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Devils 1
06-13-12, 16:41
Its the third world psyche for abusing the power one gets is the problem.Star, I think you are probably right about this. Those of us from the west don't have the same perspective because unfortunately we feel this sense of entitlement. Which leads to a whole different set of problems.

It seems the best thing we could do here is maybe create our own version of "take your Pinay GF abroad for Dummies." I will talk to several girls I know who have travelled and see if I can post some pointers on how they handle the immigration problem.

From my past experience one of the biggest problems I have seen is they really screen the younger women hard. One time I was travelling to Hong Kong with my 19 yr old GF and the customs guy made her call her father so the customs man could speak to him to verify that she had permission to leave. When I looked back at it, it made sense. She was 19, had never used her passport before and I was a whole lot older than her.

Some things I can think of off the top of my head: make sure you are both dressed nicely so that you give the impression of upper class. Its been mentioned before but, I think the old advice of not losing your cool and adopting an attitude of "I'm going to play the game with you, but we are definitely getting on the airplane" is important.

FreebieFan
06-14-12, 02:12
Star, I think you are probably right about this. Those of us from the west don't have the same perspective because unfortunately we feel this sense of entitlement. Which leads to a whole different set of problems.

It seems the best thing we could do here is maybe create our own version of "take your Pinay GF abroad for Dummies." I will talk to several girls I know who have travelled and see if I can post some pointers on how they handle the immigration problem.

From my past experience one of the biggest problems I have seen is they really screen the younger women hard. One time I was travelling to Hong Kong with my 19 yr old GF and the customs guy made her call her father so the customs man could speak to him to verify that she had permission to leave. When I looked back at it, it made sense. She was 19, had never used her passport before and I was a whole lot older than her.

Some things I can think of off the top of my head: make sure you are both dressed nicely so that you give the impression of upper class. Its been mentioned before but, I think the old advice of not losing your cool and adopting an attitude of "I'm going to play the game with you, but we are definitely getting on the airplane" is important.One the keys to success, that many of the girls are asked (beyond the name of guy, hotel reservation, money etc) is " do you have a photo of both of you together?

Now in this day and age no one carries kodaks best prints, but this seems to be one of the keys to success.

Normal happy girl looks at bo, why boy looks at girl type pics (with clothes on!). The more the better.

The other one is the chicken and egg one. They question girls with virgin untouched passport's more, but how does she gets stamps if she's not allowed out?

No doubt, one of those fine Immigration fellows might be reading this.

So maybe they will now be prepare for girls standing in line clutching pics of themselves with their honeyko. No doubt they will now add a new requirement.

Mc Don
06-15-12, 16:50
I booked the trip a while ago and the idea at the time was to be a girl friend experience holiday with lots of short time fun in LOS to be followed after I leave the land of shopping malls. Inspired by FreebieFan and his reports few weeks before the trip I decided to deviate from the original plan for at least a day and see if I can schedule as good as the master. He makes it sound so easy but there is much more to it as I found out. Anyway let's start from the beginning.

I slept from Australia to Singapore like a baby. The night before I didn't sleep as I had so much work to finish up so when the gates at the airport closed I finally felt relief. In Singapore I had 4 or so hours to kill so it was a race to first clear customs, then drop off luggage and finally be in a taxi to geylang. Two shor times, a quick meal, chocolate and cherry (yes real cherries, I will explain this latter) shopping latter, some S$300 down I was back at the airport ready to board my Airphilexpress flight to manila. I sent my 4 'targets' txt from Singapore telling them I will be in Manila latter that evening. None replayed, I guess first signs of this is not going to be as easy as I thought come to mind but then there is always the other side of the coin, maybe they didn't replay because its expensive or they are out of load. I guess I was searching for excuses and wondering at the same time of how this will turn out. 3 and a half hours in the plane spend fantasizing of what will happen next. At this stage I guess I should say I have no probs with this airline flight was smooth and half full. For a budget carrier they meet my expectations.

I touched down around 1. 30am at terminal 3. Another set of txts was sent right away to the 4 as I was walking what seemed like an endless corridor with broken escalators on the side. I only had carry on, so I quickly cleared customs and tried to find a money changer. Nope, none at sight, only on level 3 but I exchanged some cash with the car rental dude there. He took me for a 100p but at this point time was critical for me as it seemed plan B has to come in place. In a cab going to Makati one last text sent to the 4 and finally one replay. It's the tomorrow afternoon girl. She is excited that I am real and that I am here and lets me know her Chinese girlfriend will be free to play too. I ask her if she could come now as I am not as tired as I was thinking that I will be but she says she is home comfortable, it's too late plus it's raining. As the cab is approaching Best Western Antel Spa Suites in Makati (opposite City Garden) I figure out my first mistake. Schedule the sluts at night, the princesses are likely to be in bed either theirs or someone else's. Nice girls stay home or even if the go out unlike in the west they don't stay up too late, probably due to poor finances and harder options to get back home. I fucked up here because I was thinking with my dick rather than my head, plus the girl I was suppose to meet also wanted to meet me as soon as I land. Hm, normal I guess, she would have agreed to anything out of fear that I don't find someone that night. Anyway I am 5 min walk from Burgos and meat market is to start soon so I try my best to quickly check in. I guess when things don't go my way they just don't go. The hotel has given out my room and for few min they were trying to work out a solution as I was going nuts, and they finally worked it out! They were going to upgrade me in their sister hotel next door A Venue Suites to the fucking 2m by 2m prison cell room with another 2m by 2m dining room and you guessed it another 2m by 2m bedroom (with 2 single beds) apartment. I tried to explain the manager that I want a large nice ONE bedroom hence why I booked there instead of next door or St Gilles but in his mind he gave me an upgrade since my room is now a 6500 peso apartment. No point arguing considering I was running short on time and really I booked through Agoda so chasing refunds and trying to find another place was just too much hustle. I got him to give me a late check out, breakfast vouchers and wifi and that was it. I dropped my luggage in the room, secured my valuables in the safe and off to Burgos I go.

Mc Don
06-15-12, 16:55
Saturday June 2nd, around 3am, Burgos. 17 hours before Ms J (my gf) arrives.

Street is dead. At 3am I guess no surprise.

First stop Rogues. Bar has 4-5 clients and about 15-20 girls. I order a San Mig and seat by the bar. I chat with few girls but it seems they all finish 8am. Have they changed the shifts there or maybe I am too late and all the night shift cuties have been already bar fined? Usually at this time there is a mix of girls that finish up around 4 and 8am but I didn't hit any of the 4am shift even though I spoke to maybe a dozen. No time to waste paid my bill, and moved on to the next bar.

Bourbon St was still buzzing when I got in although it was me and an older jap customer there. Plenty of girls, dancing as if the place was packed. I seat at the back ordered a drink and quickly started to ogle the talent on offer. One of my past conquests recognised me and came to say hi but I wasn't in the mood for her. Instead I asked if she could bring me another girl that caught my eye. Tall girl maybe around 165cm with white milky skin and a C cup. Normally not my type but hey change would be nice for few hours at least. I quckly inspect her rack and its good. My hand slides in her panties as I order her a drink and we quickly have a chat. She finishes at 4am and agrees to meet me at the old Matrix. She keys her number in my phone and rings it so she gets my number too. I finish my drink and I go to look for a back up just in case.

Bottoms was my last stop as normally I get results there. Again just me and another customer. As soon as I walk in mamasan comes to tell me the new rules. Considering the time I just can't work out if all she wants is a drink or she remembers my last episode there when I had couple of girls giving a blow job in the smoking area. Hm, anyway thats no longer allowed LOL. I thank mama for her advice I pick and tell mamasan that we will have a drink in the smoking area passing mama a 100p bill and of we go. The waitress brought the drinks and left. No one bothered us. LOL at the new rules, I guess we are back at playing cat and mouse games again making sure everyone gets looked after. The girl I picked was a spinner that probably weighted around 35kg tops. Small body and boobs and tight shaven pussy. A pure delight. 4 am finish as well. Same as the other girl, she rings her phone to get my number and off I go.

At the old matrix (can't remember the new name now) I order another san mig and sisig and take in the atmosphere. Hell it's good to be back. First time in a long time I can say I have no plans to return here for a while. God knows how this street will look next time I am here. Food is far from descent but is eatable and I guess at this time that will do. I take a sip of the San Mig and I take in vitamin V, it's only second time I use it so I am kind of curious of how things will work but hey if I need it its certainly going to be now. Fuck fest is about to start. 16hrs before GF arrives. 4.07 and the girl from Bottoms wins. She is there first, waiving me to come across the street as she doesn't want to be seen on Burgos with a client. I settle my bill and off we go. On the way I bring up price and she is happy to except 1500 short time but wants to be on her way by 8 am, I counter 2000 but you stay until 10 and she has to be great and she agrees. Yes I could have had it for 1500 I know but I am counting hours here before my GF arrives and I intend to shag her until the next one comes. There won't be sleeping so a bit on incentive may help keep her live and energetic.

Quick shower and she is licking my lollipop when I get a txt from the Bourbon St girl. The typical shit where are you? I am waiting here. I replied that I waited for 30 min but she didn't show up its 5. 39 now and I am gone. I get like 5 msgs after that her apologising, explaining mamasan kept her after work bla bla bla. She kept asking for a 2nd chance. My girl was getting annoyed but curious so she asked me whets going on and I told her the truth. How I had 2 girls selected and whoever came first I was taking with me. She laughed and said, yeah I know many customers do that. Then she asked me to describe the other girl which I did. Then she asked if maybe I would like two girls she wouldn't mind. I told her to write to the other girl in tagalog that she is already with me and that she can come but for 1000 peso until 10am and she has to be prepared to eat lots of pussy. She laughed and wrote the txt. 30 seconds latter deal was on, and we were now both waiting in anticipation. I gave the Bottoms girl a 1000p at this stage and told her not to tell the other girl of our deal, as I want it to look as if that is the price I pay for either one. She agreed. She also admitted that she lives with a girlfriend and she is bi herself but other than her gf no other girl has ever eaten her pussy. She was curious to see if it will be different. At that point my hard on just become harder and I just had to push it deep in her mouth. I think she felt the difference and enthusiastically opened her mouth wider.

Call from reception, yes send my guest up and a minute latter my new play toy lies clothed on the bed as both me and bottoms girls are grabbing pinching her as if someone gave us a new teddy bear to play with. We strip her down ourselves, Bottoms girl takes her panties down and starts licking her while I take her top off and play with her boobs as she is giving me a blow job. No shower for her but who cares, time for some action as I turn her over with her perky ass up and start doing her doggy. Bottoms girl is not shy either, she seems to have taken control over the other girl leading her head and tongue direct on her pussy. As I pump harder into her I can see the bottoms girl enjoying every second of it too. I came after 10 min or so I think partly because of the sight in front of me. Seems like the 3 of come to orgasm almost at the same time. I rest for few min but my dick is still hard I guess the V worked. I ask the girls to do 69 with the bottoms spinner on top. I watch for few minutes as they are eating each other out then I move behind the spinner from bottoms and start doing her from behind too. The tongue of the Bourbon St girl is now on my balls and it feels soooooo good. This goes on for a while before I get bored and I lift her to the side of the bed. Little sideways action before I switch them and I have now the Bourbon St girl ridding me. I pull both girls onto me and we start kissing 3ways which is also great. It's now around 7 am and I am getting tired. I am contemplating letting them both go but I am having too much fun LOL.

The phone rings and it's another txt, the 10 am appointment has waken up and is asking if I mind if she is a bit early. More on her latter, I quickly replay with my hotel name and address and ask when can she be here. She replies 9. 30, I tell her to txt me when she is 15 min away and says ok.

No point sleeping now, so I just get a shower and a red bull as the girls lay in bed. What a sight. I decide to chance the pace a bit and get them to come to the dining room. A bit of action on the chair which quickly proves not convenient for a 3some so we are back in the bedroom. One more session with each, then around 9am the txt comes that my 9. 30 is nearby. 1000 peso each plus 200 taxi money each and a chocolate bar and off they go. Come to think of it Plan B sometimes can turn much better the plan A LOL.

TO BE CONTINUED.

Mc Don
06-15-12, 17:04
For those that want to take a girl out, my advice is to look at other destinantions first rather then Thailand, Singapore or HK. Sounds crazy I know but those distinations are subjected to harder checks then say KK in Malaysia. Flight from AC to KK then JB if Singapore is the end distanation or KK to HK is also a way to go. Also if you are in sing and plan to take the girl out of the country few times perhaps a quick trip to Indo and Malaysia is not a bad investment. Getting those stamps in the passport seems vital for any girl under 25.

Having said all this my question is why bother. Just get an indo or thai girl if you really really must.

FreebieFan
06-16-12, 06:00
. Inspired by FreebieFan and his reports few weeks before the trip I decided to deviate from the original plan for at least a day and see if I can schedule as good as the master. He makes it sound so easy but there is much more to it as I found out. A.

None replayed, I guess first signs of this is not going to be as easy as I thought come to mind but then there is always the other side of the coin, maybe they didn't replay because its expensive or they are out of load. I guess I was searching for excuses and wondering at the same time of how this will turn out. 3 and a half hours in the plane spend fantasizing of what will happen next. At this stage I guess I should say I have no probs with this airline flight was smooth and half full. For a budget carrier they meet my expectations.

I touched down around 1. 30am at terminal 3. Another set of txts was sent right away to the 4 as I was walking what seemed like an endless corridor with broken escalators on the side. And They were going to upgrade me in their sister hotel next door A Venue Suites to the fucking 2m by 2m prison cell room with another 2m by 2m dining room and you guessed it another 2m by 2m bedroom (with 2 single beds) apartment. I tried to explain the manager that I want a large nice ONE bedroom hence why I booked there instead of next door or St Gilles but in his mind he gave me an upgrade since my room is now a 6500 peso apartment.Glad I provided some inspiration but after reading your rep seems like did totally fine!

My flights always arrive at 3. 3am and seems to always be at the furthest gate, so even tho I walk fast its still a 10 minute walk down the corridor where the moving walkways NEVER work.

Stayed in A venue before. Tny tiny rooms designd for midgets. Crap design, crap elevators, crap place totally but in a good location.

Hope rest of your trip works out as great as Day 1!

Danibbler
06-16-12, 06:08
I have traveled to PH four times in last three years and even I was not allowed to board the plane, The immi. Officer asked me, what is there to see in the PH that I have not seen for the last four times, asked about my hotel reservation, my job, my bank account detail, my marital status, my education background, if I have any friends or relative in the PH. That they reluctantly allowed me. When I landed in manila, I was similarly abused.

I was born with these kinds. These people who get a taste of little power grow horns, wings and have fork in their hands, to judge what they seem fit and play with our life's. Its not only in airport, all government machinery where one has power over its people, you could pretty much expect this gangsta behavior. Every third world citizen goes through this abuse in their life time.They're doing their job. Of course, they will become suspicious if someone keeps flying in and out of their country which they may well be aware has little of value to offer a tourist. I've seen this in Singapore and elsewhere.

Starchild2012
06-16-12, 12:11
They're doing their job. Of course, they will become suspicious if someone keeps flying in and out of their country which they may well be aware has little of value to offer a tourist. I've seen this in Singapore and elsewhere.Not true. Since, Visa on arrival facility started in Thailand for Indians, people travel to Thailand every other month for vacation, its close to India. Where is the suspicion in that? The reason Thailand is so popular with Indians is due to NO visa hassle from Indian immigration authorities, now we have a destination where we can easily by pass the immigration. Thailand, Macau has no issues in that aspect.

Mc Don
06-16-12, 16:15
I went down to meet the girl number 2 – lets call her Miss A. Miss A was a dia girl that I first had a contact with about a year ago. Shortly after she disappeared but we had few cam chats at the time and I could never forget her. She was a mix like I have never seen before. Half African America (father) half Filipina (mom from bohol). Don't get me wrong I have had few black-asian mixes before but what made her unique was it seemed like she got the best features of each race. Standing at 1. 75m with thick black lips made for sucking cock, large C cup and ass that could feature on a rap video with the tiny asian frame, obedient eyes and submissive attitude. Anyway she reappeared under a different DIA name couple of weeks before my trip and we quickly reconnected. She remembered me or so she said but LOL who fucking cares I got her to meet me and that's all that matters in this game.

In the elevator going down I still could not believe it that she is actually almost here, turning up. If I was unsure about any of the 4 then she was it. When she told me she is an early riser and that she could visit me 8 am (I pushed it to 10) in Makati from Cavite I thought no way. What 19year old would be up that early on a Saturday morning? Hm, wrong again. She was here. I walked down the lobby and right in front of the hotel was a taxi. I could see her inside. She got out wearing a cream mini with a tight white blouse that just left me and the bell boy breathless. I could not believe my eyes. She walked confident and smiled I introduced myself and so did she, she said something about going to breakfast to which I replayed sure but let's go to my room to change my shirt and she followed me to the elevator. I have plenty of beef with this place, enough to never ever stay there again but if there is one thing they must change is their elevators. 2 for a building of 30+ floors. It takes 10 min at times to get into the elevator. Those 10 min with her there were like an eternity. With people around as well it felt awkward to say the least. We were holding hands like some teenagers in love and there was some small talk about my trip and her ride to Makati but it seemed endless.

Finally in the room but she stayed in the dining room as I go to the bedroom to change and then I remember the cherries. She REQUESTED cherries. According to her they don't have fresh cherries in phils, hm, now when I think of it I haven't seen any too, so she asked me to bring her some because she wanted to 'experience' cherries. We once had a convo on YM about cocktails and she actually thought the cocktail cherry is how they are in nature. So when I told her no and told her to google it she just could not believe it. Since then she asked me few times not to forget to bring some for her. I remember on the forum someone discussing fucking for fruit in the '70s apples I believe back then, well seems like fucking for fruit is back but different kind LOL. Half naked I call her to come to the bedroom as I have a gift for her. She screamed you remembered as she takes one puts it in her mouth. I push her gently on the bed and within few minutes I am massaging her nipples with a cherry then licking the juices. I was inside her within 10 minutes of her entering the hotel room, no surprise there I guess. She was not shaved, she admitted not having sex since January when her American bf left and she was apologetic for not being so neat there. I figure a bit of Bush is a good change so no complaints for the first round. She gives me a great blow job and I said something along the lines I would love to return the favour but you need to shave to which agrees right away saying only her first bf did that for her when she was 16 some 3 years ago. I give her a razor and she goes to the bathroom leaving the door open. I open a San Mig come closer and just enjoy the show. She is done in few min and I join her for the shower. I love the feel of freshly shaved pussy. Smooth dark skin and a butt made for squizzing and spanking. I was going to do her in the shower but the fucking place is so tinny so instead I throw her wet on the bed. She screams and laughs asking for a towel but instead she gets me on top of her drying and making her wet at the same time with my tongue. We end up in a 69 somehow but only for few min before I start pounding her first from behind then mish. I turn her over one more time and I start playing with her ass and I can see she is enjoying it. I know she has never had anal before but I am tempted. One finger inside and she has not said anything if anything she is pushing back even harder enjoying the double penetration. I try to push a second finger but it hurts and I am cursing myself for not packing some KY. I cum some time latter and as I am dressing up the dilemma starts. Do I take her for lunch and get some KY too and do what I really want to her in the afternoon or do I keep up my schedule as girl number 3 and her friend are suppose to meet me in an hour.

Girl 3 is the one that replayed and she has a hot Chinese friend that's up for a 3some. To them this is a regular thing always on hunt for guys to have fun with. Her cam, photos and conversations indicate girl 3 is every mongers dream. A 27 year old (maybe not the age part but everything else is) that wants no attachments no bull just pure sex for fun. On the other hand I am having a great time with girl 2. I figure no txts from girl number 3 since last night I will stick with 2 and try and juggle it somehow.

We go for lunch to green belt some jap restaurant on top of Havana. At around 1pm Havana was dead but then the place doesn't get pumping until latter. In the past there would be few lurking around even this early but now nothing. We ate sashimi and few other small dishes, she loved it I found it eatable but nothing special and then we went to a chemist to pick up some KY and exchange some cash. In the chemist KY is kept behind the counter so anyone out here needing some just ask the staff don't try and find it yourself LOL. I wonder why they keep it behind the counter is the 200 odd peso too expensive or is it something more sinister like some keeping those religious freaks happy. Off to greenbelt 1 to exchange some dollars. I managed to exchange $300 for $500 worth of peso. The dumb ***** that took my money said $300 to the other dumb ***** that counted it all then than both counted and passed me some 21 000 peso + when it should have been 12 600 or so. I just could not believe my luck and the stupidity that goes there but then I figured if TWO of them can't get it right then they deserve whatever punishment the owner has in store for them when they work out that they lost his weekly profit LOL. At this stage the girl wants an ice cream while I want a quick getaway before they figure it out so quickly we are back in greenbelt 3 I buy her the damn ice cream and we are off in a cab going back to the hotel. Little kissing light patting and we are there. As I pay the cab I get a txt from girl number 3 asking me if we are still on. I replay that I am stuck in a meeting but will meet her at 5.

Another 10 minutes lost waiting for the elevator then finally in the room. This time clothes come off quick and we are at each other in no time. She starts sucking me off but I have only one thing on my mind. I turn her quick and start pounding her pussy but also lubing her asshole. This time 2 fingers go in easily and no complaints from her. I finger fuck her ass for good few minutes also pounding her hard. Then a third finger for a bit while also applying little ky on the tip of my tool. I get her to touch herself as I prepare to enter her ass. I ask her to do it faster and harder to take her mind away from what is about to happen and she obediently does it. Slowly I enter her and at first she shivers a little but she slowly moves her ass up as I further split her chicks. I am half in and slowly start fucking her, very very slowly. I can see her face deep inside the pillow she seems to be enjoying it even though there is a bit of pain. No complaints from her as I ask her if she is ok. She relies yeah. I start fucking her little faster and deeper as she moves her hands from her pussy to her ass chicks splitting them wider then I did before. She is ready to take me in. Good but quick session I cum quick after that she was just way too tight. We rested for a while, I must have fallen asleep for a bit but then she wakes me up saying its almost 5 and she needs to go. Another quickie before she gets dressed and off she goes.

Damage – S$15 cherries, S$12 chocolates (she wanted almond LOL) .800p for taxi (return from cavite).

Mc Don
06-16-12, 17:00
As girl 2 is leaving I am beginning to wonder if its a good idea to check out and go to my next hotel or stick around here. I hate the joint but on the other hand the idiots haven't rang me yet and I figure I can get one last round here before going to the next place. I also decided that girl number 4 is out, so far no replies for her plus few days before she mentioned that she just got a job as a promo girl in some shopping mall so she can't meet before 7. My gf should be in Makati around 10 so I guess one last shag and then a quick nap should do me. I am beginning to feel tired and I don't think red bull or coffee will keep me up for much longer. I txt girl number 3 to meet me at the sports bar behind Rogues (can't remember the name now but its a normal not a girly bar). I take a shower and change and then walk there. We both get there around the same time, she gets out of a cab as I am about to walk in so we meet and greet in front of the place. We go inside for a drink and a chat, she asks about my day so I tell her the truth. She laughs saying I knew your meeting before was bullshit at least you are honest LOL. Her chinse friend apparently had another guy she was meeting tonight so she was not going to join us now. Whatever. To me Chinese are borring even though this one seemed different from few photos Girl 3 sent me. After the drink she suggested we go to Rogues she wanted to suck me off there but I was too tired for games and barhop so I told her we are going to the hotel. We walked back and in few minutes we were up in the room. Yep another 10 min wasted waiting for the damn elevator.

In the room she turned out to be exactly what I expected and exactly what she said. No bull just pure fucking. One of few that requested a condom (I always use it anyway but it was good to hear it for a change). Good session on the bed followed by lots of sucking and licking and then another session in the other bedroom with the single beds. No idea why we did that but fuck I felt like using every bed in the room to prove a fucking point to those monkeys at reception. Last bed and I did her anal she didn't want lube she wanted it raw and to hurt. Nope it was not her first time and she enjoyed it a lot. She asked me next time to bring a friend her fantasy was to be double penetrated but my wingman is way to shy and vanila for that. Oh well I guess she can act her fantasy with someone else. She left around 7. 30pm refusing even taxi money.

Now that I think of it damage with this one was less then 100p I spent on her drink.

At around 8pm I finally checked out and walked about 200 meters to the Fersal Hotel on Neptune St. This is not a bad place for around $45 a night. 3 min walk from Burgos, next to a supermarket and close to the Budha Bar and few other regular bars where if you have game you can try your luck before going to Burgos.

Anyway I txted my gf that I have just arrived and checked in so she can come down from Las Pinas. Also had a quick chat with my wingman who has already been in Manila for a week and we made plans to meet up at Rogues around midnight. I figured a quick nap was due before my gf turns up.

Econo Tech
06-17-12, 05:38
Not true. Since, Visa on arrival facility started in Thailand for Indians, people travel to Thailand every other month for vacation, its close to India. Where is the suspicion in that? The reason Thailand is so popular with Indians is due to NO visa hassle from Indian immigration authorities, now we have a destination where we can easily by pass the immigration. Thailand, Macau has no issues in that aspect.Seriously, once when the Immigration guy asked this question, I said, with a big smile "well, your government tourism board invited me over." and really, I did have a Philippine Tourism board brochure. Printed for Singapore. In my hand and I waved it.

He was wondering what to say next and I smiled and said "well, if you don't want tourists, and spend money, you should take it up with your Senators and congressmen."

Silence, and he was wondering if he could accuse me of being a human trafficker or child molester or whatever, when the next person in the queue, a Good Filipino friend (guy) asked loudly "boss is there any problem? You want me to talk to officer?" The BI moron blinked at me and then my friend went on to say some thing in Tagalog. He swears he didn't threaten. Only had asked is this how Filipinos supposed to show their hospitality, especially to people who Employ Filipinos (no, I am not his boss. But.)

Well I got my stamp and I was out. And next stop was AC!

Heck, even in the Philippine Embassy here, one of the questions thrown at visa applicants is 'why do you want to go to Philippines so often' and. Well, a colleague had retorted back why do filipinos come to Singapore, so often, when the country is just 40 km by 60 km. Way to go.

Though I don't recommend insulting the pompous self-righteous bastards at BI

Econo Tech
06-17-12, 05:39
No doubt, one of those fine Immigration fellows might be reading this.No chance, the BI fellow all must be watching wow-wow-wee. The whole country is a tele-novela.

Now it is Manny being cheated and the president consoling the public that is the top news.

Cool Traveler
06-20-12, 00:38
Moral of the story, majority of these immigration officers behave the same way, does not matter where you are. Actually the best immigration officers in my opinion are those in Hong Kong and Bangkok. They care less as long as your paperwork is in order.

I arrived at San Francisco airport about 10:30 pm. I went through immigration and then got stopped as I was trying to exit (before the guy who collects those purple paper). This customs guy, an older white dude tells me I need to put away my phone. I tell him, I thought that was only at the immigration area. He looks at me, then looks at the pruple form, adds an initial to it. Then asks me to proceed to the area for "futher" checks. I overhear another customs guy saying they need 3 more to finish the quota that night. Anyway, the guy who pulled me over earlier showed up and proceeded to go through every square inch of my carry on bags. Spent an extra hour at SFO after 12 hours of flying.

He did this because I apparently was a "smart mouth". This is just one of many incidents in many airports. I get treated poorly when I return to the US, every single time because I am a brown Asian Indian American. I get treated really well outside of the US.

Moral of the story, keep your cool, keep your mouth shut, don't joke around, keep it short and sweet, and no smart mouthing! . It does not matter where you are, those guys in uniform have some power to make your life miserable.

CoolT.


Star, I think you are probably right about this. Those of us from the west don't have the same perspective because unfortunately we feel this sense of entitlement. Which leads to a whole different set of problems.

It seems the best thing we could do here is maybe create our own version of "take your Pinay GF abroad for Dummies." I will talk to several girls I know who have travelled and see if I can post some pointers on how they handle the immigration problem.

From my past experience one of the biggest problems I have seen is they really screen the younger women hard. One time I was travelling to Hong Kong with my 19 yr old GF and the customs guy made her call her father so the customs man could speak to him to verify that she had permission to leave. When I looked back at it, it made sense. She was 19, had never used her passport before and I was a whole lot older than her.

Some things I can think of off the top of my head: make sure you are both dressed nicely so that you give the impression of upper class. Its been mentioned before but, I think the old advice of not losing your cool and adopting an attitude of "I'm going to play the game with you, but we are definitely getting on the airplane" is important.

Starchild2012
06-20-12, 05:11
Seriously, once when the Immigration guy asked this question, I said, with a big smile "well, your government tourism board invited me over." and really, I did have a Philippine Tourism board brochure. Printed for Singapore. In my hand and I waved it.

He was wondering what to say next and I smiled and said "well, if you don't want tourists, and spend money, you should take it up with your Senators and congressmen."

Silence, and he was wondering if he could accuse me of being a human trafficker or child molester or whatever, when the next person in the queue, a Good Filipino friend (guy) asked loudly "boss is there any problem? You want me to talk to officer?" The BI moron blinked at me and then my friend went on to say some thing in Tagalog. He swears he didn't threaten. Only had asked is this how Filipinos supposed to show their hospitality, especially to people who Employ Filipinos (no, I am not his boss. But.)

Well I got my stamp and I was out. And next stop was AC!

Heck, even in the Philippine Embassy here, one of the questions thrown at visa applicants is 'why do you want to go to Philippines so often' and. Well, a colleague had retorted back why do filipinos come to Singapore, so often, when the country is just 40 km by 60 km. Way to go.

Though I don't recommend insulting the pompous self-righteous bastards at BIHahaha. Very good reply. I don't think he had a good come back with more questions. I agree. As cool T said, it never a good idea to talk sense to immigration officials. Just answer what they need to know. Now I have some good ideas as to what to say if they ask me silly questions.

White Whale
06-20-12, 05:26
I am going from NAIA to North Ermita to take the Southern Cross Shuttle bus. Are taxis from airport reliable and are they likely to try to overcharge? The hotel asks 600PHP which seems rather high compared to what the shuttle bus costs.

Ekspat
06-20-12, 05:42
those guys in uniform have some power to make your life miserable.That's the point. Having arrived 60-70 times so far in NAIA or Clark, my approach is a friendly "Good morning" and answering the questions short and reasonable if there are any. Always got my stamp in less than 2 minutes.

Screaming Beaver
06-20-12, 05:48
I am going from NAIA to North Ermita to take the Southern Cross Shuttle bus. Are taxis from airport reliable and are they likely to try to overcharge? The hotel asks 600PHP which seems rather high compared to what the shuttle bus costs.It sounds like you are looking for the cheapest way to Ermita fatso. I’d suggest you go upstairs after leaving Immigration and look for a metered taxi dropping off somebody who is arriving at the airport. Tell him to turn on the meter or else he will most likely try to fleece you. If you pay more than 150 pesos, consider yourself fleeced.

Ekspat
06-20-12, 05:49
I am going from NAIA to North Ermita to take the Southern Cross Shuttle bus. Are taxis from airport reliable and are they likely to try to overcharge? The hotel asks 600PHP which seems rather high compared to what the shuttle bus costs.All the way to North Ermita? Why not just the short hop to Victory Liner station on EDSA? And I guess the VL bus is cheaper than Southern cross bus.

Just my 2 Sen.

Hatguy
06-20-12, 06:42
Got stranded due to typhoon. Thanks a lot Cebu Pacific. Rude ***** staff informed me that they won't give compensation due to thus situation. Told them I would do something about it later. There should be a thread on here to discuss them! They canceled the flight right on boarding time! Classy! Urgh!

So I went to Rogues in Makati to wait out the typhoon. I live in Japan so the destination would be calling off all planes. Rogues in my opinion is really good. I had a very cute older girl. Best girl in the phils for me. 2 rounds she came twice. Me just once. They all have lines. But this one was pretty convincing. Building a place in her province. Great attitude and super GFE.

Take the girls back to the bar after you do the deed if you can. It keeps down the runner possibility and other girls there don't pester you for lady drinks. I have to recommend trying that! Back in the bar I bought her drinks at the usual price. And she didn't pester me for drinks. Just wanted to chill. You got to like the ones like that.

Sorry but Ill keep her identity to myself.

Bearsk
06-20-12, 06:53
Moral of the story, keep your cool, keep your mouth shut, don't joke around, keep it short and sweet, and no smart mouthing! . It does not matter where you are, those guys in uniform have some power to make your life miserable.

CoolT.You forgot one moral. Stay off the phone until you get out of Immigration and Customs.

X Man
06-20-12, 12:28
Wow, you have me beat by a factor of 3. But I have the same tact and have had the same results as you. Once a female imm officer mentioned,"you've been here many times," and I spontaneously blurted out,"I love the Philippines" with a big smile. Despite the poker face, I detected a slight upward curvature of her tightly held lips. Honesty is the best policy!


That's the point. Having arrived 60-70 times so far in NAIA or Clark, my approach is a friendly "Good morning" and answering the questions short and reasonable if there are any. Always got my stamp in less than 2 minutes.

X Man
06-20-12, 12:52
Good point Bearsk, but we can't, nor should we try, to teach people common sense. We might also say that there is a line before the immigration kiosk which says wait behind this line. I don't think we should tell people to wait behind the line. If those kind of people get fracked, the imm people can say they are doing their job and life gets easier for the rest of us.

Those people who don't have the sense to be polite to imm, how do you think they will treat the ladies who work on the fringes of society? You can see it right here on ISG. Some people come, bluntly ask for info, and we never hear from them again. We get others who are polite or humble, thankful, and they come back to share.

Nevertheless, Bearsk, that is one great piece of advice. For everyone and anytime. X.


You forgot one moral. Stay off the phone until you get out of Immigration and Customs.

White Whale
06-20-12, 19:51
All the way to North Ermita? Why not just the short hop to Victory Liner station on EDSA? And I guess the VL bus is cheaper than Southern cross bus.

Just my 2 Sen.LOL! A white pale lone guy dragging 15+kg flight luggage and hand carry to the Victory Liner station. I would be the "mark of the day". I have been around but always on comfort class. Just inquired if paying 600PHP to hotel transport is overspending. Sirs, definitely in deep appreciation and respect but far far from your experience level. Over and out; I will be taking the hotel transport. Thanks.

CruelG
06-20-12, 23:39
Hi guys I'm new here and I'm a first time visitor here in the Angeles City Pampanga Philippines

Can you suggest a a bar girl or a strips club in Angeles City Pampanga?

I found this website http://philippines.adultsearch.com/angeles-city And its accurate

But still need some reviews of the strip clubs can you give.

Me some Tips on what are Do's and Don't s when going to this kind of areas. BTW I'm froma miami!

Sammon
06-20-12, 23:52
LOL! A white pale lone guy dragging 15+kg flight luggage and hand carry to the Victory Liner station. I would be the "mark of the day". I have been around but always on comfort class. Just inquired if paying 600PHP to hotel transport is overspending. Sirs, definitely in deep appreciation and respect but far far from your experience level. Over and out; I will be taking the hotel transport. Thanks.Good thinking. There is a good way to be frugal and stupid way. You are going to AC. You are going to spend money on drinks and girls. If you get drunk you will spend more money than you budgeted. If you find a irresistible girl you will spend more money to be with her and may give her more money and gifts.

Breaking down what you will save by taking victory liner,

1. Taxi from Airport to Ermita. If the taxi guy puts the meter on at departure level less than 200 pesos. Beware even they sometimes want to charge you more.

If you get the Taxi mafia from arrival level it is about 400 pesos- I do not have the answer why. Rigged meter?

2. I know only about Swagman bus because I have used it multiple times. It costs 600 pesos from ermita to your hotel in AC. No tip is expected. Baggage in safe and within your sight. Once they stop at the hotel the hotel security guy takes the bags inside.

So the total cost is approx 1000 pesos. Not to mention safe, no hassles and no lugging baggage, no dodging beggars, kids, hawkers.

Taxi to victory liner bus station- Taxi will demand 100 pesos minimum.

Victory liner now I think approx 180 pesos regular class.

Trike from Dau to AC min 100 pesos.

Total- approx 400 pesos. Not to mention waiting at the bus station, hot humid weather, sweating, lugging luggage over dirty street, worried about luggage storage, sitting uncomfortable in a trike, worried about accident etc.

Is it worth it?

Seasoned expats it is normal. If you just have a carry you can try.

My GF catches buses to everywhere because she is used to it and she is local. Even non-aircon bus is ok for her.

But for me it is a nightmare.

Fast Eddie 48
06-21-12, 00:25
Good thinking. There is a good way to be frugal and stupid way. You are going to AC. You are going to spend money on drinks and girls. If you get drunk you will spend more money than you budgeted. If you find a irresistible girl you will spend more money to be with her and may give her more money and gifts.

Breaking down what you will save by taking victory liner,

1. Taxi from Airport to Ermita. If the taxi guy puts the meter on at departure level less than 200 pesos. Beware even they sometimes want to charge you more.

If you get the Taxi mafia from arrival level...To Sammon

I agree the fly by bus is the way to go you save so much time that is money too, also it is much saver to take the swagman bus than the victory bus I heard of bus robbery going on mostly at night.

Fast Eddie 48

Sky Ryder
06-21-12, 03:58
Got stranded due to typhoon. Thanks a lot Cebu Pacific. Rude * staff informed me that they won't give compensation due to thus situation. Told them I would do something about it later. There should be a thread on here to discuss them! They canceled the flight right on boarding time! Classy! Urgh!

So I went to Rogues in Makati to wait out the typhoon. I live in Japan so the destination would be calling off all planes. Rogues in my opinion is really good. I had a very cute older girl. Best girl in the phils for me. 2 rounds she came twice. Me just once. They all have lines. But this one was pretty convincing. Building a place in her province. Great attitude and super GFE.

Take the girls back to the bar after you do the deed if you can. It keeps down the runner possibility and other girls there don't pester you for lady drinks. I have to recommend trying that! Back in the bar I bought her drinks at the usual price. And she didn't pester me for drinks. Just wanted to chill. You got to like the ones like that.

Sorry but Ill keep her identity to myself.Hatguy,

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I am curious about the issue with Cebu Pacific. They are not the most customer friendly that is for cerain, but I assume you choose them over say. Cathay Pacific because of the price of the ticket. So they cancel your flight due to a TYPHOON, and you expect some kind of compensation? I don't know of a " full service" airline that gives compensation for a "weather event", let alone a "Low cost" carrier, which Cebu claims to be. I have had a few Cebu horror stories myself, but I temper my expectations based upon pricing levels, ie you get what you pay for! The real issue is the low cost carriers arent really that when all the hidden fees and add ons are included.

That being said, you should be glad that someone had the balls to cancel the flight instead of pushing it, I can assure you they would have much rather operated the sector than cancel.

Hatguy
06-21-12, 04:56
Hatguy,

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I am curious about the issue with Cebu Pacific. They are not the most customer friendly that is for cerain, but I assume you choose them over say. Cathay Pacific because of the price of the ticket. So they cancel your flight due to a TYPHOON, and you expect some kind of compensation? I don't know of a " full service" airline that gives compensation for a "weather event", let alone a "Low cost" carrier, which Cebu claims to be. I have had a few Cebu horror stories myself, but I temper my expectations based upon pricing levels, ie you get what you pay for! The real issue is the low cost carriers arent really that when all the hidden fees and add ons are included.

That being said, you should be glad that someone had the balls to cancel the flight instead of pushing it, I can assure you they would have much rather operated the sector than cancel.For me it was more their attitudes and the way they spoke to me when they cancelled it. If they had been helpful and suggested places to stay it would have helped too. Instead I was told to come back tomorrow. They were rude so they get me being rude right back.

Ekspat
06-21-12, 06:03
LOL! A white pale lone guy dragging 15+kg flight luggage and hand carry to the Victory Liner station. I will be taking the hotel transport. Thanks.Okay. No-brainer. I travel usually with light handcarry only and never had a problem with VL.

Have fun!

D Cups
06-21-12, 14:02
I've used CP a few times now and cannot say I'm impressed with their service, either. Many late departures and cancelled flights not due to weather. Strictly a budget airline. Cute stewardesses, tho. I'd like to bang some of those little hotties.


For me it was more their attitudes and the way they spoke to me when they cancelled it. If they had been helpful and suggested places to stay it would have helped too. Instead I was told to come back tomorrow. They were rude so they get me being rude right back.

Gangles
06-21-12, 14:39
Gentlemen,

If you haven't already heard of it, you can buy travel insurance.

Costs me about $400 per year, covers delays, cancellations, lost luggage, medical, medevac etc, etc.

I am sure that you saw it when you bought your Cebu Pacific ticket.

It is automatically included.

So if you did not have cover, I assume that you deliberately cancelled it.

If you did not cancel it, then check if you can still claim against it.

G.

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1295567]Hatguy,

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I am curious about the issue with Cebu Pacific. They are not the most customer friendly that is for cerain, but I assume you choose them over say. Cathay Pacific because of the price of the ticket. So they cancel your flight due to a TYPHOON, and you expect some kind of compensation? I don't know of a " full service" airline that gives compensation for a "weather event"

Sammon
06-21-12, 17:37
Hi guys I'm new here and I'm a first time visitor here in the Angeles City Pampanga Philippines

Can you suggest a a bar girl or a strips club in Angeles City Pampanga?

I found this website.

http://philippines.adultsearch.com/angeles-city

And its accurate

But still need some reviews of the strip clubs can you give.

Me some Tips on what are Do's and Don't s when going to this kind of areas. BTW I'm froma miami!All the info is here. RTFF.

Only thing I have to add is bars, bargirls, money you spend, choice of hotel are all personal preferences.

Only after visiting and experiencing you become an expert on AC.

Fast Eddie 48
06-22-12, 00:58
Okay. No-brainer. I travel usually with light handcarry only and never had a problem with VL.

Have fun!To Ekspat.

The ABC or LGH hotel in AC don't sent a Limo to pick you up you need to take the victory liner bus, I don't get it you spend 100 USD a night on a executive room at the ABC and you take the bus with all the locals.

Fast Eddei 48

WestCoast1
06-22-12, 02:11
I've used CP a few times now and cannot say I'm impressed with their service, either. Many late departures and cancelled flights not due to weather. Strictly a budget airline. Cute stewardesses, tho. I'd like to bang some of those little hotties.I was on the CP website yesterday. There's a small banner, bragging: "On Time Departures: 67. 5!" Hahaha. Worthless. Yet, its also indicative of what crap pilipino are used to accepting.

FreebieFan
06-22-12, 02:16
7 weeks since last visit, but arriving Manila at 3. 30am.

Schedule is.

Day one.

Miss Ex Virgin 18, with her 6 inch high red high heels. Her legs go round my back nicely and looks realy good on video. Got her a new vibrator recently in HK. She says she will let me video her with that. FREE.

Next up is a cute DIA girl. 21. Needs tuition money. Smoking body on cam and lives near me. She's ready for her 3 hour pictorial LOL. SEmi FREE.

Finally will be my cute model like 22 year. 40kg, slim, hot and always in high heels even when naked. FREE.

Maybe will be with her to watch England game somewhere in PB.

Day two.

Cute girl from Alabang. Been chatting for a few weeks. Asked her what her best feature was, first she said "my smile", then she said " well maybe my tits". FREE.

Not sure who's next, will be whoever answers the phone.

Evening will be a real sweetie with fabulous tits who I see often.

Maybe get out with her to see France game. 2.45 am tho. Phew. Hard going.

Day 3.

Girl from Cavite coming in the morning. 30. Hasn't had sex for 7 months. Slim body, maybe 42 kgs. Taxi fare.

Girl from Batangas coming. Will meet in Manila. Long long hair. 42 kgs. Slim slim body, really nice girl. No sex for 2 years. FREE.

Day 4.

Work.

Cute girl from Cubao. Coming for a "pictorial" LOL. Bikini will be on, snap snap snap, then off to bed. FREE.

Second girl from DAy one coming with her two friends. We see what happens with some Tanduay or tequila in them. Maybe a foursome LOL. Probably not free. Kick them out then late night flight back.

That's it!

Hatguy
06-22-12, 04:52
Gentlemen,

If you haven't already heard of it, you can buy travel insurance.

Costs me about $400 per year, covers delays, cancellations, lost luggage, medical, medevac etc, etc.

I am sure that you saw it when you bought your Cebu Pacific ticket.

It is automatically included.

So if you did not have cover, I assume that you deliberately cancelled it.

If you did not cancel it, then check if you can still claim against it.

G.[QUOTE=Gangles; 1295732]

[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1295567]Hatguy,

Not to add fuel to the fire, but I am curious about the issue with Cebu Pacific. They are not the most customer friendly that is for cerain, but I assume you choose them over say. Cathay Pacific because of the price of the ticket. So they cancel your flight due to a TYPHOON, and you expect some kind of compensation? I don't know of a " full service" airline that gives compensation for a "weather event"I had insurance. They wormed out of it due to the Typhoon. Insurance companies and airlines can be trusted as far as thrown.

Ekspat
06-22-12, 05:02
The ABC or LGH hotel in AC don't sent a Limo to pick you upOf course LGH does.

http://lewisgrand.com/transportation/

FreebieFan
06-22-12, 08:21
You forgot one moral. Stay off the phone until you get out of Immigration and Customs.But you forgot to add, that at least until recently, despite the sign to passholders, and the obvious contradiction, the Immigration folk were all chatting away on handsets with earpieces, texting etc waiting for their nxt passport holder. Proactive hypocracy in action. Do as I say, not as I do.

Escort Fan
06-23-12, 06:45
Where can one find premium girls in Manila? I'm talking about model type, actress, FHM cover girl etc.

Because, it's easy to get a budget girl at a budget price, just go to MBC.

However, it's easy to get ripped off and pay premium price and still end up with a budget girl.

It happened to me last year when I booked though the agency "Makati Escorts" (BIG rip off)

I'm ok to pay 10K+ for a top girl, but I want to get what I paid for.

Just like I'm Ok to pay 100 USD+ to sleep in Shangri La, Mandarin Oriental, or Hyatt rather than stay in a shitty motel.

Monseignor
06-24-12, 03:14
Where can one find premium girls in Manila? I'm talking about model type, actress, FHM cover girl etc.

Because, it's easy to get a budget girl at a budget price, just go to MBC.

However, it's easy to get ripped off and pay premium price and still end up with a budget girl.

It happened to me last year when I booked though the agency "Makati Escorts" (BIG rip off)

I'm ok to pay 10K+ for a top girl, but I want to get what I paid for.

Just like I'm Ok to pay 100 USD+ to sleep in Shangri La, Mandarin Oriental, or Hyatt rather than stay in a shitty motel.You can go to a reputable night club in makati, manila, or quezon city. Just ask the cab drivers or the concierge. As long as its big and flashy its reputable. You'll find many establishments. If you don't like the quality in one just go to the next one. Of course nothing beats the advice of a local friend or a local escort. Unless he or she takes you to a place where she or he has a commission from. There are no professional services available for these kinds of services it would be illegal. One is left to personal contacts or through legal "night clubs, bars, etc." I would suggest asking the concierge first (of course he might be biased) failing that board a fairly new cab with an elderly driver then try to establish a rappor with him. He'll probably know some places.

Undercoverh
06-24-12, 22:39
this past friday, i went to wilderness massage at heartbeat ktv on quezon ave. i then crossed the street to check out mystique ktv for some fun. it was late, so i decided to leave and walk back to my hotel, which is a short walk away (lemon tree inn). on my way back, a street walker was walking slowly past me as she smiled, and i smiled back. in a split second, i knew that face, but from where, i could not remember. i stopped and talked to her, just for the fun of it. she was in her late 30s, or early 40s, ok looking, with the look of a mommie. dressed ok, with jeans on.

she had that, come fuck me look so i knew she was a street walker. she asked if i wanted a nice massage. i asked how much, she said 700p. i said, oh no, that is ok, and i started to walk away. as i walked away, i remeber where i had seen her, at mbc a few times. she started to walk with me and said she would go with me for 500p. i said, for how long she would stay, she said enough time for me to get excited one time. i said include bj, she said that is extra. i said no thanks. she said ok, she inlucde bj. i said with no condom for bj, she agreed. she said we could go to sogo hotel (that is a chain of st hotels in the philippines. you can also stay lt). i was so close to going with her, but i have a rule against picking up street walkers due to the possible problems (e. g, bs, scams, etc). i told her that was ok, i changed my mind. she was a lillte pissed that i made her waste her time, then called off the deal. oh well.

after i went back to my hotel, i was thinking, i picked up grils at mbc, and i guess they are street walkers too. so what is the difference from picking up a girl from mbc, or picking that girl up from the street? one difference is that this woman quickly come down on price, i guess she really needed the money. my question is, has anyone picked up street walkers from quezon ave? if yes, any problems?

quezon ave has many street walkers late at night. some girls look ****, so i would for sure stay away from that. for those of you who do not know quezon ave is the red light district of manila for the local middle class guys. lots of ktvs, many with fs massage attached. local guys with cash to spend go there with their buddies and spend a ton of money.

quezon ave is generally the place to find the best loooking girls in the philippines who do the pay-for-play. places like pegasus (sylvanus massage attached) , classmate ktv (with kremlin massage attached) , and many others on the street have some really hot looking girls. but, it cost big bucks.

air force one owns classmate. the massage part of classmate, called kremlin, the girls look good (on the 3rd floor of classmate, the girls cost more and look cute). on the 2nd floor of kremlin, the girls cost less and do not look as good as the girls on the 3rd floor. of course, it depends what time you go, and on what night. most of the hot girls go fast. the ktv cost too much for me to sit with a girl, but i just go to watch the shows. get my hard on, then go to the massage to get my release. most massage with fs will cost between 2, 500 to 4, 000p. the 4k will be the best looking girls.

for 10 plus type girl, the ktv girls is it, but you will pay a few hundred dollars or more for that, not for me. these girls, are the type of filipinas you will see on the game shows. quezon ave is close to two of the big tv stations in the philippines, (e. g, abs-cbn). many guys from the tv business go the high end ktvs. and, some of the girls who worked on the game shows as dancers in the past, will also work at the high end ktvs. these girls can make more one night, then most familes in the philippines make in one month. but, these girls of top line model quality. for those of you who have seen the game shows in the philippines, most will have hot looking dancers. tall, light skin, and sexy bodies.

a non-profit organization helping sex workers get out of the business, estimates that there is more than 400, 000 sex workers in the philippines. sounds like my type of place! it also states, "...but prostitution remains rampant in areas like angeles city, subic, cebu city, and certain districts of manila." who knew -- that non-proft websites would be a good source of information as to where to find sex in the philippines!

it further states, "although prostitutuin is officially illegal in the philippines, red light districts operate openly and freely, with karaoke bars, discos, go-go bars, and strip clusbs all acting as fronts. the police a and public officials, many of who are paid off by the sex industry operators, tend to turn a blind eye to the problems." i fail to see the problem here! : - ) have fun!

Undercoverh
06-24-12, 22:55
Where can one find premium girls in Manila? I'm talking about model type, actress, FHM cover girl etc.

Because, it's easy to get a budget girl at a budget price, just go to MBC.

However, it's easy to get ripped off and pay premium price and still end up with a budget girl.

It happened to me last year when I booked though the agency "Makati Escorts" (BIG rip off)

I'm ok to pay 10K+ for a top girl, but I want to get what I paid for.

Just like I'm Ok to pay 100 USD+ to sleep in Shangri La, Mandarin Oriental, or Hyatt rather than stay in a shitty motel.I understand your point. Check out my post below about Quezon Ave, that could be of some help to you.

Danibbler
06-25-12, 03:32
Not true. Since, Visa on arrival facility started in Thailand for Indians, people travel to Thailand every other month for vacation, its close to India. Where is the suspicion in that? The reason Thailand is so popular with Indians is due to NO visa hassle from Indian immigration authorities, now we have a destination where we can easily by pass the immigration. Thailand, Macau has no issues in that aspect.

That's fine but you were talking about the Philippines, not Thailand. I'd like to see you visit Singapore every other month before they start getting suspicious there too.

There's an Aussie series called "Border Security", have a look at that show.

Frenzy3
06-25-12, 04:03
Where can one find premium girls in Manila? I'm talking about model type, actress, FHM cover girl etc.

Because, it's easy to get a budget girl at a budget price, just go to MBC.You can also try Cebu, we have a place called arena, it the most expensive and it hires the best. Another bar is bulldog it has had a few winners of local pageants as they have a price that the girl sets

Escort Fan
06-25-12, 04:20
You can also try Cebu, we have a place called arena, it the most expensive and it hires the best. Another bar is bulldog it has had a few winners of local pageants as they have a price that the girl setsActually I remember going to Arena on my frist visit to the Phils a few years ago.

There were indeed so nice looking girls, but I ended up with one that gave me a shitty service.

I remember she gave me a CBJ which is a sacrilege in the Philippines, no other girls ever tried to propose me a CBJ eversince and I've had tons of girls.

I might give it a try again, but I'll be sure to discuss services before booking to avoid such problems.

Even though I don't see myself asking her "hey are you on the pill, I want a creampie tonight!".

Starchild2012
06-25-12, 05:03
They're doing their job. Of course, they will become suspicious if someone keeps flying in and out of their country which they may well be aware has little of value to offer a tourist. I've seen this in Singapore and elsewhere.
That's fine but you were talking about the Philippines, not Thailand. I'd like to see you visit Singapore every other month before they start getting suspicious there too.

There's an Aussie series called "Border Security", have a look at that show.Well, Just yesterday, they did infact ease Visa on Arrival facilities for Indians.

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/philippines/philippines-allows-visa-free-entry-for-indians-1.1039355

However, only when an Indian also holds US, UK, Canada, Australia, Singapore visa as well, so its not that they don't want us at all or visit frequently, they want quality Indian tourists which I doubt will take a detour to PH with a visa of other countries and stay only for 21 days without any extension.

Mitch1384
06-25-12, 08:36
OMG. Are you for real FreebieFan. I'm jealous! Where / how do you meet these women?


7 weeks since last visit, but arriving Manila at 3. 30am.

Schedule is.

Day one.

Miss Ex Virgin 18, with her 6 inch high red high heels. Her legs go round my back nicely and looks realy good on video. Got her a new vibrator recently in HK. She says she will let me video her with that. FREE.

Next up is a cute DIA girl. 21. Needs tuition money. Smoking body on cam and lives near me. She's ready for her 3 hour pictorial LOL. SEmi FREE.

Finally will be my cute model like 22 year. 40kg, slim, hot and always in high heels even when naked. FREE.

Maybe will be with her to watch England game somewhere in PB.

Day two.

Cute girl from Alabang. Been chatting for a few weeks. Asked her what her best feature was, first she said "my smile", then she said " well maybe my tits". FREE.

Not sure who's next, will be whoever answers the phone.

Evening will be a real sweetie with fabulous tits who I see often.

Maybe get out with her to see France game. 2.45 am tho. Phew. Hard going.

Day 3.

Girl from Cavite coming in the morning. 30. Hasn't had sex for 7 months. Slim body, maybe 42 kgs. Taxi fare.

Girl from Batangas coming. Will meet in Manila. Long long hair. 42 kgs. Slim slim body, really nice girl. No sex for 2 years. FREE.

Day 4.

Work.

Cute girl from Cubao. Coming for a "pictorial" LOL. Bikini will be on, snap snap snap, then off to bed. FREE.

Second girl from DAy one coming with her two friends. We see what happens with some Tanduay or tequila in them. Maybe a foursome LOL. Probably not free. Kick them out then late night flight back.

That's it!

Wicked Roger
06-25-12, 19:52
Actually I remember going to Arena on my frist visit to the Phils a few years ago.

There were indeed so nice looking girls, but I ended up with one that gave me a shitty service.

I remember she gave me a CBJ which is a sacrilege in the Philippines, no other girls ever tried to propose me a CBJ eversince and I've had tons of girls.

I might give it a try again, but I'll be sure to discuss services before booking to avoid such problems.

Even though I don't see myself asking her "hey are you on the pill, I want a creampie tonight!".Arena girls IMGO can be very fussy as prefer the Japs and Koreans. Frenzy knows an ex Arena girl (or more) as do I. My one is very spoilt by the Japs etc, confirms that they don't do much but some are seriously kinky however, they don't last long and pay a lot. So when we want long time shagging and BBBJ etc and it means they have to work. We get shitty service at times.

Now this ex Arena is super cute and very sexy but still sees her Jap customer when he is back in Cebu as he pays seriously good cash for less than 1 shag a day on average (and less then 5 mins as well each shag)

For Manila some friends would suggest Classmates and Pegasus. I know some ex UAE girls working in the former who are very cute and very nice (also sisters as well who are terribly bisexual with each other)

Just my views. But as you said EF get the menu agreed first

Member #4698
06-25-12, 22:11
You can also try Cebu, we have a place called Arena, it the most expensive and it hires the best.
Arena girls IMGO can be very fussy as prefer the Japs and Koreans.I barfined an Arena girl. She was very pretty although I would not rate her as an Arena superstar. The initial cost of meeting her, having a few drinks and auditioning her, then taking her out of the bar for LT multiple shags was huge. Over 8000p I reckon, but its only money so who cares, right. She turned out to be a GFE. I met her and a GF of hers the next day for ice coffee at Starbucks. Then we walked around the mall. I met some other guys on similar missions. LOL. I bought her some skanky jeans that she wanted at the department store for 800p. Then we said goodbye to the friend and we went back to the Marriott for some fun. I gave her 1500p tip plus the jeans for the afternoon shag. I told her I was going next to Palawan and she wanted to come with. She was a very pretty little spinner, but I wasn't sure about taking her on a beach holiday. I have her number and if she is still around, I would not mind hooking up again when I get back to town.

Here is what the Asians do at Arena: they ask the mama for a private ShowTime. Then 30 or more girls are rounded up and the boys see who they like. Me, dummy gringo, I sit on my sofa for an hour watching one girl at a time strut her stuff on the giant stage and looking to the sidelines at the multitude of sexy girls in the shadows. I picked my girl, she was one of the sexy ones in the shadows because every time I looked her way she gave me a nice big smile. But my point is that those Asian guys are not dummies. They know what they want and make the system work for them. And yeah, there were a hell of a lot of stunners of all shapes and styles in Arena.


I know some ex UAE girls working in the former who are very cute and very nice (also sisters as well who are terribly bisexual with each other)Very cute, bisexual sisters has to be #1 on my bucket list. You are a very fortunate social deviate WR.

Red Kilt
06-26-12, 02:23
OMG. Are you for real FreebieFan. I'm jealous! Where / how do you meet these women?As a newbie on here you need to do some reading of past posts.

You will learn how it is possible to do as FF does if you plan it right.

Having a car and living smack bang in the center of things (like FF when he visits) is also an advantage.

APax2
06-26-12, 03:50
For Manila some friends would suggest Classmates and Pegasus.Has anyone BFed from the high end QC KTVs recently? It's hard to gauge current pricing. The QC thread hasn't had any updates in a while and the prices mentioned there vary quite a bit. Perhaps YMMV? From what I gather, the girls working at these high end KTVs are not obligated to go with you either, so you may walk away empty handed but still have to commit to spending just to get in the door.

Also, on my last visit a number of taxi drivers kept trying to push me to head to some KTVs on Roxas Blvd. I can't remember all the names, I believe Area 51 was one of the places mentioned. I'm guessing these may also fit the bill for more premium talent, but was not able to confirm. Anyone tried these?

Undercoverh
06-26-12, 04:51
OMG. Are you for real FreebieFan. I'm jealous! Where / how do you meet these women?The information I am going to provide is based on my experience only. There are many ways to obtain free sex in the Phili, I only offer my method. Many guys have their own way of going about it and they can offer their suggestions if they like. I say all of this ahead of time and provide this disclamier so I can avoid replies from other guys wanting to debate my methods. What works for me, may not work for someone else. Likewise, their methods may not work for me. Sometimes, you just have to try different methods and find what works best for you.

Simply stated, I find the best way to free sex is via DIA, which stands for Date In Asia (a dating website). I have tried several, but the best return on the dollar for me has been Cherry Blossoms website and Filipino Cupid website. Take a nice pic, post it, join for a month or two, put together a nice intro (e. G, you are sincere, looking for a nice girl, true love, long term relathionship, all that type of BS). Tell the girls what they want to hear. Most Filipinas on these websites are looking for love or the hopes of finding it. They are looking for a nice guy, harding working, etc. Bare in mind, you do not have to be this, just act like it.

Sit back, and watch who sends you emails. Then respond and be a nice sincere guy. Never talk about sex, unless they do first. And then, do not go overboard, talk about sex as being romantic. Filipinas love that BS. After emails, set up a time to go on Skype and check them out. Now this is how the free sex comes in. After you chat for a while, if she likes you, one thing will lead to another. Then, when you come to visit in Phili, you have a girl waiting for you.

As for me, I will not meet a girl in person, unless, we have talked about her stayiing in my room, in my bed, being romantic, making love, etc. One girl told me she will stay with me in my room, but no sex. Hum, I would not waste my time to visit her. Why do that, when I can go to AC and buy it on the cheap.

Based on my experience, the easy target are older women with kids. These women get no attention from guys in the Philippines. Thus, they are horny and lonely. Women in the 30s. 40s, and 50s. Every women in her 40s I met online, I had sex with them the first night they came to meet me. Again, the key is to develop a relathionship with them online. Filipinas are in to having boyfriends online, and never have met the guy before, and she will call him her boyfriend.

Now, for the downside. Lots of BS online. Lots of girls will ask for money and other BS stuff. When you come across these grils, do not waste your time and move on to the next one. If you meet 10 online. 6 will be BS. 3 will not work out for whatever reasons, and 1 will be the free sex. Another downside is all the time you have to invest in this online dating stuff. Also, lots of these girls are looking for LT relathionships. If you are not looking for that, getting the free sex is not worth it becasue these girls will bug you.

From online dating Asian websites, I have had about 10 Filipinas and the free sex, over the past 3 years. However, now, I only have 2 regular Filipinas I see when I go back to Manila several times a year. Both consider me their LT boyfriend and they both want a future with me. I like being with them becasue they are regular girls, working at good jobs, so they do not need my money, they are sweet and horny, and good bareback sex and BBBJ. However, I did not meet these girls online, I met them when I was in Manila. One at a bank, and the other at the mall. This is another option to getting free sex, just meet them when you are out on the town during the day or night. The options are endless when it comes to meeting girls in the Philippines.

Getting free sex is not really free all the time. Most girls want to go out to dinner, movies, mall, you may want to buy them jeans etc. For them, giving you sex is apart of the dating process. This is where the cost comes in. However, in return, you will most likely have a real GFE. Of course, their will be times when u meet a girl, never spend a dime, and have sex with her.

When I was in the service many many years ago, my buddies and I called the Philippines "The Land of Ladies." This is even more true today, with 100 million people in the Philippines. Tons of girls are looking for boyfriends and husbands. Bare in mind that most middle class local guys and rich guys in the Philippines spends their time buying sex at KTVs/bars, banging his wife, and having a few girlfriends. One actor, who is in his 70s now, was in the news paper recently for having more than 30 children by different women. Most Filipinas find it hard to find a good man in the Philippines, that is why so many of them are online looking for you! The bottom line is, pussy is everywhere in the Philippines. For sale and for free! Have fun!

Starchild2012
06-26-12, 05:28
now, for the downside. lots of bs online. lots of girls will ask for money and other bs stuff. when you come across these grils, do not waste your time and move on to the next one. if you meet 10 online. 6 will be bs. 3 will not work out for whatever reasons, and 1 will be the free sex. another downside is all the time you have to invest in this online dating stuff. also, lots of these girls are looking for lt relathionships. if you are not looking for that, getting the free sex is not worth it becasue these girls will bug you.true. also, one way to avoid scams are to not entertain out of city girls from where you are staying. most of these girls are based in mindanao where tourist numbers are low or out skirts of manila. the girls from those region would be more hotter, more open to nude cam request, sex talk etc than city girls in manila or cebu.

thats the trap they set us all in. these girls are masters of how our sex deprived mind works and they would exploit it fully. they will agree with all your request but say they don't have fare to travel to your place, so send them money for plane / ferry ride. once you send it. you never going to see the money again. but will see the girl again. thats how smart they are and will apologize that her mom got sick and that money went to her medicine and could you please send the money again and considering the level of horniness we have. if we send. we will never see the money again but will see the girl again. this time. her little sister tuition fee was late and then again you send. this time she was hungry and so on and on. untill you give up.

but she won't. she will apologize. and will make a final attempt to milk you over. some of the girls are more cunning than nigerian scammers atleast nigerians don't scam a same victim twice but filipina will scam you thrice or for ever untill you have nothing left. which is what happens to many farang expats who loose their savings, pension and the house.

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also, the other scam is mobile load scam. she will say she has arrived in your city but out of load please send some load. you send it happily never to see the girl again.

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majority of the cases that a monger will encounter in ph is not **** scam or a set up. but scams like above. which many fall into but don't see it coming.

Red Kilt
06-26-12, 05:51
. SNIP.

Simply stated, I find the best way to free sex is via DIA, which stands for Date In Asia (a dating website). I have tried several, but the best return on the dollar for me has been Cherry Blossoms website and Filipino Cupid website. Take a nice pic, post. It, join for a month or two, put together a nice intro (e. G, you are sincere, looking for a nice girl, true love, long term relathionship, all that type of BS). Tell the girls what they want to hear. Most Filipinas on these websites are looking for love or the hopes of finding it. They are looking for a nice guy, harding working, etc. Bare in mind, you do not have to be this, just act like it.Nice post Undercover and your method is tried and true. I note your disclaimer and how you don't want debate etc but I just wanted to ask about the statement in your post that says "you are sincere, looking for a nice girl, true love, long term relathionship, all that type of BS".

With all due respect, these sort of "promises" to women when you have no intention of seeking true love, long term relationship etc are really cruel to these women who are romantic and desperately seeking this sort of thing after having had cheating BS pinoy partners for years.

When you "drop" them or just disappear they become bitter and hardened and very suspicious about foreigners and their BS promises. If you really ARE seeking LT, true love etc, then I apologise and will change my opinion.

The alternative approach, which works for both me and several of my mates including FF, is to be absolutely upfront about what you want.

Tell them that you are NOT looking for a wife or a serious relationship but merely seeking a fun-loving friendly woman who likes to go to movies, nice restaurants and hang out with you and have fun while you are visiting. That way nobody gets hurt; we both have fun (for free apart from the dinner and the movie tickets) and you don't leave her bitter and twisted when you disappear.

The amazing thing is that there are 100s of women on DIA who actually LIKE that approach because they know exactly where they stand.

My diary is always full using this approach, and I don't have to feel guilty about spinning them BS and having them fall in love with me when I am not really interested in them beyond the next date. It is also amazing how many "back-up" for the next time too.

Southern Boy
06-26-12, 10:01
Will be arriving in Manila for just one night, to travel next day to the Visayas. It will be my first time in manila and scrolling back some 10 pages I don't find the answer to my questions. For some p4p, is EDSA near the airport or is Ermita a better location? Any advice on distance for both locations from airport is appreciated and some ideas on accommodation.

FreebieFan
06-26-12, 11:48
OMG. Are you for real FreebieFan. I'm jealous! Where / how do you meet these women?Yes I'm for real and the sequence was.

Day 1. Repeater, new girl, repeater.

Day 2 New girl.

Day 3 Repeater, New Girl.

Day 4 (half day) New Girl, New Girl.

Too tired to post the report today. Will be there in a day or say. And yes, totally for real.

Wicked Roger
06-26-12, 12:16
Very cute, bisexual sisters has to be #1 on my bucket list. You are a very fortunate social deviate WR.That is one of the nicest things anyone has said recently about me (not that they say nasty of course!). Thanks NB

(In Fact enjoyed them multiple times and soon I will enjoy a different set of sisters. Life can be very demanding at times LOL)

X Man
06-26-12, 12:50
Just more sexual play on ISG, since when does anyone become a "sex deviant" on ISG? THanks for the post Mr. Bumpo.


I barfined an Arena girl. SNIP SNIP SNIP.

Very cute, bisexual sisters has to be #1 on my bucket list. You are a very fortunate social deviate WR.

Python75
06-26-12, 12:50
Nice post Undercover and your method is tried and true. I note your disclaimer and how you don't want debate etc but I just wanted to ask about the statement in your post that says "you are sincere, looking for a nice girl, true love, long term relathionship, all that type of BS".

With all due respect, these sort of "promises" to women when you have no intention of seeking true love, long term relationship etc are really cruel to these women who are romantic and desperately seeking this sort of thing after having had cheating BS pinoy partners for years.

When you "drop" them or just disappear they become bitter and hardened and very suspicious about foreigners and their BS promises.I agree totally RK. There really is no need to bullshit about a 'serious relationship' if it is only your intention to fuck them for a few hours in the afternoon or for one night. Promises of a serious relationship when the reality is only afternoon delight leaves a bitter taste.

Being open and up front that you are only after fun will still pay dividends. Sure you will get some knock backs in DIA but also considerable success, including referrals. On more than one occasion a contact has replied that sorry, she does not do fun and wants serious relationship only but she knows a neighbour, cousin, etc who will meet for fun. I have met lots of girls through referrals.

Member #4698
06-26-12, 13:56
Just more sexual play on ISG, since when does anyone become a "sex deviant" on ISG?I am sorry X Man that you misunderstood me. My comment was meant to be a sarcastic compliment. I am glad WR got it.

Urban Dictionary: "sarcastic, an adjective, describing a type of humor. People who are sarcastic usually annoy the hell out of everyone who can't get their jokes."

My comment was intended as praise to WR for accomplishing something laudable that very few of us on the forum have been fortunate enough to have experienced. By the standards of western Judeo-Christian puritanical mores and culture, all ISG mongers are sexual deviants or sinners if you prefer. The target of my sarcasm or scorn was the uptight puritanical culture most of us come from not WR.

Again, #1 on my bucket list: a ménage with 2 pretty, bisexual, Asian sisters.

Tally Wacker
06-26-12, 15:15
Again, #1 on my bucket list: a ménage with 2 pretty, bisexual, Asian sisters.2 Sisters? Sounds Hot! On my first two days in Phil next week I have arranged a sexual encounter with a pretty 23yr old and her older sister who is 27yrs old. Unfortanately they are not bisexual with eachother but thats ok with me. I've seen their photos and seen them on cam together and they are really sisters. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. They said taking photos is ok so I may post them and then again I might not. I will give an updats later.

FreebieFan
06-27-12, 02:11
Arrived saurday am at about 4am. Thanks CEbu Pacific for never being on time.

At about 9am was meeting up with my 18 year sweet student. She had bought fire engine red 6inch high heels, I provided the red stockings and we had 3 hours of superb fun. Girl has come a long way since being a shy virgin 5 months ago. We were laying in bath having had a marathon sex session some of which we recorded, when I said " what about next time we get someone to record us making love ". She didn't say yes or no.

Later I gave her a present of a small vibrator. She ran into the bedroom and shut the door. I chatted on YM to some future prospects. A little while later she comes out. I thought she was making a " Hi 5 sign " to me. No, she was showing she had had 5 orgasms. Later we recorded her playing with her toy too.

Dropped her off at Market Market (this is a theme in my reports) and waited 20 minutes for the days next plaything, a new girl.

21 year old girl from Taguig with smoking hot body which she had shown me on cam. Head to my place where we had arranged in advance she would be doing some dressing up and picture taking. She wasnt shy showing her body but maybe wondered why I wasnt grabbing it. I was in recovery mode.

AnywayS after many pics I took the pleasure of her nice body, really nice hard tits and ass. She gave me a nice long 10 minute blow that was recorded too. Then dropped her off at Market Market.

Headed to Rogues for a beer or two then to Market Market for number 3. Sweet slim 22 year old that I see every trip. Is only 40kgs and has long slim legs.

We had drinks in Fort area (so hard to get parking now on a Saturday night!) , then had sex on my balcony. Then I left her in bed and headed to Heckle Jeckle for the France Spain game with some friends. Saw most of game but having been up for nearly 24 hours, and having had multiple rounds, I was flagging in energy.

If a city is defined by the people in the city, then Manila is a bad bad bad city. The locals walking around P burgos at 4. 30 am on Saturday / Sunday am were the seediest Filipinos I've ever seen in 25 plus years. Headed to my car and my warm slim friend. We slept, bonked then headed for breakfast then dropped her at Market 2.

Headed to Festival Mall in Alabang to meet another new girl. She had told me her tits were her best asset. Yes they were. She was quite shy but once she was in a bikini and posing I knew all would be fine. Off came the bikini, out came the tits, nice big soft and spongy. 3 hours of play with her and took her back to Festival mall.

Went to Rogues before a scheduled meeting with another repeat girl Sadly the girl tells me she wil be 90 minutes late. Told her I don't do late, so no date.

I wasnt crying about that as a rest was well needed. Had a few beers and headed home and then the sexy student sends me a text, sayingshe wants to be videoed making love with me, and I can I find someone. Spent a long time trying unsuccessfully to find someone even offereing money.

Next day, the student arrives at Market Market, and on arrival in my place, gets into her college uniform. Ah the joys of being a perverted old man LOL. We had a happy 3 hours before she has to head off for college. I wait at Market Market, as a new girl was waiting for me. 23, had sent me bra and pantie pic and had nice looking body. She was shorter than I thought she would be. She looked about average in bikini but somehow looked great when bikini off. We bonked, then slept, then I woke up and she's holding my dick so off we go for another round. 3 hours with her and she gets dropped off.

Had dinner with friends and slept alone and peacefully.

Next day, was working in morning and at lunchtime met another newbie, a girl who had travelled from Tarlac (3 hour trip ). We met, she was nice and slim and a nice girl. We had 2 nice rounds but quite instantly forgettable somehow. Dropped her off and considered what would be my last adventure.

The Saturday afternon girl wanted to come by with her 2 friends and assured me we would all get naked, but she wanted some big money to help with her family situation. Or there was another girl who had been sending me many messages and had the most beautiful smile on cam. Opted for her.

Met her, and she gets in car giving me a big kiss. As we are driving she takes my hand and sticks it on her nipple. Nice one good choice I thought!

Get to my place and she basically takes her top off immediately. Camera comes out and lo and behold, she even has a little lactation going on. Very long hair that later she wrapped around my balls. ! She had a very hairy pussy that she said had NEVER been shaved and it looked like it too. Spent 30 minutes to uncover a very sweet pair of pussy lips underneath. Spent 3 hours with her, that she and I really enjoyed. Dropped her off, well you know where, and headed home.

Packed up, cleaned up, did exhaustive hair and pube check in my place then headed for the joys of Cebu pacific.

So there we are, its 1230 am, and on comes Mr Captain, and he talks for 15 minutes about flying and where we are, where we are heading etc. Amazing and unreal. 15 minutes of inane chatter. Give a Filipino a mike and its hard to get them to shut up LOL. Flight of course was late.

Anyways another great manila trip, similar to all others. Too much sex, not enough sleep.

Slippery
06-27-12, 03:50
2 Sisters? Sounds Hot! On my first two days in Phil next week I have arranged a sexual encounter with a pretty 23yr old and her older sister who is 27yrs old. Unfortanately they are not bisexual with eachother but thats ok with me. I've seen their photos and seen them on cam together and they are really sisters. Should be interesting to see how it all plays out. They said taking photos is ok so I may post them and then again I might not. I will give an updats later.Maybe cousins at best

Undercoverh
06-27-12, 03:54
i agree totally rk. there really is no need to bullshit about a 'serious relationship' if it is only your intention to fuck them for a few hours in the afternoon or for one night. promises of a serious relationship when the reality is only afternoon delight leaves a bitter taste.

being open and up front that you are only after fun will still pay dividends. sure you will get some knock backs in dia but also considerable success, including referrals. on more than one occasion a contact has replied that sorry, she does not do fun and wants serious relationship only but she knows a neighbour, cousin, etc who will meet for fun. i have met lots of girls through referrals.

most men would find the claim that some guys have made here, that it is easy to be honest with filipinas online to get free sex. and that, lots of girls will jump at the chance. you are basically making the following statement to the filipina online:

"i just want to get to know you better so i can come to the philippines and have free sex with you. i also intend to meet other girls in the philippines for free sex. i have no need for you other than to have fun with you and use your body for my sexual enjoyment. after that, i will go back to my country and continue to meet other filipinas online so i can also have free sex with them. i just wanted to be honest with you about all of this."

upon reading or hearing your honest statement, the filipina reponse is:

"oh, thanks so much for being honest with me! i would be happy to provide you with free sex. in fact, "f" me as much as you like and then post my nude pictures on that sex website you go to. i am really happy with the idea that you will be coming to my country to "f" as many filipinas for free as you can. i am truly happy to be a part of your sex vacation and i want you to have fun while you visit my country. i am lucky to meet you, because i have been looking for guys who want to have sex with me and i get zero in return. i may not have much education, but i know a good deal when i see it! i also have friends who would love to meet a guy like you, i will also introduce you to them. thanks so much for being honest with me. you are truly a good and moral man. "

a jury of your peers would find it hard to believe that you are actually being honest with these filipinas and that these girls are happy to have their body used for free sex.

Tally Wacker
06-27-12, 04:17
Maybe cousins at bestWell when I have them nude I'm going to be thinking sisters.

Red Kilt
06-27-12, 04:46
a jury of your peers would find it hard to believe that you are actually being honest with these filipinas and that these girls are happy to have their body used for free sex.i think you are taking this to extremes uc.

btw, i never said anything about free sex. everything costs something.

there is a large difference between not telling a filipina the whole truth and telling her a load of lies (deliberately).

if a woman knows you are visiting for a few weeks (or that you live here) and that you are not looking for a serious relationship and she still wants to meet for fun, then that's the end of it.

the best thing is that you can both walk away without any dramas.

X Man
06-27-12, 05:48
I understood the tone of your original post Natty. And I have enough Brit, Irish, Welsh, Scot, Ozzie, and kiwi friends, acquaitances, colleagues to understand their interesting form of sarcastic humor. Nevertheless, thanks for the clarification. X.


I am sorry X Man that you misunderstood me. My comment was meant to be a sarcastic compliment. I am glad WR got it.

Urban Dictionary: "sarcastic, an adjective, describing a type of humor. People who are sarcastic usually annoy the hell out of everyone who can't get their jokes."

My comment was intended as praise to WR for accomplishing something laudable that very few of us on the forum have been fortunate enough to have experienced. By the standards of western Judeo-Christian puritanical mores and culture, all ISG mongers are sexual deviants or sinners if you prefer. The target of my sarcasm or scorn was the uptight puritanical culture most of us come from not WR.

Again, #1 on my bucket list: a ménage with 2 pretty, bisexual, Asian sisters.

X Man
06-27-12, 06:18
that's really over the top under. i meet a gal on "date in asia" and i ask her for a date. i use my "charm" to get her into bed. if i like her, i might take her to the beach. where is the lie? some guys are more upfront than i am, but then you tend to get more of p4p type of gal. i like dating regular women. why would they go with me? well, it's a nice meal and night out that they wouldn't have had otherwise (some are quite poor). maybe they think that there is the chance of something more serious. most women have to kiss a few frogs before they find the "prince".

i'm in regular contact with four women, and in intermittent contact with several others that i've bonked using this "devious?" technique. all of them would probably be ready for another go. there is one, who has performed wonderfully twice, but has put on the pressure that she is not my vacation toy. okay, i'll give her a pass. of course at 29, with a kid, i think she's getting desperate.

when these ladies ask me if i have another girl, i answer,"it's a secret". and let's be honest here, do these gals every lie to us? x.


most men would find the claim that some guys have made here, that it is easy to be honest with filipinas online to get free sex. and that, lots of girls will jump at the chance. you are basically making the following statement to the filipina online:

snip.

a jury of your peers would find it hard to believe that you are actually being honest with these filipinas and that these girls are happy to have their body used for free sex.

Jambo
06-27-12, 07:03
[QUOTE=X Man; 1297737]nice meal and night out that

When these ladies ask me if I have another girl, I answer,"it's a secret". /QUOTE]You give them a night out? Its Jollibee and straight to the hotel with my girls.

I tell them "I have no one special" and thats for real.

Just ask them if they have a boyfriend.

Red Kilt
06-27-12, 07:19
Crowne Plaza. Not for the budget weary. Has direct entrance from floor 3 from / to Robinsons mall, with Megamall and a few other malls close. Edsa and Ortigas. Discreet and accomodating staff and awesome buffet breakfast included. Rooms from $100 to $200 USD. I never hit the bars because easy is just to pick up lookers at the malls or entice the dia etc girls there. Easy. Ill post more of it in the next day or two, of course as background to what you're really interested in.

Good Luck.

PMHow on earth did all this discussion about a hotel end up on the PG thread?

I live just 5 mins from Crowne Plaza in Ortigas, and regularly meet friends at Bar 8 which is a bar in the Holiday Inn Galleria (used to be Robinsons Galleria Hotel).

You can get from Crowne Plaza to Robinson's Mall by passing through Holiday Inn into the 3rd or 4th floor of Robinsons Galleria without going outside the building. Holiday Inn is a good option for a place to stay if your budget is a bit stretched. Crowne Plaza is top price and aimed at the ADB /business traveller on an expense account. Seven Corners buffet on the 2nd floor of CP is superb, but not cheap.

Staying at Holiday Inn gives you a very discreet way to bring women into the hotel but you still need to ride the elevator to the room and if you have work mates around then they might still be lurking in either the mall or the elevator when you enter. Gangles has stayed there so maybe he can comment about the current state of the rooms. It is a great mall to meet DIA or other web hookups because most women know Robinsons Galleria as it is opposite the POEA building where all OFWs have to go to get their licenses etc to work abroad and most women have accompanied a family member or friend there at some stage in their lives.

The mall closes at 10pm so the access to the hotel also closes then.

Python75
06-27-12, 12:03
most men would find the claim that some guys have made here, that it is easy to be honest with filipinas online to get free sex. and that, lots of girls will jump at the chance.

a jury of your peers would find it hard to believe that you are actually being honest with these filipinas and that these girls are happy to have their body used for free sex.i think you have adopted too much of a literal interpretation of my post, and although i can understand what you are saying it is off the mark.

when discussing 'fun' there is always an underlying implication of a monetary value transaction. when girls agree to meet me for fun they will usually say one of two things:

1) how much will you pay me? or

2) what is your gift to me?

a lot of girls know the score but do not want to portray themselves as prostitutes, and will thus shy away from directly asking for money, but there is a strong expectation on their part that they will receive 'something' whether it is money, clothes, or whatever.

one could of course be an absolute shit and fuck them and then kick them out without giving them anything. but that certainly is not my style.

the other approach which was suggested was to deviously imply that you are after a serious relationship in order to get into the girl's knickers, when in reality you have no such intention. but even that approach would involve money being spent. my own take on that tactic is that it messes with the girl's emotions and leaves them very bitter, and as such it is something that i cannot do. others may not have a problem with it.

and then i guess that leads us to the age old rhetorical question: 'is any sex free?'

Sammon
06-27-12, 16:55
Sex is not totally free with exceptions. In the west if you want sex wining and dining is necessary atleast first few times. Cost is definitely more than you pay a hooker.

In poor countries they always expect money. Be nice and give money. Do not just send her away with just taxi money. Do not take advantage of their moral dilemma and naivety!

Only exceptions are if you meet a older woman in any country who has her own money and just needs sex. At her age it is hard for her to get sex.

Mackin
06-27-12, 20:56
There is a big difference between not telling the whole truth and telling a lie. Sounds like a little politican is slipping into the retoric with the girls.

Just be honest and don't press for it right away. They all understand what you want as they want it too. Some are just a little bashful to say it out right. As they say you can lead from behind by asking and talking about things that interst them.

Sammon
06-27-12, 23:03
The best thing is that you can both walk away without any dramas.There is always drama irrespective of what was discussed before. Last visit me and my contact who is 19 year old agreed on chat that I am free to do whatever I want when she is staying with me. Well, I am not low enough to bring another girl to the room and have sex in front of her.

However when we went for breakfast there were two girls sitting at the next table. Both are obviously P4P girls brought in by some other punter. Probably he gave these girls the two breakfast toickets you get per day.

Anyway while my girl was getting food they started asking me if she is my gf and I said no. They wanted to know my room number and I told them. I told them not to come to my room because I do not want problems with my current live in.

This was noticed by the girl and when she came back she started asking me why I talked to the girls. They have left by this time. I told her that they wanted to know if she is my gf and my room number.

In the room there was a big jealous fit. I reminded her what we discussed before. She flatly said now she is in love with me and do not want me to talk to other girls.

I assured her that I will never have sex with anybody else when she is with me.

Jp Slicky
06-28-12, 00:01
At least you were honest with her when she asked and you did not take them up on their advances from the other two.

IF people talk to me I reply. Case closed

Undercoverh
06-28-12, 04:54
I think you have adopted too much of a literal interpretation of my post, and although I can understand what you are saying it is off the mark.

When discussing 'fun' there is always an underlying implication of a monetary value transaction. When girls agree to meet me for fun they will usually say one of two things:

1) how much will you pay me? Or.

2) what is your gift to me?

A lot of girls know the score but do not want to portray themselves as prostitutes, and will thus shy away from directly asking for money, but there is a strong expectation on their part that they will receive 'something' whether it is money, clothes, or whatever.

One could of course be an absolute shit and fuck them and then kick them out without giving them anything. But that certainly is not my style.

The other approach which was suggested was to deviously imply that you are after a serious relationship in order to get into the girl's knickers, when in reality you have no such intention. But even that approach would involve money being spent. My own take on that tactic is that it messes with the girl's emotions and leaves them very bitter, and as such it is something that I cannot do. Others may not have a problem with it.

And then I guess that leads us to the age old rhetorical question: 'is any sex free? 'My orginal post stated the following:

"There are many ways to obtain free sex in the Phili, I only offer my method. Many guys have their own way of going about it and they can offer their suggestions if they like. I say all of this ahead of time and provide this disclamier so I can avoid replies from other guys wanting to debate my methods. What works for me, may not work for someone else. Likewise, their methods may not work for me."

I posted the disclaimer to avoid these debates. But what did I get, debates on my methods regarding obtaining sex and why I should not lie to obtain sex.

Here is the hard core truth, often times, men and women lie in relathionships. This has been going on since the start of time. Your debates will not change that fact of life.

Why are some men now shocked at fact that men and women lie in relathionships and want to debate it. It is a waste of time debating this topic any further. Debating it more will not change the fact that men lie to obtain sex and women lie to obtain money. How many guys have been scamed / lied to by girls wanting money. How many guys have had several sex partners and lied to each of them, to keep all the relathionships going. For the sake of having free sex (I. E, not having to pay a hooker).

Attempting to give me advice why I should not lie to obtain sex and then debate it, will not change the fact that men around the world will continue to do it. And, let's not forget, chruches have been sued over the fact priest have lied about having sex and lied to obtain sex. Men taking the moral position that to tell a lie to obtain sex is not right have forgotton where they are. Before guys take the moral high ground, let's not forget what type of website we are on. That is, a website for the purpose of fiding girls in 3rd world countries to pay them to have sex with us. Many people around the world would find that to be immoral. Thus, non of us are in any moral position to past judgement on another guys legal method to obtain sex.

Let's get beyond debating this fact of life and return to the real purpose of this website, which is -- where to go to find women to have sex with.

Red Kilt
06-28-12, 06:18
"There are many ways to obtain free sex in the Phili, I only offer my method. Many guys have their own way of going about it and they can offer their suggestions if they like. I say all of this ahead of time and provide this disclamier so I can avoid replies from other guys wanting to debate my methods. What works for me, may not work for someone else. Likewise, their methods may not work for me."

I posted the disclaimer to avoid these debates. But what did I get, debates on my methods regarding obtaining sex and why I should not lie to obtain sex.I acknowledged your disclaimer Undercover but offered a comment on your methods for OTHERS to read, since I disagreed with your approach.

I was rather surprised when you ignored your own disclaimer and started debating.

You obviously didn't feel strongly about it because you couldn't resist responding not once but several times after your post.

It is an open society here. You can't expect us to go along with your decrees if we don't agree with them.

Wicked Roger
06-28-12, 13:30
In the room there was a big jealous fit. I reminded her what we discussed before. She flatly said now she is in love with me and do not want me to talk to other girls.

I assured her that I will never have sex with anybody else when she is with me.LOL Sammon.

Loved your FR as pinays see jealousy as equalling love which it is not. I have told many pinay it is a negative emotion and I tell them why etc. Sometimes if gets through and if not and it continues I just stop seeing them.

This happens all the time they just have to jealous! We are born, taxed and we die. 3 sure things. So add a 4th. Pinays will be jealous.

As for bringing a girl back, I like to ask them to chose one for a FFM and see the reaction. It tells me whether the cutie has to credentials for WR GFE.

Sammon
06-28-12, 17:53
LOL Sammon.

Loved your FR as pinays see jealousy as equalling love which it is not. I have told many pinay it is a negative emotion and I tell them why etc. Sometimes if gets through and if not and it continues I just stop seeing them.

This happens all the time they just have to jealous! We are born, taxed and we die. 3 sure things. So add a 4th. Pinays will be jealous.

As for bringing a girl back, I like to ask them to chose one for a FFM and see the reaction. It tells me whether the cutie has to credentials for WR GFE.I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist to give them advice. I am there to fuck the hell out of them. If the sex is good I do not want to spoil their mood whatever it is.

If the sex is not good I can tolerate only couple days before I boot them out irrespective of previous arrangement. I do it subtly anyway saying I something came up and I need to live.

It is funny even bargirls throw a fit of jealousy. When I remind them that they open their legs to different men day in and day out they remind me it is my responsibility to give them respect even if it is one night.

Whom am I to argue about that logic?

Jealousy is normal fo everybody including men. But generally men keep it inside and not blow up.

Radical Guy
06-28-12, 19:20
It is funny even bargirls throw a fit of jealousy. When I remind them that they open their legs to different men day in and day out they remind me it is my responsibility to give them respect even if it is one night.You've got to admit, that was a great comeback from the bargirls!

RG

Red Kilt
06-29-12, 02:27
Jealousy is normal fo everybody including men. But generally men keep it inside and not blow up.I think "some" men are just as jealous as "some" women. The stereotype of all women being jealous is not correct.

In fact, most stereotypes are not correct. Look deep into your own psyche and check on your own individual levels of jealousy.

Why do guys give money to girls to stay home in the province instead of working in a bar? Every guy will tell you it is because they want to help them escape their shitty life in the bar. The real reason is they are "jealous" and hate the idea of other guys taking them out every night.

Python75
06-29-12, 07:06
My orginal post stated the following:

Why are some men now shocked at fact that men and women lie in relathionships and want to debate it. It is a waste of time debating this topic any further. Debating it more will not change the fact that men lie to obtain sex and women lie to obtain money. How many guys have been scamed / lied to by girls wanting money. How many guys have had several sex partners and lied to each of them, to keep all the relathionships going. For the sake of having free sex (I. E, not having to pay a hooker).Men are not shocked that men and women lie in relationships. But there is lying and there is lying. I freely admit to lying in order to cover my mongering tracks. But I don't lie to fuck with a girl's emotions as well as their bodies by implying that I want a serious relationship with her when I have no intention of doing so.

Apeman 28
06-29-12, 10:18
Was in the MBC last night (I stay 1 night in Manila when I arrive in PI on my 2-3 trips per year, before heading to AC) and found the MBC stacked to the rafters with heaps of good birds looking for some spare cash, usually you only have a couple mixed in with the fruglies and grannies. However with the 3 birds I quizzed none would drop the ST below 1500, 1 bird would not budge from 2500 I am amazed at the non buisness approah of some of them, better going home with a couple of bucks than fuck all $$$$

Wicked Roger
06-29-12, 13:09
I think "some" men are just as jealous as "some" women. The stereotype of all women being jealous is not correct.

In fact, most stereotypes are not correct. Look deep into your own psyche and check on your own individual levels of jealousy.

Why do guys give money to girls to stay home in the province instead of working in a bar? Every guy will tell you it is because they want to help them escape their shitty life in the bar. The real reason is they are "jealous" and hate the idea of other guys taking them out every night.Good observation RK.

Pinoys are known to be very possessive etc.

But the worst are some white guys / westerners. Stories I have heard make me shudder. The girls can't go out, must give the password to all dating sites and YM etc, they are called and text regularly about their whereabouts, one guy even insisted in skype chat with cam to makeeach evening (he specified the time that day) to make sure she was at home. So many men are nasty, jealous and I would say cruel individuals as when (and if ever) they arrive PI play the field. I know one lovely pinay in Makati in exactly this position. Oif she wants the cash to support her baby (from he European) he insists on certain things but he has plenty bar girls to amuse him. She can't go to her sisters without his permission! Complete moron!

Is why it is better not to be jealous, be open and liberal and a tad naughty at times like me LOL.

And when guys try to marry a bar girl realise he met her in a bar with P4P and don't expect her to change overnight or ever!

One guy in the UAE met a very naughty girl, knew she liked all sorts of things but as soon she the girlfriend wrapped her in cotton wool and would not let her play. So she called uncle WR complaining about this so being a gentleman (as I am despite rumours to the contrary) so I helped a lady in distress and I let her party with me LOL

Red Kilt
06-30-12, 04:42
Was in the MBC last night . However with the 3 birds I quizzed none would drop the ST below 1500, 1 bird would not budge from 2500 I am amazed at the non buisness approah of some of them, better going home with a couple of bucks than fuck all $$$$I know some cheap charlies will attack me on all fronts but I believe the going rate (if there is such a thing) is 1500 php as expressed before on several other threads.

For me, it is either free (my DIA contacts) or I give them 1500 php if they want payment. Most girls will accept it. 1500 php barely buys enough milk to feed a baby for a fortnight.

If a woman sets another figure and won't budge from it, (like Apeman's 2500 woman) then just accept that she doesn't want to go with you. Women do have a choice (especially in MBC) where there are no domineering mamasans to force them to go.

Redman69
07-02-12, 01:29
You are a good freind on this front. It is just getting them to understand it is what they want. Money and sex together. Like Diamonds for a woman.

WestCoast1
07-02-12, 04:41
I know some cheap charlies will attack me on all fronts but I believe the going rate (if there is such a thing) is 1500 php as expressed before on several other threads.

For me, it is either free (my DIA contacts) or I give them 1500 php if they want payment. Most girls will accept it. 1500 php barely buys enough milk to feed a baby for a fortnight.

If a woman sets another figure and won't budge from it, (like Apeman's 2500 woman) then just accept that she doesn't want to go with you. Women do have a choice (especially in MBC) where there are no domineering mamasans to force them to go.Concur. 1500 st / 2000-2500 lt has been in place for some time. I'm a bit on the cheap side, but 1. 5 is snapped up for st 80% of the time. I know I posted a year ago about getting several 1000 st's, but those were qualified to the girl with 2-hour max in the room. I quickly got several sets of two-somes that way. 2 hours for 2000 total. I told the girl up front no tip, and in each case she ran to grab a friend. I think, in the girl's mind, when she thinks 2 hours / 1 pop, they are fine with 1000. But when they think 3 hours and 2 pops. 1500. And yes, I've ran into girls there who wouldn't budge under 3000 for any time length. More than once I've had high-end girls tell me I'm crazy, that no girl would go for 1. 5, and ten minutes later I'm walking out with two hotties, while looking over at the original high-end girl, holding up one finger and mouthing,"One thow sand." It helps bring the high-end girl back down to reality, but unfortunately there will be some newb who chats her up an hour later and thinks 3000 is manna from heaven and gives it to her gladly, then tips her another 1000 afterwards.

Slippery
07-02-12, 23:14
Girlfriend wanted Jollibee last night and I said OK, be back in less than an hour as I've been sitting around here all day at the condo in Ermita and will go have a beer and get Jollibee across the street. Did a deal for today at 2, 000 for the afternoon after the gf leaves to go visit family overnight. Assuming performance is there, I consider it a fair deal for all involved. Some guys might try to knock it back a couple hundred pesos but for 4-5 hours I have no problem with that.

Hatguy
07-03-12, 03:15
I was talking to this chick called PrincessB or something before my trip. She was adamant that 5000 was her rate. I offered her 3000 because she looked like a stunner. Her response was "sorry but your 3000 just won't do." I was like what do you mean it won't do? You will be taking a 200 peso taxi to get to where I am. IF THAT! Theres an element of total scammers in the craigslist girls that think they can rip off tourists. Instead I went to MBC and got 2 for 3000 and got a few rounds each girl.

WestCoast1
07-03-12, 04:23
Girlfriend wanted Jollibee last night and I said OK, be back in less than an hour as I've been sitting around here all day at the condo in Ermita and will go have a beer and get Jollibee across the street. Did a deal for today at 2, 000 for the afternoon after the gf leaves to go visit family overnight. Assuming performance is there, I consider it a fair deal for all involved. Some guys might try to knock it back a couple hundred pesos but for 4-5 hours I have no problem with that.Its good deal especially if the girl is coming to you and its arranged in advance. You are not having to head to MBC / Gpoint to get another gal. Well-played Slip, especially given the unrushed timeframe.

Mc Don
07-03-12, 06:58
I was talking to this chick called PrincessB or something before my trip. She was adamant that 5000 was her rate. I offered her 3000 because she looked like a stunner. Her response was "sorry but your 3000 just won't do." I was like what do you mean it won't do? You will be taking a 200 peso taxi to get to where I am. IF THAT! Theres an element of total scammers in the craigslist girls that think they can rip off tourists. Instead I went to MBC and got 2 for 3000 and got a few rounds each girl.People that fish on craigslist in most cases don't know what MBC is to begin with. 5K is the norm there but once you explain and drop few hints that you have been around and that your world does not revolve around craigslist you may get few surprises. I have probably got more then 50 or so freebies from that site and few others in Manila alone.

Escort Fan
07-03-12, 21:13
I know some cheap charlies will attack me on all fronts but I believe the going rate (if there is such a thing) is 1500 php as expressed before on several other threads.There is no such thing as a "going rate". The Phils are like any place in the world. In NYC, London or Paris you'll find cheap street working girls for 50 USD, you'll find entry level escorts at 200-300 USD, you'll find mid to high end escorts, at 300. 700 USD, and you'll find elite escorts at 1K +. Prostitution is like hotels and restaurants, so enjoy Jolibee, while some other prefer Michelin 3 stars gourmet experience.

In the phils the entry level is 1500 PHP at MBC and you're happy with that. Fine there is a market for your budget.

Now if you are at the Shangri La Makati bar, and you see a stunner with clothes that cost 50x times your overnight budget, you are probably smart enough to add 1+1 and know that it's a waste of time to move foward with your 1500 PHP offer (unless of course you're a mix of Johnny Deep & Brad Pitt when they were in their late 20's / early 30's).

Slippery
07-04-12, 05:04
Was at one of the places in the golden triangle of Ermita last night talking with one of the female patrons. Just idle chit chat regarding fat people and physical fitness. This girl couldn't have been over 90 pounds. When I asked her what she weighed, she responded "2, 000 short time." Ended up taking her with no regrets, paying 1, 500 + 200 tip.

WestCoast1
07-11-12, 11:02
Have been around the place at all hours of operation for about a week. More foreigners than you can shake a stick at. Bunches. You can walk into Starbucks and count at least a handful of white faces (men and women) any time of the day now. On my previous visit, I was typically seeing 1-2 other white faces there in a given day. Quite a jump. I call it the great 'Poriner invajin of 2012'.

Not a single working girl that I've noticed, not a wink or nod. They seemed to have disappeared since my last trip. Maybe management has had enough of them.

Boofa69
07-12-12, 03:25
Have been around the place at all hours of operation for about a week. More foreigners than you can shake a stick at. Bunches. You can walk into Starbucks and count at least a handful of white faces (men and women) any time of the day now. On my previous visit, I was typically seeing 1-2 other white faces there in a given day. Quite a jump. I call it the great 'Poriner invajin of 2012'.

Not a single working girl that I've noticed, not a wink or nod. They seemed to have disappeared since my last trip. Maybe management has had enough of them.It is a shame to hear this. It was a good hunting ground. I remember some days last year I picked up ladies only being a few minutes inside the mall.

Slippery
07-12-12, 09:55
Have been around the place at all hours of operation for about a week. More foreigners than you can shake a stick at. Bunches. You can walk into Starbucks and count at least a handful of white faces (men and women) any time of the day now. On my previous visit, I was typically seeing 1-2 other white faces there in a given day. Quite a jump. I call it the great 'Poriner invajin of 2012'.

Not a single working girl that I've noticed, not a wink or nod. They seemed to have disappeared since my last trip. Maybe management has had enough of them.Must've passed you at least a couple of times WC but almost all of the time with the gf. The ones that amuse me are the white guys that sit in the coffee places blatantly sitting at the outer tables and facing the passing crowds. Why don't the just put signs out? Gf is at the movies now. Time to head over to GP.

WestCoast1
07-12-12, 12:13
Must've passed you at least a couple of times WC but almost all of the time with the gf. The ones that amuse me are the white guys that sit in the coffee places blatantly sitting at the outer tables and facing the passing crowds. Why don't the just put signs out? Gf is at the movies now. Time to head over to GP.1. Finally was approached by WG. Sitting in Starbucks at just those tables at 10:30 this morning, reading a book, I noticed two girls walk by. One 7, and a hottie 9. A bit later whilst reading, the 7 was at the rail, leaning over towards me, doing everything she could do to get my attention (too funny haha). I politely said No Thanks as I had another girl coming shortly.

Red Kilt
07-12-12, 13:01
1. Finally was approached by WG. Sitting in Starbucks at just those tables at 10:30 this morning, reading a book, I noticed two girls walk by. One 7, and a hottie 9. A bit later whilst reading, the 7 was at the rail, leaning over towards me, doing everything she could do to get my attention (too funny haha). I politely said No Thanks as I had another girl coming shortly.I spend a fair bit of time at Robinson's Malate as it is near one of my work places and I haven't noticed any major changes regarding FLs or WGs over the past few years. It is a bit like Ayala Mall in Cebu in that the very times that you don't plan to meet anyone they seem to be smiling and beckoning every way you look but when you are actually hunting and collecting there isn't much around. I suspect WC was there during one of those slack periods.

There are 3 or 4 regulars (score 5 out of 10) who must wear out cms of shoe leather because they walk round and round like security patrols looking and smiling and they are there EVERY time I visit. The most likely place to encounter the hard-core WG is outside Starbucks on the G Floor near Pedro Gil entrance around that small fountain / water feature. They prowl around there all day and evening. Be wary of the Lima Bravos who also frequent the same place.

Ekspat
07-12-12, 17:10
The ones that amuse me are the white guys that sit in the coffee places blatantly sitting at the outer tables.Maybe I was one of them, hehe. But, no choice than sitting outside because I'd like to smoke with the coffee.

Cheers!

Radical Guy
07-12-12, 23:15
A few years ago, Harrison Plaza was always crawling with WG's and FL's. They seemed to be a bit more on the trashy side, but back then, sometimes I preferred "trashy." I wonder if it's still the same.

RG

WestCoast1
07-12-12, 23:58
The most likely place to encounter the hard-core WG is outside Starbucks on the G Floor near Pedro Gil entrance around that small fountain / water feature. They prowl around there all day and evening. Be wary of the Lima Bravos who also frequent the same place.That's where I sit every morning, having coffee (well, Starbucks or Krispy Kreme). I mentioned in previous post a pair of updates, and only posted the one. Another coming soon, an odd thing I'm hoping to see again today and get a picture of.

Mc Don
07-13-12, 15:22
A few years ago, Harrison Plaza was always crawling with WG's and FL's. They seemed to be a bit more on the trashy side, but back then, sometimes I preferred "trashy." I wonder if it's still the same.

RGIn Feb and June when I was there Harrison Plaza still had FL's hanging around. Quality is so so.

Cunning Stunt
07-14-12, 02:53
Read this on a local mongering forum. The post received nearly 100% support. Revolution is in the air...lol.

PSP is Pinay Service Provider, the local acronym for a prostitute. Candy is a sex act...WTF!


Last week, I had my 2nd candy. With an 19 yr old PSP which I cannot identify (and you will soon understand why I can't give her name). And if I did identify her, am quite sure she would deny everything. Tsk tsk.

Anyway, in bed, after our second round, we got to talking. And she shared with me that she just got back to being a PSP only this month. After 6 months absence because of CHLAMYDIA (as you can imagine, I wish she had told me sooner despite here assurance that she has been treated! What if the condom broke?). She has had more than 20 candies by the time she got the disease. And had been with both Filipinos and a some foreigners, (if I remember correctly including 2 Europeans, an Indian, a Korean)

She also told me that one time, one of the European guys (she said the guy claimed to be British, she described as fat. In his 50's and smelly) took off the condom and went LIVE in the middle of the 2nd round. She said also said that the guy just slipped it in and when she noticed, the guy insisted insisted until the end of the round. She told me she felt she couldn't do anything since she already asked the guy to put a condom on. And he refused. And so she gave in, like any good 19 yr old filipina. She now feels that maybe, just maybe, thats where she got the CHLAMYDIA.

Since then, I PM the PSP's I'm interested in and inquire whether they have candy with FOREIGNERS. Because, if they did, then I kind of have to say no.

I AM MOST LIKELY BEING A RACIST. BUT I'D RATHER BE A LIVE RACIST! The thing is, these foreign sex tourist go to Thailand, brazil, africa etc. And carry all sorts of disease into our country. And while they're probably experts on what to take, how to treat these STDs, unfortunately, most Filipino women and men are not experts.

Di ba ********* to. A forum BY PINOYS FOR PINOYS?

IS IT JUSTIFIABLE IF WE SHOULD THEN LIMIT OUR RISK, AND KEEP FOREIGNERS OUT? LETS BE LIVE RACISTS! CAMPAIGN, EDUCATE THE GIRLS ABOUT STDS. Look at the INDIE PSP boards, there are ARAB guys willing to shell out huge sums of money to take young girls for a one week SEX TRIPS. LOOK HARDER. ITS ALL THERE. I just don't want to call out who. But its there. There are ARABS flying in and using *********** as their booking site. I don't THINK THEY'LL BE USING CONDOMS THE WHOLE WEEK. AM NOT candy THAT PSP. THATS FOR SURE! SHE'S THERE. JUST LOOK.

BUTI LANG KUNG CHLAMYDIA LANG. WHAT IF HIV, AIDS, etc.

SO. IS IT TIME TO SAY.*********. FOR PINOYS ONLY. FOREIGNERS, SEX TOURISTS, STAY OUT! GO TO LA CAFE!

GIRLS, my fellow GMS. What do you think?

IF YOU AGREE. REPOST THIS. If not. Thanks for reading anyway.

Red Kilt
07-14-12, 03:23
Read this on a local mongering forum. The post received nearly 100% support. Revolution is in the air. LOL.

PSP is Pinay Service Provider, the local acronym for a prostitute. Candy is a sex act. WTF!Rather topical CS.

I had a DIA chat mate tell me just last Thursday that her doctor told her not to ever have unprotected sex with a foreigner because if the foreigner wants to have sex without a condom it is highly likely he will be carrying a disease that he caught from outside the country.

She was direct in telling me that if we met no sex would occur.

When I asked her if the doctor mentioned the high incidence of disease being transported back into the Philippines by OFW seamen she said "Og yes. The doctor mentioned that too".

So it seems the word is getting around just as CS has unearthed in his blogged article. I remember how it happened in Thailand back in the late 80s to early 90s when it was mandatory to use a condom with every working girl because of both the prevalence of HIV but also because of the intensive education campaign conducted by health workers.

Asian Rain
07-14-12, 15:33
Read this on a local mongering forum. The post received nearly 100% support. PSP is Pinay Service Provider, the local acronym for a prostitute. Candy is a sex act.WTF!Read this article as well on the Indie PSP thread. The article in itself is a hoot, but the replies are even more funny. My favorite reply was "I agree that this should be exclusive for filipinos only. Because we filipinos respect each other." Eyes rolling. Fun-nee! Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain

Gangles
07-15-12, 20:09
After all of the adverse reports not long ago, I was a bit apprehensive about taking my lady there.

But as we got there at about 11pm Sunday, there were plenty of available ladies around the bar and inside the cafe. They well outnumbered the guys. But at about midnight, numbers dropped rapidly. I guess people heading off to get some sleep before starting back at work Monday.

What happened? Was there another change of policy?

G

Mc Don
07-16-12, 14:16
After all of the adverse reports not long ago, I was a bit apprehensive about taking my lady there.

But as we got there at about 11pm Sunday, there were plenty of available ladies around the bar and inside the cafe. They well outnumbered the guys. But at about midnight, numbers dropped rapidly. I guess people heading off to get some sleep before starting back at work Monday.

What happened? Was there another change of policy?

GGangles the discos peak between 1 and 3am. Most of the girls head to the clubs in the area.

Sammon
07-16-12, 14:37
Rather topical CS.

I had a DIA chat mate tell me just last Thursday that her doctor told her not to ever have unprotected sex with a foreigner because if the foreigner wants to have sex without a condom it is highly likely he will be carrying a disease that he caught from outside the country.

She was direct in telling me that if we met no sex would occur.

When I asked her if the doctor mentioned the high incidence of disease being transported back into the Philippines by OFW seamen she said "Og yes. The doctor mentioned that too".

So it seems the word is getting around just as CS has unearthed in his blogged article. I remember how it happened in Thailand back in the late 80s to early 90s when it was mandatory to use a condom with every working girl because of both the prevalence of HIV but also because of the intensive education campaign conducted by health workers.Obviously this girl caught some STD. Otherwise normally in Phi they do not go to the Doctor unless something is wrong. It is very much possible she is a P4P girl. Doctors do not advice all girls they see to use condoms.

She might have confided with him saying she had sex with foreigners.

Condom use is minimal at best in Phi. Government is afraid of the Church blitzing the media about condom use. Majority of the girls never insisted I use condom. This includes sex workers. Non sex workers do not even bother.

Only some girls are afraid of getting pregnant. Others are glad to have children because they know there are plenty of single mothers and family as a whole will raise the child in spite of economic difficulties.

One of my regulars told me she is pregnant by a foreigner she met and stayed with 3 days. She is only 19 and kind of innocent. She did not disclose this to me when I went there in May and we had a good time together for 7 days. She did look little fat and her boobs were full. At that time she told me that she eats too much. She must have been 3 months pregnant by then. She did have cravings for mangoes, coconut juice, fried banasa and like.

But I attributed it to just being hungry because of too muh sex.

Last month she messages me saying she is 4 months pregnant and needs money.

This is the problem these girls face. Single, alone and with a baby. Next stop maybe AC bar.

Jopj1
07-16-12, 16:18
Bros.

I am planning a visit to Manila soon and I ve been in touch with a couple of escorts for a 3some.

The girl is asking me something weird and I the like to confirm with you whether it is or not a scam:

The girl says that she does not know me and she s afraid I could do something bad to her and her friend (fair enough) so to limit the risk she wants me to put a deposit on her bank account of 5000 pesos before we meet (that s where I lost track)

Why would a deposit prevent me from trying to assault her if it was my intention?

It makes me thing it s a scam because:

1- the girl is really pretty easily a 9/10.

2. Her English is awesome. To good to be true.

3. I don t pay in advance.

Do you have similar experience? What do you guys think?

Thanks for your rapid feedback

Tally Wacker
07-16-12, 17:40
Of course its a scam.

Why don't you post her info so others know who to avoid.


Bros.

I am planning a visit to Manila soon and I ve been in touch with a couple of escorts for a 3some.

The girl is asking me something weird and I the like to confirm with you whether it is or not a scam:

The girl says that she does not know me and she s afraid I could do something bad to her and her friend (fair enough) so to limit the risk she wants me to put a deposit on her bank account of 5000 pesos before we meet (that s where I lost track)

Do you have similar experience? What do you guys think?

Thanks for your rapid feedback

Asian Rain
07-16-12, 17:46
The girl says that she does not know me and she s afraid I could do something bad to her and her friend (fair enough) so to limit the risk she wants me to put a deposit on her bank account of 5000 pesos before we meet (that s where I lost track)Fuck mate, she is representing herself as an escort. It's her JOB to meet guys she has never met and provide sexual services without pretext. On the other hand, a scammer will say anything to get you to send them money before the deed, at which point your money is pretty much down a rathole.

As you are an old China hand, let me tell you what happened to me in Shanghai one night 14 years ago. I was staying at a hotel. I met a girl strolling out front. She told me that because of security laws she could not accompany me into the hotel, but if I gave her what was the equivalent of $25, she could pay the security and get up to my room. She told me to give her the money and go up to the room first. Like a compliant stooge, I did so. It was only when I got off the elevator to my room that I realized something was not quite right. Of course the girl never came and my money was long gone.

I hope you see the similarities here and come to your senses. P5000 is actually a nice piece of money. I can't begin to tell you what I could do with that money in Manila. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain

Frenzy3
07-16-12, 18:42
Bros.

I am planning a visit to Manila soon and I ve been in touch with a couple of escorts for a 3some.

The girl is asking me something weird and I the like to confirm with you whether it is or not a scam:

The girl says that she does not know me and she s afraid I could do something bad to her and her friend (fair enough) so to limit the risk she wants me to put a deposit on her bank account of 5000 pesos before we meet (that s where I lost track)

Why would a deposit prevent me from trying to assault her if it was my intention?

It makes me thing it s a scam because:

1- the girl is really pretty easily a 9/10.

2. Her English is awesome. To good to be true.

3. I don t pay in advance.

Do you have similar experience? What do you guys think?

Thanks for your rapid feedbackNo way it has never been asked of me, I would just not reply to a girl who asked that, she is not going to help you even if you get her to drop the deposit thing she will be working out a way to get money from you and to do a runner.

It not just the 9/10 who scam hard, even the ugly girls are just as bad.

Wicked Roger
07-16-12, 18:46
Bros.

I am planning a visit to Manila soon and I ve been in touch with a couple of escorts for a 3some.

The girl is asking me something weird and I the like to confirm with you whether it is or not a scam:

The girl says that she does not know me and she s afraid I could do something bad to her and her friend (fair enough) so to limit the risk she wants me to put a deposit on her bank account of 5000 pesos before we meet (that s where I lost track)

Why would a deposit prevent me from trying to assault her if it was my intention?

It makes me thing it s a scam because:

1- the girl is really pretty easily a 9/10.

2. Her English is awesome. To good to be true.

3. I don t pay in advance.

Do you have similar experience? What do you guys think?

Thanks for your rapid feedbackI am wondering why you put a question mark on the title. Clearly she is pulling your plonker. So share with her details and we can contact her see if she says the same. That would be great fun (well IMHO it would) LOL

Member #4698
07-16-12, 19:18
Only some girls are afraid of getting pregnant. Others are glad to have children because they know there are plenty of single mothers and family as a whole will raise the child in spite of economic difficulties.It is a different mind set indeed. Many of the Filipinas I have met have one kid already and the idea of having another baby spawned with Western sperm looks like a pretty good idea to them. I am sure some of the girls see some kind of economic benefit from having Western father on the hook for child support and what not, but most of these girls instinctively know they will never hear from their Western sperm donor again and it will be the 'family as a whole [that] will raise the child in spite of economic difficulties, ' so the only advantage they can possibly hope for is the introduction of new genes into the family gene pool. I call it the Bob Marley effect. The hope is one of the mixed babies will rise above his / her economic station and be a savior for the family. Social Darwinism? I suppose we should all be flattered that these girls want our sperm, but I don't relish the idea that one of my kids could be growing up poverty stricken in the PI or worse that some punter could wind up shagging one of my daughters in an AC bar 20 years from now.

I thought about this phenomenon in order to understand the mindset of the Filipinas I met and shagged the last time I was in the PI. On my last trip, I shagged 15 different Filipinas in total and repeated several times with two girls in particular. I rode 14 out of the 15 bareback and I enjoyed it tremendously. A condom was never mentioned. The usual sequence of events: soapy shower together, then after a BBBJ, the girls would just climb up and impale themselves on my prick. Only one girl – Celene a very pretty bar girl from BG's bar in Cebu City asked that I wear a condom and I obliged her.

The choice is up to us: an unwanted (unkown to the father) pregnancy sooner or later, condom all the time, or vasectomy.

Jopj1
07-17-12, 00:32
I agree with WR. If we EVER get a girl that is apparently trying to perpetrate a fraud we should band together and take turns sending information to her and see if the story changes or what response we get. This could be on an escort site or even DIA. This reminds me of a movie I saw one time that had phone sex operators that had very sexy voices but when you see them in person they are 5' tall and weigh 600lbs. I would tell her as soon as she allows you to make a deposit that you will be happy to issue the funds. With there being no shortage of girls in the world in the P4P business you never have to settle for her conditions. Remember, he who has the money has the power.Thanks for your replies confirming my feeling. (it s always good to share opinions and advice, right?)

Unfortunately I can t post her email address due to forum restriction (unless Jackson makes an exception) but her name is mimipark29 and I attach her pic below.

I found her on escort town.

Any recommendation as to what s the best place to pick up a couple of classy escorts for my Friday night?

Thanks in advance

Starchild2012
07-17-12, 03:40
It is a different mind set indeed. Many of the Filipinas I have met have one kid already and the idea of having another baby spawned with Western sperm looks like a pretty good idea to them. I am sure some of the girls see some kind of economic benefit from having Western father on the hook for child support and what not, but most of these girls instinctively know they will never hear from their Western sperm donor again and it will be the 'family as a whole [that] will raise the child in spite of economic difficulties, ' so the only advantage they can possibly hope for is the introduction of new genes into the family gene pool. I call it the Bob Marley effect. The hope is one of the mixed babies will rise above his / her economic station and be a savior for the family. Social Darwinism? I suppose we should all be flattered that these girls want our sperm, but I don't relish the idea that one of my kids could be growing up poverty stricken in the PI or worse that some punter could wind up shagging one of my daughters in an AC bar 20 years from now.

I thought about this phenomenon in order to understand the mindset of the Filipinas I met and shagged the last time I was in the PI. On my last trip, I shagged 15 different Filipinas in total and repeated several times with two girls in particular. I rode 14 out of the 15 bareback and I enjoyed it tremendously. A condom was never mentioned. The usual sequence of events: soapy shower together, then after a BBBJ, the girls would just climb up and impale themselves on my prick. Only one girl – Celene a very pretty bar girl from BG's bar in Cebu City asked that I wear a condom and I obliged her.

The choice is up to us: an unwanted (unkown to the father) pregnancy sooner or later, condom all the time, or vasectomy.I respectfully disagree with the assumption that filipina women are crazy about white sperms and white Saviour child theory. I don't know how this comes up, I think western men get some sort of ego boost when they feel like wanted. Hahaha. I'm Indian, now how low can a filipina women go to have an Indian child with the creepy accent, smelly odor, brownish skin & tech support when he grows up. When I first came to the PH, some women wanted kids from me and being a country of 1. 2 billion and million kids born every month back home, this is the last thing I wanted in the Philippines. Indian women are more than happy to have kids from me. No thanks. I will pass.

I can assure you majority of women are not looking for a white messiah child, its the Asian culture, Asian women are traditionally more motherly and family oriented, no matter how poor they are, Asian women want babies after certain age. No matter with whom they come from. The proof is India & China. Two most populated country on planet combine this with indonesia, pakistan, bangladesh and you have 50% of world population in five countries.

Women in Asia, develop motherly instinct at certain age and if you happen to be white, black or brown guy, they will make babies with you. Its just more evident in Philippines, but if you go to India as well, the women will want baby more than anything else in her life. Look at 1. 2 billion of us as a proof. LOL.

Filpina. Korean babies number in thousands now, more than white-filipina babies or any other race and they are called Kopinos, there was a documentary made on them in Korea and as a result, now these mothers are getting some help from korean NGOs and their kids learning korean as well.

Asian women are it seems programmed to be that way, they don't care what becomes of the child, the feeling of motherhood in Asian women is so high it eclipse all other problem.

Ekspat
07-17-12, 04:04
Filpina. Korean babies number in thousands now, more than white-filipina babies or any other race and they are called Kopinos,To be honest, I've heard the word "kopinos" for the first time. But indeed!

http://smtimes.sookmyung.ac.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=376

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/07/113_52887.html

Irresponsible and underfucked Korean idiots. IMO.

Joe Looking
07-17-12, 05:02
It is a different mind set indeed. Many of the Filipinas I have met have one kid already and the idea of having another baby spawned with Western sperm looks like a pretty good idea to them. I am sure some of the girls see some kind of economic benefit from having Western father on the hook for child support and what not, but most of these girls instinctively know they will never hear from their Western sperm donor again and it will be the 'family as a whole [that] will raise the child in spite of economic difficulties, ' so the only advantage they can possibly hope for is the introduction of new genes into the family gene pool. I call it the Bob Marley effect. The hope is one of the mixed babies will rise above his / her economic station and be a savior for the family. Social Darwinism? I suppose we should all be flattered that these girls want our sperm, but I don't relish the idea that one of my kids could be growing up poverty stricken in the PI or worse that some punter could wind up shagging one of my daughters in an AC bar 20 years from now.

I thought about this phenomenon in order to understand the mindset of the Filipinas I met and shagged the last time I was in the PI. On my last trip, I shagged 15 different Filipinas in total and repeated several times with two girls in particular. I rode 14 out of the 15 bareback and I enjoyed it tremendously. A condom was never mentioned. The usual sequence of events: soapy shower together, then after a BBBJ, the girls would just climb up and impale themselves on my prick. Only one girl – Celene a very pretty bar girl from BG's bar in Cebu City asked that I wear a condom and I obliged her.

The choice is up to us: an unwanted (unkown to the father) pregnancy sooner or later, condom all the time, or vasectomy.Although many of the Filipino celebrities are half-white / half-Filipino, the few Filipinas I have met have no preference for half-white kids. I think that so many are unconcerned about pregnancy because of their culture. It seems perfectly acceptable in their culture to have several kids that are left with the family as long as you are off working and sending money. Although my experience is limited, I found Filipinos to be far less color conscious than other SE Asians. Although most can point out which celebrities are pure Filipino vs mixed and will tell you quickly that many people associate white skin with beauty, most did not seem to give a shit about it.

I just returned home from my first trip to the Philippines where I stayed in a small town with the family of a woman I guess you could say I was with. She is late 20s and a non-sex worker. As I spent time around her family I noticed the same trend that I have seen with other filipinos, one or both parents of most of the children were abroad working (in one case the parent had been gone for 3 years only returning once). The other thing I also noticed is that when a child is born, regardless of circumstances, one or more relatives will chip in to take care of the kid. It is not uncommon for other members of the family to adopt a child. At one point I thought I had gotten her pregnant and she was very nonchalant about it, even telling me that she would not ask for money and if the news made me run that was okay. I did not understand her attitude, especially since in many SE Asian countries getting a woman pregnant means you don't have to pay but she will try to hit you up for cash. Although she is not pregnant, after visiting with her family I would have been okay if she had been.

My point is that although money from a western person can help with the family and a child, many Filipinos seem to be willing to try to get by without it. Obviously there are some out there who see western sperm as dollar signs or at least a green card, but there are others who cope with their decisions.

I think the condom use probably says more about education and the prevalence of testing than anything. Take Cambodia for example, from what I understand there was a period where bareback was standard practice. This led to very high incidences of stds and hiv / aids. At the time there was tons of NGO money flooding into the country and there was also an outcry against the rise of prostitution (yes those were the days when you could get a villager to sell their 12 why / o daughter to a foreigner). Some of the money was used to test sex workers and the long term projections for hiv / aids infection rates were very scary. At that point money was poured into education and now many P4P providers in Cambodia insist on using condoms. Even in Thailand condom use is now fairly standard, but guys tell me that as recently as the late 90s it was fairly optional.

In travelling SE Asia I have found condom usage to be highest with the more hardened workers. In other words freelancers who are out every night and others who go with multiple men per day or week. I found that the girls who go in between (for example massage girls who will give anyone a hand job but will only have sex if they like you or you put out a lot of cash; girls who will go with a guy but are just as happy not to; girls who limit the number of men per week.) are far less likely to demand a condom be used. Younger and newer girls who have generally only had sex with men they are in a relationship with were also far more likely to take the up to you approach. I think that some of the in between women are so likely to do this because some are uneducated and others do not see you as a high risk partner (you may not look like or come off as the typical sex tourist who pays several different women over the course of a trip). It is possible that some of the same women who give you full service bareback will give other guys a CBJ.

Let's also keep in mind that market forces can alter behavior. Given the number of men posting stories on the Philippines boards here about having bareback sex with bar girls, go-go girls,...it is possible that the average monger in the Philippines prefers unprotected sex. If that is the case it leaves the workers with the choice of perhaps having to turn away customers or agree to have unprotected sex. You mention that most women jump on you with no condom. My guess is that if these are prostitutes and you ask them why, most will say that the customers expect to not use a condom. I've met tons of guys who will not go with women who will not do a bbbj. I was at a bar one time and a guy told me to avoid one girl in particular because she would not do a bbbj.

Some of the sex workers in bars and go-gos can also be among the least educated / most ignorant. The girl from a small province who goes to Maynila to work at a go-go may know about std and hiv / aids, but since she has never known anyone who has it may think it cannot affect her. My guess is that there is also no required testing, which means there are probably a limited number of studies done to track hiv / aids rates in the country. My guess is that if the government or and NGO pumped tons of money into finding the current infection rate and projecting future rates, the amount of condom usage would rise church or no church.

WestCoast1
07-17-12, 05:08
I respectfully disagree with the assumption that filipina women are crazy about white sperms and white Saviour child theory. I don't know how this comes up, I think western men get some sort of ego boost when they feel like wanted. Hahaha.First, he didn't say crazy about white sperm or white saviour child. He said many of the pinay he's met think that having a child with a white man is a pretty good idea. I can confirm a similar experience. There is a new, different girl (or more than one) on each of my trips who is vocal about making a baby for one reason: how I look. These particular girls are interested in sleeping with me each time I return, regardless of whether money is involved.

Member #4698
07-17-12, 05:25
I respectfully disagree with the assumption that filipina women are crazy about white sperms and white Saviour child theory. I'm Indian, now how low can a filipina women go to have an Indian child with the creepy accent, smelly odor, brownish skin & tech support when he grows up. When I first came to the PH, some women wanted kids from me.

Women in Asia, develop motherly instinct at certain age and if you happen to be white, black or brown guy, they will make babies with you. Its just more evident in Philippines, but if you go to India as well, the women will want baby more than anything else in her life.

Asian women are it seems programmed to be that way, they don't care what becomes of the child, the feeling of motherhood in Asian women is so high it eclipse all other problem.AY AY AY – "A Spanish paralinguistic feature of communication. Employed when no words are capable of conveying the frustration or general absurdity of the situation."

In other words Starchild, I think you are over reacting just a tad and misconstruing what I was trying to say. I never wrote 'that Filipina women are crazy about white sperms and white Savior child theory. ' How did you come up with that?

All I said and meant to convey was that since more than 90% of the Filipina bar girls I had carnal knowledge with and rode bareback conveyed nonverbally to me the idea that they would not be upset, in fact, they would be fine with getting knocked up by me and further that there had to be some reason for this strange phenomenon especially since I could see no way they could contact me later and try to gain some financial leverage from the situation.

I think my conclusion is a valid hypothesis. The poor bargirls instinctively see some Darwinian advantage to having mixed race babies although they have probably never heard of Darwin. Since I am a man, a citizen from a western country writing about my Filipino experiences in a western web forum, I did not bother to include other foreign punters in my circle. My error. But since you brought it up, yes Koreans, Japanese, Singaporeans, ie foreigners (even Indians. That is a joke) in the PI for business and pleasure throwing around huge amounts of money for a little poontang would qualify in the girl's minds as worthy donors to their gene pool based on their relative success and wealth compared to what the bar girls are used to. The theory is they want a little of that wealth gene to be transfered to their child. Women have always wanted to mate with the strongest most dominant males they could attact. Don't forget, we are getting mostly the rejects. The girls all have sad stories of a guy they loved who cheated on them or got them pregnant and deserted them. We punters are filling a void.

In most societies, having out of wedlock children is frowned on. And mixed race bastard children would be placed at the lowest rung of the social ladder. I don't think many Indian girls would be ok with having foreign fathered children. How many such kids actually exist? I could be wrong on that since I am not a frequent traveler to India having only been there twice and having never mongered there. No, the point I think you are missing is that the PI is different. The working girls we meet here don't seem to care about getting pregnant without support or marriage and don't seem concerned about the stigma of having a mixed race child. There must be something pretty powerful to override these natural and cultural taboos. I jokingly call it the Bob Marley effect. I don't see this phenomenon in LOS, Cambodia, China, Laos, SA or anywhere else I travel. Ok maybe a little bit of it in Indonesia. So unless you can come up with a better explanation for why Filipinas don't mind having FOREIGN babies I will stick with the Darwinian explanation. Of course the other explanation is that the girls don't think about the consequences of their actions and never consider the risk of getting pregnant until they become pregnant. Call it living in the now.

Ekspat
07-17-12, 05:53
What do you guys think? Sort of Nigeria Connection. Don't do it!

Frenzy3
07-17-12, 07:00
Thanks for your replies confirming my feeling. (it s always good to share opinions and advice, right?)

Unfortunately I can t post her email address due to forum restriction (unless Jackson makes an exception) but her name is mimipark29 and I attach her pic below.

I found her on escort town.

Any recommendation as to what s the best place to pick up a couple of classy escorts for my Friday night?

Thanks in advanceDue to laws escort services are hard to find or recommend, bars are the best way of finding what you want, and date in asia is the best way to find girls if you have time and have back up plans.

As for the girl you posted she looks like she is making money, and not just escort work, sponsors, scams, if she posts a photo like that and expect you to pay before you meet, she not planning on meeting you.

Mc Don
07-17-12, 08:02
I respectfully disagree with the assumption that filipina women are crazy about white sperms and white Saviour child theory. I don't know how this comes up, I think western men get some sort of ego boost when they feel like wanted. Hahaha. I'm Indian, now how low can a filipina women go to have an Indian child with the creepy accent, smelly odor, brownish skin & tech support when he grows up. When I first came to the PH, some women wanted kids from me and being a country of 1. 2 billion and million kids born every month back home, this is the last thing I wanted in the Philippines. Indian women are more than happy to have kids from me. No thanks. I will pass.

I can assure you majority of women are not looking for a white messiah child, its the Asian culture, Asian women are traditionally more motherly and family oriented, no matter how poor they are, Asian women want babies after certain age. No matter with whom they come from. The proof is India & China. Two most populated country on planet combine this with indonesia, pakistan, bangladesh and you have 50% of world population in five countries.

Women in Asia, develop motherly instinct at certain age and if you happen to be white, black or brown guy, they will make babies with you. Its just more evident in Philippines, but if you go to India as well, the women will want baby more than anything else in her life. Look at 1. 2 billion of us as a proof. LOL.

Filpina. Korean babies number in thousands now, more than white-filipina babies or any other race and they are called Kopinos, there was a documentary made on them in Korea and as a result, now these mothers are getting some help from korean NGOs and their kids learning korean as well.

Asian women are it seems programmed to be that way, they don't care what becomes of the child, the feeling of motherhood in Asian women is so high it eclipse all other problem.I think you have NO idea what you are on about.

In phils its COMMON. I have been asked more then a dozen times by different women. I have also been asked only ONCE in indonesia and ONCE in Thailand. Never elsewhere in asia even though I have been just about anywhere including india. There is obvious desire by filipinas to mix with white folk especially with blue eyes which is a mystery to most of us. I have no desire to participate in such events and I do find them weird. No its got nothing to do with my ego its just weird as to why would they want a kid without a father? There is no way I can see my kid growing up in such an environment. I am not sure if filipinas ask other races but I am sure that many don't like the idea of having a kid with a local with no strings attached. Yes that happens a lot there because they are naive and believe the bula bula they hear from the local studs. They are uneducated and locals refuse to use condoms but I am sure that if girl could foresee the consequences at the time she would NOT engage in unprotected sex with local IMO. Like many others my experience when asking WHY do you want a kid from me has been some lame excuse how it would be beautiful and would be a movie star yadayada crap. I have heard this on more then one occasion. I have even had offers to fuck them for weeks without pay do anything I want as long as I keep cumming inside. Yes its weird, yes its crazy but its the truth.By the way excuses I heard in indo and thai were different and more sincere.

What I have learned from this board is that we often have different experiences in phils, we experience same places different even same girl can be different with me then with you. Just because something does not happen to you as often to someone else it does not mean that not true.

BionicMan
07-17-12, 08:46
Thanks for your replies confirming my feeling. (it s always good to share opinions and advice, right?) Unfortunately I can t post her email address due to forum restriction (unless Jackson makes an exception) but her name is mimipark29 and I attach her pic below.I found her on escort town.Any recommendation as to what s the best place to pick up a couple of classy escorts for my Friday night? Thanks in advanceA very nice looking internet scam artist LOL Philippnes must hold the world record for internet scammers. Go on some webcam site and out of Asia girls 70% are from Philippines. I do not think this is related to internet acces, but rather to a) fluent english speaking in the country, be) lack of jobs and finding out they can raise a few bucks a day just by standing in front of a webcam: sooner or later someone, somewhere will pour some money for her to strip or do a private show.

Wicked Roger
07-17-12, 09:58
A very nice looking internet scam artist LOL Philippnes must hold the world record for internet scammers. Go on some webcam site and out of Asia girls 70% are from Philippines. I do not think this is related to internet acces, but rather to a) fluent english speaking in the country, be) lack of jobs and finding out they can raise a few bucks a day just by standing in front of a webcam: sooner or later someone, somewhere will pour some money for her to strip or do a private show.She looks very sexy but is defintely a scam. While you post he email as you said maybe mention the web site. Plenty of these scams around. I would agree with F3 also.

Why not try Classmates, Pegasus or go to the bar in the Shangri La as it used to have some tasty morsels. Sometimes the high class does not reullt in good service but YMMV

BionicMan
07-17-12, 10:17
She looks very sexy but is defintely a scam. While you post he email as you said maybe mention the web site. Plenty of these scams around. I would agree with F3 also. Why not try Classmates, Pegasus or go to the bar in the Shangri La as it used to have some tasty morsels. Sometimes the high class does not reullt in good service but YMMVI think that lots of us, mongering on trips that take only 5% of our year time at the best, do spend a lot of time in "internet mongering", fancing the idea to find Miss "Good One" for the next trip. This keeps us psychologically busy and in action. Giving us the feeling we are out hunting. The internet mongering also makes you attracted by the look (what else, you can't talk nuch, it is all quite clinical, at least you please your eyes) rather than by the content (and service). Easy to fall in the scam for the non smart ones.

It seems indeed a nice idea to search the target of the next visit, but I reckon it is un-necessary, I would even say non-sense, but each one his own.

How many times we rejected a girl from a bar (or from a soapie looking at the fishbowl) after few minuets as feeling not at ease. No drama, no commitment. But set a date, grow expectations on both sides and. Same as above: no chemistry in real. There has been a mild commitment, there is going to be (lot or little) drama.

Better hunt out in real and spend the time at home in RTFF and learn!

Jopj1
07-17-12, 11:15
Guys you are fantastic.

Thanks for your replies.

I have decided to make her run a bit and promised that I ll pay in advance. I keep raising technical difficulties and she keeps reverting to me with new ideas. I even suggested to pay her the whole amount as deposit which she kindly refused.

Anyway I ll keep you posted if anything good comes out of my week end!

Mackin
07-17-12, 17:09
After reading many posts I thought I would enter some thoughs. I will try to keep it short. Not all of my thoughts will pretain to every girl or situation. I have been told that the face is a big thing for some of the girls. Not having a flat nose or having whiter skin is favorable. I guess if it is not normal for the locals and they have seen many pictures of these fearures it becomes hollywood style type casting.

I think one of the biggest reason is the lack of social net. When they get older they need to have someone to take care of them. There is no social security or pension plan. This is the famlies responsibality. So you need that kid or kids to help you out. I read aboout guys saying that if you get married to one you will support her family. Of course you will. You have just joined the safety net for the family and they think you have money to burn.

It is built into a female to reproduce and care for kids. Not so much for the guys.

Another large reason is the good ole Catholic church. In the days of european expansion people under your control ment power. It continues today with the catholic missionaries and other religions as well. This leads to birth control, or lack of it. If they are taught about std's and sex in general there would be less children and thus less power for the church. The church power in the Phils is very controling, and you don't want their rath thrust upon you. I would venture to guess that very little about sex education is taught in the school. McDon mentioned that in Indo and Thailand he was asked only once about not using a condom. Yes, as these are not countries dominated by the catholic church.

I know a girl who became pregant by a Japanese guy. She now after having the baby wants to go back to her go go life style as she is still young and wants to party. I tiold her next time use a condom. She said she knows that now. A little to late isn't it? I guess the old saying ignorance is bliss fits right in here.

There are social pressures for there future life, religious considerations, female needs to have a kid, and looks of person pulling at them, plus others. And they are not in general not highly educated. Doesn't make for a good situation for them. Still, we enjoy them as it can be a hell of a good time with them, But I will use a condom and not be getting any new relatives for my family.

These are just some thoughts I have had. You might agree or not agree as there is not one answer that I know about.

Mr Enternational
07-17-12, 21:53
One of my Pinay had a friend in town for one night only. Said friend is a female police chief in metro Manila. We took my cousin with us for a double date. While they were hitting it off well, she told my cousin that if they (assuming she meant people above her) knew she was with a black guy then her career would be ruined. I've never experienced any prejudice while dealing with Filipinos so when my cousin told me that she had said this I was a bit curious. Any one care to chime in?

Wazoo
07-18-12, 21:53
There is obvious desire by filipinas to mix with white folk especially with blue eyes which is a mystery to most of us.By coincidence I had this very same conversation yesterday with the beautiful former actress / model I mentioned in an earlier thread. She was married to a European husband who died unexpectedly when she was pregnant and now is rearing the toddler by herself. I commented to her how beautiful the child is (and it was). She immediately told me that she wants to have another mixed baby very badly. The implication was pretty clear that she wanted me to help out with this dream. She told me that she most wants to have a baby with a "colored eye" foreigner because those babies are so beautiful. She was disappointed when I told her that dark eyes are dominant and she'd have very slim chances of producing a colored eye baby.

Starchild2012
07-19-12, 03:40
Filipinos are incredibly racist towards all foreigners. You should sit and observe the way they behave around each other compared to the way they behave around foreigners.

Filipinas fear and respect and their men. They don't respect foreigners we are merely tolerated due to financial needs which thus creates the cases of foreigners being conned out of money and other worldly possessions and time and time again. They wouldn't dare try to pull the same scams they pull with their own countrymen.

As for Blacks. For most Filipinos Blacks are the lowest of the low. You could be Will Smith or Kobe Bryant and an overweight no-name Caucasian will beat you out in terms of acceptance with them.

You should check some websites comments on Yahoo Phils when ever some racial issue comes up or Filipino boxing websites whenever a Filipino is facing a Black opponent. The word Nigger is thrown out there more times than I care to mention.

These comments come from the same Filipinos you see in everyday life in PI. Don't know if it originates from Caucasians putting things in their heads, their colonial past or human beings general propensity for denigrating others that don't look as they do.

While most Filipinas (YOU) will meet will associate with Blacks as these tend to be from the lower echelons of their society and these type would associate with any foreigner the high tier ones are mostly out of reach. You will have some mongers cry foul and say how they have bedded some from high society but as one dubious monger said most mongers speak with a forked tongue.

Whats comical is that most Filipinos have more Negroid figures than Caucasian. They seem generally too stupid to acknowledge this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJIm58Yse8Very well said. Not only filipinos, just about every Asian is as racist as they come. We don't like farangs, we like the white skin they have, tanned foreigners have equal chance of getting rejected by Asians as they do with blacks.

Just the other day, there was a big hue and cry, over english teachers dating Korean girls.

http://www.koreabang.com/2012/stories/newspaper-reveals-the-truth-about-foreigners-in-korea.html

If you read the comments of Koreans on English teachers, you would be shocked. Reverse racism at its best. Koreans are just a notch above filipinos, they don't even like white guys forget about blacks, however, they are below us Indians, who don't like our own kinds, hahaha. Read Caste.

The problem is we don't have yoda or Jar Jar binks to hang out with. We are stuck with low life humans who comprise the majority, who can't go beyond skin color. No matter, where you go on this planet. You will find these kinds. Science has proven that we all share the same DNA structure, have equal blood types in all race, have equal number of bones, teeth, lungs, kidneys etc etc. A black guy could donate his blood to a needy Asian guy and he will be alright. Now thats a miracle, thats proof that race, skin color does not matter.

If you think PH is bad, I can assure all black people that India is worst, don't ever come here, it will be an experience you will never forget.

WestCoast1
07-19-12, 04:19
That's true. You never see phil / Am babies with green eyes. But, for my sake, please don't TELL them that! Haha.

FreebieFan
07-19-12, 04:32
That's true. You never see phil / Am babies with green eyes. But, for my sake, please don't TELL them that! Haha.Am glad am in the blue category. I think my eyes have got me lots of sweet lays!

Gangles
07-19-12, 05:44
Gentlemen,

This discussion about pinay wanting to make babies with foreigners is mostly rubbish. Mostly as a result of your social conditioning.

It is the genetic imperative for every female, of every species, to mate and reproduce as often as possible. Whether it is dogs, cats, humans or crocodiles. Preservation of the species. Western society has been infused with the feminist rhetoric that having children is an unnecessary burden on the woman who wants to have it all.

Filipina are much closer to nature than are most western women. They have less layers on their sociological onion. I have posted about this in the past. So the desire of pinay to have children is normal; it is natural.

There is nothing in nature that says that the pinay must be married to the father of her children. That is a sociological construct. What is natural, is that the pinay will seek to mate with the male who has the best genetics that she can find. Indicators of superior genetics in males includes physical strength, high body symmetry, power. Filipinos see caucasians as being of superior power, because we are. Same for Koreans, Japanese. Money is an indicator, also, military superiority is an indicator of superior genetics. So, for the pinay on the lower rungs of the sociological ladder, having offspring by a caucasian father is a normal, natural response, and will produce a child with better genetics than its mother. Classical.

If I remember correctly, pinay of mixed race are banned from the Miss Philippines beauty contests because they have an unfair advantage, that is, they have superior genetics.

The features that we see as common to beautiful women include high body symmetry, long legs, straight nose, balanced breasts, wider spacing of eyes. Men naturally look at women's breasts, because symmetrical breasts are good indicators of good genetics. Unfortunately for us men, women wear bras to create synthetic symmetry of their breasts. And they wear high heels to create an image of longer legs.

When western women take the contraceptive pill, they change their body's chemistry, fooling the body to think that she is pregnant. A pregnant woman looks to settle down with a different type of male, than if her hormones are natural. Pinay generally do not take the contraceptive pill, and hence their mate-seeking criteria are much closer to the natural state of homo sapiens.

For what it is worth.

Gangles

Gangles
07-19-12, 06:08
Having worked and lived in a number of countries and cultures around the world, I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a country, or culture, which is not racist. It is more a matter of degree. Some cultures are more racist than others.

In my observation, the most racist people that I have worked with are black Americans, and Australian aboriginals. To them, race is everything.

In many countries, racism is legally sanctioned. A Filipino can take out Australian citizenship, but an Australian can not take out Filipino citizenship. A Filipino can buy land in Australia, but an Australian can not buy land in the Philippines. Same for all Asian countries, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, etc etc. This is legislated racism. When I work with Koreans in the Phils, their attitude of racial superiority over filipinos is self evident.

In Australia, my identity is "non indigenous"; that is, I am identified as not being aboriginal, rather than what my race actually is. Many of our government forms, and legal documents, require me to identify if I am aboriginal, that is, my race. Therefore Australia is, by definition, by legislation, a racist country.

I think that many western countries are the same. But it also seems that western countries, in general, are less racist than the rest of the world.

So I suggest that we do not beat up filipinos as being racist, any more that our own countries and / or cultures.

Gangles


If you are talking about specific people in certain situations then I could buy in to your comments but if your saying the vast majority in most or all situations then I have to say it's the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. You can't possibly speak about a whole country of people based on some articles. I could show you 100 other articles that would state the exact opposite. I have spent a lot of time in Asia, have a home in China, and live with the locals in many countries and have seen none of what your claiming to be true. There's a big difference between stereotyping people and being racist. http://nitawriter.wordpress.com/2007/09/12/what-asians-think-of-each-other-and-america/

Radical Guy
07-19-12, 16:42
When my Filipina wife of 7 years first came to the US, I introduced her to some friends, one of whom was a black man. My wife casually commented to me,"Oh, he's such a nice Nigger guy." I was absolutely floored by the cavalier way she said that, and asked my wife why she would call such a nice man a "Nigger," which we all know as an outrageously racist and derogatory term.

It turned out that my wife never intended any sort of insult, nor did she hold any negative view of black people. It was simply that, where she was from, the term "Nigger" was just another word for "Negro," and was a common way to describe a black person. Of course, I told her that in this country, the term "Nigger" is a terribly insulting term, and that she should NEVER use that word, or she would be labeled a racist. My wife apologize profusely, and has never said that word again. Today, she has many black coworkers and friends, and there is not a racist bone in her body.

So, I don't think that Filipinos are necessarily "racist," per se, they are simply uneducated, given the fact that there are not a lot of black people in the Philippines, especially in the provinces, although there are many darker skinned Filipinos.

RG

D Cups
07-19-12, 17:43
Well said, my friend. All people, by definition, are racist. It is one of the ways humans categorize: right or wrong or indifferent. As a whilte American, I, too, notice that many black Americans make a bigger deal out of their color than other colors but who am I to judge? Meanwhile, while we are in a foreign country let us ENJOY their culture and stop thinking it is inferior or superior and just accept it for what it is. I am thankful the Filipino culture, comparatively, produces such loving, sexy female creatures; and that it why I will probably move there when I retire. The USA is declining rapidly.


Having worked and lived in a number of countries and cultures around the world, I have come to the conclusion that there is no such thing as a country, or culture, which is not racist. It is more a matter of degree. Some cultures are more racist than others.

In my observation, the most racist people that I have worked with are black Americans, and Australian aboriginals. To them, race is everything.

In many countries, racism is legally sanctioned. A Filipino can take out Australian citizenship, but an Australian can not take out Filipino citizenship. A Filipino can buy land in Australia, but an Australian can not buy land in the Philippines. Same for all Asian countries, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, etc etc. This is legislated racism. When I work with Koreans in the Phils, their attitude of racial superiority over filipinos is self evident.

In Australia, my identity is "non indigenous"; that is, I am identified as not being aboriginal, rather than what my race actually is. Many of our government forms, and legal documents, require me to identify if I am aboriginal, that is, my race. Therefore Australia is, by definition, by legislation, a racist country.

I think that many western countries are the same. But it also seems that western countries, in general, are less racist than the rest of the world.

So I suggest that we do not beat up filipinos as being racist, any more that our own countries and / or cultures.

Gangles

WestCoast1
07-19-12, 21:23
When my Filipina wife of 7 years first came to the US, I introduced her to some friends, one of whom was a black man. My wife casually commented to me,"Oh, he's such a nice Nigger guy." I was absolutely floored by the cavalier way she said that, and asked my wife why she would call such a nice man a "Nigger," which we all know as an outrageously racist and derogatory term.

So, I don't think that Filipinos are necessarily "racist," per se, they are simply uneducated, given the fact that there are not a lot of black people in the Philippines, especially in the provinces, although there are many darker skinned Filipinos.

RGInteresting. The term has been around for longer than we've been alive. I've heard it used in many different geographical locations, in the same manner as your wife used it. Its not used as a slur, its used to depict or describe a black person (much the same way pinoy use the term 'kano': "How's your kano doing?"). Interesting that your western definition sees it as derogatory. I have family in one part of the US. They still use the term a lot. RG you called it 'outrageously racist and derogatory term. ' To my family there (but not my family in another part of the country) , they use it like your wife did, and they use it often. It does not always carry the negative connotation you described. Racism comes in different forms. Black people use the term here more than anyone.

A related item about pinay. There is a girl in phils I had been hammering for several years. She loves sex. Age 22 at the time. A night or two here, a night or two there. Always the same routine, a few drinks, the karaoke bar so she and her friends can sing, or live band, then back to whatever hotel I'm at for a bunch of evening and morning glory. Breakfast, and off she goes. A few years ago we leave the bar and hop in the taxi. I tell the driver the name of the hotel, and the girl freaks out."No! Not there! I have relatives who work there!" So what? We've been doing this for years now."So the door guys will know me and tell my family. I cannot be seen with you!" What. The. F*ck? Why not? We've been going around for years now in public."Because my family find out I met a foreigner they will kill me. Kick me out to the curb!" She was dead serious. Your family is racist then?"Yes of course. This is the way they are. I never tell them that I met a foreigner. They would not allow it." Interesting, her friends knew me, but her family was never aware that she had met a foreigner. What do you tell your family you are doing when you spend time with me?"I lie them tell them I'm visit friend." Oh, how easily they can deceive, and how they can recognize and tolerate racism. Family means everything, and at the same time, nothing.

Wicked Roger
07-19-12, 23:46
Am glad am in the blue category. I think my eyes have got me lots of sweet lays!I agree FF. When you lie there and they comment that you have such blue eyes you know that you are onto a w inner. But I have had the same discussion with friends not cuties WC about the dominance of brown in the mix.

Would not be good to spread that information although I am keen to spread the need that they should have a smoothe shaved pussy (despite David33 objections on this subject. LOL)

Chocha Monger
07-20-12, 02:11
Interesting. The term has been around for longer than we've been alive. I've heard it used in many different geographical locations, in the same manner as your wife used it. Its not used as a slur, its used to depict or describe a black person (much the same way pinoy use the term 'kano': "How's your kano doing?"). Interesting that your western definition sees it as derogatory. I have family in one part of the US. They still use the term a lot. RG you called it 'outrageously racist and derogatory term. ' To my family there (but not my family in another part of the country) , they use it like your wife did, and they use it often. It does not always carry the negative connotation you described. Racism comes in different forms. Black people use the term here more than anyone.Really? I don't know of any place in the United States where African Americans would think it is acceptable for whites to call them by that term. Even in the Deep South that term is considered a violent racial slur reminiscent of lynching and whites riding around in white sheets and pointy hats terrorizing the African American population. The term is still in use among racist whites when referring to black people but never when speaking to them unless used as a slur or while committing a hate crime.


In my observation, the most racist people that I have worked with are black Americans, and Australian aboriginals. To them, race is everything.Well, you have to look at it in context. Both groups have been the victims of genocide and terrible atrocities at the hands of whites. Can you really blame them if they keep looking over their shoulder? While Australians whites are some of the most hospitable and fun people to work with, many still refer to aboriginals as 'coons. ' Races or ethnicities who suffer terrible atrocities at the hands of another race or ethnicity often use it as a reference point when dealing with those who belong to the persecuting group. So, you can say that to a Jew being Jewish is everything when dealing with the descendants of the Nazis.

FreebieFan
07-20-12, 02:56
When my Filipina wife of 7 years first came to the US, I introduced her to some friends, one of whom was a black man. My wife casually commented to me,"Oh, he's such a nice Nigger guy." I was absolutely floored by the cavalier way she said that, and asked my wife why she would call such a nice man a "Nigger," which we all know as an outrageously racist and derogatory term.

It turned out that my wife never intended any sort of insult, nor did she hold any negative view of black people. It was simply that, where she was from, the term "Nigger" was just another word for "Negro," and was a common way to describe a black person. RGMy father in law used to use the word in a similar fashion. To him it was just a means of describing a person of colour with no malice or racism intended.

I never heard what he called me tho. The poriner son in law.

Red Kilt
07-20-12, 03:53
. < SNIP

If I remember correctly, pinay of mixed race are banned from the Miss Philippines beauty contests because they have an unfair advantage, that is, they have superior genetics.Not true G.

Virtually every one of the women who get through to the final round have mixed blood, whether Phil-Am, Phil-Aus, Phil-Brit etc.

A majority of the major show-business stars have mixed blood too. Some of them cannot even speak Tagalog, and they take crash courses to learn the language when they come to the Phils to gain fame (eg Ann Curtis, Solenn Heusaff to name just two)

Same with the so-called Phils representative sports teams in Basketball and Football (Soccer). Virtually ALL players in both codes have mixed parentage and, in fact, many actually reside overseas.

Pinoys know this. It is yet another reason why they want mixed blood babies.

WestCoast1
07-20-12, 04:12
Really? I don't know of any place in the United States where African Americans would think it is acceptable for whites to call them by that term. Even in the Deep South that term is considered a violent racial slur reminiscent of lynching and whites riding around in white sheets and pointy hats terrorizing the African American population. The term is still in use among racist whites when referring to black people but never when speaking to them unless used as a slur or while committing a hate crime.Really. CM I think you are generalizing. This got off the Manila topic. I will PM you.

In another sense, you are correct. We don't walk down the street and dish that out regularly.


Well, you have to look at it in context. Both groups have been the victims of genocide and terrible atrocities at the hands of whites. Can you really blame them if they keep looking over their shoulder? While Australians whites are some of the most hospitable and fun people to work with, many still refer to aboriginals as 'coons. ' Races or ethnicities who suffer terrible atrocities at the hands of another race or ethnicity often use it as a reference point when dealing with those who belong to the persecuting group. So, you can say that to a Jew being Jewish is everything when dealing with the descendants of the Nazis.Concur. The same way blacks in america are very distrusting of the police (and the justice system, for good reason. Centuries of abuse) , many white people here just don't understand that.

Gumby2004
07-20-12, 05:11
One of my Pinay had a friend in town for one night only. Said friend is a female police chief in metro Manila. We took my cousin with us for a double date. While they were hitting it off well, she told my cousin that if they (assuming she meant people above her) knew she was with a black guy then her career would be ruined. I've never experienced any prejudice while dealing with Filipinos so when my cousin told me that she had said this I was a bit curious. Any one care to chime in?Her higher-ups may be suckers of the stereotypes linking black people to criminal lifestyles. My take is that hooking up with a brotha would ruin her career because of a perceived conflict of interest. A law enforcement officer with personal ties to the criminal underworld would be scandalous, indeed.

I was once stopped in Robinson's Malate by two salesladies trying to turn me on to a skin whitening cream. I politely declined and stressed that I was happy with my natural complexion, but the bubbleheads couldn't connect the dots. They then offered the cream at a special discount just for me because I definitely needed it. Yup, you guessed it right. I'm black.

I should point out that my experiences in the Phils normally range from good to great. In random encounters, however, I've learned to keep my expectations dialed to 'low', and my sense of humor dialed to 'high'.

Tally Wacker
07-20-12, 07:19
Ok that was good! The only thing I could add is you should have suggested they come to your room and apply the cream in person.

That is one thing in Phil that impresses me and pisses me off at the same time is the continuess effort to sell you something and they just don't give up. I remember working at a car lot selling cars when I was in college and this one Filipino guy that was in the states just 2 years would out sell everyone. He was not tallented but he just kept selling and would never give up.


I was once stopped in Robinson's Malate by two salesladies trying to turn me on to a skin whitening cream. I politely declined and stressed that I was happy with my natural complexion, but the bubbleheads couldn't connect the dots. They then offered the cream at a special discount just for me because I definitely needed it. Yup, you guessed it right. I'm black.

I should point out that my experiences in the Phils normally range from good to great. In random encounters, however, I've learned to keep my expectations dialed to 'low', and my sense of humor dialed to 'high'.

AfAsia
07-20-12, 07:24
I love it when Asians ask this honkey where he is from. Really amuses me no end when I respond that I'm from Africa. They will just not believe me. Bola Bola. To them I'm either European, Aus or American. Understandable really.

X Man
07-20-12, 08:48
Where I come from Gumby is green! Great post, thanks for the chuckle.

(are you sure those salesladies weren't just having a little fun?)


Her higher-ups may be suckers of the stereotypes linking black people to criminal lifestyles. My take is that hooking up with a brotha would ruin her career because of a perceived conflict of interest. A law enforcement officer with personal ties to the criminal underworld would be scandalous, indeed.

I was once stopped in Robinson's Malate by two salesladies trying to turn me on to a skin whitening cream. I politely declined and stressed that I was happy with my natural complexion, but the bubbleheads couldn't connect the dots. They then offered the cream at a special discount just for me because I definitely needed it. Yup, you guessed it right. I'm black.

I should point out that my experiences in the Phils normally range from good to great. In random encounters, however, I've learned to keep my expectations dialed to 'low', and my sense of humor dialed to 'high'.

Sxxxx
07-20-12, 09:20
Really? While Australians whites are some of the most hospitable and fun people to work with, many still refer to aboriginals as 'coons.Really? Where did you pick up that piece of misinformation. Your getting mixed up with a brand of Australian Cheese. See Wikipedia below. Coons might have been used by the British Colonisers 100 or so years ago, but I've never heard it in my life time. It can be mildly derogatory to refer to aborigines as "abo's". Depends on context, if such expression is considered mildly insulting or not. They always refer to me as aborigine, never "abo". Nice cheese, harmless expression, LOL.

Wikipedia :

Coon, an abbreviation for fur from raccoons and racoon dogs.

Coon, an alternative name for Maine Coon.

Coöand (&922; &972; &969; &957; , &922; &972; &969; &957; &959; &962, a Trojan warrior who fought in the Trojan War.

Coon cheese, is the trademark of a cheddar cheese produced by the Dairy Farmers company in Australia.

Coon Carnival, a yearly minstrel festival in Cape Town, South Africa.

"The Coon", an episode of USA animated series South Park

Mackin
07-20-12, 19:07
Just to give you more Info. Coon was a derogatory term used in the USA It went along with the N. Word and another term like a blackie. I remember hearing it but it was a long time ago. Can't say if it was more of a northern term or a southern term. It looks like it could have been picked up and used because of the carnival you are refering to in South Africa. I was not aware of many of the things you mentioned. Anyway it is rather discusting and shows a lack of verbal communication skills to use any of these terms in my opinion.

Boofa69
07-20-12, 19:08
U heard about the 2 Aborigines who moved to Thailand. U know what they become. Thaicoons.

WestCoast1
07-20-12, 19:15
Really? Where did you pick up that piece of misinformation. Your getting mixed up with a brand of Australian Cheese. See Wikipedia below. Coons might have been used by the British Colonisers 100 or so years ago, but I've never heard it in my life time. It can be mildly derogatory to refer to aborigines as "abo's". Depends on context, if such expression is considered mildly insulting or not. They always refer to me as aborigine, never "abo". Nice cheese, harmless expression, LOL.OTOH, CM might be right about 'coon'. Will PM you both.

Wicked Roger
07-20-12, 20:00
OTOH, CM might be right about 'coon'. Will PM you both.I can't believe we are having this discussion on the board. Sxxxx I know plenty more Aussie words for the indigenous population but won't share as this board has more 'important' matters of mongering to discuss LOL

Sxxxx
07-21-12, 07:26
Just to give you more Info. Coon was a derogatory term used in the USA It went along with the N. Word and another term like a blackie. I remember hearing it but it was a long time ago. Can't say if it was more of a northern term or a southern term. It looks like it could have been picked up and used because of the carnival you are refering to in South Africa. I was not aware of many of the things you mentioned. Anyway it is rather discusting and shows a lack of verbal communication skills to use any of these terms in my opinion.Yes I have heard it referred to as an American and Canadian term. Remember once a Canadian being amazed at a Cheese being marketed as "Coon Cheese". Thats because its not derogatory, not racist, in the country that the Cheese is sold, Australia. Coon has got nothing to do with Australia, other than possibly Colonial times, way back and a cheese brand to this day. Never heard it being used in reference to my abo brothers ever. Never ever. Not common in Australia 2nd millenium, as suggested by original, possibly American, poster, not common. Nice Cheese though. Got to get back to practising on my didgeridoo, LOL.

John Traveller
07-21-12, 11:45
Just arrived in Manila today, and I discovered that pharmacies don't sell Sildenafil / Viagra OTC. A bit surprising since this is no problem in Angeles City. I asked in Watsons in Mall of Asia and a small pharmacy at the Taft / EDSA crossing by the MRT. Both in Pasay City. I'll be grateful if anyone has an advice on this.

Wicked Roger
07-21-12, 12:20
Just arrived in Manila today, and I discovered that pharmacies don't sell Sildenafil / Viagra OTC. A bit surprising since this is no problem in Angeles City. I asked in Watsons in Mall of Asia and a small pharmacy at the Taft / EDSA crossing by the MRT. Both in Pasay City. I'll be grateful if anyone has an advice on this.JT.

Many of the guys get it from the vendors outside Oxford Suites in Burgos. Price is around 1000 PHP for 6 boxes and is genuine but make sure they show you the contents first

Others I know have bought it from Mercury pharmacies. Just ask and say you about its use. But this is old information

Jp Slicky
07-21-12, 14:06
I went to one Mercury and they would not sell, then went to the one just south of Green belt 3 and they sold to me. I feel not so much the store but the person you are dealing with? Slip them a few pesos, and see what happens.

John Traveller
07-21-12, 15:04
JT.

Many of the guys get it from the vendors outside Oxford Suites in Burgos. Price is around 1000 PHP for 6 boxes and is genuine but make sure they show you the contents first

Others I know have bought it from Mercury pharmacies. Just ask and say you about its use. But this is old informationUsing Google maps I found one Mercury nearby, at the Rotunda / EDSA MRT."Do you have a prescription?" the lady said. I replied: "Yes, but I forgot it, I will bring it the next time." I just bought two pieces of 50 mg, as they only had the expensive original. 685 peso a pill."Remember prescription the next time" she said.

Now, the next project will be to find a pharmacy thay sell the generic one.

Red Kilt
07-21-12, 16:50
Using Google maps I found one Mercury nearby, at the Rotunda / EDSA MRT."Do you have a prescription?" the lady said. I replied: "Yes, but I forgot it, I will bring it the next time." I just bought two pieces of 50 mg, as they only had the expensive original. 685 peso a pill."Remember prescription the next time" she said.

Now, the next project will be to find a pharmacy thay sell the generic one.I have posted here many times about the generic version of Sildenifil called Andros.

Ask for the box of 100 mg tabs and break them in half.

50 mg should be plenty.

Freely available over the counter at Mercury Drug in Ortigas in both Shangrila Mall and Robinson's Galleria branches; not available in Watson's. The Mercury in St Francis' tiangge at back of Megamall will not sell it without a prescription.

Different stores have different policies even though they are all Mercury Drug. They are run by different franchisees, so they can have different rules.

John Traveller
07-21-12, 21:30
I have been to Angeles City lots of times, on this visit to the Philippines I wanted to check out someting new, so I go to Manila. First is EDSA International Entertainment Complex located in Pasay City. It's a building with seven gogo bars inside. I stay at Copacabana hotel just cross the street to be as near as possible (see the Manila Hotels section for a report). I go to the complex at 11 pm, few people there for a Saturday and not all bars are open. The low season. I manage to have a look inside all the bars, and I have a drink in two of them and take out a girl from one. I am not impressed by this place, the possibilities are limited, and it's overpriced, I think. Details: Pitstop, Samba, Space Girls are the best bars. The other ones, Cotton Club, Bullets+Arrows, Firehouse are just OK. Casino, VIP are closed. Compared to AC it is more expensive and not better in any way, on the contrary, I think. It's lacking in atmosphere. All places I drink in have ladies drink for 385 and local drink for 135.

In Space Girls I get eye-contact with this girl Melody, and I invite her down. Beautiful, young and friendly, so I decide to take her home. BF if 1650 and in addition the girl gets 2500 (afterwords). That's 4150 in total. (I forgot to negociate!) Too much. Anyway, we go back to my hotel. We plan to just walk across the bridge, but now it has started to rain as hell! So we take a taxi. 100 for making a turn in the road! Finally in bed the girl is really nice, BBBJ and good FS, but nothing very special. She is a bit reserved, but performs good. An average experience for me. But then, just after one pop she showers and want to leave! I had forgot to make detailed arrangments about the time! Afterwards this irritates me a bit as I now see it was kind of a rip-off with the time / price. Enough with Edsa for me, in the coming week I will investigate the MBC and Havana bars + P. Burgos street.

FunnyGoLucky
07-22-12, 00:10
I been going back and force too to ph since 1986. I nearly always used pay girls. Lesser problem I think. Yesterday I try DIA.

I wake up I get I girl in dia we chat we agree too meet in farmers cubao. So within 4 hours we already in motel. Soo I recomend DIA.

Starchild2012
07-22-12, 05:55
US, Canadian men held in Philippines for fake Viagra.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jWWrQnpvZlBvlUz501XNfWwAyMQQ?docId=CNG.a453c1ab83976226b34d22598229440e.391

Wicked Roger
07-22-12, 07:06
US, Canadian men held in Philippines for fake Viagra.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jWWrQnpvZlBvlUz501XNfWwAyMQQ?docId=CNG.a453c1ab83976226b34d22598229440e.391This was at the request of Pfizer. Which means these guys must have been doing large amounts (well maybe?). The article I read said they used cloud technology so the PNP can't access their database LOL. It must be possible but they cannot do it.

But this does seem odd when there are guys all over the country selling the stuff outside hotels.

Maybe another way to bend over for the US and its affliates so the PI government is seen to do something so it can get cash from the USA. As it has bugger all irtself and what it does have is happily spent and taken by the rich elite

Frenzy3
07-22-12, 09:25
This was at the request of Pfizer. Which means these guys must have been doing large amounts (well maybe?). The article I read said they used cloud technology so the PNP can't access their database LOL. It must be possible but they cannot do it.

But this does seem odd when there are guys all over the country selling the stuff outside hotels.

Maybe another way to bend over for the US and its affliates so the PI government is seen to do something so it can get cash from the USA. As it has bugger all irtself and what it does have is happily spent and taken by the rich eliteIt was all over the news, they had a office setup with 20 or so staff selling fake drugs, not a good biz idea, as they can arrest you here just for running a biz that can compete with a local biz. There are some truly dumb people in this world, to me PI is a police state when it comes to money, every level of government has their hands in your pocket, so if you want to break international trade laws do it in another country.

So far USA is showing and getting results that they want the police here to do what the USA government wants.

Red Kilt
07-22-12, 10:04
It was all over the news, they had a office setup with 20 or so staff selling fake drugs, not a good biz idea, as they can arrest you here just for running a biz that can compete with a local biz. .Every country requires you to license your business, and if you don't then you risk getting busted. Philippines is no different.

In the Phils, there are way too many people who will report any foreigner who tries to run a business if he / she doesn't have all the paper work completed. I wrote on here late last year about a Korean who lived in my condo who was deported when somebody reported him for running a large business on black money. Lost everything, and he and his family were kicked out with red marks in the passport.

It is even riskier if you run an unlicensed business selling fake stuff. Double whammy.

The killer is in the incrediblly complicated process to license a business. There are 38 different signatures required; in Australia you need 3 (I learned this from a local Aust. NZ website article complaining about how difficult it is to do business in the Phils)

Wicked Roger
07-22-12, 10:13
The killer is in the incrediblly complicated process to license a business. There are 38 different signatures required; in Australia you need 3 (I learned this from a local Aust. NZ website article complaining about how difficult it is to do business in the Phils)Thanks for update.

RK it seems that PI is keen to avoid other than local business. Sound like the French years ago when one man would count all the goods coming from the UK to slow down matters LOL.

Your story does not surprise me at all and am sure it will get more complicated if too many foreigners start to make too much money being professional when compared with the locals.

Our chat yesterday about Globe sums up the issues in this counrty. No clue at all and I actually like Globe due to Singtel LOL

Red Kilt
07-22-12, 10:43
. SNIP.

Our chat yesterday about Globe sums up the issues in this counrty. No clue at all and I actually like Globe due to Singtel LOLQuite extraordinary. I have had a similar experience to you in the Nokia office in Megamall WR.

Go in early to beat the rush. Hahaha silly me. Get ticket (#55). They are currently serving #25.

There are 8 desk spaces, but only 2 people working at the counter, with around 30 people waiting (there weren't enough seats for everybody).

I asked the guard why they don't have more staff as Sat and Sun are the busiest days of the week.

Response: They have day off sir.

Me: But surely you should have more staff rostered than this?

Guard: shrugged and said something about people needing to have a day off.

I walked out 10 minutes later ceremoniously tearing up my # 55 ticket and giving it to the guard when one of the 2 staff left for her morning tea (merienda) break and nobody replaced her. What really gave me the shits was that I could see a couple of employees in a back room laughing and chatting away oblivious to the carnage in the front office

I know this series of events parallels WRs experience at Globe yesterday because when he texted me there was smoke coming out of my BB lol.

I love so many things about the Philippines (after all, I choose to live here) , but doing any kind of business requiring customer service is not one of them.

GoodEnough
07-22-12, 13:26
Thanks for update.

RK it seems that PI is keen to avoid other than local business. Sound like the French years ago when one man would count all the goods coming from the UK to slow down matters LOL.

Your story does not surprise me at all and am sure it will get more complicated if too many foreigners start to make too much money being professional when compared with the locals.

Our chat yesterday about Globe sums up the issues in this counrty. No clue at all and I actually like Globe due to Singtel LOLYou've got to wonder what's going to happen in 2015 once ASEAN integration takes place, the tariff barriers fall, and businesses here have to begin to compete with real companies in the region.

GE

BionicMan
07-22-12, 13:50
You've got to wonder what's going to happen in 2015 once ASEAN integration takes place, the tariff barriers fall, and businesses here have to begin to compete with real companies in the region.GEI can anticipate what is going to happen. Wherever and whenever possible prices and fees will align to upper levels, drawn by the corporates working on global schemes. Otherwise they will not be able to economically control the flow of goods from one country to the other through third party traders. It is still in mind a letter received from the national HQ of a global enterprise, starting that, in view of the EU barriers falling and the introduction of euro, from date so and so, their price lists would have been levelled up by 10 percent, to align with other markets. Of course mongering services are not globally managed as such, but the prices up of many commodities, products, services, will easily draw the rest of the economy to pair with the increased general cost of life.

Wicked Roger
07-22-12, 15:20
You've got to wonder what's going to happen in 2015 once ASEAN integration takes place, the tariff barriers fall, and businesses here have to begin to compete with real companies in the region.

GEWords that spring to mind are

1. Carnage.

2. Greater unemployment (as ASEAN companies take over PI firms and 'streamline'). Is that possible LOL.

3. The rich get richer

4. The poor get poorer.

5. Corruption is worse.

Thats enough for now GE, but what ever it is it won't be good and am sure the filipinos will blame anyone who points out their weaknesss (and bans any foreigner who God forbids does a You Tube on it LOL)

Very sad.

RK: I did not say that also at Globe there was the tea break issue (so only 1 person with 45 people waiting when I counted) and there were other employees in the back. The lady I spoke with about my nearly 3 hour wait was unapologetic and looked annoyed I complained. Welcome to the Philippines customer service mantra

Cunning Stunt
07-22-12, 16:47
RK: I did not say that also at Globe there was the tea break issue (so only 1 person with 45 people waiting when I counted) and there were other employees in the back. The lady I spoke with about my nearly 3 hour wait was unapologetic and looked annoyed I complained. Welcome to the Philippines customer service mantraFilipinos are institutionally conditioned to poor service and waiting. Whilst in London, I visited the Philippine Embassy where I was given a number and took my place in an electronic queuing system. Shortly after I arrived the electronic board suddenly decided to go crazy and reset itself to zero. I immediately drew the faulty board to the attention of a member of staff. As expected he denied their was a problem despite the evidence of his eyes. Only one Filipino joined me in protesting at the problem board. The other fifty or so sat quiet as mice even though they had lost their position in the queue. I was totally astonished and then remembered that I had seen similar behaviour in The Philippines. They sit meek, quiet and uncomplaining in the face of the most atrocious customer management.

Same as your lady, the consulate member of staff was pissed that I (and a Filipino) should have the temerity to question his dictatorial authority. He would have ignored me as a troublemaking foreigner, had not the Filipino who also complained prove himself to be far higher on the status pecking order than the miserable consulate counter jockey. So the situation was addressed and rectified.

It was amazing. I felt myself transported back to The Philippines although I was in comparatively highly efficient (compared to Manila) London

WestCoast1
07-22-12, 20:58
So I have questions about using my Smart Buddy sim in my phone. I head to the Smart store in the mall. 4 employees standing at the door, greeting customers and pointing out the customers should take a number. 4 female clerks behind the counter, each at a computer terminal, seated, each helping a customer. About 4 customers waiting in front of me. Seemed fine as I grabbed my number and took a seat. Could perhaps one of the 4 employees at the door answer my question? No sir, that's their job (pointing to the seated CSR's). I sit and wait. 15 minutes. 20 minutes. That's right, you read that right. Each of the 4 CSR's was glued to her computer, seeming to ignore the customer in front of her, occasionally writing something on paper. Then, finally, one of the seated customers with a CSR departed. An opening! The next customer in line took that spot. I thought, golly, I'll be able to get a CSR in less than an hour! What a treat!

It took only another 5 minutes before my number was called. 25 minutes. I asked my questions, two simple questions: a) why was my load disappearing daily, completely, since I had unlimited all-network txting, and I never use the phone for data (turned off) , and I had made no phone calls? And be) how do I get a month's unlimited data plan?

Both of these threw the CSR for a loop. She was about 25 years old. After 5 minutes of her consulting with another CSR from the back of the store, she went to work on her computer. Again, staring at the screen, writing things on paper, not speaking. Lunch time, and people are pouring into the mall, and lining up at the Smart store. We've gone from <10 customers when I arrived, to more than 25 now, waiting with numbers. The crew of 4 at the door is directing new customers to grab a number (does it take 4 people to do that?). I ask the CSR how long she's been with Smart."Two years sir." Really? Two years, and you don't know the answer to my second question off the top of your head? Really? (I didn't say that, I was just thinking it in my head)

20 more minutes go by, and not a single CSR has finished with a customer. Now 30+ customers waiting, a line out the door."Take a number sir!" The CSR had finally found my account, and figured out that some company was txting me an advertisement to go to their website. I had been txt back and asked them to stop txting me. Each time I returned txt, there was a p20 charge. P20? The website in the txt had the word SMART in it, similar to:

www.smart.com.ph

, or such. I assumed it was related to the Smart Buddy card. The CSR said its completely unrelated. I asked her how to stop their inbound txts, and she set the phone to stop receiving them. Nice. Whew! Only 30 minutes to figure that out!

Next, how to get unlimited internet for my visit?"Oh. Your not Filipino sir?" What. The. Fuck? Some of you have met me, and I think its safe to say that its not possible to believe that I'm pinoy (or latino) , as I'm blond / blue. No, you college-educated bimbette, I'm not pinoy. She said if you're foreinger, you must show some I'd that proves you live in phils, make an account, pay several thousand pesos each month, etc. I told her that I was only interested in paying up front for a limited time of unli internet access on the phone. Its a smart phone, it talks to wifi, bluetooth, satellites, cell towers, tethers, etc. Can I just pay 2000-3000 pesos up front and get unlimited internet for a few weeks? Consternation. She got the CSR from the back again. More discussion and looking on the computer. Now going on 45 minutes, and one of the other CSR's frees up, and goes on a break. Down to 3 total. 40 customers in line. Nobody complains.

Shortening the rest: Its been an hour, I get no answers to some of my questions. I'm ready to leave, the CSR is still looking for options on her computer, rarely speaking to me. I mention I must go now, as she has kept me there past my starvation interval. I was clean-shaven when I walked in, but now I needed a razor. She apologizes for not finding an answer for me. I swept my arm around to the waiting customers. See them hun?"Yes." Probably I should have had answers or non-answers in 5 minutes of your time. You spent 50 of 60 minutes with me staring at the computer, keeping them waiting."Yes sir." We talked briefly about the difference in timeframe for our cultures. When I mentioned how much I make in an hour (in pesos) , and told her that when I wait in line, I see that time as money lost, you should have seen the look on her face. Time=money is surely not a pinoy concept, as they have more time on their hands than they know what to do with, and not enough money for anything.

Wicked Roger
07-22-12, 23:57
Each of the 4 CSR's was glued to her computer, seeming to ignore the customer in front of her, occasionally writing something on paper.

Again, staring at the screen, writing things on paper, not speaking.

Shortening the rest: Its been an hour, I get no answers to some of my questions. I'm ready to leave, the CSR is still looking for options on her computer, rarely speaking to me. .WC1.

This is the problem, they are trained that the computer will answer your question not them. Reminds of the UK TV series "Little Britain" when the travel agent always replies to each customer "the computer says no"

Seems there is limited product knowledge just a reliance on a PC.

Frustrating and one needs lots of patience. My frustration was somewhat kept in check by looking at the cute Dell girls trying to sell laptops and looking scrumpious (really cute) and then later getting a phone number of one for next time.

Frenzy3
07-23-12, 03:05
Wc1.

They speak English but they do not understand English

See http://info.smart.com.ph/internet/mobile-internet/unli-surf/ Text unli 300 to 211 for unlimited Internet 1 week. You need to text the "setup "to 211 first some times.

Red Kilt
07-23-12, 03:21
. SNIP . and told her that when I wait in line, I see that time as money lost, you should have seen the look on her face. Time=money is surely not a pinoy concept, as they have more time on their hands than they know what to do with, and not enough money for anything.I have tried to use your excellent line WC1 several times over the past 15 years with various filipinos including high-ranked diplomatic people.

Each time I get a blank stare.

The concept of time = money is totally lost on them. There are official holidays scheduled for all manner of flimsy reasons, and another day of "work" is lost.

WestCoast1
07-23-12, 04:31
good work frenzy. sorry i didn't have a chance to catch you in cebu last month.

after seeing this webpage form frenzy, with simple instructions on how to get unli internet, one would think the multiple csr's at the mall smart store would have known how to do this, or looked it up on their website. one of the amazing examples of how what the customer wants, has nothing to do with what the provider is providing. welcome to the peens!

i ran into an american guy in cdo. he lives in northern mindanao now with his wife, for some years. he was in a coffee shop, chatting me up, and web browsing on his phone. my phone would not hit the web. i asked him how he did that, as there was no wifi in the vicinity."easy man. i just re-up every month an unlimited internet plan on my smart card for 1200." that's all he said. he didn't give me details. hence, when sitting (wasting my time) in the smart store in the mall later, i knew it could be done, and i was beginning to realize just the depth of bad service there.

not to be too critical of smart. i marched into a globe store in another mall and asked the same question. if i put a globe card in my phone, how do i get a week or a month's unlimited internet access? that caused some consternation also. two csr's spoke, then the went and fetched another csr."robert will know it." (hence, those two didn't know how). robert came out and explained the same thing the smart lady had said, about having my permanent residence i'd, applying for an account, paying ahead of time on the account each month, and so on. no robert, i want to get an unli plan just by paying some pesos up front, without making any application, and similar to your unlimited txt plans. the blank stare.

obviously with frenzy's simple instructions, it makes the globe and smart csr's look even dumber. as an employer, i just can't imagine paying csr's to sit 50 of 60 working minutes and stare at a computer? yet, if you watch them, they do a lot of that. i guess i should ***** about something else now.

Hatguy
07-23-12, 06:01
The Philippines has slow and notoriously bad service. In Japan, people pretend to take care of the customers but it is a WE don't / YOU can't mentality when pushed. I also found the same thing in Taiwan. Its all the same in SE ASIA!

BionicMan
07-23-12, 08:17
Good work Frenzy. As an employer, I just can't imagine paying CSR's to sit 50 of 60 working minutes and stare at a computer? Yet, if you watch them, they do a lot of that. I guess I should ***** about something else now.Who knows. Maybe some of them are just chatting on DIA trying to hook up with someone! LOL

John Traveller
07-23-12, 15:25
I go to MBC, aka LA Cafe in Ermita. It's Sunday, that means few people, or what? No, the ground floor is packed! Upstairs its almost empty though (11pm). Probably because you have to pay 100 in cc to get in there. Now, I'm not that fond of freelancer places so I have no expectations, I just come to have a look. But the place is ok, a large bar where you can chat with the other customers, and lots of girls of all kinds. And that's exactly the problem, too many of them are absolutely not attractive at all, and those are the most near-going, constantly pestering. After a while they give up. This place would be a lot better if they had some door policy to keep the riff-raff out. There are a few good-looking girls in between, maybe I should have taken one of them out, but as said before, I am a bit sceptical to freelancers. So I go back in taxi alone. The driver refuse to put on the meter saying he wants 400 peso. I insist that he use the meter, and so he puts it on."But 50 extra, because now we already have started!" I say "ok" and it costs me 150 in total.

John Traveller
07-23-12, 15:38
Bad Taxi
Today I had a bad taxi driver experience. It happened like this: I need to go from my hotel to the airport and hail a taxi in the street. "Im going to the airport, terminal 2, Cebu Pacific" I say. Then I ask him to put on the meter. He refuses: "No, to the airport its 400 pesos". Oh no, it's one of the 400-guys again, I think to myself. I get irritated and open the taxi door and say at the same time: "Use the meter please, or I will leave the taxi!" He then starts the meter. Arriving at the airport the meter shows 106. I give him 110. "No, its 210" he says. I point to the meter: "It says 106". He accepts it, but looks annoyed. I walk towards the terminal and discover its the wrong one! I have mixed up the numbers: Cebu Pacific is at T3, not T2. I am quite sure the driver knew that. So I have to take another taxi and I am almost to late for my flight. I have to jump the security check line outside the entrance by explaining that I'm am very late . So watch out for the taxi drivers in this city!

WantitBadly
07-23-12, 16:44
Was in manila for work, staying at a hotel in makati, the city garden. When I came back from work I saw a few street hookers. Was interested but I had to ditch my boss first. After I ditch my boss, I went down looking for the same ones I saw 2 hrs earlier but to no avail. Then after scouting for an hour an a half I worked up the courage to talk to his girl on the street who was showing cleavage. I figured she must be a WG. So I made a little conversation and found out her name was Shine. There was an odd sight around there, where I saw regular looking girls in factory uniforms, some were really pretty and petite. I aksed shine if they were WGs too. She said yes. The factory uniform were not sexy at all, but imagine if a girl can still look great in them, then they must be real lookers. But since I already chatted up shine, I decide to go with her. She wanted P1500 for 3 hours. I asked If i can shoot how many times I want in that time? She said we go up and discuss. Then I told her I must go up first and she come to my room later. She tells me that I must tell her my name and room number otherwise the hotel staff won't let her in. So I decide to just take her in with me, even though I was afraid my boss would see me. The concierge guy must have taken some notes or something. I will explain why I said that later. In the room, she took of her clothes and I wasnt impressed at all. Her skin was dark and flabby. Not that I mind if her GFE was good. But it wasnt. After washing up we went on the bed and she watched TV. Then the nego started. She said if I wanted 2 times I had to pay 2000. Otherwise 1500 for 1 time only. If I take 2 times shot, I get a "discount". To cut along story short, this was pissing me off and turning me off too. So I decide to go for one shot only. Tried to tickle her clit but she complained it was painful. Yeah right. Then she BBBJ me a little here and there and when I tried to kiss her she made all sorts of excuses, eventough I said I wasnt going to FK her. Its obvious she wasnt enjoying this job at all. I asked her to cap me, and in my mind I just wanted her to go. So I fucked her cowgirl style. She wouldn't let me push my dick in all the way, and when I did she "complained" it was painful. Basically I grounded her till I came and sent her off. I wanted to pay her 2000 and asked for 500 back but she insisted I paid her 2000. I said no way for such lousy service, and luckliy managed to scrounge up P500, to make it P1500. the other thing is guys, if the WG does not want to turn the lights on, that means she doesnt want you to see something. so better be careful. i washed my nether regions a few times just to be as safe as possible.I told her you should not do this job at all, and sent her off. I double checked my belongings and they were all there. The worst is yet to come. A few minutes later I get a phone call. Fearing it was my boss, I picked it up and, it was the reception. A nice female voice told me,"sir your guest is leaving". Whammy I said yeah I know. Was it neccesary for them to tell me that. You see there was this cute girl at the reception and she looks liked she liked me from eye contact I got. I don't know if she was the one who called, but if she was the one, then I practically ruined any chance to go out with her. Bloody hell. Looks like the hotel was keeping tabs on any "guests" I bring, eventhough I did not announce it. How embarassing. Thats it no more mongering for me for a while. I had enough.

D Cups
07-23-12, 17:21
A few minutes later I get a phone call. A nice female voice told me,"sir your guest is leaving". Whammy I said yeah I know. Was it neccesary for them to tell me that. Thats it no more mongering for me for a while. I had enough.WiB, the phone call from reception is probably hotel policy and a good one at that because you don't want some hooker taking off after ripping off your wallet or other valuables. If you want it badly enough you will try again. Don't let this one ruin your fun.

JPF
07-23-12, 19:56
after seeing this webpage form frenzy, with simple instructions on how to get unli internet, one would think the multiple csr's at the mall smart store would have known how to do this, or looked it up on their website. one of the amazing examples of how what the customer wants, has nothing to do with what the provider is providing. welcome to the peens!i was lucky enough to meet frenzy in the smart store and he told me how to get data on my android phone. he knew much more than the csr. note: besides the text message you have to set the apn if you have an android phone. you can google it to see what is needed for smart, globe, etc.

JPF
07-23-12, 20:01
A few minutes later I get a phone call. Fearing it was my boss, I picked it up and, it was the reception. A nice female voice told me,"sir your guest is leaving". Whammy I said yeah I know. Was it neccesary for them to tell me that.They are doing this for our protection and I appreciate it very much. If you had found something missing when you checked your possessions (or if someone runs out with your money while you are in the bathroom) they would recover them from her before letting her go. Since the girls know the routine this prevents them from stealing in the first place.

WestCoast1
07-23-12, 20:50
Then after scouting for an hour an a half I worked up the courage to talk to his girl on the street who was showing cleavage. I figured she must be a WG. So I made a little conversation and found out her name was Shine. There was an odd sight around there, where I saw regular looking girls in factory uniforms, some were really pretty and petite. I aksed shine if they were WGs too. She said yes.

Snip!

Bloody hell. Looks like the hotel was keeping tabs on any "guests" I bring, eventhough I did not announce it. How embarassing. Thats it no more mongering for me for a while. I had enough.You are a senior board member? Yet, you seem to have made just about every newb mistake possible. First time in pinas? Quite possibly you should have RTTF and PM'd a few of the regulars here before your maiden trip.

JPF is correct: the hotel door security guys are there for a reason. Assume for a moment that you take the girl up to your room. She slips a drug into your drink in your room. She robs you blind, and carves her boyfriend's initials into your forehead with a knife. Then, she waltzes out the front door, smiling at the security guys, who let her walk away. You want them to let her walk away without checking with you? The security guy IS taking notes: you, your room number, and the girl; in case his shift changes the next security guys will have that info if the girl tries to depart without you being present. You are supposed to:

1. Walk her out yourself, so they know you are OK, or.

2. If you are too tired or don't want to walk her out, you call the front desk, identify yourself ("this is room 403, please let my lady leave") , or.

3. Wait for the security guy or the front desk to call you in your room when she leaves to confirm that you are OK.

Can't believe we are explaining this to an experienced member, then I checked your previous posts: the all look like they are from another country. Even senior board members can be newbs. A few more "no-no's", in any country:

1. She was right to get your name / room number if you want her to come later. She must tell the security guy at the door this information, or they will not allow her into the hotel. They will also take her I'd at the door, and only give it back when she leaves and they confirm that you are ok (see above). You are in the middle of Makati's hooker-central, you want them to let just anyone into the hotel? Your other choice is to walk her into the hotel with you, as you did.

2. There is a time for negotiations, and and there is a separate time for play. The two shall not meet. If a girl wants to negotiate after the pants come off, stop, give her nothing (except jeep money if she traveled) , and boot her. She took off her clothes first, THEN she started negotiating? You have allowed the two items mentioned previously to meet. You can boot her. Or you can turn this to your advantage: "Oh. Saggy boobs. Didn't see that on the street. Baby tummy also. Um. 1200 total. Also condom (nor none) , all positions, and pictures (or other items you want).2 pops. If you don't make me think that I'm your boyfriend, less even. Take it or I can walk you down to the street hun."

You agreed in advance to 1500/2000 depending on the number of shots. Pay her the 1500 as she did one (crappy) shot. You can't reduce the amount unless she failed to so something you agreed upon. Blame yourself for not asking for GFE during the negotiations.


The worst is yet to come. A few minutes later I get a phone call. Fearing it was my boss, I picked it up and, it was the reception. A nice female voice told me,"sir your guest is leaving". Whammy I said yeah I know. Was it neccesary for them to tell me that. You see there was this cute girl at the reception and she looks liked she liked me from eye contact I got. I don't know if she was the one who called, but if she was the one, then I practically ruined any chance to go out with her. Bloody hell. Looks like the hotel was keeping tabs on any "guests" I bring, eventhough I did not announce it. How embarassing.You have little or no chance of dating the receptionist. They see 40 guys a day go in with hookers. She watched you do it too. You think she wants to date any of the hotel guests? Jesus de Christo. Also, her employer does not allow her to date guests. Even if she had an online overseas bf visit (or her pinoy bf), she would not let him get a room in her employment hotel and stay with him.


Thats it no more mongering for me for a while. I had enough.One mildly bad experience has ruined the game for you? Get in line!

Member #4698
07-23-12, 21:40
Thats it no more mongering for me for a while. I had enough.I think you should change your name to IHadEnough or Don'tReallyWantIt. Sorry, I could not resist. Your post was kind of funny in a weird, off-putting way. But yeah, some guys are not cut out for this physical sport of ours.

Mistake #1: If travelling with a wife, girlfriend, or business associates that you know would not approve of your extracurricular activities then either abstain or take the girl to a short time hotel where you will not be seen and you will not worry about being seen.

Mistake #2: You should have picked up a FL girl in one of the high end hotel clubs like the Shangri La or Intercontinental, Havana Cafe or taken a regualr girl from a Burgos Street Bar. In some Burgos Bars, you can have the girl or girls on premises. There is higher quality assurance with these venues than with a FL on the street, although no girl is guaranteed unless you have had her before.

Mistake #3: (WC is right) When a girl tries to change the terms of the agreement up in the hotel room, shame on her. It is time to abort the arrangement unless she agrees immediately to the original deal. Kick her out. It is a real tell.

I think this last mistake violates rule #3 or #4 in the Mongers International handbook. I will have to look it up.

WantitBadly
07-24-12, 00:51
To all the guys who took the time to respond, thank you for your advice. Yes it was my mistake. But if you read my posts before, I have always went to MPs or brothels in Malaysia, and it was always a better experience most of the time. I have never brought any girls back to the hotel before. I should have ended it right there in bed when she asked for nego while she was naked.

Yes westcoast1, I realized a little later last night that the hotel was just doing their job to avoid unnecassary complications. Its just when I posted it last night, my head wasnt straight yet. this experience has ruined my mood for mongering here. But anyway its best i dont do it at the hotel i am staying at.

Again guys, thanks for knocking me to my senses. Just take it as a lesson for everyone, especially newbies. Just becuase they seem nice in negotiation doesn't mean they will be nice in bed.

Jp Slicky
07-24-12, 00:52
I too welcome the call from downstairs. Also, I really do not think they will tell your boss. If you still are scared, then slip the person calling up to you some peso.

If you are worried about your valuables and money, that is what the safe is there for. Don't carry anything you don't need on to the streets. I even have the money I am going to pay ready to go inside the safe. I have no more on me than what I am prepared to lose. Once everything of yours is inside that safe, you keep control of the situation. I got faked out by a lady boy in Cebu, and when I told it to get out, it resisted, but I keep control with the gold in the safe and would not open under any circumstances, and yes the call down stairs helped too. They have no interest in taking your toothbrush.

If the hotel does not have a in-room safe, its not likely I would stay there. IF they don't have even a safety deposit box, I definately do not stay there.

FreebieFan
07-24-12, 02:10
" Pasay and Manila have handed over the title of 'Sin City' to Makati City.

Burgos Street in Makati is the city's red light district.

Every night, the place comes alive as a row of bars with girls as young as 15 years old lure passing foreign tourists to their joints in the guise of offering them rounds of beer.

There are also striptease joints which locals avoid because the women are only for foreigners who go for 'exotic' beauties.

Hotels that receive short-time occupancy have sprouted on Burgos and nearby streets to receive one-night-only lovers.

I wonder why Mayor Junjun Binay allows prostitution to flourish in his city."

Copied from Todays Inquirer. Now before we all malign Mon Tulfo, (the reporter) remember he always travels with some very big bodyguards and he and his brothers arent exactly known as angels. This guy lives in Manila so maybe he hasnt been in Makati for many years, or maybe one night his car drove through PBurgos and he was shocked by what he saw. One thing, if there are 15 years olds on the street, whats the Barangay officials who are always hanging around the street doing about it? Opps, thats a much difficult a question to answer. Sad assed reporting Mon.

And of course the mayors of the other cities in Metro Manila don't allow prostitution right. Nothing bad goes on in Pasay, nor Quezon, nor Pasig, nor Taguig. No, its a city of good law abiding citizens, who wouldn't dream of selling sex. LOL.

Frenzy3
07-24-12, 04:45
I was lucky enough to meet Frenzy in the SMART store and he told me how to get data on my Android phone. He knew much more than the CSR. Note: besides the text message you have to set the APN if you have an Android phone. You can google it to see what is needed for SMART, Globe, etc.Some phone do pick up the apn automatically, as for CSR the reason for the wait time is companies have trouble getting reliable staff and then training them When you visit here you need to get use to staff having no idea. That why between the forums and expats, post and ask what ever you need as it a 3rd world country and you find out what that means when you need information or help.

I actually have the locals come and ask me stuff, and I get suprized how little the locals know about their home town. I suppose living here all their life they just accept it is how it is. Where as I alway ask why.

WestCoast1
07-24-12, 05:11
Yes westcoast1, I realized a little later last night that the hotel was just doing their job to avoid unnecassary complications. Its just when I posted it last night, my head wasnt straight yet. This experience has ruined my mood for mongering here. But anyway its best I don't do it at the hotel I am staying at.

Again guys, thanks for knocking me to my senses. Just take it as a lesson for everyone, especially newbies. Just becuase they seem nice in negotiation doesn't mean they will be nice in bed.You RTTF and learn the rules, and mostly (mostly) things go fine. In fact, the filipina is about the most GFE and pleasant critter you'll run into. Next time, bring your camera.

Starchild2012
07-24-12, 10:29
jpf is correct: the hotel door security guys are there for a reason. assume for a moment that you take the girl up to your room. she slips a drug into your drink in your room. she robs you blind, and carves her boyfriend's initials into your forehead with a knife. then, she waltzes out the front door, smiling at the security guys, who let her walk away. you want them to let her walk away without checking with you? the security guy is taking notes: you, your room number, and the girl; in case his shift changes the next security guys will have that info if the girl tries to depart without you being present. you are supposed to:

1. walk her out yourself, so they know you are ok, or.

2. if you are too tired or don't want to walk her out, you call the front desk, identify yourself ("this is room 403, please let my lady leave") , or.

3. wait for the security guy or the front desk to call you in your room when she leaves to confirm that you are ok.

can't believe we are explaining this to an experienced member, then i checked your previous posts: the all look like they are from another country. even senior board members can be newbs. a few more "no-no's", in any country:

1. she was right to get your name / room number if you want her to come later. she must tell the security guy at the door this information, or they will not allow her into the hotel. they will also take her i'd at the door, and only give it back when she leaves and they confirm that you are ok (see above). you are in the middle of makati's hooker-central, you want them to let just anyone into the hotel? your other choice is to walk her into the hotel with you, as you did.excellent points, if only most hotels in pattaya / bangkok followed this, the number of murders & robbery of tourist would be reduced to half in a day. in pattaya, they just take the i'd but never call back in to check if the person is ok. i felt safe with girls in my room knowing the security has my back but in pattaya i always have to worry about what if i go to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) and she slips in the drug or calls her bf etc etc.

the girls also knows, she can't pull a fast number on a drunk monger, knowing the security will call back and check.

X Man
07-24-12, 15:32
F3 makes a good point. Let me add. It's fairly common for visitors or tourists to come to a place with some specific knowledge that locals don't know or don't remember. And I'm not talking about only Philippines. I'd also say that most Asian culures tend to shy away from questions using the "why" word. It seems that "why" suggests some disapproval. Maybe similar to an English "what the fk are you doing", in which case we can see what you are doing but. Why would you do it?

Then throw in the typical risk-taking, inquisitive, world traveler (the typical ISG poster) and you get culture clash. Ah, life is interesting. X.


SNIP.

I actually have the locals come and ask me stuff, and I get suprized how little the locals know about their home town. I suppose living here all their life they just accept it is how it is. Where as I alway ask why.

Lopkx
07-25-12, 00:18
I come back excited to read updates on the forum after being away for a couple months and I see it is full of bullshit about which race filipinas want. Who gives a sh*t. Majority of the woman you are dealing with have low or no educations and are mostly working girls. And the point is? Let's get back to providing intel and where the p*ssy is located. If you want to know what race they really prefer, they prefer GREEN or any color your currency comes in as long as they can have as much of it as possible so they can spend it on stupid stuff, family, and their loving Filipino boyfriend who pimps them out. Period. Why get offend about some dumb b*tch with no education who has an opinion. LOL!

FreebieFan
07-25-12, 01:47
Wow. Nothing like offering your own opinion and assuming that you speak for all. We got a few other folk here who assume they are also experts. You will all get on well together. Many many errors in what you say, and sounds like you don't know the country that well.

Level of education / all being working girls / all having a money fixation / all having a Pinoy BF. You made 4 points, and got all 4 wrong. Then again, you know best right.

Lopkx
07-25-12, 05:58
Wow. Nothing like offering your own opinion and assuming that you speak for all. We got a few other folk here who assume they are also experts. You will all get on well together. Many many errors in what you say, and sounds like you don't know the country that well.

Level of education / all being working girls / all having a money fixation / all having a Pinoy BF. You made 4 points, and got all 4 wrong. Then again, you know best right.I am being sarcastic. Stop wasting words and get back to the point of the forum. If I want to hear political views, cultural norms, etc I don't go to a f*cking sex forum. I come here to here about p*ssy not man b*tching.

WestCoast1
07-25-12, 07:35
I am being sarcastic. Stop wasting words and get back to the point of the forum. If I want to hear political views, cultural norms, etc I don't go to a f*cking sex forum. I come here to here about p*ssy not man b*tching.It's the Manila thread. We tend to talk about whatever we want. But I see what you're saying. Having said all that, where is your field report? If you are bitchin' about the lack of recent FR's, and you don't post one, are you guilty also?

Cunning Stunt
07-25-12, 07:39
I come here to here about p*ssy not man b*tching.Exactly WC. If you don't come here to hear 'man b*tching', why b*tch about it? Tell us about your latest Pinay pussy.

GoodEnough
07-25-12, 12:48
Sitting here in Greenbelt 2 at NuVo, which used to be a nice quiet place, where you could sit outside, observe the teeming hordes, have a decent bottle of red and eat some reasonable food. Tonight I find that the place has added an outdoor band to compete with the noise of piped in and live music from other places, a TV playing right alongside the band, a reduced (and lousy) wine list and fiarly inattentive, indifferent service. The only thing that hasn't declined is the prices. If I didn't have to meet some folks for dinner I'd flee. Once again, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, which seems a particularly Filipino trait.

GE

Slippery
07-25-12, 14:23
Seems as if they have to have music to crap up any otherwse peaceful and civilized occasion. And its not just music. Its noise that you can't carry on a conversation over at dinner. My rationale is that music at least provides some employment to pinoys who would otherwise be chronically unemployed. My general rule is that if I see a band setting up, I either leave or don't go there. If there's a band or occasion in the common area of a mall, it turns into an even bigger living hell.

Sorry if I may have digressed from the price of poontang.

Wicked Roger
07-25-12, 16:20
Exactly WC. If you don't come here to hear 'man b*tching', why b*tch about it? Tell us about your latest Pinay pussy.He can't CS as he has no clue, no respect for the ladies who are more clever than he thinks (as he likely comes across as an arrogant piece of crap) and can't take photos either.

Old posts suggest he trolls in Latin America etc and like to be a prat there as well.

And is a man ***** maybe as he is a ***** for a man? Who know who cares but for those non white mongers the FRs could be useful as I have seen similar experience and recently 2 girls with me used the N word when they saw a guy (not degrogatory but just as though was common and said never go non white. So there is some relevance)

So IMHO he should post relevant FRs or go back to hole from where he crawled out LOL

WestCoast1
07-25-12, 17:16
And is a man ***** maybe as he is a ***** for a man? Who know who cares but for those non white mongers the FRs could be useful as I have seen similar experience and recently 2 girls with me used the N word when they saw a guy (not degrogatory but just as though was common and said never go non white. So there is some relevance)Interesting. While we are off the topic of poon again, I had forgotten (when we were discussing the "N" word recently) that two girls used it around me recently, regarding black men. One was a gal in G-Point. I had her on my last visit, and upon sitting in the bar one night recently, she saw me and came running over. She pointed out a black guy sitting in the bar (because she felt previously mistreated by him moneywise). What was interesting is that in chat, after she knew I had seen him ("you mean that black guy in the blue shirt?") , she pointed out,"He's nigger." Like I would not have known that about the very dark-skinned man.

Gal #2 was in the mindanao province two weeks prior to that. Interesting case. Chatmate. A buddy who knows my preferences was her chatmate, and he gave her my YM. In chat, she's a bit older and chubbier than I like. She also said she had an american bf, and that she knew another girl there who would like to spend some evening time with me. Great. When I get there I meet the two of them and we go out for drinks and some karaoke. The girl whips out her phone and shows me two pics of her (very dark-skinned) boyfriend from Cleveland. We talk about cleveland for a minute, and she points to his pic and says,"He's nigger." Again, like the case above, like I would not know that he was a black guy. He is coming to visit her in October. I had to explain to both girls, that when he came here, it might not be a good idea to use that word, to maybe use the word 'black' if they had to mention color at all. Interesting the cultural difference, they were not aware of the slur aspect of one word and not the other. Another interesting aspect to the girl. After pointing out the bf, and offering up her friend for the night ("you help her") , all of which was fine, she asked why I didn't want her, was it because she was fat? I demured and told her that I never said I didn't want her, that she was the one who brought up her weight. She said "Oh ya huh." Later, she was willing to come to the hotel and take pics of me and her friend in action (sweet) , and she asked if I would take some nawty pics of her posing on the bed. I asked if that might make her bf from cleveland mad. Her reply: "He is not here yet!" Gottaluvapilipina!

Lopkx
07-25-12, 19:36
He can't CS as he has no clue, no respect for the ladies who are more clever than he thinks (as he likely comes across as an arrogant piece of crap) and can't take photos either.

Old posts suggest he trolls in Latin America etc and like to be a prat there as well.

And is a man * maybe as he is a * for a man? Who know who cares but for those non white mongers the FRs could be useful as I have seen similar experience and recently 2 girls with me used the N word when they saw a guy (not degrogatory but just as though was common and said never go non white. So there is some relevance)

So IMHO he should post relevant FRs or go back to hole from where he crawled out LOLToo funny! I see you too stupid to get my point.

CondiMan
07-25-12, 20:51
Fully agree here. Spent 4 nights at a hotel on Makati Avenue last month on a business trip, different girls each night. I was woken up early by a call one night rom the reception (was pissed drunk the night before and it was a steamy night with someone I had picked from 7*11) to enquire if it was fine for my guest to leave. Put out my hand to grab my watch for the time. But it was not there! I panicked and said that I am coming downstairs. Grabbed my jeans, and into the elevator. Reached the reception and saw the girl on the desk holding my watch. She had also retrieved one of my debit cards (she didn't know it required a pin!) said 'yr name is on it'. I let the girl go, did not want to file a case and admit to having spent the night in her company in the charge sheet, a copy of which I am sure would have been sent to my home.

Thanks to the drill that hotels follows, saved almost $5k.


I too welcome the call from downstairs. Also, I really do not think they will tell your boss. If you still are scared, then slip the person calling up to you some peso.

If you are worried about your valuables and money, that is what the safe is there for. Don't carry anything you don't need on to the streets. I even have the money I am going to pay ready to go inside the safe. I have no more on me than what I am prepared to lose. Once everything of yours is inside that safe, you keep control of the situation. I got faked out by a lady boy in Cebu, and when I told it to get out, it resisted, but I keep control with the gold in the safe and would not open under any circumstances, and yes the call down stairs helped too. They have no interest in taking your toothbrush.

If the hotel does not have a in-room safe, its not likely I would stay there. IF they don't have even a safety deposit box, I definately do not stay there.

Willa1
07-26-12, 00:12
Hi. Planning on being in Manila arriving Aug 22, departing Aug 25th. Have to work on Thursday & Friday morning. But will have Friday eventing free. I know that th previous weekend is ethe end of Ramandan & Monday the 27th is Freedom day. Will Friday night be OK for MBC? Got a great rate at the Diamond Hotel close to MBC & Havana. Just want to make sure I can play Friday night. Either respond directly or PM me. Thanks for the help.

I will post a trip report. And can help if anyone is going to Europe or to Shanghai or Bejing.

Thanks for the help!

Will

FreebieFan
07-26-12, 01:46
I am being sarcastic. Stop wasting words and get back to the point of the forum. If I want to hear political views, cultural norms, etc I don't go to a f*cking sex forum. I come here to here about p*ssy not man b*tching.Small suggestion to you Sir. Go is the first word and off is the last. Or better yet, go start you own forum.

You can take some of the recently minted idiots who seem to be appearing here with you.

As WC says, we talk about what we want. Many of us have been here for many years and will continue to be here for many years, mongering and having discussions about a great many subjects, united in the fact that we all chase and report about Filipina pussy. And yes we do report, thats why we all have so many posts.

So run along, and come back when you are all grown up.

Slippery
07-26-12, 01:52
[QUOTE=Lopkx; 1308177]Too funny! I see you too stupid to get my point. [/QUOTE.

Would somebody kindly exercise some contol over LPX?

John Traveller
07-28-12, 10:18
I have posted here many times about the generic version of Sildenifil called Andros.

Ask for the box of 100 mg tabs and break them in half.

50 mg should be plenty.

Freely available over the counter at Mercury Drug in Ortigas in both Shangrila Mall and Robinson's Galleria branches; not available in Watson's. The Mercury in St Francis' tiangge at back of Megamall will not sell it without a prescription.

Different stores have different policies even though they are all Mercury Drug. They are run by different franchisees, so they can have different rules.Thanks for the info. I went to Mercury in Shangri-La Mall, Ortigas and asked for Sildenafil."You need a prescription" the woman said (as usual)."Yes I have but I forgot it"."You must have prescription"."I forgot it at home". She then goes to ask her superior and then comes back: "How many milligrams, sir?" First she wants to sell me the original for 685, I ask for the generic, and get Andros for 285 (50mg).

Going in taxi back to Makati some kids surround the car while in a traffic jam. Looking through the window they shout something which I do not think was "welcome". But they do not try to open the doors.

Red Kilt
07-28-12, 10:28
Thanks for the info. I went to Mercury in Shangri-La Mall, Ortigas and asked for Sildenafil."You need a prescription" the woman said (as usual)."Yes I have but I forgot it"."You must have prescription"."I forgot it at home". She then goes to ask her superior and then comes back: "How many milligrams, sir?" First she wants to sell me the original for 685, I ask for the generic, and get Andros for 285 (50mg).Why didn't you just ask for Andros 100 mg and be done with it like I advised in my post?

Same price, and you bite the 100mg in half.

I get mine at same store.

Just ask for a box of Andros 100mg.

5 tabs; about 1600 php and equivalent to 10 tabs of 50 mg or around 160 php for a 50 mg shot.

If you saw my post and ignored advice from an expat who has lived here for 15 years then you have thrown good cash away.

Tally Wacker
07-28-12, 20:52
Did not happen in the Philippines but I guess it could and does.

"They pretended to be females, hanging around bars or other places to lure males, and offered them drinks or snacks in which they put anaesthetic drugs. Once the males became unconscious they took all money from them."

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9aa_1343498278


Fully agree here. Spent 4 nights at a hotel on Makati Avenue last month on a business trip, different girls each night. I was woken up early by a call one night rom the reception (was pissed drunk the night before and it was a steamy night with someone I had picked from 7*11) to enquire if it was fine for my guest to leave. Put out my hand to grab my watch for the time. But it was not there! I panicked and said that I am coming downstairs. Grabbed my jeans, and into the elevator. Reached the reception and saw the girl on the desk holding my watch. She had also retrieved one of my debit cards (she didn't know it required a pin!) said 'yr name is on it'. I let the girl go, did not want to file a case and admit to having spent the night in her company in the charge sheet, a copy of which I am sure would have been sent to my home.

Thanks to the drill that hotels follows, saved almost $5k.

Starchild2012
07-29-12, 04:48
Why didn't you just ask for Andros 100 mg and be done with it like I advised in my post?

Same price, and you bite the 100mg in half.

I get mine at same store.

Just ask for a box of Andros 100mg.

5 tabs; about 1600 php and equivalent to 10 tabs of 50 mg or around 160 php for a 50 mg shot.

If you saw my post and ignored advice from an expat who has lived here for 15 years then you have thrown good cash away.Wow, The gap has closed considerably from Indian generic drugs like Kamagra, forzest who dominated the generic scene for sometime, but still the price seem higher. I get 140 PHP. 4 sidinefil tabs. 20 mg, that would mean 100 mg would cost around 175 PHP. Five 100 mg tabs would be 875 PHP. Still half the price sold from andros.

I think abdros is manufactured in the PH Biomedis, Inc, not sure if its a distributor, however, they do have. 25 mg tabs as well it seems.

http://www.thefilipinodoctor.com/search-drug-details.php?id=20050950

If they allowed Indian generic drugs into the PH, the price would come down further. Not sure how the quality is.

Red Kilt
07-29-12, 05:33
Wow, The gap has closed considerably from Indian generic drugs like Kamagra, forzest who dominated the generic scene for sometime, but still the price seem higher. I get 140 PHP. 4 sidinefil tabs. 20 mg, that would mean 100 mg would cost around 175 PHP. Five 100 mg tabs would be 875 PHP. Still half the price sold from andros.You still have to order the generics from an internet distributor, and that means running the gauntlet of the corrupt Philippines mail system.

A friend of mine has lost 2 packs of generic sildenifil in transit, and it has been tracked to the Philippines where it disappeared.

At least with Andros you are getting a packaged product over the counter and properly marketed under controlled conditions. I feel more confident that it contains what it is supposed to contain instead of loading my body with pills bought on Burgos etc that have dubious origin. I am concerned more with the long-term effects of any other material included in the tabs that might be a trigger for some pretty nasty side effects.

John Traveller
07-29-12, 18:18
After I found out that EDSA and especially Burgos is too expensive, I decide to give MBC / LA Cafe another try. Last time I went there was a Sunday, today it's Saturday so maybe it's better now. And yes, it turns out to be one of my best experiences. The story goes like this:

I get to the cafe at 11, Saturday night. The ground floor is packed, upstairs there are some people, but it looks boring (150 cc, a band is playing). So I decide to stay downstairs, the quality of the girls is much better now compared to my last visit. When I first arrive a waitress ask me if I want sit, I reply "yes", and she finds me a seat by the bar. That is: she tells a girl sitting there to get up to make a seat. I sit down, order a beer, take a look to the left, and. What good luck! An absolutely gorgeous girl is sitting there! We begin to talk, she and her friend are really a lot of fun. They joke that I should take both of them home, garanteeing a nice time for me! She is not pushy, but relaxed, something I like. In fact: she tells me later that she don't like to walk around and "push" the men. But rather wait for them to approach her. Yes, she has that seldom combination of being both classy and friendly. (She also warns me that some girls steal stuff in the hotel room, something I experienced myself the night before.)

I suggest the price 2500, something she agrees to for four hours (then she has to go home). We go to my hotel, I set the air-con to max, and its' needed: She's fantastic, we have two sessions. Also, I get to try the super-thin plastic. 02 condoms I bought in Japan, and I must say I am satiesfied with them. Not a big difference from ordinary ones, but there is somewhat more natural feeling using them. The next evening she comes to my hotel, fantastic again. Now she suggests that I should try her friend too, and make a threesome tomorrow."You need to try", she says. I met her friend at the cafe, she's really sweet (big boobies!) So now I'm thinking about saying yes.

So I need to change my opinion on freelancers, they can really be the best. And not necessarily more risky than gogo-bar girls. Rather, for the last days it has been the opposite for me. You just have to look around and use some time and effort to find one that suits you, plus have a bit of good luck!

IFRpilot99
07-29-12, 23:11
Was in manila for work, staying at a hotel in makati, the city garden. When I came back from work I saw a few street hookers. Was interested but I had to ditch my boss first. After I ditch my boss, I went down looking for the same ones I saw 2 hrs earlier but to no avail.When you do decide to manger again, here's a word of advice. Avoid street girls in the Burgos area, and any 'red light' area of the PI in general.

There's an abundance of FL opportunities here. Street carries the largest risk for problems.

IFRpilot99
07-29-12, 23:31
. When I mentioned how much I make in an hour (in pesos) , and told her that when I wait in line, I see that time as money lost, you should have seen the look on her face. Time=money is surely not a pinoy concept, as they have more time on their hands than they know what to do with, and not enough money for anything.It doesn't relate here culturally because they are rarely pushed for time efficiency in that type of situation. One big reason for it is people who do things for themselves here either have a lot of time and / or don't dare complain because they are used to it. On the other hand people whose time is worth money send one of their people (driver, maid, secretary whatever) to do that kind of thing. This includes: banking, paying bills, figuring out why something doesn't work right etc.

Starchild2012
07-30-12, 03:50
You still have to order the generics from an internet distributor, and that means running the gauntlet of the corrupt Philippines mail system.

A friend of mine has lost 2 packs of generic sildenifil in transit, and it has been tracked to the Philippines where it disappeared.

At least with Andros you are getting a packaged product over the counter and properly marketed under controlled conditions. I feel more confident that it contains what it is supposed to contain instead of loading my body with pills bought on Burgos etc that have dubious origin. I am concerned more with the long-term effects of any other material included in the tabs that might be a trigger for some pretty nasty side effects.Agree, a very good deal compare to last few years when it was almost impossible to get any generic drugs in the PH. I think it would only improve in coming years and price would come down, if one more competition comes along

Tally Wacker
07-30-12, 04:21
thought i would add this report regarding driving in the philippines. i had a rental car and i was returning to makati area during a rain storm and heavy traffic. i was driving towards edsa and looking for the turn off for makati area. signs and exits are not marked very well and it was 5 lanes of free for all traffic. i was in a turn lane and decided to move to the other lane and continue straight.

there were 2 cops standing in that area and waived me over with their flashlights. i stopped. as soon as they approached my car and saw my white face their eyes lit up immediately. they both were at the window of my car explaining how i made an incorrect lane change and were asking me where i am going and where am i from and bla bla bla. it was obvious they were looking for a handout. my patience level was maxed out from driving in the traffic but i tried to hold my calm. i explained that i was trying to avoid an accident because someone cut me off and that is why i moved lanes. i suggested they give me a warning and let me continue since i was not from there.

no sir you are in the philippines and you have made a driving infraction and we will need to issue you a ticket and confirep001e your driver's license until it's paid. wtf? they had my driver's license in their hands at this point. i just wanted to get to my destination. i only had about 500p on me since i left what was in my pocket with my gf. i asked the police if i could just pay the ticket now.

their response was ah ok sir it will be 2500p if you want to pay it now. i did not have it plus i was pissed off. i said to them fuck it just give me the ticket and take my license. my license needed to be renewed anyways and i told them that and i could get a new license when returned to usa. they looked at me very confused. sir are you sure you want you license confirep001ed? yes sure just take it i don't care i said.

they went to the back of the car and talked for a minute then came back and said oh sir we will let you go now. there are cameras here and we would never take your money in the street as we don't want any trouble. i took my license back and told them they are free to go now. they said ok thank you sir.

Jp Slicky
07-30-12, 09:07
Catching you making that questionable turn was like dangling a donut in front of a cop from the USA.

Mc Don
07-30-12, 09:26
thought i would add this report regarding driving in the philippines. i had a rental car and i was returning to makati area during a rain storm and heavy traffic. i was driving towards edsa and looking for the turn off for makati area. signs and exits are not marked very well and it was 5 lanes of free for all traffic. i was in a turn lane and decided to move to the other lane and continue straight.

there were 2 cops standing in that area and waived me over with their flashlights. i stopped. as soon as they approached my car and saw my white face their eyes lit up immediately. they both were at the window of my car explaining how i made an incorrect lane change and were asking me where i am going and where am i from and bla bla bla. it was obvious they were looking for a handout. my patience level was maxed out from driving in the traffic but i tried to hold my calm. i explained that i was trying to avoid an accident because someone cut me off and that is why i moved lanes. i suggested they give me a warning and let me continue since i was not from there.

no sir you are in the philippines and you have made a driving infraction and we will need to issue you a ticket and confirep001e your driver's license until it's paid. wtf? they had my driver's license in their hands at this point. i just wanted to get to my destination. i only had about 500p on me since i left what was in my pocket with my gf. i asked the police if i could just pay the ticket now.

their response was ah ok sir it will be 2500p if you want to pay it now. i did not have it plus i was pissed off. i said to them fuck it just give me the ticket and take my license. my license needed to be renewed anyways and i told them that and i could get a new license when returned to usa. they looked at me very confused. sir are you sure you want you license confirep001ed? yes sure just take it i don't care i said.

they went to the back of the car and talked for a minute then came back and said oh sir we will let you go now. there are cameras here and we would never take your money in the street as we don't want any trouble. i took my license back and told them they are free to go now. they said ok thank you sir.its funny how when you show some balls and act somewhat inconsistent to what they expect you get some crazy results. 2500p if you had it on you, you would have probably paid it and moved on as its just not worth the time and arguing but you didn't and your responses seemed out of whack and bizarre to them probably thinking that maybe you are undercover so you got a better result.

in june i had a flight booked with cebu pacific to go to bora with my gf. they lost our luggage and my gf silly enough (typical filipina) had her passport and all her i'd's in there. this was after they cancelled my flight to boracay (caticlan) then made us wait for couple of hours at the airport only to put us on another flight to boracay (kalibo). first i lost it in manila telling them that this is not on and that they should have let me know that the flight is cancelled. i started pushing for refund and they gave me us a coupon for a free flight each. in kalibo they expected us to take a bus to caticlan (2hrs) and they lost my bags. i let my gf handle things but they were just saying thats all they can do. they i started yelling saying that i will contact dot and my embassy and that there were diplomatic papers there and started taking down names and acting official with everyone that i talked to. few minutes latter i had the manager from cebu pacific at the airport issue us another free domestic flight coupon and charter a private mini van and pay for out ferry tickets to boracay. he also promised to make sure our suitcases were found and brought to our hotel by 10 am the next morning. we had the luggage in our hotel by noon, with a note of apology and yet another free domestic flight coupon each. its one of the craziest things ever to happen to me in phils pity i am now busy and i won't be back for a while to use the free flights but my gf has already taken a holiday to cebu on the coupons and yeah they worked.

Red Kilt
07-30-12, 11:16
. .

In June I had a flight booked with Cebu Pacific to go to Bora with my gf. They lost our luggage and my gf silly enough (typical filipina) had her passport and all her I'd's in there. This was after they cancelled my flight to Boracay (Caticlan) then made us wait for couple of hours at the airport only to put us on another flight to Boracay (Kalibo). First I lost it in Manila telling them that this is not on and that they should have let me know that the flight is cancelled. I started pushing for refund and they gave me us a coupon for a free flight each. In Kalibo they expected us to take a bus to Caticlan (2hrs) and they lost my bags. I let my gf handle things but they were just saying thats all they can do. They I started yelling saying that I will contact DOT and my embassy and that there were diplomatic papers there and started taking down names and acting official with everyone that I talked to. Few minutes latter I had the manager from Cebu pacific at the airport issue us another free domestic flight coupon and charter a private mini van and pay for out ferry tickets to Boracay. He also promised to make sure our suitcases were found and brought to our hotel by 10 am the next morning. We had the luggage in our hotel by noon, with a note of apology and yet another free domestic flight coupon each. Its one of the craziest things ever to happen to me in phils pity I am now busy and I won't be back for a while to use the free flights but my gf has already taken a holiday to Cebu on the coupons and yeah they worked.You got them at a good time McD.

There has just been a lot of publicity here about a show business star (prima donna) who completely lost it and started loudly abusing a Cebu Pacific luggage attendant when Cebu Pacific lost her bags on the flight from Boracay to Manila. When a local reporter (one of the local tough guys) started filming her tirade her husband (also a show biz star) and the body guards saw him and started bashing him (It's all over YouTube - everybody started filming everybody else filming everybody).

I won't mention names here because it is in the courts now and both sides are suing each other and anyway, names are irrelevant.

What this means is that the airline is very sensitive now about lost luggage and so they reacted quickly to your agitation about your situation.

I think you already understand having been here long enough that under normal circumstances nobody will give a damn about your luggage especially if you start yelling and losing your temper as you said you did.

I think it is never good advice to tell people to start yelling and thumping the desk if things don't go your way anywhere in SE Asia.

In your case you timed it well and got away with it to your advantage.

D Cups
07-30-12, 13:20
that was ballsy, tally. i think you got lucky.


no sir you are in the philippines and you have made a driving infraction and we will need to issue you a ticket and confirep001e your driver's license until it's paid. wtf? they had my driver's license in their hands at this point. i just wanted to get to my destination. i only had about 500p on me since i left what was in my pocket with my gf. i asked the police if i could just pay the ticket now.

their response was ah ok sir it will be 2500p if you want to pay it now. i did not have it plus i was pissed off. i said to them fuck it just give me the ticket and take my license. my license needed to be renewed anyways and i told them that and i could get a new license when returned to usa. they looked at me very confused. sir are you sure you want you license confirep001ed? yes sure just take it i don't care i said.

they went to the back of the car and talked for a minute then came back and said oh sir we will let you go now. there are cameras here and we would never take your money in the street as we don't want any trouble. i took my license back and told them they are free to go now. they said ok thank you sir.

Mc Don
07-30-12, 14:54
You got them at a good time McD.

There has just been a lot of publicity here about a show business star (prima donna) who completely lost it and started loudly abusing a Cebu Pacific luggage attendant when Cebu Pacific lost her bags on the flight from Boracay to Manila. When a local reporter (one of the local tough guys) started filming her tirade her husband (also a show biz star) and the body guards saw him and started bashing him (It's all over YouTube. Everybody started filming everybody else filming everybody).

I won't mention names here because it is in the courts now and both sides are suing each other and anyway, names are irrelevant.

What this means is that the airline is very sensitive now about lost luggage and so they reacted quickly to your agitation about your situation.

I think you already understand having been here long enough that under normal circumstances nobody will give a damn about your luggage especially If you start yelling and losing your temper as you said you did.

I think it is never good advice to tell people to start yelling and thumping the desk if things don't go your way anywhere in SE Asia.

In your case you timed it well and got away with it to your advantage.RK, that was not my point. I don't think you should lose your cool anywhere and almost always its cheaper and easier to pay off the locals and move on then to fight them. I am just saying that at times we get unexpected results when we catch them off guard. I never expected my bags or the tickets from Cebu pacific. I have had previous experiences with them when I have received back damaged suitcases with things missing 2 weeks latter a day before my departure. I did what I did because just like TW I had nothing to lose really. My personal things were safe in Manila, it was a weekend getaway to Bora and all I packed was 2 tshirts, shorts and underwear. I didn't care. What I have noticed in phils is that my accent sets me apart and I know it sounds crazy but it gets things done. They bought the whole diplomatic paperwork crap at least at Kalibo and phones were ringing in front of me with my gf translating what was said. The manager called manila to trace our luggage and they called my gf latter that evening (we are talking around 11pm) to tell her that the luggage was found and will be on the first flight to Bora tomorrow. Even then I didn't believe it to be honest.

They funniest thing out of that experience is you would think my gf would have learned the lesson NEVER to put her passport and paperwork in her checked in luggage when travelling. No prices for guessing where her docs were on the flight back to Manila.

IFRpilot99
07-30-12, 15:19
Thought I would add this report regarding driving in the Philippines. I had a rental car and I was returning to Makati area during a rain storm and heavy traffic. I was driving towards EDSA and looking for the turn off for Makati area. Signs and exits are not marked very well and it was 5 lanes of free for all traffic. I was in a turn lane and decided to move to the other lane and continue straight.

There were 2 Cops standing in that area and waived me over with their flashlights. I stopped.500 will normally do it. Locals pay about 200.

Me I don't stop for them.

Red Kilt
07-30-12, 15:37
RK, that was not my point. I don't think you should lose your cool anywhere and almost always its cheaper and easier to pay off the locals and move on then to fight them. I am just saying that at times we get unexpected results when we catch them off guard. SNIP. .That was EXACTLY my point McD. The fact that you got unexpected results because you were there when Cebu Pacific was VERY sensitive about lost luggage.

I know that you know not to raise your voice etc here. I was just concerned that some newbie in SE Asia might read about you "losing it" (you did say that in your post right?) and might think that is how things get done.

Systems normal. It's all cool.

FreebieFan
07-31-12, 03:30
no sir you are in the philippines and you have made a driving infraction and we will need to issue you a ticket and confirep001e your driver's license until it's paid. wtf? they had my driver's license in their hands at this point. i just wanted to get to my destination. i only had about 500p on me since i left what was in my pocket with my gf. i asked the police if i could just pay the ticket now.

their response was ah ok sir it will be 2500p if you want to pay it now. i did not have it plus i was pissed off. i said to them fuck it just give me the ticket and take my license. my license needed to be renewed anyways and i told them that and i could get a new license when returned to usa. they looked at me very confused. sir are you sure you want you license confirep001ed? yes sure just take it i don't care i said.

they went to the back of the car and talked for a minute then came back and said oh sir we will let you go now. there are cameras here and we would never take your money in the street as we don't want any trouble. i took my license back and told them they are free to go now. they said ok thank you sir.always always always keep a copy of your driving licence in your car. so when you are stopped for "swerving " (thats what changing lanes is referred to. go figureat) , you give them the copy. tell them, if they want to issue a ticket all the details are on the driving licence copy. it confuses the hell out of them, as they are soooo used to patient filipinos meekly giving up the licence.

once they have hold of your licence (in all cases, except yours) , then you aint getting it back without some cheese. the 2500 quoted is very high. usually i try for p500, but sometimes can't do anything for less than a blue note.

oh and for all potential drivers in phils. make sure your gf is wearing a seatbelt. the mmda crocodiles (local term for the bastards) love to catch you for that infraction. and be a gentlemen and help the girl to put on her seatbelt. most of them haven't a clue about how it works or where it goes.

and if your gf really slams the door as she's leaving your car, its normal. every single one of my girls slams the car door really hard. i try to tell them it will shut with a little push. but no, its always slammed so hard the rivets and my teeth shake in unison. nice report tw.

D Cups
07-31-12, 14:43
Ha! I once blew through a toll booth outside Angeles / Olangapo and watched the redlights disappear in my rear view mirror. A long time ago Smokey and the Bandit in the PI!


500 will normally do it. Locals pay about 200.

Me I don't stop for them.

FreebieFan
08-01-12, 02:26
Ha! I once blew through a toll booth outside Angeles / Olangapo and watched the redlights disappear in my rear view mirror. A long time ago Smokey and the Bandit in the PI!I have a few funny stories too about knocking over the wooden toll barriers, after too much drink, incorrect braking, or the barrier not going up as I approached it.

A toll booth security operator pulled a gun on me, demanding that I stop to pay for the barrier. Many funny stories. I'm sure I'm not the only one, as last trip, I noticed that the barriers have a notice on them saying " damage to barrier wil cost motorist X000 pesos.

BrainDrain
08-01-12, 05:38
Oh and for all potential drivers in Phils. Make sure your gf is wearing a seatbelt. The MMDA crocodiles (local term for the bastards) love to catch you for that infraction. And be a gentlemen and help the girl to put on her seatbelt. Most of them haven't a clue about how it works or where it goes.Is this ever an issue for taxi pax? The taxis I see I do't always get a belt.

Tally Wacker
08-01-12, 07:25
Hahaha don't the women in every country slam the door like that?


And if your gf really slams the door as she's leaving your car, its normal. Every single one of my girls slams the car door really hard. I try to tell them it will shut with a little push. But no, its always slammed so hard the rivets and my teeth shake in unison. Nice report TW.

Tally Wacker
08-01-12, 09:17
While on the topic of drinking, driving and doing stupid things in the Philippines here's what happened to me while visiting my gf's family in their province.

That day we drove many hours and arrived late evening. After eating some roadside chicken and drinking a few of those big redhorse bottles of beer we decided to go see the family that night instead of waiting until morning. It was about 10PM and the roads outside of the town were narrow and not well lit. The last turn was on to a dirt road with an irrigation channel on one side and an embankment on the other. I asked my gf if any cars ever drive on the road and she said yes so I continued. It was pitch black and the beer was making me feel good. As I drove down that road we came upon a large cow tied up and sleeping in our path. We could not turn around and I don't think I could have backed up with no light on that narrow road.

We were laughing and having fun as we approached the cow. I was taking in the fun and excitement of the experience. My gf was giggling and had no ideas what to do. As the headlights were directly on the cow I decided to just inch up on it and figured it would just get up and move over. The cow got up and moved to the side toward the canal opposite from the post it was tied to. It was a big fucking cow! We were in a little nissan sentra and the back of the cow stood taller than the roof of the car.

I don't think the cow has seen many cars because it got spooked as we past it and started bucking into the car and gave the car a few hard kicks. No shit! The cow was so big and heavy it rocked the car and there was some loud thuds as it kicked the side of the car. We were stunned and freaking out but still laughing. There was not much room between the car and the edge of the canal. All of a sudden the cow bucked its self off into the water landing with its back hitting the water first and there was a huge splash sound. We could not see much after this because it was very dark. It was just silent after that. All I could think about was that cow drowning in the water with that rope around its neck. I pulled a little farther up and stopped the car next to a little house and a light came on. Shit I might have just killed some guy's cow and he is going to be pissed.

A man came out of that house and my gf opened her door and jumped out and started talking to him in tagalog. It was her Dad LOL. Shit I think I just killed her Dads cow. I got out of the car and I could see that cow standing on the bank across the other side of the canal. I guess they swim. The Dad and Brother rounded up the cow and tied it up again.

Great entrance ha.

Oh I got laid that night too.

The photos below are from the next morning.


I have a few funny stories too about knocking over the wooden toll barriers, after too much drink, incorrect braking, or the barrier not going up as I approached it.

A toll booth security operator pulled a gun on me, demanding that I stop to pay for the barrier. Many funny stories. I'm sure I'm not the only one, as last trip, I noticed that the barriers have a notice on them saying " damage to barrier wil cost motorist X000 pesos.

Red Kilt
08-01-12, 12:08
Is this ever an issue for taxi pax? The taxis I see I do't always get a belt.It only holds for front seat passengers.

The seat belt law is not yet extended to back seat passengers so it is unlikely that your date will be in the front seat of the taxi with you in the back.

In FFs example, he is driving and she is in the passenger seat beside him. Each person has a hand on different sticks.

Rodwint2
08-01-12, 23:11
As I drove down that road we came upon a large cow tied up and sleeping in our path. I don't think the cow has seen many cars because it got spooked as we past it and started bucking into the car and gave the car a few hard kicks. No shit! The cow was so big and heavy it rocked the car and there was some loud thuds as it kicked the side of the car.The "cow" is a water buffalo, similar to the brahma bull, the kind that they ride in rodeos for 8 seconds. You were lucky that it didn't kick the car into the canal!

FreebieFan
08-02-12, 02:45
In FFs example, he is driving and she is in the passenger seat beside him. Each person has a hand on different sticks.In the 101 things to do before you pass, list, it should include getting a BJ driving down Edsa. Have had it many times, both daytime and night time and always good fun. The passengers in the buses passing arent sure what they are seeing, but they all take a look. Tiniting of course obscures some of the action.

One very energetic gal once once leaned forward to get more of my dick in her mouth and her shoulder accidently put the car in neutral. My brain was concentrating on the action I was gettting so I really had a hard time understanding why we werent moving any more.

Soapy Smith
08-02-12, 05:04
The "cow" is a water buffalo, similar to the brahma bull, the kind that they ride in rodeos for 8 seconds. You were lucky that it didn't kick the car into the canal!If the "cow" TW encountered at night was the same animal tied near the road in photos 5 and 6 from the next day, it is not a water buffalo; it is of an indigenous strain of Philippine cattle, raised for meat, milk, and sometimes field work. This particular one will not be producing much milk, as it was born with a pair of Rocky Mountain oysters between its legs, which may or may not still be intact. The photo below is of a "water buffalo," known in the Philippines as a carabao and used primarily as a beast of burden. The animal in TW's photo 7, on the other hand, is a filly with considerable milk-producing potential.

Frenzy3
08-02-12, 05:54
Guys I know not all of us keep to the topic of sex and mongering, but the discussion of driving and cows should continue in http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1001-General-Info General info.

Tally Wacker
08-02-12, 05:56
Correct Skip. I was offered to take a ride on a water buffalo they had out in the fields somewhere and its probably better that never happened.


If the "cow" TW encountered at night was the same animal tied near the road in photos 5 and 6 from the next day, it is not a water buffalo; it is of an indigenous strain of Philippine cattle, raised for meat, milk, and sometimes field work. This particular one will not be producing much milk, as it was born with a pair of Rocky Mountain oysters between its legs, which may or may not still be intact. The photo below is of a "water buffalo," known in the Philippines as a carabao and used primarily as a beast of burden. The animal in TW's photo 7, on the other hand, is a filly with considerable milk-producing potential.

Tally Wacker
08-02-12, 05:58
Got lonely over in the pg chit chat thread ha? LOL.


Guys I know not all of us keep to the topic of sex and mongering, but the discussion of driving and cows should continue in.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1001-General-Info

General info.

FreebieFan
08-02-12, 06:43
Guys I know not all of us keep to the topic of sex and mongering, but the discussion of driving and cows should continue in.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1001-General-Info

General info.It was an interesting story, and was well placed. He was with a girl, and was going to meet girls folks and get laid in the process.

Even the dearly departed Daddy Warbucks (before your time ). Had interesting stories about his driving trips and the adventures that occurred on his way to finding puss or going home from a pussy encounter. More interesting reports please TW, and it really doesn't matter where you choose to post them. We all look at all the sections anyway.

Mc Don
08-03-12, 04:37
It was an interesting story, and was well placed. He was with a girl, and was going to meet girls folks and get laid in the process.

Even the dearly departed Daddy Warbucks (before your time ). Had interesting stories about his driving trips and the adventures that occurred on his way to finding puss or going home from a pussy encounter. More interesting reports please TW, and it really doesn't matter where you choose to post them. We all look at all the sections anyway.I liked the story too. Its also interesting that he did that considering most of us here would advise against going to meet the folks. TW more insights on that if you don't mind. How were you received by the oldies, did they look at you funny when you left for the night with their daughter? Any requests for handouts?

Remi317
08-03-12, 06:16
This club is a ripoff. I walked in this bar and had a couple of beers. I was on my second beer when the maddam came and ask me if I liked any of the girls. I said yeah I like number 100, so she brought her over. Right away they ask you if you want to buy her a drink I said ok. Then the waiter charges me 875 pesos for her one drink. I told him never in any club in the Phillippines had I paid so much for a drink. So now I'm thinking of getting this girl out of the bar before she finishes her expensive drink. So I told her lets get out of here. She goes and talks to the maddam and comes back and tells me its 10, 000 pesos. I'm like what? Why is it so much? I told her its not my first time in Manila why are you trying to rip me off? So I tell her to forget it and ask for my tab so I can leave. So I'm waiting for the waiter for like 20 min. For my bill, by this time I'm pissed off so I get up and start walking towards the door. So now the waiter and maddam intercept me and she is telling me she will give me a discount on the girl. I'm like forget it I'm not in a mood anymore. So they give me my tab it was 400 pesos for the two beers. 875 pesos for the girl drink and 600 pesos cover charge and two additional 600 pesos charges. I'm what the hell is this for? Surcharge sir. I'm like surcharge for what? I'm not paying this I told him. So now I have the waiter the maddam and three additional guys there. At this point I'm thinking its going to be cheper just to pay the bill and suck it up than to try and fight these bastards. So I paid them but not before giving them an earfull. This was my third trip to the Phillippines and my first bad experience. I have always had a good time in Manila, Makati, Boracay, Cebu. My favorite place is still Angelis City. You can't go wrong when it comes to bars. Prices are a lot cheaper for everything and I feel safer at night.

Tally Wacker
08-03-12, 06:31
Hey mr f9 theres a huge discussion about atm machines over in the ac thread and no talk about mongering. Go get them boy!


Guys I know not all of us keep to the topic of sex and mongering, but the discussion of driving and cows should continue in.

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1001-General-Info

General info.

Cunning Stunt
08-03-12, 07:44
Got lonely over in the pg chit chat thread ha? LOL.Tut, tut, not wise to poke the boxhead! You know he is intent on world domination and we will be first against the wall.

P. S Don't mention the war.

Frenzy3
08-03-12, 14:01
In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, [2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. [4] The noun troll may refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."

While the word troll and its associated verb trolling are associated with Internet discourse, media attention in recent years has made such labels subjective, with trolling describing intentionally provocative actions and harassment outside of an online context. For example, mass media has used troll to describe "a person who defaces Internet tribute sites with the aim of causing grief to families."[5][6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_ (Internet)

If you want to keep posting off topic you are really are a troll.

There is a reason the threads have titles, maybe your reading skills are as good as your sex skills, that why you need to talk about Cows and other off topic shit.

WestCoast1
08-03-12, 15:12
Tried to PM you, but you don't have PM yet.

Cunning Stunt
08-03-12, 15:44
There is a reason the threads have titles, maybe your reading skills are as good as your sex skills, that why you need to talk about Cows and other off topic shit.I don't normally go for all that national stereotyping shit but surely when God was handing out sense of humor, one nationality was far too busy throwing their towels over heavenly sun loungers... LOL.

P. S Don't mention the var!

BionicMan
08-03-12, 23:07
If you want to keep posting off topic you are really are a troll.There is a reason the threads have titles, maybe your reading skills are as good as your sex skills, that why you need to talk about Cows and other off topic shit.There is an old say "what happens in Manila stays in Manila". If the guy met the cow in the Manila province it is appropriate, LOL.

Guys. Do not get too serious. Sometime we describe some girls or aldies as dogs, this time it was cow time!

Key Master
08-04-12, 03:02
This club is a ripoff. I walked in this bar and had a couple of beers. I was on my second beer when the maddam came and ask me if I liked any of the girls. I said yeah I like number 100, so she brought her over. Right away they ask you if you want to buy her a drink I said ok. Then the waiter charges me 875 pesos for her one drink. I told him never in any club in the Phillippines had I paid so much for a drink. So now I'm thinking of getting this girl out of the bar before she finishes her expensive drink. So I told her lets get out of here. She goes and talks to the maddam and comes back and tells me its 10, 000 pesos. I'm like what? Why is it so much? I told her its not my first time in Manila why are you trying to rip me off? So I tell her to forget it and ask for my tab so I can leave. So I'm waiting for the waiter for like 20 min. For my bill, by this time I'm pissed off so I get up and start walking towards the door. So now the waiter and maddam intercept me and she is telling me she will give me a discount on the girl. I'm like forget it I'm not in a mood anymore. So they give me my tab it was 400 pesos for the two beers. 875 pesos for the girl drink and 600 pesos cover charge and two additional 600 pesos charges. I'm what the hell is this for? Surcharge sir. I'm like surcharge for what? I'm not paying this I told him. So now I have the waiter the maddam and three additional guys there. At this point I'm thinking its going to be cheper just to pay the bill and suck it up than to try and fight these bastards. So I paid them but not before giving them an earfull. This was my third trip to the Phillippines and my first bad experience. I have always had a good time in Manila, Makati, Boracay, Cebu. My favorite place is still Angelis City. You can't go wrong when it comes to bars. Prices are a lot cheaper for everything and I feel safer at night.There are a bunch of clubs like this that most on this board probably don't go to. I'm thinking you may have been taken to this place by a taxi driver?

WestCoast1
08-04-12, 05:59
There are a bunch of clubs like this that most on this board probably don't go to. I'm thinking you may have been taken to this place by a taxi driver?Yes, expensive KTV places. Often pretty girls hanging just outside the door, in pretty evening gowns. Rich korean / japanese gents tend to hang in these places with their buddies. They buy an expensive LD (p1000 is not unusual) , and a pretty pinay sits and chats you up for an hour or so. The guys sometimes pay for 3-4-5 LD's at once, ensuring the girl will sit and chat with them for several hours. Take-out prices can be extremely high. I never saw what those guys see in those places. By the time you buy a LD and take a girl, you could have taken half a dozen girls from MBC (and spent your time on sex, not drunken revelry). I was walking down the street one night and some girls harkened me in. I realized right away that the place was unusual, all the girls have those nice evening gowns (uniforms I would reckon). Bunch of japanese guys sitting with 4 girls, laughing it up. Before being seated I asked what the cost of a beer was and the girl said 800, and she would go get some girls for me to choose from to sit with me. Couple of drinks and a barfine here and I could see myself having to use my credit card and be p15k lighter. Ah, no thanks hun, time for me to get out of here and find a taxi to G-Point.

D Cups
08-04-12, 22:08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_

(Internet)This internet link says nothing about your definition, F3, nor the more commonly known verb meaning "to fish" e. G, trolling for trollops.

FreebieFan
08-05-12, 02:32
I don't normally go for all that national stereotyping shit but surely when God was handing out sense of humor, one nationality was far too busy throwing their towels over heavenly sun loungers. LOL.

P. S Don't mention the var!LOL! And in my best John Cleese voice, add " but you started it!". LOL LOL extra big LOL.

Cbea20
08-05-12, 03:41
I visited a club like this on Roxas Blvd. In Baclaran. At the door I ascertained that there is no cover. I checked the price of a drink and ordered one. Problem: the waiter would not accept payment! It's my policy never to run a tab. Besides the possibility of additional charges, as complained of below, especially after a guy has been drinking, I want to be able to leave quickly in case of a disturbance. So the madame, or mama-san, joins me to ask what she can do for me. And I say, Get me the bill for this drink! She did so. But after that, no one approached me. My pleasure was to watch, with no action.


This club is a ripoff. . So they give me my tab it was 400 pesos for the two beers. 875 pesos for the girl drink and 600 pesos cover charge and two additional 600 pesos charges. I'm what the hell is this for? Surcharge sir. I'm like surcharge for what? I'm not paying this I told him. So now I have the waiter the maddam and three additional guys there. At this point I'm thinking its going to be cheper just to pay the bill and suck it up than to try and fight these bastards. So I paid them but not before giving them an earfull. This was my third trip to the Phillippines and my first bad experience.