an Aussie, was all into her. They sat a table away from me. And after about 2 songs I realized she looked very familiar. It dawned on me, I did a threesome with that girl. She desperately tried hard not to look in my direction and give her away. Poor girl. Anyway, not my business right? Again, best times are after 10 PM.
Both Spicy Fingers and Havana are about 15 minute walk away from Shangri La or the Intercontinental. By the time you get back to your hotel, all your buddies probably will be asleep or drinking at the lounge. My advice to you is be open with the security guys (not the gals). The guys! Just when you leave, ask for directions and just comment, "and that's where all the girls are". You would be surprised how forthcoming they are with information. The walk also will give you an option of thinking over what you plan to do? Usually by the time when I get close to my hotel, if I feel like something is not right, I send them off. I just tell them, you know what I do not feel good, and let them go. But I do give them between 200 P and 500 P for their trouble. None have ever complained.
Remember, close to 2 am, more desperate they get to staying in a nice room.
5: Do not be stingy.
For a lot of these girls. This is livelihood for them. Remember when they sit at Havana or Spicy fingers, they are spending about 200 P to 500 P, that they have to recoup along with transportation costs. I always talk to them in a very nice way. Not like a business negotiation, or haggling, but by making jokes, and asking in a sideways manner. How much for the night? What all can we do? Are you on your periods? Yeah, you heard me, "are you on your periods"? Condoms? My suggestion to you, always have condoms from your home country. It is hard to find Magnum Trojan out there! Recommended donation: 3000 K. If you do take a 2 girls, talk before hand and say, "is 5000 for both of you OK? And you will split it 2500 for each of you? Remember to say this, because they can say that you offered 5000 each. Comprende amigo? And again, do not be stingy. If they do a good job, pay them more, be kind hearted. I had girls who were so incredible, where they gave me a full body massage, full action, top down, and bathing me and so on, and woke you up with a blow job, and stayed until noon, and all morning sex, and did not touch a thing of yours in the room, I always ended up giving them a whole lot more. Don't be stingy. Don't hurt them. Be nice to them, and they have always responded kindly.
6. Be careful.
Your most valuable thing is your life. Be aware at all times what you are doing. Get drunk, but do not get so wasted, that you are out of your senses. On the way out, remember the path you took. Memorize some landmarks. Take the same way back. Don't walk down darkened alleys. I followed a pretty thing after she made some eye contact when I was naive and young, and just before I got close to her, 4 Filipino guys converged on her, in a dark alley. I did the smart thing; and turned and walked away. It is always better to walk away from trouble, or when your 6th sense tingles. Your second most valuable thing is your passport. Lock it in the safe. They have a safe at all the 5 star hotels. I always put all of my credit cards, except for one, some of my cash, my drivers license etc, in the safe. Just take enough. Just have enough to pay for the girl in the wallet for the night, plus what you think you are going to spend on food and drinks, plus one single VISA card.
Enjoy.
This is just my 2 cents. If you want to flame, go find someone else to flame. But constructive criticisms are welcome, and you can make your own good suggestions on how things can be done better. I am learned now, because of all the good contributions made by many on this site, especially the senior members. Thank you gentlemen.
CT.
Thanks for the response. A few questions if you don't mind. Is there a standard bar fine at the Edsa Complex or does it vary by club? Is it negotiable? Also, what should it cost to take a taxi from the Shangri La to Edsa? Any safety concerns either in the taxi or at the complex? I remember last time, it seemed the taxi drivers took a different route each time I went and I could never tell if we were going where I wanted to. It all worked out but did make me nervous a couple times. Especially when I ventured out later at night.
Almost every taxi driver I had showed me pictures of girls and asked me if I wanted to go see them. Doesn't seem like a good idea. Anyone have any experience with that?
Hoza
An informative report by CT.
1: Walk of shame.Stride of pride.
4: Glorieta 5.
This is where Caf Havana and Spicy Fingers is located. Two good (based on who you are talking to) places to pick up free lancers. It will cost you anywhere between 2000 K to 5000 K, depending on how good of a picker upper you are and / or negotiator.They are located in Greenbelt 3 and Greenbelt 2, respectively.
Member #4611
09-22-15, 13:29
There a lot of good gentlemen here that have posted copious amount of information
CT.And you just did an excellent job! Excellent advice.
FK
Hoza1,
When I was at EDSA this March, a Mamasan told me that all the bars have set a 1950 Peso barfine; things might have changed since Of course, you still must pay the girl after that. I have paid 2500 P short time and 4000 P long time but YMMV. I don't generally negotiate. If I think the girl is worth it, I pay it.
But you will also shell out some pesos for what I think of as mongering parasites. Those that make a living off of mongering activities such as the guy in the restroom that massages your shoulders while you take a leak (uncomfortable) or hands you a towel; Mamasan wanting a "tip" or a drink; your girl asking to buy her "cousin" a drink; the guy that "hails" a cab for you, the cab who charges extra for a horny sucker walking out of EDSA, etc. This is just pocket change, but it still gets annoying. Maybe it is best to think of it as a mongering tax.
Blanquiceleste
09-23-15, 01:30
There a lot of good gentlemen here that have posted copious amount of information. Being a techie, you should have no trouble running a search for all your questions. In any case, I wrote something up for you and anyone else who is looking for information based on my latest trip which was last month. I will be there again mid October.What a fantastic post. A great reminder of all the right things. Way to go CT.
Blanquiceleste
09-23-15, 01:35
EDSA all the bars have set a 1950 Peso barfine; things might have changed since Of course, you still must pay the girl after that. I have paid 2500 P short time and 4000 P long time but YMMV. I think a bar fine is a reasonable practice because once you take the girl out her ability to make money for the bar is neutralized. But personally, I think P1950 for a BF is ridiculous. Now there are ways around this. Find a girl and talk to her nicely. Eventually she will advise you on how to save this BF money (or re-direct part of it to her).
Many thanks for taking the time to share this info. Great read and informative. So much to respond to. Might have to do so over multiple posts. Regarding the search functionality on this site. I need to spend more time mastering it. I've tried several times and typically end up on page 57 of a 500 page thread. Is there a better way? I like to read. But don't have time to scour 500 pages of text.
Walk of shame. I'm sure I'll get over it, but the last time I was there one of the doormen that I had become friendly with definitely looked displeased when I came back with a girl. And again several hours later when I escorted her out to her taxi. His demeanor changed for the rest of my trip. I felt bad about quite honestly. Not enough to not do it again the next night though. LOL Maybe because I had been there as a business man for 10 days prior to "venturing out" and he was just surprised by my change in focus. I wondered what the girls at the desk that I had become friendly with thought as well. In the end, it doesn't really matter. My biggest fear however was being spotted by coworkers. Which didn't happen.
The Hard Rock. Thanks for the heads up on the lady boys. The girl that approached me I'm 99.99% sure was female. She was too damn pretty not to be. That being said, I've been to Phuket twice and enjoyed the lady boy cabaret on Bangla road and saw some lady boys there I absolutely could've made the mistake with. Full disclosure. This didn't make it into my first post. One night in the Shangri La I saw the cutest, damn girl sitting with a friend and of course we made eye contact. One thing lead to another and we end up in my room. We both start to get naked, when I noticed she left her panties on. I asked her why and she said she had her period. Alarms started going off in my head and I said. Just pull them down and then you can put them back on. "She" wouldn't do it. At this point I had already given her 2000 and I just wanted her out of the room without incident. So I told her she could keep the money but she has to leave. She did. Later that night I'm back in the lobby bar having a glass of wine and counting my mistakes and I see "her" walking back toward the elevators with another guy. Not sure how that turned out. Huge learning experience for me. I won't make that mistake twice. Probably won't spend much time in the Hard Rock either.
"Don't be stingy". I'm definitely not, probably to a fault. When I see colorful money I treat it like monopoly money. When I was in a club in the Edsa Complex. I saw a cute young girl. She had crooked teeth and very visible stretch marks on her stomach and breasts. Far from a 10 but still cute in her own way. Nobody was giving her much attention and I felt bad for her. So I invited her to my table even though I had a couple girls visiting me already. I bought her drinks and food and when I left (with a different girl), I slipped this one 2000 just to be nice. I tried to be discrete but the next night when I showed up I was a celebrity. Every girl in the place knew it seemed and they all wanted to know why I did it. Just to be nice I said.
Condoms. Definitely bringing my own and some vitamin V as well. I don't need it, but why take chances. No such thing as performance anxiety with that. Actually, if all goes as planned, by the end of my trip I probably will need the boost.
Hoza
There a lot of good gentlemen here that have posted copious amount of information. Being a techie, you should have no trouble running a search for all your questions. In any case, I wrote something up for you and anyone else who is looking for information based on my latest trip which was last month. I will be there again mid October.
I love this. Mongering tax. Probably the only tax I don't mind paying.
Sorry for the basic question. What's the definition of short time versus long time? Is short time based on number of pops or hours?
Hoza
Hoza1,
When I was at EDSA this March, a Mamasan told me that all the bars have set a 1950 Peso barfine; things might have changed since Of course, you still must pay the girl after that. I have paid 2500 P short time and 4000 P long time but YMMV. I don't generally negotiate. If I think the girl is worth it, I pay it.
But you will also shell out some pesos for what I think of as mongering parasites. Those that make a living off of mongering activities such as the guy in the restroom that massages your shoulders while you take a leak (uncomfortable) or hands you a towel; Mamasan wanting a "tip" or a drink; your girl asking to buy her "cousin" a drink; the guy that "hails" a cab for you, the cab who charges extra for a horny sucker walking out of EDSA, etc. This is just pocket change, but it still gets annoying. Maybe it is best to think of it as a mongering tax.
WestCoast1
09-23-15, 05:18
Sorry for the basic question. What's the definition of short time versus long time? Is short time based on number of pops or hours?
HozaST is usually 1-3 hours, with 90-120 minutes being typical. Be specific with both your time and pop needs. If you don't specify, she might be heading for the door while you are still breathing heavy from your first pop just 20 minutes after arrival in your room (this is unusual, but it happens). LT typically includes overnight, but she might want to depart at sunup. Again, be specific with your time request. If you want her to stay until 9 am, ask in the bar or on the street before agreeing to take her to your room. I tell the girls they are mine for as much play as I want during the specified timeframe. I also specify the deeds (its unromantic, but no surprises in the room for anyone).
GoodEnough
09-23-15, 10:54
"Glorieta 5.
This is where Caf Havana and Spicy Fingers is located. Two good (based on who you are talking to) places to pick up free lancers. It will cost you anywhere between 2000 K to 5000 K, depending on how good of a picker upper you are and / or negotiator."
Great post Cool Traveler. Just please note that Havana and Spicy Fingers are in Greenbelt, not Gloriette. I'm fairly sure Caf Havana is Greembelt 3.
GE.
Great post Cool Traveler. Just please note that Havana and Spicy Fingers are in Greenbelt, not Gloriette. I'm fairly sure Caf Havana is Greembelt 3.
Greenbelt 1 is the original Greenbelt with the entrance off Paseo de Roxas;.
Spicy Fingers is in Greenbelt 2; Cafe Havana is Greenbelt 3;.
Greenbelt 4 has the high end shops, with Ayala Museum at the northern end; Greenbelt 5 completes the square (rectangle), and is visible across from Cafe Havana.
ST is usually 1-3 hours, with 90-120 minutes being typical. Be specific with both your time and pop needs. If you don't specify, she might be heading for the door while you are still breathing heavy from your first pop just 20 minutes after arrival in your room (this is unusual, but it happens). LT typically includes overnight, but she might want to depart at sunup. Again, be specific with your time request. If you want her to stay until 9 am, ask in the bar or on the street before agreeing to take her to your room. I tell the girls they are mine for as much play as I want during the specified timeframe. I also specify the deeds (its unromantic, but no surprises in the room for anyone).All this talk about ST vs LT is not iron clad irrespective of what is discussed and what is agreed upon. Like apples and oranges girls attitude depends. Some believe they need to fulfill their obligations while others could not care less.
Bottom line is there is no way you can force the girl to stay with you till agreed time. Flip side who would want a unfriendly girl with you anyway after the deed is done? Beware of short changing in the money department. Girls can and will try to cause you problems if that happens.
Cool Traveler
09-25-15, 17:51
Red,
Thanks for the correction and to all others who corrected. I stand corrected. Good job guys.
Greenbelt 1 is the original Greenbelt with the entrance off Paseo de Roxas;.
Spicy Fingers is in Greenbelt 2; Cafe Havana is Greenbelt 3;.
Greenbelt 4 has the high end shops, with Ayala Museum at the northern end; Greenbelt 5 completes the square (rectangle), and is visible across from Cafe Havana.
Cool Traveler
09-25-15, 18:11
I mean, it is not that I don't feel it anymore. I still feel the eyeballs on me. I have meetings at lobby, and luncheons with business associates at the Jeepney at Intercon. So, when I started doing this, I felt the same exact way you do.
One way, I made things happen is walk close to the hotel. Walk in to your hotel by yourself. And ask the girl to come in by herself. The girls have no problems and probably have done this quite a few times. We are talking about chicks you are picking up at clubs and bars. Not dating site girls. She needs your name and Room number. She is going to find out anyway when she walks into your room. I have always given just the first name, and room number and instructed the girl to tell the front, that I had invited her. Give it a try. This way, you also avoid being caught by your colleagues. Just a suggestion.
Walk of shame. I'm sure I'll get over it, but the last time I was there one of the doormen that I had become friendly with definitely looked displeased when I came back with a girl. And again several hours later when I escorted her out to her taxi. His demeanor changed for the rest of my trip. I felt bad about quite honestly. Not enough to not do it again the next night though. LOL Maybe because I had been there as a business man for 10 days prior to "venturing out" and he was just surprised by my change in focus. I wondered what the girls at the desk that I had become friendly with thought as well. In the end, it doesn't really matter. My biggest fear however was being spotted by coworkers. Which didn't happen.
Hoza
Member #4387
09-26-15, 06:38
Arriving into Makati yesterday afternoon was a breeze as it obviously was a holiday. ETA 4:35 pm by Emirates in T3 20 min ahead of scheduel and I was the first one deplaning and the first one to get my bag. No other arriving aircrafts at the moment so imm was swift. All in all I spend 15 min from deplaining until I sat in taxi. Another 15 min I was in my hotel. Again it was holiday but if I would leave that out I would think phils actually start working.
Had my first appointment at 7 pm. Since I was early I got the girls (yes it was a duette and they were both bi sexuals) to arrive 6 pm, leaving some air in between my meetups at 8:30 pm, 9:30 pm and 11 pm. 11 pm beeing an overnighter of best quality phils can provide. She is so gullible and does not know that I am only using her for sex purposes. Fine by me.
All the girls prior to 11 pm got 2000 piso in taxi money and they did all do the dildo play, loads of fucking and they were very friendly. They were very happy indeed and 2 of them refused. I insisted and called it the gift. 11 pm girl left at 10 am this morning leaving me with just enough time for housekeepers to swipe out all evidence and to arrange myself into my 11 am meet up (also duette). She got 5000 piso bcs she deserves it beeing a good provider and anal friendly as well.
Duette this fine morning was a blast and when I did double team at the diningtable (fucking one and dildoing the other) the dildo girl started laughing bcs it tickled. After a few short minutes we found ourself at the floor laughing our asses off. Its the strangest thing and ofcourse she never did try a sextool before. She did like it though. The other girl from the duette thought it was hurtful and to big. We continued in bed and they provided me with great session.
Yesterday I experienced a pipe blockage and could not cum one single time. Today with the duette I came steong and hard and shot great juices all over (and that's not lying). 3 minutes break and we sat off again for another cum 10-15 min later. Mstrange about yesterday. Anyone else from you fine gents experienced simular happenings? I was yesterday and tody putting out my best efforts and I covered them all girls in sweat as I was realy pumping hard. Maybe I was to focused on the ejac situation?.
Writing this as I am waiting the 2 pm arrival? I have a 4 pm as well with a known menstruation problem but to beautiful to leave her out and almost 170 cm tall. This lawyer will get it strong and hard and I will debate corruption with her. 6 pm girl I am excited about, 7-11 girl, 8 pm beeing a callcentergirl close to my hotel and 11 pm (left some space) we have a party if I am not dead from all the daytime drinking and fucking. Cabincrewgirl in town tonight (Qatar).
Member #4387
09-26-15, 06:58
In light of my previous report I will adress the following. Not an good idea to scheduel girl with only one hour slack. Session nice and everything but time runs fast when bedplaying. Fucking the 8:30 pm girl good I saw the display on my phone lit up and it was the 9:30 pm arrival beeing early and downstairs.
What do we do in this situation? Well I stopped fucking or my dick went softie (its all a blur due to relatively heavy drinking). I told her my colleague was alerting me of some serious business (just bullshit ofcourse as i am going solo). The girl dressed up and left. I stalled the other girl for a while and just awaited the situation to get the girl out of the hotel and away from the entrance area. Sexurity called and I say "ok, she can go". 10 min later or so I felt safe to elevate downstairs to pick up 9:30 pm girl.
When I arrive outside, like just uncritical just stepping out from the entrance, the first girl I see is the "supposed to be departed girl".
Without them having any knowledge of eachother and the arrving girl next to the departed one did not know me very well (only a few pics shared that's it in the fake fb). I helloed the departing girl and just walked away. I stalled and looked back and saw the departing girl leaving. I turned around and fetched the arriving girl. Luckely she was ofcourse occupied by her iphone, while i was passing by, so did not notice I was walking infront of her 2 minutes earlier. That was a close one guys.
In my hotel its not very easy to get girls, even if they have your name and room no, inside the lobby. It happens when I have more like office / biz women over for a shag bcs they can go inside / outside anywere and very well might be staying at my hotels.
WOW. How much do you hate women? Pretty impressive.
If you're trying to fool these girls into thinking this is more than just sex, why do you schedule them so close together? And why so many? How many fake girl friends does one guy need? Sounds like an unnecessary headache to me.
I'm guessing if their "relationship" with you only exists in 60 minute intervals. Spent fucking no less. They probably are on to you. Just a hunch.
In light of my previous report I will adress the following. Not an good idea to scheduel girl with only one hour slack. Session nice and everything but time runs fast when bedplaying. Fucking the 8:30 pm girl good I saw the display on my phone lit up and it was the 9:30 pm arrival beeing early and downstairs.
What do we do in this situation? Well I stopped fucking or my dick went softie (its all a blur due to relatively heavy drinking). I told her my colleague was alerting me of some serious business (just bullshit ofcourse as i am going solo). The girl dressed up and left. I stalled the other girl for a while and just awaited the situation to get the girl out of the hotel and away from the entrance area. Sexurity called and I say "ok, she can go". 10 min later or so I felt safe to elevate downstairs to pick up 9:30 pm girl.
When I arrive outside, like just uncritical just stepping out from the entrance, the first girl I see is the "supposed to be departed girl"..
WestCoast1
09-26-15, 16:03
WOW. How much do you hate women? Pretty impressive.
If you're trying to fool these girls into thinking this is more than just sex, why do you schedule them so close together?He's not trying to fool them into thinking there is more. He would simply not like them to know there is another gal coming in right behind them. Even hookers don't like: "Next"!
We have discussed it many times on the board over the years, how much to let the girls to think about us, how much to let them know about us, and how we allow them to perceive the relationship. Personally, I (try to) *never* let girls think they are the "only one" for me. This can be difficult with pinay: they are often full of drama, and make up lies and have misconceptions in their heads regarding the relationship (regardless of my telling them, both before and after bedding them, that I have multiple girls). Skogis is simply paying them for the time / service to him.
There seems to be a rock-solid belief system in pinoy culture regarding boy / girl relationships, that seems to go something like this: {Meet. Attracted. Date. Engage. Marry. Raise up a bunch of babies. Stay sweet on each other thru old age}. That is not always a reality, but the belief seems to be held solidly in almost all pinoy I've run into. Westerners also have this belief system, but we also understand there are breakups, and also people who don't want anything to do with this system. Tell any pinoy that you don't believe in this system (ie, that you don't want marriage, or kids, or that you want kids outside of marriage) and they will look at you like you are from another planet, and they might try and change your mind (to the point of re-arguing the idea with you ad nauseum).
Skogis is trying to avoid all that by paying them for a quickie.
And why so many? How many fake girl friends does one guy need?That seems an odd question for a monger. Extra girlfriends are like dollar bills: One can never have too many.
Member #4387
09-26-15, 16:04
WOW. How much do you hate women? Pretty impressive.
If you're trying to fool these girls into thinking this is more than just sex, why do you schedule them so close together? And why so many? How many fake girl friends does one guy need? Sounds like an unnecessary headache to me.
I'm guessing if their "relationship" with you only exists in 60 minute intervals. Spent fucking no less. They probably are on to you. Just a hunch.WTF? Hate women, I love women the most in the world and in this saying is ofcourse the problem I want them to much. I have found an effective way of dating from a fake fb account. I don't have to do like you and write reports happening 10+ years ago with more or less success nor do I have to ask question about what is this and that in December when I presume you are going to phils. You could just RTFF and you would know all answers.
That beeing said, I love women. I respect them and I never delude them into believing they are going to relationship me. By far not. I am witty, I am smart, I don't look to bad and I am not to old (no pun intended, I know many of you "oldies" are successful as well). I am open about my intentions, I am clear about I am just in town for a short period of time (this is by the way my 16 time in Makati 2015, more to come, I guess you have been here how many times?). They are not P4 P girls but still they enjoy the ride I give them. They want to meet me and all girls mentioning money are ruled out as in a "no go". I allways compensate them and good too but very few know this when we meet.
I lie to them ofcourse as in each and one of them are told a story when I come, what I do and when I have to split. In phils lying isnt so unusual as u might think as big parts of this country are build on lies(me beeing here makes it not better nor worse). I promise only short encounter as in a meet but here phils are special as every girl arriving inside my room wants to fuck(it all starts with a kiss and when the kiss is done i have in 99.99% of the time fucked them). I don't know why and its not all planned out. After around 70 visits to the third world(phils)in 4 years I know the lay of the land. I know which buttons to push and not to push. I am effective in my dating but don't you come here tell me I hate girls. You can brighten up your own act and try read instead of asking so terrible stupid questions. You can find it all here if you bother to read.
WTF? Hate women, You can brighten up your own act and try read instead of asking so terrible stupid questions. You can find it all here if you bother to read.Unfortunately. Or more accurately fortunately. I have a life that precludes me from fucking a new stranger every hour on the hour and then spending whatever time is left reading thousands of pages of threads on fucking. You truly live a "blessed" life. Congrats.
There is an inherent seediness to mongering no matter how you do it (if anyone thinks there isn't, you're fooling yourself). To me you ratchet it up to whole new levels. You may be a great guy. You just seem whacked to me.
There is an inherent seediness to mongering no matter how you do itYes, of course there is. And isn't it just wonderful! Don't make the mistake thinking the girls don't realize the impermanence of the situation.
Member #4387
09-27-15, 04:42
As in my previous post schedueling girls every hour = not an good idea = checked. After this I kept incomming girls on a two hour rotation system leaving some space for inroom evidenceremovals and recoupe time in between them sessions. Its not like I am going to relationship the girls and as stated in a previous post I don't mislead any of them into thinking so either. It is extremely important to me that the girls come see me out from their free will and I humbly try avoid P4 P girls. Everyone of us having sat foot on phil soil knows the lines can be blurred at times. I respect fully people having a different viewpoint on mongering and I can agree I've might taken it to some extreme levels. It is addictive no question about it and that's why I share my experience here as many others do too. This part of my life I can not tell to GF back home as it would be nasty. This is my stealth mode life and back in the real world i operate almost normaly:-)
Yesterday went smooth and girls arrived on time for the greater part. The overnighting girl i thought was almost ditching me but 30 min after her ETA she found herself to send me a text telling she would be late. Bummer As it is the last arriving girl for the night it actually doesn't matter that much beeing late except it's irritating. This was surprising bcs she is a cabincrewgirl.
I have a big portifolie of girls around the world. This comes from many hours "work" in various online segments, meet ups in social events, through friends, loads of travelling(230 to 270 travelling days a year)etc etc. Yesterday this paid off greatly. My yesterdays 4 pm girl was a stunner. This spoiled brat showed up with her 7 tatoos and even if I don't like tatoos very much they sometimes give away that seedy impression needed to fulfill the seedy mongering dream. She was one of my best fucks ever. Maintenance people where working in the hallway and they were up to a great show screamingwice. Yes, it was embarresing bcs the same guys were out in the hallway when she left.
Anyway after her departure I was stralling down inside Glorietta. In several occations now I have seen girls inside the mall I did fuck earlier. I have to start covering up using a balaclava or something. Walking towards MarkandSpensers I felt someone tapped my shoulder. I turned and saw this beautiful girl I've had some trips ago. I had a small hour to spear and she obviously was interested in a quicky. She is interested in aviation and do study to become an aircraft mechanics. I brought her up to my room, quickly did we pass the same guys in the hallway outside my room (they making big eyes, laughable) and we did the banging.
Ofcourse this was fun and everything but it starts to become a major problem guys when I can not even walk outside the hotel premises without the risk to be recognized by someone. Previous to the mechanics meeting I saw this european guy who I know to be in relationship with a girl I bang occationaly. So many strange things happening and I think I have to soon move my walking business elsewere. I guess this is the price I have to pay for having my girls mostly located, either inside Makati, or in close vicinity to Makati. So far there have been a few hundreds of them. I also bumped into a friend of my babies mother but that's another story not for the mongersite which I presume ISG still is (the mother knows I am in phils by the way).
As I write this Sunday morning is "shining". Qatargirl just left after some seedy biz on the livingrooms table during the night(other places as well ofcourse). I now await the "miss preggy" situation. A girl from some month ago which I told "I think you are pregnant". She was offended as she thought I found her fatty. Preggy girls have the obvious tummybulp but this beeing the phils and everything I've had to promote to her that a check up with her doc would be appropiate or go buy a testkit somewhere. A few hours later I got the text "ohhh I am preggy".
She find herself fine in the situation. Her father is, according to her, mad as she might have small issues finding out who is the dad. Since she is a rather young girl I did tell her I take her to Singa or HKG so she could have an abortion. She landed that she would like to have the baby no matter what. Fair enough and I look forward to do a preggy again.
I do also need to adress I was having, as I write, a "girl" comming over this early Sunday morning. She admitted on her way she was not a girl so I cancelled on him / her. That was a close call but luckely she send me some new pics of her / himself and then I just popped out a sms: "wtf, are you male?" Upon he / she responded "yes, I thought you might like it".
Its a war out there but I try to make it as fun as possible.
Sunday sched should be a breeze: 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm and 9 pm (overnighter). Did have the bakla schedueled for 10 am but cancelled.
MrWoolyBooly
09-27-15, 05:32
As in my previous post schedueling girls every hour = not an good idea = checked. After this I kept incomming girls on a every two hour rotation system leaving some space for inroom evidenceremovals and recoupe time in between them sessions.
Sunday sched should be a breeze: 1 pm, 3 pm, 5 pm and 9 pm (overnighter). Did have the bakla schedueled for 10 am but cancelled.I can only achieve that frequency for one day after no sex for weeks. You must find those long flights rejuvenating.
Funny that you have to be careful being seen at the mall and extra-careful when dates overlap in the lobby. Even though we don't get into relationships with these girls, it's nice to protect their "mukha" ("face" or dignity). I once got two rooms on different floors of a Makati hotel for maximum efficiency. This arrangement was distracting: mixing up keys, going down elevator before going back up, etc. Later tried two rooms in separate neighboring hotels. It worked much better: housekeeping does a cleaning service for evidence removals (nice to tip 'them) in one while meeting the other. Or sometimes girl 125 relaxes in hotel A while you're meeting girl 126 in hotel be. It's so easy in the Makati Ave-Burgos area with lots of hotels to meet any taste or budget, but you seem to have settled quite comfortably where you are. The Berjaya is not as good as yours but comfortable with the most reliable and least slow internet I've found in Makati.
We all know what the girls expect when they go to your room, but what is the "official" purpose? Let's have breakfast / lunch / dinner? Let's have some drinks? Or is it just left unsaid?
Dear Hoza,
I really enjoyed your FR. I found it very informative and entertaining. I would not categorize it as one of a thousand threads on fucking, but I'm sure my grandma would. See, that's thing: "different strokes for different folks (literally). " I have read back over 100 pages of both the Makati and Manila boards to answer all the questions that you asked, despite having a full work schedule. Everyone was very polite with you because you provided a nice FR. Had you not, I guarantee you would have been shot down with the standard "RTFF" and labeled "Manager Class". If you don't have the time to find the answers to your questions that have already been answered, is that our problem?
Skogis is a unique guy. I've learned a lot from his posts but don't understand or relate to him at all, but that doesn't mean he's "whacked. " We all admire what he accomplishes and the way he does it even though it might be what "blows our hair back". His FR's clearly demonstrate that he treats these poor girls very well. Hats off to Skogis for all his FR's and treating the girls well.
We are all here because we are addicted to the high of banging pinays, but we all have our own way of doing it. No one is right and no one is wrong (within the bounds of decency, integrity and the law). Just because someone drives faster than you doesn't make them a maniac, and just because they drive slower doesn't make them an idiot (thanks George Carlin, RIP).
Vive la difference!
Cheers,
Aimless
Member #4387
09-27-15, 06:21
I can only achieve that frequency for one day after no sex for weeks. You must find those long flights rejuvenating.
Funny that you have to be careful being seen at the mall and extra-careful when dates overlap in the lobby. Even though we don't get into relationships with these girls, it's nice to protect their "mukha" ("face" or dignity). I once got two rooms on different floors of a Makati hotel for maximum efficiency. This arrangement was distracting: mixing up keys, going down elevator before going back up, etc. Later tried two rooms in separate neighboring hotels. It worked much better: housekeeping does a cleaning service for evidence removals (nice to tip 'them) in one while meeting the other. Or sometimes girl 125 relaxes in hotel A while you're meeting girl 126 in hotel be. It's so easy in the Makati Ave-Burgos area with lots of hotels to meet any taste or budget, but you seem to have settled quite comfortably where you are. The Berjaya is not as good as yours but comfortable with the most reliable and least slow internet I've found in Makati.
We all know what the girls expect when they go to your room, but what is the "official" purpose? Let's have breakfast / lunch / dinner? Let's have some drinks? Or is it just left unsaid?Haha this is good writings. I have allways a humoristic twist into my mongering otherwice I would die, hehe. Some gents seems to take life to seriously but my belief system works like this: "max out your life, soon you are dead anyway".
I've tried the alternation between hotels like as in an Ascott stay and a room at New World Manila Bay, Malate. Also once tried the combination from Hyatt City of Dreams and Ascott. To me that involved to much travelling so I might try out the Ascott / Fairmont / Intercon / Dusit combo as they are located a swift easy walk from eacother. When I stay at Ascott I change rooms every now and then. Sometimes due to evidenceremovals does not work proparly, at one stage to many girls know my room so a change is nice "if they arrive atthe doorstep, it has happened". Last but not least its fun and it makes a great twist into mongering. Often heard when girls arrive my spare room: so you did not bring anything? Normal answer is: the carrier lost my bags.
Nice to know others beeing as crazy as I am. Good crazy I might add.
To your last question all subjectively I invite girls around the clock for a meet up, mostly I say like: we meet my hotel and we have a few inhouse drinks. Obviously its work out quite well. Except from the Qatar Airways girl last night beeing late they are overall all on time. I am actually starting to be impressed as in reading here and other foras I hear latecommers are more the rule than the exception (its oposite to me).
Miss preggy (19) arrived according to scheduel at noon today. If I say we dropped down panties, I fingerfucked her and we fucked, it took like 15 min (and cum. Even with only 2 hrs rotations it leaves me enough "me time" to recoupe and to, like now, write here its all a game and I guess until my norwegian GF finds out I will continue this pathway as I am addicted (not only to phil pukie but pukies globaly I might add).
This is a long rambling post, and much of it is likely a rehash if you RTFF so, as CSP says: IAYL! (Ignore At Your Leisure.) The brief follow up to my "Pretty Little Liar" post is that it's not working out, so I'm heading back to Phils to find a fresh one. I always like context to FR's so that I can better determine how "my mileage may vary," so to put everything in context for you guys: I'm mid 50's, but am able to pass for forties (so I've been lied to.) No doubt the "you're guapo" comments that I garner are due to the girls looking at my wallet. I'm 5'6", not in great shape, but I do exercise and surf quite a bit. I just love to eat, even if I'm basically a no-junk sushi eating vegan (illogical, I know). This drives where I eat when in the Phils too which is a whole 'not her FR waiting to happen. I felt too guilty cheating on the wife so I dumped her. Losing more than half my assets in a prolonged 5 year divorce was worth every penny, allowing me to come out clean on the other side, ready to go bang as many adorable, affectionate pinays as I want with a clean conscience, only to get roped into a 4 year relationship with an adorable 23 year old pinay. Anyway, I was "born again" from the divorce and highly recommend it! Marriage vs cyanide? Hmm, I think I chose cyanide. The thing is, that unlike Skogis whose goal seems to be to bang every human female in the galaxy at least once (and well on his way to completion I might add), my expectations are at the other end of the spectrum. I'm a cosmetic healthcare professional so I get up close and personal with women and all their faults. This has raised my expectations into the stratosphere! I like them young, smart, educated and gorgeous with excellent teeth, and dazzling smiles. Yeah, I know, you're all thinking I'm wacked. Anyway, to complicate matters, I really like that "connection", and after spending 4 mentally boring but sexually fun years with a gorgeous young pinay airhead (that I met on FC) the bar has been raised even further. You now probably realize that my prey is extremely rare and elusive for an old guy like me. Now to make you really roll your eyes and laugh, the thought of going to Burgos and picking up a girl that is wiping your jiz off her face is really a turn off to me. I want real girls (hoping that they're not wiping Skogis jiz off their face when I meet them.).
At my short stature, growing up in Cali, I never had the looks or game to pick up anyone in a bar. Long ago, I found my niche putting single's ads in the newspaper and, with a little gift of gab, started scoring big time! This morphed into the online dating scene, but as everyone joined in, and I got older, my niche evaporated. Then, about 10 years ago I think, I found this board. FC was highly recommended, so I joined. Jackpot! I have to say that I have had great experiences with DIA too, but I focus on FC, especially as I get older and less attractive for reasons that have been previously outlined. With all my experience, I've learned a lot, and its changed over the years. I'd like to share my unique perspective with anyone interested, especially those of you that tend to seek non-BG and non-FL girls of quality, not quantity. As previously stated much of this is rehash out of sheer agreement, but I'm leaving it in for the sake of completion in one post:
1) Competition. I like FC for reasons listed in other threads: DIA is free, so your post and emails could be diluted by thousands of arm chair warriors with big plans to go to the Phils, but who never will. I actually made friends with a Kiwi that was after the same girl I was 5 years ago in Cebu. We still chat on FB to this day. I actually met the girl we "fought" over and gave him a FR when I met her. My mate and I laughed as the girl ended up being crazy shy with messed up decayed teeth. My Kiwi buddy never had, and never will have, the means to come to the Phils. I love my Kiwi mate, but you don't want to compete with guys like this. FC filters them out since it's a pay site and the arm chair warriors won't usually join.
2) Photo Quantity: FC allows you to load multiple photos. DIA only one. Rule #1 about finding a pristine girl is: photos are very deceiving, but the more the better! It's the only rule you need to remember. I have personally met / interviewed over 300 girls in the Phils I met on FC and DIA. I arrange to meet them for coffee which allows me to bail graciously in a few minutes if they are not to my liking. Of course I buy them a drink and give them cab fare regardless. Sometimes if I really feel sorry for them I'll buy them Jolibee and then bail. Look carefully at all their photos. Make sure you can tolerate the WORST one, not the best, and remember, they are often fake photos not of the person you are going to meet.
3) Watch out for photo-shopped photos. They are obvious. If you see one, you're dealing with a liar. Best to avoid her.
4) Watch out for plain photos that look slightly masculine and really pretty girls with lots of make-up. You could be dealing with ladyboy. Ladyboys have all been honest with me when I asked. I'm always polite. When in doubt, simply ask: "are you a real female or a ladyboy?" If they say LB, I just say: "Sori po, I'm straight. Good luck in your search". That always handles it.
5) I never get "interest" or "favorite" listing on DIA anymore as I age, but I get hundreds in FC, and they are real. These are often the best ones to chat with if you are looking for a real connection because you have somehow captured their imagination already. Go with it! Send them an email and chat them up. Also be prepared for beggars. The beggars always reach out to the masses with interest and favorite listings.
6) Pro photos of girls: watch out for professional photography of the girls. It can be a good thing because they are hot, or it could be bad because the photo makes them look a lot better than they are. Thing is that if it's a real photo, you'll probably be able to see if she is a fatty as the pro photos often have body shots. If the photo just looks too good to be true and very professional, it may very well be a fake. There is a free app on the internet called Tin Eye that will scan the internet for photos like it. I have found girls posting photos of Asian movie stars as their own. Report them. Also watch out for photos of girls that are obviously Caucasian. These will be fakes too. When in doubt, get them on cam (with mic.).
7) Pro photos of you: if you really want to score and up your choices of girls, spend $100 and get some professional photos of you dressed nice and in sporting equipment (surf board, weights, running, etc). And I don't mean having your "buddy-whose-good-with-a-camera" take the photo. Go get your hair cut, buy some nice clothes, and hire a professional photographer. I did, and my hit rate on really hot girls improved dramatically. Don't photoshop your photos. Its not worth the fallout when you meet the girl and she doesn't recognize you.
8) Arms and Sweaters: Look carefully if the girl is not showing her arms or she is wearing a sweater. Its hot in the Phils. Sweaters are not normal. Girls typically show fat in their arms and gut and cover it with a sweater. If you don't like fatties or chubbies, then watch out for this.
9) Teeth: I could write a book on this as its getting really close to my profession and really affects girl quality. Facial beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but almost universally, facial symmetry increases perception of beauty. The problem is that with all the sugared candy and low "dental IQ" in the Phils, these girls often lose their lower (and upper) first and second molars in childhood due to decay. This causes an ugly splaying of the front teeth over time, and increased wear. We westerners perceive this negatively to say the least! By the time these girls are 30, they are outright hideous! If the teeth are lost asymmetrically, it gets even worse as the shape of the face is adversely affected and becomes asymmetrical which is pretty ugly. Compounding this is the presence of a high rate of unaddressed dental decay which, when not fixed, looks really bad (like homeless people in the western world). It will also cause horrendously bad breath. I met an adorable girl in Cebu 5 years ago that was so DTF it wasn't funny. I wanted to bang her so bad, but her teeth were really crooked to the point that she couldn't clean them so her mouth smelled so bad that I had to back away from her when we met. The thought of kissing her made me gag so I bailed quickly. We still chat on FB, so I've followed her over the years as she married an American, moved to the USA and got her teeth fixed. I check in with her about twice per year, waiting to see if she gets a divorce so I can bang her! Anyway, look very carefully at girl's photos for those that don't smile and SHOW THEIR TEETH! (The above girl did not). Also watch for smiles that only show their "good side" of their face and hiding bad or missing teeth on the other side. These girls are taking thousands of photos of themselves and CAREFULLY picking the few that make them look best. Girls NEVER post random pictures of themselves. Ever! If they do not show their teeth in their smile, then 98% of the time their teeth are fucked up. If you see a girl with braces, chances are she has some money and had the means to get her teeth fixed. At least partially. Watch for girls that make "funny faces" with pouting lips and puffing out their checks with their lips pursed together. They are not doing this for fun. This is an excuse to hide their messed up teeth and distorted faces. The vast majority of girls on FC and DIA do this!
10) Watch out for no body shot or hiding behind others in group photos. These girls are probably fatties.
11) Height. I spent the last four years with a girl that is 84 lbs and 4'10". I'm over it. I like them between 5 and 5'4". Ask girls how tall they are, then say "really? They will often lie. I was told by my 19 year old GF that I met on FC 8 years ago that so many short (4'10") girls are on FC because the taller ones get snapped up by local boys as the local boys don't like really short or really brown girls. Choose what you like. Incidentally, if you really want to make a skinny little pinay feel like a million bucks, just say "oh hunny, you're so fat and white". She'll love you forever. Seriously!
12) Be polite! I don't like girls that will talk about sex from the start. These are the ones that are ready to bang other guys, which I don't want, and they often ask for money. I like the polite ones that I can ease into talking a little racy. They tend to stick around longer which I like too, like a real GFE. (On the hand I'm sure cash will keep them forever!) Never talk about marriage unless you can follow through! Marriage is sacred to them. Lying to them that you will marry them is the worst form of cruelty to a pinay.
13) Make them laugh! Where l live, our population has more Filipinos than Caucasians so I have plenty of opportunity to practice my saying that "I can make any Filipino laugh". How do I do it? Surprise them by speaking a few words in Tagalog. They LOVE it! I'll hear a few guys speaking Tagalog, and as I walk by, and they look at me, I'll say "Kamusta ka. " Because I'm Caucasian they invariably bust out laughing and say: "Oh, Tagalog!" It's a great way to make instant friends. I do the same thing with the FC girls. They ALL say; "You're so cute when you speak Tagalog". If you really want to dazzle them, learn a few words in their local dialect too. Visayan is my favorite (I love Visayan girls!) You will get serious props from girls that are Visayan, living in Manila, if you can drop some Visayan words. (My favorite is "Amping" = Take care. Also learn daghang salamat = thank you and walay sapayan = you're welcome). There is nothing like being polite and making them laugh at the same time. They'll be DTF in no time! For Tagalog, whenever you agree, just say "o'o naman" = yes. For a more extensive list, just check the Google Tagalog translator. I've even had full-on conversations with these girls by plugging in words and phrases into the translator!! They'll fall at your feet.
14) Profile: When you write your profile, put some thought into it. It may help. I find that it is very rare for girls to read my profile, but the ones that do are very intelligent and very interested, or very old. If you like women over 40, write a really nice profile. Most girls will just reply to your introductory email or send you interest based on the fact that you have money. White skin and good looks helps too. As an aside, at 5'6", I've had numerous pinays call me "tall". I laugh. Anyway, if you're over 5'4" that will help too.
15) Search: When you're all set up and ready to go, run the search function in FC. I limit my searches to women without kids, no smoking and under about 27 in the Makati area. In my experience in Cebu and Davao, when they get over about 25, they start getting very worn out looking unless they are wealthy. If you can find a Call Center Agent, you'll probably be OK. When you run your search, choose carefully and start sending emails to the girls you like. Don't be shy, I send hundreds of intro emails and hear back from maybe 30%. Don't sweat the rejections, they are meaningless. And never focus on one girl unless you really want to get set up for disappointment. I once found the gorgeous girl of my dreams in Davao who was very "hard to get". When I finally lined up a meeting, she admitted that the photos were of her sister. She sent me her real photos and she was a hag. I wasted many hours pursuing this girl. There is safety in numbers. Don't get your heart set on anyone until you meet or can clearly skype. Don't chase after a girl that is hard to get. DO chase after girls that seem into you and chatty.
16) Cam chat: Many of the experienced guys here will tell you that the cam is your key, but IMHO YMMV. The problem is that some girls really can't cam due to bandwidth limitations. I have met some real cuties that couldn't cam and met some hags that looked cute on cam. Be VERY suspicious if a girl has cam and no mic! Its usually not who you think you're talking to.
17) FB: get their Facebook add as soon as possible. As others have said, watch out for hidden friend lists or accounts with 50 guys your age as their entire friends list. This is a decoy FB. The photos will be the best possible and could be fake and the girls have many guys lined up to take their attention away from you. If you're going to meet her next week then you could be ok. If its months off, you won't be able to keep her attention if she has many guy friends. Look for family and friends on a real FB. Then carefully inspect each and every photo of the girl you can find and follow the above photo criteria: arms / sweaters / hiding / smile etc. If you want to dazzle your girl, pick the cutest photo, click the "like" button and write "maganda!" in the comment. She'll love you forever. You can chat on the FB Messenger app which is not bad on your phone and pc. The risk and benefit is that FB messenger shows when a message has been seen. You can see if your girl is ignoring you, but she can see if you are ignoring her. Maybe others here can help with this.
18) Skype: This is a favorite of many girls. Try to get the girl's Skype ID. Hidden in their Skype profile, they often have their phone number so you can text or call directly when you get to the Phils. If you haven't used Skype before, expect the random add "hey, 24/ F female here! I found you in the directory. Want to chat?" It's a robot. Just block it. An advantage of Skype is that you can modify your girl's name so you know which profile she is in FC.
19) Viber: A lot of the girls use Viber, which I like a lot because you capture their phone number for later direct texting or voice call if needed, or simply using Viber on arrival. I install Viber on my laptop and my phone so that I can chat everywhere. A disadvantage is that I cannot find a way to modify the girl's name on my laptop version of her profile to match her FC profile, so I often am not sure who I'm talking to. Also, messages are "seen" like FB.
20) Yahoo Messenger. Years ago, "YM" was the mainstay of chat for FC girls. I now find that this is never the preferred method of communication and almost never use it. The one recent time I did, it was a girl trying to sell me cam time.
21) Viber voice: I pay a fair amount of cash to connect to the girls using Viber voice. It bypasses the free Viber chat which often doesn't have the bandwidth for good voice communication. I can call the girls on their cell phones from my laptop. I'm sure some of the pros here have a better / cheaper way of doing this. I like it because I can sit in the comfort of my office while I get work done, and chat with these girls via voice to see if they are as smart as I hope they are. They are usually not, but sometimes I'm delightfully surprised. Call Center Agents are usually gems, obviously. If you just care about a hot / wet box, then no need to voice chat.
22) Help! As other's have said, there is no end to girls with sick nephews and under medicated grandmas. If anyone asks for help (money), I tell them that "I have thousands of family and friends that need help, so you will have to wait in line, but that when I come there, if we become special friends, I will definitely help. " Most of the time, they apologize for asking and stop. If they keep asking, delete them from your chat apps and report them to FC to have their profile deleted. These professional beggars pollute FC and need to be dealt with accordingly.
23) When? If you're retired and have nothing else to do, go ahead and start up an FC profile. You'll spend your entire day online searching and chatting to no end. Its addictive! I've been doing this for so long, and have been so pleasantly surprised (and often disappointed) by the girls I actually met, that I'm over it. The months and months of searching and chatting really has no purpose, as the girls will come and go, and you may fall in love with a real dog. Its VERY awkward to meet a "hottie" on FC, chat her every day for months, then meet her face-to-face to find out she is a dog and then abandon her. It's not really fair to her either and you'll be disappointed. In my mind, 2 weeks before your trip, start sending intro emails and racking up the FB / Viber / Skype adds. That is plenty of time to get them excited and flirty without having the girl think she owns you. I. e. Her after 2 months of chatting with you: "how many chatmate you going to meet here? Hmmphf!
24) Turn up the volume! I like to get them really cranked up before I go, so I ask them what they want for "pasalubong" (gift) "dark chocolate or milk chocolate". They always love this conversation. Do it less than a week before arrival to get them really interested to meet you.
25) Location! Location! Location! The three most important words in real estate and chasing Pinays. There over 7000 islands in the Phils, so the location of your girl is critical! The girls will list their location on FC, which you need to filter for. You can cast a wide net (10-20 miles) when in the provinces. One of my girls in Davao used to ride a bus 20 miles one way to see me every day. It was no big deal for her. In metro manila where its faster to walk, keep your search radius to within a few miles of where you will be and always offer to pay for taxi when arranging a meet 'and greet. Don't go to them. Always have them come to you. Always ask them where they are in the second email or first Skype / FB/ viber conversation. You will often find out that they are no longer near your intended location, and often out of the country (I. E. Middle East). Check Google maps to see where they are in relation to your destination. Also, if you have time, don't be afraid to click on any really hot looking girls on the scrolling picture bar on the side and bottom of FC. I've often found the inverse of the above rule to be true: a girl that says she lives in Cebu may actually now be living in Manila right where I'm going to be. Bingo! Don't bother chatting with a girl that is not near your destination. It's a total waste of time. They will all tell you that they are willing to fly to you, which is totally unnecessary considering the massive number of girls available wherever you're going, and the risk of importing a dog and getting stuck with her is not worth the hassle nor the expense. I also put my intended location of Makati and say "please email if you live there," all in my profile. I have had really cute girls with profile location listed in the provinces send me an "interest". Any cute girls sending me an interest from a province always gets an email from me that says: "Hi, I'm coming to Makati in January. Will you be there?" 10% of the time, they are there already. BINGO again!
Hope this helps someone!
Cheers!
Aimless
WOW. How much do you hate women? Pretty impressive.
If you're trying to fool these girls into thinking this is more than just sex, why do you schedule them so close together? And why so many? How many fake girl friends does one guy need? Sounds like an unnecessary headache to me.
I'm guessing if their "relationship" with you only exists in 60 minute intervals. Spent fucking no less. They probably are on to you. Just a hunch.Your envy and resentment is strong and deep.
There are lazy newbs who ask the same questions because they can't be bothered to read; they're a bit annoying but rarely offensive and usually they become good commentators. Then there are the judgmental newbs who, having nothing of benefit to offer the community, still wildly and offensively opine to garner attention for themselves. What business do they have here? I suspect they are either Andrea Dworkin-esque anti-sex feminists or emasculated males who have been cowed into obedience. XOJane and Jezebel are websites more to your liking, ma'am.
Your screenname name says it all[QUOTE=Aimless;1779575 This is a long rambling post.
MrWoolyBooly
09-27-15, 16:07
This is a long rambling post, and much of it is likely a rehash if you RTFF Rehash or not, your summary is the perfect instruction manual for our demographic and circumstances. Great job, Mr Aimless.
MrWoolyBooly
09-27-15, 16:13
[QUOTE=DCups;1779700]Your screenname name says it all[QUOTE=Aimless;1779575 Thisisalongramblingpost. [ / QUOTE].
Compared to the typical post, it rambles. For a newbie, it's the perfect checklist for going the online dating site route. Even the more experienced among us can refer to checklists as our memories become less reliable with age.
Member #4387
09-27-15, 19:14
Your mentioning my name as in I have something special going around in this fora. To your uncritical writings (some good info and a lot of bula bula) regarding me I have to say I try stay humble inside here. I get a lot of attention these days. Maybe God knows why (I don't believe in him at all). This will be like cursing in church but I never wanted to write this but lets say I am extremely rich guy (yeah I know people will tell "when you tell" you are oposite). I have sold my gold biz (real estate) and can live from interets the rest of my life, even living the on the rock star segment. Not possible for me, in a monger world, to spend to much.
Some of you have allready guessed I am in the aviation biz and yes I was. I finished as the youngest captain ever in Scandinavian Airline System. I follow the industry quite close as a hobby by now. I am 42. I am successful and have norways best looking girl as my GF (she is half norwegian / half pinay).
Sorry to be a tad personal but enough is enough. Do we want contributions inside this "family" or not? And no, I would never been visitng phils anymore if it not was for my hidden daughter being borned by the phil lawyer girl. I also bought one penthouse apt for my baby girl in park terracess (close Glorietta, Fairmont etc). Good investment or not I don't give a shit. Atleast my relativelyyoung daughter can sell it for more than 1 piso and then make a profit. I paid many many many millions pisos (all in phil mother name).
On the other hand before my baby daughter grow pubic hair she will be in Norway bcs no child of mine will grow up in a dysfunctional third world country (or shithole as some call it and I give thumbs up). Even so she will still have quite a condo in Makati even if its worth zero moneys. If I loose all my "investments" I don't care. I guess my phil daughter still will be fine (I"ll see to that).
So now many of you know my standings. I am a fucker, I am in a way humble but don't accept shit. I fuck loads of girls but indeed I compensate them greatly (in a way I call it guilt moneys). Tonight(as in 6pm meet)i had this 18yo girl comming over and she arrived as a virgin(this ive found out after her arrival). I could not get inside her. She is cheating her BF big time and almost all the time whil I am away from her. Strangly we have a great rel. Maybe I am whacked or whatever but I feel sane. Just saying in public bcs enough is enough in pm's.
I don't want to stand out but I write how I do my mongering. Mongering is not known by the intl law system (if there is such) so it is all improvised by trying and failing big time. happy pooning guys.
And your many points what so ever in your writing seem pointless. I encourage u to provide info as is and not what u think it is?
Party guys, i have a stunner in bed who told me "just wake me up when u(me)ready, you fuck me ok?"
He's not trying to fool them into thinking there is more. Direct quote from his post:
She is so gullible and does not know that I am only using her for sex purposes. Fine by me.
Hoza
Your screenname name says it all That's unfair DC; given your predilection for one-liners that rarely offer any information at all.
I found his opinion quite informative and I am sure there are newbies who might also enjoy it.
He also qualified it as "long and rambling and possibly a rehash". . . It's very easy for bored readers like DC to just stop there and go on to another post instead of unhelpful criticism of someone trying to be helpful.
WestCoast1
09-28-15, 04:09
Direct quote from his post:
She is so gullible and does not know that I am only using her for sex purposes. Fine by me.
HozaSo noted sir!
Member #4387
09-28-15, 09:21
I sometimes brag about how girls arrive on time. Well today that's changed. Schedueled 1 pm girl text me like 20 min ahead of arrivaltime she might be late. Since she is a fine stunner I forgave her and said "ok". Meaning I had to resched my 3 pm and 5 pm appointments. The 7 pm girl I will notify later if needed. But maybe I will manage to catch up some time. 9 pm and 11 pm girls I view as no trouble as when this time comes I will be, once again, fucking on my ontime rooster.
1 pm girl was by the way excusing herself loads of time and I am not a nazi so when I feel I have something good cookin then who am I to ditch these girls, beeing an hour or two late. For a prospect in the segment from 6-8 I'd ditched her as a breeze. For 8 and above, well, I give them more slack (world beeing unfair and all). To be fair I don't realy have the trouble / problem girls beeing late as a whole.
1 pm girl arriving with her office. Beeing a IT student she obviously had to bring some equipment back home for studying tonight. I fucked for a good 7 minutes and then bye bye. I arranged to her a hotelcar so she would be assited bringing laptops, station desktop, harddrives, books etc back home. It was scary but in the minutes before fucking she hacked into my fake fb to show me how easily done that was. I ask her to try hack my online banking system but she could not. Thanks God.
3 pm girl is sched at 4:30 pm and 5 pm is sched for 6 pm. This is how I make up time wasted waiting.
Member #4387
09-28-15, 14:35
Yes it does. Despite me having a rather busy scheduel today the IT girl and the session with her was so swift so it left me a little "me time. I fired up the Badoo and all its superpowers. Shipped out a few msgs to some nearby girls and a couple of them responded and were willing to meet me my hotel.
15 min later a chubby girl arrived my hotel (it was rather hard to tell if she was chubby or slim from her facepic but the face was realy pretty). An OFW worker in Abu Dhabi beeing in Makati to rearrange some visa issues (according to herself). Doing a chubby does not make me loose my motivation as new pukie is new pukie and my experience with chubbies (not to many but still) are that they are tight twatwice. This girl was no exception. I find it kind of cool how easy it is for phil girls to just show up at a mans doorstep, undress and fuck. Well, we exchanged a few polite words on her arrival into my apt but not to many. I looked at her envelope containing the visa papers, did not understand to much from that so I bagged them up again kind of in a fast way.
All in all a girl coming in from the sideline and its nice to know Badoo works fine also in phils. I gave her 2 k which she happely accepted and then she went home to her husband (again this is what she told me).
This is a long rambling post, and much of it is likely a rehash if you RTFF Indeed, a long rambling post, but a very interesting read. I am sure many mongers would love to read your post.
Thanks for taking the time to write it. Good job!
Indeed, a long rambling post, but a very interesting read. I am sure many mongers would love to read your post.
Thanks for taking the time to write it. Good job!Aimless. Thank you for the post. Hard to call 25 numbered, well-written paragraphs rambling. I enjoyed reading it and thank you for the post. Also I always appreciate a bit of background on the writer as it puts your views and viewpoint in some context.
Thanks again.
GoodEnough
09-29-15, 12:13
That's unfair DC; given your predilection for one-liners that rarely offer any information at all.
I found his opinion quite informative and I am sure there are newbies who might also enjoy it.
He also qualified it as "long and rambling and possibly a rehash". . . It's very easy for bored readers like DC to just stop there and go on to another post instead of unhelpful criticism of someone trying to be helpful.I agree with RK. The post was well written, which is refreshing, coherent and informative; particularly for those with little experience here.
GE.
I agree with RK. The post was well written, which is refreshing, coherent and informative; particularly for those with little experience here.
GE.Sheesh, mea culpa, Aimless. I guess I need to laid or something.
CallSign Papa
10-02-15, 12:52
Call me a soppy old romantic, but I sometimes have a tendency to let my "regular" girls take up the lion's share of my time when I'm not busy with work stuff in Manila. So for this trip I decided to try and hunt for new blood. Used OK Cupid and Tinder. Set up an OKC account about two weeks before I arrived and had no problem getting a few fiesty young fillies to agree to come over and hang out in my Makati condo. Of course, it's important to build in a lot of redundancy in arranging meetings, so I made sure I was double booked for each session. As always i had my trusty spreadsheet to help organise things and keep my brain straight on who i was seeing and when.
From what I can tell, on OKC there are three types of girl:
1) You can fuck me but pretend you want to date me. - This is easily 70% of all the pinays I've encountered. I've found the key is to not start off too direct. Once they think you're a regular guy, then you can steer the conversation in a naughty direction (and this doesn't necessarily take longer than 10 messages, but can). In these instances you're doing the dance of "yeah sure, we can date, but let's see if we're compatible first". I had two of these girls come over on my three days trip. One came from Laguna which I gather is a long way away, and whilst she was shy when she arrived, turned out to be an all-star 3 holer. Of course I met them both in a coffee place close to my condo first (and is the tried and trusted way of ensuring quality control). In both cases i offered to pay for transport.
2) Let's get naked! - These are pretty rare, and difficult to judge by their profile photos and descriptions, but generally within 2-3 messages they're already talking about coming over to get banged. Some want compensation / travel costs, some don't. Met an accountant from the Fort, 27, great body and quite cute who messaged me non-stop about how you she was going to do this and that to me from the minute she entered my place, and was pretty true to her word. And because this did indeed seem like a lucky trip, she even let me introduce her to the delights of backdoor fun.
3) The wallet vampires. We all know the type (generally have model photos), and are interested in a husband or at the least a guy who can take them shopping on a weekly basis. They're the girls who are experts at draining a guy's wallet without the slightest intention of touching his tool. Seen it a hundred times whilst walking the malls of manila, and have so far, more through luck than judgement avoided being ensnared.
The key to Tinder is to get on to it the moment you land (I have no idea how to fake my location on an iphone) and start swiping, because it only really "warms up" after 2-3 days which given the short nature of my trip meant it simply added girls onto my "to do" list.
CallSign Papa
10-02-15, 16:56
Basically if you're looking for action in malls you've got two options, shop assistants or shoppers (assuming some shoppers are actively looking for a guy).
Here's my research:
Century City Mall. This is attached to Gramercy 71 in Poblacion (just off Makati Ave), it's relatively small, 3 floors with a few coffee shops, a Rustans and a food court in the basement. Having hung out there a fair bit I'm pretty sure it's not the place to look for girls. I did once see a semi-hot girl in the apple store there, but otherwise even the shop assistants aren't a worthwhile option.
A-Venue Mall. Close to CCM, on Makati Avenue in Poblacion, and once home to Hooters (now the Treehouse). Very small mall and really not worth the effort to visit unless it's for one of the two bars you can find there. Treehouse is really a poor man's Hooters. They retained a few of the waitresses, but from what I can tell none of the good ones, the food is pretty awful even by bar food standards. There's a supermarket next to Treehouse where you can find streetwalkers and massage girls when it gets dark.
Power Plant Mall. My favourite mall in Makati (although more technically in Rockwell). Much bigger than the first two malls and therefore usually much busier. Had a few good encounters with both shoppers and shop girls here. The basement is one long strip of food joints, and is a good place to set up camp and watch the pretty young things walk by. Draft is a great place to get good beer and excellent food. Plus nearby both Ramblas and Woodfire are great restaurants if you are lucky enough to scoop someone up.
Glorietta. For me this mall is just too spread out, there are a few places to sit and eat, and it's usually always busy (for me too busy). But on the plus side, the makeup stores usually have some pretty foxy girls, and whilst I haven't seen any openly P4 P girls, there's definitely potential.
Greenbelt. The biggest, and most famous of the Makati Malls. It really does have everything. Some great stores, some superb restaurants (Chops is a fantastic steakhouse). Obviously the focal point for those looking for pussy is Greenbelt 3. There's a small semi-circular open air area containing Cafe Havana, Starbucks, and a Coffee Bean. Anyone of them is great for hanging out in, and though the quality may vary depending on the time of day, this really is the easiest place to meet a piece of ass. Greenbelt is also a pretty easy place to get lost for an afternoon.
MrWoolyBooly
10-03-15, 16:51
Basically if you're looking for action in malls you've got two options, shop assistants or shoppers (assuming some shoppers are actively looking for a guy).
Here's my research:
Thanks for the research, Mr Papa. Excellent summary of Makati malls within short jeepney / taxi ride or extended walking distance from Burgos / Poblacion. I agree with you on Rockwell. It's civilized and unpretentious at first world but not stupidly high prices. I think it caters mostly to the working expats and upscale Pinoy condo dwellers nearby. It's been my favorite mall in the Philippines for years, although not for sport. In past years I never saw any girls noticeably looking for play, although being in the Philippines no mall is a bad mall to chat up a shop girl and exchange numbers. In the last year or so I started seeing for the first time a few girls that looked game. Maybe my imagination. Did you notice any? It's the perfect mall to take any girl for food / drinks / movie and still get easily to Burgos if she doesn't work out.
Although not walking distance at all from Burgos, Waltermart Makati (corner of Chino Roces and Arnaiz / Pasay Rd) is conveniently across the street from Eurotel. The workers and shoppers there are all lower income than around Burgos, and foreigners much less common. Starting at the top and working your way down chatting up the shop girls can't fail to get at least a few numbers or later texts if you hand yours out. Not most, statistically, but a few more in the database to keep one's schedule fully booked.
CallSign Papa
10-03-15, 17:54
In the last year or so I started seeing for the first time a few girls that looked game. Maybe my imagination. Did you notice any? Thanks MWB, no, I wouldn't say I've noticed any P4 P potential specifically in Power Plant Mall (or any mall but Greenbelt), but I've had success twice in that mall with shop assistants.
Sheesh, mea culpa, Aimless. I guess I need to laid or something.No worries DCups. We're good.
Austin0071
10-07-15, 05:10
Travelling to Makati next week and looking for recommendations for a decent massage with happy ending.
Walking distance from the Shangri-la would be preferable, but I can get a taxi.
Any information is appreciated!
Travelling to Makati next week and looking for recommendations for a decent massage with happy ending.
Walking distance from the Shangri-la would be preferable, but I can get a taxi.
Any information is appreciated!Try using Uber. Much safer and cheaper.
Cheaper than walking? The poster suggested he wanted to walk. Your reply seems irrelevant to the post you replied to.
Try using Uber. Much safer and cheaper.
Austin0071
10-09-15, 11:45
Transport wasn't really my primary concern, a good massage and tug is what I was after.
Transport wasn't really my primary concern, a good massage and tug is what I was after.Not too far from the Shangrila hotel is Leviste street, its a one way street, look for the manor building, as you go into the building, before the entrance door of the building, on the left side is a massage place. You will get what you want, ask for the menu at the entrance. Let us know how it goes.
MrWoolyBooly
10-10-15, 20:16
Thanks MWB, no, I wouldn't say I've noticed any P4 P potential specifically in Power Plant Mall (or any mall but Greenbelt), but I've had success twice in that mall with shop assistants.May I ask whether you chat them up when they're bored without customers? Slip them your number with a note "Text me, we need to chat"? Please share any techniques you've tried and how well they worked or didn't. Gratitude and regards.
May I ask whether you chat them up when they're bored without customers? Slip them your number with a note "Text me, we need to chat"? Please share any techniques you've tried and how well they worked or didn't. Gratitude and regards.Why don't you read the book: the game? You have to be a good pua in your respective country in order to get this to work.
MrWoolyBooly
10-11-15, 14:20
Why don't you read the book: the game? You have to be a good pua in your respective country in order to get this to work.I've read the book, but find many approaches simply disrespectful in treating others not as I'd want to be treated. Even the author has said that the book is essentially a placebo for insecure guys (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/oct/10/neil-strauss-the-game-book-truth) . I'm more analyzing various ways of communicating with non-pro Pinays in ways that make them comfortable. I've found when they're comfortable and communication is ongoing success is only a matter of time. The whole "mukha" ("face" or reputation) thing is very different compared to my country.
I've read the book, but find many approaches simply disrespectful in treating others not as I'd want to be treated. Even the author has said that the book is essentially a placebo for insecure guys (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/oct/10/neil-strauss-the-game-book-truth) . I'm more analyzing various ways of communicating with non-pro Pinays in ways that make them comfortable. I've found when they're comfortable and communication is ongoing success is only a matter of time. The whole "mukha" ("face" or reputation) thing is very different compared to my country.If you read the book, you would know slipping notes don't work. Why would the results be any different between pinays and non pinays?
MrWoolyBooly
10-12-15, 02:36
If you read the book, you would know slipping notes don't work. Why would the results be any different between pinays and non pinays?Notes and business cards have worked very well for me with the more downscale mall worker bees: Harrison (Malate), Waltermart (Makati), Waltermart (Dasma), and Starmall (Manda). St Francis (mid-income?) in Ortigas worked pretty well, but I only tried it in the "second hand" (don't ask where they come from) phone bazaar. All Muslim girls there as far as I could tell. I'm just curious whether it works in more upscale malls like Rockwell / Power Plant. I'm grateful for any experience you can share.
I haven't tried that in my country, but sounds like I should to test your no difference theory. I do have about a 30% meet up later rate from exchanging info with attractive girls in airport lounges or on the plane, but it's hard to tell how much influence the preceding blah-blah-blah conversation had on their behavior.
The whole "mukha" ("face" or reputation) thing is very different compared to my country."Mukha" literally means "face" as in that thing on the front of your head with 2 eyes, a nose etc.
The use of "mukha" is not appropriate when you mean "face" as in reputation. Better to use either "reputasyon" or 'kapurihan' or even 'karangalan'.
The term that is allied to this is "hiya" which usually means "shame" or "embarrassment". We English-speakers can distinguish between shame and embarrassment but pinays cannot.
Girls will often say that they are ashamed when they mean embarrassed.
Splitting hairs I know but sometimes it helps to know how there are nuances in the language that can lead to misunderstandings.
I love your phonetic "poe-joom" for Podium Mall in your post on Gen Info. I live in Ortigas and I laughed when I read your post because, like you, I have taken to saying it just like that too (poe-joom) to avoid having to repeat it.
WestCoast1
10-12-15, 07:47
I love your phonetic "poe-joom" for Podium Mall in your post on Gen Info. I live in Ortigas and I laughed when I read your post because, like you, I have taken to saying it just like that too (poe-joom) to avoid having to repeat it.In Cebu City, I think there is a Jones street (runs directly into the Fuente circle) that the locals refer to as "Junes", "Joons", or "Joontz" (might also be known as Osmena Blvd, I think there is a McDonalds there near the Crowne Regency). In Malate the locals sometimes phonetically call G-Point bar: "Jeep-Win" or "Jee-pwin". And how many times have pinay said "Vee-Jokey" or "Vee-jee-okee" to mean videoke? The various pinoy dialects appear to be a phonetically pronounced (and misspelled) hodgepodge of a variety of words from different languages.
Austin0071
10-13-15, 04:11
Not too far from the Shangrila hotel is Leviste street, its a one way street, look for the manor building, as you go into the building, before the entrance door of the building, on the left side is a massage place. You will get what you want, ask for the menu at the entrance. Let us know how it goes.Thanks for the tip. Found this place and got exactly what I was after. Much appreciated.
CallSign Papa
10-13-15, 14:38
Please share any techniques you've tried and how well they worked or didn't. Gratitude and regards.I'll PM you.
Wicked Roger
10-13-15, 19:24
In Cebu City, I think there is a Jones street (runs directly into the Fuente circle) that the locals refer to as "Junes", "Joons", or "Joontz" (might also be known as Osmena Blvd, I think there is a McDonalds there near the Crowne Regency). In Malate the locals sometimes phonetically call G-Point bar: "Jeep-Win" or "Jee-pwin". And how many times have pinay said "Vee-Jokey" or "Vee-jee-okee" to mean videoke? The various pinoy dialects appear to be a phonetically pronounced (and misspelled) hodgepodge of a variety of words from different languages.Continuing the theme, the St Giles hotel (pronounced the English way) is refer to as "St Jillys", St Gilles" (as in fish gills), "St Guilies".
I actually use those and not the correct pronunciation many times when I get a very puzzled look.
Most ISG members do not care about how you line up the words that say, "thank you". Give the field report please.
Thanks for the tip. Found this place and got exactly what I was after. Much appreciated.
Wicked Roger
10-14-15, 18:35
Thanks for the tip. Found this place and got exactly what I was after. Much appreciated.And? That is it? No FR about location, massage, happy ending or not, prices, ambiance, the lady (assume it was) - no?
So 3 FRs and as XMan says "give the report please".
FreebieFan
10-15-15, 01:41
Continuing the theme, the St Giles hotel (pronounced the English way) is refer to as "St Jillys", St Gilles" (as in fish gills), "St Guilies".
I actually use those and not the correct pronunciation many times when I get a very puzzled look.Once upon a time someone there mangled Bon Voyage to become Von Voyage and so, when ever someone is leaving, its now Von Voyage.
Several times I have said Bon Voyage and been "corrected ". LOL.
And? That is it? No FR about location, massage, happy ending or not, prices, ambiance, the lady (assume it was) - no?
So 3 FRs and as XMan says "give the report please".That's why I jumped on the guy with his post #1. Not only a kuripot bastard but selfish too.
Notes and business cards have worked very well for me with the more downscale mall worker bees: Harrison (Malate), Waltermart (Makati), Waltermart (Dasma), and Starmall (Manda). St Francis (mid-income?) in Ortigas worked pretty well, but I only tried it in the "second hand" (don't ask where they come from) phone bazaar. All Muslim girls there as far as I could tell. I'm just curious whether it works in more upscale malls like Rockwell / Power Plant. I'm grateful for any experience you can share.
I haven't tried that in my country, but sounds like I should to test your no difference theory. I do have about a 30% meet up later rate from exchanging info with attractive girls in airport lounges or on the plane, but it's hard to tell how much influence the preceding blah-blah-blah conversation had on their behavior.I read the book, and have zero success as a PUA in the USA. In the Phils, where all of us old guys are Brad Pitt to the Pinays, it works great everywhere. I always bring some cheap business cards with an American flag logo on my trips to the Phils. I write my cell # on the card. I go to the malls and chat the shop girls about their wares. If I sense "IOI"s (Indications Of Interest), like awkward smiles and looking away while flipping hair, then I give them a wry smile, and tell them "You seem really nice. I'd like to hear more about you. Here's my cell number. " I put my card on the table / counter / whatever in front of them and walk off. I don't try to hand my card to them directly because one girl once told me she was not allowed to accept anything from my hands (not sure if its true). It also avoids an awkward stare-down while I stand there trying to give my card to her if she won't take it. I'm not confident and can't handle rejection, so laying down my lines and dropping my card avoids any feelings of rejection as I just turn and walk off without waiting for any response. I haven't run the numbers but I have a decent success rate doing this.
MrWoolyBooly
10-16-15, 01:17
In the Phils, where all of us old guys are Brad Pitt to the Pinays, it works great everywhere. I always bring some cheap business cards with an American flag logo on my trips to the Phils. I write my cell # on the card. Great idea with the flag on the cards! The longer they look at it undecided the more their sugar daddy (or assumed-to-be-rich husband) dreams kick in.
I haven't run the numbers but I have a decent success rate doing this.If I remember to bring the cards and keep track, I'll give out 100 and tally up how many text me later by mall for some statistical analysis haha.
GoodEnough
10-16-15, 07:23
In the Phils, where all of us old guys are Brad Pitt to the Pinays, it works great everywhere. I always bring some cheap business cards with an American flag logo on my trips to the Phils. I write my cell # on the card. I go to the malls and chat the shop girls about their wares. .I have a close Canadian friend, who spends about a month every three months here, and the "Brad Pitt" guys are among his greatest sources of amusement. His standard response to those old guys who delude themselves into thinking: "Dude, this girl really likes me," is to ask, quite seriously the question: "Dude, do you have a mirror in your room? If so, I suggest you look into it. " These ladies usually don't know the difference between the UK, Australia, Canada or the US, couldn't find any of them on a map, and what's more, don't care.
GE.
I'm tossed up between royal Bellagio or Oxford suites, any body with info on both, pros and cons, I want to be in middle of action street, I'll be their for New Years, any info on pool I can hang out in daytime? I also just had old AT&T cell phone unlocked, am I good to go now when get their just put chip in and all set? I'm never ever again going to book trip this far in advance I'm going nuts everyday can't wait to get their! LOL,
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