Manila

[Starchild2012]

Yes, expensive KTV places. Often pretty girls hanging just outside the door, in pretty evening gowns. Rich korean / japanese gents tend to hang in these places with their buddies. They buy an expensive LD (p1000 is not unusual) , and a pretty pinay sits and chats you up for an hour or so. The guys sometimes pay for 3-4-5 LD's at once, ensuring the girl will sit and chat with them for several hours. Take-out prices can be extremely high. I never saw what those guys see in those places. By the time you buy a LD and take a girl, you could have taken half a dozen girls from MBC (and spent your time on sex, not drunken revelry). I was walking down the street one night and some girls harkened me in. I realized right away that the place was unusual, all the girls have those nice evening gowns (uniforms I would reckon). Bunch of japanese guys sitting with 4 girls, laughing it up. Before being seated I asked what the cost of a beer was and the girl said 800, and she would go get some girls for me to choose from to sit with me. Couple of drinks and a barfine here and I could see myself having to use my credit card and be p15k lighter. Ah, no thanks hun, time for me to get out of here and find a taxi to G-Point.True. I think the management is more surprised to see a non korean japanese than we are to them, they think, here comes another lost soul, In Asia Entertainment Complex in front of roxas blvd, there are some half a dozen KTV bars that charge 800 pesos for a drink and I too stumbled upon it once and they were surprised to see me. However, They have a fish bowl inside the KTV bar, where the quality is quite high with all girls dressed in Japanese Anime attire etc.

I believe the KTV scene in Philippines is very big for Japanese, Korean clients. I used Google translate and typed in japanese [manila KTV] &12510; &12491; &12521; KTV [Philippines KTV] &12501; &12451; &12522; &12500; &12531; KTV and came up with 100's of videos that most english speaking folks could not find it the normal way. If you have PPD from your last trip to the PH. Just Google translate all keywords to Japanese and they have put whole weeks worth of videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tog5nlAIZAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtrc2gexEQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2g67s5jsIM

http://www.pub930.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQQYwuCTeNE

And 100's more

[FreebieFan]

Hey mr f9 theres a huge discussion about atm machines over in the ac thread and no talk about mongering. Go get them boy!Jeez call the Internet police quick. Need the number. Its F R E N Z Y then 3. That will get you right through to them. Report now!

[X Man]

Thanks for that. Pretty sure I won't be going to the Mr. Woman club. Every once in a while I bump into a gal in a bar that has worked in Japan. Sometimes we have a great conversation in Japanese and sometimes I wonder how they survived with their terrible pronunciation. Oh, I suppose their charm point wasn't conversation.


True. I think the management is more surprised to see a non korean japanese than we are to them, they think, here comes another lost soul, In Asia Entertainment Complex in front of roxas blvd, there are some half a dozen KTV bars that charge 800 pesos for a drink and I too stumbled upon it once and they were surprised to see me. However, They have a fish bowl inside the KTV bar, where the quality is quite high with all girls dressed in Japanese Anime attire etc.

I believe the KTV scene in Philippines is very big for Japanese, Korean clients. I used Google translate and typed in japanese [manila KTV] &12510; &12491; &12521; KTV [Philippines KTV] &12501; &12451; &12522; &12500; &12531; KTV and came up with 100's of videos that most english speaking folks could not find it the normal way. If you have PPD from your last trip to the PH. Just Google translate all keywords to Japanese and they have put whole weeks worth of videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tog5nlAIZAY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtrc2gexEQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2g67s5jsIM

http://www.pub930.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQQYwuCTeNE

And 100's more

[StreetHawk]

I visited a club like this on Roxas Blvd. In Baclaran. At the door I ascertained that there is no cover. I checked the price of a drink and ordered one. Problem: the waiter would not accept payment! It's my policy never to run a tab. Besides the possibility of additional charges, as complained of below, especially after a guy has been drinking, I want to be able to leave quickly in case of a disturbance. So the madame, or mama-san, joins me to ask what she can do for me. And I say, Get me the bill for this drink! She did so. But after that, no one approached me. My pleasure was to watch, with no action.Yeah same thing with me on my 1st trip to Manila. It was my last night, I was half cut again and also had a thirst for danger / adventure. In greenbelt 3 I'd just came out of Hard Rock Cafe, wasn't much happening. A taxi driver followed me up the street trying to get me to go a bar I said no twice but he persisted and I thought fuck it don't know where else to go to find some action so I stupidly agreed to go.

Outside the club there was a gorilla standing in front of the door but he was friendly enough. Entered and the place was virtually empty-surprise surprise. Some girls were dancing on stage but it was quiet. Ordered a vod and coke at the bar and asked how much it was= 400 peso! My alarm bells were ringing but I thought I'm here now I'll stay for a drink. The slimeball manager approached and asked me about a girl. I asked how much he said it depends on the girl.

I see a cutie and have him beckon her over. As soon as I do this slimeball brings over a ladydrink without me even asking! I ask how much he says 700! I remember looking at the drink and it was just cola! I think right, this is getting expensive now. Nice girl actually she was 19 nice legs certainly better than average. Start talking prices and the takeout fee was 7000! Said no way too expensive and slimball said ok you can go upstairs with her for 5000! Best I could get was 4500. Being green and horny I went with it. Slimeball followed me up and tried to push more drinks and I said no firmly.

To be fair it was quite a good GFE considering the seedy environment. But one pop only so still a rip off for that price. Finished and back down stairs I found I didn't have enough cash on me (did I mention I was half cut. So had to go to the nearest ATM with the friendly gorilla escorting me. I'm actually glad he did because I stuck out like a sore thumb and there was pestilence everywhere. It was freaking me out. After walking for what seemed like an hour, We finally found one that worked. Suddenly the taxi driver came out of nowhere and drove us back. Again I was glad to see him even though he was scamming me.

Back at the club the bill presented to me was over 6000 something like 6400 peso! There was a mystery 800 peso added in somewhere, maybe the taxi driver's comission. I argued but he said no its for the girl blah blah. Just thought right got to suck it up and get out of here. Paid up and slimeball was putting on his act like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Sir this, sir that where are you from? Yes is a famous country!

Left the place and the taxi driver was waiting for me. As I approached the taxi an unseen before, and this time unfriendly gorilla approached me and held his hand out saying parking! WTF? Trying to charge me for parking! Ignored him and banged on the door for the taxi driver to let me in. Got in and the gorilla was banging on the door. Told him lets get out of here! That was crazy but expensive lesson learnt!

[X Man]

Does Margie's club ring a bell for anyone? I got a pic from a gal, and it looks like a nice place. I haven't been to Makati for a while, so maybe there. She's from the province, but has just arrived at Manila (she says). Margies club has the typical AC look with colored paint on the mirrors, dancers, and and a rope to ring the bell. X

[APax2]

A taxi driver followed me up the street trying to get me to go a bar I said no twice but he persisted and I thought fuck it don't know where else to go to find some action so I stupidly agreed to go.Helpful report SH. I too have been tempted just to try it out but now thankful I didn't agree. 99% of the time I have requested a taxi to Burgos, the driver would try and steer me to Roxas Blvd. They must get a nice kickback from these bars. Even when I'm not heading to a red light district, many taxi drivers had ready some type of variation of "Do you have girlfriend? Do you like pretty girl? I take you to best place." which ended up being Roxas Blvd.


The guys sometimes pay for 3-4-5 LD's at once, ensuring the girl will sit and chat with them for several hours.I've heard about guys that do this at the KTVs, always wondered what their conversations could possibly be about for that long.

[GaryR]

Any bars like Cafe Havana close to EDSA Shangrila?

[Red Kilt]

Any bars like Cafe Havana close to EDSA Shangrila?No GaryR. This has been canvassed many times on this thread here before.

Not much available around Ortigas Center (where I live). Check out posts # 8901, 8902, 8998 for starters on this Manila thread

You need to go south to Makati or north to Cubao and / or Quezon Avenue for bars and KTV places.

[Red Kilt]

(reposted from Chat room thread)

If you are not currently in Manila then you should know that most of Metro Manila has been hit by an incredible volume of rain in the past week.

Much of the place is flooded today, and even the NLEX (the highway to AC) is cut by floodwaters.

You can expect many requests for assistance if you have cell phone or chatmates.

My CP and various contacts on YM etc have been running hot all day with pleas for assistance.

Unfortunately, having watched the carnage on TV ans seeing where the floods are worst, I know that a huge percentage of these pleas are genuine.

One woman from Fairview even sent me a photo showing her and her family on the roof with water swirling around about 1 meter below the roof.

Just a heads-up that it really is serious here so be a little gentle if you get all manner of requests for help.

Don't try to call the girls out on it as chances are they really have been flooded out. If you are still cynical, google "Philippines Inquirer" "or Philippines Star" and check out the breaking news.

[Mc Don]

(reposted from Chat room thread)

If you are not currently in Manila then you should know that most of Metro Manila has been hit by an incredible volume of rain in the past week.

Much of the place is flooded today, and even the NLEX (the highway to AC) is cut by floodwaters.

You can expect many requests for assistance if you have cell phone or chatmates.

My CP and various contacts on YM etc have been running hot all day with pleas for assistance.

Unfortunately, having watched the carnage on TV ans seeing where the floods are worst, I know that a huge percentage of these pleas are genuine.

One woman from Fairview even sent me a photo showing her and her family on the roof with water swirling around about 1 meter below the roof.

Just a heads-up that it really is serious here so be a little gentle if you get all manner of requests for help.

Don't try to call the girls out on it as chances are they really have been flooded out. If you are still cynical, google "Philippines Inquirer" "or Philippines Star" and check out the breaking news.Thanks for that RK I think I will change my ticket to Clark or Kalibo rather then manila.

[Red Kilt]

Thanks for that RK I think I will change my ticket to Clark or Kalibo rather then manila.Might be wise Macca. Forecast is for the rain to continue for tomorrow too.

As I write this at 6pm on Tuesday, the rain has just started pouring down again, with thunder rolling in the background.

It seems that it is hitting Metro Manila specifically because it is a South-west Monsoon but with additional effect to the usual seasonal monsoon rain.

[Viajando Musico]

Any bars like Cafe Havana close to EDSA Shangrila?If you are talking about freelance pickup bar like Cafe Havana, there are none that I known of, not a good location for the hobby unless you are interested in lower end local places. The closest bars with WG's are on Shaw Blvd. 500 yards east of EDSA 3-4 there, and in walking distance.

[Starchild2012]

(reposted from Chat room thread)

If you are not currently in Manila then you should know that most of Metro Manila has been hit by an incredible volume of rain in the past week.

Much of the place is flooded today, and even the NLEX (the highway to AC) is cut by floodwaters.

You can expect many requests for assistance if you have cell phone or chatmates.

My CP and various contacts on YM etc have been running hot all day with pleas for assistance.

Unfortunately, having watched the carnage on TV ans seeing where the floods are worst, I know that a huge percentage of these pleas are genuine.

One woman from Fairview even sent me a photo showing her and her family on the roof with water swirling around about 1 meter below the roof.

Just a heads-up that it really is serious here so be a little gentle if you get all manner of requests for help.

Don't try to call the girls out on it as chances are they really have been flooded out. If you are still cynical, google "Philippines Inquirer" "or Philippines Star" and check out the breaking news.Almost 50% of manila is flooded, major roads are blocked, Manila suburbs are the worst hit, Business districts like makati, ortigas, bonifacio global city less issue due to better drainage system, well advised to postpone the trip to a week or so. Its not looking good for Manila now

[BrainDrain]

Almost 50% of manila is flooded, major roads are blocked, Manila suburbs are the worst hit, Business districts like makati, ortigas, bonifacio global city less issue due to better drainage system, well advised to postpone the trip to a week or so. Its not looking good for Manila nowInteresting that this can be predicted. And yes, I had one request already this morning.

Even the girls whom have legitimate jobs will need assistance as the government declared it a 'no work, no pay' day. My understanding is that everyone was sent home without pay.

If people were asked to stay at work, then they received an extra 25% in their pay.

It is times like this that the demands on the country's struggling infrastructure really show. We generally pay our staff an additional allowance as they all incur additional costs from my experience.

In four weeks time, that road being cut between AC & Manila would mean that I would have to extend my time in AC with the expenses being covered by travel insurance. In a way that sounds surreal.

BD

[Mc Don]

Thanks for the weather info. I was planning to come to Manila on Friday but now I am looking at other options and will probably go to AC. Still thinking about flying to Kalibo or Cebu instead but I need to get to manila for a day over the next 2 weeks so AC seems like the best option. Seems like almost every time I go to phils I bring a typhoon or two with me. Having said that the girls seem extra horny and appreciate a good room at times like this so I am sure it will be fun

[Red Kilt]

Thanks for the weather info. I was planning to come to Manila on Friday but now I am looking at other options and will probably go to AC. Still thinking about flying to Kalibo or Cebu instead but I need to get to manila for a day over the next 2 weeks so AC seems like the best option. Seems like almost every time I go to phils I bring a typhoon or two with me. Having said that the girls seem extra horny and appreciate a good room at times like this so I am sure it will be funForecast is for the weather to be clear by Friday.

Not rained today Wednesday yet but that could change.

If you have arrangements for Friday McD I would retain them. AC was inaccessible from Manila anyway (the NLEX was flooded)

[Cunning Stunt]

Not rained today Wednesday yet but that could change.And has. Its absolutely pissing down here.

GF in Recto just texted me. Appears she has a new waist high swimming pool right outside her front door. Thing is that it used to be a road!

[Red Kilt]

And has. Its absolutely pissing down here.

GF in Recto just texted me. Appears she has a new waist high swimming pool right outside her front door. Thing is that it used to be a road!Ahhh CS You beat me to a rectification (nice word that!) of my earlier statement. It has been non-stop pissing down since 1pm again now, so no doubt the temporary lull in the flood will be forgotten with a new surge.

I have had several texts telling me how flooded out many of my friends are so I guess it is going to be full-on texts for help for the next week or two.

One major problem with the flooding is that it is exceptionally dirty water that is flowing in and out of residents houses. One girl told me the water is very mabaho (very very bad smell)

[Starchild2012]

Ahhh CS You beat me to a rectification (nice word that!) of my earlier statement. It has been non-stop pissing down since 1pm again now, so no doubt the temporary lull in the flood will be forgotten with a new surge.

I have had several texts telling me how flooded out many of my friends are so I guess it is going to be full-on texts for help for the next week or two.

One major problem with the flooding is that it is exceptionally dirty water that is flowing in and out of residents houses. One girl told me the water is very mabaho (very very bad smell) Water contamination and water borne diseases are the dangers of flooding. I would suggest everyone to use lifestraw.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LifeStraw

LifeStraw is a water filter designed to be used by one person to filter water so that they may safely drink it. It filters a maximum of 1000 litres of water, enough for one person for one year. It removes 99. 9999% of waterborne bacteria and 99. 9% of parasites[1]. The LifeStraw Family, a larger unit designed for family use, also filters out 99. 99% of viruses [2].

http://www.vestergaard-frandsen.com/lifestraw/

[Mc Don]

Thanks for the updates, I just saw pictures on the news and I think I will just go to AC. I will concentrate on work some time next week for now I will just enjoy the babes.

[X Man]

In the last ten years I've gone to Philippines about twenty+ times. I'm slow, but not completely stupid. (some will disagree.) As of now, I go direct to visayans in what most Westerners call summer (July, August) and in other months I often mix it up, MM, AC, Cebu, or other destination. You don't want to hear about the time I went to MM during monsoon and the garbage contingent were on strike. Not pleasant at all.

I once inquired about a Pinatubo hike in summer, was refused, and a few French people were swept to their deaths the next day.

I just want to say how much I sympathize with you poor guys. It must be rough. I also hope you extend my sympathy with the local taxi drivers. They've always tried to get as much as they can, and I hope their engines are filled with Manila sewage.

Stay safe and stay dry! X

[X Man]

Hiring a boat is cheaper, they say.


Thanks for the updates, I just saw pictures on the news and I think I will just go to AC. I will concentrate on work some time next week for now I will just enjoy the babes.

[Cool Traveler]

Not sure how many times some of us veterans have written this advice. Do not get into a taxi that you did not call for! Very very stupid, and very dangerous. He could have tkaen you somewhere and robbed you or worse. Idiot!

What were you thinking. Be happy it is only 6400 pesos. For what you did, you got away cheap!

DO NOT GET INTO TAXI'S THAT COME AFTER YOU! If a taxi comes after you, walk away. Cross the street, and get another taxi. Tell him the hotel you are going to. Start a conversation and ask whats a good place to go to. The key is be in control of your surroundings and situation. Be aware at all times. Do not go to places you don't know or have never been before. It is a stupid thing to do!

Guys, everything is here. Just do your research. Everything is on the internet too. Plan before you go. Ask people here. There are a lot of guys here who give very good advices!

This is a classic example. I am glad you left safely Streethawk!

CT


Yeah same thing with me on my 1st trip to Manila. It was my last night, I was half cut again and also had a thirst for danger / adventure. In greenbelt 3 I'd just came out of Hard Rock Cafe, wasn't much happening. A taxi driver followed me up the street trying to get me to go a bar I said no twice but he persisted and I thought fuck it don't know where else to go to find some action so I stupidly agreed to go.

Outside the club there was a gorilla standing in front of the door but he was friendly enough. Entered and the place was virtually empty-surprise surprise. Some girls were dancing on stage but it was quiet. Ordered a vod and coke at the bar and asked how much it was= 400 peso! My alarm bells were ringing but I thought I'm here now I'll stay for a drink. The slimeball manager approached and asked me about a girl. I asked how much he said it depends on the girl.

I see a cutie and have him beckon her over. As soon as I do this slimeball brings over a ladydrink without me even asking! I ask how much he says 700! I remember looking at the drink and it was just cola! I think right, this is getting expensive now. Nice girl actually she was 19 nice legs certainly better than average. Start talking prices and the takeout fee was 7000! Said no way too expensive and slimball said ok you can go upstairs with her for 5000! Best I could get was 4500. Being green and horny I went with it. Slimeball followed me up and tried to push more drinks and I said no firmly.

To be fair it was quite a good GFE considering the seedy environment. But one pop only so still a rip off for that price. Finished and back down stairs I found I didn't have enough cash on me (did I mention I was half cut. So had to go to the nearest ATM with the friendly gorilla escorting me. I'm actually glad he did because I stuck out like a sore thumb and there was pestilence everywhere. It was freaking me out. After walking for what seemed like an hour, We finally found one that worked. Suddenly the taxi driver came out of nowhere and drove us back. Again I was glad to see him even though he was scamming me.

Back at the club the bill presented to me was over 6000 something like 6400 peso! There was a mystery 800 peso added in somewhere, maybe the taxi driver's comission. I argued but he said no its for the girl blah blah. Just thought right got to suck it up and get out of here. Paid up and slimeball was putting on his act like butter wouldn't melt in his mouth. Sir this, sir that where are you from? Yes is a famous country!

Left the place and the taxi driver was waiting for me. As I approached the taxi an unseen before, and this time unfriendly gorilla approached me and held his hand out saying parking! WTF? Trying to charge me for parking! Ignored him and banged on the door for the taxi driver to let me in. Got in and the gorilla was banging on the door. Told him lets get out of here! That was crazy but expensive lesson learnt!

[Peet0115]

If you are talking about freelance pickup bar like Cafe Havana, there are none that I known of, not a good location for the hobby unless you are interested in lower end local places. The closest bars with WG's are on Shaw Blvd. 500 yards east of EDSA 3-4 there, and in walking distance.Anybody have any luck at the bar in the Shangri La hotel?

[LukeSkywalker]

Unable to contact a few girls I Know in Manila.

Their emails could not be delivered to; their mobile phones are all dead.

I hope the poor girls are not floating face up somewhere in the flood water.

[Red Kilt]

Water contamination and water borne diseases are the dangers of flooding. SNIP. .The flooding that occurs every year in various levels of calamity comes about primarily because local governments have granted building permits for developers to build homes or industries in waterways and squatters put up shanties in the slum areas nobody wants.

Just about all of Caloocan, Malabon, Navotas and Valenzuela (Camanava) and the edges of Marikina are built on a FLOOD PLAIN.

A flood plain is an area where excess water in times of extreme rainfall (floods) ends up.

Quite simple really why there is so much angst.

Add in an ineffective garbage disposal system, the slum dwellers without any sanitary facilities, and you have a series of major issues that contribute a very messy outcome, with sewage waste being flushed into waterways and in and out of homes being flooded. People wading in these waters with open cuts or abrasions on legs are at risk of all manner of diseases as SC mentioned.

Unfortunately there is no master planning. It has always been a "plugging the hole" approach but never a long term solution. Somebody has to step up sooner or later. Maybe this President might get something going?

[Red Kilt]

anybody have any luck at the bar in the shangri la hotel?there are two shangri-la hotels. one is edsa shangri-la (which heads your post) and the other is shangri-la makati.

edsa shangri-la has an open lounge area that is frequented by business travellers and families, and i have never seen wgs anywhere in the hotel.

shang makati has a bar on the first floor that doubles as a night club. expensive "escort-type" women sometimes occupy seats at the small bar, but they are usually looking for high rollers, and preferably someone who stays in the hotel. very hit and miss. they are rarely good-looking women too. average at best.

the discos at both hotels have long closed down. either shang hotel is not a likely hunting ground

[Red Kilt]

anybody have any luck at the bar in the shangri la hotel?there are two shangri-la hotels. one is edsa shangri-la (which heads your post) and the other is shangri-la makati.

edsa shangri-la has an open lounge area that is frequented by business travellers and families, and i have never seen wgs anywhere in the hotel.

shang makati has a bar on the first floor that doubles as a night club. expensive "escort-type" women sometimes occupy seats at the small bar, but they are usually looking for high rollers, and preferably someone who stays in the hotel. very hit and miss. they are rarely good-looking women too. average at best.

the discos at both hotels have long closed down. neither of the shang hotels in manila is a likely hunting ground

[MadisonGuy]

Not sure how many times some of us veterans have written this advice. Do not get into a taxi that you did not call for! Very very stupid, and very dangerous. He could have tkaen you somewhere and robbed you or worse. Idiot!

What were you thinking. Be happy it is only 6400 pesos. For what you did, you got away cheap!

DO NOT GET INTO TAXI'S THAT COME AFTER YOU! If a taxi comes after you, walk away. Cross the street, and get another taxi. Tell him the hotel you are going to. Start a conversation and ask whats a good place to go to. The key is be in control of your surroundings and situation. Be aware at all times. Do not go to places you don't know or have never been before. It is a stupid thing to do!

Guys, everything is here. Just do your research. Everything is on the internet too. Plan before you go. Ask people here. There are a lot of guys here who give very good advices!

This is a classic example. I am glad you left safely Streethawk!

CTYour advice would end mongering as we know it. How would you ever make it to a new place if you never go to a place you haven't been before? People put too much fear into others in this forum. I don't do anything different in Manila than I would in downtown Chicago or Atlanta. Life is a gamble, by taking that taxi he might have saved himself from a mugging. Just do what you want and forget the rest. Now I like a little danger myself also, never really had any except once in Turkey my heart got beating a bit fast arguing with the Russian mob, but Philippines was super safe. I kind of wonder if people are comparing big cities like Manila to Kansas, there is a difference in that I would agree. Criminals prey on the weak in all countries so show signs of weakness and you become a mark.

[Sammon]

Unable to contact a few girls I Know in Manila.

Their emails could not be delivered to; their mobile phones are all dead.

I hope the poor girls are not floating face up somewhere in the flood water.Whenever there is weather problems first thing goes is the eletricity. So many of these girls cannot recharge their phones not to mention their load may have vanished.

Lots of neighbourhood internet cafe will be closed.

Only big hotels who have generators will be operating. Malate area is generally immune except for water flooding in from bay. As you can understand these girls live in poor sections of greater manila. Compared to the population very few die. Only people who die is because their house or shack has collapsed on them. But this time government is more prepared according to news reports.

[Wicked Roger]

[QUOTE=StreetHawk; 1311890]I was half cut again and also had a thirst for danger / adventure. QUOTE]

SW (and CT)

That is SW's problem.

Being half cut and having that thirst is a dangerous mix in many places but certainly in Manila. Plain stupid if you ask me and you (SW) were very lucky IMHO that it was only cash you lost.

[Soapy Smith]

The flooding that occurs every year in various levels of calamity comes about primarily because local governments have granted building permits for developers to build homes or industries in waterways and squatters put up shanties in the slum areas nobody wants.

Just about all of Caloocan, Malabon, Navotas and Valenzuela (Camanava) and the edges of Marikina are built on a FLOOD PLAIN.

A flood plain is an area where excess water in times of extreme rainfall (floods) ends up.

Add in an ineffective garbage disposal system, the slum dwellers without any sanitary facilities, and you have a series of major issues that contribute a very messy outcome, with sewage waste being flushed into waterways and in and out of homes being flooded. People wading in these waters with open cuts or abrasions on legs are at risk of all manner of diseases as SC mentioned.

Unfortunately there is no master planning. It has always been a "plugging the hole" approach but never a long term solution. Somebody has to step up sooner or later. Maybe this President might get something going?Add to this the denuding of tree cover in high elevations to the East in Rizal and Bulacan Provinces, which contributes to the rapid runoff that then deluges the Marikina River watershed and Laguna de Bay. In addition to low lying areas within flood plains, squatters often perch their shanties on steeply sloped land, which then gives way when the soil becomes saturated. Hence the deaths from a small mudslide in Quezon City.

My understanding of the Camanava area is that, in addition to taking runoff from Bulacan Province to the North, much of it is also a tidal plain. I've seen areas in Malabon and Navotas that are under water during high tide, even without the rain. This area, like much of Metro Manila along Manila Bay is built on fill dropped onto terrain that was at one time mostly under water. And these areas are settling.

Centuries of defying nature have contributed to the failure to plan and prepare for disaster and mitigate known vulnerable areas. But the Philippines is like many other developing countries in which the military plays a prominent role. The military is good with rubber rafts, helicopters, and hospital ships, and those are the things that get most public attention once the media zoom in on calamity. The work of preparation and mitigation is a slow, arduous trudge, it doesn't play well on TV or in the papers (even if Filipinos did read) , and politicians see few opportunities in it for self-promotion. Preparation and mitigation also involve enforcing laws, many already in place, which could prevent developers and squatters from creating so much vulnerability. But local officials see the violators first as people whose money and votes they want and rarely as violators or vulnerable populations.

Since the Marcos era local governments automatically get calamity funds so long as 5% of their budgets are directed to disaster management. But mayors consider this discretionary money and don't like that the new 2010 Disaster Management law requires larger percentages to be directed to preparation and mitigation. Besides, the politicians know that photo ops in which they hand out money and relief supplies when everybody is sensitized to a current calamity, carry greater salience than ribbon cuttings for new evacuation centers or instances in which regulators merely do their jobs.

The new law offers some hope, as it focuses on disaster risk reduction, at least in theory, but from what I see the proof is yet to reveal itself in a pudding that still hasn't thickened.

Senator Loren Legarda gave a nice rant a couple days ago that was picked up in the Inquirer. Most of her points are on target, but like everybody else who screams and hollers when calamity strikes, she has hardly been a champion for acting on current laws or enacting new ones that might help. When it's raining, you can't repair the leak in the roof, and when it isn't raining you don't need to.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/246183/lesson-to-be-learned-we-must-adapt-to-new-norm

BTW, this is also about climate change, and the Philippines has been smack in the path of its effects.

[LukeSkywalker]

On the jet approaching Manila airport, looks like most of Luzon on the East side is submerged in salt water even in dry months.

It appears Luzon has a serious soil erosion problem where land is gradually taken over by the sea. Any bro has info about this problem in Luzon?

[Slippery]

I log into this site every day for purposes of enlightenment as to living in Metro Manila rather than the price for puki. If somebody knows how to put Skip's post on reports of distinction, please do so. Whether others agree or disagree, its a great commentary.

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[Starchild2012]

The flooding that occurs every year in various levels of calamity comes about primarily because local governments have granted building permits for developers to build homes or industries in waterways and squatters put up shanties in the slum areas nobody wants.

Just about all of Caloocan, Malabon, Navotas and Valenzuela (Camanava) and the edges of Marikina are built on a FLOOD PLAIN.

A flood plain is an area where excess water in times of extreme rainfall (floods) ends up.

Quite simple really why there is so much angst.

Add in an ineffective garbage disposal system, the slum dwellers without any sanitary facilities, and you have a series of major issues that contribute a very messy outcome, with sewage waste being flushed into waterways and in and out of homes being flooded. People wading in these waters with open cuts or abrasions on legs are at risk of all manner of diseases as SC mentioned.

Unfortunately there is no master planning. It has always been a "plugging the hole" approach but never a long term solution. Somebody has to step up sooner or later. Maybe this President might get something going?True. I have lived all my life in a third world country and only few times I went to a developed country. I still can't wrap my head around how corruption and greed is exactly similar both in PH and India and the method they follow to get more money is to the perfect T. Logically, It shouldn't be, PH and India are different in every aspect from Religion Hindu and Christian & cultural history and all and yet when it comes to corruption and making that extra money, they follow the exact path.

I was stuck in a similar deluge some years back in Mumbai, Mumbai became water world and over 5000 people died.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maharashtra_floods_of_2005

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The tone used by the journalist, government, people were exact. Lack of proper planning, low lying areas crowded due to squatter building homes near rivers and developers taking prime land, ineffective garbage disposal system and they all promised better hope and nothing happened and I can assure you. Nothing will change in Manila as well. All money for aid and better infrastructure projects will be swindled off.

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I understand this is a mongering forum, The reason, I'm saying this is. DO NOT FOR A SECOND. PIN YOUR HOPE that. Ohh well, lesson learned, next time it would be better, I can plan for holidays to Philippines, without any fear of flooding, the government has learned its lesson and things will improve. NO IT WON'T EVER.

Ondoy happened on September 23, 2009, This on August 7th. 8th. 2012. These are monsoon seasons. July, August, September are the months where you should be very careful on planning your holidays. This is the only lesson, we all should learn from this. Do not come to manila in these three months. I sound paranoid, well, thats what happens when you live on only HOPE in a third world country all your life with NO CHANGE.

I read in other forum PA, that many mongers got stuck in Manila, This is a wake up call for all. Remember, July, August, September month. Plan your holidays carefully and these rains are more like cloud burst, It all goes down in few hours time.

[LaserNut]

Add to this the denuding of tree cover in high elevations to the East in Rizal and Bulacan Provinces, which contributes to the rapid runoff that then deluges the Marikina River watershed and Laguna de Bay. In addition to low lying areas within flood plains, squatters often perch their shanties on steeply sloped land, which then gives way when the soil becomes saturated. Hence the deaths from a small mudslide in Quezon City.

My understanding of the Camanava area is that, in addition to taking runoff from Bulacan province to the North, much of it is also a tidal plain. I've seen areas in Malabon and Navotas that are under water during high tide, even without the rain. This area, like much of Metro Manila along Manila Bay is built on fill dropped onto terrain that was at one time mostly under water. And these areas are settling.Click on the thumbnail photo on the left hand side titled "Philippines capital still paralyzed by" then go to Photo #18 to see how the Bulacan Province runoff contributes to the flooding in the previously mentioned flood plain areas of Metro Manila.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world/asia/philippines-floods/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

[LaserNut]

Click on the thumbnail photo on the left hand side titled "Philippines capital still paralyzed by" then go to Photo #18 to see how the Bulacan Province runoff contributes to the flooding in the previously mentioned flood plain areas of Metro Manila.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world/asia/philippines-floods/index.html?hpt=hp_t3Http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world/asia/philippines-floods/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

They recently changed thumbnails so it's now located in "Flooding in the Philippines" on the LHS as Photo #26.

[Cunning Stunt]

Apparently there is another area of low pressure rapidly approaching and more heavy rain is forecast for next week.

Took this photo of the city mayor, going by, earlier this week.

...and one from inside the mall.

[Soapy Smith]

On the jet approaching Manila airport, looks like most of Luzon on the East side is submerged in salt water even in dry months.

It appears Luzon has a serious soil erosion problem where land is gradually taken over by the sea. Any bro has info about this problem in Luzon?The main runway is on bearings 06 and 24, so roughly Northeast and Southwest. As you approach from Southwest toward Northeast, you come over Bacoor Bay, which is a small piece of Manila Bay (salt water) sheltered behind Langley point, a long spit of land reaching out from Cavite City. Much of this water is quite shallow, and may sometimes appear murky. Approaching from the Northeast toward Southwest you are roughly parallel to part of EDSA, and the approach comes over Makati and Taguig City. As you are on the landing approach, if you look out the left side you might see Laguna de Bay. This is a large but relatively shallow fresh water lake. It's often murky from runoff out of Rizal and Laguna Provinces. But it also floods in heavy rain because its outlet is through the Marikina and Pasig Rivers, which get backed up and can't carry the water off quickly enough. I suspect this is what you saw.

[LukeSkywalker]

The East coast of Luzon has a lot of plots of farm land that look like they were cultivated. But most were half submerged in sea water as seen from the air when I was on a flight into Manila in Jan.

These are plots of farm land with levees on the coast line, not inside Manila.


The main runway is on bearings 06 and 24, so roughly Northeast and Southwest. As you approach from Southwest toward Northeast, you come over Bacoor Bay, which is a small piece of Manila Bay (salt water) sheltered behind Langley point, a long spit of land reaching out from Cavite City. Much of this water is quite shallow, and may sometimes appear murky. Approaching from the Northeast toward Southwest you are roughly parallel to part of EDSA, and the approach comes over Makati and Taguig City. As you are on the landing approach, if you look out the left side you might see Laguna de Bay. This is a large but relatively shallow fresh water lake. It's often murky from runoff out of Rizal and Laguna Provinces. But it also floods in heavy rain because its outlet is through the Marikina and Pasig Rivers, which get backed up and can't carry the water off quickly enough. I suspect this is what you saw.

[Soapy Smith]

Http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world/asia/philippines-floods/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

They recently changed thumbnails so it's now located in "Flooding in the Philippines" on the LHS as Photo #26.For those with a grudge against Manila taxi drivers, follow the same directions to Photo #33. Nature got your comeuppance:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/world/asia/philippines-floods/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

[StreetHawk]

WR and CT.

You're both of course 100% right. Complete stupidity. Common sense went out the window; knew it wasnt going to end well. This episode occured pre ISG membership. 2 and a half-3 years ago now and was my first trip to the PI and indeed, first mongering trip, having previously did a little in Seoul. I remember the 3rd world culture shock hitting me that trip. Felt very uneasy walking down del pilar even during the day. My thirst was certainly sated that night / morning (was at least 4am at the time). Made a catalogue of errors that trip, but not enough to negatively impact upon my trip too much. Still had a great time with the girls- well apart from one which I also mentioned in a previous report.

Needless to say I would never get myself into a predicament like that again. Just thought I'd get it off my chest as it related to a previous post.

Happy Hunting all!

[Soapy Smith]

The East coast of Luzon has a lot of plots of farm land that look like they were cultivated. But most were half submerged in sea water as seen from the air when I was on a flight into Manila in Jan.

These are plots of farm land with levees on the coast line, not inside Manila.Where this was on the East coast depends on where your flight originated. Were you coming from Australia, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Guam, or even a domestic flight from Samar or Tacloban? I have always flown from Incheon or Japan and have rarely seen the East coast of Luzon, but I also usually sit in aisle seats. One way you could sleuth this is to install Google Earth and then zoom to Manila. Then pull away, scroll to the East until you see the Pacific, bear down on the coast, and start scrolling North or South depending on your likely flight route. Most of the East coast from the latitude of Manila northward is pretty rugged terrain, with little flat land for farming. There are a few exceptions where rivers flow to the sea and leave alluvial silt deposits.

[Tally Wacker]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=45c_1344809246

[BrainDrain]

Yeah same thing with me on my 1st trip to Manila. It was my last night, I was half cut again and also had a thirst for danger / adventure. In greenbelt 3 I'd just came out of Hard Rock Cafe, wasn't much happening. A taxi driver followed me up the street trying to get me to go a bar I said no twice but he persisted and I thought fuck it don't know where else to go to find some action so I stupidly agreed to go.Thanks for posting and sharing. I'm not sure I would have known what to do. A simialr scam happened to me in London, relatively safer, had my guard down and got scammed anyway. We live and learn. And thanks to your post, I always pick my own taxis.

[Red Kilt]

. Most of the East coast from the latitude of Manila northward is pretty rugged terrain, with little flat land for farming. There are a few exceptions where rivers flow to the sea and leave alluvial silt deposits.Ummm Skip I think you have erred a little in your prognostications.

From Manila latitude and northwards out to the east you have the Rice and Corn basket of the Philippines. All through Nueva Ecija, Nueva Viscaya, Isabela and Cagayan these are the prime producing lands of Northern Luzon. I have around 10 hectares of my own ricefields farmed by my wife's family.

I am not sure what boundaries you are putting on your statement that "most of the East coast from the latitude of Manila northward is pretty rugged terrain, with little flat land for farming", but for me most of the eastern side of the Cordilleras as far north to Aparri and across to the Pacific is very much flat and fertile.

[Soapy Smith]

Ummm Skip I think you have erred a little in your prognostications.

From Manila latitude and northwards out to the east you have the Rice and Corn basket of the Philippines. All through Nueva Ecija, Nueva Viscaya, Isabela and Cagayan these are the prime producing lands of Northern Luzon. I have around 10 hectares of my own ricefields farmed by my wife's family.

I am not sure what boundaries you are putting on your statement that "most of the East coast from the latitude of Manila northward is pretty rugged terrain, with little flat land for farming", but for me most of the eastern side of the Cordilleras as far north to Aparri and across to the Pacific is very much flat and fertile.I posted a reply in the General Information Thread.

[LukeSkywalker]

I felt very sad for the people of Luzon with their cultivated fields on the east side of the island taken over by the ocean.

However, this problem is not the focus of this forum, and not worth losing your cool over.

[FreebieFan]

In and amongst the various handbags that are going on between the seniors (Freebie staying out of it. Wow. Thats rare!) just wanted to make a post about my forthcoming trip. Will be my last Manila trip this year as I'm moving to a place some distance (5 +hours) from Manila and suspect that future trips will be supervised. Well I've had about 5 years of unsupervised trips so I got quite lucky.

Anyways the agenda thus far arranged is that sat am will be 5 hours of pleasure with the 18 year old who gave me her cherry. And as luck would have it, one fine senior member here also arranged a female photographer so I will have some "material" to enjoy when I'm far away from Manila.

She will be followed by a 38 kg cutie who needs some loving. She's a regular and her house flooded etc. Very down and a night with Freebie will do her good. And probably me lots of good. Thought about doing 3 in a day as in previous trips but its just too tiring.

Sunday morning will be a repeat cutie from Alabang who is up for a video in the shower. The cams going to be working overtime.

And in the afternoon will be one girl who was a happy model and great BJ artist last trip. This time she will bring 2 friends, told her I have 3 bikinis and that got a good reaction so maybe its all 3 in the shower. More SD cards needed!

For Monday and Tuesday I haven't made any plans. Theres plenty out there and I have plenty of numbers so we will see who shows up.

Report will be posted, hard drives and SD cards will be hidden away and that will be Manila 2012 over and done.

But Freebie will be resurrected in a new environment and hes already chatting with a few pinays there, so am sure pinay pussy is just around the corner.

This boards got some fine guys on it, and I've had the priviledge to have met a few. All are Gold medallists of Mongering. I've always tried to achieve a PB on every trip, although it was hard to beat my record of 9 in 86 hours.

But then again I'm from Yorkshire and I think Yorkshire came 7th in the medals table LOL beating most countries. LOL.

[Cunning Stunt]

But then again I'm from Yorkshire and I think Yorkshire came 7th in the medals table LOL beating most countries. LOL.Remind me again, did we finish ahead of the Aussies...hahaha.

Sorry to hear about your impending wing clipping. I'm sure that you swan song will be momentous!

[Wicked Roger]

Remind me again, did we finish ahead of the Aussies. Hahaha.

Sorry to hear about your impending wing clipping. I'm sure that you swan song will be momentous!And please remember to post the video clips FF. Am sure where you are going there will be pinays (well I know there are!)

Best tell the ladies that CS, AR, RK and WR et al are all good fellas and happy to pick up the slack after your departure LOL

[Willa1]

Hi.

I am heading to Manila next week. Unfortunately, not much time to play. Will be staying at the Acacia hotel in Alabang area of Las Pinas. Anything of interest nearby? I will be able to get over to MBC on Friday night. But looking for anything close to the hotel for Wednesday or Thursday. I will send a report. And can help if anyone needs references for Germany, France, Shanghai or Beijing. Thanks for the help. Either here or thru PM.

Will

[Bad Brains]

I'm Manila bound in T-minus 6 days!

Are the streets flooded still? How Deep? I usually stay in the Malate area, but I will move on if its a lake. Otherwise Ill just stay in the airport for the next flight to BKK.

The media always shows the worst in order to sell news, so I am aprehensive about going. How about a ground zero report fellas?

[Kartolo]

I'm Manila bound in T-minus 6 days!

Are the streets flooded still? How Deep? I usually stay in the Malate area, but I will move on if its a lake. Otherwise Ill just stay in the airport for the next flight to BKK.

The media always shows the worst in order to sell news, so I am aprehensive about going. How about a ground zero report fellas?I arrived in Manila via Clark to meet my girl two days ago. I was surprised to be offered free transport from Clark to Manila courtesy of Resort World Casino opposite NAIA. Just fill in a form and get a temporary membership card.

I stayed in Makati and the weather was just fine. In fact the air and streets were cleaner after the storms. Didn't see any signs of floods and storms except for the empty giant biilboards along NLEX. Maybe they were torn and blown by the storms.

According to weather reports Tropical Storm 'Helen' has already left the Philippines and there is any signs of storms, at least for the next few days. Currently I am in AC and there are light to moderate intermittent rain throughout the day. In fact the Manila weather was better than the weather here.

[GoodEnough]

I'm Manila bound in T-minus 6 days!

Are the streets flooded still? How Deep? I usually stay in the Malate area, but I will move on if its a lake. Otherwise Ill just stay in the airport for the next flight to BKK.

The media always shows the worst in order to sell news, so I am aprehensive about going. How about a ground zero report fellas?Those who live there have more current information than I do, but as of Wednesday, when I arrive, through Firday morning, when I left, traffice was a bit worse than usual because of the constant drizzle but everything was reasonably normal. I made it from the airport to the New World in Makati in about 25 minutes. I stayed within the Makati. Ortigas area and the streets in these sections weren't flooded. I can't comment on Malate.

GE

[Gangles]

I have stayed in Las Pinas a couple of times, and I have neveer seen, or been referred to, any form of P4P venue. I guess they are there, but I have to assume that they are locals only, and pretty seedy.

If you find anything, please post.

G


Hi.

I am heading to Manila next week. Unfortunately, not much time to play. Will be staying at the Acacia hotel in Alabang area of Las Pinas. Anything of interest nearby? I will be able to get over to MBC on Friday night. But looking for anything close to the hotel for Wednesday or Thursday. I will send a report. And can help if anyone needs references for Germany, France, Shanghai or Beijing. Thanks for the help. Either here or thru PM.

Will

[WestCoast1]

Sunday morning will be a repeat cutie from Alabang who is up for a video in the shower. The cams going to be working overtime.Charge an extra battery in advance (better safe than sorry)! Shame we don't have a way to post short vid clips here (or somewhere).

[Starchild2012]

I'm Manila bound in T-minus 6 days!

Are the streets flooded still? How Deep? I usually stay in the Malate area, but I will move on if its a lake. Otherwise Ill just stay in the airport for the next flight to BKK.

The media always shows the worst in order to sell news, so I am aprehensive about going. How about a ground zero report fellas?Yes. It is ok for now. Unfortunately, There is another storm brewing in the pacific now called "Igme" and would intensify in the next few days.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/regions/08/20/12/igme-gets-stronger-remains-stationary

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/253608/igme-strengthens-but-moving-slowly

http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.aspx?publicationsubcategoryid=200&articleid=840026

MANILA, Philippines – Tropical storm "Igme" has intensified further as it remains stationary, the weather bureau said on Monday. As of 4 a. M, PAGASA said Igme was located 300 kilometers east southeast of Aparri, Cagayan.

From a previous wind strength of 75 kilometers per hour, Igme is now packing maximum sustained winds of 85 kph near the center with gustiness of up to 100 kph. Storm warning signal number 1 remains hoisted over Isabela and Cagayan.

PAGASA forecaster Bernie de Leon said the storm is expected to stay within the Philippine Area of Responsibility (PAR) for 2 to 4 more days if it maintains it slow northward movement. De Leon said Igme continues to intensify the southwest monsoon (habagat) , bringing rains over the western section of Luzon and Visayas.

He said the western section of northern Luzon which includes Benguet, Baguio, Pangasinan, La Union, Ilocos Sur and Ilocos Norte are at risk for possible landslide and flashfloods. PAGASA said estimated rainfall amount from Igme ranges from 5 to 15 millimeters per hour (moderate. Heavy) within its 500-km diameter.

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As I said before, its a Typhoon season in the PH till September, so anything can happen. Even though the storm could pass over north luzon and even change direction and not directly hit Manila at all. We could see more rain in the coming days, Plus if we calculate the risk. Is it worth it? Landing in Manila Airport, one of the worst in the world, in the middle of torrential rain and storm. Few drops in the landing strip and they will cancel all inbound and outbound flights, so even BKK bound flights will be canceled.

I would hate to say, don't come and not trying to scare you. But if possible change your plans to Cebu, relatively flood, storm free now a days and you could get the same fun as in Malate not quite like A / see but still Cebu has loads and loads of fun. More bars and freelancers in Cebu than malate by a wide margin now a days. For more info on cebu. Ask regular members in Cebu section. Good luck

[Bad Brains]

Here is a link to a government flood zone map. Not real time but looks to be updated frequently.

http://noah.dost.gov.ph

[FreebieFan]

Arrived as always at 4am courtesy of Cebu Pacfic. A very unsexy arrival time.

Bed by 5am and up at 8am to meet the 18 year old student. Met her, then met the " photographer" arranged by one of this boards fabulous members.

Back to my place, and 90 minutes of video and camera work followed, all positions, all rooms, all angles. Was good fun. My student wasnt shy at all to do this.

Dropped the photographer after 90 mins, then returned for more fun. My gal just loves to be fucked. She was a bit sad when she realised that I couldn't copy her the videos to her mem stick as her mem stick full.

Anyways drop her off and meet another great member of the board for some drinks and talk about detective stories. Yes we don't always talk about sex. But mostly we do.

Off to wait for my 21 year old 38 kg cutie who I have met on previous trips. Was a bit delayed as she had to ride a boat to the taxi stand. Anyways she's tall, long legs, short shorts and the guys with wives were all seriously jealous as we walked around Bonifacio high street. Few drinks there then to the balcony for lots of naked open air sex.

Took her for breakfast (with a nice wake up bonk first!) then head for sundays first appointment. Met her before and the second meeting was intended to be better. From some angles this girl is plain, from others good looking. Anyways get to my place, and clothes off and I start fingering her. First I find something very hard on one of her labia, dunno if its a wart or whatever. Anyways she says it hurts when I finger her. I suggest she goes to a doctor. She says " what for?". I settle for two pleasant blows over 2 hours.

Give her P600 and she's takes taxi home.

Met up with Ms 21, a girl from Taguig. She had happily modelled slutwear as well as benig a happy bonk last time. This time lots more shots with some fabulous rear angle pussy open shots. Great body. Was a good fun Sunday afternoon session with a nice long bonk and blow to finish.

Did make a funny mistake when I saw a Bush on her of saying " I thought you were shaved last time". She gave me a look and said " I've never shaved. Hey when you bonk so many its hard to keep track of who shaves and who doesn't.

Go out for drinks with a friend and end up in Rogues. My mate is trying to get a blow from the mamasan, and some girl attaches herself to me. She tells me she's Rogues " superstar" and all men are hot for her. I tell her she's not my type, and I'm well shagged by now so she runs off in a huff. No worries, I drive off and pick up the 38kg cutie again. Get to my place and she says " I have period!". I think " thank goodness for that, I can rest!". I get a blow on the balcony.

Next day travel to Canlubang on business then head to Festival Mall to meet girl I've been chatting with for a while. She had period on last trip so our meet was canceled. This time all good. She was a bit late, but wow. Long tall legs, skinny jeans, great long straight hair and a happy smile. She's 27 and only had one bf before. I was to be her second guy. She was one of those girls thats really sweet and easy to be with. 42 kgs and really slim rock hard waist. So much nicer than the softening Jollibee inspired bellies we all see.

I was only going to keep her for a few hours as I intened to meet a 19 year old. But she was so sweet decided she could stay all night.

Well we made some more guys with wives jealous, as she looked stunning when we went out for dinner / drinks. With great long legs. Then back to my place, and balcony sex. She kept squealing " I've never been naked outside before.". Think we had a few rounds in the night, woke up tired but thats normal for me in Manila.

Anyways, dropped her off in the morning, (she asked for P600 bus fare as she's from Lipa) had a peaceful (and alone) breakfast. Then picked up the 18 year old student for another session. She was sad as she knew I'm leaving, but she put a lot of effort into our 3 hours.

From there I was anticipating a peaceful afternoon. But no. A girl who hadn't replied to me from 24 hours before was sending endless texts saying " I'm here Freebie, please come pick me up ". Ok she had been fun on the previous meet so I did. Sadly she had put on a lot of weight in past 2 months, and I wasnt turned on. Anyways I shaved her, got a nice long vid of her blowing and tit wanking me, and then I turned her loose after an hour. No more bullets no more load and certainly no more energy.

So that was Freebies last shot at Paradise. Take care guys. Enjoy the girls. I'm still around ISG, ocassionally causing a shit storm and reporting from places eleswhere.

[Screaming Beaver]

No more bullets no more load and certainly no more energy. So that was Freebies last shot at Paradise. Take care guys. Enjoy the girls.I'm going to miss that guy. He always made me laugh. Au revoir mon petit implant pénien de clown.

[FreebieFan]

I'm going to miss that guy. He always made me laugh. Au revoir mon petit implant pénien de clown.I can't be arsed to reply to you. Your that insignificant.

[Starchild2012]

So that was Freebies last shot at Paradise. Take care guys. Enjoy the girls. I'm still around ISG, ocassionally causing a shit storm and reporting from places eleswhere.Good luck. Hope to see you come back soon into action. You were one of my inspiration long time back to start fun in manila.

[FreebieFan]

Good luck. Hope to see you come back soon into action. You were one of my inspiration long time back to start fun in manila.Thanks for the comment. Appreciate the kudos. And Yes, I will be back in action soon enough.

[Wicked Roger]

So that was Freebies last shot at Paradise. Take care guys. Enjoy the girls. I'm still around ISG, ocassionally causing a shit storm and reporting from places eleswhere.Have fun in the new destination. I know there are pinays there LOL.

Should have asked the photographer for a blow job as she is an excellent BJ and has taught more than one memeber's cutie how to do it properly LOL

As for SB. One wonders if he will disappear instead to another board. Preferably one we don't read! Jackson any chance he can have his own palce like DS and others.

Am sure the 'dectective' discussion was around how not geting caught by the missus, or how to DNA the condo properly. CIS techniques that can be classed as 'dectective' LOL.

See you in the new place, that will be fun FF

[Member #4387]

Finaly back "home" in Bangkok after 3 rather hecktic days in Manila. I did an all-in mongering. Intensively speaking.

1. Arrived from Jakarta (via Kuala Lumpur) rather late and thanks to not following all good advices inside here and on other forums I allready manage to fuck up at the airport. I was looking for the recommended yellow taxis could not find so jumped a nice offer from some nice overcharging guy asking for 750piso from Terminal 3 to Boulevard Mantion Hotel. Nice going. But I was tired I wanted to jump into the action as fast as possible.

Boulevard Mantion is a rather shitty hotel. I know that now and I thank you from friendly members inside here stating this upfront. You were right. No internet connection (atleast next to nothing) but location is good if you want to go to Manila Bay Cafe (that is only 3 minutes away. Walking in normal pace. And no sweating). I have to say that my 1 bedroom suite was ok and clean with fridge (which I like) but the setup and no inroom safe gives it a rather shabby look or feel.

Day 1. Wednesday / Thursday:

Threw my bags in the room, washed my dick and headed for MBC. It was packed downstairs and I was. And I kid you not attecked by 4 ladies after only 30 sec in that place. I ran upstairs and even if there were a bit more relaxed athmosphere here 2 ladies soon came towards me. And 2 more. But atleast not in attackmode as downstairs. I ended up with 2 nice "friends" claiming they had done 3 some before and were into ladyaction as well. Licking, kissing eachother and so on. They did not lie. It was a nice session and it did not end until late Thursday afternoon. I had multiple popps inside each of them, doing various possitions and even ass was allowed (after some nagging from my side). I did also have a condommishap which was discovered by the girl finding the condom inside her snatch while I was pounding the other one. I guess I will by my anthibiotics at my regular provider here in BKK tomorrow. But I wrapped in inside new condoms. Try to act wise this time. So before the reactions starts. Yes I know the risks barebacking but this was a mishap and could happen to anyone of us. I gave them 2000 each as reward for nice workout session. Name Renate and Jamaica. 30 years. Not stunning beautiful but all in all satisfied. The names and age are just provided here as they told me. I did no investigation whatsoever because I don't give a shit what their names realy are. I am not going to grow old with them anyway.

Day 2. Thursday / Friday:

Felt drenched and relatively not so horny. Scary! Went to MBC to have a burger and the burger was beeing accompanied with a couple of coackroaches running around my plate. Had to skip and went to Robinson to have decent meal in TGI Fridays and a few Long Island Teas. Headed in MBC again to pick up a nice girl for ST action as a evening fuck before hading out. Nice boobs though and she was incredible nice fuck so I had to popps in relatively short time. She was somewhat a bit unhappy with her compensation of 1500piso and claimed she could not go back to MBC now bcs she was embarrassed to tell her friends how low rate she got. I told her to lie. As a nice piece of advice. I have been reading through this forum and others quite a lot and I have from that information found out that ST is around 1000 and LT around 2000 and up ofcourse. Did I pay her to low rate or is the prices changing without me notecing?

Later that night I was planning to go to Havana Cafe. But I got a useless driver and me having no internetconnection so I forgot that Havana Cafe is in Burgos Str. I guess that would have done the trick but anyway I am not only blaming the driver I put some on myself as well. Driving around Manila with this driver trying to find Havan Cafe I suddenly saw a Insomnia. I told myself. What the fuck I try this one. I had no expectation whatsoever only beeing to Insomnias in Bangkok and Pattaya. Quite good actually. Not a freelanceplace I think. But after some bar sitting / drinking one girl in nice white suite place herself next to me. Not contacting me or anything. I treat her for a drink and she claimes to be a casinoagent, hehe, well she admitted she was freelancing tonight so that was it. Went to KTV (her and a friend. Don't ask me where but decent place).

Nice nice and fun girl but could not do much bcs I was worn out from fucking to much in the beginning of my stay. Got her contactinfo so we could meet up later. Sad but true and not her fault. She seemed as good as they get in this business. Long legged and nice titties.

[WestCoast1]

Went to MBC to have a burger and the burger was beeing accompanied with a couple of coackroaches running around my plate. Had to skip and went to Robinson to have decent meal in TGI Fridays and a few Long Island Teas. Headed in MBC again to pick up a nice girl for ST action as a evening fuck before hading out. Nice boobs though and she was incredible nice fuck so I had to popps in relatively short time. She was somewhat a bit unhappy with her compensation of 1500piso and claimed she could not go back to MBC now bcs she was embarrassed to tell her friends how low rate she got. I told her to lie. As a nice piece of advice. I have been reading through this forum and others quite a lot and I have from that information found out that ST is around 1000 and LT around 2000 and up ofcourse. Did I pay her to low rate or is the prices changing without me notecing?Your rate was about right. 1500 for ST is typical, or even 2000. A girl who is fine with 1500 for ST is usually good for 2000-3000 for LT. You should have negotiated the price and joys before leaving the bar with her. One of the girls fav tactics is this: She is fine, in her mind, for 1500 for ST. But, because you didn't discuss it up front, when you hand her 1500, she will right away pretend to be upset, and ask for a ridiculously high price (3-5K) , saying she usually gets that amount. You will feel a bit like a heel, and hand her another 1000. Its just a way to up her total for the evening; she's not really upset, its just acting. On the other hand, I also got girls for 1000 both MBC and GPoint by promising them 2-hours / 1-pop (since I rarely go two pops). Your price was fine.

[Jp Slicky]

Tell the taxi driver to take you to Green Belt 3, Havana is there

[Member #4387]

Friday / Saturday:

Slept late after finishing KTV around 6. I woke up alone. Was feeling horny again so I taxied to Robinson (the only place nearby where I can get decent and most importantly clean meal) and ATM`s working. My Norwegian cards are normaly not picky but in Manila I experienced great problems. And we don't want to run out of pussymoney do we? But some nice ones (atm) did work so no problem. Spotted some nice talent at Starbucks but nothing happened. I was feeling kind of tired and not to fresh so I decided to meet up with the "casinoagent" from this early morning (part 1 and 2). Her name according to herself is Jenny and she was throwing herself in Taxi and we met in my place 1 hour later. Wow nice fuck. She was realy friendly and let me do everything to her (well I am not a maniac but everything within reason I guess). She stayed with me for many hours. We went back to Robinson to grab dinner at TGI Fridays. Headed back for midlate evening action. Jenny, claimed to be 30, she takes it everywhere and had realy good performance skills. I will try to load up my pics from her (no nudes). I gave her 2500 plus additional dinner and some drinks.

While finaly alone I lost track of all my good ideas for where I planned to go. Internet did not work as usual so I did it easy and headed for MBC 2 floor. One from the 3some showed up as soon as I arrived but I told her I buy her a drink if she would go. I wanted new talent. I saw this great looking young waitress realy looking hot hot. She came over with a colleague. They showed to be of great fun and created a good mood. I almost forgot I was mongering. We had a couple of bottles of vodka and everyone turned shitfaced. I don't know the exact deal of the waitresses in this place but she accepted to come to my place when her shift ended at 7am. I left at 5 or sth. I did not have any hopes she did want to show up but I was just hoping. She did show up even with a friend. Since I was a bit low of energy I did not feel like 2 girls again so I told my friend to send off her friend so she did (I don't know if they both intended to fuck me or if the extra just wanted a decent place to stay).

Wow she got undressed and what a thight youngster. Nice firm everything. Did not have the usual regular pussyprovider skills so I guess maby she does not do this regulary (who cares). Atleast we fucked in every possition I could think of (beeing somewhat tired) and she did take my load in her mouth and swallowed. I was surprised but I claimed it to be healthy in case she did not know from before.

We did sleep for a bit and we had another round of fucking when waking up. She left 2ish. I gave her 3000 bcs she is hardly a regular sexworker. So this will not destroy anything. I told her all the normal rates for people in the business but since she was extremely friendly and a great fuck. She did get somewhat higher rate. Well worth and I think she needed the money. She looked healthy, fresh and unexperienced. A real darling. Will not reveal any of her contactinfo bcs I have not asked her and I don't know if they actually are allowed to go with customers. If someone want to meet her you know where. But be nice she deserves it.

Hm I will not say to much of the city bcs I don't have a clu. ATM does not work everywhere and they fill them up rare (atleast in Boulevard Mantion area, hehe) , beautiful girls and nice Robinson shoppingmall. Airport surprisingly modern and fast fast.

[Sir Lancelot]

Two years ago I went to Philippines and had one of my best sex tours, meeting some of the sexiest pay-for-play girls I've met in Asia. Would this trip be as successful? I&8200; was excited as my plane took off from Manchester for the long flight. I would be spending 22 days in Philippines and planned to spend time in Manila, Angeles and Cebu. Please note, this diary was written in March this year but I have been unable to post it sooner for a variety of reasons.

MARCH 2012.

DAY 1, Saturday: Manila.

On the long flight from England I chatted with a German girl who was heading to Manila to do some voluntary work. She was reasonably pretty and I noticed she had nice curves when she reached for her luggage from the overhead locker. I toyed with the idea of trying to get her number but then remembered that I was heading to Philippines, where there would be no shortage of gorgeous girls vying for my attention. I don't travel to the other side of the world to wine and dine a girl, I come to have sex and lots of it.

We touched down in Manila at 10. 30pm. The immigration queue at Ninoy Aquino International Airport was chaotic and slow-moving. I got a metered taxi from the airport but because it was Saturday night, there was even more traffic than usual. My cab crawled towards Roxas Boulevard and I noticed Heritage Hotel, a landmark for the EDSA gogo bars, as well as neon signs for 'karaoke bars' and 'gentlemens clubs'. 'The fun starts here' I thought to myself.

I chose to stay at AMAZONIA again in Ermita, due to its close proximity to Asia's premier venue to find freelancer hookers, Manila Bay Café. The taxi-fare came to 310 pesos. Amazonia is a large bar with a hotel above. The entrance to the hotel is on the side-street and the reception desk is up two flights of stairs. I was disappointed to find that my favourite rooms were taken so I was shown to a 'standard room' at the front of the hotel. The room was basic but it had a large double bed, its own bathroom, a small TV and a safe, for 1250 pesos per night. You don't stay at Amazonia for quality of rooms though, it's all about the location.

It was midnight and after 18 hours of travel, there was a temptation to collapse on to my bed and fall asleep. But here I was in Manila on a Saturday night with a bar packed with available girls a short walk away. To fall asleep would be a crime! I wanted to hit the ground running on this trip, so had a quick wash, got changed in to some respectable clothes and headed out. The hunt was on for my first girl.

MANILA BAY CAFÉ is a large green building situated on the end of a block on Marcelo H del Pilar. It took just one minute to walk there from Amazonia. I felt a thrill as I approached. Two years ago it had been a rich hunting ground for me and I wondered whether the bar would deliver the same quality of girls in 2012.

I arrived just after midnight and got patted down by security at the entrance. Not much has changed inside. There is a circular bar surrounded by stools and on the far left is a busy area with pool tables. But the first thing I noticed were the girls. There were hundreds of them, everywhere I looked. A waitress ushered me to a stool at the bar, where a 40 year old Filipino woman introduced me to two younger girls sat next to her. One was good-looking with a very pretty smile, the type of girl I would definitely consider. We chatted for ten minutes but I didn't want to commit myself to a girl so soon, so stood up to go and explore. 'You give me tip? 50 pesos, so I can eat? ' asked the older lady. I'm not sure why there is any need for a 'pimp' set-up in Manila Bay Café. It's easy to meet girls and they generally speak good English too, so what is the point of a 'go-between'? She would expect a tip of more than 50 pesos if I decided to take one of 'her' girls back to my hotel, that's for sure. I had encountered a similar set-up at Top Gun in Jakarta the year before.

It is staggering how many girls there are at Manila Bay Café. They stand three or four deep surrounding the bar, meeting your eye and smiling when you walk past. You can feel their eyes following you as you walk around. Some girls are young and some of the older ones probably have three kids, but there is a high percentage of fuckable ones. There were probably 200 girls and just 40 customers. Definitely a 'target-rich environment'.

There is a large bar area upstairs, where I found most of the pretty girls on my last trip. It costs 100 pesos to enter so generally it contains girls who are confident they will recoup their costs and get a customer. On the left is an area where a band plays and there are tables in the middle where you can eat. To the right is a large bar where Korean customers mainly congregate. Disappointingly though, the whole upstairs floor was extremely quiet. A band was playing Bob Marley cover versions but there were just a few people watching and hardly any girls. On my last trip this area was a great place to fish. You could pretend to watch the band while making eye contact with pretty girls, but not tonight. Despite it being Saturday night, the place was dead. I sang along to 'One Love' for a while ('let's get together and feel all right') which seemed fitting as I walked back to the bear-pit downstairs.

I squeezed past the girls surrounding the bar and stood in my favourite place, a prime spot next to the ladies toilets. You can pretend to watch people playing pool but really you are there to gauge the quality of girls as they walk in to the rest-room. Girls in Manila Bay Café spend a lot of time in there. In fact most girls head straight there as soon as they arrive to 'freshen up' or apply their makeup. As a result it's the perfect place to scout for talent. If you see a girl you like, give her a smile as she walks in and then say 'hello' when she walks back out again. A couple of girls were playing pool including one with a 5/10 face but a figure-hugging dress that showed off a sexy hour-glass figure. Her opponent had all the makings of a hustler. She looked sweet and innocent but potted everything in sight.

An attractive girl in a red dress stood next to me, the prettiest I'the seen so far. I smiled towards her and she smiled back. Her name was Frentie and not only did she have a lovely face and long curly hair, she had an air of elegance about her. She was the type of girl I could imagine seeing in one of the top-end gogo bars. Unfortunately she acted like a princess though. At one point I was admiring her red high-heels when she said 'don't look me up and down like that'. I had to laugh. Here I was in Manila Bay Café, being told by a working girl not to look at her body! Although she said it in a jokey way, she had the hallmarks of a 'starfish'. A pretty girl who would just lie back during sex and leave an hour after entering my room. On the plus side she'the be a 'trophy girl' for my first night in Manila. She was young and extremely pretty, a 9/10 in my books.

Frentie went to weave her magic on a middle-aged Asian man sitting alone nearby. A group of three girls saw that I was unaccompanied and walked over. 'Hello, what your name? ' one of them said. The questions are always the same ('what your name? Where you from? Where you stay? '). They were nice girls but I wasn't interested, although the one who did most of the talking had a nice figure. As I was answering their rat-a-tat-tat questions, I saw a 10/10 girl walk past with very pale skin, sexy slanty eyes and a spider tattoo on her shoulder. Wow. She walked up to an elderly man at the bar and stood at his side. He'the be taking her back to his hotel that night for sure. I made a mental note of her face and tattoo. I would look out for her next time I was in Manila Bay Café.

I moved to a new vantage point at the bottom of the stairs. It's a good position to see attractive girls walking around the bar. The problem with Manila Bay Café though is that prettier girls are shyer and more aloof, it's always the less attractive ones who are brave enough to approach. I'the see a pretty girl, smile at her and she'the smile back but then look away self-consciously.

I didn't have this problem when I visited LA Café last time. I took five girls and they were all fantastic. All were pretty and all-but-one delivered mind-blowing sex. On my first night I fucked big-boobed Jessica and on my second night Lina gave me one of the best blowjobs I've ever had. Stella provided me with some of the best sex I'the experienced in Asia (I fucked her four times) and I also fucked Diane, or 'Amazonian Princess' as I called her. She gave me kinky porn-style sex, biting my neck and clawing my back with her fingernails as we fucked. Only Alicia was a 'starfish' (and left early) but even she was fabulous looking.

If Manila Bay Café could deliver me the same kind of talent in 2012 that I enjoyed in 2010, I'the be a happy man.

Frentie walked up to me, looking dropdead gorgeous. 'I'm pregnant' she joked, 'and you are the father'. Haha. I like a girl with a sense of humour. 'We'll have to get married in the morning' I replied. But whenever I started to warm to her, she'the say something to put me off. 'Should we leave? ' she asked but when I tried to establish how much she replied 'one million pesos'. I joked that if we were married it would be free. She laughed and walked away. She was a sexy girl and had a fun sense of humour but I sensed that she wouldn't deliver in the bedroom and would charge a sky-high price for the privelege. My sixth sense is usually correct about these kind of things.

By now I'the had three beers and the cigarette smoke was making it difficult for me to keep my eyes open. Suddenly the long, exhausting day of travel caught up with me and I needed my bed. I considered taking Frentie for a quick 'trophy fuck' but inevitably she had latched on to another customer at the bar.

I walked out of Manila Bay Café alone. A girl would have been a bonus but I'the had a good time and had seen some very pretty girls, especially Frentie and The Girl With The Spider Tattoo. I hoped that I would see them both again.

On the short walk back to my hotel I passed three girls sat on a step outside the internet café. 'We go with you for 500 pesos' one said. They were average-looking at best so I didn't enquire whether 500 pesos was for all three of them. Outside Amazonia I heard a 'psst, psst' coming from the shadows. It was a tall, masculine looking 'girl' offering me a massage. I declined her / his offer. I got back to my room and fell asleep as soon as my head hit the pillow.

[Red Kilt]

Two years ago I went to Philippines and had one of my best sex tours, meeting some of the sexiest pay-for-play girls I've met in Asia. Would this trip be as successful? I&8200; was excited as my plane took off from Manchester for the long flight. I would be spending 22 days in Philippines and planned to spend time in Manila, Angeles and Cebu. Please note, this diary was written in March this year but I have been unable to post it sooner for a variety of reasons.Great report Sir L. Written in the enduring tradition of Whorist website where you learned your indisputable writing skills.

I am eager to read the next version.

Can you not upload all of them together? Your trip was March and this is end of August?

[Jocky01]

Curious about anyone's opinion on this but in say MANILA BAY CAFÉ what percentage of the girls would be cigarette smokers?

[Sir Lancelot]

Great report Sir L. Written in the enduring tradition of Whorist website where you learned your indisputable writing skills.

I am eager to read the next version.

Can you not upload all of them together? Your trip was March and this is end of August?Thank you very much for your nice words and I hope you enjoy reading. I was due to have my own section on whorist. Com with a weekly blog but it didn't happen after a small misunderstanding. Thommo and I were only ever meant for short-time haha.

Regarding uploading my diary all together. I tried doing that last trip but there is a word-limit for each post. Also my diary is so huge, I couldn't imagine anyone wanting to read in one go! I think it's about 50, 000 words. As for the delay in posting, I apologise for that but hopefully most of the information will still be accurate.

[Sir Lancelot]

Day 2, Sunday: Manila.

The traffic noise from the street below woke me up at 6am. It must have been loud for me to hear it over the air-con, which rumbled away noisily above my bed. I managed to get some more sleep thanks to ear-plugs but later that morning went to reception and asked to change room. I was shown to room 4 on the opposite side of the hotel. It cost the same price but thankfully was much quieter without the sound of traffic. As an added bonus the air-con unit sounded like it might have been serviced within the last century. I slept for another two hours.

My main task for the afternoon was to buy a new ruck-sack, since the zip had broken on my old one during the flight. As I approached ROBINSONS mall, I noticed a shifty looking man standing near the entrance. When he saw me he starting walking, quickening his pace so that he was walking alongside me. 'Hi' he said cheerily, 'I work as security at your hotel'. It's a common scam that ends with you being extorted for money somehow, usually by being taken to a bar where you get charged for 'lady company'. 'No hotel, I live in Manila' I replied with a smile.

Robinsons Mall has a reputation as a pick-up place. The French Baker and Starbucks, both on the ground floor, are talked about as places to meet girls because they are both near an entrance and have tables in front where girls can sit with you without looking like hookers. With time on your hands it could be a good way to get some bargain-basement banging. Some of the shop assistants are prime targets too. Get chatting and slip them your phone number when no-one is watching. Bear in mind that these are not working girls, they are 'good girls' who might be persuaded to spread their legs for a little extra cash. Discretion is key.

I found a good quality rucksack with enough side pockets and compartments to keep me happy. A male shop assistant with an effeminate voice asked 'are you certified single sir? '. 'You've got to be certified mad not to be these days' I joked. Why would you tie yourself down with a girlfriend when there are so many available girls in places like Philippines? I didn't say the last bit out loud of course.

MANILA BAY CAFÉ is open 24 hours a day. The better looking girls arrive in the evening but that's not to say that gems can't be found earlier. On my last trip I met a very pretty girl during the afternoon but unfortunately she was waiting to meet someone else. I walked in at 4. 30pm and a cool beer was very welcome given the blazing heat outside. During the afternoon a San Miguel costs 80 pesos as opposed to 110 pesos after 7pm.

There were half the number of girls of last night. I sat on a stool at the bar and was approached by two older girls, probably in their 30's. Neither appealed but they were good company. One of them nodded towards an elderly Korean man who was clinking glasses with some girls. 'Filipino girls like Korean men' she said. She held up three fingers and explained '3 inches. 3 minutes. 3,000 pesos'. I'd heard it before but laughed at her joke. She asked whether I'd like a massage. In terms of looks she was a 4/10 so I told her that I had jet-lag. 'Threesome is the perfect cure! ' she said with a big grin. You have to hand it to these girls, they've got some great sales technique.

I went for a walk around the bar and saw a 6/10 with a slim, sexy body playing pool. Playing pool is a common tactic for girls with good figures to showcase their assets. I remember once playing pool against a voluptuous ladyboy in Bangkok. She certainly knew how to pot her balls. An overweight girl with a 3/10 face sat next to me and started asking the usual questions. I'm too polite to tell a girl I'm not interested, so answered her questions with little enthusiasm. Sensing my lack of interest, she told me that she gives a good blowjob and asked 'what is your fantasy? '. I don't like girls who talk like this, I like sweet, innocent types. Plus my fantasy doesn't involve chubby girls with missing teeth.

I stayed for 90 minutes but didn't see any girls to set my pulse racing. There were a few good lookers but they were already sitting with customers. The nature of freelance bars though is that if you are patient, you can find pretty girls at any time of the day. Luck plays a big part. On the way out I recognized a curly haired girl I had chatted with two years earlier. She was drunk back then and was drunk now. I wondered whether she had sobered up at any point inbetween.

I went to G-POINT for dinner. It does good food and is also a place to pick up freelance hookers. It's easy to find. Heading away from Manila Bay Café, take the street that runs alongside Amazonia and at the next junction turn left on to Mabini Street. Walk down this road for a minute before turning right at the next junction on to Padre Faura St. G-Point is on the right between Watsons Store and the 7eleven.

It was 6. 30pm when I walked in. I sat down at an empty table and noticed five girls around a table nearby. They were wearing short skirts and tight tops, that showed off their figure. The bar had some cute staff including a very pretty waitress called Cheryl who smiled at me whenever she walked past. Was she just doing her job or was there a hidden message behind that lovely smile? Probably the former option I thought ruefully as she served me spring rolls and a Thai green curry. Most tables were taken by men sat on their own but near the door there was a middle-aged American man sat opposite a very pretty but very young looking Filipino girl (borderline legal I thought). They hardly spoke a word and she spent most of the time on her mobile phone.

When I finished my food I was approached by a tiny girl wearing tight denim shorts. Her name was Joanna and she had a huge smile. She danced sexily to the music and when she wiggled her tiny bum against my lap, I felt myself getting hard. She noticed with a grin. She offered to give me a massage for 500 pesos or short-time for 1500 but I declined her offer. She was a 6/10 and I wanted to go back to Manila Bay Café to find Frentie or The Girl With The Spider Tattoo.

I returned to MANILA BAY CAFÉ. Despite the fact that it was Sunday, it was busier than the night before and there were more pretty girls. I stood near the ladies toilets and saw three lovely girls walk past in five minutes. A tall girl in a white shirt smiled over to me and when I smiled back she took it as an invitation to walk over. Her name was Eloisa, she was 25 and she had an Indian look with brown skin and long, silky hair. Despite her bright pink lipstick, she had a shy manner and covered her mouth whenever she laughed, hiding her lovely smile. She was pretty and the time was only 8pm, so I figured that I could take her for short-time (2 hours) and then fuck another girl later. My target for this trip was 20 girls and I needed to get off to a good start.

I asked her how much she would charge for short-time. I had done my research so when she said 2500 pesos, I knew it was too much. I don't blame her for trying, she's just trying to make as much money as possible. 'I know the price' I said with a smile and she immediately lowered her price to 1500. We have a deal.

It took just a few minutes to walk back to my hotel. In the room we showered separately and then lay naked on the bed, kissing. She had a slim figure and small tits. She started sucking my dick and I stared at the ceiling and smiled – my holiday was finally under way! It was a shy blowjob. She knelt to the side of me and her long dark hair cascaded on to my chest, covering the action area. Although I was enjoying myself, I was eager to get between her legs. She lay on her back and I slid in to her, fucking her slowly as we kissed. It had been a few months since my last fuck so I relished giving her a good pounding as she gasped 'oh shit, oh shit'. Hopefully it wasn't a reflection on my performance.

Stupidly I had forgotten to leave the air-con on while I had been out so the room was hot. So I lay back and let Eloisa ride me in 'Asian cowgirl' (with her squatted, bouncing up and down on me with both feet on the bed). After a while I flipped her on to her back again and fucked her with her ankles on my shoulders. It was hot'and'sweaty sex so I pulled the condom off and let her finish me with a blowjob. This time she gave me a great view of her work and I shot my load in her mouth.

Afterwards she told me that she lived 3 hours away and worked in a phone shop. She worked as a working girl in Manila Bay Café for one weekend each month (this was her third month) and always returned to her province as soon as she'd been with a customer. She got changed and before she left I took a few photos. Unfortunately she tensed up in front of the camera and looked older.

Although my plan had been to go back to Manila Bay Café and find another girl, a severe case of jet-lag meant I fell asleep instead. I was reasonably pleased though as I'd fucked my first girl of the trip. 1 down. 19 to go.

[Red Kilt]

Thank you very much for your nice words and I hope you enjoy reading. I was due to have my own section on whorist. Com with a weekly blog but it didn't happen after a small misunderstanding. Thommo and I were only ever meant for short-time haha.

Regarding uploading my diary all together. I tried doing that last trip but there is a word-limit for each post. Also my diary is so huge, I couldn't imagine anyone wanting to read in one go! I think it's about 50, 000 words. As for the delay in posting, I apologise for that but hopefully most of the information will still be accurate.Haha Thommo always was a bit different and marched to a completely different drum. Has the prostate given out yet? I hope he is still going strong.

Re your diary.

I didn't mean uploading all in one post. I simply meant just add each Day as a separate post but do it all at once.

Of course, if you want to tease us with delayed gratification then that's also OK by me.

By the way, your attention to small details is excellent. I know MBC and that area well and your descriptions are excellent.

Honestly I don't know how you can actually stay in a place like Amazonia but I understand your rationale etc. I think it is great for short-time but I couldn't imagine staying there overnight but, as I said earlier, we all march to a different drum so good on you if it suits.

[AndyHo]

Hey guys,

I'm new to here. Which is the best place to look for freelancer in manila except from malate?

[Member #4152]

MANILA BAY CAFÉ is open 24 hours a day. The better looking girls arrive in the evening but that's not to say that gems can't be found earlier. On my last trip I met a very pretty girl during the afternoon but unfortunately she was waiting to meet someone else. I walked in at 4. 30pm and a cool beer was very welcome given the blazing heat outside. During the afternoon a San Miguel costs 80 pesos as opposed to 110 pesos after 7pm.I've found many gems during the days at MBC. Most of the gems I found have the same story."They're students in college that are cutting class or something and their families don't know about their secret double lives. They also do it to make some quick extra cash."

[Travelller]

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1320111]Day 2, Sunday: Manila.

"MANILA BAY CAFÉ is open 24 hours a day. The better looking girls arrive in the evening but that's not to say that gems can't be found earlier. On my last trip I met a very pretty girl during the afternoon but unfortunately she was waiting to meet someone else. I walked in at 4. 30pm and a cool beer was very welcome given the blazing heat outside. During the afternoon a San Miguel costs 80 pesos as opposed to 110 pesos after 7pm."

Hi Lancelot,

A good time to go to Manila Bay Club is morning. Last year I went there twice at 11 am. No guys in there, only a waitress and some 15 girls. Most of them young, but eager and flexible with rates. Nothing as good as a great fuck in the morning.

[MrHombre]

"Her name was Eloisa, she was 25 and she had an Indian look with brown skin and long, silky hair. Despite her bright pink lipstick, she had a shy manner and covered her mouth whenever she laughed, hiding her lovely smile. She was pretty and the time was only 8pm, so I figured that I could take her for short-time (2 hours) and then fuck another girl later. My target for this trip was 20 girls and I needed to get off to a good start.

I asked her how much she would charge for short-time. I had done my research so when she said 2500 pesos, I knew it was too much. I don't blame her for trying, she's just trying to make as much money as possible. 'I know the price' I said with a smile and she immediately lowered her price to 1500. We have a deal."

But even the sweet ones catch on to pricing, LOL. Nice find, nice start.

[Econo Tech]

i've found many gems during the days at mbc. most of the gems i found have the same story."they're students in college that are cutting class or something and their families don't know about their secret double lives. they also do it to make some quick extra cash."even those girls working in angeles, the parents / sibling believe they are only working as waitress, and of course, when the girl gets into a police raid, the girls' parents / siblings will cry [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) by the police.

even if the girl doesn't come home at night, if she is workign in a bar near home, the family trusts her that she is not fuxking. oh, well, as long as the money comes, all is forgiven.

[Arxaello]

Hi guys,

I'm visiting Manila for the first time soon (only 2 days there).

I've been reading the forum for few days in order to optimize my stay. But so far I couldn't find posts on body2body massage or nuru massage, which is my favorite.

Is there some massage parlor in Manila which offer such services, like in Indonesia or Thailand?

Thanks

[WestCoast1]

More newbs, more questions.


Hey guys,

I'm new to here. Which is the best place to look for freelancer in manila except from malate?And nothing to contribute.


Hi guys,

I'm visiting Manila for the first time soon (only 2 days there).

I've been reading the forum for few days in order to optimize my stay. But so far I couldn't find posts on body2body massage or nuru massage, which is my favorite.

Is there some massage parlor in Manila which offer such services, like in Indonesia or Thailand?

ThanksNada. Zip. Zero. Nothing. And neither one have a PM. Pay up the membership, dudes.

[Member #4387]

2 of the ladies I fucked in Manila must have obtained my phone number. This is what have showed up in my inbox so far from the Philippino side of the world:

"Skogis how are you? This is Jenny, I don't have work I resign becos family problem, please help me!"

I answered through sms:

"Good luck. Help I need money my mother is sick. Can you help me I have accident, buffalo sick and so on. Shame on you I know all this shit"

Her reply:

"Ok don't believe me? U said U help me, but it is true I don't have work anymore they terminate me bcos of you. They know what happened between us you know, now you not help me to have money to find work, if I have job then I don't need your money. U lier!"

Did not reply anymore.

"Hello Renate here remember me? From Man Bay Cafe. I am so sorry for this but I need you help me with money you think you can do this. Just for a while. Someone I family are not so good so hospital have to go to. Expensive you see? (and then she gives me her contactdetails for moneytransfers)"

Hm what can I say. This has never happened to me even in Thailand where I hear about this all the time.

You don't need to advice me NOT to send money bcs that is so far out of the question so you would not know. I have provided these ladies with money according to the going rate for LT`s.

But it is funny though.

Just beeing curious. Anyone ever pay ladies like this (I guess it is otherwice they would probably not try)?

[MadisonGuy]

Hi guys,

I'm visiting Manila for the first time soon (only 2 days there).

I've been reading the forum for few days in order to optimize my stay. But so far I couldn't find posts on body2body massage or nuru massage, which is my favorite.

Is there some massage parlor in Manila which offer such services, like in Indonesia or Thailand?

ThanksI'd try craigslist and get it straight to your hotel. I'm not a fan of MPs because they are usually not that clean. Plenty of anything in Manila though, I would hit up Manila Bay Cafe find a girl who wants to give you a massage, more to pick from and I always have the girl test by rubbing my shoulders, I can tell in seconds if she will be good at massage or bad.

[D Cups]

[quote=sir lancelot; 1320111]day 2, sunday: manila.

"manila bay café is open 24 hours a day. the better looking girls arrive in the evening but that's not to say that gems can't be found earlier. .yes, i'll vouch for that. i've had good finds there at 4 am. 7 am. 10 am. 1 pm. 4 pm. 7 pm. 10 pm and midnight if you don't find anything you like (say, big boobs, for example) ask the girl who is hitting on you or looking at you and she may call a friend who has them. this has worked for me many times. i have had some really nice, busty beauties from mbc. i don't mind paying them a little extra for overnight, exceptional service. i love mmc! bought the orange t-shirt and headband from there and told the girls i was prison ecscapee.

[Sir Lancelot]

Day 3, Monday: Manila.

After breakfast I went to an internet café to book a flight to Cebu. I'd enjoyed the sex scene there two years earlier and was keen to explore it further. My plan was to stay in Cebu for four days and then fly to Angeles, 'Gogo Capital of the World'. I chose my flights on Cebu Pacific's website, filled in the online booking form and entered my credit card details. But annoyingly whenever I clicked 'buy flights' I got an error message. Nearby a teenage Filipino boy was watching a video of a black man with a massive dick giving a blond girl what I would call 'a right seeing to'.

So I walked to Cebu Pacific's office instead, which is located in the same block as Robinson's Mall. I pulled a ticket out of the machine when I entered and sat in the waiting room for my number to be called. It took half an hour before a pretty girl with a big, beaming smile served me. I booked a flight to Cebu and then a flight to Clark five days later. The price came to nearly 4000 pesos including taxes and charges. I complimented the pretty girl on her excellent English before I left.

That meant I had one final night in Manila. I decided that I needed to fuck two girls. Perhaps a quick 'short-time' early evening and then another girl for 'long-time' afterwards.

Manila has many more places to go than Manila Bay Café. The problem though is that they're overpriced. The EDSA gogo bars had pretty girls on my last visit but prices are twice those of Angeles. The P Burgos gogo bars are expensive too, as you'd expect in any business district. Philippines isn't noted for massage parlours but Air Force 1 and Starfleet, near the airport, get good reviews online (although for 4000+ pesos they should be good!). Where Manila excels is its freelance venues. Café Havana in Greenbelt mall is another option, with good looking girls available for similar prices to those in Manila Bay Café. But why go all the way to Makati when the best bar in Manila is on my doorstep?

I arrived in MANILA BAY CAFÉ at 6pm and sat at a table next to the entrance. It's a good place to see the girls arriving. I ordered a beer but before the waitress had returned, two young girls walked past, one of whom was exceptionally cute. I smiled towards them and they came over and asked whether they could sit with me. I pulled up two stools. The pretty girl, wearing a leopard print dress, told me that her name was Apple. She definitely looked ripe and juicy to me. She was 21 years old and had blonde hair and braces on her teeth. Her friend Jowena was 22 years old with long, dark hair. She wasn't as pretty as Apple but her pushup bra showed off a perky pair of tits.

A man walked out with two girls. Apple and Jowena laughed."He go for threesome" they said,"have you tried?". I've had two in Bangkok and one in Jakarta but I didn't tell them that."No" I said innocently."You could with us!" they chorused together and burst out laughing. How could I refuse? Apple was pretty and Jowena was cute and curvy. They asked for 2000 pesos each but I negotiated them down to 1500 each. I know that threesomes are available for cheaper in Manila Bay Café but Apple was such a standout girl I knew that she would go for no less.

In Manila Bay Café you have to buy your girl a drink before you leave together, a rule that was introduced to make the place look more like a regular bar after it was raided in 2010. There is nothing stopping you leaving separately and meeting outside though.

We walked back to Amazonia and I felt a little self-conscious as I walked past the receptionist with a girl on each arm. After a shower the three of us lay naked on the bed. Apple had an exceptional body. She had reasonably large tits that I hadn't noticed because she'd been wearing a loose top. I sucked her nipples as Jowena gave me a nice blowjob.

I wanted to go with Apple first. Jowena left the room and I slid in to Apple's tight pussy. It was great shagging such a cute looking 21 year old, slowly at first as she gasped 'ah slow, oh yeah'. I kissed her neck, which she loved, and then fucked her hard with lots of passionate kissing. I wanted to fuck Jowena next but was disappointed when Apple left to sit in the bathroom. It wasn't a threesome, it was just fucking one girl after another! Jowena's body wasn't as sexy as Apple's but she had nice tits and the kind of fresh-faced innocence I like. She softly groaned as I fucked her doggy-style and then rode me as I sucked her nipples. I called for Apple to come back in and took my condom off. Jowena gave me a blowjob as I kissed Apple and when I started to groan, both girls leaned back and laughed as I shot my load up my chest.

As Apple was perched on the end of the bed putting her bra on, she pointed at her tits and said 'these too big'. I begged to differ. She leaned down and gave me a hug and a playful kiss on the lips. She wasn't just a cute girl with big tits, she was very warm and affectionate. I got her mobile number and told her that I would call her when I returned to Manila. She was definitely the type of girl I would like to spend more time with.

Before the girls left I asked them to pose for photos. Disappointingly Apple stiffened up and lost her fresh-faced innocence, ageing about five years. It's amazing how some girls are so effortlessly photogenic and some girls aren't.

I felt pleased. Although it wasn't a threesome as advertised, I'd fucked two more girls, both young and cute. Things were happening and I was hungry for more. I had a shower and something to eat, then headed back to Manila Bay Café for 'round two'. I hoped to find Frentie or The Girl With The Spider Tattoo for a trophy fuck before I left for Cebu.

It was very crowded with lots of girls. A lot of the younger ones sit on the tables under the stairs but it pays to explore and walk around. I went upstairs but there was hardly anyone up there so I returned downstairs again without paying. It was disappointing to see the bar upstairs so quiet. Two years ago it was undoubtedly the place to meet the best looking girls but not any more it seems.

I went to the toilet. As I was washing my hands, a toilet attendant began massaging my shoulders. It felt good but without warning he placed his hands either side of my head and violently snapped it right and then left, making my neck click loudly twice. I was quite shocked but it felt surprisingly good. I gave him a small tip for his failed assassination attempt.

As I walked towards the pool tables, I saw a familiar face. It was Lina, a girl I'd fucked two years before. She looked fantastic and I remembered her dazzling smile. She recognized me and said hello before saying "You posted photos of me on the internet!". I was shocked that she knew. She was right. After my previous trip to Philippines I posted photos of girls on a forum but didn't think that the girls would actually see them. I can remember wondering at the time whether it was fair to post photos but after much deliberation decided that it was highly unlikely that the girls or their family would see the photos and, if anything, it could gain them extra customers. I figured that these girls are in the industry to make as much money as quickly as possible so thought I was doing them a favour.

But Lina was pissed with me. I apologised and explained. Eventually she seemed okay, especially when she recalled with a grin "you said I was blowjob queen!". Haha. She was too. Two years earlier she'd alerted me to her skills by tying a knot in a cherry-stalk only using her tongue.

I returned to the pool tables but the incident had shaken me. I try to treat girls with respect but to hear that I had upset Lina made me feel bad. Also I sensed danger. If she told other people (for example the management, security guards or her friends) they might possibly look for retribution or try to extort money from me. I decided not to stick around.

I returned to my hotel straight away. I was in bed by midnight but I struggled to sleep as the incident with Lina was playing on my mind. I was glad I would be leaving Manila tomorrow.

(This diary will continue in the Cebu pages tomorrow)

[Questor55]

"Her name was Eloisa, she was 25 and she had an Indian look with brown skin and long, silky hair. Despite her bright pink lipstick, she had a shy manner and covered her mouth whenever she laughed, hiding her lovely smile. She was pretty and the time was only 8pm, so I figured that I could take her for short-time (2 hours) and then fuck another girl later. My target for this trip was 20 girls and I needed to get off to a good start.

I asked her how much she would charge for short-time. I had done my research so when she said 2500 pesos, I knew it was too much. I don't blame her for trying, she's just trying to make as much money as possible. 'I know the price' I said with a smile and she immediately lowered her price to 1500. We have a deal."

But even the sweet ones catch on to pricing, LOL. Nice find, nice start.I just don't get it MH. Why ask the price if you already done your research and know the going rate? If you are hoping to get a bargain price then better to simply state YOUR price. Ie,"I can pay x pesos for.". Jerk the girls around and that's why sometimes we come across as jerks!

[Amanut]

Day 2, Sunday: Manila.

'Hi' he said cheerily, 'I work as security at your hotel'. It's a common scam that ends with you being extorted for money somehow, usually by being taken to a bar where you get charged for 'lady company'.I had the same thing happen to me on my first trip to Manila. In my case he had obviously been following me for awhile. I was staying at the Dusit and he approached me between shopping centers near the hotel. He told me he worked in security at the Dusit and wanted to show me some places in the mall. I foolishly followed him around the mall for a bit until we got to the grocery floor where he wanted me to buy him some Ensure for his sick father. A small can wasn't enough. He wanted the biggest one they had. At that point I ditched him, but when he left I just thought he was a greedy security guard. It wasn't until later that I was being set up for something potentially more sinister. You have to hand it to some of these guys, they have the patter down.

[MrHombre]

I had the same thing happen to me on my first trip to Manila. In my case he had obviously been following me for awhile. I was staying at the Dusit and he approached me between shopping centers near the hotel. He told me he worked in security at the Dusit and wanted to show me some places in the mall. I foolishly followed him around the mall for a bit until we got to the grocery floor where he wanted me to buy him some Ensure for his sick father. A small can wasn't enough. He wanted the biggest one they had. At that point I ditched him, but when he left I just thought he was a greedy security guard. It wasn't until later that I was being set up for something potentially more sinister. You have to hand it to some of these guys, they have the patter down.In Manila last month, walking north from Executive Suites on A. Mabini, a well dressed middle aged guy caught up with me and said he was also staying at my hotel. His English was good, he was appropriately chatty. He asked where I was going (looking for an internet cafe, mine didn't open until 8 am). He said sure, just a way down the block here. When we got close, he mentioned that it was his daughter's birthday and he didn't have money for a cake. I gave him sympathy and got the fuck away from him. Street hustle, well played.

[X Man]

Sympathy? I usually give them a piece of my mind in a hostile way while pulling out any camera I might have. They usually simper away like the vermin they are.

X.


In Manila last month, walking north from Executive Suites on A. Mabini, a well dressed middle aged guy caught up with me and said he was also staying at my hotel. His English was good, he was appropriately chatty. He asked where I was going (looking for an internet cafe, mine didn't open until 8 am). He said sure, just a way down the block here. When we got close, he mentioned that it was his daughter's birthday and he didn't have money for a cake. I gave him sympathy and got the fuck away from him. Street hustle, well played.

[Jp Slicky]

I for one am enjoying your postings on your trip and look forward to more.

Good you did not go to the Havana, because at that time (March 2012?) the WG were barred from there (pun intended)

[MrHombre]

Sympathy? I usually give them a piece of my mind in a hostile way while pulling out any camera I might have. They usually simper away like the vermin they are.

X.I was being sarcastic. It was a well done hustle, he had me sucked in until he asked for money. That's when the ridiculous truth dawned on me and I just cut him off.

[Sir Lancelot]

I just don't get it MH. Why ask the price if you already done your research and know the going rate? If you are hoping to get a bargain price then better to simply state YOUR price. Ie,"I can pay x pesos for.". Jerk the girls around and that's why sometimes we come across as jerks!It wasn't MrHombre who wrote that, it was me.

I wasn't jerking the girls around. All mongers have their own modus operandi when they deal with the girls. Personally I do not like to make it too much like a business deal. In the past I've tried the blunt '1500 pesos, take it or leave it' approach and although they often 'take it', sometimes I get a starfish for the night. My approach is to make it as natural and friendly as possible and let the girl believe they are calling the shots. I believe this way I am more likely to get the 'girlfriend experience' I crave.

atJP Slicky: Just as well I didn't get a taxi to Cafe Havana! Thank you for your compliment. If you wish to continue reading I'll now be posting for four days on the Cebu forum.

[Jan 156]

"Her name was Eloisa, she was 25 and she had an Indian look with brown skin and long, silky hair. Despite her bright pink lipstick, she had a shy manner and covered her mouth whenever she laughed, hiding her lovely smile. She was pretty and the time was only 8pm, so I figured that I could take her for short-time (2 hours) and then fuck another girl later. My target for this trip was 20 girls and I needed to get off to a good start.

I asked her how much she would charge for short-time. I had done my research so when she said 2500 pesos, I knew it was too much. I don't blame her for trying, she's just trying to make as much money as possible. 'I know the price' I said with a smile and she immediately lowered her price to 1500. We have a deal."

But even the sweet ones catch on to pricing, LOL. Nice find, nice start.
I just don't get it MH. Why ask the price if you already done your research and know the going rate? If you are hoping to get a bargain price then better to simply state YOUR price. Ie,"I can pay x pesos for.". Jerk the girls around and that's why sometimes we come across as jerks!I don't know MH but would not conclude he was jerking her if he did business with her (I was more puzzled by the quotation marks).

It's quite reasonbable IMHO to begin haggling by getting the girl to state a price first. If you open by stating a price she will often try to bargain up. It can all be done with a smile as a bit of fun.

[Global Surfer]

Following extract is an excellent old report by Devils 1. I tried to put a link in Makatia thread but for some reason (probably my lack of knowhow) it is pointing to somewhere else. So I cam copying the report as such. This was posted in June 2008. Could any one confirm if this is still valid after 04 years.

Another question: Are all hotes here guest friendly? I am planning to book a hotel close to Green Belt to cut down commuting time.

Thanks.

Report from Devils 1.

Here is my take on the Makati scene. I have been to the Fils 4 times in the last 9 months. Mainly because I can't believe how much hot pussy is available at a reasonable price.

There are many places to go within a 20 minute drive of Makati:

EDSA entertainment complex, this is a large building with 8-12 different clubs in it. The women all wear bikinis / bra & panties and dance on a stage for your review. There is every size, shape and range of woman a man could want here. Typical barfine is 12-1400 pesos. The woman will ask for a tip at the end of the evening. It is common to tip based on performance. In my opinion this is the best value in the Manila area. 15-20 minute drive from Makati.

Roxas Blvd, this is a street with 10-12 different clubs. The concensus seems to be the best (and most expensive) is East Asia entertainment. Most of these clubs tend to cater to Asian clients. For further info when speaking of Asian mongers, think people who overpay, overindulge and don't expect much of a performance from the girl. Barfines here start at 3500 pesos and go up depending on how gullible the mamasan thinks you are. Of course the girl will expect a tip after the deed. In my opinion this is the worst place to go in Manila. Beware cab drivers will try very hard to bring you here rather than EDSA as they are very close to each other. 15-20 minute drive from Makati.

Burgos Street, this is a street in Makati with 15-20 different clubs on it. Each club has its own theme and quality of girl. The clubs generally are very good and friendly. There are two different groups that own all of the clubs on Burgos St. One group owns 80% of the clubs and there barfines are 3500 pesos. The other group owns only 4 clubs and there barfines are 22-2400 pesos. The best of these clubs is Flamingo. Once again you can find every variety of woman on this street that your heart desires. Of course you will be asked for a tip in addition to the barfine. In my opinion Burgos is a street that everyone should visit once. Go early around 8-9 pm and hit several of the clubs and make an evening of it. My personal favorite is to go to the Billboard club and watch the women do their dance routine. It is truly fabulous almost on par with a Vegas show, with the added element that alot of the women are there for the taking. In my opinion some of the most beautiful women work in this club. Of course they will expect to be tipped very well. The bad news is these women get paid pretty well just to dance and aren't that motivated to get barfined, translation they are probably lousy in bed. 3 minute drive within Makati.

Havana Café is a bar located in the Greenbelt mall of Makati. This is strictly a free lancer bar. There are no barfines and no mamasans to do the leg work for you. On any given night it is a paradise or a desert. The bar is very good with a live band that plays good salsa music. The bar serves good food and reasonably priced drinks. Many of the women will come on to you and give you the 'nod' that they are interested in you. If you see someone you are attracted to you will have to walk up and 'open' with them. If they are interested they will usually invite you to join them within 3 minutes. It is understood that once you join them you are buying until you either leave with them or move to a different location in the bar without them. On rare occasions non-working girls do stop into this club because they like the music. So if you have been with a girl for 15-30 mins and she has not rubbed your hand or your leg and told you how handsome you are than you definitely have to find a tactful way to bring up the subject of her spending the night with you. Typical tips range from 15-3000 pesos. 3 min cab ride from anywhere in Makati.

L. A. Café is another freelancer club. It is located in Malate / Ermita area which is a 20 min drive from Makati depending on the time of day. This is one of the most popular and crowded pick up places in Manila. It is open 24 hours a day and is always happening. I went there a couple of weeks ago at 9 am and there was easily 100 women in there. The best time for the most quality women is in the evening between 8 pm and midnight. During peak time there is easily 300 women there. In the evening they have a very good live band upstairs which draws a huge crowd. There are a lot of mongers there playing pool and it is easy to find a wing man to 'run your game with. ' In my opinion I hate this place because that part of town is dirty and full of beggars and thieves. On several occasions I have run across scammer chicks who think they are too hot to have sex and still expect to be paid! But most people who go there rave about the place and for good reason there are tons of beautiful young women there 24 hours a day. These women can be had for as cheap as 1000 pesos. Please ask the advice of others as I am not the best source of info on this club.

Take away drive up joints. These are generally non-noticeable houses that you could never tell exist. The only way to find them is ask a taxi driver to take you there. Makati is littered with them. When you find a taxi driver with info on one of these he will bring you to a nondescript entrance, you go into a large room with several women sitting around in their underwear. Sometimes there are as many as 40-50 women in these places. They will simply stand there and smile at you. You make your pick and off you go to your hotel. I have seen truly beautiful young women here as well as fat, ugly old ladies. It is a crap shoot. The prices will vary anywhere from 1000-3500 pesos.

Some rules to keep in mind with all of these places. Always chose a girl you have a real deep connection with. Lets face it you can only bang for so long. So in between pops it is nice to have some good company and be pampered a little bit. If you feel the girl is only going with you for the money, dump her and find the girl who convinces you she is truly in love with you. The whole point of going to the 'PI' is to get a girl you could never get back home and be treated the way you could never be treated by a white woman. A good rule of thumb when you start out is to find a girl you think you could never get and watch how soon she is hanging all over you. That's when you know you found the right girl. Always discuss everything up front. If you want her to stay all night, specify a time in the morning you want her to leave. Ask what her expectations ($$) are for this amount of time. If you want something more than a BJ and lay you had better discuss this upfront. If you are going to take 2 girls make sure they know if you want them to eat each other or both have sex with you rather than just one. Etc.

[MrHombre]

It wasn't MrHombre who wrote that, it was me.

I wasn't jerking the girls around. All mongers have their own modus operandi when they deal with the girls. Personally I do not like to make it too much like a business deal. In the past I've tried the blunt '1500 pesos, take it or leave it' approach and although they often 'take it', sometimes I get a starfish for the night. My approach is to make it as natural and friendly as possible and let the girl believe they are calling the shots. I believe this way I am more likely to get the 'girlfriend experience' I crave.

AtJP Slicky: Just as well I didn't get a taxi to Cafe Havana! Thank you for your compliment. If you wish to continue reading I'll now be posting for four days on the Cebu forum.All I did was compliment you on your taste in sweet young things.

[Econo Tech]

In Manila last month, walking north from Executive Suites on A. Mabini, a well dressed middle aged guy caught up with me and said he was also staying at my hotel. His English was good, he was appropriately chatty. He asked where I was going (looking for an internet cafe, mine didn't open until 8 am). He said sure, just a way down the block here. When we got close, he mentioned that it was his daughter's birthday and he didn't have money for a cake. I gave him sympathy and got the fuck away from him. Street hustle, well played.Well, you got off nicely.

I once made the mistake of wearing A Singapore T Shirt, and in Robinsons, a guy starts off "hey mate, we met in Singapore Remember?" and I went "where in Singapore?"

He went "down orchard Road, Lucky Plaza." and that was pretty convincing.

And my safety mode kicked in and I went "no, sorry, I never been to Singapore, in fact, this T Shirt is a gift from my wife's cousin." And he was persisting. Till I went,"you know what, I am just here with my boss, and he is going to get pretty mad if I spend any of his money."

Well, some of the scammers are well informed, I suspect some of them were former sailors, who have given up there job, or been revoked their sailing license.


2 of the ladies I fucked in Manila must have obtained my phone number. This is what have showed up in my inbox so far from the Philippino side of the world:

"Skogis how are you? This is Jenny, I don't have work I resign becos family problem, please help me!"

I answered through sms:

"Good luck. Help I need money my mother is sick. Can you help me I have accident, buffalo sick and so on. Shame on you I know all this shit"

Her reply:

"Ok don't believe me? U said U help me, but it is true I don't have work anymore they terminate me bcos of you. They know what happened between us you know, now you not help me to have money to find work, if I have job then I don't need your money. U lier!"You See Skogis: you miss the point, Pinays are not going to admit they got caught lying, or. They going are NOT going to understand Sarcasm. Give up.


I had the same thing happen to me on my first trip to Manila. In my case he had obviously been following me for awhile. I was staying at the Dusit and he approached me between shopping centers near the hotel. He told me he worked in security at the Dusit and wanted to show me some places in the mall. I foolishly followed him around the mall for a bit until we got to the grocery floor where he wanted me to buy him some Ensure for his sick father. A small can wasn't enough. He wanted the biggest one they had. At that point I ditched him, but when he left I just thought he was a greedy security guard. It wasn't until later that I was being set up for something potentially more sinister. You have to hand it to some of these guys, they have the patter down.Well, a lot of sympathy stories.

I had case like "my daughter's first birthday" or "my wife has never celebrated her birthday."

Somewhere. No offence. The church is brain washing the natives to use the heart-wrenching story lines I guess.

It is normal, for Rich pinoys to 'give away' money to poor. The understanding is, it is ok to ask foreigners, even strangers. Even if there is no transaction between the two.

And any notion of 'go away' either turns to fight or flight. For former, it can degrade to down right death threats.

Play safe, leave the natives to sort out their own shit

[MrHombre]

[QUOTE=Sir Lancelot; 1320714]Day 3, Monday: Manila.

Philippines isn't noted for massage parlours but Air Force 1 and Starfleet, near the airport, get good reviews online (although for 4000+ pesos they should be good!)

When I was tight with one woman in the Phils, I had little opportunity to hobby, but was taken to Starfleet by a friendly cabby. I've been there three or four times, but the first was best. The place is on the third floor with an entry there. Best to ask your cabby to drop you off up there, so you don't have to wait for a screener to allow you in at the elevator entrance on the first floor. There are several levels of service available at various prices. I was well dressed for first class plane travel so it was assumed I wanted their top drawer treatment. Uh, yup, expensive but great. 2K pesos for the room. 2k pesos to the lady as tip. For that I got a good personal scrubbing followed by a nuru session on the air mattress in the same area as the shower. Convenient to clean off before the next part of the menu. The nuru was excellent. Body slide up one side, down the other, upside down, backwards, flip flop with two somersaults and a half gainer. After cleanup, on to the front area with bed and a whole lot of mirrors. Good service, blew a very fine appreciative wad. Expensive, yes, but was perfect for someone that had no time for MBC, nor the knowledge. I flew home very happy. Oh, you have a fishbowl to choose from at the start. I chose the one that looked the most inexperienced, not wanting a commercial event. It worked out well.

[Sxxxx]

It is normal, for Rich pinoys to 'give away' money to poor.Rubbish, completely the opposite.

[X Man]

OK, I'm American. I don't understand sarcasm, even though cunnting stunt is giving me lessons.


I was being sarcastic. It was a well done hustle, he had me sucked in until he asked for money. That's when the ridiculous truth dawned on me and I just cut him off.

[FreebieFan]

Well, a lot of sympathy stories.

I had case like "my daughter's first birthday" or "my wife has never celebrated her birthday."

Somewhere. No offence. The church is brain washing the natives to use the heart-wrenching story lines I guess.

It is normal, for Rich pinoys to 'give away' money to poor. The understanding is, it is ok to ask foreigners, even strangers. Even if there is no transaction between the two.

And any notion of 'go away' either turns to fight or flight. For former, it can degrade to down right death threats.In one of forums, which transcands the story (Manila? Makati? Living in Philippines) I posted a fuller version of the fact I was once accosted by a very friendly chatty guy in Glorietta who smiled and told me he was the limo driver who picked me up in the airport took me to my hotel.

Well I knew it was an attempted scam as I had taken a taxi but more importantly, I had gone to my own condo.

I carried on talking to him till we got to the Glorietta exit where the security staff were and shouted for help. They stopped the guy.

I told them the story and they took him away. Either they gave him a good beating or they got some good scamming tips from him. Who knows. I'm not a Glorietta regular.

But yeah, when a guy you don't know talks to you in a friendly way, walk the other way.

[Econo Tech]

Rubbish, completely the opposite.You haven't met enough filipinos I guess.

The rich give, but not a lot. But the fact they give makes a lot of low earners think it is normal.

Now, take most of the senators in the congress: most of them have some or other criminal case. And then why do they get voted in?

It is about the senators giving some money, when a grandpa passes away, a few hundred peso 'donation' and the fact the church has been preaching that it is ok to ask from rich people (heck, even Manny Pacquio is not left alone.even though he made his money, the church has been imploring him to share more of his wealth.)

Or the rich people of the town throwing in a couple of thousand peso for somebody's 80th birthday. When the rich person could actually have thrown in a couple of million peso and not fret about.

And that conditions a lot to make it normal to ask money. In Philippines.

Now tell me, how does GMA, Bongbong, Estrada, Imelda and the whole gang are in senate? Despite the majority being disgusted with their stealing, they do vote them in, since, they are "Generous".

[Wicked Roger]

now tell me, how does gma, bongbong, estrada, imelda and the whole gang are in senate? despite the majority being disgusted with their stealing, they do vote them in, since, they are "generous".add to that senator gen hosnan who was convicted (i think) of an attempted coup against corazon aquino and is now in the press stating he is disgusted (as a senator) that the bureau of immigration allowed 2 wanted murder felons (the brothers from palawan) to leave for vietnam at the end of march (on cebu pacific) despite their being a country wide search for them and a 2 million pesos bounty. and everyone knows who they!

hosna apparently also disappeared during his time and the media sugested he would know how to stay hidden lol.

so money corrupts everyone. et is correct, those that have raped the country are still in charge and still [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) it but slightly less overtly than before.

the press in cebu recently reported about a commision of audit (coa) report on the cebu local government regarding 'unliquidated' cash advances (ie not repaid). totals 118 million pesos! dates back to 2000 and some of this taken as cash advance by those at the very top, the ex mayor, current reps in the senate and the senior local government cronies etc. the ordinary pinoy has no chance but still votes for them as those in power are able to abuse the system to give a few hundered pesos to the ordinary poor folk at election time (example being gov gwen garcia and her 15000 pesos bonus to all staff in local government. first time since 2009. as elections soon, but deemed illegal by the coa i think)

power corrupts, absolute power corruprs absolutely (as i said to red kilt recently)

[Econo Tech]

add to that senator gen hosnan who was convicted (i think) of an attempted coup against corazon aquino and is now in the press stating he is disgusted (as a senator) that the bureau of immigration allowed 2 wanted murder felons (the brothers from palawan) to leave for vietnam at the end of march (on cebu pacific) despite their being a country wide search for them and a 2 million pesos bounty. and everyone knows who they!

hosna apparently also disappeared during his time and the media sugested he would know how to stay hidden lol.

so money corrupts everyone. et is correct, those that have raped the country are still in charge and still [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) it but slightly less overtly than before.

the press in cebu recently reported about a commision of audit (coa) report on the cebu local government regarding 'unliquidated' cash advances (ie not repaid). totals 118 million pesos! dates back to 2000 and some of this taken as cash advance by those at the very top, the ex mayor, current reps in the senate and the senior local government cronies etc. the ordinary pinoy has no chance but still votes for them as those in power are able to abuse the system to give a few hundered pesos to the ordinary poor folk at election time (example being gov gwen garcia and her 15000 pesos bonus to all staff in local government. first time since 2009. as elections soon, but deemed illegal by the coa i think)

power corrupts, absolute power corruprs absolutely (as i said to red kilt recently) i would antonio trillanes and danilo lim. both lead mutinies against the govt, and even though gma wasn't so loved like cory, just like the anti-cory mutineers, were voted in, thanks to their 'generosity'. and ping lacson. who too disappeared when he had a arrest warrant and when the warrant was squashed on technicality (never mind, the dacer case is still on. though nobody knows if ping will ever face the law.) and wait, ping was assisted by the most trusted man. who died recently. dilg sec. robredo.

and of course, vp binay, who has plunder cases against him, during his time as mayor, but, well, that doesn't stop the people of makati. the so-called educated clan, voting him in as vp, and possibly the next prez.

and to keep the yarn spinning, the vizconde murder. none of the culprits, despite being proof posiitively identified, never had to face the music, not even for their evoporating into thin air and appearing in us of a when the case was hot.

oh, what about palparan, who is most wanted (for his murder of a dozen or so activists) and most loved. for his anti-npa success. and was too voted in as senator due to his 'generosity'

and well, the ramon revilla case, which is another soap opera or telenovela.

and. vicente sotto, who is the most loved senator, despite his past [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case. unresolved till date.

yah, i know filipinos are very forgiving, but then again, most of the above were voted into power due to their 'generorsity'. damn their criminal records.

oh, btw, on the other hand, there are a lot of militant groups, in phil, and i wonder who sponsors them to be full time activists. like the activists who managed to trace the departure of the palawan governer, and also the group that fabricated evidence against the aussie mining company and left pnoy with a red face after getting caught believing the fabricated stuff, and also the groups that sent fake evidence during the cj's case.

now, if only the super intelligent activists did spend their time doing other things productive, like evicting criminal law-makers.

ps: sxxxx if you know or heard of none of the name me and wr quoted, well, truly, you haven't seen enough of philippines!

[MrHombre]

add to that senator gen hosnan who was convicted (i think) of an attempted coup against corazon aquino and is now in the press stating he is disgusted (as a senator) that the bureau of immigration allowed 2 wanted murder felons (the brothers from palawan) to leave for vietnam at the end of march (on cebu pacific) despite their being a country wide search for them and a 2 million pesos bounty. and everyone knows who they!

hosna apparently also disappeared during his time and the media sugested he would know how to stay hidden lol.

so money corrupts everyone. et is correct, those that have raped the country are still in charge and still [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) it but slightly less overtly than before.

the press in cebu recently reported about a commision of audit (coa) report on the cebu local government regarding 'unliquidated' cash advances (ie not repaid). totals 118 million pesos! dates back to 2000 and some of this taken as cash advance by those at the very top, the ex mayor, current reps in the senate and the senior local government cronies etc. the ordinary pinoy has no chance but still votes for them as those in power are able to abuse the system to give a few hundered pesos to the ordinary poor folk at election time (example being gov gwen garcia and her 15000 pesos bonus to all staff in local government. first time since 2009. as elections soon, but deemed illegal by the coa i think)

power corrupts, absolute power corruprs absolutely (as i said to red kilt recently) i've done some business in the phils. if a cash advance is not 'liquidated, ' that means that there is no paper work filed to explain what the advance was for, what it paid for, no invoice, no nothing. it's an accounting term in the phils.

[Sxxxx]

You haven't met enough filipinos I guess.

The rich give, but not a lot. But the fact they give makes a lot of low earners think it is normal.

Now, take most of the senators in the congress: most of them have some or other criminal case. And then why do they get voted in?

It is about the senators giving some money, when a grandpa passes away, a few hundred peso 'donation' and the fact the church has been preaching that it is ok to ask from rich people (heck, even Manny Pacquio is not left alone. Even though he made his money, the church has been imploring him to share more of his wealth.)

Or the rich people of the town throwing in a couple of thousand peso for somebody's 80th birthday. When the rich person could actually have thrown in a couple of million peso and not fret about.

And that conditions a lot to make it normal to ask money. In Philippines.

Now tell me, how does GMA, Bongbong, Estrada, Imelda and the whole gang are in senate? Despite the majority being disgusted with their stealing, they do vote them in, since, they are "Generous".Your mixing, giving with bribing. Two distinct different acts. Rich exploit the poor, full stop.

[Wicked Roger]

and well, the ramon revilla case, which is another soap opera or telenovela.

and. vicente sotto, who is the most loved senator, despite his past [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case. unresolved till date.

like the activists who managed to trace the departure of the palawan governer, and also the group that fabricated evidence against the aussie mining company and left pnoy with a red face after getting caught believing the fabricated stuff, and also the groups that sent fake evidence during the cj's case.et.

there are so many and each time i read the papers here there is yet another case of corruption being exposed (at all levels). revilla is an interesting one in that again one of the suspects (sister) left the country one way ticket to go to her husband and when asked the bi guys said "there was no order for her to be detained" even though everyone knew she was wanted (as was in the press and the news lol)

the reyes brothers (palawan) is intersting as the toothless tiger (pnoy) had recently announced an increase in the bounty / reward for the brothers who apparently left on 31 march lol. the pnp am sure new as did bi but the 'investigation' will just target the underlings.

sotto. well he has been lambasted from overseas nd the local for his plaigarism with regard his rh diatribe in the senate. he refuses to apologise or acknowledge he did wrong, and his arrogance is outstanding on the issue. and he appears on the tv as if a saint but then he will give cash away when the time comes

given past history the reyes brothers wil be back and running for president soon lol.

sxxx. so many reasons why fdi in the philippines will never be taken seriosuly imho (along with many other reasons) and why the government has to rely on us cash and allows the us ngos to close bars etc while those in thailand, malaysia etc are never targeted. pnoy desperately needs huge chunks of money to try and kick start a failing economy (depite press report it grew 5. 9%. tell that the locals who remain poor and uneducated!)

[Red Kilt]

So many reasons why FDI in the Philippines will never be taken seriosuly IMHO (along with many other reasons) and why the government has to rely on US cash and allows the US NGOs to close bars etc while those in Thailand, Malaysia etc are never targeted. PNoy desperately needs huge chunks of money to try and kick start a failing economy (depite press report it grew 5. 9%. Tell that the locals who remain poor and uneducated!)I am surprised that you are serious about moving here and settling in the Philippines WR given your hard line views expressed here.

There must be something else other than some economic advantage that is attractive to you.

I think that people should be careful about mentioning names of people here regarding misdemeanours that they are alleged to have committed, especially since you are only reporting second-hand data that you have read in the Press. It might attract undue attention to this website if any monitoring is occurring. Some of these pollies etc are quite powerful.

BTW, it is Senator Gregorio "Gringo" Honasan (not Hosnan) whose name was bandied about in an earlier post.

[Gangles]

i think that you guys need to keep things in perspective.

filipinos are amateurs in the corruption business when compared with the usa.

lobbyists regularly buy the votes of congressmen and senators. whole laws are written, amended, or buried at the whim of industry via lobbyists with bottomless pockets.

and the recent cases of corruption in the banking industry, involving billions of dollars, yet no convictions, or even serious prosecutions. and what have the press done about reporting it? negligible. maybe the filipino press is fore fearless than the western press about widespread corruption at rhe top.

what a farce.

so lay off the filipinos and go for the big guys. or is it just too hard?

g


i would antonio trillanes and danilo lim. both lead mutinies against the govt, and even though gma wasn't so loved like cory, just like the anti-cory mutineers, were voted in, thanks to their 'generosity'. and ping lacson. who too disappeared when he had a arrest warrant and when the warrant was squashed on technicality (never mind, the dacer case is still on. though nobody knows if ping will ever face the law.) and wait, ping was assisted by the most trusted man. who died recently. dilg sec. robredo.

and of course, vp binay, who has plunder cases against him, during his time as mayor, but, well, that doesn't stop the people of makati. the so-called educated clan, voting him in as vp, and possibly the next prez.

and to keep the yarn spinning, the vizconde murder. none of the culprits, despite being proof posiitively identified, never had to face the music, not even for their evoporating into thin air and appearing in us of a when the case was hot.

oh, what about palparan, who is most wanted (for his murder of a dozen or so activists) and most loved. for his anti-npa success. and was too voted in as senator due to his 'generosity'

and well, the ramon revilla case, which is another soap opera or telenovela.

and. vicente sotto, who is the most loved senator, despite his past [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) case. unresolved till date.

yah, i know filipinos are very forgiving, but then again, most of the above were voted into power due to their 'generorsity'. damn their criminal records.

oh, btw, on the other hand, there are a lot of militant groups, in phil, and i wonder who sponsors them to be full time activists. like the activists who managed to trace the departure of the palawan governer, and also the group that fabricated evidence against the aussie mining company and left pnoy with a red face after getting caught believing the fabricated stuff, and also the groups that sent fake evidence during the cj's case.

now, if only the super intelligent activists did spend their time doing other things productive, like evicting criminal law-makers.

ps: sxxxx if you know or heard of none of the name me and wr quoted, well, truly, you haven't seen enough of philippines!

[Goatboy55]

Rubbish, completely the opposite.Man. Have you never seen Wil time big time, LOL.

[Wicked Roger]

I am surprised that you are serious about moving here and settling in the Philippines WR given your hard line views expressed here.

There must be something else other than some economic advantage that is attractive to you.

I think that people should be careful about mentioning names of people here regarding misdemeanours that they are alleged to have committed, especially since you are only reporting second-hand data that you have read in the Press. It might attract undue attention to this website if any monitoring is occurring. Some of these pollies etc are quite powerful.

BTW, it is Senator Gregorio "Gringo" Honasan (not Hosnan) whose name was bandied about in an earlier post.Just having a rant thats all. Sometimes I get grumpy and regardless of what happens in this country I doubt it will impact me etc as I will be keeping fairly quiet and doing other things. Was not hard line just observations.

All pollies are powerful IMHO whichever country you live in but I take your point and will stop being a grumpy old man and revert to being a "crazy and kinky man" (as a girl recently described me to JSBach. LOL)

Catch up with you soon RK

[GoodEnough]

I've recently come to the decision to remain here in the Philippines, after struggling for a couple of years with the issue. What ultimately decided the issue for me is the fact that I have a nice life here; one that for the most part I enjoy, and in general, I like Filipinos. In the process of arriving at this decision, I accepted the conclusion that to life happily here, you have to accept the place on its own terms, working out for yourself the equation of whether the upsides outweigh the negative factors. To me, this means that it's unrproductive to compare the Philippines to other countries in terms of corruption, the legal system, standards of living, poverty indices, economic growth or other variables. What's the difference? Ultimately, you either like the place or you don't. You enjoy staying here or you don't. It's recognizing the fact that as a foreigner, what you think doesn't matter much in the more general meta context. You're not going to change anything. Thus, to me, whether corruption is "minor league" here compared to the US or Western European countries is totally irrelevant. I can't change the system in the US (where I'm a citizen) or here, where I'm not. The ultimate question is where I'd rather live. Having made the decision, I no longer feel that I need to justify it.

GE

[FritsVanegter]

Corruption?

I think that you guys need to keep things in perspective.

Filipinos are amateurs in the corruption business when compared with the USA.

Lobbyists regularly buy the votes of congressmen and senators. Whole laws are written, amended, or buried at the whim of industry via lobbyists with bottomless pockets.

And the recent cases of corruption in the banking industry, involving billions of dollars, yet no convictions, or even serious prosecutions. And what have the press done about reporting it? Negligible. Maybe the Filipino press is fore fearless than the western press about widespread corruption at rhe top.

What a farce.

Hello,

You are absolutely right. Did see a documentary about subprime mortgages and the rating agencies. The health care system in the USA shouldn't be an example for the rest of the world too. The education system isn't that good too. The typical high school is just about the same level as the ones in the Phillipines. Phillipine food is in general not so good either because they did copy the American way of eating. A full plate as cheap as possible.

Kind greetings Frits

[Gangles]

Good for you. You have made a good decision. You are absolutely right. Make your decisions in terms of your world, not some other.

Except, that you have decided that, overall, you pefer the Phils to your own country, or any other country.

I have made the same decision in the same way.

G


I've recently come to the decision to remain here in the Philippines, after struggling for a couple of years with the issue. What ultimately decided the issue for me is the fact that I have a nice life here; one that for the most part I enjoy, and in general, I like Filipinos. In the process of arriving at this decision, I accepted the conclusion that to life happily here, you have to accept the place on its own terms, working out for yourself the equation of whether the upsides outweigh the negative factors. To me, this means that it's unrproductive to compare the Philippines to other countries in terms of corruption, the legal system, standards of living, poverty indices, economic growth or other variables. What's the difference? Ultimately, you either like the place or you don't. You enjoy staying here or you don't. It's recognizing the fact that as a foreigner, what you think doesn't matter much in the more general meta context. You're not going to change anything. Thus, to me, whether corruption is "minor league" here compared to the US or Western European countries is totally irrelevant. I can't change the system in the US (where I'm a citizen) or here, where I'm not. The ultimate question is where I'd rather live. Having made the decision, I no longer feel that I need to justify it.

GE

[Kelong Jimmy]

I've recently come to the decision to remain here in the Philippines, after struggling for a couple of years with the issue. What ultimately decided the issue for me is the fact that I have a nice life here; one that for the most part I enjoy, and in general, I like Filipinos. In the process of arriving at this decision, I accepted the conclusion that to life happily here, you have to accept the place on its own terms, working out for yourself the equation of whether the upsides outweigh the negative factors. To me, this means that it's unrproductive to compare the Philippines to other countries in terms of corruption, the legal system, standards of living, poverty indices, economic growth or other variables. What's the difference? Ultimately, you either like the place or you don't. You enjoy staying here or you don't. It's recognizing the fact that as a foreigner, what you think doesn't matter much in the more general meta context. You're not going to change anything. Thus, to me, whether corruption is "minor league" here compared to the US or Western European countries is totally irrelevant. I can't change the system in the US (where I'm a citizen) or here, where I'm not. The ultimate question is where I'd rather live. Having made the decision, I no longer feel that I need to justify it.

GEYeah, I've met quite a number of like-minded people who've settled down in the PI and across SEA. A number of bar owners in Manila made the same choice as you some time ago. They seem like they're on the road to living happily ever after. At the end of the day you got to live your life the way you feel comfortable with, it can be in the PI, Zaire or Belize. Wish you happy days ahead GE. Enjoy!

[Red Kilt]

. The education system isn't that good too. The typical high school is just about the same level as the ones in the Phillipines. .And your basis for this erstwhile comparison is. ?

Come on Frits. I love the way guys like you make these sweeping statements as though you are quoting definitive sources.

I am an Aussie so I am not defending the US system but after having worked at close proximity with the Philippines education system (note the correct spelling of "Philippines" Frits) for the past 15 years and having spent 6 months on sabbatical leave on the east coast of the USA in the mid-90s I can quite comfortably state that the US education system is MUCH more advanced than that of the Philippines, especially if we use access and equity as key indicators.

Apart from the huge difference in resources (teacher quality, learning materials, equipment and buildings) , most kids leave their US school with a basic education. In the Philippines, outstanding students manage to learn despite the experience of schooling but the majority fall through the cracks and leave school (and often College) as unemployable semi-adults.

[Psychman]

And your basis for this erstwhile comparison is. ?

Come on Frits. I love the way guys like you make these sweeping statements as though you are quoting definitive sources.

Having worked at close proximity with the Philippines education system (note the correct spelling of "Philippines" Frits) for the past 15 years and having spent 6 months on sabbatical leave on the east coast of the USA in the mid-90s I can quite comfortably state that the US education system is MUCH more advanced than that of the Philippines, especially if we use access And equity As key indicators.

Apart from the huge difference in resources (teacher quality, learning materials, equipment and buildings) , most kids leave their US school with a basic education. In the Philippines, outstanding students manage to learn despite the experience of schooling but the majority fall through the cracks and leave school (and often College) as unemployable semi-adults.Plus 1. Not to mention, the vast majority of the best research universities in the world (see the various rankings) are in the US (and trust me, I rarely stick up for my country). The average state university in the US is far superior to most of the best national universities in the developing world.

[Soapy Smith]

The average state university in the US is far superior to most of the best national universities in the developing world.What would be the evidence for this? Remember that state universities in the U.S. are not simply the flagship universities in each state, like Ohio State University, Penn State, and so on. State universities also include many small liberal arts colleges and teachers' colleges, like Youngstown State, Kutzdown State, Middle Georgia State, Valdosta, Cal State Fullerton, University of Alaska Juneau, and so on. Most of these are not household names. In fact, all the big and little public universities in the U.S. total approximately 650. So the "average" public university would be the one ranked 325th (the median case) among U.S. schools.

Then take a look at either the AWRU rankings or the QS rankings of the top 500 schools in the world. (Actually both are contestable since the evaluators who were surveyed were disproportionately Americans and Brits.) In the AWRU rankings the last American school ranked in the top 500 is Utah State, which ranks 492nd. But Utah State ranks 154th among American universities. This suggests that the 325th ranked U.S. school is likely way down the world ranking list. Also, I skimmed down the AWRU top 500 and found 22 universities in countries that would be considered second world (but still "developing"), such as Brazil or Turkey, and 34 universities in countries that are usually considered third world.

The QS rankings are even kinder to the third world. As a reference point, both the University of the Philippines (ranked 332nd) and Ateneo Manila University (ranked 360th) are in the top 500. De La Salle is just slightly outside the top 500 and University of Santo Tomas is in the middle 600s. As points of comparison, UP ranks higher than Arizona State, and Ateneo ranks higher than the University of Connecticut. Within Arizona, ASU is second only to the University of Arizona, and the University of Connecticut is its state's flagship school. In other words, the two best universities in the Philippines are ranked considerably higher than the average American public university. The top 500 also include universities from India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, South Africa, China, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, and numerous other developing countries.

[WestCoast1]

Apart from the huge difference in resources (teacher quality, learning materials, equipment and buildings) , most kids leave their US school with a basic education. In the Philippines, outstanding students manage to learn despite the experience of schooling but the majority fall through the cracks and leave school (and often College) as unemployable semi-adults.Not sure where to start here. Methinks Frits is harking back to his own high school days to make a comparison. Filipine high schools are little like american high schools. College prep american students will have had: calculus, AP english, AP history. 2-4 years of a foreign language. 1+ years of a visual / performing art, and 2 or more of: bio / physics / chemistry. Similar filipine students might have had: algebra / geometry. Please see the University of California A-G requirements at:

http://universityofcalifornia.edu/admissions/freshman/requirements/a-g-requirements/index.html

And keep in mind these are minimums for entrance consideration; most students go far beyond because of competitiveness. My 3-semester college calculus textbook was thicker than your fist and cost $165, 30 years ago. A fourth semester on differential equations is common in pretty much every american college, including 2-year 'junior' colleges; yet I'd guess unheard of in all but a few Filipino colleges. One of my son's aerodynamics textbooks is as thick as my outstretched hand and costs over $200, again I'd bet this is fairly unheard of in phils. Also, regarding HS standards, the New York Regent's exams:

Regents Examinations are statewide standardized examinations in core high school subjects required for a Regents Diploma in New York State. In the past, Regents Diplomas were optional and typically offered for college bound students. In recent years graduation requirements have been made more stringent, and currently all students are required to receive a Regents Diploma, and therefore most students, with some limited exceptions, are required to take the Regents Examinations. To graduate, students are required to have earned appropriate credits in a number of specific subjects by passing year-long or half-year courses, after which they must pass Regents Examinations in some of the subject areas. For higher achieving students, a Regents with Advanced Designation and Honors designations are also offered.


I am an Aussie so I am not defending the US system but after having worked at close proximity with the Philippines education system (note the correct spelling of "Philippines" Frits) for the past 15 years and having spent 6 months on sabbatical leave on the east coast of the USA in the mid-90s I can quite comfortably state that the US education system is MUCH more advanced than that of the Philippines, especially if we use access and equity as key indicators.Ya lets talk about that access / equity thing. American schools teach a population that is very heterogeneous in many ways. Most other places on earth teach a very homogenous population in many ways. At my daughter's old HS there were 16 spoken languages (9 at one of my son's HS). American schools mix multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, and multi-colored students. At many american schools are a smattering of major religions (hindi, sikh, christian, islamics, taoists, buddhists, hmongs, jews) all in the same school. Rival gang affiliations (often associated with a father's incarceration) is in the mix. Where I grew up, there was a european mix of names in the neighborhood: french, german, greek, etc, but we spoke english. In my current abode in the western US, my daughter's friends came over to swim in the pool and they were: laotian, guatemalan, arabic, mexican, peruvian, Filipino, viet, canadian, and redneck haha, etc. Filipino schools don't have to worry about teaching that kind of diversity. That should cover equity.

Access: when was the last time you saw a filipine elementary or HS install elevators or special toilets because a new student enrolled mid-year in a wheelchair? Its the law in the US. The law says US schools must accommodate every student. In many places on the planet, the disabled are not allowed entry.

[Wicked Roger]

The top 500 also include universities from India, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, South Africa, China, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, and numerous other developing countries.Skip.

The list must be screwed up if Saudi Arabia is on it, as the quality of graduates from any Saudi univeristy is appalling. I should know as I interview them regularly and have to employ them under the government's Niqat system where we have to have 40% of all the work force as nationals. No choice and basically the so called finance majors for example have no clue on basic maths, the ones with a 'degree' in bsuiness administration have no idea about business. We give them simple tests, they fail and yet we have to employ! So this list has some bias somewhere LOL.

Having interviewd one Saudi applicant from a US university who said her cousin at one of the supposedly better Saudi establishments "never took any notes at allk when in class" I an highly skeptical of this listing for those reasons alone (but I have plenty more!).

Most of not all the good Saudis I employ (or my friends employ) have been educated overseas in USA, UK or Australia. Although some admittedly have been at 4th rate colleges in the USA (which does have a plethora of thses nasties as well and IMHO Australia has one I know of that I am always a tad cautious about if I interview a graduate from that place)

Just my two cents

[Red Kilt]

Hey Skip and WR,

Don't complicate matters with your broad international perspectives and bring college / university standards into it. It has already sidetracked the basic issue.

Frits said high schools in US and the Philippines were the same.

I think only a few minutes with some very basic performance indicator data, a short video and a compilation of photos taken from a sample of schools in both countries would quickly establish that his statement is silly.

Enough! Leave out all the University ranking stuff.

This is the Manila thread where we talk about opportunities to exploit our hobbies in Manila.

Oops it's late. I need to get to an appointment.

[Wicked Roger]

Hey Skip and WR,

Don't complicate matters with your broad international perspectives and bring college / university standards into it. It has already sidetracked the basic issue.

Frits said high schools in US and the Philippines were the same.

Oops it's late. I need to get to an appointment.Agreed. And a certain lady or 2 are missing your presence elsewhere LOL

[Kelong Jimmy]

Hey Skip and WR,

Don't complicate matters with your broad international perspectives and bring college / university standards into it. It has already sidetracked the basic issue.

Frits said high schools in US and the Philippines were the same.

I think only a few minutes with some very basic performance indicator data, a short video and a compilation of photos taken from a sample of schools in both countries would quickly establish that his statement is silly.

Enough! Leave out all the University ranking stuff.

This is the Manila thread where we talk about opportunities to exploit our hobbies in Manila.

Oops it's late. I need to get to an appointment.I wouldn't complain about the education as while practicing my hobby I'm afraid the level of healthcare in the Philippines is of bigger cause for concern due to its tendency to directly affect us.

I'd say 7 out of 10 chicks I try to employ more permanently during any of my stays, meaning more than one or 2 nights with the same worker, usually ends up with a similar story. It; s either kid, mother, aunt, uncle, grandpa or bloody mother of their kid's husband suddenly in hospital and in urgent need for everything from an operation to a life-saving antidote, which none in her family can afford. The script is repeated with rather higher frequency in the Philippines compared to other destinations in the region, at least in my view. So, I guess if there's anything WE should be worried about, it is the general healthcare of their citizens and not the education. (haha)

[AlLostInSpace13]

Hello,

I read from Lonely Planet that an American tourist was killed in a 7-11 in Malate during a robbery. Bad timing as my 1st visit to Manila is approaching. Perhaps I should consider life insurance. Not.

Spaceman

[Starchild2012]

Hello,

I read from Lonely Planet that an American tourist was killed in a 7-11 in Malate during a robbery. Bad timing as my 1st visit to Manila is approaching. Perhaps I should consider life insurance. Not.

SpacemanYes.

American killed in 7-11 robbery.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=845059&publicationSubCategoryId=63

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2012/09/03/american-killed-store-robbery-manila-240751

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/2012/09/02/american-killed-store-robbery-philippines/ayKgiK522KqiwwipYnQiBM/story.html

This happened in Malate and Ermita area which is a notoriously unsafe area for a tourist to visit, BUT you will hear many calls from members here that its not so and you can be ok, if you take normal precautions like most tourist do. BULL. I have said this six months ago and I got a barrage of hate replies as how could I write this. They all will support that place. 'because it has a cheap charlie ghetto hood bar called Manila Bay Cafe. 90% of the old retired, pensioners hang out there for cheap fun and most positive comments come from them here and its dominated by these folks.

Dude, I was born in a third world country, I can sense Sh*t miles away. It used to be good four years back and then the mayor banished all Filipino oriented bars and it become a ghost town. Manila is safe, if you have money and have some quality in your life. If you want to travel 10, 000 miles and wish to party at the worst ghetto manila has to offer. What do you expect. If you do same back home, expect to be shot at.

Don't come to PH, if you don't have money and can't hang out in good places. I know I'm harsh, 'because I'm pissed. I warned everyone in this forum, to stay away from that area. Its really really unsafe. If you are not being shot at. Get ready to face thuggy taxi cabs and streets kids trying to pick pocket you.

Also, only in this forum I read positive reviews of the place. If you go to ph addicts site another popular forum, people speaks there horrible experiences more openly.

Unfortunatkly, we have reached a point, when its safe to say "wait till it happens to you". I'm sure as before, many from first world will disagree with me. All I will say to them is."WAIT TILL IT HAPPENS TO YOU"

[Cunning Stunt]

...because it has a cheap charlie ghetto hood bar called Manila Bay Cafe. 90% of the old retired, pensioners hang out there for cheap fun and most positive comments come from them here and its dominated by these folks...I resemble that remark..lol. Actually, I agree with the gist of your comments. I used to be a regular in LA Cafe but, apart from one foray and a daytime visit to exchange pesos into euros (you get the most competitive rates in this area), I stay away from the area nowadays. The overwhelming atmosphere of threat, dilapidated degeneration and hopelessness of the area depresses me and I have little patience with the motley assortment of indigent beggars, feral urchins, con artists and assorted sleazeballs that congregate in the vicinity like so many flies around shit.

I would say, however, that this mainly applies to Ermita, the area directly to the north of Pedro Gil. Malate to the south, particularly around Remedios Circle has some good bars, restaurants and assorted nightlife and is a good and relatively safe area to spend some time.

And, I guess, that in comparison to some mongering destinations in Central and South America, Ermita is Toytown.

P.S The 7-11 involved was nowhere near Ermita or the tourist areas of Malate and the American was an expat running a business here and not a tourist. Just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and tried to escape the hold-up gang.

[WestCoast1]

This isn't an attack. Just a disagreement and some thoughts.


Yes.

American killed in 7-11 robbery.

This happened in Malate and Ermita area which is a notoriously unsafe area for a tourist to visit, BUT you will hear many calls from members here that its not so and you can be ok, if you take normal precautions like most tourist do. BULL. I have said this six months ago and I got a barrage of hate replies as how could I write this. They all will support that place. 'because it has a cheap charlie ghetto hood bar called Manila Bay Cafe. 90% of the old retired, pensioners hang out there for cheap fun and most positive comments come from them here and its dominated by these folks.It's not notoriously unsafe. It's notoriously less safe. You will probably find an american robbed or killed in phils (and other non-westernized countries) from time-to-time. Several hundred such cases in El Paso or Detroit every year, too. So, is it safer for americans in Malate? I'm not old enough to retire, and I hang out in GPoint and MBC. Sometimes for the snatch, sometimes for a bite to eat while I watch the snatch. I see plenty of gents in there who are not expats and not old enough to be retired. So what if some of the guys in there are pensioners / regulars?


Dude, I was born in a third world country, I can sense Sh*t miles away. It used to be good four years back and then the mayor banished all Filipino oriented bars and it become a ghost town. Manila is safe, if you have money and have some quality in your life. If you want to travel 10, 000 miles and wish to party at the worst ghetto manila has to offer.I've stayed in nice hotels in both Malate and Makati. Also junkie pensions at times. Yes, in Malate, there is more a gritty sense of something bad happening, as opposed to Makati / Ortigas. Probably Tondo is worse? I've walked the streets of Malate and Jakarta and LA at 1am, none is probably worse than the other?


Don't come to PH, if you don't have money and can't hang out in good places. I know I'm harsh, 'because I'm pissed. I warned everyone in this forum, to stay away from that area. Its really really unsafe. If you are not being shot at. Get ready to face thuggy taxi cabs and streets kids trying to pick pocket you.I think having money (or at least letting the locals think you have it) is a surer way to get robbed. I prefer Malate to Makati for a variety of reasons, and its grittiness is one of those reasons. Never been shot at in Malate, never seen anyone shot at, never seen anyone there brandish a gun (doesn't mean it does not happen, just means I've never seen or heard of it there, other than the occasional news story about it). Pickpocket streetkids? In what non-western country does that not happen? Probably being in the US metropolitan areas is much worse for an american than being in Malate, given the large numbers of gun deaths there annually; from Wiki:

There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.[4] The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.[6] In 2009, according to the UNODC, 60% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.

[Screaming Beaver]

I believe the major mistake the American made was trying to dash out the door when he was told to go to the storage room with the other employees while the thieves were looting the store. The other employees were not injured, only the American who turned rabbit and made a run for it with bottled water in his hand. Obviously a very stupid decision that cost him his life. Unfortunately the hot lead bullets were a little faster than his 45 year old legs could run. He should have just complied and he would have been back home in no time.

Ermita and Malate are what you make of it. It's a great place to score some really hot beaver but you do have to have your wits about you at all times which includes not over drinking which only clouds your senses. It's also not smart to talk to any Filipino strangers who claim to know you. Don't walk too fast with your head darting around since it can be interpreted as being scared shitless. If you are scared shitless, just hop into a taxi and tell him to take you to Makati. You won't get shot or knifed in that town. The worst thing that will happen to you in Makati will be getting fleeced.

Otherwise hop into Manila Bay Café and enjoy the surroundings, pick up a little hottie and take a direct route to you hotel room with her. You will be glad you did.

[Member #4152]

Yes.

American killed in 7-11 robbery.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=845059&publicationSubCategoryId=63

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2012/09/03/american-killed-store-robbery-manila-240751

http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/2012/09/02/american-killed-store-robbery-philippines/ayKgiK522KqiwwipYnQiBM/story.html

This happened in Malate and Ermita area which is a notoriously unsafe area for a tourist to visit, BUT you will hear many calls from members here that its not so and you can be ok, if you take normal precautions like most tourist do. BULL. I have said this six months ago and I got a barrage of hate replies as how could I write this. They all will support that place. 'because it has a cheap charlie ghetto hood bar called Manila Bay Cafe. 90% of the old retired, pensioners hang out there for cheap fun and most positive comments come from them here and its dominated by these folks.

Dude, I was born in a third world country, I can sense Sh*t miles away. It used to be good four years back and then the mayor banished all Filipino oriented bars and it become a ghost town. Manila is safe, if you have money and have some quality in your life. If you want to travel 10, 000 miles and wish to party at the worst ghetto manila has to offer. What do you expect. If you do same back home, expect to be shot at.

Don't come to PH, if you don't have money and can't hang out in good places. I know I'm harsh, 'because I'm pissed. I warned everyone in this forum, to stay away from that area. Its really really unsafe. If you are not being shot at. Get ready to face thuggy taxi cabs and streets kids trying to pick pocket you.

Also, only in this forum I read positive reviews of the place. If you go to ph addicts site another popular forum, people speaks there horrible experiences more openly.

Unfortunatkly, we have reached a point, when its safe to say "wait till it happens to you". I'm sure as before, many from first world will disagree with me. All I will say to them is."WAIT TILL IT HAPPENS TO YOU"I'm an Asian American in my late 20's and I've made several trips to the Ermita area and I've never been messed with. I've stayed at the Diamond Hotel several times. Rather than catching a taxi to travel around, I just walk to MBC, Robinson Mall and the surrounding areas while also getting lost several times during the day and night. All I can say is I'm alive right now in perfect health while responding to your post. I actually feel safer in the Philippines compared to certain parts of the US as hard as this may sound. If you've ever been to the projects or pour areas of the US, people will mess with you for no reason! Shoot, teenagers will beat you down or put a bullet in you just to build a reputation.

[Tiger 888]

I'm an Asian American in my late 20's and I've made several trips to the Ermita area and I've never been messed with. I've stayed at the Diamond Hotel several times. Rather than catching a taxi to travel around, I just walk to MBC, Robinson Mall and the surrounding areas while also getting lost several times during the day and night. All I can say is I'm alive right now in perfect health while responding to your post. I actually feel safer in the Philippines compared to certain parts of the US as hard as this may sound. If you've ever been to the projects or pour areas of the US, people will mess with you for no reason! Shoot, teenagers will beat you down or put a bullet in you just to build a reputation.On top of that, when someone points a gun at you you'd be better off to follow his request. This guy didn't get killed by chance.

[Wicked Roger]

I don't go to the area as I don't like the area, never been keen on LA Cafe when it was called that and don't like MBC. I have been there a few times and decided not for me. And was once in a taxi when 2 cops tried to shake me down one night (see FRs of about 2-3 years ago).

So not my scene

AC has had a number of murders of westerners (and am sure this will contiue) and I know guys who have since left the place for 'safer' cities in PI so is all depends on how you feel etc.

But the MBC area is one I won't visit unless I have to. Sensible comments here to SC's FR showing it is our perception and we can't take one incident as being the norm

[Sir Lancelot]

Its really really unsafe. If you are not being shot at. Get ready to face thuggy taxi cabs and streets kids trying to pick pocket you.I think this is extremely sensationalist. I have never been shot at and I have never met anyone who has been shot at. I have never met a 'thuggy' taxi driver (assuming by 'thug' you mean threats of violence) and I haven't encountered any pickpockets. I'm not saying these things don't happen but your comment might lead people to believe that it's the most dangerous place in the world. It's not. I've been a number of times and haven't experienced even the slightest sniff of trouble. I've had people try to scam me on the street ("hi, I work as security at your hotel") and I once met a tourist who got robbed because he was drugged when he went to a complete strangers house and drank beer with him. But unless you are incredibly unlucky like the unfortunate man in the 7Eleven, you just need to be streetwise and try not to flash the cash. Which applies to pretty much anywhere in Asia, from Jakarta to Pattaya, Bangkok to Angeles.

I think your whole comment is extremely misleading to anyone who hasn't visited. Ermita is a million miles away from being the 'worst ghetto manila has to offer'.

[Member #4698]

American killed in 7-11 robbery.

This happened in Malate and Ermita area which is a notoriously unsafe area for a tourist to visit, BUT you will hear many calls from members here that its not so and you can be ok, if you take normal precautions like most tourist do. BULL. I have said this six months ago and I got a barrage of hate replies as how could I write this. They all will support that place. 'because it has a cheap charlie ghetto hood bar called Manila Bay Cafe. 90% of the old retired, pensioners hang out there for cheap fun and most positive comments come from them here and its dominated by these folks.

Dude, I was born in a third world country, I can sense Sh*t miles away. It used to be good four years back and then the mayor banished all Filipino oriented bars and it become a ghost town. Manila is safe, if you have money and have some quality in your life. If you want to travel 10, 000 miles and wish to party at the worst ghetto manila has to offer. What do you expect. If you do same back home, expect to be shot at.

Don't come to PH, if you don't have money and can't hang out in good places. I know I'm harsh, 'because I'm pissed. I warned everyone in this forum, to stay away from that area. Its really really unsafe. If you are not being shot at. Get ready to face thuggy taxi cabs and streets kids trying to pick pocket you.

Also, only in this forum I read positive reviews of the place. If you go to ph addicts site another popular forum, people speaks there horrible experiences more openly.

Unfortunatkly, we have reached a point, when its safe to say "wait till it happens to you". I'm sure as before, many from first world will disagree with me. All I will say to them is."WAIT TILL IT HAPPENS TO YOU"This is way, way over the top. Take a look at the map I have attached below. I have walked this area in the day and up to midnight. It is funky, it's a little run down, interesting, a little seedy, and urban. It is not Central District Hong Kong Island for sure. It is not downtown Makati either, but it is certainly not 'the worst Ghetto Manila has to offer. ' That statement is crazy. Now I am not saying you can't find trouble here if you look for it or that once in a blue moon something bad, like getting robbed or assaulted can't happen to you. It can. Shitty things happen to good people for no reason all the time. But the odds of something bad occurring if proper precautions are taken, is not very high IMHO and compared to other real mongering destinations that I have spent time in like Cartagena, Bogotá, Guayaquil, Sao Paulo, and Rio; I think the risk of danger is less here. So keep your eyes open, always be aware of what is happening around you, don't call attention to yourself by wearing conspicuous fashion accessories, don't flash a lot of cash, and don't get involved with local scammers and I believe there is a 99. 99% chance you will have a great time and the worst thing that may happen to you is your girl may be a runner or have saggy tits.

So I like Ermita / Malate. I also like Makati, but the two areas are very different. That is why sometimes I stay in Makati and sometimes I stay in Malate. Now I know Ermita / Malate is not for everybody and it is cool with me if a forum member does not like the place. But in this case, I think the area has been falsely maligned. Star is saying that if a monger visits Ermita/ Malate he will get robbed, mugged or killed. And that is just not true. The area is just not like that, not even close. And I think most guys that have been here will agree with me.

In the interest of self disclosure I will say I am not the biggest fan of MBC. I like the raunchy city ambiance of the place and drop by MBC from time to time when I am in the area, but I find too many of the girls are not good enough for my tastes. Some are and I have never had a bad time with a MBC FL. Furthermore, I think most forum members would not consider me a cheapster by any means. I spend whatever is necessary to get a girl I want provided I am not paying above the list market price of the place where I find her. So in MBC I pay the MBC price, in EDSA I pay the EDSA price, in Burgos the Burgos price and in AF1 I pay the AF1 price. I never let $$$$ stand in the way of having the girl I want unless she is being outrageous about it. Then I figure she is no good and I walk. I come to the PI not because of the prices but because I like the girls and their ways and I like the scuba diving and the remote island beaches. Once or twice a year I travel South East Asia. Some areas in the Philippines are inexpensive (AC) , but I will drop a wad of cash in Macau and BKK before even landing in AC. And Burgos is as expensive as BKK, AF1 is as expensive as Macau. It is not the 'cheap fun' that brings me to the PI. It is the fun and the adventure, the surf and the turf, and the GFE.

[Econo Tech]

I'm an Asian American in my late 20's and I've made several trips to the Ermita area and I've never been messed with. I've stayed at the Diamond Hotel several times. Rather than catching a taxi to travel around, I just walk to MBC, Robinson Mall and the surrounding areas while also getting lost several times during the day and night. All I can say is I'm alive right now in perfect health while responding to your post. I actually feel safer in the Philippines compared to certain parts of the US as hard as this may sound. If you've ever been to the projects or pour areas of the US, people will mess with you for no reason! Shoot, teenagers will beat you down or put a bullet in you just to build a reputation.Errr. The difference in Philippines is, even you get shot and live, your assailant will never be caught. Not even a chance. Unlike other countries where they do get caught.

You feel safe in Philippines? On my next visit, please were a 100 gram gold chain, very visible, and a blinged up iPhone and a Rolex watch I should let you mix with some natives and see how you take it when over a red horse, when you say something they don't like, a 9 mm is put on the table, and well, they don't give a flying fxxk about shooting you too. After all, nobody has been put to death for murder. Hell, even the guys who get caught are left to hang around in a minimum security prison, so they can take time off to shoot some more people.

I do the basic. Not much cash, and no fancy stuff. In essence, avoid attention. Even then, once I got surrounded by a dozen kids who were jostling me. Well, never did they realise I don't keep my money or valuables with me.

About the American, would it be possible that he had a gun in the car, and ran to get the gun? .

Or he was the target. And they made it a robbery? Knowing Philippines, after all, the cops could spend a dozen years deciding if it was an assassination or robbery gone bad. Before they pull up their socks and decide what to do. Unlike it being a straight assassination, where they spend 5 years or so before deciding to do something about it.

[Tally Wacker]

The other employees were not injured, only the American who turned rabbit and made a run for it with bottled water in his hand. Obviously a very stupid decision that cost him his life. Unfortunately the hot lead bullets were a little faster than his 45 year old legs could run. He should have just complied and he would have been back home in no time.Hey screaming dick your writing style is starting to crossover with your other ego CIM hehe.

[Red Kilt]

. Actually, I agree with the gist of your comments. I used to be a regular in LA Cafe but, apart from one foray and a daytime visit to exchange pesos into euros (you get the most competitive rates in this area) , I stay away from the area nowadays. The overwhelming atmosphere of threat, dilapidated degeneration and hopelessness of the area depresses me and I have little patience with the motley assortment of indigent beggars, feral urchins, con artists and assorted sleazeballs that congregate in the vicinity like so many flies around shit.

I would say, however, that this mainly applies to Ermita, the area directly to the north of Pedro Gil. Malate to the south, particularly around Remedios Circle has some good bars, restaurants and assorted nightlife and is a good and relatively safe area to spend some time.As another long-term Manila habitue like CS I can only endorse wholeheartedly his excellent summary.

Between 1997 and 2002 I was a regular at the (then) LA Cafe. It was well-run, and had a nice sprinkling of good looking women who were often good to chat with and play with as well as take home for a while. Soon after that time it spiralled downhill into the cesspool that it now resembles, with a large proportion of hags, fuglies, druggies etc infesting it.

As CS reiterates, around Pedro Gil and south along the main drags (Adriatico, Mabini or MH del Pilar) there are numerous good restaurants that have retained their olde-worlde authenticity but which are best accessed by private car or taxi. I regularly go to Robinsons Malate as it is an excellent meeting point for various female acquaintances who live anywhere in that western corner of the city, and the close proximity of Eurotel, Sogo and Sohotel makes the next stage of any assignation easy to accomplish.

I must say the 7/11 incident was just damn bad luck for the kano but he broke the golden rule. When you hear gunshots or you actually see a gun, just get down as close to the floor / ground as you can. As expats, we are taught to do this instinctively. Don't run, as most casualties in gunfights are innocent bystanders hit by stray bullets. Just get out of the line of fire quickly.

[Starchild2012]

I resemble that remark. LOL. Actually, I agree with the gist of your comments. I used to be a regular in LA Cafe but, apart from one foray and a daytime visit to exchange pesos into euros (you get the most competitive rates in this area) , I stay away from the area nowadays. The overwhelming atmosphere of threat, dilapidated degeneration and hopelessness of the area depresses me and I have little patience with the motley assortment of indigent beggars, feral urchins, con artists and assorted sleazeballs that congregate in the vicinity like so many flies around shit.

I would say, however, that this mainly applies to Ermita, the area directly to the north of Pedro Gil. Malate to the south, particularly around Remedios Circle has some good bars, restaurants and assorted nightlife and is a good and relatively safe area to spend some time.

And, I guess, that in comparison to some mongering destinations in Central and South America, Ermita is Toytown.

P. S The 7-11 involved was nowhere near Ermita or the tourist areas of Malate and the American was an expat running a business here and not a tourist. Just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time and tried to escape the hold-up gang.Hahaha. Your mastery of words explains it perfectly. Sometimes, the tourist from western countries are innocent and think everyone is same like them. Honest and straight shooters all over the world. The question we need to ask is. Where was the security guard that we see in all 7-11s in the PH at the time of robbery? They always carry a gun. Why was he missing from the action.

If we think this through, I feel bad for the American. He did the right thing IMO. He was the only white guy in the store and we know, how white guys are a treasured commodity in the PH. They would have come to him and asked for his money as well and worse. They would have kidnapped him for a bigger bounty. The complete CCTV footage was not released, may be they were trying to take him away or make a move towards him as everyone in Asia thinks western tourist are loaded with money. And he tried to escape from them not from store? We know how much the version of Filipino media we can trust?

As we know he was running a english school. So he has seen the world and was not dumb enough to run and was from America. So he would know a thing or two about hold ups.


This isn't an attack. Just a disagreement and some thoughts.

It's not notoriously unsafe. It's notoriously less safe. You will probably find an american robbed or killed in phils (and other non-westernized countries) from time-to-time. Several hundred such cases in El Paso or Detroit every year, too. So, is it safer for americans in Malate? I'm not old enough to retire, and I hang out in GPoint and MBC. Sometimes for the snatch, sometimes for a bite to eat while I watch the snatch. I see plenty of gents in there who are not expats and not old enough to be retired. So what if some of the guys in there are pensioners / regulars?

I've stayed in nice hotels in both Malate and Makati. Also junkie pensions at times. Yes, in Malate, there is more a gritty sense of something bad happening, as opposed to Makati / Ortigas. Probably Tondo is worse? I've walked the streets of Malate and Jakarta and LA at 1am, none is probably worse than the other?

I think having money (or at least letting the locals think you have it) is a surer way to get robbed. I prefer Malate to Makati for a variety of reasons, and its grittiness is one of those reasons. Never been shot at in Malate, never seen anyone shot at, never seen anyone there brandish a gun (doesn't mean it does not happen, just means I've never seen or heard of it there, other than the occasional news story about it). Pickpocket streetkids? In what non-western country does that not happen? Probably being in the US metropolitan areas is much worse for an american than being in Malate, given the large numbers of gun deaths there annually; from Wiki:

There were 52, 447 deliberate and 23, 237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000. [4] The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, [5] with 17, 352 (55. 6%) of the total 31, 224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12, 632 (40. 5%) were homicide deaths. [6] In 2009, according to the UNODC. 60% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.

Star, I googled 'ph additcs' and did not come up with such a site. Can you post the link here? I'd like to check it out.It goes much deeper than just crime my friend. That is the difference I see many farangs fail to understand.

Even if both countries are equal in crime, yet, you should be doubly scared of what follows after the crime in third world countries. In US, if you get robbed or get shot at. Cops will show up and would do something about it.

However, If something happens to you in PH, the cops you should fear the most, as they will blame you for the problem and demand bribes for the problem to go away. Hope, people understand this difference. If you get in trouble in PH, the problem will never go away, unless you pay up. In US, a problem comes and goes. Here the leeches will stick to you unless they suck you dry.

That is the reason, I been screaming through my lungs to stay away from bad areas in the PH, even nothing has happened to you. Once, you get in trouble. It won't go away. Unlike back home. This is the core difference all should understand.

Just a hint of trouble areas and you should be 10 miles away from it in PH. There are so many places you can hang out in manila. Why go to places, which has known to cause problem.

[Starchild2012]

This is way, way over the top. Take a look at the map I have attached below. I have walked this area in the day and up to midnight. It is funky, it's a little run down, interesting, a little seedy, and urban. It is not Central District Hong Kong Island for sure. It is not downtown Makati either, but it is certainly not 'the worst Ghetto Manila has to offer. ' That statement is crazy. Now I am not saying you can't find trouble here if you look for it or that once in a blue moon something bad, like getting robbed or assaulted can't happen to you. It can. Shitty things happen to good people for no reason all the time. But the odds of something bad occurring if proper precautions are taken, is not very high IMHO and compared to other real mongering destinations that I have spent time in like Cartagena, Bogotá, Guayaquil, Sao Paulo, and Rio; I think the risk of danger is less here. So keep your eyes open, always be aware of what is happening around you, don't call attention to yourself by wearing conspicuous fashion accessories, don't flash a lot of cash, and don't get involved with local scammers and I believe there is a 99. 99% chance you will have a great time and the worst thing that may happen to you is your girl may be a runner or have saggy tits.

So I like Ermita / Malate. I also like Makati, but the two areas are very different. That is why sometimes I stay in Makati and sometimes I stay in Malate. Now I know Ermita / Malate is not for everybody and it is cool with me if a forum member does not like the place. But in this case, I think the area has been falsely maligned. Star is saying that if a monger visits Ermita / Malate he will get robbed, mugged or killed. And that is just not true. The area is just not like that, not even close. And I think most guys that have been here will agree with me.

In the interest of self disclosure I will say I am not the biggest fan of MBC. I like the raunchy city ambiance of the place and drop by MBC from time to time when I am in the area, but I find too many of the girls are not good enough for my tastes. Some are and I have never had a bad time with a MBC FL. Furthermore, I think most forum members would not consider me a cheapster by any means. I spend whatever is necessary to get a girl I want provided I am not paying above the list market price of the place where I find her. So in MBC I pay the MBC price, in EDSA I pay the EDSA price, in Burgos the Burgos price and in AF1 I pay the AF1 price. I never let $$$$ stand in the way of having the girl I want unless she is being outrageous about it. Then I figure she is no good and I walk. I come to the PI not because of the prices but because I like the girls and their ways and I like the scuba diving and the remote island beaches. Once or twice a year I travel South East Asia. Some areas in the Philippines are inexpensive (AC) , but I will drop a wad of cash in Macau and BKK before even landing in AC. And Burgos is as expensive as BKK, AF1 is as expensive as Macau. It is not the 'cheap fun' that brings me to the PI. It is the fun and the adventure, the surf and the turf, and the GFE.I completely understand what you trying to say, unfortunately, as I wrote before, you are not aware of what happens if something bad happens to you.

That is the difference we all should know. Trust me on this. I'm from a third world country and you have no clue. Where you will find the worst vampire leech to suck you dry.

The first problem is the last thing you need to worry. Its the after effects of the problem. That will make you break down.

If you get in trouble. The law, cops, authority will only treat you as a commodity on how much you are worth to them. Even if you are right, you are wrong unless you pay up. Say, a Filipino bumped your car and you both argue and cops show up. Guess what would happen. You know the answer already. Yeah. You will need to pay up. Thats it end of story.

If you get robbed. The cops will ask you money to solve the case. Worse, if your gf bag get stolen and your man hood comes into the picture to get her the bag. The price gets doubled.

I know it can happen anywhere. But why venture into an area. Where the possibilities of problem are high?

[WestCoast1]

I completely understand what you trying to say, unfortunately, as I wrote before, you are not aware of what happens if something bad happens to you.Quite presumptive, as you don't know me. Also quite false. A number of us "rich poriners" on this board have written of bad experiences in SE asia. I'm sure a number of others have had such bad experiences, but not reported them.


Trust me on this. I'm from a third world country and you have no clue.Really! Your the only one on the board from a third world country? Some of the gents on this board have had similar troubles as you have described, myself included. I'm just saying I've never had those problems in Ermita. You might be giving it a worse name than it deserves.


If you get in trouble. The law, cops, authority will only treat you as a commodity on how much you are worth to them. Even if you are right, you are wrong unless you pay up. Say, a Filipino bumped your car and you both argue and cops show up. Guess what would happen. You know the answer already. Yeah. You will need to pay up. Thats it end of story.Pretty sure we are already aware of the possibility of having to pay up (you are stating what we already know). I've also had positive experiences with the PNP. To say that they are not interested in your plight, or only want money from foreigners, is just not always true. While some pnp want a quick bribe for some things, many others are little different than police in my country (an honest day's work).


If you get robbed. The cops will ask you money to solve the case. Worse, if your gf bag get stolen and your man hood comes into the picture to get her the bag. The price gets doubled.Same. You are stating what we already know. New clue for you: If you get your wallet stolen, or the stereo stolen from your car in the US, the police there will simply file a report. They are not interested in solving petty crime. Same anywhere.


I know it can happen anywhere. But why venture into an area. Where the possibilities of problem are high?Because the rewards are greater than the risks. If walking in the barrio makes you feel uncomfortable, leave it for the rest of us who are not put off by it. I'll say it again: for a variety of reasons, I prefer Malate. The question you ask, Star, is like saying to a skydiver: "Its dangerous! Are you crazy?" It's only crazy from your perspective.

I will PM you with some information about why I prefer Malate over Makati.

[GoodEnough]

I've been in Manila for the past few days and haven't read ISG much, so I've just seen this discussion for the first time. I have little idea what Star etc. Is talking about: some "mysterious, nefarious" set of shadowy machinations against foreigners that only third-world citizens can understand? Some hazy netherworld that the uninitiated cannot perceive? If that's the case, I guess my nine years of working here in dozens of locales hasn't given me much insight; and yet I've never been robbed, beaten, threatened, accosted or afraid. Guess I must be doing something wrong not have understood the terrible dangers to which I was exposing myself.

All facetiousness aside, this is nonsense. Anyone with a normal supply of common sense, reasonable perceptual skills, and an ego that doesn't consistently cry out for recognition can cope well here, even in places like Ermita and Malate, which are far from the worst areas in Manila, let alone the rest of the country.

GE

[Gangles]

Star, your perception of how policing works in developed countries is totally divorced from reality.

The only time that I have been held up at gunpoint, bound, gagged and cleaned out was in Washington DC, USA. About midway between the Australian embassy and the House of Congress. Upper class hotel.

When I eventually got free and phoned the police, they were not interested, because I had not been shot, or killed. They would not even attend the scene of the crime. Interestingly, it became a diplomatic incident. And some years later, when I went to work in a secure environment in DC, it was a fairly prominent issue in the file.

About the only time that I have been fearful of walking the streets has been in some of the SE areas of DC, and the lower Manhatten areas of New York city.

In comparison, walking through squatter areas of Manila and surrounds is quite safe, childs play.

[Mc Don]

I've been in Manila for the past few days and haven't read ISG much, so I've just seen this discussion for the first time. I have little idea what Star etc. Is talking about: some "mysterious, nefarious" set of shadowy machinations against foreigners that only third-world citizens can understand? Some hazy netherworld that the uninitiated cannot perceive? If that's the case, I guess my nine years of working here in dozens of locales hasn't given me much insight; and yet I've never been robbed, beaten, threatened, accosted or afraid. Guess I must be doing something wrong not have understood the terrible dangers to which I was exposing myself.

All facetiousness aside, this is nonsense. Anyone with a normal supply of common sense, reasonable perceptual skills, and an ego that doesn't consistently cry out for recognition can cope well here, even in places like Ermita and Malate, which are far from the worst areas in Manila, let alone the rest of the country.

GEI agree. He coped it last time and he should again. STARCHILD 99% of your commentary on MALATE is general crap that could happen ANYWHERE, not just Phils or India but almost anywhere in the world. Complete nonsense. I have been god knows how many times in Malate and MBC and all I can say is that the area is marginally shadier then say Makati. Makati has better hotels and malls but there are parts of Makati that you obviously haven't seen. I rate Malate on par with QC for instance. Considering a good night on burgos sets me back 10K and a good night in Malate gets me the same thing more or less for 4K then Malate is still WORTH the little extra "risk" which is mostly in the head of the punter, being aware of your surroundings is a must anywhere this days and that's all that is required here folks. All the malate scams have been discussed here, yes the taxi drivers are pigs we hate them so do the locals, yes there are annoying touts in front of MBC just ignore them, yes the area is poorly lit up, take a cab to you hotel if you feel unsafe, personally I always walk to the Hyatt or the Diamond. Way too much PARANOIA from the self proclaimed expert on 3rd world countries and risks associated yet he got done by the oldest trick in the book, pretty lady asking for a loan and never hearing from her again. Dude you are just naive and gullible so yeah I can imagine how scary Malate must look to you. Reality though is much different. Also what do you really know about the Malate philipino bar scene? I spend 4 days in malate in June and went to at least two dozen Filipino places mosly with live music all in malate / mabini area. The only closure I am aware of is NIRVANA but let me guess you have no idea what I am talking about anyway.

[Cunning Stunt]

It is astonishing to the point of being bizarre, that with the present discussion regarding safety on the streets of Manila, that I myself should become the victim of a street robbery which happened yesterday in Pasay.

The circumstances were as follows. I was meeting a young DIA squeeze for the first time. As she lives in Quezon City and I'm based at the other end of the city, I agreed to meet her roughly halfway in Pasay. Another ISG member had recommended the branch of Sogo located on EDSA Harrison, so I thought I would give it a try.

I arrived a little early for our 2pm meeting so spent the time grabbing a quick meal at Chow King and then strolled through Baclaran market. I was on Harrison and about 100 metres from Sogo when I felt a hard tug on my neck. I swung around just in time to see a guy haring back down Harrison. The bastard had ripped a silver chain from around my neck. I thought of setting of in pursuit but rapidly discounted it. The chain itself was virtually worthless. What was of value to me was the old Greek silver coin that I had picked up in Palmyra in Syria. But this had fallen off the chain as he tore it from my neck and was lying at my feet. So all the asshole got was a cheap Argos silver chain. I would have just loved to be a fly on the wall when he tried to sell that at his local pawnshop.

I carried on to my assignation. The theft actually served as an excellent ice breaker with the sweet but very nervous girl I met there and we had an excellent, fun filled afternoon.

Its not the first time that I have been robbed in The Philippines. I have had my pockets picked twice on Jeepneys (once in Manila and once in Angeles) but it is the first time that any degree of physical force was used against me. But not too bad considering the number of years that I have lived here and the dodgy places that I have been to, often late at night. Just my luck that my first snatch should take place in the middle of the day on a busy street!

[Hatguy]

When I was there in June, I just walked really fast. The beggars could not keep up. And I also used the I'm LATE approach so as to keep them away. Most of the time though if you look like you won't talk they will leave you alone. As everyone always says here: passport, wallet, camera, etc in the safe. Take only what you will be prepared to lose.

Sorry to rehash the obvious again.

[Starchild2012]

It is astonishing to the point of being bizarre, that with the present discussion regarding safety on the streets of Manila, that I myself should become the victim of a street robbery which happened yesterday in Pasay.

The circumstances were as follows. I was meeting a young DIA squeeze for the first time. As she lives in Quezon City and I'm based at the other end of the city, I agreed to meet her roughly halfway in Pasay. Another ISG member had recommended the branch of Sogo located on EDSA Harrison, so I thought I would give it a try.

I arrived a little early for our 2pm meeting so spent the time grabbing a quick meal at Chow King and then strolled through Baclaran market. I was on Harrison and about 100 metres from Sogo when I felt a hard tug on my neck. I swung around just in time to see a guy haring back down Harrison. The bastard had ripped a silver chain from around my neck. I thought of setting of in pursuit but rapidly discounted it. The chain itself was virtually worthless. What was of value to me was the old Greek silver coin that I had picked up in Palmyra in Syria. But this had fallen off the chain as he tore it from my neck and was lying at my feet. So all the asshole got was a cheap Argos silver chain. I would have just loved to be a fly on the wall when he tried to sell that at his local pawnshop.

I carried on to my assignation. The theft actually served as an excellent ice breaker with the sweet but very nervous girl I met there and we had an excellent, fun filled afternoon.

Its not the first time that I have been robbed in The Philippines. I have had my pockets picked twice on Jeepneys (once in Manila and once in Angeles) but it is the first time that any degree of physical force was used against me. But not too bad considering the number of years that I have lived here and the dodgy places that I have been to, often late at night. Just my luck that my first snatch should take place in the middle of the day on a busy street!Glad you are safe.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/272959/news/metromanila/one-of-two-cops-in-extortion-try-on-son-of-pnp-ncrpo-chief-espina-surfaces

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/philippines/philippines-police-officers-sacked-for-extortion-of-motorist-1.1070797

Two police officers relieved of duty after they tried to extort money from a motorist who turned out to be the son of a top police official.

Senior Police Officer 4 (SPO 4) Jose de la Peña and his beat partner-cum-accomplice SPO2 Resty del Rosario apparently had no idea that a 22-year-old motorist they tried to bilk money from was the son of Chief Superintendent Leonardo Espina, the newly appointed chief of Metro Manila police.

If they could do this to the top cops son, guess, how many victims they already had.

[Starchild2012]

I agree. He coped it last time and he should again. STARCHILD 99% of your commentary on MALATE is general crap that could happen ANYWHERE, not just Phils or India but almost anywhere in the world. Complete nonsense. I have been god knows how many times in Malate and MBC and all I can say is that the area is marginally shadier then say Makati. Makati has better hotels and malls but there are parts of Makati that you obviously haven't seen. I rate Malate on par with QC for instance. Considering a good night on burgos sets me back 10K and a good night in Malate gets me the same thing more or less for 4K then Malate is still WORTH the little extra "risk" which is mostly in the head of the punter, being aware of your surroundings is a must anywhere this days and that's all that is required here folks. All the malate scams have been discussed here, yes the taxi drivers are pigs we hate them so do the locals, yes there are annoying touts in front of MBC just ignore them, yes the area is poorly lit up, take a cab to you hotel if you feel unsafe, personally I always walk to the Hyatt or the Diamond. Way too much PARANOIA from the self proclaimed expert on 3rd world countries and risks associated yet he got done by the oldest trick in the book, pretty lady asking for a loan and never hearing from her again. Dude you are just naive and gullible so yeah I can imagine how scary Malate must look to you. Reality though is much different. Also what do you really know about the Malate philipino bar scene? I spend 4 days in malate in June and went to at least two dozen Filipino places mosly with live music all in malate / mabini area. The only closure I am aware of is NIRVANA but let me guess you have no idea what I am talking about anyway.
Star, your perception of how policing works in developed countries is totally divorced from reality.

The only time that I have been held up at gunpoint, bound, gagged and cleaned out was in Washington DC, USA. About midway between the Australian embassy and the House of Congress. Upper class hotel.

When I eventually got free and phoned the police, they were not interested, because I had not been shot, or killed. They would not even attend the scene of the crime. Interestingly, it became a diplomatic incident. And some years later, when I went to work in a secure environment in DC, it was a fairly prominent issue in the file.

About the only time that I have been fearful of walking the streets has been in some of the SE areas of DC, and the lower Manhatten areas of New York city.

In comparison, walking through squatter areas of Manila and surrounds is quite safe, childs play.
I've been in Manila for the past few days and haven't read ISG much, so I've just seen this discussion for the first time. I have little idea what Star etc. Is talking about: some "mysterious, nefarious" set of shadowy machinations against foreigners that only third-world citizens can understand? Some hazy netherworld that the uninitiated cannot perceive? If that's the case, I guess my nine years of working here in dozens of locales hasn't given me much insight; and yet I've never been robbed, beaten, threatened, accosted or afraid. Guess I must be doing something wrong not have understood the terrible dangers to which I was exposing myself.

All facetiousness aside, this is nonsense. Anyone with a normal supply of common sense, reasonable perceptual skills, and an ego that doesn't consistently cry out for recognition can cope well here, even in places like Ermita and Malate, which are far from the worst areas in Manila, let alone the rest of the country.

GE
Quite presumptive, as you don't know me. Also quite false. A number of us "rich poriners" on this board have written of bad experiences in SE asia. I'm sure a number of others have had such bad experiences, but not reported them.

Really! Your the only one on the board from a third world country? Some of the gents on this board have had similar troubles as you have described, myself included. I'm just saying I've never had those problems in Ermita. You might be giving it a worse name than it deserves.

Pretty sure we are already aware of the possibility of having to pay up (you are stating what we already know). I've also had positive experiences with the PNP. To say that they are not interested in your plight, or only want money from foreigners, is just not always true. While some pnp want a quick bribe for some things, many others are little different than police in my country (an honest day's work).

Same. You are stating what we already know. New clue for you: If you get your wallet stolen, or the stereo stolen from your car in the US, the police there will simply file a report. They are not interested in solving petty crime. Same anywhere.

Because the rewards are greater than the risks. If walking in the barrio makes you feel uncomfortable, leave it for the rest of us who are not put off by it. I'll say it again: for a variety of reasons, I prefer Malate. The question you ask, Star, is like saying to a skydiver: "Its dangerous! Are you crazy?" It's only crazy from your perspective.

I will PM you with some information about why I prefer Malate over Makati.You are right. I over reacted. Thanks for opening my eyes with the new info.

[AfAsia]

Have you had a bad experience in the PH? My recollection is; you being quite excited to go there innitially. You appear to have developed a negative mindset towards PH, as if to prove a point. Why all the hoopla, you being from India, hell, not the safest. I'm not having a go at you by the way. Just intrigued.

Read the Calcutta thread, how some poor monger got conned exiting Sonagotchi(SG).

[Sxxxx]

You are right. I over reacted. Thanks for opening my eyes with the new info.don't get too emotional with anything Starchild. Take care of the basics, enough money, food, housing. To hell with Philosophy etc. Get down and dirty, and most importantly, enjoy it. Don't forget, we are not philosophers, we are fornicators, LOL.

[Mc Don]

Glad you are safe.

http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/272959/news/metromanila/one-of-two-cops-in-extortion-try-on-son-of-pnp-ncrpo-chief-espina-surfaces

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/philippines/philippines-police-officers-sacked-for-extortion-of-motorist-1.1070797

Two police officers relieved of duty after they tried to extort money from a motorist who turned out to be the son of a top police official.

Senior Police Officer 4 (SPO 4) Jose de la Peña and his beat partner-cum-accomplice SPO2 Resty del Rosario apparently had no idea that a 22-year-old motorist they tried to bilk money from was the son of Chief Superintendent Leonardo Espina, the newly appointed chief of Metro Manila police.

If they could do this to the top cops son, guess, how many victims they already had.Once again what has this got to do with mongoring or malate? Shit like this happens everywhere no supprise here. I have been twice in simular situation in EU countries. Corupt cops taking it out on civilians LOL thats NEW INFO I guess.

Star. Bigger the city more crime there will be. Manila is biggggggggggggggggggg

[Chocha Monger]

If we think this through, I feel bad for the American. He did the right thing IMO. He was the only white guy in the store and we know, how white guys are a treasured commodity in the PH. They would have come to him and asked for his money as well and worse. They would have kidnapped him for a bigger bounty. The complete CCTV footage was not released, may be they were trying to take him away or make a move towards him as everyone in Asia thinks western tourist are loaded with money. And he tried to escape from them not from store? We know how much the version of Filipino media we can trust?

As we know he was running a english school. So he has seen the world and was not dumb enough to run and was from America. So he would know a thing or two about hold ups.Starchild,

It is unfortunate that the white American monger was shot several times in the backside as he fled. However, you can't assume because he was an American English tutor that he was knowledgeable and experienced in dealing with being on the business end of a hand canon. Contrary to what you see on TV most Americans will never experience armed robbery. He could have just been another sexpat there teaching English to help finance an addiction to cheap sex in the Philippines and ended up dealing with more than he bargained for. Running and trying to enter the car right outside the store was very stupid on his part. As he found out, he was unable to outrun bullets. The money that white guys are believed to have is the treasured commodity in the Philippines. Filipinos have no conscience when it comes to killing white guys for that money which makes trying to run away with your money very foolish when they have guns drawn at close quarters.

Still, you should not allow yourself to be rendered impotent with fear. Millions of sex tourist and sexpats frequent the Philippines, and though many are murdered and otherwise victimized, they represent a very small minority in the overall picture. Like you said, India is dangerous and you cannot get any sex there as an Indian man. At least in the Philippines you can get cheap sex in return for risking your life, health and possessions a little. Isn't that better than living like Slum Dog Millionaire and reaching the age of 30 yrs before even seeing a vagina?

'No passion so effectually robs the mind of its powers of acting and reasoning as fear. ' – Edmund Burke.

[Starchild2012]

Have you had a bad experience in the PH? My recollection is; you being quite excited to go there innitially. You appear to have developed a negative mindset towards PH, as if to prove a point. Why all the hoopla, you being from India, hell, not the safest. I'm not having a go at you by the way. Just intrigued.

Read the Calcutta thread, how some poor monger got conned exiting Sonagotchi (SG).Hahaha. Yes. After my honeymoon period got over, I came to my senses in the PH and it seemed like back home but with great sex and night life. PH is extreme, either you meet very good people or very very bad guys, if you meet one bad guy, its all over. They shoot you first before taking your wallet. In India, at least they spare your life. If you are non-threatening. So the confidence and the dream life I imagined turned out to be not so true after all.

However, I will trade PH with India anyday, even with all the crimes around. I'm a sex addict, and with my third world income, I can only afford to visit PH, you are right, the initial hoopla has truly died. Sad but true yet I will go with the option of PH. Still way better than India.

[Starchild2012]

don't get too emotional with anything starchild. take care of the basics, enough money, food, housing. to hell with philosophy etc. get down and dirty, and most importantly, enjoy it. don't forget, we are not philosophers, we are fornicators, lol.so true, i'm indian, so i'm already dirty and smelly lol. i don't have to try hard to be bad, cunning, stingy, share beer and girls, thats comes naturally to me, so i use some philosophy as you say so that i don't fall that low. in ph, people already assume, i'm stingy. 5-6, smelly etc which is true by the way. so i try my best to be different and get laid. if i hear. ohh you are so different than other indians. i know for sure. i'm getting laid tonight.


once again what has this got to do with mongoring or malate? shit like this happens everywhere no supprise here. i have been twice in simular situation in eu countries. corupt cops taking it out on civilians lol thats new info i guess.

star. bigger the city more crime there will be. manila is bigggggggggggggggggggcommon, it has everything to do with malate, mongering and crime. when the cops are dirty, the criminals are more bold. one thing would lead to another. just from yesterday's reports.

hit hard on criminals, new ncr police chief told.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/breaking-news/2012/09/08/hit-hard-criminals-new-ncr-police-chief-told-241695

manila. amid the increased crime rate in metro manila and after an extort try by two erring cops, philippine national police chief nicanor bartolome urged a newly installed police official to "hit hard" on law breakers.

bartolome told chief superintendent leonardo espina, the new head of the national capital region police office (ncrpo) , to maximize the deployment of police resources and personnel in "every nook and cranny" of the metropolis for a stronger law enforcement.

"hit hard on criminals and protect the people," bartolome told espina as the latter was formally installed friday as the new ncrpo chief.

bartolome also ordered to mobilize the entire 17, 000-strong police force in ncr to cover "every square inch" of the 21 identified crime prone areas in the metropolis. early this week, the pnp admitted that crime incidence has decreased all over the country except in metro manila in the first half of the year.

from january to june, authorities recorded 29, 231 crimes in ncr, a 57 percent increase from the 18, 671 recorded incidents in the same period in 2011.

the increase in crime incidents was due to the fact that criminals have apparently become "smarter," according to chief superintendent generoso cerbo jr, pnp spokesman.

and to efficiently stop law breakers, bartolome told espina to complement and innovate existing anti-crime programs with new strategic and operational directions in crime prevention and control.

bartolome said law enforcers should emphasize greatly on community mobilization, proactive intelligence, neutralization of wanted persons, and interdiction operations against organized crime groups.

the pnp chief also asked espina of a zero backlog solution on the pending administrative cases against erring policemen.

he added that all pending administrative cases involving ncrpo personnel should be resolved within the next 30 days.

bartolome made these statements days after two policemen from the quezon city police district (qcpd) tried to extort money from no less than the son of espina.

on tuesday evening, two policemen chanced on a vehicle parked along doña hemady street in quezon city and saw the driver, who turned out to be espina's son, chatting on his mobile phone.

the two cops, identified as senior police officer 4 jose dela peña and police officer 2 resty del rosario, accosted the vehicle and accused espina's son of engaging in "phone sex."

they allegedly demanded p20, 000 as "fine" for the violation, which was later negotiated to p5, 000.

however, the cops' extort try failed when espina's son handed his mobile phone to dela peña, who talked to the ncrpo chief.

upon realizing that a high-ranking police official was on the other line, dela peña returned the phone to espina's son and abandoned him.

espina has clarified that his son did not give the money to the erring cops, who belong to the qcpd mobile patrol unit.

the two have been disarmed since the incident while their badges were confirep001ed.

the ncrpo chief has vowed to go after abusive law enforcers, saying he will not allow "a few rotten eggs" to ruin the reputation of the pnp.

"[d]apat tanggalin ang mga ganitong klaseng pulis [these cops should be discharged]," espina said in earlier interviews with reporters. (emmanuel louis bacani / sunnex)

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crime in manila has increased 57% since last year. i won't say much now, make it what you will, i'm just showing the stats and warning newbies to be careful of likely unsafe areas.

[Starchild2012]

Starchild,

It is unfortunate that the white American monger was shot several times in the backside as he fled. However, you can't assume because he was an American English tutor that he was knowledgeable and experienced in dealing with being on the business end of a hand canon. Contrary to what you see on TV most Americans will never experience armed robbery. He could have just been another sexpat there teaching English to help finance an addiction to cheap sex in the Philippines and ended up dealing with more than he bargained for. Running and trying to enter the car right outside the store was very stupid on his part. As he found out, he was unable to outrun bullets. The money that white guys are believed to have is the treasured commodity in the Philippines. Filipinos have no conscience when it comes to killing white guys for that money which makes trying to run away with your money very foolish when they have guns drawn at close quarters.

Still, you should not allow yourself to be rendered impotent with fear. Millions of sex tourist and sexpats frequent the Philippines, and though many are murdered and otherwise victimized, they represent a very small minority in the overall picture. Like you said, India is dangerous and you cannot get any sex there as an Indian man. At least in the Philippines you can get cheap sex in return for risking your life, health and possessions a little. Isn't that better than living like Slum Dog Millionaire and reaching the age of 30 yrs before even seeing a vagina?

'No passion so effectually robs the mind of its powers of acting and reasoning as fear. ' – Edmund Burke.Hahaha. Yes. India sucks big time. I will trade PH with India anytime. Ph will always be number 1 priority in my life, due to the amount of fun I can have which I never had back home. What I'm pointing out is. Why isn't anyone inquiring about the 7-11 guard? Where was he. I goggled all the reports on this news and could not find any mention of the guard in 7-11. The reason is, I remember, most of the time when I enter 7-11, a guard opens the door and if I stay longer around the shelf, he comes out checking what I'm doing. I don't know, may be you guys have missed the security guards in 7-11, just check it next time. A guard is always present in 7-11 and he carries a gun.

Its really strange to me that, he was missing from action, when it mattered the most. Did he just give up and lay on the ground or he resisted. And the CCTV is just the photo they are showing. May be they approached the American and wanted his wallet or may be they wanted to kidnap him for ransom as white guys are a treasured commodity in the PH. Thats why he chose to run? Not sure. But its odd that. He would simply run in a hold up. Was he near the door, when he decided to make a run or he pushed them and tried to escape? And was shot at from behind?

So many questions unanswered

[AfAsia]

Why isn't anyone inquiring about the 7-11 guard? Where was he. I goggled all the reports on this news and could not find any mention of the guard in 7-11. The reason is, I remember, most of the time when I enter 7-11, a guard opens the door and if I stay longer around the shelf, he comes out checking what I'm doing. I don't know, may be you guys have missed the security guards in 7-11, just check it next time. A guard is always present in 7-11 and he carries a gun.Starchild, perhaps the poor security guard had the wisdom to just leave his post and go home to Mama and the kids thereby saving not just his own ass, but others as well. Afterall, drawing his Canon the innocents would get hurt for sure; always the case. Pretty much what I would have done with the miserable wages being paid. Hope this was the case.

Either that, or heaven forbid, he was part of the holdup team. Dreadful thought, I know. This is very much the case in many take downs.

On a personal note. Moving from A to B on any street worldwide, one should always move with purpose. No hanging about as if a lost, unsure fart. Sound advice!

Time to focus on pussy.

[Starchild2012]

Starchild, perhaps the poor security guard had the wisdom to just leave his post and go home to Mama and the kids thereby saving not just his own ass, but others as well. Afterall, drawing his Canon the innocents would get hurt for sure; always the case. Pretty much what I would have done with the miserable wages being paid. Hope this was the case.

Either that, or heaven forbid, he was part of the holdup team. Dreadful thought, I know. This is very much the case in many take downs.

On a personal note. Moving from A to B on any street worldwide, one should always move with purpose. No hanging about as if a lost, unsure fart. Sound advice!

Time to focus on pussy.Totally true. I agree 100. I'm sorry to all who misunderstood what I'm truly trying to say. OK. Let me put this out. If an Asian guy from India, PH, Th, China, Japan, Korea etc goes to your country, he can become a cop, lawyer, athelete, hollywood star, strip bar owner, business man in no time. An asian can become anything he wants, when he goes to a western country.

BUT, when a farang tries to make it in Asia. He is just a walking ATM. Farang is good as long as he has money, when he has no money. Its time to JUMP. We know 100's of farangs who don't find a way in Asia and just jump.

I f*ing truly hate this discrimination, its reverse racism. I'm just trying to warn folks from western countries not to fall on the trap. Enjoy in Asia. As long as you have money and ATM card. Once its goes. No one will care for you. Sorry. Its the way Asia is defined in the matrix. You guys should watch star wars 10 times before you come to Asia.

[Slippery]

You missed something there SC and that's something called hard work, focus, sacrifice and determination. Any advanced degree program in the USA generally takes at least 6 years. Even alot of police departments are requiring their applicants to have college degrees and that's 4 years. A Chinese guy doesn't jump out of the container on the ship and become a movie star overnight, nor is he going to play for the Bulls, Bears, Cubs, White Sox or Blackhawks. So those things don't happen "in no time." Yours is typical third world thinking in that context. I do however, tend to agree with the rest of your remarks.

[Starchild2012]

You missed something there SC and that's something called hard work, focus, sacrifice and determination. Any advanced degree program in the USA generally takes at least 6 years. Even alot of police departments are requiring their applicants to have college degrees and that's 4 years. A Chinese guy doesn't jump out of the container on the ship and become a movie star overnight, nor is he going to play for the Bulls, Bears, Cubs, White Sox or Blackhawks. So those things don't happen "in no time." Yours is typical third world thinking in that context. I do however, tend to agree with the rest of your remarks.We don't even give them that chance as well, even if a farang studies in The University of Philippines and becomes a top rank holder with all hard work. He still won't be able to work easily like if a Filipino worked his ass out and tried to do the same in America.

Hardwork, determination is just an excuse to hide reverse racism. Ask any farang, he will tell you, how hard it is to find a job in Asia. All he could do in Asia is to become an English teacher or work in a foreign bank or get transfered to a multinational corporation etc. There is no free choice on what he could do.

Yesterday, I was talking to a friend in Australia and he has same background, education as me and he says, his life changed since he came to Australia and the way, they treated him, gave him unemployment benefits, home, treated him like one of them, he got his permanent residency and now after 2-3 years he has a steady job and all through the trouble the way they treated him. Made him totally respect the country and its people. He himself said, if an Australian tried to find a job in India with same qualification etc like he did in Australia, there will be mass protest.

For 90% of farangs in Asia, they are good as long as they have an ATM card, once the money is gone. Its time to jump or they will be pushed by their darling gf, wife and claim whatever penny he had.

But what has this to do with an American shot in 7-11, well. The guy too was running an english school. And if farangs starts to do regular jobs in Asia, perhaps the image of rich farang will fade away. And the robbers won't pick farangs from the pack. Which is what happened I believe. They picked him up for wallet or kidnap for ransom and he tried to escape NOT RUN and was shot at.

[Slippery]

Hardwork and determination make me a racist? Perhaps SC, you need to have your own racism thread here. And I do take offense at being categorized as a Kano. Keep the racism out of this place.

[Asian Rain]

I know we are all dying to get into the crunchy details of racism and reverse racism (whatever the fuck that is). I always have a suspicion that such posters with unrelated issues such as our self-identified South Asian friend are really stealth antagonists trying to look genuine. The massive quotes and re-quotes of posts just push the relevant material to the bottom. Due to the the quality of contribution alone, clearly this character deserves to be set into his own thread where he can post away with his insightful views on racism and the plight of South Asians in mongering. Rather than reasoning, just click Report Post and let Jackson take it from there.

Anyway, rather than pay this topic any more attention, just a quick aside to talk about what REALLY happens with respect to our hobby in the totally danger-ridden war zone Malate area. Friday was supposed to hook-up at lunch with a DIA girl at Robinson's Malate. Stroll over to the Atrium where they have the Party Poker World Cup of Pool going on. Park myself at the Mary Grace on second floor and have a great seat to watch China give Spain a thorough drubbing while having lunch and coffee. Match is over and girl still hasn't shown, so I conclude she has bailed, so walk the mall for any alternate prospects.

End up checking out Starbucks and spot The Killer Bee, named because of the stark yellow and black skin tight skirt she was wearing. I gave her the eye and nod and we met at the door. Made a beeline straight for the Eurotel across the street. In the room Killer Bee claimed to be a first-time-to-do-this student working for school fees. She expected me to pay her before the act. When I asked how much, she said that her "usual rate is p5k". Usual rate? So much for being a first-timer, huh. I slapped p1k on the dressing table and told her "that's the rate for short time, you might get a tip IF you give good service".

She got her kit off post haste and we had a fairly hum drum session. Nothing wrong with her service, but it was mechanical and rushed. Finished up, showered and as we were exiting the room I topped her rate up p200 for doing a decent job and we were out of there. Wanted to watch the Thailand / England match, but had other duties. Was back at the office just in time for my 4pm meeting. All-in-all a Good Friday. Enjoy the Philippines, AsianRain

[Gangles]

SC,

you are kind of on the right track re racism. But there is no such thing as reverse racism. A person is either racist or not.

Actually, I believe that racism exists in a continuum, from totally racist to completely non racist.

All of the countries in SE Asia are racist. A Korean can migrate to Australia and take out Australian citizenship. An Australian can not migrate to Korea and take out citizenship.

A Filipino can buy land in Australia, but an Australian can not buy land in the Philippines.

This is deliberate racism, but they have good reasons for acting in this way.

In my limited experience, the most racist people that I have encountered are black Americans and Australian aboriginals. For them, race is everything.

G


Totally true. I agree 100. I'm sorry to all who misunderstood what I'm truly trying to say. OK. Let me put this out. If an Asian guy from India, PH, Th, China, Japan, Korea etc goes to your country, he can become a cop, lawyer, athelete, hollywood star, strip bar owner, business man in no time. An asian can become anything he wants, when he goes to a western country.

BUT, when a farang tries to make it in Asia. He is just a walking ATM. Farang is good as long as he has money, when he has no money. Its time to JUMP. We know 100's of farangs who don't find a way in Asia and just jump.

I f*ing truly hate this discrimination, its reverse racism. I'm just trying to warn folks from western countries not to fall on the trap. Enjoy in Asia. As long as you have money and ATM card. Once its goes. No one will care for you. Sorry. Its the way Asia is defined in the matrix. You guys should watch star wars 10 times before you come to Asia.

[Llantarnam]

I've got a 9 day stopover in Kuala Lumpur on route back from Auckland to UK (Malaysia airlines fare was too tempting to resist).

Wasn't planning on staying in Malaysia for 2 long, and was tempted by a visit to the Philippines. I've been looking at the Angeles and Manila forums for a while and they both look tempting. The question is, is there any point in trying to visit both places? I fancy a visit to the Fields Avenue go-go bars, but I suspect that during the day there might be a more touristy things to do in Manila.

[WestCoast1]

Llantarnam: how much time to you have to spend in Phils? All 9 days?

[WestCoast1]

she is in crisis. needs money for (fill-in-the-blank financial problem). snip she has been a good pimpette in recent months,

situation is likely to recur.speaking of 'pettes. a year ago i meet this lady on del pilar. several days walking by where she hangs out in the daytime, lots of 'hi' back / forth. mid 30's. finally one day i stop and chat her up (let's call her 'e'). nothing unusual, just talk. another time she's sitting with a hottie, and we talk and exchange phone numbers (the lady, not the hottie). later, she would bring the hottie by the hotel, offering the girl, for a fee similar to the one ar posted with the killer-bee. the lady kept 300 for herself, and was nice enough to accompany us and take pics for me. sweet. the hottie is posted from back then in the pg. i didn't think of e as a pimpette for several reasons, mostly because she didn't come screaming back with more girls. mostly she just had a girl who needed some pesos and so did she.

fast forward to more recently, i run into e at the mall. hugs / kisses / coffee. she has a girl ('m') to bring by my hotel shortly, and mentions a fee that is 100 less than previously, saying she wants only 200 for herself now. fine, a savings for me. she brings m and a good time is had. this would kick off what would be a stunning run bringing the mountain (girls) to mohammed, not vice verca. the next day e brought 'j' for an afternoon of fun. after the fun, j mentioned that she could bring girls for less than e. really, prove it! and she did. j would keep 200 for herself and give the fresh girl the rest. j would either hang in the living room while i played with her girls, or she would take pics.

while walking j and recently-tenderized meat out the front door, by bad timing e was walking into the hotel with her fresh meat. an argument ensued between e and j, as e figured out that she had been cut out of the loop by one of her girls. i took e and fresh meat to the room and told them i was tired, not looking for a girl, and besides j seemed to have plenty of girls and for less than e. you guessed it, e dropped her price to match j's prices. later, j would tell me that she and e had kissed and made up, and e would be bringing me a girl (or two) early afternoon each day, while j would bring one in the late afternoon.

both e and j's fresh girls would also attempt to cut their mama out of the loop, with even lower prices for new girls in various combinations, such as: 'i bring two girl for less. you want? ' this was not necessary, but it shows how opportunistic (and the lack of loyalty) the girls are / have. one problem that i was having was e's girls. i sent away at least half a dozen or so, almost one / day, for appearing ****. e would quickly disappear and 20 minutes later she was back with an older girl. both ladies appeared to have unending supply. both ladies would also later drop their rates again.

in addition, m, the first girl brought from e, would borrow her friend's phones to txt me asking to come back over, bypassing e, so i had her come in the evening. i asked her how much she would want for the night, staying until after breakfast, and she could not answer (naive). 'you say. ' i told her she would have to come up with an amount. she stared at her feet and finally said, '1200. ' an agreement. she would spend the next 5 nights, not knowing when to leave the next day (the earliest she left was at 10am to buy food for her sister, otherwise she stayed into the afternoon) , staying until i told her she could go home, then returning anywhere from an hour later to the early evening. she would either go home, or stay while e's fresh meat was with me in the room. she also would shoot pics, or just watch tv.

this is how it went for a week or so. i forgot almost completely about fucking my chatmates (i was sexually exhausted) , or my manila regulars (where are my manners?). there were so many girls being brought to the hotel for 2- or 3-somes, the hotel management had spinning heads. sometimes m would come / go in the afternoons on her own schedule. i thought she was going home, but she went to the mall and came back. she would run into j and chat, and j would introduce m to this evening's fresh meat. m would walk back to the hotel with j and friend. i would be upstairs with 2 of e's girls, and the phone would ring: 'sir, front desk. miss m miss j and friend are here. can they come up? ' shit, i'm busy, if they come up then we have 5 girls in the room. tell them to wait.

more later.

[Llantarnam]

Llantarnam: how much time to you have to spend in Phils? All 9 days?I'm flexible on timing. Never been to Kuala Lumpur before so thought I might spend two or 3 days there.

I've been to Thailand, Singapore and Bali recently and thought the Philippines might be a nice change. I'm not a hardcore monger, but as a single man I do like a bit of Jiggy when I am on holiday.

[Red Kilt]

This is how it went for a week or so. I forgot almost completely about fucking my chatmates (I was sexually exhausted) , or my Manila regulars (where are my manners?). SNIP. .If I hadn't actually met WC1 in person in the midst of all of this mayhem I would have doubted his story but for all you skeptics out there, it's all true. My head was spinning too as i heard the blow by blow.

[Tally Wacker]

Fast forward to more recently, I run into E at the mall. Hugs / kisses / coffee. She has a girl ('M') to bring by my hotel shortly, and mentions a fee that is 100 less than previously, saying she wants only 200 for herself now. Fine, a savings for me. She brings M and a good time is had. This would kick off what would be a stunning run bringing the mountain (girls) to Mohammed, not vice verca. The next day E brought 'J' for an afternoon of fun. After the fun, J mentioned that she could bring girls for less than E. More later.Hey Man E, J and M and wow I'm all confused LOL. Thats some good stuff WC. As you know I was staying down the road from you in makati when you were there and too bad we could not have met up. The day RK went to see you and invited me I had a date lunch with a working nurse that turned out to be the one of the prettiest girls I met durring my 17 days there. I played my cards wrong and should have taken her out to dinner instead of trying to get a lunch time session with her in my room. She was one of the only girls I did not sex other than a fatty that I politely dodged.

You and I were playing two completely different spectrums of the game. I was curious about all those naughty girls comming and going but don't think I could deal with it.

Tell more.

[Buko Max]

If I hadn't actually met WC1 in person in the midst of all of this mayhem I would have doubted his story but for all you skeptics out there, it's all true. My head was spinning too as i heard the blow by blow.What's so hard to believe! ? Judging from his photos, knowledge and experience, easy to believe. But you don't have to be his shill. Actually, I wouldn't put anything past members here. There is a lot to be said about being on the ground and working the streets!


In my limited experience, the most racist people that I have encountered are black Americans and Australian aboriginals. For them, race is everything.Yes I vehemently agree, just ask Chocha Monger and Warbucks!

[Buko Max]

The question is, is there any point in trying to visit both places? I fancy a visit to the Fields Avenue go-go bars, but I suspect that during the day there might be a more touristy things to do in Manila.If you can fly Air Asia into Clark and have your heart set on checking out the bars in AC, by all means go for it. If that doesn't trip your trigger, you can always head over to Barrio Barretto on Subic Bay. Three days should be enough to get the 'lay of the land'.

[WestCoast1]

If I hadn't actually met WC1 in person in the midst of all of this mayhem I would have doubted his story but for all you skeptics out there, it's all true. My head was spinning too as i heard the blow by blow.There were a few drawbacks from all this headiness. The lack of communication and cell phones. Its hard to put an apt description on these girls. They all seemed to be of a certain 'type'. Not bargirls or pros in any way. In fact, some of them were simply young and not experienced. They did not seem sharp, but they were very opportunistic. Miss E would bring a girl and leave us alone in the room. Two hours later as the girl was dressing to go she would ask my phone number. I would grab my phone and ask her for hers, telling her I would txt her right away. But, she didn't own a phone. So I would give her one of those small strips of paper with my number on it. A few hours later (or, sometimes 15 minutes later) I would get a txt from a strange phone number like this: "hi I'm irene I use my sister phone remember you fuck me? I have cousin you want?" If I didn't respond then 20 minutes later I would get a txt from another stranger's phone: "hi again I'm irene I use my cousin phone now you want to fuck her?" Not only were the offers blatant, the phone numbers were constantly shifting per girl. Something I had not thought of at the time: the phones have dual SIM cards. I would get txts like that (shifting phone numbers) from E, J, and M, and their girls (none of whom had a phone). Somehow, they found a way to keep themselves separated (well, they had an argument in front of the hotel that nearly came to blows) , and started coming consistently at certain times of day (1pm; 5pm) to avoid direct competition.

On another front in the same thing that was happening. Several of us ISG guys have had the same girl before (pics posted in PG). She's a combination of ADHD and sweet. She came over for the first time late one afternoon (finally, an adult with her OWN PHONE) , and we had a very long, lovely ST session. Posing, pics (true cam sl*t) , sex, shower, cuddle, chat, browse the web together and talk, more pics / sex, and so on. She was in love with pics not only of herself, but of other girls (she browsed through a lot of them). The phone would ring: "Sir, front desk. Miss E and friend are here." Have them wait in the lobby. The girl in my lap,"B", overheard the front desk call and giggled. An hour later another call from the front desk: "Sir, front desk. Miss M is here." Have her wait with E and friend in the lobby. More giggles from B. 90 minutes later I head down with B in the elevator to walk her out. In the lobby is E, her fresh meat, and M, sitting patiently. Nobody looks at anybody. The door guy opens the door and B and I walk out into the evening heat, and she busts up laughing so hard she keeps waving her closed umbrella in the air: "Oh my gotttttt!" And off she walks towards Pedro Gil. The reason for the laughter: she had been browsing my laptop, an hour before, pics of some of my recent girls, including M.

The next morning B txts she wants a return engagement. I tell her (truthfully) , that I'm worn out. A double session with B in the afternoon, then M in the evening and again in the morning, can do that to a man. I also tell her I'm short on cash, down to half what she got the day before, and can she wait until another day (wanted to let my wallet and dick rest a bit)? Like AR's girl, she had a need, and she jumped on making half. M was with me, and getting used to hanging around, meeting new girls, and taking pics for me. She wanted to know if I wanted her to stay, but I had a lunch engagement first, so I waved her off, and met with B later in the afternoon. Much more friendly the second time around, less hyper, B was even warmer, more snuggly. The session was similar to the previous session: lots of pics (lots) , sex, shower, browsing the pics and internet, sex (I rarely double-pop) , more pics, and so on. Five hours this time. And, several times the phone would ring: "Front desk sir. Miss J here with friend." An hour later: "Sir front desk again. Miss J here with friend still. Also miss M now." Have them wait. I figured E would show up anytime. Miss B is cracking up. When I finally took her thru the lobby, sitting there was J and friend and M. Once again B would wait until she got outside to bust up laughing, as she had been browsing nawty pics of (among others) herself, M and J. Interestingly, nobody minded waiting in the lobby, and E didn't even mind waiting sometimes only to be told 'no thanks'. I was too tired to take E's girl.

In all of this girly stuff, I did not bang all of the girls who ended up in the room with me. Some I sent away (young, lack of an I'd, I was exhausted, or I was not attracted). For some girls, they were pretty, but I was just not up to the task (dammit if I was just 10 years younger) , so I either sent them away or just took some pics of the girl.

[Nvslim]

In all of this girly stuff, I did not bang all of the girls who ended up in the room with me. Some I sent away (young, lack of an I'd, I was exhausted, or I was not attracted). For some girls, they were pretty, but I was just not up to the task (dammit if I was just 10 years younger) , so I either sent them away or just took some pics of the girl.How the hell did you do all the fucking. Even in my dreams much less my prime would I attempt something like that.

At least you are holding up the monger tradition for the rest of us.

Have fun, oh, you already are.

Slim

[WestCoast1]

How the hell did you do all the fucking. Even in my dreams much less my prime would I attempt something like that.

At least you are holding up the monger tradition for the rest of us.

Have fun, oh, you already are.

SlimNot quite. The large number of girls were there. In fact, the original lady, E. I sent quite a number of her girls away because she kept bringing girls who appeared too young. Factor in also I would keep M all night, but not always bang her (mornings were better). It would have appeared to the door guys that I was banging numerous girls daily, but some of those girls were in the room for talk only, or for pictures only. There were times when I just was not up to the task. Considering the 'pettes had set rock bottom pricing, you could take her girl upstairs for 30 minutes of nawty pics only, some light kissing and fun (or even just for the pics its worthwhile). E herself was there for the cam sometimes, and we'd have a bite to eat (I keep food in the fridge) , sit and talk. Off they went. I'll PM you with something.

Also previously I said something incorrectly. Interestingly, nobody minded waiting in the lobby, and E didn't even mind waiting sometimes only to be told 'no thanks'. I was too tired to take E's girl. That's not 100% correct. One day she brought a girl who appeared too young. I said no thanks. A while later she returned with another girl, also too young, with a brand new fake I'd. The I'd was long and rectangular, not laminated, with a typed place for name, birthdate, address. A recent photo of the girl (wearing the same shirt she had on) was pasted (partially) on to the paper I'd. The name area had been handwritten (not typed). The birthdate was blank, as was the address. I showed it to the door guy, he had not seen that as an I'd before. I told E no thanks again, to try and bring me an ADULT. Apparently that did not sit well, being told twice in a row to walk away. She wanted me to pay her p50, the cost of having the recently faked I'd made. In retrospect, I should have just handed her p50, but I decided against paying her expenses. She walked away in a huff and left behind a few "Fuck YOU"s. Lesson learned, it was not worth the p50 for that. I figured I would not see her anymore. But, you guessed it, half hour later she txts (yet another stranger's phone number) : "this E I have new girl you come robinson."

[FreebieFan]

What's so hard to believe! Yes I vehemently agree, just ask Chocha Monger and Warbucks!Gosh. Chocha Monger racist. Who would have thought. ! Well he rarely posts and his posts are as dull as dishwater, but when he does hes always got some axe to grind. Damn shame that I'm not going to be seeing your reply Monger. You are sweetly ignored by me.

[Pip Jaeger]

So I would give her one of those small strips of paper with my number on it. A few hours later (or, sometimes 15 minutes later) I would get a txt from a strange phone number like this: "hi I'm irene I use my sister phone remember you fuck me? I have cousin you want?" If I didn't respond then 20 minutes later I would get a txt from another stranger's phone: "hi again I'm irene I use my cousin phone now you want to fuck her?" Not only were the offers blatant, the phone numbers were constantly shifting per girl.That brings back some very fond (and also confusing) memories of my time in Cebu, LOL. I am still amazed by how many of these girls will gladly introduce you to their cousins, friends, co-workers, mothers, etc.

Keep up the good work

[Jp Slicky]

Careful guys!

I was standing in front of the airplane at Narita waiting to board a flight to Manila and my name was called out to come to the desk.

Turns out that the Phil Gov and it's questionable logic, requires your passport to be over 6 months from the expireration date.

I was short by friggen 2 days and they would not allow me to board the plane. I can't blame the airline too much because they get fined by the Phil Gov if someone like me shows up on their door step, but I figure with that looney Gov, its nothing that 500P would not take care of

I was escorted out of the airport to home.

Good thing is St. Giles won't charge me a cancellation fee and the airline will refund the cost of my ticket. But I eat the cost of transportation.

No action for me again here on devils island. I am trying for Oct 5th departure, but not sure I will have passport in time and get a seat on the plane. Shit Happens!

[WestCoast1]

That brings back some very fond (and also confusing) memories of my time in Cebu, LOL. I am still amazed by how many of these girls will gladly introduce you to their cousins, friends, co-workers, mothers, etc.

Keep up the good workPip, thanks. I will admit that the particular week or so that I was in Manila was unusual for this reason: the girls were coming to me, not the other way around. Normally you have to chat them up in DIA, or at least taxi over to MBC (putting forth some effort). This time they were being brought to me.

Cebu is the other place where I've had this kind of thing happen. You are right about cebuanas having a cousin or friend ("she my best friend till now") to bring over to your place. The often suggest it right after they leave, in txt. Several times in Cebu I would take a dorm girl, then have her bring girl after girl for later sessions (and at lower prices. Lower than p700 from the dorm. Beat that). And yet another time in Cebu, I waltzed 6 girls (including two sets of two girls from mall pickups) in / out of the front door of the Diplomat hotel in about a 15-hour period. These large numbers of girls are not the norm.

Oddly, sometimes, there can be a feeling of: why not? So many girls can make the sex time less enjoyable, or not possible to perform at times. OTOH, its a bit like hitting an all-you-can-eat buffet at a restaurant; there is a tendency to stuff myself and overeat (at this price, why not?).

[WhatsUrName]

Hey Guys. Just a heads up. I was in MBC the other day, and a couple of girls said that they were permanently ending the live entertainment upstairs. I didn't hang around long enough to confirm it as I found a cutie rather quickly. I'll be in MBC within the next several days and will try to reconfirm one way or the other.

[Rick Rock]

Careful guys!

I was standing in front of the airplane at Narita waiting to board a flight to Manila and my name was called out to come to the desk.

Turns out that the Phil Gov and it's questionable logic, requires your passport to be over 6 months from the expireration date.That's actually the norm in much of the world. I can think of at least a dozen countries off hand with this requirement. Some also require a minimum number of empty pages in your passport. It's best policy to double check these kinds of things before planning travel, as it can lead to unfortunate shit like what you experienced. Sorry you missed out on your trip!

[WestCoast1]

Turns out that the Phil Gov and it's questionable logic, requires your passport to be over 6 months from the expireration date.

I was escorted out of the airport to home.Standard procedure in just about every country I thought was to require you to have a valid passport upon entering the country for at least 6 months. I take it the Immigration officer missed that in your passport upon your arrival. Am a bit surprised your airline who flew you into the Phils missed it. From the US State Dept. Website:

ENTRY / EXIT REQUIREMENTS FOR USA CITIZENS: USA citizens may enter the Philippines for purposes of tourism without a visa if they present their USA passport, valid for at least six months after their date of entry into the Philippines,

Similar for Indonesia:

ENTRY / EXIT REQUIREMENTS FOR USA CITIZENS: You will need a passport valid for at least six months following the date of your arrival to Indonesia. The USA Embassy cannot obtain entry permission for USA citizens with expiring passports. If you arrive and your passport has less than six month's validity, Indonesian authorities will require you to depart Indonesia immediately to obtain a new USA passport elsewhere; you will not be allowed to renew your passport here and follow-up later with Indonesian authorities. Also, if your passport does not have the required six month's validity remaining on your passport, you may be denied boarding at your point of origin or at a transit point en route.

[LukeSkywalker]

MBC should fire that lousy band, save the money, strike deals for reduced rates with the free lancers and run a raffle for a free pussy on the premises every hour for all drinking customers.

I bet that would be very exciting and would attract a lot of old gizzards that side of the Pacific. Sure beats the noise made by the stupid band. MBC would be packed days and nights . . .

Of course MBC should consult its legal counsel re how Manila's vice busting mayor would view bald-headed old guys sucking on young, fresh pussies in the bar. . .


Hey Guys. Just a heads up. I was in MBC the other day, and a couple of girls said that they were permanently ending the live entertainment upstairs. I didn't hang around long enough to confirm it as I found a cutie rather quickly. I'll be in MBC within the next several days and will try to reconfirm one way or the other.

[Jp Slicky]

No WC1, I did not even make it on to the airplane thus not arrive in Phils.

The last two passports I have had, I needed to add extra pages. I have been in and out of many countries for mongering and non mongering purposes. I just never ever heard of this until yesterday when I tried to board. I would have taken care of the passport had I known this rule. I just do not understand why its a requirement and at 6 months too.

The person that should have nabbed me was at check in. So painful the feeling, I honestly did not want to look at the Manila bound airplane outside. I will apply for a new passport soon and hope for an Oct 5th depature and perhaps more Likely a Nov 22 departure.

[BrainDrain]

Oddly, sometimes, there can be a feeling of: why not? So many girls can make the sex time less enjoyable, or not possible to perform at times. OTOH, its a bit like hitting an all-you-can-eat buffet at a restaurant; there is a tendency to stuff myself and overeat (at this price, why not?).It's just be cost effective. The opportunity cost of not taking the other girl is greater than the cost of missing out on a good Pinay.

It costs less for a real live girl in Phils hotel than it does for a porn movie in my home country hotels.

[Starchild2012]

Careful guys!

I was standing in front of the airplane at Narita waiting to board a flight to Manila and my name was called out to come to the desk.

Turns out that the Phil Gov and it's questionable logic, requires your passport to be over 6 months from the expireration date.

I was short by friggen 2 days and they would not allow me to board the plane. I can't blame the airline too much because they get fined by the Phil Gov if someone like me shows up on their door step, but I figure with that looney Gov, its nothing that 500P would not take care of

I was escorted out of the airport to home.

Good thing is St. Giles won't charge me a cancellation fee and the airline will refund the cost of my ticket. But I eat the cost of transportation.

No action for me again here on devils island. I am trying for Oct 5th departure, but not sure I will have passport in time and get a seat on the plane. Shit Happens!Six months Minimum was discussed in this forum couple of months back and just about all the topic written on PH visa requirements in Google search. Earlier, they were not that strict, now they are. ALSO. Did you know, you need a confirmed return air ticket to gain entry. They are very strict on this now a days, earlier they weren't.

Just to give you a heads up, even if you renew your passport, make sure, you book a return ticket as well, else, they won't let you board the plane. Good luck.

[Soapy Smith]

Of course MBC should consult its legal counsel re how Manila's vice busting mayor would view bald-headed old guys sucking on young, fresh pussies in the bar. .Municipal elections are scheduled for May 2013. Alfredo Lim, the current mayor, was responsible for pushing vice-like businesses out of the city during his earlier terms in the 90s. He has seemed a bit more moderated in his most recent two terms (2007-2010 and 2010-2013) , but he's also been responsible for some stupid actions, like wiping out all of the baywalk businesses, and some people fault him for the clumsy police handling of the Chinese tourist bus massacre. Some people also criticize him for failing to deal with flood drainage systems. He will turn 83 in December but intends to run for office again. (Sort of begs the image of an 83 year old Clint Eastwood carrying on an incoherent conversation with an empty chair.)

He will have stiffer competition this time around from Josesph Estrada, former President. Estrada was coerced into resigning as President when he got caught with his fingers in the illegal gambling cookie jar and was eventually prosecuted and found guilty of corruption charges. Gloria Arroyo, who had been his Vice President, replaced him and turned out to be even more corrupt than Estrada, eventually pardoned him. Estrada remains very popular with the masses, in part because as an actor he played numerous roles in which he came to the rescue of the poor and downtrodden, and the image stuck with Filipinos who couldn't separate his acting roles from his real-life persona. He's actually from a well-healed and influential Laguna Province family (real name Ejercito). He chain smokes, drinks a lot, loves to gamble, and has children by several different women. But he remains popular, and in Philippine politics personality and visibility are important, and political parties form and disassemble around major personalities and have little enduring stability around particular public policies.

Some informed people I talk to think Estrada will win. My hunch is that's good for mongers. Lim is a former police official who was famous for protecting Cory Aquino during one or more of the coup attempts against her, and he seems to still fancy himself a crusader. Of course, he takes his share of kickbacks too. Estrada, on the other hand, has lived a lifestyle that's much closer to people on this board. So as long as MBC and the other businesses grease his campaign and other coffers, life under Estrada (IMHO) is likely to be live-and-let-live.

[Jp Slicky]

It was the Japanese airline that would not let me on the plane so did not have any contact with phil immigration

Had I made it on and arrived in Manila with my passport the way it is no doubt the airline would have been fined.

Also.

I have extra pages put in last two passports and been in and out with no passport problems tons of times that includes the Phils so missing this item is probable.

My passport expires in March 2013 so why would I not go?

It just sucks to be watching the action again instead of being there.

I go on tues to see about renewing

Yes I had a retun ticket.

Had they not offered to not return my money I would have demanded my seat on the plane.

While waiting to be escorted out I just could not look at the Manila bound flight

[X Man]

I don't think I would have liked to be anywhere near JP Slicky after this happened! Not a good day. FWIW, my travel agent in Tokyo looks out for this. JP, you might want to make a complaint to your agent. It won't do you a damn bit of good, but maybe the next guy ends up having a better day than you did.

Oh, and I'm guessing your airline was NOT Philippine Airlines. Is that correct? I'm thinking PA would have let you board and then let you deal with immigration, which may have meant an exchange of money, which (I'm just saying!) explains the reason why they have such a ridiculous rule. X.


No WC1, I did not even make it on to the airplane thus not arrive in Phils.

The last two passports I have had, I needed to add extra pages. I have been in and out of many countries for mongering and non mongering purposes. I just never ever heard of this until yesterday when I tried to board. I would have taken care of the passport had I known this rule. I just do not understand why its a requirement and at 6 months too.

The person that should have nabbed me was at check in. So painful the feeling, I honestly did not want to look at the Manila bound airplane outside. I will apply for a new passport soon and hope for an Oct 5th depature and perhaps more Likely a Nov 22 departure.

[Jp Slicky]

Airline was Japan Air.

Even with PA I feel they would of yanked me there. PA Gate people run by japanese, and they follow the rules to the letter.

Take this. If you bought something in the store, and you were even one yen short, they will not give it to you.

[Simian]

The requirement to present a printout of your ticket out of the Philippines within 3 weeks of your date of arrival is the result of a nonsense policy. Not all tourists or business visitors have such a print out and I have seen quite a few people being refused checkin for a flight by Cebu Pacific and then having to find an internet cafe with a printer etc etc. And the immigration officers NEVER ask to see your ticket out. Only the airlines do this because they are paranoid that they will have to fork out for the ticket if person is rejected from the Philippines for not having an exit ticket.

This nonsense policy is yet another reason for business people and tourists not to come to the Philippines, no matter how much money the government spends on TV ads like "ITs more Fun in the Philippines." Foreign Direct Investment in Philippines is a fraction of what other countries in Asia (like Vietnam) are getting; as are tourist numbers when compared with THailand. Getting rid of this nonsense policy would not be a solution to these problems but it would be a start!

[El Greco]

The requirement to present a printout of your ticket out of the Philippines within 3 weeks of your date of arrival is the result of a nonsense policy. Not all tourists or business visitors have such a print out and I have seen quite a few people being refused checkin for a flight by Cebu Pacific and then having to find an internet cafe with a printer etc etc. And the immigration officers NEVER ask to see your ticket out. Only the airlines do this because they are paranoid that they will have to fork out for the ticket if person is rejected from the Philippines for not having an exit ticket.It is not only for the "ticket out" price.

I don't know about Philippines but other countries can charge the airline $2000-5000 USD if the passenger can not show to the immigration officer on arrival a ticket out of the country.

[Mc Don]

The requirement to present a printout of your ticket out of the Philippines within 3 weeks of your date of arrival is the result of a nonsense policy. Not all tourists or business visitors have such a print out and I have seen quite a few people being refused checkin for a flight by Cebu Pacific and then having to find an internet cafe with a printer etc etc.I was asked by SEAIR (tiger) 4 my ticket out of phils in feb. I didn't have a print out but knew the date and the airline (Cebu Pac) and they were able to look it up. I found it strange because it was a rival airline and my destination was not SG either but there you go they can actually find you on the system. They wrote my details and the the details of my flight out on the back of the boarding pass and let me through.

[WestCoast1]

I don't think I would have liked to be anywhere near JP Slicky after this happened! Not a good day. FWIW, my travel agent in Tokyo looks out for this. JP, you might want to make a complaint to your agent. It won't do you a damn bit of good, but maybe the next guy ends up having a better day than you did.He might not use an agent.


The requirement to present a printout of your ticket out of the Philippines within 3 weeks of your date of arrival is the result of a nonsense policy. Not all tourists or business visitors have such a print out and I have seen quite a few people being refused checkin for a flight by Cebu Pacific and then having to find an internet cafe with a printer etc etc.When departing the US for phils, I've had two different airlines in the last year question my onward travel itinerary. Also a gent in queue next to me was pulled aside for failing to have an onward itinerary within the 21-day limit (lets assume he was denied boarding).


And the immigration officers NEVER ask to see your ticket out. Only the airlines do this because they are paranoid that they will have to fork out for the ticket if person is rejected from the Philippines for not having an exit ticket.Au contraire. I've been asked for my proof of onward travel previously (and recently) , and previously a guy in the que next to me was asked for his when he handed his passport to the Immigration lady upon arrival (he fished it out of his pocket).

An interesting discussion one year ago with an AC mama that I date, regarding some of the rules (that may seem silly to me) that limit us. Why the 21-day-only rule? Why the airline outbound ticket check? Etc. One of her explainations: 'You want to spend many weeks here? Maybe 1 month or 2 months? You think we want you here for whole two months? No. We want you to fly here spend money fly home fly here spend money fly home fly here spend money many times. Three trips this year stay few weeks, better than one trip stay two months. Please use Philippine Airlines hahaha. ' Being a business woman, she was thinking of the transportation industry, and she thinks a bit more advanced than your typical pinay (who can't tell you what island her province is located on). While I too would like to see the 21-day rule extended to 30 days (or more) , shorter stay times may mean more trips (or not, but that may be their thinking). In other words, while you see it to their advantage for letting you stay longer in phils (you will spend more on hotels and food and such, good for them) , they might not see it the same way that you do. They must be dead serious about this thing if they are hitting airlines with large fees.

[MrHombre]

[quote=westcoast1; 1327351]he might not use an agent.

an interesting discussion one year ago with an ac mama that i date, regarding some of the rules (that may seem silly to me) that limit us. why the 21-day-only rule?

this year i got an extended stay visit issued from a philippines consulate in the usa it's good for multiple stays of no more than 59 days each. i have to use this visa within a year of its issue date and then it expires. you can apply for one extended stay of 59 dafr $30. 00 us or multiple stays for $90. 00. i thought when i applied that i was getting three long stays for my $90. 00 but the visa simply says 'multiple' stays, so it could be more. you have to do the dance properly to get this visa. the form and its directions can be found on the philippine embassy websites, but the directions are not complete. not only that, i called the closest embassy to me (800 miles away) twice to clarify the directions to make sure the application was complete. bzzzt! no, it was not. here's what they don't make clear: 1) you send them a cashier's check for $30 or $90, your preference: 2) you send them a return envelope with postage that is certified mail, not just a regular return envelope; 3) and you send them your current passport. that last requirement gave me the willies. what if they lost it, or did not return it in time? trip down the drain and huge hassle getting a new passport and changing all reservations and tickets. i sent all of the documents to them three months before my trip. nothing happened for a month, so i started calling the embassy phone number. most of the time no one answered. it took a week to finally get through to someone in the visa section that spoke english well enough to be understood on our crummy cell phone system. that's when i found out about the cashier's check (not my personal check already sent) , the certified mail return envelope (versus the manila envelope with postage already sent) and my passport! i gulped about eight times before finally sending the package to them. would it find the right person? would the new package intersect with the application already sent? would they get the business done in time? much to my shock, the embassy began calling me daily to tell me about the progress of my application (received; complete; at so-and so-s desk; will be finished and mailed tomorrow; then calls every day to see if i had received my passport back). the service received and the speed were incredible, given my prior experience with phils bureaucracy. all seemed in order, with the shiny plastic extended multiple stay visa glued onto a page in my passport. it was only when i was on the plane to manila that i noticed that my passport number had been copied onto the extended stay visa but was off by a digit. it didn't seem to matter when i cleared immigration in manila.

anyway, long story to fill you in on the pitfalls and rewards of this program. for 90 bucks i think it's a bargain. my first use of this visa was only 29 days, not 59, but the trip was way more enjoyable without that 21 day pressure to get business done and get out.

[WestCoast1]

this year i got an extended stay visit issued from a philippines consulate in the usa it's good for multiple stays of no more than 59 days each. i have to use this visa within a year of its issue date and then it expires. snip.

nothing happened for a month, so i started calling the embassy phone number. most of the time no one answered. it took a week to finally get through to someone in the visa section that spoke english well enough to be understood on our crummy cell phone system. that's when i found out about the cashier's check (not my personal check already sent) , the certified mail return envelope (versus the manila envelope with postage already sent) and my passport! i gulped about eight times before finally sending the package to them. would it find the right person? would the new package intersect with the application already sent? would they get the business done in time? much to my shock, the embassy began calling me daily to tell me about the progress of my application (received; complete; at so-and so-s desk; will be finished and mailed tomorrow; then calls every day to see if i had received my passport back). the service received and the speed were incredible, given my prior experience with phils bureaucracy. all seemed in order, with the shiny plastic extended multiple stay visa glued onto a page in my passport. it was only when i was on the plane to manila that i noticed that my passport number had been copied onto the extended stay visa but was off by a digit. it didn't seem to matter when i cleared immigration in manila.

anyway, long story to fill you in on the pitfalls and rewards of this program. for 90 bucks i think it's a bargain. my first use of this visa was only 29 days, not 59, but the trip was way more enjoyable without that 21 day pressure to get business done and get out.i, too applied for an extended visa. i, too gulped when sending my passport to a pilipine embassy. i thought the directions were clear on the application directions about the cashier's check or postal money order. i used ups to send the app, passport, check, and return envelope; and i sent it round-trip. i was able to follow its tracking with the ups number. here's how stunningly well it went: the filipine embassy processed my visa and had it outbound from within 24 hours of receipt (via ups tracking). that means it arrived wednesday morning, and they were done with it by wednesday afternoon and had it ready for ups pickup the next morning.

as an aside, i got the questioning about my length of stay from my airline when checking in at lax: "sir your itinerary shows longer than 21 days. do you have a visa? this could be a problem." i showed him the visa in the passport. another gent in the line next to me was starting to have an argument with the checkin-agent about a similar thing, and he was asked to step aside and a supervisor walked away with the gent. also when i got to manila i handed the passport and itinerary to the immigration lady, and before she even swiped the passport, she looked at my itinerary and began to tell me i was staying longer than 21 days, blah blah. i pointed her to the visa in the passport. she swiped it and told me to have a good trip, with a smile. sometimes things do work right.

costs: $30 app fee. $21 ups. also you must include two passport-sized pics. notary needed on signature line, free thru my trabajo. about $60 total.

[Wicked Roger]

Au contraire. I've been asked for my proof of onward travel previously (and recently) , and previously a guy in the que next to me was asked for his when he handed his passport to the Immigration lady upon arrival (he fished it out of his pocket).This has been discussed on another thread in the PI forum but the Philippines is the only country I travel to (and I fly a lot) that asks for this. It is stupid and as someone pointed out earlier that the e ticket system is supposed to save costs except in this country.

I have recently seen a young couple asked for the outbound ticket (from PI) when arriving on Cebu Pacific from an overseas destination. They did not have it as coming from Europe (the couple that is) it was an e ticket they had bought online and the guy rightly, IMHO, pointed this out to the immigration guy saying "why must I have a hard copy as I have an e ticket". I was not in the queue long enough to see what happended to the couple.

It is annoyinmg, it is ridiculous and the continued lack of a 30 day visa (coupled with the over active NGOs) may make some look to Thailand etc.

I was asked for my outbound ticket by Emirates (for the first time recently) and I was truly stunned. So was the cutie behind the desk who smiled and said this was "the Philippine government not the airline asking as I can see your return flight in the system". So I always have a print out for the Philippines (nowhere else)

They really know how to welcome tourists to the Philippines.

[Slippery]

If I'm staying longer than 21 days, its always an excuse to run up to AC and have an agency handle it. GF hasn't caught onto my other motives for those trips.

[Starchild2012]

Hahaha. We know its all stupid. BUT I would never ever take a chance between hell and paradise when all between them is a piece of paper. Our knowledge, our intelligence, our sanity, our whole way of life is put to question in these occasions BUT why take a risk. Traveling 10, 000 miles to paradise just so that they can find an excuse to send us back home to hell. 'because you did not had a piece of paper.

I have learned a hard lesson. JUST COMPLY. Never ever argue with an Immigration officer. Always smile, obey, even if you knew its stupid. The gate to heaven through hell is always difficult.

On my last visit, I was pulled over and I was lucky I had all the papers. Hotel voucher, return ticket, visa under 21 days, old expired passport visa stamps, my work experience, my credit card details, my six months bank statement, my identity documents, my reference in Philippines and I showed them one by one. All for 10 day tourist visa. And I was surrounded by two immigration officers who asked senseless questions even before I landed in the immigration counter. They just pulled me over out of 100 people. I was the unlucky one that day.

THEY JUST NEED PAPERS. I doubt. If they even read through it. Just show them bunch of papers and they will be happy.

I wouldn't care if they threw me out. If I was in for work or meeting or conference in Philippines. 'because my mood would be already gloomy, but if they do this on my vacation. I would hate it. Besides. Once you get laid. All is forgotten. So its all worth it. . :0)

[Fast Eddie 48]

This has been discussed on another thread in the PI forum but the Philippines is the only country I travel to (and I fly a lot) that asks for this. It is stupid and as someone pointed out earlier that the e ticket system is supposed to save costs except in this country.

I have recently seen a young couple asked for the outbound ticket (from PI) when arriving on Cebu Pacific from an overseas destination. They did not have it as coming from Europe (the couple that is) it was an e ticket they had bought online and the guy rightly, IMHO, pointed this out to the immigration guy saying "why must I have a hard copy as I have an e ticket". I was not in the queue long enough to see what happended to the couple.

It is annoyinmg, it is ridiculous and the continued lack of a 30 day visa (coupled with the over active NGOs) may make some look to Thailand etc.

I was asked for my outbound ticket by Emirates (for the first time recently) and I was truly stunned. So was the cutie behind the desk who smiled and said this was "the Philippine government not the airline asking as I can see your return flight in the system". So I always have a print out for the Philippines (nowhere else)

They really know how to welcome tourists to the Philippines.To Wicked roger.

I go to PI 2 time a yr the last 10 yr only ask to show onward ticket once, Indoneasia government also request you to have onward ticket and I was in Hong kong last yr on a flight to Jarkata cathay pacific I must have a onward ticket before I can board the flight.

Fast Eddie 48

[Wicked Roger]

On my last visit, I was pulled over and I was lucky I had all the papers. Hotel voucher, return ticket, visa under 21 days, old expired passport visa stamps, my work experience, my credit card details, my six months bank statement, my identity documents, my reference in Philippines and I showed them one by one. All for 10 day tourist visa. And I was surrounded by two immigration officers who asked senseless questions even before I landed in the immigration counter. They just pulled me over out of 100 people. I was the unlucky one that day.

THEY JUST NEED PAPERS. I doubt. If they even read through it. Just show them bunch of papers and they will be happy.

:0) SC.

Methinks you are getting a tad paranoid.

Who pulled you over before immigration and why show all that stuff. If you are legitimate visitor they may ask for the ticket home (hard copy) and of course a valid passport, but the rest? I am doubtful IMHO as I have been through NAIA a lot and never seen that.

I have seen an Indain sub continent guy in the 59 day visa office who had been previously banned and was wondering why he was not being allowed in but that is all.

Just saying this sounds so odd and seems that you brought all the papers in anticipation of being given the full search etc. So maybe you draw attention to yourself somehow.

[Pip Jaeger]

Ok guys. You got me totally confused, LOL.

When I arrived in early May I simply gave the immigration officer my passport and a printout of my flight itinerary (e ticket). My return was booked for late June; a total stay of just over 6 weeks. I did not have any visa and he simply stamped my passport with the 21 day one that everybody gets. Did I just lucky because it was late at night when I arrived and perhaps he didn't pay any attention to the dates of my return?

Once I got to Cebu I used a travel agent there (recommended by the concierge at the Quest hotel) to get the 59 day extension. The service charged 4, 530php (3, 030 gov fees and 1, 500 for their service). Considering it would be same day service, I thought it was quite reasonable. But I was a bit apprehensive about giving up my passport to a total stranger (BTW, he did show me identification and I had the front desk make me a copy, no objections on his part). An agent came to the hotel in the morning, we did the paperwork, and he was back later that afternoon with my passport; of course with the visa extension as well as a full printout / receipt of the costs incurred (the gov fees are also stamped into my passport as well, right next to the visa itself).

I took this route based on info I read here and on some other forums as well. Naturally I had a backup plan in case the visa extension was denied (leave the Phils for a day or so and start the 21 day visa over again).

So now I am confused; have they changed the requirements? For my next visit, where I'd like to stay for about 80 days (21 + 59) , do I now need to have the 59 day visa extension in advance?

I've looked on the Philippines' Embassy website and it's not clear there. Nor is the requirement for sending a certified mail or UPS / FedEx type return envelope; although I've always done that when I've gotten other travel visas for some of the former CIS countries I've been to.

WC, was the visa you got beforehand valid for a 90 day stay or did it have to be used within a certain 90 day period? Or just 59 and do they add the 21 days to that when you arrive?

The bottom line; what's the best and safest route for me go to get a total of 80 days in the Phils? The same way I did it before? I want to have my ducks lined up in a row and not have any issues, like being denied entry or being able to get on an airplane, just because of bureaucracy.

[WestCoast1]

Ok guys. You got me totally confused, LOL.

SNIP.

I've looked on the Philippines' Embassy website and it's not clear there. Nor is the requirement for sending a certified mail or UPS / FedEx type return envelope; although I've always done that when I've gotten other travel visas for some of the former CIS countries I've been to.

WC, was the visa you got beforehand valid for a 90 day stay or did it have to be used within a certain 90 day period? Or just 59 and do they add the 21 days to that when you arrive?

The bottom line; what's the best and safest route for me go to get a total of 80 days in the Phils? The same way I did it before? I want to have my ducks lined up in a row and not have any issues, like being denied entry or being able to get on an airplane, just because of bureaucracy.You have raised the good question. I've talked to others who did it your way, just show up with an itinerary over 21 days, and get a stamp at Immingration for 21 days, then extend once in-country. I got my extension prior to leaving out of fear that my airline carrier in the US might not let me board in Los Angeles. Pip, where did you fly into Phils from? I've seen two carriers now (Hawaiian and Korean Air) get pissy in the US at the international terminal when the itinerary was incorrect without a visa. Someone else posted that airlines are now being charged for delivering passengers with an itinerary like yours.

My extended visa says 59 days: "Authorized to stay not to exceed fifty-nine (59) days." The issue date was early May, the expiration date is 90 days later in early August. In other words, I could enter anytime between early May and depart by early August, and stay no more than 59 days. I had emailed the embassy several times prior asking questions about certified mail, etc, several months ahead of time. They warned me not to send the visa application until 1 month prior to my travel; saying that once processed by them, there was a 90-day window (in my case, early may. Early August) to complete travel.

On the visa page in my passport, there is a square arrival stamp (red) from my arrival date both on that page, and also on the blank page prior to it. There is also a round departure stamp (green) on the page prior.

BTW, emailing the embassy is truly hit/miss. I would send an email and not get an answer. I'd re-send it every day for a week, and get no reply. I would wait a few days and send it again, and get a reply 5 minutes later. The emails would go back and forth quickly for 2 days, then stop completely again for a week, then start back up for a few days. I would imagine calling on the phone has the same results.

[WestCoast1]

Ok guys. You got me totally confused, LOL.

When I arrived in early May I simply gave the immigration officer my passport and a printout of my flight itinerary (e ticket). My return was booked for late June; a total stay of just over 6 weeks. I did not have any visa and he simply stamped my passport with the 21 day one that everybody gets. Did I just lucky because it was late at night when I arrived and perhaps he didn't pay any attention to the dates of my return?Someone may have posted this before, from a Manila newspaper in July:

http://manilastandardtoday.com/www2/2012/07/23/policy-on-tourists-imposed/



Policy on tourists imposed

By Eric B. Apolonio | Posted on July 23, 2012 | 12:07am | 0 Comments

The Bureau of Immigration would impose fines on airlines that allow foreign tourists to board an aircraft and travel to the Philippines without return tickets, airport operations chief Ben Se said on Sunday.

Se said the administrative order on return tickets issued by Immigration Commissioner Ricardo David, which takes effect today, is an international practice, which is implemented in almost all countries in the world.

'This rule is meant to guarantee that a tourist will leave the host country before the lapse of his stay as a temporary visitor, ' David said in his order.

Section 29 of the Immigration Act provides that aliens who arrive as tourists would be excluded and sent back to their port of origin they do not have valid return or onward tickets.

[Wicked Roger]

Se said the administrative order on return tickets issued by Immigration Commissioner Ricardo David, which takes effect today, is an international practice, which is implemented in almost all countries in the world.

'This rule is meant to guarantee that a tourist will leave the host country before the lapse of his stay as a temporary visitor, ' David said in his order.

Section 29 of the Immigration Act provides that aliens who arrive as tourists would be excluded and sent back to their port of origin they do not have valid return or onward tickets. [/I]In my experience it should relly read " is never implemented in any other country in the world". Only the Philippines as it likes to make you welcome.

It is enacted with regard to visas so for example, if you travel to Dubai from Manila there is always a massive queue of passengers having their visas checked prior to check in (and then once approved and checked in the immigration officer will deplane that person as the visa is invalid. Pinoy logic!) , even more so if going to Saudi Arabia. That bit is understood by all as airlines do get fined for bringing invalid passengers (ie those without a valid entry visa).

But those without an onward hard copy of their ticket in an age of e tickets?

As I said. Some mongers will eventually get fed up and fly to Thailand or elsewhere if they are inadvertenty hassled on this by over reaching immigration officials

[Wicked Roger]

Ok guys. You got me totally confused, LOL.

When I arrived in early May I simply gave the immigration officer my passport and a printout of my flight itinerary (e ticket). My return was booked for late June; a total stay of just over 6 weeks. I did not have any visa and he simply stamped my passport with the 21 day one that everybody gets. Did I just lucky because it was late at night when I arrived and perhaps he didn't pay any attention to the dates of my return?

Once I got to Cebu I used a travel agent there (recommended by the concierge at the Quest hotel) to get the 59 day extension. The service charged 4, 530php (3, 030 gov fees and 1, 500 for their service). Considering it would be same day service, I thought it was quite reasonable. But I was a bit apprehensive about giving up my passport to a total stranger (BTW, he did show me identification and I had the front desk make me a copy, no objections on his part). An agent came to the hotel in the morning, we did the paperwork, and he was back later that afternoon with my passport; of course with the visa extension as well as a full printout / receipt of the costs incurred (the gov fees are also stamped into my passport as well, right next to the visa itself).Pip

If you had visited the small office to the left of the immigration booths upon arrival at NAIA you could have got a 59 visa for less than 3000 pesos. I do this when I need and is no hassle, can take up to 15 mins and sometimes you meet the odd interesting characater. Also once you have the visa receipr, you just hop into the queue immediately outside the office that is normally reserved for non westerners (or something that is not for able boied mongers!) and the immigration officer will stamp your passport. No need to be ripped off by any hotel (some guys have had major worries doing what you did as a week later the passport had not been returned)

Now given what I have read on this it does seem there maybe a different 'rule' if flying out of the USA on certain carriers but that would never effect me but I understand if that is a concern then it should be processed in the home country.

If not just get it at the airport on arrival and is much cheaper IMHO

[WestCoast1]

Pip

If you had visited the small office to the left of the immigration booths upon arrival at NAIA you could have got a 59 visa for less than 3000 pesos. SNIP.

If not just get it at the airport on arrival and is much cheaper IMHORoger, thanks. Was not aware of that. So, this office is before the immigration booths, or after you passed thru immigration (on towards the luggage carousels)?

[X Man]

WC, you need to read more carefully! WR wrote: "Also once you have the visa receipr, you just hop into the queue immediately outside the office that is normally reserved for non westerners and the immigration officer will stamp your passport."

For the record, I once inquired at the Phil embassy in Tokyo and was stunned at all the paperwork and the high cost they wanted. In the end, I paid a travel agent in the Philippines to do it for me and it was much cheaper.

Anyway, good info from WR. I always thought that little office was a place I wanted to avoid! LOL.


Roger, thanks. Was not aware of that. So, this office is before the immigration booths, or after you passed thru immigration (on towards the luggage carousels)?

[Wicked Roger]

Roger, thanks. Was not aware of that. So, this office is before the immigration booths, or after you passed thru immigration (on towards the luggage carousels)?Is before the immigration booths, Just nest to next to the furthest left booth WC as you walk towards passport contro.

XMan. Is interesting as all the stuff is done by hand! Barely a PC in sight hence it can take more time than it should but saves a lot of hassle but as the luggage takes time it is worth the wait rather than do it later and get worried maybe about giving your passport to an agent etc

[Soapy Smith]

Now given what I have read on this it does seem there maybe a different 'rule' if flying out of the USA on certain carriers but that would never effect me but I understand if that is a concern then it should be processed in the home country.Once with Northwest (before merger with Delta) and this June on a Delta / Korean Air combination the ticket agents at my originating airport in the U.S. pressed the issue of the 21 day limit before processing my ticket and luggage. In the first case my return flight left Manila on the 21st day, although my total time in country would have been about 20 and a half days. The agent kept referring to instructions he had about not permitting passage if the Philippine in-country stay was more than 21 days, and I had to walk him carefully through the calendar math to convince him I was within the 21 day limit. On my June flight I was staying in country 28 days. The ticket agent (Delta) pointed out the 21 day limit. I advised her I had a Philippine 59 day visa stamped in my passport. She couldn't make sense of it, or maybe didn't believe what she was reading, so called over a more senior agent. It took them 25 minutes to figure out whether or not to process me through. After a phone call to somebody else they let me go through, but this left me anxious about getting my checked bags through TSA and onto my flight, since they sometimes go through international bound bags more thoroughly. Fortunately my first flight was not very full, or the crush of other passengers might have screwed my chances of getting on the flight.

BTW, I processed the visa through the Philippine embassy in Washington. Application form, money order, two photos and return express mail packaging via USPS, and the total turnaround time was about ten days. I'd rather jump through these extra hoops for advance visa processing than run the chance of having Delta bump me from my flight at the last minute.

[X Man]

I use the luggage time to load the PI phone, find a hotel room, and line up a few "dates in asia".

Seriously, this is great info and I sincerely hope to take advantage of it someday. Unfortunately, I rarely get 21+ day holidays. X.


Is before the immigration booths, Just nest to next to the furthest left booth WC as you walk towards passport contro.

XMan. Is interesting as all the stuff is done by hand! Barely a PC in sight hence it can take more time than it should but saves a lot of hassle but as the luggage takes time it is worth the wait rather than do it later and get worried maybe about giving your passport to an agent etc

[X Man]

Good info SKost. I sometimes have reason to go to Detroit, so this is good to know.

I was once trying to take a bicycle on an international flight on NWA. Same story. 25 min looking thru manuals. I stayed patient and stayed friendly, and they found the no cost option. Patient and friendly is not my usual modus operandi, but, as KR sings, You got to know when to hold 'them, know when to fold 'them.


Once with Northwest (before merger with Delta)

SNIP< SNIP.

I'd rather jump through these extra hoops for advance visa processing than run the chance of having Delta bump me from my flight at the last minute.

[Mc Don]

So now I am confused; have they changed the requirements? For my next visit, where I'd like to stay for about 80 days (21 + 59) , do I now need to have the 59 day visa extension in advance?My wingman last time stayed 35 days and he organised his extension in Australia. He was told that because of his flight out (35 days) he had to have his visa aranged in advance. Hope this helps

[Pip Jaeger]

Gentlemen, thanks for all of the helpful info.

I flew on United out of JAX, FL (via Houston, Hawaii, and Guam). A bit of a hassle with all of the connections, but the best and least costly I could do on short notice. It looks like it was just dumb luck; dumb luck in the sense that I selected a carrier that does not enforce, up to a point, the PI advance visa requirement for stays exceeding 21 days.

Earlier today I called United's help desk. I was informed that they will allow you to travel, and more importantly board the aircraft, whether or not you have the proper visa beforehand. They realize that some travelers don't have the time to get an extended stay visa ahead of time, which was my case back in May. They presume that you will get the visa either upon arrival or within the 21 day visa time frame given upon entry.

But, and this is a big BUT, if you fail to get the proper visa and they are fined (up to $5, 000 USD) , the fine plus all other associated costs, legal fees, taxes, levies, etc are passed onto you the traveler. That's supposedly buried somewhere in the pages of gobbledy gook fine print that you have to agree to, but never really read, when you initially purchase your ticket.

The fact that immigration let me though without the proper visa was again probably just dumb luck or they hope that you will not get the visa and they can collect a big fine. Had the officer counted the actual days, instead of perhaps just seeing a May arrival and a June departure, then he most likely would have referred me to the office that WR mentioned (unless of course they're really hoping to collect the fine).

Incidentally, I just counted the days of the extension stamped in my passport. I didn't bother with it before; I only glanced at the expiration date (July) and noted that it was after my actual departure date in June. The total was indeed for a total of 59 days from my initial arrival date, so my thinking of getting a total of 80 days was flawed. Sorry, my bad; whip me, beat me, spank me with a spoon (and no WR, even though I know a few ladies who'd do it, I'm just kidding; I'm a Dom too, LOL).

I guess I'll be cutting my next trip back to 58. 999 days, LOL. I'll probably play it safe too and get the visa ahead of time. Or if I really want to stay longer, I'll have to a get the multiple extensions in advance; then leave the Phils for at least 24 hours near the end of my first visa (hmmm, maybe a quick hop over to Pattaya for some "Thai Pie"?).

[FreebieFan]

Good info SKost. I sometimes have reason to go to Detroit, so this is good to know.

I was once trying to take a bicycle on an international flight on NWA. Same story. 25 min looking thru manuals. I stayed patient and stayed friendly, and they found the no cost option. Patient and friendly is not my usual modus operandi, but, as KR sings, You got to know when to hold 'them, know when to fold 'them.I guess we all have amusing airline stories. Once, when I was working and living in Manila, I took a vacation to Phuket. Checking in for return flight from Phuket to Manila, the check in staff told me that my work permit in my passport wasnt correct. Replied it was issued in Manila so I was quite sure it was correct, specially as it was the 3rd consecutive one in my passport. Showed them my business cards also. Still they said its not correct, it doesn't match the photocopy of a valid work permit that they had in their manual.

Suggested maybe the manual version was incorrect but no they said, that couldn't be. Thais don't make mistakes I was told. Yeah right!

OK I suggested, if its not valid, then how is it I've been able to travel to Indonesia to manila, Hong kong to manila, China to manila, uk to manila etc and showed the relevant passport stamps. A long period of attrition followed. A Thai standoff. Manager eventually gets involved, and I get my boarding pass. Patient and friendly isn't my strong suit either!

[Soapy Smith]

I use the luggage time to load the PI phone, find a hotel room, and line up a few "dates in asia".Have you found a place to buy load or simm cards before passing out through customs? Is this Terminal one?

Doing business on your phone from the luggage area reflects the laid-back nature of the Phils. In the states they prohibit cell phone or camera use anywhere in the immigration or customs / luggage area. And there are officials walking around enforcing it. I guess this is a plus for the Phils (?)

[Jp Slicky]

My problem was that the Jp airline folks got an internal computer printout about my passport. They, the Japanese, being the rule of law followers decided not to let me fly. My thinking I could of gotten in PH with out much effort had I showed my passport to Phil immigration. Nothing the 500P document would not take care of or perhaps go undetected.

I assume there is a reason for the need of having 6 months or more on the passport? Any one know? I asked at USA embassy but they did not know why necessary. Not necessary when coming in Japan.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

OK, so I really hate walking through a lobby or even past a grinning security guard with my lady for the evening. Can someone please tell me if there are any hotels, aparetelles, condos, with a private entrance in Manila? Preferably Malate area, but would also possibly consider Makati if not too expensive. I read on another board that Cherry Blossoms hotel has a second entrance down a side street. And that Amazonia is a possibility for this kind of request as well. Anyone? Thanks in advance. Full report will come following the trip which begins this week.

[Buko Max]

I'd rather jump through these extra hoops for advance visa processing than run the chance of having Delta bump me from my flight at the last minute.No US carrier is going to bump you from a flight because your itinerary stretches past 21 days. You must have been singled out! Have passport, will travel!


Have you found a place to buy load or simm cards before passing out through customs? Is this Terminal one?In Terminal One or Three you must clear customs first. Just past you will see the vendors that sell SIM cards.

[Nvslim]

I guess we all have amusing airline stories.I was on a long vacation (30 days wife hunting) in the PI. Flew round trip with PAL. When it was near time to return to the USA, the hotel I was staying at tried to verify my flight for me. There was a problem with PAL and they wanted me to pay a large change fee. I had not change anything from my original itinerary. I was in AC and was returning to Manila a few days before the flight so had to go to the PAL office. Turns out the airline had discontinued my flight and booked me on a different return flight without telling me. I was routed through SF to LA instead straight to LA. The agent tried to charge ME a change fee for a change they made. I had to ask for a supervisor to straighten out the problem. He gave the agent a dirty look while he was typing the info in the computer terminal. He apologized for his agent and explained discontinued flights were a rarity and the agent had never handled one before.

Slim

P.S.

Trip was a success and I have been happily married for over 25 years.

[WestCoast1]

X, Gangles: Clear out your inbox.

[RCA Knight]

OK, so I really hate walking through a lobby or even past a grinning security guard with my lady for the evening. Can someone please tell me if there are any hotels, aparetelles, condos, with a private entrance in Manila? Preferably Malate area, but would also possibly consider Makati if not too expensive. I read on another board that Cherry Blossoms hotel has a second entrance down a side street. And that Amazonia is a possibility for this kind of request as well.The hotel staff in Ermita / Malate are all very used to guests taking ladies back, they won't even blink. If you keep looking at their reaction, then it's your own problem. If you are so shy, then take the lady to Amazonia or Sogo Hotel, they specialize in this field. I know one major Ermita hotel that you do not need to pass the lobby. Pearl Manila Hotel, you may see the guard in the first floor, but lobby is not on the first floor, then you can take elevator straight to your floor.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I know one major Ermita hotel that you do not need to pass the lobby. Pearl Manila Hotel, you may see the guard in the first floor, but lobby is not on the first floor, then you can take elevator straight to your floor.Thanks for that. This is what I'm looking for. Anybody else got any suggestions? Perhaps in Makati too? I'd prefer an apartelle probably, but I'm leaving tomorrow and realized probably not enough time to find one of those.

[Soapy Smith]

No US carrier is going to bump you from a flight because your itinerary stretches past 21 days.So the two Delta ticket agents spent 25 minutes deliberating over processing me onto the flight because:

A) they were bored and looking to fill their idle time;

B) Delta finds it cost-effective to have two employees occupy themselves in this way;

C) they detected the testosterone-charged glint in my eye and as femi-nazis felt a need to intercede to protect all those defenseless Pinays;

D) both B and C;

E) none of the above.

The reason scientists build confidence intervals (or margin of error) around predictions of future behavior is that human behavior is often unpredictable and tends to defy 100 percent certainty.

[WestCoast1]

The hotel staff in Ermita / Malate are all very used to guests taking ladies back, they won't even blink. If you keep looking at their reaction, then it's your own problem. If you are so shy, then take the lady to Amazonia or Sogo Hotel, they specialize in this field. I know one major Ermita hotel that you do not need to pass the lobby. Pearl Manila Hotel, you may see the guard in the first floor, but lobby is not on the first floor, then you can take elevator straight to your floor.Pearl Manila, corner Taft / Gen Luna / United Nations. Pass the security guy at the door (he will take the girl's I'd) and go to the elevator (elevators are very slow). Lobby is on floor 9, of all things.

[WhatsUrName]

I was in and out of MBC for several parts of my recent trip in early-mid September 2012, and used Ermita as "home base" as I visited other spots in PI and Thailand. I stayed at Cherry Blossom during my time in Malate. CB has been my favorite for several years now.

A few notes\observations about MBC:

1) I confirmed that they are ending the live entertainment at MBC at night. They were not charging a fee to go upstairs on a Saturday night. Unclear if this is forever or temporary. Since all the women can now go up for free, there were a lot more women upstairs and several on the dance floor. Even though there was no live band, there was still plenty of women dancing on a Saturday night.

2) The women don't get a commission on the drinks you buy for them at MBC. Amazonia and Gpoint apparently pay them a commission for every drink you buy for them. I personally tend to pay cash on the spot for all my drinks\food and typically don't run a tab. I like to stay "mobile" and thus typically don't buy drinks for the women I talk to. If I am talking to a woman in MBC, then in all likelihood, we will be leaving shortly.

3) The Asian takeover of MBC continues. I went back on a Sunday morning. There were 16 asian men and 1 white guy there (me). About half were over the age of 55, and the other half appeared 30-40. Most were chain smoking. The ratio moderated a little as lunch time approached.

4) Most MBC women that I went with asked for a condom. I am not sure if it is the result of the increased awareness of STDs among foreign sex tourists, or if it was my increasing reputation as a butterfly. Either way, I wrapped up for the days I was there.

5) All women initially agreed to 1500 PP plus a tip for ST. I got to decide the tip. At top end of the scale, I paid a max of 2200 (after tip\taxi) for a smoking hot lady that really rocked my world, and a minimum of 1700 PP for a mediocre quickie. All of the girls that I took were at the upper end of the cuteness scale and I averaged about 1800-1900 PP after tip. I didn't take any women LT.

6) It's been stated here before, but I'll restate this for the benefit of others. Many of the women live in the province and come into Ermita for multi-day work trips. They stay at one of the boarding houses around MBC, make some moolah, and then go back to the province. Repeat.

[Simian]

Gentlemen, thanks for all of the helpful info.

I flew on United out of JAX, FL (via Houston, Hawaii, and Guam). A bit of a hassle with all of the connections, but the best and least costly I could do on short notice. It looks like it was just dumb luck; dumb luck in the sense that I selected a carrier that does not enforce, up to a point, the PI advance visa requirement for stays exceeding 21 days.

Earlier today I called United's help desk. I was informed that they will allow you to travel, and more importantly board the aircraft, whether or not you have the proper visa beforehand. They realize that some travelers don't have the time to get an extended stay visa ahead of time, which was my case back in May. They presume that you will get the visa either upon arrival or within the 21 day visa time frame given upon entry.

But, and this is a big BUT, if you fail to get the proper visa and they are fined (up to $5, 000 USD) , the fine plus all other associated costs, legal fees, taxes, levies, etc are passed onto you the traveler. That's supposedly buried somewhere in the pages of gobbledy gook fine print that you have to agree to, but never really read, when you initially purchase your ticket.

The fact that immigration let me though without the proper visa was again probably just dumb luck or they hope that you will not get the visa and they can collect a big fine. Had the officer counted the actual days, instead of perhaps just seeing a May arrival and a June departure, then he most likely would have referred me to the office that WR mentioned (unless of course they're really hoping to collect the fine).

Incidentally, I just counted the days of the extension stamped in my passport. I didn't bother with it before; I only glanced at the expiration date (July) and noted that it was after my actual departure date in June. The total was indeed for a total of 59 days from my initial arrival date, so my thinking of getting a total of 80 days was flawed. Sorry, my bad; whip me, beat me, spank me with a spoon (and no WR, even though I know a few ladies who'd do it, I'm just kidding; I'm a Dom too, LOL).

I guess I'll be cutting my next trip back to 58. 999 days, LOL. I'll probably play it safe too and get the visa ahead of time. Or if I really want to stay longer, I'll have to a get the multiple extensions in advance; then leave the Phils for at least 24 hours near the end of my first visa (hmmm, maybe a quick hop over to Pattaya for some "Thai Pie"?).One way around this nonsense is to buy a one way ticket for the cheapest flight out of Philippines that leaves within 21 days of your arrival, even if you never have any intention of using it. Usually Air Asia or Cebu Pacific will have a cheap offer. I even once got a ticket from Clark to some mining town I never heard of in Malaysia for about $25 one-way. See it as a tax. This is to keep the airlines happy as I was never once asked by Immigration in over 20 times arriving in Philippines for proof of onward flight.

[Cool Traveler]

One way around this nonsense is to buy a one way ticket for the cheapest flight out of Philippines that leaves within 21 days of your arrival, even if you never have any intention of using it. Usually Air Asia or Cebu Pacific will have a cheap offer. I even once got a ticket from Clark to some mining town I never heard of in Malaysia for about $25 one-way. See it as a tax. This is to keep the airlines happy as I was never once asked by Immigration in over 20 times arriving in Philippines for proof of onward flight.All you need is an itenary. Book a ticket on travelocity or orbitz, print the itenary out, and cancel the ticket right away.

[Sammon]

I was in and out of MBC for several parts of my recent trip in early-mid September 2012, and used Ermita as "home base" as I visited other spots in PI and Thailand. I stayed at Cherry Blossom during my time in Malate. CB has been my favorite for several years now.

A few notes\observations about MBC:

2) The women don't get a commission on the drinks you buy for them at MBC. Amazonia and Gpoint apparently pay them a commission for every drink you buy for them. I personally tend to pay cash on the spot for all my drinks\food and typically don't run a tab. I like to stay "mobile" and thus typically don't buy drinks for the women I talk to. If I am talking to a woman in MBC, then in all likelihood, we will be leaving shortly.

4) Most MBC women that I went with asked for a condom. I am not sure if it is the result of the increased awareness of STDs among foreign sex tourists, or if it was my increasing reputation as a butterfly. Either way, I wrapped up for the days I was there.2. Not sure if the girl gets a commission. However the cost is not the same as your drink anymore. Better ask the waitress how much it will cost you for the drink lady wants. One girl ordered martini and it cost me 300 pesos.

Beer I believe is 200 pesos for ladydrink. Why the change of policy? Undoubtedly they want to make money. So it is fast becoming like a go go bar rather than a freelancer place. Pretty soon they will start charging barfine or exit fee.

4. It is common practice for a long time to use condom with MBC ladies. These are regular prostitutes whether they come for one day or many days there to make money. Yes, there maybe some young clean mothers but cannot take a risk. I am sure very few of asian men like condoms.

Last year when I went there it cost the same as your drink.

[Python75]

One way around this nonsense is to buy a one way ticket for the cheapest flight out of Philippines that leaves within 21 days of your arrival, even if you never have any intention of using it. Usually Air Asia or Cebu Pacific will have a cheap offer. I even once got a ticket from Clark to some mining town I never heard of in Malaysia for about $25 one-way. See it as a tax. This is to keep the airlines happy as I was never once asked by Immigration in over 20 times arriving in Philippines for proof of onward flight.Although your advice is well intentioned I would question it. I went to the the phils between the 21st August and 8th September this year. The arrival stamp in my passport also included a 'stay until sep 11 stamp' ie 21 days.

With countries that have dubious administrative systems I would always play it by the book.

[WestCoast1]

4. It is common practice for a long time to use condom with MBC ladies. These are regular prostitutes whether they come for one day or many days there to make money. Yes, there maybe some young clean mothers but cannot take a risk. I am sure very few of asian men like condoms.Common to who? Mongers? Or perhaps you mean it is your custom. No man likes condoms, asian or otherwise. He wears one out of fear. Sexy, huh?

[Jbiz979]

Common to who? Mongers? Or perhaps you mean it is your custom. No man likes condoms, asian or otherwise. He wears one out of fear. Sexy, huh?Are you suggesting is wise practice to have sex with several women without using condoms? Appears to be good sense regardless of custom.

[WestCoast1]

Are you suggesting is wise practice to have sex with several women without using condoms? Appears to be good sense regardless of custom.No. I'm not suggesting anything. I was just wondering if Sammon wrote 'common practice for a long time to use condoms' if he was referring to his own practice. The use of the word 'common' suggested we typically do that.

[Econo Tech]

2. Not sure if the girl gets a commission. However the cost is not the same as your drink anymore. Better ask the waitress how much it will cost you for the drink lady wants. One girl ordered martini and it cost me 300 pesos.The girls don't get any commission. It is the fixed price, to satisfy the 'local authorities'. Read Mayor Lim's war chest collection.


Beer I believe is 200 pesos for ladydrink. Why the change of policy? Undoubtedly they want to make money. So it is fast becoming like a go go bar rather than a freelancer place. Pretty soon they will start charging barfine or exit fee.You have no clue. They had to fork out a few million peso to get the 'get out of jail' card from the Mayor. And the drinks policy, again, was to satisfy the mayor's mayopial eyes that the girls are not hookers, but 'meeting friends' and apparently, a drink satisfies that law.


4. It is common practice for a long time to use condom with MBC ladies. These are regular prostitutes whether they come for one day or many days there to make money. Yes, there maybe some young clean mothers but cannot take a risk. I am sure very few of asian men like condoms.Again, common for you. But, unless asked, most girls will pretend that condoms don't exist. Well, again, a fair percentage of girls in MBC are not full time girls, and maybe there to pick some pocket money, twice a month, and for them. Well, since it is about twice a month, I am good to go. Style.

[Mbsl65]

It is a good idea to take a one dose of 1g-2g Metronidazole after Phils trip. They do sell in every pharmacy in Phils and before you leave the country taking a dose may lower the changes to carry anything back home.


No. I'm not suggesting anything. I was just wondering if Sammon wrote 'common practice for a long time to use condoms' if he was referring to his own practice. The use of the word 'common' suggested we typically do that.

[Jbiz979]

Common to who? Mongers? Or perhaps you mean it is your custom. No man likes condoms, asian or otherwise. He wears one out of fear. Sexy, huh?From what I have read from this forum I believe condom use is cultural as well as generational. Anyone of us can go to the photo section of this forum and see Most mongers not using condoms. I think this comes from a culture of ignorance towards safe sex and desperation on the part of the pinay and for many mongers of a Mature generation who are acustom to not using them. I think we all can agree that using condoms suck, it certainly takes away from the pleasure and sponeity. Now I mentioned generational not to argue that only mature mongers refuse to wear condoms because that would be untrue. But generation X'ers like myself received sex education in middle school and it frigthen the hell out of us, which is a totally different experience than a Vietnam vet who experienced the pleasures of the Philippines hands on, had a great time, never used a condom and if ever now and then he got something, it was nothing a shot could not fix. Now lets go to a place like Mexico or other parts of Latin America where A) Prostitution is legal B) Sex Education is taught. Condom use is very much a requirment or common practice. Again I'm not judging I'm very much liberaltarian on this subject and believe anyone has the right to do whatever they want with their body. Yet I do take issue with some that argue tooth in nail for risky practices.

[Red Kilt]

It is a good idea to take a one dose of 1g-2g Metronidazole after Phils trip. They do sell in every pharmacy in Phils and before you leave the country taking a dose may lower the changes to carry anything back home.It might seem like a good idea to you Mbsl but many people including myself would say that taking a random dose (1 to 2 g??) of a drug like Metronidazole is a very very silly idea.

Exactly why are you prescribing this drug and for what? Different STDs require different drug protocols. To suggest that anyone take a potent, potentially damaging drug like Metronidazole for a non-specific reason is bordering on irresponsible.

[Amjeck]

5) All women initially agreed to 1500 PP plus a tip for ST. I got to decide the tip. At top end of the scale, I paid a max of 2200 (after tip\taxi) for a smoking hot lady that really rocked my world, and a minimum of 1700 PP for a mediocre quickie. All of the girls that I took were at the upper end of the cuteness scale and I averaged about 1800-1900 PP after tip. I didn't take any women LT.Any young (18-21yo) slim girls in MBC, or is it still a bunch of old chicks and mothers?

[Amjeck]

The barfine is php.1.000,- (usd.20), and the girls will start asking for php 2.500,-, but you will, by negotiating pay php 1.500.-. If the question of tip to the girl is not coming up before you do the deed, php 1.500 for an all nighter is acceptable. In addition you should pay php 50 to php 100 for her taxi in the morning.Are you saying that all the girls in EDSA will do, at a minimum, ST for 1500p?

[WhatsUrName]

Any young (18-21yo) slim girls in MBC, or is it still a bunch of old chicks and mothers?By and large my impression is that many were older (over 25) and mothers. Many of the women that I took were indeed mothers, some were not. If you hang around long enough and conduct a few interviews, you can definitely find a younger woman (18-21yo) without kids. There are still plenty of women there so that you can take your pick.

I consider myself a rookie mongerer overall, but MBC is something that I do have a little bit of experience with. I branched out to include AC into my reportoire, but MBC is still my favorite. For me, a lot of the appeal is the ego trip and the "reality distortion field" that it creates. Where in the US can I walk into a nightclub, sit on a bar stool, and within a few minutes have two twenty-somethings literally jumping up and down begging me to take them back to my hotel for a threesome? .

[WestCoast1]

Condom use is very much a requirment or common practice. Again I'm not judging I'm very much liberaltarian on this subject and believe anyone has the right to do whatever they want with their body. Yet I do take issue with some that argue tooth in nail for risky practices.Usually those that argue for or against it will argue for it (using inuendo). They write in as newer board members, saying things like: "I see a lot of guys in PG using no condom. What's wrong with you guys (or: so risky)." I don't argue it for anyone, only myself. As you mentioned about having it taught in school, I was one of those who was scared with the dangers of it in 5th grade sex ed class. I don't wear them at all, for pleasure; yet I don't advocate that kind of thing for others (neither do I advocate condom use). To each his own. It's wrong for board members to advocate condom use (or non-use) for others on the open board (we have PM, and there is a safe-sex thread somewhere for that). The same goes for questioning the age of girls posted in pix: there's no way for the guesser to know the age; PM the poster and keep those questions private.

[Mbsl65]

If you have sex without a condom in Phils (any type of sex) , Metronidazole would not be random drug usage.


It might seem like a good idea to you Mbsl but many people including myself would say that taking a random dose (1 to 2 g?) of a drug like Metronidazole is a very very silly idea.

Exactly why are you prescribing this drug and for what? Different STDs require different drug protocols. To suggest that anyone take a potent, potentially damaging drug like Metronidazole for a non-specific reason is bordering on irresponsible.

[Wicked Roger]

It might seem like a good idea to you Mbsl but many people including myself would say that taking a random dose (1 to 2 g?) of a drug like Metronidazole is a very very silly idea.

Exactly why are you prescribing this drug and for what? Different STDs require different drug protocols. To suggest that anyone take a potent, potentially damaging drug like Metronidazole for a non-specific reason is bordering on irresponsible.Seems very odd I agree RK.

http://www.drugs.com/metronidazole.html

This says it is Flagyl a drug I have taken long time ago when I got ameobic dysetnry and one a freind is taking now for giardia. So is Mbsl suggesting we take this powerful drug as we all get the s*its in the Philippines and should take to us crapping ourselves on the plane home? As that is why I took it (well if you have ever had dysentry you will know what I mean LOL)

It is a powerful drug one to be used very wisely and sparingly and also best when a doctor prescribes.

What use did you have in mind with your suggestion Mbsl? Just curious

[Sxxxx]

Seems very odd I agree RK.

http://www.drugs.com/metronidazole.html

This says it is Flagyl a drug I have taken long time ago when I got ameobic dysetnry and one a freind is taking now for giardia. So is Mbsl suggesting we take this powerful drug as we all get the s*its in the Philippines and should take to us crapping ourselves on the plane home? As that is why I took it (well if you have ever had dysentry you will know what I mean LOL)

It is a powerful drug one to be used very wisely and sparingly and also best when a doctor prescribes.

What use did you have in mind with your suggestion Mbsl? Just curiousTherefore its what Doctors call a "broad spectrum" drug and doctors prescribe such for all manner of maladies. Not saying I condone self diagnoses treatment etc, but figures the same drug can be used for a broad spectrum of ailments, that is, shits, dose, whatever. No problem with that, only problem for me, is self diagnosis and guessing dosage. Cause you can not see it, feel it, doesn't mean you haven't got it. On return from trip get Doctor to check. Small price to pay for good health.

[Cbea20]

drugs get outdated every few years, especially for gonorrhea. if you think doctors prescribe metronidazole for any std, you are sorely out of date. go to www.cdc.gov for up-to-date treatments. why not get checked before you leave the phs? you can go direct to a lab and get a [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test reading quickly for p200. then take it to the doctor for p400 if appropriate. that's assuming you have no symptoms of illness. if you do, go direct to the doctor.


therefore its what doctors call a "broad spectrum" drug and doctors prescribe such for all manner of maladies. not saying i condone self diagnoses treatment etc, but figures the same drug can be used for a broad spectrum of ailments, that is, shits, dose, whatever. no problem with that, only problem for me, is self diagnosis and guessing dosage. cause you can not see it, feel it, doesn't mean you haven't got it. on return from trip get doctor to check. small price to pay for good health.

[BionicMan]

Seems there are a lot of witchdoctors around, the worst (for them) is that they experiment on themselves. The real witchdoctors are wiser as they experiment on others.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

300 pesos. A whole $7 USD. You go, big spender!

And no, it is not "common practice" for MBC ladies to request that condoms be used. I've only had two out of dozens of women even mention them in the past few years I've been coming to the Phils to play.


2. Not sure if the girl gets a commission. However the cost is not the same as your drink anymore. Better ask the waitress how much it will cost you for the drink lady wants. One girl ordered martini and it cost me 300 pesos.

Beer I believe is 200 pesos for ladydrink. Why the change of policy? Undoubtedly they want to make money. So it is fast becoming like a go go bar rather than a freelancer place. Pretty soon they will start charging barfine or exit fee.

4. It is common practice for a long time to use condom with MBC ladies. These are regular prostitutes whether they come for one day or many days there to make money. Yes, there maybe some young clean mothers but cannot take a risk. I am sure very few of asian men like condoms.

Last year when I went there it cost the same as your drink.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

Have been going to MBC the past several nights for dinner / way early breakfast and I can confirm the scene as WhatsUrName described. Mostly 25+ with at least one child back in a barangay or province somewhere. But yes, there are some young hotties to be found if one is patient enough. Personally I find a few of the waitresses a lot more appealing that the over-the-top made-up hookers and heinous old age 45+ hags that inexplicably still think they can score a date in a place like that.

Love the "reality distortion field" description. .


By and large my impression is that many were older (over 25) and mothers. Many of the women that I took were indeed mothers, some were not. If you hang around long enough and conduct a few interviews, you can definitely find a younger woman (18-21yo) without kids. There are still plenty of women there so that you can take your pick.

I consider myself a rookie mongerer overall, but MBC is something that I do have a little bit of experience with. I branched out to include AC into my reportoire, but MBC is still my favorite. For me, a lot of the appeal is the ego trip and the "reality distortion field" that it creates. Where in the US can I walk into a nightclub, sit on a bar stool, and within a few minutes have two twenty-somethings literally jumping up and down begging me to take them back to my hotel for a threesome? .

[Gaijin Gigolo]

2) The women don't get a commission on the drinks you buy for them at MBC.Yes, they do. Confirmed with two cutie waitresses I befriended.


4) Most MBC women that I went with asked for a condom.Maybe just for you. LOL. Only had two Flippers ever mention condoms in the dozen or so trips I've made to the Phils.


5) All women initially agreed to 1500 PP plus a tip for ST. I got to decide the tip. At top end of the scale, I paid a max of 2200 (after tip\taxi) for a smoking hot lady that really rocked my world, and a minimum of 1700 PP for a mediocre quickie. All of the girls that I took were at the upper end of the cuteness scale and I averaged about 1800-1900 PP after tip. I didn't take any women LT.
For short time? You could have gotten any girl in the place for half that price. Please realize that when you grossly overpay, you risk spoiling the market for every future visitor. If enough guys like you overpay by so much, they'll come to expect it and will be a lot less likely to negotiate.

[Sammon]

300 pesos. A whole $7 USD. You go, big spender!

And no, it is not "common practice" for MBC ladies to request that condoms be used. I've only had two out of dozens of women even mention them in the past few years I've been coming to the Phils to play.I am not talking about money. It is about change of policy in MBC. Obviously the girls get a cut confirmed by another post. But I have not seen the watress hand out a slip of paper for ladydrink like they do in AC.

[Nice Guy 99]

drugs get outdated every few years, especially for gonorrhea. if you think doctors prescribe metronidazole for any std, you are sorely out of date. go to.

www.cdc.gov

for up-to-date treatments. why not get checked before you leave the phs? you can go direct to a lab and get a [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109) test reading quickly for p200. then take it to the doctor for p400 if appropriate. that's assuming you have no symptoms of illness. if you do, go direct to the doctor.current guidelines:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/768883

[Red Kilt]

I am not talking about money. It is about change of policy in MBC. Obviously the girls get a cut confirmed by another post. But I have not seen the watress hand out a slip of paper for ladydrink like they do in AC.It's not ALL girls. There are a few girls sprinkled around the place who are planted there by the bar and paid a commission (same in Amazonia). There are still the true freelancers who are not part of it and don't know what is going on.

[Soapy Smith]

It is a good idea to take a one dose of 1g-2g Metronidazole after Phils trip. They do sell in every pharmacy in Phils and before you leave the country taking a dose may lower the changes to carry anything back home.Metronidazole (brand name flagyl) has been prescribed for various intestinal diseases for years, but not for STDs I think. Perhaps you meant azythromycin, which is typically prescribed in a single megadose of 1000 to 2000 mg. for nongonococcal urethritis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea. So a drippy dick or burning while [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) might justify taking such a dose. Returning from my most recent Phils trip I was experiencing burning in [CodeWord112] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112) and had my local county STD clinic check me out. They took lab samples but gave me a 1000 mg. megadose of azythromycin right from the start. They told me it would clean out chlamydia or gonorrhea within about four days but do not harm even if the lab tests came back negative. I took the megadose, the lab tests came back negative, but I suffered no negative side effects. I would be just silly enough to self-medicate with a 1000 mg. dose of azythromycin if I experienced burning with urination or a drippy dick after dipping it into unknown depths in the Philippines.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I am not talking about money. It is about change of policy in MBC. Obviously the girls get a cut confirmed by another post. But I have not seen the watress hand out a slip of paper for ladydrink like they do in AC.I saw it happen last night, thrice. In fact, the guy sitting next to me became irate when he realized the drink cost 350 Php. And nearly all the waitresses I made eye contact with asked me to buy them a drink at some point. They're clearly being paid extra for the drinks they sell for themselves.