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I saw it happen last night, thrice. In fact, the guy sitting next to me became irate when he realized the drink cost 350 Php. And nearly all the waitresses I made eye contact with asked me to buy them a drink at some point. They're clearly being paid extra for the drinks they sell for themselves.The guys who own MBC and Howzat! Have been around.
Maybe they are trying a new business model to make more money. They are adding an incentive for waitresses to work harder.
They also know hard core mongers (and well-heeled East Asian gentlemen) will pay for drinks if they want to play the free-lancer game. I guess they are balancing higher cost of drinks and lower volume sold against higher volumes sold at a cheaper price.
Hello all,
I realize I am a complete newbie with posting but hope I can get a little advice. I've been searching the boards and having a really difficult time finding an answer.
I'm interested in a massage place fairly close to EDSA Shangri La that offers a descent massage and HJ. Be I just can't seem to find anything searching the Internet.
I appreciate any suggestions
The guys who own MBC and Howzat! Have been around.
Maybe they are trying a new business model to make more money. They are adding an incentive for waitresses to work harder.
They also know hard core mongers (and well-heeled East Asian gentlemen) will pay for drinks if they want to play the free-lancer game. I guess they are balancing higher cost of drinks and lower volume sold against higher volumes sold at a cheaper price.Ill be in there next week and will verify this. It certainly wasn't that way on my last visit in June though.
You have to wonder what happens if you take a girl there with you. Do you have to pay those prices for her drinks or is it just the usual? Surely the usual?
Hatguy
Big Poppa II
09-24-12, 00:12
Hello all,
I realize I am a complete newbie with posting but hope I can get a little advice. I've been searching the boards and having a really difficult time finding an answer.
I'm interested in a massage place fairly close to EDSA Shangri La that offers a descent massage and HJ. Be I just can't seem to find anything searching the Internet.
I appreciate any suggestionsI stayed at that hotel once and got massages at my room with HE. Very good experience at the time, don't know what is going on now. Much better options if you stay at the Makati Shangri La.
Good luck, BP
Trail Runner
09-24-12, 00:44
I want to file a few of my experiences from my first trip to the Philippines. This is an entry from a complete novice so I think most hardened members won't gain much from it.
A few months ago I landed for the 1st time on the soil of the Philippines for 2 months of vacation. Two years ago I had my virgin voyage to South East Asia when I visited Bali. That time I noticed the fact that Asian girls tend to have a charming look and smiles which are adorable. However, all I enjoyed in Bali was just traditional massage. But since I'm a guy in my thirties and with no ties, why not go and meet some of these Asian girls, I later asked myself? Consequently, I decided I wanted to visit the Philippines during a vacation to try and meet some.
I landed in Ninoy Aquino but some of my luggage was arriving late so I had to wait for it. Two cute filipinas were also waiting for their luggage and they noticed the foreigner with the lost look on his face. They chatted me up and this was my first encounter with filipinas. I could not have asked for a better welcome comittee. They gave me all kinds of advice and were genuinely interested in knowing more about me. Both of them were very cute. What a nice welcome to a foreign country. From that moment I knew I would enjoy my vacation!
The girls told me the best option for me to catch a relatively cheap taxi ride to my hotel would be from the place where domestic passengers are dropped off. Being bombarded with impressions I don't quite remember how we got there but I believe we exited the terminal and went to the right a few hundred meters until we took some stairs up to the next level. The girls helped me get a taxi from there and I was heading to my hotel in Ermita. Just on my own, that was.
This first ride made me aware of the same taxi driver hassle which I had also experienced a few times in Bali. Thanks to that, I knew I had to be aware and act promptly in case I noticed any suspicious actions from the drivers and their taximeters. I just behave politely and confront the driver immediately in a serious tone if I notice something wrong. Then it's my experience most drivers will "behave".
I had prebooked a deluxe room at Best Western Hotel in Ermita and was quite happy about the place: nice, clean and with decent breakfast buffet. Only downside was the typical tiled floors in the halls which meant lots of noise inside the room whenever anyone was talking or walking outside. I guess no place is perfect.
Lately on the forum there has been much talk about safety in the Ermita area. Actually I felt rather safe there despite my status of a first timer. By having read many posts here on ISG I knew I would quite likely be fine if I followed common sense. During my stay in Manila I tried walking the streets on any given time during a 24 hour day. Sure, there were slightly aggresive beggars, LB's and the like who tried to get my attention. Whenever that happened, I just kept my focus and kept on walking. The worst in my opinion is the pollution from the jeepneys and other vehicles which really drove (!) me nuts.
OK, let me get to the girly action. Thanks to this forum I knew about Manila Bay Café and I was very eager to see the place. It was Thursday 9 PM and the place was booming with girls and most of them dressed in cute outfits. I didn't plan to bring any girl back to my room. I just wanted to grab a beer and watch the action to see with my own eyes what was going on. The atmosphere seemed great. The only thing I disliked was the amount of smoke in the downstairs main room and a gay-like male employee who suddenly started to massage my shoulders. I waved him away and settled my eyes on the action instead.
My original thought (to just look) was soon shattered as I met a friendly girl who called herself for Joy. I think she said she was 28. She was single mom and had 2 children to support. Without steady income she had to come to the bar to provide for her children since her pinoy bf had left her. I felt sorry for her situation. She seemed genuinely sweet and I felt a spark between us. I had a great time chatting with her and despite two births she had just the slim body, for which I crave. So I decided to persuade her to come with me to my room. That part was easy, I found out! We didn't settle an exact price. I just told I would reward her for her time with me. She seemed a little shy or unexperienced so I thougt she would not expect more than what I read others pay.
Walking hand in hand with Joy back to my hotel I felt excited for what I was about to enjoy. My heart was racing for the same reason, I think. I couldn't wait to undress and have fun with this girl. It had always been a dream of mine to bed a girl with a small, slim body and an Asian tan. With approximately 40 kilos Joy's body was all I ever wanted. After showering it was obvious to me that her two births only left a few marks. She was a fine sight for sure and I congratulated myself with my choice of girl.
We started kissing and not long after I put her on her stomach on the bed and gave her nicely shaped ass a thorough massage. I followed up with lots of kissing of her back which she seemed to like. At that time my junior was definately ready and I slid on a condom and started to enjoy the first Asian girl of my life. She was still on her stomach and as junior entered her from behind, I felt like I was in heaven. What an amazing feeling it was to finally enjoy the body of a hot, Asian girl! Soon followed a nice doggy moment before she rode me until I came. I still wonder why it had to take thirty-something years for me to discover the wonders of Asian girls.
We took a quick shower and went back to bed to sleep. Apparently she liked me enough for her to want to spend the night and I was happy to have a GFE with my first girl. She joined me for breakfast at the hotel in the morning. I think a free meal is more than welcome for most people in the Philippines and I was happy to see her have a great time with the buffet.
I really liked this girl and didn't really want to say goodbye to her. However, since I didn't want to get emotionally involved with her, I decided I had to. During our goodbye moment I handed her 1500 pesos and 200 g of imported chocolate and she seemed more than happy.
Later visits to MBC were less successful because I made rookie mistakes. I guess it is nearly impossible to avoid them. I learned the hard way to ask the right questions in the bar instead of being sorry later when the intimate action is about to start. If you don't want a girl with smokey breath, ask if she smokes. If a girl with rough, masculine hands is not a turn on for you, then inspect them before you decide. If you are not a fan of tattoos then ask if she has any. I had read about all this on the forum but it wasn't until I made the mistakes on my own that I learned the lessons. Sometimes junior is making decisions too hasty!
I stayed in Manila for 2 weeks and later went to other parts of the Philippines. I'm thankful for the forum since it gave me invaluable information. Looking back I had a blast in the Philippines and I'm definately going back!
Hello all,
I realize I am a complete newbie with posting but hope I can get a little advice. I've been searching the boards and having a really difficult time finding an answer.
I'm interested in a massage place fairly close to EDSA Shangri La that offers a descent massage and HJ. Be I just can't seem to find anything searching the Internet.
I appreciate any suggestionsThere is a very nice up-market spa called I-Spa situated in Metrowalk which is not too far from EDSA Shang but you would need to use a taxi to get there.
1000 pesos for a 40 minute back massage and then she flips you over and zeroes in for the HE.
HJ only; nothing else available.
No choice of attendants and you take who is next in line (unless you have a favorite and she is free.
Tip her anything up to 500; tip the boy who looks after your shoes etc 20.
You can always call any of the 100s of places that advertise hotel / home calls etc, but that is hit and miss.
Day 3, Monday: Manila.
As I walked towards the pool tables, I saw a familiar face. It was Lina, a girl I'd fucked two years before. She looked fantastic and I remembered her dazzling smile. She recognized me and said hello before saying "You posted photos of me on the internet!". I was shocked that she knew. She was right. After my previous trip to Philippines I posted photos of girls on a forum but didn't think that the girls would actually see them. I can remember wondering at the time whether it was fair to post photos but after much deliberation decided that it was highly unlikely that the girls or their family would see the photos and, if anything, it could gain them extra customers. I figured that these girls are in the industry to make as much money as quickly as possible so thought I was doing them a favour.
But Lina was pissed with me. I apologised and explained. Eventually she seemed okay, especially when she recalled with a grin "you said I was blowjob queen!". Haha. She was too. Two years earlier she'd alerted me to her skills by tying a knot in a cherry-stalk only using her tongue.
I returned to the pool tables but the incident had shaken me. I try to treat girls with respect but to hear that I had upset Lina made me feel bad. Also I sensed danger. If she told other people (for example the management, security guards or her friends) they might possibly look for retribution or try to extort money from me. I decided not to stick around.
I returned to my hotel straight away. I was in bed by midnight but I struggled to sleep as the incident with Lina was playing on my mind. I was glad I would be leaving Manila tomorrow.I remember our discussion from last year about you posting the girls' photos on the Internet and more importantly in your sex tourism guides. I told you that you needed to ask permission but you went right ahead and did so. Let's not get into the self-serving argument that you are doing them a favor by posting their photos. You're very lucky that you didn't end up being hauled into court or even worse.
Frankly, SL, I don't have any respect for people like you. You exploit people; you come on here and other sites to do research and then you go and take pictures of the girls for your sex tourism guides without telling them you are going to do so. It's pretty much reprehensible and one day I hope you get yours.
Gaijin Gigolo
09-24-12, 06:23
Ill be in there next week and will verify this. It certainly wasn't that way on my last visit in June though.
You have to wonder what happens if you take a girl there with you. Do you have to pay those prices for her drinks or is it just the usual? Surely the usual?
HatguyI've already verified it, thus you don't need to. But I wouldn't know about taking a girl in. Can't imagine why anybody would do that when the sole purpose of the place is to find a girl to take out.
Gaijin Gigolo
09-24-12, 06:32
Thanks for posting. Have to tell you that you got lucky that Joy was happy to accept 1500 Php. Many girls would have demanded / pleaded for much more in light of the fact that you hadn't talked about money until after the deed was done. ALWAYS best to settle on a price before leaving to go have fun, at MBC or anywhere else.
Also, the male masseurs in MBC are not gay at all. To me they don't even seem gay, actually, unless you view all SE Asian men as effeminate. A couple of them are married with young children at home. Chatted a bit with the two aforementioned who gave me a very hard, relaxing back and neck massage for basically just a few USD.
Enjoy the rest of your trip but since, you're a confessed newby, please heed the advice to always negotiate a price. Others will definitely agree.
I want to file a few of my experiences from my first trip to the Philippines. This is an entry from a complete novice so I think most hardened members won't gain much from it.
A few months ago I landed for the 1st time on the soil of the Philippines for 2 months of vacation. Two years ago I had my virgin voyage to South East Asia when I visited Bali. That time I noticed the fact that Asian girls tend to have a charming look and smiles which are adorable. However, all I enjoyed in Bali was just traditional massage. But since I'm a guy in my thirties and with no ties, why not go and meet some of these Asian girls, I later asked myself? Consequently, I decided I wanted to visit the Philippines during a vacation to try and meet some.
I landed in Ninoy Aquino but some of my luggage was arriving late so I had to wait for it. Two cute filipinas were also waiting for their luggage and they noticed the foreigner with the lost look on his face. They chatted me up and this was my first encounter with filipinas. I could not have asked for a better welcome comittee. They gave me all kinds of advice and were genuinely interested in knowing more about me. Both of them were very cute. What a nice welcome to a foreign country. From that moment I knew I would enjoy my vacation!
The girls told me the best option for me to catch a relatively cheap taxi ride to my hotel would be from the place where domestic passengers are dropped off. Being bombarded with impressions I don't quite remember how we got there but I believe we exited the terminal and went to the right a few hundred meters until we took some stairs up to the next level. The girls helped me get a taxi from there and I was heading to my hotel in Ermita. Just on my own, that was.
This first ride made me aware of the same taxi driver hassle which I had also experienced a few times in Bali. Thanks to that, I knew I had to be aware and act promptly in case I noticed any suspicious actions from the drivers and their taximeters. I just behave politely and confront the driver immediately in a serious tone if I notice something wrong. Then it's my experience most drivers will "behave".
I had prebooked a deluxe room at Best Western Hotel in Ermita and was quite happy about the place: nice, clean and with decent breakfast buffet. Only downside was the typical tiled floors in the halls which meant lots of noise inside the room whenever anyone was talking or walking outside. I guess no place is perfect.
Lately on the forum there has been much talk about safety in the Ermita area. Actually I felt rather safe there despite my status of a first timer. By having read many posts here on ISG I knew I would quite likely be fine if I followed common sense. During my stay in Manila I tried walking the streets on any given time during a 24 hour day. Sure, there were slightly aggresive beggars, LB's and the like who tried to get my attention. Whenever that happened, I just kept my focus and kept on walking. The worst in my opinion is the pollution from the jeepneys and other vehicles which really drove (!) me nuts.
OK, let me get to the girly action. Thanks to this forum I knew about Manila Bay Café and I was very eager to see the place. It was Thursday 9 PM and the place was booming with girls and most of them dressed in cute outfits. I didn't plan to bring any girl back to my room. I just wanted to grab a beer and watch the action to see with my own eyes what was going on. The atmosphere seemed great. The only thing I disliked was the amount of smoke in the downstairs main room and a gay-like male employee who suddenly started to massage my shoulders. I waved him away and settled my eyes on the action instead.
My original thought (to just look) was soon shattered as I met a friendly girl who called herself for Joy. I think she said she was 28. She was single mom and had 2 children to support. Without steady income she had to come to the bar to provide for her children since her pinoy bf had left her. I felt sorry for her situation. She seemed genuinely sweet and I felt a spark between us. I had a great time chatting with her and despite two births she had just the slim body, for which I crave. So I decided to persuade her to come with me to my room. That part was easy, I found out! We didn't settle an exact price. I just told I would reward her for her time with me. She seemed a little shy or unexperienced so I thougt she would not expect more than what I read others pay.
Walking hand in hand with Joy back to my hotel I felt excited for what I was about to enjoy. My heart was racing for the same reason, I think. I couldn't wait to undress and have fun with this girl. It had always been a dream of mine to bed a girl with a small, slim body and an Asian tan. With approximately 40 kilos Joy's body was all I ever wanted. After showering it was obvious to me that her two births only left a few marks. She was a fine sight for sure and I congratulated myself with my choice of girl.
We started kissing and not long after I put her on her stomach on the bed and gave her nicely shaped ass a thorough massage. I followed up with lots of kissing of her back which she seemed to like. At that time my junior was definately ready and I slid on a condom and started to enjoy the first Asian girl of my life. She was still on her stomach and as junior entered her from behind, I felt like I was in heaven. What an amazing feeling it was to finally enjoy the body of a hot, Asian girl! Soon followed a nice doggy moment before she rode me until I came. I still wonder why it had to take thirty-something years for me to discover the wonders of Asian girls.
We took a quick shower and went back to bed to sleep. Apparently she liked me enough for her to want to spend the night and I was happy to have a GFE with my first girl. She joined me for breakfast at the hotel in the morning. I think a free meal is more than welcome for most people in the Philippines and I was happy to see her have a great time with the buffet.
I really liked this girl and didn't really want to say goodbye to her. However, since I didn't want to get emotionally involved with her, I decided I had to. During our goodbye moment I handed her 1500 pesos and 200 g of imported chocolate and she seemed more than happy.
Later visits to MBC were less successful because I made rookie mistakes. I guess it is nearly impossible to avoid them. I learned the hard way to ask the right questions in the bar instead of being sorry later when the intimate action is about to start. If you don't want a girl with smokey breath, ask if she smokes. If a girl with rough, masculine hands is not a turn on for you, then inspect them before you decide. If you are not a fan of tattoos then ask if she has any. I had read about all this on the forum but it wasn't until I made the mistakes on my own that I learned the lessons. Sometimes junior is making decisions too hasty!
I stayed in Manila for 2 weeks and later went to other parts of the Philippines. I'm thankful for the forum since it gave me invaluable information. Looking back I had a blast in the Philippines and I'm definately going back!
Most certainly agree with the advice. I negotiated 3000 for 2 girls (1500 each) with what turned out to be multi pops each. By the end I was barely able to walk! Wouldn't have happened with out the prior negotiation.
Marconista
09-24-12, 10:40
at Amjeck.
The post you are referring to was posted on 18 May 2002 (more than 10 years ago) , hence "slightly" outdated.
Today the barfine / early work release is about php 1400 and the girl will ask php 2500 for a ST (if my memory serves me correct that is).
Are you saying that all the girls in EDSA will do, at a minimum, ST for 1500p?
Frankly, SL, I don't have any respect for people like you. You exploit people; you come on here and other sites to do research and then you go and take pictures of the girls for your sex tourism guides without telling them you are going to do so. It's pretty much reprehensible and one day I hope you get yours.So what about the hundreds of guys who have posted thousands of pics on ISG?
Why single out Lancelot?
Sir Lancelot
09-24-12, 20:11
I remember our discussion from last year about you posting the girls' photos on the Internet and more importantly in your sex tourism guides. I told you that you needed to ask permission but you went right ahead and did so. Let's not get into the self-serving argument that you are doing them a favor by posting their photos. You're very lucky that you didn't end up being hauled into court or even worse.
Frankly, SL, I don't have any respect for people like you. You exploit people; you come on here and other sites to do research and then you go and take pictures of the girls for your sex tourism guides without telling them you are going to do so. It's pretty much reprehensible and one day I hope you get yours.You are a hypocrite.
I have just clicked on your profile (so I could work out who you are) and noticed that on a recent post of yours in the Surubaya forum you said to Pete33 'Whereabouts did you find the girl? '. Sure enough I followed the link and he's posted a photo of a pretty girl. It seems that your moral outrage about exploiting girls by photographing them isn't quite so vehement when you see a photo of a girl you'd like to fuck! I bet you didn't think Pete33 was 'reprehensible' when you were fucking the girl he posted a photograph of.
And the neat irony is that because Pete33 posted a photo, the girl got extra cash from you. When I made that point you completely dismissed it (you said it was 'self-serving') and yet you've proved it perfectly.
I also noticed that you asked KangK on the 'Photo Gallery' thread whether a girl he'd posted photos of was 'safe to play with or not'. I'd have thought with your strict moral code about 'exploiting' girls by taking photographs of them, the 'Photo Gallery' would be the last place you'd visit. What was that you were saying about respect?
I am prepared to listen to mature debate and answer questions accordingly (as I did when you commented on the Jakarta forum) but I really don't appreciate being lectured by a self-righteous hypocrite who doesn't practise what they preach.
Regarding the issue of me posting photos.
I re-read our exchange on the Jakarta forum and if you remember, I was debating the ethics of taking photos back then. Since then I decided not to post photos of the girls with my reports. This was my OWN CHOICE based on what I believed was right, as opposed to your rather naive suggestion that I should be getting girls to sign consent forms. The incident in Manila Bay Cafe to which you allude (day 3 of my diary) goes back to when I DID post a photo of Lina (not her real name by the way) after my 2010 trip.
Since last year or so MBC has a policy where if you buy the STAFF a drink they do charge you extra for it. The staff gets 50 peso a drink. Why would anyone buy a drink to a waitress in MBC is beyond me when they have a policy of no bar fines and if she gets caught with a customer she loses her job.
Working girls drinks are prices as per usual and they don't get peso for it. Each girl HAS to consume at least ONE drink before she leaves otherwise in future she may be refused entry. This is why the get tickets / stamps when they get a drink, the guard at the door checks before they leave.
Why would anyone buy a drink to a waitress in MBC is beyond me when they have a policy of no bar fines and if she gets caught with a customer she loses her job.I can only speak for myself but I have bought several drinks to some of the waitresses there because I found them way more cute and appealing than most of the aggressive old hats that are circling around the customers.
You have a good argument for getting rid of the old hats seeking company when you can say "sorry, I'm with one of the waitresses, she's just attending some other customers right now, but she will be back".
On the other hand you can easily dump the waitress if a real hottie comes around.
And actually I have been dating a few of the waitresses on their day off, taking them out for coffee, and on one occasion one of them asked me to wait for her outside MBC when her shift was over, because she wanted to spend the night with me.
She didn't seem to be afraid of being caught with me, and she never mentioned the risc of losing her job when doing so.
However that was last year, so maybe things have changed since.
Thanks for posting. Have to tell you that you got lucky that Joy was happy to accept 1500 Php. Many girls would have demanded / pleaded for much more in light of the fact that you hadn't talked about money until after the deed was done. ALWAYS best to settle on a price before leaving to go have fun, at MBC or anywhere else.
-Snip-You posted 5 screens of a quote just to add a few lines. Please consider editing the quotes. If some one wants to read the whole quote they can click [View Original Post].
Thanks for reading my rant,
Slim
I will pass by Manila next week on my way to Cebu. I arrive at the international terminal just before midnight and will take the first flight to Cebu (domestic terminal) in the morning at 04. 30. If my incoming flight is on time and I find a left-luggage facility in the domestic terminal I plan to take a cab to EDSA International Entertainment Complex in Pasay City and spend two hours there, it looks like a cab ride should only take 10-15 mins and the pussybars at EDSA will not close until 3-4AM right?
The last post about the Entertainment Complex was in 2010, if anything dramatic has changed can you let me know?
I reckon traffic should be minimal between 12midnight and 3AM?
Thanks
Wow, you like to cut things fine.
It will take maybe 30-40 mins to get through immigration and customs.
Your options for left luggage and onward movement will depend on the airlines that you are flying, and therefore the terminals which you will use. Distances between the Cebu Pacific terminal, and terminal 1 could take 30 to 40 mins, depending.
There are left luggage facilities in the Cebu Pacific terminal, but I do not know about the others. But I suspect that they may be closed at that time of night.
You are correct that traffic should be light, and the EDSA complex is not far from the airport. Make sure that you are at check in one hour before departure, just in case there is a stuff up. I was almost refused a seat when I arrived at check in 45 mins before departure.
It seems to me like a lot of hassle and rush for a quick visit to a girlie bar. But there again, you may have substantial reserves of essential bodily fluids that you need to discharge urgently.
G
I will pass by Manila next week on my way to Cebu. I arrive at the international terminal just before midnight and will take the first flight to Cebu (domestic terminal) in the morning at 04. 30. If my incoming flight is on time and I find a left-luggage facility in the domestic terminal I plan to take a cab to EDSA International Entertainment Complex in Pasay City and spend two hours there, it looks like a cab ride should only take 10-15 mins and the pussybars at EDSA will not close until 3-4AM right?
The last post about the Entertainment Complex was in 2010, if anything dramatic has changed can you let me know?
I reckon traffic should be minimal between 12midnight and 3AM?
Thanks
StreetHawk
09-25-12, 17:00
Iund.
And actually I have been dating a few of the waitresses on their day off, taking them out for coffee, and on one occasion one of them asked me to wait for her outside MBC when her shift was over, because she wanted to spend the night with me.
She didn't seem to be afraid of being caught with me, and she never mentioned the risc of losing her job when doing so.
However that was last year, so maybe things have changed since.I got with a MBC Girl, or LA cafe as it was still known then. She was really nice, a refreshing change from the rest of the clientele. Waited till her shift was over (which was 8 30am) and met her in Amazonia. Went back to the hotel and she stayed until just before her shift started again in the evening. She was a little worried about other people knowing about it. Very cute girl actually, one of the best I had on the trip.
Still cost me about the same as a ST though, I bought her a few LD's and wrangled a few more out of me for her colleagues / friends. Put a stop to that soon enough though.
I can only speak for myself but I have bought several drinks to some of the waitresses there because I found them way more cute and appealing than most of the aggressive old hats that are circling around the customers.
You have a good argument for getting rid of the old hats seeking company when you can say "sorry, I'm with one of the waitresses, she's just attending some other customers right now, but she will be back".
On the other hand you can easily dump the waitress if a real hottie comes around.
And actually I have been dating a few of the waitresses on their day off, taking them out for coffee, and on one occasion one of them asked me to wait for her outside MBC when her shift was over, because she wanted to spend the night with me.
She didn't seem to be afraid of being caught with me, and she never mentioned the risc of losing her job when doing so.
However that was last year, so maybe things have changed since.Yeah I know they are cute but they are out of reach. I am surprised about the rest of your post, I guess I haven't been persistent enough LOL
I will pass by Manila next week on my way to Cebu. I arrive at the international terminal just before midnight and will take the first flight to Cebu (domestic terminal) in the morning at 04. 30. If my incoming flight is on time and I find a left-luggage facility in the domestic terminal I plan to take a cab to EDSA International Entertainment Complex in Pasay City and spend two hours there, it looks like a cab ride should only take 10-15 mins and the pussybars at EDSA will not close until 3-4AM right?
The last post about the Entertainment Complex was in 2010, if anything dramatic has changed can you let me know?
I reckon traffic should be minimal between 12midnight and 3AM?
ThanksI'm 99% sure this place closes at 2 am. You could go to Manila Bay Cafe or maybe Air Force 1. I'm not sure what time AF1 closes but you could probably google them. AF1 is very close to the airport.
I will pass by Manila next week on my way to Cebu. I arrive at the international terminal just before midnight and will take the first flight to Cebu (domestic terminal) in the morning at 04. 30. If my incoming flight is on time and I find a left-luggage facility in the domestic terminal I plan to take a cab to EDSA International Entertainment Complex in Pasay City and spend two hours there, it looks like a cab ride should only take 10-15 mins and the pussybars at EDSA will not close until 3-4AM right?
The last post about the Entertainment Complex was in 2010, if anything dramatic has changed can you let me know?
I reckon traffic should be minimal between 12midnight and 3AM?
ThanksEDSA closes at 3. If all you want action you may be better off going to some of the closer brothels or MBC as you will waste less time (no need for girl to change, closer hotel etc).
Radical Guy
09-25-12, 18:00
EDSA closes at 3. If all you want action you may be better off going to some of the closer brothels or MBC as you will waste less time (no need for girl to change, closer hotel etc).If memory serves, the EDSA complex is closer to the airport than MBC. The Hyatt is right across the street, or you could take the lady to the airport hotel.
RG
Soapy Smith
09-25-12, 18:40
If memory serves, the EDSA complex is closer to the airport than MBC. The Hyatt is right across the street, or you could take the lady to the airport hotel.
RGThat time of night EDSA complex is about a 15 minute drive, give or take a little. MBC and Ermita are at least 30 minutes. I think you may be referring to the Heritage, not the Hyatt. There are a few other hotel options in the EDSA area. One of them is SOGO, which can be gotten on foot across a footbridge over EDSA. The SOGO is a cheap, short time hotel by design. Some people report that the walk may be a little risky at night, in which case a taxi from in front of the EDSA complex will cost about 50 pesos, travel about 300 meters, and make the lady feel she's traveling in comfort. Manila Airport Hotel could be convenient if you are flying to Cebu on PAL from Terminal 2 (in which case you can walk to the terminal), but if you're going on CP Air, it is not close to Terminal 3. Two other disadvantages of the Airport Hotel: many of the rooms have two twin beds; the taxis waiting in their parking lot (for toting the lady home) have jacked-up prices, and flagging down a taxi from out by the road can be time-consuming when you have limited time to get in-and-out, as it were.
Sir Lancelot
09-25-12, 18:42
I will pass by Manila next week on my way to Cebu. I arrive at the international terminal just before midnight and will take the first flight to Cebu (domestic terminal) in the morning at 04. 30. If my incoming flight is on time and I find a left-luggage facility in the domestic terminal I plan to take a cab to EDSA International Entertainment Complex in Pasay City and spend two hours there, it looks like a cab ride should only take 10-15 mins and the pussybars at EDSA will not close until 3-4AM right?I posted a report about EDSA in 2010. I was back in Philippines this year but didn't return to EDSA. That's not to say that I didn't like it there or there weren't pretty girls, I just thought that it was very expensive compared to Angeles. However, for your purposes it's perfect.
It's worth noting that EDSA is not just the name of the gogo complex, it's also the name of the motorway that it's on, as well as the name of a hotel. To avoid any confusion say to the taxi-driver 'Heritage Hotel, EDSA'. From the hotel, you will see the bars. The complex has a central food-court surrounded by doors for the gogo bars. I'm not sure whether much has changed but on my visit in 2010, clockwise from the entrance the first bar is Pit Stop, then Space Girls, Firehouse, Cotton Club, Bullets & Arrows and Samba. I visited all of these but didn't get chance to go to Casino, the final bar. Here's what I wrote in my report:
"It was difficult to differentiate between the bars as most had a similar number of girls, of a similar age and quality. Even drinks cost the same (110 pesos for a San Miguel Light). In my opinion though, Bullets and Arrows was head and shoulders above the rest in terms of atmosphere and quality of girls."
I was impressed by Bullets & Arrows as it had the prettiest girls and the largest quantity too. The other bars had between 12 and 15 girls but Bullets & Arrows had 20. Since you will need to be taking a girl quickly with a flight to catch, I'd recommend that as a start point. Space Girls was my second favourite and then the other were pretty similar. Of course a lot can change in two years though.
As Radical Guy points out, EDSA complex is closer to the airport than Manila Bay Cafe. It takes about ten minutes to get a taxi from EDSA to MBC.
Enjoy yourself in Cebu. I recently posted reviews of all of the gogo bars in the Mango area on the Cebu thread. BG's Bikini Bar is the creme de la creme although there are plenty of pretty girls available for a fraction of the cost of the EDSA bars.
Thanks all for the input re:EDSA International Entertainment Complex and my stopover!
Yeah, I will not stress too much, if I won't make it to a nudiebar no worries, haha but I reckon if everything goes smoothly and I have 3 hours to kill around 1AM. Why not do it with a drink in my hand and a sexy girl in my lap! . Most probably I will not have sex, the hassle of finding room etc and be stressed for the flight.
Better to see it as foreplay to my Cebu adventure.
Sir Lancelot: great, I will check out the Cebu thread now
Thanks all for the input re:EDSA International Entertainment Complex and my stopover!
Yeah, I will not stress too much, if I won't make it to a nudiebar no worries, haha but I reckon if everything goes smoothly and I have 3 hours to kill around 1AM. Why not do it with a drink in my hand and a sexy girl in my lap! . Most probably I will not have sex, the hassle of finding room etc and be stressed for the flight.
Better to see it as foreplay to my Cebu adventure.
Sir Lancelot: great, I will check out the Cebu thread nowWhy not just stop in at Airforce 1? They will shower you, massage you and give you a lube job with ample time to return to the airport for your connecting flight.
[QUOTE=Wiild; 1331553]Thanks all for the input re:EDSA International Entertainment Complex and my stopover!
Another choice for you is StarFleet, about ten minutes away from the airport by cab. Ask the cabbie to take you to the top floor for drop off. Various levels of service / prices offered, I have only opted for the top service at 2000 pesos for the room (plus equivalent tip). It's pricy by A. C. Standards but top drawer entertainment for those with just a few hours layover, so to speak. For this you get showered and a body slide, for starters. Bon apetit!
In my opinion though, Bullets and Arrows was head and shoulders above the rest in terms of atmosphere and quality of girls."
I was impressed by Bullets & Arrows as it had the prettiest girls and the largest quantity too. The other bars had between 12 and 15 girls but Bullets & Arrows had 20. I would agree, but in addition, I would add that Pitstop is also in that "head and shoulders" category since both Bullets and Pitstop are owned by the same entity. The following are a couple of those beauties; the first from Pitstop and the next from Bullets.
If memory serves, the EDSA complex is closer to the airport than MBC. The Hyatt is right across the street, or you could take the lady to the airport hotel.
RGYou are right RG but at that time of the night its few minutes difference between EDSA and MBC. Problem with EDSA is that once you are in you want to look at all the bars, then you wait for the girl to change then you look for hotel. Its just too much time wasting if you want action. MBC is far simpler, no waiting for the girl, with Hotel Amazonia 30 meters away. Airforce 1 and Starfleet are also good options, probably the best options if you just come from a long flight and you need to continue on.
Tell the EDSA gal that you are crazy about her and you will give her (or the mama) 50/100? Pesos if she's at the door in five minutes, and I think you could save the time and money of taxis out to MBC.
Mcdonny is right, EDSA EC does create a very enjoyable, yet self destructive, mood. The next set of dancers might be better, the next-door bar might have a better gal, and if you find a stunner, she might still be there after you've bounced (crawled for me Brit friends) thru a few of the bars. You could end up drunk and left with the dregs.
You are right RG but at that time of the night its few minutes difference between EDSA and MBC. Problem with EDSA is that once you are in you want to look at all the bars, then you wait for the girl to change then you look for hotel. Its just too much time wasting if you want action. MBC is far simpler, no waiting for the girl, with Hotel Amazonia 30 meters away. Airforce 1 and Starfleet are also good options, probably the best options if you just come from a long flight and you need to continue on.
Pip
If you had visited the small office to the left of the immigration booths upon arrival at NAIA you could have got a 59 visa for less than 3000 pesos. I do this when I need and is no hassle, can take up to 15 mins and sometimes you meet the odd interesting characater. Also once you have the visa receipr, you just hop into the queue immediately outside the office that is normally reserved for non westerners (or something that is not for able boied mongers!) and the immigration officer will stamp your passport. No need to be ripped off by any hotel (some guys have had major worries doing what you did as a week later the passport had not been returned)
Now given what I have read on this it does seem there maybe a different 'rule' if flying out of the USA on certain carriers but that would never effect me but I understand if that is a concern then it should be processed in the home country.
If not just get it at the airport on arrival and is much cheaper IMHOExcellent info. Wish I saw it before I arrived. I just visited the immigration office in Makati (on Buendia at corner of Paseo de Roxas). Completed the form, paid my 3030 pesos, and was told it would take 2 hours. I didn't want to wait around so I picked it up the following morning. Note: this form mentions a NBI form that needs to completed too, but this isn't relevant and can be ignored. This visa extension is for 38 days, which begins upon the completion of the initial 21-day period, so 59 days in total.
Here's info:
http://immigration.gov.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=118&Itemid=43
If you intend to stay a while you get nailed on the second 59-day visa, which is approx. 7300 pesos.
Magic Johnson
09-30-12, 04:02
Hi guys. First Post on ISG and this is my FR of my time in PH.
Spent 17/09. 21/09 in Manila for business. That's a lot of days for fucking! But I only went out for one proper night. Meetings everyday and having flu was really bringing me down. Hotel I stayed at was the Richmonde Hotel Ortegas. As has been previously reported, this hotel has the mix of just being average, whilst being far from everything else. That said, you are close to some of the main malls and the hotel's superior rooms are very good value for money, clean and comfortable. Just don't buy their shitty breakfast buffet or have their dinner. Chef must be retarded.
Since my colleagues were at the same hotel, didn't really want to risk bringing a lady back. FYI, I've read the Richmonde is GF. I decided to hit Quezon Ave at around 10pm on a Wednesday. Got the taxi to bring me to Classmates KTV. Taxi BTW took 15 mins from my hotel. 150 peso. At this time the place was completely empty. The set up is a huge room with comfy looking sofas towards a cat walk, back rooms for KTV and upstairs for personal one to one. Was 1000 peso cover charge to sit in the lounge and watch some girl dancing on the stage. Furthest away from the lounge entrance there is the room where they hold the girls. There was about 70-80 young girls in this room that grades from 6-9 of all sizes and shapes, in less than attractive school uniforms. Great selection. To be honest, I was a little taken back by the number of girls, so prepare yourself men! The price if I'm not mistaken is 1k per hour for the girl to sit and drink with you. To go upstairs for action, it's 8000 for the girl and 2-3000 for the room. Such a rip off! 11k in total goes a long way anywhere else. You can negotiate 4000-5000 for the girl excluding room price, but still too expensive.
Felt abit despondent walking out of that place. Didn't want to go to the famous bars for FL at this time, and mess around at a Sogo Hotel either. Next door to Classmates is Kremlin spa / massage. Owned by the same management, so I felt I might be wasting my time having a look. This massage place is quite unique I feel. There are three floors of varying quality in 'services' provided. The basement is Gulag class, next up is Politburo and top floor is Bolshevik / Czar. Pricing is below.
Gulag. 700 room (HJ for sure, but FS is girl's choice. Price is 700 for FS).1hr.
Politburo. 1200 room. 1200 min for FS. 1hr.
Bolshevik / Czar. 2200 room. 2500 min for FS. 1hr.
Gulag appears to be semi-legit. 700 for a massage. Might need to tip for the HJ, not sure since I didn't try. I asked for a line up and initially the manager said it was randomly assigned. Insist on seeing and he will bring out the girls. He had 3 on offer and I'm sure these are the girls that do FS. Only one was of a nice height and had an athletic body. 6.5 grade, all wearing massage uniforms. I sort of liked these better than the school uniforms I saw earlier. I said I would take a rain check, since I thought the pricing would be okay at this place. Next stop, Bolshevik / Czar class. Go through the glass doors and talked to the friendly manager, and he will lead you to fish bowl (with no one way glass). Around 30 girls here, grade 7-9, looked quite interested and up for action. Definitely some quality here, but I was put off by the pricing. Especially when I know FL is much cheaper. That said, next time I will give this class a try for sure. I nearly took the dive here, but I wanted to check out Politburo class. Manager of this floor was genuinely friendly. Another fish bowl with just less than 20 girls. Quality drop here. Mostly 6-7. Had this look on their faces of being abit desperate. Guess that's what happens when you are put in a lower class! Manager recommended two girls; young girl playing on her phone and one walking into the room. The girls were ugly or fat, in that respective order. Our manager needs to have his eyes checked! Anyways luckily for me there was a gem here, a 8. 5 spinner. Not sure why she was in this class.
I booked this girl and paid 1200 at the counter. Some staff lady took me to the room and asked me for a drink. Was 100 for bottled water! Anyways the room is modern, with alot of wood and some spa decor. Very good compared to some Thailand places I've been to. Room is abit cramped though and the shower is one of those plastic rectangles. If you're tall, you won't fit inside (I am 5'7). Girl comes in and she is better looking face to face, around 5'5 slim body but small breasts. She had a great attitude and was considerate throughout. We got out clothes off and she washed me down in the shower. If you are too tall to fit in the shower, I think they throw you out at this point. After the shower she asked me if I wanted a massage or to do 'something'. I asked for the massage, which BTW was shit. I teased her about it and made her shy. Then we got down to business. My girl french kisses, BBBJ but warned me not to CIM haha. Put cap on And then standard missionary, scissoring, behind standing and behind rifleman position. Had a little rest and BBBJ. Watched a little of tv and hugged abit. Discovery Channel with a bloke cutting his arm off. Recapped and then executed karma sutra position 84 and with the power of our lord above (don't worry, she was Christian, I'm not) , finished in Jap style missionary.
This girl was a pretty good fuck. Tipped her 1500 (1200 is the minimum, as told by manager) and got her phone number for outcall service. Standard time is 1hr, but my girl gave me 15mins extra. Outside I shook her hand and gave her a little kiss. Interesting thing was I exited at the same time as another guy. He had the fat girl the manager recommended earlier and walked away looked unhappy and no goodbye to the girl. Didn't have the chance to repeat business at my hotel. Was way too busy the rest of the week. But yeah, definitely something to remember. Will return next time do give Bolshevik class a spin if I am with colleagues again.
Other experience of PH was visiting 'Asian Entertainment Club and KTV' on Roxas Blvd with my colleagues. This place blows. Drinks are reasonable and it's a dirty lounge in front of a stage. Place smelt of sick. Show starts at 8pm. Just some trashy dancing by some low grade girls. Place full of Japanese but they kept moving out. Got a line up for my colleague and these girls are well past their prime, that said there were 7 grade girls on tables with customers. FS for 7-8k upstairs but definitely not worth anything on show.
Hey all. Long time member of USASG posting in ISG for the first time.
Hit up EDSA for some, of course, punani. Saw mamasan of Firehouse who has taken care of my goodfriend with many awesome suggestions previously. She immediately recognized him and walked us in, each one on her arms. This is the way to get the gurls' attention if you want them to know you are there. Heh heh. Took a seat at the far corner of the bar, bought her a drink and cut chatted with her for a bit. She recommended a couple of girls for us that were just fine in the looks and body departmentt I didn't click with mine so I asked for number 36. (found out the numbers are assigned according to arrival times. The girls that arrive early get lower numbers).
She was a firecrackerand had a body like the provider I see locally. 5ft. 90lbs. 32b's.
Here is the kicker. Talked with mama San and / with the girl. Negotiated 1650p for LT. All was good until the next morning where I would illicit the guys' opinion on here.
In the morning, as she was about to leave, she asked for her pay. WTF? She claims the bar fine is only for EWR and her services are separate. She stated that 3000p is for ST on top of the bar fine, hinting that what I now owed her would be even more. When I pressed her for an explanation she answered that EDSA bars don't share the BF with the girls, that it was the policy of an agreement with owners of EDSA bars (I thought it was a single owner of the facility) and that for 3000ST, the LT would be double that. Well, I offered her to go down to Firehouse and apologize to the MS or the misunderstanding as a way to confront her in front of the MS with this news. Damn be*h tried to pull a fast one on me. Girl's name is Jinky. Beck, even took her to eat and gave her chocolates.
The opinion I am searching for is in regards to telling MS about her. Any opinions?
V Rider
You are right RG but at that time of the night its few minutes difference between EDSA and MBC. Problem with EDSA is that once you are in you want to look at all the bars, then you wait for the girl to change then you look for hotel. Its just too much time wasting if you want action. MBC is far simpler, no waiting for the girl, with Hotel Amazonia 30 meters away. Airforce 1 and Starfleet are also good options, probably the best options if you just come from a long flight and you need to continue on.I did have a problem with AF1 during an afternoon visit, which is that there were no taxis available after I had done the deed. Staff were not able to call one or were too busy. And when one showed up, he wanted to charge me a few hundred to get to the airport.
Hey all. Long time poster in USASG. First time poster in ISG.
Had a weird experience in Firehouse. Was told by mamasan and girl the bar fine (1650php) is separate from what you pay the girl. Was quoted 3000php for short time. Have you seniors heard if these outrageous rates?
V Rider
Blackangst
09-30-12, 21:05
Hey all. Long time member of USASG posting in ISG for the first time.
Hit up EDSA for some, of course, punani. Saw mamasan of Firehouse who has taken care of my goodfriend with many awesome suggestions previously. She immediately recognized him and walked us in, each one on her arms. This is the way to get the gurls' attention if you want them to know you are there. Heh heh. Took a seat at the far corner of the bar, bought her a drink and cut chatted with her for a bit. She recommended a couple of girls for us that were just fine in the looks and body departmentt I didn't click with mine so I asked for number 36. (found out the numbers are assigned according to arrival times. The girls that arrive early get lower numbers).
She was a firecrackerand had a body like the provider I see locally. 5ft. 90lbs. 32b's.
Here is the kicker. Talked with mama San and / with the girl. Negotiated 1650p for LT. All was good until the next morning where I would illicit the guys' opinion on here.
In the morning, as she was about to leave, she asked for her pay. WTF? She claims the bar fine is only for EWR and her services are separate. She stated that 3000p is for ST on top of the bar fine, hinting that what I now owed her would be even more. When I pressed her for an explanation she answered that EDSA bars don't share the BF with the girls, that it was the policy of an agreement with owners of EDSA bars (I thought it was a single owner of the facility) and that for 3000ST, the LT would be double that. Well, I offered her to go down to Firehouse and apologize to the MS or the misunderstanding as a way to confront her in front of the MS with this news. Damn be*h tried to pull a fast one on me. Girl's name is Jinky. Beck, even took her to eat and gave her chocolates.
The opinion I am searching for is in regards to telling MS about her. Any opinions?
V RiderThat is correct. Barfine at EDSA does not include tip or pay like in AC. BF + 2000 + is normal.
WestCoast1
09-30-12, 21:38
SNIP.
Here is the kicker. Talked with mama San and / with the girl. Negotiated 1650p for LT. All was good until the next morning where I would illicit the guys' opinion on here.
In the morning, as she was about to leave, she asked for her pay. WTF? She claims the bar fine is only for EWR and her services are separate. She stated that 3000p is for ST on top of the bar fine, hinting that what I now owed her would be even more. When I pressed her for an explanation she answered that EDSA bars don't share the BF with the girls, that it was the policy of an agreement with owners of EDSA bars (I thought it was a single owner of the facility) and that for 3000ST, the LT would be double that. Well, I offered her to go down to Firehouse and apologize to the MS or the misunderstanding as a way to confront her in front of the MS with this news. Damn be*h tried to pull a fast one on me. Girl's name is Jinky. Beck, even took her to eat and gave her chocolates.
The opinion I am searching for is in regards to telling MS about her. Any opinions?
V RiderV: Was going to PM you, but you don't have PM yet. Get a membership. BAngst is right, the money to the girl is separate from the barfine (I like to call EDSA the P-Burgos-West). You can dicker with the girls there for her tip later, how long she stays, etc. Don't leave a barfine bar without it clear in both your mind and her mind how much she's getting in the morning. 3k+3k for LT sounds steep, even for EDSA. Gents?
PM me when you get a membership.
V: Was going to PM you, but you don't have PM yet. Get a membership. BAngst is right, the money to the girl is separate from the barfine (I like to call EDSA the P-Burgos-West). You can dicker with the girls there for her tip later, how long she stays, etc. Don't leave a barfine bar without it clear in both your mind and her mind how much she's getting in the morning. 3k+3k for LT sounds steep, even for EDSA. Gents?
PM me when you get a membership.Now I feel bad that I went in with a different idea of what should happen. I'm going to hit up firehouse and pay mamasn what I owee the girl.
What would be the best place to exchange my yen for pesos? Hotel? Airport bank exchange?
Regular Phil bank? Currency exchange?
The exchange places give the best rate, the hotels the worst. Nevertheless, if you need money on the first day, use the airport exchange places. You need to pay taxi fare, and some hotels will ask for a "deposit", and if it is a late arrival, you don't want to be looking for an open money exchange.
The Ermita and Malate money exchange places stay open fairly late. I'm guessing the Burgos area has similar places. You didn't give us an arrival time / nor final destination in MM.
Just an observation, but the money changers seem to hedge their bets by putting exchange rates in their favor late Friday. And it lasts thru the weekend when money markets are closed. Cash up before weekends to save a few bucks on the exchange rate.
What would be the best place to exchange my yen for pesos? Hotel? Airport bank exchange?
Regular Phil bank? Currency exchange?
WestCoast1
10-01-12, 13:57
Now I feel bad that I went in with a different idea of what should happen. I'm going to hit up firehouse and pay mamasn what I owee the girl.Careful. Mistake #2. Can you get PM please?
Hey all. Long time member of USASG posting in ISG for the first time.
Hit up EDSA for some, of course, punani. Saw mamasan of Firehouse who has taken care of my goodfriend with many awesome suggestions previously. She immediately recognized him and walked us in, each one on her arms. This is the way to get the gurls' attention if you want them to know you are there. Heh heh. Took a seat at the far corner of the bar, bought her a drink and cut chatted with her for a bit. She recommended a couple of girls for us that were just fine in the looks and body departmentt I didn't click with mine so I asked for number 36. (found out the numbers are assigned according to arrival times. The girls that arrive early get lower numbers).
She was a firecrackerand had a body like the provider I see locally. 5ft. 90lbs. 32b's.
Here is the kicker. Talked with mama San and / with the girl. Negotiated 1650p for LT. All was good until the next morning where I would illicit the guys' opinion on here.
In the morning, as she was about to leave, she asked for her pay. WTF? She claims the bar fine is only for EWR and her services are separate. She stated that 3000p is for ST on top of the bar fine, hinting that what I now owed her would be even more. When I pressed her for an explanation she answered that EDSA bars don't share the BF with the girls, that it was the policy of an agreement with owners of EDSA bars (I thought it was a single owner of the facility) and that for 3000ST, the LT would be double that. Well, I offered her to go down to Firehouse and apologize to the MS or the misunderstanding as a way to confront her in front of the MS with this news. Damn be*h tried to pull a fast one on me. Girl's name is Jinky. Beck, even took her to eat and gave her chocolates.
The opinion I am searching for is in regards to telling MS about her. Any opinions?
V RiderLOL. Glad you're having fun up there man. For almost every gogo bar you hit up in the Philippines, you're going to have to pay a Bar Fine and then a separate fee for the girl. Sometimes, the girl will also expect a tip as well for good or extra services.
So what about the hundreds of guys who have posted thousands of pics on ISG?
Why single out Lancelot?Please read more carefully:
"take pictures of the girls for your sex tourism guides without telling them you are going to do so"
You are a hypocrite.
I have just clicked on your profile (so I could work out who you are) and noticed that on a recent post of yours in the Surubaya forum you said to Pete33 'Whereabouts did you find the girl? '. Sure enough I followed the link and he's posted a photo of a pretty girl. It seems that your moral outrage about exploiting girls by photographing them isn't quite so vehement when you see a photo of a girl you'd like to fuck! I bet you didn't think Pete33 was 'reprehensible' when you were fucking the girl he posted a photograph of.
And the neat irony is that because Pete33 posted a photo, the girl got extra cash from you. When I made that point you completely dismissed it (you said it was 'self-serving') and yet you've proved it perfectly.Are you daft? The point was that you were making money off of sex guides and using the girls' pics without telling them. I warned you over and over again to ask permission but you went ahead.
And, I never met the girl. I went to the Oasis spa twice while in Surabaya. I'd ask you to PM me (as you've done others on the board) to get a link to that review on another board but I'd be afraid that you'd steal it.
I am prepared to listen to mature debate and answer questions accordingly (as I did when you commented on the Jakarta forum) but I really don't appreciate being lectured by a self-righteous hypocrite who doesn't practise what they preach.
Regarding the issue of me posting photos.
I re-read our exchange on the Jakarta forum and if you remember, I was debating the ethics of taking photos back then. Since then I decided not to post photos of the girls with my reports. This was my OWN CHOICE based on what I believed was right, as opposed to your rather naive suggestion that I should be getting girls to sign consent forms. The incident in Manila Bay Cafe to which you allude (day 3 of my diary) goes back to when I DID post a photo of Lina (not her real name by the way) after my 2010 trip.Please don't try to make this about me. I am not the one who trolls the boards for information (Hello Thommo) , and then uses that info to publish sex guides with pictures taken of women without their model consent. I have no problems if you post pics of women, what my problem is is with people who take their pics and make money off of them without their consent.
It's interesting how you seem to make it all about others such as being worried that Lina will try to "extort" money from you or that I am being a hypocrite. Again, you are the victimizer here.
Dick Hertz
10-02-12, 03:07
Posting pictures without permission is the main reason girls will not to let others take any photos of them. If you want to post the pictures just make sure you can not tell who the girl is so her family will not know.
Tally Wacker
10-02-12, 04:26
Posting pictures without permission is the main reason girls will not to let others take any photos of them. If you want to post the pictures just make sure you can not tell who the girl is so her family will not know.Oh how do you know this is how the girls feel? How many girls did you photo? I'm dying to see what girls said yes!
[Read Republic Act. 9995. QUOTE=Vielendank; 1333356]This isn't a joke and you can do some serious time.[/QUOTE]I had a quick look at the Act, which came into force 2009 apparently, and pics taken of fully clothed girls seems to be ok. The Act is concerned about genitals, sex acts, and underclothing type pics. A lot of ISG picture gallery pics would seem to come under the Act. Perhaps Jackson should be aware of this, although the Filipino's have a great reputation of talking about things but doing nothing. From 2009 to 2012, how many ISG guys have been arrested and now doing serious time? Nil, LOL.
Radical Guy
10-02-12, 19:36
[Read Republic Act. 9995. QUOTE=Vielendank; 1333356]although the Filipino's have a great reputation of talking about things but doing nothing.Sounds like they must be Republicans. LOL.
RG
WestCoast1
10-03-12, 01:18
This isn't a joke and you can do some serious time.Respectfully: The law came about from a dentist in Manila who would put his female patients to sleep, then disrobe them and take pics (see local newspapers 2009 and 2010).
Its not a joke, but nobody's going to jail. Who will the girl complain to? The police, who will tell her they cannot prosecute someone who is no longer in the country, and even if he was, there is no proof that he took the pictures, nor any proof that the guy who took the pics is the same one (Sir Lance) who posted them online. What will she ask the authorities to do wait around the Manila airport awaiting the next arrival of Lance? It might be relevant if the girl a) found the pics online that were taken recently, and be) could direct the authorities to that person before he left town. That way they might be able to threaten / extort some money from him.
Not only that but if they find out and file a report you can be arrested for it in the PI's and this website could be shut down and fined.The website is not hosted in phils. Again, even if it was, who would shut it down? One would have to interest the NBI or such government organization with the ability to get a Court order to shut it down. As the site is hosted elsewhere, its not a worry.
SNIP.
Perhaps Jackson should be aware of this, although the Filipino's have a great reputation of talking about things but doing nothing. From 2009 to 2012, how many ISG guys have been arrested and now doing serious time? Nil, LOL.Ya. Nobody is interested in doing anything about it.
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Its not a joke, but nobody's going to jail. Who will the girl complain to? The police, who will tell her they cannot prosecute someone who is no longer in the country, and even if he was, there is no proof that he took the pictures, nor any proof that the guy who took the pics is the same one (Sir Lance) who posted them online. What will she ask the authorities to do wait around the Manila airport awaiting the next arrival of Lance? It might be relevant if the girl a) found the pics online that were taken recently, and be) could direct the authorities to that person before he left town. That way they might be able to threaten / extort some money from him.
The website is not hosted in phils. Again, even if it was, who would shut it down? One would have to interest the NBI or such government organization with the ability to get a Court order to shut it down. As the site is hosted elsewhere, its not a worry.
Ya. Nobody is interested in doing anything about it.The new cybercrime bill here (currently being debated in the Philippines Congress) gives quite severe powers to the authorities to close down websites etc and prosecute people who slander others online and including sites like FB and others. It's only a small step from FB to ISG.
This is one reason why I cautioned a few guys about using some local Senators' names here recently when we were discussing corruption etc.
I think we need to be a bit careful about running off in all directions online.
Websites can be closed down easily enough. I know that ISG has the ability to spring open again in various ways but there are some very talented IT experts here in the Phils who might make life difficult and even take away our our online discussions.
Just saying.
Watch the Philippines news for progress on the cybercrime bill at present.
There is a shitstorm on FB at present about it.
WestCoast1
10-03-12, 04:55
The new cybercrime bill here (currently being debated in the Philippines Congress) gives quite severe powers to the authorities to close down websites etc and prosecute people who slander others online and including sites like FB and others. It's only a small step from FB to ISG.Thanks. Was unaware of the new cybercrime bill. Got a link to read up on it?
WC
The new cybercrime bill here (currently being debated in the Philippines Congress) gives quite severe powers to the authorities to close down websites etc and prosecute people who slander others online and including sites like FB and others. It's only a small step from FB to ISG.
This is one reason why I cautioned a few guys about using some local Senators' names here recently when we were discussing corruption etc.
I think we need to be a bit careful about running off in all directions online.
Websites can be closed down easily enough. I know that ISG has the ability to spring open again in various ways but there are some very talented IT experts here in the Phils who might make life difficult and even take away our our online discussions.
Just saying.
Watch the Philippines news for progress on the cybercrime bill at present.
There is a shitstorm on FB at present about it.Yep its a big issue at the moment. Slandering Filipino police is now a crime and they can bring charges against you. Also they intend to monitor lots of "suspicious activities" among them cyber sex. I can see this being clamp down on illegal operators and freelance cam girls. The question is how much funds are they going to allocate to this and are they going to take this seriously or is it going to be just another tool in oppressing democracy.
Thanks. Was unaware of the new cybercrime bill. Got a link to read up on it?
WCTry these for starters WC.
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=855510&publicationSubCategoryId=63
http://technology.inquirer.net/17792/nothing-unconstitutional-with-cybercrime-prevention-act-de-lima
Econo Tech
10-04-12, 02:38
Yep its a big issue at the moment. Slandering Filipino police is now a crime and they can bring charges against you. Also they intend to monitor lots of "suspicious activities" among them cyber sex. I can see this being clamp down on illegal operators and freelance cam girls. The question is how much funds are they going to allocate to this and are they going to take this seriously or is it going to be just another tool in oppressing democracy.Oh, I am sure, Filipino style, they will work on foreigners first, and forget about natives slandering on anybody. After all, Foreigners property, if they have, can be forfeited or fined massively. Foreigners must learn to respect locals right? LOL. That will be the biggest excuse, for prioritising foreigners.
Then again, like the couple who were wrongly accused of murdering the kid Ella Joy (in the Bella Ruby case.) have no recourse other than to be spat upon, threatened with murder and basically their name splattered all over the world.
Oh, BTW, the 'emotional' and 'strong willed' filipinos are on a campaign, to show their anger, by placing a black ribbon across their facebook profiles. As if that's going to work. Don't tell them otherwise.
FreebieFan
10-06-12, 15:04
Oh, I am sure, Filipino style, they will work on foreigners first, and forget about natives slandering on anybody. After all, Foreigners property, if they have, can be forfeited or fined massively. Foreigners must learn to respect locals right? LOL. That will be the biggest excuse, for prioritising foreigners.
Then again, like the couple who were wrongly accused of murdering the kid Ella Joy (in the Bella Ruby case.) have no recourse other than to be spat upon, threatened with murder and basically their name splattered all over the world.
Oh, BTW, the 'emotional' and 'strong willed' filipinos are on a campaign, to show their anger, by placing a black ribbon across their facebook profiles. As if that's going to work. Don't tell them otherwise.Well said. The am, e ribbons were used by the "puritans" against the Reproductive Health Bill. Big ribbons outside their houses in Ayala Alabang. The same houses where the wife is quite chaste, does it misionary style once a week and is always in church on Sunday. Husband supports the act, but in between supporting it, is in the best KTV places in QC with his governement buddies but on sundays gives the most in the collection box. Sad and hypocritical. And yes these are always tthe first to have a go at the foreigners no matter how small our numbers are.
Sir Lancelot
10-07-12, 14:45
The point was that you were making money off of sex guides and using the girls' pics without telling them.You've made a lot of false assumptions. You paint a picture that I'm an evil sex baron, exploiting the girls and getting filthy rich from selling my diaries online. That's just not the case. For a while I decided to charge a very small fee for my diaries so that for people to read them, they would need a PayPal account. It was a barrier to stop the wrong people from reading them. If my diaries were all about making money as you wrongly assume, I would have put effort in to promoting the site but I didn't. Furthermore I was approached by another website offering me money to sell my diaries but I declined because it was a public site. I could have made money but I chose not to because the site was accessible by anyone. Contrary to what you may think, I do have a conscience and I do respect the girls.
I would also like to make a few more points. My website is no longer running and although I used to post pics of girls on ISG with my diary, I no longer do so. The pics I used to post were head shots and fully clothed. The only naked photos I have ever taken, the girl jumped on to the bed and ordered me to take them! I always tip generously whenever a girl agrees to pose for photos and whenever I mention girls in my reports, I change their name.
I warned you over and over again to ask permission but you went ahead.Again, you're simply wrong. I'm getting the impression that you're not terribly bright. Use your brain to put it in to chronological order. We had a discussion on the Jakarta thread over a year ago and if you re-read it, you will see that I was seriously debating the ethics of posting photos back then. Since then I stopped, not because of what you said but because I felt it was the right thing to do. I haven't posted any photos since so quite where you get the idea that I shrugged off your warnings and 'went ahead' I don't know. The incident in Manila Bay Café harks back to my trip two years ago when photos of my diary were posted on Thommo's site.
I am not the one who trolls the boards for information (Hello Thommo) , and then uses that info to publish sex guidesWhat on earth you do mean 'troll the boards'? Yes I used Thommo's website, a veritable goldmine of information, but then I posted huge field reports on his site! I even wrote weekly blogs for it! Similarly I use ISG to research trips but every year I post a huge diary. Maybe you were too busy frothing at the mouth to notice that I have recently completely posting a 40, 000 word diary on the Angeles, Manila, Cebu and Other Towns threads? Where does 'trolling' come in to it? I give back plenty to this site which is surely what this forum is all about.
You on the other hand contribute nothing. You've posted 90 times in threads like Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Singapore, Toronto to help plan your trips and yet only once have you posted anything that even slightly resembles a field report (a very short piece without any useful information whatsoever except 'ooo the girls were ugly'). You take, take, take but you give nothing, so don't lecture me on my use of the forum.
I'd ask you to PM me (as you've done others on the board) to get a link to that review on another board but I'd be afraid that you'd steal it.I don't know where to begin with this comment. Why is it relevant that I have sent people private messages on this board. Does it somehow all tie in to me being an evil mastermind in your head? Not that I feel the need to defend myself but I have only replied to people who have sent me a PM, usually thanking me for my diaries. And what on earth do you mean you would be afraid I would steal it? You remind me of a kid I used to argue with in the playground when I was about ten years old, who would try to bring lots of other things in to arguments as an act of desperation. I have never 'stolen' anything so please feel free to explain that one to me.
Please don't try to make this about me.Just to remind you, you called my behaviour 'reprehensible' for 'exploiting' girls and you said that you hoped that I would 'get mine', whatever that means, all based on a series of incorrect assumptions. I do apologise if it seems like I'm now attacking you!
To be honest, I'm confused about your logic regarding exploitation. It could be argued that any of us who goes to Asia to have sex with girls is exploiting them. It could be argued that anyone who takes photos and posts them on websites are exploiting them. But in your mind it's only exploitation if the photos are used to gain money? In which case, why do you use this forum or Thommo's website? Both make money and both include lots of photos of girls.
To clarify, I use this forum to gain information to plan my trips. I then post HUGE diaries on the forum afterwards, giving a huge amount of relevant information back. I used to post photos but I don't any more. Tell me what part of that is wrong.
Soapy Smith
10-07-12, 20:52
The pics I used to post were head shots and fully clothed.If you post a picture on a sex tourism site showing the face of one of the girls, regardless whether she is naked or clothed, you are telling the world-and any of her friends or family who sees it-that she is "in the business."
I found your diary posts from your recent trip tasteful and respectful toward the women.
You've made a lot of false assumptions. You paint a picture that I'm an evil sex baron, exploiting the girls and getting filthy rich from selling my diaries online. That's just not the case. For a while I decided to charge a very small fee for my diaries so that for people to read them, they would need a PayPal account. It was a barrier to stop the wrong people from reading them. If my diaries were all about making money as you wrongly assume, I would have put effort in to promoting the site but I didn't. Furthermore I was approached by another website offering me money to sell my diaries but I declined because it was a public site. I could have made money but I chose not to because the site was accessible by anyone. Contrary to what you may think, I do have a conscience and I do respect the girls.
I would also like to make a few more points. My website is no longer running and although I used to post pics of girls on ISG with my diary, I no longer do so. The pics I used to post were head shots and fully clothed. The only naked photos I have ever taken, the girl jumped on to the bed and ordered me to take them! I always tip generously whenever a girl agrees to pose for photos and whenever I mention girls in my reports, I change their name.Whether or not you make money is not the question here. My issue with you, once again, is that you decided to sell your sex trip reports with their pictures in them without asking for their permission.
Again, you're simply wrong. I'm getting the impression that you're not terribly bright. Use your brain to put it in to chronological order. We had a discussion on the Jakarta thread over a year ago and if you re-read it, you will see that I was seriously debating the ethics of posting photos back then. Since then I stopped, not because of what you said but because I felt it was the right thing to do. I haven't posted any photos since so quite where you get the idea that I shrugged off your warnings and 'went ahead' I don't know.My memory's quite good so I am not going to go back to the Jakarta thread but our discussion then was not about you posting the pics. If that was the issue, I would have mentioned this a long time ago to other posters about them posting their pics in the galleries. So, the only reason we would have had a discussion is you selling your sex journals without asking for a model release form.
What on earth you do mean 'troll the boards'? Yes I used Thommo's website, a veritable goldmine of information, but then I posted huge field reports on his site! I even wrote weekly blogs for it! Similarly I use ISG to research trips but every year I post a huge diary. Maybe you were too busy frothing at the mouth to notice that I have recently completely posting a 40, 000 word diary on the Angeles, Manila, Cebu and Other Towns threads? Where does 'trolling' come in to it? I give back plenty to this site which is surely what this forum is all about.
You on the other hand contribute nothing. You've posted 90 times in threads like Hong Kong, Malaysia, Indonesia, Vietnam, Singapore, Toronto to help plan your trips and yet only once have you posted anything that even slightly resembles a field report (a very short piece without any useful information whatsoever except 'ooo the girls were ugly'). You take, take, take but you give nothing, so don't lecture me on my use of the forum.Ahhh, thanks for remembering about Thommo. You used his site and this site and who knows what other sites to plan your trips. No worries about that. I was cheesed off when you decided to package that and sell them off. That's not really giving back is it?
As for my contributions, once again, please don't try to turn the tables around. It'd be difficult for me to ask 90+ times for how to find a place when I can easily just read it somewhere.
Edit: I was curious so I decided to go through some of my 90 posts and, while it is true that I don't post field reports (I don't have a journalist background like you do), it's far from true that I don't post anything useful. But, hey, nice try at making me look bad.
Why is it relevant that I have sent people private messages on this board. Not that I feel the need to defend myself but I have only replied to people who have sent me a PM, usually thanking me for my diaries.That's not what I heard.
And what on earth do you mean you would be afraid I would steal it? You remind me of a kid I used to argue with in the playground when I was about ten years old, who would try to bring lots of other things in to arguments as an act of desperation. I have never 'stolen' anything so please feel free to explain that one to me.Please refer to my "trolling" comment.
To be honest, I'm confused about your logic regarding exploitation. It could be argued that any of us who goes to Asia to have sex with girls is exploiting them. It could be argued that anyone who takes photos and posts them on websites are exploiting them. But in your mind it's only exploitation if the photos are used to gain money? In which case, why do you use this forum or Thommo's website? Both make money and both include lots of photos of girls.
To clarify, I use this forum to gain information to plan my trips. I then post HUGE diaries on the forum afterwards, giving a huge amount of relevant information back. I used to post photos but I don't any more. Tell me what part of that is wrong.To clarify, once again, you decided to package publicly available information along with pictures of the ladies in question into sex journals to sell online without asking the ladies' permission beforehand. Please try to focus.
although the Filipino's have a great reputation of talking about things but doing nothing.Ohhhh. A lot of people all over the world are guilty of this!
The question is how much funds are they going to allocate to this and are they going to take this seriously or is it going to be just another tool in oppressing democracy.It's all about the money, if they can make a big PR stink about it then so much the better.
Sir Lancelot
10-08-12, 01:01
My issue with you, once again, is that you decided to sell your sex trip reports with their pictures in them without asking for their permission.You're not listening to what I am saying. I thought I explained this in my last comment but I suspect you are being deliberately ignorant. For a short while I charged a small fee for my diaries which acted as a barrier, so that people couldn't stumble upon the pics. You could say that by selling the diaries I actually protected the girls, so that their friends or family couldn't see them. I did have the opportunity to sell my diaries on a public site for quite a substantial amount of money but I chose not to because it didn't seem right. Contrary to what you think, I do respect the girls.
I also have to say that your talk of model release forms is extremely naďve. I have worked in the publishing industry and model release forms are required whether the publication makes money or not. In which case, if you were to be consistent, you would criticise every single person who has posted photos on this forum. But you don't. Instead you email them asking for contact details of girls you find attractive. You are a hypocrite with inconsistent moral values. You call me out for exploiting girls and yet don't all sex tourists, yourself included? You call me out for not getting the girls to sign a model release form and yet you don't criticise anyone else who posts photos. You go purple faced with rage because you THINK I make money out of these photos and yet you freely admit to reading ISG and Thommo's website, which publish photos of girls and make money. Your morals are all over the place.
Ahhh, thanks for remembering about Thommo. You used his site and this site and who knows what other sites to plan your trips. No worries about that. I was cheesed off when you decided to package that and sell them off. That's not really giving back is it?What on earth are you talking about? What is wrong with researching extensively before I go away? Isn't that the clever thing to do? Surely that is the whole point of these forums. You do it as well. The only difference is that unlike you, I post my findings when I return.
How can you possibly say that I am not really giving anything back? I've just posted a 40, 000 word diary on the Philippines threads! On my last trip to Phils I posted a 35, 000+ word diary. I didn't make any money at all from these, I just painstakingly researched, wrote and edited these diaries to share info. For both diaries I was inundated with positive feedback and PM's saying 'thank you' and yet it's funny how one ignorant hypocrite like you can make me wonder why bother in future.
That's not what I heard.I'm not interested in your amateur super-sleuthing. It's all terribly 'playground' to me. Whether I send PM's has absolutely no releveance to your original point about the photos which just leads me to the conclusion that you are losing the plot.
I'm pretty sure that people on this thread aren't in the slightest bit interested in this debate. If you do have anything else to say, feel free to PM me and I will respond. I am happy to discuss things maturely but only if you are prepared to listen and accept what I have to say. At the moment you are just being stubborn and not listening, so we're going around in circles.
WhatsUrName
10-08-12, 01:10
Whether or not you make money is not the question here. My issue with you, once again, is that you decided to sell your sex trip reports with their pictures in them without asking for their permission.Sir Lancelot, thank you for the contribution last month regarding your extensive field report. You finished it just as I was leaving for PI, and it was a big help to me, especially the AC part. It will also be a big help for others moving forward. I've been following your posts for awhile, and you seem to be a well-mannered, intelligent contributor to the boards.
You and Danibbler obviously have some history going on the many of us don't know about, and probably don't want to know about. FWIW, I'll give my opinion on the subject of posting pictures of girls. On my recent trip, I did take some pictures of my girls to document my trip. All were fully clothed, no porn or nudity. Now some of these girls I really liked, not in a "love" type of way, but I simply clicked with some of the girls and consider them friends. I made a conscious decision to not post any pictures of these girls, even though some are cute as a button. There are some ethics involved in my decision. That was my personal decision, If others decide to post photos, I'll look at them.
I see that you have considered the ethics of publicly posting photos, and that at one point you did post them, but have since changed your mind to not post them publicly due to the ethics of it. I support that. You also seem to regret posting them in the past. That's cool. We all make mistakes and learn from them.
Danibbler, it would be great if you and SL could just drop this. It sounds a little moot since SL is no longer posting photos and not selling his diaries anymore. Thanks in advance.
Sir Lancelot
10-08-12, 01:13
If you post a picture on a sex tourism site showing the face of one of the girls, regardless whether she is naked or clothed, you are telling the world-and any of her friends or family who sees it-that she is "in the business."
I found your diary posts from your recent trip tasteful and respectful toward the women.This is exactly why I stopped posting my photos on any free sites.
Thank you for your comment. I think one of the surprising things about the mongering lifestyle in Asia is how fantasically good-humoured, open and friendly the girls are (when compared to prostitutes from the west). I think these girls are amongst the most sane, level-headed people I've met! These girls have a tough life and make big sacrifices, often for their family, so I like to treat them with the respect they deserve.
Manila weekend.
After taking a sick day I had a 4 day weekend in Ermita to hang out and relax. My home base is Japan so its less than 4 hours to Manila. My flight left at about 5pm and after being squashed by the enormously fat Japanese guy next to me the whole way AND putting up with his talking to himself constantly we approached Manila. With about an hour to go, the attendants said that some one had been caught smoking in the toilets. Can't believe someone would be that stupid. End result? Cops waiting for the flight at the ramp!
Dramatic! LOL.
Zoomed through immigration. Found the elevator to 2nd floor around to the right and went up there. Grabbed a taxi that had just pulled in. Guy didn't know LA cafe! Haha. I did though.
No way the same guy would know Duck Inn where I stayed so just walked up there. Not a bad place to stay. Quiet on the non street side of the building. Price was right.
I had arranged a meeting with a girl I found last trip. 24 and about 4 ft 11 that claimed to be bi. She is! Unknown to me she had a friend on standby. Met us after work (bar) and we had a good few rounds. I gave her friend 1800 for coming. Her attitude was great and she got really wet.
This was a budget trip for me between a Thailand excursion and my end of year fun. So I was just doing these two plus recon on other places.
MBC has the odd gem but seemed mainly to be ugly girls. Too many desperate ones. I saw one I fucked before but couldn't agree to a price so didn't go together. Ah well.
I went to Butterfly bar to catch up with the manager Aussie Greg. This place was more to my liking. Good conversation and a few FLs as well. Nearly went with one for 1000 that looked ok inside but outside in light of day was no good so I called it off.
And Amazonia was ok. Just ok this time. Being swamped is not my idea of fun. Especially by older hags. Ew! The staff there are friendly. That makes up for it in my book.
I really like Hussy bar. Went there last time in June and again this time. Some really nice girls. We found one that was new to the game. Really shy and cute. Bought her a drink and got a nice kiss when we were leaving. Pleasant with no drink pressure because I was with my girl.
Headed to the casino for a flutter. One tip I have for all: take cabs from the hyatt casino if you can. They have security and trusted cabbies that wait exclusively for jobs from there. The cunts in front of MBC ask for 100 no matter how close you are staying. If you are with a Pinay get them to tell cabbie "meter or we get out."
I went to G Point. What a great place. Good music and cute girls around too. Better than MBC in many respects. Might go back in Jan on my way out.
It was very quiet there and I wondered if it was off season. The only busy place seemed to be mall of Asia. Movie ticket was 200p. Cheap and good seats! In Japan we pay 6 times that!
Hat
Hey all. Long time member of USASG posting in ISG for the first time.
Hit up EDSA for some, of course, punani. Saw mamasan of Firehouse who has taken care of my goodfriend with many awesome suggestions previously. She immediately recognized him and walked us in, each one on her arms. This is the way to get the gurls' attention if you want them to know you are there. Heh heh. Took a seat at the far corner of the bar, bought her a drink and cut chatted with her for a bit. She recommended a couple of girls for us that were just fine in the looks and body departmentt I didn't click with mine so I asked for number 36. (found out the numbers are assigned according to arrival times. The girls that arrive early get lower numbers).
She was a firecrackerand had a body like the provider I see locally. 5ft. 90lbs. 32b's.
Here is the kicker. Talked with mama San and / with the girl. Negotiated 1650p for LT. All was good until the next morning where I would illicit the guys' opinion on here.
In the morning, as she was about to leave, she asked for her pay. WTF? She claims the bar fine is only for EWR and her services are separate. She stated that 3000p is for ST on top of the bar fine, hinting that what I now owed her would be even more. When I pressed her for an explanation she answered that EDSA bars don't share the BF with the girls, that it was the policy of an agreement with owners of EDSA bars (I thought it was a single owner of the facility) and that for 3000ST, the LT would be double that. Well, I offered her to go down to Firehouse and apologize to the MS or the misunderstanding as a way to confront her in front of the MS with this news. Damn be*h tried to pull a fast one on me. Girl's name is Jinky. Beck, even took her to eat and gave her chocolates.
The opinion I am searching for is in regards to telling MS about her. Any opinions?
V RiderThe same thing happen to me when I went to the Firehouse at EDSA. As soon as I walked in, a girl in all black bikini and about 5 feet tall, petite rubbed against my back as she passed by me and smiled. Came back later and sat next to me, we talked for awhile, until the papa San came up and quoted me 4000 peso for the girl plus lady drinks. I looked at him dead in the eye to see if he was serious! You've got to be kidding me? And I immediately left the firehouse after paying for the lady drinks totally 350 peso. No way! Am, I going to pay this kind of money afterall, I am getting less pesos to dollar exchange rate.
Cheers.
was checking airfares from orlando to manila. found a great fare $825. booked it right away on united orlando- sfo-honolulu-guam- manila route.
landed in manila at about 9 pm. i had arranged a dia chatmate to meet me at the airport. she had told me that she can take the bus from cavite and her and her cousin who happens to be a cab driver will meet me. turned out they were nowhere to be seen. went to a cute girl selling load for smart and loaded my phone. the cute girl was asking me personal questions like where i come from, if i am alone etc. should have asked for her phone number but was tired after a long flight. anyway turned out my girl and the cabbie was waiting in the wrong terminal. after about 20 minute wait they picked me up and got us to the hotel.
the girl is quite pretty with a nice body. but the problem was she had hint of a smelly pussy. did not notice it after a few rounds of sex. girl was very accomodating and simple girl. she is 19 year old with a 2 year old boy. kept her for two nights. gave her some money and was appreciative. since she did not have a job could be freelance sex worker part time. if it is this explains the smell.
i had chatted with a 22 year old to be with me next. this one is thin as a rail but can pass as a model. small boobs. zero smelly pussy this one which i am used to with all of my dia girls. great sex. she is a trainee massage therapist presently working as a receptionist. after sex she would give me nice one hour massage. she told me she is like a energiser bunny and never gets tired. definitely has plenty of stamina. we went to the malls, movie and a disco. dresses up well and with her model looks turned quite a few heads. kept her for two nights and once again no demands and appreciated my money gift. definitely the one to be repeated.
off to cebu on my planned manila. cebu. ac. manila. back route. next report in cebu section.
Soapy Smith
10-12-12, 07:14
Was checking airfares from Orlando to Manila. Found a great fare $825. Booked it right away on united Orlando- Sfo-Honolulu-Guam- Manila route.
Landed in Manila at about 9 PM.I agree it's a great price. Just curious, how long does this Orlando to Manila flight take? Seems like a lot of stops, but it's not unlike flights on the old Northwest routes through Detroit. This seems to be one of the best times of the year for airfares, and the Phils weather is starting to get a little more mild.
I agree it's a great price. Just curious, how long does this Orlando to Manila flight take? Seems like a lot of stops, but it's not unlike flights on the old Northwest routes through Detroit. This seems to be one of the best times of the year for airfares, and the Phils weather is starting to get a little more mild.I'm thinking about 22 hours in the air? Not sure layover times as well. I'd go bonkers flying half way around the world LOL
I agree it's a great price. Just curious, how long does this Orlando to Manila flight take? Seems like a lot of stops, but it's not unlike flights on the old Northwest routes through Detroit. This seems to be one of the best times of the year for airfares, and the Phils weather is starting to get a little more mild.Mco to sfo five and half hours. Sfo to honolulu for and half. Hnl to guam seven hours. Guam to manila three and half. So total flying hours was twenty.
Total time it took timewise is twenty four hours.
Soapy Smith
10-13-12, 04:44
Mco to sfo five and half hours. Sfo to honolulu for and half. Hnl to guam seven hours. Guam to manila three and half. So total flying hours was twenty.
Total time it took timewise is twenty four hours.Total time is better than if you'd gone Delta through Atlanta, which flies nonstop to Japan or with Korean nonstop Atlanta to Incheon. I assume the three legs from SFO to MNL were continuation legs of one flight. Otherwise four hours for three connections is very snug; no room for a late flight.
Sorry, one more question: what kind of plane for the ocean flights?
Sorry, one more question: what kind of plane for the ocean flights?Depends on airline but anyhow the planes can be 767 and 777.
Total time is better than if you'd gone Delta through Atlanta, which flies nonstop to Japan or with Korean nonstop Atlanta to Incheon. I assume the three legs from SFO to MNL were continuation legs of one flight. Otherwise four hours for three connections is very snug; no room for a late flight.
Sorry, one more question: what kind of plane for the ocean flights?The UAL flights are not continuations, they are different flights. This is the way UAL connects with the former CAL Micronesia system. It is either a 767 or 777 to HNL and the rest of the legs are on a B737NG. UAL had a small hub out of Guam, that they use to connect the So. Pac islands.
The reason the ticket was soooo cheap was they are finding a way to fill otherwise empty seats with passengers that are otherwise not so fussy about schedules. Of course it also helps build miles!
The Delta service is 747 or A-330 using Narita as a Asian hub.
Total time is better than if you'd gone Delta through Atlanta, which flies nonstop to Japan or with Korean nonstop Atlanta to Incheon. I assume the three legs from SFO to MNL were continuation legs of one flight. Otherwise four hours for three connections is very snug; no room for a late flight.
Sorry, one more question: what kind of plane for the ocean flights?With just one delay though, your entire schedule could get thrown off. One of the downsides to long flights with many layovers.
Good luck though,
YG
Sammon, I would be happy paying $825 for just the SFO to MNL legs. I searched all the big sites and United direct and could not find anything near that cheap.
Any advice on how to find the low price?
WestCoast1
10-13-12, 15:51
Sammon, I would be happy paying $825 for just the SFO to MNL legs. I searched all the big sites and United direct and could not find anything near that cheap.
Any advice on how to find the low price?A thought. Try kayak. Com, and enter your travel dates and to / from city, and check the price. Usually, in the upper-right corner of the page, they display a monthly calendar. Each day of the calendar has a price, the lowest price for a round-trip departing that day. You will see one or two prices that are ridiculously low. If you click on the price, it brings up that flight information. If you want that flight, you will have to fly on the departure and return days specified (you don't get to specify the days, the flights are already arranged for you). If you are willing to fly on their schedule, you get a cheap flight. It rarely works out that you can fly on their schedule (the outbound or return leg will be outside of your vacation window) , but if you are available at those days, and don't mind the (possible) 16 connecting flights, you get a dirt-cheap fare. The airlines simply program their computers to locate the seats on certain flights that rarely sell, then discount them heavily, and put the flights together to get you to / from your destination. Its like F Gump's box of chocolates: you never know what you're going to get until you click on the price and see the details of the flights.
Member #4643
10-13-12, 21:44
I have managed to set aside four working days to go to Manila. As I arrive on Friday night and leave Tuesday morning, I have at least two full days and 4 nights free.
I have been to Manila once before and remember the fantastic bars in Makati. On that trip, I had lined up a DIA girl from the provinces, who proved to be great looking but mediocre in bed. So, when I got bored, I would put on my running suit and jog to a local massage place where I would get a 10 minute massage and a much longer blow job for 1000 pesos. This was, in my view, a nice way to mix P4P with "non-pro".
I have at least 5 girls from DIA and pinalove who are willing (so they say) to meet me in my hotel and spend the night. I will rotate them into my schedule (I assume 2 of the 5 won't show up). I would like to have the option of leaving the girl from time to time and either get a nice BBBJ or fuck a girl in a bar. But, do any of the bars in Manila have rooms? I have been through the forum and cannot find any.
To the experienced members of the forum: where would you stay if this were a high priority on your list. Makati City? And other area of city? Many thanks!
WestCoast1
10-14-12, 01:19
SNIP.
But, do any of the bars in Manila have rooms? I have been through the forum and cannot find any.
To the experienced members of the forum: where would you stay if this were a high priority on your list. Makati City? And other area of city? Many thanks!Malate, Amazonia bar / hotel. Pool, live band, and girls downstairs. You can rent a room upstairs. One block from MBC.
I have managed to set aside four working days to go to Manila. As I arrive on Friday night and leave Tuesday morning, I have at least two full days and 4 nights free.
I have been to Manila once before and remember the fantastic bars in Makati. On that trip, I had lined up a DIA girl from the provinces, who proved to be great looking but mediocre in bed. So, when I got bored, I would put on my running suit and jog to a local massage place where I would get a 10 minute massage and a much longer blow job for 1000 pesos. This was, in my view, a nice way to mix P4P with "non-pro".
I have at least 5 girls from DIA and pinalove who are willing (so they say) to meet me in my hotel and spend the night. I will rotate them into my schedule (I assume 2 of the 5 won't show up). I would like to have the option of leaving the girl from time to time and either get a nice BBBJ or fuck a girl in a bar. But, do any of the bars in Manila have rooms? I have been through the forum and cannot find any.
To the experienced members of the forum: where would you stay if this were a high priority on your list. Makati City? And other area of city? Many thanks!I haven't seen short-time rooms in a bar. There are some bars in Burgos that have curtained cubicles.
The logistics of this is feasible. I assume you know Manila's three main areas (for foreigners) : Burgos St & Havana Cafe (Makati) , EDSA Complex (Pasay) , and MBC (Ermita). MBC does not have rooms, however there are many hotsheet hotels in the area, such as Sogo and well as tourist class ones. Google Ermita hotels and cross reference with MBC in google maps to determine distance. No barfine to pay and a short time will run 1500 pesos (negotiable). At EDSA Complex again there are no short-time rooms, but there is the Heritage Hotel (expensive) across the street. One block away is the much cheaper Royal Blue Marlin Hotel at corner of F. B. Harrison and Cuneta. Also in Pasay are "garages" aka "drive-in" motels. I've been to a couple and they are similar to Japan's love hotels with mirrors, etc. I had the girl tell the taxi driver to take us to one and he found one quickly. In Burgos I don't know of any bars w / rooms, but I recall some (Dimples?) have curtained cubicles. You have your largest number of bars in Burgos and free lancers about 10 minutes away at Havana (Greenbelt 3). Moreover, there are many massage places in Burgos. Burgos is your most expensive barfine. There's a great number of hotels in the immediate vicinity, but your best bargain at 1350p is the Clipper Hotel at corner of Burgos and Kalayaan.
If you don't want to pay barfines stay in Ermita; you and your DIA girl at a hotel and use Sogo or the like for MBC pickups. If money is no concern stay in the Burgos or Greenbelt shopping area. Lastly, since these DIA girls are strangers make sure your hotel has a safe. Some are large enough for a 15" laptop if you bring one, but you'll want to email the hotel to confirm. I've had girls steal clothing, so keep that in mind. Minimize the temptations.
Happy hunting.
I have managed to set aside four working days to go to Manila. As I arrive on Friday night and leave Tuesday morning, I have at least two full days and 4 nights free.
I have been to Manila once before and remember the fantastic bars in Makati. On that trip, I had lined up a DIA girl from the provinces, who proved to be great looking but mediocre in bed. So, when I got bored, I would put on my running suit and jog to a local massage place where I would get a 10 minute massage and a much longer blow job for 1000 pesos. This was, in my view, a nice way to mix P4P with "non-pro".
I have at least 5 girls from DIA and pinalove who are willing (so they say) to meet me in my hotel and spend the night. I will rotate them into my schedule (I assume 2 of the 5 won't show up). I would like to have the option of leaving the girl from time to time and either get a nice BBBJ or fuck a girl in a bar. But, do any of the bars in Manila have rooms? I have been through the forum and cannot find any.
To the experienced members of the forum: where would you stay if this were a high priority on your list. Makati City? And other area of city? Many thanks!You can always BARFINE then go to a short time hotel near burgos. Barfine from Rogues, pay ST for the girl plus ST hotel (few walking distance from Rogues) should set you back around 3500p or less.
I am planning on arriving in Manila on the 20th of Oct around 9:30 Pm. What Taxi service would you recommend for me to take from the Airport to a good reasonable Hotel not too far from the Domestic Airport. I am looking for a good hotel possible for a coulpe of night then I am flying out to Mindanano. A safe and reasonable price hotel. Allso anyone want to hang out with me please send me a message ok.
Thanks
Soapy Smith
10-15-12, 09:33
The Delta service is 747 or A-330 using Narita as a Asian hub.For flights originating from Detroit or the west coast to Japan, and from Narita or Nagoya to Manila. 747s or A-330s are fine, but I think only the 777 has sufficient range for the nonstop from Atlanta to Narita.
Sammon, I would be happy paying $825 for just the SFO to MNL legs. I searched all the big sites and United direct and could not find anything near that cheap.
Any advice on how to find the low price?None of the travel sites offer these low fares.
What I did was united. Com and check every day by putting flexible dates. Let us say I was leaving in October ad I put October 5 and check 21 days a table comes up showing fares. If it is high I redo it saying 20 days. I check like this every day.
Most important is you need to be ready to go on those dates with cheap prices.
If you put exact dates you will not get these rates. Just to let you know one time I got $550 rate on united. Com orlando-washington dulles- narita- manila. But when I tried to book it did not take instead website gave a phone
Number to call. I called that number but the lady was not helpfull. Last time I made the trip I g.
Ot a very good price and when I called the same way lady was helpfull and booked it. At that time she said because of narita. Manila trip is by ANA there is a problem booking on website.
So this time when I saw low price and all flights were on united I had no problem booking
[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1337559]For flights originating from Detroit or the west coast to Japan, and from Narita or Nagoya to Manila. 747s or A-330s are fine, but I think only the 777 has sufficient range for the nonstop from Atlanta to Narita. [/QU.
Not that is really matters, but the 747-400 has plenty of range for ATL-NRT. ORD-HKG is a much longer flight and a. 400 is used on it everyday. Of course there might be some factors on a specific day, but I know that the 747 is used out of ATL. Also DL has service from MSP to Asia as well, and they use the A-330 / B-747 / B-777.
GuyLuvsParty
10-15-12, 17:11
Another fare strategy is taking a major airline to one of the waypoints and then finding a low cost carrier airport that has flights to your final destination.
You can save some major currency with this flight trip, there is a downside to this with risk that either carrier at the connection airports is delayed causing a missed flight on the other carrier, checked-in baggage transfer / missing / delayed since there is different multiple carriers involved that has no relationship to each other.
There is an upside to this fare strategy, definitely recommend purchasing travel insurance if you chose this journey.
Here is an excellent flight Itinerary planner;
Matrix Airfare Search
http://matrix.itasoftware.com/
Econo Tech
10-16-12, 07:17
Another fare strategy is taking a major airline to one of the waypoints and then finding a low cost carrier airport that has flights to your final destination.
You can save some major currency with this flight trip, there is a downside to this with risk that either carrier at the connection airports is delayed causing a missed flight on the other carrier, checked-in baggage transfer / missing / delayed since there is different multiple carriers involved that has no relationship to each other.
There is an upside to this fare strategy, definitely recommend purchasing travel insurance if you chose this journey.
Here is an excellent flight Itinerary planner;
Matrix Airfare Search.
http://matrix.itasoftware.com/A few Legacy carriers do interline with LCCs now. You can check if your agency has authorisation.
Soapy Smith
10-16-12, 16:20
[QUOTE=Skip Kost; 1337559]Not that is really matters, but the 747-400 has plenty of range for ATL-NRT. ORD-HKG is a much longer flight and a. 400 is used on it everyday.Boeing's charts say the 747-400 has a range of about 14, 300 km. So a 747-400 going from ORD to Hong Kong has about 1800 km to spare. Also, I've noticed the big planes have some compartments through the galley or bathroom areas either up or down, presumably for crew members to sleep between shifts on long flights. So hopefully they have a few extra jerry cans of fuel stowed away in there that the crew can pour into the tank in the event of strong headwinds. They're pretty good at sneaking them on before the flight so passengers don't see them.
Back to serious. I confess I dread seeing a 747 parked at my departure gate for transoceanic fllights. Seats on the 777s and A330s just seem to have more leg room, and all the 747s I've ridden have crackly old sound and movie systems, projected onto a single big screen at the front of the compartment. And there's always that same oblivious Asian man who insists on standing up to stretch for hours at a time, thus blocking the view of the screen. Boeing may have figured out how to install individual seat-back screens in some 747s, but I have not had the good fortune to fly in those planes.
[QUOTE=Sky Ryder; 1337664]Seats on the 777s and A330s just seem to have more leg room, and all the 747s I've ridden have crackly old sound and movie systems, projected onto a single big screen at the front of the compartment. And there's always that same oblivious Asian man who insists on standing up to stretch for hours at a time, thus blocking the view of the screen. Boeing may have figured out how to install individual seat-back screens in some 747s, but I have not had the good fortune to fly in those planes.I can assure you that Boeing can / will install seat back videos on a 747, but finding an airline who is willing to pay the price to "upgrade" the interior is a very different thing. I am not sure when the last passenger 747-400 was delivered, but it has been a while. The last ones off the line were all cargo planes. There are a few of the new 747-800 out there, but to be honest I think they are freighters as well. I may be wrong about this, but I know that no US carriers are operating them.
Both the 777 and A330 have a bigger seat pitch (distance to the seat in front of you) than the older airplanes, plus the width of the seats and arrangement is different in a good way. The one thing I really dislike about the new seats, is they are using a different material in the seat bottom (read lighter) and I don't think it is as good a cushion as the older ones. IMHO.
The newer airplanes had a digital entertainment system, while the older ones are still using tapes in multiple decks.
Funny you should mention the "extra fuel", but some models of the 747-400 have fuel tank in the horizontal stabilizer (the tail) that would increase range, and you are correct that there are "extra" crew on board, at least in the cockpit. The airplane only requires 2 pilots, but the long haul flights have 3 or 4 depending on flight time. The cabin staff go on breaks after the service is done, then everyone is back up for the last meal service. The cabin staff rest area is either above the cabin (Boeing) or in a special container in the cargo area that is accessible from the cabin (on the Airbus). The pilots rest area is in the rear of the cockpit or above the cabin in the front of the plane, depending on the type.
I hope that this conversation hasn't thrown off anybody's questions / answers from what really matter. Where is the pussy and how can I easily access it.
Delta was suppose to have all their 747 redone by the end of this year. Other airlines I can't tell you about. Will find out shortly if they are telling the truth. Otherwise consider it a trip to the past in interior decorations.
GuyLuvsParty
10-16-12, 19:40
US airlines pretty much has control of the cabin configuration from seat equipment to pitch, legroom, number of seats in each cabin class, etc. And entertainment systems subject to FAA approval. Boeing can do the cabin configuration upgrades and perform excellent work, it's like taking your vehicle to the dealer along with the higher cost, most do them in house or use an overseas FBO since it's more cost effective.
Most airlines operating the B747 equipment elect to spend very little money on passenger cabin up-grades on this older type of equipment due to future retirement plans. B747 is not very fuel / cost efficient flying passengers because they are high maintenance LOL, B747 is better suited to flying cargo / freight because they don't complain (Cargo has much better revenue per pound then passengers). When you see aircraft still with the aisle overhead video screens, it feels like you went back in time but your age stayed the same. LOL
Posting a late report on my 2-day stay in Manila before heading to Angeles City.
Stayed at the Boulevard Mansion, which was okay, almost directly across the street from the US Embassy. Get a corner suite if you plan on staying. Nice Kitchen, decent sized fridge but wifi is best the closer you get to the elevators. Maybe the access point is in there? I had my best reception sitting next to my room door, but then again I was using my phone's wifi and not a computer.
Arrived to a 300php cab ride to the hotel from Aquino airport after hitting up a green cab, then a yellow cab. Avoid the freelancers illegally trying to get your business right outside of customs for twice the price. I was beat from the long flight so decided 300php was just fine. I know I could have spent more time finding a cheaper ride but was anxious to get settled in and start the fun. The security box for Boulevard Mansion is behind the front desk. You place your valuable into a make-shift safety deposit box so the employees can't really see what you are putting in. I placed my stuff in a pouch prior to doing this as an added measure. Not too bad. Drop off the key as you are leaving and retrieve it when you return. Headed to EDSA complex after a s, s and s. Ar 200php 15 minute cab ride which was ok by me.
EDSA complex if full of good looking, young women. They seem like they are in a big city on my reflection after. Saw a mamasan my friend knows from 5years ago. Whisked us into Firehouse after 10 minutes of catching up. The other bars there sure had some pretty door girls that I wanted to sample. Ahh, save some for later.
After being seated at the bar MS said she had some recommendations for my friend and I and that we wouldn't be disappointed. She called over to 19yr olds. Gorgeous girls, fun to talk to which my friend bar fined his within 10 minutes. Oh no, I thought. Too soo because I didn't really get a rockin vibe from the girl I was recommended. As I looked to the stage, I saw one girl smiling at me constantly. She was cute with the body type I like so I decided to chuck the one MS recommended and call the other girl down. We hit it off right away, laughing, grabbing, talking dirty the whole time. Ok. I think I got my first on for the trip. I decided to bar fine her (1850php) and head out. We had not eaten so we decided to take the girls for dinner. Our mistake was asking the girls where they wanted to eat.
They took us to a seafood restaurant where you pick your live food and they cook it to order. 1 crab. 2 orders of prawns. 1 medium sized lapulapu cost us 6000php. Sheez. The night was about to get more expensive.
My girl was rockin in the bed. She was game for anything except anal, which was fine by me. I was ready to rock and she was also. We went at it 4 or 5 times that night, waking to a nice BBBJ that finished in some spirited K9. One thing I noticed on this trip was that most girls don't like to bang for a long time. 30-45 minutes sessions are good for them. THen they want to rest for a little while before going again.
As she was leaving she asked me for her pay. I gave her what I thought was a generous 1000php tip but she looked at it and said "No, my pay. Not tip"."ST is 3000php, LT is more than that". WTF, I thought? Was I wrong or was she trying for more? Later, thanks to the info from members here, I found out I was wrong. My mistake was never confirming with MS about the total price for all night. I was not prepared for Manila. I was thinking Angeles procedures. Oh boy, did I learn from that first night. The whole night ended costing us more than 10, 0000php. I could have stayed home and gone to an AMP for that.
We then decided to cut our stay short in Manila and head to Angeles. This turned out to be our best decision the whole trip. I'm done with Manila. Until.
We had one night left as our arrangements for a car was the next day. So we hit MBC to have a few drinks and kill the time. MBC is a freelancers are with the atmosphere of a sex nightclub. It was crowded and the girls plastic and businesslike. We stayed for an hour and decided to leave. We were hungry so we hailed a cab to take us to someplace to eat. As we were inquiring with the driver as to where is good, I asked him if he knew of "La Casa"."Oh sure" he replied and off we went."La Casa" are local *****houses that are very well hidden. It turned out that he had heard about them and kind of knew where they are but wasn't exactly sure. Well, he turned out to be the diamond in the rough as he went person to person trying to find "La Casa" for us. We finally met an owner of 4 Casa. The first turned out to be a pass. 30+ women that I know had kids. The 2nd was a bit better as well as the 3rd. So we decided to hit the 4th. The 4th turned out to be almost as good as EDSA! 18-30yr olds, more slender, prettier, smiling, joking. Best part was the price! The owner tried to give us the "tourist" price but our cab driver went to bat for us and got us a 800php price for all night. Needless to say,"La Casa" redeemed Manila as a place to monger for me! Oh, and the girls were hungry to serve! Totally different from EDSA.
I must say, finding our cab driver who stuck up for us when too many irrelevant questions were asked, went to bat for us with the pricing and just kept us safe was the best thing that happened. We eventually bought him dinner and some foods to take home to his family. He is not happy about doing this but he also understands business is business and is willing to do it.
If you want this guy's number, hit me up. He is now in good with several owners of La Casas. He is sort of the "underground driver" for Las Casa's now. He can hook you up.
Rest of the trip will be continued in Angeles City.
Can you PM with LA Casa details! Thanks!
Posting a late report on my 2-day stay in Manila before heading to Angeles City.
Stayed at the Boulevard Mansion, which was okay, almost directly across the street from the US Embassy. Get a corner suite if you plan on staying. Nice Kitchen, decent sized fridge but wifi is best the closer you get to the elevators. Maybe the access point is in there? I had my best reception...
Chris Long
10-18-12, 00:06
Posting a late report on my 2-day stay in Manila before heading to Angeles City.
Stayed at the Boulevard Mansion, which was okay, almost directly across the street from the US Embassy. Get a corner suite if you plan on staying. Nice Kitchen, decent sized fridge but wifi is best the closer you get to the elevators. Maybe the access point is in there? I had my best reception sitting next to my room door, but then again I was using my phone's wifi and not a computer.
Arrived to a 300php cab ride to the hotel from Aquino airport after hitting up a green cab, then a yellow cab. Avoid the freelancers illegally trying to get your business right outside of customs for twice the price. I was beat from the long flight so decided 300php was just fine. I know I could have spent more time finding a cheaper ride but was anxious to get settled in and start the fun. The security box for Boulevard Mansion is behind the front desk. You place your valuable into a make-shift safety deposit box so the employees can't really see what you are putting in. I placed my stuff in a pouch prior to doing this as an added measure. Not too bad. Drop off the key as you are leaving and retrieve it when you return. Headed to EDSA complex after a s, s and s. Ar 200php 15 minute cab ride which was ok by me.
EDSA complex if full of good looking, young women. They seem like they are in a big city on my reflection after. Saw a mamasan my friend knows from 5years ago. Whisked us into Firehouse after 10 minutes of catching up. The other bars there sure had some pretty door girls that I wanted to sample. Ahh, save some for later.
After being seated at the bar MS said she had some recommendations for my friend and I and that we wouldn't be disappointed. She called over to 19yr olds. Gorgeous girls, fun to talk to which my friend bar fined his within 10 minutes. Oh no, I thought. Too soo because I didn't really get a rockin vibe from the girl I was recommended. As I looked to the stage, I saw one girl smiling at me constantly. She was cute with the body type I like so I decided to chuck the one MS recommended and call the other girl down. We hit it off right away, laughing, grabbing, talking dirty the whole time. Ok. I think I got my first on for the trip. I decided to bar fine her (1850php) and head out. We had not eaten so we decided to take the girls for dinner. Our mistake was asking the girls where they wanted to eat.
They took us to a seafood restaurant where you pick your live food and they cook it to order. 1 crab. 2 orders of prawns. 1 medium sized lapulapu cost us 6000php. Sheez. The night was about to get more expensive.
My girl was rockin in the bed. She was game for anything except anal, which was fine by me. I was ready to rock and she was also. We went at it 4 or 5 times that night, waking to a nice BBBJ that finished in some spirited K9. One thing I noticed on this trip was that most girls don't like to bang for a long time. 30-45 minutes sessions are good for them. THen they want to rest for a little while before going again.
As she was leaving she asked me for her pay. I gave her what I thought was a generous 1000php tip but she looked at it and said "No, my pay. Not tip"."ST is 3000php, LT is more than that". WTF, I thought? Was I wrong or was she trying for more? Later, thanks to the info from members here, I found out I was wrong. My mistake was never confirming with MS about the total price for all night. I was not prepared for Manila. I was thinking Angeles procedures. Oh boy, did I learn from that first night. The whole night ended costing us more than 10, 0000php. I could have stayed home and gone to an AMP for that.
We then decided to cut our stay short in Manila and head to Angeles. This turned out to be our best decision the whole trip. I'm done with Manila. Until.
We had one night left as our arrangements for a car was the next day. So we hit MBC to have a few drinks and kill the time. MBC is a freelancers are with the atmosphere of a sex nightclub. It was crowded and the girls plastic and businesslike. We stayed for an hour and decided to leave. We were hungry so we hailed a cab to take us to someplace to eat. As we were inquiring with the driver as to where is good, I asked him if he knew of "La Casa"."Oh sure" he replied and off we went."La Casa" are local *houses that are very well hidden. It turned out that he had heard about them and kind of knew where they are but wasn't exactly sure. Well, he turned out to be the diamond in the rough as he went person to person trying to find "La Casa" for us. We finally met an owner of 4 Casa. The first turned out to be a pass. 30+ women that I know had kids. The 2nd was a bit better as well as the 3rd. So we decided to hit the 4th. The 4th turned out to be almost as good as EDSA! 18-30yr olds, more slender, prettier, smiling, joking. Best part was the price! The owner tried to give us the "tourist" price but our cab driver went to bat for us and got us a 800php price for all night. Needless to say,"La Casa" redeemed Manila as a place to monger for me! Oh, and the girls were hungry to serve! Totally different from EDSA.
I must say, finding our cab driver who stuck up for us when too many irrelevant questions were asked, went to bat for us with the pricing and just kept us safe was the best thing that happened. We eventually bought him dinner and some foods to take home to his family. He is not happy about doing this but he also understands business is business and is willing to do it.
If you want this guy's number, hit me up. He is now in good with several owners of La Casas. He is sort of the "underground driver" for Las Casa's now. He can hook you up.
Rest of the trip will be continued in Angeles City.Hey V Rider I was not able to PM you can you post the drivers info here for us I will be in Manila in January and La Casas seem like the way to go in Manila.
Thanks.
Chris
If you want this guy's number, hit me up. He is now in good with several owners of La Casas. He is sort of the "underground driver" for Las Casa's now. He can hook you up.
Rest of the trip will be continued in Angeles City.Nice report V. Message me his info on USG if you can. That first night must of really sucked huh? Sounds like you guys spent almost 10,000 peso's each or more? LOL
Hey V Rider I was not able to PM you can you post the drivers info here for us I will be in Manila in January and La Casas seem like the way to go in Manila.Not a good idea to post info like that on the open board.
Not only mongers read these boards. This guy could lose his reputation and livelihood if you posted that info.
Excellent report Chris. Never been to a casa in Philippines but Christmas vacation is coming soon.
Tally Wacker
10-18-12, 04:16
Not a good idea to post info like that on the open board.
Not only mongers read these boards. This guy could lose his reputation and livelihood if you posted that info.Good point RK!
LukeSkywalker
10-18-12, 05:43
The casas have some very good-looking young girls. Just have to find a cab driver to take you there.
However, with the current exchange $US = 40 Php, that 's only $20 for all night. That looks way to low for casa girls.
Most reports indicated that, MBC girls, even the old, ugly ones, want about 1500. 2000 Php for ST. The casas want 3000- 4000 Php plus tips for all night.
Please confirm the figures.
Posting a late report on my 2-day stay in Manila before heading to Angeles City.
The 4th turned out to be almost as good as EDSA! 18-30yr olds, more slender, prettier, smiling, joking. Best part was the price! The owner tried to give us the "tourist" price but our cab driver went to bat for us and got us a 800php price for all night. Needless to say,"La Casa" redeemed Manila as a place to monger for me! Oh, and the girls were hungry to serve! Totally different from EDSA.
I must say, finding our cab driver who stuck up for us when too many irrelevant questions were asked, went to bat for us with the pricing and just kept us safe was the best thing that happened. We eventually bought him dinner and some foods to take home to his family. He is not happy about doing this but he also understands business is business and is willing to do it.
If you want this guy's number, hit me up. He is now in good with several owners of La Casas. He is sort of the "underground driver" for Las Casa's now. He can hook you up.
Rest of the trip will be continued in Angeles City.
Can you pay your 19. 95 so can Pm you. Would be interested in phone number, but not on the open board.
I am planning on arriving in Manila on the 20th of Oct around 9:30 Pm. What Taxi service would you recommend for me to take from the Airport to a good reasonable Hotel not too far from the Domestic Airport. I am looking for a good hotel possible for a coulpe of night then I am flying out to Mindanano. A safe and reasonable price hotel. Allso anyone want to hang out with me please send me a message ok.
ThanksAssuming that you are arriving at terminal 1. After luggage pickup and customs walk across the arrival hall, walk through the exit doors and then immidiately turn straight left.
Less than 50 meters from the exit you will find a small booth marked "metered taxis". They will ask you where you want to go, and a service guard will hand you a small slip on which he will write the license number of the taxi you get. On the slip is also printed information about what to do and where to call if you have any problems or complaints after the ride. In which case the license number is useful information. However this is only for precaution. I have never experienced any trouble at all with taxis from this booth.
The driver will without hesitation turn on the meter, so no discussion or hassle about the price. During the ride he will probably offer you his card and tell you to call him during your stay. Especially if you "don't have a girlfriend and want to meet nice filipinas".
Give the driver a small tip upon arrival at your destination. I suggest 10 % of the meter price.
I can recommend Pearl Lane Hotel in Ermita. Walking distance to MBC and Robinson's Mall.
Official adress is 1700 M. Orosa St, Corner Gen. Malvar St. The taxi fare would be around 400 PHP.
They have super friendly staff and reasonable prices.
Have a nice stay there. I hope you get this answer before your departure.
V Rider,
This is the most interesting info to hit the Manila thread in ages. You make mention of a tourist rate versus the local. How much was the tourist rate as we are not going to receive the local, you the being the exception, and deservedly so?
You went from one extreme to the other, price wise, that's for sure.
Wow!
Did I read that right? Paying working girls 2500 for ST? PLUS a barfine? To each his own, but this is alcohol talking? AC girls go for 1300 (no tip needed, she only gets half that for her salary, the bar keeps half). FL girls from LA Cafe and other places in Malate a few months ago were LT with me for 1500 (tip = p100 taxi) and were plenty GFE. Listen, the girls will tell you all kinds of lies about how much you should pay them. Both before and after. If you are (not so smart) to ask her how much she wants before leaving the bar, she will quote high prices. Don't do that. Tell them how much you are offereing FIRST. Just say an amount you don't want to go over. She's already getting p1000 from the EDSA barfine. She's willing to work LT for 2000 total. If the barfine is 1600, offer her p400 tip. If she balks or says higher, smile and walk away over to another girl or to LA Cafe. Once inside LAC, offer p1500 LT. Of course she'll balk at that. Don't go over 2000 pesos to get a LT in Manila.
If girls in AC are willing to work LT for p650 and girls in LA Cafe are p1500, why would you shell out p3-4000 for EDSA or Burgos? You are driving the prices up for the rest of us.Does anyone know the current rates for Burgos Street? 1600BF and 2500tip for LT? I'll be hitting up Manilla soon and was curious.
YG
Had been chatting with quite a few girls when I was in AC and finally narrowed down to 6 promising young girls.
Took fly the bus- in fact they fit us in two vans because they did not have enough people for the bus. Drive was non-stop and made better time than bus.
Got settled in the hotel and had to quickly go meet first girl. She came to Robinson, Malate. Chinese looking girl. Her father is Chinese origin, very fair, thin body with great small pointy tits. She had a job in the bank but the manager was asking her to be his mistress. She could not take it and resigned she said. This girl is a bible thumper. Even texting me bible messages. I put a stop to it saying I am not religious and she is wasting time. However her religious committment did not hold her back in the sex department. Great, pleasant girl, great sex. Probably had more than 10 times in a 24 hour period. I had four nights in Manila and was thinking to keep this girl but decided against it because I had others waitingNext day after lunch she left. Kept refusing money but I had to force her saying it is just a gift not money for sex. She kept on calling and texting me in spite of me telling her I am leaving Phi.
After she left contacted other girls. Girl no. 2 wanted 2000 pesos per night and she was insistent on only two pops per night. Said goodbye but this one also started calling and texting all the time.
Girl no. 3 lives in cavite and wanted load to text. After sending load she wanted 1000 pesos for milk for her baby. And she wanted me to go to Cavite to pick her up. Gave up on this one.
Girl no. 4 lives in Taguig and said she will meet me and stay with me. Had a job as waitress in a Chinese restaurent but once again the boss was sexually harrassing her and she quit her job. Decided to meet her. She wanted me to go to taguig but I said for her to come to Mall of asia. She said she is from Leyte and came to Manila for work and staying with her friends family. She said she does not know much about Manila. Anyway her and her friend met me at Mall of asia and I took them for dinner. After dinner this girl said she will stay with me and her friend 18 year old cutie went back home. Nice beautifull girl with nice boobs. She asked me if she can stay with me for 3 nights. I said yes. Good sex many times and next afternoon she said she has to go home and will be back in the evening. In the evening she texted me saying her friends father who is very strict did not want her going out.
Anyway alone again texted girl no. 5. Turned out she lives in Malate with her baby. Came to my hotel and was not really pleased with her. Very in experienced in sex and too shy. However I got my pops in and she left in the morning after breakfast. Texted girl no. 6. She was ready to come.
But all of a sudden I get a text from girl no. 4 saying her and her friend wants to come and stay with me. I was really surprised. Once again met them at Mall of asia and brought them to the room. In the room my girl said her friend wants to have sex with me also. We all had a great time together. Only problem was while I was having sex with one other would hide in the bathroom. However much I tried to have them together in bed did not go well. Had a great time sandwitched between them and got to pop each one while other was sleeping. My girl said her friends father is very strict and they sneaked out of home when he went to work. Previous day he was home all day and she could not go out. Her friends mother was calling and texting her daughter all evening, night and morning so much so the girl turned her phone off. My girl told her friends mother that they are staying at a friends house.
Girl no. 6 was calling and texting me also which I ignored. Really wanted to see her because she looked great in her pic.
These two girls stayed with me till 7 pm. We went to movies, shopping mall, restaurents etc and had a great time. No demands for money and gladly accepted without counting what I gave them.
My flight left at 11 PM and back in USA now undergoing PPD (Post Philippine Depression)
Overall in this trip I had a great time with loving DIA girls. Three barfines in AC do not compare with any one of them. All the DIA girls I had are nice, loving and go to extra lengths to please me. Ofcourse all are clean pleasant pussies except the first one who had a smell. I gave her some extra money to buy antibiotics. For some time now I have been avoiding bargirls and AC but every once a while need to see how AC is doing.
WestCoast1
10-19-12, 15:40
Does anyone know the current rates for Burgos Street? 1600BF and 2500tip for LT? I'll be hitting up Manilla soon and was curious.
YGWow! I don't know the current prices, buy you quoted me from June of 2010, way back from page 293 in the Manila thread. Nobody will accuse you of not RTTF!
Wow! I don't know the current prices, buy you quoted me from June of 2010, way back from page 293 in the Manila thread. Nobody will accuse you of not RTTF!LOL I actually do RTTF. It's pretty easy with the search thing and all.
Undakovabrotha
10-19-12, 19:31
Had been chatting with quite a few girls when I was in AC and finally narrowed down to 6 promising young girls.
Took fly the bus- in fact they fit us in two vans because they did not have enough people for the bus. Drive was non-stop and made better time than bus.
Got settled in the hotel and had to quickly go meet first girl. She came to Robinson, Malate. Chinese looking girl. Her father is Chinese origin, very fair, thin body with great small pointy tits. She had a job in the bank but the manager was asking her to be his mistress. She could not take it and resigned she said. This girl is a bible thumper. Even texting me bible messages. I put a stop to it saying I am not religious and she is wasting time. However her religious committment did not hold her back in the sex department. Great, pleasant girl, great sex. Probably had more than 10 times in a 24 hour period. I had four nights in Manila and was thinking to keep this girl but decided against it because I had others waitingNext day after lunch she left. Kept refusing money but I had to force her saying it is just a gift not money for sex. She kept on calling and texting me in spite of me telling her I am leaving Phi.
After she left contacted other girls. Girl no. 2 wanted 2000 pesos per night and she was insistent on only two pops per night. Said goodbye but this one also started calling and texting all the time.
Girl no. 3 lives in cavite and wanted load to text. After sending load she wanted 1000 pesos for milk for her baby. And she wanted me to go to Cavite to pick her up. Gave up on this one.
Girl no. 4 lives in Taguig and said she will meet me and stay with me. Had a job as waitress in a Chinese restaurent but once again the boss was sexually harrassing her and she quit her job. Decided to meet her. She wanted me to go to taguig but I said for her to come to Mall of asia. She said she is from Leyte and came to Manila for work and staying with her friends family. She said she does not know much about Manila. Anyway her and her friend met me at Mall of asia and I took them for dinner. After dinner this girl said she will stay with me and her friend 18 year old cutie went back home. Nice beautifull girl with nice boobs. She asked me if she can stay with me for 3 nights. I said yes. Good sex many times and next afternoon she said she has to go home and will be back in the evening. In the evening she texted me saying her friends father who is very strict did not want her going out.
Anyway alone again texted girl no. 5. Turned out she lives in Malate with her baby. Came to my hotel and was not really pleased with her. Very in experienced in sex and too shy. However I got my pops in and she left in the morning after breakfast. Texted girl no. 6. She was ready to come.
But all of a sudden I get a text from girl no. 4 saying her and her friend wants to come and stay with me. I was really surprised. Once again met them at Mall of asia and brought them to the room. In the room my girl said her friend wants to have sex with me also. We all had a great time together. Only problem was while I was having sex with one other would hide in the bathroom. However much I tried to have them together in bed did not go well. Had a great time sandwitched between them and got to pop each one while other was sleeping. My girl said her friends father is very strict and they sneaked out of home when he went to work. Previous day he was home all day and she could not go out. Her friends mother was calling and texting her daughter all evening, night and morning so much so the girl turned her phone off. My girl told her friends mother that they are staying at a friends house.
Girl no. 6 was calling and texting me also which I ignored. Really wanted to see her because she looked great in her pic.
These two girls stayed with me till 7 pm. We went to movies, shopping mall, restaurents etc and had a great time. No demands for money and gladly accepted without counting what I gave them.
My flight left at 11 PM and back in USA now undergoing PPD (Post Philippine Depression)
Overall in this trip I had a great time with loving DIA girls. Three barfines in AC do not compare with any one of them. All the DIA girls I had are nice, loving and go to extra lengths to please me. Ofcourse all are clean pleasant pussies except the first one who had a smell. I gave her some extra money to buy antibiotics. For some time now I have been avoiding bargirls and AC but every once a while need to see how AC is doing.I have had more pleasurable experiences with alleged "non working women" than women in AC. However, I do like the working women in Manila. Just Saying. I think its the big city experience.
By far I prefer Manila over AC. In a metro area of 16, 000, 000 people I never have difficulty finding what I like.
. Girl no. 2 wanted 2000 pesos per night and she was insistent on only two pops per night. Said goodbye but this one also started calling and texting all the time.
Girl no. 3 lives in cavite and wanted load to text. After sending load she wanted 1000 pesos for milk for her baby. And she wanted me to go to Cavite to pick her up. Gave up on this one.Great report. The above ones are the typical failures: "send money for the taxi fare" or "you come to my place" or "send me load", all that happens. Still a good sucess rate, mate.
Does anyone know the current rates for Burgos Street? 1600BF and 2500tip for LT? I'll be hitting up Manilla soon and was curious.
YGWish it was that. I recall BF is between 3500 and 3800p (lady drinks are deducted) and tip is 3500+ for LT.
Does anyone know the current rates for Burgos Street? 1600BF and 2500tip for LT? I'll be hitting up Manilla soon and was curious.
YGThats Rogues prices. Everywhere else BF 2500. 3800 plus tip 2000+ for LT depends on your negotiation skills
Why? Do you live in MM?
By far I prefer Manila over AC. In a metro area of 16, 000, 000 people I never have difficulty finding what I like.
Wicked Roger
10-21-12, 10:56
Thats Rogues prices. Everywhere else BF 2500. 3800 plus tip 2000+ for LT depends on your negotiation skillsUnless they have suddenly fallen (and I stand to be corrected) BFs are between 3500 and 4000 pesos, at bars like High Heels it is 3900 pesos.
Seems silly the BFs are so high. Look the lack of punters in each bar, years ago they were packed now empty and only the Koreans and Japs pay, girls complain etc, is why the guys now visit and get a mobile number and see them after the bar closes or the next morning.
Recently a friend was in Bottoms, met a real cutie but the BF was 3800 pesos and she wanted 5000 pesos on top! He declined and said he was not a Jap / Korean. Her loss, as he is generous but only after the event not before
Unless they have suddenly fallen (and I stand to be corrected) BFs are between 3500 and 4000 pesos, at bars like High Heels it is 3900 pesos.
Seems silly the BFs are so high. Look the lack of punters in each bar, years ago they were packed now empty and only the Koreans and Japs pay, girls complain etc, is why the guys now visit and get a mobile number and see them after the bar closes or the next morning.
Recently a friend was in Bottoms, met a real cutie but the BF was 3800 pesos and she wanted 5000 pesos on top! He declined and said he was not a Jap / Korean. Her loss, as he is generous but only after the event not beforeMore the Koreans than the Japanese. The Japs have long been mongering in the Philippines and to their credit set up their own places. I never saw one in Mabini when all the go-go bars were there and once Freddie Lim sent everyone packing to Edsa not too many Japanese there too. (Interestingly there are dozens of Japan-centric KTVs and hostess clubs in Ermita and Malate; it remains a mystery to me why they remained whilst the Westerners' clubs were shuttered.) The Koreans are relative newcomers (15 years or so), and for whatever reason they're determined to ruin it for everyone. Years ago they were known to the girls as the 2-3-4's. I reckon that 4 is now a 6 or 8 thousand pesos.
Wicked Roger
10-21-12, 15:01
The Koreans are relative newcomers (15 years or so), and for whatever reason they're determined to ruin it for everyone. Years ago they were known to the girls as the 2-3-4's. I reckon that 4 is now a 6 or 8 thousand pesos.Good FR.
Speaking with a cutie recently who has a Japanese 'sugar daddy' and knows many of our Asian brethen intimately (but also has a steady boring vanilla shag pinoy boyfriend. As well as me for the variety and kinkinees LOL) she said it was more like 2-2-8/10 now! Terrifying but true.
She gets 7000-9000 for about 2 minutes (average but more sometimes) plus the range of Ipad, Iphones etc that they all give. And trips to Japan in between semesters.
Hard to compete with. As CS (or was it WC) said in the Photo Gallery
Unless they have suddenly fallen (and I stand to be corrected) BFs are between 3500 and 4000 pesos, at bars like High Heels it is 3900 pesos.
Seems silly the BFs are so high. Look the lack of punters in each bar, years ago they were packed now empty and only the Koreans and Japs pay, girls complain etc, is why the guys now visit and get a mobile number and see them after the bar closes or the next morning.
Recently a friend was in Bottoms, met a real cutie but the BF was 3800 pesos and she wanted 5000 pesos on top! He declined and said he was not a Jap / Korean. Her loss, as he is generous but only after the event not beforePrices have not changed. Rogues 1600, few bars next to Rogues between 1600. 2500, rest is the standard 3800 or is it 3900 (some will discount BF with ladies drinks purchases some won't) but thats the price. Girls can ASK whatever they think the punter will pay but almost all will agree to 2500 LT which in Manila means around 6-7am so she can get back home. Depending on negotiation skills price can go north or south and so can the time she leaves. If you are on budget best way is to hook up outside the bar after her shift.
Keen Eye Joe
10-23-12, 10:51
i apologize in advance for typos but i am typing this on my ipad and it's hard to correct mistakes.
i arrived in manila a couple of days ago and have been hanging out with a cherry blossoms website lady. i must admit she's a nice lady (35 years old) and the sex has been fantastic. but she had to attend to her teenaged kids today which gave me some free time alone. i didn't want to bring a freelancer back to my ermita hotel so i decided to go find some short-time action in carriedo.
carriedo streetwalkers have been discussed intermittently on this website. the carriedo lrt station is located north of ermita. if you board the lrt at united nations, the next stations are central then carriedo. it's fairly close to chinatown but in all honesty there's very little for a tourist to do in this area except buy crap from the sidewalk vendors operating below the lrt line.
riding the lrt during the day is safe and the carriedo area appeared safe to me too. i am guessing not a lot of white guys go there because i got plenty of stares from the locals.
i arrived there at around 11 am. i was surprised at how many women were available, i would guess i spied at least 25 possibles. previous reports have talked about young and possibly ****d girls working there, but all i saw were women between 22and 45 years old who were either cute and fat, ugly and thin, or ugly and fat. no stunners at all, nothing above a 5 on my scale. but there were certainly a fair number of doables based on my less than exacting standards.
as i exited the station, i walked down the west side of the street toward recto avenue. available women were rep001tered around close to the sogo hotel. basically any woman who is just standing around with nothing to do is a potential candidate.
there are other women standing near the two short time hotels on the east side of the street. from what i could tell, there were no women north of recto avenue.
i talked to around 8 women and asked about prices. they ranged from 500 to 1000 pesos. i talked to one old hag of a tout who quoted me 1000 for each of her girls but dropped it to 700 easily. 500 was the most common price offer. i selected a 30 year old light skinned pinay who was standing near the national bookstore. very pretty face but a flabby belly. 500 pesos plus 130 for the room. she had a condom and the room was surprisingly clean. we took individual showers hand then she gave a no-condom bj and covered sex. we spent around 30 mins in the room. no kissing but she was nice and didn't rush things. she did try to extract an additional 500 pesos right before starting the bj but she backed down after i complained.
if you're the type of guy who has to have a looker as a hooker, then don't venture down there. but if all you want is to get laid during the day for a reasonable price and in a convenient atmosphere, then carriedo might be for you.
total cost was 654 pesos. 24 pesos for the lrt ride. 130 for the room and 500 for the deed. no tip asked and none given. no drama and except for the pre-bj upsell it was straightforward. i would not venture into this area after dark, but i felt safe there during the day. i' the definitely repeat.
Cunning Stunt
10-23-12, 15:31
nicely written report, joe. i used to love slumming it down there and wrote a couple of reports on the area. i tried to retrieve them but they are of a few years vintage now and the search engine starts huffing and puffing if you ask for something much over a year old. i'm surprised that you found so much daytime action there as i thought it catered mainly for night time punters after the market has closed down and the local ktv bar scene had fired up. the quality of the girls are much better at night but they are choosy and many don't go with foreigners. it is also at night that you have to be wary of **** girls as they are very common, some barely pubescent. it may or may not have something to do with the proximity of chinatown. the area was gentrified under the last mayoral regime but has obviously fallen back into disrepute under the present administration. it surely is an interesting area and is relatively safe although its best to go down there with a wingman or two.
nicely written report, joe. i used to love slumming it down there and wrote a couple of reports on the area. i tried to retrieve them but they are of a few years vintage now and the search engine starts huffing and puffing if you ask for something much over a year old. i'm surprised that you found so much daytime action there as i thought it catered mainly for night time punters after the market has closed down and the local ktv bar scene had fired up. the quality of the girls are much better at night but they are choosy and many don't go with foreigners. it is also at night that you have to be wary of **** girls as they are very common, some barely pubescent. it may or may not have something to do with the proximity of chinatown. the area was gentrified under the last mayoral regime but has obviously fallen back into disrepute under the present administration. it surely is an interesting area and is relatively safe although its best to go down there with a wingman or two.years ago that area was relatively safe and i know people who lived nearby. i know it fairly well. it is near the famous quiapo church and the city jail is just up the street. i would still consider going there if i had a local or better two or three for company and i would take a taxi to a specific building and not wander around on the streets.
mongering in that area is looking for trouble, even during the day. it is not so much what can happen on the street even though the general area has been known for armed hold-ups. and if the gunmen see a foreigner, they will always target him rather than a local the because they know he is more likely to have more money than a local. i personally know several foreigners and locals who were held up with guns in that area in the daytime. they were not mongering. there are several shopping areas nearby, including chinatown. 168 mall, medical wholesaler area and central market.
add to that the question. what happens when you go out of sight to do the biz with your chosen girl? you can be held up in the small street before you even get to the room. perhaps you might like the adventure of hunting in that area but don't make a habit of it because the local gangbangers will make you their mark. there is a reason why you were probably the only foreigner there. going there at night is just plain looking for trouble.
even though i have not personally experienced the quezon city street scene (you can read about it in this forum) , from what i heard i would say it is far safer than the area around carriedo which is near to some of the poorest and toughest neighborhoods in manila.
stay safe!
What is the underground driver's CP number or address of the 4th casa?
Posting a late report on my 2-day stay in Manila before heading to Angeles City.
Stayed at the Boulevard Mansion, which was okay, almost directly across the street from the US Embassy. Get a corner suite if you plan on staying. Nice Kitchen, decent sized fridge but wifi is best the closer you get to the elevators. Maybe the access point is in there? I had my best reception sitting next to my room door, but then again I was using my phone's wifi and not a computer.
Arrived to a 300php cab ride to the hotel from Aquino airport after hitting up a green cab, then a yellow cab. Avoid the freelancers illegally trying to get your business right outside of customs for twice the price. I was beat from the long flight so decided 300php was just fine. I know I could have spent more time finding a cheaper ride but was anxious to get settled in and start the fun. The security box for Boulevard Mansion is behind the front desk. You place your valuable into a make-shift safety deposit box so the employees can't really see what you are putting in. I placed my stuff in a pouch prior to doing this as an added measure. Not too bad. Drop off the key as you are leaving and retrieve it when you return. Headed to EDSA complex after a s, s and s. Ar 200php 15 minute cab ride which was ok by me.
EDSA complex if full of good looking, young women. They seem like they are in a big city on my reflection after. Saw a mamasan my friend knows from 5years ago. Whisked us into Firehouse after 10 minutes of catching up. The other bars there sure had some pretty door girls that I wanted to sample. Ahh, save some for later.
After being seated at the bar MS said she had some recommendations for my friend and I and that we wouldn't be disappointed. She called over to 19yr olds. Gorgeous girls, fun to talk to which my friend bar fined his within 10 minutes. Oh no, I thought. Too soo because I didn't really get a rockin vibe from the girl I was recommended. As I looked to the stage, I saw one girl smiling at me constantly. She was cute with the body type I like so I decided to chuck the one MS recommended and call the other girl down. We hit it off right away, laughing, grabbing, talking dirty the whole time. Ok. I think I got my first on for the trip. I decided to bar fine her (1850php) and head out. We had not eaten so we decided to take the girls for dinner. Our mistake was asking the girls where they wanted to eat.
They took us to a seafood restaurant where you pick your live food and they cook it to order. 1 crab. 2 orders of prawns. 1 medium sized lapulapu cost us 6000php. Sheez. The night was about to get more expensive.
My girl was rockin in the bed. She was game for anything except anal, which was fine by me. I was ready to rock and she was also. We went at it 4 or 5 times that night, waking to a nice BBBJ that finished in some spirited K9. One thing I noticed on this trip was that most girls don't like to bang for a long time. 30-45 minutes sessions are good for them. THen they want to rest for a little while before going again.
As she was leaving she asked me for her pay. I gave her what I thought was a generous 1000php tip but she looked at it and said "No, my pay. Not tip"."ST is 3000php, LT is more than that". WTF, I thought? Was I wrong or was she trying for more? Later, thanks to the info from members here, I found out I was wrong. My mistake was never confirming with MS about the total price for all night. I was not prepared for Manila. I was thinking Angeles procedures. Oh boy, did I learn from that first night. The whole night ended costing us more than 10, 0000php. I could have stayed home and gone to an AMP for that.
We then decided to cut our stay short in Manila and head to Angeles. This turned out to be our best decision the whole trip. I'm done with Manila. Until.
We had one night left as our arrangements for a car was the next day. So we hit MBC to have a few drinks and kill the time. MBC is a freelancers are with the atmosphere of a sex nightclub. It was crowded and the girls plastic and businesslike. We stayed for an hour and decided to leave. We were hungry so we hailed a cab to take us to someplace to eat. As we were inquiring with the driver as to where is good, I asked him if he knew of "La Casa"."Oh sure" he replied and off we went."La Casa" are local *houses that are very well hidden. It turned out that he had heard about them and kind of knew where they are but wasn't exactly sure. Well, he turned out to be the diamond in the rough as he went person to person trying to find "La Casa" for us. We finally met an owner of 4 Casa. The first turned out to be a pass. 30+ women that I know had kids. The 2nd was a bit better as well as the 3rd. So we decided to hit the 4th. The 4th turned out to be almost as good as EDSA! 18-30yr olds, more slender, prettier, smiling, joking. Best part was the price! The owner tried to give us the "tourist" price but our cab driver went to bat for us and got us a 800php price for all night. Needless to say,"La Casa" redeemed Manila as a place to monger for me! Oh, and the girls were hungry to serve! Totally different from EDSA.
I must say, finding our cab driver who stuck up for us when too many irrelevant questions were asked, went to bat for us with the pricing and just kept us safe was the best thing that happened. We eventually bought him dinner and some foods to take home to his family. He is not happy about doing this but he also understands business is business and is willing to do it.
If you want this guy's number, hit me up. He is now in good with several owners of La Casas. He is sort of the "underground driver" for Las Casa's now. He can hook you up.
Rest of the trip will be continued in Angeles City.
i apologize in advance for typos but i am typing this on my ipad and it's hard to correct mistakes.
i arrived in manila a couple of days ago and have been hanging out with a cherry blossoms website lady. i must admit she's a nice lady (35 years old) and the sex has been fantastic. but she had to attend to her teenaged kids today which gave me some free time alone. i didn't want to bring a freelancer back to my ermita hotel so i decided to go find some short-time action in carriedo.
carriedo streetwalkers have been discussed intermittently on this website. the carriedo lrt station is located north of ermita. if you board the lrt at united nations, the next stations are central then carriedo. it's fairly close to chinatown but in all honesty there's very little for a tourist to do in this area except buy crap from the sidewalk vendors operating below the lrt line.
riding the lrt during the day is safe and the carriedo area appeared safe to me too. i am guessing not a lot of white guys go there because i got plenty of stares from the locals.
i arrived there at around 11 am. i was surprised at how many women were available, i would guess i spied at least 25 possibles. previous reports have talked about young and possibly ****d girls working there, but all i saw were women between 22and 45 years old who were either cute and fat, ugly and thin, or ugly and fat. no stunners at all, nothing above a 5 on my scale. but there were certainly a fair number of doables based on my less than exacting standards.
as i exited the station, i walked down the west side of the street toward recto avenue. available women were rep001tered around close to the sogo hotel. basically any woman who is just standing around with nothing to do is a potential candidate.
there are other women standing near the two short time hotels on the east side of the street. from what i could tell, there were no women north of recto avenue.
i talked to around 8 women and asked about prices. they ranged from 500 to 1000 pesos. i talked to one old hag of a tout who quoted me 1000 for each of her girls but dropped it to 700 easily. 500 was the most common price offer. i selected a 30 year old light skinned pinay who was standing near the national bookstore. very pretty face but a flabby belly. 500 pesos plus 130 for the room. she had a condom and the room was surprisingly clean. we took individual showers hand then she gave a no-condom bj and covered sex. we spent around 30 mins in the room. no kissing but she was nice and didn't rush things. she did try to extract an additional 500 pesos right before starting the bj but she backed down after i complained.
if you're the type of guy who has to have a looker as a hooker, then don't venture down there. but if all you want is to get laid during the day for a reasonable price and in a convenient atmosphere, then carriedo might be for you.
total cost was 654 pesos. 24 pesos for the lrt ride. 130 for the room and 500 for the deed. no tip asked and none given. no drama and except for the pre-bj upsell it was straightforward. i would not venture into this area after dark, but i felt safe there during the day. i' the definitely repeat.great read and report. for reasons unrelated to mongering i've been in the west sampaloc district for the past two days. in espańa boulevard is ust (university of santo tomas) , the pi's oldest uni (400+ years), which is well worth a daytime wonder for the beauties, both architectural and female. moreover in the same area, and quite close to recto lrt line 2 station, is far eastern university, in quezon boulevard. you'll see hundreds of pinays in feu's white and green uniforms. beside recto lrt is lrt line 1 station dorodeo jose, which is one station north of carriedo. the neighborhood is overrun with hotsheet hotels, including a sogo or two, and that's always a good sign. i've been leaving the area at dusk, so i haven't yet had a chance to look for local talent. however, on thur i'll be wrapping things up after lunch hopefully, and i intend to spend a bit of time looking for fls. west sampoloc is a bit rough, and i've been the only white foreigner, but no hassles met (knock wood). filipinos do seem surprised by my presence. in closing i'll add i was at the cabao sm last weekend (on a date) and was met with many come-hither stares from about a dozen young women seated behind the coffee bean and tea leaf coffee shop in front of the entrance. i intend to explore this more on saturday.
Keen Eye Joe
10-23-12, 21:52
Years ago that area was relatively safe and I know people who lived nearby. I know it fairly well. It is near the famous Quiapo church and the city jail is just up the street. I would still consider going there if I had a local or better two or three for company and I would take a taxi to a specific building and not wander around on the streets.
Mongering in that area is looking for trouble, even during the day. It is not so much what can happen on the street even though the general area has been known for armed hold-ups. And if the gunmen see a foreigner, they will always target him rather than a local the because they know he is more likely to have more money than a local. I personally know several foreigners and locals who were held up with guns in that area in the daytime. They were not mongering. There are several shopping areas nearby, including Chinatown. 168 Mall, medical wholesaler area and Central Market.
Add to that the question. What happens when you go out of sight to do the biz with your chosen girl? You can be held up in the small street before you even get to the room. Perhaps you might like the adventure of hunting in that area but don't make a habit of it because the local gangbangers will make you their mark. There is a reason why you were probably the only foreigner there. Going there at night is just plain looking for trouble.
Even though I have not personally experienced the Quezon city street scene (you can read about it in this forum) , from what I heard I would say it is far safer than the area around Carriedo which is near to some of the poorest and toughest neighborhoods in Manila.
Stay safe!I appreciate your insight on safety in these poorer areas. In fact, they can probably be applied to 99 percent of the country. Yes, we will always be targets here due to our relative wealth, but I attempt to minimize the risks when I go out. For day excursions, I wear Eddie Bauer nylon cargo pants that have lots of Velcro and zipped pockets. I also wear a lightweight money pouch around my lower midsection and a nylon belt with a zipped compartment for currency. I divide my money up between all those spots. I also tuck a 100 peso bill into my walking shoes. Lastly, I never bring more money than I anticipate I need for the day's activities plus emergency money back to the hotel. I keep my credit cards and all other valuables in secured storage in the hotel room safe and front desk safe. If someone in Carriedo wants to rob me for 2, 500 pesos, then they can do so but they won't get rich or ruin my vacation.
The short time hotels in Carriedo have entrances right on the main street. No walking down some seedy dark alley. There was an armed security guard at the entrance too. When I showered, I took my pants into the bathroom with me and locked the door. In retrospect, I felt much safer walking around that area during the day than around Ermita at night.
Oh, I have a tidbit of additional info. For those of you tired of chatting up sales girls at the major malls and getting shut down, I got highly favorable vibes from the overly friendly sales help at the SM Clearance Store in Carriedo. When you exit the LRT, walk to the east side of the street where the main sidewalk vendors are located. Turn right and walk about 30 yards to the south. Then turn left and walk through the maze of street vendors and go down 1 or 2 blocks. Off to your right will be the Sm center housed in what I believe is a red painted multi-story building. The staff will chat you in groups of at least two because pinays are braver talking to us when they are in a larger group. Print your name and phone number on a small piece of paper. After the inane chatting is done, wander off for a bit, then circle back to the one you like. Discretely hand her the slip of paper and say,"you seem like a nice lady. I do hope you will text me sometime". It's worked for me in other locales and I can't imagine you won't have great success at this store.
Excellent report and follow up. Been over at the market at Quepos Chuch a few times but I wouldn't stray much farther. Never been intimidated in that area but that's about as far as I'd go. I look very very kano. Thanks again for your report.
Cunning Stunt
10-24-12, 02:46
Perhaps you might like the adventure of hunting in that area but don't make a habit of it because the local gangbangers will make you their mark. There is a reason why you were probably the only foreigner there. Going there at night is just plain looking forMy mongering activities these days are pretty ho-hum compared to my younger days when I used to get an adrenaline and testosterone fueled high by putting myself in potentially dangerous situations. To me that was half the fun. Carriedo is probably risky but I have been in much dodgier places and walked out in one piece. Maybe I am just plain lucky. Mind you a lot of it is probably down to attitude and bearing. If you look like a victim, you stand more chance of ending up as one.
To be honest, I think that there are many more bad guys in and around Ermita or Makati where they are attracted like so many shit flies by the many wealthy single male tourists. I don't know the statistics but I would not be at all surprised if the chances of getting mugged in these areas were far higher than anywhere else in Manila.
MangoBob68
10-24-12, 03:48
Another fare strategy is taking a major airline to one of the waypoints and then finding a low cost carrier airport that has flights to your final destination.
You can save some major currency with this flight trip, there is a downside to this with risk that either carrier at the connection airports is delayed causing a missed flight on the other carrier, checked-in baggage transfer / missing / delayed since there is different multiple carriers involved that has no relationship to each other.
There is an upside to this fare strategy, definitely recommend purchasing travel insurance if you chose this journey.
Here is an excellent flight Itinerary planner;
Matrix Airfare Search.
http://matrix.itasoftware.com/Thanks GuyLuvsParty. I used the matrix site you suggested. Before I tried all the "popular" ones and this one gave me the lowest fare with reasonal stop over.
Example: sacramento to LAX then to Japan then final to manila. Roundtrip using American and JAL for just under $986. This at least $250 lower than anything I found. I only need to go back and check it includes all taxes / fees.
What is the underground driver's CP number or address of the 4th casa?You posted 4 screens of a quote just to add a one line question. Please consider editing the quotes. If some one wants to read the whole quote they can click [View Original Post].
Thanks for your understanding,
Slim
anybody use the heritage hotel on roxas blvd. sounds like edsa is close?
any recommendations?
how about manila bay cafe? i was trying to get a room at the pearl garden that is walking distance for mbc. any recommendations for the mbc?
(want to check it out for the first time)
thanks in advance!
peet
Not sure which part of the forum to put this report, because it involves travel to AC and Cebu City, but the trip did start in Manila.
I am in my mid 50's and I have a 27 year old son who has spent his vacation over the last couple of years in Thailand, probably mostly in Pattaya.
He had a Thailand trip lined up for July but the two mates he was going with baled on him, and he was feeling a bit down about it. Then Dad says, hey son, I will be in the Philippines at that time doing some business, so why not join me over here for a week and I can show you around the place. A big step really, because up until now, son has no idea that Dad is into mongering, but a parent has to evenually face up to explaining the facts of life to a child.
There is a reasonably large gap between what a 27 year old and a 50+ year old class as a good time. These revolve around how drunk one should get, and how late do you stay in the bars and how loud can you stand the music (in AC Blue Nile). Also I didn't realise that these younger guys often use Viagra and Cialis to aid in the fun, and of course back home they could never get the required prescription, but in in Phils its all across the counter.
Picked up son from NAIA at about 7pm and when back to hotel in Malate (Kimberly. Cheap and cheerful). Then walked 500m to MBC for first beers. Son impressed with the atmosphere, so Dad says "anyone you like here son". Son says "holy shit Dad the night is young, I have a lot of drinking to do" So about 11pm we get a cab to EDSA entertainment centre and went to Firehouse Bar, where both son and I saw a couple of hotties for a lady drink. So far so good until we find out the cost. I think the bar fine was about 1800 peso and the girl another 3000 (short time). We paid our bill and left empty handed. Went back to MBC and found a couple of good candidates for 1500 peso and took them back to the hotel for good seeing to. Obvious to the son was that Dad had interests other than just business in the Philippines.
Next day went to AC. Will post next in AC forum.
GuyLuvsParty
10-25-12, 07:14
Thanks GuyLuvsParty. I used the matrix site you suggested. Before I tried all the "popular" ones and this one gave me the lowest fare with reasonal stop over.
Example: sacramento to LAX then to Japan then final to manila. Roundtrip using American and JAL for just under $986. This at least $250 lower than anything I found. I only need to go back and check it includes all taxes / fees.Hey MB68, Glad I could help you out, thats what this forum is all about helping each other, hopefully you found a good airfare!
anybody use the heritage hotel on roxas blvd. sounds like edsa is close?
any recommendations?
how about manila bay cafe? i was trying to get a room at the pearl garden that is walking distance for mbc. any recommendations for the mbc?
(want to check it out for the first time)
thanks in advance!
peeti have used the cococabana which is right next to the heritage on edsa. i have heard the heritage is a bit tired and relatively expensive to what it is. the coco is about 2800 peso a night and it literally straight across the road (multiple lane and suicide to cross on foot) from the edsa entertainment center. i would call the cococabana cheap and cheeful. quite ok for a budget hotel and girl friendly. there is an elevated pedestrian walk over edsa which is 100 meters from the hotel and i have used it quite happily at any hour, but some people might prefer to use a taxi to cross the road, and crossing the road is a half mile drive to do a u turn to go back to the hotel. i have heard some folks think the walk over is unsafe late at night. i don't know.
as to the mbc, the closest budget hotel i have stayed is palm plaza on pedro gil and then kimberly slightly further away on the same road. it is literally a 400m wallk to mbc, but if you want to play it safe at night, then take a taxi.
This dreary, rainy Thu afternoon I spent three hours eye shopping in Manila's West Sampaloc district, which is part of Manila's uni belt; UST (University of Santo Tomas) is in Espana Boulevard and Far Eastern University, in Quezon Boulevard. This is quite close to Recto LRT line 2 station and LRT line 1 station Dorodeo Jose. I also walked along Rizal, looking around the Sogo Avenida hotsheet hotel and browsed the Isetann Department store. The bad news: no FLs seen in any of the streets or near the Sogo. The good news: after chatting up several attractive Isetann sales ladies I learnt that foreigners are almost never there. Isetann hires them young, tall (ish) , fair, and attractive. They aren't 9s or 10s, but most of them are better looking than what you'll find in MBC, and I've seen much worse at Edsa and Burgos. Added benefit is that they aren't at Robinsons or SM, where foreign punters prowl and hit on the cuties relentlessly. I followed Keen Eye Joe's advice and had my name and mobile number printed on strips of paper (thanks KEJ!). I chose one girl on each of the 4 floors I visited, told each I'd like to meet her when she is free for a date, and all gladly took it. I then browsed the mall. Didn't find any groups of ladies making eyes at me in the basement food court. In the mall's top floor is an arcade area with a lot of blokes posing along the railings, making eyes at the girls. Didn't think it tactful to intrude on their turf. On each floor of the mall I found shop and kiosk girls (less attractive than Isetann) who were giving me the eye. It was approaching dusk and and I wanted to get back to Makati's relative safety, so I didn't pursue this. As I entered LRT line 2's security check and saw two foreign women lost and a bit panicked. The one not wearing a hijab was good looking. I asked if they needed help and they told me they couldn't find line 1. There's an overpass from 2 to 1, which they didn't know. Played my white knight card, telling them I'd take care of them. Whilst walking together to Line 1 I learnt they are from Tunisia. We chatted on the train and I gave each my number offering my future help. Just received a call from the uncovered one and she's coming over to my condo for a swim on Sunday. An unexpected outcome to the day.
anybody use the heritage hotel on roxas blvd. sounds like edsa is close?
any recommendations?
how about manila bay cafe? i was trying to get a room at the pearl garden that is walking distance for mbc. any recommendations for the mbc?
(want to check it out for the first time)
thanks in advance!
peetheritage isn't quite what it used to be but its in a great location for the edsa entertainment complex. walk out the front door, turn right and go to the pedestrian overpass that takes you across the street and you're pretty much there. btw, great pool at heritage. pearl garden is priced better and just around the corner from the main entrance to robinson mall which i consider a great convenience. mbc? there's a ton of info on mbc in the manila thread. if you have your signts set on mbc, pearl garden is much closer than heritage.
Fredje1961
10-25-12, 12:10
An unexpected outcome to the day.Well done and thanks for the excellent information.
anybody use the heritage hotel on roxas blvd. sounds like edsa is close?
any recommendations?
how about manila bay cafe? i was trying to get a room at the pearl garden that is walking distance for mbc. any recommendations for the mbc?
(want to check it out for the first time)
thanks in advance!
peeti enjoy staying at the diamond hotel in ermita or malate of manilla. from that hotel, mbc is like a 5 minute walk away. everything else is a short taxi ride away. the hotel is also actually pretty nice with a great staff. i think it's a 4star hotel but you might have to double check on that.
yg
anybody use the heritage hotel on roxas blvd. sounds like edsa is close?
any recommendations?
how about manila bay cafe? i was trying to get a room at the pearl garden that is walking distance for mbc. any recommendations for the mbc?
(want to check it out for the first time)
thanks in advance!
peetheritage hotel is run down. maintenance is poor for some reason. do not know why since it seems to have lots of guests. however breakfast is excellent.
edsa is across the street. you can just walk on the side walk and walk across the road where there is no barrier. they had barrier before everywhere but not now.
edsa girls run you approx 4000-5000 pesos. hard to pay $100 in phi irrespective of how good looking she is. go to ac where you can get the girls for half the price.
i have had very good experiences with edsa girls when the price was cheaper. mbc is hit and miss. i used to see lots of nice looking girls before but not now. most of the young, thin girls go with korean customers only. sometimes you can get some nice girls with a baby who wants to make quick money and go. st is generally 1500 pesos. there are many good hotels within walking distance to mbc with low to high prices.
nowadays my conquests mostly on dia. cheaper, cleaner and more gfe.
My mongering activities these days are pretty ho-hum compared to my younger days when I used to get an adrenaline and testosterone fueled high by putting myself in potentially dangerous situations. To me that was half the fun. Carriedo is probably risky but I have been in much dodgier places and walked out in one piece. Maybe I am just plain lucky. Mind you a lot of it is probably down to attitude and bearing. If you look like a victim, you stand more chance of ending up as one.
To be honest, I think that there are many more bad guys in and around Ermita or Makati where they are attracted like so many shit flies by the many wealthy single male tourists. I don't know the statistics but I would not be at all surprised if the chances of getting mugged in these areas were far higher than anywhere else in Manila.There is no way in which I would ever compare Ermita with Makati when it comes to security. IMHO, Ermita is far more of a crime hotspot than Makati ever was. Makati or at least the Central Business District is full of rich and powerful Filipinos and every building in the Central Business District has several armed guards. Ermita used to be a cool place to live but now the criminals are everywhere. Even the police in Ermita are very corrupt. In the past year there were news reports of policemen being arrested for running the gangs of street kids in Ermita and being involved in blackmailing tourists. The level of street crime in Ermita is much higher than Makati. Hey, even in Makati it is hard to find a beggar because they are banned and I have even heard that it is a crime to give to beggars there.
This is not to say that Ermita is to be avoided; and I am not saying that it is as bad as Binondo or those other areas in St Cruz that were discussed earlier. It is just that one ought not to walk down any dark alleys there at night and to be aware of what is going on around you.
Everything I have said about street crime really only applies to Metro Manila. When I am in Cebu, I take local transport, including Jeepney and I walk everywhere at night, including the really poor older areas in the older quarter in the south part of Cebu city. While there are kidnap prone areas in the Philippines, especially in Mindanao, all the other cities are generally safe as long as you are sensible. Like everywhere else in Asia, if you are doing something that is causing problems for others, especially crime, or you go looking for trouble (stay away from those married ladies!) , trouble will find you wherever you hang your hat in the Philippines.
Heritage Hotel is run down. Maintenance is poor for some reason. Do not know why since it seems to have lots of guests. However breakfast is excellent.
EDSA is across the street. You can just walk on the side walk and walk across the road where there is no barrier. They had barrier before everywhere but not now.
Edsa girls run you approx 4000-5000 pesos. Hard to pay $100 in Phi irrespective of how good looking she is. Go to AC where you can get the girls for half the price.
I have had very good experiences with EDSA girls when the price was cheaper. MBC is hit and miss. I used to see lots of nice looking girls before but not now. Most of the young, thin girls go with Korean customers only. Sometimes you can get some nice girls with a baby who wants to make quick money and go. ST is generally 1500 pesos. There are many good hotels within walking distance to MBC with low to high prices.
Nowadays my conquests mostly on DIA. Cheaper, cleaner and more GFE.Thanks for all the info. Because of work I am going to be in Manila only. I am at the Traders hotel for my first two nights. But they didn't have a room after that.
I sent 2 email for reservations for Pearl Garden, but still have not heard after filling out their on line form.
Thanks for the info on the Heritage. Sounds like it works for EDSA is the hotel girl friendly? How far is MBC.
Any other suggestions?
I enjoy staying at the Diamond Hotel in Ermita or Malate of Manilla. From that hotel, MBC is like a 5 minute walk away. Everything else is a short taxi ride away. The hotel is also actually pretty nice with a great staff. I think it's a 4star hotel but you might have to double check on that.
YGThank you I will check it out. I still have time to Cancel the Heritage.
anybody use the heritage hotel on roxas blvd. sounds like edsa is close?i stayed in the heritage earlier this year. i found it overpriced and full of businessmen but the location was good. as has been reported it is close to edsa and also to the mall of asia and the airport (by taxi).
Member #4387
10-25-12, 21:02
anybody use the heritage hotel on roxas blvd. sounds like edsa is close?
any recommendations?
how about manila bay cafe? i was trying to get a room at the pearl garden that is walking distance for mbc. any recommendations for the mbc?
(want to check it out for the first time)
thanks in advance!
peetfirst of all i have stayed at the boulevard mantion hotel. that hotel is located exactly 3 minutes slow walking from mbc. not the best hotel in the world but not the worst either. get a room close to elevator for some sort of internet connection (if that is important to you). i have no clue what is walking distance for you as i am clueless what is walkingdistance in general. i have 5 minutes slow walking as walking distance in my book. longer than my walking distance it is taxi distance. i am not overweight or particulary lazy (i can walk for ours in the norwegian mountains) but when i monger that is my goal and not walking. i exercise in bed. and i don't like walking in the heat as i want to pick my girls feeling fresh and newly showered.
since i only do (with rare exceptions) freelance ladies mbc is my kind of place. benefits with mbc in my book is that it is open 24hrs, allways fuckable girls precent (for stunners you may have to be patience. but you can also get lucky). and as everything in lcc (not low cost carriers but low cost countries) it is very cheap. 1-2k piso for st action and 2-5k for lt action.
and for more detailed info you can read 30 pages back and there are loads of info for you on this subject.
[quote=peet0115; 1341067]any recommendations for the mbc?
i usually stay at rothman hotel on adriatico and book through agoda. com. it's five minutes walking to mbc and up the street from robinson's mall. it's also across from freddy aquilar's if you want to hear a filipino music legend. he rocks. good place to take a date,
Soapy Smith
10-26-12, 06:53
[quote=peet0115; 1341067]it's also across from freddy aquilar's if you want to hear a filipino music legend. he rocks. good place to take a date,freddie only plays weekend nights. he and his band, including his son on lead guitar, are good musicians. i've seen other good acts there on weeknights, but wc went there recently and disliked the weeknight performers. zamboanga restaurant, next door to rothman, has a great traditional dance and music show from mindanao, if you're into that. food is good and they have strolling musicians who make the rounds among the tables and play requests for tips. women probably like this show almost as much as ka freddie's
I've been past the Z restaurant a thousand times, but never popped in. I'm wondering if the Mindanao gals (lots of them in MM) would find it boring or be thrilled. You never know.
[QUOTE=D Cups; 1341509]Freddie only plays weekend nights. He and his band, including his son on lead guitar, are good musicians. I've seen other good acts there on weeknights, but WC went there recently and disliked the weeknight performers. Zamboanga restaurant, next door to Rothman, has a great traditional dance and music show from Mindanao, if you're into that. Food is good and they have strolling musicians who make the rounds among the tables and play requests for tips. Women probably like this show almost as much as Ka Freddie's
Yes Ana the nympho is back on vacation from Dubai. Seems she will be here for a month.
A friend of mine met her. He says she is looking trimmer and fitter and as good as ever in bed. USD 200 LT. Pm me for digits.
Jonty
For those of you in manila few good parties going on for hallowen.
BLACK PARTY. Mardigrass style party in Malate. Google it for details, street party.
Cream Hallowen - Big Fish Manila. This is more elite event that can get sleazy, google bigfishmanila http://www.bigfishmanila.com/
ICON. Always has good dress up parties too.
Burgos. When else can you get sucked off by a zombie? Weird to see the girls in crazy costumes and scary make up, not my thing, done it once, thats enough.
I will be at Cream Hallowen.
Asian Rain
10-26-12, 19:03
Yes Ana the nympho is back on vacation from Dubai. Seems she will be here for a month.
A friend of mine met her. He says she is looking trimmer and fitter and as good as ever in bed. USD 200 LT. Pm me for digits.She is advertising on Craigslist as well. If her CL pics are any indicator, she is bordering on fat compared to the time that CS had her spitting cum into a champagne glass. At USD200 for LT, all the best to her with the Emirates-class market. Enjoy, AsianRain
she is advertising on craigslist as well.what is the category on craigslist? i don't see anything under "women seeking men","casual encounters","therapeutic", or "travel / vac".
She is advertising on Craigslist as well. If her CL pics are any indicator, she is bordering on fat compared to the time that CS had her spitting cum into a champagne glass. At USD200 for LT, all the best to her with the Emirates-class market. Enjoy, AsianRainBig LOL.
Spitting cum into pint glasses would be good
atJPF she had advertised in makati. But the pics are bit old when she was in Dubai. She lost a lot of weight and in now looking lot slimmer. Of course I have seen only pics.
But the pics on craigslist don't do justice in my opinion.
Wicked Roger
10-27-12, 00:15
She is advertising on Craigslist as well. If her CL pics are any indicator, she is bordering on fat compared to the time that CS had her spitting cum into a champagne glass. At USD200 for LT, all the best to her with the Emirates-class market. Enjoy, AsianRainAR.
I tend to agree with you on this. Never been my flavour but I know Ana is others so good luck to them.
She did dupe many into thinking she was getting married and leaving the game (and wrote about it on ISG) when in fact was just a ploy to reduce her exposure. So now she is back in the game and getting exposure LOL.
A friend saw her recently and the pictures I saw tend to agree with your observations. He likes them chunky and she has a bisexual friend who is even plumper (again he likes this shape / size as he is an Arab)
The rate she will get in the UAE market from the Arabs and Indians mainly who pay crazy rates (some will say they have to). My friend did and was very happy but he recognises that USD200+ is not for all.
But not for everyone but for those who indulge enjoy
Most of the young, thin girls go with Korean customers only.I found this to be the trend in AC too. Are the koreans cornering this market online also?
I found this to be the trend in AC too. Are the koreans cornering this market online also?I am glad I cornered my own market here in Cebu , I try and get them before the Koreans find them
AR.
I tend to agree with you on this. Never been my flavour but I know Ana is others so good luck to them.
She did dupe many into thinking she was getting married and leaving the game (and wrote about it on ISG) when in fact was just a ploy to reduce her exposure. So now she is back in the game and getting exposure LOL.
A friend saw her recently and the pictures I saw tend to agree with your observations. He likes them chunky and she has a bisexual friend who is even plumper (again he likes this shape / size as he is an Arab)
The rate she will get in the UAE market from the Arabs and Indians mainly who pay crazy rates (some will say they have to). My friend did and was very happy but he recognises that USD200+ is not for all.
But not for everyone but for those who indulge enjoyI got a few IMs from her as well. She was suppose to send me some pictures of her, because she looked different than before in the Yahoo Profile pic. She told me she has gotten some liposuction surgery and some work on her lips. I would like to see what she had done. Can't say I would be dropping $200, but as we all know there is always someone who will pay and she has got the history of a good provider. If anyone else see her or get any pictures let us know how she looks now.
She should be back from her Mom's and is looking for some action now and if anyone needs contact her let me know and I'll pass what contacts I have for her, but be advised she not on the low end market of Manila like before.
Raz
Wicked Roger
10-27-12, 08:20
AR.
A friend saw her recently and the pictures I saw tend to agree with your observations. He likes them chunky and she has a bisexual friend who is even plumper (again he likes this shape / size as he is an Arab) AR
Am informed (via PK by an ISG guy I know) she has had some liposuction etc so thinner so can't tell what shape she is presently, but the recent pics I saw from another member sugegst she is chubby but as chubby as when you and I are talking about. As you said when CS was a regular she was thinner than nowadays.
This guy from the PM sees her and pays and is a good source as is the Arab guy who sees her.
CS. Is she seeing you in Manila? Or vice versa. As then you would be the best man to assess.
YMMV
I found this to be the trend in AC too. Are the koreans cornering this market online also?Where have you been? Koreans have cornered the market in AC long time ago. In cebu and Manila they go through private mamasans and touts to get what they want. Most of them are not proficient enough in english to chat and line up. When I was waiting for My gf to pick me up in Manila airport there was a korean waiting also. Soon a older lady with a pretty young girl walked towards korean guy and after some time money was exchanged and young girl left with him pulling his bags. Older lady went her own way.
I heard in Cebu also same thing happens as you do not see Koreans trolling shopping malls or discoes looking for targets.
Have seen many very pretty Korean girls in shopping malls. Obviously they are english students.
In AC all the bars I went to they cater to Koreans as soon as they enter. Mamasans say some beautifull girls will go only with koreans. I have taken some of those girls with mamasan telling them I am a good guy. These girls are not very good in sex and after one session start complaining saying they are sore etc. I would rather have a mediocre girl giving good sex than spotlight girl giving mediocre sex.
Cunning Stunt
10-27-12, 17:25
She is advertising on Craigslist as well. If her CL pics are any indicator, she is bordering on fat compared to the time that CS had her spitting cum into a champagne glass. At USD200 for LT, all the best to her with the Emirates-class market. Enjoy, AsianRainLOL. I actually had her drinking cum from the champagne flute. I have some great video footage of her doing this. She always had a genuine porn starlet demeanor and plays brilliantly to the camera. I really think that if her teenage pregnancy had not wrecked her figure and left her with the extra weight, she would have made a great Pinay porn queen.
WR. Never managed to see her on this trip and as I'm now out of the country for a couple of months, it ain't going fo happen now, which is a shame as I genuinely enjoy her company and we invariably have a lot of fun together. And as a confirmed chubby chaser, I don't mind her ample curves!
Chatting with some freebies from Manila. Only saw their pictures and sometimes see them on the screen, but has no idea if some surprise waits me if I go to meet them.
Two of them ask me to visit Manila for 1-2 days and then fly to Boracay for one week vacation to be spent with them.
It is ok if I spend my vacation but I am not sure if I will have a good service, good attitude, if there will be scam. And having only one girl for my entire holiday with a question of service makes me think about it.
I know I can have a better GFE from them and I like it. I don't like short time (1-2 h) meetings and just bang and go for a new one.
What would you advice me?
Wicked Roger
10-28-12, 01:25
And as a confirmed chubby chaser, I don't mind her ample curves!Thanks for the insights CS. Good you like the chubbies as this save more cuties for me and others LOL.
Her curves will be in high demand in the Arab world as they love extra pounds on a woman (well my Arab mates all think am crazy and weird chasing slim pinay cuties!) so good luck to her.
But wish she had not pulled that stunt re getting married etc. All she had to say was she needed time to reflect and a lipo opreation.
In cebu and Manila they go through private mamasans and touts to get what they want.So they have a private supply line of hot young girls? Sounds like cornering the market to me.
Hi All,
Chatting with some freebies from Manila and two of them offer to go to vacation to Boracay for one week.
As I don't know them personally yet, I am not sure if I can have good service and if they are open to a-level.
Going away to a silent place can be silent, resting but not sure about the attitude and service.
Should I go or just stick to Manila and Angeles?
Planning my trip for 8 days.
Thanks
So they have a private supply line of hot young girls? Sounds like cornering the market to me.Sounds like good business actually! You could do the same thing for westerners if you want!
Very observant.
Koreans are cornering the market because they are smarter, understand asian women, are not kuripot, and are better organised. Just watch the older guys in the bars in AC literally throwing money around. We look at them as strange, but that is a display of power, and money is exactly what the women are there for. Also, there is a so; I'd base of young Korean guys in the Phils. Mostly students. So they have similar interests to the younger pinays than us older western men. And there are hundreds of millions of asian millionaires a very short plane ride away.
Also, they play by a different set of rules. Whereas western bar owners would never think of deliberately excluding punters from their bar, because of a misplaced sense of equality and egalitarianism, this is not the same for Koreans. They are very comfortable with exclusivity. They get what they want.
Western guys are losing the market, in my opinion, because they have a misplaced sense of superiority, tend to go for the cheap end of the market, and do not understand asian women.
There were squeals across the tourism industry in Australia when the Japanese tourism market was totally vertically integrated. Japanese tourists, Japanese tour agents, Japanese airlines, travel in Japanese owned bus lines, stayed in japanese owned hotels, shopped in Japanese owned shops, ate in Japanese owned restaurants. And then went home happy that they had seen and experienced Australia. We are not as smart, or as farsighted, or as ruthless as that.
What do you think?
G.
I found this to be the trend in AC too. Are the koreans cornering this market online also?
AlLostInSpace13
10-29-12, 01:11
I had a few days to spare last month, so I booked a ticket to Manila. I went with PAL instead of Air Asia because I wanted an afternoon arrival. Didn't want to negotiate with the chaotic transportation system after dark. That was a good move.
Went to MBC on my first night. The place was smaller than I had envisioned, but not by much. Paid for my drinks every time and not running a tab. Lots of 4's & 5's, but there were some nicer ones lurking if you have the patience. I really like MBC girls. Except for the occasional hardcore, most girls are very down-to-earth, genuine and can-I-use-the-word sweet? Most that I've the honor to speak to were single moms. Must be a trend for guys to impregnate-and-run over there. 1,500PHP for ST is a fare amount.
I truly enjoyed MBC. At the outset of this trip, I thought of visiting some other places, but I was good with just MBC. However, don't eat there. One night I even picked up a pair of friends and tried a sandwich, which was okay but I wouldn't try that again. Can't be bothered to keep changing condoms.
I would definitely go back to Manila.
Spaceman.
Ps. Manila isn't so expensive.
Soapy Smith
10-29-12, 06:23
Chatting with some freebies from Manila and two of them offer to go to vacation to Boracay for one week.
As I don't know them personally yet, I am not sure if I can have good service and if they are open to a-level.We've had this discussion before, but a while ago. I think most experienced Phils mongers would recommend against a Boracay vacation with a woman you haven't met. I once took a woman from what was then LA Cafe (now MBC) who had recently returned from Boracay. She had met some Westerner at LAC who invited her to go to Boracay. He had planned a week and wanted to swim and wander about, but she wanted to stay in the room. She got bored after two days and asked to return to Manila. He paid her way back. After an hour with her in a Manila hotel room I could never have imagined taking her on vacation. She had the attention span of popcorn in a microwave.
You might try meeting the chatmates first; spend some time with them-walking around, meals, and overnight, for example, and then decide about Boracay. Trust you gut; if it doesn't pan out, then stick to Manila and AC.
I don't really care for Boracay anyway. SK advice is very good. Good beach / lady experience varies depending on your budget, location, and lenghth of stay. If your holiday is a once in a lifetime experience, don't get tricked into a Borocay holiday.
We've had this discussion before, but a while ago. I think most experienced Phils mongers would recommend against a Boracay vacation with a woman you haven't met. .
Questor 55
10-29-12, 22:30
I am glad I cornered my own market here in Cebu , I try and get them before the Koreans find themLike trying to compare mice and mountain lions, No contest! You provide them with a lifestyle and an education, Frenzy. Priceless!
[Crossposted to Cebu forum too]
I had a 20 days of trip to Cebu, Bohol, Davao and Manila (Makati) and I had a great time.
Rose Marie.
This lady was a 28 yrs old DIA contact. Single, no kids. She came to my hotel at 2am to meet me. She insisted that we should go to the hills for a good time which the taxi driver even refused to go due to bad weather and roads. I took her to Mango square and I was not comfortable with her. After paying for her taxi fare, I buried her into my memory lane and took the delete action from my address book and yahoo messenger. Next please.
Janice.
This 28 yrs old single mother was my first action during the trip. She was in my room at 8am before going to her afternoon job at queensland Hotel Cebu. She was an 8 with only post kid boobs that starting to look like pancakes. Rest of the body and attitude were awesome. However, she got too clingy. After leaving for her duty in the hotel, I decided to make it last time. Next day, she called me only 21 times. My decision was right to off load her and informed her that I was not interested on a stalker. After few hundred unanswered txt messages, she got the point.
Xyza.
Young 20 years old tourism marketing student with a 9 body. She met we first time and brought a friend with her who was a perfect 10. I liked her friend better but it was impossible to separate them to make a pass to her. We had a great Thai dinner in Ayala Mall which they never had before. It was a great experience. I wanted to Lyka to join us but she left since Xyza wanted to stay with me. We had a great time together. This gal had the tightest vagina for a long time I met. She was not good in bed and very lack of experience but she tried to make me happy. Very nice B+ perky breasts with Pinay style nipples. She kept me company several times during my trip.
Rhona.
35 years old nursing student with no kids, another DIA contact was a great hook up. Nice body but she was just 4'11" and too short for me. After having a coffee in breakfast she came to my room and had a great afternoon session with me. After 3 pops, I had to cut her lose. She started talking about her love and other boring stuff. After successfully sending her back to her dormitory, I decided to keep this for only one time affair. Keeps texting me regarding her love to me and the pleasure she had after 5 years of hiatus having a physical relationship with a man.
Rose Lee.
Previous Cebu contact and another DIA girl. 27 yrs old no kids and married to 70 yrs old american ex-pat. She is now selling condos for a developer. Great body She met me again this trip and she was in my room less than 30 minutes of Starbucks coffee meeting. Right away into the business. After our session, she tells me how much she loves me blah blah blah. So nicely got rid of her. She keep texting me at least 4 times a day. She wants to form a business and wants my help now to make her family independent.
Ivy.
A DIA contact of 3 years. She is now 27 years old. No kids and never married. She hooked up with a Danish guy couple of years ago and she has been a good sport and very good upfront personality. Last year in November she hooked me up with her 23 years old perfect 10 cousin whom I had a great time during my Nov. 2011 Cebu trip. Now her cousin back to her old pinoy bf and 5 months pregnant, Ivy kept me company and later she started sleeping with me. She is a 9 but she has a tramp stamp tattoo and A size boobs. But she is a multiorgazmic, pleaser. A men's dream in the bed. She will always remain as a friend. I hope she will get married to this Danish guy, so I can see her in my European trips.
Rizz.
A 25 yrs old Tagged contact in Davao. An HRM officer in a call center. No kids and great body 9 plus. I was in Davao for 5 days and she treated me like her king. She was nice smooth, great sex and a great pleaser. I was her first man after 4 months of slip from her pinoy bf. I really did not understand why a man would leave a woman like her except me since I have no desire to get married at anytime soon. We had a great time in Samal Island and other tourist activities in Davao area. Davao is a great place to visit. It is not a mongering place except meeting prearranged ladies.
Catherine Park
30 years old Korean tourist in Cebu. A perfect 10 and great catch. I met her in the bookstore and invited her for a coffee. After refusing with my invitation, she followed me to Starbucks and joined me there for a drink. While I was getting a drink for her another Starbucks lounge lizard was making moves on her. She politely got rid of him and we continued our conversation. She was staying in Tunes hotel and I invited her to mine. Cebu really got infected by Koreans and guys are very aggressive and throw money around to impress local ladies. Scoring with this lady was a perfect revenge for me. I did not have a Korean chick since my US Army days. She was not great in bed but her perfect body made it very nice to have her. Her sexy body and outfit will always stay in my mind as a good memory.
Kristine.
19 years old DIA contact with no kids kept txt messaging me. Finally decided to meet her in Ayala Mall. After seeing her look and presentation, I decided to pass. I really did not feel comfortable to take her to my hotel. So, I stood her up and went back to my hotel.
Edwina.
Another DIA contact. I know her from online almost two years. 25yrs old single teacher with a pinoy seaman bf. Looks like the guy comes there 3 months out of a year and she feels lonely and she has a gambling problem. She came to meet me in Ayala Mall after a long trip. But she kept talking about her debts and her sorrow life which turned me off. She is really looking for a sugar daddy to feed her gambling addiction. So politely I cut her loose and she did not even chance to see my hotel room. Sometimes thinking by the right head keeps your sanity intact.
Gisebel.
23 yrs old Hotel Resort management graduate. I met her in the lobby of Quest Hotel where she was applying for a position. She is perfect 10 with a million dollars smile. We had a great conversation. After exchanging several txt messages it was obvious that she was with someone and did not want to step out. I wish her the best.
Joan.
19 years old DIA contact from Cavite. She met me in Mall of Asia after a long trip to Manila. She gave me a perception that she was an average girl. Most of the times profiling works but in her case profiling failed in a big time. This girl works in Epson plant and has a good job for a regulars. I wonder why they hired her. Perfect personality on a 10 body. After bringing to my hotel, New World in Makati, we had a great time. She did not have lots of experience but a quick learner gave me a great pleasure. Being 50 years old this gal can cause me a stroke after a month of consecutive living together.
Havana Cafe.
It is up and running. I think it has a new management from Middle East. Ladies are more elegant compare to other clubs but aging 6-7 scale looks. Around the place is infested with ladyboys who are extremely aggressive. Last night 3 of them surrounded me to pressure me. Thanks to security guard of Greenbelt who came to my rescue. I think Mall management needs to be more proactive to keep the aggressors out of the mall.
I did lots of scheduling and shuffling around but sometimes mongering requires serious creativity. I am not into bargirl / wg scene. I like to do my homework and find my own connections. Even sometimes not everything pans out, still I do have the best of the travel adventures and mongering.
Since I started coming, cebu became a serious tourist destination for the asian travelers and somewhat europeans. Getting girls became more difficult despite to my fair look. You really have to put some effort into the mongering scene. Especially Korean infestation here is significant and makes me hate Samsung, Kia and Hyundai. For a curiosity I took a look at the us census bureau trade statistics with Korea and USA is in an average of $13B / year trade deficit. Technically they are traveling in the expense of US taxpayers while we do take care their defense bill and everything else. I think we need to dump this country like an hot potato and concentrate of Philippines which is a true ally of America.
[Crossposted to Cebu forum too]
I think we need to dump this country [Korea] like an hot potato and concentrate of Philippines which is a true ally of America.In-fucking-deed. Whilst the Filipinos stuck with the US through thin and thinner in WWII the Koreans were torturing and murdering Allied POWs. The very same Allies who'd later liberate them from Japan and repel the red commie horde. Quite an injustice of the US building up Japan and Korea whilst not putting forth the same effort in the Philippines.
Great report.
Koreans really do believe that they are the superior race. They act like this, and it shows in the Phils. Females are attracted to males who display superior power and authority.
"The whole world admires and envies us because of our racial purity. We are so unique"
"we are becoming world leaders precisely because we are a pure-race people: we shall never corrupt our blood"
Japanese have a similar attitude and policy. Keep their bloodlines clean. This promotes and maintains social cohesion.
Anybody looking from the outside at the social turmoils in the western countries with multicultural policies and corrupted bloodlines can see the sensibility of racial purity.
Japanese government policy even goes so far as to ban moslems from entering the country due to their disruptive influence.
Worth thinking about,
G
In-fucking-deed. Whilst the Filipinos stuck with the US through thin and thinner in WWII the Koreans were torturing and murdering Allied POWs. The very same Allies who'd later liberate them from Japan and repel the red commie horde. Quite an injustice of the US building up Japan and Korea whilst not putting forth the same effort in the Philippines.
Great report.
Radical Guy
10-30-12, 13:16
I have been reading a lot about the fairly recent level of competition posed by Koreans in the Philippines, and how this is ruining things for western guys. Is this problem limited to the bigger cities like Manila and Cebu, and popular destinations like AC? How are things in the provinces?
I have always preferred chatting up ladies in smaller places, such as Butuan or Bislig City, or simply traveling there to meet them. Have the Koreans "infested" these areas also?
RG
Some of the recent posts here seem to imply that the Philippines is the exclusive playground of caucasians. Even the war card has been played, as though the world has not moved on from the mid-1900s. For heaven's sake, Australia and Japan fought each other in WWII but it is very rare nowadays to hear any reference to it in Australia as business and cultural changes have forged a new relationship.
Everybody who is a non-Filipino is a foreigner, including Koreans as well as caucasians, Indians, Chinese, Japanese etc, and they all have as much a "right" to visit the Philippines as anybody else. Use of terms like "infest" applies to all foreigners. I have heard filipinos say that AC is infested by (insert nationality).
If the free market economy excludes the cheap charlies from low cost sex then there is nothing that can be done about it. If you can't beat them, join them. If you want the better lookers, you will have to outbid other punters whether in monetary terms, personality or appearance.
Higher prices will work to the advantage of poor filipinas, and surely that's a good thing no matter how much it might mean the end of "the good old days". Many of the Asians who are coming here are businessmen who are investing in large-scale development. Not all are tourists seeking a good time.
Heading off to remote places like Butuan or Tandag or Bislig is a quick short-term fix that doesn't always work as planned because many east asian groups are also in these places checking out options for investment. I saw a large group of Koreanos in Leyte a month ago in 2 large mini-buses looking at resort development. They were also out and about in the evening.
I have been reading a lot about the fairly recent level of competition posed by Koreans in the Philippines, and how this is ruining things for western guys. Is this problem limited to the bigger cities like Manila and Cebu, and popular destinations like AC? How are things in the provinces?
I have always preferred chatting up ladies in smaller places, such as Butuan or Bislig City, or simply traveling there to meet them. Have the Koreans "infested" these areas also?
RGI don't buy the line that all Koreans are bad because of what their grand-daddies did in WW2, I also don't really buy into the idea that they spoil the market for Westerners. But what does concern me are the reports of the Korean criminal gangs who are muscling in on the bars and restaurants in areas such as Cebu. I don't know if this is connected to the tendency of bars and other places of entertainment to go from being great places to hang out to being sterile, dull and boring.
Chatting up ladies in smaller places can be difficult if the ladies are from that town and have relatives and families to worry about. That is why cities, apart from Metro Manila, are great places to meet Filipinas who have moved from some other place. But the Korean influence has made those cities less interesting and possibly more expensive.
One thing about us Westerners: while many of us may not have the huge amounts of cash to throw around like the Koreans do, we have the advantage of being generally good natured and pleasant people to Filipinas than either the local men or the Korean men. Some things in this world are priceless. For everything else there is M*st*rc*rd!
Key Master
10-30-12, 20:25
For those of you in manila few good parties going on for hallowen.
BLACK PARTY. Mardigrass style party in Malate. Google it for details, street party.
Cream Hallowen. Big Fish Manila. This is more elite event that can get sleazy, google bigfishmanila.
http://www.bigfishmanila.com/
ICON. Always has good dress up parties too.
Burgos. When else can you get sucked off by a zombie? Weird to see the girls in crazy costumes and scary make up, not my thing, done it once, thats enough.
I will be at Cream Hallowen.McDon,
Was this for Saturday or actual night of Halloween? Not sure because it's a weekday. I am landing at night on Halloween and wanted to see what kind of options there are. I'll probably be tired but just curious how and if most of the locals celebrate.
FreebieFan
10-31-12, 01:12
Koreans really do believe that they are the superior race. They act like this, and it shows in the Phils. Females are attracted to males who display superior power and authority.
"The whole world admires and envies us because of our racial purity. We are so unique"
"we are becoming world leaders precisely because we are a pure-race people: we shall never corrupt our blood"
Worth thinking about,
GKoreans are actually taught in school that Korea is the centre of the world. No joke.
Try walking down the streets of Seoul or Busan and the koreans have an amazing way of looking right through you as if you don't exist.
Of course the reason why the koreans want to be in Philippines or everywhere except Korea is that their country, and the people in it are the boring country I've visited (and I'm up to the 100 mark!). Apologies to the cool and normal koreans who may be posters here!
Sir Lancelot
10-31-12, 01:15
[Crossposted to Cebu forum too]
I had a 20 days of trip to Cebu, Bohol, Davao and Manila (Makati) and I had a great time.Great report.
Everybody who is a non-Filipino is a foreigner, including Koreans as well as caucasians, Indians, Chinese, Japanese etc, and they all have as much a "right" to visit the Philippines as anybody else. Use of terms like "infest" applies to all foreigners. I have heard filipinos say that AC is infested by (insert nationality).I would argue that koreans are not just any group of poreigners. You will never see a Filipino-Belgian police station, for instance. Or Filipino- (insert any other non-korean nationality) Police, including Filipino-Japanese. But the koreans sure do have their own police force already.
If the free market economy excludes the cheap charlies from low cost sex then there is nothing that can be done about it. If you can't beat them, join them. If you want the better lookers, you will have to outbid other punters whether in monetary terms, personality or appearance.I basically agree, only free markets don't dictate all world events. South korea is still technically at war. I'm amazed how the Americans year after year take care of South korea's defense so that the koreans themselves can focus more on interesting things, like trying to beat Apple. However, things can change. There are several more conflicts brewing in the area, and things can take unexpected turns, others than what free market economics would suggest or dictate. Just my 2 pesos.
Japan / Korea / Germany would have been the front lines if the Cold War had ever turned hot. Don't think for a minute that the US is just some benevolent country helping the world toward democracy and freedom. T.
In-fucking-deed. Whilst the Filipinos stuck with the US through thin and thinner in WWII the Koreans were torturing and murdering Allied POWs. The very same Allies who'd later liberate them from Japan and repel the red commie horde. Quite an injustice of the US building up Japan and Korea whilst not putting forth the same effort in the Philippines.
Great report.
Soapy Smith
10-31-12, 06:13
Koreans are actually taught in school that Korea is the centre of the world. No joke.
Try walking down the streets of Seoul or Busan and the koreans have an amazing way of looking right through you as if you don't exist.
Of course the reason why the koreans want to be in Philippines or everywhere except Korea is that their country, and the people in it are the boring country I've visited (and I'm up to the 100 mark!). Apologies to the cool and normal koreans who may be posters here!We teach American kids that they're the center of the earth, too. We call it "American exceptionalism."
I agree generally with the xenophobic characterization of Koreans-and of some other East Asians that come to mind. And I've had the same experience in Seoul of having average Koreans apparently look right through me. I've also had smiling school kids, seemingly on a field trip, line up and in unison announce loudly to me,"good morning" as I walked by them. And in Daegu, a smaller city than Seoul or Busan, I've had Koreans stare at me, seemingly out of curiosity, pretty much the way Filipinos sometimes do with Westerners.
And having worked closely professionally with a few Koreans, I've been taken into a few of their finest working girl (neat: ISG automatically replaces that naughty who.. word) houses, and they paid the tab, to the tune of perhaps 350, 000 to 400, 000 won for the girl, not to mention the karaoke room, drinks, food, and female attendants.
LukeSkywalker
10-31-12, 06:19
Japan, Korea, Taiwan are all paying the US big money for maintaining troops in their countries under mutual defense treaties. The US is not doing it for free.
The US should sign mutual defense treaties only with countries with the best-looking, sexiest and sluttiest girls, and just dump countries with ugly women. Under this new foreign policy, I know most ISG guys would quickly volunteer to join the US expeditionary forces.
Will fight tooth and nails for pussies.
Fredje1961
10-31-12, 09:35
There are several more conflicts brewing in the area, and things can take unexpected turns, others than what free market economics would suggest or dictate. Just my 2 pesos.Not to forget that it could be very convenient for the US to have a military presence not too far away from China and from a bunch of crazies with atomic bombs (in Pyongyang).
Anything special going on in Manilla during Halloween? Is there any places that is a must!
YG
Japan, Korea, Taiwan are all paying the US big money for maintaining troops in their countries under mutual defense treaties. The US is not doing it for free.
The US should sign mutual defense treaties only with countries with the best-looking, sexiest and sluttiest girls, and just dump countries with ugly women. Under this new foreign policy, I know most ISG guys would quickly volunteer to join the US expeditionary forces.
Will fight tooth and nails for pussies.The Japanese contribute close to if not 100 per cent. The Koreans don't. Most of Korea's contribution is in kind, meaning that some Korean workers on the base are paid by Korean gov't, Korean-made vehicles are contributed, etc. Moreover, the Yokosuka-based 7th Fleet, which has a large role in the defense of Korea, is funded by Japan. Ever think about the day-to-day cost of an aircraft carrier and its support ships? Beijing and Washington would both be staggered to learn that US forces are maintained in Taiwan. But your error brings up an interesting point. Though outnumbered and overpowered in almost every measure Taiwan has been able to maintain its "independence" and security since the US long departed. Why can't Korea do the heavy lifting on its own facing a much less potent foe?
The 60s and 70s must've been the heyday for US forces in lovely-lady land. Vietnam. Thailand. The Philippines. Now it's the Middle East and Afghanistan. *Shudder
Wicked Roger
10-31-12, 15:36
Anything special going on in Manilla during Halloween? Is there any places that is a must!
YGOn page 3. A start.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=1341734&viewfull=1#post1341734
Anyone have good contact info, email or number, for the hotel upstairs in Amazonia? I emailed their website but nothing.
Thanks,
JB
Manila Bay Cafe is just getting older and older by the minute! Paid a visit it to on my most recent trip and I just wasn't feeling any of the girls. They're all past their primes and asking for 2500 peso and up! Talk about a rip off! I recommend you just avoid Manila all together and go straight to Angeles asap if you're headed to the Philippines.
Stay Away,
YG
Member #4387
11-01-12, 16:55
Manila Bay Cafe is just getting older and older by the minute! Paid a visit it to on my most recent trip and I just wasn't feeling any of the girls. They're all past their primes and asking for 2500 peso and up! Talk about a rip off! I recommend you just avoid Manila all together and go straight to Angeles asap if you're headed to the Philippines.
Stay Away,
YGIt is all about subjectivity and personal preferences. You have quite a different impression than me about the MBC venue. I agree that there are far between the 9. 10 looking ladies but in the range from 6-8 there are quite a few and age I feel is somewhat balanced between young / old. Pricewice I never paid more than 2000Piso LT (if I remember correctly) and 1500 for ST. But maby the price have increased the last few weeks?
As for me I would recommend people to stay away from Angeles as I can not stand the BF sceene.
MBC for me is not to look up "Manilas finest" women. It is all about picking up a decent (sexwice) nice girl who is ready to jump into action on short notice, hehe. So I would recommend MBC and Manila as a whole for mongering action.
Sir Lancelot
11-01-12, 22:47
Manila Bay Cafe is just getting older and older by the minute! Paid a visit it to on my most recent trip and I just wasn't feeling any of the girls. They're all past their primes and asking for 2500 peso and up! Talk about a rip off! I recommend you just avoid Manila all together and go straight to Angeles asap if you're headed to the Philippines.
Stay Away,
YGAlthough I thought the talent at MBC had dropped since my previous visit (back in its LA Cafe days) there were still some treasures waiting to be found, especially one I nicknamed 'The Girl With The Spider Tattoo' who I saw with another customer one night and sadly never saw again. Take your time, have a few drinks, don't rush and you can find quality for sure. Have good game and you'll get good prices too. However, I do agree with your advice about going to Angeles. It's the 'Supermarket of Sex'. It has Lots more girls and is cheaper too.
Ps. Sadly everything is getting older and older by the minute.
Sir Lancelot
11-01-12, 22:53
Anyone have good contact info, email or number, for the hotel upstairs in Amazonia? I emailed their website but nothing.
Thanks,
JBI don't have it any more but on my last trip I took a business card from the front desk and then emailed them while I was in Palawan, telling them I'd like to reserve my favourite room. I didn't get a reply. I don't think you need to worry though as I've never failed to get a room there. When you get to the top of the stairs, try to get a room on the left corridor. The right hand side is above the road and you will definitely get woken in the morning by the traffic below. Some of the rooms are different sizes and some don't have natural daylight. Bear in mind this is not a luxury hotel and is also known as a short-time hotel. But what you get is convenience. It's a 30 second walk away from Manila Bay Cafe, so a perfect home for two or three nights. From the top of my head room 2 is the best.
LukeSkywalker
11-02-12, 07:36
It's true most MBC girls are older and not good-looking, some are outright ugly. They also have bad attitudes. They are spoiled by foreigners paying premiums for bad fucks.
I did pull a young MBC girl with tight sexy body for all night for Php 3000. She was new in the business and took me all over Manila like a GF. She was a GFE, DFK, bare back fucking, and she never seemed to have enough zsex. Would do her again.
Pulled a young girl from a Makati casa, all night for Php 4000. She was very good-looking, sweet, pretty face, smooth, soft, light skin, very civilized and polite, unlike the rough AC girls.
Have a cabbie take you to casas in Ermita and Makati. There should be plenty of young, fresh, glammy-looking girls, much better looking than those in MBC or Angeles City.
Girls in AC are just so crude and ugly. Manila has a lot more good-looking young girls. I would not spend the time and money going to AC. The selection and convenience in Manila is superb.
Also try DIA. Have the girls come to your hotel room. If they come to your room, they are open for sex, for pay or not. If the won't come to the hotel, meet them at a coffee shop nearby. Once they feel comfortable with you, they are more likely to go into the hotel.
Manila Bay Cafe is just getting older and older by the minute! Paid a visit it to on my most recent trip and I just wasn't feeling any of the girls. They're all past their primes and asking for 2500 peso and up! Talk about a rip off! I recommend you just avoid Manila all together and go straight to Angeles asap if you're headed to the Philippines.
Stay Away,
YG
Meet DIA girls at the Green belts in Makati, if they are not game for going back to the hotel with you for pelvic exercises, at least you have the Havana area right there and many right there that are game for a price.
No more than 3 KP
Also try DIA. Have the girls come to your hotel room. If they come to your room, they are open for sex, for pay or not. If the won't come to the hotel, meet them at a coffee shop nearby. Once they feel comfortable with you, they are more likely to go into the hotel.Mmmmmmmmmmm.
Are you sure? I have had several DIA girls come back to my hotel room and they baulked completely at sex. Best to be open in your DIA chatting about expectations.
Mmmmmmmmmmm.
Are you sure? I have had several DIA girls come back to my hotel room and they baulked completely at sex. Best to be open in your DIA chatting about expectations.My DIA profile is quite sexually explicit in what I'm looking for. I've dispensed with the relationship bunk. Not a hint of financial compensation. And we're meeting in my condo. No hope for an iced mocha latte at the mall first. Yet I'm frequently contacted by the girls, even those whose profiles mention LTR, marriage and God fearing. (Online right now with one "nice, simple God-fearing" girl who asked that I meet her at Havana Cafe. LOL. I feigned ignorance of the place so she's coming to my condo.) I'm pretty sure my profile is far more honest than theirs. Occasionally I'm scolded by some bible thumpers. I'm thinking of ways to save their souls. Years ago a Korean Christian gal "saved" me from the Moonies by screwing my brains out.
My DIA profile is quite sexually explicit in what I'm looking for. I've dispensed with the relationship bunk. Not a hint of financial compensation. And we're meeting in my condo. No hope for an iced mocha latte at the mall first. Yet I'm frequently contacted by the girls, even those whose profiles mention LTR, marriage and God fearing. (Online right now with one "nice, simple God-fearing" girl who asked that I meet her at Havana Cafe. LOL. I feigned ignorance of the place so she's coming to my condo.) I'm pretty sure my profile is far more honest than theirs. Occasionally I'm scolded by some bible thumpers. I'm thinking of ways to save their souls. Years ago a Korean Christian gal "saved" me from the Moonies by screwing my brains out.Here's an outstanding example of a response I just received:
"It's kinda difficult to compose a THOUGHTFUL reply to what you just said- very tantalizing, exhausting and yummy. Your sex narration makes me want to jump right through my laptop. It's like a tasty meal leaving me drooling. So, here's a thoughtful for you. I believe the secret to good sex is enjoying your own body. I like my body. I have perfect breasts, each one a nice firm but soft handful, set high and full against my ribcage; I have full-figured hips and waist but not mammoth size (I promise). Very comfortable, plus round, dimpled arms and legs. I have little love for my ass and you'll like it. So altogether I believe myself a regular, and knowing oneself to be an Aphrodite does wonders for one's performance in bed. But don't get me wrong. I'm not vain. Just stating a fact.
Blow jobs interest me. The very idea of a blow job deeply entices me. There is so much to a man's cock besides the taste of skin. To feel the soft flesh grow hot and stiff in my mouth is an instant of the most irrevocable power a woman can have over a man. There is the thin, silky texture of the shaft as your tongue slides over it, the soft, warm marshmallow of the head that quickly tightens into a hot, quivering ball when your lips close over it. In short? Cock, basically, tastes pretty damn good. Let it never be said that I give a sloppy blow job!
I'm 28 and petite. Sometimes people think I'm still in my teens because of my voice. But I'm mature and cute. Haha. That's very mature. I'm a professional. Work consumes me but I'm happy. And because of that, evening relaxations are best for me. I hope to hear from you soon."
Is she a 10 in looks? More like a 7, but with a winning attitude like that she tops the scales.
Mmmmmmmmmmm.
Are you sure? I have had several DIA girls come back to my hotel room and they baulked completely at sex. Best to be open in your DIA chatting about expectations.None of my DIA girls baulked at giving me sex. Had a bible thumper in Manila. 18 year old in cebu, two friends together in Manila, One sweatheart in Cebu, Two more one nighters in Manila.
18 year old girl was uncomfortable in the begining but once got going was good in bed. Bible thumper ofcourse gave me a lecture in morality but luckily it did not include morality in bed. She was horny in hell and would fuck me continously. She even said she will fix me up with her virgin cousin from Mindanao.
Two friends in Manila are the only ones who wanted to meet at mall of Asia. I figured they want to see me first before they make their mind up. It did not take long and I had good fun with both.
All the others never even objected to sex.
Over the years I must have had atleast 50 DIA girls and none I met refused sex. There are some whom I wanted to meet but they dropped out because I would not promise them long time relationship.
My girls are in 18-23 range and generally without any children. Ofcourse some lied and in the room said they had one kid when I said pussy is not tight.
None had any kind of smell. All fresh and tasty. Generally I do not go down on all.
Some do blow jobs not all unlike bargirls who start with a BJ.
Ofcourse on chatting need to talk about sex. My best conquests are when I am actually in Philippines and messaged them saying I am looking for company. Did not chat with them only texting them. Never saw them oin cam but turned out to be beautifull exactlky like the pic on their profile. Even the girls who initially said they will not have sex with me ended up having sex.
You guys haggling about who pays or does not pay for a US presence in East Asia just have no concept of strategy. Start thinking seriously about this stuff.
For the US to have a strategic base in South Korea, right next door to North Korea and China is priceless. Same for US bases in Japan and Taiwan. Puts major fighting and supply assets within close striking range of Russia, China, N Korea, the whole northern Pacific.
Wow.
G
The Japanese contribute close to if not 100 per cent. The Koreans don't. Most of Korea's contribution is in kind, meaning that some Korean workers on the base are paid by Korean gov't, Korean-made vehicles are contributed, etc. Moreover, the Yokosuka-based 7th Fleet, which has a large role in the defense of Korea, is funded by Japan. Ever think about the day-to-day cost of an aircraft carrier and its support ships? Beijing and Washington would both be staggered to learn that US forces are maintained in Taiwan. But your error brings up an interesting point. Though outnumbered and overpowered in almost every measure Taiwan has been able to maintain its "independence" and security since the US long departed. Why can't Korea do the heavy lifting on its own facing a much less potent foe?
The 60s and 70s must've been the heyday for US forces in lovely-lady land. Vietnam. Thailand. The Philippines. Now it's the Middle East and Afghanistan. *Shudder
Clickerman
11-02-12, 20:58
It looks like your girlfriend did some cut and pasting.
http://www.rulit.net/books/best-of-asian-erotica-volume-1-read-224547-2.html
Here's an outstanding example of a response I just received:
Blow jobs interest me. The very idea of a blow job deeply entices me. There is so much to a man's cock besides the taste of skin. To feel the soft flesh grow hot and stiff in my mouth is an instant of the most irrevocable power a woman can have over a man. There is the thin, silky texture of the shaft as your tongue slides over it, the soft, warm marshmallow of the head that quickly tightens into a hot, quivering ball when your lips close over it. In short? Cock, basically, tastes pretty damn good. Let it never be said that I give a sloppy blow job!
I'm 28 and petite. Sometimes people think I'm still in my teens because of my voice. But I'm mature and cute. Haha. That's very mature. I'm a professional. Work consumes me but I'm happy. And because of that, evening relaxations are best for me. I hope to hear from you soon."
Is she a 10 in looks? More like a 7, but with a winning attitude like that she tops the scales.
Gents I have a problem.
I arrive Manila in mid-December and have about 48 hours solo before I have to head south to meet up with family. What to do? Stay in Manila, which I am familiar with, and tear it up? Was last there in 2010. Or head to Angeles? Or even Subic? Haven't been to either since my Navy days but have good memories!
Suggestions? Recommendations? Help me out here. Wish I had this dilemma all the time!
JB.
*will also post this on the AC and Subic threads.
Key Master
11-03-12, 06:34
It's true most MBC girls are older and not good-looking, some are outright ugly. They also have bad attitudes. They are spoiled by foreigners paying premiums for bad fucks.
I did pull a young MBC girl with tight sexy body for all night for Php 3000. She was new in the business and took me all over Manila like a GF. She was a GFE, DFK, bare back fucking, and she never seemed to have enough zsex. Would do her again.
Pulled a young girl from a Makati casa, all night for Php 4000. She was very good-looking, sweet, pretty face, smooth, soft, light skin, very civilized and polite, unlike the rough AC girls.
Have a cabbie take you to casas in Ermita and Makati. There should be plenty of young, fresh, glammy-looking girls, much better looking than those in MBC or Angeles City.
Girls in AC are just so crude and ugly. Manila has a lot more good-looking young girls. I would not spend the time and money going to AC. The selection and convenience in Manila is superb.
Also try DIA. Have the girls come to your hotel room. If they come to your room, they are open for sex, for pay or not. If the won't come to the hotel, meet them at a coffee shop nearby. Once they feel comfortable with you, they are more likely to go into the hotel.Treasures can definitely be found in MBC, but I think that the hunt can be more difficult in Manila over AC in terms of volume and convenience. I have had my best experiences with the finds that I have had in Manila though bar none. But I can run dry at times where I struggle to find these treasures. It's up and down for me and sometimes it's just easier to be in AC for the convenience. I don't know about the casas necessarily having such premiere talent, but I have taken from the casas and they have always been good in the sack. I think you should be able to get most casa women for 3k and not the 4k. The driver probably pocketed an extra 1k from his normal kick. I have tried to get it down to 2. 5k but have been unsuccessful in my attempts at the casas.
In regards to people going to compare the amount the women may cost in MBC or otherwise in Manila compared to a typical barfine of 1800 in Angeles, I do think that the search for these women when you pay for lady drinks should be considered in the costs. If you start adding it up, the outlay is comparable. The volume and convenience is a plus for AC. Manila / Makati has some variety to mix things up but for mongering, it's definitely more of a hunt.
In regards to the Havana being a backup plan, personally for me, I'd rather go to MBC over Havana. Most of the women at Havana are quite a bit older and nothing special in terms of looks. There is the occasional looker there but the numbers there to me don't work.
Gents I have a problem.
I arrive Manila in mid-December and have about 48 hours solo before I have to head south to meet up with family. What to do? Stay in Manila, which I am familiar with, and tear it up? Was last there in 2010. Or head to Angeles? Or even Subic? Haven't been to either since my Navy days but have good memories!48 hours. Assume with bulky luggage from overseas?
MNL Airport . MNL hotel: 1 hour travel to and forth, predicable tieming, leaves you 46 hours to monger.
MNL Airport. AC: 3. 6 hours travel, time can be unpredictable, if by cab 5000 Peso rtn, leaves you max 40 hours but in worse case only 36 hours mongering.
MNL Airport. Subic: 4. 7 hours travel, same as AC, if by cab 6000 Peso rtn, leaves you in worse case 34 hours mongering.
Quality and fun factor? Stress relief after a long flight lazing on a floating bar with a couple of girls on the side calls for Subic.
It looks like your girlfriend did some cut and pasting.
http://www.rulit.net/books/best-of-asian-erotica-volume-1-read-224547-2.htmlTricky little vixen. I'll have to share that with her. Afterwards.
Gents I have a problem.
I arrive Manila in mid-December and have about 48 hours solo before I have to head south to meet up with family. What to do? Stay in Manila, which I am familiar with, and tear it up? Was last there in 2010. Or head to Angeles? Or even Subic? Haven't been to either since my Navy days but have good memories!
Suggestions? Recommendations? Help me out here. Wish I had this dilemma all the time!
JB.
*will also post this on the AC and Subic threads.Just my opinion. AC for 36 hours is multiple times better than Manila for 48. You can do more in a short time for less money and have a LOT better selection.
It looks like your girlfriend did some cut and pasting.
http://www.rulit.net/books/best-of-asian-erotica-volume-1-read-224547-2.htmlNice find Clickerman.
You obviously felt, like me, that such literary skills are unlikely to be part of a dating site girl's repertoire. However, since my days in academia are over, I lack the software that you clearly have for identifying such rampant plagiarism.
I hope Hutsori spanks her well for being so nawty.
Nice find Clickerman.
You obviously felt, like me, that such literary skills are unlikely to be part of a dating site girl's repertoire. However, since my days in academia are over, I lack the software that you clearly have for identifying such rampant plagiarism.
I hope Hutsori spanks her well for being so nawty.Don't need specialized software. Copy and paste a sentence or two into google and hit search. I failed to do my due diligence. Had I done so I still wouldn't have been dissuaded in accepting her generous offer. She has spunk, and soon enough she'll have a mouthful of it too. Alas, she'll be at my place in 90 minutes, and since my DIA profile is explicit in what I want, and she agreed, I've dispensed with the time wasting wooing. Of course there are many who prefer the meetings and discussions and mall wandering; as we have read the payoff still eludes them. Being frank in either your profile or your correspondence minimizes this risk.
Happy hunting to all, and to all a good night.
Having a base in Seoul is like putting bait out for a fisherman. It's like school kids daring someone to cross a line. It's like putting cheese out for the rats. Look at what the famous General Eisenhowser said about the Military Industrial Complex and.
OMG, this is a website for talk about sex. Can we please get back to the point. If I want a history lesson, I'll go to the library. LOL.
You guys haggling about who pays or does not pay for a US presence in East Asia just have no concept of strategy. Start thinking seriously about this stuff.
For the US to have a strategic base in South Korea, right next door to North Korea and China is priceless. Same for US bases in Japan and Taiwan. Puts major fighting and supply assets within close striking range of Russia, China, N Korea, the whole northern Pacific.
Wow.
G
For noobies,
When trying to leave the Philippines, you're going to have to pay a 550 Peso Fee. Before, you could only pay it with Pesos are US dollars. Now, the Manila Airport is also accepting Visa and Mastercard.
YG
MadisonGuy
11-05-12, 18:49
Are there no places like the girl bars in AC in the Manila area? I've been to MBC and I do prefer that but sometimes I just need a quick in and out because my girlfriend will most likely be on me like a hawk. If not are there any cheap MPs?
Radical Guy
11-05-12, 20:26
Are there no places like the girl bars in AC in the Manila area? I've been to MBC and I do prefer that but sometimes I just need a quick in and out because my girlfriend will most likely be on me like a hawk. If not are there any cheap MPs?I'd be happy to take your girlfriend to a hotel, so you'll have time to get away. Don't worry, I'll take my time with her, so you'll have plenty of opportunity to check out the bars. LOL (just kidding)
RG
If you've read back a bit you'll find references to Burgos in Makati and EDSA Entertainment (near Mall of Asia). The woman are usually far better looking that AC and the prices are far uglier.
Are there no places like the girl bars in AC in the Manila area? I've been to MBC and I do prefer that but sometimes I just need a quick in and out because my girlfriend will most likely be on me like a hawk. If not are there any cheap MPs?
FreebieFan
11-06-12, 01:35
Of course there are many who prefer the meetings and discussions and mall wandering; as we have read the payoff still eludes them. Being frank in either your profile or your correspondence minimizes this risk.
Happy hunting to all, and to all a good night.The mall wandering. Have to laugh at this phrase.
Yes you see poor fellows wandering around (being dragged around is actually how it looks) malls in Manila.
If the girl is hot and hes a overweigh chappie, then you know she's going to get all the shopping done that she wants.
If the girl isn't hot and he doesn't have game, you know hes thinking " how can I get her to a motel without her noticing.".
Either way, they just wander aimlesly around and around.
Actually the funniest sights are when you see a western woman, usually the one who has expanded, with western hubbie in tow.
Hes usually in better shape.
Woman is watching the man endlessly to see if hes looking at the hotties on parade.
Man has the 1000 metre stare perfected so he can say to his wife " hot girl in micro shorts smiling at me?". No honey, I didn't quite see that.
I walk the malls frequently for exercise only. They're airconditioned and no rain inside them. Doesn't really matter if there are FLs at the mall as my gf is upstairs at the condo anyway. I've seen many horndogs sitting at the outside perimiters of the coffee / bakeries in the morning, obviously looking. How embarrassing. I wouln't do that for a minute as my gf is upstairs in the condo anyway. I've always flyed well under the radar. I don't like morning sex anyway.
MadisonGuy
11-06-12, 03:18
How about best bang for the buck hotel? I like diamond and new world but I'm going to try to waste less money on the hotel and more on partying and shopping. I hate paying the same for a hotel in manila as I do in Chicago, just doesn't seem right.
How about best bang for the buck hotel? I like diamond and new world but I'm going to try to waste less money on the hotel and more on partying and shopping. I hate paying the same for a hotel in manila as I do in Chicago, just doesn't seem right.St. Giles is a good hotel that I usually stay at. It's super close to Greenbelt Mall and Burgos street. Also, almost half the price of those 2 hotels. The rooms are nice and clean as well. A lot of businessmen stay at St. Giles.
YG
For noobies,
When trying to leave the Philippines, you're going to have to pay a 550 Peso Fee. Before, you could only pay it with Pesos are US dollars. Now, the Manila Airport is also accepting Visa and Mastercard.
YGLast month I noticed what you stated above in Terminal 1. In Terminal 3 (Cebu Pacific etc) seems that any tickets purchased after August have the airport fee included and you no longer have to stop and pay at the booth. Those who had tickets purchased prior to some date in August still had to stop. Perhaps one day they will fix it for international tickets in Terminal 1.
When trying to leave the Philippines, you're going to have to pay a 550 Peso Fee.If I remember correctly, they have reduced it in Clark to 350ps or so.
Cheers!
Last month I noticed what you stated above in Terminal 1. In Terminal 3 (Cebu Pacific etc) seems that any tickets purchased after August have the airport fee included and you no longer have to stop and pay at the booth. Those who had tickets purchased prior to some date in August still had to stop. Perhaps one day they will fix it for international tickets in Terminal 1.What really sucks for me is, I like to use Manila as a stop before I hit Thailand or some other country to the West of the Philippines. So I have to pay for that fee twice! Once when I leave the Philippines for Thailand and once on my way home!
Let's summarize: We can walk at malls and they are air conditioned. The gf is somewhere up above the mall, apparently in a condo. You somehow feel that it is embarrassing for others to sit in the mall and people watch.
What exactly is the point?
I walk the malls frequently for exercise only. They're airconditioned and no rain inside them. Doesn't really matter if there are FLs at the mall as my gf is upstairs at the condo anyway. I've seen many horndogs sitting at the outside perimiters of the coffee / bakeries in the morning, obviously looking. How embarrassing. I wouln't do that for a minute as my gf is upstairs in the condo anyway. I've always flyed well under the radar. I don't like morning sex anyway.
To late to do an EDIT, but I meant to type,". Far better looking than at AC.". Sorry for the confusion.
If you've read back a bit you'll find references to Burgos in Makati and EDSA Entertainment (near Mall of Asia). The woman are usually far better looking that AC and the prices are far uglier.
Cheers, mate. It was still 550 when I left there recently.
If I remember correctly, they have reduced it in Clark to 350ps or so.
Cheers!
Wicked Roger
11-06-12, 18:53
Last month I noticed what you stated above in Terminal 1. In Terminal 3 (Cebu Pacific etc) seems that any tickets purchased after August have the airport fee included and you no longer have to stop and pay at the booth. Those who had tickets purchased prior to some date in August still had to stop. Perhaps one day they will fix it for international tickets in Terminal 1.This is for tickets orginating in Manila. If you buy ticket elsewhere you still pay a 200 pesos domestic terminal fee if travelling. This is truly a waste of time and should be included in all tickets as I can't quite see where this fee goes as certainly not into improving NAIA 1.
Hopefully this fee mess will be sorted soon but I take nothing for granted in this country.
Internationally it is 550 pesos for non pinoys / pinays and if with a pinay she pays and additional 1600 pesos (on top of the 550) as she is a Filipina and the government love to charge their own to leave their own country. Its fun in the Philippines LOL
Wicked Roger
11-06-12, 18:58
Let's summarize: We can walk at malls and they are air conditioned. The gf is somewhere up above the mall, apparently in a condo. You somehow feel that it is embarrassing for others to sit in the mall and people watch.
What exactly is the point?Slippery. This is an odd post IMHO in that you walk the malls to get fit (OK that happens in the UAE but the temperatures in summer far exceed Manila) , and the gf is in the condo when you do this (why not accompany you or you emarassed by her company while walking the malls?). So why not exercise in the condo gym (if you have one) or sexercise with the gf. If you get bored call me or XMan as am sure we will be happy see her while you walk the malls. Take along wlak if she is cute LOL.
Why is it embarassing to sit in the malls drink coffee and watch the eye candy. This is done the world over by both genders. You never know if you did, you may find a partner for the gf also (I certainly would have that in mind. But them my mind is a tad warped at times LOL)
So you are not a horndog but you FR on ISG?
PolyOrchid
11-06-12, 20:31
I don't like morning sex anyway.But morning sex has been proven to extend your life by at least 6.69 years.
Hahahaha I can take the ribbing. Maybe its my judeo-chrstian upbringing (which I've failed at miserably sometimes). Like I'm not checking ass out during those walks? The first thing I do after the gf leaves to go visit family is to go visit some of the ermita / malate bars. Hardly the general population I'm visiting with at those places but everybody knows what everybody is there for. Maybe being around the general population while horndogging is a bit too open and obvious for this corn fed midwesterner. And that reminds me. Time to go vote.
It's settled then. I'm going to AC for about 36 hours of heaven on earth!
Arrive Manila 9pm on the 13th. Should be in AC by midnight. No checked bags! Staying at Wild Orchid. Another question for the committee. Top 3 bars to hit? I know I'll be tired, but want to make a run at it and find some companionship to help with my jet lag.
Anyone in town on the 14th and wants to meet up for a beer, I'll buy. PM me.
Cheers,
JB.
Gents I have a problem.
I arrive Manila in mid-December and have about 48 hours solo before I have to head south to meet up with family. What to do? Stay in Manila, which I am familiar with, and tear it up? Was last there in 2010. Or head to Angeles? Or even Subic? Haven't been to either since my Navy days but have good memories!
Suggestions? Recommendations? Help me out here. Wish I had this dilemma all the time!
JB.
*will also post this on the AC and Subic threads.
It's settled then. I'm going to AC for about 36 hours of heaven on earth!
Arrive Manila 9pm on the 13th. Should be in AC by midnight. No checked bags! Staying at Wild Orchid. Another question for the committee. Top 3 bars to hit? I know I'll be tired, but want to make a run at it and find some companionship to help with my jet lag.
Anyone in town on the 14th and wants to meet up for a beer, I'll buy. PM me.
Cheers,
JB.There is no top 3 bars to hit. Every monger is different and so everyone has different tastes! I might find one girl gorgeous and you might find her ugly! I may like big bars like Atlantis and some may like small bars on side streets.
Just explore!
YG
Starchild2012
11-08-12, 12:01
Here is my Manila Trip report. Hope it would be useful.
My Cebu trip did not go well as planned [read the report in Cebu Thread], So I moved to Manila and the nightmare began. I don't know what changed in these nine months, everyone seems to have become a zombie or I changed my perception and became a zombie myself.
Nightmare No. 1.
The moment I landed in airport, the security took me to the corner and started asking for money and blatantly told I might be carrying drugs. I told them to check my bags, but was afraid as I had some pills of V and C left behind, luckily they did not go over to the pouch on the side. The guy was looking for a hand out.
TIP.
Do not wear good clothes and bags. I was told, I have a good bag, so I must be carrying something expensive. Wear bad shirts and pants to avoid detection. Sorry to be discriminatory but if you are black guy, expect 90% of the time to be stopped at the airport. I saw this multiple times.
Nightmare No. 2.
I had booked a condo in Emar suites Mandaluyong for one year rental and gave advance payment. The guy ran away with the money. I had to file a police case of Estafa / swindling against the guy. I went to Mandaluyong city hall and Makati police station and they all want money to begin the investigation. Apparently, another girl too was conned by the rental scam and she is now pursuing the case as now I'm back in India, I was lucky to take his voters I'd scan and now he is been pursued. I have no hope of getting the money back but atleast if the guy is caught I would be happy. The guy said he works in a call center and was renting his uncle apartment and was very polite and decent but turned out to be long con artist. Be careful of this guy Norlito Lachica if you ever encounter as they target tourist renting condos in Manila.
The condo admin were totally indifferent to me as it seems they were trying best to hide my case so that Emar Suites does not get a bad rep. I got to see how the government functions in Philippines and it was same back home and was really scary.
It looks good as long as you are fuucking in the Philippines but for even once the tables are turned and you got fuucked. Its a long big fuuck thats painful and scary and impossible to get out from.
TIP.
Be careful of condo renting as you would never know who is with whom, make sure you rent with some one you know. No body can be trusted, once your money is gone, the condo admin become indifferent as if you did not exist. I was the victim but treated as a criminal.
Nightmare No 3.
Just to flush out bad times, I went to EDSA cotton club. Got drunk and was handed over a inflated bill. Paid anyways, Barfined a girl, took her to hotel and in the morning, all my money gone in the purse. Complained to the mamasan, promised heaven, delivered nothing. I could not complain to the police as already the condo rental case was going on. So did not wanted this trouble as well.
TIP.
If you get even a bit tipsy and are alone, they scavenge you with inflated bill. Do not get too drunk and bar fine a girl from EDSA. I came to know this later from a PH marine guy, that many girls from there have similar cases against Japanese men as well. I know these are basic mongering 101 tips to be careful when alone in bar, guess I got too trusted with my past experience in EDSA.
Nightmare No. 4.
Most of the girls as in Cebu I met were from Ghetto in cupid and DIA. This time I wanted to survey where these girls really lived, I dated 20+ girls and barring few all lived in deep squatter where you would require armed guards protection at night to go there. They live in filth and when they come out, take a bath, wear nice clothes and suddenly becomes the hip hop crowd BUT deep inside, there ghettoness, cheapness shows.
I wanted to know the cheapness of these girls and they did not disappoint me. The free-loaders they are continues to amaze me. Its all outside fashion and beauty, really deep inside its all fake. Well, I don't expect much being an Indian to get a good girl. But this was too much. The girls are just too cheap and their friends cheaper too. They have no shame tagging along with the date and then ordering expensive foods and eating shamelessly. Their whole aim in life is to go out in mall, eat, have fun on another persons expense. They have no respect at all.
TIP.
Many would already know, but now these girls are inventing new tricks. Filipina Mind Tricks. They will tell you, they are in Marikina outskirts of city and if you send them money, they will come in taxi. They will show their parts on cam for you to get excited and when you do send money for taxi, they never show up.
The way to test them is just tell them, you will be sending the hotel taxi to their place and you will pay the fare once they come back to your hotel. 90% won't reply after that as their scam is out. I knew this game from last year and was pissed already, so made a girl run twice to Western union giving her fake control number. This is the way to teach these scum low lifes. If a girl asks for money, just play along and send her fake WU control number and in the mean time, asking her to show on cam. Hahaha.
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Good times no. 1.
Dated an Iranian girl who is doing dentistry course. She was not cheap and paid for her own drinks, even when insisted and was decent and she itself said she don't date Filipinos as they are cheap. I knew what she meant. Free-loaders.
Good times no. 2.
Dated a Swedish girl but was 30+ and kinda felt like a left over from you guys in the west. Hahaha. She had loads of money it seems but was kinda overused left over no body wants me so lets find an Indian guy type of deal.
Good times no. 3.
Had a threesome with good decent girls but they cover their track so well, don't know if they were ghetto or from good family background.
Good times no. 4.
Banged a super hot model Chinese-Filipina mix on a visit to Manila. Only girl that I'm still in touch with but paid heavily more than 15+k on her expensive clothes and dinner, it was just one of my fantasy to date a filipina model, I examined all her pics and bio before sealing the deal. It was just a big ego boost nothing special next day. Lighter on the wallet and feeling more stupider than before. Don't do it.
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I wanted to stay for long term but the condo scam and pursuing investigation got me scared, as I was told cops would ask lot of money to get the case on my side, they now know my details and could put me on false charges etc.
Conclusion:
The taxi scams were low compared to last time, if you are forceful, talk loud and threaten to get out of the taxi, they turn on the meter. About 80% of the taxi ride, I did not had any problem.
Compared to last time, The girls quality have gone up, even if they are ghetto types, the quality of girls were higher than last time but drama equally more, like coming with cousin or friend, meeting in a mall first and getting to know each other thingy's seems to have increased.
Its easier as ever to get laid in Manila not so in Cebu due to population. However, one new experience I had was with the law and it does not look good at all. As long as you have money, its heaven, once the money runs out, better choose which floor you going to jump from. No body will care, most of these filipina girl friends you would meet in DIA would disappear once you short on money and forget about any HELP from them. They are just leech freeloader good for Fuuck and nothing much.
I'm not sure, if I would come back soon. I'm kinda used to Filipina Puusy now. I would better try Ukraine or Russia or German FKK for some change. It gets boring. But for a new trip, I would need to save more, so another year wait before I could step out of India.
Thanks for the reading the report. I hope it was helpful for your next trip.
Wicked Roger
11-08-12, 12:31
Starchild.
Based on the litany of FRs all damning PI and everything in the country, just stay where you are. Plenty girls in Cebu (well everywhere) but being wasted does not help you (or anyone) so TIP. Don't drink when you monger.
I truly cannot see how your visits here are so bad albeit entertaining reading. What do you do to attract attention as I have never been asked by anyone for cash at NAIA and the new Immigration guy is super tough am told so he won't allow this, and am told has CCTV everywhere. So I would reassess what you are doing, the body language etc.
I wear good clothes (yes am white) but am never hassled. Now if you dress like a hippy then I have seen those peopelebe stopped for longer.
Please don't go on again about colour as my Indian friends who visit PI regularly have no hassles with any of the issues you mention in any of your posts. One in fact gets very nice college girls and never trawls ghettos for them. Again what are doing to attract all this unwanted attention?
Maybe am a tad amazed at your constant hammering of all thing PI. It is not perfect but if you dress well, don't get wasted, are / polite and keep head down etc people won't bother you. Now if you dress like one of our long departed members in bling or the real stuff and want to act like Puff Daddy in MBC. You will be noticed.
Just my bit.
Your willingness to judge people harshly based on their poverty may be part of the problem. But, sorry to hear you had some bad luck on your trip. X.
SNIP.
Most of the girls as in Cebu I met were from Ghetto in cupid and DIA. This time I wanted to survey where these girls really lived, I dated 20+ girls and barring few all lived in deep squatter where you would require armed guards protection at night to go there. They live in filth and when they come out, take a bath, wear nice clothes and suddenly becomes the hip hop crowd BUT deep inside, there ghettoness, cheapness shows.
SNIP
GoodEnough
11-08-12, 14:47
I've just read Starchild's post with, not disbelief exactly, but a growing sense of amazement at his naivete. I've lived here now for almost ten years, rented a couple of houses, interacted with government agencies at all levels, and have never come close to the same sorts of negative experiences. Yes, this is a corrupt place and I've no doubt that he was telling the truth, but a little prudence and common sense goes a long way toward immunizing yourself from the most common scams. In the case of the apartment for example, would it not have been simply smarter to have gotten a recommendation for a reputable real estate agent from a longer term expatriate? That's what I did and I've never come close to being scammed. As far as the lady who made off with his cash, how many warnings have been posted on this site alone about locking up all valuables before allowing anyone you don't know into your room? It's a simple precaution and I would have thought that anyone who is not a complete newbie would have exercised it.
As to the "ghetto" mentality of the women, what the hell did he expect? This is a poor country. People struggle to subsist. Where could these girls possibly have acquired the Polish, the knowlege and the savoir faire normally associated with people who have grown up in more affluent surroundings? I agree with WR in that I don't know what this should provide a basis for scorn. The fact is, if you want to catch more sophisticated women, you need to fish in a different sort of pond. Most richer, more well educated women don't hang out on DIA hoping to become the sexual playthings of foreigners with overstuffed wallets.
I repeat a contention that I've asserted many times previously: it's possible to create a nice life here, and to do so to a standard that may not be affordable in one's home country. But to do this, you need to utilize common sense, and prudence, and you need to lose some of the arrogance and take the time to cultivate local relationships with people who can help you avoid the more common pitfalls.
GE
Starchild
Your going to get flamed, WTF did you expect, I been to India and I will never return there. Yet I lived in Cebu in the areas you talk about with the girls you say are freeloaders and I love it here, there is nothing wrong with the place it is you that has the problem, do not come back here you are not smart enough to live here.
All you post shows what not to do even paying 15k for pussy is dumb. I remember reading your Cebu post going WTF, and now this proves you are not the person to come here they will eat you alive.
Any one who reads your post should relise Asian are not dumb and they are only poor here due to the peso value. You got plaid I know some smart indians here and some dumb ones like any race there are some dumb ones that should stay at home.
Get a wife your mom picks for you, as any Asian girl is going to own you and your family.
Oh another thing are you that drunk Indian guy I saw in Cebu staggering from girl to girl , everything hanging out , acting like your shit did not stink, as your last post I am sure it was you.
Here is my Manila Trip report. Hope it would be useful.
My Cebu trip did not go well as plannedYikes, Starchild, sorry to hear of your trip was not so good. By comparison I spent last month visiting Manila (Makati and Malate twice) , Ho Chi Minh City (working) , Kuala Lumpur, Angeles City and Cebu. Here is my report, guys. I don't have time to segregate into their respective threads so, relax, thread Nazis.
Malate: MBC, Amazonia and Butterfly Bar continue to be hit and miss with an occasional jewel. Found one with 36E cups in Amazonia who sucked like a hoover although she was certainly overweight. Did two DIAs girls there: one was great and the other not so.
Makati: the Burgos girls have gotten even greedier IMO. I barfined one from Ivory Club who although cute was not a good service provider. Small sample, for sure, but I may opt to pass on Burgos in the future for AC and Cebu, where the girls are friendlier and cheaper, IMO. I've yet to go to Havana Cafe, tho, because I'm generally not a late night guy.
AC: lots of cuties and quite inexpensive. Met a DIA girl there, too, who was terrific. They are delighted with 500 or 1000P and appreciate it if you take them out for breakfast or dinner. I always bring a variety of 32, 34, 36 and 38 C, D and DD cup bras with me to give the girls as gifts because they have trouble finding their size in the PI. It is a great way to get them to pose for you as a prelude to our nefariously delightful hobby. Met a sweet busty girl outside one of the clubs she worked at she.
Got fired for because one of her coworkers squealed on her for not getting barfined after she got off work. She's so cute she won't have trouble getting a job elsewhere. We went karaoke at the mall and had a blast. Then went back to Orchid Inn and fucked like minks for several hours. Orchid, BTW has the NFL package and will play reruns of games if you ask the manager. Cute bartenders, too. Definitely stay there again.
Had another DIA girl who confessed she was transexual so I promptly dropped her. Then there were the three hotties aforementioned in the AC thread from Players Club who I regrettably never got to barfine but hope some lucky stud did. I'll post some photos of them when I have some time.
Cebu: Took a previous DIA girl with huge tits to Ocean Bay Resort in Dalaguete two hours south of Cebu. Nice place with a great pool. Nothing else to do but fuck which was fine with me. Had three other DIA girls in Cebu, two of which were outstanding! One was 23, slim and stacked, no kids, and I was her first white guy so she says and I believe it because her snatch was so tight she screamed (and I'm not huge. Just average). Will definitely see this cute little vixen again. Sorry, guys, I'm keeping this one for myself.
Ho Chi Minh: Vietnamese girls, by contrast, are very cute but few speak English. They have Blow and Go barber shops with some cuties that will do the deed for $15. Massage parlors slightly more expensive especially in the hotels. For overnight action I go to a bar called Apocalypse Now with freelancers. The good looking ones want $100 for overnight! I did it only because it as my last night there and she was hot as hell. Stacked, too. Great service even though it is quite expensive for Vietnam.
Kuala Lumpur: first time there and never made to the infamous Beach Club opting instead for two days with a DIA cutie who happened to be a real sweet Filipina with regular job there. She took off work and was my tour guide to Petronas Towers, KL Tower, China Town, malls, etc. And we had a blast. Banged her 6 times in two days and she gave me two, long BJs and massages. What a treat! Definitely see this one again. Malaysia, however, is very humid.
Well that's it guys. 25 different girls in 25 days. Don't have time to detail each one but they're in my personal notes and pics as permanent memories. Not bad for a 57-year old, slightly overweight yet health conscious American single white professor.
Oh one more thing: the San Miguel Lemon beer is delicious IMO. As the commercial says, stay thirsty and happy horndogging, my friends. I love SEA!
WestCoast1
11-08-12, 15:22
Here is my Manila Trip report. Hope it would be useful.
My Cebu trip did not go well as planned [read the report in Cebu Thread], So I moved to Manila and the nightmare began. I don't know what changed in these nine months, everyone seems to have become a zombie or I changed my perception and became a zombie myself.
Nightmare No. 1.It's like reading a textbook."Every Mistake a New Idiot Should Maketh Not." A year ago some gent wrote in with a similar analysis of Phils, but at least he was a newb.
Good times no. 1.
Dated an Iranian girl who is doing dentistry course. She was not cheap and paid for her own drinks, even when insisted and was decent and she itself said she don't date Filipinos as they are cheap. I knew what she meant. Free-loaders.
Good times no. 2.
Dated a Swedish girl but was 30+ and kinda felt like a left over from you guys in the west. Hahaha. She had loads of money it seems but was kinda overused left over no body wants me so lets find an Indian guy type of deal.
Good times no. 3.
Had a threesome with good decent girls but they cover their track so well, don't know if they were ghetto or from good family background.
Good times no. 4.
Banged a super hot model Chinese-Filipina mix on a visit to Manila. Only girl that I'm still in touch with but paid heavily more than 15+k on her expensive clothes and dinner, it was just one of my fantasy to date a filipina model, I examined all her pics and bio before sealing the deal. It was just a big ego boost nothing special next day. Lighter on the wallet and feeling more stupider than before. Don't do it.You had all these good times in Phils? Same visit?
Bottom line is starchild should be banned from mongering!
Fast Eddie 48
11-08-12, 19:39
Cheers, mate. It was still 550 when I left there recently.To D cup.
The current Dep tax for clark international is 450 PHP and 150 PHP for domestic fly out to Bangkok last month with Seaair, all airport in PI have different dep tax smaller airport for a Domestic flight is less than 100 php.
Fast eddie 48
Sir Lancelot
11-08-12, 20:16
Just to flush out bad times, I went to EDSA cotton club. Got drunk and was handed over a inflated bill. Paid anyways, Barfined a girl, took her to hotel and in the morning, all my money gone in the purse. Complained to the mamasan, promised heaven, delivered nothing. I could not complain to the police as already the condo rental case was going on. So did not wanted this trouble as well.Firstly, thanks for at least taking time to write a report. It's important to read about the negatives as well as the positives on this forum. But don't take this the wrong way, you had LOTS of negatives.
Some of them I think could have been avoided with a bit more common sense (for example, paying up front for the condo, leaving valuables in your room etc) but others left me scratching my head. On the one hand you knew you were overcharged in EDSA and yet you paid anyway (?). Is that the same person who was emboldened enough to return next day to complain to the mamasan about the girl?
I've seen you a few times on this site and it seems you have lots of negative experiences. It can't just be bad luck. Maybe you need to analyse things subjectively. Maybe it's the way you dress? The way you speak to people? The way you try to resolve issues? Maybe it's the way you act or the way you flash the cash? When I've been mongering I've seen people acting in such a way they may as well have 'beginner' stamped on their forehead. Girls will always try it on with those types. I'm not being judgemental, I just assume there's more to this than meets the eye. I'm certain anyone of any race can have a great time in Philippines if their attitude / modus operandi is good.
Good to hear you had at least some good experiences though.
Chicochulo
11-08-12, 20:57
Bottom line is starchild should be banned from mongering!Starchild's trip report reminded me of a classic Mr. Bean episode.
CC
Wicked Roger
11-08-12, 21:36
Bottom line is starchild should be banned from mongering!Who cares if he mongers elsewhere Sammon just not in the Philippines.
On the other hand if he keeps coming here and acts the prat then the girls will look for a nice 'gentleman' save them from the awful drunken mess that F3 says he saw in Cebu. SC you even told me you were wasted each time you texted me when I was in Cebu (!)
So a dilema? But best stay away and pollute another baord with your tales of woe. And you can't call them newbie tales / warning either anymore LOL.
15k for a model. Saw you coming all the way to the bank.
And why call them 'ghetto' as so derogatory. As I said, my Indian friends date nice smart college girls and they are as Indian as you am sure
GE was eloquent in his reply (others won't be / have not been) and XMan must have changed his spots as his FR was so nice (well for XMan that is!). What are you taking XM?
As per Starchild's experiences, if you're going to sleep with dogs you're going to get fleas. As per Polish girls, I never met one in Phils. Gotcha there GE.
WestCoast1
11-09-12, 05:59
As wildly bad as SC's story is, he was at least honest in his review of his experience. He poured it all out. Kind of reminds you of the flyer you see on the bulletin board: "Missing: family dog. Quite recognizable: missing one ear, blind in one eye, limps on one leg, tail and one testicle cut off in lawnmower accident. Also stinks: bladder problem, pisses on himself a lot. Answers to 'Lucky'. Call if you see him."
FreebieFan
11-09-12, 06:20
As wildly bad as SC's story is, he was at least honest in his review of his experience. He poured it all out. Kind of reminds you of the flyer you see on the bulletin board: "Missing: family dog. Quite recognizable: missing one ear, blind in one eye, limps on one leg, tail and one testicle cut off in lawnmower accident. Also stinks: bladder problem, pisses on himself a lot. Answers to 'Lucky'. Call if you see him."Hahah thanks for the humour. The wrist of the girl is "fuzzed out ". What was hiding on the wrist?
Soapy Smith
11-09-12, 07:30
As per Polish girls, I never met one in Phils. Gotcha there GE.I think you misread GE's intention. I'm pretty sure he was referring to the Polish language and was simply implying that for well-heeled Filipinas the Polish language is the new lingua franca.
GoodEnough
11-09-12, 12:13
I think you misread GE's intention. I'm pretty sure he was referring to the Polish language and was simply implying that for well-heeled Filipinas the Polish language is the new lingua franca.Of course, Polish is the new cachet, ranking right up there with Louis Vuitton bags and iPhones. Of course I hadn't realized I had inadvertently capitalized the "p" until I had uploaded the post. Thanks Skip, for understanding exactly what I meant.
GE
MadisonGuy
11-09-12, 16:09
Wow after reading starchilds post I don't think I would go to Philippines. Luckily I have already been there and not one of those experiences sound anything like I experienced. I have never took a girl out for food or dinner and she got something expensive. In fact the opposite I usually have a hard time getting the girls to eat, I mean they weigh about 80lbs soaking wet. A lot of your complaints you are correct in saying they are newbie mistakes. But honestly I think Philippines is one of the best country to make those mistakes and get away with it. I called for a massage girl at like 2am after getting smashed at the bars, she was there pretty fast and once she started the massage ten minutes later I was passed out! A few hours later I awoke, she was sitting on a chair watching me sleep. Although a little creepy she had no intention of robbing me and probably was dreaming about a life in the US. The girls I did meet that were about money were pretty fair and did not push the envelope at all IMO. Now I can't speak for everyone, but DIA is almost completely worthless. There are diamonds in the rough but I have a lot more luck just meeting girls at the mall or anywhere out and about. I like a club that is frequented with models and the rich, it's the only place I've been in Philippines that is void of working girls. The models that approached me there were the exact opposite of how you described. I had one get very mad at me for giving her 2000 pesos to get more drinks while I went to the bathroom. I originally thought she was mad because I treated her like a bar maid, it's a neg I commonly do to a girl to make her try harder to gain my affection. Anyway that was not the case and she was made because she thought in giving her money I was treating her like I could buy her. Pinay are awesome, there's bad in every country but it seems you only run into the bad. I do wonder how much my blonde hair blue eyed light skin makes a difference. I never get frisked there and they let me break rules in clubs which in the US would take money, I'm sure if I were asian I would be treated different. I never understand why they frisk and wand their own but when I walk through they never check me. If I were a local that would make me mad.
Soapy Smith
11-09-12, 17:02
I never understand why they frisk and wand their own but when I walk through they never check me. If I were a local that would make me mad.I've frequently had the same experience, and I'm not blonde and blue-eyed. They wave me through as though, as a Westerner, I shouldn't be subjected to this indignity. Thanks for pointing out the implications.
Chicochulo
11-10-12, 06:19
As per Starchild's experiences, if you're going to sleep with dogs you're going to get fleas. As per Polish girls, I never met one in Phils. Gotcha there GE.I stayed at a low end resort on Mactan Island. There was a table of Russian type females at the dining area. I got the distinct impression, they were there to entertain the middle aged Japanese guys. I might be wrong about that but I just had to say something about the Russian / Polish connection.
I stayed at a low end resort on Mactan Island. There was a table of Russian type females at the dining area. I got the distinct impression, they were there to entertain the middle aged Japanese guys. I might be wrong about that but I just had to say something about the Russian / Polish connection.I wonder why they are staying at a low-end resort? Do you mean the Japanese guys had brought them in or that the "Russian-type" ladies (whatever that means) , were staying around Mactan to cater for such a demand? I am frequently bemused why tourists would come to Asia and particularly the Philippines to sample "blonde, white women" when the honey colored variety is more plentiful and dare i say enjoyable. JMHO.
Although SK and GE have remarked already on the "Polish" factor, I think a reread will show that GE meant to say "polish" as in the sort of result one wants when one shines one's shoes.
GoodEnough
11-10-12, 11:08
Although SK and GE have remarked already on the "Polish" factor, I think a reread will show that GE meant to say "polish" as in the sort of result one wants when one shines one's shoes.That's it RK, though I did have in mind the stuff one uses to return the luster to one's sterling silver place settings, but hey polish is polish, right?
GE
That's it RK, though I did have in mind the stuff one uses to return the luster to one's sterling silver place settings, but hey polish is polish, right?Yesss indeed although I would guess it is more than a decade and then some since you actually personally polished any sterling silver place settings given the plethora of home help available in our lives.
To keep more to the theme of ISG, I guess I could have used a more relevant metaphor suggesting how one gets one's knob polished via a BJ with the liberal application of some spit and polish by a willing pinay. WC has provided numerous recent pics on the PG showing that activity.
Wicked Roger
11-10-12, 12:29
I stayed at a low end resort on Mactan Island. There was a table of Russian type females at the dining area. I got the distinct impression, they were there to entertain the middle aged Japanese guys. I might be wrong about that but I just had to say something about the Russian / Polish connection.Which low end resort please. Am intrigued as I too have never seen CIS ladies in Cebu let alone those P4P. Many Japs and Koreans but always with pinays who IMHO are infinitely better. More caring, more GFE and definitely won't rip you off. See the UAE thread for the reasons behind that statement!
Plenty cheap and nasty places in Mactan so which one did you stay at Chico?
Speaking of knobs, you snobs, I still spit and Polish my own shoes.
That is classic GE with to feign insult about shoe polishing and turn it into a remark about Sterling Silver. Oh, wait. I apologize, GE has never polished a shoe in his life. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth, as they say.
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Yesss indeed although I would guess it is more than a decade and then some since you actually personally polished any sterling silver place settings given the plethora of home help available in our lives.
To keep more to the theme of ISG, I guess I could have used a more relevant metaphor suggesting how one gets one's knob polished via a BJ with the liberal application of some spit and Polish by a willing pinay. WC has provided numerous recent pics on the PG showing that activity.
Starchild2012
11-10-12, 14:11
your willingness to judge people harshly based on their poverty may be part of the problem. but, sorry to hear you had some bad luck on your trip. x.i just went through a bad trip this time, but i always had a great time in ph. i'm from a third world country and i know what poor is, 'because i was born [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) poor too but poverty does not relate to cheating, crime and taking advantage off another person. the problem is with the person. we know even rich people cheat. i have not judge anyone ..it was just a tr
i've just read starchild's post with, not disbelief exactly, but a growing sense of amazement at his naivete. i've lived here now for almost ten years, rented a couple of houses, interacted with government agencies at all levels, and have never come close to the same sorts of negative experiences. yes, this is a corrupt place and i've no doubt that he was telling the truth, but a little prudence and common sense goes a long way toward immunizing yourself from the most common scams. in the case of the apartment for example, would it not have been simply smarter to have gotten a recommendation for a reputable real estate agent from a longer term expatriate? that's what i did and i've never come close to being scammed. as far as the lady who made off with his cash, how many warnings have been posted on this site alone about locking up all valuables before allowing anyone you don't know into your room? it's a simple precaution and i would have thought that anyone who is not a complete newbie would have exercised it.
as to the "ghetto" mentality of the women, what the hell did he expect? this is a poor country. people struggle to subsist. where could these girls possibly have acquired the polish, the knowlege and the savoir faire normally associated with people who have grown up in more affluent surroundings? i agree with wr in that i don't know what this should provide a basis for scorn. the fact is, if you want to catch more sophisticated women, you need to fish in a different sort of pond. most richer, more well educated women don't hang out on dia hoping to become the sexual playthings of foreigners with overstuffed wallets.
i repeat a contention that i've asserted many times previously: it's possible to create a nice life here, and to do so to a standard that may not be affordable in one's home country. but to do this, you need to utilize common sense, and prudence, and you need to lose some of the arrogance and take the time to cultivate local relationships with people who can help you avoid the more common pitfalls.
geif you read my old report, i only had fantastic experience and i remember you congratulating me on my first trip to ph as you were one of my inspiration to travel to ph.
this is a honest travel report of what i went through. i'm not here to prove anyone how strong i'm. no. i'm not, i'm just a normal guy who likes to have fun but i hate taking advantage of another human being especially when he is vulnerable.
it isn't the first time, a tourist have been scammed in ph or murdered or drugged or raped. common of all people ge, you should know, people go through some good and bad times and i just wrote both for other to be careful of.
i'm not a troll for one, i'm here in isg for over 6 years now and i wrote this only so that others would be cautious and i admit, i should have been more carefull.
starchild
your going to get flamed, wtf did you expect, i been to india and i will never return there. yet i lived in cebu in the areas you talk about with the girls you say are freeloaders and i love it here, there is nothing wrong with the place it is you that has the problem, do not come back here you are not smart enough to live here.
all you post shows what not to do even paying 15k for pussy is dumb. i remember reading your cebu post going wtf, and now this proves you are not the person to come here they will eat you alive.
any one who reads your post should relise asian are not dumb and they are only poor here due to the peso value. you got plaid i know some smart indians here and some dumb ones like any race there are some dumb ones that should stay at home.
get a wife your mom picks for you, as any asian girl is going to own you and your family.
oh another thing are you that drunk indian guy i saw in cebu staggering from girl to girl, everything hanging out, acting like your shit did not stink, as your last post i am sure it was you.i don't understand why are you angry with my tr? you think i'm getting paid to write negative experiences i had in ph. if you read my past 3 years reports, i only had positive things to say about ph? the way you replied seems like you were the god who created ph and do not like anyone who says negatives about philippines? why are you getting pissed? just calm down.
i have never said anywhere, i'm a super hero, who could tackle ph in all its glory and misery. i'm just a normal guy, who likes to have fun. if you read my past reports, i had only great experiences which i wrote it in the past. this is a tr ci'm writing what i went through ok.
it doesn't take a graduation degree to be a bad guy. especially, in a third world country, it takes everything to be a good guy here, if i want i can be the bad guy, the street smart guy, in an instant. its easy to lie, cheat and be so called street smart. its not like setting bases on mars or something. i never had these issues before in my travel. i faced these issues now and i wrote it. so whats the problem. in travels you have some bad experience and good experiences.
you made your point. i get it. but whats up with getting personal in a public forum, if you have issues with me. just pm me or we can meet on my next trip to cebu. you seem unnecessarily agitated for a travel report. looks like your harem of ghetto girls ain't keeping you warm at night.
starchild.
based on the litany of frs all damning pi and everything in the country, just stay where you are. plenty girls in cebu (well everywhere) but being wasted does not help you (or anyone) so tip. don't drink when you monger.
i truly cannot see how your visits here are so bad albeit entertaining reading. what do you do to attract attention as i have never been asked by anyone for cash at naia and the new immigration guy is super tough am told so he won't allow this, and am told has cctv everywhere. so i would reassess what you are doing, the body language etc.
i wear good clothes (yes am white) but am never hassled. now if you dress like a hippy then i have seen those peopelebe stopped for longer.
please don't go on again about colour as my indian friends who visit pi regularly have no hassles with any of the issues you mention in any of your posts. one in fact gets very nice college girls and never trawls ghettos for them. again what are doing to attract all this unwanted attention?
maybe am a tad amazed at your constant hammering of all thing pi. it is not perfect but if you dress well, don't get wasted, are / polite and keep head down etc people won't bother you. now if you dress like one of our long departed members in bling or the real stuff and want to act like puff daddy in mbc. you will be noticed.
just my bit.i get it. if you read my old reports, you will see all positive reviews about the ph. i have not even said a single negative thing about the ph for over three years now. this is a tr. i just want to write what i went through. what do you expect me to do, just delete all my negative experience and only post what positives i went through.
i'm not here to boost my ego and show to all that i'm some kinda hero and street smart. i'm just a normal guy, who just wants to have fun. i have never ever said anywhere that i'm a batman, superman or ironman. i have issues, i have weakness that girls tried to take advantage off.
i understand what you are trying to say and next time, i will take up on it. i like philippines man.
I'm just a normal guy, who likes to have fun.Nah man, you are VERY wrong. You are far from normal, and its not about fun either. You are SPECIAL. So special that you definitively are one of a kind. Last time you lent money to a nice looking well dressed girl in Malate and you never heard from her. This time you paid a deposit for a rental to a guy that "worked in a call centre", let me know when you have enough for deposit for a condo I am no con artist but in you case I will make the exception since you are bound to find another scammer to take your money anyway. At least I will have fun with your cash, the way you dreamed off rather then the money ending up with some ghetto filipina thats few levels bellow your third world can't get laid for a year back at home ass.
You want better quality? Someone you can have a conversation with? Dude you are getting scammed by teenagers and prostitutes what can you offer to a well educated filipina? Bolliwood tales and tales of getting scammed in her country? You want them to take you out? WHY? Man you photoshop your own photo on DIA and you seem to be always wasted on top of that you have been jaded with phillipines for sometime now and then you wander when DIA girls dish you off? SPECIAL indeed.
Don't replay to my post. Its not meant to put you down, just make you think. Happy mongering elsewhere. I can't wait to read about your misadventures in europe, I am sure there will be a tale to tell when you lend in Frankfurt Am Main. Auf Wiedersehan
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