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Member #4566
09-30-17, 23:45
Excellent post, Soapy. Kudos for not simply saying "RTFF". I am also intrigued by the mall game. Not much challenge picking up a girl in a dedicated monger environment. And since I was teen, I always wanted to pick up a strange girl at a shopping mall and take her off for sex. This sounds like a great way to check that off the list. Is it fair to say you would be dealing with a less professional or jaded type of girl at a Manila mall? Something like what the Germans call a "Hobby Hure"?Lunchtime at Harrison's Mall is the most happnin time according to some working girls I met there about 2 years ago. Upstairs and loitering around the railing. Perhaps the most sure thing when malling for girls in MNL.
WestCoast1
10-01-17, 01:38
Lunchtime at Harrison's Mall is the most happnin time according to some working girls I met there about 2 years ago. Upstairs and loitering around the railing. Perhaps the most sure thing when malling for girls in MNL.Concur. Noon-ish, just walk the second floor. There are providers (mamas) there who will approach you.
If anyone is in the vicinity of the LA Cafe can you report if Amazon has reopened? I like to watch football there and get a nice blowjob at halftime. It will never reopen.
Totally derelict now with squatters in it. It looks like it has been gutted by locals. I suspect it will be bulldozed very soon.
Thanks, RK. What a shame. I had some suprisingly good finds from there on occasion. I suppose the girls that used to go there are all scattered now. Most did not like LAC. Perhaps G-Point. Oh well.
It will never reopen.
Totally derelict now with squatters in it. It looks like it has been gutted by locals. I suspect it will be bulldozed very soon.
Crazy4Thai
10-01-17, 15:58
Concur. Noon-ish, just walk the second floor. There are providers (mamas) there who will approach you.With mamas involved do they then show pics? And prices are up? Or any other intel on how that transaction works regarding services, my room vs. ST hotel etc. I would not ask except for the "mama factor".
Member #4566
10-01-17, 16:25
With mamas involved do they then show pics? And prices are up? Or any other intel on how that transaction works regarding services, my room vs. ST hotel etc. I would not ask except for the "mama factor".Unregulated marketplace. Everything is negotiable.
WestCoast1
10-01-17, 17:04
With mamas involved do they then show pics? And prices are up? Or any other intel on how that transaction works regarding services, my room vs. ST hotel etc. I would not ask except for the "mama factor".The mama often has several girls right there on the second floor. She might also have pics of other available girls in the area. You may be overthinking this. Regarding location, the girl will go wherever you take her for the ditty. Don't pay anything up front (the mama may ask for payment up front). The full payment (the agreed-upon price) includes everything, including the mama's fee, give it to the girl (along with a tip if you like to tip) when your time with the girl is up.
ManonsanBoy
10-01-17, 20:36
Staying there for 2 days. Want to avoid bars. Nearest malls? Any decent massage near here.
Member #4558
10-01-17, 21:04
Staying there for 2 days. Want to avoid bars. Nearest malls? Any decent massage near here.While The Harrison Plaza is a run down piece of shit the Robinson Mall try to stay afloat with some decent shops and quite modern. These are the two malls anyway in your close vicinity (Robinson by far the closest as in walking distance). Both places you can get girls to perform massageservice as in FL's.
Soapy Smith
10-01-17, 23:00
Staying there for 2 days. Want to avoid bars. Nearest malls? Any decent massage near here.
VC has given the nutshell version. Here is the nut job version.
You really need to do a little research with GoogleEarth or GoogleMaps. From Pan Pacific to Robinsons Place Mall is a two block walk north on Adriatico, which runs along the east side of your hotel. Rothman Hotel is a block north of Pan Pacific, so if the club exists as referenced by somebody a few posts ago, it would be in this area. In the same block as Rothman is (I think I saw it still there recently) a restaurant called Zamboanga Restaurant. Decent seafood and other traditional Filipino cuisine, but the highlight is traditional folk dancing accompanied by native musical instruments. They will pick out a few foreigners and get them on the stage to humiliate them in lewd attire and dances they can't possibly perform, but all good fun. A place to take a SYT, if you are in that frame of mind.
Or, go south on Adriatico about nine blocks to Harrison Plaza Mall, which WC has referenced. Robinsons Place is a more "high end" mall; I use the term loosely. Harrizon Plaza is not high end. It has an SM Department store, a bunch of eateries, a lot of lower priced clothing and shoe places, and storefront churches and bingo halls. Good place to buy a cheap used cell phone. Last couple times I've been there I cruised the second floor railing but found no obvious entertainers. I didn't go at noon, and WC's information is usually sound.
Hotel staff will advise a taxi to get to Harrison, and they will question why you'd ever go there with Robinsons Place so close. Or, they may immediately surmise your intentions, and confirm them when you return with a p4p in tow. A taxi is an easy trip, since Adriatico is one-way south. On the other side of Harrision Plaza is Mabini, which runs one-way to the north and gets you back to your hotel easily.
Here are some reference points in the event you walk. About three blocks south of Pan Pacific you will encounter Remedios Circle. This area has attracted a number of Korean and Japanese eateries, and thus visitors of those nationalities. The food is usually decent. Others can tell you about some of the area nightclubs. I don't frequent them because I can't dance and have no game. Another two blocks to the south you will cross San Andres Street. A couple blocks to the left is the area where the rooftop chases were filmed for the Bourne Legacy movie. Jeremy Renner's big jump down through the narrow alley to rescue Rachel Weisz from between to Filipino cops was filmed at a set on Remedios Circle. Turn to the right on San Andres and go about two or three blocks to the historic Malate Chapel and a neat restaurant named The Aristocrat. Open 24 hours, always busy, and serving a cuisine that ranges from traditional Filipino to many different foreign dishes.
Sorry. TMI. I got carried away.
Soapy Smith
10-01-17, 23:21
Is it fair to say you would be dealing with a less professional or jaded type of girl at a Manila mall? Something like what the Germans call a "Hobby Hure"?Some, especially those at Harrision Plaza, are probably less professional, and they work with a mamasan because they lack the courage or gumption to operate as freelancers at places like LAC. But at Robinsons Place they are not usually working with a mamasan, and do not lack gumption. Some of them at Robinsons Place can be hardcore, and some are there because they've been permantley kicked out of LAC or the old Amazonia.
Staying there for 2 days. Want to avoid bars. Nearest malls? Any decent massage near here.I stayed at Pan Pacific a couple of years back. If you are looking for a legit massage, you have two options within a 4 minute walk of the hotel. The first is directly across the street. I have been there twice. Cheap but run down, massage service really not good. There is another on the same side of the street as the first, 3-4 blocks in the direction of Robinson's Mall that looked newer and better. I only noticed it on my last day so I could not try it out. As I've said, this info is a couple of years old.
I can't advise on any naughty massage parlours in the area.
Crazy4Thai
10-02-17, 15:43
You may be overthinking this.Well that's true. I've never had to deal with a provider for FL in Thailand. I did have to in Jakarta and sometimes their approach would be to sell the service with no girl in sight. That part probably relates back to the recent advise "to be patient" on another thread. Thanks for the info. I'll report back when I try it out in November.
Mr Enternational
10-02-17, 16:08
I've never had to deal with a provider for FL in Thailand. I did have to in Jakarta and sometimes their approach would be to sell the service with no girl in sight.You got me scratching my head over here. If someone is providing freelancers doesn't that mean the aren't freakin freelancers? Freelancers provide themselves. That is the whole idea behind the genus.
You really are overthinking. Keep it simple. The pussy is over there. Go get it.
To get the lay of the land (figuratively) use Googlemaps or GoogleEarth and search for LA Cafe, Ermita, Manila. Once the search engine gets you into the neighborhood look for businesses that are marked with cocktail glasses in both search engines. There are a couple four-star hotels and a handful of three star places that are accustomed to mongers. All are girlfriendly. Some have their own websites, and most that are three stars or better are also shown in Agoda and other similar lodging sites.
Great answer Soapy, very helpful, thank you.
Soapy Smith
10-03-17, 20:46
To get the lay of the land (figuratively) use Googlemaps or GoogleEarth and search for LA Cafe, Ermita, Manila. Once the search engine gets you into the neighborhood look for businesses that are marked with cocktail glasses in both search engines. I noticed that G-Point does not appear on Googlemaps or GoogleEarth. It is on the south side of Padre Faura, between Mabini and Adriatico. Padre Faura is the street that runs along the north side of Robinsons Place Mall, which can't be missed on the map or GoogleEarth.
Informative post Soapy, but Zamboanga restaurant is gone. I was in that area in August. I think it has been replaced by a place called Upstage which appears to have East Asians as a target market.
In the same block as Rothman is (I think I saw it still there recently) a restaurant called Zamboanga Restaurant. Decent seafood and other traditional Filipino cuisine, but the highlight is traditional folk dancing accompanied by native musical instruments. They will pick out a few foreigners and get them on the stage to humiliate them in lewd attire and dances they can't possibly perform, but all good fun. A place to take a SYT, if you are in that frame of mind.
SNIP
Sorry. TMI. I got carried away.
Soapy Smith
10-05-17, 07:38
Informative post Soapy, but Zamboanga restaurant is gone. I was in that area in August. I think it has been replaced by a place called Upstage which appears to have East Asians as a target market.Thanks for the update, X. I guess this exposes how my skulking practice has gotten rusty for the shortcut alley passageway from Executive Plaza on Mabini through to Rothman. You been getting in any skulking practice? Where's AV when we need him?
When I was in the area in March I noticed how area businesses for several blocks increasingly have signage in Korean or Arabic.
Captain America
10-06-17, 06:45
Amazonia is closed I believe. It wa slast time I was there about a month ago. LAC doesn't have Mamasans I have noticed, all the girls seems to be genuine freelancers.
More freelancers to be found before Robinsons on Pedro Gil. All hors of teh day, just walk around teh resturants and you will be offered massage by many girls.
My $0. 02.
Amazonia is closed I believe. It wa slast time I was there about a month ago. LAC doesn't have Mamasans I have noticed, all the girls seems to be genuine freelancers.
More freelancers to be found before Robinsons on Pedro Gil. All hors of teh day, just walk around teh resturants and you will be offered massage by many girls.
My $0. 02.There are discreet mama sans at LAC. As soon as Asian punters come in groups they get on their phone calling good looking girls to come in. These girls go straight to the group and do not even look at others. If they are not picked they may hang around to see if they can strike a deal.
Amazonia is closed I believe. It wa slast time I was there about a month ago. Amazonia is now totally derelict and seems it will be bulldozed soon.
It hasn't just closed, it has shut down for good and been gutted.
It's not going to re-open.
It was never busy but the last straw was when some guy checked in, paid for three nights and promptly tied a bag over his head. Also the business was so far behind with payments that the bailiffs stripped out every basin, door handle and light bulb. The place looks really creepy and haunted now.
No one else seems to miss it but I used to stay therefor the location and can still get nostalgic about chasing roaches round the rooms with my shoe. There was a lot of shabu being taken in the toilet and I wonder where the women are now.
ManonsanBoy
10-07-17, 11:07
Spent 2 days in Pan Pacific. Forget about Harrison mall. AlA see is full on blast but quality mostly not there. Robinson today was not full of FL, some but not many.
GB Mongers
10-07-17, 16:23
Dear members,
I've looked through threads to find any girls offering anal or threesome but no luck so far.
Grateful if you could PM me some contacts.
I will duly share mine after my visit next week.
Best,
GB.
Chocha Monger
10-07-17, 22:55
Dear members,
I've looked through threads to find any girls offering anal or threesome but no luck so far.
Grateful if you could PM me some contacts.
I will duly share mine after my visit next week.
Best,
GB.GB Mongers,
Try looking up some escort sites in Manila and submitting your requests with them. If you are already in Manila, you can visit the bars on Burgos St and field your requests there. LA Cafe offers a smorgasbord for low budget mongers who like it cheap and nasty. Just walk in, buy a drink and declare that you are looking for girls to fuck in the ass and threesome. The women there will jump on you in a flash! They are not at all shy.
ISG tells you where to look for the girls much like the book 'Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them' but the rest is up to you. You seem to be in the market for a pimp who can do the hard work of finding the girls and delivering them to your bed. Manila offers those services too via escort sites and there a many pimps offering their services on the streets. Many taxi drivers offer their pimping services for small fee. If you are a foreigner, you will have more pimps approaching you on the streets than you can handle in the dodgy parts of the city such as Ermita and Malate.
Dear members,
I've looked through threads to find any girls offering anal or threesome but no luck so far.
Grateful if you could PM me some contacts.
I will duly share mine after my visit next week.
Best,
GB.It's not wise for us to recommend specific girls without first knowing who we are dealing with.
La Cafe, often mentioned on Manila thread, has the girls for you.
Wicked Roger
10-08-17, 04:10
Dear members,
I've looked through threads to find any girls offering anal or threesome but no luck so far.
Grateful if you could PM me some contacts.
I will duly share mine after my visit next week.
Best,
GB.Plenty of girls offer this GB if you RTFF and do some serious groundwork. The site won't name the ladies nor give contacts as that is against the board rules. RTFF those also in case you are unsure. There are so many ways to find what you want by RTFF that am very surprised you never saw the tips and techniques.
If you want to find girls try other web sites that offer that information freely. You walk along the street with a banner asking that question, you could stop girls in the street and ask them politely if they like Greek or threesomes or both, you could go to bars I suppose as that is the best way but whichever way you choose RTFF will help or other web sites set up for the purposes you need.
Also you don't even say which part of Manila as that would mean a different response depending on the district (again RTFF can help with that also as there are some specific threads).
Have fun and please FR all the experiences so we can see Manila from a newbies eyes.
ShimShimhey
10-08-17, 19:55
I'm traveling to Manila for the first time. I am Japanese-Hawaiian but I often pass for a Filipino. Looking like a local, would this put a damper on my fun with the women? I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians.
Plenty of girls offer this GB ........................You walk along the street with a banner asking that question .........................................Yes, the banner approach does work. Remember once seeing a girl with a sandwich board hanging around her neck "Under maintenance, BJ's only". Think some falang paid her to walk around with that board. Big smile on her face and everyone who saw the sign.
GB Mongers, means of course. GangBang Mongers. If you walked around with the mates your are sourcing for (Mongers). With a suitable sandwich board, viz "Vacany, apply here". Then when girl wants to know what the job is you could explain, 'blow job' etc. Be discreet of course.
OK, good luck, Gang Bangers.
I also pass for Filipino. Filipinos tell me that all the time. I have no problem scoring in PH. Some girls like white dudes, but I think its more the novelty of it than a real overall social preference. Some girls like black dudes. I knew this one girl who swore that she was black on the inside and could really relate to black people. She had a big ass, I think a lot of black dudes liked her for that. Some girls really only go with koreans, and if you look Filipino and are somewhat light skinned, you'll probably pass for Korean as well.
You'll do fine. Its really hard not to. Remember also, that some girls explicitly will not go with white guys or black guys.
I'm traveling to Manila for the first time. I am Japanese-Hawaiian but I often pass for a Filipino. Looking like a local, would this put a damper on my fun with the women? I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians.
Blanquiceleste
10-09-17, 16:23
I'm traveling to Manila for the first time. I am Japanese-Hawaiian but I often pass for a Filipino. Looking like a local, would this put a damper on my fun with the women? I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians.Guess someone did not get the memo.
Plenty of girls offer this GB if you RTFF and do some serious groundwork. Help me. What means RTFF?
Help me. What means RTFF?Read the f'ing forum. It is an expression used to encourage members to research previous topics / posts to glean info.
Help me. What means RTFF?It means Really Too Fooking Fantastic! It's what the chicas always tell me after I cause them to have multiple orgasms, squirting, toe cramps, etc. During a very long-time session.
Robert Long
10-09-17, 18:00
Yes, the banner approach does work. Remember once seeing a girl with a sandwich board hanging around her neck "Under maintenance, BJ's only". Think some falang paid her to walk around with that board. Big smile on her face and everyone who saw the sign.
GB Mongers, means of course. GangBang Mongers. If you walked around with the mates your are sourcing for (Mongers). With a suitable sandwich board, viz "Vacany, apply here". Then when girl wants to know what the job is you could explain, 'blow job' etc. Be discreet of course.
OK, good luck, Gang Bangers.Make a Tee-Shirt, you'll sell a few of those. 5555.
RL.
CallSign Papa
10-14-17, 09:36
I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.
About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.
Anyone got any clues?
Causes of stretch marks.
Pregnancy.
Obesity.
Pregnancy.
I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.
About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.
Anyone got any clues?
Mango King
10-14-17, 09:53
I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.
About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.
Anyone got any clues?I've seen the exact same thing. After carefully questioning I have concluded that most new moms in PH don't know what skin creams and proper techniques are to use after birth. These things are apparently much better known in US and Europe to woman, but not in PH.
I have a couple of theories on this. Neither of which I have any evidence for.
1. Relative physical size of baby to mothers causes relatively more stretching in these smaller pinays.
2. Lack of funds to purchase fancy stretch mark removal creams. This assumes the cremes actually work.
I'm talking about the stretch marks 90% of girls seem to have here under the belly button. On some it's just a little loose skin, on others it's a horror show. One would expect it on a mid-30's mum, but I just had a 19 year old leave my condo and hers was terrible. Of course she was very self conscious about it and I did my best to relax her on the issue, but I'm really at a loss to explain why they all have it.
About 6 months ago I was in Easter Europe and had at least two sub-20 year old (mums) who's stomach was a tight as a snare drum.
Anyone got any clues?
CallSign Papa
10-14-17, 16:33
I have a couple of theories on this. Neither of which I have any evidence for.
1. Relative physical size of baby to mothers causes relatively more stretching in these smaller pinays.
2. Lack of funds to purchase fancy stretch mark removal creams. This assumes the cremes actually work.Yeah both of those came to mind, but only the first really holds any water, I'm sure pinays are applying moisturiser (even if it isn't the fancy type). It's just the nature of the stretch marks, that they're always below the belly and that the skin is really wrinkled and loose. I almost never see it on girls of other nationalities.
Member #4698
10-14-17, 19:40
Yeah both of those came to mind, but only the first really holds any water, I'm sure pinays are applying moisturiser (even if it isn't the fancy type). It's just the nature of the stretch marks, that they're always below the belly and that the skin is really wrinkled and loose. I almost never see it on girls of other nationalities.I hate tummy trouble on a girl. It really turns me off. The last girl that I was with that had it was a very sweet little Soi 6 Pattaya girl and before that a girl from a Perimeter Road bar. By the time I realized my 20-year-old Soi 6 girl had the issue it was too late to bail without creating a brouhaha, ha ha, so I stuck with her and tried to focus all my attention away from her belly. Thus somehow, I managed to salvage a decent session with her. This Soi 6 tryst happened a couple of years ago and I have not been back to Soi 6 since.
I have no idea why some young mothers get it and others do not. Diet, overall health, and genes may have something to do with it; but essentially, I have no clue. What I do know, however, is how to mostly avoid girls with this undesirable trait. In my experience it's not a problem in the better (more expensive) Go Go's and bars like Bottoms & Kojax in Makati, Club Ra & Club Asia in AC, or Crazy House, Twister, & Kings Castle 1 in BKK and it's more prevalent of a problem in lesser bars like Rogues, Bourbon Street in Makati, many of the Perimeter Road bars in AC, and as I referenced above, the Soi 6 Pattaya bars.
Obviously, it's always better to be able to see the girls in the raw before barfining them. This is not possible with FL's in pick up bars and clubs, but again in my experience the better looking, classier girls that have the wherewithal to dress fashionably, look the part, and are able to hang out in the better clubs seem not to have this problem down below. I wonder if there is a statistical correlation between girls that wear expensive makeup and clothes and girls that do not have tummy trouble? Could the common factor be money or more specifically the ability to take better care of themselves? I do not know. And of course, there are exceptions to my observations and experiences.
Soapy Smith
10-15-17, 09:08
In my first experiences in the Philippines about a dozen years ago I gradually became aware that some Filipinas did, and some did not, have stretch marks. Childbirth seemed to be the most obvious explanation. But I also began to find that the quality of sex was, on average, better with women who had stretch marks than with women without them. So those without stretch marks had not given birth, and I sometimes found their tight little vaginas just too snug for having an experience that was good for both of us. Some men complain about women whose vaginas are stretched from childbirth. Not me, especially not with Filipinas, whose body size is usually comparatively smaller than Western women.
One explanation is that the more accommodating vagina is the result of childbirth. Another possibility is that women who have borne children just simply relax more easily during sex. So maybe a little of both. One of the best GF experiences I ever had was with a woman I met in LAC. She had had a child or two and was a little chubby. I took her inspite of her chub because she was bubbly, friendly, conversational, and probably worked harder than other women to get me to take her. We showered together, and I just threw all my inhibitions to the wind about her appearance. (She wasn't ugly, she had nice boobs, a nice face, and was a little chubby.) I brought her to a rousing "O" with my tongue. She thanked me profusely. The sex was great. Lots of genuine sounds, serious affectionate effort on her part to please me, and just downright good sex. We just simply moved well together.
Afterwards, during some relaxed "afterglow," she described her situation. She had a couple kids, the father had left her, and so she had to come to Manila a couple times a week to get money for their survival. She said that she often gets wet on the bus ride in from Cavite because she anticipates having sex. She was not getting any sex in her community, probably because Filipino men wanted nothing to do with a woman with kids, and because she was chubby. In fairness to her, she was chubby, but not really fat. I suspect I responded to her friendly approach to me in the bar with words that made her feel safe with me. So by the time we got to my room, she was as eager to have sex as I was. These are conditions for great sex, and in my thinking they outweigh any concerns about stretch marks or tummy fat.
Here's a perverse idea for anybody confronted with your first glimpse of a woman's stretch marks: just think of them as a route map for licking. Start with the most obvious one, and run your tongue slowly from one end of the mark to the other. Then go on to the next stretch mark, or perhaps one on the other side of her torso. When she asks what you're doing, tell her you're licking your way along her stretch marks because they make a great roadmap to her heart (or her puki, or her clit, or whatever comes to mind). Most Filipinas have a great sense of humor, and will probably laugh their asses off. When this happens, get your hand under her ass, roll her over, and start on the stretch marks on her ass. You could also tell her you have a route map or two on your body that you'd like her to attend to.
Mango King
10-15-17, 22:21
I spent about 3 weeks in Manila and Cebu. I started working on some long term prospects for this trip about 3 weeks out using FC. As usual FC is almost all GG looking for serious. About 10 days before leaving for Manila I fired up PL and used 2 different accounts / profiles both paid. Each account had a different "marketing strategy". The first was targeted at girls looking for a BF / serious relationship. The other profile was strictly trolling for one night stand girls. I did this so I could mix my schedule with both types of girls and have a better idea of what to expect from a girl when I chatted her. This worked pretty well, though there was some definite cross-overs between the accounts. I had some P4P girls chat me on my "serious" account and GG girls on my one night stand account. Mostly it worked though.
I also used Tinder in Manila a few times. Mainly for experimenting. As reported elsewhere there are many LBs, but some definite stunners. I had one tinder girl offer P4P but was asking 4 K for massage and "GFE" which was just kissing and BJ. When I asked for FS she said no, so I didn't follow-up. She did send a naked pick and she was very hot! I chatted another girl from tinder who seemed great but when I popped the question asking if she was LB I got no response. I did hit the jackpot on 1 girl from Tinder in Cebu. She was one of my 2 top girls from this trip and a definite repeater.
Day 1.
Arrived Manila at 11 pm. A few days prior to arrival I contacted Fe based on a fellow ISG member recommendation. Fe shows up at midnight and is just as her pictures show. 5 ft 4 in and very slim. No boobs (flat as an iron), but great ass and very cute.
I had pre-negotiated overnight, multiple rounds, etc for 5 k. More than usual but given the late night arrangements I wanted to insure she delivered. We had one pretty good, but not best ever round and then she takes a shower and puts her clothes on. I re-iterate our agreement and she says she thought it was just for once. She agrees to one more round and then she leaves. I gave her 4 k. Still too much. Would not repeat.
Day 2.
Have a Good Girl (GG) date lined up for 7 pm. We meet and have dinner, but she can't stay. Back to PL and find An (P4 P). She comes over about 1. 5 HR later. Slim, A+ boobs, modest face. Great body. Super friendly, funny, and knows how to please. Really enjoys it. Multiple rounds. She stays overnight. 4 k gift.
Day 3.
Met a GG on PL about 2 weeks prior named are. 33 yo, 4 ft11 in, nice be boobs with giant nipples. A few more pounds than I normally like but not fat. This girl has not had sex in 4 years. She's only slept with 2 Filipino's and both had no idea or desire to please a woman. She was super horny. Really wanted to try all different positions. Loved "learning' things like how to give a proper BJ. She got really really good at it!
Spent a week with are and had some amazing time in bed. She had the sexiest voice I've ever heard too. Completely drained me!
Day 10.
Meet up with another GG I had been chatting on / off with for 1+ year. Never met in person. Finally meet her after work at Mall of Asia. She only has 1 HR so we just talk. Try to convince her to come back to my condo but she has no time due to her son.
After she leaves back on PL, Tinder, and go through my previous contacts. Few choices but finally decided on Camille from PL. Pre-negociate 3 k for 4 HR (she can't overnight) and multiple rounds. She shows up and she's definitely older than her pics. Maybe 28. Blond, 5 ft3 in, slim but not bones. Very shy. Takes a bit of work to get her in bed, but once there she enjoys a very solid, but quiet round. She had a full Bush which was a bit of a turnoff, but then again I hadn't see such a forest in years so it was cool to try one again. She leaves after 1 round claiming I was the first foreigner and my equipment was too large. Yeah right. Would not repeat.
Day 11.
An from earlier in the trip had told me she does lesbian with a friend. I ask for pics and her friend looks great. I'm promised a full lesbian threesome. Both girls show up and her friend is indeed very cute and sexy. Cherry is 4 ft11 in, A boobs, great ass, some small belly, and a pretty face. Once in bed it's apparent they have only done "lesbian" a few times and are very shy about it. Finally An goes down on Cherry for a few minutes and then it's all about me. We did multiple rounds in lots of positions and it was actually really really good despite the lack of lesbian action. The girls are both fun and enjoyed themselves. Best threesome I've had in a while. Would definitely repeat.
Day 12.
Had a date arranged with a GG from PL for 7 pm. She flaked. Too bad because she was 25 and a real stunner. Messages me at 7:30 pm saying she just woke up and it's too late to come over now. Fortunately I had learned my lesson from earlier flakes and had a backup. Had arranged a 10 pm meet with a 22 yo college girl named Josie from PL who "really really need money for school". Messaged her to come early and she was at my condo by 8:45 pm. She was even better than her pics. About 5 ft2 in, not an ounce of fat. Flat stomach, beautiful be sized boobs, and a pretty face. After a few drinks she jumps me and an epic night begins. She is very enthusiastic. Round one is great. DATY her until she cums, a brief rest and then I hope on for a really tight mish session that I only last a few minutes for. After that she gets sleepy. We go 2 more rounds through the night. For some reason she won't let me touch her pussy again. She is tired and horny. She wants to fuck before she gets wet which I find unpleasant. I like a woman not like the saharra desert in a drought. So it was interesting combination of her being horny but not very wet. Sorta like me sometimes when I'm "empty" and have trouble getting hard even though I'm horny.
Would definitely see her again if I thought she wasn't going to be tired. Gave her 4 k for overnight.
Day 13.
Had afternoon session booked with 2 college girls offering non-lesbian threesome. Both girls where slim and 21 yo. Negociated 8 k total with them. I canceled though due to being too tired. What a shame!
Continued in the Cebu forum.
Member #4698
10-15-17, 22:32
Here's a perverse idea for anybody confronted with your first glimpse of a woman's stretch marks: just think of them as a route map for licking. Start with the most obvious one, and run your tongue slowly from one end of the mark to the other. Then go on to the next stretch mark, or perhaps one on the other side of her torso. When she asks what you're doing, tell her you're licking your way along her stretch marks because they make a great roadmap to her heart (or her puki, or her clit, or whatever comes to mind). I think not, but thanks for the suggestion. I found your post interesting and humorous. While I share the pleasure of going down on girls that I am attracted to, I will continue to bypass your circuitous route on the tummy troubled ones. 555. Stay thirsty Soapy Smith and Rock On!
Member #4643
10-16-17, 04:09
This was very inventive. I have thought of doing something like this, but I am too cheap to pay for an account!
One question that has always intrigued me: how often did your pros and semi pros have profiles that said that they were "looking for serious", "not looking for a rich man" or " not here for fun", etc. I personally pay no attention to these disclaimers in arranging dates in Manila, but I have never actually figured out whether the stated profiles have any relationship to reality. I suspect you have a very good feel for this now.
A related question is that when you went out with a "GG", how often did you end up having sex on the first date? Do these girls need to feel that you are potentially marriage material (or at least long term boyfriend material) before giving you access to their pants?
It would be great to have a more scientific approach to the PL or DIA profile. I have never tried FC, but I am interested in knowing if someone like me (who is never there more than 3 days at a time) should give FC a try.
Thanks, F.
I spent about 3 weeks in Manila and Cebu. I started working on some long term prospects for this trip about 3 weeks out using FC. As usual FC is almost all GG looking for serious. About 10 days before leaving for Manila I fired up PL and used 2 different accounts / profiles both paid. Each account had a different "marketing strategy". The first was targeted at girls looking for a BF / serious relationship. The other profile was strictly trolling for one night stand girls. I did this so I could mix my schedule with both types of girls and have a better idea of what to expect from a girl when I chatted her. This worked pretty well, though there was some definite cross-overs between the accounts. I had some P4P girls chat me on my "serious" account and GG girls on my one night stand account. Mostly it worked though.
Soapy Smith
10-16-17, 05:43
I think not, but thanks for the suggestion. I found your post interesting and humorous. While I share the pleasure of going down on girls that I am attracted to, I will continue to bypass your circuitous route on the tummy troubled ones. 555. Stay thirsty Soapy Smith and Rock On!Thanks Natty, and don't let any Huron Indians sneak up on you.
AmericanThief
10-17-17, 02:09
Going to Ortigas in Pasig to play poker at Metro for a couple of weeks during Christmas. I've been to Makati twice before around burgos, but as I understand Ortigas is on the affluent side and girls there have their own money. I know Entertainment Complex and Burgos is about an hour by taxi, so what do you suggest for girls in that area? I want to avoid online and apps as they just spin my wheels for nothing.
Mango King
10-18-17, 01:19
The pros typically have little or no description of what they want. The term "open minded" typically is used by pros to indicate they are pros but also by GG to indicate they want / expect a gift. However 2 of my GG had empty profiles and refused gifts so it's by no means consistent.
In general profiles which say "serious" are the GG. About 50% of the GG I dated in Manila and Cebu jumped in bed the first date. The rest required 2 dates, though there were 2 first dates with different GG that I had no interest in bedding and never had a 2nd date.
It was not easy trying to guess in advance which girls where first date in bed vs second date in bed. Scheduling and guessing when to expect a girl in bed was very time consuming, but after the first time it was awesome being able to pick and choose which hottie to come over. So lots of upfront work but easy after that.
This was very inventive. I have thought of doing something like this, but I am too cheap to pay for an account!
One question that has always intrigued me: how often did your pros and semi pros have profiles that said that they were "looking for serious", "not looking for a rich man" or " not here for fun", etc. I personally pay no attention to these disclaimers in arranging dates in Manila, but I have never actually figured out whether the stated profiles have any relationship to reality. I suspect you have a very good feel for this now.
A related question is that when you went out with a "GG", how often did you end up having sex on the first date? Do these girls need to feel that you are potentially marriage material (or at least long term boyfriend material) before giving you access to their pants?
It would be great to have a more scientific approach to the PL or DIA profile. I have never tried FC, but I am interested in knowing if someone like me (who is never there more than 3 days at a time) should give FC a try.
Thanks, F.
Gentleman Travel
10-25-17, 04:30
I will be coming to the Philippines for the first time in one month, mostly to do a project in a small city in north Luzon, but will have a couple of days in Manila at the beginning and end of my contract.
I have a bunch of leads on non-pros from Filipino Cupid and have some questions about how to handle that, but first I want to figure out where to stay in Manila to maximize my limited time there.
I will be arrive late at night and hope I have enough energy (after a very long flight) to experience a bit of the nightlife and have a quick BJ somewhere. I saw someone mention Flight 168, which sounds like it might fill the bill.
But I gather there are not actual BJ bars like there are in Bangkok?
I am NOT looking to take a pro back to my hotel that night, I don't think I will have the energy. Just want a quick blow & go. Any advice other than Flight 168? I am also interested in seeing the seedy side of Manila nightlife. Should I go to P Burgos Street?
I am thinking of staying in Makita or down by the bay (like Ermita). Any suggestions?
Day Two I hope to connect with one of my FC contacts and go for more of a GFE. I guess a nice lunch and some shopping then back to my hotel for a swim. Will the girls be impressed / receptive to a nice hotel? Or does that set me up as an easy mark? In some places "normal girls" are really excited to experience a nice hotel and nice meals, and it really makes it a fun experience for them. Is this a good strategy for FC girls in Manila?
Then I go up-country for two weeks but have a few days at the end back in or near Manila. I was thinking of going to a beach resort somewhere within an hour or so of Manila. Any suggestions?
And of course I would offer for my new Manila GF to join me there. In fact, my Day Two date (s) could essentially be an interview process for which lucky girl gets to join me at a beach resort later.
Any comments / suggestions on this strategy?
BTW I am over 50 looking to hook up with 25 year old girls.
Thanks for any advice.
GT.
Day Two I hope to connect with one of my FC contacts and go for more of a GFE.I don't have any experience in Manila but I do in other places. These regular girls you're chatting on FC, if you expect to simply meet up with them, you might be in for a shock. Expect to text more than you ever imagined possible. Expect to play hide and go seek when you're trying to meet them. Expect them to say "where are you" 10 times when you're the one that's been waiting for them. All kinds of stuff you wouldn't imagine. Don't be surprised if she doesn't have load for her phone. And don't send more than 30 peso because she can get 1 day unli for that much, that comes with a little bit of data if she has a real phone. When you're setting up the meeting, don't ever ask them where they want to meet, you choose the place. And choose a place where you want to be anyway. If you told her to meet you at the coffee shop, and she text you and says "where are you, I'm upstairs come here", say no. You come here please now. And asked them 12 times please don't be late. If you want to meet them at noon, you should tell her that means she needs to leave her place at 9 or 10 AM. That means she has to eat, bath, and start preparing at 5 or 6 AM. Things like that. Kindly tell her you don't want to wait. And you don't want to play games looking for her. Because you only have small time and you don't want to be disappointed. If she has experience with foreigners already, then it might not be too hard. But if you're the first one. Haha. Good luck brother.
Separately, if you're not aware, there are phone promos you can register to. So choose either Smart or Globe when you buy your sim. Theyre about the same in terms of price and quality but the best one is the one that's most widely used in your area. Because sometimes the girls have a problem cross netwotk texting. Others can advise about Manila. But if your destination is Cagayan, ask one of those girls which network is most used there. That's probably the best one to stick with if your phone only has one sim, like an iPhone. If you don't care about money, just load 1000 pesos and start calling and texting. Otherwise you can Google "Smart or Globe promos". Hopefully your phone has voice recognition so you can dictate your messages.
All that has been written about a lot but worth repeating, I guess. Hope some of it helps.
I will be coming to the Philippines for the first time in one month, mostly to do a project in a small city in north Luzon, but will have a couple of days in Manila at the beginning and end of my contract.
I have a bunch of leads on non-pros from Filipino Cupid and have some questions about how to handle that, but first I want to figure out where to stay in Manila to maximize my limited time there.
I will be arrive late at night and hope I have enough energy (after a very long flight) to experience a bit of the nightlife and have a quick BJ somewhere. I saw someone mention Flight 168, which sounds like it might fill the bill.
But I gather there are not actual BJ bars like there are in Bangkok?
I am NOT looking to take a pro back to my hotel that night, I don't think I will have the energy. Just want a quick blow & go. Any advice other than Flight 168? I am also interested in seeing the seedy side of Manila nightlife. Should I go to P Burgos Street?
I am thinking of staying in Makita or down by the bay (like Ermita). Any suggestions?
Day Two I hope to connect with one of my FC contacts and go for more of a GFE. I guess a nice lunch and some shopping then back to my hotel for a swim. Will the girls be impressed / receptive to a nice hotel? Or does that set me up as an easy mark? In some places "normal girls" are really excited to experience a nice hotel and nice meals, and it really makes it a fun experience for them. Is this a good strategy for FC girls in Manila?
Then I go up-country for two weeks but have a few days at the end back in or near Manila. I was thinking of going to a beach resort somewhere within an hour or so of Manila. Any suggestions?
And of course I would offer for my new Manila GF to join me there. In fact, my Day Two date (s) could essentially be an interview process for which lucky girl gets to join me at a beach resort later.
Any comments / suggestions on this strategy?
BTW I am over 50 looking to hook up with 25 year old girls.
Thanks for any advice.
GT.Filipino Cupid.
Have a lot of contacts on standby. Ask the girls that list "Manila" as their location if they are in Manila. You'd be surprised how many are in Province and you'll be amazed at the number girls that suddenly go "no-comm" once you get in country. Also, you may find their English proficiency is much worse in real life as a lot have someone do the responses for them on the dating site. Don't have your heart set on meeting a particular girl and you won't be disappointed. You can also search DateInAsia but don't make contact with them until 2-3 days prior (short attention spans and there is always a guy younger and more handsome competing with you, even if he isn't planning to visit), and beware of trans on both sites (unless that is your thing).
As for the beach, it is hard to travel between any two points in Manila in an hour and you don't want to swim in the vicinity of the Bay. I haven't been to Subic Bay since the Navy base was open, but that beach has bus service from Manila, I believe, although it wouldn't be worth a day trip. You could hire a taxi as well. I'm not sure how bad the water quality is. It isn't easy to grab and go with a normal girl with short notice since they have babies to take care of, or school, or jobs, or family commitments.
The bars you go to will probably be determined by your hotel location. Ermita, Pasay, along the Bay. EDSA Entertainment will be easiest. Ortigas, Makati. Go to P Burgos Street.
Have fun and report back!
Altered Ego
10-25-17, 18:03
Hi guys,
Any good places to play pool (or billiards as it's known in the Philippines) in Manila or Makati these days? Ideally with more than one table, where you can play against the waitresses (or hostesses) if you are travelling solo, or with a lively atmosphere if you already have a girl with you?
Preferably somewhere relatively near either LA Cafe or Burgos, but if there's a good place somewhere else and it's worth travelling to then that would be useful to know as well. If the waitresses / hostesses are good looking, that would be a bonus!
On previous trips I have played pool in Rogues, LA Cafe, Filling Station, G-Point, Hard Rock Cafe, Heckle and Jeckle, Handlebar, Duck Inn and Howzat. These places are mostly OK, but some of them can get busy.
I guess I've been spoiled by going to Pattaya, where there are pool tables everywhere, and you hardly ever need to wait to get a game!
By the way, I appreciate there is a separate thread for Makati, but I thought I would just post my question once, to save duplication!
I haven't been to Subic Bay since the Navy base was open, but that beach has bus service from Manila, I believe, although it wouldn't be worth a day trip. You could hire a taxi as well. I'm not sure how bad the water quality is. It isn't easy to grab and go with a normal girl with short notice since they have babies to take care of, or school, or jobs, or family commitments. Good advice there from SP.
I wouldn't swim in Subic Bay. And it's not exactly a spectacular beach anyway. For a place with 7000+ islands, the Philippines isn't exactly blessed with sand beaches. It's mostly rocky and dead coral. And anywhere around cities or river mouths is too polluted. ID forget about the beach with that short amount of time.
About just grabbing a "normal girl" and taking off with her, SP makes good points too. If she's done that with other foreigners, no prob. But to just pluck an experienced one and take off with her, you'll have to be pretty slick.
I'm not trying to discourage GT. Just want him to go in mentally prepared so he don't go buang.
BrainDrain
10-26-17, 05:55
Day Two I hope to connect with one of my FC contacts and go for more of a GFE. I guess a nice lunch and some shopping then back to my hotel for a swim. Will the girls be impressed / receptive to a nice hotel? Or does that set me up as an easy mark? In some places "normal girls" are really excited to experience a nice hotel and nice meals, and it really makes it a fun experience for them. Is this a good strategy for FC girls in Manila?How about Day 2 you plan to meet 4-5 of your FC potentials. Of the ones that turn up you can choose your followup GF.
With such a short stay you are going to struggle to capture the quality girls.
BD.
But I gather there are not actual BJ bars like there are in Bangkok?Correct.
You say you are going to North Luzon. PM me, I may be able to help you.
Any good places to play pool (or billiards as it's known in the Philippines) in Manila or Makati these days? Ideally with more than one table, where you can play against the waitresses (or hostesses) if you are travelling solo, or with a lively atmosphere if you already have a girl with you?
Preferably somewhere relatively near either LA Cafe or Burgos, but if there's a good place somewhere else and it's worth travelling to then that would be useful to know as well. If the waitresses / hostesses are good looking, that would be a bonus!Star of Manila is near to LA Cafe:
1331-1332 MH Del Pillar Street.
Soapy Smith
10-27-17, 06:48
I was thinking of going to a beach resort somewhere within an hour or so of Manila. Any suggestions? GT.
I know this does not relate directly to Manila, but I put it here as a response to GT's questions--and because it's really about sidetrips from Manila.
GT, you've gotten lots of good advice on most aspects of your plan. You seem to have midas' touch; many first time visitors who ask questions get the proverbial RTFF. You, on the other hand, have people falling all over themselves to help you. Perhaps you have a wonderful reputation that precedes you from one of the other forums. I will join the helpful procession.
Regarding resorts, others advised correctly that beaches at Subic Bay are bad news. Especially at any of the beach areas near where the Olongapo River dumps its sewer-laden discharge into Subic Bay, the water is foul. There may be one area on the back side of Subic Bay that is different. I was there about five years ago and found nothing unpleasant about the water, nor did I get any rashes or illness after swimming. I am referring to Camayan Beach Resort. The resort is next door to something called Ocean Adventure, a SeaWorld sort of place on a smaller scale, complete with trained dolphins and killer whales cavorting in the water with trainers. Price of admission is reasonable for what you get.
The resort has a small pool but also a roped off swimming area in the bay with a diving platform anchored off shore. There is a small but decent restaurant and hotel rooms and cabins, although I was there on a day visit and did not stay overnight. Checking the place on Google Earth I found a number of photos that are accurare representations of what I experienced. I collected some of these photos into a file, but ISG wouldn't let me upload because of file size.
The downside is that the drive to Olongapo is upwards of three hours, and then you need to travel a fair distance through the Subic Freezone around to the back side of Subic Bay to get to the resort.
http://www.camayanbeachresort.ph/
I have also heard Filipinos talk about some resorts along the coast of Cavite Province, approximately an hour south of Manila. Because they are well south of Manila Bay they are not directly diluged by the Pasig River and other Manila area polluted rivers and estuaries. But it is generally difficult to get totally away from pollution anywhere near inhabitated areas of the Philippines.
I did some exploration with Google Earth in areas along the Cavite coast and discovered a place called Tanza Oasis Resort. It was larger and more conspicuous than some of the others. Interestingly, the website has numerous photos of an attractive swimming pool, a nice hotel and restaurant, but no actual photos of the beach. I was able to pluck some photos from Google Earth, and it may be worth your checking it out as well. Just type in Tanza Oasis Resort Cavite and Google Earth wil take you there directly. Likewise with Camayan Beach Resort. Then check out the photos people have uploaded.
What is conspicuous from the beach area is several rows of picnic shelters set back from the beach, all done up wilth fake Nipa grass roofs. I have visited places like this elsewhere and found that they are usually rented by the day to groups that travel in from short distances away. An extended family or group of neighbors rent a jeepney for the day and load it up with pots of pre-cooked food, swimming gear, water, and all the people. They pay a fee to the resort that covers both the shelter and swimming privileges for the day.
Disclaimer: I have never been to Tanza Oasis Resort, so I have surmised from photos that there is an implied separation between the hotel resort area and a less attractive beach area with picnic shelters. In this way the resort can separate the paying guests of the hotel resort from the Filipino masa. Hotel patrons presumably have access to the beach, but you'd need to get a close-up look to see if you'd want to swim there. If any of the local expats have experience with Tanza Oasis, please chime in here.
http://www.tanzaoasis.com/
GT, after all the help you have received, please do register some field reports, both from your adventures in Northern Luzon and from whatever beach adventure you undertake.
Engine Driver
10-28-17, 08:04
I'm traveling to Manila for the first time. I am Japanese-Hawaiian but I often pass for a Filipino. Looking like a local, would this put a damper on my fun with the women? I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians.In Manila, the only thing that matters is the colour of your notes. Blue to be precise. And lots of them. FFS, they are prostitutes and their job is to suck dick for money.
I'm traveling to Manila for the first time. I am Japanese-Hawaiian but I often pass for a Filipino. Looking like a local, would this put a damper on my fun with the women? I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians."I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians".
Your info is out of date, viz:
Japanese are the number one preferred customer for the girls.
Koreans are now in great numbers Phils, and almost equally popular with the local ladies.
Caucasians, have been relegated down the feeding chain.
If you have Japanese eyes, you will be popular. If not, wear a rising sun t. Shirt, LOL.
If it was me, I'd try and dress like a tourist / Japanese and spread the word "I am Japanese, from Hawaii".
Looking like a Filipino will not help you, cause the local lads know the prices etc well. Girls are looking for foreigners / tourists in the order listed above, cause they are willing to spend more. Why no Private Message facility?
I'm traveling to Manila for the first time. I am Japanese-Hawaiian but I often pass for a Filipino. Looking like a local, would this put a damper on my fun with the women? I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians.The only issues that I know of that any of the girls would have if they thought you was a local person.
1. That you may be related or know of her relatives. They want to keep this part of their lives a secret.
2. That you don't cheap Charlie her.
3. That you might pass harsh judgement on them.
CallSign Papa
10-28-17, 14:29
they are prostitutes and their job is to suck dick for money.Correction: Their job is to suck MY dick for money.
Gentleman Travel
10-28-17, 15:29
I know this does not relate directly to Manila, but I put it here as a response to GT's questions--and because it's really about sidetrips from Manila.
GT, you've gotten lots of good advice on most aspects of your plan. You seem to have midas' touch; many first time visitors who ask questions get the proverbial RTFF. You, on the other hand, have people falling all over themselves to help you. Perhaps you have a wonderful reputation that precedes you from one of the other forums. I will join the helpful procession.Thanks Soapy, and thanks to everyone else for their generous advice. I don't think regulars on a Forum expect newbies to have read everything, but to at least have made an effort and have a clue about what to do. I try to do that and seek expert feedback, which I find most mongers are ready to do. So I guess that's why everyone's being so helpful. And yes, check my record elsewhere and you will see I do normally file useful field reports.
Salty Pete, your advice is the hardest for me to internalize, although I know it's true. I tend to over-organize and assume I have Girl A slotted in at lunch, and Girl be for dinner, and start to worry about how I am going to ditch A in time to mate with be, when what I really need to do is have Girls A, be and see lined up for lunch and hope one of them shows up.
The more I look at it, the more I think my idea of taking a two day beach holiday near Manila is just not going to work out. Soapy, I had seen Tanza Oasis but, like you, wondered why they don't show you the beach. And anything I have seen so far is more or less a 3 hour jaunt from Manila, which will be hard for me to manage in my short time frame. So I may just book a nice hotel in Manila with a pool and make a mini-holiday there. At least that way I can continue to work a roster of girls if I don't find a gem right away.
Thanks everyone,
GT.
The more I look at it, the more I think my idea of taking a two day beach holiday near Manila is just not going to work out. Soapy, I had seen Tanza Oasis but, like you, wondered why they don't show you the beach. And anything I have seen so far is more or less a 3 hour jaunt from Manila, which will be hard for me to manage in my short time frame. So I may just book a nice hotel in Manila with a pool and make a mini-holiday there. At least that way I can continue to work a roster of girls if I don't find a gem right away.
Thanks everyone,
GT.That is what I did in February. I planned to take a girl to Boracay but it was Chinese New Year's and the flights were booked; the only available hotels were under $40 and above $500/ night. So I got a room in Sofitel Philippine Plaza for 3 nights and brought my own girl. The hotel was very elegant and had a beautiful campus, but very expensive and I thought the room was sub-par. Breakfast buffet was quite expensive. My girl told me that "she heard" the Shangri-La resorts in Manila were a better deal and had nicer rooms. You may want to look there, even if they are not on the water. (I did save a lot of money on airfare).
Gentleman Travel
10-28-17, 16:22
Day 13.
Had afternoon session booked with 2 college girls offering non-lesbian threesome. Both girls where slim and 21 yo. Negociated 8 k total with them. I canceled though due to being too tired. What a shame!How easy or difficult is it to get two girl or soft lesbi fun going with Filipina girls? In some cultures (Eastern Europe, for example) it is pretty easy, if you are paying, and not that hard sometimes even if you are not.
But I would have assumed that Philippines is a more conservative culture and girls might be not welcome the idea of sharing their man with another girl, and especially sharing another girl.
I'd like to find a "girlfriend" to stay with me a couple of days, but it would be icing on the cake if we could spice that up by having one of her girlfriends visit one night. But will I put a non-pro girl off if I suggest that?
GT.
Wicked Roger
10-28-17, 16:43
How easy or difficult is it to get two girl or soft lesbi fun going with Filipina girls? In some cultures (Eastern Europe, for example) it is pretty easy, if you are paying, and not that hard sometimes even if you are not.
But I would have assumed that Philippines is a more conservative culture and girls might be not welcome the idea of sharing their man with another girl, and especially sharing another girl.
I'd like to find a "girlfriend" to stay with me a couple of days, but it would be icing on the cake if we could spice that up by having one of her girlfriends visit one night. But will I put a non-pro girl off if I suggest that?
GT.In my case very easy and if you know the girl well and she likes you then ask her if she any friends who are lesbian and if she likes that style of play. Get the reaction and play it from there. I have had lesbian sisters and lesbian mom / daughter but then I had time on my hands and was patient. Others don't have the time but my advice regardless is ask if she like the idea, show a soft lesbian video clip and gauge from there. Some I know and see are horrified at lesbian action, some intrigues (so I have girls I know to deviriginise them. A yummy treat for everyone) and some say OK. Depends on the reaction so watch the body language etc.
Gentleman Travel
10-28-17, 16:56
I'm back from a long Philippines trip and just getting caught up with my reports. I had a long list of GF types to see from DIA and Pinalove so didn't expect to spend any time in bars. I arrived late at night at my room at the Rothman Hotel in Ermita because it was convenient for a meeting the next day. It has been 5 years since I was in Ermita last. Unable to sleep, I decided to wander around the old haunts. I had a beer at G-Point to check in the scene. There was some cute FLers there that might have appealed to me on a night that I was less jet-lagged. I made the short walk to LA Cafe to have another beer and planned to head on to bed after. I wasn't expecting much. Within 5 minutes, I was approached by a FL showing off a jaw-dropping body in hot pants, heels, and a tight t-shirt. (See my post in the pic forum.) She seemed sweet and friendly to boot. I knew I had struck gold here and didn't even think twice. This one had one of the most flawless bodies of any woman I have been with. 5 minutes later we were on the way back to Rothmans. She held my hand and hugged me the entire way. I had forgotten how sweet these Filipino FLers can be and was thanking my lucky stars to be back in the promised land. The next two hours was a blur of deep kissing and mattress-busting activities until we both were spent. I slept like a rock all night. She gave me her contact info, but I never had time to see her again. I got so busy with the GF types and work after that, I never had a free night.So Wazoo, what's the damage for a girl like Miss Hot Pants?
I like the sounds of LA Cafe, compared with other pick up bars. I hate the bar fine thing, and I like freelancers.
I see myself being in exactly the same situation when I arrive in Manila, late at night, jet-lagged and unsure if I have the energy for a full night of fun. Ideally I would like to find a place for a quick BJ on the premises. But your night of fun sounds better!
WestCoast1
10-28-17, 17:07
So Wazoo, what's the damage for a girl like Miss Hot Pants?
I like the sounds of LA Cafe, compared with other pick up bars. I hate the bar fine thing, and I like freelancers.
I see myself being in exactly the same situation when I arrive in Manila, late at night, jet-lagged and unsure if I have the energy for a full night of fun. Ideally I would like to find a place for a quick BJ on the premises. But your night of fun sounds better!I think there is an inexpensive hotel either next door, or a few doors down, from LAC.
Member #4698
10-28-17, 17:13
I like the sounds of LA Cafe, compared with other pick up bars. I hate the bar fine thing, and I like freelancers.Girl quality in LAC sucks if that matters to you. Don't get me wrong, if you are in the neighborhood it is always worth checking out. I enjoy the atmosphere and the circus circus. You might find a rare diamond in the rough and if you are don't care much about looks, there are plenty of very friendly FL's hanging out there. The call is up to you.
Talking about FL's and SW's, I have had much better luck with Burgos Street "massage girls". I fondly recall my last one, a cute as she could be, barely 18 year old. Great girl / good times. I have never seen a girl like her in LAC.
And lastly this is a "when in Rome" suggestion: don't resist it, unless you can't afford it. A much better selection of girls, quality wise, ARE found in Burgos & EDSA Bars. If you want the sexy girls you will have you put up with the barfine at least until you get to know the girls. Then they will come straight to you bypassing the barfine.
I'm traveling to Manila for the first time. I am Japanese-Hawaiian but I often pass for a Filipino. Looking like a local, would this put a damper on my fun with the women? I heard that many Filipinos (especially those in the P4P industry) heavily prefer Caucasians.For P4 P it should not matter. The girls have seen and done everything with people from all over the world. Only question is money.
On the other hand if looking to date normal girls it may work to your advantage. Being with a Philippino looking person they may avoid being perceived as P4 P. Once again money is the king. If they think you are cheap they may shy away from you.
Being with a Caucasian used to be a big ego booster for the girl. Not anymore. Just my 2 cents.
Hey guys,
My report is on Club Urbanite in Pasay. It has two floors. Supposedly very new, maybe 2 weeks. The mamasan and papasan tried to hustle us every chance they got so YMMV.
First floor:
- empty on a Friday night at 11:30 PM.
- there is a stage that is sandwiched by two rows of seats and tables.
- 40 girls will line up.
- girls are actually very cute. Many had the pale skin Eastern Asian look. All dressed like club goers Vegas, all wore black. But there were no tall, leggy model types.
- 6,000 bar fine for 2 hours.
- 350 for drinks.
- Papasan wanted a 1,000 tip LOL.
- it is an open area and the papasan told me anyone can request music and sing. I didn't stick around the first floor long enough to see if this is true.
Second floor:
- maybe 2-3 customers that I saw.
- entrance fee 1,500.
- this floor had a live band, booths and a few karaoke rooms.
- another set of 40 girls will line up. Similar quality maybe slightly better girls compared to downstairs.
- 4,000 bar fine for 2 hours.
- I think booths are free as long as you pay the entrance fee and bar fine.
- 2,500 per person for 2 hours of karaoke room with unlimited drinks.
- the unlimited drinks consisted of two 750 ML bottles with broken seals LOL. One was soju and the other was some whiskey I forgot. No chasers other than water. Girls with you can order free drinks.
- free peanuts.
- the karaoke room is pretty small. It can barely fit 4 people. Also someone from management just had to come in every 10 minutes to talk about nothing. It was so annoying.
Last but not least, an extra 20% if you use credit card LOL. I'm sure I got hustled at every step of the way. They had a drink menu, but no menu for service options. They probably just made up prices on the fly. However I really liked the interior, was beautiful. Seems like they spent a lot of money on it. Looked like a fancy club, but with much brighter lighting. I'm sure the girls are willing to spend some more time with the right guy.
Hey guys,
My report is on Club Urbanite in Pasay. It has two floors. Supposedly very new, maybe 2 weeks. The mamasan and papasan tried to hustle us every chance they got so YMMV.
First floor:
- empty on a Friday night at 11:30 PM.
- there is a stage that is sandwiched by two rows of seats and tables.
- 40 girls will line up.
- girls are actually very cute. Many had the pale skin Eastern Asian look. All dressed like club goers Vegas, all wore black. But there were no tall, leggy model types.
- 6,000 bar fine for 2 hours.
- 350 for drinks.
- Papasan wanted a 1,000 tip LOL.
- it is an open area and the papasan told me anyone can request music and sing. I didn't stick around the first floor long enough to see if this is true.
Second floor:
- maybe 2-3 customers that I saw.
- entrance fee 1,500.
- this floor had a live band, booths and a few karaoke rooms.
- another set of 40 girls will line up. Similar quality maybe slightly better girls compared to downstairs.
- 4,000 bar fine for 2 hours.
- I think booths are free as long as you pay the entrance fee and bar fine.
- 2,500 per person for 2 hours of karaoke room with unlimited drinks.
- the unlimited drinks consisted of two 750 ML bottles with broken seals LOL. One was soju and the other was some whiskey I forgot. No chasers other than water. Girls with you can order free drinks.
- free peanuts.
- the karaoke room is pretty small. It can barely fit 4 people. Also someone from management just had to come in every 10 minutes to talk about nothing. It was so annoying.
Last but not least, an extra 20% if you use credit card LOL. I'm sure I got hustled at every step of the way. They had a drink menu, but no menu for service options. They probably just made up prices on the fly. However I really liked the interior, was beautiful. Seems like they spent a lot of money on it. Looked like a fancy club, but with much brighter lighting. I'm sure the girls are willing to spend some more time with the right guy.I was there in August, they had just opened up downstairs but not upstairs; I was the only customer. I found it to be a rip-off as well. The location is right next door to EDSA Entertainment. I agree, the interior is top-notch. The girls were dressed better than their EDSA sisters but as most of us know, a dress can obscure more than a bikini can. Both the Mamasan and Papasan were very much in my face and expected tips and drinks; they were very pushy with girls even though I told them that I wanted to choose one myself. 3 minutes later, they threw girl in my lap and told me to buy her a drink. I classified this as a Predator place in my mind, where I was the prey. That doesn't suit me at all, I think of myself as the predator and I like to be in control. I'm not sure how these places remain open, but I imagine they are great for money laundering.
By the way, if karaoke is your thing and you already have a girl, there is a Family karaoke place across EDSA that is MUCH cheaper and more private.
Dracula Lover
11-03-17, 17:44
Hi guys,
I want a good looking girls I have tried LAC but the quality bad.
Any suggestion.
Is dating apps good?
Please help me.
Wicked Roger
11-04-17, 08:27
Hi guys,
I want a good looking girls I have tried LAC but the quality bad.
Any suggestion.
Is dating apps good?
Please help me.Plenty of pretty girls if you look and / or RTFF.
Dating app work also.
Good luck and let us know how you get on and FR as great see a newbie perspective.
Is dating apps good?
Please help me.As a first timer I will be gentle with you and not poke scorn at your inability to look into this forum further.
If you had scrolled further you would have a seen a "Chat rooms and Pen Pals" thread.
Check it out for every dating app review under the sun.
Member #4566
11-04-17, 14:50
As a first timer I will be gentle with you and not poke scorn at your inability to look into this forum further.
If you had scrolled further you would have a seen a "Chat rooms and Pen Pals" thread.
Check it out for every dating app review under the sun.A decorous response. Between the 2 of us we can take credit for improving the civility of the forum. Atta boy.
Zzyzx. Went there at midnight and about 2/3 full, no entrance fee. As you enter all the FLs will be to the close right. There will be about 15 of them and maybe a few more upstairs. They are better looking than the ones in LAC. I looked around the entire club and there were a couple of 8's /9's. Not sure if they were just regular girls or not so I had to find out. Went to a table with two girls who had some beers and soju bottle. They kept looking at their phones. I was confused, they didn't seem interested to talk so maybe they are just normal girls. Went to another table and this time one girl seemed interested. But then her entire group went to a table with Koreans. Alright at this point I am getting annoyed.
Outside I see a bunch of ladyboys who are beautiful and really put 90% of females to shame, but I am scared of penises. They told me they are not allowed inside but I have no idea if this is actually enforced.
Exklusiv. Its one minute away so I walked. It has only maybe 20 people total. Maybe 10 girls sitting on tables by themselves on their phones. Entrance fee is 200 pesos. I walk back to zzyzx.
At zzyzx I decide to just get a FL. She was so bad. Had tons of stretch marks. I went limp. She wanted 3 k blah blah blah I have baby blah blah. At this point I tell her to fuck off and give her the money.
In terms of the quality of the club, its decent. Beers are I think 90 pesos, a shot of hard liquor I think 250. Interior is not that modern or classy, kind of old. They play some strange music sometimes. If you want to go clubbing with friends I would just go to Makati.
What a shameful night.
I put this message in the Angeles thread but it should get a run in the Manila one too.
There are numerous road closures or restricted access in Manila between Nov 11 - 15. Already traffic is a clusterfuck due to Roxas lanes being closed.
https://www.autoindustriya.com/auto-...an-summit.html
http://tempo.com.ph/2017/10/27/roads...-asean-summit/
If you plan to visit LA Cafe or any parts of bayside Manila you will find you are restricted in movement.
More importantly, if you are expecting girls to travel from places like Caloocan or Cavite to meet you in Manila, be prepared for them to either not be able to make it or to be very much delayed (ie late).
For those frequenting Manila and Angeles, note the following:
You need to be aware that the whole Clark area will be in some sort of lock-down over the next few days (especially Nov 12-15) when POTUS and other more important dignitaries will be flying in and out.
Note this advisory. There will be more in the next few days.
https://newsinfo.inquirer.net/943813...r-asean-summit
A few weeks ago I went by car from AC to NAIA around 10:15 am. They had closed down NLEX entrance at Marquee Mall for 30 minutes and did a dry security run. I assumed the dry run was all the way to Manila. After they opened up the entrance it was smooth traffic to Manila. It was Sunday and the driver took the route along the shipyards to Roxas. Traffic was pretty smooth along Roxas to T3.
Last Sunday I went by car again from AC to Pasay City. There was talk of another dry security run but we had left around 1:30 pm and didn't run into any. Took the route along the shipyards again but was re-routed around Roxas at Rizal Park to EDSA. They were doing a security practice there. This part of Roxas will be closed during ASEAN conference.
Both trips were about 2 hours and 15 minutes as most people and trucks stayed of the roads.
FoolOnTheHill
11-09-17, 17:47
I booked my flight to Manila for tomorrow (24 hours to cancel), supposed to arrive in Saturday. First timer to Asia. Do you think it's worth going now that it seems it may be more of a hassle with the politicos in town? I don't want to take hours extra to get around, or have all the best girls already taken by various governments.
I booked my flight to Manila for tomorrow (24 hours to cancel), supposed to arrive in Saturday. First timer to Asia. Do you think it's worth going now that it seems it may be more of a hassle with the politicos in town? I don't want to take hours extra to get around, or have all the best girls already taken by various governments.Fool,
Only one way to find out. Please report back. If you read the posts by some you would know the best are taken by the Koreans. It might be easier to navigate around Manila as most people will stay off the roads. You could always use the timely rail systems.
FoolOnTheHill
11-09-17, 23:29
Fool,
Only one way to find out. Please report back. If you read the posts by some you would know the best are taken by the Koreans. It might be easier to navigate around Manila as most people will stay off the roads. You could always use the timely rail systems.I was mostly kidding; I know there's thousand of girls there. I mostly meant the hassle of arriving that Saturday the 11th. In case they are arriving that day too.
FoolOnTheHill
11-09-17, 23:35
I am RTTF, but I am running out of time too. How far is it from Manila airport to central action areas in Manila where I am currently looking for hotels? Also, are there cab drivers just waiting out there? What's the usual process? Sorry, seasoned veteran of Latin America, never been to Asia.
Soapy Smith
11-10-17, 05:16
RK's links aren't working for me, although I found some others with a brief search. From what I read the "no fly zone" information is a little confusing. They seem to say that "general aviation" will not be allowed to fly near NAIA or Clark roughly between the 11th and the 15th. Also, takeoffs and landings on the short East-West runway at NAIA seem to have some limitations. I interpret this information as meaning that commercial flights will continue on the longer North-South runway but the shorter runway (which never has anything bigger than A320's) will be restricted to landings on some days and takeoffs only on others. Is this the understanding that others have? I am supposed to arrive Tuesday and sure don't want to spend an extra day or two in Tokyo because the flight gets sent back. That happened to me once a couple years ago.
FOTH, just go. Dg is saying what others will likely tell you: there are too many available p4 p women for the ASEAN camp followers to snap them all up. But if you get bored, maybe you can send a couple of them to Donald Trump's suite with instructions to perform some gold__ sh__er on the bed the Obamas previously slept in.
There will be restrictions on general aviation around NAIA and Clark during ASEAN. All ASEAN flights are landing in Clark to avoid any congestion or delays at NAIA. Commercial flights should be ok at NAIA.
Motorcade routes have been worked out from Clark to Manila for ASEAN guests. I believe trucks are banned from these routes the entire 4-5 days. Some roads will be completely shut down especially around CCP, where the conference will be held during the same days with rerouting already done.
Most people will avoid these areas, so I believe getting around shouldn't be a problem. Taxis should be available and will know what areas or streets to avoid or to go around. Hotels may be fully booked in certain areas.
Worst case you might have to bunker down a few days with the same girls.
Btw, do not dress up or look like the little fat boy from NOKO!
Hello, anyone in Manila now? I will stay still a week in Manila (Makati). Just thinking if anyone is going out I would need maybe someone to show me around, maybe some clubs or looking for girls or just hanging out playing pool etc. Just send me a message.
FreebieFan
11-10-17, 11:55
RK's links aren't working for me, although I found some others with a brief search. From what I read the "no fly zone" information is a little confusing. They seem to say that "general aviation" will not be allowed to fly near NAIA or Clark roughly between the 11th and the 15th. Also, takeoffs and landings on the short East-West runway at NAIA seem to have some limitations. I interpret this information as meaning that commercial flights will continue on the longer North-South runway but the shorter runway (which never has anything bigger than A320's) will be restricted to landings on some days and takeoffs only on others. Is this the understanding that others have? I am supposed to arrive Tuesday and sure don't want to spend an extra day or two in Tokyo because the flight gets sent back. That happened to me once a couple years ago.
FOTH, just go. Dg is saying what others will likely tell you: there are too many available p4 p women for the ASEAN camp followers to snap them all up. But if you get bored, maybe you can send a couple of them to Donald Trump's suite with instructions to perform some gold__ sh__er on the bed the Obamas previously slept in.Please don't forget that the rule with Air Force One is that no flights are allowed to take off something like two hours before it departs. So there will be a long queue of planes waiting to depart after Trump departs. Expect serious flight delays, both in and out on that particular day.
GB Mongers
11-10-17, 15:45
Dear fellow mongers,
I'm looking for girls offering anal in Manila.
Please PM me if you have contacts.
Many thanks in advance.
GB.
Wicked Roger
11-10-17, 18:51
Dear fellow mongers,
I'm looking for girls offering anal in Manila.
Please PM me if you have contacts.
Many thanks in advance.
GB.You came in July and did not share so we are looking forward to you contributions eagerly.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1007-Manila&p=2091976&viewfull=1#post2091976.
Now there are some who can't find anal loving pinays and some who can (I am in the latter as all the one I know enjoy a bit of Greek) but how about you PM me your contacts in case we have been Greeking the same lady and then we can PM each other and compare?
Look forward to the belated FR of your July visit.
FoolOnTheHill
11-10-17, 19:28
Sorry for a generic question, but could you name a couple of the hotels in Manila near some of the good bars or malls or action etc? I'm not sure what the prices are there, but I'd assume 40-60 bucks a night? Cold air conditioning obviously a plus.
Thank you.
Soapy Smith
11-10-17, 21:00
Sorry for a generic question, but could you name a couple of the hotels in Manila near some of the good bars or malls or action etc? I'm not sure what the prices are there, but I'd assume 40-60 bucks a night? Cold air conditioning obviously a plus. Thank you.I know the Malate and Ermita areas pretty well: near LAC, GPoint, and Robinson's Place Mall. If you are interested in that area, PM me, and I'll be glad to make some suggestions. Also, please note there is a thread dedicated to Manila hotels.
Soapy Smith
11-10-17, 21:02
There will be restrictions on general aviation around NAIA and Clark during ASEAN. All ASEAN flights are landing in Clark to avoid any congestion or delays at NAIA. Commercial flights should be ok at NAIA.
Motorcade routes have been worked out from Clark to Manila for ASEAN guests. I believe trucks are banned from these routes the entire 4-5 days. Some roads will be completely shut down especially around CCP, where the conference will be held during the same days with rerouting already done.
Most people will avoid these areas, so I believe getting around shouldn't be a problem. Taxis should be available and will know what areas or streets to avoid or to go around. Hotels may be fully booked in certain areas.
Worst case you might have to bunker down a few days with the same girls.
Btw, do not dress up or look like the little fat boy from NOKO!Thanks, Dg. Very helpful.
FoolOnTheHill
11-10-17, 22:15
How much should I be paying for a taxi from the airport to the main hotel area in Manila?
Thanks, Dg. Very helpful.Yes important contribution, for those trying to get to airport on time, during Asean period, especially if coming from Angeles.
One of my friends benefited greatly from this ISG / Dg 'inside' info.
Facts come first. First the facts, then the fucks.
WestCoast1
11-11-17, 03:32
How much should I be paying for a taxi from the airport to the main hotel area in Manila?Which main hotel area? The National Capital Region (Manila) is 17 cities, housing 20 million people.
What hotel are you staying in? The answer will depend on location, time of day, and type of taxi (standard white metered, yellow metered, or fixed-rate vehicle). A bit of RTTF might help.
Member #4566
11-11-17, 04:07
Dear fellow mongers,
I'm looking for girls offering anal in Manila.
Please PM me if you have contacts.
Many thanks in advance.
GB.Somewhere in the ISG forum is a thread entitled "anal connoisseurs. " You may find some useful shit there. BTW I have used the term "connoisseur" in connection with wine yet herein its use is for making connection with an asshole. Stark contrast. But I can't judge because it's Greek to me.
FoolOnTheHill
11-11-17, 05:01
Which main hotel area? The National Capital Region (Manila) is 17 cities, housing 20 million people.
What hotel are you staying in? The answer will depend on location, time of day, and type of taxi (standard white metered, yellow metered, or fixed-rate vehicle). A bit of RTTF might help.I was referring to the Malate, and Ermita areas Soapy mentioned to me.
I am RTTF, but I am running out of time too. How far is it from Manila airport to central action areas in Manila where I am currently looking for hotels? Also, are there cab drivers just waiting out there? What's the usual process? Sorry, seasoned veteran of Latin America, never been to Asia.On hotel booking sites like TripAdvisors, Hotels.com and Agoda.com they will list the distance from the respective hotel to many locations like NAIA. You can probably find out your answers faster there. Also you can use the maps to locate your hotel and areas of interest.
Cab drivers are everywhere. Usual process, tell the cabbie where you want to go, possibly have a screen shot of the place and address to show him / her / shehe it, get in the cab if driver says ok, at location pay the driver what ever they tell you the fare is.
Fool, don’t forget to write a report post trip.
How much should I be paying for a taxi from the airport to the main hotel area in Manila?
What ever they tell you. Possibly they might ask for meter price plus or flat rate. Sorry for the vague answer to your vague question.
For newbies just pay the requested amount. Also make a contribution if the driver need some medicine for his / her / shehe sick child.
Fool, don’t forget to write a report post trip.
How much should I be paying for a taxi from the airport to the main hotel area in Manila?There are 4 airport terminals in Manila. I presume you are arriving to T1, which is the furthest from Makati, which sounds like where you are heading rather than Malate / Ermita area. I can't remember exactly from T1 to Makati, but the taxi fare by the meter is probably around 200 pesos ($4 usd). Plus add 35 pesos for the skyway.
Just a warning about Manila taxi drivers. They are always trying to scam passengers. Always get them to reset the meter when you get in. It should reset to 40 pesos, otherwise you will be paying for the prior passenger's trip as well as your own. Or they will agree to use the meter, and then when you are moving will say that the charge is 300 pesos fixed charge for example. Just be firm and get them to use the meter. Most will ask for meter plus 50 pesos, which is reasonable in my view to add an extra 50 pesos.
Beware of the yellow airport taxis as these are the ones most likely on the take, rather than the public white taxis. Dealing with Manila taxi drivers takes experience and is usually a learning experience for the uninitiated to avoid being ripped off.
Member #4566
11-11-17, 16:45
At airport terminal one, when I exit the terminal I walk to the left and find steps up to the departure level. There you will see taxis dropping off passengers. Jump into one of them but not before the driver understands you want him to use the meter. Then as he pulls away verify the meter is on. Otherwise open the taxi door to get him to stop and get out and find another taxi (I have done this before).
As for hotels, the Heritage Hotel is across the street from the Edsa entertainment complex. That will keep you occupied for some time. Consider staying at the Heritage for the sake of simplicity.
Less than 300 P.
How much should I be paying for a taxi from the airport to the main hotel area in Manila?
Wicked Roger
11-11-17, 19:58
On hotel booking sites like TripAdvisors, Hotels.com and Agoda.com they will list the distance from the respective hotel to many locations like NAIA. You can probably find out your answers faster there. Also you can use the maps to locate your hotel and areas of interest.
Cab drivers are everywhere. Usual process, tell the cabbie where you want to go, possibly have a screen shot of the place and address to show him / her / shehe it, get in the cab if driver says ok, at location pay the driver what ever they tell you the fare is.
Fool, dont forget to write a report post trip.Google helps, calling the hotel (novel idea nowadays with the apps we use).
And as for "Fool, don't forget to write a report post trip" - don't hold the breathe DG, 24 FRs all questions or sort of and not FR on his discoveries.
Am sure Pomp will say we are no collegiate but if you don't RTFF and do some hard yards plus make the odd mistake then how do you learn in life? Unless Pomp can always be there to wipe the cheeks LOL so no need.
Beware of the yellow airport taxis as these are the ones most likely on the take, rather than the public white taxis. Dealing with Manila taxi drivers takes experience and is usually a learning experience for the uninitiated to avoid being ripped off.I must disagree here Franga.
I live in Manila and travel through the airports for my work (domestic and international) around 3 times every month.
In all of my time here (21 years; the yellow taxis have been available for 5 or 6 years), I have NEVER been scammed by a yellow taxi and I use them all the time because they always provide a receipt and never try on the scam racket.
Maybe you didn't realize that the flagfall is 70 php and the meter ticks a bit faster than the white metered taxis. That is clearly displayed on the ticket that is issued to you with the taxi registration etc clearly written.
I don't know why you would say "as these are the ones most likely on the take".
They are registered drivers and it is easy to report them.
Are you basing your comment on one experience only because if so you were VERY unlucky. It's never happened to me.
Mr Enternational
11-12-17, 04:38
In all of my time here (21 years; the yellow taxis have been available for 5 or 6 years), I have NEVER been scammed by a yellow taxi and I use them all the time because they always provide a receipt and never try on the scam racket.The yellow taxis have been around for more than six years. I have been living in Thailand for 8 years and my first trip to Manila was before that. If I don't remember anything else from my first time, I remember someone in the forum telling me to walk outside, turn left and take the YELLOW taxis. I have been doing that ever since (besides the times I call Uber). Unlike RK, the yellow taxis have tried to scam me a few times (with the hot meter) going to Ermita from the airport. The highest was to the tune of 500 pesos. Luckily I have taken that route many times to the City State Hotel and knew better. When you come out of the airport the white taxis tell you an astronomical price from the start, like you are in London or something. Like 800-1000 pesos to go to Ermita. (MF I am going to Ermita, not AC!) But when you just flag one down outside in town there is never a ripoff; just normal meter pricing. I never see yellow taxis in town, only white ones. Why is that?
Just a warning about Manila taxi drivers. They are always trying to scam passengers.I advise caution when using works like always because it may establish an adversarial frame of mind; think the worst and you'll find it. I've been here for several years and have had a handful of bad experiences. I think the reputation for dishonesty is overblown, though the ones who are dishonest or ask "How much you pay, sir?" tend to sit waiting for fellas in front of LA Cafe, EDSA Complex, orbiting Burgos, etc., so they tend to be foreigners who tell their friends and so on. The biggest rip off I experienced was 6 or 7 years ago when I hopped in one parked in front of LA Cafe (then called MBC), didn't notice the meter, and paid three times more, the equivalent of $12, which was hardly a disaster, to return to Makati. To avoid a repeat of that I walk down the street a half block and hail one.
Always get them to reset the meter when you get in. Yes, this is the most common one, though it is still rare. I allow the driver to proceed for 10-15 seconds and if he hasn't reset the meter I remind him. Almost never get any protest; usually it's just his giggle and it's reset.
...................I never see yellow taxis in town, only white ones. Why is that?Yellow Taxi drivers tell me, they are only allowed to pick up at airport, drop passenger off and return to airport, ignoring any passengers on the way back. They are only allowed to pick up passengers at airport, they tell me, hence 'not noticed' in amongst white taxis who pick up anywhere.
I purposely select Yellow Taxis for same reason as RK, honest straight forward service. Fare to Angeles is same as what white taxis expect, and Yellow cars are in better condition, and drivers of a better quality. My experience anyway.
But there might be Hi jinx with Yellow taxis at Cebu Airport. Their fare seems to be double white taxis, whereas previously they were only about 50% max of white taxis fare. Nothing stays the same. I fear Yellow taxi drivers are starting to adopt white taxi drivers m. O. 's, but only in Cebu, so far, my experience, LOL.
Member #4566
11-12-17, 05:36
I hopped in one parked in front . . . .I read this advice on the ISG some time ago: always use a taxi that is moving and not waiting for a customer otherwise you pay for his idle time. Makes complete sense.
FreebieFan
11-12-17, 06:40
I read this advice on the ISG some time ago: always use a taxi that is moving and not waiting for a customer otherwise you pay for his idle time. Makes complete sense.Every 3 months or so the discussion veers back to taxis and rip offs. Like RK I've had very few experiences (tho I live in Makati and find its generally easier to walk to many places, if not too distant).
My advice would be to learn a few words of tagalog to establish that you arent a tourist. Seems to work for me. " where you go sir. Sa La Cafe, ala mo LA Cafe? (to la cafe, you know La cafe).
Or the better ones. " pare, pake hinaan radyo mo " please turn down the radio. Or " sir theres big traffic, extra fee. And the reply is " wala akong pakialam) meaning. I don't care!
These seem to work great every time.
The yellow taxis have been around for more than six years. I have been living in Thailand for 8 years and my first trip to Manila was before that.
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I never see yellow taxis in town, only white ones. Why is that?You're probably right Mr E. It could be 8 or even 10. I just guessed because I couldn't remember when they started up but, as we know, time flies when you're having fun.
The yellow taxis are specifically franchised to work FROM the airport. They are not permitted to take any other fares.
I purposely select Yellow Taxis for same reason as RK, honest straight forward service.Overall they seem better than the white ones but this is Manila, so be on your guard. I caught a yellow cab from Terminal 2 last November and within 500 meters he started pulling the old batingting meter trick. Told him to stop or I'd text LTFRB (this is a good number to keep on your phone). He stopped, though in retrospect I probably should have reported him anyway.
I have gotten both white and yellow taxis from Terminal 1 in the past to Red Planet Hotel in Pasay City. Both white and yellow have tried to rip me off a few times for 500-600 pesos when it usually is under 200 with traffic. This was before the skyway was finished.
As I learned from earlier posters, I just get out of the taxi and have the hotel people get my bags out of the taxi and then hand the driver 200 pesos. When they ask for more I just laugh and walk into the hotel. Usually the driver is too lazy to get out of the car so I just shut the door on him.
There is a reason why Uber and Grab have a market! A good half if not more of Uber and Grab customers are Filipinos.
Crazy4Thai
11-12-17, 22:44
There is a reason why Uber and Grab have a market! A good half if not more of Uber and Grab customers are Filipinos.I'm new to this scene but this statement supports what I have seen in the past week here. I was quoted a one hour wait at a Grab stand by Greenbelt Mall on Saturday night while white taxis were cruising by empty. We hailed a white taxi and got on our way, this time hassle free.
Soapy Smith
11-13-17, 10:02
How much should I be paying for a taxi from the airport to the main hotel area in Manila?From any of the three terminals you can find yellow airport taxis and white coupon taxis. The yellow cabs are a little cheaper and they run off a meter that starts higher and clicks faster than for average white taxis. Average white cabs that you see out around the city are cheaper than either the yellow or coupon airport taxis but are not allowed to pick up passengers from the airport.
Depending on which district your hotel is in, the yellow airport cab may be anywhere from about 200 to 500 pisos. One USD is about 50 pesos. Tip is up to you, and these drivers appreciate Western travelers because we usually tip better than Filipinos. The white coupon taxis have fixed rates depending on your destination, and they end up being more expensive than yellow cabs. You will be aggressively approached by agents for the white couipon taxis, so just keep your eyes on the lookout for the yellow cabs and politely tell the white taxi hawkers no thank you. In the past there were often long lines waiting for yellow cabs, but not in my recent trips to Manila.
Although I am not traveling in and out as often as RK, I too have never had a problem with yellow cabs. If you have any concerns, you can ask the ticket agent about the approximate fare.
I took yellow taxi last Monday from NAIA2 I guess since it was Philippine Airlines flight from Hong Kong. I ended up paying skyway 600-650 pesos to Makati very close Greenbelt to Perla Hotel. Do you think I was ripped off? The meter seemed quite fast, but I'm not sure how fast it should be then. After driving for some time the driver asked if I have the slip to give to him. I was wondering why because I think I should keep it so I can complain if the driver tries to cheat. The driver said he needed it to check the destination. I couldn't find the slip anywhere and I said to the driver that I have the destination here on another paper and map also. I don't think the destination is on the slip anyway. So maybe the driver tried to get it so I couldn't see his plate number later? Then weird thing was then that the driver took Don Bosco exit and was driving very slow and took quite a long time to get to the hotel late on Monday night, I don't think the traffic can be that bad at that time. I think the next skyway exit Amorsolo goes directly to Legaspi Village in Makati and it should be chosen. But after flights of 15 hours I didn't have the energy to start to argue with him.
At the hotel I found the slip and thought about complaining but didn't do it since it was only maybe USD 5 or something. But that's probably their goal to cheat a little bit from anyone. In the long run it could be a lot of money.
Yes, you will be aggressively approached by the white coupon taxi mafia, and they'll want 20,000 or more to take you into the city. You can get a "legitimate" white coupon taxi for about 750 or less. Time is money. I look for the white coupon taxi stand. No muss, no fuss, no waiting. Zoom and I'm on the way. It's worth the extra $7. 50 or so that I pay. Am I going to wait 2 hours to save $10.00? No thank you.
Mr Enternational
11-13-17, 17:46
I took yellow taxi last Monday from NAIA2. I ended up paying skyway 600-650 pesos to Makati very close Greenbelt to Perla Hotel. Do you think I was ripped off?Definitely. Maybe he charged you for round trip plus tip and will be waiting to take you back to the airport when it is time.
There is a reason why Uber and Grab have a market! A good half if not more of Uber and Grab customers are Filipinos.
I'm new to this scene but this statement supports what I have seen in the past week here. I was quoted a one hour wait at a Grab stand by Greenbelt Mall on Saturday night while white taxis were cruising by empty. We hailed a white taxi and got on our way, this time hassle free.The problem is that Grab and Uber leave a paper trail at times when you don't one. Am still looking for a prepaid credit card that works internationally without killer fees.
Crazy4Thai
11-14-17, 01:51
The problem is that Grab and Uber leave a paper trail at times when you don't one. Am still looking for a prepaid credit card that works internationally without killer fees.My biggest fare ever is maybe $6 US and cash leaves no trail.
Joel Goodsen
11-14-17, 02:22
Am still looking for a prepaid credit card that works internationally without killer fees.Load-and-go travel cards? Prepay and different currencies. No ATM fees.
<SNIP> Average white cabs that you see out around the city are cheaper than either the yellow or coupon airport taxis but are not allowed to pick up passengers from the airport.
Not true any more Soapy.
There is now a rank for ordinary metered taxis at all airports. They are permitted to pick up from the designated rank. There is a security guy standing there (usually but not always).
There are now 3 choices. Yellow, coupon or regular metered cabs.
Not true any more Soapy.
There is now a rank for ordinary metered taxis at all airports. They are permitted to pick up from the designated rank. There is a security guy standing there (usually but not always).
There are now 3 choices. Yellow, coupon or regular metered cabs.Also at T3 there is a stand for Grab rides.
Load-and-go travel cards? Prepay and different currencies. No ATM fees.Looks good for Aussie travellers. However the website say there is a AUD $2 + ATM provider fee for withdrawals and inquiries. Appears to be no monthly fees which is good. Other fees are FX but reasonable on the high end.
Thanks.
My biggest fare ever is maybe $6 US and cash leaves no trail.Yes lads, sign of a professional (monger), "leave no trail".
No financial / expenditure trail, no personal ID trail, and you will live a long monger life too, like me (and other 'wise men' , LOL).
Cash, misleading ID info, Hit and Run (M. O). What more could you want in life?
Soapy Smith
11-16-17, 08:40
There are now 3 choices. Yellow, coupon or regular metered cabs.I was enroute when you posted this, but I observed it first hand yesterday. At terminal 3 after clearing customs and entering the last area of the terminal with the money changers, turn left and head toward Wendys. Across from Wendys go out the door labeled Gate 2 and follow the walkway directly across a couple of roadways and there are indeed regular white cabs waiting there. Perhaps it's a matter of luck, but I have occasionally had regular metered cab drivers pull a roap-a-dope on me and never experienced that with yellow airport cabs, so I prefer the latter from the airport, even though they're a little more expensive.
Charm City Dave
11-16-17, 15:53
Yes lads, sign of a professional (monger), "leave no trail".
No financial / expenditure trail, no personal ID trail, and you will live a long monger life too, like me (and other 'wise men' , LOL).
Cash, misleading ID info, Hit and Run (M. O). What more could you want in life?I used to be like that but just don't care anymore. It was such a hassle to engage in all that clock and dagger, multiple phones etc. Not married, no girlfriend, no longer working. Most of my friends and family know who I am and how I relax. Been fixed so don't have to worry about a baby momma. I use one phone traveling, if I exchange numbers with a girl she has my real number. I stay with legal. BTW I use Google Fi for data traveling internationally. It is wonderful (and cheap) to have data right off the plane, no buying and managing sim cards. It is wonderful. I can hook anyone up with a discount, just PM me if interested.
Member #4698
11-16-17, 16:58
BTW I use Google Fi for data traveling internationally. It is wonderful (and cheap) to have data right off the plane, no buying and managing sim cards. It is wonderful. I can hook anyone up with a discount, just PM me if interested.Although I hate big brother Google and consider them a potentially dangerous entity, I also must admit that it is an amazing company. I recently booked an otherwise unlisted / unavailable multi city flight (not round-trip flight) from the USA to Asia and back by a different route for the same cost as a round trip ticket. My multi city ticket is issued by United, but it is only available through the link supplied from Google Flight to the United website. WOW!
Now here is an easy softball question so even I can understand Google FI: let's say I have subscribed to the service while still at home. I get off the plane in MNL or BKK and I still have my American sim card installed in my phone. So as I am waiting for my suitcase at the baggage turnstyle; can I make a local call? Can I Line or Viber text one my sexy little friends? Can I arrange for an Uber pickup? In other words, can I access the internet straightaway using Google FI and at no addtional cost other than the monthly subscription rate?
Although I hate big brother Google and consider them a potentially dangerous entity, I also must admit that it is an amazing company. I recently booked an otherwise unlisted / unavailable multi city flight (not round-trip flight) from the USA to Asia and back by a different route for the same cost as a round trip ticket. My multi city ticket is issued by United, but it is only available through the link supplied from Google Flight to the United website. WOW!
Now here is an easy softball question so even I can understand Google FI: let's say I have subscribed to the service while still at home. I get off the plane in MNL or BKK and I still have my American sim card installed in my phone. So as I am waiting for my suitcase at the baggage turnstyle; can I make a local call? Can I Line or Viber text one my sexy little friends? Can I arrange for an Uber pickup? In other words, can I access the internet straightaway using Google FI and at no addtional cost other than the monthly subscription rate?Were you able to use the qualifying miles on the United flight?
Charm City Dave
11-16-17, 17:42
Although I hate big brother Google and consider them a potentially dangerous entity, I also must admit that it is an amazing company. I recently booked an otherwise unlisted / unavailable multi city flight (not round-trip flight) from the USA to Asia and back by a different route for the same cost as a round trip ticket. My multi city ticket is issued by United, but it is only available through the link supplied from Google Flight to the United website. WOW!
Now here is an easy softball question so even I can understand Google FI: let's say I have subscribed to the service while still at home. I get off the plane in MNL or BKK and I still have my American sim card installed in my phone. So as I am waiting for my suitcase at the baggage turnstyle; can I make a local call? Can I Line or Viber text one my sexy little friends? Can I arrange for an Uber pickup? In other words, can I access the internet straightaway using Google FI and at no addtional cost other than the monthly subscription rate?I share your concerns about privacy but having worked in the Internet era have made peace with the fact there is none. Fortunately for me and how I live my life right now, I can live with that. As for Google Fi yes it will work as soon as you are wheels down. Basic costs are $20 a month for unlimited talk and text in the US, and then $10 per gig for data. They meter by the meg so if you use 250 Meg it is $2. 50. Not the perfect plan I someone who used vast amounts of data, but perfect for me. I use 1 to 2 gigs per month, $10 to $20 a month for data. Making calls outside the United States is 20 cents per minute in most countries and usually free to call back to the States on WiFi. But double check that on their website. Only other thing to know, they have a relatively small selection of Android phones. No iPhones. I'm very happy with the pixel. Go to the website and check it out, if you're interested I can get you a link for $20 off your bill.
Charm City Dave
11-16-17, 18:54
I share your concerns about privacy but having worked in the Internet era have made peace with the fact there is none. Fortunately for me and how I live my life right now, I can live with that. As for Google Fi yes it will work as soon as you are wheels down. Basic costs are $20 a month for unlimited talk and text in the US, and then $10 per gig for data. They meter by the meg so if you use 250 Meg it is $2. 50. Not the perfect plan I someone who used vast amounts of data, but perfect for me. I use 1 to 2 gigs per month, $10 to $20 a month for data. Making calls outside the United States is 20 cents per minute in most countries and usually free to call back to the States on WiFi. But double check that on their website. Only other thing to know, they have a relatively small selection of Android phones. No iPhones. I'm very happy with the pixel. Go to the website and check it out, if you're interested I can get you a link for $20 off your bill.One of the really nice feature of Google fi, is that they give you a second data Sim chip. If you have a data enabled tablet you can put it in there. I put it in my old cell phone, which is what I take with me if I'm going someplace sketchy. Then I don't have to worry about loosing my $900 phone.
Member #4698
11-16-17, 19:30
Were you able to use the qualifying miles on the United flight?I did not have enough miles to pay for my flight in miles, but if I had the requisite miles I would have. After following the link to the United website from Google Flight, I logged into United and had the option to pay for the flight with a credit card or with miles the same way as if this flight had come up on the United website search. But this flight does not come up on a United website search, only on a Google Flight website search. That is what impressed me. So I made my purchase and it is a 100% United ticket and I am getting full miles credit for the entire flight which I will use at a later date.
Give it a try. Go to Google Flight and play around with the input variables ie cities & dates and see if you like any of the combinations and prices. Google Flight lists all the viable flights of the major carriers not just United Star Alliance flights. My particular United Flight is MIA to ZUR on Swiss Air, ZUR to BKK on Thai Air then my return flight is HKG to Newark on United and Newark to FLL on United. Alternatively I could have booked the Ana flight from MNL to Japan / United to the USA and stayed within the Star Alliance or I could have selected some other combination of carriers and been directed to their respective websites to make the final purchase, but the United HKG flight is of much shorter duaration than the alternatives, the price was really good, and I figured what the hell, it will be fun to cap off my next trip with 2 final nights in HKG. I haven't been to HKG in 4 years and I do like Chinese girls. LOL.
Member #4698
11-16-17, 20:22
I share your concerns about privacy but having worked in the Internet era have made peace with the fact there is none. Fortunately for me and how I live my life right now, I can live with that. As for Google Fi yes it will work as soon as you are wheels down. Basic costs are $20 a month for unlimited talk and text in the US, and then $10 per gig for data. They meter by the meg so if you use 250 Meg it is $2. 50. Not the perfect plan I someone who used vast amounts of data, but perfect for me. I use 1 to 2 gigs per month, $10 to $20 a month for data. Making calls outside the United States is 20 cents per minute in most countries and usually free to call back to the States on WiFi. But double check that on their website. Only other thing to know, they have a relatively small selection of Android phones. No iPhones. I'm very happy with the pixel. Go to the website and check it out, if you're interested I can get you a link for $20 off your bill.
One of the really nice feature of Google fi, is that they give you a second data Sim chip. If you have a data enabled tablet you can put it in there. I put it in my old cell phone, which is what I take with me if I'm going someplace sketchy. Then I don't have to worry about loosing my $900 phone.Thanks Charm City Dave for this information. I will check out the Google Fi website for sure. The service sounds good for someone like myself who travels to multiple destinations once or twice a year because it is such a hassle to have to buy a new local sim card in every country I visit, every time I visit because I am in country too infrequently to keep my local sim cards current. For example, in Thailand you have to present your passport in order to purchase a sim card and in the PI, you sometimes have to wait in a long line just to buy another sim card. So yes, a no contract Global monthly service would be very practical from my perspective. All I want to do on my cell phone when I travel is Line / Vibre chat with my girls, Uber, use the translater and map app occasionally, and take photos. Everything else I prefer to do on my laptop in my hotel room.
Flyboy 2000
11-17-17, 05:09
Looks like I'll be off to Manila soon. First time I've visited the Philippines, and not planning an extensive stay as this is just a straight work trip, so I'm trying to come to grips with the scene, which even for an experienced travelling punter (I've shared quite some reports in the Singapore and Hong Kong forums) seems a bit overwhelming!
Need to get my head around all the options, would appreciate any general as well as specific advice on that front (it'd be a bit like a punter's first-time visit to Singapore but maybe x100). For example: bars, massage parlours, dating sites, Blendr / WeChat hookups, and even those casual 'at the shopping mall' pickups.
For example: I'd be happy for a simple fun casual dating / Blendr hookup as long as they 'get' that it's casual and that I won't be there for more than a few nights, won't be taking them and their extended family to dinner, and definitely won't be coming back to marry them! Some of that makes me think that unless I can 'find' that before I get to Manila I might be better off with the straight P4P option.
Am of course going to do some solid reading here but if any experienced Philippines punters might want to share some 'Cliff's Notes' to help me get up to speed, that'd be hugely appreciated!
My biggest fare ever is maybe $6 US and cash leaves no trail.Except for the digital trail that you leave when you use the app to order the Grab or Uber taxi.
I think it's virtually impossible these days to travel anonymously. Maybe you can avoid paper trails but your cell phone and / or laptop leaves digital trails whereever you go.
Engine Driver
11-18-17, 00:24
Looks like I'll be off to Manila soon. First time I've visited the Philippines, and not planning an extensive stay as this is just a straight work trip, so I'm trying to come to grips with the scene, which even for an experienced travelling punter (I've shared quite some reports in the Singapore and Hong Kong forums) seems a bit overwhelming!
Need to get my head around all the options, would appreciate any general as well as specific advice on that front (it'd be a bit like a punter's first-time visit to Singapore but maybe x100). For example: bars, massage parlours, dating sites, Blendr / WeChat hookups, and even those casual 'at the shopping mall' pickups.
For example: I'd be happy for a simple fun casual dating / Blendr hookup as long as they 'get' that it's casual and that I won't be there for more than a few nights, won't be taking them and their extended family to dinner, and definitely won't be coming back to marry them! Some of that makes me think that unless I can 'find' that before I get to Manila I might be better off with the straight P4P option.
Am of course going to do some solid reading here but if any experienced Philippines punters might want to share some 'Cliff's Notes' to help me get up to speed, that'd be hugely appreciated!Mate, if it's your first trip, keep it really simple. There are three basic options; Burgos Street, EDSA or LA Cafe. Freelancers at LA Cafe and Burgos Street. Bar girls at Burgos Street and EDSA. It's a big city, so don't try to do too much. For the fake dating scene, you need time, perseverance and some understanding of the culture. Suggest you stick to P4 P first as it's more efficient.
BroComplex
11-18-17, 23:28
Mate, if it's your first trip, keep it really simple. There are three basic options; Burgos Street, EDSA or LA Cafe. Freelancers at LA Cafe and Burgos Street. Bar girls at Burgos Street and EDSA. It's a big city, so don't try to do too much. For the fake dating scene, you need time, perseverance and some understanding of the culture. Suggest you stick to P4 P first as it's more efficient.Burgos street and edsa short time is like 6000 peso LOL that's a terrible deal. Manila is good for la cafe and dating websites if you want bar girls go to angeles.
Engine Driver
11-19-17, 05:05
Burgos street and edsa short time is like 6000 peso LOL that's a terrible deal. Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.
Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.I agree with E D here.
For a first-timer (who is actually coming to Manila to work as a priority), keep it simple and stick to P4 P.
Any deviation from this will require a lot more planning and research and if you are focused on your work and, like me, it takes up most of your time, then it's a no-brainer to go with the simple, structured approach.
JMHO.
Wicked Roger
11-19-17, 07:40
Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.Agree with ED and why when I first visited many years I wold go this route and / or Havana Café. Now I have contacts who have friends and know how to use the web sites etc if I really want to but rarely as why bother when I have friends with friends.
Time is the key and a week in Manila means limited time to chat and play the games you may need to get lucky. And there if you play the game you still need multiple back up plans etc.
And why some think Makati is cheap for girls in bars I another conundrum for me. Plus once you have chosen she cold be a starfish, chubby (but well hidden) etc.
So many variables and if limited time is a pot luck sort of situation so can be expensive and disappointing at the same time.
Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.Burgos bars are expensive and the quality sometimes hard to find. I haven't used them anymore as much as I did maybe 3-4 years ago. Now I think pinay pussy is so easy to find elsewhere wihout too much trouble anyway so why bother. For a firstcomer it might be ok if you don't know pick up places like Havana etc.
I just spent 10 days in Manila. I ended up once in Rogues and Burgos playing pool and buying 2 girls some tequilas and myself too. Those 2 girls were actually found in Tinder and met in Havana. I didn't feel like having sex at 8 pm and wanted to get more drunk, play pool, eat foods etc. Of course it is annoying a bit that that Tinder girl from Havana had to have a friend with her (rather ugly one) but I said it was ok because on holiday I don't want to count every piso. The bill from playing pool drinking tequilas with 2 girls in Rogues was about 4700 p and it was many games and quite a long time. Of course this is splashing around with money but well. You can't just enjoy having sex all the time and I didn't feel like drinking alone either.
A couple of nights before I also got drunk at Havana chatting with some random girls. One ugly girl at the same table with us got annoyd as I was just drinking with her friend and she asked angrily "are you taking her out because I need make money" and something like "it looks like you are with her and no customers can come here". I was a bit drunk already and pissed off. She said "move to another table". Wouldn't even be easy and all the tables are pretty much reserved at 11-12 pm. I said "no, fuck, you go to another table" and there she went mad. I felt I was a paying and drinking customer there, she is no-one to tell me to move ffs. Then I was approached by a decent looking new girl from the same table the angry girl went. She told sorry about that and that she didn't like that girl either. This new girl was wearing loosely fit grey pants, like sporty style. I finished my drink and another. I was not planning to take a girl out but was feeling good with her so I went to my closely located AirBNB condo with her.
We showered and as I was drunk I wanted DATY and ate her nice pussy. Then she said "fuck me doggy style" and moved to that position. She said "you have condom?" but I said something like "you like condom?" but I was eager to fuck her from behind and in I went. I was drunk and needed to rest a couple of minutes beside her but then I was fucking her missionary and after sometime was finally able to finish inside her pussy. She went to toilet and of course I was worried about BB with a Havana girl and of course she promised that she was not sick etc. But maybe quite stupid getting drunk and barebacking a Havana girl? I asked if she worked many days she said no but when leaving she said "come see me tomorrow night there".
Other days I was drinking in Raffles happy hour of Friday with a girl met online. She had tattoos (a bit turnoff for me) and decent looks but at the same time I was texting with a teenager 19 yo looking for a BF. So I said I have to go meet her so I paid the tattooed girl her happy hour and ubers from quite far maybe total of 2000 p. I met that teenager in Greenbelt and asked if she comes with me and she said yes and to the condo we went. I was drunk too and couldn't finish but with a bad hang over the next morning I shot my load inside her small pussy. Things good in the Philippines. I was planning to see her but she said she couldn't during my last days there because she went staying with a friend, a guy, she said just a friend and no sex. I have been vibering her and she said something "see you next year". Why not, but she seemed a bit distractive and always facebooking or maybe I as a 40 yo are not enough same type as her.
In my final day I hosted a MILF type girl in her 30's from Bicol as she came to do some errands to Manila for a few days. The following and night we had sex (really good BJ) and also the next morning a couple of days. I came on her body. Things good in Manila. Then I took a uber to the airport to Bangkok and Pattaya for 4 days (reporting from Pattaya). Here it might not be a good idea BB but it seems widely available. Just met a girl for ST for 900 bahts and she would have been OK and even tried to remove my condom but I wasnt drunk as after drinking 1-2 weeks in Asia a couple of beers is not enough so I kept going on protected and shot my load from standing doggy into the condom with this 30 yo big breasted mom. She said she works in a bar Pattaya soi 13/2 which is a quiet beer bar so she not have many customers.
BroComplex
11-19-17, 16:40
Burgos bars are at least 7000 PHP for the bar fine and ladies fee. Plus the LDs. I never said it was cheap, just the convenience factor for a first time visitor.You can get a girl just as quick if not quicker at la cafe. She may not be a stunner but she won't cost you more than a couple of thousand peso and you don't have to buy a lady drinks. I usually stay near Robinson that way I can get 2-3 girls from la cafe every night and the total cost won't come near Burgos street prices. I also troll the dating websites all day long. I keep my messages short and ask them if they want to meet right after I say Hello,. Girls respond better if they know you are in the Philippines and not wasting their time and if things don't work out la cafe opens 24 hours.
Gentleman Travel
11-19-17, 21:00
Hi guys, I am preparing to go on my first trip to the Philippines in two weeks, and I appreciate all the info and advice I have received here.
I have read a lot of the Forum, but would like to just do a reality check on some of the key take-aways.
I have been working Filipino Cupid and Pinalove, and find FC much more useful for my needs, which include finding girls in a smaller provincial city.
PL would be adequate if I was just interested in Manila, and has more obvious pros, but FC has more reach outside of Manila, although it is harder to know which girls will respond to financial incentives. Few of them make it obvious.
For the girls I have moved into negotiations with, it seems like 3 K to 5 K is the normal range, depending on quality and duration, although I am normally asking for overnight.
What I am wondering about is, what about the girls who do not ask for money upfront? Should I be rewarding them on the same scale? And am I right to not raise the money issue in advance? I assume that many of these girls prefer not to think of themselves a P4 P, even if that is exactly what is going on. At age 60, none of these 25 year olds are dating me for my boyish good looks!
I see Robinsons Mall mentioned as a place for FL pick-ups and may try it out, as it is near my hotel. But I wonder if the same market exists at Mall of Asia, which seems to be the preferred meeting place for the girls I am talking to?
Hi guys, I am preparing to go on my first trip to the Philippines in two weeks, and I appreciate all the info and advice I have received here.
I have read a lot of the Forum, but would like to just do a reality check on some of the key take-aways.
I have been working Filipino Cupid and Pinalove, and find FC much more useful for my needs, which include finding girls in a smaller provincial city.
PL would be adequate if I was just interested in Manila, and has more obvious pros, but FC has more reach outside of Manila, although it is harder to know which girls will respond to financial incentives. Few of them make it obvious.
For the girls I have moved into negotiations with, it seems like 3 K to 5 K is the normal range, depending on quality and duration, although I am normally asking for overnight.
What I am wondering about is, what about the girls who do not ask for money upfront? Should I be rewarding them on the same scale? And am I right to not raise the money issue in advance? I assume that many of these girls prefer not to think of themselves a P4 P, even if that is exactly what is going on. At age 60, none of these 25 year olds are dating me for my boyish good looks!
I see Robinsons Mall mentioned as a place for FL pick-ups and may try it out, as it is near my hotel. But I wonder if the same market exists at Mall of Asia, which seems to be the preferred meeting place for the girls I am talking to?Whether they ask for money or not, their immediate goal is to survive, not only for themselves but for their families, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. As we all know it takes money as a medium to survive. Some think if they treat them to dinners and drinks it is enough. Fact is it hasn't put any food on the family table nor paid the bills. The shy ones are afraid to ask for many reasons, some possibly don't want to look like pnp and and others don't know how to ask. I assume that after a few times they have been short changed they do speak up. Until then they suffer quietly at the mercy of the monger.
Of course they need the money! What other possible reason would they be doing this? Always pass the money to them in a discreet face saving manner even if they put up a faint objection. I usually say the money is to buy the family a present or to sponsor their upcoming birthday party or dinner and then tuck into their pocket or bag.
To be fair I generally pay / gift the same as I would to the others.
I have been to the Mall of Asia many times and have never seen pnp girls there let alone a special congregating area for them. There may be a few strays from time to time. I believe MOA looks like a respectable area to be in if they were seen with a foreigner is one of the reasons why they prefer MOA. The other reason is that it is an easy location for them to get to via taxi, bus or jeepney. MOA is huge, so best to have their loaded cell number and an exact meeting place like front of Hypermart where most taxis will drop off. Hypermart does have two drop off points, front and back.
Good luck and be fair to them. Also depending upon where they are traveling from transportation could cost them 500 pesos.
Mr Enternational
11-19-17, 22:08
I have been working Filipino Cupid and Pinalove, and find FC much more useful for my needs, which include finding girls in a smaller provincial city.You think it is useful until they do not show up or don't make solid plans with you forever reason. My last trip was a bust on the internet dating side of the game. I wasted a lot of time beforehand on DIA just to end up going to LAC and using the chat apps once there.
I am not yet 60 and have had a few PI girlfriends that did not require payment. Although some would argue that you are supposed to give them money, from my experience they are not all hookers and out for money, so YMMV on that front.
Also no hookers at MOA that I have ever seen. Stick to the tried and true pick-up locations that are mentioned in the forum.
Gentleman Travel
11-20-17, 04:40
Whether they ask for money or not, their immediate goal is to survive, not only for themselves but for their families, otherwise they wouldn't be doing this. As we all know it takes money as a medium to survive. Some think if they treat them to dinners and drinks it is enough. Fact is it hasn't put any food on the family table nor paid the bills. The shy ones are afraid to ask for many reasons, some possibly don't want to look like pnp and and others don't know how to ask. I assume that after a few times they have been short changed they do speak up. Until then they suffer quietly at the mercy of the monger.
Of course they need the money! What other possible reason would they be doing this? Always pass the money to them in a discreet face saving manner even if they put up a faint objection. I usually say the money is to buy the family a present or to sponsor their upcoming birthday party or dinner and then tuck into their pocket or bag.
To be fair I generally pay / gift the same as I would to the others.Thanks DG and Mr Enternational. Yes, I am perfectly happy to pay the "freebies" on the same scale as P4 P, I just want to do it without giving offence, or without ripping off a deserving girl who is too shy to ask. So I will work on that scale (3 k - 5 k) and call it "shopping money", because we were too busy fucking our brains out to go shopping.
Right now I have enough prospects that seem really solid, and a decent "B" list as well. In fact, it looks like an impossible task to juggle them all in the time available. But we all know that will change on the ground. It will be interesting to see what the attrition is like, given that I have quite extensive communications and explicit agreements on sex with most of the A list.
But if (when) that happens, I am perfectly content to nip over to LA Cafe or Robinsons Mall and take my chances there. In fact I will feel aggrieved if I do not get to partake in one of those cultural establishments!
For my time in the boonies (Tuguegarao City) I am a little more concerned about being left loveless by my prospective paramours, because I don't think there is much of a local P4 P market, nor could I easily partake, given the small town dynamic. So there I have aimed at the less-scandalous 25+ market, with a mixture of a couple of local ladies and several who would come in from out of town. The theory being that locals might not be prepared to be seen with me, whereas out-of-towners have more freedom of anonymity. Plus I can program the out-of-towners so they don't overlap, and it is easy / natural to raise the "sleeping over" issue with them. It all sounds great in theory, and the prospects seem sincere, but we will see how this turns out in real life.
Cheers and thanks for all the advice!
Gentleman Travel
11-20-17, 05:13
Oh, one more observation, which will not come as a surprise to anyone here with real experience.
Most of the girls on FC talk about finding their true love and LTR and stuff, but many of them are equally open to short term propositions.
Occasionally when I have a response from a girl I am not seriously interested in, or is surplus to requirements, I test to see how direct and dirty I can be, and still get a positive response.
I had one girl who sent a long letter filled with faith, loyalty, religion and dedication to finding her one true love. Since she was not in my catchment area I could afford to be direct and rude. I said I was not looking for a wife, but for a girl I could fuck while I was visiting. She replied, without batting an eyelash, "That's okay, I am open to that too. ".
And I have had many similar responses when I indicate (less rudely) that I am not looking for wifey, just a nice girl to date while I am in PI. They back down from true love and LTR pretty quickly. I prefer to deal with them on a slightly more honest (albeit not completely) basis. I mean, I don't tell them I am planning to bang other girls on alternate nights, but I don't want them investing hopes and dreams in me that I am bound to disappoint. It will be difficult enough to untangle the relationship afterwards (I still have my 2 week GF from Colombia begging me to come back, more than a year later), without having deliberately created false expectations.
We showered and as I was drunk I wanted DATY and ate her nice pussy. Then she said "fuck me doggy style" and moved to that position. She said "you have condom?" but I said something like "you like condom?" but I was eager to fuck her from behind and in I went. I was drunk and needed to rest a couple of minutes beside her but then I was fucking her missionary and after sometime was finally able to finish inside her pussy. She went to toilet and of course I was worried about BB with a Havana girl and of course she promised that she was not sick etc. But maybe quite stupid getting drunk and barebacking a Havana girl?Recently while I was banging a chica the condom broke. I felt the difference and pulled out. The chica said just remove it and lets continue. I declined and replaced the condom. In the heat of the moment one can in fact make rash decisions but I recalled this dude I know who told me that he got an STD and even after a course of antibiotics it just won't go away. He has painful urination and discharge weeks after taking medication; that knowledge has strengthened my resolve to avoid BB.
BroComplex
11-22-17, 16:26
Recently while I was banging a chica the condom broke. I felt the difference and pulled out. The chica said just remove it and lets continue. I declined and replaced the condom. In the heat of the moment one can in fact make rash decisions but I recalled this dude I know who told me that he got an STD and even after a course of antibiotics it just won't go away. He has painful urination and discharge weeks after taking medication; that knowledge has strengthened my resolve to avoid BB.The right way to treat this kind of std is to treat gonorrhea and chlamydia together at the same time. I bet he has gonorrhea since he has discharge and I bet he is only taking chlamydia antibiotics either azithromycin or doxycycline.
Chocha Monger
11-22-17, 21:53
Recently while I was banging a chica the condom broke. I felt the difference and pulled out. The chica said just remove it and lets continue. I declined and replaced the condom. In the heat of the moment one can in fact make rash decisions but I recalled this dude I know who told me that he got an STD and even after a course of antibiotics it just won't go away. He has painful urination and discharge weeks after taking medication; that knowledge has strengthened my resolve to avoid BB.The girl rightly realized that you had already accidentally barebacked her pussy when the condom broke. If she was infectious, you were already exposed and infected. Therefore, she wanted you to make lemonade from that lemon and enjoy the increased pleasure from getting your dick wet. She offered you the opportunity to cream pie her pussy as a consolation prize for the mishap as there was not anything left to lose as far as she was concerned.
Putting on a second condom after being inside her raw was a moot point, especially if you did not wash your dick and soak it in a bit of Clorox first, then follow up with a prophylactic course of broad-spectrum antibiotics and retroviral medication. Next time, just enjoy the ride then begin precautionary treatment after shooting your load. A second condom after feeling that the first broke inside the girl's pussy or asshole is like putting on a bulletproof vest after sustaining a gunshot wound, the gesture is admirable but mistaken as far as infection prevention is concerned.
Geneva Guy
11-23-17, 02:01
Recently while I was banging a chica the condom broke. I felt the difference and pulled out. The chica said just remove it and lets continue. I declined and replaced the condom. In the heat of the moment one can in fact make rash decisions but I recalled this dude I know who told me that he got an STD and even after a course of antibiotics it just won't go away. He has painful urination and discharge weeks after taking medication; that knowledge has strengthened my resolve to avoid BB.The problem is that gonorrhea has become resistant to most antibiotics available. Ceftriaxone 250 MG into the butt one dose still seems to work, you have to go to a clinic or physician to get it.
The girl rightly realized that you had already accidentally barebacked her pussy when the condom broke. If she was infectious, you were already exposed and infected. Therefore, she wanted you to make lemonade from that lemon and enjoy the increased pleasure from getting your dick wet. She offered you the opportunity to cream pie her pussy as a consolation prize for the mishap as there was not anything left to lose as far as she was concerned.
Putting on a second condom after being inside her raw was a moot point, especially if you did not wash your dick and soak it in a bit of Clorox first, then follow up with a prophylactic course of broad-spectrum antibiotics and retroviral medication. Next time, just enjoy the ride then begin precautionary treatment after shooting your load. A second condom after feeling that the first broke inside the girl's pussy or asshole is like putting on a bulletproof vest after sustaining a gunshot wound, the gesture is admirable but mistaken as far as infection prevention is concerned.I thought you like to bareback yourself?
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1972-Angeles-City&p=2107813&viewfull=1#post2107813.
See post 21274, in case the link doesn't work. And also post 21273.
I guess we have to take most of CM's posts with a grain of salt.
The problem is that gonorrhea has become resistant to most antibiotics available.Only certain strains have become resistant. But I admit it's a problem.
............. I guess we have to take most of CM's posts with a grain of salt.Haven't checked it out in detail, but think you will find CM uses a different brand of humor to you and most other folk.
Haven't checked it out in detail, but think you will find CM uses a different brand of humor to you and most other folk.You can say that again. His humor consists of exaggeration for the most part.
WestCoast1
11-24-17, 16:31
You can say that again. His humor consists of exaggeration for the most part.Ya, but its some good sh*t, and there is a kernel of truth and history in his stuff.
Mr Enternational
11-24-17, 17:48
Putting on a second condom after being inside her raw was a moot point,What do you mean? Everybody knows that bacteria and viruses don't attack on the first few strokes.
You can say that again. His humor consists of exaggeration for the most part.I think you are exaggerating a bit, LOL.
CallSign Papa
11-25-17, 16:20
You can say that again. His humor consists of exaggeration for the most part.Is it time for the bi-annual Manila thread Flame War?
I'll go suit up.
WestCoast1
11-25-17, 20:11
Oh, one more observation, which will not come as a surprise to anyone here with real experience. GT: Your inbox is full. Clear some messages.
Mr Enternational
11-25-17, 21:39
I got into Manila last night and took a yellow taxi to Makati. It looked like the meter was hot but I did not say anything to the driver. There was a bit of trappic and by the time I got to the hotel it was 309 on the meter. I ended up giving him 400 because he was very entertaining. As we drove down P. Burgos he was pointing out the chicks and I said that is a bakla dude. He asked me if I ever go to Mabini. I told him that is where I usually stay, at City State, and hit LA Cafe. He mentioned another area that started with a "B" that I had never heard of. I should have written that shit down.
Thanks to Wilbarry and Dg8787 for bringing up the Hop Inn in the hotels thread. I stayed there the few hours that I was here. I booked it on hotelsdotcom for US $31. On the Hop Inn website it was like twice that price. It is a bare bones hotel (they had soap for sell at the desk, although there is a liquid soap dispenser in the shower), but very new and clean and has good internet.
I didn't do any mongering. My pregnant girl (not my kid) met me at the hotel for one last romp before she pops. Funny thing is that she is 35 weeks and said the doctor would induce labor in 2 weeks. I told her that was dumb as hell since the human gestation period is 40 weeks (and showed her on google). She insisted that it only takes 37 weeks for the bread to be fully baked and said she trusts her doctor. Alrighty then.
Caught a quick nap and woke up at 3 am. Hopped into a taxi and it was 131 pesos back to Terminal 3. I gave the driver 179 and he was estatic. So estatic that I was wondering whether I had given him a 1000 instead of a 100 since it was dark in the car. Just checked my stash and it was definitely a 100. Heading home to Thailand.
Chocha Monger
11-25-17, 21:45
What do you mean? Everybody knows that bacteria and viruses don't attack on the first few strokes.That is good to know as some girls now ask for condom before insertion whereas a few years ago it was 100% bareback cum-in-pussy. Now whenever they request a rubber, I will remind them of the Three Strokes Rule. I will reassure them that they cannot possibly catch anything and it is perfectly safe to let me taste them extra skinless for 3 long deep strokes before withdrawing to don the pleasure killing latex. Just the thought of those 3 preliminary pumps of pure pleasure leaves me jonesing in raw lustful anticipation.
Is it time for the bi-annual Manila thread Flame War?
I'll go suit up.Only twice a year? Get real mate, we should have a flame war every month LOL.
BaddHabbit
11-26-17, 10:52
I didn't do any mongering. My pregnant girl (not my kid) met me at the hotel for one last romp before she pops. Funny thing is that she is 35 weeks and said the doctor would induce labor in 2 weeks. I told her that was dumb as hell since the human gestation period is 40 weeks (and showed her on google). She insisted that it only takes 37 weeks for the bread to be fully baked and said she trusts her doctor. Alrighty then.Actually her doctor is doing fine. The last several weeks of gestation are devoted to growth and strength, not development. My guess would be that in many pinay their small stature means they have to watch carefully to ensure the baby does not grow too big for them, and sometimes induce early to mitigate larger sized children.
WestCoast1
11-26-17, 16:09
Actually her doctor is doing fine. The last several weeks of gestation are devoted to growth and strength, not development. My guess would be that in many pinay their small stature means they have to watch carefully to ensure the baby does not grow too big for them, and sometimes induce early to mitigate larger sized children.I believe the 40 weeks is from the time of the end of the last menstruation. As it might be several weeks after the last blood until the time of insemination, the 40 weeks could easily be less or more:
The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) now recommends elective induced labor should not occur before 39 weeks gestation in response to current research evidence showing decreased fetal outcomes in induced labors and doubled risks of cesarean section. Another variable is the accuracy of the due date itself. Due dates are typically calculated from the first day of the woman's last period (LMP). However, this method is only accurate for women who have a regular 28-day cycle and ovulate on day 14. For women with long and/or irregular cycles or those who ovulate early/late, the calculated due date can be weeks off in either direction.
http://www.givingbirthnaturally.com/reasons-to-induce-labor.html
BrainDrain
11-26-17, 23:20
I believe the 40 weeks is from the time of the end of the last menstruation. As it might be several weeks after the last blood until the time of insemination, the 40 weeks could easily be less or more:
The American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG) now recommends elective induced labor should not occur before 39 weeks gestation in response to current research evidence showing decreased fetal outcomes in induced labors and doubled risks of cesarean section. Another variable is the accuracy of the due date itself. Due dates are typically calculated from the first day of the woman's last period (LMP). However, this method is only accurate for women who have a regular 28-day cycle and ovulate on day 14. For women with long and/or irregular cycles or those who ovulate early/late, the calculated due date can be weeks off in either direction.
http://www.givingbirthnaturally.com/reasons-to-induce-labor.htmlWestie I heard of recent research in which they now think that Indian (and maybe other Asian country) the gestation period is 38 weeks and that taking the baby to western term is causing issues. I can source the research if you are interested.
Just a quick question, I've scanned a few pages and don't have the time to go through discussions on taxi preferences. From what little I've read so far, Burgos is a main street for first timers with lots of bars and stuff but overpriced. The rest of the reports seem to lean towards upscale bars with and internet hookups which is not really what I'm looking for.
Are there any other options in the city, casa / brothel types or SW that I can take up to my hotel, Sukhumvit style? I lived in Manila for a couple of months 20 years ago and I remember being able to drive up to massage parlors and not having to pay more than 2500 php for full service which is generally what I prefer.
Fast Eddie 48
11-30-17, 03:30
Just a quick question, I've scanned a few pages and don't have the time to go through discussions on taxi preferences. From what little I've read so far, Burgos is a main street for first timers with lots of bars and stuff but overpriced. The rest of the reports seem to lean towards upscale bars with and internet hookups which is not really what I'm looking for.
Are there any other options in the city, casa / brothel types or SW that I can take up to my hotel, Sukhumvit style? I lived in Manila for a couple of months 20 years ago and I remember being able to drive up to massage parlors and not having to pay more than 2500 php for full service which is generally what I prefer.To Goons.
Yes 20 yr ago there are many casa and massage place all over Manila not any more, most action now days is in bar and freelance yes price is much more than 20 yr ago and than is why most monger go to AC now.
Fast Eddie 48.
Hahaha Goons. You were getting screwed 20 years ago!
WestCoast1
11-30-17, 14:56
Just a quick question, I've scanned a few pages and don't have the time to go through discussions on taxi preferences. From what little I've read so far,Read some more. There are plenty of SW on Burgos street, starting around 6 pm.
Hahaha Goons. You were getting screwed 20 years ago!Correct, and I advised him similarly via PM. And he will get screwed again, if he is not careful. I advised him to research ISG more.
Lazy mongers get lazy results. I am lazy by nature, but when it comes to sex, I lift my game, of necessity.
Hahaha and many Filipinas are even lazier than us, but when they smell "green" they accelerate up to the next level quickly.
Hahaha and many Filipinas are even lazier than us, but when they smell "green" they accelerate up to the next level quickly.And when they see green (bucks), they accelerate too.
Its human nature, regardless of the country, LOL.
Also at T3 there is a stand for Grab rides.And at T4 too.
Been in country 3 months now and time for my TR. I am retired here and have time so my strategy will not work for vacation or work trips. It is a little time consuming and takes a couple hours every day but since all I really have to do is look for pussy that is not an issue. There is also a lead time for first contact and sex. Shortest is 4 hours, longest is ongoing 6 weeks texting as we cannot get our schedules together.
I use PL and Tinder. I have established a rotating stable of about 5 girls and see one just about every night. Shelf life is about 2 to 6 weeks for a girl so always looking for a replacement.
Basically, I chat them a time or two online, ask for their number and continue on Viber or WhatsApp. I am open to a long-term relationship and let them know that but I have not found the right one. Yet.
Any asking for money, beyond transportation money before first meeting is an immediate drop. I will send a Uber or Grab on my account so I don't have to send money.
I get numbers about 40% of the women I contact. If they only come back with one-word replies I'll usually drop them. My success rate once I get a number is about 50% for first dates. It is usually me that stops the process and not the girl rejecting a meeting. Once I have the first date my success in getting them into bed is about 80%, again it is usually me that stops the process. Reasons for dropping them are if their pictures do not represent their current looks (often 4 years and 40 lbs ago LOL).
I keep my new contact rate down to just keep the pipeline full and not to burn possible dates by contacting them too soon before I could see them.
I'll also drop them if they are simply too stupid to have a decent conservation or bad in the sack.
I will date once without sex but unless she is hot it is sex second date or drops. I'll only chat over a couple weeks before first meeting or drop them. They often ask to bring a friend first date and I am OK with that.
Only once so far has anything happened with the friend. It was a 3 some with sisters who cleaned my apartment in the nude afterward. Had them back for a second visit. They wanted an allowance of 40000 total to be live in's but they were simply too stupid to even talk with so I declined. Had they been able to have a decent conservation and not wanted to watch cartoons, at high volume, when not f**king or cleaning then I might have gone for it.
Any girl that is good in bed, can have a conservation and provide enjoyable company outside the bed will go on the rotation.
I will usually give them a 1000 or 2000 for "transportation" but not often much else. My costs run about 40000 p a month for sex 25 days.
I have gone outside this routine a few times. I had a girl stay a week, then we went to a resort area for another week. She never asked for anything. I tried to give her 10000 but she refused and would only accept 5000.
On rare days when I strike out I'll go to a local massage place. Abacca is my favorite, in walking distance from my condo.
FWTW I am in my 60's and am hunting for the 20 to 35-year-old age range. Only had a couple over that, oldest so far was 41, youngest was 20.
Did chat with one on FB messenger who claimed to be 19 but her FB page said she was just short of 17th birthday. I ran from that one quickly, deleted chat and blocked contact. I stay away from less than 20 as a claimed age as the risk of then being less than 18 is too high and that young usually does not know what they want.
BaddHabbit
12-05-17, 08:21
I will date once without sex but unless she is hot it is sex second date or drops. I'll only chat over a couple weeks before first meeting or drop them. They often ask to bring a friend first date and I am OK with that.
Only once so far has anything happened with the friend. It was a 3 some with sisters who cleaned my apartment in the nude afterward. Had them back for a second visit. They wanted an allowance of 40000 total to be live in's but they were simply too stupid to even talk with so I declined. Had they been able to have a decent conservation and not wanted to watch cartoons, at high volume, when not f**king or cleaning then I might have gone for it.
Any girl that is good in bed, can have a conservation and provide enjoyable company outside the bed will go on the rotation.Fascinating, want to hear more! One question right now though. With the sisters, what time period did the requested 40,000 cover? I wonder about similar arrangements myself, but I am completely with you on the brains part. There's only so long you get value from some animatronic squishy toys.
Only once so far has anything happened with the friend. It was a 3 some with sisters who cleaned my apartment in the nude afterward. Had them back for a second visit. They wanted an allowance of 40000 total to be live in's but they were simply too stupid to even talk with so I declined. Had they been able to have a decent conservation and not wanted to watch cartoons, at high volume, when not f**king or cleaning then I might have gone for it.Another "Only In Asia" problem: when $30 a day for sister threesomes gets knocked back by a grandpa as lacking value.
Kabul, you are my hero.
Mr Enternational
12-05-17, 10:19
I use PL and Tinder. I have established a rotating stable of about 5 girls and see one just about every night. Shelf life is about 2 to 6 weeks for a girl so always looking for a replacement.That is a textbook operation you are running KG. As big as Manila is, your pool will never run short.
Bro,
Your business model is unique. A thing or two to learn from your experience. God bless dear.
Been in country 3 months now and time for my TR. I am retired here and have time so my strategy will not work for vacation or work trips. It is a little time consuming and takes a couple hours every day but since all I really have to do is look for pussy that is not an issue. There is also a lead time for first contact and sex. Shortest is 4 hours, longest is ongoing 6 weeks texting as we cannot get our schedules together.
I use PL and Tinder. I have established a rotating stable of about 5 girls and see one just about every night. Shelf life is about 2 to 6 weeks for a girl so always looking for a replacement.
Basically, I chat them a time or two online, ask for their number and continue on Viber or WhatsApp. I am open to a long-term relationship and let them know that but I have not found the right one. Yet.
Any asking for money, beyond transportation money before first meeting is an immediate drop. I will send a Uber or Grab on my account so I don't have to send money..
BrainDrain
12-05-17, 21:53
Been in country 3 months now and time for my TR. I am retired here and have time so my strategy will not work for vacation or work trips. It is a little time consuming and takes a couple hours every day but since all I really have to do is look for pussy that is not an issue. There is also a lead time for first contact and sex. Shortest is 4 hours, longest is ongoing 6 weeks texting as we cannot get our schedules together.Great retirement.
One of the many things from this is the "not contacting too many". If your roster is full then no need to be burning off good future contacts.
Happy days.
BD.
Flyboy 2000
12-06-17, 00:58
From time to time I enjoy a massage with extras – at the very least the classic 'rub and tug', although I do like the massage to be a decent massage, a real 9/10 effort, rather than this 'running her hands lightly over my body' nonsense.
If I seek out one of these in Manila, what's the typical damage for extras such as the tug or a bodyslide? I figure the massage component will be cheap as chips but the extras will quickly head north, so keen to get a real-world idea of that so they don't charge me the 'white guy' tax and I end up paying well above the mark.
Usually I favour rub'and'tugs on my home turf and as an example, using standard Aussie prices for your mid-range Asian shop, you're looking at $60/ HR massage plus $20 for the tug and an extra $30 for her to strip off, so a fully-naked tug costs almost the same ($50) as the one-hour session itself ($60). Was thinking that this ratio be a decent guide in Manila and elsewhere, but then again I'm working off a small sample here so the concept of this ratio as a rule of thumb could be way off!
Thanks guys and at SXX and Westcoast for your PM's. I've only just had time today to check in since my last post. I have a couple of hours today but I need to mix in some actual travel research, and I don't imagine having much more free time from now until late next week so every little bit is highly appreciated.
It wasn't quite 20 years ago, early 2000's and these were high end places I was talking about in my earlier post, not the random street ones in the red light areas. My local friends seemed to think the prices were good for the day, maybe the fact that Japanese businessmen were also regulars at these places drove up the prices but I would have happily paid more for the quality of the girls in some of those places.
Anyway, back to the present where I will be doing solo without much prior experience apparently based on inaccurate information. From the high number of posts regarding internet hookups, I take it the bar and SW scenes in Manila now are rather weak, or is it just a preference of the regulars to use apps? I was able to do one quick search the other day and other than Burgos, it seems the Ermita area is another place for bars and SW's which is what I'll now spend my remaining free afternoon researching in addition to doing actual travel research.
Thanks guys and at SXX and Westcoast for your PM's. I've only just had time today to check in since my last post. I have a couple of hours today but I need to mix in some actual travel research, and I don't imagine having much more free time from now until late next week so every little bit is highly appreciated.
It wasn't quite 20 years ago, early 2000's and these were high end places I was talking about in my earlier post, not the random street ones in the red light areas. My local friends seemed to think the prices were good for the day, maybe the fact that Japanese businessmen were also regulars at these places drove up the prices but I would have happily paid more for the quality of the girls in some of those places.
Anyway, back to the present where I will be doing solo without much prior experience apparently based on inaccurate information. From the high number of posts regarding internet hookups, I take it the bar and SW scenes in Manila now are rather weak, or is it just a preference of the regulars to use apps? I was able to do one quick search the other day and other than Burgos, it seems the Ermita area is another place for bars and SW's which is what I'll now spend my remaining free afternoon researching in addition to doing actual travel research.Don't forget about EDSA Entertainment in Pasay. These Gogos are a bit cheaper than Burgos. I believe most of the Ermita bars are for locals. Also, be careful of the age thing there (and everywhere else).
Note: these are just limited observations.
Makati (P Burgos): Disappointed. Way overpriced for marginal talent. Went to several bars. Not many girls at the bars. Talent was ok, but not good as it was 10 years ago. But there were couple of cuties (like the old days) at Jools that were worth the price.
EDSA: Got there around midnight. Again disappointed. Looked around. Not many girls. Talent was ok, but nothing to rave about.
LA Cafe: Spent couple of nights there. There were some decent talent there. Also many below average girls. Overall, better than I remember. But most of them are moms. I talked to 1 girl. She said that all the girls are forced to buy 1 normal priced drink for themselves. She said the customer has to buy the girl a 255 peso lady's drink if they go out with them. She said the girls don't get anything from the lady's drink. She also said that if the girl gets a lady's drink, she still has to buy the normal priced drink for themselves. IMO, that girl was above average for LA Cafe. She asks for 3000 pesos. She said she will accept 2500, but not 2000. But she said other girls will accept 2000; I asked if the other girls will accept 1500; she just giggled.
Fascinating, want to hear more! One question right now though. With the sisters, what time period did the requested 40,000 cover? I wonder about similar arrangements myself, but I am completely with you on the brains part. There's only so long you get value from some animatronic squishy toys.That was per month.
I really could not stand them in the house unless we were fucking and sucking. They were completely brainless, lacked any class or manners, loud and uncouth.
From time to time I enjoy a massage with extras at the very least the classic 'rub and tug', although I do like the massage to be a decent massage, a real 9/10 effort, rather than this 'running her hands lightly over my body' nonsense.
If I seek out one of these in Manila, what's the typical damage for extras such as the tug or a bodyslide? I figure the massage component will be cheap as chips but the extras will quickly head north, so keen to get a real-world idea of that so they don't charge me the 'white guy' tax and I end up paying well above the mark.
Usually I favour rub'and'tugs on my home turf and as an example, using standard Aussie prices for your mid-range Asian shop, you're looking at $60/ HR massage plus $20 for the tug and an extra $30 for her to strip off, so a fully-naked tug costs almost the same ($50) as the one-hour session itself ($60). Was thinking that this ratio be a decent guide in Manila and elsewhere, but then again I'm working off a small sample here so the concept of this ratio as a rule of thumb could be way off!
A straight massage is usually around 500 p or less, perhaps 750 at a high-class place. This does not vary too much with the client. Can be as low as 250 for a place that caters to locals and is off the track. (per hour)
Extra service prices are not standard. It will depend on if they think that you are just landed and they can charge closer to home country pricing than local pricing.
A good two-hour massage, great HJ release at Abacca will set up back 2000. 1200 for a one hour or 2000 for a one hour 4 hand session. This is one of the few places that have standard published pricing that I have come across. However, the attendants will not remove any clothing and do not allow any touching. (At least in my first 3 visits, not sure if you were a regular if you might get somewhere).
I have been asked as much as 4000 and 5000 for topless CBJ's. I just laughed and said I live here and the asking price drops to 2 to 3000. End up in the 1500 to 2500 range depending on how good the massage is and how good the girl looks.
Mr Enternational
12-07-17, 10:33
She said the customer has to buy the girl a 255 peso lady's drink if they go out with them. She said the girls don't get anything from the lady's drink. She also said that if the girl gets a lady's drink, she still has to buy the normal priced drink for themselves. IMO, that girl was above average for LA Cafe. She asks for 3000 pesos. She said she will accept 2500, but not 2000. But she said other girls will accept 2000; I asked if the other girls will accept 1500; she just giggled.Whenever I take a chick from LA Cafe she says she will go outside and instructs me to come out in a couple of minutes in order to avoid the drink thing. I always bargain for 1500,2000 max for LT.
Whenever I take a chick from LA Cafe she says she will go outside and instructs me to come out in a couple of minutes in order to avoid the drink thing. I always bargain for 1500,2000 max for LT.I have been going to LAC now and again for 20 years and I have never, ever been required to buy lady's drinks.
Years ago when LAC was closed down for a few months by Mayor Lim and then re-opened as MBC, there was a suggestion (unwritten of course), that girls had to have a drink in front of them so that they appeared as though they were simply customers in a genuine bar / cafe having a drink. Sitting there with no drink made it obvious they were waiting for someone to pick them up. I also assume that LAC probably decided that they needed to get something back from the freelancers even though their main purpose was to lure guys into the bar hence the requirement to have to buy a drink.
Girls probably spin all sorts of stories to get newbies to buy them a drink. I have never been compelled to buy a drink for a girl. No girl has ever knocked back my offer of a drink either LOL.
Mr E's prices for LT are what I pay for ST because I never want LT.
Note: these are just limited observations.
Makati (P Burgos): Disappointed. Way overpriced for marginal talent. Went to several bars. Not many girls at the bars. Talent was ok, but not good as it was 10 years ago. But there were couple of cuties (like the old days) at Jools that were worth the price.
EDSA: Got there around midnight. Again disappointed. Looked around. Not many girls. Talent was ok, but nothing to rave about.
LA Cafe: Spent couple of nights there. There were some decent talent there. Also many below average girls. Overall, better than I remember. But most of them are moms.Spot on. Lot of bad talent and mothers about compared to previous years. One must really sift through the crud to find any gems these days. Mongers who aren't super picky are still in heaven, however.
Girls probably spin all sorts of stories to get newbies to buy them a drink. I have never been compelled to buy a drink for a girl. No girl has ever knocked back my offer of a drink either LOL.I was wondering if the girl really didn't get anything from the lady's drink. If you want to find out anything, you have to ask many different girls the same question.
Since you seem to be the gentlemen type, I am assuming you always bought a drink to every girl you pulled from LA Cafe. Did you pay the lady's drink price of 255 pesos or the normal price?
Did some RTFF this afternoon, I did not find much more in reading 30+ pages going back to March of this year. Mostly threads about LAC and how Amazonia closed, more taxi threads and some even posting in length about their delayed flights without any sex details. I did find a couple of threads on massage places but not a whole lot, I think places like Kremlins and Flight168 are more my thing but I'll try LAC and maybe Havana if I get to Makati.
I still have not found stuff on SW's and especially around Malate and Ermita which is where I'll be staying. I'm mostly interested in the safety aspect as well as the particular locations if any of you are able to provide them. I'm always careful but can I be sure that pimps and touts in these areas aren't setting me up for some kind of scam which is known to happen in the Phils.
I think someone mentioned many KTV bars or regular bars in Ermita and Malate are geared towards locals. I wonder if I might try my luck as I often get mistaken for a local pretty much everywhere I've been in Asia. I find this usually works for me except for in Thailand where just a couple of months ago I was carded and almost denied entry at two bars in Soi Cowboy and two massage places around Soi 24 I tried to enter.
I have been going to LAC now and again for 20 years and I have never, ever been required to buy lady's drinks.
Years ago when LAC was closed down for a few months by Mayor Lim and then re-opened as MBC, there was a suggestion (unwritten of course), that girls had to have a drink in front of them so that they appeared as though they were simply customers in a genuine bar / cafe having a drink. Sitting there with no drink made it obvious they were waiting for someone to pick them up. I also assume that LAC probably decided that they needed to get something back from the freelancers even though their main purpose was to lure guys into the bar hence the requirement to have to buy a drink.
Girls probably spin all sorts of stories to get newbies to buy them a drink. I have never been compelled to buy a drink for a girl. No girl has ever knocked back my offer of a drink either LOL.
Same experience. I remember the girls all ordering a bottle of water that they'd nurse for 10 hours, and some where bringing in their own water. MBC (then named) somehow got a water bottler to put MBC labels on the water or maybe did so themselves. Later came the push of the waitress asking if you wanted to order a drink for the girl, and the waitress would turn the menu page to the shakes. The girls will drink pretty much whatever you order for them, be it San Mig or rum cokes. I've never had the experience of being told to go outside first and wait for the girl. Perhaps she doesn't want to be seen leaving with the fella so the drink story is convenient excuse.
Since you seem to be the gentlemen type, I am assuming you always bought a drink to every girl you pulled from LA Cafe. Did you pay the lady's drink price of 255 pesos or the normal price?Again, I think they have hood-winked you.
There's no lady drink price. They just ordered one of the expensive double-priced drinks (fresh fruit-based things). If she wants one of them, just say no, have one of these (and point to the regular priced beer or sodas).
Wicked Roger
12-08-17, 05:37
Same experience. I remember the girls all ordering a bottle of water that they'd nurse for 10 hours, and some where bringing in their own water. MBC (then named) somehow got a water bottler to put MBC labels on the water or maybe did so themselves. Later came the push of the waitress asking if you wanted to order a drink for the girl, and the waitress would turn the menu page to the shakes. The girls will drink pretty much whatever you order for them, be it San Mig or rum cokes. I've never had the experience of being told to go outside first and wait for the girl. Perhaps she doesn't want to be seen leaving with the fella so the drink story is convenient excuse.I have read the MBC / LAC drinks issue with a smile. I went there once, was appalled at what I saw and vowed never to return. So for me the best way to avoid MBC / LAC lady drinks is not to go there as why buy a drink for a fugly LOL. Now I know we all see beauty differently and that in my view.
But I have never returned and would go Havana or clubs or go to Cebu and see regulars and their friends who they would bring along, buy cheap wine in Metro and they were happy (as you say Huts the girls will drink pretty much what you have in stock as long they drink my regular protein shake during the day as well LOL).
SeaTraveler
12-09-17, 03:24
This would be the dream life for me in 2 - 3 years.
Continued Good Luck and God Bless!
Been in country 3 months now and time for my TR. I am retired here and have time so my strategy will not work for vacation or work trips. It is a little time consuming and takes a couple hours every day but since all I really have to do is look for pussy that is not an issue. There is also a lead time for first contact and sex. Shortest is 4 hours, longest is ongoing 6 weeks texting as we cannot get our schedules together.
FWTW I am in my 60's and am hunting for the 20 to 35-year-old age range. Only had a couple over that, oldest so far was 41, youngest was 20.
I still have not found stuff on SW's and especially around Malate and Ermita which is where I'll be staying. I'm mostly interested in the safety aspect as well as the particular locations if any of you are able to provide them. I'm always careful but can I be sure that pimps and touts in these areas aren't setting me up for some kind of scam which is known to happen in the Phils.You have four options for street walkers in this area.
1) Behind Malate Church at the southwest corner of Remedios St and Del Pilar St (the corner right behind the church). At night you can usually see a handful of girls on the corner.
2) Walking between G Point and LA Cafe. That's Padre Faura, Mabini, and Salas streets. This is onesey twosey girls. You'll also get the assorted lone fella trying to sell flowers, fake viagra, etc. Watch out for pick pockets. Ladyboys also wandering around.
3) Robinson's shopping mall. Late afternoon and evening girls will be outside the Starbucks.
4) Harrison Plaza. This is wandering around inside the mall during the afternoon and evening. The girls will make direct eye contact and stare.
I think someone mentioned many KTV bars or regular bars in Ermita and Malate are geared towards locals. I wonder if I might try my luck as I often get mistaken for a local pretty much everywhere I've been in Asia.I think most in the area are geared to the East Asian customer. These are all over the area; the greatest concentration are on Mabini and Adriatico streets between Robinson's and Remedios Circle. I'm not a karaoke fan so it doesn't appeal to me, and it's also a rip off, but I visit a few times a year with friends. Those I've been to work on the 'consumable' business model where you pay between p600 to p800 per person for 90 minutes of unlimited cheap booze (beer, soju, and Emperador brandy typically) plus the she-sits-with-you-at-the-table fee, called a request fee, starting at p300 per girl per hour (and can go up) and the cost of the girl's drinks; she'll kick one back in 10 to 15 minutes, and they run from p350 to p500 each. You can extend your stay by hour increments of p400 to p500, again consumable. You may find a 10% service fee and tax added to the bill too. Smaller places tend to be one room with a small stage and the girls take turns singing. Larger places have private KTV rooms; these VIP rooms are p1000 to p1500. Some hire these dance troupes to come in and put on a show. BTW, the places that appeal to Pinoys are in QC, Marikina, Las Pinas, etc.
If you want a Filipino experience in Malate / Ermita you're looking for videoke. From LA Cafe go south on Del Pilar heading toward the zoo. The neighbourhood vibe will change; the bars and KTVs will be behind you and you'll find cheaper Pinoy places.
Hey there folks,
I have come across a college going group of girls who are looking for group fun. Any bro want to join me tomorrow night?
PM me for further details.
Sid.
Flyboy 2000
12-13-17, 01:11
Robinson's shopping mall. Late afternoon and evening girls will be outside the Starbucks.I dropped into Robinson's for a bite to eat and to check out this aspect of the Manila scene and yep, plenty of girls around. They stand at or wander around the forecourt area, with Starbucks off to one side, and their radar is on and always scanning. As a single guy in the mall, maybe just standing against one of the pillars at the forecourt and checking your phone, all you need to do is make the briefest eye contact and they'll wander your way.
I also found quite a few older women walking around with girls and offering them up– again, you just make some eye contact and they'll come up and the older woman will ask if you want company, want a girl. Now we all know how Asians can look younger than their years, and this seems to be doubly so for some Pinays – I'd swear that these ones looked mid-teens.
Also, just waiting outside the mall for an Uber, the same happened– you'll see several young ladies by themselves or with a friend headed into the mall and again, as they walk past, a little eye contact sets things up. Also some ladies standing around by themselves and 'scanning' away, plus some of the older women asking if you want a girl from them.
In short, if this is what you seek, plenty of opportunity at Robinson's.
CoolHotBoy777
12-13-17, 08:14
Hey there folks,
I have come across a college going group of girls who are looking for group fun. Any bro want to join me tomorrow night?
PM me for further details.
Sid.Interested, I also PMed you! I am here for few more days would love to explore the clubs along if you want.
You have four options for street walkers in this area.I've stayed in this area a couple of times but I was not impressed by the quality of the SWs.
You can better try your luck in LAC or WeChat and Badoo.
You have four options for street walkers in this area.
1) Behind Malate Church at the southwest corner of Remedios St and Del Pilar St (the corner right behind the church). At night you can usually see a handful of girls on the corner.
2) Walking between G Point and LA Cafe. That's Padre Faura, Mabini, and Salas streets. This is onesey twosey girls. You'll also get the assorted lone fella trying to sell flowers, fake viagra, etc. Watch out for pick pockets. Ladyboys also wandering around.
3) Robinson's shopping mall. Late afternoon and evening girls will be outside the Starbucks.
4) Harrison Plaza. This is wandering around inside the mall during the afternoon and evening. The girls will make direct eye contact and stare.I've wandered the first three areas and it's hit or miss.
Be careful as there are many scams:
1) Never pay up front.
2) Don't pay up front any commission to touts (mamasans or papasans) - Negotiate with the girl directly if possible.
3) Take only 1 girl that you like if conditions 1 & 2 are met. (They always tell you how 2 of them will take care of you and blah, blah and blah).
4) Tell her exactly what you want / expect.
5) Be prepare to walk.
Been proposition many times with pay tout 500 peso first and then we go to room. For a very inexpensive romp, but when I said I pay after the deed. No deal.
Mr Enternational
12-15-17, 18:11
I found the girls at Havana to be prettier than LA Cafe for sure, but the prices are also higher. I ended up giving her 4000 for a quality ST.Is 4K ST a usual price for Havana? I am a regular LAC guy since I usually stay in Ermita, but I will be staying in Resorts World tomorrow and I wanted to hit up Havana and Burgos. But if that is a normal price, I will have my ass back at LAC or either on Wechat, Tinder, or Badoo.
I've stayed in this area a couple of times but I was not impressed by the quality of the SWs.
You can better try your luck in LAC or WeChat and Badoo.At best it's acceptable; it's generally not good, especially those behind Malate Church and wandering the streets between G Point and LA. The street wanderers have usually been kicked out of LA and G Point for shabu-induced rude behaviour, violence, and / or theft committed against staff and other freelancers. Also, I forgot to mention there are a few who wander near Southern Cross.
Maverick4979
12-20-17, 11:34
Hello everyone,
I've been staying in Manila for last 3 years and went through the usual cycle of P Burgos then Pasay then high end bars.
Lately I have got all my requirements fulfilled by Tinder and FB. Usually meet the girl only once and rarely twice.
Always in Victoria Court. It's easier for me and more secure in my humble opinion.
I will share the FRs here on.
The latest one being first.
Met this girl through FB. All details discussed on FB messenger. Took her for overnight trip to one of the resorts in Batangas. Damages 8 K. Service 7/10. (She slept off snoring after first round). She also left FR for me to be put up on FB group.
Please PM for any details.
I have an 18 hour connection at NAIA soon so I'm staying at the Belmont Hotel opposite Terminal 3.
Any reputable outcall agencies that can send a girl to my room? I will be tired after arriving from the USA so don't want to venture out. Just get a girl sent to my room.
ShimShimHeyo
12-24-17, 16:51
I have an 18 hour connection at NAIA soon so I'm staying at the Belmont Hotel opposite Terminal 3.
Any reputable outcall agencies that can send a girl to my room? I will be tired after arriving from the USA so don't want to venture out. Just get a girl sent to my room.Manila Courtesans.
Prices are higher than bargirls but they will outcall directly to your room. Photos are generally accurate and booking is easy. YMMV on service / girl.
PedroMorales
12-24-17, 20:27
At best it's acceptable; it's generally not good, especially those behind Malate Church and wandering the streets between G Point and LA. The street wanderers have usually been kicked out of LA and G Point for shabu-induced rude behaviour, violence, and / or theft committed against staff and other freelancers. Also, I forgot to mention there are a few who wander near Southern Cross.I have picked up skanks I previously spoke to in LA Cafe. That stuff about street walkers being on a lower plane than LA Cafe and bars is nonsense. They are all uneducated rice farmers' daughters and all of those I met went bareback. I prefer wandering the streets (in safety) than stuck in LA Cafe with Koreans who flaunt money to impress hookers.
The back of Malate Church is indeed iffy. I had a knife flashed at me there. The front of Malate Church early evening can bring better luck if your eyes are open.
Maverick4979
01-03-18, 10:23
This is a 2 month old FR.
Connected with this girl on Tinder. After usual flirting she accepted that she is SP. Asked for 5 K but agreed for 4.
Picked her up at Burgos Circle and went to VC Pasig. Very good body. Unlike typical Filipinos this one was blessed both in front and back.
Body 7/10.
Eagerness to please 9/10.
WIR. Unlikely since Unusually don't repeat.
Damages - 4 K + 0.5 K Tip.
Alright you monger, I just finished booking my trip to Manila. I have to do a business trip to Tokyo but instead of taking my time there I am going to get the hell out ASAP and fly direct to Manila for four nights of fun. I haven't been there before, and the only times I've mongered in Asia was last year in Shanghai and 15 years ago in Hong Kong. I'm normally mongering in Eastern Europe, so this is something a little different.
Of course I will be RTFFing, already made it about 10 pages into what looks to be a fairly active board here. My trip dates are April 10 and leaving April 14, so if any of you crazies want to meet for a beer or two and talk shop, let me know. Meanwhile I will be diving into the Reports of Distinction.
Peace,
ASUDevil1.
Dion Cassius
01-05-18, 11:06
Manila Courtesans.
Prices are higher than bargirls but they will outcall directly to your room. Photos are generally accurate and booking is easy. YMMV on service / girl.I agree. I have used their services once and was very pleased. But they are not more expensive than the bar girls from Burgos.
Charm City Dave
01-05-18, 22:20
That lets me change my location. Hitting Manila, AC, Siem Riep, Pattaya, Kuala Lampur and Jakarta on this trip so will be interesting to see how much talent I can line up in advance. Will be in Manila 11th (late) through 14th before heading to AC and hope to hit the ground running (or rutting as the case may be). If anyone is around let me know.
This is a 2 month old FR.
Connected with this girl on Tinder. After usual flirting she accepted that she is SP. Asked for 5 K but agreed for 4.
Picked her up at Burgos Circle and went to VC Pasig. Very good body. Unlike typical Filipinos this one was blessed both in front and back.
Body 7/10.
Eagerness to please 9/10.
WIR. Unlikely since Unusually don't repeat.
Damages - 4 K + 0.5 K Tip.
I have picked up skanks I previously spoke to in LA Cafe. That stuff about street walkers being on a lower plane than LA Cafe and bars is nonsense. They are all uneducated rice farmers' daughters and all of those I met went bareback. I prefer wandering the streets (in safety) than stuck in LA Cafe with Koreans who flaunt money to impress hookers.
The back of Malate Church is indeed iffy. I had a knife flashed at me there. The front of Malate Church early evening can bring better luck if your eyes are open.Where are some other good spots for street hunting in Manila?
MohdirFan82
01-06-18, 03:20
4500/49.5 = Almost 100 $.
I every now and then get very good lays in US for this prove.
I usually don't pay more then 2.5 k if Non-pro. And I hardly ever do pros or SP in Phills.
Just my 2 cents.
This is a 2 month old FR.
Connected with this girl on Tinder. After usual flirting she accepted that she is SP. Asked for 5 K but agreed for 4.
Picked her up at Burgos Circle and went to VC Pasig. Very good body. Unlike typical Filipinos this one was blessed both in front and back.
Body 7/10.
Eagerness to please 9/10.
WIR. Unlikely since Unusually don't repeat.
Damages - 4 K + 0.5 K Tip.
I have an 18 hour connection at NAIA soon so I'm staying at the Belmont Hotel opposite Terminal 3.
Any reputable outcall agencies that can send a girl to my room? I will be tired after arriving from the USA so don't want to venture out. Just get a girl sent to my room.Don't be a wimp. Venture out. It is medicinal to get the blood pumping in all areas of the body to avoid DVT.
Once you have done long hauls several times, you will find that sessions can be squeezed in on 5 hour lay overs in some cities with airports close to the city.
Where are some other good spots for street hunting in Manila?I wouldn't call it good, but I used to pick up skanks on EDSA just across from Taft Station, on the south side of EDSA and somewhat east. There were a few SW's hanging around there. They take you to a quite bad ST hotel where you have to sign a piece of paper that you accept the condition of the room (it was very bad). I think I used to give the chicks 300 to 500 pesos from memory. Only for the low end mongerer.
PedroMorales
01-06-18, 13:49
I wouldn't call it good, but I used to pick up skanks on EDSA just across from Taft Station, on the south side of EDSA and somewhat east. There were a few SW's hanging around there. They take you to a quite bad ST hotel where you have to sign a piece of paper that you accept the condition of the room (it was very bad). I think I used to give the chicks 300 to 500 pesos from memory. Only for the low end mongerer.
Where are some other good spots for street hunting in Manila?Makati's Burgos Street.
Greenbelt 3. Greenbelt is the name of a shopping complex / area, take a taxi. Entrance 3: Starbucks (near Glorietta's, and opposite Shangri-la) and the area near Starbucks is a freelance scene.
Outside Isetan mall there cute princesses want 600 pesos, gets busy; ate afternoon mostlu for Filipino men or guys who are not stoopid.
Glorietta Shopping Mall is also worth a shot, as it were.
Robinson's Mall: Starbucks and bottom of escalaots: security may have kicked them out. There is a short time hotel just across the street, handy for boning them. There is a sleazier, cheaper one where I had a memorable gang bang a few minutes' walk away. Skanks will know where they are.
Hotel Rotondondo, near EDSA, is touching WG nirvana. Pretty low grade.
Pinoys: can be a nuisance in their (cheaper) areas so I'll omit them.
Wicked Roger
01-06-18, 23:53
Don't be a wimp. Venture out. It is medicinal to get the blood pumping in all areas of the body to avoid DVT.
Once you have done long hauls several times, you will find that sessions can be squeezed in on 5 hour lay overs in some cities with airports close to the city.Agree Bushes as there is lots of action around there if you look hard enough - 18 hours is enough for 3 sessions if you don't sleep of course.
But sadly Seattle29 has yet to post his FR on his layover and his previous post was about his niece in Singapore who he says would give him her ass as he would out her otherwise. That was June 2017 so seems he likes to ask about things rather than share?
Makati's Burgos Street.
Greenbelt 3. Greenbelt is the name of a shopping complex / area, take a taxi. Entrance 3: Starbucks (near Glorietta's, and opposite Shangri-la) and the area near Starbucks is a freelance scene.
Outside Isetan mall there cute princesses want 600 pesos, gets busy; ate afternoon mostlu for Filipino men or guys who are not stoopid.
Glorietta Shopping Mall is also worth a shot, as it were.
Robinson's Mall: Starbucks and bottom of escalaots: security may have kicked them out. There is a short time hotel just across the street, handy for boning them. There is a sleazier, cheaper one where I had a memorable gang bang a few minutes' walk away. Skanks will know where they are.
Hotel Rotondondo, near EDSA, is touching WG nirvana. Pretty low grade.
Pinoys: can be a nuisance in their (cheaper) areas so I'll omit them.Don't forget about Recto! Skanky SW's (but I have found very doable ones, 25 years old approx). Go to Carriedo station, then head north on Recto, they are on the west side Recto, usually with a mamasan.
Question about your post "Outside Isetan mall there cute princesses want 600 pesos, gets busy; ate afternoon mostlu for Filipino men or guys who are not stoopid. ".
I have walked all around this mall and found nothing a few times. Can you be a little more specific please as to where they hang around? This is a huge mall with many levels and many entrances. Appreciated!
4500/49.5 = Almost 100 $.
I every now and then get very good lays in US for this prove.
I usually don't pay more then 2.5 k if Non-pro. And I hardly ever do pros or SP in Phills.
Just my 2 cents.So where can one find decent 18-21 yo non-mothers for 2-3 k in Manila nowadays in the P4 P scene? Burgos and EDSA are too expensive, LA Cafe is a dog pound, the casas are crap, Malate KTV's are tease joints with no sex on offer, escort services are expensive.
So where can one find decent 18-21 yo non-mothers for 2-3 k in Manila nowadays in the P4 P scene? Burgos and EDSA are too expensive, LA Cafe is a dog pound, the casas are crap, Malate KTV's are tease joints with no sex on offer, escort services are expensive.Why non mothers? Do you want them to be a professional cook as well? You're rooting them not fathering their kids.
Anyway you won't find this unless you go online and put in some work or roam the malls asking random girls.
Member #4698
01-09-18, 06:29
So where can one find decent 18-21 yo non-mothers for 2-3 k in Manila nowadays in the P4 P scene? Burgos and EDSA are too expensive, LA Cafe is a dog pound, the casas are crap, Malate KTV's are tease joints with no sex on offer, escort services are expensive.On my last visit to Manila, after a fair amount of wandering around Burgos, which I kind of enjoy, I found a very attractive barely 18-year-old spinner "massage" girl on Burgos St. YMMV and if you are selective like me, you will most likely have to walk around for a while, maybe break the hunt up and spend a little time in a bar or two, and then start street hunting some more, but I assure you that there are some very attractive, better than just decent looking, young, non-mothers out there waiting to make your acquaintance. The Burgos St. massage girls all want 2000 to 2500 for ST. I am hooked on the venue and I am really looking forward to my next visit to Makati and meeting some more young cuties on the street among the many pleasures that Manila has to offer.
P.S. I agree with you about the shortage of quality found at LA Cafe these days, but even there, if you have patience and perseverance, you just might find a keeper. But my feeling about LA Cafe is such that I won't bother to go out of my way to hang out there anymore. It's just not worth it to me, but if I am in the neighborhood and it is too late for EDSA, ha ha, that's another story. Same same with Havana Cafe in Greenbelt. I will stop by there at the appropriate time only if I am in the neighborhood and I have some free time on my hands. Usually there aren't any girls there that catch my eye.
On my last visit to Manila, after a fair amount of wandering around Burgos, which I kind of enjoy, I found a very attractive barely 18-year-old spinner "massage" girl on Burgos St. YMMV and if you are selective like me, you will most likely have to walk around for a while, maybe break the hunt up and spend a little time in a bar or two, and then start street hunting some more, but I assure you that there are some very attractive, better than just decent looking, young, non-mothers out there waiting to make your acquaintance. The Burgos St. massage girls all want 2000 to 2500 for ST. I am hooked on the venue and I am really looking forward to my next visit to Makati and meeting some more young cuties on the street among the many pleasures that Manila has to offer.
.I agree that pounding the pavement can yield some good results, but is there anything in the whole city (bar, massage, brothel, etc.) where one can go to see a selection and point and fuck a decent looking 18-20 yo for 2-3 k? Or is this a thing of the past? My last few visits to Manila have yielded much lower quality than previous years at my budget. It's starting to feel a bit like BKK now. Overpriced and worse quality.
Nice recon, don't usually worry about past posts. Could squeeze in 3 sessions in my younger days but have to slow down now.
Actually never looked at whether bags can be checked through on a long layover nowadays. It was ok in June last year. I ran into some problems with the US airlines recently because bags cannot be checked in until 3 hours before departure. It was not a big deal as long as laptops and electronic devices are still allowed. It is getting to be a real pain as rules are constantly changing.
Agree Bushes as there is lots of action around there if you look hard enough - 18 hours is enough for 3 sessions if you don't sleep of course.
But sadly Seattle29 has yet to post his FR on his layover and his previous post was about his niece in Singapore who he says would give him her ass as he would out her otherwise. That was June 2017 so seems he likes to ask about things rather than share?
I agree that pounding the pavement can yield some good results, but is there anything in the whole city (bar, massage, brothel, etc.) where one can go to see a selection and point and fuck a decent looking 18-20 yo for 2-3 k? Or is this a thing of the past? My last few visits to Manila have yielded much lower quality than previous years at my budget. It's starting to feel a bit like BKK now. Overpriced and worse quality.It takes some time to set up but I am having good luck in that age and price range from the dating sites.
Was in P Burgos street just after Christmas and was pleasantly surprised as to how busy it was (I previously had the impression that most girls returned to Samar and other places at that time). Always start my night at Cafe Cubana, which is on the ground floor of the Royal Bellagio Hotel and a great place to watch the world go by and get ones orientation. It is open 24 hours and the service is great although prices are much higher than nearby restaurants.
Headed across the street to Plan be which plays great music, has a line up of pretty dancers, and you can be assured that you will be surrounded by girls asking for a lady drink (from memory at least 300 pesos) so it is easy to run up a tab quite quickly. It was quite busy but then always is busier than most other bars.
Then had one drink in Bottoms which was low key.
Next stop was Bourbon where I was the only customer and was told that I was their saviour. Bourbon are open to requests for music and they genuinely make an effort to please.
Then went to Rascals, a little further up P. Burgos. Hardly anyone in there but the girls were older and less persistent about lady drinks than Plan be.
Met a woman I really liked and agreed that we would meet at Cafe Cubana after 4 am. She duly arrived at the scheduled time.
Bar fines appeared to be the same at 3,900 pesos + extra for the girl so if you visit a few bars and buy lady drinks, and then bar fine later you could get through 8,000 - 9,000 pesos.
WestCoast1
01-09-18, 13:26
I agree that pounding the pavement can yield some good results, but is there anything in the whole city (bar, massage, brothel, etc.) where one can go to see a selection and point and fuck a decent looking 18-20 yo for 2-3 k? Or is this a thing of the past? My last few visits to Manila have yielded much lower quality than previous years at my budget. It's starting to feel a bit like BKK now. Overpriced and worse quality.I think its a thing of the past. A few months ago on Burgos street I got an offer by a mid-30's so-so for a 3 some with herself and a hottie she had standing with her, so I took them. The so-so would later turn out to be a provider. She can get what I want (similar to your needs), but because she takes a large cut and because young hotties go for more, she's wanting 3-4 k and offering her cuties for no more than 60 or 90 minutes. Most of the girls she provides are not street girls.
The alternative is to walk into bars with pretty girls, but you can double that amount with barfine and tip. Speaking of bars, the girls in the bars run the gamut from hot to fuggly (larger % leaning towards fuggly these days). Walked into Bourbon last week, 10 pm, only customer, 5 fugglies on stage with big bellies, not a cutie in the bunch. However several cutie dancers in Go Bananas and a bevy of modest late 20's GRO's to hang with you.
Was in Mirrors a few months ago with one of my provincial regulars. The place was packed with 20+ girls, not a fuggly among them, and it was a rockin' party atmosphere. Same bar last week saw quite a change. Different management (new mamas introduced herself and her management staff to me (all Bicolana, and she was proud of that and brought over 2 stage girls who were also from Bicol), 8 girls, only 1 cutie. WTF happened to the place? One drink and out.
Side note to the above provider. She brought me a cutie last week for 2500 (I had to bargain to move the provider from 60 to 90 minutes). After the ditty as we were showering together I asked her how much of the 2500 the mama would get. "She get one-five, I get one thousand". Really. "Yes its not enough. So hard. I am the one who should get one-five, not her". You're right. Lets cut her out next time sweetie. Are you ok to 2 k for 3 hours? "Yes of course. And I can overnight for 3 thousand". And the following night we cut the provider out. A trip to Cowboy Grille for pizza and SML made the cutie happy and after she made me happy evening and morning and stayed for breakfast. A gem, and she is the second looker to cut the provider out.
Second side note: Street girls on Burgos quote 2k for ST, but many of them are average looking or older. They quickly agree to 1500 for 2 hours (or longer). Much of the haggling goes on in txt message, after she's handed me a card or exchanged phone numbers.
After reading the report here, I decided to take a walk there last night. P Burgos was crowded. After an hour, ended back at Bottoms, watching a tourist get fleeced! Ah. Youth.
Maverick4979
01-17-18, 12:41
Last Friday setup time with a girl met on Facebook. She had a ready do and don't list.
We agreed for meeting in VC Pasig. She insisted that she will come in only after seeing the room key pic in my hand. Felt weird but due to previous chats was convinced.
She came in promptly on time. Broken English but eager to please. Except for stretch marks nothing wrong with the girl.
Started with WOT, followed by Doggy. Took a break in the jacuzzi in the room. Another round in Jacuzzi itself.
Body- 7.
Willing to please- 9.
WIR. Don't usually return to same one. But if in crunch then maybe.
Damages- 3.5 K. 3 hours. + Hotel for 2.2.
Just left some fellow travellers at the LA Cafe. It is good that some places are still dependable for a good time, whether or not you do take out.
JamesBlack007
01-26-18, 04:35
Great report! Question, I see many post about meeting women on FB, how? Is there a group?
Last Friday setup time with a girl met on Facebook. She had a ready do and don't list.
We agreed for meeting in VC Pasig. She insisted that she will come in only after seeing the room key pic in my hand. Felt weird but due to previous chats was convinced.
She came in promptly on time. Broken English but eager to please. Except for stretch marks nothing wrong with the girl.
Started with WOT, followed by Doggy. Took a break in the jacuzzi in the room. Another round in Jacuzzi itself.
Body- 7.
Willing to please- 9.
WIR. Don't usually return to same one. But if in crunch then maybe.
Damages- 3.5 K. 3 hours. + Hotel for 2.2.
JamesBlack007
01-26-18, 23:42
Leveled up last night.
6 pm massage girl delivered via we chat (spinner, had to be gentle with her) 2.3 k.
8 pm freelance from LA Cafe, found her within 10 secs of sitting down. (Best Paid lay award) 2. 5 k will be a freebie repeater great ROI side note: Best BBBJ CIM award goes to a freelancer in AC a few trips back from high society. 1.5 k wish I still had her contact.
11 pm went back to LA Cafe, so many women but only 1 worth pursuing. (Best Butt and legs award, been missing the US quality "slim thick" look and feel) 2 k should be a freebie repeater can't confirm just yet.
WorldWideScout
01-27-18, 07:50
What are the "cheapest" neighborhoods for ST. Burgos Street is high cost right? Anyone done a ST lately and know the general price and where? Trying to plan where to stay, and to see if a bus ride to AC is worth it. I've only got like 17 days in town.
What are the "cheapest" neighborhoods for ST. Burgos Street is high cost right? Anyone done a ST lately and know the general price and where? Trying to plan where to stay, and to see if a bus ride to AC is worth it. I've only got like 17 days in town.Streetwalkers in Malate and Ermita. See post #15945 and up.
What are the "cheapest" neighborhoods for ST. Burgos Street is high cost right? Anyone done a ST lately and know the general price and where? Trying to plan where to stay, and to see if a bus ride to AC is worth it. I've only got like 17 days in town.I would say Malate and Ermita areas. Cubao is also good if you have online walkers connection.
WorldWideScout
01-27-18, 19:50
Streetwalkers in Malate and Ermita. See post #15945 and up.AWESOME! Thanks for the post # reference!
WorldWideScout
01-29-18, 21:14
LOL walk downstairs and pick up chix? Anyone tried staying here?
Soapy Smith
01-30-18, 07:54
LOL walk downstairs and pick up chix? Anyone tried staying here?Delbosque reported that Burger King at the Adriaticio entrance to the mall is a good vantage point for girls going in and out of the mall, and the Adriatico entrance is right beside the condos. So why not take one for the team? Check out the condos, duplicate Delbosque's exploration at Burger King, and then report back what you learn.
Delbosque reported that Burger King at the Adriaticio entrance to the mall is a good vantage point for girls going in and out of the mall, and the Adriatico entrance is right beside the condos. So why not take one for the team? Check out the condos, duplicate Delbosque's exploration at Burger King, and then report back what you learn.The WGs patrol the area inside between the Pedro Gil entrance, the escalators, Starbucks and Marks & Spencer.
If you cannot recognize them you shouldn't be allowed out alone.
Risky to try those simply entering near Burger King as that's a regular entrance. I have never seen WGs loitering near there but I will have another look tomorrow when I am there.
Mr Enternational
01-30-18, 09:52
The WGs patrol the area inside between the Pedro Gil entrance, the escalators, Starbucks and Marks & Spencer.
If you cannot recognize them you shouldn't be allowed out alone.
Risky to try those simply entering near Burger King as that's a regular entrance. I have never seen WGs loitering near there but I will have another look tomorrow when I am there.Maybe I should not be allowed out alone then. I am at the mall right now and although I am here with a chick I still haven't seen shit. Yesterday I sat outside right in front of Burger King waiting for a chick and I didn't see anything then either. Just regular old people. I have been here several times over the past years and only yesterday I realized how big the place is. For some reason I thought it was much smaller and only 2 floors.
WestCoast1
01-30-18, 11:18
Maybe I should not be allowed out alone then. I am at the mall right now and although I am here with a chick I still haven't seen shit. Yesterday I sat outside right in front of Burger King waiting for a chick and I didn't see anything then either. Just regular old people. I have been here several times over the past years and only yesterday I realized how big the place is. For some reason I thought it was much smaller and only 2 floors.If I understand the orientation of the picture, the Pedro Gil entrance is just to the left of the photographer, with the escalators just to the right. That's the correct area, by 11 am there are usually 1-2-3 girls patrolling in that area near the escalators (sometimes with an older mama). They are usually not much to look at, their IPO is usually stated at 1500 or 2000 for ST, and they quickly accept the countered 1000.
Mr Enternational
01-30-18, 11:49
Okay guys I think I got the hang of it now. Me and the chick I am with (met her at LAC last time) are sitting outside (inside the mall) at Starbucks and she said this is indeed the place.
There are only a couple of stragglers standing around, but they are mixed in with people tapping into Starbuck's wifi. There are also a couple of foreign guys standing around doing nothing as well. One chick (red shirt) was standing for the longest then a foreign guy came up to her and she quickly did a 180 turn away from him. Me and my chick cracked up laughing. Here are a couple of pics.
Update: I really have it down now. As we are walking toward Pedro Gil, chicks walking the other direction are staring at me. It is so hilarious. The chick said she is going to leave me in the middle of the mall and see if chicks come up to me.
Update: I really have it down now. As we are walking toward Pedro Gil, chicks walking the other direction are staring at me. It is so hilarious. The chick said she is going to leave me in the middle of the mall and see if chicks come up to me.Yep you've got it right now Mr E.
Note to newbies (with eyes like deer caught in headlights) - not every girl is a WG. This area is also a rendezvous point where guys and gals wait to meet bonafide friends.
Watch carefully so you don't hit on someone who might make a fuss.
If an observer cannot pick the WGs, then refer to my comment in Post #15987.
It's not a sure-fire thing. Some days there are many girls; other days there are none (a bit like Ayala Mall in Cebu).
Some days there are only fuglies.
Last week I saw one of these girls (fat, not so ugly). She was the only one there. A middle-eastern gent approached her and 2 minutes later they were off to the races.
If you wish to be discreet and not provide entertainment to those watching from Starbucks, you can smile, keep walking but maintain eye contact and point upstairs, and take the escalator.
Wait at the top in front of Arya.
Most times she will come up, and you can negotiate out of the spotlight.
WorldWideScout
01-30-18, 19:44
I think I will! Will be Angeles first for a bit, but will keep you posted!
Delbosque reported that Burger King at the Adriaticio entrance to the mall is a good vantage point for girls going in and out of the mall, and the Adriatico entrance is right beside the condos. So why not take one for the team? Check out the condos, duplicate Delbosque's exploration at Burger King, and then report back what you learn.
I think I will! Will be Angeles first for a bit, but will keep you posted!Read Posts 16016 to 16020 first before you waste your time at BK.
Mr Enternational
01-31-18, 12:17
I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.
Still no chicks in front of Burger King; just a bunch of people waiting on their rides. There were 2 or 3 hookers in front of Starbucks a while ago when I was inside. 2 were for sure the same ones from yesterday. I am just here waiting on a DIA chick.
I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.
Brilliant M O Mr E. You did very well.
These guys are everywhere in Robinson's Malate. I have had several of them. The last one I played with him for a while too. I told him I was an Australian undercover policeman investigating prostitution in the Philippines. The guy almost tripped over himself running away LOL.
Yeah, that type of scam happens to me in Bangkok. However, there are some that are real and not scam. Some of the workers at hotels do moon light or do referrals. Also, some of the hotel ladies look very different outside their uniform. Over the years, I have had some that recognize and approach me. In those cases, after verification, it could lead to a nice meeting.
These guys are everywhere in Robinson's Malate. I have had several of them. The last one I played with him for a while too. I told him I was an Australian undercover policeman investigating prostitution in the Philippines. The guy almost tripped over himself running away LOL.
I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that.I always like LAC. Not always consistent, but a nice place to start or watch. Sat there for about 2 hours with a FL on Saturday afternoon. It is good the girl is showing you around. I always prefer doing that.
Okay guys I think I got the hang of it now. Me and the chick I am with (met her at LAC last time) are sitting outside (inside the mall) at Starbucks and she said this is indeed the place.
Soapy Smith
01-31-18, 18:01
I am sitting in front of the Burger King at Robinsons and a guy just came up saying he remembered me and that he worked at the hotel. It clicked that I read here about some type of scam like that. He went on to say it was his day off and he was at the mall with his wife and two kids. He then said that he remembered that I brought a girl in the hotel with me. He asked how long I was staying and I told him that I did not know; probably forever. Then I asked him what hotel he worked at. Three times I acted like I didn't hear his answer and each time he named a different hotel. Then he said you are from US right? I said no, Thailand. He said oh Thailand. Then he didn't say anything else and got up and left after about another minute.I insist that they accompany me back to the hotel to take a picture with some of their co-workers. Newbies pay attention and remember this story in the same way Mr. E did from recollection of earlier posts. Almost any foreign man who visits Robinson's--or some of the other Manila malls--will experience this scam at some point in time. There are other scams you will experience. They have one thing in common: a total stranger Filipino approaches you and either claims to know you or wants to help you with something. Filipinos are usually helpful when you ask them for directions, but if the Filipino approaches you first, you're probably dealing with a scam. For most of us our mothers taught us to be considerate of strangers and to assume or pretend that their intentions are positive. In these situations in the Philippines you need to fight down that socialization.
I had not personally tested Delbosque's assertions about the BK area. It made sense to me, since the Adriatico entrance is closest to the Ermita clubs where freelancers hang out. But the traditional area between the escalator and Starbucks leaves them much more space to scope out people walking by and move to intercept them for a friendly, "Hello, sir. " Words like that or direct eye contact and a smile are the usual signs. Average Filipinas, non-pros to whom RK refers, will not smile and make contact with foreign men in that way, specifically because they see us old lechers hanging around and figure out what our game is. The p4ps are easily detected in areas like this, but also take a moment to notice all the older foreign men passing through and seeking eye contact with women.
In years past I sometimes saw them sitting at tables on the outskirts of McDonalds and Kenny Rogers on the first floor of the Pedro Gil wing. But those places are long gone.
Soapy Smith
01-31-18, 18:11
Another variant of the "I work at your hotel" scam is to wait within eyesight of your hotel entrance. They see you come out of the hotel and wait until you've walked a short distance off. Then they approach you. The "let's go take a photo with your co-workers" response is very useful in these situations.
There are other scams you will experience. They have one thing in common: a total stranger Filipino approaches you and either claims to know you or wants to help you with something. .Please explain the scam completely.
Soapy Smith
01-31-18, 20:01
Please explain the scam completely.The psychology of the scam is that the guy wants to ingratiate himself with you. He wants you to think you're the best of buddies. It starts with a lie like "I work at your hotel. " All he needs is an entrance to getting a conversation going. After he strings you along for awhile, he hits you up with a charity request. It worked on me the first time I encountered it. I had come out of the Boulevard Mansion Hotel, crossed the street, and was strollling around the Baywalk park area. He comes up to me, claims he works at the hotel, and described watching me carry in my luggage a few nights earlier. Then he wants to know where I'm from, like Mr. E's guy. Other questions are feeling me out, like the way p4ps ask you about how long you've been in the Phils, is it your first trip to the Phils, etc. Then my guy points to a couple kids and a woman, saying they're his family, and one of the girls has her birthday today. But he doesn't have enough money for cake and ice cream, and his daughter is really disappointed. A pretty good pitch. It worked. I gave him a few hundred pesos. The wife and kids all nodded toward me and smiled. This particular family looked a little ramshackle, and since he had the whole family with him, it's very likely they neeeded the money. But if my senses had been about me, I should have picked up on his having no teeth on the front of his upper jaw. He claimed to be a doorman, but I should have questioned whether a hotel wants a toothless man to be the guests' first encounter with the hotel. In other cases where I have been hit up with the "I know you" introduction, it has been single men, a little better dressed, and no family nearby. I now always dispatch them pretty directly.
Another typical scam is a guy wants to help you find something. I had one of these in Robinson's hardware at the Ermita mall. I told him I knew what I needed and didn't need help finding it. He tagged along anyway. When I got to the cash register he wanted to help me pay. I suspect his m. o. was a sleight-of-hand in which he ultimately pockets some of my money. I passed on his offer of help, and as I was walking away, suddenly he could find me women for sex. We were a flight of stairs and three blocks from LAC, so I damn sure didn't need help finding women. I read posts in the forum where some guy claims that a helpful cab driver or somebody they met in a bar helped them find the best kept secret treasure trove of women. In my view these are not wise moves. You've ended up paying additional money to a middle man, when all the information you need for getting access to good Pinay p4ps has been posted in this forum. RTFF is a hell of a lot smarter than accepting the help of a Filipino stranger.
Another time I was just turning the corner at Santa Monica and del Pilar in Ermita, probably headed for the Hobbit House. I was walking fairly fast, so this guy had to work to keep up with me. He first complimented the tennies I was wearing, wanted to know where I was from, "oh yeah, my sister's a nurse and she wants to take a job in your state, but I don't know if it's safe," yada, yada, yada. So wherever it was I was headed, he suddenly wanted to help me buy something unnecessary, maybe one of the Hobbit House t-shirts they sold at the entrance. He suggested I might not know their currency very well, so I should hand him my wallet and let him select the right denominations. Oh sure. When I went inside, he took off.
So there may be other scams, but I've experienced these two. Both involve ingratiating themselves with you so you'll drop your guard. In one the pitch is to hit up your compassionate side. The other is built around an attempt at sleight-of-hand. Guys who want to help you at a money changing outlet are particularly lethal.
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