Manila

[Wicked Roger]

Take a pill. Yeah. A whole 27 posts.

Do you realize you don't have much a life searching other peoples profiles??

Figures since you got nothing better to do with over 4000 posts on here.

I'm sure you asked plenty over the decades you've been on here.Well since you asked I can tell LOL.

I have asked before but the difference is I RTFF first. Examples. When I first visited Manila I RTFF got a list of information on bars and hotels etc and then I PM someone and asked a specific question.

Loso69 of long time ago fame in Asia did the same when he visited Abu Dhabi and met me.

And the time it took to find FRs related to your question was a few seconds as the search function is good IMHO. Longer than to type this FR.

Skogis. Thanks very nice of you and the give and take is always a great part of the forum unlike in other countries such as India and now sadly to a degree the UAE where it is being 'polluted' but the one handed typist brigade who ask questions because they are lazy and get their rocks off in ways far different from you and I LOL. BTW the way good you did not indulge at the smelly pussy but I do have mates who would just slip on an extra condom and not worry LOL.

[LovinAsia]

Yes I am sure WR have asked a lot of questions. We all did but we also contributed more or less heavily into this forum. WR can defend himself (not that he needs to) but I like to explain the motion of this forum. If you are taker you will not get much info here. If you both give and take that is perfectly ok. By giving we mean something more useful than just asking questions you by using the search function can easily find out without asking and use valuable bandwith with nothing. A fullblooded FR some description maybe even a photo of some lovelies makes our hearts melt and you will getting all the info you need. And by just a google search I found tons of info on what to do in Manila and even close to airport.If I spent all my life on here as WR is doing then ID have plenty to contribute.

I'm new to this site so I don't have reports left and right to post on here about.

I think I'm entitled to under 30 posts if I like since I'm a paid member.

WR should be going after non contributors who basically are doing the same thing but didn't pay anything to the site.

[Member #4387]

If I spent all my life on here as WR is doing then ID have plenty to contribute.

I'm new to this site so I don't have reports left and right to post on here about.

I think I'm entitled to under 30 posts if I like since I'm a paid member.

WR should be going after non contributors who basically are doing the same thing but didn't pay anything to the site.Ok, Flight168 or Airforce One should make you happy (I agree we might give you atleast some help since you are a paid member). These places are relatively close to the the airport. And you have EDSA (entertainment district in I think paranaque / pasay). Heritage hotel seems to be a choice of some mongers. I just use informetion provided here at ISG as those mentioned places / area are far from my idea of having fun.
But again i dont go for p4p or BG's..

[LovinAsia]

Ok, Flight168 or Airforce One should make you happy (I agree we might give you atleast some help since you are a paid member). These places are relatively close to the the airport. And you have EDSA (entertainment district in I think paranaque / pasay). Heritage hotel seems to be a choice of some mongers. I just use informetion provided here at ISG as those mentioned places / area are far from my idea of having fun.
But again i dont go for p4p or BG's..Thanks for the advice! So since you dont p4p do you usually try and pick up at clubs?

[Wicked Roger]

Thanks for the advice! So since you dont p4p do you usually try and pick up at clubs?You see Skogis. You help and you are asked another question from a 'contributor" whose FR history is all questions. This is why am a tad cynical in my old age LOL.

LoveinAsia. My advice is be thankful someone helped you a little, so go there and figure it out yourself, stop asking questions as if you to the place Skogis has mentioned you can see for yourself and FR to everyone here your experience and tips.

Next question will be "what clubs, how do you pick them up"? Of hic all the answer are found if the person bothers to RTFF which LoveinAsia can't do as he seems to be a one hand typist?

[FreebieFan]

Take a pill. Yeah. A whole 27 posts.

Do you realize you don't have much a life searching other peoples profiles??

Figures since you got nothing better to do with over 4000 posts on here.

I'm sure you asked plenty over the decades you've been on here.There are many of us, sunshine, who have been here for a good few years, and have made many contributions here. Recommend you do not denigrate a fellow poster just because he has made a significant contribution. Maybe applaud the guy for the immense contribution he made to the board. Just a thought.

[LovinAsia]

You see Skogis. You help and you are asked another question from a 'contributor" whose FR history is all questions. This is why am a tad cynical in my old age LOL.

LoveinAsia. My advice is be thankful someone helped you a little, so go there and figure it out yourself, stop asking questions as if you to the place Skogis has mentioned you can see for yourself and FR to everyone here your experience and tips.

Next question will be "what clubs, how do you pick them up"? Of hic all the answer are found if the person bothers to RTFF which LoveinAsia can't do as he seems to be a one hand typist?Who said I was a "contributor" ?? Your sight must be going at your golden years. I'm a fairly new member here with low post count as thousands of others on here who make an account and ask similar questions. Are you the sites chief of police??

You can insult me be calling me a one hand typist but at least my other hands not on a cane."LOL"

[LovinAsia]

There are many of us, sunshine, who have been here for a good few years, and have made many contributions here. Recommend you do not denigrate a fellow poster just because he has made a significant contribution. Maybe applaud the guy for the immense contribution he made to the board. Just a thought.If his 4000 posts are anything similar to the ones he responded to mine are then I won't be too impressed or will be applauding him anytime soon.

The difference between he and I is that I don't go searching peoples profile and past posting history and waste my time commenting about it.

I'm sure I can quote many a useless posts by him and post a reply but I don't.

[GoodEnough]

You can insult me be calling me a one hand typist but at least my other hands not on a cane."LOL"Careful whom you denigrate Sunshine as one day, if you're lucky, your hands too may be affixed to a cane. Some of us who are in our dotage think that perhaps living out in this part of the world may actually extend, if not our life expectancy, then surely the quality of whatever remains.

GE.

[LovinAsia]

Careful whom you denigrate Sunshine as one day, if you're lucky, your hands too may be affixed to a cane. Some of us who are in our dotage think that perhaps living out in this part of the world may actually extend, if not our life expectancy, then surely the quality of whatever remains.

GE.I get it. You guys love the word "Sunshine".

Yes we all get old. But according to him I'm a one hand typist at the moment.

[GoodEnough]

I get it. You guys love the word "Sunshine".

Yes we all get old. But according to him I'm a one hand typist at the moment.No, not so much that. I merely wanted to communicate that the reasons so many of us enjoy SE Asia even more as we get older is because, from the standpoint of hanging out with younger women, our age isn't nearly as relevant as it would be in the West. I've been away for long enough that it actually seems normal for me to see old men and young women. I guess that the only way to truly appreciate that is to get older and come here.

As to your questions, I don't mind them, at all. We were all once new with little or no experience of the countries in the region. The best advice I could give you is just to come out for as much time as you can spare and experience the place, as what appeals to some may not appeal to others. If you've got limited time, I think Edsa Entertainment Complex across from the Heritage Hotel is a good suggestion. It's not far from Parañaque, where the airport is, and there are lots of choices.

Have fun and let us know what you eventually decided.

GE.

[Cons68]

Funnily enough you have plenty of time to make posts that add essentially nothing.

A fine specimen of the managerial class you are!


If I spent all my life on here as WR is doing then ID have plenty to contribute.

I'm new to this site so I don't have reports left and right to post on here about.

I think I'm entitled to under 30 posts if I like since I'm a paid member.

WR should be going after non contributors who basically are doing the same thing but didn't pay anything to the site.

[Member #4387]

Thats also my strongpoint to this fella. Why not use the time, instead of quarreling, to find out how to search for info. But as I gave him a few head points up the road (which I have found out by just RTFF this forum without having any interest in visiting as in no need), since he after all are a paid member.

[X Man]

I've been known to be brusk with people here and there, so I have no right to criticize the criticizers. I will say that all of us old-timers at ISG should aspire to be as calm and generous as GE. Because of his good advice I was able to leave my comfort zones of the Philippines and explore some parts of Mindanao. That was nearly a decade ago. Thanks again GE.


No, not so much that. I merely wanted to communicate that the reasons so many of us enjoy SE Asia even more as we get older is because, from the standpoint of hanging out with younger women, our age isn't nearly as relevant as it would be in the West. I've been away for long enough that it actually seems normal for me to see old men and young women. I guess that the only way to truly appreciate that is to get older and come here.

As to your questions, I don't mind them, at all. We were all once new with little or no experience of the countries in the region. The best advice I could give you is just to come out for as much time as you can spare and experience the place, as what appeals to some may not appeal to others. If you've got limited time, I think Edsa Entertainment Complex across from the Heritage Hotel is a good suggestion. It's not far from Paraaque, where the airport is, and there are lots of choices.

Have fun and let us know what you eventually decided.

GE.

[LovinAsia]

Funnily enough you have plenty of time to make posts that add essentially nothing.

A fine specimen of the managerial class you are!Thats right. I just made time. And you can ask the guy who started at me with his "nothing"ness.

[GoodEnough]

Apropos of absolutely nothing, I left Bangkok's perfect airport about 3. 5 hours ago and landed at the slum this country calls an airport 35 minutes ago, when we were told that no gates were available (at 5:15 AM) and we would just have to wait. This difference alone explains while his place remains firmly ensconced at the bottom of the ASEAN pile.

GE.

[WestCoast1]

Who said I was a "contributor" ?? I will jump in. We don't mind questions, but only from contributors. Please don't trawl (this isn't the DR or Columbian forum). If you are not here to contribute, we'd like to see you politely move on. I would be glad to help you if you contact me in PM.

[LovinAsia]

I will jump in. We don't mind questions, but only from contributors. Please don't trawl (this isn't the DR or Columbian forum). If you are not here to contribute, we'd like to see you politely move on. I would be glad to help you if you contact me in PM.So if a new member joins. Which I did recently. Then we can't ask questions only post personal stories??

What if one has no contributions being their first visit to a country?

[Cons68]

Yes it is clear what your priorities are. I suggest the moderator moves this to "Manila. You do no know who you are talking to" thread.


Thats right. I just made time. And you can ask the guy who started at me with his "nothing"ness.

[KongKing]

So if a new member joins. Which I did recently. Then we can't ask questions only post personal stories?? What if one has no contributions being their first visit to a country?As I type this I am somewhat distracted by a buxom lass gyrating her pelvis to the left. Just as well I am not typing this in a public place as I might have others drooling over my keyboard.

I don't mind newbies asking questions on this ISG forum, and not just by way of a personal message (=PM). I see it is a place for give and take. But I do expect a questioner to have done a little bit of research by going back a bit and reading the forum (=RTFF). To ask a question like "I have 24 hours in Manila, what should I do?" is for many of us a red rag to a bull because the Manila (and Makati) Forum is full of rich experiences and options. Ask specific questions by all means, and guys here are helpful with their time and response. But after "taking" the information we expect some "giving" in return by posting field reports.

[Gonzo88]

I will be in Manila for the first time for a one night stop over. Spent some time reading the Manila and Makati boards, and I am looking for some guidance. I get into town at 4 pm, heading out the following noon. I want to set up a threesome with two good young, slim, good looking girls. Given that it is only one night, I am not cost sensitive. I tried setting up an account on the websites, too much of a hassle, and for one day, not worth the payback for the effort. I figure my options are Makati (Bottoms, High Heels, Bill Board, etc.), EDSA (Firehouse, Cotton Club), or maybe the KTVs (Asia Entertainment), which although pricey, seem to have some of the best talent. I have sort of ruled out LA Cafe, sounds like it is a bunch of fat old slappers. I am also thinking about Cafe Havana, but it sounds like it might be a bit hit or miss.

Any suggestions in terms of the best quality for young talent? I am not intimidated about negotiating cash for gash or dealing with bar girls. Thanks for your help.

[WestCoast1]

But I do expect a questioner to have done a little bit of research by going back a bit and reading the forum (=RTFF). To ask a question like "I have 24 hours in Manila, what should I do?" is for many of us a red rag to a bull because the Manila (and Makati) Forum is full of rich experiences and options. Ask specific questions by all means, and guys here are helpful with their time and response. But after "taking" the information we expect some "giving" in return by posting field reports.


Who said I was a "contributor" ?? He himself admits he won't be contributing.


So if a new member joins. Which I did recently. Then we can't ask questions only post personal stories?? What if one has no contributions being their first visit to a country?You have over a year of posts on the board. Please point us to all your previous contributions from the other places you visited.

To answer your question directly, contact the old guard in PM.

[Elmo5743]

I will be in Manila for the first time for a one night stop over. Spent some time reading the Manila and Makati boards, and I am looking for some guidance. I get into town at 4 pm, heading out the following noon. I want to set up a threesome with two good young, slim, good looking girls. Given that it is only one night, I am not cost sensitive. I tried setting up an account on the websites, too much of a hassle, and for one day, not worth the payback for the effort. I figure my options are Makati (Bottoms, High Heels, Bill Board, etc.), EDSA (Firehouse, Cotton Club), or maybe the KTVs (Asia Entertainment), which although pricey, seem to have some of the best talent. I have sort of ruled out LA Cafe, sounds like it is a bunch of fat old slappers. I am also thinking about Cafe Havana, but it sounds like it might be a bit hit or miss.

Any suggestions in terms of the best quality for young talent? I am not intimidated about negotiating cash for gash or dealing with bar girls. Thanks for your help.Gonzo,

Your assessment is dead on, Havana is hit and miss, a little more miss if you get there after eight, not a table left, as far as Malate (LACAfe) again correct, up until about 11 there isn't much there, however after 11 it does get better, but it is very crowded. Bottoms and the other on Burgos have quality, however it will cost you, plan on 4000 LT, then the drinks and something to eat, you will be in it 6000-7000 pesos, I have not been to EDSA, I plan on it this trip end of May, let me know how it went.

[LovinAsia]

He himself admits he won't be contributing.

You have over a year of posts on the board. Please point us to all your previous contributions from the other places you visited.

To answer your question directly, contact the old guard in PM.Another member who has nothing else better to do then to check my profile history. FYI the posts in the manila thread are recent. Like last week.

Unlike yourself I don't log in every second of every day with thousands of posts over a year. But then again I didn't check your post history and could care less about your posting history.

I also NEVER said that I would never contribute. Please read correctly. How could I contribute yet if I haven't had any history in the place where Ill be going?? Kinda obvious.

[BrainDrain]

I will be in Manila for the first time for a one night stop over. Spent some time reading the Manila and Makati boards, and I am looking for some guidance. I get into town at 4 pm, heading out the following noon. I want to set up a threesome with two good young, slim, good looking girls. Given that it is only one night, I am not cost sensitive. I tried setting up an account on the websites, too much of a hassle, and for one day, not worth the payback for the effort. I figure my options are Makati (Bottoms, High Heels, Bill Board, etc.), EDSA (Firehouse, Cotton Club), or maybe the KTVs (Asia Entertainment), which although pricey, seem to have some of the best talent. I have sort of ruled out LA Cafe, sounds like it is a bunch of fat old slappers. I am also thinking about Cafe Havana, but it sounds like it might be a bit hit or miss.

Any suggestions in terms of the best quality for young talent? I am not intimidated about negotiating cash for gash or dealing with bar girls. Thanks for your help.If this was me. I'd get a hotel near P Burgos. Get your base camp then go out and find your girls. It's in walking distance, so if you don't get what you want, the girls go home and you can go back hunting.

Try a theme room at Bellagio: http://royalbellagio.com/rooms.html.

Sit in the front bar, survey and wander.

Get a booked car to meet you so you don't waste time on Taxi at airport arrival.

Happy days.

[Gonzo88]

If this was me. I'd get a hotel near P Burgos. Get your base camp then go out and find your girls. It's in walking distance, so if you don't get what you want, the girls go home and you can go back hunting.

Try a theme room at Bellagio: http://royalbellagio.com/rooms.html.

Sit in the front bar, survey and wander.

Get a booked car to meet you so you don't waste time on Taxi at airport arrival.

Happy days.Brain Drain,

Thanks for your advice man, I appreciate it and I will take it. Only thing is that I think I will stay down at the Peninsula or the Shangrila, I am not sure the theme rooms at the Belagio are my caper. It looks like it should only be a 5 minute ride in a taxi, no? Then, if it all goes terribly wrong, I can hit the green belt to try to pick up a free lancer from Cafe Havana. What do you reckon?

Thanks

[Medellin Kuya]

Hello,

Will be heading to Manila for 1 month as soon as my job concludes in August.

Will be renting an apartment around Ortagas. On my previous visits to Manila, I have stayed in Makati and most recently near Malate.

Was wondering how the Ortagas area was. What are some fun places to take a girl on a non expensive date in the area? Live band or something.

Most my expertise is from dance clubs. Looking forward to hitting up these places.

Malate. Exklusiv.

Makati. Palladium, 71 Gramercy, Black Market.

The Fort. Valkyrie, Prive.

Quezon City. Prime, Vanity, Excess.

[Mbsl65]

Paladium is not a big deal. I did not pay any cover charge since I was a New world customer. But the place is overpriced and almost no girls available. Also annoying bouncers.


Hello,

Was wondering how the Ortagas area was. What are some fun places to take a girl on a non expensive date in the area? Live band or something.

Most my expertise is from dance clubs. Looking forward to hitting up these places.

Quezon City. Prime, Vanity, Excess.

[GoodEnough]

Hello,

Will be heading to Manila for 1 month as soon as my job concludes in August.

Will be renting an apartment around Ortagas. On my previous visits to Manila, I have stayed in Makati and most recently near Malate.

Was wondering how the Ortagas area was. What are some fun places to take a girl on a non expensive date in the area? Live band or something.

Most my expertise is from dance clubs. Looking forward to hitting up these places.


Malate. Exklusiv.

Makati. Palladium, 71 Gramercy, Black Market.

The Fort. Valkyrie, Prive.

Quezon City. Prime, Vanity, Excess.I'm not a devotee of clubs, and usually find them loud, crowded and altogether nerves jangling. I did go the Paladium once and left after one drink as I couldn't hear my own voice, clef alone those of the folks I was with.

My office is in Ortigas, and while it's a safe and attractive area it doesn't appear to be to include a lot of fun venues. There are multiple malls, and a huge number of restaurants in the malls however in terms of stand alone places, I've not found many. My friend Red Kilt is far more familiar with the area than I and might disagree with this assessment.

GE.

[Medellin Kuya]

Paladium is not a big deal. I did not pay any cover charge since I was a New world customer. But the place is overpriced and almost no girls available. Also annoying bouncers.Yes, it is overpriced and I normally only go there with a girl on a date. If I am alone I go to other places in Malate or Quezon City.

[Mbsl65]

There is a disco at Burgos Street and some of the girls from Havana told me that they go there after Havana closes at 2:00 am. I have been there.

Once while it was very early (11:00 pm) but something to keep in mind.

I don't remember the name of the place but it is below the street level.


Yes, it is overpriced and I normally only go there with a girl on a date. If I am alone I go to other places in Malate or Quezon City.

[Medellin Kuya]

There is a disco at Burgos Street and some of the girls from Havana told me that they go there after Havana closes at 2:00 am. I have been there.

Once while it was very early (11:00 pm) but something to keep in mind.

I don't remember the name of the place but it is below the street level.It is called the Bronx if I am not mistaken. I haven't checked it out on previous trips, but I intend to check it out this time.

Should be an easy place to pull a freebie.

[FreebieFan]

It is called the Bronx if I am not mistaken. I haven't checked it out on previous trips, but I intend to check it out this time.

Should be an easy place to pull a freebie.I'm not sure you would get a freebie as most girls in the place are working girls. Was once there at about 5 am and there was a girl passed out on a chair. The waiter was "interfering with her clothing" pretending to tidy up around her. I contacted a bouncer at the door and advised him what had happened. He woke the girl up and the waiter wasnt seen again that night.

[GoodEnough]

It is called the Bronx if I am not mistaken. I haven't checked it out on previous trips, but I intend to check it out this time.

Should be an easy place to pull a freebie.I've passed the place several times and it's always been closed. I'm guessing it opens its doors fairly late; well past the bedtime of an old fellow like me. On another subject, and for those who don't know, there's a typhoon headed straight for Luzon, and it's predicted to affect Manila sometime tomorrow evening. If it brings heavy rains as it likely will, the action on Burgos could be--if you'll excuse the bad pun--dampened tomorrow night as many of the girls may not be able to get to the bars.

GE.

[Red Kilt]

. . . On another subject, and for those who don't know, there's a typhoon headed straight for Luzon, and it's predicted to affect Manila sometime tomorrow evening. If it brings heavy rains as it likely will, the action on Burgos could be--if you'll excuse the bad pun--dampened tomorrow night as many of the girls may not be able to get to the bars.It's heading North-west and weakening.

"independent weather monitoring group Weather Philippines said in its 1:30 am Friday bulletin that the typhoon will potentially make landfall "somewhere along the shores of Northern Aurora or Eastern Isabela" Monday morning, May 11".

Not likely to have much impact on Manila at all.

[Dg8787]

It is called the Bronx if I am not mistaken. I haven't checked it out on previous trips, but I intend to check it out this time.

Should be an easy place to pull a freebie.Real easy for freebies. Sometimes I get tired of being used so much, so I don't go as often. For a young, tall and handsome guy you won't need to bring any money. You can easily work the girls for free drinks too and then take them home.

[GoodEnough]

It's heading North-west and weakening.

"independent weather monitoring group Weather Philippines said in its 1:30 am Friday bulletin that the typhoon will potentially make landfall "somewhere along the shores of Northern Aurora or Eastern Isabela" Monday morning, May 11".

Not likely to have much impact on Manila at all.Don't know RK, but I just read the latest update from the Joint Typhoon Warning Center and the way I read it, the possibility of heavy rains in Manila is fairly high.

GE.

[FreebieFan]

Real easy for freebies.. For a young, tall and handsome guy you won't need to bring any money. You can easily work the girls for free drinks too and then take them home.Guys in Manila hustling working girls for free drinks. Got to laugh at some of the things that go on in Manila and some of the types that it attracts.

Do these great ladies get the honour of paying the taxi ride home too? LOL.

[Member #4387]

After a good party at Gramercy71 a few months back we went to a place, discobar, in Burgos called TIME. There was a good mix of regular girls afterpartying and workinggirls. I brought my own "food" but seemed like a very easy place to hook up. Also located in a basement. Maybe they've changed name to Bronx now?

[D Cups]

I've passed the place several times and it's always been closed. I'm guessing it opens its doors fairly late; well past the bedtime of an old fellow like me. On another subject, and for those who don't know, there's a typhoon headed straight for Luzon, and it's predicted to affect Manila sometime tomorrow evening. If it brings heavy rains as it likely will, the action on Burgos could be--if you'll excuse the bad pun--dampened tomorrow night as many of the girls may not be able to get to the bars.

GE.I have been to the Bronx a few times upon arrival in Manila at 6 am and was able to pull some nice ones albeit drunken. The mama San had some big knockers.

[Medellin Kuya]

My vacation is getting close. I can almost smell it.

1 month in Manila followed by 1 month in Jakarta. Sweet Jesus.

Question, any place like Cebu's MO2 in Manila?

[Great Expecta]

I finally made it back to the Philippines to do some mongering. I decided to go to Robinson's Mall to check it out. I've RTFF, but I didn't really figure out where to go, so I just wandered about for an hour or so. I was approached by a few definite girls wanting a date, but they were far too heavy for my liking. I decided to have a beer and sat right next to the glass window at the TGIF bar. I was looking around and an older lady was sitting at a joint right across fro TGIF definitely glued to what was going on at the front entrance. She saw me glancing at her and she picked up her phone a few minutes later, making a call and glancing my way. Within 15 minutes a gorgeous young girl in a blue and white striped dress showed up and sat at the table next to the old lady and immediately picked me out of the crowd. We flirted for a few minutes and she motioned for me to come to her, and I motioned for her to come into TGIFs. Within another 15-20 minutes, the table filled up with ladies who checked in with the older lady before sitting down. They were all watching the crowd. The young girl saw me take her picture and when I left, she made a bee line my way demanding I erase it. I showed her the screen and then dazzled her a bit so she'd think I erased it. So. Anyone seen anything like this before? Mamas an operation run out of the mall?

[WestCoast1]

I finally made it back to the Philippines to do some mongering. I decided to go to Robinson's Mall to check it out. I've RTFF, but I didn't really figure out where to go, so I just wandered about for an hour or so. I was approached by a few definite girls wanting a date, but they were far too heavy for my liking. I decided to have a beer and sat right next to the glass window at the TGIF bar. I was looking around and an older lady was sitting at a joint right across fro TGIF definitely glued to what was going on at the front entrance. She saw me glancing at her and she picked up her phone a few minutes later, making a call and glancing my way. Within 15 minutes a gorgeous young girl in a blue and white striped dress showed up and sat at the table next to the old lady and immediately picked me out of the crowd. We flirted for a few minutes and she motioned for me to come to her, and I motioned for her to come into TGIFs. Within another 15-20 minutes, the table filled up with ladies who checked in with the older lady before sitting down. They were all watching the crowd. The young girl saw me take her picture and when I left, she made a bee line my way demanding I erase it. I showed her the screen and then dazzled her a bit so she'd think I erased it. So. Anyone seen anything like this before? Mamas an operation run out of the mall?Robinson's Malate?

This comes / goes over time. A few weeks ago I got hit on one night by a chub outside on Pedro Gil side by the mid-east resto on the corner of Adriatico. She had a chub friend with her, and they just chatted me up (no mention of going to my room, but I knew what they were up to). The next afternoon I run into the same chub on Adriatico, and she asks if she can walk with me. Sure. I was heading for some fast food. At Jollie she got on her phone and said she was calling a friend to come meet me. A few minutes later an older lady showed with a younger girl (also a chub) and we talked for a while in Jollie. I was convinced the older lady really was the aunt (not necessarily a mamasan). The aunt finally left me alone with the chubs. I took the chubs up to Silver Cross for a beer, THEN the girls finally suggested we go to the hotel.

I didn't have a desire for any sex at the moment, and had little desire for anything from either girl. They made the usual claims, they could make me happy, etc. I demured and left SC, only to see the girls walking as fast as they could to catch up to me. I re-iterated my non-interest, and one girl started going on about her 'financial' problems. I finally told them I'd be interested in some naked photos only (no sex), and offered a ridiculously low amount for 3 hours of their time in the room (and I mean ridiculously low). The chatty one looked distressed, like she'd been stabbed. She reiterated her financial needs list (about 5500 pesos of needs) and I shook my head NO. Finally they agreed and came with me. I was convinced the ridiculously low offer would send them walking away. So we hit the room and had a naked pics-only session (30 minutes or so). The quiet girl piped up with: "Why you don't give us 2000 each?" Um, because the younger, more pretty girls usually get that amount from me for LT, that's why. "But they say other guy give 2000. Or 3000. Like that". Yes, you girls tell wild tales to each other, and some guys give way to much. Honestly ladies you are near 30, are very overweight, and each have kids. Pretty girls in LA Cafe will get 2000 for a ST. You will not. Just being honest. You appear new to this. I could tell how new to this that they both were from their shyness level and they had to be told every exact thing of what I was asking them to do. "Yes my second time. Other guy give me 700 only. You giving less even". Yes ma'am. I gave them a bit more than they agreed upon and walked them out.

The next morning I'm sitting at Starbucks in Robinson's enjoying a latte (inside by the mall entrance, facing the atrium), about 11 am. One of the chub girls walked by, stared at me a moment, and started to approach. I held up my hand to stop her. She walked away towards the atrium. A moment later an older lady approached the chub. Then the other chub (from outside the mall a few nights ago who was with the first chub) arrived. Then a younger beauty (looks a bit like your girl in the striped dress GE) arrived. They just stood there, walking about aimlessly as a group, never getting more than a radius of 5 meters from their meetup spot). After 10 minutes they walked away, disappearing into the crowd, and were right back there 5 minutes later. They eyed every gringo walking past, keeping an eye on the entrance, clearly on the prowl.

[PGTour]

Is this a good spot to find talent?

[Medellin Kuya]

Is this a good spot to find talent?Its decent.

What are you looking for specifically? Free lancers? Normal girls? How old are you?

[Slippery]

Is this a good spot to find talent?Do a search on it. If nothing comes up, go there and report it.

[Mbsl65]

Is this a good spot to find talent?I only saw groups of well heeled Filipinos and mixed couples. Place is very pricey for Makati standards. I had a women with me and my bill was very high since she kept drinking expensive cocktails.

If you have a woman with you, I recommend you to go there. Otherwise try other clubs.

[Elmo5743]

Real easy for freebies. Sometimes I get tired of being used so much, so I don't go as often. For a young, tall and handsome guy you won't need to bring any money. You can easily work the girls for free drinks too and then take them home.WTF would a tall handsome and young guy be doing in the PI? Hell when I was tall, toung and handsome I didn't have to travel around the world for pussy LOLOL.

[Elmo5743]

On one hand I agree, if the guy didn't like the prices then he should've kept his mouth shut and just left; pointless arguing with the waitresses anyhow as they don't set the prices and it's not like she's going to run to the owner to tell him they just lost a customer cause the beer prices too high, she was probably happy he left so she can return to playing games on her phone, lol.

OTH, we all need to keep in mind that there's many guys who live in the PI's who are on fixed gov pensions (and not all of them are old, plenty of young disabled vets) and need to be cheap out of necessity. If all you have is p35-50 K per month as an income then you tend to shop for the best values.

One I, don't take my post the wrong way, I'm not condemning you for yours, just trying to remind guys who read this board that not every foreigner you see is a "rich tourist". And, when comes to the girls, I fully agree with you that you should pay what you want and everyone else can take a flying leap. As long as you treat the girls well and they are happy with what you give them, then everyone else can fuck off.If you are talking about disabled vets living in the Phills on only 30-50 P a month that is BS, Number one, it would be nice if they were spending our tax dollars that we give them right here in the good old USA rather than drinking beers and chasing women on there "fixed budget"! Second, there are plenty of programs here in the USA for vets and disabled vets to have a great life, without chasing women and drinking all day.

[Medellin Kuya]

WTF would a tall handsome and young guy be doing in the PI? Hell when I was tall, toung and handsome I didn't have to travel around the world for pussy LOLOL.Even a tall handsome young guy is not going to be able to bang 7-14 cute attractive women in a week in any Western country.

Hell he would be doing great to get 1 new notch a week.

In addition, traveling and banging girls in Brazil, Philippines, Thailand, Colombia, Indonesia, Ukraine, Korea USA, Australia, UK.

For me personally, I am still banging girls in the range of 6-8 regardless of where I am in the world. Only difference is, in the Philippines and other countries I bang these girls on the first date with as little as nothing more than an ice cream bought. And sometimes I just invite them straight to my hotel to "swim" or "watch a movie". In America ID have to take these girls on numerous dates, deal with princess attitudes and other Western BS to maybe get a bang.

[Mbsl65]

FYI, our veterans earned every dime they get. While they brought us the freedom, they also got to freedom however they wish to live their lives.


Number one, it would be nice if they were spending our tax dollars that we give them right here in the good old USA rather than drinking beers and chasing women on there "fixed budget"! Second, there are plenty of programs here in the USA for vets and disabled vets to have a great life, without chasing women and drinking all day.

[Elmo5743]

FYI, our veterans earned every dime they get. While they brought us the freedom, they also got to freedom however they wish to live their lives.Yeah I know and work with many Veterans that scam there checks from our taxpayers, not earned there disability!, without really even thinking about it, one guy I work with tore up his back while in the Army on a jet ski! He said he did it there, he has a full time job as a aircraft technician and gets 2000 per month from his supposed disability! Another coworker says he has a bad hip, it gets him 850 bucks a month, he works full time job also which is very physical, as a matter of fact he is going back to the VA to get more money cause he heard of the latest scam where you tell the VA you are having insomnia and it is worth another 225 bucks a month, you fueled jets in the military and got jet fuel on you, that is another 144 bucks a month and these guys brag about this crap! Another friend fell out of a helicopter, did a little damage to his back, no big deal but he is getting 950 bucks a month for life and owns his own termite and pest company which has him running up and down roofs, crawling under homes, up in attics etc etc! There are many many more scams, I don't have any problem with the soldiers that got torn up while "protecting" our freedom, hell we should take care of these guys, but for the yahoos that scam our taxpayers, or for the guys that shined the generals boots for 20 years, or was a janitor in the barrocks retired at 38 only to go live in the Phills and chase women, drink and complain is utterly BS, So when you preach our veterans earned "every dime they get protecting freedom" that is a very small few in the military.

[Mr Hawaii]

If you are talking about disabled vets living in the Phills on only 30-50 P a month that is BS, Number one, it would be nice if they were spending our tax dollars that we give them right here in the good old USA rather than drinking beers and chasing women on there "fixed budget"! Second, there are plenty of programs here in the USA for vets and disabled vets to have a great life, without chasing women and drinking all day.And, it would be nice if American companies kept jobs in this country, for American workers to earn a living and pay MORE taxes in this country instead of farming out the labor to cheap Asian countries.

And, people in Hell want ice water.

And, I am a disabled vet and I am looking to retire in Thailand, PI, or anywhere else I choose. Geez, take it easy.

[GoodEnough]

And, it would be nice if American companies kept jobs in this country, for American workers to earn a living and pay MORE taxes in this country instead of farming out the labor to cheap Asian countries.

And, people in Hell want ice water.

And, I am a disabled vet and I am looking to retire in Thailand, PI, or anywhere else I choose. Geez, take it easy.And, the Congress has done everything in its power to reduce benefits for veterans. What right does anyone have to tell these guys where they should live?

GE.

[Wicked Roger]

There are many many more scams, for the guys that shined the generals boots for 20 years, or was a janitor in the barrocks retired at 38 only to go live in the Phills and chase women, drink and complain is utterly BS, So when you preach our veterans earned "every dime they get protecting freedom" that is a very small few in the military.Elmo,

You are visiting the Philippines end May so why bother to come an chase pussy of you criticize those who do Stay where ever you are and play with yourself instead as clearly you won't have fun in the Philippines LOL.

Secondly, as others have said they can spend what they like where they like.

Thirdly you sound angry that you can't join the scams. Now if you are a law abiding US citizen should you not report all these scams so the cash goes to those who truly deserve.

Finally and just an observation guys but why is it many of those who visit the PI board to be antagonistic come from South America? Odd that but there have been quite a few in the past, seems they need another board to play with.

Post all the FRs please Elmo as we are dying to read how boring and terrible PI is or not LOL.

[Great Expecta]

I had been planning a trip to Manila and Subic Bay for over two months. As usual, I RTFF to get updates, etc. And started emailing women on CL a month out to start getting contacts. I did run across a few 'free' postings on CL, but so many of them wanted 3000-5000 pesos for a ST / LT.

My flight landed an hour late and by the time I checked in at the Heritage Hotel across from EDSA, I was just thirsty and horny. I unpacked, got situated and ventured across the street to the EDSA complex. I took my time scanning the girls in each club and had a few cold ones to take the travel edge off. I didn't want to chose quickly, as you never know what's in the next club. Sure enough, when I got to the Cotton Club, I ran in to a gorgeous and sexy young woman named Syro. She wasn't in a two piece suit dancing around and was fully clothed and just walking the bar floor area. We locked eyes, grabbed a seat, chatted up and I eventually bought her a drink to talk business. It was then 11 pm at night. She told me the bar fine was 1,950 pesos and she got 3,000 for ST or 5,000 for LT. I let it rest while we finished our drinks and after a while she asked if I was going to take her home with me. I asked her what happens if you leave for a ST and never come back?? After all, it was closing in on 1130 pm and the bar closed at 2 am. We flirted around for a while and she decided she'd take me up on my offer for LT for 3,000.

She said she was 23 yrs old and had one kid. When we got back to the room, she immediately took her pants off and started fondling my cock through my shorts telling me she wanted to fuck long and hard and jumped on the bed to entice me. I wondered why she wasn't in a swim suit like the other girls, but after getting in the shower I knew it was because she had a little baby tummy still there and her boobs weren't the perky ones on an 18 yr old. That's OK. She made up for it in bed and she was an aggressive kisser and knew exactly what she wanted in bed. I opened up the night stand drawer to reveal a host of vibrators I brought along and that was all she wrote, as she latched onto those and didn't let them go the rest of the night. She said she had never had a vibrator on her clit and she absolutely loved it!!

We fucked and sucked in positions I had forgotten about and finally fell asleep, but as soon as we woke up, we started all over again. She wasn't into anal, but I managed to get over that and enjoyed my time. This woman knew what she was doing and loved every minute of it. I got her cell before she left and probably should have kept her for another day or so. But you just don't know what is behind the next door you open.

[Cool Traveler]

Guys,

This does not belong here. And do respect the Vets. Whether they scam or not, it is not our business. There are a lot of responsible people among their ranks who will bring it to the open, if needs to be brought to the open. Leave it alone. This is NOT a place to drag them through!. You have issues, write to your senators. Not here.


And, the Congress has done everything in its power to reduce benefits for veterans. What right does anyone have to tell these guys where they should live?

GE

[Medellin Kuya]

Wondering what you guys thought were the best open air bars, bestros, or live music venues in Manila.

Thanks

[DickBump]

She is a fine looking lady Great Expecta and thanks for sharing.

[Mbsl65]

.There is a problem in every community. However exceptions don't make the rules. Assuming, you never served for US Armed forces, you can cease bad mouthing them.

You are offending me, as a decorated war veteran. Just enjoy your life and freedom while you show show some respect who delivered them to you. $0. 02.

[WestCoast1]

Wondering what you guys thought were the best open air bars, bestros, or live music venues in Manila.

ThanksHavana Cafe, Greenbelt / Makati. There's usually live band inside the cafe. Next door is a Starbucks. In Malate there is Bellagio Square half a block south from Robinson's Place Mall, on Bocobo Street. They often have live band outdoors in a small strip mall that is populated with indoor / outdoor resto / bars.

[Great Expecta]

I scrolled though CL looking for a 3-holer and ran across Grace advertising for ST 3000-5000 pesos for all three holes. She posts in CL and Backpage. Pretty simple to hit her up and she came to the hotel at an agreed upon time. For a little truth in advertising, she did mention she was a BBW in her ad. I'm thinking what could a BBW possibly look like in PI and her pics made her out to be fairly slim. I asked for more pics via text and email and she sent a few more that were strategically taken of course to hide curves. I met her out in front of the hotel and I quickly saw she was a fucking amazon for PI standards, standing about five eight, 150 lbs, and no. Surprise, surprise, those weren't her pics. We went up the room anyway, got in the shower and cleaned up for playtime. After a little mutual oral, I rolled her over and buried my cock balls deep in her ass. It went in so easy, I had to look down to make sure I was in her ass. Definitely not her first backdoor rodeo. I came after about ten minutes and she adjourned to a chair to start texting. I surveyed her again naked and told her to just go home and that I was tired from the trip. I would have loved to have found a 3-holing spinner, but not this trip. This is a link to her post on CL.

http://manila.en.craigslist.com.ph/cas/5018064150.html

[Great Expecta]

I decided to catch a cab and ventured over to LA Caf to check it out Friday afternoon around 12 pm. It had been 2-3 years since I had been there and I remembered pulling out so pretty good amateur talent in previous visits. After brushing off the initial onslaught of advances when I first arrived, I got a beer and sat back by the pool table to survey the crowd. I noticed this very attractive older woman staring at me off and on. Her name was Joana and she was about five four, 115 lbs, nice face and rack. I motioned for her to come over and I bought her a drink, as she was overtly nervous and kept looking around as if she thought someone may catch her trolling around. We did a few shots and she loosened up a little, agreeing to go back to my place at EDSA. During the conversation she said she was an unemployed party planner and had been out of work for about three months. Once in the room, I poured another round of drinks and recommended we take a shower. Next thing I knew she was in the bathroom with the door locked in the shower. A definite amateur. We played around for a few hours and she freaked when I pulled out my camera for a few nude shots. She settled on a faceless pic that captured right as she screamed during an orgasm. There was no mention of money at anytime and I gave her 3,000 pesos, as I was nearly certain she was truly down and out and not wanting to just get laid.

[Detwing1]

Is this a good spot to find talent?It's OK. If you're staying in New World, there is no entrance fee.

Otherwise, I believe it's 600 PHP (haven't been there in a while).

Don't go before midnight. Lot of freelancers. Can also find freebies there.

If you make friends with a promoter, she / or he will introduce you to a ton of different women.

[Hutsori]

Wondering what you guys thought were the best open air bars, bestros, or live music venues in Manila.

ThanksAdding to WC's comment check out the Cowboy Grill (two locations in Manila City) and Calle 5 (near G-Point). Near MOA is the open air Blue Wave, and across the street from MOA is The Roadhouse. Of all mentioned so far I think Cowboy Grill gets the best talent, and the one on Remedios in Malate is better than the other in Ermita since it's smaller. A fun show to check out is the Mocha Girls at Cowboy Grill; they appear weekly. You can see clips of their shows on youtube. A legendary band to catch live is Aegus.

[Medellin Kuya]

Adding to WC's comment check out the Cowboy Grill (two locations in Manila City) and Calle 5 (near G-Point). Near MOA is the open air Blue Wave, and across the street from MOA is The Roadhouse. Of all mentioned so far I think Cowboy Grill gets the best talent, and the one on Remedios in Malate is better than the other in Ermita since it's smaller. A fun show to check out is the Mocha Girls at Cowboy Grill; they appear weekly. You can see clips of their shows on youtube. A legendary band to catch live is Aegus.Thanks, you guys seem to mention all the places I already knew. LOL Anyways, I am hesitant to being girls I meet online and through friends to Malate. In the past some girls have raised their eyebrow when I invited them to meet me in Malate and go to Exklusiv or something.

I have 2 apartment options for my trip that I found on Airbnb in the 500-650 price range.

1) Knightsbridge Apartment Complex in Century City Makati.

Cons. Sofa Bed, Seems to be a 5-10 minute walk to mall / supermarket, 150 dollars more expensive.

Pros. Very posh, great balcony view, roof deck.

2) Lights Residencies in Mandaluyong.

Cons. Not has nice.

Pros. Convenience being right on top of Lights Mall with everything you need without going outside, Transport options right outside of Boni MRT and EDSA, 150 dollars cheaper, Balcony also.

Not sure which one to go with. Leaning option 2 for price and convenience. Although, option one is a panty dropper for sure. And those views.

[Medellin Kuya]

Making a "Priority Meet List" on Facebook for when I go to Manila. Already have a Manila list with over 150 girls on it.

My Priority List is getting large also, especially for only a 1 month stay. Not sure ill be able to meet all the girls.

Here is the newest 18 year old edition to the list today. I have so many young attractive 7-8's to meet it is crazy.

[WestCoast1]

I have so many young attractive 7-8's to meet it is crazy.Get in line. Its easy to rack up phone numbers from internet girls online. Getting them into bed is a different story. Many will cancel or ignore you once you're there, so keep the list large.


Here is the newest 18 year old edition to the list today.She (and her family) will be thrilled to know you have posted her face on a sex site.

[BrainDrain]

She (and her family) will be thrilled to know you have posted her face on a sex site.Plus her employer.

[BrainDrain]

I would have loved to have found a 3-holing spinner, but not this trip. This is a link to her post on CL.

http://manila.en.craigslist.com.ph/cas/5018064150.htmlBackdoor doesn't seem to be a popular choice for the girls of Pi.

[Medellin Kuya]

Get in line. Its easy to rack up phone numbers from internet girls online. Getting them into bed is a different story. Many will cancel or ignore you once you're there, so keep the list large.

She (and her family) will be thrilled to know you have posted her face on a sex site.I've had numerous trips to Philippines. Getting them all in bed on the 1st night is about a forgone conclusion. Maybe helps I am mid-late 20's.

The only problem I've experienced is not having enough time to meet them all and being spotted out and about with a new girl from previous girls.

God bless the Philippines.

[Slippery]

Plus her employer.Plus her kuya with a knife.

[Medellin Kuya]

To be honest, it's not easy adding girls online. Not for me anyways. It is very time consuming.

I have to browse a ton of girls just to find some to send a message to. To give you an example. For this upcoming trip, I've browsed well over 8,000 girls and only found / sent messages to 150 of them.

That is like. 00004% of girls that ID rate as a 7+ or a 6 with a nice smile and big tits.

The hard work def pays off though. I've been fortunate enough to bang some really nice girls after a night out of dancing and drinking.

[Wicked Roger]

Get in line. Its easy to rack up phone numbers from internet girls online. Getting them into bed is a different story. Many will cancel or ignore you once you're there, so keep the list large.

She (and her family) will be thrilled to know you have posted her face on a sex site.She is a promo girl Westie but Globe will love the added attention and PR am sure LOL.

And she looks familiar to one I have seen in Cebu (plenty Globe promos there at the weekend) and on Facebook.

So I would suggest that the photo is taken down.

Another from South America? If so what is it about that region, something in the water makes them post those pics on a sex forum?

[Medellin Kuya]

Just book a one month stay at the Knightsbridge Residences in Century City Makati. Its a clean modern big studio with a slamming view and balcony. I got it for 650 dollars (20 dollars a night) which seems like a good price.

Has anyone stayed at this place before? I am having some doubts about whether or not I made the right choice.

1) It doesn't have a real bed. Uses a folded out futon / sofa bed. Supposedly it is on the firmer side and not that bad. I asked someone who stayed in an identical unit and none of the reviews complained about the bed / comfort. Nonetheless, I still have my doubts. I am thinking about buying a double sized memory foam / latex topper and putting it on the sofa bed. Can I pick a decent one up for around 100 dollars? If so where?

2) There is a lot of construction going on around and on the apartment complex. Seems it will be noisy.

3) Due to the construction, the pool is only open starting at 5 pm on week days. I think I heard it will last until August / September which is around the time I am going.

4) Area is probably a little too upscale for my tastes.

There is Century City Mall and A Venue mall within a short walking distance. Seems it will take about 25 minutes to walk to Greenbelt / Ayala. Burgos St. Is a few blocks over. Although I will not be taking any girls from there, but might be fun to go walk around before or after a night out and see what happens.

I am hoping there is another entrance to this place. I feel uncomfortable walking into and past the lobby every night around 2-4 am with a different girl esp if its girls at the front desk.

Fuck, 3 more months of work until heaven.

[Medellin Kuya]

She is a promo girl Westie but Globe will love the added attention and PR am sure LOL.

And she looks familiar to one I have seen in Cebu (plenty Globe promos there at the weekend) and on Facebook.

So I would suggest that the photo is taken down.

Another from South America? If so what is it about that region, something in the water makes them post those pics on a sex forum?Probably the same girl, she is from Cebu if I am not mistaken. The mod's can take down the photo. Although, if left up I doubt she or anyone she knows will see it.

[Buko Max]

She is a promo girl Westie but Globe will love the added attention and PR am sure LOL.

And she looks familiar to one I have seen in Cebu (plenty Globe promos there at the weekend) and on Facebook.

So I would suggest that the photo is taken down.Don't understand why you suggest the photo be deleted. Working as promo girl, she realizes that many pics will be taken and posted where ever! It comes with the territory!

[Buko Max]

Just book a one month stay at the Knightsbridge Residences in Century City Makati. Its a clean modern big studio with a slamming view and balcony. I got it for 650 dollars (20 dollars a night) which seems like a good price.

Has anyone stayed at this place before? I am having some doubts about whether or not I made the right choice.

You should repost in the Manila Hotels thread. Probably not a good idea to pay for one month hotel stay sight unseen! What might be adequate for one person, might not be for you.

[GoodEnough]

Sitting in a filthy coffee shop in Terminal 3, the least bad of all the terminals. The flight announcement boards aren't working (and haven't for at least 3 weeks), the people movers are (as usual) not working, and I've got to take a bus to my plane that will, inevitably, depart late. Flights are arriving late, gate changes occur frequently, the air con is barely working and there are more passengers than seats. This reminds me of nothing so much as some of the worst airports in Africa. What a hole!

GE.

[Butter69]

After a good party at Gramercy71 a few months back we went to a place, discobar, in Burgos called TIME. There was a good mix of regular girls afterpartying and workinggirls. I brought my own "food" but seemed like a very easy place to hook up. Also located in a basement. Maybe they've changed name to Bronx now?I was in Makati early May on a Friday night. I went into Time around 1 am but we were the only ones inside. Doorman said come back about 3-4 am when it'll be busier. That's way too late for me. I prefer to be in bed by then with a girl.

[Butter69]

Is this a good spot to find talent?I visited this club on a Saturday night early May I think around 1 am. From what I saw, you get girls going in there from Café Havana who haven't yet found their customer for the night yet. I paid 500 p entrance and you can order 1 drink with that too. Girls get to go inside for free. It wasn't very busy for a Sat night which surprised me. 1 girl quoted 200 usd for sex but wouldn't stay the night because she wanted to see the Floyd / Manny boxing match in the morning. Of course I refused that ridiculous offer. She wasn't worth that anyway. Later after an hour I saw her walking out with some other guy.

[Medellin Kuya]

You should repost in the Manila Hotels thread. Probably not a good idea to pay for one month hotel stay sight unseen! What might be adequate for one person, might not be for you.This is not a hotel. Its an apartment which gets booked 1-2 months in advanced. Hotels cost way too much especially for someone staying 1-2 months. I read the reviews and seen the pictures and know about the building.

Should be good to go.

[Medellin Kuya]

After a good party at Gramercy71 a few months back we went to a place, discobar, in Burgos called TIME. There was a good mix of regular girls afterpartying and workinggirls. I brought my own "food" but seemed like a very easy place to hook up. Also located in a basement. Maybe they've changed name to Bronx now?I didn't think Time was on Burgos. Are you talking about Bronx?

[Zucr For Massage]

I have a 10 hour Layover in Manila, would appreciate any advise on quick action possibilities. Don't want to stray too far away from airport to leave some relaxing time as I have a flight & a meeting ahead.

Much appreciate any pointers / advice.

Cheers. ZFM.

[D Cups]

It seems like this was just answered a few pages back. Go to Star Fleet in Paranaque if you want to stay near airport. Otherwise go to Malate and LA Cafe. Geez.


I have a 10 hour Layover in Manila, would appreciate any advise on quick action possibilities. Don't want to stray too far away from airport to leave some relaxing time as I have a flight & a meeting ahead.

Much appreciate any pointers / advice.

Cheers. ZFM..

[Engine Driver]

I have a 10 hour Layover in Manila, would appreciate any advise on quick action possibilities. Don't want to stray too far away from airport to leave some relaxing time as I have a flight & a meeting ahead.

Much appreciate any pointers / advice.

Cheers. ZFM.Depends on what your budget is. If you can afford $170, book a room at the Diamond Hotel in Ermita. This is a girl friendly 5 star hotel and they check girls ID before she goes up. Then walk 300 m down the road to LA Cafe and you will pick up a girl within 3 minutes flat. The rate for ST with a freelancer should be around 2 - 2. 5 K. Then take her to the room and fuck her brains out before kicking her out. You can relax at this beautiful hotel, go for a swim and have a nice meal before taking the cab back to NAIA.

If your budget is limited, Pasay City has a number of short time stay hotels at around PHP 1000 for 6 hours. LA Cafe is then a short cab ride away. Pasay to NAIA is not far.

[Zucr For Massage]

Thanks the cups & ED for your comments.

Diamond hotel / LA caffe combo sounds good, a 10 hour layover now looks nice, I have been fussing over the itinerary. .

Will update on how it goes.

Cheers. ZFM.

[Slippery]

Can't beat the place for the area it's in. There are less expensive options close to LA, but Diamond is at the top of the heap.

[IllusionHeart]

April 25 (Day 2: Saturday) Continued from Singapore.


We landed on time in Manila at 6. 30 pm. Luggage took some time as 3 flights had landed at the same time causing too much crowd near the belt. I scouted for a Smart Sim card which I would be using extensively over the next 8 days but couldn't find one. We had landed at Terminal 2. Globe was available and in retrospect I should have picked that carrier.

Taxi wait time was an hour before we were on way to Century Park Hotel (CPH) in Ocampo Street. We had booked 3 nights there. The hotel was pretty good, a tad expensive but worth it. Thought behind this was that we could head out to MBC, P Burgos Street and EDSA on each one of the nights conveniently. There was a signboard at the reception which said that all guests had to leave by 10 pm. This got me slightly worried as it was 9. 30 pm by the time we had checked in but it never impacted us on any of the nights. Luckily CPH has a second entrance from the Harrison Plaza side and majority of the cabbies drop you there. Easier to access for them I guess. Works well for me. This way I avoid the reception desk completely.

We hit LA Cafe at approx. 11 pm. Enroute I got myself a Smart Sim from a 7/11 with Always On 499 peso 30 day 1. 5 GB internet plan. There was decent talent inside as we walked in. The waitress vacated two girls from their seats near the bar and seated us. We finished a SML scouting for potential night partners not letting HI's and Hello's from the mature ones distract us. We decided to check the bar upstairs. Entrance was 100 pesos. Big mistake. Not many girls there, finished a SML listening to few rock songs played on our request by the live band. Place was occupied by Korean and Japanese men and they had some pretty girls accompanying them. We came back downstairs and got another SML. Eyeing around one girl got my gaze and I smiled at her. She was by my side in seconds and I got a drink for her. Her name was Miles. Cris in the meantime had identified his girl. We closed on 3000 pesos for LT. We decided to move out of the place as it was 2 am but we wanted to party a bit more. I asked Miles if she could take us to a good disco around. We hailed a cab and went to Club ZZXYZ. Whatever. Cab fare henceforth for short journeys was 100 pesos flat and the girls stayed quiet like Thai girls letting their brethren fleece us. The club was a Korean joint with some really pretty girls hanging around. EDM got us in the mood. We got ourselves a table with seating that cost us 1500 Pesos (redeemable with drinks and finger food up to that value and would need to pay more if we exceeded). I liked this model unlike Insomnia in Pattaya where you get a table only if you avail bottle service. We shook our booty for some time with the girls and were back to CPH. This is when I found out about the alternate entrance which bypasses the reception and takes us straight to the lift through an escalator. The girl's ID is checked and noted in the register at the entrance and a call is made to us the morning when the girl is leaving.

I went to bed with Miles by 4 am. We showered by turn. Miles was around 4' 10" had good be sized breast but had scar marks all over her belly. Single mother. It was too late now and I had to get a pop. Session with her included BBBJ and DFK, started in miss and finished in doggy. Slept after that. Was woken up by her bathroom visit in the afternoon, had another session with her. We wanted to check Robinson's mall and also get the 4 G plan activated at the SMART store there. Let her go with 200 peso tip as I couldn't take her for breakfast. We had overslept.

Overall experience 6. 5/10.

[IllusionHeart]

April 26 (Day 3: Sunday)


We got to Robinsons mall by cab, got ourselves some food. I went to the SMART store wherein the front desk guy told me that I had bought a 3 G plan and 4 G plan can be activated only when I finish 1. 5 GB data. What a waste of money. Came back to Hotel and spend some time lazing around and enjoying the JD we had brought with us. Plan was to hit P Burgos Street that night. We started by 11 pm from CPH to P Burgos, got there in 20 minutes. First bar was Rogues. Place looked empty. It seemed that we were quite late. Got ourselves a SML, played Pool but not a single girl in sight to barfine.

We went to Bottoms Up and there was some crowd inside. Settled down for another SML. Few topless women dancing and moving around but nothing too fancy to barfine. We packed up and decide to go to Havana caf at Greenbelt 3 and further on to LA Cafe as we could always find someone there. We reached Havana by 1 am. Live band playing and lot of people dancing all around. Got ourselves two cans of Heineken. This place was Cougar town. Within minutes we had two cougars hitting us up which we politely declined to share our table with. I went out to smoke and check the talent outside but most of the women were already accompanied. There were simply no girls there and even If we would have been desperate we were in no mood for cougars. We decided to move on to LA Cafe.

We reached by LA Cafe and got ourselves seated. Some women from last night were hanging around. Saw Miles seated in a corner, smiled to her and she smiled back but she maintained her distance sensing that I was a man butterfly and was on to the next girl for the night. We hung around for another hour but nothing caught mine or Cris's fancy. We called it a night thinking we still had 1 more night in Manila and 5 nights coming up in AC.

[IllusionHeart]

April 27 (Day 4: Monday)


We went to Mall of Asia in the Afternoon, got some food and hung around for some time. I connected to a girl on WeChat and she wanted 6000 pesos for few hours. Ignored her. Social media apps had not been useful for me in the past 3 days in Manila. Some initial chats but nothing concrete materialized.

We had few shots of JD in the room and headed out to EDSA. We went to Firehouse first, average talent, nothing caught our fancy, finished our SML and went to Cotton Club. As soon as I was seated a PYT smiled at me and I called her over. Her name was J (name withheld as she's in regular touch with me now) surely one of the beautiful girls amongst the few present there. We clicked instantly. I got her a lady drink and myself a shoulder massage along with SML. I saw one good looking gal and told Cris to call her over. I also asked the massage lady whether she could get someone to call her. The massage lady told us that the girl only went with Japanese clients. She was not interested in men of other race. Cris didn't find anyone else interesting there so we decided to hit MBC again. I barfined J, paid 1950 peso BF and 3000 peso for LT and tipped 100 peso to the lady masseuse. Overall a bit expensive. We went to LA Cafe. Got ourselves seated. Cris found his girl within minutes of arriving there. J was very sweet and caring and was offering me the GFE I wanted. We spent an hour or so there and decided to move on to a disco. We took a cab to Club Exclusiv, paid 100 pesos for the short ride. Another Korean joint. Not much crowd inside so we moved back to Club ZZXYZ which was across the street. Got ourselves a table and had few drinks. There were some real good looking girls inside but seemed more focused on the Korean men present there. I would not suggest this place for a pickup unless you are Korean or a person with some great pickup skills. We danced and drank till 4 am and decided to head back to hotel as we had to check out at 12 and drive to AC. We retired to our room and got ourselves a shower. J is approx. 5"1" or 2", be sized breasts decent body but great attitude. She was amazing in bed and was open for all sort of naughty play. Didn't try anal though. Excellent DFK and decent BBBJ. Rare combination of good looks and naughtiness in bed. I was satiated. We went to sleep with me thinking about a good pop in the morning. I was woken up by Jsaying that there was a problem. Dazed and confused from sleep I asked her what happened. Was it checkout time. Fortunately it was 10 am but she had got her period. That very sentence killed my mood. I asked her to go home, tipped her 200 pesos. Got her digits and added her on fb. Maybe it was destiny that I could only enjoy 1 pop with her. She left with a very sorry face apologizing but nothing that we could do about it but promise to meet her next time.

Overall experience 8/10.

I had taken the number of a Private Taxi guy from senior forum member "Good Enough". I had sent a text to Taxi guy the previous evening to pick us up and drop to Lewis Grand Hotel in AC where we were booked for 5 nights. He arrived on time in a spanking new Toyota Altis. We paid him 2600 pesos for the drive up to AC. No tips.

Continued in AC thread...

[Member #4698]

There are less expensive options close to LA, but Diamond is at the top of the heap.The Diamond hotel is quite nice as in 4. 5* hotel. I have always found rate discounts at around $100/ night on Agoda / Bookingdotcom ect. Shop around. Don't pay the rack rate.

[ImAGuy]

So, Dollhouse is the place to go for model-tier girls?

How much do they run per night?

[Engine Driver]

I can confirm it's very easy to pick up a girl at Robinson Mall, Ermita for ST action. I was approached twice at the entrance to the mall before going to the security line. I walked straight past one girl and the other one looked unclean and untidy so I said no. Inside the mall, within a few minutes a girl smiled, but I was on a mission to get something so smiled back and kept walking. About half-an-hour later another MILF in her 30's makes eye contact and smiles. I invited her over and bought her a bubble cup coconut drink. We got talking and she said 2,500 for ST. I said let's make it 2,000 and she agreed. So off we go to the Diamond Hotel at 12.00 noon and get down to business. Service was quite mechanical and with none of the passion or enthusiasm I was expecting (after being spoiled in AC). She showered at the start, but there was a bit of mucus discharge in her pussy, so I passed on DATY. But it wasn't too bad overall. DFK, CBJ and came doggie while playing with her A cup tits. We showered again and she was out by 12.40 pm. She asked me if I wanted a companion for the next day, but I said I was leaving that evening.

If you don't want to go to LA Cafe and be forced to drink one more SML and fight off the back massage bandits, then Robinson is an option but with limited choice.

[Slippery]

I can confirm it's very easy to pick up a girl at Robinson Mall, Ermita for ST action. I was approached twice at the entrance to the mall before going to the security line. I walked straight past one girl and the other one looked unclean and untidy so I said no. Inside the mall, within a few minutes a girl smiled, but I was on a mission to get something so smiled back and kept walking. About half-an-hour later another MILF in her 30's makes eye contact and smiles. I invited her over and bought her a bubble cup coconut drink. We got talking and she said 2,500 for ST. I said let's make it 2,000 and she agreed. So off we go to the Diamond Hotel at 12.00 noon and get down to business. Service was quite mechanical and with none of the passion or enthusiasm I was expecting (after being spoiled in AC). She showered at the start, but there was a bit of mucus discharge in her pussy, so I passed on DATY. But it wasn't too bad overall. DFK, CBJ and came doggie while playing with her A cup tits. We showered again and she was out by 12.40 pm. She asked me if I wanted a companion for the next day, but I said I was leaving that evening.

If you don't want to go to LA Cafe and be forced to drink one more SML and fight off the back massage bandits, then Robinson is an option but with limited choice.Was there on Wednesday and was approached no less than 6 times in 45 minutes. One literally chasing me down "Excuse me sir, excuse me sir, excuse me sir. " I'm at Harrison more often than Robinson's since Harrison is a short walk away. In about 40 times at Harrison, I've been approached only once.

[Aussieswine]

Aloha,

Bit of advice if possible. I have a return cheap flight to Manila coming up but looking online seems that the place is a shit hole.

Been to Thailand about 20 times in the last few years. Should I just skip going to PI and get a flight from there to BKK and go Pattaya?

Hotels seem so expensive in PI compared to Pattaya. Plus being in Manila before I felt relatively unsafe most places I went.

I've read its harder to find a hot girl, in AC anyway. So what would be best, just go to pattaya and leave PI?

[WestCoast1]

Aloha,

Bit of advice if possible. I have a return cheap flight to Manila coming up but looking online seems that the place is a shit hole.

Been to Thailand about 20 times in the last few years. Should I just skip going to PI and get a flight from there to BKK and go Pattaya?

Hotels seem so expensive in PI compared to Pattaya. Plus being in Manila before I felt relatively unsafe most places I went.

I've read its harder to find a hot girl, in AC anyway. So what would be best, just go to pattaya and leave PI?Be safe, go to Patts.

[Dg8787]

Be safe, go to Patts.Yep. Best to play it safe. Aloha.

[Capt Munch]

Aloha,

I've read its harder to find a hot girl, in AC anyway. So what would be best, just go to pattaya and leave PI?Agree. . . With you and with the other advice. . . You seem to have developed a few preconceptions of what you will expect to find here in the Philippines.

Enjoy your stay in Thailand (Pattaya).

I don't have 20 trips to Pattaya under my belt (only 1 actually) but I do have the Phils experience.

I think the GFE and cute Filipinas who speak English are why I like it here. Except for 1 short time "stunner" on my last night in Thailand, I would say there wasn't much difference in performance from the average girls (LOL).

Now. . . . I did get to ride an elephant in Thailand. . . Something I can't do here in Phils.

Munch.

[WestCoast1]

Now. . . . I did get to ride an elephant in Thailand. . . Something I can't do here in Phils.

Munch.Just hang around Jolliebee.

[Wicked Roger]

Aloha,

Bit of advice if possible. I have a return cheap flight to Manila coming up but looking online seems that the place is a shit hole.

Been to Thailand about 20 times in the last few years. Should I just skip going to PI and get a flight from there to BKK and go Pattaya?

Hotels seem so expensive in PI compared to Pattaya. Plus being in Manila before I felt relatively unsafe most places I went.

I've read its harder to find a hot girl, in AC anyway. So what would be best, just go to pattaya and leave PI?You asked the same question in 2011 (you first of the 2 FRs you have 'contributed' here).

So stay wherever you are as clearly you don't want to live in a shit hole with expensive hotels, lots of noise, lots of expats (many with tattoos) and feeling very unsafe.

But that describes Pattaya for me LOL so stay in Oz as clearly you prefer the wilder side of life there.

[Engine Driver]

Aloha,


I've read its harder to find a hot girl, in AC anyway. So what would be best, just go to pattaya and leave PI?Yeah, it's very hard to find a hot girl in AC. You only trip over them every three meters or so! How many hot babes do you need? Can you fuck more than two a night?

As WR has pointed out, I think you'd be better to stay in nice safe Australia, with its cheap hotels and beautiful white 40 year old MILFs. I think Manila and AC would be too scary for you and the women would be too ugly by your standards.

[PeeMan]

My 3rd night in Sabang. The place has changed. On my last two trips, the FLs had been policed and rarely seen hanging around. This time Apple bar is filled with at least half a doz or more FLs and they are openly soliciting customers like in LA Cafe. The first night picked up an FL with great makeup and hair and went bar hopping. She had done a year long course in cosmetology she explained and that's why her made up face was a cut above all the other bar girls in Sabang. Started at Midnight bar at the end of the street then hit PP disco village before moving on. Had a rocking time in the 3rd bar we hit CocoLips. The music was metal rock at the time so much more atmospheric than the pounding pop music in other bars. Unfortunately we enjoyed the mood a little too much and a few drinks later she started hinting she was drunk.

Back in the room no sooner than I started pounding her she started pushing me away and started groping for the front door, stark naked. It took me a few seconds into realize that she wanted to retch all over the floor. I grabbed her by the arm and guided her to the toilet where she knelt with her chin resting on the bowl and spent a good 10 minutes retching. There was nothing coming out thankfully except her saliva in drools. Back in bed she finally retched again all over the floor, again thankfully just water and drool. It was 2 am now and I gave up, mopped the floor lightly with a wet towel and went to sleep. She was apologetic all the time and barely able to hold her head up on her neck.

Woke up in the morning did a bit of pounding and let her off for the agreed fee. Decided not act stingy as we had a good time drinking in the bars anyways and she was a smart talker. So Sabang now has a 1.5k option in plenty not just the 3k action from the bars.

P.

[PeeMan]

2nd night started bar hopping without an FL because I had seen a hottie each in PP disc and cocolips the night before and was hoping to snare one of them. At PP disc the girl was not there. A friendly girl who had been taking interest in me the night before, I waved over and bought an LD for her. A closer look told me she was too old for my tastes and a bit ugly. The one hottie I saw had great looks with fake eyelashes and nicely painted cheeks and lips and looked not a day older than 16. A perfect body with looks matching a Parisian elegance and sophistication. I loved the way her straight hair fell into a nicely trimmed line cut just above the lower back. She turned out to be 26 with a baby. Unfortunately the chemistry wasn't a hit and she made excuses about having periods. That was two LDs and no bargal for the night yet.

Hit CocoLips again and was pushed a gal by the papasan almost immediately. I liked both her meat and attitude and suddenly acquired a desire to do a chubby gal like her rather than a skinny curvy one. She was genuinly friendly and teased me with her fingernails all the while. I was running low on cash so negotiated with the papasan to pay 2 k now and 1 k to the gal in the room. He readily agreed.

She was good fun in bed and I loved her flesh despite being about 5'2" with almost stocky build. Reminded me how much Women are so lovely when naked no matter what and how we men are too critical of form and proportion when we eye them with clothes on.

She made such an effort to tell me she was comfortable with Indian guys and her experiences with Indian money lenders and her moms dealings with them. A genuinely warm person with real goodwill for a customer. Nice! The sex was good.

P.

[PeeMan]

3rd night hit the bar opposite to PP disc before moving on to Cocalips again. Today as well was pushed a gal Samantha by another mamasan. I loved her 5'4" build with curvy and not skinny frame. She has her hair dyed partly blonde with a typical looks of one you see in p0 rn movies and with a slightly receded chin. Said she had worked as a maid in Dubai and was back waiting for her next contract. Now with the FL option In was wondering if I should have spent time at apple scouting for one. I already have an FL lined up for today whom I had met and promised the evening before over a drink. But I decided to enjoy the bar scene on a weekend / Sunday Rather than a Monday and leave the FL for a quiet day following. Also I was suspicious that 3 k was a bar fine for dancers but the gals sitting around could be had for less. So I negotiated it down to 2. 5 k with 1. 5 k bar fine and 1 k for gal in the room.

This one was a surprise in bed. Perfectly slutty skills in BJ and HJ just the way I love it. I secretly laughed at how she had told me she didn't like her house owner at dubai because he wanted to kiss her. She was such a p0 rn starlet in her actions I wanted to hire her as a maid for myself. We laughed about it. But like all gals too loose for a normal sized Indian dick- if you are thicker than 5.5" circumference you might enjoy her. So I decided to finish off with a HJ and loved it. The twist came soon after.

She went to the bathroom to clean up and came back fully dressed. I said what? She said I go. Then it struck me I had never discussed ST or LT. I said very firmly and assertively that LT was understood and she had to make it clear if it was ST when taking the money. Hearing my angry tone she started whining and pleading I have baby etc. I let her go with 500 instead of 1 k and thought that was the end of it. But wait. What follows is only a brief gist of a vocal half an hour of arguing - (mobile and typing dont go well I am sorry.)

In the morning I hear a knock and the resort manager tells me the mamasan is waiting for me to discuss the matter. He offered to explain on my behalf about the LT / ST thing and I agreed. But 15 minutes later he calls back saying she wants to discuss with you. I head to the reception and the mamasan is waiting with the gal and another housemaid type of friend. The mamasan, a very fair intellectual looking bespectacled lady, is extremely apologetic to me but insists I wanted ass which she didn't like and so she wanted to go. I said I only spoken to her about it and did not push it. Then she claimed I shooed her away. I said I only opened the door for her while she was sobbing and whining and told her to go as I did not want a reluctant female in bed all night. Then I insisted she not keep her part of the agreement. So the gal repeated what she had told me in the bar last night that she was only 3 days old and did not know the regulations and rules of the game. But she was still acting cocky. She threatened to call the police and walked away with her assistant. I let her go while I firmly argued with the mamasan in the hot sun. She comes back 15 mins later with no cop because my resort is at the far end of the beach. Again we argue and she is is not willing to let go of that 500. She tells me fck you you are just tourist I am local I will make you pay more than 500. I tell her go call the cops and try what you want. She walks away a second time saying she will go all the way this time until she reaches a barangay police station. I continue arguing with the mamasan and tell her I ruin her reputation on the internet because everyone discover Sabang via Internet and my bad experience with her will be known by everyone in the US and Europe. And that people would sart avoiding her bar. It seems to bother her a bit. Then after she had walked a good distance, I suddenly flipped and offered to pay the balance 500 and close the matter. I know they are bluffing from their tone and apologetic stance. Yet I decide to do it as its meant to be a pleasure vacation and what's 500 given the amount I am spending. Besides I have one more night of bar hopping to do and don't want to encounter the issue at night when I just want to be pleasantly drunk looking for the latest hottie. She yells out and calls them back from the distance. She quietly t

[Mr Hawaii]

FYI. Landed in MNL at terminal 2 on Friday, May 22nd. Was through immigration and in the taxi line in about 5 minutes. There were 20 people waiting, no taxis. Went up to the departure area by way of the stairs. Immediately jumped into a waiting taxi whose gracious driver immediately turned on his meter and off we went to Heritage Hotel. Upon arrival the fare was. Drumroll please. 99.50 p. I gave him an extra 20 pesos and he was happy. And that was with all the damn traffic. So, now you know what the price should be.

[Hutsori]

Also I was suspicious that 3 k was a bar fine for dancers but the gals sitting around could be had for less. So I negotiated it down to 2. 5 k with 1. 5 k bar fine and 1 k for gal in the room.

[...]

She went to the bathroom to clean up and came back fully dressed. I said what? She said I go. Then it struck me I had never discussed ST or LT. I said very firmly and assertively that LT was understood and she had to make it clear if it was ST when taking the money. Hearing my angry tone she started whining and pleading I have baby etc. I let her go with 500 instead of 1 k and thought that was the end of it. But wait. What follows is only a brief gist of a vocal half an hour of arguing.

[...]

Then after she had walked a good distance, I suddenly flipped and offered to pay the balance 500 and close the matter. I know they are bluffing from their tone and apologetic stance. Yet I decide to do it as its meant to be a pleasure vacation and what's 500 given the amount I am spending. Besides I have one more night of bar hopping to do and don't want to encounter the issue at night when I just want to be pleasantly drunk looking for the latest hottie.

What a mess. I don't understand how one has his wits about him to negotiate a barfine (not merely accept the initial price) but fails to discuss the details of the deal. But hey, different people's noggins work differently. When left vague what is understood between both parties can differ significantly, as seen here. Adding more complexity is the expectation that the other party is obliged to make things clear. In my life experience when I assigned unstated obligations to others, especially those who are strangers, it hasn't led to a satisfactory outcome usually. Better to make such demands of yourself by telling others exactly what you want; you'll be less likely to left disappointed or, worse, spend hours bickering and hear threats of police intervention. Implicit is rarely better than explicit. How some people choose to spend their precious vacation time...

In reading other FRs I know there who are some here who advocate not going over the details prior to paying a barfine. This FR shows the risks of this clearly. What one gains by leaving things unclear has never been explained to me compellingly.

[WestCoast1]

What a mess. SNIP

In reading other FRs I know there who are some here who advocate not going over the details prior to paying a barfine. This FR shows the risks of this clearly. What one gains by leaving things unclear has never been explained to me compellingly.Those who prefer not to discuss details prior to payment tell me that it "destroys the mood" and "is not romantic". To each his own, but I'm with you on this Huts. From the girl's point there is rarely a mood or romance that the gent himself is experiencing. It is a biz transaction that ups her romanticism.

These gents (and guys chatted sitting at bars in the area) also often use the word 'date'; I think there is often in AC / Burgos an untrue belief that they are taking the girl out of the bar for the evening on a date (because she's willing to go drinking / eating); hence the idea of romance. Nothing could be further from the truth: Just try taking the girl on that 'date' without paying the barfine.

[Red Kilt]

. <SNIP>

In reading other FRs I know there who are some here who advocate not going over the details prior to paying a barfine. This FR shows the risks of this clearly. What one gains by leaving things unclear has never been explained to me compellingly.Well said Huts, and as we both know, there is a daily need to make things absolutely clear and specific in everything you do in the Philippines.

For example: if you don't want mayonnaise on your sandwich you need to be very explicit, say it clearly, repeat it, and then listen carefully when the waiter repeats your order back to you. Same rule applies to planning the BF. Be very explicit, and don't move until there is clear mutual undertanding.

As WC says, forget about the "romance" aspect if it is a barfine; for the girl it is a business deal no matter how much you sugarcoat it. You should treat it as such too.

[Random99]

I can confirm it's very easy to pick up a girl at Robinson Mall, Ermita for ST action. I was approached twice at the entrance to the mall before going to the security line. I walked straight past one girl and the other one looked unclean and untidy so I said no. Inside the mall, within a few minutes a girl smiled, but I was on a mission to get something so smiled back and kept walking. About half-an-hour later another MILF in her 30's makes eye contact and smiles. I invited her over and bought her a bubble cup coconut drink. We got talking and she said 2,500 for ST. I said let's make it 2,000 and she agreed. So off we go to the Diamond Hotel at 12.00 noon and get down to business. Service was quite mechanical and with none of the passion or enthusiasm I was expecting (after being spoiled in AC). She showered at the start, but there was a bit of mucus discharge in her pussy, so I passed on DATY. But it wasn't too bad overall. DFK, CBJ and came doggie while playing with her A cup tits. We showered again and she was out by 12.40 pm. She asked me if I wanted a companion for the next day, but I said I was leaving that evening.

If you don't want to go to LA Cafe and be forced to drink one more SML and fight off the back massage bandits, then Robinson is an option but with limited choice.I used to hang out in that area at Jamba Juice and / or Starbucks. Yes, everyone has different tastes, but I found the quality hanging out in that area less the low. I guess at that time the selection is going to be limited at either place.

(I'm not one to penny pinch, but seems like an overpay for that area / quality.).

[Engine Driver]

I used to hang out in that area at Jamba Juice and / or Starbucks. Yes, everyone has different tastes, but I found the quality hanging out in that area less the low. I guess at that time the selection is going to be limited at either place.

(I'm not one to penny pinch, but seems like an overpay for that area / quality.).Yeah I've now learnt that the price for ST action from the mall is around 1000 PHP. When you are on vacation with limited time, you tend not to worry about overpaying. I was leaving that evening and wanted to squeeze in one more fuck before checking out of my room. Quality is not great, but better than the white whales I am used to seeing in Australian malls and you can't pick those up. LOL.

[Engine Driver]

Well said Huts, and as we both know, there is a daily need to make things absolutely clear and specific in everything you do in the Philippines.

For example: if you don't want mayonnaise on your sandwich you need to be very explicit, say it clearly, repeat it, and then listen carefully when the waiter repeats your order back to you. Same rule applies to planning the BF. Be very explicit, and don't move until there is clear mutual undertanding.

As WC says, forget about the "romance" aspect if it is a barfine; for the girl it is a business deal no matter how much you sugarcoat it. You should treat it as such too.In fairness to the Filipino people, I find their level of comprehension far better than say the Indonesians. You need to repeat many times to be assured an Indonesian has understood what you are saying and then they will still go and stuff up your order. Being exposed to American and Spanish cultures, Christianity and knowing English has certainly put the Filipons at the top of the tree when it comes to communication.

[FreebieFan]

. Being exposed to American and Spanish cultures, Christianity and knowing English has certainly put the Filipons at the top of the tree when it comes to communication.Hmm not sure I would totally agree on that. Many people have problems in Philippines because they generally receive a reply of " yes " or something equally affirmative to a question. That makes them assume that they were understood. Nothing can be further from the truth sometimes. The "yes" was just acknowledging what was said, but had nothing to do with actually comprehending its contents. Many problems occur in Philippines because someone says " do you understand me " and the reply is "yes".

[Sir Lancelot]

As WC says, forget about the "romance" aspect if it is a barfine; for the girl it is a business deal no matter how much you sugarcoat it. You should treat it as such too.Respectfully I disagree. Although money exchanges hands, my modus operandi is to make it as little like a business transaction as possible. I chat and get to know my girl, make her laugh and feel comfortable in my company and some time later, after I tell her how much I'll pay her (including tip if she makes me smile), I'll take her back to my hotel. It's not just about the sex for me, it's about the intimate moments, holding hands, talking till late, the kisses and cuddles and falling asleep arm in arm. I love the fact that I always walk out of the bar hand-in-hand and we always exchange mobile numbers next morning. I crave the 'girlfriend experience' when I travel and find that if I treat girls nicely, with respect, and don't make them feel like hookers, there can be a certain romance to proceedings. Especially in Philippines.

The girls are after money, of course they are, but while I would suggest that newcomers always establish terms and conditions in the bar, I think experience can bring an unspoken understanding with the girls. I do find it incredible for example that people believe they will get the same level of service from a girl they ask 'do you do anal?' within minutes of meeting her. Make her feel like a prostitute and she'll act like one in my experience but invest time and effort in getting to know a girl and she will give you what you want without the need for you going through a tick-list of requirements in the bar.

[Red Kilt]

<SNIP> Make her feel like a prostitute and she'll act like one in my experience but invest time and effort in getting to know a girl and she will give you what you want without the need for you going through a tick-list of requirements in the bar.In the final analysis, you are setting out to deceive her into getting what you want.

You know she is a prostitute.

She knows she is prostituting herself but is trying to deceive herself into thinking she's not.

It's all just a big charade, by both parties, and it ends up with the same result.

Guy gets his kicks and girl gets her money, despite all the deceptive processes that go on in between (from both sides).

[Engine Driver]

Hmm not sure I would totally agree on that. Many people have problems in Philippines because they generally receive a reply of " yes " or something equally affirmative to a question. That makes them assume that they were understood. Nothing can be further from the truth sometimes. The "yes" was just acknowledging what was said, but had nothing to do with actually comprehending its contents. Many problems occur in Philippines because someone says " do you understand me " and the reply is "yes".Compared to Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, the Filipinos seem a lot sharper and communicate much better. Have you ever tried getting anything done in Cambodia? It's a fuckin' nightmare just trying to check into your hotel. Pol Pot killed off anyone with an education. The only people allowed to live were illiterate rice farmers. They are the people now running the country.

[FreebieFan]

Compared to Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, the Filipinos seem a lot sharper and communicate much better. Have you ever tried getting anything done in Cambodia? It's a fuckin' nightmare just trying to check into your hotel. Pol Pot killed off anyone with an education. The only people allowed to live were illiterate rice farmers. They are the people now running the country.Blue Tongue staff in PP treated me great. The only mix up I had was communicating that I was extending my stay. And in a strange twist of fate or irony or whatever. The receptionist happened to be a Filipina working there. LOL.

[Lefeu]

In the final analysis, you are setting out to deceive her into getting what you want. You know she is a prostitute. She knows she is prostituting herself but is trying to deceive herself into thinking she's not.
It's all just a big charade, by both parties, and it ends up with the same result.I would like to disagree with you my friend. Treating a working girl like a girlfriend has worked wonder for me. I suggest you try this approach. You may be pleasantly surprised.

[Pantot]

Compared to Indonesia, Vietnam, Cambodia and Laos, the Filipinos seem a lot sharper and communicate much better. Have you ever tried getting anything done in Cambodia? It's a fuckin' nightmare just trying to check into your hotel.Frankly this is more of a function of familiarity with the english language. Filipinos take english classes all through school and virtually all who graduate high school will be relatively fluent in english whether they realize it or not. The Indochina countries you compare and Indonesia don't have nearly a strong English speaking component to thier society.

Its a matter of language comprehension not brightness. Pinoy are certainly no more bright than Cambodians there I met I feel confident in that.

[Red Kilt]

I would like to disagree with you my friend. Treating a working girl like a girlfriend has worked wonder for me. I suggest you try this approach. You may be pleasantly surprised.I've lived in the Philippines for almost 19 years now and I understand what you are saying, but you are still fooling yourself with the notion of the GFE.

No matter how much you want to spin it, sweet pretty young things giving GFE to a much older guy who may be bald, fat, ugly or tall, athletic and well-dressed is still a charade on her part, even if you convince yourself that she really does love to be with you.

As an Aussie, I treat everyone with respect, whether it's a bar / g, a hard-core working girl, a shop assistant or a beggar but you're going way beyond this notion of "respect".

It's OK for you to treat "working girls" like girlfriends but you shouldn't delude yourself that she really is "into" you.

Her devotion lasts as long as the transaction, after which it is back to business as usual after her pleasant little interlude, unless, of course, there is the prospect of her seeing you again (tomorrow; next week?) in which case she will prolong the charade.

[Random99]

I've lived in the Philippines for almost 19 years now and I understand what you are saying, but you are still fooling yourself with the notion of the GFE.

No matter how much you want to spin it, sweet pretty young things giving GFE to a much older guy who may be bald, fat, ugly or tall, athletic and well-dressed is still a charade on her part, even if you convince yourself that she really does love to be with you.

As an Aussie, I treat everyone with respect, whether it's a bar / g, a hard-core working girl, a shop assistant or a beggar but you're going way beyond this notion of "respect".

It's OK for you to treat "working girls" like girlfriends but you shouldn't delude yourself that she really is "into" you.

Her devotion lasts as long as the transaction, after which it is back to business as usual after her pleasant little interlude, unless, of course, there is the prospect of her seeing you again (tomorrow; next week?) in which case she will prolong the charade.Would 100% agree with this.

I've had 1 exception and it was with a girl who basically was paying off a loan at a massage parlor. Girl skipped out of town to avoid the loan. Went to visit her at the MP and found out she wasn't there anymore. I left and a few minutes later was followed out by other WGs asking / demanding for the girl's phone number. I gave them her phone number with a few digits off. I called her phone number which was based in a different city and warned her what happened. Unfortunately, the email address that I gave her was an account that stupid yahoo locked me out and I never got access again. Guess that's how fate works sometimes (although I don't believe in fate). Hope she is doing well and landed on her feet.

If it had been a few years later, I would have paid off the loan myself and let her live her life conscious free. (I had very little money saved up back then.).

[GoodEnough]

I've lived in the Philippines for almost 19 years now and I understand what you are saying, but you are still fooling yourself with the notion of the GFE.

No matter how much you want to spin it, sweet pretty young things giving GFE to a much older guy who may be bald, fat, ugly or tall, athletic and well-dressed is still a charade on her part, even if you convince yourself that she really does love to be with you.

As an Aussie, I treat everyone with respect, whether it's a bar / g, a hard-core working girl, a shop assistant or a beggar but you're going way beyond this notion of "respect".

It's OK for you to treat "working girls" like girlfriends but you shouldn't delude yourself that she really is "into" you.

Her devotion lasts as long as the transaction, after which it is back to business as usual after her pleasant little interlude, unless, of course, there is the prospect of her seeing you again (tomorrow; next week?) in which case she will prolong the charade.I can't claim as long in country as RK, but I've been here long enough to have come to the same conclusion. I believe in literature and drama there's a concept called "willing suspension of disbelief," which is, I suggest the ideal way to approach the endlessly re-enacted playlets between be-girls and punters. She pretends--often quite convincingly--to enjoy you for who you are, and you pretend (hopefully recognizing the pretense) that she's just enjoying the entire experience of being with you. As long as both actors in the drama realize they're each enacting a script there's no harm, no foul and a good time can be had by all. Filipinos are, I believe the best, which is to say the most convincing at playing these roles it's true, but it's important to remember that these are merely roles. Like RK, I try to treat everyone with whom I interact with respect and with dignity, and I expect to be treated the same way by virtue of my own humanity.

GE.

[Engine Driver]

Her devotion lasts as long as the transaction, after which it is back to business as usual after her pleasant little interlude, unless, of course, there is the prospect of her seeing you again (tomorrow; next week?) in which case she will prolong the charade.This is why I think so many foreigner / bar girl marriages end in disaster. A bar girl can never clock off the job in her mind, even if she is not physically pulling tricks on the side. The notion of normality doesn't exist. There's something in her make up which prevents her from being the marrying type.

[Sir Lancelot]

In the final analysis, you are setting out to deceive her into getting what you want.No I'm not, your analysis is wrong. The girl and I both know that I will pay her to have sex with me, I just prefer not to make it like a business transaction and girls undoubtedly appreciate it. Many have told me so. Girls have told me that although they are prostitutes they don't like being treated like a piece of meat.

Although I accept that my modus operandi means there is a chance that the girls could offer me a restricted menu or do a midnight runner, they never do. The way I see it, the better you treat them, the better they will treat you in return. Treat them like a prostitute and they will act like one. Nothing wrong with that of course. I could meet a girl in LA Cafe and have the kind of girlfriend experience I crave and the next night you could go with the same girl and come on her face and fuck her up the arse as much as you like, rules of engagement signed off in the bar.

As so often is the case on this site, there is no right or wrong answer.

You sound incredulous that people like me talk about the 'girlfriend experience' but I find it utterly bewildering that some people talk about 'interviewing' their choice of girl in the bar. I suspect it comes down to the individual. If you are old, fat and ugly (your words) then it's probably a good idea to establish terms and conditions beforehand. That's not me having a cheap shot by the way (I have no idea what anyone on this site looks like), but the elephant in the room here, which rarely gets discussed on this forum which so often seems to think that there is one golden rule for all, is that the older and uglier you are, the more you might need to establish ground rules before you take a girl. Maybe because I'm relatively young, slim, blue eyes and smile a lot, and don't treat them like prostitutes, the girls are sufficiently relaxed to give me what I want without me asking.

[FreebieFan]

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I have no idea what anyone on this site looks like.Just for the record, we are all young (ish) slim (ish), all possess blue eyes (except when brown green grey or just beer soaked red), muscle bound (ish), tanned (don't let the pink and red fool you, we're tanned).

And were often compared to Brad, George, and Vikings in general. LOL.

Those fat, bald, brown eyed guys. We don't know who they are.

[Engine Driver]

You sound incredulous that people like me talk about the 'girlfriend experience' but I find it utterly bewildering that some people talk about 'interviewing' their choice of girl in the bar. I suspect it comes down to the individual. If you are old, fat and ugly (your words) then it's probably a good idea to establish terms and conditions beforehand. That's not me having a cheap shot by the way (I have no idea what anyone on this site looks like), but the elephant in the room here, which rarely gets discussed on this forum which so often seems to think that there is one golden rule for all, is that the older and uglier you are, the more you might need to establish ground rules before you take a girl. Maybe because I'm relatively young, slim, blue eyes and smile a lot, and don't treat them like prostitutes, the girls are sufficiently relaxed to give me what I want without me asking.When your job is to fuck 300 foreign men a year for cash (in AC), the girls stop worrying about your physical appearance. I'm sure they say each of their customers is handsome, sexy etc. As others have pointed out, the girls are far cleverer in working you out than you might think. You are just a sucker who is going to blow a month's average pay in the Philippines on her in one night. The more you treat her like a princess, the more she is thinking that you are an idiot. By all means do treat her with respect, but don't go overboard. The purpose of the interview is establish what you are getting to limit the surprise factor when you get to your room. It is a business transaction. The girls are not fooled into thinking thinking this is some kind of romantic date. Only the punter is. What passes for a GFE and 'romance' is a just a good act by the girl. Don't think otherwise.

Treating her extremely well is no guarantee of a good outcome. The runners and the non-performers I had were treated exceptionally well beforehand with dinner, drinks and kindness and even an offer of deferring sex till the morning. By running or not performing, she is exerting the power she has over you (just like your wife or girlfriend). Sometimes you have to accept that the girl is jaded, worn out and is sick of fucking strange men each day. The burn out rate in AC is very high and I can understand that. After a while it's all just a blur for her.

[VIPhawaii]

When your job is to fuck 300 foreign men a year for cash (in AC), the girls stop worrying about your physical appearance. I'm sure they say each of their customers is handsome, sexy etc. As others have pointed out, the girls are far cleverer in working you out than you might think. You are just a sucker who is going to blow a month's average pay in the Philippines on her in one night. The more you treat her like a princess, the more she is thinking that you are an idiot. By all means do treat her with respect, but don't go overboard. The purpose of the interview is establish what you are getting to limit the surprise factor when you get to your room. It is a business transaction. The girls are not fooled into thinking thinking this is some kind of romantic date. Only the punter is. What passes for a GFE and 'romance' is a just a good act by the girl. Don't think otherwise.

Treating her extremely well is no guarantee of a good outcome. The runners and the non-performers I had were treated exceptionally well beforehand with dinner, drinks and kindness and even an offer of deferring sex till the morning. By running or not performing, she is exerting the power she has over you (just like your wife or girlfriend). Sometimes you have to accept that the girl is jaded, worn out and is sick of fucking strange men each day. The burn out rate in AC is very high and I can understand that. After a while it's all just a blur for her.This is Manila forum, not AC. Although there are working girls here, the vast majority are what you call semi-pro. They do this to supplement their income, and have some latitude to choose who they fuck.

Given the same amount of payout, a girl would choose to be with a more attractive person.

[PeeMan]

What a mess. I don't understand how one has his wits about him to negotiate a barfine (not merely accept the initial price) but fails to discuss the details of the deal. But hey, different people's noggins work differently. When left vague what is understood between both parties can differ significantly, as seen here. Adding more complexity is the expectation that the other party is obliged to make things clear. In my life experience when I assigned unstated obligations to others, especially those who are strangers, it hasn't led to a satisfactory outcome usually. Better to make such demands of yourself by telling others exactly what you want; you'll be less likely to left disappointed or, worse, spend hours bickering and hear threats of police intervention. Implicit is rarely better than explicit. How some people choose to spend their precious vacation time...

In reading other FRs I know there who are some here who advocate not going over the details prior to paying a barfine. This FR shows the risks of this clearly. What one gains by leaving things unclear has never been explained to me compellingly.Actually I always discuss the details beforehand. Call it beer-haze or what, that night I clean forgot. And when I realized my mistake as she was leaving, I wasn't going to tell that gal who I thought was trying to scam me anything like, oh my bad I forgot, you go easy. LOL. I just pretended it was her fault she didn't make it clear to me just to make life difficult for her. In the end it was the cognizance of this little mistake of mine that made me capitulate.

I've had originally interested women lose interest in me when I ask them "how many times" or "you do ass? Questions. The latest was just a few days back in Subic. On the other hand many gals who didn't want to do it four times by morning and backed out, when I clearly had the drive for it, I appreciated their honesty and the trouble it saved me.

Looking at the posts following - Regarding GFE it is true that one has to delude oneself into believing it is real love or romance, but then I see too many gals struggling to cope with the morality of what they do have problems when you treat them like "I pay you so you come with me" attitude. So I would advocate striking a balance where you play the game for the sake of game. Just to keep their attitude towards yourself playful flirty, enthusiastic and willing. No more. Call it a social skills game more than a GFE delusion if you wish. Just today I met a filipina salesgal who took great interest in me. And I do want to play it like a pretend-romance to enjoy her warmth and sunshine smile and oodles of charm. If there is one thing I love about filipinas it is their ability to make believe a real romance is happening while they secretly need your money. Who wants a business like transaction all the time, when one can try and play that romantic lover for practice and for kicks? Its got its own charm.

Cheers.

P.

[Sir Lancelot]

Engine Driver.

Almost every part of your email backs up a point I made in my post. For some reason, some people believe that there is one golden rule in Philippines that applies to everyone. There isn't. Different approaches work for different people. You like to 'interview' girls in the bar (I hate the phrase 'interview') and seem to get reasonable results most of the time, I treat them as little like a prostitute as I can and get great results. Without asking I seem to get the same end results as you (or dare I say better) and yet you are telling me that I'm doing it all wrong. I think that says more about your insecurities than anything I'm doing.

I read your recent reports on the Angeles page and get the impression that just because of a few knock-backs you now have a suspicion of most of these girls. You think they are hardened pro's who 'fucks 300 foreign men a year for cash' (your words) and it's all just cold, hard business for them. Thinking about it, you make them sound like western prostitutes. For you to say 'the more you treat her like a princess, the more she is thinking that you are an idiot' makes me wonder whether either you're picking the wrong girls or you need to polish up on your conversational skills. Your experiences simply don't tally with mine.


Treating her extremely well is no guarantee of a good outcome.It seems to be for me.

[MrTran]

Feels like I am at work, reading long emails again. Why don't you guys just PM each other!

[WestCoast1]

Feels like I am at work, reading long emails again. Why don't you guys just PM each other!Disagree. Its good to see the differing opinions.

[PGTour]

Wanted to know if the clubs are open and what the availability is like, thanks.

[X Man]

Everyone goes to church on Sundays. Wait until Monday.

[Ikksman]

{S N I P}
For you to say 'the more you treat her like a princess, the more she is thinking that you are an idiot' makes me wonder whether either you're picking the wrong girls or you need to polish up on your conversational skills. Your experiences simply don't tally with mine.There is an enormous difference between 'treating the girl well', and making her feel comfortable with you.

Sir LL, it is much more than just conversation skills. You have the personality and (probably innate) ability to make the SYT feel comfortable with you. There are many aspects to this - attentiveness, genuine interest, showing appreciation, etc etc.

Feigned politeness and civility, and buying a girl dinner, gifts or whatever have little to do in determining whether or not she is going to do a runner or be a non-performer. And yes, most girls are skilled in identifying whether or not the words come from your heart!

And I disagree with ED, that a punter's physical appearance does not impact the performance of the SYT.

Ikksman.

[OsakaGin11]

Those who prefer not to discuss details prior to payment tell me that it "destroys the mood" and "is not romantic". To each his own, but I'm with you on this Huts. From the girl's point there is rarely a mood or romance that the gent himself is experiencing. It is a biz transaction that ups her romanticism.

These gents (and guys chatted sitting at bars in the area) also often use the word 'date'; I think there is often in AC / Burgos an untrue belief that they are taking the girl out of the bar for the evening on a date (because she's willing to go drinking / eating); hence the idea of romance. Nothing could be further from the truth: Just try taking the girl on that 'date' without paying the barfine.Totally agree with this sentiment. Before you leave the bar, it should be clear in both your minds and the mama san's too, if your gal's English is limited, what the deal is. IMHO, how long for, how much for and what you expect her to do at your hotel, should be discussed and agreed upon before you exit the bar or club.

[WestCoast1]

Totally agree with this sentiment. Before you leave the bar, it should be clear in both your minds and the mama san's too, if your gal's English is limited, what the deal is. IMHO, how long for, how much for and what you expect her to do at your hotel, should be discussed and agreed upon before you exit the bar or club.This applies to AC (not so much Burgos / EDSA bar girls, who expect a big tip in the morning). Besides the 'it-breaks-the-mood' reasoning for not discussing details in the bar, here is another reason I've been given (which does not seem to hold water -- to me): You can't force a girl to stay the night, she is not required to do so. Her only requirements are to either sex you once, or spend a few hours with you. While that is technically correct, there are some things you can do to either eliminate taking this girl in the first place (by finding out before hand if she intends to depart early), or persuade her to stay the time intended. Those things include at least these:

1. Discuss details with her in the bar. Be clear your expectations.

2. Discuss the details with the mama, preferably in front of the girl.

3. Photograph the girl's ID.

4. Photograph the girl (I don't take them unless they've agreed to that in the bar w / mama).

5. Do not go bar hopping with the girl before going to the room. The most time you should spend outside the room (before your first pop) is time enough to stop for some fast-food (takeout) for the girl. While these situations sometimes go well (she spends the night), nothing says "I set myself up to fail" when she just departs after spending several hours bar-hopping with you (and without even going to your hotel), especially if you didn't do #1 & 2 above. Complaining to the mama later will simply draw an apology (at best) and a smile from her face: you f*cked up. You can always take her bar hopping after your first pop.

While none of these can guarantee a non-runner, each of them in turn either greatly reduces the likelihood of running (or not performing as requested). BTW #2 above catches the occasional liar. During #1, she agreed to stay until 10 am (not knowing that we would run thru the list with mama / waitress later). Once chatting mama, the girl packpedals: "Oh no. I go 6 am. Hehe". Sorry mama, she lied. I'll be taking my money back now.

Here is another reason I've been given for not doing the above: It takes too much time or its too difficult. I could be wrong, but #1 takes about 20 seconds (total: she will either say yes or no to my list), #2 takes 20 seconds, #3 takes 10 seconds. I am going to do #4 anyway, but even if you don't intend to take nawty pics, you can take 10 seconds to take just one naked pic of the girl (be fun about it, take a selfie of you and the girl together on the bed). All the steps above can take a combined 1 minute. I know, I know: its not romantic. But its a relatively successful strategy, as is Sir Lance's nearly opposite strategy.

[Member #4698]

5. Do not go bar hopping with the girl before going to the room. The most time you should spend outside the room (before your first pop) is time enough to stop for some fast-food (takeout) for the girl. While these situations sometimes go well (she spends the night), nothing says "I set myself up to fail" when she just departs after spending several hours bar-hopping with you (and without even going to your hotel), especially if you didn't do #1 & 2 above. Complaining to the mama later will simply draw an apology (at best) and a smile from her face: you f*cked up. You can always take her bar hopping after your first pop.
#5 is absolutely spot on. Strike while the iron is hot! I don't know why some guys want to barhop several hours after they have barfined a girl. I want to get it on. I guess they like booze. Anyway, after the 1st shag if everything went well; that is the time to go out and get something to eat and/or drink.

Since this is the Manila thread I will mainly address the issue as it relates to Burgos Bar girls. Running is much less a concern with Burgos girls than AC bar girls. That is because all parties agree that ST and LT are separate service options and available at different prices. You and your girl have to decide beforehand if the takeout is going to be 1 to 3 hours or overnight. There is no EWR on Burgos. There is a barfine that is put on your tab, equivalent to 10 Tequila shots, when you decide to take a girl out. Any lady drinks you bought for the girl previously that night are included in and not added on top of the barfine. You must pay your tab before you leave the bar with your girl. Then there is a separate "Tip" or service charge to be agreed upon privately and paid directly to your girl AFTER her service is rendered. This arrangement, much like the one in BKK and Pat really works better nowadays than the set up in AC. Once upon a time, only a few years ago, the AC system was great because it was really cheap and because the girls did not cheat. LT was the accepted norm. But some girls have bitten the apple, gone bad, and started cheating. For that reason pre-negotiation is sadly becoming necessary in AC. But pre-negotiation is not sufficient IMHO to having a good session. The customer still has to contend with under-performance issues. This leads to...

My # 1 procedure: I always interview/audition my prospective girl. THIS IS THE KEY TO HAPPINESS. I always like to test drive my girl and in my favorite Burgos bars (and some AC bars) this is not only possible; the good girl, the girl who wants me barfine her, encourages it. In Bottoms, for example, the girls wear narrow suspenders over their nipples as a top. Usually within a minute or two of my asking a girl to sit down at my table or booth, she will fling her suspenders to her side and offer me her nipples to kiss. From there a steamy audition/tryout begins. Two Tequila shots later I am pretty sure what I am going to get back in my room and I have never been disappointed except in those rare situations when her pussy turned out to be too large or I didn't notice a bad smell emanating from down there. Ha Ha. But those occasions are very rare and I am careful in my selection process to avoid girls with hygiene issues. And still I always choose ST with a new Burgos or BKK / Pat bar girl. I know I can always call an audible later and ask her to stay longer (for the LT price) after the 1st shag if I really like her.

[KongKing]

There is no EWR on Burgos.EWR is not in the ISG abbreviations. Meaning?

[Sammon]

EWR is not in the ISG abbreviations. Meaning?EWR means early work release aka bar fine aka go and have fun with the girl.

[Mr Pards]

First trip to Manila last week. I am not a newbie in the general sense as have trawled fairly extensively over the years in Hong Kong, Bangkok, Dubai and Pattaya (that is my order of preference). I am mildly embarrassed at not having contributed in the past but certainly have benefited from RTF. Anyway a small correction finally hit Manila mid-week and with biz commitments ended up with only one night of action. Stayed at Marriott which is over-priced but very handy for the airport. First stop EDSA, Passay. Went to Firehouse and Pitstop. This was <9 pm and I was basically only customer in both. Compared to LOS was struck by overall quality of lady's dancing in GoGo type establishment. Classic "barrel" shape (distribution of quality not actual shapes) so few real stunner's, few low end but plenty of middle quality. Being only customer qualified for lots of attention and plenty of frisks. Bought a few lady drinks, but not too pushy and moved on. But generally the quality of these two places was better than I had been led to believe from RTF.

Moved onto Emrita and following the teachings of Lancelot et al and homed in on LA Cafe. Huge variety of ladies. BTW I had feared a long journey stuck in traffic getting from Passay to Emrita but none of it, took 20 -25 minutes only. Once inside drinks reasonably priced and little or no pressure to buy lady drinks. Perhaps my imagination but bar seem to be divided up by males Western, Asian, Middle Easter perhaps. Anyway so what. Lots and lots of ladies of all qualified ages and I think plenty of pro's, semi-pros and real amateurs. Scouted up stairs but waste of 100 Peso's. Spoke to large number of ladies and nearly all very amusing and entertaining in that uniquely Pinay way. Bought a set of sexy triplets (yeah right!) a round. Very appreciative, no hard sell but all ready and willing. Could easily have selected + 20 women but eventually had to make a choice. Hooked up with two ladies who were cousins. One mid 20's, a real stunner some Spanish mixed in with Pinay. Other bit older was a part-timer and goes to college in Makati one day a week and hits LA Caf as soon as the lectures (nursing) are done. Not as hot but a laugh a minute and could not resist that, so she was the lucky one. Wanted 4,000 but I said 3,000 and she accepted with no quibble. Probably could have gone <2,000 but that not my way and turned out to be great value IMHO at 3,000. Total GFE, all nighter, multiple pops and enthusiastic in every sense. Sense of humor was fully intact next morning a real great "girl next door" I would say. Solid 7.5/10.

I realise that there is nothing insightful in this report but for certain LA Cafe exceeded my expectations (based on RTF). For sure "one swallow does not make a summer" but no question I will be back here and the only slightly similar bar that I am familiar with is that Beer Garden place around Soi 7 in Bangkok. But LA Cafe is off the scale compared to that place.

[WestCoast1]

I realise that there is nothing insightful in this report but for certain LA Cafe exceeded my expectations (based on RTF). For sure "one swallow does not make a summer" but no question I will be back here and the only slightly similar bar that I am familiar with is that Beer Garden place around Soi 7 in Bangkok. But LA Cafe is off the scale compared to that place.That's a good, descriptive report. Other newbs take note.

Why do you say LA Cafe is off the scale (comparatively)?

[PeeMan]

Went to L. A caf last night. Got cornered by a short round FL who spoke in a well mannered demeanor. Her makeup was classy and well done unlike the other gals. Bought her an LD and we got chatting. She asked me my background, vacation or work etc, how many times I had come to LA Caf and if I picked up a gal last time. Soon offered to give me a massage for "One Thousand P". I asked her to repeat because I was surprised at the perfectly quoted street price that didn't require haggling or negotiation. She repeated "One thousand P" again, over the loud music while I read her lips to be sure. I said let the beer decide later, lets just drink now. She said she worked at SG airport at a food stall for a few years and was waiting for a new contract to go back. Over the small talk she mentioned that she had bought a house somewhere on the coast for her parents, a boat for her fisherman dad and yet another house in the interiors recently because she didn't like living by the sea. All on the money she earned as a counter sales girl in SG!! I didn't know whether to believe her, but joked maybe I should be giving her a massage and she could pay me some. She laughed. Her friend was hovering over our shoulders and listening in. After a while she said maybe you should take both me and my friend together. She could stay short time. The friend quoted 2 K for it. Something was amiss. This gal was ready for massage in 1 K perhaps 1. 5 K LT if I asked about it and her friend wanted 2 k ST? I refused and also got suspicious. Some half an hour later, it was midnight I was sleepy and tired as hell, maybe even a little unwell, so I decided to go and take her along.
Outside as we decided to look for a jeepney or some transport, the suspicion about her friends 2 k quote crept back. So I started talking about her friends quote - "Wait, I said. You want 1 K for LT and your friend 2 K for ST"? "She is expensive" the gal replied in a guarded fashion. "How much you said - 1 k right"? I asked again. "I said FOUR Thousand P...." mouthing the FOUR like FORN Thousand, but with a somewhat crestfallen face knowing her game was up. I said "bulllsh!t you said 1 K... don't want to negotiate, lets go back", and turned around to head back to LA Cafe. "We can talk..." she said falteringly. "How much you give"? "Not interested..." My mood is off now. "I always pay 1 K ST and 1. 5 K LT..." I said and walked back in a huff.

Went back to LA Caf and headed upstairs to where the live band was playing. While turning I noticed she was telling her friend with a grimace how I had caught her trick and was an old timer who could not be scammed (lip reading of course).

Since I positively felt sick and tired by now, refused another gal who came over to my table and headed back to my room shortly later.

P.

[Mr Pards]

That's a good, descriptive report. Other newbs take note.

Why do you say LA Cafe is off the scale (comparatively)?Perhaps I am being over critical of The Beer Garden as I have taken fruit from there before and I am sure it has a faithful following. Maybe based on price or efficiency! For me its way to functional, nothing left to the imagination. The layout of the bar is more like a dormitory or a visitor room at a prison. And it has no "cover" at all. LA Café has few nooks and crannies and just a much more welcoming place. Much better for cruising and perusing.

[PeeMan]

Perhaps I am being over critical of The Beer Garden as I have taken fruit from there before and I am sure it has a faithful following. Maybe based on price or efficiency! For me its way to functional, nothing left to the imagination. The layout of the bar is more like a dormitory or a visitor room at a prison. And it has no "cover" at all. LA Caf has few nooks and crannies and just a much more welcoming place. Much better for cruising and perusing.My last visit to Beer Garten in 2014 - it looked like a wasteland no longer frequented by any interesting ladies or punters. Maybe it has to do with a trend in Thai women finding work abroad rather than seek their fortunes locally.

P.

[Wolvenvacht]

Classic "barrel" shape (distribution of quality not actual shapes) so few real stunner's, few low end but plenty of middle quality.

Don't you mean "bell shape" rather than "barrel shape"?

[WestCoast1]

Don't you mean "bell shape" rather than "barrel shape"?Maybe he had some barrel peppers before he typed that.

[Member #4387]

I have since my arrival here been without bags (they are stuck in Istanbul) and in my bags I did have many pk of Kamagra gel. I have been fucking now on good old steam but I have ran oit of powers. I used the search engine here for "viagra" and found a clever member suggesting going to Mercury and claim you lost your prescription. HM, well I tried that in 3 Mercuries now and they don't accept this excuse of mine and the same goes for any generics as RiteMed, Andros and Tigerfil.

So any of you fine gents know how to get some support medication? I have dates coming in here and no power so I end up just fingering them and out they go. And please only accurate information on where and not "I heard from a friend that thinks a cousin of him got some doing this or that".

I know I ask for a lot but I will be more than greatful.

Thanks in advance.

I know ofcourse I can buy street medics but, even if the plasibo effect is strong, I want to stay away from swallowing paint or poison.

[Hutsori]

I have since my arrival here been without bags (they are stuck in Istanbul) and in my bags I did have many pk of Kamagra gel. I have been fucking now on good old steam but I have ran oit of powers. I used the search engine here for "viagra" and found a clever member suggesting going to Mercury and claim you lost your prescription. HM, well I tried that in 3 Mercuries now and they don't accept this excuse of mine and the same goes for any generics as RiteMed, Andros and Tigerfil.

So any of you fine gents know how to get some support medication? I have dates coming in here and no power so I end up just fingering them and out they go. And please only accurate information on where and not "I heard from a friend that thinks a cousin of him got some doing this or that".

I know I ask for a lot but I will be more than greatful.

Thanks in advance.

I know ofcourse I can buy street medics but, even if the plasibo effect is strong, I want to stay away from swallowing paint or poison.Social engineering isn't working at Mercury, eh? Did you try The Generics Pharmacy? They are a rather unsophisticated operation. You mentioned Tigerfil, which is sold at Generics but I don't think it's sold at Mercur - I've only seen Andros and RiteMed there.

Assuming you're at the Glorietta place you stay at the Generics locations near you are, http://www.thegenericspharmacy.com/outlets.php?city_id=35. I used the one at the Cash & Carry several times and was never asked for a prescription.

If you are at the Hyatt you're kind of near the Metro Supermarket (it's a Gaisano) - it's in the Emperador building near NAIA terminal 3. On the ground floor beside the store entrance is its chemist; the entrance is at the side street down a bit from McDo. The drug you need is sildenafil citrate.

If none of this works or it looks to be a hassle then the only other thing you can do is get a prescription. A doctor's consultation is approx. p1000.

If you get some tablets don't throw away the packaging. I show the empty packaging for a variety of meds to the chemist and they refill. Of course if you obtain a doctor's scrip make to get that back from the chemist to save for future use.

[Member #4387]

Social engineering isn't working at Mercury, eh? Did you try The Generics Pharmacy? They are a rather unsophisticated operation. You mentioned Tigerfil, which is sold at Generics but I don't think it's sold at Mercur - I've only seen Andros and RiteMed there.

Assuming you're at the Glorietta place you stay at the Generics locations near you are, http://www.thegenericspharmacy.com/outlets.php?city_id=35. I used the one at the Cash & Carry several times and was never asked for a prescription.

If you are at the Hyatt you're kind of near the Metro Supermarket (it's a Gaisano) - it's in the Emperador building near NAIA terminal 3. On the ground floor beside the store entrance is its chemist; the entrance is at the side street down a bit from McDo. The drug you need is sildenafil citrate.

If none of this works or it looks to be a hassle then the only other thing you can do is get a prescription. A doctor's consultation is approx. p1000.

If you get some tablets don't throw away the packaging. I show the empty packaging for a variety of meds to the chemist and they refill. Of course if you obtain a doctor's scrip make to get that back from the chemist to save for future use.Wow Huts you are lile the orakle of Delphi. Thanks a bunch.

[Hutsori]

Wow Huts you are lile the orakle of Delphi. Thanks a bunch.You're welcome. Hope it works out. And if for some sad reason you're stuck to finger bangin' girls until tomorrow make sure to clip & file your fingernails.

[FreebieFan]

I have since my arrival here been without bags (they are stuck in Istanbul) and in my bags I did have many pk of Kamagra gel. I have been fucking now on good old steam but I have ran oit of powers. I used the search engine here for "viagra" and found a clever member suggesting going to Mercury and claim you lost your prescription. HM, well I tried that in 3 Mercuries now and they don't accept this excuse of mine and the same goes for any generics as RiteMed, Andros and Tigerfil.

So any of you fine gents know how to get some support medication? I have dates coming in here and no power so I end up just fingering them and out they go. And please only accurate information on where and not "I heard from a friend that thinks a cousin of him got some doing this or that".

I know I ask for a lot but I will be more than greatful.

Thanks in advance.

I know ofcourse I can buy street medics but, even if the plasibo effect is strong, I want to stay away from swallowing paint or poison.Could always try the stuff called Robust. Its sort of words if the mood is right. And you consume the appropriate amount and as always works better on an empty stomach. On sale in all Mercury stores.

[Sam 14]

Skogis. Just go get a prescription. Go into the emergency room late at night and get it so you don't have to wait. Tell the doctor your hormones are all messed up. You had an adrenal crash from stress at work, or some other BS. They don't understand much about that stuff anyway, so it will fly. Ask for just a small amount till you get your bags, so they don't flip out. Then make photocopies of the prescription before you fill it so you can reuse it at other pharmacies.

[Riverstar]

I can help feeling that there are a lot of guys visiting the Philippines who are missing out on a relativity untapped resource namely "Mature Women" with a little time spent on various dating sites you will find a lot of mature women who are gagging for sex but are afraid to go with local men for various reasons. OK they may not be cute and their bodies maybe showing signs (no more than mine) but what they may lack in beauty they make up in enthusiasm they are there not to fuck for money but for the pleasure.

Most ladies will say that they are looking for a serious relationship / husband but you will find some who when pressed admit that they would be happy to meet just to have sex. Last week I met one lady I had been chatting with on Skype who enjoyed showing me her pussy and telling me what she wanted me to do when we met, she had only had one man before her late husband but now wanted to try everything she had watched on various porn sites and I assure you than when we met she didn't disappoint.

So chaps give it a try in between popping a starfish.

[Wicked Roger]

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I have been fucking now on good old steam but I have ran oit of powers. I used the search engine here for "viagra" and found a clever member suggesting going to Mercury and claim you lost your prescription. HM, well I tried that in 3 Mercuries now and they don't accept this excuse of mine and the same goes for any generics as RiteMed, Andros and Tigerfil.


Thanks in advance..Skogis,

Generics / Generika in Burgos is OK to sell whatever you want as will the 24 HR pharma across the road from it. Robust is sold there also so you can replenish your steam engines LOL.

[Simmer]

So any of you fine gents know how to get some support medication? {...} And please only accurate information on where and not "I heard from a friend that thinks a cousin of him got some doing this or that".
My one and only attempt was at Watson's in the back of Mall of Asia (upper level, nearest the sea, not the one near the globe nor the one in SM Supermarket). I asked, the assistant and pharmacist just handed it over without blinking or asking any questions. I asked for the generic though. Can't remember the price but something like quarter the cost of Viagra.

Also a +1 for Robust (Xtreme), though the extreme one is not cheap. Saw in SM Supermarket in MoA near the front and somewhere else but can't remember where.

[Amanut]

I can help feeling that there are a lot of guys visiting the Philippines who are missing out on a relativity untapped resource namely "Mature Women" with a little time spent on various dating sites you will find a lot of mature women who are gagging for sex. I have to agree with you. Frankly I have little in common with young women, and mature Filipinas know what they like and what they would like to try. I haven't been back to the Philippines in a couple of years, but in my last trips I have focused almost exclusively on ladies in their early to late thirties, and even early forties and have yet to be disappointed. They have their fantasies and are realize their chances of living them out are slowly slipping away. My posting history is exclusively about mature Filipinas.

I have said previously that the tightest woman I was ever with was a forty plus year old single spinner who had never been married. The only way I could enter her was for her to get on top and slowly insert me at which point the sky was the limit including BBBJ and CIM for the first time. They will do everything in their power to satisfy the man they are with and themselves.

Keep our secret Riverstar.

[Member #4387]

After making it through yesterday on pure fumes with my willy beeing on and off due to heavy usage (not only fingering Huts, hehe), I went through my options laid out to me from you fine gents. I BS girls a lot so I thought I leave the doctors alone and away from me lying my ass off to obtain a V prescription. I went through the generika stores in my vicinity and found one next to Makati Cinema Square, jumped in a cab and 5 min later arrived there. The nice young man (must have been gay) behind the counter thought it was absolutely funny I bought this stuffs so I told him there are to many beautiful girls in Makati so I need this to cope the situation. Saw some sadness in his eyes when he understood I was not gay.

For 6 tabs of Ritemeds 50 MG I payed slightly less than 500 piso.

Once again thank you.

[Red Kilt]

For 6 tabs of Ritemeds 50 MG I payed slightly less than 500 piso.

Once again thank you.Good result for your persistance Skogs.

You should have bought the 100 MG.

Same price (in the place I use) and they have a nice little groove to break them in half if 50 MG is enough to do the trick.

More bangs for your bucks (smiley face).

[Member #4387]

Good result for your persistance Skogs.

You should have bought the 100 MG.

Same price (in the place I use) and they have a nice little groove to break them in half if 50 MG is enough to do the trick.

More bangs for your bucks (smiley face).Hehe, well, you know when fucking with low batts lately I was only happy to get some "vitamines". So when mr gay found the meds I did not think about the economics in it. But your point is taken even though I don't hope to loose my bags in near future (avoid IST as connectionpoint with only 3 flights a week to MNL and it seems impossible for them to send the bags with one of their daily flights to Singapore and onwards from there to ie SIN with their fellow Star Alliance partner Singapore Airlines bringing them to MNL. Pure shit company and I have allready cancelled my returnticket with them) and then I will have huge stock of Kamagra gel which I find to work the best for me. But as I write this I am about to pop one RiteMed for a soon arriving "date". Maybe I get a new favorite.

[Sam 14]

But as I write this I am about to pop one RiteMed for a soon arriving "date". Maybe I get a new favorite.Bite it and dissolve it under your tongue and see what happens Skogs.

[Member #4387]

Been banging 3 women after taking a 50 MG pill afternoon when 5 pm date told me she was outside. Moved on to 7 pm and later 9 pm girl. The new craft (to me) is working properly. I did have the hole noontime etc free from girls after overnight girl went back home 10 ish. Fuck did I have a boner. The two first girls started to complain after a good workout 50 min each or so with total banging. Both dripping of sweat and bedcovers etc need a change. For the 9 pm girl my dick was red as a fullblooded strawberry and entering her hurt like hell. After juiced up it felt nice again. Not able to finish after stroking her good. Will fullfinish in the morning as she has to get out around 10 for my 11 am setup. She is sleeping like a baby now with cute small snores:-)

So 50 MG of this shit seems like 100 MG Viagra ro me. Maybe it was the excitement of finding some supportvitamin doing the plasibo to me, who knows and who cares. Or maybe it is the body reacting to slightly new medications as in a turbo effect of it all. Takes me back to Salvadore, Brazil many many years ago where a friend gave me 100mg of Viagra and i popped the hole tablet. Back then, 15 years ago or so, i was slightly under norwegian international top level of crosscountryskiing. So in other words relatively good shape. The Salvadore girl i found from Club Europe i banged almost constantly, with a boner, incl multiple ejaculations, for around 24hrs. I send her to see a doc bcs her legs did not move properly when deed finished. Felt almost the same today/tonight except from the general shape. After 1 hr of constant banging i feel drenched these days. I guess drinking and snus isnt that healthy after all damn it:-)

Sam14: do I realy need to take it under my tounge. How much better can those things work realy? I remember my grandfather in his late years used to pop a nitroglyserine tab under his tounge when he felt his heart was stopping or he couldnt breathe. His heart did not work properly as he was shot by som nazi(he was in the resistant movement during WW2)and the bullet stroke parts of his heart(luckely it is not in family genetics as i am far from that brave, hehe).

And the best part is i did not look like a redish(like when i do Viagra), no headache and no heat feel. The only simularity of bad side effects(the good one is well described above)i could recognize was the trouble of cumming(juicing those pukies up)..
Reading the warnings following all meds, and its sideeffects, i have to say i paid attention to one chapter: if u loose your hearingability stop immidiately using these drugs and see a doc, haha. Well i can still hear the snores from 9pm girl so i am good..

[Red Kilt]

So 50 MG of this shit seems like 100 MG Viagra ro me. Maybe it was the excitement of finding some supportvitamin doing the plasibo to me, who knows and who cares. Or maybe it is the body reacting to slightly new medications as in a turbo effect of it all. Takes me back to Salvadore, Brazil many many years ago where a friend gave me 100mg of Viagra and i popped the hole tablet. Back then, 15 years ago or so, i was slightly under norwegian international top level of crosscountryskiing. So in other words relatively good shape. Skogs the Rite Med you are taking is actually the same formulation as the original brand name Pfizer Viagra (sildenafil) so I wonder why you think you are not getting the normal Sildenafil side-effects?

As I understand it, you are still relatively young and you shouldn't need to keep popping this stuff (including Kamagra etc) unless, as you explained, you were tired and had some marathon sessions coming up and you wanted to keep going for several different women.

Your body will become accustomed to requiring it if you take the ED drugs even when your body doesn't actually need it.

I know a young pinoy guy (now mid-20's) who was taking Viagra a few years ago (even though he didn't need it) so he could really wow his GF with his apparent stamina but now he finds that he cannot get a boner unless he takes it. It's in the brain as well as a physiological response.

[Member #4387]

Skogs the Rite Med you are taking is actually the same formulation as the original brand name Pfizer Viagra (sildenafil) so I wonder why you think you are not getting the normal Sildenafil side-effects?

As I understand it, you are still relatively young and you shouldn't need to keep popping this stuff (including Kamagra etc) unless, as you explained, you were tired and had some marathon sessions coming up and you wanted to keep going for several different women.

Your body will become accustomed to requiring it if you take the ED drugs even when your body doesn't actually need it.

I know a young pinoy guy (now mid-20's) who was taking Viagra a few years ago (even though he didn't need it) so he could really wow his GF with his apparent stamina but now he finds that he cannot get a boner unless he takes it. It's in the brain as well as a physiological response.Couldn't agree more. And I use only support meds when my dick thinks its enough fucking for a while. Then I can not delude him into another pukie. I have had a relatively busy sched so far so yesterday as decribed I needed one. I have used top brand Viagra a few times (the one describe was more a testrun and I did not quite know what I was putting in my body). I use it only now and then and while fucking the misses back home on a regular base I do not need any suuport. It is only to cope with the numbers of sessions here in phils / thai or wherever I do feel the need. In most cases it is actually enough just knowing I have them in my bag as a support as it calms my mind down. Strange but true. But I hear your warning and others should take that one in. I have heard of guys myself doing pills in to young age beeing unable to performe without drugs when they get older. Thanks.

[Engine Driver]

Couldn't agree more. And I use only support meds when my dick thinks its enough fucking for a while. Then I can not delude him into another pukie. I have had a relatively busy sched so far so yesterday as decribed I needed one. I have used top brand Viagra a few times (the one describe was more a testrun and I did not quite know what I was putting in my body). I use it only now and then and while fucking the misses back home on a regular base I do not need any suuport. It is only to cope with the numbers of sessions here in phils / thai or wherever I do feel the need. In most cases it is actually enough just knowing I have them in my bag as a support as it calms my mind down. Strange but true. But I hear your warning and others should take that one in. I have heard of guys myself doing pills in to young age beeing unable to performe without drugs when they get older. Thanks.You can build a psychological dependency to Viagra if you take it before it is actually needed. Your brain is tricked into thinking that you can't achieve an erection without medication. I just wish they would create something to increase libido without increasing aggression and muscle build. My endocrinologist told me that low libido as you get older is not necessarily related to falling testosterone levels.

I often wonder with your busy punting schedules (not just you Skogis, but the bulk of mongerers to PI and LOS), do you keep fucking for the sake of fucking, or do you like to session 2-3 times a day because your libido is still high and you are genuinely excited? I'm perfectly happy with one punt a day, but whatever floats your boat I guess.

[Simmer]

You can build a psychological dependency to Viagra if you take it before it is actually needed. Your brain is tricked into thinking that you can't achieve an erection without medication. I just wish they would create something to increase libido without increasing aggression and muscle build. My endocrinologist told me that low libido as you get older is not necessarily related to falling testosterone levels.

I often wonder with your busy punting schedules (not just you Skogis, but the bulk of mongerers to PI and LOS), do you keep fucking for the sake of fucking, or do you like to session 2-3 times a day because your libido is still high and you are genuinely excited? I'm perfectly happy with one punt a day, but whatever floats your boat I guess.Let's just say I have "issues" and a little help is required. I fully agree that probably 95% of it is in the brain. I discovered recently that high T does not necessarily equate to rock hard erections or high libido: your body can turn that high T into fucking female estrogens. How about that?! Messed up or what. But yeah, be careful with the V whether "actual" Viagra or the medically exact same generic. (FWIW yes I have a supply of what Skogis posted, albeit 100mg that I cut into thirds)

Actually I'm more intrigued at how Skogis explains to his missus that he's off to the Philippines! {grin}.

[Hutsori]

Sam14: do I realy need to take it under my tounge. How much better can those things work realy? It's very bitter. The taste may take you out of the mood.


And the best part is i did not look like a redish(like when i do Viagra), no headache and no heat feel. The only simularity of bad side effects(the good one is well described above)i could recognize was the trouble of cumming(juicing those pukies up)..
Reading the warnings following all meds, and its sideeffects, i have to say i paid attention to one chapter: if u loose your hearingability stop immidiately using these drugs and see a doc, haha. Well i can still hear the snores from 9pm girl so i am good..I've tested Andros, RiteMed and Tigerfil and the herbal Robust. With the Andros I had the blue haze in my vision but didn't experience it with the others. I found sometimes these would aggravate my stomach and cause some severe heartburn.

[Member #4387]

I often wonder with your busy punting schedules (not just you Skogis, but the bulk of mongerers to PI and LOS), do you keep fucking for the sake of fucking, or do you like to session 2-3 times a day because your libido is still high and you are genuinely excited? I'm perfectly happy with one punt a day, but whatever floats your boat I guess.To me is the crave for new pukie. I am not here for "making the love" nor am I here to have as many pussies under my belt as possible (how strange it might sound). It is pure lust in my case. I get tired from same pussy easily (have felt so for the last 20 years or so). I can just not help it. But I bare my vits with me and don't do just any pussy for the sake of pussy (even if it might seem so). I pick pussies, and nice ones, only very close to my location (normaly 30-40 driving distance max) so waitingprocess is hazzlefree and I can also do some unwinding in between. 3-4 punts a day is normal when I stay 4/5 days. If I stay up to 14 days I do less each day. Love new pussy. But I do have a few regulars in between and them I treat almost as normal dates bcs they deserve it (allways overnighters). I have also start to throw duos into our beloved game.
And ofcourse, without knowing what is a normal libido level, i love sex and i consider myself an sexaddict.

[Member #4387]

It's very bitter. The taste may take you out of the mood.

I've tested Andros, RiteMed and Tigerfil and the herbal Robust. With the Andros I had the blue haze in my vision but didn't experience it with the others. I found sometimes these would aggravate my stomach and cause some severe heartburn.RiteMed (RM) did to me nothing in the side effects department. But gave me a strong, almost everlasting, boner haha. Still living on the tablet from yesterday. 2 girls done today (3 if I incl the overnighter). Works fine. I will try pick up my luggage now with the arriving Turkish shit airline at T1, so I can reunite with my dear Kamagra gel. But I will probably buy some more pks of RM. Nr 3 girl on hold until airport biz finished.

[Member #4387]

Finaly got my bag from shitty Turkish Airlines. No one in charge even asked if I wanted some sort of compensation (that is not Turkish Airline personell I know but plain ground handling staff). I leave that issue until I get back home and get in a better fighting possition (my inhouse lawyer specialize in airline matters). Not bcs of money but bcs of the princip. Never in my life been treated this way by any airline, beeing eco or biz passenger whatsoever. The aftermath will come upon them. What i will get i will donate to UNICEF.

By the way here are so far what the girls have missed out. Well to some I have bought some compensating Swiss chcolate at Marks&Spensers but even so. It will be a lot of chocolate for the remaining girls my last few days.
It seems chocolate are on everyones lips here:-)

[Sam 14]

<Snip> I discovered recently that high T does not necessarily equate to rock hard erections or high libido: your body can turn that high T into fucking female estrogens.Thats right. It's called estradiol, or E2. As men age, some of our testosterone converts to estrogen. The scientific way to say it is the aromatase enzyme binds to testosterone and chemically converts it to estradiol. One reason is a diet too high in protein from allot of meat. If you're getting old, you should have it checked. The range should be 20-30 pg / ml. Because high E2 isn't just bad for libido, it thickens the carotid artery wall, so it increases your risk of stroke and heart attack.

You can try to fix it the right way with diet, or you can try to fix it with aromatase inhibitors (AI) like anastrozole (brand name Arimidex "adex". There are others that aren't as harsh. http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2008/11/Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male/Page-01.


<Snip> Sam14: do I realy need to take it under my tounge. How much better can those things work realy? No! The only thing that could work better in your case is a jack hammer.

[George03]

I have to agree with you. Frankly I have little in common with young women, and mature Filipinas know what they like and what they would like to try. I haven't been back to the Philippines in a couple of years, but in my last trips I have focused almost exclusively on ladies in their early to late thirties, and even early forties and have yet to be disappointed. They have their fantasies and are realize their chances of living them out are slowly slipping away. My posting history is exclusively about mature Filipinas.

I have said previously that the tightest woman I was ever with was a forty plus year old single spinner who had never been married. The only way I could enter her was for her to get on top and slowly insert me at which point the sky was the limit including BBBJ and CIM for the first time. They will do everything in their power to satisfy the man they are with and themselves.

Keep our secret Riverstar.I have tried to post for info on this subject before, actually last time had some good discussion about the topic. Usually when this comes up, posts are"why would you come here for "old" Filipinos (30+), "Filipinos don't age well", etc. I plan on the next trip trying a few 40+ women, but would be interested in hearing about actual experiences.

[Uncle Volodya]

It seems chocolate are on everyones lips here:-)Yes I noticed this too. Many of the girls I met online before my trip to PI last year asked me to bring them chocolates. I thought this was a bit strange. You can buy them there. I don't think they are that much more expensive (I never checked price). Maybe it's a cultural thing?(in the Balkans its customary to gift people coffee from abroad as they like to try different kinds). Or are they just too poor to afford chocolate? (the very thought makes me sad).

[Mr Hawaii]

I always bring at least 6 boxes from Hawaii, mostly choco covered macadamia nuts. The girls tell me that the chocolate from America tastes better than the chocolate they buy locally.

[Wicked Roger]

I always bring at least 6 boxes from Hawaii, mostly choco covered macadamia nuts. The girls tell me that the chocolate from America tastes better than the chocolate they buy locally.That's only because they have never tried decent Cadburys or Swiss / Belgian chocolate Mr H. Once they eat that they realize Hersheys is an excuse for the real thing LOL.

Seriously, the flavour mix is screwed up here. Look at from where the product is imported gives a clue as to why is can be so lacking in flavour.

[Member #4387]

That's only because they have never tried decent Cadburys or Swiss / Belgian chocolate Mr H. Once they eat that they realize Hersheys is an excuse for the real thing LOL.

Seriously, the flavour mix is screwed up here. Look at from where the product is imported gives a clue as to why is can be so lacking in flavour.Wicked; the norwegian one "Stratos" or "Melkesjokolade" is also well known in my line of girls. They seem to love it. Haha. I agree though that Belgian chocolate is smashing.

[Wicked Roger]

Wicked; the norwegian one "Stratos" or "Melkesjokolade" is also well known in my line of girls. They seem to love it. Haha. I agree though that Belgian chocolate is smashing.The best to resolve this Skogis is maybe I come to Manila, meet your girls and let them try my 'chocolate' versus Norwegian or they could try them the same time LOL Taste test?

Seriously I think pinay like any chocolate as it is something considered a 'treat'/ special and thus to be savored.

[Engine Driver]

On my visit to Manila last month I stayed at the Diamond Hotel because it is about 200 m away from LA Cafe. The contestants to Miss Philippines Earth were also staying at the Diamond at the same time and I was fortunate enough to share the lift with them on a number of occasions. Young, tall, leggy, beautiful, educated and well dressed, they were indeed a contrast to the bar girls I had just spent time with before in AC and Subic and soon to be from LA Cafe. Despite their luck in being born into wealthy families, their conversations with each other were childlike and superficial, just like any other Filipino. One of them wanted to go to the gym at 9. 00 pm and miss a function as she thought she was getting fat!! I thought to myself that dating one of them would be drama x 100.

When I got into my room, I googled this event and read the bios of the girls. Just about all of them were studying marketing or communications at university. Most of them said they wanted to be "international cabin crew" in the future. It's only in developing countries where the role of cabin crew is so coveted and considered glamourous. I look at their counterparts in Australia, well educated women from good families. None of them would ever aspire to a career as a trolley dolly. For them it be would be environmental activism, law, journalism or corporate marketing. The really brainy ones would say medicine.

On a similar note, I read a Time magazine article on a Thai Airways flight about 20 years ago. It said that many of the cabin crew on Thai Airways were the daughters of military generals or politicians. A quick glance at the Rolex Lady Datejust watches on their wrists confirmed this. No dark skinned Issan girls for Thai Airways!!

[Member #4387]

When I got into my room, I googled this event and read the bios of the girls. Just about all of them were studying marketing or communications at university. Most of them said they wanted to be "international cabin crew" in the future. It's only in developing countries where the role of cabin crew is so coveted and considered glamourous. I look at their counterparts in Australia, well educated women from good families. None of them would ever aspire to a career as a trolley dolly. For them it be would be environmental activism, law, journalism or corporate marketing. The really brainy ones would say medicine.

On a similar note, I read a Time magazine article on a Thai Airways flight about 20 years ago. It said that many of the cabin crew on Thai Airways were the daughters of military generals or politicians. A quick glance at the Rolex Lady Datejust watches on their wrists confirmed this. No dark skinned Issan girls for Thai Airways!!I can word this as I have 3 pinay cabin crews I fuck in an unknown rotation system (depends a tad where in the world they are and where I am). One Cathay Pacific, one Philippine Airlines and one Qatar. Used to have a Cebu Pacific one but she decided to be true to her BF. They are rather high educated and in any other normal country these girls would have maintained well paid high ranking jobs in big corporations/gwmnts. Working longhaul as servants seems a dream in phils that sadly only a few can obtain. I guess the many other good jobs are blocked by rather useless people belonging to the ones that realy rule this country (ie the ceo of Clark airport). The girls I know they don't complain as the Qatar girl can earn close up to 100 k php a month (per diem incl).
But to give the models a bit benefits of the doubt also many of them western sisters even with high edu also sometimes work as cabincrews. I know this atleast for Scandinavian Airlines and Norwegian. I know girls there even edu as lawyers working the cabin. It is still considered to be a glamor job. The pay have gone down and the workdays by far longer than it used to and the pay is less. I guess many dream about stop overs in fancy global cities but atleast for flights from Norway to the USA(east coast)it is only one day stay(only 7hrs flight time). To west coast it is 2 days stay. Qatar and Cathay seems to hav more generous resting times..

[Engine Driver]

I can word this as I have 3 pinay cabin crews I fuck in an unknown rotation system (depends a tad where in the world they are and where I am). One Cathay Pacific, one Philippine Airlines and one Qatar. You are indeed a lucky man. Would I be right if I said your real name is Morten Harket? Only a rock star could keep up with you. The question we want answered is how can you monger so much abroad and still have a missus back home?

[Member #4387]

You are indeed a lucky man. Would I be right if I said your real name is Morten Harket? Only a rock star could keep up with you. The question we want answered is how can you monger so much abroad and still have a missus back home?ED; this was almost a scary comment. First of all I was listening to Morten Harkets, "Kamilla og tyven", "Brother" and "spanish steps" when I saw your comment. Secondly I have dated Camilla Harket after she split from A-Ha's Morten Harket.

I lie my ass off to my GF saying I have to do biz here and there. As she is half pinay / half norwegian she would never allow me go phils so I never say I am here. I carry 2 passports, one for domestic use my GF can see with only innocent stamps and my monger one with loads of stamps from Phils and Thailand. I invest in property so that is my excuse now to travel. But when we met 7 years ago she was used to me travelling 270 days a year. Now I have lowered this down to 200-230 days as we have a babydaughter together and I want to do the dad stuffs as well.

So basically I just continued doing what she is used to and did not change to much. You would probably think she is stupid but I have allways kept my biz away from her so she doesn't actually see anything different from when we met. I let her in on some small investments i have here and there but they are all domestic ones as I realy don't invest in shady countries like phils ex maybe buying an apartment in the Park Terraces / Makati for my phil baby (so she has property when she grow up).

[Detwing1]

Thats right. It's called estradiol, or E2. As men age, some of our testosterone converts to estrogen. The scientific way to say it is the aromatase enzyme binds to testosterone and chemically converts it to estradiol. One reason is a diet too high in protein from allot of meat. If you're getting old, you should have it checked. The range should be 20-30 pg / ml. Because high E2 isn't just bad for libido, it thickens the carotid artery wall, so it increases your risk of stroke and heart attack.

You can try to fix it the right way with diet, or you can try to fix it with aromatase inhibitors (AI) like anastrozole (brand name Arimidex "adex". There are others that aren't as harsh. http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2008/11/Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male/Page-01.

No! The only thing that could work better in your case is a jack hammer.Kind of a long read, but interesting.

http://www.ion.ac.uk/information/onarchives/autumnbiosignature-modulation-weight-loss-through-hormone-balance

[Simmer]

Thats right. It's called estradiol, or E2. As men age, some of our testosterone converts to estrogen. The scientific way to say it is the aromatase enzyme binds to testosterone and chemically converts it to estradiol. One reason is a diet too high in protein from allot of meat. If you're getting old, you should have it checked. The range should be 20-30 pg / ml. Because high E2 isn't just bad for libido, it thickens the carotid artery wall, so it increases your risk of stroke and heart attack.

You can try to fix it the right way with diet, or you can try to fix it with aromatase inhibitors (AI) like anastrozole (brand name Arimidex "adex". There are others that aren't as harsh. http://www.lifeextension.com/Magazine/2008/11/Dangers-of-Excess-Estrogen-in-the-Aging-Male/Page-01.

No! The only thing that could work better in your case is a jack hammer.You're exactly right. You should become an endocrinologist, since mine knows absolutely fuck all about it. Went to him and asked for an E2 test as the injections weren't working, he laughed and said no way. Went and got tested using cash out of my pocket ($45) and what do you know? 52 Fifty fucking two. As you say, the normal range is significantly lower than that.

I can't even get another endo, at least not without paying cash, such is the crap health "insurance" I have.

[Cool Traveler]

Skog,

Wish I was there to give you some. I get lots of free Cialis samples from my Doc here in LOS Angeles.

Go to Burgos. I am not sure exactly which cross street, but it is very close to Makati Avenue. There is a generic pharmacy. It is either on General Luna or Gurerro Street. Half a block from Makati Avenue (eastwards, towards Salamanca). No need for prescription and they will sell you real Viagra. The blue pill. It is about 600 P per pill. Just don't be shy!

Good luck.

CT


I have since my arrival here been without bags (they are stuck in Istanbul) and in my bags I did have many pk of Kamagra gel. I have been fucking now on good old steam but I have ran oit of powers. I used the search engine here for "viagra" and found a clever member suggesting going to Mercury and claim you lost your prescription. HM, well I tried that in 3 Mercuries now and they don't accept this excuse of mine and the same goes for any generics as RiteMed, Andros and Tigerfil.

So any of you fine gents know how to get some support medication? I have dates coming in here and no power so I end up just fingering them and out they go. And please only accurate information on where and not "I heard from a friend that thinks a cousin of him got some doing this or that".

I know I ask for a lot but I will be more than greatful.

Thanks in advance.

I know ofcourse I can buy street medics but, even if the plasibo effect is strong, I want to stay away from swallowing paint or poison.

[Dg8787]

The best to resolve this Skogis is maybe I come to Manila, meet your girls and let them try my 'chocolate' versus Norwegian or they could try them the same time LOL Taste test?

Seriously I think pinay like any chocolate as it is something considered a 'treat'/ special and thus to be savored.You guys are fucking up the market for the rest of us by giving out great chocolates. Now the girls won't go with me because I only have Cheap Charlie Chocolate. The other night a FL asked me what kind of chocolates I had for her. This was even before we talked about price. When I said Hershey's from merica, she just walked away. You two week chocolate millionaires have ruined the market!

[FreebieFan]

. I guess many dream about stop overs in fancy global cities but atleast for flights from Norway to the USA(east coast)it is only one day stay(only 7hrs flight time). To west coast it is 2 days stay. Qatar and Cathay seems to hav more generous resting times..But its also changed a lot even with Cathay. They used to do an anchorage flight where it was a 6 days rest. 5 in new Zealand, 5 in sydney, 5 in Johannesburg, 4-5 in LA, and 4-5 in London. Now with many home based crews (ie crews who live in Sydney or london or auckland etc, they accommodate them in HK in a large hotel that is just for Cathay staff, and give them generally no more than a one day turnaround. Good old days long gone.

[Amanut]

I have tried to post for info on this subject before, actually last time had some good discussion about the topic. Usually when this comes up, posts are"why would you come here for "old" Filipinos (30+), "Filipinos don't age well", etc. I plan on the next trip trying a few 40+ women, but would be interested in hearing about actual experiences.

George, rather than bore people repeating my limited contributions, take a look at my posting history. I think most of my posts have been on MILFs. Be careful, some can be more skillfully experienced manipulators who have mastered the art of deception superior to their younger counterparts. The upside is that the ladies that I have met understand the meetings, and as a result I have maintained occasional contact with them and will meet some of them again when I go back. Normally a young Filipina will get bored and move on if you are not arriving within a few weeks. My experience is that a bit more time to build a bit of a friendship with a MILF pays rewards. PM me if you wish.

[NWGuy]

Hello everyone,

I am a new member and will be making my first ever Philippines trip this Sept and am just now in the beginning planning stages.

I have already bought airline tickets and am staying at the New World Manila Bay for 9 nights total. I am mid 40's and in decent shape physically.

My (so far) plan is to walk to La Cafe and Amazonia and come back to my room with the girl. As well I will walk to Robinsons Place mall and see what that may bring me.

Some other times I will take a taxi to Makati or maybe some different researched areas.

Angeles is not in my plans as I will need to make myself appear at least a few times at a conference happening in the city so I want to stay in Manila.

My questions so far:

Are there enough places to eat (walking distance) around the New World Manila Bay and Ermita? Say twenty minutes walk or less from the hotel.

I don't want to be in traffic too much going from here to there.

Are there many ATMS around the area? I think the mall should have one at least. I want an ATM which is indoors in a safe and well lit area.

What is the situation with the massage places around the area? Yes, I know I can simply just get a massage from a woman in my room but sometimes I do like to check those massage places out. But I don't want to waste my time on one unless I know for certain the ending is what I am looking for.

Can a non guest / woman just hang out with me at the pool on the lounge chairs for a while, say an hour or two, as long as I am paying for food and drinks at the bar?

Also are there any laundry places nearby that would wash and dry and deliver my laundry back to me so I do not have to use the hotel laundry?

[Robbaf]

Are there many ATMS around the area? I think the mall should have one at least. I want an ATM which is indoors in a safe and well lit area.

What is the situation with the massage places around the area? Yes, I know I can simply just get a massage from a woman in my room but sometimes I do like to check those massage places out. But I don't want to waste my time on one unless I know for certain the ending is what I am looking for.

Can a non guest / woman just hang out with me at the pool on the lounge chairs for a while, say an hour or two, as long as I am paying for food and drinks at the bar?

Also are there any laundry places nearby that would wash and dry and deliver my laundry back to me so I do not have to use the hotel laundry?I had to Google your hotel and it seems to me that the Hyatt has been sold. If the hotel is the old Hyatt, there is a casino in the hotel and a few ATM's inside. Your plan for LA Cafe is good, as is Robinson's.

Don't forget about EDSA Complex, as it is closer then Makati.

Happy Trip!

Robb.

[Member #4387]

Are there enough places to eat (walking distance) around the New World Manila Bay and Ermita? Say twenty minutes walk or less from the hotel.

Are there many ATMS around the area? I think the mall should have one at least. I want an ATM which is indoors in a safe and well lit area.

Can a non guest / woman just hang out with me at the pool on the lounge chairs for a while, say an hour or two, as long as I am paying for food and drinks at the bar?You have time to RTFF the forum and its Manila section so I answer only your questions which may be hard to find on this forum.

New Manila Bay Hotel has a great restaurant "Fireplace". You have a MC Donalds close by and Robinson mall (5 min walks have decent rstaurants). If you have Residence club (excecutive club) access they also serve nice meals and drinks from 6 pm to 8 pm. You can bring in one guest here. If more you have to pay for it. I never did though as I only unwind here alone and free from girls in my vicinity. No problem bring them by the pool either which I also never did. The hotel have other bars and restos as well and as long as bills are beeing paid I would dare to say you can bring as many as you like.

In the hotellobby and its entrance to the Casino you have 3 ATMs which all worked relatively great on my stays.

[George03]

George, rather than bore people repeating my limited contributions, take a look at my posting history. I think most of my posts have been on MILFs. Be careful, some can be more skillfully experienced manipulators who have mastered the art of deception superior to their younger counterparts. The upside is that the ladies that I have met understand the meetings, and as a result I have maintained occasional contact with them and will meet some of them again when I go back. Normally a young Filipina will get bored and move on if you are not arriving within a few weeks. My experience is that a bit more time to build a bit of a friendship with a MILF pays rewards. PM me if you wish.Thanks, I read your posts. I made two trips to Phil. Probably because of ready the forums, I did a mix of Manila Cafe, FC girls, etc. Also did the same in Cebu and Davao.

Turned out good for me both trips. My long terms were with 30+, but I have no problem with attractive mid 40's or older. The key word is, attractive. (I am in my 50's). I plan on a longer trip next time, so will do some of my own research!

[FreebieFan]

I had to Google your hotel and it seems to me that the Hyatt has been sold. If the hotel is the old Hyatt, there is a casino in the hotel and a few ATM's inside. Your plan for LA Cafe is good, as is Robinson's.



Robb."Old " is a misnomer here as there was an old old Hyatt on corner or Edsa and Roxas that lost its Hyatt flag, once Hyatt signed up for the new Hyatt near Robinsons.

New World company is the owner of what was the Hyatt in Ermita (the old Hyatt) and saw the chance to add another New World hotel once Hyatt signed up as operator of the City of Dreams hotel.

Hotel operators sometimes have geographical restrictions placed on them so that there can't be several similar brands in same towns. Shangri La is different as they generally own some or all of their own hotels so they don't impose the same restrictions on themselves.

[Engine Driver]

Hello everyone,

My (so far) plan is to walk to La Cafe and Amazonia and come back to my room with the girl. As well I will walk to Robinsons Place mall and see what that may bring me.

Angeles is not in my plans as I will need to make myself appear at least a few times at a conference happening in the city so I want to stay in Manila.

Are there enough places to eat (walking distance) around the New World Manila Bay and Ermita? Say twenty minutes walk or less from the hotel.

What is the situation with the massage places around the area? Yes, I know I can simply just get a massage from a woman in my room but sometimes I do like to check those massage places out. But I don't want to waste my time on one unless I know for certain the ending is what I am looking for.

Can a non guest / woman just hang out with me at the pool on the lounge chairs for a while, say an hour or two, as long as I am paying for food and drinks at the bar?

Also are there any laundry places nearby that would wash and dry and deliver my laundry back to me so I do not have to use the hotel laundry?1. You are in a perfect location for cheap mongering. All hotels in the area are girl friendly. Your rate for ST from LA Cafe should be around PHP 2000 - 2500, plus a drink for the lady while you conduct the interview. Many girls at LA Cafe work in pairs, so if a threesome is what you want, then a threesome you will find. Rate will be around 4000 - 5000 for the pair. From Robinson Mall, the rate should be around PHP 1000. Always pay afterwards.

2. If you can possibly escape your conference for an overnight trip to AC, then you should do it. You won't regret it. Just a warning that if you go to AC, your life may never be the same again. A taxi from Ermita to AC will cost about 2500 - 2800 PHP and will take 2-3 hours depending on the time of day. A Canadian gentlemen has written a rather poignant article on how AC truly and utterly fucked up his life as he became addicted to the beautiful women there. The article is on Stickman's BKK site.

3. Ermita has hundreds of smaller restaurants, including an excellent kebab / shwarma joint about 50 m from LA Cafe. Robinson Mall has every type of food imaginable in the food court. If you go to Robinson before the 10.00 am opening, you can hang out at Starbucks at the entrance and enjoy the free wifi with your grande soy latte. You can even have breakfast, lunch and dinner at LA Cafe. The place is open 24-hours a day.

4. I've only been to the legitimate massage places in Ermita and Malate and you can tell upon entry as they usually have flimsy curtains as dividers. I'm sure there are others that provide extras. Malate, which is a 15 minute walk away has a number of Korean massage places which probably have the Korean style scrub, followed by FS. I'm not sure if a non-Korean would be welcome there.

5. Yes, no problem with hanging out with your girl at the pool as long as she is with you. No one will bat an eye lid. I've taken the sluttiest looking wh0 res through the main entrance at the Diamond Hotel many times. (Complete with partial bleached hair, ripped shorts, singlet, hideous make up, bling and fake LV handbag). Just act like you own the goddam joint. They will all address your lady friend as "Ma'am".

6. Yes, plenty of laundry places in the back streets of Ermita. Just go for a walk.

Just a few more tips. If you are going out at night in Ermita or Malate for a pickup, leave your Rolex, iPhone, passport and wallet in the hotel room safe. I usually just keep about PHP 8,000 in my front pocket of my jeans. I'm not saying it's dangerous, but why take a risk? The area is well lit and always crowded, so you should be fine.

[Hutsori]

I have tried to post for info on this subject before, actually last time had some good discussion about the topic. Usually when this comes up, posts are"why would you come here for "old" Filipinos (30+), "Filipinos don't age well", etc. I plan on the next trip trying a few 40+ women, but would be interested in hearing about actual experiences.I posted about MILFs many moons ago before iron buffalo roamed the plains.

I've met several middle-aged women on the dating sites and have had mixed results.

The two best were single mothers (one never married and the other separated) of late-teenaged and adult children. Both are gainfully employed. Yes, they were looking for relationships. But both were open to a fubu arrangement; one had gone without sex for 17 years to raise her daughter, and once she entered uni mom decided that she would no longer sit on the sidelines. Though middle-aged both were fit (no stretch marks and minor boob deflation) and were happy doing anything and everything in the bed. It was a pleasure to be with them because they have careers, both speak English very well and one lived in England for several years. A so-so one was a then 51-year-old separated mom of two. Not chubby but certainly not tight. Doughy. Mediocre English. Met a few times and it was enough for me. Lastly there was one disappointment; 41-year-old separated mother of three who is a knock out. Great body on her. In her younger days she was a legit beauty queen. She lived her entire life with everyone kissing her bottom so she behaved like a spoilt child. I remember one night she had a first date with some bloke, it didn't go well, and she spent the following hours sending me texts demanding I come meet her. She's a wealthy woman who's surrounded be a coterie of gays who exist to fawn over her. She was looking for a boyfriend and eager to meet. I declined repeatedly until she adjusted her wants and accepted a fubu arrangement. I doubted her sincerity but we met several times. Of course it ended badly as she genuinely wanted a boyfriend and couldn't accept my boundaries - she even called herself "clingy and paranoid".

[Random99]

I used to stay at the hotel when it was the Hyatt. It's a bit grimy of an area, so don't get surprised. Although I felt pretty safe in that area, some people might get spooked.



Are there enough places to eat (walking distance) around the New World Manila Bay and Ermita? Say twenty minutes walk or less from the hotel.Yes, tons of places within a 5 minute walk. A large concentration of Japanese / Korean restaurants, but Robinson's mall will give you other alternatives as well.



Are there many ATMS around the area? I think the mall should have one at least. I want an ATM which is indoors in a safe and well lit area.Use the BPI ATM in the attached casino -- it's on the very ground floor by a few massage chairs by the entrance leading outside (same building as the hotel). It has the highest withdraw limit of 20,000 PHP, so it will save you on ATM fees. Other ATMs will max out at 10,000 PHP. Also, BPI has a branch next to Robinson's Mall. (note: the casino ATM has run out of money several times when I've used it and it takes many days for it to be working again.).



What is the situation with the massage places around the area? Yes, I know I can simply just get a massage from a woman in my room but sometimes I do like to check those massage places out. But I don't want to waste my time on one unless I know for certain the ending is what I am looking for.Good luck with that. The hotel massage is 2,000 PHP and extras may be declined. There is one HJ place a few blocks away, but that was pricey too at 1,300 PHP not including tip. My guess is you are better to negotiate with a freelancer at LA Cafe or the other 2 bars in the neighborhood and get them to massage you + extras. Personally, I would separate the 2 activities. Get a legit massage for 300-400 pesos and then "hire" someone for extras. Also, you can call any of the random massage places online and get someone delivered. I did that once and was thumbs down. Also, I had to give my full name which annoyed me, so the massage girl could say it at the front desk.



Also are there any laundry places nearby that would wash and dry and deliver my laundry back to me so I do not have to use the hotel laundry?Yes, right across the street on Mabini next to the 7-11. It's literally like a 1 min walk. It doubles as a fx exchange place. (opposite side of Manila Bay) Don't use that one to change money, go to Robinson's mall on the 3rd floor seems to have the best rates (at least the few that I checked). If you can find a Czarina as well, they seem to have very good rates (actually, at times better than the spot rate which is weird).

Yes, plan on some traffic if you are going outside the area. Although, it's probably only a 10-15 minute taxi ride to the EDSA complex at 9-10 pm at night. Even P Burgos in Makati will should only take about 20-30 minutes during the same hours.

[NWGuy]

Thanks so much everybody for the replies and help. It is really appreciated everyone.

A couple more things: For my cash do you feel the room safe is OK to use or should I only use the safe deposit desk at the front desk?

And for the average looking (lets say she is at best a "6") to barely above average (lets says she is a "7" and that is pushing it) and her age is definitely over 30 women at LA Cafe or Amazonia what would be a fair rate (including a tip) for her for say a whole afternoon and into the evening? Like, we go to dinner somewhere decent sit down style (Not a fast food place) and eat and hang out and talk, then we have some drinks afterwards, and then walk back to the room to play. But she does not spend the night after we play she leaves.

I already paid for both of our meals and drinks, so what would be a good rate and tip for that situation? It would be about nine hours lets say? from like 2 in the afternoon till 11 pm or so.

And also the exact same question if she was like say 23 years old (max) and gorgeous and she knew it too.

[NWGuy]

I have to agree with you. Frankly I have little in common with young women, and mature Filipinas know what they like and what they would like to try. I haven't been back to the Philippines in a couple of years, but in my last trips I have focused almost exclusively on ladies in their early to late thirties, and even early forties and have yet to be disappointed. They have their fantasies and are realize their chances of living them out are slowly slipping away. My posting history is exclusively about mature Filipinas.

I have said previously that the tightest woman I was ever with was a forty plus year old single spinner who had never been married. The only way I could enter her was for her to get on top and slowly insert me at which point the sky was the limit including BBBJ and CIM for the first time. They will do everything in their power to satisfy the man they are with and themselves.

Keep our secret Riverstar.I think I am going to be joining you two in this over 30's women club. Count me in. Also if you would like to suggest any free date sites or other sites to me I am all ears.

[IllusionHeart]

Thanks so much everybody for the replies and help. It is really appreciated everyone.

A couple more things: For my cash do you feel the room safe is OK to use or should I only use the safe deposit desk at the front desk?

I already paid for both of our meals and drinks, so what would be a good rate and tip for that situation? It would be about nine hours lets say? from like 2 in the afternoon till 11 pm or so.
.It is extremely safe to keep your dough and valuables in the safe in the room. It's convenient also as you have access to your stuff when you want.

LT rates are approx 3000 pesos. As I had picked up a woman around 11 pm and she left the next day 11 am. 2 pops. Decent tip is 200 to 300 pesos but you can hand over more if you are extremely happy with the service.

[Engine Driver]

Thanks so much everybody for the replies and help. It is really appreciated everyone.

A couple more things: For my cash do you feel the room safe is OK to use or should I only use the safe deposit desk at the front desk?

I already paid for both of our meals and drinks, so what would be a good rate and tip for that situation? It would be about nine hours lets say? from like 2 in the afternoon till 11 pm or so. And also the exact same question if she was like say 23 years old (max) and gorgeous and she knew it too.You are staying at a quality hotel, so room safe should be fine. It's a pain to have to go to the front desk each time.

There is no "set rate" for the scenarios you have described. It's what you can negotiate and what she will accept. Many of the girls that come to LA Cafe are semi-pros. That is, they might only come in a couple of times a week to earn enough to pay their rent, utility bills, kid's medicine, phone load etc. While your offer of a free restaurant meal, swim at the pool etc might be appreciated and she might actually like your company, at the end of the day it is all about how many blue notes she is going to take home that night. Given that ST (1-2 hours) with one pop is around 2000 - 2500 PHP, nine hours with two pops might be 3000 - 4000 PHP + 500 tip. What you pay for food and drinks is not of concern to the girl and isn't included in her own calculations. If you are keeping her for nine hours, then she really can't get back to LA Cafe for customer no. 2 so you need to make it worth her while. So we are talking about USD 100 for all day with a girl and two shots on goal. Not a bad deal if she agrees. Some of the more experienced Manila long-timers might think these rates are too high, but you don't want to come across as being too cheap.

[Hutzesq]

Hi,

Total noob here. Just found out that I can fit 8-9 nights in the Philippines in after a business trip to China. However I leave for China in 2 days and will get to Manila June 27. I know there is plenty of Philippines info here and the standard answer is RTFF. I have been a casual reader for a while, but reading to enjoy the trip reports is different than reading with the focus of immediate trip planning. I have tried to do what I can, but given the sudden timing of my trip, I would greatly appreciate the advice from PI vets. As this is at the end of a business trip, I have minimal travel costs and I really am not at all concerned about being on a budget. I am a short, fit, 40 year old American, looking for good GFE experiences with cute, slim girls in the 20-30 year old range. Don't have to be total stunners, but want to avoid the Jolibee bellies I have heard about.

My questions:

1. I can get to Manila airport at 1:45 am on June 27 - at that hour how long will it take to get to a hotel, it is too late to bother looking for a girl? Can I get a general taxi quickly at that hour or should I arrange for pickup through my hotel?

2. I plan on being in Manila for 2-3 days and then the rest in Angeles 5-6 days. I can fly out of Clark so it makes sense to end in Angeles. Is this a good time mix? Should I also try to check out Subic for a night or two?

3. For Manila I see plenty of debate between staying by La Café area in Malate or in Makati near Burgos St or Havana Café. As I am focused on quality and less concerned about price (for both girls and hotels), should I go with Makati? I read Sir Lancelot's excellent trip reports on Manila but its clear he had to do a fair amount of digging, and spend a fair amount of time at La Café, to find the gems he did. I am not quite so into the "hunt" to find a diamond in the rough. Is the crowd at Havana café significantly better than La Café?

4. I understand this is "low" season, any insight on weather? I read an El Nino may suppress rains until later in July. Am I going to just hit occasional showers or serious monsoons?

5. If this really is "low" season, can I be last minute on my hotel bookings so I can stay flexible or should I worry about sold out hotels and make commitments now?

6. ABC and the Lewis Grand seem like the high end properties in Angeles. Just wondering if the people staying at these places are from Asia or if there are more English speakers around? I assume almost all the guests are there for the hobby, is that correct? In my limited travels, I have always enjoyed chatting with guys in the hobby (this isn't really a hobby I can usually discuss with others), so I want to make sure I don't wind up in a place only non-English speakers go. For the hotels in Makati and Malete I assume these are more for general travelers, not punters, is that true? I see there is a Peninsula Hotel and Shangri-La in Makati, these seems to be walking distance to Havana Café, are they also walkable to the P Burgos area. Am I better off at the New World Makati?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

[Random99]

For my cash do you feel the room safe is OK to use or should I only use the safe deposit desk at the front desk?It's more convenient to use the room safe. I've used the hotel safe (which is a typical dual key system, a bit old but still functional) on 2 occasions: (1) Was going to a province location and returning and didn't want to carry that much cash with me. They let me use the safe for my between stays with the Hotel (2) Had brought over $10,000 USD to go gambling.

My question would be. Are you a heavy drinker? And have the possibility of doing stupid things while drunk and / or blackout? If so, leave a few things at the hotel safe in case this happens ie Passport, extra credit cards and ATM cards. The hotel you are staying is semi-relaxed on their check-in policy for overnight stays. Some hotels are very vigilant in signing in guests, New World MB rarely does that. The positive is it's sometimes annoying if you are going back to the room with more than 1 girl, but on the negative. It's a little less safe for you as an individual.



And for the average looking (lets say she is at best a "6") to barely above average (lets says she is a "7" and that is pushing it) and her age is definitely over 30 women at LA Cafe or Amazonia what would be a fair rate (including a tip) for her for say a whole afternoon and into the evening? Like, we go to dinner somewhere decent sit down style (Not a fast food place) and eat and hang out and talk, then we have some drinks afterwards, and then walk back to the room to play. But she does not spend the night after we play she leaves. I already paid for both of our meals and drinks, so what would be a good rate and tip for that situation? It would be about nine hours lets say? from like 2 in the afternoon till 11 pm or so.It's going to be very rare that you find someone in LA Cafe that you can converse a "normal" conversation. The girls are there to make money and they aren't going to give better or worse service with a sit down meal. But if you search long enough, maybe you will. In my past experiences, I have taken them back to the hotel and started round 1. Then afterwards, you can order room service which is a little pricey. But the it's a pretty big menu. Then you can take a nap and / or start round 2. Get used to the words, "up to you". Ie do you want to go to xx restaurant? Answer, "up to you". Do you want room service? Answer"up to you". Some girls may be a little more aggressive and say they are hungry, but none will demand a sit down restaurant.

(Everyone's rating system is different. Most of the 6-7's that I have been with from LA Cafe are in the mid-20's, cute with decent bodies. A good portion of them were single moms with "supposed" time constraints with a specific exit time. You will need to casually make sure of your time arrangement expectations.).



And also the exact same question if she was like say 23 years old (max) and gorgeous and she knew it too.Good luck with that. There are cute girls there, but not sure if I've ever seen a head turner.

FYI, your time is off as well. Your selection is going to be severely limited if you go at 2 PM. I'd say, anywhere from 8-11 PM is when it starts getting busy ie more girls in the bar.

[Engine Driver]

Random, You make some very good points there. For the newbie:

If you have negotiated a LT deal, it's important to take her to the room straight away and get on with Round 1 immediately. Don't buy her food, drink or take her to the pool until you have shot one load. Many of us have learnt the hard way. If the situation doesn't go according to plan, then at least you have fucked her once. Also, don't pay the money upfront. If she insists and won't open her legs in the room until she gets paid, then hold onto half until the end.

If you have paid the money upfront, she has all the power and she will give you every excuse as to why the date should end early. My baby is sick, kids school enrolment is today, interview for a house maid job blah blah blah. Many of the girls at LA Cafe are not sweet innocent things straight out of the provinces. They are semi-hardened girls who know how to survive in Manila and can read you very well.

Best to save your notion of romance and fine dining to prospects you meet on DIA. As Random has said, your girl will leave all the decision making up to you and would be perfectly happy with a takeout from Jollie Bee.

The deal from LA Cafe is purely a business transaction.

[Member #4698]

If you can afford to stay at the New World MB (the old Hyatt), then don't waste too much time at LA Cafe. Most of the LA girls are sub par - 5 stars or less although you may find a rare diamond if you are lucky. Go instead to the EDSA Entertainment Complex. COTTON CLUB, FIREHOUSE, and PITSTOP are the bars you want to check out. The quality is much higher than LA Cafe. EDSA is only a 5 to 10 minute taxi ride away. Go early around 8 pm. If you don't find what you are looking for, then go to LA Cafe afterwards.

[Mbsl65]

Yes, I agree with you regarding the quality of the ladies in LA Cafe. It is very much waste of time. It used to be very good. I remember picking up some FL who were waiting for her visa to USA and her friend. They were 9/10. Last time I was there, place was sorry.


If you can afford to stay at the New World MB (the old Hyatt), then don't waste too much time at LA Cafe. Most of the LA girls are sub par - 5 stars or less although you may find a rare diamond if you are lucky. Go instead to the EDSA Entertainment Complex. COTTON CLUB, FIREHOUSE, and PITSTOP are the bars you want to check out. The quality is much higher than LA Cafe. EDSA is only a 5 to 10 minute taxi ride away. Go early around 8 pm. If you don't find what you are looking for, then go to LA Cafe afterwards.

[X Man]

I think someone has already given you a good estimate for the manila area. I just want to share an interesting note from someone who was on ISG many years ago. He was what some might call a heavy tipper. His rationale was that he was quite old, overweight, and not much too look at. So he tipped well. I was impressed that he factored that in. X.


Thanks so much everybody for the replies and help. It is really appreciated everyone.

A couple more things: For my cash do you feel the room safe is OK to use or should I only use the safe deposit desk at the front desk?

And for the average looking (lets say she is at best a "6") to barely above average (lets says she is a "7" and that is pushing it) and her age is definitely over 30 women at LA Cafe or Amazonia what would be a fair rate (including a tip) for her for say a whole afternoon and into the evening? Like, we go to dinner somewhere decent sit down style (Not a fast food place) and eat and hang out and talk, then we have some drinks afterwards, and then walk back to the room to play. But she does not spend the night after we play she leaves.

I already paid for both of our meals and drinks, so what would be a good rate and tip for that situation? It would be about nine hours lets say? from like 2 in the afternoon till 11 pm or so.

And also the exact same question if she was like say 23 years old (max) and gorgeous and she knew it too.

[X Man]

The last time I saw a "head turner" in LA Cafe was quite a few years ago. She had above average intelligence, thick Visayan lips, some nice curves, big breasts, outstanding GFE, and was a helluva dancer. I know all this because she had spent a few days with me on an earlier trip. I first met her at PitStop, EDSA Complex. Unfortunately, she was in LA Cafe that night with a "date". She did find time to sneak away and say hello, bless her heart. Every other gal in the place looked plain after seeing her, so I left soon after that.

I'm not sure why a guy would pull a stunner out of EDSA and then take her to LA Cafe. I guess he had his reasons. Maybe for the 2nd floor band and dancing.

The next time I visited the Philippines she came in from the province to meet me in Cebu City. She was out of the bar. Wonder why? We had a nice evening of drinking and dancing at the old Sunflower Club that was located near the Waterfront Hotel. Did I mention that she was a good dancer? Did I mention she was a head turner? I was so happy to be with her again. LOL.

I noticed she wasn't nearly as sweet as the first time I was with her. I assumed it was too much time in the bar.

She spent the night but turned me down in the morning when I invited her to Bohol. She said her mother would be angry if she stayed away too long. After all, "I have a fiancé "!

Huh? Ah, one of those surreal moments. . . Early morning, in a hotel bed, holding a beautiful woman, sweat and other bodily fluids abundant. . . And she tells me she's engaged and probably shouldn't go to the beach with me, thanks anyway.

I rode the taxi with her to the North bus terminal. I asked her if she had met her man at Pitstop. "No, he doesn't know I worked in a bar."

Sorry for the long post. X.



SNIP
Good luck with that. There are cute girls there, but not sure if I've ever seen a head turner.

SNIP .

[IllusionHeart]

I'm not sure why a guy would pull a stunner out of EDSA and then take her to LA Cafe. I guess he had his reasons.X, I also bfined a girl from EDSA and took her to LA cafe reason being my buddy didn't find anyone in EDSA and wanted to go to LA Cafe instead of other places. It is quite possibly for it to happen and I am sure this gentleman would have his own reason like mine for doing the same.

[Simmer]

1. I can get to Manila airport at 1:45 am on June 27 - at that hour how long will it take to get to a hotel, it is too late to bother looking for a girl? Can I get a general taxi quickly at that hour or should I arrange for pickup through my hotel?Previously it's taken me 2 hours from plane to outside the terminal at Manila, and on another day it's taken me about 20 minutes. It all depends. Airport to LA Cafe probably not much more than 30 minutes at that time of night.

As for girls, maybe there would be some returning for a second round, or there might be less pretty ones left over.


2. I plan on being in Manila for 2-3 days and then the rest in Angeles 5-6 days. I can fly out of Clark so it makes sense to end in Angeles. Is this a good time mix? Should I also try to check out Subic for a night or two?Sounds like a good plan! Subic more depends on your interests (diving, of the sea variety).

[NWGuy]

Thanks so much for all the help guys, it has been extremely helpful. I have learned much as I read the replies and as well have read the forums a bunch.

New question: How would I go about finding a woman while there for role play scenarios? For example she is the sexy female manager or secretary, she would have to be dressed like that when she showed up to meet me, or maybe the doctor or nurse, policewoman, or something like that. I would not expect the women there to have many costumes or maybe the right wardrobe for those things. Is that correct? Would this be an ad I placed on Backpage or Craigslist, or another site beforehand explicitly stating what I was looking for and the requirements, the time to meet me and where, the pay would be clearly detailed etc. Or no this is not a good idea? Thank you for your thoughts.

[NWGuy]

So I have read that some of you just contact the same woman from earlier in the week and meet her again later in the week. I am thinking that seems like something I would do (assuming the first visit went well). What are the reasons not to do this? Or the criticism of this practice? So if everything went well is there a reason that I shouldn't ask her if she would like to meet me again at location X at X o clock? Or even for a third time even? Seems like it would be easy on the planning and I wouldn't have to spend so much time on the hunt and doing interviews at possibly loud bars if I already had an appointment with someone who I met earlier. As long as we both understood clearly it was just business and we are not becoming any kind of relationship and she got paid for her time is there any problem with this? Thanks in advance for all replies guys.

[Random99]

1. I can get to Manila airport at 1:45 am on June 27 - at that hour how long will it take to get to a hotel, it is too late to bother looking for a girl? Can I get a general taxi quickly at that hour or should I arrange for pickup through my hotel?Hmm, I've arrived the latest at 11 pm and it's been pretty crowded. I'm assuming you'll fly into T3. You'll take a long walk to customs and then to baggage. That will add at least 15-30 minutes. You'll probably get to your hotel around 2:45 am. LA Cafe is 24 hours, but the pickings get slim at the early morning hours.

(I think you'll be ok with the metered taxi, but *shrug* - it's the Philippines, you never know.).



2. I plan on being in Manila for 2-3 days and then the rest in Angeles 5-6 days. I can fly out of Clark so it makes sense to end in Angeles. Is this a good time mix? Should I also try to check out Subic for a night or two?Personally, I would pick 1 spot, but I'm probably in the minority opinion. Seems like you'll be very rushed if you split the trip in mini-trips, but some people adjust faster than others.



3. For Manila I see plenty of debate between staying by La Caf area in Malate or in Makati near Burgos St or Havana Caf. As I am focused on quality and less concerned about price (for both girls and hotels), should I go with Makati? I read Sir Lancelot's excellent trip reports on Manila but its clear he had to do a fair amount of digging, and spend a fair amount of time at La Caf, to find the gems he did. I am not quite so into the "hunt" to find a diamond in the rough. Is the crowd at Havana caf significantly better than La Caf?Makati will give you a little more sense of normalcy as it's in a nicer neighborhood.

I think LA Cafe is a little more straight-forward and easier to scope out the women. The setup at Havana Cafe is not conducive to table hop and girls don't move around the area as much. It's dark and I think Havana is a little more awkward. They dress a little better at Havana, but not sure the quality is better. (note: I've never taken a girl back to my hotel from Havana.).

Hmm, I think Havana is closed 1 day during the week, not sure if it's Sun or Mon.



4. I understand this is "low" season, any insight on weather? I read an El Nino may suppress rains until later in July. Am I going to just hit occasional showers or serious monsoons?LOL, are you going to cancel your trip if it's too rainy?



5. If this really is "low" season, can I be last minute on my hotel bookings so I can stay flexible or should I worry about sold out hotels and make commitments now?Jump on Agoda or another site and just browse through and see if they have vacancies.



6. ABC and the Lewis Grand seem like the high end properties in Angeles. Just wondering if the people staying at these places are from Asia or if there are more English speakers around? I assume almost all the guests are there for the hobby, is that correct? In my limited travels, I have always enjoyed chatting with guys in the hobby (this isn't really a hobby I can usually discuss with others), so I want to make sure I don't wind up in a place only non-English speakers go. For the hotels in Makati and Malete I assume these are more for general travelers, not punters, is that true? I see there is a Peninsula Hotel and Shangri-La in Makati, these seems to be walking distance to Havana Caf, are they also walkable to the P Burgos area. Am I better off at the New World Makati?
(never been to Angeles).

All Manila hotels are used to having overnight guests. It's no issue.

All the hotels are in general walking distance of Havana Cafe, but New World is the closest. Ascott, Dusit, Intercontinental and Shangri-la are only a few blocks further away. Peninsula is across Ayala Ave, so you'll have to go under the street to cross to get to Greenbelt 3, but it's a smidge closer to P Burgos. Personally, I would take a cab to Burgos regardless. It's only $1-2 taxi ride and you won't be sweaty if you get hot easily.

Ascott probably gives you the best value if you like a lot of space (although I don't think they have 24 hour room service).

[Random99]

If you can afford to stay at the New World MB (the old Hyatt), then don't waste too much time at LA Cafe. Most of the LA girls are sub par - 5 stars or less although you may find a rare diamond if you are lucky. Go instead to the EDSA Entertainment Complex. COTTON CLUB, FIREHOUSE, and PITSTOP are the bars you want to check out. The quality is much higher than LA Cafe. EDSA is only a 5 to 10 minute taxi ride away. Go early around 8 pm. If you don't find what you are looking for, then go to LA Cafe afterwards.For both places, LA Cafe and EDSA, do not take the taxis that are sitting outside unless they turn on the meter (which they most likely won't). Flag a taxi as they go by and ensure they turn on the meter, so you don't have to get into a money fight when he drops you off at your destination.

Just be polite about the meter as some drivers will insist on a flat fare. Don't get angry or start a fight and you may need to get out and flag another taxi. Typically, they'll try to at least double a meter fare when quoting a flat fare.

Some drivers will refuse to take you to certain places. It's illegal, but it still goes on.

[Member #4698]

For both places, LA Cafe and EDSA, do not take the taxis that are sitting outside unless they turn on the meter (which they most likely won't). Flag a taxi as they go by and ensure they turn on the meter, so you don't have to get into a money fight when he drops you off at your destination.

Just be polite about the meter as some drivers will insist on a flat fare. Don't get angry or start a fight and you may need to get out and flag another taxi. Typically, they'll try to at least double a meter fare when quoting a flat fare.

Dealing with some Manila taxi drivers can be vexing at times, but don't let them get to you. Going to EDSA Entertainment from say the Diamond Hotel (across from the former Hyatt) is no problem. My policy is: no meter no fare and I find that a majority of taxi drivers hit the meter without my asking anyway. But going back from EDSA to the Diamond or some other nearby hotel with a girl is more problematic because some taxi drivers think they have an advantage and they do... kind of. But I know what the meter will run so, I am willing to pay a little more when I am with a girl just to be done with it and not to haggle in front of the girl. For a meter ride of 60 to 65 p for example, some taxi drivers will ask for 100p or more. I counter offer with 80 and they usually take it. If not I start looking for another ride, but keep in mind, we are only talking about 20 p to 40 p over the meter for a ride back to the hotel. I would normally give a driver a 20 p tip anyway. But, you are right, never show anger towards them. That's crazy. Just walk away if they are asking too much.

There is a much larger scam going on at the airport. I was quoted a crazy rate of 1500p to Makati the last time I landed at Terminal 2 on Philippine Airlines. I just started walking away and the rate magically fell to the 650p/800p range. That is still approximately 400 to 550p over the meter rate, but I never feel like waiting in line 30 to 40 minutes for a metered taxi. Time is money and I am anxious to get the fuck out of the airport. I may give Uber a call next time I land at the Manila airport. Some BM's have reported favorably about them.

[Engine Driver]

Hi,

6. ABC and the Lewis Grand seem like the high end properties in Angeles. Just wondering if the people staying at these places are from Asia or if there are more English speakers around? I assume almost all the guests are there for the hobby, is that correct?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.I've stayed at the Lewis Grand many times in AC. It's a well run hotel with a white expatriate GM in charge. Many of the clientele are English speaking foreigners on business, probably at the Clark Freeport Zone. They chose to stay in AC proper so that they can partake of horizontal refreshments after work. The place is expensive for budget mongerers who have to make their pension check last as long as possible, so they will stay elsewhere. I've never seen a Korean, Chinese or Japanese guest at the Lewis. The only time I have seen Asian guests at the Lewis where when a bunch of senior Filipino military and police officers were having a conference there. No doubt deciding how they can screw more out of the bar owners. The place is also popular for grand Filipino weddings on the weeekend.

[Engine Driver]

Thanks so much for all the help guys, it has been extremely helpful. I have learned much as I read the replies and as well have read the forums a bunch.

New question: How would I go about finding a woman while there for role play scenarios? For example she is the sexy female manager or secretary, she would have to be dressed like that when she showed up to meet me, or maybe the doctor or nurse, policewoman, or something like that. For any first time visitors to Manila looking for P4 P action, it's best to keep everything really simple. Your senses will be working overtime. You need to learn the culture very quickly and there is a lot to absorb. Manila is a huge city with too much going on. The girls will always have the upper hand as it is their city. So don't complicate things unnecessarily first time round looking for particular fetishes, wining and dining at expensive restaurants or booking too many dates in one-day. Save all of that for subsequent trips when you have learnt how things work.

In the 9-days, if you can get 6-7 good sessions from a combination of LA Cafe, EDSA, Burgos Street and Robinson Mall (if you're really desperate) then you have done really well for a first visit.

As others have pointed out, EDSA has some high quality ass. We are talking seriously beautiful girls. I like LA Cafe as it's fun to hang out there and amusing to watch what is going on. Sure, the girls are mediocre, but the crazy atmosphere makes it worth it.

[Sir Lancelot]

1. I can get to Manila airport at 1:45 am on June 27 - at that hour how long will it take to get to a hotel, it is too late to bother looking for a girl? You should go through the airport quickly at that time and the taxi queue won't be long. Get one of the metered taxis. I stayed recently at Citystate in Ermita, near LA Cafe, and the fare was 202 pesos from the airport. Often the taxi driver will pretend he doesn't have change to try and extract a big tip. You'll probably check in to your hotel about 2. 15 am which is not too late to find a girl as LA Cafe is open 24 hours. If you get there as soon as possible there will be plenty of girls but if you leave it too late the standards will drop.

I know you said you weren't so keen on the 'hunt' but LA Cafe is an experience. I recommend getting there for 8 pm on one of your other nights, have a few drinks downstairs and go upstairs at about 11 pm. Sit in the area to the left at the top of the stairs, where the band plays and you'll have lots of girls smiling over in your direction. Just smile back if you see one you like and wave her over. The best place to sit is on one of the tables near the top of the stairs. You don't need good game, just look approachable. Bear in mind the girls are evaluating you as much as you are evaluating them, so dress smartly but the most important thing to wear is a smile.

There are lots of nice girls to be found in LA Cafe. Admittedly downstairs can be like a bear-pit sometimes and there are lots of average girls, but if you are patient you'll find some great girls. Below I've posted a few pics of girls I've taken from LA Cafe.

A few tips. When you get chatting to a girl you like, she will almost certainly ask 'you been here before?' which is her way of working out whether you are a newbie which may affect her price. Never let on it's your first time. Tell her "third time, my last time this bar was called Manila Bay Cafe" or something like that. That way she'll know that you know your stuff.

LA Cafe doesn't operate a lady-drink system like gogo bars where the girls get a commission each time they're bought a drink. Management insist girls have a drink if they want to stay upstairs or before they leave with a customer, so the girls often get themselves the cheapest drink, those bottles of water with the orange cap. The girls get no money if you buy them a drink and on my last trip I offered three girls a drink and oddly they all refused. You'll find therefore that there is quite a relaxed atmosphere in LA Cafe and you won't be hassled all the time.

The other thing I'd recommend is never ask a freelancer "how much?" Instead do your research and when the time comes, say to her something like "would you like to come back to my hotel with me and stay tonight?" When she nods or says yes, tell her your offer. I picked up a very pretty 26 year old for 2500 pesos all night, pictured in the black and white dress below. I'd say she was one of the best looking girls in the bar that night but I would say, wouldn't I? My friends agreed though. 3000/4000 is too high to pay in my experience. Some of the girls in the Korean section upstairs might hold out for a price like this but the majority of the pretty girls will go for 2500 long-time. Most girls, especially those downstairs, will go cheaper than this.

LA Cafe is open 24 hours but sometimes it is sleepy during the afternoon. Gems can be found though. I picked up two pretty girls who told me they were sisters (normally I take stuff like that with a pinch of salt but they had exactly the same smile). I paid 2000 to each of them for a proper threesome (ie not just fucking one after the other, like some threesomes you get). 4000 is steep for short-time but for two girls of their quality (and the memories they gave me!) it was a fair price.

Do not pay upfront. You pay in the morning when the girl is getting ready to leave. Engine driver says "it's important to take her to the room straight away and get on with Round 1 immediately" but I disagree. I think it's fun to take her to G-Point for a drink or two perhaps, or maybe something to eat. I don't see what the rush is and if you pay her in the morning, she's hardly likely to do a runner. In my experience, the more effort you make with a girl, the more effort she will make with you. Not everyone agrees with this.

Tip generously if a girl gives you a good time. Almost all of these girls are doing the job to help support their family and they are not the hardcore pro's that some would have you believe. They're ordinary girls looking to make an honest buck. Another thing I've noticed is that the girls always tip the beggars outside LA Cafe with loose change. They are generous people so if you have a good time with them, give them a tip as well.

Have a great time and feel free to private message me again if you have any more questions. Also make sure you post a report on here. I look forward to see how your trip goes.

[Detwing1]

Dealing with some Manila taxi drivers can be vexing at times, but don't let them get to you. Going to EDSA Entertainment from say the Diamond Hotel (across from the former Hyatt) is no problem. My policy is: no meter no fare and I find that a majority of taxi drivers hit the meter without my asking anyway. But going back from EDSA to the Diamond or some other nearby hotel with a girl is more problematic because some taxi drivers think they have an advantage and they do... kind of. But I know what the meter will run so, I am willing to pay a little more when I am with a girl just to be done with it and not to haggle in front of the girl. For a meter ride of 60 to 65 p for example, some taxi drivers will ask for 100p or more. I counter offer with 80 and they usually take it. If not I start looking for another ride, but keep in mind, we are only talking about 20 p to 40 p over the meter for a ride back to the hotel. I would normally give a driver a 20 p tip anyway. But, you are right, never show anger towards them. That's crazy. Just walk away if they are asking too much.

There is a much larger scam going on at the airport. I was quoted a crazy rate of 1500p to Makati the last time I landed at Terminal 2 on Philippine Airlines. I just started walking away and the rate magically fell to the 650p/800p range. That is still approximately 400 to 550p over the meter rate, but I never feel like waiting in line 30 to 40 minutes for a metered taxi. Time is money and I am anxious to get the fuck out of the airport. I may give Uber a call next time I land at the Manila airport. Some BM's have reported favorably about them.That's funny shit about the 1500 p quote. I arrived in MNL once, directly from a meeting with clients in Japan. Didn't have time to change out of my suite before boarding the flight to MNL. As soon as I walked outside the airport, those guys were quoting 6000 p for a ride to Makati. Walked away, and the price dropped down to 1500 p. Of course I chose option "see" and waited 10 minutes for the metered cab.

The only way I could make sense of that quote was either A) I appeared rich (which I'm not) or B) I looked like I just stepped off the banana boat (quite possible).

[Robbaf]

If you can afford to stay at the New World MB (the old Hyatt), then don't waste too much time at LA Cafe. Most of the LA girls are sub par - 5 stars or less although you may find a rare diamond if you are lucky. Go instead to the EDSA Entertainment Complex. COTTON CLUB, FIREHOUSE, and PITSTOP are the bars you want to check out. The quality is much higher than LA Cafe. EDSA is only a 5 to 10 minute taxi ride away. Go early around 8 pm. If you don't find what you are looking for, then go to LA Cafe afterwards.I agree. I would use LA Cafe during the day. I used to spend three or four hours in LA Cafe to kill time and 99% of the time, I found a diamond. I always tell my friend to meet in Amazonia and walk down to meet her. This helped when a very cute LA Cafe waitress asked me why I never take anyone and I told her that I was just killing time waiting on a business meeting and she asked me to meet her at 7-11 an hour later, when she finished her shift. Haha.

[Hutzesq]

Everyone. Thanks for the help on the questions I posted yesterday.

Sir Lancelot, you really seem to have my best interests at heart and are doing what you can to save me money. I think you should manage my investment portfolio.

From the advice, I may just fly in on Saturday morning rather than trying to get in super late night. While there may be girls available at 3 am, not so sure they will be what I am looking for or that I will be awake enough to handle a girl at that hour.

Sorry to be asking about the weather, but in my Asian travels, what you call rain, traffic and a city block are often very different in Asia than the States. Yes, if it was going to be constant monsoon rains for a week, I would probably pick another destination like Bangkok / Pattaya. However it seems Manila / Angeles will probably be fine and just a bit wet. Seems like there is no point to try Subic on this trip.

Random99 - I looked up Café Havana, it appears to be open every day. But I appreciate you thoughts on the scene there. Here is the website for it.

http://ljcrestaurants.com.ph/cafe-havana/

Assuming I decide to stay in Makati but want to cab over to LA Café around 8-9 pm on Saturday or Sunday, how long would that take? Is weekend traffic better in Manila?

Thanks again for your help.

[PirateMorgan]

It is nice to listen to someone who can pass along quality info in a way that does not disrespect the girls involved. I am moving to the Philippines next month and am going to go back and read all the posts of Sir Lancelot.

[Random99]

So I have read that some of you just contact the same woman from earlier in the week and meet her again later in the week. I am thinking that seems like something I would do (assuming the first visit went well). What are the reasons not to do this? Or the criticism of this practice? So if everything went well is there a reason that I shouldn't ask her if she would like to meet me again at location X at X o clock? Or even for a third time even? Seems like it would be easy on the planning and I wouldn't have to spend so much time on the hunt and doing interviews at possibly loud bars if I already had an appointment with someone who I met earlier. As long as we both understood clearly it was just business and we are not becoming any kind of relationship and she got paid for her time is there any problem with this? Thanks in advance for all replies guys.Dude. I am sure this is not your first time for pay-for-play. You are starting to ask questions that veer on a subjective question of dislikes and likes. There is no right or wrong answer, but all to each individual's taste.

It seems like you have already answered your own question as you don't mind having a good repeat experience rather than hunting for a "possible" better one. LOL, I feel like your next question will be: should I use a condom or not? And if so, how do I put a condom on?

[Docwiltro]

Hi,

Total noob here. Just found out that I can fit 8-9 nights in the Philippines in after a business trip to China. However I leave for China in 2 days and will get to Manila June 27. I know there is plenty of Philippines info here and the standard answer is RTFF. I have been a casual reader for a while, but reading to enjoy the trip reports is different than reading with the focus of immediate trip planning. I have tried to do what I can, but given the sudden timing of my trip, I would greatly appreciate the advice from PI vets. As this is at the end of a business trip, I have minimal travel costs and I really am not at all concerned about being on a budget. I am a short, fit, 40 year old American, looking for good GFE experiences with cute, slim girls in the 20-30 year old range. Don't have to be total stunners, but want to avoid the Jolibee bellies I have heard about.

My questions:

1. I can get to Manila airport at 1:45 am on June 27 - at that hour how long will it take to get to a hotel, it is too late to bother looking for a girl? Can I get a general taxi quickly at that hour or should I arrange for pickup through my hotel?

Since you'll be arriving late, traffic won't be a problem. Take the Yellow Taxi (metered) from the airport to the Makati Shangri La (since money doesn't seem to be an issue), check in, and then, take a taxi (have the doorman get you a taxi driver who turns on the meter) directly to P. Burgos (where the clubs are open to 4 am) and Plan be. Talk to either Mommie Vannesa or Mommie Red telling either what you want, and they should be able to hook you up. If it doesn't work out there, go over to Plan be's sister bar, Kojax, and ask for Mommie Emmie. Also, Mommie Tracy at Bottoms (across from Plan B) is another option. All those bars are top notch on P. Burgos especially late.

Here's the kind of girl you'll find at Plan be.

[Engine Driver]

Here is a report from Stickman's BKK site. The writer has explained it well, but the prices are obviously out of date.

http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/Reader2007/reader3480.htm

Other things that Newbies need to know about Manila is that it is hot, humid, traffic is insane and noisy. If you are hanging out in Ermita / Malate, there are large holes in the sidewalk, beggars everywhere and you risk being run over by a Jeepney if not careful. If you are from the UK or Australia, look the other way when crossing the street! If you try to do too many things in one day you will fall over in a big heap. So just pace yourself.

[Hutsori]

New question: How would I go about finding a woman while there for role play scenarios? For example she is the sexy female manager or secretary, she would have to be dressed like that when she showed up to meet me, or maybe the doctor or nurse, policewoman, or something like that. I would not expect the women there to have many costumes or maybe the right wardrobe for those things. Is that correct? Would this be an ad I placed on Backpage or Craigslist, or another site beforehand explicitly stating what I was looking for and the requirements, the time to meet me and where, the pay would be clearly detailed etc. Or no this is not a good idea? Thank you for your thoughts.Yes, pack an additional suitcase filled with costumes. If you're into 'furry' cosplay, i.e. animal costumes, you may need very large luggage or several bags. Probably you'll need to type out scripts for her to read to enhance the experience; you may be able to find role-play scripts online. I can't figure out what scripts a gal in a bunny costume working as a secretary at the police station would need, though. Come to think of it, what does the fox say? Sure, post an ad on CL. Or another site that attracts the community of Filipina role players. I'm sure there are many dozens of them, sites that is. It won't hurt. Unless that's what you're looking for too. Up to you.


So I have read that some of you just contact the same woman from earlier in the week and meet her again later in the week. I am thinking that seems like something I would do (assuming the first visit went well). What are the reasons not to do this? Or the criticism of this practice? So if everything went well is there a reason that I shouldn't ask her if she would like to meet me again at location X at X o clock? Or even for a third time even? Seems like it would be easy on the planning and I wouldn't have to spend so much time on the hunt and doing interviews at possibly loud bars if I already had an appointment with someone who I met earlier. As long as we both understood clearly it was just business and we are not becoming any kind of relationship and she got paid for her time is there any problem with this? Thanks in advance for all replies guys.Really?

[Engine Driver]

Hi,

1. I can get to Manila airport at 1:45 am on June 27 - at that hour how long will it take to get to a hotel, it is too late to bother looking for a girl? Can I get a general taxi quickly at that hour or should I arrange for pickup through my hotel?

2. I plan on being in Manila for 2-3 days and then the rest in Angeles 5-6 days. I can fly out of Clark so it makes sense to end in Angeles. Is this a good time mix? Should I also try to check out Subic for a night or two?

Since you will be staying at the Shangri-La Makati, it will be better if you arrange for them to pick you up in a hotel car (since cost is of no object). No need to worry about taxi queues or rip offs. Since you want to get to the bars before 4. 00 am closing, ask the driver to take you straight to P. Burgos Street from NAIA. After he has dropped you off at the bars, he can then take your bags straight to the hotel. After you have picked out your honey, you and your girl can get a taxi to the hotel before checking in and then fucking her brains out.

No need to go to Subic unless you are into technical diving and are seeking a wreck divers certification. Every type of amusement you need is in AC. Subic might only be 80 km away from AC, but you will waste half-a-day getting there and the pussy is not any better than at AC.

[Member #4387]

Dude. I am sure this is not your first time for pay-for-play. You are starting to ask questions that veer on a subjective question of dislikes and likes. There is no right or wrong answer, but all to each individual's taste.

It seems like you have already answered your own question as you don't mind having a good repeat experience rather than hunting for a "possible" better one. LOL, I feel like your next question will be: should I use a condom or not? And if so, how do I put a condom on?I agree totaly. I am sorry as I started this due to some of his first questions felt legit and could be hard to find any answers on through here (I specified this in my reply to him) Now the guy in detail goes on and on and he will not arrive here until September, haha. But he seems to have got himself a willing crowd helping him out. I only hope they can take it through pm bcs this continuing until September will be boring stuffs.

[Simmer]

Other things that Newbies need to know about Manila is that it is hot, humid, traffic is insane and noisy. If you are hanging out in Ermita / Malate, there are large holes in the sidewalk, beggars everywhere and you risk being run over by a Jeepney if not careful. If you are from the UK or Australia, look the other way when crossing the street! If you try to do too many things in one day you will fall over in a big heap. So just pace yourself.Yeah, watch quite literally all around you. Holes in the pavement / sidewalk, big lumps of metal / stone / cable sticking out of the pavement / sidewalk, cables string at low heights, cars without lights on at night, vehicles driving where vehicles shouldn't be driving (so even in a one-way street look both ways), pickpockets.

It's a lot to take in. But it's fun. I probably haven't seen the worst Manila has to offer but I've felt a lot less safe in parts of London. Oh, and don't get drunk, accept an offer to play a game of cards, walk with cash / phones obviously visible and / or unprotected, eat raw salad, or have drinks with ice chipped from blocks (most bars are ok). If I wear jeans I usually split money between both front pockets.

[Random99]

Random99 - I looked up Caf Havana, it appears to be open every day. But I appreciate you thoughts on the scene there. Here is the website for it.

http://ljcrestaurants.com.ph/cafe-havana/Apologies. I guess I confused it with the holidays around Easter. P Burgos was closed a few days during Easter as well and I trekked over to LA Cafe (as they are open 365 days a year).



Assuming I decide to stay in Makati but want to cab over to LA Caf around 8-9 pm on Saturday or Sunday, how long would that take? Is weekend traffic better in Manila?
There is no direct route to LA Cafe from Makati and your taxi driver will take you on some side streets. From my memory, it normally takes about 20-30 minutes.

[OneIpole]

For both places, LA Cafe and EDSA, do not take the taxis that are sitting outside unless they turn on the meter (which they most likely won't). Flag a taxi as they go by and ensure they turn on the meter, so you don't have to get into a money fight when he drops you off at your destination.

Just be polite about the meter as some drivers will insist on a flat fare. Don't get angry or start a fight and you may need to get out and flag another taxi. Typically, they'll try to at least double a meter fare when quoting a flat fare.

Some drivers will refuse to take you to certain places. It's illegal, but it still goes on.A lot of drivers are ass holes. They see a white face and immediately try to take as much advantage as possible. I would get so mad before, but now I try not to. Filipinos can be very nice- but when it comes to taxis and such they pretty much try to get whatever they can.

[CallSign Papa]

They see a white face and immediately try to take as much advantage as possible.Welcome to Asia, this statement applies to virtually everyone you might come into contact with in Manila, from the taxi driver to the girl in the bar, you are judged by your appearance and are fair game thereafter. Your job is understand the difference between a harmless ruse that might cost you an extra 50 pesos from the outright ripoff that might cost an extra 500.

For guys with no familial ties in Phil (or Thailand) you are, at best, a walking wallet.

[Simmer]

Welcome to Asia, this statement applies to virtually everyone you might come into contact with in Manila, from the taxi driver to the girl in the bar, you are judged by your appearance and are fair game thereafter. Your job is understand the difference between a harmless ruse that might cost you an extra 50 pesos from the outright ripoff that might cost an extra 500.

For guys with no familial ties in Phil (or Thailand) you are, at best, a walking wallet.Let's not limit this to Asia either! Happens a lot in South America and North Africa from experience, and I imagine the rest of Africa, Middle East etc too. I've even seen Hispanics being charged more in the US than Americans, even though they don't tend to be more well off. Multi-tiered service basically.

[Kaywhy]

A lot of drivers are ass holes. They see a white face and immediately try to take as much advantage as possible. I would get so mad before, but now I try not to. Filipinos can be very nice- but when it comes to taxis and such they pretty much try to get whatever they can.There are good ones and bad ones. When I lived in the phils, only took a cab once per week as I could walk to work and also drove myself. So quite familiar with the roads from TT in the south to Subic in the north. If the driver knows you understand the area well. Even providing directions on which streets to use, you can almost never be ripped off. In five years there, I can only count 3-4 times total that I feel I was overcharged. So I think the issue is being overblown.

[Slippery]

A lot of drivers are ass holes. They see a white face and immediately try to take as much advantage as possible. I would get so mad before, but now I try not to. Filipinos can be very nice- but when it comes to taxis and such they pretty much try to get whatever they can.One wanted to charge me 3 x the meter rate to get to my place yesterday. Three others didn't know my destination even though it's about. 75 km from where I was trying to get a ride from. Two others just refused to bring me here.

[Red Kilt]

In five years there, I can only count 3-4 times total that I feel I was overcharged. So I think the issue is being overblown.The taxi issue crops up on this board around every 6 months.

As always, there are posts from those for whom every taxi driver is a crook.

For others, like me, who has lived continuously in the Philippines for 18 years, and guys like KY who can count on one hand the number of times there has been any irregularity with a taxi driver. It just never happens that drivers either refuse to take me or don't want to use the meter.

I cannot speak for KY, but for me, I can only assume it's because I usually get picked up at my condo in Ortigas or at a mall taxi stop or at Greenbelt in Makati. I am always well-dressed and don't look like a tourist on the streets of Ermita / Malate. I never use GrabTaxi or other Apps; they are always regular cabs on the street.

It's almost like some of us live in a parallel universe. Taxis in Manila give me no angst whatsoever.

[Engine Driver]

The taxi issue crops up on this board around every 6 months.

I am always well-dressed and don't look like a tourist on the streets of Ermita / Malate. Why grown foreign men continue to wear shorts after 6. 00 pm in Asia is beyond comprehension. Have you ever seen an Asian man out at night wearing shorts? If men wear jeans or long pants and closed shoes when they go mongering at night, it would certainly make an difference in the treatment they got from WGs, taxi drivers and other service people. Wearing shorts at night shows lack of respect. Keep the shorts and flip flops for daytime cruising.

I have seen fat, white mongerers wearing colored wife beaters, shorts and flip flops when they go bar hopping. It is not a good look and despite the size of your wallet, the girls are all laughing at you behind your back.

[Wicked Roger]

Why grown foreign men continue to wear shorts after 6. 00 pm in Asia is beyond comprehension. Have you ever seen an Asian man out at night wearing shorts? If men wear jeans or long pants and closed shoes when they go mongering at night, it would certainly make an difference in the treatment they got from WGs, taxi drivers and other service people. Wearing shorts at night shows lack of respect. Keep the shorts and flip flops for daytime cruising.

I have seen fat, white mongerers wearing colored wife beaters, shorts and flip flops when they go bar hopping. It is not a good look and despite the size of your wallet, the girls are all laughing at you behind your back.ED,

They do as they can and on vacation. I see many pinoys similarly dressed at night (you clearly don't hang out where I do). And pinoys love to walk around with their t shirts / vests / singlets pulled up to expose their stomachs (as keeps them cool I was told).

If the girls laugh no worries as lots fish in the sea and those that wear don't care as they know they will hook one.

Many white fat mongers come here plus a few very fat white women in tow. Now that is a horrible sight in their shorts at any time of the day LOL.

Size of wallet is all that matters to some girls trust me on this. Some don't care as long as you have the cash and pay but are respectful. If you are a fat whitely etc who is a cheap charlie then I even I would say don't see the guy (discussed many times on the board).

[Hutsori]

Taxis in Manila give me no angst whatsoever.Exactly. I've had a handful of attempted rips off, i.e. refusing to use the meter, and a couple of successful ones due to my own stupidity by being distracted. In one case I wasn't paying attention to see the meter had long been running and in another the driver failed to turn it on. Really no worries. Before going to an unknown-to-me location I check google maps to get an idea about the route. When I enter the taxi I make sure the guy turns on the meter. Taxi break downs have happened more frequently, though still quite rare. When that has happened the driver didn't even charge me. I only recall a few times when the driver has been rude or reckless. The reputation of Manila cabbies being dishonest is undeserved. I've experienced more hassles in other countries including "developed" ones.

[CallSign Papa]

I cannot speak for KY, but for me, I can only assume it's because I usually get picked up at my condo in Ortigas or at a mall taxi stop or at Greenbelt in Makati. I am always well-dressed and don't look like a tourist on the streets of Ermita / Malate. I never use GrabTaxi or other Apps; they are always regular cabs on the street.

It's almost like some of us live in a parallel universe. Taxis in Manila give me no angst whatsoever.With respect RK, I think your experience is quite removed from the average first time, or relatively new visitor to Manila, who's first experience will be the airport which (if they've neglected to RTFF) is ripe for some serious overcharging by taxis. They'll then potentially have a similar experience when they go from hotels to destinations like Burgos, EDSA etc, which also clearly mark them as tourists irrespective of attire.

I haven't had too many issues with taxis (beyond the occasional "I add 50 pesos because it's rush hour" and consider the odd overcharge part of doing business in Manila, it's tourist tax and you'll find the same in Moscow, Kiev and Bangkok.

[WestCoast1]

Exactly. I've had a handful of attempted rips off, i.e. refusing to use the meter, and a couple of successful ones due to my own stupidity by being distracted. SNIP I only recall a few times when the driver has been rude or reckless.Concur. The number of taxi problems in Manila has dropped (for me, an occasional warrior) by 95% in the last 3 or so years. Not sure why, but cabbies have gotten much better.


The reputation of Manila cabbies being dishonest is undeserved. Disagree. The legacy of rotten cabbies doing the gringo-tango is deserved. On visits prior to a few years ago, on a typical trip I would hail 2+ dozen taxis. Usually 3-4 would try to take advantage somehow of the situation.

[GoodEnough]

I don't normally take taxis, as when I'm in Manila I prefer to use Uber for the daily treks between Makati and Ortigas and back. However, I do take the, Moccasionally for shorter trips around Makati and I can't remember the last time a taxi driver tried to cheat me. It still amazes me that guys who spend thousands of dollars to get here and play get frantic over the possibility of losing a dollar or two.

GE.

[Random99]

Why grown foreign men continue to wear shorts after 6. 00 pm in Asia is beyond comprehension. Have you ever seen an Asian man out at night wearing shorts? If men wear jeans or long pants and closed shoes when they go mongering at night, it would certainly make an difference in the treatment they got from WGs, taxi drivers and other service people. Wearing shorts at night shows lack of respect. Keep the shorts and flip flops for daytime cruising.

I have seen fat, white mongerers wearing colored wife beaters, shorts and flip flops when they go bar hopping. It is not a good look and despite the size of your wallet, the girls are all laughing at you behind your back.LOL, I wear shorts all the time and pair it with a t-shirt and quazi-baseball hat.

[Random99]

I don't normally take taxis, as when I'm in Manila I prefer to use Uber for the daily treks between Makati and Ortigas and back. However, I do take the, Moccasionally for shorter trips around Makati and I can't remember the last time a taxi driver tried to cheat me. It still amazes me that guys who spend thousands of dollars to get here and play get frantic over the possibility of losing a dollar or two.

GE.I'm only 1 person's opinion, but right or wrong. I don't like paying more than I should with anything. Just a fair and hopefully advertised price.

(Ex. I just looked at my mobile phone detail for the first time in a while. I'm still paying taxes and fees based off my prior home state. It's probably on $2-3 / month, but it's still annoying. I don't want to pay that either.).

[Amadeuss]

Subic might only be 80 km away from AC, but you will waste half-a-day getting there and the pussy is not any better than at AC.Disagree! Not that the pussy is better. That's the same everywhere in the Phils, wet and sweet.

But its the attitude what differs. In AC you bet hardly to find a LT. Most of the promises:"Ohh yes honey, I stay longtime with you". Will be broken once fucked. Be it the friend got no keys, be it she needs to go to the hygene, be it the baby cries at home. AC is cheaper then Burgos, but still 2500 minimum down the drain for a star-fish ST.

Subic more relaxed, no DLD and drink pressure, Dryden group bars have a pay-after-scheme of 1500, and only if superb add a tip next morning. Not to forget the floating bars at daytime. Although they may get pulled in soon.

Its a more laid-back holiday feel. Whereas AC is the dusty drinking place with scams galore and a growing agressive bakla community for the one-week millionaires who don't know better.

[Member #4698]

But its the attitude what differs. Subic more relaxed, no DLD and drink pressure, Dryden group bars have a pay-after-scheme of 1500, and only if superb add a tip next morning. Not to forget the floating bars at daytime. Although they may get pulled in soon.

Its a more laid-back holiday feel. Whereas AC is the dusty drinking place with scams galore Amadeuss, Subic is not for everybody and some punters just prefer AC. That's the way it should be because everybody has different tastes. I for one either prefer big city Manila or the relaxed laid back beach scene in Subic over AC, for all the reasons you gave above and then some. Most importantly, I like the Subic girls. I have never had a bad one. My hardest problem in dealing with Subic girls is turning them down and not going back to the same deserving girl I had the night before ie being a butterfly. LOL. It is hard to say no to such friendly sweet girls.

I like to stay at the Wilid Orchid with a room on the beach. I like to invite my favorite girl of the week to come by and relax by the pool in the afternoons. She usually asks if it is ok if she bring a friend. We cap off the afternoon with a drink at the Blue Rock floating bar and a late afternoon shag before she goes off to get ready for her night shift.

It is good to be by the ocean and feel those sea breezes even if I chose not to go swimming in the polluted waters. That is something in common with Pattaya although Subic is much less developed than Pattaya obviously. And although I have a few favorite bars in AC that I really like, I actually prefer the much smaller, less touristy bar scene on National Hwy in Barrio Barreto. (BTW it only takes an hour to drive from AC to Subic. Take the S3 Subic Super Shuttle http://www.drydensubic.com/ and go in comfort.).

But as I wrote above, Subic is not for everybody. My advice is check it out for a few days and see for yourself. On the other hand, don't come here. Subic is a dirty shithole and I do not want this place to ever change. Ha Ha.

[CallSign Papa]

It still amazes me that guys who spend thousands of dollars to get here and play get frantic over the possibility of losing a dollar or two.

GE.Good point!


LOL, I wear shorts all the time and pair it with a t-shirt and quazi-baseball hat.Who or what is a quazi-baseball cap?

[Amadeuss]

Subic is not for everybody and some punters just prefer AC. That's the way it should be because everybody has different tastes. I for one either prefer big city Manila or the relaxed laid back beach scene in Subic over AC, for all the reasons you gave above and then some. But as I wrote above, Subic is not for everybody. My advice is check it out for a few days and see for yourself. On the other hand, don't come here. Subic is a dirty shithole and I do not want this place to ever change. Ha Ha.Agree. If a newbie asks if he shall go here or there, don't put your foot on and say this is crap or that is shit.

Take your sweet time, explore and then make up your mind what fits your taste.

(actually. It would not like the typical AC crowd to invade little Baloy.).

[Simmer]

Why grown foreign men continue to wear shorts after 6. 00 pm in Asia is beyond comprehension. Have you ever seen an Asian man out at night wearing shorts?


I see many pinoys similarly dressed at night (you clearly don't hang out where I do). And pinoys love to walk around with their t shirts / vests / singlets pulled up to expose their stomachs (as keeps them cool I was told).I concur with Wicked Roger here, definitely in the provinces. Now if they were going out to a decent bar / restaurant in the evening then yes, perhaps they do dress up.

[Engine Driver]

ED,

They do as they can and on vacation. I see many pinoys similarly dressed at night (you clearly don't hang out where I do). And pinoys love to walk around with their t shirts / vests / singlets pulled up to expose their stomachs (as keeps them cool I was told).

If the girls laugh no worries as lots fish in the sea and those that wear don't care as they know they will hook one.

Many white fat mongers come here plus a few very fat white women in tow. Now that is a horrible sight in their shorts at any time of the day LOL.

Size of wallet is all that matters to some girls trust me on this. Some don't care as long as you have the cash and pay but are respectful. If you are a fat whitely etc who is a cheap charlie then I even I would say don't see the guy (discussed many times on the board).WR,

I'm not suggesting that for one moment you should wear a three piece suit and top hat when you are lounging by the pool, munching on your club sandwich. It doesn't take much effort to put on a pair of jeans, a collared shirt and shoes when heading out at night. It's really just a case of attitude and respect.

Picture a slightly different situation. Would foreigners ever visit OT in Singapore or Malioboro in Jakarta wearing shorts? Probably not. It seems different standards apply in the Phils and LOS.

I'm sure we do mix in different social circles in Manila. The only Pinoys I have seen wearing shorts at night are Jeepney drivers, viagra / cialis bandits and beggars. LOL.

[Engine Driver]

Disagree! Not that the pussy is better. That's the same everywhere in the Phils, wet and sweet.

But its the attitude what differs. In AC you bet hardly to find a LT. Most of the promises:"Ohh yes honey, I stay longtime with you". Will be broken once fucked. Be it the friend got no keys, be it she needs to go to the hygene, be it the baby cries at home. AC is cheaper then Burgos, but still 2500 minimum down the drain for a star-fish ST.

Subic more relaxed, no DLD and drink pressure, Dryden group bars have a pay-after-scheme of 1500, and only if superb add a tip next morning. Not to forget the floating bars at daytime. Although they may get pulled in soon.

Its a more laid-back holiday feel. Whereas AC is the dusty drinking place with scams galore and a growing agressive bakla community for the one-week millionaires who don't know better.Everyone's experience will vary on this. It's harder to find LT in Subic as many of the girls like to be tucked in bed at their own homes by 11.00 pm. Many won't go with a customer and are happy to just collect their 250 PHP / day salary and any commissions from LDs. Another forum member commented he was stuck with blue balls and blue notes in Subic once. There are a lot fewer girls and most are in the 4-5 range. Some will come LT though, and I agree their attitudes are different. More relaxed and friendly. You still need to buy a LD in Subic while you conduct the interview with the girl. BTW, the floating bar at Arizona has been shut down and Arizona is really going down hill with the new owner. You can't really call Subic a resort town, not unless your idea of a resort is looking at straddle cranes and an endless number of container ships on the horizon, and of course swimming in the polluted bay.

LT in AC has never been a problem, unless you are hunting in the perimeter bars as many of those girls need to go home to their families by 11.00 pm. For fucks sake, there are 2,000 girls available each night in AC and the majority are happy to go LT. I can't see what the problem is. I was there last month and only had one runner and one non-performer in a week, but that was completely my fault on both occasions for not reading the warning signs. I was completely besotted with the non-performer and she unfortunately read me like a book. The runner was a failed suicide attempt girl. I chose to ignore the scars on her wrist and should have never BF'd her. If you stay away from the larger bars like Doll House, Atlantis, Asia House (and don't BF the spotlight girls) and go for the second tier bars like Lollipop, Pony Tails, Insomnia, Icarus etc, your experience might be better.

[Makeupaname]

When it is 30+ outside, I am wearing shorts everywhere except work, weddings or government offices.

[Random99]

Who or what is a quazi-baseball cap?I was halfway afraid to response in the forum as it's a waste of bandwidth. I feel like a baseball cap could be construed as the hats they wear in MLB w / a team insignia. I wear similar type hats or ones that could be called trucker hats, but with no sports insignia. (note: I spelled quazi wrong as it should have been quasi.).

P.S. Nice reports about the Rockwell area in the Makati section.