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I'm tossed up between royal Bellagio or Oxford suites, any body with info on both, pros and cons, I want to be in middle of action street, I'll be their for New Years, any info on pool I can hang out in daytime? I also just had old AT&T cell phone unlocked, am I good to go now when get their just put chip in and all set? I'm never ever again going to book trip this far in advance I'm going nuts everyday can't wait to get their! LOL,Hi, both of them are in Burgos Street. Bellagio has a coffee where a lot of ladies hangs out. However, if money will not be object, I would stay on Makati Ave. Like St Giles or Grand City Central.
Pretty stoked my trip is finally here. I'll be staying at the Shangri la Makati and was wondering a couple things:
1) Do the clubs on Burgos or at the Edsa Complex have rooms available and if so, are they clean and safe? Do you have to rent the room? A little leery about bringing girls back to the hotel. At least right away.
2) I heard the massage scene isn't great but I was wondering if anyone knew of any places where I could get a good massage with buy ups available at the end. Not looking for straight sex once I'm on the table. Would like a massage. And then a little play time on the back end. Preferably with nice looking girls. Does such a place exist?
Thanks,
Hoza
I recommend you look into AIR BnB as there are several studio apartments for rent in one of the tallest apartment buildings in all of Manila and Makati listed in this site. On the top floor of this building is a night club that overlooks the city and provides a fine view of the New Years Eve fireworks display that Manila is famous for. About midway up the building is a very nice indoor / outdoor pool. I can't remember the name of the building at the moment but on the ground floor is a two story mall called Century City that is directly accessed from the building.
I'm tossed up between royal Bellagio or Oxford suites, any body with info on both, pros and cons, I want to be in middle of action street, I'll be their for New Years, any info on pool I can hang out in daytime? I also just had old AT&T cell phone unlocked, am I good to go now when get their just put chip in and all set? I'm never ever again going to book trip this far in advance I'm going nuts everyday can't wait to get their! LOL,
I'm tossed up between royal Bellagio or Oxford suites, any body with info on both, pros and cons, I want to be in middle of action street, I'll be their for New Years, any info on pool I can hang out in daytime? I also just had old AT&T cell phone unlocked, am I good to go now when get their just put chip in and all set? I'm never ever again going to book trip this far in advance I'm going nuts everyday can't wait to get their! LOL,I prefer Bellagio. Oxford Suites is a dump.
I recommend you look into AIR BnB as there are several studio apartments for rent in one of the tallest apartment buildings in all of Manila and Makati listed in this site. On the top floor of this building is a night club that overlooks the city and provides a fine view of the New Years Eve fireworks display that Manila is famous for. About midway up the building is a very nice indoor / outdoor pool. I can't remember the name of the building at the moment but on the ground floor is a two story mall called Century City that is directly accessed from the building.It's the Gramercy Residences.
I'm tossed up between royal Bellagio or Oxford suites, any body with info on both, pros and cons, I want to be in middle of action street, I'll be their for New Years, I know I posted about Oxford Suites a while back, after my stay there. Location is great, but the rooms spelled musty and looked old and beaten. Though the lobby was A / see, I don't believe there was A / see in the hallways or elevator, and it was hot!! Cheap rooms, so if that is what you are looking for, then fine. But not comfortable.
The last time I was in Manila, I stayed at the Marriott near the airport. I ordered a cab and asked the driver to take me to a massage parlor. The place he took me two was a two story place in Makati which seemed a little old and run down. However the girls were very open and sexy. They gave me one hell of a sexual experience.
I am going to Manila in December and would like to repeat this experience. Does anyone have any idea what the name of this place might have been? I sure as hell don't remember.
Thanks for any help.
LexLuther.
Blanquiceleste
10-31-15, 02:26
I'm tossed up between royal Bellagio or Oxford suites, any body with info on both, pros and cons, I want to be in middle of action street, I'll be their for New Years, any info on pool I can hang out in daytime? I also just had old AT&T cell phone unlocked, am I good to go now when get their just put chip in and all set? I'm never ever again going to book trip this far in advance I'm going nuts everyday can't wait to get their! LOL,Have you looked at Century Park on Ocampo? Nice big hotel, spacious rooms, well appointed, girl friendly. Should be around $90 a night.
Wicked Roger
10-31-15, 04:43
Pretty stoked my trip is finally here. I'll be staying at the Shangri la Makati and was wondering a couple things:
1) Do the clubs on Burgos or at the Edsa Complex have rooms available and if so, are they clean and safe? Do you have to rent the room? A little leery about bringing girls back to the hotel. At least right away.
2) I heard the massage scene isn't great but I was wondering if anyone knew of any places where I could get a good massage with buy ups available at the end. Not looking for straight sex once I'm on the table. Would like a massage. And then a little play time on the back end. Preferably with nice looking girls. Does such a place exist?
Thanks,
HozaYes they do- a quick 15 second RTFF would help you also (use the search button).
Lots massage places plus FLs on Burgos etc.
All this and more is found using the advanced search function. Same as your FR / questions on Viagra elsewhere.
Lots here, lots to do but given that you are 'leery' about bring girls to the Shangri La I suggest you don't come as if you are 'leery' about taking a girl to 5 star hotel you definitely won't like the private rooms or massage places IMHO. Can be scary for some people and dangerous.
Wicked Roger
10-31-15, 04:48
I know I posted about Oxford Suites a while back, after my stay there. Location is great, but the rooms spelled musty and looked old and beaten. Though the lobby was A / see, I don't believe there was A / see in the hallways or elevator, and it was hot!! Cheap rooms, so if that is what you are looking for, then fine. But not comfortable.I agree Mr H.
The Oxford was my first place to stay on my virgin trip, I stayed there again a while back (nostalgia plus a really cheap rate for the night) and it was terrible, damp in the rooms made the sheets smell etc.
Now it has a Best Western tag it has got pricier but I don't hear of any change to the theécor from people I meet who stayed there recently. Now I give it a miss always even if the price is attractive.
For location is fine but easy to walk there from the Red Planet (Tune), St Giles, Clipper, Citadel, Makati Palace ad plenty more- some of these are OK others not so IMHO.
Wicked Roger
10-31-15, 05:07
Quick as I only went to 3 bars I Burgos and was with others. I generally avoid the bars as too much smoke noise despite the abundance of cuties as I have plenty of contacts regardless.
Rogues.
Best of the ones I visited, lots of customers and cuties, some nice ones and we had a few sit with us and drink a few lady drinks. Barfine was told is 1600 PHO of which half goes to the lady. The one with me wanted 3-4000 on top (this is where Burgos lets itself down) but I got her number as I do usually if she is what am looking for and she will visit privately so then all is much less.
Had not been here for a long time and was happy there, the guys I was with only go there.
Bottoms.
Less punter more girls, quality not as good as Rogues generally IMHO Their 'outfits' more revealing with basically a belt covering he susus.
No idea of the barfine as did not stay long enough and the quality was not impressive for me (the Rogues girl way better).
Wow Wow Wow.
Opposite Fridays / High Heels etc. Went her a friend said he remembered it was good. Clearly he had a Alzheimer's LOL as was not! In and out so fast I barely had time to say Hello,. No punters not any attractive ladies IMHO.
High Heels.
Last stop to Hi to Mama Tess who I have known a long time, chat a few drinks, busy with customers, some dancing also (always badly IMHO). Girl quality varies but a few cuties can be found. Always noisy and lively when am there (maybe I am lucky as I know others say it is not great).
So the numbers of customers are down for sure based on the last 10 years, prices are higher, or of a barfine is low the tips expected are higher. So YMMV you decide of it is worth it (or get her number and see her before / after work or on her off day if she has one).
Member #4698
10-31-15, 06:03
Last Saturday Night Burgos Street was cordoned off and it became a Halloween Street Party. There were hundreds of revelers in the street. I was glad I had decided to visit my favorite Manila girl who works at Bottoms that night. We had a Tequila blast. It was the best Halloween I had in a long time.
So guys I finally visited Primero I think 2 weeks ago. I just didn't have time to post it as I have been traveling.
All in all Primero style is basically like a Japanese kabakura where you get taken into a room full of spacious couches with tables, and you just sit there and drink / eat while girls rotate every 15 minutes. However the weird thing is that they don't allow a girl to sit with you for extended periods of time; they are foced to rotate every 15-20 minutes and you can't buy their time to make them sit with you. Basically if you like a specific girl you can tell her to come back, but she needs to rotate out for at least 1 rotation. That's the only drawback (aside from the cost.).
Really it's more like a speed dating thing with alcohol and food, and the action you get depends on how good you are talking to girls and how much they end up liking you. They do offer their cards with their numbers on it as most of them seem to be interested in meeting up afterwards.
The important thing here is that you should be polite and courteous to them (don't just go feeling them up like your in a P. Burgos bar) and they will most likely give you their number for you to contact them outside of work. Out side of work meetups really depends on you, whether you want to go out with them to clubs or more.
The price is actually pretty decent; you pay 2000 PHP as entrance fee for 90 minutes and that comes with all you can drink booze. Each additional hour will cost you 1000. Food is also additional charge (so only the booze is free while you are there. Note that they have limited selection of alcohol.) Girly drinks are also separate and go for about the same price as bars (300-500 PHP.) The night I went there I treated a friend visiting from another country and we stayed for 5 hours and I bought a bunch of girly drinks. Total damage for the night was 30 k PHP. (Be warned that I was a bit buzzed when the bill came, so after I sobered up the next day I did some calculations and they seemed to either overcharge me 3-4 k OR the more likely scenario I bought more girly drinks than I thought.).
Hope this helps. Though you won't get any immediate sexual gratification, I do think it's fun for a change of pace (you don't need to pay that much obviously, the minimum is 2 k for a good time) and I will be going back there sometime soon.
Also I know this is the Makati forums, but I wanted to give a review of Kremin Spa in QC. The reason being that I cannot for the life of me find ANY incall spa's in Makati like Kremlin or Starfleet. They are mostly located in QC, the good ones at least. The only one I've found that seems to be similar is Palacio Don Pedro, but I don't know if that is still open, and I can't find any good detailed reports on it. SO this is for those who enjoy a good "massage".
I've been to Kremlin a few times and I've tried both their normal massage and their twin massage. I must say that the vibe I get from Kremlin is similar to the mid range to lower high end massage parlors in Thailand. Of course it's a fishbowl type place. The place is located right across the recently opened Fisher Mall in QC so it's hard to miss, right beside Classmates (now that place is a ripoff.) There are parking spaces available if you have a car. When you get there you'll notice that there are several floors, and each floor's rooms are a different price. I believe the most basic is Gulag Class, while the most expensive is Bolshevic or something. Sorry I can't remember and I haven't tried the cheapest floor, I usually go to the most expensive one.
The most expensive floor's rooms cost 1. 5 K (I think 2 k after 7 PM or something) and it's not bad. Anyways you get to the floor, you enter the lounge area and you can either take a look at the fishbowl area to see if you find a girl you like, or you can go ahead and go to the counter and buy a room. Once you get a room you are then asked to pick a girl or give the number of the girl you picked (they are wearing plates with letters and numbers on their chest.) The attendants are comparable to those girls working in P. Burgos girly bars, so they are pretty decent. Anyways once you pick a girl you will be escorted to your room where you will wait for the girl. You can wait for the girl to shower with you etc, but basically they know what's going on so you can either get a massage (usually not good) or just go straight for the sex part. They usually start with BJ and nipple / body licking and go from there. Standard stuff. Anyways it's usually 1 pop and then you are done. Twin massage nets you 2 girls at once whom you each get 1 pop with.
Overall damage is 1. 5 k (2 k if it's late) for the room, and the tip for the attendant for her services are 2 k (that's 4 k total if you decide to get 2 attendants at once.) Anyways hope that helps anyone looking for something different other than girly bars. If anyone knows about a place like this in Makati I'd love to hear it, or experiences with escorts from manilaescorts, or backpage manila, etc.
Wicked Roger
11-01-15, 09:23
Not a mongering story but every day this week on Burgos I see a westerner sitting on the street opposite the Mini Stop with a cardboard placard. Reads as lost job, lost family, has cancer etc. He was there Halloween night also.
Just curious as while we see plenty begging there I have never seen this before.
Natty. Our paths must have crossed as I was in Cheers on Halloween but I did not see the 'crazy lady' that evening maybe she would scare all the ghouls LOL.
Blanquiceleste
11-02-15, 01:24
I know I posted about Oxford Suites a while back, after my stay there. Location is great, but the rooms spelled musty and looked old and beaten. Though the lobby was A / see, I don't believe there was A / see in the hallways or elevator, and it was hot!! Cheap rooms, so if that is what you are looking for, then fine. But not comfortable.Thanks for this. I was thinking about Oxford Suites for an upcoming trip in December and the place looked nice in pics. Thankfully common sense and instinct prevailed and I booked Century Park, the usual.
Thanks for this. I was thinking about Oxford Suites for an upcoming trip in December and the place looked nice in pics. Thankfully common sense and instinct prevailed and I booked Century Park, the usual.While there, take a look at the Oxford Suites. Maybe things have improved. The heat and smell were unbearable to me, but the local girls did not mind at all. Maybe they have re-carpeted. Check it out, if you can, and let us know. Aloha.
The last time I was in Manila, I stayed at the Marriott near the airport. I ordered a cab and asked the driver to take me to a massage parlor. The place he took me two was a two story place in Makati which seemed a little old and run down. However the girls were very open and sexy. They gave me one hell of a sexual experience.
I am going to Manila in December and would like to repeat this experience. Does anyone have any idea what the name of this place might have been? I sure as hell don't remember.
Thanks for any help.
LexLuther.Lex,
Your kinda vague as that can be 25 different places LOL.
PC out.
Dasisextra
11-02-15, 10:46
Heading to Makati area of Manila for first ever trip to the Philippines on November 12th for 4 nights. Have had a read of many pages of the forum, but would love some must see tips & also wondering if anyone will be around, great to have a wingman on a maiden visit.
Thanks
Lex,
Your kinda vague as that can be 25 different places LOL.
PC out.Yes, I know and for that I apologize. As I stated, this place was run down. It was pretty much a house of prostitution. It was on a main thorofare in Makati where there were numeruous other similar places. You went in, chose one or two girls, and went upstairs where a very nice massage and fuck session began. I would love to find again.
Sorry, that's all I can provide.
LexLuther.
Member #4387
11-03-15, 05:09
Met this girl a few days ago stopping by on her way from work. She is the one in the blue shirt and with special nails (PG thread). We were fucking like rabbits for a while and when I finished the following occured: I saw she sat there doing her make up and we were chit chatting. Suddenly she burst into tears and, believe me, I know my "crocodiles" when I see them but this was more genuine tears than those. She was like falling down from the chair and flatted out on the floor while watering the hotels carpet with tears. I asked her what the fuck happened just now and she told me her boyfriend early this morning had threaten to break up with her and she loved him so much and did not know what to do. I told her in all honesty that maybe cheating with me was not the right medicine but she never did answer that one properly, hehe. She told me she was angry bcs she thought maybe her BF had another girl and she found out looking at his phone.
Well I guess you fine gents get the point now so no more is needed to elaborate on this one. I don't get them girls. And yes the BF was a pinoy.
WestCoast1
11-03-15, 06:07
I don't get them girls.Neither do the rest of us.
. . . while watering the hotels carpet with tears. Haha, brilliant imagery. I know sometimes Skogis takes a little heat for his English but I love this description - no, I don't love that she was crying. Is this a Norwegian expression translated into English?
Member #4387
11-03-15, 10:03
Haha, brilliant imagery. I know sometimes Skogis takes a little heat for his English but I love this description - no, I don't love that she was crying. Is this a Norwegian expression translated into English?Hehe, no, its self invented (correct or not).
CallSign Papa
11-03-15, 18:45
I don't get them girls. And yes the BF was a pinoy.Trying to understand the many weird and wonderful intricacies of the pinay mindset is like trying to dig a tunnel to China armed only with a plastic spoon and a compass.
You won't get there in one lifetime.
FreebieFan
11-04-15, 01:56
Heading to Makati area of Manila for first ever trip to the Philippines on November 12th for 4 nights. Have had a read of many pages of the forum, but would love some must see tips & also wondering if anyone will be around, great to have a wingman on a maiden visit.
ThanksTotally irrelevant reply to your question but I still remember my first trip to Manila almost 30 years back. Flew in from Middle East, as a young hansdsome fella and I got more handsome as the days went by (early renditions of the Brad Pitt feling, whereby every guy becomes Brad Pitt as soon as they deplane). Hope you have a fabulous time. If you remember nothing except that there is no logic to anything that happens in Philippines, you will be fine.
Chocha Monger
11-04-15, 02:38
Met this girl a few days ago stopping by on her way from work. She is the one in the blue shirt and with special nails (PG thread). We were fucking like rabbits for a while and when I finished the following occured: I saw she sat there doing her make up and we were chit chatting. Suddenly she burst into tears and, believe me, I know my "crocodiles" when I see them but this was more genuine tears than those. She was like falling down from the chair and flatted out on the floor while watering the hotels carpet with tears. I asked her what the fuck happened just now and she told me her boyfriend early this morning had threaten to break up with her and she loved him so much and did not know what to do. I told her in all honesty that maybe cheating with me was not the right medicine but she never did answer that one properly, hehe. She told me she was angry bcs she thought maybe her BF had another girl and she found out looking at his phone.
Well I guess you fine gents get the point now so no more is needed to elaborate on this one. I don't get them girls. And yes the BF was a pinoy.See a likely explanation for her behavior below. Many pinays suffer from bipolar disorder or narcissistic personality disorder and their ability to empathize in interpersonal relationships is impaired or nonexistent. Some mental health researchers blame it on OFW absentee parenting, poverty, cell phone culture, etc. The best policy is not to get deeply involved with them or ask what ails them. Chances are you wouldn't know what to make of their answer.
HOW SEVERE IS THE PROBLEM OF MENTAL HEALTH IN THE COUNTRY TODAY?
House Bill 6679 states that according to WHO study, one out of five adults and one out of ten children of ages 5 to 15 years old have diagnosable psychiatric disorders.
At the GMA News' online hub, there is was an article entitled "1 in 5 adult Pinoys have psychiatric disorders. " It further says that more people are developing mental disorders due to "extreme life experiences. " Dr Lourdes Ladrido-Ignacio, a former president of the Philippine Psychiatric Association, said between 17 to 20 percent of the country's adult population have psychiatric disorders.
About 10 to 15 percent of children aged 5 to 15 are believed to have mental problems.
Ladrido-Ignacio also noted that in remote barrios without doctors, 50 percent of adults who consult at rural health centers were diagnosed to have some form of psychological illness.
The National Statistics Office's 2000 disability ranked mental illness as the third most common form of morbidity, or type of disease, after visual and hearing impairments among Filipinos.
The same survey showed that 88 Filipinos out of every 100,000 population with mental problems.
In 2004, a DOH-commissioned Social Weather Stations survey found that 0. 7 percent of total Filipino households have a family member who has a psychological disorder such as depression, schizophrenia, epilepsy, and substance abuse.
The World Health Organization defines mental health as a state of well-being that allows a person to realize his or her own abilities to cope with the normal stresses of life.
The Department of Health, meanwhile, said "extreme life experiences" such as natural disasters, armed conflict, and the increasing number of family members going abroad to work have contributed to more Filipinos developing mental disorders.
"We've tried to identify the components that could influence the mental status of a person and we found that life experiences such as disasters and armed conflict (affect one's state of mind)," said Dr. Yolanda Oliveros, director of the National Center for Disease Prevention and Control.
Oliveros said addressing mental illness as a public health concern remains as a challenge since there are only 400 licensed psychiatrists practicing in the country.
"That's why we are telling them to decentralize, to train general practitioners and healthcare providers since these people are (in the frontline) of primary care," she said.
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/52861/lifestyle/1-in-5-adult-pinoys-have-psychiatric-disorders
Yes they do- a quick 15 second RTFF would help you also (use the search button).
Lots massage places plus FLs on Burgos etc.
All this and more is found using the advanced search function. Same as your FR / questions on Viagra elsewhere.
Lots here, lots to do but given that you are 'leery' about bring girls to the Shangri La I suggest you don't come as if you are 'leery' about taking a girl to 5 star hotel you definitely won't like the private rooms or massage places IMHO. Can be scary for some people and dangerous.Thanks for the RTFF tip. Haven't heard that one before. Funny how some people assume because they have all the time in the world to sit on a forum. Everyone else must too. Here's the thing. And it's been explained previously. Since you spend so much time RTFF and knew about my viagra question 25 forums away, I'm surprised you haven't committed my previous explanation to memory. The search engine is not very efficient. I don't have time to wade through an 11,000 post thread, hunting and pecking for the few morsels of detail I'm looking for. Perhaps when I'm retired, as I'm guessing you must be, I'll read this forum cover to cover as well. But that's years off.
I get a kick out of the forum lifers who actually think the desired approach to having an interesting forum is to discourage people from posting. I'm sure that's what the owner of this forum strives for. A forum where nobody posts. Perhaps you'd be more entertained by opening up a blank word document and spending your days and nights staring at that. As for me. I enjoy the questions. Asking and answering. After all. I thought we were here to help each other out?
FYI. I'm leery of bringing girls back to the Shangri La because I'm not traveling alone during the first half of my stay. I'm here on business but I extended my trip alone. So discretion is mandatory at first.
And now. For no other reason than to ruin your day. Here is a question for anyone less offended by such things. Since I have a limited amount of "free" time. And I have specific standards. Pretty, nubile, drug / disease free. Is it better to go to Burgos or Edsa. Or is it pretty much the same? I'd like to see if there's a consensus on this one. Or just luck of the draw.
And a tidbit of info on the Shangri La Makati. Extras are available on the in room massage. I'm two for two thus far with one home run and a ground rule double. It took a little coaxing for the home run. Had to work my way through several firm "No's". But I sensed her resolve weakening with each successive ask. It took about a dozen asks before we struck deal. Great looking young girl with a professional demeanor and very cute personality. Wasn't cheap. Paid US prices. But for the step up in quality, security and convenience. Well worth it. At least a couple times on this trip. As of 5:00 pm tonight, I'll be free to pursue cheaper options elsewhere. BTW a ground rule double is head.
Thanks for reading.
Hoza
Thanks for the RTFF tip. Haven't heard that one before. Funny how some people assume because they have all the time in the world to sit on a forum. Everyone else must too. Here's the thing. And it's been explained previously. Since you spend so much time RTFF and knew about my viagra question 25 forums away, I'm surprised you haven't committed my previous explanation to memory. The search engine is not very efficient. I don't have time to wade through an 11,000 post thread, hunting and pecking for the few morsels of detail I'm looking for. Perhaps when I'm retired, as I'm guessing you must be, I'll read this forum cover to cover as well. But that's years off.
I get a kick out of the forum lifers who actually think the desired approach to having an interesting forum is to discourage people from posting. I'm sure that's what the owner of this forum strives for. A forum where nobody posts. Perhaps you'd be more entertained by opening up a blank word document and spending your days and nights staring at that. As for me. I enjoy the questions. Asking and answering. After all. I thought we were here to help each other out?
FYI. I'm leery of bringing girls back to the Shangri La because I'm not traveling alone during the first half of my stay. I'm here on business but I extended my trip alone. So discretion is mandatory at first.
And now. For no other reason than to ruin your day. Here is a question for anyone less offended by such things. Since I have a limited amount of "free" time. And I have specific standards. Pretty, nubile, drug / disease free. Is it better to go to Burgos or Edsa. Or is it pretty much the same? I'd like to see if there's a consensus on this one. Or just luck of the draw.
And a tidbit of info on the Shangri La Makati. Extras are available on the in room massage. I'm two for two thus far with one home run and a ground rule double. It took a little coaxing for the home run. Had to work my way through several firm "No's". But I sensed her resolve weakening with each successive ask. It took about a dozen asks before we struck deal. Great looking young girl with a professional demeanor and very cute personality. Wasn't cheap. Paid US prices. But for the step up in quality, security and convenience. Well worth it. At least a couple times on this trip. As of 5:00 pm tonight, I'll be free to pursue cheaper options elsewhere. BTW a ground rule double is head.
Thanks for reading.
HozaHoza.
Don't come asking for help and diss WR just not cool pal. As for your smart ass comment about forum lifers, it's a choice to help others with our own experiences however for a person like you who doesn't seem to have much respect for some of the guys here I suggest you go F Off dude. Totally pompous and arrogance and gives us Amercans here a bad name as you think way too highly of yourself.
PC out.
Wolvenvacht
11-09-15, 08:37
And now. For no other reason than to ruin your day. Here is a question for anyone less offended by such things. Since I have a limited amount of "free" time. And I have specific standards. Pretty, nubile, drug / disease free. Is it better to go to Burgos or Edsa. Or is it pretty much the same? I'd like to see if there's a consensus on this one. Or just luck of the draw.I have never been to the Philippines and yet I can answer your question "Is it better to go to Burgos or Edsa". The answer is a resoundig "YES"!
How's that for service?
CallSign Papa
11-09-15, 08:50
Thanks for the RTFF tip. Firstly let's get one thing straight, this is a message board. So apart from admins we're just contributing and as far as I'm concerned a newbie's opinion is a valid as someone like WR, it if comes from personal experience.
However, when you have 16 posts and they're all "can anyone.... ", "does anyone know.... ", and have really contributed zero to this site in terms of insight, then you've only got yourself to blame if other members feel you're abusing the good nature and generosity generally offered to those (new and old alike) who come here looking for information.
I very much doubt you've led such a sheltered life that to this point that you've not had a single successful monger experience, so where's the report? Have you thought about how you can help fellow members who may be looking for the same thing you've already experienced?
Of course you haven't. You've posted question after question, and when someone has rightfully taken issue with your lazy approach (and it is exceptionally lazy), you've thrown your toys out of the pram and shown a gobsmacking lack of self awareness.
Anyway, best of luck.
Wicked Roger
11-09-15, 10:39
However, when you have 16 posts and they're all "can anyone.... ", "does anyone know.... ", and have really contributed zero to this site in terms of insight, then you've only got yourself to blame if other members feel you're abusing the good nature and generosity generally offered to those (new and old alike) who come here looking for information.
I very much doubt you've led such a sheltered life that to this point that you've not had a single successful monger experience, so where's the report? Have you thought about how you can help fellow members who may be looking for the same thing you've already experienced?
Of course you haven't. You've posted question after question, and when someone has rightfully taken issue with your lazy approach (and it is exceptionally lazy), you've thrown your toys out of the pram and shown a gobsmacking lack of self awareness..CSP. Good observation as I made the same. In the UAE he is called a 'manager' and seniors regularly RTFF or say worse as that forum is becoming polluted with managers. The PI thread is one of the best but Hoza is trying to bring it down to the UAE or worse India.
Note he mentioned 2 for 2 and paid US prices. WTF? But YMMV for sure but as you noted not one FR about it, names, which massage service but for sure the girl saw him coming ad decided was an easy pay day.
Many o don't spend time on the board as he says, in fact a RTFF using the advance search would yield an answer in abut 15 seconds. Is how you use it but Hoza is lazy aka manager and does not want to hence he pays US prices for a massage in Makati when anyone who RTFF would know that is way over the odds.
I also find it amusing how guys go on the offensive when told to RTFF as some do and when they do they generally reap rewards but Hoza thinks he is above that and pays US prices in Makati for a street massage girl LOL. That's made my day.
You seem to have a lot of time (452 words) to elaborate.
I'm not going to defend WR. I think he's been over the top lately. Nevertheless, your response seems to justify his antagonistic reply.
Thanks for the baseball analogies. I almost thought I was back in jr hs.
I've always preferred EDSA. It's something like a gated community. Once you pass security, you are in a naughty mall. Since you're willing to pay top dollar, stick to Burgos. They know how to get the top dollar. Could everyone please relax. Way too much tension on ISG lately.
Thanks for the RTFF tip. Haven't heard that one before. Funny how some people assume because they have all the time in the world to sit on a forum. Everyone else must too. Here's the thing. SNIP SNIP
Hoza
Do not count on Hoza's top dollars to improve the filipino economy!
You seem to have a lot of time (452 words) to elaborate.
I'm not going to defend WR. I think he's been over the top lately. Nevertheless, your response seems to justify his antagonistic reply.
Thanks for the baseball analogies. I almost thought I was back in jr hs.
I've always preferred EDSA. It's something like a gated community. Once you pass security, you are in a naughty mall. Since you're willing to pay top dollar, stick to Burgos. They know how to get the top dollar. Could everyone please relax. Way too much tension on ISG lately.
Member #4387
11-09-15, 18:20
Do not count on Hoza's top dollars to improve the filipino economy!When you are afraid as Hoza the most convenient in my book would be to call in sick and hunt for girls in the first and second world countries. According to his writings he is to good for anything around in this 3 world and its ladies. Hoza go hunt in Paris, Stockholm, Oslo, LA, LAS etc etc. Most business people from my country cannot do any business here as they will be instantly investigated for corruption. So as long as you are not a secret service agent scouping around before Obama artives here you can just stay home or use the CL pages.
Like WR and others members these sites are fine but special for the phil section is that it is beeing well maintained and people share loads of info almost every day. Share as in a "give and take" kind of a deal.
Shangri-la Makati is located in a nice place but those tiny tiny rooms kreeps me out. Better deals all around this area even if you are a well hung circle member. Live in a shoebox comes to mind.
When you are afraid as Hoza the most convenient in my book would be to call in sick and hunt for girls in the first and second world countries. According to his writings he is to good for anything around in this 3 world and its ladies. Hoza go hunt in Paris, Stockholm, Oslo, LA, LAS etc etc. Most business people from my country cannot do any business here as they will be instantly investigated for corruption. So as long as you are not a secret service agent scouping around before Obama artives here you can just stay home or use the CL pages.
Like WR and others members these sites are fine but special for the phil section is that it is beeing well maintained and people share loads of info almost every day. Share as in a "give and take" kind of a deal.
Shangri-la Makati is located in a nice place but those tiny tiny rooms kreeps me out. Better deals all around this area even if you are a well hung circle member. Live in a shoebox comes to mind.Yeah it's the lifers that are wrong huh LOL Hoze bag is such a hozer but he thinks he's Gods answer to the Phils board. Not.
Didn't do much this trip as I was kinda sick first 5 days but did manage to fuck my Massagi girl at I Spa good. I am far from the Skoggiemon in numbers and that Zinc don't work for me Skogs.
PC out.
Firstly let's get one thing straight, this is a messageboard. So apart from admins we're just contributing and as far as I'm concerned a newbie's opinion is a valid as someone like WR, it if comes from personal experience.
However, when you have 16 posts and they're all "can anyone.... ", "does anyone know.... ", and have really contributed zero to this site in terms of insight, then you've only got yourself to blame if other members feel you're abusing the good nature and generosity generally offered to those (new and old alike) who come here looking for information.
I very much doubt you've led such a sheltered life that to this point that you've not had a single successful monger experience, so where's the report? Have you thought about how you can help fellow members who may be looking for the same thing you've already experienced?
Of course you haven't. You've posted question after question, and when someone has rightfully taken issue with your lazy approach (and it is exceptionally lazy), you've thrown your toys out of the pram and shown a gobsmacking lack of self awareness.
Anyway, best of luck.I'm afraid you didn't RTFF, did you? If you did you'd see my very first post was a quite lengthy report on my previous visits to Manila. Unfortunately, I haven't been back in a while and don't have other trip reports to share. Though now several days into my latest stay. I actually do. And will share when I have the time to compose an entertaining and articulate review. Two details that several here don't seem to be concerned with.
Hoza
I also find it amusing how guys go on the offensive when told to RTFF as some do and when they do they generally reap rewards but Hoza thinks he is above that and pays US prices in Makati for a street massage girl LOL. That's made my day.I get that English probably isn't your first language, but you must try harder to understand what is written. Who paid US prices for a street massage?
Apparently you've never stayed at the Shangri La Makati and have no idea the calibre of women they employ. It's well worth the upcharge to me for the quality, convenience, personality and security. And we're talking about $170 for FS. This girl was well worth it.
To each his own. But I don't shop for pussy with a coupon.
Hoza
I've always preferred EDSA. It's something like a gated community. Once you pass security, you are in a naughty mall. Since you're willing to pay top dollar, stick to Burgos. They know how to get the top dollar. Could everyone please relax. Way too much tension on ISG lately.Thanks for the reply. I've had such good luck in the hotel, I haven't had to venture out to either location.
There's a new place. At least new to me. In the Shangri La called Sage. It is a buffet of women. I'm assuming the correct term is free lancers. They trend to the older end of the spectrum but there are young ones too. And very pretty. Not quite the selection of EDSA or Burgos. But I've had no problems finding what I was looking for.
Two nights ago, it was beautiful Aileen. 26 years old she said and it seemed believable. In hospitality school supposedly with dreams of working at the Shangri La or on a cruise ship. As many know, I haven't read the fucking forum, but I'm guessing this is a common refrain. I take it all with a grain of salt.
She had the most adorable accent. Very sexy actually. Sounded French to me and it turned me on as much as her body. Which was tight, though there was a small scar on her flat belly. She warned me of this while we drank wine in Sage. Ectopic pregnancy she said when she was 21. She was really beautiful so I was not deterred by this. I'm a sensitive guy and wouldn't discount her for this. I asked her about money and she said she didn't want to discuss it. She said just pay me whatever your heart tells you. I was still bound by discretion at this point and told her to come to my room in 10 minutes. I gave her a key to my room so she could access my floor. She was right on time.
I learned something new on this night. You can order condoms from room service. She had none. I had none. Totally unprepared on my part but working long hours and sleeping the rest of the time hadn't allowed me time to condom shop despite the pharmacy and convenience store right across the street.
She was fun. Playful. Cute. Not aggressive. But not to shy. Really provided the GFE. We had sex two times. And it was great. So great, I've considered forgoing the variety pack and spending the rest of my time with her. If she's playing me for a fool, so be it. I get no sense of that. And I don't really care. I'm not looking for a long term relationship. Just a good time while I'm in town.
She stayed until about 5:00 in the morning. And I gave her 7000. A cheap night for me. As she left she wrote down her name and contact info. I've thought about calling her several times. But for some reason haven't pulled the trigger. I guess variety appeals to me too much right now. Unfortunately, my next experience was not quite as good. I probably should've called. And may still yet.
Hoza
Shangri-la Makati is located in a nice place but those tiny tiny rooms kreeps me out. Better deals all around this area even if you are a well hung circle member. Live in a shoebox comes to mind.Tiny tiny rooms? Haha. That's funny. Don't be so cheap. I've been living in a suite all week. More rooms than even the almighty Skogis could fuck in in a week.
Hoza
I get that English probably isn't your first language, but you must try harder to understand what is written. Who paid US prices for a street massage?
Apparently you've never stayed at the Shangri La Makati and have no idea the calibre of women they employ. It's well worth the upcharge to me for the quality, convenience, personality and security. And we're talking about $170 for FS. This girl was well worth it.
To each his own. But I don't shop for pussy with a coupon.
HozaI don't think coupons have anything to do with it. It really doesn't matter to me, I say pay whatever makes you feel good, enjoy your time. Some people might mock you for paying $150 and up for the same women they're getting for $30 or $40.
As long as you're happy, it's your money, and it guarantees every woman will be available for a repeat.
CallSign Papa
11-12-15, 13:40
I'm afraid you didn't RTFF, did you? If you did you'd see my very first post was a quite lengthy report on my previous visits to Manila.
HozaYou're right, after scrolling down through 15 consecutive posts of questions and little (if any) contributions of real value to anyone else I decided I'd seen enough.
My bad.
On the point raised below, if a girl is smoking hot (and I mean a 9), and you're not paying a BF or spending a shedload at a bar, and she's basically going to be a porn star in the bedroom or an ultimate GFE, then 7000 (whilst quite pricey by Manila standards) could be considered acceptable.
WestCoast1
11-12-15, 15:21
You're right, after scrolling down through 15 consecutive posts of questions and little (if any) contributions of real value to anyone else I decided I'd seen enough.Poor Hoza has been taking a drubbing. I'll give Hoza the benefit of the doubt. I scrolled thru his posts about a week ago. His first post was a descriptive FR (thank you sir). OTOH, the rest are not (questions that could be answered by PM contact, not the open board), and you don't yet have PM (I was going to PM you some info, and would still do so). If you can afford to travel for pleasure, you can afford to both RTTF and spend the $20 for the annual subscription. And good recent descriptive PM about your all-nighter.
FreebieFan
11-13-15, 01:38
She stayed until about 5:00 in the morning. And I gave her 7000. A cheap night for me. As she left she wrote down her name and contact info.
HozaIts always good to have a reason to smile first thing in the morning. Either a braggart or a plonker or a combination of the two. Guess the P 7000 pussy was gold plated with titanium for accent colouring. .
And yes, many of us could easily afford to pay this, but if a bag of rice is priced at P250 you don't give the cashier P1000. Just a thought.
Its always good to have a reason to smile first thing in the morning. Either a braggart or a plonker or a combination of the two. Guess the P 7000 pussy was gold plated with titanium for accent colouring. .
And yes, many of us could easily afford to pay this, but if a bag of rice is priced at P250 you don't give the cashier P1000. Just a thought.He must think he is the only guy who stays in five star hotels. Unfortunately, if he knew the city better, he would realize the Shang isn't the best hotel. So he stayed in the suite of an ok hotel. Great. Perhaps if he RTFF'd the hotel thread, he'd get some better ideas. Oh, I forgot, he's too busy making money to do that. We might seem like a bunch of chumps, heck he might think the Filipinos are all chumps. But soon he'll realize those on this board aren't doing too shabby and the Filipinos in the clubs might actually have a net worth with a zero or two more than him. Being humble can get one far.
Hey Hoza, Don't let the price police get you down. $150 until 5:00 AM without having to leave your hotel sounds decent to me. If you continue getting flack about what you're paying, you might try lying, like this:
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=1122121&viewfull=1#post1122121
Jesting aside, I'm sorry you got off on the wrong foot with your comments about Skogis, which weren't warranted, and hope you'll mellow a bit and keep contributing. A couple of your posts have been damn entertaining, to me at least.
Tiny tiny rooms? Haha. That's funny. Don't be so cheap. I've been living in a suite all week. More rooms than even the almighty Skogis could fuck in in a week.
HozaHozbag,
If you were on your own dime and not the companies dime, you would be staying at the Motel 6. You one arrogant fool paying 1000 p for a 200 p bag of rice as FF said. I can afford any of these 7-10 k peso gals but once again they can be had for 2-3 k pesos so what's your point that you are well off, multi-millionaire, playboy? I think not.
Pc out.
Wicked Roger
11-14-15, 11:41
Hozbag,
If you were on your own dime and not the companies dime, you would be staying at the Motel 6. You one arrogant fool paying 1000 p for a 200 p bag of rice as FF said. I can afford any of these 7-10 k peso gals but once again they can be had for 2-3 k pesos so what's your point that you are well off, multi-millionaire, playboy? I think not.
Pc out.Could this be Tar Heel aka CaliPro but he has now turned into the same arrogant person on a huge salary, unlimited expense account as the boasting and pompous nature suggests the same. Could be all made as Hoza is a newbie and THB / CP was always changing handles as he was repeatedly redacted and told to move on by admin.
Just the logic defies reason. If you want to boast about wealth do so elsewhere where people will notice more hence this could a one handed typist with fantasies as we don't get ay reasonable FRs no price but lots of drivel and back chat.
Maybe others can enlighten us or think the same LOL.
Hoza. I have stayed at Shangri La in Makati and elsewhere and the Makati version (well both places in Manila) are 4 star IMHO and I won't stay there again. Now talk of the chain in other Asian places maybe but Fairmont is way better I Makati are other hotels. More bang for you buck so to speak. But YMMV as we sau.
...I've been living in a suite all week. More rooms than even the almighty Skogis could fuck in a week.
HozaQuite a lot of guys are pretty good at spending money on themselves, but when it comes to the girls they are stingy.
This guy did not even bother paying $20 to get PM.
Quite a lot of guys are pretty good at spending money on themselves, but when it comes to the girls they are stingy.
WestCoast1
11-14-15, 17:20
Quite a lot of guys are pretty good at spending money on themselves, but when it comes to the girls they are stingy.Quite true, Sx, and I fall into that category. Let me expound. I will gladly spend money in each new city / province when I arrive, for a LARGE, comfy towel. My first day in-town, I go to a mall and buy a LARGE, comfy, absorbant towel. When I leave, I donate it to a girl, or the cleaning staff at the hotel. Hotel towels are usually crappy. If I'm in phils for a month, that might mean buying one in Manila upon arrival, a few days later in a northern province, a few days later in AC, a week later in Cebu, a week later in Surigao, and so on. I don't want to shower and wet the towel in my morning of departure, then toss it into my suitcase, wet. I'm just leaving it behind. This is one of my personal peccadillos, and I don't really care about the cost. I have noticed that the cost of the towel is sometimes more than I give the provincial girl for a night. She may or may not be aware of the price of the towel (many of my repeats know that if they are my first girl of my trip to that province, she is going shopping with me my first afternoon of arrival, and she is aware that I'm about to spend more on a towel than on her). Do I care that she knows that I'm spending more on a towel than her? No! Does she care? I'm not sure. However, as she's repeated with me 8 times in 5 years, I'm guessing that its of little concern to her that she likes spending her days / nights sexing me up (well aware that I'm sexing other girls in town).
I prefer to pay a more 'local' rate anywhere I go, as opposed to the 'going' rate that we often discuss on the board here. Usually. In Manila there is a street food vendor where I get chicken bbq sticks, rice, and vegetables for under p100. Is that stingy? Possibly so. Up the street from that vendor is a halal place, complete with muslim-dressed waitresses (pinay). Cost for a meal with simple drink (ice tea) is p500-1000, cost for me and my pinay could be up to 3000 with alcohol. Is that stingy? I don't think so (the locals won't eat there as its too expensive). My last time there, I took my girl. The hijab-clad waitresses and I were giggling away when I made catholic jokes. Cost for the combined meal was 1300, and I threw down 2500 total because the ambiance and experience was lovely. I rarely tip, but it was a nice experience. I eat at the street vendor a lot. Is that stingy? The girl in Manila who went to the halal resto gets less per night than I paid for the meal (and has repeated for years, you've seen her before in the PG). Is that stingy? I'm not sure.
Sometimes the 'local' rate is much more than what I'm used to paying (ie, when I'm traveling in a large westernized city, as I live in a smaller place), and I'm just fine paying the higher prices -- if that price is what the locals are used to paying. I take my parents on occasion to one of my mother's fav restos. She only gets to go there when I'm in her city to visit (its expensive). Its a ritzy place, not the kind we have where I live. Cost for the meal for 3 of us is often $150+ (often there is no alcohol, just decaf). Last time there the waitress was witty, and engaged my mother with interesting politics. My mother was impressed with the conversation. I tossed down over $200 (155 for the meal, + healthy tip) for the experience.
A hammer in phils costs $7. In my city that's $15. In a big city it might be $25. I'm fine with all that. I prefer not to pay $25 for a hammer in Mexico or phils. Recently someone chastised Hoza for spending 7000 P for a girl. I can see it Hoza's point. If its a wonderful experience, I can see it. I can see both sides of the coin. If Hoza is OK with it, go get it. I prefer not to do that. The rub, I think, is when the gent is unaware of lower prices. A while back a gent said on the board that based on RTTF, he went in Cebu to a typical pickup place, negotiated with a girl a price of pXXXX, and had a nice ST. He said it was good value for the money. I PM'd, saying that he paid several times the typical rate, but if he liked the girl, he should repeat. Later he said he got several similar PM's, and he was not aware that he was overpaying. He considered it 'good value' because the amount he paid was less than half of what he was used to paying at home.
For other guys (high-roller? The girls to them are like my towel is to me. I see the girl more like a hammer. While I have a good relationship with many girls who repeat, if her drama (or anything else) gets in the way of the reason I'm there, I'm dropping her like 3rd period French class.
This guy did not even bother paying $20 to get PM.You are referring to Hoza, of course. Did not know that till checked just now.
Yes, there are plenty of takers, not givers nowadays. What is fair and reasonable to one, is stingy to another. Myself I take the 'going rate' ex ISG as a guide, and when I do not think the girl is worth the going rate I do not do business with her. I move on without any commitment. I do not discuss beforehand "how much" , just give her the going rate, after the deed. I can not remember any one querying my 'donation'. I'm one of those who does not like discussing money, before the deed. I enjoy the so called GFE experience, and talking money beforehand spoils its for me.
Since when do you pay for GFE?. Since you landed in the Phils, that's when, LOL. Anyway girlfriends are cheaper than wives!
I take the view I can not buck the system, but I do not want to add to its problems either, eg, by overpaying. Hence I move on, if a girl does not appear to be value to me (going rate). Its a shitty life, working in a bikini bar, guys inspecting the meat. Overweight, arrogant, smelly, rude. All comes into play at some point or other, for the girls. For a lot of them, its survival but not enjoyable. Exceptions. Those girls that make decent money, and who don't care who fucks them, LOL.
Researching ISG can save a lot of money and grief. Compare the $20 with air fares, hotels, restaurants, taxis, and 'bar fines'.
Too many takers are even too lazy to read ISG. They want the girls on a plate for next to nothing, and want the info regarding that, for next to no effort too.
I get a lot of joy and fun from the bar scene, cause I am willing to play along with the GFE thing, and not treat them as a piece of meat, LOL. It's a game, and I have found a way to enjoy it.
WestCoast1
11-15-15, 16:12
Anyway girlfriends are cheaper than wives!Sxxxx for President!
Great post sir.
Its a shitty life, working in a bikini bar, guys inspecting the meat. Overweight, arrogant, smelly, rude. All comes into play at some point or other, for the girls.We too often forget this. For any working girl (bar, street, escort, etc), there are constant dangers and pitfalls. No matter how cautious she is, there will be hard times. One cannot be in the biz for a long time without facing disease or abusive men.
Researching ISG can save a lot of money and grief. Compare the $20 with air fares, hotels, restaurants, taxis, and 'bar fines'. Too many takers are even too lazy to read ISG. They want the girls on a plate for next to nothing, and want the info regarding that, for next to no effort too.What WR refers to as 'manager class'.
Wicked Roger
11-15-15, 17:08
Sxxxx for President!
Great post sir.
We too often forget this. For any working girl (bar, street, escort, etc), there are constant dangers and pitfalls. No matter how cautious she is, there will be hard times. One cannot be in the biz for a long time without facing disease or abusive men.
What WR refers to as 'manager class'.The term was coined on the UAE board there is a huge influx of takers and not givers.
Any are from the Indian sub continent on that board (and a quick look at the Indian board can tell you lot about that demographic). Even my close Indian friends lament this and some have caused grief with some of their favourite (lurkers etc).
Here they are a mix but they all get very angry when called out by others, very much attack. Defense mode. Hoza is no different, Tar Heel aka CaliPRo yet another who would flame others for pointing out basic issues.
When we do this sometime we are called abrasive and given a 'strike' - punishment for telling the takers to give first.
In my time of being and the board, any question I have asked is based a good RTFF first not the reverse but for many, they think we should give up good contacts for those we don't know and who could be a trouble maker.
And sometime seniors think I am a tad harsh as well LOL but if they saw my inbox from newbies asking for "hot pinays I Cebu / Manila / UAE etc" you too would be a tad short at times.
Westie. You are a gentle sould who helps when other may not, me I help if I feel the person has RTFF and asked good questions which are not "is the Manila hotel GFE?" or "where do I find a massage with a happy ending" ad naseum!
Sxxx. Good FR and yes Hoza has no PM so he is a rich CaliPro LOL.
Yes of course, I meant the high-roller manager.
You are referring to Hoza, of course. Did not know that till checked just now.
The term was coined on the UAE board there is a huge influx of takers and not givers.
Any are from the Indian sub continent on that board (and a quick look at the Indian board can tell you lot about that demographic). Even my close Indian friends lament this and some have caused grief with some of their favourite (lurkers etc).I am of Indian descent and I can I agree that the mentality of Indians on this board is not so giving.
EastCoast11
11-19-15, 02:14
Excellent post bro.
Quite true, Sx, and I fall into that category. Let me expound. I will gladly spend money in each new city / province when I arrive, for a LARGE, comfy towel. My first day in-town, I go to a mall and buy a LARGE, comfy, absorbant towel. When I leave, I donate it to a girl, or the cleaning staff at the hotel. Hotel towels are usually crappy. If I'm in phils for a month...
Yes of course, I meant the high-roller manager.What is the significance of spending $20 on this site? Don't get it at all. Just so I can have the pleasure of you knuckleheads PMing me? I should be paid $20 to endure that. I didn't sign up for the premium membership because I'm not really crazy about the idea of having my CC linked to a sex mongering site. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp? The conclusions you leap to are extremely comical. In one breath I'm chastised for paying too much for an experience I truly did enjoy more than I expected. And the next I'm chastised for being cheap. Really has me wondering about the cumulative IQ around here.
So the second night in Manila. Having a glass of wine alone, yet surrounded by women in the hotel bar. Around 8:00 pm. Planning my next move. I can't look up from my phone without someone making eye contact and smiling. Mouthing "Hi" to me. Gesturing for me to come over. Or looking for an invite from me to approach. Thinking about Angel. Call her back? Find someone new? I knew it would be a good time if I called her but I've waited a while to get back to Manila and I had other things on my "to do" list.
I was still enjoying my wine and deep in thought when suddenly my decision was made for me. With my peripheral vision I notice a blur in a tight black dress breeze past headed for the ladies room. I didn't get a good look but enough of one to pay attention to the door to see what came walking back out. After a couple of minutes the blur came back. She was young and very pretty. 20 it turns out. Wearing braces which made her even cuter to me. And she gave me a smile as she walked past. After she returned to her seat we made eye contact several times and I was done. I couldn't resist. Decision made. I went over and said Hello,. Unfortunately, I noticed a pack of cigarettes on the table in front of her. That's typically a deal breaker for me. Just a huge turn off. But she was hot and tight and I pressed on. Her name was Anna and she was not alone. She was with her girlfriend Abby. And I realized this was going to be a package deal. Anna was an 8 in the looks department. Tight body, small tits, nice ass. No fat. Abby was more of a six. Cute face. Not ugly by any stretch but a little more baby fat on her. I could tell she was self conscious and nervous. We sat in the bar for a while and chatted, then as I had done the night before I left them the key to my room and asked them to come up in 10 minutes.
When they arrived I had my first twinge of regret. Anna seemed very immature. Immediately tuned the TV to a music station and started dancing and making a spectacle of herself. Abby just sat quietly next to me rubbing my leg and drinking the wine I had poured them both. After a few minutes of dancing Anna came over said lets go in the bedroom and fuck. Another turnoff. Despite the reality of it, I don't want to be reminded that I am just buying sex. But in we went. Anna stripped with no help from me but Abby got down only to her panties. She was shy which to me was cute and I let her be for now. In the bed we kissed and touched and I was surprised that it was Abby that went down and began to suck on my dick. She still had her sexy top on and as I rubbed her while she did it, I pushed up her shirt and was pleasantly surprised. Her body was actually better than I thought. She had a little more meat on her bones than Anna but I liked it. When it came time to fuck it was Anna who flopped on her back and whose legs flew open. At this point I had become more interested in Abby. But I fucked Anna missionary style. While Abby rubbed my back and ass. And kissed my neck. It was an unremarkable fuck. Felt good enough. Nothing like the night before however. When it was over, Abby layed down on the bed next to me, her head on my chest, my arm around her. I hadn't really done much with her at this point. Almost felt bad for neglecting her. But here she was cuddling up next to me and going to sleep. Anna was up and in the shower and getting dressed within 90 seconds. The night was still young for her. They spoke in Tagalog (I assume) and I could tell there was a debate. Anna wanted to go. Abby wanted to stay. That's exactly what I wanted too. Anna gone. Abby here. I got what I wanted.
Abby ended up staying most of the night. We kissed a lot. And touched each other. Slept a while. The next time I got hard, without asking Abby went down and finished me with her mouth. She was completely naked at this point and I liked what I saw. Her 6 rating had changed. Thanks to her sweet, demure personality. She was a 6 with a 10 personality, while Anna was an 8 with a 1 personality. I had sex with Abby only one time that night but it was slow and lasted for a while. Not rushed as it was with Anna. The second half of the night, much better than the first half. Before the sun came up, I walked Abby out to a cab. We hugged good bye. The night cost me $100 each. Money wasted on Anna but well spent on Abby. I went back to my room and got some sleep and wondered what my next move would be.
Hoza.
Really has me wondering about the cumulative IQ around here.
Given the number of members here on ISG the "cumulative IQ" is likely 6 or 7 digits. It might even be 8 digits. Of the Philippines forum itself it'll be 4 or 5 digits, cumulatively.
Given the number of members here on ISG the "cumulative IQ" is likely 6 or 7 digits. It might even be 8 digits. Highly doubt it. On this forum, we'll be lucky to hit 3 digits.
Hoza.
WestCoast1
11-22-15, 07:46
Highly doubt it. On this forum, we'll be lucky to hit 3 digits.
Hoza.No need to insult others. Dammit, that's my job.
WestCoast1
11-22-15, 07:49
Excellent post bro.Love your username!
WestCoast1
11-22-15, 07:58
First, a high-five to Hoza for writing quality descriptive reports. Kudos.
What is the significance of spending $20 on this site? I'll take a stab.
Don't get it at all. Just so I can have the pleasure of you knuckleheads PMing me? I should be paid $20 to endure that. You might have that back-asswards. You pay up a subscription so you can have the pleasure of PMing knuckleheads like me (or other seniors) for information. The good-stuff answers most folk are looking for is often never found on the open board. I had planned on sending you that, until I saw you had no PM. Also, unlike you, most gents who don't subscribe also don't come back later and write descriptive FR's (takers, not givers, which is anathema to the phils threads).
I didn't sign up for the premium membership because I'm not really crazy about the idea of having my CC linked to a sex mongering site. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp?There are ways to subscribe without using a credit card. Contact Jackson.
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The good-stuff answers most folk are looking for is often never found on the open board. I have to support what WC1 is saying.
90% of my activity on ISG is now engaged with PMs from and to other "members".
The subscription allows the sharing of both email addresses and phone numbers which is not something that is either allowed or sensible on the open board.
BTW Hoza, thanks for the interesting posts despite not being a paid-up member.
BTW post-script: I think a few guys missed the word "cumulative" when discussing IQ of members. It probably takes at least 2 members to achieve a cumulative IQ of 3 figures (or more than 100 anyway. Insert smiley here).
{S N I P} Anna stripped with no help from me but Abby got down only to her panties.
{S N I P}Abby that went down and began to suck on my dick. She still had her sexy top on and as I rubbed her while she did it, I pushed up her shirt and was pleasantly surprised.{S N I P}I am sure that there is a perfectly feasible explanation for this conundrum, or is it an indicator of something else?
Cheers.
Highly doubt it. On this forum, we'll be lucky to hit 3 digits.
Hoza.Are you suggesting that your own IQ is a low single digit?
Just trying to check your math.
First, a high-five to Hoza for writing quality descriptive reports. Kudos.His next one will be about an orgy in the suite at the Shang where he paid $400 to each girl. At least DS is much more believable.
WestCoast1
11-22-15, 15:45
His next one will be about an orgy in the suite at the Shang where he paid $400 to each girl. At least DS is much more believable.To expound: Hoza has at least written descriptive FR's. Most non-paid members don't do such: they simply ask for information, then move along (they take without giving). Persons who do this aren't deserving of my information. Persons who do post descriptive FR's are deserving. Persons posting FR's + have PM get better information.
So the second night in Manila. Having a glass of wine alone, yet surrounded by women in the hotel bar. Around 8:00 pm. Planning my next move.So, just to reconfirm, the moves here are in a hotel bar -- the Shangri La Makati is it.
First, a high-five to Hoza for writing quality descriptive reports. Kudos.
I'll take a stab.
You might have that back-asswards. You pay up a subscription so you can have the pleasure of PMing knuckleheads like me (or other seniors) for information. The good-stuff answers most folk are looking for is often never found on the open board. I had planned on sending you that, until I saw you had no PM. Also, unlike you, most gents who don't subscribe also don't come back later and write descriptive FR's (takers, not givers, which is anathema to the phils threads).
There are ways to subscribe without using a credit card. Contact Jackson.Thanks for the high five. I've got one or two left in me from this trip. I'll get them up soon.
I'll also reach out to Jackson and explore my options.
Hoza
I am sure that there is a perfectly feasible explanation for this conundrum, or is it an indicator of something else?
CheersI see what you did there. There is a perfectly feasible explanation. She was shy. But it all eventually came off. She was 100% female. There was never any doubt in my mind just by looking at her face and body. But I did subtly make sure just the same.
I've been to Thailand three times and seen plenty of lady boys that I'm lucky I didn't make a mistake with. Those trips have made me extremely aware in that regard.
Hoza
Are you suggesting that your own IQ is a low single digit?
Just trying to check your math.I'm not a paid member so I'm not part of the calc.
Hoza
His next one will be about an orgy in the suite at the Shang where he paid $400 to each girl. At least DS is much more believable.What's so unbelievable about my reports? That's funny considering we have a guy on her writes about banging 10 different girls in 5 hours with only a ten minute window in between each. That's what passes for believable around here? I'd really like to know what parts of my reports were unbelievable. I'd be happy to expound on them.
I try to write real reports. Exactly as events went down. I don't try to make them more spectacular than they really were. I don't try to paint myself as some ridiculous super stud. If the chick takes off her top and is built like a sack of doorknobs, I'm not going to say she looked Jessica Alba. If I can't get it up no matter how many girls are trying. It will be in there. Lucky neither have happened yet. Bottom line. I write about the good and bad. If it's in the report, you can believe it.
Hoza
MrWoolyBooly
11-23-15, 00:45
What's so unbelievable about my reports? That's funny considering we have a guy on her writes about banging 10 different girls in 5 hours with only a ten minute window in between each. That's what passes for believable around here?
HozaNo need to impugn a guy who posts copious evidence: Pics of pantyless ladies wearing custom-ordered shirts with his username. Pics of the zinc bottles that supposedly help the batteries recharge. Pics of the ladies poked from every angle with an easily recognizable mall visible out the window. More ladies than most guys can do just counting pics of stuffed clams and other explicitness. Exaggerated? Anything's possible, but to no purpose already. I can vouch for his straightforwardness in PM.
I have no idea whether your reports are true or not, but am grateful for your first narratives. They sound plausibly similar to my first couple visits to the Philippines. I'm available by PM for more details about anything I've written to all whose contributions informed or entertained.
Since this is the Makati forum, I'd like to ask the members: Brand-name Vitamin V is 800 pesos per tablet at the Generics Pharmacy just below Burgos (Makati Ave & Anza). Has anybody bought the generic version there to know the price? On Google Street View, the pharmacy's main sign is blurred out more than the two lonely-looking ladies in front of it.
I see what you did there. There is a perfectly feasible explanation. She was shy. But it all eventually came off. She was 100% female. There was never any doubt in my mind just by looking at her face and body. But I did subtly make sure just the same. {S N I P}You thought I was implying that Abby was a bacla? Reread your earlier post!
"Abby got down only to her panties.". That means she was then only wearing panties - no other clothes!
Then Abby "still had her sexy top on". Did you forget she had already taken it off?
And then "I pushed up her shirt". I wonder where the shirt was pushed? Into her mouth?
"Exactly as events went down". Somehow I don't think so!
It is easier to explain things to someone with low level Down Syndrome.
Cheers
So, just to reconfirm, the moves here are in a hotel bar -- the Shangri La Makati is it.Yes. My first two nights I never left the hotel. Sage in the Shangri La Makati had all I needed. My plan both nights wasn't to stay there but to start there. But one thing led to another and I never left. There were a lot of women here. Many older and not what anyone here is looking for. But there was more than enough to work with. Worked out for me anyway.
Hoza
You thought I was implying that Abby was a bacla? Reread your earlier post!
"Abby got down only to her panties.". That means she was then only wearing panties!
Then Abby "still had her sexy top on". On where? On the floor?
And then "I pushed up her shirt". I wonder where the shirt was pushed? Into her mouth?
Sometimes it is easier to explain things to a boy with low level Down Syndrome!
CheersWhen I said down to her panties. I meant she didn't get completely naked. Unlike Anna who shed everything. And her sexy top and shirt are one and the same. Sorry if I don't use all the correct female fashion terminology. You sound like an expert, so please correct away.
As for my writing style, sorry if it's too complicated for you. I just can't bring myself to write down to a 4th grade level. Maybe you'd do better with picture books.
Hoza
{S N I P}Since this is the Makati forum, I'd like to ask the members: Brand-name Vitamin V is 800 pesos per tablet at the Generics Pharmacy just below Burgos (Makati Ave & Anza). Has anybody bought the generic version there to know the price? On Google Street View, the pharmacy's main sign is blurred out more than the two lonely-looking ladies in front of it.If nobody is here is able to answer, I will ask a colleague of mine (a senior police officer in Makati).
But. . . . . Have you tried the 1.5mg ultra low dose C that is taken as a daily medication? Instant action!
My problem with normal V, C and L, is it take 30-40 minutes to be effective with me and by then the girls have usually managed to escape from my room.
Cheers.
Mr WB,
Generics pharmacy carries a generic Viagra. I bought some there last year. You have to ask for the generic one. I believe 50 MG was 71 pesos. 100 MG 141 pesos.
Dg8787.
MrWoolyBooly
11-23-15, 02:53
Mr Ikksman and Mr 8787.
Thanks for the replies. I'm more of a schedule guy and would take my vitamins either when she's just arrived or 90%+ sure she's on the way. Never tried the zinc, may experiment on my next visit. If the Generics employees (I've usually seen two) were enterprising, they could arrange local hotel room delivery for a fee and supplement their wages nicely haha.
Never tried the zinc, may experiment on my next visit.The zinc is for your cum. If you want more to shoot more loads use it, but you need to start taking it long beforehand. It won't fix a broken boner.
The zinc is for your cum. If you want more to shoot more loads use it, but you need to start taking it long beforehand. It won't fix a broken boner.So many viable products at your local GNC / Vitamin Shoppe. Ejaculoid (or similar containing Maca -- for volumization) that viagra / cialas only needed for those who've virtually reached their personal expiration date.
You have to ask for the generic one.
Lolwut? Generics Pharmacy stocks generics, ergo the name of the place. (Given the chaotic nature of Philippines business it would not surprise me to find a franchisee's shop stocking other drugs including Pfizer's Viagra, but this violates TGP's franchise contract as all pharma products are exclusive supplied by TGP.)
I believe 50 MG was 71 pesos. 100 MG 141 pesos.Presently it stocks two brands, Tigerfil and Spiagra, of sildenafil citrate. A generic drug can have a brand name. It just can't use the inventor's brand name, i.e. Viagra.
Sildenafil is one of four PDE5 inhibitors, the other three being vardenafil, avanafil and tadalafil, but Generics doesn't stock the other three. (It stocks another PDE5 inhibitor named dipyridamole, but this drug isn't licenced for ED. If one wants to cut the drug cost by a large percent and doesn't mind testing meds on oneself give it a crack. Can't be any more daring or reckless than buying counterfeit medicine in the street.)
50 mg Tigerfil is p69 and 100 mg Spiagra is p49. The great thing about this chemist's website is it lists all the stocked drugs and the price.
http://www.thegenericspharmacy.com/prod.php?page=1&pname=s. This may assist a customer avoid being overcharged.
The zinc is for your cum. If you want more to shoot more loads use it, but you need to start taking it long beforehand. It won't fix a broken boner.Forgot to mention it may help reduce refractory period. But there are better alternatives than zinc for that.
When I said down to her panties. I meant she didn't get completely naked. Unlike Anna who shed everything. And her sexy top and shirt are one and the same. Sorry if I don't use all the correct female fashion terminology. You sound like an expert, so please correct away.
As for my writing style, sorry if it's too complicated for you. I just can't bring myself to write down to a 4th grade level. Maybe you'd do better with picture books.
HozaIf she was only in her panties then she wasn't wearing her shirt/top/ bra/hat/scarf or any other garment, so how could she later take it off! There was no ambiguity in your sentence! BS artists often make elementary mistakes in their initial post and then try and shift the goal posts to cover up, usually adding "I meant. . . . . ".
One well-known BS artist recently wrote "Most people in Taiwan speak English" and then later, when called out, wrote "I meant girls in the 20-28 age bracket". I pick up these things as I don't look at the flowers whilst riding on horseback.
And yes, I sometimes do have plenty of time. But, I am sure that you and some other posters here will be very happy to see me disappear for a while. I am about to head off to Maseru, the only place I have been to where the tourist bureau ladies insist on giving you handfuls of free condoms. I remember once returning most of the condoms to the ladies, telling them "I only need two, as I will only be here a week". They were in hysterics, and I was nervous that they were going to smash the glass counter tops with their huge breasts. I have previously posted about my experiences in that city (in the appropriate forum).
Ikks
And I don't give a fu*k!
To expound: Hoza has at least written descriptive FR's. Most non-paid members don't do such: they simply ask for information, then move along (they take without giving). Persons who do this aren't deserving of my information. Persons who do post descriptive FR's are deserving. Persons posting FR's + have PM get better information.For me, I neither want to PM nor want to receive a PM, so choose not to get a subscription. I've traveled to the Phils and also was once a resident, so just enjoy reading some great reports, but also fantasies of others.
For me, I neither want to PM nor want to receive a PM, so choose not to get a subscription. I've traveled to the Phils and also was once a resident, so just enjoy reading some great reports, but also fantasies of others.May be you don't need the facilities provided by the forum for the paid subscribers. Since you enjoying in your language great reports, fantasies and you posting your reports too. But you overlooking one point, you are not feeling necessity to supporting the forum with just for 20 bucks in a year.
Wander Luster
11-24-15, 07:54
Thanks for the reply. I've had such good luck in the hotel, I haven't had to venture out to either location.
There's a new place. At least new to me. In the Shangri La called Sage. It is a buffet of women. I'm assuming the correct term is free lancers. They trend to the older end of the spectrum but there are young ones too. And very pretty. Not quite the selection of EDSA or Burgos. But I've had no problems finding what I was looking for.
HozaHow many woman are in there on the nights that you went? I'm surprised a place in the Shangri La would have more than 5 working. I'm kinda jaded, though. I think Club Havana kinda sucks, mostly because $$$ expectations are too high from freelancers.
How many woman are in there on the nights that you went? I'm surprised a place in the Shangri La would have more than 5 working. I'm kinda jaded, though. I think Club Havana kinda sucks, mostly because $$$ expectations are too high from freelancers.On the nights I was in there and picked up the girls, I was in there very early. 7:00 pm or so. At this time there were at least 20 single girls looking for company. There were very few guys in the place. Earlier in the week, when I was with co workers and relegated to spectator status. We went in later and the number of women was easily over 30.
Hoza.
How many woman are in there on the nights that you went? I'm surprised a place in the Shangri La would have more than 5 working. I'm kinda jaded, though. I think Club Havana kinda sucks, mostly because $$$ expectations are too high from freelancers.Don't forget, I've been ridiculed for paying too much. If you're looking for a bargain, this may not be the place.
I walked to Cafe Havana one night. Was propositioned three times just on the walk from the Shangri La to Greenbelt. One was actually tempting. But on this night I had to be a good boy and was just scoping things out for later in the week. I had heard bad things about Cafe Havana so wasn't expecting much. I was actually surprised to see quite a few girls that I would've been interested in if I was open for business that night. Didn't stay long but realized I could have a good time there. Unfortunately, never made it back as my stay wasn't long enough to do everything I wanted.
Hoza
My little Liar GF was relentless in begging to get back together after cheating on me. I couldn't handle the pressure and caved, so will give it another try. Unfortunately I'd already booked a week in manila to do some actual charity work. I hate coming to the phils without giving back. I love to pillage and plunder the cute little pinays, but I have to be polite and give back at the same time to avoid a very guilty conscience. Anyhow. Arrived last Sunday with my mate. First time for him. He's a young hot stud that pulls mad babes wherever he goes without even trying, but I knew he'd have fun here. I'd been on FC for several months accumulating target acquisition intel and had about 50 girls lined up, but we all know about the dismal meet rate. We settled in to our Gramercy condo near Burgos. Plenty of decent restos nearby so I've been happy. I lined up some dates and we started meeting them at the adjacent Century City Mall. Redolent of my past experiences here in Manila, I didn't find any that blew my hair back and were worth cheating on my Liar for. I passed a few off to my mate. They were easy scores for him and he was having fun. I was enjoying meeting the girls but disappointed in that I wasn't finding what I was looking for which is now under 30, kidless and tight, doesn't look 10 years old, and can carry a conversation that goes beyond "don't forget to take your dinner na". We went to Burgos for the first time and went straight to Plan be. Per all the fantastic advice from all of you, it worked out well. We went straight to the mamasan, who was very gracious and never asked for anything. I was going to buy her a drink but we were too busy chatting. I told her what I wanted (intelligent, bubbly), and she delivered, as my mate picked his girl out. He bought a drink for his girl, and took her into a back booth for some naughtiness. I focused on my QT. There was minimal pressure to buy drinks of any type. I felt as if my girl would have sat with me and chatted even if I didn't offer to buy her a drink. I didn't want her to work for free, so I offered to buy one, everyone cheered and my girl gave me a big thank you and hugged me. I like appreciation and always grab the opportunity to be a hero when it costs only a few bucks. My girl and I connected immediately as we had so many things in common. We talked non-stop for about an hour. I wasn't ready to P4P, so when my mate came back and said he was done, we bid them a goodbye. I really like Plan be and would go back. I'd like to try some of the other recommended bars and will def avoid the drink gouging bars. It really pays to RTFF. We're half way through our trip, and having a great time, but I'm realizing that Manila still isn't the place for me. I've had better success and enjoyment in Davao and Cebu for regular girls. As I get older and less attractive, I find it easier to pull cute girls in these cities with my ridiculously high expectations. Manila seems to have more competition from more guys and its just so hard to move around Manila with the gridlocked traffic. We ended up walking everywhere. I have about 10 more girls lined up to meet and will try to post a completion report when done. My final conclusion which I've known and reaffirmed but keep getting suckered into is: avoid any girls that ask for any phone loads or taxi fares when you haven't even met yet. Their need is valid, but it seems like any girl that asks for this will never stop begging and will treat you like a wallet. I offer taxi fare and loads to the girls after I meet. Some take it, some don't, but all are appreciative if they are not asking beforehand, and these are the best girls: the ones that value you, and don't focus on the cash, even though they need it.
Cheers!
Aimless
Alright I know this is an escort review and should technically fall under the escort section, but since that place is dead and I technically hired the escort in the Makati area I figure this is a better place to put it.
Anyways was bored yesterday and I was looking through several escort sites which included agencies like manilacourtesans, naughtymanila, and independents from manila backpage. I'm always weary about backpage and other sites that host independents because I've heard horror stories about it, but anyways I was bored enough to try it yesterday. I decided to book an appointment with Lizzy.
http://manila.backpage.com/FemaleEscorts/elegance-is-my-name-romantic-and-wild-is-my-game/3986138
Well to be honest. A different person showed up. I mean I tried my best to be careful about backpage and scams, but really in the back of my head I half expected this would happen just because the pictures of the really good looking girls on backpage are too good to be true for the price. Anyways the girl that came was a different girl, but still somewhat resembled the girl in the link (I'm sure it wasn't her at all; it was just a different person) and I still let her in. It was quite late (she was late an hour) and she seemed nice, but really nothing like escorts from other well off countries like Thailand or Japan. She didn't offer much in the conversation department as expected, and even though I booked her for 2 hours she wanted to go straight to business and finished in about 30 minutes. The total damage was 6 k. It wasn't that the girl who came wasn't a good bang, and she looked decent as well and had a decent body, it's just that it was quite disappointing to a different girl from what you were expecting. Nonetheless if bait and switch doesn't bother you it's fine I guess? I didn't have the heart to turn her down either since she came all the way to my condo and I didn't want any drama. See was nice throughout the encounter anyhow.
All in all this experience, along with my other escort experience in the Philippines, has taught me several things:
1) Going with independent escorts in the Philippines will most definitely in most cases disappoint you.
2) Next time I try an escort again, it would be best to go through an agency, though I cannot tell how legit the pictures / girls are either because they seem to fall in the same price range.
3) For quality girls who do look like their pictures, you need to go through your pimp contacts, but the prices start around 20 k (though the girls are legit).
For me, I neither want to PM nor want to receive a PM, so choose not to get a subscription. I've traveled to the Phils and also was once a resident, so just enjoy reading some great reports, but also fantasies of others.As a subscribed member you can disable PMs quite easily. Click 'Settings' and next click 'General Settings'. Under the Private Messaging heading you'll see two radial buttons. Select 'Private Messaging off', save your settings, and you'll never be bothered.
WestCoast1
11-26-15, 16:42
As a subscribed member you can disable PMs quite easily. Click 'Settings' and next click 'General Settings'. Under the Private Messaging heading you'll see two radial buttons. Select 'Private Messaging off', save your settings, and you'll never be bothered.A thought. Recently someone posted that they didn't pay up a membership as the board has ads to make money. We'd like the ads gone. If everyone who could afford to travel for snatch paid the 20 clams, there would be no need for ads.
GoodEnough
11-27-15, 04:34
I decided on a whim, to stay at the Shang for the first time in about a year, since I wanted a change from my usual haunt at the Fairmont. I remember seeing a fairly recent report on the Sage Bar at the hotel and decided to check it out last night with some Filipino colleagues with whom I had scheduled a meeting.
First and foremost, it's a beautiful bar with a decent live band, excellent appetizers and the most extensive wine list I've seen in this country. For me, the wine list is more important than any of the bar's other characteristics, so I became an instant fan. Based on my single experience however, I can't recommend this place as a hunting ground, at least it certainly was not such on the night that I was there. I estimate that the place was about 75% full, and most of the patrons were well dressed couples who had pretty clearly not just hooked up by chance for the evening. I did see a couple of younger, well dressed women with slightly older guys at the bar, and they might have been high class hookers, but there was no way to tell. There were certainly no obvious hookers trolling for clients and I doubt seriously that the hotel would have tolerated such.
This is a beautiful, well appointed, and relaxing place to take your wife or a date. But it's expensive, somewhat exclusive and I don't think would be a likely magnet for free lancers, unless they're ultra chic and extremely discrete.
GE.
A thought. Recently someone posted that they didn't pay up a membership as the board has ads to make money. We'd like the ads gone. If everyone who could afford to travel for snatch paid the 20 clams, there would be no need for ads.Just add Adblock Plus and poof! No more adverts at all.
It makes no difference at all to your access or speed of download.
I think all businesses will take paying adverts if they are offering. I know I would if it was my business.
WestCoast1
11-27-15, 07:35
Just add Adblock Plus and poof! No more adverts at all.I use Adblock, but it only works in Firefox.
I use Adblock, but it only works in Firefox.Nope. Not correct WC.
You have to download the right version.
I use it for Chrome on one laptop, Firefox on a second laptop and also with an Android phone.
Check google for Adblock Plus. There are nine (9) different options to download
All free.
CallSign Papa
11-28-15, 11:45
Don't forget, I've been ridiculed for paying too much. If you're looking for a bargain, this may not be the place.Sage is a place where bargains can be had if you put the work in (buy a few drinks and don't expect to take from the top shelf). I was there recently and met a drop-dead stunner, who initially asked for 20 k and even after a few tequilas only went down to 15 k, obviously I was never tempted (total lie). Later a French guy did take her for 20 k, and I'm sure had a jolly good time.
WestCoast1
11-28-15, 15:00
Nope. Not correct WC.
You have to download the right version.
I use it for Chrome on one laptop, Firefox on a second laptop and also with an Android phone.
Check google for Adblock Plus. There are nine (9) different options to download
All free.Found it. Thanks!
Made a recent solo stopover in Makati for a couple of days. Stayed at Holiday Inn / Suites in Makati, which I must admit is very nice. Great staff. No hassles. The rooftop pool / bar is very relaxing and enjoyable.
Had a couple of chicas lined up, but on arrival got the feeling they were not going to come through. So cut the string right there and got on Badoo. Chatted with "M" who knew I was coming to Manila but we had not arranged anything. She wanted to chat on whatsapp so we switched over. I can't keep up with all the apps! So we have some chitchat. I ask her what she's doing, "nothing" she says (of course). She asks me what I'm doing, "I'm at the rooftop bar, it's really nice" I say (the bait is cast). "ohh" she says, "must be nice, I'd really like to see that". (set the hook) "I'd like to see you if you're not busy" says I. So I'm set. She's on her way. Takes a while but all good. I told her to message me when she is close and I'll meet her at the lobby outside. Get the message and I'm outside in front. Taxi pulls up and we both recognize each other right away. She steps out and I am very pleasantly surprised. Very lovely. Nicely dressed. A few extra pounds but not chubby. Body is toned and firm. Nice hips for a Filipina haha. Grab a bite to eat and go up to the rooftop bar. Hit it off very nicely. Conversation, wine for her, beer for me. After an hour she wants to go to the room. Score! We watch some tv, she goes to the shower. I figure ok, cool. She asks me to join her in the shower. I'm thinking wow. This doesn't happen for me very often with a Filipina but fucking great! So we shower and play a bit. When we're done she stays to dry her hair and I just hang out on the couch. She strolls out in her birthday suit. A beautiful sight to look at. Nice tits, nice hips, little tattoo very cute! Haha. She starts the exploration which was very nice. I'm used to initiating everything. Really good GFE sex. Mish, cowgirl, doggie. Nice and slow, very enjoyable for both of us. She stays the night and gives me a good morning blowjob. Always a great way to start the day. She didn't seem to be in a rush to leave and I wasn't going to kick her out, so we enjoyed the entire day together, went to a movie, out to dinner, and did it all over again the next night. I had to leave on an early flight the next day, so we both got up, went down and checked out together then had coffee, before saying 'bye' and getting in our separate taxis.
Great experience with a great girl. I'm headed back in mid-January and contemplating seeing her again. We'll see.
A couple of selfies she sent me.
Cheers,
JB.
WestCoast1
11-28-15, 17:27
Chatted with "M" who knew I was coming to Manila but we had not arranged anything. She wanted to chat on whatsapp so we switched over. SNIP She starts the exploration which was very nice. I'm used to initiating everything. Really good GFE sex. Mish, cowgirl, doggie. Nice and slow, very enjoyable for both of us. She stays the night and gives me a good morning blowjob. Always a great way to start the day. She didn't seem to be in a rush to leave and I wasn't going to kick her out, so we enjoyed the entire day together, went to a movie, out to dinner, and did it all over again the next night. I had to leave on an early flight the next day, so we both got up, went down and checked out together then had coffee, before saying 'bye' and getting in our separate taxis.
Great experience with a great girl. I'm headed back in mid-January and contemplating seeing her again. We'll see.Newbs take note of the level of description. No reason one cannot write a decent report on occasion of his experience. Hotel quality, restaurant report, chica details, unusual or difficult situation, etc.
Blanquiceleste
11-28-15, 18:30
Made a recent solo stopover in Makati for a couple of days.
Great experience with a great girl. I'm headed back in mid-January and contemplating seeing her again. We'll see.
An excellent report after a drought. Makes me look forward to my upcoming trip in 3 weeks. Honestly, over the last couple of weeks the threads on the Philippines forum have been filled with rants, arguments and non-mongering posts. One had to go back at least 3 pages to find a decent FR. But I hope this changes the tide and we see more high quality reports.
I for sure will be posting my experiences soon.
MrWoolyBooly
12-01-15, 03:14
Warning: Skip if looking for brief reports.
Some members out there will know exactly when this occurred from the one-night crackdown on SWs in Burgos around April or May last year. There must have been a corruption dispute over profits between somebody in the Burgos nightlife business and the Makati police that prompted a sweep checking at least all the SWs and arresting or scaring them off for the night. It may not have been the only such sweep in Burgos history, but it's the only one I ever saw, ever.
Mid-morning left GF in Manila after last official night of fun purportedly for the airport, but told the taxi to take me to the Berjaya Hotel on Makati Ave. I had lots of Agoda points about to expire, so splurged on the best (such as it was) room at the Berjaya and the largest (2-bedroom suite more like a dorm) at the Isabelle Royale. Paid cash for a dive room at Great Eastern. Plan was to try the alternating room / girl schedule until my flight the next day. Daytime was largely unsuccessful, mostly girls not available on short notice nearby. By mid-afternoon got nerdily intelligent but nerdily unattractive RTU nursing student J from Mandaluyong via DIA. Supersmart, superpoor, looking for sugar daddy to fund her education. Note to self: smart girls require more words before sex. And words should make sense. Eventually got her into Great Eastern still in nursing uniform on the bed, panties down, and putting head under the skirt toward the puki (garage for penis). Looked it over enjoying the freshness, undressed her the rest of the way and started mish. Figured it was her turn to work, rolled her on top and this nerd-girl was the #1 tightest puki cowgirl I've ever had, yeehah! I didn't last long since had gone half a day without sex already.
Figured she'd make a great backup plan, so offered her to stay in the Isabelle Royale suite. She asked to invite her friend to stay with her while I was "working". Sure! Her friend was a less unattractive almost-cute girl but forgot the name and never did her. We got takeout pizza at the AVenue mini-mall and I parked them in the Isabelle Royale. I never ended up going back to her that night. Checked out of the room the next morning after they had left.
Ms Account
12-02-15, 02:28
Ivory was raided 3 nights ago and is now shut down. Star dust was raided in early November with mamasans currently in jail. Is this the start of a bad period for burgos or standard practice? Both raids related to minors.
Member #4387
12-02-15, 03:08
Ivory was raided 3 nights ago and is now shut down. Star dust was raided in early November with mamasans currently in jail. Is this the start of a bad period for burgos or standard practice? Both raids related to minors.Out from a general perspective, and me having no clue what Burgous is about whatsoever, its known to man that these raides occures every now and then. I guess x mas season is coming so the chief of the Burgous police probably only wants to cash in some nice bonuses and in a while everything is back to normal (for you guys enjoying this kind of places that is):-)
MrWoolyBooly
12-02-15, 03:52
Late afternoon I'm in my Berjaya Hotel suite still trying to get non-pro puki-to-the door online. Getting unavailable, flaking out, can't visit until late or tomorrow after my flight leaves. Exhausted from no sleep with GF last night, and slowly recharging from the RTU cowgirl nurse. As the batteries recharge, frustration with no online success mounts. No disaster, since I got the rooms near Burgos as backup. Exhausted by early evening 8-ish I decide to make one lap around the Kalayaan-Burgos-Makati triangle before just getting something to eat and sleeping if nothing catches my eye. Sitting at a sidewalk table at the cafe (forgot the name) under the Royal Bellagio Hotel were very pretty light-skinned tall and thin Rochelle and the pretty dark-skinned average height see. I knew I was too sleepy groggy to stay alert enough for safety during a threesome, so had to pick one. See had bigger boobs, or at least they seemed bigger on her shorter frame, and I prefer darker skin. See and I said bye and went to the Berjaya, leaving Rochelle alone at the cafe table.
I'm usually not into massages, but when see offered a massage first I figured why not. Whatever sleep I would eventually get needed to be deep to recover from zero sleep in 30+ hours. As it turns out see had "worked" (whatever that means) in Pampanga before relocating to Makati. Her massage was simply the most relaxing ever, strong but without bone-breaking. I'm drifting in and out of sleep (dangerous with a stranger). Eventually she turns me on my back and starts waking up junior. Her lovely figure with perfect be sized boobs, natural black hair from a shampoo commercial, pretty face, and trim body were a perfect vision for my last night in the Philippines. Excellent BJ with all the gradual start, eye contact, saliva lubrication and manual manipulation you could ask for. Junior woke up, started with some mish, roll on my back, and she rides me to the top of the mountain. I give her whatever I thought was right, I forget the amount but probably around 1. 5 k. She was pleased, we parted on friendly terms, the lobby guy rang my room to make sure all was ok, and I fell into blissful sleep.
I found out a bit more about see later from Rochelle. Turns out her BF was a Viagra / Cialis huckster on Burgos. Supposedly see tells him she only gives massages to the guys she meets. Whatever. Are these girls intentionally deceitful or willfully deceiving themselves? I defer to Mr Coast's conclusions.
CallSign Papa
12-03-15, 08:27
I don't know about other parts of Phil, but I know this, in Manila if you want to give yourself the best opportunities to bag pretty young things, you really do have to plan it. I used a triple layer or redundancy for my "free slots" in Makati (Rockwell).
I have three lists of girls ready to meet, known better as:
The A listers. Really hot girls, usually model types, who'll expect dinner or lunch but will more likely than not put out. High flake-factor.
The curious cuties. Usually pretty students aged from 19-23 who say they've never met a westerner (I play along), but have a naughty side they'd like to indulge. Sometimes require transport or small-time sponsoring.
The sure things. A mix of nymphs and working girls who can be at my door in an hour and are suitably open minded.
This means that if the girl I want to meet starts to flake I have a 2nd or 3rd girl who is on call and can step in. Despite this seeming like overkill, I sometimes still have days where the unreliable pinay mindset wins and I miss out on an afternoon of fun. This doesn't happen often, but it happens.
This trip started out like that, but has gotten better thankfully. Have met a couple of absolute gems this week, students who have at first been all prim and proper and wouldn't even entertain the thought of entering my Rockwell condo, but over a coffee or lunch have revealed themselves to be flirty and adventurous. 2 of the 3 gave up their ass virginity without so much as a second thought.
As I've mentioned in previous posts, I'm a big fan of Power Plant Mall, and it's been my base of operations for a few trips now. Whether it's a coffee shop, a Gastropub or Barzino, there's always somewhere serving good food and drink to meet someone for their "interview" before heading somewhere more private. And this week two girls have failed that interview (one was teeth related, one used fake photos).
I've been active on Tinder and OK Cupid, both are excellent sources of new prospects. Tinder takes a while to warm up, but OKC is a veritable goldmine, and is surprisingly free of girls using fake photos or asking for cash up front. I'll post a few photos of the girls I've found from there in the Photo Gallery.
Was at Chaos on Saturday night and it was just dripping with hot girls. Despite it being a ball-ache to get to (via EDSA), it's the place to go if you want to hookup. I went alone, stood at the bar, and before long had a decision to make over taking the hot girl in the red dress or the hot girl in the black dress (neither were P4 P). I'm an average looking guy, dressed semi-casually, so if I can pull there, I'm betting most of you can. The girl I actually ended up taking, Audrey, left on Sunday night and only because she had work Monday morning. She just didn't seem happy unless she had my dick in her hand or mouth, whether we were on the couch watching movies, or in bed watching movies. She's on my "keeper" list.
Oh and in case you think I can do no wrong here, last night I took a girl to dinner at Hole in the Wall at Century City Mall, and whilst I thought we had a seemingly pleasant evening, she blocked me on FB and Viber immediately after. Ouch.
There was some Russian model party at Gramercy 71 on Friday night, just a ridiculous amount of tall, slim, outrageously hot girls hanging around. I chatted to one briefly and when she suggested I supply a bottle of champagne for her and her friend I knew she just saw me as her next walking wallet. When my counter offer of a bottle of rum was rejected, I made my excuses and high-tailed it.
Had a few issues with Uber, got massively overcharged on two trips, one was about a 2 km ride and cost over 1000 PHP, which even at X3. 2 surge pricing was way out. Thankfully Uber quickly resolved and refunded on both.
So far, the weather is great, the beer is cheap, the food is good and the girls are the same unpredictable mixture of awesome, infuriating and outright crazy.
FreebieFan
12-03-15, 08:39
Ivory was raided 3 nights ago and is now shut down. Star dust was raided in early November with mamasans currently in jail. Is this the start of a bad period for burgos or standard practice? Both raids related to minors.These raids have ben discussed in greater detail on some of the other boards, the one for addicts fo the Philippines and the ones for Phillipines at night (sic). Basically when way younger, the elder Binay was looking for contribution funding and hit upon the idea of exchanging freedom from police in exchange for said funding. He was duly elected, Burgos became a great place to launder money (you didn't think these large half empty bars actually made money did you?) and all was well till the younger Binay got himself thrown out of the mayors office. The cops saw their chance to start chasing 20 year of money, plus they also saw the amounts of money in the Angeles raids and so its started in Burgos. Binays cash flow from Burgos must be reduced a bit these days.
Member #4387
12-03-15, 10:00
As Call sign papa me too have it somewhat preplanned and while I for like 4 years ago did a lot of trying and failing I've become better in hitting up the right prospects. While I don't devide girls in to category a,be, see as I think I hit pretty beautiful girls I do all my pre planning scrap book wice with time for date, age and phonenumbers. Today I sample, and I've become rather good at it, girls who I would be more than 90 to 95% sure of would actually show up. Before my trip and the the same day I go into a more in detail communication with girls on my scrap book list and tell them how important time is to me, how they have to travel early etc etc. To make sure, if a date failes to show up, I have also a substitutelist of girls living realy close (twin towers, 7 min walk from my hotel, some live in a condo by the Legaspy str 15 min walks (her japaneese punter pays, one in a condo very close to New World at Greenbelt, 10-15 min walk). On some trips these substitutes are put on the real list as they are hotties too.
Since I from time to time get a few BM's here been doing the same girls. From all my encounters 4 girls have been recognized as in other BM's did them or someone snitched on them. No wonder I like the first category best and while hunting in the same pale of girls this will occure from time to time. The snitching hasnt aplied for a very long time now and that's good.
Where me and Call Sign Papa devides is that he meets most of his them girl outside (at least this is how I understand him). I only accept dates of which will come directly to my place. Some would ofcourse object as first but I am a pretty good into getting them to my place anyway. I normaly use this excuse (or simulare ones):
"sweetie I understand your sceptism is meeting a guy at his place and I respect that but think of what's the difference meeting me in a restaurant or at the mall all the time where we meet is outside my hotel or the outside of Glorietta 4 entrance. Things doesn't get more public than this, do you agree? This to cover for both our safety and ofcourse if you don't like me or I don't like you (that will not happen, hehe (insert big cheezy grid), we can easily call it a day. But I am sure you will like as my mother allways tells me I am such a nice guy (new cheezy etc etc). Then we go have a small inhouse room party and if you hungry we call in some roomservice to cope with that issue, hehe etc etc". Mostly this will do the trick.
And ofcourse through rather many encounters during my stays I meet someone realy good ones beeing promoted to overnight prospects with maybe some old ones replaced. When I feel in the mood I go all by myself to hit up a normal high end nightclub to see if I still have game (a VIP table and some btl of booze takes mostly care of that, hehe).
I get a few question also on how I manage to put in highnumbers of girls everyday. First of all I would explain it by beeing born (or sth) with a rather high libidofactor from nature. I habe from younger years allways managed to cum 6-7 times a day (ofcourse shooting mostly blanco after 3 or 4 cum), beeing a tad older now I felt this has become more difficult to achieve so I start putting down some zinka and by doing so a few months (if its a placebo or a real effect I don't care) I cum like a young guy again and even can cum all white after a 5-6 ejacs. It was a tip from my inhouse doc (he gives me tip not open for most of the public but as he is quite a mongerer himself in other patrs of the world he has some tricks up his sleeves). After a few days my engine is running low on batts and then it is time to go for the Kamagra gel (1 pk a day). I do bb most of the girls and so far haven't caught anything. Once again my inhouse doc uses the following trick as he also is quite a bb goer: "After session allways manage to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) hard (its suppose to rinse your tube from some nasty bacterias before they manage to grab a hold of something)" And ofcourse it is individual how easy one person get infected. My inhouse doc says either I am extremely lucky or I have a body extremely good at getting rid of unwanted stuffs. Selfmedication I've only done once after getting a good hint the girl was infected by some claps (don't recommend it though as one shouldn't use antibiothics out of the blue).
Hello Papa, I enjoyed reading about your plan. Your last sentence sums up Manila quite nicely. Where is this mall you are talking about? I will be going back to PI in March. I usually spend more time in Cebu, AC, sometimes Dumaguete, and now Subic but there is still a lot of fun to be had in MNL
So far, the weather is great, the beer is cheap, the food is good and the girls are the same unpredictable mixture of awesome, infuriating and outright crazy..
Wicked Roger
12-03-15, 16:28
I do bb most of the girls and so far haven't caught anything. Once again my inhouse doc uses the following trick as he also is quite a bb goer: "After session allways manage ??? hard (its suppose to rinse your tube from some nasty bacterias before they manage to grab a hold of something)" And ofcourse it is individual how easy one person get infected. My inhouse doc says either I am extremely lucky or I have a body extremely good at getting rid of unwanted stuffs. Selfmedication I've only done once after getting a good hint the girl was infected by some claps (don't recommend it though as one shouldn't use antibiothics out of the blue).Skoggy,
What word did you use? As the word '[CodeWord111] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord111)' can't be banned? As that is what you should do. My in house nurse said this. My other doc (GP) once said "be careful in Asia as those crabs have claws and don't let go" LOL.
Another friend claims he has never caught a STD as he drinks lots of Chivas and whiskey every day and that kills any nasty tadpoles floating around.
I don't know about other parts of Phil, but I know this, in Manila if you want to give yourself the best opportunities to bag pretty young things, you really do have to plan it. I used a triple layer or redundancy for my "free slots" in Makati (Rockwell).
I have three lists of girls ready to meet, known better as:
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The A listers. Really hot girls, usually model types, who'll expect dinner or lunch but will more likely than not put out. High flake-factor.
So far, the weather is great, the beer is cheap, the food is good and the girls are the same unpredictable mixture of awesome, infuriating and outright crazy.Nicely written plan in progress. I hope I don't pick your brain a little. I just booked my first trip into Manila, and am in the process of reading the forum and researching.
Why Power Plant Mall, as opposed to Greenbelt or Mall of Asia?
Why Chaos? How did you find out about it, and what have you compared it to? Isn't Chaos in Pasay? If you are staying in Makati, then you went through a lot of trouble to get there.
Where are you staying? Still trying to pick a hotel. I have been told by some of my PI friends that it takes almost 2 hours to get to the airport by taxi to Makati. They swear it. They recommended that I stay in Pasay City.
If I do stay in Pasay, then I guess my main haunts are going to be EDSA and Mall of Asia?
The other reason that I like Pasay is that there is that intersection of the two metro lines. I want to stay near that so that I am not committed to taxis.
Thanks!
Member #4698
12-03-15, 20:12
Was at Chaos on Saturday night and it was just dripping with hot girls. Despite it being a ball-ache to get to (via EDSA), it's the place to go if you want to hookup. I went alone, stood at the bar, and before long had a decision to make over taking the hot girl in the red dress or the hot girl in the black dress (neither were P4 P). I'm an average looking guy, dressed semi-casually, so if I can pull there, I'm betting most of you can. The girl I actually ended up taking, Audrey, left on Sunday night and only because she had work Monday morning. She just didn't seem happy unless she had my dick in her hand or mouth, whether we were on the couch watching movies, or in bed watching movies. She's on my "keeper" list.
That's interesting. I went to the Hyatt City of Dreams on a Friday night in October to check things out. I brought my favorite Bottoms girl along for company. Ha Ha. It was just a scouting mission. Anyway, we went to Pangaea first. It was around 11:30 pm. The place was more than half empty. There were no single or duo sets of girls. Rather there were several large groups of friends gathered separately in the VIP seating areas. I saw two different groups of girls, each group consisting of 6 or 7 friends. That IMHO is a very tough crowd to break into, 6 or 7 amateur girls siting, drinking, and dancing together, and I was very glad I was with my little P4 P honey that night.
Soon we got bored at Pangaea and I wanted to check out Chaos next door, but there was some DJ special show scheduled that night and a line of well dressed, Philippine couples mostly, although there were a few sets of very well dressed girls, two or three per set, lined up at the front door waiting to go in. I asked the host what was going on and he informed me about some "famous" DJ's from Germany that were performing this night. I guess that was supposed to impress me, but I never heard of them before and didn't care. Anyway, because of the "international" entertainment, the entrance fee that night was quite high, 1000 p per person regardless of sex just to get inside, no drinks included. Pangea charged me a 500 p cover, but that included a Tequila or one of the other listed drinks on their menu. My girl was a no charge in Pangea, although I bought her a Tequila as well. Based on the couples I saw lined up to go into Chaos, I was very reluctant to pay the entrance fee and when I realized that my girl was having a similar reaction, we happily passed on it and went back to my hotel.
So my take on these two City of Dreams bars is that they are not very good pick up joints, but I will defer to you on this CallSign. This is more your area of expertise and cup of tea than mine. I am much more familiar and happy with P4 P. I thought the City of Dreams bars would have FL's. Maybe it was just a bad night when I went there, or maybe I should have gone solo, or maybe I am just spoiled by truly great international hotel FL pickup bars like CJ's at the Mulia in Jakarta. Now that joint has GIRLS! Hundreds of them, pros and amateurs alike, every night.
GoodEnough
12-04-15, 01:50
Why Power Plant Mall, as opposed to Greenbelt or Mall of Asia?
Where are you staying? Still trying to pick a hotel. I have been told by some of my PI friends that it takes almost 2 hours to get to the airport by taxi to Makati. They swear it. They recommended that I stay in Pasay City.
The other reason that I like Pasay is that there is that intersection of the two metro lines. I want to stay near that so that I am not committed to taxis.
Thanks!I have no idea what time of day you're friends are talking about. The trip from Terminal 3 to the Greenbelt area of Malati has never taken me more than 30 minutes via the Skyway. It's true that the journey from Terminal 2 is significantly longer, but it's never taken me more than 50 minutes, and I go to and from Manila 2-3 times a month.
You, Au want to reconsider taking the Metro, which is old, poorly maintained and poorly managed. During peak periods the wait just to purchase a ticket and board a train can take more than an hour. The lines are also not very safe. Mass transit throughout the country is mired in the Stone Age.
GE.
I have no idea what time of day you're friends are talking about. The trip from Terminal 3 to the Greenbelt area of Malati has never taken me more than 30 minutes via the Skyway. It's true that the journey from Terminal 2 is significantly longer, but it's never taken me more than 50 minutes, and I go to and from Manila 2-3 times a month.
You, Au want to reconsider taking the Metro, which is old, poorly maintained and poorly managed. During peak periods the wait just to purchase a ticket and board a train can take more than an hour. The lines are also not very safe. Mass transit throughout the country is mired in the Stone Age.
GE.So people don't use the metro? Is it worse than Bangkok's metro? In Bangkok it can get jam packed, but there is some AC inside and it seems to be generally reliable. How about the PNR train that runs along the skyline. Do people use that?
I was looking to stay at either Courtyard 88 or the Heritage Hotel, which are right next to EDSA. I was hoping to just walk a little east, then take the blue line metro into Makati. Is that not reasonable? If I taxi it, how long will it take?
If I were to stay in Makati, where is the best area to stay? I am speaking about transport to the airport, not about girlfriendliness (though that's important too.)
MrWoolyBooly
12-04-15, 03:23
You, Au want to reconsider taking the Metro, which is old, poorly maintained and poorly managed. During peak periods the wait just to purchase a ticket and board a train can take more than an hour.
GE.Sound advice unless your an old hand at Manila's urban frustration and accept what you're getting into. Metro is to be avoided. On EDSA the airconditioned buses are best if you can figure out the end points for direction. On Taft FX vans or even jeepney (in decent weather) is better than Metro. I'd only take taxis if you're alone and inexperienced in Manila until you feel comfortable.
If I do stay in Pasay, then I guess my main haunts are going to be EDSA and Mall of Asia?
Thanks!Yep, although the many KTVs, bars, Robinson Ermita mall and Harrison Plaza mall are not far by Metro Manila standards. MOA is best meeting point for non-pros coming from Cavite, Las Pinas, Paranaque.
So people don't use the metro? How about the PNR train that runs along the skyline. Do people use that?
I was looking to stay at either Courtyard 88 or the Heritage Hotel, which are right next to EDSA. I was hoping to just walk a little east, then take the blue line metro into Makati. Is that not reasonable?
If I were to stay in Makati, where is the best area to stay? I am speaking about transport to the airport, not about girlfriendliness (though that's important too.)Uncountable masses use the metro that has a capacity of much less. I've never braved the PNR, but often stay near it. Can't recommend without a couple local companions until you get to know it. No security at all compared to the metro. If you want to take public transport, I'd recommend in order depending on what's going your way: Big air-condition buses plying EDSA, FX vans (white with blue / yellow signage), and jeepney all before the metro or PNR if you're a solo westerner.
I recently stayed at the Courtyard 88 where I met two of the ubiquitous Norwegian guys. It's new and clean and safe. Everything works fine, and I can recommend for a decent small room to have fun in. I stayed at the Heritage last year. The rooms are quite spacious for the money, but it shows its age. I don't find it at all as bad as many others have and would recommend if it meets your location and budget needs.
In Makati any hotel on the triangle of Burgos St, Makati Ave, and Kalayaan that meets your budget works for a fun vacation.
MrWoolyBooly
12-04-15, 04:19
Before finding Rochelle and dusky C on my Burgos walkaround, I bumped into "Angel" (her working name, the fattest girl in the flower dress of my recent PG pics). When I first met her circa 2008 she was around 20 years old single mom, short even by Pinay standards, supercute face, and had great curvy boobage and buttage. A great time was had, ancient history. Today, she's got the shape of a small bowling ball on top of a large one. I'm certain some of you have seen her walking mostly up and down Makati Ave on the stretch between the entrance and exit of Burgos St. Since first meeting her, we've never boinked again but always remained friendly. Meeting her randomly almost every time in the neighborhood, I've always given her a couple hundred pesos for something to eat and safe transportation back home to Cavite, as well as offering her to get some sleep in my room if she doesn't find the guy of her dreams. She has very kindly also hooked me up at times with hotties from the Burgos area or her hometown. An friendly, occasional pimpette more or less, with a sweet disposition.
Back in my hotel room after the awesome massage sex and fell asleep immediately after way too long awake, around 11 pm. Phone is ringing, not just text, around 11:40 pm. Wake up groggy. It's Angel saying something about police and can she stay in my room. Huh? My brain eventually understands that the Makati police are arresting some of the SWs. According to Angel lots of them, but who knows whether exaggerated. I know her well so no issues, go downstairs to the Berjaya lobby. Angel is there with girl I never met Melody (chubby girl with orange dress in my pics), saying "My friend also needs to hide. " I make it clear there is simply no physical way I can perform if they're looking for fun, and I diplomatically made it clear I was not going to give them money. I had had sex at least 5 times in 24 hours with three different girls and not enough sleep. No problem, they just need a place to stay. In my unnecessarily large suite with a lounge pullout bed and two queens in the bedroom space was no problem. They get up to the room, I lie down on a bed, they cuddle with me one on each side. Angel, the angel that she is, starts caressing my chest with her hand to get Melody to start up. Shorts go off, Melody's head goes down (and up, and down), left arm around Angel while right hand releases Melody's boobs from their cloth prison and fondles. Melody takes occasional breaks to take of my shirt, kiss my chest, then return to completely unrushed BJ.
This quiet, blissful moment is interrupted by my phone ringing (not just text) again. Interrupting a BJ! Angel brings me my phone so Melody can continue, it's Rochelle who had got my number at the cafe earlier. "Can I stay in your room?" "Can I bring my friend?" We talk without interrupting Melody's important work. I'm too tired to go down to the lobby, but she's insistent and maybe a bit desparate. Lobby guy calls, "Sir, you have two visitors Rochelle and (forgot the other's name)". "Send them up, please," I reply. In they come. Rochelle as hot as in Mr Skogis's pics. The other one was Uglyface, but somehow in the pics she looks cute. They're all four of them just so grateful for a refuge. Melody returns to sucking, then Rochelle tags in, then as I'm twisting to suck on Melody's boobs, I'm getting a surprise BJ from Angel on my left. Never wanted or asked or expected, she's just sucking with lovely eye contact and somehow smiling around my schlong. I have Uglyface get a nice warm towel while enjoying the attention, then while I'm distracted by so many boobs she tries to suck me, too. Admirable intentions, but stick to towel girl, sweetheart. Eventually, miraculously for an unmedicated non-Viking, Junior is standing proud and Melody wins the prize. It's after 12:30 am by now. The ladies decide somehow that it's now safe to leave. Rochelle makes it clear she's staying with me overnight, nice! I get whatever small cash I have and give to Angel, Melody, and Uglyface. Probably 500-1000 pesos each. More than market rates for what they did, but it felt right.
Rochelle from that point was in a class of her own. Her hot body, pretty face, stamina, and eagerness to do whatever makes me happy (basic stuff, but the eagerness makes the difference) were perfect. Round one, long luxurious mish until finish. Dozed off, woke up whenever who knows when, sucked boobs then she blew me and rode me for what seemed like an hour to the top of the volcano. Eventually woke up in the morning with her snoozing in my left arm. No way could Junior wake up without help, but while she slept I tried to wake Junior up myself. She woke up slowly like a beautiful sunrise, started kissing my chest, and as soon as Junior reached full size she vacuum lipped him until taking my last explosion before leaving the Philippines in her mouth. The last two rounds I was just a lazy male on my back the entire time. We actually had conversations during the long, slow first round, and after the last round. She said her first time was age 18 at the Eurotel across from SM North EDSA with an older Pinoy BF. I think she was around 20 when we met. No kids. No mention of Mr Skogis from just a couple months earlier, but I tell myself it's because she liked me more haha Fred, bror! (Peace, bro!
Moral of the story: If anybody knows the timing of the next sweep in Burgos, name your price.
Sound advice unless your an old hand at Manila's urban frustration and accept what you're getting into. Metro is to be avoided. On EDSA the airconditioned buses are best if you can figure out the end points for direction. On Taft FX vans or even jeepney (in decent weather) is better than Metro. I'd only take taxis if you're alone and inexperienced in Manila until you feel comfortable.
Yep, although the many KTVs, bars, Robinson Ermita mall and Harrison Plaza mall are not far by Metro Manila standards. MOA is best meeting point for non-pros coming from Cavite, Las Pinas, Paranaque.
Uncountable masses use the metro that has a capacity of much less. I've never braved the PNR, but often stay near it. Can't recommend without a couple local companions until you get to know it. No security at all compared to the metro. If you want to take public transport, I'd recommend in order depending on what's going your way: Big air-condition buses plying EDSA, FX vans (white with blue / yellow signage), and jeepney all before the metro or PNR if you're a solo westerner.
I recently stayed at the Courtyard 88 where I met two of the ubiquitous Norwegian guys. It's new and clean and safe. Everything works fine, and I can recommend for a decent small room to have fun in. I stayed at the Heritage last year. The rooms are quite spacious for the money, but it shows its age. I don't find it at all as bad as many others have and would recommend if it meets your location and budget needs.
In Makati any hotel on the triangle of Burgos St, Makati Ave, and Kalayaan that meets your budget works for a fun vacation.Thanks for the detailed tips!
Member #4387
12-04-15, 06:48
On my last trip this small mishap occured. Did as usual having a cute spinner over for a brief play and I put out my toolbox. Tried the buttplug and she told me "no no, no arsh". Ok I told her. Due to the lubed buttplug (overlubed I might say) her twat and "arsh" was ofcourse by now both lubed up. I was entering her doggywice and as a perfect newbee I plugged my member into her pushing away. Feeling maybe she screamed a bit different than what I am used to and not in the "I love this fashion". After a few minutes of pounding I felt the odd smell of poo. I looked down and retrackted my memeber just to discover it was looking at a mix of lube and poo. I obviously did put it in her ass by mistake. And it was a mistake realy. The blame was all on me and I excused my self the best I could. Went to the headoffice (bathroom), rinsed and did the correct hole. Compensated her enough so she would forget about the mistake. She was a very shy pinay so I felt bad about this, realy did.
Nicely written plan in progress. I hope I don't pick your brain a little. I just booked my first trip into Manila, and am in the process of reading the forum and researching.
Why Power Plant Mall, as opposed to Greenbelt or Mall of Asia?
Why Chaos? How did you find out about it, and what have you compared it to? Isn't Chaos in Pasay? If you are staying in Makati, then you went through a lot of trouble to get there.
Where are you staying? Still trying to pick a hotel. I have been told by some of my PI friends that it takes almost 2 hours to get to the airport by taxi to Makati. They swear it. They recommended that I stay in Pasay City.
If I do stay in Pasay, then I guess my main haunts are going to be EDSA and Mall of Asia?
The other reason that I like Pasay is that there is that intersection of the two metro lines. I want to stay near that so that I am not committed to taxis.
Thanks!I suggest you use UBer. Cheap, safe, and fairly reliable. I wouldn't even consider the Metro as Uber is cheap.
PC out.
CallSign Papa
12-04-15, 12:11
Why Power Plant Mall, as opposed to Greenbelt or Mall of Asia?Good question, Power Plant mall is right in the middle of Rockwell, so you're staying in a condo (instead of a hotel), it's literally across the road. Whilst Power Plant is certainly a lot smaller than the other two malls you mention, it has everything one might need in terms of shops, and it's usually quite busy if you're scouting for girls too. It also has a cinema if you get bored. I prefer Greenbelt if I actually need to do any shopping, but general mooching about or meeting girls, Power Plant works better for me.
Why Chaos? How did you find out about it, and what have you compared it to? Isn't Chaos in Pasay? If you are staying in Makati, then you went through a lot of trouble to get there.
Chaos is a relatively big club and on a Friday / Saturday night full. As Natty Bumpo correctly mentioned, there was a special DJ set last Friday and I got in for free through a girl I briefly dated who is now a host at Pangaea (but I would've paid the entrance fee, because generally I have a great time there). Inside there were a number of big groups of girls in my vicinity, all dressed up and (relatively quickly) tanked up, which had generally been my experience with the place. There are a number of good places to stand whereby you get a constant parade of people wondering by (either to the right of the stage near the bar, or at the bar at the back of the venue). From 2 am it gets seriously messy there and that's generally my time to pounce.
But why Chaos? Well Pangaea is a much more intimate club and if you're alone the only place to stand is at the bar so you're fairly conspicuous. And yes, City of Dreams is a bit of a trek, but at 11 pm no more than 25 minutes in a taxi from Makati and probably quicker coming home at 3/4 am.
From the other options:
Valkyrie is a younger crowd, not many girls over 25, and whilst it's a really fun place, if you're around the 40 age range you can start to feel old quick.
Prive is much smaller but very cool though seemingly less busy since the new owners took over, I always have to pay 1000 p to get in, but the quality of talent there never disappoints.
Gramercy 71 is just not a good place if you're solo, people tend to stick to their table areas which makes it difficult to target isolate a target (and it's quite bright). The terrace bar area is cool for a drink and a good look at the skyline.
Revel is basically a slightly smaller version of Valkyrie, but exactly the same crowd.
As I've mentioned before, if you're on your own, the key is to be confident, smiley, friendly and patient. Even if you feel things aren't going your way at 1 am, it can all change quick as girls starting hitting the Bacardi hard.
Where are you staying? Still trying to pick a hotel. I have been told by some of my PI friends that it takes almost 2 hours to get to the airport by taxi to Makati. They swear it.No disrespect to your friends but that's utter horseshit. NAIA T3 to Makati has never taken longer than 30 minutes even at 8 pm at night. You're basically on the Skyway for 10 minutes, then 10 minutes through EDSA (which admittedly gets a big snarly sometimes) and then you're in Makati.
I personally don't stay in hotels anymore, I just find the benefits of a rented condo far outweigh even 5* hotels. For a start you can normally snag a high quality 1 Bedroom condo for less than $100. This means that you have way more space than a standard hotel room, way more privacy and better security (less intrusive but nonetheless on the ball). And you can fill your fridge with whatever goodies you or your lass may desire without resorting to room service constantly.
I prefer Rockwell to Makati proper because it's quieter, safer and it's literally 5 minutes in a cab to P Burgos / Poblacion, or 15 minutes to the Fort. AirBNB serves all my needs in this respect.
The other reason that I like Pasay is that there is that intersection of the two metro lines. I want to stay near that so that I am not committed to taxis.Uber is cheap, easy to use and mostly hassle free, as long as you're not going anywhere around 6 pm in the evening.
Enjoy your trip.
Good question, Power Plant mall is right in the middle of Rockwell, so you're staying in a condo (instead of a hotel), it's literally across the road. Whilst Power Plant is certainly a lot smaller than the other two malls you mention, it has everything one might need in terms of shops, and it's usually quite busy if you're scouting for girls too. It also has a cinema if you get bored. I prefer Greenbelt if I actually need to do any shopping, but general mooching about or meeting girls, Power Plant works better for me.
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Uber is cheap, easy to use and mostly hassle free, as long as you're not going anywhere around 6 pm in the evening.
Enjoy your trip.Thanks for the detailed response!
So you like to hit the regular clubs, and pick up the boozed up ones at the end of the evening? Good strategy! Though I suspect you may have your share of girls throwing up in your shower.
Aahh. Uber! I have only used it a few times. Been annoyed by the GPS system, which is inaccurate, and have found myself running around, worrying that the cab driver won't find me because the GPS is inaccurate.
Is Uber that much better than cabs? I assume that the scam rate being lower is the main attraction. I just prefer to use cash.
So people don't use the metro? Is it worse than Bangkok's metro? In Bangkok it can get jam packed, but there is some AC inside and it seems to be generally reliable. How about the PNR train that runs along the skyline. Do people use that?
I use the LRT line 1 and the MRT during the daytime. I avoid during rush hour, but I do that for any mode of transport. In my experience of crowded carriages the LRT / MRT is more jammed than Bangkok's skytrain. Bangkok's system is more modern, better maintained, and surely more reliable. For the PNR it doesn't really go where most foreign visitors are apt to visit. Being the cheapest mode of transport the PNR is for the poorest of the working poor. The trains run every half hour which is not very convenient. I've taken it from Makati's Buendia station to Alabang (p15) and to Espana (p10). If you're staying at a hotel or condo near a station there may be merit to use it - the Cityland 8 condos are beside Buendia station, and you may find units for rent on AirBnb.
Member #4698
12-04-15, 15:16
Chaos is a relatively big club and on a Friday / Saturday night full.... Inside there were a number of big groups of girls in my vicinity, all dressed up and (relatively quickly) tanked up, which had generally been my experience with the place. There are a number of good places to stand whereby you get a constant parade of people wondering by (either to the right of the stage near the bar, or at the bar at the back of the venue). From 2 am it gets seriously messy there and that's generally my time to pounce.
But why Chaos? Well Pangaea is a much more intimate club and if you're alone the only place to stand is at the bar so you're fairly conspicuous. Duly noted CallSign. I was there too early. I think I will give Chaos another try, but next time I will head there around 12:30 am and go solo sans bar girl.
MrWoolyBooly
12-04-15, 15:18
Chaos is a relatively big club and on a Friday / Saturday night full. As Natty Bumpo correctly mentioned, there was a special DJ set last Friday and I got in for free through a girl I briefly dated who is now a host at Pangaea (but I would've paid the entrance fee, because generally I have a great time there). Inside there were a number of big groups of girls in my vicinity, all dressed up and (relatively quickly) tanked up, which had generally been my experience with the place. There are a number of good places to stand whereby you get a constant parade of people wondering by (either to the right of the stage near the bar, or at the bar at the back of the venue). From 2 am it gets seriously messy there and that's generally my time to pounce.
But why Chaos? Well Pangaea is a much more intimate club and if you're alone the only place to stand is at the bar so you're fairly conspicuous. And yes, City of Dreams is a bit of a trek, but at 11 pm no more than 25 minutes in a taxi from Makati and probably quicker coming home at 3/4 am.
From the other options:
Valkyrie is a younger crowd, not many girls over 25, and whilst it's a really fun place, if you're around the 40 age range you can start to feel old quick.
Prive is much smaller but very cool though seemingly less busy since the new owners took over, I always have to pay 1000 p to get in, but the quality of talent there never disappoints.
Gramercy 71 is just not a good place if you're solo, people tend to stick to their table areas which makes it difficult to target isolate a target (and it's quite bright). The terrace bar area is cool for a drink and a good look at the skyline.
Revel is basically a slightly smaller version of Valkyrie, but exactly the same crowd.
Best reference summary of Makati accessible clubs yet, many thanks.
CallSign Papa
12-04-15, 15:20
Thanks for the detailed response!
So you like to hit the regular clubs, and pick up the boozed up ones at the end of the evening? Good strategy! Though I suspect you may have your share of girls throwing up in your shower.
Ha, that's a good point, but no, there's not much point picking up a girl who's wrecked, unless you're into that Bill Cosby kind of thing, I prefer them to be a bit more active.
Cool Traveler
12-04-15, 18:24
Wicked Roger,
Keeping clean is one of the best way to prevent a lot of heebie jeebies. If you have done your did, go to the bathroom, and wash your ding dong off. The one time I caught something, and I was glad it was something minor, it was because I fell asleep. Now I make it a point to wash, just lean over the sink, and wash.
Wicked Roger,
Keeping clean is one of the best way to prevent a lot of heebie jeebies. If you have done your did, go to the bathroom, and wash your ding dong off. The one time I caught something, and I was glad it was something minor, it was because I fell asleep. Now I make it a point to wash, just lean over the sink, and wash.Do you really think that is an effective way to prevent STD's? At first I thought you were joking but after reading it a second time I think you actually believe it, wow! I would recommend using a search engine to find a few articles on the subject.
Hi Guys, I just got back from my Spring 2015 Trip 10 days ago. It was fucking amazing. I met so many great gals everywhere I went and had a blast. Now, for my first post since returning home, I want to talk about why I like Makati and Burgos Street. I believe it is a worthy subject. I will try to post my trip report at a later date. It will be a daunting task to write it up as I was travelling for 7 weeks and visited Jakarta, BKK, Phnom Penh, Macau, Makati and Palawan.
AC bar girls are universally cheaper than Burgos bar girls and while LT is still the default AC time, this is slowly changing, sadly. Meanwhile on Burgos, the time frame will be assumed to be ST unless otherwise agreed upon, but I have found that on a 2nd or 3rd date my Burgos Bar girls freely give me a modified ST (3 or 4 hours) and basically they stay as long as I want them too with no additional charge unless they stay overnight. I do feed them. LOL. It should be noted, however, that the Burgos barfine includes the lady drinks. For example: in Bottoms: the barfine is 3900p OR 10 lady drinks (Tequila or Jack and Coke) or any combination there of. So if you order your girl 10 Tequilas, you pay 3900p barfine nothing more and the 10 lady drinks are free. If you order your girl 1 Tequila, you pay 3900p barfine and the 1 lady drink is free. And if you order your girl 11 Tequilas, you pay 3900p barfine plus 390p for the 11th lady drink. Meanwhile your tab grows becasue you are charged for YOUR drinks. In Plan "B" it is the same billing structure only the barfine is 2900p I believe so 10 lady drinks adds up to 290 each. You only pay for the lady drinks if you do not barfine the girl. Also the girl's sexual service charge is loosely pinned to the barfine. In other words, girls in Bottoms will want 4000p for ST. Girls in Plan "B" will want 3000p. And girls in Rogues will want 2000p. Roughly.
Now IMHO the quality of AC girls is not as high as Burgos girls and I firmly believe, that on average, the current attitude of Burgos Bar girls is superior to that of AC girls. There are individual exceptions to this, obviously. What I am saying is strictly anecdotal based on my experiences in 2013,2014, and recently in April 2015. I would add that while the overall quality of the Filipina bar girls is not high, welcome to the Philippines, there are places in Metro Manila where one can find more better looking girls, but I think you better be willing to spend 12,000 p or more, if you want to have a good time at Air Force One, Universe Girl Club, or La La Land. You can also try certain popular clubs like Gramercy 71 and Time. But they are not cheap to navigate successfully either.
In any case, my point is that I have consistently found real gems in the better Burgos bars like Bottoms and Plan "B" . During the last 2 years that I visited both Makati and AC, I ended up enjoying my Burgos Bar girls' company and their sexual congress more than the AC girls that I spent time with. That is why I skipped AC on my 2015 spring trip and concentrated all my Philippine punting time in Makati. I was not disappointed with my decision because, once again, in Makati, I found three Burgos Bar girls that were so much fun to be with and more sexually playful and uninhibited than most of my other girls on this trip. In fact of all the destinations that I visited on my 2015 trip, only Jakarta had consistently better looking and better performing girls and boy were they expensive! My Jakarta girls. LOL. I also enjoyed 2 of my 3 Makati girls more than most my BKK girls this trip! And I shagged a lot of Thai girls this trip as I was in BKK for 4 weeks, Jakarta 10 days, and Makati 8 days.
My next trip will be in the Fall. I originally planned just 3 cities: Manila, Pattaya, and BKK, but one of my Jakarta girls has convinced me to visit her again so I will be cutting my Pattaya time in half so I can hang out in Jakarta for a week. I will be staying in Makati again on the way in and I look forward to hooking up with my 2 Burgos girls from my spring trip. Then on the way out I will be staying in Pasay for a few days so I can go by the EDSA Entertainment Complex and maybe visit one of the Pasay international bars. Who knows? Anyway, I am not planning on visiting AC again for the foreseeable future and I don't think I am going to miss a thing, although I do like Subic, but I will talk about Subic in the appropriate thread.I know that this report is old, but I am researching my first trip to Manila now and found this post, which I thought very helpful. I was trying to decide between AC and Manila, but now my choice has been made.
On my first go around, I was planning to stay in Pasay and check out EDSA. Just to be close to the airport. I was thinking of checking out AF1, but I didn't know it was so expensive. Another resource I have found is this website called "RockitReports. " This gentleman described the KTV scene as a little different. And now that I think of it, it seems unusual that no one here is mentioning the KTV scene much.
I am in Makati now and staying near Burgos Street in an apartment. As I had some significant jet lag after arriving, I have been operating a bit under the radar this weekend. However, I did stop in a few bars on Friday. The first was Papillion where I knew one of the dancers from last year though she was no longer working there.
I was almost immediately surrounded by several girls even though I emphasized that I was not buying any lady drinks or doing a bar fine. However, I did want to refresh my memory of the bar fine amount here. Initially, I was told it was 3900 pesos or something near that amount plus negotiating the additional amount with your girl. After balking at this price, which was easy to do since I had no intention of taking anyone out, one of the girls said I could bar fine for $2500 pesos since I was a previous customer and knew the mama san. I really don't not know her but they seem pretty flexible on the bar fine amount. Things were slow there for a Friday evening so perhaps they were offering discounts for this reason.
I left after a few minutes as I did not see anyone to my liking and wanted to check out Rogues down the street on the corner. This place has the reputation for the lowest bar fine on the street and some attractive, if high mileage, gals. It did not take long for a girl to come over dressed in a Santa Claus Christmas type bikini with a stocking cap. The light in there is not the best so it was tough to discern her age but she did have a nice body. Skipping to the chase, I bought her a few drinks and she told me the bar fine was 1600 p take out plus her fee of 3000 p so all in for 4600 p. This translates into $100 USD for all night though by then it was 3 am.
So I took her back to my apartment. It went ok, though nothing spectacular. Since I had jet lag still, I woke up around 9 am and tried to get her interested in round two though she either feigned sleep or ignored me. Finally at noon, I decided enough was enough and woke her up. I made sure that Round 2 came to fruition and then ran her out of there. It became apparent to me that this girl had seen better days and was a bit on the hard core side though can't really complain about the level of service except it was somewhat predictable.
On Saturday evening, I stopped at the Gramercy 71 night club. I also visited briefly the night before. I don't get this place as every time I go it is boring, the girls are in big groups with friends at reserved tables and nothing much seems to happen. The elevator attendant said they have model nights on Wednesday and that is the big night of the week. He also mentioned that many of the 'models' are from Brazil and of course noted the size of their 'Culos'.
So I wandered back over to Burgos. First, it's amazing how frequently I am accosted by women in that vicinity who follow me down the street and pester you about their services. Some of them, judging by their vocal tone, appear to be ladyboys too. I actually told two of them to stop following me after they shadowed me for more than a block.
I did chat with three girls who were together at a table at Cafe Cubano. One especially attractive girl (Stefanie) told me she was leaving for Laguna today to be in a beauty pageant. She was young and quite attractive so her story was quite believable and I exchanged numbers with her (one of her friends name, a nicely dressed buxom dyed blond, is Rachel). Naturally, Stephanie wanted me to go with her but my jet lag was kicking in and said I would call. I really only wanted to know her price and was pleased to be quoted 2000pesos though it was near 3am so perhaps that had something to do with it. My guess is she had already made quite a bit that night on short term assignments, another reason I passed. However, given what bar fine charges and the cost to the girl, finding someone at Cafe Cubanos seems to be the better option. For one thing, the light is good there and, at least, it's a better vetting system then taking someone at random off the street as most of the girls seemed to know the wait staff, other customers etc.
Do you really think that is an effective way to prevent STD's? At first I thought you were joking but after reading it a second time I think you actually believe it, wow! I would recommend using a search engine to find a few articles on the subject.Definitely helps. It also helps to go wee wee right after sex.
Just wanted to also add and clarify my last post (seems like editing isn't allowed here.).
I don't mind paying for higher priced escorts / women if I know they are quality, but my point was that if I am going to pay 50 k a night, I might as well go to countries outside the Philippines and to find them because I know for that I will get what I paid for (since I guess the industry flourishes more in other countries not only for the foreigners but for the locals as well? It's in the culture to go to KTV's for business meetings / after work in other Asian countries like Japan and Taiwan, so I guess it's more "developed" in other places.).
So like I said, if such a woman appeared here I wouldn't mind paying similar prices (hot, educated woman who knows how to act as a proper escort going out, does not seem trashy / low class, etc.).
However said activities being quite taxing on the wallet to do every week, I'd like to find cheaper alternatives, but so far what I've seen here (been to P. Burgos and Classmates and Kremlin Spa) pale in comparison to other places (like Thailand's Soy Cow Boi district) that fall in the same price range. The only place I have been satisfied with so far is Kremlin Spa, and even then it's nothing compared to Thailand's La Belle (It's on par with La Belle's lower end girls.) Also just FYI for the price I paid classmates I would imagined it would be a lot nicer.
I'm still going to check out other KTV-esque places and see (like Pegasus and other well known ones) and see, but like I said so far it's been disappointing for the past year (both service and quality).
On another note, regarding the other forums, it seems like they aren't as active either (specifically talking about the Escort forum directed to me, it seems like it hasn't been updated recently aside from the recent 1 or 2 posts, others are months / years apart so I can't really get a good idea if the information still applies or not.) Also like I mentioned, it seems like the protocols here that apply to women in this industry are a bit different compared to other countries so I'm still unsure about how to go about handling the women here. (I assume the standards like don't bring them to the condo you live in, etc. Apply.) What I'm mostly confused about is how women here can seem so sketchy compared to other places, and conversations always lead to something about money for their family etc. I am also still confused as to where are appropriate places to take these women (do you just stay around the seedy areas like P. Burgos bars? I don't know).
Again, sorry if this post seems insulting, but I'm not hating on anyone or the Philippines; I'm just being blunt about my experiences here for the past year. I guess to be frank what I'm trying to say that in other countries, I'm satisfied with what I pay for both low and high prices, but it's been disappointing here so far, and that's why I'm looking to you guys to see if I can solve that problem.Just doing some research, and came across this old post. Sorry for posting online here, but Coolico does not allow PM.
Just wondering about your assessments of the KTVs in Manila have come to. Do you have a favorite? As you stated in your post, KTVs are rarely commented on here. I am still trying to figure out exactly what they are. Are they like massage parlors in Thailand, where there is a fishbowl? Are they Karaoke clubs where they hang out with you and are open to options? From what I have read, they seem to be fishbowl type places, but then why don't people call them that? Why are they called KTVs?
Just a follow up on the so called dorms my taxi driver wanted to take me too a few nights ago. I got in a taxi the following night with a different driver and asked him about these dorms. He just laughed and indicated they were bordellos and not dorms and he took me over to show me one. This one was in Makati and a few blocks off Puyat, sometimes known as Buendia, though never got the exact address. Apparently, there is a similar establishment nearby though not sure if under mutual ownership.
When I arrived and walked in the large living room, I sat on a long couch and the girls paraded in wearing various sexy cocktail attire type dresses. There were quite a few at around 11 pm. I would estimate about 40 and most attractive though you could not talk with them or interact with the exception of exchanging smiles. The junior papasan sat next to me and initially quoted $4000 whereupon I balked and he lowered his price to $3000 but said he would have to confirm new price with his boss. I tried to find out if any of the girls were bi, but he did not appear to understand the term. Basically, he kept saying it was normal sex.
I really like to interact with girls but since there was no chance to talk, one has to go on instinct so decide against it and left with the taxi driver. After I returned to my apartment, the the first taxi driver contacted me about taking me assuring me that two girl action was possible but I think it's unlikely that type of thing occurs unless you are lucky in your selection. I told him some other time.
Basically, any representation that indicates these dorms are for non-pros who are either working or going to school appears highly unlikely. More than likely, they are simply bordellos where girls hang out hoping to be selected.Anyone else have experience with this dorm / bordello option? This is the first I have read of it.
MutantChicken
12-06-15, 17:54
Anyone else have experience with this dorm / bordello option? This is the first I have read of it.Manny51,
You need to read much further back search term CASA. You might even be able to find the address of a few, I also have been tehre but as I went alone without a taxi, I was quoted 2 k, 2. k supposedly for overnight, but given that I had just been to AC where 2.5 k can get you a much better looking girl. I also didn't partake. Yes these girls are just working girls in a bordello, generally older and rounder they are not students or part timers.
The answer to your question is yes, he really believes so.
The answer to the really important question is no, it is not real.
Do you really think that is an effective way to prevent STD's? At first I thought you were joking but after reading it a second time I think you actually believe it, wow! I would recommend using a search engine to find a few articles on the subject.
Wicked Roger,
Keeping clean is one of the best way to prevent a lot of heebie jeebies. If you have done your did, go to the bathroom, and wash your ding dong off. The one time I caught something, and I was glad it was something minor, it was because I fell asleep. Now I make it a point to wash, just lean over the sink, and wash.Yep. Wash it right away. Best to wash by using straight 91% rubbing alcohol on your ding donger and just feel the germs dying!
Cool Traveler
12-14-15, 18:09
Sometimes I do say stupid things, and sometimes do not think through. I am very sorry to mislead people here. Washing absolutely does not prevent infection, but it does significantly reduce the chances of infection. I meant the last post for those who are not using condoms. I am not an expert, but I think if you consult your doc, they'd say the same thing. There are guys out there who refuse to use condoms, and that post was meant for them. Wash!
Ultimately, use protection. Use condom.
Do you really think that is an effective way to prevent STD's? At first I thought you were joking but after reading it a second time I think you actually believe it, wow! I would recommend using a search engine to find a few articles on the subject.
I wanted to add a postscript to the last paragraph of my report #4634 now I have departed from PHP. I mentioned in this section that I had met an attractive girl who was participating in a beauty pageant the following day in Laguna.
A few nights later, I took a seat again inside Cafe Cubana and a Westerner about my age came in and sat at a nearby table. Within a minute, he summoned an attractive tall girl dressed in a long white dress to sit with him. I had noticed her on my other visit and she walks around like she is the manager or something. She is neither. After ten minutes, she left the table and the guy leaned over to me and said 'she' was a he so dismissed her.
We started conversing and that's when I noticed there were actually quite a few LB's in this cafe. We started pointing them out to each other. I noted a thin blond Filipino behind me who I thought must be a LB. In fact, I was almost certain. But this guy said no that she was not as he had been with her several days earlier and he had a great time. Well recommended, or so he said! Then he settled his bill and left the cafe.
Shortly thereafter, the blond girl named Rachel who I had met the previous evening with the pagaent participant walked by. I started to chat with her and quickly realized by her vocal intonations, she was also a LB. I asked her and she confirmed her gender status. Then I asked her about the beauty pageant 'girl'. Yes, she was a LB too! Apparently, she finished in the top 5 of this contest, which was, of course, only open to LB's.
Then the thin blond girl strolled by who the other punter had told me he banged. What about her I inquired? Oh yes, Rachel said, she is also a LB, but post-op. Fortunately, the other guy had left and did not hear this little nugget of information.
So, be careful in Cafe Cubana. All is not what it appears.
Just doing some research, and came across this old post. Sorry for posting online here, but Coolico does not allow PM.
Just wondering about your assessments of the KTVs in Manila have come to. Do you have a favorite? As you stated in your post, KTVs are rarely commented on here. I am still trying to figure out exactly what they are. Are they like massage parlors in Thailand, where there is a fishbowl? Are they Karaoke clubs where they hang out with you and are open to options? From what I have read, they seem to be fishbowl type places, but then why don't people call them that? Why are they called KTVs?Well KTV's here follow the same standard as the ones in Taiwan and in China. What you are describing as fishbowls (Thailand style) would be the massage parlors like Kremlin or Flight169.
The standard procedures in KTV is pretty much you rent out a room a minimum of 5 k in most places, which is a consumable so you basically get alcohol and a KTV room. (Technically you don't have to and you can sit outside from what I've seen in Manila, but it's best to shell out for the private room since it's consumable anyways.) Then from there you can pick girls to entertain you either from a room (fishbowl style) or you can request one of the girls who will perform on the main stage (if she's available) where her time will be a flat rate (something from 2 k and up per hour.).
Now by entertain, I do pretty much mean entertain without much else; see the procedure in most KTV establishments (Chinese style) is that the girl will sit with you in your KTV room and just chat / sing / drink with you. From there usually you will establish whether the girl is pay to take home, or not pay to take home (meaning she has to like you to go outside of the establishment with you.) However in Manila just note that it's different where most girls will push you to buy their time and buy a room (usually upstairs of the the establishment) to do it with them for absurdly inflated prices.
Case in point: If you recall I talked about Kremlin the massage parlor I highly recommend that's fishbowl style for a cheap price, and it's actually located right next to a long time established well known KTV called Classmates. Out of curiosity I went there and took my friend to see what it was like, and it's basically what I described above. They drink with you and chat and sing, and they try their damnest to get you to take them to an upstairs room (FYI the damage for about 2 hours was 15 k I think total, and they were charging 10 k for an hour to go upstairs.).
Anyways my suggestion is that KTV's are not fun here in the Philippines; they are basically copies of Chinese style KTV's but a lot less fun. If you do decide to go however, it's best to go with a friend or two, and don't expect much beyond flirting / kissing in the room. Your best bet (if you really want to go) is to go to the KTV for an hour and get a girl, then afterwards just pop on over to a massage parlor to get your rocks off.
Member #4387
12-18-15, 23:20
Well I admit I have a weak spot for the lovely pinays we are fucking. This trip I pre ordered some girls I've been fucking around the comming x mas. Iphone 6's was popular so I bought 4 of them to the designated 4 best fucks this year. Ithink that's a good treat.
Not that i care but i have girls demanding iPhone 6s. Théy did not. Only the real poor got one(not poor as in no money):-)
Well I admit I have a weak spot for the lovely pinays we are fucking. This trip I pre ordered some girls I've been fucking around the comming x mas. Iphone 6's was popular so I bought 4 of them to the designated 4 best fucks this year. Ithink that's a good treat. .......................And I think Pics of these iPhone 6 - Girls of the Year, together, in the Pic Gallery, would be most appropriate.
Also Westies top girls of the year, together, in Pic Gallery, would be appropriate. Cunning could donate too, if he wished. These three come across as my Photographers of the Year, with Westie taking top spot. Noting, no one can complain about my 2015 Pics.
Pic Gallery is important. Tis where we can see what the writer is talking about. And its where we learn some guys 8 is another guys. Leave it to you.
Member #4387
12-20-15, 01:50
And I think Pics of these iPhone 6 - Girls of the Year, together, in the Pic Gallery, would be most appropriate.
Also Westies top girls of the year, together, in Pic Gallery, would be appropriate. Cunning could donate too, if he wished. These three come across as my Photographers of the Year, with Westie taking top spot. Noting, no one can complain about my 2015 Pics.
Pic Gallery is important. Tis where we can see what the writer is talking about. And its where we learn some guys 8 is another guys. Leave it to you.Since the Iphone 6's is close to 60 k piso each(64GB without subscription), I think Jackson should chime in. He probably a rich guy I ran out of moneys so only 4 could be treated this year(it was a hard decission, hehe). Next year I stop by in China and buy second hand products. Iphone 6's 64 GB runs for 15-20000 pisos there.
When its comes to pics I promote everyone to post pics. We can not like all the girls but pic postings is important as Sxxxx states as it gives us a nice idea of what's cooking. I agree westie have nice pics (but he cheats the system and post only (mostly) 1 pic a day. Cunning have tremendous young girls (be safe cunning and check ID) but mostly stunning. Asian Rain I miss. Everyone else posting pics, thank you. Still great even if you are not mentioned here. "Hots" in thai thread have nice photos even if I sometimes find his girls not good looking. He posts and that's nice. Just post without caring about what all the "judges" i side here means.
My last girl found this in the toilet(that called for some explenations):-) Lesson learned: allways flush:-)
Since the Iphone 6's is close to 60 k piso each(64GB without subscription), I think Jackson should chime in. He probably a rich guy I ran out of moneys so only 4 could be treated this year(it was a hard decission, hehe). Next year I stop by in China and buy second hand products. Iphone 6's 64 GB runs for 15-20000 pisos there.{S N I P}Be ultra careful buying second hand phones in China. Every scam in the world is practised there, from last second bait and switch (you get a rubbish phone with no innards), to an Android based phone in an iPhone case (that operates just like an iPhone except it won't access iTunes store, etc).
As an indication of the extent of the scams, a few years ago, a colleague bought a brand new LG phone from an LG shop in Shenzhen. When he arrived in his next country (India), the phone would not register on the network because the IMEI was not unique. That it, it was a fake LG phone!
Ikks
Member #4387
12-20-15, 05:20
Be ultra careful buying second hand phones in China. Every scam in the world is practised there, from last second bait and switch (you get a rubbish phone with no innards), to an Android based phone in an iPhone case (that operates just like an iPhone except it won't access iTunes store, etc).
As an indication of the extent of the scams, a few years ago, a colleague bought a brand new LG phone from an LG shop in Shenzhen. When he arrived in his next country (India), the phone would not register on the network because the IMEI was not unique. That it, it was a fake LG phone!
IkksEx from my Prada glasses bought at the Lufthansa bld in Beijing all I get from there is fake fake. I have the designated fake mall though where they actually store fake products almost as good as the real one at stake. Example: about a Rolex watch once many years ago, and even if its a bit light (the leach) its impossible to kill it. Works like clockwork and is even waterproof. That beeing said I bought many watches in Beijing and not all works this fine.
Ex from my Prada glasses bought at the Lufthansa bld in Beijing all I get from there is fake fake. I have the designated fake mall though where they actually store fake products almost as good as the real one at stake. Example: about a Rolex watch once many years ago, and even if its a bit light (the leach) its impossible to kill it. Works like clockwork and is even waterproof. That beeing said I bought many watches in Beijing and not all works this fine.I agree with you about watches, handbags, spectacle frames etc. You can pick the 'replica' fakes from the poor quality ones. You can do the same at Greenhills (where they are even cheaper than touristy Beijing) and will happily tell you the 'grade' of the fake.
However, electronics, like phones, laptops, tablets, chargers, USB drives, hard drives etc open a whole new world of opportunities for the scammers. This is especially true in Southern China where most of the manufacturers are located.
I strongly suggest that you put a SIM card and fully test the phones before you buy, and then after you are happy, don't let the seller touch it again to prevent switches. Actually Greenhills is also renowned for its switching and selling poor quality second-hand electronics!
Just my POV.
Ikks.
Member #4387
12-20-15, 13:28
I agree with you about watches, handbags, spectacle frames etc. You can pick the 'replica' fakes from the poor quality ones. You can do the same at Greenhills (where they are even cheaper than touristy Beijing) and will happily tell you the 'grade' of the fake.
However, electronics, like phones, laptops, tablets, chargers, USB drives, hard drives etc open a whole new world of opportunities for the scammers. This is especially true in Southern China where most of the manufacturers are located.
I strongly suggest that you put a SIM card and fully test the phones before you buy, and then after you are happy, don't let the seller touch it again to prevent switches. Actually Greenhills is also renowned for its switching and selling poor quality second-hand electronics!
Just my POV.
Ikks.Ikks, you provide highly class information here and if possibel I would promote it to a "must know" post (if going to China). I have chineese pukies as well I like to fuck and that's why I also go there. I am happy to tell you I do exactly what you tell me before buying any second hand phones whatever. I test with sim and I don't let the outletter touch the phone to much. That beeing said I buy mostly first sortiment products but I am not so stupid I buy a Rolex watch for 100000 US (it ends only wristing my arm with pussyjuice anyway haha). Well lets call me stupid for a moment as I bought 4 Iphones 6's at Glorietta4 here the other day for the nice total ammount of 240000 pisos. I hope they were genuin as a first hand product I haven't heard any complaints from the 4 top notche girls I gave them to, hehe.
Double Shooter
12-20-15, 21:55
The Shooter had a day trip to Makati as part of an Asian business trip. Finished the work stuff by 4 pm, flight after midnight, so what to do? Fanny about in the hotel or hit Burgos? Oddly enough the Shooter's earnest young colleagues opted for the former, and only one Boring Old Fart comrade opted to accompany him.
First stop was an old haunt, Rogues. First trip in many a year. The drinks are incredibly cheap in happy hour. If memory serves, it's something like P60 for a brewski, and P150 for an LD. On the downside, the girls are hardly lookers. With the exception of the Tequila girl in an impossibly short mini-skirt. It was a pleasure to watch her playing pool. What a cheek!
The Shooter found a marginally attractive girl, bought her a drink and got going with the groping. He noticed that the old curtained booths no longer had a curtain. He inquired and there is no "private area". So the best you can have is a fondle and a hand up your shorts. Still, not a bad way to spend a late afternoon. And definitely not going to break the bank.
After a couple of cold ones, it was time to move on, a few yards up the street to Bourbon Street. The Shooter and his mate were immediately assaulted by two girls each, with immediate attention on the one-eyed trousered snake. Things got a bit heavy, and an invitation was made to retreat to dimly-lit seats at the back. Once there the Shooter's shorts relocated to his ankles and four small hands worked his cock and balls. Meanwhile an invisible massage girl was frenziedly manipulating his back. Looking across his pal was in a similar situation, but he had the massage girl and one bar girl doing the business on the family jewels.
Naturally there were regular requests for LDs, to which the Shooter acceded intermittently. It's important in these places to remember the phrase "No thank you".
The HJ was by far not the most skillful he has ever received, but let's say it's a more positive experience than an early evening pint at the Dog & Duck in Bradford. He was surprised when they asked him to finish. So he did, copiously and messily. One hopes that they clean the seat regularly. He gave them P500 tip, but they managed to persuade him to double that.
The Shooter's colleague reported that the massage girl had shown admirable dick-handling skills, so he had focused on her to the exclusion of the bar girl. The latter had grown jealous and had tried to mount him bareback LOL.
The pair felt chilled after their release and repaired to the street restaurant in the Bellagio hotel. It's a great place for people watching. A few cuties in the restaurant also. Food was OK.
Afterwards there was still time for one for the road, so they popped into the bar right opposite the Bellagio. Again they were pounced upon by a horde of bikini-clad beauties. The Shooter chose two 21 yo spinners. They had a certain youthful naivety and enthusiasm that he found charming. So when they offered him a blow job for P1 k each in drinks plus P500 each tips, he gladly accepted. They retired to a dark but not-so-private spot near the entrance.
The BJ was pretty good. One was more skilled while the other had a smaller mouth that formed a tighter seal on his cylinder. Despite their skills the Shooter struggled to shoot his load. A passing bar girl leaned over to lend a helping hand. Not especially skilful but the change of pace was appreciated. Eventually one girl removed her panties, stood on the seat and shoved her pussy into his face. Meanwhile the small-mouthed chick bobbed up and down on his cock head while jerking him with her hand. The pussy was delectable and that drove him over the edge. He exploded massively into her mouth. It was a deeply satisfying finish.
Meanwhile a few feet away a group of Filipinos were at a table, barely shielded by bar girls. The Shooter retreated to the bathroom to clean up and to organised the tips to all those who had assisted in the orgiastic fiesta.
They staggered back across the road to the Bellagio with an unsteady gait. There was still time for a couple of cold ones before returning to the hotel to leave for the airport. A great trip.
I was in Manila for business for 10 days at end of Novemeber and beginning of December 2015. First time here. Read some of the posts here to prepare. Here's my experiences.
Note. Using a conversion of 40 pesos to 1 USD. The rate was better than that but for ease of doing the math I used 4. English is widely spoken here. From the girls, to taxi drivers, to restaurant staff, store clerks, etc.
Weather. Still quite hot and humid for "winter". Day time temps are low 30's. Evenings are pleasant but slightly humid.
Traffic. Horrible. Getting anywhere between 8 am to 10 pm is not going to be easy or quick. Allocate plenty of time. Going even a few miles takes 30-60 minutes depending on the traffic. Its some of the worst traffic I've seen anywhere in the world. I stayed in Makati area by the Glorietta mall. So could walk everywhere or taxi took about 20 minutes to get where I was going.
Pricing. Beer prices at the clubs is about 120 pesos ($3 US). At the hotel bars about 180 pesos ($4-5). There is happy hour pricing everywhere as well. For example my hotel had all you can drink during happy hour for 1000 pesos ($20 US). At the clubs in Burgos happy hour pricing for beers is 60-80 pesos ($2 US). Happy hour in Burgos is any time before 10 pm!
Prices for girls. Anywhere from about 3000-5000 pesos ($75-120 US). This is for long time. All night. Taking girls out of the Burgos clubs involves a bar fine of anywhere between 2000-3000 pesos ($45-70), depending on how many drinks you are buying at the club and how good your negotiation skills are with the mama-san. The girl gets a part of this fee. Then you tip the girl on top of this fee. About 2000-3000 (another $45-65 US). So total cost is about $120-140 US.
Prices for girls at Cafe Havana is all over the place - 3000 to 8000 pesos. The more "professional" ones who are there constantly every night, ask higher prices and from my experience are not worth it. The best ones are from the provinces (I. E villages) and are in town for a few days every few months to make some extra cash for their families. They are not as aggressive and are quite happy with 3500.
Drink prices for dance girls at the clubs in Burgos are anywhere from 300-400 pesos ($7-10 US), again there's happy hour pricing. When you buy a drink for a girl in these clubs. It implies she's kind of doing psuedo lap dances for you for a few songs and you can be touching here everywhere. So you can have quite some fun with these dancer girls as along as you pace buying her drinks. Like 2 or 3 per hour, no more.
Prices. Taxis - a ride that takes anywhere from 5 minutes to about 20 minutes is 100 pesos ($2-3 US). An hour in the taxi is about 350-400 pesos ($8-9 US). These prices include the tip. Taxis are fairly cheap in Manila.
Prices. Restaurants - dinners were mostly around $30-40. These are the fairly nice restaurants in Greenbelt Mall area. But there are tons of restaurants in this area at all price points.
I didn't have any bad experiences with any of the girls I ended up with. No issues with my hotel, its was girl friendly. All of the girls stayed over night, didn't cause any dramas, etc. All of them did NOT ask me for the money first when we got to my hotel. Thats a very good sign. Only once with one girl that I picked up from Cafe Havana, she asked for the money when we got into bed but I said after and that was it, she didn't mention it again. I took that as a bad sign, and sure enough our night was probably theworst one I had with a girl. Not that there was anything really bad about it, but she just wasn't as nice and friendly as the other girls and wanted to leave early (around 5 amand we didn't have sex again in the morning.
Places:
Cafe Havana. The place to be. Its in the Greenbelt 3 Mall area. Its a "normal" restaurant with live band every night including Sundays. It's mostly outdoor patio seating. Lots of action here after 10 pm every night. Its completely free lancing. Girls are in groups of 2 or 3 sitting at the tables waiting to make eye contact. Inside is a small bar area, dance floor and band. Right next door is Starbucks with its outdoor patio. Girls are sitting at tables here as well. I took girls from here 2 or 3 times. Mostly all good experiences. Gave them 3500-4500 pesos for all night. Meaning up until about 9-10 am. Had sex multiple times, and always once in the morning.
Spicey Fingers. Further down from Cafe Havana in Greenbelt 2. Its a smaller place, live rock band every night. Same style as Cafe Havana. Girls come and go as they please, freelancers. There's an upstairs and outdoor area as well.
Greenbelt 2, 3 Mall area. Outdoor mall type area, lots of restaurants with both an inside seating area and outdoor patio area. From about 10 pm onwards, you can walk around here and see there are girls waiting to be picked up. Did also see the odd transvestite here as well. So be careful.
Burgos area. This is where all the dance / strip clubs are and street action. Its close to the Greenbelt Mall area, about 5 minutes by taxi if there is no traffic, otherwise about 15-20 minutes. Its several blocks of club after club of very similar strip clubs. Names like G-String, Crazy Horse, Melane Rouge, Plan be, Shampoo, etc. No entrance charges. Girls are in strip club type outfits. They do shifts dancing on stage, mostly only partially nude or not at all. You can call any girl over, even those on stage and start chatting her up / buying her a drink. Most of the girls are friendly enough, I talked to tons of them, bought drinks for several. Had a good time in these places, as long as you don't get carried away and ignore the prompting of the mama-san and girls to keep buying drinks too quickly. Pricing for bar fine and girls varies wildly among these clubs, so always ask and don't assume. Didn't have any bad experiences in these clubs. Like girls trying to rob you or staff putting extra drinks on your tab etc. Everyone seems to be upfront in these clubs and always ask for approval from you first. I think the Plan be club is probably the best one of these. Lots of girls, all 7's or 8's, good seating.
The streets of Burgos. Be very careful here, especially if you are unfortunate enough to be drunk walking on these streets trying to get home or the next club. There's lots of transvites on the streets here, and also tons of young girls offering massages, etc. Not sure how the massage thing works. Every block there are girls waiting around and approaching you for a massage, either at your hotel or their business place which is nearby somewhere. Prices are around $15 US for the massage, or so they say. I never tried one of these, did not have the desire nor intention too. Heard all kinds of bad stories with these girls. The girls are all around 18-24 years old, mostly 5's or 6's, some 7's, and seem sweet natured. Not hardened street girls with signs of drug abuse, etc. Still, I stayed away. I never had any issues walking in Burgos by myself, no one hastles you or tried pick pocketting you etc if you just ignore them. There is also a police kiosk booth here in the street and I saw several security / police officers on the streets.
Other strip clubs. Mistakenly let a taxi driver take me to a strip club about 10-15 minutes aways from the Greenbelt / Glorietta mall area. The club is less touristly and much bigger inside with lots of space for seating. The only good points. THe bad is there is a cover charge of 500-700 pesos ($12-15 US), beer prices are around $4, drink prices for girls are $10. All the staff, including the mama-san and dancers are constantly getting you to buy something or tip them, etc. Too much pressure. Maybe because I was alone and an obvious tourist / foreigner. Maybe a group of 2 or 3 would be better. If you want to hang out with a girl here you can only do so in chunks of 1 hour. Yeah that's right 1 hour minimum at a time. Cost is 900 pesos ($25) and includes one drink for the girl. Which is not too bad really. You can get all the lap dances and contact you want from the girl. But the girl will try to get you to keep buying her drinks which are extra. The girls for the most part are all 7's or 8's. And do shows on stage in rotations. The one I went to was called Taizan or something like that. Ended up spending about 2000 ($45) - I had 2 drinks, spent an hour with a dancer, and tip. There's another one in Pasig city with similar setup that I went in to see but didn't end up staying at. You can have sex with the girl there at the club in their rooms. Cost is 5000 pesos ($120 US) or take the girl out. Bar fine of 8000 ($200 US). I would assume that also included the girls fee and tip, but I didn't bother trying to find out as I was not interested in doing that.
Massage parlors. Not really my thing. But during my taxi ride to work and back to hotel I would notice these massage parlors everywhere. So one day after work decided to try one. Its in the Mandaluyong area. A small place. Walked in, cute young reception girl. A 1 hour massage is 350 pesos ($9-10). Decided to try it. Couldn't really go.
Wrong at that price. The girl giving me the massage is about 22-24 years, about a 6. The room is a "shared" room with other clients, with a curtain sectioning you off from the other clients. And the room is somewhat dark. Yeah, all of this is very weird. Was almost thinking of walking out. But stayed. For $10 what the hell. The girl gave me an okay massage, but no extras. I tried but I didn't push it. Not sure if all these small massage parlors are setup the same way or not.
Online Escorts. Didn't try. Not my thing.
Hotel lounges / bars. Went to Shangri-La hotel in Makati. Very luxurious lobby area and 2nd floor lounge. Several expensive restaurants on 2nd floor. In the $100 range. Too luxurious for me. I went around 8-9 pm and didn't see any girls who looked like they were working girls. Sage restaurnat is on 2nd floor. Heard about it here from previous posts. Its just a restaurant, somewhat expensive. Definitely not a pick up joint. Did hear working girls do come to Shangri-La lobby lounge, but from later on, around 10:30-11 pm onwards. Going rates are around $150-200 US. However, I didn't see any of this for myself.
Miscellaneous. I did see many white older men (60's) with much younger girls (30's) in the malls, and out for drinks or dinner / lunches everywhere. Seems pretty normal here it looks like.
Casas or "lady dormitories" - private small places, somewhat illegal. There's no sign advertising them or anything. Not all taxi drivers know about them. I was lucky enough one night and had a taxi driver who told me about them and took me to them. Its in the Makati area, there are 2 of them close to each other (a few minutes by taxi). The setup is there's a bunch of girls who are bought out and sit around in a large common room area. About 10-15 girls. You sit down and look at them and then make a choice of who you want. Or leave without one. The man running the place puts pressure on you to make a choice and to do so somewhat quickly. On the girls part, those that are interested in you will let you know by looking at you and saying "Hello, sir" many times. You can pick any girl and take her to your place. Cost is 4000 pesos ($100 US), but you can negotiate. You pay the man running the place. You have the girl all night, and expected to tip her. I took one of these girls. A sweet 20 year old. Paid the man 3500. Had a good time with the girl at my hotel. She left in the morning around 8:30 am. I gave the girl another 1000 tip and she was quite happy. She was telling me she only gets about 1000-1500 of the 3500 I gave the house, and the taxi driver who took me there also gets his "hefty" tip as well. Not sure if this was true or not, and was the girl's way of getting more money from me. But I did notice the taxi driver putting pressure on me to not only go to these places but also walked in with me and put pressure on me to choose a girl. Why do so unless he gets a commission. I went to these places twice. Only once took a girl from here. The second time I didn't see anyone I liked so left empty handed. Mostly the girls are in their 20's, and 6. 5's and some 7's or 8's.
Other places. Club Paradise at New World hotel. Steep cover charge of 500 pesos per person, I think it includes one drink. Maybe not. This club doesn't get going until well after midnight. Its more of an "after hours" place. Only open Wednesdays to Saturdays. Really nice setup inside, good music. I took a girl here with me and we enjoyed the night before going back to my hotel. Place wasn't too crowded. Saw several single girls. Many of them the same ones from Cafe Havana.
Other places. Gramercy club. Didn't end up going here. Its supposed to have a great view of the city. Its located on 71st floor of the Gramercy residence building in Century city. Supposedly expensive for the drinks. Not sure what the pickup scene is like.
Overall from a mongering point of view, Manila is a decent place, and is setup for this activity, and everyone speaks English. And not too expensive. Mind you I didn't negotiate too hard with any of the above prices I have written about. And if you get out of the Makati / Manila area, its much cheaper. Walking around the shopping malls and in the business offices you see many good looking Filipino women. I guess if one stays longer you could easily develop relationships with them. I talked to a few expats one night at dinner who had been there or coming there on and off for 10-15+ years. They all had local girlfriends or wives.
One of the most articulate and informative post I've read in years. Thanks again DD Phil.
Just wondering if you remember the name of the bar where you had the oral encounter with the bikini clad girls? I'm not quite sure where you mean by "the bar right opposite the Bellagio. " I'd like that attention some time!
The Shooter had a day trip to Makati as part of an Asian business trip. Finished the work stuff by 4 pm, flight after midnight, so what to do? Fanny about in the hotel or hit Burgos? Oddly enough the Shooter's earnest young colleagues opted for the former, and only one Boring Old Fart comrade opted to accompany him.
First stop was an old haunt, Rogues. First trip in many a year. The drinks are incredibly cheap in happy hour. If memory serves, it's something like P60 for a brewski, and P150 for an LD. On the downside, the girls are hardly lookers. With the exception of the Tequila girl in an impossibly short mini-skirt. It was a pleasure to watch her playing pool. What a cheek!
The Shooter found a marginally attractive girl, bought her a drink and got going with the groping. He noticed that the old curtained booths no longer had a curtain. He inquired and there is no "private area". So the best you can have is a fondle and a hand up your shorts. Still, not a bad way to spend a late afternoon. And definitely not going to break the bank.
After a couple of cold ones, it was time to move on, a few yards up the street to Bourbon Street. The Shooter and his mate were immediately assaulted by two girls each, with immediate attention on the one-eyed trousered snake. Things got a bit heavy, and an invitation was made to retreat to dimly-lit seats at the back. Once there the Shooter's shorts relocated to his ankles and four small hands worked his cock and balls. Meanwhile an invisible massage girl was frenziedly manipulating his back. Looking across his pal was in a similar situation, but he had the massage girl and one bar girl doing the business on the family jewels.
Naturally there were regular requests for LDs, to which the Shooter acceded intermittently. It's important in these places to remember the phrase "No thank you".
The HJ was by far not the most skillful he has ever received, but let's say it's a more positive experience than an early evening pint at the Dog & Duck in Bradford. He was surprised when they asked him to finish. So he did, copiously and messily. One hopes that they clean the seat regularly. He gave them P500 tip, but they managed to persuade him to double that.
The Shooter's colleague reported that the massage girl had shown admirable dick-handling skills, so he had focused on her to the exclusion of the bar girl. The latter had grown jealous and had tried to mount him bareback LOL.
The pair felt chilled after their release and repaired to the street restaurant in the Bellagio hotel. It's a great place for people watching. A few cuties in the restaurant also. Food was OK.
Afterwards there was still time for one for the road, so they popped into the bar right opposite the Bellagio. Again they were pounced upon by a horde of bikini-clad beauties. The Shooter chose two 21 yo spinners. They had a certain youthful naivety and enthusiasm that he found charming. So when they offered him a blow job for P1 k each in drinks plus P500 each tips, he gladly accepted. They retired to a dark but not-so-private spot near the entrance.
The BJ was pretty good. One was more skilled while the other had a smaller mouth that formed a tighter seal on his cylinder. Despite their skills the Shooter struggled to shoot his load. A passing bar girl leaned over to lend a helping hand. Not especially skilful but the change of pace was appreciated. Eventually one girl removed her panties, stood on the seat and shoved her pussy into his face. Meanwhile the small-mouthed chick bobbed up and down on his cock head while jerking him with her hand. The pussy was delectable and that drove him over the edge. He exploded massively into her mouth. It was a deeply satisfying finish.
Meanwhile a few feet away a group of Filipinos were at a table, barely shielded by bar girls. The Shooter retreated to the bathroom to clean up and to organised the tips to all those who had assisted in the orgiastic fiesta.
They staggered back across the road to the Bellagio with an unsteady gait. There was still time for a couple of cold ones before returning to the hotel to leave for the airport. A great trip.
Key Master
12-30-15, 10:05
Casas or "lady dormitories" - private small places, somewhat illegal. There's no sign advertising them or anything. Not all taxi drivers know about them. I was lucky enough one night and had a taxi driver who told me about them and took me to them. Its in the Makati area, there are 2 of them close to each other (a few minutes by taxi). The setup is there's a bunch of girls who are bought out and sit around in a large common room area. About 10-15 girls. You sit down and look at them and then make a choice of who you want. Or leave without one. The man running the place puts pressure on you to make a choice and to do so somewhat quickly. On the girls part, those that are interested in you will let you know by looking at you and saying "Hello, sir" many times. You can pick any girl and take her to your place. Cost is 4000 pesos ($100 US), but you can negotiate. You pay the man running the place. You have the girl all night, and expected to tip her. I took one of these girls. A sweet 20 year old. Paid the man 3500. Had a good time with the girl at my hotel. She left in the morning around 8:30 am. I gave the girl another 1000 tip and she was quite happy. She was telling me she only gets about 1000-1500 of the 3500 I gave the house, and the taxi driver who took me there also gets his "hefty" tip as well. Not sure if this was true or not, and was the girl's way of getting more money from me. But I did notice the taxi driver putting pressure on me to not only go to these places but also walked in with me and put pressure on me to choose a girl. Why do so unless he gets a commission. I went to these places twice. Only once took a girl from here. The second time I didn't see anyone I liked so left empty handed. Mostly the girls are in their 20's, and 6. 5's and some 7's or 8's.
Hey DD Phil, that was a great report you posted. Lot of good information and sharing of your experiences. Haven't been doing much of Manila / Makati in a couple of years, but your Casa experiences are pretty much the same as mine. The story that she gave you about how much she got from the deal has been what I have heard historically also. The breakdown normally starts at 3000 php. Woman gets 1000, house gets 1000-2000 depending if you came with someone who led you there. If someone from the street or taxi took you there to make their money they get a 1000 from the deal or more if they get you for more than 3000. They take all of the difference above that in addition to the 1000 set. That's been my understanding for the years I was doing that for those particular two that I think you went to in Makati. You are right that not every taxi driver is aware of those places.
Wander Luster
01-01-16, 09:20
Don't forget, I've been ridiculed for paying too much. If you're looking for a bargain, this may not be the place.
I walked to Cafe Havana one night. Was propositioned three times just on the walk from the Shangri La to Greenbelt. One was actually tempting. But on this night I had to be a good boy and was just scoping things out for later in the week. I had heard bad things about Cafe Havana so wasn't expecting much. I was actually surprised to see quite a few girls that I would've been interested in if I was open for business that night. Didn't stay long but realized I could have a good time there. Unfortunately, never made it back as my stay wasn't long enough to do everything I wanted.
HozaThere is some quality. But prices are stupid. Way too many guys willing to pay USD 130 because they are too lazy or have little time on a biz trip to go out of pricy makati.
Wander Luster
01-01-16, 09:31
Good question, Power Plant mall is right in the middle of Rockwell, so you're staying in a condo (instead of a hotel), it's literally across the road. Whilst Power Plant is certainly a lot smaller than the other two malls you mention, it has everything one might need in terms of shops, and it's usually quite busy if you're scouting for girls too. It also has a cinema if you get bored. I prefer Greenbelt if I actually need to do any shopping, but general mooching about or meeting girls, Power Plant works better for me.
Chaos is a relatively big club and on a Friday / Saturday night full. As Natty Bumpo correctly mentioned, there was a special DJ set last Friday and I got in for free through a girl I briefly dated who is now a host at Pangaea (but I would've paid the entrance fee, because generally I have a great time there). Inside there were a number of big groups of girls in my vicinity, all dressed up and (relatively quickly) tanked up, which had generally been my experience with the place. There are a number of good places to stand whereby you get a constant parade of people wondering by (either to the right of the stage near the bar, or at the bar at the back of the venue). From 2 am it gets seriously messy there and that's generally my time to pounce.
But why Chaos? Well Pangaea is a much more intimate club and if you're alone the only place to stand is at the bar so you're fairly conspicuous. And yes, City of Dreams is a bit of a trek, but at 11 pm no more than 25 minutes in a taxi from Makati and probably quicker coming home at 3/4 am.
From the other options:
Valkyrie is a younger crowd, not many girls over 25, and whilst it's a really fun place, if you're around the 40 age range you can start to feel old quick.
Prive is much smaller but very cool though seemingly less busy since the new owners took over, I always have to pay 1000 p to get in, but the quality of talent there never disappoints.
Gramercy 71 is just not a good place if you're solo, people tend to stick to their table areas which makes it difficult to target isolate a target (and it's quite bright). The terrace bar area is cool for a drink and a good look at the skyline.
Revel is basically a slightly smaller version of Valkyrie, but exactly the same crowd.
As I've mentioned before, if you're on your own, the key is to be confident, smiley, friendly and patient. Even if you feel things aren't going your way at 1 am, it can all change quick as girls starting hitting the bacardi hard.
No disrespect to your friends but that's utter horseshit. NAIA T3 to Makati has never taken longer than 30 minutes even at 8 pm at night. You're basically on the Skyway for 10 minutes, then 10 minutes through EDSA (which admittedly gets a big snarly sometimes) and then you're in Makati.
I personally don't stay in hotels anymore, I just find the benefits of a rented condo far outweigh even 5* hotels. For a start you can normally snag a high quality 1 Bedroom condo for less than $100. This means that you have way more space than a standard hotel room, way more privacy and better security (less intrusive but nonetheless on the ball). And you can fill your fridge with whatever goodies you or your lass may desire without resorting to room service constantly.
I prefer Rockwell to Makati proper because it's quieter, safer and it's literally 5 minutes in a cab to P Burgos / Poblacion, or 15 minutes to the Fort. AirBNB serves all my needs in this respect.
Uber is cheap, easy to use and mostly hassle free, as long as you're not going anywhere around 6 pm in the evening.
Enjoy your trip.Great report, I concur w / others that say same! I'm in my 40's, so I think what you're saying is good for those of us youthful in only some respects. I'm not clear on your condo prices. I stayed in one for about $800 per month, 4 blocks from Greenbelt, in Jan, 2025. What do you mean by $100. I'll be back in Makati in March 2016. PM me (or others working in Makati and of general similar age). I have good connects for meeting girls. I'll be working from there for 3 months.
Wander Luster
01-01-16, 09:51
Hi Guys, I just got back from my Spring 2015 Trip 10 days ago. It was fucking amazing. I met so many great gals everywhere I went and had a blast. Now, for my first post since returning home, I want to talk about why I like Makati and Burgos Street. I believe it is a worthy subject. I will try to post my trip report at a later date. It will be a daunting task to write it up as I was travelling for 7 weeks and visited Jakarta, BKK, Phnom Penh, Macau, Makati and Palawan.
AC bar girls are universally cheaper than Burgos bar girls and while LT is still the default AC time, this is slowly changing, sadly. Meanwhile on Burgos, the time frame will be assumed to be ST unless otherwise agreed upon, but I have found that on a 2nd or 3rd date my Burgos Bar girls freely give me a modified ST (3 or 4 hours) and basically they stay as long as I want them too with no additional charge unless they stay overnight. I do feed them. LOL. It should be noted, however, that the Burgos barfine includes the lady drinks. For example: in Bottoms: the barfine is 3900p OR 10 lady drinks (Tequila or Jack and Coke) or any combination there of. So if you order your girl 10 Tequilas, you pay 3900p barfine nothing more and the 10 lady drinks are free. If you order your girl 1 Tequila, you pay 3900p barfine and the 1 lady drink is free. And if you order your girl 11 Tequilas, you pay 3900p barfine plus 390p for the 11th lady drink. Meanwhile your tab grows becasue you are charged for YOUR drinks. In Plan "B" it is the same billing structure only the barfine is 2900p I believe so 10 lady drinks adds up to 290 each. You only pay for the lady drinks if you do not barfine the girl. Also the girl's sexual service charge is loosely pinned to the barfine. In other words, girls in Bottoms will want 4000p for ST. Girls in Plan "B" will want 3000p. And girls in Rogues will want 2000p. Roughly.
Tough to understand your POW. These girls charge 2-5 X more than anywhere else in PH? AC is 1/2 and they are from provinces. So they are not as world-ly, which I like, but are super sweet which I also like.
Wander Luster
01-01-16, 10:04
That's interesting. I went to the Hyatt City of Dreams on a Friday night in October to check things out. I brought my favorite Bottoms girl along for company. Ha Ha. It was just a scouting mission. Anyway, we went to Pangaea first. It was around 11:30 pm. The place was more than half empty. There were no single or duo sets of girls. Rather there were several large groups of friends gathered separately in the VIP seating areas. I saw two different groups of girls, each group consisting of 6 or 7 friends. That IMHO is a very tough crowd to break into, 6 or 7 amateur girls siting, drinking, and dancing together, and I was very glad I was with my little P4 P honey that night.
Soon we got bored at Pangaea and I wanted to check out Chaos next door, but there was some DJ special show scheduled that night and a line of well dressed, Philippine couples mostly, although there were a few sets of very well dressed girls, two or three per set, lined up at the front door waiting to go in. I asked the host what was going on and he informed me about some "famous" DJ's from Germany that were performing this night. I guess that was supposed to impress me, but I never heard of them before and didn't care. Anyway, because of the "international" entertainment, the entrance fee that night was quite high, 1000 p per person regardless of sex just to get inside, no drinks included. Pangea charged me a 500 p cover, but that included a Tequila or one of the other listed drinks on their menu. My girl was a no charge in Pangea, although I bought her a Tequila as well. Based on the couples I saw lined up to go into Chaos, I was very reluctant to pay the entrance fee and when I realized that my girl was having a similar reaction, we happily passed on it and went back to my hotel.
So my take on these two City of Dreams bars is that they are not very good pick up joints, but I will defer to you on this CallSign. This is more your area of expertise and cup of tea than mine. I am much more familiar and happy with P4 P. I thought the City of Dreams bars would have FL's. Maybe it was just a bad night when I went there, or maybe I should have gone solo, or maybe I am just spoiled by truly great international hotel FL pickup bars like CJ's at the Mulia in Jakarta. Now that joint has GIRLS! Hundreds of them, pros and amateurs alike, every night.The PH is first and foremost TRIBAL. Why is the country a #FAIL compared to elsewhere in SEA?. TRIBAL. That means meeting girls on a weekend that are in a bar or club is more tough vs. Other countries. They're with a close-knit tribe, especially if they are from a decent family income-wise. Bars for good girls in the PH are few and far between.
Wander Luster
01-02-16, 04:37
I was in Manila for business for 10 days at end of Novemeber and beginning of December 2015. First time here. Read some of the posts here to prepare. Here's my experiences.
Note. Using a conversion of 40 pesos to 1 USD. The rate was better than that but for ease of doing the math I used 4. English is widely spoken here. From the girls, to taxi drivers, to restaurant staff, store clerks, etc.
.Fantastic report, DD.
I was staying several blocks from Club Havana last Jan and Feb. I walked by almost every night on way home from working at night or meeting someone at Greenbelt. I also took about 3 girls home from there. I didn't find any of them remarkable. One was good.
I'm going back to Mackati in the next couple months to work from there.
LA Cafe not mentioned in your report I think. Most guys don't like it. For me, I like to pick needles out of haystacks. So, there are 3-4 x more women at LA cafe, and overall they're no way as good looking as Havana. There are more girls w / little experience pay 4 play and also more WITH experience. Maybe it's just that I've spend so much time over the years in the PH, but LA Cafe seems like better success for me if I spend time on my game. There's a "game" with these places (or even bar girls) that's totally different, of course, than picking up girls in bars / clubs where no money is involved.
As for the clubs, I liked them. But they seem way over-priced. Not sure what costs are in Bangkok now, for example. Cebu City 8 years ago was $100 for the most exclusive clubs with 9's. For 8's and having to spend more time finding them, it was less than 40 USD.
Member #4698
01-02-16, 04:49
Tough to understand your POW. These girls charge 2-5 X more than anywhere else in PH? AC is 1/2 and they are from provinces. So they are not as world-ly, which I like, but are super sweet which I also like.The thing is everybody has different tastes. My 7. 5 star girls may be your 5. 5 star girls and vice a versa. I like girls with very pretty faces and smoking hot bodies with natural Asian "A" cup and "be" cup breasts, tight little asses, and no body fat. My favorite age range is 22 to 26 because these girls still have great bodies, but they have also been broken in. They know how to suck a cock and most are not dick scared. My 2nd favorite age range is 18 to 22. These girls can have really hot bodies and can be very sweet, but their inexperience can lead to some less quality shagging. I have learned to be patient with the young girls, 18 to 22. It pays off in the end, but all things being equal, I would rather be with a girl who is ready to shag and get wild from the get go, hence my age preference.
So I think my POV is easy to understand. I am very particular about the girls I shag. I like really pretty natural girls with "smoking hot" bodies and with really good attitudes and personalities. I don't fly half way around the world to shag Do-Able girls or girls with attitude problems. I also prefer to stay in places with good food, a little culture, relative safety, and places I can blend into and not be noticed like large metropolitan areas. I have been to most of the watering holes in South East Asia and the cities where I have found the best girls and had the best times are the places where I tend to return to over and over.
BKK is my favorite town in SE Asia. I have been visiting this town since 1989. I always manage to hook up with very attractive BKK girls and have a great time there. As a result of my many visits, I know a lot of great gals. I have known one of my BKK regulars for 6 years now. Sometimes it's hard to break away from my regulars to meet new girls, but I find the time. LOL. I am always up for making new little friends.
I happen to like MNL a lot too, but unlike BKK, MNL does not have a lot culture or things to do. The girls are my only interest in MNL. On my last three trips I met some amazing girls here. Girls as high quality and as sexually satisfying as any girls I have met in BKK. They are pros and work in bars on Burgos. I am looking forward to seeing my favorite Bottoms girl and my favorite Plan be girl again on my next trip. I have known the Bottoms girl for a year (2 trips). She is a doll. I have known my Plan be girl for 2 years (3 trips).
Pricewise Burgos bars especially Bottoms are real expensive. The barfine is 3900 pesos for the mandatory 10 Tequila shots (lady drinks) plus the girl will expect an equal amount so the all in price is 7800 pesos not counting my drinks. But HOLD ON: after our 3rd or 4th session together, (I only repeat with girls I really like) every Burgos Bar girl I know has then offered, her idea, to come directly to my hotel rather than meet at her bar. So in effect, once I become a regular in her mind my price drops to 3900 pesos for my two Bottoms girls and 2900 pesos for my Plan be girl. Since these girls satisfy my desire to shag "really pretty girls with smoking hot bodies and with really good attitudes and personalities," I do not have a problem giving them 3900 pesos and 2900 pesos respectively before tips for 4 or 5 hours. If I could find better girls and a better deal elsewhere I would.
Now I have had some good times in AC and I do not rule out going back some time in the future. In the past I have gone out with some very sexy girls from Grand Pharaoh and Club Asia. I do not know what these bars are calling themselves now. On my last AC trip in 2014, I hung out with two adorable cousins working in One Eyed Wench. I think the EWR was 1900 pesos back then. The girls were 18 and 21. I particularly liked the 18 year old. She was a really cute spinner. I shagged her 3 nights in a row and then I left AC for Subic for a week. When I returned we reunited and we had some passionate reunion sex. A few days later she wept in my arms for the longest time as I tried to say goodbye to her. It was all very sweet and like I said, I had a great time, but she was not as good looking as my two Bottoms girls, not even close, and although the sex was great, it was not in the same league as what I get on a nightly basis in Makati.
So I think I am pretty easy punter to understand. I go where the best talent (IMHO) is and I am willing to pay up for it. I do have my limits however. LOL. The last time I was in Macau and Rio Sauna, a very high class place with super-hot Chinese girls, I saw 3 "Japanese" girls in the lineup. I found out later from one of the sauna hosts that they were actually part Japanese / part Chinese girls born and raised in northern China so they were not really the genuine article. In any case THEY WERE HOT! And I wanted one so I asked the host how much they were? With a perfectly straight face he said they were 3500 mop ($445.00). Oh my fucking Buddha! But little Natty Bumpo still wanted to go for it. Fortunately big Natty Bumpo said no way! So I chose a very sexy Chinese model instead for 1000 mop less. That's proof positive that I have a price limit too. The thing is I never hit that limit before until I saw those "Japanese" girls and realized they were just too expensive for me. But right after I had made my Chinese selection, a Northern Asian customer selected one of the "Japanese" girls, so Rio Sauna was moving the product. You bet.
Happy New Year Everybody!
I just got back from 8 days in Makati and AC. Stayed on Burgos st (Makati palace and red planet). The street has really gone over to the middle easterners, and Asians. There are a lot of huka joints, restaurants etc. Geared to them. There are still some Aussies, Brits and Americans, but slowly are becoming the minority.
With this change, there is price inflation. A massage that cost 300 a year or so ago is now 500 and the girls won't take less than 500 tip for the HJ.
Also, there is a whole new district being built down Makati blvd, near the City Garden Hotel. There is a mall, food center, outdoor shops, and about 5 hotel and condo towers going up. This is obvious going after the big money crowd (who afford such expensive places, and restaurants etc.). And with it, the ladies are charging more.
I got two massages at nurumassage. Ph. It is expensive, but for around $100 usd, you can get a quality nuru massage, and BBBJ and 69 if you desire. I know it is expensive, but in Japan, or the USA, this service would cost double or triple that price.
I also got a great tantric massage and HJ from manilamassage. Org. I shot laser beams. I never came so hard. She is an artist. And has a hot bod, but only will perform in her underwear and won't let you touch her. Fun time.
I also hit Greenbelt mall, and Havana Cafe is still full of free lancers. Many are lady boys. Some look eerily like ladies. I hope these 'ladies' know the dangers of fooling men. If I were them, I would be telling guys what they are early in the conversation.
I also hit Filipino cupid and met 2 nice girls. One was a little treacherous and crazy so I bailed. We had good sex on the first date, but then she got crazy, so I bailed. The other girl have a great BBBJ on the first date, and good sex on the 2nd date. I might see her again.
I will post in the AC section too. Bye for now.
Wander Luster
01-03-16, 07:34
The thing is everybody has different tastes. My 7. 5 star girls may be your 5. 5 star girls and vice a versa. I like girls with very pretty faces and smoking hot bodies with natural Asian "A" cup and "be" cup breasts, tight little asses, and no body fat. My favorite age range is 22 to 26 because these girls still have great bodies, but they have also been broken in. They know how to suck a cock and most are not dick scared. My 2nd favorite age range is 18 to 22. These girls can have really hot bodies and can be very sweet, but their inexperience can lead to some less quality shagging. I have learned to be patient with the young girls, 18 to 22. It pays off in the end, but all things being equal, I would rather be with a girl who is ready to shag and get wild from the get go, hence my age preference.I have similar taste in girls. I like your comparisons to AC and BKK. My "issue" is that I usually work for 3 months where I go remotely by laptop and phone. Usually I'and looking for a GF while aslo some P4 P. That changes everything. I don't think BKK (and certainly not AC!) are places to date for a long term GF. OK, some would disagree about BKK vs. Philippines on that.
As for culture in Manila, it is indeed lacking! I like Buddhism, but in BKK girls way of life can also be a bit shallow like in the PH. Also, the "get to know her and avoid bar fines" is available all over PH, so Makati is still overpriced.
My goal now is to live extended time in Saigon. P4 P pretty bad there by comparison. But I like the city and the GF potencial if I live there for 4 months at a time.
My main issue on prices was Makati vs. AC (again, never even been AC but know prices) or vs. Cebu. Crazy expensive like you said, especially a place like Havana considering most of the girls there are nothing special IMHO. Surprised to hear you think Makati has better bar giles than AC. Not sure if that's generally agreed on?? My 3 years experience living 4 months a year in Cebu was it was 1/3 cost of Manila, BUT that was 8 years ago Might take a little more time to fine the right girl in AC clubs, but I'd think quality is better if you are willing to pay more as both you and I are.
Cheers,
WL.
Member #4387
01-10-16, 11:35
I have in the best stealth mode just concluded a new year spree at my normal Makati hide out. What was kind of cute, don't know if I should be proud or embarassed, but the security guard told me the renamed me "visitor is now leaving" as I over the years here have had hundreds of victims going in and out. Well well happy new year folks. I might tune down a notch on my travels this year. 2015 i had 220 days travelling Incl 16 trips to Phils(17 if i count in the vacation with my norwegian gf). I have been mongering in all parts of the world and i am most happy with my Las Vegas and Los Angeles spree(wouldnt u know i met phil girls in LA as well, koreans and a few caucasian US girls).
I guess I said i tune down my travels last year and 2015 was an all time high spree where I sadly found out I can handle more than three girls a day. I think I left 2015 record at 8 girls within a 24 hrs time span but mostly ended with 3/4 girls a day on longer stays and 5/6 girls a day on shorter ones. Short in my book is 3-5 days and long 5 to 10,11,12 days (pretty much what I can handle from phils at a time). Brazil was great, South Africa great, China never stop to surprise me with beauties(but some visa issues makes it not hazzle free for norwegians to travel in and out from china due to one famous Nobel piece price), Indonesia i will put more force into next year and i have a few realy good fuck objects there. Bangkok, well what can i say. I have a blast here but have changed my style here and go all in on airline and fashion attached girls(international girls where language isnt a barrier as some of them handles english(not my native tounge)better than me.. Etc etc..
MrWoolyBooly
01-10-16, 19:31
Etc etc..Norwegian nachos?? Just when you think you've seen everything. I just bring chocolate for the ladies. Need to up my game.
Member #4387
01-11-16, 01:51
When I say girls requesting money before we meet I ditch I mean that. This also goes for girls I allready met but would take for a repeat romp. A couple of days ago I was in Makati and this nice 18 yo performer and me agreed meeting the next day. In late eve she texted me and asked if she could have 5000 piso and change the time of meeting from afternoon until morning (I guess that was more convenient to her due to other dates that day).
As I am a polite guy I said ok to change time of our date into morning (it took only one text to rearrange my girlie sched). To her money request I told her in bold / capital letters: "I never discuss money but since you ask the answer is no. You will not get 5 k. Most likely you get the same as last time and this ends every money request ok?" Her response was in the best phil logic way: "you are very cheap man, 5 k is nothing for you. I have other guys willing to pay me much more than 5 k".
I could not say anything else than "good luck with that and have a nice eve. By the way I remember you told me you didn't look for other man". Then it was silent for an hour or so. Then this msg is recieved: "I am so sorry po, I want to meet you tmrw". I said: "no your out. I have the none acceptance for money drivel. If you just kept quite and not become greedy you would get an fair ammount each time we meet as in gift. You can call this a steep learning curve. Bye bye and have a good eve and a nice life".
I knew what was coming next but still: "go fuck urself you are very cheap man. I hate you".
I thought this was it and next girlie object arrived late eve. Waking up in the morning i had recieved another text from ms 18yo and i could again without opening it know what the msg would say: "i am sorry, i was a bit drunk(that part was new to me)last night, i didnt mean any of my bad words to u. I luv u much. Can i come ur place 11am, plz plz..??" Another one recieved: "i dont even want money u can fuck me wherever u want i dont wanna looze u" My response was not long as in: "NO"
Just wanted to post this so you all know my mongering, even if it seems free of hazzles, can end in some obstickles here and there. Maybe even some of you would think I deserved this to happen and in a way I can agree, hehe. At least I don't get the everending "I luv you" msg from her anymore. Its been fun while it lasted.
BrainDrain
01-11-16, 02:10
I thought this was it and next girlie object arrived late eve. Waking up in the morning i had recieved another text from ms 18yo and i could again without opening it know what the msg would say: "i am sorry, i was a bit drunk(that part was new to me)last night, i didnt mean any of my bad words to u. I luv u much. Can i come ur place 11am, plz plz..??" Another one recieved: "i dont even want money u can fuck me wherever u want i dont wanna looze u" My response was not long as in: "NO"
.Good to see you doing this. The girls talk and no doubt their 'group thinking' was to go the price gouge. Silly for them.
Time for her to find another guy like you. A few weeks.
Time for you to find a replacement for her. 10 seconds.
Thanks for the post.
BD.
Member #4387
01-11-16, 02:56
Good to see you doing this. The girls talk and no doubt their 'group thinking' was to go the price gouge. Silly for them.
Time for her to find another guy like you. A few weeks.
Time for you to find a replacement for her. 10 seconds.
Thanks for the post.
BD.I believe this, my behavior, didn't change anything ex from maybe the next guy dealing with her would not have any money requests (if his MO is slightly like mine). On the other hand, and in defends to this girl and other pinays, there are actually many guys offering silly ammounts for a quicky. I viewed some of the texts in their phones and in various sites and I never can stop beeing surprised. Ammounts 5,6,7 and up to 12 k for a quicky I have seen on offer. In light of that my 2/3 k donations / gifts looks kind of bad and cheap, hehe.
Even I have very few limitations cashwice I don't want to be stupidly exploited. If we talk the "power of balance" I would like to stay on top of this "food chain" and a young UNI student whatever can not change that. I don't mean control as in a negative way. But I like to splash my money around in poor countries cautiously. I am not cheap but not overly generous either. I do like my bonus system (not anything like airmiles whatever) and good girls get rewarded higher if they silent and happy performers and walk towards "that door" without even blinking for cash. I stop them and donations are beeing made. I see obvious signs in girls silently thinking "is he going to give me something" as they just sit and sit even if session ended. I do break the ice after a while and say "are you not going, I thought you said your in a hurry". Some carefully asks (which I find cute), "can I have some cab fare? They get lower ammounts but still generous enough (so I don't feel bad about it) in my book.
By the way I guess it is mine described scenarious the cheap charlies out there can exploit as in "she didn't want any moneys", "I fucked her for free" etc etc. I could easily let 98% of my live stock leave without a penny changing hands. Would that make me the God of young willing girls comming to fuck me? Hell, no!! Their service I value to at least beeing worth something. I would feel bad about myself if I didn't donate something. But crazy ammounts like the girl in my previous post (she might got 5 k after all but theres no fun in it when she demands it upfront). I break my own rule sometimes (the 2/3 k rule) as in if I get the realy realy rare good performers I can dig into my relatively deep pockets and donate "large" ammounts cashwice. Its important sometimes to boost the phil economy and I expect the money beeing used at various "stupid things".
Member #4387
01-12-16, 08:05
Norwegian nachos?? Just when you think you've seen everything. I just bring chocolate for the ladies. Need to up my game.Hehe kind of funny but this was my new year dinner. I was alone back home in Oslo so what's better than the frozen pizza and the movie "Boelgen"(the wave) on DVD even if it is the New Years eve? No need for celebrating beeing older.
Member #4387
01-12-16, 08:24
I tell my girls I stay only one day in general so they know we are short on time and don't have time to do the regular dating routine. Thanks God they don't look into the space under the sink. It shows proof me having stayed more than one day, hehe What would be my excuse if a girl opened this door? Simply housekeeping must have forgot cleaning this space up from the previous visitor (but its all mine ofcourse).
I am in the middle of a short mongering trip, 4 days in Bangkok and 4 days in Manila, but I am not very familiar with Manila. Yesterday, I went to Bottoms around 4 pm. First, I could not get a taxi from my hotel in Makati, so I started walking towards Burgos, hoping a taxi would stop along the way. No such luck and I ended up walking all the way to Bottoms. I did not mind the walk at all, but it was just a little bit on the hot side.
Once I settled at Bottoms, I was joined by 2 chicks. The place was relatively empty and there were about 5 or 6 chicks total. After about an hour or so, one of the girl asked me to barfine her. I was fine with that as I liked her. Then the bill came.
The 2 girls had 2 LDs each, and I had a beer. The tab came to 3 k pesos, 2100 for the barfine and 900 for the drinks. I started to question the bill, assuming that the LDs would be subtracted from the bill. I went nowhere, as the mamasan, one lady server, and the 2 girls with me all took turn trying to explain to me that the bill was correct. What struck me as bizarre was that one of the girls said the rules have changed as of Jan 1st of this year. Anybody heard about such a rule change? I was a bit pissed, as I have been cheated before in AC. Luckily, the session with my chick went well, wondering if she was trying to make up for the screw up.
Today, I went to a massage parlor in Quezon City, called The Kremlin. They have 3 different floors, with different pricings. I picked the Proletariat floor, which was the middle. I paid 1,100 pesos for the room, after picking a slim spinner with an adorable smile. Once in the room, she convinced me to do a 3-some with her friend and I reluctantly agreed. My experiences with 3-somes has been hit and miss. Sure enough, the friend was not my type at all. She was plump and did not have much to offer. So, I decided to focus on my lovely spinner and I think the girls understood that. I had ton of fun with the girls, and I did most of the interactions with my spinner. I was glad that the other girl provided the space for that. At the end if the session, I gave each girl 1,500 pesos and they seemed happy with that, and so was I.
Blanquiceleste
01-16-16, 15:35
The 2 girls had 2 LDs each, and I had a beer. The tab came to 3 k pesos, 2100 for the barfine and 900 for the drinks. I started to question the bill, assuming that the LDs would be subtracted from the bill. I went nowhere, as the mamasan, one lady server, and the 2 girls with me all took turn trying to explain to me that the bill was correct. What struck me as bizarre was that one of the girls said the rules have changed as of Jan 1st of this year. Anybody heard about such a rule change? Maybe the rules have changed indeed and possibly for the better.
Bottoms is the most expensive club on the strip. They charge you 3900 P for the bar fine (which is used to pay for LD) + another 3000 P for the girl to stay till 7 am. Your own drinks are billed separately. You seem to have gotten away with a sweet deal. Did you pay the girl anything additional?
Member #4698
01-16-16, 19:00
At Bottoms, my favorite Bar in the PI (LOL), Lady Drinks are usually 390 p and subsequently the bar fine is usually 3,900 p (10 lady drinks weather consumed or not are credited towards the barfine if you take your girl out of the bar.) You then pay your girl later after the session her agreed upon fee which is usually between 3000 p to 3900 p.
But then there are Half-off times and specials: like on Tuesday night or afternoons after 4 pm, for example, where lady drinks are 195 p (390/2) and the subsequent barfine is 1950 p (3900/2). Remember, the lady drinks are still credited towards the barfine if you take your girl out of the bar, but it is a good idea to remind the mamasan of this before you get too involved, otherwise they might try to charge you 1,950 p plus the lady drinks. Also you will have to pay for the 2nd girl's drinks separate and on top of the 1st girls's barfine unless you barfine the 2nd girl too.
So in the OP's example:
2 lady drinks for 1st girl at 195 = 390 p.
plus the barfine at 1,950p - 390p = 1,560 p. So the sub total for the 1st girl's barfine and drinks is 1950 p.
Plus 2 lady drinks for 2nd girl at 195 = 390 p.
Plus whatever drinks the OP had.
So the total bar tab should have come to 2340 p not including the OP's drinks. Thus if the actual tab came in at 3000p as reported, it is not too far off from what I have just calculated and far less than the full rate of 3900p plus 2nd girl's drinks plus the punter's drinks so it was still a bargain although I suspect somebody, probably the mamasan, put a lady drink on the tab for herself. Then, of course, the OP would have had to negotiate with his girl on what she would want which I would expect would still be in the 3000 p to 3900 p price range because I doubt a Bottoms bar girl would want to offer her services at the half off rate. But this is a separate negotiation between the customer and the bar girl so it is not relevant to the discussion at hand.
Personally, I think 3,900 p is too much to pay for the barfine, so I always inquire about the half-off specials and deals. It should be pointed out that I am solid repeat customer and I am on friendly terms with the head mamasan, so many times I have been given the half-off barfine / ladydrink deal when I asked. It has cost me quite a number lady drinks for the mamasans and waitresses over time, LOL, but it is definitely worth it and saved me money in the long run. In addition, my favorite Bottoms girls and my favorite Plan "Be"girl too for that matter have come directly to my hotel on many occasions thereby eliminating the barfine entirely for me. But I still buy them drinks, take them out to dinner, and give them presents on top of their service fee, yada, yada, yada so there is no free ride. But I don't mind because they take really good care of me.
On my last 6 nights in Manila, my favorite Bottoms girl came to my hotel a total of 4 nights and I went to Bottoms to see her only 1 night to attend their Halloween party and I am really glad I went because we had a great time. At the bar, I was a good guy and barfined my girl (3900 p) and I agreed to barfine her "BEST"girl friend at the discount rate (1950 p). So there I was, drinking, kissing, and fondling both girls' bare breasts and they were both massaging my dick. It was the only time in a very long time that I can remember drinking all 10 Tequilas (30 for our table) because the girls downed all 10 of their respective Tequilas as well. So things got very wild in our back booth. The mamasan came by a few times and I bought her a couple of drinks as well. I also tipped the bartender a couple of 100p as we were leaving. We then spilled out onto Burgos and got something to eat at a Gyro Stand the girls liked. The Gyros were surprisingly tasty. My girl, who weighs less than 100 lbs, was a little wobbly on her feet and had to lean on me for support. Ha Ha. Later back in my room, with her tacit approval of course, I lovingly shagged her bareback for the 1st time. With my dick inside her, she sweetly asked me not to desert her if she got pregnant and I promised her I wouldn't. All in all it was a great night.
I'll chime in on the Burgos St discussion. I have 3 Makati vacations under my belt and have slightly different experiences.
Burgos St is full of energy after 7 pm w / the FL options, along w / the bars. The 2 top bars, Bottoms and Kojax are where the hottest talent is. On my last trip Bottoms was not as good as earlier trips so I spent most of my time in Kojax. They both have low mile ladies that are always GFE but Kojax does not deduct LDs from the bar fine and so it's more costly (maybe).
What I don't like about Bottoms is that their LDs come in a thimble size glass. So your girl orders a rum and coke and it's about a half once in an itsy bitsy glass, these bars know how to screw you before the bar girl does, I don't like it. That's one of the reasons I avoid Bottoms as a default place to operate, too much gouging on every level. But they do have some 10's from time to time but these women are usually full of themselves and want 5000 p or more, the others 3000 p. At least that's what I was offered on my last visit and I am very personable w / the gals and the mama, Cielo.
The dancers I took from Kojax (2600 p) all wanted 3000 p ST and all delivered GFE but took off right after the season was over. When I bar fine I always take my new GF bar hopping and on my last trip I found a disco called, The Bronx where I could give the DJ (300 p) and they blasted some hard rock off my iTunes, it was fun w / all the bar fines I brought there. Out of the 3 I took from Kojax 2 kept in touch and one is a FB friend I talk to now and then. She recently asked when I'll return and I said in April maybe, she says, I'll wait for you, LOL. She still works at Kojaxs earning money for her education.
Makati is a very small part of the Manila action and so I know very little about Manila's real potential. It's just hard to make enough time to explore the city properly but I've read some great TRs about Malate, Edsa, Quezon City etc. Someday I'll have the time to explore.
IMO Burgos can match BKK's hotties in quality but not in number, GFE is more frequent in the PI too of course. Most of the Burgos women allowed photos compared to the hotties in BKK (zero). The hottest women on Burgos will go w / almost any punter and you can't say that about most other monger locales in the PI or Thailand. On my last trip I saw more than a few very nice looking FLs if you want to avoid the expensive bar fines.
When I'm in Makati I stay at St Giles, a 100 yards from Bottoms so no need for taxis. A great spot to watch the Burgos St Zoo is from Pashas restaurant on the corner near Kojax. Their food is very good and if you're there around 7 pm you see the dancers filing into Kojax.
Cheers
SandyRandy2014
01-16-16, 23:36
Hi all,
Quick run down of my itinerary. I've read previous post on the forum and from what I gather. Greenbelt is a good place in Makati for freelancers. The bar scene of P. Burgos is not my things.
This is my first time in Phil and wanted some guidance / advice if I've missed something.
I am pipe-lining via Tinder with perhaps 4-5 good leads. I assume a date with a nice dinner and drinks should seal the deal. I've booked an apartment round the corner on AirBnB.
I have never picked up someone from a street / shopping mall as fellow mongers do around greenbelt. How does one go about initiating contact? I have always been an outcall guy but want to try this for the thrill.
Any advice appreciated.
P. S. Not a full member yet. Will make the investment once I get a temporary credit card. Don't feel comfortable using personal card for ISG.
Hi all,
Quick run down of my itinerary. I've read previous post on the forum and from what I gather. Greenbelt is a good place in Makati for freelancers. The bar scene of P. Burgos is not my things.
This is my first time in Phil and wanted some guidance / advice if I've missed something.
I am pipe-lining via Tinder with perhaps 4-5 good leads. I assume a date with a nice dinner and drinks should seal the deal. I've booked an apartment round the corner on AirBnB.
I have never picked up someone from a street / shopping mall as fellow mongers do around greenbelt. How does one go about initiating contact? I have always been an outcall guy but want to try this for the thrill.
Any advice appreciated.
P. S. Not a full member yet. Will make the investment once I get a temporary credit card. Don't feel comfortable using personal card for ISG.RTFF man, lots of tips from guys in the last couple of months.
Just be freindly, smile and don't be shy. Approach anyone, anywhere, slip them your number / name on a little paper. You never know what will happen 2 hours later, you may well get a text message.
Late last night, I went back to Burgos, and this time the place was rocking, just like Soy Cowboy / Nana. This time also I had no problem getting a taxi. He dropped me at the beginning of the street, right next to Rogues. So, naturally I decided to check out Rogues first. It was relatively empty but I liked the atmosphere. It reminded me so much of my favorite bar back in college. I felt very comfortable and very much at home. I ordered a beer and sat next to a chick, who immediately tried to engage me. I was a bit annoyed and tried to explain to her that I want to relax a little bit. She did not like that and stormed away, however, we become good buddies later on and all was forgotten.
About 10 minutes later, being a slow drinker, the place started getting crowded and more girls showed up. In no time, a chick caught my eye, chubby but really sexy, IMO. She also had a lovely smile, and quite educated as I found out later. But there were 2 other girls with her, and all of them joined me, among them was the girl who had stormed away earlier. She had a really homely face but an amazing body, and that would have been good enough for me. But I had already zoned in on the chubby one, Desiree. The 3rd girl did not have much to offer from my perspective but she was nice and friendly. I ended up flirting mostly with my chick and the stormy one, as she was quite aggressive which I did not mind.
But, my intention was to check out other clubs and I told them so. About an hour later, I took off and stopped at Kojax, then Plan be, and finally Bottoms. I did not feel comfortable at any of these places, as it felt like I was in a supermarket, and I was being hassled for drinks everywhere. At plan be, a girl just came in and sat at my table. Trying to be polite, I offered her a drink and told her I had no plan to take a girl that night. After a while, she got the message and took off. The mamasan then showed up and asked me whether I want a girl, and introduced herself as Vanessa. I told her the same thing, which was really my intention. I had done 2 chicks earlier at the Quezon MP and I was done for the day, or at least I thought so.
I ended up going back to Rogues, where I was the most comfortable. My girls were not there as they went out to eat something. Soon, other girls started working on me, but luckily the earlier stormy girl was there and mentioned something to them. The other girls soon showed up and all of sudden I was in the mood to barfine my chubby girl. I really enjoyed talking to her as she appeared well educated and smart, in addition to being sexy as hell. But before we got going, other girls nailed me for drinks. One of them started massaging my back without asking me first and then asked for a drink, then a tip later on. So, I figured the longer I stay the more it is going to cost me. Actually, I did not mind as I was having fun and it's only fair that I pay for that. But, these chicks have so many sneaky ways to extract money, and at times I get annoyed at their tactics.
After finishing my beer, I was ready to go and so was my girl. Grabbed a taxi and went to the hotel. She appeared shy and did not want me to turn the lights too bright. She was clearly conscious about her chubbyness. I did not care at all and tried to reassure her that she had so many qualities. She also wanted to do the deed in the shower, claiming she was horny. Unfortunately, the shower was small and not very convenient. After a while, I started loosing wood and asked her to continue on the bed. Back in the bed, things went much better, and just as I had expected, I was very much into her. We had a very good session. Afterwards, she wanted to go home and I was ready to crash, happy and satisfied.
Blanquiceleste
01-17-16, 06:08
But then there are Half-off times and specials: like on Tuesday night or afternoons after 4 pm, for example, where lady drinks are 195 p (390/2) and the subsequent barfine is 1950 p (3900/2). Remember, the lady drinks are still credited towards the barfine if you take your girl out of the bar, but it is a good idea to remind the mamasan of this before you get too involved, otherwise they might try to charge you 1,950 p plus the lady drinks. Also you will have to pay for the 2nd girl's drinks separate and on top of the 1st girls's barfine unless you barfine the 2nd girl too.
Thank you Natty for explaining the half-off system. This has broadened my vision and I will certainly go back to try this out. Clearly, I have not been to Bottoms at the right times or enough number of times.
I completely agree with you about Bottoms being outrageously expensive, but the girls there somehow seem worth that expense. Can't wait to get back in May.
Later back in my room, with her tacit approval of course, I lovingly shagged her bareback for the 1st time. With my dick inside her, she sweetly asked me not to desert her if she got pregnant and I promised her I wouldn't. All in all it was a great night.FWIW, I am always amazed when WGs or semi pros do not use oral / other backup contraception because they are worried about their health. They rather risk a cancerous growth that, even when expelled, will leach off them till their dying days.
WestCoast1
01-18-16, 00:12
FWIW, I am always amazed when WGs or semi pros do not use oral / other backup contraception because they are worried about their health. They rather risk a cancerous growth that, even when expelled, will leach off them till their dying days.Culture tends to trump smarts.
Ms Account
01-18-16, 02:48
The police raid in November has finally caught up with Stardust. It will close within the week. Sad end to what was one of my regular visits.
FreebieFan
01-18-16, 03:39
The police raid in November has finally caught up with Stardust. It will close within the week. Sad end to what was one of my regular visits.Have so many great memories of that place. Was called Foxys before it was called Stardust,. They had a nice quiet upstairs with 2 private rooms where anything and everything went. Remember very well one fine evening when myself and couple guys were all upstairs with some naked ladies and we were hungry. Ordered pizza and a young delivery boy was shown into our room. The kids eyes were wide open to see 3 guys and 6 girls naked all having a great time. Also remember being there on JAn 1st 2000 night. Makati was a zoo to travel around on that night as Ayala and Makati ave blocked from the stage that was used to celebrate the new century. Almost no customers in any bar but I had a great party in Stardust / Foxys as I was the only customer. Was a Very Happy New Year. Even got up on that stage dancing with the girls. Told them better we all dance together than me sitting watching them. Good times. Our world of fun is under serious threat from various authorities.
Hi all,
Quick run down of my itinerary. I've read previous post on the forum and from what I gather. Greenbelt is a good place in Makati for freelancers. The bar scene of P. Burgos is not my things.
This is my first time in Phil and wanted some guidance / advice if I've missed something.
I am pipe-lining via Tinder with perhaps 4-5 good leads. I assume a date with a nice dinner and drinks should seal the deal. I've booked an apartment round the corner on AirBnB.
I have never picked up someone from a street / shopping mall as fellow mongers do around greenbelt. How does one go about initiating contact? I have always been an outcall guy but want to try this for the thrill.
Any advice appreciated.
P. S. Not a full member yet. Will make the investment once I get a temporary credit card. Don't feel comfortable using personal card for ISG.You may want to be careful on Tinder hookups. Couple of the ladies pictures I met were quite old. Also lots of pros on it.
Member #4698
01-18-16, 19:24
Just be friendly, smile and don't be shy. Approach anyone, anywhere, slip them your number / name on a little paper. You never know what will happen 2 hours later, you may well get a text message.Are you talking about the FL's that hang out in front of Havana Cafe or regular girls that visit the GreenBelt Malls? I suppose your MO works fine with the FL's and I agree with the "just be friendly and smile" part for all parties concerned, but I disagree strongly with your "approach anyone / slip them your number" advice in connection with regular females in Greenbelt. A lot of high class Manila ladies and girls visit the Greenbelt malls with their families, husbands, boyfriends, and girlfriends. Most of these women have nothing to do with p4p and are not there to be propositioned by a foreigner. You might find yourself in a whole heap of trouble if you rashly proposition the wrong girl in such a crude manner. Smile at them discreetly, yes, and see if you get a response. Most of the time you won't, but when you do receive a positive response, you better have some kind of opening line ready that is not a blatant "call me, lets fuck" line. For example, something like asking them where The Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf shop is or where the Gloretta Mall is. Then, once the ice is broken, you can move into friendly conversation mode. If all goes well, the next step is to invite them to have an iced coffee with you and see how it goes.
By the way, it is really easy to tell the pros from the attractive amateurs in Greenbelt. One glance should be all you need. And it is even easier to tell the natural born pros from the ladyboys. Ha Ha. Good luck hunting.
Hi all,
I booked a hotel in Quezon city and after some search in Google found that this place is the highest crime rate in PH. Now I have decided to look for an hotel in Makati. Any info about the safety and any recommendations for girl friendly hotel would be highly appreciated. It looks like more kidnapping, theft and murder targeting tourist is happening in PH. Any valuable advice would be great help.
Hi all, .................Any info about ............................ Any valuable advice would be great help.My advice is join ISG for only $20 and you will have the PM facility. You would be surprised what info you can get via PM, that is not on the forum itself. A huge website like ISG costs real money to run and maintain. Those $20 make it possible for folks like you and me to access very important info, incl. Secure / safe accommodation. Simples.
Hi all,
I booked a hotel in Quezon city and after some search in Google found that this place is the highest crime rate in PH. Now I have decided to look for an hotel in Makati. Any info about the safety and any recommendations for girl friendly hotel would be highly appreciated. It looks like more kidnapping, theft and murder targeting tourist is happening in PH. Any valuable advice would be great help.After reviewing all your posts, they all start out "can anyone tell me". Also you are not a paid member here. Information gleaned from your posts leads me to believe you would not be subject to kidnapping or theft. Murder?
Wicked Roger
01-20-16, 05:29
Hi all,
I booked a hotel in Quezon city and after some search in Google found that this place is the highest crime rate in PH. Now I have decided to look for an hotel in Makati. Any info about the safety and any recommendations for girl friendly hotel would be highly appreciated. It looks like more kidnapping, theft and murder targeting tourist is happening in PH. Any valuable advice would be great help.Based on your FRs which as DG says are basically questions I would stay away and let more hardened mongers brave QC and Manila in general. Manila is not for the faint hearted or soft souled, you need be very aware of the situation in and around you at all times. Would also grab some Mace as many kidnappers carry knives and guns and that can turn very ugly, maybe hat will assist and a loud whistle to carry around your neck to blow when approached by the thieves etc (it draws attention to yourself).
Best go elsewhere not to the Philippines as the country is rife with the issues you noted in the FR and really is not for someone who has to ask that question on a board such as ISG IMHO.
Information gleaned from your posts leads me to believe you would not be subject to kidnapping or theft. Ouch! That hurts.
Member #4387
01-20-16, 13:20
Hi all,
I booked a hotel in Quezon city and after some search in Google found that this place is the highest crime rate in PH. Now I have decided to look for an hotel in Makati. Any info about the safety and any recommendations for girl friendly hotel would be highly appreciated. It looks like more kidnapping, theft and murder targeting tourist is happening in PH. Any valuable advice would be great help.Do you think it is anyones occupation to answer your questions (as far as I know no one here ex Jackson getting paid contributing here). Infact we have to invest the whole big ammount of crazy $20 to have the fullest access to all the forums features.
If you stay in Quezon I would hire myself a couple of bodyguards who can take urself out in the eve. Quezon is dangerous and very few people survive a stay there. One baby daughter of mine was born at the St Lukes hospital in Quezon City but I had to move her to Makati bcs of the lifethreatining behavior of people living in Quezon.
Makati is mostly safe and if you realy want safe, don't come here.
I've tried to use som irony in my writings. To you native english speaking personell out there, did I succeed?.
Screaming Beaver
01-20-16, 14:56
I've tried to use som irony in my writings. To you native english speaking personell out there, did I succeed?.Actually you did succeed. Not bad for a Swede.
... but I disagree strongly with your "approach anyone / slip them your number" advice in connection with regular females in Greenbelt. A lot of high class Manila ladies and girls visit the Greenbelt malls with their families, husbands, boyfriends, and girlfriends. Most of these women have nothing to do with p4p and are not there to be propositioned by a foreigner. You might find yourself in a whole heap of trouble if you rashly proposition the wrong girl in such a crude manner. Smile at them discreetly, yes, and see if you get a response. Most of the time you won't, but when you do receive a positive response, you better have some kind of opening line ready that is not a blatant "call me, lets fuck" line.
Right you are about the regular girls there.
Unlike the more coy glances a regular girl will give, the experienced working girls generally give the working-girl stare, a direct and unbroken look right at you. And they grab your dick.
.....I agree with the "just be friendly and smile" part for all parties concerned, but I disagree strongly with your "approach anyone / slip them your number" advice in connection with regular females in Greenbelt..... ....I did not think I had to add "Use your head" (the one on top of your neck)! Obviously.
Chocha Monger
01-23-16, 10:26
From time to time reports surface about Makati hoar houses aka dorms, casas, etc. Many of these reports claim that these places are filled with college students out to make some quick pesos to pay the tuition bill. But what is the truth?
Here is what you will really find in the hoar houses on Araro Street:
1. Nondescript looking houses with muscled Flip thugs out front. Entrances may be concealed by plants and open into narrow corridors leading to a door that opens into the living room filled with sofas. You will be asked to enter first meaning thugs are behind you and if something goes wrong you will have to fight your way through 3 or 4 of them to make your escape. There are additional thugs ahead inside the building meaning you will be trapped to the front and the rear.
2. Narrow corridors lead to a door that opens into a living room filled with several worn sofas. About 10 to 15 hoes will be asleep on these sofas or busy painting their faces and arranging their hair for the evening. The pimps will holler for a line up then you must make your way around the room examining the meat.
3. Street meat of low quality. All have significant baby damage, rice bellies, and dropped tits. You can find the same in LA Café or Amazonia for less without the middleman and the danger. The hoes seem strung out on shabu or otherwise crazy. They are high mileage getting banged by locals and tourists alike. All are late-20's to early-30's in age. Girls are hardcore hoes from the provinces. Some are former AC, EDSA, and Burgos bar girls who grew too old in the game without a retirement plan.
4. Hoar houses within walking distance of each other. However, hoar house hopping on foot is probably not good idea if solo.
5. Tuberculosis? Many of the hoes were coughing. No health checks or chest x-rays like in the gogo bars or KTVs. Probably a high risk of catching some exotic diseases.
6. Exactly what Red Kilt described in his report on casas. Not worth your time as a foreigner unless you enjoy dredging up street meat from the bottom of the barrel and living dangerously.
I'm planning my first trip to Makati in a few months. I've read the forums for years and have a good idea what I'm doing except I do have one question that I haven't seen an answer for yet. Do most bargirls have a toothbrush in their purse? Do they brush their teeth after you barfine them? I'm considering just buying a bunch of cheap toothbrushes if they don't and a bottle of Listerine. I like a girl with a nice clean mouth.
Blanquiceleste
01-23-16, 17:35
I'm planning my first trip to Makati in a few months. I've read the forums for years and have a good idea what I'm doing except I do have one question that I haven't seen an answer for yet. Do most bargirls have a toothbrush in their purse? Do they brush their teeth after you barfine them? I'm considering just buying a bunch of cheap toothbrushes if they don't and a bottle of Listerine. I like a girl with a nice clean mouth.Don't count of the girls to carry a toothbrush. If this is something that you are particular about get some cheap toothbrushes along and / or a bottle of Listerine. If you don't want to buy then most hotels provide toothbrushes for guests or supply one when you call housekeeping for it.
Insist on the girl brushing their teeth before getting into bed and that way you won't be disappointed. Maybe even lead by example?
Have fun. I must say this was a real curve ball. I don't think anyone has asked this question before!!
Member #4698
01-23-16, 17:49
I don't keep stats on this, but a majority of my girls brush their teeth before showering in preparation for the big event. All the hotels where I stay in major cities provide complimentary toothbrushes. I recommend the Philips Sonicare electric toothbrush to all you punters out there. It keeps the plaque under control. Listerine mouth wash is also very important. I hate bad breath on a woman. I believe they feel the same way about a man.
Member #4387
01-23-16, 19:47
I don't keep stats on this, but a majority of my girls brush their teeth before showering in preparation for the big event. All the hotels where I stay in major cities provide complimentary toothbrushes. I recommend the Philips Sonicare electric toothbrush to all you punters out there. It keeps the plaque under control. Listerine mouth wash is also very important. I hate bad breath on a woman. I believe they feel the same way about a man.I don't say it a perfect science but to me its of major importance that girls have fresh breath. If they brush or not I don't care but my minimum standards is a good mouthful of Listerine. I have over the years stocked up toothbrushes from toiletmaps provided flying biz (contains toothbrushes and often I ask for the female variant as many girl enjoy a certain Bulgari perfume provided by Emirates). This was a good point brought up by a fellow mongerer.
And to add another point, having a few days in BKK recently, thaigirls shower almost to much. U could view philgirls as a lot more filthy than A Thai one but its realy to much sometimes what the Thaigirls do in the shower department. It feels sometimes they have to take a shower everytime we change position. In that way i like the phil style better. I feel sometimes the neverending shower sessions interupts boning the girls quite a bit. But ofcourse i like clean so we should probably applaude thaigirls beeing probably the cleanest ones on this planet. I just want to adress quite a bit difference between Thai and Phils. Not that, atleast my philgirls, they are filthy in anyway. Just an observation without keeping a close stats on the subject..
FunForUnMe
01-23-16, 23:48
Hi all,
I booked a hotel in Quezon city and after some search in Google found that this place is the highest crime rate in PH. Now I have decided to look for an hotel in Makati. Any info about the safety and any recommendations for girl friendly hotel would be highly appreciated. It looks like more kidnapping, theft and murder targeting tourist is happening in PH. Any valuable advice would be great help.Quezone is a safe place if you will not make any mistake out there. I just returned back from Manila and worked in Quezon City (Arneta Center, GateWay Mall Cubao). You will find Quezone a good place. Hope you didn't booked Eurotel or Fernandina hotel there, as these hotels are all time suck. But Quezon is better place for leaving and has all sort of food courts (McDonnalds, KFC, Pizzahut, Jollebee etc) and have good bars as well like Paddy's point. Good strip clubs like Barthilina. They are cheap and you will like it instead of Makati.
If you are really concern about your security then shift to Mandalyoung distric. There you have options of good hotel. Like BSA Twin tower, Malaya, Oakwood. Also, there are good malls as well for shopping and late night eating.
You can PM me in case you need any support there. I have many friends there. Specially Chicks.
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Blanquiceleste
01-24-16, 04:39
....I don't say it a perfect science but to me its of major importance that girls have fresh breath. If they brush or not I don't care but my minimum standards is a good mouthful of Listerine.
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....thaigirls beeing probably the cleanest ones on this planet.
I don't keep stats on this, but a majority of my girls brush their teeth before showering in preparation for the big event. All the hotels where I stay in major cities provide complimentary toothbrushes. I recommend the Philips Sonicare electric toothbrush to all you punters out there. It keeps the plaque under control. Listerine mouth wash is also very important. I hate bad breath on a woman. I believe they feel the same way about a man.Well said Skogis & Natty. I too have an opinion that the Thai girls, while possible being the cleanest on this planet, can be a bit annoying with the bathing ritual. Pinays are less hygienic IMHO. I always carry brushes, mouthwash, shampoo, bodywash, showercaps and loofahs for the girls when I travel. No excuses. You might call me pedantic.
P.S. _ Thanks for the recommendation on the electric toothbrush. Just curious, does it work on batteries? Or is it just electric, as in does it have to be plugged in like a shaver?
MrWoolyBooly
01-24-16, 05:26
From time to time reports surface about Makati hoar houses aka dorms, casas, etc. Many of these reports claim that these places are filled with college students out to make some quick pesos to pay the tuition bill. But what is the truth?
Here is what you will really find in the hoar houses on Araro Street:
Thanks for the candid observations on quality and safety. I've stayed on nearby Zobel Roxas for weeks without venturing the three or so blocks toward Araro. Zobel Roxas seems like a basic middle-class (by Ph standards) safe place without a thug or working lady to be seen. Zero night life outside of typical local residents having a bite or drink. I always thought houses of available college students were more fantasy than reality. Your report confirms. I'll stick to FB etc to meet friendly college ladies.
Most bar girls do, but I always have some extras just in case. Several times I've had gals ask me if I have a hair brush. I just smile. I haven't owned a hair brush in two decades.
Don't count of the girls to carry a toothbrush. If this is something that you are particular about get some cheap toothbrushes along and / or a bottle of Listerine. If you don't want to buy then most hotels provide toothbrushes for guests or supply one when you call housekeeping for it.
Insist on the girl brushing their teeth before getting into bed and that way you won't be disappointed. Maybe even lead by example?
Have fun. I must say this was a real curve ball. I don't think anyone has asked this question before!!
Errol Flynn
01-24-16, 19:50
I'm planning my first trip to Makati in a few months. I've read the forums for years and have a good idea what I'm doing except I do have one question that I haven't seen an answer for yet. Do most bargirls have a toothbrush in their purse? Do they brush their teeth after you barfine them? I'm considering just buying a bunch of cheap toothbrushes if they don't and a bottle of Listerine. I like a girl with a nice clean mouth.Brushing can irritate gum sores and create minor bleeding. You should stick with a good anti-bacterial mouthwash and lead by example.
BrainDrain
01-24-16, 20:44
Brushing can irritate gum sores and create minor bleeding. You should stick with a good anti-bacterial mouthwash and lead by example.Ph hotel rooms usually have two brushes per room service.
I buy a bottle of mouthwash and leave it in the bathroom.
Many girls carry everything they need though.
BD.
Member #4698
01-25-16, 01:46
on the electric toothbrush. Just curious, does it work on batteries? Or is it just electric, as in does it have to be plugged in like a shaver?The Philips Sonicare electric toothbrush comes with rechargeable batteries permanently sealed in its handle. The tooth brush comes with a charger base for home use and a handy portable charger and compact travel case for on the road. A full charge lasts for at least 10 days. The charger can handle anything from 110 V to 240 v. Leave it plugged in overnight for a full charge. The brushes should be replaced every 6 months. They cost around $12 for a 4 pack (2 year supply). My Sonicare has been running fine for over 5 years so it is has been a very good investment in my personal hygiene IMHO. Get one. You will notice the improvement over regular brushing in 3 months.
FreebieFan
01-25-16, 01:53
The Philips Sonicare electric toothbrush comes with rechargeable batteries permanently sealed in its handle. The tootbrush comes with a charger base for home use and a handy portable charger and compact travel case for on the road. A full charge lasts for at least 10 days. The charger can handle anything from 110 V to 240 v. Leave it plugged in overnight for a full charge. The brushes should be replaced every 6 months. They cost around $12 for a 4 pack (2 year supply). My Sonicare has been running fine for over 5 years so it is has been a very good investment in my personal hygiene IMHO. Get one. You will notice the improvement over regular brushing in 3 months.In 15 plus years of ISG Manila / Makati boards I've seen all sorts of subjects discussed including car radios, best suitcase brands, even best hairbrush brand etc but have to say, this is the first time I've seen a discussion about toothbrush brands. Love the different directions this board takes. No doubt some kid in the back row will holler " but can we get back to talking about sex now ".
In 15 plus years of ISG Manila / Makati boards I've seen all sorts of subjects discussed including car radios, best suitcase brands, even best hairbrush brand etc but have to say, this is the first time I've seen a discussion about toothbrush brands. Love the different directions this board takes. No doubt some kid in the back row will holler " but can we get back to talking about sex now ".Best post ever was the fella who was worried about insects.
Tally Wacker
01-25-16, 20:46
If it doubles as a vibrator it would be very popular with a few guys around here.
The Philips Sonicare electric toothbrush comes with rechargeable batteries permanently sealed in its handle. The tooth brush comes with a charger base for home use and a handy portable charger and compact travel case for on the road. A full charge lasts for at least 10 days. The charger can handle anything from 110 V to 240 v. Leave it plugged in overnight for a full charge. The brushes should be replaced every 6 months. They cost around $12 for a 4 pack (2 year supply). My Sonicare has been running fine for over 5 years so it is has been a very good investment in my personal hygiene IMHO. Get one. You will notice the improvement over regular brushing in 3 months.
Traveler1234
01-25-16, 21:10
If it doubles as a vibrator it would be very popular with a few guys around here.http://www.steadyhealth.com/topics/electric-toothbrush-for-masturbation
GoodEnough
02-09-16, 02:17
Just found out that Plan be, Kojax and Hot Spot, which are owned by the same person, have increased bar fines from Php2,600 to Php3,500, which to me, is simply not worth the return on investment. IPad, admittedly.
I know nothing about the bar business, but it occurs to me that the price hike will negatively impact the frequency with which girls get bar fined, amd will ultimately cost the bars customers.
GE.
Chocha Monger
02-09-16, 03:33
Just found out that Plan be, Kojax and Hot Spot, which are owned by the same person, have increased bar fines from Php2,600 to Php3,500, which to me, is simply not worth the return on investment. IPad, admittedly.
I know nothing about the bar business, but it occurs to me that the price hike will negatively impact the frequency with which girls get bar fined, amd will ultimately cost the bars customers.
GE.Selling pussy in a country where it is readily available for little or nothing has always been a long hard slog for bar owners. The girlie bar industry in Manila has always relied on the customer demographic with business expense accounts and those with more money than time to avail of lower cost options. That segment of its clientèle will continue to pay the outrageous prices. Those who have more time on their hands will use other means of procuring the flesh they crave.
EDSA Complex bumped up their prices and increased penalties for girls who did not make drink quotas not so long ago. The result was a lot of the hotter girls defected to other bars or went freelance as the drop in customers made it difficult to make the assigned lady drink quotas. Firehouse in particular had some very aggressive high pressure mamasans trying to push two or more girls on the customer immediately upon entering the bar. The girls in turn were pushed to demand drinks within the first 10 seconds of greeting a customer. If the customer fended off the high pressure tactics the mamasan, girls, and waitress would all show bad attitudes. Only the most hardcore bargirls remained under those conditions, the ones with baby damage and kids to feed. The pretty young part-timers with no kids preferred to go find lower paid but lower pressure sales girl jobs.
Whether the bars survive their outrageous price hikes or collapse due to an unsustainable business model depends on how many of those businessmen on expense accounts they can pull in, and how many visitors to Manila with 48 hours or less to play decide to take a fleecing on the price in exchange for convenience. Social media will continue to chip away at their expat and long stay visitor client base.
Blanquiceleste
02-09-16, 04:20
Just found out that Plan be, Kojax and Hot Spot, which are owned by the same person, have increased bar fines from Php2,600 to Php3,500, which to me, is simply not worth the return on investment. IPad, admittedly.
I know nothing about the bar business, but it occurs to me that the price hike will negatively impact the frequency with which girls get bar fined, amd will ultimately cost the bars customers.
GE.This is insane! A 35% price hike with no added benefits. Unless they are going the Bottoms way and including 10 drinks in the bar fine. Even then I do not see this as a good move. With a trip coming up in May 2016 I seriously hope this price structure fails and they return to regular ways again (which is not exactly cheap either).
Just found out that Plan be, Kojax and Hot Spot, which are owned by the same person, have increased bar fines from Php2,600 to Php3,500, which to me, is simply not worth the return on investment. IPad, admittedly.
I know nothing about the bar business, but it occurs to me that the price hike will negatively impact the frequency with which girls get bar fined, amd will ultimately cost the bars customers.
GE.How did you hear about the price hike? Was it from the mamasan during a negotiation?
My inquiries during a recent visit- Kojax did NOT cost the same as Plan be. I remember Plan be as always being in the 3000 something. I don't think it was ever 2600. For Kojax, 2600 is correct. A bump in Kojax to 3500 would kill it.
I would suggest people visiting in the future to just offer 2600. Unless its a crowded Saturday night, they'll probably take it.
GoodEnough
02-09-16, 05:55
How did you hear about the price hike? Was it from the mamasan during a negotiation?
My inquiries during a recent visit- Kojax did NOT cost the same as Plan be. I remember Plan be as always being in the 3000 something. I don't think it was ever 2600. For Kojax, 2600 is correct. A bump in Kojax to 3500 would kill it.
I would suggest people visiting in the future to just offer 2600. Unless its a crowded Saturday night, they'll probably take it.I spoke to the owner, who is the source of the information. In my experience, a plan be and Kojax have always had the same price.
GE.
Blanquiceleste
02-09-16, 06:07
I spoke to the owner, who is the source of the information. In my experience, a plan be and Kojax have always had the same price.
GE.GE I am an avid reader of your posts but I beg to state that my experience in Jan 2016 was a bit different. At Plan be I was quoted P2900 as barfine (including 3 drinks) but at Kojax I was quoted a barfine of P2600 with 2 drinks included. So effectively the barfine was P2000 but to the untrained mind it may appear as being different.
I even rationalized this by think that Plan be has a great location right in the middle of the street while Kojax is up a flight of stairs tucked away in an alley. The girls asked for the same 'tip' of P3000 in both places for their company till morning 8. 00 am.
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Whether the bars survive their outrageous price hikes or collapse due to an unsustainable business model depends on how many of those businessmen on expense accounts they can pull in, and how many visitors to Manila with 48 hours or less to play decide to take a fleecing on the price in exchange for convenience. Social media will continue to chip away at their expat and long stay visitor client base.Chocha M has hit on the key factors in the likely outcome going forward.
I have posted previously about 2 bar owners that I know personally who do not depend on the occasional tourist in his bar or even regulars nor does he need bar fines to stay afloat. Their income depends on groups of high roller businessman clients (many from South Asia) who are given private rooms (usually upstairs) and a selection of the best talent available to keep them company. One owner does not let his girls do barfines because he wants them to be available to keep his well-heeled clients company after around 10.30 pm each night until the wee hours of the morning.
Some owners also make groups of girls available from their stable for private parties for politicians, businessmen and others (I know, because these parties take place in a penthouse in my condo regularly). There have been stories here of some guys barfining virtually a whole bar of girls and taking them off in a mini-bus, so it's a similar scenario but carried out more discreetly.
The money being exchanged here is mind-boggling for the budget-conscious short-term visitor to Manila bars, and it makes the haggling over whether a barfine is 2500 or 2900 or 3000 php seem trivial. The good girls get tips of $500 - 1000 every night that they work. The guys can consume 10 or more bottles of premium spirits in these parties, so these bar owners are not too fussed by the guy who buys 4 or 5 drinks for himself at happy hour and maybe 2 or 3 or even 10 lady drinks and a bar fine that may run to a spend of $100 all up. He is not relying on these customers to stay afloat, but he needs the shop frontage so that his business can tick all the boxes of legitimacy.
I am sure a similar model operates in AC in some places, which explains why some bars can stay open even if they don't seem to have many customers. It also may explain why the selection on some nights seems depleted, because the "top" girls are reserved for other events.
GoodEnough
02-09-16, 09:40
GE I am an avid reader of your posts but I beg to state that my experience in Jan 2016 was a bit different. At Plan be I was quoted P2900 as barfine (including 3 drinks) but at Kojax I was quoted a barfine of P2600 with 2 drinks included. So effectively the barfine was P2000 but to the untrained mind it may appear as being different.
I even rationalized this by think that Plan be has a great location right in the middle of the street while Kojax is up a flight of stairs tucked away in an alley. The girls asked for the same 'tip' of P3000 in both places for their company till morning 8. 00 am.Blanquiceleste, I don't doubt for a minute the accuracy of what you post however, my experience has been different. I've been going to these places since they opened, and have never paid a price differential among the three. Maybe it's because I know the owner, but that's been my experience there. I do know, or was at least told by the owner last night that the price hike to Php3,500 now holds across all three bars.
As to RK's comments, I've also no doubts about their accuracy. I have also been told by others who purport to know the business side of this, that several bars are essentially fronts for laundering money made in other pursuits. If this is true, then the size/wealth of the client base would not matter much either.
GE
Member #4387
02-10-16, 23:48
During my last stay in Makati, late January, I encountered one fine speciment from the female sex. Well edued and as I former special force trooper I thought I nailed this ***** and her evaluation of me (I've been training many years ago with navy seals, the UK sas and so on). How did this start?
Everything starts with a good fake FB account. She took my bate and we shared some views in how our life life is going along. I mentioned my fake life to her and she probably mentioned her real life to me. An interesting character so to speak. She never mentioned what she did for a living but having her met outside Ascott soon would disclouse all of that. As normal I brought her back to my apt and offered her a drink. We small talked for around 30 min or so and I funnily found this speciment a tad more clever than the rest of the bunch I normaly "date".
Reason; She was a psychologist performing in Makati at an office I won't mention. Not to old, only 27, and educated from all places in Stockholm, Sweden. She must have found my fake FB tempting as I have never heard such brag about it. Brag as in; wow your so totaly honest, you say things from your heart, your so sensitive, I can see you are a man for long term relationship, etc etc. When she mantioned this about relationship I was about to burst into laughter but beeing the food actor I am I found my way to guide the conversation into more like the pussy track.
I have beaten some psychologs before becomming what I became (lying and lying) and later ended as an airforce pilot. Well this girl, before fucking, wanted to do a psychological evaluation from me and started out with what she called; abuse test, addiction test, depression test and ofcourse last but not least a sex text. From all these tests she came out with the conclusion I am NARCISSISTIC.
Well ex from beeing diagnosed with HIV, my big hero for many years have been Charlie Sheen (Two And A Half Men). Maybe she was / is right. But oposite to Charlie (character) I haven't been thrown out from Bangkok, yet. Ironicaly now I live there and feel more than welcomed.
The psycholog and me ended in bed bcs she found me to be a rare case. I guess sharm works in different ways.
Note lads. A Psychologist is not a Psychiatrist. Two different specimens, with two different roles and expertise.
Fastpiston
02-11-16, 05:00
Selling pussy in a country where it is readily available for little or nothing has always been a long hard slog for bar owners. The girlie bar industry in Manila has always relied on the customer demographic with business expense accounts and those with more money than time to avail of lower cost options. That segment of its clientle will continue to pay the outrageous prices. Those who have more time on their hands will use other means of procuring the flesh they crave.
EDSA Complex bumped up their prices and increased penalties for girls who did not make drink quotas not so long ago. The result was a lot of the hotter girls defected to other bars or went freelance as the drop in customers made it difficult to make the assigned lady drink quotas. Firehouse in particular had some very aggressive high pressure mamasans trying to push two or more girls on the customer immediately upon entering the bar. The girls in turn were pushed to demand drinks within the first 10 seconds of greeting a customer. If the customer fended off the high pressure tactics the mamasan, girls, and waitress would all show bad attitudes. Only the most hardcore bargirls remained under those conditions, the ones with baby damage and kids to feed. The pretty young part-timers with no kids preferred to go find lower paid but lower pressure sales girl jobs.
Whether the bars survive their outrageous price hikes or collapse due to an unsustainable business model depends on how many of those businessmen on expense accounts they can pull in, and how many visitors to Manila with 48 hours or less to play decide to take a fleecing on the price in exchange for convenience. Social media will continue to chip away at their expat and long stay visitor client base.Business sense is a rare commodity in the Phils. , grab as much as you can NOW is the philosophy. Long term financial planning is non existent.
I am sorry to hear of the outrages price hikes at Kojax, Plan be, etc. It is a slap in the face to most good hearted mongers, really disappointing. I really enjoyed the Burgos scene but hell the top gogos in Bangkok are less expensive w better talent, so that's where I'll end up.
My last visit in October I hung out at Pashas on the corner near Kojax and I loved the scene. The exotic middle eastern music blaring from who knows where, the food, the FLers, the Kojax dancers walking by headed for work. I'll miss it.
Thanks for the good intel and CH did it w / out any put downs, bravo!
Can anyone comment on this place? I have an itch to go there but wanted better expectations.
PC out.
Econo Tech
02-12-16, 10:39
The money being exchanged here is mind-boggling for the budget-conscious short-term visitor to Manila bars, and it makes the haggling over whether a barfine is 2500 or 2900 or 3000 php seem trivial. The good girls get tips of $500 - 1000 every night that they work. The guys can consume 10 or more bottles of premium spirits in these parties, so these bar owners are not too fussed by the guy who buys 4 or 5 drinks for himself at happy hour and maybe 2 or 3 or even 10 lady drinks and a bar fine that may run to a spend of $100 all up. He is not relying on these customers to stay afloat, but he needs the shop frontage so that his business can tick all the boxes of legitimacy.One of the short lived clubs in BGC was operating on a similar model. The owner was basically letting his property pretend to be a disco club, but in reality, the guests, say 99%, were all brought in by 'promoters', who took care of everything, and the promoters took care of the girls too, and out of the the bar bill.
I found it odd when the owner was arguing over a 10% or 15% commission to the promoter, and was wondering how the promoter can survive, and only later did I find out the 10 or 15% is extra income for the promoter.
That's a world that's shut out for mere mortals like me. But it exists.
And the promoter did announce occasional closed door events, and for one, I know the primary guests were all buddies of a well entrenched VIP from the north. Solid North. Including his supposed public enemies (per the media and the gossip and the locals strong belief- so strong the locals are hood winked, some locals insist if they see each other, they will kill each other, but reality is opposite.).
And another event saw all tables with Blue Labels and the likes, nothing cheap.
What I did on a recent trip to Manila last month when the company paid for my hotel was to book a condo on airbnb that was walking distance from the hotel for about $40 per night. So no massage or DIA girls coming to my hotel where coworkers might be, etc. Best investment I made, as I could make use of the room at any time. You can find rooms in Makati or BCG around that price all the time, and all you are looking for is a decent location close by, nothing in terms of great comfort as you get that from the 5 star hotel you are staying at. Just a suggestion.
I am sorry to hear of the outrages price hikes at Kojax, Plan be, etc. It is a slap in the face to most good hearted mongers, really disappointing. I really enjoyed the Burgos scene but hell the top gogos in Bangkok are less expensive w better talent, so that's where I'll end up.
My last visit in October I hung out at Pashas on the corner near Kojax and I loved the scene. The exotic middle eastern music blaring from who knows where, the food, the FLers, the Kojax dancers walking by headed for work. I'll miss it.
Thanks for the good intel and CH did it w / out any put downs, bravo!I think that we may be overreacting here. If some venues are changing their business model, to cater to wealthy businessmen, that's one thing. But I wouldn't worry to much about prices just "going up. " Its all supply and demand. I know that when you walk outside on Burgos st. , it seems like all this action and hubbub is going on. But whenever we walked inside, the scene was the same. Maybe 1 or 2 groups / parties on a bigger table, making noise. The rest were solo guys or guys paired up, quietly drinking, maybe with a girl sitting next to them, maybe not. Alot of guys walking in, looking around, then walking out. Even at Bottoms. Each time we went to Kojax, there was maybe 3 or 4 other people in the bar, total. The only exception being Friday night, with generally a little more traffic.
It was never the madhouse that, say, a Rio Terma was. I never got the impression that business was so good, that the bar owners were calling the shots. I always smelled boredom and desperation.
Just make an offer. Smile. Be nice. Treat the mamasan and the lady with respect, but just make an offer. Accept the barfine, but ask them to throw in the lady drinks. Rum and coke for the lady? What does that cost them? A dollar? When I watched my friend expertly bargain, it was clear that the lady drinks were a non issue. Its the total fee. On a quiet Wed night at 11 pm, if you are the only guy in the bar and you offer a 2600 barfine, do you really think that she is going to say no?
Its all supply and demand. Sure there may be some Friday nights when you have to change plans and go to EDSA, but I don't think that its a cataclysmic shift. That mamasan that quoted the increased prices is just testing the market, as I would.
Member #4387
02-12-16, 20:38
Fuck, I try to avoid bgs. Since my system (fake FB) is not perfect I ended up with a girl comming my room øround one midnight. We fucked and in the best providing style she told me she worked in a bar Shampoo? Is that a designated bar guys?
MrWoolyBooly
02-13-16, 03:04
What I did on a recent trip to Manila last month when the company paid for my hotel was to book a condo on airbnb that was walking distance from the hotel for about $40 per night. So no massage or DIA girls coming to my hotel where coworkers might be, etc. Best investment I made, as I could make use of the room at any time. You can find rooms in Makati or BCG around that price all the time, and all you are looking for is a decent location close by, nothing in terms of great comfort as you get that from the 5 star hotel you are staying at. Just a suggestion.I can absolutely vouch for the two (or even three) close hotel method in Makati, Manila, or QC. Even if just on vacation but juggling double bookings. Also good to have one at the best quality that fits the budget whatever that may be, and another that's just a low cost but safe boom boom room. Works with coworkers as in your case, but can also help with GFs, spouses, or anybody else who doesn't need to know. Just be prepared to answer question "Where's your luggage?" It's very nice too to get a cleaning service in one while using the other and vice versa. The Makati Ave Burgos St area is perfect for this. The block in Pasay (I think) with the Heritage Hotel also works well. Just be aware which direction the windows face.
Fuck, I try to avoid bgs. Since my system (fake FB) is not perfect I ended up with a girl comming my room round one midnight. We fucked and in the best providing style she told me she worked in a bar Shampoo? Is that a designated bar guys?There is a Shampoo bar in Durban street, Makati, near the intersection with P. Burgos street. Same owners of Tickles bar (so the girls told me).
CallSign Papa
02-13-16, 10:27
This is a good option if you definitely have to stay in the same hotel as your colleagues. I did but after the first few visits I made the excuse that I wanted to cook my own food (as if!) and because AirBNB was considerably cheaper than the Shangrila, my company had no problem with it. The problem is that now a few of my colleagues have taken my idea onboard and started to do the same thing, they then ask "hey where's the condo you rented, I'll stay close by". They rarely get an accurate answer.
Roger Sideways
03-01-16, 12:24
Heading to Makati for a few days in early April, based at Best Western Oxford Suites and looking for some mongering fun in my room or nearby. I am rtff of course, but any suggestions fromother senior members would be very welcome.
Heading to Makati for a few days in early April, based at Best Western Oxford Suites and looking for some mongering fun in my room or nearby. I am rtff of course, but any suggestions fromother senior members would be very welcome.Hit P. Burgos street and check out the massage girls. Only go with the petite girls to avoid she-he's. Hit Havana Café in Greenbelt Mall for freelancers. Call in a callgirl or massage girl off the web (check out backpage), but watch out for scams. The big agencies usually help you avoid scams. The bars on p. Burgos are expensive and you have to also pay the girl unlike in Angeles.
I have an early arrival. Thanks.
CallSign Papa
03-03-16, 20:11
Whilst I'm delighted that I'll soon finally be back in Makati for the first time since December, I am somewhat concerned that DonaldSucks may be actually fucked every girl there already. I think it's almost certain that if we weren't eskimo bro's before I arrive, we will be after I leave.
As always, I have my excel spreadsheet of poontang ready to rock, which due to the proclivity of our favorite prey's predilection for late / non-arrival will no doubt descend into chaos within 24 hours.
God I've missed it.
Member #4387
03-04-16, 01:57
Whilst I'm delighted that I'll soon finally be back in Makati for the first time since December, I am somewhat converned that DonaldSucks may be actually fucked every girl there already. I think it's almost certain that if we weren't eskimo bro's before I arrive, we will be after I leave.
As always, I have my excel spreadsheet of poontang ready to rock, which due to the proclivity of our favorite prey's predilection for late / non-arrival will no doubt descend into chaos within 24 hours.
God I've missed it.Excel spreadsheet is far to Hi tech to me. Pen and scrapbook like in the late eighties have to do And regarding the scrapbook; it was fuckin close here the other day. I sat alone in our BKK apt, GF and baby left for the shoppingmall, when I took out my secret scrapbook and for fun just hit up a few girls from my now newly invented 3'd fake fb (thai and indo girls). Just arranging some few girls for the weekend (my GF and baby travels back so I am alone 4 days) when I suddenly had to visit the boys room. While at the boys room I hear my GF and baby reenters the apt. I am stucked with my shorts at ankle level and in a middle of a shit and thought "now I am caught". On the livingroom table I left my computer open and the scrap book with girly names wide open. Panics do hit me and I improvise; pull some toiletpaper, doesn't wipe my ass just stick toiletpaper up my behind, pull up my boxer and shorts, flushes and ran out into the livingroom. I see my GF still in the hallway undressing our daughter (she was so hot and didn't want to strall Siam Paragorn but have a swim instead). I just helloed them and slowly slide into the livingroom xing out the fake fb and threw the scrapbook into a nearby bag and put some clothes to cover it Puh, close call.
MrWoolyBooly
03-04-16, 04:26
Puh, close call.Thus ended the era of the Vikings. Mrs Viking found out that Mr Viking does more than just pillaging on his frequent business trips to distant shores.
FreebieFan
03-04-16, 06:41
Thus ended the era of the Vikings. Mrs Viking found out that Mr Viking does more than just pillaging on his frequent business trips to distant shores.Ragnar will ride to Valhalla again, methinks.
Wicked Roger
03-04-16, 08:09
I am stucked with my shorts at ankle level and in a middle of a shit and thought "now I am caught".
Panics do hit me and I improvise; pull some toiletpaper, doesn't wipe my ass just stick toiletpaper up my behind, pull up my boxer and shorts, flushes and ran out into the livingroom.
Puh, close call.Not a vision I really want DS especially as we have met and I know the size of your ass (not literally). Close call is you did not crap in your pants while the GF was there as that would take some explaining, running from the toilet like that can be dangerous LOL.
Johnny Five
03-05-16, 14:54
Hello,
I've just spent two months traveling all over the Phil and am now in Makati and about to head home soon. I was wondering if anyone has a preferred place for STD testing in or near the Makati area? I'm trying to find one of the same day results type deals. No major issues, just figure if the price is right, might as well get tested after two months of fun. I plan to post a lengthy trip report when I get back stateside. Thanks to all for the infinitely valuable posts!
Soapy Smith
03-05-16, 17:51
Hello,
I've just spent two months traveling all over the Phil and am now in Makati and about to head home soon. I was wondering if anyone has a preferred place for STD testing in or near the Makati area? I'm trying to find one of the same day results type deals. No major issues, just figure if the price is right, might as well get tested after two months of fun. I plan to post a lengthy trip report when I get back stateside. Thanks to all for the infinitely valuable posts!You don't say whether you used protection, but wouldn't it have been better to get checked out earlier rather than potentially spread an STD around all the places you've been during the last two months? If you are worried about not taking STDs with you back to your country, shouldn't there have been some consideration for the Filipinas you've been with or the other men, including those on this forum, who may have sex with those women?
Wicked Roger
03-05-16, 18:10
Hello,
I've just spent two months traveling all over the Phil and am now in Makati and about to head home soon. I was wondering if anyone has a preferred place for STD testing in or near the Makati area? I'm trying to find one of the same day results type deals. No major issues, just figure if the price is right, might as well get tested after two months of fun. I plan to post a lengthy trip report when I get back stateside. Thanks to all for the infinitely valuable posts!Long time in the Philippines and no FRs? Only one FR and like many the promises will be hollow.
Soapy makes an excellent point. The FR best be so detailed that we know where you have dipped your wick and which girls.
But if you think you have a STD ad you already have a drippy todger surely you know not to be shagging anyone.
As to hospitals try St Lukes or Makati General and I hope they charge you lots of pesos.
Hello,
I've just spent two months traveling all over the Phil and am now in Makati and about to head home soon. I was wondering if anyone has a preferred place for STD testing in or near the Makati area? I'm trying to find one of the same day results type deals. No major issues, just figure if the price is right, might as well get tested after two months of fun. I plan to post a lengthy trip report when I get back stateside. Thanks to all for the infinitely valuable posts!Don't know about Makati, but I am sure if you google it, you will find plenty. I do know that Robinson's Ermita has a large medical clinic on the ground floor. I did take some "people"there for testing. Very professional.
Hello,
I've just spent two months traveling all over the Phil and am now in Makati and about to head home soon. I was wondering if anyone has a preferred place for STD testing in or near the Makati area? I'm trying to find one of the same day results type deals. No major issues, just figure if the price is right, might as well get tested after two months of fun. I plan to post a lengthy trip report when I get back stateside. Thanks to all for the infinitely valuable posts!Makati Medical clinic. Very professional clinic with a lab and doctors onsite. Just go to the reception counter, tell them you want std testing and they will refer you to the right spot.
Johnny Five
03-06-16, 04:16
Makati Medical clinic. Very professional clinic with a lab and doctors onsite. Just go to the reception counter, tell them you want std testing and they will refer you to the right spot.Thank you to everyone. Soapy I was tested prior to visiting and I have no reason for concern (not showing any symptoms), just precautionary measures. Wicked, I do plan on posting a full detailed report but I wanted to wait until my trip was completed. Once again, many thanks to all for advice.
Thank you for the toilet humor.
Excel spreadsheet is far to Hi tech to me. Pen and scrapbook like in the late eighties have to do And regarding the scrapbook; it was fuckin close here the other day. I sat alone in our BKK apt, GF and baby left for the shoppingmall, when I took out my secret scrapbook and for fun just hit up a few girls from my now newly invented 3'd fake fb (thai and indo girls). Just arranging some few girls for the weekend (my GF and baby travels back so I am alone 4 days) when I suddenly had to visit the boys room. While at the boys room I hear my GF and baby reenters the apt. I am stucked with my shorts at ankle level and in a middle of a shit and thought "now I am caught". On the livingroom table I left my computer open and the scrap book with girly names wide open. Panics do hit me and I improvise; pull some toiletpaper, doesn't wipe my ass just stick toiletpaper up my behind, pull up my boxer and shorts, flushes and ran out into the livingroom. I see my GF still in the hallway undressing our daughter (she was so hot and didn't want to strall Siam Paragorn but have a swim instead). I just helloed them and slowly slide into the livingroom xing out the fake fb and threw the scrapbook into a nearby bag and put some clothes to cover it Puh, close call.
Makati Medical clinic. Very professional clinic with a lab and doctors onsite. Just go to the reception counter, tell them you want std testing and they will refer you to the right spot.Perfect place to go, but it is a proper hospital and not a clinic. I use Dr Echiverri-Villavicencio, a female if that matters, and she's attractive, BTW. All the labs for all the STIs excluding HPV will cost about p15,000. Some test results take several days because that's how long the culture takes. The major hassle with a big hospital is waiting to pay your fees and then waiting to be called into the lab for the tests.
If you want to save a bit money visit the Makati Social Hygiene Clinic at Makati City Hall. It does HIV, syphilis and gonorrhea.
Perfect place to go, but it is a proper hospital and not a clinic. I use Dr Echiverri-Villavicencio, a female if that matters, and she's attractive, BTW. All the labs for all the STIs excluding HPV will cost about p15,000. Some test results take several days because that's how long the culture takes. The major hassle with a big hospital is waiting to pay your fees and then waiting to be called into the lab for the tests.
If you want to save a bit money visit the Makati Social Hygiene Clinic at Makati City Hall. It does HIV, syphilis and gonorrhea.Huts.
I'm sure the pretty Dr will appreciate the new business coming her way via ISG LOL.
I've had many a Pinay bare and all were very clean and I know it just takes one LOL WR easy on the American gweilo as he knows not what to do yet based on expectations of the brothers here haha.
PC out.
CallSign Papa
03-17-16, 07:22
Damn the Makati thread is a ghost-town these days? Do I assume that all the pretty girls left, or that you're all so busy banging these pretty girls that no one has the time or energy to type? .
Have my usual scientifically constructed spreadsheet of ladies waiting to meet, broken down by hotness, adventurousness and reliability. I look forward to it descending into utter chaos on day 2.
I just stayed a week on burgos street. Lately, most of the tourist are from middle east countries. And one of the girls I dated say that they know ISIS is already in manila.
This is concerning to me as I am an American, have short hair like I am military, and wear American sports clothes. I got a lot of dirty, scary looks from many of the guys there. And most of the cafes along Burgos St. now cater to the huka pipe crowd. All except Cafe Cubana.
I stayed at Makati Palace, and it caters mostly to middle eastern men. Ten years ago it was mostly Korean men. Green Belt mall (cafe Havana etc) still caters to mostly westerners, so I hung out there a lot.
I believe most visitors are peaceful, but if violence/war between the US and the Middle East continues, I don't think I will be staying on Burgos Street anymore. It will be scary to be an American with a military hair cut around those parts. If I do go, I will be telling people I am from New Zealand.
I just stayed a week on burgos street. Lately, most of the tourist are from middle east countries. And one of the girls I dated say that they know ISIS is already in manila.
This is concerning to me as I am an American, have short hair like I am military, and wear American sports clothes. I got a lot of dirty, scary looks from many of the guys there. And most of the cafes along Burgos St. now cater to the huka pipe crowd. All except Cafe Cubana.
I stayed at Makati Palace, and it caters mostly to middle eastern men. Ten years ago it was mostly Korean men. Green Belt mall (cafe Havana etc) still caters to mostly westerners, so I hung out there a lot.
I believe most visitors are peaceful, but if violence/war between the US and the Middle East continues, I don't think I will be staying on Burgos Street anymore. It will be scary to be an American with a military hair cut around those parts. If I do go, I will be telling people I am from New Zealand.Yikes! Or not. When I'm in Burgos, which is a once-in-a-while event, I'm always at one of the pavement sisha places. Haven't been decapitated yet. *Knock wood* I prefer Argos (opposite the 7-11 near the Bellagio Hotel) because I like the booths, and usually end up sharing a booth with a few strangers who often are from the Middle East. Pleasant blokes who are good for a chat. The only aggressive fella I've encountered was a Yank who was quite upset by George Bush, a man who stole this fella's pension. He also subscribed to many conspiracies; amusing to listen to for a few minutes, but eventually became annoying. So, watch out for Yank conspiracy theorists who nurse a grudge against George Bush. That is all.
I called up and got a normal-priced girl from http://manilacourtesans.com/. I never learn my lesson. For 6000 p, which is a lot of money, it was a lot of BS. She didn't bring valid ID, and in the room, she reaked of cigarettes, was way too skinny, had a huge baby belly, and I didn't want anything but my dick near her pussy. For 6 k, I expect to be really hot for the girl. They have girls for 12 k peso, and I think these will be top notch girls, but who wants to spend that.
I also called up nurumassage. Ph and got a girl I was not pleased with. It is hit or miss as on my previous trip I got 2 decent girls.
The best was I called up one of the top notch massage girls offering lingham massage, and on my previous trip she wouldn't even let me touch her boobs. I talked her into that, and after a little while she offered up the full monte, and it was wonderful. What a nice surprise.
I love the philipines as it is like being back in college where there is a surprise around every corner if you get out there and let it happen.
I was also on Filipinacupid and met a few girls. I am always looking for love. It is hard to find. It is hard to fall for a girl who's English is not good enough to hold a good conversation. Better luck next time.
RaceBannon99
03-18-16, 11:22
I just stayed a week on burgos street. Lately, most of the tourist are from middle east countries. And one of the girls I dated say that they know ISIS is already in manila.
This is concerning to me as I am an American, have short hair like I am military, and wear American sports clothes. I got a lot of dirty, scary looks from many of the guys there. And most of the cafes along Burgos St. now cater to the huka pipe crowd. All except Cafe Cubana.
I stayed at Makati Palace, and it caters mostly to middle eastern men. Ten years ago it was mostly Korean men. Green Belt mall (cafe Havana etc) still caters to mostly westerners, so I hung out there a lot.
I believe most visitors are peaceful, but if violence/war between the US and the Middle East continues, I don't think I will be staying on Burgos Street anymore. It will be scary to be an American with a military hair cut around those parts. If I do go, I will be telling people I am from New Zealand.While I'm still in my introduction phase, please allow me to comment and put in my 3 PHP. My work has me in places that God has on the second page and my superiors would want me to think that the people there are 3rd world heathens. I always show people the worlds greatest gift, a smile and show my love.
Compliment, improvise and teach is the wisdom I received from my father. They going to have their tough guys but I put on such a facade that " oh we going to respect each other or we'll die trying" (not really). Don't be foolish and tell people your American, but don't be scared.
Let us handle that fight cause its why we sign the contract. Some dumb decisions but when I go to the Phils I'm proud to say "I'm American" (I don't yell. They can tell by the way I dress). Also I'm a Brotha so were bad bargaining chips (S / O Dave Chapelle). By the way it sounds like an interesting place. Maybe I should stop by soon.
WestCoast1
03-18-16, 14:34
I am always looking for love. It is hard to find. It is hard to fall for a girl who's English is not good enough to hold a good conversation. Better luck next time.Remember where you are. The board is rife with tales of pidgeon-English girls. Pinay don't speak conversational English (they are more likely to be able to *somewhat* type it in YM or Skype chat than to speak well). However, this is very much preferable over girls from countries where English is not taught (Mexico, Indo, Thai).
Looking for love, and mongering?
FunForUnMe
03-19-16, 01:09
I called up and got a normal-priced girl from http://manilacourtesans.com/. I never learn my lesson. For 6000 p, which is a lot of money, it was a lot of BS. She didn't bring valid ID, and in the room, she reaked of cigarettes, was way too skinny, had a huge baby belly, and I didn't want anything but my dick near her pussy. For 6 k, I expect to be really hot for the girl. They have girls for 12 k peso, and I think these will be top notch girls, but who wants to spend that.
I also called up nurumassage. Ph and got a girl I was not pleased with. It is hit or miss as on my previous trip I got 2 decent girls.
The best was I called up one of the top notch massage girls offering lingham massage, and on my previous trip she wouldn't even let me touch her boobs. I talked her into that, and after a little while she offered up the full monte, and it was wonderful. What a nice surprise..Mine story is also like you, I called up a chick from the same site and she charges 5 K for 2 pop. She was good, but not of 5 K PHP kind of stuff. Then I searched web, and talk with Nuru massage.
They asked 8 K for 3 hours. Then I just hang around few of the clubs around by the bay and Quezon and get one girl. She is in her 20's and really beauty, she speaks good English and studied till.
Her graduation. She is still with me, and spending wonderful time. Don't waste your money on Cupid you can get many from bars and Disco's. As far as massage is concern, . Where you get 1 hour massage in just 170 PHP and B2B, Lingam 500-1 K, its on your negotiation skill with the girl behind doors. You will not trust me the kind of.
Beauty they have.
The above said statement is not just a doctored story, by its my real time experience in Manila. I got other girls as well, but couldn't continue as I am already happy with existing Pinya GF.
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