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[RasSpewtin]

The girls, of course, never lie. Here's my favorite non-lie: "oooohhh baby you so guapo!"Westcoast, I have followed your posts and have appreciated your detailed info sharing from which I have also benefited. But I don't feel too comfortable with dismissing Mr. Puta's arrogant and dismissive attitude towards the overall welfare of Filipinas. If a Filipina calls us guapo without meaning it, then we get an ego stroke with limited value. No harm done. If a Filipina turns out to be a runner, then we do not realize the full return on investment on our 1, 500 to 3, 000 pesos and will feel some residual frustration, but we are all big boys and we will recover. The financial losses and emotional frustration should not be that big a deal to a grown man who has been mongering for some years and knows the risks.

But on the other hand, when you lie to a Filipina and knowingly dump loads of sperm into her with less than honest intent, then she will be the one to pick up the pieces when the baby arrives. She will need to find the way to raise the baby, work even harder in the bars, send her kid to her mom in the probeens, etc etc. This is not kind, not cool, and not good by any definition that I am prepared to accept. Unless of course we accept the responsibility of support.

Yes, we are all mongers. But the day that we commit acts that leave people less fortunate than us in even less fortunate situations is the day that we need to question our worth. Just my 50 cents on the morality topic.

Over and out;
Raz

[Tally Wacker]

Originally Posted by Fast Buck Artist

Its fake, the audio don't match the video.


It is not fake, I have seen the video elsewhere with perfect audio and video syncing. And she is not Pinay, she is Thai.When converting video to a different format the audio can get screwed up and not formated corectly with video. Pretty funny one!

[Chocha Monger]

devils you have been member of this forum for a long time so i am puzzled as to why pp post offends you so.

one member forced the help he referred to as his 'sex slave' to eat a slice of bread covered in semen from various men.

one member while boasting of financial excess refuses to give the help anything of real value as if the help wouldn't be elsewhere if they had options.

one member proudly defecates on the help.

one member proudly [CodeWord110] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord110) on the help.

pluta playa is just another cog in the international mongering machine.

just sleep tight at night knowing there are men out there similar to or far worse than puta and hope you never have a wayward daughter.i read puta playa's 'why you cum in my poo-say? oh why? why? ' post and found it quite humorous and entertaining. it did show puta playa's dark and sinister side as a monger but as fifty pesos pointed out puta's peccadilloes appear trivial and insignificant in comparison to the deviant sexual acts these girls suffer at the hands of other mongers on a daily basis. it's possible the girl's vacuum-like poo-say drew all of puta playa's seed into her womb when he delivered that balls deep cream pie to her cervix but it is unlikely that a professional hooker who invested in breast implants would have left herself entirely open to pregnancy. if she did, puta will have viagra salesman for a son or a bar girl for a daughter. is that the absolutely worst thing that can happen? ted kaczynski grew up in the usa and graduated from harvard then went on to become the unabomber. he was not the result of the copulation between a bar girl and a devilish monger.

mongering is basically finding poor desperate women in failed states and fucking them on your terms. take these same women out of their impoverished hopeless environment and bring them to your countries in the west and then try your luck with them. i doubt they'the agree so readily to your lecherous advances. mongering involves exploiting weakness and despair. the levels of exploitation vary on the degree of deviancy among individual mongers but at the end of the day every monger is just an individual part of the international mongering machine, a machine whose individuals parts share and analyze information on where to find these vulnerable women and fuck the shit out of them for the lowest possible price much like the circuitry in a central processing unit. unlike a cpu there are no rules or algorithms when it comes to mongers' behavior. each individual does what he pleases as far as the circumstances and the girls will permit. puta playa is not unique in any way as far as giving the girls bareback cream pies without employing birth control methods. reports chronicling similar actions minus the theatrics can be found throughout the forum. as for puta playa's lack of honesty with the girl that is pretty much standard behavior between mongers and hookers. it's hardly a game between gentlemen and ladies. sometimes the hooker will win and rob or extort the monger, and other times the monger will get away with giving the girl a bareback cream pie or running off without paying as agreed. it's a predator and prey relationship with interchanging roles.

[WestCoast1]

But on the other hand, when you lie to a Filipina and knowingly dump loads of sperm into her with less than honest intent, then she will be the one to pick up the pieces when the baby arrives. She will need to find the way to raise the baby, work even harder in the bars, send her kid to her mom in the probeens, etc etc. This is not kind, not cool, and not good by any definition that I am prepared to accept. Unless of course we accept the responsibility of support.

Over and out;

RazRas, thanks for the input. Reasonable minds can disagree. If the girl never mentioned her desire (while still in the bar) to not cum inside, then she gets what she gets. Also, the bargirl accepts responsibility for her contraception, not the customer. You have the order of events backwards: he didn't lie to her then dump loads of sperm into her, he dumped first then lied. The truth or a lie (after the fact) would not change the outcome of pregancy.

I would agree that Puta should not have lied about the orgasm. Just say yes. If she gets upset, remind her that she had no reservations about it in the bar.

Puta: whack your own arse twice for penance.

[Frenzy3]

PP with pay for it one day, infact any punter who thinks it ok to come to PI and take advantage of the people here I am sad to say will pay for it.

As some one who is older and wiser now I have grown up with guys like this and watched as it catches up with them.

The universe has a way to balance it all out. Remember my words the next time you lie to some one.

[Frenzy3]

Also, the bargirl accepts responsibility for her contraception, not the customer. You have the order of events backwards: he didn't lie to her then dump loads of sperm into her, he dumped first then lied. The truth or a lie (after the fact) would not change the outcome of pregancy.

I would agree that Puta should not have lied about the orgasm. Just say yes. If she gets upset, remind her that she had no reservations about it in the bar.I have posted may time these girls do not take contraception's due to their catholic belief and the cost, out of 100's of girls I have met in PI only 1 l know did, because she asked me for the money and showed me the pills.

[Sammon]

I have posted may time these girls do not take contraception's due to their catholic belief and the cost, out of 100's of girls I have met in PI only 1 l know did, because she asked me for the money and showed me the pills.There are quite a few girls in Manila who want you to be covered up. It is only when you take them more than once they get friendy and will not insist on condom. Why? Hard to say.

They figure if you take them often it is like a girlfriend. These girls never used birth control with their Phi boyfriends. So If they insist on condoms it is because some other girls told them to be safe.

Nowadays I know of many who get depo shots every three months especially if they have a regular boyfriend. But this takes care of only part of the problem. Worst thing is undiagnosed diseases they pick up barebacking.

Many girls do not even get tested even if they see problems or they take partial treatment till the symptoms disappear.

Most girls without children are afraid to take pills because they think it will kill their chances to get a baby later. Since Phi is family conscious they want children married or not.

[Emale]

Ras, thanks for the input. Reasonable minds can disagree. If the girl never mentioned her desire (while still in the bar) to not cum inside, then she gets what she gets. Also, the bargirl accepts responsibility for her contraception, not the customer. You have the order of events backwards: he didn't lie to her then dump loads of sperm into her, he dumped first then lied. The truth or a lie (after the fact) would not change the outcome of pregancy.

I would agree that Puta should not have lied about the orgasm. Just say yes. If she gets upset, remind her that she had no reservations about it in the bar.

Puta: whack your own arse twice for penance.Nice bit of "pretzel logic' on the contraception argument. Using that same line of reasoning one could argue that if a girl knowingly gave you a STD, you are to blame for not saying you did not want it before hand. I think both parties have a degree of responsibility for protection and pregnancy and I also think we have a responsibility to treat all people with decency and respect.

Ras don't get to worked up on these stories that are mostly fiction. To much detail in an attempt to make it sound plausible. Some treat this board like it it is the "Penthouse Letters" section.

[Jbiz979]

I have not use the services of a bargirl yet but from dating your average pinay, I can say that even if they have children many will not Insist on you using a condom. Only one I dated insisted, she is a single mom and a registered nurse. Most use the rhythm method or withdrawal and I don't think it has anything to do with them being catholic. From my experience it has to do with them personally not enjoying using condoms or that their lover did not want to use them. With that said if you insisted on using them they would not argue its always " up to you ".

[RasSpewtin]

Ras don't get to worked up on these stories that are mostly fiction. To much detail in an attempt to make it sound plausible. Some treat this board like it it is the "Penthouse Letters" section.Emale, thanks for the thoughts. I have no intentions of launching a flame attack, as the negative energy does not generate a positive result. I only made my views clear because I feel that I owe that much to the Filipinas. There have been many ladies in the Phils that have made my day great, and I just don't like to see them hurt due to an intentional act of carelessness.

Raz

[Breast Is Best]

First time in Manila. Internationally seasoned but this is my first trip here.

Does anyone have any specific recommendations for big tit action? Big natural tits on asian chicks. Thats my thing.

Any specific recommendations / contacts gratefully received. I treat 'them right.

Staying in Makati.

Thanks dudes!

[Topmanten]

Have a look at my post in photo gallery, ehen go to edsa clubs, you can see and select.


First time in Manila. Internationally seasoned but this is my first trip here.

Does anyone have any specific recommendations for big tit action? Big natural tits on asian chicks. Thats my thing.

Any specific recommendations / contacts gratefully received. I treat 'them right.

Staying in Makati.

Thanks dudes!

[Member #4152]

I just got home from Manila and I'm happy to say it was a very good trip! I'm still torn between Angeles and Manila. Angeles is pretty fun and pretty cheap but the girls in Manila are way hotter! Manila isn't that expensive either compared to the outside world. I guess I better go back again and do both cities on the same trip this time to figure it out! LOL.

Or should I try Thailand for the very first time?

[Member #3439]

yes, emale everything in my reports is true. penthouse letters? okay whatever. i may be new to mnl with only 2 trips, but i have many credible verifiable posts elsewhere including 3 rio rods. so maybe next time before you suggest that bs is being posted, consider the background and contributions of the accused. posting this while i am on the trip, spending mongering time doing it, so yes it is fresh out my memory and detailed. i don't necessarily post them for isg. i post them for me because i go back and look at them once in a while and it helps people too. so instead of getting pissed off at this insult and not posting, i am going to document the end of my trip, here now for me. and you can believe it or not, or agree with my methods, lack thereof, or not.

following on my last report, from st with the girl with the big fake tits and tattoo on her arm, where i came in her pussy and that was horrible. (you guys currently going to mbc know who i am talking about, she is a big time butterfly)

so i went back to mbc the next night and asked her to go back out with me, and yes, she said 'yes. ' even after i had cum in her pussy. [sorry, guys i think you care about them getting preggers more than they do..haha] but she was going out st with other guys twice just while i was sitting there, so i spotted one of those girls that doesn't look like she belongs, dressed like a school teacher or something with a checkered cardigan. very unassuming. i thought to give her a try. her english is crappy, but i took her out reluctantly for p1000. when we got back to the room, her bush is all natural, not shaved off, strange for mbc! she blew me a bit but it was not good, because of method and her teeth are screwed up. i had her stop and she mounted me bareback without even asking for a rubber. the fuck was not good. it was like she doesn't even know how to have sex, although she said she has a kid. so i went mish with her and had her legs all the way back. my dick is not big, just average. but i was bottoming out and she was acting like it hurt but not stopping me. i was getting turned off because she kept looking into my eyes the whole time, expressionless, and it was kind of freaky. so i pulled out. when i pulled out i noticed that there were spots of blood all over the place. this freaked me out big time, since i was bareback. i stopped and said i was done, and she saw the blood and didn't say anthing about it. there were a lot of splotches on the sheet and comforter. not good. after her teeth were scraping on my junk...mmm. don't think, just soldier on puta playa! so i paid her the 1000 and she left and i set my cell alarm for 3:00 am so i could go hunting for early morning lt. which means i pick up a girl about 5 and they will stay for a low price and give me 2 screws by 3 pm.

now, onto the last part, same night, early morning really:

i woke up when the cell phone alarm went off and taxied to mbc and got there at maybe 4. a girl nice looking 8/10 was introduced to me by her friend. kind of the reserved acting type. i offered her p1000, she didn't say anything. i told i end up giving girls p1500 if the service is good, and she said she will just go home if she can't get 2000 soon. she would stay until 3 pm for 2k. i sensed she was for real ready to go home, and i have no problem with 2000 lt, so we went for that. when we got back, we started with rubber and of course i worked my game and got bareback within about 5 minutes as usual. and completed the way god intended, just like people here hate me for doing. then we were just hanging out, and making out like heavy. talking. hearing all kinds of personal things from her. she is an ofw back from assignment due to something i won't discuss here, and getting ready to go back to work overseas (real job, not hooker) in a few weeks, and apparently decided to go with her friend to sell her ass to make a little interim cash to offset the ofw assignment costs. we struck it off after sex, she seemed like not a total ho, and i felt bad about doing my typical treatment to her, because she did not realize what i did in her. [later, like the next time we screwed she told me please do not cum inside because i am getting an assignment, and plus i do not want to be pregnant and not even know you] so i basically gave her like what i would call a boyfriend treatment, treated her to all the tender shit that no one here wants to hear about. as it ended up. 3 pm came and she did not want to leave, even though i suggested she go. i had lied to her and told her that i had to leave in 3 days, when in reality i needed to leave in about 12 hours, so that was why i was forcing her out a little! otherwise i would have kept her as long as she wanted, as long as she didn't ask for money. she was a little surprised that i did not want her to stay, because it was no cost. she said she was enjoying herself and liked all the kisses and stuff. we had sex about 3 or 4 times during the day and made out heavy and watched tv the rest of the time. all day long, she didn't want food or anything. just bottled water. did not sleep at all.

so we did that until 9 pm when i coerced her to leave. i told her i wanted a different girl, and she said she was sore and did not want to pick up a guy tonight, but would find it fun to go and watch other girls try to pick me up. so we agreed to meet at mbc. i went to eat at chowking and then went to mbc and figured that she would not show. but she did show up and came to sit with me, but she was not really like hookered up, looked more non-pro without fake eyelashes or anything. i had a couple beers and told her i was going back and she could come for maybe 2 hours [she didn't know i was biding time to catch a plane early morning! ] if she was truly interested, we could just make out, but then i would ask her to leave so i could get some proper sleep. she said, yeah, what do you think i came here for? so we left, went back to to the hotel. she kept her clothes on, and we made out heavy for about a half hour. it was really the most passionate kind of thing ever, like we were eating each other up. we ended up having sex again. i could not cum that way again, and wouldn't after realizing that she is trying to do something with her life, i don't want to screw it up. so i had her blow me, and she told me to tell her first and not cum in mouth, but i came in her mouth anyway since i am a real bastard. she thought it was funny though. she claimed no one had ever cum in her mouth before. everyone else had pulled put. ummm. what can i say. i don't offer an excuse. they don't get that mad about this stuff, so i do it and can ask forgiveness later, but usually don't ask.

anyway, she was there for a total of 3 hours and most of that was just making out. i asked her to leave at 3 am [told her so i could sleep, but really so i could pack! ] and walked her down through the lobby and at the taxi she asked if we could meet again and do it, the making out and all that. i said yeah, i will be back in mbc tonight and if you are not with someone for money, we can go but no pay for it. she said sure, what time will you be there, are you sure you are coming? i said yeah, sure i will see you there. but then i went back upstairs to hurry up and pack! yes, i am rotten. i felt bad about cumming in her, since she is doing this ofw thing and trying to make good, and we had one of the best times i've had with any girl, even better than non-pro. it was awesome, and really unexpected. i have never gotten a pro that got into it quite so much. like everytime she would ride me, she came for real about twice, and my chest is covered with nail scratches. the girl would go from dry to sopping pussy wet with only kissing. no financial motivation since she is getting ready to leave for overseas anyway. personally, i think she was even changing her plan to visit province to match the day when she thought i was leaving, because she liked all this stuff we were doing and expected to do it several days in a row. but i flew out. it was not easy, but the cost of changing my flight could buy a shitload of hookers, so there was no way to justify it just for 1 girl that was awesome. like in the old snoop dog song. we don't love them hos. haha. it was nice though. girl is only 40% ho, less sleazy than most non-pros in the usa dating scene, really. .

so there you have my whirlwind trip. all the gory and yes, factual stuff. now i have to go get checked because of that girl with the blood. not good, freaked me out. i have never had that happen when bb'ing, but i haven't been bb'ing that long, and pretty much only in mnl and jakarta and no place else. scary! what i get for being 'sinister'? haha, anybody that has met me says i am 'shy' nice guy. of course i am, 99%!

btw. last night in mbc, a big tall white guy, apparently sexpat, with gold chain was trying to pull from mbc for p500 and the taxi fare back from his place is known to be p200. all the girls were talking about him in tag and laughing at him, p300 profit. saying he should go outside and pick some infected girl off the street. guys, don't be that guy!

and on the subject of girls talking. get you jimmy hard or every girl in the place is laughing at you. the girl that was coming with me for free claims that only 1 other guy has taken her from mbc so far in her 4 nights at the place. her description 'a guy from denmark, tall and handsome guy, about 35, all the girls thought i was lucky to get him. he was sheet faced drunk and we went to the hotel. he let me down. he could not even get it in. it was not hard. i thought okay, next morning when he sober. but next morning, same thing, he cannot get it hard' so next day i told other girls he let me down. and when they saw him next night they laughed and he not know why they laugh..."

[Topmanten]

Have a look at a mbc girl doing the massage with baby oil!

[Member #3439]

Sometimes the hooker will win and rob or extort the monger, and other times the monger will get away with giving the girl a bareback cream pie or running off without paying as agreed. It's a predator and prey relationship with interchanging roles.Every girl I talk to in MNL has a horror story for me.

Some guy kicked them out and would not pay. Like would keep a girl for 2 days, then give her 100 pesos and have her escorted out of the hotel.

Or bring them for ST but not pay at all.

Or have them living in, and then abandon them somewhere far from home with no money.

Girls tell me that guys want some heavy duty stuff like, like gonzo porn stuff. ATM etc. And then tell me that most girls really don't want to do the nasty stuff, like having their asses bored out or ATM. The first girl that I acted like a gent toward, wanted to hang at my place for free and bang for free because in comparison I guess I seem 'nice'..lol. Some member here calls that the 'love bomb.' It's why they will still come with me. BBFS 90%, even after I cum in their pussies unannounced. I heard some girls the other day pointing to some American guys, then asked the girl next to me what they were saying, she said, 'they said those guys want to go for high price, but they will not go with the guys go because those guys are 'hard fuckers...lol. Also, MBC girls are constantly dogging on black guys and arab guys. 'Look, they sitting alone cause no girls want to go with them' The girls are fairly racist, IMO.

[Mr Enternational]

Also, MBC girls are constantly dogging on black guys and arab guys. 'Look, they sitting alone cause no girls want to go with them' The girls are fairly racist, IMO.I have gotten that vibe from only a couple of girls in MBC. One girl, who I thought was the best one in the place, was carrying on a nice conversation with me at the bar. Then I asked about leaving and she said she that she was waiting for someone. Well about an hour later that someone was still not there so I assumed she just didn't want to go with me. Then there was another girl the same night who turned up her nose at me. Other than that most girls don't have a problem going. I must say though that I am a Cheap Charlie, so when they say something like 2,500 I smoothly break away if I don't think I can get them down to my price. In two two trips to PI I have only done freelancers (besides the freebie blow row girl who I met on DIA and her coworker who I gave 600 ST to) and I have never given any of them more than 1,000 for an all nighter.

As Daddy07 was just saying in the Pattaya thread: "The girls love money much more than they hate (fill in any particular racial category)."

[Chocha Monger]

Puta Playa, I'm curious as to why you didn't take her to get emergency contraception after you busted your nuts in her poo-say? I mean she had a square job lined up and paid the rip-off OFW agency fees to go overseas and work instead of making hoing a full time profession. After all, if one likes to make money they shouldn't stand in the way of someone else making an honest buck to improve their life. Not wanting the burden of a kid but leaving the burden of a kid on a girl who doesn't want it is the sinister. The scene where the blood spattered everywhere as your dick fed upon the girl was right out of the movie Priest. I'm sure you don't really care about being infected with blood borne diseases but your infectious dick probably ended the OFW chick's dream of working abroad with one deadly cum shot. It's true that a lot of these girls don't care as much as we do about unplanned pregnancies and exotic life altering diseases. When your life is already shit it's sometimes hard to imagine it getting much worse. However, in your case I don't really see what you stand to gain by leaving behind a trail of Hepatitis B and AIDS babies with Third World prostitutes. You clearly don't want to take ownership of them or provide support so I guess it must be some kind of primal instinct to spread your DNA as far and wide as possible at the lowest possible cost to yourself. It's a strange reproductive strategy for a higher animal to adapt since it would place your offspring at the bottom of the food chain with poor prospects for survival to adulthood.

As for the girls being racist, take that with a few pinches of salt. I've found that hookers tend to say things that their prospective clients find amusing or which boosts their ego. You might be surprised to hear what the same hookers say to Asian punters about you. I've heard all the stereotypes and still seen the same prostitutes head off to suck some black, Indian, Arab or whatever balls at the end of the night when the money was tight. Filipina prostitutes in particular will fuck anyone old, blind, crippled, crazy, fat or stinky as long as they're not stingy.

[Soapy Smith]

As for the girls being racist, take that with a few pinches of salt. I've found that hookers tend to say things that their prospective clients find amusing or which boosts their ego. You might be surprised to hear what the same hookers say to Asian punters about you.I can appreciate why the racism issue might raise your hackles, but I have seen numerous instances of what PP describes. I have had various women tell me they will not take Arab or Black customers. Their reasons boil down to simple prejudice, and they do not change their tune when I point it out. I have never had one of them indicate that they refuse to go with Asian men. If their intent is to amuse a Caucasian foreigner, why would they persist in the one form of prejudice in the face of my disapproval and not play to the same ego-boosting at the expense of Asians. I have pushed some of these women hard enough about the prejudice that I'm confident I got beyond any ego-boosting theater. On several occasions I have watched women in MBC stand directly behind Black customers and make racist gestures-playing apparently to everybody in the bar, not just a potential Caucasian customer. I'll let you guess about the specific gestures. Can you honestly say you've ever seen one of them make such a bold demonstration behind the back of a Caucasian.

I have surmised that for Filipinos this is a simple exercise in pecking order. For 230 years they were subjugated by the Spanish, and then for the next 110 years they were prisoners of Hollywood. Marilyn Monroe is their beauty aspiration, not Marian Anderson. They experience a tremendous inferiority complex, and spurning Blacks and Arabs is an unfortunate expression of their wish to get a leg up on others. Money is a great equalizer in many instances, but the underlying racial prejudice is not something we can simply assume away. This argument is not an exercise in one-upsmanship; it's a cold, honest appraisal of what some of us have observed.

[Cunning Stunt]

I can assure you that, in my opinion, Filipinos are institutionally racist and this permeates all levels of society and is not just restricted to the lower echelons. I have heard otherwise intelligent, reasonable Pinoys/ays come out with some the most remarkable racist statements which would have David Duke blushing.

In my observation, I have only rarely seen girls in MBC leave with black customers and never with an arab. Many girls, particularly the more attractive, vehemently deny that they would go with black or arab men although I have yet to hear one refuse to go with a East Asian. When pressed, they trot out with the usual stereotypical garbage about black guys being too big and arabs too dirty. However, the cultural and societal biases run much deeper.

Filthy lucre does tend to overwhelm the most ingrained prejudices, so perhaps some girls will overcome their fears providing that the dosh is right.

[GoodEnough]

CS is absolutely correct in that racism here is deeply ingrained, and unlikely to disappear any time in the immediate future. Filipinos confound darker skin with inferiority-both among themselves and relative to foreigners-and though the colonial roots of their racism are easy to understand, it's not pleasant to witness. Lighter-skinned Filiipinos disdain darker-skinned countrymen and women, and most are biased against black (or darker brown) ehtnic groups. Money may temporarily alter the normal behavior, but it won't change the attitude that equates lighter skin with some sort of intrinsic superiority. Like CS, I've just seen it too many times, in too many manifestations to believe that social attitudes will change quickly.

GE

[Soapy Smith]

Filipinos confound darker skin with inferiority-both among themselves and relative to foreigners-and though the colonial roots of their racism are easy to understand, it's not pleasant to witness. Lighter-skinned Filiipinos disdain darker-skinned countrymen and women, and most are biased against black (or darker brown) ehtnic groups. Money may temporarily alter the normal behavior, but it won't change the attitude that equates lighter skin with some sort of intrinsic superiority. Like CS, I've just seen it too many times, in too many manifestations to believe that social attitudes will change quickly. GEEven the term Filipino-a name invented by the Spanish-was reserved for European-born people and creoles (those of Spanish blood born in the Philippines) until the late 19th Century. In the later 19th Century the term Filipino was extended to urbanized native elites and those of Chinese heritage who had become essentially hispanized. Offspring with European fathers clearly had advantages, and brown skinned people were simply lower class natives. Even today the preference for lighter skin is seen in advertising on TV, in magazines, and billboards. The light skin bias is hardly restricted to the Philippines.

[Red Kilt]

OK guys.

Here is some advice to help you educate your bed mates about their own bodies.

I have done extensive investigation about the levels of knowledge that girls have about their own bodies and believe me, it is very low. Most of them have zero knowledge about the risky times in the month for them to have sex.

For girls who are NOT using any form of contraception (pill or Depo) ask them if they have regular menstrual cycles. That is, does their period come regularly between Day 28 to 31 each month. If so, then you can help them with the following instruction.

Day 1 is the FIRST day of bleeding, and they then count right through until the next first day of bleeding. They should get to Day 28 to 31 before they start over again if they are regular,

Ovulation occurs mid-cycle which is around Day 13-15.

The absolutely UN-SAFE days to have unprotected sex are between Days 8 to 21. If they DO NOT want to get pregnant, then they should not f*ck unprotected between these days.

They might get away with it up to Day 10 but there is a chance the wrigglies will hang around inside for a few days and latch on to the "egg" around Day 13 to 15. If ovulation is delayed by a day or two, then sex even on Day 18 can be risky.

So, to be absolutely sure, they shouls not have sex unprotected between Days 8 to 21. As I said, they might be safe between Days 10 to 18 but it depends on how fertile the girl is and also how potent the guy's tadpoles are.

Of course, if she is IRREGULAR, with periods coming after 15 days, 35 days or sometimes not at all, then it is Russian Roulette. You must use a condom for that situation.

I am appalled that so few girls know this stuff. Amazingly, I met a girl around 6 months ago who had a bf and he was the one who knew when it was OK to f*ck and when it was risky, so he called the shots. She had no idea why they had been having sex off and on for 6 months and she had not become pregnant.

So. I know it might be a weird topic to discuss when the hormones are running high and the clothes are coming off, but for guys like Puta P and others who rely on the girl to know what she is doing, it just might add some responsibility to the act if you can establish what day they are on in their cycle.

For me it is an academic question, as (a) I always use a condom (to safeguard against STDs) and (be) I am already vasectomised so I am shooting blanks anyway.

I hope this might help those of you who prefer the bareback ride but also want to be just a little bit responsible.

[Emale]

Puta Playa......OK. Nice Story! But in your subsequent trips to the Philippines I am sure you will notice many children that are clearly half filipino and half something else. Just don't contribute to the problem.

Today I was thinking about a six word story that Ernest Hemingway once wrote............."Baby shoes for sale, never used"

[RCA Knight]

The skin tone social status stuff is not just a Filipino product. The whole Southeast Asian third worlds has this whiter lighter skin equate higher social class concept. Look at nearby Thailand, it has even worse prejudice against their own darker skin population. What about India, and all Arab countries, even the most racially liberal Brazil (unless you are Pele, Ronaldinho, or Gilberto Gil) still has some extend of this myth. We earthly humans still have a long long long way to evolve, a few thousands more years at least.

[RasSpewtin]

Day 1 is the FIRST day of bleeding, and they then count right through until the next first day of bleeding.Ovulation occurs mid-cycle which is around Day 13-15. The absolutely UN-SAFE days to have unprotected sex are between Days 8 to 21. If they DO NOT want to get pregnant, then they should not f*ck unprotected between these days.Of course, if she is IRREGULAR, with periods coming after 15 days, 35 days or sometimes not at all, then it is Russian Roulette.Red Kilt, this is very thoughtful advice. But I think that the most insightful comment is that barebacking without protection is just a game of Russian Roulette. And you are totally correct that women in general, and Filipina women in particular, have no clue about their reproductive cycle. So I have always been the one doing the math with admittedly mixed results. I had an experience in which we were doing the unprotected wild thing between my GF's Day 6 and Day 10. She conceived, and the estimated date of conception as based on ultrasound reports pointed towards Day 6 or 7 as the most likely dates that fertilization occured. So the conclusion is simple. The Rhythm Method is OK if you are a drummer, but completely unreliable in all other respects.

In anticipation of any skeptics carrying a flame thower: NO she was not a bargirl, YES I am completely involved with the child, YES I am supporting in full, and NO I don't regret it for one second.

Enough for now;

Raz

[Red Kilt]

. .

So I have always been the one doing the math with admittedly mixed results. I had an experience in which we were doing the unprotected wild thing between my GF's Day 6 and Day 10. She conceived, and the estimated date of conception as based on ultrasound reports pointed towards Day 6 or 7 as the most likely dates that fertilization occured. So the conclusion is simple. The Rhythm Method is OK if you are a drummer, but completely unreliable in all other respects.Raz. Your disclaimer is appreciated. Glad you are prepared to front up to the responsibility.

Clearly your gf fits the irregular category and the Day 6 or 7 doesn't really mean anything in your case because ovulation has occurred at an unpredictable time.

Your post reiterates the fact that if a girl is not as regular as clockwork then bareback infusion will yield a random chance of her getting pregnant. I am bemused at the cavalier manner in which both guys and girls approach this matter. Surely the prospect of generating a new life overrides any 5 minute joyride merely to get one's rocks off?

Just cannot understand it that's all.

[WestCoast1]

CS is absolutely correct in that racism here is deeply ingrained, and unlikely to disappear any time in the immediate future. Filipinos confound darker skin with inferiority-both among themselves and relative to foreigners-and though the colonial roots of their racism are easy to understand, it's not pleasant to witness. Lighter-skinned Filiipinos disdain darker-skinned countrymen and women, and most are biased against black (or darker brown) ehtnic groups. Money may temporarily alter the normal behavior, but it won't change the attitude that equates lighter skin with some sort of intrinsic superiority. Like CS, I've just seen it too many times, in too many manifestations to believe that social attitudes will change quickly.

GERacism can be found anywhere. In the States, even amongst blacks, there is racism of other blacks. The darker your skin, the more 'black' you are (not color, but culture). Blacks even have vocabulary for this kind of thing: 'oreo', 'inside-out oreo', etc. In filipines, its not just racial as in color of skin. Its cross-cultural. Luzonians can be heard to speak of low-brow persons in this put-down way: "She's so visayan." It does not matter whether the victim of the slur is visayan or not, the insulter is referring maybe to the victim's place of origin, or possibly just her behavior.

[WestCoast1]

I am bemused at the cavalier manner in which both guys and girls approach this matter. Surely the prospect of generating a new life overrides any 5 minute joyride merely to get one's rocks off?

Just cannot understand it that's all.RK, respectfully, I'm at the other end of the spectrum. Is there maybe a difference we are making between pro's and non-pro's?

I've barebacked easily hundreds of pinay. Regarding pro's first. As I make my intentions clear before departing the bar (or with SW) , there should not be a need for concern. Back in the days before I was being specific with bargirls / SW, when we just agreed to a price and left for the hotel, I also came inside them. Extremely rare that they asked for a condom in the room, and extremely rare that they pulled that stuff that the girl pulled with PP ("OMG did you just cum inside me?"). My point with pro's is this: for many years now, it seems 'understood' that I am about to fill the girl with my special sauce. After filling her up, they often give me their number and ask for a repeat, or offer a friend or cousin. Possibly one of the draw of pinay over other girls is her lack of preoccupation with this kind of thing. Its possible she's just as concerned as other ladies around the globe (it would be hard to think otherwise) , but that becomes beside the point: they just are willing to go along for the ride.

Regarding PP's plight. There are very few bargirls who insist on condoms (in my experience, they rarely mention it). She is getting herself 'filled-up' several times a month, maybe more. Is she hoping to rhythm-method that thing? Was she mad at PP that day, but not mad at the punter who did the same thing last week (when she thinks she was not ovulating)? Even if PP did impregnate her and she later hit him up for being responsible for it, there is no (realistic) way for her to determine if PP is the father (she has customers both before and after). She cannot realistically get a DNA test unless he is wanting one. My point is this: for pro's, there is little hope for getting a punter to 'man-up' in this manner. She knows that every time she walks into the bar, she's risking making a baby and raising it on her own (this is not so far outside the norm in filipines). Many men, even when they know they are responsible, don't want to 'man-up' (it might sound to you that I am one of those, but that's not true).

Regarding non-pros. The dating site girls, or girls referred to me by friends, who often want to hang with me for days. Same as above. They rarely mention condom, and they go along for the ride. If they do mention condom before we meet, I tell them its not happening. Here is her chance to cut-and-run. Rarely do they run away, they continue barreling right to the fill-up. They often get 'filled-up' more than once, willingly, knowing that I'm a butterfly (I tell them). It has been a problem only once, when a girl accused me of getting her pregnant, and then later she realized I was not the one.

Considering the large number of pinay (and other) girls that I've filled up, and so few issues (I'm much better now about detailing my explicits before-hand) , I find this odd what happened to PP (twice: once each on different visits). Other gents who bareback (only) : what is your experience with this?

[Jbiz979]

I'm a young black male and I can honestly say I have never had a problem getting a woman in the phils. Now let me be specific I have never been to mnl or cafe havana and I don't use the services of pros at least not yet. But I have noticed Asians preference for light skin. I was watching television in my hotel room and a cosmetic commercial came on about lightening your skin and another about keeping your skin fair. I must say it was a small culture shock but nothing devestating that's just their beauty standard. Now skin bleaching being sold on television was the shocker for me, as an American I have never seen that before and was concerned about the health risks. As a side note I would not take much credence to what a pinay prostitute says or many filipinas in general the Lie like rugs. I've heard things like "your my first foreigner, your best sex I ever had, the largest penis, I don't like pinoy men (although I have several kids by them and a current pinoy boyfriend) , I don't like white men, I don't like older men" you name it and I'm sure you experienced gentleman have heard it. I would not use the word Racism when describing filipinos thats too strong a word but sure there are skin tone preferences but most filipinos are very respectful and welcoming to all types of people. Also a dark skinned Filipino is called Negro or Negra thats their version of black and fair skinned are Leviste I hope I'm spelling that right, there are other terms but I don't know them all.

[Jbiz979]

Again I wouldn't use the word Racism. There is no black on black racism their is preference. Some like blondes others prefer brunettes. Some like a light or cafe tonr and others like dark to very dark. I prefer a hot looking chick no matter her hair color or complexion.

[Sky Ryder]

I thought I might try a report about something other than paternity and race relations whilst I am in Manila. I got a good deal on a nice hotel, close to Havana. I've excellent luck here in the past and was looking forward to another good evening.

Showed up about 9:15, noticed a few nice looking ladies, got a table and after a few minutes invited a lovely lass to sit and chat. I normally like girls at this type of establishment that have taken some time with their dress, makeup, etc. This gal was pretty casual with her attire, but had a nice smile, cute and good personality.

We had a couple of drinks, heard about her working in Japan for 6 months, etc. It was getting to be time to "fish or cut bait", so I asked her how much, and was floored when the response was 5K LT. 4K ST. Actually it gave me a good reason to pay the tab and move on, because she pulled out her cigarettes and lit up. She did ask for permission, and I said yes, but I don't really like a girl that smokes, period.

I told her that I don't really like a girl that's smokes, plus I have a non-smoking room, and most important that I have never paid 5K for a LT. I didn't even counter offer as she wasn't really creating a lot of interest after the price offer.

Went home single after declining the very generous offer of a couple of "gals" seated next door to Havana, and a taxi driver that was going to bring me a "movie star".

If I missed the big price increase, then I owe her an apology (I'm still not going to pay 5K) , but I don't remember anything on this board to indicate that was the "going rate". I figured 3/2 was about average. Maybe I was getting the "your a foreigner, so I will see what I can get away with" price.

Only mildly disappointed to be alone for my last night in town, more irritated to "waste" a nice hotel room!

[Jbiz979]

I thought I might try a report about something other than paternity and race relations whilst I am in Manila. I got a good deal on a nice hotel, close to Havana. I've excellent luck here in the past and was looking forward to another good evening.

Showed up about 9:15, noticed a few nice looking ladies, got a table and after a few minutes invited a lovely lass to sit and chat. I normally like girls at this type of establishment that have taken some time with their dress, makeup, etc. This gal was pretty casual with her attire, but had a nice smile, cute and good personality.

We had a couple of drinks, heard about her working in Japan for 6 months, etc. It was getting to be time to "fish or cut bait", so I asked her how much, and was floored when the response was 5K LT. 4K ST. Actually it gave me a good reason to pay the tab and move on, because she pulled out her cigarettes and lit up. She did ask for permission, and I said yes, but I don't really like a girl that smokes, period.

I told her that I don't really like a girl that's smokes, plus I have a non-smoking room, and most important that I have never paid 5K for a LT. I didn't even counter offer as she wasn't really creating a lot of interest after the price offer.

Went home single after declining the very generous offer of a couple of "gals" seated next door to Havana, and a taxi driver that was going to bring me a "movie star".

If I missed the big price increase, then I owe her an apology (I'm still not going to pay 5K) , but I don't remember anything on this board to indicate that was the "going rate". I figured 3/2 was about average. Maybe I was getting the "your a foreigner, so I will see what I can get away with" price.

Only mildly disappointed to be alone for my last night in town, more irritated to "waste" a nice hotel room!I had a remotely similar situation one night on my trip. My regular girl went home to las pinas to be with her kid and family so I had a night alone. The following morning I went to the mega mall and picked up this 19 year old really sexy body, cute face she had two kids. I asked her would she like to have dinner with me, she said she would love to but she was waiting for her sister, so we began to talk and walk the mall together about 40 minutes later her sister showed up, a nice kid about 16 I took them both to pizza hut. After we ate I asked her would she come back with me she said she couldn't come today because their was no one to watch her two kids but she will come tomorrow but she doesn't have a phone load, so of course I bought her a phone load 300 pesos. The next morning we text each other she says she can come over but she won't come alone she has 3 friends and they would like to meet me and have some drinks and also that she was having trouble with her electric bill and could I give her 2000 pesos, I offered 1500 and I would pay for their transportation to and from makati, she agreed. About an hour or so later she shows up with 3 hot friends now I would love to tell you I boned them all but I didn't she wouldn't allow it, gods know I tried. So they come to my hotel I have a bottle of strawberry vodka and some orange mix, we're drinking and listening to music their dancing seductively and of course I brought out the handy camcorder. So now me and the 19 year old are kissing I'm getting really turned on so I direct her to the bathroom she waves at her friends as I lead her to the bath saying "good byeee" with a cute grin and laugh. Next thing I know we're going at it I bone her on the wall, the toilet the shower, I poped two loads back to back when she was riding me this young girl was phenominal! I eventually redeemed myself by making her cum in the shower and in doggy position. After our session we dress and restart the partying with her friends. On another day I was alone I went on filipinocupid around 11pm and met another pinay named Maricar we chattrd for awhile and I invited her over this was around 12am then. I told her to take a taxi and I would pay for her transportation since she was coming for Quezon city and it was so late. She asked me what are we going to do? I said just talk. LOL! She said ok and around 130am maybe a little after she shows up very cute and playful and for about 2 hours we just talk and slowly I would kiss her on the lips just small pecks and she would act very shy and giggle and we would talk some more, around 6am we are both naked and I'm inside her missionary. So I would suggest if the pros don't pane out at mnl or havana their are plenty of chicks in the malls and on dating sites that would love to come to your hotel and enjoy your air conditioning and company.

[GoodEnough]

I'm a young black male and I can honestly say I have never had a problem getting a woman in the phils. Now let me be specific I have never been to mnl or cafe havana and I don't use the services of pros at least not yet. But I have noticed Asians preference for light skin. I was watching television in my hotel room and a cosmetic commercial came on about lightening your skin and another about keeping your skin fair. I must say it was a small culture shock but nothing devestating that's just their beauty standard. Now skin bleaching being sold on television was the shocker for me, as an American I have never seen that before and was concerned about the health risks. As a side note I would not take much credence to what a pinay prostitute says or many filipinas in general the Lie like rugs. I've heard things like "your my first foreigner, your best sex I ever had, the largest penis, I don't like pinoy men (although I have several kids by them and a current pinoy boyfriend) , I don't like white men, I don't like older men" you name it and I'm sure you experienced gentleman have heard it. I would not use the word Racism when describing filipinos thats too strong a word but sure there are skin tone preferences but most filipinos are very respectful and welcoming to all types of people. Also a dark skinned Filipino is called Negro or Negra thats their version of black and fair skinned are Leviste I hope I'm spelling that right, there are other terms but I don't know them all.I guess maybe we should stipulate definitions of racism. For me, any discrimination based on skin color, ethnicity, or cultural group is racism, and it's pervasive here, not only among uneducated Filipinos but also among the more elite groups. Anyone who has lived here for a long enough time has, I'm sure witnessed the hierarchy of acceptability, which pertains not only to standards of beauty but to assessments of individual worth. This is not to argue that all Filipinos are racist of course, but deeply-held social values relative to skin color, ancestry, clans and tribal groups permeate the culture. It's easy to understand given the rampant discrimination practiced against Filipinos during the approximately 250 years of Spanish occupation, but understanding it doesn't make it any more palatable when one lives and works here.

I suspect that visible racism is less obvious in bars and clubs, where the only color that matters much is the color of money. The fact is though that darker skinned (moreno / morena) Filipinos have a tougher time than their lighter skinned countrymen or women. It's not really an accident that the richest people in the country are those with Spaniish Ancestry and the Chinese.

GE

[Jbiz979]

I guess maybe we should stipulate definitions of racism. For me, any discrimination based on skin color, ethnicity, or cultural group is racism, and it's pervasive here, not only among uneducated Filipinos but also among the more elite groups. Anyone who has lived here for a long enough time has, I'm sure witnessed the hierarchy of acceptability, which pertains not only to standards of beauty but to assessments of individual worth. This is not to argue that all Filipinos are racist of course, but deeply-held social values relative to skin color, ancestry, clans and tribal groups permeate the culture. It's easy to understand given the rampant discrimination practiced against Filipinos during the approximately 250 years of Spanish occupation, but understanding it doesn't make it any more palatable when one lives and works here.

I suspect that visible racism is less obvious in bars and clubs, where the only color that matters much is the color of money. The fact is though that darker skinned (moreno / morena) Filipinos have a tougher time than their lighter skinned countrymen or women. It's not really an accident that the richest people in the country are those with Spaniish Ancestry and the Chinese.

GEI think the word your looking for is Prejudice. Now if in fact a dark skinned Filipino is not afforded the opportunities of their lighter counter-part than we both agree thats certainly discrimination and quite ridicously at that. Now if for instance a Filipino was to deny another ethic or race opportunities based on those mentioned than that would be racism. Now theres no need to spend much time on words or terms if in fact there is racism, discrimination or prejudice in the phils than thats certainly a shame. But if history tells us anything is that the conquered are usually the ones that are left poor and in shambles. So its not surprising that filipinos with Spanish ancestry or of mixed origins are wealthier than the indigenous peoples we have seen this since time and memorial. But I'm curious is this prejudice based solely on complexion or the presumption that if one is dark than one is not wealthy.

[RasSpewtin]

I thought I might try a report about something other than paternity and race relations whilst I am in Manila. Only mildly disappointed to be alone for my last night in town, more irritated to "waste" a nice hotel room!Hey, Sky Ryder:

I understand that the recent rants about paternity may be tedious to those looking for more juice. So back we go to the topic at hand, Some simple adviice for you. Makati malls are great for shopping, but not so great for girl shopping. If it is the latter that you seek, then may I suggest the following in the order of prevalence;

1. Burgos Street bars. Bottoms. High cost. Very cute girls at night.

2. Burgos Street. Rogues. Medium cost. Mostly single Moms, some cuties.

3. Manila Bay Cafe. You can do the research here.

4. Angeles City. Lots of info here also.

Havana Cafe and other venues in upscale Manila are not great in my humble opinion.

Over and out;

Raz

[Luvpuss]

Raz. Your disclaimer is appreciated. Glad you are prepared to front up to the responsibility.

Clearly your gf fits the irregular category and the Day 6 or 7 doesn't really mean anything in your case because ovulation has occurred at an unpredictable time.

Your post reiterates the fact that if a girl is not as regular as clockwork then bareback infusion will yield a random chance of her getting pregnant. I am bemused at the cavalier manner in which both guys and girls approach this matter. Surely the prospect of generating a new life overrides any 5 minute joyride merely to get one's rocks off?

Just cannot understand it that's all.Thats why I love having a vasectomy.

[GoodEnough]

But I'm curious is this prejudice based solely on complexion or the presumption that if one is dark than one is not wealthy.Actually, the word I was looking for was racism, but perhaps arguing over definitions isn't important. The bias against darker-skinned Filipinos goes much deeper than financial considerations as I said in my last post. It goes to perceived value as a person. Lighter-skinned people are perceived often as simply "better," with darker-skinned Filipinos who happen to be Muslim at the bottom of the taxonomy.

GE

[Member #3439]

Actually, the word I was looking for was racism, but perhaps arguing over definitions isn't important. The bias against darker-skinned Filipinos goes much deeper than financial considerations as I said in my last post. It goes to perceived value as a person. Lighter-skinned people are perceived often as simply "better," with darker-skinned Filipinos who happen to be Muslim at the bottom of the taxonomy.

GEThe MBC freebie that kept slamming on the Africans, wore ghost paint just like this Indon girl below (who BTW took BB shot with knowledge 5 days in a row, no complaints unlike Phils girls, maybe Indons have BC?)

Later she was blowing me with all the lights on in the room, and I finally noticed the contrast between her face and body. Face as white as my devil dick, body maybe 2 shades lighter than my hair. LOL. I thought, what's she talking about. I have heard that the whole thing with complexion in SEA stems from people who labor in the fields / paddies / whatever (sun tan) , vs people who sit inside and reap the profit. Seems plausible. As for me, I prefer my girls a nice brown so they could leave the ghost paint in the hooker bag. Better to look like you work in a field, than to look like you work in geriatric foreigners beds..better to fill a rice sack, than to empty a nut sack?

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[Cunning Stunt]

I have a former honeyko who is an absolutely delightful girl both in looks and personality. She has a smile that lights up a room and is witty and intelligent to boot. But she is very dark skinned and therefore according to the mores of the culture in which she was raised, she is considered ugly. Moreover she herself developed a very poor self image inculcated over her life by overwhelming negative societal prejudices. She worked in a factory for a while but then met an white guy who was attracted to her by the very attribute which is disdained by her own people. So eventually, after this relationship failed, she began working as a GRO and later as a LAC freelancer, which is where I met her. Here she was very popular and accepted, because of her vibrant personality but mainly down to her chocolate skin tone. Her clients were nearly always white and very rarely East Asian, who tend to prefer pale skinned girls.

I enjoyed her great company and lovely rounded curves many times (I was an LAC regular back then) but, as they do, she eventually disappeared off the scene and we lost touch. I like to think that she met a guy who appreciated her for her sweet nature and lovely looks and snapped her up as a wife but that is probably fallacious.

Brown skinned girls can have it tough in The Philippines.

[Chocha Monger]

When one discusses the racism of another race there is always the danger of projecting one's personal view points, prejudices and racial beliefs upon the race in question. White Westerners will inevitably see Filipino racism through the prism of their own history of enslavement and exploitation of other races. It is impossible for them to divorce their long held beliefs and emotions from any interpretation of racism among other peoples. Whenever Europeans enslaved and committed genocide against another race it was necessary to resolve this with their Christian dogma of 'love your fellow man as you love yourself. ' This was done by depicting the race that was targeted for aggression and subjugation as less human, and therefore not a fellow man. This freed them from any obligation to act in a civilized manner towards the inhabitants of any land that was plundered for its resources. So, understandably when white Western males speak for Filipinas as far as their racial views are concerned I am inclined to view it with much skepticism. After all, the racist legacy left behind by Western colonialism was a construct imposed on the native population to benefit those of European ancestry and deprive the indigenous people of any opportunity for advancement under colonial rule. The results of this institutionalized racism are seen in today's failed state of the Republic of the Philippines. When Westerners chafe at the corruption, inefficiencies, and lack of property rights and justice for outsiders it might do them well to remember under whose tutelage the Filipinos developed this society.

White or light skinned Filipinos may constitute the majority of the ruling class. However, it might be going too far to say that white or light skin is a ticket into the ranks of the elite. There are many light skinned prostitutes selling their asses in the various paid sex venues of Manila. Obviously, white skin does little to improve the lot of those unfortunate individuals as they are still being mounted and pounded by scores of sex tourists as are their darker sisters in Angeles City.

If there is a white skin benefit when it comes to valuing a person it certainly does not apply to foreigners. It is well known that Filipinos appear to murder, rob, defraud, and imprison white foreigners with reckless abandon. One might even say that being a white foreigner in the Philippines is a liability due to the regularity that this demographic is targeted for such treatment at the hands of locals.

As you can see this issue is rather complex, and as many Philippine social issues, can hardly be explained by sex monger sociologists. As anyone can see from reading the thousands of anecdotes posted on the forum mongers are at a lost when it comes to deciphering individual Filipina behavior much less that of the population at large. Even PhDs in sociology would find the often contradictory behaviors and beliefs of Filipinos a challenge to study and explain.

[GoodEnough]

Chocha Monger, I find the last sentence of your post particularly interesting and accurate. The longer I'm here, the less I understand, and I've been trained to understand. I never meant to insinuate that lighter skin was a ticket to the good life. Obviously there are multiple factors and multiple forces in play here, and they all interact to produce this uniquely failed state as you accurately describe it. This culture-to the extent that there's an actual "Filipino culture"-cannot be understood through the prism of any single concept, nor was it my intention to claim otherwise.

The "privilege" that attaches to white skinned foreigners-heightened chances to be kidnapped or robbed-obviously relate to the common perception that equates white foreigners with economic opportunity. While I don't disagree with your perception of increased risk, I would argue that it stems from jealousy of what we're perceived to have.

There are several young Sociologists at Ateneo de Manila who argue, quite cogently, that generalizations about Filipino culture are impossible, simply because the country has never succeeded in creating a national culture. Rather, they contend, this is a country of balkanized tribal / regional cultures that can only be understood within their own contexts. My experiences working with local communities in Mindanao lends some credence to this assertion.

I suppose that the above is somewhat of a digression from my original point from which I've not been dissuaded: that racism is a thread that runs through much of the country; that white is somehow "better" than brown. I've simply observed too much of the society not to believe this. This does not of course mean that it's the defining trait of the society. Perhaps, as an American whose country engaged the slave trade since before its creation, and that still houses huge pockets of hard core racists, I'm somewhat sensitive to the practice when I see it prevalent elsewhere, or perhaps as a social scientist, I'm just trying to make sense out of what I observe.

As someone will doubtless point out sooner or later, this point has probably been belabored enough and is far removed from the major interest of most who frequent this site.

GE

[Soapy Smith]

If there is a white skin benefit when it comes to valuing a person it certainly does not apply to foreigners. It is well known that Filipinos appear to murder, rob, defraud, and imprison white foreigners with reckless abandon. One might even say that being a white foreigner in the Philippines is a liability due to the regularity that this demographic is targeted for such treatment at the hands of locals.Well known? Reckless abandon? I'd say Filipinos murder, rob, and defraud each other far more frequently than they do white foreigners. As to targeting white foreigners more than other foreigners, could this perception be partially the result of greater media attention to those cases as opposed to those involving East Asians, South Asians, or Middle Easterners? I suspect that, to the extent some foreigners are at greater risk, it's primarily driven by the locals' perceptions about whose pockets are most likely to yield rewards.

[Starlets]

I have RTFF in order to plan my upcoming trip to Manila and I've tried to summarize it below. Please correct the following and answer any quesions:

GOGO BARS.

EDSA Entertainment Complex, has medium looking girls. BF + LT is typically 1400 BF + 2000-3000. What are the rates for ST?

P Burgos Road, has better looking girls. What are the rates for ST and LT?

FREELANCERS / SEMIPROS.

Manila Bay Cafe (aka MBC) used to be good for finding medium looking freelancers (even during daytime) , but is no longer good. Correct?

Havana (greenbelt mall, Ayala Center) has freelancers and some semipros. What are the going rates for ST and LT?

Robinson Mall. Which Robinson Mall is it and what are the rates?

BROTHELS / MASSAGE PARLORS.

Roman Suites, brothel close to New World Hotel. FS about PHP 3000. How long and how many pops are allowed?

Executive Health Club, Quezon Ave, Quezon City, has real hotties. Is the price still PHP 2700 (room plus girl)? How long and how many pops are allowed?

Sylvanus, located over Manila Bay Cafe. FS for PHP 3000. How long and how many pops are allowed?

Palacio Don Pedro, near P Burgos road. Where exactly is it located and what are the rates?

Various upscale places in Quezon City that are ridiculously expensive.

I would really love to have a summary page for each city where you can find basic information like the above, without having to spend 10+ hours reading through the forum. Thanks for any help.

[TazDevil]

Well known? Reckless abandon? I'd say Filipinos murder, rob, and defraud each other far more frequently than they do white foreigners. As to targeting white foreigners more than other foreigners, could this perception be partially the result of greater media attention to those cases as opposed to those involving East Asians, South Asians, or Middle Easterners? I suspect that, to the extent some foreigners are at greater risk, it's primarily driven by the locals' perceptions about whose pockets are most likely to yield rewards.Apparently, they are in it for the easy bucks. Recently, an article in the Filipino Reporter stated a Wayne, New Jersey Filipina female doctor 84 years old was cited for over prescribing Oxycodone with bail set at $1 million cool ones. Isn't there a mandatory retirement age for doctors? She was a psychiatrist. I guess her patients had severe headaches.

Another article in the same paper stated that there were 3 other Filipino doctors over the past few years, two men and one woman who were caught up in the same scheme where they would write excessive prescriptions for Oxycodone. The woman doctor was the youngest at age 69. She was also charged with several manslaughter counts as there was 11 deaths from overdose of her patients. This was in Florida.

So, my point is this: Even though they come to the US to live the good life with a doctor's education, they still go astray because of greed for the almighty dollar. I think a lot of them have a defective gene that causes this greed.

I also have personal experience where I had a 3 year romance with a Filipina domestic helper in Hong Kong. I would travel to HK for a month at a time staying in her apartment during that time. Would make about 4 trips to HK a year. Each one was like a honeymoon. I fell in love with her sweetness, etc. And never asked for money. After two years, things seemed to be slacking off and she seemed to be more interested in asking for money for her daughter's computer for studying, other reasons for extra bucks were requested and of course, I was in love. Finally, I woke up one day and said enough is enough.

Of course, I miss her as she was one of the most adventurous, warm girls I'll probably ever meet. But, she did get to me for a couple of thousand. Since then, she's been a domestic helper in Oman, Beirut and Sidney. She still keeps in touch every few months or so and of course, I'm the sucker to allow the communication. I was 25 years older as she was 35 then.

[El Greco]

I would really love to have a summary page for each city where you can find basic information like the above, without having to spend 10+ hours reading through the forum. Thanks for any help.You bet! But that would result in much lesser clicks. Something not desirable for any site.

On the other hand it is a hard work that someone with great knowledge of the city (any city) must do. Are you ready to do it for your city? LOL.

The only one that I know that exists is Bubba boy's guide for Rio de Janeiro and Traveler69's lists on south and central America. Plus one list for Quito and a map for Bangkok.

Have fun with whatever is available mate.

Thanks

[Deon123]

I visited Manila for 4 days during the last week of August. This was my first trip and I had a great time. Thanks to the loads of information available in this forum, particularly the reports by senior members which were very helpful for selection of hotel, mongering places, bars and malls.

Stayed at Eurotel hotel on Pedro Gil in Ermita for the first 2 days and then at St. Giles hotel in Makati for remaining 2 days. Both hotels are girl friendly. It was so easy to find WGs and massage girls on streets at night. Before the trip, I tried to get contact numbers of WGs from some known senior members of the forum. But, upon arrival in Manila, I realized there was no need to pocket any contacts in advance as plenty of stuff was available without hassles.

Greenbelt-1 to 5, Mall of Asia and Robinsons are huge, modern shopping malls, always crowded by beautiful young girls and visitors.

I visited Manila Bay Café in Ermita, High Heels and Hollywood clubs in Makati, Havana Café and EDSA entertainment area. All places are lot of fun. You can spend hours at each of these places untiredly. I picked up different girls each night from MBC and Havana Cafe for ST@1200 Peso each time. Also, had professional full body massage everyday. Overall, fully relaxed and satisfying sex tour at much lower expense compared to Europe or Middle East where I frequently go.

Cheers and be safe,

Deon123

[Soapy Smith]

I have RTFF in order to plan my upcoming trip to Manila and I've tried to summarize it below. Please correct the following and answer any quesions:

GOGO BARS.

EDSA Entertainment Complex, has medium looking girls. BF + LT is typically 1400 BF + 2000-3000. What are the rates for ST?

P Burgos Road, has better looking girls. What are the rates for ST and LT?

FREELANCERS / SEMIPROS.

Manila Bay Cafe (aka MBC) used to be good for finding medium looking freelancers (even during daytime) , but is no longer good. Correct?

Havana (greenbelt mall, Ayala Center) has freelancers and some semipros. What are the going rates for ST and LT?

Robinson Mall. Which Robinson Mall is it and what are the rates?

BROTHELS / MASSAGE PARLORS.

Roman Suites, brothel close to New World Hotel. FS about PHP 3000. How long and how many pops are allowed?

Executive Health Club, Quezon Ave, Quezon City, has real hotties. Is the price still PHP 2700 (room plus girl)? How long and how many pops are allowed?

Sylvanus, located over Manila Bay Cafe. FS for PHP 3000. How long and how many pops are allowed?

Palacio Don Pedro, near P Burgos road. Where exactly is it located and what are the rates?

Various upscale places in Quezon City that are ridiculously expensive.

I would really love to have a summary page for each city where you can find basic information like the above, without having to spend 10+ hours reading through the forum. Thanks for any help.The file below, previously posted a few months ago, will answer most of your questions regarding well known spas and massage parlors. Sylvanus is in Quezon City, not over MBC. You should not count on more than one pop at most of the massages and spas, but there may be exceptions. There will be greater variation in the number of pops from bargirls (Burgos and EDSA) and MBC independents because the women have substantially more discretion away from the establishment. Robinson's refers usually to Robinson's Place Mall in Ermita, about three blocks from MBC. Going price from Robinson's, Harrison, and other malls will be similar to MBC, but may offer negotiation to slightly lower prices. Mall girls sometimes include those who have been run out of MBC because of behavior, so buyer beware. The quality of product at MBC (as compared to the former LA Cafe) has probably not changed very much. There is greater variation from one hour to the next than from month to month or year to year. If you don't like what you see, wait an hour or go get a bite to eat and then come back.

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[Amavida]

Hi Guys, I'm coming 'home' to Manila in October to relive the madness for a month.

I just wanted to ask what are the taxi fares like from the airport to, say, Makati now?

I used to get a coupon taxi or yellow taxi for between 500php. 700php a year ago.

One of my girls there is trying to tell me the fares are like 1500php now. This sounds like complete bullshit to me.

I'm thinking of hiring a van with driver, what sort of daily rate are we looking at in Manila now?

Thanks to anyone who is on the ground there.

AV

[Amavida]

There are several young Sociologists at Ateneo de Manila who argue, quite cogently, that generalizations about Filipino culture are impossible, simply because the country has never succeeded in creating a national culture. Rather, they contend, this is a country of balkanized tribal / regional cultures that can only be understood within their own contexts. My experiences working with local communities in Mindanao lends some credence to this assertion.

GEI agree with this. The longer you lived there the more you realise how little you understand. There are some generalisations you can make about the place but all in all its unfathomable.

AV

[Cool Traveler]

Take the yellow taxi. It will range between 200 to 700. I was there last month, and from the airport to Makati was 300.


Hi Guys, I'm coming 'home' to Manila in October to relive the madness for a month.

I just wanted to ask what are the taxi fares like from the airport to, say, Makati now?

I used to get a coupon taxi or yellow taxi for between 500php. 700php a year ago.

One of my girls there is trying to tell me the fares are like 1500php now. This sounds like complete bullshit to me.

I'm thinking of hiring a van with driver, what sort of daily rate are we looking at in Manila now?

Thanks to anyone who is on the ground there.

AV

[Emale]

Hi Guys, I'm coming 'home' to Manila in October to relive the madness for a month.

I just wanted to ask what are the taxi fares like from the airport to, say, Makati now?

I used to get a coupon taxi or yellow taxi for between 500php. 700php a year ago.

One of my girls there is trying to tell me the fares are like 1500php now. This sounds like complete bullshit to me.

I'm thinking of hiring a van with driver, what sort of daily rate are we looking at in Manila now?

Thanks to anyone who is on the ground there.

AVAmavida, I think I paid about 600P from the Airport to Makati in June. I used the Yellow Coupon Taxi.

[MadisonGuy]

amavida, i think i paid about 600p from the airport to makati in june. i used the yellow coupon taxi.i think those rates seem high. i don't remember the exact price but it was definetely under 500, i think 260 to makati from airport in july. are you guys insisting on meters? from new world to mbc it was around the same distance and i never went over 300, usually 220ish. i had my taxi guy on speed dial he actually told me if anyone charged me more than him to have them call him. i got in a cab from hannah to icon which is maybe 2 miles tops and got charged 300 because i didn't insist on the meter, i walked back though because i will not support being extorted.

[Bonker04]

Hi Guys, I'm coming 'home' to Manila in October to relive the madness for a month.

I just wanted to ask what are the taxi fares like from the airport to, say, Makati now?

I used to get a coupon taxi or yellow taxi for between 500php. 700php a year ago.

One of my girls there is trying to tell me the fares are like 1500php now. This sounds like complete bullshit to me.

I'm thinking of hiring a van with driver, what sort of daily rate are we looking at in Manila now?

Thanks to anyone who is on the ground there.

AVIf you use a yellow metered cab it should be about 350/450php depending on traffic to Makati.

If you are arriving at the either the PAL terminal or the terminal Cebu Pacific use (can't remember the number) then go upstairs to arrivals and get a normal white cab. It will be a fair bit cheaper. 250/350php than the yellow ones. Always check the meter is on, and reading either 70 for the yellow cab or 40 for the white one!

They often 'forget' to turn on the meter, or leave it on from the previous fare!

[Amavida]

If you use a yellow metered cab it should be about 350/450php depending on traffic to Makati.

If you are arriving at the either the PAL terminal or the terminal Cebu Pacific use (can't remember the number) then go upstairs to arrivals and get a normal white cab. It will be a fair bit cheaper. 250/350php than the yellow ones. Always check the meter is on, and reading either 70 for the yellow cab or 40 for the white one!

They often 'forget' to turn on the meter, or leave it on from the previous fare!Thanks to all the guys for the quick replies. These prices are in line with what I have paid in the past. As usual when a pinay smells money it goes to their head hehehehe. Yeah 1500p is complete bullshit as I suspected.

On the subject of taxi meter's, guys its normal for the white street cabs to want to leave it off and haggle an agreed price before starting the journey.

It is against the law and as a puti you will be the one to pay the fine of course in the unlikely event that the taxi gets pulled up by the blue shirted cockroaches.

In the 5 years or so I lived in the Phils I never used a metered taxi and never was subjected to extortion by the traffic cops but bear in mind it theoretically could happen.

Just wondering how much to hire a van + driver for the day? I'm guessing about 5000p per day in Manila and about 2000 per day in the province?

AV

[Busdood]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself here in this thread. My first post. I'm a single guy, early 30's, never married / no kids. Never had much luck with American women, and I've basically just gotten to a point in my life where I'm sick of trying "here". And I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not. I consider myself to be pretty socially inept. But in relatively good shape / decent looking. I have been to the PI 2x. Had a pretty good time overall (and a really good time in bed). But I'm not really into the whole bar or club scene. At least, if I were there long term (my trips were 2 weeks and 3. 5 weeks each). I don't think I would visit any of these places more than 1-2x monthly.

I read Larry Elterman's book and I really like the idea of seeking out 1 (or more) girls needing help with education. And no, I'm not trying to say I'm above the bars or even picking up a street working girl if I feel like it! Also, I'm a fan of the rub and tug. I never sought this out over there, only recently discovered it here back home.

I've tried DIA. And not had alot of luck. Frankly most of these women bore the shit out of me. I think most on DIA are just slightly less desperate / educated than your average bargirl. Just my opinion. Not trying to pass judgement. And of course I'm not above sticking my dick in a dumb girl if we have chemistry.

I'm at a point in my career where I think it might be possible to take 3-4 months (maybe more) off per year. Base out of manila, and hit other spots in SE asia.

I love the USA and the freedoms that this country affords. But I feel like she (the women) doesn't love me. And getting a taste of delicious filipinas changed my perspective so I'm hoping to go back maybe for up to 6 weeks this winter. And much longer next winter. Who knows.

If I can I'll try to offer some insight here or if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

Bus

[Bonker04]

Just wondering how much to hire a van + driver for the day? I'm guessing about 5000p per day in Manila and about 2000 per day in the province?

AVI recently hired a regular white taxi for the day, to go down to a theme park about and hour and a half south of Manila.

Forgot the name of it now, something like 'Enchanted Kingdom'.

The plan was for him to wait there maybe 5 hours and then drive us back to Manila. He wanted 3500 php plus motorway tolls of about 120php each way.

[Econo Tech]

I agree with this. The longer you lived there the more you realise how little you understand. There are some generalisations you can make about the place but all in all its unfathomable.

AVNo truer words. .

PS: PM Me, if you want me to look up 'charter' rates.

A couple of friends, have cars idling and they could pair up a driver for you. But, don't charter, unless you are really going to use it. Says my 2 cents.

[RasSpewtin]

I recently hired a regular white taxi for the day, to go down to a theme park about and hour and a half south of Manila.

Forgot the name of it now, something like 'Enchanted Kingdom'.

The plan was for him to wait there maybe 5 hours and then drive us back to Manila. He wanted 3500 php plus motorway tolls of about 120php each way.In the summer of 2010 I hired a regular tax driver in Manila to drive myself and gf to Tagatay, which is about a one-hour drive on the freeway from Manila. When noegotiating I offered him 1, 500 PHP if he drive us to two destinations in the Tagatay area, spent a maximum combined time of 4 hours at the two destinations, and then drive us back. So total 2 hours driving and 4 hours waiting. He accepted, but kept his meter running. When we returned to Manila the meter was around 1, 800 PHP. I wanted to be fair enough, so I gave him 2, 000 which thus included a 200 peso tip. He seemed less than happy about the tip, but would probably have repeated the whole thing again if I offered him around 2, 500.

So the 3, 500 trip to the amusement park may be a little high (I know the place, also about an hour drive from Manila) , but is in the ballpark of what I would expect.

Raz

[Tally Wacker]

I'm at a point in my career where I think it might be possible to take 3-4 months (maybe more) off per year. Base out of manila, and hit other spots in SE asia.

I love the USA and the freedoms that this country affords. But I feel like she (the women) doesn't love me. And getting a taste of delicious filipinas changed my perspective so I'm hoping to go back maybe for up to 6 weeks this winter. And much longer next winter. Who knows.

If I can I'll try to offer some insight here or if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

BusBefore you fly off to the Philippines take 1/2 of your savings and give it to a good friend and tell him to hold on to it for you. Then you will have something to come back to when those dumb Manila girls spit you out. They may seem dumb by your standards but they don't lack in social skills. Keep one hand on your wallet and the other on your dick. Goodluck!

[FreebieFan]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself here in this thread. My first post. I'm a single guy, early 30's, never married / no kids. Never had much luck with American women, and I've basically just gotten to a point in my life where I'm sick of trying "here". And I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not. I consider myself to be pretty socially inept. But in relatively good shape / decent looking. I have been to the PI 2x. Had a pretty good time overall (and a really good time in bed). But I'm not really into the whole bar or club scene. At least, if I were there long term (my trips were 2 weeks and 3. 5 weeks each). I don't think I would visit any of these places more than 1-2x monthly.

I read Larry Elterman's book and I really like the idea of seeking out 1 (or more) girls needing help with education. And no, I'm not trying to say I'm above the bars or even picking up a street working girl if I feel like it! Also, I'm a fan of the rub and tug. I never sought this out over there, only recently discovered it here back home.

I've tried DIA. And not had alot of luck. Frankly most of these women bore the shit out of me. I think most on DIA are just slightly less desperate / educated than your average bargirl. Just my opinion. Not trying to pass judgement. And of course I'm not above sticking my dick in a dumb girl if we have chemistry.

If I can I'll try to offer some insight here or if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

BusWe have no questions for you. We welcome you here, we understand your stance, and your newly anticipated sense of delight. We look forward to many posts of the good the bad and the ugly part of playing the game we do. Oh and enjoy rest of SE Asia too. Thailand needs no intro, Jakarta is lots of fun, Singapore can be good, HK can be super good, etcetc. Go out and enjoy. And welcome. !

[Tucker McElroy]

I was in the Philippines about a year ago, with the g / f (at that time) in Manila. I believe we were in the EDSA area, and wanted to go slightly out of Manila to visit a cousin of hers. I forget what the name of the place was, but it was about 90-120 minutes to get there with heavy traffic in the city and a rainy rush hour. Much shorter on the return.

Originally the plan was that we were catching a taxi from our hotel to the bus station. But the driver started engaging my g / f in tagalog as to where we were going? I knew this routine and wanted her to shut up, but she was young and naive and started blabbing away. So the guy makes an offer to take us to destination (instead of using the bus) for 500 PHP. It was a rainy night, traveling was a pain in the ass, so we accepted. I wasn't sure what the plan was, how long we were staying, etc. Turned out it would only be about 1 hour.

As we were going there, the guy starts proposing that he wait for us and drive us back too. Proposed 1, 000 PHP to do that. I thought to myself "if he'd do a one way for 500, he should do a round trip for about 800. He's not getting any fares out there to go back to Manila." But, he was going to wait for us, so we agreed to 1000 for the trip. Both me and the g / f understood that.

We finished the visit and went back to Manila to our hotel. I gave him 1, 000 PHP and he starts whining that I owe him 1, 500. I told him "No way. You agreed to 1, 000." He wouldn't give it up and followed us into the hotel. Started a commotion in the lobby that got the concierge and others involved. I told my side of the story and said I was finished with this and went up to my room. It spoiled my mood for the evening.

About an hour later, I get a call from the manager on duty, he wants to come up to my room and talk about the taxi situation. The driver was STILL in the lobby whining, an HOUR LATER!

We talked to the manager. He said he knew that 1, 000 PHP was too low for where we went. I said "Why did he propose that price then? We both heard it." And it wouldn't have made sense to propose 500 one way and 1, 500 for a round trip anyway. Not even with an hour wait at destination. He just kept coming back to "it is too low." I compromised and gave the manager 200 PHP for the driver and told him that was the end of it, and he left.

I have to say it made me a bit paranoid then. If time was of such little value to that guy that he waited around a whole hour arguing his point, maybe he's waiting outside the hotel to ambush me with some of his buddies? We didn't plan to go out the rest of the evening anyway, but the next morning I stepped outside the hotel, looked all around, and promptly had some guy come toward me out of nowhere from across the street. He wanted to hawk something to me or take me somewhere.

Point of this story is that you're always being watched there, and these guys (taxi drivers) have way too much time on their hands, and time is of little value to them. Things that would seem improbable elsewhere might happen in the Philippines because of the small value they place on time.

[Mr Giggity Goo]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself here in this thread. My first post. I'm a single guy, early 30's, never married / no kids. Never had much luck with American women, and I've basically just gotten to a point in my life where I'm sick of trying "here". And I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not. I consider myself to be pretty socially inept. But in relatively good shape / decent looking. I have been to the PI 2x. Had a pretty good time overall (and a really good time in bed). But I'm not really into the whole bar or club scene. At least, if I were there long term (my trips were 2 weeks and 3. 5 weeks each). I don't think I would visit any of these places more than 1-2x monthly.

I read Larry Elterman's book and I really like the idea of seeking out 1 (or more) girls needing help with education. And no, I'm not trying to say I'm above the bars or even picking up a street working girl if I feel like it! Also, I'm a fan of the rub and tug. I never sought this out over there, only recently discovered it here back home.

I've tried DIA. And not had alot of luck. Frankly most of these women bore the shit out of me. I think most on DIA are just slightly less desperate / educated than your average bargirl. Just my opinion. Not trying to pass judgement. And of course I'm not above sticking my dick in a dumb girl if we have chemistry.

I'm at a point in my career where I think it might be possible to take 3-4 months (maybe more) off per year. Base out of manila, and hit other spots in SE asia.

I love the USA and the freedoms that this country affords. But I feel like she (the women) doesn't love me. And getting a taste of delicious filipinas changed my perspective so I'm hoping to go back maybe for up to 6 weeks this winter. And much longer next winter. Who knows.

If I can I'll try to offer some insight here or if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

BusLooks like your Bus is pointed in the right direction. And is making the right stops. Enjoy the ride.

[Amavida]

hey everyone, i just wanted to introduce myself here in this thread.welcome bus! .


i read larry elterman's book and i really like the idea of seeking out 1 (or more) girls needing help with education.been there done that, i would'nt recommend it but you may wish to have a little play at it just so you have something to reminisce about in bankruptcy court after visiting your psychotherapist hehehehe. seriously its more expensive than you think and unless you are a psychopath the head games will wear you down. rent don't buy is the golden rule.


i've tried dia. and not had alot of luck. frankly most of these women bore the shit out of me. i think most on dia are just slightly less desperate / educated than your average bargirl.thats par for the course on any internet site where pinays advertise themselves. get used to being deathly bored. welcome to the philippines land of the dumb and the desperate. to be fair there are well educated not so desperate women available for sex in the phils also but the average sex tourist never meets them.

av

[Amavida]

PM Me, if you want me to look up 'charter' rates. A couple of friends, have cars idling and they could pair up a driver for you.Thanks ET! I'll be in touch, I will need it.

AV

[Sammon]

I was in the Philippines about a year ago, with the g / f (at that time) in Manila. I believe we were in the EDSA area, and wanted to go slightly out of Manila to visit a cousin of hers. I forget what the name of the place was, but it was about 90-120 minutes to get there with heavy traffic in the city and a rainy rush hour. Much shorter on the return.

Originally the plan was that we were catching a taxi from our hotel to the bus station. But the driver started engaging my g / f in tagalog as to where we were going? I knew this routine and wanted her to shut up, but she was young and naive and started blabbing away. So the guy makes an offer to take us to destination (instead of using the bus) for 500 PHP. It was a rainy night, traveling was a pain in the ass, so we accepted. I wasn't sure what the plan was, how long we were staying, etc. Turned out it would only be about 1 hour.

As we were going there, the guy starts proposing that he wait for us and drive us back too. Proposed 1, 000 PHP to do that. I thought to myself "if he'd do a one way for 500, he should do a round trip for about 800. He's not getting any fares out there to go back to Manila." But, he was going to wait for us, so we agreed to 1000 for the trip. Both me and the g / f understood that.

We finished the visit and went back to Manila to our hotel. I gave him 1, 000 PHP and he starts whining that I owe him 1, 500. I told him "No way. You agreed to 1, 000." He wouldn't give it up and followed us into the hotel. Started a commotion in the lobby that got the concierge and others involved. I told my side of the story and said I was finished with this and went up to my room. It spoiled my mood for the evening.

About an hour later, I get a call from the manager on duty, he wants to come up to my room and talk about the taxi situation. The driver was STILL in the lobby whining, an HOUR LATER!

We talked to the manager. He said he knew that 1, 000 PHP was too low for where we went. I said "Why did he propose that price then? We both heard it." And it wouldn't have made sense to propose 500 one way and 1, 500 for a round trip anyway. Not even with an hour wait at destination. He just kept coming back to "it is too low." I compromised and gave the manager 200 PHP for the driver and told him that was the end of it, and he left.

I have to say it made me a bit paranoid then. If time was of such little value to that guy that he waited around a whole hour arguing his point, maybe he's waiting outside the hotel to ambush me with some of his buddies? We didn't plan to go out the rest of the evening anyway, but the next morning I stepped outside the hotel, looked all around, and promptly had some guy come toward me out of nowhere from across the street. He wanted to hawk something to me or take me somewhere.

Point of this story is that you're always being watched there, and these guys (taxi drivers) have way too much time on their hands, and time is of little value to them. Things that would seem improbable elsewhere might happen in the Philippines because of the small value they place on time.Unfortunately these girls talk and interfere with everything. I had the same problem with one GF. She would get into the bargaining if I was going to buy her some clothing or such. Ofcourse it has to be in tagalog. Usually these guys convince her that they are suffering and want more money. In spite me telling her to shut up she feels like she is my GF and can do whatever. These girls feel for taxi drivers etc because they feel you are paying and want to be magnanimous with others. It is always better to pay up extra 500 pesos ($12) to avoid problems irrespective of what was agreed upon. If the driver was asking 3000 pesos total then it would be different.

[Sammon]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself here in this thread. My first post. I'm a single guy, early 30's, never married / no kids. Never had much luck with American women, and I've basically just gotten to a point in my life where I'm sick of trying "here". And I'm not going to pretend to be someone I'm not. I consider myself to be pretty socially inept. But in relatively good shape / decent looking. I have been to the PI 2x. Had a pretty good time overall (and a really good time in bed). But I'm not really into the whole bar or club scene. At least, if I were there long term (my trips were 2 weeks and 3. 5 weeks each). I don't think I would visit any of these places more than 1-2x monthly.

I read Larry Elterman's book and I really like the idea of seeking out 1 (or more) girls needing help with education. And no, I'm not trying to say I'm above the bars or even picking up a street working girl if I feel like it! Also, I'm a fan of the rub and tug. I never sought this out over there, only recently discovered it here back home.

I've tried DIA. And not had alot of luck. Frankly most of these women bore the shit out of me. I think most on DIA are just slightly less desperate / educated than your average bargirl. Just my opinion. Not trying to pass judgement. And of course I'm not above sticking my dick in a dumb girl if we have chemistry.

I'm at a point in my career where I think it might be possible to take 3-4 months (maybe more) off per year. Base out of manila, and hit other spots in SE asia.

I love the USA and the freedoms that this country affords. But I feel like she (the women) doesn't love me. And getting a taste of delicious filipinas changed my perspective so I'm hoping to go back maybe for up to 6 weeks this winter. And much longer next winter. Who knows.

If I can I'll try to offer some insight here or if anyone has any questions feel free to ask!

BusAre you just interested in fun or serious about meeting the girl and planning future?

If you are looking for fun only there are many girls who will gladly take your money and be with you whenever you go to Phi.

It does not mean they are monogamous with you only. It is possible she has a BF or many sponsors sending her money especially if she is pretty. You may find some province girls who maybe naive in the begining but catch on fast.

If you are interested getting serious and marrying take your time to gauge the girl. Read all the posts here of people in your shoes. There are many kinds of girls but you maybe lucky to find a gem.

Remember most marriages do not last either because of your mongering habit or the girl uses you.

Whatever it is if you are supporting a girl through college etc come to an agreement with the girl the amount you can send every month.

In my personal experience I have supported 4 Philippina girls. All have been extremely GFE and had a good time with all. They would make time to meet and be with me either in major cities or the nearest provincial towns.

All these girls I have supported were 18-19 years old and from the provinces. I have gone to couple of girls home and met their family. It was a miserable experience seeing poverty.

It is cheaper to support a girl who lives and goes to college in provincial towns. Success rate for me was 75% since only one girl dropped out and got pregnant from her BF. Other girls did well and got good jobs including one who got a nice job in Dubai.

I never worried who they were seeing or having sex during my absence. Since I am a monger I have a mindset that if they want to do it it is their choice, no point in me being jealous. So never asked them about their social life, ofcourse they will never admit if so.

My advice to you is,

1. Do not get all wired up worrying what the girl is doing when you are not there.

2. Do not fall deeply in love unless you want to marry her.

3. Do not send too much money whatever the demands are.

4. Girls come with baggage which is their immediate and extended family. Once they know you support her all hands will be extended for free money.

Since the girl values her relationship with her family more than yours it is hard for her to ignore demands. One girl I visited lived in a fairly good house but sleeping on a uneven floor. I decided to upgrade her floor in her room.

But I had to upgrade the whole house floor. But it did not cost me too much money. Labor is cheap there.

5. Do not get too involved with her family. It is not as glamourous as " Going Tribal "

6. These girls fall in love easily pretended or not. So do not discuss your monger habit and stay away from her pretty friends.

Good Luck!

[MadisonGuy]

Yeah that was pretty cheap, but I'm like you I would be pissed if they guy all of a sudden wanted more than what he originally asked. What hotel were you staying at? I would be pissed at the hotel also for sending a manager to my room, the hotel shouldn't be involved in that at all.


I was in the Philippines about a year ago, with the g / f (at that time) in Manila. I believe we were in the EDSA area, and wanted to go slightly out of Manila to visit a cousin of hers. I forget what the name of the place was, but it was about 90-120 minutes to get there with heavy traffic in the city and a rainy rush hour. Much shorter on the return.

Originally the plan was that we were catching a taxi from our hotel to the bus station. But the driver started engaging my g / f in tagalog as to where we were going? I knew this routine and wanted her to shut up, but she was young and naive and started blabbing away. So the guy makes an offer to take us to destination (instead of using the bus) for 500 PHP. It was a rainy night, traveling was a pain in the ass, so we accepted. I wasn't sure what the plan was, how long we were staying, etc. Turned out it would only be about 1 hour.

As we were going there, the guy starts proposing that he wait for us and drive us back too. Proposed 1, 000 PHP to do that. I thought to myself "if he'd do a one way for 500, he should do a round trip for about 800. He's not getting any fares out there to go back to Manila." But, he was going to wait for us, so we agreed to 1000 for the trip. Both me and the g / f understood that.

We finished the visit and went back to Manila to our hotel. I gave him 1, 000 PHP and he starts whining that I owe him 1, 500. I told him "No way. You agreed to 1, 000." He wouldn't give it up and followed us into the hotel. Started a commotion in the lobby that got the concierge and others involved. I told my side of the story and said I was finished with this and went up to my room. It spoiled my mood for the evening.

About an hour later, I get a call from the manager on duty, he wants to come up to my room and talk about the taxi situation. The driver was STILL in the lobby whining, an HOUR LATER!

We talked to the manager. He said he knew that 1, 000 PHP was too low for where we went. I said "Why did he propose that price then? We both heard it." And it wouldn't have made sense to propose 500 one way and 1, 500 for a round trip anyway. Not even with an hour wait at destination. He just kept coming back to "it is too low." I compromised and gave the manager 200 PHP for the driver and told him that was the end of it, and he left.

I have to say it made me a bit paranoid then. If time was of such little value to that guy that he waited around a whole hour arguing his point, maybe he's waiting outside the hotel to ambush me with some of his buddies? We didn't plan to go out the rest of the evening anyway, but the next morning I stepped outside the hotel, looked all around, and promptly had some guy come toward me out of nowhere from across the street. He wanted to hawk something to me or take me somewhere.

Point of this story is that you're always being watched there, and these guys (taxi drivers) have way too much time on their hands, and time is of little value to them. Things that would seem improbable elsewhere might happen in the Philippines because of the small value they place on time.

[Busdood]

Hey ty all for the warm welcome! I'm well aware of the "game" that goes on between us mongers and the girls. And I do agree that most of them are quite skilled with their "street smarts" lying, manipulations, etc. Before going there, a friend of mine told me that alot of the girls working the trade are not first generation, and have learned these skills from watching basically their whole life.

Now, with that said, I think it's really easy to cut through alot of the BS and simply know where to the draw the line and say NO. If she doesn't like it, fine, onto the next girl. Every girl I've been with there, (If I wanted more than a 1 night stand) I made it clear with early on that my #1 thing I don't like is feeling like I'm being manipulated. So when the "bigyan mo akong pera" starts for always easy to spot, greedy reasons. Aunts medical. Lazy brother needs shoes. Etc, etc, I'm out. Simply because I know she survived without these things before she knew me. Now if I've gotten to know her, and I can see that there are some reasonable needs within her family that I can help with, that is a different story. But it will always be at my discretion.

I'll give a couple examples girl 1 I met first trip at EDSA. Mindanaoan 18yr old dark beauty 9/10 over there. And she'd be an 11 back home. She would stop traffic. Shy at first but amazing GFE. I stayed with her at least 1/2 the trip. She never asked me for anything, though I did take her and her cousin (I should've fucked her too. Differnt story haha) shopping. Always insisting that they get more stuff, and they were always being so modest not wanting me to spend money. I fell for her. It was hard to leave the country. We kept in contact, even though the depth of conversation was very limited. I made my 2nd trip over there and got so wrapped up with girl 2 that I didn't see girl 1 again. She wasnt back in manila until the very end of my trip so that didn't help either.

Girl 1 never asked me for anything. So out of the blue I decided to do something awesome for her. And sent her 100 bucks on her birthday after being out of contact with her for several months. She was so thrilled! And guess what? Not two weeks later she is asking for more money for her "exams". This is the kind of request I just ignore. Don't need to say NO because I've already laid the foundation of what I expect from her. And I figure if a girl doesn't know me well enough to remember my rules, well, she probably doesn't really like or respect me either. So onto the next. I still talk to her occasionally and will definitely see her next time.

Girl 2 I also met at EDSA. She was older (23) , could easily pass for 18 and I was addicted to her pussy from the first moment I experienced it. I knew this girl had "problems" but was obviously educated, and doing the bargirl thing to get her thru her last year of college. After knowing her for a week, I decided to offer to pay her education, but only directly thru her school. I set very clear terms. Also, I was low on cash towards the end of the trip, so I promised to send her "tip" via western union when I got home. Also being very clear about this not being a regular thing. Well I guess we all know how these stories end haha. So I'll just say I learned some important lessons. Maybe the most important being that what you say, and what they interpret (or want to hear) are often 2 very different things. If you're looking to establish relationships with these girls, you simply have to seek out the ones who are the least influenced by their "culture" and the most willing to accept your "no" and realize that you are the boss.

Now, as far as seeking a girl outside of the profession goes. I have a little experience with this in the phils, and as we all know there are many different layers. I met one girl from DIA, but she was cold in bed, though not a virgin, it wasnt hard to tell that she thought she was doing a horrible thing. No money exchanged, just a little shopping for a few things she needed. In the US these women are everywhere, they are even poularized on TV shows like "housewives of orange county" or wtvr the fuck they call it, I don't watch TV! Freebie, I've read alot of your posts, and no doubt I'm going to read more! That is the path I want to be on

[Busdood]

Are you just interested in fun or serious about meeting the girl and planning future?

If you are looking for fun only there are many girls who will gladly take your money and be with you whenever you go to Phi.

It does not mean they are monogamous with you only. It is possible she has a BF or many sponsors sending her money especially if she is pretty. You may find some province girls who maybe naive in the begining but catch on fast.

If you are interested getting serious and marrying take your time to gauge the girl. Read all the posts here of people in your shoes. There are many kinds of girls but you maybe lucky to find a gem.

Remember most marriages do not last either because of your mongering habit or the girl uses you.

Whatever it is if you are supporting a girl through college etc come to an agreement with the girl the amount you can send every month.

In my personal experience I have supported 4 Philippina girls. All have been extremely GFE and had a good time with all. They would make time to meet and be with me either in major cities or the nearest provincial towns.

All these girls I have supported were 18-19 years old and from the provinces. I have gone to couple of girls home and met their family. It was a miserable experience seeing poverty.

It is cheaper to support a girl who lives and goes to college in provincial towns. Success rate for me was 75% since only one girl dropped out and got pregnant from her BF. Other girls did well and got good jobs including one who got a nice job in Dubai.

I never worried who they were seeing or having sex during my absence. Since I am a monger I have a mindset that if they want to do it it is their choice, no point in me being jealous. So never asked them about their social life, ofcourse they will never admit if so.

My advice to you is,

1. Do not get all wired up worrying what the girl is doing when you are not there.

2. Do not fall deeply in love unless you want to marry her.

3. Do not send too much money whatever the demands are.

4. Girls come with baggage which is their immediate and extended family. Once they know you support her all hands will be extended for free money.

Since the girl values her relationship with her family more than yours it is hard for her to ignore demands. One girl I visited lived in a fairly good house but sleeping on a uneven floor. I decided to upgrade her floor in her room.

But I had to upgrade the whole house floor. But it did not cost me too much money. Labor is cheap there.

5. Do not get too involved with her family. It is not as glamourous as " Going Tribal "

6. These girls fall in love easily pretended or not. So do not discuss your monger habit and stay away from her pretty friends.

Good Luck!Hey Sammon, I'm not looking to get married. But I wouldn't rule it out. I'm hoping to stay single until I'm 45. Then I wouldn't mind "settliing down" with a girl 1/2 my age and banging out a kid or 2. I have no intention of ever bringing a girl back here.

I have no illusions about monogamy while I'm away, or even while I'm there for that matter.

I haven't sent much money over there. Only on a few occasions to 2 different girls. One for a gift, the other for what I obliged myself to give.

Thanks for the advice!

Bus

[RasSpewtin]

4. Girls come with baggage which is their immediate and extended family. Once they know you support her all hands will be extended for free money. Since the girl values her relationship with her family more than yours it is hard for her to ignore demands. One girl I visited lived in a fairly good house but sleeping on a uneven floor. I decided to upgrade her floor in her room.Hi Sammon;

I did not quote your entire post in the interest of brevity, but I must say that to my experience over the past 6 years you were incredibly accurate. I beg to differ on only one point, and that is the point quoted above. With 3 different longtime Filipina girlfriends thus far, I stated at the onset of our relationship that I would take care of her, but would not support her maternal family. I set the boundaries and was prepared to accept the response.

Results:

First time, girl moved to Dubai to support her family and put her sisters through private school. It was not an easy loss, as she was amazing in all respects, but difficult in some.

Second time, girl put all kinds of conditions on the table. Support Mama, Papa, Lola, bla bla. End of second chapter. She was absolutely gorgeous but kinda blah in bed. This was a quick recovery.

Third time, great girl sends me her budget sheet each month and accepts that I support her as I promised I would, without extending to her whole family. This chapter is ongoing, and is going well so far. Yes, I do check the balance sheet each month. She accepted my conditions as stated at the beginning and is demonstrating the same.

Disclaimer: Don't ask me how many Filipinas I dated before I found Miss Third Time. That would be embarrassing and wouldn't get me past an inning of baseballs.

Cheers;

Raz

[Sammon]

Hi Sammon;

I did not quote your entire post in the interest of brevity, but I must say that to my experience over the past 6 years you were incredibly accurate. I beg to differ on only one point, and that is the point quoted above. With 3 different longtime Filipina girlfriends thus far, I stated at the onset of our relationship that I would take care of her, but would not support her maternal family. I set the boundaries and was prepared to accept the response.

Results:

First time, girl moved to Dubai to support her family and put her sisters through private school. It was not an easy loss, as she was amazing in all respects, but difficult in some.

Second time, girl put all kinds of conditions on the table. Support Mama, Papa, Lola, bla bla. End of second chapter. She was absolutely gorgeous but kinda blah in bed. This was a quick recovery.

Third time, great girl sends me her budget sheet each month and accepts that I support her as I promised I would, without extending to her whole family. This chapter is ongoing, and is going well so far. Yes, I do check the balance sheet each month. She accepted my conditions as stated at the beginning and is demonstrating the same.

Disclaimer: Don't ask me how many Filipinas I dated before I found Miss Third Time. That would be embarrassing and wouldn't get me past an inning of baseballs.

Cheers;

RazWith all due respect Raz, Nobody really knows what part of the money you give goes to the family.

As for me giving money to upgrade the floor, It was my decision to help them. Only four in family father, mother, younger sister (very cute as well) 12 years old. These people had a house and farmland had a business selling feed for animals which was a shack on the roadside. Father worked on the land and went fishing as well. He asked me to join him fishing. But I declined mainly because I do not want to get close to the family. The girl did save money and bought a moped and we went everywhere on that with her driving. The family was surprised why I did not drive. I am not into causing a accident and detained by police. Comparatively this family lived better than others. But I guess very few in Phi put lots of money into the house for better living. I think it is because there is no safety net system.

[Tucker McElroy]

Yeah that was pretty cheap, but I'm like you I would be pissed if they guy all of a sudden wanted more than what he originally asked. What hotel were you staying at? I would be pissed at the hotel also for sending a manager to my room, the hotel shouldn't be involved in that at all.I forget if it was Ermita or Edsa, and I forget the full name, but it was a Best Western. And now that you mention it, yes, I agree that the hotel manager should have told the guy to get out instead of trying to act as arbitrator. But who knows if the 200 PHP I gave actually got to the driver? The manager may have just pocketed it. And as annoyed as I was at the driver changing his story, frankly I'd be happier if the manager kept the 200 PHP and ripped me off in the process of ripping the taxi driver off too, cause that driver deserved it. If that driver would have just been honest from the start, instead of playing games. .

And from Sammon's quote "It is always better to pay up extra 500 pesos ($12) to avoid problems irrespective of what was agreed upon."

Yes, I agree fully on a common sense and personal safety standpoint. But sometimes (especially in the heat of the moment) it's hard to get beyond the thought that paying up supports and perpetuates that nonsense, so I need to dig in my heels and fight it.

[Hunny Buns]

When one discusses the racism of another race there is always the danger of projecting one's personal view points, prejudices and racial beliefs upon the race in question. White Westerners will inevitably see Filipino racism through the prism of their own history of enslavement and exploitation of other races. It is impossible for them to divorce their long held beliefs and emotions from any interpretation of racism among other peoples. Whenever Europeans enslaved and committed genocide against another race it was necessary to resolve this with their Christian dogma of 'love your fellow man as you love yourself. ' This was done by depicting the race that was targeted for aggression and subjugation as less human, and therefore not a fellow man. This freed them from any obligation to act in a civilized manner towards the inhabitants of any land that was plundered for its resources. So, understandably when white Western males speak for Filipinas as far as their racial views are concerned I am inclined to view it with much skepticism. After all, the racist legacy left behind by Western colonialism was a construct imposed on the native population to benefit those of European ancestry and deprive the indigenous people of any opportunity for advancement under colonial rule. The results of this institutionalized racism are seen in today's failed state of the Republic of the Philippines. When Westerners chafe at the corruption, inefficiencies, and lack of property rights and justice for outsiders it might do them well to remember under whose tutelage the Filipinos developed this society.

White or light skinned Filipinos may constitute the majority of the ruling class. However, it might be going too far to say that white or light skin is a ticket into the ranks of the elite. There are many light skinned prostitutes selling their asses in the various paid sex venues of Manila. Obviously, white skin does little to improve the lot of those unfortunate individuals as they are still being mounted and pounded by scores of sex tourists as are their darker sisters in Angeles City.

If there is a white skin benefit when it comes to valuing a person it certainly does not apply to foreigners. It is well known that Filipinos appear to murder, rob, defraud, and imprison white foreigners with reckless abandon. One might even say that being a white foreigner in the Philippines is a liability due to the regularity that this demographic is targeted for such treatment at the hands of locals.

As you can see this issue is rather complex, and as many Philippine social issues, can hardly be explained by sex monger sociologists. As anyone can see from reading the thousands of anecdotes posted on the forum mongers are at a lost when it comes to deciphering individual Filipina behavior much less that of the population at large. Even PhDs in sociology would find the often contradictory behaviors and beliefs of Filipinos a challenge to study and explain.Really, White westerners should understand the state of racism or prejudice in the Philippines.

[FreebieFan]

! Freebie, I've read alot of your posts, and no doubt I'm going to read more! That is the path I want to be onHi there, nice to know you enjoyed. Long time ago I realised I liked the bs that there is in bars and girls trying to be nice to you. Had many friends in most of Burgos bars and a few Edsa bars.

They are fun places but limited for me, in that my trips are usually of short duration (4 days max) so one night in the bars is good, but I much more enjoy the "poo-say " chase.

That sweet thrill of meeting a cutie for first time knowing it will end well. (don't forget that one out of ten isn't going to be same as her pic / cam and may well be ugly / fat or pregnant or all 3. Thats always fun to deal with) Theres also the thrill of meeting a repeat who knows you are a sex hungry fiend but is happy to comply.

Some of these gals can be super sweet and some will shyly hint at wanting something material. For me I give something to all anyways as it ensures repeats. And sometimes gets me an intro to a sister or cousin.

Next trips agenda is being worked out as I write, and will feature during a 72 hour stay 2 new ones (22 and 30) one I haven't seen for 6 months (22) , one I haven't seen for 2 years (24) and a repeat form last trip (21 ). I'm waiting for a confirmation from Miss 24 then my dance card is full. Fun awaits. Love playing this game. Enjoy yours!

[Amavida]

Unfortunately these girls talk and interfere with everything. I had the same problem with one GF. She would get into the bargaining if I was going to buy her some clothing or such. Ofcourse it has to be in tagalog. Usually these guys convince her that they are suffering and want more money. In spite me telling her to shut up she feels like she is my GF and can do whatever. These girls feel for taxi drivers etc because they feel you are paying and want to be magnanimous with others.Ooooooh man this is soooo true. Sympathy / Empathy or just showing off her new found wealth? Probably both in most cases. Pinoys are huge show off's and always loyal to everyone else ahead of YOU.


It is always better to pay up extra 500 pesos ($12) to avoid problems irrespective of what was agreed upon. If the driver was asking 3000 pesos total then it would be different.Well, I would say this, when you are in a third world tribal country like the Phils don't get into pissing matches with the locals. They will gang up on you in the blink of an eye. These latin temperament people are not amenable to shouting / anger. Always keep smiling, keep very calm & try bluffing them with quiet authority e.g. Pull out your cell phone and when they ask who you are calling (they will) , tell them 'my friend Senator (insert name) '. Connections and political power are feared / respected.

AV

[Chocha Monger]

Before you fly off to the Philippines take 1/2 of your savings and give it to a good friend and tell him to hold on to it for you. Then you will have something to come back to when those dumb Manila girls spit you out. They may seem dumb by your standards but they don't lack in social skills. Keep one hand on your wallet and the other on your dick. Goodluck!Excellent advice Tally Wacker! Even salty old monger dogs would do well to heed it. Anyone dismissing Filipinas as dumb better hold on for a wild ride. Most of them may not be able to solve a calculus problem but they probably have a much higher degree of emotional intelligence than most mongers who are buying poo-say precisely due to being socially inept. Relatively wealthy Westerners are particularly ill-prepared for what they will encounter when they go chasing Filipina poo-say. In places like the United States many people grow up having their own room, personal belongings, a car and spare cash. They rarely have to borrow or share things. The culture is very individualistic and people dislike living in close quarters.

Filipinas, on the other hand, grow up sharing a bed with siblings even into adulthood. Several family members may share a bedroom. Almost everything is shared. Due to living under those conditions they develop an ability to recognize and capitalize on subtle emotional cues. They learn to override their own emotions or channel them in order to obtain their needs and wants. Their ability to be in tampo yet respond to your sexual needs then promptly return to tampo while claiming nothing is wrong says a lot about their finesse at manipulating men. Western women respond more crudely at not having their way with verbal confrontations and outright denial of sexual access. This is more likely cause men to become defensive and withdraw. The cunning Filipina way may have the guy going out of his way finding ways to cheer her up. For a Western guy, cheering a woman up usually means opening the wallet.

Filipinas can be quite patient before fleecing the sheep. I know a gentleman who married one of these supposedly dumb Filipinas from the provinces. She waited until he bred her a few times and funded the construction of 3 houses for the family then she started telling him that he had done nothing for her. He went to a lawyer to evaluate his options only to find out that an annulment would cost him his Philippine residency visa. He could either put up with her and the family or return to Europe minus his Golden Fleece and children. They are adept at draining your balls and your wallet. In addition to keeping one hand on your wallet and one on your dick, you might one to keep one over your asshole too.

[X Man]

Old timers will already know that AV and X don't really like each other very much. Mostly because I lack tact when I point out things I disagree with. I will offer the utmost and respectful tact when I say I politely disagree with the strategy of claiming to know a Senator. I will respectfully agree with EVERYTHING AV says after the word "senator" is written. The stuff before that is very good advice. X.


Ooooooh man this is soooo true. Sympathy / Empathy or just showing off her new found wealth? Probably both in most cases. Pinoys are huge show off's and always loyal to everyone else ahead of YOU.

Well, I would say this, when you are in a third world tribal country like the Phils don't get into pissing matches with the locals. They will gang up on you in the blink of an eye. These latin temperament people are not amenable to shouting / anger. Always keep smiling, keep very calm & try bluffing them with quiet authority e. G. Pull out your cell phone and when they ask who you are calling (they will) , tell them 'my friend Senator (insert name) '. Connections and political power are feared / respected.

AV

[HenryV]

Something else to remember, as I have mentioned many times on this board, never take a taxi in front of your hotel. Go out, walk a block or two, then grab a taxi. I try to do this when returning to the room, but would be the first to admit I do not always remember.


I was in the Philippines about a year ago, with the g / f (at that time) in Manila. I believe we were in the EDSA area, and wanted to go slightly out of Manila to visit a cousin of hers. I forget what the name of the place was, but it was about 90-120 minutes to get there with heavy traffic in the city and a rainy rush hour. Much shorter on the return.

Originally the plan was that we were catching a taxi from our hotel to the bus station. But the driver started engaging my g / f in tagalog as to where we were going? I knew this routine and wanted her to shut up, but she was young and naive and started blabbing away. So the guy makes an offer to take us to destination (instead of using the bus) for 500 PHP. It was a rainy night, traveling was a pain in the ass, so we accepted. I wasn't sure what the plan was, how long we were staying, etc. Turned out it would only be about 1 hour.

Point of this story is that you're always being watched there, and these guys (taxi drivers) have way too much time on their hands, and time is of little value to them. Things that would seem improbable elsewhere might happen in the Philippines because of the small value they place on time.

[Pablo]

Something else to remember, as I have mentioned many times on this board, never take a taxi in front of your hotel. Go out, walk a block or two, then grab a taxi. I try to do this when returning to the room, but would be the first to admit I do not always remember.Henry, what's the reasoning behind this? I always take a taxi from my hotel. I let the hotel guys get the taxi for me and tell the driver where I'm going since there's a better chance it'll be understood. They always make sure the driver uses the meter because I hear the word "meter" a few times when they're taking. Then they fill out the form with the drivers cab number in case they shut the meter off and give it to me. I seem to have better odds that the driver uses his meter for the whole trip than if I get a taxi off the street, although I have to say I usually don't have much issue with that since they usually start it up after I ask for it a few times.

What's the downside of using a taxi from in front of the hotel?

[WestCoast1]

Henry, what's the reasoning behind this? I always take a taxi from my hotel. I let the hotel guys get the taxi for me and tell the driver where I'm going since there's a better chance it'll be understood. They always make sure the driver uses the meter because I hear the word "meter" a few times when they're taking. Then they fill out the form with the drivers cab number in case they shut the meter off and give it to me. I seem to have better odds that the driver uses his meter for the whole trip than if I get a taxi off the street, although I have to say I usually don't have much issue with that since they usually start it up after I ask for it a few times.

What's the downside of using a taxi from in front of the hotel?Ya usually this is my experience also. However, some hotels use a taxi service that doesn't use a meter, they negotiate an inflated price on the spot, and the door guy gets a cut of the inflation later. The Pearl Hotel, corner Gen Luna / Taft / UN streets does this. There is a taxi waiting in front of the hotel all the time, just for Pearl guests, but not metered. I was looking for a laundry, I told the door guy. He chatted the driver and said he would take me to one for p150. Fair price it seemed. The laundry was less than two blocks. Could have walked it faster than taking the taxi. P150 was too much, even considering the driver wanted to wait and drive me back (and asked for 200 when I was getting out of the cab to go into the laundry). At that hotel, its better to walk a block and aim for a metered taxi. The door guy will hail you a metered taxi, but even if you ask for one, he will try and steer you to the private taxi. The front door of the hotel is on Gen Luna (college across the street) , where there seem to be damned few metered taxis (prime pickings for private taxi, waiting on your beck / call). Better to walk out the back door on to Taft, where there are oodles of metered taxis.

[X Man]

i prefer not to use hotel taxis either, but it depends on the hotel and / or situation. sometimes, drivers sit there waiting. and of course they expect more. it's a kind of an in-house deal. some hotels, and i'm thinking the higher class hotels, take care of their guests. i suppose the taxi drivers bow to the rules because they hope for those long rides to the aiport or laguna or ac or whatever.

pablo could help us answer his question if he told us what hotel and any other details (tips to hotel staff?). henry could also help us by telling us what hotel, and any other details.

and we can all use isg to figure out what is the going rate and bargain from there. call me a wuss if you want to, but i fly into manila less often because there is so much unpleasantness. and mnl taxis are one of the things that especially displease me. walk a block down mabini, and you will have taxi drivers blasting their horn at you. try to cross the street, measure the speed of the cars, and some fkwit taxi driver will slam on the brakes. honk is horn, and ruin your chance to cross the street.

x.


henry, what's the reasoning behind this? i always take a taxi from my hotel. i let the hotel guys get the taxi for me and tell the driver where i'm going since there's a better chance it'll be understood. they always make sure the driver uses the meter because i hear the word "meter" a few times when they're taking. then they fill out the form with the drivers cab number in case they shut the meter off and give it to me. i seem to have better odds that the driver uses his meter for the whole trip than if i get a taxi off the street, although i have to say i usually don't have much issue with that since they usually start it up after i ask for it a few times.

what's the downside of using a taxi from in front of the hotel?

[Pablo]

i prefer not to use hotel taxis either, but it depends on the hotel and / or situation. sometimes, drivers sit there waiting. and of course they expect more. it's a kind of an in-house deal. some hotels, and i'm thinking the higher class hotels, take care of their guests. i suppose the taxi drivers bow to the rules because they hope for those long rides to the aiport or laguna or ac or whatever.

pablo could help us answer his question if he told us what hotel and any other details (tips to hotel staff?). henry could also help us by telling us what hotel, and any other details.

and we can all use isg to figure out what is the going rate and bargain from there. call me a wuss if you want to, but i fly into manila less often because there is so much unpleasantness. and mnl taxis are one of the things that especially displease me. walk a block down mabini, and you will have taxi drivers blasting their horn at you. try to cross the street, measure the speed of the cars, and some fkwit taxi driver will slam on the brakes. honk is horn, and ruin your chance to cross the street.

x.good points x. i'm usually at the better hotels, right now i'm at the shangri-la makati. there seems to be a pretty constant stream of taxis dropping off people since there are a lot of guests and there always seems to be a function here. so i have never seen a "stand by taxi" and so far across 4 visits in 18 months i'm batting 100% on taxis using the meter leaving the hotel. however, off the street it sometimes take a few requests to get them to turn it on, but this trip at least in maybe 6 rides they've all used the meter.

i have never tipped the staff except for my maid when i make a mess of room and the valet for dragging up my 70 pound suitcase. they take 10% service charge every day which is supposedly shared among the staff so that is no small fee. that is supposed to cover our tips for the staff.

i agree with the taxis behavior of slowing down and honking, but they're just trying to get a fare. i know what you mean about crossing the street too. it's not enough of an annoyance for me to not like coming here though.

the shangri-la does have private cars but you have to not care about money to use it. their one way airport rate in their "low end" camry is a ridiculous php 2, 790, if you want the mercedes it's 3200 or 3600. crazy when a cab is just over 300 php. but i'm sure there are guests here either on expense account or who just don't want a cab and it's worth it to them to pay those rates to not have to worry.

[FreebieFan]

Have a manila trip coming in two days time and full of the exuberance that an imminent "wheels up" can produce. However as I konw that such exuberance can often be misplaced (I thought you said we meet tomorrow","what do you mean I shouldn't have bought my mother" or "the subscriber cannot be reached LOL") I have long learnt its better to scratch the itch before take off.

As such, the planets have aligned and I'm free for next two nights wherby two OFW Filipinas in Taian will hapily service my needs pre take off. One sweet gal who gave me a fantastic blow even texted me thus " ok no prob on that I'm going to serve you my King "

Maybe she thinking my new name is Fu. LOL

[HenryV]

The downside is they learn your habits, I. E, where you go, who you come back with, etc.

They also learn about you, your name, where you may be from, etc. Over the years, I have had people call my room already knowing my name, where I was, and who I was with. One time, I got a call from a person in the lobby who claimed they worked at a club the driver took me to earlier. He claimed he had tickets to a "gala club opening" for me, just because I was a nice guy. He offered to drive me to it, wonder what that was all about. Had a friend one time who went shopping at Greenville, day or two later some items were missing from his room.

The less these people know about you, your habits, where you go, etc, the better. Walk a few blocks, then take a taxi.

As for the meter, I never have a problem on the street. Before I hop in I ask if they have a meter and gas. Yes, gas. One driver ran out of gas on Roxas, while I was on my way to catch a flight.


Henry, what's the reasoning behind this? I always take a taxi from my hotel. I let the hotel guys get the taxi for me and tell the driver where I'm going since there's a better chance it'll be understood. They always make sure the driver uses the meter because I hear the word "meter" a few times when they're taking. Then they fill out the form with the drivers cab number in case they shut the meter off and give it to me. I seem to have better odds that the driver uses his meter for the whole trip than if I get a taxi off the street, although I have to say I usually don't have much issue with that since they usually start it up after I ask for it a few times.

What's the downside of using a taxi from in front of the hotel?

[Docwiltro]

Hi Guys, I'm coming 'home' to Manila in October to relive the madness for a month.

One of my girls there is trying to tell me the fares are like 1500php now. This sounds like complete bullshit to me.

I'm thinking of hiring a van with driver, what sort of daily rate are we looking at in Manila now?

Thanks to anyone who is on the ground there.

AVTaxi rates have gone up some, but not much. The airport yellow metered taxis are your best bet. Once you exit the arrivals terminal, look to your left. You'll see a series of newish yellow taxis queued up. Approach the podium, tell the gal where you want to go, and they'll issue a receipt for the deal. In a couple of seconds a yellow metered taxi will pull up, and you'll be off. The cars are relatively new, and the drivers are young guys with good manners. I imagine a trip to Makati will cost you no more than p250 with these airport metered taxis. You pay when you arrive at your destination.

As a side note, the coupon taxis that cost between p600 and p700 are passe, a thing of the past for the informed traveler. They still do exist at the same places outside the arrivals terminal. Obviously, people still use them, but unless you need a van, there is no need for that added expense.

[Buko Max]

I prefer not to use hotel taxis either, but it depends on the hotel and / or situation. Sometimes, drivers sit there waiting. And of course they expect more. It's a kind of an in-house deal.Similarly, don't ever grab a cab outside the EDSA Complex. They will try to stick you in a crappy taxi without a meter. I'm with you in that I'm spending less and less time in Manila these days.


The less these people know about you, your habits, where you go, etc, the better. Walk a few blocks, then take a taxi..
Excellent advice! Always keep them guessing! :D

[WestCoast1]

Taxi rates have gone up some, but not much. The airport yellow metered taxis are your best bet. Once you exit the arrivals terminal, look to your left. You'll see a series of newish yellow taxis queued up. Approach the podium, tell the gal where you want to go, and they'll issue a receipt for the deal. In a couple of seconds a yellow metered taxi will pull up, and you'll be off. The cars are relatively new, and the drivers are young guys with good manners. I imagine a trip to Makati will cost you no more than p250 with these airport metered taxis. You pay when you arrive at your destination.

As a side note, the coupon taxis that cost between p600 and p700 are passe, a thing of the past for the informed traveler. They still do exist at the same places outside the arrivals terminal. Obviously, people still use them, but unless you need a van, there is no need for that added expense.You will wait upwards of 40 minutes for a metered taxi. Makati will be 220-275 in the day traffic. 180-200 evening. The coupon taxi, where you tell the guy out front where you are going, are much faster to get into (immediate) , but will run you p500-700. In one sense, the coupon taxi is a ripoff, but if you are not into waiting outside in the tropical heat in a long line for a metered taxi, the coupon taxi can be worth it. Also, metered taxis are almost always the small toyota corollas (or similar) , but the expensive coupon taxis are often larger vehicles, including vans and SUV's.

[Danibbler]

That metered airport taxi cost me Php 520 to get to St. Giles in Makati (next to P. Burgos) but it may have been that high because it was so late. Didn't have to wait for one because they kept on coming and zooming off with passengers.

Coupon taxis are still around and are a bit further beyond the metered airport taxis. A bunch of Westerners wanted one and the guys at the metered taxi lineup kept waving their arms around to show them where to go.


Taxi rates have gone up some, but not much. The airport yellow metered taxis are your best bet. Once you exit the arrivals terminal, look to your left. You'll see a series of newish yellow taxis queued up. Approach the podium, tell the gal where you want to go, and they'll issue a receipt for the deal. In a couple of seconds a yellow metered taxi will pull up, and you'll be off. The cars are relatively new, and the drivers are young guys with good manners. I imagine a trip to Makati will cost you no more than p250 with these airport metered taxis. You pay when you arrive at your destination.

As a side note, the coupon taxis that cost between p600 and p700 are passe, a thing of the past for the informed traveler. They still do exist at the same places outside the arrivals terminal. Obviously, people still use them, but unless you need a van, there is no need for that added expense.

[Danibbler]

The taxi I got into last week had a meter but he wouldn't turn it on. He wanted Php 200 to get to my hotel in Makati. I insisted, he wouldn't budge. I hopped out and grabbed a cab in the next lane. .


Similarly, don't ever grab a cab outside the EDSA Complex. They will try to stick you in a crappy taxi without a meter. I'm with you in that I'm spending less and less time in Manila these days.

[Run Mann]

The taxi I got into last week had a meter but he wouldn't turn it on. He wanted Php 200 to get to my hotel in Makati. I insisted, he wouldn't budge. I hopped out and grabbed a cab in the next lane. .I understand it's the principle but if the fare was 200p, I'm curious as to how much you saved by doing this Dan.

[Danibbler]

I saved Php 50. The fare from my hotel to EDSA was less than Php 150 (140?) so I knew the price. If he had put the meter on, I would have given him Php 150 and tell him to keep the change. It was also my third day there and I was very fed up with drivers trying to rip me off. One of them even had to nerve to blame me for him not having enough change to break a Php 50 note!


I understand it's the principle but if the fare was 200p, I'm curious as to how much you saved by doing this Dan.

[Danibbler]

Ok, so here is my report for my one and only visit to EDSA on Sept. 9:

I can only remember two clubs but I went into four.

Arrived at around 9 pm and the place was all lit up! I had really high hopes after my Burgos' street experiences and after what I had read on various forums.

First stop was Cotton Club. Pros. Good selection of girls and some were actually attractive. Drinks were cheap. Cons. Not much dancing going on up on the stage. A few other girls hanging around asking for drinks and this was a bit of a turn off. Very few other punters. The whining about buy-me-a-drink drove me out of there.

Second stop was Firehouse, I think. Lot of girls! LOT of girls! Unfortunately, for me, they all looked really young or not attractive. Not pushy about drinks but I did buy the mama-san a hot tea. .

Third stop was probably Bullets and Arrows. Oooo. Not so good. The takeout / bmd girls were ugly. The dancers up there weren't too bad but the place was dead.

There were a couple more but it was a bit of a let-down. Cotton Club probably had the best looking girls there and I would have spent a lot more time and money if it wasn't for the pushy BMD girl.

[GoodEnough]

I don't get this problem that some guys appear to have with taxi drivers. I've lived in the country for eight years, get to Manila about twice a month and frequently take taxis. I could probably count on one hand the number of times in those eight years I've had a driver refuse to use the meter. I have a good friend who is a member of this board, who takes taxis several times a day, and he doesn't have this problem either.

GE

[Member #4152]

Dude. I've never experienced a problem with any of the taxi drivers before. It basically cost me around 100 pesos for each of my rides for some reason LOL. I suggest carrying around smaller bills and coins though because some of the taxi drivers won't have change and it could lead to a situation.

[Soapy Smith]

As a side note, the coupon taxis that cost between p600 and p700 are passe, a thing of the past for the informed traveler. They still do exist at the same places outside the arrivals terminal. Obviously, people still use them, but unless you need a van, there is no need for that added expense.Coupon taxis seem to be unavoidable if you are being met by a friend (s) outside the terminal. They hold back the unwashed masses in a dingy waiting area with TV monitors. When my squeeze meets me at the airport she has to wait out there. To get out there you cross the first covered roadway (where the yellow cabs are) , then take one of the lettered ramps down to the next roadway: A to L to the left, M to Z down to the right. Security guards hold the masses behind a rail on the far side of the second roadway. You have to cart your luggage all the way out across the roadway, assure the guards that the person (s) is waiting for you, then proceed together back to the closer side to get the coupon taxis. I have never considered taking her along and pushing my luggage cart back up the ramp and across the first roadway to get back to the yellow cabs. Anybody ever try that?

[Cunning Stunt]

They hold back the unwashed masses in a dingy waiting area with TV monitors.Yup, but if I remember rightly, the penned in ' great unwashed' are kept happy by an on-site branch of Jolibee. I've seen arriving OFW's dash right past their waiting gathered clan of toothless grannies, lounging dollar hungry youths and squalling kids and head straight to get their Joliburger fix.

Being a tight bustard, I'm sure that I have successfully done what you suggested but the NAIA experience is so overwhelmingly bleak and depressing that I fear my mind has blocked it out to protect it's sanity. However I suspect it involved a twenty pesos bribe to a security guard somewhere along the way.

[Deon123]

That metered airport taxi cost me Php 520 to get to St. Giles in Makati (next to P. Burgos) but it may have been that high because it was so late. Didn't have to wait for one because they kept on coming and zooming off with passengers.

Coupon taxis are still around and are a bit further beyond the metered airport taxis. A bunch of Westerners wanted one and the guys at the metered taxi lineup kept waving their arms around to show them where to go.You paid a way high. On 2nd Sept, I took a taxi from airport to St. Giles hotel at Makati and the meter reading showed 243 peso. As usual, the taxi driver demanded 550, but I refused to pay anything beyond 250 as I knew from a friend that the fare would not exceed 250. Taxi is a big scam in Manila and one has to be alert and well informed to confront taxi drivers.

Deon123

[Danibbler]

That's what I figured because the taxi to the airport was around 240 and I stiffed the guy on the tip. He was asking for more while on the way there. Tough luck, buddy.

On the way to the hotel from the airport, I only paid what the meter showed.


You paid a way high. On 2nd Sept, I took a taxi from airport to St. Giles hotel at Makati and the meter reading showed 243 peso. As usual, the taxi driver demanded 550, but I refused to pay anything beyond 250 as I knew from a friend that the fare would not exceed 250. Taxi is a big scam in Manila and one has to be alert and well informed to confront taxi drivers.

Deon123

[X Man]

Sources close to me indicate that half your mind has already been "blocked out" due to consumption of liquids that are known to affect memory and sanity. THe other half is apparently impeded by a combination of advanced age and some sort of delirium caused by the unnatural input of short time hotel odors and unnaturally available vagigaga. You have apparently avoided a complete mental breakdown by avoiding the Jollitripledogmeat burger. Good for you!


Yup, but if I remember rightly, the penned in ' great unwashed' are kept happy by an on-site branch of Jolibee. I've seen arriving OFW's dash right past their waiting gathered clan of toothless grannies, lounging dollar hungry youths and squalling kids and head straight to get their Joliburger fix.

Being a tight bustard, I'm sure that I have successfully done what you suggested but the NAIA experience is so overwhelmingly bleak and depressing that I fear my mind has blocked it out to protect it's sanity. However I suspect it involved a twenty pesos bribe to a security guard somewhere along the way.

[GreenBud]

I don't get this problem that some guys appear to have with taxi drivers. I've lived in the country for eight years, get to Manila about twice a month and frequently take taxis. I could probably count on one hand the number of times in those eight years I've had a driver refuse to use the meter. I have a good friend who is a member of this board, who takes taxis several times a day, and he doesn't have this problem either.

GEI've had some problems with taxis over the past 8 years. But I think it depends on where you pick up the taxi and how you look.

As a foreignor, it is going to be very difficult to get a taxi to use the meter at Greenbelt 3? (where the Havana Club is located at) during prime time. In the evening / night time, there is a huge line at the taxi stands; mostly locals.

I've also had taxis refuse to use the meter during daytime rush hour.

Normally when I get a taxi in the tourist zones, a few taxis (a minority of them) will quote a set price, but when I refuse and start to walk away, they will agree to use the meter.

In the airport, if you walk upstairs, you can get a taxi who is dropping off a customer. Although even with many of those, they will ask for an inflated fare (but not as bad as the coupon price). But if you keep on asking, you will get a taxi that will use the meter.

On a final note, I feel angst when dealing with troublesome transport drivers in the Philippines. In Vietnam and Cambodia, I feel safe to say "fuck off" to transport drivers who want to rip me off. I wouldn't say that kind of stuff in the Philippines; I've read too many stories about nasty pycho Philippinos.

[Fast Eddie 48]

I saved Php 50. The fare from my hotel to EDSA was less than Php 150 (140?) so I knew the price. If he had put the meter on, I would have given him Php 150 and tell him to keep the change. It was also my third day there and I was very fed up with drivers trying to rip me off. One of them even had to nerve to blame me for him not having enough change to break a Php 50 note!To Danibbler

If you want to save money you should just take the Jeepney like the local, I agree more and more taxi driver are trying not to use the meter with fuel price going up it is harder for them to make a living. Manila need to have a better transit system just too much traffic.

[WestCoast1]

I've also had taxis refuse to use the meter during daytime rush hour.This can be legit for the driver to do in rush hour, if you are going somewhere more than about 20 minutes away."Very traffic sir." What he means is, he understands that your fare from malate to makati would normally be 180-200 and 20-25 minutes (at night). But in heavy traffic, on a long trip such as that (40 minutes to 1 hour maybe) , he will barely make profit on your ride. Then he must head back to malate without a customer, and lose gas money on the way back. He will want to turn the meter off and ask 300. Or, he will insist on meter + 100 (or similar). There is nothing wrong with this. He's not necessarily trying to rip you off, its just him covering his gas expenses. If you don't agree, just get another taxi.

[Danibbler]

It's not only to save money but it's also not to be ripped off.

As for taxi drivers not making enough money, I had one taxi driver who boasted that even living in Manila (he's originally from elsewhere) he makes about Php 600-700 a day. I still gave him a tip because it was a good ride with good conversation and we drove around a little bit looking for good restos.


If you want to save money you should just take the Jeepney like the local, I agree more and more taxi driver are trying not to use the meter with fuel price going up it is harder for them to make a living.

[Chocha Monger]

Sources close to me indicate that half your mind has already been "blocked out" due to consumption of liquids that are known to affect memory and sanity. THe other half is apparently impeded by a combination of advanced age and some sort of delirium caused by the unnatural input of short time hotel odors and unnaturally available vagigaga. You have apparently avoided a complete mental breakdown by avoiding the Jollitripledogmeat burger. Good for you!Consumption of fluids secreted by the kidneys can result in madness. Our own resident Havelock Ellis seems to be suffering from advanced dementia brought on by the strong fumes of ammonia found in short time motels frequented by his fellow urophiliacs in the vicinity of Pedro Gil St, Ermita. His exploits as a British rear admiral certainly doesn't help his sanity, and I don't refer to the honorable profession practiced by Lord Nelson.

[Run Mann]

To Danibbler

If you want to save money you should just take the Jeepney like the local, I agree more and more taxi driver are trying not to use the meter with fuel price going up it is harder for them to make a living. Manila need to have a better transit system just too much traffic.If you walk or hitch a ride you can get there for free, sure hope no one gets hurt over 50 pesos dealing with these taxi drivers.

[Key Master]

Manila need to have a better transit system just too much traffic.In my opinion, traffic would not be nearly as bad if the people would have some common sense in driving. So many times these people screw everyone over as they cross over as late as possible and block everyone from moving and such. The list can go on and on, but most of the the time, the locals are idiots when it comes to driving. The selfishness just makes the traffic worse than it need be there.

[Cunning Stunt]

thanks for your concern, lads, but i assure you that i'm doing fine. i've reduced my consumption of the devils brew to 10 bottles of red horse and 2 bottles of tanduay a day and i'm feeling good. the only [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118) and ammoniac absorption that i now partake of, takes place in my local pool. still like to splice the mainbrace and captain the boat from the rear poopdeck but don't we all given the opportunity.

my dear momsy always told me you are what you eat which is why i seem to be developing a vertical mouth. but whereas i may be a fully fledged kunt, you two boys are mere pussies in comparison.

the philippine forum must be unique on isg in that it's members seem to spend as much time discussing taxi drivers and manila's transport infrastructure as it does the girls. now that is worrying!

[Jopj1]

Guys,

I ll be visiting Manilla for the first time and will be with GF. So no way I can host in my hotel room.

Do they have something like saunas or similar options in Manilla?

Could not find anything reading previous posts.

Thanks for your help

[Member #4643]

The Philippine forum must be unique on ISG in that it's members seem to spend as much time discussing taxi drivers and Manila's transport infrastructure as it does the girls. Now that is worrying!It is not unique that members spend a lot of time talking about taxis. In Brazil, for example, I have often spent as much on taxis as women and there is a great deal on those boards discussing the situation, though in comparison the Phils boards are a bit extreme. Someone should start a new thread on "Manila taxis"!

[PeterTaylor]

Sorry about earlier post as I just found the Angeles and Manila hotel forums. Me having a senior moment. Sorry.

Any advice still gratefully received, but will read appropriate forums.

Peter

[Danibbler]

Keep reading. There are quite a few places like Air Force One and Roman Suites.


Guys,

Do they have something like saunas or similar options in Manilla?

Could not find anything reading previous posts.

Thanks for your help

[Soapy Smith]

Do they have something like saunas or similar options in Manilla? Could not find anything reading previous posts.Try post #7872 in this thread. 12 days ago.

[Fast Eddie 48]

It is not unique that members spend a lot of time talking about taxis. In Brazil, for example, I have often spent as much on taxis as women and there is a great deal on those boards discussing the situation, though in comparison the Phils boards are a bit extreme. Someone should start a new thread on "Manila taxis"!To Forest

You are so correct you guys are bitching about over charging 50 peso little over 1 USD, for you that have taking taxi in NYC ans Sao paulo taxi driver want up to 5 USD tip, this is waste of time don't even start a thread on this.

Fast Eddie 48

[X Man]

one of the reasons i skip manila now is because of my high blood pressure reaction to people trying to cheat me or take me to places i didn't ask them to take me to.

cs, it's wonderful that you have accepted that you are a full fledged kunt. but where will you go from there?


thanks for your concern, lads, but i assure you that i'm doing fine. i've reduced my consumption of the devils brew to 10 bottles of red horse and 2 bottles of tanduay a day and i'm feeling good. the only [CodeWord118] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord118) and ammoniac absorption that i now partake of, takes place in my local pool. still like to splice the mainbrace and captain the boat from the rear poopdeck but don't we all given the opportunity.

my dear momsy always told me you are what you eat which is why i seem to be developing a vertical mouth. but whereas i may be a fully fledged kunt, you two boys are mere pussies in comparison.

the philippine forum must be unique on isg in that it's members seem to spend as much time discussing taxi drivers and manila's transport infrastructure as it does the girls. now that is worrying!

[Lopkx]

3. Republiq nightclub.

http://republiqclub.com/

Check it out! Worth having a look. Make sure you wear shirt and dress nice as they enforce the dress code even for westerners. I was with a date and her kissing friend so I didn't try to pick up but I would be laying if I didn't say that upgrade was the only thing on my mind for those couple of hours there. If it was a fist date and didn't know what awaits I would have ditched them at the door. Mind you this were nice ladies tooCrazy! I didn't know this club existed. I was staying at the Marriott at the Newport Mall resorts world earlier this year. I will definitely check it out in November.

[Fast Eddie 48]

In my opinion, traffic would not be nearly as bad if the people would have some common sense in driving. So many times these people screw everyone over as they cross over as late as possible and block everyone from moving and such. The list can go on and on, but most of the the time, the locals are idiots when it comes to driving. The selfishness just makes the traffic worse than it need be there.To Key master.

I don't think driver in Manila is that bad there are worst in other country, the road condition are bad in most place in manila other than Makati area government don't want to spend

Any money to improve the living condition.

Fast Eddie 48

[Cunning Stunt]

But where will you go from there?Downhill running up or is that uphill, running down. I haven't quite decided!

[Sugoi]

I don't get this problem that some guys appear to have with taxi drivers. I've lived in the country for eight years, get to Manila about twice a month and frequently take taxis. I could probably count on one hand the number of times in those eight years I've had a driver refuse to use the meter. I have a good friend who is a member of this board, who takes taxis several times a day, and he doesn't have this problem either.

GEGE,

I think it comes down to the locations where they get the taxis. If you get one outside of MBC or a club, they take advantage of people and are usually working with the people at the club. I went to Miss Universal in Pasay several years ago and took a cab outside and he didn't use the meter and we were several miles away before I realized it. I had a Filipino in the front seat and let him take care of the taxi.

I've also tried to get taxis outside of Greenbelt 3 or New World Hotel and Glorietta and had a driver or 2 who did not want to use the meter. This was quite a few years ago so things may have changed but I have found that they seem to target expats because they know that 50-100 pesos more is usually not much for expats.

[FreebieFan]

Actually one day prior to departure to Manila last weekend I had an incredibly athletic session with a sweet young Filipina in Taipei. 29 and 42 kgs and amazingly athletic. She had sweet lips and small teeth but somehow the teeth and lips managed to take away a lot of skin on my lips. Oh and in our third mid bonk my calf muscle tightened and cramped in a very painful way. Had to push said girl off me very hastily. Other than that was a very pleasant pre Manila bonk but left me drained and aching before my flight.

Took my normal CP flight and on arriving in Manila airport at 3. 30am was suprised that there was a planeload of passengers in front of immigration. Picture the scene. 200 plus passengers with only 2 immigration clerks for foreigners. 2 immigration clerks doing nothing at the " Philippine passport only line"." honey, can you help us in this slow moving line by processing our passports?" No Philippine passports only! . So much for Philippine hospitality. 75 minutes to clear immigration! Not fun at 4am.

Arrived at my home, sleep etc then headed off to meet number 1. 24 years old, had seen her bikini pics, smokin body and sweet words. We had a bit of hit and miss (wer are you, I'm here ") runaround in the mall where we met, but when I saw her, very impressed, tall coltish long legs. 44 kgs. 5ft 4 big happy smile. Looked good for a few hours thats for sure.

We go to my place, and we decide to have a small sleep. Well if she's in the bed we may as well play a bit but her clothes stubbornly remained on. Change of plan. All Filipina love to model so gave her a gold bikini and we start to take pictures. She gets into this. Soon the hugging starts and from there she wants to take shower. I join her so I'm naked in the shower and she's in her bikini. Thats what she wanted. Anyways from there to the bed. Nice slim hips, small slim pussy. She's tasty all over. She's so slim and tight that I can't last that long which is unusual for me. Lots more pics and playing and then I need to leave her so I can prepare for number 2. I drop her off and later get several sweetie type texts " Freebie if you werent married would you marry me " LOL.

I'm in Rogues waiting for number 2. I had met and done her a few weeks back and she was definately worth a repeat. She sends me texts " I'm 5 minutes away are you ready to rumble " LOL. She gets out he taxi, in nice devil red dress, hair all back looking like she had just come from church, which she had. She sings in the choir. She looked so sweet giving disdainful looks to the vigra salesman. We get in my car in front of Stardust and she basically jumps on me. Long long kisses (on my lips that are almost skinless by now) , she shoves my hand in her pussy, shoves her nipples on my mouth. Was very hot and steamy in my car till I told her theres lots of people around. We noticed her dress had broke in all our fumbling. Quick car exit to Ministop to get safety pins.

We drive off, stil with my hand in her puss which by now is like a river. The plan was to go have dinner, but instead went to my place where we bonked like rabbits or teenagers or both for a sweat soaked hour. We venture out for dinner later, she gave a great blow as drive near the Fort, then back to my place for more multiple bonks! She had no problems that I was making video of most of the bonking. Was just very high energy and intense. Thankfully she was as spent as I was in the morning so my sore lips and sore dick were spared further punishment. Dropped her off and went to meetings. She had a new phone for her birthday (not from me) and I guess she knew some but not all the functions. So later that morning she sends me text " honey turn on your bluetooth so I can send you a love song ". Had to politely explain that she was 10 kms away and I doubt my phone could connect with hers. LOL. Sweeet girl, looks pure and innocent and has pics of her with her pastor in fb. But hot hot hot. Report to be continued.

[WestCoast1]

Nice report freeb! Post more. Made me horny with that lip-biting thing. My last trip I had a pinay bite my lips at times, and also pinch at times. The biting turned me on, the pinching turned me off. Carrot-and-stick approach to sex.

[FreebieFan]

Ok so the choir girl left and I went to work. Thankfully not too much work to do, which included buying lip balm LOL.

Next up was a meeting with a girl I had bedded a long time ago. The normal tall and slim type, desperate for a husband but instead saddled with two young twins and a sick mom. She has a low paying job and I'm in the mood to help, but I'm not going to give money away without a return. So we meet up at Monday lunch, go to my place, I get a 90 minute massge including 20 minutes of ball massage and a nice long blow / HJ. She gets p1000 which really thrilled her and I get a "good karma investment".

Drop her off then off to meet another new one. This one and I had had some interesting YM chats. Had a few great pics but kept telling me " better you see me in real". I suspect she's a really smart girl but needs a helping hand in life, as many of them do.

Met and she's really gorgeous. Just turned 21, prettiest smile I've seen in years. She had told me when we said we would meet that she was shy and didn't want to be seen in street with me but would be more comfortable going to my place, but not for sex. I always take that comment with a pinch of salt.

We get to my place, and I pull the " oh you look tired, lets lie down routine.". We end up in bed, small kisses, big kisses etcetc. Tastiest pussy I've had for a long time. Nice body but a bit of a starfish. Anyways she was nice and worth a repeat as she was interesting and smart to talk with. Drop her then head out for dinner. Sit in Howzat Sports bar near Burgos which is normally ok for service. I order a pie, and after 30 minutes ask waitress where it is. She says " coming in 5 mins Sir ". After 5 minutes she says " sorry Sir we have no pies.!". Call supervisor and ten minutes later I have my pie. LOL.

Anyways during this sojourn in Howzat I'm waiting for a text from Mnoday nights bedmate. But no text coming. Hmm start working on Plan B, C, D. Texting all to see who is first past the post. Interestingly a girl I had a few chats with on DIA (waitress in Makati ave resto, had just finished work, and said lets meet.).21, half japanese, had a kid, and she turns up 10 minutes later. Small, happy smile. We have one beer then go to my car and my place. We had never met before, had never discussed sex and yet 15 minutes after meeting me she's in my car. Never ceases to amaze me that Filipinas just accept this kind of behaviour as normal. Anyways get home and I'm really not horny (too much sex duh) but the girl says sweetly " Freebie, you have nice lips. I wonder how they are to kiss " and so my battered lips start again. Of course we end up in bed, she's gives a great blow, we both finish and sleep. Thankfully she doesn't want to be held all night and I get some rest. She's very happy when she gets P1000 in morning and lifes good.

From there I go buy books and DVDs in Cinema square whilst I wait for Tuesday first victim. This is also a repeat, a girl with a real sweet heart, who is just lovely to be with. We meet, lunch, go to bed and at the point of insertion she finds period has just started. Never mind I was happy with the rest. (I figure one girl out of 7 with a period is a fair average ). Now this girl has lips made from heaven. So soft and my bruised lips were so happy with hers. Realy sweet girl, I could really fall for. This time I get pics of her in bikini and have some fabulous pics of this girls boobs which I think are the best I've ever seen. Big for her small frame, maybe a big B or small see cup. But sooooo nice and photogenic. Anyways drop her at 5 and from there pick up the one I was supposed to meet on Monday night. She's in nice high heels and tight jeans and looked great for 30. I told her we only had 90 so the smart girl says "we have no time to waste then, and leads me to the bedroom". We do our thing and I drop her off with some taxi money. Go through the hassle of excess baggage with CP (the excess cost P 200! For which they insisted I pay. Told them that maybe a loyal customer is better value than a dumb policy thats inconsistently applied. The joys of travel ). Got home in Taipei. Rested weary body and lips. And already looking forward to next trip. 7 ladies in 66 hours is probably excessive but all my trips seem to be like that. Next time wil ltry and keep to 3 girls only. Each one for 24 hours. But which 3. Life has sooooo many choices!

[FreebieFan]

Nice report freeb! Post more. Made me horny with that lip-biting thing. My last trip I had a pinay bite my lips at times, and also pinch at times. The biting turned me on, the pinching turned me off. Carrot-and-stick approach to sex.Of course I also didn't add that Ms Woman in Red also continuously said she liked my ass. So much so after we had a shower she asked me to lay down face front whilst she spent 15 minutes squeezing my ass cheeks and then licking the said area in what was the best rimming I ever had. Talk about an ass kisser. LOL.

[Bbbjcifcim]

Hi all!

I'm traveling to Manila in oct for the first time and will stay at the Richmonde Hotel near the SM Megamall.

Is this a good place for hunting? And is the hotel girlfriendly?

Thanks for all your comments and advices.

[HenryV]

In general, I agree.

However, there are exceptions (read my recent post on this matter). When you are a stanger, in a stange land, an abundance of caution is usually in order, especially for newbies.


I don't get this problem that some guys appear to have with taxi drivers. I've lived in the country for eight years, get to Manila about twice a month and frequently take taxis. I could probably count on one hand the number of times in those eight years I've had a driver refuse to use the meter. I have a good friend who is a member of this board, who takes taxis several times a day, and he doesn't have this problem either.

GE

[Danibbler]

So, if a Filipina tries to charge us an extra Php 2000 for ST, it's no big deal right? I mean, I pay US250 plus tip per hr for a Canadian girl.

Look, you have your opinion and we have ours. Some don't like being ripped off no matter what the amount is. If you like being treated as a walking doormat and ATM then by all means good for you. But, even the Filipinos I've met don't like being ripped off.


To Forest

You are so correct you guys are bitching about over charging 50 peso little over 1 USD, for you that have taking taxi in NYC ans Sao paulo taxi driver want up to 5 USD tip, this is waste of time don't even start a thread on this.

Fast Eddie 48

[Red Kilt]

Hi all!

I'm traveling to Manila in oct for the first time and will stay at the Richmonde Hotel near the SM Megamall.

Is this a good place for hunting? And is the hotel girlfriendly?I live in Ortigas Center and it is not a good place for hunting unless you have the game to go after very young and naive shop girls in the 4 large malls within walking distance of Richmonde Hotel (Shangri-la Plaza, SM Megamall, Podium and Robinson's Galleria). Some guys say they have picked up girls in these malls (particularly Megamall) , but I think they exaggerate a bit and as someone who spends a lot of time in these malls, I would say the odds are very low unless you are Brad Pitt (I am George Clooney and it doesn't work for me LOL).

There are no bars with girls in Ortigas Center, but you are only a 120 to 150 peso taxi ride from Burgos Street or Greenbelt in Makati.

Richmonde Hotel is heavily used for government seminars and workshops etc and has good security. I have been there many times but only during the day for training events and I have not seen many tourists or guys with companions.

It is definitely not on the regular mongering list. If you book a double room then I doubt that anything will be said to you unless you pick up an obvious hooker. I have never heard of any girls hanging around that hotel. It is a good 5-minute walk from Megamall.

[FreebieFan]

In general, I agree.

However, there are exceptions (read my recent post on this matter). When you are a stanger, in a stange land, an abundance of caution is usually in order, especially for newbies.Although I rarely take taxis in Manila, as I have my own wheels, on the ocassions that I do, then please remember to always have change. I took a P200 ride to the airport recently, gave the guy a P1000 and his sighs, moans, groans and general suplado-ness would have made a fishmonger proud. For 5 minutes he rabbitted on about how I the passenger was taking all his change. The fact he could only find p700 in change was neither here nor there. Keep those crumpled notes, they are useful. LOL

[FreebieFan]

I live in Ortigas Center and it is not a good place for hunting unless you have the game to go after very young and naive shop girls in the 4 large malls within walking distance of Richmonde Hotel (Shangri-la Plaza, SM Megamall, Podium and Robinson's Galleria). Some guys say they have picked up girls in these malls (particularly Megamall) , but I think they exaggerate a bit and as someone who spends a lot of time in these malls, I would say the odds are very low unless you are Brad Pitt (I am George Clooney and it doesn't work for me LOL).

There are no bars with girls in Ortigas Center, but you are only a 120 to 150 peso taxi ride from Burgos Street or Greenbelt in Makati.You should have added that Megamall on a Sunday indicates the need for immediate birth control in Phils. It is a teeming mass of humanity, moving in all directions with a multitude of children in tow. The car park is already full by 10am and the restaurants have waiting lines outside from 11am (eating being an important part of malling).

How a monger could pick up in that atmosphere I don't know. Alothugh a frotterist could have a great time. Imagine a football stadium opening its gates at the end of a match and thats how Megamall is on a Sunday.

Allthough I once met a virgin in the bowling alley there and the Kamagong Inn in Pasay took care of that little problem.

[FreebieFan]

When I lived in Manila from 1998 for a few years, I was often in Maskara (was called KC bar previously ). They had a nice little dark curtained corner that was great for "activities". There was a long haired girl who I often took for said activities. Last time I saw her was 2002. Today I get message from her. She had seen my pic in DIA and remembered me " with fondness". Makes a man feel good to know his fumblings in the dark meant something. LOL

[Great Muta]

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone know any good free dating sites in the phillipines? All of the ones I can find either require money to send messages or want cell phone numbers. I would prefer to just sign up and be able to talk to someone for free.

Thanks

[Slippery]

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone know any good free dating sites in the phillipines? All of the ones I can find either require money to send messages or want cell phone numbers. I would prefer to just sign up and be able to talk to someone for free.

ThanksWww.dateinasia.com Watch out for the ladyboys and scammers. You will find them on any such site though.

[Tally Wacker]

Www.dateinasia.com

Watch out for the ladyboys and scammers. You will find them on any such site though.Doesn't DIA require a Cell # to confirm account? They did last time I tried to create an account after I was kicked off. I think I resonded badly to too many lady boys and got booted.

[KyCuriosity]

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone know any good free dating sites in the phillipines? All of the ones I can find either require money to send messages or want cell phone numbers. I would prefer to just sign up and be able to talk to someone for free.

ThanksI recently closed my older account and opened a new one in dateinasia. Com. IF you want a particular site that requires a phone number, then it's an easy fix. Use the Textfree with voice program either on your smartphone or on the internet. Use a temporary phone number to receive the confirmation text. Or just make up a Gmail account (which I used) to verify your dateinasia account.

[Sparth]

Www.dateinasia.com

Watch out for the ladyboys and scammers. You will find them on any such site though.DIA requires cellphone activation too now.

Tagged is okay. But the best way is Facebook. Create a fake a / see, those pinas love reaching 5000 fake friends,

[AmericanThief]

I recently closed my older account and opened a new one in dateinasia. Com. IF you want a particular site that requires a phone number, then it's an easy fix. Use the Textfree with voice program either on your smartphone or on the internet. Use a temporary phone number to receive the confirmation text. Or just make up a Gmail account (which I used) to verify your dateinasia account.Can you explain how this is an easy fix using the internet when they require a cell phone confirmation?

[JerseyShoreSun]

Create a fake a / see, those pinas love reaching 5000 fake friends,Too freaking funny!

JSS

[BillB]

Originally Posted by Great Muta

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone know any good free dating sites in the phillipines? All of the ones I can find either require money to send messages or want cell phone numbers. I would prefer to just sign up and be able to talk to someone for free.

Thanks.

Here is a free site for the Philippines, you need to register but it's free.

http://www.pinalove.com/

[Red Kilt]

Originally Posted by Great Muta

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone know any good free dating sites in the phillipines? All of the ones I can find either require money to send messages or want cell phone numbers. I would prefer to just sign up and be able to talk to someone for free.

Thanks.

Here is a free site for the Philippines, you need to register but it's free.

http://www.pinalove.com/I don't know why TF you posted these two comments here?

Just a short click away is a thread called "Chat Rooms and Pen Pals".

My response is there.

[Lustforthrust]

Originally Posted by Great Muta

Kind of off-topic, but does anyone know any good free dating sites in the phillipines? All of the ones I can find either require money to send messages or want cell phone numbers. I would prefer to just sign up and be able to talk to someone for free.

Thanks.

Here is a free site for the Philippines, you need to register but it's free.

http://www.pinalove.com/Registration page sucks.

[HenryV]

When I am going to be in Manila or Cebu for any amount of time (e. G, next month) I carry what I call my "taxi" wallet. An old beat up wallet in which I put lower denomination bills, great for taxis.


Although I rarely take taxis in Manila, as I have my own wheels, on the ocassions that I do, then please remember to always have change. I took a P200 ride to the airport recently, gave the guy a P1000 and his sighs, moans, groans and general suplado-ness would have made a fishmonger proud. For 5 minutes he rabbitted on about how I the passenger was taking all his change. The fact he could only find p700 in change was neither here nor there. Keep those crumpled notes, they are useful. LOL

[HenryV]

You should consider the Raja on Osmena Circle.

"Friendly," and can walk to Silver Dollar. The Mango Street Bars are a little hike, but I enjoy walking.


I live in Ortigas Center and it is not a good place for hunting unless you have the game to go after very young and naive shop girls in the 4 large malls within walking distance of Richmonde Hotel (Shangri-la Plaza, SM Megamall, Podium and Robinson's Galleria). Some guys say they have picked up girls in these malls (particularly Megamall) , but I think they exaggerate a bit and as someone who spends a lot of time in these malls, I would say the odds are very low unless you are Brad Pitt (I am George Clooney and it doesn't work for me LOL).

There are no bars with girls in Ortigas Center, but you are only a 120 to 150 peso taxi ride from Burgos Street or Greenbelt in Makati.

Richmonde Hotel is heavily used for government seminars and workshops etc and has good security. I have been there many times but only during the day for training events and I have not seen many tourists or guys with companions.

It is definitely not on the regular mongering list. If you book a double room then I doubt that anything will be said to you unless you pick up an obvious hooker. I have never heard of any girls hanging around that hotel. It is a good 5-minute walk from Megamall.

[HenryV]

My apologies, just relized I posted this in the "Manila" thread, have Cebu on my mind.


You should consider the Raja on Osmena Circle.

"Friendly," and can walk to Silver Dollar. The Mango Street Bars are a little hike, but I enjoy walking.

[Mongrinastrlnd]

In many trips to Manila, I've never gotten a chance to try edsa complex until now.

I thought I'd have the ideal opportunity since I booked Heritage at a discounted rate AND they upgraded me to a suite. Alas it was not to be. Either I grade much more strict than I previously thought, my regular gf (a 35kg 4'11" total spinner) has spoiled me to other pinays or the quality is not what it was said to be. Majority were 6s at BEST with a few just barely 7s (my ideal is about 5'4", flat belly, super-slim with a-cup susus and Chinese or samar features). Most of the deductions I gave were for fat bellies, see-section scars or cellulite.

In Firehouse I had the only 9 I saw the whole night (#68, a Chinese-featured manila girl) tabled, she was one of only 2 girls showing any enthusiasm on stage, the kino was going on and was being asked to barfine eagerly but my starfish alert was dialed up to 11 and didn't risk it. Checked every bar in the place but the only other girl I found tablable was only about a 7. 5, I probably would have barfined her if I had found her earlier in the night but I'd already had about 5 beers at that point.

[Danibbler]

Oh good, so I was not the only one! I was there on Sept. 7 and I went through four bars and nothing really caught my eye except for a couple in the Cotton Club. Was driven out by the incessant whining for drinks. That was a real disappointment since EDSA was going to be the highlight of the trip.


Either I grade much more strict than I previously thought, my regular gf (a 35kg 4'11" total spinner) has spoiled me to other pinays or the quality is not what it was said to be. Majority were 6s at BEST with a few just barely 7s (my ideal is about 5'4", flat belly, super-slim with a-cup susus and Chinese or samar features). Most of the deductions I gave were for fat bellies, see-section scars or cellulite.

In Firehouse I had the only 9 I saw the whole night (#68, a Chinese-featured manila girl) tabled, she was one of only 2 girls showing any enthusiasm on stage, the kino was going on and was being asked to barfine eagerly but my starfish alert was dialed up to 11 and didn't risk it. Checked every bar in the place but the only other girl I found tablable was only about a 7. 5, I probably would have barfined her if I had found her earlier in the night but I'd already had about 5 beers at that point.

[Tmnb26]

Going to be visiting Manila for a couple days and want to find some action at EDSA entertainment complex but I do not have anywhere to take a bargirl for a whole night. I am staying with a couple guys and do not want to bring a girl back to our shared hotel room. Are the any hourly rate rooms near the complex or do any of the places have a back room to take care of business? Any info would help. I hate to have to pay for another room for just a hour or two of use.

Thanks in advance!

[Tmnb26]

Going to be visiting Manila for a couple days and want to find some action at EDSA entertainment complex but I do not have anywhere to take a bargirl for a whole night. I am staying with a couple guys and do not want to bring a girl back to our shared hotel room. Are the any hourly rate rooms near the complex or do any of the places have a back room to take care of business? Any info would help. I hate to have to pay for another room for just a hour or two of use.

Thanks in advance!

[Jbiz979]

I hear that their are college dorms that one can go to monger with college chicks looking for fun and some tuition help. Does any of you fine gentleman no of this and if so what colleges and areas?

[Soapy Smith]

Going to be visiting Manila for a couple days and want to find some action at EDSA entertainment complex but I do not have anywhere to take a bargirl for a whole night. I am staying with a couple guys and do not want to bring a girl back to our shared hotel room. Are the any hourly rate rooms near the complex or do any of the places have a back room to take care of business? Any info would help. I hate to have to pay for another room for just a hour or two of use. Thanks in advance!Go to their website and check out locations. There is one diagonally across EDSA from the complex. There's a pedestrian bridge across EDSA but some recent posts have suggested it might not be a good route in the dark. You can always pay one of the taxis to do a you-turn on EDSA and take you the 1/4 mile or so back to Sogo. But make sure either you know the price or the meter is on before you leave. Do a search for information about Sogo in the Manila Hotels thread for other information. About April or May somebody posted a note in that thread about another possible short-time hotel nearby. Sogo prices will not break the bank. Mongering is inexpensive in the Philippines, but it's not free.

[Red Kilt]

Go to their website and check out locations. There is one diagonally across EDSA from the complex. There's a pedestrian bridge across EDSA but some recent posts have suggested it might not be a good route in the dark. You can always pay one of the taxis to do a you-turn on EDSA and take you the 1/4 mile or so back to Sogo. But make sure either you know the price or the meter is on before you leave. Do a search for information about Sogo in the Manila Hotels thread for other information. About April or May somebody posted a note in that thread about another possible short-time hotel nearby. Sogo prices will not break the bank. Mongering is inexpensive in the Philippines, but it's not free.
When you turn right at the street alongside SOGO opposite EDSA Complex off EDSA you will see many many short term hotels both in that street and in the first turn right after you go past the entrance to SOGO. One of them on the next block is Kamagong Inn. They are advertising very low rates for short-time (around half the SOGO rates that are already low ). I hear from friends that it is perfectly acceptable.

Alternatively just ask the girl of your choice for her usual ST hotel. Many of them have discount cards and they will get you at least 10% off the rate that you can then add to their tip and still break even.

[ALE384]

Hi guys, resident of Beijing here, first time in Manila. I was wondering about the Manila Bar Cafe (MBC) , formerly LA Cafe. Is it still operating? Are taxi drivers likely to know where it is?

Cheers!

[Buko Max]

Hi guys, resident of Beijing here, first time in Manila. I was wondering about the Manila Bar Cafe (MBC) , formerly LA Cafe. Is it still operating? Are taxi drivers likely to know where it is?

Cheers!Yes still going strong after all these years! Corner R. Salas and M. H. Del Pilar in Ermita.

[Amavida]

I hear that their are college dorms that one can go to monger with college chicks looking for fun and some tuition help. Does any of you fine gentleman no of this and if so what colleges and areas?Dorms no, internet dating sites & malls yes. Hanging around cafes in the neighbourhood of colleges frequented by college chicks is productive if you have time in your hands & don't act sleazy. That will cone soon enough. ;)
All colleges, especially those with lower academic standards.
Any woman in the Philippines us pretty much available for that matter.. just stand on any street corner & they will come to you hehehe :)
Look for the come on signals, don't blunder up to strangers & proposition them. Any girl on the make will give you lots of eye contact & shy smiles

AV

[Amavida]

Hi guys, resident of Beijing here, first time in Manila. I was wondering about the Manila Bar Cafe (MBC) , formerly LA Cafe. Is it still operating? Are taxi drivers likely to know where it is?

Cheers!Affirmative & affirmative.

AV

[FreebieFan]

When U-turn right at the street alongside SOGO opposite EDSA Complex off EDSA you will see many many short term hotels both in that street and in the first turn right after you go past the entrance to SOGO. One of them on the next block is Kamagong Inn. They are advertising very low rates for short-time (around half the SOGO rates that are already low ). I hear from friends that it is perfectly acceptable.

Alternatively just ask the girl of your choice for her usual ST hotel. Many of them have discount cards and they will get you at least 10% off the rate that you can then add to their tip and still break even.Kamagong Inn was a very successful and happy playground for me for many years. A few hymen (whats the plural of hymen. Hymens?) were left behnid from my own fine efforts. They had a nice Japanese themed room that even had a little footbridge in the suite and some other nice suites. Haven't been there in many years but was a fine place before Sogo joined that neighbourhood.

[Jambo]

All colleges, especially those with lower academic standards.Look for the come on signalsRoger that! I've had aunties grab me while I was shopping and tell me about their single relatives. And otoh, I've had a upper-class college girl get spitting mad at me for daring to flirt with her. Spanish blood I guess.

[RasSpewtin]

I am flying out to Manila tomorrow and staying in the Burgos district. Is there anyone on the ground over there who can tell me if there is any flooding in the area surrounding Burgos. Would be good to know because if so, then I can be forearmed and grab one of those SUV-style taxis with the higher wheelbase at the airport.

Cheers;

Raz.

PS: Sorry for the duplicate of the post that I put in the Makati section, but that thread has been dead for several days and Iam hoping for an answer before I fly tomorrow.

[Ekspat]

Hi Raz,

I've left Makati today in the morning towards AC, and I stayed also P. Burgos area, no problem at all. No rain today or at best some drops.

There wasn't much flooding after all. As far as I know, the typhoon did not hit Manila head-on.

Enjoy!


I am flying out to Manila tomorrow and staying in the Burgos district. Is there anyone on the ground over there who can tell me if there is any flooding in the area surrounding Burgos. Would be good to know because if so, then I can be forearmed and grab one of those SUV-style taxis with the higher wheelbase at the airport.

Cheers;

Raz.

PS: Sorry for the duplicate of the post that I put in the Makati section, but that thread has been dead for several days and Iam hoping for an answer before I fly tomorrow.

[Red Kilt]

I am flying out to Manila tomorrow and staying in the Burgos district. Is there anyone on the ground over there who can tell me if there is any flooding in the area surrounding Burgos. Would be good to know because if so, then I can be forearmed and grab one of those SUV-style taxis with the higher wheelbase at the airport.

Cheers;

Raz.There are no worrries around where you will be staying Raz as it drains pretty well there and the typhoon Pedring has gone now.

But. You should know a new typhoon called Quriel is barrelling towards the PI and expected to hit on October 2.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/pedring-moves-away-but-new-storm-brewing.html

Don't plan on roaming around. Half an iron fence from a building site got blown around Ortigas streets at midday yesterday (Tuesday)

[Irony Monger]

There are no worrries around where you will be staying Raz as it drains pretty well there and the typhoon Pedring has gone now.

But. You should know a new typhoon called Quriel is barrelling towards the PI and expected to hit on October 2.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/pedring-moves-away-but-new-storm-brewing.html

Don't plan on roaming around. Half an iron fence from a building site got blown around Ortigas streets at midday yesterday (Tuesday) Ouch! I'm scheduled to depart Manila on Oct 3. How well do the airports function the day after a typhoon? I hope we don't get a direct hit.

[Chocha Monger]

Rumors have it that there are dorms filled with leprechauns with big tits, some say there are even several hobbits with big tits in secret dorms in Manila. Be sure to report back here if anyone finds them. There was one forum member who was going to Zamboanga to fuck one but he got a case of the chicken shits.

[Sxxxx]

Rumors have it that there are dorms filled with leprechauns with big tits, some say there are even several hobbits with big tits in secret dorms in Manila. Be sure to report back here if anyone finds them. There was one forum member who was going to Zamboanga to fuck one but he got a case of the chicken shits.I agree with your report, have seen the same myself, before. Those self same Dorms would suit a certain person on this Forum, before he runs into trouble of his own making. Keep up the good work Chocha.

[Frenzy3]

I hear that their are college dorms that one can go to monger with college chicks looking for fun and some tuition help. Does any of you fine gentleman no of this and if so what colleges and areas?I think the guy who started this internet rumor is laughing every time a post like this appears. Do you think the dorms have waiting rooms for punter to see the line up of avalible girls? There are no guards with black books and photos of girls. I have gfs who go to school and know for a fact this does not happen. You have better luck meeting a girl in the mall.

Any guy who says different is joking with you.

[Red Kilt]

I think the guy who started this internet rumor is laughing every time a post like this appears. Do you think the dorms have waiting rooms for punter to see the line up of avalible girls? There are no guards with black books and photos of girls. I have gfs who go to school and know for a fact this does not happen. You have better luck meeting a girl in the mall.

Any guy who says different is joking with you.Frenzy is correct. There is virtually no way you can get into a college dorm. Not only are they are guarded well but the "good girls" in there would scream the house down if they saw some old geezers wandering in the front door to check out the talent.

However, there are lots of agencies who place OFWs working abroad that have boarding facilities for their workers to stay in while they are waiting for their visas, work documents, call-up to jump on the plane. Some of these workers are forced to wait on stand-by for weeks and even months before they are called. Many of these women get bored with the wait or run out of cash and you can find some on them on chat sites (DIA, FindLoveAsia, Cherry Blossom, Tagged etc) trawling for assistance.

However, these boarding houses are crowded and often in sleazy areas and you will not be able to wander in for a look, but if you can contact any of the waiting women you will soon find they will relish the opportunity to get out of the "bed spacer" for an afternoon or a whole night.

I have first.hand experience of it.

[Ekspat]

But. You should know a new typhoon called Quriel is barrelling towards the PI and expected to hit on October 2.For the time being, unlikely that it hits Manila or AC.

http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/wp201122.html

Cheers!

[Sxxxx]

Just more verbal diarrhea from Jokemonga. Hey Jokemonga ask Merriam what a dolt is and you will see a picture of yourself!For once you did not post one of your pathetic repetitive, ad nauseum posts, about big tits.

[Gangles]

RK mentioned the Richmonde hotel in Ortigas.

I regularly stay in the Linden Suites, which is a few doors away on San Miguel Avenue.

I regularly get a one bedroom suite for about $70. The hotel is in excellent condition, it is GF, service is excellent, and the complimentary breakfast is luxurious. The suite has a separate lounge room, kitchen, two plasma TV's. Etc.

I get this price through Agoda.

But it will only offer discount rate for stays of 7 days or less. If more than 7 days, I make 2 bookings.

G

[Red Kilt]

RK mentioned the Richmonde hotel in Ortigas. SNIPJust to clarify Gangles.

I "mentioned" Richmonde Hotel in my reply to a guy who was already booked there/

I told him there was no action there and it was not a monger hotel of choice.

He wasn't asking for recommendations of other hotels because he was already booked there.

Just wanted to clarify this in case anyone seeking a bed in Ortigas Center area misinterprets the reference to Richmonde Hotel by Gangles as an endorsement of it from me.

[MauiDude]

RK mentioned the Richmonde hotel in Ortigas.

I regularly stay in the Linden Suites, which is a few doors away on San Miguel Avenue.

I regularly get a one bedroom suite for about $70. The hotel is in excellent condition, it is GF, service is excellent, and the complimentary breakfast is luxurious. The suite has a separate lounge room, kitchen, two plasma TV's. Etc.

I get this price through Agoda.

But it will only offer discount rate for stays of 7 days or less. If more than 7 days, I make 2 bookings.

GI would recommend Oakwood in Ortigas.

[Danibbler]

I guess you're the poster I was thinking of!

I got an offer to visit one of these places by a taxi driver when I was in Manila earlier this month.


However, there are lots of agencies who place OFWs working abroad that have boarding facilities for their workers to stay in while they are waiting for their visas, work documents, call-up to jump on the plane. Some of these workers are forced to wait on stand-by for weeks and even months before they are called. Many of these women get bored with the wait or run out of cash and you can find some on them on chat sites (DIA, FindLoveAsia, Cherry Blossom, Tagged etc) trawling for assistance.

However, these boarding houses are crowded and often in sleazy areas and you will not be able to wander in for a look, but if you can contact any of the waiting women you will soon find they will relish the opportunity to get out of the "bed spacer" for an afternoon or a whole night.

I have first. Hand experience of it.

[Chocha Monger]

Did you see any busty babes there with big tits? I'm planning to visit in March 2012. I was planning to visit Zamboanga because I saw this online chick from there with really big boobs, but now after hearing about those dorms with all those hobbits with big tits and hairy nipples I'm wanking myself silly just thinking of getting to Manila.

[Econo Tech]

Did you see any busty babes there with big tits? I'm planning to visit in March 2012. I was planning to visit Zamboanga because I saw this online chick from there with really big boobs, but now after hearing about those dorms with all those hobbits with big tits and hairy nipples I'm wanking myself silly just thinking of getting to Manila.Zam? How much is your life insurance worth? With the increased activity by NPA, CPP, AS, JI ABCD, EFGH. And all.

Good luck.

[Peet Man]

Anybody have any experience with the Oxford Suites in Makati? Is it Monger friendly? Anything close by?

Thanks in advance!

[Peet Man]

Anybody have any good reports from this hotel? How is the bar action?

[Red Kilt]

anybody have any good reports from this hotel? how is the bar action?not a likely venue peet man. the only "bar" is a loud, dank, live music place frequented by groups of people all partying together and there is zero freelancer action. there is no "bar" as such - you have lounge chairs only. sometimes if there is a free female in a group you might get some eye contact and if you have got game then you just might be able to get her away long enough to get a phone number but highly unlikely she will leave her group for you (unless you are brad pitt)

shangri-la makati has conway's bar which is a more likely venue but it too has a "hit or miss" scene, and the girls who sit at the bar are always high-priced and usually unattractive (to me anyway).

if you plan to stay at edsa shangri-la, i suggest that you also plan to head off to burgos street bars or the edsa international entertainment center if you want action.
edsa shangri-la is girl friendly provided you don't bring back an obvious hooker or bar girl. security may well ask for i d if you do but only for your protection.

[Slippery]

anybody have any good reports from this hotel? how is the bar action?yeah, hillary will be there this weekend. that's about as good as you're going to do.

[HenryV]

girl frienly when i was there last year.

i thought it was a very good location, most of bars are at your doorstep.


anybody have any experience with the oxford suites in makati? is it monger friendly? anything close by?

thanks in advance!

[WestCoast1]

anybody have any good reports from this hotel? how is the bar action?peet, a complaint: all (18) of your posts are questions, one-liners, like the one above. certainly you must have some information or insights to share with the board?

[Peet Man]

peet, a complaint: all (18) of your posts are questions, one-liners, like the one above. certainly you must have some information or insights to share with the board?yes noted. i will leave a post based on my upcoming trip. thanks

[Ekspat]

yes noted. i will leave a post based on my upcoming trip. thankswow. looking forward to it.

[Korkavado]

well, sitting here in my daily condo rental, looking at the manila skyline and drinking cheap vodka (toska 110 pesos a bottle at shopwise)

i sent my dia girl home to take her parents out to lunch and to have a little alone time for me.

my dia girl here is a real sweetie, and loads of fun to be with.

halfway through my manila trip and so far it is great.

last week when we were still at 24h hotel, my girl and i took her little chunky school friend that she grew up with out to dinner with a 3=some in mind afterwords. (this is the only girl my girl will do a 3=some with). we went out to eat and then back to the hotel, after a few red horse we all got naked. i started licking my girl. this time i was coaching the friend a little. as i was licking i pulled the friend down and told her to lick in that spot. my girl said "yeah do it". i started licking my girls nipples, she was having a blast. out came the 3-speed pocket rocket. both girls love this toy. i tried to make it last as long as possible. i ended up finishing with the friend. we all slept very well.

later after we moved to the daily condo rental, my girl got her monthly red tide. so we discussed one of her neighborhood friends she had shown me pics of. the girl was really hot and tall 5' 7".20 years old. the girl has one child, but a really flat belly. she agreed to meet us and needed assistance as all the people in the neighborhood are in the same economic situation, about 6 to 12 people living in a 40 sq. m apartment house.

we met at megamall, the girl arrived and wow she was really hot and tall, no tits to speak of, but what a nice set of legs and fine ass. we ate at gilligans. my girl had crispy squid heads. they are tasty. my girl loves squid. all the time i am eyeing the girl, she seems to have confidence and a little attitude. i like a girl with a little attitude. so i am thinking this girl is going to be a tigress in bed.

as we line up for the taxi, the tall friend is posing in all kinds of positions leaning on the hand rail to accentuate her ass and legs, and they look fine. nice, i'm thinking.

we get back to the condo and chit chat a little. the tall friend says she is ready and goes upstairs to rinse off. after a few minutes i go upstairs. my girl stays downstairs, texting as usual. i get upstairs and tell the friend to remove the towel. wow again. the girl is tall, lithe, and athletic looking. i admire her body for a while. then i tell her to start sucking, she does a decent job. i then tell her to get on top and do me, because i want to see all of her.

she gets on top and puts the tip in, she is using all the power in those long legs to keep herself elevated and not take the cock. and she is moving just a little. i'm thinking "what the fuck"? i tell her to get busy and start fucking my brains out,"what are you waiting for"? she says "you have big dick" (mind you my penis is only average at best, no illusions there). plus she already has a baby, but her belly is so flat. so i turn her over and try the missionary position, she is just so tense and unresponsive. this is getting annoying. i tell her she can leave, and don't come back until you are really ready. my girl comes upstairs, and i tell her to give the tall friend some money and make her leave.

this is what i love about my girl, she is really pissed the girl didn't make me happy. gives her some money and makes her leave.

once again deceived by appearance.

today the friend texted my girl and says she is really ready now. (also she needs some money) ha ha. i will give her another try just to admire and taste that body again.

manila is amazing.

enjoy,

kork

[Bbbjcifcim]

I live in Ortigas Center and it is not a good place for hunting unless you have the game to go after very young and naive shop girls in the 4 large malls within walking distance of Richmonde Hotel (Shangri-la Plaza, SM Megamall, Podium and Robinson's Galleria). Some guys say they have picked up girls in these malls (particularly Megamall) , but I think they exaggerate a bit and as someone who spends a lot of time in these malls, I would say the odds are very low unless you are Brad Pitt (I am George Clooney and it doesn't work for me LOL).

There are no bars with girls in Ortigas Center, but you are only a 120 to 150 peso taxi ride from Burgos Street or Greenbelt in Makati.

Richmonde Hotel is heavily used for government seminars and workshops etc and has good security. I have been there many times but only during the day for training events and I have not seen many tourists or guys with companions.

It is definitely not on the regular mongering list. If you book a double room then I doubt that anything will be said to you unless you pick up an obvious hooker. I have never heard of any girls hanging around that hotel. It is a good 5-minute walk from Megamall.Hey red kilt & freebiefan.

Thanks a lot for your advices, I will see where to go for pick-up. Hopefully the weather will be fine next week.

Cheerio

[Idler31]

I'm a newbie to the Philippines. In a couple of weeks I am visiting Manila and will be flying a long-standing DIA girl up from Davao to keep me company.

No worries on the quality of service; we have discussed at length what we will do, and she has demonstrated a lot of it on cam, too.

I bought her a round trip on Cebu Pacific today, online. No problems with the web site. The only question I have is: do Cebu Pacific have any unreasonable requirements concerning (for example) seeing the booker's credit card at check-in time? Or any other quirks and niggles that might interfere with plans?

Any hints gratefully appreciated.

[Gangles]

Your GF should stike no problems with Cebu Pacific. I have done the same several times.

The problem airlines are Philippine Airlines (PAL) and Airphilexpress. Which is the same airline. They both need to see the credit card.

G.


I'm a newbie to the Philippines. In a couple of weeks I am visiting Manila and will be flying a long-standing DIA girl up from Davao to keep me company.

No worries on the quality of service; we have discussed at length what we will do, and she has demonstrated a lot of it on cam, too.

I bought her a round trip on Cebu Pacific today, online. No problems with the web site. The only question I have is: do Cebu Pacific have any unreasonable requirements concerning (for example) seeing the booker's credit card at check-in time? Or any other quirks and niggles that might interfere with plans?

Any hints gratefully appreciated.

[Radical Guy]

I know that Philippine Airlines does this. I almost missed my flight because of their stupid rule. I don't know about CP.


I'm a newbie to the Philippines. In a couple of weeks I am visiting Manila and will be flying a long-standing DIA girl up from Davao to keep me company.

No worries on the quality of service; we have discussed at length what we will do, and she has demonstrated a lot of it on cam, too.

I bought her a round trip on Cebu Pacific today, online. No problems with the web site. The only question I have is: do Cebu Pacific have any unreasonable requirements concerning (for example) seeing the booker's credit card at check-in time? Or any other quirks and niggles that might interfere with plans?

Any hints gratefully appreciated.

[Sky Ryder]

I'm a newbie to the Philippines. In a couple of weeks I am visiting Manila and will be flying a long-standing DIA girl up from Davao to keep me company.

No worries on the quality of service; we have discussed at length what we will do, and she has demonstrated a lot of it on cam, too.

I bought her a round trip on Cebu Pacific today, online. No problems with the web site. The only question I have is: do Cebu Pacific have any unreasonable requirements concerning (for example) seeing the booker's credit card at check-in time? Or any other quirks and niggles that might interfere with plans?

Any hints gratefully appreciated.I am not sure how comfortable you will be with this, but I gave my girl a photo copy of the front of my card along with a copy of my passport. I forgot to ask her if they required her to show it, but I know that Philippine Airlines did require her to show the copies when she checked in for her flight to HK. It may be different for a domestic flight. I would call Cebu and ask if you can before she is left standing at the counter.

[Run Mann]

I'm a newbie to the Philippines. In a couple of weeks I am visiting Manila and will be flying a long-standing DIA girl up from Davao to keep me company.

No worries on the quality of service; we have discussed at length what we will do, and she has demonstrated a lot of it on cam, too.

I bought her a round trip on Cebu Pacific today, online. No problems with the web site. The only question I have is: do Cebu Pacific have any unreasonable requirements concerning (for example) seeing the booker's credit card at check-in time? Or any other quirks and niggles that might interfere with plans?

Any hints gratefully appreciated.Many airlines have this rule and it is quite a sound and reasonable rule. You have to read the fine print at the time of booking and it will tell you if the card is required when you check in. The intent is to prevent fraud and protect you and more importantly to the merchant, themselves. If consumers are allowed to book airfares with credit cards (as they were in the past) when the cards are not present it would lead to a larger increase in fraudulent charges as all I would need is anyone's card number and expiration date and in some cases CVC and billing address (you'd be surprised how easy it is to secure these) to make my booking. If a consumer disputes a charge with their bank, it is the merchant's responsibility to prove that the charge was valid. In cases where the card was not present when the purchase was made and the purchase was made in a name other than the cardholder or authorized user and the merchant never had possession of the card, the merchant will not only lose because the bank will reverse the charge, they also incur additionally chargeback charges from their CC processor. In other words, Cebu Pacific is protecting their business so they do not lose money and indirectly protecting you too so that others cannot fraudulently use your card. BTW, there are tons of DIA girls in Manila or you can fly to Davao.

[HenryV]

Flown many times on Cebu Pacific and they always reqired I show the credit card I booked with. You may want to contact them.

[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1203256]Many airlines have this rule and it is quite a sound and reasonable rule. You have to read the fine print at the time of booking and it will tell you if the card is required when you check in.

[FreebieFan]

Flown many times on Cebu Pacific and they always reqired I show the credit card I booked with. You may want to contact them.

[QUOTE=Run Mann; 1203256]Many airlines have this rule and it is quite a sound and reasonable rule. You have to read the fine print at the time of booking and it will tell you if the card is required when you check in.I encountered that problem once, and then started paying cash for CP tickets with a travel agent.

As result I've flown (one of) my girls from Cebu on CP several times without any issues. The cc is hard to handle if you are in one place, she's in another and some check in crew is being particularly demanding.

[Soapy Smith]

The only question I have is: do Cebu Pacific have any unreasonable requirements concerning (for example) seeing the booker's credit card at check-in time? Or any other quirks and niggles that might interfere with plans?About six months ago I bought a ticket online with CP for my squeeze to travel Tacloban to Manila. No requirement to show a credit card, but she got a big surprise on luggage. For many of their cheaper tickets CP permits only one small carry-on and no checked baggage. Squeeze had to pay some exorbitant amount for one extra small piece. Fortunately she had some cash with her.

Make sure you check the baggage restrictions for the ticket class you purchased and communicate this clearly to the girl. If they're not frequent fliers they're unlikely to know this stuff.

[Idler31]

Thanks for all your suggestions, gentlemen. I called CP and got an answer which may prove useful for others here.

They will NOT require to see the credit card at check-in, providing that the name on the booking precisely matches the name on my little fuckpig's ID card.

And this is because, when I booked, the web site validated the transaction with Mastercard SecureCode. The CP staffer said that if I hadn't been enrolled in SecureCode (or Verified by Visa) then they would have expected to see the credit card produced, and would accept a photocopy "at the check-in operative's discretion".

So it's all good. Skip Kost. Thanks for the tip about the baggage; I had forgotten to mention this to the young lady, who would doubtless have turned up with armfuls of bags for a three night stay, unless warned otherwise.

[FreebieFan]

About six months ago I bought a ticket online with CP for my squeeze to travel Tacloban to Manila. No requirement to show a credit card, but she got a big surprise on luggage. For many of their cheaper tickets CP permits only one small carry-on and no checked baggage. Squeeze had to pay some exorbitant amount for one extra small piece. Fortunately she had some cash with her.

Make sure you check the baggage restrictions for the ticket class you purchased and communicate this clearly to the girl. If they're not frequent fliers they're unlikely to know this stuff.CP have also changed the rules at Manila airport. For past two years, I go there with a normal size hand carry trolley bag and pc bag. No one ever said anything. On this past trip I check in at Manila for flight to Taipei as usual. I said no baggage as I hadn't booked any. Just before Customs theres a gang of no less than 5 CP workers, surrounded me all jabbering " we must weigh your bag, weigh it now." I politely suggested they stop jabbering and that one not 5 should talk to me, perhaps calmly.

So they produce a domestic kitchen weighing machine and estimate my trolley bag weighs 10kgs. Nothing was said about the pc bag. So I have to go back to the check in counter with one of the jabberers where it took me 30 minutes to pay the excess of P 300. I asked them if it was realy worth all the hassle and the sheer cost of employing the jabberers for this princely sum. That went over their heads of course.

The gal who took my excess told me that they would take my bag at the flight departure gate and put big stickers said bag that said " hold at gate " etc. Presumably they were going to put my bag where they put the childs buggies etc. I merely covered up said stickers with my jacket when in got on the plane and nothing was said.

[Tally Wacker]

my little fuckpig'sThis site sure bring out some winners.

[Idler31]

This site sure bring out some winners.It's an unorthodox pet name, I grant you, but she takes it as a compliment, which is how it is intended. Girls from the country know pigs are valued because they are useful, and she is under no illusions about how her usefulness to me earns her shopping sprees, trips to the big city etc.

Worth pondering subtexts before tossing out the snark, Tally.

[DriveAllNight]

It's an unorthodox pet name, I grant you, but she takes it as a compliment, which is how it is intended. Girls from the country know pigs are valued because they are useful, and she is under no illusions about how her usefulness to me earns her shopping sprees, trips to the big city etc.

Worth pondering subtexts before tossing out the snark, Tally.If you can call her that when you've got her feet behind her ears, I'm in.

[Cunning Stunt]

It's an unorthodox pet name, I grant you, but she takes it as a compliment, which is how it is intended. Girls from the country know pigs are valued because they are useful, and she is under no illusions about how her usefulness to me earns her shopping sprees, trips to the big city etc....and she is maybe thinking, 'he can call me what he fuckin' well likes as long as the money keeps rolling in'!

Maybe her pet name for you when chatting to her friends might also has porcine connections although she probably wouldn't mention it. The pink skin color together with usually much too much belly bacon and disgusting gastronomic and sexual habits often lead Filipinas to make a similar comparison.

[FreebieFan]

. And she is maybe thinking, 'he can call me what he fuckin' well likes as long as the money keeps rolling in'!

Maybe her pet name for you when chatting to her friends might also has porcine connections although she probably wouldn't mention it. The pink skin color together with usually much too much belly bacon and disgusting gastronomic and sexual habits often lead Filipinas to make a similar comparison.Or maybe she adopts the Thai term of endearment used for their expat male friends " Hi ATM. Er I mean honey "

[Undercoverh]

I will be ending a long-term relationship I have with a Filipina (she does not know it yet). For the past 4 weeks, we have been living together. Everything was fine at first, sex all the time, lots of fun. But now, she is acting like a wife. That is, busy with her friends (and I do not want to hang with her silly girlfriends) sex not all the time anymore, making more demands for my money (e. g, she wanted to go back to school and I pay for it- WTF).

It is funny, but women can be so sweet when they want something. And, they will do everything they can to get you to say you love them. Once you say you love them and you start doing for them, they think they got you-they feel comfortable and then they slowly start to change. It was her idea that we live together. And she is not working. Well. 4 weeks is enough for me! Now I am ready to get back to pay for play! No more relationships for me.

Now, I am willing to pay top dollar for the best looking girls in Manila! I have been checking the post here about Pegasus. However, none of the post actaully state what the price is for sex with the girl and how much is the room. Has anybody actually had sex at this place, or is it just a overpriced KTV?

I would be thankful if anyone can simply tell me where is the best places in Manila to get the BEST looking girls for sex and how much will it cost. By best looking, I mean Model quality and good service. I seen a few post that Flight 168 had nice looking girls and I was there last year. However, I did not see any super hot Filipinas. I did not try Air Force One because I was not sure about the set-up. My time was short so I went right to F168.

I just want to bang hot looking young Filipinas in a nice, safe, clean place. I am willing to pay top dollar for top quality hot girls! Thanks in advance for any helpful info!

[Fast Buck Artist]

I was passing by Malate last night and stopped at Manila Bay Cafe to get a takeout, and met a new face who was kind of attractive in a shy way. After some quick chat she agreed to sex for 1500, and I took her to a nearby hourly hotel.

She turned out to be the absolute worst hooker I ever met, and thats quite an achievement cause I met many!

Complained relentlessly for 2 hours. Started off with complaining about walking (2 minutes to my car!) then complained having to walk (50 meters!) from where I parked my car to the hotel. Then in the hotel room complained about the tv. Then she jumps under the bed covers and acts like a 10 year old who got sent to bed early by the dad.

- I want the covers on, I am shy!
- So what are you going to do, just sleep there for an hour?
- Nooo, turn light off!
- I can't see anything in the dark, I am not an owl.
- *blank stare*
- Come and stroke me for a bit.
- you have condum?
- I do, and we'll use it, but start with some foreplay.
- but I don't do blowjob.
- why not?
- too big.
- WHAT is too big, toots? I have an average sized penis.
- I only do korean before, it like my finger.
- It will fit fine trust me on this, you are not the first girl I meet.
- huhu, you put condom on.
- *ok I put condom on resigned to the idea of a covered BJ*
- *she strokes the condomed penis with her hands, still no BJ*
- whats wrong now?
- I don't like taste condom.
- WTF? Why did I put it on then. Ok, spread your legs
- I am shy!
- I'll finger first, here I've got some lubricant gel.
- huhu, no finger it hurts.
- why, do you have an infection?
- it hurt.
- well if my finger hurts, the penis is 4 times thicker, don't you think?
- *blank stare*
- allright, get dressed, I had enough of this.
- you give my tip?
- What tip, you didn't do anything except complain.
- uuuh huhu no teeeep?
- you are in the wrong business, do something different.

Suddently I paused and thought what might be "something different" for an uneducated immature 24year old who has no skills of any kind and a Princess syndrome. I don't know, in the west she would probably get pregnant and live on government welfare handouts, but here in the third world? I can't think of anything, suggestions?

[Sammon]

In Manila now. My regular quezon city fuckbunny is staying with me. At night I get her usual jollibee chicken and rice

And walk to MBC just to see the action. The quality is horrible. You cannot sit still with a beer before some ugly ones park.

And manhandle you insisting you take then ST. They ask for 2000 but I am sure you can get for 1000.

Saw very few passable ones but no real treat. Passable ones who are skinny and passable face are immediately escorted to.

Korean corner upstairs by " mamasans ". Koreans like to have them as company for drinking but did not

See mass exodus with chosen girls.

Girls have become really pushy and I think MBC is going downhill. Also it was not packed by punters when I was there.

Between 9-11 pm.

[Fast Buck Artist]

Girls have become really pushy and I think MBC is going downhill. Also it was not packed by punters when I was there.One more note on MBC. The nice girls seem to heavily favor koreans. I observed a couple of decent looking girls walk in, ignore all the white dudes in the room including me, and park themselves on a table next to a 70year old Kim Jong IL lookalike. From the chats that I had with the girls, they say koreans pay more, and are really quick to do the deed. 10 minutes of poking with a 3 inch pecker and they are finished. Easier job.

[FreebieFan]

One more note on MBC. The nice girls seem to heavily favor koreans. I observed a couple of decent looking girls walk in, ignore all the white dudes in the room including me, and park themselves on a table next to a 70year old Kim Jong IL lookalike. From the chats that I had with the girls, they say koreans pay more, and are really quick to do the deed. 10 minutes of poking with a 3 inch pecker and they are finished. Easier job.Going the way of Thermae in BKK. Where the Japanese rule the roost for the very same reasons. Though quite logically in BKK in May the white man was back in favour in Thermae, maybe due to major shortage of Japanese men post earthquake.

[Member #4152]

In Manila now. My regular quezon city fuckbunny is staying with me. At night I get her usual jollibee chicken and rice

And walk to MBC just to see the action. The quality is horrible. You cannot sit still with a beer before some ugly ones park.

And manhandle you insisting you take then ST. They ask for 2000 but I am sure you can get for 1000.

Saw very few passable ones but no real treat. Passable ones who are skinny and passable face are immediately escorted to.

Korean corner upstairs by " mamasans ". Koreans like to have them as company for drinking but did not

See mass exodus with chosen girls.

Girls have become really pushy and I think MBC is going downhill. Also it was not packed by punters when I was there.

Between 9-11 pm.I was up there last month and the later it gets, the girls get uglier LOL! I scored some hotties during the day and early evening before they could be snatched up! I liked it better during the day because it seems most of the girls are doing it with out their families knowing! I got away with a lot of free action but I felt sorry and I tipped out of courtesy LOL. I remember my first night there. 3 different girls offered themselves to me for free using a friend to relay the message because they thought I was good looking. Next time I go, I'm going to see how much they like me! Push them to their limits LOL.

[Bloomberg]

I was up there last month and the later it gets, the girls get uglier LOL! LOL.Try drinking more, that really helps! Only the morning after can be an unpleasant surprise. Talking from experience? Maybe a little. LOL

[D Cups]

I know this is Manila but in Bangcock they call it 3X3X3. Three inches, three minutes. 3000 baht.


One more note on MBC. The nice girls seem to heavily favor koreans. I observed a couple of decent looking girls walk in, ignore all the white dudes in the room including me, and park themselves on a table next to a 70year old Kim Jong IL lookalike. From the chats that I had with the girls, they say koreans pay more, and are really quick to do the deed. 10 minutes of poking with a 3 inch pecker and they are finished. Easier job.

[X Man]

Why do people trot out this dead horse again and again. D cup, put your measure tape away.


I know this is Manila but in Bangcock they call it 3X3X3. Three inches, three minutes. 3000 baht.

[Azmodeus Fl]

I agree that comparing PI to Thailand is stupid. It's like comparing Asian sex workers to the US. They are so different there is no sense in comparing them. Each place has it's advantages and disadvantages. I myself prefer the Philippines.

[HenryV]

With all due respect, it appears you conducted a very poor interview.

In my mind, half the fun is listing the things you want (usually stuff you would not do to a barn animal) , then listening to the answers.

One time, during the interview process I asked a gal there if she had any kids, she said no. When we got back to the room she dressed off, before she dropped the towel she told me she did have a kid. As a result, I told her to leave, did not trust her. She told me then and there she would do "anything" to stay. Knowing there were many back there to select from, I just had her go. Went back and about two hours later hooked up with a little firecracker.


I was passing by Malate last night and stopped at Manila Bay Cafe to get a takeout, and met a new face who was kind of attractive in a shy way. After some quick chat she agreed to sex for 1500, and I took her to a nearby hourly hotel.

She turned out to be the absolute worst hooker I ever met, and thats quite an achievement cause I met many!

Complained relentlessly for 2 hours. Started off with complaining about walking (2 minutes to my car!) then complained having to walk (50 meters!) from where I parked my car to the hotel. Then in the hotel room complained about the tv. Then she jumps under the bed covers and acts like a 10 year old who got sent to bed early by the dad.

- I want the covers on, I am shy!

- So what are you going to do, just sleep there for an hour?

- Nooo, turn light off!

- I can't see anything in the dark, I am not an owl.

- *blank stare*

- Come and stroke me for a bit.

- you have condum?

- I do, and we'll use it, but start with some foreplay.

- but I don't do blowjob.

- why not?

- too big.

- WHAT is too big, toots? I have an average sized penis.

- I only do korean before, it like my finger.

- It will fit fine trust me on this, you are not the first girl I meet.

- huhu, you put condom on.

- *ok I put condom on resigned to the idea of a covered BJ*

- *she strokes the condomed penis with her hands, still no BJ*

- whats wrong now?

- I don't like taste condom.

- WTF? Why did I put it on then. Ok, spread your legs

- I am shy!

- I'll finger first, here I've got some lubricant gel.

- huhu, no finger it hurts.

- why, do you have an infection?

- it hurt.

- well if my finger hurts, the penis is 4 times thicker, don't you think?

- *blank stare*

- allright, get dressed, I had enough of this.

- you give my tip?

- What tip, you didn't do anything except complain.

- uuuh huhu no teeeep?

- you are in the wrong business, do something different.

Suddently I paused and thought what might be "something different" for an uneducated immature 24year old who has no skills of any kind and a Princess syndrome. I don't know, in the west she would probably get pregnant and live on government welfare handouts, but here in the third world? I can't think of anything, suggestions?

[Korkavado]

Sort of running out of steam, but pushing it, because Manila is worth it.

Well my DIA girl texted another of her neighborhood friends and asked if she wanted to make some money. The girl replied "why you ask? You know I do".

So we set up a meet across from where I am staying, to have some food and just chit chat.

The friend knows that my girlfriend and I have a special relationship, and asked her "are you sure you will be ok with this?" My girl said yeah it's OK, and she is fine with it.

The friend is a total spinner type, I would say 5' with shoes. 25 years old and definitely hot.

She did not seem agressive and did not speak much, except to my girl. Both girls constantly texting of course. Ha ha.

We get back to the condo, and talk for just a little. Then the spinner friend and I go upstairs. The girl has no problem doing what ask when I tell her to remove her clothes. And this is where she becomes agressive. Wow, she told me to lay down and proceeded to give me one incredible BJ. I mean just getting down there between my legs and sucking the balls and just totally getting into it.

I asked her where she learned that? She said her ex BF. So I asked what happened, and she said he cheated. Oh well, good for me. She asks "do you want me on top?" and I said hell yeah. This is where most girls seem to do what makes them feel good. Just take it all in and rock back and forth. Of course I can't blame them. So I tell her you need to slide up and down the dick, and she said "like this?" Oh yeah baby just like that.

She was a total hotty and her ex taught her well, she even went so far as to lick her thumbs then rub my nipples. Nice. It was a good night.

I did see the tall friend again. I realize now that I was expecting more than what was there. And I became impatient, something I try not to do.

This time when I saw her I was more gentle and it turned out well. She is just young 20 years old and no experience.

She is definately a tall hot girl. But kind of reminds me of a Tomboy type you would see when growing up. She is strong and I think she could kick some ass if she needed to.

The amazing thing is here in Manila, they all want to do repeats. (Money Talks).

Recommendation: I went to see the band Farenheit last week at Conways. Great band. Lots of energy. Downside is a tiny shot of vodka is 280p. But worth it if you don't go overboard on your drinking. They will be playing again Saturday, I think I will go again.

Enjoy,

Kork

[Fast Buck Artist]

With all due respect, it appears you conducted a very poor interview.You are right, I was eager to leave the smoky and noisy MBC and rushed through the conversation. I should have figured out at the bar that I stumbled into a newbie who only did a couple of korean customers before and thinks sex means 3 minutes of poking by a 3 incher LOL

[Fast Eddie 48]

Going the way of Thermae in BKK. Where the Japanese rule the roost for the very same reasons. Though quite logically in BKK in May the white man was back in favour in Thermae, maybe due to major shortage of Japanese men post earthquake.To Freebie fan,

I was at Thermae bar in Bangkok last month it is still full of Japanese monger no shortage and the freenlacer is asking for 1500-2000 bht for ST and up to 4000 for all nighter amost as high as the gogo at Nana, the Japanese is still spending like there are no tomorrow, so MBC and ESDA in manila is still a bargin compare to Bangkok and the BHT is strong.

Fast Eddie 48

[Member #4152]

You are right, I was eager to leave the smoky and noisy MBC and rushed through the conversation. I should have figured out at the bar that I stumbled into a newbie who only did a couple of korean customers before and thinks sex means 3 minutes of poking by a 3 incher LOLLOL I guess there's a really big difference from some Asian guys 3 incher and your 4 incher! Maybe she didn't find you attractive? Maybe she thought you were a sucker? Maybe you have no game at all to build any sort of chemistry with a girl? Or perhaps in a world where everything has a price, you couldn't afford it? It's not good to talk negatively about people and stereotype them buddy. Look in a mirror and figure out what's wrong with you before you you except a lame ass excuses from a broke **** that fucks for money now, on why she doesn't want to have sex with you!

=)

[Member #4152]

One more note on MBC. The nice girls seem to heavily favor koreans. I observed a couple of decent looking girls walk in, ignore all the white dudes in the room including me, and park themselves on a table next to a 70year old Kim Jong IL lookalike. From the chats that I had with the girls, they say koreans pay more, and are really quick to do the deed. 10 minutes of poking with a 3 inch pecker and they are finished. Easier job.Dude! They do the samething for old white men as well FYI. Most older men are retired and have money to spend with little to no bills! They're also the ones looking to take care of a girl for a bit and I'm sorry to say this but if they ever get into a serious relationship, they'll benefit from the older guys death! Most older men are also experienced, not as rough and more into a short time rather than a long time. These girls have everything to gain and little to lose by shifting their attention from a younger guy to older men!

I think they know or realized why young guys go to their countries. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most young guys venturing into these countries are cheap, career less, with little to no game or charm. I also think most asian girls think or have a feeling young male non asian customers have probably been sleeping around for a while on the cheap and probably have caught an STD or two.

What do you guys think?

[X Man]

Yeah, I thought so too when I first heard it. I also thought the acronym slang of LBFM or LBFMFOR (. Fed on rice) was funny when I first heard it. That was about 30 years ago, and is just sounds insulting now.

The reality, IMHO, is that dealing with such a chaotic mix of sex and culture and money and age and romance is bound to create. Chaos? Human nature is to create stereotypes. And sometines that is good and sometimes it is unproductive.

I used to have a tatoo phobia. Barfined a gal, and in the room realized she had tatoos and was more experienced (used?) than I had thought. She turned out to be quite a performer and I still rememeber her. Not for the tatoo, but for the performance.

Statistics seem to show that the Asian gear is smaller than the Western gear, but the 333 stereotype is ridiculous. There was one semi hard core working gal in Cebu who told me her best lay was with a Japanese guy. She actually (her story. I can't think of a reason why she would lie) went back to his room and tried to return his money. She wanted more of his lovin. Good pumpin from the 3inch lovin.


Sorry, X. I just thought it was funny.

[Jbiz979]

Dude! They do the samething for old white men as well FYI. Most older men are retired and have money to spend with little to no bills! They're also the ones looking to take care of a girl for a bit and I'm sorry to say this but if they ever get into a serious relationship, they'll benefit from the older guys death! Most older men are also experienced, not as rough and more into a short time rather than a long time. These girls have everything to gain and little to lose by shifting their attention from a younger guy to older men!

I think they know or realized why young guys go to their countries. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most young guys venturing into these countries are cheap, career less, with little to no game or charm. I also think most asian girls think or have a feeling young male non asian customers have probably been sleeping around for a while on the cheap and probably have caught an STD or two.

What do you guys think?I think your perspective is ridiculous. Young guys are charmless with no game compared to a middle to senior aged men that have no idea about today's pop culture that these young women are fascinated about? And what kind of conversations are you having with these women? Are you discussing the financial crisis, world hunger? Please, they know that young men come to their country for the same reason that old men come there for. Now I don't pretend to know the mind of a prostitute but I wouldn't assume your charm is what is required to receive their services or attention. As far as std's are concerned, do a little research and you will learn that std's have been growing in the middle age population and from what I have seen on this forum many of you middle aged guys don't use condoms. As far as sex on cheap goes, yeah it's easy for a young guy to get sex on the cheap. It's called FREE SEX. Why? Because no matter the culture or language one thing is universally considered attractive and that is YOUTH. So get off this young men or career less, with no game or charm crap. Your going over sea's sir to have sex with attractive Young women and it may surprise that women find young men attractive as well. I have never used the services of a pro, now don't get me wrong I'm not against it, there is no moral conundrum for me about the practice but I'm able to get it for free like many gentleman here and I'm able to get young women in the States as well. So I respectfully disagree with you sir.

[Jbiz979]

Dude! They do the samething for old white men as well FYI. Most older men are retired and have money to spend with little to no bills! They're also the ones looking to take care of a girl for a bit and I'm sorry to say this but if they ever get into a serious relationship, they'll benefit from the older guys death! Most older men are also experienced, not as rough and more into a short time rather than a long time. These girls have everything to gain and little to lose by shifting their attention from a younger guy to older men!

I think they know or realized why young guys go to their countries. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most young guys venturing into these countries are cheap, career less, with little to no game or charm. I also think most asian girls think or have a feeling young male non asian customers have probably been sleeping around for a while on the cheap and probably have caught an STD or two.

What do you guys think?I think it's ridiculous. Is it your opinion that middle aged and senior men have more in common with these women then men their age? I don't assume to know the inner thinking or workings of a prostitute but I'm sure your charms are not what their after. Lets be honest most of these senior men aren't getting 19 year olds on their charm or game, I think most would agree it is their wallets. You should definitely read these forums more often, if you want to talk about cheap. Its the senior guys, retired that are complaining about having to pay 3000 pesos in manila and are willing to travel hundreds of miles to angeles city to get it for 1500. Young guys like myself stay in makati area because we want to enjoy the party scene like the Republiq and many other clubs and it may surprise you that we aren't paying them per lay because they actually have a good time with us. Why? We are the same age, we listen to the same music, we are apart of the same pop culture. I'm not saying that older men aren't doing many of the same things, what I am saying is that your 100% wrong about young guys. I'm a young man in my late 20's with a career and yes sir, I have sex with many women my Own Age in the phils as well as the states.

[Chocha Monger]

Dude! They do the samething for old white men as well FYI. Most older men are retired and have money to spend with little to no bills! They're also the ones looking to take care of a girl for a bit and I'm sorry to say this but if they ever get into a serious relationship, they'll benefit from the older guys death! Most older men are also experienced, not as rough and more into a short time rather than a long time. These girls have everything to gain and little to lose by shifting their attention from a younger guy to older men!

I think they know or realized why young guys go to their countries. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that most young guys venturing into these countries are cheap, career less, with little to no game or charm. I also think most asian girls think or have a feeling young male non asian customers have probably been sleeping around for a while on the cheap and probably have caught an STD or two.

What do you guys think?Quite true! It means less poking, less turgidity, lower stamina and potentially hitting the jackpot if the turkey buzzard marries her then kicks the bucket shortly thereafter.

[WestCoast1]

LOL I guess there's a really big difference from some Asian guys 3 incher and your 4 incher! Maybe she didn't find you attractive? Maybe she thought you were a sucker? Maybe you have no game at all to build any sort of chemistry with a girl? Or perhaps in a world where everything has a price, you couldn't afford it? It's not good to talk negatively about people and stereotype them buddy. Look in a mirror and figure out what's wrong with you before you you except a lame ass excuses from a broke * that fucks for money now, on why she doesn't want to have sex with you!

=) What in the world does having "game" or "chemistry" have to do with a bargirl? She'll either have a good time or she won't. But I doubt she will not perform well just because a gent does not impress her, as she knows she won't get paid?

[FreebieFan]

I think it's ridiculous. Is it your opinion that middle aged and senior men have more in common with these women then men their age? I don't assume to know the inner thinking or workings of a prostitute but I'm sure your charms are not what their after. Lets be honest most of these senior men aren't getting 19 year olds on their charm or game, I think most would agree it is their wallets. Young guys like myself stay in makati area because we want to enjoy the party scene like the Republiq and many other clubs and it may surprise you that we aren't paying them per lay because they actually have a good time with us. Why? We are the same age, we listen to the same music, we are apart of the same pop culture. I'm not saying that older men aren't doing many of the same things, what I am saying is that your 100% wrong about young guys. I'm a young man in my late 20's with a career and yes sir, I have sex with many women my Own Age in the phils as well as the states.And I'm a more mature guy in my mid 50's and I have more than I know what to do with. I have a lot more now than when I was in my 40's. And ll of mine are free in case you want to check out one or two of my trip reports. We have this discussion on ISG every 3 months and have had for the past 5 years. Age isn't a relevant criteria for success in the Philippines.

[Fast Buck Artist]

What do you guys think?I think you are trolling and pulling peoples strings for kicks and giggles.

[Red Kilt]

Yeah, I thought so too when I first heard it. I also thought the acronym slang of LBFM or LBFMFOR (. Fed on rice) was funny when I first heard it. That was about 30 years ago, and is just sounds insulting now.I agree X. It is a very demeaning and insulting term.

I think the acronym LBFMFOR is better stated as "fuelled on rice" as it links better with the "machine" concept.

[FreebieFan]

. As far as sex on cheap goes, yeah it's easy for a young guy to get sex on the cheap. It's called FREE SEX. Why? Because no matter the culture or language one thing is universally considered attractive and that is YOUTH. So get off this young men or career less, with no game or charm crap.Firstly I doubt you know much about OPM but if you do then sure you can converse with young Filipinas about their pop culture.

But in case you don't know (and I suspect this prompted the comment) there are armies or young careers less people hanging around most Asian cities. Therefor sure a whole lot in Bangkok and Taiwan doing the English teacher itinerant travel thing hoping to score some locals. There are always young lads who eager for adventure end up selling boiler room financial operations and frequently getting busted in HK and Manila. There are more young blokes doing some religious stuff (look Mum I'm a Muslim) in both KL and Jakarta. Other guys get the title " Financial analyst " and waste my time calling me about Forex offers, generally based in Singapore or HK or Shanghai or sometimes HCM. You seem them in all the pubs across Asia trying to make one beer last the night. Sad young and restless casting envious glances at those with game and maybe a few bucks too.

You may or not be as familiar with Asia as I am but the comment about young guys with no career is really quite spot on. Yes there are good young professionals clearly with steps on the career ladder too.

[Member #4152]

I think your perspective is ridiculous. Young guys are charmless with no game compared to a middle to senior aged men that have no idea about today's pop culture that these young women are fascinated about? And what kind of conversations are you having with these women? Are you discussing the financial crisis, world hunger? Please, they know that young men come to their country for the same reason that old men come there for. Now I don't pretend to know the mind of a prostitute but I wouldn't assume your charm is what is required to receive their services or attention. As far as std's are concerned, do a little research and you will learn that std's have been growing in the middle age population and from what I have seen on this forum many of you middle aged guys don't use condoms. As far as sex on cheap goes, yeah it's easy for a young guy to get sex on the cheap. It's called FREE SEX. Why? Because no matter the culture or language one thing is universally considered attractive and that is YOUTH. So get off this young men or career less, with no game or charm crap. Your going over sea's sir to have sex with attractive Young women and it may surprise that women find young men attractive as well. I have never used the services of a pro, now don't get me wrong I'm not against it, there is no moral conundrum for me about the practice but I'm able to get it for free like many gentleman here and I'm able to get young women in the States as well. So I respectfully disagree with you sir.If you're young, good looking, charming and have game, than why the fuck are you paying your way half way around the world to pay for sex? Seriously dude! If you've got all of that, you can get girls anywhere in the world and not pay them for sex. Do you disagree with this? Shoot, you could even turn the tables on the females and have them pay for sex. So quit being loser and stop trying to argue with me. Trust me, even if you aren't good looking, charm and chemistry can take you a long way! Even if you are fat and ugly! And you think because you're young you're going to get laid for free? STFU and take that bullshit somewhere else! Your arguement is so dumb dude! Just think for a bit! Come on now! You don't think these hoes have a right to refuse surface? I've seen it happen to several people dumb fuck! I'm sure you can get away with fucking girls that look like mutts but when you're fishing for the big fish! Big Fish meaning girls that are actually pretty, it makes a difference! Shoot, I'm sure it makes a difference for even average girls under certain situations. Put yourself in the shoes of some young black male in Tokyo or Seoul, or obese kid in the Philippines.

[Member #4152]

What in the world does having "game" or "chemistry" have to do with a bargirl? She'll either have a good time or she won't. But I doubt she will not perform well just because a gent does not impress her, as she knows she won't get paid?You've never seen a girl go the extra distance because you've hit it off with her? You've never met a hoe that seemed to have her mind else where while she laid their like a doll wishing you hurry up and finish asap? I guess you're the exception friend!

[Hesekiels]

You've never seen a girl go the extra distance because you've hit it off with her? You've never met a hoe that seemed to have her mind else where while she laid their like a doll wishing you hurry up and finish asap? .Oh yes, you are perfectly right! I have also experienced both, maybe with a 50:50 ratio! And you guys? Just curiousity! .

Cheers!

Hesekiels

[Ekspat]

She turned out to be the absolute worst hooker I ever met, and thats quite an achievement cause I met many!Totally different experience here. Took one recently, back to hotel and we had a perfect first round. After an hour of rest I felt thirsty and said to her, I go to 7-11 and buy some beer. I was dressed already and ready to go, this horny LBFM took little bro out of the pants, blew it hard and made me bang her doggie-style in a quickie.

Hehe, me still fully dressed, see attached, and after shooting the load on her back I've got permission to go for beer. Sorry for lousy picture quality, it's a frame out of a underexposed video clip.

One of the hottest nights ever followed.

Cheers!

[Gangles]

I guess that I am bemused by the regular assignment of 3" to korean and japanese cock size. This is ridiculous.

International surveys show that average white Americans is 6. 2", black American is about 6. 9", Asian, including Japanese and Korean is 5. 2".

Average means that some are bigger and some are smaller.

For every white American 7", there is a 5", for every 8", there is a 4". Quite a few white Americans have cock size of 1", or less.

Same for Koreans. For every 4", there is a 6"; for every 3", there is a 7". Some asian guys are hung like horses, just like some Americans.

So get real.

G

[GoodEnough]

I agree X. It is a very demeaning and insulting term.

I think the acronym LBFMFOR is better stated as "fuelled on rice" as it links better with the "machine" concept.When I first heard that phrase, maybe 30 years ago, I was told that it ended in "powered by rice," but I guess there are different versions around. No matter what the acronym actually stands for, I now find it demeaning and utterly without charm or humor. There's no need to dehumanize women because you happen to be paying them for sex.

GE

[RasSpewtin]

There have been many posts of late where we guys are debating our perceptions and stating them as fact. I guess that makes sense to a large extent, because a man's perception is his truth. This is a subjective realm. But in the end, one man's perception of the truth does not invalidate another man's perception of his truth, unless the perception is so absurd as to make it worthy of immediate dismissal. But even the definition of 'absurd' is subjective. And so what I will do is state some of my observations on the topics recently debated here.

I am no longer a young buck, but try to stay in shape and look as young as I can. Last week I was having a coffee at Greenbelt during a first meeting of a board member here who proved to be a super guy. The flow of our conversation was occasionally interrupted when we spotted a beautiful Filipina walking by. And there were more than a few. One of the most gorgeous Filipinas that I spotted seemed to be from the upper echelons of society as judging from her dress and mannerisms. She was in her mid-20's, and the Caucasian guy with her was within her age group and evidently handsome. Perhaps similar examples exist with such a lady and a much older gent, and in that case I imagine that it would not hurt to be wealthy. Same goes for the young handsome guy that I saw with this Super-babe. I imagine that her interest may not hold for very long if his bank account cannot sustain her interest. But it could still be good while it lasted.

Looking at the demographics of Filipinas, it is safe to say that most of them do not have the privilege of coming from the upper-middle class, as those are few and far between. These are often the girls that have been manipulated, dumped, or often knocked up and then dumped by Filipino guys with a nice smile and no worries or commitments. It is easily conceivable that these girls equate this irresponsibility with immaturity, and thus they then turn around and seek an older and more responsible man. I fall into this category, except that my longer term girlfreinds have not yet had kids.

Now to the topic of our charm and respect, and the role that these qualities play in the enhancement of our experiences with Filipinas. I have learned that it is of first and foremost importance to treat the girls with respect, as we would do in our home countries if we wanted to get lucky. If we are talking about a bargirl encounter, then the discussion may include questions about her sexual likes and dislikes and whether or not she has her period. But this can be done with respect. But the number one rule for me is to be able to make her laugh, make her smile, and make her interested in me as a guy that she would want to spend time with. This approach worked well with 'freebies' that I met in China, Hong Kong, and the Philippines. There is no question in my mind that if a girl is allured by your charm and sense of humor, then she will be more GFE later on in bed. Not necessarily more kinky or PSE, but more GFE for sure.

Aw hell, over and out;

Raz

[Jbiz979]

If you're young, good looking, charming and have game, than why the fuck are you paying your way half way around the world to pay for sex? Seriously dude! If you've got all of that, you can get girls anywhere in the world and not pay them for sex. Do you disagree with this? Shoot, you could even turn the tables on the females and have them pay for sex. So quit being loser and stop trying to argue with me. Trust me, even if you aren't good looking, charm and chemistry can take you a long way! Even if you are fat and ugly! And you think because you're young you're going to get laid for free? STFU and take that bullshit somewhere else! Your arguement is so dumb dude! Just think for a bit! Come on now! You don't think these hoes have a right to refuse surface? I've seen it happen to several people dumb fuck! I'm sure you can get away with fucking girls that look like mutts but when you're fishing for the big fish! Big Fish meaning girls that are actually pretty, it makes a difference! Shoot, I'm sure it makes a difference for even average girls under certain situations. Put yourself in the shoes of some young black male in Tokyo or Seoul, or obese kid in the Philippines.It's beyond obvious to me that your not the best reader, so let me explain again. I told you before I don't or have not use the services of a Pro, meaning I have not paid for sex, now to those who do that's fine and I'm not against it, it's perfectly ok with me. I fly across the world sir because I can, I'm adventurous and I afford it. It's obvious to me that your not the most intelligent human being so I won't continue this argument but I will respond to a few statements you made. There are plenty of unattractive married people that get sex all the time so to assume that only unattractive people pay for sex is silly. I live in California I have buddy that was a stock brocker made tons of money 28 years old 6'2 very good looking guy and he paid for sex All the time. Why? Because he could, he's a rich fuck that's what he does. No, I don't think I'm getting laid for free because I'm young the point your missing is that because I'm young I'm in contact with people my Age which means I lay women in their 20's not their 40's. And far as Black guys in Tokyo or Seoul is concern I have no clue about that but if you look around black guys tend to do ok when it comes to interracial dating. I have never seen any other group date out of their race more than black men. Seal is married to Heidi Klum and he is no looker and she isn't some poor white trash, a friend of mine black guy was in the Army when he met his Japanese wife. Still married 3 kids. As far as traveling is concerned I have family in Uk I have been there and other parts of Europe only been to the Philippines once. Check out my other posts before you make assumptions sir because your only making an ass out of yourself, I have plenty of pix of me and filipinas that are NOT Prositutes, I know reading isn't your strong suit so check out my pix, sorry no pop ups.

[Screaming Beaver]

I'd agree with everything you say Raz however it's still interesting that these LBFM hotties tend to dumb their gezzer hubbies as soon as they make it to the promised land, usually within hours of getting their green card. I would suggest they are great actresses.

[HenryV]

The staff there also seems to know who butters their bread.

One guy kept badgering me about another drink, got pissed told him where he could go and started to walk out. The guy freaked on me and, before you know it, there are about four waiters coming up the steps after me. Luckily, my nephew, who is built like a brick wall from weight lifting was with me. It was like the two muskateers working their way up the steps.

In the end, I recognized it was totally my fault, just should have kept my mouth shut and left.


To Freebie fan,

I was at Thermae bar in Bangkok last month it is still full of Japanese monger no shortage and the freenlacer is asking for 1500-2000 bht for ST and up to 4000 for all nighter amost as high as the gogo at Nana, the Japanese is still spending like there are no tomorrow, so MBC and ESDA in manila is still a bargin compare to Bangkok and the BHT is strong.

Fast Eddie 48

[HenryV]

As a general rule I agree, youth must be served. I will mention again that when I visited Cambodia there was a preferance for younger guys, no question.

However, in Thailand my age, many times, worked for me. Gals actually approached me because I was older. Their complaint about young guys was generally: too much wear / tear on their snapper, less generous, and less manerly.

In my experience, age is also somewhat of an advantage in the Philippines.


I think your perspective is ridiculous. Young guys are charmless with no game compared to a middle to senior aged men that have no idea about today's pop culture that these young women are fascinated about? And what kind of conversations are you having with these women? Are you discussing the financial crisis, world hunger? Please, they know that young men come to their country for the same reason that old men come there for. Now I don't pretend to know the mind of a prostitute but I wouldn't assume your charm is what is required to receive their services or attention. As far as std's are concerned, do a little research and you will learn that std's have been growing in the middle age population and from what I have seen on this forum many of you middle aged guys don't use condoms. As far as sex on cheap goes, yeah it's easy for a young guy to get sex on the cheap. It's called FREE SEX. Why? Because no matter the culture or language one thing is universally considered attractive and that is YOUTH. So get off this young men or career less, with no game or charm crap. Your going over sea's sir to have sex with attractive Young women and it may surprise that women find young men attractive as well. I have never used the services of a pro, now don't get me wrong I'm not against it, there is no moral conundrum for me about the practice but I'm able to get it for free like many gentleman here and I'm able to get young women in the States as well. So I respectfully disagree with you sir.

[Jbiz979]

As a general rule I agree, youth must be served. I will mention again that when I visited Cambodia there was a preferance for younger guys, no question.

However, in Thailand my age, many times, worked for me. Gals actually approached me because I was older. Their complaint about young guys was generally: too much wear / tear on their snapper, less generous, and less manerly.

In my experience, age is also somewhat of an advantage in the Philippines.You make a valid and intelligent point Henry. Most would not argue that usually with age comes a level of maturity and I'm certainly not arguing that older men aren't successful in getting sex from young women, in many aspects their are obvious advantages, like more disposable income, appreciation and the belief or myth that older men are faithful and want to settle.

[Slippery]

What did Henry Kissinger say about power?

[Jbiz979]

What did Henry Kissinger say about power?Hahaha. Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac my friend.

[Jbiz979]

Firstly I doubt you know much about OPM but if you do then sure you can converse with young Filipinas about their pop culture.

But in case you don't know (and I suspect this prompted the comment) there are armies or young careers less people hanging around most Asian cities. Therefor sure a whole lot in Bangkok and Taiwan doing the English teacher itinerant travel thing hoping to score some locals. There are always young lads who eager for adventure end up selling boiler room financial operations and frequently getting busted in HK and Manila. There are more young blokes doing some religious stuff (look Mum I'm a Muslim) in both KL and Jakarta. Other guys get the title " Financial analyst " and waste my time calling me about Forex offers, generally based in Singapore or HK or Shanghai or sometimes HCM. You seem them in all the pubs across Asia trying to make one beer last the night. Sad young and restless casting envious glances at those with game and maybe a few bucks too.

You may or not be as familiar with Asia as I am but the comment about young guys with no career is really quite spot on. Yes there are good young professionals clearly with steps on the career ladder too.I was speaking specificly about America or Western pop culture that has a heavy influence in the Philippines. The girls I met new usher, beyonce and lady gaga songs better than the average American and they are quite fond of singing there. Yes I have no idea what OPM is I'm assuming its an acronym for something? As far as a lot of young guys hanging around career less I can believe this, most Young guys are still in college at 18 and early 20's. And I'm not disagreeing that their are some guys that are exactly how you describe them but chimm31 made a broad assumption.

[Mc Don]

One of the senior members here (I think it was freebee fan but I don't remember anymore) on few ocations wrote few nice things about Alabang which prompted my curiocity. I wanted to explore last few times but never got around to it. Anyway I ended up doing it this time around although it was a half assed atempt double date with my wingman, however for what its worth here is the report.

We went to the Vivere Suites rooftop restourant with my date. The place is awesome for any romantics outthere this is a great restourant with views to southern manila and the lake. Place is fairly cheap but the will hit you with the 12% tax and 10% service fee crap on the end. Meals with few drinks for 4 people. Total damage around 3000peso. The hotel also has a spa and looks good.

After dinner we went for a stroll around the area up to the THe Believe Manila. 1 km down. Area is walkable and resembles Makati. Looking at people you can see that this is upscale area with more uperclass people walking around. We went to one of the malls (not ayala, the other) and we did get few looks but we were with girls so god only knows if those were curiosity looks or there was more to it.

Taxi up and down is around 500peso each way from Makati. Take the skyway its much quicker, tolls are 40 peso more expensive.

If anyone has any experiance in the area, knows pick up clubs / bars there please let me know. Also is there normal night life as it seems all the entertainment is centered around the bars in the shopping centres. I am here few more days so maybe I will do one more trip that way.

[Mc Don]

Can anyone recomend good resort / hotel on Laguna De Bay. I would like to take a day trip with a gf, I am getting sick of makati.

[WestCoast1]

You've never seen a girl go the extra distance because you've hit it off with her? You've never met a hoe that seemed to have her mind else where while she laid their like a doll wishing you hurry up and finish asap? I guess you're the exception friend!I have, but its been a while. I tell them up front what's expected. Girls who under-perform (starfish) get turned loose early, without pay, and don't get to repeat. I make no attempt to hit anything off. I'm a nice person around most everyone, maybe that is 'game' enough, but I make no attempt to make her feel good about me. She's going to get her ass stretched, swallow some jiz, get photographed sucking my the*ng, bring a friend along for same, and walk away happy down del Pilar with the 1000 in her hands 2 hours later. How do you know if she's really happy? She will stick around, ask to repeat, or offer her friends.

[RasSpewtin]

I'd agree with everything you say Raz however it's still interesting that these LBFM hotties tend to dumb their gezzer hubbies as soon as they make it to the promised land, usually within hours of getting their green card. I would suggest they are great actresses.SB, I would suggest that they are not necessarily acting when they give the older guy GFE. When you take her out of the Philippines and bring her to your country, she will perceive this as her grand entry into the promised land and it is inevitable that she will change in some way. The solution is simple. Don't bring her to your country. Enjoy your time with her while in the Phils. Enjoy the simple life with her within the confines of her own country.

Raz

[FreebieFan]

I was speaking specificly about America or Western pop culture that has a heavy influence in the Philippines. The girls I met new usher, beyonce and lady gaga songs better than the average American and they are quite fond of singing there. Yes I have no idea what OPM is I'm assuming its an acronym for something? As far as a lot of young guys hanging around career less I can believe this, most Young guys are still in college at 18 and early 20's. And I'm not disagreeing that their are some guys that are exactly how you describe them but chimm31 made a broad assumption.OPM is Original Philippino Music. Music stores in Philippines have a whole section for this and many young ladies in Phils know the singers there, lke Nina, Ogie, etc much better than the Kanyes, BEPs. 50 cent etc.

[Red Kilt]

I think some posters are seeing this whole "age of mongers" factor as too simplistic when discussing attractability to girls (apart from Razspewtin who understands the complexity).

We are not just talking about old mongers versus young mongers. We are talking about all the variables of age, appearance, cleanliness, personality, wealth, job, race and probably a few more).

You can do all the permutations and combinations so no need for me to spell out every one of them but I am sure that an older monger who looks clean, well-dressed, is polite and presents himself well will always do better than a brash, young, sloppy-dressed monger who is showy.

On the other hand, my understanding of evolution and genetics leads me to suspect that a young monger with looks, game, well-dressed, polite and having cash will usually (bu not always) be more attractive to a young woman than will an older monger with all the same attributes.

There are lots of variables at play here, including who speaks to her first.

It's all a game. Just make sure you know all the rules and strategies of the game so that you can maximize your chances of winning the "prize".

[Apeman 28]

SB, I would suggest that they are not necessarily acting when they give the older guy GFE. When you take her out of the Philippines and bring her to your country, she will perceive this as her grand entry into the promised land and it is inevitable that she will change in some way. The solution is simple. Don't bring her to your country. Enjoy your time with her while in the Phils. Enjoy the simple life with her within the confines of her own country.

RazYep, agree 100%. A couple of my mates got burn't taking them back home, they only won't to go OS, thus will sweeten you up big time and spit you out when the time arises.

[Member #4152]

I have, but its been a while. I tell them up front what's expected. Girls who under-perform (starfish) get turned loose early, without pay, and don't get to repeat. I make no attempt to hit anything off. I'm a nice person around most everyone, maybe that is 'game' enough, but I make no attempt to make her feel good about me. She's going to get her ass stretched, swallow some jiz, get photographed sucking my the*ng, bring a friend along for same, and walk away happy down del Pilar with the 1000 in her hands 2 hours later. How do you know if she's really happy? She will stick around, ask to repeat, or offer her friends.You can just tell when she's feeling you, no? By you being nice, that's part of your game. That'll make her feel comfortable, open up, etc. I'm sure you ask a few questions to get to know her, eh? I'm sure you're doing fine since you've been in the game for awhile. Well, if you truly don't think you have any game and you can't build some chemistry with these girls, than that's on you. I'm sure you do though, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

[Member #4152]

It's beyond obvious to me that your not the best reader, so let me explain again. I told you before I don't or have not use the services of a Pro, meaning I have not paid for sex, now to those who do that's fine and I'm not against it, it's perfectly ok with me. I fly across the world sir because I can, I'm adventurous and I afford it. It's obvious to me that your not the most intelligent human being so I won't continue this argument but I will respond to a few statements you made. There are plenty of unattractive married people that get sex all the time so to assume that only unattractive people pay for sex is silly. I live in California I have buddy that was a stock brocker made tons of money 28 years old 6'2 very good looking guy and he paid for sex All the time. Why? Because he could, he's a rich fuck that's what he does. No, I don't think I'm getting laid for free because I'm young the point your missing is that because I'm young I'm in contact with people my Age which means I lay women in their 20's not their 40's. And far as Black guys in Tokyo or Seoul is concern I have no clue about that but if you look around black guys tend to do ok when it comes to interracial dating. I have never seen any other group date out of their race more than black men. Seal is married to Heidi Klum and he is no looker and she isn't some poor white trash, a friend of mine black guy was in the Army when he met his Japanese wife. Still married 3 kids. As far as traveling is concerned I have family in Uk I have been there and other parts of Europe only been to the Philippines once. Check out my other posts before you make assumptions sir because your only making an ass out of yourself, I have plenty of pix of me and filipinas that are NOT Prositutes, I know reading isn't your strong suit so check out my pix, sorry no pop ups.Boy are you dumb. What part of Cali did you grow up in? Stockton? Try and reread our entire conversation. You back yourself with useless facts that don't relate to life in mongering in Asia. How does Seal and Heidi make an impact in relationships in Asia? Because they see Heidi with a black man, you think that's going to change their way of thinking? And why the fuck are you bringing up you and your non prositutes? What point are you trying to make? I'm over this conversaion. Why are we even having this conversation if you've never even been with any of the girls we're talking about? Why are you even on this website if you don't monger? BTW, you spelled Broker wrong. I know I can read that bro!

[D Cups]

Sitti Navarro is a hot Filipina singer of OPM and bossa nova. Love her stuff. There is also a singer simply named AngeLa who does a great job on American covers and OPM. Highly recommend.


OPM is Original Philippino Music. Music stores in Philippines have a whole section for this and many young ladies in Phils know the singers there, lke Nina, Ogie, etc much better than the Kanyes, BEPs. 50 cent etc.

[D Cups]

Thanks Red Kilt,

Good summary. I lived in AC when I was in my 20s (stationed at Clark) and got laid all the time by gorgeous non-pros while hitting the pro scene once in awhile. Even dated a Playboy bunny at the Club in Manila before it closed. Of course I was 30 pounds lighter then, an officer and occasional gentleman; and drove a 280ZX which helped.

Now in my 50s still good looking for an old goat I will do the pro scene more, or at least semi-pro, with a few gorgeous non-pros, too, so it has reversed. Nevertheless, I am getting laid more now than I ever did in my 20s. I love the Philippines. Despite all its problems it is way better than California or any other place I know of. Lumpia, San Migs, great music, English-speaking cheap pussy all night long, affordable housing, etc. I can't wait to retire there in 10 or less!

[ManonsanBoy]

The US ambassador to the Philippines, Harry Thomas, has apologised for saying that 40% of male tourists visit the country for sex.

His remark during a conference last month led to a local outcry, with officials unhappy at their country being portrayed as a sex haven.

The US embassy confirmed Mr Thomas had now expressed regret for his comments.

In a text message to a Philippine minister, he said he should not have used the statistic without proof.

Washington has been asking Manila to do more to prosecute foreigners. Including Americans. Accused of involvement in child prostitution and [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908).

The Philippine government has been trying to revitalise the country's tourism industry, which for years has lagged behind those of other Asian

[Red Kilt]

The US ambassador to the Philippines, Harry Thomas, has apologised for saying that 40% of male tourists visit the country for sex.

His remark during a conference last month led to a local outcry, with officials unhappy at their country being portrayed as a sex haven.

The US embassy confirmed Mr Thomas had now expressed regret for his comments.

In a text message to a Philippine minister, he said he should not have used the statistic without proof. SNIP. .You are about 2 days behind the news Manonsan but thanks anyway for the update.

As I predicted in Post # 5127 in the General Information thread yesterday, the focus is now squarely on the issue of Sex Tourism in the Philippines.

The Al Jazeera network has weighed in now with a full-blown discussion on the issue on its "Inside Story" segment. I saw it today on the ANC news channel here and found the link on the Al Jazeera webpage for the full discussion.

http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insidestory/2011/10/201110992858495767.html