Makati

[VicVeg]

To finish my rant about Makati, I need to comment on the trans crowd in Makati. Years ago, they were the exception, but now it seems they are 50% of the 'girls' on Burgos street or in Greenbelt.

A girl I dated there told me 'they don't have vaginas, but are multiplying'. I have to agree. Their numbers are multiplying. I use to wonder why there were so many available girls in the Philipines. I think I now know: the number of gay men. Many of the girls I dated said there are single guys where they work. I asked them why they don't date those guys. They said most are gay or closet gays.

I think there is something about the Filipino culture that maybe pushes borderline guys to be gay, while in the western world, borderline guys are pushed into being 'straight identified', and date girls and keep their gay feelings sublimated.

But anyway, it is quite scary and gross to have trans all around you on Burgos or at Cafe Havana. It was so bad I would stay away from any girl that might be slightly large (just due to fears that she was trans). And one girl I hooked up with had a smoking hot body, but a f-ugly face, and when I was bangin her, there was some fear in me she was a trans. But girls I know said few trans have the surgery as it is so expensive. Thus the vagina I was inside had to be God-given, not man-given, LOL.

Anyway, don't hit Burgos St. , or Cafe Havana if you are grossed out by the trans crowd. I know some guys in the states that would go ballistic if a trans hit on them. But these guys never venture out to places like Makati.

[GoodEnough]

Vic,

I've now lived here 11+ years, have been coming here for at least 30 years and have probably visited Burgos, Havana, etc. About 500 times amd I've never, not once, been hassled by lady boys, noticed an increase in their number, or been unable to distinguish between them and actual women. So what you describe corresponds not at all to anything I've either witnessed or have heard about from any of my friends. Sounds like a totally different city from the one I know.

GE.

[Wicked Roger]

Vic,

I've now lived here 11+ years, have been coming here for at least 30 years and have probably visited Burgos, Havana, etc. About 500 times amd I've never, not once, been hassled by lady boys, noticed an increase in their number, or been unable to distinguish between them and actual women. So what you describe corresponds not at all to anything I've either witnessed or have heard about from any of my friends. Sounds like a totally different city from the one I know.

GE.I would agree GE. The LBs etc are in many cases clearly LBs and while they may say "hoi" or "want a massage sir" I have never been hassled in all my years.

Similarly Havana used to allow LBs to sit at table the this was stopped and they hang around the outside but again most are obviously LB and don't hassle.

If VV is of a homophobic persuasion and gets nervous at the sought of LBs etc then perhaps his perception is different (I have a few friends who are similar minded) but none has ever hassled me at either location for over 10 years.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Vic,

I've now lived here 11+ years, have been coming here for at least 30 years and have probably visited Burgos, Havana, etc. About 500 times amd I've never, not once, been hassled by lady boys, noticed an increase in their number, or been unable to distinguish between them and actual women. So what you describe corresponds not at all to anything I've either witnessed or have heard about from any of my friends. Sounds like a totally different city from the one I know.

GE.At least six years for me visiting Burgos, and I agree the pretend ladies have always been around in varying, unpredictable numbers 24/7. At worst their enthusiastic approaches are minor annoyance for those not interested.

I'd much prefer if there were separate zones for separate interests. I suspect that the kinda-tolerated, kinda-not tolerated status of LGBT people in Filipino culture makes it easier for a guy living outwardly as straight to visit Burgos without having to explain himself. Who knows, I may be totally off base. I suspect some senior members more deeply embedded in local society can enlighten. Mr Hutsori, maybe?

In any case, with all its faults Burgos is the most 100% reliable backup plan in the Philippines outside of AC. Even a blind baboon's blue bills beat blue balls there.

[Red Kilt]

Vic,

I've now lived here 11+ years, have been coming here for at least 30 years and have probably visited Burgos, Havana, etc. About 500 times and I've never, not once, been hassled by lady boys, noticed an increase in their number, or been unable to distinguish between them and actual women. I have lived here for 1 month short of 20 years and I have to strongly agree with GE in everything he said.

So what if there are LGBTs around. Being filipino they have much more right to be in Burgos or Greenbelt or anywhere else than any foreign tourist or long-term resident.

We have to learn to live with changes in society and adapt accordingly.

The only caveat is that they should not purport to be someone that they are not, especially around red-light or known "pick-up" places. Some guys will go ballistic (to use a fellow monger's expression) if they find that the sexy girl that they have fallen for is not all "she" seems.

Unfortunately, a young marine is in jail because he was deceived and was allegedly unable to cope with the discovery in a lawful way.

[CallSign Papa]

It really is all relative. If you came to Manila from Singapore or Hanoi where there are very few LBs, you'd probably be shocked by Burgos.

By the same token, visit Pattaya or BKK and experience the manhandling from a 6 foot TS who has you in his sights, and you'll think Burgos is a picnic.

My only advice would be, don't p155 them off.

[Dg8787]

It really is all relative. If you came to Manila from Singapore or Hanoi where there are very few LBs, you'd probably be shocked by Burgos.

By the same token, visit Pattaya or BKK and experience the manhandling from a 6 foot TS who has you in his sights, and you'll think Burgos is a picnic.

My only advice would be, don't p155 them off.I have never had a problem with TS / LB in Philippines or BKK. They are more aggressive in BKK but not really a problem. I just tell them I like pu55 y and they respectfully walk away.

[VicVeg]

I have never had a problem with TS / LB in Philippines or BKK. They are more aggressive in BKK but not really a problem. I just tell them I like pu55 y and they respectfully walk away.I can give examples of aggressive / disgusting TS experiences in Makati.

I am walking out of Greenbelt, back to Burgos, and as I am walking, I meet eyes with a TS. He / she turns around and starts following me. I notice it a few times, and he / she sees me notice and keep walking. So then, I finally stop, turn around and say 'I have a girlfriend' and he / she finally gets the message and turns around.

I am eating breakfast at Café Cubano at 8 am and a group of 4 strung-out looking TS's who have been up all night, haven't showered in a week it appears, are standing feet away, eyeing me the whole time, saying 'Hi' to me repeatedly, asking me for a massage, etc. The guard didn't start working yet, so this went on for many minutes during my meal.

As you walk by a group of TS's at night, they grab at me, tugging my clothes etc.

As you walk through Greenbelt at early evening, TS's will ask me to sit down next to them.

This is all seemingly minor stuff, but still gross, and aggressive. There should be a TS area where they hang out, and non-interested guys can stay away.

Whenever I see a guy sitting with a TS, or walking back to the room with a TS, all I can think about is 'I hope that guy knows what is going on'. Else: 'Surprise! LOL.

[CallSign Papa]

I can give examples of aggressive / disgusting TS experiences in Makati.

As you walk by a group of TS's at night, they grab at me, tugging my clothes etc.

As you walk through Greenbelt at early evening, TS's will ask me to sit down next to them.
With all due respect, you need to grow a pair. Or concentrate of the many bountiful pleasures that Manila has to offer. No city is perfect, but traffic notwithstanding, a night out in the Fort gets pretty damn close.

[Dg8787]

I can give examples of aggressive / disgusting TS experiences in Makati.

I am walking out of Greenbelt, back to Burgos, and as I am walking, I meet eyes with a TS. He / she turns around and starts following me. I notice it a few times, and he / she sees me notice and keep walking. So then, I finally stop, turn around and say 'I have a girlfriend' and he / she finally gets the message and turns around.

I am eating breakfast at Caf Cubano at 8 am and a group of 4 strung-out looking TS's who have been up all night, haven't showered in a week it appears, are standing feet away, eyeing me the whole time, saying 'Hi' to me repeatedly, asking me for a massage, etc. The guard didn't start working yet, so this went on for many minutes during my meal.

As you walk by a group of TS's at night, they grab at me, tugging my clothes etc.

As you walk through Greenbelt at early evening, TS's will ask me to sit down next to them.

This is all seemingly minor stuff, but still gross, and aggressive. There should be a TS area where they hang out, and non-interested guys can stay away.

Whenever I see a guy sitting with a TS, or walking back to the room with a TS, all I can think about is 'I hope that guy knows what is going on'. Else: 'Surprise! LOL.You are either a sad sack looking push over or such a "hunk" to get such attention from the TS.

I know in my younger days I was a little homophobic and anything LBGT would freak me out. Now as I am much older and more secured with my sexuality and know that the LBGT are harmless to me it doesn't bother me. I have stopped and talked with some TS and they are harmless, civil and pleasant. 99% walk away when I tell them I like pussy.

[WestCoast1]

I can give examples of aggressive / disgusting TS experiences in Makati. This is all seemingly minor stuff, but still gross, and aggressive.I experience the minor stuff on a regular basis on Burgos after sundown. The LB seem to hang around the BW Oxford, from the corner of Durban / Burgos to the corner of Kalayaan / Burgos.


The LBs etc are in many cases clearly LBs and while they may say "hoi" or "want a massage sir" I have never been hassled in all my years.Gents, please don't take offense with this. I would hazard a guess for those who have not been hassled by LB on burgos (I could be wrong): Those gents are physically off-putting. Not saying they are not nice gents, but I'm guessing they are larger and a touch more intimidating from an onlooker's perspective. You can watch it for yourself: the bakla there are much more likely to speak openly, or move towards foreigners of more slight build (including me). Is the foreigner in his 30's and / or gwapo? Almost certainly the bakla will try and chat him up. 50+ and 200 lb+ and a lot more grey hair (or a lot less hair) these days? Much less chance those on the street will chat him up as he walks by. While all female SW are looking for pesos, not all LB on the street are looking for pesos: Many are looking for a nawty interlude. Few people (pinoy or pinay) are dying to f*ck someone 30 years older and 100 lbs heavier than himself (man or woman). Would you?


So what if there are LGBTs around.Ya. V / V I'm not sure if that's homophobia, or just a dislike of being chased after (approached) on the street. Either way, shrug them off and move on. Also V / V, you must consider where you are: Pilipine LGBT's are much less closeted, more openly accepted, and even at times celebrated, than in western countries. The culture contains an in-your-face LB-ism. If that is uncomfortable, consider vacationing elsewhere.

RK, I will PM you about this. I have a question.


At least six years for me visiting Burgos, and I agree the pretend ladies have always been around in varying, unpredictable numbers 24/7. At worst their enthusiastic approaches are minor annoyance for those not interested.Concur. Ignore and walk away. Or just stop and chat some of them, make friends. End the conversation by telling the LB you have to get back to your horny pinay waiting in your hotel. "She's horny when she drinks. I got to pick up some Empirador and get back. Later!" This isn't rocket science. Alternately ask the LB to hook you up with one of his pretty young chica friends (offer him a commission).


I've never, not once, been hassled by lady boysRespectully: Lucky guy.


noticed an increase in their number, Not sure if its an increase in numbers (maybe), but definitely an increase in aggression (small increase, but steady) for about the last 2 years. It is not possible for me to walk down Burgos, from Durban to Kalayaan, without getting touts, after 10 pm. Nobody has pulled on my sleeve. In late December, one LB followed me when I came out of the bar (Stardust?) next to the boxing bar, walking 10 feet behind me, all the way down Kalayaan to St Giles hotel, quietly calling after me: "Sir. Wait. Please sir".

GE, I will PM you something.

[Terwagne]

Bottoms was in general not up to the usual standard. Suspenders are unfortunately gone. A little spinner was fun and very active when seating with me. 20 yo and in the bar since 4 months.

A quick learner or a natural. She did not want to come to my hotel in Quezon.

Moved to Kojax where a younger group was dancing on the stage. Hardly any 8-9, but a few OK. Quality surroundings. Found another 21 yo spinner that made the grade who lived in Quezon.

Back at the hotel: she was ticklish. I told her she was in the wrong business: touching everywhere was the main point. Only liked short DATY. Anyway a great body and sex was good, she was a very willing participant. Handling a 40 kg bod is fun.

She was surprised by the long sex as the usual Japanese job is no foreplay and a few minutes sex: all over in 10 minutes. No wonder they like Japanese customers.

She later told me she goes to Kojax 3 times a week and gets one customer each time. I guess this made her was keen. She earned 500 pesos in her previous job. She now feeds the whole family.

Burgos a bit overpriced for the quality on offer. But thanks to the quantity one will always finds decent girls.

[Kaywhy]

This is all seemingly minor stuff, but still gross, and aggressive. There should be a TS area where they hang out, and non-interested guys can stay away.Perhaps unrelated, but my Filipino hairdresser for the past six years is gay and because he is gay, he has a ton of really beautiful lady friends who trust him fully, and he's offered to set me up if I was ever in need. Some of the stories are unreal, like because he's gay, the ladies have no problem showering with him or sleeping naked during sleepovers as the ladies feel very comfortable. There is little of this shyness or lights off stuff we hear.

I once paid a LB just to listen to his story. Of course not thousands, but for 1000, three hours of Q&A. These guys are much more mature and can hold a conversation vs the ladies. I'm muscular and not bad looking so I might attract my fair share of LBs. But have no issues with that.

[Aimless]

Hi guys,

Back in Makati and wanted to give you some on the ground intel and analysis. FYI this is for newbies only. Vets can skip this.

Context: I'm mid 50's, only fair shape but have the gift of gab to a certain extent. I limit my targets to age 21-30 but end up with a few out of this range. I dress well all the time in long pants and button down shirts. I'm a licensed professional and let the girls know this. I am always VERY polite, never talk sex or ask for photos. I know a few words in Tagalog and Visayan, so use them to my advantage, always adding "po". The girls always remark how polite I am and giggle. I like it this way as I feel like I can get more "real" girls and it softens them up. I get a LOT of interest on FC. I get a fair number of replies on DIA. I get very few replies on Tinder and what replies I do get lose interest in me quickly.

I just got out of a very long relationship with a really hot pinay that lived with me. She kept cheating so I dumped her. She keeps blowing up my phone with texts to get back together but I'm over it. I'm seeking a replacement, but I'm super picky. I like intelligent, ambitious, educated girls that I can develop a connection with. They need to be reasonably pretty too. I rarely find what I'm looking for, but when I do, I want to hang on to her as its just too much work to keep looking. My interest in smashing a girl is totally dependent on this connection. I'm not averse to paying for this, so am prepared to hit Burgos / Edsa.

So I get into Makati about a week ago. I had done some prep in lining up girls on FC and Seeking Arrangement. (Tip: don't start chatting more than 4 days before you depart or you'll spend your life chatting girls! 4 days is plenty. If you start earlier and don't pay attention to the girls, they will evaporate.) The girls on Seeking Arrangement are def higher caliber, but much more the gold-digger, but that would be expected from the nature of the site. I also subscribed to Tinder which allows you to place your location anywhere in the world. This is really fun as it is easy to check availability and attractiveness everywhere. (Tip: read profiles carefully as there are many ladyboys that label themselves as TS or TG or TGirl). Cebu seems to be 50% ladyboys. Watch your back. Literally.

So I line up about 40 girls. They are all added on Viber and FB. FB so that you can see if they are fatties, but many girls would not allow me to see their FBs, probably because they are fat. I stay at Gramercy in Makati. Its nice, next to a mall and close to Burgos. It has a fantastic lap pool (and 2 other pools) on the 35th floor and gym. Its 24 hours so I can swim laps at 4 am after partying. I also dream of taking my next girl in the pools and playing around, just haven't found her yet. Check AirBnB for Gramercy Residences. I think I pay about $50/ night. 50 yards away is a great Korean resto and Pasha, a great Turkish resto.

First thing, I connect with a girl I've been chatting with for over a year but never met. She's from Davao but now in Manila. By some freak of fate, she's working at Tribu Diwata, a girl drink bar right near Gramercy. It cost me 1 kPHP / HR to sit with the girl. I can't remember the breakdown but much of it is consumable. I think it cost me 1.2 k PHP by the time I left. You sit with the girls and talk. You can't go home with them. It seems a total waste to me, but if you're religious, want to have fun but have a clean conscience, this place is for you. They have KTV rooms too. You could def spend a lot of money here and have nothing to show for it. I met my girl. It was cool after all this time chatting and that we never expected to meet. I could see that she thought of me as a wallet though so I lost interest quickly. The bar experience was interesting. You could probably find a girl or two that you think is cute. If you're young and hot, you could probably get her number easily.

Long story short: I met about 2-3 girls per day from my viber list. Manila traffic and distance impacted my meet rate and, I'm sure, my success rate. Many girls wanted taxi fare as they came long distances. I often used Uber to pick them up with the remote pick up option. I didn't want to go anywhere, so I brought them to me for coffee to see if there was a connection. Except for one, there was no connection, and many girls were fat. I ended up spending about 1 to 1.5 k PHP per girl between Starbucks and taxi fare.

Uber tip: nice to be able to send a car to get a girl. Surge pricing was always in affect. I found that I could compare Uber to Grab and Grab was often much less, like 50% less. I'm not a big fan of Uber anymore because of this. Uber now has a cash option too.

Between traffic, waiting around and expenses, this all got real old real quick. I met about 10-15 girls and was very disappointed. One stood out. She's a solid 9. Educated, coy, well spoken, ambitious, gold digger. I took her out many times and she could tell I liked her. Big Mistake. Hard to not show it though even though I did my best. I took her and her mom out to dinner which was interesting. I also took her and her girl friend to Club Valkyrie. I have never been to a real club before. It is huge and wall-to-wall hotties. If you're young and hot, go here. Cover to enter was 1 k PHP per person and you get two drinks included. There are standing tables available for 10 kPHP and couches available for 20 K PHP all consumable. Do this and everyone knows you're a baller. I had to do it as I never would in the USA. Fun to be a medium sized fish in a tiny pond. I got a bottle of spiced rum for 2800 PHP and some sushi, pizza and French fries. I couldn't keep track but I think I wasted 15 kPHP of the consumable. A shame but a good time. The couch is huge. I could have grabbed 8 other hotties and would have room to spare, but I'm too shy at my age to approach real 21 year olds. If you're young, hot and have game, go here, spend the money on a table, look like a movie star, and you'll pull massive amounts of hot real girls. I'm sure we were surrounded by celebrities as there was solid walls of security around some of the table / couches. The food was actually really good. I used to commercial fish, so take it from me when I tell you the fish was fresh and tasty. Anyway, we danced at our couch. It was fun. My girl paid more attention to her cute friend, who I was not interested in, than me, so I could see where this was going to go (nowhere). My hottie dropped hints that for the right price I could smash her, mentioning she had taken 16 kPHP from one guy for FS. I really liked this girl so doing straight P4P just didn't feel right. I'd rather just move on. At this point we're still talking but I'm tired of putting the cash and energy into a girl that I know is just using me.

Many of the girls I met but didn't like are still texting me asking if they can see me again. A few have asked me why I won't date them and smash them. One that I met a few months ago (educated, 25, ugly) keeps declaring her undying love and begs to come over to "make love". Many have refused offers of cash for taxi, to the point that I need to open their purse and put it in. At this point I'm super disappointed that I can't find a girl that I like that feels the same. Pretty typical for me as I like girls that could get almost anyone.

Last night I decided I'd try to find a girl to smash P4P. I've been prowling Burgos and wanted to see Edsa. I exclusively go to PlanB and Kojaks on Burgos. They are not pushy. The lady drinks are 300 php. Barfine is like 2900. Girls want 3 k for take out. I assume this is ST, not sure. The problem is the bars are dark so I can't see what is really available. I also went early to Dimples. I forgot what the drinks and barfine were, but they were less. The bar is better lit but smaller and less girls. They were a little pushy, but not bad. Wasn't too impressed with the talent at Dimples. They open about an hour earlier than the others. PlanB often gets packed with guys as the night goes on. Kojaks is a nice alternative as its on a side street and doesn't seem to get so crowded.

Interesting aside: I was talking with the bouncer outside of PlanB. A dark skinned guy that could have passed for an Arab came up and started to walk into the bar. The bouncer grabbed him and said "No! Private Party! No go in!" I had planned on going in, so I asked who the party was for. After the dark skinned gentelman moved on, the bouncer said "No party. Go ahead. We just don't let Arabs in. They grab the girls, are not polite and spend no money". I was shocked as I'm from the USA so have never seen this type of blatant discrimination. I also disagree as some of my best friends are Syrian and real gems of humanity.

I went to Edsa for the first time. The bars are much better lit than PlanB and Kojaks. If you really want to scope out girls, this is the place. Girls are walking around in the foyer between bars too and its really lit up even more. You can talk to the girls here too. There are cutes here and its not crowded with guys. I picked several girls off the stage and had drinks with them. It was 315 or 385 for the lady drink. I just told the mamasan "I want to buy #39 a 315 lady drink". Barfine was 1900. Girls wanted 3 k ST and 5 K LT. I didn't partake but will go back. I was told that about 75% of the girls have kids. Many smoke cigs which I find disgusting. Luckily, all this can be determined in advance as they are wearing bikinis for you guys that can't handle baby bulges. An interesting aside: all the girls wear large dark contact lenses. This makes them look hotter. Large pupil size has been shown to increase attractiveness in clinical studies, so they are capitalizing on this. Smart folks here. Also, there is food. It may not be what you're used to, but I found fish and veggies. Its probably fried in pig fat, but hey, its a start.

Anyway, here I sit with a few days to go. Holy Week is coming up so I'm not sure what affect this will have. I've been told the bars are dead as everyone heads to the provinces. I've also been told this opens up the streets so that we can actually get around manila. Just hoping I'll get lucky and find one sweet hot girl. My expectations are low. Here's hoping you guys have your expectations met more than mine.

Cheers!

Aimless

[GoodEnough]

For anyone who might be interested, I broke personal protocol today and used Cebu Pacific to travel from Davao to Manila. I detest Terminal 3 and don't much like CP so I usually take PAL. As I had no prior transportation arrangements, I summoned an Uber car before the plane doors opened. By the time I got downstairs it was there and the total price, including the Php20 Skyway toll was Php135 to Makati.

GE.

[Member #4387]

For anyone who might be interested, I broke personal protocol today and used Cebu Pacific to travel from Davao to Manila. I detest Terminal 3 and don't much like CP so I usually take PAL. As I had no prior transportation arrangements, I summoned an Uber car before the plane doors opened. By the time I got downstairs it was there and the total price, including the Php20 Skyway toll was Php135 to Makati.

GE.Just out of curiosity, and just to be clear the whole NAIA and its terminals stinks from many reasons, what makes you detest T3 from T2? And what makes you prefer PAL over CP? I myself prefer T3 mostly bcs its located closest to Makati (where I usualy stay). Don't get me wrong its not a great terminal. With its sometimes long walkingdistances (depends where your plane is docking) and the peoplemovers constantly not working you can have quite a workout before reaching immigration.

I never had any issues with CP or PAL as they historicaly brought me where I wanted to go and never have I experienced any delays worth mentioning either. Approx 8 months ago I was booking a full fare / full flex biz return ticket with PAL on the PEK to MNL leg. The reasons for buying the most flexed and expensive tickets is ofcourse the given flexibility and not bcs PALs biz class is of any great standard and by far worth the US1300 I had to pay. I had to cancell and now 8 months later I am still struggeling getting the money refunded. It seems extremely hard to get any refund and I occationaly get some e mails my refund process is pending but there are no limits when it comes to excuses for not tansferring back my cash Standard of an airline is mostly shown when you have any issues like mine. Most airlines gets you to your destination and you even in most cases get your checked in bags. That beeing said PAL and Turkish Airlines are put on my hate list.

[Wicked Roger]

That beeing said PAL and Turkish Airlines are put on my hate list.PAL is on my list also after a terrible time traveling from KL to Manila and onto Cebu (no flights to Cebu in the day I had to travel so no choice) and never again unless am dragged onto PAL screaming or a very cute host and her female friends are waiting to ease the 'fear' of my PAL flight LOL.

T3 is OK and I prefer GE to T1 as I use it all the time, and yes it sucks and the walking escalators don't work and maintenance is never done, the lounges are rubbish (but way better than years ago with the rats and mice as companions).

I am sure it is what we are all used to and as I don't use T1 much if at all I the last 18 months T3 is OK but is nowhere near the standards of a real international that the government seems to aspire to. And likely never will be. But am thankful it is better and cleaner than what went before which was a disgrace IMHO.

[Kaywhy]

PAL is on my list also after a terrible time traveling from KL to Manila and onto Cebu (no flights to Cebu in the day I had to travel so no choice) and never again unless am dragged onto PAL screaming or a very cute host and her female friends are waiting to ease the 'fear' of my PAL flight LOL.

T3 is OK and I prefer GE to T1 as I use it all the time, and yes it sucks and the walking escalators don't work and maintenance is never done, the lounges are rubbish (but way better than years ago with the rats and mice as companions).

I am sure it is what we are all used to and as I don't use T1 much if at all I the last 18 months T3 is OK but is nowhere near the standards of a real international that the government seems to aspire to. And likely never will be. But am thankful it is better and cleaner than what went before which was a disgrace IMHO.Amen. T1 has been improved quite a bit from the old days (except they can't keep the diplomat / APEC line clear of wannabes), T2 a little bit better but the PAL planes much improved and T3 just closer to the skyway. Overall, despite all the traffic, I like all the terminals from what they used to be 2 years ago. Yes, can be improved, but this is the Phils where you got to take what they give you.

[Shining Wit]

Just out of curiosity, and just to be clear the whole NAIA and its terminals stinks from many reasons, what makes you detest T3 from T2? And what makes you prefer PAL over CP? I myself prefer T3 mostly bcs its located closest to Makati (where I usualy stay). Don't get me wrong its not a great terminal. With its sometimes long walkingdistances (depends where your plane is docking) and the peoplemovers constantly not working you can have quite a workout before reaching immigration.

I never had any issues with CP or PAL as they historicaly brought me where I wanted to go and never have I experienced any delays worth mentioning either. Approx 8 months ago I was booking a full fare / full flex biz return ticket with PAL on the PEK to MNL leg. The reasons for buying the most flexed and expensive tickets is ofcourse the given flexibility and not bcs PALs biz class is of any great standard and by far worth the US1300 I had to pay. I had to cancell and now 8 months later I am still struggeling getting the money refunded. It seems extremely hard to get any refund and I occationaly get some e mails my refund process is pending but there are no limits when it comes to excuses for not tansferring back my cash Standard of an airline is mostly shown when you have any issues like mine. Most airlines gets you to your destination and you even in most cases get your checked in bags. That beeing said PAL and Turkish Airlines are put on my hate list.Depending on how you paid for your ticket, have you considered taking the matter up with the card issuing bank, assuming you used plastic. Certainly, the you K and probably many European countries, have Consumer Protection laws that cover this sort of thing.

Regarding the NAIA Terminal debate, I have had few problems with T1 - I think my best performance was 35 minutes from wheels on runway to backside in taxi. Admittedly, my recent flights have arrived at 1405 from Kuala Lumpur {Malaysian} which has been the only flight using it. On my last trip, KLM deposited me at T3 {note to self: read small print} and the queue for taxis was horrendous. I agreed to, I think, php700 to Ermita to simply jump the queue.

So, see what Kayak offers for next month.

[BrainDrain]

Hi guys,

Back in Makati and wanted to give you some on the ground intel and analysis. FYI this is for newbies only. Vets can skip this.Thanks for taking the time to write this report. You are certainly in a different game to the game I play.

I'm over 50 too and I just accept that for the hotties I have to pay. I just have a feeling from your article that you are trying too hard. There are articles on this board about the upper echelon hottie, the educated Filipina with career. She's going to work it and then marry a pinoy for a good life in Phils. These are not my target.

I miss Manila.

BD.

[GoodEnough]

PAL is on my list also after a terrible time traveling from KL to Manila and onto Cebu (no flights to Cebu in the day I had to travel so no choice) and never again unless am dragged onto PAL screaming or a very cute host and her female friends are waiting to ease the 'fear' of my PAL flight LOL.

T3 is OK and I prefer GE to T1 as I use it all the time, and yes it sucks and the walking escalators don't work and maintenance is never done, the lounges are rubbish (but way better than years ago with the rats and mice as companions).

I am sure it is what we are all used to and as I don't use T1 much if at all I the last 18 months T3 is OK but is nowhere near the standards of a real international that the government seems to aspire to. And likely never will be. But am thankful it is better and cleaner than what went before which was a disgrace IMHO.I prefer Terminal 2 to the others. True, it's further from Makati, but the ground services are better, the PAL Mabuhay lounge has been substantially upgraded and isn't bad at all, and the business class service in PAL is infinitely better then anything CP has to offer.

GE.

[Wicked Roger]

I prefer Terminal 2 to the others. True, it's further from Makati, but the ground services are better, the PAL Mabuhay lounge has been substantially upgraded and isn't bad at all, and the business class service in PAL is infinitely better then anything CP has to offer.

GE.I would not disagree with those points GE.

I have been to T2 Centennial before and it is OK.

I judge the carrier by the coach class and service. My PAL experience was truly awful and with Cebu Pac so far I have never been let down (unlike others I admit).

But as I use T3 a lot more I know what to expect (IE not much) and whatever our preference the terminals etc are not 'international' class and have a log way to go to get to anything I would consider as world class (despite the government's claims that they are).

[Hutzesq]

I had a similar problem getting a PAL ticket refunded. It took about 7-8 months to get the money back. Not sure if this had any impact but I found a customer service email on their website. I forwarded that email address copies of the many requests I made to the online refund email account for my refund. A few weeks later I got a message that my refund was approved and a few weeks after that I saw a credit to my credit card. Note that this was not for a fully refundable ticket, but the ticket still had some value after PAL deducted the US $150 or so they charge as a cancellation fee for non-refundable tickets. Given that you paid extra for a refundable ticket its pretty sad that its taking you 8 months for the refund. Good luck and I hope you found this a little useful. I always appreciate your reports and wisdom.

[Sxxxx]

I had a similar problem getting a PAL ticket refunded. It took about 7-8 months to get the money back...............................................................................Cebu Pacific is also hard to get a refund from. Intermediaries are important in Phils, incl. Even in air ticket refunds I found out recently. Lady I have known for years, working in travel agency, got a full refund for me within hours of applying. Involved P17,000. She had an intimate knowledge of refund rules and quoted them back to them. Once they understood she understood 'rights's, they refunded immediately. Contacts / termediaries in Phils important even with air ticket refunds.

[Hitman2]

She was surprised by the long sex as the usual Japanese job is no foreplay and a few minutes sex: all over in 10 minutes. No wonder they like Japanese customers.The EDSA girls have this running gag about Japanese customers:

3-3-3 / 3 inches, 3 minutes, 3 thousand.

[WestCoast1]

My PAL experience was truly awful and with Cebu Pac so far I have never been let down (unlike others I admit).I have not been on a CP domestic flight in more than 2 years that was less than 1 hour late on its departure. In December, my domestic CP flight from NAIA to CDO was supposed to depart mid-afternoon, but that flight (and almost every other PAL and CP flight that afternoon) was delayed by well over 4 hours (it wasn't raining).

I would like to blame this on it being December 23/24/25, but it was mid-December.

Contrast the following situation. I flew domestically in the US yesterday (737 equipment, similar to the A319/20 flown often by CP). I paid about $25 extra for early boarding + wifi (seemed a good value for a 5-hour flight). Boarding starts 40 minutes prior to departure. After first-class boarded, the rest of us early-birds (about 10 of us) got to board before coach. In fact, I had time to board early, unpack a few things from my carryon, then hit the CR and return to my seat, when I noticed that other than a full first class, there was almost nobody in the coach section (an very relaxed situation). I read for about 2 minutes on my Kindle before they let the coach passengers start boarding. The plane took off exactly to the minute that it was scheduled. Yes, it takes a few minutes longer to board the planes here in the States, but my last 4 flights here took off within a minute of stated departure time. They also tend to land very close to the scheduled arrival time. On CP, they typically board 30 minutes early, but they board and depart late.

Given CP's tendency to charge for extras online at the time of ticket booking (ie, baggage weight), why not offer early boarding? I'm crazy enough to pay a bit extra for exit row seating (more legroom), I'll pay for extra creature comfort (including not standing in the full line at general boarding).

[X Man]

And 35 years ago I learned this nugget: A Filipina will tell you exactly what you want to hear.


The EDSA girls have this running gag about Japanese customers:

3-3-3 / 3 inches, 3 minutes, 3 thousand.

[GoodEnough]

I would not disagree with those points GE.

I have been to T2 Centennial before and it is OK.

I judge the carrier by the coach class and service. My PAL experience was truly awful and with Cebu Pac so far I have never been let down (unlike others I admit).

But as I use T3 a lot more I know what to expect (IE not much) and whatever our preference the terminals etc are not 'international' class and have a log way to go to get to anything I would consider as world class (despite the government's claims that they are).No argument WR. By international, or even regional standards, the quality of air transport in general here is stuck at circa 1965. So admittedly all comparisons here are relative to facilities only in this country. What I find more disconcerting than the lousy terminals, poor maintenance, lousy ground services and lack of amenities is the fact that a few months ago IATA classified NAIA as one of he world's most dangerous airports, which should give all of us at least a small frisson of concern. Evidently, the antiquated ground equipment, single runway, signage and circling patterns constitute the reasons for IATA's determination. The government's utter lack of concern for public safety, which is so evident to anyone who has ever seen a roadworks site here, apparently also characterizes it's attitude toward air traffic safety as well.

GE.

[PolyOrchid]

GE,

I've been closely guarding my frisson allotment but, upon reading this, will endeavor to save a whit for my assault on PI in August.


...which should give all of us at least a small frisson of concern.

[GoodEnough]

GE,

I've been closely guarding my frisson allotment but, upon reading this, will endeavor to save a whit for my assault on PI in August.Thought maybe I'd be among the first to use the word on ISG. Always good to save a frisson or two, particularly here. 😄.

GE.

[Yomama99]

Hi guys,

So I get into Makati about a week ago. I had done some prep in lining up girls on FC and Seeking Arrangement. (Tip: don't start chatting more than 4 days before you depart or you'll spend your life chatting girls! 4 days is plenty. If you start earlier and don't pay attention to the girls, they will evaporate.) The girls on Seeking Arrangement are def higher caliber, but much more the gold-digger, but that would be expected from the nature of the site. I also subscribed to Tinder which allows you to place your location anywhere in the world. This is really fun as it is easy to check availability and attractiveness everywhere. (Tip: read profiles carefully as there are many ladyboys that label themselves as TS or TG or TGirl). Cebu seems to be 50% ladyboys. Watch your back. Literally.

So I line up about 40 girls. They are all added on Viber and FB. FB so that you can see if they are fatties, but many girls would not allow me to see their FBs, probably because they are fat. I stay at Gramercy in Makati. Its nice, next to a mall and close to Burgos. It has a fantastic lap pool (and 2 other pools) on the 35th floor and gym. Its 24 hours so I can swim laps at 4 am after partying. I also dream of taking my next girl in the pools and playing around, just haven't found her yet. Check AirBnB for Gramercy Residences. I think I pay about $50/ night. 50 yards away is a great Korean resto and Pasha, a great Turkish resto.

First thing, I connect with a girl I've been chatting with for over a year but never met. She's from Davao but now in Manila. By some freak of fate, she's working at Tribu Diwata, a girl drink bar right near Gramercy. It cost me 1 kPHP / HR to sit with the girl. I can't remember the breakdown but much of it is consumable. I think it cost me 1.2 k PHP by the time I left. You sit with the girls and talk. You can't go home with them. It seems a total waste to me, but if you're religious, want to have fun but have a clean conscience, this place is for you. They have KTV rooms too. You could def spend a lot of money here and have nothing to show for it. I met my girl. It was cool after all this time chatting and that we never expected to meet. I could see that she thought of me as a wallet though so I lost interest quickly. The bar experience was interesting. You could probably find a girl or two that you think is cute. If you're young and hot, you could probably get her number easily.

Pardon me for asking but I know Seeking Arrangement and DIA but what is FC? Sounds like a gem. I also note that WeChat can be good in certain countries but it is really only for lining up massages. I agree that Tinder is a complete zero for me too. I get some likes from Badoo but I have not figured out how to contact the girls without paying a subscription. I don't mind paying but just not sure if there is a return on investment.

[Sympalogy]

what is FC? Sounds like a gem. FC is Filipino Cupid. For me it's the best website of them all.


(Tip: don't start chatting more than 4 days before you depart or you'll spend your life chatting girls! 4 days is plenty. If you start earlier and don't pay attention to the girls, they will evaporate.) I actually did contact girls even 3 months earlier. I get their phone number, and also their facebook to check their pictures to make sure they are real.

If they have only foreigners and no family in their friends / pictures, I know they're fake. If not, they tend to be real.

I don't chat them after I get their number. When I arrive, I text them. Some will act like they remember me, saying: "you're the only foreigner I chatted. " Many will not remember me but will search me in FC to remember my profile.

Either way, I find that they still will meet me even if I did not chat them long before arriving, and even if I got their numbers 3 months before. Just make sure you don't start chatting them because they will evaporate if you turn into a chatmate then stop.

There is a problem for starting that early which is around 25% of the girls would change their numbers, but I prefer to go through more profiles for around 10 - 15 minutes every day so I am sure I get the best girls, not doing a rush job 4 days before.

[Fastpiston]

I would not disagree with those points GE.

I have been to T2 Centennial before and it is OK.

I judge the carrier by the coach class and service. My PAL experience was truly awful and with Cebu Pac so far I have never been let down (unlike others I admit).

But as I use T3 a lot more I know what to expect (IE not much) and whatever our preference the terminals etc are not 'international' class and have a log way to go to get to anything I would consider as world class (despite the government's claims that they are).You may wish to know that late January a part of the ceiling of terminal 3 fell and injured an American. Maybe it would be advisable to wear a building site helmet when walking around the terminal. For sure check the ceiling when you walk around the terminal. Apparently the ceiling failed above Sweet Ideas Restaurant at 7 am.

[Member #4698]

After spending 3. 5 weeks in BKK and then 2 weeks in Jakarta, I am now having a great time in Makati with my favorite Burgos girl. I have known her for 1. 5 years now and she has taxied to my hotel every night to see me and get it on, thereby saving me a considerable amount of barfines. But last night I wanted to party in her bar so I met her in Bottoms at around 9 pm. We had a great time and consumed a good deal of Tequila. At one point she tried to convince me to barfine her best friend and do a menage. She told me that if I barfined her friend she would lick her pussy. I looked at her and asked, "You like pussy?" and she said she liked some pussy, but that it is never as good as dick. This was news to me and I am sure will introduce a new dimension to our relationship. LOL. Then, as a further inducement, the best friend unzipped my pants and began to give me a hand job while I made out with my girl. I was enjoying it all, but the best friend was not quite up to my specs, so I declined the offer.

Anyway, there were some very important new developments at Bottoms to report on: at the beginning of the night, Mamasan Apple informed me of the new rule change since January 1 - the 3900 p barfine no longer includes 10 tequila lady drinks. Thus all drinks are added to the tab. She did waive 1000 p off the tab, but the rest of the tequila lady drinks consumed this night where added to my tab, so it was a very expensive night. My girl said, "I warned you, Bottoms very expensive now. We could have stayed at your hotel" But, I did not care too much. A one night blow out won't bankrupt me and it was fun fooling around in the bar with my girl and her friend. But, tonight we will go back to the original game plan and my girl wil taxi straight to my hotel and we will skip the barfine once again. Bottoms new pricing is insane and everybody knows it especially the girls.

After Bottoms, my girl wanted to check out Kojax since I had casually mentioned it a couple times, so we dropped by. It was an amazing scene. The sheer number of girls / dancers and the very very high quality was impressive. This is without a doubt the hottest bar on Burgos, in Manila, and therefore in all of the PI! My girl must have been in a very kinky mood last night because after we had been there a while she asked me which girl I liked and she then pointed out a very sexy girl in a black dress and said she would like to lick her pussy. I laughed and then asked a mamasan about the barfine. It is 2900 p here, but I don't know if the includes lady drinks or not. In either case I was too high on tequila to make a threesome worthwhile, but I duly noted how great the Kojax line up is and I plan to visit this bar again in the near future. In a further testament to the quality of this bar, my girl said she would like to work here. High praise indeed.

We went back to my hotel and had another great session. I really like this girl. She is one my favourite Asian girls. Speak of the devil, she has just Viper'd me so I will post this update and see what's on her mind this morning.

Tonight is my last night in Makati before I take off for Cloud 9 and take a needed sex break. HA HA! I really need one. But my trip is only half over. I know I will come back from the beach on fire for sweet Asian pussy.

[CallSign Papa]

The sheer number of girls / dancers and the very very high quality was impressive. This is without a doubt the hottest bar on BurgosThanks for the report NB, seems like you might be a closet monogamist, all those nights with one girl.

I'll be sure to take your advice and try out Kojax next week.

[GoodEnough]

Thanks for the report NB, seems like you might be a closet monogamist, all those nights with one girl.

I'll be sure to take your advice and try out Kojax next week.I think that Kojax has been the best bar on--actually slightly off--the street for the past year or so. The downstairs bar, Hot Spot, which is part of the same group has a smaller number of girls, but if you hit it at the right time in the right night, it can also be excellent.

GE.

[Member #4698]

So I arrive at Terminal 3 this morning at 4:45 am for my 6:30 am Cebu Pacific flight to Siargao Island via Cebu City. I wait in the check in line for 10 minutes. There are now only two customer ahead of me when all of a sudden the power to the entire terminal goes out! Figuring it is only a minor glitch and power will soon be restored I remain standing even as most other would be fliers begin to sit on the floor. The entire terminal is now at a stand still. About an hour later power has still not been restored and Cebu Pacific announces the cancellation of most of its early morning flights including mine.

Naturally I am really bummed out. I was looking forward to relaxing at Cloud 9 and checking out some of the nearby island beaches for 5 days AND taking a sex break. LOL. So, after the announcement I fought my way out of the terminal. It was a sea of humanity and I was not putting up with it any longer. I jumped into a taxi and now I am back in my Gold room at the Fairmont. What shall I do? I know I am not going back to Terminal 3 and try to fly to Siargao tomorrow. I woke up at 3:30 am to catch this flight. The Fairmont offered to let me stay in my present room, but only until the 5th. Then they are booked up. So I am thinking of getting out of Dodge and going to AC. What a cluster fuck it was today at the airport. I have some pictures that I will post later.

You are right CallSignPapa. It is starting to feel like monogamy with my favorite little Bottoms girl. I don't care how hot or sweet a girl is. She can be Brigitte Bardot circa 1959, 5 nights is a row with any one girl is too much. That is why I am thinking of getting out of town.

[GoodEnough]

So I arrive at Terminal 3 this morning at 4:45 am for my 6:30 am Cebu Pacific flight to Siargao Island via Cebu City. I wait in the check in line for 10 minutes. There are now only two customer ahead of me when all of a sudden the power to the entire terminal goes out! Figuring it is only a minor glitch and power will soon be restored I remain standing even as most other would be fliers begin to sit on the floor. The entire terminal is now at a stand still. About an hour later power has still not been restored and Cebu Pacific announces the cancellation of most of its early morning flights including mine.

Naturally I am really bummed out. I was looking forward to relaxing at Cloud 9 and checking out some of the nearby island beaches for 5 days AND taking a sex break. LOL. So, after the announcement I fought my way out of the terminal. It was a sea of humanity and I was not putting up with it any longer. I jumped into a taxi and now I am back in my Gold room at the Fairmont. What shall I do? I know I am not going back to Terminal 3 and try to fly to Siargao tomorrow. I woke up at 3:30 am to catch this flight. The Fairmont offered to let me stay in my present room, but only until the 5th. Then they are booked up. So I am thinking of getting out of Dodge and going to AC. What a cluster fuck it was today at the airport. I have some pictures that I will post later.

You are right CallSignPapa. It is starting to feel like monogamy with my favorite little Bottoms girl. I don't care how hot or sweet a girl is. She can be Brigitte Bardot circa 1959, 5 nights is a row with any one girl is too much. That is why I am thinking of getting out of town.Sorry for your pain, and I can sympathize as I've had the same thing happen to me. Have turned around and headed back to the Fairmont. The last time it happened to me I could not help but wonder how the outage at the country's major airport, affected planes on final approach as presumably all communications and radar would have been cut off as well. You've just been an eye witness to a living metaphor for how pathetic this place actually is and how little hope it has for any positive changes. It is truly a Bush league country, a failed state, and it isn't going to get any better. What concerns me even more than the massive inconvenience inflicted on passengers by a wholly indifferent, incompetent government is the danger posed by the whole facility, which has been assessed by IATA as one of the world's most dangerous airports.

GE.

[Member #4387]

Sorry for your pain, and I can sympathize as I've had the same thing happen to me. Have turned around and headed back to the Fairmont. The last time it happened to me I could not help but wonder how the outage at the country's major airport, affected planes on final approach as presumably all communications and radar would have been cut off as well. You've just been an eye witness to a living metaphor for how pathetic this place actually is and how little hope it has for any positive changes. It is truly a Bush league country, a failed state, and it isn't going to get any better. What concerns me even more than the massive inconvenience inflicted on passengers by a wholly indifferent, incompetent government is the danger posed by the whole facility, which has been assessed by IATA as one of the world's most dangerous airports.

GE.In my knowledge as an IATA membered airport, which all intl airports are (even if this is amongst the worst), they have to have emergency powers for major ground operational features like approachsystems for incoming aircrafts, radars etc etc. But ofcourse this beeing the flips and everything maybe some corrupted airport official brought the emergency power aggragate back to his weekend residence.

[CallSign Papa]

5 nights is a row with any one girl is too much.Glad to see your sanity has been restored.

Sorry to hear about the trip, maybe that's God's way of saying you need to get laid a few more times.

[Member #4387]

I don't get it but I guess we are different in many ways. 5 days in a row I can only handle with my designated domestic GF (and hardly that I might add bcs her pussy becomes boring after that and I crave for new pukie). In my book 5 hrs, ex from overnighters which incl sleeping, is to long time with all the pussy walking the streets of Makati.
And to my critics; this is meant from an humoristic angle..

[Wicked Roger]

So I arrive at Terminal 3 this morning at 4:45 am for my 6:30 am Cebu Pacific flight to Siargao Island via Cebu City. I wait in the check in line for 10 minutes. There are now only two customer ahead of me when all of a sudden the power to the entire terminal goes out! Figuring it is only a minor glitch and power will soon be restored I remain standing even as most other would be fliers begin to sit on the floor. The entire terminal is now at a stand still. About an hour later power has still not been restored and Cebu Pacific announces the cancellation of most of its early morning flights including mine..http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2016/04/04/1569203/naia-3-blackout-strands-thousands-82-flights-canceled

You mean am or pm as the outage was around 8 pm to 2 am or there abouts.

Friends traveling on the evening EK plane had issues.

Whatever, the fact is that the blame game starts as always but the embarrassment is that the airport has not enough capacity in it generators!! The man in charge is related to PNoy and the Minister is one of his best buddies. Enough said?

The government may even fine the airlines for not taking off LOL. Such is the pathetic nature as GE says it will try place blame anywhere except on those who deserve. And the paying public are the ones who suffer the most.

I use T3 a lot (as does DS) and this would seriously [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) me off as IATA standards seem to apply differently or at least the PNoy administration interprets them differently LOL.

[X Man]

So I arrive at Terminal 3 this morning at 4:45 am for my 6:30 am Cebu Pacific flight to Siargao Island via Cebu City. SNIP I'd love to read a Siargao field report if you ever get there. I had the misfortune of going thru the Manila airport four times last month. My international flight to Manila arrived on time, but the other three flights were all delayed 30 to 90 minutes.

[Member #4387]

Nothing else going on in the Makatithread so why not debate the Naia some more. If people check in Prune forum (designated aviator forum) Naia gets a hell of a beating. Its put in line with Lukla airport in Nepal and Tegucigalpa in Honduras. This is of no justice realy as Naia is quite busy airport and would have been even busier with better infrastructur. More european carriers would fly here. But except from KLM the carriers awaits. I bet also a few american carriers would put in direct flights if aviation life was better at Naia.

Pilots are debating Naias "hotspot" or "red zone", where the runways cross and you have numerous of taxiways doing the same. Its freeking chaotic. Here you find time and time again that ground handling ATC operators are forgetting to hold aircrafts taxiing back while aircraft taking off from the short runway. Pilots rize big awarness so they, themself, avoid crashing and numerous reports are written but its only internal reports in the airline itself as complaining to Phil aviation authorities is like speaking to a mute sheep. Some pilots are refusing to fly here and would rather have standby duty when they are put on a Naia rotation.

It would not surprise me if money are beeing shipped to the Naia and its development but these money find themself deep pocketed into some aviation authorities members for personal gain.

We hear reports of power failure / brownouts, roofs are collapsing and the people movers constantly out of order. What is more surprisingly and hidden from public is that also landing equpments, radars and communication system stop operating quite frequently. There are infact stories that airlines have to abort landing attempts and can only get hold of ATC through emergency channels or if low altitude through regular cellphone and text msg. Its freekin scary.

Landing frequenze is so slow and it is due to the old ground approachsystems required minimum 3 min between aircraft landings. Which is the same more modern airports puts in if visibility is next to zero and the planes are to commit automaticle landings.

I haven't realy spoken to any pinoys / pinays about this but obviously huge numbers travels around the world for OFWing. They must see, when arriving / departing to / from ie Beijing, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, Narita / Haneda, Incheon etc, that something is seriously wrong with their country and its biggest airport.

[Member #4698]

I don't get it but I guess we are different in many ways. 5 days in a row I can only handle with my designated domestic GF (and hardly that I might add bcs her pussy becomes boring after that and I crave for new pukie). In my book 5 hrs, ex from overnighters which incl sleeping, is to long time with all the pussy walking the streets of Makati.
And to my critics; this is meant from an humoristic angle...5 days equals a relationship..:-)I get your humor, Donald. No offence taken here. Yeah, I do tend to repeat with the girls I like a lot. But, I could not agree with you more about pussy becoming too familiar or "boring" as you put it. That should be avoided at all costs otherwise it will spell the end of the "relationship".

I have one girl in BKK that I have been banging since 2009. My sexual relationship with her is longer than the one I had with my ex wife. 555. I find that fact amazing.

It should be noted, however, that I also look forward to making the acquaintance of "new" girls on every trip too. In my opinion, there is nothing like "new" pussy and on this trip I have had the pleasure of several outstanding "new" girls including a very sexy 22 year old Crazy House Go Go girl in BKK, a 25 year old superstar in the Lord again in BKK, and a very sensual 19 year old at Malioboro Club in Jakarta. I repeated with these 3 girls several times, but not on successive nights as I did with my Makati girl. I would estimate that I tended to repeat with each of these 3 girls every 4 or 5 nights or so.

[Member #4698]

Glad to see your sanity has been restored.Ha Ha. Yes, I sense that the Gods have spoken too and I am now looking forward to my 5 bonus nights in Manila. (I changed my mind about going to AC and decided to stay put because I like Manila girls best.) But, I should point out that I am now on the 39th day of my 63 day Asian trip and averaging around 1.25 girls per day so I have been having a pretty good time with a healthy assortment sexy Thai & Indonesian girls ages 18 all the way up to 35 and so far one very sexy 22 year old Pinay. I like variety as much as anybody. LOL.

I have now moved over to the Hyatt COD. My Bottoms girl was going to church with her mother last night and I was planning on hitting the EDSA entertainment Complex last night and later possibly the City of Dreams nightclubs. (Didn't you post something about your experience in City of Dreams a while back?) But I fell asleep last night around 9pm while watching a really bad movie on TV. I guess I was really tired.

I woke up around 2 am and checked my phone for Viber texts. I had quite a few texts from my Bottoms girl #1 and a new set of texts from another Bottoms girl (#2) who I have not seen since September. My Bottoms girl #1 had mentioned to Bottoms girl #2 that I was back in town.

In September I had been with #2 several times one on one and had the pleasure of a threesome with #1 & #2 one night. I think I wrote up a trip report about that night back in October and even posted some pictures of both my girls (faces camouflaged). So I am thinking that another threesome with these girls is in the works sometime this week. We will see what happens. But in any case, I am also look forward to making the most out of my bonus nights in Manila and I am planning on going back to Kojax and to meet some "new" sexy friends either tonight or tomorrow night.

[Member #4387]

I get your humor, Donald. No offence taken here. Yeah, I do tend to repeat with the girls I like a lot. But, I could not agree with you more about pussy becoming too familiar or "boring" as you put it. That should be avoided at all costs otherwise it will spell the end of the "relationship".

I have one girl in BKK that I have been banging since 2009. My sexual relationship with her is longer than the one I had with my ex wife. 555. I find that fact amazing.

It should be noted, however, that I also look forward to making the acquaintance of "new" girls on every trip too. In my opinion, there is nothing like "new" pussy and on this trip I have had the pleasure of several outstanding "new" girls including a very sexy 22 year old Crazy House Go Go girl in BKK, a 25 year old superstar in the Lord again in BKK, and a very sensual 19 year old at Malioboro Club in Jakarta. I repeated with these 3 girls several times, but not on successive nights as I did with my Makati girl. I would estimate that I tended to repeat with each of these 3 girls every 4 or 5 nights or so.I am happy you took it the right way I am not here to offend anyone. I see your point to ofcourse I do. I have a few on repeat myself but that's mostly cabincrewgirls both in phils and in thailand I might add. I come from an aviation environment (don't work as such anymore) but still have connections inside. And those connections I use to work beneficial to me. Hehe.

[BrainDrain]

I'd love to read a Siargao field report if you ever get there. I had the misfortune of going thru the Manila airport four times last month. My international flight to Manila arrived on time, but the other three flights were all delayed 30 to 90 minutes.My info on Siargao: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=1854235&viewfull=1#post1854235.

[GoodEnough]

Nothing else going on in the Makatithread so why not debate the Naia some more. If people check in Prune forum (designated aviator forum) Naia gets a hell of a beating. Its put in line with Lukla airport in Nepal and Tegucigalpa in Honduras. This is of no justice realy as Naia is quite busy airport and would have been even busier with better infrastructur. More european carriers would fly here. But except from KLM the carriers awaits. I bet also a few american carriers would put in direct flights if aviation life was better at Naia.

Pilots are debating Naias "hotspot" or "red zone", where the runways cross and you have numerous of taxiways doing the same. Its freeking chaotic. Here you find time and time again that ground handling ATC operators are forgetting to hold aircrafts taxiing back while aircraft taking off from the short runway. Pilots rize big awarness so they, themself, avoid crashing and numerous reports are written but its only internal reports in the airline itself as complaining to Phil aviation authorities is like speaking to a mute sheep. Some pilots are refusing to fly here and would rather have standby duty when they are put on a Naia rotation.

It would not surprise me if money are beeing shipped to the Naia and its development but these money find themself deep pocketed into some aviation authorities members for personal gain.

We hear reports of power failure / brownouts, roofs are collapsing and the people movers constantly out of order. What is more surprisingly and hidden from public is that also landing equpments, radars and communication system stop operating quite frequently. There are infact stories that airlines have to abort landing attempts and can only get hold of ATC through emergency channels or if low altitude through regular cellphone and text msg. Its freekin scary.

Landing frequenze is so slow and it is due to the old ground approachsystems required minimum 3 min between aircraft landings. Which is the same more modern airports puts in if visibility is next to zero and the planes are to commit automaticle landings.

I haven't realy spoken to any pinoys / pinays about this but obviously huge numbers travels around the world for OFWing. They must see, when arriving / departing to / from ie Beijing, Hong Kong, Singapore, Bangkok, Narita / Haneda, Incheon etc, that something is seriously wrong with their country and its biggest airport.I think I remember Donald, that you've got a background in aviation, so you likely understand how dangerous NAIA is better than most of us. What scares me almost equally is that, as far as I know, there are no commercial airports in all of Mindanao that are equipped with radar. Not one. I've heard that international pilots of some major airlines are concerned about holes in the coverage network, and if commercial pilots are concerned, we should probably all be worried. I continue of course to be astounded at the blasé indifference of the government to anything concerning public safety. As far as I know, there are no plans to upgrade the ground systems at the airport.

I do remember, about 15 years ago, the government received a loan, or perhaps an outright gift from France to upgrade ground systems at NAIA. Nothing was done because, evidently the money "disappeared. " To make a bad situation even worse, I was once told by a Westerner who works in the industry that there's not a single person or group in the government with the technical capability of overseeing a major system, upgrade.

GE.

[Member #4698]

I'd love to read a Siargao field report if you ever get there. I hope I can go there next year. In the meantime take a look at these links which I think might convey the reason why I wanted to go there in the first place to just chill & unwind.

Daku Island:
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=daku+island+siargao&qs=AS&sk=&FORM=QBIR&pq=daku%20islan&sc=5-10&sp=1&qs=AS&sk=

Cloud 9:
http://wn.com/cloud_9_siargao_island

[Hutsori]

Nothing else going on in the Makatithread so why not debate the Naia some more.Okie dokie. Bullets hidden in passengers' luggage never evade detection at NAIA. Rest assured no passenger will ever throw a bullet at you. Or bonk you over the head with one.

[Member #4387]

I think I remember Donald, that you've got a background in aviation, so you likely understand how dangerous NAIA is better than most of us. What scares me almost equally is that, as far as I know, there are no commercial airports in all of Mindanao that are equipped with radar. Not one. I've heard that international pilots of some major airlines are concerned about holes in the coverage network, and if commercial pilots are concerned, we should probably all be worried. I continue of course to be astounded at the blas indifference of the government to anything concerning public safety. As far as I know, there are no plans to upgrade the ground systems at the airport.

I do remember, about 15 years ago, the government received a loan, or perhaps an outright gift from France to upgrade ground systems at NAIA. Nothing was done because, evidently the money "disappeared. " To make a bad situation even worse, I was once told by a Westerner who works in the industry that there's not a single person or group in the government with the technical capability of overseeing a major system, upgrade.

GE.15 years ago I was pilot for Scandinavian Airline System(SAS). I was late 20 ies back then and we used to have upgrades and major A/B checkouts of our A340/330 fleet at Naia(today SAS use same company but in Zurich and paintings in Budapest and Valetta).. We piloted them planes from Scandinavia to the Lufthansa Tech company at Naia for upgrading/checkouts. Much cheaper labour here so it actually paid off flying them big jets from Scandinavia and back. Today different.
Today I see Qantas do the same with their Airbus A380 fleet. We chose to arrive in the middle of the night as we didn't dare to land (or our superiours told us not to) in heavy trafficked hours. Allready back then Naia was amongst the worst airports to our knowledge. The fun is it hasnt changed very much in 15 years. I think and i believe that most of its logistic is from back then or even older. Lufthansa tech group is high tech company though bcs they work under a german umbrella with quality and finesse:-)

[OsakaGin11]

Makati Medical clinic. Very professional clinic with a lab and doctors onsite. Just go to the reception counter, tell them you want std testing and they will refer you to the right spot.I can verify from personal experience that the Makati Medical Clinic offers a very professional (especially for the Phil.) same day STD testing and results service and opportunity to consult with a GP and an onsite pharmacy.

Just make sure you allow a good few hours to complete all of this as there is some significant waiting time involved as it is a very popular place with would be patients.

[Travelerl49]

Hey guys,

Subject line says it all. I humbly request Assistance or contact info for a GFE "Top Shelf" classy model type, that speaks English and does overnights and / or full days.

I am not much into the club scene and "bar fining", I enjoy "Special delivery". I'm staying at the Peninsula later this week and I'm OK with $300-500 USD for the exceptional service.

Yes I did RTFF.

PM me whatever and thanks for your help.

[CallSign Papa]

Didn't you post something about your experience in City of Dreams a while back?Yeah, I'm a big fan of Chaos on a Friday or Saturday night, easier with a wingman but not that difficult without, especially towards 2 am when the girls have had enough drinks to lose their inhibitions. I used to enjoy Pangaea next door, much smaller but that's now closed (or only open for private events).

Will check out Chaos again next weekend.

[CallSign Papa]

Hey guys,

Subject line says it all. I humbly request Assistance or contact info for a GFE "Top Shelf" classy model type, that speaks English and does overnights and / or full days.

I am not much into the club scene and "bar fining", I enjoy "Special delivery". I'm staying at the Peninsula later this week and I'm OK with $300-500 USD for the exceptional service.
You won't find much advice here about that kind of requirement. Your best bet is either an escort site where you'll likely be disappointed with the results or head out to Valkyrie or Empire where these "Top Shelf" girls hang out. That's not to say they'll be available. And price is no indicator of service, in some cases, a high price will work against you.

Anyway good luck and make sure you share a report after you visit.

[Sxxxx]

...............Will I have to worry about her and our meeting? .........................

.................Could she be a scammer and steal my money in my apartment? We will be together for one week in my condo. Thanks for your thoughts.Well you still have not paid the $20 ISG membership fee, so I think you do not have much if anything to steal. You are trying to arrange everything online, in advance. Think you have to meet her face to face first, and of course find some money to buy air ticket etc.

[Mr Hawaii]

I have to tell you my online experience. Two days ago a new member in DIA wrote me. She is from Manila. She is a very beautiful and girl (21 years old). I immediately asked her Facebook. On her Facebook profile I noticed she if from LOS Angeles, California but she told me she is a pinay and lives in Manila. She lives alone near Makat

Sophisticated girl. What is your thought? Could she be a scammer and steal my money in my apartment? We will be together for one week in my condo. Thanks for your thoughts.Hang on. You have never even met her, and you want to spend one week with her in your apt. ? She is from LA, so is familiar with American customs / laws. I think most of us agree that we would set up a meeting first, see how things go, and if satisfied, invite her back to your place. One night. If things go well, then another night, and take it from there. The fact that she is from LA, if true, would make me hesitant. Bottom Line. Take your time, just as any normal person would with anyone else. Remember which head should do the thinking.

[Member #4387]

Hang on. You have never even met her, and you want to spend one week with her in your apt. ? She is from LA, so is familiar with American customs / laws. I think most of us agree that we would set up a meeting first, see how things go, and if satisfied, invite her back to your place. One night. If things go well, then another night, and take it from there. The fact that she is from LA, if true, would make me hesitant. Bottom Line. Take your time, just as any normal person would with anyone else. Remember which head should do the thinking.I think she is from LA Cafe but that's just me.

[FreebieFan]

but I'm worried if she is a scammer. Will I have to worry about her and our meeting? She is a pearl, she is really hot and horny but not.

Sophisticated girl. What is your thought? Could she be a scammer and steal my money in my apartment? We will be together for one week in my condo. Thanks for your thoughts.She will be a scammer if you let yourself be scammed.

She will be a thief if you let her alone with your valuables.

She will be a porn star if you ask her to be.

She will be a girlfriend if you ask for this too.

You are the guy, you are in control. If your instincts say something is wrong, ask her to leave.

If you are enjoying yourself and nothing going wrong then go and enjoy.

People are only scammed when they allow themselves to be.

Think if you want to give her your real name. Think if you give her your real address. Think if you want to give her your real phone number. Think think think.

[WestCoast1]

Well you still have not paid the $20 ISG membership fee, so I think you do not have much if anything to steal.


Hang on. You have never even met her, and you want to spend one week with her in your apt. ?BestHunter (most likely formerly FoxesHunter) doesn't bother with joining. He (and formerly FH) has posts that follow the same pattern: Questions only. He is too cheap to join up a membership here for PM purposes, so he is forced into a position of trawling for info. Please don't feed the carp.

[Hutsori]

Could she be a scammer and steal my money in my apartment? We will be together for one week in my condo.
Know the difference among at hand, on hand, and in hand. Keep most of your money at hand, i.e. in the bank that you can access using your ATM or credit card. It's no longer your concern to keep that safe; the bank has picked up that responsibility.

The simple rule is have only the amount you can afford to lose on hand, or better still, in hand. And if you don't want to lose that sum, I'm sure you can find a few places inside the condo to stash your money. Better still, to not spoil your holiday with suspicion and fear you're about to be a crime victim, pick a sum that's acceptable to lose, and consider it gone. Keep no more than that amount in your condo. If it's stolen... oh well. If it isn't, it's your gain.

In all my years I can recall only a few incidents. The worst was in Phnom Penh; I had about $150 in my wallet, which I left in my jeans, and the night before my departure I passed out with the girl still in bed. Of course she stole the money and fled. I awoke, remembered there had been a girl in the room but no longer, and I unfolded my wallet. It was nice of her to leave me a few dollars for the taxi to the airport.

If you pick up a thief, make sure she's a considerate one.

[CallSign Papa]

Please don't feed the carp.Got to love the ignore button.

[FunExplorer]

Heading to Makati for a few days in early April, based at Best Western Oxford Suites and looking for some mongering fun in my room or nearby. I am rtff of course, but any suggestions fromother senior members would be very welcome.I just would like to know how was your experience at Best Western Oxford Suites. Is it good and girl friendly hotel? Was there too much noise in the night?

Will appreciate your feedback.

Thanks.

[D Cups]

Good advice. Been to the LA Cafe lately, Huts?




The simple rule is have only the amount you can afford to lose on hand, or better still, in hand.

..

[WestCoast1]

Got to love the ignore button.This message is hidden because BestHunter is on your ignore list.

So right big guy!

[CallSign Papa]

If anyone's in Makati this week and fancies beers or wingmanning up for Chaos Friday or Saturday drop me a pm.

[Tojo 5445]

My flight didn't arrive in Manila until after 10 PM, but the time I sat though an hour of traffic (the cab ride made me sick, worst jerkiest driver ever) and a shower it was after midnight. I walked to Burgos. I'm at the City Garden Grand so it's only a block or two. I started at the north end, which was a mistake as there really isn't anything up at that end except no street lights and homeless people sleeping on the street. I finally made it to the gogos. I wasn't impressed. Burgos isn't that big, I tried a few bars and found no girls that appealed to me. The streets were littered w / really aggressive ladyboys. I found a massage girl on the street I thought about but they had a location, it wasn't a take-home deal and I didn't trust it. I left and headed to my hotel. I signed onto tinder, wechat, and badoo. W / in minutes I had plenty of offers. I had a tinder girl meet me near my hotel for a beer just to make sure she looked like her photos. We went back to my room. She offered 2500 for one pop. Started w / a BBBJ, then cowboy, and finished in doggy. I sent her on her way and went to bed.

[Tojo 5445]

I woke up and was super horny. I opened wechat and had an offer. 2 hours for 2 k. The girl was pudgy, but the price was right. She came in and gave me a BBBJ to cum on tits. Took a rest and talked, then a second round. Some doggy then BBBJTCIM. She wanted to stay for another, I sent her on her way. I then went and got some food at Glorietta. I walked over to Greenbelt 3 and sat down at Havana for a few beers. It was late afternoon early evening and there were a few freelancers at the coffee place and hanging out across the way. Nothing struck my fancy so I opened the phone. I had a few offers through Badoo / Tinder / WeChat. I took one that looked the best. 4 k for 2-3 hours, multipop. Her name was jean. I took a cab back to my room and by the time I got there she was downstairs. She came up, we showered together, then to the bed. Doggy, BBBJTCIM. We played around a little bit more then mish, cowboy, BBBJ, and finished in doggy. We were a little over 2 hours, she asked if I wanted to go again, there's no way I was cumming again so I sent her on her way.

[X Man]

Good advice. Some gals will post a foreign city. Sometimes they visited, sometimes they have a good prospect from that city, or maybe they just want to go there. I like DS theory too.

I think we have a chat forum here which also has advice, although you may have to dig around.

I would just ask some of these questions: Where live? Where born? Where now? FB?

I should add that some Filipinos have trouble understanding these two concepts: where do you live? Where are you from?


Hang on. You have never even met her, and you want to spend one week with her in your apt. ? She is from LA, so is familiar with American customs / laws. I think most of us agree that we would set up a meeting first, see how things go, and if satisfied, invite her back to your place. One night. If things go well, then another night, and take it from there. The fact that she is from LA, if true, would make me hesitant. Bottom Line. Take your time, just as any normal person would with anyone else. Remember which head should do the thinking.

[Member #4387]

I should add that some Filipinos have trouble understanding these two concepts: where do you live? Where are you from?I highly agree and after a while the only sane question I ask these days are: "where do you stay now"(refering to this moment). Thats basically the only thing of interest as in if they are meetable or not.. From my Makati boundaries(even if i have flew in or bus in occational few girls)this helps a lot..

[WestCoast1]

I just would like to know how was your experience at Best Western Oxford Suites. Is it good and girl friendly hotel? Was there too much noise in the night?Have not stayed there yet. However, regarding girl-friendly: All hotels in phils can be assumed to be girl-friendly. Always book / reserve the room for 2 persons. There is rarely a 'joiner' fee. If you book a room in a red-light district (BW Ox is right on Burgos, which is a red-light district), all the hotels in the walkable area will be fine with the girls you bring in (the girl will possibly have to give up her ID to the front door security guards while she is in the hotel with you, and she will get it back upon her departure). Welcome to Philippines!

[WestCoast1]

I should add that some Filipinos have trouble understanding these two concepts: where do you live? Where are you from?Yes. There is a cultural language barrier here. Be specific when you ask any person from a non-westernized country: What city / province were you born on? (Not: Where are you from?) And: What city / province do you live on (not 'in') now? Not: Where do you live?

Use the word 'now' anytime you mean 'currently'. I have noticed that persons from phils, central America, and the Caribbean (possibly elsewhere) have a sense of time that is vastly different than in my country. Not only does time hold less meaning for them in terms of punctuality (often discussed here on the board: why are those pinay always so LATE). But the concepts of 'now', 'past', and 'future' are also viewed as one flowing thing (technically they are), where in the minds of westerners these are distinct things. Pinay especially use specific terms when they want to distinguish these concepts. She will say something like ". . . My all life" and "my best friend till now" to distinguish everything before now (but possibly not including now). In my culture, we assume that we are talking in the 'here and now' unless specified otherwise, but for pinay that is not always the case. A few months ago my I came out of the CR, toweling off after a morning shower. My pinay was dressed and walking out the door. She had not informed me that she was leaving, and I assumed she was just going downstairs for something or up the street to a store. I asked: Where you going? That blanched her for a moment. I re-asked: Where you going now? "Get the medicine to my mudder. Back later". Got it. Recently my daughter was heading out the door with her car keys in hand. Where you going? "Store. I need some stuff". I have found that I make more sense to pinay (and have to re-ask things less often) when I specify with terms like "before" when I mean previously, "now" when I mean right now, and "later" when I mean in the future.

[Hutsori]

Good advice. Been to the LA Cafe lately, Huts?

.Yes, I was there for the closing party last week. It's been a long time since I've been in a bar before 10 pm; I braved the rush hour traffic and arrived at 6 to ensure I had table. Charlie Sheen and Steven Seagal were the masters of ceremony. The commander of JUSMAGPHIL gave a speech thanking the girls and the bar for entertaining the sailors and marines all these years. The South Korean ambassador was there too. Several of the Hong Kong rugby teams flew in for the blow out.

[D Cups]

Wow, I am nominating you for King Bola Bola!


Yes, I was there for the closing party last week. It's been a long time since I've been in a bar before 10 pm; I braved the rush hour traffic and arrived at 6 to ensure I had table. Charlie Sheen and Steven Seagal were the masters of ceremony. The commander of JUSMAGPHIL gave a speech thanking the girls and the bar for entertaining the sailors and marines all these years. The South Korean ambassador was there too. Several of the Hong Kong rugby teams flew in for the blow out..

[Butter69]

Have not stayed there yet. However, regarding girl-friendly: All hotels in phils can be assumed to be girl-friendly. Always book / reserve the room for 2 persons. There is rarely a 'joiner' fee. If you book a room in a red-light district (BW Ox is right on Burgos, which is a red-light district), all the hotels in the walkable area will be fine with the girls you bring in (the girl will possibly have to give up her ID to the front door security guards while she is in the hotel with you, and she will get it back upon her departure). Welcome to Philippines!I have stayed there 3 times. No issues with noise.

[MrWoolyBooly]

(Note: Some of this should be under the Hotels page or Online Dating page or wherever, but I'm too jetlagged to write separate reports.).

Was dropped off at Terminal 1 Friday 8 pm by GF. After her taxi pulled away, I had exactly 24 hours to play before my real flight left. Took a metered yellow taxi through Friday evening nightmare traffic to Makati. Dirtbag driver (even in airport yellow taxi) took a slightly longer than necessary route, jabbering every nonsense idea he could come up with to get more money from me, but the meter was quite enough at this near-walking speed.

A first for me, 100% of my preparation was done via fake FB. Result: One girl I knew before, two girls that were friends of friends, and one cute Burgos massage girl. Conclusions: Takes about the same or even less upfront chatting than dating sites. If hot, willing single moms are your thing, the Philippines is heaven on earth.

Had booked two rooms: one suite at the past-its-prime Citadel Inn on Burgos, and another at the new Siglo Gramercy Suites on nearby Kalayaan. No plans to visit bars or get a massage, but at least there was a guaranteed backup plan. Checked in to Citadel. JG (second of three sisters previously reported on) from QC was waiting for me nearby. Met her, brought her up to my room, admired how her boom-boom and BJ skills have improved over the couple years since her early starfish days, and persuaded her to bring a friend the next day.

While walking from Citadel toward Gramercy along Burgos (around midnight?) observed decent quantity and quality of real girls, with the usual large minority of ladyboys. Got the number of a petite busty Samantha for just-in-case in front of 7-11. Was so smitten by a cutie near Oxford suites standing with three of her coworkers, got her number and asked her to visit me in Gramercy after I checked in. The clincher was how giggly and excited she got when I picked her out of her gang of four. She met me at the Gramercy, but during negotiations was unwilling to provide the GFE that little Wooly wanted. So I gave her 500 pesos for "massage" not rendered, and offered her to come back to me after her shift ends at 4 am if she changed her mind. She did come back, she did change her mind, and I believed her when she said I was the second guy she gave a BJ to and the first to CIM. Not a lot of skill, but it's lovely to watch a new cutie try her best. BJ, ride, BJ to finish. She went home to her Mandalyong boarding house happy, giving me her FB and those of her two cousins staying with her. I overpaid by market rates, but we were both very pleased.

Morning in Makati already, still hadn't slept. Soon after massage girl leaves, JB from Dasmarinas is texting me wanting to come over to my place at the Gramercy. She's the best friend of previously reported RR. We'd been chatting a bit, and she had asked me "not to tell RR that we will meet". Whatever you say, sweetheart. 23 year old single mom with pretty face and bangin' thin body. Although I prefer them with big boobs, a great tight body with small boobs is never a disappointment. I was rewarded with the best amateur BJ I ever got and a great ride to the finish line. We eat breakfast, wander the Century City mall a bit, then I send her home with small gift "for her daughter". We'll surely meet again both alone and with common friends, but we will pretend we barely know each other at her request haha.

Head back to Citadel. JG brought her friend AC also from QC. We talk a while, get McDo, then JG leaves to meet "Peter" on a date at SM Sucat. Greetings, Peter if you're reading this. JG has been my FWB for some time. She's ditzy, short, beautiful when not breaking out, and looks too young but is really 20. She's good in bed, not great. She's very reliable to show up. After JG left, I'm alone with AC. AC is 19 and has a top-10 prettiest Pinay face I've met with thin frame. She's six month pregnant (she claims), and for the bucket list I apply all the nonsense conversation skills I have to getting her naked and blowing me. She left me happy in a taxi going home. Then I had to rush check out of two places and get to the airport.

Notes about the Citadel Inn: It's older for Burgos. This time I wanted a less expensive hotel but with the best room they had. The room wasn't bad at all and had a very nice view. The elevator was excruciatingly slow to the upper floors. Night shift check in girl Barbie was hot, but I can only imagine what she things of foreign guys from working there.

Notes about Siglo Gramercy Residences: This is the first time in the Philippines I encountered true professionals in ever position- Guards, lobby concierge / check in, operations, etc. My booked suite had a problem leading them to put me in another (bigger, higher, better view, more amenities) suite instead. It was clear that both the frontline employees and management felt humiliated by the problem and truly made things right by me. Stuff happens in any business, but I guess I've just gotten so used to the "blank look of helplessness" I expected nothing to get resolved. I've stayed in hotels / condos ranging from frightening to five stars in metro Manila, and the Gramercy staff were the most sincerely helpful and professional. I could happily live in that building adjacent to Century City mall.

[VicVeg]

Have not stayed there yet. However, regarding girl-friendly: All hotels in phils can be assumed to be girl-friendly. Always book / reserve the room for 2 persons. There is rarely a 'joiner' fee. If you book a room in a red-light district (BW Ox is right on Burgos, which is a red-light district), all the hotels in the walkable area will be fine with the girls you bring in (the girl will possibly have to give up her ID to the front door security guards while she is in the hotel with you, and she will get it back upon her departure). Welcome to Philippines!Makati Palace on Burgos allows one girl in the room, but she needs valid ID. If you want a 2nd girl, you have to pay a huge fee (800 p? They act like they got burned bad in the past and are covering their ass now. A call girl I called up had an expired ID, and they made me sign a waiver saying I assumed all liability, held the hotel non-liable etc. Bunch of shit. I stayed there years ago, and none of this went on. I wonder what happened there to have them change so much.

[Member #4387]

Was dropped off at Terminal 1 Friday 8 pm by GF. After her taxi pulled away, I had exactly 24 hours to play before my real flight left. Took a metered yellow taxi through Friday evening nightmare traffic to Makati. Dirtbag driver (even in airport yellow taxi) took a slightly longer than necessary route, jabbering every nonsense idea he could come up with to get more money from me, but the meter was quite enough at this near-walking speedFirst of all and just as an observation I guess it was your taxidriver dropping you off at the airport? Your GF was just doing the typical pinay stuffs and want to be so helpful assisting you to the airport, hehe. A travel every adult male in the western world could do alone. But I see your point.

In this aspect I tell about a crazy happening when I was a bit more nube to the scene than I am now and infact I thought it was fun to meet while arriving and let girls "assist" me to the airport at my cost when departuring. These days I make it clear "I am grown up so I manage quite well both to and from airport myself, thank you so much sweetie".

Well this day I did actually had a prebooked ticket for Jakarta. During my stay I had change my plans though so I wanted to extend my stay in Makati a few days. I thought about your routine mr Wooly just to let the cab drop me off at the airport and the girl just continue back home with that cab. I tried to convince her I didn't needed her to assist me through check in etc but it didn't help. It was like talking to a deph person. She exited the cab with me and I had to start thinking; "Well, what do I do now? My initial plan was just to let her drive off in the cab and I take a new one and just be a non show passenger). Well I quickly evaluated my options and I found out I just check in and fake some illness making me non fit for flight at the boarding gate. This became the soulution. I just told the phil air staff I was feeling unwell (didn't elaborate more) and wanted just to seek some medical assistance in Makati. They quickly understood, got my bag off the plane (or wherever in the system it was), assisted me through immigration and a partly new mongertrip started, hehe. They even gave me a statement letter I couldn't fly so I could claim insurancemoney from my travelinsurancecompany. I didn't do that as I wasnt sick, just horny.

[Mua Tur]

"Well, what do I do now? My initial plan was just to let her drive off in the cab and I take a new one and just be a non show passenger). Well I quickly evaluated my options and I found out I just check in and fake some illness making me non fit for flight at the boarding gate. This became the soulution. I just told the phil air staff I was feeling unwell (didn't elaborate more) and wanted just to seek some medical assistance in Makati. They quickly understood, got my bag off the plane (or wherever in the system it was), assisted me through immigration and a partly new mongertrip started, hehe. They even gave me a statement letter I couldn't fly so I could claim insurancemoney from my travelinsurancecompany. I didn't do that as I wasn't sick, just horny.Some how it's a big hassle, if some one wants to cancel the flight after crossing the immigration line, stamped out on passport page and already boarded the luggage. Once I can remember my flight was emergency canceled due to bad weather in Suvarnabhumi airport, BKK. The Airline peoples guided back us to immigration; it was long waiting for canceling the stamping and re-in to Thailand. Then long waiting for the luggage was boarded before.

I have regulars in BKK and Manila too. Although if I visit other cities to meet girls; sure I don't visit for only one. I am with a queue of girls in my hand and try to meet them as my prefixed scheduled dates. For every girl I change hotels and I need to do some home work before I arrive. A sort of the list of the girl's wise hotel names as they feel convenient to arrive.

Some girls are so nagging and insisting to come along with me up to the airport. If she is not the last one and some times to make her off from me I m forced to arrive airport. But never needed to cross the line. After some drinks in the airport lounge every time I was able to make her way back home. Than again into the business I came there for.

[Blanquiceleste]

First of all and just as an observation I guess it was your taxidriver dropping you off at the airport? Your GF was just doing the typical pinay stuffs and want to be so helpful assisting you to the airport, hehe. A travel every adult male in the western world could do alone. But I see your point.

In this aspect I tell about a crazy happening when I was a bit more nube to the scene than I am now and infact I thought it was fun to meet while arriving and let girls "assist" me to the airport at my cost when departuring. These days I make it clear "I am grown up so I manage quite well both to and from airport myself, thank you so much sweetie".

Well this day I did actually had a prebooked ticket for Jakarta. During my stay I had change my plans though so I wanted to extend my stay in Makati a few days. I thought about your routine mr Wooly just to let the cab drop me off at the airport and the girl just continue back home with that cab. I tried to convince her I didn't needed her to assist me through check in etc but it didn't help. It was like talking to a deph person. She exited the cab with me and I had to start thinking; "Well, what do I do now? My initial plan was just to let her drive off in the cab and I take a new one and just be a non show passenger). Well I quickly evaluated my options and I found out I just check in and fake some illness making me non fit for flight at the boarding gate. This became the soulution. I just told the phil air staff I was feeling unwell (didn't elaborate more) and wanted just to seek some medical assistance in Makati. They quickly understood, got my bag off the plane (or wherever in the system it was), assisted me through immigration and a partly new mongertrip started, hehe. They even gave me a statement letter I couldn't fly so I could claim insurancemoney from my travelinsurancecompany. I didn't do that as I wasnt sick, just horny.I have had girls waiting to pick me up at the airport, but never ever have I entertained a girl wanting to drop me off or accompany me for my departure flight.

[Member #4387]

Some how it's a big hassle, if some one wants to cancel the flight after crossing the immigration line, stamped out on passport page and already boarded the luggage. Once I can remember my flight was emergency canceled due to bad weather in Suvarnabhumi airport, BKK. The Airline peoples guided back us to immigration; it was long waiting for canceling the stamping and re-in to Thailand. Then long waiting for the luggage was boarded before.

I have regulars in BKK and Manila too. Although if I visit other cities to meet girls; sure I don't visit for only one. I am with a queue of girls in my hand and try to meet them as my prefixed scheduled dates. For every girl I change hotels and I need to do some home work before I arrive. A sort of the list of the girl's wise hotel names as they feel convenient to arrive.

Some girls are so nagging and insisting to come along with me up to the airport. If she is not the last one and some times to make her off from me I m forced to arrive airport. But never needed to cross the line. After some drinks in the airport lounge every time I was able to make her way back home. Than again into the business I came there for.Yeah when a whole flight is cancelled its a bit more hazzle than if you are alone after crossing "the line". I've experienced a Swiss flight (A340) returning BKK after the weather radar stopped working close to Indian boarder. The Swiss captain was droddling a tad over the PA system that he would rather return us to BKK than setting us passangers down somewhere in India. Other reason was that techs at BKK was more experienced repairing A340 than in India (Thai airways used to be big operators of the aircraft themself and belongs in same alliance as well). That took us long time when we were approx 300 pax heading back with cancellation stamps in our passports. Another time from BKK, also travelling to Jakarta, I overslept and arrived at the airport just before check in closed. Dropped my bag but due to long lines in security and immigration I could see the aircraft pushing back when I was arriving the boarding gate (I was hearing my last name beeing called). I put in most efforts to catch my flight by "pushing people away" in various lines and generaly beeing an obnoxious prick running towards the boarding gate. Then one guy at the boarding gate also took me the reversed way back and assisted me for another night of Thai pukie. Quite efficient alone, hazzle when a whole flight.

[MrWoolyBooly]

I wasnt sick, just horny.Rarely do simple facts make me laugh out loud!

Besides the fake departure game, I've had problems sometimes getting a girl to leave before my next visitor. They say things like "I can just sleep here while you work," or "I told my family I was staying overnight with my cousin," or some other tale. I once had to tell the girl the hotel was going to fumigate the entire floor, and she had to leave or die like the cockroaches. That was several years ago in the Great Eastern Hotel Makati which nowadays could use a fumigation.

[Member #4387]

Rarely do simple facts make me laugh out loud!

Besides the fake departure game, I've had problems sometimes getting a girl to leave before my next visitor. They say things like "I can just sleep here while you work," or "I told my family I was staying overnight with my cousin," or some other tale. I once had to tell the girl the hotel was going to fumigate the entire floor, and she had to leave or die like the cockroaches. That was several years ago in the Great Eastern Hotel Makati which nowadays could use a fumigation.Hehe then I add fumigation to my "excuse list" as I also sometimes run into the occational girl with lots of time on her hands. But mostly girls are prepped I am leaving quite soon so an overstay would be impossible. Other excuses; family emergency back home, business meeting, a long time no see friend I suddenly found out was in town, other artificial friends of some sort, embassy appointment, hospital / dental appointment, tailored dress ready for pick up, various parties I have to attend to, have to work must be alone, I am tired and can not sleep with your pussy in the room, stomach issues (sometimes true) etc etc. Some will probably say "why go through all this trouble just tell the truth? Well I don't find it to be troublesome at all. Its not like I am meeting the girls again (most of them) so I just use the same excuse for this or that trip. The point is anyway to get them quickly on their way due to new incoming girls.

[FreebieFan]

Rarely do simple facts make me laugh out loud!

Besides the fake departure game, I've had problems sometimes getting a girl to leave before my next visitor. They say things like "I can just sleep here while you work," or "I told my family I was staying overnight with my cousin," or some other tale. I once had to tell the girl the hotel was going to fumigate the entire floor, and she had to leave or die like the cockroaches. That was several years ago in the Great Eastern Hotel Makati which nowadays could use a fumigation.I've done the " well I have a water pipe problem " in my condo. You can't see the problem as its in the flooring but soon, maybe 8 workers will be coming here to drill the floor and remove / exchange some pipes. Will be noisy and dusty and the workers will make bad comments to you asking you many questions. That would have them out the door within 15 minutes.

[Member #4387]

I've done the " well I have a water pipe problem " in my condo. You can't see the problem as its in the flooring but soon, maybe 8 workers will be coming here to drill the floor and remove / exchange some pipes. Will be noisy and dusty and the workers will make bad comments to you asking you many questions. That would have them out the door within 15 minutes.I guess I could use this as well even if I stay in hotels. Added in my list:-)

[Member #4387]

This was a 19 yo spinners last msg to me when she was on her way over to my place. I was curious what she meant by those words. Curious as in if she thought having sex at all was "dirty" or if there would be sex but no kinky stuffs going on. The latter beeing fine by me mostly. I take critisism for not beeing crystal clear to this bird what was expected from her while comming but again I meet a couple of hunderd pinays each year and they don't know anything but two things of what going to happen. Number one they know is that I am not looking for anything serious and number two is she must meet me my place.

Basicaly this ends with a score of 100%(99,95 maybe). I wasnt to worried so to speak.

No dirty stuffs girl arrives and we head for the room. Sexy spinner I must say (make room for her in the top 10 spot for this year). I ask her what she meant by "no dirty stuffs" and she replied she didn't like deep throat. By saying that I knew ofcourse the girl was prepped and good to go for a romp or two. She elaborated that her ex BF had made her deep throating and she didn't like it much. We went at it and wouldn't you guys know the first she did was giving me a deep throat. So they say one thing and do another must be the conclusion. I did not refuse ofcourse funny.

[Wicked Roger]

Sexy spinner I must say (make room for her in the top 10 spot for this year). I ask her what she meant by "no dirty stuffs" and she replied she didn't like deep throat. By saying that I knew ofcourse the girl was prepped and good to go for a romp or two. She elaborated that her ex BF had made her deep throating and she didn't like it much. We went at it and wouldn't you guys know the first she did was giving me a deep throat. So they say one thing and do another must be the conclusion. I did not refuse ofcourse funny.I had one said "no blow job as dirty" but after she arrived and some DATY plus the comment "now I have done dirty to you so what about me" she delved in and had fun. Now she gives a great BBBJ plus is bisexual (again at my prompting).

It must be teacher Donald LOL.

[DexRide]

Visiting Manila next week. I am put up at Makati Shangri la. Can anyone please recommend top escort agencies in Makati.

Thanks in advance.

[D Cups]

Do a search on backpage


Visiting Manila next week. I am put up at Makati Shangri la. Can anyone please recommend top escort agencies in Makati.

Thanks in advance..

[Wicked Roger]

Visiting Manila next week. I am put up at Makati Shangri la. Can anyone please recommend top escort agencies in Makati.

Thanks in advance.16 FRs all questions, maybe you will feel inclined as this is the Philippine board to stop being a manager ad write and FR on what you find in escorts as a RTFF would actually find lots of details and a reports plus a few members who have used high class ones. Just a thought LOL.

[BrainDrain]

I have had girls waiting to pick me up at the airport, but never ever have I entertained a girl wanting to drop me off or accompany me for my departure flight.I am a fan of the accompanied airport drop off. In Surigao the girl was so smart without a ticket she negotiated her way past security into the boarding area to see me safely on my way.

Other girls in Manila and Cebu have always been easier to leave. I let one girl continue the Uber journey.

If I am with Surigao girl again, which I haven't decided for other reasons. I would have to tell her an afternoon flight and depart on a morning flight. ,ie I would do the runner.

My problem with her is that she is genuinely sexually clean, she loves bareback and she loves to let me cum in her mouth. I will trade-off the airport stuff to deal with her.

BD.

[CallSign Papa]

Hell no!

Been here about a week now and it's as crazy, manic, fun and maddening as it ever was. Decided to stay in a condo in Rockwell again and it's suited my needs perfectly. Security are there when you need them and invisible when you don't, haven't once needed to sign in a guest (unless they arrived alone) and even then I didn't need to come down to meet them.

Arrived last week on a late evening CP flight (which arrived on time) but as always had a disappointing array of cabin crew talent. From landing at 10.20 pm, I was sitting in my Rockwell condo by 11.10 (a new record), just lucky my bag came out first. I've tried Uber a few times from NAIA with mixed results, and as there were yellow metered cabs I took one (250 php).

First girl arrived at midnight, we went out for a late drink at a spanish wine bar nearby and were back and bumping uglies by 1 am. We'd been chatting on FB for a few months having initially met on my last visit a few months ago. Made the mistake of letting her stay over, because had I known she was a "cuddly sleeper" I might have thought twice. Despite that, a pleasant morning romp was followed by a swift provision of taxi money, chocolate and the door hitting her ass on the way out.

Now usually, it's the girls I have to blame for ransacking my schedule by late / non arrival, so it was a lovely surprise that I got a little bit of payback. Met another girl from my last trip who's a VIP host at a nightclub complex in the Fort, and lunch turned into dinner which turned into her staying with me for 2 straight days. We had dinner at Hole in the Wall in Century City Mall one night which was (as always) bloody good value. I'm not normally fond of seeing the same girl more than one night per trip, but damn if this cutie hasn't gotten under my skin. Eventually she had to leave to study and it was on to the next. But of course this had wreaked havoc with my well planned schedule, and for the rest of the week I was basically freeform jazzing my way through meetings.

What is it about office girls? They always look so respectable and yet they're always the kinkiest. One girl (working on Makati Ave) insisted I bend her over the table, pull up a chair and have lunch, when the condom broke later on, she insisted I cum in her ass (just to be safe), magic.

Friday night I decided to see if Burgos still held any appeal and went in search of Kojax. It's just off the main strip not far from Bourbon Street (the bar not the road), and I've got to say, I think I found my new home away from home. Loved the bar layout, lots of booths, all lit to allow for maximum privacy. The central stage area is pretty standard, but the quality of girls was definitely above average (especially compared to the aforementioned Bourbon Street). A couple of real cute blondes which really does it for me, although I was dragged into a booth by a small perky brunette who was surprisingly good conversation and incredibly friendly judging my how quickly her hands found my lap. According to her there are no areas upstairs or outback where things can get a little more heated and takeout is the best option. Stayed for an hour or so and brought her a few drinks but already had plans with a contact centre girl who was clocking off at 3 am.

Glad I didn't get tempted with takeout, because the call centre call (Jocelle) was a knockout, tall, slim, beautiful. I'd seen a lot of her photos on FB but assumed they'd have been photoshopped or otherwise adjusted to make her look better. They weren't, she was just plain hot and I'd say I have pretty high standards. After I cooked her a simple but late dinner / early breakfast, we hit the sheets and a good time was had by all.

[CallSign Papa]

Having spent Saturday afternoon enjoyably corrupting a cute 25 year old born-again Christian instead of wading through malls or sweating like a dog on the streets, I wanted to get over to Chaos at City of Dreams. It's always been a very enjoyable venue and I deliberately left my dance card blank with the expectation of picking someone up there.

After enjoying a few beers and watching the football at Howzat, I was someone bemused after taking a 30 minute cab to find Chaos utterly dead. Initially I thought it was some kind of practical joke and that people were going to jump out from behind curtains. But no, just a very empty nightclub. As I had two drinks tokens I thought I might as well hang near the bar. The scrumptious bartender told me there was a big party at Revel in the Fort which is explains where all the talent went. So after a few beers I jumped back in a cab and hotfooted it over to Prive near the Fort Strip. Again not very busy but a great party atmostphere. Got chatting to a girl who claimed to be 40 but had the figure of 20 year old, sensational, but not as good as the real thing. Given that my bed hadn't been empty since the night I arrived it was kinda relaxing to just head back and get some unbroken sleep.

[Bioxicle]

Apologies that this is my first post and I am asking a question (I realize this is frowned upon) and if I have the opportunity I will offer a report.

If anyone cares to send me a PM please do so. I have searched the site, and am unable to find any note regarding massage parlor in BGC, Bonifacio global city. I have read many reports, and have seen plenty of mentions of clubs, bars, and other places to pick up girls, but is there somewhere in BGC with beautiful pinays for a relaxing sensual massage?

I am a total newbie when it comes to this, and I've never done an escort. I'm also a young decently attractive guy with very little free time so setting up dates isn't something I have time for not looking for an escort, just a place to pop in.

Thank you.

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[PStevens999]

Am presently in Manils. Was told by a girl who works at Bottoms that there was a raid yesterday at Bottoms. Plan on hitting Burgos tonight so will attempt to get some independent verification on what happened. This seems to be happening more and more often.

[Member #4698]

My Bottoms girl vipered me early 5 am Friday morning to tell me she was bummed out because she could not go to work until Sunday due to the impending raid scheduled for Bottoms on either Friday or Saturday night.

From the 1942 film "Casablanca".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

[CallSign Papa]

Office girls ain't got nothing on nurses!

Having spent a few afternoons and evenings with a various office girls all too eager to reveal their wilder sides, I had the opportunity to try a few ladies from the medical industry.

Met one such girl on OKC, Abby an OB / GYN at a medical centre in Makati. We arranged to have drinks on Sunday night, and whilst she was a teensy bit chubbier than her photos suggested, she was more than passable. Cut forward a few hours and this shy but engaging pinay got VERY enthusiastic as soon as my face got close to her holiest of holies. By the time she left I was drained, tired and ready to sleep like the dead. But I do like a girl who went let you quit until she's cum.

Next morning I met medical professional number 2, Jen an ER nurse, who was busy getting us both hot and heavy on Viber for a good hour before she arrived at my condo. Whilst she wasn't quite the energetic bunny from the night before, she made up for it with her "anything goes" attitude. So anything went.

Headed to the airport on Monday afternoon with a heavy heart and an eagerness to return next month to see if I can't pick up where I left off with some of my medical "training".

Hopefully it'll be slightly cooler because it's HOT. It's too damn hot to be trawling Greenbelt during the day, and Havana seems to be suffering as a result, no one hanging about outside obviously.

[CallSign Papa]

Let me tell you this, if you want to avoid sitting around waiting for girls to arrive, pick girls who are already close by. A year of regularly visiting Manila and you'd've thunk I'd've learnt that by now!

Anyway, I'd say if you're based in Makati, meeting girls who are already in Makati or at the very furthest, Pasay, Ortigas, Mandaluyong or BGC (The Fort) is a more sensible way of having girls show up (and on time).

Sadly, there are plenty of hot girls living in Antipolo, Batangas, Laguna, Paranaque, Las Pinas, Muntinlupa and Quezon City. But arranging to meet any relies on them having their shit together and being able to circumvent the trappic and know where they're going.

I met a girl from each of the places above this trip, and they were all a minimum of 2 hours late. So my advice, shop locally.

[Member #4387]

Let me tell you this, if you want to avoid sitting around waiting for girls to arrive, pick girls who are already close by. A year of regularly visiting Manila and you'd've thunk I'd've learnt that by now! Anyway, I'd say if you're based in Makati, meeting girls who are already in Makati or at the very furthest, Pasay, Ortigas, Mandaluyong or BGC (The Fort) is a more sensible way of having girls show up (and on time). Sadly, there are plenty of hot girls living in Antipolo, Batangas, Laguna, Paranaque, Las Pinas, Muntinlupa and Quezon City. But arranging to meet any relies on them having their shit together and being able to circumvent the trappic and know where they're going. I met a girl from each of the places above this trip, and they were all a minimum of 2 hours late. So my advice, shop locally.Yes CSP this is important knowledge which has been adressed from time to time. But a good thing can not be repeated often enough and nubes should take note. An rough estimate on my behal would be that 85 to 90% of my girls will come from Makati or its close surroundings. Problem strikes when you meet the occational stunner located in Antipolo, Quezon etc. In my book for me bothering to arrange a meet up she must be realy something else which Makati can not provide or in other words something I don't have in my fake FB fleet so far. Realy special. But they do sometimes appear from out of no where and a "must meet, must fuck" kind of situation arises.

Did it earlier and still do it from time to time. Trappic is hard to predict even if they do their best to be on time. Then you have those realy late and for those I have now found a new trick and that is to just rescheduel the faraway travelling girl with a girl staying close. Sometimes even when the faraway travelling girl on her way but she missed her spot in a busy scheduel. Thats the benefits by having "local" girls close to your basecamp. They can step in on short notice and at least if you, like me, have a large fleet to pick from. Chances are allways one or more will be available to rush over. The closest and fastest incall I've ever done was a gem living in some twin towers right next to Ascott Makati. Made the call as one faraway traveller was running late. 10 min later I picked her up downstairs.

[Mbsl65]

One of favorite places to stay Makati Diamond Residences is now $280/ night++. It is not more expensive than Fairmont, New World and ShangriLa.

[CallSign Papa]

One of favorite places to stay Makati Diamond Residences is now $280/ night++. It is not more expensive than Fairmont, New World and ShangriLa.For half that price you can find a high quality 1 bed condo in the same area, with way more space and privacy. Just check airBNB.

[Kaywhy]

One of favorite places to stay Makati Diamond Residences is now $280/ night++. It is not more expensive than Fairmont, New World and ShangriLa.You must be talking about the suites, because I never pay more than $150 at the Fairmont for a regular room. For $280, I'd recommend getting a nice room for you to sleep and an extra room via Airbnb to monger.

[Pcpc1688]

One of favorite places to stay Makati Diamond Residences is now $280/ night++. It is not more expensive than Fairmont, New World and ShangriLa.I stay there for 9500 p a week all in. Nice 1 BR condo convenient to Burgos and all other areas I goto. That's 200 usd for a nice safe place.

PC out.

[Member #4387]

I stay there for 9500 p a week all in. Nice 1 BR condo convenient to Burgos and all other areas I goto. That's 200 usd for a nice safe place.

PC out.Is it a well or running pipeline waters this place:-) Just kidding ofcourse.

[Ms Account]

I wrote a report last year predicting that the Kojax / Hot Spot / Plan be prices of 2. 6 K barfine / 300 pesos Ladies drink would result in the overpriced bars dropping prices. I then quoted String as an example where they dropped their prices to 3 K BF / 300 LD.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=1767645&viewfull=1#post1767645

Well my deflation prediction was 180 degrees wrong. String raised their prices back to 3900/390. They are now charging 310 pesos for overseas beers which is insane. Bottoms is still only 290 for overseas beers and most other bars 250.

And you have the recently opened Horizon charging 400 K per LD with no barfine. The showgirls from Stardust have moved to Horizon. Horizon is also charging a service charge of 10% which is the only bar I know that adds that on top.

Kojax / Hot Spot / Plan be then a few months ago raised their prices to 3. 5 K BF. But I was just on Burgos over the last few days and they have now dropped back to 2. 9 K for BF.

I still predict Burgos prices are unsustainable and will fall. But that is based upon a pessimistic view of the world economy and the impact a slowing / crashing China will have on the Korean / Japanese big spenders.

[Member #4387]

I wrote a report last year predicting that the Kojax / Hot Spot / Plan be prices of 2. 6 K barfine / 300 pesos Ladies drink would result in the overpriced bars dropping prices. I then quoted String as an example where they dropped their prices to 3 K BF / 300 LD.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=1767645&viewfull=1#post1767645

Well my deflation prediction was 180 degrees wrong. String raised their prices back to 3900/390. They are now charging 310 pesos for overseas beers which is insane. Bottoms is still only 290 for overseas beers and most other bars 250.

And you have the recently opened Horizon charging 400 K per LD with no barfine. The showgirls from Stardust have moved to Horizon. Horizon is also charging a service charge of 10% which is the only bar I know that adds that on top.

Kojax / Hot Spot / Plan be then a few months ago raised their prices to 3. 5 K BF. But I was just on Burgos over the last few days and they have now dropped back to 2. 9 K for BF.

I still predict Burgos prices are unsustainable and will fall. But that is based upon a pessimistic view of the world economy and the impact a slowing / crashing China will have on the Korean / Japanese big spenders.So I guess my "biz" idea is not so bad after all? All the time I don't do prostis nor bargirls (same only in different wrappings) I pay my "guests" 3 to 5/6k php(mostly 3 k). They find themself special. What they don't know I have 3 to 5/6 girls each day.
its a childish saying I know but I am used to only respect the Euro and Dollars. Ex from this pisos is not money, its toys at best. Nothing worth mentioning. This is how me and friends view it, others might differ. Yeah yeah i know 10k pisos is the same as any currency it is balanced from wherever u are at:-)

[Dg8787]

I wrote a report last year predicting that the Kojax / Hot Spot / Plan be prices of 2. 6 K barfine / 300 pesos Ladies drink would result in the overpriced bars dropping prices. I then quoted String as an example where they dropped their prices to 3 K BF / 300 LD.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1006-Makati&p=1767645&viewfull=1#post1767645

Well my deflation prediction was 180 degrees wrong. String raised their prices back to 3900/390. They are now charging 310 pesos for overseas beers which is insane. Bottoms is still only 290 for overseas beers and most other bars 250.

And you have the recently opened Horizon charging 400 K per LD with no barfine. The showgirls from Stardust have moved to Horizon. Horizon is also charging a service charge of 10% which is the only bar I know that adds that on top.

Kojax / Hot Spot / Plan be then a few months ago raised their prices to 3. 5 K BF. But I was just on Burgos over the last few days and they have now dropped back to 2. 9 K for BF.

I still predict Burgos prices are unsustainable and will fall. But that is based upon a pessimistic view of the world economy and the impact a slowing / crashing China will have on the Korean / Japanese big spenders.Maybe you should stick to predicting oil prices! Better chances.

[Ms Account]

So I guess my "biz" idea is not so bad after all? All the time I don't do prostis nor bargirls (same only in different wrappings) I pay my "guests" 3 to 5/6k php(mostly 3 k).Don't forget to add the girls fee. So the cheapest night with barfine on Burgos using Kojax as an example would be 2900 barfine plus one lady drink 300 plus your drink 250 (for foreign beer I don't know what they charge for local beer) plus 3 K for girl = 6500 without any tips. Given you might hit a few bars / few LD's before choosing your barfine plus throwing in some tips. Generally you won't wake with much change from 10 K from a night on burgos.

I had a good run this trip. I visited Burgos twice and picked up two definite repeat girls. One from Plan be and one from Kojax.

[Member #4387]

Don't forget to add the girls fee. So the cheapest night with barfine on Burgos using Kojax as an example would be 2900 barfine plus one lady drink 300 plus your drink 250 (for foreign beer I don't know what they charge for local beer) plus 3 K for girl = 6500 without any tips. Given you might hit a few bars / few LD's before choosing your barfine plus throwing in some tips. Generally you won't wake with much change from 10 K from a night on burgos.

I had a good run this trip. I visited Burgos twice and picked up two definite repeat girls. One from Plan be and one from Kojax.I don't know why you list prices from Burgous if you want to adress me bcs again and again I have to tell fellow BM beeing addicted to AC, Burgous, Edsa whatever?, I never go there. I choose my biz elsewhere and with non prostis. Still I pay what I pay but that's only bcs I like to as the girls never asks.

[Ms Account]

I don't know why you list prices from Burgous if you want to adress me bcs again and again I have to tell fellow BM beeing addicted to AC, Burgous, Edsa whatever?, I never go there. I choose my biz elsewhere and with non prostis. Still I pay what I pay but that's only bcs I like to as the girls never asks.I interpreted your post as comparing your girl payments to Burgos prices implying that your costs were not totally out of control. I was not trying to educate you on Burgos prices so that you would be informed when you went there. So the comparison is 3-6 K for a dating website / facebook sourced girl vs 7-10 K for a Burgos outing. But if you add in your effort costs in searching websites / facebook vs just turning up to a bar then a bar girl is cheaper. I get quite disillusioned with the effort required to chat and then line up meeting a girl from facebook / dating website. Most mongers working full time with family commitments would not have the time to get optimal results from facebook / dating website trawling. Turning up to bar (even just as a backup option) combined with website sourced girls is probably the best option for most mongers.

[Wander Luster]

I interpreted your post as comparing your girl payments to Burgos prices implying that your costs were not totally out of control. I was not trying to educate you on Burgos prices so that you would be informed when you went there. So the comparison is 3-6 K for a dating website / facebook sourced girl vs 7-10 K for a Burgos outing. But if you add in your effort costs in searching websites / facebook vs just turning up to a bar then a bar girl is cheaper. I get quite disillusioned with the effort required to chat and then line up meeting a girl from facebook / dating website. Most mongers working full time with family commitments would not have the time to get optimal results from facebook / dating website trawling. Turning up to bar (even just as a backup option) combined with website sourced girls is probably the best option for most mongers.Fair enough, sometimes we just want action without dealing with extended internet chat / skype etc. But these Makati prices are STUPID. Havana club is retarded. It's really for clueless biz guys. Respect to them, but if you are not one of them, don't be a fool. Research. LA cafe is actually still ok if you have patience (which is fun there) and charisma. Did a girl there for P1000 last month 'cause mostly she just wanted to get laid (taxi money).

Paying over 60 USD in PH is offensive.

I'm now working in Vietnam, and the girls are generally 3 X hotter and w / 1/2 a brain there is no need to pay more than $40.

Why are these girls asking for 1st world prices in a 3rd world country about to elect a dude that scares the free world?

Cheers,

Wander Luster.

[Worf1972]

Why are these girls asking for 1st world prices in a 3rd world country about to elect a dude that scares the free world?

Cheers,

Wander Luster.Absolutely correct why should we come to a third world country to pay top-dollar first World prices.

[Firebird]

Perhaps this may not be the forum, but hopefully some of the locals can assist with some information.

For number of years there was a Disco called Palladium as part of the New World Hotel. Greenbelt 3 in the Ayala Center. It was quite good and well attended!

Then Palladium was "rennovated" (a very BIG mistake) and became Paradise. I went there number of times after the rennovation but it was often quite empty.

Now it has closed down.

I am looking for a similar type (as the former Palladium) high energy DANCE disco in the Makati or surrounding area.

Can someone recommend a very good quality dance disco? As I said. Not the forum but hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

Appreciate the input!!

[Firebird]

Perhaps this may not be the forum, but hopefully some of the locals can assist with some information.

For number of years there was a Disco called Palladium as part of the New World Hotel. Greenbelt 3 in the Ayala Center. It was quite good and well attended!

Then Palladium was "rennovated" (a very BIG mistake) and became Paradise. I went there number of times after the rennovation but it was often quite empty.

Now it has closed down.

I am looking for a similar type (as the former Palladium) high energy DANCE disco in the Makati or surrounding area.

Can someone recommend a very good quality dance disco? As I said. Not the forum but hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.

Appreciate the input!!P.S. And please do NOT suggest HAVANA. Don't care too much for the constant Latin beat!! I am looking for a "rock" disco! Thanks,

[Hutsori]

P.S. And please do NOT suggest HAVANA. Don't care too much for the constant Latin beat!! I am looking for a "rock" disco! Thanks,I'm not sure what a "rock" disco is. Is it Van Halen with a dance beat? If you're OK with industrial, alt rock, and punk try sa Guijo, https://www.facebook.com/saGuijo.Cafe.Bar.Events/. A live music place.

For dance places that do hissfit, cool progressive psyc trance, or sentient laugh-cry slobbercore check http://manilaclubbing.com/best-clubs-in-manila/. It doesn't cover all the clubs, but if you're into postbeat velvet crunk, minger gothic, vÅgzl fizzle, chimpstep, zombie snacktime, and ejaculata it's a good source of what's happening where.

[FreebieFan]

minger gothic,.I think a new word / words have just entered the 21st century lexicon. Classic!. Nice one Sir Huts.

[Firebird]

I'm not sure what a "rock" disco is. Is it Van Halen with a dance beat? If you're OK with industrial, alt rock, and punk try sa Guijo, https://www.facebook.com/saGuijo.Cafe.Bar.Events/. A live music place.

For dance places that do hissfit, cool progressive psyc trance, or sentient laugh-cry slobbercore check http://manilaclubbing.com/best-clubs-in-manila/. It doesn't cover all the clubs, but if you're into postbeat velvet crunk, minger gothic, vgzl fizzle, chimpstep, zombie snacktime, and ejaculata it's a good source of what's happening where.Hutsori, Many Thanks for the feedback!

Firebird.

[Pcpc1688]

Is it a well or running pipeline waters this place:-) Just kidding ofcourse.I have the boy carry it up with bamboo poles. LOL I tip them 10 p a bucket I'm not as rich as you Skoggie.

PC out.

[Socker]

Perhaps this may not be the forum, but hopefully some of the locals can assist with some information.

For number of years there was a Disco called Palladium as part of the New World Hotel. Greenbelt 3 in the Ayala Center. It was quite good and well attended!

Then Palladium was "rennovated" (a very BIG mistake) and became Paradise. I went there number of times after the rennovation but it was often quite empty.

Now it has closed down.

I am looking for a similar type (as the former Palladium) high energy DANCE disco in the Makati or surrounding area.

Can someone recommend a very good quality dance disco? As I said. Not the forum but hopefully someone can point me in the right direction.er going,

Appreciate the input!!On Burgos bring your rentals there w good rock playlist. Give DJ some pesos and he'll blast your rock. The place is usually empty so you can do what you want. Get some Audioslave or Velvet Revolver.

[X Man]

Wonderful sarcastic reply. Relax guys.


I have the boy carry it up with bamboo poles. LOL I tip them 10 p a bucket I'm not as rich as you Skoggie.

PC out.

[Pcpc1688]

Wonderful sarcastic reply. Relax guys.Just joking around Xman.

Donald and I are cool LOL.

I can't live at the Fairmont so this is my next best option.

PC out.

[BrainDrain]

I stepped away from the forum the last few weeks and just last week was annoyed at Donald Sucks posts. Then I started thinking like this:

In my case, I do business with lots of people in Philippines, have dinner at their houses, nice restaurants etc and then proudly go to have sex with the uneducated bargirls, the housemaids, the nannies.

So instead of hitting on the attractive educated work colleagues I'm hitting on the lowly paid servants.

On my next trip starting next week, instead of seeking out the super hot uneducated maid, I might raise the bar too.

BD.

[Member #4387]

Staying the last two days of my recent stay at the Ascott Makati something odd occured. We have to take into concideration Makati is a relatively populated area with many inhabitants. Ascott Makati provides many elevators in each towers. During the afternoon I was waiting for the elevator going down to the lobby and further down to meet a girl just arriving. I press the button and the elevator obviously comming from above. I have rarly ever shared an elevator with someone when I go down to the lobby. This day it is a girl inside the elevator standing with her back towards me looking into the mirror. I don't pay any attention. She turns and I look at her and it is a girl I did a couple of years ago. We both blush as she obviously remember me as well and she starts studdering something like, without me asking, "I have just visited a friend for some conferance pre work". I say just "yeah right" and laugh. That was that. I give it a 99,9% chance a lucky bloke just did her and the pre work accordingly 0,1% chance. But who cares realy. She was not repeatworthy after all so no hard feelings from my side. But it was a cute happening when infact I have hardly never met a girl I fucked before outside the hotel. I have seen some remotely stralling Glorietta though but then i hide as i dont like to expose myself in real life. Almost like two worlds collides in an elevator kind of scenario. I took a detour as it felt in a way to kreepy joining my "ex fuck" down to ground floor to pick up a new girl.

[Amanut]

I stepped away from the forum the last few weeks and just last week was annoyed at Donald Sucks posts. Then I started thinking like this: hitting on the attractive educated work colleagues.

BD.

Donald keeps his meetings almost anonymous and without business connections.

"Work colleagues" could come back to bite you in the ass. Especially in the Philippines.

You only need to tap one well educated, well connected Filipina's ass who perceives she was scorned and it could cost you a whole lot of angst both personally and professionally.

Educated, employed Filipinas are outstanding. Go for it, but keep it outside the circle you associate with professionally.

[BrainDrain]

Donald keeps his meetings almost anonymous and without business connections.

"Work colleagues" could come back to bite you in the ass. Especially in the Philippines.

You only need to tap one well educated, well connected Filipina's ass who perceives she was scorned and it could cost you a whole lot of angst both personally and professionally.

Educated, employed Filipinas are outstanding. Go for it, but keep it outside the circle you associate with professionally.Actually you are totally correct.

I do need to reconsider this strategy. I was thinking of calling back onto one of my former suppliers, the account manager there. I will definitely be changing strategy. Lots of other amazing account managers outside of my network.

[Ms Account]

I had written up in a previous FR that Horizon (next to Jools) had recently reopened (after the previous bar called Davina (forget the name?) went bust). They were charging 400 LD no BF and to boot added a 10% service charge.

I went back there on Saturday purely to catch up with a dancer from Stardust since the dancers had moved from SD to Horizons. I have to admit the management run a good show. The show I saw at 1 am was a Michael Jackson show and it was excellent. They followed that up with three excellent Filipino pole dancers and then Lina one of three Russian girls was the best pole dancer I have ever seen.

The bad news is they raised prices. LD was 500 now. When I asked the waitress how they justify increase from 400 to 500: "we have Russian girls now". But to boot, the service charge is now 12% plus local tax of 3%. So that the LD is 575 pesos.

However the drink prices are quite realistic. 200 pesos for foreign beer plus the 15% = 230. And they have a range of around 7 foreign beers including my favorite Asahi. The wine is also good quality Aussie wine at 200 pesos per glass = 230 after the 15%. None of the bars on Burgos do wine well (the red is ok at Jools because the owner Tony drinks red but the white wine is terrible).

So for someone looking for a reasonably priced foreign beer / wine and watch a good show. I recommend going to Horizons for the show. Just don't sit with any girl or look for a BF.

[LeadingRebel]

Had to reset my password and ID here as couldn't get my old ID and password sent to my email for some reason.

Anyway. Have been mongering across Asia whilst away on business trips for 5 years now. Mostly in BKK, KL, Jakarta and Shanghai. Various reports here from different cities but not a real prolific reporter. My bad.

Am coming to Makati for a very brief visit soon. Land on Saturday PM and leave Wednesday evening. Working only on Monday and Tuesday. Hopefully will have both these nights free for some Internet action and have already secured some potential using badoo and PL. (doing the ground work early.

So far I have spent the last few days RTFF. I got back to page 101 and decided I am armed with all the data I need. Some great advice and thanks to all those that have contributed to help new to the city peeps like me.

Decided to go for drinks on Saturday as I enjoy a tipsy pick up and will be desperate for some action after a two week stint in a non easy mongering country (South Korea). Looking forward to sharing my first experience of Makati. Sunday, will be internet meet up with a cute young thing. Maybe cinema and dinner then back to room. Monday, maybe repeat or have another one set up from internet. Older but dirty and wants me to fuck her ass.

Tuesday I will go for a drunken outing again as I fly back to Europe on Wednesday night. (and then back to Asia for the weekend).

I will be staying at New World Hotel so hoping all the reports will give me the direction I needed. Assuming hotel will be OK to bring girls back to. Wheels down soon. I cannot wait. Reports to follow. It's good to be back.

[BrainDrain]

Looking forward to sharing my first experience of Makati. Sunday, will be internet meet up with a cute young thing. Maybe cinema and dinner then back to room. Monday, maybe repeat or have another one set up from internet. Older but dirty and wants me to fuck her ass.

Tuesday I will go for a drunken outing again as I fly back to Europe on Wednesday night. (and then back to Asia for the weekend).
Can I suggest adding a few backup numbers into your plans. Pinay are well known for being unreliable. Many do not actually put any of your details into action until you are in country.

As a guide, I have a two day, one night work trip in Manila. I have 8 numbers for this period. I'm thinking I will need more:

I expect a) one sick parents plus b) sorry I need to go work now plus c) oh, when I said Manila I meant "Batangas" etc etc Just have a few others that you can have as backups.

Sounds like a fun couple of days.

Easy on the alcohol in Philippines. There are lots of opportunists.

BD.

[Hutsori]

Am coming to Makati for a very brief visit soon. Land on Saturday PM and leave Wednesday evening. Working only on Monday and Tuesday. Hopefully will have both these nights free for some Internet action and have already secured some potential using badoo and PL. (doing the ground work early.

You haven't mentioned a specific goal(s). Is it to get laid a lot with different women or have dates with a few? Is your goal to see a movie? (What's playing at the cinema, btw?) Eat dinner? Bring the girl back to your hotel if she maybe she's agreeable? Sounds like a nice date. Is that your goal?

What I understand from your post is you have possibilities, one more likely than the other. Maybe possibilities is your goal, and any extras such as actual sex is a nice bonus. What's your fallback if neither of those possibilities work out?

You have about 5-6 hours Saturday night, all day Sunday, maybe a few hours Monday and Tuesday night, and Wed morning and afternoon.

[LeadingRebel]

You haven't mentioned a specific goal(s). Is it to get laid a lot with different women or have dates with a few? Is your goal to see a movie? (What's playing at the cinema, btw?) Eat dinner? Bring the girl back to your hotel if she maybe she's agreeable? Sounds like a nice date. Is that your goal?

What I understand from your post is you have possibilities, one more likely than the other. Maybe possibilities is your goal, and any extras such as actual sex is a nice bonus. What's your fallback if neither of those possibilities work out?

You have about 5-6 hours Saturday night, all day Sunday, maybe a few hours Monday and Tuesday night, and Wed morning and afternoon.Hi Hutsori,

Thanks for the reply.

My goals are quite open. If the first girl I meet is good I may keep her whole time I am there.

But I'm easy. Will most likely only go to Burgos or Greenbelt 3 area. No other time.

Just wanted to contribute after reading 101 pages. And to let others know a full report is on its way after sampling the delights of Manila.

My final day flight is 23:55 so I'm OK to be awake all night and sleep all day. Makes the trip to Europe feel less challenging.

[Hutsori]

My goals are quite open. If the first girl I meet is good I may keep her whole time I am there.

But I'm easy. Will most likely only go to Burgos or Greenbelt 3 area. No other time.

Just wanted to contribute after reading 101 pages. And to let others know a full report is on its way after sampling the delights of Manila.

My final day flight is 23:55 so I'm OK to be awake all night and sleep all day. Makes the trip to Europe feel less challenging.Very good. You have backup plans to the dating sites. If your Wed ends up being open, you may want to check out of your Makati hotel early, grab a room near LA Cafe, and you'll have that place to pull from throughout the entire day and early evening.

Have a great trip. Look forward to your report.

[FunExplorer]

I arrived at Manila with considerable excitement as this is my first visit here. I arrived evening and experienced the slow traffic. It took taxi over a hour to reach hotel in P. Burgos Street, Makati.

After a quick shower, I was out of the hotel and onto the street at 8 PM. Visited Dimples, Bottoms, High Heels. I was disappointed with the line up probably because I had high expectation about these Bars.

Had couple of beers everywhere before heading to Moulin Rogue at 11.30 PM.

The bar had a line up of about 25 girls. Settled there for a couple of drinks even as I was eyeing the girls. Nothing exceptional. The girls were not very enthusiastic mainly because there were very few customers.

I could count 9 including me and that was at 12.15. A girl was making eye contact with me and smiling. She was an enthusiastic dancer with a smiling face. Well I would rate her 5 out of 10. Nothing to make her.

Extraordinary. Still, I invited her for drinks. She was naughty. We had couple of more drinks, which did not come cheap at Peso 390 each for her and Peso 160 each for me for local beer. I learnt her name was Lynn.

But then these are the prices almost everywhere in Makati, as I realized last evening. Lynn said she was 23 years old but I would think 28.

Even as I continued eye other girls when Lynn was with me doing everything possible to distract my attention towards other girls and focus on her, another hour passed by and I could not decide any other girl.

I was in a way carried away by Lynn's attention to me and decided to bar fine her. Because we had substantial number of drinks, the mamasan asked for barfine of Peso 2500, saying the regular BF is Peso 3900.

Meanwhile, the girl persuaded me to pay her Peso 2500. Out we went strait to hotel. After a couple of more beers and fairly satisfying sex, she said she is hungry. We went out and had pizzas before returning to the.

Hotel for our next session. I sent the girl in the morning with a tip of Peso 500. The total damage Peso 6400 excluding drinks.

[FictionalSpace]

Had to reset my password and ID here as couldn't get my old ID and password sent to my email for some reason.

Anyway. Have been mongering across Asia whilst away on business trips for 5 years now. Mostly in BKK, KL, Jakarta and Shanghai. Various reports here from different cities but not a real prolific reporter. My bad.

Am coming to Makati for a very brief visit soon. Land on Saturday PM and leave Wednesday evening. Working only on Monday and Tuesday. Hopefully will have both these nights free for some Internet action and have already secured some potential using badoo and PL. (doing the ground work early.

So far I have spent the last few days RTFF. I got back to page 101 and decided I am armed with all the data I need. Some great advice and thanks to all those that have contributed to help new to the city peeps like me.

Decided to go for drinks on Saturday as I enjoy a tipsy pick up and will be desperate for some action after a two week stint in a non easy mongering country (South Korea). Looking forward to sharing my first experience of Makati. Sunday, will be internet meet up with a cute young thing. Maybe cinema and dinner then back to room. Monday, maybe repeat or have another one set up from internet. Older but dirty and wants me to fuck her ass.

Tuesday I will go for a drunken outing again as I fly back to Europe on Wednesday night. (and then back to Asia for the weekend).

I will be staying at New World Hotel so hoping all the reports will give me the direction I needed. Assuming hotel will be OK to bring girls back to. Wheels down soon. I cannot wait. Reports to follow. It's good to be back.New World Hotel was 100% girl friendly when I stayed there. Brought girls with me and had WeChat girls. No problem or charges (as seems to be the norm in the Phils).

[CallSign Papa]

The bar had a line up of about 25 girls. Settled there for a couple of drinks even as I was eyeing the girls. Nothing exceptional. Good report. Try Kojax which is 30 yeards down a side road near the Bourbon Street bar. Personally I'd say they have the best lineup, but that's obviously subjective.

[Member #4387]

This FR or what we can call it I put here since the toys I am using mostly will be used in manila / makati.

Today I went for a strall downtown and suddenly I noticed a new sex shop was in town. I must say I allways feel a bit uncomfortable walking into such eastablishment (some sort of tabu I guess) but a man got to do what a man got to do. My toolbox was empty so I needed stock up some new tools. Since a new mongerspree can happen suddenly(if a travel window opens)I need to have a decent equipped emergency bag on stand by. I tend to give away my tools on each trip which I allways regret when I am safe and sound back home. Well well.

Inside the shop, and this is where the awkward part starts, I was all alone. I was just browsing around when I heard a smokey old voice asked me "can I help you". I turned around and there was an old hag of a lady (70 yo at least). Obviously she worked there. No offence to old people ofcourse (my mom runs 68 this year). So far so good. I told her I was looking for a dildo and something in the buttplugarea. She guided me to the correct sections. What was not so good was this oldie start elaborating how she liked this and that one pointing at dildoes to large for SEA cuties. She handed me a massive rubberdick (I mean it was like 50 cm and quite thick) and I stood there with it in myarms and the lady told me how she used this regulary. In all shyness I asked if she had something a bit smaller, which she ofcourse had. Speculations but still, I am sure the old hag would demonstrate the use of the massive dick right there in the shop if I asked. She was no flower so I wasnt even the slightiest aroused and felt more like vomiting.

She dissapears into some hidden sections of the shop. From the backroom I've heard her scream "do you like a "Fuck me silly"? I was scared and replied "what". She brought out a dildo called "fuck me silly". I started to become realy afraid so I just looked at a black one hanging on the wall looking like a dolphin. In the same moment I saw a couple of buttplugs and I just tared them down from their place and put them on the counter. I couldn't get out of there fast enough. She bagged them items and I grabbed the bag and walked / ran out of there. Out on the street I hear the same voice screaming "you forgot to pay the sextoys". As a isolated event nothing wrong about this as it was ofcourse not my intentions to not pay up. My mind was in escapemode. Where it all went wrong was when I noticed the street outside was crowded with families at a playground close by and most of them, young and old, heard the old hag scream. If it only existed a big deep hole in the ground I could jump into but ofcourse no such thing existed. I blushed and in all my facial redness I had to walk back inside and paid my bill.

I give the oldie creds for not beeing angry. Infact she told me this happens all the time as people are a bit shy to shop for these items. I paid while she continued to elaborate around her sexual experience. I am so happy alcohol is invented.

Here are the humble result and a motivation pic..

[MrWoolyBooly]

I am so happy alcohol is invented.For anybody who's every wanted to forget, this is the best quote ever.

[Dg8787]

For anybody who's every wanted to forget, this is the best quote ever.I think that quote was from many bargirls over the past 5 decades! Maybe that is why some end up as runners as the alcoholic effects start to fade.

[FunExplorer]

With yesterday's experience, I lowered my expectation. Visited Kojax, Ringside, Plan be among others. Even though this was a Saturday, the number of customers appeared fewer except in Ringside. I could not make initially any selection despite visiting these bars and couple of others, whose names I cannot immediately recollect, as I was not pretty much impressed with the girls. Since it was only 11 PM, I continued with my beers even as I was scouting for a girl who would appeal to me. I hoped that my efforts would yield results.

As suggested by a senior member, I revisited Kojax around 11.45 PM and the line up was about 25 to 30 girls. Settled for a couple of beers even as I preyed on the girls. I spotted a girl who was making eye contact with me. Even as girls attempted to draw my attention, I was just focused on this girl. I asked the girl to join me for a drink. Her name was Apole she said. Pretty girl with nice curves and looked what she claimed: 24 years. We continued with our drinking session while I continued to examine other girls on the stage. Not to be thought much, as I had almost come to the conclusion and I would only BF this girl and not any other in this club.

Spoke to Mamasan, who quoted Peso 2900, off we sent to hotel. The girl was not demanding and wanted Peso 2500, which I readily agreed. I would say, this was one of my best sessions in various positions and her.

BJ was very good. It was almost 4 am when I saw the girl off. Over all nice experience.

[Wicked Roger]

This FR or what we can call it I put here since the toys I am using mostly will be used in manila / makati.

Today I went for a strall downtown and suddenly I noticed a new sex shop was in town. I must say I allways feel a bit uncomfortable walking into such eastablishment (some sort of tabu I guess) but a man got to do what a man got to do. My toolbox was empty so I needed stock up some new tools.
I give the oldie creds for not beeing angry. Infact she told me this happens all the time as people are a bit shy to shop for these items. I paid while she continued to elaborate around her sexual experience. I am so happy alcohol is invented.

Here are the humble result and a motivation pic..DS,

A good boy scout is always prepared and that means the tool box area as well LOL. Am never short of the odd item but admit I did do a shopping spree recently but this was more slutty dresses, heels, stuff made of leather etc but I got a bargain on some toys, was like 5 in 1 tool kit.

As for taboo etc I find it exciting wandering in and chatting to the girl (s). One time in the UK the rather tasty shop assistant (part Danish part pinay) commented that WR knew a lot about the toys to which my friend who came with me replied "trust me love he knows way more than you do" LOL.

Got her number and I had fun helping her 'sales pitch' so she could be a better sales lady.

But naturally am not suggesting you get the old lady's number as I know your tastes are slightly younger DS.

Next time we should coordinate and if in town can give you some of my tools.

Will message for the shops details as I know some but a new one always piques my interest.

And, the super large dildo. Are you sure she did not give you a dildo for baklas not girls? LOL.

[Coolica]

I've tried enter Kojax a few times like 3-4 times on different occasions, they always turn me down saying it's a private party or whatever (the usual excuse.) Thus I've never gotten into Kojax. Same thing happens in Plan be, only got in there like once.

[Member #4387]

DS
But naturally am not suggesting you get the old lady's number as I know your tastes are slightly younger DS.

Next time we should coordinate and if in town can give you some of my tools.

Will message for the shops details as I know some but a new one always piques my interest.

And, the super large dildo. Are you sure she did not give you a dildo for baklas not girls? LOL.I hope you understood that the shop is in Oslo, Norway? But if you travel around the world to visit various sex shops, why not, I give you the details, hehe. The 70 something sales lady will be a bit to much even to me so I wouldn't want her number if hell freezes and me and her are the only one left wrapped in furry clothings. I bet she got a long life of dirty experience though so I could ask her to write up here. I don't think she would be to fuzzy about the madness going about inside here.

The dildo was huge. I've seen some in my relatively short life allready but nothing ever like this. I bet its diameter was around 15 cm. Sweet mother of God to take that one up your shitter. Woooha..

[GoodEnough]

I've tried enter Kojax a few times like 3-4 times on different occasions, they always turn me down saying it's a private party or whatever (the usual excuse.) Thus I've never gotten into Kojax. Same thing happens in Plan be, only got in there like once.I'm a pretty frequent visitor to both Plan be and Kojax and I've never see anyone refused entry. I don't doubt what you're saying, but I've no idea why this would be the case.

[FunExplorer]

I've tried enter Kojax a few times like 3-4 times on different occasions, they always turn me down saying it's a private party or whatever (the usual excuse.) Thus I've never gotten into Kojax. Same thing happens in Plan be, only got in there like once.I am surprised to hear this. I was at Kojax on Saturday and that was my first visit and there was no problem. Cannot understand as to why this was so.

[Coolica]

I am surprised to hear this. I was at Kojax on Saturday and that was my first visit and there was no problem. Cannot understand as to why this was so.Well it's probably due mostly to the fact that I look somewhat young and Asian. I'm sure white folks don't have any issues going into places like this as the typical assumption towards white males here are "the folks with money" while looking Asian in PH is more of a hindrance.

That said, I've never been able to get in. Their loss I guess. I've kinda gotten sick of P. Burgoss anyways. The hangout I really enjoyed (Horizon, which is on the other section of P. Burgoss) I stopped frequenting because of some "personal" issues, but I would totally recommend that place to anyone looking for a good time. You just have to get a bottle (about double the standard price, around 8 k) and it comes with a VIP room if any are available. The best part is the girls can drink from your bottle in the VIP instead of having to buy them girl drinks. It's more of a "have a fun night hanging out all night" instead of a "barfine them and take them home" kind of deal.

As I've said I've also gotten sick of P. Burgos so I've switched over to QC KTV's and they are actually quite fun, they follow more of the traditional Chinese KTV setup where you pick girls to sit with you in your private room area and you open a bottle and have fun, then you can take them upstairs to their motel for a good time. Very hot girls, problem is though QC is more tailored for the Filipino Chinese inhabitants of the Philippines and thus if you are white you MIGHT not get very far. I'm not really sure if it will be like how I'm rejected at Kojax all the time (I doubt they would turn down white guys) but my point is their main clientele are Chinese who speak tagalog. Though I did take my American Caucasian friend to a QC KTV once they didn't seem to mind, so it's probably OK. QC is like the hub of KTV and high end massage parlors (similar to Thailand), just that most white folk are either not into that or prefer the P. Burgos / Angeles City vibe. The girls here might not suite Caucasian tastes either as they are more tailored for Asians (fair skinned girls are the majority, since as you all know Asians dislike dark skin.) The thing you have to watch out for is that you can't get away with only 5 K in these places as they are the complete package, so expect to spend minimum of 10 K, double that if you decide to take your girls to the motel upstairs. There are several KTV's all around the same budget.

If you are looking for a simple stress release without the hassle of barfine and what not, it's just better to go to a massage parlor in QC like Kremlin. They charge 1.5 K for the best room (or 2nd best I forgot, but they have a shower and steam closet inside the bathroom so it's a nice room) and you just tip the girl 2 K. There's others as well like Wilderness Spa etc, all around the same price also. The diff is that you usually only get 1 or 2 pops depending if the girl likes you.

I've also tried those massage parlors in Makati that are more tailored for white people and local pinoys, man those places cheap but they are terrible, their rooms suck (not private at all, just cubicles and the doors are just cloth curtains) and it's just a disgusting vibe.

Haha I guess this turned into sort of a multi-field report post, since I haven't done so in a while. I'm more of a location / establishment explorer so I've tried most of the establishments around QC / Makati / BGC, that's why it bothers me the times I try Kojax it won't let me in. Whatever I guess.

[ImAGuy]

At Coolica, that's odd, whenever I see a hot Pinay with a non local guy, 99% of the time it's a Korean / Chinese dude. If anything, it seems like white people are generally looked down on in the Philippines. Could just be the area I'm in, though. (Cavite).

[Coolica]

At Coolica, that's odd, whenever I see a hot Pinay with a non local guy, 99% of the time it's a Korean / Chinese dude. If anything, it seems like white people are generally looked down on in the Philippines. Could just be the area I'm in, though. (Cavite).I'm not knowledgable at all about Cavite, but from what I do know based on friends living there, the majority of the population are Japanese / Korean, much like how Fil-Chi populate QC, so I'd assume the places there are tailored to that crowd. In Makati though it's white man central, the clubs and bars are populated with white men and are more than welcomed.

[FunExplorer]

Today being Sunday, I took it easy till afternoon and then went for a city tour of Manila. The city has very little to offer. Returned by 5 PM. I was seeing every day freelancers on the Burgos but did not pay attention. So, today I was wondering why not? I sat down at a cafe and was watching the girls trooping up and down the street. A big menace was lady boys. There were quite a few of them at 6.30 PM. Even as I was having beer, I saw two girls who gave nice smile and I went up to talk to them. I was interested in one of them, who appeared to be naughty. She wanted Peso 2000. I was surprised at this, as I thought such prices prevailed only in bars. I said am not willing to pay so much. But the girl was not going to give up so easily. She tried her best to persuade me and then came up with an offer which I could not refuse. She said she, Kim and her friend Rose would both go together with me for Peso 3000 and when I wanted to know how long would they stay, they surprised me saying till 6 AM. I thought that was a good deal and took both of them to the hotel. Especially so because, I never had threesome and I was excited about it.

After shower with Kim, I decide to have sex with her first. Rose meanwhile was disinterested and looking at her phone constantly and watching TV. After initial round of sex with Kim, which was no doubt good, I wanted to have sex with Rose, who by then had taken shower. It was mechanical as she was totally unenthusiastic and I was put off by that.

I was, however, astonished when I finished with Rose, she said she wanted to go as she has to take care of her child and Kim came with absurd excuses to go with her. After argument, I let the girls go. I remembered the runners and did not quite expect I would experience myself.

Is it the way things go here in Makati? I was disillusioned.

[FunExplorer]

Delayed report: I arrived in the afternoon from AC after cutting short a day there. Got ready to set out by 6 PM. I thought I had little choice except to go to bars to pick up girls after my experience with the girls in the street.

Security staff at the hotel where I stayed on Burgos Street had been friendly with me after generous tips. While on a conversation with him, he suggested I take a look at a near by brothel in Cina (? Was it something else) and even arranged a cab to take me there at Peso 300 to go and come back with the girl. He assured me that I will find beautiful girls from Peso 2500 to 3500. I took his advice and proceeded to the place in the cab. When we reached there, I found an old house with door closed in a road which was almost deserted at 7 PM. The place was looking shady. The cab driver knocked the door and a man opened the door with a smile. It was a varandha with a stair case and that was an old one. I almost decided to return to the hotel but the man persuaded me to climb up the stair case and take a look at the girls. So, up I went and was surprised to see an air conditioned big hall with about 25 girls. I started examining the girls for the next ten minutes and eventually zeroed on a beauty who was about 27 years. Not that she was a stunner. She had smile on her face all the time and more importantly was making eye contact with me, which was not the case with others. It seemed to me girls were more interested in their mobiles beside make up on their faces with lipstick. I was quoted Peso 3500 for the girl. After negotiation, the price came down to Peso 3000 and I was told that the girl will be with me till 6 AM. So, I took the girl with me to the hotel.

After couple of drinks, we had shower together and then sex, which was fairly satisfactory. She did a good job on BJ and even offered me bare sex which of course, I did not opt. We had nice time and I let the girl go at 3 AM so that I can have some rest. Over all good experience.

[VicVeg]

Had fun. After AC, I came to burgos. I had ex GF's to meet, and massages to get. Stayed at Makati palace. Wifi sucks, but location is good and breakfast is good.

I called up nuru massage place and asked for a young girl, no kids, thin. They sent over a stunner with killer body. Her snatch was trimmed, but full hair. Nice.

She asked for a lot of $ but I didn't care, I needed some of her. I licked that hairy snatch and entered her. She said she had only been with phils and Koreans before now, and never had a white dick. She said she was in pain. But wow, what fun. Then I asked for a BJ to end, and she sucked like a pro, and let it dribble out when I came. Wow! I love the PI!

Then I called another massage girl I had seen 3 x's before and she wouldn't let me touch her at all the first time, but I F'd her the next two times. This time, it was like we were BF / GF, wow. She was kissing etc. Hot and horny. Gottta love the PI!

[LeadingRebel]

Day 1. Makati.

After my desire for pussy in Kuala Lumpur had been hit and miss I was super excited to be arriving into Manilla.

Arrive bang in time and relatively simple exit from airport. Only delay was the works at the airport.

Arrived at hotel and had already arranged to meet my date I have chatting to via Badoo and then Line. She was waiting nervously in Starbucks in Greenbelt and my hotel was close by. 10 minutes walk max.

Arrived in Starbucks and got chatting. Got over the nerves of meeting for first time and had a drink.

We headed back to the hotel and she was grateful for the AC. Offered food and drink and she accepted. Then we kissed for the first time and she was super responsive. This was not for money. We had been talking for about a month and she isn't a working girl.

Got naked and, fuck me senseless, her body was fit and tight and super damn sexy. Just what I had been seeing in photos she had been sending. She was dripping wet and I decided to out towel on bed to stop the sheets from getting too damp. We fucked for about 45 minutes. Different positions. Slowly and then fast. Then we came at same time. Laying in bed exhausted.

Got showered and dressed and went out for some food and drink in Greenbelt. Watch band play some music and drinking more. About 12 p midnight decided to come back to the room. On the way back I slipped the little blue pill of sexual power down my throat.

Got naked and drank some of duty free I had bought. More fucking and I got to tell you she was fucking hotter than I imagined. Really into each other in a sexual way.

I was finding it hard to cum and after about an hour if fucking all over the bedroom in various positions. She gave me a blow job and licked me just how I like it until I exploded in her mouth. Good girl. Off to bathroom and she rinsed my protein shake out.

Then time to sleep. Something so nice about sleeping with a hot young body. Woke at 7 am and she had already told me she loves morning sex. So gently woke her up by licking her pussy as she slept. The juices began to flow and she woke up. Another fucking session and this time after an hour I knew I wasn't going to cum.

We lay in arms and slept some more. 9:30 woke again and she got on top of me after a quick blow job and rode me like a bronco. She was having time of her life. So happy and horny. Who am I to deny such pleasure so I let her continue for a while. Then flipped her over and began fucking her whilst on top. Then turn over for some doggy style and just pushed and pushed harder and harder. Apologies to the people in next room to me.

Came so hard my whole body was shaking. Fucking amazing feeling.

Then got dressed, went for lunch in cafe Havana. Went shopping. I bought her a new phone. (Relatively cheap but wanted to give her something of value and not offer cash). Came back to hotel and we made out some more but no sex. Then taxi money and spare change in her hands off she went back home.

I could see her again and it would be a cheap way of fucking. But I'm not sure I want to only experience one pussy whilst here.

Tonight I may stake out Greenbelt area. And because I am working tomorrow I don't mind if it's a solo night. Will only choose if girl looks amazing and the chemistry is there.

More reports soon.

(Sequences have been shortened. Some of the above report has been removed to speed up the reading. Assume that all activities were safe and under protection).

[LeadingRebel]

Had a relaxing day doing some easy work from my hotel room but meant by end of the day I was knackered from bad posture and looking at screen all day.

Lay in bed and fell asleep at 7 pm. Woke at 9 pm and wasn't sure whether to go out or not.

In the end decided it was last night here so may want to get out of the hotel room.

Showered and dressed and walked over to cafe Havana. Got a seat and table near the corner next to Starbucks and it was nice and quiet table, out of the way. But gave good vantage point over the options. Had not really any intention of picking up a girl. Just enjoy the atmosphere and people watch.

Had a few looks from some girls in Havana and Starbucks but I wasn't out fishing so kept nursing my drink. Suddenly I saw something that got me thinking filthy dirty and horny thoughts. Sat in middle of the tables and hard to make eye contact. But eventually made it and called her over.

Bought her a drink and chatted. She wasn't a typical Pinay. Taller and huge fucking tits. Not really what I normally go for. But she had great personality and amazing eyes. Decided to just chat and told her I may not take her back with me.

So we just chatted and then I asked if I did take her back how much would cost be? She said 7 k short time. I nearly spat my drink out with laughter. OK sweetheart time to cut the interview short. You didn't get the job.

But actually I was OK just chatting because was nice to not be alone and I want feeling desperate for a fuck.

Night wore on more drink and the horny levels kicked in a bit. Then she said stay til 7 am 4 K only if she can video.

By this time it's 00:15 and I'm in horny mode. Walk back to hotel and as soon as door shuts she drops my trousers get out my cock and gives it some good attention. Looking up at me with those amazing eyes.

What followed was some great fucking. Including fucking her from behind, whilst standing upright, against the hotel window with the light on. Her body pressed against the glass. Can still see the outline of her tits and her face on the glass. Oh the sweet memories.

Fucked 3 times before sleeping. And she left this morning after waking me up with a blowjob and wanking me off. I had no fucking energy left in me.

A great way to end my time here in Manila. I'm here all day today as have a late flight but I can't be ass to find another fuck. Will start again next week when I'm back In KL. Although not sure what Ramadan does the scene there.

[AlohaRicnsa]

Thanks for the detail reports. I am going to visit Manila in 2 weeks. Looking forward for a new adventure!


Had a relaxing day doing some easy work from my hotel room but meant by end of the day I was knackered from bad posture and looking at screen all day.

Lay in bed and fell asleep at 7 pm. Woke at 9 pm and wasn't sure whether to go out or not.

In the end decided it was last night here so may want to get out of the hotel room.

Showered and dressed and walked over to cafe Havana. Got a seat and table near the corner next to Starbucks and it was nice and quiet table, out of the way. But gave good vantage point over the options. Had not really any intention of picking up a girl. Just enjoy the atmosphere and people watch.

Had a few looks from some girls in Havana and Starbucks but I wasn't out fishing so kept nursing my drink. Suddenly I saw something that got me thinking filthy dirty and horny thoughts. Sat in middle of the tables and hard to make eye contact. But eventually made it and called her over..

[Tercar 66]

Hi guys,

I will be visiting the Phil again after 2 years. Should I stay in Makati near Burgos or in Ermita near LE Café. Good value for money and GFE.

Thanks

[Blanquiceleste]

Hi guys,

I will be visiting the Phil again after 2 years. Should I stay in Makati near Burgos or in Ermita near LE Caf. Good value for money and GFE.

ThanksStaying at Makati keeps you close to Burgos. Other joints like Greenbelt are easier to access. But the options for stay are generally more expensive around there. LA Cafe (MBC) would be a short taxi ride away, around 100 P and available in plenty.

OTOH staying at Ermita / Malate gives you access to MBC. Other spots like Robinsons, Mall of Asia, Harrison Plaza are all within easy reach. Options to stay are cheaper. Burgos is a short taxi ride away, although it might a bit of a challenge to flag down a taxi at certain times of the day.

EDSA is accessible from both locations, although over my past two trips I have come to believe EDSA is a waste of time, effort, energy & money. Yet, there are reports from BMs about managing a full week's supplies solely from EDSA. To each his own.

Coming to price and perceived quality. Burgos does it for me. Its top dollar alright, but I feel good about shelling out that dough for what I get in return. A good night at Burgos that ends with a cutie in bed can set you back by 7000 P. In contrast things are cheaper at MBC. But I cannot bring myself to do most of the women that hang around there. The ones that I probably would, I would only settle for one pop, strictly.

So, whatever floats your boat.

[Sammon]

Hi guys,

I will be visiting the Phil again after 2 years. Should I stay in Makati near Burgos or in Ermita near LE Caf. Good value for money and GFE.

ThanksThere are all kinds of women. Good looking girls are expensive. Service is never guaranteed whether you pick a girl cheap or expensive. Most eye candy, s are in makati and Edsa bars.

Hotel prices tend to be cheaper in ermita. LA cafe is a freelancer hangout and filled with girls. Sometimes you may pick a nice freelancer there. Even if you stay in ermita it is a short taxi ride to any place you want to go.

It all depends on personal preference. If you want top notch girls and willing to pay makati bars is the place and staying near is the wise choice.

As for me I prefer normal girls I meet in dating sites. Some are really pretty and it does not cost much. I start communicating two months before arrival and try to line up. But like anything sometimes everything falls apart and LA cafe and edsa is always there. I am not a fan of makati bars.

[Member #4698]

I will be visiting the Phil again after 2 years. Should I stay in Makati near Burgos or in Ermita near LE Caf. Good value for money and GFE.

It is up to you. I have stayed in Makati, Malate, and Pasay and found very good accommodation and great girls in all three areas. Each area has a particular atmosphere and vibe. When I stay in Makati, I tend not leave Makati because it has everything I want, but when I stay in Malate or Pasay, I find that I eventually (after a few nights) end up traveling to Burgos or I invite my Burgos girls to come see me over by the Bay because I want more. Ha Ha! A good taxi driver knows to take the Arnaiz Ave scenic shortcut to Makati instead of getting stuck forever on the EDSA. AT 9 pm the ride usually takes around 30 to 40 minutes from the Bay area to Burgos Street via Arnaiz which is acceptable to me on occasion. So generally I prefer to stay in Makati, but once in a while I like to mix it up a little and stay in Malate or Pasay.

[FreebieFan]

A good taxi driver knows to take the Arnaiz Ave scenic shortcut to Makati instead of getting stuck forever on the EDSA. AT 9 pm the ride usually takes around 30 to 40 minutes from the Bay area to Burgos Street via Arnaiz which is acceptable to me on occasion.And for non Makati residents, new visitors, if you ask driver to take the A Arnaiz road and he gives you the blank "what the heck are you talking about" look. Tell him Pasay Road.

Then he will get it. They changed the name 20 plus years but for many, its still and will always be Pasay Road.

[Red Kilt]

And for non Makati residents, new visitors, if you ask driver to take the A Arnaiz road and he gives you the blank "what the heck are you talking about" look. Tell him Pasay Road.

Then he will get it. They changed the name 20 plus years but for many, its still and will always be Pasay Road.Good tip FF.

I would think most taxi drivers would not know A Arnaiz if you use that name.

Same with Buendia / Gil Puyat Avenue. However, this is equally well-known by both names.

Plenty of other examples around Manila. Emerald Avenue in Ortigas is "officially" F Ortigas Ave, but nobody ever uses that. Even the BPI branch on F Ortigas is registered as Emerald Ortigas branch.

Just another quirky little feature of life in the Philippines, but a quirk that could see you get derailed easily by an ill-informed taxi-driver.

[Hutsori]

Just another quirky little feature of life in the Philippines, but a quirk that could see you get derailed easily by an ill-informed taxi-driver.And if you pull up google maps to show him where it is the street names used are the new ones. Better to search for 'makati list of old and new street names' or 'what's the alternate name of ______ street / avenue'. BTW, if you ride the jeep you'll find the names painted on it are the old ones. Even businesses use the old street name, such as BPI Pasong Tamo branch, which is in Chino Roces Ave.

[GoodEnough]

And for non Makati residents, new visitors, if you ask driver to take the A Arnaiz road and he gives you the blank "what the heck are you talking about" look. Tell him Pasay Road.

Then he will get it. They changed the name 20 plus years but for many, its still and will always be Pasay Road.Or, you could download Waze on your smartphone, and provide step-by-step directions to the driver.

[CallSign Papa]

Quiet thread these days, are you all too busy with the ladies to write, or just too exhausted? .

I'm back in two weeks. How have things changed since the new big cheese took over, is there any noticeable difference? Anyone been to Kojax lately?

Where's DS? Did his weiner finally drop off through chronic overuse?!

[Wicked Roger]

Quiet thread these days, are you all too busy with the ladies to write, or just too exhausted? .

I'm back in two weeks. How have things changed since the new big cheese took over, is there any noticeable difference? Anyone been to Kojax lately?

Where's DS? Did his weiner finally drop off through chronic overuse?!All of the above CSP, plus Kojax seems to a popular place much preferred by many it seems (and me when am Manila).

DS aka Dragon Slayer (see his forum and GE FR here 6 months ago about his death.

[CallSign Papa]

All of the above CSP, plus Kojax seems to a popular place much preferred by many it seems (and me when am Manila).

DS aka Dragon Slayer (see his forum and GE FR here 6 months ago about his death.In this instance it was Donald Sucks I was referring to, but very sad to hear about Dragon Slayer.

[Wicked Roger]

In this instance it was Donald Sucks I was referring to, but very sad to hear about Dragon Slayer.Sorry misunderstood you CSP.

DS is also Donald yes and he has been quiet recently but am sure he won't be for too long.

[CallSign Papa]

Sorry misunderstood you CSP.

DS is also Donald yes and he has been quiet recently but am sure he won't be for too long.No problem, I'll be sure to update the board on my adventures on Burgos.

[Gunners1]

Great. Waiting for your reports. As I have planned a trip to the land of filiis in early August.

Enjoy.

G.


No problem, I'll be sure to update the board on my adventures on Burgos.

[Simian]

Delayed report: I arrived in the afternoon from AC after cutting short a day there. Got ready to set out by 6 PM. I thought I had little choice except to go to bars to pick up girls after my experience with the girls in the street.

Security staff at the hotel where I stayed on Burgos Street had been friendly with me after generous tips. While on a conversation with him, he suggested I take a look at a near by brothel in Cina (? Was it something else) and even arranged a cab to take me there at Peso 300 to go and come back with the girl. He assured me that I will find beautiful girls from Peso 2500 to 3500. I took his advice and proceeded to the place in the cab. When we reached there, I found an old house with door closed in a road which was almost deserted at 7 PM. The place was looking shady. The cab driver knocked the door and a man opened the door with a smile. It was a varandha with a stair case and that was an old one. I almost decided to return to the hotel but the man persuaded me to climb up the stair case and take a look at the girls. So, up I went and was surprised to see an air conditioned big hall with about 25 girls. I started examining the girls for the next ten minutes and eventually zeroed on a beauty who was about 27 years.

Over all good experience.This is a real find. When I was in Phil on an extended stay, I was able to walk from my accommodation in Makati to two places behind Greenbelt and the other mall. Unfortunately one after the other they closed or moved to another part of Manila.

Next time, try to get a business card and share it with those of us who prefer to have FS in good location, please! It sounds like the place that is near the airport with the airport theme but I doubt you would have got there and back for 300, even assuming that the place was kicking back to the driver.

[Da Monger]

Are there any avenues / bars for daytime action in makati?

planning my first trip to manila (first SE Asia trip and solo), will be there for 6 days, july 24-30, after RTFF looks like burgos st and makati area is what i will enjoy. If i have no luck on the first day in makati, i will head over to AC. I have been chatting on PL so hope to have few contacts before i touchdown. Have been looking at Airbnb for a place to stay not decided on one yet. Meeting 3 GFE ladies a day within a daily total 15k php budget excluding hotel would be ideal - not sure if its possible. I guess i will find out.

[Hutsori]

Are there any avenues / bars for daytime action in makati?

planning my first trip to manila (first SE Asia trip and solo), will be there for 6 days, july 24-30, after RTFF looks like burgos st and makati area is what i will enjoy. If i have no luck on the first day in makati, i will head over to AC. I have been chatting on PL so hope to have few contacts before i touchdown. Have been looking at Airbnb for a place to stay not decided on one yet. Meeting 3 GFE ladies a day within a daily total 15k php budget excluding hotel would be ideal - not sure if its possible. I guess i will find out.Some Burgos St bars are open in the afternoon, and you may be able to find a happy hour barfine for less than p2k plus money for the girl. A nighttime Burgos barfine + girl's money + your drinks will run between p7k-p9k. Your p15k budget will be insufficient if each of the three daily girls is barfined from a Burgos St bar. If you are able to arrange a meeting with the girl before/after her work shift you will avoid the barfine, but this is easier to do if you already know the girl from previous meetings, for example you barfine her on day 1 and she agrees to meet you again on day 3 - better to arrange a meeting before her shift as she could be barfined that night and blow you off at 3:30 am. Dating site girls you can gift p2k-4k. At night (after 10 pm) you can avoid the barfine by going to Havana Cafe; plan on paying the girl p3k-5k. Anyway, you can do the maths.

Keep in mind if you book a Airbnb place for one day (a lot of places have 2 or 3-day minimum stays) and decide to stay longer the condo may already be rented out to another tenant, so you're now hunting for a new place.

[Genghois]

Hi! 7-9 k is the going rate, for barfine plus girl's fee, these days? I assume that's minus ladydrinks. Still mighty steep! Any variation, from bar to bar?

I actually live in Makati, for much of the year, but haven't spent much time in the bars, as I've had a girlfriend.

[Member #4698]

Hi! 7-9 k is the going rate, for barfine plus girl's fee, these days? I assume that's minus ladydrinks. Still mighty steep! Any variation, from bar to bar?
Yes there is plenty of variation between Burgos bars in quality and price. Rogues Bar is something like 1600 p barfine plus 1700 p to 1900 p for a girl ST. It is a friendly, no hassle bar and definitely worth checking out although I would have to add that Rogues does not have the pizzazz that more expensive places like Kojax or Bottoms have. I am talking girl quality.

For example Kojax around midnight on Thursday, Friday or Saturday night is the hottest bar on the street with a lot of very sexy young girls. It is a must drop by kind of place. Total cost for a girl is 7000p. I like Bottoms bar even more because that is where my two favorite girls work and it is IMHO the wildest bar on Burgos although things can get pretty wild in Rogues as well. Trust me on that. The total cost in Bottoms is 7800p although my two Bottoms girls always offer to come straight to my hotel thus saving me the barfine ( 50% or 3900p). I have known them for over two years and have developed a great relationship with them. I have found that special customers have privileges with Burgos bar girls. My arrangement is not unusual.

Rogues is open in the afternoon with different lineup than at night. Last time I was there they had a couple of sexy girls working the night shift. My favorite bars are Bottoms, Kojax, Plan Be, and Rogues in that order.

One last thing. Things have changed: before January 1, 2016 Ten lady drinks was the barfine. So for example in Bottoms 10 tequilas for a girl cost 3900 or 390p per shot which was the barfine. You paid 3900p whether your girl drank the 10 tequilas or not. In Plan Be a shot for a lady's tequila was 290p so 10 lady tequilas = 2900p which was the barfine there. BUT since Jan 1 Burgos bars have become greedy and now are adding lady drinks on top of the barfine. So I strongly suggest that you negotiate the barfine/lady drink price with the mamasan before you start messing around with one of the bar girls so there will not be any unpleasant surprises later.

On my last night in town this April, I wanted to have a farewell party with my two girls in Bottoms. The girls warned me that it was now very, very expensive, but I told them I didn't care. I just wanted to have a great night - which we most certainly did have, but before the evening got underway, I took the mamasan aside and told her what I wanted to do and added that I did not want to pay a barfine and drinks separate so I would take my girls somewhere else to party if she wouldn't give me a pre January 1 deal. Mamasan asked if I wanted to buy 10 lady drinks for each of my two girls. I said I didn't know how many drinks we would consume, but not more than 10 per girl. Mama then offered to charge me 1000p additional for each girl or 4900p for 10 Tequilas and the barfine. Rather than quibble I accepted her offer. And it was one of the wildest nights I have had in many, many years. We each drank 10 tequilas each plus the mamasan bought me a couple rounds and I bought her a couple rounds. Ha Ha. Things got very rowdy and my two girl's DUFF showed up. I bought the DUFF a few rounds and all three girls were topless and blowing me. When it was time to go to my hotel the girls pleaded with me to barfine the DUFF. I initially said no, but the girls talked with the mamasan and I was offered the 3rd girl for 1000p barfine including her 3 tequilas so I had to say yes. I am glad i did becasue backm in the room the DUFF ignited the place on fire. I was taking some nude pictures of my girls when all of a sudden the DUFF yelled out "spread your legs" and then my girls went completely wild - dancing on the table top, caressing each other, and even engaging in some lite DATY with each other. WHAT A NIGHT!

[Hutsori]

Hi! 7-9 k is the going rate, for barfine plus girl's fee, these days? I assume that's minus ladydrinks. Still mighty steep! Any variation, from bar to bar?

I actually live in Makati, for much of the year, but haven't spent much time in the bars, as I've had a girlfriend.Yes, the Burgos bars aren't cheap when you tally barfine + girl's money + your drinks. Of course there's variation, which is why I wrote p7000-p9000. I think the cheapest is still Rouge at p1800, and others go as high as p3900. A lot of the bars deduct the cost of the lady drink from the barfine, for example the barfine is p3900, you buy 2 ladies drinks at p390 each, the barfine will be reduced p780. Presumably a bloke will visit a few bars during the night to scout the talent, so that's a drink for oneself at each place. If you want a girl's company beside you it's expected you buy a girl a drink. Some places are pushier about this than others. I suppose one can minimise drink costs by just standing there and staring for a while. Payment to the girl is up to your negotiation skills; plan on p4000 and you might get p3000 LT. Burgos can be great fun, and I've had several wild nights there, but I don't visit the place with the idea of a frugal night's out. I'm sure it can be done, but it kind of misses the point of the place.

For me it's a once in a great while place when out-of-town friends visit.

[Socker]

But some bars have early bird discounts, at least Bottoms did a couple of years ago if you bar fined before 7 pm. During that Makati visit one afternoon I decided to pay Rogues a visit not intending to bar fine, just a drink and a look see. The place is dark and I sat in the rear area in one off those big booths. I was instantly swarmed by about 5 ladies (2 on each side and one sitting on my shoulders) and they were a hands on bunch. One particular lady w / a nice body and doable face had her hands on Jr and was saying all the right things in my ear. I couldn't resist so took her back to the room. She was a great fuck and it was a good day. I think they have discounted prices during the day.

A couple of other things about Burgos.

There are stunners there and they don't have preferences, if anything they prefer westerners. I mean items you will not see in AC and on my first couple of visits I regret not taking one or two. The cost makes you balk a bit but the ones I'm thinking about I still think about, spectacular looking woman. I wish I would have taken her out but after the LD the chemistry wasn't there. Then the mamasan led her to a table behind me and started to explain to the guy sitting behind me why he should take her. I'm looking out of the corner of my eye and the mamasan is pulling down her top so the guy could view her tits. This woman was voluptuous and extremely sexy w / light features, I think her name was Saphire. Wow. But she had no personality so I thought I was doing the right thing. I still think about her.

The other thing about Burgos is the FLs can be quite pretty and the street fills up w / FLs during the evening and the hot ones probably do it for kicks and spending money for the next day. My last time there I sat at Pasha's Restaurant one night and when I left around 10 pm 2 FLs came up to me and offered me a massage. I said I wasn't interested in a massage but fucking would be okay. They said the both of them 3 k, I countered w / 2 k and we were on. They were both around 20 and both had nice bodies, one being a legit stunner. The session was excellent and they were all over me and I on them. So you don't have to spend a fortune for quality on Burgos St. The next night I hung out at Pashas again and they were nowhere to be seen. I assume they were each enjoying the 2 k + tip I paid them the night before.

I always include pics when possible, these are all Burgos ladies w / the 2 FLs, and the rest from my favorite bars. I was last there in April (f-ing hot) and will return soon. Burgos is definitely in my rotation for the foreseeable future. The quality is abundant in Manila.

[CallSign Papa]

Arriving at NAIA mid-afternoon, and this time with hand luggage only to maximise a volicitous exit from the Terminal, I was absolutely delighted to find Passport Control utterly empty (I was first through), and would estimate it took me no longer than 6 minutes from stepping off the plane to stepping into a taxi.

Good omens for the trip, I thought.

Having exited the skyway we came to an abrupt halt 200 metres before joining EDSA and it then took nearly an hour to travel along that accursed stretch to get to Makati (Rockwell). The taxi driver had no clue why "bad trappic" mid-afternoon on a week day.

Bad omens for the trip, I thought.

Had my first two girls waiting in the lobby of my condo building. I'd met one girl on a previous trip and she bragged about how crazy she gets with other girls after a little whisky, who was I to deprive her of a good time?! She'd sent me some photos of her friend, who looked like a standard spinner, she'd do. It was only after her friend started talking in the condo I noticed she was missing a f**king front tooth! Jeezus, that took a bit of getting used to, and call me old fashioned but was somewhat distracting. After a hearty whisky however I managed to relax somewhat and when the girls enthusiastically went at each other's pussies I decided that I should stop being a grumpy old git. I almost managed it.

3 k each for 3 hours, they were up for pretty much everything I suggested and left me with very little energy which I felt was pretty good VFM. I was totally bushed and nearly ready to cancel dinner with my 20 year old regular but the promise of a damn fine steak and some decent red wine tipped the scales. In the end the wine was good and the steak massively lacklustre at Smith Butcher & Grill near Legapzi Village. A few cocktails at Bugsys and we decided to check out BBZ a new (ish) Brazilian bar on Kalayaan. Seemed to have some kind of party going on with some decent talent on display, drinks were despatched with youthful vigour and back at the condo a good time was had by all.

Couple of points:

1) There's a very cool speakeasy type bar at the back of Bugsys, decent whisky menu, small bar but was packed with (mostly) groups of office girls. I shall try it out solo next time.

2) Rockwell seems to have turned into the construction capital of Manila, and it's all 24 hours, which, had I not been pretty hammered most nights, may have kept me up.

3) I've missed this place.

[Ms Account]

On the 2nd night it was open last week, dropped into the reopened old Stardust bar on Burgos. Now a nightclub called Halo. Probably have spent quite a bit of penny on remodelling. Not very busy. One table of girls and some couples. Waitresses are now attractive girls wearing mini skirts. One of the old waitresses from Stardust was still employed who recognised me and ended up chatting most of the time to her. The good thing was they had decent wine by the glass at only 200 pesos. Virtually impossible to buy decent wine in any Burgos bar (apart from Horizons). Hopefully they can be successful but it is serving a different customer base. I will give it another try next trip see if it is developing any following.

[Hutsori]

Having exited the skyway we came to an abrupt halt 200 metres before joining EDSA and it then took nearly an hour to travel along that accursed stretch to get to Makati (Rockwell). The taxi driver had no clue why "bad trappic" mid-afternoon on a week day.

An alternate Skyway exit is Buendia, then left at Makati Ave, and proceed to Rockwell via Kalayaan. The trick is knowing whether EDSA or Buendia is jammed. You might want to try one of the traffic apps like Waze or MMDA Traffic Navigator (but this is limited to major roads like EDSA). I use several to cross reference for accuracy. If the apps don't appeal to you MMDA's twitter is updated well.

[GoodEnough]

An alternate Skyway exit is Buendia, then left at Makati Ave, and proceed to Rockwell via Kalayaan. The trick is knowing whether EDSA or Buendia is jammed. You might want to try one of the traffic apps like Waze or MMDA Traffic Navigator (but this is limited to major roads like EDSA). I use several to cross reference for accuracy. If the apps don't appeal to you MMDA's twitter is updated well.Good suggestion Huts. I always use Waze and turn it on as soon as I get in he taxi. Today, from Terminal 2, Waze routed me on Roxas to EDSA without going near the skyway and I got to he hotel in 20 minutes or so. Two weeks ago, it was the Skyway to Amorsolo. I find that it's rarely wrong and it does save me time.

GE.

[CallSign Papa]

Thanks Huts, I have WAZE but clearly lacked the necessary brain power to work out that a traffic app could help with avoiding traffic. You'll notice this kind of theme recurs in my posts.

Also there's a lot of waffling in the paragraphs below, so feel free to skip to the post above if that's not your thing. Personally I love a good waffle.

So day two started with the kind of hungover, leisurely screw that sends you unceremoniously back to sleep for an hour. With missy on her way to work with a half-hearted promise to meet later in the week, I went for breakfast at Power Plant mall and worked out which morsel would be next on the menu. I had all of my nights fully planned out and left the remaining daytime free to play by ear between the odd work meeting.

I decided to meet May. An office worker in the Fort, we chatted mid-morning and a plan soon formulated for her to take the afternoon off and hang at my condo. May was mid-20's, cute, kinda petite with a great butt and had been teasing me on Facebook for weeks about some backdoor training. She had initially insisted it was something she'd never contemplate, which later changed to "saving it for my husband", which eventually became "only if you promise it won't hurt". After a few glasses of wine (I had 3, she barely finished 1, anyone know why they drink so slow? May decided she wanted to see some porn versions of what we were trying to undertake. It might sound weird but I've never watch porn with a girl, althought it's certainly something I'll be doing again. After a few abortive attempts we eventually found a movie that lit her fire. Having deflowered more than my fair share of delightful derrieres the porn angle definitely made things more relaxed and fun, lots of laughing and teasing. Half an hour later we were both laying sweaty and proud at our great accomplishment. As a reward I made sure she left very happy via some DATY and 2000 "taxi money" back to BGC (we had never discussed money, but she seemed genuinely delighted when I offered).

Having a few hours to kill before my dinner date I made the bloody stupid decision to pop to Greenbelt for some shopping. 40 minutes in a cab there, 20 minutes rushing around and 30 minutes back to Rockwell. Apparently Makati Ave is pretty busy at 5 pm (and I should have known better).

Lucky for me, dinner was closer to home. Rambla in Rockwell has (for me) the best spanish tapas in Makati. Not the cheapest place to eat, but the wine list is good and the tapas is consistently excellent. My date for the evening was the find of the trip. A 22 year old chef working at Resort World. One of my facebook "friends" had liked one of Pat's photos and I immediately sent her a friend request and a message asking friendly questions about her job. I wasn't expecting a reply, but got one and after a month of whatsapping she finally agreed to dinner. She made it totally clear from the outset that there was no way in hell she was looking for a hookup (and she was that hot that I really didn't mind). I was expecting the typical "oh you're not as hot as your photos" moment when she stepped out of the taxi (40 minutes late of course), but I was very pleasantly mistaken.

After a fun, relaxed dinner we headed upstairs to my condo for some more wine and carried on the conversation on the couch. I didn't try too hard to push the idea of us getting naked but was playful and thought I'd gotten as far as I was going to get with kissing and canoodling (and was delighted to have gotten that far). At about 1 am I put her in a cab with her honour intact. Returning to the apartment I checked whatsapp to see a few messages from her, one kind of intimating that she had a great time but was disappointed that I wasn't into her much. The basic upshot was that I'd "let her leave" and hadn't insisted she stay the night (isn't that considered a crime? Anyway, apparently my good guy act had convinced her I wasn't a player and a brief phone call later she turned the taxi around. Brief is a key word here because when I finally got her undressed, round one was exactly that! Very rarely is a girl so hot that I'm ready to go again 5 minutes later (hey, I'm nearly half way to 90, sue me), but I was and we did.

Admittedly, 5 girls in 2 days during 4 meetings is considered a laughable pace if you're Donald Sucks, but I kind of enjoyed the relaxed loose way things were coming together (no spreadsheet this trip) and so far "missing tooth" girl notwithstanding, no duds.

[WestCoast1]

But some bars have early bird discounts, at least Bottoms did a couple of years ago if you bar fined before 7 pm. During that Makati visit one afternoon I decided to pay Rogues a visit not intending to bar fine, just a drink and a look see. The place is dark and I sat in the rear area in one off those big booths. I was instantly swarmed by about 5 ladies (2 on each side and one sitting on my shoulders) and they were a hands on bunch. Similar experience, several nights running. First night, I took my SW / LT with me in there. We walked straight back to the far (rear) end of the bar, near the CR, and got a booth. We were the only customers save one gringo. The gringo was near the bar, standing, and he was buying drinks for several girls at a time. Two of the girls were also standing / dancing nawty with him (on the table where they were drinking, in addition to their drinks, were about a dozen uncleared empty drinks, the gent had run up quite a tab). 15 minutes into our drink, the gringo paid his tab and left empty-handed. 9 girls dancing on stage, one girl being carefully rotated off / on every 2-3 minutes by an older, taller, attractive, dead-serious mamasan. Once the gringo walked out, the mama pulled over half the girls off the stage. We paid up and left, having never been approached by a bargirl (just the waitress). The next night I went in Rogues again, alone, it was the weekend and about 11 pm. I sat at the first table inside the door by the bar. I was swarmed by 7 bargirls, the taller mamasan, and a massage lady went to work on my shoulders. I was the only customer. I asked the mama where all the gents were: "Bad now. Few customer. Last night you saw it also". She asked if I wanted to buy the girls drinks; I declined, but I bought one for the older massage lady -- Hot! Damn! Great! Hands! I thought that would get rid of the bargirls, but no. The mama increased the stage dancers from 2 to 8, and I still had 7 girls (plus the massage lady) all over me. A girl to my left was putting her hand down my pants massaging Johnson. The girl to my right was rubbing my right chest / nipple thru my shirt. Not sure which girl (s) was doing it, but both left and right knee / thigh were being massaged under the table -- and mamasan was just to the right of the girl rubbing my right nipple. I was being mauled, enjoying it, and carrying conversation with mama and several girls. I re-iterated to mama that I was uninterested in buying LD for anyone other than the massage lady, and even suggested to mama that some privacy for me and the massage lady might be better, thinking the girls would disappear, but noooooo. The dick-massager on my left (not that attractive, although the other girls were) would lean in close from time to time and whisper nawty stuff in my hear, or just touch her tongue to my ear. Nobody appeared to care. I was sitting on a stool, not in a booth. After 30 minutes I paid the tab (p160 for my mixed drink, p390 I think for the LD, total almost 600). I handed the waitress 1000. The mama and girls sat with me the entire time. The girls asked for "lucky tip", and I balked, telling mama that I'd requested some privacy. She shoo-ed some girls away and suggested that I give something small to the girl on my left and right, so when the change came I gave them 100 each, and they smiled and seemed fine with that. BTW, the dancers on stage at Rogues are usually pretty good (less shuffle, more dancing).

The next night I went into the first bar on the left, walking Burgos from Kalayaan towards Makati Ave -- Rascals? And had a similar experience. It was midnight and I'd just come from a drink at Ringside bar. Walking in, there was one customer in a booth on the left, having an LD with a girl. I got a table / stool to myself, the only customer besides that gent was me. 4 girls dancing (the shuffle) on stage. Right away swarmed by 5 girls and a mama and a massage lady. Pretty much a repeat of Rogues. I bought a LD for the massage lady (the girls erupted in laughter and applause) and asked the mama for privacy from the girls. She shooed them all away and I was enjoying my massage, alone, watching the dancers. My privacy lasted 90 seconds when a bargirl came back and sat to my right, started chatting, and rubbing my thigh. Within 2 minutes the other girls, including mama, were all back chatting me. Didn't I *just* ask for privacy? I said into mamasans ear that I had asked a privacy, and I would not be tipping girls when I left. Did that get rid of the girls? No! When I paid the tab a bit later (about 600 again for my drink + 1 LD), I gave the girl to my right 100 as tip for all the thigh and outter-pants dick rubbing. The 30 minutes I was inside the bar, the only other customer was the guy at the booth with his bargirl. I didn't see the waitress bring her any more LD's, but that girl was all over him, straddling him, DFK, humping, her hand was between her thigh and at his crotch, you could tell she was stroking a hard shaft.

While those bars were empty on weekends, I also walked into Plan be one night about 11 pm, and the place was jumpin, there were lots of customers and few chairs to sit at.


A couple of other things about Burgos.



The other thing about Burgos is the FLs can be quite pretty and the street fills up w / FLs during the evening and the hot ones probably do it for kicks and spending money for the next day. My last time there I sat at Pasha's Restaurant one night and when I left around 10 pm 2 FLs came up to me and offered me a massage. I said I wasn't interested in a massage but fucking would be okay. They said the both of them 3 k, I countered w / 2 k and we were on. They were both around 20 and both had nice bodies, one being a legit stunner. The session was excellent and they were all over me and I on them. So you don't have to spend a fortune for quality on Burgos St. The next night I hung out at Pashas again and they were nowhere to be seen. I assume they were each enjoying the 2 k + tip I paid them the night before.Nice pics!

Similar experience with the FL's on the street. This pic is one of them, and price is similar, from recently. I got this booby critter just after I had departed Rogues (above story). She offered the usuals, massage + service and agreed to pics. When I asked how much she said 1500. I asked if she was ok to 1000 and she said "We go". I never bothered with the camera, we just had a nice session in the bed. I rinsed in the shower, about 2 minutes, and when I came out into the bedroom, she was lightly snoring. I snapped this pic the next morning around 8 am. I had another girl scheduled at 10 am, so I needed to get this one gone. After she showered I handed her the 1000, expecting her to ask for more considering she stayed LT. But she only asked for transport fare so I dropped some on her. She left her phone number for me to call her again. We did get back together another day for a full-cam experience.

Another price for one that got away. There's a hottie who stands on the corner of Burgos / Durban, across from Oxford. Can't remember her street name. It is very eclectic -- like 'Mahatma' or such. 19, tiny, booby, cute face. Met her first about 2 months ago. She quoted 3000 for ST, no pics, wouldn't budge. No dice. A month later I see her again in the same place, standing with another girl I've had several times. She remembered my name: "Westy we go your hotel. Now". Sorry toots, price *might* be worth it just for the pics. "No pics. 1500 right now". Nice, a price reduction. However, it was late afternoon, and my 10 am girl (above) had just departed an hour before (inexhaustible, 3-holer, hornier than a 2-peckered billy-goat), absolutely draining me. I was just not looking for sex (just some naked pics would have been nice). She wouldn't budge on the pics. Her friend told her everything would be fine with the pics. I even increased to 2000 as incentive. However she wouldn't budge. Ces't la vie.

[X Man]

What the heck are you doing? You're driving down the prices for the rest of us!


Similar experience, several nights running. SNIP I asked if she was ok to 1000 and she said "We go". SNIP

[WestCoast1]

What the heck are you doing? You're driving down the prices for the rest of us!I continue to be amazed at the high prices gents pay for the poon in phils. Girls tell me the wildest stuff about payment. I ran into one of my SW regulars on Burgos recently and took her for the night. I asked when her last customer was: "Yesterday. Guy from Portugal. Short time". How much he give you? "xxxx. Nice old guy but berry fast". The amount was too high. What do you mean 'fast'? "Well its 5 minutes we are done. He give to me and I go home". The sex lasted 5 minutes? "Yes. In his room 15 minutes all, and then going home". For half that amount she spent the entire night with me and enjoyed the hotel breakfast -- 2 nights running.

Another SW recently told me of an aussie who picked her up and took her ST to the City Garden. He liked her and gave her more for overnight (seems reasonable). He liked her so much that he wanted to keep her every night of his 12-day trip. His daily payment to her was almost 2 x what the guy from Portugal gave the other girl (although she said he did not give it daily, but often every few days, and the amount was his idea). In addition he showered her with gifts from Ayala on regular shopping sprees, and that included bicycles for her sons (ages 6 and 8). All of that was 4 months ago. When he departed, he sent her money weekly for 2 months, then he disappeared from her world -- *poof! She is as plain-looking and as simple a woman as you can imagine, and older (mid-30's) than may girls on the street. Its not my place to judge what another man sees in a woman, but WTF did he see in her? She is willing to take about 1/4 per night what he was paying, and she would have been thrilled to get 12 nights work at that rate.

[Mr Hawaii]

I continue to be amazed at the high prices gents pay for the poon in phils. Girls tell me the wildest stuff about payment. I ran into one of my SW regulars on Burgos recently and took her for the night. I asked when her last customer was: "Yesterday. Guy from Portugal. Short time". How much he give you? "xxxx. .. All of that was 4 months ago. When he departed, he sent her money weekly for 2 months, then he disappeared from her world -- *poof! She is as plain-looking and as simple a woman as you can imagine, and older (mid-30's) than may girls on the street. Its not my place to judge what another man sees in a woman, but WTF did he see in her? She is willing to take about 1/4 per night what he was paying, and she would have been thrilled to get 12 nights work at that rate.Nothing wrong with that. Maybe he thought he would marry her, or keep her as his "GF" and support her from Portugal, then retire and live with her in the P. I. Now that I am over 60, I still love the young beautiful ones that I would never get here in the states, but for marriage or live-in GF, I would probably want one in her 30's, and not too good looking, as long as the body was "perfect".

[Hutsori]

I continue to be amazed at the high prices gents pay for the poon in phils.At least these guys are getting their dicks wet. There are some who send money from overseas and never visit the country. To them I say thank you.

[WestCoast1]

Nothing wrong with that. Maybe he thought he would marry her, or keep her as his "GF" and support her from Portugal, then retire and live with her in the P. I.Yes, I can see the reason. I prefer to pay less as I'm taking multiple girls / day, and at least one of the girls I'm going to take around for an evening of live band, drinks, and foods. I'd rather keep the money in my pocket. If I was taking a girl every 2 or 3 days, it would mean less to me to pay whatever the girl asks for.

[CallSign Papa]

I did not want to let Pat go, especially so early, but she had work and we therefore had to make haste in the sack before she left. When it comes to offering money (when none has been discussed) you tread a very fine line, especially if you plan on seeing them again. Sometimes when a few thousand pesos is produced, their face lights up and they skip gaily to the lobby. Sometimes you've just utterly offended them and see the last you'll ever see of them. As always viewer discretion is advised. In this case, I decided to tentatively offer to pay her cab, and she was immediately having none of it so I knew where I stood.

Friday lunch time I decided to head to Draft in Greenbelt (as unfortunately the one in Power Plant mall is no more, or at least during the mall extension work). I had originally planned to meet a regular from a previous trip, but as she was suddenly unavailable I erred on the side of caution and met Christine instead, a P4 P girl I'd briefly bumped into on a previous visit at Prive in the Fort. On that occasion I hadn't been able to partake, but she had the kind of figure had that sticks in a guy's mind and I was glad when she not only replied at short notice, but also arrived on time, heavens to betsy!

After some fine German pils and a generous portion of sausage we retired to my place and I offered her my own variation on the theme. She was initially insistent on 5 k (not in this life honey) but we agreed that we would discuss it over lunch, and because we had a fun time, she agreed to 2500 for 3 hours (no backdoor). That was fine for me, given she's mid-twenties and had those eyes that just screamed "i am a wild ride". Because I had evening plans she left after two hours but damn, that girl had hands that could make a jellyfish hard.

The plan was to meet a fellow ISG guy at Howzat, but sadly, after an hour of waiting, he messaged to say he couldn't make it. I therefore decided to follow the original plan but solo; Kojax, Plan B, Bottoms.

Seeing as Kojax was my favorite I went there first. No sign of the pretty young blonde things from last trip, and the place wasn't too busy at 11 pm, plenty of booths. The girls on stage were in an especially lethargic mood, I've seen less shuffling at a poker game. But I was happy to be back on Burgos and there were a few girls with killer figures. I spied one on the tall / slim side wearing secretary glasses who promptly took a seat next to me. In the interests of trying to get some gossip I volunteered a drink and went about interviewing her about her eligibility as an evening consort and what potential onsite naughtiness could be had. Sadly the answer to both was fairly negative. Whilst she was good fun to chat to, sex wasn't her thing clearly, and given that Kojax is lit on the brighter side with no back / upstairs rooms, it makes it one of the classier but less frisky establishments, as far as I could tell. I still enjoy it though, on average the girls are hotter than the other bars I've been too. Or maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part.

Plan B was busier but way louder and I didn't stay for a drink. Having got a whatsapp from the girl from the previous evening (Pat) who was at Revel in the Fort, I decided to head there instead. 1000 pesos to get in, two drinks vouchers, but the place was jumping and Pat not only looked totally jawdropping, her friends were all pretty damn fine too.

Side note, for those interested in clubbing in the Fort, if you go in via the Revel entrance at the back of Valkyrie, you basically have access to all three clubs (Revel / Valk / Palace Pool Club), whereas if you enter via Valk you're stuck in there, which is not the worst place in the world to be on a Friday night.

The night gets very vague at this point, there were tequilas and cocktails galore, but checking my cash the next morning I think I only spent about 2 k inside, reasonable. I don't really remember getting back to the condo, but I remember waking up to a stonking hangover and a beautiful naked Pat snoring away next to me. I retreated to get some super strong Ibuprofen and we both woke up close to midday. There followed a very uncoordinated but delightfully steamy session that ended with her enjoying a protein filled breakfast (something she repeatedly said she didn't do), and a very light lunch at Hole in the Wall in century city mall.

[Simmer]

Not sure if putting my question in the Makati forum provides its own answer but here goes.

Later this year I may be on a business trip and based in the Fort Bonifacio area. I've been to Makati before but "accompanied" so no fun. I've also been unaccompanied and free to roam but based in MOA / Pasay area. I also don't have much budget and I know reading on this forum Makati can be quite expensive (7000-9000 PHP?! I'd rather spend an hour in a taxi to Flight 168 and get three for that price! Is Makati going to be the closest mongering area to Fort be? I would guess that Havana bar or just FLs would be my best bet, though I'm too shy to approach, I'd rather be approached. Have I missed any other options that might keep to around 3000 PHP in that general location? I'm not a late nighter or noisy nightclub kind of person either; bars are fine if not overly loud. Probably will be in an AirBnB condo which *might* limit options on bring-home dates. TIA.

[Member #4698]

Seeing as Kojax was my favorite I went there first. No sign of the pretty young blonde things from last trip, and the place wasn't too busy at 11 pm, plenty of booths. The girls on stage were in an especially lethargic mood, I've seen less shuffling at a poker game. But I was happy to be back on Burgos and there were a few girls with killer figures. I spied one on the tall / slim side wearing secretary glasses who promptly took a seat next to me. In the interests of trying to get some gossip I volunteered a drink and went about interviewing her about her eligibility as an evening consort and what potential onsite naughtiness could be had. Sadly the answer to both was fairly negative. Whilst she was good fun to chat to, sex wasn't her thing clearly, and given that Kojax is lit on the brighter side with no back / upstairs rooms, it makes it one of the classier but less frisky establishments, as far as I could tell. I still enjoy it though, on average the girls are hotter than the other bars I've been too. Or maybe it's just confirmation bias on my part.

Plan B was busier but way louder and I didn't stay for a drink. Having got a whatsapp from the girl from the previous evening (Pat) who was at Revel in the Fort, I decided to head there instead. 1000 pesos to get in, two drinks vouchers, but the place was jumping and Pat not only looked totally jawdropping, her friends were all pretty damn fine too.

Side note, for those interested in clubbing in the Fort, if you go in via the Revel entrance at the back of Valkyrie, you basically have access to all three clubs (Revel / Valk / Palace Pool Club), whereas if you enter via Valk you're stuck in there, which is not the worst place in the world to be on a Friday night.

The night gets very vague at this point, there were tequilas and cocktails galore, but checking my cash the next morning I think I only spent about 2 k inside, reasonable. I don't really remember getting back to the condo, but I remember waking up to a stonking hangover and a beautiful naked Pat snoring away next to me. I retreated to get some super strong Ibuprofen and we both woke up close to midday. There followed a very uncoordinated but delightfully steamy session that ended with her enjoying a protein filled breakfast (something she repeatedly said she didn't do), and a very light lunch at Hole in the Wall in century city mall.Great reportage CallSign. I am glad you are having a good time. Was there any doubt? Ha Ha. But yeah, I have seen Kojax girls as you describe "in an especially lethargic mood" too, but on other nights I have seen an amazing sight when every girl on stage, there must have been 25 girls minimum, all energized and dancing in a delightful choreographed way and seemingly all having a good time on stage. It was on a Friday night, the time was around 11:30, and the place was packed at that time with maybe only one or two booths free.

P.S. Thanks for the info on Revel / Valk / Palace Pool Club. I have to check out the Fort on my next visit!

[Random99]

Not sure if putting my question in the Makati forum provides its own answer but here goes.

Later this year I may be on a business trip and based in the Fort Bonifacio area. I've been to Makati before but "accompanied" so no fun. I've also been unaccompanied and free to roam but based in MOA / Pasay area. I also don't have much budget and I know reading on this forum Makati can be quite expensive (7000-9000 PHP?! I'd rather spend an hour in a taxi to Flight 168 and get three for that price! Is Makati going to be the closest mongering area to Fort be? I would guess that Havana bar or just FLs would be my best bet, though I'm too shy to approach, I'd rather be approached. Have I missed any other options that might keep to around 3000 PHP in that general location? I'm not a late nighter or noisy nightclub kind of person either; bars are fine if not overly loud. Probably will be in an AirBnB condo which *might* limit options on bring-home dates. TIA.There are a bunch of massage girls on Wechat that constantly message, but I've never responded and have no idea on the price. Some might be just a straight massage. (Also, there are a lot of LBs on wechat.) I'd be wary. There aren't any "singles" bars and most people are going out in groups, so not many options in BGC.

Depending on traffic to Makati, BGC / Fort Bonifacio can be only 10-15 min taxi, but if it was me. I'd get an Uber account for ease / no hassle. If you have an SO and need to hide you account, make a new account and Uber might take prepaid credit cards? I am not sure. Also, there is a option for cash on my app here, but I've never used it. Some taxis in BGC won't go to Makati.

Seems like you have a lot of restrictions: low budget, want to be approached, no late nights, no clubs. You could try to invest some time into the dating sites. You could stroll up to Market Market (the mall) and try to pick up a regular girl there.

Also, if you are staying in Airbnb. It's not a hotel. Most likely there will be no room safe and while there is security, they aren't looking out for your interests ie giving you a call to your room after a girl leaves. Not sure why you can't have guests over as the security isn't looking out for the owner's rules either.

[GoodEnough]

Great reportage CallSign. I am glad you are having a good time. Was there any doubt? Ha Ha. But yeah, I have seen Kojax girls as you describe "in an especially lethargic mood" too, but on other nights I have seen an amazing sight when every girl on stage, there must have been 25 girls minimum, all energized and dancing in a delightful choreographed way and seemingly all having a good time on stage. It was on a Friday night, the time was around 11:30, and the place was packed at that time with maybe only one or two booths free.

P.S. Thanks for the info on Revel / Valk / Palace Pool Club. I have to check out the Fort on my next visit!If Kojax gets too packed, or if you cannot find what (whom) you are looking for there, consider checking out Hot Spot which is just below Kojax. It's much smaller, but from time to time it too has excellent talent, and it's never crowded.

GE.

[WestCoast1]

But some bars have early bird discounts, at least Bottoms did a couple of years ago if you bar fined before 7 pm. During that Makati visit one afternoon I decided to pay Rogues a visit not intending to bar fine, just a drink and a look see.Socker clear your PM inbox.

WC.

[Simmer]

There are a bunch of massage girls on Wechat that constantly message, but I've never responded and have no idea on the price. Some might be just a straight massage. (Also, there are a lot of LBs on wechat.) I'd be wary. There aren't any "singles" bars and most people are going out in groups, so not many options in BGC.Hmm, ok. That gives me somewhere to look (BGC) in general (shopping, dining etc) - not heard of it before.


Seems like you have a lot of restrictions: low budget, want to be approached, no late nights, no clubs. You could try to invest some time into the dating sites. You could stroll up to Market Market (the mall) and try to pick up a regular girl there.Yeah, I'm not the easiest of customers!


Also, if you are staying in Airbnb. It's not a hotel. Most likely there will be no room safe and while there is security, they aren't looking out for your interests ie giving you a call to your room after a girl leaves. Not sure why you can't have guests over as the security isn't looking out for the owner's rules either.Last year I stayed in an AirBnB in Pasay. Took a couple of girls back there and while it wasn't a problem, security clearly weren't over the moon with the idea. Other visitors were no problem at all. I guess they were looking out for me but it was a bit more scrutiny than the regular walk of shame in a hotel. Then there is the possible security risk of the guests taking something from the condo. Just rather avoid it if I can.

Thanks, much appreciated.

[CallSign Papa]

I was trying hard to think how best to summarise my latest visit, without it sounding like every other trip wrap up I've done. So here's the advice I would have given to myself before I first ever arrived in Manila based on what I know now.

1) Makati isn't nearly so dangerous as "Manila". It's safe (relatively), especially Makati / BGC. I've never once experienced a hint of trouble or crime in my 10 trips thus far. Anyone who's spent time in big cities knows the obvious; don't take your wallet out with you, nothing in your back pockets, don't have too much cash on your person at once, walk like you always know where you're going, don't be ostentatious with phones / cameras / watches.

2) Over preparation leads to unnecessary anxiety. The majority of your careful and lovingly prepared schedule is going to go to shit in the first few days, don't worry about who arrives late or not at all. To use a musical analogy, a trip to manila is more like jazz than classical music. Improvisation is the key to happiness, being flexible about who you can meet, where, and what for is largely best decided either the day before of the day of.

3) Quality over quantity. That's my personal preference, but I'd rather bang one or two girls a day, take my time, enjoy it to its fullest than rush through pussy after pussy. And absolutely to each his own on that one. I once spent three straight days with the same girl, if that ain't downright perverted in a city of perverts I don't know what is.

4) I forget who said it but you're only worth what someone is willing to pay you, and that's never been more true for pussy. If you want to, you can get laid incredibly cheaply and consistently, but shouldn't the girl get what she's worth. I think so. And I'm not overly concerned if I sometimes overpay (by local standards). But NEVER go over 5 k unless she's a 9 our of 10.

5) Plan for the hangovers, both in terms of food and girls, because there are going to be a lot. Manila is so much fun how can you avoid rolling in at 3 am even if you have a 9 am meeting? And believe it or not, some girls don't want to come hang with a tired, monosyllabic dude that keeps burping whisky. Amazingly though, some do!

Back next month, some much more to explore and learn, many more mistakes to make. Can't wait.

[Amavida]

Not sure if putting my question in the Makati forum provides its own answer but here goes.

Later this year I may be on a business trip and based in the Fort Bonifacio area. I've been to Makati before but "accompanied" so no fun. I've also been unaccompanied and free to roam but based in MOA / Pasay area. I also don't have much budget and I know reading on this forum Makati can be quite expensive (7000-9000 PHP?! I'd rather spend an hour in a taxi to Flight 168 and get three for that price! Is Makati going to be the closest mongering area to Fort be? I would guess that Havana bar or just FLs would be my best bet, though I'm too shy to approach, I'd rather be approached. Have I missed any other options that might keep to around 3000 PHP in that general location? I'm not a late nighter or noisy nightclub kind of person either; bars are fine if not overly loud. Probably will be in an AirBnB condo which *might* limit options on bring-home dates. TIA.If you're staying at the Fort then you need to confine yourself to opportunities within striking distance. Traffic is stupendously bad, you will find yourself spending literally hours in taxi's if you're not very careful. Burgos St bars are near to to your digs at the Fort. Girls there are not cheap in comparison to say Angeles (but you can get lucky). 3000 PHP won't buy you much these day's Hit the up market mall around the fort or the classy nightlife / resto's in Makati. Free lancers & straight girls are available. Get over your shyness. Look them in the eye & smile. They will let you know if they are available / interested. Being too forward in unfamiliar territory can get you entangled with boyfriends. You will get experience & learn. I don't know how "shared" this AirBnB thing is you're planning on using? If its an empty condo (relatively private) certainly get on the dating sites before you arrive & tee up some visitors. Look up Manila night clubs on the web & note some close to you. LOT's of free lancers in nice nighclubs. There are bars on Roxas over in Pasay opposite the Heritage Hotel (the infamous 'Firehouse' complex). Traffic will be a bit of a ***** to get there but there are cheap / clean hotels next door to have some privacy. The BG's there are not cheap & if you are caucasion you will be herded into a separate bar area away from the big spending East Asian (they get the top shelf stuff). Ermit / Malate area is too far away for practical purposes unless you are in the area on business already. Its a grotty shit hole compared to the Fort & Makati which are a little like Singapore in comparison. On a tight budget? Living in a not private digs? I'd say Dating site & free lancers would be your target market.

http://www.asiatraveltips.com/BarsinManila.shtml

http://manilaclubbing.com/


AV.

[Redcurry]

100% agree, you can have a lady in the US for less than what guys are paying very average looking girls at Greenbelt. When a girl gives me a crazy qoute, I'm out. Learn from your more cutthroat Thai sisters. Be reasonable. LOL.


I continue to be amazed at the high prices gents pay for the poon in phils. Girls tell me the wildest stuff about payment. I ran into one of my SW regulars on Burgos recently and took her for the night. I asked when her last customer was: "Yesterday. Guy from Portugal. Short time". How much he give you? "xxxx. Nice old guy but berry fast". The amount was too high. What do you mean 'fast'? "Well its 5 minutes we are done. He give to me and I go home". The sex lasted 5 minutes? "Yes. In his room 15 minutes all, and then going home". For half that amount she spent the entire night with me and enjoyed the hotel breakfast -- 2 nights running.

Another SW recently told me of an aussie who picked her up and took her ST to the City Garden. He liked her and gave her more for overnight (seems reasonable). He liked her so much that he wanted to keep her every night of his 12-day trip. His daily payment to her was almost 2 x what the guy from Portugal gave the other girl (although she said he did not give it daily, but often every few days, and the amount was his idea). In addition he showered her with gifts from Ayala on regular shopping sprees, and that included bicycles for her sons (ages 6 and 8). All of that was 4 months ago. When he departed, he sent her money weekly for 2 months, then he disappeared from her world -- *poof! She is as plain-looking and as simple a woman as you can imagine, and older (mid-30's) than may girls on the street. Its not my place to judge what another man sees in a woman, but WTF did he see in her? She is willing to take about 1/4 per night what he was paying, and she would have been thrilled to get 12 nights work at that rate.

[WestCoast1]

100% agree, you can have a lady in the US for less than what guys are paying very average looking girls at Greenbelt. When a girl gives me a crazy qoute, I'm out. Learn from your more cutthroat Thai sisters. Be reasonable. LOL.The FL have no intention of being cutthroat, when they've discovered the gringo's inability (or lack of desire) to 'dicker' or counteroffer. This is a problem created by lazy foreigners. I will PM you.

[SaltyPete]

There are bars on Roxas over in Pasay opposite the Heritage Hotel (the infamous 'Firehouse' complex). Traffic will be a bit of a ***** to get there but there are cheap / clean hotels next door to have some privacy. The BG's there are not cheap & if you are caucasion you will be herded into a separate bar area away from the big spending East Asian (they get the top shelf stuff).AV.I was at the Firehouse Complex (AKA EDSA Entertainment Complex) last week, and am a regular during my Manila visits. I was not herded to a separate area (I am as Caucasian as the come. All the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy). In Spacegirls, there might have been one cutie saved for Japanese (she was the only hottie in the bar), or maybe it just wasn't her time to dance. I wasn't there long enough to tell. In the other bars, I'd say I had total access to the girls. Maybe they don't make as big a fuss when I walk in, but I prefer it that way. I like to sit back and enjoy the hunt before I buy a girl a drink; if you are Japanese you will be crowded with girls as soon as you step in to the bar. They prefer Japanese to Koreans.

For the un-initiated, the EDSA complex has 6 (gogo bars under one roof. They girls are more to my tastes here than on Burgos Street. IMHO, the best to worse list currently goes something like 1. Arrows and Bullets, 2. Pit Stop, 3. Firehouse, 4. Tied between Casino and Spacegirls, and 5. Cotton Club. The Cotton Club was so bad that the National Geographic show on TV was more interesting than the talent. How can a girl be too fat and too skinny at the same time? It was one of those bars where every girl is trying to make eye contact, while I focus on my beer. But you can enjoy the top 3 bars for a couple of evenings; I think it will get boring after that. Pay the barfine of php1950 and the girl asks for 2500-3000 for ST, 4000-5000 long time (negotiable). There are a lot of parasitic costs in addition to girl drinks, such as the food menu girl who waves her card in your face (php 450 for chicken tenders and fries), massage ladies and mamasan drinks / tips, restroom guy tip for handing you a towel, taxi door openener tip. All at your discretion, of course. As always, if you don't want to get ripped off with a taxi, avoid the ones sitting out front and flag down one on the road.

As stated, Heritage Hotel is conveniently across the street; a 7 minute walk which might be scary for a newbie, or php100 for a sitting cab. Copacabana is even closer, but I have never stayed there.

Traffic can be terrible between EDSA and Makati until after 10 pm, particularly on Mondays and Fridays.

[Simmer]

If you're staying at the Fort then you need to confine yourself to opportunities within striking distance. Traffic is stupendously bad, you will find yourself spending literally hours in taxi's if you're not very careful. Burgos St bars are near to to your digs at the Fort. Girls there are not cheap in comparison to say Angeles (but you can get lucky). 3000 PHP won't buy you much these day's Hit the up market mall around the fort or the classy nightlife / resto's in Makati. Free lancers & straight girls are available. Get over your shyness. Look them in the eye & smile. They will let you know if they are available / interested. Being too forward in unfamiliar territory can get you entangled with boyfriends. You will get experience & learn. I don't know how "shared" this AirBnB thing is you're planning on using? If its an empty condo (relatively private) certainly get on the dating sites before you arrive & tee up some visitors. Look up Manila night clubs on the web & note some close to you. LOT's of free lancers in nice nighclubs. There are bars on Roxas over in Pasay opposite the Heritage Hotel (the infamous 'Firehouse' complex). Traffic will be a bit of a ***** to get there but there are cheap / clean hotels next door to have some privacy. The BG's there are not cheap & if you are caucasion you will be herded into a separate bar area away from the big spending East Asian (they get the top shelf stuff). Ermit / Malate area is too far away for practical purposes unless you are in the area on business already. Its a grotty shit hole compared to the Fort & Makati which are a little like Singapore in comparison. On a tight budget? Living in a not private digs? I'd say Dating site & free lancers would be your target market.

http://www.asiatraveltips.com/BarsinManila.shtml

http://manilaclubbing.com/


AV.I've finalized my accommodation plans now. Staying near SM Aura Mall / Market! Market! Mall (is this the Market to which you refer? It was a compromise between travel to an office in Taguig near the coast I have to travel to every day, and being near restaurants / bars / shopping at night.

I've been to EDSA EC and am painfully aware of how much of a bastard traffic can be along that way! (Even the MRT / LRT is crowded and sometimes have to wait for the next train because it's too full). Previously I have scouted a couple of malls (including one recommended here in Manila I think) in a half hearted way, not wishing to offend anybody that wasn't up for it. Will try at Aura / Market though.

I think you're suggestion of nightclubs is going to be my best bet. The apartment is private and I should get over the security / walk of shame thing. Man up! Will do a FR, of course.

Many thanks.

[MrWoolyBooly]

Will try at Aura / Market though.
Greetings, I've been to Market Market and SM Aura many, many times but always accompanied or a few times as simply a meeting spot before going to Wooly's lair. Maybe I'm blind or not culturally subtle enough, but I never noticed any obvious FLs. The most promising area I would try if I were looking is the outside open market area at Market2 x between the taxi dropoff and taxi pickup line. There are all kinds of people just hanging around there, including lone ladies. I'd be very interested if any local veterans can add useful info about the Market2 x / Aura block or the upscale restaurant row neighborhood across the street (S-something, forgot the name). Mr Simmer, kindly report any observations you make there.

[Amavida]

Greetings, I've been to Market Market and SM Aura many, many times but always accompanied or a few times as simply a meeting spot before going to Wooly's lair. Maybe I'm blind or not culturally subtle enough, but I never noticed any obvious FLs. The most promising area I would try if I were looking is the outside open market area at Market2 x between the taxi dropoff and taxi pickup line. There are all kinds of people just hanging around there, including lone ladies. I'd be very interested if any local veterans can add useful info about the Market2 x / Aura block or the upscale restaurant row neighborhood across the street (S-something, forgot the name). Mr Simmer, kindly report any observations you make there.FL'ers operate in night clubs, bars & up market social venues. Mall trawling turns up employed girls & students looking for fun &/ or profit. MM is popular with employed & students. Private universities (such as JRU) are not far & dormitory areas such as Guadalupe Nuevo also close. Having said that Mall Trawling is always hit & miss. Best place to stand is often at the entrance just outside. Girls standing around will say Hi if they are on the make. Inside it can be very difficult to pick the available talent. N.B. Girls in uniforms are not gaol bait, 'university' girls wear uniforms also. Something to do with the strange American style education system that only Americans can fathom (no offense, yanks).

AV.

[Stykler]

Something to do with the strange American style education system that only Americans can fathom (no offense, yanks).Given the current state of their politics, I don't think American's could be offended by anything anymore!

[Amavida]

Given the current state of their politics, I don't think American's could be offended by anything anymore! .US politics is currently very entertaining I'll say that Stykler! .

[Amavida]

I was at the Firehouse Complex (AKA EDSA Entertainment Complex) last week, and am a regular during my Manila visits. I was not herded to a separate area (I am as Caucasian as the come. All the girlies say I'm pretty fly for a white guy). In Spacegirls, there might have been one cutie saved for Japanese (she was the only hottie in the bar), or maybe it just wasn't her time to dance. I wasn't there long enough to tell. In the other bars, I'd say I had total access to the girls. Maybe they don't make as big a fuss when I walk in, but I prefer it that way. I like to sit back and enjoy the hunt before I buy a girl a drink; if you are Japanese you will be crowded with girls as soon as you step in to the bar. They prefer Japanese to Koreans.

(snip)

a lot of parasitic costs in addition to girl drinks, such as the food menu girl who waves her card in your face (php 450 for chicken tenders and fries), massage ladies and mamasan drinks / tips, restroom guy tip for handing you a towel, taxi door openener tip. All at your discretion, of course. As always, if you don't want to get ripped off with a taxi, avoid the ones sitting out front and flag down one on the road.
I'm not a regular like you but others have noted the segregation also. It's something for newbies to be aware of. Perhaps it's the time of day? Perhaps they have less high rolling East Asian visitors there now? Your point about the parasitic costs is often overlooked. Thanks for bringing it up.

Cheers.

AV.

[Amavida]

I think you're suggestion of nightclubs is going to be my best bet. The apartment is private and I should get over the security / walk of shame thing. Man up! Will do a FR, of course.

Many thanks.Night clubs: arrive early. FL'ers will be obvious perched on stools etc. After 10 pm the places are full & you won't be able to tell who is who. Have fun! .

[SaltyPete]

I'm not a regular like you but others have noted the segregation also. It's something for newbies to be aware of. Perhaps it's the time of day? Perhaps they have less high rolling East Asian visitors there now? Your point about the parasitic costs is often overlooked. Thanks for bringing it up.

Cheers.

AV.Hi Amavida,

You may be referring to the reports of a private lounge for "special" guests, where the prettiest girls go when called. I did see stairs leading up, and I think that was for the lounge, but it did not appear to be in use during my visits. But I did not observe special areas in the bars for important clients. Maybe I had my blinders on. There were so few customers that anyone walking into a bar was greeted with enthusiasm. I was often the only customer in the early evenings (8-10 pm); the girls must get bored to death dancing on the stage for no one.

I am very picky and I always found something that suited me by 10 pm; I have been to the bars on Burgos Street 3-4 times and have always returned empty handed. I am a butterfly, but there is a cute girl in Pitstop that can really pitch a fuck, that I have been returning for.

The ancillary costs are really just a nuisance, like mosquitos on a perfect summer evening buzzing around my ears. I understand they need employment, and I'd rather pay them to open a taxi door for me then get mugged by them. The real costs go up with "drink creep" of which first timers should be aware. One night you buy the girl a drink, then Mamasan wants one, then the girl tries to get you to buy her "sister" a drink, and a menu snack, and you pay for a back massage. The next night they all expect you to buy them drinks again, plus another Mamasan shows up, and another friend. They are more like leeches than mosquitos. If you are not careful, or are a generous drunk like me, you will be buying the whole bar a drink before you know it And it does not matter if it is the next night that you show up, or half a year later, they all remember. They all remember.

[Simmer]

Night clubs: arrive early. FL'ers will be obvious perched on stools etc. After 10 pm the places are full & you won't be able to tell who is who. Have fun! .Suits me, I've never been one for much past 11 pm! However, clearly BGC, Makati etc are upmarket areas so aren't the FLs going to be looking for decent compensation too? There is precious little for BGC on this website so I've not found any price ranges for FLs there. Makati yes, BGC no.

[CallSign Papa]

There is precious little for BGC on this website so I've not found any price ranges for FLs there. Makati yes, BGC no.Depends what clubs you're talking about in BGC. I've been quoted from 5 k to 12 k in Prive, but have taken a girl for 3 k ST who ended up staying until the next evening.

Revel was quoted 6 k LT but sure I could have negotiated down had I been interested. Never seen or been approached by an FL in Valkyrie, just girls looking to get laid for the old fashioned fun of it.

[Amavida]

Hi Amavida,

You may be referring to the reports of a private lounge for "special" guests, where the prettiest girls go when called. I did see stairs leading up, and I think that was for the lounge, but it did not appear to be in use during my visits. But I did not observe special areas in the bars for important clients. Maybe I had my blinders on. There were so few customers that anyone walking into a bar was greeted with enthusiasm. I was often the only customer in the early evenings (8-10 pm); the girls must get bored to death dancing on the stage for no one.

I am very picky and I always found something that suited me by 10 pm; I have been to the bars on Burgos Street 3-4 times and have always returned empty handed. I am a butterfly, but there is a cute girl in Pitstop that can really pitch a fuck, that I have been returning for.

The ancillary costs are really just a nuisance, like mosquitos on a perfect summer evening buzzing around my ears. I understand they need employment, and I'd rather pay them to open a taxi door for me then get mugged by them. The real costs go up with "drink creep" of which first timers should be aware. One night you buy the girl a drink, then Mamasan wants one, then the girl tries to get you to buy her "sister" a drink, and a menu snack, and you pay for a back massage. The next night they all expect you to buy them drinks again, plus another Mamasan shows up, and another friend. They are more like leeches than mosquitos. If you are not careful, or are a generous drunk like me, you will be buying the whole bar a drink before you know it And it does not matter if it is the next night that you show up, or half a year later, they all remember. They all remember.G'day SP, I defer to your more recent & regular experience there. My visits were at the busy times of Fri / Sat nights. Middle of week when it's dead you have it to yourself for sure but the top shelf stuff is not on display. I'm not bothered by this. It's how they roll here. Everybody has there fav bar experience. Friday's on Burgos always was wild for me. Many happy three somes & even getting blown by everybody in the bar in the middle of the bar I recall The 'parasitic costs' came courtesy our Japanese punters who like the Geisha experience. I agree it's a pain. Have fun mate.

AV.

[Amavida]

Suits me, I've never been one for much past 11 pm! However, clearly BGC, Makati etc are upmarket areas so aren't the FLs going to be looking for decent compensation too? There is precious little for BGC on this website so I've not found any price ranges for FLs there. Makati yes, BGC no.Manila is expensive. Prices are all over the place. Often they quote eye popping prices. You can politely decline & wait for them to lower the offer or you bargain hard with counter offers. I'm in the former camp. Night club costs: taxi, get in, drinks, if you're staying a while hire a table & order food, tip the doormen & bouncers. Believe me you will get the VIP treatment especially next visit & your capital will go up considerably with the girls. If it's a hit and run mission then get there early, hit the huukers up & be gone with your carnal friend. FL'ers range from great to disappointing, no way to tell before. I still say get on the dating sites and do some pre contact hunting as a back up.

AV.

[Drukyul2000]

Manila is expensive. Prices are all over the place. Often they quote eye popping prices. You can politely decline & wait for them to lower the offer or you bargain hard with counter offers. I'm in the former camp. Night club costs: taxi, get in, drinks, if you're staying a while hire a table & order food, tip the doormen & bouncers. Believe me you will get the VIP treatment especially next visit & your capital will go up considerably with the girls. If it's a hit and run mission then get there early, hit the huukers up & be gone with your carnal friend. FL'ers range from great to disappointing, no way to tell before. I still say get on the dating sites and do some pre contact hunting as a back up.

AV.Please share names of dating sites, I will be arriving in Pasay in Sept. Any places / malls that you recommend for pick up in Pasay?

[Wicked Roger]

Please share names of dating sites, I will be arriving in Pasay in Sept. Any places / malls that you recommend for pick up in Pasay?You are what is referred to in the UAE board as a 'manager' and you come from the part of the world where many of them come from as well (3 FRs in India where the banner headlines on the threads are now infamous).

RTFF as all you need on the Philippine board is there. There is even an advanced search function that you could use to get more specifics. About 10 seconds later you have your answers but I don't think you will as you are a manager not a monger LOL.

[Member #4558]

Please share names of dating sites, I will be arriving in Pasay in Sept. Any places / malls that you recommend for pick up in Pasay?For dating sites if you know about google try search for: "datingsites Philippines".

[Amanut]

For dating sites if you know about google try search for: "datingsites Philippines".Or just go to "user blogs" at the bottom of the main page. There is a lot of good information there about various dating sites.

I exclusively use dating sites when I come to the Philippines and for the most part only sleep alone when I chose to do so. I have been to watch the shows on Burgeos with dating site ladies, but have yet to partake in P4 P in the Philippines.

[PrinceMak]

Please share names of dating sites, I will be arriving in Pasay in Sept. Any places / malls that you recommend for pick up in Pasay?Date in Asia is the most popular dating site and is free but I don't think you can sign up for it if you live in India. You can get a subscription to filipinocupid which is good as well. Good luck.

[WestCoast1]

It's a shame ISG doesn't have the same restriction. The Photo Gallery on here is largely fucked and of limited use due to the countless and pointless offerings from our friends from the sub-continent.The Indian PG?

[Red Kilt]

The Indian PG?I presume he means the "Photo Gallery" banner that is across the top of the forum banner.

There are 5 links: Front Page, Forum, What's New?, Photo Gallery. Abbreviations.

If you click on Photo Gallery you can see all the photos posted across all threads.

There are extraordinary numbers of Southern Asian belles posted which might irk a few people.

[Stykler]

WestCoast1 and Red Kilt. It would seem that I have seriously pissed some people off with my post, to the point where I have been contacted by an Admin. There may be some rupees supporting the forum that are a little tender and too keen to read messages into text that aren't there.

I suggest it wouldn't be in the interests of the forum if I commented further.

[Biggusdickus]

First time in over 15 visits to the Philippines that I spend a night in manila, Makati to be specific. I had read the forum and I was prepared for the steep prices for barfine and tip. (well, tip is probably not the right word for those amounts.). What I didn't expect: in bottoms, a gin tonic with local gin during happy hour sells for 250 peso. And the change for my 1000 peso bill was 500+100+100+50. None of the usual 20 peso bills with the beautiful banaue rice terraces. The waitress didn't forget to remind me not to forget her so obviously she expected at least the 50 peso bill from the "suklit". And as if this was not enough yet, when I passed the bar on the way out the bartender put a big sign hand made from cartoon onto the bar saying "tip for the bartender, please"! So if I had tipped both times with the smallest available bill then the gin tonic (local gin, happy hour as I stated above!) would have cost me 250+50+100=400 peso. In angeles the same drink goes for 60-70 peso in happy hour.

OK, it's my last night and a drink is just a drink. And I'm definitely OK with giving tips to the waitresses because I know how badly they need them sometimes. But there have to be limits! And what I really don't like is the waitress giving no small change and then expecting a tip. Feels somehow like cheating the stupid foreigner to me.

[Dg8787]

First time in over 15 visits to the Philippines that I spend a night in manila, Makati to be specific. I had read the forum and I was prepared for the steep prices for barfine and tip. (well, tip is probably not the right word for those amounts.). What I didn't expect: in bottoms, a gin tonic with local gin during happy hour sells for 250 peso. And the change for my 1000 peso bill was 500+100+100+50. None of the usual 20 peso bills with the beautiful banaue rice terraces. The waitress didn't forget to remind me not to forget her so obviously she expected at least the 50 peso bill from the "suklit". And as if this was not enough yet, when I passed the bar on the way out the bartender put a big sign hand made from cartoon onto the bar saying "tip for the bartender, please"! So if I had tipped both times with the smallest available bill then the gin tonic (local gin, happy hour as I stated above!) would have cost me 250+50+100=400 peso. In angeles the same drink goes for 60-70 peso in happy hour.

OK, it's my last night and a drink is just a drink. And I'm definitely OK with giving tips to the waitresses because I know how badly they need them sometimes. But there have to be limits! And what I really don't like is the waitress giving no small change and then expecting a tip. Feels somehow like cheating the stupid foreigner to me.I am sure 99.99% of places don't know how to give change to get a tip. If they did they would have broken down your change a little better than that to include some 20's. I am not sure of your place as I was not there.

I have never been to a place in Phils that had the fore thought to give change broken down in a manner to get a tip. You are giving them too much credit for that.

[Ms Account]

First time in over 15 visits to the Philippines that I spend a night in manila, Makati to be specific. I had read the forum and I was prepared for the steep prices for barfine and tip. (well, tip is probably not the right word for those amounts.). What I didn't expect: in bottoms, a gin tonic with local gin during happy hour sells for 250 peso..There is the leech bars like Papillion charging 340 pesos for foreign beers (Heineken). Most bars are 250. Had not visited Dimples for a long time and visited there last year. Completely empty. Ordered Heineken. Chit comes with 340 or 350 pesos I express shock and didn't sign chit. Well next they call over the security guard from outside and says sir I am here to make sure you sign. I just paid never drank the beer and left. I noticed last week Dimples is closed. Hopefully it is closed for good. Could not happen to a more deserving bar. Anyone know whether Dimples is just renovating or gone for good?
There is a definite shrinkage in Burgos. Ivory and Stardust closed for raids (Stardust reopened but now as disco). Blush for building renovation. Hot Spot is closed (they tell me for renovations). Dimples is closed(hopefully)

[Biggusdickus]

I am sure 99.99% of places don't know how to give change to get a tip. If they did they would have broken down your change a little better than that to include some 20's. I am not sure of your place as I was not there.

I have never been to a place in Phils that had the fore thought to give change broken down in a manner to get a tip. You are giving them too much credit for that.Thanks for your answer, Dg8787, which quite surprised me quite a bit. My experience is that in 99.99% of all cases the waitresses do break down the change to include some 20's or. A few years ago. Even some coins. I'm a newbie to Makati but at least that's how things were in all other places I visited in the Philippines, both mongering places and others. My guess is that when the waitress in said bar (bottoms, padre Burgos, Makati) handed me back a 50 peso bill she didn't just forget or neglect to break down the change but she considered it already broken down to sufficiently small bills. I'm sure she would have looked unhappy if I had pocketed the 50 and offered her 20 or 25 out of my wallet, equally unhappy as she looked after I didn't give no tip at all. Well, I might even have given her the 50 if at least the price for the local (gin during happy (hour had been somewhere close to humane.

Anyway, after painfully going through the always same questions (what's your name? Where are you from, sir? Where did (you stay? How long did (you stay?) I had a nice evening at high heels bar with a very pleasant and quite voluptuous lady. And seeing the line up at Kojax turned out to be something that should not be missed if in the area, comparable to the former Lisbon racetrack in Macau with the added benefit that the ladies are available to westerners! If I remember correctly, the beer there was 160.

[Hutsori]

Ordered Heineken. Chit comes with 340 or 350 pesos I express shock and didn't sign chit. Well next they call over the security guard from outside and says sir I am here to make sure you sign. I just paid never drank the beer and left. A good way to avoid these misunderstandings and conflicts (as well as enjoy the beer you paid for) is to ask for a drink menu or ask the bartender / waitress this question: "If I order a Heineken, may I decide how much to pay you?" I know, right? Who would've guessed it could be that easy? Another question that may work is this: "How much is the Heineken?" Since the development of the interrogative form of speech, i.e. questions, a few years ago people find it leads to a more effective exchange of information.

I know breaking the habit of just declaring wants is hard to break, and "gimme" is one of my favourite words too, but times change. Make questions a part of your life.

[Firebird]

Just fount that Dimples is closed and number of other bars are at risk of being closed. Low business activity I am told.

[CallSign Papa]

Usually like to have at least 5 days in my favorite Asian capital, but alas, just two days, no time to arrange condo and so for the first time in a long time, it's the Peninsula.

As regular readers will note, one of my favorite pastimes is "testing the water" with married / engaged girls (mostly on Facebook). I find it an interesting social experiment to turn a girl from "I love my guy and would never cheat !" to "what's your condo number?". A lot of times, especially if they're married, I never take it further. But sometimes....

Last week one girl appeared on my timeline (friend of a friend) celebrating her new engagement to a German chap and after reviewing her photos including some fairly spectacular bikini shots, I sent her a Friend Request. She accepted it almost immediately and we started some harmless chatting that began with her background (devoted catholic), where she's travelled (Malaysia / Thailand) and how hard it is to find a good guy in Manila (very). She then told me about her new fiance who she's been seeing on and off for about a year.

Then I decided to get flirty to see how quickly she'd bat me off. Given that she'd already changed her FB surname to his, I figured this would be a quick and painless death. I figured wrong. It took less than an hour for our chats to turn distinctly x-rated and when I suggested we continue this discussion face to face on my next visit she agreed.

She arrived at the Cigar Bar dressed to kill and as we seemed to have the same chemistry in person that we did on FB we were back up to my room quicker than even I expected. She left this morning and I'm feeling ambivalent about the whole thing. Firstly, that guy is one lucky dude because she is a god-damn animal in bed and just would not sleep until she got everything she wanted, and the way she wanted it (example, she got seriously pissy when I wouldn't kiss her with my jizz dripping out of her mouth, I know, I'm a prude), but I can't be the first guy she's banged behind his back, but she must be doing a good job of hiding her indiscretions.

If I wasn't already, I'm now firmly of the opinion that there's no such thing as a faithful pinay. I know, it's a terrible shock.

[Stykler]

For my sins I find myself heading to the Philippines for work right in the middle of Christmas and New Year this year. The majority of my time will be spent in Makati on the company peso.

Given that the country is staunchly hypocritical catholic, can anyone give me an indication of what the action will be like during this period? I am assuming a fair proportion of the ladies head back to the villages at that time?

Thoughts? Thanks.

[WestCoast1]

For my sins I find myself heading to the Philippines for work right in the middle of Christmas and New Year this year. The majority of my time will be spent in Makati on the company peso.

Given that the country is staunchly hypocritical catholic, can anyone give me an indication of what the action will be like during this period? I am assuming a fair proportion of the ladies head back to the villages at that time?Which ladies? Manila has 15-20 million people, there are no shortages of ladies. Please be specific, what kind of girls are you looking for? Bargirls? Dating site girls? Street walkers? "Regular" girls?

[Stykler]

Which ladies? Manila has 15-20 million people, there are no shortages of ladies. Please be specific, what kind of girls are you looking for? Bargirls? Dating site girls? Street walkers? "Regular" girls?Everything but regular girls.

Thanks.

[WestCoast1]

Everything but regular girls.

Thanks.Yes, a lot of bar girls will be absent the scene. They are not necessarily gone to the province, they might be Manila ladies, but they are spending holiday time with family. However there are enough girls in the bars to find what you want. There will be some Burgos street girls available also (limited selection). You should be able to find escort girls too. I find the Christmas / NY time to be magical, as the traffic is much lighter, even during rush hour times there is little traffic in Manila (or anywhere else). More and more businesses start closing each day for several days before Christmas. Don't count on finding anything open on Christmas eve (after 3 pm) or Christmas day, so stock up on foods for that timeframe in your hotel.

Other's thoughts?

[Stykler]

Other's thoughts?Exactly the information I was chasing. Thanks heaps.

[LordBastian]

I know this is the Makati forum but: Is there any action in Iloilo? I'll be there in a few days for a few weeks and would hate to experience a "dry" spell (pun intended). Thanks.

[WestCoast1]

I know this is the Makati forum but: Is there any action in Iloilo? I'll be there in a few days for a few weeks and would hate to experience a "dry" spell (pun intended). Thanks.We have an Other Areas forum: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas that you can post to (and read up on). Off the top of my head, that is the province, well away from the major "action" areas (Manila, Cebu, AC). I have never been, but I've also not seen anyone posting about much action there. You failed to mention several things: 1) are you experienced in phils provinces (a previous post says you've been to AC many times); and 2) why are you spending a few weeks in Iloilo (that part is important for the gents who have been there to know). Also, while you have been to phils many times, you are woefully under-FR-ing your experiences, then asking the bro's for help on upcoming trips. From the AC thread in 2014:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=1614514&viewfull=1#post1614514


Why has everything gone silent? No news is bad news. I'll make some news in a few weeks when I'm there again for the 13th time in 2 years. I will have reports for us all. Maybe nothing as amusing as the sorry Ladd who had a girl pour rubbing alcohol on his member.

The Lord Bastian.Where is that 'news' and the FR's you were going to post? While your posts in the Japan forums are insightful, your posts on the phils forums are not, and they are few. I think WR would call this "Manager Class" behavior, the rest of us would call this 'taking without giving'. Big boy, 13 visits to AC, give us a Field Report or a pic or a resto review (or anything) about the place.

[Amanut]

I know this is the Makati forum but: Is there any action in Iloilo? I'll be there in a few days for a few weeks and would hate to experience a "dry" spell (pun intended). Thanks. I was there about four years ago so nothing current. I met a regular woman from Cagayan de Oro who I had spent time with on my previous trips.

When she left the guards at my hotel suggested places to go for dancers ect. The first was a KTV and a waste of time. Two more were further from my hotel but beside each other. The one I was in provided a great show as a Korean had about half a dozen ladies in tow and they were catering to him. One squatted on a long neck beer, jumped up and down then sprayed the contents onto her sponsor. It was very erotic. Full nudity from the dancers at that time with the momesan actively making the rounds encouraging customers to BF a dancer.

Eat at Romboys by the central church. Best smoked pork belly I have tasted. So good that I came home, bought a smoker and tried to replicate. Mine was not even close.

It is a short boat ride to Bacolod to see "The Ruins" and and their incredible museum.

You should re ask in the "other areas" thread but I would go back to Ilo Ilo in a heartbeat.

[Socker]

Arrived at 1:30 am and hit Burgos St. I went to Plan be and then Kojax where the pickings were slim to none. I hate the prices and so I just window shopped and there wasn't much to appreciate in either club. Granted it was late and the hot items were long gone. The street was full of little kids. Seems to be getting worse in this regard, little 3 year old begging and running in the street. As soon as they can walk they're out there working the street. What a life.

It should be better tonight for BGs as I am fresh minded and will start early. I will probably focus on FLs because the bar prices are ridiculous and I just won't do it their way.

It seems pretty slow but again I was out at 2 am.

Cheers.

[Simmer]

Last night I was planning to go to FL168, an old haunt (well, 2 x anyway). Safe but sure. Looked at traffic and a big airport in the way and decided against it. Re-read a whole bunch of Makati reports to see if I was missing something. Decided I would give Rogues a try based on some reports here.

The Uber ride took a long time from BGC, where I'm staying. Traffic. Always traffic. Actually it was probably only 20 minutes but felt like longer. I got there around 9 pm on a Tuesday. P Burgos St (rhymes with Bur(ger) and goss(ip), soft G, according to Uber driver) wasn't what I expected at all really. Previous visits to Makati have involved high end businesses and hotels so I wrongly assumed P Burgos St was kind of glitzy or something. Maybe because of the barfine and girl costs. It's not glitzy! A fairly narrow street, maybe room for cars parked on either side with room for the one way traffic to pass in the middle. Bouncers outside the bars looking bored. Children begging. Masseurs offering 500 peso massages standing in groups.

Went into Rogues which involved a dingy staircase to the upper floor. Kind of long room with a bar in the middle as you enter, some bar stools on the left with fixed tables (counters? U-shaped booths on the right seating maybe 6, a stage in the middle big enough for maybe 8 girls max, and a single pool table at the far end. Encouraged to sit at the bar but declined; got water for 75 php. Wandered around and sat near the stage where 5 girls were gyrating in a mechanical kind of way while having a good chinwag amongst themselves. Nothing wrong with that: they were dressed in what I suppose could be described as very short crop tops and short shorts. But mostly me (and other men) were ignored. Was hoping for a bit of attention but apart from "another drink sir" there was none. Maybe I'm ugly! I'd say about half and half Westerners and Asians (Koreans maybe); and slightly more ladies than men, but most of those were waitresses it seemed. Couldn't even work out who the mamasan was as a few fitted the category. But maybe they all were.

Gave up and walked the street. Offered Cialis, Viagra, massages, got accosted by ladyboys, and was begged for change. Got a bit demoralised to be honest. The massage girls dressed in scrubs looked too clinical, wasn't really sure if they go all the way. Asked a couple dressed in more normal clothes and they all started at 5k FS, most of those ST. Sod that. Got one pair down to 3k LT (each: I would only have taken one) but just wasn't feeling it.

Walked to the end of the street and decided to just wait as I saw girls walking into the street at a fair rate. To be fair, I was probably a little too early, by now around 9:30 pm. Amused by a pair that accosted me (massage), declined, but one proceeded to come back with a very loud "I want to fuck you!" laughing followed by an equally loud "she's a ladyboy!" from her friend which resulted in much hilarious playfighting between the two, watched by myself and a bunch of others (all girls). Put a big smile on my face but sowed the seed of doubt. Even though she did not look or sound at all like a ladyboy.

Waited and just watched for maybe 10-15 minutes, quizzing the occasional passerby who exchanged glances. Suddenly one *really* caught my eye. But the events of after that will have to wait for another FR as it's an ongoing story as I write this. Sorry! Good and potentially not good. Damn, I'm really doing the rollercoaster this trip!

[CallSign Papa]

I got there around 9 pm on a Tuesday. As you correctly noted, you got there early (especially for a weekday). Unless you're a regular any Burgos bar before 11 pm is probably only recommended if you were looking to secure a girl before the crowds arrived.

[Simmer]

As you correctly noted, you got there early (especially for a weekday). Unless you're a regular any Burgos bar before 11 pm is probably only recommended if you were looking to secure a girl before the crowds arrived.Noted for future reference, cheers. It's a bugger having to be up at 6 am for work. I need a good 7 hours a night of sleep!

I happened to go past the street again tonight in a car. Took a couple of pictures but they didn't come out well, what with rain on the window. Anyway, somebody earlier asked about BGC (The Fort) and mongering. Well this is all I'll say: don't bother, and don't try travelling to next door Makati as I have now done 4 journeys between the two, each taking 20 minutes to over an hour. Handy for my work though, so for me not a complete washout.

[VicVeg]

I spent a fortune to get a high end girl off of manilacourtesans.com. I was not impressed. I had gotten lower priced girls off that site before, and they were really bad. They showed up sweaty, smelled of smoke, untrimmed etc. Now with a high end girl, she was definately higher quality, but for 12 k peso? I wanted primo quality. In the usa, for 300 usd, you get a high end russian call girl for an hour. In makati, for 250 usd you get a decent quality girl for 2 hours. Where are the primo quality girls? This is philipines, we are supposed to get sex much cheaper!

I recommend going to AC. Check out my post in that forum. You get to chose out of hundreds, and get a good quality girl for 3 k peso ( 70 usd) for 3 hours or so. Much better value.

I learned my lesson!

[Amavida]

I spent a fortune to get a high end girl off of manilacourtesans.com. I was not impressed. I had gotten lower priced girls off that site before, and they were really bad. They showed up sweaty, smelled of smoke, untrimmed etc. Now with a high end girl, she was definately higher quality, but for 12 k peso? I wanted primo quality. In the usa, for 300 usd, you get a high end russian call girl for an hour. In makati, for 250 usd you get a decent quality girl for 2 hours. Where are the primo quality girls? This is philipines, we are supposed to get sex much cheaper!

I recommend going to AC. Check out my post in that forum. You get to chose out of hundreds, and get a good quality girl for 3 k peso ( 70 usd) for 3 hours or so. Much better value.

I learned my lesson!If you had asked any experienced PI punter you would have been warned off this but lesson learned eh?

If you're a FIFO punter (two week millionaire) then you'll have to take pot luck like the rest of your buddies.

I hate to break it to you but the really top shelf is already spoken for with wealthy Pinoy's & well heeled ex pats (of all nationalities). Further down market, putting in a little effort (and money) can net you some really sweet sexy college girls. Some of these girls are smoking hot. And then there is the dross in P4 P & the streets.

[VicVeg]

If you had asked any experienced PI punter you would have been warned off this but lesson learned eh?

If you're a FIFO punter (two week millionaire) then you'll have to take pot luck like the rest of your buddies.

I hate to break it to you but the really top shelf is already spoken for with wealthy Pinoy's & well heeled ex pats (of all nationalities). Further down market, putting in a little effort (and money) can net you some really sweet sexy college girls. Some of these girls are smoking hot. And then there is the dross in P4 P & the streets.I have been to the PI dozens of times, but really wanted to splurge with a high end girl. And I learned my lesson. Next time, I am to go to AC to do my P4 P. If you chat up a girl right, and promise a nice tip etc, then I think you can get alot of girls to BF in AC. Some are cherry girls, or don't BF without alot of work, but there are plenty of hot chix in AC to BF the first night if you arent cheap, are nice to them etc.

I will just look for girls off the dating sites in Manila. Else HJ's from massage girls. Sex in manila is too expensive! For a decent girl off of the P4 P sites, or off the nuru massage site, you are to pay 7 k peso. For that much, you can BF 2 girls in AC.

Also, I want to say that Burgos is really getting sleazy. I saw a naked toddler boy running down the sidewalk. And an ex-pat nearly fighting with a salesman on the sidewalk at 7 am at Cafe Cubana. And the transexuals are everywhere after 10 pm or so. Why have so many TS's come to Burgos? If they are there, they are making $. Are the middle eastern men sleeping with them? I have heard in the Arab culture, women are for having babies, but men are for sex. Thus the TS's are for sex with the Arabs?

[Amavida]

I have been to the PI dozens of times, but really wanted to splurge with a high end girl. And I learned my lesson. Next time, I am to go to AC to do my P4 P. If you chat up a girl right, and promise a nice tip etc, then I think you can get alot of girls to BF in AC. Some are cherry girls, or don't BF without alot of work, but there are plenty of hot chix in AC to BF the first night if you arent cheap, are nice to them etc.

I will just look for girls off the dating sites in Manila. Else HJ's from massage girls. Sex in manila is too expensive! For a decent girl off of the P4 P sites, or off the nuru massage site, you are to pay 7 k peso. For that much, you can BF 2 girls in AC.

Also, I want to say that Burgos is really getting sleazy. I saw a naked toddler boy running down the sidewalk. And an ex-pat nearly fighting with a salesman on the sidewalk at 7 am at Cafe Cubana. And the transexuals are everywhere after 10 pm or so. Why have so many TS's come to Burgos? If they are there, they are making $. Are the middle eastern men sleeping with them? I have heard in the Arab culture, women are for having babies, but men are for sex. Thus the TS's are for sex with the Arabs?You're not going to be able to 'buy' the company of a top shelf girl for a paltry few tens of thousands of pesos. Those girls angle for much bigger fish LOL!

For a fresh experience try staying in a top shelf hotel in Makati / Cebu. Take your pick of the nicest dating site girls & hit the best night clubs (not girly bars) in town. Yes you can get near 'model' quality show girls in AC but will require patience & many $$s with all the fun of a high quality sex doll (if you're lucky) in the end.

Have fun punting!

[Engine Driver]

In all my trips to the PI, I had never been to Burgos Street. My entertainment in Manila had been confined to LA Cafe, EDSA Complex and Robinson Mall. Hutsori and Call Sign Papa are big fans of Makati and I've enjoyed reading their accounts, so I ventured out to Burgos to check out the scene on a weeknight.

The strip was smaller than I expected. I went into Bottoms, Plan be and Hollywood. All were much the same in the composition of the talent. There were a couple of stunners at each, most were pretty and entirely do-able and a few were downright fat. I'm courting controversy here, but the line ups were no better or worse than at AC. Bar fines were around 3,900 plus a girls fee of 3,000 for LT at each of these. LDs were 390 PHP, so even the interview process with 3-4 prospects can get pricey. I didn't like the way mamasan and her entourage at each bar were putting pressure on me to buy them drinks. I just ignored them while I proceeded with the interviews. The obvious difference was that the Burgos girls were more urbane, spoke better English and just seemed more professional.

At Hollywood, I chose a beautiful spinner named "Wendy" real name Michelle. She seemed a bit shy at the start, but answered all the right questions. DATY, two pops and happy to leave in the morning. What did it for me was the fact she was the skinniest girl in the club. After seeing all the fat lumps of lard in my home country (where the majority of women are fat), this tall skinny babe just did it for me.

She exceeded my expectations right from the start. I always like it when a girl prefers to walk to the hotel rather than get a cab. It's an attitudinal thing. I was about to hail a cab when she pulled me up. In the bedroom she was just brilliant. PSE and more. She was loving, caring and affectionate and did her best to provide an unforgettable GFE. I have only rarely seen this sort of customer service at AC. I only sampled one Burgos girl, but I was impressed with the professionalism, lack of drama and honesty. I've pounded truckloads of Filipina pussy, but Wendy was right up there on the top.

I'm always out of synch with bar girls' sleep cycles. I want to be tucked into bed by 12.00 and get 7 hours sleep whereas the talent only gets to sleep at 5. 00 am. What to do? Burgos Wendy was no different. So after two pops, this aging foreigner wants to sleep and Wendy wants to do social media and watch Tagalog soap until 5. 00 am in the room. As difficult as it was, I had to let her go at 1. 00 am. She asked me a couple of times "are you sure you want me to leave? Valuing sleep over watching her attend to FB, I paid her the 3,000 fee and kissed her goodnight.

In summary, Burgos Street is not a cheap experience and you need to go there with wads of cash. If you're prepared to pay $200-$300 for a good night out, then an awesome time is assured.

[Gern]

Waited and just watched for maybe 10-15 minutes, quizzing the occasional passerby who exchanged glances. Suddenly one *really* caught my eye. But the events of after that will have to wait for another FR as it's an ongoing story as I write this. Sorry! Good and potentially not good. Damn, I'm really doing the rollercoaster this trip!Waiting for the next FR update. Hope everything is okay!

[Hutsori]

Hutsori and Call Sign Papa are big fans of Makati and I've enjoyed reading their accounts,

I am??? Well, I do like the shwarma and the sheesha at Argos, so there's that. I appreciate you enjoy reading my accounts, but I focus almost all my time and effort on the dating sites. For nights out and about it's the most often Remedios Circle area unless I'm entertaining out-of-town friends.

Anyway, I'm happy to read you had an awesome experience. And yes, Burgos can be expensive.

[WestCoast1]

I'm always out of synch with bar girls' sleep cycles. I want to be tucked into bed by 12.00 and get 7 hours sleep whereas the talent only gets to sleep at 5. 00 am. What to do? Burgos Wendy was no different. So after two pops, this aging foreigner wants to sleep and Wendy wants to do social media and watch Tagalog soap until 5. 00 am in the room. As difficult as it was, I had to let her go at 1. 00 am. She asked me a couple of times "are you sure you want me to leave? Valuing sleep over watching her attend to FB, I paid her the 3,000 fee and kissed her goodnight.

In summary, Burgos Street is not a cheap experience and you need to go there with wads of cash. If you're prepared to pay $200-$300 for a good night out, then an awesome time is assured.Great report!

[CallSign Papa]

Hutsori and Call Sign Papa are big fans of Makati I am?? Well actually I am But that's largely unrelated to Burgos. I love heading there occasionally for a beers but honestly there are way too many college girls on Skout all eager to deliver their supple young bodies at an hours notice for 2-3 k.

Glad you're having fun, excellent report, keep them coming.

[WestCoast1]

I have been to the PI dozens of times, but really wanted to splurge with a high end girl. And I learned my lesson. This can be very difficult. You (or I) don't mind paying 10-15 K for a top-end girl (which, BTW, is the same amount I would pay here for a young beauty for PSE). But for that price in a poor country, you want to be sure of: beauty, high level of performance, timeframe (2 hours? 3 hours? Overnight). With escort services in Manila, any / all of those variables can be hit / miss.


Sex in manila is too expensive! For a decent girl off of the P4 P sites, or off the nuru massage site, you are to pay 7 k peso. For that much, you can BF 2 girls in AC. What do you mean by 'decent' girl? Hot? Performance? You can find hotties in EDSA / Burgos bars for less than that for the night. Same in LAC. Consider an alternative: find any girl in LAC that strikes your fancy and take her. Cultivate her to be your pimpette for your needs. Tell her your specific needs. You would be amazed at how quickly a girl in the biz can bring you what you want, outside the barfine system.


And the transexuals are everywhere after 10 pm or so. By 'transexuals', do you mean bakla (they are not the same)?


Why have so many TS's come to Burgos? They've been there for some time now (years), staking out the area from Oxford Suites (on burgos, by the convenience store near Kalayaan), to around the corner on Kalayaan towards Makati Ave.


If they are there, they are making $. Yes. Not only there to make money, but they like sexing.


Are the middle eastern men sleeping with them? Yes. And French guys. Norwegians. Americans. Aussies. Koreans. And so on.

[VicVeg]

This can be very difficult. You (or I) don't mind paying 10-15 K for a top-end girl (which, BTW, is the same amount I would pay here for a young beauty for PSE). But for that price in a poor country, you want to be sure of: beauty, high level of performance, timeframe (2 hours? 3 hours? Overnight). With escort services in Manila, any / all of those variables can be hit / miss.

What do you mean by 'decent' girl? Hot? Performance? You can find hotties in EDSA / Burgos bars for less than that for the night. Same in LAC. Consider an alternative: find any girl in LAC that strikes your fancy and take her. Cultivate her to be your pimpette for your needs. Tell her your specific needs. You would be amazed at how quickly a girl in the biz can bring you what you want, outside the barfine system.

By 'transexuals', do you mean bakla (they are not the same)?

They've been there for some time now (years), staking out the area from Oxford Suites (on burgos, by the convenience store near Kalayaan), to around the corner on Kalayaan towards Makati Ave.

Yes. Not only there to make money, but they like sexing.

Yes. And French guys. Norwegians. Americans. Aussies. Koreans. And so on.I don't know or care what they are. I call them TS's. Whether they still have a package or not, I don't care. It all is very scary to me. And as a strictly heterosexual male, it worries me alot to be in places where TS's reign.

It seems odd to me that as Burgos St. Goes to the middle easterners, that more and more TS's move in to the bars etc. Back 10 years, when Burgos was all Aussies etc. , the TS's were few and far between. It was mostly young girl massage girls etc.

I wonder what a conversation between a potential customer and a TS consists of. Do they care if the package is still present or is that a surprise kept for later in the room?

Any who, I am not a hater, but maybe Cafe Cubana, after 10 pm should change it's name to Cafe TS. LOL.

[Sammon]

I have been to the PI dozens of times, but really wanted to splurge with a high end girl. And I learned my lesson. Next time, I am to go to AC to do my P4 P. If you chat up a girl right, and promise a nice tip etc, then I think you can get alot of girls to BF in AC. Some are cherry girls, or don't BF without alot of work, but there are plenty of hot chix in AC to BF the first night if you arent cheap, are nice to them etc.

I will just look for girls off the dating sites in Manila. Else HJ's from massage girls. Sex in manila is too expensive! For a decent girl off of the P4 P sites, or off the nuru massage site, you are to pay 7 k peso. For that much, you can BF 2 girls in AC.

Also, I want to say that Burgos is really getting sleazy. I saw a naked toddler boy running down the sidewalk. And an ex-pat nearly fighting with a salesman on the sidewalk at 7 am at Cafe Cubana. And the transexuals are everywhere after 10 pm or so. Why have so many TS's come to Burgos? If they are there, they are making $. Are the middle eastern men sleeping with them? I have heard in the Arab culture, women are for having babies, but men are for sex. Thus the TS's are for sex with the Arabs?It is hard to distinguish who is high end and who is not. None of the girls show their wares like they used to do before. Only way you are going to find out is after the clothes come off. Performance in bed is not guaranteed. Unless you want to parade around the arm candy as a casual monger I would not look for high end girls. As I have seen most of the pretty, slim, fair girls who do want to work in a bar are in Korean or Japanese bars. Remember always, pretty girls are in hot demand and consequently they can pick and choose who to be with and may or may not want to fuck you good. Money is not the sole motive unless she is new to the business.

Gone are the days when pretty girls come from the provinces to Manila and AC and provide excellent GFE service.

There are many TS even on the dating sites. Few admit but majority do not. There must be a market for them in Manila and AC. Many bargirls have them as their boyfriends and protectors.

[CallSign Papa]

I wonder what a conversation between a potential customer and a TS consists of.
I don't know who looks for TS but I'm pretty sure no dude goes through the expense, pain and hassle of getting fake tits, then hangs out in public solely to get shagged up the arse by other men unless they really need the money, so let them get on with it. If you really are interested, there's a guy on the Stickman website that goes into great detail about why he likes them, his username is "The Pretender", to each his own.

I don't think that you're accurately reflecting the situation on Burgos St and the surrounding area. As Westie has rightly mentioned, there have been TS hanging on corners and calling to guys since I started visiting. Never have they got grabby and never have I see one actually in a bar (certainly not Bourbon Street, Kojax or Bottoms). Sure they can be annoying if you bump into a few in a row, but it's a small price to pay in what is usually a fun place to hang out.

The demographic of punters seems to be pretty similar to me now as it was 2 years ago. Yes plenty of middle easterners, indians, but still the majority is "western", or at least it sure was last night at about 11 pm.

Had a lovely Mexican Burger at the Filling Station before heading to H&J to watch the football. The area seemed to be teeming with groups of young white girls doing (what I can only imagine was) some kind of team-building exercise, a bit surreal.

[Engine Driver]

The area seemed to be teeming with groups of young white girls doing (what I can only imagine was) some kind of team-building exercise, a bit surreal.Yeah they're probably missionaries. There are 12 young white girls staying at the Lewis Grand in AC at the moment. I asked the driver who they were and he said missionaries. No doubt trying to rescue the bar girls from prostitution or street urchins from exploitation. Don't know how successful they will be, but it will sure make great photos for their social media apps.

It was funny. They were sitting at the next table to me at breakfast while I was typing out my reports for ISG.