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Gangles
11-26-11, 15:10
Like the other guys, thanks Levdog for a very refreshing post. I am looking for this kind of situation and environment myself.

Can you tell me where you picked up the two girls? Were they SW, or in the mall, or in the hotels?

Gangles


Thanks Mc Don, I have enjoyed reading your many detailed field reports. To answer BKK's question, it is about 250 pesos cab ride from Malate to Monumento. However there is a newer hotel on the other side of the short term hotels called Kabayan. They have a single pad room with a promo price of 865 P, but charge an extra 500 P for a guest and they strictly enforce that policy. The bed is quite small or you get a standard room with the promo price of 1860 P and there is no charge for visitors. Breakfast is included for both.

One of the girls I took out did not want to go to my hotel, she did not feel comfortable leaving her short term hotel routine. Like I said in my previous post, there are no foreigners there and she was slightly nervous so I forked out the additional money and took her to her normal short term hotel. The other girl had no problem coming to my hotel which is only a 3 minute walk.

Macho Dik
11-27-11, 00:42
Dear West Coast, Mc Don and all super provider of this forum,

As I initially thought that I will only have few nights stay in Manila but now, I find out that I will be having much time to spend in The Phillipines due to some travel documents, so I think there will be more enough time for me to mongers in this country.

I have go over with Manila and Angeles City forum (no time to go beyond these 2 places) , so will our super commentators in this forum provide some good advises of the following:

1) Considering to have a week or 9 nights stay in the Philippines, how should I plan my mongering schedules, of coarse the first 2 to 3 days I guess has to be in Manila.

2) In Manila, I plan to stay in Las Palmas hotel or at worst, Eurotel. I plan to pick up at MBC, hussies, and hope to try the gogo bar (not Edsa entertaiment plaza) but other bar within vicinity of my hotel. How much is the on going rate? Barfine and girls money for LT and ST.

3) In Angeles city, I still don't. Have any idea on:

A) how to reached there? By Bus? Where or which bus station I have to take the ride, how much is the fare?

B) which is a good hotel, not high end nor low end but a good one, clean, safe, and have to be within walking distance to the mongers places.

C) which bars is the best for girls and at what price standard should I pay? I have read that carousel, angel witch etc with barfine 1800pesos, is this only barfine or also including the girl fees? In Bangkok, they barfine in Nana ent. Plaza charge 600bhat as barfine only, and girls will be depend on your negotiation sometimes LT 1500, or 2000 or even up to 4000 bhat. So I don't. Know how is the game in the Philippines?

last but not the least, colleage girls partimer pick up in Manila. any good info on this.

I really have go over to the forum but still a bit confusing, like for examples in AC, I never been there, so I can not pictures how is the place and market prices.

so, will much appreciarted for your kind advises.

cheers,


MD

Fast Eddie 48
11-27-11, 01:07
Dear West Coast, Mc Don and all super provider of this forum,

As I initially thought that I will only have few nights stay in Manila but now, I find out that I will be having much time to spend in The Phillipines due to some travel documents, so I think there will be more enough time for me to mongers in this country.

I have go over with Manila and Angeles City forum (no time to go beyond these 2 places) , so will our super commentators in this forum provide some good advises of the following:

1) Considering to have a week or 9 nights stay in the Philippines, how should I plan my mongering schedules, of coarse the first 2 to 3 days I guess has to be in Manila.

2) In Manila, I plan to stay in Las Palmas hotel or at worst, Eurotel. I plan to pick up at MBC, hussies, and hope to try the gogo bar (not Edsa entertaiment plaza) but other bar within vicinity of my hotel. How much is the on going rate? Barfine and girls money for LT and ST.

3) In Angeles city, I still don't. Have any idea on:

A) how to reached there? By Bus? Where or which bus station I have to take the ride, how much is the fare?

B) which is a good hotel, not high end nor low end but a good one, clean, safe, and have to be within walking distance to the mongers places.

C) which bars is the best for girls and at what price standard should I pay? I have read that carousel, angel witch etc with barfine 1800pesos, is this only barfine or also including the girl fees? In Bangkok, they barfine in Nana ent. Plaza charge 600bhat as barfine only, and girls will be depend on your negotiation sometimes LT 1500, or 2000 or even up to 4000 bhat. So I don't. Know how is the game in the Philippines?

Last but not the least, colleage girls partimer pick up in Manila. Any good info on this.

I really have go over to the forum but still a bit confusing, like for examples in AC, I never been there, so I can not pictures how is the place and market prices.

So, will much appreciarted for your kind advises.

Cheers,

MDTo MD.

This subject have been talk about many time here both city are very different, everyone got different taste I think you should first stay in manila for 2 night and head to AC and give it a try, AC is not for everyone is a shit hole but girl is much cheaper than Manila but Quality is much better in Manila but more expensive, there are much more option and thing to do in Manila and you should your own judge of that.

Fast Eddie 48

WestCoast1
11-27-11, 04:23
Dear West Coast, Mc Don and all super provider of this forum,Heavy on the "super provider" part.


2) In Manila, I plan to stay in Las Palmas hotel or at worst, Eurotel. I plan to pick up at MBC, hussies, and hope to try the gogo bar (not Edsa entertaiment plaza) but other bar within vicinity of my hotel. How much is the on going rate? Barfine and girls money for LT and ST.

3) In Angeles city, I still don't. Have any idea on:

A) how to reached there? By Bus? Where or which bus station I have to take the ride, how much is the fare?

B) which is a good hotel, not high end nor low end but a good one, clean, safe, and have to be within walking distance to the mongers places.

C) which bars is the best for girls and at what price standard should I pay? I have read that carousel, angel witch etc with barfine 1800pesos, is this only barfine or also including the girl fees? In Bangkok, they barfine in Nana ent. Plaza charge 600bhat as barfine only, and girls will be depend on your negotiation sometimes LT 1500, or 2000 or even up to 4000 bhat. So I don't. Know how is the game in the Philippines?

Last but not the least, colleage girls partimer pick up in Manila. Any good info on this. More questions than I can shake a stick at.


I really have go over to the forum

MDYes, do that. On the board we often talk about:

* Hotels in Malate (like Euro and Las Palmas and Duck Inn and City Garden)

* Barfine rates at EDSA, MBC, G-Point, and the places like Hussies on Pilar and the others on Mabini.

* Travel to / from AC. Private hotel taxi? Or Fly-the-Bus.

* AC hotels (there is an entire AC thread to read thru for this: get busy) ; low, medium, and high-end.

* AC bars and barfine rates (Santos ST prices, Fields prices, Perimeter prices, and high-end places like Atlantis or Blue Nile. Start reading the AC thread)

* College girl pickups, see mall pickups Robinson's Place Malate or Harrison's Plaza. So a search on the Manila thread.

Red Kilt
11-27-11, 06:19
More questions than I can shake a stick at.

Yes, do that. On the board we often talk about:

* Hotels in Malate (like Euro and Las Palmas and Duck Inn and City Garden)

* Barfine rates at EDSA, MBC, G-Point, and the places like Hussies on Pilar and the others on Mabini.

* Travel to / from AC. Private hotel taxi? Or Fly-the-Bus.

* AC hotels (there is an entire AC thread to read thru for this: get busy) ; low, medium, and high-end.

* AC bars and barfine rates (Santos ST prices, Fields prices, Perimeter prices, and high-end places like Atlantis or Blue Nile. Start reading the AC thread)

* College girl pickups, see mall pickups Robinson's Place Malate or Harrison's Plaza. So a search on the Manila thread.Good reply WC to Macho Dik's posts. Everything he asks is very simply explained on every thread.

I am happy to answer a simple direct question but these shotgun questions that aim to hit everything at once are not sensible.

Macho Dik
11-27-11, 07:32
Heavy on the "super provider" part.

More questions than I can shake a stick at.

Yes, do that. On the board we often talk about:

* Hotels in Malate (like Euro and Las Palmas and Duck Inn and City Garden)

* Barfine rates at EDSA, MBC, G-Point, and the places like Hussies on Pilar and the others on Mabini.

* Travel to / from AC. Private hotel taxi? Or Fly-the-Bus.

* AC hotels (there is an entire AC thread to read thru for this: get busy) ; low, medium, and high-end.

* AC bars and barfine rates (Santos ST prices, Fields prices, Perimeter prices, and high-end places like Atlantis or Blue Nile. Start reading the AC thread)

* College girl pickups, see mall pickups Robinson's Place Malate or Harrison's Plaza. So a search on the Manila thread.Thanks Anyway, that is fine!

Macho Dik
11-27-11, 07:40
Good reply WC to Macho Dik's posts. Everything he asks is very simply explained on every thread.

I am happy to answer a simple direct question but these shotgun questions that aim to hit everything at once are not sensible.Thanks anyway, hope you will be treated the same thing too!

Macho Dik
11-27-11, 07:50
To MD.

This subject have been talk about many time here both city are very different, everyone got different taste I think you should first stay in manila for 2 night and head to AC and give it a try, AC is not for everyone is a shit hole but girl is much cheaper than Manila but Quality is much better in Manila but more expensive, there are much more option and thing to do in Manila and you should your own judge of that.

Fast Eddie 48Hi Fast Eddie 48,

You are such a very terrific and helpful guy. We have some sort of discussion way back many years ago.

As this trip of mine to the Philippines is not a schedule or planned one, in fact it is a spot and sudden trip and that is why I try to seek help due to limited time, just simple help that sometimes along the way, each and everyone of us may be encountered as well from time to time. And guys like you are very very informative and helpfull. I think people like you who willing to help and will provide some details is some one worth to be respected here. Unlike others who in this forum that don't want to help yet giving some kind of harsh words. Those for me are nothing but simply a big asshole and shit eaters!

Thanks again and I will take your advise, I think, I will concentrate my mongering time in MNL.

Cheers,

MD

Red Kilt
11-27-11, 10:44
Thanks anyway, hope you will be treated the same thing too!I have no idea what you mean Dik because I usually try to help those who help themselves and THEN ask questions for clarification. You can look back at my generally constructive history of posts to see that I don't usually criticize posts like yours until they reach a tipping point.

If you spent some of the time reading TFF instead of compiling useless posts full of naive questions then you would not keep saying that you don't have time to find out the information that is STARING you in the face.

X Man
11-27-11, 13:49
The poster in question has already identified himself as dik, which may be some secret code or something. Or maybe a Freudian slip?

My own observation is that when I answer newbie questions and suggest they return the favor, it rarely happens. It's more likely that a newcomer reads the post, and you don't hear anything until they return from the trip and then realize how much the info did good. Then they post some great stuff.

On the positive side, the poster replied to RK in thickly veiled sarcasm. Rather than some rant. He may be redeemable. Let's hope so. I'm holding my breath.


I have no idea what you mean Dik because I usually try to help those who help themselves and THEN ask questions for clarification. You can look back at my generally constructive history of posts to see that I don't usually criticize posts like yours until they reach a tipping point.

If you spent some of the time reading TFF instead of compiling useless posts full of naive questions then you would not keep saying that you don't have time to find out the information that is STARING you in the face.

Sammon
11-27-11, 14:50
Dear West Coast, Mc Don and all super provider of this forum,

As I initially thought that I will only have few nights stay in Manila but now, I find out that I will be having much time to spend in The Phillipines due to some travel documents, so I think there will be more enough time for me to mongers in this country.

I have go over with Manila and Angeles City forum (no time to go beyond these 2 places) , so will our super commentators in this forum provide some good advises of the following:

1) Considering to have a week or 9 nights stay in the Philippines, how should I plan my mongering schedules, of coarse the first 2 to 3 days I guess has to be in Manila.

2) In Manila, I plan to stay in Las Palmas hotel or at worst, Eurotel. I plan to pick up at MBC, hussies, and hope to try the gogo bar (not Edsa entertaiment plaza) but other bar within vicinity of my hotel. How much is the on going rate? Barfine and girls money for LT and ST.

3) In Angeles city, I still don't. Have any idea on:

A) how to reached there? By Bus? Where or which bus station I have to take the ride, how much is the fare?

B) which is a good hotel, not high end nor low end but a good one, clean, safe, and have to be within walking distance to the mongers places.

C) which bars is the best for girls and at what price standard should I pay? I have read that carousel, angel witch etc with barfine 1800pesos, is this only barfine or also including the girl fees? In Bangkok, they barfine in Nana ent. Plaza charge 600bhat as barfine only, and girls will be depend on your negotiation sometimes LT 1500, or 2000 or even up to 4000 bhat. So I don't. Know how is the game in the Philippines?

Last but not the least, colleage girls partimer pick up in Manila. Any good info on this.

I really have go over to the forum but still a bit confusing, like for examples in AC, I never been there, so I can not pictures how is the place and market prices.

So, will much appreciarted for your kind advises.

Cheers,

MD1, 2.3 and A, B, C read the FF

WestCoast1
11-27-11, 17:08
1, 2.3 and A, B, C read the FF
I have no idea what you mean Dik because I usually try to help those who help themselves and THEN ask questions for clarification. You can look back at my generally constructive history of posts to see that I don't usually criticize posts like yours until they reach a tipping point.

If you spent some of the time reading TFF instead of compiling useless posts full of naive questions then you would not keep saying that you don't have time to find out the information that is STARING you in the face.And finally did it. I sent him a PM with most of the info he was looking for. I also chastised him for asking multiple questions without making quality reports first. He's in the "Just doesn't get it" category.

IM Punter
11-28-11, 01:27
1. Go to MBC in Malate one afternoon and ST your cutie. Go back a few hours later and LT another.

We expect a field report.Thanks all, for the suggestions.

So Malate is my first stop. I seem to be reading a lot in the forum about Hussy's. Might check that out before MBC. Still have to decide on where to stay. Thats next.

Great forum, mongers. I'm doing my homework, RTFF is well worth spending time on. As a newcomer, I am sure I'll need the guidance of the wise ones from time to time, but I'll try not to present laundry lists of questions.

X Man
11-28-11, 12:00
Although West provides a wealth of info, I do think he has made a small mistake. The bars he mentions are all in ERMITA. The difference is only a few blocks, but if you ask a taxi driver to take you to Malate, you'll be quite a way from the places West has suggested.

One of the first things you should buy in Manila should be one of those EZ maps that are sold at some convenience stores, some hotels, and of course the wonderful bookstore which is called. National? For some reason I hit a brain bump on the name of the bookstore. Why is it called national? X.


Thanks all, for the suggestions.

So Malate is my first stop. I seem to be reading a lot in the forum about Hussy's. Might check that out before MBC. Still have to decide on where to stay. Thats next.

Great forum, mongers. I'm doing my homework, RTFF is well worth spending time on. As a newcomer, I am sure I'll need the guidance of the wise ones from time to time, but I'll try not to present laundry lists of questions.

Macho Dik
11-28-11, 14:01
Dear All,

I think, it is invaluable to go to any word war here. In case if some people feel my asking help is in appropriate then I apologies on this wrong action. I really don't. Intend to further elaborate on this part, as I think it is rather using up some one time in reading this nonsense feed back for my nonsense questions.

I am herewith would like to thank, Westcoast 1 that inspite of his criticism on my wrong approached, he has pm me with some very useful informations. Also thanks to Mc Don for also pm me some good advises and at the same time have written me about my mistakes in my approached. And defintely would like to thank Fast Eddie 48 that instead of critizie me, he give some valuables info too.

Eventhough that westcoast have give his direct criticism but I can feel that this guy has also at the same time help me out and Mc don that did not comment in public about my wrong action but he has cautioned me by pm me. This are a very respective person, not because he provide me info I need but he respect me as a person and using a different way not to embarassed me.

But for those that only made criticizm here, I still salute on you. Same as what I responded to you. This may also sometimes happened to anyone of us. It is wrong but it just happened.

I hope this put an end of all those words and I will do my best to report something for you after my said trip then.

Cheers,

MD

Jambo
11-28-11, 14:20
using up some one time in reading this nonsense feed back for my nonsense questions.You can save some time by reading the "Reports of Distinction" thread first. The general forums have a lot of ya ya junk in between the good nuggets!

WestCoast1
11-28-11, 14:58
Thanks all, for the suggestions.

So Malate is my first stop. I seem to be reading a lot in the forum about Hussy's. Might check that out before MBC.Hussy's is OK, not great. Similar to the several barfine places on Mabini (near corner United Nations) , I think one of them is called "Rooster's"?

Mc Don
11-28-11, 15:23
Thanks all, for the suggestions.

So Malate is my first stop. I seem to be reading a lot in the forum about Hussy's. Might check that out before MBC. Still have to decide on where to stay. Thats next.

Great forum, mongers. I'm doing my homework, RTFF is well worth spending time on. As a newcomer, I am sure I'll need the guidance of the wise ones from time to time, but I'll try not to present laundry lists of questions.The advice you got from Westcoaster was PERFECT for your purpose. Don't overcomplicate things. MBC at 7am beets all those other bars put together during happy time. 90% of the activity in the area is at MBC.

Tmnb26
11-28-11, 18:12
First off, I would like to thank everyone for the advice that I received on this forum. Because of you, my recent trip was a success. Your information does work!

I arrived in Manila and stayed at the Copacabana Apartment, across the street from EDSA, and it wasn't too bad. Had a nice room with lots of space.

First night, went over to EDSA and went to a couple of the clubs. After a few beers, I met a fairly nice looking gal who didn't try to rob me blind. We went back to my room and the second the door was closed, she was on me like white on rice and did not let up. After a couple times, I finally passed out and woke up with her blowing me again. After she finished I went to take a shower and next thing I knew, she was in the shower with me wanting it again. I admit, I am not Brad Pitt, but this gal never gave me a chance to breath. Never had anyone this into me like that, but later I found out why. After I seen her off in her cab, I went back to my room and noticed that my room seemed to have been searched. Almost every drawer and cabinet were opened or went through. Luckily they have some very high cabinets that were not easy to get to and I stashed my valuables there. That was one of the only spaces that seemed not to be searched. I even put a tooth pic in the corner (seen that in a movie) and it was still there. I double check my stuff and everything was there, unmolested. Because of this forum, I knew beforehand to hide my stuff. Thanks for that guys! Now that I remember, she was sorta shocked when I tipped her, I took the money from under the insert of my shoe. Also looking back, she never let me alone so I could hide or put away anything I had on my person. She must of thought she had an easy mark and could take me for everything I had after I passed out.

That afternoon, I ventured over to the Mall of Asia where I was scanning for some mall poon and get some supplies when I walked by a couple of cuties. I gave them the "Hey Girl Smile" and walked by, not thinking anything about it. As I came out of the hardware store (wanted a new lock for my suitcase (more security!) I seen them again. And after seeing them a few more times, I started to get worried that they were following me for some bad reason, so I thought I would confront them. But then I couldn't find them. So I went into the Red Mango, to get some yoghurt to cool off when I seen them again. I made eye contact with one of them and waved for her to come and join me. They looked at each other for a minute and then joined me. I ask them why they were following me and they told me their stories. I bought them both a yoghurt and chatted with them. They both just came from the American Embassy, where they both had interviews to get visas to come to America to get married and they were just wasting time before they went back home. Then I asked them why they were following me. One of them told me that they were looking to have some fun but didn't have much money and thought I could help them out. There it was, White Guy ATM! So I thought I would have some fun with them and ask what were they willing to do. That's when they dropped the bomb! They told me that they didn't want money, just looking for a good time while in Manila. It was getting late so, we caught a cab and asked the cabbie if there were any Disco or KTV bars nearby. He was very helpful and recommended a place called Cowboys.

Cowboys isn't too bad, Loud music and lots of hot girls. Then there was me and these two hotties, drinking and dancing the night away. Never had so much fun! While chatting with them after a few drinks, they started asking me about what two girls would do with one guy. I jokingly said, come back to my hotel and I will show them, they accepted. I was floored! REALLY! Holy Crap, I was on cloud nine. So around midnight we went back to my hotel, no problem with the doorman, just slipped him a nice tip and up to the room. Now the disappointing part for me, every time I started to think I was in heaven, one would say "what should I do now?" And I had to direct them to what they needed to do. They were not virgins but they were virgins to this. Around 4am, they said they needed to get back to their hotels to get their stuff, one had a 6am flight and the other an 8am back to their home provinces. I gave them my email and told them if they wanted to get in touch with me when they got in country. We will see what will happen there because they both will be within 200 miles of where I live. I tried to give them some money but they would not take it, so I slipped 1000php in their purses when they weren't looking. I could of gotten off with out giving them anything, but I had fun and I wanted to do something for them. So I walked them down and gave them cab fare (they took that) and off they went. Haven't gotten an email yet, but ya never know.

Now a few minutes after I get back to my room, there is a knock on the door. Opened up and it was the girl from the first night, she said she was just coming down the stairs when she seen me get into the elevator so she thought we could hook up again. I thought it was a little strange she just happened to be in the same hotel I was in but, with how close it is to EDSA, why not. I told her to shower first because I didn't want anything her last bed-mate had, and she did not hesitate, stripped naked and into the shower. While she was in the shower, I quickly hookerproofed my room, put my toothpick back in the corner of the cabinet and did some snooping of my own. I don't usually like looking into any woman's purse, but I thought, WTF, she would look in my wallet. I seen she had a couple 1000php waded up inside and a few rubbers. I took a couple of the rubbers and one of the 1000php (I will explain later) out of her purse and put the rubbers on the night stand for our use. (Why use up mine?) She hollered for me to join her in the shower and I went in and had her bathe me, so that I was "clean up to her standards", then to the bed, where she rocked my world again and again. Finally around 7am, I escorted her down to a cab, where I gave her back the 1000php and seen her on her way. I tipped the doorman again who was giving me a look of approval.

I figured it was breakfast time so I went up to the cafe where I ran into another American guy there. As he was leaving, he walked over to me and asked how sloppy seconds were. That's when I told him "Not bad, especially when I pay with his money!" He sat and we traded a few stories. Asked if I wanted to hang with him later. I declined because I had a rendezvous set up later that day with some gal from DIA, then I was going to Legaspi the next morning.

Pictures are so deceiving! The girl from DIA was like 46 and really old looking. She looked like she had been over used and put away. But I was already cornered, so I offered to buy dinner (she ate like a pig) , so during dinner, I excused myself and slipped out the back door. I had to block her on DIA because she would not stop sending me messages. I did slip a couple hundred pesos in her pocket before I left. Thought that would cover her cab fare (I prepaid for dinner, so I didn't stiff her with the bill). She said I owed her more because she spent a lot of money getting ready for our date, not including her time wasted chatting with me for the last couple months. Last thing I messaged to her was maybe if she didn't lie about her age, use someone else's pic, and deceived me, we could have had a nice time. I am not into granny bumping! Haven't heard from her since.

Thought about going back to EDSA but didn't want to run into the first girl again and worry about hiding my stuff again, so I just went back to the hotel and rest up for my trip to Bicol (will report about that trip in Other Areas). The doorman gave me a look like,"what no girl tonight?" I just tipped him and say, I need rest. He laughed and called me a Crazy American.

Sorry for being long winded but I wanted to give ya'll all the good details of my trip to Manila. Next time I want to try MBC. Lot of good tips from you guys. Didn't want to travel too far away from the area I know. More comfortable now, will venture farther next time. Again Thanks everyone for the post and reports

WestCoast1
11-29-11, 01:34
Great first report!


After a few beers, I met a fairly nice looking gal who didn't try to rob me blind. We went back to my room and the second the door was closed, she was on me like white on rice and did not let up. After a couple times, I finally passed out and woke up with her blowing me again. After she finished I went to take a shower and next thing I knew, she was in the shower with me wanting it again. I admit, I am not Brad Pitt, but this gal never gave me a chance to breath.Welcome to pilipines, the nawty wild west!


I bought them both a yoghurt and chatted with them. They both just came from the American Embassy, where they both had interviews to get visas to come to America to get married and they were just wasting time before they went back home. Then I asked them why they were following me. One of them told me that they were looking to have some fun but didn't have much money and thought I could help them out. There it was, White Guy ATM! So I thought I would have some fun with them and ask what were they willing to do. That's when they dropped the bomb! They told me that they didn't want money, just looking for a good time while in Manila.Welcome to pilipines, the nawty wild west!


Cowboys isn't too bad, Loud music and lots of hot girls. Then there was me and these two hotties, drinking and dancing the night away. Never had so much fun! While chatting with them after a few drinks, they started asking me about what two girls would do with one guy. I jokingly said, come back to my hotel and I will show them, they accepted. I was floored! REALLY! Holy Crap, I was on cloud nine. So around midnight we went back to my hotel, no problem with the doorman, just slipped him a nice tip and up to the room.Welcome to pilipines, the nawty wild west!


Now a few minutes after I get back to my room, there is a knock on the door. Opened up and it was the girl from the first night, she said she was just coming down the stairs when she seen me get into the elevator so she thought we could hook up again. I thought it was a little strange she just happened to be in the same hotel I was in but, with how close it is to EDSA, why not. I told her to shower first because I didn't want anything her last bed-mate had, and she did not hesitate, stripped naked and into the shower. She hollered for me to join her in the shower and I went in and had her bathe me, so that I was "clean up to her standards", then to the bed, where she rocked my world again and again. Finally around 7am, I escorted her down to a cab, where I gave her back the 1000php and seen her on her way. I tipped the doorman again who was giving me a look of approval.Welcome to pilipines, the nawty wild west!


Pictures are so deceiving! The girl from DIA was like 46 and really old looking. She looked like she had been over used and put away.Welcome to pilipines, the nawty wild west!


The doorman gave me a look like,"what no girl tonight?" I just tipped him and say, I need rest. He laughed and called me a Crazy American.Welcome to pilipines, the nawty wild west!

FreebieFan
11-29-11, 02:10
[QUOTE=Pictures are so deceiving! The girl from DIA was like 46 and really old looking. She looked like she had been over used and put away. , I excused myself and slipped out the back door. I. She said I owed her more because she spent a lot of money getting ready for our date, not including her time wasted chatting with me for the last couple months. Last thing I messaged to her was maybe if she didn't lie about her age, use someone else's pic, and deceived me, [/QUOTE]Wow. Now these ladies who have nothing else to do with their day and time (hobbies, watching tv, eating, jollibee) think that their time is valuable. Thats a classic new one. Well they surely will try everything.

Not sure how cool it is to steal from a girl and then repay her with what she's previously earned, but then we all beat to different drums.

Its a handy trick to always have seals or the self sealings plastic ties that you can use on your bags. No one can enter them without breaking the seal or the tie. Works as well as the good ol toothpick test.

FreebieFan
11-29-11, 03:41
[QUOTE=Pictures are so deceiving! The girl from DIA was like 46 and really old looking. She looked like she had been over used and put away. , I excused myself and slipped out the back door. I. She said I owed her more because she spent a lot of money getting ready for our date, not including her time wasted chatting with me for the last couple months. Last thing I messaged to her was maybe if she didn't lie about her age, use someone else's pic, and deceived me, [/QUOTE]Wow. Now these ladies who have nothing else to do with their day and time (hobbies, watching tv, eating, jollibee) think that their time is valuable. Thats a classic new one. Well they surely will try everything.

Not sure how cool it is to steal from a girl and then repay her with what she's previously earned, but then we all beat to different drums.

Its a handy trick to always have seals or the self sealings plastic ties that you can use on your bags. No one can enter them without breaking the seal or the tie. Works as well as the good ol toothpick test.

Yujin
11-29-11, 06:13
While in Manila (November 2011) , I was surfing the Internet and found a Filipino musician forum website with a very informative posting on Manila's massage parlor scene. Since posting a link to another forum might not be allowed, do a Google search with the key words "StarFleet, Philmusic" and it'll bring up 'All About Spa, Massage and other Relaxing Treatment. ' The detailed information is on page 11, reply 271, by 'waya-drum' down at the bottom of the page. Most of the posts on the forum page is in Tagalog except the one that I 'm referencing.

Before I found the posting, I was going to Air Force One, but the posting identified the nearby StarFleet as having lower rates. I caught a taxi and insisted the driver use the meter or else I was going to bail out. The driver pissed and moaned about the heavy traffic, the long distance, the high cost of gasoline, and his cost to rent the taxi which all added up to him not making any money using the meter. I offered to give him a good tip if he would use the meter and he agreed. The taxi driver tried to get me to go to a closer and cheaper massage parlor or a boarding house (brothel?) in Makati. He said I could get a girl at the boarding house back to my hotel room for an all-nighter for 5, 000 pesos. I declined and kept him pointed toward StarFleet.

The final metered rate was 120 pesos, but traffic at 7:30 PM was horrendous so I gave him 200 pesos. I now understand why taxi drivers don't want to use their meter.

StarFleet is located on the 3rd floor via an elevator. There's a security doorman at the entry to give you directions. The girls are in two separate viewing rooms. One is the VIP girls whose services cost nearly twice as the regular girls. There were eight girls in the VIP room. The second viewing room had about 15 girls. I didn't think the VIP girls were anymore prettier than the regular (but they are younger) girls so I picked a regular.

The cost for a massage with a regular girl was 850 pesos for 90 minutes. The girl said the extra service would be 1, 000 pesos, but it would be up to me.

The massage was ok. The full service was great. The girl did not short change me on time or service so I gave her 1, 300 pesos. She hinted that she was expecting 2, 000 pesos given the quality of services she provided. I couldn't argue with her over her services so I capitulated and gave her 2, 000 pesos which made her happy and I wanted her happy in case I returned. In total, I spent 2, 850 pesos (US$65). The cost is about what I would have paid or less for lady drinks and to bar-fine a girl out of a Manila club plus tip.

I'm a fan of the Thai "fishbowl " massage parlors and this is the closest that I could find in the Philippines. It's not the same quality, but it was enough to satisfy me. If I had more time in Manila, I would have liked to check out the other "relaxing" establishments identified by "waya-drum."

Red Kilt
11-29-11, 06:27
. The massage was ok. The full service was great. The girl did not short change me on time or service so I gave her 1, 300 pesos. She hinted that she was expecting 2, 000 pesos given the quality of services she provided. I couldn't argue with her over her services so I capitulated and gave her 2, 000 pesos which made her happy and I wanted her happy in case I returned. In total, I spent 2, 850 pesos (US$65). The cost is about what I would have paid or less for lady drinks and to bar-fine a girl out of a Manila club plus tip.Great well-written report Yujin.

This is a great "heads-up" for board members.

What you paid is way LESS than you could expect to pay at any of the bars along Burgos Street these days, and ESPECIALLY when you factor in the lady drinks plus all the potential dramas that you can get with BGs and mamasans etc.

I am a big fan of these sorts of places because the price is fixed and even the expected tip is reasonable, the girls are usually well-trained, surroundings are mostly pleasant, and once completed you walk out with no further concerns.

LevDog
11-29-11, 08:31
Like the other guys, thanks Levdog for a very refreshing post. I am looking for this kind of situation and environment myself.

Can you tell me where you picked up the two girls? Were they SW, or in the mall, or in the hotels?

GanglesThe girls I picked up work in front of the short term hotels. The best part of being the only foreigner is that there was nobody shoving viagra or sunglasses in your face. Right now I am in cebu, staying in my favorite place, downtown Colon. If I come across any unique places in cebu city or if anybody has any information besides the usual haunts I would love to hear about them.

Key Master
11-29-11, 08:41
I arrived in Manila and stayed at the Copacabana Apartment, across the street from EDSA, and it wasn't too bad. Had a nice room with lots of space.

First night, went over to EDSA and went to a couple of the clubs. After a few beers, I met a fairly nice looking gal who didn't try to rob me blind. We went back to my room and the second the door was closed, she was on me like white on rice and did not let up. After a couple times, I finally passed out and woke up with her blowing me again. After she finished I went to take a shower and next thing I knew, she was in the shower with me wanting it again. I admit, I am not Brad Pitt, but this gal never gave me a chance to breath. Never had anyone this into me like that, but later I found out why. After I seen her off in her cab, I went back to my room and noticed that my room seemed to have been searched. Almost every drawer and cabinet were opened or went through. Luckily they have some very high cabinets that were not easy to get to and I stashed my valuables there. That was one of the only spaces that seemed not to be searched. I even put a tooth pic in the corner (seen that in a movie) and it was still there. I double check my stuff and everything was there, unmolested. Because of this forum, I knew beforehand to hide my stuff. Thanks for that guys! Now that I remember, she was sorta shocked when I tipped her, I took the money from under the insert of my shoe. Also looking back, she never let me alone so I could hide or put away anything I had on my person. She must of thought she had an easy mark and could take me for everything I had after I passed out.

Now a few minutes after I get back to my room, there is a knock on the door. Opened up and it was the girl from the first night, she said she was just coming down the stairs when she seen me get into the elevator so she thought we could hook up again. I thought it was a little strange she just happened to be in the same hotel I was in but, with how close it is to EDSA, why not. I told her to shower first because I didn't want anything her last bed-mate had, and she did not hesitate, stripped naked and into the shower. While she was in the shower, I quickly hookerproofed my room, put my toothpick back in the corner of the cabinet and did some snooping of my own. I don't usually like looking into any woman's purse, but I thought, WTF, she would look in my wallet. I seen she had a couple 1000php waded up inside and a few rubbers. I took a couple of the rubbers and one of the 1000php (I will explain later) out of her purse and put the rubbers on the night stand for our use. (Why use up mine?) She hollered for me to join her in the shower and I went in and had her bathe me, so that I was "clean up to her standards", then to the bed, where she rocked my world again and again. Finally around 7am, I escorted her down to a cab, where I gave her back the 1000php and seen her on her way. I tipped the doorman again who was giving me a look of approval.Thanks for the report. I think the mall pickup was awesome. In regards to your EDSA girl, I'm not sure what to think. I wasn't in your room to know, but I really question whether a woman all over you like that would really be robbing you and all that. Plus, it wasn't like she was a freelancer and you may not find her again, you knew what bar she worked at. I'm wondering if you are mistaken to think that she attempted to steal from you or if maybe you left it that way or someone else pilfered through your drawers while you were outside of your room. You did say you were in an apartment, so maybe there is a security issue there. I'm not saying she didn't do it, but to come back to the scene of the crime after you would have figured it out, just doesn't make any sense to me. It's not shocking for a Filipina to be that horny. And just a word of advice, even though she probably didn't realize what you did in regards to giving her own money back, it's a somewhat risky move. It's not really worth the risk I believe to send a message like that if someone decides to retaliate back there. You have no protections.

Ekspat
11-29-11, 10:37
Its a handy trick to always have seals or the self sealings plastic ties that you can use on your bags. No one can enter them without breaking the seal or the tie. Works as well as the good ol toothpick test.I simply woudn't stay in a place without proper safety-box. That's a must for me, otherwise I don't consider the hotel.

FreebieFan
11-29-11, 10:47
One of my gf's has long had an interest in finding a gal so she can suck her boobs, preferably big ones. She's says she doesn't want to do any more than that but who knows.

Anyways I'm taking her to EDSA (she will wait outside) with me on Sunday night to find a lady who will be ok with that.

Do any of the EDSA regulars know the names / bars / of a girl who would be good with that.

We will probably all go to Sogo for ST. If girl has a nice rack I may try and get on one end of the teet whilst my girl is on the other LOL.

Rob Raxcal
11-29-11, 11:29
I put a post on the Cebu forum asking about things to do for New Years and it seems that it is dead there. Any ideas for Manila on New Years? Do all the girls leave here also to go home? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.

Tmnb26
11-29-11, 15:49
I want to thank everyone who replied back to my first trip report.

As for a few of the comments, I guess I never seen things the way you guys look at it. It may have been the way I posted it (wording) or the way you read it, but ya, if I read it from another perspective, I can see why you said what you said.


I wasn't in your room to know, but I really question whether a woman all over you like that would really be robbing you and all that. Plus, it wasn't like she was a freelancer and you may not find her again, you knew what bar she worked at. I'm wondering if you are mistaken to think that she attempted to steal from you or if maybe you left it that way or someone else pilfered through your drawers while you were outside of your room. You did say you were in an apartment, so maybe there is a security issue there. I'm not saying she didn't do it, but to come back to the scene of the crime after you would have figured it out, just doesn't make any sense to me. It's not shocking for a Filipina to be that horny.
Its a handy trick to always have seals or the self sealings plastic ties that you can use on your bags. No one can enter them without breaking the seal or the tie. Works as well as the good ol toothpick test.As for my room being searched, first off, it was an apartment style hotel, and other than house keeping, I had the only key. I believe the piffling was done while I was asleep and / or in the shower. When I checked in, I did a full inspection of the room, to find hiding spots and to know what I have available for my stay. Like I said, it was a feeling I had. May it be true or false, things seemed moved and the next morning while she was there, if felt like she was keeping me from noticing anything but her. Never got that feeling with anyone else. And thanks for the plastic tie trick, will use that one in the future.


Not sure how cool it is to steal from a girl and then repay her with what she's previously earned, but then we all beat to different drums.
And just a word of advice, even though she probably didn't realize what you did in regards to giving her own money back, it's a somewhat risky move. It's not really worth the risk I believe to send a message like that if someone decides to retaliate back there. You have no protections.As for the money issue, I guess you are right, didn't look at it like that at the time. I seen it as, if she didn't see me, she wouldn't have made anymore money and she approached me at my hotel, I wasn't looking for company. But looking at it now, I can see how that could be taken. Thanks for the advice!

Also thinking about it, I didn't get any pics of this girls. Mental pictures don't help you guys. Getting the camera out would have revealed my hiding spot. Didn't thing about it at the time, was into getting pleasure for myself than pleasure for you guys. Will be more considerate next time. Thanks Again!

D Cups
11-29-11, 16:56
Yes, I agree, even some good-looking girls from Makati go to MBC to make some money. But the Burgos girls are wild in the bar!


The advice you got from Westcoaster was PERFECT for your purpose. Don't overcomplicate things. MBC at 7am beets all those other bars put together during happy time. 90% of the activity in the area is at MBC.

Fast Eddie 48
11-30-11, 04:33
Yes, I agree, even some good-looking girls from Makati go to MBC to make some money. But the Burgos girls are wild in the bar!To D cup.

The hot girl at havana will get pick up fast never made it to MBC, only the left over go to MBC I think either place is a hit and miss it all depend on you luck and timing.

Fast Eddie 48

Mr Hawaii
11-30-11, 06:39
One of my gf's has long had an interest in finding a gal so she can suck her boobs, preferably big ones. She's says she doesn't want to do any more than that but who knows.

Anyways I'm taking her to EDSA (she will wait outside) with me on Sunday night to find a lady who will be ok with that.

Do any of the EDSA regulars know the names / bars / of a girl who would be good with that.

We will probably all go to Sogo for ST. If girl has a nice rack I may try and get on one end of the teet whilst my girl is on the other LOL.First, take her with you inside. Don't let her wait outside. Then, let her pick her own girl, and bring her over to talk. A lot of girls in EDSA are used to that, especially the ones that have been there for a year or more. If not there, definitely in MBC (LA Cafe). I've had girls do it, but was always best to let the girls pick her own "partner". Even if she is too shy, let her choose, then you call her to the table like it was going to be a 3some, and let things unfold. Good luck.

FreebieFan
11-30-11, 07:08
First, take her with you inside. Don't let her wait outside. Then, let her pick her own girl, and bring her over to talk. A lot of girls in EDSA are used to that, especially the ones that have been there for a year or more. If not there, definitely in MBC (LA Cafe). I've had girls do it, but was always best to let the girls pick her own "partner". Even if she is too shy, let her choose, then you call her to the table like it was going to be a 3some, and let things unfold. Good luck.Thanks for the update Mr H. I'm generally a one on one guy, but this little cutey wants a little spice added to the pie, so I'm happy to assist.

Sammon
11-30-11, 17:14
I want to thank everyone who replied back to my first trip report.

As for a few of the comments, I guess I never seen things the way you guys look at it. It may have been the way I posted it (wording) or the way you read it, but ya, if I read it from another perspective, I can see why you said what you said.

As for my room being searched, first off, it was an apartment style hotel, and other than house keeping, I had the only key. I believe the piffling was done while I was asleep and / or in the shower. When I checked in, I did a full inspection of the room, to find hiding spots and to know what I have available for my stay. Like I said, it was a feeling I had. May it be true or false, things seemed moved and the next morning while she was there, if felt like she was keeping me from noticing anything but her. Never got that feeling with anyone else. And thanks for the plastic tie trick, will use that one in the future.

As for the money issue, I guess you are right, didn't look at it like that at the time. I seen it as, if she didn't see me, she wouldn't have made anymore money and she approached me at my hotel, I wasn't looking for company. But looking at it now, I can see how that could be taken. Thanks for the advice!

Also thinking about it, I didn't get any pics of this girls. Mental pictures don't help you guys. Getting the camera out would have revealed my hiding spot. Didn't thing about it at the time, was into getting pleasure for myself than pleasure for you guys. Will be more considerate next time. Thanks Again!I am sure your girl is not the first or the last to try to steal.

My regular in Manila stole 3000 pesos on our last night together. Usually I lock up everything including pesos before I go to bed. On this occassion I had gone alone to the casino and had won money which I counted before leaving casino. In the room I did not bother to put money in the safe deposit locker since the girl and I have stayed together on many a trips for few days at a time. She has never stolen even a few pesos before. While I was asleep she must have gone through my pants pocket and found a roll of 14, 000 pesos. She must have thought I will not count the money. In the morning when she was in the shower I checked my money in order to give her some money. On noticing 3000 pesos less I did only the prudent thing. Reduced 2000 pesos of the money I planned to give her. We had stayed together for a week. I guess she needed the money because she is a nursing student. I am not in the habit of confrontation, crying, blaming, denying etc. Only later while we were chatting I mentioned about missing 3000 pesos. Ofcourse she denied it. I would never check her purse because I respect girl's privacy. Forget about taking 3000 pesos from her purse and giving it back. I have had many girls including bargirls stay with me but none stole anything.

This shows always lock up money and valuables even if you know the girl very well.

FreebieFan
12-01-11, 03:11
The Gods discussed, the Suns, Moons and other planets aligned beautifully, and as at 1. 30 am on Saturday am morning Cebu Pacific wil create a vapour trail bound for Manila, my last trip of 2011. I think that there were 8 previous trips this year.

The agenda is fairly standard, and fairly full but as always there are fallbacks for all appointments. As we all know its hit or miss whether plan A or plan be will be required but the back up list is long and willing.

Arrive at 3. 30am (yes thats not a typo ). Home, then out at 6am to meet contender number 1. She was 18 when I sampled her last time but is now 19. Tall and curvy for a Filipina and well versed in the physical arts. She has promised that we can make our own porn movie but the advent of her period two days ago might mean we only record a wonderful blow. Anyway I have lots of slutwear, stockings, supsender belts etc that wil make her happy. She will be allowed to stay till 3pm.

Sleep, food and then head to Eastwood to meet Ms 18. Cute, happy voice first time to meet a foreigner (really honey?). She has ofered to stay the night but no sex. She has a bra and panties waiting for her that she has said she will model so I suspect there might be some sex LOL.

She may or may not stay the night, as Ms 21 Ortigas. 40 kgs is also lined up. I suspect I will ditch Ms 18 by 10pm and have a few drinks and then fun with Ms Ortigas. Both are new for me.

Next morning wil pick up Ms 22 from Alabang. Met her before and she was amazing. Long legs happy face and really good times. Before I get to whisk her away to a hotel, appararently I have to buy her Mom lunch. And yes folks its only the mom! I wonder if the mom can eat and be finisihed in 10 minutes. !

We will have our fun and she will be sent on her way by 4pm.

By 7pm will be meeting one of my regulars, who is always lively and fun. Ms Las Pinas 22. She gives wonderful blows. But this time to spice up our fun we wil find an EDSA girl to play with on a shared basis. Its her fantasy to do this so wil be interesting to see what happens.

She will be leaving at 2am as has college the next day (and she will be bringing the uniform so we can have some uniform play.)

By 9am will be meeting Ms Cubao 22. Works in a call centre and will meet me after work. She's studying to be a lawyer which is a first. Anyways she is interested in the schoolgirl outfit I have and a few other items of lingerie in my bag so should be interesting and fun.

She will be released at 2pm.

Then will be onto Ms Makati, a long time girl I've known. Not the hottest in bed but super sweet super nice company and the nicest boobs I've ever seen. The type you could fall in love (yes girl AND boobs). I promised her 24 hours of my time.

Therafter if there is time will meet Ms Taguig. 28 and a teacher. She loves to be licked and doesn't get a lot of action tho she sometimes wishes she did. Said she had only had sex with one other guy this year and " he didn't come anywher close to being as good as you are, FReebie " LOL.

So thats a total of 9 lovely ladies. 5 repeats and 4 new ones to my list. Will be a great stay as always. Sadly 3 new ones form my last trip had to be excluded even though they were also lovely. And now I'm sitting in my office with that warm glow of anticipation.

Sugoi
12-01-11, 09:44
While in Manila (November 2011) ,

The cost for a massage with a regular girl was 850 pesos for 90 minutes. The girl said the extra service would be 1, 000 pesos, but it would be up to me.

The massage was ok. The full service was great. The girl did not short change me on time or service so I gave her 1, 300 pesos. She hinted that she was expecting 2, 000 pesos given the quality of services she provided. I couldn't argue with her over her services so I capitulated and gave her 2, 000 pesos which made her happy and I wanted her happy in case I returned. In total, I spent 2, 850 pesos (US$65). The cost is about what I would have paid or less for lady drinks and to bar-fine a girl out of a Manila club plus tip.

I'm a fan of the Thai "fishbowl " massage parlors and this is the closest that I could find in the Philippines. It's not the same quality, but it was enough to satisfy me. If I had more time in Manila, I would have liked to check out the other "relaxing" establishments identified by "waya-drum."A couple of things on Starfleet. First, I heard it is closed due to another raid and this time possibly for good. I think it has been discussed here about Phoenix in Roman Suites and Don Pedro over by Burgos also being closed.

However, if they ever open again, Starfleet has 3 levels of girls with the ones on the bottom floor being 2000 pesos but they give a wet mattress massage sort of like what you see in videos. Body to body wet thai massage. Tip is 2000. For the other 2 levels, tip is usually 1500 but many will ask of 2000 but be happy with 1500.

Red Kilt
12-01-11, 11:39
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So thats a total of 9 lovely ladies. 5 repeats and 4 new ones to my list. Will be a great stay as always. Sadly 3 new ones form my last trip had to be excluded even though they were also lovely. And now I'm sitting in my office with that warm glow of anticipation.No wonder you don't have time to meet up with your boring male friends FF. Not a lot of free time in that schedule LOL.

It's OK mate. I would do the same too if it was me.

Just sit back and wait for some of the less successful ISG members to be PM'ing you for names and numbers of your left overs.

If you need help getting to the airport and assistance onto the plane when you leave just text me

Ekspat
12-01-11, 12:54
No wonder you don't have time to meet up with your boring male friends FF.That means I can consider myself luck having met FF in person?

Me working on the same project, enjoying hot Pinays the last two weeks, Manila, Cebu and now Bicol. Next week AC!

No doubt, tough job, but some1 got to do it.

Sincerely yours! Cheers!

Mr Enternational
12-01-11, 14:57
My regular in Manila stole 3000 pesos on our last night together. I am not in the habit of confrontation, crying, blaming, denying etc. Only later while we were chatting I mentioned about missing 3000 pesos. Ofcourse she denied it. I would never check her purse because I respect girl's privacy.I know some criminals who would love for you to be their arresting officer. A thief should have no privacy. She stole from you but it's okay because you want her to have privacy? If that word gets out then it would be open season on you. If a hooker stole from me and didn't have enough sense to hit the high road before I found out, then there would be some furniture moving going on.

Sammon
12-01-11, 17:03
I know some criminals who would love for you to be their arresting officer. A thief should have no privacy. She stole from you but it's okay because you want her to have privacy? If that word gets out then it would be open season on you. If a hooker stole from me and didn't have enough sense to hit the high road before I found out, then there would be some furniture moving going on.Well, This girl is not a hooker. Normal girl studying to be a nurse. Known her for couple of years and had a good time with her always.

In the end I lost only 1000 pesos. Want to see her again and ofcourse I will lock up everything.

Mr Enternational
12-01-11, 18:07
Well, This girl is not a hooker. Normal girl studying to be a nurse. Known her for couple of years and had a good time with her always.

In the end I lost only 1000 pesos. Want to see her again and ofcourse I will lock up everything.LOL. That is even worse; a non-pro stealing from you. You kind of expect it from a hooker. Yeah, lock it up. She has lost her privileges of you trying to be normal around her.

FreebieFan
12-02-11, 01:46
No wonder you don't have time to meet up with your boring male friends FF. Not a lot of free time in that schedule LOL.

It's OK mate. I would do the same too if it was me.

Just sit back and wait for some of the less successful ISG members to be PM'ing you for names and numbers of your left overs.

If you need help getting to the airport and assistance onto the plane when you leave just text meI thought I would end the year with a "bang" so to speak! Anyways you have it there every week. And somehow the Pinays that I get in Taipei just don't seem as "exciting ". And I have a few. Beers next time talaga!

New Durex survey found that on average a male has had 5 partners in his life. A female Taiwanese has had 3 partners. The sweet and unhorny male Malaysian has had an average of 2 partners only in his life! Kiwis have tried to claim the horny / slutty crown by claiming to have had 44 partners. I guess if Durex commisioned the same survey on ISG it migt produce some astonishingly above average figures!

FreebieFan
12-02-11, 06:34
My plan for this Saturday was to pick up an 18 year old with very curvaceous body, keep her till about ten then pick up a 40 kg secretary.

The 18 has plaintively and sweetly asked if we can stay togethert at night. She has seductively said she doesn't know much but would be happy to learn. Young and gorgeous.

The 21 year secretary has stated she's up for anything that I choose to create when we are alone. (was thinking body painting, and sex on the balcony, plus dressing her in japaneses schoolgirl outfit, cucumbers etc, handcuffs etc.

So now I have two choices of overnight partner. And no idea what to do. Blissful problem!

FreebieFan
12-02-11, 07:30
No wonder you don't have time to meet up with your boring male friends FF. Not a lot of free time in that schedule LOL.

It's OK mate. I would do the same too if it was me.

Just sit back and wait for some of the less successful ISG members to be PM'ing you for names and numbers of your left overs.Hi RK, One of your former conquests (Maria E?") is on Ym right now. The heading next to her name is

" hey. Any Christmas gifts there. I'm willing to accept ".

I bet you are honey!

Sky Ryder
12-02-11, 07:50
I thought I would end the year with a "bang" so to speak! Anyways you have it there every week. And somehow the Pinays that I get in Taipei just don't seem as "exciting ". And I have a few. Beers next time talaga!

New Durex survey found that on average a male has had 5 partners in his life. A female Taiwanese has had 3 partners. The sweet and unhorny male Malaysian has had an average of 2 partners only in his life! Kiwis have tried to claim the horny / slutty crown by claiming to have had 44 partners. I guess if Durex commisioned the same survey on ISG it migt produce some astonishingly above average figures!I wonder what the number would be for those in the top 1. It would be nice to know that I "excel" at something! A world wide average of 5 different partners in a lifetime? Is that possible? Bless those "horny" kiwis! Gives me something to aspire to! I will look for this survey, be curious to know where the Norte Americanos fit in the mix!

Yujin
12-02-11, 08:58
A couple of things on Starfleet. First, I heard it is closed due to another raid and this time possibly for good.I was there on November 23, 2011 so if StarFleet has been closed, it's a very recent event.

FreebieFan
12-02-11, 10:37
I wonder what the number would be for those in the top 1. It would be nice to know that I "excel" at something! A world wide average of 5 different partners in a lifetime? Is that possible? Bless those "horny" kiwis! Gives me something to aspire to! I will look for this survey, be curious to know where the Norte Americanos fit in the mix!I omitted to type Taiwanese. The average taiwanese male has 5 partners in a lifetime.

Macho Dik
12-02-11, 13:30
Dear All,

First report.

Now arrived Manila.

Went to MBC last night, have 1 gal to my room at citi sate tower hotel. Hewr name is Margie. Skiny just my type. She said she is just around for 2 days (who cares anyway). Have a great fuck and I exhausted as this gal really a nympho, very wet when I give her the best licking at her pussies. We set for 2500peso but I gave her P3000. She is nice and stay with me till 10 am. She will come again tonight. Should I take her again or change? My confusion as she is really nice.

I also contact some dia girl, a lady Melys with good looking face. Set meeting with her this PM but my goodness, she looks fatgter from the ojne I saw in DIA profile. Did not do anything as she is not my type.

I think this is no good to do some sort of wasting time to have date from those girls from DIA. WILL STICK WITH MBC and will go angeles next week.

Cheers,

MD

Slippery
12-02-11, 14:54
How many pussies does she have? Be careful of the rats in the main dining room at City State.

Sugoi
12-02-11, 17:09
I was there on November 23, 2011 so if StarFleet has been closed, it's a very recent event.They must have opened again because my info was dated back to October. I've heard many times that places are closed for good only to see them open up again. I went by Don Pedro today and it was definitely closed and has been for a while and doesn't look like it will open any time soon.

Next time, try the presidential section downstairs. 2000 for the room and 2000 for the girl.

Tool Shedd
12-02-11, 21:45
Thanks all, for the suggestions.

So Malate is my first stop. I seem to be reading a lot in the forum about Hussy's. Might check that out before MBC. Still have to decide on where to stay. Thats next.

Great forum, mongers. I'm doing my homework, RTFF is well worth spending time on. As a newcomer, I am sure I'll need the guidance of the wise ones from time to time, but I'll try not to present laundry lists of questions.Hi I'm Punter:

I was in Ermita in July and checked out some of the famous places mentioned here in the forum. When I say "checked out" it was cursory; I had my girlfriend with me.

Two things I wanted to mention on the board:

1) Across the street from Duck Inn / Hussies and south a bit. 1/2 block if I remember, there was a bright blue painted building with an open courtyard, lighted at night. Inside the courtyard were 6-8 lovely young women, dressed as if they were available, lounging on sofas and love seats. It looked like take-out to me. I'm's mention of trying Hussies reminded me of this place. Has anyone frequented similar establishments in the PI? I have seen them and partaken in Guadalajara, Mexico. Perhaps this is why I noticed it.

2) Across the street to the north of Amazonia, about 2 businesses from the corner, is a nice little bar called "The Butterfly Bar." Since I am 53 years old and hard of hearing, it is refreshing to find a bar that the music is not so loud. Also the music was more from my era. I was in there twice, there didn't appear to be working girls there, but there were about 7 lovelies in bar uniform on an afternoon when there were only 3 customers. I assume from their dress and actions that they are available. Once again, I did not partake since my lady was with me. Point is that this is a nice bar to have a drink in, get out of the noise, and there is no pressure here. If one is feeling overwhelmed at Amazonia, Hussies, MBC this would be a "safe haven." I enjoyed it there, watching the waitresses rub up against the 70 year old Cano and blowing out the birthday candles on their naked lady cake.

Tool Shedd

Tool Shedd
12-02-11, 23:00
I posted a few photos of the Butterfly bar in "Photo Section" thread. A tourist website had this to say about The Butterfly Bar:

This is a small quiet bar. So if you wish to escape the loud, crowded bars this is a quiet place to relax.

Address: 1330-32 M. H Del Pilar St Ermita.

Directions: 100-200 metres from Robinsons mall, Amazonia Bar and L. A cafe.

Phone: 523-3538.

Theme: Eating and Drinking.

Read more: http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1e8466/#ixzz1fPpdmhdi.

It just seemed a quiet haven amongst the craziness of Ermita. But not so quiet that it wasn't fun, too. The drinks were reasonable and the atmosphere was cool.

I also found another web site that has some info on bars in Ermita. It does not seem that it has been updated for some time.

www.**********.com

My trip to Ermita in July was a blast. Aside from the info in the previous posting, I checked out Amazonia and MBC. Since my lady was with me, it was very interesting to say the least. At Amazonia I had a lot of offers for massages, even though she was sitting next to me.

At MBC I had a lady named Mila that made a run on me when my lady was in the washroom. Mila then sat in front of us and posed sexy for me, batting her eyes, giving me the come hither look, until we left. Funny, but my lady was mad at her, not me even though I did some of the flirting. She called her a "stupid woman.

She was also impressed at how much internet homework, including the monger spots, I had done. I didn't tell her the ISG was my primary source of Philippine info.

Can't figure them out sometimes, but they sure are fun most of the time.

Maybe next trip I can convince her to partake of a 3 some. LOL.

Tool Shedd

Mc Don
12-02-11, 23:10
I posted a few photos of the Butterfly bar in "Photo Section" thread. A tourist website had this to say about The Butterfly Bar:

This is a small quiet bar. So if you wish to escape the loud, crowded bars this is a quiet place to relax.

Address: 1330-32 M. H Del Pilar St Ermita.

Directions: 100-200 metres from Robinsons mall, Amazonia Bar and L. A cafe.

Phone: 523-3538.

Theme: Eating and Drinking.

Read more:

http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/p/m/1e8466/

#ixzz1fPpdmhdi.

It just seemed a quiet haven amongst the craziness of Ermita. But not so quiet that it wasn't fun, too. The drinks were reasonable and the atmosphere was cool.

I also found another web site that has some info on bars in Ermita. It does not seem that it has been updated for some time.

www.**********.com

My trip to Ermita in July was a blast. Aside from the info in the previous posting, I checked out Amazonia and MBC. Since my lady was with me, it was very interesting to say the least. At Amazonia I had a lot of offers for massages, even though she was sitting next to me.

At MBC I had a lady named Mila that made a run on me when my lady was in the washroom. Mila then sat in front of us and posed sexy for me, batting her eyes, giving me the come hither look, until we left. Funny, but my lady was mad at her, not me even though I did some of the flirting. She called her a "stupid woman.

She was also impressed at how much internet homework, including the monger spots, I had done. I didn't tell her the ISG was my primary source of Philippine info.

Can't figure them out sometimes, but they sure are fun most of the time.

Maybe next trip I can convince her to partake of a 3 some. LOL.

Tool SheddThe Butterfly is a pool hole where you can get a good meal and play pool with the girls. The girls that work there ARE NOT for take out however you can hit on them and you never know you may get lucky. If you are alone you can play pool against them too. The place is owned by the same group that ownes Amazonia and as far as I know in the last 4 years or so that has been opened it has never been busy or had any action at least that has been my experiance and I tend to visit it almost every time I am in phils.

D Cups
12-03-11, 00:43
I met a gorgeous Taiwanese girl in Ho Chi Minh City when I was there earlier this year. She devoured my schwantztooka several times with her voracious appetite and deft tongue! I love it when they hum during a BBJCIM! (Apologies to the thread nazis)


I omitted to type Taiwanese. The average taiwanese male has 5 partners in a lifetime.

D Cups
12-03-11, 00:53
Yes, guys, I spent the night with a pretty, not fat. 30-something DD cup ma-beauty last night, my final night in MNL after a 35-day adventure to BKK, Chiang Mai, Ho Chi Minh, Siem Reap, Dumaguete, Siquijor and Manila! The damage was 3K; more than I usually pay but I could not resist her enormous tits and the way she rubbed them all over me! Photos later.

The D

Mr Enternational
12-03-11, 06:34
Went to MBC last night, have 1 gal to my room at citi sate tower hotel. We set for 2500peso but I gave her P3000.

I also contact some dia girl, a lady Melys with good looking face. Set meeting with her this PM but my goodness, she looks fatgter from the ojne I saw in DIA profile. Did not do anything as she is not my type.

I think this is no good to do some sort of wasting time to have date from those girls from DIA. WILL STICK WITH MBC and will go angeles next week.
DD Cups at MBC.

Yes, guys, I spent the night with a pretty, not fat. 30-something DD cup. The damage was 3K; more than I usually pay but I could not resist herHave the prices at MBC gone up? It seems these are EDSA complex prices.

MD, your DIA take / experience is hilarious.

Member #4152
12-03-11, 19:51
Have the prices at MBC gone up? It seems these are EDSA complex prices.

MD, your DIA take / experience is hilarious.Naw, I was just in Manila a few weeks ago and all I donated to the girls were 1500 Peso at the most. Although I did buy them drinks and none of that girly stuff, talking about Jack Daniels!

Tally Wacker
12-03-11, 21:34
And No Photos you can post D Cups?


Yes, guys, I spent the night with a pretty, not fat. 30-something DD cup ma-beauty last night, my final night in MNL after a 35-day adventure to BKK, Chiang Mai, Ho Chi Minh, Siem Reap, Dumaguete, Siquijor and Manila! The damage was 3K; more than I usually pay but I could not resist her enormous tits and the way she rubbed them all over me! Photos later.

The D

WestCoast1
12-03-11, 23:09
Have the prices at MBC gone up? It seems these are EDSA complex prices.The MachoDik just overpaid, in D-Cup's case he was glad to have the specific thing (boobage) , so it was good value for his money. You can still find ST 1500 / LT 2000 in MBC. In fact, my last several ST girls there were fine with 1000 agreed in advance, but I also promised them 2 hours only in advance in the room.

Nolz7
12-04-11, 00:51
The MachoDik just overpaid, in D-Cup's case he was glad to have the specific thing (boobage) , so it was good value for his money. You can still find ST 1500 / LT 2000 in MBC. In fact, my last several ST girls there were fine with 1000 agreed in advance, but I also promised them 2 hours only in advance in the room.Does that price range refer the girls on first floor or does it also includes the ones at second floor?

WestCoast1
12-04-11, 03:09
Does that price range refer the girls on first floor or does it also includes the ones at second floor?Same on either floor. Upstairs just has a live band (usually very good) and you pay to get in. There are girls in any joint who won't go for those prices. Many gents hit this girl first up, and when she asks 3000 for ST, he is a bit wounded, and counters with 2000 (really he's thinking 1500). Then they dicker, and end up at 2500. The girl is tickled pink. Then the newb posts here saying girls go for 2500 for ST. Really the majority will accept much less. You just need to shop around. If she says something ridiculously high, just walk away.

X Man
12-04-11, 11:45
Good post West1. I came in late once and had a chubby one beg me to take her for 300. Stunners can bide their time and wait for the big spender. That being said, I've found a few cute and fresh ones in the afternoon who needed to make curfew and the price was right!

The only good thing I can think about someone paying 2500 ST is that she will bring a few friends the next time she visits. That has to be a good thing, isn't it? Isn't it?


Same on either floor. Upstairs just has a live band (usually very good) and you pay to get in. There are girls in any joint who won't go for those prices. Many gents hit this girl first up, and when she asks 3000 for ST, he is a bit wounded, and counters with 2000 (really he's thinking 1500). Then they dicker, and end up at 2500. The girl is tickled pink. Then the newb posts here saying girls go for 2500 for ST. Really the majority will accept much less. You just need to shop around. If she says something ridiculously high, just walk away.

Starchild2012
12-04-11, 12:42
What a ride, finally made it to Manila, which I thought I would never. I don't know may be it was my dress or constant smile of going to manila or the sex tourist tag. I was picked up from the crowd in Manila as I walked into the immigration counter. They started asking all sorts of questions like why I'm going to manila, how long I will stay, they asked for my return ticket as well as get this yes even my hotel voucher, also they said will I get married here, why I take such a long break in PH when I'm so young, am'I going there for work. They also asked I have been in the PH 3 times in four years, what else is there to see in the PH that I have not seen before, that I'm taking such a long vacation here. They also asked if I have any friends. I said yes. They asked again. Indian friends or Filipino. I said both. Like this more irritating questions that I don't remember.

Now I was stumped by many questions. I just smiled and mumbled. Din't know which way to answer as I never thought it would get this hardcore. One more guy joined in and started seeing my passport all over again and asked some questions about my work and my vacation leave, he even asked for my company papers, but I drifted the questions by answering the lady that I like x'mas in the Ph etc some BS.

I was sweating blood as I thought they will deport me back, they stopped me right at the center of immigration arrival and people were looking scared as if they are next. And then some other guy and an Indian lady came by and they left me. Without saying anything. I slowly moved to the immigration.

Similar questions were asked to me at the Mumbai airport as if they were the ones paying for my trip. The lady reluctantly stamped my passport as if she hated to see me go to paradise.

I don't know, may be its an Indian thing or brown skin thingy hehehe. I only saw one westerner being stopped but they were stopping both men and women.

I'm confused, I don't think, if I go back to India again, if they ever let me in to PH. I already have now four visa stamps of 3 yrs stay in all extension. And suddenly, even the PH immigration does not seem to fancy me too much.

Yeah. This is the Brown skin tax we pay to come to PH as you guys always complain about white tax you pay here. And to top it all. Filipina Heart, DIA, tagged scam have gone up 10 times than last time. What you guys did to Manila I don't know. I'm having hard time getting laid. The girl I brought last night. Just scammed me with her uncle died story the same day BS and all FH, DIA girls hanged me up. I'm going to MBC tonight. Hope it fares better hehehe

Ekspat
12-04-11, 13:33
I was sweating blood as I thought they will deport me back, they stopped me right at the center of immigration arrival and people were looking scared as if they are next.Wow, what horrible. In the last decade I was 60+ times into the PI, half of my 48 pages of the passport is filled with PI chops. Nobody ever asked me some question, always passed the immigration within a minute. I have EU passport.

Good luck in MBC, man!

Asian Rain
12-04-11, 13:40
What a ride, finally made it to Manila, which I thought I would never. I don't know may be it was my dress or constant smile of going to manila or the sex tourist tag. I was picked up from the crowd in Manila as I walked into the immigration counter. They started asking all sorts of questions like why I'm going to manila, how long I will stay, they asked for my return ticket as well as get this yes even my hotel voucher, also they said will I get married here, why I take such a long break in PH when I'm so young, am'I going there for work. They also asked I have been in the PH 3 times in four years, what else is there to see in the PH that I have not seen before, that I'm taking such a long vacation here. They also asked if I have any friends. I said yes. They asked again. Indian friends or Filipino. I said both. Like this more irritating questions that I don't remember.

I don't know, may be its an Indian thing or brown skin thingy hehehe. I only saw one westerner being stopped.If I read correctly, you are an Indian. The very likely reason you are getting tagged is because they believe you are actually coming to work in some IT-related field. The Philippines are very keen to protect their domestic software industry however they can. It is near impossible to get Indians work visas for IT roles. So an Indian who has traveled multiple times or making long stays is most likely assumed to be circumventing the work visa rules and will be plucked out "randomly" (they will just look for the nice laptop bags of an IT professional) for a nice grilling. That's why you see males and females getting the same treatment because they are both potential IT threats. Now you know how to look the next time you rock up to immigration.

Or it could just be a brown skin thingy hehehe. Good luck in Philippines. Enjoy, AR

Mr Enternational
12-04-11, 14:27
Same on either floor. Upstairs just has a live band (usually very good) and you pay to get in. There are girls in any joint who won't go for those prices. Many gents hit this girl first up, and when she asks 3000 for ST, he is a bit wounded, and counters with 2000 (really he's thinking 1500). Then they dicker, and end up at 2500. The girl is tickled pink. Then the newb posts here saying girls go for 2500 for ST. Really the majority will accept much less. You just need to shop around. If she says something ridiculously high, just walk away.At MBC I have always been a 1000 LT guy myself. I've been thinking about bumping it up to 1500 LT when I get back in March. That is why the 3000 posts were really a shocker to me.

JayHighFive
12-04-11, 15:11
WOW. Good to know.


What a ride, finally made it to Manila, which I thought I would never. I don't know may be it was my dress or constant smile of going to manila or the sex tourist tag. I was picked up from the crowd in Manila as I walked into the immigration counter. They started asking all sorts of questions like why I'm going to manila, how long I will stay, they asked for my return ticket as well as get this yes even my hotel voucher, also they said will I get married here, why I take such a long break in PH when I'm so young, am'I going there for work. They also asked I have been in the PH 3 times in four years, what else is there to see in the PH that I have not seen before, that I'm taking such a long vacation here. They also asked if I have any friends. I said yes. They asked again. Indian friends or Filipino. I said both. Like this more irritating questions that I don't remember.

Now I was stumped by many questions. I just smiled and mumbled. Din't know which way to answer as I never thought it would get this hardcore. One more guy joined in and started seeing my passport all over again and asked some questions about my work and my vacation leave, he even asked for my company papers, but I drifted the questions by answering the lady that I like x'mas in the Ph etc some BS.

I was sweating blood as I thought they will deport me back, they stopped me right at the center of immigration arrival and people were looking scared as if they are next. And then some other guy and an Indian lady came by and they left me. Without saying anything. I slowly moved to the immigration.

Similar questions were asked to me at the Mumbai airport as if they were the ones paying for my trip. The lady reluctantly stamped my passport as if she hated to see me go to paradise.

I don't know, may be its an Indian thing or brown skin thingy hehehe. I only saw one westerner being stopped but they were stopping both men and women.

I'm confused, I don't think, if I go back to India again, if they ever let me in to PH. I already have now four visa stamps of 3 yrs stay in all extension. And suddenly, even the PH immigration does not seem to fancy me too much.

Yeah. This is the Brown skin tax we pay to come to PH as you guys always complain about white tax you pay here. And to top it all. Filipina Heart, DIA, tagged scam have gone up 10 times than last time. What you guys did to Manila I don't know. I'm having hard time getting laid. The girl I brought last night. Just scammed me with her uncle died story the same day BS and all FH, DIA girls hanged me up. I'm going to MBC tonight. Hope it fares better hehehe

Macho Dik
12-04-11, 16:02
Dear All,

After 2 exhaustic day, I try to lay low for a while as I need more energies for my next target place. AC. For clarification to all, MBC price should be st 1500 and LT 2000. When time getting late I think prices will further drop, as I can see many many girls are thirsting to be pick up specially with the bigger numbers of girls everynight. Most of the younger one tends to asked more. But I can see some already offdated should be asking less.

The 2 gals I got the first 2 nights is actually within the market price but I have given them a bit more (or perhaps more more) , as I think they are nice and stay with me very late with of coarse a very GFE touch.

OK, I will be exploring my first landing in AC 2 days from now. Hope I can have a good time. I will stay as wesrt coast is staying, Cnetral park hotel. In fact one of the DIA girl have arrange to meet me on Wednesday, she said she is the waitress at forbiden city. And she are charging 1500p. She said her bf normally is 2000p.

Lastly, how far is the station of Victory liner in dao from fields? I heard it is 20 mins by jeep. Any advise?

Cheers,

MD

RasSpewtin
12-04-11, 17:23
Hello, Mr Dik;

I can see from your message that the last couple of days have been "exhaustic" for you, but I would like to correct you on on point regarding the fees for companionship. I took gals out of MBC this past summer and fall, and long time was never more than 1500. You are best to negotiate that before you take her out of the bar. If she is stunningly beautiful and you are taking her LT in the afternoon or early evening then I could be wrong and you may need to add some coin. But everytime that I barfined in MBC it was in the latter part of the evening and my girlfriend de jour agreed to 1500 Pesos.

Raz.


Dear All,

After 2 exhaustic day, I try to lay low for a while as I need more energies for my next target place. AC. For clarification to all, MBC price should be st 1500 and LT 2000. When time getting late I think prices will further drop, as I can see many many girls are thirsting to be pick up specially with the bigger numbers of girls everynight. Most of the younger one tends to asked more. But I can see some already offdated should be asking less.

The 2 gals I got the first 2 nights is actually within the market price but I have given them a bit more (or perhaps more more) , as I think they are nice and stay with me very late with of coarse a very GFE touch.

OK, I will be exploring my first landing in AC 2 days from now. Hope I can have a good time. I will stay as wesrt coast is staying, Cnetral park hotel. In fact one of the DIA girl have arrange to meet me on Wednesday, she said she is the waitress at forbiden city. And she are charging 1500p. She said her bf normally is 2000p.

Lastly, how far is the station of Victory liner in dao from fields? I heard it is 20 mins by jeep. Any advise?

Cheers,

MD

Tryntry
12-04-11, 17:26
Same on either floor. Upstairs just has a live band (usually very good) and you pay to get in. There are girls in any joint who won't go for those prices. Many gents hit this girl first up, and when she asks 3000 for ST, he is a bit wounded, and counters with 2000 (really he's thinking 1500). Then they dicker, and end up at 2500. The girl is tickled pink. Then the newb posts here saying girls go for 2500 for ST. Really the majority will accept much less. You just need to shop around. If she says something ridiculously high, just walk away.I usually pay 2000 ST but I'm after the younger, IMHO hot girls. They won't come down and get picked up by someone else.

Also, as an Asian in my mid fifties, many of them think I'm local and some won't give me the time of day.

Pute Nut
12-04-11, 17:58
how far is the station of Victory liner in dao from fields? I heard it is 20 mins by jeep. Any advise?More like 5 minutes / 8 pesos jeep ride. Or you can take a trike for 70 (they might try ask for more though) , convienient if you carry luggage.

Cool Traveler
12-04-11, 20:19
Star:

First sorry that you went through hard times there. It is par for the course. Sometimes you get it easy, sometimes it is hard. I am also Indian, but born elsewhere. I have never had problems going through Phillipines. I always found Filipinos are some of the nicest people on the planet. Go there quite a bit. I think it may have more to do with your Indian passport.

Also, please remember that they sometimes confuse your passport with ones from Pakistan. They really don't want the Pakistani's there. One piece of advice, when you go somewhere, don't expect everyone to throw a red carpet invitation. It doesn't happen. Most probably just before you went to the immigration, there was another Indian person who probably had visa problems or passport issues.

I have been traveling extensively for 25 years now. Pretty much have seen it all.

One piece of advise, have a lot of patience. And carry some in reserve. Never ever, lose your cool, as you are in someone else's country. It doesn't matter what color or race you are, I found that even if they start treating you poorly, and if you maitain your cool, and always, always be nice to people, they eventualy are very nice to you back.

If you get into a confrontational situation, walk away fast. Don't ever fight back. Grab the closest taxi you can find. Doesn't matter where you are headed, just get away from the trouble spot. Also, remember, you can always make money. You can never get your freedom or life back once you lose it.

Customs officials will ask a lot of questions if they see something wrong, something fishy. I've have had the same problems getting into India, belive it or not. Answer all your questions as brief as possible. Do not evade. Do not offer anything more than what is asked. Do not banter with immigration or custom officials. They get suspicious. Do not ever be a smart mouth. You do that, and you will sitting there for another hour or two. I was a smart alec, coming into San Francisco, and the moron immigration officer sent me to the longest customs line, and then he came to that customs line, went through every single thing in my bag. He didn't miss a thread.

What I am trying to say is, it is not racial. They saw something in you. You may have looked suspicious. There was something there, that they picked up on.

Always remember, you are in someone else's country. Respect them.

Good luck. I am headed down there the 28th of December, can't wait.

CT.


What a ride, finally made it to Manila, which I thought I would never. I don't know may be it was my dress or constant smile of going to manila or the sex tourist tag. I was picked up from the crowd in Manila as I walked into the immigration counter. They started asking all sorts of questions like why I'm going to manila, how long I will stay, they asked for my return ticket as well as get this yes even my hotel voucher...

IM Punter
12-04-11, 21:16
This is probably a stupid question, but are the bars, MBC, EDSA and malls open Sunday in Manila, or does mongering take a day off?

Macho Dik
12-05-11, 01:27
Hello, Mr Dik;

I can see from your message that the last couple of days have been "exhaustic" for you, but I would like to correct you on on point regarding the fees for companionship. I took gals out of MBC this past summer and fall, and long time was never more than 1500. You are best to negotiate that before you take her out of the bar. If she is stunningly beautiful and you are taking her LT in the afternoon or early evening then I could be wrong and you may need to add some coin. But everytime that I barfined in MBC it was in the latter part of the evening and my girlfriend de jour agreed to 1500 Pesos.

Raz.Thanks for your sharing RS.

I fully agreed prices in MBC may be varies from one another but has to be plus minus around those ranges.

Actually, I have tried with few girls on different time, one is asking 4000p, I just give her a smile and fuck off look!

Some girls ask for 3000p, I have bargained on 2000p for LT and she declined to accept for my counter, and I can see her thayt she rather walk and walk and look and look for new perspective to meet her demand prices even for more than an hour or so. Actually, I just try to see the extend of their acceptance and not really wanting these girls that I try to bargain to the limit.

So, I beleived that once time getting late, they may really accept even for 1500p but for those that mentoned 1000p, I am sure it also can, but for me, those looks old and outdated certainly will.

Just my persoanl comments.

Cheers,

MD

WestCoast1
12-05-11, 01:41
Just my persoanl comments.

Cheers,

MDMD: Tell us a bit more about your time in Manila. How was the City-State tower? Where did you eat? What did you find to do in the daytime? Did you make it to the malls, or get hit on? Do you have any pics to post?

For the-man-of-1000-questions before, your reports are very sparse.

Macho Dik
12-05-11, 01:57
MD: Tell us a bit more about your time in Manila. How was the City-State tower? Where did you eat? What did you find to do in the daytime? Did you make it to the malls, or get hit on? Do you have any pics to post?

For the-man-of-1000-questions before, your reports are very sparse.Hi WC1,

The main purpose of this trip to the Philippines is basically on business. So during day time, I am pre-occupied with meetings and also on some gov't. Docs papers that I will not elaborate further here.

Citistate tower hotel is just find. They have the cheaper rate of 1750 for standard roomn without windows, as they are located in the middle of the building. And at that time, its fully booked. I took the superior premium cost 2600+ incl of 2 breakfast + 1 hr free internet. There is no safety boxes in the room, I find this out after I check in. So I did not put my valuables in the room but at the downstairs where they have general safety boxes. So I did not bring my camera with me as I am afraid if I fall on slepp, things might be stolen. Sorry no picture.

Where I eat? In the morning with my associates, I also eat in some small restaurant like the chowking at the baxk of my hotel, inside Robinson malls (during night) , other than this, I also went to Mall of asia where I reported to meet the girls in DIA who turns our too far from her picture posted there.

I still have few more DIA girld in line but I am trying to find the time to meet them and if ok, I may go for some ST or perhaps LT. But tommorrow, I will be going straight to AC (in case, no sudden changing, as I am waitng some govt paper to be approved, as this is the priority)

Cheers,

MD

Ekspat
12-05-11, 03:29
Lastly, how far is the station of Victory liner in dao from fields? I heard it is 20 mins by jeep. Any advise?You may be dropped at Marquee Mall or Dau.

In case of Marquee Mall you just look for the jeepney to SM Clark. It's another booth right next to the bus stop and 12ps or so.

Dau, you can take a trike right there, don't pay more than 50ps. Or you walk out, go left and cross the street at the fuel station and hop in a jeepney. I usually give 10ps, sometimes I get 2ps change, sometimes not, who cares. Get out of the jeepney when you at McDonalds. It's at the end of Fields.

To Fields it's from Dau roughly 1. 5 kilometers, with light luggage you can even walk.

Cheers!

Starchild2012
12-05-11, 10:06
Wow, what horrible. In the last decade I was 60+ times into the PI, half of my 48 pages of the passport is filled with PI chops. Nobody ever asked me some question, always passed the immigration within a minute. I have EU passport.

Good luck in MBC, man!Yeah. Thats the brown man tax we have to pay to enjoy life in other countries hehehe.


If I read correctly, you are an Indian. The very likely reason you are getting tagged is because they believe you are actually coming to work in some IT-related field. The Philippines are very keen to protect their domestic software industry however they can. It is near impossible to get Indians work visas for IT roles. So an Indian who has traveled multiple times or making long stays is most likely assumed to be circumventing the work visa rules and will be plucked out "randomly" (they will just look for the nice laptop bags of an IT professional) for a nice grilling. That's why you see males and females getting the same treatment because they are both potential IT threats. Now you know how to look the next time you rock up to immigration.

Or it could just be a brown skin thingy hehehe. Good luck in Philippines. Enjoy, ARWow. That makes sense. Yes, I heard this from a taxi guys also, lots of IT guys from India in Manila now, spread all over call center works and yes I had a laptop bag too as a cabin luggage. It seems I was the perfect case for them to pick up on.

If this is the case, it would be hard for me to come the next time as Indian IT guys are coming in bus loads now. Or better I take the clark route.


Star:

First sorry that you went through hard times there. It is par for the course. Sometimes you get it easy, sometimes it is hard. I am also Indian, but born elsewhere. I have never had problems going through Phillipines. I always found Filipinos are some of the nicest people on the planet. Go there quite a bit. I think it may have more to do with your Indian passport.

Also, please remember that they sometimes confuse your passport with ones from Pakistan. They really don't want the Pakistani's there. One piece of advice, when you go somewhere, don't expect everyone to throw a red carpet invitation. It doesn't happen. Most probably just before you went to the immigration, there was another Indian person who probably had visa problems or passport issues.

I have been traveling extensively for 25 years now. Pretty much have seen it all.

One piece of advise, have a lot of patience. And carry some in reserve. Never ever, lose your cool, as you are in someone else's country. It doesn't matter what color or race you are, I found that even if they start treating you poorly, and if you maitain your cool, and always, always be nice to people, they eventualy are very nice to you back.

If you get into a confrontational situation, walk away fast. Don't ever fight back. Grab the closest taxi you can find. Doesn't matter where you are headed, just get away from the trouble spot. Also, remember, you can always make money. You can never get your freedom or life back once you lose it.

Customs officials will ask a lot of questions if they see something wrong, something fishy. I've have had the same problems getting into India, belive it or not. Answer all your questions as brief as possible. Do not evade. Do not offer anything more than what is asked. Do not banter with immigration or custom officials. They get suspicious. Do not ever be a smart mouth. You do that, and you will sitting there for another hour or two. I was a smart alec, coming into San Francisco, and the moron immigration officer sent me to the longest customs line, and then he came to that customs line, went through every single thing in my bag. He didn't miss a thread.

What I am trying to say is, it is not racial. They saw something in you. You may have looked suspicious. There was something there, that they picked up on.

Always remember, you are in someone else's country. Respect them.

Good luck. I am headed down there the 28th of December, can't wait.

CT.I agree, I found Filipinos to be great people and respectable. You are right. I was on cloud nine on my trip and this unexpected stoppage was not on my list. I had planned it a smooth ride. Ph is still a closely guarded destination as many people don't come here as they believe what they see and read on Media regarding violence etc. But if ever they come here and meet Filipinos. They will know the truth.

Mc Don
12-05-11, 10:12
People need to understand that MBC is a freelance joint where the girls will demand whatever they feel they can get from the customer while the customer will try best to get it for less. What westcoaster has been telling you all along is WHAT IS THE USUAL ACCEPTABLE price to 99% of the girls there. If you go in there start buying drinks and be nice to them you will not get any favours back infact expect them to start the bidding at say 5-6000. What I do is I seat for few minutes select few options then call the last option on my list for a chat. I don't buy her a drink. I chat to her few few minutes about anything but price then I politley tell her she is cute but not what I am looking for right now. Then I procede to my target one tell her I was going to take the girl I was talking to unil I saw her. The girl agreed to 1500 if she is ok with that we go right now. It almost always works. If she says no then its target 2 turn.

Like WC said at slow times during the day 1000 is enough. If you are good at pool play you can bet them. 1000 if they win ST if they loose. Good luck.

Starchild2012
12-05-11, 11:11
Wow, what horrible. In the last decade I was 60+ times into the PI, half of my 48 pages of the passport is filled with PI chops. Nobody ever asked me some question, always passed the immigration within a minute. I have EU passport.

Good luck in MBC, man!Yeah. Thats the brown man tax we have to pay to enjoy life in other countries hehehe.


If I read correctly, you are an Indian. The very likely reason you are getting tagged is because they believe you are actually coming to work in some IT-related field. The Philippines are very keen to protect their domestic software industry however they can. It is near impossible to get Indians work visas for IT roles. So an Indian who has traveled multiple times or making long stays is most likely assumed to be circumventing the work visa rules and will be plucked out "randomly" (they will just look for the nice laptop bags of an IT professional) for a nice grilling. That's why you see males and females getting the same treatment because they are both potential IT threats. Now you know how to look the next time you rock up to immigration.

Or it could just be a brown skin thingy hehehe. Good luck in Philippines. Enjoy, ARWow. That makes sense. Yes, I heard this from a taxi guys also, lots of IT guys from India in Manila now, spread all over call center works and yes I had a laptop bag too as a cabin luggage. It seems I was the perfect case for them to pick up on.

If this is the case, it would be hard for me to come the next time as Indian IT guys are coming in bus loads now. Or better I take the clark route.


Star:

First sorry that you went through hard times there. It is par for the course. Sometimes you get it easy, sometimes it is hard. I am also Indian, but born elsewhere. I have never had problems going through Phillipines. I always found Filipinos are some of the nicest people on the planet. Go there quite a bit. I think it may have more to do with your Indian passport.

Also, please remember that they sometimes confuse your passport with ones from Pakistan. They really don't want the Pakistani's there. One piece of advice, when you go somewhere, don't expect everyone to throw a red carpet invitation. It doesn't happen. Most probably just before you went to the immigration, there was another Indian person who probably had visa problems or passport issues.

I have been traveling extensively for 25 years now. Pretty much have seen it all.

One piece of advise, have a lot of patience. And carry some in reserve. Never ever, lose your cool, as you are in someone else's country. It doesn't matter what color or race you are, I found that even if they start treating you poorly, and if you maitain your cool, and always, always be nice to people, they eventualy are very nice to you back.

If you get into a confrontational situation, walk away fast. Don't ever fight back. Grab the closest taxi you can find. Doesn't matter where you are headed, just get away from the trouble spot. Also, remember, you can always make money. You can never get your freedom or life back once you lose it.

Customs officials will ask a lot of questions if they see something wrong, something fishy. I've have had the same problems getting into India, belive it or not. Answer all your questions as brief as possible. Do not evade. Do not offer anything more than what is asked. Do not banter with immigration or custom officials. They get suspicious. Do not ever be a smart mouth. You do that, and you will sitting there for another hour or two. I was a smart alec, coming into San Francisco, and the moron immigration officer sent me to the longest customs line, and then he came to that customs line, went through every single thing in my bag. He didn't miss a thread.

What I am trying to say is, it is not racial. They saw something in you. You may have looked suspicious. There was something there, that they picked up on.

Always remember, you are in someone else's country. Respect them.

Good luck. I am headed down there the 28th of December, can't wait.

CT.I agree, I found Filipinos to be great people and respectable. You are right. I was on cloud nine on my trip and this unexpected stoppage was not on my list. I had planned it a smooth ride. Ph is still a closely guarded destination as many people don't come here as they believe what they see and read on Media regarding violence etc. But if ever they come here and meet Filipinos. They will know the truth.

Sammon
12-05-11, 17:25
Dear All,

After 2 exhaustic day, I try to lay low for a while as I need more energies for my next target place. AC. For clarification to all, MBC price should be st 1500 and LT 2000. When time getting late I think prices will further drop, as I can see many many girls are thirsting to be pick up specially with the bigger numbers of girls everynight. Most of the younger one tends to asked more. But I can see some already offdated should be asking less.

The 2 gals I got the first 2 nights is actually within the market price but I have given them a bit more (or perhaps more more) , as I think they are nice and stay with me very late with of coarse a very GFE touch.

OK, I will be exploring my first landing in AC 2 days from now. Hope I can have a good time. I will stay as wesrt coast is staying, Cnetral park hotel. In fact one of the DIA girl have arrange to meet me on Wednesday, she said she is the waitress at forbiden city. And she are charging 1500p. She said her bf normally is 2000p.

Lastly, how far is the station of Victory liner in dao from fields? I heard it is 20 mins by jeep. Any advise?

Cheers,

MDAll young and pretty girls seems to have a so called mamasan old lady who talks to her first and quickly runs upstairs to be viewed and possibly ST with the Korean quarter.

If she is not picked she will come downstairs and plays the rest of the field.

I spotted one pretty young girl entering and quickly smiled and asked her to come sit with me. She said something like she will be back. I saw her talk to a older lady and quickly go upstairs. In about 15 minutes she is walking out with a Korean guy. Fast track to half hour later she is back. Smiled at me like long lost love and sat with me. By this time I was not interested with her anymore. However I asked why she did not join me before. She said the mamasan makes her do this routine. I thought when LA cafe was renamed all so called mamasans were kicked out. I guess the mamasan wants her cut quickly before these girls become real freelancers.

Devils 1
12-05-11, 17:49
Star:

First sorry that you went through hard times there. It is par for the course. Sometimes you get it easy, sometimes it is hard. I am also Indian, but born elsewhere. I have never had problems going through Phillipines. I always found Filipinos are some of the nicest people on the planet. Go there quite a bit. I think it may have more to do with your Indian passport.

Also, please remember that they sometimes confuse your passport with ones from Pakistan. They really don't want the Pakistani's there. One piece of advice, when you go somewhere, don't expect everyone to throw a red carpet invitation. It doesn't happen. Most probably just before you went to the immigration, there was another Indian person who probably had visa problems or passport issues.

I have been traveling extensively for 25 years now. Pretty much have seen it all.

One piece of advise, have a lot of patience. And carry some in reserve. Never ever, lose your cool, as you are in someone else's country. It doesn't matter what color or race you are, I found that even if they start treating you poorly, and if you maitain your cool, and always, always be nice to people, they eventualy are very nice to you back.

If you get into a confrontational situation, walk away fast. Don't ever fight back. Grab the closest taxi you can find. Doesn't matter where you are headed, just get away from the trouble spot. Also, remember, you can always make money. You can never get your freedom or life back once you lose it.

Customs officials will ask a lot of questions if they see something wrong, something fishy. I've have had the same problems getting into India, belive it or not. Answer all your questions as brief as possible. Do not evade. Do not offer anything more than what is asked. Do not banter with immigration or custom officials. They get suspicious. Do not ever be a smart mouth. You do that, and you will sitting there for another hour or two. I was a smart alec, coming into San Francisco, and the moron immigration officer sent me to the longest customs line, and then he came to that customs line, went through every single thing in my bag. He didn't miss a thread.

What I am trying to say is, it is not racial. They saw something in you. You may have looked suspicious. There was something there, that they picked up on.

Always remember, you are in someone else's country. Respect them.

Good luck. I am headed down there the 28th of December, can't wait.

CT.Absolutely Brilliant CoolTraveller. This should be the first rule that everyone learns about travelling. It applies to everywhere. I am going to print it and stick it to my mirror so that I read it every morning. If I knew how I would post it to "reports of distinction".

Chocha Monger
12-05-11, 20:53
What a ride, finally made it to Manila, which I thought I would never. I don't know may be it was my dress or constant smile of going to manila or the sex tourist tag. I was picked up from the crowd in Manila as I walked into the immigration counter. They started asking all sorts of questions like why I'm going to manila, how long I will stay, they asked for my return ticket as well as get this yes even my hotel voucher, also they said will I get married here, why I take such a long break in PH when I'm so young, am'I going there for work. They also asked I have been in the PH 3 times in four years, what else is there to see in the PH that I have not seen before, that I'm taking such a long vacation here. They also asked if I have any friends. I said yes. They asked again. Indian friends or Filipino. I said both. Like this more irritating questions that I don't remember.

Now I was stumped by many questions. I just smiled and mumbled. Din't know which way to answer as I never thought it would get this hardcore. One more guy joined in and started seeing my passport all over again and asked some questions about my work and my vacation leave, he even asked for my company papers, but I drifted the questions by answering the lady that I like x'mas in the Ph etc some BS.

I was sweating blood as I thought they will deport me back, they stopped me right at the center of immigration arrival and people were looking scared as if they are next. And then some other guy and an Indian lady came by and they left me. Without saying anything. I slowly moved to the immigration.

Similar questions were asked to me at the Mumbai airport as if they were the ones paying for my trip. The lady reluctantly stamped my passport as if she hated to see me go to paradise.

I don't know, may be its an Indian thing or brown skin thingy hehehe. I only saw one westerner being stopped but they were stopping both men and women.

I'm confused, I don't think, if I go back to India again, if they ever let me in to PH. I already have now four visa stamps of 3 yrs stay in all extension. And suddenly, even the PH immigration does not seem to fancy me too much.

Yeah. This is the Brown skin tax we pay to come to PH as you guys always complain about white tax you pay here. And to top it all. Filipina Heart, DIA, tagged scam have gone up 10 times than last time. What you guys did to Manila I don't know. I'm having hard time getting laid. The girl I brought last night. Just scammed me with her uncle died story the same day BS and all FH, DIA girls hanged me up. I'm going to MBC tonight. Hope it fares better heheheStarchild,

Perhaps, you are ignoring an entirely different possibility. It might not have been the 'brown man tax'. In fact, it may have been something much more sinister. Immigration Officer Froilan, was very likely a member of the Illuminati. He was feeding on your fear of being denied entry. He could smell that you were a monger from a mile away. The crocodile grin and approaching the line with your pants looking like a tent probably didn't help either. He could see that you were way too eager drain your precious bodily fluids into the youth seeding them with alien DNA. Most likely, you will be closely watched by agents of the Illuminati during your stay. Any suspicious activity will result in seizure and deportation back to Mumbai. The truth is out there.

As for what happened to Manila and the dating site girls, well when guys feed scammers they multiply. Now many girls just work the internet with the hopes of getting some Western Union money with no intentions of ever meeting. Now that is not an Illuminati conspiracy. It's just what happens when you have a glut of lonely Western men looking for cyber girlfriends. A few of the more daring girls will actually meet foreigners at the mall with the intention of suckering them into buying them an iPod or iPad. With the Christmas holidays fast approaching expect the girls to be a lot more cutthroat.

Sammon
12-06-11, 00:00
Starchild,

Perhaps, you are ignoring an entirely different possibility. It might not have been the 'brown man tax'. In fact, it may have been something much more sinister. Immigration Officer Froilan, was very likely a member of the Illuminati. He was feeding on your fear of being denied entry. He could smell that you were a monger from a mile away. The crocodile grin and approaching the line with your pants looking like a tent probably didn't help either. He could see that you were way too eager drain your precious bodily fluids into the youth seeding them with alien DNA. Most likely, you will be closely watched by agents of the Illuminati during your stay. Any suspicious activity will result in seizure and deportation back to Mumbai. The truth is out there.

As for what happened to Manila and the dating site girls, well when guys feed scammers they multiply. Now many girls just work the internet with the hopes of getting some Western Union money with no intentions of ever meeting. Now that is not an Illuminati conspiracy. It's just what happens when you have a glut of lonely Western men looking for cyber girlfriends. A few of the more daring girls will actually meet foreigners at the mall with the intention of suckering them into buying them an iPod or iPad. With the Christmas holidays fast approaching expect the girls to be a lot more cutthroat.It would appear that since this guy was stopped in Mumbai maybe in these days of heightened security was put on the watchlist. Nowadays there is international transmissions about persons of interest. Maybe in Mumbai his name resembled somebody on the black list. I do not think it is related to mongering or finding job in Phi.

It is also unlikely any of the girls he planned to meet informed the immigration. I have gone to many countries numerous times and apart from few baggage checks never faced questioning. Also I do not think being Indian has nothing to do it. Would like to know why he was stopped in Mumbai and what questions they asked. Why would they worry if he is going to Philippines? Does this guy has a muslim name? If Muslim it will explain lots of things. Both India and Philippines are at war with Islamic militants.

Mc Don
12-06-11, 02:34
Starchild,

You do realise that you MUST have a ticket out of Phils in order to be admited in. Before only CEBU PACIFIC airlines asked for it when checking in but for the FIRST TIME EVER I got asked for mine by Tiger (SEA AIR) in Singapore last week. I didn't have it printed but I knew the date, time and airline after which they checked and put on another slip on my ticket that was to act as my outgoing ticket in case I got asked for it by imigration in Manila. This is my 9th trip this year and I have done in access of 60 over the years. They maybe becoming stricter with Christmas approaching.

Slippery
12-06-11, 03:06
Starchild,

You do realise that you MUST have a ticket out of Phils in order to be admited in. Before only CEBU PACIFIC airlines asked for it when checking in but for the FIRST TIME EVER I got asked for mine by Tiger (SEA AIR) in Singapore last week. I didn't have it printed but I knew the date, time and airline after which they checked and put on another slip on my ticket that was to act as my outgoing ticket in case I got asked for it by imigration in Manila. This is my 9th trip this year and I have done in access of 60 over the years. They maybe becoming stricter with Christmas approaching.McDon:

Perhaps there's a Betty Ford Clinic there where you are as you need to either sober up or learn how to read between the lines in your native language. I do believe you are an Aussie.

StarChild never said he lacked a return ticket to his departure city / country. Of course, I have been following your posts so your want of proficiency in writing might also translate into your want of proficiency in reading. Where did you graduate from 8th grade from?

Macho Dik
12-06-11, 03:28
Went yesterday to a massage parlour in China town located inside the kindome hotel (forget the full name of the hotel). Take #236. Inside room, take off cloths, shower me, mechanical fuck, after finished, some nonsense massage and then pay. Charge: admission (room and so so massage: p1000 + p1000 for the f service. Will not return unless needs some quick draining.

Cheers,

MD

WestCoast1
12-06-11, 03:41
Starchild,

You do realise that you MUST have a ticket out of Phils in order to be admited in. Before only CEBU PACIFIC airlines asked for it when checking in but for the FIRST TIME EVER I got asked for mine by Tiger (SEA AIR) in Singapore last week. I didn't have it printed but I knew the date, time and airline after which they checked and put on another slip on my ticket that was to act as my outgoing ticket in case I got asked for it by imigration in Manila. This is my 9th trip this year and I have done in access of 60 over the years. They maybe becoming stricter with Christmas approaching.On a similar note, the last time I flew from LA to phils, when I checked in at Korean Air in LA, the KA clerk looked over my printed itinerary and passport, then asked how long I was going to be in filipines. I told him 20 days. He looked again at my itinerary, then said: "It appears 22 days sir. You have to have another ticket out. Are you flying out on another airline during your stay? Do you have an extended filipine visa?" Crap! Did I miscalculate my dates? He showed me the itinerary, and by my calculation it was 20 days. I asked him to count the days. He looked worried, and it made me worry: would they deny me boarding the KA flight? He literally called a supervisor, they looked over the itinerary, then their computer screen, then the supervisor pulled out her cell phone, pulled up a calendar, and they counted the days: exactly 20 (I never fly out on the 21'st day, in case of delayed flight, etc). Whew! My point is, they were looking over the visa-less kano itineraries to make sure they didn't go over 21 days. I'm wondering if the airlines who fly tourists in get into trouble with the pilipine government for customers who are overstaying their visa?

Starchild2012
12-06-11, 15:41
Starchild,

Perhaps, you are ignoring an entirely different possibility. It might not have been the 'brown man tax'. In fact, it may have been something much more sinister. Immigration Officer Froilan, was very likely a member of the Illuminati. He was feeding on your fear of being denied entry. He could smell that you were a monger from a mile away. The crocodile grin and approaching the line with your pants looking like a tent probably didn't help either. He could see that you were way too eager drain your precious bodily fluids into the youth seeding them with alien DNA. Most likely, you will be closely watched by agents of the Illuminati during your stay. Any suspicious activity will result in seizure and deportation back to Mumbai. The truth is out there.

As for what happened to Manila and the dating site girls, well when guys feed scammers they multiply. Now many girls just work the internet with the hopes of getting some Western Union money with no intentions of ever meeting. Now that is not an Illuminati conspiracy. It's just what happens when you have a glut of lonely Western men looking for cyber girlfriends. A few of the more daring girls will actually meet foreigners at the mall with the intention of suckering them into buying them an iPod or iPad. With the Christmas holidays fast approaching expect the girls to be a lot more cutthroat.LOL. Perfect. You are a master of words. Super. Perhaps, As with fake alien invasion the illuminati is planning with all propaganda about new found planets with earth like living possibilities its only a matter of time, when the Illuminati declare that Aliens exists and they are planning an attack on earth for resources and the world must unite to defend. Perfect way to start the New World Order. But we know better, as our mother ship is about to land on Palawan to take many of us star beings to 5th dimension.

True, since coming here, I have seen certainly some changes in the whole dating scene. It was not as easy as before. Now this is coming from an Indian guy, who are universally known to not get laid that often with all smelly curry talk around plus kuripot to go with. If its dry at the lowest point. I can imagine, its starting to feel dryer on western man lands which most Asian women prefer.


It would appear that since this guy was stopped in Mumbai maybe in these days of heightened security was put on the watchlist. Nowadays there is international transmissions about persons of interest. Maybe in Mumbai his name resembled somebody on the black list. I do not think it is related to mongering or finding job in Phi.

It is also unlikely any of the girls he planned to meet informed the immigration. I have gone to many countries numerous times and apart from few baggage checks never faced questioning. Also I do not think being Indian has nothing to do it. Would like to know why he was stopped in Mumbai and what questions they asked. Why would they worry if he is going to Philippines? Does this guy has a muslim name? If Muslim it will explain lots of things. Both India and Philippines are at war with Islamic militants.Actually, for Indians, Ph is still a very unknown country, its only IT guys who go there, yet with 1. 2 billion of us, PH is still at the lowest when it comes to tourism. May be in a month or two the immigration gets couple of stamps for PH. The lady immigration officer probably was pissed at her job or something. As she asked unrelated questions like why I have not got married for so long, why I'm still single, why I'm making frequent trips to the PH when 0. 0001% or less Indians know if such a place exist in the world. Something like that. She was surprised I stayed in the PH for so long. I'm a Christian not muslim or hindu.


Starchild,

You do realise that you MUST have a ticket out of Phils in order to be admited in. Before only CEBU PACIFIC airlines asked for it when checking in but for the FIRST TIME EVER I got asked for mine by Tiger (SEA AIR) in Singapore last week. I didn't have it printed but I knew the date, time and airline after which they checked and put on another slip on my ticket that was to act as my outgoing ticket in case I got asked for it by imigration in Manila. This is my 9th trip this year and I have done in access of 60 over the years. They maybe becoming stricter with Christmas approaching.Yes. However, as I mentioned, besides the return ticket, I was also asked to show my hotel voucher at both PH and Indian immigration which never happened before and yes they matched my date with the flight and check out and I thank my stars I did that but I only got 14 days visa instead of 60 days as usual. So I have to go to intramuros to sort this out. Thanks

Inlock
12-06-11, 19:24
This is probably a stupid question, but are the bars, MBC, EDSA and malls open Sunday in Manila, or does mongering take a day off?There's no stupid questions. MBC is open 24/7. Malls are open 7 days a week. And no, mongering in Manila never takes a day off.

Cool Traveler
12-06-11, 20:06
Westcoast, same exact thing happened to me with my flight from LA, but on Asiana. Unfortunately, I made a mistake in my booking. But being a 1K member of United, I was able to fix my tickets right there, and boarded the flight.

I did ask one time, one of the immigration officials. His response was there they started this policy after YOUNG South Korean kids came down to Phillipines and don't go back home. IN S. Korea, when you cross a certain age, you are drafted into the South Korean military. Similar to the national service in Israel and Singapore. Many young Koreans have been using Phillipines for hideout. Parents send them off, and then wire them funds for upkeep.

Thats why you have so many Koreans in Phillipines. And it is growing.

I helped bunch of young Ukrainian kids in Hong Kong airport, as they were stopped from boarding a Cebu Pacific airline because they did not have a return ticket. I sat explained to them, and had them go to the Starbucks in terminal 2, sat on my laptop, and booked them tickets online.

Anyway, you need to have at least an itenary, I guess.

I will be arriving in Manila on the 27th. Hopefully it is not raining.

CT


On a similar note, the last time I flew from LA to phils, when I checked in at Korean Air in LA, the KA clerk looked over my printed itinerary and passport, then asked how long I was going to be in filipines. I told him 20 days. He looked again at my itinerary, then said: "It appears 22 days sir. You have to have another ticket out. Are you flying out on another airline during your stay? Do you have an extended filipine visa?" Crap! Did I miscalculate my dates? He showed me the itinerary, and by my calculation it was 20 days. I asked him to count the days. He looked worried, and it made me worry: would they deny me boarding the KA flight? He literally called a supervisor, they looked over the itinerary, then their computer screen, then the supervisor pulled out her cell phone, pulled up a calendar, and they counted the days: exactly 20 (I never fly out on the 21'st day, in case of delayed flight, etc). Whew! My point is, they were looking over the visa-less kano itineraries to make sure they didn't go over 21 days. I'm wondering if the airlines who fly tourists in get into trouble with the pilipine government for customers who are overstaying their visa?

Mbsl65
12-06-11, 20:16
I thought for a US citizen no visa requirement with 90 days maximum stay. Am I missing something?


On a similar note, the last time I flew from LA to phils, when I checked in at Korean Air in LA, the KA clerk looked over my printed itinerary and passport, then asked how long I was going to be in filipines. I told him 20 days. He looked again at my itinerary, then said: "It appears 22 days sir. You have to have another ticket out. Are you flying out on another airline during your stay? Do you have an extended filipine visa?" Crap! Did I miscalculate my dates? He showed me the itinerary, and by my calculation it was 20 days. I asked him to count the days. He looked worried, and it made me worry: would they deny me boarding the KA flight? He literally called a supervisor, they looked over the itinerary, then their computer screen, then the supervisor pulled out her cell phone, pulled up a calendar, and they counted the days: exactly 20 (I never fly out on the 21'st day, in case of delayed flight, etc). Whew! My point is, they were looking over the visa-less kano itineraries to make sure they didn't go over 21 days. I'm wondering if the airlines who fly tourists in get into trouble with the pilipine government for customers who are overstaying their visa?

Cool Traveler
12-06-11, 20:29
You are right, no need for Phillipine visa. Need the return ticket.


I thought for a US citizen no visa requirement with 90 days maximum stay. Am I missing something?

Robbaf
12-06-11, 22:26
I thought for a US citizen no visa requirement with 90 days maximum stay. Am I missing something?US Citizens can stay 21 days without a visa and your arrive day does not count.

Robb

Cyber Whip
12-06-11, 22:58
US Citizens can stay 21 days without a visa and your arrive day does not count.

RobbInitial entry stamp gets you 21 days, the exact expiration date is stamped in your passport, you can actually do two extensions and stay up to 90 days. The first one gets you to 60 days, the second gets you to 90 days. If you leave even 1 day late from the 60 days, they will route you to a pay window at immigration in airport, charge is about 4300p, (over sight on my part). I don't know the charges if you go over the 60 AND 90 without proper extensions. I know if you stay over 90 days, there could be BIG problems.

I've never had Delta check my itinerary for length of stay before ticketing or ask if I had proper visa. Usually I go for business but just travel there as tourist, with no pre-visa, and use the 21 day then do extensions as needed at BI. I'm US citizen, maybe that has something to do with it but I've never had any problems travelling around PI.

Nomis
12-07-11, 03:51
I put a post on the Cebu forum asking about things to do for New Years and it seems that it is dead there. Any ideas for Manila on New Years? Do all the girls leave here also to go home? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.Most of the girls also go home for the holidays. AC is a better bet. I have been in Manila during Christmas the last 6 years and it has been dead for the P4P bars. Similar with New Years. I will be in manila for Christmas again (due to family) but heading to AC for the new year again. It has been a blast the past 4 years. Even with girls going home for the holiday, there are so many bars that you will have a great time. I usually return to Manila after the new year since many girls come back looking to make money before school starts.

FreebieFan
12-07-11, 04:52
Freshly returned, after a few days of excess, now busy trying to remember the somewhat hazy events of the past few days.

Arrived at Manila airport at the ungodly hour of 4am on Saturday am. Headed to my place to make sure there were no visitors in my apartment then headed out to meet the first of my "ladies" who was waiting for me at the airport.

Miss 19, nice fuller figure for a Pinay, we arrived and were proceeding to bed (in my thoughts) when she advised she's still having her period. Ok can't be helped, so at about 7 am I'm receiving as very nice blow from her. She had been amazing to find on the previous time I had met her, young and passionate, and she still was, but I wasnt as "wowed". She got to do lots of dressing up, but at 1pm we had both run out of things to do, and no honey I'm not taking you shopping. Had to spend a few minutes cleaning up a few drops of blood on the sheets too. So I dropped her at the local mall with taxi money and a small $ gift and set about waiting for the next one.

Next one was Miss 21, a secretary in Ortigas who I had had many chats with. She had indicated to me she was slim and I'd seen her face on cam. She tells me she's waiting outside Mcdo. There I see really cute really slim lady with a big happy smile. She's showing lots of leg in a very short dress (I later found this was her trademark style of dressing. Slightly slutty but clearly she didn't mind being looked at ).

We headed back to my place, where within about 10 minutes were sampling locked lips delight. From there to the bed where I could view this shrimp of a girl properly. 39 kgs and with a 19 inch waist. I go from a girl with a fuller figure to the exact opposite.

I go down on her and she's squealing with delight. Say its first time anyone ever did that. And she says she likes and can I continue. She also tells me I'm the first foreigner she has met for a date.

We do all normal things, (altho there was some overly enthusiastic fingering occurred which resulted in some blood drops again) and she politely asks when she has to leave. She didn't want to outstay her welcome. She gets dropped off by 6pm with a taxi gift as I hope to see her again.

Then I head back to the mall to park my car and to take taxi to Eastwood. In EastwoodIim due to meet an 18 year old, who clearly has been promised meetings with guys who don't show up. Thts why we agree to meet in Eastwood.

Again, had seen Ms 18 on cam and had nice expressive happy face and was happy to talk to. I enjoy walking around Eastwood waiting for her (lots of female talent there too!). She arrives 5 minutes late with a really happy smile, nice tight pants on and a top that indicates its not empty. We get to talk and she necks a bottle of beer quite fast. Ten mins later her head is on the table and she's displaying signs of being drunk.

I suggest we head to a taxi and she readily agrees. In taxi she lies down on my lap with my hand conveniently placed on her boob. We get to my car, where she kisses me drunkenly and passionately. We get to my place, she finds the bedroom, pulls me down and simultaneously starts undressing. Well when presented with a fresh 18 year old puss I know what to do. I eat and she squeals and says (AGAIN!) that no one has ever done that before. And from her squealing it could well be true. We do what we need to do, she falls asleep, I send emails and chat with a few and by midnight I'm done. Thats 3 girls in 18 hours which is enough for me.

The saga continues. Day two. Did some work Sunday am, and get into my stride with a return visit by Ms 21 secretary. I was suppoed to see Ms 22 from alabang, who I had met and bonked on a previous trip. However I realise my schedule was overfull so she was jettisoned. It was a shame as she was hot, but how much can a man do. Later this jettisoned girl started sending abusive texts saying I was just a player and was only interested in sex. Perceptive girl LOL.

Anyways Ms Secretary 22 was smitten and was happy to return. We end up taking a bath and she advises that she has never given a blow. She tries to suck mine but almost chokes herself so maybe its true she never had. Again she politely asks how long she can stay and at 6pm she's dropped off with a dollar gift.

Head to Heritage Hotel where I'm to meet Ms 22 student. We have met a few times before and she's helped me make many memorable videos and some truly pornographic pics. We meet in Heritage as our intention was to find an Edsa bar girl she could play with (her idea her request ). We sit in all the bars and the pickings were real slim. Dogs in almost all. If I had been a single guy I wouldn't have found a single suitable one there) My girl chats to a few girls to see if interested but most just quoted a stupid price of P3000 for ST. So basically we left and went and played together. Lots more pics and videos.

Before my girl left at midnight she starts crying and saying why is it I could pay a bargirl P3000 plus barfine but I only ever gave my girl P1000 or p1500 as a gift. My girl clearly didn't understand that she was being given a gift and that she shouldn't confuse herself with a working girls income. She didn't quite get the difference. She left, and then I got a few " your a nice man, I love you but don't want to see you again" type messages. No probs with me honey, my beds quite full anyway. Oh and she got it in the ass for what she said was first time.

Day 3 meant meeting another Ms 22, a student studying law but also a call centre manager. Drove up to her and saw nice legs and fine face. This one was Ms Chatty. We head to my place where she's happy to dress up in all the gear I have, schoolgirl etc but absolutely refused to let me take any pics. Which is the point of the whole thing. Anyways at some point her phone rings and she takes the call. Comes back all teary eyed and explains that the caller was her mum, begging her not to meet me (the foreigner) as its likely I would want sex and maybe would pay her daughter for it. Right on Mom. We go to bed, girl says she's never been with a foreigner, and she was quite into the sex part. After a few hours I'm quite bored already and she's still talking so I tell her we will go for lunch and I tell her where we will go. She does the classic Filipino " I don't like there ". And so I tell her thats where I'm going and up to her if she comes. I also tell her if someone invites you for lunch its polite to say either thankyou or no thankyou.

Anyways I drop her and give her a $ gift just to spite her Mum LOL. I thought I'd never hear from her again, but ten minutes later I'm getting texts saying how much she loved it and could we meet again tomorrow. Amazing!

Head home do some work and have a sleep. Head to Makati Cinema square at 6 pm to meet a lady I've know for past 2 years. The type I could happily live with or at least take a long vacation with. The type who looks great but thinks she's ugly because she doesn't have the standard Filipina long black hair brown skin look. This girl has fantastic boobs too. Anyways we go for dinner, drinks then lots of smooching. Somewhere along the way sex happens nice and slowly and its really good. Sadly I drop her off in the morning and I know that she will refuse to accept one centavo from me. A really nice girl who I wish had a better life than she does.

From there its a short wait for the Saturday nights 18 year old. She has decided she's in love with me and no sooner have we met again, than she's clutching at me as if I'm a lifebelt on the Titanic. Back to my place and she's naked in a moment. Got some nice vids and pics. She leaves after 3 hours crying like theres no tomorrow.

From there its a final fling with the secretary who is wearing an extremely short blue skirt today and very high heels. She's also in love with me now and tells me. A nice independant girl who I will enjoy drinking with on next trip.

So that was the trip. Best trip of the year and this was trip number 8 for 2011. I had 8 other girls who I was texting and chatting with who I had told I would meet but just didn't have time. They are all now whinging at me on fb, dia, and all the other sites where I find them. They or others will be equally available for next trip. Sadly next trip will not be for at least 10 weeks as lots of domestic grief about me even taking this trip. Anyways Merry Christmas Manila.

Starchild2012
12-07-11, 05:42
Westcoast, same exact thing happened to me with my flight from LA, but on Asiana. Unfortunately, I made a mistake in my booking. But being a 1K member of United, I was able to fix my tickets right there, and boarded the flight.

I did ask one time, one of the immigration officials. His response was there they started this policy after YOUNG South Korean kids came down to Phillipines and don't go back home. IN S. Korea, when you cross a certain age, you are drafted into the South Korean military. Similar to the national service in Israel and Singapore. Many young Koreans have been using Phillipines for hideout. Parents send them off, and then wire them funds for upkeep.

Thats why you have so many Koreans in Phillipines. And it is growing.

I helped bunch of young Ukrainian kids in Hong Kong airport, as they were stopped from boarding a Cebu Pacific airline because they did not have a return ticket. I sat explained to them, and had them go to the Starbucks in terminal 2, sat on my laptop, and booked them tickets online.

Anyway, you need to have at least an itenary, I guess.

I will be arriving in Manila on the 27th. Hopefully it is not raining.

CTYou are a helpful guy CT. Bring an umbrella its raining since I arrived on Dec 2nd, hopefully, in two weeks it should stop. It rains in the evening, when you are about to go bar hoping. Good luck

WestCoast1
12-07-11, 07:35
You are right, no need for Phillipine visa. Need the return ticket.In my case at Korean Airlines in LA, I had the return ticket (complete itinerary) in hand. Also, the clerk had it on his screen. It read something like: Departing July 5, Returning July 25, on Korean Airlines. The clerk somehow misread that as 22 days. His supervisor also had to take a long look at it (that appears 20 days to me) , then check a calendar and count the days. Those koreans were clearly concerned with the idea that a non-Filipino was possibly about to try to enter filipines for more than 21 days.

Sxxxx
12-07-11, 11:15
McDon:

Where did you graduate from 8th grade from?Which begs the question, with a closing sentence like that, where did you graduate from?

Red Kilt
12-07-11, 15:30
Freshly returned, after a few days of excess, now busy trying to remember the somewhat hazy events of the past few days.

Arrived at Manila airport at the ungodly hour of 4am on Saturday am. Headed to my place to make sure there were no visitors in my apartment then headed out to meet the first of my "ladies" who was waiting for me at the airport.

. < SNIP . .

So that was the trip. Best trip of the year and this was trip number 8 for 2011. I had 8 other girls who I was texting and chatting with who I had told I would meet but just didn't have time. They are all now whinging at me on fb, dia, and all the other sites where I find them. They or others will be equally available for next trip. Sadly next trip will not be for at least 10 weeks as lots of domestic grief about me even taking this trip. Anyways Merry Christmas Manila.Fantastic report as always FF.

I am glad you left some for the rest of us. At least. I think you did hahaha.

See you next year. I hope you can survive the next 10 weeks but I am sure it will not be a drought

Macho Dik
12-07-11, 16:17
Due to my damn immigration papers of which I was not able to go to angeles city as planned, so stay in Manila waiting like an assholes everyday for the approval. So last night, I txt margie to meet me at Mall of Asia. Feeling like a gf / bf at the mall, chating, eating outside and then end up a night together again. As I want to be away from Mabini area so we stay at China town, Lido de paris hotel. Room rate P2000 incl of 2 breakfast, nice room and newly renovated. As usual start with long good kissing, full night of sex. Before we left in the next day, I sneak P2000 in her pocket, but she declined to take it and later insisted to return p1000 to me. She said, it is not a sex for pay. This is different from the first night we have been together.

Well, my instinct tell me that it is better to pay than to pay more later on. I think, need to scrap her from my mine, just keep mongering around will be the best idea.

I think if my papers will be approved tommorrow, then I may stay a night in AC or else stict manila this time.

Cheers,

MD

D Cups
12-07-11, 16:30
better to buy a compactable umbrella there. it will get confirep001ed at the airport unless it is in your check-in luggage. learned this the hard way.


you are a helpful guy ct. bring an umbrella its raining since i arrived on dec 2nd, hopefully, in two weeks it should stop. it rains in the evening, when you are about to go bar hoping. good luck

Sammon
12-07-11, 16:48
Initial entry stamp gets you 21 days, the exact expiration date is stamped in your passport, you can actually do two extensions and stay up to 90 days. The first one gets you to 60 days, the second gets you to 90 days. If you leave even 1 day late from the 60 days, they will route you to a pay window at immigration in airport, charge is about 4300p, (over sight on my part). I don't know the charges if you go over the 60 AND 90 without proper extensions. I know if you stay over 90 days, there could be BIG problems.

I've never had Delta check my itinerary for length of stay before ticketing or ask if I had proper visa. Usually I go for business but just travel there as tourist, with no pre-visa, and use the 21 day then do extensions as needed at BI. I'm US citizen, maybe that has something to do with it but I've never had any problems travelling around PI.I have never stayed more than 21 days in Phi. Usually I have the roundtrip tickets from the same airline. There were times when my departure dates were later than 21 days coming back to US. Nobody denied boarding. Usually I will go in between to Hong Kong or China for some meetings and come back to Phi. Although I had copies of these bookings nobody asked me to show. Is this a new requirement on part of the airlines or stricter immigration rules on part of the Phi? Another thing I have noticed is for USA passport holders the immigration people hardly take any time twiddling around with their computers. It took just under a minute for them to stamp and let me go. But I have noticed for others ahead of the line it took quite a long time to clear them.

WestCoast1
12-08-11, 02:20
Due to my damn immigration papers of which I was not able to go to angeles city as planned, so stay in Manila waiting like an assholes everyday for the approval. So last night, I txt margie to meet me at Mall of Asia. Feeling like a gf / bf at the mall, chating, eating outside and then end up a night together again. As I want to be away from Mabini area so we stay at China town, Lido de paris hotel. Room rate P2000 incl of 2 breakfast, nice room and newly renovated. As usual start with long good kissing, full night of sex. Before we left in the next day, I sneak P2000 in her pocket, but she declined to take it and later insisted to return p1000 to me. She said, it is not a sex for pay. This is different from the first night we have been together.

Well, my instinct tell me that it is better to pay than to pay more later on. I think, need to scrap her from my mine, just keep mongering around will be the best idea.

I think if my papers will be approved tommorrow, then I may stay a night in AC or else stict manila this time.

Cheers,

MDDon't be so fast to dump Margie. If she wants to be your gf for a day or two at times for nothing more than meals, let her. Not every filipina is in it for the piso. Buy her some flowers or cheap lingerie. Pay for the meals, drinks, and movie tix.

Slippery
12-08-11, 02:35
[QUOTEsc\=Sxxxx; 1224521]Which begs the question, with a closing sentence like that, where did you graduate from? [/QUOTE\ [I.

A bad public school in Illinois. I guess you didn't get it.

Starchild2012
12-08-11, 11:07
I'm writing this with a heavy heart and a bit tears in my eyes. I never ever thought it would come to this. Excuse to all senior and newbie members alike. Read at your own risk. And sorry for the long post. This is my 7th day here and already, the frustration is beginning to creep in like never before. Mind you. I'm from India a country more poorer and worse than PH as many of you know. So my expectations of everything are way way low in life but the beggers here in the PH have overtaken the Indian beggars by leaps and bounds. You know what I'm talking about. The educated filipina beggar who lives beyond her means compared to the real poor illiterate beggar in India. I'm a two week millionaire. I saved for two yrs and intended to live here for a yr like before. But everything seems to have changed or the place have grown over me or I'm beginning to think more through my brain than dick as I grow older.

Where to start. I'm still searching for a condo that reflects the price. 15000 php 19 m2 condo, where I can't even stretch my legs. Plus 2000 pesos association dues. I have seen dozens of condos and it look like my dogs house back home. So small and the asking price is for a star hotel. What are these guys thinking. They write the ads as if they are selling dream condos but in reality its a doghouse. Guess last time luck was on my side. The first condo I saw I took it. Never had to go through so many sell offs to see how condos look like in Manila.

Second, The taxi rip off. I know we talked it a lot. Even in India, they rip you off. But if you make small talk and seem friendly to the taxi driver and sit in front. They don't usually rip you off as we seem to built a connection. But here. If you talk to a taxi driver. They rip you off more by not giving back the change plus stop you at petrol station but not switch off the meter plus always a silly excuse of traffic BS.

Third, Beware. The FOOD. The dreaded awful food from hell. Filipino, Chinese, thai, Indian, Japanese or tribal or raw. They are all cooked by Filipino chef and don't know what goes in their minds. I almost puked at their Chinese and korean foods. Its none of them and does not matter. Whatever you eat. They all taste bad. And this is coming from an Indian guy. Who eats smelly curry. We have 1000 varieties of food. And yet Filipinos seems to beat us in some of the smelly stuff they make. PLUS the price they charge for small quantities of food is really a crime.

Fourth, ahhh the women for that we are all here for. Now earlier, it wasn't so bad, it was manageable but now. The starting price for a rip off scam is 4000 pesos, bar fine 4000 pesos, DIA date and begging for baby, mother died, sick buffalo on a first date with or without sex is 4000 pesos. I met a very educated girl from Filipina heart the other day. She was really really sophisticated, very charming, never asked for money etc etc her family was well off too. AT FIRST. She sold me all her good qualities and I fell for it and when she knew I'm all over her. She asked for money just for few days which she will return as her friend got into some trouble. Thinking about how she is. I gave her and like a love sick fool I'm texting her all day never to hear from her again. I never thought the girls in the PH would fall this low for money. They are now going for the kill. They are behaving more like animals for money than human beings. I'm an average guy and I would generally tip more to get away from the bad image indians have all over the world.

If you give your hand they will take away your arms and legs too. The desperation here is sickening, even though they are better than 80% of Indians. It got me thinking today. What if I was in their shoes. 'because I came from a poor background lived in ghettos before my father made it. Yet I wouldn't have done things that they did to me for money. There is a rip off in India BUT then there is a RIP OFF in Ph that just sickens my mind even when these girls have so many options. They are for god sake educated. Filipnas think in their minds that they are the most beautiful on earth but they are even worse looking than Indian women yet demand higher price for everything.

Ohh and I forgot. The constant suspicion in bar's and restaurants of giving me the check bin even before I finished eating and drinking. And one guy following me to the loo as if I'm going to escape before paying the bill. This was the final nail in my soul. As if I'm an escaped animal from zoo. Everywhere I go they disrespect me. But they expect me to respect them all the time. Frankly, now I'm scared of all filipina women bars girls to regular girls alike I don't know when they will put their claws in my heart and suck away the money instead of my soul which would have felt better. In India. The rip offs are in your face, there is a chance to get out of it. Here, you will not have any clue untill you are well and truly in her web. Now I know, why many western men. Loose their home and money to filipinas after a while. They just don't see it coming. Its really very subtle here.

What a loser fool I'm to come with my dick mind and be charitable. I should just go back to my animal instinct and treat these wHo*res as B*ctehes. Everything is fucking fake here just like back home. The smile, the talk, the so called respect. Its just to put you into their claws to later suck your hard earned money away. The only difference from home is its more subtle and sophisticated but its still is FAKE AND RIP OFF. Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos.

Sxxxx
12-08-11, 11:33
Which begs the question, with a closing sentence like that, where did you graduate from?

[I. A bad public school in Illinois."Bad public school", explains your lack of class, and poor English, in your unwarranted negative post, aimed at fellow monger, McD.

At least you know yourself, viz, you call yourself : Slippery, LOL.

GoodEnough
12-08-11, 12:20
Starchild:

While I feel your pain I think it's probably an overreaction to the sudden concantenation of recent, unpleasant experiences. There are a few things I can suggest that might change your perspective somewhat:

1. Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;

2. Find a better class of women with whom to hang out and stop worrying about getting laid the first time you lay eyes on them. Cultivate some actual relationships with ladies who appeal to you and whom you meet in stores, in malls, in "normal" clubs, at restaurants or wherever. While you're cultivating these relationships, go to MBC to get laid; no muss, no fuss, and the price is well-established;

3. Remember that Manila is hardly representative of the country. Get out and explore some other places-come to Davao for a while, or CDO, of Cebu or wherever you want. Read the board and pick a place that sounds interesting and go there. The prices will be lower, the ladies just as fine (and with lower expectations by and large) , the air will be fresher, and the people in general will be nicer.

4. Remember that you're going through a predictable cycle. This place is neither as edenic as it appeared during your first trip, not as deplorable as it seems now. The truth is much more balanced and more nuanced.

5. Though the native cuisine here is the worst I've seen outside of the UK, there are plenty of very good restaurants in Manila, and especially in Makati. Granted I've never had decent Chinese food here, but I've had wonderful Italian, French and Thai cuisine albeit in fairly upscale restaurants.

6. I don't know what kinds of places you're frequenting, but I can honestly say I've never been followed to a men's room, been given the check before I finished, or been treated with the suspicion that I might try to sneak away. Get yourself to a better class of establishment, and if you're not going to do that, then confront the guy who is giving you the early check or following you to the toilet, or whatever.

Take a deep breath and reassess, then start planning instead of merely reacting.

GE

Surfer
12-08-11, 16:44
SC: Listen to GE, the wise sage of the PI section of this board. As a general rule, the farther you get from Manila, the better it gets. People are friendlier, costs are lower, scammers less common, vendors less aggressive, taxis more honest etc etc etc. Certainly the air and water are cleaner and the depressing filth and stench of Ermita can be washed off.

There are LOADS of sweet Filipinas in the provinces that are honest and won't fleece you. Beware relying too much on the online dating sites; once you get out in the provinces, regular girls who work in shops (ie have jobs!) are a better target group to find a honeykothan those trolling online who are usually looking to make a Piso or two for their time. The best ones won't even have yahoo messenger or a cellphone! Expensive cellphone=trouble.

You are eating in the wrong places. You can eat very well in Manila. NOT Filipino food. EVER. No need.

Try to turn a negative into a positive, make lemonade out of sour lemons. Being asked to pay as you go avoids check padding which is a good thing! If you immediately pay for any order you will avoid the hurt feelings of them distrusting you.

And buying property in the PI is NOT a wise investment. NOTHING in the PI is a safe investment (even Smart and Globe may eventually face foreign competition).

The PI is a punters paradise, a place to spend money. Trying to earn it there is a risky proposition (unless you are the government business LOL).

So instead of dropping anchor in the most polluted harbor, and Subic is no better, set sail around the archipelago's more than 7, 000 islands. Scratch Luzon off your search zone entirely. Go South man, to Tamil Nadu (I mean Visayas LOL). First stop should be Leyte, the motherlode of GFE.

Sammon
12-08-11, 16:53
Starchild:

While I feel your pain I think it's probably an overreaction to the sudden concantenation of recent, unpleasant experiences. There are a few things I can suggest that might change your perspective somewhat:

1. Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;

2. Find a better class of women with whom to hang out and stop worrying about getting laid the first time you lay eyes on them. Cultivate some actual relationships with ladies who appeal to you and whom you meet in stores, in malls, in "normal" clubs, at restaurants or wherever. While you're cultivating these relationships, go to MBC to get laid; no muss, no fuss, and the price is well-established;

3. Remember that Manila is hardly representative of the country. Get out and explore some other places-come to Davao for a while, or CDO, of Cebu or wherever you want. Read the board and pick a place that sounds interesting and go there. The prices will be lower, the ladies just as fine (and with lower expectations by and large) , the air will be fresher, and the people in general will be nicer.

4. Remember that you're going through a predictable cycle. This place is neither as edenic as it appeared during your first trip, not as deplorable as it seems now. The truth is much more balanced and more nuanced.

5. Though the native cuisine here is the worst I've seen outside of the UK, there are plenty of very good restaurants in Manila, and especially in Makati. Granted I've never had decent Chinese food here, but I've had wonderful Italian, French and Thai cuisine albeit in fairly upscale restaurants.

6. I don't know what kinds of places you're frequenting, but I can honestly say I've never been followed to a men's room, been given the check before I finished, or been treated with the suspicion that I might try to sneak away. Get yourself to a better class of establishment, and if you're not going to do that, then confront the guy who is giving you the early check or following you to the toilet, or whatever.

Take a deep breath and reassess, then start planning instead of merely reacting.

GEI guess India is India and Phi is Phi. You cannot compare all countries according to your expectations of how you should be treated etc. This guy came to Phi for girls. Like anywhere there are decent and scammer girls. It is all live and learn more like a learning curve. Do not come to Phi complaining about everything A-Z. When you move frome one country to the other whether short time or long you need to have a flexible attitude. Not everything is going to be hunky dory.

There are excelent restaurents in Manila including Chinese. Chinese food is prepared differently in different countries according to local taste. You would not find Indian or American Chinese food everywhere. I found Korean food also decent in Manila.

But in smaller places like AC the food was not great. I have met friendly girls as well as scammers. Leave the scammers and develop a friendly relation with others. Remember that they are in it for money. Do not expect they will be your fuckbuddies without anything in return. Those things only happen in western world. Even here some gifts are appreciated. I doubt very much people follow you to the rest room thinking you will escape without paying. Ofcourse they will stop you if you forget to pay. I have gone outside restaurent to talk on the phone and nobody followed me thinking I am running out without paying.

If this guy is very unhappy in Philippines the best advice I can give him is go back home and never come back.

Macho Dik
12-08-11, 17:33
Don't be so fast to dump Margie. If she wants to be your gf for a day or two at times for nothing more than meals, let her. Not every filipina is in it for the piso. Buy her some flowers or cheap lingerie. Pay for the meals, drinks, and movie tix.Hi West coast 1,

Thanks for your advise. You are right, Margie is not a regular of MBC, she invited me to meet her sister and also she is really applying her job for overseas. She want to be away from this place and I think her previous unsuccessful life of meeting a wrong guy that get her pregnant has been a deep wound of her. She not even letting this guy to know he has fathered her child. It is sometime a sad stories that I can feel her story is true.

This is also one thing that I want to let her know I am a person can not be trusted or expected to married her or give her a family. I respect this girl, so sorry for those that send me pm asking for her number. I can not share this one, since it will be meaningless for my respect on her and I will become a liability for her to be get out of this place.

Cheers,

MD

Chocha Monger
12-08-11, 18:41
Starchild,

I see the Illuminati frustrated your efforts to drain your precious bodily fluids. You have experienced great frustration and angst in your quest for sexual release. Now your senses are becoming more aware of the reality of searching for sex, love and companionship in one of the Third World's megacities. As in any gigantic slum, people tend to cast off the cloak of civility and revert to their animal nature. It's all about survival in the jungle of poverty. Filipinas are possibly the world's most predatory women. The sweetness and docile loving demeanor are all an act to draw your wallet within striking range. Never let your heart get into it. When you show kindness and charity they see it as weakness. Many foreign men visiting and residing on a long term basis have learned to limit interaction with the local population. Others deal with the Filipinas by giving them nothing more than cash for ass. They make it through the sea of lies and deceit by keeping a cold heart and a hard dick. The more ruthless ones go native and use the girls' tactics against them. In other words, they promise them whatever it takes to fill all of their orifices with sperm then seem to mysteriously vanish without any of the promises materializing.

When asked why many of their countrywomen have no shame in asking foreign men for cash, Filipinas often reply it is because they do not respect foreigners and think that they can be easily fooled. So, there you go. Open up your wallet and be taken for a fool. Read Dragon Slayer's forum, you will see his post about a Filipina who actually blamed him for being foolish enough to send her money. The behavior goes beyond ingratitude. If they were only ungrateful for your charity it would not be so bad but being considered a fool for giving it to them in the first place is even worse.

Keep in mind that the holiday season is now here and Filipinas' predatory nature goes into overdrive to get money to buy those high priced consumer electronics way out of their income bracket. Most seasoned mongers disappear from the Philippines and online during this period of joyful fleecing. You might want to put your Indian entrepreneurial spirit to work and turn their intense greed for cash during this time to your advantage. You should bargain hard and go for short time release instead of the typical fake GFE. Since you've already expended unrecoverable cash in traveling to the Philippines perhaps you should try to salvage your trip first. However, I certainly wouldn't blame you if you decided to flee with what remains of your fleece.

Carlos3000
12-08-11, 18:45
"Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos."

Starchild,

I know that your post was a vent resulting from a confluence of hassles. I don't think I can add anything substantive to the very sage advice given by GE and Surfer in regards to the Phils. My questions to you is why do you want to spend your hard earned money in a place where you're treated like trash? Big deal some putas in the Phils and Thailand do not care for Indians. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find mongering destinations in Asia and elsewhere where you will be treated with consideration and respect. Brazil is one that comes to mind, unless of course you like being treated like trash.

Sxxxx
12-08-11, 21:57
Starchild.

Never let your heart get into it. When you show kindness and charity they see it as weakness. Others deal with the Filipinas by giving them nothing more than cash for ass. They make it through the sea of lies and deceit by keeping a cold heart and a hard dick. The more ruthless ones go native and use the girls' tactics against them. In other words, they promise them whatever it takes to fill all of their orifices with sperm then seem to mysteriously vanish without any of the promises materializing.Master Monger, Chocha, you are one of few wise Sages on this Forum.

We bow before ye, in honour and respect, for guiding us ever forward to our next pussy assignment. Definitely a report of Distinction, but alas the doomsayers will come forward and deride you, in the hopes of elevating themselves. Not so, for there is only Master monger of your calibre, willing to ignore the stone throwers, sacrifice ones self esteem and ego, for the benefit of the monger masses. Continue on with your good work. We enjoy reading your philosophical approach, to a mostly unphilosophical subject, viz, drilling the cunning, wily, and friendly Filipinas, LOL.

Screaming Beaver
12-08-11, 23:13
I'm writing this with a heavy heart and a bit tears in my eyes.

I have seen dozens of condos and it look like my dogs house back home.

Second, The taxi rip off. They rip you off more by not giving back the change plus stop you at petrol station but not switch off the meter plus always a silly excuse of traffic BS.

Third, Beware. The FOOD. The dreaded awful food from hell. And this is coming from an Indian guy. Who eats smelly curry.

Fourth, I gave her and like a love sick fool I'm texting her all day never to hear from her again. I never thought the girls in the PH would fall this low for money. They are now going for the kill. They are behaving more like animals for money than human beings.

If you give your hand they will take away your arms and legs too.

Ohh and I forgot. The constant suspicion in bar's and restaurants of giving me the check bin even before I finished eating and drinking. And one guy following me to the loo as if I'm going to escape before paying the bill. This was the final nail in my soul. As if I'm an escaped animal from zoo. Everywhere I go they disrespect me.

What a loser fool I'm to come with my dick mind and be charitable. Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos.Wow, sounds like it's pretty rough being a Hondu in Manila. I also had tears in my eyes while reading this hilarious report. Good luck in Thailand Swami.

GoodEnough
12-09-11, 00:28
I suspect that the general characterization of Filipinas a "predatory women" is being argued strongly by part-time tourists; by guys who don't live here. Those of us who do take, I think, a slightly more nuanced view of the female population. This isn't meant to disparage anyone's point of view, but the fact is that guys who meet women by trolling the Internet, hitting P4P bars or searching dating sites don't really get to meet a slightly higher class of woman. I mean, what do you expect from women who get naked and start sucking you off within an hour of meeting you? Are these the sorts of women that you would "take home to mama" if you met them in your own country? Why assume it's any different here?

The fact is, there are lots of caring, giving Filipinas, interested in more than 2 hours of bed-time frollicking, and they're easy to meet if you raise your sights slightly. I'm not disparaging anyone who looks to score as many women in as short a time as possible, but why be surprised when the women you find are driven by greed, in much the same way you're driven to put another notch in your belt?

GE

Dashing Don
12-09-11, 04:46
Starchild, you need to smarten up. You sound like a total pussy. 'Tears in your eyes' etc. No real monger talks like that. Stop thinking and start fucking. Too bad this is cyberspace otherwise I'd throw my shoes at yah. A smelly pair too!

GE offers intelligent advice as always, but it comes from living there. But who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit, with the child support, the lawyers and alimony. No way. No fucking way. Thats why we come to the Phils. We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. To hell with western civilization. And I actually have to spell this out?

First job of a monger is to deplane with a hard cock. And spring into action. Forget 'we are the world'. Start humping and hoin'. Busting sphincters, massive loads deposited etc. When the trip is over, we go back to civilization and assume that false mantle of respectability. Some of us don't even do that. We get back and immediately get into cyber wars with charlatans like Surfer while we rebuild our bank accounts and get ready for the next trip. Shallow? Sure! Give a fuck? Nah! Predictable? Fuck yeah!

Don

Screaming Beaver
12-09-11, 05:06
We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed.I could not have said it better. Welcome back DD. Good to see somebody other than CM making sense on this board.

GoodEnough
12-09-11, 05:27
Starchild, you need to smarten up. You sound like a total pussy. 'Tears in your eyes' etc. No real monger talks like that. Stop thinking and start fucking. Too bad this is cyberspace otherwise I'd throw my shoes at yah. A smelly pair too!

GE offers intelligent advice as always, but it comes from living there. But who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit, with the child support, the lawyers and alimony. No way. No fucking way. Thats why we come to the Phils. We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. To hell with western civilization. And I actually have to spell this out?

First job of a monger is to deplane with a hard cock. And spring into action. Forget 'we are the world'. Start humping and hoin'. Busting sphincters, massive loads deposited etc. When the trip is over, we go back to civilization and assume that false mantle of respectability. Some of us don't even do that. We get back and immediately get into cyber wars with charlatans like Surfer while we rebuild our bank accounts and get ready for the next trip. Shallow? Sure! Give a fuck? Nah! Predictable? Fuck yeah!

DonDon't hang back Don. Tell us what you really think! Great post, and I've got no problems with anyone who wants to do this. Hell, it's the way I lived for years. But if that's what the Starchild wants to do, as I suggested earlier, he should get himself to MBC where there are no false expectations, no mamasans (to speak of) , no ladies drinks, no barfines and pre-sex flatter required, and just pick one, or two or whatever, and go to it. If there's no one appealing on offer at MBC, head over to GPoint or to Amazonia or to other "in your face" bars. Personally, I think anyone who pays a huge barfine plus a huge "tip" at the Burgos bars is crazy, but some guys like the places and, since there's no luck involved, they do present another alternative.

GE

Starono
12-09-11, 06:52
Anyone know the barfines for the ktvs? For example, Asia entertainment complex. I know the rates are 500 / hour in addition to GRO fees, etc. But how much is the actual barfine and how much is tip usually for the girl? I know it's expensive, but how much are we talking about?

Sxxxx
12-09-11, 07:30
Philippines.who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit . We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. DonNow that is talking. Refreshing from the hype artists who pontificate on this Forum. This is a pay for sex site, not a marriage Forum, LOL. Yes, welcome back Dashing Don. Frankness is what we are seeking, not hype. More please.

FurryFriend
12-09-11, 12:58
Everything is fucking fake here just like back home. The smile, the talk, the so called respect. Its just to put you into their claws to later suck your hard earned money away.One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.

D Cups
12-09-11, 14:44
Hi Furry, I disagree with you. I lived in the PI in the 80s and had the time of my life. I plan on retiring there in less than 10 years and raising a family. It is a beautiful country, affordable, speaks English, and has great food and culture, moreso than the other 20+ countries I have visited worldwide. I am well educated and do not lack social skill or any of the other maladies you suggest. Moreover, I've met several expats of my caliber who enjoy the PI a whole lot, too. It is not a perfect country but what country is?


One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.

Gangles
12-09-11, 17:05
FF, I usually travel to the Phils for sporting reasons, and because of that, I get to meet quite a lot of expats who live there.

I make a point of asking them why they life in the Phils, (or Thailand, or Cambodia) , and the most common reason that I get is that they had to get away from the nanny state, which now intrudes into every part of their lives, and controls every action, including the most basic activities in everyday life.

And that is the reason why I am about to pack up and move to the Phils also.

Of course, without the total protection that you get in the nanny state, life can be a bit more risky. Maybe you will be ripped off here and there.

But at least inthe Phils you can enjoy a much higher level of freedom than in the average western country.

My country is now a police state. Try a simple experiment. Stand on any street corner in the downtown area of where you live. Over a periiod of say 4 hours, count the number of police that you see.

Now, do the same on any street corner in any city in the Phils. You will see many less.

And remember, a police officer is any person who has power of arrest, not just uniformed police.

In my country, people are very law abiding, but they abide by the law out of fear of being caught by the police, not out of any inherent sense of community, or responsibility.

In my country, every transaction that you make at a bank is monitored, every email is recorded and scanned, every phone call the same. Your life is not your own any more.

We are afrais of everything. Being fried with global warming, being over-run by illegal immigrants and refugees, the ever spreading threat of islam, destruction of the environment.

In asinn coun tries, they don't care about thism stuff. It is not something that they are afraid of.

There was a very interesting article in Foreign Affairs which encapsulated the feelings that I had, but could not express. The author said that there are three dominant psyches in the world.

In the west, the dominant psyche is fear.

In Asia, the dominant psyche is hope.

In the islamic world, the dominant psyche is humiliation.

She nailed it. Absolutely right.

Of course, if your time in the Phils consists of short visits for the purpose of as much commercial sex as possible, then you never get to meet real filipinos, never get any feel for the real country, never get to understand the nature of a very nice people. You only ever get to see the underbelly.

For your consideration.

G.


One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.

Robbaf
12-09-11, 22:59
FF, I usually travel to the Phils for sporting reasons, and because of that, I get to meet quite a lot of expats who live there.

I make a point of asking them why they life in the Phils, (or Thailand, or Cambodia) , and the most common reason that I get is that they had to get away from the nanny state, which now intrudes into every part of their lives, and controls every action, including the most basic activities in everyday life.

And that is the reason why I am about to pack up and move to the Phils also.

Of course, without the total protection that you get in the nanny state, life can be a bit more risky. Maybe you will be ripped off here and there.

But at least inthe Phils you can enjoy a much higher level of freedom than in the average western country.

My country is now a police state. Try a simple experiment. Stand on any street corner in the downtown area of where you live. Over a periiod of say 4 hours, count the number of police that you see.

Now, do the same on any street corner in any city in the Phils. You will see many less.

And remember, a police officer is any person who has power of arrest, not just uniformed police.

In my country, people are very law abiding, but they abide by the law out of fear of being caught by the police, not out of any inherent sense of community, or responsibility.

In my country, every transaction that you make at a bank is monitored, every email is recorded and scanned, every phone call the same. Your life is not your own any more.

We are afrais of everything. Being fried with global warming, being over-run by illegal immigrants and refugees, the ever spreading threat of islam, destruction of the environment.

In asinn coun tries, they don't care about thism stuff. It is not something that they are afraid of.

There was a very interesting article in Foreign Affairs which encapsulated the feelings that I had, but could not express. The author said that there are three dominant psyches in the world.

In the west, the dominant psyche is fear.

In Asia, the dominant psyche is hope.

In the islamic world, the dominant psyche is humiliation.

She nailed it. Absolutely right.

Of course, if your time in the Phils consists of short visits for the purpose of as much commercial sex as possible, then you never get to meet real filipinos, never get any feel for the real country, never get to understand the nature of a very nice people. You only ever get to see the underbelly.

For your consideration.

G.G,

If you do see a police officer on the street, it may be because he is shaking you down. My bag was stolen in Plantation bay and when they called the police they showed up with "nothing" to take a report (pen, paper.). I read an article last month that stated only 50% of the police are armed, because of no funds.

If you have a accident and an ambulance is called, it will be empty of life saving supplies.

A simple transaction in the bank here can take an hour or more.

I agree you have more freedom here, but with that freedom comes no rights. I always thought that I would want to retire here, but after living and working here for the last five years, I am looking to move on and only come back as a two week tourist and enjoy the Philippines for what it is.

Robb

GoodEnough
12-10-11, 00:51
The posts of Gangles and Robb capture neatly the alpha and omega of living here: on the one hand, Gangles is correct, there's more freedom, less paranoia, less fear. On the other hand, Robb is correct in that in exchange for the increased freedom you must deal with astounding levels of corruptions, inefficiency, lack of adequate medical care and the rest of the conditions that make the third world the third world. Thailand, I think, comes closer to achieving a balance between the two extremes and the food is a hell of a lot better as well.

GE

Mahaba
12-10-11, 03:05
The posts of Gangles and Robb capture neatly the alpha and omega of living here: on the one hand, Gangles is correct, there's more freedom, less paranoia, less fear. On the other hand, Robb is correct in that in exchange for the increased freedom you must deal with astounding levels of corruptions, inefficiency, lack of adequate medical care and the rest of the conditions that make the third world the third world. Thailand, I think, comes closer to achieving a balance between the two extremes and the food is a hell of a lot better as well.

GEI first went to the Philippines in 1976 as a young sailor and lived there nearly three years. I have returned several times since on vacations and plan another trip in February. It's a great place for a western tourist with a western salary, but it sucks to be a local.

It's great to visit as a tourist, but living there would be too much for me to handle. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed since 1976. Same corruption, inefficiency, frustrated youth, extreme poverty, walled-in homes with armed security guards, and long lines at the US Embassy. Getting a public sector employee to do anything requires a bribe, then you find yourself at the head of the line.

There seems to be something fundamentally wrong with the place. I think it may be a "corruption mentality" that pervades every element of society. For example in the 1980's Southeast Asia was doing pretty well with the exception of the Philippines. I recall a news article at the time that noted that the Philippines had managed to exclude itself from the prosperity the rest of the region was experiencing. Something that would have taken a lot of effort at the time.

Later on, the Philippine Government decided to play hardball with US military base lease renewal negotiations while we were closing bases in the USA. So the USA walked away from the table and gave them the land back. Shortly after the Clark Air Base closed, locals looted the only world-class fully equipped hospital in the country, stripping it bare. Subic fared a little better, as the Navy turned the place over a room at a time, fully inventoried and signed for. Mayor Gordon than posted security guards.

It is interesting that Filipinos residing in western countries are considered extremely hard-working, reliable people with excellent family values. So it's not the people per se causing the problem, it's the system they are forced to live with.

When I visit, I'm there for the women. Full stop. The cheap accommodation, cheap food, warm weather and visual effects help, but are not enough on their own for me to make the trip. The women however are fun to mix it up with and put on a good act, ever on the lookout for a 50-year old tourist, ready to believe he is the true love the 20-year old hostess and her entire extended family have been waiting for.

GoodEnough
12-10-11, 03:27
It's difficult to disagree with the generalizations about this place expressed by several recent, highly articulate members of this illustrious forum. This is not, for many if not most foreigners, an easy place in which to live. The comments made by others however, reinforce a perception gleaned from years of living outside of my own country, and interacting, during that period with hundreds of expatriates. Perhaps my conclusion is erroneous, but I believe that most people-at least most Westerners-aren't comfortable living abroad. This is not meant as a derogatory comment, but as an attempt to share the perception that there's a certain, recognizable personality type who can thrive living in countries that are not their own, and that those without such personality characteristics get uncomfortable quickly if they remain too long outside of their comfort zone.

I'm in a business, or perhaps a sector in which expatriation is a condition of employment, and I've gotten to the point that I can usually accurately predict-when I meet idealistic younger people-who will survive and who won't; who has the "right" personality and who does not. Again, I'm not implying that those who are quite happy to live abroad are "better" than anyone else; just that it takes a different sort of personality to spend one's life as an expatriate. Those whose personalities do not conform to this pattern, will not remain happy long here as anything other than tourists. Those of us who have lived here for a while are not unaware of the corruption, inefficiency, scams, and general hopelessness of the place, but manage to thrive nonetheless both by accepting that we can't change anything fundamental, and by carving out a life for ourselves that we find satisfying. Succumbing to the anger and frustration that this country induces in many would doom many of us to a life of perpetual, or at least long-term unhappiness. Thus, many of us find ways of circumventing these feelings, at least most of the time.

GE

Tally Wacker
12-10-11, 06:55
Starchild, you need to smarten up. You sound like a total pussy. 'Tears in your eyes' etc. No real monger talks like that. Stop thinking and start fucking. Too bad this is cyberspace otherwise I'd throw my shoes at yah. A smelly pair too!

GE offers intelligent advice as always, but it comes from living there. But who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit, with the child support, the lawyers and alimony. No way. No fucking way. Thats why we come to the Phils. We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. To hell with western civilization. And I actually have to spell this out?

First job of a monger is to deplane with a hard cock. And spring into action. Forget 'we are the world'. Start humping and hoin'. Busting sphincters, massive loads deposited etc. When the trip is over, we go back to civilization and assume that false mantle of respectability. Some of us don't even do that. We get back and immediately get into cyber wars with charlatans like Surfer while we rebuild our bank accounts and get ready for the next trip. Shallow? Sure! Give a fuck? Nah! Predictable? Fuck yeah!

DonDashing Don you sound like you've reached the age where you don't backdown from a challenge. The Philippines are a place where you know how to make things happen. So why whould you let erectile disfunction get in your way? Isn't it time you talked to your Doctor about your problem?

Cunning Stunt
12-10-11, 07:19
Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;Hahaha – I take you haven't been to India recently. Apart from some slight improvements in certain areas (such as restaurants and the infamous Indian bureaucracy) , the place is as third world and chaotic as you can get. If an Indian is moaning about the third worldliness of The Philippines then things must really be getting bad here or else he is having a laugh.

I reckon that in 10 years time, you won't be able to walk 10 yards without bumping into a horny young Indian man in places such as Pattaya and who knows, maybe Angeles. Take uncounted million repressed and sexually deprived males from a famously conservative country, where most females don't put out until they get a ring on their finger, and give them a little disposable income and cheap budget flights to pussy heaven and what do you get. Mass exodus. The writing is already on the wall. On my most recent trip to Pattaya, I was astonished at the numbers of Indians mooching around Beach Road and Walking Street trying to pull reluctant and unwilling girls. For unfortunately many exhibit the worse traits of lower caste Indians, namely aggressiveness, rudeness and uncouthness all of which are anathema to the Thais. And according to the girls they are also cheap and often none too clean. A recipe for disaster?

I suggest Starchild packs his cares and woes and takes his sorry ass off to Thailand, preferably Pattaya where his money will stretch further and he can let his libido off its leash to run wild and free amongst the lovelies there, that is provided he can catch one:D.

Macho Dik
12-10-11, 08:37
Dear All,

Last night, myself are able to stay a bit longer in MBC, as I have a good time talking with a nice lady by the name of cherry. As we are talking, I have observed the following:

1) competition of MBC girls are too high, I have seen that some have been there for too long not being taken by the customers yet.

2) most of the customers only stay there buying drink and talking and mostly leaving without taken out any girls.

3) the MBC girls are not entertaining or at least avoiding nationals like their own compatriot and K*r**and. Why? After my interrogation, they told me that:

A) their own compatriot are too horny, sometimes wanted to have 2 shots or more during ST session. And they ask to do so many abnormal sex practices.

B) K*r** nationals: mostly don't. Honoured what they have been agreed. And after the deeds they try to bargain down prices.

(above is just what they told me 100% from those girls, so merely passing info but no offend to other person of the mentioned nationals)

4) the most welcome nationals to them is: J***n, because they pay good price to them.

5) I also have observed that those who has go for ST has come back to the shop for next customers.

6) there is still some mommies around. I wonder if the MBC management knows this. And normally, they bring nice cute girls going to the upstair for only J***n customers.

7) at late night, they will accept your price, they told me that it is better than nothing. As they are required to pay a cocktail drink for staying there. And I have seen there are 2 supervisors are chasing them to pay inorder to be able to stamped on their hand (like a passes) even to the extend they don't. have any guest. for them 90pesos is quite an amount of money.

Again, the above are only for your informations, nothing whatsoever to initiate some debate specially by those mentioned nationals, I mean not all peopl of the mentioned nationals are like that (I have replaced some letter with *)

Cheers,

MD

X Man
12-10-11, 10:47
This makes a lot of sense and it answers a question I've long had. When you go to an overseas US military installation, they seem to make it into a little America. When in the military, I couldn't wait to get off the base in order to explore the country. Some guys would never make it past the on-base club! But I guess this type of "little America" system better suits the majority who may not be suited to living overseas. Thanks for the insight GE. X, happily living outside the "comfort zone"


It's difficult to disagree with the generalizations about this place expressed by several recent, highly articulate members of this illustrious forum. This is not, for many if not most foreigners, an easy place in which to live. The comments made by others however, reinforce a perception gleaned from years of living outside of my own country, and interacting, during that period with hundreds of expatriates. Perhaps my conclusion is erroneous, but I believe that most people-at least most Westerners-aren't comfortable living abroad. This is not meant as a derogatory comment, but as an attempt to share the perception that there's a certain, recognizable personality type who can thrive living in countries that are not their own, and that those without such personality characteristics get uncomfortable quickly if they remain too long outside of their comfort zone.

*snip*

GE

Starchild2012
12-10-11, 11:54
Starchild:

While I feel your pain I think it's probably an overreaction to the sudden concantenation of recent, unpleasant experiences. There are a few things I can suggest that might change your perspective somewhat:

1. Stop comparing this place to India. First, your "India is poorer" assumption is incorrect by quite a wide margin. I forget the comparitive per capita GDP figures, but it's not even close. The fact is that India, for all its problems, is a country with a rapidly expanding economy and it's clearly moving in the right direction. Relative to other SE Asian economies, the only direction this place moves is down;

2. Find a better class of women with whom to hang out and stop worrying about getting laid the first time you lay eyes on them. Cultivate some actual relationships with ladies who appeal to you and whom you meet in stores, in malls, in "normal" clubs, at restaurants or wherever. While you're cultivating these relationships, go to MBC to get laid; no muss, no fuss, and the price is well-established;

3. Remember that Manila is hardly representative of the country. Get out and explore some other places-come to Davao for a while, or CDO, of Cebu or wherever you want. Read the board and pick a place that sounds interesting and go there. The prices will be lower, the ladies just as fine (and with lower expectations by and large) , the air will be fresher, and the people in general will be nicer.

4. Remember that you're going through a predictable cycle. This place is neither as edenic as it appeared during your first trip, not as deplorable as it seems now. The truth is much more balanced and more nuanced.

5. Though the native cuisine here is the worst I've seen outside of the UK, there are plenty of very good restaurants in Manila, and especially in Makati. Granted I've never had decent Chinese food here, but I've had wonderful Italian, French and Thai cuisine albeit in fairly upscale restaurants.

6. I don't know what kinds of places you're frequenting, but I can honestly say I've never been followed to a men's room, been given the check before I finished, or been treated with the suspicion that I might try to sneak away. Get yourself to a better class of establishment, and if you're not going to do that, then confront the guy who is giving you the early check or following you to the toilet, or whatever.

Take a deep breath and reassess, then start planning instead of merely reacting.

GEThanks for the tips GE. I have been following on your journey in the PH for over 7 years now, guess I just lost it for a while, being frustrated in India for two yrs without getting laid and momentarily, being snapped by the behaviors of some like back home. Yeah. I need to lock my heart away and toughen up. Guess I just need to be patient here.


SC: Listen to GE, the wise sage of the PI section of this board. As a general rule, the farther you get from Manila, the better it gets. People are friendlier, costs are lower, scammers less common, vendors less aggressive, taxis more honest etc etc etc. Certainly the air and water are cleaner and the depressing filth and stench of Ermita can be washed off.

There are LOADS of sweet Filipinas in the provinces that are honest and won't fleece you. Beware relying too much on the online dating sites; once you get out in the provinces, regular girls who work in shops (ie have jobs!) are a better target group to find a honeykothan those trolling online who are usually looking to make a Piso or two for their time. The best ones won't even have yahoo messenger or a cellphone! Expensive cellphone=trouble.

You are eating in the wrong places. You can eat very well in Manila. NOT Filipino food. EVER. No need.

Try to turn a negative into a positive, make lemonade out of sour lemons. Being asked to pay as you go avoids check padding which is a good thing! If you immediately pay for any order you will avoid the hurt feelings of them distrusting you.

And buying property in the PI is NOT a wise investment. NOTHING in the PI is a safe investment (even Smart and Globe may eventually face foreign competition).

The PI is a punters paradise, a place to spend money. Trying to earn it there is a risky proposition (unless you are the government business LOL).

So instead of dropping anchor in the most polluted harbor, and Subic is no better, set sail around the archipelago's more than 7, 000 islands. Scratch Luzon off your search zone entirely. Go South man, to Tamil Nadu (I mean Visayas LOL). First stop should be Leyte, the motherlode of GFE.Yeah. I agree. I should have landed in Cebu, like before, one strike and you are out. I'm still planning to go to Cebu or stay here. I invested too many contacts in Manila. I'm still criss crossed. Thanks for the advice.


I agree your with assessment although it is disconcerting to see you have a change of heart after your posts from years ago were dare I say much more upbeat.

Pay no attention to the flip-floppers who will construct post after post about why you are wrong and overreacting when they themselves have posted similar rants in the past.Thanks the hope. Buddy. I had too many craps going on back home and my mind just wanted to relax. The trip was bad from the start when I was picked at the airport in Mumbai as well as Manila. And I had real bad time getting a visa and add to that the immigration only put 14 days instead of 2 months. For that I have to go again to immigration to sort it out or rather pay up 7500 pesos. Plus I'm still searching for a condo now. Compared to last time when everything worked out perfectly.


Starchild,

I see the Illuminati frustrated your efforts to drain your precious bodily fluids. You have experienced great frustration and angst in your quest for sexual release. Now your senses are becoming more aware of the reality of searching for sex, love and companionship in one of the Third World's megacities. As in any gigantic slum, people tend to cast off the cloak of civility and revert to their animal nature. It's all about survival in the jungle of poverty. Filipinas are possibly the world's most predatory women. The sweetness and docile loving demeanor are all an act to draw your wallet within striking range. Never let your heart get into it. When you show kindness and charity they see it as weakness. Many foreign men visiting and residing on a long term basis have learned to limit interaction with the local population. Others deal with the Filipinas by giving them nothing more than cash for ass. They make it through the sea of lies and deceit by keeping a cold heart and a hard dick. The more ruthless ones go native and use the girls' tactics against them. In other words, they promise them whatever it takes to fill all of their orifices with sperm then seem to mysteriously vanish without any of the promises materializing.

When asked why many of their countrywomen have no shame in asking foreign men for cash, Filipinas often reply it is because they do not respect foreigners and think that they can be easily fooled. So, there you go. Open up your wallet and be taken for a fool. Read Dragon Slayer's forum, you will see his post about a Filipina who actually blamed him for being foolish enough to send her money. The behavior goes beyond ingratitude. If they were only ungrateful for your charity it would not be so bad but being considered a fool for giving it to them in the first place is even worse.

Keep in mind that the holiday season is now here and Filipinas' predatory nature goes into overdrive to get money to buy those high priced consumer electronics way out of their income bracket. Most seasoned mongers disappear from the Philippines and online during this period of joyful fleecing. You might want to put your Indian entrepreneurial spirit to work and turn their intense greed for cash during this time to your advantage. You should bargain hard and go for short time release instead of the typical fake GFE. Since you've already expended unrecoverable cash in traveling to the Philippines perhaps you should try to salvage your trip first. However, I certainly wouldn't blame you if you decided to flee with what remains of your fleece.You make legendary writes ups that just stirs my mind. You have read my mind. I was really frustrated in India and saved up the money to come to PH which could afford my income and lifestyle and here. It turns out. The only thing I came for. Was as illusive as back home. Yeah. I have decided to lock up my heart and be ruthless and unemotional as before. I just can't afford to let my guard down for a bit or I'm claimed. Yeah. I was also thinking about 5-6 for a while as anyay they think I'm that. Hehehehe. Yeah. I'm still confused where to take it from here. I had planned to stay for a year now. I'm planning for couple of months and spend it all and go back.

Starchild2012
12-10-11, 12:17
"Few more days to decide and then I'm packing my bags to Thailand and spend rest of my money away. Where I know already that. I will be treated like a trash because of being Indian. So I will be much more careful there. Adios Amigos."

Starchild,

I know that your post was a vent resulting from a confluence of hassles. I don't think I can add anything substantive to the very sage advice given by GE and Surfer in regards to the Phils. My questions to you is why do you want to spend your hard earned money in a place where you're treated like trash? Big deal some putas in the Phils and Thailand do not care for Indians. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find mongering destinations in Asia and elsewhere where you will be treated with consideration and respect. Brazil is one that comes to mind, unless of course you like being treated like trash.I had such a good time last trip, I could not see anything else. Guess. I will start looking at other destinations as well. Thanks.


Wow, sounds like it's pretty rough being a Hondu in Manila. I also had tears in my eyes while reading this hilarious report. Good luck in Thailand Swami.Nope. I'm a Christian. But I hate to be a priest Swami is better.


Starchild, you need to smarten up. You sound like a total pussy. 'Tears in your eyes' etc. No real monger talks like that. Stop thinking and start fucking. Too bad this is cyberspace otherwise I'd throw my shoes at yah. A smelly pair too!

GE offers intelligent advice as always, but it comes from living there. But who the fuck wants to live there? Who the fuck wants to meet an upper class women? We got tons of them stateside. We're trying to get the fuck away from that shit, with the child support, the lawyers and alimony. No way. No fucking way. Thats why we come to the Phils. We're here to shoot loads. Bust nuts. Spread seed. To hell with western civilization. And I actually have to spell this out?

First job of a monger is to deplane with a hard cock. And spring into action. Forget 'we are the world'. Start humping and hoin'. Busting sphincters, massive loads deposited etc. When the trip is over, we go back to civilization and assume that false mantle of respectability. Some of us don't even do that. We get back and immediately get into cyber wars with charlatans like Surfer while we rebuild our bank accounts and get ready for the next trip. Shallow? Sure! Give a fuck? Nah! Predictable? Fuck yeah!

DonI agree Don. I just lost it for a moment. Nothing has worked out as my last two trips. It was all exact opposite and the experience felt like what I carried from back home. I had great two trips and I had gone gaga over it in this forum. I'm just stepping it back and taking things slow now and being patient now. Thanks.


One thing I've learned after four trips to the Philippines is, never take the place seriously. This is adult Disneyland. You come, you pillage and you leave with good memories. No disrespect to expats, but the thought of me spending more than two weeks in the Philippines is unfathomable. I truly feel sorry for Filipinos who must live their entires lives in a shit-filled, hopeless, corrupt country.

Aside from the sex and girls, one benefit of traveling there is that it makes me grateful for what I have in America, to be with friends, family and coworkers who aren't trying mooch off me or feign kindness for ulterior motive. It makes me appreciate technology and civilization. It even makes me appreciate my dead-end job. The women in my life in America may not be as pretty or fawn all over me, but I know if they like me, it's likely genuine and I can have a real emotional and intellectual connection with her. It's not just her tits and vagina.

Let's be honest here. Many guys go to the Philippines for love and sex because they have problems at home. Perhaps they lack social skills, they're workaholics, don't have a life, have no real friends, estranged from family, etc. They look to the Philippines as a substitute for their drab reality.

The truth is, no matter how bad your life is at home, it will likely be worse in the Philippines. The country is crap. India may be poorer (at least for now) , but I don't sense Indians being shady, corrupt, conniving, lazy or moochers. So enjoy the Philippines while you're there but don't go there to run away from your problems. Confront your problems instead.Thanks for the advice. I have smartened up and patient now

Starchild2012
12-10-11, 12:25
Hahaha – I take you haven't been to India recently. Apart from some slight improvements in certain areas (such as restaurants and the infamous Indian bureaucracy) , the place is as third world and chaotic as you can get. If an Indian is moaning about the third worldliness of The Philippines then things must really be getting bad here or else he is having a laugh.

I reckon that in 10 years time, you won't be able to walk 10 yards without bumping into a horny young Indian man in places such as Pattaya and who knows, maybe Angeles. Take uncounted million repressed and sexually deprived males from a famously conservative country, where most females don't put out until they get a ring on their finger, and give them a little disposable income and cheap budget flights to pussy heaven and what do you get. Mass exodus. The writing is already on the wall. On my most recent trip to Pattaya, I was astonished at the numbers of Indians mooching around Beach Road and Walking Street trying to pull reluctant and unwilling girls. For unfortunately many exhibit the worse traits of lower caste Indians, namely aggressiveness, rudeness and uncouthness all of which are anathema to the Thais. And according to the girls they are also cheap and often none too clean. A recipe for disaster?

I suggest Starchild packs his cares and woes and takes his sorry ass off to Thailand, preferably Pattaya where his money will stretch further and he can let his libido off its leash to run wild and free amongst the lovelies there, that is provided he can catch one.If one think's PH is worse. Wait till you get to India. The media figures are just that figures. Not ground reality. Just read the main headline today. 90 people burned alive in Hospital while the staff fled in India. Yeah. All the sicks and the elderly were left to be burned alive when the docters and nurses fled the hospital and no water sprinklers were working etc etc.

Hahaha. Wow. I actually finalized the plan. When I read your post that. Already lots of Indians have fled to Thailand to clean up their tubes. I don't think I want to be anywhere close to 10 Indians while they are horny with less money. Even though looking at those soi 6 videos on youtube made me think otherwise. As many indians don't venture beyond walking street. I may take my chances and flee to Thailand and come back next time to PH or rather not. I have few more days to decide.

Raverboy
12-10-11, 13:49
...I reckon that in 10 years time, you won't be able to walk 10 yards without bumping into a horny young Indian man in places such as Pattaya and who knows, maybe Angeles...

Isn't this already happening in Pattaya and Angeles, not to mention Hatyai and some of the Riau islands of Indonesia?

Mind you, many of them are Malaysian Indians, but thats an entirely different sad story.

Red Kilt
12-10-11, 14:06
Rather sad reading in today's Manila Standard.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/december/10/news2.isx&d=2011/december/10

Note these quotes:

A previous study noted that in the 1950s, the Philippines had the second highest per capita GDP in Asia. Today, its Southeast Asian neighbors Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam are described as high performing economies that are targetting first world statuses, while the Philippines was operating on a low-growth trajectory.. . . . . . . . . .

. . . . . . . "Among the factors blamed for the country's weak economic performance were weak agricultural productivity, high government debt, low public, private, and foreign investment, weak research and development spending, low spending on education, lackluster tourism sector, relatively high income inequality, high corruption, strong population growth, more episodes of financial crisis, and political uncertainty".

Now that just about sums up everything. Sad but true

D Cups
12-10-11, 20:45
Thanks Red, their loss is our gain. Who wants to pay Japanese or Singaporean or Hong Kong prices to get laid by quality English-speaking tight trim snatch? I'm glad they are the way they are! It keeps prices low and plenty of pussy!


Rather sad reading in today's Manila Standard.

http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2011/december/10/news2.isx&d=2011/december/10

Note these quotes:

A previous study noted that in the 1950s, the Philippines had the second highest per capita GDP in Asia. Today, its Southeast Asian neighbors Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, and Vietnam are described as high performing economies that are targetting first world statuses, while the Philippines was operating on a low-growth trajectory.

. "Among the factors blamed for the country's weak economic performance were weak agricultural productivity, high government debt, low public, private, and foreign investment, weak research and development spending, low spending on education, lackluster tourism sector, relatively high income inequality, high corruption, strong population growth, more episodes of financial crisis, and political uncertainty".

Now that just about sums up everything. Sad but true

FurryFriend
12-11-11, 08:23
Hi Furry, I disagree with you. I lived in the PI in the 80s and had the time of my life. I plan on retiring there in less than 10 years and raising a family. It is a beautiful country, affordable, speaks English, and has great food and culture, moreso than the other 20+ countries I have visited worldwide. I am well educated and do not lack social skill or any of the other maladies you suggest. Moreover, I've met several expats of my caliber who enjoy the PI a whole lot, too. It is not a perfect country but what country is?Of course, you could be the exception. There are many types of expats in the Philippines.

But I still believe most people retire in the Philippines because of social problems at home. If a guy has a normal well-adjusted life, why surrender that to venture into a third-world, corrupt ghetto? He should prefer to be constantly with family, friends, grandkids, maybe run a small business and do volunteer / church work. He would, of course, travel a few times a year to Southeast Asia to act out primal urges.

Not that I've talked to every expat in Angeles City, but the few I've talked to are nice people but clearly don't have a life in the states. They have a 'leave me alone' hermit mentality consistent with many ex-military folks. They also seem a bit paranoid about 'big government' and maintain some apocalyptic Orwellan vision of what's to come in the world.

I don't mean any offense, but there just appears to me something rather immature and somewhat anti-social for an elderly man to desire 19 year old women for the rest of his life (sexually and for companionship). Because if one cuts the bullshit, young nubile women who respond sexually to old white guys is the only reason most retirees live in the Philippines. Without that, how many expats would be there?


G,

I agree you have more freedom here, but with that freedom comes no rights. I always thought that I would want to retire here, but after living and working here for the last five years, I am looking to move on and only come back as a two week tourist and enjoy the Philippines for what it is.I live in the USA and would be the first to tell you that Americans live in a sexually repressed society.

But as you've said, there needs a balance between freedom and civilization. The Philippines may enjoy freedom but lack civilization. A previous poster lauded the lack of policing in the Philippines. Is that really such a good thing for everyone to have to defend himself or resort to street justice? When I'm in the Philippines, I fear the cops almost as much as I fear criminals.

I have duel American and Hong Kong identity. When I'm old and gray, I'd love to return and retire there as I believe Hong Kong strikes a good balance between freedom and civilization. As you've said, Thailand also has a good balance, as do Malaysia.

GoodEnough
12-11-11, 10:16
Maybe Furry's problem is that he's referring in his post to the expats in Angeles. I would argue that they are not at all representative of the expatriates living in other, less sex-industry-centered parts of the Philippines. My expat friends here are extremely well educated, have relatively "normal" lives here and, despite their occasional frustration with the third-world inefficiencies and inconveniences, are relatively happy. They are typically less stressed than the average Westerner, live better than they would in the West, and of course are more sexually satisfied. They do not frequent bars every night, don't drink to excess, and aren't obsessed with screwing a different 19 year old every night, since the fascination with doing so wore off long ago.

My good friend Red Kilt has written often and eloquently about the difference between short-term sex tourists and guys who live and work here, and I agree. I am not denigrating the short-term guys; just emphasizing that the perspectives are entirely different as are the motivations.

GE

Mc Don
12-11-11, 10:23
McDon:

Perhaps there's a Betty Ford Clinic there where you are as you need to either sober up or learn how to read between the lines in your native language. I do believe you are an Aussie.

StarChild never said he lacked a return ticket to his departure city / country. Of course, I have been following your posts so your want of proficiency in writing might also translate into your want of proficiency in reading. Where did you graduate from 8th grade from?I live in Australia for few months of the year but English is my forth language. Perhaps you need to read between the lines too. I was simply trying to imply that rules need to be followed by everyone and no matter what your skin colour or religion we all get hustled at times. The value of my post which many others picked up was the second part which explained that these days Tiger and other airlines ASK for the ticket out. I guess its nothing new for mongers coming from USA by the sounds of it but for us from oz or asia this is very new. I have travelled number of times to phils with Jetstar / quantas, phil airlines, tiger, airasia, phil express, sea air and only cebu pacific in the past asked for the ticket out. Tiger (sea air actually under tiger banner) not only checked that I had a ticket out, holding me for 15 minutes at the counter but then come back with a slip that showed how much I paid for the ticket out, date, time and last few digits of my credit card. Considering that it was NOT a tiger or sea air flight I found the whole sharing of personal info thing weird.

As for my 8th grade, I never finished it. I finished grade 7 in Saraevo just before the Serbian siege of the city. Lucky ex yu primary education system (from grade 5 we learned biology, chemistry, physics and other 'advanced' subjects) was superior to the western so I was allowed to skip grade 8 and 9 after a crash course in English when my family finally escaped the war. I know what it is like to be discriminated against much better then most people on this board, I have been shoot at and seen close friends and family killed over that shit so I hate it when people so easily play the race or religious card. By the way I think you are mixing up proficiency and specifics. I never ask for proficiency in writing to answer posters here but like many others here I think anyone should RTFF before asking questions and those should be SPECIFIC and PRECISE.

JayHighFive
12-11-11, 12:43
I'll be in Manila on Christmas. How is the action then? Is it dead or will I be able to find girls?

Sxxxx
12-11-11, 22:13
I live in Australia for few months of the year but English is .Yeh Slippery, watch your mouth before you open it again. The guy McD, might not have as much "bad education" as you have, but he has got some class. Your mention of Australia in your original post was an attempt at the race card, and also the 'better education' card, but see, you lost out big time. Think with your head not your dick, Slippery. And if you don't know what the expression 'slippery' means, you don't know much, yet again. Look it up in the dictionary, LOL, preferably a Brit one. You thought McD set himself up, but turns out you set yourself up. End of this discussion for me. Think I did a pretty reasonable demolition job on someone who needs a bit of education, you, Slippery, LOL. And, whats more, I enjoyed it. End for me.

FreebieFan
12-12-11, 02:54
Isn't this already happening in Pattaya and Angeles, not to mention Hatyai and some of the Riau islands of Indonesia?

Mind you, many of them are Malaysian Indians, but thats an entirely different sad story.Was in Bangkok a few months ago and the place was awash in Indians. Seems lots of low cost carriers fly there from many Indian cities now. The Indians are distinguishable for the fact they roam around BKK's areas of nightlife in large groups and tend to do a lot of looking (imagine 15 guys crowded round the entrance of Long Gun in Cowboy for instance ). Thankfully they haven't yet invaded Biergarten there as other wise no spare seats.

WG's tend to not be so interested yet in this new market as they report many instances of going with one guy, but suddenly finding 6 other guys in the room, happy to watch the original punter and girl do the deed.

Transporter
12-12-11, 03:52
Anyone know the barfines for the ktvs? For example, Asia entertainment complex. I know the rates are 500 / hour in addition to GRO fees, etc. But how much is the actual barfine and how much is tip usually for the girl? I know it's expensive, but how much are we talking about?7000 all inclusive

Slippery
12-12-11, 04:11
I live in Australia for few months of the year but English is my forth language. Perhaps you need to read between the lines too. I was simply trying to imply that rules need to be followed by everyone and no matter what your skin colour or religion we all get hustled at times. The value of my post which many others picked up was the second part which explained that these days Tiger and other airlines ASK for the ticket out. I guess its nothing new for mongers coming from USA by the sounds of it but for us from oz or asia this is very new. I have travelled number of times to phils with Jetstar / quantas, phil airlines, tiger, airasia, phil express, sea air and only cebu pacific in the past asked for the ticket out. Tiger (sea air actually under tiger banner) not only checked that I had a ticket out, holding me for 15 minutes at the counter but then come back with a slip that showed how much I paid for the ticket out, date, time and last few digits of my credit card. Considering that it was NOT a tiger or sea air flight I found the whole sharing of personal info thing weird.

As for my 8th grade, I never finished it. I finished grade 7 in Saraevo just before the Serbian siege of the city. Lucky ex yu primary education system (from grade 5 we learned biology, chemistry, physics and other 'advanced' subjects) was superior to the western so I was allowed to skip grade 8 and 9 after a crash course in English when my family finally escaped the war. I know what it is like to be discriminated against much better then most people on this board, I have been shoot at and seen close friends and family killed over that shit so I hate it when people so easily play the race or religious card. By the way I think you are mixing up proficiency and specifics. I never ask for proficiency in writing to answer posters here but like many others here I think anyone should RTFF before asking questions and those should be SPECIFIC and PRECISE.I also speak four languages sir and rules indeed need to be followed, wherever in the world we might be. Perhaps in my country I never learned "advanced" subjects however, I am published in just about every library in the USA. Who played the race / religion card here. You? I certainly didn't. You admonish against using the race / religion card but you tell us how you have been discriminated against and given your ethnicity and the political history there, I certainly sympathize with you. We are probably both baptized Eastern Orthodox. I am intimately familiar with ICTY, its agenda and endeavors that continue. As you ethnicity is not your fault, nor is mine. Pardon me for having a blue passport however, you have no idea of how I have supported your people for over 15 years. Sorry I could not do it sooner.

Radical Guy
12-12-11, 05:16
i don't know if i am the exception to the "rule," but i have been married to my filipina wife for almost 8 years. at 54, i am 28 years older than her. we married when she was 18 and i was 46. today, she is a us citizen, and is a college graduate employed by the federal government, making a salary of almost $50, 000 a year. my wife is still a "spinner" at 5'2" and 90 lbs, very beautiful and sexy, even more so than the day we met. she tells me that she gets hit on by guys closer to her own age almost daily, but always gives them the cold shoulder.

i am not rich, though a professional making a comfortable income. i am a typical, somewhat overweight guy who looks his age, yet my wife still "[CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124)" me almost every night. she has an insatiable sexual appetite, and has always treated me like a king. if our relationship isn't real, and our love real, i can't imagine why my wife would still want to be with me. she doesn't need me for money or immigration benefits. she could easily find a younger, perhaps richer, guy to replace me. yet, the one thing that gets her upset is when i need to work late, or can't spend time with her for whatever reason.

according to you, we have an "unnatural" relationship. well, perhaps so, but i wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. the only reason i am on this website is because i enjoy reading about mongering activities, remembering the "good ol' days." but i am with the one woman who has become my fantasy girl, and faithful wife.

rg.


of course, you could be the exception. there are many types of expats in the philippines.

but i still believe most people retire in the philippines because of social problems at home. if a guy has a normal well-adjusted life, why surrender that to venture into a third-world, corrupt ghetto? he should prefer to be constantly with family, friends, grandkids, maybe run a small business and do volunteer / church work. he would, of course, travel a few times a year to southeast asia to act out primal urges.

not that i've talked to every expat in angeles city, but the few i've talked to are nice people but clearly don't have a life in the states. they have a 'leave me alone' hermit mentality consistent with many ex-military folks. they also seem a bit paranoid about 'big government' and maintain some apocalyptic orwellan vision of what's to come in the world.

i don't mean any offense, but there just appears to me something rather immature and somewhat anti-social for an elderly man to desire 19 year old women for the rest of his life (sexually and for companionship). because if one cuts the bullshit, young nubile women who respond sexually to old white guys is the only reason most retirees live in the philippines. without that, how many expats would be there?

i live in the usa and would be the first to tell you that americans live in a sexually repressed society.

but as you've said, there needs a balance between freedom and civilization. the philippines may enjoy freedom but lack civilization. a previous poster lauded the lack of policing in the philippines. is that really such a good thing for everyone to have to defend himself or resort to street justice? when i'm in the philippines, i fear the cops almost as much as i fear criminals.

i have duel american and hong kong identity. when i'm old and gray, i'd love to return and retire there as i believe hong kong strikes a good balance between freedom and civilization. as you've said, thailand also has a good balance, as do malaysia.

Cunning Stunt
12-12-11, 08:14
was in bangkok a few months ago and the place was awash in indians. seems lots of low cost carriers fly there from many indian cities now. the indians are distinguishable for the fact they roam around bkk's areas of nightlife in large groups and tend to do a lot of looking (imagine 15 guys crowded round the entrance of long gun in cowboy for instance ).they are just exhibiting behaviour that they display at home. bus loads of young indian men will travel vast distances to tourist beaches such as calangute in goa or kovalom in kerala, where they know that plenty of young white female flesh is on display. here they will troop up and down the beach in gangs, staring at and making uncomfortable any scantily clad girls that they encounter. the braver amongst their number may try out their chat up lines and there has been cases of indecent assault and even [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123). it is a most pathetic and sad spectacle; they must be just about the most repressed and sex starved people on earth. no wonder young straight guys walk about holding hands.

i imagine that when they hit bangkok or pattaya for the first time, they must think that they have died and gone to heaven!

GoodEnough
12-12-11, 12:26
i don't know if i am the exception to the "rule," but i have been married to my filipina wife for almost 8 years. at 54, i am 28 years older than her. we married when she was 18 and i was 46. today, she is a us citizen, and is a college graduate employed by the federal government, making a salary of almost $50, 000 a year. my wife is still a "spinner" at 5'2" and 90 lbs, very beautiful and sexy, even more so than the day we met. she tells me that she gets hit on by guys closer to her own age almost daily, but always gives them the cold shoulder.

i am not rich, though a professional making a comfortable income. i am a typical, somewhat overweight guy who looks his age, yet my wife still "[CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124)" me almost every night. she has an insatiable sexual appetite, and has always treated me like a king. if our relationship isn't real, and our love real, i can't imagine why my wife would still want to be with me. she doesn't need me for money or immigration benefits. she could easily find a younger, perhaps richer, guy to replace me. yet, the one thing that gets her upset is when i need to work late, or can't spend time with her for whatever reason.

according to you, we have an "unnatural" relationship. well, perhaps so, but i wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. the only reason i am on this website is because i enjoy reading about mongering activities, remembering the "good ol' days." but i am with the one woman who has become my fantasy girl, and faithful wife.

rg.a nice expression of what's possible. i don't really think you're an exception in the larger context rg, only among many of the guys here whose perspective of the country is conditioned by brief holidays and the typical class of lady they meet. i can trump your 28 year age difference by a few years, and am in the 8th year of the best relationship i've ever had. i'm not an exception either, or certainly not among the people i know here, most of whom are in similar circumstances. the fact is, that it's possible to establish whatever kind of relationship you want, or perhaps need, here, and i'm not slamming anyone for making whatever choice he's made. but it's also impossible to generalize accurately about an entire population of almost 50 million women.

ge

Tequila Shot
12-12-11, 14:00
fresh report from manila. also, a first report contribution from me.

met anne at roblinson's place yesterday 11dec2011! seemingly innocent and cute girl with a friend fei.

eyes locked 3 times during malling and then finally they approached and said hello, and that it was fei's birthday and wanted to invite me for a karaoke session. i was really not too interested and put it off and suspicious of this invitation. being in an adventurous spirit, decied to meet them late at music 21 edsa at 10pm and genuinely had a great time singing a lot of songs. they called another dormitory friend and she came and we all sang for a while until past 1am. interestingly all 3 girls knew a lot of songs in the karaoke and certainly was not an infrequent visitor to these establishments which actually is quite common in pi. bill came to only 2700ps (us$62) for about 5 coor's lights, and 9-10 vodka cruisers for the ladies with some food and room time for 3 hours. great deal!

that's where i should just have left it. but, they invited me to their apt dorm where supposedly they share between 4 girls where we had another short karaoke session and a few beers and a birthday cake for fei. when the 3 girls left to go buy the cake, that's when anne and i decided to stay in one of the bedrooms and of course one thing leads to another. she acted funny and wasn't really into it. in the foreplay a couple of fingers made it through to the vagina to help heat things up. unfortunately, because of the alcohol i was not up to it either so there was no penetration. it was certainly not a romantic setting as the apt was quite bare and low end. all of a sudden, anne was in "pain" and said she was bleeding! mind you now the finger exploration did not encounter any resistance and was a normal "unforced" part of the foreplay where 2 fingers went just into the vagina which got her wet. by this time, i was a bit confused and the other 3 girls just came home and discovered that anne was in pain and was bleeding. the bleeding looked to be like a menstrual period and not heavy. however, anne was apparently in considerable pain and the 3 other girls began to get anxious. i was still bewildered as none of the foreplay was anything but forced or rough to cause any kind of trauma to any part of her body.

then, one of the girls decided to call a female "doctor" who came quite quickly. she went into anne's room and quickly came out and said "there are lacerations in her vagina" and asked me what happened. i told her what transpired with the finger foreplay and told her that this certainly would not have caused any "lacerations". she then became very firm and said that anne was a minor (17) and that there would be severe consequences if the police found out. i had distinctly remembered anne saying she was 20. although she looked quite young, i could tell that she wasn't 16 or 17. she said that perhaps she can "arrange" that there would be no police involvement but that anne will need to be taken to the hospital and checked and treated. however, in order to have no police involvement there would need to be a "relative" to accompany anne to the hospital. lo and behold the relative showed up very quickly. a guy that didn't look anything like anne came to claim to be her older brother and came in with wild eyes angry about what had happened to anne. he immediately pointed his finger at me and asked who i am and what happened. he was very upset and i was anticipating a punch from this guy. within a few minutes, a decision was made to go to the hospital at about 6am.

the brother had a nice suv car. as we reached the hospital i was instructed by the lady "doctor" to just stay away and sit outside and not say anything. i never heard or saw anything going on inside the emergency room. i was accompanied by one of the girls but fei and the other girl stayed at home. then, the brother and the lady "doctor" came out and said we should talk in the car. this is when they broke the news that anne was a virgin and that her hymen had been torn and that was causing the bleeding. this is also when the brother broke the news that anne was "engaged" to be married and that her loss of virginity would be a calamity and an unbearable shame to the whole family. i remembered asking anne if she was married or had a boyfriend to which she answered "no, single!" right away, they told me that the hymen restoration procedure and treatment would cost 240, 000 pesos (us$5581) and that this is what the brother wanted me to pay in order to save face and avoid shame for the whole family. my response was first of all, how could breaking the hymen cause that much pain and require the girl to go to the hospital for treatment. do all girls that lose their virginity go get treated by a doctor? i told them that i don't have that kind of money. they went inside the hospital again and came back and said ok, the hymen restoration procedure don't need to be done right now but the treatment required for her current condition requires hospital stay, medicine which would cost 100, 000 pesos, a nice even sum. i told them again that i don't have that kind of money. they then huddled and came back and said the brother will try to find a way to pay 50, 000 but my share of the contribution has to be 50, 000 pesos. i felt that this sum was manageable but was concerned that that amount of cash is not available via the atm. i proposed that i use my credit card to pay my portion of the bill at the hospital to which the lady "doctor" said that is not a good idea as the hospital will know what happened and they will report to the police. i said why should we tell them anything and say i'm just a friend willing to help make the payment. she would have none of it.

that's when it dawned on me that this was the great philippino scam! my brain started on overdrive and wondered what i should do. they said "let's go find an atm where you can withdraw 50, 000 pesos". i agreed to this but in the back of my mind i was thinking of a way out. the brother still had his wild eyed look but the lady doctor and the girl was all nice and sweet and ready to help me with the atm process. we tried a couple of atms as i looked for an escape route. the last atm we found was right around the corner of where the brother parked the car. the girl accompanied me to the atm to "help" me withdraw the money out of the brother's visibility. i actually withdrew 20, 000 pesos with an eye toward the street for an availability of an empty taxi. there were quite a few taxis and as the girl seemed content that i was getting cash out of the machine i made a dash for one of the empty taxis and got in and took off! since i did mention which hotel i was staying at, i decided to go straight to the hotel and pack up and checkout and move to a different hotel in case they decided to chase me. by 9am i found the other hotel and made a booking. my heart was pounding and was in a half panic state in case they remembered where i was staying so checking out was a bit of a stressful affair. during this time i received some nasty sms messages from the brother calling me a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) and a child molester and that he will report this to the authorities and i will never leave the country safely. that was around 9am and now there are no messages or phone calls since. it's now 8pm at my new hotel and i'm finally calm and acknowledged and grateful that i escaped this great phlippino scam!

i'm writing in this forum to give the bros this story and warning.

o don't be an idiot like me and get into this kind of a situation in the philippines or elsewhere. i'm a little adventurous and a risk taker but despite my shame i want my bros here to know what happened. i wouldn't blame you for flaming me for being so stupid!

o don't trust girls in groups wanting to do anything despite their outward innocence and sweetness, keep to single girls unless you are also with a group of bros. believe me, they were very cute, sweet and anne was very innocent type. this was a scam perpetrated by people deliberately planning these things.

o don't get into a position in an unfamiliar surrounding like someone's apartment. stick to the known clubs and hotels.

o don't get swayed by your fondness and attraction to any girl! they are out for money. the confusing part here is that we know the girls are after money here but the innocence of the circumstances can really fool you.

o all in all, a lesson learned and quite an experience. i'm grateful that they didn't get a single cent from me. the karaoke session was actually very enjoyable and worth the money.

watch out bros and be safe!

Jon von Neumann
12-12-11, 18:26
I don't know if I am the exception to the "rule," but I have been married to my Filipina wife for almost 8 years. At 54, I am 28 years older than her. We married when she was 18 and I was 46. Today, she is a US citizen, and is a college graduate employed by the federal government, making a salary of almost $50, 000 a year. My wife is still a "spinner" at 5'2" and 90 lbs, very beautiful and sexy, even more so than the day we met. She tells me that she gets hit on by guys closer to her own age almost daily, but always gives them the cold shoulder.

RG.Prejudice die hard. It does not matter how many data points you give FF, he has his beliefs and you aint going to change it. Tell him about Hugh Heffner, corporate CEOs and many well to do men in his own country who marry wives much younger than themselves and FF will ignore you. Tell him about the fact that, historically (and in almost every culture) , women tended to marry men much older than their age group and you would not budge him. Tell him about the whole sub-cultures within his home country that still do have greater age difference than what he considers norm and you'd get nothing from him. See! He has made up his mind. He is not open to a discussion. Life is just like the average Hollywood movie script.

Prejudice is a nasty bug that is immune to reasons. Ask the average Tea Partier whether the US President was born in Hawaii and see what their response will be. See! They've made up their mind. They know what they know and you aint going to change it. Why do we keep discussing this topic every few weeks or so? It's starting to feel like Groundhog Day. Now, can we get back to our mongering stories.

Bonkers1
12-12-11, 21:16
the difference if you marry a american girl

three friends married women from different parts of the world.

the first man married a filipino. he told her that she was to do the dishes and house cleaning.

it took a couple of days, but on the third day, he came home to see a clean house and dishes washed and put away.

the second man married a thai. he gave his wife orders that she was to do all the cleaning, dishes and the cooking.

the first day he didn't see any results, but the next day he saw it was better. by the third day, he saw his house was clean, the dishes were done, and there was a huge dinner on the table.

the third man married a girl from america. he ordered her to keep the house cleaned, dishes washed, lawn mowed, laundry washed, and hot meals on the table for every meal.

he said the first day he didn't see anything, the second day he didn't see anything but by the third day, some of the swelling had gone down and he could see a little out of his left eye and his arm was healed enough that he could fix himself a sandwich and load the dishwasher. he still has some difficulty when he [CodeWord133] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord133).

Aussie Jo
12-12-11, 21:56
They are all now whinging at me on fb, dia, and all the other sites where I find them. They or others will be equally available for next trip. Sadly next trip will not be for at least 10 weeks as lots of domestic grief about me even taking this trip. Anyways Merry Christmas Manila.I had this issue on my first visit. I had a few ladies whom got stood up and I didn't get to meet. My next trip I am staggering my 'arrival' date and telling them I am arriving a few days later than actual. I think it will be easier to say "Hi, I've arrived early come over" when I have time than to be juggling the ladies with "I'm working today, maybe tomorrow".

Thanks for your inspirational report.

Mr Enternational
12-13-11, 02:45
Then, one of the girls decided to call a female "doctor" who came quite quickly. She went into Anne's room and quickly came out and said "there are lacerations in her vagina" and asked me what happened. I told her what transpired with the finger foreplay and told her that this certainly would not have caused any "lacerations". She then became very firm and said that Anne was a minor (17) and that there would be severe consequences if the police found out. I had distinctly remembered Anne saying she was 20. Although she looked quite young, I could tell that she wasn't 16 or 17.Why didn't you just leave the apartment and look for a taxi?

Since I did mention which hotel I was staying at, I decided to go straight to the hotel and pack up and checkout and move to a different hotel in case they decided to chase me.Yet another reason to not give anyone your real name or tell them what hotel you are staying at. A girl doesn't find out my hotel until I am walking with her through the door. Otherwise I tell them I am at the Hyatt (when in Manila) or that I can't remember the name; I only know how to get to it.

As I said the other day in another thread when a guy tried to take a 16 year old (who he thought was 18) gogo bar girl to his room,....
Bwwaaahhh haaaa haaaa. You guys are going to go to jail chasing those barely legal women. Searching out 18 year-olds is saying,"If they would allow me to go younger, I would!"

Jambo
12-13-11, 03:49
A guy that didn't look anything like Anne came to claim to be her older brother and came in with wild eyes angryCome on, lets have his phone number. All of us can txt him asking if his sister is available.

Red Kilt
12-13-11, 05:15
Fresh Report from Manila. Also, a first report contribution from me.

Met Anne at Roblinson's Place yesterday 11Dec2011! Seemingly innocent and cute girl with a friend Fei.

Eyes locked 3 times during malling and then finally they approached and said Hello, and that it was Fei's birthday and wanted to invite me for a karaoke session. I was really not too interested and put it off and suspicious of this invitation. Being in an adventurous spirit, decied to meet them late at Music 21 Edsa at 10pm and genuinely had a great time singing a lot of songs. They called another dormitory friend and she came and we all sang for a while until past 1am. Interestingly all 3 girls knew a lot of songs in the karaoke and certainly was not an infrequent visitor to these establishments which actually is quite common in PI. Bill came to only 2700ps (US$62) for about 5 Coor's Lights, and 9-10 Vodka Cruisers for the ladies with some food and room time for 3 hours. Great Deal!

That's where I should just have left it. But, they invited me to their apt dorm. .I stopped reading at this point because I knew there would be a bad ending.

Surely regular readers of this board do not need to be reminded yet again of the folly of accepting such an invitation.

At least it might serve as some sort of warning to any newbies who just dropped in.

FreebieFan
12-13-11, 06:31
I stopped reading at this point because I knew there would be a bad ending.

Surely regular readers of this board do not need to be reminded yet again of the folly of accepting such an invitation.

At least it might serve as some sort of warning to any newbies who just dropped in.Long long time back when I used to live in Manila would often see young girls at corner of New World hotel and Makati ave. Then there used to be a pizza place. No end of old guys (65 plus) would walk in there and a young girl would brightly smile and do the " Hi sir, I'm new in manila too, maybe we could explore it together routine".

Old guy would smile thinking he really was handsome and charming.

Girl would say "sir before we go touring can we stop in my aunties place"

They would go, auntie would serve the guy a boxed drink. And wake up 24 hours later, often in Cavite wih no money no phone, no possessions.

That was in the days of the Ativan gang.

If something looks too good to be true it generally is.

FurryFriend
12-13-11, 07:48
All in all, a lesson learned and quite an experience. I'm grateful that they didn't get a single cent from me. The karaoke session was actually very enjoyable and worth the money.Great story! Even though it must have been scary for you, it would provide great material to share with your buddies.

I would have started to look for a way out immediately after she claimed penetration. You stuck around wayyy too long. Bad things could have happened to you. The trick of course is to pretend to care for the girl so your victimizers would feel confident you wouldn't bolt.

I'm all for adventure too, but it ends when I have to venture into someone's residence or a nonpublic place.

I disagree with you about the part where you said to keep only to single girls. Most "good" girls would not agree to meet you for the first time alone.

If I got SMS from that guy, I would fuck around with him a bit. Maybe pretend to believe that you cannot leave the country and offer to meet for a payout. Then, take him on a wild goose chase.

Fake names and fake hotels are vital when meeting strangers. Not just girls, but just about everybody else.

Fastpiston
12-13-11, 09:21
fresh report from manila. also, a first report contribution from me.

met anne at roblinson's place yesterday 11dec2011! seemingly innocent and cute girl with a friend fei.

eyes locked 3 times during malling and then finally they approached and said hello, and that it was fei's birthday and wanted to invite me for a karaoke session. i was really not too interested and put it off and suspicious of this invitation. being in an adventurous spirit, decied to meet them late at music 21 edsa at 10pm and genuinely had a great time singing a lot of songs. they called another dormitory friend and she came and we all sang for a while until past 1am. interestingly all 3 girls knew a lot of songs in the karaoke and certainly was not an infrequent visitor to these establishments which actually is quite common in pi. bill came to only 2700ps (us$62) for about 5 coor's lights, and 9-10 vodka cruisers for the ladies with some food and room time for 3 hours. great deal!

that's where i should just have left it. but, they invited me to their apt dorm where supposedly they share between 4 girls where we had another short karaoke session and a few beers and a birthday cake for fei. when the 3 girls left to go buy the cake, that's when anne and i decided to stay in one of the bedrooms and of course one thing leads to another. she acted funny and wasn't really into it. in the foreplay a couple of fingers made it through to the vagina to help heat things up. unfortunately, because of the alcohol i was not up to it either so there was no penetration. it was certainly not a romantic setting as the apt was quite bare and low end. all of a sudden, anne was in "pain" and said she was bleeding! mind you now the finger exploration did not encounter any resistance and was a normal "unforced" part of the foreplay where 2 fingers went just into the vagina which got her wet. by this time, i was a bit confused and the other 3 girls just came home and discovered that anne was in pain and was bleeding. the bleeding looked to be like a menstrual period and not heavy. however, anne was apparently in considerable pain and the 3 other girls began to get anxious. i was still bewildered as none of the foreplay was anything but forced or rough to cause any kind of trauma to any part of her body.

then, one of the girls decided to call a female "doctor" who came quite quickly. she went into anne's room and quickly came out and said "there are lacerations in her vagina" and asked me what happened. i told her what transpired with the finger foreplay and told her that this certainly would not have caused any "lacerations". she then became very firm and said that anne was a minor (17) and that there would be severe consequences if the police found out. i had distinctly remembered anne saying she was 20. although she looked quite young, i could tell that she wasn't 16 or 17. she said that perhaps she can "arrange" that there would be no police involvement but that anne will need to be taken to the hospital and checked and treated. however, in order to have no police involvement there would need to be a "relative" to accompany anne to the hospital. lo and behold the relative showed up very quickly. a guy that didn't look anything like anne came to claim to be her older brother and came in with wild eyes angry about what had happened to anne. he immediately pointed his finger at me and asked who i am and what happened. he was very upset and i was anticipating a punch from this guy. within a few minutes, a decision was made to go to the hospital at about 6am.

the brother had a nice suv car. as we reached the hospital i was instructed by the lady "doctor" to just stay away and sit outside and not say anything. i never heard or saw anything going on inside the emergency room. i was accompanied by one of the girls but fei and the other girl stayed at home. then, the brother and the lady "doctor" came out and said we should talk in the car. this is when they broke the news that anne was a virgin and that her hymen had been torn and that was causing the bleeding. this is also when the brother broke the news that anne was "engaged" to be married and that her loss of virginity would be a calamity and an unbearable shame to the whole family. i remembered asking anne if she was married or had a boyfriend to which she answered "no, single!" right away, they told me that the hymen restoration procedure and treatment would cost 240, 000 pesos (us$5581) and that this is what the brother wanted me to pay in order to save face and avoid shame for the whole family. my response was first of all, how could breaking the hymen cause that much pain and require the girl to go to the hospital for treatment. do all girls that lose their virginity go get treated by a doctor? i told them that i don't have that kind of money. they went inside the hospital again and came back and said ok, the hymen restoration procedure don't need to be done right now but the treatment required for her current condition requires hospital stay, medicine which would cost 100, 000 pesos, a nice even sum. i told them again that i don't have that kind of money. they then huddled and came back and said the brother will try to find a way to pay 50, 000 but my share of the contribution has to be 50, 000 pesos. i felt that this sum was manageable but was concerned that that amount of cash is not available via the atm. i proposed that i use my credit card to pay my portion of the bill at the hospital to which the lady "doctor" said that is not a good idea as the hospital will know what happened and they will report to the police. i said why should we tell them anything and say i'm just a friend willing to help make the payment. she would have none of it.

that's when it dawned on me that this was the great philippino scam! my brain started on overdrive and wondered what i should do. they said "let's go find an atm where you can withdraw 50, 000 pesos". i agreed to this but in the back of my mind i was thinking of a way out. the brother still had his wild eyed look but the lady doctor and the girl was all nice and sweet and ready to help me with the atm process. we tried a couple of atms as i looked for an escape route. the last atm we found was right around the corner of where the brother parked the car. the girl accompanied me to the atm to "help" me withdraw the money out of the brother's visibility. i actually withdrew 20, 000 pesos with an eye toward the street for an availability of an empty taxi. there were quite a few taxis and as the girl seemed content that i was getting cash out of the machine i made a dash for one of the empty taxis and got in and took off! since i did mention which hotel i was staying at, i decided to go straight to the hotel and pack up and checkout and move to a different hotel in case they decided to chase me. by 9am i found the other hotel and made a booking. my heart was pounding and was in a half panic state in case they remembered where i was staying so checking out was a bit of a stressful affair. during this time i received some nasty sms messages from the brother calling me a [CodeWord126] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord126) and a child molester and that he will report this to the authorities and i will never leave the country safely. that was around 9am and now there are no messages or phone calls since. it's now 8pm at my new hotel and i'm finally calm and acknowledged and grateful that i escaped this great phlippino scam!

i'm writing in this forum to give the bros this story and warning.

o don't be an idiot like me and get into this kind of a situation in the philippines or elsewhere. i'm a little adventurous and a risk taker but despite my shame i want my bros here to know what happened. i wouldn't blame you for flaming me for being so stupid!

o don't trust girls in groups wanting to do anything despite their outward innocence and sweetness, keep to single girls unless you are also with a group of bros. believe me, they were very cute, sweet and anne was very innocent type. this was a scam perpetrated by people deliberately planning these things.

o don't get into a position in an unfamiliar surrounding like someone's apartment. stick to the known clubs and hotels.

o don't get swayed by your fondness and attraction to any girl! they are out for money. the confusing part here is that we know the girls are after money here but the innocence of the circumstances can really fool you.

o all in all, a lesson learned and quite an experience. i'm grateful that they didn't get a single cent from me. the karaoke session was actually very enjoyable and worth the money.

watch out bros and be safe!now this is tricky.

in the philippines, there is a law that can put one in jail for seven years for having any 'close' relationship with a married woman. usually these are solved by, you guessed it, a payoff. but the law is still there and a great opportunity for extortion and setup scams. this sounds nonsense, but believe me, it is true. it was no doubt pushed by the religious maniacs who merely created a great extortion business! best stick to girls working in bars as at least you have some case for saying the girl was a prostitute and working in a bar anmd therefore presumed was single.

if you are married to a filipina and she catches you playing around, she can accuse you of concubinism and make serious claims on you.

of course, if you are a foreigner, the law is applied in full and extortion amounts maximized (usually $10, 000). if you do not believe all this, do a google search on this. there have been many cases of foreigners going through hell on these laws. before you 'fall in love', just check very carefully the married status of the girl. especially if you see she has had kids.

FreebieFan
12-13-11, 10:02
Come on, lets have his phone number. All of us can txt him asking if his sister is available.I would be happy to call Mr Wild Eyes and tell him he is being investigated for extortion, corruption, pimping for minors, etcetc.

Tequila Shot
12-13-11, 13:03
Bros,

Thanks for all of your comments and valuable suggestions. I can really appreciate the depth of experience of some of the Bros on this Forum. I'm an older guy but, as you can tell, probably a bit on the naive side. Always a sucker for a sweet smile.

I can happily update you Bros that this bad experience did not deter me from going to the LA Cafe last night (yes, the same night after the bad experience) where I met another SYT. However, this was a totally awesome GF experience (as good as it gets for p4p anyways). First, I thought Yuki was a sort of a prima donna princess type but after getting to know her she is a real wildcat. She was downstairs standing in one of the corners and looking just fine (petite, white tank top, short jeans & heels) with a great smile. I asked her to come sit with me and chatted for a while. Since she was fanning herself I asked why and she said she was hot (she WAS HOT) , so I invited her to go upstairs where there was more breathing space and aircon. (Actually, this is a good tactic I believe to always pay to go upstairs early and then go downstairs for scouting missions to bring up anyone you'd like to spend more time with. There is a lot of choices downstairs and the upstairs can tend to be a little sparse and populated with regular girls where you can maybe pick up the part timers downstairs)

I won't go into the boring details of how great it is when you are clicking with someone but let's say it was real fun chatting to her. Yuki is a 24yr old real college student making ends meet in Manila. I asked her how much for ST / LT and she answered "up to me" which is something you may have heard 10 years ago in Jakarta but it would be a response that would raise an alert to most Bros today. Again, I felt compelled to follow my nose again (for the most part, I have a good nose except for the other day) and invited her to the hotel not specifying ST or LT. When we entered the room (actually as an old man, I wasnt really feeling that frisky) she started talking and talking and I was content to just interject a few questions here and there. For many Bros, I'm sure this would have turned them off. In this case, the combination of the old man factor and the earlier stressful experience mellowed me out where I was able to actually carry on a long conversation without ripping her clothes off and doing the deed!

That patience paid off in spades. After she spilled her guts she excused herself to go to wash up an came out with just a towel around her. I did my wash and came and joined her in bed. That's when she turned into a wildcat which initially shocked me but I'm telling you I felt like a teenager in heat after a few minutes of her passionate kisses, hugs, licks, etc. We made love for about an hour which is something I rarely do these days compared to you young Bros. We wer both sweaty and just exhausted and fell asleep together around 5am. Woke up with a start at 9am and realized I had a meeting at 11am (luckily didn't schedule an early one). She also had a class to go to at the same time so we quickly got showered and dressed and parted ways.

Texted her tonight and we are meeting again for some karaoke fun first and then who knows, God willing, my pecker will be young again tonight. LOL.

I'm leaving Manila early in the morning and I'm happy that I learned a lesson from the SCAM and feel fortunate to have experienced this wonderful girl on this trip.

Thanks again to all the Bros for all the comments! I'll sing a song for you guys tonight!

Tequila Shot

Red Kilt
12-13-11, 13:36
If anyone is coming to Manila in the next 10 or 11 days for business or pleasure then either think carefully about whether your visit is important or not and if it is, then make sure you stay close to your point of business (walking distance).

Manila Christmas traffic 2011 is horrendous. It even made the papers yesterday and today. It is always bad but this year it seems to be worse and it is still only Dec 13. I had a trip today that took almost 2 hours and which normally is around 35 minutes even at busy times.

Remember: stay close to where you will be targeting.

If MBC then stay in Malate.

If Greenbelt or Burgos, stay close to the Makati center.

Don't plan to roam between regular haunts or you will find yourself sitting in stationary traffic saying "Damn I wish I had taken note of what RK said on ISG".

Robbaf
12-13-11, 22:35
If anyone is coming to Manila in the next 10 or 11 days for business or pleasure then either think carefully about whether your visit is important or not and if it is, then make sure you stay close to your point of business (walking distance).

Manila Christmas traffic 2011 is horrendous. It even made the papers yesterday and today. It is always bad but this year it seems to be worse and it is still only Dec 13. I had a trip today that took almost 2 hours and which normally is around 35 minutes even at busy times.

Remember: stay close to where you will be targeting.

If MBC then stay in Malate.

If Greenbelt or Burgos, stay close to the Makati center.

Don't plan to roam between regular haunts or you will find yourself sitting in stationary traffic saying "Damn I wish I had taken note of what RK said on ISG".Wow you are 100% correct. Last Saturday I arrived in Manila around 4 pm and had a driver pick me up to go straight to AC. Two hours later, we were 5 miles from the airport. My second 4 hour trip to AC.

Robb

Cunning Stunt
12-14-11, 01:20
Manila Christmas traffic 2011 is horrendous. It even made the papers yesterday and today. It is always bad but this year it seems to be worse and it is still only Dec 13. I had a trip today that took almost 2 hours and which normally is around 35 minutes even at busy times.Stay away from the markets too, unless you want to get caught in a pedestrian jam. Made the mistake of trying to take a shortcut through Baclaran market to Taft MRT at the weekend. Normally a 10-15 minute stroll, it took me 45 minutes! The crowds were horrific. The malls are not much better. Its at times like this that you begin to realize just how seriously overcrowded the place is.

MisterO
12-14-11, 07:29
I can happily update you Bros that this bad experience did not deter me from going to the LA Cafe last night (yes, the same night after the bad experience) .Good for you for not giving up. That was a scary situation. I will make sure not to get into that position when I'm there in January!

X Man
12-14-11, 10:29
To save a couple hundred buck I'm flying into Manila rather than Cebu. Cebu is my preference. Now you guys have me worried. An evening arrival so I was planning to spend a night or two in Manila, then a few days in AC, then fly somewhere south out of Clark.

Some questions.

When would be the best time to hire a taxi to AC? I'm thinking with a 9pm arrival, I might be better off to go direct to AC.

FLY the Bus, is there any time that seems to work better when it comes to avoiding the traffic jams? They have three times last time I checked.

Can CS pick me up at the airport? It would be much appreciated.


Stay away from the markets too, unless you want to get caught in a pedestrian jam. Made the mistake of trying to take a shortcut through Baclaran market to Taft MRT at the weekend. Normally a 10-15 minute stroll, it took me 45 minutes! The crowds were horrific. The malls are not much better. Its at times like this that you begin to realize just how seriously overcrowded the place is.

GoodEnough
12-14-11, 13:04
Stay away from the markets too, unless you want to get caught in a pedestrian jam. Made the mistake of trying to take a shortcut through Baclaran market to Taft MRT at the weekend. Normally a 10-15 minute stroll, it took me 45 minutes! The crowds were horrific. The malls are not much better. Its at times like this that you begin to realize just how seriously overcrowded the place is.Thanks RK and CS. Now I won't sleep tonight since I'll be subconsiously dreading the traffic jams I'm going to have to confront tomorrow. RK, does this diminish the possibility of meeting at GB 3 for a few glasses of red?

GE

Red Kilt
12-14-11, 14:28
Thanks RK and CS. Now I won't sleep tonight since I'll be subconsiously dreading the traffic jams I'm going to have to confront tomorrow. RK, does this diminish the possibility of meeting at GB 3 for a few glasses of red?It probably means that you will arrive just as we are completing dessert and coffee but I can easily be persuaded to join you in tackling another bottle.

You may be lucky and find that just as the Red Sea parted for Moses, so too may the traffic part for you between the airport and Makati.

You better say your prayers tonight.

FreebieFan
12-15-11, 09:42
You may be lucky and find that just as the Red Sea parted for Moses, so too may the traffic part for you between the airport and Makati.And it does happen!

Once I was driving from Ayala Alabang to Makati and I realised that I had eaten something that was seriously disagreeing with me. Maybe something with sesame oil, but I had this incredible need to find a bathroom super urgently. Now driving on the south super highway towards Manila (the most unsuper highway I can imagine) at 6pm guarantees traffic is backed up and wall to wall.

I was really worried that I would have an accident, but then, the traffic jam miraculously dissapeared, the highway became blsisfully quiet and I made it from Alabang turn off to Don Bosco turn off in 12 minutes (equivalent of going down EDSA non stop at 120 km p hr) and found a bathroom 3 minutes later. Pray hard GE LOL.

GoodEnough
12-15-11, 09:50
I just drove from the airport to the Dusit in Makati, and the traffic was everything foreseen by Red Kilt. I texted one of my colleagues here and joked that the inability to manage traffic flow is more or less a metaphor for the management style of the whole country; pay no attention and hope for the best but at any rate it's out of our hands. On a positive note, the Dusit now has in-room wifi, which is good since my new MacBook doesn't take a cable and assumes that the entire world has access to Internet without cable. I don't think Apple makes a special "Philippines edition."

GE

Fast Eddie 48
12-15-11, 22:25
I just drove from the airport to the Dusit in Makati, and the traffic was everything foreseen by Red Kilt. I texted one of my colleagues here and joked that the inability to manage traffic flow is more or less a metaphor for the management style of the whole country; pay no attention and hope for the best but at any rate it's out of our hands. On a positive note, the Dusit now has in-room wifi, which is good since my new MacBook doesn't take a cable and assumes that the entire world has access to Internet without cable. I don't think Apple makes a special "Philippines edition."

GETo Good enough,

I think Manila need a good modern transit system a subway system but the government don't want to spend any money to Improve the country, all they want is foreign investment so they can pocket more money so much coruption here.

Fast Eddie 48

JayHighFive
12-16-11, 00:05
I'll be there the day after Christmas. How to you thing it will be then?

[QUOTE=Red Kilt; 1226485]If anyone is coming to Manila in the next 10 or 11 days for business or pleasure then either think carefully about whether your visit is important or not and if it is, then make sure you stay close to your point of business (walking distance).

Manila Christmas traffic 2011 is horrendous. It even made the papers yesterday and today. It is always bad but this year it seems to be worse and it is still only Dec 13. I had a trip today that took almost 2 hours and which normally is around 35 minutes even at busy times.

Red Kilt
12-16-11, 05:05
I'll be there the day after Christmas. How to you thing it will be then?I "thing" it will be OK. Manila will be dead. Most provincias get out of Manila and back to their family in the provinces for Christmas to NY period.

Cunning Stunt
12-16-11, 07:52
I think Manila need a good modern transit system a subway system but the government don't want to spend any money to Improve the country, all they want is foreign investment so they can pocket more money so much coruption here.You are probably right. The transit system Manila has is inadequate for its current passenger turnover and usage. But the Philippine government doesn't have the resources to upgrade the system and so would be mainly reliant on major foreign investment. And in view of the current global economic situation and the ongoing ramifications of the Piatco fiasco deterring investors, I cannot see that happening anytime soon, can you?

GoodEnough
12-16-11, 09:11
You are probably right. The transit system Manila has is inadequate for its current passenger turnover and usage. But the Philippine government doesn't have the resources to upgrade the system and so would be mainly reliant on major foreign investment. And in view of the current global economic situation and the ongoing ramifications of the Piatco fiasco deterring investors, I cannot see that happening anytime soon, can you?Actually, I can see it happening fairly soon. The construction of a subway, the extension of the rail system and other huge infrastructure needs have been "packaged" by the national government into part of its Public-Private partnership initiative, under which the private sector (of this country) would raise the funds and operate the systems, but the government would retain the land and ultimately the title to the systems. There's been a huge amount of interest expressed by several of the larger corporations here, and lots of planning has already been done. This does not, of course, mean that it's going to happen, but the possibility is strong that at least some of it will.

GE

Red Kilt
12-16-11, 09:43
Actually, I can see it happening fairly soon. The construction of a subway, the extension of the rail system and other huge infrastructure needs have been "packaged" by the national government into part of its Public-Private partnership initiative, under which the private sector (of this country) would raise the funds and operate the systems, but the government would retain the land and ultimately the title to the systems. There's been a huge amount of interest expressed by several of the larger corporations here, and lots of planning has already been done. This does not, of course, mean that it's going to happen, but the possibility is strong that at least some of it will.

GEJust to extend what GE says (and I heartily agree with his proposition) , the North Rail project that includes a "fast rail" system to the DM International Airport in Clark will now be *fast-tracked. The plane crash last week in which a small plane destroyed a number of houses near the airport has shown everybody that NAIA is dangerous in manyways, especially not having any adjacent spaces for expansion beyond its already squashed boundaries.

* by fast-tracked, I mean that it will probably come about in 10 to 12 years time even if everything happens rapidly and without any hitches

Devils 1
12-16-11, 17:23
Actually, I can see it happening fairly soon. The construction of a subway, the extension of the rail system and other huge infrastructure needs have been "packaged" by the national government into part of its Public-Private partnership initiative, under which the private sector (of this country) would raise the funds and operate the systems, but the government would retain the land and ultimately the title to the systems. There's been a huge amount of interest expressed by several of the larger corporations here, and lots of planning has already been done. This does not, of course, mean that it's going to happen, but the possibility is strong that at least some of it will.

GEThis is a really fascinating subject to me. Since I have been spending alot of time in Manila sitting in traffic wondering how to fix the problem. When I compare it to other places that have great subway systems like Hong Kong, Boston and London it seems that it can be done. But when I think about just one small piece it completely escapes me. If you take Makati ave, it is only about 1 mile from Greenbelt to say Burgos. If you had some type of train here you would have to make 2-3 stops to even make it useful. My reasoning is that it is so hot and humid most of the year that it is impossible to walk that distance. Let alone the thought that you would have to close Makati Ave for more than a year to build it. If you close Makati Ave you may as well close Makati!

Jambo
12-16-11, 19:25
The construction of a subway, the extension of the rail systemOh God can you imagine? Building anything would mean the eviction of 1, 000s of squatters. I would think getting them to leave to make way would be harder than tearing down a Bank of America building.

Oh the humanity!

GoodEnough
12-17-11, 01:02
My sense of geography in Manila is not great, but I have seen the proposed route map, and it's quite extensive. Again, I'm not positive this will ever happen, as the governments here have a collective, long history of grandiose plans that never come to fruition. However, I think in this case the odds are fairly good, given the major players involved and the fact that the project as planned, isn't going to require massive investment of public funds. I think it's finally gotten through to the political and business powers here that Manila is slowly turning into another Calcutta in terms of its inability to handle traffic and that a "Bangkok solution" of light rail overhead, and underground will alleviate a significant percentage of the growing congestion. Of course, actually enforcing traffic laws would also go a long way, but I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.

GE.


This is a really fascinating subject to me. Since I have been spending alot of time in Manila sitting in traffic wondering how to fix the problem. When I compare it to other places that have great subway systems like Hong Kong, Boston and London it seems that it can be done. But when I think about just one small piece it completely escapes me. If you take Makati ave, it is only about 1 mile from Greenbelt to say Burgos. If you had some type of train here you would have to make 2-3 stops to even make it useful. My reasoning is that it is so hot and humid most of the year that it is impossible to walk that distance. Let alone the thought that you would have to close Makati Ave for more than a year to build it. If you close Makati Ave you may as well close Makati!

FreebieFan
12-17-11, 03:12
My sense of geography in Manila is not great, but I have seen the proposed route map, and it's quite extensive. Again, I'm not positive this will ever happen, as the governments here have a collective, long history of grandiose plans that never come to fruition. However, I think in this case the odds are fairly good, given the major players involved and the fact that the project as planned, isn't going to require massive investment of public funds. I think it's finally gotten through to the political and business powers here that Manila is slowly turning into another Calcutta in terms of its inability to handle traffic and that a "Bangkok solution" of light rail overhead, and underground will alleviate a significant percentage of the growing congestion. .

GE.Jakarta and Manila have many comparisons I think in terms of overcrowded, corrupt cities etc. The subject of a mass transit raiwlay system was first proposed in Jakarta in 1980, studies done by ADB etc. And now 31 years later Jakarta has not made a single millimetre of progress from the proposal. I suspect Manila would be and will be exactly the same.

Fast Eddie 48
12-17-11, 05:27
My sense of geography in Manila is not great, but I have seen the proposed route map, and it's quite extensive. Again, I'm not positive this will ever happen, as the governments here have a collective, long history of grandiose plans that never come to fruition. However, I think in this case the odds are fairly good, given the major players involved and the fact that the project as planned, isn't going to require massive investment of public funds. I think it's finally gotten through to the political and business powers here that Manila is slowly turning into another Calcutta in terms of its inability to handle traffic and that a "Bangkok solution" of light rail overhead, and underground will alleviate a significant percentage of the growing congestion. Of course, actually enforcing traffic laws would also go a long way, but I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.

GE.To GE.

There will be Coruption for sure look at the new Bangkok airport and airlink system delay after delay and way over budget an now the airlink train have been open for over a year now and no one is riding it no sure why, there been foreign investment for a new Manila airport too from Quatar but you all know where did all the money when.

Fast Eddie 48

GoodEnough
12-17-11, 11:17
As frequent readers of these exchanges may remember, I'm not a large fan of the government here, and have commented frequently on the massive, stultifying corruption in the country. However, this time, it's a private sector-led initiative, so maybe something will actually happen. Or maybe not. One of the problems for the Philippines is that it gets so little foreign direct investment compared to Indonesia or even Vietnam, and it's so cash-starved, that I think even the slowest witted politician recognizes that something has to be done, as the lack of transport infrastructure is one of the constraints often cited by potential foreign investors.

GE.


To GE.

There will be Coruption for sure look at the new Bangkok airport and airlink system delay after delay and way over budget an now the airlink train have been open for over a year now and no one is riding it no sure why, there been foreign investment for a new Manila airport too from Quatar but you all know where did all the money when.

Fast Eddie 48

Nolz7
12-17-11, 13:31
Let us live the politics to the Filipinos and focus on pussies instead.

Slippery
12-17-11, 21:21
Let us live the politics to the Filipinos and focus on pussies instead.Perhaps you have never been to metro Manila or have never tried to get from Bacoor to Malate at 2:00 pm or even at 8:00 pm

Mahaba
12-17-11, 22:16
Perhaps you have never been to metro Manila or have never tried to get from Bacoor to Malate at 2:00 pm or even at 8:00 pmThe place most likely will not change in our lifetimes, so we may as well just deal with it.

Besides, if the country ever does ever change, prices will likely rise and it will no longer be the mongering destination we all enjoy.

Simian
12-18-11, 04:20
The place most likely will not change in our lifetimes, so we may as well just deal with it.

Besides, if the country ever does ever change, prices will likely rise and it will no longer be the mongering destination we all enjoy.I don't agree that prices will rise if there are positive changes in the country. If something could be done about the very high growth in population and the economy could be developed enough to provide employment to the poor, crime would drop and the cost of security would fall. This would reduce prices for consumers. Much crime (kidnapping, mugging at gunpoint, robbing of businesses, hijacking of trucks etc) are done out of desperation for the basics in life.

Added to that, if changes could be implemented in Manila so that people and goods could be easily and quickly moved around, this would also reduce prices and relieve the downward pressure on wages as suppliers try to keep prices down and the only input they can save on is wages.

An example of this occurred yesterday. I received a delivery of goods in the early afternoon. The supplier is based on the outskirts of Manila. His truck took about 10 hours to deliver and get back to his depot. One delivery for one truck in one day when he should be able to effect about 10 deliveries. One supplier told me that he puts 5% extra onto the price of a consignment because of the liklihood of hijacking or theft of the truck. When I asked whether he had lost or damaged goods in one delivery in 20, he smiled and said no but that when someone steals the consignment the truck is often damaged or destroyed or not available to be used for months. The cost of doing business in the Philippines is very high, esp in certain parts of the country

FurryFriend
12-18-11, 05:58
I don't agree that prices will rise if there are positive changes in the country.If there's economic growth, of course prices will rise. It's simple supply and demand.

Higher economic growth = girls have other employment options.

Girls have other employment options = less will become hookers (you think they enjoy sucking dicks and fucking old fat guys?)

Less hookers = remaining hookers, being rarer, can command higher prices.

It is hardly surprising that, the higher a country's GDP per capita, the costlier it is to monger there. Nobody's talking about how cheap it is to monger in Japan or South Korea.

But we're getting way ahead of ourselves. The fact is, none of us will live long enough to see the Philippines even match Thailand's standard of living. It would require two decades of miraculous economic growth that is simply unprecedented. So it's all a moot point worrying about whether prices of mongering in the Philippines will rise.

GoodEnough
12-18-11, 06:07
Believe it or not, in absolute terms, things are getting better here. However, the pace of progress is glacial, while in the "tiger" and would-be tiger economies it's rapid and in some cases visionary. That's why in relative terms, this place falls further behind its neighbors every year. There's no readily apparent national vision in the country, just a lurching slightly forward, in fits and starts, and there's no political will to carry through on much of anything, just empty rhetoric; and endless soap opera in which form trumps substance almost every time. What's slightly encouraging though is the the mega-firms like San Miguel, SM and Ayala are starting to fret about the lack of infrastructure and seem determined to actually do something about it.

GE

Nolz7
12-18-11, 16:24
I have worked there for 10 years till my company closed shop. Unless you are a Filipino which I am not, there is nothing we can do. We should just enjoy the cheap pussy, that's I', saying.

JayHighFive
12-20-11, 00:14
Where is the best place to exchange money in Manilia? Is the airport okay or are there combo type place around in the city?

WhatsUrName
12-20-11, 01:05
Where is the best place to exchange money in Manilia? Is the airport okay or are there combo type place around in the city?My experience is that the money changers in the Airport are OK. There's about 3 money changers there just outside Baggage Claim on NAIA Terminal 1. Be sure to compare the 3 rates, but the best of the 3 tends to be pretty competitive. I normally get about $200 or $300 worth of pesos as soon as I arrive as "walking around money", then shop for the best rates the next day.

My favorite Money Changer is directly across from the Matrix on P. Burgos, then down about another 50-75 feet, next to that Jewelry Store\Pawn Shop. The owner of that Jewelry Store\Pawn Shop also owns the money changer. I like her rates, and use her rates as a baseline to compare to all other money changers. But there are thousands upon thousands of money changers in Manila. Shop on rates.

Be very careful of the Money changers in Malate.

FreebieFan
12-20-11, 01:45
Where is the best place to exchange money in Manilia? Is the airport okay or are there combo type place around in the city?As a general rule, airports in all cities are generally not very good places to change money. Rates are generally always higher than that obtained downtown. The best place to change money is the atm, (except in Thailand where there is a service charge, and its reported also in some but not all Philippines banks atm's.)

Sugoi
12-20-11, 13:31
FF is right. Airports are known for having the worst rates. Just check your home airport when you go back and compare the rates to what you exchanged at in the Philippines.

Sanry's is usually the best place with the best rates. In the P. Burgos area, there is one at the top of the street next to the Andok's chicken by Pussycats and there is one in A. Venue mall.

There is also one outside of Park Square 1 across the street from Dusit, one in Glorietta mall and even one on Pasay Road across the street from New World.

There is also one in Greenbelt 1 behind the flower store. 2 in Market Market. 1 or 2 in Robinson's Galleria in Ortigas, etc.

They are a large chain of places and I have exchanged hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years and have never had a problem.

Another option is Czarina. I've exchanged a lot with them also without issue but usually stick with Sanry's. There's a Czarina across the street from Greenbelt 5 drop off and one in Glorietta also as well as other branches around the metro.

Fastpiston
12-21-11, 21:31
Believe it or not, in absolute terms, things are getting better here. However, the pace of progress is glacial, while in the "tiger" and would-be tiger economies it's rapid and in some cases visionary. That's why in relative terms, this place falls further behind its neighbors every year. There's no readily apparent national vision in the country, just a lurching slightly forward, in fits and starts, and there's no political will to carry through on much of anything, just empty rhetoric; and endless soap opera in which form trumps substance almost every time. What's slightly encouraging though is the the mega-firms like San Miguel, SM and Ayala are starting to fret about the lack of infrastructure and seem determined to actually do something about it.

GEI agree with your comments, with the exception that the big companies in the Philippines are run by dynasty clans who wish to maintain the status quo. That way they have the field all to themselves with no competition. How many hours would SM survive if Walmart or Tesco entered into the Philippine market? That is why the Philippines makes it virtually impossible for foreign companies to operate in the country. The impartial World Bank 'Ease of Running a Busines' survey ranks Philippines 133/160 globally (ranked similar to countries in central Africa).

GoodEnough
12-21-11, 23:04
I agree with your comments, with the exception that the big companies in the Philippines are run by dynasty clans who wish to maintain the status quo. That way they have the field all to themselves with no competition. How many hours would SM survive if Walmart or Tesco entered into the Philippine market? That is why the Philippines makes it virtually impossible for foreign companies to operate in the country. The impartial World Bank 'Ease of Running a Busines' survey ranks Philippines 133/160 globally (ranked similar to countries in central Africa).No argument from me. Most of the "mega" businesses in the country couldn't compete-at least in their current status-with the global firms, which is why the market is essentially shut. It's in the interests of the oligarchs to continue operating the countnry as a private feifdom, and it's going to stay that way for a long, long time.

GE

Questor55
12-21-11, 23:39
No argument from me. Most of the "mega" businesses in the country couldn't compete-at least in their current status-with the global firms, which is why the market is essentially shut. It's in the interests of the oligarchs to continue operating the countnry as a private feifdom, and it's going to stay that way for a long, long time.

GEAnd of course, this continuation of fiefdoms has 'trickle down affects' in every aspect of the culture. For example, the recent catastrophe in CDO / Iligan. Oligarchs support Catholic Church. Church opposes birth control. Population doubles in 30 years. Lack of jobs and scarcity of land results in flimsy shanty towns built in dangerous locations. Illegal logging erradicates ground cover. Inept and corrupt officials do nothing to address potential problems. Heavy rainfall creates massive flash floods. A thousand lives are lost. 'Act of God'? Hmmn. The circle game. Back to the oligarchs and Church. LOL.

Gangles
12-22-11, 15:49
I just cannot believe what I am reading here about big business in the Philippines being uncompetitive.

What do you mean uncompetitive?

In Australia, governments hand out vast amounts of taxpayers dollars to businesses just to keep them open, and employing people.

The car manufacturing business springs to mind, where handouts of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are handed over.

When the going gets a bit tough, the govt props up selected banks with vast amounts of taxpayer dollars.

The government passes large amounts of money to industries via specific contracts.

In the US, when the going got tough, the govt handed vast amounts of taxpayers money to selected banks. Not to all, just the favourites, those that paid the most via their lobbyists. In fact, the actual amounts handed over were about ten times what congress had legislated.

In the UK, right now, the prime minister has vetoed EU financial arrangements so that the British financial industry (the city) can be protected from foreign competition.

So before you sink the boot into Phils business, are you sure that business in your own country is competitive without taxpayer support?

Do I hear a deathly silence?

G

Esteban30
12-23-11, 05:05
I was a couple of times in LA Café Manila, and as I was told, now it is called Bay Café or something like that.

There were many ladies, but from my point of view low quality. I was hassled several times, no like the way they are.

They seem to be very professional getting customer, but as my friends told me quite bad doing her work.

We had bad experiences there, I think the place doesn't worth it.

You will be asked for 2. 000 pesos, but negotiate it to get it down to 1. 000 – 1. 500.

Do not remember the prices of the drinks, but not too expensive.

Lady drink about 140 pesos, but be careful because some of them ask for more expensive cocktails about 330 pesos.

Esteban30
12-23-11, 05:10
There are many places around Ermita area.

Oil massage cost around 350 pesos. 1 hour.

Do not remember very well but for about 500 pesos you can have a hotel service, the masseur goes to your hotel.

In this case you may offer hand-job, you will be asked for a tip of another 500 pesos.

In many massage shops extra services are not offered, so be careful because maybe it is not welcome to ask for it.

Esteban30
12-23-11, 05:35
There are many of them around Ermita area.

Many ladies inside them, some outside trying to get customers inside.

At the beginning I thought they tried to pull my leg when I asked them how the KTV works. It is unbelievable, just paying for singing having the company of the girl clapping how well you are doing.

Many KTV but it seemed not to have customers at all. I do not know how they can sustain such business.

They do not offer extra services, I mean, you cannot take a lady out or do anything else than sing.

So. If you like singing and being clapping for a lady who you are paying, you are in the right place, if not. Keep out of these KTV.

Fast Eddie 48
12-23-11, 06:00
I just cannot believe what I am reading here about big business in the Philippines being uncompetitive.

What do you mean uncompetitive?

In Australia, governments hand out vast amounts of taxpayers dollars to businesses just to keep them open, and employing people.

The car manufacturing business springs to mind, where handouts of hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars are handed over.

When the going gets a bit tough, the govt props up selected banks with vast amounts of taxpayer dollars.

The government passes large amounts of money to industries via specific contracts.

In the US, when the going got tough, the govt handed vast amounts of taxpayers money to selected banks. Not to all, just the favourites, those that paid the most via their lobbyists. In fact, the actual amounts handed over were about ten times what congress had legislated.

In the UK, right now, the prime minister has vetoed EU financial arrangements so that the British financial industry (the city) can be protected from foreign competition.

So before you sink the boot into Phils business, are you sure that business in your own country is competitive without taxpayer support?

Do I hear a deathly silence?

GTo Gangle,

If you are taking about Hand out in the Phillipines the Government is the one getting it under the table that is, many US company don't want to do any business in PI because of all the Coruption so many of us come here for monkey business only.

Fast Eddie 48

Mbsl65
12-24-11, 05:09
MBC is a good place for the mongers. Depends on the time of the day. Try the second floor at late evening. I met with very good looking ladies. Matter of fact, one of them got married and living in Oregon Coast and I do visit her time to time. You can find serious gems there. But you need to be picky.


I was a couple of times in LA Café Manila, and as I was told, now it is called Bay Café or something like that.

There were many ladies, but from my point of view low quality. I was hassled several times, no like the way they are.

They seem to be very professional getting customer, but as my friends told me quite bad doing her work.

We had bad experiences there, I think the place doesn't worth it.

You will be asked for 2. 000 pesos, but negotiate it to get it down to 1. 000 – 1. 500.

Do not remember the prices of the drinks, but not too expensive.

Lady drink about 140 pesos, but be careful because some of them ask for more expensive cocktails about 330 pesos.

Mbsl65
12-24-11, 05:13
Tesco is a very lame operation and in USA, everyone ate their lunch. Walmart had pull out from the many markets at overseas. Unless you know the local taste, big box stores don't do very good in third world countries.


I agree with your comments, with the exception that the big companies in the Philippines are run by dynasty clans who wish to maintain the status quo. That way they have the field all to themselves with no competition. How many hours would SM survive if Walmart or Tesco entered into the Philippine market? That is why the Philippines makes it virtually impossible for foreign companies to operate in the country. The impartial World Bank 'Ease of Running a Busines' survey ranks Philippines 133/160 globally (ranked similar to countries in central Africa).

GoodEnough
12-24-11, 10:58
To Gangle,

If you are taking about Hand out in the Phillipines the Government is the one getting it under the table that is, many US company don't want to do any business in PI because of all the Coruption so many of us come here for monkey business only.

Fast Eddie 48I'm pretty sure that Gangle's point is that it's hypocritical to cast aspersions on the Philippines when Western (and to be fair the Japanese) governments engage in the susidization of entire sectors and industries on a much more massive scale. The US and Europe, for example massively subsidize the Agricultural sectors, while Japan ensures, through the subsidies it pays to its small farmers, that foreign rice cannot penetrate its markets. The point is that all, or almost all governments are corrupt. The US Congress is a wholly-owned subsidiary of special interests, while the line between the public and private sectors in France is written in the sand. The difference is that corruption in the Philippines is somewhat more overt, clumsier and not nearly as sophisticated as that which occurs in the West or in Japan. It's also more direct here. Whereas, for example, I would never dream of offering a bride to a cop anywhere in the States or Europe, or to a civil servant, here it's routine and expected.

GE

Pute Nut
12-24-11, 17:10
Whereas, for example, I would never dream of offering a bride to a cop anywhere in the States or Europe, or to a civil servant, here it's routine and expected.Fortunately there's a steady supply of new ones, whenever you have to turn one over to the coppers.

Cunning Stunt
12-24-11, 17:21
I would never dream of offering a bride to a cop anywhere in the States or Europe, or to a civil servant, here it's routine and expected.LOL, GE, I didn't realize that the old feudal law of "le droit de seigneur" lived on in Davao. No wonder it is so hard to find a virgin here:).

Gangles
12-24-11, 17:31
I have Type II diabetes, and like a lot of fellow sufferers, I used artificial sweeteners for a long time.

Not long ago, a friend sent me a warning about Aspartame, which is a common ingredient in artificial sweeteners. A little bit of research showed that Aspartame is a toxin, a known poison, with some pretty horrific side effects.

Not long ago, a Bill was introduced into the US congress which would make the use of Aspartame illegal because of its known harmful effects. The industry, with deep pockets, unleashed a bunch of lobbyists, with equally deep pockets. Enough congressmen were bought off to make sure that the bill did not get to the floor of the House. That is, money crossed hands with the result that lives of people are put at risk, for increased profits of big business.

Now that is what I call corruption. But then thinking back to my time in the US, I realised that that is actually the way that the US congress is run. By big business. There are thousands of lobbyists working full time in and around the congress, manipulating the process and system of government.

Now that is serious corruption.

The Philippines is amateurish in comparison.

G


I'm pretty sure that Gangle's point is that it's hypocritical to cast aspersions on the Philippines when Western (and to be fair the Japanese) governments engage in the susidization of entire sectors and industries on a much more massive scale. The US and Europe, for example massively subsidize the Agricultural sectors, while Japan ensures, through the subsidies it pays to its small farmers, that foreign rice cannot penetrate its markets. The point is that all, or almost all governments are corrupt. The US Congress is a wholly-owned subsidiary of special interests, while the line between the public and private sectors in France is written in the sand. The difference is that corruption in the Philippines is somewhat more overt, clumsier and not nearly as sophisticated as that which occurs in the West or in Japan. It's also more direct here. Whereas, for example, I would never dream of offering a bride to a cop anywhere in the States or Europe, or to a civil servant, here it's routine and expected.

GE

Mbsl65
12-25-11, 07:43
Asparteme is a rare case. It is the baby of Searle Pharma and Donald Rumsfeld. If any one would read the story behind the Asparteme would hate Rumsfelf one more time. However, since US brought serious anti-corruption and transparency measures into the effect. With good and bad, most of the countries wish they were us. FYI, I lived in several different countries and traveled to many for job and business.


I have Type II diabetes, and like a lot of fellow sufferers, I used artificial sweeteners for a long time.

Not long ago, a friend sent me a warning about Aspartame, which is a common ingredient in artificial sweeteners. A little bit of research showed that Aspartame is a toxin, a known poison, with some pretty horrific side effects.

Not long ago, a Bill was introduced into the US congress which would make the use of Aspartame illegal because of its known harmful effects. The industry, with deep pockets, unleashed a bunch of lobbyists, with equally deep pockets. Enough congressmen were bought off to make sure that the bill did not get to the floor of the House. That is, money crossed hands with the result that lives of people are put at risk, for increased profits of big business.

Now that is what I call corruption. But then thinking back to my time in the US, I realised that that is actually the way that the US congress is run. By big business. There are thousands of lobbyists working full time in and around the congress, manipulating the process and system of government.

Now that is serious corruption.

The Philippines is amateurish in comparison.

G

Transporter
12-25-11, 10:44
Where is the best place to exchange money in Manilia? Is the airport okay or are there combo type place around in the city?Odd as it may seem the money exchange at Manila airport is very good.

It is the one place in the world that I have no problem exchanging money as the rates are the same outside.

Red Kilt
12-25-11, 11:36
I have Type II diabetes, and like a lot of fellow sufferers, I used artificial sweeteners for a long time.

Not long ago, a friend sent me a warning about Aspartame, which is a common ingredient in artificial sweeteners. A little bit of research showed that Aspartame is a toxin, a known poison, with some pretty horrific side effects.I know you were making a political point using Aspartame as an example Gangles old mate but just as an aside: you can use Stevia as the sweetener replacement now.

It is a naturally occurring substance derived from a plant (from within the sunflower family) , and is available in the Philippines (and no doubt in Oz too) and all signs seem to point to it being safe. It is extremely sweet.

The best variety for me is "Stevita" (from Healthy Options) , but another variety is "Sweet & Fit" from Mercury Drug.

GoodEnough
12-25-11, 14:20
LOL, GE, I didn't realize that the old feudal law of "le droit de seigneur" lived on in Davao. No wonder it is so hard to find a virgin here:).Wish I had th courage to test droit du seigneur at my office, as there are some seriously young punanis there with whom I would love to exercise la droit.

GE

Chocha Monger
12-26-11, 00:33
To Gangle,

If you are taking about Hand out in the Phillipines the Government is the one getting it under the table that is, many US company don't want to do any business in PI because of all the Coruption so many of us come here for monkey business only.

Fast Eddie 48This video gives an idea of the overall situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctuAxPr96qs

WestCoast1
12-26-11, 01:40
This video gives an idea of the overall situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctuAxPr96qsYa, but they have a sense of humor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEtKgtFPGB0&feature=related

Nolz7
12-26-11, 12:45
Ya, but they have a sense of humor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEtKgtFPGB0&feature=relatedOh she got a lot of flames from her fellow filipinos. But in fairness, she is kinda cute!

Gangles
12-26-11, 16:25
If you believe for one minute that that video on youtube gives a balanced assesment of the merits of one governmental system over another, just think of these countries, in my patch of dirt, which have parliamentary systems. Papua New Guinea, Vanuatu, Solomon Islands, Tuvalu.

And to suggest that Australia is a rich country because it has a parliamentary system ignores the self evident fact that Australia only survives because it is a huge continent with very few people, and it has vast reserves of coal and iron ore which we just dig out of the ground and sell. If it were not for the luck of these mineral resources, we would be living in poverty. Almost nil manufacturing, good agriculture being ruined by successive governments, negligible export services. We import 80% of all of the seafood that we eat, despite having the largest per capita fisheries in the world. We import 80% of all of the wood product that we consume, despite having vast forests.

Interestingly, the youtube list of presidential systems omitted the USA.

It is a ridiculous video, grossly biassed.

Get real.

G


This video gives an idea of the overall situation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctuAxPr96qs

Wjmpsr
12-31-11, 20:37
Send me a private message if you are interested, her hotel will be close to MBC. She is interested in big and maybe a gang.

Asian Rain
01-01-12, 10:22
on my last trip i paid a visit to carriedo to check out the street action. thanks to cs and wc for pointing out this area. i was specifically looking for a spot with daytime action in this area to develop for weekday lunchtime quickies, so it was worth checking out. since the original posts of cs / wc are now well-buried under several pages of off-topic amateur imf posts, i am quoting their original posts below. it is interesting how senior members will blast a newbie for info requests, but will have no issues in filling up the manila thread with their views on the causes of local economic ills.

from the descriptions below i was able to figure out the area on google maps. if you see the street map and satellite views from the first two attachments, you can spot wc's mcdo at the top left. since i was staying near robinson's malate, i had taken the 3-stop lrt ride from pedro gil to carriedo station. i actually visited on two separate occasions. arriving 4pm on a thursday and 2pm on a saturday. in pic #3, you can see the scene at the bottom of the stairs as you exit from the lrt (in pic #2, this is located at the blue lrt symbol for carriedo station).

walked up the right side of rizal ave. under the covered sidewalk at a leisurely pace. there were some "psst psst" ladies, but they were really old. one came up to me and offered to find me a girl. passed. after about 500m was the end of the covered walk, so i crossed the street and walked back up the other side of the street. there were also sws at the front of the puregold jr near the sogo hotel. again girls offered themselves at php500 short time, but nothing i was interested in. one lady asked me what i was looking for. i replied "young and slim". she asked me to wait and brought me a horrid-looking thing that was missing a good portion of her teeth.

on neither visit did i partake in the offerings. there were a couple girls i could have taken (same quality as the girls in cs's original post) , but i had other options that i planned to meet in early evening and i didn't want to be shagged out. i can verify that there is certainly street action. i can verify that the price is circa php500. there are tons of hourly-type short time no-tell motels. sogo, astrotel (in pic #4) as well as even cheaper options. on the way back, i wondered why the quality and selection was rather lacking. my best guess, especially for the saturday visit, was that i simply arrived too late. for the daytime action, my guess was that most pickups happen between 11am-1pm, where guys can pick up a girl, take her back to one of the short time hotels for a leisurely afternoon delight and be back home by early evening.

i didn't see but a few talents on the bright side of 20yo, but that does not mean that the younger workers are not part of the scene, so exercise common sense. again, my sense was that timing of arrival was a key factor in the general quantity and quality of the action available for daytime. i will definitely be checking this area out in the future, worth developing.

would really appreciate any other info on action in this general area. it was refreshing to see something besides the usual mbc / lac pro&con reports. enjoy manila, asianrain.


not been there for a couple of years but there used to be an excellent street scene along carriedo, underneath the lrt line heading north. starting at about 10 at night after the quiapo market has finished for the day, the selection varies from night to night but is sometimes pretty good. watch out for **** girls though, as being close to chinatown, young pussy is much in demand. the street used to be pedestrianized under the last mayor but has now reverted under lim. there are many ktv's, discos and local style girly bars with lots of locals wandering around so the area feels fairly safe however not many foreigners get down here so i wouldn't advise flashing wads of notes or getting drunk in this area. there are any number of spit and sawdust short time hotels and a sogo.

prices are low with girls going for 500 st for foreigners and presumably less for locals. some adventurous soul might like to check it out and report back.
my pinay took me over to quiapo for some shopping. we hit a mcdo in a small mall on a corner, then were walking back up the street past the lrt. it started raining like crazy and the taxis were ignoring us, so we just kept walking. it was about 1pm, early afternoon. my girl pointed out the various young girls standing around doing nothing, staring at me as we went by, as hookers."they are a cheap. many disease. too sick to bargirl even." eventually we stopped at a vendor and looked at some cheap jewelry, and i wandered off to another vendor nearby, losing my girl for a moment. three young girls started giving me the tijuana sw "psst!" when i looked over at them, one said,"hey. 500 all day. one thousand two girl all day." my pinay grabbed my arm and hustled me up the street. am pretty sure the one who was talking was 14 or 15, and the others were 16-18. we walked several more minutes until we finally got a taxi. we probably passed 40 girls like this, hanging in the business entrances.

Mr Enternational
01-01-12, 21:31
On my last trip I paid a visit to Carriedo to check out the street action. One lady asked me what I was looking for. I replied "young and slim". She asked me to wait and brought me a horrid-looking thing that was missing a good portion of her teeth.Was she young and slim like you asked for? (Posted in ROD)

Cunning Stunt
01-02-12, 04:08
I was specifically looking for a spot with daytime action in this area to develop for weekday lunchtime quickies, so it was worth checking out.

Would really appreciate any other info on action in this general area. It was refreshing to see something besides the usual MBC / LAC pro&con reports. Enjoy Manila, AsianRain.Carriedo is at its best late at night. I'm not surprised that the daytime offering was rather skanky and poor.

Has anyone noticed the daytime SW action around Cubao Araneta MRT station? I was meeting someone near the station and was interested to see the number of girls hanging around clustered near the walkway exits where the station adjoins the Farmers Plaza Mall and inside the mall itself. Quality was pretty good but again, age seemed to be a concern and I would ensure that a girl was definitely legal before taking. There are big branches of Sogo and Eurotel within short walking distance which might account for the presence of the girls. I didn't have time to check it out further but made a mental note for further investigation. The nearby Farmers Market is a well known and notorious local night time pick-up area.

Would be interested to hear if anyone has walked a girl from here and details of price / service etc.

AgentOrange
01-02-12, 04:29
The Carriedo area is very dangerous to pick up freelancers not to mention of very poor quality. Most of these girls are bar and massage parlor rejects because they have failed the required government health checks imposed on these establishments. Others are looking to scam their next victim as they are in cahoots with police and / or motel management. If you decide to take the risk and let the little head think, never let the girl decide which short-time motel to go and always ask for I'd for younger looking girls.

Asian Rain
01-02-12, 08:45
Was she young and slim like you asked for? (Posted in ROD)Not really. My range allowance of "slim and young" is pretty clear: 18-20yo and no more than 45kg, with an ideal target of 18yo / 40kg. The girl that was brought to me was well above target. I would guess 23yo and over 50kg, with what looked like a MILF belly. Reject. Reject.

As with CS, I would be interested in experiences rather than opinions. With the massive numbers of short time hotels in the area, this is obviously a well-developed market, although caution is always merited if you are in a new territory. AR

Hairy Wonder
01-03-12, 02:10
I was just looking at Google Maps, and noticed that on P Burgos it has listed the Shampoo "Ladyboy bar." Now it has been a couple of years since that last time I was there, and things could have changed. But it was definitely not a ladyboy bar when I visited last. Can anyone confirm the status of this bar?

Bonker04
01-03-12, 04:02
I was just looking at Google Maps, and noticed that on P Burgos it has listed the Shampoo "Ladyboy bar." Now it has been a couple of years since that last time I was there, and things could have changed. But it was definitely not a ladyboy bar when I visited last. Can anyone confirm the status of this bar?The 'Shampoo' bar I think you mean is just across the street from Oxford Suites Hotel, on the corner. I have been in there several times last year, the last time in

November, and it certainly wasn't a Ladyboy bar then. Some really cute girls in there.

Bonker

Vatrogasac
01-06-12, 16:46
Hi to all of you Philippines experts.

So I am coming to Manila next month. As I am staying at my friend place is not OK to bring some girls there.

I need advice which in which hotel I can go for short time (few hours) in manila-as I am on realy tight budget-so please only budget option.

Address please.

Sory for my english-not from english speaking area.

Gangles
01-07-12, 00:36
I guess that many mongers have found that pinay tend to not have suitable swimwear when invited for a swim in the hotel pool.

So I like to have a number of bikinis available for them to choose from. I like the skimpy, string tie type, because they are infinitely adjustable to any shape and size of body.

Usually I transit into Phils via Angeles City, where they are readily available for 150 pesos each, but this time it is into Manila direct.

Does anyone know where I can buy some of these cheap?

G

X Man
01-07-12, 02:40
You want an "address", yet you give us the broadly defined area of."Manila". Hmmmm.

There is a "Manila Hotel" thread which should give you some ideas. Also.

www.hotelsogo.com

X Man


Hi to all of you Philippines experts.

So I am coming to Manila next month. As I am staying at my friend place is not OK to bring some girls there.

I need advice which in which hotel I can go for short time (few hours) in manila-as I am on realy tight budget-so please only budget option.

Address please.

Sory for my english-not from english speaking area.

X Man
01-07-12, 02:50
I seem to have been talked into dancing on a Saturday night in Manila. I imagine everywhere will be crowded. God help me.

I'm staying in Malate and would consider going to Makati. Can anyone give a rough description of some places they like? Disco or live music would be fine. I would probably not be interested in a place with country music or heavy hip-hop.

If I get stressed out in a crowded disco, is there a nice music club with a mellow atmosphere as an alternative?

I know:

Cowboy Grill Ermita. Live band, small dance floor.

LA cafe. Sometimes poor quality bands (like Friday night) , possibilty of my "regular" gal getting turned over to the dark side.

Nirvana. Never been there, but that is what I'm leaning toward at the moment. On Taft ave.

Republic IQ. Never been there, but it was recommended as a nicer place. Apparently in Paranaque, near Terminal 3.

Hard Rock. Its been years since I visited, but they had a nice set up with live band at one time.

Now, let me get to polishing my dancing shoes.

X Man

BadIdea
01-07-12, 03:26
SO I'm searching on DIA and I get a message from a cutie but her City is not Manila, I tell her that I'm only going to Manila. She says she's in Manila, that its just a part of Manila. So I search the city name and sure enough its part of Manila and there are 25 or so girls that list that on DIA. So what other citys should I be searching for other than Manila? For example I searched Pasig, and I get hundreds of girls that I would not have seen by only searching Manila! Are there others that I should search?

Key Master
01-07-12, 06:31
I seem to have been talked into dancing on a Saturday night in Manila. I imagine everywhere will be crowded. God help me.

I'm staying in Malate and would consider going to Makati. Can anyone give a rough description of some places they like? Disco or live music would be fine. I would probably not be interested in a place with country music or heavy hip-hop.

If I get stressed out in a crowded disco, is there a nice music club with a mellow atmosphere as an alternative?

I know:

Cowboy Grill Ermita. Live band, small dance floor.

LA cafe. Sometimes poor quality bands (like Friday night) , possibilty of my "regular" gal getting turned over to the dark side.

Nirvana. Never been there, but that is what I'm leaning toward at the moment. On Taft ave.

Republic IQ. Never been there, but it was recommended as a nicer place. Apparently in Paranaque, near Terminal 3.

Hard Rock. Its been years since I visited, but they had a nice set up with live band at one time.

Now, let me get to polishing my dancing shoes.

X ManLA Cafe to dance? I don't think so. Nirvana, I thought that were closed, but I could be wrong. Cowboy Grill is a combination of comedy with live bands, and some dancing, definitely on the less extravagant but a fun place at least for the locals with the bands and their comedic ways, but some of the joking is in Tagalog. I went to Republic and it's in a nice mall / casino there by the airport. It's definitely more upscale. There is another one in the same building that starts with an "O", but that place gets really crowded late. Kind of depends on your company I guess. Not sure if any of those places are really for doing a lot of dancing, but whatever works.

Fast Buck Artist
01-07-12, 06:37
SO I'm searching on DIA and I get a message from a cutie but her City is not Manila, I tell her that I'm only going to Manila. She says she's in Manila, that its just a part of Manila. So I search the city name and sure enough its part of Manila and there are 25 or so girls that list that on DIA. So what other citys should I be searching for other than Manila? For example I searched Pasig, and I get hundreds of girls that I would not have seen by only searching Manila! Are there others that I should search?What they call Manila is just one suburb of the city, the historical center. The surrounding suburbs all have their own names. Pasig, Marikina, Makati, etc. A person living in Marikina would have no Manila mentioned in their address, the address would be 1 Buko St, Marikina, Philippines

DIA has a very bad location search feature. If you are not familiar with Philippine geography, you'll be spending lots of time with google maps figuring out who is from where.

Fil Cupid has probably the best search feature that takes geography into account, but its a pay site.

WestCoast1
01-07-12, 06:58
SO I'm searching on DIA and I get a message from a cutie but her City is not Manila, I tell her that I'm only going to Manila. She says she's in Manila, that its just a part of Manila. So I search the city name and sure enough its part of Manila and there are 25 or so girls that list that on DIA. So what other citys should I be searching for other than Manila? For example I searched Pasig, and I get hundreds of girls that I would not have seen by only searching Manila! Are there others that I should search?I tried to send you a Private Message, but you haven't paid the subscription yet. There are 17 'subdivisions' or cities that make up the greater Manila area. If you are in any of them (ie Pasig) , you can say you went to Manila.

Next, if you can afford to fly to pinas, you can spend the $20 to get a subscription. Go have fun, write us a nice Field Report first, then ask questions.

WestCoast1
01-07-12, 07:07
Hi to all of you Philippines experts.

So I am coming to Manila next month. As I am staying at my friend place is not OK to bring some girls there.

I need advice which in which hotel I can go for short time (few hours) in manila-as I am on realy tight budget-so please only budget option.

Address please.

Sory for my english-not from english speaking area.Another first-time, non-member poster, asking questions.

1. Purchase a membership, and send your questions in PM.

2. Post a detailed FR before asking questions on the board.

Cunning Stunt
01-07-12, 08:18
Another first-time, non-member poster, asking questions.

1. Purchase a membership, and send your questions in PM.

2. Post a detailed FR before asking questions on the board.Or maybe just RTFF. Just look in the logical place (Manila Hotels) and it is all there, much of it discussed recently.

How do some of these guys find their way to their departure airport, let alone cope in a 'savvy' place such as Manila? It's a mystery.

Cunning Stunt
01-07-12, 08:29
I seem to have been talked into dancing on a Saturday night in Manila. I imagine everywhere will be crowded. God help me.

I'm staying in Malate and would consider going to Makati. Can anyone give a rough description of some places they like? Disco or live music would be fine. I would probably not be interested in a place with country music or heavy hip-hop.

If I get stressed out in a crowded disco, is there a nice music club with a mellow atmosphere as an alternative?

I know:

Cowboy Grill Ermita. Live band, small dance floor.

LA cafe. Sometimes poor quality bands (like Friday night) , possibilty of my "regular" gal getting turned over to the dark side.

Nirvana. Never been there, but that is what I'm leaning toward at the moment. On Taft ave.

Republic IQ. Never been there, but it was recommended as a nicer place. Apparently in Paranaque, near Terminal 3.

Hard Rock. Its been years since I visited, but they had a nice set up with live band at one time.

Now, let me get to polishing my dancing shoes.

X ManLet me know when and where? I need a good laugh!

There is an OAP's Tea Dance at the Old Fogeys Club which would suit you perfectly. Plaid bell-bottoms allowed.

Just so you cannot accuse me of wasting bandwidth, be aware that Nirvana is not only closed but has been demolished in its former Taft location. Don't know if it has reopened elsewhere.

D Cups
01-07-12, 14:02
Hi X Man, there is a rock and roll bar on the street behind Burgos in Makati that is pretty good. Sorry, I don't know the name of it but it was packed with pinays and some westerners. The band was good: I even bought their CD! Food was good, too. Picked up a little hottie there and banged her for free (well except taxi money in the morning.

In Malate, there is Freddie Aguilars, a Filipino legend, close to Robinson's on Adriatico. It's a small, intimate place but they do rock. I jammed on guitar with Freddie's son, Jericho, on stage there. It's a fun place, good place to take a date. Have fun.


I seem to have been talked into dancing on a Saturday night in Manila. I imagine everywhere will be crowded. God help me.

I'm staying in Malate and would consider going to Makati. Can anyone give a rough description of some places they like? Disco or live music would be fine. I would probably not be interested in a place with country music or heavy hip-hop.

If I get stressed out in a crowded disco, is there a nice music club with a mellow atmosphere as an alternative?

I know:

Cowboy Grill Ermita. Live band, small dance floor.

LA cafe. Sometimes poor quality bands (like Friday night) , possibilty of my "regular" gal getting turned over to the dark side.

Nirvana. Never been there, but that is what I'm leaning toward at the moment. On Taft ave.

Republic IQ. Never been there, but it was recommended as a nicer place. Apparently in Paranaque, near Terminal 3.

Hard Rock. Its been years since I visited, but they had a nice set up with live band at one time.

Now, let me get to polishing my dancing shoes.

X Man

Red Kilt
01-07-12, 14:55
What they call Manila is just one suburb of the city, the historical center. The surrounding suburbs all have their own names. Pasig, Marikina, Makati, etc. A person living in Marikina would have no Manila mentioned in their address, the address would be 1 Buko St, Marikina, PhilippinesFBA is correct. What we know as Metro Manila or National Capital Region is actually a collection of 17 different cities.

DIA simply reports whatever the girl puts in her location.

So she might put Manila meaning Metro Manila as she doesn't want to pinpoint her location, or she might put just Ermita or Ermita, Manila or she might put Malate or Malate, Manila.

But wait. There's more to confuse you.

If you search Quezon City you get a specific list.

If you search QC (the abbreviation of the above) you will get different names of women living in the same place.

If a girl puts Cubao, Quezon City or Cubao, QC, as her location, then that really confounds things.

There is Pasig and also Pasig City. Both yield different lists, as do each of the cities that you might input.

BTW, just for interest, the major focus areas (cities) are (reading from north to south (roughly speaking because some of them are on the same East-to West line) :

Kalookan (aka Caloocan) ; Navotas; Valenzuela; Malabon; QC; Marikina; San Juan; Manila; Mandaluyong; Pasig; Makati; Taguig; Pateros; Pasay; Paranaque; Las Pinas; Muntinlupa.

I hope this helps but I fear it hinders LOL.

Mc Don
01-07-12, 16:26
Hi to all of you Philippines experts.

So I am coming to Manila next month. As I am staying at my friend place is not OK to bring some girls there.

I need advice which in which hotel I can go for short time (few hours) in manila-as I am on realy tight budget-so please only budget option.

Address please.

Sory for my english-not from english speaking area.Mr fireman, get a subsription if you can LOL. Find out WHERE your friend lives, manila is 15 mil, a huge huge city. Have a look at SOGO hotel chain, there is one almost everywhere. Have fun

Mc Don
01-07-12, 16:34
I seem to have been talked into dancing on a Saturday night in Manila. I imagine everywhere will be crowded. God help me.

I'm staying in Malate and would consider going to Makati. Can anyone give a rough description of some places they like? Disco or live music would be fine. I would probably not be interested in a place with country music or heavy hip-hop.

If I get stressed out in a crowded disco, is there a nice music club with a mellow atmosphere as an alternative?

I know:

Cowboy Grill Ermita. Live band, small dance floor.

LA cafe. Sometimes poor quality bands (like Friday night) , possibilty of my "regular" gal getting turned over to the dark side.

Nirvana. Never been there, but that is what I'm leaning toward at the moment. On Taft ave.

Republic IQ. Never been there, but it was recommended as a nicer place. Apparently in Paranaque, near Terminal 3.

Hard Rock. Its been years since I visited, but they had a nice set up with live band at one time.

Now, let me get to polishing my dancing shoes.

X ManBe prepared to wait in a long q if you decide to go Republiq. Check with people in the know or give it a miss. In makati you may want to try the disco under the new world hotel (sorry can't remember the name now) or ICON in intercontinental. There are few other ok places accoross the road from city garden near burgos. Have a look around, there is a disco there just next to a KTV joint and a lounge bar. Hard rock is also ok, Thursday and Saturday I think you have the MOCA girls, some nice eye candy there. Bed Rock in Malate is another ok live music venue. There are few venues further out in eastwood libis but stick to makati / malate.

Mc Don
01-07-12, 16:38
Ask the girl. Robinson / Harrison in Malate would be my best guess but you will still pay more then you pay at the muslim market in AC. Few other markets further away would have it but its not worth the time and the taxi fare.


I guess that many mongers have found that pinay tend to not have suitable swimwear when invited for a swim in the hotel pool.

So I like to have a number of bikinis available for them to choose from. I like the skimpy, string tie type, because they are infinitely adjustable to any shape and size of body.

Usually I transit into Phils via Angeles City, where they are readily available for 150 pesos each, but this time it is into Manila direct.

Does anyone know where I can buy some of these cheap?

G

WestCoast1
01-07-12, 17:45
Ask the girl. Robinson / Harrison in Malate would be my best guess but you will still pay more then you pay at the muslim market in AC.Where is the muslim market in AC?

BadIdea
01-07-12, 20:47
FBA is correct. What we know as Metro Manila or National Capital Region is actually a collection of 17 different cities.

DIA simply reports whatever the girl puts in her location.

So she might put Manila meaning Metro Manila as she doesn't want to pinpoint her location, or she might put just Ermita or Ermita, Manila or she might put Malate or Malate, Manila.

But wait. There's more to confuse you.

If you search Quezon City you get a specific list.

If you search QC (the abbreviation of the above) you will get different names of women living in the same place.

If a girl puts Cubao, Quezon City or Cubao, QC, as her location, then that really confounds things.

There is Pasig and also Pasig City. Both yield different lists, as do each of the cities that you might input.

BTW, just for interest, the major focus areas (cities) are (reading from north to south (roughly speaking because some of them are on the same East-to West line) :

Kalookan (aka Caloocan) ; Navotas; Valenzuela; Malabon; QC; Marikina; San Juan; Manila; Mandaluyong; Pasig; Makati; Taguig; Pateros; Pasay; Paranaque; Las Pinas; Muntinlupa.

I hope this helps but I fear it hinders LOL.Red Kilt, thanks! That is very useful. I was using Google maps, but knew that I would be missing some.

Westcoast1, why PM this kind of info? I'd think it would be the kind of things us first timers to Manila would find useful.

Sky Ryder
01-07-12, 21:26
Where is the muslim market in AC?WC1,

I assume it is the market just up the street from Pacific Breeze and across the street from Tropix. It is about 1 block in size and packed with stalls selling just about anything, lots of clothes, shoes, swimming attire, etc. It seems a number of the vendors are Muslim Pinays, which given the locale and items they sell, always makes me smile!

WestCoast1
01-07-12, 22:07
WC1,

I assume it is the market just up the street from Pacific Breeze and across the street from Tropix. It is about 1 block in size and packed with stalls selling just about anything, lots of clothes, shoes, swimming attire, etc. It seems a number of the vendors are Muslim Pinays, which given the locale and items they sell, always makes me smile!Thanks. Across from Tropix-Agasaya-BodyShop. Bought a few items there. Hadn't heard it called that before. You're right, good shopping there.

WestCoast1
01-07-12, 22:59
Westcoast1, why PM this kind of info? I'd think it would be the kind of things us first timers to Manila would find useful.BI:

We don't normally respond to newbs first round of questions. We aren't snobby, but we typically answer questions from people who have already been to PI and posted a Field Report. We don't normally respond at all to non-paying members questions. We do typically respond to PM's for newbs. There is good reason for this. 1) Newbs, who can easily afford the $20 to buy a subscription (they are, after all, able to afford an airline ticket and hotels in RP) , are too cheap to do so. They read the board here, and figure they can get easy quick advice from the regulars. That's not what we are about. 2) We'd like to make sure Jackson has the requisites to keep the board running (ie, members) , and we are about helping each other (read: paying members).3) Few things are worse on the board than when a new, non-paying member asks on the open board something like: "Whats a good hotel to stay at in Makati? I'm planning a 10-day trip, blah blah." Please, pay up the membership fee for Jackson, and ask me in PM. Many of us here are willing to share in PM about prices, hotels, food, laundry, culture, transportation, etc. (but not necessarily girl's contact information) , assuming that 4) you have RTTF first (newbs rarely do this. Even senior members who are good posters in other countries fail to Read Thru The philipine Forums at times before their first visit).

Please see my posting just a few posts down from this one, or on the second page, here in the Manila thread:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=1234578&viewfull=1#post1234578

Sxxxx
01-07-12, 23:07
Thanks. Across from Tropix-Agasaya-BodyShop. Bought a few items there. Hadn't heard it called that before. You're right, good shopping there.Yes directly opposite Anchorage Hotel, in Real Street. Starts opposite side of road to Crystal Palace, where there are 2/3 Muslim vendors. Further on, did not notice Muslim type vendors. Maybe 15/20 mini stalls in total. Don't know if this one is called Muslim Market, doubt that, non muslim sellers are the majority. Well, at least majority are not wearing head scalfs, long dresses and did not come across to me as the reverent Muslim types. I have bought there on at least four occasions for Angeles and Cebu girls. Nothing like it in Cebu, I am told. Sexy skimpy dresses, shoes, bra's, all manner of things for Hookers and brazen hussies. Did not notice bikinis, but wasnt looking for them either.

When I bought something sexy there for a gal, she told me similar but better items on sale somewhere in McArthur Highway, don't know spefically where. But reckon it would be near the t intersection of Fields and McArthur Hwy, close to hookers. If its sexy gear, suggest ask one of the girls or mama-sans for location of biggest range, and good prices. Most of Real St vendors have identical items. Real St one is convenient location and obviously caters for ladies wanting to look sexy, at a modest price. Better quality items, and most probably slightly higher priced ones at places like McArthur, I suppose. At Real St, you can bargain re price, and Westcoast / Enternational, no need to give a tip, LOL.

Greek Niko
01-09-12, 21:08
Where is the muslim market in AC?You can bargain with them really well and its right across from Tequilla Reef.

Sxxxx
01-10-12, 04:41
You can bargain with them really well and its right across from Tequilla Reef.To make it really clear where so called Muslim Market is located, exit Fields Ave at corner where Kokomo's is located and your on A Santos St, Blow Row, turn into first street on your right, Real Street. Native style markets we are talking about commence on left hand side few metres up Real St. As they mostly have identical items, yes you can bargain with them. Bring a copy of the Koran with you, and the first 2/3 Muslim traders on your left might give you a nice discount, LOL.

Red Kilt
01-12-12, 03:33
Breaking News for all you guys for whom 200 pesos is important.

http://ph.news.yahoo.com/from-p750--naia-terminal-fee-rolled-back-to-p550.html