Manila

[Member #3439]

GPoint girls were also OK to 1000 for 2 hours only. One girl was willing to work for one of my old phones.I like your practice of trading old goods or cheaply imported items for sex. Is anyone else out there doing this? This phone is probably worth nothing to you, so the session is essentially 'free. ' Reminds me of a gentleman who regaled me with tales of mongering as a GI in the time immediately after V-J day. In those days, US ration kits came with a Hershey's chocolate bar. Filipina and Japanese girls would stay all day, cook, clean, fuck as much as requested to get that candy bar because it had value on the local market if you knew where to sell it and took the time to do so. Chocolate bars were better than currency because there was a black market for chocolate. Then I came to understand the phrase 'good old days! '

Unfortunately in those good old days the Asian girls were tearing guys up en masse with the clap and herp and this necessitated something called the short arm inspection. Apparently the infamous Japanese Unit 731 bio-warfare group was infecting all the Pinay and J-working girls with manstopping STDs before GIs got there..haha? I do plenty of the old skool BBFS there in Asia and no girl has gotten me sick, so maybe today is the good new days and those were the bad old days? The moral of the story is that some things never change and we should try to barter instead of pay if possible, for greatest value to us. Then it was chocolate candy bars, today it is candy bar phones. :)

[Undercoverh]

Just want to get feedback from the gents here regarding my plan. Well, I have done the PFP thing for a long time in Asia. Sex with lots of girls from the Philippines, I really do love those LBFM, but all have been sex for money. For the past several months, I have been online meeting lots of girls from PI who are 18, 19, and 20. A few I really like, and they claim to love me. Ya, we will see. One girl was given up by her parents when she as 14 and sent to work as a maid in Manila. She is now 18 and really sweet and seems like a nice girl. We have done the skype thing and tons of emails. She wants to be my one and only girl and she stated that she only wants me as her man.

During my trip next month to Manila, I will spend 4 days with her. She claims she will ask for time off to spend everyday with me including the nights. She has told her employer that she is going back home to visit sick family, but she will be with me. Also, she cliams to have been kissed by her ex-boyfriend. But she claims never to had sex. I have made it clear to her, in an nice, sweet, and loving way, that if she spends the night with me, we will be making love. At first, she said she was not sure about that and she could not promise me that. I told her, no problem, she can visit me during the day and go home at night (then I would proceed to Air Force One and Flight 168!!). No way in hell am I going to lay in bed with her and not do her. However, after many emails and skypes where we told each other how much we loved each other, she has no agreed to stay with me during the night and "prove her love to me" I could not get her to sign a contract stating she would have sex with me, but I am sure this is what she means.

If she is for real, she is a virign (no way of knowing for sure), and she has a tight wet pussy, I am thinking about.....well, supporting her and keeping her just for myself. I know, this is crazy, but I am really getting tired of paying for sex and having a fake GFE. I want to have a young loving girl that really wants to be with me, well, becasue she really likes me. Also, I always use a condom with hookers. But, I am getting tired of using condoms. If I keep this 18 yo for myself and support her, I will NOT us a condom with her!!! During the time I have know her, she has never asked for money or a cell phone. She supports herself by working as a maid and also sends money to her lazy ass parents.

I travel to PI every 3 to 4 months, so I could support her in an apartment she and I would have together. Plus, misc money for food, cell phone, etc. As far as cost, it will cost me about P12, 000 per month. Let me say that I spend that much in just a few days when I pay for sex here in Hong Kong and Macau. Also, it is not a lot of money for me. In fact, it is really nothing. I am not rich, but I do ok for myself.

I would like to know if any other guys have supported a girl from the PI and had an aparment with her? How did it turn out? What are the pros can cons? I should also state I am a lot older than she is and I have a nag of a wife in China. My advice, never marry a Chinese woman, but that is another story for another time. I need a second play wife to have fun with and feel love again. Yap, I know I could bang 1, 000s of woment in PI for a lot cheaper, but I have been there and done that. The last time I was with a hooker, she was sweet and nice. However, once the time was up, she was a different person and she was out the door so fast. I felt empty and lonely. I guess I have had tons of sex that I pay for. Now, I guess, as I get older, I want something more. When I was young, I never thought like this....with age, comes change.

[Slippery]

Just want to get feedback from the gents here regarding my plan. Well, I have done the PFP thing for a long time in Asia. Sex with lots of girls from the Philippines, I really do love those LBFM, but all have been sex for money. For the past several months, I have been online meeting lots of girls from PI who are 18, 19, and 20. A few I really like, and they claim to love me. Ya, we will see. One girl was given up by her parents when she as 14 and sent to work as a maid in Manila. She is now 18 and really sweet and seems like a nice girl. We have done the skype thing and tons of emails. She wants to be my one and only girl and she stated that she only wants me as her man.

During my trip next month to Manila, I will spend 4 days with her. She claims she will ask for time off to spend everyday with me including the nights. She has told her employer that she is going back home to visit sick family, but she will be with me. Also, she cliams to have been kissed by her ex-boyfriend. But she claims never to had sex. I have made it clear to her, in an nice, sweet, and loving way, that if she spends the night with me, we will be making love. At first, she said she was not sure about that and she could not promise me that. I told her, no problem, she can visit me during the day and go home at night (then I would proceed to Air Force One and Flight 168!). No way in hell am I going to lay in bed with her and not do her. However, after many emails and skypes where we told each other how much we loved each other, she has no agreed to stay with me during the night and "prove her love to me" I could not get her to sign a contract stating she would have sex with me, but I am sure this is what she means.

If she is for real, she is a virign (no way of knowing for sure) , and she has a tight wet pussy, I am thinking about. Well, supporting her and keeping her just for myself. I know, this is crazy, but I am really getting tired of paying for sex and having a fake GFE. I want to have a young loving girl that really wants to be with me, well, becasue she really likes me. Also, I always use a condom with hookers. But, I am getting tired of using condoms. If I keep this 18 yo for myself and support her, I will NOT us a condom with her! During the time I have know her, she has never asked for money or a cell phone. She supports herself by working as a maid and also sends money to her lazy ass parents.

I travel to PI every 3 to 4 months, so I could support her in an apartment she and I would have together. Plus, misc money for food, cell phone, etc. As far as cost, it will cost me about P12, 000 per month. Let me say that I spend that much in just a few days when I pay for sex here in Hong Kong and Macau. Also, it is not a lot of money for me. In fact, it is really nothing. I am not rich, but I do ok for myself.

I would like to know if any other guys have supported a girl from the PI and had an aparment with her? How did it turn out? What are the pros can cons? I should also state I am a lot older than she is and I have a nag of a wife in China. My advice, never marry a Chinese woman, but that is another story for another time. I need a second play wife to have fun with and feel love again. Yap, I know I could bang 1, 000s of woment in PI for a lot cheaper, but I have been there and done that. The last time I was with a hooker, she was sweet and nice. However, once the time was up, she was a different person and she was out the door so fast. I felt empty and lonely. I guess I have had tons of sex that I pay for. Now, I guess, as I get older, I want something more. When I was young, I never thought like this. With age, comes change.12, 000 a month will turn into 40, 000 a month as soon as her family learns that they have a kano ATM cash cow. Get rid of your wife no matter what it costs and you will be a much happier man. Then re-evaluate the situation. That's exactly what I did and I am a much happier man for doing so.

[Amavida]

Just want to get feedback from the gents here regarding my plan. Well, I have done the PFP thing for a long time in Asia. Sex with lots of girls from the Philippines, I really do love those LBFM, but all have been sex for money. For the past several months, I have been online meeting lots of girls from PI who are 18, 19, and 20. A few I really like, and they claim to love me. Ya, we will see. One girl was given up by her parents when she as 14 and sent to work as a maid in Manila. She is now 18 and really sweet and seems like a nice girl. We have done the skype thing and tons of emails. She wants to be my one and only girl and she stated that she only wants me as her man.

During my trip next month to Manila, I will spend 4 days with her. She claims she will ask for time off to spend everyday with me including the nights. She has told her employer that she is going back home to visit sick family, but she will be with me. Also, she cliams to have been kissed by her ex-boyfriend. But she claims never to had sex. I have made it clear to her, in an nice, sweet, and loving way, that if she spends the night with me, we will be making love. At first, she said she was not sure about that and she could not promise me that. I told her, no problem, she can visit me during the day and go home at night (then I would proceed to Air Force One and Flight 168!). No way in hell am I going to lay in bed with her and not do her. However, after many emails and skypes where we told each other how much we loved each other, she has no agreed to stay with me during the night and "prove her love to me" I could not get her to sign a contract stating she would have sex with me, but I am sure this is what she means.

If she is for real, she is a virign (no way of knowing for sure) , and she has a tight wet pussy, I am thinking about. Well, supporting her and keeping her just for myself. I know, this is crazy, but I am really getting tired of paying for sex and having a fake GFE. I want to have a young loving girl that really wants to be with me, well, becasue she really likes me. Also, I always use a condom with hookers. But, I am getting tired of using condoms. If I keep this 18 yo for myself and support her, I will NOT us a condom with her! During the time I have know her, she has never asked for money or a cell phone. She supports herself by working as a maid and also sends money to her lazy ass parents.

I travel to PI every 3 to 4 months, so I could support her in an apartment she and I would have together. Plus, misc money for food, cell phone, etc. As far as cost, it will cost me about P12, 000 per month. Let me say that I spend that much in just a few days when I pay for sex here in Hong Kong and Macau. Also, it is not a lot of money for me. In fact, it is really nothing. I am not rich, but I do ok for myself.

I would like to know if any other guys have supported a girl from the PI and had an aparment with her? How did it turn out? What are the pros can cons? I should also state I am a lot older than she is and I have a nag of a wife in China. My advice, never marry a Chinese woman, but that is another story for another time. I need a second play wife to have fun with and feel love again. Yap, I know I could bang 1, 000s of woment in PI for a lot cheaper, but I have been there and done that. The last time I was with a hooker, she was sweet and nice. However, once the time was up, she was a different person and she was out the door so fast. I felt empty and lonely. I guess I have had tons of sex that I pay for. Now, I guess, as I get older, I want something more. When I was young, I never thought like this. With age, comes change.Manila is the playboy capital of the RP.

Most guys cannot truly afford to maintain a GF in Manila, it is way more expensive than you realise.

Take a cold shower, look in the mirror and repeat after me 'there is absolutely nothing special about this little strumpet'.

There is no way in hell a beautiful young woman in RP is truly going to have genuine feelings for you, an old kano, no matter what they say or wish to think.

Manila and th RP is filled to bursting with millions of cute 18 year olds ready to step into her shoes, give you the ride of your life and ultimately burn you.

If you want semi / non P4P it is easily had, you do NOT need to get into a financially draining supported GF situation.

Do NOT expect any fidelity or loyalty from them no matter what you may wish to think.

You are an old kano with money & she is an opportunist amongst millions more.

I've lost good friends in the RP who blew there brains out after 'falling in love' with these little leeches.

Come to RP, enjoy the amenities and leave.

Next time you come have fun with more, hell even look this one up but don't attach yourself to any of them financially.

Bad bad idea.

BTW divorce the Chinese *****.

You really going to give up the good life and freedom of mongering and suddenly settle down and be a monogamous good boy with an 18 year old Pinay who is totally fake in her feelings for you beyond money?

Come on man.

AV

[Shamuc]

Just want to get feedback .with age, comes change.Hi Undercoverh,

I live with my phil. Gf in Shanghai. She is "just" 8 years younger than me. And it may sound stupid: I am sure about her love.

Why it has to be such a young (and unexperienced) girl / child? You will look silly besides her, she will learn to play you. And as said before. The costs will raise much much higher.

It took me quite a time to make the family (which even has quite a money because of a good running family business) aware that I am NOT the cash cow. But my gf fixed that for us.

Again: wouldn't you feel ridiculous beside a girl which might be your granddaughter? Obviously she will be with you for money! And only for money.

Concerning the Chinese wife: I did many faults in my life but this one would have never happened to me. So far I did not meet 1 Chinese who knows what love can be; it is all about duties and family and responsibilities. And for a sense of humour other than slapstick you will search in vain.

So as said before: fire the wife and search the right one in the Phils, one that really fits to you!

Cheers, Shamuc

[Amavida]

Sorry I tried to edit my previous post but the board software has apparently locked me out.


Just want to get feedback from the gents here regarding my plan. Well, I have done the PFP thing for a long time in Asia. Sex with lots of girls from the Philippines, I really do love those LBFM, but all have been sex for money.They ALL are, from the dollars per hour ho to the monthly retainer girl through to the wifey with the ring, pussy cost you no matter what.


For the past several months, I have been online meeting lots of girls from PI who are 18, 19, and 20. A few I really like, and they claim to love me. Ya, we will see. One girl was given up by her parents when she as 14 and sent to work as a maid in Manila. She is now 18 and really sweet and seems like a nice girl. We have done the skype thing and tons of emails. She wants to be my one and only girl and she stated that she only wants me as her man.They ALL do dude, its an economic imperative. They all have a heart rending story to tell to get you feeling sympathy for them. Please step away from this before its too late dude.


I would like to know if any other guys have supported a girl from the PI and had an apartment with her? How did it turn out? What are the pros can cons?Lived in the Phils 6 years, been there and done it all, got all the T-Shirts hehehe. There are no Pro's to this idea of yours. Paying her a monthly retainer DOES NOT buy you sexual exclusivity, loyalty, or god forbid 'love'. The cons are obvious, financial drain with no real upside.


I should also state I am a lot older than she is and I have a nag of a wife in China. My advice, never marry a Chinese woman, but that is another story for another time. I need a second play wife to have fun with and feel love again. Yap, I know I could bang 1, 000s of woment in PI for a lot cheaper, but I have been there and done that. The last time I was with a hooker, she was sweet and nice. However, once the time was up, she was a different person and she was out the door so fast. I felt empty and lonely. I guess I have had tons of sex that I pay for. Now, I guess, as I get older, I want something more. When I was young, I never thought like this.with age, comes change.Dude, news flash, she is just as fake as the $/hr ho. When you get back on the plane to leave she will be on the phone / email / I'm to all her other guys, both foreigner and local bucks. Don't believe me? Ok learn the hard way but don't say we didn't warn you. These chicks have perfected the art of the good girl persona. Its all bullshit. A good girl virgin 18 year old does not rent her ass out to an old kano for a monthly rate.

I can tell by the tone of your post that you are vulnerable and are aleady drinking the koolaid, its nothing to be ashamed of, we all toyed with this idea at some stage.

Thank god you asked here. There is a very small hope that you may one guy to actually listen.

AV

[Butter69]

Just want to get feedback from the gents here regarding my plan.Hi undercover,

What you could try is to get a friend to try and chat her up online, visiting the same website that you both met from. Then see what responses that he gets from her. Maybe she will give him the same loving talk and promise to stay with him too.

I also have tried to love a girl. She was in Thailand. She always claimed to be single.

Unfortunately I found out about her boyfriend, about 4 months later. I spent a lot of time and money trying to make it work between us. It was all for nothing.

Plus, the age gap between you both also adds doubts to it working out.

[Member #4152]

Hey guys,

I'm going to be in Manila late August I was wondering if you guys could tell me what area is the best to monger at? Also if you could recommend a good hotel that allows girls to come back to the room with you? I've tried to read several posts but there are just too many and with Manila being a pretty big city and all, I could use your help.

FYI. I've been to Angeles before and on that trip, I stayed in Manila one night just to rest before leaving. Stayed at ABC Hotel in Angeles and the Renaissance in Makati. I wish I mongered that one night I stayed in Manila but I was so drained and tired from Angeles, I crashed really early LOL.

Thanks,

Chimmmmy!

[D Cups]

I think AV is right. If you love her and can't live without her, cut the cord in the USA and make her your new wife with all the rights and responsibilities thereof. A retainer idea is only good if you are the retainee. Learned that from being a management consultant and working with lawyers.


Sorry I tried to edit my previous post but the board software has apparently locked me out.

They ALL are, from the dollars per hour ho to the monthly retainer girl through to the wifey with the ring, pussy cost you no matter what.

They ALL do dude, its an economic imperative. They all have a heart rending story to tell to get you feeling sympathy for them. Please step away from this before its too late dude.

Lived in the Phils 6 years, been there and done it all, got all the T-Shirts hehehe. There are no Pro's to this idea of yours. Paying her a monthly retainer DOES NOT buy you sexual exclusivity, loyalty, or god forbid 'love'. The cons are obvious, financial drain with no real upside.

Dude, news flash, she is just as fake as the $/hr ho. When you get back on the plane to leave she will be on the phone / email / I'm to all her other guys, both foreigner and local bucks. Don't believe me? Ok learn the hard way but don't say we didn't warn you. These chicks have perfected the art of the good girl persona. Its all bullshit. A good girl virgin 18 year old does not rent her ass out to an old kano for a monthly rate.

I can tell by the tone of your post that you are vulnerable and are aleady drinking the koolaid, its nothing to be ashamed of, we all toyed with this idea at some stage.

Thank god you asked here. There is a very small hope that you may one guy to actually listen.

AV

[GoodEnough]

@Undercoverh:

I had written a fairly lengthy post agreeing with everything Amavida and D Cups said, but it all inexplicably disappeared into the cyber void, and I don't have the energy to re-create it. Succinctly, Amavida has given you the best, most acute advice you're ever likely to get on the subject, and you should listen to it before your illusions are shattered, along with your wallet and your self esteem. I don't mean to be cruel, but the fact that you've fallen in love with an uneducated 18 year old virgin whom you've never meet doesn't sound like you're using any critical analytical capabilities. It may be time for you to detach yourself a little bit and look as this from a more disinterested perspective if that's possible.

Ask yourself for example, once the newness of passion wanes, and your protective instincts have been satiated, exactly how you're going to pass the time with her between sessions in bed. What will you talk about? Where will you go that gives you both pleasure? Where's the commonality of interests? If / when she stops her work, are you going to assume responsibility for the support of her family as well?

Whatever gave you the idea that you can live anywhere close to a standard you would find acceptable for Php12, 000 a month in Manila? Do you really want to cohabit in a one room shack with no utilities and eat fish and rice twice a day? I doubt it.

GE

[Red Kilt]

I stayed in Manila one night just to rest before leaving. Stayed at ABC Hotel in Angeles and the Renaissance in Makati. I wish I mongered that one night I stayed in Manila but I was so drained and tired from Angeles,You should have looked further in the Manila Hotels thread Chimmy.

Bit lazy I think.

However, because you asked nicely, I suggest you stay at the Renaissance again (now called "New World Hotel").

RTFF for monger sites. Too many to even start listing them. The whole Manila thread is loaded with them.

[Sammon]

Just want to get feedback from the gents here regarding my plan. I would like to know if any other guys have supported a girl from the PI and had an aparment with her? How did it turn out? What are the pros can cons? .I have supported few girls in Phi and China. Never got married to any. All were young 18, 19 year olds. Three of them were virgins in Phi. Chinese girl was 19 but no virgin but prettiest of them all.

In China I had a apartment and the girl took care of it. She did work in the mall. Never could tell what she did when I was not around. But very GFE and always thrifty with money. She showed me the best places to eat and buy things cheap. Fizzled out after 4 years because of my mongering habit and frequent trips to Thailand and Phi.

In Phi I supported girls through college and glad to say few got a nice job and good salary. One even went to Dubai with a nice job. Once again I do not know what they did when I am not there. All of these are.

Province girls who lived with their family. I never rented a apartment. When I am there they will stay and travel with me. Nowadays I do not support anybody although I still have " girlfriends " Only give them money and gifts when I visit them.

My advice to you is to have the right mindset. Relationshipwise do not loose sleep and become a mental wreck worrying what the girl is doing. Moneywise do it only if you can afford it and consider as a donation. As long as she takes care of you during your visit it should be fine.

I always figured that if I went to the bars and barfined girls it would have cost more money overall with no guarantee of good time. With a good GFE you know you are going to be happy.

I do not know the laws about renting apt in Manila and somebody else living there. Is it going to be a problem getting rid of her?

Just work out all issues before you committ.

[MauiDude]

I have supported few girls in Phi and China. Never got married to any. All were young 18, 19 year olds. Three of them were virgins in Phi. Chinese girl was 19 but no virgin but prettiest of them all.

In China I had a apartment and the girl took care of it. She did work in the mall. Never could tell what she did when I was not around. But very GFE and always thrifty with money. She showed me the best places to eat and buy things cheap. Fizzled out after 4 years because of my mongering habit and frequent trips to Thailand and Phi.

In Phi I supported girls through college and glad to say few got a nice job and good salary. One even went to Dubai with a nice job. Once again I do not know what they did when I am not there. All of these are.

Province girls who lived with their family. I never rented a apartment. When I am there they will stay and travel with me. Nowadays I do not support anybody although I still have " girlfriends " Only give them money and gifts when I visit them.

My advice to you is to have the right mindset. Relationshipwise do not loose sleep and become a mental wreck worrying what the girl is doing. Moneywise do it only if you can afford it and consider as a donation. As long as she takes care of you during your visit it should be fine.

I always figured that if I went to the bars and barfined girls it would have cost more money overall with no guarantee of good time. With a good GFE you know you are going to be happy.

I do not know the laws about renting apt in Manila and somebody else living there. Is it going to be a problem getting rid of her?

Just work out all issues before you committ.To me that says a lot about the situation and good advice. Great report.

I have several girls that I support.

Yes its a matter of choice to me and I stay with in my budget.

I don't worry if they have other boyfriends etc. And actually I expect they do so I don't headtrip.

What matters most. Is can I afford it. And what expierence do I have when they are with me.

And how much bs and lies they tell me.

Now I have expierenced with more bar girls but a few province girls.

The bar girls have a tendency to have more boyfriends but leave any girl alone and she will have lots of opportunities.

I would not put anything in my name and be able to walk away.

And I look at it like a gift.

Now I am having girls I give like 5000 pesos a month to. They can stay with their parents or rent a room. Up to them.

But they better be available for me when I am there unless there is a good verifiable reason not to be.

I love bar girls but also want stability and GFE and no drama and no complications with a girl.

So if I find one then I keep her on retainer. I give her more money when I am with her.

The biggest problem is how do you handle her requests for more money.

As most of the requests may involve bs and lies?

If they ask for too much more money I cut them off.

Or just don't answer.

And see what they do.

If I can verify something then I may give more depending on how much time I may spend with her and how my expierence is when with her.

It can get a little complicated.

But if you can afford it and you really like the girl then why not.

Bar girls are still hit and miss and then you have more risks of the unknown and infections etc.

Not that a steady girl will be perfect but its how you feel and what you really want. Just don't ignore the warning signs.

Lots more can be said but if you tend to be jealous and only have a little time with the girl maybe its not for you?

]if you enjoy the girl much more then the other girls you meet and have some kind of feelings for her and you watch the signs.

Then why not if you can afford it.

For a one hour bad expierence in the USA I can support a girl or two for a month. So I do. But then right now I am ten months a year in Philippines

[Member #4152]

You should have looked further in the Manila Hotels thread Chimmy.

Bit lazy I think.

However, because you asked nicely, I suggest you stay at the Renaissance again (now called "New World Hotel").

RTFF for monger sites. Too many to even start listing them. The whole Manila thread is loaded with them.I actually did look at the hotels, Makati and that Agoda site. LOL I just don't want to be too far from the action. Like ABC was just right in Angeles. It was a nice hotel with the action not too far away.

[Orange Crust]

While I understand your wishful and dream filled thinking. Please give your head a shake. There's a reason why most landlords won't want to risk renting to an 18 yo without a parental guarantee here in the US and without some solid income trackrecord. She's not ready for her own western style apartment (you will likely want some ammenities like air con, a bedroom etc) instead of some basic flop house.

I would guess once you depart, you will have her parents, sisters, cousins etc moving in just so they can come find a job without caring about the cost of living there. Man, the apartment can be stripped one item at a time and you won't even know it till you get back. Hate to see you liable for the lost goods.

If I were in your shoes, send cash to support her finding her own place. Don't do anything in your name so you just limit your risk to money sent. I honestly feel off encouraging someone to send money to but the fact that you never met her and you've already fallen maddly in love means your at risk of making some pretty serious decisions about your life and may not be the most rational.

Best wishes.


Just want to get feedback from the gents here regarding my plan. Well, I have done the PFP thing for a long time in Asia. Sex with lots of girls from the Philippines, I really do love those LBFM, but all have been sex for money. For the past several months, I have been online meeting lots of girls from PI who are 18, 19, and 20. A few I really like, and they claim to love me. Ya, we will see. One girl was given up by her parents when she as 14 and sent to work as a maid in Manila. She is now 18 and really sweet and seems like a nice girl. We have done the skype thing and tons of emails. She wants to be my one and only girl and she stated that she only wants me as her man.

During my trip next month to Manila, I will spend 4 days with her. She claims she will ask for time off to spend everyday with me including the nights. She has told her employer that she is going back home to visit sick family, but she will be with me. Also, she cliams to have been kissed by her ex-boyfriend. But she claims never to had sex. I have made it clear to her, in an nice, sweet, and loving way, that if she spends the night with me, we will be making love. At first, she said she was not sure about that and she could not promise me that. I told her, no problem, she can visit me during the day and go home at night (then I would proceed to Air Force One and Flight 168!). No way in hell am I going to lay in bed with her and not do her. However, after many emails and skypes where we told each other how much we loved each other, she has no agreed to stay with me during the night and "prove her love to me" I could not get her to sign a contract stating she would have sex with me, but I am sure this is what she means.

If she is for real, she is a virign (no way of knowing for sure) , and she has a tight wet pussy, I am thinking about. Well, supporting her and keeping her just for myself. I know, this is crazy, but I am really getting tired of paying for sex and having a fake GFE. I want to have a young loving girl that really wants to be with me, well, becasue she really likes me. Also, I always use a condom with hookers. But, I am getting tired of using condoms. If I keep this 18 yo for myself and support her, I will NOT us a condom with her! During the time I have know her, she has never asked for money or a cell phone. She supports herself by working as a maid and also sends money to her lazy ass parents.

I travel to PI every 3 to 4 months, so I could support her in an apartment she and I would have together. Plus, misc money for food, cell phone, etc. As far as cost, it will cost me about P12, 000 per month. Let me say that I spend that much in just a few days when I pay for sex here in Hong Kong and Macau. Also, it is not a lot of money for me. In fact, it is really nothing. I am not rich, but I do ok for myself.

I would like to know if any other guys have supported a girl from the PI and had an aparment with her? How did it turn out? What are the pros can cons? I should also state I am a lot older than she is and I have a nag of a wife in China. My advice, never marry a Chinese woman, but that is another story for another time. I need a second play wife to have fun with and feel love again. Yap, I know I could bang 1, 000s of woment in PI for a lot cheaper, but I have been there and done that. The last time I was with a hooker, she was sweet and nice. However, once the time was up, she was a different person and she was out the door so fast. I felt empty and lonely. I guess I have had tons of sex that I pay for. Now, I guess, as I get older, I want something more. When I was young, I never thought like this. With age, comes change.

[Soapy Smith]

I actually did look at the hotels, Makati and that Agoda site. LOL I just don't want to be too far from the action. Like ABC was just right in Angeles. It was a nice hotel with the action not too far away.Http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2505-Manila-Hotels&p=1174925&viewfull=1#post1174925

[Mc Don]

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[W20415]

I'll be making my second trip to Phils in early Sept. Last time was 3 years ago. I stayed in Makati near Burgos and it was wonderful. I will be in Phils for about a week. I was thinking about doing half Manila and half Cebu. My question is, Is it worth it to spend the money and take the time to fly to Cebu? How does Cebu compare to Manila?

I have met a lot of hot girls on dating sites from Cebu and it seems inviting. On the other hand I don't think I could go wrong spending the whole week in Manila. Looking for advise from people who are familiar with both.

[MauiDude]

I'll be making my second trip to Phils in early Sept. Last time was 3 years ago. I stayed in Makati near Burgos and it was wonderful. I will be in Phils for about a week. I was thinking about doing half Manila and half Cebu. My question is, Is it worth it to spend the money and take the time to fly to Cebu? How does Cebu compare to Manila?

I have met a lot of hot girls on dating sites from Cebu and it seems inviting. On the other hand I don't think I could go wrong spending the whole week in Manila. Looking for advise from people who are familiar with both.Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I dislike manila. But I like cebu angeles subic and puerto galera.

Hahahhaa. To me manila way too expensive and too crowded. One big ghetto.

Now if I had money to burn and did not have the numerous girlfriends to support I may go bar hop more in p burgos.

I have met some really nice and hot girls there but my money and my mind does better in other places.

If you want some beach then you go to cebu. Bohol puerto galera, subic. Batangas.

In cebu you can get lots of action at the clubs and the discos and the dating sites.

In manila you got one big city but theaters. Restaurants even a nice aquarium.

Taal lake for a day trip?

Some depends on weather but it really depends on what you like. You want to explore and see more? Ocean? Or just have some hot.

Fun with girls? Variety is the spice of life to me. But up to you?

[Sugoi]

Although I mostly agree with GE and AV, I do think it is possible for the girl to at least initially truly love an older man. I believe that her feelings are probably sincere at this point.

However, if you put her up in an apartment and she really does live on her own, what will she do during the day? She will no longer have a job to keep her busy so if you met online, she'll probably spend her days at the internet cafes online and will most likely start chatting with other guys and meet others.

Even though her initial feelings may have been legit, there is just too much likelihood that she will do just as AV and GE said.

Someone else brought up the point about her family and that shouldn't be taken lightly. I had a regular bar girl I saw about 7 or 8 years ago and she wanted to go back to school. She had been coming to my hotel after work almost daily and I never gave her money so I think I gave her about 10, 000 pesos (back when it was 56 pesos / dollar) for school.

When I next spoke to her, she had given it to her older brother because he needed the money to finish his school and she was "obligated" to give it to him rather than her starting school because her parents forced her to do it. It wouldn't have been appropriate for her to go to school and have her brother drop out so even though the money was given to her to go to school, she "had to" give it to her brother.

In other words, although intentions and feelings may be true now, they are very likely to be changed in the near future.

[FunnyGoLucky]

I had a good LBFM to share name blanca rate 2500 shorttime 3 hours good BBBJ and big boobs.

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[Undercoverh]

While I understand your wishful and dream filled thinking. Please give your head a shake. There's a reason why most landlords won't want to risk renting to an 18 yo without a parental guarantee here in the US and without some solid income trackrecord. She's not ready for her own western style apartment (you will likely want some ammenities like air con, a bedroom etc) instead of some basic flop house.

I would guess once you depart, you will have her parents, sisters, cousins etc moving in just so they can come find a job without caring about the cost of living there. Man, the apartment can be stripped one item at a time and you won't even know it till you get back. Hate to see you liable for the lost goods.

If I were in your shoes, send cash to support her finding her own place. Don't do anything in your name so you just limit your risk to money sent. I honestly feel off encouraging someone to send money to but the fact that you never met her and you've already fallen maddly in love means your at risk of making some pretty serious decisions about your life and may not be the most rational.

Best wishes.Thanks for the advice! Yap, I am thinking with my heart and not being logical.

[Undercoverh]

I have supported few girls in Phi and China. Never got married to any. All were young 18, 19 year olds. Three of them were virgins in Phi. Chinese girl was 19 but no virgin but prettiest of them all.

In China I had a apartment and the girl took care of it. She did work in the mall. Never could tell what she did when I was not around. But very GFE and always thrifty with money. She showed me the best places to eat and buy things cheap. Fizzled out after 4 years because of my mongering habit and frequent trips to Thailand and Phi.

In Phi I supported girls through college and glad to say few got a nice job and good salary. One even went to Dubai with a nice job. Once again I do not know what they did when I am not there. All of these are.

Province girls who lived with their family. I never rented a apartment. When I am there they will stay and travel with me. Nowadays I do not support anybody although I still have " girlfriends " Only give them money and gifts when I visit them.

My advice to you is to have the right mindset. Relationshipwise do not loose sleep and become a mental wreck worrying what the girl is doing. Moneywise do it only if you can afford it and consider as a donation. As long as she takes care of you during your visit it should be fine.

I always figured that if I went to the bars and barfined girls it would have cost more money overall with no guarantee of good time. With a good GFE you know you are going to be happy.

I do not know the laws about renting apt in Manila and somebody else living there. Is it going to be a problem getting rid of her?

Just work out all issues before you committ.Thanks for the feedback! You and I have the same outlook, that is "I always figured that if I went to the bars and barfined girls it would have cost more money overall with no guarantee of good time. With a good GFE you know you are going to be happy." With a Chinese wife that nags the crap out of me (I only stay because of our child) and after having tons of hookers, I need to have a real love life again.

Good points about the apartment issues. I guess it is just best to have her stay with me at the hotel when I come to Manila and not get an apartment. In addition, provide her some type of monthly support for misc. Stuff (which would be very small amounts of money for me). Yap, I will give it a try based on my new plan and see how it works out. Regarding getting rid of her, now that I am in my 50s, I was thinking of keeping her for as long as I can (if she is really a virgin). The idea of having a young (over 18) , sweet, cute, and loving virgin that really loves me (so she says) makes me feel alive! If she is for real (e. g, she feels true love for me and she is a virgin) , I will not get rid of her. If she start to nag me or make demands, the the dream comes to end and I am gone.

[Undercoverh]

To me that says a lot about the situation and good advice. Great report.

I have several girls that I support.

Yes its a matter of choice to me and I stay with in my budget.

I don't worry if they have other boyfriends etc. And actually I expect they do so I don't headtrip.

What matters most. Is can I afford it. And what expierence do I have when they are with me.

And how much bs and lies they tell me.

Now I have expierenced with more bar girls but a few province girls.

The bar girls have a tendency to have more boyfriends but leave any girl alone and she will have lots of opportunities.

I would not put anything in my name and be able to walk away.

And I look at it like a gift.

Now I am having girls I give like 5000 pesos a month to. They can stay with their parents or rent a room. Up to them.

But they better be available for me when I am there unless there is a good verifiable reason not to be.

I love bar girls but also want stability and GFE and no drama and no complications with a girl.

So if I find one then I keep her on retainer. I give her more money when I am with her.

The biggest problem is how do you handle her requests for more money.

As most of the requests may involve bs and lies?

If they ask for too much more money I cut them off.

Or just don't answer.

And see what they do.

If I can verify something then I may give more depending on how much time I may spend with her and how my expierence is when with her.

It can get a little complicated.

But if you can afford it and you really like the girl then why not.

Bar girls are still hit and miss and then you have more risks of the unknown and infections etc.

Not that a steady girl will be perfect but its how you feel and what you really want. Just don't ignore the warning signs.

Lots more can be said but if you tend to be jealous and only have a little time with the girl maybe its not for you?

]if you enjoy the girl much more then the other girls you meet and have some kind of feelings for her and you watch the signs.

Then why not if you can afford it.

For a one hour bad expierence in the USA I can support a girl or two for a month. So I do. But then right now I am ten months a year in PhilippinesThanks for the input. The thing I like about this girl is that she is not a bar girl and just a regular working (maid) Flipina looking for love. I know she is poor from the way she dress when I see her on Skype, but she has never asked me for money in the 4 months I have known her. Of course, girls can say anything, but she seems to be for real. I guess I will find out soon enough. Thanks again.

[Undercoverh]

Thanks to all the guys for your feedback! I got lots to think about.

[Chocha Monger]

Thanks for the feedback! You and I have the same outlook, that is "I always figured that if I went to the bars and barfined girls it would have cost more money overall with no guarantee of good time. With a good GFE you know you are going to be happy." With a Chinese wife that nags the crap out of me (I only stay because of our child) and after having tons of hookers, I need to have a real love life again.

Good points about the apartment issues. I guess it is just best to have her stay with me at the hotel when I come to Manila and not get an apartment. In addition, provide her some type of monthly support for misc. Stuff (which would be very small amounts of money for me). Yap, I will give it a try based on my new plan and see how it works out. Regarding getting rid of her, now that I am in my 50s, I was thinking of keeping her for as long as I can (if she is really a virgin). The idea of having a young (over 18) , sweet, cute, and loving virgin that really loves me (so she says) makes me feel alive! If she is for real (e. G, she feels true love for me and she is a virgin) , I will not get rid of her. If she start to nag me or make demands, the the dream comes to end and I am gone.Undercoverh,

A lot of guys have done what you dream of doing. It sounds good on the surface, your own private young virginal puss to bareback. On the other hand, it will most likely not work out as you envision. Providing her with an apartment, money and lots of free time will only enable her to spend more time online finding and fucking the horny well hung young studs she truly desires. Recognize the fact that as an old man she will never love you as she would a handsome young boy of her own age. You will always be seen primarily as a means of support at best and a perverted old grandfather at worst. If her friends find out about you she will deny that she has sex with you. I know of a 77 yrs old Filipino American currently in the circumstance that you're contemplating placing yourself. You will never have her for yourself. There will be a younger local boyfriend or two sexing her whenever you're away. Face it, young Filipinas have voracious sexual appetites and many of them want it 10 to 12 times a day. The local young men have no trouble satisfying this need with all of the cheap Viagra and Cialis floating around on the streets and the lack of jobs to keep them busy otherwise. You will not be able to keep up in more ways than one. They'll stud your pretty young thing and she'll use your money to keep them happy with Red Horse and shabu. At the end of it all you'll still feel empty in addition to wanting to blown your brains out for having been a silly old goat doting over some young puss that fed you a bunch of bull and took your money. Last night in the bar I heard a bar girl loudly and forcefully declaring to a potbellied bald headed old monger that money didn't matter only love. All the while she milked him for lady drinks. I couldn't stop laughing every time she opened her mouth. It's okay to be a sentimental old fool sometimes as long as you remember incontrovertible rule when it comes to foreigners and Filipinas. Money is always Number 1, family is Number 2, and stupid foreigner comes somewhere after the family's water buffalo.

It's not all doom and gloom though. It's entirely possible have some type of relationship with the girl without putting her in an apartment and providing her with a salary. You can simply take her shopping, take care of her medical needs and let her stay with you in a nice hotel during your visits. If you wish you can even hand off some pesos for her to spend as she likes at the end of the visit. Don't ever get into wiring money. The girls can't handle it. The easy money is like heroin and soon her family and friends will have her contacting you with bullshit stories to have you wire more on a regular basis. As long as you're generous while in town she will show up to be with you. Let the benefits you provide in her company be the incentive for her to show up and stick around. Don't ever start thinking that it's true love but she'll be a girlfriend to you and your needs will be mutually satisfied.

[Chocha Monger]

Watch out for the money changer next to EDSA Complex called World Travel Money Changers. The girl there quoted me an exchage rate of 42 PHP "flat" for US dollars. I laughed and walked about 10 feet to the money changer next door called Susan and got a rate of 42. 70 PHP to the dollar. Don't get fleeced!

[MilkMan2]

Please beware of carrying viagra or kamagra with you at the airport. I was threatened with arrest for carrying only 2 kamagra pills. I was very stupid to have left it in my pocket. So please empty all your bags and pockets before walking through their immigration baggage check points and scanners.

[Buko Max]

I'll be making my second trip to Phils in early Sept. Last time was 3 years ago. I stayed in Makati near Burgos and it was wonderful. I will be in Phils for about a week. I was thinking about doing half Manila and half Cebu. My question is, Is it worth it to spend the money and take the time to fly to Cebu? How does Cebu compare to Manila?

I have met a lot of hot girls on dating sites from Cebu and it seems inviting. On the other hand I don't think I could go wrong spending the whole week in Manila. Looking for advise from people who are familiar with both.Since you have been to Makati before and had a good time, I would go with what you know. One week goes by very quickly so I would pick one or the other. Personally, I spend as little time in Manila as possible. So leave the Cebuanas to the Cebu guys! :D

[Sammon]

Thanks to all the guys for your feedback! I got lots to think about.I know of many men who have successfull relationship with 20 something girls. Most are permanently living in Phi. For them nothing to worry as long as they take care of the girl and family with money.

Sexwise she may or may not have some guys on the side servicing her needs.

As for your situation " Married otherwise known as practically dead " who needs a extra spark to reinvigorate yourself this is a perfect solution.

I do not know whether this girl is a real virgin or not matters to you? If you like her after meeting you can decide to have a long term supporting relationship.

Only thing I am worried about you jumping from fire to a vat of hot oil.

Having said it is good to have a loving girlfriend. If you keep a open mind it will work. If you are a worrywad it will not work.

I went to see a Ormoc girl who was 18 a while ago. She told me she is a virgin. But she confessed she had been with a European guy for two years who was 73 years old and recently passed away. So she is looking for.

Another sponsor. After meeting her I found out she sold her virginity to him for a big sum of money (Hurray to Viagra ).

Still a sweet and good looking girl. Only reason I did not sponsor her is because her mother was questioning everything. Mother was separated with another two kids. I knew if I got involved I would have to support four people.

Here is a pic of the girl

[Soapy Smith]

Watch out for the money changer next to EDSA Complex called World Travel Money Changers. The girl there quoted me an exchage rate of 42 PHP "flat" for US dollars. I laughed and walked about 10 feet to the money changer next door called Susan and got a rate of 42. 70 PHP to the dollar. Don't get fleeced!My idea of fleecing is when they intentionally miscount either your currency or the peso bills before they turn them over.

[W20415]

Since you have been to Makati before and had a good time, I would go with what you know. One week goes by very quickly so I would pick one or the other. Personally, I spend as little time in Manila as possible. So leave the Cebuanas to the Cebu guys! :DI checked on the price of flights and it's only $115. Oo round trip to Cebu. For that price I think I have to go check it out. Too many hotties in my messenger list need my attention. That said, I need to find the best place to stay. Any Suggestions? Some one said there was a lot of action around the Century hotel. Any reccomendations?

[WestCoast1]

I checked on the price of flights and it's only $115. Oo round trip to Cebu. For that price I think I have to go check it out. Too many hotties in my messenger list need my attention. That said, I need to find the best place to stay. Any Suggestions? Some one said there was a lot of action around the Century hotel. Any reccomendations?Yes, lots of action on the street outside the Century Hotel. A deluxe room there is p850 (aircon, large bed, wifi, coffeeshop). You are right downtown, a block from the Gaisano Metro mall (non aircon mall). Its a gritty area.

[FreebieFan]

Please beware of carrying viagra or kamagra with you at the airport. I was threatened with arrest for carrying only 2 kamagra pills. I was very stupid to have left it in my pocket. So please empty all your bags and pockets before walking through their immigration baggage check points and scanners.OK now I'm sure were all going to chirp up here and say threatened with arrest on what charge? If "pushing viagra" is a crime how is allowed to happen in the open in Burgos.

I'm in and out of both Manila Intl airports very frequently with a bag full of tricks and tabs, especially kamagra tabs and gel. They arent in my pocket but for sure are in my bag. Been doing that for past 10 years plus.

So I think we request some more info about this "threatened with arrest" situation you were in. And where are your other reports.

[Undercoverh]

I know of many men who have successfull relationship with 20 something girls. Most are permanently living in Phi. For them nothing to worry as long as they take care of the girl and family with money.

Sexwise she may or may not have some guys on the side servicing her needs.

As for your situation " Married otherwise known as practically dead " who needs a extra spark to reinvigorate yourself this is a perfect solution.

I do not know whether this girl is a real virgin or not matters to you? If you like her after meeting you can decide to have a long term supporting relationship.

Only thing I am worried about you jumping from fire to a vat of hot oil.

Having said it is good to have a loving girlfriend. If you keep a open mind it will work. If you are a worrywad it will not work.

I went to see a Ormoc girl who was 18 a while ago. She told me she is a virgin. But she confessed she had been with a European guy for two years who was 73 years old and recently passed away. So she is looking for.

Another sponsor. After meeting her I found out she sold her virginity to him for a big sum of money (Hurray to Viagra ).

Still a sweet and good looking girl. Only reason I did not sponsor her is because her mother was questioning everything. Mother was separated with another two kids. I knew if I got involved I would have to support four people.

Here is a pic of the girlThank you very much for your input and the pic! I have a co-worker who retired 5 years ago and moved to PI to be with his long-time poor filipina girlfriend (26 year age difference) and they (according to him) very happy now. He cliams he will not marry her, but he will stay with her, take care of her, and be sweet with her. He has agreed to give her parents P3, 500 per month. And that is it. The poor parents do not live in Manila but in a small hole in the wall town. He can afford much more, but he does not want to over do it.

For him, living in an upscale condo (he is renting) and having a young pretty girl with him that loves him, and no worry of money is a wonderful retirement according to him. He basically left his old nag of a wife and is living a dream for retirement. The thing I like the most about PI is that an younger girl with an older financially secure man is a status for the girl. Why, because, generally speaking, everyone knows she is well taken care of. He takes good care of her, nice cloths, shoes, bags, etc. Filipinas love this type of stuff. The cost for him to do this is for her is peanuts for him. But for his girlfriend, it means the world to her. When they are out together, they look like a well-to-do couple. This is where I got the idea from of having my sweet filipina. I have met his girlfreind once, and she looks out for him and she takes care of him in her own way. I know all stories do not have an happen ending, but this one does.

Based on the feedback from guys here, I have decided not to rent an aparment for her. However, if I lived there in Manila, I think it would be ok for her to live with me (if she were to turn into a b_itch, I would simply move on). That way, I would not have to give any thought to her banging other guys since we would be living together. In the future, I will visit her and have her stay with me in a nice hotel. We wlll see how it goes. If it does not work out, there are millions of filipinas to take her place. I have been to all parts of Asia and I love PI the most. Why, there of tons of filipinas, they speak English, lots of websites to meet them on, most love or like western men, they love sex, and when they love you, it is all out sex and love. From one filipina website, I have have free sex with 5 girls from that website over the past 2 years (cherry Bloossoms). Of course, with the website, you have to invest time in getting to know them. And, they will have sex with you if they really like you and think there is hope for a future with you. I understnad this is not for most guys. This is for guys like me who have banged tons of hookers and is now looking for a real GFE. Of course, I still bang hookers on the side, but not as much compared to when I was in my 30s and 40s. And if the regular filipina (non hooker) you are with does not make you happy, there are 1,000s who will. At least, this has been my experience.

[Red Kilt]

Please beware of carrying viagra or kamagra with you at the airport. I was threatened with arrest for carrying only 2 kamagra pills. I was very stupid to have left it in my pocket. So please empty all your bags and pockets before walking through their immigration baggage check points and scanners.I find this extremely hard to believe if the airport to which you refer is in the Philippines.

They threatened to arrest you? On what grounds? Since when is it a crime to carry anything (other than prohibited drugs of course) in your pocket?

Kamagra, Cialis, Viagra et al are not prohibited drugs.

They are freely available on prescription. Legally.

I have been through many (most) airports in the Phils in my 14 years living here and NOBODY, ever, has asked to look in my pockets at scanners and checkpoints.

Most security guys would have no idea what Kamagra was anyway.

If you are talking about an airport in some other country then I cannot comment but if it is the Phils you are referring to, then there must have been some other issue that almost got you "arrested".

[MauiDude]

I find this extremely hard to believe if the airport to which you refer is in the Philippines.

They threatened to arrest you? On what grounds? Since when is it a crime to carry anything (other than prohibited drugs of course) in your pocket?

Kamagra, Cialis, Viagra et al are not prohibited drugs.

They are freely available on prescription. Legally.

I have been through many (most) airports in the Phils in my 14 years living here and NOBODY, ever, has asked to look in my pockets at scanners and checkpoints.

Most security guys would have no idea what Kamagra was anyway.

If you are talking about an airport in some other country then I cannot comment but if it is the Phils you are referring to, then there must have been some other issue that almost got you "arrested".They probably want money if its in a foreign airport. In USA they can be very anal or very legalistic? They may want to arrest anyone for anything. And if yu have the pills without the prescription then there is a basis for them to hassle you. I carry a prescription for cialis from a pi doctor and a USA doctor. Just in case?

I have carried my personal supply from Thailand to Philippines. Fortunately no hassle. But most hassles I see is a shake down for money?

[Chocha Monger]

I find this extremely hard to believe if the airport to which you refer is in the Philippines.

They threatened to arrest you? On what grounds? Since when is it a crime to carry anything (other than prohibited drugs of course) in your pocket?

Kamagra, Cialis, Viagra et al are not prohibited drugs.

They are freely available on prescription. Legally.

I have been through many (most) airports in the Phils in my 14 years living here and NOBODY, ever, has asked to look in my pockets at scanners and checkpoints.

Most security guys would have no idea what Kamagra was anyway.

If you are talking about an airport in some other country then I cannot comment but if it is the Phils you are referring to, then there must have been some other issue that almost got you "arrested".Red Kilt,

He may have been carrying Kamagra without a prescription. If the pills were in foil blister packs they would have set off the metal detector causing the security personnel take a closer look. I'm not sure what the Philippine policy is on carrying prescription meds without a script on hand in the traveler's name but Rush Limbaugh ran into some trouble years ago upon entry to the US with a bottle of Viagra not prescribed in his name. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/06/27/national/main1753947.shtml

[WestCoast1]

I find this extremely hard to believe if the airport to which you refer is in the Philippines.

They threatened to arrest you? On what grounds? Since when is it a crime to carry anything (other than prohibited drugs of course) in your pocket?

Kamagra, Cialis, Viagra et al are not prohibited drugs.

They are freely available on prescription. Legally.

I have been through many (most) airports in the Phils in my 14 years living here and NOBODY, ever, has asked to look in my pockets at scanners and checkpoints.

Most security guys would have no idea what Kamagra was anyway.

If you are talking about an airport in some other country then I cannot comment but if it is the Phils you are referring to, then there must have been some other issue that almost got you "arrested".Have been waltzing in / out of phils for years, with carry-on and checked luggage filled with blister-packs of every kind of drug. Sleeping pills (prescribed narcotics) , cold medicines, street-kamagra / cialis, you name it. Never been stopped. The bags go thru initial x-ray screening upon entry at the manila int'l airport, then thru airline x-ray screening (checked bags anyway). Nobody has ever said anything.

Move on to US customs. Two years ago I was randomly singled out for a suitcase and carry-on hand search. OMG! My pharmacy! The agent quickly found my plastic ziplocked bag with my pills. He separated every different kind of pill by blister-pack, and then he separated all the uncontained pills. He asked me to tell him what each type was. I did not have a prescription for any of them, nor was there a prescription bottle with a label:

* Ambien, sleep medicine. I had one in my pocket. They are tiny pills. He knew exactly what that was."Ambien sir?" "Yap." I take two with me, one for each long pacific flight. I had forgotten to take it on the return home, and it was in my pocket.

* Generic kamagra from the street.

* Real cialis (my doctor handed me a sample 4-pack in his office, no script).

* Assorted cold pills, psuedofed, antihistimines, and tylenol.

* Prilosec, an antacid.

* Fiber pills from the grocery store.

Following this quick identification procedure, he took every single item out of my suitcase and carry-on (including underwear) , piece by piece, laying it on a large table, in front of everyone. He was very quiet."Anything else sir?" "Nope." That was it. He told me to take my time, pack it all back up, and have a good day. Not another word spoken about he un-scripted ambien, cialis, or kamagra. I was scared to death I was going to be in trouble, but nada.

Fast forward to recent return to the US. I had an apple in my bag. At Immigration the officer asked if I had anything to declare. Like an idiot, I was pulling the apple out of my carryon to bite into it. I said,"No", thinking we were through. Oops."Where did you get that fruit sir?" Damn."You have to declare that. Seem the customs agent." He wrote something on my customs form, and the customs agent asked where the apple was."I ate it already. No evidence hahaha. What? Not funny?" He said,"Sorry sir. Standard procedure we need to xray your luggage and search for fruit and vegetables. The xray caught my ziplock pharmacy bag (I saw it) , but nobody cared. They just hand-checked thru my bags for fruit and let me go.

Have never had any foreign airport question what was in my bags.

[Jambo]

Move on to US customs. Two years ago I was randomly singled out for a suitcase and carry-on hand search.I got searched once coming back to the US with my PI fiance. Her mom had stuffed in MY bag with several packets of dried fish, wrapped in plastic and sealed with tape. Looked just like freakin' cocaine! Customs guy focused on the souvenirs I had and ignored / did not see the rest!

[MadisonGuy]

i think if you're honest and not doing anything highly illegal you're fine. i've had cuban cigars many time and got searched and let through from costa rica. on the last trip i only declared a bunch of knock of purses and there were two agents there the guy didn't say a thing but the girl behind him was like well just to let you know that is illegal and technically we could confirep001e them. women. she went on about how children are forced to make knock offs for next to nothing. had i been on my toes i would've asked her how much money would we have to feed the poor if instead of $1000 for a purse they paid $20 and gave the rest to charity.

[WestCoast1]

i think if you're honest and not doing anything highly illegal you're fine. i've had cuban cigars many time and got searched and let through from costa rica. on the last trip i only declared a bunch of knock of purses and there were two agents there the guy didn't say a thing but the girl behind him was like well just to let you know that is illegal and technically we could confirep001e them. women. she went on about how children are forced to make knock offs for next to nothing. had i been on my toes i would've asked her how much money would we have to feed the poor if instead of $1000 for a purse they paid $20 and gave the rest to charity.consider the number of times my checked luggage was x-rayed on my recent trip:

* tsa xray upon arrival at us airport (1).

* airline xray after checking your bag. (1)

* arriving airport xray upon arrival in filipines. (1)

* flew to several provinces. upon getting to each airport, xray. departing each airport, xray (5, possibly 6 times here amongst the airports)

* depart filipines, xrayed again. (1)

* arrive us, xrayed again. (1) also hand-searched because of the apple.

there you have 10-11 xrays thru security. i've watched the screen they view it on. you can clearly see the 8-9 blisterpacks of pills. you can't tell if they have any pills, but you can make out if the pill package has round pills or oval. my suitcase is locked with a tsa lock (they can open it with a key, but they put a large note inside telling you if they open it, and why) , its never been opened as far as i know. previously it was locked with a regular lock, which would have to be cut off, it also was never opened. i find it odd that, having flown so many times, that nobody in security has ever asked me to open it just to look at the pills!

[MadisonGuy]

So I guess you concur then. I actually have a friend like you who keeps this huge bag of pills, like 500-1000. When coming back from Tijuana I was like don't be anywhere near me I don't want to get pulled into a search with you. Went right through they didn't even care, the last time I went through they didn't even scan my suitcase. They asked what is inside, I said clothes and stuff, they said alright go ahead. I think scanning is a necessity, but you can't possibly get everything.

[Azmodeus Fl]

Last time I left the Philippines Everything I had went through an X-ray at the door and I walked through a metal (Due to 3. 5 LBS of titanium strapped to my left knee in the form of a leg brace) I got a pat down. Leaving exit immigration my carry on bags went through another x-ray and I went yet another metal detector and again as explained previously I had another pat down. 20 Feet from the gate to my plane my carry on again goes through another x-ray and me through another metal detector and again I get a third pat down. HMMMMMMM can you say that the Philippines takes security seriously. In the US you go through one metal detector and you bags go through one x-ray. Why do people complain about airport security in the USA.

[MauiDude]

Last time I left the Philippines Everything I had went through an X-ray at the door and I walked through a metal (Due to 3. 5 LBS of titanium strapped to my left knee in the form of a leg brace) I got a pat down. Leaving exit immigration my carry on bags went through another x-ray and I went yet another metal detector and again as explained previously I had another pat down. 20 Feet from the gate to my plane my carry on again goes through another x-ray and me through another metal detector and again I get a third pat down. HMMMMMMM can you say that the Philippines takes security seriously. In the US you go through one metal detector and you bags go through one x-ray. Why do people complain about airport security in the USA.Yes and also they do not even let you in the airport manila or clark without I'd and some sort of ticket or paper to show you have a flight that day.

I have seen a girl give money to security and not sure what was being smuggled?

I think americans complain more because we can we are spoiled and we have our rights in the USA.

In this foreign country you do not really have any real rights?

I would be curious to know how many americans travel to third world countries complain about USA airport security as

Those that only travel with in the USA.

In Philippines they also do a lot of pat downs and feel your body and pockets. Sometimes they used hand held metal detectors.

They sometimes go through your pockets and I have had them take money out of my pockets and try to keep the money.

And more recent they counted the money in my wallet? What is up with that?

I don't complain about the security in USA. I feel much better with what they are doing as I know in philipppines.

They may want to take money or? Who knows here. But better to have a problem on the ground in the airport then.

Up in the air.

We get spoiled in USA I think.

[FreebieFan]

Last time I left the Philippines Everything I had went through an X-ray at the door and I walked through a metal (Due to 3. 5 LBS of titanium strapped to my left knee in the form of a leg brace) I got a pat down. Leaving exit immigration my carry on bags went through another x-ray and I went yet another metal detector and again as explained previously I had another pat down. 20 Feet from the gate to my plane my carry on again goes through another x-ray and me through another metal detector and again I get a third pat down. HMMMMMMM can you say that the Philippines takes security seriously. In the US you go through one metal detector and you bags go through one x-ray. Why do people complain about airport security in the USA.Yes they try to make it look like they take it seriously but its all quantity and no quality. If it was a quality security then what happened recently to me would be impossible.

Arrived at check in counter a little late. Desk clerk could see I was hot and bothered so she promised to be fast.

Another lady interrupted the clerk to ask for something.

Desk clerk processed my flight and gave me my boarding pass and passport.

I go through not one but two passport checks, first being a match of boarding pass, and passport then the secondary one for the stamping.

I go to the boarding gate and check my seat number. I double check and realise that my boarding pass has a ladies name on it and its for a different flight to mine. Amazing.

Must have been the girl who interrupted my check in, but even so how could I go thru two levels of checks with a boarding pass that didn't match my passport. So much for the hundreds of armed guards. The security is still weak.

One day I will tell you my story about the 3 hour search at Los Angeles because the customs guy thought I was going to the US to work illegally. What a joke that was!

[WestCoast1]

HMMMMMMM can you say that the Philippines takes security seriously. In the US you go through one metal detector and you bags go through one x-ray. Why do people complain about airport security in the USA.Almost. When you enter the International terminal here, they xray the checked luggage first. Then you check it with the airline and once they take it from you, the airline x-rays it themselves. What I'm saying is, that for as many times as my luggage got xrayed, both in the States and in filipines (and possibly in the international transit airport in east asia) , maybe 10 times, not once did the inspector ask to see what is in those blister packs (even though they clearly show on his / her screen). At one point in US did they grab my carry-on just after it passed thru the xray and pulled out a bottle of water. In filipines they xrayed and pulled from my carryon an umbrella. Both times there were blisterpacks of medicines (also in my checked suitcase) , but nobody cared to find out what is in them. I'm guessing blisterpacked medicines are extremely common, and they don't like to stop and search every other passenger who carries cold medicines.

Another time recently, the inspector opened my bag for a domestic flight xray and removed some stuff, then put the bag back thru for another pass. Then he removed some more stuff and sent it thru again. Finally he looked thru and found a sharp pair of scissors that I had purchased in Manila at Robinsons. I had meant to check them in my suitcase under the plane, and forgot. Clearly sharp, clearly a possible weapon. He tossed them back in the bag, and told me to put the rest of my stuff in the bag, and said,"Have good flight sir." It was tempting to say,"Are you crazy to allow that on a plane?" But, its easier to just move on.

[X Man]

I'm convinced that airport security is MOSTLY for us to think we are flying safe.

I am also convinced that airport security is influenced by US paranoia. I once had to kill time at MNL airport. And in an emptly office (looked in thru the window) I found some US directive criticizing check in procedures regarding bottles and shoe search. God help the us if Filipinos arrive in the US with water!

In Tokyo you have to get a picture and fingerprints using the index finger. I heard the machines are a US import. A korean prostitute, busted, deported, used fake finger prints to get back into the country. I guess terrorists are not as smart as Korean hos. Also heard from a friend that he used his middle finger (his gesture was intended) and no one noticed.

Have a safe flight. X.


Last time I left the Philippines Everything I had went through an X-ray at the door and I walked through a metal (Due to 3. 5 LBS of titanium strapped to my left knee in the form of a leg brace) I got a pat down. Leaving exit immigration my carry on bags went through another x-ray and I went yet another metal detector and again as explained previously I had another pat down. 20 Feet from the gate to my plane my carry on again goes through another x-ray and me through another metal detector and again I get a third pat down. HMMMMMMM can you say that the Philippines takes security seriously. In the US you go through one metal detector and you bags go through one x-ray. Why do people complain about airport security in the USA.

[Globe Spinner]

Last time I left the Philippines Everything I had went through an X-ray at the door and I walked through a metal (Due to 3. 5 LBS of titanium strapped to my left knee in the form of a leg brace) I got a pat down. Leaving exit immigration my carry on bags went through another x-ray and I went yet another metal detector and again as explained previously I had another pat down. 20 Feet from the gate to my plane my carry on again goes through another x-ray and me through another metal detector and again I get a third pat down. HMMMMMMM can you say that the Philippines takes security seriously. In the US you go through one metal detector and you bags go through one x-ray. Why do people complain about airport security in the USA.I have a pacemaker and always tip the guard outside the terminal. He takes me through a security area with no line and they just wave me through. 2 minutes.

[MilkMan2]

I am a non smoker and I do not take or use any abusive drugs. I stay away from anyone whom I know smokes grass or anything like that. This happened last week in manila airport. Do you think the authorities would have let me go for a tip if I was carrying something else. They kept asking for prescription. I said it is not viagra its kamagra, than he goes "this one cannot bring you have prescription lets see the inspector." I really had a good time in the phills except for this damper. One thing I have noticed is that when you carry western passport they treat you with extra caution. I noticed this when I travel with western friends. I have an asian passport and probably look arab. Well I am only sharing, the next time it happens I will go and see the inspector. Probably check in and get in there early for the interview just incase.

My experience with authorities in asia they will find a small clause somewhere to get you for something if they want. They higher aouthorities you go to the higher you pay.

Probably it was just a bad day for me, should have just left it in the bag.

Cheers


I find this extremely hard to believe if the airport to which you refer is in the Philippines.

They threatened to arrest you? On what grounds? Since when is it a crime to carry anything (other than prohibited drugs of course) in your pocket?

Kamagra, Cialis, Viagra et al are not prohibited drugs.

They are freely available on prescription. Legally.

I have been through many (most) airports in the Phils in my 14 years living here and NOBODY, ever, has asked to look in my pockets at scanners and checkpoints.

Most security guys would have no idea what Kamagra was anyway.

If you are talking about an airport in some other country then I cannot comment but if it is the Phils you are referring to, then there must have been some other issue that almost got you "arrested".

[MilkMan2]

OK now I'm sure were all going to chirp up here and say threatened with arrest on what charge? If "pushing viagra" is a crime how is allowed to happen in the open in Burgos.

I'm in and out of both Manila Intl airports very frequently with a bag full of tricks and tabs, especially kamagra tabs and gel. They arent in my pocket but for sure are in my bag. Been doing that for past 10 years plus.

So I think we request some more info about this "threatened with arrest" situation you were in. And where are your other reports.I do not smoke or use any kind of drugs. I also do not befriend anyone who does.

I was carrying 2 pieces of kamagra in my pocket, accidentally forgot to put in the luggage. There were no blue pills in my bag except for some vitamin see and charcoal. At the immigration security check in Manila upon crossing the metal detector they guy wanted me to empty my pockets. So I did. On the left hand pocket there was 2 pieces fo kamagra. He held it in his hand and said "this one you cannot bring, it is an offence in the Phillipines." You have prescription. I said I don't have it with me here now. And I also highlighted to him that this is not viagra. He brought another guy with him than they both started saying that I need to go with them to see the inspector as this is not allowed without prescription. I finally tipped 3000. And rushed to catch my flight. This is my 3rd visit. In the previous visits there were no such thing.

Probably sheer bad luck but hope these guys don't pull this again on others because they were successfully in extorting me for nothing. I also yielded to their request becuase my experience with asian country is that the higher you go the more you pay.

[FreebieFan]

Yes and also they do not even let you in the airport manila or clark without I'd and some sort of ticket or paper to show you have a flight that day.

In Philippines they also do a lot of pat downs and feel your body and pockets. Sometimes they used hand held metal detectors.

They sometimes go through your pockets and I have had them take money out of my pockets and try to keep the money.

And more recent they counted the money in my wallet? What is up with that?

I.

They may want to take money or? Who knows here. But better to have a problem on the ground in the airport then.

Up in the air.

We get spoiled in USA I think.They don't let you in the airport without a ticket not for security, but as a means of keeping hoardes of people wellwishing / sending off a passenger out of the nice airconditioned terminal. Ever noticed its the only country that does that.

Of course perhaps its better than being harassed endlessly by panhandlers / mendicants and other professional beggars that cruise through the restaurants in LAX requesting money.

They go though your wallet (never happened to me) but as precaution against you taking out more pesos than is allowed by Bangko Sentral. Signs are posted about this in all airports.

Ok I'm not American, and dislike going through immigration there on my 2-3 vists a year to the US.

I'm stuck in a long long long line with some obese lady (they are always fat and black regardless of which city I fly into) shouting " Hey you, passengers from flight 3456 get in that line there!" : hey you make sure you you have filled in the right form " " no, there are no restrooms till you have cleared customs etc". Sorry to say but its like arriving in a 3rd world country.

This is from the perspective of a non American arriving. The numbers of visitors arriving are such that there must be security errors.

I feel way more secure arriving in Australia where they have the smartest dogs that are probably way more effective than xrays.

I actually enjoy travelling to and in the US. Just can't stand the very poor arrival experience.

[MilkMan2]

I find this extremely hard to believe if the airport to which you refer is in the Philippines.

They threatened to arrest you? On what grounds? Since when is it a crime to carry anything (other than prohibited drugs of course) in your pocket?

Kamagra, Cialis, Viagra et al are not prohibited drugs.

They are freely available on prescription. Legally.

I have been through many (most) airports in the Phils in my 14 years living here and NOBODY, ever, has asked to look in my pockets at scanners and checkpoints.

Most security guys would have no idea what Kamagra was anyway.

If you are talking about an airport in some other country then I cannot comment but if it is the Phils you are referring to, then there must have been some other issue that almost got you "arrested".Red,

I don't smoke or use any form of drugs. I do not befriend anyone who uses abusive substance, however that's their privilege.

In my case, at the manila airport as soon as I stepped across the metal detector there was no alarm. I thought I was free to go because I have emptied everything from phones to keys into my bag. I am a frequent traveler. The only thing that I had in my pocket was kamagra. Only 2 pieces and no prescription. The guy took it out from my pocket and said that this is not allowed in Phills. Well I told Hi this is not viagra. And it is also not an abusive drug substance. He called another guy over and they asked me for prescription. I said I don't have it with me. Than he wanted me to call my friends. He also asked do you have girlfriend here. I straight away asked him how mucas I was already late for my flight. I had to tip to get away from these guys so that O catch my plane. Damage 3xxx.

I have been to phils 3 times. I have bought and taken street viagra home from angeles. This was the first time I exited manila airport. On the whole it was a good trip except for this damper.

I hope they will not be motivated to carry this out on others after their successful attempt on me.

Feedback on local regulations will be very much appreciated

[Fast Eddie 48]

All this post on airport security are off topic there are a Travel section for all this please post it there instead and talk about Manila mongering info here.

Fast Eddie 48

[Chocha Monger]

I have an asian passport and probably look arab.I think that was the real issue right there. The pinoys were pissed about some arab guy getting hard on kamagra and boning their women. The recent insistence of Saudi Arabia to keep pinay domestic workers on slave wages probably didn't help either. You saved your ass by bribing them had you gone to see the inspector you might have been sitting in their infamous foreigner detention center. On the other hand, you also gave them an incentive to lean on guys with a similar profile and appearance.

[FreebieFan]

I do not smoke or use any kind of drugs. I also do not befriend anyone who does.

I was carrying 2 pieces of kamagra in my pocket, accidentally forgot to put in the luggage. There were no blue pills in my bag except for some vitamin see and charcoal. At the immigration security check in Manila upon crossing the metal detector they guy wanted me to empty my pockets. So I did. On the left hand pocket there was 2 pieces fo kamagra. He held it in his hand and said "this one you cannot bring, it is an offence in the Phillipines." You have prescription. I said I don't have it with me here now. And I also highlighted to him that this is not viagra. He brought another guy with him than they both started saying that I need to go with them to see the inspector as this is not allowed without prescription. I finally tipped 3000. And rushed to catch my flight. This is my 3rd visit. In the previous visits there were no such thing.

Probably sheer bad luck but hope these guys don't pull this again on others because they were successfully in extorting me for nothing. I also yielded to their request becuase my experience with asian country is that the higher you go the more you pay.Good epxlanation and probably the best thing to do in the circumstances. Maybe you just had an unlucky day when you had a couple of chancers at Customs trying their luck.

As a precauton against such folk I keep a few fake names on my phone (such as Mayor of Makati, a couple of well known congressman, businessmen etc.) and if I ever run into trouble I ask them " maybe I should call my friend to see if he can solve this problem" They always bottle it and let me proceed. But your tale will be remembered. I hope your next exit from Phils is peaceful and painless.

[Nvslim]

Red,

I don't smoke or use any form of drugs. I do not befriend anyone who uses abusive substance, however that's their privilege.You posted this message 3 times, once was too many in the Manila thread when other threads are more appropriate.

Slim

[Buko Max]

All this post on airport security are off topic there are a Travel section for all this please post it there instead and talk about Manila mongering info here.

Fast Eddie 48There is no travel thread but would be better suited in the 'General Info' thread!

[Orangevale Rob]

I'm going to try to stick with dates from DIA and CB (I've got a couple of pretty sure things lined up already) , but I'd like to go to a bar where I can play with a girl's tits and maybe get some handjob action while I'm buying her LD's. What's a good place for that, with some attractive girls?

[FreebieFan]

I'm going to try to stick with dates from DIA and CB (I've got a couple of pretty sure things lined up already) , but I'd like to go to a bar where I can play with a girl's tits and maybe get some handjob action while I'm buying her LD's. What's a good place for that, with some attractive girls?Am sure every Manila here will tell you the same (other than telling you to fead the rucking forum) get to Burgos, try Dimples, Bottoms, Montana or Wowowow or some of the other bars in said area and go enjoy. Check that you are signing all the bar bills correctly and don't let anyone pad your bill. If you don't want to buy a girl a drink just say No. In Bottoms and Wow3 more than HJ's are available. Don't fall for the " Sir she's going to hold the curtain closed so please buy her a drink her too" BS.

[FreebieFan]

Yes yes, never send money I know. Ok self admonition over.

I have a cutie who deserves a nice birthday present but I'm tired of walking to Western Union and filling in 20th century type forms. So I looked at Xoom as a means of sending money but its only available if you have a US credit card.

Western Union online transfer isn't available from the country in which I reside, neither is Paypal. Does anyone know any great ways of sending money online. ? Many thanks dear helpful brothers.

[WestCoast1]

I'm going to try to stick with dates from DIA and CB (I've got a couple of pretty sure things lined up already) , but I'd like to go to a bar where I can play with a girl's tits and maybe get some handjob action while I'm buying her LD's. What's a good place for that, with some attractive girls?P Burgos gogo street bars, Makati. Buy a girl a high-end LD, find a dark corner. Gents, specific bars that are better for it?

[Inlock]

Does anyone know any great ways of sending money online. ? Many thanks dear helpful brothers.Http://www.google.dk/search?q=money+transfer+Philippines+worldwide

[FreebieFan]

Http://www.google.dk/search?q=money

+transfer+Philippines+worldwideYep, had been there and done that. And Pink Floyd " Money" wasnt exactly was I was looking for. You must have been the kid at the back of the class who tried to answer the question, when the teacher had already moved onto the next question.

[TazDevil]

Does anyone know any great ways of sending money online. ? Many thanks dear helpful brothers.Freebie Fan,

http://www.fxcompared.com/money-transfers/philippines.php

You've posted a lot of great adventures here. If one of these don't work, I have a far-fetched idea. Go to a Catholic Church on Sunday morning there in Taipei and ask any of the Filipinos there which is the best way to send money to the Philippines from Taiwan. They will know the most reliable and cheapest way. There's a lot of Filipinos going to St. Christopher's Catholic Church on ZongShan North Road just south of the Taipei Fine Arts Museum. If I remember correctly, bus #210 takes you there. I remember passing by the church on my way to the Fine Arts Museum on a Sunday morning and seeing lots of Filipinos outside standing around like they do after church. Good luck and let us know which one works best.

[FreebieFan]

Freebie Fan,

http://www.fxcompared.com/money-transfers/philippines.php

You've posted a lot of great adventures here. If one of these don't work, I have a far-fetched idea. Go to a Catholic Church on Sunday morning there in Taipei and ask any of the Filipinos there which is the best way to send money to the Philippines from Taiwan. They will know the most reliable and cheapest way. There's a lot of Filipinos going to St. Christopher's Catholic Church on ZongShan North Road just south of the Taipei Fine Arts Museum. If I remember correctly, bus #210 takes you there. I remember passing by the church on my way to the Fine Arts Museum on a Sunday morning and seeing lots of Filipinos outside standing around like they do after church. Good luck and let us know which one works best.Thanks. Yes there are many money senders there, such as Lucky, Diamond, and LBC. I know the area well, and ocassionally go "hunt " there. Its 36 degrees in Taipei right now and its a long walk to the nearest CAthay Bank (who handle WU transfers here ). Was just trying to find an online way to do this without going out into the heat.

But good suggestion though and thanks.

[Jambo]

Was just trying to find an online way to do this without going out into the heat.Try Chikka?

[HenryV]

Anyone know a good dentist in Manila, will be there next month and want to have my teeth whitened.

Thank you.

[Pana Nyc]

I will be in Manilla in 2 weeks and I wanted to know if any of you fellas have any trusted taxi drivers / guides in Manilla I can use to take me to mongering venues being that I will have only 3 days to play in Manilla and I want every second to count and do not want to waste time trying to figure out the city in such a short time, thanks.

[D Cups]

Good luck. I don't think they exist. Just make sure you get a taxi with a meter and he turns it on.


I will be in Manilla in 2 weeks and I wanted to know if any of you fellas have any trusted taxi drivers / guides in Manilla I can use to take me to mongering venues being that I will have only 3 days to play in Manilla and I want every second to count and do not want to waste time trying to figure out the city in such a short time, thanks.

[Sammon]

I will be in Manilla in 2 weeks and I wanted to know if any of you fellas have any trusted taxi drivers / guides in Manilla I can use to take me to mongering venues being that I will have only 3 days to play in Manilla and I want every second to count and do not want to waste time trying to figure out the city in such a short time, thanks.I do not know why you need a Taxi driver as a guide. Read all the posts here. Only if you are looking for casa girls you need a guide. With those you need to be carefull of scams and extortions.

As for freelancers famous are manila bay cafe, Some bars around ermita (you can go to MBC and ask other mongers there for advice.)

As for venues there is EDSA (Moderate) and Burgos st bars (expensive)

Besides there are many massage places (all info is here)

Taxi drivers in Manila are notoriously rip off artists. Demand that they turn on the meter moment you get in.

[Soapy Smith]

I will be in Manilla in 2 weeks and I wanted to know if any of you fellas have any trusted taxi drivers / guides in Manilla I can use to take me to mongering venues being that I will have only 3 days to play in Manilla and I want every second to count and do not want to waste time trying to figure out the city in such a short time, thanks.D Cups and Sammon have given you good advice. A reasonable approach is to read up from the forum so you know in advance which of the venues you want to try first. Manila Bay Cafe and surrounding Ermita clubs, EDSA Entertainment Complex, Burgos Street bars, or the massage parlors. About two months ago I posted a file (in this thread I think) about most of the best known extra service massage parlors. There are lots of posts on the other three venues. Posters' reviews show the extreme of good and bad experiences, but also show what to expect price-wise.

As to taking a taxi, you can get your hotel doorman or security to get a taxi for you. They will generally not set you up with drivers likely to rip you off, although you should give a small tip (maybe 50 pesos) to the doorman for his help. Then, if he does not write down the number of the taxi, ask him to do so. Say it just loud enough so the driver hears your request. The reason he does this is so it's possible to track down the taxi through the taxi company if something goes wrong. Write it down yourself as well, and check to make sure his meter is on. Some drivers who cheat the meter system want a flat rate, sometimes because it's a time of heavy traffic, sometimes just because they are exploitative, and especially so with foreigners. Assuming you are a newbie, it's not a good idea to negotiate for a flat fare for a distance you don't know how to estimate. So my advice is the same as D Cups and Sammon: tell the driver to let you out immediately if he is not running his meter. The Tagalog for stop is "para."

If you are going to MBC, just tell the driver Manila Bay Cafe on del Pilar in Ermita. If he does not know this, tell him LA Cafe; he may know it by this older name. Likewise, tell him EDSA Entertainment Complex at EDSA and Harrison (EDSA is an acronym, so say it this way, do not sound out the letters; you need to tell him this location because some drivers do not know this place) or Burgos Street in Makati. If you go to one of the massage parlors, you should also be prepared to give the address to the driver. If the driver doesn't know the location you are describing, he will probably get you lost. Get out and take a different taxi.

[HenryV]

Indeed, avoid taxis as much as possible. Get / download a good manila map and get the info off this board. Otherwise, you will turn into an ATM for some of the drivers.


I will be in Manilla in 2 weeks and I wanted to know if any of you fellas have any trusted taxi drivers / guides in Manilla I can use to take me to mongering venues being that I will have only 3 days to play in Manilla and I want every second to count and do not want to waste time trying to figure out the city in such a short time, thanks.

[HenryV]

I would respectfully disagree, it is better to come out of your hotel, walk a block or two, then get a cab. You do not want the hotel people to know any more about you than they have to. You do not want a call from the front desk that the mother, brother, aunt, etc, of the bargirl you are with (who is identifying you by your name) is in the lobby.

Even when I fish something out of the Manila Bay Cafe I have the girl meet me a block or two from the bar. Had a friend hassled by the police when he came out with a gal. Albeit it happened only once, but once is enough.

Make sure the cab has a meter and gas. Yes, gas. On my last trip the driver ran out of gas on Roxas on the way to the airport.


D Cups and Sammon have given you good advice. A reasonable approach is to read up from the forum so you know in advance which of the venues you want to try first. Manila Bay Cafe and surrounding Ermita clubs, EDSA Entertainment Complex, Burgos Street bars, or the massage parlors. About two months ago I posted a file (in this thread I think) about most of the best known extra service massage parlors. There are lots of posts on the other three venues. Posters' reviews show the extreme of good and bad experiences, but also show what to expect price-wise.

As to taking a taxi, you can get your hotel doorman or security to get a taxi for you. They will generally not set you up with drivers likely to rip you off, although you should give a small tip (maybe 50 pesos) to the doorman for his help. Then, if he does not write down the number of the taxi, ask him to do so. Say it just loud enough so the driver hears your request. The reason he does this is so it's possible to track down the taxi through the taxi company if something goes wrong. Write it down yourself as well, and check to make sure his meter is on. Some drivers who cheat the meter system want a flat rate, sometimes because it's a time of heavy traffic, sometimes just because they are exploitative, and especially so with foreigners. Assuming you are a newbie, it's not a good idea to negotiate for a flat fare for a distance you don't know how to estimate. So my advice is the same as D Cups and Sammon: tell the driver to let you out immediately if he is not running his meter. The Tagalog for stop is "para."

If you are going to MBC, just tell the driver Manila Bay Cafe on del Pilar in Ermita. If he does not know this, tell him LA Cafe; he may know it by this older name. Likewise, tell him EDSA Entertainment Complex at EDSA and Harrison (EDSA is an acronym, so say it this way, do not sound out the letters; you need to tell him this location because some drivers do not know this place) or Burgos Street in Makati. If you go to one of the massage parlors, you should also be prepared to give the address to the driver. If the driver doesn't know the location you are describing, he will probably get you lost. Get out and take a different taxi.

[Inlock]

Yep, had been there and done that. And Pink Floyd " Money" wasnt exactly was I was looking for. You must have been the kid at the back of the class who tried to answer the question, when the teacher had already moved onto the next question.I wasn't aware that the "+"-signs wouldn't make it through the clickable link.

I didn't post an additional explanation though, as I figured you were one of the smartest kids around in the class and would have noticed that.

[Soapy Smith]

i would respectfully disagree, it is better to come out of your hotel, walk a block or two, then get a cab. you do not want the hotel people to know any more about you than they have to. you do not want a call from the front desk that the mother, brother, aunt, etc, of the bargirl you are with (who is identifying you by your name) is in the lobby.

even when i fish something out of the manila bay cafe i have the girl meet me a block or two from the bar. had a friend hassled by the police when he came out with a gal. albeit it happened only once, but once is enough.henry,

i understand your point, but i think the question of involving the hotel doorman in getting a taxi is a case of picking between two poisons. there is the possibility that the doorman picks up on where you are going, especially if he asks you for this information to use in recruiting a taxi. but you don't have to tell him. you can just say,"i'm going to the malate area." (mbc is really in ermita, whereas there are lots of non-prostitution clubs in nearby malate.) then wait to give the specific destination after the cab door is closed. a second problem, which you don't mention, is that doormen do play favorites with cab drivers and sometimes extort tips from them out of sight of the customer based on promises that the passenger is a foreigner who will tip well. and then the cabbie makes a scene at your destination if you don't give an uber-tip. but the reverse issue is trying to hold the cabbie accountable. in the end, the doorman may not be of much help if you later have a problem with a driver, but going through the motions at least creates the impression for the driver that people are watching -- and that the passenger is not such a phils nebbish as to be totally exploitable. getting a cab anywhere in manila--even a block away from the hotel--is always a crap shoot. okay, i confess that i too sometimes walk a short distance from the hotel to get a cab, but not so much out of distrust of the doorman as because i think some dishonest cabbies hang out specifically in front of three-star and lower monger hotels to try to get foreign passengers who are thinking with their little heads. but i know manila very well and i don't hesitate to speak up when a cabbie appears to be going the long way around to run up the meter. i think the taxis available at the entrances to better hotels are more likely to be there at random--having just dropped off another guest--rather than hanging out by design. i could be mistaken.

as to concealing from hotel staff that you are mongering, good luck. remember, as you and the girl are experiencing the walk of shame, the doorman and front counter staff get to watch. and this happens without regard to whether the doorman knows anything about your earlier taxi destination. they know you checked in alone, and then they see you enter and head to the elevator with a young, sexily-dressed pinay. they've seen it many times, and they catch on real fast. and as somebody pointed out in another thread recently, filipinos everywhere have this well-worn bamboo grapevine.

the hotel staff often can connect a name to your face whether you are mongering or not, but if the girl's family knows your name, it's because the girl tells them, not the hotel staff.

i agree with your concern about leaving mbc, but most of these problems involve getting into cabs waiting along the curb by the club. some stories report that the cabbies there are sometimes con artists working with police or fake-police extortionists. many of us have recommended going at least a block away to take a cab. this is the first i've heard of somebody on foot being stopped by police, other than the guy who recently told about being picked up for smoking in public, which is apparently now against the law in manila. perhaps you can tell us the details.

i agree about getting a map. there's a great little book available in most bookstores in manila called the metro manila citiatlas. it's about 5 by 8 inches (you metric guys put up with my system here) and 200 pages and costs maybe 300 pesos. it shows every little street and alley in the metro area and many of the important buildings.

[FreebieFan]

I wasn't aware that the "+"-signs wouldn't make it through the clickable link.

I didn't post an additional explanation though, as I figured you were one of the smartest kids around in the class and would have noticed that.LOL. Nah I was always in the back row. I think one teacher or another might have used the phrase " idle idiot" LOL

[Red Kilt]

Lots of weird advice here from guys who visit for 2 weeks, stay in a tourist hotel, monger all night and then think they know all about how the Philippines works.

Those of us who live and work here use cabs all the time and deal with filipinos who are just earning an honest buck and who don't fit the stereotype that is frequently portrayed here.

All taxi drivers are NOT scam artists. Many of those who prowl around MBC and Ermita in clapped-out dirty cabs are crooks and will target the obvious monger tourist but elsewhere in Manila more than 95% of them are driving nice new, sweet-smelling cabs and are NOT scammers.

Spend time in places like Ortigas or around the Ayala triangle in Makati and you will meet real filipinos, including cab drivers, who are amongst the most decent people on earth. Visit some of the schools and see absolutely dedicated teachers doing a fantastic job in dreadful crowded conditions and no resources for learning. These people are heroes.

I do not need a car because I have several cab drivers who I can call by cell phone to take me to Tagaytay or across to Intramuros, Ocean Park or anywhere else whenever I have family from Australia or visitors from elsewhere. These guys will wait with me all day and are happy to be a full-time tourist driver for 2000 pesos (around $50) who will take me wherever I want to go.
Again, bad advice is given here by guys who just don't know the real story because they have never done it so they jump to conclusions.

The way some of you portray life here based on your very short and limited microcosm of experience, the Philippines is full of scam artists; all women are prostitutes; most women will fck for money etc etc.

It is not at all like that.

Why else do you think I would give up a senior position in Australia to live and work here for 14 years if it was the hell-hole some of you describe?

[Soapy Smith]

Lots of weird advice here from guys who visit for 2 weeks, stay in a tourist hotel, monger all night and then think they know all about how the Philippines works.

Those of us who live and work here use cabs all the time and deal with filipinos who are just earning an honest buck and who don't fit the stereotype that is frequently portrayed here.

All taxi drivers are NOT scam artists. Many of those who prowl around MBC and Ermita in clapped-out dirty cabs are crooks and will target the obvious monger tourist but elsewhere in Manila more than 95% of them are driving nice new, sweet-smelling cabs and are NOT scammers.

Spend time in places like Ortigas or around the Ayala triangle in Makati and you will meet real filipinos, including cab drivers, who are amongst the most decent people on earth. Visit some of the schools and see absolutely dedicated teachers doing a fantastic job in dreadful crowded conditions and no resources for learning. These people are heroes.

I do not need a car because I have several cab drivers who I can call by cell phone to take me to Tagaytay or across to Intramuros, Ocean Park or anywhere else whenever I have family from Australia or visitors from elsewhere. These guys will wait with me all day and are happy to be a full-time tourist driver for 2000 pesos (around $50) who will take me wherever I want to go.

Again, bad advice is given here by guys who just don't know the real story because they have never done it so they jump to conclusions.

The way some of you portray life here based on your very short and limited microcosm of experience, the Philippines is full of scam artists; all women are prostitutes; most women will fck for money etc etc.

It is not at all like that.

Why else do you think I would give up a senior position in Australia to live and work here for 14 years if it was the hell-hole some of you describe?RK, you've been grumpy as hell lately, it's not your style, and it doesn't become you.

I agree with your assessment that most cabbies in the Philippines are decent guys. That said, I can't speak for the other guys in this discussion, but I for one travel to the Phils on business, and my mongering days are a year and a half behind me. My taxi travel in non-mongering areas has been mostly, but not exclusively, good experiences. But the whole point of the taxi discussion has been consistent with your description of the sleazy cab drivers that you admit populate the mongering areas. The point is that Pana NYC's taxi inquiry was about taxis for mongering, not for getting in and out of the business areas of Ortigas Center or Makati. If Pana stays in a high end Makati hotel, then he will get the good drivers you describe, but unless he keeps their phone numbers, he's going to have to deal with the sleazy cabs you describe when he leaves the mongering area. And if he stays in a mongering hotel, he will deal with them in getting away from the hotel. That is the discussion we have been having.

I have not lived in the Phils for 14 years, and in fact never for more than 5 months at a time, but I'd argue that the Filipinos who work in Ortigas and the Ayala triangle are not average Filipinos. I'd bet that most Metro Manila residents have been in the Ayala triangle fewer than a half dozen times in their lives. Some might argue that the p4ps that mongers interact with have more in common with average Filipinos than do those who work in Ortigas and the Ayala triangle.

I might add that you have posted that you do not monger in Manila because you live and work in the city and can't afford to contaminate your personal and professional circles. So when those whose experiences are primarily about mongering describe taxi experiences in their mongering activities, isn't that what Pana was asking about? This was never a discussion about taxis in and out of Ortigas.

I too tire of silly generalizations about the Philippines from those who have never experienced any part of it other than mongering, but in this instance you're putting words in people's mouths that they never uttered. Nobody in the taxi discussion said anything about teachers nor about: "the Philippines is full of scam artists; all women are prostitutes; most women will fck for money etc etc." I don't see D Cups, Henry, or me posting any of those generalizations.

In my case I have been in a relationship with one Filipina for about a year and a half and I do not "monger all night." Nowadays I usually stay in a hotel away from the mongering areas and she joins me there. We do not stay in her place because it's small, offers little privacy for sex, and has only a cold water shower and no aircon. She is not well educated and she is poor by Western standards. She's also attractive, a very warm and loving person, and I'm quite fond of her. She is also probably closer to being a "regular" Filipina than those who work in Ortigas Center or Makati and hold business meetings with Western business visitors in five-star hotels. I have done those meetings.

For reasons I won't explain she and I spent a week in late June at a hotel near the corner of UN Ave. and del Pilar in Ermita. One day she took a cab from near the hotel up to the LRT station at UN and Taft. She called me from the LRT in a very angry mood. She'd just had a very ugly scene with the cab driver. She'd not noticed that he didn't turn the meter on, and when she got out at Taft Avenue he told her the fare was 200 pesos. Yes. 200 pesos from del Pilar to Taft on UN Avenue. He'd seen me and pointed out the price was different because he knew she had a foreign boyfriend. He had also seen me give her money before she got in the cab. So is this one "regular" Filipino to another? Not exactly; the driver was one of the monger area sleazes you described, and she was guilty of being seen with a Westerner. This conversation has been about the problems mongers have with taxis, not whether most Filipinos are good people.

I do not post overly-generalized, negative smears about Filipinos, and I have sometimes defended the Philippines in discussions with GE in other threads. But I'm not so sure examples from Ortigas or the Ayala triangle are very representative of the Philippines that most Filipinos know. On the other hand, your explanation about drying rice on roadways does feel like the real Philippines. I'd be glad to hear more such posts, especially since nobody has posted in the Philippine History and Politics thread since our silly discussion about economic impact research on prostitution. Some of us do read that kind of stuff, and I personally learn from it.

[Red Kilt]

RK, you've been grumpy as hell lately, it's not your style, and it doesn't become you.SK

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

I plan to take an extended holiday from ISG.

I am tired of the petty sniping from guys who live overseas 50 weeks of the year and rely on ISG and a few pictures to feed their fantasies until they have saved up enough pesos to come here for the only 2 weeks of fun they have for the whole year.

For the record. I don't wear a red kilt. RK happens to be the name of a horse that my Dad and I raced successfully many years ago.

[FreebieFan]

SK

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

I plan to take an extended holiday from ISG.

I am tired of the petty sniping from guys who live overseas 50 weeks of the year and rely on ISG and a few pictures to feed their fantasies until they have saved up enough pesos to come here for the only 2 weeks of fun they have for the whole year.I think RK, that we all know where most of us stand in terms of knowledge of Philippines (or lack thereof ).

We all know who has the stripes, who is still earning them, and who will never earn them.

The 2 week experts come, and rather like a typhoon, make a lot of noise, and then leave and life settles back into its normal pattern till another one comes in "blowing hard". They are part of the scenery I guess, such is the attraction of Manila on the monger map.

Enjoy the ISG vacation if that whats you feel you need.

I'm having a vacation from the KL board where it seems all I do is rile up the locals, who I believe to be jealous of the scoring that I was able to do there. We all fit somewhere and don't fit in other places.

I'm sure when you return, most of us will all still be here, more adventures will have been posted and tellingly, there will still be some 2 week expert telling us "how it really is " LOL. The welcome mat is always out.

[GoodEnough]

Skip, knowing RK rather well, I doubt that his post was directed at you, DCups and others like you, and I doubt he was reacting to any specific post. I think that most of us who live here, particularly those of us who travel into the interiors of the country (that is the rural areas and small towns) frequently, and who have thus developed a fairly acute sense of what the country is real like, just get fed up with the ill-informed, superficial generalizations made by the "two-week, screw all I can" tourists. Like RK I think, I'm not putting those guys down for what they do while here, but the fact is that hanging out with bar girls, and within that circumscribed world for a couple of weeks doesn't present an accurate picture of the country.

RK and I are in similar occupations, with similar backgrounds and life experiences. We get to see and experience things as a result of our work that most people will never see and many perhaps would not be interested in seeing. We get to see teachers in rural schools struggling to provide a modicum of education against almost impossible odds. We've been invited to share whatever food is available in small, poor subsistence communities and we've been welcomed into the homes and social lives of these communities. In my case, I've gotten to work with ex-combatants whose fight had nothing to do with ideology and everything to do with wanting a bigger share of the pie that had been denied them for so long. I could continue on for pages, but I think the point has been made.

The simple fact is that the scam artists, the cheats, the crooked drivers encountered by so many are a small minority of the population, and not representative of the largely kind, hospitable and gentle people who constitute the majority of this country. That they're able to maintain a relatively benign and compassionate outlook on life in the face of massive government corruption and extreme poverty speaks to a strength of character that's rare. That so many women are forced to sell sexual services speaks less to lack of character than to lack of economic opportunity in a country that offers abysmally poor education and few jobs.

I can't of course speak for RK. I'm just making some assumptions based on my own weariness with those who generalize from a very limited, truly unrepresentative sample.

GE

[Sky Ryder]

G. E, RK. Et al,

I couldn't agree more that to lose your valuable input is really kind of the ultimate insult. I don't "live" in the Phils, but have an ongoing serious relationship that takes me to a small town on a regular basis. I also have the opportunity to see the populace in a whole different light than that of the AC, MBC, Cubu bar scene that most of the visitors who come here experience. It is tiresome at best when you read posts that constantly degrade or belittle people that for the most part are just using what ever assets they have to provide something for themselves and their families.

Many of these gals live with the "don't ask, don't tell" policy in their family. The family doesn't really want to know how they get the money, just don't let it stop.

Having said that, to let these few keep the collective "you" from sharing experiences and knowledge that make a trip to the Philippines the unique opportunity that it is, makes me sad.

I have benefitted greatly from you wisdom and insight and hope to continue to do so in the future. I hope that will continue."don't let the bastards get you down"!

[MadisonGuy]

Redkilt, I understand your frustration. Unfortunately in a forum this happens in every country. I've been to the Philippines just once recently and will be going back again in a month. I thought my cabbie was one of the best guys I met, he was certainly a better guy than a lot of the ones I saw representing the US. The only thing that sickened me about the country was the children sleeping on the sidewalks in the street. Other than that the differences between there and Chicago are slight. I expected to get a shake down by police, robbed and taken to some abandon warehouse by a cab, catch an STD from every girl I slept with, fortunately for me I take everything said in the forums with a grain of salt because they say the same things about other third world countries. I had girls get mad at me for giving them money. 2 hot girls at Palladium got mad at me for giving them money for drinks. Seriously it was the weirdest thing, went to restroom and the girls wanted drinks so I gave them 1000 and said here get it from the waitress when she comes back I've got to use the bathroom. I get back and two girls that were like flies around me were both pissed at me, luckily one told me why. They were offended that I gave them the money and said they are not like that. I was tired and didn't want to bother with the drama so I just went to bed. Anyway Red I can understand your feelings, I hate the overly cautious warnings guys saying don't take more than 1000PHP with you, enjoy your time there it's a great place with great people. I always kept 12, 000PHP on me, wore my rolex everywhere, and the only problem I had was some douche bag wanting a tip for opening my door at MBC to my cab, I seriously wanted to knock the guy out considering he pushed me aside to open the door of a taxi which I flagged down. Well that and getting robbed at Diamond hotel, they charged $400 for one frickin night because I just showed up without a reservation, lesson learned!

[Irony Monger]

Well that and getting robbed at Diamond hotel, they charged $400 for one frickin night because I just showed up without a reservation, lesson learned!Yikes! Next time they try that, find a nearby internet cafe or even a kiosk in that hotel, log onto agoda, and reserve a superior room right then and there for $107 and print it out. You can then walk back to registration with the reservation coupon and a smile.

[Soapy Smith]

Damn forum just gobbled up another of my much too long posts, so I will abbreviate. That's probably for the better.

I greatly appreciate contributions from others with the experience and understanding to be able to put otherwise mindless sex with poor Philippine women into cultural context. Filipinas are, as various contributors have said, among the most affectionate and loving women in the world. I wouldn't give up my partner for anything in the world, and my experiences totally contradict the statements of some who continually want to denigrate Filipinas.

Many of us learn things in this forum that go far beyond the question of finding and fucking women in Manila, which somebody will soon point out is the purpose of this thread. Sex with young attractive Third World women always occurs within a backdrop of culture, history, politics, and socio-economic conditions, and to not want to hear that is, in my view, on par with wanting to burn down the library at Alexandria because its contents are seen as a threat.

Even in such disparate illustrations as those that RK gave about his taxi experiences and those that others offered about monger area taxis, there's a lot of information for those who are thoughtful enough to see what the contrasts illustrate.

RK, I meant to get your attention, not scold you. If I went too far, I apologize. You have made many thoughtful and informative contributions to the forum that I have appreciated. I understand that you presently can't justify the marginal individual benefits of continuing to participate here when held up against the frustrations of mindless and insulting content in some members' posts. You may give yourself some peace of mind by extricating yourself, but we will suffer a collective loss if you decide to do so. Thank you.

[Chocha Monger]

I agree with the views expressed by some residents that not all the inhabitants of the Philippines are scammers, murders, thieves, prostitutes and opportunists out to fleece foreigners. However, the forum describes experiences of visitors to the Philippines through the prism of sex tourism. The sex tourist will have an experience that is very different to that of the expat with a square job or business outside of the sex tourism centers. Behaviors will vary too. Most sex tourists meet Filipinas online with the intention of eventually meeting and having sex with them. This is not a secret to local opportunists and criminals hence they flock to these online sites in the hopes of relieving the aspiring sex tourists of their money. From the start the sex tourist is more likely to meet con artists because of his method of meeting people and the fact that sex is already clouding his judgment. Mongers also love to find accommodations close to or within easy reach of commercial sex venues. Criminals and crooked taxi drivers know this and troll these areas in the hopes of catching some starry eyed sex tourist and fleecing him of his hard currency. Mongers associate mainly with women driven by financial desperation to sell sex outright or under the guise of a girlfriend needing a favor. In an environment of extreme poverty unsavory individuals congregate around these women and the establishments they frequent in the hopes of getting piece of the action directly or indirectly. These individuals can range from boyfriends, relatives, pimps, trike and taxi drivers, all the way up to policemen. So, it is not unusual or unreasonable for the average sex tourist to feel under siege or even hunted. While this may not reflect Philippine society as a whole it is a fairly accurate description of the sex tourist experience. The distrust and extreme caution may actually be keeping mongers safe as they venture into sex tourism venues and rendezvous with random strangers for sexual intercourse.

[Soapy Smith]

I agree with the views expressed by some residents that not all the inhabitants of the Philippines are scammers, murders, thieves, prostitutes and opportunists out to fleece foreigners. However, the forum describes experiences of visitors to the Philippines through the prism of sex tourism. The sex tourist will have an experience that is very different to that of the expat with a square job or business outside of the sex tourism centers. Behaviors will vary too. Most sex tourists meet Filipinas online with the intention of eventually meeting and having sex with them. This is not a secret to local opportunists and criminals hence they flock to these online sites in the hopes of relieving the aspiring sex tourists of their money. From the start the sex tourist is more likely to meet con artists because of his method of meeting people and the fact that sex is already clouding his judgment. Mongers also love to find accommodations close to or within easy reach of commercial sex venues. Criminals and crooked taxi drivers know this and troll these areas in the hopes of catching some starry eyed sex tourist and fleecing him of his hard currency. Mongers associate mainly with women driven by financial desperation to sell sex outright or under the guise of a girlfriend needing a favor. In an environment of extreme poverty unsavory individuals congregate around these women and the establishments they frequent in the hopes of getting piece of the action directly or indirectly. These individuals can range from boyfriends, relatives, pimps, trike and taxi drivers, all the way up to policemen. So, it is not unusual or unreasonable for the average sex tourist to feel under siege or even hunted. While this may not reflect Philippine society as a whole it is a fairly accurate description of the sex tourist experience. The distrust and extreme caution may actually be keeping mongers safe as they venture into sex tourism venues and rendezvous with random strangers for sexual intercourse.Very insightful and, I think, pretty accurate. And, knowing the contrasting experiences and realities of "regular" life in the Philippines makes it more understandable. Sex tourism has a set of unique dynamics that are part of a broader set of cultural and social dynamics.

[Cunning Stunt]

Thought there would be little harm in adding my two pence as my heart bleeds for those members who live in country and have to put up with those all those pesky 2 week a year sex tourists who apparently only encounter the darkside in their ruthless search for Pinay gash bash.

I live in Manila for several months of each year (the good weather months). Whilst in town I am a regular and, I think, fairly useful contributor to this forum as I document my pussy hunting adventures around town. When out of country, I rarely view let alone contribute to this forum. What is the point as I would have little in the way of useful, up-to-date mongering insights to offer?

This does not prevent me from contributing to the home forum of wherever I may be living or visiting at the time (see my recent report of the remarkable Lady Marmalade Parties).

To some this hobby is an expedient (only way to get it), to others a conduit (looking for something and naive or foolish enough to believe that third world phookers can provide). There is a third varietal which is the pure cocksman who is in it purely for the sport. They tend to be the most interesting of ISG members and produce the majority of the real reports.

All three categories are found on ISG. Also commonly encountered are the non/rare players (maybe ex-pat, married or in a serious relationship, shit scared of fucking up but sorely missing their active days) who view the forum as an outlet. They are often the backbone of the threads and are sometimes great entertainment but offer little in the way of real useable insight into the mongering potential of a destination.

What group are you in? Or have I missed a category?

[GoodEnough]

Thought there would be little harm in adding my two pence as my heart bleeds for those members who live in country and have to put up with those all those pesky 2 week a year sex tourists who apparently only encounter the darkside in their ruthless search for Pinay gash bash.Thanks for your sympathy CS, it is indeed a heavy burden to bear.

There is, I think another category of guys among the permanent residents here, and for want of a better term, I call them "opportunists," in which category I would likely include myself. These are guys who have relatively "normal" lives here; get up and go to work every day, come home to dinner and a glass of wine in the evening, and who are probably sustaining long-term relationships that they enjoy. They are not proactive, and thus rarely look for extra curricular sexual opportunity, but are not averse to taking advantage of it if it presents itself, and it does tend to present itself here with a certain amount of consistent regularity. These are guys who have become habituated to the endless supply side of the equation to the extent that it has become more or less background noise and they typically don't pay much attention to it.

It's been my experience that the expats who actually work here, and who have thus made the country their home, strive for a reasonable degree of Western "normalcy" in their lives. To succumb to the endless supply of young, attractive women risks jeopardizing the normalcy and allowing one's life to go slightly off the rails. That is to risk losing one's center. If I were to immerse myself in the endless chances for screwing that exist here, I would severely weaken my ability to do my job every day, thus threatening my livelihood. I think it's much the same for many of us, or at least for many whom I know. That's the reason that so many of us have adapted a more traditional lifestyle to the context of this country.

GE

[WestCoast1]

SK

Thanks for your thoughtful post.

I plan to take an extended holiday from ISG.

I am tired of the petty sniping from guys who live overseas 50 weeks of the year and rely on ISG and a few pictures to feed their fantasies until they have saved up enough pesos to come here for the only 2 weeks of fun they have for the whole year.

For the record. I don't wear a red kilt. RK happens to be the name of a horse that my Dad and I raced successfully many years ago.Sorry to see you go, as your insights and PM's have been relevant. But, its a good reminder, that the board is here for everyone, including the 10-day tourist (it is named "International") and the expat. They're going to represent two different kind of postings. Too much testosterone around lately?

[Samchad]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me of a few places I can go during the day to get some full service? Any soapies in the area? I think I will be staying near the Mega Mall. I can't bring any girls to the hotel room.

Thanks for your help!

[Member #3439]

By necessity, referring my topic from a month ago, where some girls from MBC wanted rubbers and I asked them to BB because I logically thought they would not say yes unless they were on the pill. Then after having sex BB with me 2 days in a row one opened my eyes by threatening to 'find me' if she got pregnant. Then people here told me how I screwed up and missed the cultural aspect of church, wivestales, etc.

I plan to be back in Manila shortly. I need to visit MBC, as that's part of the reason for stopping in Manila. But I am a little concerned that maybe one of the girls did get knocked up, could still be working there, and happens to recognize me. I don't know what she meant by 'find me'. Like what was she going to do if she found me anyway? Is there any recourse for her, like could a girl call the police and have me detained for testing? I am guessing the girls won't remember my face, since WGs never seem to remember guys for long. Plus these girls don't work there all the time. Maybe 2-3 nights a week. So my chance of even seeing them is low. If one does recognize me and tries to scam me for money, I will deal with that no problem. However if she gets pissed and there is some law she can use against me, like to have me detained, I have to reassess my trip plan and skip Manila. Is anyone familiar with these aspects of the Phillipines law?

[Frenzy3]

but i am a little concerned that maybe one of the girls did get knocked up, could still be working there, and happens to recognize me. i don't know what she meant by 'find me'. like what was she going to do if she found me anyway?

is anyone familiar with these aspects of the phillipines law?a wg will remember you, she might have even taken your photo with out you noticing, they have their ways. even if they did not get pregnant to threat you like that she will be looking out for you.

as for philippine law there is only one you need to know : the white guy did it and has lots of cash.

they can lock you up, and will if some girl wants money, she can claim you raped her show a white baby and your gone even with out the baby she still can claim [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). i was one of the guys telling you to watch what you are doing as i have seen guys like you get in trouble here. even this last post you still not get it, if i was you avoid place where you will bump in to these girls, you have a target on your head. if you go there they see you they call the shots, if you leave with another girl watch out.

[Member #3439]

a wg will remember you, she might have even taken your photo with out you noticing, they have their ways. even if they did not get pregnant to threat you like that she will be looking out for you.

as for philippine law there is only one you need to know : the white guy did it and has lots of cash.

they can lock you up, and will if some girl wants money, she can claim you raped her show a white baby and your gone even with out the baby she still can claim [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). i was one of the guys telling you to watch what you are doing as i have seen guys like you get in trouble here. even this last post you still not get it, if i was you avoid place where you will bump in to these girls, you have a target on your head. if you go there they see you they call the shots, if you leave with another girl watch out.no, trust me i do get it and that's why i asked the question. just to make sure i'm not being paranoid, cause i know other guys are doing girls bb that they picked up from places other than mbc, and i haven't read of any major problems during my extensive time rtff here.

as for white guys, it took me only that first trip to pi to figure out that this is not someplace to stop in and practice 'cocksmanship' unless you stay on the move. cause i got the impression the pinoy authorities don't like us no matter how much money we are dumping into their country. which is probably why i see the more experienced visitors here bouncing from town to town within even short trips. by the time the girl gets pissed off and makes a plan to do something drastic, they are hundreds of km away.

when that particular girl made that 'finding me' comment i immediately realized that i was playing with fire when i bb'ed those girls. because it's not just her, those other girls could get the same idea. and then she started telling me that i should be her bf. and then she said that she tried to stop by my room one night unannounced to introduce me to a friend.

in mnl i got great sex almost every time and was mostly enjoying myself, but i sensed that some mbc girl would make a move and try to play me, and that being a foreign guy i would be screwed. so that is most of the reason why i left town early, because in maybe a couple more days the girls would all start talking to one another and maybe there would be a target on my head like you mentioned. this particular mbc girl is full of hate for men and talks endlessly about a european guy who used to have her living at his apartment for a long time, and one day while they were out traveling far from the apartment he left her peso-less at a store or station somewhere in the provinces and drove off. she eventually made her way back to the apartment to find him and he was gone from the apartment, whole place cleared out. and she said if she finds him she is having him arrested. i don't know what for. prostitute abandonment? so i knew to get far away from this psycho. get out while the getting is good.

maybe in a year i can come back to mbc safely, if the girls tend to go back to their homes after a while working mnl? i get the idea and for this next trip i will focus on some other town in phils. give cebu another shot maybe.

[Chocha Monger]

No, trust me I do get it and that's why I asked the question. Just to make sure I'm not being paranoid, cause I know other guys are doing girls BB that they picked up from places other than MBC, and I haven't read of any major problems during my extensive time RTFF here.

As for white guys, it took me only that first trip to PI to figure out that this is not someplace to stop in and practice 'cocksmanship' unless you stay on the move. Cause I got the impression the Pinoy authorities don't like us no matter how much money we are dumping into their country. Which is probably why I see the more experienced visitors here bouncing from town to town within even short trips. By the time the girl gets pissed off and makes a plan to do something drastic, they are hundreds of km away.

When that particular girl made that 'finding me' comment I immediately realized that I was playing with fire when I BB'ed those girls. Because it's not just her, those other girls could get the same idea. And then she started telling me that I should be her BF. And then she said that she tried to stop by my room one night unannounced to introduce me to a friend.

In MNL I got great Sex almost every time and was mostly enjoying myself, but I sensed that some MBC girl would make a move and try to play me, and that being a foreign guy I would be screwed. So that is most of the reason why I left town early, because in maybe a couple more days the girls would all start talking to one another and maybe there would be a target on my head like you mentioned. This particular MBC girl is full of hate for men and talks endlessly about a European guy who used to have her living at his apartment for a long time, and one day while they were out traveling far from the apartment he left her peso-less at a store or station somewhere in the provinces and drove off. She eventually made her way back to the apartment to find him and he was gone from the apartment, whole place cleared out. And she said if she finds him she is having him arrested. I don't know what for. Prostitute abandonment? So I knew to get far away from this psycho. Get out while the getting is good.

Maybe in a year I can come back to MBC safely, if the girls tend to go back to their homes after a while working MNL? I get the idea and for this next trip I will focus on some other town in Phils. Give Cebu another shot maybe.Puta Playa,

After those ropes of cum you shot in her hole there is a very good chance that you knocked her up and she's looking for you. Her friends probably know what you look like and when you show up at MBC the texting alert will go out. Legally there isn't much she can do but these girls don't go the legal route. What you need to worry about are the extrajudicial tactics mentioned. If you're the sentimental type you might want to drop by and rub her belly, see how that pregnancy is progressing. Up to you if you want to play a role in your baby's life, or not. You can't knock her up twice so if you are out to bareback again it's probably best to just repeat. What's done is done!

[Traveller China]

After those ropes of cum you shot in her hole there is a very good chance that you knocked her upMedical literature places the odds of pregnancy at somewhere around 20% when a woman is at the peak of her fertility cycle. Outside of those 4 days or so, the odds are even lower.

No, I'm not advocating going BB as sooner or later the odds will catch up with you. Either in terms of fatherhood or in terms of STDs. And if you do score a bullseye and get confirmation that the kid is yours, do the adult thing and make sure the mother and child are well taken care of. Once confirmed as the father, some guys discover they are made of a new element called Afraidium. It's yellow, tastes like chicken and runs easily. It is a situation that separates the true men from the wannabees. Nope, haven't been there myself as I do make sure to protect against both STD and DAD.

[Member #3439]

Puta Playa,

After those ropes of cum you shot in her hole there is a very good chance that you knocked her up and she's looking for you. Her friends probably know what you look like and when you show up at MBC the texting alert will go out. Legally there isn't much she can do but these girls don't go the legal route. What you need to worry about are the extrajudicial tactics mentioned. If you're the sentimental type you might want to drop by and rub her belly, see how that pregnancy is progressing. Up to you if you want to play a role in your baby's life, or not. You can't knock her up twice so if you are out to bareback again it's probably best to just repeat. What's done is done!Ah, I seriously doubt it. Especially based on the post right below. I'm not really buying the idea of the WGs not protecting with pills anyway. Maybe normal girls take such risk but there is no way WGs can be stupid enough to go without pills and then bareback without any extra incentive. I never paid the girls extra or promised them anything. I just told them it didn't feel good with the rubber, is it okay without? then it's like Okay, up to you. Even if they use rubbers they need the pill to ensure a broken rubber doesn't put them out of business. This seems obvious to me, no matter what the church is telling them they must be looking out for themselves. They always seem to in every other aspect.

My spiritual advisor and esteemed MNL contributor tells me in PM that there is nothing to worry about cause the girls do this all the time and no reason to skip MBC and mess up my plan, that on the off chance I might get detained by cops they can try to shake me down for money but can't keep me if they fail. But personally I never want to see a Manila cop again after the smoking arrest and attempted shakedown.

[RasSpewtin]

I'm not really buying the idea of the WGs not protecting with pills anyway. Maybe normal girls take such risk but there is no way WGs can be stupid enough to go without pills and then bareback without any extra incentive.Senor Puta:

Judging by the number of posts that you have on this board I can only assume that you have some experience in our sport. However, you are apparently completely disconnected with the mentality of Filipinas. There are many many single mothers working in AC, and a large percentage of them were knocked up by mongers. I can't count the number of times the girls have told me about the customer that got them pregnant. A large percentage of the girls are not using protection, partly due to Catholic upbringing and partly due to not enough sex education.

Your assumptions are full of ignorance, naivety, and strike me as arrogant. If you are going around having unprotected sex with these girls, then please be aware that you may well be leaving behond a trail of babies behind you. If you are OK with that, then there is a serious issue of morality and humanity here.

Sorry for the blast, but your post really hit a nerve with me.

Raz

[Chocha Monger]

Ah, I seriously doubt it. Especially based on the post right below. I'm not really buying the idea of the WGs not protecting with pills anyway. Maybe normal girls take such risk but there is no way WGs can be stupid enough to go without pills and then bareback without any extra incentive. I never paid the girls extra or promised them anything. I just told them it didn't feel good with the rubber, is it okay without? Then it's like Okay, up to you. Even if they use rubbers they need the pill to ensure a broken rubber doesn't put them out of business. This seems obvious to me, no matter what the church is telling them they must be looking out for themselves. They always seem to in every other aspect.

My spiritual advisor and esteemed MNL contributor tells me in PM that there is nothing to worry about cause the girls do this all the time and no reason to skip MBC and mess up my plan, that on the off chance I might get detained by cops they can try to shake me down for money but can't keep me if they fail. But personally I never want to see a Manila cop again after the smoking arrest and attempted shakedown.Well, maybe you didn't win the lottery this time but there is no way of knowing if your pearl rope bred her until you return to MBC. 1 in 5 odds of a life altering event are still pretty significant as freelancers are likely to work on their peak fertile days when they are most receptive to bareback sex. Also, it is true that you can bareback with reckless abandon impregnating random girls without much fear of being detained by the authorities. Like I said it's the extrajudicial consequences that you should worry about. The greatest legal risk comes from knocking up a married girl whose spouse decides to get the police involved. Other than that you're free to run your own sex tourism breeding program without fear of being obligated to support your offspring.

[Sammon]

Senor Puta:

Judging by the number of posts that you have on this board I can only assume that you have some experience in our sport. However, you are apparently completely disconnected with the mentality of Filipinas. There are many many single mothers working in AC, and a large percentage of them were knocked up by mongers. I can't count the number of times the girls have told me about the customer that got them pregnant. A large percentage of the girls are not using protection, partly due to Catholic upbringing and partly due to not enough sex education.

Your assumptions are full of ignorance, naivety, and strike me as arrogant. If you are going around having unprotected sex with these girls, then please be aware that you may well be leaving behond a trail of babies behind you. If you are OK with that, then there is a serious issue of morality and humanity here.

Sorry for the blast, but your post really hit a nerve with me.

RazNever bareback a working girl especially take out from MBC. It is for your safety. MBC is monger central and mostly caters to foreign mongers who monger anywhere in the world and bring unwanted surprises to Phi.

These girls will agree for anything as long as the money is there. As for as they are concerned they do not seem to be bothered about getting pregnant. Ofcourse mom and other family members are there to care for the baby.

As for child support I do not think they themselves know who the father is unless you keep her for a few days and give all your info.

Only girls I bareback are the ones I met through Dia and I come to know them. Initially I never bareback. Usually I put her on the pill. It is easily available and just make sure the girl goes to get it alone. Pharmacists

May say no if they see somebody else with her.

[MadisonGuy]

Puta I think you're way over thinking the situation. Just live your life and enjoy yourself. If you're that worried just go to Havana instead of MBC. I never saw the same girl twice on my last trip, you also have to realize that Manila is like a HUGE city, good luck tracking someone down there. Even if you're a white guy in a sea of asians I think you'll be just fine. Personally I think it a bonus to spread my seed, but I wouldn't do it with a girl in MBC more girls I meet in a normal situation or get them to get tested which they seem pretty fine with. I only see positives to creating a bunch of juniors, compared to the US where you'd get a 10k bill from dr. And then child support for the rest of your life. I'm actually planning my next baby making trip in a week or two. Ha ha

[Member #3439]

The consensus here and in PM seems to be that these girls can't touch you unless it's something that they planned with a cop in advance to shake you down for money. And if she sees you and tries to bring some charge, the cops don't want to hear it.

Its nice to understand the cultural context that P4P happens in. Finding and fucking girls in MNL is the easy part. It's all the stuff that goes along with it that is complicated.

[WestCoast1]

Finding and fucking girls in MNL is the easy part. It's all the stuff that goes along with it that is complicated.Drama. Part of pinay life seems to be the drama. If you chat them online before meeting, they tend to bring to you the parts of life where they need help (usually involves money). If one hits on you in the mall, she will mention she's trying to get her phone out of the pawn shop (or momma needs surgery). Always the same drama. If you don't send her the money, you don't really love her (more drama). Its a more drama-oriented way of attaining punani than elsewhere.

[Slippery]

If you sleep with dogs you're going to get fleas.

[FreebieFan]

Thanks for your sympathy CS, it is indeed a heavy burden to bear.

There is, I think another category of guys among the permanent residents here, and for want of a better term, I call them "opportunists," in which category I would likely include myself. These are guys who have relatively "normal" lives here; get up and go to work every day, come home to dinner and a glass of wine in the evening, and who are probably sustaining long-term relationships that they enjoy. They are not proactive, and thus rarely look for extra curricular sexual opportunity, but are not averse to taking advantage of it if it presents itself, and it does tend to present itself here with a certain amount of consistent regularity. It's been my experience that the expats who actually work here, and who have thus made the country their home, strive for a reasonable degree of Western "normalcy" in their lives. To succumb to the endless supply of young, attractive women risks jeopardizing the normalcy and allowing one's life to go slightly off the rails. That is to risk losing one's center. If I were to immerse myself in the endless chances for screwing that exist here, I would severely weaken my ability to do my job every day, thus threatening my livelihood. GETotally agree with you here GE. I've lived in many countries now, including Philippines.

When I was in Manila, I would be the good boy, working and living as normal. Maybe an afternoon massage here and there, the odd Sogo visit during daytime but nothing too much. If wife went overseas then I was in Burgos often and Sogo often but still returning home pre midnight so maid could report all was normal.

I saw these exactly as you state, as "opportunities".

However 3 times I have turned dwon good transfer opportunities to work in Bangkok. I know for a fact that I would "go off the rails" and lose all sense of proportion there. I think its to do with the fact that the sex is so open, so ubiquitous and so accepted. Recent trip there and a friend was telling me how hes paying for not one but two apartments where his mistresses are. Goes home once a week. Totally off the rails. I preferrred the Manila normalcy even though I found many opportunities for misbehaviour LOL. And of course, yesterday being Chinese New Year in Taipei, I found a great opportunity with a Filipina LOL. Ok back to work now.

[Pute Nut]

Only girls I bareback are the ones I met through Dia and I come to know them.Me, I just get to know them to come.


Usually I put her on the pill. It is easily available and just make sure the girl goes to get it alone. Pharmacists

May say no if they see somebody else with her.Never had any probs buying pills in PI, and I've bought a shitload of them. Just hand the pharmacy a piece of paper with the name (s). Sending a filipina alone to buy pills can actually screw things up, in addition to making her feel uncomfortable. A far as important things regarding pinays and pills: make (visually) sure that she actually takes them! Happy BB.

[Traveller China]

Personally I think it a bonus to spread my seed. I only see positives to creating a bunch of juniors. I'm actually planning my next baby making trip in a week or two. Ha haMadisonguy, I have no intention of making this a flame-out. The above is disturbing and depraved on so many levels. UNLESS of course, you do take care of the consequences. An earlier poster stated that leaving 100% of the consequences to the woman left behind is immoral, and I can subscribe to that. Other posters have also stated that they do head off to the US Embassy once it is proven that the child is theirs. Once the paperwork is in order, you at least know you have not condemned your very own offspring to a life running through the gutters of Manila or on a bed with her legs spread while another guy plans and plants a junior in her.

Just like in football and hockey, don't play the game if you're afraid of getting hit

[GoodEnough]

Totally agree with you here GE. I've lived in many countries now, including Philippines.

However 3 times I have turned dwon good transfer opportunities to work in Bangkok. I know for a fact that I would "go off the rails" and lose all sense of proportion there. I think its to do with the fact that the sex is so open, so ubiquitous and so accepted. Recent trip there and a friend was telling me how hes paying for not one but two apartments where his mistresses are. Goes home once a week. Totally off the rails. I preferrred the Manila normalcy even though I found many opportunities for misbehaviour LOL. And of course, yesterday being Chinese New Year in Taipei, I found a great opportunity with a Filipina LOL. Ok back to work now.I hear you, but I don't think I'd be strong enough to turn down Bangkok. I worked there years ago and it's without doubt the best city in which I've ever worked or played. Most of the guys I know who work there hit the soaps once or twice a week during the middle of the day, or once in a while will develop a sudden business-related need to dash off to another "harmless" Thai city and then make a made dash to Pattaya for a couple of days. I agree that the temptations in Bangkok are well beyond my meager capacity to resist, but I think there are ways of managing the capitulation so that you can still live relatively normally.

GE

[Chocha Monger]

Madisonguy, I have no intention of making this a flame-out. The above is disturbing and depraved on so many levels. UNLESS of course, you do take care of the consequences. An earlier poster stated that leaving 100% of the consequences to the woman left behind is immoral, and I can subscribe to that. Other posters have also stated that they do head off to the US Embassy once it is proven that the child is theirs. Once the paperwork is in order, you at least know you have not condemned your very own offspring to a life running through the gutters of Manila or on a bed with her legs spread while another guy plans and plants a junior in her.

Just like in football and hockey, don't play the game if you're afraid of getting hitTC,

The attraction breeding impoverished Third World women holds for most mongers is the fact that they can walk away leaving 100% of the burden, financial and otherwise, to the impregnated girls and no one back home would know about it. The truth is the majority of mongers would not so readily engage in interracial sexual reproduction back in their homeland.

[Henski]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me of a few places I can go during the day to get some full service? Any soapies in the area? I think I will be staying near the Mega Mall. I can't bring any girls to the hotel room.

Thanks for your help!Hey man, only place I know near is at top Madison place, on pioneer st. I'm trying to remember name, but google massage in madison place.

Pioneer st about 10 mins south by bus from megamall, next to boni mrt

[X Man]

Cm, you are starting to go off the deep end.

I haven't had a mono racial relationship for twenty years or so.

QUOTE=Chocha Monger; 1185178]TC,

The attraction breeding impoverished Third World women holds for most mongers is the fact that they can walk away leaving 100% of the burden, financial and otherwise, to the impregnated girls and no one back home would know about it. The truth is the majority of mongers would not so readily engage in interracial sexual reproduction back in their homeland.[/QUOTE]

[MauiDude]

Ah, I seriously doubt it. Especially based on the post right below. I'm not really buying the idea of the WGs not protecting with pills anyway. Maybe normal girls take such risk but there is no way WGs can be stupid enough to go without pills and then bareback without any extra incentive. I never paid the girls extra or promised them anything. I just told them it didn't feel good with the rubber, is it okay without? then it's like Okay, up to you. Even if they use rubbers they need the pill to ensure a broken rubber doesn't put them out of business.All of the working girls I know do not take pills unless they had a boyfriend or other that got her started on pills.

I know a lot of them also.

And I have some girls say just :cum on my stomach. Don't cum inside"

I mostly have steady girls now and don't do very many short time girls. So its really up to me.

With all of them I have had to get them started on pills and do a good hygiene check.

98% of them will do it without condoms/

I don't want to belittle the girls but they are undereducated or they are just taught not to do any birth control by the church.

The church even teaches them not to wear condoms. That it is a sin. (some of the priests and church leaders in Philippines)

I think its more of undereducated and also financial. They will not spend the money on the pills

[WestCoast1]

All of the working girls I know do not take pills unless they had a boyfriend or other that got her started on pills.

I think its more of undereducated and also financial. They will not spend the money on the pillsConcur. I think a gent said previously that the pills are cheap. To whom? The girls can rarely afford them. Its easy for one of us to start the girl on them, or if she has foreign guy sending money. But the wg I know don't use them because they don't like paying for them.

[Liondale]

Met this girl through DIA, not much conversation with her there but she gave me her YM user name, after a "Hi" and "how are you". I usually take that as a sign that the girl is somewhat experienced in what she is doing and quite available.

So when I saw her online in YM I clicked to view her webcam, and to my surprise she was performing a little striptease. Obviously for someone else as I hadn't even said Hi yet. After the striptease the cam went off and she confirmed that she wasn't aware I had watched. My bet is she didn't recognize my username, probably has hundreds of guys in her YM.

But after a couple of messages she asked if I would pay her to show her cam again, I said no but I can pay her to come to my room. She asked how much, and I thought I would try my luck and offered 1500. She said cheap but didn't haggle anymore.

When I called to confirm later at night, she said she wanted to bring a friend. I said I didn't want a friend but she insisted and said they would just share the money, and give me massage and sex. I double confirmed this with her and gave in.

When they arrived I noticed the friend was not very pretty, but ok enough. They were acting a bit weird, half nervous not sure how to explain, kinda trying to be cool but you could sense they were not. Minor things though, like the DIA girl started pulling my clothes off as I was walking towards the bathroom for a shower, and when I said I will do this myself and continued walking I almost had to physically prevent her from taking my clothes. When I was in the bathroom and getting undressed, they both entered without knocking and again started touching my clothes that I had now folded at the sink. I started checking on my valuables and made sure I could control those all the time. I got a bad vibe, and maybe should have called it off, but I was thinking maybe they were just nervous or had been ripped off before.

Massage started, was quite crap, don't think they had any clue on how to give a massage. But after about 10 minutes they asked me to turn on my back and soon after they started giving my a BBBJ. The BBBJ was good and they alternated when I asked them, one licking my balls and the other giving head. All good, neither took off their clothes, the DIA girl only took off here t-shirt and bra, the other kept her dress on. When I asked if I could fuck either of them they declined, the DIA girl said I could do her later in the week but she had the period now. Didn't bother me much as the BJ's were good.

After finishing with a CIM on the dia girl, and getting ready to pay, I noticed they were again a bit awkward, eyeing me as I was putting on my pants and checking my pockets, usually the girls don't want to actually see me pull out the money and tend to prefer a more subtle way of handing them the money. But again I assumed maybe these had been ripped off before so I pulled out the 1500 and gave to the non-dia girl. She put on an angry face and said this is not enough! I said this is what we agreed. Then they both came towards me and said no no, this is for massage only, you have to pay for sex too, and that I had to pay each of them for the sex. 3000 each. A long discussion continued, I was getting upset and explained that this was not the deal, and that I not even wanted the friend to be there, that I only allowed it since the DIA girl had said the price would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.

[MauiDude]

Met this girl through DIA, not much conversation with her there but she gave me her YM user name, after a "Hi" and "how are you". I usually take that as a sign that the girl is somewhat experienced in what she is doing and quite available.

So when I saw her online in YM I clicked to view her webcam, and to my surprise she was performing a little striptease. Obviously for someone else as I hadn't even said Hi yet. After the striptease the cam went off and she confirmed that she wasn't aware I had watched. My bet is she didn't recognize my username, probably has hundreds of guys in her YM.

But after a couple of messages she asked if I would pay her to show her cam again, I said no but I can pay her to come to my room. She asked how much, and I thought I would try my luck and offered 1500. She said cheap but didn't haggle anymore.

When I called to confirm later at night, she said she wanted to bring a friend. I said I didn't want a friend but she insisted and said they would just share the money, and give me massage and sex. I double confirmed this with her and gave in.

Massage started, was quite crap, don't think they had any clue on how to give a massage. But after about 10 minutes they asked me to turn on my back and soon after they started giving my a BBBJ. The BBBJ was good and they alternated when I asked them, one licking my balls and the other giving head. All good, neither took off their clothes, the DIA girl only took off here t-shirt and bra, the other kept her dress on. When I asked if I could fuck either of them they declined, the DIA girl said I could do her later in the week but she had the period now. Didn't bother me much as the BJ's were good.

Would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.So they extorted money from you. I have had some issues with some girls like that. But not that bad.

First I would be freaked about the police coming. Because once the police are there. It just gets worse for you?

And you need to pay the police money also? Or worse?

I just hope I don't meet them or anyone like them. The worse I had was when the girl wanted to upsell.

And I got mad at her and told her she could leave. I had another filipina friend with me so maybe that helped me?

As I had a good witness on my side. Yes there are some real scorpions out here.

I think they are the same as a rob. (same as robbery). Only worse if they want to get the police involved. ?

Maybe they were bluffing? But maybe they know the ropes and can make up any story and you being the foreigner they.

Have a big advantage over us.

I go on dia but careful of how I meet the girl and maybe wait to see them more then once before I take them.

And if I get bad vibes I walk.

Thanks for the information. I wil try to avoid these girls

[X Man]

Had two gals from the old LA cafe play the same trick. I gave an extra 500. They continuted with their charade. I just went ballistic, fukin out of control angry. And they left. It works for me because I don't have to act too much to achieve this kind of road rage. I'm a red blooded American and I enjoy anger.

Take one gal. It works better that way. Play the steely eyed Clint Eastwood style, I'll kill you if you take one step further. Call the security people if you have to. They are bored and would love to throw out a few ho's. Your personality type might not fit here, so adjust as necessary.

These gals will play on your fear, to their advantage. Think about it? You run from an aggressive dog and it will bite you. You give a puppy a little love and it will love you (almost) forever.


After finishing with a CIM on the dia girl, and getting ready to pay, I noticed they were again a bit awkward, eyeing me as I was putting on my pants and checking my pockets, usually the girls don't want to actually see me pull out the money and tend to prefer a more subtle way of handing them the money. But again I assumed maybe these had been ripped off before so I pulled out the 1500 and gave to the non-dia girl. She put on an angry face and said this is not enough! I said this is what we agreed. Then they both came towards me and said no no, this is for massage only, you have to pay for sex too, and that I had to pay each of them for the sex. 3000 each. A long discussion continued, I was getting upset and explained that this was not the deal, and that I not even wanted the friend to be there, that I only allowed it since the DIA girl had said the price would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.

[Chocha Monger]

Met this girl through DIA, not much conversation with her there but she gave me her YM user name, after a "Hi" and "how are you". I usually take that as a sign that the girl is somewhat experienced in what she is doing and quite available.

So when I saw her online in YM I clicked to view her webcam, and to my surprise she was performing a little striptease. Obviously for someone else as I hadn't even said Hi yet. After the striptease the cam went off and she confirmed that she wasn't aware I had watched. My bet is she didn't recognize my username, probably has hundreds of guys in her YM.

But after a couple of messages she asked if I would pay her to show her cam again, I said no but I can pay her to come to my room. She asked how much, and I thought I would try my luck and offered 1500. She said cheap but didn't haggle anymore.

When I called to confirm later at night, she said she wanted to bring a friend. I said I didn't want a friend but she insisted and said they would just share the money, and give me massage and sex. I double confirmed this with her and gave in.

When they arrived I noticed the friend was not very pretty, but ok enough. They were acting a bit weird, half nervous not sure how to explain, kinda trying to be cool but you could sense they were not. Minor things though, like the DIA girl started pulling my clothes off as I was walking towards the bathroom for a shower, and when I said I will do this myself and continued walking I almost had to physically prevent her from taking my clothes. When I was in the bathroom and getting undressed, they both entered without knocking and again started touching my clothes that I had now folded at the sink. I started checking on my valuables and made sure I could control those all the time. I got a bad vibe, and maybe should have called it off, but I was thinking maybe they were just nervous or had been ripped off before.

Massage started, was quite crap, don't think they had any clue on how to give a massage. But after about 10 minutes they asked me to turn on my back and soon after they started giving my a BBBJ. The BBBJ was good and they alternated when I asked them, one licking my balls and the other giving head. All good, neither took off their clothes, the DIA girl only took off here t-shirt and bra, the other kept her dress on. When I asked if I could fuck either of them they declined, the DIA girl said I could do her later in the week but she had the period now. Didn't bother me much as the BJ's were good.

After finishing with a CIM on the dia girl, and getting ready to pay, I noticed they were again a bit awkward, eyeing me as I was putting on my pants and checking my pockets, usually the girls don't want to actually see me pull out the money and tend to prefer a more subtle way of handing them the money. But again I assumed maybe these had been ripped off before so I pulled out the 1500 and gave to the non-dia girl. She put on an angry face and said this is not enough! I said this is what we agreed. Then they both came towards me and said no no, this is for massage only, you have to pay for sex too, and that I had to pay each of them for the sex. 3000 each. A long discussion continued, I was getting upset and explained that this was not the deal, and that I not even wanted the friend to be there, that I only allowed it since the DIA girl had said the price would be the same. They threatened to call the police and the hotel, which I didn't take seriously, doubt that would have benefit them. I ended up giving them 2000 each, which they still did not think was enough, but after a few heated verbal exchanges I guess they gave up. Remarkably the DIA girl asked me to call her so we could meet up again on Friday! Like my ass I will.

Anyways, if you guys want the contact to the DIA girl, her username is: aubrey_miles292000.

Her face is about 6. 5-7 of 10.

Body not bad, she might show you on webcam, although she claimed she had guys paying her for that.

BBBJ was good.

The friend was 4. 5-5 of 10.

I was considering if I should have just given them the 1500 and thrown them out, but guess I am too much of a softy for those kind of things. Was disappointed though, although it is the first kind of trouble like this I have had in the Phils.Act like a brand new pussy in Manila and you will get fucked! DIA is home to con artists and ladyboys looking to rip off foreigners. There were lots of warning signs that you ignored. First off the photo used in her DIA profile is a fake. The cam show incident revealed that she was a cam ho after easy money. When she called you cheap that was your cue to cease contact. You should never do anything you don't feel comfortable with. You didn't want her to bring her friend but she insisted and you caved in to her demand. She was calling the shots and you were along for the ride. Then in the room she started manhandling you pulling your clothes off when told her to stop. They entered the bathroom without knocking and started going through your clothes and instead of throwing them out you went deeper into the shit. You didn't even see any pussy so you're not even sure that it wasn't two ladyboys sucking your cock. Then you let them play you for 4, 000 pesos for a blowjob when the deal was for 1, 500 pesos for a fuck. The worst part of it all is that you suggest other mongers can contact the DIA con artist for similar treatment.

I recommend that other guys steer clear of those two unless you would like to teach them a lesson. Here is the link to the profile http://www.dateinasia.com/aubrey_miles292000.html

[Liondale]

So they extorted money from you. I have had some issues with some girls like that. But not that bad.

Maybe they were bluffing? But maybe they know the ropes and can make up any story and you being the foreigner they.

Thanks for the information. I wil try to avoid these girlsThanks, I definitely think they were just bluffing about the police. But I felt I either had to physically remove them from the room or try to negotiate some sort of compromise.

[Liondale]

Act like a brand new pussy in Manila and you will get fucked! DIA is home to con artists and ladyboys looking to rip off foreigners. There were lots of warning signs that you ignored. First off the photo used in her DIA profile is a fake. The cam show incident revealed that she was a cam ho after easy money. When she called you cheap that was your cue to cease contact. You should never do anything you don't feel comfortable with. You didn't want her to bring her friend but she insisted and you caved in to her demand. She was calling the shots and you were along for the ride. Then in the room she started manhandling you pulling your clothes off when told her to stop. They entered the bathroom without knocking and started going through your clothes and instead of throwing them out you went deeper into the shit. You didn't even see any pussy so you're not even sure that it wasn't two ladyboys sucking your cock. Then you let them play you for 4, 000 pesos for a blowjob when the deal was for 1, 500 pesos for a fuck. The worst part of it all is that you suggest other mongers can contact the DIA con artist for similar treatment.

I recommend that other guys steer clear of those two unless you would like to teach them a lesson. Here is the link to the profile.

http://www.dateinasia.com/aubrey_miles292000.htmlHi CM, I have to agree with you also think I handled it very lousy. The profile pic is not fake though, although she has photoshopped it on to some mag template, it is her pic.

Well, I have learned my lesson, not mongered that much in Manila, but this was my first bad experience and will follow my gut feeling and be less polite next time. The lack of fuck didn't bother me much I actually prefer getting BJ's and these two doing it together wasn't bad, it was only the argument about the pay afterwards that completely messed it up.

Anyways, please understand that I am not suggesting that people should contact her for similar treatment, but now when I have exposed her tricks, you could probably have some fun with her if you so inclined.

Anyways, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometimes it rains.

[Chocha Monger]

Hi CM, I have to agree with you also think I handled it very lousy. The profile pic is not fake though, although she has photoshopped it on to some mag template, it is her pic.

Well, I have learned my lesson, not mongered that much in Manila, but this was my first bad experience and will follow my gut feeling and be less polite next time. The lack of fuck didn't bother me much I actually prefer getting BJ's and these two doing it together wasn't bad, it was only the argument about the pay afterwards that completely messed it up.

Anyways, please understand that I am not suggesting that people should contact her for similar treatment, but now when I have exposed her tricks, you could probably have some fun with her if you so inclined.

Anyways, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose and sometimes it rains.Liondale, there is nothing wrong with being polite. I've never had to resort to the obscene when dealing with Filipino crooks and their bullshit but being firm and showing obvious displeasure gets the message across. In Manila it is particularly wise to go with your gut instinct and bail if you notice suspicious behavior or a contact starts insisting on conditions that you do not feel comfortable with. You might want to stick to the bars if you don't feel hardened enough to deal with dodgy freelancers. Don't be scared to call hotel security and have your guests removed if they start making threats. Be sure to give the guards a nice tip.

[Devils 1]

By necessity, referring my topic from a month ago, where some girls from MBC wanted rubbers and I asked them to BB because I logically thought they would not say yes unless they were on the pill. Then after having sex BB with me 2 days in a row one opened my eyes by threatening to 'find me' if she got pregnant.

I plan to be back in Manila shortly. I need to visit MBC, as that's part of the reason for stopping in Manila. But I am a little concerned that maybe one of the girls did get knocked up, could still be working there, and happens to recognize me. I don't know what she meant by 'find me'. Like what was she going to do if she found me anyway? Is there any recourse for her, like could a girl call the police and have me detained for testing? I am guessing the girls won't remember my face, since WGs never seem to remember guys for long. Plus these girls don't work there all the time. Maybe 2-3 nights a week. So my chance of even seeing them is low. If one does recognize me and tries to scam me for money, I will deal with that no problem. However if she gets pissed and there is some law she can use against me, like to have me detained, I have to reassess my trip plan and skip Manila. Is anyone familiar with these aspects of the Phillipines law?Puta, I was in MBC on Saturday night. You better be careful, when I approached the door there were two angry and tough looking Filipino guys there with machetes and guns. As I approached they held a picture up to my face and compared it. The picture was real faded like it had been shot with a cellphone. I asked what they were doing. They said "we looking for Puta Playa." I said "who is that and why are you looking for him." They said "he shot thick ropes of pearls into our cousin and now she's pregnant. With triplets!" So if you go back there I would wear a disguise like a fake beard or maybe a rubber nose and glasses. (in case you can't tell Puta I am joking)

[Fast Eddie 48]

Thanks, I definitely think they were just bluffing about the police. But I felt I either had to physically remove them from the room or try to negotiate some sort of compromise.Liondale,

Sorry to hear about your problem I have problem with a girl that I pick up at MBC a few year ago, she wanted more money than we agree on and refuse to leave and call her friend, I told her go ahead and will not back down and told her I will give her one minute to get the f out or I will call the hotel security and she hit the door fast.

Fast Eddie 48

[Strikesfun]

Been going to the Philippines Manila, AC, Cebu, etc. When it comes to MBC or Angles some of the girls are there for years. Better part even if they are not there and a friend of theirs see that you are there a message goes out and any past girl you were will be there in as fast as she can. They have a better communication system than anyplace in the world and a memory that will never forget.


Puta, I was in MBC on Saturday night. You better be careful, when I approached the door there were two angry and tough looking Filipino guys there with machetes and guns. As I approached they held a picture up to my face and compared it. The picture was real faded like it had been shot with a cellphone. I asked what they were doing. They said "we looking for Puta Playa." I said "who is that and why are you looking for him." They said "he shot thick ropes of pearls into our cousin and now she's pregnant. With triplets!" So if you go back there I would wear a disguise like a fake beard or maybe a rubber nose and glasses. (in case you can't tell Puta I am joking)Originally Posted by Puta Playa

By necessity, referring my topic from a month ago, where some girls from MBC wanted rubbers and I asked them to BB because I logically thought they would not say yes unless they were on the pill. Then after having sex BB with me 2 days in a row one opened my eyes by threatening to 'find me' if she got pregnant.

I plan to be back in Manila shortly. I need to visit MBC, as that's part of the reason for stopping in Manila. But I am a little concerned that maybe one of the girls did get knocked up, could still be working there, and happens to recognize me. I don't know what she meant by 'find me'. Like what was she going to do if she found me anyway? Is there any recourse for her, like could a girl call the police and have me detained for testing? I am guessing the girls won't remember my face, since WGs never seem to remember guys for long. Plus these girls don't work there all the time. Maybe 2-3 nights a week. So my chance of even seeing them is low. If one does recognize me and tries to scam me for money, I will deal with that no problem. However if she gets pissed and there is some law she can use against me, like to have me detained, I have to reassess my trip plan and skip Manila. Is anyone familiar with these aspects of the Phillipines law?

[Sammon]

Puta, I was in MBC on Saturday night. You better be careful, when I approached the door there were two angry and tough looking Filipino guys there with machetes and guns. As I approached they held a picture up to my face and compared it. The picture was real faded like it had been shot with a cellphone. I asked what they were doing. They said "we looking for Puta Playa." I said "who is that and why are you looking for him." They said "he shot thick ropes of pearls into our cousin and now she's pregnant. With triplets!" So if you go back there I would wear a disguise like a fake beard or maybe a rubber nose and glasses. (in case you can't tell Puta I am joking)LOL.

I thought the whole family was there including cousins, aunts and uncles looking for a free gravy.

[Enchoo]

Manila has too many traffic jams so hard to relax if you are trying to get away from stress at your original location!

I stayed in 24 H apartment hotel in Makati (breakfast included) with interesting architecture and clean double rooms for just $33 dollars through Agoda and very girl friendly. http://www.hotel24h.com.ph/ But don't book through this website but instead try agoda.

MBC had gorgeous girls but some girls did not negotiate honestly (she said in the bar that all night was 2, 500 pesos then she changes it to ST when we are in the hotel and she claims that she has a 4am appt in the hospital or she works the night shift. I could not complete my mission with her). So watch out for those shifty girls but I have no way to tell who is shifty / slick willie and who are honest.

I found with help of a sneaky taxi driver. Maliti (sp?) in the outside area in Makati had a hot 18 yo. Girl SWG but bad attitude when she got to the hotel. Still she was still hot so I was able to HE with her.

(Don't have to read if you know these facts already) Realize that when you make a DIA appointment with a Manila girl you have to tell her an hour earlier than the real meeting time because everyone in Manila is notoriously late (1 to 1. 5 hours) due to traffic or Phillipines ideas of time / plans. You have to be clear where you meet her because there are many SM malls and many Robinsons. SM Manila, SM South, SM Megamall in Shaw Blvd, SM North in / near Quezon. On average, my date was always 1. 2 hours late in our dates and I was usually 15-30 minutes late. I was unable to meet some DIA girls (they blamed me for the mixup) when I went one mall and they waited in another mall. The taxi drivers expect you to pay a tip if you can not give them exact change, if they (the drivers) get lost (surprised:?) , or if you have a girl with you. The DIA girls usually will ask you to pay their transportation costs in addition to dinner / date costs.

If you use a pay phone to a cell phone starting with 63- dial zero or 0 instead of 63. For the number of coins used and always asking for change in the phillippines it is better to just get a 1 week cell phone at the airport or just a text message sender / receiver device. Always explain what you are wearing and ask what they will wear so you don't have to look for them for 2 hours.

Girls love it when you are speaking their Tagalog language (Salamat = thank you) (Pasensya na = Sorry) (Ikaw ay matalino / maganda / mabait. You are smart / pretty / nice) When you are waiting for your extremely late date, make conversation with any hot people eating or just passing by like a lost tourist asking for directions and you can either stand-up your date (if they are sexy and hot enough) or just get their number and email to connnect again If you are contacting the DIA girls for dates start asking for their number 2 weeks before you come because many of them "have to think about it" or do not check their internet frequently enough. I missed the chance to connect with many girls because they did not give me their number or YM before I visited. This is my 2 pesos.

[Member #3439]

Puta, I was in MBC on Saturday night. You better be careful, when I approached the door there were two angry and tough looking Filipino guys there with machetes and guns.

So if you go back there I would wear a disguise like a fake beard or maybe a rubber nose and glasses. (in case you can't tell Puta I am joking) I'll just daze and confuse them by moonwalking, like the King of Pop-ping nuts, through the doors singing 'Those hooker girls were not my lovers, they just are girls who claim that I am the one, but the kids are not my sons."

I'll be back in MBC in a couple weeks. If I see that one hateful girl and she tries to bother me about anything related to pregnancy, I will post her here as a dragonlady so everyone knows that before barebacking her, take my strong advice, remember to always think twice... ;)

[Member #3439]

MBC had gorgeous girls but some girls did not negotiate honestly (she said in the bar that all night was 2, 500 pesos then she changes it to ST when we are in the hotel and she claims that she has a 4am appt in the hospital or she works the night shift. I could not complete my mission with her). So watch out for those shifty girls but I have no way to tell who is shifty / slick willie and who are honest.What time were you taking the girl out of MBC?

I took them out LT 2000p between 11 pm and 1 am last month even though they could smell my Manila cherry still rotting twixt my ears. One left at about 10 am, the other I had to ask to leave at 11 because I had to fly to Cebu. She wanted to stay all day. All services provided, bb cum inside, twice each, except for anal. I don't know about anal because I am no longer into sodomizing girls in my hotels..stinks up the room. And these girls worked hard humping me cowgirl a long time twice over for the 2000p because I cant seem to cum easily in P4P anymore.

I think 2000p is the upper end. 1500p max for ST. Other people are going lower.

In retrospect, I could have gone much lower. I spent lots of time in there, for lack of a better place to watch ~100 desperate girls, get massage, and drink beer at the same time. 80% of the girls seemed to not have any customers from 9 pm clear up until 2 am. Guys were there, but mostly just drinking, flirting and enjoying being god-like in the place. One of the not-so-good looking girls offered to do LT for 100p to cover food and a ride back to her home..haha. This is 20p less than the cost of a San Mig Light from the bar..haha. However, I did not take her up on that.

[SweetGirl]

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[WestCoast1]

What time were you taking the girl out of MBC?

I took them out LT 2000p between 11 pm and 1 am last month even though they could smell my Manila cherry still rotting twixt my ears. One left at about 10 am, the other I had to ask to leave at 11 because I had to fly to Cebu. She wanted to stay all day. All services provided, bb cum inside, twice each, except for anal. I don't know about anal because I am no longer into sodomizing girls in my hotels. Stinks up the room. And these girls worked hard Humping me cowgirl a long time twice over for the 2000p because I can't seem to cum easily in P4P anymore.

I think 2000p is the upper end. 1500p max for ST. Other people are going lower.

In retrospect, I could have gone much lower. I spent lots of time in there, for lack of a better place to watch 100 desperate girls, get massage, and drink beer at the same time. 80% of the girls seemed to not have any customers from 9 pm clear up until 2 am. Guys were there, but mostly just drinking, flirting and enjoying being god-like in the place. One of the not-so-good looking girls offered to do LT for 100p to cover food and a ride back to her home. Haha. This is 20p less than the cost of a San Mig Light from the bar. Haha. However, I did not take her up on that.I saw the same things at both MBC and G-Point. Most of the same girls at GP at 4pm. 8, and 11 (daily). No date. Always possible she did a very st and came back, but the idea that almost all of them were doing that is not likely. One girl in GP was 'the hottie', and she was making the rounds (between dancing) from guy to guy, no sale. I pulled her aside and said,"Your the hottie here. Why no date tonight? You been here since this afternoon." Her reply,"No date. Hard time." I told her I had a friend coming who might want her, and asked if she could LT for 1500: "Yes of course." Same, girls at MBC at 6pm. 9, and 1am. I also chatted some (and took others) in MBC who had been there all day, arriving most of them said about 10am, still there at 5pm, ready to go home, no date. They were happy for a ST or LT at almost any price. In fact when I asked how much they would go for,"You say." [as opposed to the usual highball of 2500-3000] I was not interested in that particular girl, so I said I had a friend coming who might be interested, and would she ST him for 1000?"Yes." Another girl said she would LT for 1300 (that's the lowball I tossed) with my friend if she could leave at 6am to get home to her son (it was 5:15pm). I found it interesting that none of the girls wanted to throw out a highball price to start with, nor to counter my lowball. One girl in GP was willing to ST for a cell phone.

Considering it was your first trip, your prices are fine (in fact, I chatted gents there paying over twice that, and thinking it a steal: "5000 is like a hundred g*dd*mned bucks and she spent like 10 hours with me!"). Probably 2000 is the going LT rate now, and 1500 for ST. I got two separate pairs of girls for three-somes on different occasions for 1000 each girl for ST. Both times, a single girl approached, and was very nice. When I explained what I was looking for, in detail, they were quick to go fetch a friend. In each case, they were looking to get home soon after the ST. Quite possibly I got those 1000 ST agreements quickly, without haggling, because I told the girls they would spend exactly 2 hours in my room following their shower, no more and no less time. In fact, all 4 girls seemed very happy with that: 2 hours only, p1000. I know my routine well. I spend an hour playing and photographing, and half an hour showering, uploading pics to my email, etc. I don't let the girls leave until I'm done with all of my personal business. Often they also are taking care of their personal biz, showering, makeup, etc. At the 2-hour mark, I'm walking them out the front door.

After, I asked one pair if they wanted to taxi back to MBC with me for more customers: "No we going home the jeep. We been here 9 this morning. Very tired." Both sets of girls exchanged phone numbers and asked for repeats, and offered other friends.

[Naughtygent]

Hi Guys.

Off to MNL tomorrow and was wondering if I could pick on your advice. I have been to both MBC and Havanas. Obviously Havanas is very close to my hotel (Ascott suites) However if Havanas is not up too much how much should I be looking at a cab down to MBC? If you can help out that would be great. I have RTFF but no idea of how much to pay and not get scammed on.

Cheers Naughty

[Love The Ladies]

Liondale,

Sorry to hear about your problem I have problem with a girl that I pick up at MBC a few year ago, she wanted more money than we agree on and refuse to leave and call her friend, I told her go ahead and will not back down and told her I will give her one minute to get the f out or I will call the hotel security and she hit the door fast.

Fast Eddie 48That day I negotiated 300 for ST and the girl agreed. (someone will always take 300 after being on the street for 15 hours and no hopes of a customer) Well 300 almost turned into 30, 000+.

After she got frantic, I kicked her out of my room, I walked around and got one of my favorite girls and her friend for a 3 some. 300 each.

Just as I arrived to my condo, the police were headed into towards my condo. The 2 new girls found this out before we went up to the room. They frantically said,"give me 500." At the time I thought I was foolish to do that. Yet that extra 500 saved me a week in jail or faced with having to think about giving a bribe. I"m American, so bribes will land me years in jail in America. Its something we can never do.

The 2 girls gave the 500 to the previous girl and every thing was fine. I wanted to give the 500 to the girl directly, but they advised me that the cops would fleece me for more. In hindsight, I was EXTREMELY WISE NOT to even see the Makati Police.

[Docwiltro]

Hi Guys.

Off to MNL tomorrow and was wondering if I could pick on your advice. I have been to both MBC and Havanas. Obviously Havanas is very close to my hotel (Ascott suites) However if Havanas is not up too much how much should I be looking at a cab down to MBC? If you can help out that would be great. I have RTFF but no idea of how much to pay and not get scammed on.

Cheers NaughtyAbout p200

[WestCoast1]

About p2001500-2000 will get you LT from either place.

[Member #3439]

That day I negotiated 300 for ST and the girl agreed. (someone will always take 300 after being on the street for 15 hours and no hopes of a customer) Well 300 almost turned into 30, 000+.

After she got frantic, I kicked her out of my room, I walked around and got one of my favorite girls and her friend for a 3 some. 300 each.

Just as I arrived to my condo, the police were headed into towards my condo. The 2 new girls found this out before we went up to the room. They frantically said,"give me 500." At the time I thought I was foolish to do that. Yet that extra 500 saved me a week in jail or faced with having to think about giving a bribe. I"m American, so bribes will land me years in jail in America. Its something we can never do.

The 2 girls gave the 500 to the previous girl and every thing was fine. I wanted to give the 500 to the girl directly, but they advised me that the cops would fleece me for more. In hindsight, I was EXTREMELY WISE NOT to even see the Makati Police.Ay, ay, ay. Thats what I thought I was getting into when the Ermita police hauled me off.

When I inquire about police consequences of knocking a girl up and leaving country, other people are saying the police don't give a damn about the plights or accusations of hookers, falls on deaf ears. So maybe your lady has friends on the force. It seems logical. All that it takes is a freebie once a while. Cops love dirty poon too. Just ask Barbie Cummings! I got a threat in Cebu. I was with 2 girls, then they threatened to call a cop uncle on me because of money. I was not willing to find out if they were bluffing. Even if it's not an uncle, maybe some cop they fuck once in a while. Don't people running illegal business always need friends in high places..and for these girls, no problem making the friends, I am sure!!!

Under what law could you be prosecuted in America? I know there are laws related to bribing foreign public officials for monetary gain, but what is this that you speak of? When they say America polices the world, they mean it is a very literal sense for the citizens, huh? I would venture a guess that if that law does exist, and you posted here that you had bribed, that would be a public admission of guilt and those spectators in the moral majority would see that USDOJ served Jackson with a request for your IP address. :) But since you simply paid these hooker 500 each for their legal representation on your behalf, it seems to me that your actions are as clean and pure as the driven snow. If Manila had snow!

[FreebieFan]

? When they say America polices the world, they mean it is a very literal sense for the citizens, huh?I didn't know they did that. Were they all taking a day off then last week in Tottenham? LOL

[FreebieFan]

you see the signs all over philippines saying "bawal umihi dito ". which means don't [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) here.

of course you also see men [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) near the sign so it doesn't do much good.

here's two guys though who won't be pissing near anyone or anything any more.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/41547/2-shot-dead-for-peeing-near-car

[HenryV]

Where is the "Havanas?"


About p200

[JonesHo44]

Was in Manila in April, and my first two experiences of the trip were not so great. I was on a short timeframe, and hired a streetwalker in Makati cheap but she was only willing to do CBJ and no sex "that time of month". The second was a girl from the internet named Yesha, who was OK but annoying because she was 1) trying to hustle me for as much money as she could 2) making me wait around while she sent a bunch of text messages and 3) trying to get me to hurry so she could leave.

The third night I asked taxi driver to take me to MBC / LA Cafe, where I've had OK luck in two previous visits. He was saying how things had gotten bad there, which I didn't believe. He wanted to take me to a Roxas blvd club (to get a cut of the fee) but I insisted on MBC becaue it was less expensive. He asked if I had heard of apartment girls, and I hadn't. It is an apartment building that contains alleged college students that are making extra money. I agreed to check it out, so I hesitantly walked into the ground floor of an apartment building (no idea where it is, but it had to be somewhere near MBC) and saw about 35 girls sitting on couches around a room. All were wearing lingerie, and I was told to pick one out. I picked a naturally busty one named Karel that was cute, and she went to change into street clothes. It was kind of odd to me that the remaining girls all applauded and cheered for her when she was selected. I negotiated with the guy at the door and ended up paying 4, 000 for LT and he assured me it was for all night. The first time I got a girl from MBC, I thought she had agreed to LT, but she said she needed to leave after only about an hour because something "came up". Anyways, I wanted something that would really be LT. We took the taxi back to the hotel (after the taxi driver got his cut, of course) , and "Karel" said that she was a nursing student.

She's a 7, short even for a Filipina, but with really great full natural breasts and a mischievious and playful look. She was playful and didn't speak a lot of English, but wanted to hold her body close to mine all night between pops. Went three times by morning, and it was a real GFE with BBBJ and we went in every kind of position. She seemed to like DATY and was a little shy but liked to joke around, which was fun. By the morning, I didn't want to mess with the possibility of ending on a bad note on my last day in the country, so I asked "Karel" to come back that night and gave her 300 for a taxi in the hope that she would return. She was more open that night, we went out for a drink and talked (as best we could). For some reason, she showed me her I'd and I saw here real name and that she was 21 years old, based on her birthdate from the I'd. That night was great, too, and she had warmed up and was more aggressive. Went three times that night, could hardly see straight and I was ruined for all other women. Maybe it is that way a lot for girls that do LT, but it was my first time for a real LT experience and it seriously made me wish that I lived in the Philippines.

[Dsinhou]

For any expert on burgos street, I for the life of me cannot remember the name of a place I went into. Maybe someone can help.

I had a car from the hotel and back, and this was a place where he dropped me in front of.

I think it was probably a little down market, but I have nothing to compare it to.

There were a couple of chairs and a table right outside the door, to the right as you go in. Upon entrance, there was a short hallway, from which you could see a stage at the end of the building / room. After the short hallway, there was a short hall to the right, leading to the head. There may have been a pool table back there, but I can't recall for sure.

The girls were hanging at tables in front of and to the right of the stage. There were a couple of tables / booths along the right wall. Just a couple or four 4 top tables in the middle, and then 3 or 4 booths along the left wall.

I sat in a booth, that you had to step up to get to, immediately to the left of the end of the entrance hall. The room was dark, but I think the booths were red. The booth was a horseshoe shape.

I know, it probably sounds like everyother bar in the area, but I thought I would try.

I say it was maybe downmarket, because I had two "helpers" the house mother, and the bar manager? I gave the bar manager maybe 500 or 1000, don't really remember, but he thought it was mana from heaven.

I can't recall more, as a number of heinekens and coronas were simply disappearing past my lips.

[El Greco]

He asked if I had heard of apartment girls, and I hadn't. It is an apartment building that contains alleged college students that are making extra money. I agreed to check it out, so I hesitantly walked into the ground floor of an apartment building (no idea where it is, but it had to be somewhere near MBC) and saw about 35 girls sitting on couches around a room. All were wearing lingerie, and I was told to pick one out.I was taken to a couple of places like the one you described but that was 25 years ago. I thought they were closed by now.

Does anyone else has some more info on that? I'll be passing from Manila early October.

Thanks

[Roycankor]

I negotiated with the guy at the door and ended up paying 4, 000 for LT and he assured me it was for all night.4000p for LT and then you paid the taxi guy his cut? Wow, you got taken for a ride. Good thing she was great.


Went three times that night, could hardly see straight and I was ruined for all other women. Maybe it is that way a lot for girls that do LT, but it was my first time for a real LT experience and it seriously made me wish that I lived in the Philippines.Welcome to PPPD, as someone told me after my first amazing adventure to PI."Soon your life will revolve around the roller coaster of fighting off the common disease of PPPD (post philippine pussy depression)". And the only cure is to plan for your next trip. (if you already haven't). Hahaha. Good luck to you mate.

[Soapy Smith]

She was playful and didn't speak a lot of EnglishThe pitch that they are college students is an effective appeal to the little head, but university instruction in the Philippines is in English, so this one probably wasn't a college student. She was perhaps once a student, but one who never got much beyond elementary school.

[Knobbyxx]

Hey everyone. Ok so I have been to Taiwan, China, Germany, Tijuana and Austria mongering. This is my first trip to Phil. And I will be goig to Manila.

My question is this, should I work something out with one of the DIA girls that I am chatting with? Or play it by ear and hit the clubs and bars in Manila? I am not sure where I will be staying yet, but I will be there in September. What do you guys suggest?

[MauiDude]

Hey everyone. Ok so I have been to Taiwan, China, Germany, Tijuana and Austria mongering. This is my first trip to Phil. And I will be goig to Manila.

My question is this, should I work something out with one of the DIA girls that I am chatting with? Or play it by ear and hit the clubs and bars in Manila? I am not sure where I will be staying yet, but I will be there in September. What do you guys suggest?Do it all. Why not. Meet girls from dia. And just be careful about getting stuck with one you don't want for the whole time.

Maybe move around to different hotels.

Check out p burgos?

And then it also depends on what you are looking for.

I meet girls everywhere and anywhere.

And when I find one I like then I take her travel and spend time with her.

When the drama starts or I need variety I look for another one.

Dating sites. The street the clubs. The stores; the malls friends.

Anywhere and everywhere

[X Man]

This has been covered before, but I will be happy to give a quick summary.

You can do both. I try to set up dates for lunch which give me plenty of time to reorganize in the evening. Even if a dinner date doesn't work out, you usually have time to hit the bars.

Guys might do the DIA route because they want to try out regular women (they aren't always so regular) or just want more of a GFE.

A problem is that it can be time consuming, especially in Manila where transportation is a headache. If you have a short holiday, you might want to skip the whole DIA thing. X.


Hey everyone. Ok so I have been to Taiwan, China, Germany, Tijuana and Austria mongering. This is my first trip to Phil. And I will be goig to Manila.

My question is this, should I work something out with one of the DIA girls that I am chatting with? Or play it by ear and hit the clubs and bars in Manila? I am not sure where I will be staying yet, but I will be there in September. What do you guys suggest?

[Mongerer69]

Hey everyone. Ok so I have been to Taiwan, China, Germany, Tijuana and Austria mongering. This is my first trip to Phil. And I will be goig to Manila.

My question is this, should I work something out with one of the DIA girls that I am chatting with? Or play it by ear and hit the clubs and bars in Manila? I am not sure where I will be staying yet, but I will be there in September. What do you guys suggest?The answer to your question is YES and YES. I would stay in Greenbelt area of Makati for safety, and ease of mongering. I like New World or Dusit but you can't really go wrong with any 3-4 Star hotel with a pool. Invite your DIA girl to lunch and tell her to bring her bathing suit so you can spend an afternoon at the pool. When it's time to change into the suit, it is Game Time. Works every time for me.

[D Cups]

In a shopping mall. Greenbelt 3.


Where is the "Havanas?"

[WestCoast1]

The answer to your question is YES and YES. I would stay in Greenbelt area of Makati for safety, and ease of mongering. I like New World or Dusit but you can't really go wrong with any 3-4 Star hotel with a pool. Invite your DIA girl to lunch and tell her to bring her bathing suit so you can spend an afternoon at the pool. When it's time to change into the suit, it is Game Time. Works every time for me.Doesn't matter where you stay, try M69's approach. Even if you don't get anywhere, call another one (have many contacts) if she doesn't pan out. There are always clubs to hit later.

[Imagemakers]

For any expert on burgos street, I for the life of me cannot remember the name of a place I went into. Maybe someone can help.You were in Bottoms Bar.

[Dsinhou]

Now that you say it, it does ring a bell. Thanks

[Mr Enternational]

He asked if I had heard of apartment girls, and I hadn't. It is an apartment building that contains alleged college students that are making extra money. I agreed to check it out, so I hesitantly walked into the ground floor of an apartment building (no idea where it is, but it had to be somewhere near MBC) and saw about 35 girls sitting on couches around a room. All were wearing lingerie, and I was told to pick one out.These are the casas. They are usually in houses though not apartment buildings, hence the name casa. 4000 pesos though? You must did not negotiate at all. The papasan will usually open the starting price at 3500 and you talk them down from there. To get to one simply hop into a taxi and tell them to take you to a casa. The drivers know where they all are.

[JonesHo44]

These are the casas. They are usually in houses though not apartment buildings, hence the name casa. 4000 pesos though? You must did not negotiate at all. The papasan will usually open the starting price at 3500 and you talk them down from there. To get to one simply hop into a taxi and tell them to take you to a casa. The drivers know where they all are.Thanks for the insights. I'll know what to ask the taxi driver for when I return. This papasan quoted 5000 to start for LT, and I probably should have pushed harder to go lower than 4000. I agree that the taxi drivers probably all know how to get to these places. The papasan gave the taxi driver some money before we left to pay him for bringing me there.

[Econo Tech]

Where is the "Havanas?"Havana? It is where it was. In Greenbelt.

Unless you want havainas *the shoe people.

[HenryV]

Never found a cab driver who knew where it was. Many times I could not find it, despite the best of directions.

Suggestions welcomed.

Lastly, I have heard it is for the younger crowd only, including foreigners. Any comments on that.


Havana? It is where it was. In Greenbelt.

Unless you want havainas *the shoe people.

[Member #4152]

Never found a cab driver who knew where it was. Many times I could not find it, despite the best of directions.

Suggestions welcomed.

Lastly, I have heard it is for the younger crowd only, including foreigners. Any comments on that.How is Havanas? Not a lot of buzz going around about it. Is it a go go?

[Manta Ray]

How is Havanas? Not a lot of buzz going around about it. Is it a go go?You must mean Cafe Havana. There are two of them in Manila: 1) The original one in Malate on Adriatico at Remedios Circle; 2) In Greenbelt 3 next to Starbucks. It is this one that the guys on this site will be referring to as it is awash with working girls, usually sitting at the tables outside, particularly later in the evening.

Manta Ray

[Escort Fan]

I have noticed that in Makati or at MBC there are pretty much no Filippino punters.

It's as if, those places are oriented towards (cheap) foreigners. (especially in case of LA café).

So I was wondering where do they pick up their talents, there must be places and web sites where they fill their needs!

[WestCoast1]

Never found a cab driver who knew where it was. Many times I could not find it, despite the best of directions.

Suggestions welcomed.

Lastly, I have heard it is for the younger crowd only, including foreigners. Any comments on that.Tell him: "Makati. Greenbelt Mall." If he asks which one, say "Three." Its inside G3, or the third wing in Greenbelt mall. Don't say "Havana Cafe", as he might start looking for some restraunt on the street. Its inside the mall, right next to Starbucks. Mostly the girls sit at outside tables, and they can be anything from ignoring you, to downright aggressive: "Sir, where you going sir?" and pulling your shirtsleeve or pantleg. If you are white, you will do fine there.

[Lalake]

I have noticed that in Makati or at MBC there are pretty much no Filippino punters.

It's as if, those places are oriented towards (cheap) foreigners. (especially in case of LA café).

So I was wondering where do they pick up their talents, there must be places and web sites where they fill their needs!Escort:

Trust me, as far as you're concerned, these places don't exist. If there were such places, the only reason they would exist would be for places that DON"T INCLUDE FOREIGNERS. I remember years ago (15+ years) going to a Filipino hangout in Angeles City (I speak almost fluent tagalog) and the Filipino guys kept telling me to leave "because if I wanted to get a bar girl to go somewhere else to get one. Not here!" Not to mention the fact that most girls who go to Filipino only hangouts want to meet filipinos. If the girl wants to meet foreigners, then she'll go to such places as mentioned here.

Also, your presumption of such places implies that there is a some kind of thriving middle class of Filipino that can support these expenses. There is only lower middle class (and lower class). And then the upper class. Lower middle class = those who work in respectable working jobs, such as department stores and hotels don't usually spend a week's salary for such things (think about what you make a week. And then imagine paying that for a shag).

The upper class have their own circles. And if they want an escort, its out paid out to at places like the KTVs or other contacts. Remember the KTVs have a lot filipinos but the last time I checked the LT bar fine rates there are high. Expect to pay well above 5000, and probably above 10k pesos.

This is what I know. Others who still live in the Phils may be able to modify my info, or add other details. Be happy with what's out there. Let me know if you learn more.

Cheers,

Lalake

[HenryV]

So the key is to say "Greenbelt Three"?

Funny, I have had a devil of a time, even the cab drivers do not seem to be familiar with it.

Every been to the one near Remedius Circle?


Tell him: "Makati. Greenbelt Mall." If he asks which one, say "Three." Its inside G3, or the third wing in Greenbelt mall. Don't say "Havana Cafe", as he might start looking for some restraunt on the street. Its inside the mall, right next to Starbucks. Mostly the girls sit at outside tables, and they can be anything from ignoring you, to downright aggressive: "Sir, where you going sir?" and pulling your shirtsleeve or pantleg. If you are white, you will do fine there.

[HenryV]

You are not going to discover some sub-culture where there are discount women and friendly Phil men.

Going to the PI now for almost 20 years and the best advice would be steer clear of Phil men, in any way, shape, or form. If they approach you it is either for trouble, or a scam they are working.

Take that to the bank.


Escort:

Trust me, as far as you're concerned, these places don't exist. If there were such places, the only reason they would exist would be for places that DON"T INCLUDE FOREIGNERS. I remember years ago (15+ years) going to a Filipino hangout in Angeles City (I speak almost fluent tagalog) and the Filipino guys kept telling me to leave "because if I wanted to get a bar girl to go somewhere else to get one. Not here!" Not to mention the fact that most girls who go to Filipino only hangouts want to meet filipinos. If the girl wants to meet foreigners, then she'll go to such places as mentioned here.

Also, your presumption of such places implies that there is a some kind of thriving middle class of Filipino that can support these expenses. There is only lower middle class (and lower class). And then the upper class. Lower middle class = those who work in respectable working jobs, such as department stores and hotels don't usually spend a week's salary for such things (think about what you make a week. And then imagine paying that for a shag).

The upper class have their own circles. And if they want an escort, its out paid out to at places like the KTVs or other contacts. Remember the KTVs have a lot filipinos but the last time I checked the LT bar fine rates there are high. Expect to pay well above 5000, and probably above 10k pesos.

This is what I know. Others who still live in the Phils may be able to modify my info, or add other details. Be happy with what's out there. Let me know if you learn more.

Cheers,

Lalake

[Jambo]

even the cab drivers do not seem to be familiar with it.Yeah that makes since, 'cause the cab drivers can't see Havana Cafe from their car. Places like Hard Rock, they've seen the signs at Glorietta.

[WestCoast1]

So the key is to say "Greenbelt Three"?

Funny, I have had a devil of a time, even the cab drivers do not seem to be familiar with it.

Every been to the one near Remedius Circle?Yes, say "Greenbelt Three Makati." Regardless of what city you are in (Pasay, Malate, Makati) , the taxi driver will to know which wing of the mall to drop you at. Once inside the mall, ask any employee where Havana Cafe or Starbucks is.

Bedrock Cafe is a good place for live band in Malate, on Adriatico St. Most cabbies know it, but sometimes not. Also say,"near to Remedios Circle", and once he has you at the circle its easy to find. Being able to say: "Near to blah blah" is a big help to cabbies. Also, street corners."On Faura near to corner Mabini."

[Manta Ray]

So the key is to say "Greenbelt Three"?

Funny, I have had a devil of a time, even the cab drivers do not seem to be familiar with it.

Every been to the one near Remedius Circle?Yes, I have been to the CH at Remedios Circle a number of times. It does not have outdoor seating, and it does not fill with WGs as does the CH at GB3, so the clientele is more couples on a date or groups of people. That said, the live music is good on weekends, the food is good, and Remedios Cirlce is nice lively area on weekend evenings, a lot of resto / bars and live music clubs in the area-all in all a good spot for a date. Worth checking out-and if you get bored there, MBC is a five min taxi ride away. BTW, the Filipino food at Adriatico Cafe just across the circle is very good.

Manta Ray

[Sxxxx]

So the key is to say "Greenbelt Three"?

Funny, I have had a devil of a time, even the cab drivers do not seem to be familiar with it.

Every been to the one near Remedius Circle?Key word is 'New World Hotel', get off there, and walk across road, to Cafe Havana. Ask Security Guards at front of GB3 and they will direct you.

After 10pm Fridays and Saturdays. Many not p4p there too. Enter inside CH where dancing and p4p will give you the eye.

[Escort Fan]

Escort:

The upper class have their own circles. And if they want an escort, its out paid out to at places like the KTVs or other contacts. Remember the KTVs have a lot filipinos but the last time I checked the LT bar fine rates there are high. Expect to pay well above 5000, and probably above 10k pesos.

This is what I know. Others who still live in the Phils may be able to modify my info, or add other details. Be happy with what's out there. Let me know if you learn more.

Cheers,

LalakeMy point is that. In Europe, there are serveral "layers" of prostitution.

You got street wakers at 30-50€

You have low to mid level escorts at 150€ ph.

You got high end escorts at 400-500 € ph.

And you have circles, with models, actresses etc at a much higher price.

Remember the scandal with the "Elite" model agency, and certain models such as Karen Mulder admitted escorting clients for 5K or 10K € I don't remember.

In the phils forum we mainly speak about the 1, 5k. 5K range, but as said by others there must be some girls at 10K. 20K. 30K per overnight.

I'm sure some Western (or Jap or Korean) clients won't mind paying such prices in order to meet the girls from the. PH edition of Playboy, or similar model type. Which doesn't exclude another day to go back to Burgos.

It's like for restaurants, you may mostly eat at cheap brasseries, or mcdo daily, but sometimes you might enjoy a couple of times per year going for El Buli, the Fat Duck, Robuchon etc. And pay 300 to 500€ for your meal.

I'm thinking, there must be something for let's say, the board of directors at BDO when they want to meet girls!

Clearly they aren't going to go at the nearest KTV or some random bar on Burgos (which is closer to their office.).

[HenryV]

Thank you, based on my previous attempts, you suggestion sounds a lot simplier.


Key word is 'New World Hotel', get off there, and walk across road, to Cafe Havana. Ask Security Guards at front of GB3 and they will direct you.

After 10pm Fridays and Saturdays. Many not p4p there too. Enter inside CH where dancing and p4p will give you the eye.

[Wjmpsr]

Does anyone know this girl. I had a pleasant experience with her. She is very cute, but her distinguishing characteristic is a large mole on her nose. I would like to contact her.

[Cunning Stunt]

In the phils forum we mainly speak about the 1, 5k. 5K range, but as said by others there must be some girls at 10K. 20K. 30K per overnight.

I'm sure some Western (or Jap or Korean) clients won't mind paying such prices in order to meet the girls from the. PH edition of Playboy, or similar model type. Which doesn't exclude another day to go back to Burgos.Wow, I cannot imagine what kind of Pinay would be worth 10k, let alone 30k.

A couple of years back a Filipino friend put me in touch with one of The Philippines top lingerie models. She is a stunningly beautiful girl who despite doing well, still turned the occasional trick to earn extra money. Usually seeing wealthy Pinoys or East Asians, I was (so she claimed) her first Westerner. Klaxons and bells should have been going off by this stage.

For 2 hours of her precious time I had to shell out 6 big ones in advance. I should have known when her introductory kiss left chill burns on my cheek. From that point things went swiftly downhill as she apparently determined that I was her first ebola infected customer. She gave me the worlds first no-contact BJ in which she decided that the blow in blow job was just that and the movement of air across my glans from her pretty mouth would be somehow sufficient to bring me to an explosive climax!

Sex was the nearest I'll ever get to an act of necrophilia. Needless to say she decided that after her ultimate sacrifice, she had to run off to go lie down in a darkened room. I knew just how she felt and was glad to see her go.

I had forgotten one of the unwritten laws of this game and this is that looks are in direct inverse proportion to performance. Whereas their less blessed sisters will often turn themselves inside out to pleasure you, the beautiful ones consider it sufficient to just lie there and look angelic.

Do yourself a favor and stick with the mingers:D.

[Sxxxx]

Does anyone know this girl. I had a pleasant experience with her. She is very cute, but her distinguishing characteristic is a large mole on her nose. I would like to contact her.All I can recall is she is a big Moll, LOL. No imperfections for me, only the best. Good on you, cause maybe her opportunities are limited. Obviously you do not concentrate on the negatives but accentuate the positives, cute, apart from the large mole. Sponsor her some plastic surgery, LOL. For sure ask the MBC girls they will know who you are talking about. Tell MBC girl to pass on message to her. Don't ask us, we are only interested in Molls. Good Luck.

[Escort Fan]

Wow, I cannot imagine what kind of Pinay would be worth 10k, let alone 30k.

A couple of years back a Filipino friend put me in touch with one of The Philippines top lingerie models. She is a stunningly beautiful girl who despite doing well, still turned the occasional trick to earn extra money. Usually seeing wealthy Pinoys or East Asians, I was (so she claimed) her first Westerner. Klaxons and bells should have been going off by this stage.

For 2 hours of her precious time I had to shell out 6 big ones in advance.Ah thanks for sharing those painful memories.

Well I was more thinking that I grew tired on meeting "cosette" type girls! (anyone familiar with the french culture will understand. I'm from swiss but native french speaker). Those girls who are killing my libido with their depressing stories. That would make ken loach movies look like a ben stiller comedy!

I would like to meet that sexy middle management girl who works at Shangri La Makati. That sexy single air hostess that works at cebu pacific or PAL.

In geneva you may meet such girls through agencies like Félines http://www.felines.ch/.

But it will cost you a LOT.

I'd like to have a similar offer in the Phils.

I'm quite many here would be willing to spend +- 8 to 10K to spend the night will one of these top girls!

After all, that's what you are already paying for a single night at Shangri La Makati.

At the same time I also perfectly understand those who won't move out of AC because Manila barfines cost 3K+ instead of 1, 5K in angeles. As said, some sleep at executive plaza in malate, some sleep at Shangri La or Hyatt.

Different budget, different expectations.

[FreebieFan]

145? Maybe not quite but theres surely been a lot of Manila weekends in my life and here's the ramblings and observations from another recently concluded weekend.

Arrived in my place at 4 am courtesy of Cebu Pacific. Turned the Manila phone on and went to bed knowing I had to be at airport at 9am.

Woke up at 8am to discover texts from a girl I hadn't seen in a year or more. Her texts were " Hi do you remember me" I Reply "yes". She says " its my brithday can you lend me money ". I reply " no". She replies " fuck off ". Sweet girl.

Anyways head to the airport to meet Ms Cebu. 19 and have had her with me on a couple of previous Manila trips. Girl is incredibly photogenic, up for anything, happy to wear all the slutwear I buy her with a smile and very sweet company. This was third time I've invited her and probably the last as I've done everything I want to do with her. But during our two days together, I got her naked in my car with pics of that, had her on the balcony of my place, fingered her whilst eating in Filling Station and many other nice moments and activities. She left with a smile especially as Freebies soft heart ran to a P3000 phone for her birthday. I figured a fair return for the 300 photos I have of her LOL.

I dropped her at airport two days later, and I thought I was headed to meet my Pampanga nurse. She was always on time previously, and had even sent me a ym message indicating she was heading for the bus. I waited and waited and she was a no show. No doubt I will get an explanation as to why soon. Anyways time for a rejig of the schedule.

Called up a Palawan girl who was visiting Manila and who seems to like me LOL. Met her in Taguig 45 minutes later. We had two hours in bed that was nice and satisfying then dropped her off. Headed to Howzat for a refreshing beverage with one of the senior members here which was a pleasant change from chasing pussy.

Left there to meet a girl who is from Las Pinas. We had had nice chats and one of her memorable chat lines was " I want to sing to you Freebie, before the fucking". Well I guess we both knew the evening would be fine. I went to the appointed meeting place, and after 3 minutes I get a tap on my shoulder. Theres a simply delightful slim petite lady in nice dress, nice make up, standing behind me with a really nice smile. Knew it would be a long night! We had something to eat, some drinks, then in a balcony reprise, stripped her, licked her and bonked her. Something of a turn on to fuck in the open air. (neighbours can't see ). And then she sang LOL. We then had sex throughout the night and had a realy nice morning session. Had breakfast and thanks to traffic she had a long and satisfying fingering as we drove down Mckinley. Before leaving she has asked if I could give her money. I asked why she's asking. She replies " my sister said I should ask you for money ". This girl isn't a player but clearly big sis is teaching her LOL. Anyways she's definately worth a repeat! She also said " Freebie I donht know why I'm so horny with you.". Must be my athletic figure that turned her on. LOL.

From there did some work, lunch and headed to my apartment for a sleep. Changed mind and called up massage girl. After 30 minutes of massge the girl did some touching of the balls etc. Asked for P1000, told her I would do it myself for that price, and we agreed on P500. She left and then I went to the mall to meet The Teacher. Had never met her before but she had indicated she would like to meet and it would be ok if we later went back to my place.

We met and she looks like a teacher. Teacher type uniform, serious face and maybe a bit nervous about meeting me. We head to my place, when I tell her I have to leave in three hours to the airport. This meant we spent 30 minutes on talking about life, and thereafter kisses, clothes off and mutiple orgasms for the girl. Girl had really nice hard firm boobs which was a nice change as both Ms Cebu, Ms Las Pinas and even Massage girl had kids and the resultant softer type of susu.

Said she never does this random meeting of strangers and I was the lucky one. Yeah honey heard that one a lot.

She did exclaim in mid orgasm " Freebie you are a great licker " Anyways we get dressed, drop her off adn head to airport. Go thru Customs and at the Xray inspection I am asked " do you have golf balls in your bag " I state I didn't have but did know what they were seeing on xray.

Showed them the glass dildo that has many ball type shapes on it. They took it out, the customs lady looked at then SMELT IT. I almost burst out laughing when she did this as not 60 minutes earlier this same toy had been deeply inserted in the teacher LOL. Anyways it passed the smell test and they returned to me. And that was Manila # 145.

[FreebieFan]

Further to my recently posted Manila trip report got a message from The Teacher as follows " I had a wonderful time Freebie. WOW you are so good I should say. That one we had beats the other experiences I got hahaha ".

Always nice to know that good work is appreciated. The only thing she didn't give me was an A star LOL.

[Member #4152]

Hey guys,

I'll be heading into Manila tomorrow and I was wondering what the weather report is going to be this weekend? How's the weather now?

[Orangevale Rob]

Freebie, I am like you, I would much rather have a freebie than a hooker, even if I end up having to pay as much for it in gifts and such. Can you give me some pointers on what you say to the girls to get them to sleep with you? I'm going to be in the country in November and want to maximize my chances.

Teach me, o' Teacher.

[FreebieFan]

Freebie, I am like you, I would much rather have a freebie than a hooker, even if I end up having to pay as much for it in gifts and such. Can you give me some pointers on what you say to the girls to get them to sleep with you? I'm going to be in the country in November and want to maximize my chances.

Teach me, o' Teacher.I think I should go into the consulting business and I think I just found my first client LOL.

1. Be nice in chat don't ask to see their tits. You already stand out from all the hopeless joes just by doing this.

2. Send sweet texts before your trip.

3. Make a few unexpected phone calls.

4. Ask their size so you can bring some gifts. Clothes can be really cheap in Asia, so you won't spend much. Bringing a pair of shoes (high heels with studs, straps etc is good for photos, good for an intro to the potential of slutwear and for sure will be an entry into bed and good times. It will also make for 5ft "shawty" more compatible in height. And if you can get her to wear the shoes in bed might be a turn on too.

5. Lots more but thats enough for now. LOL.

[Member #4152]

145? Maybe not quite but theres surely been a lot of Manila weekends in my life and here's the ramblings and observations from another recently concluded weekend.

Arrived in my place at 4 am courtesy of Cebu Pacific. Turned the Manila phone on and went to bed knowing I had to be at airport at 9am.

Woke up at 8am to discover texts from a girl I hadn't seen in a year or more. Her texts were " Hi do you remember me" I Reply "yes". She says " its my brithday can you lend me money ". I reply " no". She replies " fuck off ". Sweet girl.

Anyways head to the airport to meet Ms Cebu. 19 and have had her with me on a couple of previous Manila trips. Girl is incredibly photogenic, up for anything, happy to wear all the slutwear I buy her with a smile and very sweet company. This was third time I've invited her and probably the last as I've done everything I want to do with her. But during our two days together, I got her naked in my car with pics of that, had her on the balcony of my place, fingered her whilst eating in Filling Station and many other nice moments and activities. She left with a smile especially as Freebies soft heart ran to a P3000 phone for her birthday. I figured a fair return for the 300 photos I have of her LOL.

I dropped her at airport two days later, and I thought I was headed to meet my Pampanga nurse. She was always on time previously, and had even sent me a ym message indicating she was heading for the bus. I waited and waited and she was a no show. No doubt I will get an explanation as to why soon. Anyways time for a rejig of the schedule.

Called up a Palawan girl who was visiting Manila and who seems to like me LOL. Met her in Taguig 45 minutes later. We had two hours in bed that was nice and satisfying then dropped her off. Headed to Howzat for a refreshing beverage with one of the senior members here which was a pleasant change from chasing pussy.

Left there to meet a girl who is from Las Pinas. We had had nice chats and one of her memorable chat lines was " I want to sing to you Freebie, before the fucking". Well I guess we both knew the evening would be fine. I went to the appointed meeting place, and after 3 minutes I get a tap on my shoulder. Theres a simply delightful slim petite lady in nice dress, nice make up, standing behind me with a really nice smile. Knew it would be a long night! We had something to eat, some drinks, then in a balcony reprise, stripped her, licked her and bonked her. Something of a turn on to fuck in the open air. (neighbours can't see ). And then she sang LOL. We then had sex throughout the night and had a realy nice morning session. Had breakfast and thanks to traffic she had a long and satisfying fingering as we drove down Mckinley. Before leaving she has asked if I could give her money. I asked why she's asking. She replies " my sister said I should ask you for money ". This girl isn't a player but clearly big sis is teaching her LOL. Anyways she's definately worth a repeat! She also said " Freebie I donht know why I'm so horny with you.". Must be my athletic figure that turned her on. LOL.

From there did some work, lunch and headed to my apartment for a sleep. Changed mind and called up massage girl. After 30 minutes of massge the girl did some touching of the balls etc. Asked for P1000, told her I would do it myself for that price, and we agreed on P500. She left and then I went to the mall to meet The Teacher. Had never met her before but she had indicated she would like to meet and it would be ok if we later went back to my place.

We met and she looks like a teacher. Teacher type uniform, serious face and maybe a bit nervous about meeting me. We head to my place, when I tell her I have to leave in three hours to the airport. This meant we spent 30 minutes on talking about life, and thereafter kisses, clothes off and mutiple orgasms for the girl. Girl had really nice hard firm boobs which was a nice change as both Ms Cebu, Ms Las Pinas and even Massage girl had kids and the resultant softer type of susu.

Said she never does this random meeting of strangers and I was the lucky one. Yeah honey heard that one a lot.

She did exclaim in mid orgasm " Freebie you are a great licker " Anyways we get dressed, drop her off adn head to airport. Go thru Customs and at the Xray inspection I am asked " do you have golf balls in your bag " I state I didn't have but did know what they were seeing on xray.

Showed them the glass dildo that has many ball type shapes on it. They took it out, the customs lady looked at then SMELT IT. I almost burst out laughing when she did this as not 60 minutes earlier this same toy had been deeply inserted in the teacher LOL. Anyways it passed the smell test and they returned to me. And that was Manila # 145.Glass Dildo huh? Never did get to use one of those on a girl yet. Any fun?

[FreebieFan]

Glass Dildo huh? Never did get to use one of those on a girl yet. Any fun?Its the best toy I ever used on a gal. I bought my oil filled glass dildo in Hong Kong. You leave it in hot water for 5 minutes so the oil warms up. The girls seem to love the hot and hard entry. Either way I used mine on about ten girls to date and all really enjoyed.

[Pedro Chilli]

That would make ken loach movies look like a ben stiller comedy! Classic line. Still sniggering.

Ok. I have posted on various places in Africa and Asia over the past 10 years or so and have done a fair bit of trail-blazing in the past if you check my previous reports. But, have never been to Phillipines. Yes, I am rttf, but have booked my first trip, arriving Angeles 3 sept. Have 3 weeks to spend. Thinking mid range hotels close to action in Angeles, Manila and anywhere else you experienced guys know of.

Before abusing me for laziness, go way back to posts I did on Burma, Kenya and others, and help an old geezer out as a good deed.

Cheers Pedro

[GreenBud]

arriving Angeles 3 sept. Have 3 weeks to spend. Thinking mid range hotels close to action in Angeles, Manila and anywhere else you experienced guys know of.In Angeles, I would stay at Royal Amsterdam.

Then I would go to Subic Bay on the Southern Cross Shuttle. Stay at Dreamland.

Then take the Southern Cross shuttle to either Angeles or Manila.

IMO, Manila is not worth it. More unsafe, more expensive with bad traffic.

In Manila, I have stayed at the Clipper Hotel in Makati; it's a small, decent hotel. There's a couple of good condotels in that area. For a moderate splurge, stay at the City Gardens. You will have to take the taxis to other girlie venues.

For one day stays in Manila required while using the shuttles, I have stayed at the City Tower Hotel; the neighborhood is dodgy. Extremely close to MBC; the Ski Kat shuttle departs from there. The hotel has decent prices, but it's somewhat dumpy. Next time, I plan to stay at that small hotel next door.

Then I would take the Ski Kat bus / ferry to Sabang, Puerto Galera. You can stay in Sabang next to girlie bars. But I've stayed at the Portofino in Small Laguna; decent studio, but getting old; 10 minute walk to girlie bars, but more "pleasant"; ask for a discount for $50 without breakfast.

Then go back via Ski Kat shuttle.

If you take just the shuttles, you do not have to stay in Manila overnight going from Sabang to Angeles. But you need to spend at least 1 nite going from Angeles to Sabang.

Of course, taking private a taxis is more pleasant, but more expensive.

[WestCoast1]

That would make ken loach movies look like a ben stiller comedy! Classic line. Still sniggering.

Ok. I have posted on various places in Africa and Asia over the past 10 years or so and have done a fair bit of trail-blazing in the past if you check my previous reports. But, have never been to Phillipines. Yes, I am rttf, but have booked my first trip, arriving Angeles 3 sept. Have 3 weeks to spend. Thinking mid range hotels close to action in Angeles, Manila and anywhere else you experienced guys know of.

Before abusing me for laziness, go way back to posts I did on Burma, Kenya and others, and help an old geezer out as a good deed.

Cheers PedroCity Garden Hotel in Malate (sister hotel Lotus Garden just up the street, and not to be confused with City Garden Makati) , and Tropicana Apartments in Malate, are both within 5 minutes taxi of MBC. Or you can walk to MBC in 10 minutes from either hotel. Each will run you about $60-65 (includes breakfast) per night.

[Buko Max]

I'm thinking, there must be something for let's say, the board of directors at BDO when they want to meet girls!Many locals with expense accounts frequent East Asia Club on Roxas.

[Escort Fan]

Yes, I am rttf, but have booked my first trip, arriving Angeles 3 sept. Have 3 weeks to spend. Thinking mid range hotels close to action in Angeles, Manila and anywhere else you experienced guys know of.

Before abusing me for laziness, go way back to posts I did on Burma, Kenya and others, and help an old geezer out as a good deed.

Cheers PedroFor a AC virgin. Go to Pacific Breeze (easy to google) it's 50 meters from the action and has a pool.

Also you will easy find talkative people to discuss with. (be sure to ask to be in the MAIN building, they have another wing which IMHO SUCKS. But that's just on man's opinion).

Wild orchid is another option but it cost more.

For Manila, go to St Giles. It's close to Burgos.

In malate near MBC there aren't IMHO any descent by western standard mid range hotels.

There are only high end hotels such as Hyatt or Pan Pacific at 100 € per night or shit holes.

Some people go to do Executive Plaza or Las Palmas, but I wouldn't recommand for only a few more pesos, you're better at the St Giles.

Enjoy your stay.

[Topmanten]

I was in manila last month, lot of fun, but too busy to post reports and photos, will post few during coming days

[Mongerer69]

I will be in Makati New World week of Sept 25. If anybody wants to get together, PM me. It will be fun.

[FreebieFan]

Hi Freebie, great report, enjoyable reading. Maybe we can hook up for a beer sometime. I'll be in Makati Nov 1-2. Malate Nov 25-27 and Cebu Nov 28-30. Cheers, mate.Am trying to get back mid September and then thereafter would probably be early November so it may work.

[FreebieFan]

On last trip I had one text from a girl I haven't seen for 2 years. She eventually ended up asking me for money. Why she still has my number when I haven't seen her for two years is strange.

During same trip got a text from an unknown number and it turns out was from a girl who I met also a few years back. Last time I met her was maybe 18 months back. And 18 months later she's still sending me texts. I don't live in Philippines so how often they both text me expecting a reply is strange, but common.

On same trip got a text in Tagalog from another unknown number. Asked her who she was and she said she's a 20 year old in Manila looking for company. How this girl knew I was in Manila was also baffling as I basically told no one I was going there.

I truly wonder how many texts people send even when they know someone in not " in country"

[Pedro Chilli]

Wow. Thanks guys. Never expected such a positive response. Have just recently been in Pattaya and found the guality in beer bars appalingly low. Even gogos seemed to have the same girls I remembered from my last trip.

Generally I try not to expect too much before I arrive in a place for the first time so as not to be dissapointed. But I am looking forward to conversing with the girls of Angeles in my mother tongue and having a few beers with any of you gents I happen to meet in the bars.

Cheers Pedro

[Apac Man]

On last trip I had one text from a girl I haven't seen for 2 years. She eventually ended up asking me for money. Why she still has my number when I haven't seen her for two years is strange.

During same trip got a text from an unknown number and it turns out was from a girl who I met also a few years back. Last time I met her was maybe 18 months back. And 18 months later she's still sending me texts. I don't live in Philippines so how often they both text me expecting a reply is strange, but common.

On same trip got a text in Tagalog from another unknown number. Asked her who she was and she said she's a 20 year old in Manila looking for company. How this girl knew I was in Manila was also baffling as I basically told no one I was going there.

I truly wonder how many texts people send even when they know someone in not " in country"I am just wondering if these girl maintain a SMS send-to list on their phone and they send generic SMS to the list hoping one or two would reply. I know some phone / provider support this feature.

Where the SMS specifically written to you oe was was it like "Hi baby, how are you? I miss you!" type?

APAC Man

[FreebieFan]

I am just wondering if these girl maintain a SMS send-to list on their phone and they send generic SMS to the list hoping one or two would reply. I know some phone / provider support this feature.

Where the SMS specifically written to you oe was was it like "Hi baby, how are you? I miss you!" type?

APAC ManMine were very much a "Hi how are you " type, which most certainly could have been an sms type blast to all contacts similar to edm's. Could explain it, but it always creeps me out when it happens. Especially sa its girls I've bonked and forgotten. As soon as I have replied replied then I get the endless " how are you" "remember me" "can we meet" "have you had lunch" etc, etc, etc.

[Butter69]

Before leaving she has asked if I could give her money. I asked why she's asking. She replies " my sister said I should ask you for money ". This girl isn't a player but clearly big sis is teaching her LOL. Anyways she's definately worth a repeat! She also said " Freebie I donht know why I'm so horny with you.". Must be my athletic figure that turned her on. LOL.Hi Freebie, did you pay her any money in the end?

[Rob Raxcal]

I have been scouring the threads for a good overall report of where to go in Manila and because there are so many reports I haven't been able to locate a comprehensive report. I am looking for a mid-range place to stay and also for a good place to find some girls. Have been to MBC a few times and have had mixed results. Weekend nights seem to be way to crowded. What are some other options? Also heading to Tacloban, any suggestions for there? Check the photos section as I have added a few from my last trip to cebu. Thanks

[Mongrinastrlnd]

I have been scouring the threads for a good overall report of where to go in Manila and because there are so many reports I haven't been able to locate a comprehensive report. I am looking for a mid-range place to stay and also for a good place to find some girls. Have been to MBC a few times and have had mixed results. Weekend nights seem to be way to crowded. What are some other options? Also heading to Tacloban, any suggestions for there? Check the photos section as I have added a few from my last trip to cebu. ThanksFor Tacloban best option in town is Hotel Alejandro on Paterno St. About P1500 for aircon matrimonial with hot shower. Reserve early if possible, they are often full. Other passable alternatives are Grand Royal Suite down the street from Alejandro P850 for matrimonial, or Rosenvil Pensione on Burgos, about halfway between Paterno and Real P950 matrimonial.

Do *NOT* get suckered into Leyte Park. Overpriced and run-down.

Tacloban has a tiny overpriced bar scene on Real St. Before you get to Bethany Hospital. 3 bars and P3000 barfines. Date-site girls are a better bet.

[FreebieFan]

Hi Freebie, did you pay her any money in the end?Yes. Those that stay overnight with me usually get P1000 something like that."Honey why don't you buy a nice dress for yourself " etc. Keeps them sweet for repeats.

[Member #4152]

So I just landed in Manila the other night and made MBC my first stop. Very fun night that ended in me picking up a girl for free and a all nighter. She didn't want any money but insisted and gave her 2000 pesos. I would of gave less but she was just too nice!

Anyways, I'm looking for a good breakfast spot that offers pancakes and good bacon! '. Help!

[Soapy Smith]

Anyways, I'm looking for a good breakfast spot that offers pancakes and good bacon! '. Help!Check the website for The Pancake House. Good variety of pancakes, and they serve waffles, eggs, bacon, sausage, hashbrowns, decent coffee, and all the side dishes Westerners like. If you're staying in the Ermita area near MBC, there is one on the 4th floor of Robinson's Place Mall and another near the corner of Taft and UN Avenue. There are half a dozen or so in Makati, including one in Greenbelt 1. The food has an authentic Western taste; really, it's not bad. This is not a knockoff of the nasty American chain, Waffle House. These places are actually clean and tasteful, and prices are such that local patrons tend to have a few pesos in their pockets.

Another local restaurant chain with numerous 24-hour places and both Filipino and Western cuisine is the Aristocrat Restaurants. I'm not sure about pancakes, but they definitely have eggs, bacon, sausage, hashbrowns, and the usual variety of Filipino breakfast items. I think the Aristocrats chain has a website as well.

Ask your hotel staff about where to find the nearest Pancake House or Aristocrats Restaurant.

[Screaming Beaver]

Last night I hooked up with a college student I met on a dating site. We met over at Havana Cafe for a couple drinks before going to dinner. She was even more gorgeous in person than in the pics. As we were having dinner someone was constantly calling her. She later told me it was some guy from Twisted Ankle, Arkansas who is obsessed with her even though they have not yet met in person. He's been supplying her with regular deposits of pesos-o-plenty. That did not stop her from retiring with me back at my room where I proceeded to give her a Viagra induced pounding. Right on queue, her bf was calling her constantly. Without missing a beat, she mounted me and rode me like a bucking bronco until we both came in unison with the cellphone playing the ringtone Lady Gaga song 'Born This Way'.

As we were doing the usual post coital cuddling, the dipshit called again. I suggested she answer the phone which she did on speaker phone. This idiot was almost crying saying he was worried sick that she had not picked up the phone earlier. She calmly explained that she was napping and at that same moment she was gently massaging my balls. This turned me on so as soon as they both finished up their 'I love you, I miss you' bola bola I proceeded to mount her again which she happily obliged. What a country. Keep the pesos coming boys. We both appreciate it!

[Chocha Monger]

Last night I hooked up with a college student I met on a dating site. We met over at Havana Cafe for a couple drinks before going to dinner. She was even more gorgeous in person than in the pics. As we were having dinner someone was constantly calling her. She later told me it was some guy from Twisted Ankle, Arkansas who is obsessed with her even though they have not yet met in person. He's been supplying her with regular deposits of pesos-o-plenty. That did not stop her from retiring with me back at my room where I proceeded to give her a Viagra induced pounding. Right on queue, her bf was calling her constantly. Without missing a beat, she mounted me and rode me like a bucking bronco until we both came in unison with the cellphone playing the ringtone Lady Gaga song 'Born This Way'.

As we were doing the usual post coital cuddling, the dipshit called again. I suggested she answer the phone which she did on speaker phone. This idiot was almost crying saying he was worried sick that she had not picked up the phone earlier. She calmly explained that she was napping and at that same moment she was gently massaging my balls. This turned me on so as soon as they both finished up their 'I love you, I miss you' bola bola I proceeded to mount her again which she happily obliged. What a country. Keep the pesos coming boys. We both appreciate it!That was a true Filipina love story. You can't be angry with them. After all, they were born that way and so were the suckers sending them crazy pesos before they even meet. Were there cats meowing in the background? It might be a certain guy from Denver. I know, I know, you just met the wrong Filipina (depending on whose point of view) and they're really nice, honest and faithful girls. Someone would swear that they don't all look at foreigners as lechon kawali. That crazed look in her drunken papa's eyes as his admires a monger's pink skin and long Western snout, his cackling laughter as he jabs a short bony finger into his potbelly while knocking back a bottle of Tanduay is all in his imagination. When he calls the monger 'baboy' in tagalog it really means he is an honored guest and not the new fattened pig to feed the family.

[FreebieFan]

Last night I hooked up with a college student I met on a dating site. We met over at Havana Cafe for a couple drinks before going to dinner.

As we were doing the usual post coital cuddling, the dipshit called again. I suggested she answer the phone which she did on speaker phone. This idiot was almost crying saying he was worried sick that she had not picked up the phone earlier. She calmly explained that she was napping and at that same moment she was gently massaging my balls. This turned me on so as soon as they both finished up their 'I love you, I miss you' bola bola I proceeded to mount her again which she happily obliged. What a country. Keep the pesos coming boys. We both appreciate it!Used to date a very sweet secretary in Jakarta. She had an Irish bf who thankfully was far away in deepest darkest Ireland. He knew his gf was hot and well chased after. Every night when we were in bed, this same guy would call and whisper his sweet nothings whilst she was happily tucked up with me. Even at 4am he would call presumably to check she was alone. He would say " how are you honey" she would reply " I'm asleep" He would say" I hope you are alone and being good". She would reply " of course I am, I'm not interested in any guys except you ". Ahhhhh the duplicity of a hot woman. LOL

[Member #4152]

If anyone wants to hang out this weekend, let me know. I want to hit up EDSA and Malati. MBC is fine tooo.

[D Cups]

Ya, I've eaten at that Aristocrats on Roxas not far from MBC. Not bad. Reasonable price.


Check the website for The Pancake House. Good variety of pancakes, and they serve waffles, eggs, bacon, sausage, hashbrowns, decent coffee, and all the side dishes Westerners like. If you're staying in the Ermita area near MBC, there is one on the 4th floor of Robinson's Place Mall and another near the corner of Taft and UN Avenue. There are half a dozen or so in Makati, including one in Greenbelt 1. The food has an authentic Western taste; really, it's not bad. This is not a knockoff of the nasty American chain, Waffle House. These places are actually clean and tasteful, and prices are such that local patrons tend to have a few pesos in their pockets.

Another local restaurant chain with numerous 24-hour places and both Filipino and Western cuisine is the Aristocrat Restaurants. I'm not sure about pancakes, but they definitely have eggs, bacon, sausage, hashbrowns, and the usual variety of Filipino breakfast items. I think the Aristocrats chain has a website as well.

Ask your hotel staff about where to find the nearest Pancake House or Aristocrats Restaurant.

[HenryV]

Just make sure that, at the end of the day, you do not morph into "the idiot."


Last night I hooked up with a college student I met on a dating site. We met over at Havana Cafe for a couple drinks before going to dinner. She was even more gorgeous in person than in the pics. As we were having dinner someone was constantly calling her. She later told me it was some guy from Twisted Ankle, Arkansas who is obsessed with her even though they have not yet met in person. He's been supplying her with regular deposits of pesos-o-plenty. That did not stop her from retiring with me back at my room where I proceeded to give her a Viagra induced pounding. Right on queue, her bf was calling her constantly. Without missing a beat, she mounted me and rode me like a bucking bronco until we both came in unison with the cellphone playing the ringtone Lady Gaga song 'Born This Way'.

As we were doing the usual post coital cuddling, the dipshit called again. I suggested she answer the phone which she did on speaker phone. This idiot was almost crying saying he was worried sick that she had not picked up the phone earlier. She calmly explained that she was napping and at that same moment she was gently massaging my balls. This turned me on so as soon as they both finished up their 'I love you, I miss you' bola bola I proceeded to mount her again which she happily obliged. What a country. Keep the pesos coming boys. We both appreciate it!

[Rodney64]

Used to date a very sweet secretary in Jakarta. She had an Irish bf who thankfully was far away in deepest darkest Ireland. He knew his gf was hot and well chased after. Every night when we were in bed, this same guy would call and whisper his sweet nothings whilst she was happily tucked up with me. Even at 4am he would call presumably to check she was alone. He would say " how are you honey" she would reply " I'm asleep" He would say" I hope you are alone and being good". She would reply " of course I am, I'm not interested in any guys except you ". Ahhhhh the duplicity of a hot woman. LOLMan the girls who have bf's supporting them are very crazy thats why I would'nt trust one of them but a very few are good girls but not many. These women are ' bad ' for this. Like ' WOW " after hearing all your stories and the girls ar in bed while the guys are calling. Hehhehehehe. So mess up!

[Schluter]

I will be in Manila with my wife and 2yo son in Nov for a few days before visiting her family in the province. Anyone know of a decent hotel to stay at with your family?

[Fast Buck Artist]

as we were doing the usual post coital cuddling, the dipshit called again. i suggested she answer the phone which she did on speaker phone. this idiot was almost crying saying he was worried sick that she had not picked up the phone earlier.this is one of the reasons i prefer if they don't sleep overnight with me, and send them home after the deed so i can sleep in peace.

the last pickup i brought into the room to stay overnight had the phone ringing with a really annoying ringtone, some german kraut felt it was appropriate to call her at 3am and declare his undying love and that he'll be back and blah blah blah for 20 minutes. i had to confirep001e that phone, turn it off and insert into the drawer, not out of any jealousy, i just appreciate a restful night of sleep!

[Emale]

I will be in Manila with my wife and 2yo son in Nov for a few days before visiting her family in the province. Anyone know of a decent hotel to stay at with your family?Tropicana, near Robinsons Mall has a swimming pool too. Nice place, I always stay there but I would email or call in advance for a reservation.

http://www.tropicanasuites.com.ph/home.php

[Member #4152]

Just make sure that, at the end of the day, you do not morph into "the idiot."LOL. Never fall in love! Rule number 1 under Man Law.

[Member #4152]

So last night, I had a blast at EDSA. EDSA Kinda reminded me of Angeles but way nicer and a bit more classy. It was fun getting a good massage, while buying drinks for my buddies, girls and throwing bills (20 pesos) around LOL. Had to drop 1600 pesos to bf a girl with a pretty face but an ok body. You can tell she had a baby before, but I just had a feeling her service would be great.

When I got her back to my place, she allowed me to take pictures, almost everything was on the menu and we did it multiple times through out the night. The downside might of been her leaving at 4:30am to go home, but she did wake me up using a BJ which eventually led to FS. I didn't mind her leaving either because I didn't really care LOL.

I think I'm going to give my one eyed monster a break today with no day mongering and hit up P Burgos Street. I'm being lazy because I'm using my iPad in the lobby of my hotel and was wondering of any recommendations on bars and bfs and tips on girls?

[WestCoast1]

this is one of the reasons i prefer if they don't sleep overnight with me, and send them home after the deed so i can sleep in peace.

the last pickup i brought into the room to stay overnight had the phone ringing with a really annoying ringtone, some german kraut felt it was appropriate to call her at 3am and declare his undying love and that he'll be back and blah blah blah for 20 minutes. i had to confirep001e that phone, turn it off and insert into the drawer, not out of any jealousy, i just appreciate a restful night of sleep!i have them turn it off and i put it in the safe if she's an overnighter. even before that, if she's a bargirl, i always make them mute the phone as we get down to business. talk about a completely different culture and mindset (they are hooked on that phone) , i always find this conversation astonishing:

me: turn the phone off completely or set it on silent.

girl: why?

me: because i don't want to be bothered with it during sex.

girl: oh ya huh!

they are just fine with receiving / sending txts while asleep, during sex, or during a good meal; a concept foreign to westerners. when i first started doing this a few years ago, there was some grumpiness to it. if she refused, i would show her the door or tell her we were going back to the bar (they don't like being walked back into their own bar prior to sex with a complaint). girls from santos and also body shop just handed me the phone when i put mine in the safe and pointed at theirs. both sets of girls reminded me the phone was not theirs, it belonged to the bar or their mama. freelancers never blink at it now when i tell them to mute it (she gets paid when i'm happy).

[Chocha Monger]

Man the girls who have bf's supporting them are very crazy thats why I would'nt trust one of them but a very few are good girls but not many. These women are ' bad ' for this. Like ' WOW " after hearing all your stories and the girls ar in bed while the guys are calling. Hehhehehehe. So mess up!Well, mongers go overseas looking for the bad girls, the kind that would meet you at the mall or your hotel and fuck you without even knowing your full name. The joke turns out be on the mongers who fall in love after rooting the little tarts and decide to turn them into good girls by sending them huge amounts of pesos upon returning to a life of sexual deprivation in their homeland. Of course, the girls were born to be bad and love it. So, they take the pesos and tell the suckers they are now good girls keeping their beavers on ice and attending church services several times a week praying for the safe return of their beloved mongers. The guys feel good thinking someone actually loves them and the girls get to keep their pesos and fuck other mongers at the same time. It's a win win situation and everyone goes home happy.

[Buko Max]

I will be in Manila with my wife and 2yo son in Nov for a few days before visiting her family in the province. Anyone know of a decent hotel to stay at with your family?Did you check the 'Manila Hotels' thread!?

[Asian Rain]

So fucking well-summarized. On my second day in Manila sitting in front of the Coffee Bean@Robinsons Malate. Have already gotten "the look" from two sets of cuties walking by my table. Buzz. Buzzzzz. Already drilled 5 fucklets and counting. Yum yum Manila bad girls. No attempt though to make them into good girls. I prefer to make them even more bad. Enjoy Manila, AR.


Well, mongers go overseas looking for the bad girls, the kind that would meet you at the mall or your hotel and fuck you without even knowing your full name. The joke turns out be on the mongers who fall in love after rooting the little tarts and decide to turn them into good girls by sending them huge amounts of pesos upon returning to a life of sexual deprivation in their homeland. Of course, the girls were born to be bad and love it. So, they take the pesos and tell the suckers they are now good girls keeping their beavers on ice and attending church services several times a week praying for the safe return of their beloved mongers. The guys feel good thinking someone actually loves them and the girls get to keep their pesos and fuck other mongers at the same time. It's a win win situation and everyone goes home happy.

[Member #4698]

The guys feel good thinking someone actually loves them and the girls get to keep their pesos and fuck other mongers at the same time. It's a win win situation and everyone goes home happy.No it's not a win win situation in the vast majority of cases. Eventually most of these punters realized they have been foolishly taken for a ride. Does anyone really enjoy being made the fool? Is the guy calling at 3am in the morning to check up on his supposed girlfriend happy? The small minority that are winners are the rare guys that actually find a 'good' girl (very rare) and the guys with money to burn and who don't give a damn if they end up throwing away a few pesos (100p to 1,000,000p) on a long distance girl that is not faithful when they are out of town, but real GFE when they visit.

[Sxxxx]

One of my buddies who is a lawyer in Australia for a big international firm with offices everywhere once .I no longer travel with him anywhere, I prefer to meet him at the final destination these days as he gets stuck almost at every airport trying to explain the black stamp in his passport.When back home simply report Passport lost, get a new one, without the black stamp. Then you can travel with him. He doesn't sound like a very bright lawyer LOL.

[Sxxxx]

There is no such thing as a girl being too thin. I love them thin that way you can pick them up and move then into the position you want.Geez I don't want something that looks like its unhealthy (anorexic etc) or hasn't had a feed in months, and don't want fat girls either. Skinny as your talking about, means no boobs, no arse etc. Banging bones is not for me. Sounds a bit on the spooky, skeleton side of things. Do you ever hear a rattle? But keep it up, more regular looking girls for me.

[Topmanten]

I got this girl from Edsa, bullet N Arrow / Cotton, excellent GF service,

If you people like more pic of her will post it.

[Sumart]

Of course we like more. She is very beautiful.


I got this girl from Edsa, bullet N Arrow / Cotton, excellent GF service,

If you people like more pic of her will post it.

[Enchoo]

There are many hotties in Cebu so Ms. Cebu needs to be super duper! How is she called Ms cebu? Did she reallly run in a pageant? Just wondering.


145? Maybe not quite but theres surely been a lot of Manila weekends in my life and here's the ramblings and observations from another recently concluded weekend.

Arrived in my place at 4 am courtesy of Cebu Pacific. Turned the Manila phone on and went to bed knowing I had to be at airport at 9am.

Woke up at 8am to discover texts from a girl I hadn't seen in a year or more. Her texts were " Hi do you remember me" I Reply "yes". She says " its my brithday can you lend me money ". I reply " no". She replies " fuck off ". Sweet girl.

Anyways head to the airport to meet Ms Cebu. 19 and have had her with me on a couple of previous Manila trips. Girl is incredibly photogenic, up for anything, happy to wear all the slutwear I buy her with a smile and very sweet company. This was third time I've invited her and probably the last as I've done everything I want to do with her. But during our two days together, I got her naked in my car with pics of that, had her on the balcony of my place, fingered her whilst eating in Filling Station and many other nice moments and activities. She left with a smile especially as Freebies soft heart ran to a P3000 phone for her birthday. I figured a fair return for the 300 photos I have of her LOL.

I dropped her at airport two days later, and I thought I was headed to meet my Pampanga nurse. She was always on time previously, and had even sent me a ym message indicating she was heading for the bus. I waited and waited and she was a no show. No doubt I will get an explanation as to why soon. Anyways time for a rejig of the schedule.

Called up a Palawan girl who was visiting Manila and who seems to like me LOL. Met her in Taguig 45 minutes later. We had two hours in bed that was nice and satisfying then dropped her off. Headed to Howzat for a refreshing beverage with one of the senior members here which was a pleasant change from chasing pussy.

Left there to meet a girl who is from Las Pinas. We had had nice chats and one of her memorable chat lines was " I want to sing to you Freebie, before the fucking". Well I guess we both knew the evening would be fine. I went to the appointed meeting place, and after 3 minutes I get a tap on my shoulder. Theres a simply delightful slim petite lady in nice dress, nice make up, standing behind me with a really nice smile. Knew it would be a long night! We had something to eat, some drinks, then in a balcony reprise, stripped her, licked her and bonked her. Something of a turn on to fuck in the open air. (neighbours can't see ). And then she sang LOL. We then had sex throughout the night and had a realy nice morning session. Had breakfast and thanks to traffic she had a long and satisfying fingering as we drove down Mckinley. Before leaving she has asked if I could give her money. I asked why she's asking. She replies " my sister said I should ask you for money ". This girl isn't a player but clearly big sis is teaching her LOL. Anyways she's definately worth a repeat! She also said " Freebie I donht know why I'm so horny with you.". Must be my athletic figure that turned her on. LOL.

From there did some work, lunch and headed to my apartment for a sleep. Changed mind and called up massage girl. After 30 minutes of massge the girl did some touching of the balls etc. Asked for P1000, told her I would do it myself for that price, and we agreed on P500. She left and then I went to the mall to meet The Teacher. Had never met her before but she had indicated she would like to meet and it would be ok if we later went back to my place.

We met and she looks like a teacher. Teacher type uniform, serious face and maybe a bit nervous about meeting me. We head to my place, when I tell her I have to leave in three hours to the airport. This meant we spent 30 minutes on talking about life, and thereafter kisses, clothes off and mutiple orgasms for the girl. Girl had really nice hard firm boobs which was a nice change as both Ms Cebu, Ms Las Pinas and even Massage girl had kids and the resultant softer type of susu.

Said she never does this random meeting of strangers and I was the lucky one. Yeah honey heard that one a lot.

She did exclaim in mid orgasm " Freebie you are a great licker " Anyways we get dressed, drop her off adn head to airport. Go thru Customs and at the Xray inspection I am asked " do you have golf balls in your bag " I state I didn't have but did know what they were seeing on xray.

Showed them the glass dildo that has many ball type shapes on it. They took it out, the customs lady looked at then SMELT IT. I almost burst out laughing when she did this as not 60 minutes earlier this same toy had been deeply inserted in the teacher LOL. Anyways it passed the smell test and they returned to me. And that was Manila # 145.

[Lalake]

I have them turn it off and I put it in the safe if she's an overnighter. Even before that, if she's a bargirl, I always make them mute the phone as we get down to business. Talk about a completely different culture and mindset (they are hooked on that phone) , I always find this conversation astonishing:

Me: turn the phone off completely or set it on silent.

Girl: why?

Me: because I don't want to be bothered with it during sex.

Girl: oh ya huh!

They are just fine with receiving / sending txts while asleep, during sex, or during a good meal; a concept foreign to westerners. When I first started doing this a few years ago, there was some grumpiness to it. If she refused, I would show her the door or tell her we were going back to the bar (they don't like being walked back into their own bar prior to sex with a complaint). Girls from Santos and also Body Shop just handed me the phone when I put mine in the safe and pointed at theirs. Both sets of girls reminded me the phone was not theirs, it belonged to the bar or their mama. Freelancers never blink at it now when I tell them to mute it (she gets paid when I'm happy).That's why I own a cell phone blocker. Works great whilst still in the room.

[Topmanten]

Hi here are 3 more photos of my pick upfm edsa, if you like it will post more of her

[Fast Buck Artist]

That's why I own a cell phone blocker. Works great whilst still in the room.Please tell us more! What model do you use and where do I get one?

[Butter69]

Hi here are 3 more photos of my pick upfm edsa, if you like it will post more of herVery pretty girl. I like photo no 3, shows her cheeky & fun side.

How much does a girl like this charge?

[Lalake]

Please tell us more! What model do you use and where do I get one?I hope my reply doesn't disappoint. But, they're illegal in most countries. So, I would just say, do a search. Good luck

[Tally Wacker]

Hi here are 3 more photos of my pick upfm edsa, if you like it will post more of herPost more of here please! What does she look like without the robe? Love her look.

[Member #3439]

Well, mongers go overseas looking for the bad girls, the kind that would meet you at the mall or your hotel and fuck you without even knowing your full name. The joke turns out be on the mongers who fall in love after rooting the little tarts and decide to turn them into good girls by sending them huge amounts of pesos upon returning to a life of sexual deprivation in their homeland. Of course, the girls were born to be bad and love it. So, they take the pesos and tell the suckers they are now good girls keeping their beavers on ice and attending church services several times a week praying for the safe return of their beloved mongers. The guys feel good thinking someone actually loves them and the girls get to keep their pesos and fuck other mongers at the same time. It's a win win situation and everyone goes home happy.

Well, knowing the name doesn't have anything to do with it. I have a busy non-pro med school girl in Rio that requires NSA and could not care less about about my full name, just wants kissed and fucked by as-per-her-description , educated, kind and handsome gentleman, and nothing else..no money, she could buy and sell me anyway. Not knowing my name doesn't make her a bad person, women need sex too, and names don't matter!! When animals fuck, they do not ask for names, so neither should people. (thinking to change my stage name to 'fido' or 'marmaduke' lol) Maybe there are some upper class girls in the Phils that just need fucked too, but as for the hos:

Aren't they going to church anyway? Just like Brasil, good catholic hos, being a tramp ho doesn't mean that you can't be saved. ISG members may really like MNL hos, but Jesus is the one that loves them. Just confess, and go back and fuck some more married dudes for money for new shoes., and do the same thing next week The girl in early July that threatened to find me if she got pregnant after I was blowing her pussy full of sperm for a couple days, came back to my hotel the next day to show me the new hooker heels she bought with my P1500. Nice, babe! Then showed me her fucked up toes and how she only needs something like 60 more fucks before she can afford laser surgery to have these crazy high heel effects burned off her feet. Looks like her toes have cancer. Ugghh.barf. If this is what is the matter, what all else is wrong with her? And I barebacked this girl. Felt like putting crime scene tape around my dick and balls. Crazy girls, down low, dirty guttural crazy place. Everyone should go.

Back in MNL tommorow. If you see a white guy in MBC, looking tired, throw him the middle finger and say 'fuck you, you rotten asshole!'. If he throws a punch, that's not me. If he throws the finger back, it's Puta Playa! :) I need some entertainment!

[Brown Rail]

I have noticed that in Makati or at MBC there are pretty much no Filippino punters.

It's as if, those places are oriented towards (cheap) foreigners. (especially in case of LA café).

So I was wondering where do they pick up their talents, there must be places and web sites where they fill their needs!Over the years I have been to a number of places like that. Three areas come to mind in Manila.

The first is a strip club. I think it is called something like Rosie's. It is on Makati-bound side of EDSA, just north / east of Taft. There is a sign and guard at the door and stairs going up to the second floor. Inside is a big, nondescript room with a stage in the center, VIP rooms around the outside. If the lights came on there were probably be no paint on the walls and rats running around. The girls come out and dance in a panty, taking it off for the last dance. Many are pretty, but you are not going to find Miss Manila here. If my memory serves, beers are p75 / ladies drinks p150. I think the bar fine was like P500. I have been a few times. The locals mostly ignore me, or smile and raise their SanMig.

Another area is on NAIA Road, between Roxas Blvd and Quirino Ave. There are a few upscale places, where the girls do dance shows. There are a few midlevel stip clubs, like Rosies. There are lots of low level karaoke places. The most interesting for what you are asking are the midlevel strip clubs. It is like EDSA entertainment, but cheaper, and the girls strip. In the Kareoke, the girls are really right from the province. The places are little more than cardboard shaks serving SanMig. Often no English is spoken, but they are happy to try. They're cheap, cheap, cheap.

Lastly, this is not really a locals place; in fact it is mostly Aussies. If you go to the corner of A. Mabini and Padre Faura, near G-Point, but facing north. Walk down Mabini, passed Cowboy Grill (or stop in for some sometimes decent rock and roll, but not for the girls). And passed there you might want to walk in the street, the sidewalks are dark, uneven and full of pick pockets. After about three blocks you will see a cluster of bars on the right, before United Nations. They are a cross between Burgos and Manila Bay. The girls work for the bar, but are cheap. They soft-sell lady drinks, about P100-150. The funny thing is they really do get drunk and are up for most anything. Unfortunalty because they are selling drinks, they are getting drunk, and ones who have been there a while develop tummies. Don't be surprised, especally later when she is tipsy, if she does not have panties under that short skirt. You cuddle with them, bar fine (about P750?) or you play with them right there.

In QC there must be thousands of places, but beyond the obvious places around Timog Ave, you really need to go with Filipino friends. They are mostly Karaoke.

I would also say, the places on Roxas Blvd are a different / lower priced experience if you go with Filipinos than if you go with foreigners or alone. The same drinks, same beautiful girls, cost half or less on the Filipino scale. A good reason to make friends with some locals, and have them show you around. Conversely, never have a taxi drop you. He will get a payment / you will get an even higher tariff.

Anyway, I have long tired of the girlie bars in P Burgos. Manila Café and G-Point are still fun. Havana in Greenbelt when I am too lazy to go down town. There are a few others, not destinations, but if I happen to pass by I will try. But I do like to explore. If you want a feral experience, try NAIA, but keep your wits about you.

When exploring, beware of the Filipinos who might approach you. They can be dangerous. Some can be friendly and fun; some can be scammers or worse. But it can be part of the adventure. Keep a low profile and smile a lot.

[FreebieFan]

There are many hotties in Cebu so Ms. Cebu needs to be super duper! How is she called Ms cebu? Did she reallly run in a pageant? Just wondering.She was good enough for me to invite her to Manila 3 times which is VERY rare.

She was good enough for me to even help her get a passport as she will be a good girl to take on business trips (I often take girls with me, preferably to picking up hookers or having to do work on freebies.). She's a girl who looks great (at least, the guys who have seen her pics say so) and who will not say no.

She was a bit hesitant when I suggested she get a massage by another girl but got into it. She's just a nice sweet cute girl from a town near Cebu that I find to be hot.

I'm a 25 plus year veteran of Phils so I know what I like and what I don't like by now. Pageants, no I don't think she did.

[Econo Tech]

No it's not a win win situation in the vast majority of cases. Eventually most of these punters realized they have been foolishly taken for a ride. Does anyone really enjoy being made the fool? Is the guy calling at 3am in the morning to check up on his supposed girlfriend happy? The small minority that are winners are the rare guys that actually find a 'good' girl (very rare) and the guys with money to burn and who don't give a damn if they end up throwing away a few pesos (100p to 1,000,000p) on a long distance girl that is not faithful when they are out of town, but real GFE when they visit.Http://www.chicken8.com/video/13034/no-liar.html

Love it.

[AfAsia]

I hope my reply doesn't disappoint. But, they're illegal in most countries. So, I would just say, do a search. Good luckCome on Lalake, spit it out, really intrigued?

[Econo Tech]

Come on Lalake, spit it out, really intrigued?Google mate. There are units the size of a Marlboro packet onwards.

But, I wonder. By blocking, in case of emergency, what if your next door guy is having a heart attack and finds his phone is dead?

I would rather not live with such possibilities.

If it feels bad, I just walk away.

[FreebieFan]

That's why I own a cell phone blocker. Works great whilst still in the room.My date last Monday (21, 5ft nothing, cute as they all are) met me, and after dinner she turned her phone off and gave it to me. Asked me to make sure it would be safe till morning. She has obviously been told or knows its polite and good manners.

My date last Saturday-Monday turned her new phone on after I bought it for her to check it worked then put it away in her bag till Monday. Clearly the message is getting out that we guys don't really like endless texts in mid bonk.

[FreebieFan]

Another area is on NAIA Road, between Roxas Blvd and Quirino Ave. There are a few upscale places, where the girls do dance shows. There are a few midlevel stip clubs, like Rosies. There are lots of low level karaoke places. The most interesting for what you are asking are the midlevel strip clubs. It is like EDSA entertainment, but cheaper, and the girls strip. In the Kareoke, the girls are really right from the province. The places are little more than cardboard shaks serving SanMig. Often no English is spoken, but they are happy to try. They're cheap, cheap, cheap.Have been on this street a few times. Parked outside Miss World and had a beers before going to meet a cutie outside Heritage Hotel (if the cutie is living in Pasay Heritage is the most convenient place to meet if driving) Bars are ok, certainly not many foreigners there but a good choice of bars and as stated choice of girls too. If you really get a hottie theres a few hotel alternatives around there also.

I first went there about 5 years back, when I was regularly meeting a cute gal who worked in BPI Magellanes but lived right next to Miss World so I often picked her up there. Not for faint hearts but not particularly dangerous area either.

[Topmanten]

It is the normal edsa charges. 1600 bf, plus 3400 for LT.

Excellnet GFE, was with me till 9am next day.


Very pretty girl. I like photo no 3, shows her cheeky & fun side.

How much does a girl like this charge?

[Topmanten]

Will post more photos shortly, in the mean time any one knows her, pl post yr experience with her, to me she was excellent in all respects.


Post more of here please! What does she look like without the robe? Love her look.

[Member #4152]

It is the normal edsa charges. 1600 bf, plus 3400 for LT.

Excellnet GFE, was with me till 9am next day.I think I paid 1600BF and 3000 for LT. Don't really remember

[Topmanten]

Pl post some photos.


I think I paid 1600BF and 3000 for LT. Don't really remember

[Member #3439]

Summary:

Nightime: Early 20s's girls. 8/10, P1000 LT after midnight even though the place is packed. Girls complain it is slow. But the place is full. Just, guys aren't fucking.

Daytime: Early 20s's girls. 8/10, P1000 ST (2 hours).

Detail:

Last time some people here told me to stay out of Phils. Sorry, can't do. I decided to pack a bag, leave Tokyo and come down to MNL to get my kamikaze on.

I arrived very late, checked in, and thought to just sleep. But of course, that couldn't happen. So I walked over to MBC (which I swore before that I would not do, because of the police) and walked in at midnight to find the place packed, despite it being a Monday night.

Some of the girls recognize me from 2 months ago, just like people said they would. This is good, because when girls come up to you and say hey, x, long time you not here, how ya doing? The other girls see this and decide you are okay, and don't try to do crazy things like ask P2500 or ask drinks.

I learned something new. A group of African guys were in the place, acting really charismatic, dancing, and showing off. They spoke Tagalog too! All the girls in my area were looking at them, and chattering in Tagalog and laughing. I asked a couple of girls what the girls were chattering about. I will not repeat the things here, because most of what the girls were saying would be considered high racism where I am from. Basically they were saying derogatory things related to race. One of the African guys came up to the girl next to me, and said something in Tagalog. She laughed and shooed at him to go away, and then he started pointing to his arms and face and said something more and was angry. I asked her what was the matter, she said "he told me he like me, my skin very light. Then I tell him I not want go. I told him I not go with him because he crazy guy. He get mad and say we not like him because his skin black. Other girl tell him she not want to go too " So, very strange behavior from the girls in there. I did not know they felt that way about race. Not to say that they won't fuck anyone of any race, because they do. But it became clear from their comments that they have a race problem. However, I think the reason the guys had a hard time getting a girl to go was because all the girls believed they were too wild they would be a problem in the room. This was the general consensus that it was not safe to go with them, not because of color, but because they were acting what the girls called 'drrunk' and something else. Really, I thought they were just having a good time and doing their thing. But the girls interpreted it as being wasted, and seem to do so whenever they see someone dancing in there.

I sat with a particular girl for about an hour and figured she was okay. So I thought to take her for P1000, sorta cheap charlie. (In July on my first trip, I was paying 1500 ST and 2000 LT) She didn't like P1000 and got cold. So I said okay, and continue nursing my beer. 10 minutes later she picked up my beer, 'you drink, we go' I confirmed 1000, she said yes. I was ready to go and at that moment the crazy girl that threatened to find me if she go preggers from BB, appeared out of NOWHERE! Not preg, and she was cool and started chatting me up. I was a little drunk. The other girl said, come lets go, now, you no talk to her. The BB girl said, hey you going with her? I said yeah. She said, how much she want, that girl? I said P1000. She said, you go me, I go free. I gave the former girl P100 for the loss of her time, to smooth things over, since she didn't have a drink or anything. And ended up walking out of MBC with the crazy girl from last trip. I said, why do you go with me for free, what do you want? She said, I don't want anything, I been out clubbing, I tired, we go back to hotel, fuck sleep and I know you will give me something.

So we ended up at Amazonia eating chicken wings and shooting pool. During this time, we are eating wings and she pulled out a paper dated 8/1/11 that shows that she was tested for all kinds of STI and clean on all counts. I never asked to see this and was surprised when she produced it. She said, I take care of my self. Many other girl not take care. Girls get mad at me over a man, and they accuse me of having disease and try to give me a bad name. So I got mad at a girl talking about me, and I went got tested. And I made 5 copies of this and brought it to MBC and when that girl said something to me, I pulled out all 5 copies and I smacked her in the face with them and said 'b!tch, I tell you, I have deez papers here to show that I am clean, where are your papers? You got papers?" And I handed out the other 4 copies and I told those girls if they don't believe I am clean they can take this to the doctor, right here, Dr. So-So, and this doctor, she will be able to tell, Yes that is my paper. Woah!

Then we went back the the hotel, typical service, licked my ass, BBBJ, was asking me to cum in her pussy. Cum baby, cum for me. NO WAY was I cumming in that pussy again. Fucked like forever but I could not cum due to the trauma from before. And she didn't want a mouth shot, only pussy shot. So then she got worn out and fell asleep, I was drunk and crashed too. No shot. We slept until 1 pm, I had to wake her up by rubbing her pussy, she woke up and sucked me hard and started fucking again. Ended BBBJ but dodged the cumshot. I gave her 1000 for the LT, thanks, see ya later, and she was on her way.

Now, after she left I got the room cleaned, ate lunch and stopped at MBC for a beer. Was a little spent from having came just before, but a 9/10 convinced me to take her out for ST. Big fake tits and perfect body, pretty face, more than a little arrogant. Wanted 2000 ST. I told her 1000, she countered 1500, then 1300. I said, hey a girl left my room just literally like 2 hours ago. I don't need it at P1300. So she said fine, lets go P1000. So we walked back to the hotel, and she told me that she is fresh, unlike all the other girls doesn't smell like ass. I ask, why do they smell like ass. She said "because they sit in there all the time, on shabu so they don't have to sleep, and take no shower after they fuck men, then go fuck another man, and come sit in the bar. And so they smell like ass. But men still lick their poo-say. Haha. I don't smell like ass because I just got here. I was at home. But some girls, they come sit next to me, and I smell them. I smell poo-say, and sweat, and sometimes even the cums, y' now?" Weird girl. She told me that she lied to her friend on the way out, and told her that she was going with me for 2000, because she doesn't want other girls to know that she is going for 1000 and not playing the game right. I said, I've never paid that much ST. She said, well it is true. Until you, I never go for 1000, and before last week I never went for under 2000. Biit it is slow, so last week I went for 1000-something (forget) and now I go with you for 1000. I just don't care anymore. But I will not go for 500, or 700 or 900. It has to stop, but times are slow you know, so I go for 1000 now and that is how it is. Most guys in there are wasted and will not even want to take us out. So we make no money from most guys.

So we got back, excellent BBBJ, killer body and fake rake, pussy is maybe the second or third best I've had. She can grip you with her pussy, and makes it a pop when you pull out. Awesome pussy. I thought I have to bareback this good pussy. So I thought about Rosie Odonell until my dick went limp. About 3 seconds. And feigned that the condom was just horrible. She said, you no use condom on other girl just now? It work then. I said yeah, but she wore me out and now I can't feel. She said, well you fuck me no condom but not for 1000 cause then I have to clean, so I not smell like ass, so 1, 5. I said sure (thinking that this was what I was willing to pay in the first place had she not gone for 1000 in the bar). So after that, BB mish and cowgirl. She was riding cowgirl and my dick was like a diamond. I started to shoot, and at that point, she sunk all the way down on it and started to just grind pelvis as I was cumming way up in there. Then my dick went limp and she started to freak out.

Her: You cum in my poo-say? Did you cum in my poo-say just now?

My dick popped out, all slippery and stuff. And she then started pawing at her pussy trying to reach inside and get something. Got a little goop from her pussy on her fingers and started rubbing them together, looking at the goop toward toward the sunlight, try to figure it out.

Her: Oh God. I think you just cum in my poo-say. Why you do that?

Me: No, give me some more BJ and he will wake up.

Her: You cum in me. You did. I think you did. You did? You did?

Me: No, no, come on now and suck it.

So she sucked it for maybe another 10 minutes and was very frustrated about why I would not cum. Then she said, 'ohhh. Why. Why you do that. I think you cum in my poo-say' and then ran off to the bathroom with her purse. From her purse she extracted a bottle of blue listerine and although I could not see everything, somehow was trying to perform a douche with a cup of listerine and the bidet spray head. How she could effectively do that, when she had made me shoot in her balls deep, I do not know. But the pussy is skilled and maybe she can suction a cup of listerine into her vag with only the muscles and the assistance of a bidet spray. LOL. I was waiting for the repercussion. She came out, and said something, and I commented on her fake tits and being so vain she immediately forgot being pissed, and told me yeah, asshole I know that. I had these 3 years, and they are good for 10. I caused a accident once when a construction worker saw them and steered into something. I felt bad for him. So, shot forgotten, I gave her the 1500 and she was on her merry way.

Anyway, that is the result of my first 19 hours in town. Fun so far.

One thing that is constant about these girls: Every girl will tell me that all the other girls are on shabu and diseased. Every girl tells me this, on the way to the hotel or after fuck, or both. Many girls, they all on shabu, like crystal meth, you know? I say yeah. Then they say, and many girls sick. You have be careful. Like clockwork. Today the second girl claimed that there are girls who are banned from MBC for having disease..and of course she also mentioned that every other girl in the place is a shabu head while she is only a recreational user. Its my opinion that without chemicals, it would be nearly impossible to make a living in MBC. Because they will camp in there for days, it seems, waiting to hook a guy. Even the better looking ones are not that busy, and the others dont hardly have a chance. I don't know why they bother.

[Devils 1]

I was ready to go and at that moment the crazy girl that threatened to find me if she go preggers from BB, appeared out of NOWHERE! Not preg, and she was cool and started chatting me up. I was a little drunk. The other girl said, come lets go, now, you no talk to her. The BB girl said, hey you going with her? I said yeah. She said, how much she want, that girl? I said P1000. She said, you go me, I go free. I gave the former girl P100 for the loss of her time, to smooth things over, since she didn't have a drink or anything. And ended up walking out of MBC with the crazy girl from last trip. I said, why do you go with me for free, what do you want? She said, I don't want anything, I been out clubbing, I tired, we go back to hotel, fuck sleep and I know you will give me something.

So after that, BB mish and cowgirl. She was riding cowgirl and my dick was like a diamond. I started to shoot, and at that point, she sunk all the way down on it and started to just grind pelvis as I was cumming way up in there. Then my dick went limp and she started to freak out.

Her: You cum in my poo-say? Did you cum in my poo-say just now?

My dick popped out, all slippery and stuff. And she then started pawing at her pussy trying to reach inside and get something. Got a little goop from her pussy on her fingers and started rubbing them together, looking at the goop toward toward the sunlight, try to figure it out.

Her: Oh God. I think you just cum in my poo-say. Why you do that?

Me: No, give me some more BJ and he will wake up.

Her: You cum in me. You did. I think you did. You did? You did?

Me: No, no, come on now and suck it.You are just such an idiot Puta. I am really trying to cut you some slack and just enjoy the humor in your reports. But you just have a bad element about you. For some reason you think it is cool to lie to these simple girls form these small places who don't know any better. Then you come on this forum and brag about it and expect us to be impressed because you took advantage of a defenseless, uneducated girl who is just trying to make a living.

You see Puta, in my opinion, there is an implied contract here. We agree to pay the girls for them showing us a good time. They make more money in a couple of hours with us then they could make in a week in a normal job. But in return we get a great lay that would be very expensive in our western countries. It is a perfect system if everybody follows the basic guidelines and is generous and honest. But you have something serious wrong with your mind that won't let you live up to your end of the agreement without fucking somebody over. It is one of the most dickhead things I have heard in a long time, you bargain her down on the price, then you cum inside her, then you lie to her about it. What is the point, are you trying to get her pregnant and not let her have a chance to stop it?

I'm going to PM you my number, if you are any kind of a man you will call me so we can meet up and discuss your manners!

[Topmanten]

She was hardly 19, no kids, excellent boobs, so solid young and natural boobs, very responsive nipples, and total GFE, ready to do what ever requested and happy to pose for photo, very rare to find all these in a young girl of 19!

[Sxxxx]

Undercoverh, A lot of guys have done what you dream of doing. It sounds good on the surface, your own private young virginal puss to bareback. On the other hand, it will most likely not work out as you envision. .Obviously your a man of experience and insight. I would have written almost identically the same. His plan is a sure way to Heartbreak Hotel.

[Sxxxx]

Over the years I have been to a number of places like that. Three areas come to mind in Manila.The first is .Brown Rail, thanks for that report.

[Robbaf]

Aren't they going to church anyway?I got a text from a girl last week saying she was on her to way to church. I asked her what she is going to church for and she told me she asked god to forgive her for all of her boom boom.

Robb

[Fast Buck Artist]

Http://www.chicken8.com/video/13034/no-liar.html

Love it.Its fake, the audio don't match the video.

But I've seen lots of scenes like this in real life.

[Member #3439]

You are just such an idiot Puta. I am really trying to cut you some slack and just enjoy the humor in your reports. But you just have a bad element about you. For some reason you think it is cool to lie to these simple girls form these small places who don't know any better.I maybe I left some things out and you didn't get the whole picture. Glad you find the humor. In that case, inside you must be of similar mind and your objections are cursory, just a result of good upbringing and moral training. Besides, the morality of P4P is a tough subject to tackle and make value judgements. Hmm. Which monger is more ethical, me, who treats the girls nice and does normal sex to natural completion. Or the other guys that take them back and brutally ass fuck them, pull their hair, and treat them like meat. If I go with a girl once, she always is willing to to go again. If I go back today, that same girl will go with me today and not complain if I shoot there. Because they like repeat customers. Because I am nice to them. Even let her have some pringles from the minibar on her way out. She was grateful. Every girl that I've been with still likes me, even though I do this. They chose to play the game. They know what they are doing.

I am not trying to impress anyone. If I was a smooth operator, then I would be up in Tokyo banging non-pros for free and not flying down to PI. I am just telling the story as it occurred. For your entertainment, and so people who have never been here get an idea of what it it can be like. Maybe someone sees what not to do. I don't know. Just take it for what it is, information.

1. I did low ball her on price. 1000. But after, she changed up on me and hit me another 500 for the bareback. Aggravating.

Keep in mind, for P1000 and some chicken wings, the girl the night was willing to do bareback twice and stayed 10 hrs, and was asking me to cum in her. And then she suggested that we hang out because her 'boyfriend' that she met in a club is back in Melbourne. You know those guys, that meet PI girls and think they are in love or something, with a hooker but don't know shes a hooker. Apparently that girl meets guys in clubs, and fucks them for purses and things like that, and then considers them a BF if they will send money after they go home..haha. I said, no I don't need a girlfriend. She said no, I have a BF, I mean just hang out. No thanks.!...I think I gave her an extra 500 out of the goodness of my heart, for a total of P1500, and sent her on her way. I don't hang out with hookers and build expectations for more money. I don't need the drama.

2. Based on her comments, if I had offered 500 and started to walk out the door, she would have come with me for 500! And hated herself for it, but she would have taken it. I think daytime hunting in MBC is the BEST for wheeling and dealing on price. There are plenty of girls, and most of the guys in there look like they are bombed out, hung over. I know I could pull for maybe 700, easy. But I don't do it, because really 1000 or 500, are both the same to me. I know the girls need the extra money, for drugs, club entrances, internet, etc. so I help them out.

So when I pay more than the rock bottom price I am enabling the girls with money for clubs, for internet, etc so they can rip off non-pro foreign guys in their spare time. And I do not feel bad about that either because the guys should know better. These girls are smarter than people give them credit for. They may not be educated. But but they know exactly what they are doing with men, how we tick, how to manipulate and scam, and yes contraception and all that. Its how they sit at computers and scam college educated foreigners into sending that hard earned money, right?

3. She never told me not to cum inside and was trying her damndest to make it happen. When my dick got all swollen up and ready to pop, that's when she sunk down and started all the pelvis grinding. These girls always get frustrated with me because I am not that turned on and take forever to cum. In the end, they are worn out from humping and just want it over with. I was a little suprised when she got surprised. She must now that when a girl gets on top and humps a hundred times a minute with a guy's jimmy up in her belly, he is gonna squirt in there? LOL. Birds and the bees. I knew this stuff when I was like 7.

4. Not a simple poor girl from the sticks. Defenseless, no. The girl even had has fake tits. For 3 years now. Not exactly a naive girl fresh from province. Arrogant and considers herself a force to be reckoned with. I told her her tits look awesome. She said, well I know that, asshole..I wonder how many lover-struck foreigners sent her money to pay for those. .

So she got the same amount I would pay other girls. P1500, for BBBJ, BBFS, and pop inside. I have paid up to 2000, but that is only when the girl would spend a night at the hotel.

[WestCoast1]

you bargain her down on the price, then you cum inside her, then you lie to her about it.The girls, of course, never lie. Here's my favorite non-lie: "oooohhh baby you so guapo!"

[Wolvenvacht]

Its fake, the audio don't match the video.It is not fake, I have seen the video elsewhere with perfect audio and video syncing. And she is not Pinay, she is Thai.

[FreebieFan]

The girls, of course, never lie. Here's my favorite non-lie: "oooohhh baby you so guapo!"And I thought it was only me they said it to! LOL.

Don't tell me they also tell you " wow. Thats the biggest dick I've seen ".

[Member #3439]

Yesterday I was coming out of Robinsons Mall, near Starbucks and was picked up by a big titty hotty that grabbed my arm and would not let go. P1000, she do everything. Kept a hold of me through traffic, all that. Despite my efforts to shake her. Looking back, she could have easily picked my pocket. She would not have found much, cause I don't carry much. But all the same these girls are dangerous and I would be aware. When they have a hold of your arm, and you are dodging Jeepneys, picking the pocket would be sooo easy!

It is a little difficult to deal with, cause the girls get so close and are so persistent. It's not like you can shove them away or anything, or that they will let go when you tell them no. Like the TV show in the US, 'When Animals Attack', they could have one in Phils called 'When Girls Attack'

I have to give it the the Filipinos, they really know how to get men to come to malls. In the US, a man cannot be dragged kicking and screaming to a shopping mall. Here, I think, hmm, going to the mall sounds..WONDERFUL!


The girls, of course, never lie. Here's my favorite non-lie: "oooohhh baby you so guapo!"Yeah, the only way to win with them, is to get down on their level. Become that cold subhuman sperm shooting, peso shooting machine that they think you are! Squirt-cha-ching!

[RCA Knight]

Had unexpected long stay here from work. Walked to LA Cafe or Manila Bay Cafe about 10 times during my long stay. Lots of desperate older girls downstairs, went early there several times, and 2 of the times found quite good looking older girls both have kids, but gave me really good service, both CIM, paid them 1500 peso, and another 3 times with younger girls with no babies.

2 of them were quite accommodating, let me do what I like the most, the mouth special. One picked up from downstairs back room, paid 2000, and the other from upstairs, paid 2500, no discount, I was horny that night and maybe weak in power bargain. The girls upstairs ask from 2500-3000, but they may get desperate and go much cheaper as night gets old, but I never stayed past 11 PM. I think these few good and younger ones get picked quite early by Japan / Korean guys.

The only failure was a girl from upstairs, brought to me by an over zealous waitress. Agreed 2500, but service was so bad, I mean dead fish. 3 second BJ, plus stinky body ordor, I gave her 2000 quickly just to get it over.

I used ST rooms in Malate Sogo, because did not want to take girl back to my hotel room for many reasons, Sogo has economy room for 250? But always full, so ended up using delux ST room every times, expensive 600. One time used the Amazonia Bar ST room, very expensive and very lousy room for 600 pesos. Malate Sogo much better, it's 50 peso taxi ride from LA Cafe.