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All retired people want to keep busy and run a business. .....Not this retired old fart. Lol.
I ran a business back home, it was profitable but my income was highly variable. Some years less than minimum wages, some years well into the top 1%.
I have, on behalf of others, looked into the requirements of opening a business here. You can never get a full and complete answer on what licenses and permits are required and how to go about getting them. A local woman, never met her but we are chatting on line every couple of days, was about 2 months getting everything in place for a sari sari type of store. I have seen 10 different permits in a laundromat.
There was a news story pre-pandemic about a woman who was ecstatic that it only took her 45 days to get all permits to open a home based alterations business, just her and a sewing machine.
Barangy level Municipality level and provincial level to operate, health hygiene, fire inspection plus tax permits.
A local can get away with missing one but a foreigner will not only need every permit that they have thought of, as well as every permit that they will think of plus the necessary visa and work permits to work here. They will invent a permit this morning and shut you down this afternoon.
A dive buddy built a high end airbnb rental unit. He was short one permit, all the fire department had to do was come and confirm that he had the required size of fire extinguisher, he had a smaller one according to the regulations but was told he needed a bigger one because. Reasons. He immediately went and got the larger extinguisher, asked for a re inspection the same day but was told that the inspector just left on 2 week holiday and no one else could issue the permit.
He lost a 60 k p rental because of that.
Miss one required permit and you will either get a healthy fine (cash no receipt option available of course) or shut down and possibly deported or all of these. If you are deported, don't worry about your investment, someone will be happy to steal it and operate it, they will just want all the profits and will steal the fixtures as well.
If you do get all the permits in place and can open, expect employee theft and misbehavior to be rampant, You will not have any recourse because in court the foreigner is obviously wrong and because he has the most money needs to give a pile of it to the local. If you are selling to locals, expect to have to extend credit and a huge default rate.
If you want to incorporate, you can only own 40%, locals have to own 60%. You can never own land. Try to get around these limits and the anti dummy laws will come into play.
The most I would ever do here is if I had a long term GF who already had a successful business but needed a capital infusion to expand, and had a solid business plan, I might invest some in it. I would look at that as paying for pussy, not as a business investment.
Never invest more than you are willing to walk away from. Yes I have a car but if the fecal material hits the rotating air moving device, I will just drive to the airport double park it in the drop off zone and leave the keys in it before boarding a flight out of here.
Nope no business here for me.
KG. I wanted to be in Manila for few years to enjoy life, and was thinking the best way to be there. I thought of starting a small business. Your message making me rethink the options. Looks like you have done good amount of research, and it would be great to get your insights.
Si.
Not this retired old fart. Lol.
I ran a business back home, it was profitable but my income was highly variable. Some years less than minimum wages, some years well into the top 1%.
I have, on behalf of others, looked into the requirements of opening a business here. You can never get a full and complete answer on what licenses and permits are required and how to go about getting them. A local woman, never met her but we are chatting on line every couple of days, was about 2 months getting everything in place for a sari sari type of store. I have seen 10 different permits in a laundromat.
There was a news story pre-pandemic about a woman who was ecstatic that it only took her 45 days to get all permits to open a home based alterations business, just her and a sewing machine.
Barangy level Municipality level and provincial level to operate, health hygiene, fire inspection plus tax permits.
A local can get away with missing one but a foreigner will not only need every permit that they have thought of, as well as every permit that they will think of plus the necessary visa and work permits to work here. They will invent a permit this morning and shut you down this afternoon..
Engine Driver
01-08-21, 19:57
KG. I wanted to be in Manila for few years to enjoy life, and was thinking the best way to be there. I thought of starting a small business. Your message making me rethink the options. Looks like you have done good amount of research, and it would be great to get your insights.
Si.Unless a monger has successfully owned and operated businesses in his own country, there is no way he is going to do this well in the Philippines. A country he knows nothing about. Where do they get these hare brained ideas from? Too much chatting with barely literate nincompoops on the dating sites? That's what happens when you appoint a hooker as your Chief Investment Officer and who's idea of big time entrepreneurial success is opening a fucking sari sari store.
What makes septuagenarian mongers think they're suddenly going to acquire business acumen and the necessary political contacts the minute they arrive at NAIA? Commercial nous does not instantly materialize through osmosis, by popping a 100 MG Viagra pill or BBFSCIP with a 20 year old MILF from Eastern Samar.
The best a monger can hope to do is remotely manage his share portfolio on line and live off the dividends. Or manage his property portfolio through his realtor back home and live off the rent. These can be achieved successfully if the monger has used his formative years to build wealth in his own country instead of squandering it on chasing Pinay hookers full time.
A $1 million dollar stock portfolio would conservatively yield $35 k a year in dividends. That's 150,000 peso a month. According to the reports here, that amount is enough to retire well in the Philippines. And no need to touch the capital.
I've been in the process for the last two years of starting a 100% foreign owned business in the Philippines. I do not recommend this to anyone that doesn't have strong local ties with the government, a good law firm, and deep pockets. You can have a 100% foreign owned company if you register as an SEC company and open in one of the many Philippine economic zones (PEZA). The requirement is you need a Philippine citizen as Registered Representative and Secretary but they don't need to be shareholders. Three of your shareholders must have local Philippine addresses but can all be foreigners. You are also restricted to selling a maximum of 40% of your goods in country, the rest must be exported. We expect our licensing to be completed shortly at which time we'll be issued Business Visas and can start traveling to the Philippines during the pandemic as long as there aren't any country restriction in place like there are now with the new strain of virus.
Not this retired old fart. Lol.
I have, on behalf of others, looked into the requirements of opening a business here. You can never get a full and complete answer on what licenses and permits are required and how to go about getting them. A local woman, never met her but we are chatting on line every couple of days, was about 2 months getting everything in place for a sari sari type of store. I have seen 10 different permits in a laundromat.
If you want to incorporate, you can only own 40%, locals have to own 60%. You can never own land. Try to get around these limits and the anti dummy laws will come into play.
Nope no business here for me.
Wicked Roger
01-08-21, 22:01
If you want to incorporate, you can only own 40%, locals have to own 60%. You can never own land. Try to get around these limits and the anti dummy laws will come into play.
The most I would ever do here is if I had a long term GF who already had a successful business but needed a capital infusion to expand, and had a solid business plan, I might invest some in it. I would look at that as paying for pussy, not as a business investment.
Never invest more than you are willing to walk away from. Yes I have a car but if the fecal material hits the rotating air moving device, I will just drive to the airport double park it in the drop off zone and leave the keys in it before boarding a flight out of here.
Nope no business here for me.Solid advice KG. I know people with business but they let the pinay run it, the pinay gets all the licenses etc and it is quick but still frustrating (her words) but for a foreigner we can spend months and get nowhere (I know people who this happened to).
A mate set up business in Cebu and used an old friend (pinay) as the front and she did everything, worked like a dream as she knew all the knobs to press, all the people in Capitol to see and arrange the BIR, the fire inspections etc. She even got cheap office furniture, sorted out the lease of the photocopiers and servers etc all in a fraction of the time it would have taken him doing it.
She has helped others as well as she is reliable and trusted (an old friend of over 10 years) but I am with KG on me having a business in the Philippines.
One example of where it can go wrong. Another friend, good business, but when started to make real profit the pinoy partners (he had to have 60% pinoy) forced him out claiming 'estafa' using the Marcos law (version of I was told) and he fled the country with debts, left behind a condo etc, never returned as he would be thrown in jail. Friend who tried to intervene / mediate including a priest from his local church told same (ie shut up, leave alone or same fate).
He landed in his home country with $600 and one suitcase. All he had to show for 10 years of building the brand etc.
Now the business is no more. Go figure! 22 people lost their jobs (all pinoy).
(Side note: I also knew (and met) his pinoy partners and some had very high profile connections).
You will not have any recourse because in court the foreigner is obviously wrong and because he has the most money needs to give a pile of it to the local. If you are selling to locals, expect to have to extend credit and a huge default rate..Wasn't there a tale here about a guy sending his girl cash to build a house, she'd send photos of the build, ask for more cash. And when he finally arrived the girl was gone so he went to the house only to find out it was a strangers house she had been taking photos of and he was out all of his cash.
I'd even go so far as to change the password on your laptop frequently so the GF doesn't catch on to it. Install a guest account for her to use on your laptop if she wants to go online as well. Have a hiding place for your passport as well, hard to jump ship if you can't leave the country in a hurry. I watched a youtube video and the guy suggested if you want the girl to move out you take her out to dinner and a movie. And your friends pack up her things and change the locks. You then ditch her and get back to the room before she does. She will most likely call the cops if she thinks she's losing her nest egg, if she's inside the apartment she can claim you hit her and you being the foreigner go to jail.
FuriousGeorge
01-09-21, 01:13
How about this scenario. I work for a large company in the US. Remote work has become the norm, and when things are back to normal, remote work will be much more common. I've thought maybe I could convince them to let me work remotely from PI. Maybe I do a year, maybe two, who knows. Money goes straight into my US bank account. Second scenario. Maybe I quit my job and work there remotely doing freelance. For American companies. I have a tech job where this is a possibility. Not as much money and not as stable an income. But. Things I have thought about. Not even sure about the legality of it but I may look into it.
Engine Driver
01-09-21, 01:22
How about this scenario. I work for a large company in the US. Remote work has become the norm, and when things are back to normal, remote work will be much more common. I've thought maybe I could convince them to let me work remotely from PI. Maybe I do a year, maybe two, who knows. Money goes straight into my US bank account. Second scenario. Maybe I quit my job and work there remotely doing freelance. For American companies. I have a tech job where this is a possibility. Not as much money and not as stable an income. But. Things I have thought about. Not even sure about the legality of it but I may look into it.Only you will know if that's possible. Quitting your job to chase Pinay pussy full time never makes any sense.
Wasn't there a tale here about a guy sending his girl cash to build a house, she'd send photos of the build, ask for more cash. And when he finally arrived the girl was gone so he went to the house only to find out it was a strangers house she had been taking photos of and he was out all of his cash.
I'd even go so far as to change the password on your laptop frequently so the GF doesn't catch on to it. Install a guest account for her to use on your laptop if she wants to go online as well. Have a hiding place for your passport as well, hard to jump ship if you can't leave the country in a hurry. I watched a youtube video and the guy suggested if you want the girl to move out you take her out to dinner and a movie. And your friends pack up her things and change the locks. You then ditch her and get back to the room before she does. She will most likely call the cops if she thinks she's losing her nest egg, if she's inside the apartment she can claim you hit her and you being the foreigner go to jail.BM,
No offense but I find people pouring effort into counter surveillance and asset protection laughable. If someone has transferred significant immovable assets into the country and the girl, family or business partners want him gone then he is gone. If they want to find true identities again that's quick and easy. It's only the guy that thinks otherwise.
The ONLY way to protect residency, assets and life is to be worth more to those people in country than gone (or dead!
Monthly funding of a nice lifestyle from western investments is good. A wad of cash brought into country to buy fixed assets is bad. 😁.
Cheers. G.
How about this scenario. I work for a large company in the US. Remote work has become the norm, and when things are back to normal, remote work will be much more common. I've thought maybe I could convince them to let me work remotely from PI. Maybe I do a year, maybe two, who knows. Money goes straight into my US bank account. Second scenario. Maybe I quit my job and work there remotely doing freelance. For American companies. I have a tech job where this is a possibility. Not as much money and not as stable an income. But. Things I have thought about. Not even sure about the legality of it but I may look into it.More and more companies and jobs don't care where an employee is physically. Covid has just improved that. Lots of westerners are working in grey jobs I. Asia.
Technically you would need local work permits, tax declaration yada yada yada. However, stay below the radar, don't advertise what you are getting away with locally and you should be ok.
The main thing is just don't give people or bureaucrats a reason to make a fuss.
BM,
No offense but I find people pouring effort into counter surveillance and asset protection laughable. If someone has transferred significant immovable assets into the country and the girl, family or business partners want him gone then he is gone. If they want to find true identities again that's quick and easy. It's only the guy that thinks otherwise.
The ONLY way to protect residency, assets and life is to be worth more to those people in country than gone (or dead!
Monthly funding of a nice lifestyle from western investments is good. A wad of cash brought into country to buy fixed assets is bad. 😁.
Cheers. G.Excellent points. If you are an American, and thinking about marriage, remember to tell them that the social security benefit for spouses starts out small and goes up slowly for each year you are married. Gives them an excellent reason to keep you alive. I think it maxes out after 10 years but they don't need to know that. LOL.
Excellent points. If you are an American, and thinking about marriage, remember to tell them that the social security benefit for spouses starts out small and goes up slowly for each year you are married. Gives them an excellent reason to keep you alive. I think it maxes out after 10 years but they don't need to know that. LOL.I believe for Americans the wife can't collect even if she is eligible if she resides outside of US, unless she is a US citizen.
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The main thing is just don't give people or bureaucrats a reason to make a fuss.Under the radar is my favourite place.
Engine Driver
01-09-21, 22:39
More and more companies and jobs don't care where an employee is physically. Covid has just improved that. Lots of westerners are working in grey jobs I. Asia.Yes and no.
1. The social stigma associated with being in the Philippines or Thailand is huge. It's negative and it's not going to improve your credibility. Everyone in your office will know why a single person is based in the Philippines (and it's not for doing charity work for poor people in your spare time). Being labelled a monger is the worst label you can get.
2. Time difference is a killer. The 3-hour gap between the Philippines and eastern Australia is probably manageable, but the gap is virtually impossible to bridge if your office is in the US or UK.
3. Remote working is suited to low level IT help desk, code cutting, web design or graphic design type work where you can work solo and as an independent contractor. Ongoing marketing and business development will be hard. Are new clients going to give you work if you're in the Philippines? I wouldn't. Any client facing, managerial or executive positions need real face time.
4. The COVID work from home experiment has had a mixed success rate. The novelty has worn out and most people want the social interaction a real office can provide. Productivity has dropped in many sectors as people need more supervision and better time management skills. No promotion prospects for the young as they can't really prove their worth behind a Zoom screen. Government employees have just abused the system as their jobs are protected.
Yes and no.
1. The social stigma associated with being in the Philippines or Thailand is huge. It's negative and it's not going to improve your credibility. Everyone in your office will know why a single person is based in the Philippines (and it's not for doing charity work for poor people in your spare time). Being labelled a monger is the worst label you can get.
2. Time difference is a killer. The 3-hour gap between the Philippines and eastern Australia is probably manageable, but the gap is virtually impossible to bridge if your office is in the US or UK.
3. Remote working is suited to low level IT help desk, code cutting, web design or graphic design type work where you can work solo and as an independent contractor. Ongoing marketing and business development will be hard. Are new clients going to give you work if you're in the Philippines? I wouldn't. Any client facing, managerial or executive positions need real face time.
4. The COVID work from home experiment has had a mixed success rate. The novelty has worn out and most people want the social interaction a real office can provide. Productivity has dropped in many sectors as people need more supervision and better time management skills. No promotion prospects for the young as they can't really prove their worth behind a Zoom screen. Government employees have just abused the system as their jobs are protected.Have you based this on actual experience? I can point / introduce you to a number of people based in Angeles doing high end IT work. They do not compete with the low end work. This group of people are not frequenting the entertainment precinct.
FuriousGeorge
01-10-21, 04:48
Good points, #1 being the most compelling. I did think 'working from home' was a scam before covid, and the few times I worked from home before this, I was definitely less effective. But now that it's the norm, solid metrics are in place to track productivity. In the tech sector, jobs are competitive, and new hires are superstars. We've fired and hired plenty of people in the last year. But if you aren't performing, you're out, just like before. The government is different. I can't imagine how bad the scam is running rampant there.
Anyway, something for me to think about. I'm relatively young, so I suspect that ultimately I will just sell my home here and 'retire' overseas around age 55 with a million or two in the bank and freelance as it comes along.
Yes and no.
1. The social stigma associated with being in the Philippines or Thailand is huge. It's negative and it's not going to improve your credibility. Everyone in your office will know why a single person is based in the Philippines (and it's not for doing charity work for poor people in your spare time). Being labelled a monger is the worst label you can get.
2. Time difference is a killer. The 3-hour gap between the Philippines and eastern Australia is probably manageable, but the gap is virtually impossible to bridge if your office is in the US or UK.
3. Remote working is suited to low level IT help desk, code cutting, web design or graphic design type work where you can work solo and as an independent contractor. Ongoing marketing and business development will be hard. Are new clients going to give you work if you're in the Philippines? I wouldn't. Any client facing, managerial or executive positions need real face time.
4. The COVID work from home experiment has had a mixed success rate. The novelty has worn out and most people want the social interaction a real office can provide. Productivity has dropped in many sectors as people need more supervision and better time management skills. No promotion prospects for the young as they can't really prove their worth behind a Zoom screen. Government employees have just abused the system as their jobs are protected.
Anyway, something for me to think about. I'm relatively young, so I suspect that ultimately I will just sell my home here and 'retire' overseas around age 55 with a million or two in the bank and freelance as it comes along.If you are young, qualified and skilled, just get an expat role. This brings with it a whole raft of allowances and perks that you will not get as a freelance or remote office employee. Remember the role does not have to be in PI or LOS for you to have your fun. In fact, the Holy Grail would be a high paid, socially acceptable, gig in SG or HK combined with $30 flights to weekends away.
Enjoy. G.
Engine Driver
01-10-21, 09:25
Anyway, something for me to think about. I'm relatively young, so I suspect that ultimately I will just sell my home here and 'retire' overseas around age 55 with a million or two in the bank and freelance as it comes along.That sounds like a good plan. A million or two invested in your home country would allow you to live a good life in the Philippines. Assuming at the age of 55, your viagra infused marshmallow will only need to root three chicks a week, what would you do for the rest of the time? Sure you can get five massages a week, but that only uses up ten hours. Hahaha.
Workout at the gym, read, grocery shopping, resolving domestic issues with LBFMs, visiting the relatives in province, mediating disputes over a sack of rice? Sounds like an exciting life. Hahahaha.
Mr Enternational
01-10-21, 14:48
The social stigma associated with being in the Philippines or Thailand is huge. It's negative and it's not going to improve your credibility. Everyone in your office will know why a single person is based in the Philippines (and it's not for doing charity work for poor people in your spare time). Being labelled a monger is the worst label you can get.Nothing in this bullet point is true. You only say that because you are on the inside. To most normal people they are just places and are not associated with debauchery. And even if you are a known debaucherer nobody gives a fuck. Mongers are always thinking they are going to get some kind of scarlet letter.
Chocha Monger
01-10-21, 14:57
Yes and no.
1. The social stigma associated with being in the Philippines or Thailand is huge. It's negative and it's not going to improve your credibility. Everyone in your office will know why a single person is based in the Philippines (and it's not for doing charity work for poor people in your spare time). Being labelled a monger is the worst label you can get.Do you want to maintain a pristine veneer of respectability in your homeland? Is your social standing and reputation as a man of good morals important to you in the West? Well, nothing screams "monger" louder than recreational travel and expat status in the Philippines. Everyone will know that you are there for the cheap and easy access to sex with nubile natives. People will brand you as a perverted monger even if they do not say it to your face. Your reputation and social status will suffer and never recover. You need to consider whether becoming a social outcast is worth having your marshmallow sucked on the cheap in the Philippines. Of course, if you do not have much of a reputation to begin with at home, you might not have much more to lose as an expat monger.
...Being labelled a monger is the worst label you can get.....If that's what you think of yourself then so be it. If one makes positive contributions to the world and treats the ladies with respect I think such a characterization would be inappropriate.
If you are young, qualified and skilled, just get an expat role. This brings with it a whole raft of allowances and perks that you will not get as a freelance or remote office employee. Remember the role does not have to be in PI or LOS for you to have your fun. In fact, the Holy Grail would be a high paid, socially acceptable, gig in SG or HK combined with $30 flights to weekends away.
Enjoy. G.A highly paid job in SG or HK would the best. Live in maid / cook $450-600 a month. Cheap flights. I knew such a person working in HK and flying direct to AC for the weekends. I would prefer living in SG myself.
FuriousGeorge
01-10-21, 21:12
I can get laid in the US. I wouldn't be going there just to bed girls. But yes, I'm tall, white, youngish, and fit. It's like shooting fish in a barrel there. What would I do? Live like a king in the penthouse of a high rise, play basketball every day, and explore some of the 7,100 islands in my spare time. Having sex with petite nubile Filipinas along the way. Sounds pretty good to me.
That sounds like a good plan. A million or two invested in your home country would allow you to live a good life in the Philippines. Assuming at the age of 55, your viagra infused marshmallow will only need to root three chicks a week, what would you do for the rest of the time? Sure you can get five massages a week, but that only uses up ten hours. Hahaha.
Workout at the gym, read, grocery shopping, resolving domestic issues with LBFMs, visiting the relatives in province, mediating disputes over a sack of rice? Sounds like an exciting life. Hahahaha.
Mr Enternational
01-10-21, 21:19
I can get laid in the US. I wouldn't be going there just to bed girls. But yes, I'm tall, white, youngish, and fit. It's like shooting fish in a barrel there. What would I do? Live like a king in the penthouse of a high rise, play basketball every day, and explore some of the 7,100 islands in my spare time. Having sex with petite nubile Filipinas along the way. Sounds pretty good to me.Sounded good to a former BM from Australia that tried it in Cebu as well. Is he still in prison?
I can get laid in the US. I wouldn't be going there just to bed girls. But yes, I'm tall, white, youngish, and fit. It's like shooting fish in a barrel there. What would I do? Live like a king in the penthouse of a high rise, play basketball every day, and explore some of the 7,100 islands in my spare time. Having sex with petite nubile Filipinas along the way. Sounds pretty good to me.I've been working virtually and living in other Asian countries for several years now, up until CNY last year.
However, my situation / work schedule allows it. Sadly I've been stuck in the you. S since last year, but that will change after next week.
Only request out of my company is to not live in PI anymore, as a former coworker of mine, who was staying there long term, found himself in a lot of trouble. He is now unemployed, broke, divorced, and a slave to the criminal justice system. Bargirl issues.
I've been working virtually and living in other Asian countries for several years now, up until CNY last year.
However, my situation / work schedule allows it. Sadly I've been stuck in the you. S since last year, but that will change after next week.
Only request out of my company is to not live in PI anymore, as a former coworker of mine, who was staying there long term, found himself in a lot of trouble. He is now unemployed, broke, divorced, and a slave to the criminal justice system. Bargirl issues.How about an unbiased report on the coworker and his situation? What the hell does bargirl issues mean?
How about an unbiased report on the coworker and his situation? What the hell does bargirl issues mean?Can't say too much about that, other than he was a non-you. S based coworker stealing money from people in his home country through various scams, to support a bar girl.
It must have been a significant amount of cash, because he was highly educated and well paid.
Didn't really have much interaction with him and my info is all second-hand.
Can't say too much about that, other than he was a non-you. S based coworker stealing money from people in his home country through various scams, to support a bar girl.
It must have been a significant amount of cash, because he was highly educated and well paid.
Didn't really have much interaction with him and my info is all second-hand.Not really a bargirl issue. Just a thieving issue.
Engine Driver
01-11-21, 02:41
I can get laid in the US. I wouldn't be going there just to bed girls. But yes, I'm tall, white, youngish, and fit. It's like shooting fish in a barrel there. What would I do? Live like a king in the penthouse of a high rise, play basketball every day, and explore some of the 7,100 islands in my spare time.A cocky attitude like that, combined with white privilege won't get you far in the Philippines. It will only attract attention and danger. You could learn a lot from the mistakes made by Messrs Shobbrook, Birthisel and Scully who are now enjoying an extended free vacation at Bilibid. Hahaha.
What would I do? Live like a king in the penthouse of a high rise, play basketball every day, and explore some of the 7,100 islands in my spare time. Having sex with petite nubile Filipinas along the way. Sounds pretty good to me.I've said it a million times that living and holidaying in Asia are TOTALLY different. Be prepared for visions of nirvana to be severely dented as time progresses. It can be a great life but high rise penthouses also have no privacy and gossips as neighbors; sports every day, day after day, gets old fealty fast; travelling between idyllic islands also has hours of delays and cancelled flights; nubile 19 yos can soon become an endless stream of sick relatives, school fees and inane conversation.
I'm not trying to destroy your dream but it doesn't hurt to temper long term expectations.
Enjoy. G.
Lack of common sense is hard to straighten out. But a dream is a wonderful thing.
GoodEnough
01-11-21, 14:05
I've said it a million times that living and holidaying in Asia are TOTALLY different. Be prepared for visions of nirvana to be severely dented as time progresses. It can be a great life but high rise penthouses also have no privacy and gossips as neighbors; sports every day, day after day, gets old fealty fast; travelling between idyllic islands also has hours of delays and cancelled flights; nubile 19 yos can soon become an endless stream of sick relatives, school fees and inane conversation.
I'm not trying to destroy your dream but it doesn't hurt to temper long term expectations.
Enjoy. G.Well said, but I think you have to live the experience before understanding how routine, and ultimately fairly boring it can become. Living in a chocolate factory only stays a novelty for a short while.
GE.
FuriousGeorge
01-11-21, 14:39
Actually living in a high rise penthouse is the ultimate privacy. I live in one now in LA. Nobody can get to me unless I allow it. I would never be bored in this situation in PI, I can promise you that. Hoops and freelance CG art, visiting the various islands in my free time, still I think would be pretty damn good. But, I appreciate the counsel. I can see how getting blackmailed by the locals could be an issue. And perhaps I try it for a year or two and see how it goes. I still have many years to decide. But I'm going to have about 2 months of paid time off at the end of this year and I would really like to enjoy it in PI partying. Everyone get vaccinated please.
I've said it a million times that living and holidaying in Asia are TOTALLY different. Be prepared for visions of nirvana to be severely dented as time progresses. It can be a great life but high rise penthouses also have no privacy and gossips as neighbors; sports every day, day after day, gets old fealty fast; travelling between idyllic islands also has hours of delays and cancelled flights; nubile 19 yos can soon become an endless stream of sick relatives, school fees and inane conversation.
I'm not trying to destroy your dream but it doesn't hurt to temper long term expectations.
Enjoy. G.
Mr Enternational
01-11-21, 15:58
Well said, but I think you have to live the experience before understanding how routine, and ultimately fairly boring it can become. Living in a chocolate factory only stays a novelty for a short while.But even the hookers you mess with tend to think your life revolves around women because that is the environment they are in and they see the vacationers doing it. I am like bih I have other things to do in life besides chase pussy.
Mr Enternational
01-11-21, 16:35
Everyone get vaccinated please.Uhhh. For what?
https://youtu.be/kIqY5bL8M58
How one lives ones life in the US will impact on the enjoyment of living in the Philippines. Everyone knows that P4P in the US sucks big time. However, there are many other enjoyable things to be done back home. For example, one may like fine dining, going to clubs (hip hop, jazz or other), going to the theatre or concerts, going to museums, hitting clubs with buddies, visiting and hanging out with friends and family, etc. If one does all these things back home then living in the Philippines will get very boring fast. However, if one does not do these things and just stays in ones lodging working remotely while taking time out to go to the supermarket then living in the Philippines can be paradise.
Covid has actually got me to appreciate being home a bit more. I have been banging hookers albeit not as hot and not as cheap as in my mongering destinations but I have actually been able to save more money than if I was travelling. Actually, there is no other place I´d rather be right now. Furthermore, having no access to my favorite girls in Latin America, Asia and Germany my local hookers are beginning to look better and better.
Actually living in a high rise penthouse is the ultimate privacy. I live in one now in LA. Nobody can get to me unless I allow it. I would never be bored in this situation in PI, I can promise you that. Hoops and freelance CG art, visiting the various islands in my free time, still I think would be pretty damn good. But, I appreciate the counsel. I can see how getting blackmailed by the locals could be an issue. And perhaps I try it for a year or two and see how it goes. I still have many years to decide. But I'm going to have about 2 months of paid time off at the end of this year and I would really like to enjoy it in PI partying. Everyone get vaccinated please.Good luck with privacy anywhere in Asia, even with the penthouse.
Everyone will know what you're up to. The security guards and local residents will notice the parade of different Pinays through the white man's door.
Make some friends over there / switch up activities and you will enjoy it, after the initial shock.
Its much preferable to living at home.
Uhhh. For what?
https://youtu.be/kIqY5bL8M58Ummm. I can't open this link in Australia but when I search "Gottlieb says vaccine strategy "not working" and USA Needs "to hit the reset" button" the name of the video I can see numerous similar article. He is saying that the rollout strategy is not working. The vaccine is working, USA needs it to be deployed faster. If you can help with that it would be appreciated.
How one lives ones life in the US will impact on the enjoyment of living in the Philippines.....This is very true. I've often said that Asia has basically no societal constraints. A white guy with a few bucks can and often does what ever he wants without restraint. This leads to his personality to become exaggerated when away from home:
The mildly annoying become total A-holes.
The guys that occasionally have a few too many rums litterally drink them selves to death.
Those that are quiet become overwhelmed and total recluses.
Those that lead a balanced life with numerous interests (not just there for the cheap pussy) have a great time for many years.
Enjoy. G.
Good luck with privacy anywhere in Asia, even with the penthouse.
Everyone will know what you're up to....A buddy walks into a bar for the first time. About 3 islands and 500 miles from home. He's never been there before. Orders a beer. Orders another beer and is feeling hungry. Walks into the attached restaurant next door. Pays for a steak. He's still thirsty. "Can you deliver the steak nextdoor?" "Sure we do it all the time. " Back to beers in the bar. The steak is taking a while. The steak is taking too long. His phone rings. It's his wife back home. "Hey, go next door and collect your steak, they couldn't find you. Don't drink too much. ".
True story. How's that privacy going? 😁.
WestCoast1
01-12-21, 02:39
A buddy walks into a bar for the first time. About 3 islands and 500 miles from home. He's never been there before. Orders a beer. Orders another beer and is feeling hungry. Walks into the attached restaurant next door. Pays for a steak. He's still thirsty. "Can you deliver the steak nextdoor?" "Sure we do it all the time. " Back to beers in the bar. The steak is taking a while. The steak is taking too long. His phone rings. It's his wife back home. "Hey, go next door and collect your steak, they couldn't find you. Don't drink too much. ".
True story. How's that privacy going? 😁.Buddy flies from Aus to Phils to visit his pinay in Cebu city. His plane lands early evening, and he has a connecting flight from NAIA to Cebu in the morning. He FB msgs his cebuana to tell the girl that he is at his hotel and all is well and he is going for a walk for dinner. He walks up the street to a resto / bar, sits at the bar and orders a beer and food. The resto is busy at that time with customers. Sipping his grog and waiting for his food, two former bar girls, who he had before, are walking out of the resto. They stop and chat the Aussie for a few minutes and move on. He is now alone again at the bar waiting for his food. Other patrons come and go. He gets a FB msg from his girl in Cebu city. She has sent a picture to him in PM. In the pic, he is sitting at the bar chatting to two young ladies. The pic must have been taken just a few moments ago. From the vantage point of the camera, our gent looks to his left at a now-empty table, where the pic must have been taken a few minutes ago. Previously there had been a pinoy group there, and they had just departed. Someone at that table took the Aussie's pic while he was chatting the ladies. Then that person FB msg'd that pic to the girl in Cebu. The girl, unhappy, sent the pic to the Aussie, with this msg: "Asshole how many GF do you have?" Hahaha. Soooooo private!
Boy, that's a long night.
SinfullyKorean
01-12-21, 03:11
Buddy flies from Aus to Phils to visit his pinay in Cebu city. His plane lands early evening, and he has a connecting flight from NAIA to Cebu in the morning. He FB msgs his cebuana to tell the girl that he is at his hotel and all is well and he is going for a walk for dinner. He walks up the street to a resto / bar, sits at the bar and orders a beer and food. The resto is busy at that time with customers. Sipping his grog and waiting for his food, two former bar girls, who he had before, are walking out of the resto. They stop and chat the Aussie for a few minutes and move on. He is now alone again at the bar waiting for his food. Other patrons come and go. He gets a FB msg from his girl in Cebu city. She has sent a picture to him in PM. In the pic, he is sitting at the bar chatting to two young ladies. The pic must have been taken just a few moments ago. From the vantage point of the camera, our gent looks to his left at a now-empty table, where the pic must have been taken a few minutes ago. Previously there had been a pinoy group there, and they had just departed. Someone at that table took the Aussie's pic while he was chatting the ladies. Then that person FB msg'd that pic to the girl in Cebu. The girl, unhappy, sent the pic to the Aussie, with this msg: "Asshole how many GF do you have?" Hahaha. Soooooo private!
Boy, that's a long night.Jeezus! So much drama! Girls are prob jealous of each other and can't stand to see the other happy.
Jeezus! So much drama! Girls are prob jealous of each other and can't stand to see the other happy.My response, sometimes: Who do you think you are? You are not my wife, the mother of my children.
No need to point out--she gets the message--that she is only a temporary companion to my old age or, if she's a hooker, that she's in it for the money.
This is very true. I've often said that Asia has basically no societal constraints. A white guy with a few bucks can and often does what ever he wants without restraint. This leads to his personality to become exaggerated when away from home:
The mildly annoying become total A-holes.
The guys that occasionally have a few too many rums litterally drink them selves to death.
Those that are quiet become overwhelmed and total recluses.
Those that lead a balanced life with numerous interests (not just there for the cheap pussy) have a great time for many years.
Enjoy. G.I'm not a recluse but an average person. Not yet an A-hole or at least not that anyone has called me that. Ok, a few girls I've thrown out for real bitches or scammers have called me that, so not sure if those count.
I like a few beers but not everyday, so guess I'm not yet an alcoholic.
I've spent time in Manila in the past but don't go anymore as I find the city to be just too chaotic and dirty. Traffic is shit along with most of the city.
After 3 weeks, its difficult to find something to do other than find ladies. So the balanced life in Manila is somewhat problematic for me.
So now, I spend most of my time in AC instead. Mostly the same as Manila as AC is also a shit hole in general.
Also ran out of things to do after 2-3 weeks other than finding ladies. So trying to find a balance life in AC is problematic too, but at least its at more affordable prices compare to Manila.
Lost Refugee
01-12-21, 16:27
How one lives ones life in the US will impact on the enjoyment of living in the Philippines. Everyone knows that P4P in the US sucks big time. However, there are many other enjoyable things to be done back home. For example, one may like fine dining, going to clubs (hip hop, jazz or other), going to the theatre or concerts, going to museums, hitting clubs with buddies, visiting and hanging out with friends and family, etc. If one does all these things back home then living in the Philippines will get very boring fast. However, if one does not do these things and just stays in ones lodging working remotely while taking time out to go to the supermarket then living in the Philippines can be paradise.
Covid has actually got me to appreciate being home a bit more. I have been banging hookers albeit not as hot and not as cheap as in my mongering destinations but I have actually been able to save more money than if I was travelling. Actually, there is no other place Id rather be right now. Furthermore, having no access to my favorite girls in Latin America, Asia and Germany my local hookers are beginning to look better and better.Philippines it's one of the best destination for catching fresh "fish" but the cultural life it's nowhere near to what I use to have in Europe and just exactly the same thing you're enjoying back to US. This could be a nice destination for 5-6 months a year, enough time to be more than a tourist and enjoy the pleasures like an expat. After a little bit more than one year living here, I do really appreciate more the cultural life I use to have back to Europe since here it almost doesn't exist. At the end of the day it's not just the endless pussy that makes us happy and be pleased in life!
This is very true. I've often said that Asia has basically no societal constraints. A white guy with a few bucks can and often does what ever he wants without restraint. This leads to his personality to become exaggerated when away from home:
The mildly annoying become total A-holes.
There was a comic put out here in Japan years ago called "Charisma Man" where the hero was a Fast Food fry cook from Canada (white guy) and flew over to Japan to become an English teacher (considered to be the low end of expat jobs here) and once he stepped off the plane he was immediately transformed into "Charisma Man" with his appearance changing to that of a real smooth lady's man always on the prowl for pretty Japanese women who would be way out of his league back in his home of Canada. His arch nemesis' were Western women who saw through the charade he was putting on. Look it up pretty funny but goes along to what you were saying not just for the PI but pretty much anywhere in Asia it seems.
SinfullyKorean
01-12-21, 20:35
I'm not a recluse but an average person. Not yet an A-hole or at least not that anyone has called me that. Ok, a few girls I've thrown out for real bitches or scammers have called me that, so not sure if those count.
I like a few beers but not everyday, so guess I'm not yet an alcoholic.
I've spent time in Manila in the past but don't go anymore as I find the city to be just too chaotic and dirty. Traffic is shit along with most of the city.
After 3 weeks, its difficult to find something to do other than find ladies. So the balanced life in Manila is somewhat problematic for me.
So now, I spend most of my time in AC instead. Mostly the same as Manila as AC is also a shit hole in general.
Also ran out of things to do after 2-3 weeks other than finding ladies. So trying to find a balance life in AC is problematic too, but at least its at more affordable prices compare to Manila.Ah, that's very good to know. I'll make staying in AC my priority when I visit.
Ah, that's very good to know. I'll make staying in AC my priority when I visit.If you never been to Philippines, then Manila is far better than AC. Still more things to see and do as its a very big city. AC can't compare as its just a shithole with almost NOTHING to do. One or 2 big malls and that's it. Both places have plenty of girls so need to base decision on that. But for someone who has spent enough time in both places, its just a matter of choosing the cheaper one. If both places were similar in prices, I would never choose AC as Manila definitely has much more variety for everything.
Just my take.
A cocky attitude like that, combined with white privilege won't get you far in the Philippines. It will only attract attention and danger. You could learn a lot from the mistakes made by Messrs Shobbrook, Birthisel and Scully who are now enjoying an extended free vacation at Bilibid. Hahaha.Back when we had bases in the PI when ships pulled in they would warn the crew to be very careful on being the "Ugly American" and bull dozing your way through issues. At the time, the common practice was for a Pinoy to claim "You assaulted me" or some type of harassment that resulted in you being reported to Shore Patrol (SP) and then they would default to the natives and take you back to the base, and if you were on a ship place you in what was called "Op Hold" until your case was adjudicated. Normally that meant you were going to pay some type of fine to the aggrieved and let go. Seen it happen a few times, guys get hemmed up with a girl and all of a sudden her brother or cousin comes and demands satisfaction. I suspect that doesn't much apply to the general mongerer these days since we have no bases there and for the civilian population the Embassy doesn't have the dedicated resources to deal with some of the petty arguments between adults unlike the military who always had enough people to ruin the fun, but these days if you mess up too bad down there it's straight to jail for you now.
Back when we had bases in the PI when ships pulled in they would warn the crew to be very careful on being the "Ugly American" and bull dozing your way through issues. At the time, the common practice was for a Pinoy to claim "You assaulted me" or some type of harassment that resulted in you being reported to Shore Patrol (SP) and then they would default to the natives and take you back to the base, and if you were on a ship place you in what was called "Op Hold" until your case was adjudicated. Normally that meant you were going to pay some type of fine to the aggrieved and let go. Seen it happen a few times, guys get hemmed up with a girl and all of a sudden her brother or cousin comes and demands satisfaction. I suspect that doesn't much apply to the general mongerer these days since we have no bases there and for the civilian population the Embassy doesn't have the dedicated resources to deal with some of the petty arguments between adults unlike the military who always had enough people to ruin the fun, but these days if you mess up too bad down there it's straight to jail for you now.The bad news is the popo and local barangay capitan are bribe able.
The good news is the popo and local barangay capitan are bribe able.
Generally a "resolution fee" can be arrived at for cooler heads.
The bad news is the popo and local barangay capitan are bribe able.
The good news is the popo and local barangay capitan are bribe able.
Generally a "resolution fee" can be arrived at for cooler heads.Yep!!
Walking back to my condo one night. Drunk off my ass and having a smoke (have since quit smoking).
Makati policeman walks up and informs me that smoking in the street is a 1,000 peso fine. Gave me 2 options.
1) Allow him to confiscate my passport to ensure I would show up at the courthouse to answer for the smoking in the street.
2) Pay the 1,000 peso "fine" on the spot - "but is no receipt ok?
A buddy walks into a bar for the first time. About 3 islands and 500 miles from home. He's never been there before. Orders a beer. Orders another beer and is feeling hungry. Walks into the attached restaurant next door. Pays for a steak. He's still thirsty. "Can you deliver the steak nextdoor?" "Sure we do it all the time. " Back to beers in the bar. The steak is taking a while. The steak is taking too long. His phone rings. It's his wife back home. "Hey, go next door and collect your steak, they couldn't find you. Don't drink too much. ".
True story. How's that privacy going?.Not as far fetched or uncommon in the days before covid. Social media just enhances the ability of nosey people and acquaintances.
Back when we had bases in the PI when ships pulled in they would warn the crew to be very careful on being the "Ugly American" and bull dozing your way through issues. At the time, the common practice was for a Pinoy to claim "You assaulted me" or some type of harassment that resulted in you being reported to Shore Patrol (SP) and then they would default to the natives and take you back to the base, and if you were on a ship place you in what was called "Op Hold" until your case was adjudicated. Normally that meant you were going to pay some type of fine to the aggrieved and let go. Seen it happen a few times, guys get hemmed up with a girl and all of a sudden her brother or cousin comes and demands satisfaction. I suspect that doesn't much apply to the general mongerer these days since we have no bases there and for the civilian population the Embassy doesn't have the dedicated resources to deal with some of the petty arguments between adults unlike the military who always had enough people to ruin the fun, but these days if you mess up too bad down there it's straight to jail for you now.There's no more bases in PI, but the overall shit still happens (but maybe not as frequently now).
Although the following didn't happen in Manila, the story is still relevant. I know a punter friend of mine was set up in Angeles. This happen about 4 years ago.
Girl approached him on the street and ask him if he wants company. He asked her for her age and she said 21. He was always the cautious type so even though she looked over 21, he wanted to check her ID. Official ID gave proof of age at 21.
Back to rented apt they went. He didn't even have time to take off his shirt while she sat on the chair taking off her shoes when police came knocking on the door.
Came in and said he was under arrest for having underage girl with him in the apt. He said he didn't do anything but that didn't matter as having an underage girl with a lone man without the girls guardian present was already a serious charge. He said she had ID, but cops took one quick look and said its fake.
Cops said he will be taken to police station and booked. He will spend time in jail until he gets a date with a judge to set bail,(which could take months or years), he will rot in jail until then. He will also have to pay for a lawyer.
Then cop told pulled girl aside and called the girls family. Came back and said her family will forget the matter if he gave the girl 50,000 p. He refused and they handcuffed him and took him to a car driving him to police station along with the girl. When the were outside the station, cop said last chance as once they write the official arrest report there is nothing they can do to "help" him stay out of jail as underage crime is one of the most serious offenses in PI.
He knew he couldn't win. Trying to prove his innocence still meant locked up in shithole jail for months to years. He told them he will pay the "girls family" to forget the matter. But since he hesitated and he was already out the police station, the girl then raised it to 75,000 p. He had no choice but to pay the blackmail money.
Scam by crooked cops setting up foreigner.
For those planning a PI trip, Google dacera vs gregorio facebook. I was not the one who met Dacera. There is a cautionary tail there.From other thread. I am not the sharpest but I have heard others relate stories where they did not realize the danger they were in and that there was a shake down. Knock on wood, I survived my encounters.
Mr Enternational
01-14-21, 10:07
At the time, the common practice was for a Pinoy to claim "You assaulted me" or some type of harassment that resulted in you being reported to Shore Patrol (SP) and then they would default to the natives and take you back to the base, and if you were on a ship place you in what was called "Op Hold" until your case was adjudicated. Normally that meant you were going to pay some type of fine to the aggrieved and let go.Still happens in Thailand. A couple of years ago a buddy of mine was called (retired military, speaks Thai, has lived there 35 years) in the middle of the night to come mediate between a high ranking Thai military guy and a couple of low ranking US Marines. One Marine had met the guy's daughter online and they formed a relationship. And she hooked his buddy up with her friend. Just so happened the girls were 16. They ended up settling for $75,000, which I guess the military paid and will recoup it from the dudes.
But since he hesitated and he was already out the police station, the girl then raised it to 75,000 p. He had no choice but to pay the blackmail money.
Scam by crooked cops setting up foreigner.It's standard practice to settle early and with the lowest rungs on the ladder. As your friends found out, dealing with the matter back at the station or with superiors NEVER works in the accused favour. A 50% markup was very fortunate. I've heard of cases where the "fine" has multiplied many times.
Enjoy. G.
Lost Refugee
01-14-21, 15:19
Yep!!
Walking back to my condo one night. Drunk off my ass and having a smoke (have since quit smoking).
Makati policeman walks up and informs me that smoking in the street is a 1,000 peso fine. Gave me 2 options.
1) Allow him to confiscate my passport to ensure I would show up at the courthouse to answer for the smoking in the street.
2) Pay the 1,000 peso "fine" on the spot - "but is no receipt ok?When I came the first time in the Philippines I had the same thing. After less than 2 hours on the ground, me and my buddy went straight to 7/11 to buy cigarettes and beer. Had no idea that Makati it's non smoking place in the streets! The policeman saw us smoking, he said the fine is 3 k per head and to bring our passports to take our names. After a few minutes of talking he says 1 k the fine per head with no receipt. My first bribe in the country!
Still happens in Thailand. A couple of years ago a buddy of mine was called (retired military, speaks Thai, has lived there 35 years) in the middle of the night to come mediate between a high ranking Thai military guy and a couple of low ranking US Marines. One Marine had met the guy's daughter online and they formed a relationship. And she hooked his buddy up with her friend. Just so happened the girls were 16. They ended up settling for $75,000, which I guess the military paid and will recoup it from the dudes.Yeah what they will do is pay the fine, and then you owe a debt to the US Treasury. So whenever you expect to get a tax refund or anything from Uncle Sam they will take their cut first. Same thing here in Japan especially if you drive and fall under military jurisdiction. You have to buy an extra liability insurance to pay the "Gomen Nasi (I'm sorry)" to the victim. I once had a minor fender bender with a local national, police came and dude said he was ok, but then complained of shoulder and back pain. So as he was getting ready to be carted off to hospital he slung his backpack over his shoulder and the JN cop told him to take it down while I was still there (I knew enough to figure that out). Long story short, I had to go to police station fill out miles of paperwork get asked how much money I made and dude walked off with the equivalent of $20 K in insurance payouts. The prevailing sentiment by some who live in areas among a lot of military types, better to have auto accidents with them, they pay out more.
My first bribe in the country!Good thing this is purely hypothetical as paying a bribe to a government official is against both Philippine and US law. .
Had a walk down Burgos today as it wasn't too far out of way I was going.
Kojax has been refurbished by the looks of it and called "LIPS". It looked as though they've spent a decent amount on it so hopefully reopening of area in full isn't too far away. Realise this could be a long way off, but people investing in area, even as normal bars, can only be a good thing. Someone was giving food away from back of an SUV today, 99% of people on the street were there, the rest were asleep.
Tickles has also been refurbished, again seems as though some money has been spent. This is purely conjecture on my part, but there is no name above the door, just Pride flags so potentially this is new home for Mixed Nuts. Mixed Nuts location is now what appears to be a Shisha Bar.
Tequileria has been open quite a while now, it appears to have taken some of lettable space from Shampoo. The door for Shampoo was open, looked as though some works have taken place inside.
Locamotive
03-01-21, 20:15
Had a walk down Burgos today as it wasn't too far out of way I was going.
Kojax has been refurbished by the looks of it and called "LIPS". It looked as though they've spent a decent amount on it so hopefully reopening of area in full isn't too far away. Realise this could be a long way off, but people investing in area, even as normal bars, can only be a good thing. Someone was giving food away from back of an SUV today, 99% of people on the street were there, the rest were asleep.
Tickles has also been refurbished, again seems as though some money has been spent. This is purely conjecture on my part, but there is no name above the door, just Pride flags so potentially this is new home for Mixed Nuts. Mixed Nuts location is now what appears to be a Shisha Bar.
Tequileria has been open quite a while now, it appears to have taken some of lettable space from Shampoo. The door for Shampoo was open, looked as though some works have taken place inside.This could be promising news. Bar owners probably have connections as to when travel will open so they are getting ready. Doubtful they would invest if tourist were years down the road.
JohnReter335
03-02-21, 00:48
Good thing this is purely hypothetical as paying a bribe to a government official is against both Philippine and US law..Yeah right.
Good thing this is purely hypothetical as paying a bribe to a government official is against both Philippine and US law..Someone forgot to tell Trump.
Someone forgot to tell Trump.Someone forgot to tell the Philippinos. 😁.
Someone forgot to tell the Philippinos. 😁.I think everyone is getting this all wrong.
It is not a "bribe".
I call it either an insurance or a fee.
Insurance because we pay it as a preventive measure to prevent negative outcome.
Or a fee because its a price of doing business. No different than paying our own govt fees and fines to get somethings done or staying out of trouble.
Of course, that only means I hate paying insurance or fees / fines myself.
Just my take on this as bribes are illegal and Those paying a bribe also means they have committed a crime and I know we don't commit crimes as we are all honest mongers.
Wait, isn't honest mongers a contradiction?
Haha, cheers all.
Pussycat123
03-04-21, 08:50
There's no more bases in PI, but the overall shit still happens (but maybe not as frequently now).
Although the following didn't happen in Manila, the story is still relevant. I know a punter friend of mine was set up in Angeles. This happen about 4 years ago.
Girl approached him on the street and ask him if he wants company. He asked her for her age and she said 21. He was always the cautious type so even though she looked over 21, he wanted to check her ID. Official ID gave proof of age at 21.
Back to rented apt they went. He didn't even have time to take off his shirt while she sat on the chair taking off her shoes when police came knocking on the door.
Came in and said he was under arrest for having underage girl with him in the apt. He said he didn't do anything but that didn't matter as having an underage girl with a lone man without the girls guardian present was already a serious charge. He said she had ID, but cops took one quick look and said its fake.
Cops said he will be taken to police station and booked. He will spend time in jail until he gets a date with a judge to set bail,(which could take months or years), he will rot in jail until then. He will also have to pay for a lawyer..Although this may be true, I've been to AC 7 times and have never had this happen to me or to others around me. If you are worried, get girls in the bars vs streetwalkers as the girls will be over 18, or just don't go with girls who look really young. A lot of hotels have a policy of checking girls ID anyway and they would see if its fake, and although this seems like a pain it might just save your ass. The hotels don't want trouble in their hotel basically.
Although this may be true, I've been to AC 7 times and have never had this happen to me or to others around me. If you are worried, get girls in the bars vs streetwalkers as the girls will be over 18, or just don't go with girls who look really young. A lot of hotels have a policy of checking girls ID anyway and they would see if its fake, and although this seems like a pain it might just save your ass. The hotels don't want trouble in their hotel basically.While there are a million stories, it's exceedingly rare for the truly blameless to be involved in an elaborate sting. There is always a backstory. Those that are abusive, idiots or fall out with business partners do however have a high propensity for arrests and drug busts.
The solution is simple: don't do anything stupid and fly below the radar.
Enjoy. G.
Although this may be true, I've been to AC 7 times and have never had this happen to me or to others around me. If you are worried, get girls in the bars vs streetwalkers as the girls will be over 18, or just don't go with girls who look really young. A lot of hotels have a policy of checking girls ID anyway and they would see if its fake, and although this seems like a pain it might just save your ass. The hotels don't want trouble in their hotel basically.Although these are rare incidents, they do happen and just don't know who it can happen to. Like my post said, my friend did check ID and also no way in hell she was underage or even looked liked a young girl. And also, he was living in a rental and not hotel.
If someone wanted to set up a monger then its sometimes difficult to avoid it. Yes, getting a girl from a bar lowers the chances but its still not zero. Remembering how some underage girls were still caught in the past working at bars with somewhat professional or altered IDs that said they were over 18. Get caught with one of those in your room and its still up shits creek for the monger having taken all the precautions. Just another thing us mongers have to deal with that no normal person has to. It goes with our lifestyle.
Cheers.
Although these are rare incidents, they do happen and just don't know who it can happen to. Like my post said, my friend did check ID and also no way in hell she was underage or even looked liked a young girl. And also, he was living in a rental and not hotel.
If someone wanted to set up a monger then its sometimes difficult to avoid it. Yes, getting a girl from a bar lowers the chances but its still not zero. Remembering how some underage girls were still caught in the past working at bars with somewhat professional or altered IDs that said they were over 18. Get caught with one of those in your room and its still up shits creek for the monger having taken all the precautions. Just another thing us mongers have to deal with that no normal person has to. It goes with our lifestyle.
Cheers.This is why I always stay in a nice hotel with security. Yes, I have taken street girls. Security and front desk always check I. The and ask few questions in Tagalog. I heard eleven after all this people got into trouble. But generally those are solved right there with hotel negotiations.
This is why I always stay in a nice hotel with security. Yes, I have taken street girls. Security and front desk always check I. The and ask few questions in Tagalog. I heard eleven after all this people got into trouble. But generally those are solved right there with hotel negotiations.Have security ever refused entry or warned you off a girl?
Have security ever refused entry or warned you off a girl?Knock on wood!
Never had any sort of problems with any girl anywhere in the world about age issues or money issues. Yes, I have had runners with one excuse or another.
Classic one which beats others is a time in Phnom Penh. Barfined from a bar. Very clingy and girlfriendly for a few hours. Even went dancing.
She even pretended to sleep after the deed. Suddenly got up after an hour and went to the rest room. Came back with a Oscar winning performance feigning stomach ache. I let her go with some extra money for medicine. I got so worried next evening and went back to the same bar. She was there totally healthy.
Backtrack little. Before I barfined this girl who could not speak good English there was a girl who I wanted to barfine who spoke English. She said she on the period and could not go with or she did not like me. This girl asked the girl I barfined if she wanted to go with me.
So the next night I told the English speaking girl about what happened. She said the girl came back to the bar after leaving me and she was not sick at all.
Knock on wood!
Never had any sort of problems with any girl anywhere in the world about age issues or money issues. Yes, I have had runners with one excuse or another.
Classic one which beats others is a time in Phnom Penh. Barfined from a bar. Very clingy and girlfriendly for a few hours. Even went dancing.
She even pretended to sleep after the deed. Suddenly got up after an hour and went to the rest room. Came back with a Oscar winning performance feigning stomach ache. I let her go with some extra money for medicine. I got so worried next evening and went back to the same bar. She was there totally healthy.
Backtrack little. Before I barfined this girl who could not speak good English there was a girl who I wanted to barfine who spoke English. She said she on the period and could not go with or she did not like me. This girl asked the girl I barfined if she wanted to go with me.
So the next night I told the English speaking girl about what happened. She said the girl came back to the bar after leaving me and she was not sick at all.No need to go so far to find these type of girls.
I had one exactly as you described with the same stomach problems. This was suppose to be LT and after one bang, she fell asleep and woke up 15 min later with extreme stomach pains. Totally convincing even with sweat from her face!!
Let her go to get better as she was useless to me for the rest of the night.
Went back to same bar next evening and another girl came to me and told me the girl I BF said I was unfair to her so she left me to return bar to be taken out on another BF.
This was in Angeles.
Knock on wood!
Never had any sort of problems with any girl anywhere in the world about age issues or money issues. Yes, I have had runners with one excuse or another. I've had my share of runners too. Interestingly all barfines. Never online hookups. Being fully prepaid ala AC also skews the bell curve considerably.
I too have never had any age or extortion related issues. I had my wallet emptied once in Jakarta after I fell asleep, my ipad stolen in MNL, and a chick threaten to call the cops when I refused to pay her for undelivered services. The first two were my fault anyway for not following the most basic of security precautions and the third ended when she realised what my work was and my contacts were many levels higher than hers.
Not too bad for several decades of fun in some pretty interesting places 😉.
fall out with business partners do however have a high propensity for arrests and drug busts.
.I would like my former business partners to experience some of the PNP hospitality.
I've had my share of runners too. Interestingly all barfines. Never online hookups. Being fully prepaid ala AC also skews the bell curve considerably.
I too have never had any age or extortion related issues. I had my wallet emptied once in Jakarta after I fell asleep, my ipad stolen in MNL, and a chick threaten to call the cops when I refused to pay her for undelivered services. The first two were my fault anyway for not following the most basic of security precautions and the third ended when she realised what my work was and my contacts were many levels higher than hers.
Not too bad for several decades of fun in some pretty interesting places 😉.There are certain rules to follow to avoid nasty surprises.
1. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the girl in spite of sweet outward appearance and demeanor.
2. Never take for granted you have the upper hand thinking it is basically a business transaction where you are the one paying.
3. Always lock up all valuables in the safe. Only take some local money for expenses. Even then one Sweet Chinese girl who stayed with me 3 fun filled days messed up safe deposit box trying to open it by meddling to find the combination when I went to buy food. And another time Philippine girl took 1000 pesos from my pocket when I took shower.
4. As above do not trust anybody in your room.
5. Money wise I am beyond counting pennies. I am more than generous giving more than agreed amount. I know I get flamed for this but it is my money. Only time I stick to agreed amount is if the service is bad or the girl is nasty. Having said this a Colombian girl would not accept more than the agreed amount. There are couple of times when I failed to perform because of jet lag, drunk, did not feel attracted etc I still paid them the money.
6. Never had anybody threaten to call police. Maybe I am lucky.
7. A Dominican girl stole my cheap travel phone. That is my fault because I did not check before the security allowed her to leave.
Sometimes in spite of being careful things happen. That is life and blame it on our mongering lifestyle risks.
Sometimes in spite of being careful things happen. That is life and blame it on our mongering lifestyle risks.Yup, have to agree as my post below basically said the same thing that it comes with being a monger. Only way to avoid all these precautions and drama is to give up mongering and meeting strange and unknown girls. But then, which one of us on this forum wants something as boring as that.
Cheers.
Yup, have to agree as my post below basically said the same thing that it comes with being a monger. Only way to avoid all these precautions and drama is to give up mongering and meeting strange and unknown girls. But then, which one of us on this forum wants something as boring as that.
Cheers.Around 2014 I was in Dubai. At that time Who is here app was famous. I checked out many girls and found a stunning one. White and amazing body. So, we agreed to meet at her hotel room. I went there and she opened the door, the light was low. I did a mistake and got in. Then I found out that she is black around 6/10. She locked the doors. I told her that this is a trap and I will never pay. She said you have too, you already in my room. I was so angry that I grabbed her hair and forcefully asked her to open. Then 2 girls came out of the toilet and started hitting me. One of them wanted to call the receptionist. I told them it is not good for me or them to call anybody. The exact amount was already in one of my pockets and I gave it to her and asked her to open the door. She said since I paid, I should receive the service. So I said why not. And really it was great session.
Yup, have to agree as my post below basically said the same thing that it comes with being a monger. Only way to avoid all these precautions and drama is to give up mongering and meeting strange and unknown girls. But then, which one of us on this forum wants something as boring as that.
Cheers.Years ago when Obama went to Columbia and his Secret Service team members got into trouble with some local bar workers by trying to be "big shots" and not paying and basically going with the "do you know who I am and what I do" I mentioned to someone those guys were dangerous and played it all wrong. Some may not agree with my approach, but my philosophy is if I'm doing wrong, then even when I'm right I take the loss. Better to pay for substandard service and get them out of your room than to be demanding, obstinate and wind up being on the front page of the news with pictures of you and your wife trying to explain it was a "mistake. " Eat the costs and move on. There's always another train coming, even if you have to wait until the next day when they start running again.
Years ago when Obama went to Columbia and his Secret Service team members got into trouble with some local bar workers by trying to be "big shots" and not paying and basically going with the "do you know who I am and what I do" I mentioned to someone those guys were dangerous and played it all wrong. Some may not agree with my approach, but my philosophy is if I'm doing wrong, then even when I'm right I take the loss. Better to pay for substandard service and get them out of your room than to be demanding, obstinate and wind up being on the front page of the news with pictures of you and your wife trying to explain it was a "mistake. " Eat the costs and move on. There's always another train coming, even if you have to wait until the next day when they start running again.Agree 100%. I chalk things like mini scams, runners, etc as the cost of doing business. I try to learn the lesson if there is one to learn and move on. If the overall cost of the monger trip is a couple of hundred dollars more, so be it. I want to be able to walk around the streets of any Phil city and not have to look over my shoulder or ever fear that some lunatic pinoys (brothers, uncles, friends of the girl) will stab me in the back. Because that's how pinoys operate. Stab you in the back 50 times.
I just remembered a short story, to never underestimate the street savvy / thievery of these girls.
Once in Manila, near Malate (my hotel was near Timog so too far for a quicky), I took a girl to SOGO (the smell of bleach! Yikes) for a short time. I think I picked her up at Harrison Plaza. I never leave my clothes unattended when a girl is in my room. The SOGO rooms are super small. After the deed, I got up to wash up. Girl remained on the bed. As I turned the corner (out of sight of my pants / wallet in pocket), I remembered my cardinal rule. So I turned back and the girl was jumping down to rifle through my pockets. I challenged her and started getting mad but when SHE threatened to call security (I remembered the best way out of this is to just be calm and let it go. Obviously she never got an extra peso over what was agreed upon.
Another time in Cuba, my buddy took a girl back from the dance club. He was hammered and fell asleep after the deed. Stupidest thing to do, ever. The girl left who knows when. In Cuba, back then anyways, the safes are just the card type. The next day at breakfast, he told me his $700 from the safe was gone and I had to pay for whatever else he needed for the rest of the trip. Some guys are so dumb. Don't be one!
She said since I paid, I should receive the service. So I said why not. And really it was great session.Got to hand this one to you as I don't know if I could even get a hardon after all that shit. Main thing being I would have absolutely NO trust in the girl or her roommates at that point. My thoughts would've been to get the hell out ASAP as she could be setting me up for something else (like secretly recording everything), like having you do shit and having evidence saying you assaulted her etc. Don't even know if she recorded you pulling her hair- could already claim abuse with that. Then demand more money to keep things quiet. Remember that once she reports it, then the police will have to investigate it as a crime and could hold you in jail for awhile even if you are innocent. Also may require you to waste more money hiring a lawyer to sort shit out. She already showed her deceit and being a scammer so there's no longer any trust. I would've just said FK it, lesson learned and gotten out fast.
But lucky, things worked out best for you. But just saying it could easily have gone sour quickly.
Best to stay safe and on the side of caution.
Cheers.
I have heard rumors that Havana Cafe in Greenbelt 3 has closed its doors for good. Is this true? I had many great nights out there and lots of fun with the girls waiting for their temporary boyfriends. Would be sad if after Spicy Fingers also Havana Cafe would be gone.
StudBucket
04-04-21, 05:59
I have heard rumors that Havana Cafe in Greenbelt 3 has closed its doors for good. Is this true? I had many great nights out there and lots of fun with the girls waiting for their temporary boyfriends. Would be sad if after Spicy Fingers also Havana Cafe would be gone.This may be a rumor Lakeside. I just opened the Google Map page and its says open until 2 am. Yes, that would be sad if it did close. I had many good memories there on my first trips to the Philippines and remember the nights when it was good there. It seemed to have gone downhill about 3 years ago and subsequently kept getting worse (with respect to the talent).
Naked Gunz
04-04-21, 12:50
Girl approached him on the street and ask him if he wants company. He asked her for her age and she said 21. Scam by crooked cops setting up foreigner.Yeah my radar goes up when any chic approaches, even in a monger country, in the street. Its just not in the female DNA. They make themselves be quite available, but never walk up on me. My buddy had one in HISO in AC lie to him. She was not 22, and only told him months later. She was half white, and very tall. Her said her white side was Irish and drank him under the table!
This may be a rumor Lakeside. I just opened the Google Map page and its says open until 2 am. Yes, that would be sad if it did close. I had many good memories there on my first trips to the Philippines and remember the nights when it was good there. It seemed to have gone downhill about 3 years ago and subsequently kept getting worse (with respect to the talent).I wouldn't put too much faith in that, Manila is in lockdown with a curfew from 6 pm until 5 am presently. Malls are open but only those with supermarkets or medical facilities, all other stores are closed. Restaurants are open but only for takeout. Even religious gatherings have been banned which hasn't been great for the Easter period for those celebrating. This was meant to end today but I believe it has been extended for 'at least' one more week.
I do not know if Havana is permanently closed. I have not been into Greenbelt 3 for a few months, all of that area is being redeveloped (it was due to be finished end of last year but is now in terminal COVID delay). Havana and one more bar stayed open for a good while longer than the rest of the 'restaurants' at the ground floor in the courtyard area. When I last was there they were both gone, as were multiple restaurants on upper levels. Pretty much a Ghost Town until you get into area Sticky's used to be. They may reopen in future, who knows what's going to happen in current retail market though?
StudBucket
04-04-21, 20:20
I wouldn't put too much faith in that, Manila is in lockdown with a curfew from 6 pm until 5 am presently. Malls are open but only those with supermarkets or medical facilities, all other stores are closed. Restaurants are open but only for takeout. Even religious gatherings have been banned which hasn't been great for the Easter period for those celebrating. This was meant to end today but I believe it has been extended for 'at least' one more week.
I do not know if Havana is permanently closed. I have not been into Greenbelt 3 for a few months, all of that area is being redeveloped (it was due to be finished end of last year but is now in terminal COVID delay). Havana and one more bar stayed open for a good while longer than the rest of the 'restaurants' at the ground floor in the courtyard area. When I last was there they were both gone, as were multiple restaurants on upper levels. Pretty much a Ghost Town until you get into area Sticky's used to be. They may reopen in future, who knows what's going to happen in current retail market though?Wow Muttley, that is unbelievable some of the restaurants closed and its a Ghost Town (Greenbelt 3) ! If anything was shielded from the Pandemic, I thought it would be here. So said what this virus has done to so many people's lives and incomes globally.
Yeah my radar goes up when any chic approaches, even in a monger country, in the street. Its just not in the female DNA....Women approach men all the time. When a woman approaches me I know it is because she wants something from me and if it is sex I know she wants to be paid for it. If it is not for sex then it is because she is selling something or peddling religion or needs help with something. In a mongering country I take a good look at her to ensure that she's over age; when in doubt, don't.
WestCoast1
05-05-21, 23:46
I do not know if Havana is permanently closed. I have not been into Greenbelt 3 for a few months, all of that area is being redeveloped (it was due to be finished end of last year but is now in terminal COVID delay). Havana and one more bar stayed open for a good while longer than the rest of the 'restaurants' at the ground floor in the courtyard area.
Wow Muttley, that is unbelievable some of the restaurants closed and its a Ghost Town (Greenbelt 3) ! If anything was shielded from the Pandemic, I thought it would be here. More Sandles On the Ground. Greenbelt. Almost everything is closed. A few of the high-end resto's at the G3 entrance area are open for outdoor seating. Other than that, its another ghosted area on all floors. The famed Starbucks / HC area is closed. I'd like to say for remodeling, but not sure. In that outside courtyard area there is a small Milktea place and some chairs to sit. You place an order and pay for it, a girl walkie-talkie's your order to somewhere, and 10 minutes later another gal drops your 'takeout' order with you and then she disappears. I saw only 1 outdoor resto open on the second floor. However the mall is open, complete with security guards. Street traffic is very light on Makati Avenue between Greenbelt and Glorietta.
WestCoast1
05-09-21, 00:11
Few more shots of Ayala / G3.
Albert9989
05-09-21, 00:35
Few more shots of Ayala / G3.Thanks but it looks like desperation!
WestCoast1
05-09-21, 09:26
Thanks but it looks like desperation!Yes, exactly. Its pretty much the opposite of what Crazy Ami is reporting in the Subic / AC threads, of things operating more normally (or starting to) in those locations. The NCR remains somewhat off-limits to its people, due to Covid restrictions. Notice the pic of the mostly non-existent traffic just outside on Makati Ave on the same weekday. Just reporting it as a fly-on-the-wall at this point.
Albert9989
05-09-21, 13:23
Yes, exactly. Its pretty much the opposite of what Crazy Ami is reporting in the Subic / AC threads, of things operating more normally (or starting to) in those locations. The NCR remains somewhat off-limits to its people, due to Covid restrictions. Notice the pic of the mostly non-existent traffic just outside on Makati Ave on the same weekday. Just reporting it as a fly-on-the-wall at this point.Looks like an image from a post apocalyptic movie.
Difficult to imagine that we could have seen that, and for so long period.
I was there end of Jan. 2020, up to mid Feb. 2020, covid was starting in China, some rules were already in place in Phil, very light.
Thanks anyway for image you sent. Some nice ones, some more worrying like here.
Yes, exactly. Its pretty much the opposite of what Crazy Ami is reporting in the Subic / AC threads, of things operating more normally (or starting to) in those locations. The NCR remains somewhat off-limits to its people, due to Covid restrictions. Notice the pic of the mostly non-existent traffic just outside on Makati Ave on the same weekday. Just reporting it as a fly-on-the-wall at this point.Yes, it's crazy how fast everything reopened on Walking Street this week in AC after they lifted the restrictions of last month. Subic, while still open, is now back to "sleeping" status, because all the AC locals don't have to travel for their girls anymore haha. My friends tell me it was half-dead, even over the weekend.
My guess is that things will be open for another few weeks before infections start to rise in Pampanga again and they put the liquor / bar ban back in place. No idea when vaccinations will start here; the mayor's office has put up a survey for people to register online and have said they're doing a house to house barangay survey (they even said foreign residents would be included in the vaccinations), but in 3 weeks they have yet to reach Balibago, Malabanias, or Anunas (Walking Street, Perimeter, and Koreatown respectively).
My advice would be come on up north and enjoy for a couple of days while you can, if you're in the NCR; there're no roadblocks or checkpoints on the NLEX; I met a Filipino group from Paranaque staying at the Wild Orchid in Subic a couple of weeks ago.
I have to go down to QC next week for a day; not looking forward to it.
More Sandles On the Ground. Greenbelt. Almost everything is closed. A few of the high-end resto's at the G3 entrance area are open for outdoor seating. Other than that, its another ghosted area on all floors. The famed Starbucks / HC area is closed. I'd like to say for remodeling, but not sure. In that outside courtyard area there is a small Milktea place and some chairs to sit. You place an order and pay for it, a girl walkie-talkie's your order to somewhere, and 10 minutes later another gal drops your 'takeout' order with you and then she disappears. I saw only 1 outdoor resto open on the second floor. However the mall is open, complete with security guards. Street traffic is very light on Makati Avenue between Greenbelt and Glorietta.I Have a lot of good memories over there (H. See, Spicy Fingers, Tapellas, others) and hope the shows not over for good. Spent many a night stumbling back to the New World with a cutie.
Same situation over here in Bangkok though. Went out Saturday night to one of the main party streets & could have shot a cannon off and not hit anyone.
WestCoast1
05-18-21, 01:51
Same situation over here in Bangkok though. Went out Saturday night to one of the main party streets & could have shot a cannon off and not hit anyone.Speaking of dead. See pics. Burgos street FR.
It would be difficult to think of it as more dead. See pics for proof. I mentioned to a mate that I wanted to take a Burgos walk just to see the place, he indicated the same thought. Off we went one evening. Our path: From the corner of Durban / Makati Ave, we walked up Durban to Burgos, 7 pm-ish. Everything is closed on both sides of the street. It was difficult to tell if Oxford is completely closed, as the Durban entrance / lobby shows limited lights on inside, appearing un-used or un-occupied, too dark for a functioning lobby, with no people visible from the entrance thru the doors. From Burgos street, the Oxford windows are papered-over from the inside. Looking up at the building, few if any lights on above the ground floor, it appears un-occupied. On both the Oxford corner and across Durban on the Filling Station (closed) side, were 3-5 bakla. From that Oxford corner, the only operating building (lights on with customers) is across Burgos street, the Mexican resto Cuervo Tequilaria. All bars, resto's, and hotels in both directions on Burgos to Kalayaan and Makati Ave appear closed, including Mirrors, Cubana / Belagio, Filling Station, Plan be. The hotel next to Plan be, Makati Palace? Lobby looks dead, but there were a few room lights turned on upstairs, possiby occupied by a few folks. Towards Kalayaan all the bars are closed: Shampoo, Coyote Ugly, Dimples, Go Bananas. Mini Mart was open.
Crossed Burgos St to Plan be and walked towards Makati Ave. The 7-11 was open. Cheers closed. Citadel lobby open but very dark, the guard said not accepting any new clientelle / occupants. Pasha Turkish Resto closed. At the corner of Tigris, across Tirgris from the 7-11, were half a dozen bakla. MiniMart closed. Arabian Nights closed. Bourbon is open as a resto and pool hall. Hollywood, Makati's Fave Sports Bar, and Rogues all closed. Some of the places I mentioned, such as Hollywood, are completely boarded up, all signs are gone. The entirety of Burgos from Makati Ave to Kalayaan is very dark, even with the street lights on, its literally apocalyptic looking.
At Makati / Burgos, turned right and walked along Makati Ave on the Burgos side. Restos and businesses on the opposite side of Makati Ave are still up / running. Turned right at Makati / Kalayaan, walked Kalayaan (Starbucks is open) up to Burgos. Turned left on Burgos and walked Burgos down to Gen Luna St. Ringside and Mixed Nuts* closed. All bars closed along Burgos. WowWow bar had changed hands previously (see pic), then is now completely closed. Horizon and Jool's closed. The live band place Movida (upscale, I liked it) on the corner of Burgos / Luna is padlocked; a government notice says it was closed by order for violating curfew. 7-11 across from Movida open.
Turned left onto Luna, walked up to Luna / Makati Ave. Across the street is the precovid Hot Asian Nights Bazaar (under large canopy, at the Hypermart by AVenue). The stage is covered, the place is closed.
That's it. Burgos from Makati Ave to Luna is DEAD. We took our time, making the walk around the place, stopping at several places to discuss an interesting gal one of us had found in this or that bar, or something odd we'd seen on the street at another location. In the 20-25 minutes we were walking around we were the only foreigners (except two in Cuervo); hence I have no idea why there were more than a dozen bakla in the area. More later.
* Side note. Several of us old guard are going to miss Mixed Nuts. Not the bar itself. Just we will miss being able to tell newbs to Phils to hit Mixed Nuts last on their first Burgos evening because that place has the horniest bar girls. Wink. Bad. You fellas is bad.
Soapy Smith
05-18-21, 06:12
Speaking of dead. See pics. Burgos street FR.
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That's it. Burgos from Makati Ave to Luna is DEAD. We took our time, making the walk around the place, stopping at several places to discuss an interesting gal one of us had found in this or that bar, or something odd we'd seen on the street at another location. In the 20-25 minutes we were walking around we were the only foreigners (except two in Cuervo); hence I have no idea why there were more than a dozen bakla in the area. More later.
* Side note. Several of us old guard are going to miss Mixed Nuts. Not the bar itself. Just we will miss being able to tell newbs to Phils to hit Mixed Nuts last on their first Burgos evening because that place has the horniest bar girls. Wink. Bad. You fellas is bad.You may want to save this as scrapbook material for a decade or two from now. This is what's called oral history--from a guy who lived through it. Trouble is, who will you tell this story to? Nieces and nephews? Fat chance. You and a few ISG elders may be the only potential audience. In any case, great report.
Member #4698
05-18-21, 12:39
Speaking of dead. See pics. Burgos street FR. Hi Westie,
It has been a long time. I am glad to hear you are fine and still looking for trouble. HA! Thanks for your great report. It was devastating.
I used to really like the Burgos neighborhood with it's bars, restaurants, massage girls, and overall atmosphere. Burgos Street is where I found some of my most amazing and memorable girls in bars like Bottoms, Plan be, Kojax, XOXO, Rogues, and Stardust to name a few favorite bars. What great memories! I even had a entertaining 20 minutes in Mixed Nuts one night. The Mixed Nuts girls were very friendly and inviting, if you know what I mean, but not very attractive and not really my cup of tea, LOL, although as Seinfeld once joked "there is nothing wrong with that. " https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGAyQAkXajg&t=14s.
But the only question remaining is: will Burgos ever return to life? And sadly I do not think anyone knows the answer.
The Tall Man
05-18-21, 14:23
Speaking of dead. See pics. Burgos street FR.
It would be difficult to think of it as more dead. See pics for proof. I mentioned to a mate that I wanted to take a Burgos walk just to see the place, he indicated the same thought. Off we went one evening. Our path: From the corner of Durban / Makati Ave, we walked up Durban to Burgos, 7 pm-ish. Everything is closed on both sides of the street. It was difficult to tell if Oxford is completely closed, as the Durban entrance / lobby shows limited lights on inside, appearing un-used or un-occupied, too dark for a functioning lobby, with no people visible from the entrance thru the doors. From Burgos street, the Oxford windows are papered-over from the inside. Looking up at the building, few if any lights on above the ground floor, it appears un-occupied. On both the Oxford corner and across Durban on the Filling Station (closed) side, were 3-5 bakla. From that Oxford corner, the only operating building (lights on with customers) is across Burgos street, the Mexican resto Cuervo Tequilaria. All bars, resto's, and hotels in both directions on Burgos to Kalayaan and Makati Ave appear closed, including Mirrors, Cubana / Belagio, Filling Station, Plan be. The hotel next to Plan be, Makati Palace? Lobby looks dead, but there were a few room lights turned on upstairs, possiby occupied by a few folks. Towards Kalayaan all the bars are closed: Shampoo, Coyote Ugly, Dimples, Go Bananas. Mini Mart was open.
Crossed Burgos St to Plan be and walked towards Makati Ave. The 7-11 was open. Cheers closed. Citadel lobby open but very dark, the guard said not accepting any new clientelle / occupants. Pasha Turkish Resto closed. At the corner of Tigris, across Tirgris from the 7-11, were half a dozen bakla. MiniMart closed. Arabian Nights closed. Bourbon is open as a resto and pool hall. Hollywood, Makati's Fave Sports Bar, and Rogues all closed. Some of the places I mentioned, such as Hollywood, are completely boarded up, all signs are gone. The entirety of Burgos from Makati Ave to Kalayaan is very dark, even with the street lights on, its literally apocalyptic looking..Un-fucking believable, sad as I have so many memories of my trip there 4 years ago, I stayed at the Makati Palace Hotel with my wingman right across the street.
Is it the same in AC?
I bet this has the girls hungry, I should say they must be starving.
The Tall Man.
Saddest report I have ever read WestCoast! Thanks for putting in the legwork for us. Great report.
Albert9989
05-19-21, 00:07
Speaking of dead. See pics. Burgos street FR......... bad.Thanks again, sad report, but thanks.
Durban hotel, clipper hotel, that's where I was 1 year ago. With covid already started in China.
But thanks a lot.
We must keep hope. I have good friends to meet again there.
WestCoast1
05-19-21, 10:10
SNIIP Trouble is, who will you tell this story to? Nieces and nephews? Fat chance. You and a few ISG elders may be the only potential audience. In any case, great report.One of the funny parts about living here is that you can't really tell your home fam / friends about the wild things that happen here. Brother-in-law in home country: "What do you do over there again?" Ah, I walk, drink with my mates once a week, lunch with friends, shoot hoops, bit of a womanizer. "That's what you do when you're here". Um. Hahaha. Bwahahahaha! Ahem, its different over there; hard to describe.
It has been a long time. I am glad to hear you are fine and still looking for trouble. HA! Thanks for your great report. It was devastating.It was hard for both my friend and I to see.
I even had a entertaining 20 minutes in Mixed Nuts one night. The Mixed Nuts girls were very friendly and inviting, if you know what I mean, but not very attractive and not really my cup of tea, LOL, although as Seinfeld once joked "there is nothing wrong with that. " Ah, I had an entertaining 20 minutes there. Or 60 minutes, I can't remember. Once. Or 12 times, I can't remember. . .
Saddest report I have ever read WestCoast! Here's a few more pics.
Speaking of dead. See pics. Burgos street FR.
It would be difficult to think of it as more dead. See pics for proof. I mentioned to a mate that I wanted to take a Burgos walk just to see the place, he indicated the same thought. Off we went one evening. Our path: From the corner of Durban / Makati Ave, we walked up Durban to Burgos, 7 pm-ish. Everything is closed on both sides of the street. It was difficult to tell if Oxford is completely closed, as the Durban entrance / lobby shows limited lights on inside, appearing un-used or un-occupied, too dark for a functioning lobby, with no people visible from the entrance thru the doors. From Burgos street, the Oxford windows are papered-over from the inside. Looking up at the building, few if any lights on above the ground floor, it appears un-occupied. On both the Oxford corner and across Durban on the Filling Station (closed) side, were 3-5 bakla. From that Oxford corner, the only operating building (lights on with customers) is across Burgos street, the Mexican resto Cuervo Tequilaria. All bars, resto's, and hotels in both directions on Burgos to Kalayaan and Makati Ave appear closed, including Mirrors, Cubana / Belagio, Filling Station, Plan be. The hotel next to Plan be, Makati Palace? Lobby looks dead, but there were a few room lights turned on upstairs, possiby occupied by a few folks. Towards Kalayaan all the bars are closed: Shampoo, Coyote Ugly, Dimples, Go Bananas. Mini Mart was open.
Crossed Burgos St to Plan be and walked towards Makati Ave. The 7-11 was open. Cheers closed. Citadel lobby open but very dark, the guard said not accepting any new clientelle / occupants. Pasha Turkish Resto closed. At the corner of Tigris, across Tirgris from the 7-11, were half a dozen bakla. MiniMart closed. Arabian Nights closed. Bourbon is open as a resto and pool hall. Hollywood, Makati's Fave Sports Bar, and Rogues all closed. Some of the places I mentioned, such as Hollywood, are completely boarded up, all signs are gone. The entirety of Burgos from Makati Ave to Kalayaan is very dark, even with the street lights on, its literally apocalyptic looking.
At Makati / Burgos, turned right and walked along Makati Ave on the Burgos side. Restos and businesses on the opposite side of Makati Ave are still up / running. Turned right at Makati / Kalayaan, walked Kalayaan (Starbucks is open) up to Burgos. Turned left on Burgos and walked Burgos down to Gen Luna St. Ringside and Mixed Nuts* closed. All bars closed along Burgos. WowWow bar had changed hands previously (see pic), then is now completely closed. Horizon and Jool's closed. The live band place Movida (upscale, I liked it) on the corner of Burgos / Luna is padlocked; a government notice says it was closed by order for violating curfew. 7-11 across from Movida open.
Turned left onto Luna, walked up to Luna / Makati Ave. Across the street is the precovid Hot Asian Nights Bazaar (under large canopy, at the Hypermart by AVenue). The stage is covered, the place is closed.
That's it. Burgos from Makati Ave to Luna is DEAD. We took our time, making the walk around the place, stopping at several places to discuss an interesting gal one of us had found in this or that bar, or something odd we'd seen on the street at another location. In the 20-25 minutes we were walking around we were the only foreigners (except two in Cuervo); hence I have no idea why there were more than a dozen bakla in the area. More later.
* Side note. Several of us old guard are going to miss Mixed Nuts. Not the bar itself. Just we will miss being able to tell newbs to Phils to hit Mixed Nuts last on their first Burgos evening because that place has the horniest bar girls. Wink. Bad. You fellas is bad.Thats just plain sad, but not surprising.
Those pictures in Burgos and Greenbelt do bring back a lot of good memories though.
Same story here in Thailand though.
Took a trip last weekend to Pattaya with a cutie (just to get out of Bangkok for a weekend).
Everything shut down. Very few freelancers, nothing open on walking street. No people, completely dead.
However. Still beats being back in the west.
One of the funny parts about living here is that you can't really tell your home fam / friends about the wild things that happen here. Brother-in-law in home country: "What do you do over there again?" Ah, I walk, drink with my mates once a week, lunch with friends, shoot hoops, bit of a womanizer. "That's what you do when you're here". Um. Hahaha. Bwahahahaha! Ahem, its different over there; hard to describe.Thats hilarious. I had this same conversation last week with a friend of mine over here in Bangkok. He was struggling to come up with an answer to "what do you do over there? We never did figure out how he should answer that question.
He was struggling to come up with an answer to "what do you do over there? We never did figure out how he should answer that question.Everyone knows why 60 yo guys spend all their free time in the fleshpots of Asia or South America. Scuba diving, beaches and golf cover stories provide plausible denial but no one really believes those and everyone knows what is going on whether they admit it or not.
As Westie said, the unwashed comprehending the amount of fun being had is another matter.
Enjoy. G.
Thats hilarious. I had this same conversation last week with a friend of mine over here in Bangkok. He was struggling to come up with an answer to "what do you do over there? We never did figure out how he should answer that question.Not all indulge in non stop sex with willing girls. I had met couple in Cebu in the casino. They said they have couple of regular girls girls come for enjoyment for pay. This one guy was betting big and he had a live in GF. She had come with him. One thing I noticed why he did not even buy her a decent dress considering the amount of money he is gambling with. She looked nice, friendly but with tattered clothes.
He said she is his housekeeper / sex companion. All the same he was asking my girl lots of questions trying to hook up I suppose.
WestCoast1
05-29-21, 23:56
Lithe, 20 yo bend-able spinner running amok with camera in front of my mirrors. Pre-Covid 85-pounder. Good morning, gents.
There is nothing better than pounding a pinay sub-90 pounder.
WestCoast1
06-02-21, 00:04
There is nothing better than pounding a pinay sub-90 pounder.Ya, I heard that before. One good spinner deserves another. Good mornin', baby. Coffee, toast, two scrambled eggs while I shower. We'll see what pops up after that.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/husband-arrested-murder-missing-colorado-201219088.html
Hello Community!
Since the fucking covid situation doesn't make me able to go back to PH, I am letting my GF having fun (10 months that we haven't seen now.)
I got her vacations in Manila for a few weeks and she is having fun around; all I ask though is things to be filmed so it's a shared fun, not something on my back. 100 % private stuff. We have a 3 years relation and I know how gossips etc. Could be crazy. She really wants to have experiences with girls and I wouldn't mind paying a good amount of money for a 'top' level escort who wouldn't mind lesbian + video (she could obviously hold the camera, so her face is not seen). Might be hard to find though, I realize.
But the question is: where, online, can I find the biggest list / trust-able list of hookers available in Manila? I really struggle to find that out. Foreign hookers would be awesome though.
Cheers.
But the question is: where, online, can I find the biggest list / trust-able list of hookers available in Manila? I really struggle to find that out. Foreign hookers would be awesome though.
Cheers.Smoochi can be sorted for couples or lesbian. Alternatively, juts call somewhere like Manila Courtesans and ask for what you want. It's not as rare as you think.
You could also roam Instagram or FB using keywords but that will take time.
For threesomes (I don't watch) I've always found it better for the girl to pick her partner.
Enjoy.
Lips is bar that replaced Kojax, it opened about a month ago. Ventured in there on Friday night.
It's not a Gogo as far as I could see but closest to one now on / near Burgos. Has a good pool table, there were plenty of pretty girls in there but did not get accosted by anyone looking for bar fine either, this may have been awkward time we arrived (near closing) or I may not be handsome anymore from all the additional COVID pounds. Owner / manager seemed sound enough guy when he came over for quick chat as hadn't been in before.
While it's not Kojax, welcome addition to the area. Appreciate photos shared earlier in thread are the reality of Burgos at the moment but it's not all negative. Howzat has remained open throughout, Tequileria has been bought out, refurbished and is open again. Tickles has been refurbished but not opened again yet, I don't think it will be Tickles, but someone has spent some cash there. Crazy Horse is currently being refurbished also, I don't think it'll be a Gogo again, it looks very much like it'll be a bar, very white and blue. There is either tiled stage where stage used to be or they've turned it into a kitchen. It also looks like one of the other bars has bought Ringside building as someone is using it to store bottles.
I agree with others on Smooci. You can filter out who does couples / lesbians.
I booked this chic named Erin on Smooci who you might want to try. There are two Erins, one is independent and one is from an agency.
Erin is the one with short hair. I was in a threesome with her and she's really into girls and agreed to have a video taken. Paid her extra for it. The downside is she's always fully booked and screens her clients.
Hello Community!
Since the fucking covid situation doesn't make me able to go back to PH, I am letting my GF having fun (10 months that we haven't seen now.)
I got her vacations in Manila for a few weeks and she is having fun around; all I ask though is things to be filmed so it's a shared fun, not something on my back. 100 % private stuff. We have a 3 years relation and I know how gossips etc. Could be crazy. She really wants to have experiences with girls and I wouldn't mind paying a good amount of money for a 'top' level escort who wouldn't mind lesbian + video (she could obviously hold the camera, so her face is not seen). Might be hard to find though, I realize.
But the question is: where, online, can I find the biggest list / trust-able list of hookers available in Manila? I really struggle to find that out. Foreign hookers would be awesome though.
Cheers.
Chocha Monger
07-04-21, 20:01
https://www.yahoo.com/news/husband-arrested-murder-missing-colorado-201219088.htmlA Colorado man was arrested last week on a first-degree murder charge in the death of his wife after police recorded him telling his ex-wife of the killing, according to an affidavit signed by a Colorado detective.
Dane Kallungi, 37, was arrested on June 16 in New Mexico after a warrant was issued for his arrest. He was booked into a Colorado jail on Monday, accused of first-degree murder in the killing of his 28-year-old wife, Jepsy Kallungi. The two-year investigation ended with his arrest after audio of him telling his ex-wife, Alaine Kallungi, that he'the killed Jepsy two years prior was heard by police, according to an affidavit obtained by Oxygen.com.
On March 26, Dane Kallungi, who had moved to California, allegedly told Alaine over lunch while he was back in Colorado Springs that he had killed Jepsy, the affidavit states; she then told the police what he'the said to her that day. Later, a detective recorded a phone conversation between the two where Dane Kallungi explained details of the killing further, according to the affidavit. He allegedly said that at the time of the killing, he was "just trying to literally get the words from coming out of her mouth. "
"It looked like I did some damage and I freaked out, and it looked like she was suffering," the affidavit quotes him as saying. "I put her on the floor and it was like there was still some kind of breathing going on, even though she was gone and I just, just regretted that. "
Jepsy Kallungi, 28, was first reported missing by her family on April 4, 2019. The affidavit states that on March 20,2019, Dane Kallungi allegedly attacked her after she came home after a rendezvous with a soldier in Fort Carson; she had a sexual relationship with the other man, the affidavit states.
"Information gathered during this investigation suggests that Dane Kallungi strangled Jepsy Kallungi during an act of domestic violence, causing her to be severely injured," the affidavit states.
A 911 call was made from Jepsy's phone at 10:30 pm The night she vanished but was immediately hung up, according to the document. Dane Kallungi had put the body into the trunk of his vehicle, took his son to school the following morning, then went to work, the affidavit states.
Jepsy's body was later buried in a remote area in Teller County in a "clandestine grave," police said.
Authorities executed around three dozen search warrants during the two-year investigation, they said, and conducted multiple interviews that led them to identify Kallungi as the primary suspect in the killing.
Detectives allegedly recovered "numerous items of physical evidence," during their searches, according to a press release from the department earlier this month.
Jepsy, who was originally from the Philippines, moved to the USA In 2017 after meeting Dane Kallungi online, her mother said.
Kellungi faces life in prison if he is convicted of first-degree murder in his wife's death.
WestCoast1
09-19-21, 03:29
Another recent Bur-ghost shot. Far left in the pic is / was Go Bananas, P Burgos corner Mercedes St. Then to the right Dimples, Rascals, Lokal Hostel, and the former Coyote Ugly (became Bunk 5021 Hostel, where the sign reads 5021 - P Burgos). Other than the street light the only thing with electricity is across the street at the Family Mart.
Another recent Bur-ghost shot. Far left in the pic is / was Go Bananas, P Burgos corner Mercedes St. Then to the right Dimples, Rascals, Lokal Hostel, and the former Coyote Ugly (became Bunk 5021 Hostel, where the sign reads 5021 - P Burgos). Other than the street light the only thing with electricity is across the street at the Family Mart.P Burgos looks worse every time I see an updated photo. Here's one from better times: Blush was one of my favorite haunts along with Ivory on the corner; plus, the amazing Tess, a Filipina born to please.
https://app.box.com/s/vw4ln45p35wagitbob5vdmqo0blv5tdd
WestCoast1
10-20-21, 14:37
I think things will go back to "normal" soon.Don't think I didn't see those mammmmaries, AO.
Find yourself a spinner gents, and keep her clean. Cleanliness is next to Godliness. OMG.
Soapy Smith
10-21-21, 08:35
Find yourself a spinner gents, and keep her clean. Cleanliness is next to Godliness. OMG.A man enters a bar and takes a stool alongside an apparently drunk guy with dirty clothes and foul smell. Looking straight ahead, the new guy says, "Cleanliness is next to Godliness, John Wesley."
The drunk guy doesn't reply. The new guy repeats, "I said, cleanliness is next to Godliness, John Wesley."
Still no reply. More loudly, the new guy repeats, "I said, cleanliness is next to Godliness, John Wesley."
Finally the drunk replies, "Fuck you, Tennessee Williams."
More Sandles On the Ground. Greenbelt. Almost everything is closed. A few of the high-end resto's at the G3 entrance area are open for outdoor seating. Other than that, its another ghosted area on all floors. The famed Starbucks / HC area is closed. I'd like to say for remodeling, but not sure. In that outside courtyard area there is a small Milktea place and some chairs to sit. You place an order and pay for it, a girl walkie-talkie's your order to somewhere, and 10 minutes later another gal drops your 'takeout' order with you and then she disappears. I saw only 1 outdoor resto open on the second floor. However the mall is open, complete with security guards. Street traffic is very light on Makati Avenue between Greenbelt and Glorietta.Had a walk through here today, the mall bit is now ready, though only a few high end stores are actually open. There were queues 20 people deep just to get in Louis Vuitton, and some people had full bags from other designer stores, which had equally big queues.
It would seem that Havana is indeed gone for good and replaced by a Wild Flour Cafe. Starbucks seems to be returning. The bars on the other side are also replaced by cafes equally as nondescript. Tragedy for late night drinking and sight seeing (should we ever get out of curfew).
Locamotive
10-26-21, 18:37
Some of you that are there how is Burgos? Anything going on? Last photos that were posted it looked dead. I've search YouTube as someone is always posting but as of late all the videos are too old or filmed in daytime which is useless. I may have found a roundabout way in next month, I'm still looking into it. Any recent info on the GoGo bar situation or freelancers would be appreciated.
Some of you that are there how is Burgos? Anything going on? Last photos that were posted it looked dead. I've search YouTube as someone is always posting but as of late all the videos are too old or filmed in daytime which is useless. I may have found a roundabout way in next month, I'm still looking into it. Any recent info on the GoGo bar situation or freelancers would be appreciated.Why even bother? There are scores of pretty girls on line desperate for money.
Locamotive
10-29-21, 00:44
Why even bother? There are scores of pretty girls on line desperate for money.Tried that before. That can get you a "pig in a poke". Literally. Allot are not as advertised as photos are either old or not them entirely. Maybe I just had bad luck but I need to meet and see in person, online was a waste of time. No thanks. I just wanted the status of Burgos. Maybe someone will post.
WestCoast1
10-29-21, 04:17
Tried that before. That can get you a "pig in a poke". Literally. Allot are not as advertised as photos are either old or not them entirely. Maybe I just had bad luck but I need to meet and see in person, online was a waste of time. No thanks. I just wanted the status of Burgos. Maybe someone will post.I am with Locamotive, and possibly for different reasons. I didn't have much success with Tinder and such. It would be difficult to get them to cam on another app (bakla alert). I have a solid rule: Nobody who is not a referral or gal that I met elsewhere gets to come to my place (or ST hotel) direct from the Internet. There must be a meet / greet, cup of coffee or a drink first, so I have a chance to see what she both looks like and what she is like. Final negotiations take place at that time. If I am not satisfied and very sure of the situation, then I have lost the price of a coffee.
However I have had great success during Covid on DIA. It has been very easy to meet and decide what I want to do next. Locamotive you might find that this alone might keep you in snatch for your upcoming vacation. OTOH, if you are looking for gogo bars, they are not allowed to be in operation yet (see pic from newspaper recently). I will report back if I get to the Burgos area.
Tried that before. That can get you a "pig in a poke". Literally. Allot are not as advertised as photos are either old or not them entirely. Maybe I just had bad luck but I need to meet and see in person, online was a waste of time. No thanks. I just wanted the status of Burgos. Maybe someone will post.As WestCoast1 said all the Gogo's remain closed, most of them are gone for good and have been refurbished as Restobars. The bars have been open on and off but vast majority are closed due to breaking of curfews, I'm hopeful these will open again soon but there are obviously legal issues to overcome with places that have been closed.
Still plenty of massage girls on street, however, wouldn't touch most of them even if triple wrapped.
Online is way to go at moment, but that will also be dependant on if hotel or apartment building let visitors in. We are presently banned from having visitors in our building, entrance gates are locked and guard has to buzz you in. If a girl won't do video call to verify identity move on and try next of thousand available.
Don't want to be too depressing, plenty of action is available, plenty of places to have a bit of fun, just not how you personally want to go about it.
WestCoast1
11-17-21, 13:40
My good mood continues. Tiny cutie twiglet has more energy than I do, gets the better of me and rides it like she's in the Kentucky Derby.
WestCoast1
11-27-21, 17:02
Its the holiday season gents. Hoping you can come soon as there seems to be good news on the horizon. Grab onto something small, warm, and mocha-colored. Something that can polish your knob. Something supple, and enjoy.
The last two bars on Burgos before you reach Kalayaan are now open. Last one (I think it's called Mariner's) fully fledged Gogo with plenty of pretty young girls to keep you occupied. I have never seen such a high bar fine rate on a night out, hoards of girls were leaving with groups out for a good time after a long time of such establishments not being open.
Bar next door is some sort of music place, but has dancers up on multiple stages. Hopefully these places are both legit and it's good signs for future, they were limiting entry to ensure fixed number of people allowed in bar only.
Roll on more openings please!
Random Sample
12-06-21, 02:59
COVID really has done a number on all of the regular places mongers would go to in the last two years. Heck, the Makati board used to be the busiest board on Philippines, but there have only been a handful of post the last few months. Has Makati died as a place for action?
I like massages. Love them, especially if there are extras. The few places I went to before (I did a report on 1764 last year) have closed, and some of the other places I've seen which have opened up just look scary. I'd like to head out and explore different massage places again.
Has anyone used or found a decent, clean massage place in Makati (not just the Burgos area) that gives happy endings or full service?
Normally I'd RTFF, but with the lack of posts recently, there isn't anything to find that would be current.
Let's try to repopulate the Makati forum again.
Random Sample
12-07-21, 05:14
After my post yesterday I decided to do some searching and see what I could find. I found a place called La Bella Spa near Salcedo Park.
The entrance is through the parking lot lobby access. You have to sign in and show proof of vaccination with the guard in the foyer.
I walk up the stairs to the Mezzanine level and the spa is off to the left. I walked in and was greeted by the receptionist who presented a menu:
A) 1 girl for 75 min Lingham Massage Php1200.
B) 2 girl for 75 min Lingham Massage Php1800.
C) 1 girl body scrub + massage Php?
D) 2 girl body scrub + massage Php?
I only paid attention to the first two lines. I wasn't looking for anything too fancy, just wanted to test the waters here to see how it was.
I selected a girl named "Kisses" and was led back to the room. The rooms were 6 foot high hard partitions with curtains for the doors. Some privacy, but you could hear everything going on in the whole place. I was the only customer there, but could hear the girls talking and moving around. Nothing too distracting, but noticeable.
Kisses came in, and I stripped down. She was wearing a loose fitting silky robe, which stayed on the entire time, a face mask, and gestured for me to lay down on the table.
I'll save everyone the trouble of any further description. Just the highlights:
Her massage was sub par.
Her attention to anything else was minimal.
Her technique to get me off seemed to involve sighing and signaling to get this over.
The 75 minute massage was only 35 minutes.
For the place, I do not recommend the La Bella Spa.
Girl Looks: 7/10.
Massage: 2/10.
Extras: 3/10.
Cost Php1, 200 +300 tip.
I'd like to find someplace better. If any one has recommendations, please let me know.
WestCoast1
12-10-21, 22:54
Enjoy my cam-adventurous regular. She brought 'additional' talent one night. I had the new girl in the evening, and the next morning I woke with piss-wood and took the regular, seen here (in the days before pandemic, when it was easy to get two ladies into the unit). The new girl grabbed the camera and went to work documenting the session. Apology its dark and a bit fuzzy, the new gal was no camera expert. Before the morning joy I had opened the balcony door to air out last night's sex-smell remnants.
LongLunches
12-13-21, 10:46
COVID really has done a number on all of the regular places mongers would go to in the last two years. Heck, the Makati board used to be the busiest board on Philippines, but there have only been a handful of post the last few months. Has Makati died as a place for action?
Let's try to repopulate the Makati forum again.I don't do massage places but Makati is like fishing with dynamite. SOooo many girls online looking for fun, WeChat, tinder pina etc. Lots of non bar girls, ie girls with jobs just after a little fun. Makati is a good place to be to sit out the lockdown!
DzikaBomba
12-13-21, 14:55
I don't do massage places but Makati is like fishing with dynamite. SOooo many girls online looking for fun, WeChat, tinder pina etc. Lots of non bar girls, ie girls with jobs just after a little fun. Makati is a good place to be to sit out the lockdown!It seems you haven't used WeChat for a while. The times with WeChat are over. Since the CCP started the Account confirmation thing for registering there are almost only Chinese there and you will not find hookers there anymore like in the old days!
Someone complained Makati thread is dead. Trying to help.
Manila / Makati is almost 100% open now. Bars on Burgos are the slowest to open. I would estimate 40-50% of the bars have gone out of business. Tickles, which I liked very much, is gone. Ringside and all the ones between G String and Bourbon are demolished (Papillon etc).
Bourbon is completely renovated into a nice resto / bar to survive. A couple girl bars are open cautiously. Lipps is a new bar replacing the bar in the alley behind Bourbon (Russian sounding name formerly, I forget). Quite a few girls. OK, but not hopping. All dressed in t-shirts and jean shorts. I guess to pass as waitresses.
Also, as mentioned the nautically themed one up the street is open too. Didn't go in. Both probably paying lots of protection money.
Quezon City KTVs are open. Pegasus which is OK, high end place, got to visit once. Heartbeats which I very much like is open. HB always has lots of pretty girls, nice stage show. Chill place. Pick a girl from the fishbowl or the stage. No one bugging you for drinks non-stop. If you've never ventured to Quezon Ave check it out. Classmates closed (good riddance) and renamed. Many other KTVs across from Heartbeats.
WestCoast1
12-23-21, 14:16
Someone complained Makati thread is dead. Trying to help.Good FR, thanks.
I mentioned cleaning before, but I forgot to mention before the importance of cleaning the ears. This twiglet understands. Daddy likes a clean everything. Long live the 'fresh filipina'.
...Quezon City KTVs are open. Pegasus which is OK, high end place, got to visit once. Heartbeats which I very much like is open. HB always has lots of pretty girls, nice stage show. Chill place. Pick a girl from the fishbowl or the stage. No one bugging you for drinks non-stop. If you've never ventured to Quezon Ave check it out. Classmates closed (good riddance) and renamed. Many other KTVs across from Heartbeats.Thanks for the report. One of the problem I have with Quezon area is the drive from Makati. It takes an awful long time to get there. I tried Sundays. It was better but still quite a hike. I am wondering whether the solution is to get a hotel in that area. Never tried that.
Good FR, thanks.
I mentioned cleaning before, but I forgot to mention before the importance of cleaning the ears. This twiglet understands. Daddy likes a clean everything. Long live the 'fresh filipina'.Yes indeed, head to toe.
Locamotive
12-31-21, 09:59
Yes indeed, head to toe.Beautiful bottom. Perfection.
WestCoast1
12-31-21, 16:11
Yes indeed, head to toe.
Beautiful bottom. Perfection.Ya, Doc. Givin' me a stiffie.
And don't forget to clean BOTH of your 3-some gals. Before the sessions, between the sessions, and after the sessions. Its not easy, but I try to vax one of them in the first session and the other in the second session. Doctor Westy works *hard* for the health of his ladies. I regret that I have but one schwanztooka to give for the ISG cause.
Twice.
P Burgos Street located in the heart of Makati is a sorry sight today compared to pre-pandemic times, most of the girly bars are gone and those who have chosen to remain open are operating in a very different model to before. My favorite bar Rogues is no longer and I fear it may not return. However there are still some bars open, today I will talk about Lips, this was mentioned in a previous post so I will expand upon that and relate my own experience.
Lips is almost, but not really a girly bar, several of the waitress are attractive and some have clearly been dancers or hostesses in previous lives to Lips. In general while you might be able to bar fine a waitress, I don't see this occurring very often as the bar is generally trying to keep a low (ish) profile while riding out the pandemic. From time to time it does feel like a bit of life is happening there with it's dance heavy sound tracks / DJ in operation at all times and the energy of the bar staff, but there is no official dancing girls, so those who do end up dancing are customers, waitresses and sometimes freelancers depending on alcohol intake and party mode level. .
Sometimes some free lancers do venture into the bar and it was building up into "at least" somewhere you could go and most likely get a cute young thing to take home for the night, this happened before Christmas during the L2 Alert level, since going back to L3, the place gets raided by cops once a night to once every few days, who are mainly checking on overall numbers (30% occupancy levels during L3 Alert levels) and ensuring that everyone has a vaccine card of some sort, in fairness the staff do seem to be on their toes and keeping in line, so at least there is somewhere to go for a beer and little bit of atmosphere.
The business model is a combination of regular drinks, ladies drinks and bar fines, so for those who don't know this system the ladies drinks tend to cost around 300 pesos (compared to 150 for a regular beer, of this 300 the waitress gets 100 pesos while the bar keeps the remaining 200, this is why you keep getting asked to buy her (and her friend) a drink. This system is used across Asia and if you are not very careful you can run up an extensive bill in a short time, by being too nice a guy or just wanting to cut loose and party. An example of this is, the other night I wanted to just hang out in the bar and chat with some of the waitress, I was feeling generous so bought 3 of them some drinks, maybe 3 rounds, combined with my 3 beers and 1 whiskey by bill was close enough to 4000 pesos (roughly USD $77), which is a lot for a few drinks, but I knew the story as I have been there several times before, I enjoyed the night and got caught up on the latest on the street as they understood it.
The bar fines are not too bad, it is 3,500, but then the lady does expect 2-3 K in the morning, depending on what deal you strike up, sometimes I do see a mamasan in there, but not since L3 came into effect, that might change as businesses get a little braver and chase the money, I also go there infrequently.
I am unsure if there are some free lancers who can go in without incurring the bar fine system, I doubt it, but haven't verified it yet.
I see a few new places open or getting ready to open on the street, so will check them out and take some street photos to share for those interested.
It is pretty much the same across Asia and parts of the US. Many nightlife areas in Asia are in the ICU or vacant. The US border with Mexico might be better because that cesspool will be hard to shut down.
Many countries are trying to open up and, quoting Johnson, let the bodies pile high. I suspect they will label Covid endemic soon. That might bring back travel and tourism. 5 days, 14 days and 21 days quarantine on both sides of travel is hard as the ex head of Credit Suisse will probably attest to based on his avoidance strategy.
I took some photos recently to share of P Burgos Street, it's bleak compared to pre-pandemic times, hopefully the street bounces back to life in the future.
I think I have to upload 1-2 images per post, so hopefully this works.
The map image provides a bit of context, I started at Makati Avenue and then walked up P Burgos Street most of the photos are of establishments / buildings on the right hand side of the street as there is very little to see on the opposite side.
OK, I need to compress the photos to upload.
String is on Makati Avenue just by the entrance to P Burgos.
These are of Rogues and next door to it.
The view down the street.
WestCoast1
01-20-22, 11:57
These are of Rogues and next door to it.Good pics. Re-posting a couple of yours.
First pic. I think the boarded up building next door was previously Hollywood bar, and next to that on the corner is Bourbon. When I was there a few months back, Bourbon had changed its interior to include pool tables, and its become a regular restaurant.
Second pic. Previously during pandemic I was there on different evenings around 8 and 9:30-10 pm. In your pics there are more people and vehicles moving than when I was there. When I was there, every few minutes you'd see a small flurry of motorcycles (3-4-5) turn from Makati Ave onto Burgos and zip by. Ten seconds later a similar number of cars (mostly taxis) would do the same. Then a period of several minutes of no street movement (other than us walking), followed by that cycle of bikes and cars again. In this second pic, just up the street before the 7-11 (on the 7-11 side), you see a white SUV at the street corner attempting to turn onto (or cross) Burgos street. At this corner each time I went was a group of Bakla.
All of my Manila regulars told me at various times during the pandemic that this or that bar on Burgos had re-opened. "I have friend worked Hollywood before. She says its open now". Others said Mirrors, Plan bee, and Go Bananas were open. Really sweetie. "Yes I want to go there". Um, sweetie, I'm not so sure its open. "I want to go sometime". So, a few weeks later when the curfew shortened, we taxi'd over. She was in shock at the continued death of the place. On another occasion I took another of my Burgos regulars to a ST hotel nearby for the night. We went walking up Burgos and she had the same reaction. All of my girls were wrong about Burgos. I posted recently about LGU and government misinformation. Misinformation flies around Phils faster than Omicron.
Westcoast your box is full, please clear some space buddy.
Good pics. Re-posting a couple of yours.Thanks WestCoast, it's all about knowledge sharing, and photos show how it really is, hopefully the street can bounce back to some if not most of it's former glory.
And the last few of the top of the street, big change from before the pandemic, the newer bars that had opened under L2 are now closed while L3 is enforced.
And Lips is closed for a couple of days now, hopefully it will open again soon, it's actually on Badajos street, which is down by Bourbon bar.
WestCoast1
01-20-22, 20:35
And Lips is closed for a couple of days now, hopefully it will open again soon, it's actually on Badajos street, which is down by Bourbon bar.Inbox cleared, thanks.
Lips. Was that previously Kojax?
Inbox cleared, thanks.
Lips. Was that previously Kojax?Yes, I think it was Kojax, location shown on the map here, L- for Lips, H. What was Hollywood, and are. What was Rogues. Had to make the letters with a mouse on a PC so hope it's not soo bad.
Yes, I think it was Kojax, location shown on the map here, L- for Lips, H. What was Hollywood, and are. What was Rogues. Had to make the letters with a mouse on a PC so hope it's not soo bad.I believe your information on the current status of the P Burgos bars is a bit dated. Here's an updated YT vid posted 1-14: worth watching.
https://youtu.be/MJL-vPphUzQ
I believe your information on the current status of the P Burgos bars is a bit dated. Here's an updated YT vid posted 1-14: worth watching.
https://youtu.be/MJL-vPphUzQThat's a great video, thanks for sharing, that guy knows the history of the street way better than I do, recommended.
I actually took my photos the following week (19 or 20th Jan) after that video was posted (14 Jan) according to YouTube, when I took the photos the Filling Station was closed and last week was still closed, not sure why, following my post Bourbon closed for a few days then opened again and then Lips closed, hopefully they will all open again and stay open.
Last night I went to P Burgos Street to see what has opened since as of Tuesday (1st Feb) Manila is now at Alert Level 2 down from Level 3 which was brough in mid January (higher alert levels are more strict).
General observations is that the street has been cleaned up, gone are the vagrants sleeping outside Hollywood on the street, and some places look like they are being worked on to open again (fingers crossed).
That Hello Kitty style drinks shop next to Bourbon at the bottom of P. Burgos street is now closed, so hopefully it will be replaced with something more interesting for this forums readers.
Currently all the "action" in P. Burgos Street is located at the top of the street, for those going to travel here, while there is fun to be had, I suggest setting your expectations real, real low. Like I mentioned before it's a shadow of it's former glory days pre-pandemic. Hopefully that changes with the relaxing of the travel rules, but for now I could only find 4 bars that reflect days gone past.
Nautica is located at the top of P. Burgos Street, shown in the map image with a red circle, this is a small cozy place with a dance stage, it might have been there pre-pandemic, they had about 10 ladies in there last night when I was in, I suspect more can be called in on short notice if the need arises. , ladies drinks were being pushed (not too hard) and there looked to be a mamasan on duty there so take out was an option, I didn't ask about prices. There is a bit of a dance area for the ladies to strut their stuff, and I suspect it wouldn't take too much effort for them to go topless on a busy night there.
Next door is a place called Coco Rock, shown in the map image with a blue circle, it's just a doorway and a stairs so super easy to miss if you are not paying attention. There is a guy on the door trying to get customers in which helps. This place looks pre-pandemic, is a little larger than Nautica and has a pool table in addition to a small dance stage, given I was the only customer in there for most of my time there I didn't see any dancing. Ladies are available and ladies drinks are being gently pushed as well, I didn't ask about prices.
I didn't go into V8, but was in there before Christmas, it's clearly designed for a groups (maybe Korean / Chinese style gentlemen's entertainment, please do comment if you know more about this type of setup), in that the seating is mostly tables with half circle sofa's, when I was there I wasn't allowed to sit in a big table, but was seated off in a corner, then a group of ladies are brough up and the group is expected to choose a number of these ladies to keep them company for their time there. Someone said it has a Chinese owner, I don't know if this is true, but it's a different style to many of the other venues in P Burgos street. There is no dance floor or dancing ladies that I saw when there.
I did go into Saharat, shown with the yellow circle, which is again up a set of stairs, but has a big sign outside (photo attached), this is clearly more of a night club type setup, with a dancing floor and seating arranged around it for party and fun, I would say that there is a mix of customers in there, some looking for ladies and some just out to have fun, so I would exercise some common sense before approaching any ladies. Working ladies are available and from what I can see it is a mix of mamasan (which will include bar fine) and some freelancers. The Manasan ensures her ladies are dressed up and out dancing on the dance floor in some sort of rotation which adds to the overall night club vibe of the place.
Other than that the usual regular bars and restaurants are still open as previously reported by myself and others, hopefully in the coming weeks more places will open up again.
Lips is still closed with the dreaded Closure notice plastered on their door (see photos), hopefully they find a way to open again.
As of last night (7th Feb) there were 5 fun bars open and the usual regular bars and restaurants in and around P Burgos street.
The fun bars:
1. Lips. Now open again.
2. Saharat.
3. V8.
4. Coco Rock.
5. Nautica.
See previous reports for more info on each.
If anyone knows of others please do share, regular bars restaurants include Bourbon (who have now taken the little Hello, kitty shop and converted it into a cozy street view semi private room), H&J which is close to Handlebar is now open again, as is Filling Station.
All places are very strict in terms of showing vaccination proof, which is down I guess to frequent raids, so be prepared if you are going there.
Still a long way from the pre-pandemic days, hopefully over the coming weeks and months we will see fun venues more open.
Locamotive
02-08-22, 19:47
As of last night (7th Feb) there were 5 fun bars open and the usual regular bars and restaurants in and around P Burgos street.
The fun bars:
1. Lips. Now open again.
2. Saharat.
3. V8.
4. Coco Rock.
5. Nautica.
See previous reports for more info on each.In addition to that news girls I know say in the last week their phones are dinging. Allot. Most of these bar and street girls went home to the province after the shutdown but now guys they have not heard from in a long time are texting. One was so excited today that a guy she liked from Australia texted her. Hey baby what you been up too. You free. Busy. Back in Makati. Etc. I'm coming to visit soon. She says her friends are getting the same. Well of course guys have been trapped almost two years in some places what do you expect. The bar situation is unknown this early in the opening and they are trying to line up some action. Can you blame them? OMG! She says two more just text me. Yes dear you and your friends are going to be very popular in the weeks to come. Good luck!
As of last night, no new venues open in P Burgos street, hopefully we will see more opening up soon.
There are still quite a few raids occurring, and some of the bars were super empty around midnight.
Bar fine in Nautica is 3,900 Php so a little bit more than Lips, the setup is different there with the ladies in Bikini's dancing for viewing and choosing fun, where as the other bars ladies are dressed more as if going clubbing.
Ireland1961
02-13-22, 12:36
In addition to that news girls I know say in the last week their phones are dinging. Allot. Most of these bar and street girls went home to the province after the shutdown but now guys they have not heard from in a long time are texting. One was so excited today that a guy she liked from Australia texted her. Hey baby what you been up too. You free. Busy. Back in Makati. Etc. I'm coming to visit soon. She says her friends are getting the same. Well of course guys have been trapped almost two years in some places what do you expect. The bar situation is unknown this early in the opening and they are trying to line up some action. Can you blame them? OMG! She says two more just text me. Yes dear you and your friends are going to be very popular in the weeks to come. Good luck!Friday night seemed much quieter along P Burgos St. Fewer street walkers around perhaps they have all gone into the clubs. Was in Lips and not a great selection perhaps a couple of 6 and 7's cheers.
Got into Manila yesterday morning. Not too bad getting through customs and immigration from USA. I'm here to get SRRV retirement visa which takes about eight weeks upon arrival. Staying at City Garden Grand which is pretty good so far. Roof top pool and dining on 32nd floor. Everybody wearing masks except inside bar. Went to Handlebar biker bar.
Two minute walk to Burgos. Got a 500 p massage with 2000 p happy ending. Later I paid 3500 p barfine bar unrecalled but had good duet live music. She turned out to be runner at midnight. Like the other guy said Burgos is a bit of a ghost town. Not at all like it used to be before plandemic.
Going to Cebu in three days to see my main squeeze and then Dumaguete to set up camp until my stuff arrives in June. Cheers mates. Its good to be back in PI despite all the bullshit paperwork getting here.
Got into Manila yesterday morning. Not too bad getting through customs and immigration from USA. I'm here to get SRRV retirement visa which takes about eight weeks upon arrival. Staying at City Garden Grand which is pretty good so far. Roof top pool and dining on 32nd floor. Everybody wearing masks except inside bar. Went to Handlebar biker bar.
Two minute walk to Burgos. Got a 500 p massage with 2000 p happy ending. Later I paid 3500 p barfine bar unrecalled but had good duet live music. She turned out to be runner at midnight. Like the other guy said Burgos is a bit of a ghost town. Not at all like it used to be before plandemic.
Going to Cebu in three days to see my main squeeze and then Dumaguete to set up camp until my stuff arrives in June. Cheers mates. Its good to be back in PI despite all the bullshit paperwork getting here.Good luck with your retirement. Hope you get the, DD, DDD cups which you like.
Its good to be back in PI despite all the bullshit paperwork getting here.Good luck with the move. Are you talking about the paperwork to move between cities and provinces or just to get into Manila?
It would be good to see a real world list of what's actually required to go from RWML, through a couple of transits, to Duma or similar.
Cheers. G.
AsianPursuits
02-21-22, 04:30
There are still quite a few raids occurring, and some of the bars were super empty around midnight.What type of Raids and by which level of enforcement?
Locamotive
02-22-22, 18:40
I'm surprised after 10 days of Philippine's opening not really any reports, at least as far as girls are concerned. Getting though airport, hotel recommendations, taxis etc while useful for newbies, those of us returning not so much. Maybe 10 or 12 days not enough time for many to get there. I was hoping yeah come on over bars are full of girls, freelancers everywhere and here's my report from last night. I'm being too optimistic, too soon I'm guessing. Any reports would be appreciated. I'm going next month, hope I'm not returning to a ghost town.
I'm surprised after 10 days of Philippine's opening not really any reports, at least as far as girls are concerned. Getting though airport, hotel recommendations, taxis etc while useful for newbies, those of us returning not so much. Maybe 10 or 12 days not enough time for many to get there. I was hoping yeah come on over bars are full of girls, freelancers everywhere and here's my report from last night. I'm being too optimistic, too soon I'm guessing. Any reports would be appreciated. I'm going next month, hope I'm not returning to a ghost town.Give it a month. It takes time to repoen, clean, re-hire staff, etc. The girls need to travel back from wherever thay have been riding out the storm.
I would also be careful with hotel room cleanliness. These places have been closed a while and mold, etc. Will have built up. Two years of 90% humidity has its effects.
Thinking out loud, perhaps the hotels that stayed open through the pandemic are the best bet for the near term since they have been somewhat maintained and aired out. They may even have clean mattresses and not the nasty foam mattress with a thin sheet. No need to ruin a trip with a skin infection.
Have hotel management take the cover off the air conditioner and if its predictably filthy have them clean the filter and coils and clear the drain. Otherwise you will be blowing all the nasties into the room. I usually inspect the room upon entry.
Lastly, bring lice / scabies killing shampoo and use all over your body the day you depart and seven days later (unhached eggs). Just in case.
Just my two pesos worth of advice based on experience.
What type of Raids and by which level of enforcement?The raids were more frequent in the higher alert levels, and just following the drop to level 2 which is now in place until end of Feb.
As to what happened in the raids, it was mainly checking on proof of vaccination for the customers and seeing if the establishment was checking for this, so if a number of customers didn't have proof of vaccination then the establishment would be in trouble.
A second type of raid is where a group of authorities show up and start taking photos of the customer base including ladies, this type of behavior generally drives out the ladies who are free lancers or working girls, and sometimes the customers, usually this second type is the result of a department feeling they need a kick back from the establishment, where as the first type of raid is trying to avoid bad news and is a lot more official. That being said, I haven't heard of any raids since the borders opened (a couple of weeks now), so hopefully we are now in a more "return to normal" mode of operation.
As of this week, there are no new bars or establishments open in P Burgos street, so still only the 5 "fun" bars listed in my previous report, the regular bars that survived are still open.
There is a new sign for an establishment called Lollipop in the same building as Nautica, when I asked some of the bouncers outside, they said it was going to be a Karaoke bar and should be open sometime in the next week, maybe someone can check it out if I don't get there soon and let us all know if it's worth a visit or not? I was actually hoping it would have been owned by the same group who own Lollipop in Angeles, but we will see what it is when it opens.
As Mahaba says, it takes time to recover.
Neidermeyer
02-23-22, 08:17
Hello friends,
I am planning an impromptu trip to the Philippines for about a week in early March and could use some advice.
This will be my second trip to PH. My last trip was 10 years ago. I've researched the forum (RTFF) but given we're in a new world right now, I don't think the legacy posts are especially relevant for our current situation so would appreciate any advice or guidance from those on the ground.
My basic question is: how would you compare the nightlife energy in Manila (Makati) vs Angeles City right now?
I understand both locations are currently at Level 2, but in terms of nightlife where do you feel momentum is building back fastest?
Basically, I'm trying to decide if I should spend the weekends in Manila and weekdays in Angeles or vice versa.
My ideal mongering environment is nightclubs or bars with good vibes and mix of freelancers and semi-pros with perhaps even some fun non-pro girls sprinkled-in.
I know PH is still in recovery mode so nothing is the way it was, but I suspect Manila on the weekends will be best for this. However, if I take that route then I'd likely be spending the weekdays in Angeles and wondering if it will be a bit too slow / boring there during the week right now. Thoughts?
I know it's easy to go back and forth between the two locations, but am just trying to work out my hotel bookings, etc. , so welcome any thoughts / perspectives.
Many thanks!
Neidermeyer.
AsianPursuits
02-23-22, 08:52
Lastly, bring...Also take a 10 pack of each of AA & AAA batteries. When you get to any hotel room, replace all the batteries in all of the remote controls, clocks etc.
Western sized condoms.
Western legit Viagra.
WestCoast1
02-23-22, 21:27
What type of Raids and by which level of enforcement?Some pics I think I posted before, on Burgos.
Pics 1 and 2. Movida bar, Burgos corner Luna. Before pandemic, a hopping classy place. The closure notices (red arrows) are for curfew violation and alcohol ban.
Pic 3. Lion's Den, Burgos, formerly WowWow bar (across from Jools). Similar closure notices.
Locamotive
02-28-22, 01:46
I'm coming over soon and thinking of Airbnb. Over the years for a week or more stay I like these better as usually bigger and same price as hotel or cheaper. I'm coming in March and the host on all the ones I've inquired claim they don't know much about guest policy on COVID restrictions. I get they will probably need vaccine card but all my regulars do and I'm guessing most bar girls as well. I like Gramercy in Makati and before they were always easy. Sometimes they checked girls ID and most of time it was just "evening sir" as we walked in. If you have any building recommendations in Makati on Airbnb for getting girls in now that would be great. It will be a bummer if they say no guest or she needs 2 days worth of paperwork to fill out. These Airbnb host are not being very forthcoming and it may be better this early just do a hotel like City Garden as other here have said that's fine.
WestCoast1
02-28-22, 01:53
On Burgos, across from the previous WowWow bar. Just prior to the pandemic, it was the last place that had spotlight dancers. Five girls that put on a 10-15 minute dance routine, usually to 3-4 different songs. One dance routine each hour from 9 pm to 1 pm (4 shows nightly). Each of the 4 routines was different, with different clothing / uniforms and 4 different songs. The shows were free as long as you had a drink. I think I reported early 2020 that there were few gents in the Burgos gogo bars anymore. You could go into Jools most nights and stay for the 10 and 11 pm shows and be the only customer sometimes. There was some serious choreography going on, as every 4-5 days, all 4 nightly dance routines, songs, and uniforms would completely change. That's a lot of new routines for the girls to learn quickly. I took one of my regulars in from time to time. As I was living just a walk away, I went in either with my girl, or alone, 2-3 nights a week, just to see the dancers. One night I was there having a drink alone, watching the show. I left shortly after they finished and I handed the waitress a brown note to give to the dancers later. Two nights later I was back with my regular (previously she was a Burgos gogo gal) to see the show. After the show as I was chatting with my girl, the 5 dancers came out of the changing room and plopped down with us, thanking for the tip previously. My regular knew one of the dancers (also from the regular's previous gogo bar), and the 7 of us sat and gabbed for 30 minutes. Lovely experience.
Alas, its all gone now. Isko bring it back! A man can dream.
I'm coming over soon and thinking of Airbnb. Over the years for a week or more stay I like these better as usually bigger and same price as hotel or cheaper. I'm coming in March and the host on all the ones I've inquired claim they don't know much about guest policy on COVID restrictions. I get they will probably need vaccine card but all my regulars do and I'm guessing most bar girls as well. I like Gramercy in Makati and before they were always easy. Sometimes they checked girls ID and most of time it was just "evening sir" as we walked in. If you have any building recommendations in Makati on Airbnb for getting girls in now that would be great. It will be a bummer if they say no guest or she needs 2 days worth of paperwork to fill out. These Airbnb host are not being very forthcoming and it may be better this early just do a hotel like City Garden as other here have said that's fine.A lot of buildings have their own policy outside of Barangay requirements and this is changing frequently. Owners probably don't want hassle of refunds and poor reviews should building managers decide to go draconian again and renter doesn't like it.
Lastly, bring lice / scabies killing shampoo and use all over your body the day you depart and seven days later (unhached eggs). Just in case.Definitely on this!
I have been mongering worldwide pretty heavily for 30 years.
To this day the Philippines is the only place on earth I have ever seen live lice crawl out of a hookers hair. And it happened more than once, or twice!
GROSS.
WestCoast1
02-28-22, 22:19
Definitely on this!
I have been mongering worldwide pretty heavily for 30 years.
To this day the Philippines is the only place on earth I have ever seen live lice crawl out of a hookers hair. And it happened more than once, or twice!
GROSS.A group of my regulars in one province are all friends. They live in wildly poor conditions (dirt floors, no electricity, no running water, and so on). I noticed quickly when I first started going into their compounds that almost everyone gets the hair-pickin' treatment: someone else (always a girl) stands over a seated person and pours thru the hair on his / her head, slowly, looking for lice and any other hair critters. Men get the treatment. Women get the treatment. Seniors get the treatment. Kids get the treatment. "Westy she have some creature in her head".
Textbook definition lice diagnosis: When your hair is blowing in the breeze. But there is no breeze.
Yuck!
I'm coming over soon and thinking of Airbnb. Over the years for a week or more stay I like these better as usually bigger and same price as hotel or cheaper. I'm coming in March and the host on all the ones I've inquired claim they don't know much about guest policy on COVID restrictions. I get they will probably need vaccine card but all my regulars do and I'm guessing most bar girls as well. I like Gramercy in Makati and before they were always easy. Sometimes they checked girls ID and most of time it was just "evening sir" as we walked in. If you have any building recommendations in Makati on Airbnb for getting girls in now that would be great. It will be a bummer if they say no guest or she needs 2 days worth of paperwork to fill out. These Airbnb host are not being very forthcoming and it may be better this early just do a hotel like City Garden as other here have said that's fine.Ya, book at City Garden GRAND, not the old one. Good luck.
AsianPursuits
03-01-22, 03:52
I'm coming over soon and thinking of Airbnb. Over the years for a week or more stay I like these better as usually bigger and same price as hotel or cheaper..Airbnb have atrocious cancellation policies in these post-covid era. Prior to Covid I was regularly booking Airbnb in Angeles but during COVID I notice Airbnb would still take their booking fee if I cancelled due to covid. There are better ways to book than risking part of your holiday dollars on Airbnb. But that being said, when I do get to AC I will be wanting an apartment and maybe Airbnb is the only way for us to access apartments.
Definitely on this!
I have been mongering worldwide pretty heavily for 30 years.
To this day the Philippines is the only place on earth I have ever seen live lice crawl out of a hookers hair. And it happened more than once, or twice!.I decided to make the move overseas, quit my job and live off savings until my pension and social security kick in. You can't take all of your possessions with you when you want to see many different countries. So I went along the backpackers route, buy what you need and leave it behind when you move. But even with limited space in my bag I did allow for a electric hair trimmer. I give myself a buzz cut every few weeks without having to hunt down a barbershop. I guess the bonus for me is no lice can latch onto my head since I have little hair for them to hide in.
WestCoast1
03-02-22, 15:09
Ya, book at City Garden GRAND, not the old one. Good luck.Agree, CGG is a newer and nicer place. Lovely open-air resto / bar and pool on the top floor. However, do call and double-check which amenities are open (and guest policies), regardless of what you read or see online. As AsianPursuits points out, airbnb has become junky. All of the booking sites, including Agoda, Booking dot com, airbnb, and so on, have been gutted during Covid; they don't check the actual content of the advertised units. Just look at the large number of airbnb condo units that show as available on your dates, but are off the market (and have been since the pandemic start); the owners have simply not de-activated the listing. Same goes for hotels on Agoda and such, the hotel might have been closed since the start of covid, but on the booking sites it has always shown as open. Again alternately, the hotel has now re-opened, complete with nice pics (pool! Gym!) and description that has not changed since pre-covid times, yet the hotel's facilities have been closed or are extremely limited. That nice pool on top of CGG is probably closed, as will be their gym (as per DOH). MAYBE. You don't get those details on Agoda, you get updates by calling the hotel yourself. BUT, BUT, AGODA SAYS THE ROOM IS GOOD FOR THREE PERSONS / THE POOL IS OPEN / THE GYM IS OPEN. "Sorry po, this is pandemic". Get used to hearing "Sorry po". Call your hotel before you reserve, and then 24-48 hours prior to arrival, and ask 2 things: 1) What is your 'guest' policy? And 2) What ammenities are open?
More coming on Airbnb soon.
FuriousGeorge
03-02-22, 23:31
Yeah I always stay at City Garden Grand, and will be there in a few weeks.
So is LIPS operating just like the old days? Dancing girls and barfines? How much is the morning tip for girls on Burgos? I remember it was more than AC but I can't remember how much more.
This guy gives a pretty good look at the current state of the party scene in Makati:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ap3t3fvYBM
WestCoast1
03-02-22, 23:53
Airbnb have atrocious cancellation policies in these post-covid era. Prior to Covid I was regularly booking Airbnb in Angeles but during COVID I notice Airbnb would still take their booking fee if I cancelled due to covid. There are better ways to book than risking part of your holiday dollars on Airbnb. But that being said, when I do get to AC I will be wanting an apartment and maybe Airbnb is the only way for us to access apartments.At the start of Covid, airbnb quickly put up a notice that said such as this: "All money will be refunded with proof due to Covid restrictions". I was able to get (delayed) refunds without argument at that time. That notice ran for about 3 months. A new notice popped up, such as: "As of August 1 (or similar date), airbnb will no longer refund due to Covid restrictions". The hint was that you should cancel your upcoming reservation prior to Aug 1 and get a full refund. After that date, they stopped refunding money due to local Covid restrictioins.
Airbnb also got hit with a shortage of staff (as they explained to me when I complained that they were taking weeks between responses to my requests for refunds). They were nearly worthless because of the delays. Egregious owner-tenent disagreements went unanswered for weeks. Even later, into 2021, sometimes I contacted airbnb when I thought an owner was violating the TOS. Typical reply times could be 5-10 days; too long to consider renting from that owner. In one of my complaints with airbnb, they said they were shorthanded and backed up from the pandemic.
So is LIPS operating just like the old days? Dancing girls and barfines? How much is the morning tip for girls on Burgos? I remember it was more than AC but I can't remember how much more.
This guy gives a pretty good look at the current state of the party scene in Makati:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ap3t3fvYBMOn the topic of dancing girls, I would say that only Nautica is where you "currently" find ladies who regularly get up and dance in Bikini's, in Coco Rock this can happen, but you need to buy the ladies drinks first (or promise them a drink), there it's not part of the standard routine. Lips doesn't have dancing girls as such.
For freelancers that get up and dance as if in a nightclub, then Lips and Saharat (see my previous reports for more info) would be the place to go.
I don't see that much of a difference in prices between AC and Makati (I was there two weeks ago), only comparing Walking street with P. Burgos street, both places the bar fines I experienced were between 3. 5-4 K and the ladies tended to quote roughly the same when dealing with freelancers in both places, the only big difference is the choice in options, with Walking street in AC having more than four times the number of venues open than currently available in P Burgos street.
Having said that, I am seeing an increase in the amount of available ladies in the venues that are open in P Burgos, and also I have heard that several new venues are planning to open over the coming weeks, things are very slowly starting to feel a "little" bit like the old days.
Expat American
03-05-22, 09:11
On the topic of dancing girls, I would say that only Nautica is where you "currently" find ladies who regularly get up and dance in Bikini's, in Coco Rock this can happen, but you need to buy the ladies drinks first (or promise them a drink), there it's not part of the standard routine. Lips doesn't have dancing girls as such.
For freelancers that get up and dance as if in a nightclub, then Lips and Saharat (see my previous reports for more info) would be the place to go.
I don't see that much of a difference in prices between AC and Makati (I was there two weeks ago), only comparing Walking street with P. Burgos street, both places the bar fines I experienced were between 3. 5-4 K and the ladies tended to quote roughly the same when dealing with freelancers in both places, the only big difference is the choice in options, with Walking street in AC having more than four times the number of venues open than currently available in P Burgos street..In AC the barfines are all inclusive. In Burgos I think you negotiate separately for the service so total cost maybe over 6 K.
Definitely on this!
I have been mongering worldwide pretty heavily for 30 years.
To this day the Philippines is the only place on earth I have ever seen live lice crawl out of a hookers hair. And it happened more than once, or twice!
GROSS.Tip them with shampoo.
Hi guys,
New soon to be Manila monger here. I have travelled to other countries (HK, Thailand, Brazil) for our hobby before the pandemic so I have reasonable experience in this hobby. I'm going to Manila for the first time in 3 weeks. After reading the advice here I am lining updates from DIA. It seems to be working well. One common theme I'm seeing with the ladies is the ones that are keen to play all claim to unable to have babies and want no condoms. This is sounding alarm bells for me. So my question is, is this some type of potential scam to get pregnant and get money from a guy?
I will be staying in Makati so if anyone wants to meet up and hunt I'm up for it.
Hi guys,
New soon to be Manila monger here. I have travelled to other countries (HK, Thailand, Brazil) for our hobby before the pandemic so I have reasonable experience in this hobby. I'm going to Manila for the first time in 3 weeks. After reading the advice here I am lining updates from DIA. It seems to be working well. One common theme I'm seeing with the ladies is the ones that are keen to play all claim to unable to have babies and want no condoms. This is sounding alarm bells for me. So my question is, is this some type of potential scam to get pregnant and get money from a guy?
I will be staying in Makati so if anyone wants to meet up and hunt I'm up for it.Use a condom and no worries.
In AC the barfines are all inclusive. In Burgos I think you negotiate separately for the service so total cost maybe over 6 K.Expat American, I think this is a great discussion topic.
For me when I said I didn't see much difference in the cost between AC and P. Burgos street, I am only going from my recent experience in both, typically I would agree what service I am after and then promise a good tip to hopefully get what I agreed and also a good service. So, I would generally say to the lady, I want sex 2 times, once in the night and again in the morning, and depending on how late it was you might have to specify morning as not before 10 am (for example; if you go back at 3 am and the lady wants to leave at 7 am which has happened to me before, then I feel short changed). So, what I tend to do is offer them 2 K as a tip (the amount is not always communicated) and if they want to leave early or come up with some excuse to not have a second round then I dock them some or most of their promised tip. My approach doesn't always work, but I find that you do need to be specific up front before you barfine her, if for example you want more than one round, or hope to have some sleep and then wake up with the lady for round 2, this should be agreed before committing on the barfine.
I haven't tried recently just barfining a lady and taking them to a short term hotel / room, so a single pop for short time might be covered in the barfine, I don't know.
You are right about the total cost coming up on 6 K, but then again it doesn't take much effort to run up a similar bar bill entertaining a (couple) of ladies trying to figure out how horny you are and who you want to barfine.
The cheaper option in both areas is to get the number of the lady and make arrangements to meet outside of the bar, but that generally takes a little time, and you might have to barfine the lady first in order to get her to part with her direct number.
Am interested to hear what others have to say on this topic.
Hi guys,
New soon to be Manila monger here. I have travelled to other countries (HK, Thailand, Brazil) for our hobby before the pandemic so I have reasonable experience in this hobby. I'm going to Manila for the first time in 3 weeks. After reading the advice here I am lining updates from DIA. It seems to be working well. One common theme I'm seeing with the ladies is the ones that are keen to play all claim to unable to have babies and want no condoms. This is sounding alarm bells for me. So my question is, is this some type of potential scam to get pregnant and get money from a guy?
I will be staying in Makati so if anyone wants to meet up and hunt I'm up for it.For our hobby there are very few places left for raw sex. Philippines is the one where girls do not insist on condoms whether working girls or dating girls. It is not a scam. There are instances where they could claim paternity but impossible to prove. If you are thinking of making a baby and importing them to your country it is an uphill battle.
Better cover up if you are afraid. You might possibly save yourself health wise also.
Hi guys,
New soon to be Manila monger here. I have travelled to other countries (HK, Thailand, Brazil) for our hobby before the pandemic so I have reasonable experience in this hobby. I'm going to Manila for the first time in 3 weeks. After reading the advice here I am lining updates from DIA. It seems to be working well. One common theme I'm seeing with the ladies is the ones that are keen to play all claim to unable to have babies and want no condoms. This is sounding alarm bells for me. So my question is, is this some type of potential scam to get pregnant and get money from a guy?
I will be staying in Makati so if anyone wants to meet up and hunt I'm up for it.Been in Makati about a year now and I still fuck 1-2 new girls every week I meet on Tinder, Seeking, or some other site. I've never had 1 ask me to cover up. A couple of girls mentioned it, and I said no, and they said OK po. Only 1 girl asked me not to creampie her. I've been "fixed" so no babies popping out of me, but I've never had so much fun raw dogging 18-25 year olds. Fucked two of them today as a matter of fact when a Tinder girl asked to hook up and bring her friend to "be more comfortable". I ended up fucking both of them, and that's actually happened to me 3 times already. Ya ya ya, I know. Bad for my health. So is alcohol, tobacco, and many other vices. I'll take the risk.
For me when I said I didn't see much difference in the cost between AC and P. Burgos street, I am only going from my recent experience in both, Comparing like to like I would struggle to get a Burgos Bargirl for what I pay in AC. Pre-pandemic a Burgos girl would be 3900 BF (non inclusive) and she would expect a tip of at least 3000 for long time, more likely 4 or even 5 k. AC Walking Street would be 3500 (inclusive). If (and it's big if. One shot runners are common) she stayed until morning and was a good time I would give a several hundred peso tip. Tips are not mandatory though. I have given zero after poor performance without repercussions.
At the other end of the market, street walkers can be had for 500-1000ST in both. Just don't expect quality or GFE.
I was getting the feeling that fun times on Burgos were over forever with so many bars going out of business.
But last night I had a great time at a new bar. I am embarrassed to say that I forgot the name but it's just a couple doors down from the nautically themed one, which was not so great. (Maybe the new one replaced Coyote or Rascals, which were getting pretty sad).
It has a gold door and is nicely renovated inside, unlike most of the run down bars prior to the pandemic. Lots of sexy pretty girls wearing bikinis and the like, dancing and doing lineups. Had the feel of a good bar in Thailand. Bought drinks for a couple very attractive and friendly girls. One with a curvy figure and big boobs was very sexy an friendly. My GF wanted to bar fine a girl but I think most hotels will only allow two to a room, so didn't want to spend money for disappointment.
So the new bar with a forgotten name, five stars! Great atmosphere with lots of sexy girls available. Also lots of customers to support the scene. Hopping. Very pleasantly surprised.
In general, I see many more foreigners wandering around so seems like people are eager and successful in getting back.
Other spots.
Bourbon down the street is now a restobar. Nice atmosphere. Good place to eat. Also had tons of customers. Girls hanging out. I guess they are bargirls. But I would put them in the category of MINLF. (add "not" to MILF).
The nautically themed one at the top of the street, not so worth the visit. Decor of a dark basement. About 10-12 girls. 2-3 qualified as hot enough.
Lipps, I don't like so much. Mainly customers and waitresses / bargirls standing around. Not so much going on.
OK, so there's hope!
I ended up last night hanging out around at P. Burgos with one local "girlfriend" who is really just a friend (26 yo), but if asked she would still always be willing to fuck, but I have been lazy in that area lately just concentrating on good food options and drinks during my three weeks stay here. Maybe the age has finally caught me (45 yo) or heavy drinking etc.
We had first a couple of cocktails in a nice rooftop bar Dr Wine a few blocks away and then she wanted to have some food also so we headed to P. Burgos. Seems safe walking these streets around Kalaayaan these days. One girl said because of the president but who knows.
Cafe Cubana didn't have kitchen open at 1 am so we had a quesadillas and drinks at Jose Cuervo which is also open late. Burgos seems quiet this time compared what is was pre-pandemic still full of girls and people at 3 am.
Dimples was open across the road I guess it is one of the girlie bars open now. I saw one blond foreigner pull up a girl from there right after finishing his meal. Then also many girls leaving there alone without customers after 2 am closure.
P. Burgos even is quiet still has its vibe. And great prices at least in foods and drinks. At Jose cuervo 8 margaritas and free nachos for 888 p. I had 5 of them but didn't feel much drunk (is there really the alcohol). Although now I still have a bit headache after last night.
FuriousGeorge
03-21-22, 08:42
Bruh, I'm going to really need the name of this bar with the gold door. I'll be in makati in less than a week and my top targets were Lips and Nautica but you're telling me they aren't so great. So. Figure out the name of this gold door bar and drinks are on me. .
I was getting the feeling that fun times on Burgos were over forever with so many bars going out of business.
But last night I had a great time at a new bar. I am embarrassed to say that I forgot the name but it's just a couple doors down from the nautically themed one, which was not so great. (Maybe the new one replaced Coyote or Rascals, which were getting pretty sad).
It has a gold door and is nicely renovated inside, unlike most of the run down bars prior to the pandemic. Lots of sexy pretty girls wearing bikinis and the like, dancing and doing lineups. Had the feel of a good bar in Thailand. Bought drinks for a couple very attractive and friendly girls. One with a curvy figure and big boobs was very sexy an friendly. My GF wanted to bar fine a girl but I think most hotels will only allow two to a room, so didn't want to spend money for disappointment.
I was getting the feeling that fun times on Burgos were over forever with so many bars going out of business.
But last night I had a great time at a new bar. I am embarrassed to say that I forgot the name but it's just a couple doors down from the nautically themed one, which was not so great. (Maybe the new one replaced Coyote or Rascals, which were getting pretty sad).
It has a gold door and is nicely renovated inside, unlike most of the run down bars prior to the pandemic. Lots of sexy pretty girls wearing bikinis and the like, dancing and doing lineups. Had the feel of a good bar in Thailand. Bought drinks for a couple very attractive and friendly girls. One with a curvy figure and big boobs was very sexy an friendly. My GF wanted to bar fine a girl but I think most hotels will only allow two to a room, so didn't want to spend money for disappointment.
So the new bar with a forgotten name, five stars! Great atmosphere with lots of sexy girls available. Also lots of customers to support the scene. Hopping. Very pleasantly surprised.
In general, I see many more foreigners wandering around so seems like people are eager and successful in getting back.OMG please remember the name of the bar LOL. I live in Makati and want to go.
Regarding rooms, I routinely take 2 girls to the SOGO Makati. When I tell them 3 persons, they just make me get 2 rooms. It's 700 pesos for a basic room for 3 hours (about $12) so I happily shell out $24-$25 for 2 rooms and then don't even enter the second one LOL.
OMG please remember the name of the bar LOL. I live in Makati and want to go.
Regarding rooms, I routinely take 2 girls to the SOGO Makati. When I tell them 3 persons, they just make me get 2 rooms. It's 700 pesos for a basic room for 3 hours (about $12) so I happily shell out $24-$25 for 2 rooms and then don't even enter the second one LOL.It's literally as described, you can't miss it. Fairly sure it replaced Rascals, but it's difficult to tell now as buildings have been significantly refurbished with some combined into one unit and some demolished.
If you're colour blind follow the sound of obscenely loud music until you go deaf. I went there 2nd weekend it opened and it was awful, Nautica was a million times more fun with hotter girls who get naked in the bar. I think I wrote report on both back in December, Nautica is one I've returned to since. Don't want to take anything away from Big Fun's experience, just shows people have vastly different experiences at same venues, and there's nothing wrong with that. Same as not everyone has same experience with girls we meet.
WestCoast1
03-21-22, 20:56
Regarding rooms, I routinely take 2 girls to the SOGO Makati. When I tell them 3 persons, they just make me get 2 rooms. It's 700 pesos for a basic room for 3 hours (about $12) so I happily shell out $24-$25 for 2 rooms and then don't even enter the second one LOL.I was using SOGO's in Malate and on Buendia (Pasay) a lot. Rates were different between hotels on any given day, and changed often. Neither offered a 3-hour rate. Six, 10, and 12 hours were the options. P900 was usually the rate for 6 hours, and 10 or 12 hours were often 300 or p500 more. At different times you could have 0 (strict ECQ), 1 or 2 girls (never more). On occasion they gave me a strange concept: Rent the room for 10 or 12 hours (not 6 hours) at p1200 (normal rate), and they would allow 1 girl for the full 10 hours, and a second girl could stay for 3 hours. Seemed strange to me, but we did that a couple of times when my regular wanted to bring a new girl and the new girl would stay for a 3-some, then she would go home, leaving the regular for my remaining carnal desires.
One day at Victoria Court, during an ECQ period allowing only 1 guest, I showed up with 2 girls. "Sorry po, 1 guest only". My regular had, un-announced, brought me a surprise cutie twiglet, not knowing that the hotel would not allow a second girl. Sad face ladies, somebody is going home now. Which one. . . Chatting the 2 girls in front of the clerk, we discussed going to a different ST place a block away, a pensionne place that allows 'additional' for a small fee. The clerk piped up with: "OK you can have 2 guests. First guest the all 6 hours. Second guest I will allow for 1 hour only". Perfect!
On occasion I would get a surprise at the SOGO front desk checking in. I was there 2 days prior and paid p900 for the 6 hour rate (great for 2 unrushed pops, complete with time for lunch and massage between pops). At the front desk chatting the lady clerk, my date walked in and I said I wanted a 6-hour room. "OK its P400". What? P900? "Having a promo today and tomorrow only on 6 hour rooms". Really! Sweet! "Tuesday and Wednesday its 12 hour rooms for p600". I see, and how much Tuesday and Wednesday for the 10 hour room? "Usual price its p1200". OF COURSE, YOU ARE IN PHILIPPINES!
I forgot the name but it's just a couple doors down from the nautically themed one, which was not so great. (Maybe the new one replaced Coyote or Rascals, which were getting pretty sad).
It has a gold door and is nicely renovated inside,
OMG please remember the name of the bar LOL. I live in Makati and want to go.
Bruh, I'm going to really need the name of this bar with the gold door. SNIP So. Figure out the name of this gold door bar and drinks are on me. .Detectives, I hear it has a gold door and is a few doors down from Nautica. Chismosa on the street is that it might be near Rascals or Coyote Ugly.
FuriousGeorge
03-22-22, 06:32
So what's the best daytime massage-with-a-handjob place in Makati nowadays? Back in the day it was Abacca but I'm guessing that's closed.
Transporter
03-22-22, 20:04
I was using SOGO's in Malate and on Buendia (Pasay) a lot.
One day at Victoria Court, during an ECQ period allowing only 1 guest,
.Wow didn't realize you were so close to me. My base is right there remedios.
Fun Times69
03-23-22, 08:33
Flew to the Philippines from Dubai and was struck by the lack of foreign travellers onboard. 90% or more of passengers were Filipinos heading home. Does this mean rich pickings for us? Let's see. This was my first visit to the Philippines but I'm well travelled around Thailand but fancied something new.
Touched down in Manila at 9. 30 pm and after the usual delays etc threw by bag into my room, got quickly changed and then went out. I chose Red Planet as it's exceptionally close to the action, extremely good value, and the rooms clean and reasonably comfortable. What's struck me is the scene here isn't even close to being what it is in Thailand. A lot more independents and freelancers around which makes it a lot cheaper than paying the ridiculous bar fines. After having a beer in one bar, I popped down the road a few more metres to another bar. Sorry I can't remember the name but there's a picture below with the address on Google Earth. I noticed plenty of fellow travellers and a handy 7/11 opposite (photo attached) outside which even at 11.30 pm there were 20 or more girls hanging around outside looking for customers. Bumped into an American and had a chat. It's always awesome to find someone who has been there a couple of days more than you. We had a couple of beers and he offered to show me around the local area. Went into a few gogo type bars but they're nothing like the ones you'll see in Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy, or Walking Street, much more of a girl next door type. The girls were all undoubtably cute but on stage they were nervous and didn't have the type of body you need to pull that sort of thing off. What I did notice is these girls will happily give you their numbers to meet up outside working hours if you're nice to them. Certainly beats paying a bar fine which the girl never gets to see. I'd picked up the number of a cute girl called Katherine in one of the Gogo Bars earlier and planned to call her the next day for a meet up. Very slim and super cute.
We went back to where we'd met and even though it was late. Jeff and I went inside and sat at the bar. One of the bar staff and her friend came to sit with us and the rumour is true, all the girls are available. Jeff started chatting with the member of staff and I with Natalie. Got her number too and she even walked me home. I was way too knackered for a shag so we agreed to meet the following day.
Another suggestion for meeting amateur's. Forget about the dating apps etc. Set yourself up a dummy Facebook Account that you use for mongering only. I'm using Nick Angeles as mine. Then search for FB groups using the keywords, Walker, Raket, Klaw, pok pok, etc. There's dozens there so search for where you'll be and then join and browse. Happy searching but make sure you acquaint yourselves with the real prices first. There's no need to pay upwards of 5000 php for a shag when you can happily get one for 1500 or 2000 php and the girls are getting more money as there's not a bar or handler in the way getting their cut. I'm going to leave those bar fines for those on company expenses. I'll post more updates as I travel.
Fun Times69
03-23-22, 13:51
Bruh, I'm going to really need the name of this bar with the gold door. I'll be in makati in less than a week and my top targets were Lips and Nautica but you're telling me they aren't so great. So. Figure out the name of this gold door bar and drinks are on me. .Nautica is probably the best at the moment. Some very cute girls who if you're nice to them will give you their phone number for a meet up later. One, messaged me the moment she clocked off looking for business.
From what I remember, there are three pretty close together and the gold door club is in the middle. Could be wrong.
WestCoast1
03-25-22, 16:43
Pre-pandemic and pandemic, sometimes a gent must turn to 'alternative sources'. Times can be desperate. You haven't been able to get this or that gal like you wanted, for whatever reason (her blood, or no transportation, or she's at her auntie's vigil). You haven't been laid in 5-7 days (it might be a crime).
You might need to take one for the team. Or in my case, you might take one that is 2. 2 x for the team. Its not all wine and roses. But I might have her number for those interested.
Pre-pandemic and pandemic, sometimes a gent must turn to 'alternative sources'. Times can be desperate. You haven't been able to get this or that gal like you wanted, for whatever reason (her blood, or no transportation, or she's at her auntie's vigil). You haven't been laid in 5-7 days (it might be a crime).
You might need to take one for the team. Or in my case, you might take one that is 2. 2 x for the team. Its not all wine and roses. But I might have her number for those interested.HA! I like big boobs but too chubby for me buddy.
WestCoast1
03-26-22, 04:55
HA! I like big boobs but too chubby for me buddy.She was "More woman that I am a man". Don't let her cowgirl. . .
It's literally as described, you can't miss it. Fairly sure it replaced Rascals, but it's difficult to tell now as buildings have been significantly refurbished with some combined into one unit and some demolished.
If you're colour blind follow the sound of obscenely loud music until you go deaf. I went there 2nd weekend it opened and it was awful, Nautica was a million times more fun with hotter girls who get naked in the bar. I think I wrote report on both back in December, Nautica is one I've returned to since. Don't want to take anything away from Big Fun's experience, just shows people have vastly different experiences at same venues, and there's nothing wrong with that. Same as not everyone has same experience with girls we meet.I was actually in this place last night and a friend and I saw a few that we wanted but they were buddied up with some Korean men. So we went to plan be and called a few over and just like that, the Koreans left and the stars were left behind. We figured that would happen. So we bit the bullet, and cashed out. Mine was not as polite and good looking in normal clothes but my friend was the winner of the consolation round we had. There were a few more next to that place that we will try again.
Pre-pandemic and pandemic, sometimes a gent must turn to 'alternative sources'. Times can be desperate. You haven't been able to get this or that gal like you wanted, for whatever reason (her blood, or no transportation, or she's at her auntie's vigil). You haven't been laid in 5-7 days (it might be a crime).
You might need to take one for the team. Or in my case, you might take one that is 2. 2 x for the team. Its not all wine and roses. But I might have her number for those interested.Due to privacy concerns, I'll star out her name, but are the first and last initials to her name H & Y? And / or H? I'm talking to one on Snapchat that I met on PL that's thicc as a Snicker, but doesn't do "this" much if you catch my drift.
Just wondering if it's the same girl, bc the body looks pretty similar.
WestCoast1
03-26-22, 20:20
Due to privacy concerns, I'll star out her name, but are the first and last initials to her name H & Y? And / or H? I'm talking to one on Snapchat that I met on PL that's thicc as a Snicker, but doesn't do "this" much if you catch my drift.
Just wondering if it's the same girl, bc the body looks pretty similar.Thanks Boss. I was going to PM you, but you don't have that function yet. When you get PM, contact me there.
FuriousGeorge
03-29-22, 03:52
Landed on Friday evening, stayed at the Garden City Grand. Took a nap and got a little dressed up and headed to Bourbon which is a restobar I guess. Pretty much just a basic bar with a pool table but girls definitely surrounded me and wanted to hang out. I had a couple of drinks and chatted with them. It wasn't clear what their deal was. Certainly available, but for me it's often confusing because I'm tall and handsome and very fit and youngish, so I'm never quite sure what the deal is with civilian girls. Headed down the block to Lips. So this is place is exactly like the old days with hot girls milling about schmoozing you and hitting you up for drinks. Only difference, no dancing girls. There's a stage and a rail but no dancing. Girls are like 8/1 ratio to customers. 10 chicks immediately jumped me but I ended up hanging out with 2. The oldest one and the youngest one. Was good times, felt like the old days. I picked the oldest one to take home. She wasn't the hottest but I could tell she would be the most fun. I was right, good times. Dismissed her after the fun because I needed to sleep.
Next day, I can confirm that there is absolutely nothing to do around Burgos during the day. Not one bar open for a drink that I could find after walking around for an hour. Nighttime, different story, lots of fun to be had. Side note, almost everyone outside wears a mask, even dudes on motorcycles. Not one person wears a mask in the bar. I walked around without a mask and nobody bothered me. Well not actually true. The girls bothered the hell out of me, whistling and touching as I walked by, but I would smile and wave and keep going, and they were cool about it. I ate sushi at Yugi, not terrible. Stopped at a swanky bar called Movida. They did ask for my vax there. Couple of drinks there, good vibe. Then I went to the gold door place. I think it's called V8 club. This place is fantastic. Ratio 12/1 girls to customers. Most of the girls are between 7's and 9's. Completely packed and has a dance stage and a cool modern setup. The girls mostly let me sit alone but would smile and wave call me superman. I picked my favorite from the stage who kept looking at me and she ran down and jumped me when I called her over. My kind of body - 82 lbs max, perky little naturals, and a round tiny little ass. We had a blast drinking and watching the girls and all her friends would come by and mime crying and say they were jealous. Hung out with a few of them and all the girls were fun. Barfined my lady and we went to a civvie club called Secret Door and danced and had a blast. Lots of foreigners there. Finally back at the hotel, this girl had serious game. After 45 minutes of penetration and 5 positions I asked her if she wanted me to cum. 'That's up to you baby'. What a champ. Decided on another 10 minutes and finished. Morning, well I'm not a morning sex guy but she demanded it. Exchanged numbers but didn't have the heart to tell her I was leaving in a few hours, headed to AC.
Not trying to sound like a conceited dick. Trying to give the perspective of a handsome man in PH. I'm in AC now on my third day here. Took the day off yesterday to sleep but my first night was a blast, as expected. Will try to report at some point.
WestCoast1
03-29-22, 17:20
Landed on Friday evening, stayed at the Garden City Grand.
SNIP
Not trying to sound like a conceited dick. Trying to give the perspective of a handsome man in PH. I'm in AC now on my third day here. Took the day off yesterday to sleep but my first night was a blast, as expected. Will try to report at some point.Good descriptive initial report. Keep reporting; give the fellas something to look forward to.
Morsel: Speaking of something to look forward to, guapa sa Makati.
On a whim I ventured out last night (Wednesday) and to my surprise I found 3 new venues were open in P. Burgos Street, OK two of these are strictly not on P. Burgos Street, but are visible and accessible from the same.
The new venues are:
Lollypop (same building as Nautica, but upstairs) - I didn't stay here, but had a look and it appears fairly standard cozy lounge type with girls on call to entertain.
Dimples. Which I think is on Caceres street (great sign very visible from P. Burgos street) which is a standard girly bar, but has luminated tables in the sofa areas to give it a unique look and feel.
And Lips " (they didn't have a different name for it) which is more of a standard night club layout and is about double the capacity of lips which is downstairs, I thought this has the most potential of the new venues I stopped by.
It's great to see these new venues opening up, the only real problem currently is lack of girls (for all the venues) and lack of customers which I am fairly sure will improve in the coming weeks and months, or maybe last night was just a quite night.
This brings the girly bar count up to about 8 (soon into double digits.)
1. Lips.
2. Lips + (on the fence as to if it should be counted as a second venue).
3. Saharat.
4. V8.
5. Coco Rock.
6. Nautica.
7. Lollypop.
8. Dimples.
Of these both Nautica and Coco Rock are the closest to what P Burgos street was like pre-pandemic (cozy, seedy which I quite like hahaha) while Lips +, Saharat and V8 (larger, modern and somewhat night club type) represent the new wave of what P Burgos Street could be moving forward, personally I like the mix and the choice.
Barfines seems to remain fairly standard at 3.5 K where I asked about it.
One of the ladies I spoke with last night said that "Royal" (nightclub that had a mix of regular and working ladies and is somewhat close to P Burgos Street) is open again, I haven't been there since before the pandemic so might try to visit again at some point.
Looking forward to seeing others report on their experiences and of course more venues opening up.
On a whim I ventured out last night (Wednesday) and to my surprise I found 3 new venues were open in P. Burgos Street, OK two of these are strictly not on P. Burgos Street, but are visible and accessible from the same.
The new venues are:
Lollypop (same building as Nautica, but upstairs) - I didn't stay here, but had a look and it appears fairly standard cozy lounge type with girls on call to entertain.
Dimples. Which I think is on Caceres street (great sign very visible from P. Burgos street) which is a standard girly bar, but has luminated tables in the sofa areas to give it a unique look and feel.
And Lips " (they didn't have a different name for it) which is more of a standard night club layout and is about double the capacity of lips which is downstairs, I thought this has the most potential of the new venues I stopped by.AH Dimples, had some great afternoon fun in there back in the day! Time to start planning my return.
Biggusdickus
04-20-22, 12:02
Lion's pride.
Nautica.
Lollypop.
Par avion.
Coco rock.
V8.
? (couldn't find a name, black door).
Dimples.
Bourbon.
Lips, upper and lower (upper is ex-kojax).
Amors (in the parallel street).
Not all were thriving but lollypop and v8 were quite full at times.
Philosophus
04-20-22, 23:00
My kind of body - 82 lbs max, perky little naturals, and a round tiny little ass. We had a blast drinking and watching the girls and all her friends would come by and mime crying and say they were jealous. Hung out with a few of them and all the girls were fun. Barfined my lady and we went to a civvie club called Secret Door and danced and had a blast. Lots of foreigners there. Finally back at the hotel, this girl had serious game. After 45 minutes of penetration and 5 positions I asked her if she wanted me to cum. 'That's up to you baby'. What a champ. Decided on another 10 minutes and finished. Nice report. How old was this girl?
Biggusdickus
04-21-22, 17:46
(…) Next day, I can confirm that there is absolutely nothing to do around Burgos during the day. Not one bar open for a drink that I could find after walking around for an hour. Nighttime, different story, lots of fun to be had. Side note, almost everyone outside wears a mask, even dudes on motorcycles. Not one person wears a mask in the bar. I walked around without a mask and nobody bothered me. Well not actually true. The girls bothered the hell out of me, whistling and touching as I walked by, but I would smile and wave and keep going, and they were cool about it. I ate sushi at Yugi, not terrible. Stopped at a swanky bar called Movida. They did ask for my vax there. Couple of drinks there, good vibe. Then I went to the gold door place. I think it's called V8 club. This place is fantastic. Ratio 12/1 girls to customers. Most of the girls are between 7's and 9's. Completely packed and has a dance stage and a cool modern setup. The girls mostly let me sit alone but would smile and wave call me superman. I picked my favorite from the stage who kept looking at me and she ran down and jumped me when I called her over. My kind of body - 82 lbs max, perky little naturals, and a round tiny little ass. We had a blast drinking and watching the girls and all her friends would come by and mime crying and say they were jealous. Hung out with a few of them and all the girls were fun. Barfined my lady and we went to a civvie club called Secret Door and danced and had a blast. Lots of foreigners there. Finally back at the hotel, this girl had serious game. After 45 minutes of penetration and 5 positions I asked her if she wanted me to cum. 'That's up to you baby'. What a champ. Decided on another 10 minutes and finished. Morning, well I'm not a morning sex guy but she demanded it. Exchanged numbers but didn't have the heart to tell her I was leaving in a few hours, headed to AC.Nice report! How much were barfine and tip, and would you mind sharing her (stage) name? I'm in the area.
I have been out a few times recently, didn't spot any new venues on the street, but the biggest surprise was V8, I decided to re-visit it after seeing the great report by FuriousGeorge, it has changed quite a bit from my original report back in February, I originally reported that it was set up for groups of Chinese / Korean business men with no stage / dance area, but happy to report the layout has changed, they ripped out some of the sofas in the middle and put in a dance stage complete with poles, also the ladies mostly ware bikinis now with heals for dancing so a big improvement on what it was, also the number of ladies in there has increased 3-4 times of what it was on my first visit, so now it would be a recommended spot to visit for those looking for scantily clad ladies.
I have noticed that a lot of the bars now have a lot more ladies working there than previously and the quality has indeed gone up, some hope for the street after all. And I have also noticed that many of the bars are allowing / encouraging a little bit more naughty behavior than previously in the higher levels of lockdown.
Its a shame the likes of Rogues and those next door to it, look like they won't be returning any time soon.
WestCoast1
04-28-22, 03:51
Good morning gents. A *small* goodie for you.
I'm in Makati now.
Visited Dimples early on yesterday. Pulled a genuine 18 year old cutie out of there who was slim, pale skinned and very sweet. Barfine was 3500. Sweet girl that made the most adorable noises as I was fucking her in the shower, in the bed, against the window.
Later after I got rid of the cutie, I went back out again and checked out v8. Can confirm previous reports. Lots of girls. Like 8 to 1 girls to guys. Some absolute stunners.
Ended up having great banter and buying lady drinks for a girl I initially assumed wouldn't barfine. Slim, pretty and a good laugh. I thought she was one of those girls they just lure you in with. Barfined her (3000 php) and took her back to the hotel. Real GFE submissive, fucked her in the pussy and ass, swooping back and forth before finally dribbling out a load (my third of the night) in her ass.
She left sbout 7 am and I slept more. Checked out LA Cafe.
Got talking to a shy, slim 22 year old and her friend who was acting kind of like mamasan. Best looking girl in there to my eyes.
Got her in the taxi and she turned hardened. All the old tricks. I'm tired, I'm a little drunk. I need to go back to my place before long, my phone is on charge etc etc.
We were only about five minutes from LA Cafe at that point so I took her back. I should have just dumped her scamming ass right where we were.
Plan tonight is to check out a few more bars, maybe hit v8 again.
Checked out Lips last night.
Lots of very hot girls, doing choreographed dance moves on the large Central floor. Some very good stripper pole action. Ratio was like 10 girls to 1 girls to guys.
However, other than being swarmed initially by the see List. The girls were just kind of hanging out with their friends. Didn't even get a smile the entire time I was in there. One or two weekend millionaires were dropping some serious cash on bottles and lady drinks, they had a few fitties with the but the rest of us were sat around like chumps.
Odd place. Worth it for the show but I wouldn't hold out any hope of bar fining any of the real hotties.
Heased back to V8 after, bought a lady drink for a nice 19 year old girl but then spotted something better. Dismiss first girl, send the mamasan for her.
Cute little thing. True, true spinner. 4'6 and 65 lbs. 24 years old, one kid, no baby damage. We agreed she'd come with me and stay till 8 am.
Fucking was good, she didn't rush me and let me throw her around. 4 am after the second pop, she says her friend has come to bring her stuff. Send her down to get it (I ha sher phone and wallet), she turns back up with friend in tow toting Jolibee.
Friend is a tall girl, a little chubby, but very cute in a Pacific Island girl type of way.
We eat, me and my girl cuddle up in bed. I doze off and awake sometime later to find the friend cuddled up to me on the other side.
Doze off again, wake up about 9 am. My girl goes off for a long shower. I spoon with friend. Light touching leads to fingering, leads to me being balls deep inside her furry little snatch (second day in bar only) when my girl comes back.
Friend negotiates for her, we settle on 2000 for the girl and threesome ensues.
Threesome lite, just me playing with them. Finally get to fulfill my fantasy of stacking a couple of girls and swooping back and forth between their pussies. Cherry girl complains my dick is too big and hurt her pussy. Spinner takes it like a champ.
Finally cum in my spinner again and watch it just dribble out onto the other girl.
Staying another night before making plans.
This bargirl shit is very expensive compared to dating site girls.
This bargirl shit is very expensive compared to dating site girls.Combine the two by getting the bargirls' numbers. Assuming your not a total douche, most will be happy to drop by on the way to work. Given the slow nights, she may even be without a customer for the night and give you a call. You already know her / their cash rate is 2 k per night. That's a lot better than barfine plus tips plus drinks plus plus plus.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. Good reports as well. Keep them up. 👍.
Last night in Makati. Intended to have a quiet one, maybe get a dating site girl over. Best laid plans.
Checked out Lions Pride after dinner. Just older girls. Bought one 37 year old a lady drink and had a chat for a while. Nice girl.
Checked out dimples, nautica, bourbon, nothing much happening. Had a look in Lips and much fewer girls than the previous night. To be expected. Mamasans are still annoying and right in your face. Trying to thrust the uggos at you. The girls all just sit around in groups. I suspect they'd get more business if they walked the floor a little more. Spot a girl you like and she vanishes off into a backroom, never to be seen again.
Got annoyed and nothing there that could overcome fucking twice a day for the last two weeks, so left after two beers.
Headed to V8. For my money the best girl bar in Makati. Bice Central stage, girls in lingerie and mamasans who are attentive without being pushy.
Sat and was immediately joined by the surprise threesome girl from last night. Bought her a lady drink and had a chat. Fun girl.
Spotted a girl who I'd been lusting after since I got in there the first time, but had always been busy with groups of high rollers. Send threesome girl over to get her.
Tall slim, pretty girl, 20 years old, about 5'4, perfect smooth skin (no tattoos), small pert beasts, flat stomach, a whole lotta ass, long legs. She was dressed in high heels and sexy black lingerie.
Had some more drinks with both girls, played connect four, danced on the stage some. The girls in v8 get quite naughty. Snog you, show you their pussy, grab your dick, grind on you, get the breasts out.
Had fun so stayed longer than I intended to, finally batefined the tall drink of water about 3 am.
Both hungry, so we headed to Jolibee on the way back to my hotel. This is where I felt the previously sweet girl started playing games. We eat in baby, we eat in baby. Ie, delay going back to the room.
Finally got back and she wants a shower. Oh, no shower cap. Call reception baby. Reception take an age to bring it. I'm getting irritated, finally put her in the shower and bring her the cap halfway through. Join her, some light kissing and groping. Fucking shower went on forever. I leave her in there and go dry. She's taking ages.
I set a mental time limit of another two minutes, before I'm kicking her out and staying another night in Manila to go get my barfine back out of pure spite.
She appears and I'm glad I put up with her antics. That literally flawless body glistening from the shower.
Foreplay, kissing, oral both ways including 69,shr gets soaking wet and definitely cums.
Pull her on top for cowgirl and she's grinding herself on me. 'You have condom?' 'Not have. ' She hops on and we're off to the races. Really hard, energetic fucking from the both of us. Switching between doggy, various cowgirl styles, missionary, prone bone as one or both of us get tired. She's making the hottest moans and gasps, she's soaking wet and responding to my 'I'm going to cum baby' with 'Not cum yet, not cum yet. ' Super determined to get herself off on my dick again. She does in cowgirl, grinding herself to a shrieking, sheet wetting orgasm. I flip her over after into prone bone and just hammer into her, finally cumming deep inside after a good 45 minutes of vigorous fucking.
She's a little annoyed at that, but in my defence she didn't say not to.
After showers, we cuddle in the bed and chat. Smart girl, gull of plans to get out of the game.
Eventually I nod off, wake up a couple of hours later about 7 am. We'd agreed she'd stay till 10 am. She has just been lying there for a couple of hours playing on her phone. 'I can't sleep baby. ' Mentally consider whether I can face the prospect of another round, decide I can't and let her go.
Find attached a few snaps of the tiny spinner from the previous night, one of the tall annoying beauty.
El Moreno 92
05-16-22, 06:40
Last night in Makati. Intended to have a quiet one, maybe get a dating site girl over. Best laid plans.
Checked out Lions Pride after dinner. Just older girls. Bought one 37 year old a lady drink and had a chat for a while. Nice girl.
Checked out dimples, nautica, bourbon, nothing much happening. Had a look in Lips and much fewer girls than the previous night. To be expected. Mamasans are still annoying and right in your face. Trying to thrust the uggos at you. The girls all just sit around in groups. I suspect they'd get more business if they walked the floor a little more. Spot a girl you like and she vanishes off into a backroom, never to be seen again.
Got annoyed and nothing there that could overcome fucking twice a day for the last two weeks, so left after two beers.
Headed to V8. For my money the best girl bar in Makati. Bice Central stage, girls in lingerie and mamasans who are attentive without being pushy.
Sat and was immediately joined by the surprise threesome girl from last night. Bought her a lady drink and had a chat. Fun girl.
Spotted a girl who I'd been lusting after since I got in there the first time, but had always been busy with groups of high rollers. Send threesome girl over to get her.
Tall slim, pretty girl, 20 years old, about 5'4, perfect smooth skin (no tattoos), small pert beasts, flat stomach, a whole lotta ass, long legs. She was dressed in high heels and sexy black lingerie.
Had some more drinks with both girls, played connect four, danced on the stage some. The girls in v8 get quite naughty. Snog you, show you their pussy, grab your dick, grind on you, get the breasts out.
Had fun so stayed longer than I intended to, finally batefined the tall drink of water about 3 am.
Both hungry, so we headed to Jolibee on the way back to my hotel. This is where I felt the previously sweet girl started playing games. We eat in baby, we eat in baby. Ie, delay going back to the room.
Finally got back and she wants a shower. Oh, no shower cap. Call reception baby. Reception take an age to bring it. I'm getting irritated, finally put her in the shower and bring her the cap halfway through. Join her, some light kissing and groping. Fucking shower went on forever. I leave her in there and go dry. She's taking ages.
I set a mental time limit of another two minutes, before I'm kicking her out and staying another night in Manila to go get my barfine back out of pure spite.
She appears and I'm glad I put up with her antics. That literally flawless body glistening from the shower.
Foreplay, kissing, oral both ways including 69,shr gets soaking wet and definitely cums.
Pull her on top for cowgirl and she's grinding herself on me. 'You have condom?' 'Not have. ' She hops on and we're off to the races. Really hard, energetic fucking from the both of us. Switching between doggy, various cowgirl styles, missionary, prone bone as one or both of us get tired. She's making the hottest moans and gasps, she's soaking wet and responding to my 'I'm going to cum baby' with 'Not cum yet, not cum yet. ' Super determined to get herself off on my dick again. She does in cowgirl, grinding herself to a shrieking, sheet wetting orgasm. I flip her over after into prone bone and just hammer into her, finally cumming deep inside after a good 45 minutes of vigorous fucking.
She's a little annoyed at that, but in my defence she didn't say not to.
After showers, we cuddle in the bed and chat. Smart girl, gull of plans to get out of the game.
Eventually I nod off, wake up a couple of hours later about 7 am. We'd agreed she'd stay till 10 am. She has just been lying there for a couple of hours playing on her phone. 'I can't sleep baby. ' Mentally consider whether I can face the prospect of another round, decide I can't and let her go.
Find attached a few snaps of the tiny spinner from the previous night, one of the tall annoying beauty.Nice! Looks like a winner! I love bodies like that on a girl.
In the next two weeks I will be travelling to Alabang with family and will stay in that area for a week. I had been there about 2 years back ands never found a place for our hobby. Anyone who has any knowledge I would appreciate the information. Thank you.
WestCoast1
05-17-22, 19:31
For those needing laundry in Makati / Burgos area. Talk Dirty, located on Durban street, between Makati Ave and Burgos street, just past the alley next to Oxford Suites. On one side of Talk Dirty is Oxford Suites, on the other side is Durban Street Inn. In addition, pre-pandemic, several SW would hang there nightly. So if you need laundry, its TD. Or if you need laundry + release, try TD after dark.
AsianPursuits
05-17-22, 23:36
In the next two weeks I will be travelling to Alabang with family and will stay in that area for a week. I had been there about 2 years back ands never found a place for our hobby. Anyone who has any knowledge I would appreciate the information. Thank you.Quite a few girls on Pinalove in Alabang.
Gen X Baer
05-18-22, 02:21
In the next two weeks I will be travelling to Alabang with family and will stay in that area for a week. I had been there about 2 years back ands never found a place for our hobby. Anyone who has any knowledge I would appreciate the information. Thank you.Been here for almost a month. My rates fir Tinder, Pinay love, and other apps arnt so hot to be honest. Have been relying more on a massage place where the receptionist and I have become close so when he finds a masseuse willing ue will shoot me a message. Sends her over on premises it's a home massage (800 Php) and then when girl arrives 2 k in her pocket. It's a decent setup for ST and if I want the girl out within hour or 1 hr30 min. If you are desperate and need that let me know otherwise good luck. Hope you find some hidden secret I've been missing!
AsianPursuits
05-18-22, 07:04
Been here for almost a month. My rates fir Tinder, Pinay love, and other apps arnt so hot to be honest. Have been relying more on a massage place where the receptionist and I have become close so when he finds a masseuse willing ue will shoot me a message. Sends her over on premises it's a home massage (800 Php) and then when girl arrives 2 k in her pocket. It's a decent setup for ST and if I want the girl out within hour or 1 hr30 min. If you are desperate and need that let me know otherwise good luck. Hope you find some hidden secret I've been missing!I am surprised that you haven't had much luck there. Just got here today. Staying at Shangri-la closer to Greenbelt than Pablicon. Saw one girl online on PL, got her CP & FB. She has come over already. Tidy 19 yo package, no kids. A little jollibee belly. Maybe she's the only one but I doubt it.
Gen X Baer
05-19-22, 03:53
I am surprised that you haven't had much luck there. Just got here today. Staying at Shangri-la closer to Greenbelt than Pablicon. Saw one girl online on PL, got her CP & FB. She has come over already. Tidy 19 yo package, no kids. A little jollibee belly. Maybe she's the only one but I doubt it.I'm using the app DIA. Perhaps PL is worth a shot LOL.
MohdirFan82
05-19-22, 03:53
Been here for almost a month. My rates fir Tinder, Pinay love, and other apps aren't so hot, to be honest. Have been relying more on a massage place where the receptionist and I have become close so when he finds a masseuse willing ue will shoot me a message. Sends her over on-premises it's a home massage (800 Php) and then when the girl arrives 2 k in her pocket. It's a decent setup for ST and if I want the girl out within an hour or 1 hr30 min. If you are desperate and need that let me know otherwise good luck. Hope you find some hidden secret I've been missing!I just returned from the Philippines yesterday. In my experience, it's useless to use a dating site unless you like to spend most of your time with some girl.
Most girls in PL, or FC live away from Makati so only their mode of transportation is relying on public transportation or you get her Grab or Angkas.
When its rain, its crazy traffic, you can't really find any taxi or grab taxi easily. I stayed mostly close to L. A cafe, and generally grab my girls from La cafe.
Lots of choices in La cafes.
AsianPursuits
05-20-22, 00:03
I'm here in Makati now and kind of agree with MohdirFan82.
I have spent countless hours on Pina, Badoo, Tagged, WeChat & Tinder with maybe 400 total contacts bubbling along in various states of play. Some are wonderful and then say, oh, I'm in Dumaguete etc. But that being said I have a pipeline of good ones that are turning up on schedule.
The most effective line which I think Goferring gave me here was "Hi, I'm in Makati Greenbelt now. Want to have a drink?
In any case, whatever is our method, there are far more girls here than any of us could have imagined.
AsianPursuits
05-20-22, 00:22
I ventured down to Burgos last night to have a look. I tried a couple of bars and they were kind of dead when I peeked my head in.
Settled into Dimples bar which was the busiest I had found. I think I was the only customer when I entered and was quickly surround by girls, mamasans, waitresses. It was overwhelming TBH. Just give me one beer and let me rest. Got the beer but each mamasan would cycle through with her posse of girls.
Then one mama says, tell me Sir, what is your perfect girl? By now I'm getting tired of this place and the hassles. OK, I like 19, tall, no kids, slim spinner.
Snaps her finger and my dream girl arrives. Of course I buy her a LD which the bar serves up as a cheap tequila shot. Tall, slender and nice. After a while she suggests that I should feel her perfect ass. It was indeed perfect. Her language skills were not excellent but she was nice.
BF here was P3 K. She said she had been told not to accept tip under P5 K. I didn't like this price fixing that she had been 'told'.
Anyway, I thanks her for her time and head out.
Got hassled some more by ladyboy massage gathering at the end of the street. Add in a few street kid beggars and I had had enough.
Probably a little bit of travel and sex exhaustion, I headed home alone as I had work overnight anyway. I feel that the Burgos area is so desperate for visitors that those that do visit are just being taken for granted. It really shouldn't be this hard.
For me, it was probably just my mood, a bit tired.
Gen X Baer
05-20-22, 02:28
I am surprised that you haven't had much luck there. Just got here today. Staying at Shangri-la closer to Greenbelt than Pablicon. Saw one girl online on PL, got her CP & FB. She has come over already. Tidy 19 yo package, no kids. A little jollibee belly. Maybe she's the only one but I doubt it.Looking forward to a FR on this BTW. Maybe liven up the pic thread?
The most effective line which I think Goferring gave me here was "Hi, I'm in Makati Greenbelt now. Want to have a drink?
Thanks for the shout out.
Yes, that works much better than "I'm in Nebraska. How much for anal when I arrive next month?"
Another, perhaps more direct, line, when asked if you are actually in town, is to send her a photo of 1000 p under your hotel room key.
"You left this behind. When will you come and pick it up?
Yes, I'm a classy guy. 🤣
Enjoy. G.
AsianPursuits
05-20-22, 05:16
Looking forward to a FR on this BTW. Maybe liven up the pic thread?Hmmm, so here goes. I have been screwing around on pinalove with lot of profiles. I made a paid subscription so I can send messages. That was a good investment. Girls from all over the area though and now I am wishing I had two profiles. One for AC and one for Makati. I have had lots of confused messages when I get the girl's location mixed up. Who cares, just move on if it's a problem.
There was one pretty 19 yo one on pina, her profile just says something like.
Hi (name) is my name.
If you want to add me on facebook this is me name (real Full name).
Add me in WhatsApp if you are interested.
+63 (number).
SO that's not much detail but I did notice she was online pinalove. I send her a PL message and also a whatsapp. My whatsapp was just "Hi, I'm here in Makati Greenbelt 5. Want to meet? She replied and we swapped basic conversation, "Where you live?, Where you from? What you looking for? . Offered for her to meet and she said she would just come to my hotel. I said I would meet her in the Foyer. Sure enough over the next 30 minutes I got updates as to her location, she's on MRT, she's going to market, she's on a trike all with progress pics and location links.
True to her word she did arrive in street clothes, green top and black shorts. Runner shows, handbag. A light travellers that's for sure.
Hotel security looked in her bag and checked her Vax card. Then we are up to the room. At this stage I'm still not really what she is offering. To make some small talk I offer her a drink and some bar snacks form the in-room menu.
She accepts a cold water only. More small talk and she suggests she would like to get changed. OK sweetheart let's see what you have. She removes her shoes and packs them away to my cupboard. She has a shower / wash in my bathroom and later emerges in similar clothes. Top is a little tighter and a little more revealing. She obviously feels more relaxed being clean and having washed 'manila transport' off her skin. She smells lovely and tells me her perfume is "Vanilla something'.
More small talk and I invite her to sit on the bed while I do some work. Then I say, hey, how much you weight, let me see if you can squash me. So she sits on top of me on the bed and things just sort of progress from there.
She tells me she will graduate senior high soon. Whoa. So how old are you? She is 18 years 6 months, 47 kgs. I ask to check her ID. In my room is a fucking goddess.
SO we have the first round about 4 pm. We go out to mag-inasal (her choice) for dinner. We have another round after dinner. She wakes me in the night with some gentle mouth action, another round. We both go back to sleep until about 8. More chat and another round before she thinks to leave. I offer her a hotel breakfast but she prefer Filipino breakfast of dried fish and garlic rice.
I sent her on her way with a tip packed away in her handbag.
I have a feeling I will repeat her this weekend. She says she is keen. I guess I will repeat with her unless one of you guys find her also.
Thanks for the shout out.
Yes, that works much better than "I'm in Nebraska. How much for anal when I arrive next month?"
Another, perhaps more direct, line, when asked if you are actually in town, is to send her a photo of 1000 p under your hotel room key.
"You left this behind. When will you come and pick it up?
Yes, I'm a classy guy. 🤣
Enjoy. G.Absolutely brilliant.
AsianPursuits
05-21-22, 03:43
Continuing my action on dating apps and having invested way too much time I invited a girl for dinner last night. She has a legitimate intelligent job with real qualifications. She specified she doesn't date everyone, very cautious and she says "no idiots" as she has been burnt before. We met at the mall away from my hotel. She was another one that was giving me updates at each intermodal transport stop form when she left Cavite. So by the time she arrived she had had quite the journey. She was still fresh looking all the same when she appeared wearing mask.
I haven't yet got used to judging by mask and I'm rushing to get us to decide on a restaurant so she can sit down and remove her mask. She chooses a rather expensive place (by PH standards) and we are soon seated. She removed her mask and she is lovely. We have some good conversation and I discover she is an overseas contract manager based in Saudi. That might explain her restaurant choice. She's not the standard house maid OFW. We have a good dinner and then out of the blue she says "Let's get the rest as takeaway and go to your hotel". Magic words.
In the room not much happens and she seems genuinely tired. Apart from the journey Cavite to Makati she had been in public transport for 7 hours. On the bed watching Netflix I'm trying to progress things but she just isn't into it. We do have some nice long kisses but that's where things stop. Now at this stage I know you guys are thinking I should boot her out but I don't. Instead we go to sleep together, me naked and she fully clothed.
In the middle of the night I offer her a night shirt to get changed and she takes up the offer. I'm heading back to sleep and have resigned myself to a quiet night. No problems had a nice conversation, learned lots about life in Saudi.
Sometime later I am awoken with her fingers slowly stroking the old fella into life. I am not even sure she is awake but something is happening. I stroke her legs a little and her playing continues and goes further. She gets naked also and we have a nice time together.
We have another round when we awoke at 8 this morning. I offer her breakfast but she declines and chooses to head off back to her family. Nothing was expected as she certainly doesn't need money. Maybe she just needed a cock before she headed back to Saudi.
Turns out she is leaving Monday. Maybe I will get a few more shots on Sunday night.
Life is full of surprises and I am enjoying the variety of experiences here.
Gen X Baer
05-21-22, 04:48
Continuing my action on dating apps and having invested way too much time I invited a girl for dinner last night. She has a legitimate intelligence...
We have another round when we awoke at 8 this morning. I offer her breakfast but she declines and chooses to head off back to her family. Nothing was expected as she certainly doesn't need money. Maybe she just n
Life is full of surprises and I am enjoying the variety of experiences here.Pics! Pics or didn't happen 😂 partially cause I'm happy and jealous of your continued success. More jealous 😜 maybe I need to notch down my preference. I only tend to look for slim and busty girls and that's so rare here.
Gen X Baer
05-21-22, 05:15
Bit the bullet and headed to Burgos last night from Alabang.
Grab is a ***** now a days for some reason but after 1 hour of searching got one ride over.
Ride cost: 570 PHP.
Highway toll: 180 PHP (I think).
Arrived in burgos and first stop V8 as I heard this is the spot.
Atmosphere: Semi club with a small stage in middle with poles. This was around midnight and wasn't packed. Probably due to rain.
Got a cola as alcohol off table due to liver issues.
Recon info.
Bar fine: 3 k-4 k.
Ladies tip: Apparently 5 k-6 k.
Cola: 200 PHP.
Settled bill to explore more. No girl taken. Just exploring.
Walked towards Makati Palace saw a building painted just black. Motioned to take a look. No signs of establishment but it's called Neon lights according to guard. No slim and big tittied girls so exit. Didn't bother to ask.
Further down visit Lips. First floor has a pool table and empty. A few girls maybe 10 but no one my type. Guard suggested I take a look upstairs. Upstairs environment a bit more lively and very spacious. Has guests but still not as pumping or lively as V8. Red themed. Roughly 3 girls to 1 guy ratio and counting maybe 16 guys. However no girls my style so walked out.
Orange juice: 170 PHP.
Bar fine: 2800-3000 PHP.
Tip: 5 k-6 k.
Saw one girl who was slim and had a nice set of titts but her energy on stage and walking around was a dead fish. Worried that might carry into the bedroom so didn't bother.
Dimples next stop. Small establishment. A lot more energetic than lips 2nd floor. Looks dark and shady. Girls were shouting and having fun but again none my type. Grabbed water to hydrate while looking around.
Water: 100 PHP.
Decided best course is V8 just to enjoy and not take a loss on the trip.
Thankfully I did as when I came back the guard and waiter that welcomed me before let out a hoot and motioned me in. There were less guests now and a cute little minx walked by flat tummy and average breasts. She started a Convo and as she was kind entertained. She asked if I could get her a ladies drink and I shared if I do she'd have to let me suck on her titts. She agreed. So had some fun with her titts. She tried to sneak a cig from me, which of course I shared for a cig she would have to again work for it. She asked what I wanted and I told her I was curious if pinays had pink or white pussies. She laughed and discreetly lowered her panties to let me take a good look.
Introduced her friend to me within finishing her first LD and we had a great conversation. Rhea suggested I but her friend a drink. I told her my budget is 4 drinks total. Asked if she wanted to use 1 of her 4 to give go her friend Baby. She said yes. Welcomed Baby to the table and shared the same, 1 drink for a good feel and licking of the nipples. She agreed.
This fun banter wnet back and forth for the remaining 2 drinks and cigarette exchanges. The girls do get Handsy with you if you are fun and carry good conversation. At one point both of them were playing with my cock over the pants under table while my hands were carresing their ass cracks. Baby on my left. Rhea on my right.
4 am and the bar starts closing as no guests and I've had my fun. Settled bill.
4 ladies drink: (300+150) x 4: 2200.
Cola: 200.
Water: ? Forgot.
A small tip also given to Rhea and Baby for their fun. Total came out to 2800 PHP roughly.
Searched for a grab and another 30 min went by. Was able to finally get 6 seater cause no other choice.
Grab: 670 PHP.
Well that's my PR for my first experience in Burgos. No pics as none my type and to be honesti feel the bar fine and ladies tip is a joke. Way too expensive. In Boracay or Cebu could get a girl to visit for 5 hoirs for 2 k.
AsianPursuits
05-22-22, 00:56
Pics! Pics or didn't happen 😂 partially cause I'm happy and jealous of your continued success. More jealous 😜 maybe I need to notch down my preference. I only tend to look for slim and busty girls and that's so rare here.You need to spend more time around Greenbelt. Grab a Shangri-ia or Peninsular online deal.
I'm not one for the pics. I don't pursue the pic thread or contribute, that's just not me.
FuriousGeorge
05-22-22, 09:24
Too expensive? My philosophy is that you come here to relax, it's a vacation. And additionally you get to have sex with super hot petite girls bareback for $70. How anybody can complain about that is beyond my understanding. And also if you're good looking and have some game you have hundreds of girls who fall in love with you with no financial agreement. It's the best.
AsianPursuits
05-22-22, 23:09
I invited my little 19 yo spinner to repeat last night. She was great again.
One observation I want to make is that I for the past week I have really be specifying (to myself) that I want girls without kids. Yes, there are lots of willing, attractive moms. But the girl without kids has a different focus. Instead of desperately needing money to send to her family or pay for kids supplies, she can talk about her life and her career. It is just different, not right or wrong, just different.
When it comes time for me to seek out a sensible long term filipina partner I think I would:
Want a filipina 10 years older than my current targets.
Want a girl whose parents have passed away.
Maybe the youngest of siblings (not the oldest who in pinoy culture carries the burden).
Has a legitimate job.
That's just my thoughts for now. For now, I'm not currently seeking more than fun.
When it comes time for me to seek out a sensible long term filipina partner I think I would:
Want a filipina 10 years older than my current targets.
Want a girl whose parents have passed away.
Maybe the youngest of siblings (not the oldest who in pinoy culture carries the burden).
Has a legitimate job.
That's just my thoughts for now. For now, I'm not currently seeking more than fun.Tall order. Most older girls have one or two kids already. Most have been married or widowed. Most have been rejected by their boyfriends. Most educated having good jobs will not be interested in much older foreigners. They will be ridiculed in their circle. It is the poor mostly uneducated girls who want a sugar daddy or sugar husband to take care of them.
It does not matter if the parents are alive. It is their extended family who are the problem if you marry. There will always be demands for this and that. Case in point. I had a beautiful GF who was with me 2-3 years. I made the mistake of going to her house. Sure enough her extended family was there and I had to take care of the expenses of drinks and food. Her uncle had the audacity to ask me if he could borrow 200000 pesos for some business venture although I just met him.
Most jobs are contract jobs in private sector. Very hard to get government jobs without connections.
AsianPursuits
05-23-22, 04:53
Tall order. Most older girls have one or two kids already. Most have been married or widowed. Most have been rejected by their boyfriends. Most educated having good jobs will not be interested in much older foreigners. They will be ridiculed in their circle. It is the poor mostly uneducated girls who want a sugar daddy or sugar husband to take care of them.I know it's a tall order. It's for the future. Kind of sad that we successful foreigners are getting the bottom of the barrel poorest girls.
I had a GF in Cebu. She was almost perfect. Parents passed away. Only one older brother. I just remember that it was so nice with her without the outside financial pressures.
AsianPursuits
05-23-22, 05:08
After a few years of covid imposed exile one observation I forgot to mention was the roughness of my low class Filipinas. It wasn't my first night or second night but I remember on the third night the girl I was holding had such rough hands. I was questioning whether I had a brickie or a ladyboy. I know their hands get rough from all the hand washing. One benefit is they have a strong wrist.
Just picking up on the topic raised by Gen X Baer and FuriousGeorge of is Makati expensive, I would say that yes, Makati is a lot more expensive than pre-pandemic, and is the most expensive place in the Philippines for our hobby.
To put this into context, the main customer base that visited P. Burgos street pre-pandemic was basically 3 categories of customers 1) business travelers, 2) those on holiday in the Philippines, 3) local ex-pats; some of the local Philippines did visit P. Burgos Street, but it was very clearly aimed at high volume short stay ex-pats who wanted fun, and was priced accordingly.
Since P. Burgos street has re-opened over the last 5 months following COVID there are a few distinct differences between now and pre-pandemic. 1) the amount of venues open is I would estimate 1/4 what it used to be, so competition isn't truly there yet; 2) the amount of available customers is a lot less than before with about 50% of the customers I see as category 1 and 2 as mentioned above while the rest are local ex-pats (myself now included). The reason for this is simple, for business travelers, most local businesses are still mostly working 75% from home, so there is little point in travelling and risking quarantine for limited days of actual business interaction currently, and while International travel is open, we still don't see the availability in flights as before combined with high risk still of getting trapped or stuck somewhere at least for the time being.
So less high spending customers, less venues open, of course the bars that are open will try to get as much as then can from those who turn up (increased bar fines and drinks), another small impact is that the local currency is slowly gaining in strength against some of the major currencies, so those converting money across are starting to get a little less bang for their buck.
The only real positive from this current situation is in those places that are open, it is somewhat of a buyers market (I. E. Picking the girl who appeals to you the most), and there is an influx of higher quality young ladies I would say, combined with a fairly high turn over rate as I tend to see lots of new faces in bars I go back to.
The bar fine which is set by the bar in general has gone up, mostly it's between 3-4 K (pre-pandemic was 2-3 k) which does not include the fun time with the girl, that will cost extra, and usually you need to buy a couple of ladies drinks when deciding and negotiating with the lady in question, ladies drinks range from 300-350 Php in my experience, maybe a bit more some places but I could have been drunk then.
My recent observations in updates to the street is that Bourbon Bar which survived in the pandemic by being a restaurant and bar, has now got rid of the pool table and is on a path to being a girly bar, very pushy in there with trying to get you to buy ladies drinks and offer lucky tips. The food is still OK there, for now.
For those interested: Friday night is by far the busiest night, with the widest selection of ladies available, followed by Thursday and the other mid-week days. On Sundays there is no girly bars open much before 8 pm, the only exception I saw was Bourbon (I checked yesterday), I think during the week the girly bars might be open a little earlier.
My choices here (as an local ex-pat) are fairly limited as to where I go in Manila, it's basically P. Burgos for bar hopping and a wider good selection of ladies (and higher prices), or I can take a taxi and head to LA Café, which is cheaper by a long shot, but has less choice in ladies and venues in the area. The EDSA complex that opened some years ago didn't make it through the pandemic and is unlikely to re-open as I understand it. Other choices include going to night clubs such as Royal and some in other areas, but that is a topic for another thread of which there are a lot more experienced forum members than I am in that area.
Outside of that, it's excursions out of Manila to Angeles and other areas, which is cheaper again than anywhere in Manila in general, I guess it's down to your situation, location and available time as to where you choose go.
Choose wisely and do your research on cultural differences. Lots of pitfalls.
It is a rare occurrence to meet a filipina who does not eventually try to siphon some of your cash for her extended family. They will play the long game as they know there is a huge payoff in either cash or immigration. It does not matter if it's a farm-girl or a doctor.
Case in point. In the early 1980's when I was in my late 20's and a seasoned PI enthusiast I met a doctor in Manila at a party. I was in the Navy at the time. We spoke all of 30-minutes and later exchanged a few letters. A few months later I was at a follow-on duty assignment in London, UK and she proposed marriage, telling me something about offering me her body, or something like that. I'm thinking WTF?
It was obvious it was an immigration attempt, like every other filipina I met during a 3-year assignment in Subic. Only this one had a professional job.
In another example I met, through a friend, a member of the "Crispa" basketball team and his circle of well to do friends. We went out for drinks. Well, when the bill came around they all expected me to pay and made excuses they did not have enough money although they were staying at a nice hotel.
I think it's an ingrained behavior to circle the wagons and milk the foreigner to the benefit of the clan. Therefore I go in with my eyes open. I'll be there again this June and will treat the girls well, pay my way, have fun and return home.
If you are expecting any young girl from anywhere in the world to be genuinely excited to spend the rest of her life with an old man I've got a bridge to sell you. She is compromising for financial security and a sense of duty / sacrifice to her family.
If I were to take the plunge I would not marry. I would move to an upscale Philippine Island seaside community and develop a social network of filipina "friends with benefits".
My two cents.
I invited my little 19 yo spinner to repeat last night. She was great again.
One observation I want to make is that I for the past week I have really be specifying (to myself) that I want girls without kids. Yes, there are lots of willing, attractive moms. But the girl without kids has a different focus. Instead of desperately needing money to send to her family or pay for kids supplies, she can talk about her life and her career. It is just different, not right or wrong, just different.
When it comes time for me to seek out a sensible long term filipina partner I think I would:
Want a filipina 10 years older than my current targets.
Want a girl whose parents have passed away.
Maybe the youngest of siblings (not the oldest who in pinoy culture carries the burden).
Has a legitimate job.
That's just my thoughts for now. For now, I'm not currently seeking more than fun.
Choose wisely and do your research on cultural differences.
She is compromising for financial security and a sense of duty / sacrifice to her family.
If I were to take the plunge I would not marry. I would move to an upscale Philippine Island seaside community and develop a social network of filipina "friends with benefits".
My two cents.Interesting and valuable insights (wink and thumbs up).
GoodEnough
05-23-22, 10:42
Interesting and valuable insights (wink and thumbs up).Gaining some understanding of "cultural differences" is always worthwhile, regardless of the country under discussion. As is often the case however, one's definition of "Philippines Culture" will vary enormously depending on the socio-economic level of the family, the extent and type of education to which a given person has been exposed, the ethnic / clan group to which a given person belongs, the relationship to family and of course the geographic location in which any given person grew up, priot relationship experiences and others too numerous to mention. Generalizing about national culture in an archipelagic country is even riskier, given the enormous range of subcultures, languages, mores and clan / tribal customs that exist here. I suggest that anyone exploring the possibility of a longer-term relationship try to understand all of these variables before coming to an accurate conclusion. In my case none of the generalizations stated in recent posts would apply. Nor would they apply to any of my friends here who have been in decades-long relationships. I'm not denigrating anyone's point of view. However, I would caution those who believe they understand the culture to take a step back and question their own conclusions.
I remember reading a couple of papers written by Professors of Sociology from UP and Ateneo de Manila, concluding that the post-colonial Philippines had failed in an attempt to create a national culture. While I don't remember the names of the people who wrote them or the titles of the papers, I understand the point of view. The taxonomy of socio-cultural values here tends to expand outward, from family, to tribe, to clan to province to country and these values can differ significantly from place to place. I would extend this premise to those who come here for the primary purpose of finding willing short-term partners. Again there's no disparagement implied or intended with that comment, but that's an entirely different subculture that overlaps only marginally with the other socio-cultural variables I've mentioned.
Succinctly, there's an enormous difference in insight that comes from living for a protracted period in a given locale and visiting the latter for a few weeks, even if those visits are repeated multiple times. In my 2+ decades of living here, I've met countless, intelligent and well meaning Western men who, having visited the place multiple times, firmly believed that they understood the culture only to realize, after 6 months or so, that they really had no clue. In some cases, they were left sadder but wiser.
Again, I mean no condescension with this post, and folks are surely free to do, think and feel however they like. I merely wanted to add a somewhat cautionary note about the dangers of over-generalizing.
GE.
AsianPursuits
05-23-22, 14:00
When it comes time for me to seek out a sensible long term filipina partner I think I would:..Thanks for the various aspects arising from this statement. Definitely I have lots to learn. For now I am happy being a happy tourist.
I would like to emphasize this is "The International Sex Guide" (ISG) not a correspondence course on cultural assimilation and nuances of international relationships. The fourm exists to assist in sharing members experiences with the small percentage of a countries female population who will exchange sex for money and negotiating the best possible deal.
Posts are primarily biased toward interactions with prostitutes across the global demographic, seasoned with close-ups of genitalia and facials. For those that seek a life partner there are, in my observation, forums that specialize in those experiences.
Occasionally an ISG member reaches out for a sanity check when smitten by an "entrepreneur" with a great sales pitch. Usually someone comes to the rescue with sage advice that may save the member time, money and the emotional stress generally associated with poor relationship decisions.
Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things. It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.
Gaining some understanding of "cultural differences" is always worthwhile, regardless of the country under discussion. As is often the case however, one's definition of "Philippines Culture" will vary enormously depending on the socio-economic level of the family, the extent and type of education to which a given person has been exposed, the ethnic / clan group to which a given person belongs, the relationship to family and of course the geographic location in which any given person grew up, priot relationship experiences and others too numerous to mention. Generalizing about national culture in an archipelagic country is even riskier, given the enormous range of subcultures, languages, mores and clan / tribal customs that exist here. I suggest that anyone exploring the possibility of a longer-term relationship try to understand all of these variables before coming to an accurate conclusion. In my case none of the generalizations stated in recent posts would apply. Nor would they apply to any of my friends here who have been in decades-long relationships. I'm not denigrating anyone's point of view. However, I would caution those who believe they understand the culture to take a step back and question their own conclusions.
I remember reading a couple of papers written by Professors of Sociology from UP and Ateneo de Manila, concluding that the post-colonial Philippines had failed in an attempt to create a national culture. While I don't remember the names of the people who wrote them or the titles of the papers, I understand the point of view. The taxonomy of socio-cultural values here tends to expand outward, from family, to tribe, to clan to province to country and these values can differ significantly from place to place. I would extend this premise to those who come here for the primary purpose of finding willing short-term partners. Again there's no disparagement implied or intended with that comment, but that's an entirely different subculture that overlaps only marginally with the other socio-cultural variables I've mentioned.
Succinctly, there's an enormous difference in insight that comes from living for a protracted period in a given locale and visiting the latter for a few weeks, even if those visits are repeated multiple times. In my 2+ decades of living here, I've met countless, intelligent and well meaning Western men who, having visited the place multiple times, firmly believed that they understood the culture only to realize, after 6 months or so, that they really had no clue. In some cases, they were left sadder but wiser.
Again, I mean no condescension with this post, and folks are surely free to do, think and feel however they like. I merely wanted to add a somewhat cautionary note about the dangers of over-generalizing.
GE.
GoodEnough
05-25-22, 02:51
Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things. It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.Thanks for the reminder. Yours is likely the most sage advice provided here for a while and I'll try to restrain myself from commenting on generalizations outside of the context you describe.
GE.
WestCoast1
05-25-22, 04:36
It's really a shame more countries could not be like Germany with clean licensed FKK clubs (Brothels) in nearly every city or within a reasonable drive. They have, in my opinion, saved quite a few marriages.Not sure of the marriages saved, but the anti-prostitute invective in some countries can be amazing.
Just buy a ticket, get laid and have a ball and go home to reality until the next Disneyland adventure. Don't complicate things.
Thanks for the reminder. Yours is likely the most sage advice provided here for a while and I'll try to restrain myself from commenting on generalizations outside of the context you describe.Certainly there is room on the board to be inclusive of both the 2-week warrior (probably the bulk of us), and also the long-time regulars who have lived in-country for years? As we have the warriors, the expats, others who would hope for future mates, and lurkers here, I would think that lessons in culture might be worthwhile for some members.
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