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MadisonGuy
06-26-11, 05:26
I won't be going back for a repeat with her, I think my one and only bareback will be my last for a while. I have been to AC 3 times and only did bareback with 1 girl and got the clap, I think I will stick to rubbers from now on. But the BBBJ is still on for me, I will take my chances there.I did some research on the clap since I really only knew that it's something I didn't want to get. But from what I found out I may have already had it. It seems some people are some what immune, others show less symptoms and like Sixteen said it's very easily treatable. Maybe my antibiotic cocktail I take after a monger trip has really saved me. I caught molluscum years ago from this fucking amazing looking spinner looked like jessica albas twin, and I saw a couple zit lookin things and figured it was razor burn and screwed on. But from then on I went by the rule, if it doesn't look or smell right grab the next piece of ass and don't risk it.

As far as HIV is concerned, I have to be honest. To me something doesn't add up, certainly if someone that had bareback sex caught it I highly doubt they would stop if they realized that got it and would probably spread it like a wild fire. So me thinks HIV is either not presented accurately or there's a very large number of people immune. With medicine making people with HIV live almost normal length of life it should make things worse but you don't see those HIV campaigns like you used to. I worry about herpes much more than HIV, but maybe that's just me.

Dex Xie
06-26-11, 06:20
Well I arrived in Makati and went to Havana the last couple nights. The first night was pretty aweful because I got drunk and overpaid on a runner because I didn't really bother to negotiate beforehand. I don't know what they put in their mojito's, but it was probably a good thing that she left because I started puking at 5am.

Second night there, I wanted to chat up some aged American guy obviously looking for a girl. I'm Asian and I guess I look kind of young, but this dumbf*k thought I was making a pass on him and told me something on the lines of "You're not my type". Good thing I was sober because I would've punched that guy in the face (and then some) if this was in the US. I eventually took someone back to the hotel. Paid 5k just because I wanted to GTFO. Was some mid-20s girl with a really cute face and nice body (minus the scarring from childbirth).

In general the girl:guy ratio at Havana seemed kind of low and there are definitely people there just having fun and not in the p4p scene. I think I'll check out MBC later.

Dwight Fry
06-26-11, 07:54
I don't think anyone will doubt that bareback feels 1000x better. The ranks of the Bareback Brigade keeps growing in spite of the casualties cause by the Clap. Frankly, most mongers see the Clap as an occupational hazard and pretty much no one covers up 100% of the time.Condoms are so thin these days you hardly know there on unless of course you have a limp dick.

FreebieFan
06-26-11, 13:05
Freebie, I had this exact situation last yr. The customs man in Manila made her call her father before she could pass thru customs with me. When I became angry and questioned him, he explained that she is very young and I could take her to "the big city" and take advantage of her. It all made sense. I would be prepared for this to happen to you as well.Thanks Devil1. Its a bit of lottery it seems. Would hate to get her a ticket and then she's denied boarding. Of course I would be taking advantage of her but quite willingly on her part LOL.

Chocha Monger
06-26-11, 22:27
Condoms are so thin these days you hardly know there on unless of course you have a limp dick.Actually, as a man ages he loses sensitivity in his penis. Only elderly mongers have difficulty noticing the difference between sex with a condom and sex without. Young buck mongers can appreciate the fine exquisite sensations of bareback riding silky wet hot pinay pussy. Of course, if you have a leathery weather beaten tool with dulled sensitivity due alcoholism, tobacco use, bad diet and obesity you'll never know what you're missing. ;)

Luvpuss
06-27-11, 01:20
Actually, as a man ages he loses sensitivity in his penis. Only elderly mongers have difficulty noticing the difference between sex with a condom and sex without. Young buck mongers can appreciate the fine exquisite sensations of bareback riding silky wet hot pinay pussy. Of course, if you have a leathery weather beaten tool with dulled sensitivity due alcoholism, tobacco use, bad diet and obesity you'll never know what you're missing. ;)You are right on with this. Everyone will find out in time. I am in my 50's and in good shape, yet sensitivity is an issue. That is why I go BB every chance I get.

Econo Tech
06-27-11, 03:05
Well I arrived in Makati and went to Havana the last couple nights. The first night was pretty aweful because I got drunk and overpaid on a runner because I didn't really bother to negotiate beforehand. I don't know what they put in their mojito's, but it was probably a good thing that she left because I started puking at 5am.I sympathise with you. Unless you are in good bars, stay away from cocktails of any kind.

Despite their self-declared service standards, Filipinos suck in service, vis-a-vis training.

They happily fuck up the Mojito with some crappy local rum, instead of good Coconut Rum, and trust me, the local rum smells like you haven't brushed your teeth for a month. And you may induce unconciousness on yourself, if you ever happen to smell your own breath, after a shot of the local crap.

And the other thing they do right royally is to never track use-by dates, and it is common to see WW2 vintage whiskey, which has been opened, and kept in the liquor cabinet, and any attempt to tell them that you should clear bottles after a month goes nowhere."my instructor said liquor never expires. Unlike Beer."

Stick to beer, if you are getting funny stuff and the only thing they do good is BEER! Thanks God for San Miguel.


Second night there, I wanted to chat up some aged American guy obviously looking for a girl. I'm Asian and I guess I look kind of young, but this dumbf*k thought I was making a pass on him and told me something on the lines of "You're not my type". Good thing I was sober because I would've punched that guy in the face (and then some) if this was in the US. I eventually took someone back to the hotel. Paid 5k just because I wanted to GTFO. Was some mid-20s girl with a really cute face and nice body (minus the scarring from childbirth).Well, maybe he assumed that all 'asian looking guys are faggards. .

As for Havana, if you go later, you get talent. Earlier the day, the more chance of natives just having a good time there. .

Screaming Beaver
06-27-11, 04:13
Of course, if you have a leathery weather beaten tool with dulled sensitivity due alcoholism, tobacco use, bad diet and obesity you'll never know what you're missing. ;)Absolutely right about the demographics of many here not to mention the regular posters who are in wheel chairs or have some other medical condition which prevents them in acheiving an errection. Their bareback days ended long ago.

Soapy Smith
06-27-11, 06:20
Only elderly mongers have difficulty noticing the difference between sex with a condom and sex without.Perhaps you could refer us to some research on the topic. I'm nearly 64 and within the past week had both covered and uncovered sex. I damn sure felt the difference. How old and leathery will I need to get before this problem takes effect?

GoodEnough
06-27-11, 15:20
I'm with Skip on this topic. I'm in my 60's and have yet to experience this loss of sensation. How many more years do I have until I get leathery and lose it all?

Mackin
06-27-11, 18:06
I plan on losing that loving feeling when I am dead, any one else fel that way? I don't think it goes away, just gets delayed to once a week or so. To avoid the leathery look keep it out of the sun and in a dark, warm and wet place.

Soapy Smith
06-27-11, 19:10
I do agree there's a sensitivity that diminishes with age-it's sensitivity in the trigger. That means that the trigger is less likely to go off unexpectedly, and sometimes it means the bout becomes prolonged beyond what either you or the woman would have preferred. But that's not the same as pleasurable sensitivity on the skin. I'm not into CM's jack-hammer sex, as he knows, but I find that slow oral sex and slow, deliberate in-out without a raincoat, in virtually every position my body and hers can manage, creates ecstatically pleasurable sensations that rival anything I ever experienced when I was younger. Sometimes it's so intense that my squeeze puts her hand over my mouth for fear the sounds I'm making will penetrate the hotel room walls. If this is the result of getting leathery, please lead me to the tannery for more treatments.

Luvpuss
06-27-11, 19:25
This may sound funny, but my sexual health is actually better going BB.

I got Prostititas a year ago. Pissing all the time and lack of feeling. I always had a problem with condoms being too tight and actually had some pain when ejaculating with them on. The Doctor told me that because of the tight condoms, I was getting a retarded ejaculation causing semen to go back into the urethea, and in turn inflaming my Prostate. Made sense.

Since I have stopped using them, my sex life is 100% better.

Blackangst
06-27-11, 19:58
This may sound funny, but my sexual health is actually better going BB.

I got Prostititas a year ago. Pissing all the time and lack of feeling. I always had a problem with condoms being too tight and actually had some pain when ejaculating with them on. The Doctor told me that because of the tight condoms, I was getting a retarded ejaculation causing semen to go back into the urethea, and in turn inflaming my Prostate. Made sense.

Since I have stopped using them, my sex life is 100% better. I guess a bigger condom wouldn't solve the too tight issue :p

Osuul
06-27-11, 21:24
I guess a bigger condom wouldn't solve the too tight issue :pI would recommend wider pussies. The release will be easier. .

Luvpuss
06-28-11, 02:12
I guess a bigger condom wouldn't solve the too tight issue :pI wish it were that simple. I am very thick. Women have told me I have the thickest cock they have ever seen. Even the magnums are way too tight.

FreebieFan
06-28-11, 02:20
I'm with Skip on this topic. I'm in my 60's and have yet to experience this loss of sensation. How many more years do I have until I get leathery and lose it all?Being just a young whippersnapper in my mid 50s I for sure can definately tell the difference LOL. Maybe when I'm older.

Boarer
06-28-11, 06:31
I do agree there's a sensitivity that diminishes with age-it's sensitivity in the trigger.Maybe it is more habituating or becoming accustomed to a sensation. Many sub 20s girls are so gigglish and ticklish that it gets annoying. You cannot explore without spasms of laughter or writhing.

I did not like sub two minute trigger of my first time and much prefer the extended stimulations that habituating brings. Thanks to these post, I think that I will not have a leathery problem, if ever, for a while yet (thanks GoodEnough). I will just continue to get the maximum amount of habituation that comes my way. Hey, if Hugh can still do it.

Dwight Fry
06-28-11, 09:22
Actually, as a man ages he loses sensitivity in his penis. Only elderly mongers have difficulty noticing the difference between sex with a condom and sex without.Well I guess it takes one to know one so me thinks your talking out your ass. Making generalizations about the membership here on the Philippine threads just isn't cool.

Nobbin
06-28-11, 15:00
To all you guys talking about having sex bareback. Aren't you afraid of catching HIV?The thought never crosses my mind. Life is too short & HIV is not the killer it used to be!

Wjmpsr
06-28-11, 21:31
Message me if you live near gensan, she is 30 and very sey. Not a pro, just horny.

Sky Ryder
06-29-11, 00:25
Being just a young whippersnapper in my mid 50s I for sure can definately tell the difference LOL. Maybe when I'm older.Freebie,

I am with you! I am squarely in the middle of my 50's and I know for a fact when I am barebacking or not. The issue is I prefer "without", but not the possible consequences of that act.

I will admit to having to work a little harder when covered than I used too, but even this has some benefits.

How does that saying go," I'm not as good as I once was, but I am as good once as I ever was."

Long live,"leather dicks"!

Member #3439
06-29-11, 06:47
Hi ISG / Manila,

Just here to give a report for newbies, from a newbie, on losing my virginity in Manila. Well, maybe not losing my virginity. I mainly play in Brasil but also have experience in Indonesia, Japan, Mexico and Costa Rica. So forgive my comparative analysis relative to Rio or Jakarta if it's not meaningful to you. My story here is probably not representative of the typical girl, but to let the facts be known., I'll give you the story bareback without glossing anything over.

I came to PI basically just for a new cultural experience and change of pace. My intentions are to not really go full bore on the numbers or seek out any really gonzo stuff. Relax, sleep in, and bust a few nuts when I feel like it. And perhaps to find cheap GFE based on recommendations from an ISG friend and esteemed member here.

I got a blowjob at my favorite place in Tokyo prior to flying down to MNL, because I figured to not monger and just rest. But I just couldn't resist so I checked-in, showered and caught a cab to Manila Bay Cafe, MBC. I suggest a cab instead of walking. I see teams of street kids begging and meandering around and don't know if they can be violent like latino street kids, so coming from that background I play it safe in MNL at first.

Inside MBC it was literally packed. The ratio of girls to guys was maybe 5:1 or more. Nice! Some girls at the bar pushed a girl out of her seat to make way for me. I got a beer. 120 PHP, and talked to maybe 4 or 5 girls. There are maybe less than 5% stunners in the place. Most are just so-so. But I am not really hot on Pinay looks so perhaps others would think the quality is better. I think their faces are cute, but not really sexy like an Indon or Japanese girl. MBC is like being a king compared with bars in Rio or Jakarta Blok M where the girls are big time butterflies. I am used to really hardcore golddigger girls in bars, so it's refreshing. I was there maybe an hour, with about 4 girls hanging around me as if there was no other guy there.

I got a cell number from a Cebuana that was on a money making holiday to Manila. Staying with a relative somewhere an hour away by Jeepney. A little aged for a WG, in her thirties. Figured I might contact her to do some non-mongering stuff in Cebu later. But already lost her number. Haha. Another girl, who said she was 23 and I believe it, was really overly friendly at the bar so I bought her a ladydrink. 250 PHP. Cute face and nice natural tits. Tried to get me to take her friend as well but I was just tired from travel and did not entertain that idea at all. I ended up taking the 23 yr old back to the hotel, no discussion of cash. We stopped at the 7-Eleven and got beer and snacks. Went back to the hotel. Shower. And the girl was looking nowhere as good naked a she did in the bar. But when do they? I think she was a mom due to the slightly out of shape belly, but not so sure because there were no or thigh stretch marks. Probably so, typical freelancer the world over. I give it a 7. 5/10 on looks due to a cute face. Claimed she wanted to stay all night and wanted me to take her to some aquarium the next day. Okay, I said, since I don't do much except monger I was thinking that it might be nice to go someplace vanilla.

So she was making out with me, and insisted that I suck her tits. And she would not let me stop sucking her tits. If I came back up, she is pushing me back down to this big nipple. And the other nipple is like an inny. WTF. I don't like a big nipple and was kind of turned off. So then we made out more, which does turn me on, and she pushed me back down to this tit. [And nothing is coming out of that tit]. Then she was stroking my cock, but since I was tired, not really turned on, and had already unloaded in Tokyo my pecker was not like a diamond or anything. But she is ready to fuck and wanted a condom on it. I was thinking to bareback her, based on everyone here seeming to BB the girls and the fact that my tired dick needed all the sensation possible. So she was trying to open the condom before sucking, and I thought I might have to kick her out of the room if she was going to try a CBJ. No way! I told her no condom, blow job first. So no problem and she started sucking bareback. The blowjob was just mediocre. Got my dick hard, applied raincoat, and jumped on. The fuck was nice but I cut in short due after a few minutes due to the fact that I had then 1) discovered that her pussy was smelly 2) Something from her was dripping on me big time and I swear that she was lactating on me because her hair was not that wet. Nothing was coming from her tits when I was sucking them. But when she was riding my dick something was dripping on my chest periodically. From that point on, I was not really interested in fucking. So I had her suck it, and being so turned off by the pussy smell and condom use, and possible lactation I was unable to cum while laying on my back. So I moved her across the room, Put her on her knees back against the wall, braced myself on the wall, and shot a load in her mouth. She was spitting but came back for more of it.

So from there we crashed and didn't even drink the beer or the snacks. Till 10 am. She felt good in the bed, nice soft and petite, but at some point I realized she does not shave her armpits. I am not into that. What is this, France? In Rio the girls are very lazy about shaving their legs, and that turns me off as well. Anyway, the girl woke up about 10 and started stroking my dick. Tells me she has been working in Manila for 3 months and this is her first time staying overnight. Umm. I understand why. Only a lazy tired person like myself would keep her for that long. She was wanting another fuck but the pussy and everything else except the face and legs was not to my liking. So she sucked it until I came in her mouth again, gagged, and ran to the bathroom to rinse and brush teeth. 10 minutes later she was hacking saying that my sperm was thick and sticking in the back of her mouth. 1 nut in a Japanese girl before arrival, and 1 this girl 6 hours before, so I think that is not true and she is just a complainer. At this point she decided that she wanted to go home and since it would take 2 hours she wanted to leave instead of going to the aquarium as she had requested before.

I gave her 1500 PHP as per standard MCB LT protocol as I understand it. She could not be driven out of the room. Claimed that she can go ST for 2500 and since she had been with me midnight to 10 am she was losing money. So she wanted 2500 PHP. Hells no. I told her 1500, take it and go. Threw it on the bed and she threw it back across the bed. Then claimed 2000 plus 200 transport was the least she could take. Hells no again. There was no option for getting her out of the room. I even tried to pick her up and move her into the hallway but she sat on he bed pouting, claiming that she was good and stayed all night and made me cum again after waking up...yada, yada, yada. She would not budge. I was prepared to give 2000 to get her out of the room without trouble. She saw the 2000 and still would not move from the bed. So I put the 2000 in the hallway outside the door, knowing that she would go after 'her money' before a passerby picked it up. And she did just that. I think I overpaid and should have negotiated price up front. I would normally do that elsewhere, Rio or Jakarta for instance but DID NOT due to the guidance here. Guys are reporting girls going back with no discussion of cash, and then saying 'up to you' when it comes time to fork over cash. So I was expecting she would say 'up to you' , I give her 1500 and she would be on her merry way. I had been reading here that girls from MBC are doing LT for 1500, but guys are buying them several lady drinks before that, and breakfasts in the morning. I bought only 1 LD, and she didn't require any other expenses. FS then BBBJwCIM. Then round two in the morning. So maybe my total outlay isn't over the limit. Still, I hate myself for every peso over 1500 given to the girl.

I'm bound for Cebu shortly and hoping to improve my PI skills there on more softcore girls, hopefully cleaner and when pulling from a p4p place I am negotiating everything upfront from now on just as I have always done before coming here.

SixteenVolt182
06-29-11, 07:29
The thought never crosses my mind. Life is too short & HIV is not the killer it used to be!I just watched a documentary (house of numbers) and I can honestly say HIV does not scare me at all anymore. I would be more worried about genital warts or herpes.

Red Kilt
06-29-11, 07:31
. . . . . . . SNIP.

I got a cell number from a Cebuana that was on a money making holiday to Manila. Staying with a relative somewhere an hour away by Jeepney. A little aged for a WG, in her thirties. Figured I might contact her to do some non-mongering stuff in Cebu later. But already lost her number. Haha. Another girl, who said she was 23 and I believe it, was really overly friendly at the bar so I bought her a ladydrink. 750 PHP. Cute face and nice natural tits. . . . . . . . Good detailed report Puta P. Sorry it was a rough introduction to Manila.

MBC is not a regular bar so you didn't buy her a Lady Drink. You just bought her a regular drink that should have been a regular price (eg if it was a beer it should have been 120 php like you paid.

You may have been stung there unless she ordered an expensive top-shelf drink.

Good luck in Cebu. Just use your street-smarts from elsewhere and you will be fine.

Member #3439
06-29-11, 07:34
Good detailed report Puta P. Sorry it was a rough introduction to Manila.

MBC is not a regular bar so you didn't buy her a Lady Drink. You just bought her a regular drink that should have been a regular price (eg if it was a beer it should have been 120 php like you paid.

You may have been stung there unless she ordered an expensive top-shelf drink.

Good luck in Cebu. Just use your street-smarts from elsewhere and you will be fine. Sorry, I typed that wrong. Her drink was 250. Redbull and Vodka. Corrected my post.

Rough introduction, maybe. But I've had worse. The girls in MBC are really fun to hang out with even if you don't take one home. I've come to expect problems whenever I take a freelancer 'home.' Elsewhere, they try to steal your stuff almost 100% of the time. In Rio, they will even steal the soap from the shower. I did not mention it, but I intentionally left out 20 PHP overnight to see if the girl would stick in in her purse, just to get a feel if WG theft is as rampant. She did not steal it. So it could have been much worse. For example, a FL in Jakarta got pissed at me last year because I kicked her out with cab fare only when she refused pre-agreed pictures, then she tried to steal everything from the minibar in my room as compensation on her way out. So my hotel room floor was littered with snacks and bottled water, and she was screaming at me from the hallway about defiling her body with the camera. I can't picture on of the PI girls doing that. I don't know why mongering isn't considered an extreme sport....the shit we put up to get our rocks off with NSA. Before last year I was exclusively an in-call monger, bang one here, bang one there, and another over here. 1 hour, fixed price, FS, no worries. I never understood why guys say 'We don't pay them for sex, we pay them to leave'. In the past couple years working the FL scene in different countries I have come to understand exactly the idea of paying them to get out. This MBC girl would have stayed and hounded me, maybe fucked or blew me again until she had so much invested that I agree and be willing to give her 2500 PHP. I was not going to let it go that far, so 2k and out she goes.


I just watched a documentary (house of numbers) and I can honestly say HIV does not scare me at all anymore. I would be more worried about genital warts or herpes. I don't know about the 'at all' part, but totally agree that mongers should be more worried about these last two. Statistically speaking everyone here should have one or the other. I have papers to show that I am clean, but the fact that I am clean amazes me. I think the STI stats are cooked/biased to come out with a conclusion that is acceptable to womens groups and religious groups. I only know of 1 guy on ISG that admits to having anything. This could imply that ISG members are considerably healthier than the non-ISG population, statistically speaking. lol. Jackson should take a survey, that would be interesting.

FreebieFan
06-29-11, 10:27
. So it could have been much worse. For example, a FL in Jakarta got pissed at me last year because I kicked her out with cab fare only when she refused pre-agreed pictures, then she tried to steal everything from the minibar in my room as compensation on her way out. So my hotel room floor was littered with snacks and bottled water, and she was screaming at me from the hallway about defiling her body with the camera. I can't picture on of the PI girls doing that. I don't know why mongering isn't considered an extreme sport.In the old days when the Boulevard Hotel on Roxas Blvd had a MP there I had one funny scene where the massage girl rejected my payment for "extras" and demanded more. She blocked the door and threatened to scream and to tell security that I had slapped her and cursed all Filipinos (I'm a man of peace ). P500 thrown on floor about 6 feet from her presented her with a dilemna.

Grab the money and stop blocking the door or face the fact I was about to call front desk and security and all the drama that would have ensued.

She had some common sense and went for the money, I went out the door. And never returned to the Boulevard.

Topmanten
06-29-11, 15:01
Hi thanks a lot to all of you who shared information, but could you pl tell me what I should be careful while crossing edsa blvd, mugging or traffic.

TMT.


Mr. O has already answered the main part of your inquiry. I would add that it is also close to the airport, Mall of Asia, and the Baclaran Market (if you want some local culture). It has a casino and is popular with flight crews. The lobby is wide and spacious and some might not like the so-called "walk of shame". I've never stayed there, but have stayed next door. Other than what Mr. O and I have mentioned, there isn't much appealing about the neighborhood. Be very careful crossing EDSA Blvd if you decide to pop into EDSA entertainment. BTW, EDSA is an acronym. Say it as a word.

Soapy Smith
06-29-11, 17:08
Hi thanks a lot to all of you who shared information, but could you pl tell me what I should be careful while crossing edsa blvd, mugging or traffic.

TMT. Traffic. But there is a pedestrian bridge that straddles EDSA at an angle a bit to the east of the EDSA Complex. To get to the EDSA Complex turn to the west (or left, toward Manila Bay) at the foot of the pedestrian bridge and walk a couple blocks.

MauiDude
06-30-11, 05:21
Hi ISG / Manila,

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I got a blowjob at my favorite place in Tokyo prior to flying down to MNL, because I figured to not monger and just rest. But I just couldn't resist so I checked-in, showered and caught a cab to Manila Bay Cafe, MBC. I suggest a cab instead of walking. I see teams of street kids begging and meandering around and don't know if they can be violent like latino street kids, so coming from that background I play it safe in MNL at first.

Inside MBC it was literally packed. The ratio of girls to guys was maybe 5:1 or more. Nice! Some girls at the bar pushed a girl out of her seat to make way for me. I got a beer. 120 PHP, and talked to maybe 4 or 5 girls. There are maybe less than 5% stunners in the place. Most are just so-so.

I gave her 1500 PHP as per standard MCB LT protocol as I understand it. She could not be driven out of the room. Claimed that she can go ST for 2500 and since she had been with me midnight to 10 am she was losing money. So she wanted 2500 PHP. Hells no. I told her 1500, take it and go. Threw it on the bed and she threw it back across the bed. Then claimed 2000 plus 200 transport was the least she could take. Hells no again. There was no option for getting her out of the room. I even tried to pick her up and move her into the hallway but she sat on he bed pouting, claiming that she was good and stayed all night and made me cum again after waking up. Yada, yada, yada. She would not budge. I was prepared to give 2000 to get her out of the room without trouble. She saw the 2000 and still would not move from the bed. So I put the 2000 in the hallway outside the door, knowing that she would go after 'her money' before a passerby picked it up. And she did just that. I think I overpaid and should have negotiated price up front. I would normally do that elsewhere, Rio or Jakarta for instance but DID NOT due to the guidance here. Guys are reporting girls going back with no discussion of cash, and then saying 'up to you' when it comes time to fork over cash. So I was expecting she would say 'up to you', I give her 1500 and she would be on her merry way. I had been reading here that girls from MBC are doing LT for 1500, but guys are buying them several lady drinks before that, and breakfasts in the morning. I bought only 1 LD, and she didn't require any other expenses. FS then BBBJwCIM. Then round two in the morning. So maybe my total outlay isn't over the limit. Still, I hate myself for every peso over 1500 given to the girl.

I'm bound for Cebu shortly and hoping to improve my PI skills there on more softcore girls, hopefully cleaner and when pulling from a p4p place I am negotiating everything upfront from now on just as I have always done before coming here.Manila to me is more expensive. Cebu, angeles and subic are better.

Thanks for the report. I have been in Philippines for about four years. I thought it was me that was having so much bad luck.

At mbc. Even when I negotiated ahead of time with some of the girls at the LA cafe or mbc? They would try to upsell.

And ask for more money and just give me grief and not really into the fun.

First time I was here over four years ago I had GFE at the old LA cafe. And the girls said up to you as far as compensation.

But now I don't go there because of the upselling the attitude and the cleanliness of the girls.

Also I am spoiled by the girls in other parts of the country.

I was thinking it was my problem and that I lost my ability to pick good girls. So you and I have had similar expierences and my expierences were after being here for several years with many girls that I had met and played with. So I thought I had learned to.

Pick out good filipina GFE.

X Man
06-30-11, 11:26
Skip Kost already answered the question, but to be honest I've never walked across the pedestrian bridge, so I warned about the traffic. There also used to be street kid beggers who would run across the street to meet you half way. But the biggest problem were taxi drivers who would hit the brakes thinking you wanted a ride, but you really were trying to judge traffic.

Hey, if an EDSA p4p gal ran across multiple lanes of traffic with you, she knows you aren't a newbie. She probably also thinks you have a screw loose. X.


Hi thanks a lot to all of you who shared information, but could you pl tell me what I should be careful while crossing edsa blvd, mugging or traffic.

TMT.

MadisonGuy
06-30-11, 19:19
What exactly does more expensive mean? How much will it cost to take a girl how from a bar for the night? I wish the pictures posted or a forum had a better break down of prices. I know they flux depending on negotiating but still would be nice to have something as quick reference to go off. Maybe I need to build that site.

FreebieFan
07-01-11, 02:20
Skip Kost already answered the question, but to be honest I've never walked across the pedestrian bridge, so I warned about the traffic. There also used to be street kid beggers who would run across the street to meet you half way. But the biggest problem were taxi drivers who would hit the brakes thinking you wanted a ride, but you really were trying to judge traffic.

Hey, if an EDSA p4p gal ran across multiple lanes of traffic with you, she knows you aren't a newbie. She probably also thinks you have a screw loose. X.In the old pre bridge, pre railings times I ran across that road many times. Never ever felt safe but what to do.

Bridge is now there so use it. Walk fast (Filipinos don't like to walk fast, keep wallet in front pocket with cell phones and keep your hand in same pocket. Kids will follow you whatever you say or don't say. Again, walk fast and they soon give up. Wherever you are, walk with a sense of purpose and whoever might see you as a target will soon give up and select an easier prey.

If you are walking back across the bridge after 1am be a tad more careful.

Topmanten
07-01-11, 17:19
Hi thanks a lot, I can walk very fast, I am almost 6'. Will post after my visit if possible with photos.

TMT.


In the old pre bridge, pre railings times I ran across that road many times. Never ever felt safe but what to do.

Bridge is now there so use it. Walk fast (Filipinos don't like to walk fast, keep wallet in front pocket with cell phones and keep your hand in same pocket. Kids will follow you whatever you say or don't say. Again, walk fast and they soon give up. Wherever you are, walk with a sense of purpose and whoever might see you as a target will soon give up and select an easier prey.

If you are walking back across the bridge after 1am be a tad more careful.

Member #3439
07-01-11, 22:17
Manila to me is more expensive. Cebu, angeles and subic are better.

Thanks for the report. I have been in Philippines for about four years. I thought it was me that was having so much bad luck.

At mbc. Even when I negotiated ahead of time with some of the girls at the LA cafe or mbc? They would try to upsell.

And ask for more money and just give me grief and not really into the fun.

I was thinking it was my problem and that I lost my ability to pick good girls. So you and I have had similar expierences and my expierences were after being here for several years with many girls that I had met and played with. So I thought I had learned to.

Pick out good filipina GFE.Second night was MUCH better. So don't give up hope.

I followed the strategy of looking for a girl that seems out of place. I watched this girl (24, an 8/10) for an hour and everytime I caught her eye, she would giggle, look away and say something to her friend. Acting shy. [shy ho? ] I was surrounded by about 4 girls plus a mamasan that wouldn't go away, begging drinks, money for fare to go home, etc. But eventually I called this shy ho over. I talked to her just a little and she asked me why I called her over when there were so many girls around me. I said because she acted shy and it sparked my interest. So I asked her how much for LT and she said 2000. I said no 1500. She said 1500 if I am not completely happy. 2000 if I am completely satisfied and she'll stay until the next afternoon. So I walked her back to the hotel. When we got to the room, she saw my desk was disorganized and started straightening and cleaning it (weird, OCD or something) , and then asked me to sit down, took my shoes off for me, took my socks off, folded the socks, put them in the shoes, and went off to the shower. When she came out, she asked if I had a condom, and we started with that. But I am getting increasing bored with covered p4p, no high from it anymore, just so fake it just makes me feel lame even while I am fucking paid pussy with a bag on my dick. So with a rubber I will eventually drop wood unless I am drunk enough to forget that this is a business transaction and not real. And I did. BUT since I picked the right girl, I was able to take the rubber off and do her mish and cowgirl bareback. With almost way too much ball sucking, some fairly good cock sucking, and then cowgirl bareback finish deep where it counts. She worked like a champ to get that load, for something like 2 hours. And then the next morning she sucked my balls a long time, sucked dick a little and jumped on for more bareback cowgirl. I had to ask her to leave so I could catch a flight. More of a lady than a tramp. Say she has a 5 year old that needs some sort of school money, so she hawks her fork to earn that and will go back to the province in 6 months. I would not have known that she had a kid. Tight pussy and no stretch marks.

So following that good experience, like a jack ass I planned not to return (so didn't get miss bareback's number) and instead messed with a good thing by going to Cebu with intentions of spending the rest of the time there. Then I returned to MNL with haste at great cost (think 5k for cancelling hotel and rebooking flight back to MNL) because I quickly ascertained that Cebu is not really overall cheaper or better than MNL for a guy like me who comes in spontaneously and hits gogos and the malls, with no time for DIA cultivation. Ir was costing me more in the Cebu gogos and malls vs just going to MBC. I will stay in MNL, and plan better, cultivate DIA, etc next time if I leave MNL.

Barebacking was a recent topic on here. In addition to this BBFS in MNL on the second girl, my third PI girl (Vikings barfine down in Cebu) was also a barebacker. 67% on the first time at bat...wow. It's like still 1980 down here. Not used to BB n the P4P scene, except in JKT and the very rare ones in Rio. Here, up to you, I guess. Scary good. caveat emptor. I hope they at least use birth control. The offspring of a WG and a monger must be like some kind of lecherous hell spawn. I get a sense that they spend all their money on drinks, smokes, electronics and the boarding house room. So apparently the govt provides free pills to keep them off the dole?

Girls here seem shy about the ass, for me. I know it isn't like that for others . Twice I've gone for it, just for kicks. One told me that she was not a ladyboy and doesn't take it in the ass...WTF? It's okay though. I prefer the pink over the stink, but the stink makes me feel like I am getting the complete service for my money so I usually explore that option.

Sammon
07-01-11, 23:13
skip kost already answered the question, but to be honest i've never walked across the pedestrian bridge, so i warned about the traffic. there also used to be street kid beggers who would run across the street to meet you half way. but the biggest problem were taxi drivers who would hit the brakes thinking you wanted a ride, but you really were trying to judge traffic.

hey, if an edsa p4p gal ran across multiple lanes of traffic with you, she knows you aren't a newbie. she probably also thinks you have a screw loose. x.before they put up the divider i used to walk across from heritage hotel to edsa. few kids bothered me but a few coins tossed their way kept them off. funny thing is when i barfined the girls they wanted a taxi. i just told them to walk with me. holding the girl by hand and walking with begging kids on tow is not easy. some kids yelled "[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123)-[CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) " at me. atleast these kids have learned some english words on the street. the girl said this is why she wanted to take a taxi. i told her how many times in her life did she take a taxi to cross the street?

now that they put up the divider and you are forced to take the pedestrian walkway, it will be dangerous in the middle of the night being mugged. better take a taxi. taxi mafia will charge 100 pesos min.

Paul2020
07-02-11, 02:33
In the old pre bridge, pre railings times I ran across that road many times. Never ever felt safe but what to do.

Bridge is now there so use it. Walk fast (Filipinos don't like to walk fast, keep wallet in front pocket with cell phones and keep your hand in same pocket. Kids will follow you whatever you say or don't say. Again, walk fast and they soon give up. Wherever you are, walk with a sense of purpose and whoever might see you as a target will soon give up and select an easier prey.

If you are walking back across the bridge after 1am be a tad more careful.Having walked the EDSA bridge 4 or 5 times in the last 18 months to and from SOGO, I want to second FreebieFan's comments. I never have a wallet but keep cash and phone in one pocket. Was always with an EDSA girl both ways. Never a problem yet.

Member #3439
07-02-11, 12:13
Another report on getting my PI cherry popped. Just sort of messing around here and getting the lay of the land, focusing on quality girls, quality GFE sessions and LT for the most part until today. Finding all that at MBC so not straying much on this short trip except for a small excusion to Cebu. I could monger MBC continuously for a week or 2. Reminds me of Top Gun in Jakarta or the Sportsmans Lodge in San Jose. That said, there are sometimes too many people at MBC.

I was in MBC last night (Friday) and it was way, way too packed. Standing room only, downstairs, in the pool hall, upstairs, in the extension. Any recommendations on an alternative in the area, for same kind of girls, same prices?

Compared with the weekdays, MBC on Friday sucked because it is too packed to work the girls. And lots of competition from weekend warriors who I never saw on the weekday. Ton of Korean and Japanese guys acting like giddy schoolboys that have never seen hookers before, buying girls tons of drinks and talking too much money. I heard them talking several times and they are offering Makati money in MBC. 3500 Yikes. Some weird guys. One ghastly pale Korean guy was wearing a black Mao jacket and hat. I was amused. I just watched the crowd, as I had been gotten off quite well earlier in the day down in Cebu. Never took a girl. Next time, I will make efforts to be primarily weekdays. The number of doable girls is about the same, but much less competition LT is easy.

This afternoon I headed down to MBC about 3:30 and there were about 50 girls in the place. Only maybe 5 of these were really good looking. Some girls are so lazy, they don't even bother to wear something sexy.

Come in looking like non-pros and don't even bother to put something sexy on. I pulled a good one. 1/4 Brasilian. 24 yrs old I think. A regular of course. Looked pretty but acted like a really hardcore tute. I bought her a drink and talked biz. She said she was nasty and into anything, so I figured to give it a try. I asked her if her pussy was clean, no stink. Ok. Agreed to swallow cum and all that. 1500 ST. I bought her a drink and walked her back to the hotel. We got back and the service was excellent. Nasty slurpy BBBJ, ball sucking, licked my asshole, bareback mish, more cock sucking, I ate her ass while she jacked her clit and came, then more fucking. Finished bareback cowgirl with the deep shot. Hit me for a 100 tip which I grudgingly gave. Walked her back to MBC and she told me that she used to work a 'good job' at a call center. 40k pesos per month. Waiting for another job but she'll continue to work at MBC cause the money is so easy. 'I just spread my poo-say. '

Not sure why every girl wants to tell me about the family and the US military boyfriend. How the family is horrible, causing her to get fed up and leave province and now end up selling ass to guys who just want boom boom and then leave, don't like Pilipina girls except for ass and then fly away. How she is worried about the military boyfriend getting killed. Funny that they will actually tell you they've been working as a tute for quite a while. Everywhere else I go, girls lie and say they just started not more than 6 weeks ago.

Slippery
07-02-11, 13:36
MBC and Blue Marlin Bar in SJO are two of my favorite places in the world to sit back, have a beer and watch guys make total asses out of themselves.

Member #3439
07-02-11, 14:38
MBC and Blue Marlin Bar in SJO are two of my favorite places in the world to sit back, have a beer and watch guys make total asses out of themselves.Yeah, for sure. Actually I meant Blue Marlin at the Del Rey in SJO, not Sportmans. As for mongers making fools of themselves, I think the award goes to Balcony Bar in Rio, gringos waiting in line like hungry animals wanting to drop a months' local salary for one night FS with an average girl.

But credit where credit is due. MBC crowd is hardcore compared with the SJO / Blue Marlin crowd. Many of these MBC guys are just looking and thinking, whereas over in SJO the guys are just falling for those ticas right away. Maybe cause the Pilipina WGs are more needy acting. It's hard to drive the girls away even after telling them flat out there is no way you'll take them back to the hotel. Although the Friday night crowd was horrid, I can say that there is something there to suit anyone. I even saw 3 girls that looked and dressed like a Japanese A/V idols, maybe mixed blood Japanese and Pinay. The kind that cost 10x more in Tobita Shinchi in Osaka and more elsewhere. Yummy! If I had not been already spent I would have been eating those up.

FreebieFan
07-02-11, 16:07
She said she was nasty and into anything, so I figured to give it a try. I asked her if her pussy was clean, no stink. Agreed to swallow cum and all that. 1500 ST. We got back and the service was excellent. Nasty slurpy BBBJ, ball sucking, licked my asshole, bareback mish, Finished bareback cowgirl with the deep shot. Waiting for another job but she'll continue to work at MBC cause the money is so easy. 'I just spread my poo-say. 'Bareback at MBC. As they say "up to you" but you are a way braver or older or way less fatalistic guy than me. I wish you luck brave / foolhardy Playa.

Chocha Monger
07-02-11, 18:28
Bareback at MBC. As they say "up to you" but you are a way braver or older or way less fatalistic guy than me. I wish you luck brave / foolhardy Playa.Freebie,

Aren't you being a bit hard on Puta Playa? There is nothing to indicate that barebacking a girl from MBC is more hazardous than barebacking DIA girls or girls from bars where the girls are supposedly checked. We all know that barebacking is rampant in the hobby so it should not be shocking that guys are giving their MBC dates deep cream pies.

Member #3439
07-02-11, 19:33
Freebie,

Aren't you being a bit hard on Puta Playa? There is nothing to indicate that barebacking a girl from MBC is more hazardous than barebacking DIA girls or girls from bars where the girls are supposedly checked. We all know that barebacking is rampant in the hobby so it should not be shocking that guys are giving their MBC dates deep cream pies.Yeah, its not safe but what is in Manila. The girls are over the top, even the con artists are over the top. I got mugged tonight on the way to LA Cafe because I tried to resist some smoking violation con. When they couldn't run the con, they used force. Basically a little van full of 6 people pulled up and a guy jumped out and yelled smoking violation and grabbed my arm. I already know these scams, so I tried to run toward MBC but another guy jumped out and grabbed my arm. So these guys dragged me up into the van and I did not resist further since I knew where it was going if I play along, but didn't know what they would do if I resisted too much. There were a van load of people (supposedly other detainees) to kick my ass and take the money by force, and I didn't want to get hit. Nobody tried to help me when these guys were pulling me into this van. I asked to see a badge and the 1 person with a police shirt produced what looked like a very authentic badge. Nice. So they took me on a nice little cruise around Ermita, playing cops, stopped in front of Ermita police station, most of the people jumped off and went into this little fenced in place in front of the station as if being held. Very realistic. One of the guys actually went up to the station and said something and came back and claimed I owed a fine of 5k. Playing a convincing con. I tried to go *toward* the police station to safety but 3 of the guys held me back and told me that the fine was 15-20 days jail or 5k. I only carry enough for buying drinks and food for the night, plus a little extra so there is a little left over to make a mugger happy enough not to kill my ass if I get mugged coming back from the bar. [I am not much of a fighter, only thing I beat up is pussy. :)] So I tried to cut losses and told them I only had 500. Which was in my right pocket. They insisted to check all my pockets and got the 1k bill from my other pocket and let go of my arms. Then said they would take me to the hotel to get 3500 to pay the supposed 5000 fine. (I think the real public smoking 'fine' from real police is just a ticket) So I played along and got a ride back to the hotel. They stopped at a nearby corner and claimed that they would wait there because its a one way street. So I went into the hotel and told the front desk people and they intended to get the plate (probably stolen anyway) and call the real police but never had the guts to go out there. Since I already had a good bang with my late afternoon MBC pickup, I'm staying in knowing that they are out there running the street and could snag me again and be really pissed off because I hadn't brought more money like they expected. I recommend that anyone who can't get away, from these thugs, play along like I did and pretend that you will bring more money. That way you end up safe at your hotel instead of dead in an alley somewhere. And never carry more money than you need. If I had been out for something special other than dinner and drinks, they would have stolen a lot more from my pockets other than my drinking money. For example the other night I was carrying 6k down the street to the Cebu Pacific office at Robinson to get a ticket. And weaving through the crowd of cars along the street so I didn't stand out.

So, I'd be more worried about the teams of thugs than catching anything incurable from girls. I've seen this kind of scam run elsewhere but never seen anyone grabbed like I was. Had I not already heard of these scams and seen them in played in Mexico, I might have been taken for a lot of money rather than just my lunch (drinking) money. Or maybe worse if I pushed the issue by resisting further against all those people. And the street kids, as I mentioned the other day, are my primary concern. I haven't seen them turn violent, but the other day I was accosted by about 3 at a time and I think they were trying to pick my back pockets [empty pockets, pity them], but I kept swatting them away and walking through traffic to see if they will bug out. Unfortunately they are not scared of getting hit and will follow you right through traffic. I swore one was going to get hit following me yesterday night because I timed it so there was only enough time for me to get across and anyone behind me should have got smacked. But somehow they make it. Maybe they go under the cars. I pity the guys who are going to gogos and trying to walk around with several thousand for all kinds of lady drinks and barfines. I spoke to a gent in MBC yesterday who said that he spent 8000 in Makati for a single barfine plus drinks. I cant imagine carrying that much, or a credit card. Its too much to lose. Never carry more than you are willing to lose.

As for barebacking prevalance, yeah it is rampant. I know some guys who almost exclusively bareback in PI and Jakarta. I don't promote it. I'm just reporting what happened, and that way people know that the girls are not playing safe. I mean every girl I've encountered seems to bareback. Some people find that an attraction. For other people it means stay away. What you do with that information is up-to-you. I wish to not do it, but the condom turns me off. In the end, paid and covered is about as close to real natural sex as is jerking off. So sometime I do it. Apparently here I do it more than sometimes.

As for girls getting checked, I don't trust that. They supposedly do that at some places over in Rio where I monger as well, but girls take breaks sometimes and the insiders say that the reason is that they have herpes outbreaks. But they are checked and approved! Probably a bribe to a doctor does the trick.

MadisonGuy
07-02-11, 22:52
Yeah, its not safe but what is in Manila. The girls are over the top, even the con artists are over the top. I got mugged tonight on the way to LA Cafe because I tried to resist some smoking violation con. When they couldn't run the con, they used force. Basically a little van full of 6 people pulled up and a guy jumped out and yelled smoking violation and grabbed my arm. I already know these scams, so I tried to run toward MBC but another guy jumped out and grabbed my arm. So these guys dragged me up into the van and I did not resist further since I knew where it was going if I play along, but didn't know what they would do if I resisted too much. There were a van load of people (supposedly other detainees) to kick my ass and take the money by force, and I didn't want to get hit. Nobody tried to help me when these guys were pulling me into this van. I asked to see a badge and the 1 person with a police shirt produced what looked like a very authentic badge. Nice. So they took me on a nice little cruise around Ermita, playing cops, stopped in front of Ermita police station, most of the people jumped off and went into this little fenced in place in front of the station as if being held. Very realistic. One of the guys actually went up to the station and said something and came back and claimed I owed a fine of 5k. Playing a convincing con. I tried to go *toward* the police station to safety but 3 of the guys held me back and told me that the fine was 15-20 days jail or 5k. I only carry enough for buying drinks and food for the night, plus a little extra so there is a little left over to make a mugger happy enough not to kill my ass if I get mugged coming back from the bar. [I am not much of a fighter, only thing I beat up is pussy. ] So I tried to cut losses and told them I only had 500. Which was in my right pocket. They insisted to check all my pockets and got the 1k bill from my other pocket and let go of my arms. Then said they would take me to the hotel to get 3500 to pay the supposed 5000 fine. (I think the real public smoking 'fine' from real police is just a ticket) So I played along and got a ride back to the hotel. They stopped at a nearby corner and claimed that they would wait there because its a one way street. So I went into the hotel and told the front desk people and they intended to get the plate (probably stolen anyway) and call the real police but never had the guts to go out there. Since I already had a good bang with my late afternoon MBC pickup, I'm staying in knowing that they are out there running the street and could snag me again and be really pissed off because I hadn't brought more money like they expected. I recommend that anyone who can't get away, from these thugs, play along like I did and pretend that you will bring more money. That way you end up safe at your hotel instead of dead in an alley somewhere. And never carry more money than you need. If I had been out for something special other than dinner and drinks, they would have stolen a lot more from my pockets other than my drinking money. For example the other night I was carrying 6k down the street to the Cebu Pacific office at Robinson to get a ticket. And weaving through the crowd of cars along the street so I didn't stand out.

So, I'd be more worried about the teams of thugs than catching anything incurable from girls. I've seen this kind of scam run elsewhere but never seen anyone grabbed like I was. Had I not already heard of these scams and seen them in played in Mexico, I might have been taken for a lot of money rather than just my lunch (drinking) money. Or maybe worse if I pushed the issue by resisting further against all those people. And the street kids, as I mentioned the other day, are my primary concern. I haven't seen them turn violent, but the other day I was accosted by about 3 at a time and I think they were trying to pick my back pockets [empty pockets, pity them], but I kept swatting them away and walking through traffic to see if they will bug out. Unfortunately they are not scared of getting hit and will follow you right through traffic. I swore one was going to get hit following me yesterday night because I timed it so there was only enough time for me to get across and anyone behind me should have got smacked. But somehow they make it. Maybe they go under the cars. I pity the guys who are going to gogos and trying to walk around with several thousand for all kinds of lady drinks and barfines. I spoke to a gent in MBC yesterday who said that he spent 8000 in Makati for a single barfine plus drinks. I can't imagine carrying that much, or a credit card. Its too much to lose. Never carry more than you are willing to lose.

As for barebacking prevalance, yeah it is rampant. I know some guys who almost exclusively bareback in PI and Jakarta. I don't promote it. I'm just reporting what happened, and that way people know that the girls are not playing safe. I mean every girl I've encountered seems to bareback. Some people find that an attraction. For other people it means stay away. What you do with that information is up-to-you. I wish to not do it, but the condom turns me off. In the end, paid and covered is about as close to real natural sex as is jerking off. So sometime I do it. Apparently here I do it more than sometimes.

As for girls getting checked, I don't trust that. They supposedly do that at some places over in Rio where I monger as well, but girls take breaks sometimes and the insiders say that the reason is that they have herpes outbreaks. But they are checked and approved! Probably a bribe to a doctor does the trick.Wow that is an amazing and horrifying story. I would love to know your general age, what kind of clothes you wear all that good stuff to see if they might be profiling a bit. I've been in a lot of bad areas in my life and have never even come close to anything like this. I don't walk down extremely dark small alleys, but certainly I have been in many third world countires walking back to my hotel around 3-4AM and I keep alert but I've never even got a weird look from anyone. When I first started mongering I wouldn't wear a nice watch or anything too flashy, but now I wear what I want to wear just like I was in the US. I figure if I do ever get in a situation like you I can always file for a new rolex on home owners. I don't smoke, I barely drink so they can't pull any smoking fine, I also have to wonder why you would smoke in public if there was a fine, but maybe you weren't smoking at all. I personally didn't think it possible to go out without 10, 000PHP so I might have to reconsider. For how much people make there per hour, you'd probably be better off hiring security so you have 5 guys to even odds out a little bit. Please tell whatever else you are comfortable with.

Danibbler
07-02-11, 23:43
The brother of a friend was mugged in Manila about 3 weeks ago. They're not close so I only got the following: he's about 40+ yrs of age, Singaporean (Chinese) and he got mugged at knifepoint (knife held behind him) when he stepped out of his hotel.

GoodEnough
07-03-11, 01:42
I know that others have written extensively on this topic but it always seems to recur. This is a third world country where almost half the people get along on less than $2 a day. It's no wonder that some of them see some of us as prey. One way to lessen the risk-particularly in Ermita and Malate-is to minimize the walking. If you're going to MBC, take a taxi to the door, and when you leave do likewise. If you must walk, don't do so alone and don't do so for very long. Leave your credit cards and jewelry in the safe at your hotel or locked up securely elsewhere. If you don't have buddies here with whom you can roam around a bit, hire a security guard from your hotel for a couple of hours. Puta Playa's tale is horrifying and I suspect it happens all too often and never gets reported.

GE

Mongerer69
07-03-11, 02:45
I stayed at the Hyatt Malate approximately a 4-5 minute walk to MBC and ALWAYS took a Taxi. Believe me it is the best 50 pesos $1 you can spend.

MauiDude
07-03-11, 03:23
Wow that is an amazing and horrifying story. I would love to know your general age, what kind of clothes you wear all that good stuff to see if they might be profiling a bit. I've been in a lot of bad areas in my life and have never even come close to anything like this. I don't walk down extremely dark small alleys, but certainly I have been in many third world countires walking back to my hotel around 3-4AM and I keep alert but I've never even got a weird look from anyone. When I first started mongering I wouldn't wear a nice watch or anything too flashy, but now I wear what I want to wear just like I was in the US. I figure if I do ever get in a situation like you I can always file for a new rolex on home owners. I don't smoke, I barely drink so they can't pull any smoking fine, I also have to wonder why you would smoke in public if there was a fine, but maybe you weren't smoking at all. I personally didn't think it possible to go out without 10, 000PHP so I might have to reconsider. For how much people make there per hour, you'd probably be better off hiring security so you have 5 guys to even odds out a little bit. Please tell whatever else you are comfortable with.Yes it is a ghetto and lots of people including the police out to extort and rob. You.

I try to stay in hotels with security. And then walk very fast and don't stop for anyone.

Try not to carry too much money but sometimes I do.

I have seen the smoking ban arrests on tv and in the newspapers here. So they are enforcing it but as a foreigner.

They will extort and rob under the guise of something.

You can report the robbery to the police. But I am not sure I would?

Maybe better to team up. And keep low profile walk fast and be ready to run.

I do have friend that hires a police officer to go out with him?

I have walked around ermita and malate a lot with cash. Go to atm etc. Lucky so far.

But one day I was walking with some girls I know and the way I walk they were two blocks behind me.

They were walking fast but I really go fast and don't let anyone get close to me.

And look for places to go into in case of bad vibes.

I have only been robbed in taxis in the airport and while driving by the police.

Taxi driver tried to rob me an one tried to extort me once I was in the vehicle.

So even taxis are not safe.

Got to really be ready to run fight or give up some cash?

Red Kilt
07-03-11, 03:48
Yeah, its not safe but what is in Manila. The girls are over the top, even the con artists are over the top. I got mugged tonight on the way to LA Cafe because I tried to resist some smoking violation con. When they couldn't run the con, they used force. Basically a little van full of 6 people pulled up and a guy jumped out and yelled smoking violation and grabbed my arm. I already know these scams, so I tried to run toward MBC but another guy jumped out and grabbed my arm. So these guys dragged me up into the van and I did not resist further since I knew where it was going if I play along, but didn't know what they would do if I resisted too much. There were a van load of people (supposedly other detainees) to kick my ass and take the money by force, and I didn't want to get hit. Nobody tried to help me when these guys were pulling me into this van. SNIPThe smoking ban started on July 1.
The fine is 500 php not 5000.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/smoking-ban-philippine-capital-132356200.html

Member #3439
07-03-11, 07:31
Wow that is an amazing and horrifying story. I would love to know your general age, what kind of clothes you wear all that good stuff to see if they might be profiling a bit. I've been in a lot of bad areas in my life and have never even come close to anything like this. I don't walk down extremely dark small alleys, but certainly I have been in many third world countires walking back to my hotel around 3-4AM and I keep alert but I've never even got a weird look from anyone.Well, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So in a sick way I am happy that it happened and it was the best possible outcome. Because I don't carry much cash, and don't wear any watches or jewelrey, carry cards or anything. And I already knew scams like this. In places where there is no smoking ban, they will try to do these things for jaywalking or spitting. If you are a white guy or a black guy somewhere in Asia or Latin America, you are a target no matter how you dress. I dress down. I am younger than most. I walk fast. People here don't walk fast. It makes you look out of place to do so.

I did not know there was a smoking ban for real until I got back to the hotel and asked it it was true at all. Shit, this place is nothing but squalor and iniquity and I did not figure that they would be so gentrified to have a ban on smoking in public in a place. They don't even have a ordinance against raising livestock in Ermita. Every night at 4 am fucking roosters start crowing and waking me up, and crow all day long. Only place I've seen an outdoor smoking ban is Tokyo. Even in the US, where everyone is a bunch of health nuts and vehemently anti-smoking, if its outdoors you can smoke anywhere and toss a butt anywhere you feel like it.

This scam seemed really realistic when they stopped at the Ermita police station and those people went into like a little fenced in holding area. The scammer cops told me those people had been arrested for public drinking and they did smell strongly of alcohol. So who knows, maybe these were real cops, just crooked ones robbing me. They didn't come into the hotel after me to arrest me, so. It just seems like a whole lot of trouble to go to for a straight out scam, police shirt, police badge, stopping at station, etc. But if they had been sucessful they would have come way with 3500 extra for the trouble so I guess the window dressing pays off most times.

From now on I take a cab. The problem is that walking back may be safer than taking a cab from outside MBC. I don't know what those cabbies could do. Might be the same thing as being grabbed.

I got pursued for about 7 blocks by a street walker that followed me from the KTV district. Damn! I had to duck into a restaurant and go out the back door to get away. I like it here in Manila. It is a lot of adventure, like Indiana Jones style mongering. Good pussy and good stories to tell when I am old and drooling in my oatmeal, if I make it that far. However, I can't imagine mongering in these kind of places exclusively like some do. It's fairly a depressing place outside the bars. And every girl has some sob story about family or men. Being a Rio regular, I am used to WGs that are just really wanton and love the lifestyle of having cash and attention, and being in an environment that is poor but happy. I think the WGs there would spread at the same rate for free if they weren't getting paid, cause it's their style. In Jakarta last year and now PI, I find just the opposite that girls say they don't prefer this life but want the money. Not a very romantic thing to say to a monger..haha. The girls don't own up to what they are. Just a temporary thing, but then they say they will still do it after they get degrees and stuff. Once a WG, always a WG. Once a monger, always a monger!


I personally didn't think it possible to go out without 10, 000PHP so I might have to reconsider. .

Woah! Yes its possible. I am going out and spending max 400 on food, and max maybe 1000 on drinks. So I carry only 1500 and change. If I get a girl, 1500 ST or 2000 all night paid at the hotel. So 10000 for me is like a whole week of girls spending nights in my hotel from midnight to 10 am, with fucks at night and fucks in the morning. I be scared of losing that.

FreebieFan
07-03-11, 08:32
I did not know there was a smoking ban for real until I got back to the hotel and asked it it was true at all. Shit, this place is nothing but squalor and iniquity and I did not figure that they would be so gentrified to have a ban on smoking in public in a place. They don't even have a ordinance against raising livestock in Ermita. Every night at 4 am fucking roosters start crowing and waking me up, and crow all day long. Only place I've seen an outdoor smoking ban is Tokyo. Even in the US, where everyone is a bunch of health nuts and vehemently anti-smoking, if its outdoors you can smoke anywhere and toss a butt anywhere you feel like it.Its a new ban, recently introduced to make Manila look like a modern city. A few cigarette butts, whilst distasteful are nothing compared to the carbon monoxide put out by smoke belching jeepneys, but no one goes after the jeepneys, as they are a powerful lobby who can shut the nations movement in a hurry so they are left alone. The metro Manila smoking ban is all for show. A couple years back there was a ban introduced in Makati against smoking in bars, restaurants etc. A few guys got fined, and now two years later, everyone smokes the same as normal even with such a law. This law is one for show only. A few people will get stopped for a few weeks and thats all.

As for the livestock. Well figure every residence (and I use the word loosely) has one cock or two. And thats a whole lot of noisy cocks at 4am.

Singapore has a very heavy ban on smoking almost everywhere except in designated little yellow squares, and Singaporeans being the weak willed folk they are follow the ban totally. The fine for not doing so is something astonishingly high. Then again the fine for riding a bike, and not pushing, it in the subway tunnel near Clark Quay is S$10, 000 (US$7, 000!) so that may also be why Singaporeans follow the rules LOL

Soapy Smith
07-03-11, 10:26
From now on I take a cab. The problem is that walking back may be safer than taking a cab from outside MBC. I don't know what those cabbies could do. Might be the same thing as being grabbed.An unfortunate but informative experience. Thanks for sharing PP, and I'm sorry you experienced this.

Cabs from directly in front of any of Manila's mongering haunts also have their potential pitfalls. From a former WG whom I trust came this story. She left the former LA Cafe with a well-dressed European monger whom she'd been with before. He was staying at one of the better hotels near Vito Cruz, maybe Traders or Century Park. They got in a cab in front of LAC and he told the driver to go to the hotel. The cabbie called somebody on his cellphone. The woman thought he was going abnormally slow. It was night, traffic wasn't bad, and most cabbies like to get there quickly, collect, and move on. About half way to the hotel, near the 24-hour Aristocrats restaurant, a police car pulled the cab over. No apparent reason. They told the European to get out and started searching him. When one started to stick a hand in his pocket he resisted. He explained to her later he feared they'd plant drugs on him. But he pulled out his wallet and pulled his pockets inside out to show he had nothing to hide. They went through his wallet then handed it back. Later he discovered they'd cleaned him out of 5000 or more pesos, leaving him barely enough to pay the cab fare. The woman is convinced the cabbie and the corrupt police were in cahoots.

Some recommend walking a block away from MBC before taking a cab-either to the corner of Mabini and Romero-Salas or to the right out of MBC on Romero-Salas toward the bay and the frontage road by Roxas. One regular indicates that the police sometimes set up on Romero-Salas in the block between del Pilar and Mabini, so maybe taking the right toward Roxas is the better bet. It is not well lighted and only one little outdoor eatery along the way, however, until you get near Roxas. In general, I think there is some advantage to going that directions simply because so few others do, and so the bad guys are less likely to be set up to trap you in that block of street.

In short, there is no 100% safe exit from MBC. My trusted female source insists that because foreigners are deliberately targeted, even being accompanied by a Filipina makes the foreigner a more difficult target because she can yell and attract attention in Tagalog, call on a cellphone, and even wield rocks, sticks, and other weapons within reach. But women alone are also vulnerable to the police because of some archaic curfew law for unaccompanied women at night on the streets of Manila. It's just another of the many police shakedown devices.

Some good advice from others: carry only enough money to pay for drinks, food, and taxi; leave big cash, passport and credit cards at the hotel; better to carry a xerox copy of the passport or other picture I'd; walk quickly and with purpose and don't flash jewelry and other valuables.

MadisonGuy
07-03-11, 15:42
Woah! Yes its possible. I am going out and spending max 400 on food, and max maybe 1000 on drinks. So I carry only 1500 and change. If I get a girl, 1500 ST or 2000 all night paid at the hotel. So 10000 for me is like a whole week of girls spending nights in my hotel from midnight to 10 am, with fucks at night and fucks in the morning. I be scared of losing that.Wow got to say you sound pretty careful, I thought maybe you were older or asian and they were picking you out. Regardless because of the smoking thing you became an "easy" target. I have to think it's pretty similar to Tijuana with police extorsion, I could be wrong though. Hopefully I will buddy up with some mongers when I'm there and we can try to walk in groups, hard to do though when your cock is hard and you want to leave. I might be missing something, don't girls have exit fees? I thought I needed to carry the money for the exit fee also which seems ranges dramatically. I'm going to be the dumb ass monger that has to have the European or anything exotic and get charged because of it. I will definetely be carrying less money with me in the beginning for sure.

Sammon
07-03-11, 16:06
It is prudent to catch a running taxi from Mabini street. Just exit MBC and go north through the small st where there are few mideastern restaurents to Mabini. Mabini is a major st where you can find cruising taxis all hours.

Never catch cruising taxis from del pilar. These cabbies know what MBC is and all forigners hang out there. In other words farther away you catch the taxi from MBC, it is better. Beware that some girls are shady as well.

She may pretend to go to ladies room before going with you and calling some cabbie she knows for a set up. Never get into the cab suggested by the girl.

Allover
07-03-11, 16:31
The P. I is the most dangerous Asian mongering country IMHO. You won't find a "robbed near" section in any of the other Asian forums. When catching a taxi from MBC, I always grab one that is dropping off foreigners at the bar. I believe they are more likely to be regular taxi drivers, not robbers.

Puta Playa I am guessing you were dealing with real cops. They treated you differently in the hope of a bigger payoff. I doubt the other people in the van could pay as much as you. Thanks for sharing your story. It reminds all of us to be more vigilant when mongering abroad. And thanks to all for sharing safety tips. They are valuable for newbies and veterans alike.

Mc Don
07-03-11, 16:49
I normally get the number of the cabby that brought me to MBC in first place and txt him to pick me up latter. Just tip the guy few peso and you will be fine. Much better option then arguing with the malate taxi mafia late at night.

WouldTryIt
07-03-11, 20:48
It is prudent to catch a running taxi from Mabini street. Just exit MBC and go north through the small st where there are few mideastern restaurents to Mabini. Mabini is a major st where you can find cruising taxis all hours.

Never catch cruising taxis from del pilar. These cabbies know what MBC is and all forigners hang out there. In other words farther away you catch the taxi from MBC, it is better. Beware that some girls are shady as well.

She may pretend to go to ladies room before going with you and calling some cabbie she knows for a set up. Never get into the cab suggested by the girl.So why go with the girl if you don't trust her?

MadisonGuy
07-03-11, 21:53
So why go with the girl if you don't trust her?If that were the way things worked I'm sure half the guys would never go with any girls. I for one never trust the girl, I act like I do, but unless I'm wasted my guard is way up all the time.

Jbiz979
07-04-11, 02:06
Has any one stayed at the New Horizon Hotel and can you give me a review? 2nd I have a girl that I am going to see in manila and she is the only one that will know where I stay. I'm wondering is there so cheap hotels that I can take a few chicks I meet, non pros just girls I meet randomly as I don't want them to know where I am staying?

Sammon
07-04-11, 02:27
So why go with the girl if you don't trust her?All I am saying is be on your guard. Girl involved in the scam has happened few times.

X Man
07-04-11, 03:04
Wow, now I'm doubly glad that I'm flying direct to Cebu and giving Manila the big miss!

MD can you clarify what you mean by "robbed. In the airport"? Do you been force was used, or was it the standard over charge?


SNIP.

I have only been robbed in taxis in the airport and while driving by the police.

Taxi driver tried to rob me an one tried to extort me once I was in the vehicle.

So even taxis are not safe.

Got to really be ready to run fight or give up some cash?

Econo Tech
07-04-11, 03:49
I normally get the number of the cabby that brought me to MBC in first place and txt him to pick me up latter. Just tip the guy few peso and you will be fine. Much better option then arguing with the malate taxi mafia late at night.Or, as sammon says, and as my friend staff in LAC has reminded me, never take a cab in the queue as there is NO QUEUE.

I had one guy trying hard to 'find' a cab, and when I waved a cab down, he opened the door and asked me 100 peso. For what? For booking the cab.

Well, rule # 1. Never [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the natives. I just smiled and told him that the driver is my friend. And before anything transpir.

As for the PutaPlaya, the cops would have been regular cops trying to do a school tuition bonus. If you been in Philippines, you will know. There are seasons when everybody is in need of $. And seasons when robberies go up. Like Christmas time.

Lakeside
07-04-11, 06:08
I normally get the number of the cabby that brought me to MBC in first place and txt him to pick me up latter. Just tip the guy few peso and you will be fine. Much better option then arguing with the malate taxi mafia late at night.Either do as McD says or just keep the phone number of a reliable taxi driver and text him when you are back in Manila and book him for any night going out. It is cheaper than the hotel taxi and a good and safe solution. I stay normally in Makati and with my regular taxi driver I have not faced any hassles when going to MBC and especially when leaving there.

Member #3439
07-04-11, 06:27
Or, as sammon says, and as my friend staff in LAC has reminded me, never take a cab in the queue as there is NO QUEUE.

As for the PutaPlaya, the cops would have been regular cops trying to do a school tuition bonus. If you been in Philippines, you will know. There are seasons when everybody is in need of $. And seasons when robberies go up. Like Christmas time.I see that it is best to go right toward Roxas, to avoid mugging.

Yes, guys the more I think about it the more clear it becomes to me that this was no fake cops scam ala Latin America. This *probably* must have been real police that are just that crooked to extort money from me like that. The shirt, real looking I'd badge, stopping at stations to let people off. Real pro con artists don't need to run such a realistic game for such small sums. Nevertheless the outcome could have been horrible if I called their bluff, ran again, or whatever. Good thing that I believed they were just con artists and played along. Else I might be sitting in jail or worse.

I am out of Manila now because I repeated on an MBC girl and the second time I agreed to session her, she decided that I was going to be her boyfriend or something whether I agree or not. So she was getting ready to ruin my cheap mongering spot for me, and my time was running short anyway, so I cut my drama potential and left. She mentioned that she was out with a friend and was thinking about stopping by my room unannounced one night. Yikes I don't like that. I was about to get the full Pinay treatment that I hear so much about, so I decided to leave town since I knew this girl was about to start stalking me. Threatened to come looking for me if she finds herself pregnant, as if she doesn't take the pill like every other WG in the world, or furthermore as if I am the only one she rides BB. I recommend not repeating on any of these girls unless you want to become locked down and unable to move freely through the herd at MBC.

Fast Eddie 48
07-04-11, 06:45
The P. I is the most dangerous Asian mongering country IMHO. You won't find a "robbed near" section in any of the other Asian forums. When catching a taxi from MBC, I always grab one that is dropping off foreigners at the bar. I believe they are more likely to be regular taxi drivers, not robbers.

Puta Playa I am guessing you were dealing with real cops. They treated you differently in the hope of a bigger payoff. I doubt the other people in the van could pay as much as you. Thanks for sharing your story. It reminds all of us to be more vigilant when mongering abroad. And thanks to all for sharing safety tips. They are valuable for newbies and veterans alike.To Allover,

I don't think is danger everywhere in PI mainly Manila one of the most danger in the world other than Mexico city, I feel safe in place like Baguio and Cebu city.

Fast Eddie 48

GoodEnough
07-04-11, 12:11
Has any one stayed at the New Horizon Hotel and can you give me a review? 2nd I have a girl that I am going to see in manila and she is the only one that will know where I stay. I'm wondering is there so cheap hotels that I can take a few chicks I meet, non pros just girls I meet randomly as I don't want them to know where I am staying?I don't really understand the fear of having girls "stalk" you. There are a couple of ways to avoid this. First, stay in a hotel in which no one can just walk in and go to your room. That is, stay in a place with decent security-say with key cards for the lift or decent guards-and tell the hotel management that no one is permitted to your room unless accompanied by you. If you do get the random knock on the door, don't open it. Call security and have the person escorted out. Second, if the aforementioned doesn't appeal to you, change rooms. Go to another floor, another room on the same floor, or another hotel. Third, don't give the girl your correct name, and surely not your family name. That way, if you've changed your room and in a place with slack security, she still couldn't find you. And finally, tell the people at the front desk that you want them to phone you in your room in the event anyone comes asking for you.

I cannot imagine being hounded out of Manila, or anywhere else, by some random pick up from the night before.

GE

Butter69
07-04-11, 12:24
To all you guys mongering in the Phillipines, have you ever seen any girls that look like the Filipino pornstar Charmane Star?

Just asking, as I'm trying to work out what the quality of the girls is like out there. Plus I think she's really hot!

Jon von Neumann
07-04-11, 13:29
The P. I is the most dangerous Asian mongering country IMHO. You won't find a "robbed near" section in any of the other Asian forums. When catching a taxi from MBC, I always grab one that is dropping off foreigners at the bar. I believe they are more likely to be regular taxi drivers, not robbers.Allover,

I doubt it. You should read the Shanghai thread, where reports of being drugged in one bar or another and being taken for multiple credit card charges of up to US$15, 000 or being blackmailed by a gang using WGs as baits are rather common. Worse still in Shanghai you could be kidnapped by touts for a ransome. I am just saying. I've never been to Shanghai and probably never would go there, at least not for mongering.

Tiger 888
07-04-11, 13:36
Allover,

I doubt it. You should read the Shanghai thread, where reports of being drugged in one bar or another and being taken for multiple credit card charges of up to US$15, 000 or being blackmailed by a gang using WGs as baits are rather common. Worse still in Shanghai you could be kidnapped by touts for a ransome. I am just saying. I've never been to Shanghai and probably never would go there, at least not for mongering.I feel comfortable walking in Shanghai anywhere anytime alone, I can't say that for Manila. I know both places quite well and consider Shanghai not dangerous if using common sense.

That does not apply to Donguan and Shenzhen though.

FreebieFan
07-04-11, 14:19
I cannot imagine being hounded out of Manila, or anywhere else, by some random pick up from the night before.

GEI don't understand some of this. Maybe I'm totally fortuitous, or maybe I select well, or maybe my freebies are totally trouble free, but in past 20 years of mongering I had one strange situation with police in Fort Bonifacio. I had one nutcase in Malaysia which caused me to change my phone. And thats the only slightly off kilter stuff thats ever happened. Maybe fortuitous, good Karma or whatever.

Ezinho
07-04-11, 15:07
I like it here in Manila. It is a lot of adventure, like Indiana Jones style mongering. Good pussy and good stories to tell when I am old and drooling in my oatmeal, if I make it that far.Fantastic reporting on the Manila scene, Puta Playa. It's been a while since anyone posted a positive report about LA / Manila Bay Cafe. Most reports as of late made it sounds like the quality is so bad now, to not even bother going there. I pulled some good pussy out of LA Cafe a couple years back; cheap, too. Glad to hear a good time can still be had.

And your description of Manila as Indian Jones-style mongering is right on. Just walking from the Executive Plaza hotel to LA Cafe is like being in some sort of fucked up obstacle course.

Again, great reporting. If you're ever in Seoul, send me a PM. Beers are on me.

WestCoast1
07-04-11, 15:29
Fantastic reporting on the Manila scene, Puta Playa.

And your description of Manila as Indian Jones-style mongering is right on. Just walking from the Executive Plaza hotel to LA Cafe is like being in some sort of fucked up obstacle course.Playa has been around the block. He has many posts from his travels in central / south americas, and Indonesia. I winged with him in Jakarta last year; he is a good guy. I think his posts about getting scammed (cops) and hardcore stalker girls and scammers / beggars (refusing to leave the room) , underscore the 'wild-west' nature that is filipines. Such a shy people, at the same time juxtaposed with a growing westernized youth who seem fearless at times. What's that song?"One night in Bangkok makes a hard man humble." I still categorize phils as the strangest, most dichotomous place I've been.

On the other hand, many naive newbies have returned from phils, reporting good times, and never had a problem.

Undercoverh
07-04-11, 17:09
Not much up-to-date info here regarding KTVs in Manila. I was checking out You Tube and lots of videos of KTVs in Manila, the girls look really hot! I would like to know feedback from guys here on their POV regarding KTVs in Manila. Also, what is the pricing for sex, drinks, how long the girl will go with you? And, which is the best KTV to go to and where is it located. I will be in Manila next month to meet 2 long time girlfriends. Spend Monday, Tuesday, and Wed with one. And Friday night, Saturday and Sunday with anohter. One is 22 and the other is 50. Ya, I know, 50, but she gives the best of sex, anal, BBBJ, cim, fun to be with and I have known her for 4 years. She is like my second wife.....I really....well.....sort of....kind of....love her. : - O

The younger one, I would be willling to get an apartment with and support her which total cost no more than $150 month. Ya, I know what you are thinking. But, I have know since she was 18 and I was her first, really. First time sex, blood and the virgin pussy. My first virgin since I was 19, and now I am in my 50s. So, having this sweet thing all to myself is worth the cost. Trust is an risky word, but I trust her that she is only with me, so I have bare back sex with her. I know her family, friends, chruch memebers, etc. They all know she is for me and they think I will marry her.......maybe when I am really old. $150 per month is really nothing to me. I spend that much on one shot sex with girls in Macau. I will have a day or so breack from each of them. I was going to go to AC, but with the raids there, I guess I will just stay in Manila. I have been to the EDSA bar complex many times, I now what a change of girlie action. Thanks for any input gents.

Allover
07-04-11, 18:18
Allover,

I doubt it. You should read the Shanghai thread, where reports of being drugged in one bar or another and being taken for multiple credit card charges of up to US$15, 000 or being blackmailed by a gang using WGs as baits are rather common. Worse still in Shanghai you could be kidnapped by touts for a ransome. I am just saying. I've never been to Shanghai and probably never would go there, at least not for mongering.I've been to Shanghai and there is no comparison. Shanghai is much cleaner and safer than Manila for a Western monger. You can walk around Shanghai at night and nobody will mess with you. You will never read about a Shanghai cop or even a taxi driver robbing a foreigner. It doesn't happen.

Jon von Neumann
07-04-11, 19:13
I've been to Shanghai and there is no comparison. Shanghai is much cleaner and safer than Manila for a Western monger. You can walk around Shanghai at night and nobody will mess with you. You will never read about a Shanghai cop or even a taxi driver robbing a foreigner. It doesn't happen.I wasn't talking only about walking around at night. As I said in my ealier post, I've never been to Shanghai; but I have been to Manila. I am going by all the reports I've read about Shanghai and have concluded that it is vastly more unsafe than Manila for mongering. I gave several reasons (eg, knockout drugs, untrustworthy parlours seem to be everywhere from the reports on Shanghai thread) which you and Tiger 888 didn't addressed. Manila maybe more dangerous than Shanghai for walking. Can you address other aspects of danger? If Shanghai is safe for walking at all hours of the day, is it safer than Manila in other ways like knowing that you can trust a bar or a mongering spot not to drug or kidnap you?

Member #3439
07-04-11, 20:32
I don't really understand the fear of having girls "stalk" you. There are a couple of ways to avoid this. First, stay in a hotel in which no one can just walk in and go to your room. That is, stay in a place with decent security-say with key cards for the lift or decent guards-and tell the hotel management that no one is permitted to your room unless accompanied by you. If you do get the random knock on the door, don't open it. Call security and have the person escorted out. Second, if the aforementioned doesn't appeal to you, change rooms. Go to another floor, another room on the same floor, or another hotel. Third, don't give the girl your correct name, and surely not your family name. That way, if you've changed your room and in a place with slack security, she still couldn't find you. And finally, tell the people at the front desk that you want them to phone you in your room in the event anyone comes asking for you.In my experience, hotel people are fairly lax about giving out names of people. If you know a persons name, you can get the room number from the front desk people with no questions asked. I do it all the time when traveling with colleagues that arrive before me. Even at higher end places like Hilton Hotels. Or vice versa if you came into a hotel in MNL and claimed to have been wronged by a foreign guy whom you stayed with in room X on night X, it is all computerized and they have your passport info. No problem to backtrace that and run some scam on the guy once he has returned home.

The first time I banged her, she didn't mention pregnancy stuff. The second time I shot a huge one and as she laid on the bed on her belly there was like a big rope of jizz even dripping down from her pussy to the sheets. She reached back and wiped at it and then said if she gets pregnant she is finding me. And I was like WTF is she setting me up for a scam? Because I cannot imagine that she would bareback like that if she was not on the pill. So as I led her out I blocked the room number tag with my body and ran a distraction to keep her from seeing it when we left the room, after hearing her pregnancy 'threat'. Every night she is doing shabu and getting cold drunk at some high end clubs with big cover charges where she tries to pick up rich foreigners who think she is non-pro, and then ends up telling them that she'll need money to sleep with them because she doesn't fuck anyone for free. Hopefully after she left my room she went and got so fucked up with those guys to forget my room number.

I wasn't hounded out. I wanted to leave, a little bit, for reasons other than Manila. The fact that the girl was insisting that I was to be a BF and take her out of her quote 'horrible shitty life that she never wanted this way but got tricked into when she ran away her shitty family in the province', and her driving my other MBC favorites away and talking preggers. And the fact she has a screw loose talking to me about how many times she has 'tried' to kill herself because she can't be with her daughter. And the fact that she told me I was to be her BF from now on and that she wanted me to screw all her friends while she watches because it turns her on, but would 'kill you, no shit, kill you for screwing a girl behind my back.' (Laying down rules as if I had already agreed to be her BF or was not going to be given a choice!!??) All this talk about birthing and killing and stopping by my room, etc. That made me think yeah it is time to leave and go do something else for now.

Blackangst
07-04-11, 20:53
To all you guys mongering in the Phillipines, have you ever seen any girls that look like the Filipino pornstar Charmane Star?

Just asking, as I'm trying to work out what the quality of the girls is like out there. Plus I think she's really hot!Meh. She's ok. Much prettier girls in Makati strolling through Greenbelt. To answer your question, yes there are.

Chocha Monger
07-04-11, 21:37
In my experience, hotel people are fairly lax about giving out names of people. If you know a persons name, you can get the room number from the front desk people with no questions asked. I do it all the time when traveling with colleagues that arrive before me. Even at higher end places like Hilton Hotels. Or vice versa if you came into a hotel in MNL and claimed to have been wronged by a foreign guy whom you stayed with in room X on night X, it is all computerized and they have your passport info. No problem to backtrace that and run some scam on the guy once he has returned home.

The first time I banged her, she didn't mention pregnancy stuff. The second time I shot a huge one and as she laid on the bed on her belly there was like a big rope of jizz even dripping down from her pussy to the sheets. She reached back and wiped at it and then said if she gets pregnant she is finding me. And I was like WTF is she setting me up for a scam? Because I cannot imagine that she would bareback like that if she was not on the pill. So as I led her out I blocked the room number tag with my body and ran a distraction to keep her from seeing it when we left the room, after hearing her pregnancy 'threat'. Every night she is doing shabu and getting cold drunk at some high end clubs with big cover charges where she tries to pick up rich foreigners who think she is non-pro, and then ends up telling them that she'll need money to sleep with them because she doesn't fuck anyone for free. Hopefully after she left my room she went and got so fucked up with those guys to forget my room number.

I wasn't hounded out. I wanted to leave, a little bit, for reasons other than Manila. The fact that the girl was insisting that I was to be a BF and take her out of her quote 'horrible shitty life that she never wanted this way but got tricked into when she ran away her shitty family in the province', and her driving my other MBC favorites away and talking preggers. And the fact she has a screw loose talking to me about how many times she has 'tried' to kill herself because she can't be with her daughter. And the fact that she told me I was to be her BF from now on and that she wanted me to screw all her friends while she watches because it turns her on, but would 'kill you, no shit, kill you for screwing a girl behind my back. ' (Laying down rules as if I had already agreed to be her BF or was not going to be given a choice!) All this talk about birthing and killing and stopping by my room, etc. That made me think yeah it is time to leave and go do something else for now.Some women claim to be able to feel the moment of conception. Maybe that huge rope of jizz you shot in her really did knock her up. A lot of Filipinas bareback without being on the pill. They seem to be convinced that the pill and injection are harmful chemicals that would render them sterile for life. Poverty and dubious paternity no deterrent to reproduction in the Philippines.

Econo Tech
07-05-11, 03:32
Some women claim to be able to feel the moment of conception. Maybe that huge rope of jizz you shot in her really did knock her up. A lot of Filipinas bareback without being on the pill. They seem to be convinced that the pill and injection are harmful chemicals that would render them sterile for life. Poverty and dubious paternity no deterrent to reproduction in the Philippines.And the Church harping on the bad effects of the pills + 'natural method is the way to go" story doesn't help much.

It is mostly about the church. And every sermon touches on 'don't use pills. '

Econo Tech
07-05-11, 03:32
To all you guys mongering in the Phillipines, have you ever seen any girls that look like the Filipino pornstar Charmane Star?

Just asking, as I'm trying to work out what the quality of the girls is like out there. Plus I think she's really hot!You are funny!

Yeah, a lot are there. But. You got to dose up your beer and all will look the same.

Or check out chozadate. You can rent a replica.

Member #3439
07-05-11, 06:33
And the Church harping on the bad effects of the pills + 'natural method is the way to go" story doesn't help much.

It is mostly about the church. And every sermon touches on 'don't use pills. 'I hope when they chose to break that law against premarital sex, they chose to break the anti-pill law too. When I get back MBC later this fall, I'll be hoping no one remembers me. They forget my name after a day, so I probably need not worry about them remembering the face after months...haha. These girls just fuck us and forget us. Boom-boom, cha-ching $$$$! Thank you sir!

Had I known these cultural aspects, I would not have been dropping loads so freely in the Filipinas. I popped raw in a Cebu gogo girl and 2 MBC girls. The MBC ones already had kids in province that they are sending money. I feel bad for those kids having absentee moms. I figured the girls would definitely 100% protect themselves due to being pros, despite any things like church teachings or wives tales about sterility. We trust them to take preventative steps since they are professional enough to command money for their sex. And trust them not to try to make a international paternity case against us for any outcomes that they could have prevented. I'm not the only one doing this, however unsafe it is, and thankfully I've never heard of a girl actually hunting some monger down abroad as this girl threatened. Else we'd need an ISG legal defense fund here for all the shit we stir up abroad.

No offense, but I really wish you hadn't mentioned the Catholic church because I get a sneaking feeling that you are right and the Catholic WGs worldwide are indeed *selectively* pious. Not just in Manila. Clearly they obey rules that they can easily follow and ignoring the ones they don't like. I understand that it can be rationalized that its okay to break rules against selling ass if you are poor and need the money, but be wrong to use contraception while selling that ass. Last year in Rio I was sessioning with a Catholic WG, just a green newbie to the profession. She wasn't every enthusiastic and I was losing wood because of the lack of interaction and the condom. She got frustrated and took the rubber off and told me not to cum in her. Once the rubber came off, I was hard as hell and she had a whole new enthusiasm as well. After that, we were like really hot for each other and her tongue was practically down my throat time. If I tried to break the kiss she would pull me right back to her. And when I ready was to pop and started to pull out, she actually pulled my hips toward her so I was all the way in. And although she wanted me to pull out for some reason on day 1, she was pulling me IN for the shot everyday for 4 straight days after that. Then I left town and 2 months later people on ISG said that she had quit the casa and apparently left the Rio P4P industry all together. Totally dropped off the scene, which is just almost unheard of in Rio unless a WG moves or gets married. I fear the church and my dick had something to do with it, but figured she *knows* better and was just asking me to pull out because of disease risk and not because of preg risk. So, yikes. Hope you aren't right about this logic because it would apply not only to Manila chicks but also to this Rio girl that has been concerning me.

MadisonGuy
07-05-11, 06:48
I hope when they chose to break that law against premarital sex, they chose to break the anti-pill law too. When I get back MBC later this fall, I'll be hoping no one remembers me. They forget my name after day, so I probably need not worry about them remembering the face after months. Haha. These girls just fuck us and forget us. Boom-boom, cha-ching $$$$! Thank you sir!

Had I known these cultural aspects, I would not have been dropping loads so freely in the Filipinas. I popped raw in a Cebu gogo girl and 2 MBC girls. The MBC ones already had kids in province that they are sending money. I feel bad for those kids having absentee moms. I figured the girls would definitely 100% protect themselves due to being pros, despite any things like church teachings or wives tales about sterility. We trust them to take preventative steps since they are professional enough to command money for their sex. And trust them not to try to make a international paternity case against us for any outcomes that they could have prevented. I'm no the only one doing this, however unsafe it is, and thankfully I've never heard of a girl actually hunting some monger down abroad as this girl threatened. Else we'd need an ISG legal defense fund here for all the shit we stir up abroad.

No offense, but I really wish you hadn't mentioned the Catholic church because I get a sneaking feeling that you are right and the Catholic WGs worldwide are indeeed *selectively* pious. Not just in Manila. Obeying rules that they can easily follow and ignoring the ones they don't like. For example it can be rationalized that its okay to break rules against selling ass if you are poor and need the money, but be wrong to use contraception while selling that ass. Last year in Rio I was sessioning with a Catholic WG, just a green newbie to the profession. She wasn't every enthusiastic and I was losing wood because of the lack of interaction and the condom. She got frustrated and took the rubber off and told me not to cum in her. Once the rubber came off, I was hard as hell and she had a whole new enthusiasm as well. After that, we were like really hot for each other and her tongue was practically down my throat time. If I tried to break the kiss she would pull me right back to her. And when I ready was to pop and started to pull out, she actually pulled my hips toward her so I was all the way in. And although she wanted me to pull out for some reason on day 1, she was pulling me IN for the shot everyday for 4 straight days after that. Then I left town and 2 months later people on ISG said that she had quit the casa and apparently left the Rio P4P industry all together. Totally dropped off the scene, which is just almost unheard of in Rio unless a WG moves or gets married. I fear the church and my dick had something to do with it, but figured she *knows* better and was just asking me to pull out because of disease risk and not because of preg risk. So, yikes. Hope you aren't right about this logic because it would apply not only to Manila chicks but also to this Rio girl that has been concerning me.That personally wouldn't bother me, the std thing would get to me more. I'm really hoping soon they come up with cheaper test kits. HIV is still like 50 for at home and it should come with the clap checker too. I'd love to bareback but the fear of my penis falling off always prevails. If a new std comes out that makes your cock fall off odds are it will happen somewhere like the Philippines.

Chocha Monger
07-05-11, 06:59
I hope when they chose to break that law against premarital sex, they chose to break the anti-pill law too. When I get back MBC later this fall, I'll be hoping no one remembers me. They forget my name after a day, so I probably need not worry about them remembering the face after months. Haha. These girls just fuck us and forget us. Boom-boom, cha-ching $$$$! Thank you sir!

Had I known these cultural aspects, I would not have been dropping loads so freely in the Filipinas. I popped raw in a Cebu gogo girl and 2 MBC girls. The MBC ones already had kids in province that they are sending money. I feel bad for those kids having absentee moms. I figured the girls would definitely 100% protect themselves due to being pros, despite any things like church teachings or wives tales about sterility. We trust them to take preventative steps since they are professional enough to command money for their sex. And trust them not to try to make a international paternity case against us for any outcomes that they could have prevented. I'm not the only one doing this, however unsafe it is, and thankfully I've never heard of a girl actually hunting some monger down abroad as this girl threatened. Else we'd need an ISG legal defense fund here for all the shit we stir up abroad.

No offense, but I really wish you hadn't mentioned the Catholic church because I get a sneaking feeling that you are right and the Catholic WGs worldwide are indeed *selectively* pious. Not just in Manila. Clearly they obey rules that they can easily follow and ignoring the ones they don't like. Is this so in Manila? I understand that it can be rationalized that its okay to break rules against selling ass if you are poor and need the money, but be wrong to use contraception while selling that ass. Last year in Rio I was sessioning with a Catholic WG, just a green newbie to the profession. She wasn't every enthusiastic and I was losing wood because of the lack of interaction and the condom. She got frustrated and took the rubber off and told me not to cum in her. Once the rubber came off, I was hard as hell and she had a whole new enthusiasm as well. After that, we were like really hot for each other and her tongue was practically down my throat time. If I tried to break the kiss she would pull me right back to her. And when I ready was to pop and started to pull out, she actually pulled my hips toward her so I was all the way in. And although she wanted me to pull out for some reason on day 1, she was pulling me IN for the shot everyday for 4 straight days after that. Then I left town and 2 months later people on ISG said that she had quit the casa and apparently left the Rio P4P industry all together. Totally dropped off the scene, which is just almost unheard of in Rio unless a WG moves or gets married. I fear the church and my dick had something to do with it, but figured she *knows* better and was just asking me to pull out because of disease risk and not because of preg risk. So, yikes. Hope you aren't right about this logic because it would apply not only to Manila chicks but also to this Rio girl that has been concerning me.There is a good chance that a little Puta Playa is somewhere out there. Those girls tend to be pretty fertile and a few hot loads dropped deep in their pussy pen is all it takes to knock them up.

Frenzy3
07-05-11, 07:32
Pina are not inclined to use both, due to the catholic church they think it is more of a sin to use contraception than to have sex. I had one girl admit to me she never has used a condom and thought she was unable to have kids. I have met bar girl who due to std have had ovaries removed.

All to often I see bar girls having baby after baby some with kano and then they are back working in the bar until the baby is of age to work in the bar. I know of 3 girls who have had kids just in the last 6 months 1 is a kano.

I post this here as puta playa if a girl ask you to withdraw do it, and not boast how you may have impregnated her.

Frenzy3
07-05-11, 08:27
The Philippines' population growth rate of around 2. 0 percent is above Southeast Asia's average of around 1. 7 percent, with an estimated 200 babies born every hour. Lack of a national policy on birth control and access to modern family planning methods — frowned upon by the powerful Catholic church — are some of the factors that have led to the country's population ballooning to nearly 100 million, according to various government and private sector estimates, with the Philippines the second most populous nation in the region after Indonesia.

http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/06/06/6795192-us-development-assistance-helps-cut-child-mortality-in-the-philippines

Member #3439
07-05-11, 09:16
Pina are not inclined to use both, due to the catholic church they think it is more of a sin to use contraception than to have sex. I had one girl admit to me she never has used a condom and thought she was unable to have kids. I have met bar girl who due to std have had ovaries removed.

All to often I see bar girls having baby after baby some with kano and then they are back working in the bar until the baby is of age to work in the bar. I know of 3 girls who have had kids just in the last 6 months 1 is a kano.

I post this here as puta playa if a girl ask you to withdraw do it, and not boast how you may have impregnated her.Thank you for your comments. I am not boasting. No Pinay ever asked me to withdrawl, all three of them specifically asked me to shoot because they were really tired and sweaty from doing cowgirl so long. 'Cum for me'. 'Did you cum? ' etc. And we didn't start bareback, they always request a rubber, and then get rid of it midsession for whatever reason.

The Carioca girl in Rio asked me to withdrawl. She changed her mind 15 minutes later and never wanted withdrawl after that, for days on end. I really liked her as a person and didn't see her as a ho, she was green and needed cash, hence my concern for her. I didn't expect that she might be at risk. But after learning here that Catholic girls may stick to the ban on pills even if they are breaking the Church rules on selling ass, it's disturbing to me that there might be a little Puta Playa in Rio somewhere. I am not a religious person, and not educated in Catholic dogma other than what is commonly known from media outlets. To me, it's black and white. Either someone accepts it all, or everything is dubious. So the idea of selling BB ass and health (at HIV risk) to anyone with 1500 pesos but yet being pious in other aspects to the point of being willing to get pregnant without means of support and introduce a child into a life of utter hell is irrational and nearly incomprehensible to me. Knowing this in retrospect, I would never have done this stuff. The MBC girl who got the shot one day and cum rope the next cannot even contact her existing kid by phone without sending support money to her parents first. Else they won't let her speak to the kid. And they know how she got it in Manila Bay Cafe because she told them this is prostitution money that you are asking me for and I sit in a smoky bar all day and sell my body to whoever will take it to pay the support money that you ask me! And then they ask her to make more money hooking so that the whole family back in the province can have capital to start a business to be self sufficient. If I thought that shooting in her meant even a vague possibility of introducing someone into that cycle of shitty life, I would not have done it. But I live and learn so thank you for comments. Next time, I will ask the girl if she is on the pill. As for the other ones already shot bareback, I'll trust that in their professionalism as highly paid sex providers they have been objective and taken steps that any paid professional would take to minimize risk and protect themselves against undesirable outcomes.

Devils 1
07-05-11, 09:30
Thank you for your comments. I am not boasting. No Pinay ever asked me to withdrawl, all three of them specifically asked me to shoot because they were really tired and sweaty from doing cowgirl so long. 'Cum for me'. 'Did you cum? ' etc. And we didn't start bareback, they always request a rubber, and then get rid of it midsession for whatever reason.In my opinion Puta you should stick to field reports which you have a way of making very interesting and entertaining.

When you stray into your opinion of the world, how you make decisions and the logic you base those decisions on you sound like a crazy person! It seems maybe you and Lindsay Lohan could talk as soul mates for hours on end!

GoodEnough
07-05-11, 11:29
If you're looking for rational behavior, for some evidence of logical thought processes, you've come to the wrong country. Most Filipinos, at least those whom I've met, understand nothing of church dogma, have never studied philosophy and simply aren't capable of examining the belief structure for themselves to determine what they will or won't accept. Every aspect of life here-particularly in the family and the schools-stresses conformity, acceptance, never diverging from commonly-accepted practice no matter how ridiculous or logically inconsistent. However-and here's where the contradiction comes in-in the Philippine hierarchy of values, nothing ranks higher than family. The Filipinos call it utang na loob; the debt of the heart that can never be repaid and that you owe unquestionningly to your parents. This trumps god, trumps religion, and provides the rational for selling one's self if this is what one has to do to support the family.

We find it absurd that Filipinos can reject birth control and family planning on mis-understood religious grounds (and the church strongly endorses such misunderstandings) , while freely engaging in endless sex. They however, see no contradiction at all in the practice. In that sense, the entire country is an exercise in the theater of the absurd, and it partially explains why individuals, and the country in general rather consistently snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

GE

Member #3439
07-05-11, 11:42
If you're looking for rational behavior, for some evidence of logical thought processes, you've come to the wrong country. Most Filipinos, at least those whom I've met, understand nothing of church dogma, have never studied philosophy and simply aren't capable of examining the belief structure for themselves to determine what they will or won't accept. Every aspect of life here-particularly in the family and the schools-stresses conformity, acceptance, never diverging from commonly-accepted practice no matter how ridiculous or logically inconsistent. However-and here's where the contradiction comes in-in the Philippine hierarchy of values, nothing ranks higher than family. The Filipinos call it utang na loob; the debt of the heart that can never be repaid and that you owe unquestionningly to your parents. This trumps god, trumps religion, and provides the rational for selling one's self if this is what one has to do to support the family.

We find it absurd that Filipinos can reject birth control and family planning on mis-understood religious grounds (and the church strongly endorses such misunderstandings) , while freely engaging in endless sex. They however, see no contradiction at all in the practice. In that sense, the entire country is an exercise in the theater of the absurd, and it partially explains why individuals, and the country in general rather consistently snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

GEThanks for the insight. As mongers, don't we love poverty, moral confusion, economic problems such as those in Manila? These are the things that make great mongering opportunities. Social mores aside, it's the hard facts that the ISG gods smile on. This is about taking advantage of whatever opportunity, for our pleasure. Witness Brasil which has been coming out of the state of ruin, and being gentrified. Even 6 short years ago, it used to be a monger's dream due to girls who loved a foreigner like a savior, as a way out to a better life. I mean they LOVED you, not they tried to cash in on you like Pilipinas. They wanted green cards/immigration and a life elsewhere forever as opposed to handouts. With the increasing income due to currency manipulation and income from foreign investment, prices and arrogance have risen causing BR to become has-been mongering destination. Brasilian girls wipe their asses with US Dollars and Euros nowadays and could care less about foreigners. Even the loyalists of my Rio home thread, vets since the 80's, are looking elsewhere. Maybe Manila? So, please bring on the chaos, absurd utang na loob and religion, national defeat and anything that keeps MNL pussy prices down and service up!! Bring it^infinity!!! :)

GoodEnough
07-05-11, 11:48
That we do Puta Playa, and for those who enjoy consistency, this country ain't Brazil, and isn't going to develop very far very fast anytime soon. I've never been to Brazil, and never really traveled much in South America but it seems from the few places I've seen and what I've read, that the difference between S. American countries and here is that the latter have interesting cultures whereas, for me at least, this place just doesn't.

MadisonGuy
07-05-11, 16:52
Is there anywhere in Manila that is similar to DelRey in Costa Rica. From the pictures I gather there's a bunch of girls dancing on a stage and then either you or mamasan go and get a girl and bring her to you. I prefer a more relaxed girls sitting around you have a drink and wait till something peaks your interest to advance, anything less like a mail order magazine and more like a normal bar in Manila?

Wjmpsr
07-05-11, 17:06
He are two pics of my friend who has moved to province and needs a friend.

Sammon
07-05-11, 17:10
Is there anywhere in Manila that is similar to DelRey in Costa Rica. From the pictures I gather there's a bunch of girls dancing on a stage and then either you or mamasan go and get a girl and bring her to you. I prefer a more relaxed girls sitting around you have a drink and wait till something peaks your interest to advance, anything less like a mail order magazine and more like a normal bar in Manila?READ FF.

All info is here. Foremost like del ray is MBC also known as LA cafe. There are other smaller bars with same set up.

There is no need to ask unnecessary questionsa when all info is here.

MadisonGuy
07-05-11, 17:20
READ FF.

All info is here. Foremost like del ray is MBC also known as LA cafe. There are other smaller bars with same set up.

There is no need to ask unnecessary questionsa when all info is here.No need to give unnecessary answers, maybe sometimes you should take your own advice. Way to be the A-hole that makes the forum bad. How hard is it to just say "like del ray is MBC also known as LA cafe. There are other smaller bars with same set up" with some guys it's just evident why they have to monger and I think you would be put in that category.

Hummer Bird
07-05-11, 18:50
He are two pics of my friend who has moved to province and needs a friend.How do we find her?

Chocha Monger
07-06-11, 04:06
Thanks for the insight. As mongers, don't we love poverty, moral confusion, economic problems such as those in Manila? These are the things that make great mongering opportunities. Social mores aside, it's the hard facts that the ISG gods smile on. This is about taking advantage of whatever opportunity, for our pleasure.Well, yes and no. Mongers are drawn to poverty and desperation because it provides opportunities to prey on impoverished pussy. On the other hand, mongers are terrified of the violent crime, setups for incarceration, extortion, and theft of property that comes with such environments. You wouldn't find too many mongers in conflict zones like Somalia. They stay out of the southern regions of Mindanao and they only 'discovered' Medellin, Colombia after the insurgency and drug wars cooled down. Mongers are pleasure seekers. They want to experience pleasure at the least amount of risk and discomfort to themselves. So, there is a limit to the degree of socioeconomic failure they desire in their destinations.

Soapy Smith
07-06-11, 04:10
Most Filipinos, at least those whom I've met, understand nothing of church dogma, have never studied philosophy and simply aren't capable of examining the belief structure for themselves to determine what they will or won't accept.

We find it absurd that Filipinos can reject birth control and family planning on mis-understood religious grounds (and the church strongly endorses such misunderstandings) , while freely engaging in endless sex. They however, see no contradiction at all in the practice. GEI would offer one qualifier to this thesis. If you impose the variable socio-economic status or even simply household income on fertility rate (number of births the mother experiences) there is a marked decrease in the size of families for families that are better off economically. Does this mean well-to-do families are simply having less sex? Maybe; sex is one of the few inexpensive pastimes available to families without money, although it is inexpensive only in the short term. But I suspect frequency of sex does not account for all of the vast difference in fertility rates. Professional families often have no more than two or three children, but in poor families in the provinces it is not unusual to find families with ten or a dozen livebirths. I have had conversations with professional Filipinos and Filipinas in which they talk quite objectively about the realities of Catholic expectations about contraception, on the one hand, and their education and understanding of the science of contraception, on the other. In the end, many higher socio-economic women are using contraceptive practices in private and simply not talking about it. I don't know how much soul searching is involved, but I think many Filipinas do find a way to distance themselves from the Church's teachings on contraception.

I think GE's thesis is essentially correct for most lower socio-economic Filipinos, and it is from their ranks that women end up in our embrace of sex for money. And they do not, as he points out, see any contradiction in their actions.

I do know of one former WG who was practicing the trade after having had a tubal ligation. After three children she simply decided no more. She heard about a clinic in a nearby city in the Metro Manila area that provided the procedure at relatively low cost, confided in only one girlfriend, and went with her friend to the clinic. If I recall her story correctly the surgery cost less than 1000 PhP (but for a poor woman even that is a lot of money) , was short on privacy and amenities in the operating room, and turned out a string of tubal ligations in the course of an afternoon. The woman went home via a bumpy jeepney ride after no more than an hour recovery. She was in pain and bleeding but refused to tell others, including her mother and sisters, what she'd done. She later found out her mother had previously had the same procedure done some years earlier. These women had sixth grade educations, but they somehow heard about the clinic that provided these serial sterilization surgeries, and they arrived at their decisions to have the procedure while sharing their fears and intentions with a very small circle of confidantes. The fact that this clinic existed and that these relatively uneducated women learned about them and acted on their knowledge suggests that some Filipinas, even poor ones, are capable of stepping outside Catholic dogma. It is probably also relevant that these women confronted the realities after they already had three and four children, respectively, to care for. Perhaps the majority of our working girls are in the two or fewer children category.

Member #3439
07-06-11, 05:15
Perhaps the majority of our working girls are in the two or fewer children category.Based on my limited survey, most the the girls at MBC have 1, no less no more and state that they work to send money back to support that kid.

Fascinating that these girls would forgo the pill and risk getting burdened by a monger baby, even though they can't afford the one they already have. The girls have no savings. One of the most popular younger girls in the place needs a surgery for a painful condition (then showed me this afflicted area that was definitely in need of med attention) and I asked her when she'll get it taken care of. She told me she needs 15 more ST customers and then she can afford it. As if ST fucks were a denomination of currency. Haha. So that's how they think..cost of goods and services in terms of how many ST fucks they need to do to afford item x or service y. ;) Not exactly rolling in cash!

Econo Tech
07-06-11, 07:15
We find it absurd that Filipinos can reject birth control and family planning on mis-understood religious grounds (and the church strongly endorses such misunderstandings) , while freely engaging in endless sex. They however, see no contradiction at all in the practice. In that sense, the entire country is an exercise in the theater of the absurd, and it partially explains why individuals, and the country in general rather consistently snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.

GEWell, the support for the RH bill arises from the educated masses, while the rest scream murder for the RH bill. Those influenced by the church.

And a major group that has really started backing the RH bill is. The Doctors and Gynaes. In Phil. The church may ban then from service. (as one Father did in Baguio demanding those in favor of RH bill. To leave the church.)

Econo Tech
07-06-11, 07:18
If I thought that shooting in her meant even a vague possibility of introducing someone into that cycle of shitty life, I would not have done it. But I live and learn so thank you for comments. Next time, I will ask the girl if she is on the pill. As for the other ones already shot bareback, I'll trust that in their professionalism as highly paid sex providers they have been objective and taken steps that any paid professional would take to minimize risk and protect themselves against undesirable outcomes.You should stay away from Phil. Says my 2 cents. Ah. You are making me laugh.

Even those who can afford, like Jinky Pacquiao, have sworn it is wrong to use pills, as pill cause a million odd problems, and also means you are promiscous. And it is better to screw BB and catch STIs / HIV. And what not.

Medical and such are the last thing on their mind.

AS for the "family forces them" you heard some amazing yarn. Families never ask what their daughter is doing. Just "please send money." and that's it. If some girl told you the family knows and is ok. Etc. Etc. She is hitting your sympathy wave. Have fun.

Sok Sophea
07-06-11, 08:58
He are two pics of my friend who has moved to province and needs a friend.How can we make contact with her?

Red Kilt
07-06-11, 09:11
. These women had sixth grade educations, but they somehow heard about the clinic that provided these serial sterilization surgeries, and they arrived at their decisions to have the procedure while sharing their fears and intentions with a very small circle of confidantes. The fact that this clinic existed and that these relatively uneducated women learned about them and acted on their knowledge suggests that some Filipinas, even poor ones, are capable of stepping outside Catholic dogma.It is very easy for women to have ligations done in the Philippines.

Most doctors will do it no questions asked. It is nothing like backyard abortions or anything like that. My sister in law has just had her second baby (now has a boy and girl) and requested a ligation to be done during the caesarean section birth. No problem.

I know a group of women in the Aust New Zealand Womens' Association that regularly conduct clinics in the poor barangays for women to have tubal ligations, and the local govt supports it with counterpart funds to keep costs at zero to minimal.

There is way too much hysteria about the Church preventing these things. The reality is that condoms are freely available; ligations are also available, although the press would have you believe that the Church is preventing their availability. The Church would like to, but it cannot.

GoodEnough
07-06-11, 11:33
I agree, the problem is not one of availability, but one of education. It's wonderful that some NGOs publicize the availability of tubal ligations and educate poor women about the process, and it's nice that some local and / or barangay governments are sufficiently enlightened to participate. However, on a national level, it amounts to very little considering the unabated population growth and the creation and recreation of generations of children consigned to poverty.

The fact is the the constitutionally mandated line between church and state is blurred and often non-existent and the church remains a corrupt, powerful political force. Unless and until its power is curbed, the overall situation will likely not improve, or such is my opinion at any rate.

One also has to factor in the macho posturing of Filipinos for many of whom wearing a condom is "unmanly," though apparently deserting the women and offspring that they've spawned is considered quite acceptable.

And so it goes. And so it goes.

GE

Soapy Smith
07-06-11, 14:07
The reality is that condoms are freely available;It has been several years since I shopped for condoms in the Phils, but the last time I did I recall they could be purchased in Mercury Drugs, Watson Drugs, and other drug stores. But at that time in most stores you had to ask for them from the women back behind the pharmacy counter. Perhaps that was a modesty thing-not wanting to expose little old ladies and kids to them-or perhaps a theft prevention tactic. The one exception I recall was Mercury Drugs at Philcoa, near the UP campus. There they were on display out on the shelves, but the one time I purchased them there a woman security person seemed to be standing guard over them. She persisted in staring at me as I picked up a dozen and carried them to the front cash register. I notice they are also now available behind the counter in many convenience stores. Perhaps the public perception is changing.

Red Kilt
07-06-11, 15:51
It has been several years since I shopped for condoms in the Phils, but the last time I did I recall they could be purchased in Mercury Drugs, Watson Drugs, and other drug stores. But at that time in most stores you had to ask for them from the women back behind the pharmacy counter. Perhaps that was a modesty thing-not wanting to expose little old ladies and kids to them-or perhaps a theft prevention tactic. The one exception I recall was Mercury Drugs at Philcoa, near the UP campus. There they were on display out on the shelves, but the one time I purchased them there a woman security person seemed to be standing guard over them. She persisted in staring at me as I picked up a dozen and carried them to the front cash register. I notice they are also now available behind the counter in many convenience stores. Perhaps the public perception is changing.
Skip. They are available in all pharmacies now and in multiple brands, colors, flavours, thicknesses etc. Full page adverts for them appear in the glossy magazines (Men's Health; Women's Health; FHM. Etc) ,

Different types and flavors of lubricants are also available (bubble packs and tubes) , and these sit as part of the condom display. They are very much "in-your-face". Whenever I have bought them the shop assistant has not taken any notice at all.

I agree that in SOME 7/11s they are behind the counter next to the cigarettes but this is more a security issue I think although it is not as though they are terribly expensive. In my local 7/11 they are in a glass containers on the counter so you need to point to them. In Watsons and Mercury Drug you can gather them up yourself and carry them across to the check-out chick.

GE. I wasn't suggesting that the local government efforts were making any inroads into the population control issue; my point was specifically to state that if a person wants a condom or a ligation they can readily and easily get one here. There may be a perception elsewhere that these things are all undercover or illegal in some way.
They are not.
The Church rails against them, but slowly and surely its influence is being eroded in these matters. It will be a long slow process though and it will eventually change (but not in our lifetimes).

Member #3439
07-07-11, 03:25
You should stay away from Phil. Says my 2 cents. Ah. You are making me laugh.

Even those who can afford, like Jinky Pacquiao, have sworn it is wrong to use pills, as pill cause a million odd problems, and also means you are promiscous. And it is better to screw BB and catch STIs / HIV. And what not.

Medical and such are the last thing on their mind.

AS for the "family forces them" you heard some amazing yarn. Families never ask what their daughter is doing. Just "please send money." and that's it. If some girl told you the family knows and is ok. Etc. Etc. She is hitting your sympathy wave. Have fun. Come on now, give me chance to get acclimated here. Next time I will check my tendencies toward rationalization at NAIA Left Baggage on my way into town. Religious WGs who are willing to get preg or diseased so they can make the pope happy whilst they are having BB premarital sex for cash. I shouldn't even try to comprehend how they come up with that mix.

I never said the family forces her. I said that she told them (her Dad) that the child support money they demand is earned from her selling her pussy, thinking that he would stop asking for more. But like you said, they don't care where it comes from. If she wants to hear the kid on the phone, she better send the money. I have no sympathy for a girl that asks me for money as a condition to having sex. But I am not sadistic , so once I found out after-the-fact that these 3 girls might not be preventing with BC, I sought some reassurance from here that I was not making more of those bastards. I was wanting people to say, yeah all these pro girls DO use it. My traveling style is NSA. Leave no name, no contact info, no babies, and take away no disease.

Chocha Monger
07-07-11, 04:24
Come on now, give me chance to get acclimated here. Next time I will check my tendencies toward rationalization at NAIA Left Baggage on my way into town. Religious WGs who are willing to get preg or diseased so they can make the pope happy whilst they are having BB premarital sex for cash. I shouldn't even try to comprehend how they come up with that mix.

I never said the family forces her. I said that she told them (her Dad) that the child support money they demand is earned from her selling her pussy, thinking that he would stop asking for more. But like you said, they don't care where it comes from. If she wants to hear the kid on the phone, she better send the money. I have no sympathy for a girl that asks me for money as a condition to having sex. But I am not sadistic, so once I found out after-the-fact that these 3 girls might not be preventing with BC, I sought some reassurance from here that I was not making more of those bastards. I was wanting people to say, yeah all these pro girls DO use it. My traveling style is NSA. Leave no name, no contact info, no babies, and take away no disease.What you are witnessing is the bastard child of centuries of Western colonialism and the worst of local culture. As a sex tourist you're viewing Philippine society from the sewer and it's not a pretty sight.

Frenzy3
07-07-11, 05:51
What you are witnessing is the bastard child of centuries of Western colonialism and the worst of local culture. As a sex tourist you're viewing Philippine society from the sewer and it's not a pretty sight.Yeah I got to admit after 4 years here I rather see a student who needs the fees paid than a bar girl, I still go bar hopping as I still have contacts in the bars.

Soapy Smith
07-07-11, 13:06
I think it is important not to paint all Filipina working girls with the same brush, any more than mongers are all of one mold. One thing unites WGs: they are having sex for money, which is not culturally approved, even though some commercial interests promote it and many government leaders turn a blind eye to it. I presume most WGs feel shame for doing it. There are some things that unite mongers: we're looking for sex with few strings attached, for low prices or free. There may be patterns among the WGs, but there's also quite a bit of variety: some have children to support, others do not; some send money home, others do not; some families encourage the p4p as one of the few marketable commodities the family possesses, some families know about the p4p but don't approve, others suspect but don't question, others may not know at all.

Pretty much all WGs have a large mix of pressures on them—monetary, cultural, religious, familial, friends' judgments and expectations, desires to get out of poverty, and occasionally even genuine desires for reciprocal affection for one or another monger. Similarly a broad set of influences shape mongers' individual attitudes toward WGs in general and individual WGs in particular. To try to distill all these variables down to single 'motives' for either the WG or the monger does a disservice to understanding what's going on with any individual in the mongering scene.

We all engage in building simplistic mental models that help us individually make sense of our experiences. Psychologists have a fancy name for these mental models that we all form in our heads: cognitive schemata. Once we put them in place in our heads they resist change, even when we're confronted with contradictory evidence. Our tendency is to discount contradictory evidence, rationalizing that we must not have seen it or understood it correctly.

So one of the liabilities of trusting other mongers' judgments about what's going on in stories posted by another monger, is that we all have built up these hardened, simplistic mental models that we use to make sense of what we see and read. We tend to try to reduce others' situations, especially the WGs', to 'motives. ' But the motives we project in that way come at least as much from the mental models in our heads as from the situation at hand. The pressures and intentions in WGs' lives are usually much too complex to reduce to single motives.

In another thread a junior forum member (but in his 50s, I think) recently posted questions about an older woman—who has a computer, children, and lots of other apparent baggage- with whom he's corresponding. Some forum members quickly advised that the woman is going to scam him. GE, on the other hand, laid out some possible explanations and likely background, and then simply advised him to take it slowly and keep his eyes, ears, and mind open. Based on my belief that Filipinas' lives (WGs and non-WGs) are potentially more complex than most of our single motive explanations, I think that's the kind of advice that serves much better.

Droplet
07-07-11, 13:44
Has Jackson reversed the thread numbers? Before the first page was the latest now you need to go to the page with highest number to see the latest post.

Thanks,

Allover
07-07-11, 14:33
Has Jackson reversed the thread numbers? Before the first page was the latest now you need to go to the page with highest number to see the latest post.

Thanks, Yes Droplet the pages were "reversed" about week ago. I liked the old way better but that was primarily because I was used to it. I'm starting to finally click on the last page when I enter a forum. It takes some getting used to but its ok. I' not sure it is any better though.

I also noticed the colors on each forum page are much darker and bolder.

Slippery
07-08-11, 01:32
Yes Droplet the pages were "reversed" about week ago. I liked the old way better but that was primarily because I was used to it. I'm starting to finally click on the last page when I enter a forum. It takes some getting used to but its ok. I' not sure it is any better though.

I also noticed the colors on each forum page are much darker and bolder.So I've been reading this bassackwards for the last week? Why do I still understand it?

Wjmpsr
07-08-11, 03:07
My wife and I will be in Ermita on July 14 and 15. She enjoys going to Manila Bay Cafe with me. If you are a well hung guy, message me. She is anxous to try a big one.

Allover
07-08-11, 05:59
Wjmpsr, I hate to be judgemental but your post sounds a little creepy. I hope you find what you are looking for. I am personally not interested (fortunately) nor am I well hung (unfortunately).

Wjmpsr
07-08-11, 06:14
Wjmpsr, I hate to be judgemental but your post sounds a little creepy. I hope you find what you are looking for. I am personally not interested (fortunately) nor am I well hung (unfortunately).Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. We enjoy each other and she has enjoyed watching me and I her. You might not be hung, but grow some balls.

Frenzy3
07-08-11, 06:51
Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. We enjoy each other and she has enjoyed watching me and I her. You might not be hung, but grow some balls.Why? Do you like people with balls

WestCoast1
07-08-11, 07:43
Wjmpsr, I hate to be judgemental but your post sounds a little creepy. I hope you find what you are looking for. I am personally not interested (fortunately) nor am I well hung (unfortunately).He wasn't asking for people who are not interested to respond, he was asking only for those who are interested to respond.

MauiDude
07-08-11, 15:22
He wasn't asking for people who are not interested to respond, he was asking only for those who are interested to respond.Yes and if you don't like it don't do it. Some guys like two girls and some guys like to share girls. So what is the problem with enjoying the way you like to.

I share my girls but then I am a very kinky and naughty kind of guy and also respect what ever the limits are.

Love to have more girls.

And don't mind sharing. Also I know most girls are out fucking other guys here anyway. Especially the bar girls. Its just you don't.

Always get to watch.

Hahahaha.

So enjoy life and sex the way you like and don't worry about how other people enjoy. As long as its consenting adults.

But thanks for the input

Gangles
07-08-11, 16:15
I think that the post by Skip Kost re motivations for working girls is pretty much right on the wire.

But I would suggest that you could reframe, or reposition the post in any country, Australia, the USA, Yugoslavia, France, and it would be equally as valid.

It is worth noting that there are more prostitutes per head of population in Australia than there are in any country in SE Asia. And that goes for other western countries too. There are 400, 000 registered prostitutes in Germany.

So don't think that SE Asia is the mecca for mongering. It is not. It's advantage is that it offers mongering on the cheap.

In my own small town, I can go to my local brothel, pay the money, and get instant gratification. Much like Santos St. I don't even have to step outside my door. The local paper carries about half a page of ads by local pros. Just call and she comes. Easy, instant. I can go to a local bar, pay a woman some money, and she will dance naked in my lap. Easy.

But all of the WG's have the same stories, same motivations, same emotions. It is an international business, and it will never stop.

G

Allover
07-08-11, 16:44
He wasn't asking for people who are not interested to respond, he was asking only for those who are interested to respond.My response, which included at attempt at self depreciating humor, was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Oh uh bad choice of words. Not all that mean spirited.

I think the request for a "well hung" man is way over the top here especially from a newer member. You want someone to participate in a three-way, that's your business. Personally, I like 2 girls and 1 guy, not 2 guys and 1 girl. But I still think seeking a well hung man on this forum is creepy. Why not just ask for a member here to participate in a 3 way?

Cheapy
07-08-11, 17:27
I read into it that you are actually asking for your wife, in order to fulfill her "two man fantasy". We, as mongers, should appreciate that but at the same time "homophobic thoughts" may creep into our heads. I have a Phils GF who also wants

"two white guys" and even stated she wanted to "taste my friends cock". I admit that I never found a second guy for her because "yes" it creeps me out also, and I've actually done the "two guys / one girl thing" once before. It was the girl's request.

Your post obviously brings out a lot of mixed emotions for many members. Hope your wife "lives her fantasy" at least once. Good luck.

Can we watch? . LOL.


My response, which included at attempt at self depreciating humor, was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Oh uh bad choice of words. Not all that mean spirited.

I think the request for a "well hung" man is way over the top here especially from a newer member. You want someone to participate in a three-way, that's your business. Personally, I like 2 girls and 1 guy, not 2 guys and 1 girl. But I still think seeking a well hung man on this forum is creepy. Why not just ask for a member here to participate in a 3 way?

Wjmpsr
07-08-11, 20:54
I have enjoyed several fmf 3 ways with my wife. I am not planning to participate in an mfm. The request for well hung is just that, at 6", I exceed most locals and and size matters. So thanks to all for your input, rest assuered the hung guy is for her, not me. Just for my viewing pleasure.

Member #3439
07-09-11, 01:14
Why not just walk into MBC and have her feel all the guys dicks until she finds something she likes? Other girls grab guys dicks. Earlier this week a girl was grinding on me, then went into the bathroom and took off her panties, came back, stuffed them in my pocket and told me to give them back to her in the hotel room. I was sitting at the bar discreetly fingering her pussy while she ate dinner.

BTW, you don't have to explain your reasons to ISG members. As the front page says, "We are open minded persons" But there should be better places to pick up guys at lower risk, vs international lechers in MBC.

Wjmpsr
07-09-11, 06:00
I have appreciated the feedback regaring my "well hung" posting. I have been married 3 times. First marriage ended in divorce, my second wife died. I mongered in secret throughout those years.

My third wife is a retired gro who likes sex. I have no secrets from her. It is so nice to have someone who understands mongering. And after yers of high frequency sex I am not jealous if she enjoys some 3rd party now and then.

MadisonGuy
07-09-11, 12:11
So not sure if it's technically makati or whatever but I'll post the report here. I got to my hotel at around 1130PM which to me was 1130AM so I was ready to go! Stayed at New World and they told me there are bars across the street in Green something, it's a big ass mall. Anyway met a super cool phili-american with vacation rentals, anyway met him at this cigar type bar which he said is 95% working girls. Cafe Havana. We shot the shit for a couple minutes and two russion girls walked in, my buddy Paul said they were in the 5% that weren't working so he said we have to work them. So we chatted them up for awhile with a little dancing and they had to leave finally so he took me to this club underneath New World. The club was rockin, he new the club promoter so we were in VIP and there was just this photo shoot so there were models from Brazil, Costa Rica and who knows where else. Anyway they kind of set me up with one girl who was smoking hot but really really skinny, like Eva Longoria type, she was rich too I guess from some kind of marketing company but new rich so she still danced ghetto. I danced with her for awhile but I was getting anxious and my buddy said I would have to put some hard effort into a girl like that and I was too lazy. I took a quick stroll and in under 2 minutes I bumped into this girl who looked like she did not belong. She dressed like girl next door where everyone else had dresses. Anyway I said Hi we chatted for like less than 5 minutes and she was looking for her friend. Then this friend of hers (cousin) popped up. She actually tackled me to the couch, she was all kinds of wasted. She didn't drink evidently because it was pretty bad. Anyway I told the girl I met we better put her cousin up in my room. I was already starting to realize this would be a very great night. Long story short the girl I met and I were making out, she had a rock hard body, crazy nice ass, I think she was on the rag or something because everytime I tried going down there she stopped me. Her cousin (I'm in the middle of the bed) kept crabbing at me and what not and I'd kind of bounce back and forth but eventually the girl I met got kind of upset and said just be with her. Well my ass was horny and I pulled a alright who cares and screwed her cousin who checked every 2 seconds that my condom was still on. I thought that wasn't a normal thing here but this girl was very insistant about it. Anyway went to breakfast with girl I met and apologized because it was kind of a dick move, but one that I couldn't pass up trying. If every night is like last night I will probably not make it alive through this trip, I think the body can only handle so much fun. Next time I'm going to try to take pictures, I didn't get to sleep until 11am so when the girls left the last thing I thought about was a picture I was exhaushere and still kind of am. I'm thinking about staying 2 more nights here in manila massage girl is on the way up for a mssage 2500 for the hotel and 500 for craigslist, I wasn't paying 2500. Hotel is expensive but so convenient for these clubs which give me option to pick up normal girls also.

Butter69
07-09-11, 13:24
Anyway I told the girl I met we better put her cousin up in my room. I was already starting to realize this would be a very great night.How much did you have to pay the girls to stay the night with you?

MadisonGuy
07-09-11, 15:12
How much did you have to pay the girls to stay the night with you?Nothing, I picked them up starbucks in the morning. Surpisingly the one girl I started talking with gave me her number when she left, but I feel awkward with her now I would say that was one of my worst things I have done to a girl. I did have to pay in terms of losing sleep which is what is stoping me from going out right now, I know I should but I'm still so worn out. It was like high school again but instead of 1 girls there were 2 that I had to share make out time with. Plus I just sessioned with this girl of a massage web page. 2 hours massage and sex which I have a feeling she hasn't had sex in awhile and is more of a blow job betty. Great Blow job though! She went at it for like 30 min BBBJ the only reason I didn't cum was lack of sleep and food. It costed too much though 3500, I really called just wanting the massage for 500 / hour but got horny and then at the end had to go with whatever she said, damn my dumb ass.

Fast Eddie 48
07-10-11, 01:47
To Wjmpsr.

You should know better ISG is a website for monger looking for P4P not a swinger club. If you ask this kind of question you are subject of attack by other member.

Fast Eddie 48

MadisonGuy
07-10-11, 04:16
So I guess it would be hard to match the first night, I was pretty tired and not in the mood so I called it a night at 3AM. Went to Havana just like night before and flaming lips or something like that and it was similar. There were definetely some girls there I would have got with but I was waiting for the bigger challenge. So eventually bounced to club under New World called Piladium or something similar. Going great just like night before but less women, although my buddy said it doesn't matter because I'm American but still as time grew on I just wanted to hit my hotel room. I had 2 girls ready to go at like 1am but took a quick break to use bathroom and they wanted drinks so I gave them 1000 pesos to buy drinks. Well that was my down fall, I went from both girls swarming me like flies to them pissed at me because I gave them 1000 pesos and they thought it was like saying they were contract workers. I do the same shit in the US and meant nothing like it but for some reason I had to physically pay for the drink to not offend them. Her and her friend were pretty cute too, very tall. I've got a picture I will eventually post of one of them. Anyway so went to Icon quick but didn't want to pay 500php to get in so I went back to hotel. Very safe area to walk, I walked around for about an hour in circles looking for New World. Finally found it and called massage girl of craigslist, maybe not a great idea because I fell asleep why she was giving me a massage. 2 hour min for time so she woke me up at 5 am and I paid her and she left. Very secure here, not sure of it is hotel or the girls but I checked pretty much all my stuff and found absolutely nothing missing. Normally I wouldn't fall asleep with a stranger in my room. I could definetely fall asleep with a 2 hour massage every night for just 1000 pesos, what a way to live. Waiting for taxi to Angeles to start next portion of trip.

Willie Wonker
07-10-11, 05:12
Plus I just sessioned with this girl of a massage web page. 2 hours massage and sex which I have a feeling she hasn't had sex in awhile and is more of a blow job betty. Great Blow job though! She went at it for like 30 min BBBJ the only reason I didn't cum was lack of sleep and food. It costed too much though 3500, I really called just wanting the massage for 500 / hour but got horny and then at the end had to go with whatever she said, damn my dumb ass.Can you give info about the massage place / name of the girl? I love a girl who just wants to give a BBBJ. Though would probably try to negotiate a better price!

Member #3439
07-10-11, 05:23
So eventually bounced to club under New World called Piladium or something similar. Going great just like night before but less women, although my buddy said it doesn't matter because I'm American but still as time grew on I just wanted to hit my hotel room.

Since the cover charges at these places appear somewhat high, please put qualifiers with this so people understand whether they could expect to repeat your experience, if bringing the proper social skills.

Were the girls Filipina or foreign? Are you a guy with nordic looks that the Pinays like, or just another dark hair guy? Are you 20, 30, 40 yrs old? Are you coming in wearing expensive clothes or watches? In PI, I see that even the job ads for educated professionals typically clearly state no one over 28 need apply, so I can imagine how discriminating they might be at upscale clubs if the culture is that youth oriented. Sounds like the poor Filipino guys are considered over the hill at 30 and not even worth employing. No wonder the women are always looking for foreign guys to support them.

MadisonGuy
07-10-11, 07:00
Can you give info about the massage place / name of the girl? I love a girl who just wants to give a BBBJ. Though would probably try to negotiate a better price!Http://bluemoonmakati.********.com/

Farrah. 500php for hour for massage, everything else I don't know because I was too dumb to negotiate prior.

MadisonGuy
07-10-11, 07:06
Since the cover charges at these places appear somewhat high, please put qualifiers with this so people understand whether they could expect to repeat your experience, if bringing the proper social skills.

Were the girls Filipina or foreign? Are you a guy with nordic looks that the Pinays like, or just another dark hair guy? Are you 20, 30, 40 yrs old? Are you coming in wearing expensive clothes or watches? In PI, I see that even the job ads for educated professionals typically clearly state no one over 28 need apply, so I can imagine how discriminating they might be at upscale clubs if the culture is that youth oriented. Sounds like the poor Filipino guys are considered over the hill at 30 and not even worth employing. No wonder the women are always looking for foreign guys to support them.500php was cover for icon but I had two girls with me that I didn't really want to be with so it would've been 1500. The girls I've been meeting are a mixture, I have met filipina, brazilian, Russian, and who knows what else, honestly I don't ask I just start dancing with them and maybe say nice eyes or something. I guess I'm nordic looking kind of and 30 and the filo-american guy I was with was about 30 too. Honestly my friend spent a ton of money, and I'm assuming is way richer than I. He bought 2 bottles of grey goose for 10000PHP, I would never consider paying that much just to have a bunch of girls get drunk on me. He wouldn't monger with me though, he lives in the nicest condo in the area and was worried about what his neighbors would think, he said they can tell by how to girl talks in their language. There was 600PHP for the club underneath new world also but you get in free if you stay at the hotel and also he got in free for knowing someone so I think it's easily waveable.

Wjmpsr
07-11-11, 04:04
We have had a few girls who claimed to be bi, but they just went through the motions. Anyone know a girl who really enjoys it. PM me please.

PigGagaFunf
07-11-11, 15:50
I have been invited to a swing party in Manila. The ad starts off with "this is not a scam" etc. And is priced at 3, 900 PHP per couple."Single males" are also welcome it reads. The way it claims to work is that one opens a Smart Money account in a Smart Wireless retail shop and transfers the money to an account at which point the location, hotel, contact phone # and aliases for use are sent.

Has anyone tried this?

Wjmpsr
07-11-11, 17:46
I have been invited to a swing party in Manila. The ad starts off with "this is not a scam" etc. And is priced at 3, 900 PHP per couple."Single males" are also welcome it reads. The way it claims to work is that one opens a Smart Money account in a Smart Wireless retail shop and transfers the money to an account at which point the location, hotel, contact phone # and aliases for use are sent.

Has anyone tried this?Sounds like fun.

Slippery
07-11-11, 18:32
I have been invited to a swing party in Manila. The ad starts off with "this is not a scam" etc. And is priced at 3, 900 PHP per couple."Single males" are also welcome it reads. The way it claims to work is that one opens a Smart Money account in a Smart Wireless retail shop and transfers the money to an account at which point the location, hotel, contact phone # and aliases for use are sent.

Has anyone tried this?Am I the only one that smells the stench of a scam?

Tracer
07-11-11, 20:01
My apologies in advance if there is a better place for me to post this question. I post it here simply because Manila is where I will be this coming week and where I will be looking.

I would never be trusting (or dumb) enough to buy Viagra or similar products from those hawking it on the street. However, I am interested in trying it as I never have. Does anyone know if I can purchase in a pharmacy there without a prescription?

Screaming Beaver
07-11-11, 20:14
I would never be trusting (or dumb) enough to buy Viagra or similar products from those hawking it on the street. However, I am interested in trying it as I never have. Does anyone know if I can purchase in a pharmacy there without a prescription?Why would you be dumb buying generic Vigara on the street? There have been hundreds of posts here from people who have had great results. There have been no posts of anybody getting sick or dying from taking generic viagra bought on the streets of P. Burgos. It's the same stuff you will pay 10X the price for in the pharmacy. If you enjoy spending too much, check out the pharmacy on the corner at P. Burgos. They will be happy to fleece you for about 3k pesos.

Tracer
07-11-11, 21:08
Why would you be dumb buying generic Vigara on the street? There have been hundreds of posts here from people who have had great results. There have been no posts of anybody getting sick or dying from taking generic viagra bought on the streets of P. Burgos. It's the same stuff you will pay 10X the price for in the pharmacy. If you enjoy spending too much, check out the pharmacy on the corner at P. Burgos. They will be happy to fleece you for about 3k pesos.Perhaps it is my ignorance. I don't follow everything posted here and a quick search revealed lots of questions without answers. I will dig further to try and find more information on it here. The answer to your question is that I have a natural reluctance to buying and taking pills from street peddlers. If the preponderance of evidence here suggests that it is just a safe generic variety then I could easily change my mind. I certainly do not enjoy being fleeced, but if there was a question I would prefer fleecing to poisoning. I will subtract your unnecessary sarcasm and take your response for what it is worth. That is, telling me that I should look into it further before deciding. Thanks

BionicMan
07-11-11, 21:52
There have been no posts of anybody getting sick or dying from taking generic viagra bought on the streets of P. Burgos.Usually people dying have difficult internet access to report on ISG. :)

Topmanten
07-12-11, 02:54
Recently I got a contact from badoo dot com, a 23 year old student is willing to come and to stay with me with her friend for free, hard to believe, she is half American. They live in hostel room, but not lesbian, at the same time willing to try their first 3 some. Saw one girl on cam, ok Is there is any catch in it, like to get comments from experienced persons. Will post my report after encounter by next week.

TMT

Devils 1
07-12-11, 03:06
Perhaps it is my ignorance. I don't follow everything posted here and a quick search revealed lots of questions without answers. I will dig further to try and find more information on it here. The answer to your question is that I have a natural reluctance to buying and taking pills from street peddlers. If the preponderance of evidence here suggests that it is just a safe generic variety then I could easily change my mind. I certainly do not enjoy being fleeced, but if there was a question I would prefer fleecing to poisoning. I will subtract your unnecessary sarcasm and take your response for what it is worth. That is, telling me that I should look into it further before deciding. ThanksTracer, I agree. Don't put anyhting in your body from a street vendor. You can buy any type of hard on pill you want at any pharmacy. Pharmacies are everywhere here. So if you walk a block and haven't found one, just ask any security guard for directions.

FreebieFan
07-12-11, 03:07
My apologies in advance if there is a better place for me to post this question. I post it here simply because Manila is where I will be this coming week and where I will be looking.

I would never be trusting (or dumb) enough to buy Viagra or similar products from those hawking it on the street. However, I am interested in trying it as I never have. Does anyone know if I can purchase in a pharmacy there without a prescription?This subject has been done to death in earlier discussions. If you buy on the street, its your choice. You will never know whats in the tablets. If you buy in a pharmacy (and all except the large Mercury drugs SHOULD but not necessarily WILL sell to you.

For generic buy in Bangkok. They sell sachets of sildenafil jelly that are very fast acting and very low priced. They even sell 50 sachet boxes of these. Buy a few boxes and they are a more trustworthy source than anything you could buy on the streets of Manila.

Another highly non argumentative post. LOL

Bigstud
07-12-11, 04:25
I have been invited to a swing party in Manila. The ad starts off with "this is not a scam" etc. And is priced at 3, 900 PHP per couple."Single males" are also welcome it reads. The way it claims to work is that one opens a Smart Money account in a Smart Wireless retail shop and transfers the money to an account at which point the location, hotel, contact phone # and aliases for use are sent.

Has anyone tried this?Yeah, dumb suckers who liked to be fleeced!

Soapy Smith
07-12-11, 04:57
Why would you be dumb buying generic Vigara on the street? There have been hundreds of posts here from people who have had great results.Many posts have had good results, but not all. A few years ago I bought some "Cialis" on the street in Ermita and, not only did I get no effect from it, I came down with a cold a couple days later. I do know what the effect is supposed to be because I also bought the real stuff at the 10X price from Mercury Drugs. Obviously the cold could have been caused by something else, but at the same time on another forum a veteran X-Pat monger reported that he'd come down with a cold that he thought he'd gotten from some Cialis bought on the street in Manila. Could we both have been wrong about the source of the colds? Sure, and the cold wasn't fatal.

My drug of choice is now generic 20 mg. Levitra, which I buy from an online pharmacy before I travel to the Phils. I presume it's from India, and the manufacturer and pharmacy acknowledge that it's a generic. I cut it in half and it works as promised. Unlike other drugs it does not interact with alcohol or greasy food. Others may prefer blues or yellows. The problem with the Cialis I bought in Ermita was that the packaging did not acknowledge that it was generic, and they actually tried to make it look like the real thing. Except they did a poor job-numerous misspellings on the box and the enclosed flyer, even of the name Lilly Pharmaceutical. Bottom line is, it did not have the promised effect.

SirStephen
07-12-11, 06:54
Recently I got a contact from badoo dot com, a 23 year old student is willing to come and to stay with me with her friend for free, hard to believe, she is half American. They live in hostel room, but not lesbian, at the same time willing to try their first 3 some. Saw one girl on cam, ok Is there is any catch in it, like to get comments from experienced persons. Will post my report after encounter by next week.

TMTIts little gems like this that you are going to remember for the rest of your life. This is what most of us are here for. Go forth young man and conquor! But of course there is a catch. Girls will want to be sponsored. You pay their uni fees, rent etc. Thats the deal. But then again I might be wrong in this case. The reason they offer a threesome is for security. Two is safer than one. They might be inexperienced and not ask for "sponsporship" up front. If so then enjoy. But we want a full report with photos ok?

Member #4643
07-12-11, 11:22
http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-first-superbug-strain-gonorrhea-070014377.html

THis one comes from Japan, but they monger like crazy.

Friend of mine who does medical research says 100% of gonorrhea in Thailand is drug resistant and same is true in China.

:-(

Screaming Beaver
07-12-11, 15:10
Obviously the cold could have been caused by something else, but at the same time on another forum a veteran X-Pat monger reported that he'd come down with a cold that he thought he'd gotten from some Cialis bought on the street in Manila.Gee, I always thought the common cold was a virus and not something you could get from taking a pill. I really should be more careful! LOL

MauiDude
07-12-11, 18:18
Perhaps it is my ignorance. I don't follow everything posted here and a quick search revealed lots of questions without answers. I will dig further to try and find more information on it here. The answer to your question is that I have a natural reluctance to buying and taking pills from street peddlers. If the preponderance of evidence here suggests that it is just a safe generic variety then I could easily change my mind. I certainly do not enjoy being fleeced, but if there was a question I would prefer fleecing to poisoning. I will subtract your unnecessary sarcasm and take your response for what it is worth. That is, telling me that I should look into it further before deciding. ThanksI have bought on the street. Its not the same as you get in the pharmacy. And for some of them I have noticed an.

Irregular heart beat after taking them (the ones in a bottle 100 mg yellow in color_) even when I cut into smaller pieces.

They work and I have friends that use them a lot.

You can buy in the pharmacies and they are expensive.

I have found a good pharmacy in Pattaya and buy from there.

He states that there are usually three differnet makers and of course three different prices.

China, USA and india. I get the ones from india. And they do okay.

I don't buy from the street anymore because of the pills that caused irregular heart beat.

And the ones I get from the pharmacy do not cause the miss beats.

Nolz7
07-12-11, 19:17
My apologies in advance if there is a better place for me to post this question. I post it here simply because Manila is where I will be this coming week and where I will be looking.

I would never be trusting (or dumb) enough to buy Viagra or similar products from those hawking it on the street. However, I am interested in trying it as I never have. Does anyone know if I can purchase in a pharmacy there without a prescription?I would never take any pills from a street vendor. Knowing how Filipinos work, there is a high probability that the pill is fake. Like compressed flour with food coloring. If the process was unsanitary, that's when you get colds. I would suggest buying generic herbal performance pills over the counter from reputable drug stores such as mercury or watson. A report from another forum says Robust works well like Viagra.

Soapy Smith
07-12-11, 22:42
Gee, I always thought the common cold was a virus and not something you could get from taking a pill.You're right, and it can be passed in the human contact of handling between vendors and customers--or, as Nolz suggests, in the human handling of a fake process. I don't know whether the other guy had bought from the same vendor.

WestCoast1
07-12-11, 22:45
I would never be trusting (or dumb) enough to buy Viagra or similar products from those hawking it on the street. However, I am interested in trying it as I never have. Does anyone know if I can purchase in a pharmacy there without a prescription?Interesting. I buy it only on the street. Never had a problem.

Soapy Smith
07-12-11, 23:03
You can buy any type of hard on pill you want at any pharmacy.I have been denied buying Cialis at two Mercury Drugs because I did not have a prescription. I was successful at another Mercury. I've had similar experiences purchasing Cipro, an antibiotic. Mercury in Robinson's Place Mall turned me down, so I went to the Star Drugs inside Robinson's Supermarket in the same mall. No problem. I think you can buy Cialis and Viagra (at the 10X price, or whatever it is) without a prescription but you may need to try more than one pharmacy.

Chocha Monger
07-12-11, 23:43
Why would you be dumb buying generic Vigara on the street? There have been hundreds of posts here from people who have had great results. There have been no posts of anybody getting sick or dying from taking generic viagra bought on the streets of P. Burgos. It's the same stuff you will pay 10X the price for in the pharmacy. If you enjoy spending too much, check out the pharmacy on the corner at P. Burgos. They will be happy to fleece you for about 3k pesos.Screaming Beaver,

Some mongers just enjoy being fleeced. It makes them feel like peso millionaires. Frankly, I think the street vendors are being given a bad name by a few mongers. If a guy has a limp dick and takes Viagra but his dick happens to be beyond the help of the pill that doesn't necessarily mean something was wrong with the pill. Maybe, what he needs is not a pill but a miracle to raise his dick from the dead.

Screaming Beaver
07-13-11, 04:28
Screaming Beaver,

Some mongers just enjoy being fleeced. It makes them feel like peso millionaires. Frankly, I think the street vendors are being given a bad name by a few mongers. If a guy has a limp dick and takes Viagra but his dick happens to be beyond the help of the pill that doesn't necessarily mean something was wrong with the pill. Maybe, what he needs is not a pill but a miracle to raise his dick from the dead.Truer words have never been spoken CM. Some guys blame the street viagra for giving them the common cold instead of a Standing Hampton. That sore throat they got was most likely from eating tainted beaver as a result of not being able to spring wood and then resigning themselves to licking the puss in quiet desperation. Next time they may want to consider an IV drip of Viagra.

Lakeside
07-13-11, 05:53
Interesting. I buy it only on the street. Never had a problem.Sooner than later you will get a problem with street vendors sex performance enhancing drugs. This stuff could contain impurities or even poisonous substances causing bad side effects. I would never touch that stuff and in my view it is better to be safe than sorry and buy the original products at a pharmacy even if they cost more.

MadisonGuy
07-13-11, 06:58
Truer words have never been spoken CM. Some guys blame the street viagra for giving them the common cold instead of a Standing Hampton. That sore throat they got was most likely from eating tainted beaver as a result of not being able to spring wood and then resigning themselves to licking the puss in quiet desperation. Next time they may want to consider an IV drip of Viagra.I blame the guys buying street viagra for having to deal with the 100's of people pestering me to buy some. When I was a kid we weren't allowed to feed stray cats because they would never leave, I guess some people didn't pick up that life lesson.

Soapy Smith
07-13-11, 07:40
One of the beautiful things about this forum is that people get to pick through others' reports of their experiences and decide which ones are useful and which ones have some factual basis to them. Some will already have their minds made up and don't want to be confused with any additional information. Often this results in reading selectively through others' posts and ignoring the parts that don't suit their preconceived answers. A little humor goes a long way in smoothing over what they don't understand.

Those who are disposed to buy street vendors' Viagra ought to do so. It's their money, and heaven knows there are plenty of Filipinos who want to take it from them. It's reassuring that most have had good experiences with pills bought on the street. For those who unequivocally rule out the possibility that there have ever been fake pills for sale on Manila streets, I wonder if I could interest you in buying some very low-lying land along the Mississippi River south of New Orleans. For everybody else there are three additional options: buy from pharmacies at prices that generate big profits for American and European pharmaceutical companies, buy from online sources of generics, or go without pharmaceutical enhancement.

Soapy Smith
07-13-11, 07:50
I think "good ol boy" Skip was having a senior moment.The ideological makeup of the 'good ole boy' must have turned 180 degrees if I'm now one of them.

My father used to describe how, from about the age of 15 until 25, he thought his father was full of shit on most things. Then, after he turned 25, he began to notice that the older he got, the smarter his father got. An important role that fathers play for the teenager is to totally [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the kid so that it makes it easier to leave the family nest. In some cases the upbringing is apparently so traumatic that the kid never gets over the anger and never learns the lesson my father learned, and that I, my kids, and most other adults learn. When that happens I suspect it makes it harder to believe that older men have learned anything about life that might be useful to a younger guy. This may be another one of those life lessons that some guys miss out on.

Snow Koala
07-14-11, 01:50
I have been invited to a swing party in Manila. The ad starts off with "this is not a scam" etc. And is priced at 3, 900 PHP per couple."Single males" are also welcome it reads. The way it claims to work is that one opens a Smart Money account in a Smart Wireless retail shop and transfers the money to an account at which point the location, hotel, contact phone # and aliases for use are sent.

Has anyone tried this?This is a scam. Apart from air tickets, I NEVER pay anything in advance in Philippines.

Member #4643
07-14-11, 02:09
Sooner than later you will get a problem with street vendors sex performance enhancing drugs. This stuff could contain impurities or even poisonous substances causing bad side effects. I would never touch that stuff and in my view it is better to be safe than sorry and buy the original products at a pharmacy even if they cost more.While I appreciate the benefits of "ED" drugs, the fact is that anyone who can masturbate does not need viagra to copulate. We just like the feel of really hard dicks when we fuck.

On the other hand, no one here seems the least bit worried by multi drug resitant gonorrhea (http://news.yahoo.com/scientists-fir.070014377.html).

As a dedicated mongerer, I took the bother to look up what gonorrhea can do if not treated (which is essentially what happens if you take levo for gonorrhea that is resistant to levo). Apparently, you get scarring of your urethra and then have troubles pissing (unless you get it fixed with surgery).

You guys are seriously twisted to worry about your viagra.

Of course, I guess that is why I love this board!

TazDevil
07-14-11, 05:44
Guys, there is one way that anyone can get free samples of pure performance enhancing pharmaceuticals. On your next visit to your family doctor or urologist just ask and he will be happy to give you the free samples. I've done this many times and then cut them into halfs or thirds in the case of Cialis as it reacts much stronger on me than the others. Each person has their own tolerance so expect to experiment to reach your desired level of satisfaction. I know of one person who is one month older than myself and he needs double or triple the dose I need for the same performance. I am older so obviously, much less active now.

Remember, they will not make you cum more often, but will just keep you hard if stimulated sexually.

While experimenting with my level of viraga, I had a wonderful girl in Taiwan who just loved to ride me cowgirl and she popped within usually one minute. Sometimes, it took her longer up to five minutes but always popped. All I needed to do was to pay attention to her perfect Asian breasts to turn on the faucet in her pussy so she was then ready to ride. She's 24 years younger than me in her mid 40's. I always told her she's just so lucky to be a normal girl to function the way she does.

Nvslim
07-14-11, 09:05
While I appreciate the benefits of "ED" drugs, the fact is that anyone who can masturbate does not need viagra to copulate. We just like the feel of really hard dicks when we fuck.This is completely wrong. You don't need an erection to masturbate but you do need one for penetration.

Slim

MadisonGuy
07-14-11, 12:32
Damn I should've stay in Manila, why the heck did I go to angeles. K well probably cheaper there but still. Just walked out of MBC for first time, it's like the asian Del Rey. I got my cock grabbed 4 times and I only had one beer and left. Some of the girls had fairly big tits too, hopefully later I will get an idea on pricing but one girl that came up to me basically said 700. She was hot but had a wicked over bite going on and I need to get some sleep and go back so I can actually perform.

Member #4379
07-14-11, 12:50
This is a scam. Apart from air tickets, I NEVER pay anything in advance in Philippines.I agree. This is where a certain part of your anatomy is blocking out your reasoning skills. Good news is that if you get burned once, you learn real fast. I got burned by paying up 1st and then nothing happened with this one girl, luckily got a freebie about an hour later.

Sammon
07-14-11, 14:59
Damn I should've stay in Manila, why the heck did I go to angeles. K well probably cheaper there but still. Just walked out of MBC for first time, it's like the asian Del Rey. I got my cock grabbed 4 times and I only had one beer and left. Some of the girls had fairly big tits too, hopefully later I will get an idea on pricing but one girl that came up to me basically said 700. She was hot but had a wicked over bite going on and I need to get some sleep and go back so I can actually perform.Big looking tits does not mean much as I have experienced. Some padded very well. Others fall to gravity.

Only in AC you can get a good sense of the dancing girls about their boobs since they wear only skimpy see through bras.

Gangles
07-14-11, 17:09
One of the beautiful things about this forum is that people get to pick through others' reports of their experiences and decide which ones are useful and which ones have some factual basis to them. Some will already have their minds made up and don't want to be confused with any additional information. Often this results in reading selectively through others' posts and ignoring the parts that don't suit their preconceived answers. A little humor goes a long way in smoothing over what they don't understand.

Those who are disposed to buy street vendors' Viagra ought to do so. It's their money, and heaven knows there are plenty of Filipinos who want to take it from them. It's reassuring that most have had good experiences with pills bought on the street. For those who unequivocally rule out the possibility that there have ever been fake pills for sale on Manila streets, I wonder if I could interest you in buying some very low-lying land along the Mississippi River south of New Orleans. For everybody else there are three additional options: buy from pharmacies at prices that generate big profits for American and European pharmaceutical companies, buy from online sources of generics, or go without pharmaceutical enhancement.There is an alternative, and that is to have a reliable supplier. I have such a guy in Angeles City. He has been there for years, and has been supplying me for years. He is Australian, and they are direct imports from India.

Always work, never any side effects.

I know where he gets them, but I am happy to use him as a middle man, because it keeps everybody happy.

G

Cunning Stunt
07-14-11, 22:44
Or even better, pay a visit to that wonderful country, as I do as often as I'm able, and stock up at dirt cheap prices. You can also get some pretty nifty Ayuvedic herbal meds that are every bit as effective as V or C but with none of the side effects.

Just don't go for the mongering or you will be sadly disappointed, although with burgeoning prosperity, even the quality and performance of working girls is improving year on year.

MadisonGuy
07-15-11, 03:27
Big looking tits does not mean much as I have experienced. Some padded very well. Others fall to gravity.

Only in AC you can get a good sense of the dancing girls about their boobs since they wear only skimpy see through bras.Boy were you right about that Sammon, I've never seen such well placed padding in my life. I really like MBC, if it weren't asian girls I would say that is my favorite monger place to date. It's a lot like Del Rey except from what I experienced the girls don't talk price. I brought two girls back to hotel at 6am and they never mentioned anything from the beginning about price. I even made it clear on numerous occassions that I was new so let me know about anything that may be different around here. I liked that they asked for tip in morning instead of before hand. I gave the "tip" 2000 to the girl I screwed, then the other one said where's mine and I said I gave all my money to your friend babe. Then her "best friend" was like he only give me 1000 sorry. It was so funny watching them argue because the one girl knew I gave her more. That was probably worth it alone. I kick myself for passing up some that I would have preferred earlier for taking two skanks back but I woke up at 11 and forced myself out and it took me a few beers to feel myself. Tonight I am not letting tits or ass weigh my decision, these girls do a great job with high heel trickory and make up so I think one looks a little less asian and then BAM she's 5'1 and looks like every other girl I've screwed here when we get back to the hotel. I really should have took the girl at 6 that worked me hard and said she'd come back and treat me good for 700, if only there was a monger time machine.

Side note: Met a brit who has a place here and he told me a similar story to one I heard here about a guy getting picked up for smoking. In this case he was drinking in public. He confirmed my theory that if you make a big enough fuss they let you go. He went from a 3000 fine to them letting him walk because he pulled a Simon Cowel. He pulled the embassy card fairly quickly. Also he agreed that if you're not doing anything wrong you'll be fine, he just happened to get caught the only time he has ever had a mixed drink in public. This guy was stocky but only like 5'6 so I'm pretty sure the cops just want the easy money and easy money keeps them coming back for more. 3000 pesos is not a ton of money but we both agreed that if you bend over and take it you are bound to be a target again or help other white guys become targets.

FreebieFan
07-15-11, 05:07
Side note: Met a brit who has a place here and he told me a similar story to one I heard here about a guy getting picked up for smoking. In this case he was drinking in public. He confirmed my theory that if you make a big enough fuss they let you go. He went from a 3000 fine to them letting him walk because he pulled a Simon Cowel. He pulled the embassy card fairly quickly. Also he agreed that if you're not doing anything wrong you'll be fine, he just happened to get caught the only time he has ever had a mixed drink in public. This guy was stocky but only like 5'6 so I'm pretty sure the cops just want the easy money and easy money keeps them coming back for more. 3000 pesos is not a ton of money but we both agreed that if you bend over and take it you are bound to be a target again or help other white guys become targets.Being an argumentive Brit (well according to ISG I am, because I called a guy in KL who tips his girls US$3 a tightwad) , I wouldn't asvise everyone to to make a big fuss.

There are some cops out there who love to play the power game and to let you know they, and not you, are in charge.

Some are intimidated by a white guy who can talk a lot, others are definately not and would like nothing more than putting you in your place.

Pick your battles very wisely. And before you pick your battles, ensure you know your opponent!

Chocha Monger
07-15-11, 08:08
Truer words have never been spoken CM. Some guys blame the street viagra for giving them the common cold instead of a Standing Hampton. That sore throat they got was most likely from eating tainted beaver as a result of not being able to spring wood and then resigning themselves to licking the puss in quiet desperation. Next time they may want to consider an IV drip of Viagra.Screaming Beaver,

You're correct! I haven't seen a single post where someone suffered these supposedly horrible dick crippling side effects from street Viagra. Frankly, I'd be more terrified of getting a case of HPV induced throat cancer or a wicked warty tongue from having resorted to licking a bar girl's puss in quiet desperation after failing to run up the battle flag.

Soapy Smith
07-15-11, 08:48
There is an alternative, and that is to have a reliable supplier. I have such a guy in Angeles City. He has been there for years, and has been supplying me for years. He is Australian, and they are direct imports from India.I agree, a sensible alternative for those who stay in the Phils long enough to develop such relationships.

Cunning Stunt
07-15-11, 09:43
Screaming Beaver,

Frankly, I'd be more terrified of getting a case of HPV induced throat cancer.......which, I guess, you would then treat with life saving cancer drugs obtained from a feckless sidewalk drug dealer with a lucrative sideline in dodgy Rolex's:).

FreebieFan
07-15-11, 10:11
I agree, a sensible alternative for those who stay in the Phils long enough to develop such relationships.Reminds me of my life in KL.

I don't know but got to know a pharmacist who worked for Watsons (a large company in Asia that has many retail stores in Asia that have on site pharmacies ). He had a good sideline going by importing Kamagra.

I'd call him when I needed more supply, he'd take the subway to my location, take the money, pass me an envelope and I'd be good for the next few months.

Adagio22
07-15-11, 12:30
Boy were you right about that Sammon, I've never seen such well placed padding in my life. I really like MBC, if it weren't asian girls I would say that is my favorite monger place to date. It's a lot like Del Rey except from what I experienced the girls don't talk price. I brought two girls back to hotel at 6am and they never mentioned anything from the beginning about price. I even made it clear on numerous occassions that I was new so let me know about anything that may be different around here. I liked that they asked for tip in morning instead of before hand. I gave the "tip" 2000 to the girl I screwed, then the other one said where's mine and I said I gave all my money to your friend babe. Then her "best friend" was like he only give me 1000 sorry. It was so funny watching them argue because the one girl knew I gave her more. That was probably worth it alone. I kick myself for passing up some that I would have preferred earlier for taking two skanks back but I woke up at 11 and forced myself out and it took me a few beers to feel myself. Tonight I am not letting tits or ass weigh my decision, these girls do a great job with high heel trickory and make up so I think one looks a little less asian and then BAM she's 5'1 and looks like every other girl I've screwed here when we get back to the hotel. I really should have took the girl at 6 that worked me hard and said she'd come back and treat me good for 700, if only there was a monger time machine.

Side note: Met a brit who has a place here and he told me a similar story to one I heard here about a guy getting picked up for smoking. In this case he was drinking in public. He confirmed my theory that if you make a big enough fuss they let you go. He went from a 3000 fine to them letting him walk because he pulled a Simon Cowel. He pulled the embassy card fairly quickly. Also he agreed that if you're not doing anything wrong you'll be fine, he just happened to get caught the only time he has ever had a mixed drink in public. This guy was stocky but only like 5'6 so I'm pretty sure the cops just want the easy money and easy money keeps them coming back for more. 3000 pesos is not a ton of money but we both agreed that if you bend over and take it you are bound to be a target again or help other white guys become targets.Thank you about your differents reports.

Iam sorry but what is "MBC", something in makati?

Thanks

Adagio22
07-15-11, 12:33
Boy were you right about that Sammon, I've never seen such well placed padding in my life. I really like MBC, if it weren't asian girls I would say that is my favorite monger place to date. It's a lot like Del Rey except from what I experienced the girls don't talk price. I brought two girls back to hotel at 6am and they never mentioned anything from the beginning about price. I even made it clear on numerous occassions that I was new so let me know about anything that may be different around here. I liked that they asked for tip in morning instead of before hand. I gave the "tip" 2000 to the girl I screwed, then the other one said where's mine and I said I gave all my money to your friend babe. Then her "best friend" was like he only give me 1000 sorry. It was so funny watching them argue because the one girl knew I gave her more. That was probably worth it alone. I kick myself for passing up some that I would have preferred earlier for taking two skanks back but I woke up at 11 and forced myself out and it took me a few beers to feel myself. Tonight I am not letting tits or ass weigh my decision, these girls do a great job with high heel trickory and make up so I think one looks a little less asian and then BAM she's 5'1 and looks like every other girl I've screwed here when we get back to the hotel. I really should have took the girl at 6 that worked me hard and said she'd come back and treat me good for 700, if only there was a monger time machine.

Side note: Met a brit who has a place here and he told me a similar story to one I heard here about a guy getting picked up for smoking. In this case he was drinking in public. He confirmed my theory that if you make a big enough fuss they let you go. He went from a 3000 fine to them letting him walk because he pulled a Simon Cowel. He pulled the embassy card fairly quickly. Also he agreed that if you're not doing anything wrong you'll be fine, he just happened to get caught the only time he has ever had a mixed drink in public. This guy was stocky but only like 5'6 so I'm pretty sure the cops just want the easy money and easy money keeps them coming back for more. 3000 pesos is not a ton of money but we both agreed that if you bend over and take it you are bound to be a target again or help other white guys become targets.Thank you about your reports.

Iam sorry but what is "MBC"?

Somethink in makati place?

Thanks

MadisonGuy
07-15-11, 20:07
Thank you about your reports.

Iam sorry but what is "MBC"?

Somethink in makati place?

ThanksManila Bay Cafe.

Should have stayed away from the sushi at Diamond. I figured 5 star hotel I'm safe and I missed a day of mongering because of it. Hopefully I won't miss tomorrow.

Adagio22
07-15-11, 20:27
Manila Bay Cafe.

Should have stayed away from the sushi at Diamond. I figured 5 star hotel I'm safe and I missed a day of mongering because of it. Hopefully I won't miss tomorrow.Thank you Madisonguy.

Many people talk about this place.

Look really interesting.

Member #4643
07-16-11, 00:49
This is completely wrong. You don't need an erection to masturbate but you do need one for penetration.

SlimI never knew that one could masturbate without an erection. Thanks for setting me straight.

This was not the real reason I posted the link to the news item about high level antibiotic resistance to gonorrhea in Asia, but I suppose that I should be thankful that someone actually gave some thought to my posting.

Mc Don
07-16-11, 01:06
Being an argumentive Brit (well according to ISG I am, because I called a guy in KL who tips his girls US$3 a tightwad) , I wouldn't asvise everyone to to make a big fuss.

There are some cops out there who love to play the power game and to let you know they, and not you, are in charge.

Some are intimidated by a white guy who can talk a lot, others are definately not and would like nothing more than putting you in your place.

Pick your battles very wisely. And before you pick your battles, ensure you know your opponent!VERY GOOD ADVICE! One of my buddies who is a lawyer in Australia for a big international firm with offices everywhere once pulled the embassy card and started arguing with a cop in phils over drinking in public (burgos out of all places). He got himself arrested and in the police station he continued to argue and probably swore at the wrong person there. On the end he payed the fine spent the night in police station and got a nice black stamp in his passport the next morning. He was given 48 hours to finish up his business in phils and leave. I no longer travel with him anywhere, I prefer to meet him at the final destination these days as he gets stuck almost at every airport trying to explain the black stamp in his passport.

Screaming Beaver
07-16-11, 02:21
Manila Bay Cafe.

Should have stayed away from the sushi at Diamond. I figured 5 star hotel I'm safe and I missed a day of mongering because of it. Hopefully I won't miss tomorrow.I hope you are back in action soon. It's difficult even in Manila to get laid with liquified crap squirting out of your ass.

MadisonGuy
07-16-11, 04:30
VERY GOOD ADVICE! One of my buddies who is a lawyer in Australia for a big international firm with offices everywhere once pulled the embassy card and started arguing with a cop in phils over drinking in public (burgos out of all places). He got himself arrested and in the police station he continued to argue and probably swore at the wrong person there. On the end he payed the fine spent the night in police station and got a nice black stamp in his passport the next morning. He was given 48 hours to finish up his business in phils and leave. I no longer travel with him anywhere, I prefer to meet him at the final destination these days as he gets stuck almost at every airport trying to explain the black stamp in his passport.There is a difference between standing up for your rights and being an asshole. Swearing or name calling or saying bad things is not necessary. But simply insisting you talk to your embassy because you are unaware of laws here and you have no problem working through everything peacefully but just need some help from your government figuring out the best way to do that. It is a law they have to uphold here or in any other country. I think the odds of someone having problems with the police here are slim to none, but anything is possible. I read people only carry 2k or less and I kind of did that in the beginning but now I carry a lot more only because I feel way safer here than in most countries. I'm not sure where all the worry comes from. I feel the same here as in Chicago.

Emale
07-16-11, 05:17
Manila Bay Cafe.

Should have stayed away from the sushi at Diamond. I figured 5 star hotel I'm safe and I missed a day of mongering because of it. Hopefully I won't miss tomorrow.That's the problem. The Diamond Hotel is not a 5 star Hotel, they just charge 5 star prices

MadisonGuy
07-16-11, 05:22
That's the problem. The Diamond Hotel is not a 5 star Hotel, they just charge 5 star pricesEvery hotel is a 5 star hotel in Manila haven't you heard? Ha ha. I thought Diamond was pretty nice though, they put the effort into 5 stars. I'm about to head to MBC at about 1pm to see how the daytime report holds up. I was impressed at 6pm on thur so who knows maybe I will be surprised. Nothing starts going in makati till later anyway so stuck at New World spanking it until night time. Hopefully stomach will keep some what at bay luckily MBC bathrooms aren't something I wouldn't want to use if need be.

Nvslim
07-16-11, 10:17
Thank you about your reports.

Iam sorry but what is "MBC"?

Somethink in makati place?

ThanksNot only did you quote a long ass report to ask a question but you did it twice.

Save us a bit of scrolling and snip some of the unneeded text.

Slim

MadisonGuy
07-16-11, 16:50
1PM at MBC is still pretty damn good. A pretty large selection grabbed 2 girls took them to hotel pool, got rid of one because she got drunk and annoying and sessioned with the other. She never asked for a dime just like the last one but I paid 1600.

BionicMan
07-16-11, 17:10
Sooner than later you will get a problem with street vendors sex performance enhancing drugs. This stuff could contain impurities or even poisonous substances causing bad side effects. I would never touch that stuff and in my view it is better to be safe than sorry and buy the original products at a pharmacy even if they cost more.Fully agreeing. I am always horrified to see "medicines" being sold by vendors on the side of the street, bethem viagra, cialis or anything.

As you say, they might contain anything and only a sucker can believe they are over stock or side production "from the original source".

Chocha Monger
07-16-11, 19:34
.which, I guess, you would then treat with life saving cancer drugs obtained from a feckless sidewalk drug dealer with a lucrative sideline in dodgy Rolex's:).A few mornings ago I opened my copy of The Philippine Star and found an advisory that Oral B mouthwash was under recall for possible contamination.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/24309/oral-b-mouthwash-recalled-on-contamination-concerns

Seems to me that even Procter and Gamble can't guarantee products free of microbial contamination. You're not any safer if you're taking cholesterol medication or any drug period. Perhaps, you've forgotten Pfizer's recall of Lipitor.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/29/lipitor-recall-cholestero_n_776112.html

Brand name manufacturers don't always produce safe products. There is no such thing as a "safe" dick pill for those afflicted by erectile dysfunctions or those using these substances recreationally for hobbying. Even Viagra produced by Pfizer has caused blindness and hearing lost. The choices are really simple. Pay more for the same dodgy drug sold peddled by Pfizer, pay less for the same dodgy drug peddled by your friendly Filipino street pharmacist, or silently munch on your street meat in quiet desperation in a vain attempt to get your pesos worth and salvage your loss of dignity.

Chocha Monger
07-16-11, 19:43
I hope you are back in action soon. It's difficult even in Manila to get laid with liquified crap squirting out of your ass.I am sure some "gwapo" guys will come along and claim that this is not only possible but de rigueur for mongering in Manila.

Soapy Smith
07-16-11, 21:41
an advisory that Oral B mouthwash was under recall for possible contamination.

Pfizer's recall of Lipitor.There are mechanisms in place for licensing, inspecting, and, if necessary, recalling patented medicines? And so who is it that's in charge of inspecting and recalling the dodgy street vendors' pills?

Only two options you say-dodgy name brand or dodgy street drugs. Really? That's pretty imaginative writing, but not pretty thoughtful. Have you been reading anything that's been said in this discussion other than posts by you and Screaming Beaver?

Chocha Monger
07-16-11, 22:08
There are mechanisms in place for licensing, inspecting, and, if necessary, recalling patented medicines? And so who is it that's in charge of inspecting and recalling the dodgy street vendors' pills?

Only two options you say-dodgy name brand or dodgy street drugs. Really? That's pretty imaginative writing, but not pretty thoughtful. Have you been reading anything that's been said in this discussion other than posts by you and Screaming Beaver?Skip,

Pray tell what good is licensing, inspecting and recalling your patented Viagra going to do you when you've already taken the pills in anticipation of a Standing Hampton but instead find yourself stricken blind, deaf and laid low by the Widow Maker with your favorite bar girl in a Sogo? The makers of the dodgy dick pills have nothing to gain by selling you a poison. Dead elderly sex tourists in random ho-tels all over the Philippines makes for bad press and even worse repeat customers. The absolute worst that can happen to you is that they sell you some Skittles in a Viagra box and you're out 200 pesos trike fare for your hired lover. With the internet and mongering forums such as this one it wouldn't take long for reports of deadly dick pills to come to light. So, to answer your question I guess ISG is just as effective a regulatory body for putting out the word on bad batches of blue diamonds.

BionicMan
07-16-11, 23:36
Skip,

The makers of the dodgy dick pills have nothing to gain by selling you a poison. Dead elderly sex tourists in random ho-tels all over the Philippines makes for bad press and even worse repeat customers. .I trust you have heard of certain drugs (such as heroin and cocaine) cut with marble powder or worst.

They have a lot to gain as the decrease the cost and increase the earnings and they do not care for deadly drug tourists.

At the same token certain "medicines" have been made in dodgy places, with no certification for cleaness, purity or safety of the ingredients.

They (the dodgy dick pill makers) have a lot to gain as the decrease the cost and increase the earnings and they do not care for deadly sex tourists. : do you think they will be related to their vending stall?

About some recal of brand medicines, it is true an accident can always happen, but the principles of correctness are set.

Certainly not with the street sellers. They can care the less. And you do not know what is inside those blue or yellow pills.

Screaming Beaver
07-17-11, 00:18
They can care the less. And you do not know what is inside those blue or yellow pills.There really is one born every minute. I occasionally wondered why somebody would knowingly pay 10X the price for something like Pfizer Viagra for no apparent reason. Now I know, its fear! This also helps explain why Pfizer has a market cap of 150 Billion Dollars. Most westerners are programmed to fear anything that's not made in the West. It must be bad or even lethal. The fact that there is not one documented case of anyone dying due to poison generic viagra in spite of the billions of tables sold makes no difference. What is important is to feel comfortable and keep paying the tax to Pfizer so the boogie man does not get you. It's your dough sucker. Personally, I'd be more concerned about getting a serious case of the squirts from eating raw fish.

WestCoast1
07-17-11, 01:04
There really is one born every minute. I occasionally wondered why somebody would knowingly pay 10X the price for something like Pfizer Viagra for no apparent reason. Now I know, its fear! This also helps explain why Pfizer has a market cap of 150 Billion Dollars. Most westerners are programmed to fear anything that's not made in the West. It must be bad or even lethal. The fact that there is not one documented case of anyone dying due to poison generic viagra in spite of the billions of tables sold makes no difference. What is important is to feel comfortable and keep paying the tax to Pfizer so the boogie man does not get you. It's your dough sucker. Personally, I'd be more concerned about getting a serious case of the squirts from eating raw fish.99% of mine are from the streets. Still waiting for something unusual. Its nothing more than fear. Which is more likely?

1. You will get the generic.

2. You will get a fake (placebo) viagra (costs the manufacturer less).

3. You will get one doctored with something harmful.

The odds are overwhelmingly in that order. Pill worry-worts are saying there is some boogey-man out there putting an expensive chemical in the pills to make money, not caring what happens to the customer. Its always possible, but they are arguing the long odds. You know, if you take 10 generics and don't have a problem, you cannot look the worry-wort in the eye and tell him he's wrong (your sample is too small). Take 100 without problem, and the worry-wort was wrong. Take 300 and you can honestly consider him PHOBIC.

Some of my other fav worry-worts:

* "Filipines? Filipines! OMG are you crazy? Aren't you worried about being kidnapped?" Hahaha no. The more times I go there, the more phobic you sound.

* "Indonesia? Indonesia! OMG are you crazy? Aren't you afraid of those MUSLIMS?" Hahaha no. The more times I go, the more phobic you sound.

* "Mexico? Mexico! OMG are you crazy? You'll get killed in the drug war!" Hahaha no. The more times I go, the more phobic you sound.

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Phizer's north american production facility for Viagra is in a third-world US district (Puerto Rico).

Member #4698
07-17-11, 01:07
Personally, I'd be more concerned about getting a serious case of the squirts from eating raw fish.But to take your analogy a step further SB, I assume you would be more comfortable eating raw fish served up from a cart by a street vendor on Burgos than paying up and eating in an established 'rip off' sushi restaurant. I don't think so. I will continue to pay the high price and buy from the Pfizer's of the world in their licensed drugstores. It is not fear, but common sense and risk aversion that drives my decision. I am with Bionicman on this one.

I have a prescription for 20mg Cialis. I take 10mg / day when on the road. Costco Pharmacy charges $18 / pill in the USA and I get 99. 999% assured quality in return. I agree that the price is outrageous and when I run out while travelling, I do replenish my supply in BKK at my favorite pharmacy off Sukumvit for a lot less. But I know the pharmacist and have been doing business with him for 6. 7 years now.

Soapy Smith
07-17-11, 04:11
Most westerners are programmed to fear anything that's not made in the West. It must be bad or even lethal.And what would be your evidence for this sweeping generalization? I buy what I believe are generics manufactured in India. The last time I checked India wasn't considered the West, I have no fear in buying them, and I am not paying any taxes to Pfizer when I buy them. It is street behavior among Manila's camp followers that I do not trust. You and many others have had good experiences with street pills, so by all means buy what makes you happy. Although how would you know from your experiences whether the pill is giving the effect or it's in fact a placebo effect driven by your confidence that you've taken an effective ED pill? Are you that certain that you can't get wood without the pill, so that it must be the pill that lets you perform?

My experience may have been one in a hundred, but I got fake Cialis from a guy at the corner of Padre Faura and Adriatico. In my case both Cialis and Levitra give me a minute or two of light-headedness about 20 minutes after I take the pill. With the fake stuff I got no such side effect, and at about 45 minutes into the action, my wood did start to flag. Thanks to an enthusiastic BG's oral ministrations, I managed to finish the FS deed without resorting to any illness-inducing DATY. I'm glad I've provided you with an occasion to express your humor; after all, humor makes the world go round. I also applaud your omniscience; it must be a terrible burden to know so much more about other people's experiences than they do and not be able to convince them of your wisdom.

Soapy Smith
07-17-11, 04:21
Pill worry-worts are saying there is some boogey-man out there putting an expensive chemical in the pills to make money, not caring what happens to the customer.I understand your argument: there's a small probability of getting bad pills. I think you're right. But your mention of this boogey-man analogy is the first time I've seen this in the forum. How did you conclude this is what people are saying? If there were such an argument, it seems like they'd be putting INexpensive chemicals in the pills. Isn't it also possible that two sides of this argument could be right without either one disproving the other? Your argument is that most ED pills sold on the street are okay. This could be; you have reported that this has been your own experience. But this doesn't mean that those who have reported bad experiences--I am one of them--are lying. My experience makes me very disinclined to buy them on the street, not because anybody intentionally put something in them, but because, Filipino street culture being what it is, the street vendors don't have any way of knowing whether their product is legitimate.

MauiDude
07-17-11, 05:43
99% of mine are from the streets. Still waiting for something unusual. Its nothing more than fear. Which is more likely?

1. You will get the generic.

2. You will get a fake (placebo) viagra (costs the manufacturer less).

3. You will get one doctored with something harmful.

The odds are overwhelmingly in that order. Pill worry-worts are saying there is some boogey-man out there putting an expensive chemical in the pills to make money, not caring what happens to the customer. Its always possible, but they are arguing the long odds.

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Phizer's north american production facility for Viagra is in a third-world US district (Puerto Rico).I think that the odds of getting poison is low also. But there is a variation in what they make the pills with.

I try to stay aware and educated but sometimes my education is inaccurate information or may be my own expierence and other people have other expierences.

But I believe if the pills are poison then it is because something is cheap and just an unhealthy substance.

For instance it is well documented that in China they add melamine (?) to powdered milk and it has caused some deaths.

Why do they do that?

Its is also documented that some drugs are totally nothing. Placebo? Of course I am relying on news reports and discover channel etc. For this information. For instance lot of news about malaria and other antibiotics that do nothing.

Now of course I am more interested in erectile enhancement drugs. For recreation and longer lasting.

The best erectile enhancement for me is the right girl that gets me totally excited but sometimes I need a little more.

So I have gotten some information. Maybe this is all true and may be only some of it and maybe its only my expierence.

My information is from friends. Doctors pharmacists and news reports and of course personal expierence.

One rumor is that street cialis uses phen phen (?) a substance / drug banned by fda for use in a diet drug?

The reason for the use of a more dangerous drug is that the manufacture is cheaper? And that they still want the pills to have some effect?

I have taken some street cialis and have had irregular heart beat. Many friends use the same thing and have no problems.

And I have used cialis from the pharmacy and do not get the same irregular heart beat?

I have also had complete heart checks with no problems with my heart. Other then when the girl says no then its a broken heart/

I have shown the pills to a trusted pharmacist in Pattaya and he says it is probably made in China and he does not know what chemicals are used? I have bought cialis from this pharmicist. He has three different prices for three different almost identical.

Cialis products. He says the USA manufactured is the better and cost more. (if sold in USA they are monitered by fda)

The product made in india is second best and the product made in China is the worst.

I use the stuff from india he sells me. Cost less and still works.

I have used his stuff made in China and no problems but the pharmacist recommeded I use either the stuff from india or USA?

Never did get a comprehenisve explanation of why one is better then the other?

Maybe too much time spent on this subject as I want to go out and meet some more girls here in angeles.

But I do believe that street anything is more risky then getting in a pharmacy. But not a super high risk. And not because they intentionally poison the pills but because they have a substance that has some effect, costs less and is just less safe. You get what you pay for? Or because they just don't pay attention to how it is manufactured? And in the manufacturing process they cut corners and don't do it safely because it cost more to do it right.

With that being said how can you even trust the pharmacies in 3rd world countries?

MauiDude
07-17-11, 06:06
I understand your argument: there's a small probability of getting bad pills. I think you're right. But your mention of this boogey-man analogy is the first time I've seen this in the forum. How did you conclude this is what people are saying? If there were such an argument, it seems like they'd be putting INexpensive chemicals in the pills. Isn't it also possible that two sides of this argument could be right without either one disproving the other? Your argument is that most ED pills sold on the street are okay. This could be; you have reported that this has been your own experience. But this doesn't mean that those who have reported bad experiences--I am one of them--are lying. My experience makes me very disinclined to buy them on the street, not because anybody intentionally put something in them, but because, Filipino street culture being what it is, the street vendors don't have any way of knowing whether their product is legitimate.Most of these guys don't really care what happens to the customers? They just want money? So I agree with you. And I have had bad expierence with street products. I am not so afraid as in a pinch I still use them? Risky? And to what degree is the risk?

Fucking girls that fuck other guys is risky also. So don't worry be happy but accept that there is some risk? And decide how much risk you want.

MauiDude
07-17-11, 06:19
I trust you have heard of certain drugs (such as heroin and cocaine) cut with marble powder or worst.

They have a lot to gain as the decrease the cost and increase the earnings and they do not care for deadly drug tourists.

In response to.

Skip,

The makers of the dodgy dick pills have nothing to gain by selling you a poison. Dead elderly sex tourists in random ho-tels all over the Philippines makes for bad press and even worse repeat customers.I got to say from what I see in this country. If a foreigner dies from drug reaction or poison then it will just say he died of a heart attack. No problem with the police to worry about a difficult investigation? Or even to have bad press. Do they really care?

The ones that do care are not really in control of this country? Anyway maybe I am too jaded and don't trust anything

Red Kilt
07-17-11, 12:15
The main concern is for guys who are taking a buffet of pills for all sorts of problems ranging from prostatitis to severe heart problems.

I would be very wary about using some of these generics and herbals if I was like that.

If you are fit and strong and healthy (age is not the issue here) then it is unlikely that anything in the generic street stuff will "hurt" you greatly. It might give you a dry mouth, a headache or some strong green light effects but time will heal that.

I consider myself fit and healthy (gym 4 times each week) and I never use the street stuff and probably never will but it's up to how you feel about the future years.

I just don't wish to do anything to set me back on a hopefully healthy few more years yet (make that decades LOL)

Soapy Smith
07-17-11, 13:21
there really is one born every minute. i occasionally wondered why somebody would knowingly pay 10x the price for something like pfizer viagra for no apparent reason. now i know, its fear! this also helps explain why pfizer has a market cap of 150 billion dollars. most westerners are programmed to fear anything that's not made in the west. it must be bad or even lethal.

!!!!!! the fact that there is not one documented case of anyone dying due to poison generic viagra in spite of the billions of tables sold makes no difference!!!!!!

what is important is to feel comfortable and keep paying the tax to pfizer so the boogie man does not get you. it's your dough sucker. personally, i'd be more concerned about getting a serious case of the squirts from eating raw fish.he who laughs last laughs loudest. the file below is a little nighttime reading from the new england journal of medicine. (i copied the text out of an online article but choose not to advertise how i got it; if you don't trust me i included the complete citation in the file.) would you consider nejm a reliable source? regarding a particular case in singapore it reports four deaths and seven cases still comatose as of the february 2009 publication. unfortunately the seven comatose apparently died, because a more recent source (hellstrom. 2011, p. 2) reports that eventually there were "11 deaths and 24 coma cases with residual deficits" in singapore.

btw, the singapore report cites an earlier incident in hong kong, in case anybody wants to check into it. here's the reference for hellstrom:

hellstrom, wayne j. g, md, facs (january 2011). 'the growing concerns regarding counterfeit medications. ' the journal of sexual medicine, vol. 8, no. 1, pp. 1-3.

hellstsrom also reported this:

'illegal (erectile dysfunction) generics may contain a varying and inconsistent amount of active ingredients. analysis of 103 samples purchased online, using near-infrared spectroscopy, revealed varying amounts of sildenafil and other active ingredients including; clomiphene citrate, yohimbine, guinine, amphetamine, and dipyrone. in another recent study, a chemical analysis of confirep001ed counterfeit pde5 inhibitors was conducted in south korea. of the counterfeit drugs confirep001ed, 58% contained excess active ingredient, some 2. 4-fold higher than the maximum dose. 38% showed no active drug, and only 1% showed proper dosing [7]. heavy metals such as lead and mercury were also isolated [7]' (p. 2).

footnote 7 refers to this korean study:

min k, kim s, park k, lee s, hyun j, moon k, yang d, yan s, moon d, ryou j, chung w, kim m, park j. a study for chemical analysis of counterfeit phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors in korea: 1371. journal of urology. 2010; 1371a:e530.

of course we can't vouch for the korean's science, although they did get it published in the journal of urology. and, of course, it's possible that our filipino street vendors are a much more respectable and better regulated lot than those dodgy koreans.

actually, i found that the electronic version of the nejm piece was cross-referenced to 11 subsequent articles reporting more recent evidence, which included hellstrom and the following:

jackson, g, arver, a, banks, i, and stecher, v. j. (march 2010). 'counterfeit phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitors pose significant safety risks. ' international journal of clinical practice, vol. 64, issue 4, pp. 497–504.

a summary of the jackson et al. article includes this reassuring news:

'analysis of the contents of counterfeit pde5s shows inconsistent doses of active pharmaceutical ingredients (from 0% to 200% of labeled dose), contaminants (including talcum powder, commercial paint and printer ink) and alternative ingredients that are potentially hazardous. in one analysis, only 10.1% of samples were within 10% of the labeled tablet strength. '

i was sort of tongue-in-cheek when i first mentioned the possibility of placebo effect for those who are getting good results with the street pills. based on the korean study i'd now say it's not entirely a joke.

now, many of the fine researchers who publish in these internationally respected journals are medical practitioners and scientists with a stake in promoting the patented versions of the drugs, but i'm wondering if there's anybody in the forum qualified to disprove them. and then again, there's a sizable number of americans who still believe barack obama was born in kenya or indonesia, and when you point to the birth announcement published in a honolulu paper they insist the paper is complicit in the grand conspiracy to take over the united states government.

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Screaming Beaver
07-17-11, 20:56
The file below is a little nighttime reading from the New England Journal of Medicine. (I copied the text out of an online article but choose not to advertise how I got it; if you don't trust me I included the complete citation in the file.)You choose not to advertise where you got this garbage? Really? Frankly I'm surprised how some old boys can muster up enough courage to get out of bed in the morning knowing what might be waiting for them. This shows if you spend enough hours on the internet you can find just about anything you want to help scare you. Okay SK, you are probably correct. I'm pretty sure those Viagra salesmen on P. Burgos are selling stuff laced with Boric Acid so stay away!

Soapy Smith
07-18-11, 00:01
You choose not to advertise where you got this garbage? Really? Frankly I'm surprised how some old boys can muster up enough courage to get out of bed in the morning knowing what might be waiting for them. This shows if you spend enough hours on the internet you can find just about anything you want to help scare you. Okay SK, you are probably correct. I'm pretty sure those Viagra salesmen on P. Burgos are selling stuff laced with Boric Acid so stay away!RTFF!

I said I got it from the New England Journal of Medicine. In the file I posted is the complete reference: volume 360, issue 7, pages 734-736. I said I choose not to advertise HOW I got it. You can get it too in any reputable library, and you might be able to find it online, as I did. Forewarned is forearmed. You can choose to do what you want, but please keep your uninformed opinions to yourself.

FreebieFan
07-18-11, 01:46
. Most westerners are programmed to fear anything that's not made in the West. It must be bad or even lethal. .Um last time I looked there isn't actually much that IS made in the West. Take a look at electronics (all Asian produced) clothing (mostly South America and Asia ). Not much is currently being made in West so your point is maybe not so valid. The movement from a manufacturing economoy to a service based economy happened many years ago / Sorry to rain on your parade.

Soapy Smith
07-18-11, 03:01
you choose not to advertise where you got this garbage? really? frankly i'm surprised how some old boys can muster up enough courage to get out of bed in the morning knowing what might be waiting for them. this shows if you spend enough hours on the internet you can find just about anything you want to help scare you. okay sk, you are probably correct. i'm pretty sure those viagra salesmen on p. burgos are selling stuff laced with boric acid so stay away!sb,

i apologize for the tone of my message in post #7517. i used smugness and irony in a backhanded attempt at humor that was essentially laughing at you. my personal credo is for humor with others, not humor at others' expense. i sincerely wish i had not used that tone.

post #7519, on the other hand, was not a joke. by the way, it took me about five minutes to get to the article in the new england journal of medicine. i did a google search with the term "fake viagra." about the fourth or fifth item that popped up was an online report of the singapore story, and the online report acknowledged taking it's information from the february 12, 2009 issue of the new england journal of medicine. i then used a gateway through my place of employment to open the nejm article. seriously, about five minutes to get to that point. unfortunately, the pdf version of the nejm article included an imprint indicating that it was being retrieved from my place of employment. i do not put information about my job or my place of employment on this forum, and so i decided to copy and paste the article contents to the word file that i posted in #7517. the word file in post #7517 is the article verbatim, minus the two tables that i could not copy.

the new england journal of medicine, founded in 1812, is the oldest continuously published medical journal in the world. it is a peer-reviewed journal, meaning that a small panel of experts (usually about three) review each article before the journal agrees to publish it. to avoid personal agendas in the review process, the editors do not tell the reviewers the identity of the authors, and the authors are not told the identities of the reviewers. if an article is accepted, then everybody eventually sees the authors' identities, but reviewers' names are usually not disclosed. the editor has the task of selecting reviewers who are the primary experts in the subject area of each article. this double-blind review process is what makes the contents of journals like this so reliable. in most recent ratings the new england journal of medicine has the highest impact score among the world's clinical medical journals. impact score is a measure of the journal's reputation and perceived accuracy from experts in the profession. the lancet, headquartered in london, is number two and the journal of the american medical association is number three. i think it's inaccurate to say that these journals are garbage.

when i am searching for evidence about something for which i have limited knowledge, i often start with sources like google search and wikipedia. but i then look to see where google items or wikipedia articles get their information, and i go to the original source that i believe is most credible. i knew that nejm had a good reputation, but didn't find out until later that it is the most influential medical journal in the world. until i saw the online article about the singapore story i had been inclined to believe your assertion that there have been no deaths from fake ed pills. similarly, i had not been aware of the studies that showed the proportion of generic ed pills that are fake.

it seems to me that reliable information is helpful, and people can do with it whatever they want. obviously i was not always too fearful to try street pills, but my decision not to buy any more was based on a desire to get legitimate pills, not the fear of dangerous contaminants. the fact that 38% of the generics in the korean study contained no active ingredients suggests that my suspicion that i'd bought fake street pills was well founded. i have continued to buy generics online, because these businesses have names, websites, phone numbers, etc. i know they aren't entirely fly-by-night because they place periodic calls to my cell phone trying to sell me more. i've been dealing with one company for a little more than two years. but i made choices to buy from them in the interest of reliability, not fear. given the study that showed that only 10% of generics were within 10% of prescribed limits for the active ingredients and others that found printer ink, talcum powder, commercial paint, mercury and lead in the generics i am rethinking my generic purchasing strategy. but please notice that my emphasis here is on thinking, not fear.

Key Master
07-18-11, 03:38
I got to say from what I see in this country. If a foreigner dies from drug reaction or poison then it will just say he died of a heart attack. No problem with the police to worry about a difficult investigation? Or even to have bad press. Do they really care?

The ones that do care are not really in control of this country? Anyway maybe I am too jaded and don't trust anythingThis was going to be my point MauiDude. In Thailand, a lot of times they will call a death something else like cardiac or respiratory instead of drug overdose or being drugged by a bargirl or something so they don't scare the tourists away and also they don't do due diligence. How is the person who died from possibly taking the street vendor's drugs supposed to report it? Do you really expect the PI authorities to do an autopsy in the way a western country most likely will? I'm sure the Manila and Makati are now prepared for flooding after that big monsoon from almost 2 years ago, because they are on top of things. I'm not saying that anyone has died from taking the ED drugs on the street, but to say they are all the same and stuff to me is just being ignorant. Even a generic version isn't exactly the same from my understanding as the original drug.

My experience with Viagra hasn't been good. I tried it but I got a lot of side effects from taking it and moved on to Cialis which works for me, and will last in my body for 3 to 5 days, so that's my choice for now. I have a friend who has lived in Angeles for many years and I wanted to get Cialis off the street. He took me to his and his friends trusted vendor on the street there so I bought a box of their "Cialis". Well I tried 3 times with their pills, and I felt like there was no effect from the pills. I gave up on them and threw them out and got some from a pharmacy and it immediately worked the way I have known it to work. I haven't tried the Viagra on the street because it's not worth it for me given the side effects so I am commenting on my experience with "Cialis" on the street. I have tried the jell, Kamagra which is a form of Viagra bought in Thailand from friend, and it worked for me, giving me the normal headache afterwards.

My take on this is, I think it's probably best if everyone makes up their own mind if they want to take a chance on buying such a thing on the street or not. I think giving warnings is better than saying go for it, don't worry though. You don't know exactly what you got. Your experience is such, that's fine, but it may not be the same for another person. There's no guarantee that even legit stuff won't cause a problem as manufacturers aren't unknown to have tainted stuff. At the same time, I think it's not worth arguing over that it's safe, because you can't guarantee that, and you aren't insuring their dependents. Sure it's a lot cheaper, but what is one's life worth if they get some real bad stuff? Would it have been worth it then to just pay for the real stuff then at a higher price? That's how I came to my decision after taking the bs Cialis off the street vendor who came highly recommended from many expats living in Angeles. They may be taking Viagra pills from them that work for them and not the Cialis. I know that it didn't work for me. In then end, what's it worth to you? I ended up deciding to just get my doctor to give me a prescription and bring my own now. I don't see the cheaper price on the street as being worth it for me to try it again.

Soapy Smith
07-18-11, 03:53
I ended up deciding to just get my doctor to give me a prescription and bring my own now. I don't see the cheaper price on the street as being worth it for me to try it again.As much as we pooh-pooh having to get a doctor's prescription and appreciate being able to get the pills without a prescription, I think the doctor's prescription is a good idea. In my case my doctor prescribed Levitra, specifically because viagra and cialis interact with some other meds I take. I have been known to ignore his advice and purchase generic cialis, with both good results and none at all. I only need half a 20 mg tab of Levitra, and its effects kick in within about 30 minutes and last about six hours. The other nice thing about Levitra is that it has no adverse interaction with alcohol or greasy food. But whatever puts wood in your driver.

FreebieFan
07-18-11, 04:17
This was going to be my point MauiDude. In Thailand, a lot of times they will call a death something else like cardiac or respiratory instead of drug overdose or being drugged by a bargirl or something so they don't scare the tourists away and also they don't do due diligence. How is the person who died from possibly taking the street vendor's drugs supposed to report it? the normal headache afterwards.As this long and winding discussion continues its path I thought I would share the link to one of the worlds most interesting newspapers.

www.pattayadailynews.com

Forget phone hacking et al. This paper has fabulous stories of who robbed who, who "fell" off their balcony, who slipped a Mickey in who's drink, who thought they were buying a she but got a he, who fell off their bike and who just checked out of Life. A great read and some cautionary wisdom for those who are headed to Patts.

Soapy Smith
07-18-11, 08:04
www.pattayadailynews.com

Forget phone hacking et al. This paper has fabulous stories of who robbed who, who "fell" off their balcony, who slipped a Mickey in who's drink, who thought they were buying a she but got a he, who fell off their bike and who just checked out of Life. A great read and some cautionary wisdom for those who are headed to Patts.Funny stuff, FF. Do you think there's potential to start a self-supporting site like this in the Phils?

FF, I have a question for you. How do you get the url to copy correctly in your posts? I try to cut-and-paste them into a report as I type it, and when the report posts there's a series of ellipses in the middle of the address and the damn link doesn't work. I sent a question to Jackson and he replied,"send me the link." I want to be able to add words in the report associated with the url, as you did here, so Jackson's offer to post for me doesn't help. I notice you start with www; is that the trick? I entered everything, including the http, front slashes, colon, and so on. I can't find instructions in any of the FAQ or other instruction pages. Thanks for sharing.

BionicMan
07-18-11, 09:02
This was going to be my point MauiDude. In Thailand, a lot of times they will call a death something else like cardiac or respiratory .At the end of the day we all die because heart stops working (whatever reason is behind that).

FreebieFan
07-18-11, 09:16
Funny stuff, FF. Do you think there's potential to start a self-supporting site like this in the Phils?

FF, I have a question for you. How do you get the url to copy correctly in your posts? I try to cut-and-paste them into a report as I type it, and when the report posts there's a series of ellipses in the middle of the address and the damn link doesn't work. I sent a question to Jackson and he replied,"send me the link." I want to be able to add words in the report associated with the url, as you did here, so Jackson's offer to post for me doesn't help. I notice you start with.

www

; is that the trick? I entered everything, including the.

http

, front slashes, colon, and so on. I can't find instructions in any of the FAQ or other instruction pages. Thanks for sharing.Hi Skip, I'd love to baffle you with science and really show that I'm a pc guru. Sadly I'm not. In this case I just "handwrote" the www Address from the website. This way is easier for inputting the main add of a site rather than the specific page you are on, ie www.dateinasai.com Rather than www.dateinasia/girlwith_hugeboobswaiting ForYOU. Com etc. Hope that helped.

JPF
07-18-11, 22:34
FF, I have a question for you. How do you get the url to copy correctly in your posts? I try to cut-and-paste them into a report as I type it, and when the report posts there's a series of ellipses in the middle of the address and the damn link doesn't work. I can't find instructions in any of the FAQ or other instruction pages.You missed this FAQ.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=posting_questions#faq_posting_questions_06

The forum software will correctly convert URLs. Jackson has a number of websites that he "censors" which is why you see the ellipses. So some websites will "work" and others won't.

Soapy Smith
07-19-11, 03:55
You missed this FAQ.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/faq.php?faq=posting_questions#faq_posting_questions_06

The forum software will correctly convert URLs. Jackson has a number of websites that he "censors" which is why you see the ellipses. So some websites will "work" and others won't.I've read that before, but I think the last time I got one rejected I was trying to link to a story in the Philippine Daily Inquirer. I'm surprised that Jackson considers that a competitor.

Thanks FF, I'll try typing in just the basics next time. Skip

Topmanten
07-19-11, 12:55
Hi,

I am lucky from chat contacts to get 2 students 22, 23, they told me half American, then I thought the other half will be Philippino, but it turned out to be African, still not bad, from 6pm to next day 10 am, good performance and very very horney, I have to put all my 4 fingers inside their pussy to satisfy them, damage permume, dinner, bf, plus 1000peso for phone, close to nearly 4500 peso, still not bad, one was ok, with huge ass, the other one was too skinny, not my type.

Day 2 freebee 39 fm chat, first time having a sex in 15 years, excellent perfomance.

Day 3 frm Edsa bullet and arrow # 34, excellent perfomance, all position and all request agreed 3000, 1600, 250 peso.

Will post photos shortly. Tonight going to MBC.

TMT

MauiDude
07-19-11, 16:47
Hi,

I am lucky from chat contacts to get 2 students 22, 23, they told me half American, then I thought the other half will be Philippino, but it turned out to be African, still not bad, from 6pm to next day 10 am, good performance and very very horney, I have to put all my 4 fingers inside their pussy to satisfy them, damage permume, dinner, bf, plus 1000peso for phone, close to nearly 4500 peso, still not bad, one was ok, with huge ass, the other one was too skinny, not my type.

Day 2 freebee 39 fm chat, first time having a sex in 15 years, excellent perfomance.

Day 3 frm Edsa bullet and arrow # 34, excellent perfomance, all position and all request agreed 3000, 1600, 250 peso.

Will post photos shortly. Tonight going to MBC.

TMTWow, I love skinny girls and especially too skinny. They can not be skinny enough for me.

How do I find the girl too skinny. I meet lots and lots of girls but very very few skinny enough for me. In some ways I am a freak.

But I am nice to the girls that I like. But not skinny enough.

JPF
07-20-11, 00:36
I've read that before, but I think the last time I got one rejected I was trying to link to a story in the Philippine Daily Inquirer. I'm surprised that Jackson considers that a competitor.It could be a coincidence that part of the name coincides with a competitor site. However, upon rethinking, the censored site names get replaced with asterisks, not ellipses, so I think my reply may have been incorrect and that the translation software just failed in your case.

Topmanten
07-20-11, 04:24
Here is the photos of those 2 African students I reported yesterday.

TMT

Nvslim
07-20-11, 10:56
Wow, I love skinny girls and especially too skinny. They can not be skinny enough for me.The girl has to have a little pussy padding or you end up getting a bruised pubis as I did. It is very painful and I thought I was ruined for life. :)

Slim

Mongerer69
07-20-11, 12:14
I am planning a trip to Manila and Hong Kong in late Sept with one of my friends. I have been many times before. Leaving from NY. JFK. We live in New Jersey. If anybody is interested send me a PM

Enchoo
07-20-11, 13:13
I stayed in 24 H apartment hotel in Makati (breakfast included) with interesting architecture and clean double rooms for just $33 dollars through Agoda and very girl friendly. http://www.hotel24h.com.ph/ But don't book through this website.

MBC had gorgeous girls but some girls did not negotiate honestly (she said in the bar that all night was 2, 500 pesos then she changes it to ST when we are in the hotel and she claims that she has a 4am appt in the hospital or she works the night shift. I could not complete my mission with her). So watch out for those shifty girls but I have no way to tell who is shifty / slick willie and who are honest.

I found with help of a sneaky taxi driver. Maliti (sp?) in the outside area in Makati had a hot 18 yo. Girl SWG but bad attitude when she got to the hotel. Still she was still hot so I was able to HE with her.

(Don't have to read if you know these facts already) Realize that when you make a DIA appointment with a Manila girl you have to tell her an hour earlier than the real meeting time because everyone in Manila is notoriously late (1 to 1. 5 hours) due to traffic or Phillipines ideas of time / plans. You have to be clear where you meet her because there are many SM malls and many Robinsons. SM Manila, SM South, SM Megamall in Shaw Blvd, SM North in / near Quezon. On average, my date was always 1. 2 hours late in our dates and I was usually 15-30 minutes late. I was unable to meet some DIA girls (they blamed me for the mixup) when I went one mall and they waited in another mall. The taxi drivers expect you to pay a tip if you can not give them exact change, if they (the drivers) get lost (surprised:?) , or if you have a girl with you. The DIA girls usually will ask you to pay their transportation costs in addition to dinner / date costs.

If you use a pay phone to a cell phone starting with 63- dial zero or 0 instead of 63. For the number of coins used and always asking for change in the phillippines it is better to just get a 1 week cell phone at the airport or just a text message sender / receiver device. Always explain what you are wearing and ask what they will wear so you don't have to look for them for 2 hours.

Girls love it when you are speaking their Tagalog language (Salamat = thank you) (Pasensya na = Sorry) (Ikaw ay matalino / maganda / mabait. You are smart / pretty / nice) When you are waiting for your extremely late date, make conversation with any hot people eating or just passing by like a lost tourist asking for directions and you can either stand-up your date (if they are sexy and hot enough) or just get their number and email to connnect again If you are contacting the DIA girls for dates start asking for their number 2 weeks before you come because many of them "have to think about it" or do not check their internet frequently enough. I missed the chance to connect with many girls because they did not give me their number or YM before I visited. This is my 2 pesos.

MauiDude
07-20-11, 17:37
The girl has to have a little pussy padding or you end up getting a bruised pubis as I did. It is very painful and I thought I was ruined for life. .

SlimMaybe I am sick but I love to feel it so tight. And so skinny even if it causes pain. Something really excites me to see the skinny girl taking it? Hahaha. So if you have her number please pm me?

Thanks

MadisonGuy
07-20-11, 20:27
I stayed in 24 H apartment hotel in Makati (breakfast included) with interesting architecture and clean double rooms for just $33 dollars through Agoda and very girl friendly.

http://www.hotel24h.com.ph/

But don't book through this website.

MBC had gorgeous girls but some girls did not negotiate honestly (she said in the bar that all night was 2, 500 pesos then she changes it to ST when we are in the hotel and she claims that she has a 4am appt in the hospital or she works the night shift. I could not complete my mission with her). So watch out for those shifty girls but I have no way to tell who is shifty / slick willie and who are honest.

I found with help of a sneaky taxi driver. Maliti (sp?) in the outside area in Makati had a hot 18 yo. Girl SWG but bad attitude when she got to the hotel. Still she was still hot so I was able to HE with her.

(Don't have to read if you know these facts already) Realize that when you make a DIA appointment with a Manila girl you have to tell her an hour earlier than the real meeting time because everyone in Manila is notoriously late (1 to 1. 5 hours) due to traffic or Phillipines ideas of time / plans. You have to be clear where you meet her because there are many SM malls and many Robinsons. SM Manila, SM South, SM Megamall in Shaw Blvd, SM North in / near Quezon. On average, my date was always 1. 2 hours late in our dates and I was usually 15-30 minutes late. I was unable to meet some DIA girls (they blamed me for the mixup) when I went one mall and they waited in another mall. The taxi drivers expect you to pay a tip if you can not give them exact change, if they (the drivers) get lost (surprised:?) , or if you have a girl with you. The DIA girls usually will ask you to pay their transportation costs in addition to dinner / date costs.

If you use a pay phone to a cell phone starting with 63- dial zero or 0 instead of 63. For the number of coins used and always asking for change in the phillippines it is better to just get a 1 week cell phone at the airport or just a text message sender / receiver device. Always explain what you are wearing and ask what they will wear so you don't have to look for them for 2 hours.

Girls love it when you are speaking their Tagalog language (Salamat = thank you) (Pasensya na = Sorry) (Ikaw ay matalino / maganda / mabait. You are smart / pretty / nice) When you are waiting for your extremely late date, make conversation with any hot people eating or just passing by like a lost tourist asking for directions and you can either stand-up your date (if they are sexy and hot enough) or just get their number and email to connnect again If you are contacting the DIA girls for dates start asking for their number 2 weeks before you come because many of them "have to think about it" or do not check their internet frequently enough. I missed the chance to connect with many girls because they did not give me their number or YM before I visited. This is my 2 pesos.I had just about the opposite experiences as you. I never negotiated with any of the girls prior, I had to kick all of them out, I never paid over 1500 and even then I could've got away with less but didn't take advantage that money was never discussed. Girls I met offline (not dia) would not let me pay transportation even though I preferred they take a taxi and arrive sooner they insisted they take a jeepney because a taxi is a waste of money to them, even though it was my money I was wanting to use. I never had anyone show up late, infact I worried more about girls showing up early and catching me with another girl. You do not want to call people in the Philippines, you want to get a cell phone and text. Nobody answers the phone because it costs more than texts, I was told this on more than one occassion when people would not answer my phones but then text me so I stopped calling. I didn't use Tagalog, I don't know a single word of it and always joked stop using that tagalonga stuff when I'm around, they found it humerous and generally stopped. I think if you go to MBC with negotiating in mind and make it a business transaction you will set yourself up for a business to fail. I go there to have fun and take a girl back from the bar just like I would at any other bar my chances are just way higher at MBC. I never approach girls at any place in the Philippines, I let them pick me and then I already know there is some type of attraction and I'm not trying to purchase it. I will add that generally I don't like girls staying all that long the next day. I prefer to go to breakfast alone, I think only on the first day did I take a girl to breakfast and I met her in Palladium so most likely she was not a working girl and I didn't pay her or her cousin as the both spent the night. I can certainly understand that a freelancer will be more likely to bolt early than say a girl in AC but again that is why I don't negotiate, if for some reason a girl wanted to negotiate (it didn't happen to me) I would just say lets spend time together and I will pay you accordingly when finished. This way if she leaves early you pay less and later you pay more. If she's not happy with that arrangement I would say you're in for a let down anyway. The first second I was in MBC at 6pm on a Thursday night I had a girl wanting to go with me for 700 pesos. Probably less because I just mentioned to her that I was here just to check it out and wanted to go back and get a massage at hotel for 700 and she's like well you can have me for 700 all night and I'll give you massages with more. I probably would have been better off with her because I went back later and spent all night only to stumble back to my hotel with 2 tramps one of which I thought had huge tits but she had super padding going on. Hopefully this will kind of give an idea of how different two trips can be. I also look like a bit of a dick until I'm drunk even the girls say it, that I look so serious and hard to approach. But honestly I don't want that many girls approaching me, the majority are annoying as hell and I haven't learned to say go away and usually if I ignore them long enough they get the message.

WestCoast1
07-21-11, 02:42
Stopped in late afternoon. 4-ish. Place was nearly full, many men, many ladies. Had a hot dog and left. Came back about 8 in the evening for a drink, then again about 11pm. The place was jumpin and full each time. A skinny thing had waved at me at 4pm, and I chatted her at 11. Told her I might be looking for a 3-some later for ST, including pics. She was fine with that and called over an even-skinnier. I asked how much and they said 1000 each. I didn't mention it, but I was fine with that and told them I'd be back later, I needed an ATM run.

Girl: OK if we go you, how much you give us? 1000?

Me: I don't know, the girls in the mall are doing 800 now [just wanted to see what she'd say next]

They spoke quicky in tag, then:

Girl: 900. We go 900.

I did not take a Gpoint girl last night, but there you have it. They are willing for sub-1000 now, as did my mall rat. I'm not trying to drive the price down, but its sure nice to know what they will work for. Two of the gals that walked in around 4pm were 9's. Real lookers. They were there at 8 and 11. I didn't see a single girl leave with a guy during my 3 visits (30-40 minutes each) at Gpoint. While there were lots of guys, they weren't biting. If 9's can't get a date in 8 hours of working the room (its always possible they ST'd between my visits, but probably not) , times are hard. Pretty much every girl there at 4pm was there at 8 and 11pm.

Couple of guys with euro-accents were sitting near me, early-mid 30's. They were there at 4, 8, and 11pm. Ordering large numbers of beers at a time (like 8). They weren't obnoxious at 4pm, but by 8pm they were. Oodles of empty beer bottles on the tables, loud. One fat guy was pinching the girls and pulling up their tops for fun. Mostly obnoxious. One of the two 9's came over to chat me up. On her way to get to me, the fat guy attempted to grab at her dress. When she got to me and we talked for a minute, I pointed to him and said,"Your new boyfriend ya." We laughed and she said that her friend had gone with the fat guy previously, he was too drunk to perform, and the next morning when he was horny,"His dick this big." She held up her pinky finger."Fat man little dick hahaha. My friend say to me she trying not to laugh him." Then she pointed to another of them. Her other friend (they are all friends it seems) went with that guy."She say he last one minute only. Next morning my friend offer to him a sex again. He say no, he too tired. From what he too tired? Hahaha." For the life of me, I can't imagine sitting around GPoint (or any bar) , drinking over-priced drinks (even with my friends) for 8 hours, and spending more on food / booze than you do on the girl. From another girl there last night: "They coming here every night." One would fly 8000 miles for that?

MauiDude
07-21-11, 03:22
Stopped in late afternoon. 4-ish. Place was nearly full, many men, many ladies. Had a hot dog and left. Came back about 8 in the evening for a drink, then again about 11pm. The place was jumpin and full each time. A skinny thing had waved at me at 4pm, and I chatted her at 11. Told her I might be looking for a 3-some later for ST, including pics. She was fine with that and called over an even-skinnier. I asked how much and they said 1000 each. I didn't mention it, but I was fine with that and told them I'd be back later, I needed an ATM run.

Girl: OK if we go you, how much you give us? 1000?

Me: I don't know, the girls in the mall are doing 800 now [just wanted to see what she'd say next]

They spoke quicky in tag, then:

Girl: 900. We go 900.Good for you. Its not driving prices down but keeping them even.

The girls in manila are not as good as when I first got to Philippines.

At least anyway I have not met very many at g point or mbc or anywhere there that impress me.

My last expierence was a rude upsell.

I made an agreement I think for 1500 or 2000 for the girl from mbc. Then get to the room and she wanted more.

I would have kicked her out as of now she had me totally pissed off. But I don't want any problems in manila.

I know I was overpaying anyway.

So I fucked her as hard as I could and was hoping her pussy hurt after ward.

She turned out to be one of my worse expierences in Philippines.

One of my friends tells me to just tell the girl what you will pay and no more. Let her take it or leave it.

But I am looking for more GFE. Even if its st. So I try to see that the girl is happy and will.

Cater to me more?

He says never pay more then 500 to 800 for st.

I have seen him in action so I know he does what he says.

Good to hear you are getting a reasonable exchange with the girls there. And skinny ones? I guess I will have to try g point.

Again.

But manila is the worse ghetto and they are either ghettor or overpriced/

I am so spoiled by girls in other areas

Azmodeus Fl
07-21-11, 04:07
There is no such thing as a girl being too thin. I love them thin that way you can pick them up and move then into the position you want.

FreebieFan
07-21-11, 04:39
There is no such thing as a girl being too thin. I love them thin that way you can pick them up and move then into the position you want.Not sure that I'm going to agree with you on this.

I have a 5ft 3 friend who used to be a nice 42-44 kgs when she was having 3 regular meals a day.

Since then, the father of her kid stopped all her child support (nice one mate. I hope you burn) and whatever spare money she had went to her daughter. She works but salary is really low.

Anyways with 6 months of maybe one meal a day she says she 37kg.

We have arranged a repeat date in August (she was the horniest girl I ever knew, and I've known a few LOL) and now I'm very worried that she will be tooooo thin. I really don't like that dull ache that permeates the pubic bone when its been pounding on a girls unpadded bone.

The things we guys do for a good time. LOL

Topmanten
07-21-11, 05:10
Where is this g point, near heard about it, pl give some deatisl

RasSpewtin
07-21-11, 05:16
I did not take a Gpoint girl last night, but there you have it.Hey WC, thanks for the tips on G Point. I will be spending a few days in Ermita next week and will make a point of stopping by for a drink and a look-see.

Topmanten, I googled G Point Manila Ermita and quickly found that it is located on Padre Faura very close to Mabini street.

Raz

Topmanten
07-21-11, 05:17
I was there 19th & 20th by 8. 30/9 pm, on 19th got a girl for 2000pcs, asked her she had kids, said no, bring here to my hotel heritage, surpriced to see her stretch stomoach, immeditely returned her back with 200peso taxi money. Then went to edsa, got a spinner fom space gitls 20, top performer, will post photo soon. 4000 plus 1600, 215.

Yesterday again went o mbc got another girl student. RHM. Again claimed to be without kids. 22, came to heritage, took off her top inspected her, found to be with skin diseses, immeditely returned her back with 120 pes taxi money.

So slept alone.

Right now going to chat with a girl who will meet me on Sunday.

TMT

Topmanten
07-21-11, 05:24
Hi raz,

Is it near mbc, walking distance, nay information will be appreceated.

TMT.

QUOTE=RasSpewtin; 1178605]Hey WC, thanks for the tips on G Point. I will be spending a few days in Ermita next week and will make a point of stopping by for a drink and a look-see.

Topmanten, I googled G Point Manila Ermita and quickly found that it is located on Padre Faura very close to Mabini street.

Raz[/QUOTE]

WestCoast1
07-21-11, 05:24
Where is this g point, near heard about it, pl give some deatislIs on Padre Faura. Just off Mabini St. Right next to a 7-11 convenience store. Very much like MBC, but much smaller. Live band 10pm most every night. Same crowd of regular girls. The place seems to have rebounded from a year ago with the re-invention of MBC.

WestCoast1
07-21-11, 05:31
Haircut across from Swagman at 10am. In Robinson's at 10:45, head over to Starbucks for some ice tea. Walking out of Starbucks as I'm walking in is a spinner."Sir, where you going sir?" Age 25, says she's 38 kg and I believe her. We share some tea outside, where she agrees to ST including everything for 800. I offered 600 when she mentioned her cell phone in the pawn shop for that amount. She asked for more for jeep. Sure. 800. Whiner in the room, but performed well. Wanted to leave right away after the fun. I hate that. Told her to watch TV for the remaining time or no pay. That always shuts them up. Gave me her number to txt when she got the phone back. Claims to have many friends who want the same deal. Pics to follow.

Should I bother with my previous contacts or DIA contacts? Or just keep walking into Robinson's. Twice in two days, less than 2 minutes in the mall. Bam!

Member #3439
07-21-11, 05:51
I did not take a Gpoint girl last night, but there you have it. They are willing for sub-1000 now, as did my mall rat. I'm not trying to drive the price down, but its sure nice to know what they will work for. Two of the gals that walked in around 4pm were 9's. Real lookers. They were there at 8 and 11. I didn't see a single girl leave with a guy during my 3 visits (30-40 minutes each) at Gpoint. While there were lots of guys, they weren't biting. If 9's can't get a date in 8 hours of working the room (its always possible they ST'd between my visits, but probably not) , times are hard.That was my experience during one of my visits to MBC a few weeks ago. On a Friday night from maybe 8 until 3 just I sat observing, drinking and bullshitting for lack of anything better to do. Some of the top girls in the place were getting attention, but guys weren't biting and most girls (like 90% or more) didn't even disappear on ST. I talked to various guys and found that not everyone was there with the intent of taking a girl out. Some of the guys are even scared of going with WGs and are just there because someone told them they should check it out. The girls do try very hard to persuade though, it just doesn't work very well.

BTW, talk about hard times. I went into Amazonia one night and felt like I was being ATTACKED. There were about 20 girls in the place and more than half of those swarmed on me. As I walked in the girls were all trying to grab my arms and waist. As I was reaching the table one girl pulled out the stool for me, another started rubbing one arm, another started rubbing the other arm. As I sat down a fourth started rubbing my shoulders and a fifth was trying to rub my neck. Then others were trying to rub my thighs. My beer came and it looked like maybe 3 girls were reaching for the beer to center it on the napkin. Too much of a good thing. The girls weren't very good looking, and even if they had been, it is just sensory overload. I had the one beer and went back to MBC where the girls are better looking and less aggressive. I doubt I ever go back to Amazonia.

I get a kick out of the service mentality of MNL WG's. Remember I posted on a cute MBC girl that I took LT that cleaned my hotel room for some reason? When we got back to the room from MBC she insisted to take my shoes and socks off for me, folded my socks, cleaned my room, bareback full service and took the load, woke up in the morning and did it again. I paid her 1500 and she was not inclined to leave even after having the money. I had to ask her to at 11 am, because I had to catch a flight. I look forward to getting back and finding another girl like that.



Should I bother with my previous contacts or DIA contacts? Or just keep walking into Robinson's. Twice in two days, less than 2 minutes in the mall. Bam!
Burger King is the surefire pickup spot. However gross that sounds...haha. Twice I stopped there to get a drink, once in the day and once at night. Both times I encountered a hottie in less than 5 minutes. They spot you as they come in the entrance. I didn't take any..but definitely one could make a whole mongering trip out of sitting at the Burger King and just taking your pick of early 20's hotties. All smiles and waves. Sometimes groups of 3 or 4 together. :) Things like this make MNL my new favorite mongering town, over Rio, JKT, etc.

Nvslim
07-21-11, 09:29
Maybe I am sick but I love to feel it so tight. And so skinny even if it causes pain. Something really excites me to see the skinny girl taking it? Hahaha. So if you have her number please pm me?She would be about 45 years old now and back then there were no cell phones.

She was a set up by a guy at the hotel on my first AC visit in 1985. Kept her for a week and she broke my AC cherry and acted as tour guide with benefits. She was about 5'0" tall and weighted about 85 lbs. Probably about 22-23 years old and even though not a beauty, looked okay. She cost me about $15. 00 a day plus food, bar hops, and misc. Nice girl, clean, smelled good, spoke fairly good English, knew the town, and kept me out of trouble. Not sure she liked all the sex but never turned me down. She did seem to enjoy the DATY and did not use condoms but back then everything could be cured with a shot. I was banging her 2-3 times a day every day, like the kid in the candy store. No STDs either. ;)

I actually went to sick call when I got back to Okinawa because I hurt so bad. Doctor laughed when I told him how I hurt myself. But he was cool and did not list how I was injured in my medical records.

Next trip, found multiple girls with a bit more padding and never had "that" problem again. Eight trips in 18 months and about 70 girls counting repeats. What a life for a single military man. :)

Slim

Sammon
07-21-11, 15:58
Burger King is the surefire pickup spot. However gross that sounds.haha. Twice I stopped there to get a drink, once in the day and once at night. Both times I encountered a hottie in less than 5 minutes. They spot you as they come in the entrance. I didn't take any.but definitely one could make a whole mongering trip out of sitting at the Burger King and just taking your pick of early 20's hotties. All smiles and waves. Sometimes groups of 3 or 4 together. :) Things like this make MNL my new favorite mongering town, over Rio, JKT, etc.Another popular spot to pick up is 7-11. All 7-11 have some chairs for people to sit and eat. Many girls do that in Manila.

MauiDude
07-21-11, 19:48
She would be about 45 years old now and back then there were no cell phones.

I actually went to sick call when I got back to Okinawa because I hurt so bad. Doctor laughed when I told him how I hurt myself. But he was cool and did not list how I was injured in my medical records.

Next trip, found multiple girls with a bit more padding and never had "that" problem again. Eight trips in 18 months and about 70 girls counting repeats. What a life for a single military man. .

SlimSounds like found memories. I have been hurt a few times and its a good sign that I am not deprived.

Spend one month in USA with nothing.

Get back to pi and then all of a sudden I have all I can want. So I have been hurt many times.

Sometimes so bad it takes about two or three days rest to recover.

I am in angeles now and found a 35 kilo girl dancing. Wow. She is so good.

Fantastic. So happy. She is petite and skinny. And tight. Just the way I like them.

She still looks healthy. So I tell her to lose a few more pounds. Hahahhahahahaah.

I don't expect her to.

About six months ago I did meet a very skinny girl in manila. 33 kilos. She was so hot. But

Then she did not like too much sex. So that is the other problem with super skinny girls.

Is that I may hurt them too much. Also she has child and was expecting big money for her

Inlock
07-21-11, 21:57
Walking out of Starbucks as I'm walking in is a spinner."Sir, where you going sir?" Age 25, says she's 38 kg and I believe her.I must say, I never met a girl in Manila whose second information after her age was her weight. What part of manila she live in, occupation, age of child, number of siblings, what disease her mother suffers from. But NEVER weight! He he he.)

WestCoast1
07-22-11, 02:58
I must say, I never met a girl in Manila whose second information after her age was her weight. What part of manila she live in, occupation, age of child, number of siblings, what disease her mother suffers from. But NEVER weight! He he he.)The weight came later.

WestCoast1
07-23-11, 10:42
Have been in / out of Gpoint the last few nights. Saw a really skinny black girl sitting the bar, wearing a headband. Looked really out of place. No spanish nose. She doesn't seem to chat anyone. She hit the dance floor once, and when she turned it loose, she is the wildest, fastest dancer I've ever seen. So much so, that a hole appeared around her, the other girls didn't want to get hit by the flying arms. Its fun to watch. The next night I said Hi and chatted. She's in from Nigeria (complete with accent) , said she's not a bargirl, and is doing a documentary of some kind. I thought bola bola, maybe she's a bargirl. Last night I go in there with a date to have a drink. The black girl is taking pictures with a high-quality camera, then sits at the bar and is looking thru them. Also writing stuff in a notepad. I ask to see the manager. The manager lady comes over and confirms the black girl is doing some kind of documentary. I asked if the girl was taking pics of girls, or the customers:

Manager: I think all sir.

Me: you think she's going to publish that stuff?

Manager: I don't know. Probably sir.

Me: you want your face published?

Stoney silence. We had ordered two beers for me and my girl, the waitress placed them on the table and handed me the signature sheet. I said to my date, 'lets go' and we got up to leave.

Waitress: hey you order drinks.

Me: thats before I knew you were allowing pics to be published. Sorry hun.

Manager: hey your drinks.

Me: maybe we should tell all the gents tonight you have authorized the media to publicize their pics?

Manager: no!

We walked out. Probably next time I go there I'll have to pay for the drinks, or get banned or something. But I have a strong lack of desire to go there (except maybe to take my own cam and get a shot of the nigerian girl to post here).

Your thoughts?

Devils 1
07-23-11, 13:56
and is doing a documentary of some kind. I thought bola bola, maybe she's a bargirl. Last night I go in there with a date to have a drink. The black girl is taking pictures with a high-quality camera, then sits at the bar and is looking thru them. Also writing stuff in a notepad. I ask to see the manager. The manager lady comes over and confirms the black girl is doing some kind of documentary. I asked if the girl was taking pics of girls, or the customers:WC, you've got to post a pic of her. Won't be long before she moves on to everyones favorite watering hole! I can't believe G-point is stupid enough to let her do this. I bet after you sounded the alarm it didn't take long for them to run her off.

WestCoast1
07-23-11, 17:08
I know we've hit on this before. Two more examples:

1. DIA contact agrees to meet / bang in advance. Cutie on cam. Come meet time in Robinson's Malate (she's coming from QC) , I decide not to head to the mall until she txts. Agree to meet at 1pm for lunch:

Her: can I bring my son?

Me: ah oh boy why.

Her: don't you want to meet him?

Me: the one year old?

Her: yes.

Later:

Her: we are in LRT now on way (1:40pm)

Me: so you're not going to be there by 1pm.

Her: not. By 2pm.

Later:

Me: its 2:30pm.

Her: yes. Should be there by 3 wait me.

Me: I haven't left yet. Let me know when you're there.

Later. 3:50, her: in LRT now.

Me: you said that several hours ago.

Her: 4:25pm: we are here now me my son my sis.

Me: your sis?

Her: yes she go everywhere with me.

So, like an idiot, I meet them, and buy them lunch. Send them on their way.

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The human energizer comes over last night. I've written about her before, late 30's, attractive, brings me girls. Brought an extra girl for a 3-some. Lovely time. Today she's txting she has another girl. We meet at a disco, me, her, and the gal she brought last night. We make our way back to my place, and she txts another gal to come."We have to meet her jeep. Its not far." So we go walking Malate, what seems forever, at 10pm. Finally I say lets get a taxi to wherever we are going."Its ok. Its not far. Maybe 20 more minutes to walk." OMG. We get a taxi back to my place, I tell her to tell the girl to meet us there."OK. She be here in 30 minutes." 1 hour later we are chatting and I ask where the new gal is. They check their phones."She be here in one more hour." OMG. As I'm dozing off, she gets a txt, saying the new gal doesn't get off work until 1am. OMG. I tell them to go home, and walk them out. They are angry with me for not being more understanding.

I'm off to MBC.

WestCoast1
07-23-11, 23:34
WC, you've got to post a pic of her. Won't be long before she moves on to everyones favorite watering hole! I can't believe G-point is stupid enough to let her do this. I bet after you sounded the alarm it didn't take long for them to run her off.Just the opposite. I went back last night to pay up the tab for the two beers. The manager said not to worry about as I had not signed for them. I paid anyway. That was 8pm. There she was (the documentary girl) , sitting by herself, taking notes, sitting with a customer. One of the girls sat with me and I asked her about the nigerian."I don't know her. Maybe one week in the bar. Never she go with customer. I don't like her." She is there in full view and knowlege of the management (GPoint controls which unescorted girls can go in the bar).

WestCoast1
07-24-11, 00:13
After not getting the energizer bunny's girl, I go to MBC. See several old favs, have a drink with one. Good times. Should have taken any of them, but you know, something new can be nice. A fat chick grabs my arm and chats me up, showing me her friend (not bad). We all chat for 30 minutes, the girl suggests I take her, and can her fat friend come along for free (but not perform). I tell her I will need naughty pics and she agrees. She agrees to 1000 for 2 hours (no argument, I suggested it and she smiled and said OK). Off the 3 of us go to my place. We sit and chat a bit. The fattie grabs my cam and starts shooting pics of her pretty friend all over the suite. Then the fat one says,"She want 2000 for it. Not 1000." Put your shoes on, girls, time to go. They were OK with that.

We get to the street and the girls start to walk off. A taxi rolls up from the opposite direction and I get in and ride back to MBC. Quickly there get my shirt tugged on, and the girl agrees to the exact same thing. 2 hours / 1000. As we are walking out, the fatty / pretty are walking back in:

Fattie: f*ck you. You no take us taxi. We have to walking here 15 minute.

Me: ya, you don't deserve, after raising the price.

Some angry tagalog ensued between the two girls and my new girl. I hop in the taxi with the new girl and I ask what they had said."I tell that chubby girl walking is good for her shape. Hahaha!"

Regardless some of the high initial asking price (one girl said 3000) , if you say 2 hours only in the room, or 90 minutes, they are fine with 1000. I don't recall it being this low in years. I heard repeatedly girls specifically from Cavite the last few nights not wanting LT, ST only so they can get home as early as possible."Maybe better 1000 now I'm home before midnight my son. Wait later maybe I get no customer." One in the hand beats two in the Bush. GPoint girls were also OK to 1000 for 2 hours only. One girl was willing to work for one of my old phones.

Lostwodpun
07-24-11, 02:04
Should I bother with my previous contacts or DIA contacts? Or just keep walking into Robinson's. Twice in two days, less than 2 minutes in the mall. Bam!Glad you posted that. I've not been over there in a while. Going to give it a shot on my way back through.

Topmanten
07-24-11, 04:51
Edsa bullet and arrow girl, top performer

Topmanten
07-24-11, 04:53
Edsa girld from bullet and arrow, top performer

Soapy Smith
07-24-11, 07:04
I heard repeatedly girls specifically from Cavite the last few nights not wanting LT, ST only so they can get home as early as possible."Maybe better 1000 now I'm home before midnight my son. Wait later maybe I get no customer." One in the hand beats two in the Bush.I always prefer getting close to the Bush; doing it in the hand just can't compare.

A few years ago I plucked a woman from Cavite out of LA Cafe several times. She would only do ST and wanted to be leaving the room no later than about 11:10 or so. She too had to get home to a son in Cavite. She told me she needed to catch a bus at the corner of Pedro Gil and Taft that leaves at 11:30 pm. If she missed it, the next one didn't leave until 6 or 7 in the morning. I was usually in one of the monger hotels in Ermita, so don't know if she caught a jeepney down Pedro Gil or just hoofed it as fast as possible. I suspect there are buses to Cavite that leave during the night from Roxas Blvd. In Paranaque, but that means having to figure out a jeepney route that goes from Ermita to Paranaque during the night. I'd bet your Cavite girls are up against a similar "last bus of the night to Cavite" deadline. Getting home by midnight may be related to paying a neighbor to babysit the son and not wanting to pay for all night.

Key Master
07-24-11, 07:45
I always prefer getting close to the Bush; doing it in the hand just can't compare.

A few years ago I plucked a woman from Cavite out of LA Cafe several times. She would only do ST and wanted to be leaving the room no later than about 11:10 or so. She too had to get home to a son in Cavite. She told me she needed to catch a bus at the corner of Pedro Gil and Taft that leaves at 11:30 pm. If she missed it, the next one didn't leave until 6 or 7 in the morning. I was usually in one of the monger hotels in Ermita, so don't know if she caught a jeepney down Pedro Gil or just hoofed it as fast as possible. I suspect there are buses to Cavite that leave during the night from Roxas Blvd. In Paranaque, but that means having to figure out a jeepney route that goes from Ermita to Paranaque during the night. I'd bet your Cavite girls are up against a similar "last bus of the night to Cavite" deadline. Getting home by midnight may be related to paying a neighbor to babysit the son and not wanting to pay for all night.Sounds about right. It's probably these vans that leave at scheduled times and stop until said time. I know one woman who doesn't care if you only ask for a short time, will try to stay with that person for the night if he's cool because she can't go home until the morning as it is. A real sweet woman.