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I consider myself fortunate in that I do not have a particular type. For example, there are guys whose type are blue eyed blondes, etc. I would be equally excited by a hot stunner African as I would be by a hot stunner Swede. In the early 2000's when I regularly traversed all of Europe, Latin America and Asia there were two countries where I would feel tears coming to my eyes when I was departing at the airport and they were Brazil and the Philippines. Brazil because of the mind boggling sex and the Philippines because of the friendliness of girls I would session with, in some cases having to console a crying girl who would have accompanied me to the airport. Back then (my last visit to the PI was 2007) I thought I'd retire to the Phils, then I thought nah Brazil. Now my choice is Thailand as it ticks so many boxes other than just the women.
I consider myself fortunate in that I do not have a particular type. For example, there are guys whose type are blue eyed blondes, etc. I would be equally excited by a hot stunner African as I would be by a hot stunner Swede. In the early 2000's when I regularly traversed all of Europe, Latin America and Asia there were two countries where I would feel tears coming to my eyes when I was departing at the airport and they were Brazil and the Philippines. Brazil because of the mind boggling sex and the Philippines because of the friendliness of girls I would session with, in some cases having to console a crying girl who would have accompanied me to the airport. Back then (my last visit to the PI was 2007) I thought I'd retire to the Phils, then I thought nah Brazil. Now my choice is Thailand as it ticks so many boxes other than just the women.The people there are definitely friendly. I never felt in danger no matter how horrible the area was. It was the one unique think about Manila was how safe it was, even though I was surrounded by debauchery and beggars.
To each his own. The four axes in this hobby are cost (even freebies usually have a cost of some sort), looks, attitude, and service. I've been with several ladies in the Philippines, and many more back here where I live. One was a really hot 19 year old (9 in my book) with the thin body type I love that wasn't too expensive (6 k, I think), but a total dead fish. I would never repeat that. Several others about the same price but maybe 7-8 looks with much better service. My favorite is a freelancer I met on Pinalove. She has the body I love (thin and small tits) but severe acne that puts her at maybe a 6, but this girl is the best kisser I have ever met and has a small pussy and excellent kegel control. And cost is much less initially than any of the other girls I've been with there. She is my GF of sorts now, never hits me up for money, and sends me nudes and videos and video calls everyday. I'the rather fuck her over a stunner any day because she still looks decent and the service, attitude, and value are off the charts.
The conversation about this is on any monger forum. Some people here rave over a Chinese woman in her 50's who will do literally anything, even though she could pass as anyone's ugly auntie. Others swear by a place with Chinese girls in their 20's that are double or triple the price. I usually stick with AMP that has older providers in their 30's-40's just because they look decent and provide good value for the service. No one is right or wrong. Just enjoy, be safe, and have fun!
To each his own. The four axes in this hobby are cost (even freebies usually have a cost of some sort), looks, attitude, and service. I've been with several ladies in the Philippines, and many more back here where I live. One was a really hot 19 year old (9 in my book) with the thin body type I love that wasn't too expensive (6 k, I think), but a total dead fish. I would never repeat that. Several others about the same price but maybe 7-8 looks with much better service. My favorite is a freelancer I met on Pinalove. She has the body I love (thin and small tits) but severe acne that puts her at maybe a 6, but this girl is the best kisser I have ever met and has a small pussy and excellent kegel control......BTW of all the countries I have been to the country with the women with the tightest pussies has been the Philippines.
BTW of all the countries I have been to the country with the women with the tightest pussies has been the Philippines.Yeah man, typical Filipina has a vice grip. I'm amazed that even the ones with rugrats are still tight. Thank the lord for Filipinas.
Captain Solo
11-03-23, 23:32
The tiniest and tightest? The few fully grown Japanese women and girls I bagged in LOS Angeles, Tokyo and Kyoto had the tiniest pussies in the world, just tight, tiny holes fitting my pinkie snugly. But they never objected or complained, just proceeded with full passion like any good Japanese GFs. The unusual tiny vaginas may be Japanese unique genetic traits.
The next tightest are Vietnamese. Many looked at my smaller than average dick in horror and refused penetration.
Next are Pinays, equally tiny like Viets' but more than half complained of soreness and needed rests between sessions.
The loosest I found are Latinas in Mexico and South America. A few Tijuana girls were so loose I had no feelings, did not know if my dick was doing incall or outcall. These loose girls would stand on Tijuana's streets all night without booking any guy.
BTW of all the countries I have been to the country with the women with the tightest pussies has been the Philippines.
FuriousGeorge
11-04-23, 00:00
The discussion was about physical types. Notice I didn't mention personality or service. My point was that, when you come up with a number for two girls, the higher number wins out. If a guy claims his type is 'big boobs, light skin, and tattoos', and, calculating all that, she's a 7, and standing next to her is a dark skinned, conventionally beautiful, small boobs, no tats, and her number he perceives to be an 8, she wins.
I don't have a type other than 'not fat'. Now, when it comes to personality / service vs. Looks. Jeez I think I would take a 6 that was a superstar in bed over a dead fish 8. It gets a little tough if you go up to 9 but hell I've had enough hot girls in my life, maybe I still go with the 6.
Just booked for next month. Very much looking forward to returning.
To each his own.
FuriousGeorge
11-04-23, 00:15
You reminded me of something I haven't though of in a long time. There was this massage place near where I live and I would go there every few weeks and there was only one matronly, fairly heavy, Chinese lady working there. Not attractive. She'd give me a nice tease and then let me do her bareback and cum inside. One day I called ahead and met her there, but she had to wait for the owner to bring the keys so she had to sit in my car while we waited. We couldn't even really communicate, we just sat there, but I had the hardest tent in my pants maybe ever, thinking about what was to come.
I've dated my share of 9's in my life (hell I dated a girl for almost a year I found out later was a high priced prostitute, getting 1 k an hour on the side. Good story), but I'm not sure I've ever been as horny as I was in that car that night.
The conversation about this is on any monger forum. Some people here rave over a Chinese woman in her 50's who will do literally anything, even though she could pass as anyone's ugly auntie. Others swear by a place with Chinese girls in their 20's that are double or triple the price. I usually stick with AMP that has older providers in their 30's-40's just because they look decent and provide good value for the service. No one is right or wrong. Just enjoy, be safe, and have fun!
WestCoast1
11-04-23, 07:18
BTW of all the countries I have been to the country with the women with the tightest pussies has been the Philippines.
Yeah man, typical Filipina has a vice grip. I'm amazed that even the ones with rugrats are still tight. Thank the lord for Filipinas.
The tiniest and tightest? SNIP
Next are Pinays, equally tiny like Viets' but more than half complained of soreness and needed rests between sessions.Pinas. Sub-5'ers. 80 lbs. Tight. Creampies. The things I put up with here (several times a week). Don't get me: Started.
The tiniest and tightest? The few fully grown Japanese women and girls I bagged in LOS Angeles, Tokyo and Kyoto had the tiniest pussies in the world, just tight, tiny holes fitting my pinkie snugly. But they never objected or complained, just proceeded with full passion like any good Japanese GFs. The unusual tiny vaginas may be Japanese unique genetic traits.
The next tightest are Vietnamese. Many looked at my smaller than average dick in horror and refused penetration.
Next are Pinays, equally tiny like Viets' but more than half complained of soreness and needed rests between sessions.
The loosest I found are Latinas in Mexico and South America. A few Tijuana girls were so loose I had no feelings, did not know if my dick was doing incall or outcall. These loose girls would stand on Tijuana's streets all night without booking any guy.The nationality with the most complainers for me has been Chinese sometimes even with all clothes on before the session begins. One said "Be gentle, I've got Chinese pussy". LOL.
Went to some dive KTV bars on airport road in Manila the other day. First and last time I'll head over there but it was interesting being the only foreigner in the place. Beer prices were all in the 90 peso range, some were buy 2 for 159 type of deals. Hole in the wall bars sums it up pretty much, guess there are some higher quality Korean places up the road a ways but I just hit the cheap joints. Didn't partake although there were a few cuties here and there, was more of just something new to see. If you search for airport road on google then search for the McDonalds and streetview walk west you'll see the bars. Mamasans were pushy, not many customers most of the night I'm guessing. The foreigner pricing was also pretty heavy handed. We'd be quoted 350 for a ladys drink and then see two Filipinos buy two girls drinks. My guess would be the lady drinks for the Filipinos would be closer to 120. Was quoted 4000 upstairs plus a few lady drinks then on the way out the mamasan said 2500 but by then it was too late. It was an interesting evening followed by overpriced Burgos girls wanting 10 k. Manila is a fun place for a short visit but I sure wouldn't want to live there.
WestCoast1
11-11-23, 23:37
It was an interesting evening followed by overpriced Burgos girls wanting 10 k. Manila is a fun place for a short visit but I sure wouldn't want to live there.Ya, Burgos is for the 1-2 week warrior. If you are an expat and want point-and-shoot gogo girls, AC is half the price and has more bars and girls. Both places have plusses and minuses.
The other Burgos joy is getting gogo girls to come to your place outside of the barfine system (afternoon delight), as cost is about 1/3 of the barfine amount. However this can be time-consuming, and its not convenient for the warrior.
It was an interesting evening followed by overpriced Burgos girls wanting 10 k.= US $180 for what? To do your plumbing, or to do general maintenance work for a day? Those prices are similar to Western Europe and the problem is the same, that these fat asses think life owes them a living. When you are in the Phils, pay local prices. Burgos girls need a few months back on the farm picking rice and getting bonked for three mangos and a banana.
Ya, Burgos is for the 1-2 week warrior. If you are an expat and want point-and-shoot gogo girls, AC is half the price and has more bars and girls. Both places have plusses and minuses.
The other Burgos joy is getting gogo girls to come to your place outside of the barfine system (afternoon delight), as cost is about 1/3 of the barfine amount. However this can be time-consuming, and its not convenient for the warrior.I'd put half of Burgos' price premium being for the girls looks (admittedly that's becoming more and more debatable) and the other half for the girls' attitude and boundaries. I've seen and had a lot more fun with Burgos girls than anyone in AC. A LOT more.
And that's both in and outside the bars.
Would I spend 8 to 10 k every night? Definitely not. However, Burgos remains the only place in PI where I routinely barfine girls when I feel like a cheat night. Says a lot about the place and girls when you consider I'm a Cheap Charlie and consider cute online girls for 3 k LT as fully priced. 😁.
I'd totally agree about the cut price out of hours opportunities after the first barfine. It's a shame that the days of buy one get one free from hookers are well and truly beyond me now that I've put on so many years and pounds. 😭.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
11-12-23, 08:36
It was an interesting evening followed by overpriced Burgos girls wanting 10 k. Manila is a fun place for a short visit but I sure wouldn't want to live there.Jarango: = US $180 for what? To do your plumbing, or to do general maintenance work for a day? Those prices are similar to Western Europe and the problem is the same, that these fat asses think life owes them a living. When you are in the Phils, pay local prices. Burgos girls need a few months back on the farm picking rice and getting bonked for three mangos and a banana..
This is the general complaint about the Burgos bars: They are expensive. However, since its a decades-long profitable enterprise, there is a solid market for it. Like Goferring, for the sake of convenience, I have on occasion just walked into a Burgos bar where I know the girls, and barfined one on the spur of the moment, paid the additional (FL would have been cheaper), just for convenience. You were sure at the time of getting an evening and morning bonk (as the morning tip is for LT and good service). Could have gotten that also for half the price (or less) if had I wanted to put in that effort.
Also the Burgos bars are the go-to organization for gents who don't want to have to put effort into the thing. They are not interested in the Tinder process of getting a girl on cam and interviewing several until they find one they like, then meeting her for coffee in order to decide if she is worth it. In a gogo, you skip the video and coffee sessions as the girl is on display in front of you in a bikini, her tummy and wares already on display. Also some warriors make the case here that the bar scene (pub crawl, perving, desire to chat up / feel up ladies over LD's -- regardless of whether they barfine in that particular bar) really IS their thing.
I'm not making the case that anyone should utilize the gogos there. I am making the case that many warriors literally think of gogos as the defining thing to do in town. They have the money, and older / fugly SW (and the online meet process) are not for them. As such, $180 USD is not out of line. If he's in town for 2 weeks, he might well barfine 10 of the 14 nights (even a good vaxxing doctor like myself must have a rest day here and there), or he might barfine 7 nights and Tinder 3 nights. Its just another option.
As in every large city anywhere, low-end FL for 2000. Dating site or Tinder FL PYT's available for p3000-5000. Gogo girls p10 k. Smoochi and escort girls for more. And much higher-end FL available for multiples of p10 k per hour (even rich Pinoy pay that for high-end private service). Everything is there, but warriors are usually going for the easiest catch for their budget. For cheap-charlies that is Burgos SW, and for gents with a budget the easiest convenient place is a gogo bar.
FuriousGeorge
11-12-23, 13:14
Prices are set by what the market will bear. Complaining about prices is like complaining about the weather. If it bothers you, you have to move on to another market.
When / if I retire in Phils, I will never barfine again. I'll have the time to settle into a rotation of non-pros. But until then, you pay market prices.
Jarango: = US $180 for what? To do your plumbing, or to do general maintenance work for a day? Those prices are similar to Western Europe and the problem is the same, that these fat asses think life owes them a living. When you are in the Phils, pay local prices. Burgos girls need a few months back on the farm picking rice and getting bonked for three mangos and a banana..
This is the general complaint about the Burgos bars: They are expensive. However, since its a decades-long profitable enterprise, there is a solid market for it. Like Goferring, for the sake of convenience, I have on occasion just walked into a Burgos bar where I know the girls, and barfined one on the spur of the moment, paid the additional (FL would have been cheaper), just for convenience. You were sure at the time of getting an evening and morning bonk (as the morning tip is for LT and good service). Could have gotten that also for half the price (or less) if had I wanted to put in that effort.
Also the Burgos bars are the go-to organization for gents who don't want to have to put effort into the thing. They are not interested in the Tinder process of getting a girl on cam and interviewing several until they find one they like, then meeting her for coffee in order to decide if she is worth it. In a gogo, you skip the video and coffee sessions as the girl is on display in front of you in a bikini, her tummy and wares already on display. Also some warriors make the case here that the bar scene (pub crawl, perving, desire to chat up / feel up ladies over LD's -- regardless of whether they barfine in that particular bar) really IS their thing.
I'm not making the case that anyone should utilize the gogos there. I am making the case that many warriors literally think of gogos as the defining thing to do in town. They have the money, and older / fugly SW (and the online meet process) are not for them. As such, $180 USD is not out of line. If he's in town for 2 weeks, he might well barfine 10 of the 14 nights (even a good vaxxing doctor like myself must have a rest day here and there), or he might barfine 7 nights and Tinder 3 nights. Its just another option.
As in every large city anywhere, low-end FL for 2000. Dating site or Tinder FL PYT's available for p3000-5000. Gogo girls p10 k. Smoochi and escort girls for more. And much higher-end FL available for multiples of p10 k per hour (even rich Pinoy pay that for high-end private service). Everything is there, but warriors are usually going for the easiest catch for their budget. For cheap-charlies that is Burgos SW, and for gents with a budget the easiest convenient place is a gogo bar.I've spent a few weeks in Manila on my way to the province several times. I'm not a bar guy, so I've seen escorts or freelancers on Pinalove. Manila Courtesans has two hours from 4. 5 k and up, with most being 5-7 k for two hours and double for overnight. Most girls on Pinalove that are freelancers are 3-4 k short time and 4-6 k overnight. But, if you play it right, the ones on dating websites can turn into a regular thing, and even branch out from there. Coming in for the holidays, I'll be seeing my regular from pinalove (who says she is my GF hehehe) for two days, no discussion of money. Leaving a few weeks later, I'm spending two days with her best friend from back home in Mindanao who messaged me, and she is a hot one! I've been waiting for the usual emergency that it seems like all pinay have, but it's been a month talking to her and nothing. Just asked if I would buy her plane ticket for those two days (a weekend she is not working). 6 k for two days and nights isn't bad. Life is good here!
JeremiahSurd
11-16-23, 11:51
I have recently moved to the Ph (3 months) and one of the things I am missing from my previous countries are massage parlors where you could get HEs or full services. Anything here in Manila area? I have seen numerous ads about services offered in hotel / condo but all of these look dicey from 2 counts: 1. My last experience. Got conned by a 'not a girl' who then had somebody call me up as an agent and ripped more money off me. Fortunately I had met up in one of those book by the hour motels. And 2. Don't want a scene at my condo or get into a situation where it gets embarassing as my work colleagues live in the same condo.
I'm also open to having a regular 'friend' who I can meet up with discreetly but really want to avoid the person coming up and living with me as my GF.
Any suggestions? If anyone has any tried and non scam tested recommendations, will be happy to receive a connect on my DM. Can reciprocate or be a wingman to any of you who have been here for long.
ShinyCrazy
11-16-23, 19:12
I haven't been to the Philippines since before COVID, but there are two places I know of that might interest you. One is "Starfleet", which is a fishbowl type place, which masquerades as "massage", but is mostly full service. The other is Abacca in Makati, which is a classic massage with happy ending, only hand job no BJ or full service. Their specialty is prostate massage along with the hand job. If others out there can pipe up and mention more, especially in the Makati area, I would be grateful. Heading there soon.
I have recently moved to the Ph (3 months) and one of the things I am missing from my previous countries are massage parlors where you could get HEs or full services. Anything here in Manila area? I have seen numerous ads about services offered in hotel / condo but all of these look dicey from 2 counts: 1. My last experience. Got conned by a 'not a girl' who then had somebody call me up as an agent and ripped more money off me. Fortunately I had met up in one of those book by the hour motels. And 2. Don't want a scene at my condo or get into a situation where it gets embarassing as my work colleagues live in the same condo.
I'm also open to having a regular 'friend' who I can meet up with discreetly but really want to avoid the person coming up and living with me as my GF.
Any suggestions? If anyone has any tried and non scam tested recommendations, will be happy to receive a connect on my DM. Can reciprocate or be a wingman to any of you who have been here for long.
ShinyCrazy
11-19-23, 21:32
I haven't been to the Philippines since before COVID, but there are two places I know of that might interest you. One is "Starfleet", which is a fishbowl type place, which masquerades as "massage", but is mostly full service. The other is Abacca in Makati, which is a classic massage with happy ending, only hand job no BJ or full service. Their specialty is prostate massage along with the hand job. If others out there can pipe up and mention more, especially in the Makati area, I would be grateful. Heading there soon.So no one has piped up with info, so I'll add what I've learned from the Internet, not from personal experience:
There are full service massage places and a website called Manila Tonight, which has massage parlors reviews, but they are mostly in Tagalog and many or most of the massage places are merely hand job only.
From what I was able to tease out, it appears that White House, SunriseFrictio, and Classique are considered the best, but you can't even find them readily on Google maps, they don't seem to have websites, and I have no real idea what the pricing and services are. If anyone has more info, I would be happy to hear it.
Manila is very odd: Very expensive bargirls on Burgos, moderately expensive escorts on Manila Courtesans and Smooci, very secretive full service massage places which I have to act like a private detective to find, and no clear website for independent girls. Bizarre. Pinalove is apparently a waste of time, Locanto is outdated. Maybe Facebook "walker" groups or Tinder? Where the heck do the locals look for fresh independents online? Telegram groups? Are the full service massage places a good option? How much are they? It's all mysterious, unlike Thailand or Brazil or pretty much anywhere. Is there a local website for independents or for reviews or for massage parlor advertising? Why is Manila so opaque? I feel like I'm missing the one website that will open the lock.
ShinyCrazy
11-19-23, 21:37
And yes, I did scour Philippine Addicts, HappyBudgetMeal, SingleManForum. Maybe PinayWalkerLounge is the magical website I seek, but it requires payment in some local e-currency. Manila is a tough nut to crack beyond the obvious Burgos bars and LA Cafe.
WestCoast1
11-20-23, 01:55
Manila is very odd: All of Phils is as you describe.
Very expensive bargirls on Burgos, moderately expensive escorts on Manila Courtesans and Smooci, very secretive full service massage places which I have to act like a private detective to find, and no clear website for independent girls. Bizarre. Pinalove is apparently a waste of time, Locanto is outdated. Maybe Facebook "walker" groups or Tinder? Where the heck do the locals look for fresh independents online? Telegram groups? Are the full service massage places a good option? How much are they? It's all mysterious, unlike Thailand or Brazil or pretty much anywhere. Is there a local website for independents or for reviews or for massage parlor advertising? Why is Manila so opaque? I feel like I'm missing the one website that will open the lock.There is no one website. *.
And yes, I did scour Philippine Addicts, HappyBudgetMeal, SingleManForum. Maybe PinayWalkerLounge is the magical website I seek, but it requires payment in some local e-currency. Manila is a tough nut to crack beyond the obvious Burgos bars and LA Cafe.I think what you are saying is this (correct me if I am wrong): In Phils, you are having trouble finding info on the Internet (advance of your trip) that is meaningful to what you are seeking. Yes?
You are spot on. The entire country can be viewed that way. There might be any number of reasons, including: A public love / hate relationship with sex; legal peril for prostitution and concubinage; porn being illegal; disdain and legal peril of abortion (medical professionals face up to 6 years in prison, and might call the police on a woman who requests an abortion or if they even think the woman had an abortion in the past); and the countries you mentioned are not as heavily Catholic as Philippines is. And further: There is little in the culture that requires clarity of public information (much in the same way that Spanish time allows you to ignore punctuality). There might be other reasons also.
* A number of things are very unclear in Philippines. Addresses to start (your hotel or other places might have no fixed address, making them hard to find by your taxi driver; its best to know a nearby landmark to guide the driver to your hotel's area). Government rules and regulations: You show up at a government office to find that its closed this week for an unofficial holiday (while showing open on Google Maps); or that you must have previously obtained documents L and M in order to do your biz there, but nobody told you that when you called them on the phone to inquire (nor is it listed on their website). Businesses close around holidays (or for no apparent reason), sometimes a week or so in advance and a week after, with no known publication and no way for you to know they are closed until you arrive (they might not have a phone number for you to call). A local person near the closed business might say something like this to you: "You try back next week, Tuesday or Wednesday maybe". Maybe? Why not Monday? "Not sure when they will reopen. They will reopen when their employees come back". Isn't there a set day or date for the return? "Hahahaha". Your local McDonalds stops serving a particular food (say, french fries, or coffee); you ask the manager when they will serve it again, as its been 3 weeks. "I don't know. Never maybe". Shouldn't you remove it from the menu? "What?" or "Corporate won't allow me to tell the customers we don't serving that anymore". When a business is about to close temporarily (or forever), or change its business hours, the manager will not think (or he might not have access to) to change the hours or such in Google maps. In fact during Covid, when 90%+ of all businesses were closed (for months and months), not one of the Google Maps businesses in my city showed they were closed. You show up at the business because Maps shows it open, to find it closed. A local says to you: "They closed 8 months ago". Hungry, you find a Jollibee on the Map, a pleasant 300 m from your hotel. You ask at the front desk of your hotel if there is a Jollibee at that location on your map, and they confirm it for you. You walk or taxi to the Jollibee, to discover it has completely burned to the ground. A local tells you it burned 7 months ago. Eight months ago you had a good massage rub-and-tug at a location, and you see on Maps that its open 24 hours. You taxi back today and find its been closed for 5 months or more. Its a holiday (official or not), and traffic is bad near the schools. You ask the locals if the schools are closed for today. Half will say yes, half will say no. You ask a gaggle of police (standing outside at a substation) the same question, and half will say yes and half will say no. The schools are in fact closed, but there is no notice for that on their website (s). You show up at your business, wait in line 20 minutes to make a purchase, to find that they don't accept CC today (but before, yes). When you inquire if maybe they should put up a sign saying the CC / Debit system is down today, they will look at you like YOU are the one from another planet. If you had to wait in line at your local McDonald's in your country for 20 minutes for a burger / fries / coke, only to find out they don't have any burgers today (or this week), you'd be pissed off that they didn't post a sign, right? Not so in Phils, the locals just walk away to find another McDo or Jollibee.
AND SO ON.
We feel your pain. However, I'd like to posit the following, and old guard who live here please weigh in if I am wrong. Information is not only wildly lacking (or its there, but not correct -- misinformation) on the Internet, but also among the population. In your case you are looking for sex info. In your previous countries its there on the Internet. In this country its not usually there, and should it be there, you have no way to know if its correct, or current. Also within the culture, its extremely common for businesses to disappoint you with: Business is closed, product unavailability, extremely long wait lines, price change, form of payment non-acceptance, and so on. You would think in the days of FB (pinoy are hooked on FB), slapping up public info about your biz / org would be easy and common. Its easy, but its not common.
My analysis: You, and recently other gents, have made me realize that there is a large pool of foreigners using YT and other sources of info, and either not finding it, or finding misinformation. That's not a surprise here. Phils is a tough nut to crack. Like many of us before you, you will have to come here (if you dare), scout out those massage places on foot (and word of mouth after arrival), and then please post a report here so the gents will know where you found good / bad service. However, to the future gents after you, I must say that such businesses don't advertise much, change locations, and they come in / go out / come back in as businesses regularly. Its possible that you would come here, scout out massage places, not find much you like, and have to resort to Burgos or AC.
The only Holy Grail you will find info here is about Burgos, AC, and LA Cafe. And even then things change between the time you read it and the time you arrive.
And yes, I did scour Philippine Addicts, HappyBudgetMeal, SingleManForum. Maybe PinayWalkerLounge is the magical website I seek, but it requires payment in some local e-currency. Manila is a tough nut to crack beyond the obvious Burgos bars and LA Cafe.Never been to Burgos or EDSA when it existed. Have been to LA Cafe and dislike it intensely. Saying all of this I have never failed to get a relatively attractive girl at and affordable price who is happy to have BB sex. I have scored from Tinder, Tan Tan, Pina love, Date in Asia and WeChat + a couple of referals. My Sweetspot is 18 - 22 but have done up to 25. I'm in my 60's and my good looks faded some time ago. There is always a girl that needs tuition money, rent money an new phone, baby food, medical money or they just want anonymous sex.
ShinyCrazy
11-20-23, 15:17
All of Phils is as you describe. There is no one website. *.
Thanks for the detailed post. If info about the mega-city of Manila is lacking, this obviously explains why I can barely find a whisper about Bohol. At least I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one who hasn't cracked the nut. I visited Manila for Burgos mongering before COVID and plan to visit again soon. I'll post my pre-trip plans soon and hope for any constructive comments.
Thanks for the detailed post. If info about the mega-city of Manila is lacking, this obviously explains why I can barely find a whisper about Bohol. At least I feel better knowing that I'm not the only one who hasn't cracked the nut. I visited Manila for Burgos mongering before COVID and plan to visit again soon. I'll post my pre-trip plans soon and hope for any constructive comments.Many visitors to Manila have had analysis paralysis lately and gone away severely disappointed when their precisely planned targets and results haven't materialised.
As you touched on, and many others have commented, the scene in PI changes on a night by night basis and what was great last visit may or may not be tonight.
As there are so many options in Manila, I've found the best bet is to just go out and explore. Have an idea of what you want but don't lock yourself down to one path. Many times I have accidently stumbled upon a great night out.
Have you researched Casas? They sound like the local equivalent of what you're describing. They don't have an internet directory as local guys and taxis already know where they are and services offered. Assuming they survived COVID, then you will need a local contact as well. That can be as simple as asking a local taxi. Obviously be aware of your own security.
Good luck. G.
ShinyCrazy
11-21-23, 00:31
Have you researched Casas? .I did not know about casas in Manila. I have visited many casas in the Spanish speaking world. Usually there is a website where they all advertise discreetly and you send them a WhatsApp message for pics and prices and the specific directions (apartment number etc). Reasonably safe in Spain. Sounds a little too sketchy for Manila.
ShinyCrazy
11-21-23, 00:38
Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and Bohol. I was last in the Philippines prior to COVID, so my personal knowledge is now worthless. I have done everything I can to find fresh info online, including from ISG. As I mentioned earlier, it is more difficult than I would have expected, particularly finding freelancers online or in person without spending hours and hours and hours. Please provide any criticism or clarifications or insider info.
I am mainly looking for girls 18-25. Do not like fat girls or tattoos or silicone. Best girls for me are innocent and enthusiastic. Prefer independents over agency girls. Prefer cute girl next door to bimbo porn star. Best sessions for me include intense DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CIM, rimming, prostate massage. I mostly like a long session, at least 2 hours and overnight would be nice. I realize one of the big selling points of the Philippines is bareback sex and relatively inexpensive overnight dates. I am a little concerned about the risks of bareback, particularly HIV, so I might try visiting Pulse Clinic for PREP if I decide to indulge in bareback.
My target for girls for LT starting around 7 pm: blow job no condom, finish in the mouth, eating pussy, kissing with tongue, fucking (with or without condom), prostate massage (rimming), 4 pops (one before dinner, two after dinner, one in the morning), and stay until breakfast.
Here is a summary of what I have learned (most of this was copied directly from ISG and other forums and is NOT my personal experience):
TRIP PLANNING:
Sex workers in the Philippines may use local sex phrases on Facebook to get the attention of mongers. Search on Facebook for groups with: klaw, lakad, walker, raket, pok pok, walker pinas, pinaywalk, or legit PSP. Get the GRAB app. Uber does not work in the Philippines. Get the Telegram app and Viber apps. Try to contact some of the massage parlors via Telegram or Viber and ask about full service. There are also Telegram channels with independent girls:
T. me / PinayWalkersV_1.
T. me / PinayWalkersV_2.
In the local forums for spas, like ManilaTonight and HappyBudgetMeal, most of the discussion is in Tagalog. Many reviews also use abbreviations, which I finally figured out: FV (face value), BV (body value), AV (attitude value), MV (massage value). The nice hotels / condos that are girl-friendly. Peninsula, City Garden Grand, Rockwell Condos, Gramercy Residences.
PREP clinic. Prep Pulse Clinic open 9-6 p every day, Unit 202 Plaza 100 building, VA Rufino corner Dell Rosa Street, Legaspi Village Makati.
Websites that cover sex work in the Philippines. PhilippinesAddicts (general chatty forum of expats), SingleManForum (forum mostly for Vietnam, but with Philippine section), HappyBudgetMeal (spa forum), PinayWalkersLounge (pay site for locals looking for independents but it requires payment in local e-currency), ManilaTonight (spa forum).
BURGOS STREET GOGO BARS:
The red-light district of Manila with multiple gogo-type bars, although very limited nudity compared to Thailand. Best bars mentioned currently include Lips, Maison, V8, Dimples, and Neon Nights. Maison is most likely to allow in-bar action, like fingering. In the past, Kojak and PlanB were considered the best. Burgos bars are the easiest and most expensive option for a short trip. The Burgos tip. You aren't required to pay it until she is ready to depart your place after the agreed-upon service (s). Usually this is in the morning. However, you must negotiate it in advance, in the bar that night, with the girl, before she will agree to barfine with you. To depart the bar, the bar will add the barfine amount to your drink slip. Besides your drinks, the chit will read EWR p3900 -- Early Work Release -- and there will be a total. For example, if your drinks were p750, and the EWR is p3900, your chit will read total p4650. The tip request from the girl does not show on the chit (however, she may quietly tell the mama the amount before departing the bar). You pay the bar p4650 while the girl is changing into her street clothes. You depart with the girl, spend your time, she does what she agreed to, and in the morning as she is ready to depart your place you hand her the p5000 pre-negotiated tip. Total cost: p9650 (about $180 USD). Some Burgos bars open early (around 2 pm) and have lower barfines at that time.
STREET GIRLS IN BURGOS:
You shouldn't really pay them more than 1,000 Pesos, maximum 1,500 Pesos. And also be careful when taking them back to your room. The current price for an 8 (and maybe even a 9) from clubs like Lips and Plan be on Burgos St is around P10,000 for short time and 15,000 for overnight.
KTVs:
Weird Korean or Japanese karaoke-style establishments that you visit with a group of guys, buy a lot of alcohol, flirt with young pretty girls and hope that you can leave with her phone number. No clear barfine and no guarantee of even having sex ever. No sex on premises.
ONLINE INDEPENDENTS:
The largest website is Pinalove, but full of naive girls looking for long term boyfriends and may take weeks of work for one date. Pricing can range from 2 K overnight, but most pretty girls are 4-5 K overnight. Since most of these options are slow fishing expeditions, the only ones that might work for a short trip would be Tinder or Locanto.
Other options:
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/Escorts/20905/
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/Women-Looking-for-Men/20702/
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_5228385395/ANAL-AND-RIMMING-AVAILABLE-TONIGHT.html
TanTan (asian version of Tinder).
Facebook groups.
DateinAsia.
ESCORT SERVICES:
*Manila Courtesans. One of the best escort services in Manila. Considered reliable. Point and shoot. No clear list of services on their website, unlike some of the other escort services. Avoids barfine, but otherwise expensive. Pricing is best VFM for overnight (basically twice the 2 hour rate gets you 12 hours). Not sure how many pops that includes. I will have to check with them via WhatsApp. Girls with positive reports include Mika, Maggie, Yuki, Raya, Jasmine. AVOID Sarah and Laura.
https://manilacourtesans.com
*Manila Asian Escort. Looks very promising and has clear details of services, including who performs bareback and rimming.
https://www.manilaasianescortph.com
*Smooci. Mix of independents and escort service girls. Generally considered reliable. Pricing on Smooci is high for independents.
www.smooci.com
*Other escort websites:
https://naughtymanila.com
https://courtesanhub.com
https://escortmanila.info
This girl is apparently a freak and a dynamo:
https://www.mysticalflower.net
Discreet Massage. Very popular on HappyBudgetMeal. Over 400 pages of posts about this escort service.
VIBER / WHATSAPP / TELEGRAM: listed on HappyBudgetMeal.
FULL SERVICE SEX SPAS NEAR BURGOS:
Starfleet. Full service, similar to Thai fishbowl soapies. #91 Audrey is best rimmer in the city. According to HappyBudgetMeal, they follow "Standard rules for extra service massage parlors. No kissing. No DATY. No BBBJ. No raw sex. No anal. Everything else, YMMV. ".
FULL SERVICE SEX SPAS ELSEWHERE IN MANILA (mostly Quezon City):
These are discussed on Manila Tonight and appear to be full service, Thai soapy-style establishments. The parlors with the most comments (in order) are: Classique, White House, SunriseFrictio.
*White House MP. Girls with good reviews are Mico, Jessa, Bea, Colleen, Vishia, Summer, Jade, Paula, Sakura, Celine, Mira, Des and Gabb. Open 10 am-4 am. 195 Garage, Sct. Chuatoco St, Diliman, Quezon City.
*Frictio Health Spa MP. Girls with good reviews are Kristine and Chelsea. Open 10 am-5 am. 1178 Quezon Ave, Diliman, Quezon City.
*Classique MP. Girls with good reviews are Jhardine, Mariz, Meghan, and Zebby. Open 7 pm-3 am. 1012 Quezon Ave, Diliman, Quezon City.
HAPPY ENDING HANDJOB MASSAGE NEAR BURGOS:
Abacca has been discussed many times on ISG. These are the spas that received the most comments on the local board in order: Encanta, La Bella, San Shai, and Kemosabe.
*Abacca Spa. Only handjobs, but famous for their prostate massage. Located on 2nd floor of RJEM Building, 1132 Antipolo Street, Poblacion, Makati. 1300 for one therapist for 80 minutes or 2000 for two therapists for 90 minutes. Open 24 hours. Reservations "a must". Currently, it appears that the first floor is a coffeehouse called "Fresh Grinds Cafe". I can see why Abacca is popular: It is only a 15 minute walk from Burgos.
*Encanta Spa (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Telegram #) Intersection of Zapiro and Diamante Street, San Andres Bukid, Sta. Ana Manila WAZE: Four Aces Placement and General Services. Open 24/7. Some of the girls seem to offer full service. The regular therapist rate is 1500 for nuru plus entrance. The minimum tip is 1000. I take that to mean massage with handjob ending for a total of 2500. The "all in" rate ranges from 4500 for a regular therapist to 7000 for one of the best therapists. The 7000 rate includes 2 pops. Although it was not clear what "all in" means, I am guessing that means full service. Too far to walk from Burgos. 20 minutes in Grab.
*La Bella Spa (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Telegram #) Victoria De Makati Condo at the intersection of Washington and De La Rosa Street, second Floor unit 202. Open 24/7. Handjob with massage one therapist 1200 for 75 minutes. 35 minute walk from Burgos or 15 minute Grab.
*San Shai Spa, Kendra Branch (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Viber#) Jaka Center, Urban Street, Chino Roces Avenue, Makati.
*San Shai Spa, Legaspi Branch (check Manila Tonight or HBM for the Viber#) LPL Suites, Legaspi Street, Legaspi Village, Makati.
25 minute walk from Burgos.
FREELANCER AT NIGHT:
Royal Nightclub near Burgos mainly active after midnight 3 K ST 5 K LT (girls will try to ask 10 K).
FREELANCERS DURING THE DAY: Greenbelt Mall. There was a coffeeshop called Cafe Havana that had freelancers waiting nearby. Cafe Havana has closed since COVID, but apparently, there are some freelancers still in the area.
OUTCALL PROSTATE MASSAGE:
https://manilamassage.org
http://makatimassage.net/
My overall plan for MANILA:
First day: Drop bags off at hotel, then go to Abacca Spa and go to Pulse clinic for PREP until hotel room is ready, then first evening at Burgos clubs, mainly Lips, Maison.
Daytime activity: Tourism, Look for freelancers at Greenbelt Mall area, White House MP or Friction MP, Encanta Spa or Abacca Spa.
Nighttime activity: Burgos bars including Lips, Maison, Neon Nights, V8 and Dimples, Manila Courtesans or Manila Asian Escorts for 12 hour overnight date.
My overall plan for BOHOL:
Best options are apparently Tinder, Facebook walker groups, Locanto, and local bars on Alona Beach. From girls working in the bars or restaurants, I will plan to get girls numbers for contact the next day or when the shift ends. Also plan to look in the "Thai" massage places for leads.
https://www.locanto.ph/bohol/Escorts/20905/
Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and BoholI commend you in the amount of research and planning that you have done. I just hope you realise that very little of it will eventuate as intended. The Philippines and especially Philippinas are not known for their punctuality and dependability.
Most of your statements are correct. I'll just add the following:
If you still have old numbers, feel free to try them. If the numbers are still active then the girl will still be broke and looking for a cash top up. Repeats are the easiest hookups and don't rule out her having a cousin for you to meet if she's busy.
Finding girls online to meet now is a 5 minute process: Open Tinder, Pina Love or Date in Asia; message an an attractive girl with in a 10 mile radius that you are in Makati, would she like to meet for fun and what is her WhatsApp; sort and seal the deal immediately on WhatsApp; no need to discuss watching sunsets or your cute puppy; expect her to be late but complete no shows for meeting now are much less likely than agreeing to meet next week or after you arrive next month. Newbie rates are 3 k ST, 5 k LT for a 7+. XLT is mentioned below. Repeats, referrals and 7 minuses are cheaper.
All of your requirements from girls are readily available. Only rimming, prostate massage and an overnight stay should be explicitly clarified early on.
A 7 pm start LT will be difficult to find in a gogo or club, though not impossible. Girls at this time will normally be expecting to return to the bar after you for more lady drinks and possibly a second customer. Your payment will have to cover this perceived lost income. Definitely clarify your expectations before leaving.
Your first Burgos cost was the correct one: 3900+tip. 6 k LT is being generous. 15 k all in and you have either had a few drinks or said / done something to have her up her rates.
There are many girls on Pina Love looking to meet at short notice.
Be careful in Greenbelt. 99% of working girls are truly horrific or ladyboys. 99% of the attractive girls are wealthy civilians doing their shopping or meeting friends. You do not want to walk up to one of these and ask for a $50 blowjob.
You left out sneakouts from Burgos or club employees (dancers etc). It's not difficult to get their number in the bar or post session and agree to meet outside work hours. This is often at much reduced rates esp for repeats.
Enjoy but remember to be flexible with your very detailed plans.
Good luck. G.
ShinyCrazy
11-21-23, 04:33
Finding girls online to meet now is a 5 minute process: Open Tinder, Pina Love or Date in Asia; message an an attractive girl with in a 10 mile radius that you are in Makati, would she like to meet for fun and what is her WhatsApp; sort and seal the deal immediately on WhatsApp; no need to discuss watching sunsets or your cute puppy; expect her to be late but complete no shows for meeting now are much less likely than agreeing to meet next week or after you arrive next month. Newbie rates are 3 k ST, 5 k LT for a 7+. XLT is mentioned below. Repeats, referrals and 7 minuses are cheaper.
.Thanks for the very helpful feedback! Your description of the process with Pinalove / Tinder is very encouraging. I will almost certainly rely on that for Bohol, and I'll probably give it a try in Makati, too. I am not on a tight budget, so most of my energy will be spent in the Burgos bars. I hear you loud and clear about the flakiness of Filipinas and of the whole country. I had the same experience on my last visit and even posted on ISG about it. When facing flakiness, I like to create a comprehensive list of options so that I can switch plans on the fly when the first venue (or second and third etc.) is a bust.
Thanks for the very helpful feedback! Your description of the process with Pinalove / Tinder is very encouraging. I will almost certainly rely on that for Bohol, and I'll probably give it a try in Makati, too. I am not on a tight budget, so most of my energy will be spent in the Burgos bars. I hear you loud and clear about the flakiness of Filipinas and of the whole country. I had the same experience on my last visit and even posted on ISG about it. When facing flakiness, I like to create a comprehensive list of options so that I can switch plans on the fly when the first venue (or second and third etc.) is a bust.Sorry to say, expect much less success and immediacy in Bohol. In the province, many less hookers available and even part timers want to appear as good girls. Swap 'meet for fun' with 'meet for coffee'; be prepared for her to bring a friend in tow; some will return to the hotel with you, some won't but will say thanks for waiting on the second date.
The provinces are certainly fun but much less point and shoot than the big smoke. The upside is GFE like you wouldn't believe and prices 1/4 of Manila.
Enjoy. G.
WestCoast1
11-21-23, 06:45
Excellent research. Your post, and Goffering's, should be put in a SPECIAL SECTION FOR NEWBS. A few specific thoughts.
My target for girls for LT starting around 7 pm: blow job no condom, finish in the mouth, eating pussy, kissing with tongue, fucking (with or without condom), prostate massage (rimming), 4 pops (one before dinner, two after dinner, one in the morning), and stay until breakfast.That's a lot of expectaion / desire (beck and call sex). Most girls will have not have considered that much sex in one evening. Don't take any of that for granted, discuss in detail with the girl. Many girls, regardless where you found them, will not be into DFK with a stranger. FL might never have heard of prostate massage, or if they have heard of it they might never have done it and thus might be put off by it (it might be an 'additional cash required' situation). 4 pops might be considered wildly 'out there' and might need to be overcome with additional cash. LT departure time should always be defined, and most girls are fine with breakfast (and the pop before it).
STREET GIRLS IN BURGOS:
You shouldn't really pay them more than 1,000 Pesos, maximum 1,500 Pesos. And also be careful when taking them back to your room. There is no hard / fast amount here. Time and circumstances change the street scene (and individual girl needs) regularly. When the street girls re-started early last year, there was a real sense of desperation for about 8-10 months, and I myself reported numbers very similar to the 1000-1500 you mentioned. Those are ST prices, and some girls were not only going for less, but some would LT for the 1500. However by this year there were times when the girls were back up to their higher-end requests, and they were sticking to it. I saw girls say 3000, the guy countered with 1500, she countered 2500 and wouldn't go under it. However I don't have any current SW prices. Things change. If a guy here (myself even) says he got LT on the street for 1500, he probably did. But that's not written in stone, and its not reason enough for you (or me) to think that you will get that (or should expect to get that) on an upcoming trip. SC I don't think you will see anything you like on the street, as the girls are usually older and / or chubbier, and they don't fall within your parameters. Also, about half the girls on the street are girls.
The current price for an 8 (and maybe even a 9) from clubs like Lips and Plan be on Burgos St is around P10,000 for short time and 15,000 for overnight. Again, that's not written in stone. In early October I had several girls tell me they were LT and p5 k for their tip (no negosyo down on the tip) with 2 pops. They were 7's and 8's. Also, 6's in the bars will not negotiate below 5 k anymore. Everyone is at 5 k for the tip, and the prettiest were 6 k (pre-covid 7 k). This was over several bars: V8, Nautica, Lips, Maison. Also on any given evening, a girl who needs a barfine TONIGHT might drop her tip amount, which means there is no go-to guide. SC in your case, with the added stuff that is not normally done (4 pops), you can get that in the gogos easily I think with talk of a larger tip.
I'd like to add an additional biblical commandment (#11): "Burgos SW are 1500, and gogo girls are 10 k". But apparently the Church does not look fondly on my writings. I realize also that by the time SC arrives, this info might have changed in my absence (how DARE they).
That's a lot of expectaion / desire (beck and call sex). Most girls will have not have considered that much sex in one evening. Or ask if she wants to work shifts with a friend. 😜.
G.
All of your requirements from girls are readily available. Only rimming, prostate massage and an overnight stay should be explicitly clarified early on.
.All of these are hilarious, like something you'd need an international corporate lawyer. Or Gunnery Sergeant Hartman. For. Going to Taguig for a custom made car with lots of specific specs, LOL. Not exactly a casual date. No offence to you but I got a great giggle out of these replies. There was a place in Bkk run by a French dude off Sukhumvit catered to all that. At a price.
All of these are hilarious, like something you'd need an international corporate lawyer.It all kind of amazes me but OK, but if it works for someone, who am I to argue? Though really, does anyone actually believe that a negotiated agreement is going to provide a better experience than personal rapport and (in the Philippines at least) a bit of romance?
Ditto some of the guys now who research the hell out of their upcoming trips and post a giant list of things they're planning to do. Maybe it'll work out fine, I dunno. And maybe the days of just showing up and walking out and finding your own fun are over. But I can't help but think that the more you try to plan everything, the more you're going to be disappointed.
ShinyCrazy
11-21-23, 17:23
There was a place in Bkk run by a French dude off Sukhumvit catered to all that. At a price.That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.
ShinyCrazy
11-21-23, 17:37
Though really, does anyone actually believe that a negotiated agreement is going to provide a better experience than personal rapport and (in the Philippines at least) a bit of romance?
Ditto some of the guys now who research the hell out of their upcoming trips and post a giant list of things they're planning to do. In some mongering spots, it is absolutely critical to hash out the expectations before going to the room (FKK clubs, for example). In other venues (mostly semi-pro independents), it is better to go with the flow and rely on your rapport and charm. But overall, around the world, I have found that most full pros perform better if they know what you expect. My "target for girls", as I described it, is not my bare minimum requirements for a good session. It is my description of the perfect session for me. I did experience perfect sessions many times at Eden Club.
As far as research is concerned, I could certainly keep my extensive prep to myself, but I think ISG only works if people contribute. I don't want to be one of the silent selfish takers, so I try to compile the last year or two of useful ISG info into actionable intel. I am not expecting to hit every venue on the list. It just gives me options.
Expat American
11-21-23, 17:53
That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.Snow White / Cherrys / Tulip are close in experience. But Marc and the Eden club was a special thing.
That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.Annie's is back but it's not as good and in a different location.
That's a kind description of what happened with Marc according to a report written by Stickman. Don't want to slander anyone, dead or alive, but it's easy to find out what allegedly happened via google.
MrHappyKat
11-21-23, 21:33
Here is my research and planning for an upcoming trip to Makati and Bohol. I was last in the Philippines prior to COVID, so my personal knowledge is now worthless. I have done everything I can to find fresh info online, including from ISG. As I mentioned earlier, it is more difficult than I would have expected, particularly finding freelancers online or in person without spending hours and hours and hours. Please provide any criticism or clarifications or insider info.From my limited experience in P Burgos for a week last March, you will have no problems having fun. But:
Like you, I tend to research and plan down to lowest level of details and that includes locations, services, prices, safety, etc. This is what I have done travelling to over 30 countries over the last 40 years. But here's the voice of wisdom looking back for you: The real (perhaps only) benefit of all that planning is that once you have a plan, be willing (if not eager) to throw it away. The unintended artefact of planning is that along the way you get a great idea of what you want to do, AND you also get deep knowledge of alternatives when your primary plan goes total bullshit. So great, you want to optimize your time and spend. But don't get hung up when you get there and find out your expectations are way ahead of reality. Be willing to bail quicky when it's not going well and embrace one or more of those alternates. Stretch your boundaries a bit and you may find more than you expect.
Finally, regarding Prep: According to my doctors, you need to take it in advance and every day to get the full benefit and protection. Taking one pill just before you drop a load in something warm and pink won't work well. I started taking it one month before I flew to PH and I'm still taking it daily now. Check around your local area for health providers (maybe your current one) for costs. Getting the prescription requires an appointment and blood & urine tests, plus anal and oral swabs. Then you need to retest every 90 days. My plan provides checkups, tests and the meds for free.
I will be in Manila and AV in mid-Feb for one month for my 2nd visit. Should be a lot of fun.
That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.I seem to remember some t shirts doing the rounds of BKK (maybe Hash Run shirts?) with nothing but a yellow line on them.
If you knew, you knew. 😜.
G.
That was Marc from Eden Club. He created the sleaziest and most sexually satisfying venue in the history of mongering. Two girls for 90 minutes and no holds barred. Unfortunately, that is ancient history along with with Annie's soapy, the original soapy across the parking lot from Nana. Both venues closed with COVID, and Marc died in a shootout with business partners.What happened with the shootout. Left us with a cliffhanger.
CurtisMack
11-24-23, 13:27
First off, thank you to all who helped me and answered my questions on this forum as I prepared for my trip and to all who have posted helpful reports. I could not have had as much success as I did without all your help.
This is going to be a long and detailed report, so TLDR I met girls from SA and had a blast with each one and took one with me to Boracay.
Although I stayed in a hotel in Makati, I am posting in the Manila forum as my experience could have been had anywhere in the Manila area, as I met girls only from SA and did not venture to P Burgos or any area specific to Makati (although I planned to visit P Burgos but was having too much fun with SA girl, so I scratched that plan).
Firstly the other dating sites. I also signed up for pinalove and filipinocupid, but did not meet any girls from those sites. A lot of the girls were, sorry to say, just not attractive enough for me. Also I was ignoring any profiles that were empty or near empty (just one or two sentences), had phone number in the profile or said "serious relationship only not for fun". That may have been a reason why I couldn't find any girls on those sites. There may have been some hot legit girls who were down for just fun among the ones I ignored. The few girls I did find extremely hot and met my profile requirements did not respond to my messages. I tried on those sites for a few days then gave up. There were just way too many profiles that did not interest me, and I use SA back home and am familiar with sugaring and just felt more comfortable using SA.
Now on to SA. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I was looking to have some fun in Manila then BYOG to Boracay, so I added "travel with you" to my "show members seeking" filter. I also added filters to "do not show members seeking" for "seeking transgender," and "seeking trans-friendly" (note I still got trans girls in my search, so be wary). I added some basic information about me and was up-front in my profile and stated that I was just looking for temporary fun and to find someone to go with me on a weekend getaway. About a week before my arrival I set my location to Makati and started going through profiles. I ignored profiles that were empty or near-empty, had only one photo, had only obviously filtered photos or had only "glam" photos and no "real" cellphone photos. I opened with a brief message that mentioned something from her profile to show I'm not just copy-pasting my messages and said that I would like to discuss arrangements outside of the site on whatsapp. I got a response from about half of the girls I messaged.
After moving to whatsapp I laid out my proposal. 3 k for first meet (coffee or drinks). If we move the meet to my hotel for a LT date another 4 k. Any additional LT dates 7 k each time. If she comes to Boracay with me (3 nights) then 35 k plus cost of travel. I specified that the 35 k would be given at the end of the trip as to protect myself from no-shows and bailers. Note that back home I never offer anything for first meet over coffee or drinks, as all of the SBs back home have cars and can drive themselves. I figured 3 K for just a meet would be enough to draw interest and an amount I would be okay with giving if things didn't proceed from there. It didn't matter in the end because no initial meet did not end up back in my hotel room, as I banged each girl I met. Also I know many of you will probably say I overpaid, but compared to sugaring back home it is just a fraction of the price. I wanted to make an offer that would get a lot of initial interest and was an amount I would be happy with.
From the messages I started blocking girls who either asked for money up front or asked if I wanted to buy pics / vids. One girl started giving me a sob story about family hospital bills, and although she didn't ask for money, my senses were telling me she would soon, so I told her I didn't think we would hit it off and blocked her. A couple girls told me up front that they would be unable to go with me to Boracay, but would still be open to meet up. I kept those girls in my back pocket.
Of the girls that were interested, some did not respond after first day of chatting. Of the ones that maintained contact, I started to talk in more detail about what I was looking for in arrangement. I mentioned that I liked BBBJ, DATY and bb sex. Those that did not want to do those I told them sorry it won't work out and ended communication. Of those that were okay with those, I requested a quick video chat. There was none who denied, so it was easy to verify all of the girls I was still chatting with were real and can speak English very well. At this point I was left with six potentials.
Day 1 - Girls 1 and 2.
Girl 1. Met at Starbucks. We met early afternoon, as I had planned to meet with another girl later that night. She was an hour and half late, but as previous posts in this thread had mentioned, this was expected and I prepared for that by choosing the Starbucks right across the street from my hotel. She was super cute and even better looking in person compared to our video chat. No extra fat on her and very attractive. We had a great chat, and she was very excited about the possibility of going to Boracay, as she said she has never been. It was time to see how we got along in the sack. I invited her up to my hotel room where we chatted a little more on the couch before things started to get handsy and soon we were making out. BBBJ on the couch before we moved to the bed where we had excellent sex. She tasted clean. She said she wasn't on birth control so asked me to finish outside so I obliged and decorated her stomach. First sex of the trip so I blew my load pretty quickly. But after a quick rinse in the shower and some chit chat while naked in the bed I was ready for round 2. Again great sex and this time I finished in doggy and decorated her back. She was very intimate and I had such great sex that I had a strong feeling that she would be hard to beat. But later that night I met girl #2.
Girl 2. Asked her to meet me at my hotel bar. This one was actually on time. This one was even more attractive than the first. We had a drink and I had a great chat with her as well. After we finished our drinks I was about to invite her up to my room, but before I could she asked if I wanted to have another drink at a different bar. That sounded like fun, so I agreed. She gave me the name of the place she wanted to go and I called a grab. We got to the bar and had a couple drinks. During this time she was getting more and more flirty and handsy. This was getting me aroused and at times causing me to get an erection that I was trying to hide as I didn't want other patrons of the bar seeing me walking around with a raging hard-on LOL. BTW I highly recommend cialis over viagra. At times I have difficulty getting it up when I go on sex marathons, and this was my first time using cialis. My friend told me how much better it is because you can just take it early in the day and you will be ready when it comes time, unlike viagra where you have to time it an hour before. Cialis worked like a charm. I took it a couple hours before meeting the first girl, and I was getting hard like a school boy 12 hours later even after having blown two loads earlier in the day. After a couple drinks we left and she led me around outside to get some late night street food. We then took a grab back to my hotel, where we showered together as I have been sweating buckets in the humid manila heat. Moved to the bed and had even better sex than the first girl. Even more intimate and more into it plus she was on birth control so let me cip. Took another quick shower and she asked if she could take a nap for a couple hours before she left. We went to sleep cuddled up and was awakened by her alarm a couple hours later. She said she was too sleepy and asked if she could just stay the rest of the night. Woke up in the morning and cuddled some more which led to hands roaming and I was hard again. Had a morning sex session, she washed up and left. There was a new front runner.
Day 2.
After Girl 2 left in the morning I did some sight seeing around Manila. After all I came for travel in addition to the girls. I don't like to be misleading, so I messaged Girl 1 to let her know that I met someone that I had a better connection with (although I lied and said I met her the day after instead of a few hours after she left LOL) and said I'm sorry but we probably won't be going to Boracay together. She said she understood. I also arranged another date with Girl 2 for the following day. She offered to spend the day with me and show me around Manila a bit. So we agree to a day date around the city then dinner. I had arranged a date with Girl 3 for the night but she messaged me to say that she was on her period, but that she was towards the end of it, so we postponed until Day 4. Girl 3 BTW is the only one who countered me and asked for more. She asked for 10 k each date and 40 k for the Boracay trip. This girl is insanely hot. She looked like a 10/10 absolute bombshell in her photos that I thought were too good to be true, but our video chat confirmed that she was real, and this was still far less than what I would pay for sugaring back home, so I agreed. After Girl 3 messaged to postpone, I tried messaging the two girls who I had been keeping in my back pocket who couldn't go with me for the weekend but still open to meet. One said she couldn't meet that night but the other was available. However the messages started to feel weird. She was way too eager in the messages with the "oh baby I can't wait to meet and fuck you" and "I can't wait to suck your dick". I tried to re-confirm with her the amount for the PPM, but each time I asked "so is 7 k good with you" instead of confirming she would just respond with "I want your cock so bad". I didn't like the way the conversation was going so I told her never mind and blocked her. It was late, so no sex this night.
Day 3.
Girl 2 again. Met at my hotel early afternoon, and she took me to a museum and we walked around SM MOA. When she suggested the mall I thought she would surely ask me to buy her something, but she just bought some stuff with her own money. After that dinner at a place I had been wanting to to go then back to my hotel for another round of great sex ending in cip. At this point I was pretty certain she is the one I'll be taking with me to Boracay as she was so fun to talk to and the sex has been fantastic. Only one round of sex but I was tired from all the walking around that day anyways. She said she couldn't meet the next two days as she had some stuff to do, so we agreed our next meet would be the day we leave for Boracay. This put me in a dilemma, as I had hoped the one I went with would meet up the day before the trip, so I can pay for the trip once I am certain of my choice, and I still hadn't met the insanely hot Girl 3. So I told Girl 2 that I wanted her to go with me, but I had hoped to meet the day before for me to buy the fights. She proposed instead that she buy the fights herself and that I just pay her back, which was the perfect solution. Again as I try to be honorable with the ladies I told her that I was meeting someone else the next day, so she told me to message her after my date to confirm. These girls probably already assume that men are seeing multiple girls anyways, so she didn't react negatively at all and was very understanding. At this point I thought Girls 4, 5 and 6 had virtually no chance of beating out Girl 2 as my time remaining in Manila was running short, so I let them know that sorry but I don't think it's happening. They were all very understanding.
Day 4.
I messaged Girl 3 to see what time she could meet up with me. While waiting her response I checked out a couple other museums. Girl 3 got back to me and said she was still on her period and didn't think she would be off it until the following day. At this point as much as it hurt me to give up on this bombshell, I told her that would be too late, and I will have to make a decision before then. She understood. But I still wanted to bang this girl badly I told her if she's open to just meeting for one PPM for the agreed upon 10 k I can see her the next day. She said she would get back to me. I never heard from her again. Meanwhile Girl 1 whom I have already told we were not going to Boracay together had been messaging me every day just to chat over whatsapp. So I figured maybe she just wants another PPM, so I asked if she wanted to meet up again just for a PPM. She said yes but that she wasn't going to be in the area until the next day. So we arranged to meet tomorrow instead. So then I reached out to the one back pocket girl I had remaining, and she was available. If she hadn't been available I probably would have ventured out to P Burgos, but backup girl met me at the hotel bar. Had a drink and yet another good chat before moving to my room. This one was the least attractive of the girls I've met, but still very attractive. The sex was yet again incredible. At this point I'm wondering is every girl in the Philippines very intimate and GFE or am I just getting lucky? This one was on birth control so I finished cip. A quick rinse in the shower, small talk in bed, then round 2 cip finish. She left and I slept like a baby.
Day 5.
I told Girl 2 we are good to go, so I told her the flight numbers of my departure and returning flights and she bought them and sent me a screenshot (came out to more than 9 k but less than 10 k). She told me she would be at my hotel 4 hours before flight time. She's been on time for our previous dates, so I wasn't too concerned about her showing up late and missing our flight. Spent my last full day in Manila checking out a few other places and eating at restaurants I had been wanting to go. After dinner Girl 1 arrived, and had another great time in the sack again but with no cip. She lives in a province about an hour away (2-3 hours by bus) so she said unfortunately could not stay for round 2. That was fine with me as the sex was so good anyways and she is so cute and pretty I felt like I got my money's worth. She left and I started to pack my things so I can be prepared to check out the next day.
Days 6-9.
I will keep this part just as a summary. Girl 2 arrived on time, I gave her 10 k for the flights and headed to the airport. The 3 nights in Boracay might be the best 3 night stretch of my life. Spending that time with a beautiful woman with plenty of sex at a resort with beautiful beaches and some fantastic snorkeling will be unforgettable. My suite came with a balcony hot tub and we made sure to have sex in that too. At the end gave her the agreed upon amount plus 5 k extra because she was everything I hoped for and more. We departed ways and she said if I'm ever in the Philippines again to give her a message. I don't know when I'll go back, but if I do I will definitely be reaching out to her.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines.
ShinyCrazy
11-24-23, 20:00
What happened with the shootout. Left us with a cliffhanger.https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2022/06/au-revoir-monsieur/
https://www.stickmanbangkok.com/weekly-column/2022/06/au-revoir-monsieur/Great article. Thanks. So what made his clubs so much better than the others, and why didn't people just copy his business model.
Expat American
11-25-23, 08:50
First off, thank you to all who helped me and answered my questions on this forum as I prepared for my trip and to all who have posted helpful reports. I could not have had as much success as I did without all your help.
This is going to be a long and detailed report, so TLDR I met girls from SA and had a blast with each one and took one with me to Boracay.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines.Excellent report and you showed people a completely different way to enjoy Manila. Most people will say you overpaid but actually you paid no more than your Burgos bar girl and got a much nicer experience with a less jaded girl. Glad to hear the trip to Boracay worked out. Sometimes it doesn't work to take the girl with you but your screening methods seemed sound. The only part I was surprised with was the 3 K just to meet offer. I would have thought girls would abuse that but I guess the 4 k sweetener to fuck was enough to keep them honest.
WestCoast1
11-25-23, 17:39
Girl 1. SNIP She said she wasn't on birth control so asked me to finish outside so I obliged and decorated her stomach. First sex of the trip so I blew my load pretty quickly. But after a quick rinse in the shower and some chit chat while naked in the bed I was ready for round 2. Again great sex and this time I finished in doggy and decorated her back. She was very intimate and I had such great sex that I had a strong feeling that she would be hard to beat. Damn! The things you put up with in Phils.
Girl 2. SNIP Moved to the bed and had even better sex than the first girl. Even more intimate and more into it plus she was on birth control so let me cip. Took another quick shower and she asked if she could take a nap for a couple hours before she left. We went to sleep cuddled up and was awakened by her alarm a couple hours later. She said she was too sleepy and asked if she could just stay the rest of the night. Woke up in the morning and cuddled some more which led to hands roaming and I was hard again. Had a morning sex session, she washed up and left. There was a new front runner.Damn!
Girl 2 again. Met at my hotel early afternoon, and she took me to a museum and we walked around SM MOA. When she suggested the mall I thought she would surely ask me to buy her something, but she just bought some stuff with her own money. After that dinner at a place I had been wanting to to go then back to my hotel for another round of great sex ending in cip. Damn!
So then I reached out to the one back pocket girl I had remaining, and she was available. If she hadn't been available I probably would have ventured out to P Burgos, but backup girl met me at the hotel bar. Had a drink and yet another good chat before moving to my room. This one was the least attractive of the girls I've met, but still very attractive. The sex was yet again incredible. At this point I'm wondering is every girl in the Philippines very intimate and GFE or am I just getting lucky? This one was on birth control so I finished cip. A quick rinse in the shower, small talk in bed, then round 2 cip finish. She left and I slept like a baby.Damn!
After dinner Girl 1 arrived, and had another great time in the sack again but with no cip. She lives in a province about an hour away (2-3 hours by bus) so she said unfortunately could not stay for round 2. That was fine with me as the sex was so good anyways and she is so cute and pretty I felt like I got my money's worth. Damn!
The 3 nights in Boracay might be the best 3 night stretch of my life. Spending that time with a beautiful woman with plenty of sex at a resort with beautiful beaches and some fantastic snorkeling will be unforgettable. My suite came with a balcony hot tub and we made sure to have sex in that too. At the end gave her the agreed upon amount plus 5 k extra because she was everything I hoped for and more. We departed ways and she said if I'm ever in the Philippines again to give her a message. I don't know when I'll go back, but if I do I will definitely be reaching out to her.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines. Double-damn! Some guys are destined to have fun in Phils. Others are destined for Thai-Nesia. Or Brazil. Its like an advertisement.
CM: Great informative / descriptive post deserves a pic of 75-pound Pilipina. Newbs take notes on how to write a field report. Get some!
Excellent report and you showed people a completely different way to enjoy Manila. Most people will say you overpaid but actually you paid no more than your Burgos bar girl and got a much nicer experience with a less jaded girl. Glad to hear the trip to Boracay worked out. Sometimes it doesn't work to take the girl with you but your screening methods seemed sound. The only part I was surprised with was the 3 K just to meet offer. I would have thought girls would abuse that but I guess the 4 k sweetener to fuck was enough to keep them honest.Curtis Mack,
Excellent operating plan and exceptional execution! Overpaid? I don't think so for the quality experiences. Many would have paid half the price for FL and gotten less than 50% of the experience.
My hat is off to you.
Excellent report and you showed people a completely different way to enjoy Manila. Most people will say you overpaid but actually you paid no more than your Burgos bar girl and got a much nicer experience with a less jaded girl. Glad to hear the trip to Boracay worked out. Sometimes it doesn't work to take the girl with you but your screening methods seemed sound. The only part I was surprised with was the 3 K just to meet offer. I would have thought girls would abuse that but I guess the 4 k sweetener to fuck was enough to keep them honest.I'm the Cheap Charlie who would normally point out that a guy has over paid. However, that was one hell of a post and $1000 very well spent. It was nice to read a good news story. Well done to Curtis.
As an aside, not many girls can / will drop 10 k on an airfare at a moment's notice based solely on a monger's promise. He definitely had the cheat code for gaining the girls' trust and best performance.
Cheers. G.
Damn! The things you put up with in Phils.
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Double-damn! Some guys are destined to have fun in Phils. Others are destined for Thai-Nesia. Or Brazil. Its like an advertisement.
CM: Great informative / descriptive post deserves a pic of 75-pound Pilipina. Newbs take notes on how to write a field report. Get some!Now that fulfills the purpose of ISG.
It was International.
He had Sex! Unlike others NaySayers no sex rants.
He informatively guide us thru it.
ISG.
All he needs to do is pass on his #2 contact to me! LOL.
ShinyCrazy
11-25-23, 23:21
Great article. Thanks. So what made his clubs so much better than the others, and why didn't people just copy his business model.I have no idea why other venue owners did not copy his business model. You were required to purchase two girls for 90 minutes. That was the program, and the girls usually had a plan of action in the room. You mostly followed their lead once you entered the room. You would select one girl from the left side of the yellow line. That girl was the girl that you selected based on her attractiveness to you, then you would choose a girl from the other side of the yellow line, which meant that she was a 3 holer. Those girls were often less pretty, but not always. It was usually best to allow the first girl to choose the 3 holer girl, since she often had a favorite partner or friend. This allowed the first pretty girl to gain "face" with her friend by providing her with work.
Marc trained the girls to single-mindedly extract as many orgasms from you as was physically possible in 90 minutes and they were willing to do anything to rack up their score. It was like a game to the girls. I once came 5 times in 90 minutes. I didn't think it was humanly possible, but they just wouldn't stop. It was unbelievable.
ShinyCrazy
11-25-23, 23:48
Great field report! Looks like I should consider Seeking. Currently, I have used fake photos and a fake identity to create an anonymous FB account to follow "walker / klaw" groups and an anonymous Pinalove account to find semi-pros, but it all seems like a lot of work. I didn't think these venues would be necessary in Makati, but I figured they might be crucial for my planned detour to Bohol.
After reading your experience, it really sounds like Seeking (or Tinder) might be a higher class of companion. I hate to make things even more complicated. Is it easy enough to create an anonymous account on Seeking (or Tinder) and pay for it using a prepaid debit card?
All he needs to do is pass on his #2 contact to me! LOL.And photos. We need photos. 😜.
After reading your experience, it really sounds like Seeking (or Tinder) might be a higher class of companion. I hate to make things even more complicated. Is it easy enough to create an anonymous account on Seeking (or Tinder) and pay for it using a prepaid debit card?Yes, Seeking and Tinder generally do have the better quality girls. Of course, they are aware of this too and charge accordingly. By "better" I mean the magic combination of looks, age, education and being able to hold a more in-depth conversation than a destitute farmer's daughter.
Years ago, I set up a fake Seeking account without issue. I assume it's the same today.
When I set up my fake Tinder account, I needed a FB account with (fake) selfies. They also have optional photo verification and some girls are very wary of guys' profiles that are unverified.
Good luck. G.
First off, thank you to all who helped me and answered my questions on this forum as I prepared for my trip and to all who have posted helpful reports. I could not have had as much success as I did without all your help.
This is going to be a long and detailed report, so TLDR I met girls from SA and had a blast with each one and took one with me to Boracay.
Although I stayed in a hotel in Makati, I am posting in the Manila forum as my experience could have been had anywhere in the Manila area, as I met girls only from SA and did not venture to P Burgos or any area specific to Makati (although I planned to visit P Burgos but was having too much fun with SA girl, so I scratched that plan).
Firstly the other dating sites. I also signed up for pinalove and filipinocupid, but did not meet any girls from those sites. A lot of the girls were, sorry to say, just not attractive enough for me. Also I was ignoring any profiles that were empty or near empty (just one or two sentences), had phone number in the profile or said "serious relationship only not for fun". That may have been a reason why I couldn't find any girls on those sites. There may have been some hot legit girls who were down for just fun among the ones I ignored. The few girls I did find extremely hot and met my profile requirements did not respond to my messages. I tried on those sites for a few days then gave up. There were just way too many profiles that did not interest me, and I use SA back home and am familiar with sugaring and just felt more comfortable using SA.
Now on to SA. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I was looking to have some fun in Manila then BYOG to Boracay, so I added "travel with you" to my "show members seeking" filter. I also added filters to "do not show members seeking" for "seeking transgender," and "seeking trans-friendly" (note I still got trans girls in my search, so be wary). I added some basic information about me and was up-front in my profile and stated that I was just looking for temporary fun and to find someone to go with me on a weekend getaway. About a week before my arrival I set my location to Makati and started going through profiles. I ignored profiles that were empty or near-empty, had only one photo, had only obviously filtered photos or had only "glam" photos and no "real" cellphone photos. I opened with a brief message that mentioned something from her profile to show I'm not just copy-pasting my messages and said that I would like to discuss arrangements outside of the site on whatsapp. I got a response from about half of the girls I messaged.
After moving to whatsapp I laid out my proposal. 3 k for first meet (coffee or drinks). If we move the meet to my hotel for a LT date another 4 k. Any additional LT dates 7 k each time. If she comes to Boracay with me (3 nights) then 35 k plus cost of travel. I specified that the 35 k would be given at the end of the trip as to protect myself from no-shows and bailers. Note that back home I never offer anything for first meet over coffee or drinks, as all of the SBs back home have cars and can drive themselves. I figured 3 K for just a meet would be enough to draw interest and an amount I would be okay with giving if things didn't proceed from there. It didn't matter in the end because no initial meet did not end up back in my hotel room, as I banged each girl I met. Also I know many of you will probably say I overpaid, but compared to sugaring back home it is just a fraction of the price. I wanted to make an offer that would get a lot of initial interest and was an amount I would be happy with.
From the messages I started blocking girls who either asked for money up front or asked if I wanted to buy pics / vids. One girl started giving me a sob story about family hospital bills, and although she didn't ask for money, my senses were telling me she would soon, so I told her I didn't think we would hit it off and blocked her. A couple girls told me up front that they would be unable to go with me to Boracay, but would still be open to meet up. I kept those girls in my back pocket.
Of the girls that were interested, some did not respond after first day of chatting. Of the ones that maintained contact, I started to talk in more detail about what I was looking for in arrangement. I mentioned that I liked BBBJ, DATY and bb sex. Those that did not want to do those I told them sorry it won't work out and ended communication. Of those that were okay with those, I requested a quick video chat. There was none who denied, so it was easy to verify all of the girls I was still chatting with were real and can speak English very well. At this point I was left with six potentials.
Day 1 - Girls 1 and 2.
Girl 1. Met at Starbucks. We met early afternoon, as I had planned to meet with another girl later that night. She was an hour and half late, but as previous posts in this thread had mentioned, this was expected and I prepared for that by choosing the Starbucks right across the street from my hotel. She was super cute and even better looking in person compared to our video chat. No extra fat on her and very attractive. We had a great chat, and she was very excited about the possibility of going to Boracay, as she said she has never been. It was time to see how we got along in the sack. I invited her up to my hotel room where we chatted a little more on the couch before things started to get handsy and soon we were making out. BBBJ on the couch before we moved to the bed where we had excellent sex. She tasted clean. She said she wasn't on birth control so asked me to finish outside so I obliged and decorated her stomach. First sex of the trip so I blew my load pretty quickly. But after a quick rinse in the shower and some chit chat while naked in the bed I was ready for round 2. Again great sex and this time I finished in doggy and decorated her back. She was very intimate and I had such great sex that I had a strong feeling that she would be hard to beat. But later that night I met girl #2.
Girl 2. Asked her to meet me at my hotel bar. This one was actually on time. This one was even more attractive than the first. We had a drink and I had a great chat with her as well. After we finished our drinks I was about to invite her up to my room, but before I could she asked if I wanted to have another drink at a different bar. That sounded like fun, so I agreed. She gave me the name of the place she wanted to go and I called a grab. We got to the bar and had a couple drinks. During this time she was getting more and more flirty and handsy. This was getting me aroused and at times causing me to get an erection that I was trying to hide as I didn't want other patrons of the bar seeing me walking around with a raging hard-on LOL. BTW I highly recommend cialis over viagra. At times I have difficulty getting it up when I go on sex marathons, and this was my first time using cialis. My friend told me how much better it is because you can just take it early in the day and you will be ready when it comes time, unlike viagra where you have to time it an hour before. Cialis worked like a charm. I took it a couple hours before meeting the first girl, and I was getting hard like a school boy 12 hours later even after having blown two loads earlier in the day. After a couple drinks we left and she led me around outside to get some late night street food. We then took a grab back to my hotel, where we showered together as I have been sweating buckets in the humid manila heat. Moved to the bed and had even better sex than the first girl. Even more intimate and more into it plus she was on birth control so let me cip. Took another quick shower and she asked if she could take a nap for a couple hours before she left. We went to sleep cuddled up and was awakened by her alarm a couple hours later. She said she was too sleepy and asked if she could just stay the rest of the night. Woke up in the morning and cuddled some more which led to hands roaming and I was hard again. Had a morning sex session, she washed up and left. There was a new front runner.
Day 2.
After Girl 2 left in the morning I did some sight seeing around Manila. After all I came for travel in addition to the girls. I don't like to be misleading, so I messaged Girl 1 to let her know that I met someone that I had a better connection with (although I lied and said I met her the day after instead of a few hours after she left LOL) and said I'm sorry but we probably won't be going to Boracay together. She said she understood. I also arranged another date with Girl 2 for the following day. She offered to spend the day with me and show me around Manila a bit. So we agree to a day date around the city then dinner. I had arranged a date with Girl 3 for the night but she messaged me to say that she was on her period, but that she was towards the end of it, so we postponed until Day 4. Girl 3 BTW is the only one who countered me and asked for more. She asked for 10 k each date and 40 k for the Boracay trip. This girl is insanely hot. She looked like a 10/10 absolute bombshell in her photos that I thought were too good to be true, but our video chat confirmed that she was real, and this was still far less than what I would pay for sugaring back home, so I agreed. After Girl 3 messaged to postpone, I tried messaging the two girls who I had been keeping in my back pocket who couldn't go with me for the weekend but still open to meet. One said she couldn't meet that night but the other was available. However the messages started to feel weird. She was way too eager in the messages with the "oh baby I can't wait to meet and fuck you" and "I can't wait to suck your dick". I tried to re-confirm with her the amount for the PPM, but each time I asked "so is 7 k good with you" instead of confirming she would just respond with "I want your cock so bad". I didn't like the way the conversation was going so I told her never mind and blocked her. It was late, so no sex this night.
Day 3.
Girl 2 again. Met at my hotel early afternoon, and she took me to a museum and we walked around SM MOA. When she suggested the mall I thought she would surely ask me to buy her something, but she just bought some stuff with her own money. After that dinner at a place I had been wanting to to go then back to my hotel for another round of great sex ending in cip. At this point I was pretty certain she is the one I'll be taking with me to Boracay as she was so fun to talk to and the sex has been fantastic. Only one round of sex but I was tired from all the walking around that day anyways. She said she couldn't meet the next two days as she had some stuff to do, so we agreed our next meet would be the day we leave for Boracay. This put me in a dilemma, as I had hoped the one I went with would meet up the day before the trip, so I can pay for the trip once I am certain of my choice, and I still hadn't met the insanely hot Girl 3. So I told Girl 2 that I wanted her to go with me, but I had hoped to meet the day before for me to buy the fights. She proposed instead that she buy the fights herself and that I just pay her back, which was the perfect solution. Again as I try to be honorable with the ladies I told her that I was meeting someone else the next day, so she told me to message her after my date to confirm. These girls probably already assume that men are seeing multiple girls anyways, so she didn't react negatively at all and was very understanding. At this point I thought Girls 4, 5 and 6 had virtually no chance of beating out Girl 2 as my time remaining in Manila was running short, so I let them know that sorry but I don't think it's happening. They were all very understanding.
Day 4.
I messaged Girl 3 to see what time she could meet up with me. While waiting her response I checked out a couple other museums. Girl 3 got back to me and said she was still on her period and didn't think she would be off it until the following day. At this point as much as it hurt me to give up on this bombshell, I told her that would be too late, and I will have to make a decision before then. She understood. But I still wanted to bang this girl badly I told her if she's open to just meeting for one PPM for the agreed upon 10 k I can see her the next day. She said she would get back to me. I never heard from her again. Meanwhile Girl 1 whom I have already told we were not going to Boracay together had been messaging me every day just to chat over whatsapp. So I figured maybe she just wants another PPM, so I asked if she wanted to meet up again just for a PPM. She said yes but that she wasn't going to be in the area until the next day. So we arranged to meet tomorrow instead. So then I reached out to the one back pocket girl I had remaining, and she was available. If she hadn't been available I probably would have ventured out to P Burgos, but backup girl met me at the hotel bar. Had a drink and yet another good chat before moving to my room. This one was the least attractive of the girls I've met, but still very attractive. The sex was yet again incredible. At this point I'm wondering is every girl in the Philippines very intimate and GFE or am I just getting lucky? This one was on birth control so I finished cip. A quick rinse in the shower, small talk in bed, then round 2 cip finish. She left and I slept like a baby.
Day 5.
I told Girl 2 we are good to go, so I told her the flight numbers of my departure and returning flights and she bought them and sent me a screenshot (came out to more than 9 k but less than 10 k). She told me she would be at my hotel 4 hours before flight time. She's been on time for our previous dates, so I wasn't too concerned about her showing up late and missing our flight. Spent my last full day in Manila checking out a few other places and eating at restaurants I had been wanting to go. After dinner Girl 1 arrived, and had another great time in the sack again but with no cip. She lives in a province about an hour away (2-3 hours by bus) so she said unfortunately could not stay for round 2. That was fine with me as the sex was so good anyways and she is so cute and pretty I felt like I got my money's worth. She left and I started to pack my things so I can be prepared to check out the next day.
Days 6-9.
I will keep this part just as a summary. Girl 2 arrived on time, I gave her 10 k for the flights and headed to the airport. The 3 nights in Boracay might be the best 3 night stretch of my life. Spending that time with a beautiful woman with plenty of sex at a resort with beautiful beaches and some fantastic snorkeling will be unforgettable. My suite came with a balcony hot tub and we made sure to have sex in that too. At the end gave her the agreed upon amount plus 5 k extra because she was everything I hoped for and more. We departed ways and she said if I'm ever in the Philippines again to give her a message. I don't know when I'll go back, but if I do I will definitely be reaching out to her.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines.I would have to agree with how you did your trip. If I had to do it over again, I would have avoided AC, and mabini street area and all the ktvs. Wasted time and money. Being with the hottest SA girls and taking a good one to boracay is the play. All newbies should follow his lead.
WestCoast1
11-26-23, 04:42
All he needs to do is pass on his #2 contact to me! LOL.
And photos. We need photos. 😜.CM, if you don't have photos, sketches will do 😜. We aren't picky.
Finnish Fucker
11-26-23, 18:51
I would have to agree with how you did your trip. If I had to do it over again, I would have avoided AC, and mabini street area and all the ktvs. Wasted time and money. Being with the hottest SA girls and taking a good one to boracay is the play. All newbies should follow his lead.Boracay mentioned here so I was wondering how is the P 4 P scene there nowadays? Enough pretty freelancers to be picked up or always better to bring your babe with you? I was there over 10 years ago and the island treated me well.
CurtisMack
11-27-23, 05:07
After reading your experience, it really sounds like Seeking (or Tinder) might be a higher class of companion. I hate to make things even more complicated. Is it easy enough to create an anonymous account on Seeking (or Tinder) and pay for it using a prepaid debit card?Yes, it is very easy for SA. However, if you are going to sign up for a premium subscription to reach out to girls, I recommend using real photos. Or another option is once the conversation moves to whatsapp and you are at a point where you are going to arrange a video call and first meet, then let her know that the photos in your profile are fake for privacy reasons, then share real photos through whatsapp. Showing up to a video chat or first meet as a different person from the photos will be a bad first impression and hurt your chances of building trust. But if you are going to use it just to browse profiles and take a look at what's out there, you don't even need to put up any photos. You can browse profiles with a non-premium account with no photos. Also, I don't know if it's different in the Philippines, but back home it is much harder to get a response to your message if you do not have photos that show face and full body. And remember to NEVER use or share any photos that have been posted anywhere else on your other social medias. The photos you share should not be able to be reverse image searched. Take photos just for SA purposes and use those only for SA. Also, always use a fake name, and fake or vague description about your job. If someone googles your name and job, your linkedin profile should not show up. So you could say your name is Mike from Texas who is an entrepreneur. Do not share any information specific enough for someone to google you and find your real info. Side note, Girl 2 eventually did learn my real name. Since I had to use my real name to book my flight to Boracay, the attendant at the check-in counter at the airport used my real name in front of her, so at that point I told her my real name. She also shared me her real name and we even exchanged our personal instagrams, so it's all out there for her now.
As an aside, not many girls can / will drop 10 k on an airfare at a moment's notice based solely on a monger's promise. He definitely had the cheat code for gaining the girls' trust and best performance.As I mentioned, I have experience using SA back home, so I have learned a few things to help build the trust. One thing is to hand her the PPM amount as soon as you meet. So that 3 k for the initial meet I handed over right away as soon as we sat down. Also, a tip is to use a discreet method to hand over the amount. I just went to a nearby pharmacy and was able to find a packet of envelopes and used that to hand over the fee. Also, using real photos that show a face selfie and fully body will be better for first impression. I am overweight and do not have the most handsome face, but I put those up anyways, and I think that being open and honest about my appearance helped to earn her trust. Also be honest in whatsapp communications. Both the men and ladies know what we are hear for, so no need to be shy about it. Talk about intimacy before setting up a meet. It can be as simple as, "I am looking for a person who likes dates that include intimacy. Is that something you enjoy as well? What kinds of things do you like to do and not like to do during intimacy?" I always mentioned previous to setting up meets that I like BB sex, and that I had test recent test results ready to share if needed (although none asked to see them).
All he needs to do is pass on his #2 contact to me! LOL.LOL sorry fellas! But as a general rule I do not share contact info with ladies I describe on boards. Especially as I mentioned above that Girl 2 has my real name and personal instagram.
And photos. We need photos. 😜.LOL sorry again. I only have photos and vids of Girl 2 from our time in Boracay, and I am not about to share photos of someone who knows my real identity.
CurtisMack
11-27-23, 05:49
Boracay mentioned here so I was wondering how is the P 4 P scene there nowadays? Enough pretty freelancers to be picked up or always better to bring your babe with you? I was there over 10 years ago and the island treated me well.I did not partake obviously, as I had a girl with me. But while walking around the beach walk at night with my BYOG girl, I noticed several girls who looked like FLs to me just standing around and a few even shot a smile at me when we made eye contact. I have read in prior reports that they will approach you, but since I obviously had a girl with me already I was never approached, so I cannot say with 100% certainty that they were FLs, but based on how they were dressed and the fact that they were just standing around makes me think that they were. Of course they could just be girls hanging out taking a break from partying, but my sixth sense was telling me they were FLs. I can't speak to whether there are more or less than prior years, as it was my first time visiting.
Paying girls just to show up to brunch / dinner / coffee is about as detrimental to the Manila SA scene as it can get. Pre-covid you could get these girls for 5 k all night BBFS, 10 k max if you really wanted the girl. A weekend trip to boracay could be had for 15 k all in plus travel expenses. I can now see why the S. A. Scene has deteriorated so much post covid. It's bad enough that my buddies and I who have been long term subscribers basically packed up our memberships because the amount of work needed to get girls there just wasn't worth the quality of girls available, which has also taken a massive dive since the pandemic. In 2019 you could get anything from licensed professionals to university students studying to get into the top jobs in the country, many of them from middle class and wealthy families. Now most of the girls there are wannabe insta hoes who claim to be models but their portfolio is just them taking pictures for their friend's online shop, but they deserve 15 k for condom sex because they're strong, independent boss bitches.
These girls talk to each other on forums and groups of their own, and word spreads like fire in PH. So don't be surprised when girls start asking for 5 k deposit to meet, because we're now starting normalise paying the equivalent of one week's minimum wage for a girl to just sit down, eat and talk for 30 mins to an hour. No pok pok necessary.
I'm glad people are enjoying PH for the same cost as back home (yes, as know NY / California / vegas are more expensive, but there are far more affordable places in the west too). But is it really necessary to fly all the way out here for that?
Big Sabbal
11-28-23, 11:03
All most all the girls in Philippines are friendly and give so much in return. They are really lovely and make great partners in bed.
First off, thank you to all who helped me and answered my questions on this forum as I prepared for my trip and to all who have posted helpful reports. I could not have had as much success as I did without all your help.
This is going to be a long and detailed report, so TLDR I met girls from SA and had a blast with each one and took one with me to Boracay.
Although I stayed in a hotel in Makati, I am posting in the Manila forum as my experience could have been had anywhere in the Manila area, as I met girls only from SA and did not venture to P Burgos or any area specific to Makati (although I planned to visit P Burgos but was having too much fun with SA girl, so I scratched that plan).
Firstly the other dating sites. I also signed up for pinalove and filipinocupid, but did not meet any girls from those sites. A lot of the girls were, sorry to say, just not attractive enough for me. Also I was ignoring any profiles that were empty or near empty (just one or two sentences), had phone number in the profile or said "serious relationship only not for fun". That may have been a reason why I couldn't find any girls on those sites. There may have been some hot legit girls who were down for just fun among the ones I ignored. The few girls I did find extremely hot and met my profile requirements did not respond to my messages. I tried on those sites for a few days then gave up. There were just way too many profiles that did not interest me, and I use SA back home and am familiar with sugaring and just felt more comfortable using SA.
Now on to SA. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I was looking to have some fun in Manila then BYOG to Boracay, so I added "travel with you" to my "show members seeking" filter. I also added filters to "do not show members seeking" for "seeking transgender," and "seeking trans-friendly" (note I still got trans girls in my search, so be wary). I added some basic information about me and was up-front in my profile and stated that I was just looking for temporary fun and to find someone to go with me on a weekend getaway. About a week before my arrival I set my location to Makati and started going through profiles. I ignored profiles that were empty or near-empty, had only one photo, had only obviously filtered photos or had only "glam" photos and no "real" cellphone photos. I opened with a brief message that mentioned something from her profile to show I'm not just copy-pasting my messages and said that I would like to discuss arrangements outside of the site on whatsapp. I got a response from about half of the girls I messaged.
After moving to whatsapp I laid out my proposal. 3 k for first meet (coffee or drinks). If we move the meet to my hotel for a LT date another 4 k. Any additional LT dates 7 k each time. If she comes to Boracay with me (3 nights) then 35 k plus cost of travel. I specified that the 35 k would be given at the end of the trip as to protect myself from no-shows and bailers. Note that back home I never offer anything for first meet over coffee or drinks, as all of the SBs back home have cars and can drive themselves. I figured 3 K for just a meet would be enough to draw interest and an amount I would be okay with giving if things didn't proceed from there. It didn't matter in the end because no initial meet did not end up back in my hotel room, as I banged each girl I met. Also I know many of you will probably say I overpaid, but compared to sugaring back home it is just a fraction of the price. I wanted to make an offer that would get a lot of initial interest and was an amount I would be happy with.
From the messages I started blocking girls who either asked for money up front or asked if I wanted to buy pics / vids. One girl started giving me a sob story about family hospital bills, and although she didn't ask for money, my senses were telling me she would soon, so I told her I didn't think we would hit it off and blocked her. A couple girls told me up front that they would be unable to go with me to Boracay, but would still be open to meet up. I kept those girls in my back pocket.
Of the girls that were interested, some did not respond after first day of chatting. Of the ones that maintained contact, I started to talk in more detail about what I was looking for in arrangement. I mentioned that I liked BBBJ, DATY and bb sex. Those that did not want to do those I told them sorry it won't work out and ended communication. Of those that were okay with those, I requested a quick video chat. There was none who denied, so it was easy to verify all of the girls I was still chatting with were real and can speak English very well. At this point I was left with six potentials.
Day 1 - Girls 1 and 2.
Girl 1. Met at Starbucks. We met early afternoon, as I had planned to meet with another girl later that night. She was an hour and half late, but as previous posts in this thread had mentioned, this was expected and I prepared for that by choosing the Starbucks right across the street from my hotel. She was super cute and even better looking in person compared to our video chat. No extra fat on her and very attractive. We had a great chat, and she was very excited about the possibility of going to Boracay, as she said she has never been. It was time to see how we got along in the sack. I invited her up to my hotel room where we chatted a little more on the couch before things started to get handsy and soon we were making out. BBBJ on the couch before we moved to the bed where we had excellent sex. She tasted clean. She said she wasn't on birth control so asked me to finish outside so I obliged and decorated her stomach. First sex of the trip so I blew my load pretty quickly. But after a quick rinse in the shower and some chit chat while naked in the bed I was ready for round 2. Again great sex and this time I finished in doggy and decorated her back. She was very intimate and I had such great sex that I had a strong feeling that she would be hard to beat. But later that night I met girl #2.
Girl 2. Asked her to meet me at my hotel bar. This one was actually on time. This one was even more attractive than the first. We had a drink and I had a great chat with her as well. After we finished our drinks I was about to invite her up to my room, but before I could she asked if I wanted to have another drink at a different bar. That sounded like fun, so I agreed. She gave me the name of the place she wanted to go and I called a grab. We got to the bar and had a couple drinks. During this time she was getting more and more flirty and handsy. This was getting me aroused and at times causing me to get an erection that I was trying to hide as I didn't want other patrons of the bar seeing me walking around with a raging hard-on LOL. BTW I highly recommend cialis over viagra. At times I have difficulty getting it up when I go on sex marathons, and this was my first time using cialis. My friend told me how much better it is because you can just take it early in the day and you will be ready when it comes time, unlike viagra where you have to time it an hour before. Cialis worked like a charm. I took it a couple hours before meeting the first girl, and I was getting hard like a school boy 12 hours later even after having blown two loads earlier in the day. After a couple drinks we left and she led me around outside to get some late night street food. We then took a grab back to my hotel, where we showered together as I have been sweating buckets in the humid manila heat. Moved to the bed and had even better sex than the first girl. Even more intimate and more into it plus she was on birth control so let me cip. Took another quick shower and she asked if she could take a nap for a couple hours before she left. We went to sleep cuddled up and was awakened by her alarm a couple hours later. She said she was too sleepy and asked if she could just stay the rest of the night. Woke up in the morning and cuddled some more which led to hands roaming and I was hard again. Had a morning sex session, she washed up and left. There was a new front runner.
Day 2.
After Girl 2 left in the morning I did some sight seeing around Manila. After all I came for travel in addition to the girls. I don't like to be misleading, so I messaged Girl 1 to let her know that I met someone that I had a better connection with (although I lied and said I met her the day after instead of a few hours after she left LOL) and said I'm sorry but we probably won't be going to Boracay together. She said she understood. I also arranged another date with Girl 2 for the following day. She offered to spend the day with me and show me around Manila a bit. So we agree to a day date around the city then dinner. I had arranged a date with Girl 3 for the night but she messaged me to say that she was on her period, but that she was towards the end of it, so we postponed until Day 4. Girl 3 BTW is the only one who countered me and asked for more. She asked for 10 k each date and 40 k for the Boracay trip. This girl is insanely hot. She looked like a 10/10 absolute bombshell in her photos that I thought were too good to be true, but our video chat confirmed that she was real, and this was still far less than what I would pay for sugaring back home, so I agreed. After Girl 3 messaged to postpone, I tried messaging the two girls who I had been keeping in my back pocket who couldn't go with me for the weekend but still open to meet. One said she couldn't meet that night but the other was available. However the messages started to feel weird. She was way too eager in the messages with the "oh baby I can't wait to meet and fuck you" and "I can't wait to suck your dick". I tried to re-confirm with her the amount for the PPM, but each time I asked "so is 7 k good with you" instead of confirming she would just respond with "I want your cock so bad". I didn't like the way the conversation was going so I told her never mind and blocked her. It was late, so no sex this night.
Day 3.
Girl 2 again. Met at my hotel early afternoon, and she took me to a museum and we walked around SM MOA. When she suggested the mall I thought she would surely ask me to buy her something, but she just bought some stuff with her own money. After that dinner at a place I had been wanting to to go then back to my hotel for another round of great sex ending in cip. At this point I was pretty certain she is the one I'll be taking with me to Boracay as she was so fun to talk to and the sex has been fantastic. Only one round of sex but I was tired from all the walking around that day anyways. She said she couldn't meet the next two days as she had some stuff to do, so we agreed our next meet would be the day we leave for Boracay. This put me in a dilemma, as I had hoped the one I went with would meet up the day before the trip, so I can pay for the trip once I am certain of my choice, and I still hadn't met the insanely hot Girl 3. So I told Girl 2 that I wanted her to go with me, but I had hoped to meet the day before for me to buy the fights. She proposed instead that she buy the fights herself and that I just pay her back, which was the perfect solution. Again as I try to be honorable with the ladies I told her that I was meeting someone else the next day, so she told me to message her after my date to confirm. These girls probably already assume that men are seeing multiple girls anyways, so she didn't react negatively at all and was very understanding. At this point I thought Girls 4, 5 and 6 had virtually no chance of beating out Girl 2 as my time remaining in Manila was running short, so I let them know that sorry but I don't think it's happening. They were all very understanding.
Day 4.
I messaged Girl 3 to see what time she could meet up with me. While waiting her response I checked out a couple other museums. Girl 3 got back to me and said she was still on her period and didn't think she would be off it until the following day. At this point as much as it hurt me to give up on this bombshell, I told her that would be too late, and I will have to make a decision before then. She understood. But I still wanted to bang this girl badly I told her if she's open to just meeting for one PPM for the agreed upon 10 k I can see her the next day. She said she would get back to me. I never heard from her again. Meanwhile Girl 1 whom I have already told we were not going to Boracay together had been messaging me every day just to chat over whatsapp. So I figured maybe she just wants another PPM, so I asked if she wanted to meet up again just for a PPM. She said yes but that she wasn't going to be in the area until the next day. So we arranged to meet tomorrow instead. So then I reached out to the one back pocket girl I had remaining, and she was available. If she hadn't been available I probably would have ventured out to P Burgos, but backup girl met me at the hotel bar. Had a drink and yet another good chat before moving to my room. This one was the least attractive of the girls I've met, but still very attractive. The sex was yet again incredible. At this point I'm wondering is every girl in the Philippines very intimate and GFE or am I just getting lucky? This one was on birth control so I finished cip. A quick rinse in the shower, small talk in bed, then round 2 cip finish. She left and I slept like a baby.
Day 5.
I told Girl 2 we are good to go, so I told her the flight numbers of my departure and returning flights and she bought them and sent me a screenshot (came out to more than 9 k but less than 10 k). She told me she would be at my hotel 4 hours before flight time. She's been on time for our previous dates, so I wasn't too concerned about her showing up late and missing our flight. Spent my last full day in Manila checking out a few other places and eating at restaurants I had been wanting to go. After dinner Girl 1 arrived, and had another great time in the sack again but with no cip. She lives in a province about an hour away (2-3 hours by bus) so she said unfortunately could not stay for round 2. That was fine with me as the sex was so good anyways and she is so cute and pretty I felt like I got my money's worth. She left and I started to pack my things so I can be prepared to check out the next day.
Days 6-9.
I will keep this part just as a summary. Girl 2 arrived on time, I gave her 10 k for the flights and headed to the airport. The 3 nights in Boracay might be the best 3 night stretch of my life. Spending that time with a beautiful woman with plenty of sex at a resort with beautiful beaches and some fantastic snorkeling will be unforgettable. My suite came with a balcony hot tub and we made sure to have sex in that too. At the end gave her the agreed upon amount plus 5 k extra because she was everything I hoped for and more. We departed ways and she said if I'm ever in the Philippines again to give her a message. I don't know when I'll go back, but if I do I will definitely be reaching out to her.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines.
FuriousGeorge
11-28-23, 11:25
I've said it before and I'll say it again. You go to The Philippines ON VACATION. Of course I could date LA girls and get sex for theoretically cheaper if I count dinner and drinks in LA and then I compare it to the airfare and the Central Park Jacuzzi suite in AC. But I go there to relax and chill watch sports in the morning and day drink and wander around and do nothing during the day and then nap and have a raging nightly adventure that always results in bare sex. My monthly credit card charge in LA is generally about 4 k USD for food and entertainment. That's exactly the amount of cash I bring to PH for a month, and I don't use a credit card there so that's a break-even. And I will tell you that 4 k brings me a LOT more fun than it does in LA.
meet, because we're now starting normalise paying the equivalent of one week's minimum wage for a girl to just sit down, eat and talk for 30 mins to an hour. No pok pok necessary.
I'm glad people are enjoying PH for the same cost as back home (yes, as know NY / California / vegas are more expensive, but there are far more affordable places in the west too). But is it really necessary to fly all the way out here for that?
I did not partake obviously, as I had a girl with me. But while walking around the beach walk at night with my BYOG girl, I noticed several girls who looked like FLs to me just standing around and a few even shot a smile at me when we made eye contact. I have read in prior reports that they will approach you, but since I obviously had a girl with me already I was never approached, so I cannot say with 100% certainty that they were FLs, but based on how they were dressed and the fact that they were just standing around makes me think that they were. Of course they could just be girls hanging out taking a break from partying, but my sixth sense was telling me they were FLs. I can't speak to whether there are more or less than prior years, as it was my first time visiting.Thanks for the report but the question to ask is: The girls you saw standing around equivalent in looks to the girl you were with?
Finnish Fucker
11-28-23, 13:16
I did not partake obviously, as I had a girl with me. But while walking around the beach walk at night with my BYOG girl, I noticed several girls who looked like FLs to me just standing around and a few even shot a smile at me when we made eye contact. I have read in prior reports that they will approach you, but since I obviously had a girl with me already I was never approached, so I cannot say with 100% certainty that they were FLs, but based on how they were dressed and the fact that they were just standing around makes me think that they were. Of course they could just be girls hanging out taking a break from partying, but my sixth sense was telling me they were FLs. I can't speak to whether there are more or less than prior years, as it was my first time visiting.Ok, thanks. I guess the bars in Boracay have also freelancers as before. Another sex holiday destination for me could be Cebu. Maybe also AC for a few days.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. You go to The Philippines ON VACATION. Of course I could date LA girls and get sex for theoretically cheaper if I count dinner and drinks in LA and then I compare it to the airfare and the Central Park Jacuzzi suite in AC. But I go there to relax and chill watch sports in the morning and day drink and wander around and do nothing during the day and then nap and have a raging nightly adventure that always results in bare sex. My monthly credit card charge in LA is generally about 4 k USD for food and entertainment. That's exactly the amount of cash I bring to PH for a month, and I don't use a credit card there so that's a break-even. And I will tell you that 4 k brings me a LOT more fun than it does in LA.My point is PH (or at least the S. A. Scene there) won't be cheaper for long if we normalise paying girls to just show up for a meal, and then pay them western prices on top for travel pussy.
We're already seeing the phenomenon of travelling Filipinas all over East Asia who visit for 1-2 weeks and charge $200-300 per hour. Soon they might not need to travel for that kind of money anymore if people are willing to pay that in the Philippines.
MohdirFan82
11-29-23, 06:15
Where do you guys buy your Antibiotic?
Seems I had too much fun and need to buy 1000 MG az.
I can buy in Bangkok but not sure in Manila.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. You go to The Philippines ON VACATION. Of course I could date LA girls and get sex for theoretically cheaper if I count dinner and drinks in LA and then I compare it to the airfare and the Central Park Jacuzzi suite in AC. But I go there to relax and chill watch sports in the morning and day drink and wander around and do nothing during the day and then nap and have a raging nightly adventure that always results in bare sex. My monthly credit card charge in LA is generally about 4 k USD for food and entertainment. That's exactly the amount of cash I bring to PH for a month, and I don't use a credit card there so that's a break-even. And I will tell you that 4 k brings me a LOT more fun than it does in LA.
My point is PH (or at least the S. A. Scene there) won't be cheaper for long if we normalise paying girls to just show up for a meal, and then pay them western prices on top for travel pussy.
We're already seeing the phenomenon of travelling Filipinas all over East Asia who visit for 1-2 weeks and charge $200-300 per hour. Soon they might not need to travel for that kind of money anymore if people are willing to pay that in the Philippines.Anyone concerned about Curtis' spending should have a read of the Seeking Forum on this site. Everyone complains about Burgos but Seeking is the top of the totem pole when it comes to 'hot at any cost' mongering and his weekend was quite tame in comparison. Many simps spend hundreds or even thousands to put girls on a pedestal and pussy worship them with little or no return.
Before anyone says that we can't compare prices in NYC to Manila, remember that he also paid $700 a night for his Boracay room. Ie having a hot-as-sin sex kitten for three days cost him about the same as one night's accommodation.
Could he find someone equally as cute in any city in the Philippines? Probably. However, he would be highly unlikely to find said girl, ready to go, in two days.
To anyone concerned about hoeflation etc, do they really think Day 2 Girl won't be available, down the club, as soon as the 40 k is spent?
It's certainly not a market that I'm about to jump into but he spent his money and had a great time as a result. I don't think anyone can complain about that.
Enjoy. G.
Curtis,
For shits and giggles, solve an age old debate here at ISG??
I've often said it is cheaper to fuck a hooker than feed her in the Philippines. Many have disagreed.
You paid Day 2 Girl 47 k?? What was your Room Service and meals bill for the same period??
Enquiring minds need to know. LOL.
I'm betting it was less. 😜.
Cheers. G.
Expat American
11-29-23, 10:28
We're already seeing the phenomenon of travelling Filipinas all over East Asia who visit for 1-2 weeks and charge $200-300 per hour. Soon they might not need to travel for that kind of money anymore if people are willing to pay that in the Philippines.Actually this is not as easy as you think. Phils immigration is ridiculously strict on letting young single girls out of the country. In Singapore we have thousands of imported working girls from Thailand and Vietnam and pre Covid China. They all come to Singapore on 30 day visas. Philippine girls can also come on the same terms but they cannot get out of their own country. Hence there are very few working Filipinas here and most are contracted to the buy me drink bars because they get sponsored work permits. The only freelancers are waitresses and others doing a bit of moonlighting and of course the domestic workers who can only fuck on Sunday afternoons.
GoodEnough
11-29-23, 10:56
Actually this is not as easy as you think. Phils immigration is ridiculously strict on letting young single girls out of the country. In Singapore we have thousands of imported working girls from Thailand and Vietnam and pre Covid China. They all come to Singapore on 30 day visas. Philippine girls can also come on the same terms but they cannot get out of their own country. Hence there are very few working Filipinas here and most are contracted to the buy me drink bars because they get sponsored work permits. The only freelancers are waitresses and others doing a bit of moonlighting and of course the domestic workers who can only fuck on Sunday afternoons.As someone who lives in the Philippines, I can attest to the veracity of the above. Young womenparticularly those traveling alone or in small groupshave an extraordinarily difficult time leaving the country even with round trip tickets and sufficient cash to support themselves. Philippines Immigration is extremely strict and often refuses to allow them to leave the country, particularly to well-known sex tourist destinations. Often, even those traveling with boyfriends have to provide ample proof of a pre-existing relationship and the Immigration officials do not have to justify their decisions.
GE.
FuriousGeorge
11-29-23, 11:02
Yeah very true. I remember on my second visit, literally the last day I was there I met a girl who completely infatuated me. We kept in touch after I returned to the US and I considered flying her here for a couple of weeks. She was smart and explained the complications of such a thing, and upon further research, yeah, it was complicated not really practical. In hindsight I'm glad I didn't do it anyway.
As someone who lives in the Philippines, I can attest to the veracity of the above. Young womenparticularly those traveling alone or in small groupshave an extraordinarily difficult time leaving the country even with round trip tickets and sufficient cash to support themselves. Philippines Immigration is extremely strict and often refuses to allow them to leave the country, particularly to well-known sex tourist destinations. Often, even those traveling with boyfriends have to provide amply proof of a pre-existing relationship and the Immigration officials do not have to justify their decisions.
GE.
Actually this is not as easy as you think. Phils immigration is ridiculously strict on letting young single girls out of the country. In Singapore we have thousands of imported working girls from Thailand and Vietnam and pre Covid China. They all come to Singapore on 30 day visas. Philippine girls can also come on the same terms but they cannot get out of their own country. Hence there are very few working Filipinas here and most are contracted to the buy me drink bars because they get sponsored work permits. The only freelancers are waitresses and others doing a bit of moonlighting and of course the domestic workers who can only fuck on Sunday afternoons.For country bumpkin Filipinas who don't know what they're doing, yes they'll have a hard time getting through PH immigration.
But for those who do find their way through (and they do in their hundreds and thousands), their numbers are plentiful in HK, Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even the major cities of Mainland China. Check the MR / smooci pages for these countries and you're bound to find a bunch of Filipinas taking advantage of the dire mongering options non-local men have there.
Even domestic helpers in HK are now asking for US $150 for what usually amounts to ST.
KrisMonger
11-29-23, 12:10
Nice report CurtisMack!. Looks like money well spent and also great to know SA is the way to go.
I did something similar with Smooci girls and took one of them out to Banao on my rice terrace trip- but those are definitely more pro types so will give SA a try next time when I am there.
First off, thank you to all who helped me and answered my questions on this forum as I prepared for my trip and to all who have posted helpful reports. I could not have had as much success as I did without all your help.
This is going to be a long and detailed report, so TLDR I met girls from SA and had a blast with each one and took one with me to Boracay.
Although I stayed in a hotel in Makati, I am posting in the Manila forum as my experience could have been had anywhere in the Manila area, as I met girls only from SA and did not venture to P Burgos or any area specific to Makati (although I planned to visit P Burgos but was having too much fun with SA girl, so I scratched that plan).
Firstly the other dating sites. I also signed up for pinalove and filipinocupid, but did not meet any girls from those sites. A lot of the girls were, sorry to say, just not attractive enough for me. Also I was ignoring any profiles that were empty or near empty (just one or two sentences), had phone number in the profile or said "serious relationship only not for fun". That may have been a reason why I couldn't find any girls on those sites. There may have been some hot legit girls who were down for just fun among the ones I ignored. The few girls I did find extremely hot and met my profile requirements did not respond to my messages. I tried on those sites for a few days then gave up. There were just way too many profiles that did not interest me, and I use SA back home and am familiar with sugaring and just felt more comfortable using SA.
Now on to SA. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I was looking to have some fun in Manila then BYOG to Boracay, so I added "travel with you" to my "show members seeking" filter. I also added filters to "do not show members seeking" for "seeking transgender," and "seeking trans-friendly" (note I still got trans girls in my search, so be wary). I added some basic information about me and was up-front in my profile and stated that I was just looking for temporary fun and to find someone to go with me on a weekend getaway. About a week before my arrival I set my location to Makati and started going through profiles. I ignored profiles that were empty or near-empty, had only one photo, had only obviously filtered photos or had only "glam" photos and no "real" cellphone photos. I opened with a brief message that mentioned something from her profile to show I'm not just copy-pasting my messages and said that I would like to discuss arrangements outside of the site on whatsapp. I got a response from about half of the girls I messaged.
After moving to whatsapp I laid out my proposal. 3 k for first meet (coffee or drinks). If we move the meet to my hotel for a LT date another 4 k. Any additional LT dates 7 k each time. If she comes to Boracay with me (3 nights) then 35 k plus cost of travel. I specified that the 35 k would be given at the end of the trip as to protect myself from no-shows and bailers. Note that back home I never offer anything for first meet over coffee or drinks, as all of the SBs back home have cars and can drive themselves. I figured 3 K for just a meet would be enough to draw interest and an amount I would be okay with giving if things didn't proceed from there. It didn't matter in the end because no initial meet did not end up back in my hotel room, as I banged each girl I met. Also I know many of you will probably say I overpaid, but compared to sugaring back home it is just a fraction of the price. I wanted to make an offer that would get a lot of initial interest and was an amount I would be happy with.
From the messages I started blocking girls who either asked for money up front or asked if I wanted to buy pics / vids. One girl started giving me a sob story about family hospital bills, and although she didn't ask for money, my senses were telling me she would soon, so I told her I didn't think we would hit it off and blocked her. A couple girls told me up front that they would be unable to go with me to Boracay, but would still be open to meet up. I kept those girls in my back pocket.
Of the girls that were interested, some did not respond after first day of chatting. Of the ones that maintained contact, I started to talk in more detail about what I was looking for in arrangement. I mentioned that I liked BBBJ, DATY and bb sex. Those that did not want to do those I told them sorry it won't work out and ended communication. Of those that were okay with those, I requested a quick video chat. There was none who denied, so it was easy to verify all of the girls I was still chatting with were real and can speak English very well. At this point I was left with six potentials.
Day 1 - Girls 1 and 2.
Girl 1. Met at Starbucks. We met early afternoon, as I had planned to meet with another girl later that night. She was an hour and half late, but as previous posts in this thread had mentioned, this was expected and I prepared for that by choosing the Starbucks right across the street from my hotel. She was super cute and even better looking in person compared to our video chat. No extra fat on her and very attractive. We had a great chat, and she was very excited about the possibility of going to Boracay, as she said she has never been. It was time to see how we got along in the sack. I invited her up to my hotel room where we chatted a little more on the couch before things started to get handsy and soon we were making out. BBBJ on the couch before we moved to the bed where we had excellent sex. She tasted clean. She said she wasn't on birth control so asked me to finish outside so I obliged and decorated her stomach. First sex of the trip so I blew my load pretty quickly. But after a quick rinse in the shower and some chit chat while naked in the bed I was ready for round 2. Again great sex and this time I finished in doggy and decorated her back. She was very intimate and I had such great sex that I had a strong feeling that she would be hard to beat. But later that night I met girl #2.
Girl 2. Asked her to meet me at my hotel bar. This one was actually on time. This one was even more attractive than the first. We had a drink and I had a great chat with her as well. After we finished our drinks I was about to invite her up to my room, but before I could she asked if I wanted to have another drink at a different bar. That sounded like fun, so I agreed. She gave me the name of the place she wanted to go and I called a grab. We got to the bar and had a couple drinks. During this time she was getting more and more flirty and handsy. This was getting me aroused and at times causing me to get an erection that I was trying to hide as I didn't want other patrons of the bar seeing me walking around with a raging hard-on LOL. BTW I highly recommend cialis over viagra. At times I have difficulty getting it up when I go on sex marathons, and this was my first time using cialis. My friend told me how much better it is because you can just take it early in the day and you will be ready when it comes time, unlike viagra where you have to time it an hour before. Cialis worked like a charm. I took it a couple hours before meeting the first girl, and I was getting hard like a school boy 12 hours later even after having blown two loads earlier in the day. After a couple drinks we left and she led me around outside to get some late night street food. We then took a grab back to my hotel, where we showered together as I have been sweating buckets in the humid manila heat. Moved to the bed and had even better sex than the first girl. Even more intimate and more into it plus she was on birth control so let me cip. Took another quick shower and she asked if she could take a nap for a couple hours before she left. We went to sleep cuddled up and was awakened by her alarm a couple hours later. She said she was too sleepy and asked if she could just stay the rest of the night. Woke up in the morning and cuddled some more which led to hands roaming and I was hard again. Had a morning sex session, she washed up and left. There was a new front runner.
Day 2.
After Girl 2 left in the morning I did some sight seeing around Manila. After all I came for travel in addition to the girls. I don't like to be misleading, so I messaged Girl 1 to let her know that I met someone that I had a better connection with (although I lied and said I met her the day after instead of a few hours after she left LOL) and said I'm sorry but we probably won't be going to Boracay together. She said she understood. I also arranged another date with Girl 2 for the following day. She offered to spend the day with me and show me around Manila a bit. So we agree to a day date around the city then dinner. I had arranged a date with Girl 3 for the night but she messaged me to say that she was on her period, but that she was towards the end of it, so we postponed until Day 4. Girl 3 BTW is the only one who countered me and asked for more. She asked for 10 k each date and 40 k for the Boracay trip. This girl is insanely hot. She looked like a 10/10 absolute bombshell in her photos that I thought were too good to be true, but our video chat confirmed that she was real, and this was still far less than what I would pay for sugaring back home, so I agreed. After Girl 3 messaged to postpone, I tried messaging the two girls who I had been keeping in my back pocket who couldn't go with me for the weekend but still open to meet. One said she couldn't meet that night but the other was available. However the messages started to feel weird. She was way too eager in the messages with the "oh baby I can't wait to meet and fuck you" and "I can't wait to suck your dick". I tried to re-confirm with her the amount for the PPM, but each time I asked "so is 7 k good with you" instead of confirming she would just respond with "I want your cock so bad". I didn't like the way the conversation was going so I told her never mind and blocked her. It was late, so no sex this night.
Day 3.
Girl 2 again. Met at my hotel early afternoon, and she took me to a museum and we walked around SM MOA. When she suggested the mall I thought she would surely ask me to buy her something, but she just bought some stuff with her own money. After that dinner at a place I had been wanting to to go then back to my hotel for another round of great sex ending in cip. At this point I was pretty certain she is the one I'll be taking with me to Boracay as she was so fun to talk to and the sex has been fantastic. Only one round of sex but I was tired from all the walking around that day anyways. She said she couldn't meet the next two days as she had some stuff to do, so we agreed our next meet would be the day we leave for Boracay. This put me in a dilemma, as I had hoped the one I went with would meet up the day before the trip, so I can pay for the trip once I am certain of my choice, and I still hadn't met the insanely hot Girl 3. So I told Girl 2 that I wanted her to go with me, but I had hoped to meet the day before for me to buy the fights. She proposed instead that she buy the fights herself and that I just pay her back, which was the perfect solution. Again as I try to be honorable with the ladies I told her that I was meeting someone else the next day, so she told me to message her after my date to confirm. These girls probably already assume that men are seeing multiple girls anyways, so she didn't react negatively at all and was very understanding. At this point I thought Girls 4, 5 and 6 had virtually no chance of beating out Girl 2 as my time remaining in Manila was running short, so I let them know that sorry but I don't think it's happening. They were all very understanding.
Day 4.
I messaged Girl 3 to see what time she could meet up with me. While waiting her response I checked out a couple other museums. Girl 3 got back to me and said she was still on her period and didn't think she would be off it until the following day. At this point as much as it hurt me to give up on this bombshell, I told her that would be too late, and I will have to make a decision before then. She understood. But I still wanted to bang this girl badly I told her if she's open to just meeting for one PPM for the agreed upon 10 k I can see her the next day. She said she would get back to me. I never heard from her again. Meanwhile Girl 1 whom I have already told we were not going to Boracay together had been messaging me every day just to chat over whatsapp. So I figured maybe she just wants another PPM, so I asked if she wanted to meet up again just for a PPM. She said yes but that she wasn't going to be in the area until the next day. So we arranged to meet tomorrow instead. So then I reached out to the one back pocket girl I had remaining, and she was available. If she hadn't been available I probably would have ventured out to P Burgos, but backup girl met me at the hotel bar. Had a drink and yet another good chat before moving to my room. This one was the least attractive of the girls I've met, but still very attractive. The sex was yet again incredible. At this point I'm wondering is every girl in the Philippines very intimate and GFE or am I just getting lucky? This one was on birth control so I finished cip. A quick rinse in the shower, small talk in bed, then round 2 cip finish. She left and I slept like a baby.
Day 5.
I told Girl 2 we are good to go, so I told her the flight numbers of my departure and returning flights and she bought them and sent me a screenshot (came out to more than 9 k but less than 10 k). She told me she would be at my hotel 4 hours before flight time. She's been on time for our previous dates, so I wasn't too concerned about her showing up late and missing our flight. Spent my last full day in Manila checking out a few other places and eating at restaurants I had been wanting to go. After dinner Girl 1 arrived, and had another great time in the sack again but with no cip. She lives in a province about an hour away (2-3 hours by bus) so she said unfortunately could not stay for round 2. That was fine with me as the sex was so good anyways and she is so cute and pretty I felt like I got my money's worth. She left and I started to pack my things so I can be prepared to check out the next day.
Days 6-9.
I will keep this part just as a summary. Girl 2 arrived on time, I gave her 10 k for the flights and headed to the airport. The 3 nights in Boracay might be the best 3 night stretch of my life. Spending that time with a beautiful woman with plenty of sex at a resort with beautiful beaches and some fantastic snorkeling will be unforgettable. My suite came with a balcony hot tub and we made sure to have sex in that too. At the end gave her the agreed upon amount plus 5 k extra because she was everything I hoped for and more. We departed ways and she said if I'm ever in the Philippines again to give her a message. I don't know when I'll go back, but if I do I will definitely be reaching out to her.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines.
For country bumpkin Filipinas who don't know what they're doing, yes they'll have a hard time getting through PH immigration.
But for those who do find their way through (and they do in their hundreds and thousands), their numbers are plentiful in HK, Korea, Japan, Taiwan and even the major cities of Mainland China. ST.You forgot Dubai where the top of the class lot go. Hooking runs in some families and they pass tips to each other, money to carry, line to tell at immigration etc. Like any other trade, you have fast learners and, as you say, country bumkins.
This feeds backwards. Why do short time in Manila when you can make 100 times the amount for less work in the ME.
As an aside, not many girls can / will drop 10 k on an airfare at a moment's notice based solely on a monger's promise. He definitely had the cheat code for gaining the girls' trust and best performance.
Cheers. G.He already gave her more than that for meeting and one night. Besides she did not want to miss the big payout and trip to Boracay. She knows very well about the competition in Philippines for high paying client.
I would never pay that kind of money in Philippines and I have posted pictures of very pretty girls I have been with and paid much much less. S A girls joining that site to get maximum amount of money.
Where do you guys buy your Antibiotic?
Seems I had too much fun and need to buy 1000 MG az.
I can buy in Bangkok but not sure in Manila.In any pharmacy. Get a prescription from a doctor first. Doc visit is 400-800 pesos.
I suggest you stock up in Bangkok.
Member #4794
11-30-23, 05:01
As someone who lives in the Philippines, I can attest to the veracity of the above. Young womenparticularly those traveling alone or in small groupshave an extraordinarily difficult time leaving the country even with round trip tickets and sufficient cash to support themselves.This is called offloading and IO's have increased in their communist esq enforcement of these offloading rules.
The most polarizing case in recent times was a woman who was traveling to Israel and they held her until her flight took off so that she wasn't offloaded but missed her flight forfeiting the flight.
This is much more commonplace than people realize go ahead and search youtube for "manila offloading". Its extremally difficult for a single young woman to get past these OI's, It does happen and it does depend on the IO that you get so it is a bit of a crapshoot in terms of if the girl will get offloaded or not. Some OI's don't give a shit others are by the book.
I have included links at the bottom with the offloading guidelines and the actual document itself here (https://doj.gov.ph/files/2023/IACAT/2023%20Updated%20Guidelines%20(for%20 publishing) _1. Pdf).
And the actual IACAT post about the anti-trafficking rules.
https://www.facebook.com/InterAgencyCouncilAgainstTrafficking/posts/pfbid02toR6k88uEuSwDcQWbfCBV6SaBY6AYkBD6SuuWW6EZgMDJwXgP7C98v3vgkKwnwLl
Most of the "pinay" hookers that manage to sell themselves overseas do it on their off hours from their OFW work and very rarely on some kind of swapped visa visit run. For this reason the women are never very youthful outside phils they normally are run down and middle aged at best as to get by the IO's and to meet the IACAT requirements. When traveling in other countries I often times visit the OFW meat markets but they are far far worse quality than even that of Manila which some people already have a hard time with, OFW pinays are a joke and massively over priced for no good reason.
HunterMonger
11-30-23, 05:07
Any chance you could share seeking ID of those girls.
First off, thank you to all who helped me and answered my questions on this forum as I prepared for my trip and to all who have posted helpful reports. I could not have had as much success as I did without all your help.
This is going to be a long and detailed report, so TLDR I met girls from SA and had a blast with each one and took one with me to Boracay.
Although I stayed in a hotel in Makati, I am posting in the Manila forum as my experience could have been had anywhere in the Manila area, as I met girls only from SA and did not venture to P Burgos or any area specific to Makati (although I planned to visit P Burgos but was having too much fun with SA girl, so I scratched that plan).
Firstly the other dating sites. I also signed up for pinalove and filipinocupid, but did not meet any girls from those sites. A lot of the girls were, sorry to say, just not attractive enough for me. Also I was ignoring any profiles that were empty or near empty (just one or two sentences), had phone number in the profile or said "serious relationship only not for fun". That may have been a reason why I couldn't find any girls on those sites. There may have been some hot legit girls who were down for just fun among the ones I ignored. The few girls I did find extremely hot and met my profile requirements did not respond to my messages. I tried on those sites for a few days then gave up. There were just way too many profiles that did not interest me, and I use SA back home and am familiar with sugaring and just felt more comfortable using SA.
Now on to SA. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I was looking to have some fun in Manila then BYOG to Boracay, so I added "travel with you" to my "show members seeking" filter. I also added filters to "do not show members seeking" for "seeking transgender," and "seeking trans-friendly" (note I still got trans girls in my search, so be wary). I added some basic information about me and was up-front in my profile and stated that I was just looking for temporary fun and to find someone to go with me on a weekend getaway. About a week before my arrival I set my location to Makati and started going through profiles. I ignored profiles that were empty or near-empty, had only one photo, had only obviously filtered photos or had only "glam" photos and no "real" cellphone photos. I opened with a brief message that mentioned something from her profile to show I'm not just copy-pasting my messages and said that I would like to discuss arrangements outside of the site on whatsapp. I got a response from about half of the girls I messaged.
After moving to whatsapp I laid out my proposal. 3 k for first meet (coffee or drinks). If we move the meet to my hotel for a LT date another 4 k. Any additional LT dates 7 k each time. If she comes to Boracay with me (3 nights) then 35 k plus cost of travel. I specified that the 35 k would be given at the end of the trip as to protect myself from no-shows and bailers. Note that back home I never offer anything for first meet over coffee or drinks, as all of the SBs back home have cars and can drive themselves. I figured 3 K for just a meet would be enough to draw interest and an amount I would be okay with giving if things didn't proceed from there. It didn't matter in the end because no initial meet did not end up back in my hotel room, as I banged each girl I met. Also I know many of you will probably say I overpaid, but compared to sugaring back home it is just a fraction of the price. I wanted to make an offer that would get a lot of initial interest and was an amount I would be happy with.
From the messages I started blocking girls who either asked for money up front or asked if I wanted to buy pics / vids. One girl started giving me a sob story about family hospital bills, and although she didn't ask for money, my senses were telling me she would soon, so I told her I didn't think we would hit it off and blocked her. A couple girls told me up front that they would be unable to go with me to Boracay, but would still be open to meet up. I kept those girls in my back pocket.
Of the girls that were interested, some did not respond after first day of chatting. Of the ones that maintained contact, I started to talk in more detail about what I was looking for in arrangement. I mentioned that I liked BBBJ, DATY and bb sex. Those that did not want to do those I told them sorry it won't work out and ended communication. Of those that were okay with those, I requested a quick video chat. There was none who denied, so it was easy to verify all of the girls I was still chatting with were real and can speak English very well. At this point I was left with six potentials.
Day 1 - Girls 1 and 2.
Girl 1. Met at Starbucks. We met early afternoon, as I had planned to meet with another girl later that night. She was an hour and half late, but as previous posts in this thread had mentioned, this was expected and I prepared for that by choosing the Starbucks right across the street from my hotel. She was super cute and even better looking in person compared to our video chat. No extra fat on her and very attractive. We had a great chat, and she was very excited about the possibility of going to Boracay, as she said she has never been. It was time to see how we got along in the sack. I invited her up to my hotel room where we chatted a little more on the couch before things started to get handsy and soon we were making out. BBBJ on the couch before we moved to the bed where we had excellent sex. She tasted clean. She said she wasn't on birth control so asked me to finish outside so I obliged and decorated her stomach. First sex of the trip so I blew my load pretty quickly. But after a quick rinse in the shower and some chit chat while naked in the bed I was ready for round 2. Again great sex and this time I finished in doggy and decorated her back. She was very intimate and I had such great sex that I had a strong feeling that she would be hard to beat. But later that night I met girl #2.
Girl 2. Asked her to meet me at my hotel bar. This one was actually on time. This one was even more attractive than the first. We had a drink and I had a great chat with her as well. After we finished our drinks I was about to invite her up to my room, but before I could she asked if I wanted to have another drink at a different bar. That sounded like fun, so I agreed. She gave me the name of the place she wanted to go and I called a grab. We got to the bar and had a couple drinks. During this time she was getting more and more flirty and handsy. This was getting me aroused and at times causing me to get an erection that I was trying to hide as I didn't want other patrons of the bar seeing me walking around with a raging hard-on LOL. BTW I highly recommend cialis over viagra. At times I have difficulty getting it up when I go on sex marathons, and this was my first time using cialis. My friend told me how much better it is because you can just take it early in the day and you will be ready when it comes time, unlike viagra where you have to time it an hour before. Cialis worked like a charm. I took it a couple hours before meeting the first girl, and I was getting hard like a school boy 12 hours later even after having blown two loads earlier in the day. After a couple drinks we left and she led me around outside to get some late night street food. We then took a grab back to my hotel, where we showered together as I have been sweating buckets in the humid manila heat. Moved to the bed and had even better sex than the first girl. Even more intimate and more into it plus she was on birth control so let me cip. Took another quick shower and she asked if she could take a nap for a couple hours before she left. We went to sleep cuddled up and was awakened by her alarm a couple hours later. She said she was too sleepy and asked if she could just stay the rest of the night. Woke up in the morning and cuddled some more which led to hands roaming and I was hard again. Had a morning sex session, she washed up and left. There was a new front runner.
Day 2.
After Girl 2 left in the morning I did some sight seeing around Manila. After all I came for travel in addition to the girls. I don't like to be misleading, so I messaged Girl 1 to let her know that I met someone that I had a better connection with (although I lied and said I met her the day after instead of a few hours after she left LOL) and said I'm sorry but we probably won't be going to Boracay together. She said she understood. I also arranged another date with Girl 2 for the following day. She offered to spend the day with me and show me around Manila a bit. So we agree to a day date around the city then dinner. I had arranged a date with Girl 3 for the night but she messaged me to say that she was on her period, but that she was towards the end of it, so we postponed until Day 4. Girl 3 BTW is the only one who countered me and asked for more. She asked for 10 k each date and 40 k for the Boracay trip. This girl is insanely hot. She looked like a 10/10 absolute bombshell in her photos that I thought were too good to be true, but our video chat confirmed that she was real, and this was still far less than what I would pay for sugaring back home, so I agreed. After Girl 3 messaged to postpone, I tried messaging the two girls who I had been keeping in my back pocket who couldn't go with me for the weekend but still open to meet. One said she couldn't meet that night but the other was available. However the messages started to feel weird. She was way too eager in the messages with the "oh baby I can't wait to meet and fuck you" and "I can't wait to suck your dick". I tried to re-confirm with her the amount for the PPM, but each time I asked "so is 7 k good with you" instead of confirming she would just respond with "I want your cock so bad". I didn't like the way the conversation was going so I told her never mind and blocked her. It was late, so no sex this night.
Day 3.
Girl 2 again. Met at my hotel early afternoon, and she took me to a museum and we walked around SM MOA. When she suggested the mall I thought she would surely ask me to buy her something, but she just bought some stuff with her own money. After that dinner at a place I had been wanting to to go then back to my hotel for another round of great sex ending in cip. At this point I was pretty certain she is the one I'll be taking with me to Boracay as she was so fun to talk to and the sex has been fantastic. Only one round of sex but I was tired from all the walking around that day anyways. She said she couldn't meet the next two days as she had some stuff to do, so we agreed our next meet would be the day we leave for Boracay. This put me in a dilemma, as I had hoped the one I went with would meet up the day before the trip, so I can pay for the trip once I am certain of my choice, and I still hadn't met the insanely hot Girl 3. So I told Girl 2 that I wanted her to go with me, but I had hoped to meet the day before for me to buy the fights. She proposed instead that she buy the fights herself and that I just pay her back, which was the perfect solution. Again as I try to be honorable with the ladies I told her that I was meeting someone else the next day, so she told me to message her after my date to confirm. These girls probably already assume that men are seeing multiple girls anyways, so she didn't react negatively at all and was very understanding. At this point I thought Girls 4, 5 and 6 had virtually no chance of beating out Girl 2 as my time remaining in Manila was running short, so I let them know that sorry but I don't think it's happening. They were all very understanding.
Day 4.
I messaged Girl 3 to see what time she could meet up with me. While waiting her response I checked out a couple other museums. Girl 3 got back to me and said she was still on her period and didn't think she would be off it until the following day. At this point as much as it hurt me to give up on this bombshell, I told her that would be too late, and I will have to make a decision before then. She understood. But I still wanted to bang this girl badly I told her if she's open to just meeting for one PPM for the agreed upon 10 k I can see her the next day. She said she would get back to me. I never heard from her again. Meanwhile Girl 1 whom I have already told we were not going to Boracay together had been messaging me every day just to chat over whatsapp. So I figured maybe she just wants another PPM, so I asked if she wanted to meet up again just for a PPM. She said yes but that she wasn't going to be in the area until the next day. So we arranged to meet tomorrow instead. So then I reached out to the one back pocket girl I had remaining, and she was available. If she hadn't been available I probably would have ventured out to P Burgos, but backup girl met me at the hotel bar. Had a drink and yet another good chat before moving to my room. This one was the least attractive of the girls I've met, but still very attractive. The sex was yet again incredible. At this point I'm wondering is every girl in the Philippines very intimate and GFE or am I just getting lucky? This one was on birth control so I finished cip. A quick rinse in the shower, small talk in bed, then round 2 cip finish. She left and I slept like a baby.
Day 5.
I told Girl 2 we are good to go, so I told her the flight numbers of my departure and returning flights and she bought them and sent me a screenshot (came out to more than 9 k but less than 10 k). She told me she would be at my hotel 4 hours before flight time. She's been on time for our previous dates, so I wasn't too concerned about her showing up late and missing our flight. Spent my last full day in Manila checking out a few other places and eating at restaurants I had been wanting to go. After dinner Girl 1 arrived, and had another great time in the sack again but with no cip. She lives in a province about an hour away (2-3 hours by bus) so she said unfortunately could not stay for round 2. That was fine with me as the sex was so good anyways and she is so cute and pretty I felt like I got my money's worth. She left and I started to pack my things so I can be prepared to check out the next day.
Days 6-9.
I will keep this part just as a summary. Girl 2 arrived on time, I gave her 10 k for the flights and headed to the airport. The 3 nights in Boracay might be the best 3 night stretch of my life. Spending that time with a beautiful woman with plenty of sex at a resort with beautiful beaches and some fantastic snorkeling will be unforgettable. My suite came with a balcony hot tub and we made sure to have sex in that too. At the end gave her the agreed upon amount plus 5 k extra because she was everything I hoped for and more. We departed ways and she said if I'm ever in the Philippines again to give her a message. I don't know when I'll go back, but if I do I will definitely be reaching out to her.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines.
Yes, offloading does happen, but the percentage of single travelling filioinas who get offloaded is tiny compared to those who make it through.
Example: https://massagerepublic.com/female-escorts-in-seoul/busty-vixen.
She's not an OFW. She's been plying her trade all over East and SE Asia since at least 2016. I've availed of her services and yes it wasn't worth what she was charging even back then (50% of current rates) despite her literally looking like a prime Kim Kardashian back then. There are far more Filipinas on insta and other places that are doing this kind of work abroad and earning big bucks for a few weeks / months before returning home for the rest of the year. They recruit new members to their groups and help each other through the process financially and logistically (for a cut of the proceeds of course).
My point is these Filipinas may no longer need to travel abroad to earn the big bucks if there are more and more foreign customers willing to pay them western prices in the Philippines. More win for the girl, less overhead cost and more security.
I would have to agree with how you did your trip. If I had to do it over again, I would have avoided AC, and mabini street area and all the ktvs. Wasted time and money. Being with the hottest SA girls and taking a good one to boracay is the play. All newbies should follow his lead.BS. This worked because he spent a lot and also got lucky finding a gem on SA. Fair play for a working method but don't assume this will work for everyone. Especially in such a short time. Taking a girl you've known less than week on a trip is a 50/50 gamble at best.
For a newbie with a short stay the bars and nightlife is the best for quick hits.
For a newbie on a longer trip you start the same way but build up connections in the bars, ktvs and you end up with a lot better results in coming weeks while still getting the quick hits while you wait.
If you wasted your time in ktvs it's likely you gave off a bad vibe since you don't really like Asians. Many ktv girls will give their number and are open to meet after their shift or off days. But that depends on the man too.
BS. This worked because he spent a lot and also got lucky finding a gem on SA. Fair play for a working method but don't assume this will work for everyone. Especially in such a short time. Taking a girl you've known less than week on a trip is a 50/50 gamble at best.
For a newbie with a short stay the bars and nightlife is the best for quick hits.
For a newbie on a longer trip you start the same way but build up connections in the bars, ktvs and you end up with a lot better results in coming weeks while still getting the quick hits while you wait.
If you wasted your time in ktvs it's likely you gave off a bad vibe since you don't really like Asians. Many ktv girls will give their number and are open to meet after their shift or off days. But that depends on the man too.Thank you!
Someone finally speaking some sense. Throwing western prices at people in PH only makes you look more foolish in the locals' eyes and absolutely does not guarantee any sort of quality experience whatsoever. In fact, it makes you more likely to get scammed because the girls will do absolutely anything and tell every possible lie to get that money (even if it's that 3 k for brunch).
47 k pesos is pretty much 3 months' salary working 5-6 days a week at 8-10 HR+ shifts. And that's in NCR which has the highest wages in the country. There's just no thought or perspective put into how much money that is in PH context. It would be akin to someone turning up to some midwestern town in US and giving a random girl 10 k USD for a weekend of fun when she would've been more than happy with 5-10% of that. Or turning up to vegas and dropping $100 k on a girl who's used to getting 5 k for the weekend.
Again, I'm glad OP had a good time and it's his money to spend how he wishes, but good luck to other people who think just showing up and throwing cash around blindly will guarantee them the same experience.
Member #4794
11-30-23, 07:35
Again, I'm glad OP had a good time and it's his money to spend how he wishes, but good luck to other people who think just showing up and throwing cash around blindly will guarantee them the same experience.Weird turn the phils boards have taken kind of an anti pinay and pro over spending vibe. The TjBrazil guy has been trying to steer people away from phils and away from bars smells kind of like a shill of some kind imo. I find Latin and Brazilian women extremely unappealing but I don't go out of my way to spam these boards and denigrate anyone who has some differing opinion.
The girls who sell themselves online / telegram and the "walker" sex networks in their current iteration are unappealing to me but somehow people are excited about overpaying and women with super high body counts this seem like a form of cuckolding they get some kick out of having sex with some lady who has a massive body count but if it does it for them it means they are not anywhere near my hunting grounds so they can have at it.
BS. This worked because he spent a lot and also got lucky finding a gem on SA. Fair play for a working method but don't assume this will work for everyone. Especially in such a short time. Taking a girl you've known less than week on a trip is a 50/50 gamble at best.
For a newbie with a short stay the bars and nightlife is the best for quick hits.
For a newbie on a longer trip you start the same way but build up connections in the bars, ktvs and you end up with a lot better results in coming weeks while still getting the quick hits while you wait.
If you wasted your time in ktvs it's likely you gave off a bad vibe since you don't really like Asians. Many ktv girls will give their number and are open to meet after their shift or off days. But that depends on the man too.One thing that wasn't mentioned on the boards was how empty these KTV bars on mabini street are. When I went from bar to bar, I was almost always the only person in there. They were so desperate for business, I could have just bar fined a girl for 2 k plus the girls fee and I'm sure they would have said yes. I don't think the mamasan would have turned down 2 k or get nothing. Problem was I just wasn't attracted to most of them. The rest of the board that's attracted to these chicks should just go to the KTV bar and offer 2 k bar fine plus girl fee and see if they bite.
CurtisMack
11-30-23, 09:01
I was hesitant to share my report because I know having read the posts in these forums that people who are seen as having overpaid get a lot of hate LOL. Even in my earlier posts I got laughed at when I shared that I had booked a luxury 5-star resort for my stay in Boracay, but I would have booked that anyways. I like to spoil myself when I travel, so I stay in the comfort of 5-star suites when available. I stayed in a 5-star suite in Makati as well. But I never shared that I am booked in 5-star hotels with any of the girls except one (the 10/10 hot girl that I never got to meet), because she asked me on whatsapp where I booked for the Boracay stay, so I told her. I didn't book that Boracay suite because as some people said in response to my previous posts that I was trying to impress these girls to get them to come with me. I would have booked that suite regardless whether I was on a mongering trip or not. And besides I know from my experience in sugar dating that trying to impress SBs never works. What works is what is the point of a SD in the first place, to SPOIL these girls. If your goal is to try to get SBs at the minimum they are willing to accept, then you should expect no more from them than to try the minimum to please you. My modus operandi in sugar dating that has worked well for me at home is to spoil these girls beyond their expectations for extra effort. I approach sugaring like I do with stocks LOL. If you FOMO after selling for a gain but could have made more, if you try to hold longer next time you are at higher risk of losing those gains. I don't sit around thinking about how much more I could have made. If I am happy with the gains then I sell. And with sugar dating if I'm happy to give that amount then I do and not worry about whether I could have spent less. I am always happy to give what I give to my SBs, and when the effort starts to decrease or stays stagnant that's when the sugar relationship is over for me and I end it. I didn't share every detail about my report because I knew the potential of ruffling some feathers, but it seems I have upset some people anyways so I will share with you now LOL. The 5 K extra I gave my girl at the end was not the only tip I gave her. I gave a tip after each date. After the first date with the overnight and morning sex, she could have taken the PPM which I had already given the night before and left in the morning, but she was the one who initiated the morning after sex by rubbing my cock and getting me hard after waking up. I gave her 2 K more as she was about to leave and said thank you here is some extra for giving me more of what I want. After our second date I tipped her another 2 K again and I thanked her for her affection throughout the day and during sex because she was even flirtier with me throughout the day than the night before and the sex was even better. This has been what in my experience what works best to get the most out of SBs, if they go beyond expectation then give a little extra and tell them that it was for going above and beyond. That for me has been the best way to get SBs to continue to keep that extra sugar coming. It was a little insurance to hedge against the risk that she would only try to do the bare minimum during our stay in Boracay. And I do sincerely apologize and feel for you who are grumbling at my spending, and trust me I know how you feel. Back home $500 for a PPM is about the median for the younger hot girls. I do well for myself, but at home I am probably in the bottom 20th percentile in terms of wealth amongst the potential SDs excluding people trying to scam and just use SA like an escort site. I am 42, I am obese, I drive a BMW 4 series, I own a 1-bedroom condo with a mortgage on it, and the vast majority of my net worth is tied up in my retirement. My net worth is just above $1 million, and I have to compete with more wealthy people who drive lambos, own a multiple-bedroom fancy home, and probably have net worth in the 8 figures. Not to mention the younger, more fit and better looking guys who are on there who might earn less salary than me but girls are more willing to date because of their age and physical appearance. I earn a salary of a little over $250 K a year, which is enough to sugar date, but I have to budget for my sugaring. There are plenty of SDs in my area that can spend way more than me without worrying about their budget. But I still have had success because of the shear number of SBs looking to sugar date in my area. So holding out for a rich SD is not a viable strategy for all the potential SBs in my area because of the large size of the potential SB pool. So while it's far more difficult I still have success because it's a numbers game. And while you mention that the number of quality girls in Manila has gone down since pre-Covid, compared to other destinations Manila has far more SBs on the site. After I applied my filters for girls, it took me until about 150 profiles when sorted by recently active to see a profile that had a girl that hadn't logged on in the past week. I tried a search with the same filters for Bangkok (except "travel with you" girls in Bangkok since I wasn't trying to BYOG) and on the third page of results with 30 results per page, I ran out of girls who are active on the site. So if I take off the "travel with you" filter I would get even more results in Manila. So hopefully that will be encouraging to some of you looking to use SA in Manila, because from my searches in the past (I've also tried searching in Seoul and Tokyo but did not end up using SA because there are so few girls on there) Manila seems to be where the number of available girls is the highest in Asia. I just wanted to enjoy my vacation and come in to Manila feeling like a high-roller for once in my sugaring life. So I am sorry for being that guy, and trust me I know your struggle as I go through the same back home. I do sincerely apologize and empathize with you, but there will always be people with more money and willing to spoil girls more than you. If sitting around and being upset about and blaming them for ruining it for you on the boards makes you feel better, then by all means have at it.
You paid Day 2 Girl 47 k?? What was your Room Service and meals bill for the same period??
Enquiring minds need to know. LOL.As I mentioned in this TLDR post LOL I actually spent more than what I put in my report. In straight cash it was 58 K. I also only eat 2 meals a day in my regular life, so it was only breakfast and dinners in Boracay (if she got hungry she snacked on the free food they put in the room like chips, cookies fruits). Breakfast is included at the resort so just dinner each night which was about 800 per meal at the resort. No room service only the beers that were in the minibar which was included with the room (only had to pay if we asked for more). Plus the drinks we had and the dinner on the second date I probably spent in total an additional 61-62 K than what I would have spent if I had gone by myself. Which comes out to about $1,100 which is less than the cost of two PPMs in my area and less than 9% of my after-tax monthly wages. It cost me $1,200 just to board my dog while I was on my trip, so I spent more on my dog on this trip than six days of plentiful sex with a beautiful college girl nearly half my age. You can't convince me I overpaid LOL.
Dude, it's not that you have more money and can spend more on girls than others LOL. Plenty of us could drop 1000 USD on a girl for ST in the Philippines if we wanted to. Heck, I was just in angeles 2 weeks ago for 3 days and my total expense for the trip was nearly $1500.flights and accommodation barely made up 20% of that. The difference is in those 3 days, I was able to sample nine girls and 3 of them were overnight appointments with food, drinks and general partying. I could've stayed at the world famous ABC hotel but it really wasn't necessary, but the one bedroom suite at one euphoria building was a nice alternative.
The point and question is should we really be treating the PH scene exactly like it is back home? As stated earlier the locals just look at most "high rolling" foreigners as fools for the taking. Spending 10 X the amount doesn't mean you get 10 X the experience, it just mostly means you get the same experience for 10 X the amount, that's what the Philippines is all about when it comes to the women in our hobby.
Show me a Filipina on seeking who doesn't want to go on an all expenses paid trip to boracay and I'll show you a liar. Sure, some can't make it because of commitments (school, family etc), but the vast majority would jump at the chance and there wouldn't be a need to entice them as if you're paying time and a half for their effort.
Again, I'm glad you had a great time, but for those of us who have been going to PH for years and have spent significant amounts of time there, all we see is an unexpected 40 k windfall for a girl who won the lottery for the week. She would've done everything you wanted without that extra 40 k regardless, so I'm also happy for her. The question is when she inevitably tells her friends and other seeking SBs, how many will hold out for that 1% chance of finding another ripe whale ready to be gutted for its riches? Further detrimenting the Manila seeking scene.
In the past you didn't need to troll through 150 profiles to get what you wanted. 20 profiles at most and you would've found a beautiful college girl or college educated professional ready for when you arrive at the very least. I don't get why I should have to pay $100 to filter through a bunch of trash profiles when the same pictures are on tinder and instagram LOL. Some of us have been there and done all that.
I was hesitant to share my report because I know having read the posts in these forums that people who are seen as having overpaid get a lot of hate LOL. Even in my earlier posts I got laughed at when I shared that I had booked a luxury 5-star resort for my stay in Boracay, but I would have booked that anyways. I like to spoil myself when I travel, so I stay in the comfort of 5-star suites when available. I stayed in a 5-star suite in Makati as well. But I never shared that I am booked in 5-star hotels with any of the girls except one (the 10/10 hot girl that I never got to meet), because she asked me on whatsapp where I booked for the Boracay stay, so I told her. I didn't book that Boracay suite because as some people said in response to my previous posts that I was trying to impress these girls to get them to come with me. I would have booked that suite regardless whether I was on a mongering trip or not. And besides I know from my experience in sugar dating that trying to impress SBs never works. What works is what is the point of a SD in the first place, to SPOIL these girls. If your goal is to try to get SBs at the minimum they are willing to accept, then you should expect no more from them than to try the minimum to please you. My modus operandi in sugar dating that has worked well for me at home is to spoil these girls beyond their expectations for extra effort. I approach sugaring like I do with stocks LOL. If you FOMO after selling for a gain but could have made more, if you try to hold longer next time you are at higher risk of losing those gains. I don't sit around thinking about how much more I could have made. If I am happy with the gains then I sell. And with sugar dating if I'm happy to give that amount then I do and not worry about whether I could have spent less. I am always happy to give what I give to my SBs, and when the effort starts to decrease or stays stagnant that's when the sugar relationship is over for me and I end it. I didn't share every detail about my report because I knew the potential of ruffling some feathers, but it seems I have upset some people anyways so I will share with you now LOL..Please quit apologizing for your adventures and cost. Ignorant people think you are the market maker! Plain ignorance and stupidity. You have achieved an upper level in life that ignorant people will never understand no matter how you try to explain it. There is cost and there is value. 2 different things. You got value. Plain and simple. You put in time and effort to get what you want. That is why you are a USD $250 k earner. Lesser earners will never understand nor will they achieve your level.
Congratulations sir!
Dude, it's not that you have more money and can spend more on girls than others LOL. Plenty of us could drop 1000 USD on a girl for ST in the Philippines if we wanted to. Heck, I was just in angeles 2 weeks ago for 3 days and my total expense for the trip was nearly $1500.flights and accommodation barely made up 20% of that. The difference is in those 3 days, I was able to sample nine girls and 3 of them were overnight appointments with food, drinks and general partying. I could've stayed at the world famous ABC hotel but it really wasn't necessary, but the one bedroom suite at one euphoria building was a nice alternative.
The point and question is should we really be treating the PH scene exactly like it is back home? As stated earlier the locals just look at most "high rolling" foreigners as fools for the taking. Spending 10 X the amount doesn't mean you get 10 X the experience, it just mostly means you get the same experience for 10 X the amount, that's what the Philippines is all about when it comes to the women in our hobby.
Show me a Filipina on seeking who doesn't want to go on an all expenses paid trip to boracay and I'll show you a liar. Sure, some can't make it because of commitments (school, family etc), but the vast majority would jump at the chance and there wouldn't be a need to entice them as if you're paying time and a half for their effort.
Again, I'm glad you had a great time, but for those of us who have been going to PH for years and have spent significant amounts of time there, all we see is an unexpected 40 k windfall for a girl who won the lottery for the week. She would've done everything you wanted without that extra 40 k regardless, so I'm also happy for her. The question is when she inevitably tells her friends and other seeking SBs, how many will hold out for that 1% chance of finding another ripe whale ready to be gutted for its riches? Further detrimenting the Manila seeking scene..Sheer ignorance here. Not talking about CurtisMack. It is CurtisMack's adventure, life and money. Plain and simple.
Go jump on Mercedes Benz buyers. Or Rolex buyers. I don't own those nor pay prices near those for a car or watch. Does the Benz and Rolex buyers affect me? Heck no!
I was hesitant to share my report because I know having read the posts in these forums that people who are seen as having overpaid get a lot of hate LOL. Even in my earlier posts I got laughed at when I shared that I had booked a luxury 5-star resort for my stay in Boracay, but I would have booked that anyways. I like to spoil myself when I travel, so I stay in the comfort of 5-star suites when available. I stayed in a 5-star suite in Makati as well. But I never shared that I am booked in 5-star hotels with any of the girls except one (the 10/10 hot girl that I never got to meet), because she asked me on whatsapp where I booked for the Boracay stay, so I told her. I didn't book that Boracay suite because as some people said in response to my previous posts that I was trying to impress these girls to get them to come with me. I would have booked that suite regardless whether I was on a mongering trip or not. And besides I know from my experience in sugar dating that trying to impress SBs never works. What works is what is the point of a SD in the first place, to SPOIL these girls. If your goal is to try to get SBs at the minimum they are willing to accept, then you should expect no more from them than to try the minimum to please you. My modus operandi in sugar dating that has worked well for me at home is to spoil these girls beyond their expectations for extra effort. I approach sugaring like I do with stocks LOL. If you FOMO after selling for a gain but could have made more, if you try to hold longer next time you are at higher risk of losing those gains. I don't sit around thinking about how much more I could have made. If I am happy with the gains then I sell. And with sugar dating if I'm happy to give that amount then I do and not worry about whether I could have spent less. I am always happy to give what I give to my SBs, and when the effort starts to decrease or stays stagnant that's when the sugar relationship is over for me and I end it. I didn't share every detail about my report because I knew the potential of ruffling some feathers, but it seems I have upset some people anyways so I will share with you now LOL. The 5 K extra I gave my girl at the end was not the only tip I gave her. I gave a tip after each date. After the first date with the overnight and morning sex, she could have taken the PPM which I had already given the night before and left in the morning, but she was the one who initiated the morning after sex by rubbing my cock and getting me hard after waking up. I gave her 2 K more as she was about to leave and said thank you here is some extra for giving me more of what I want. After our second date I tipped her another 2 K again and I thanked her for her affection throughout the day and during sex because she was even flirtier with me throughout the day than the night before and the sex was even better. This has been what in my experience what works best to get the most out of SBs, if they go beyond expectation then give a little extra and tell them that it was for going above and beyond. That for me has been the best way to get SBs to continue to keep that extra sugar coming. It was a little insurance to hedge against the risk that she would only try to do the bare minimum during our stay in Boracay. And I do sincerely apologize and feel for you who are grumbling at my spending, and trust me I know how you feel. Back home $500 for a PPM is about the median for the younger hot girls. I do well for myself, but at home I am probably in the bottom 20th percentile in terms of wealth amongst the potential SDs excluding people trying to scam and just use SA like an escort site. I am 42, I am obese, I drive a BMW 4 series, I own a 1-bedroom condo with a mortgage on it, and the vast majority of my net worth is tied up in my retirement. My net worth is just above $1 million, and I have to compete with more wealthy people who drive lambos, own a multiple-bedroom fancy home, and probably have net worth in the 8 figures. Not to mention the younger, more fit and better looking guys who are on there who might earn less salary than me but girls are more willing to date because of their age and physical appearance. I earn a salary of a little over $250 K a year, which is enough to sugar date, but I have to budget for my sugaring. There are plenty of SDs in my area that can spend way more than me without worrying about their budget. But I still have had success because of the shear number of SBs looking to sugar date in my area. So holding out for a rich SD is not a viable strategy for all the potential SBs in my area because of the large size of the potential SB pool. So while it's far more difficult I still have success because it's a numbers game. And while you mention that the number of quality girls in Manila has gone down since pre-Covid, compared to other destinations Manila has far more SBs on the site. After I applied my filters for girls, it took me until about 150 profiles when sorted by recently active to see a profile that had a girl that hadn't logged on in the past week. I tried a search with the same filters for Bangkok (except "travel with you" girls in Bangkok since I wasn't trying to BYOG) and on the third page of results with 30 results per page, I ran out of girls who are active on the site. So if I take off the "travel with you" filter I would get even more results in Manila. So hopefully that will be encouraging to some of you looking to use SA in Manila, because from my searches in the past (I've also tried searching in Seoul and Tokyo but did not end up using SA because there are so few girls on there) Manila seems to be where the number of available girls is the highest in Asia. I just wanted to enjoy my vacation and come in to Manila feeling like a high-roller for once in my sugaring life. So I am sorry for being that guy, and trust me I know your struggle as I go through the same back home. I do sincerely apologize and empathize with you, but there will always be people with more money and willing to spoil girls more than you. If sitting around and being upset about and blaming them for ruining it for you on the boards makes you feel better, then by all means have at it.
As I mentioned in this TLDR post LOL I actually spent more than what I put in my report. In straight cash it was 58 K. I also only eat 2 meals a day in my regular life, so it was only breakfast and dinners in Boracay (if she got hungry she snacked on the free food they put in the room like chips, cookies fruits). Breakfast is included at the resort so just dinner each night which was about 800 per meal at the resort. No room service only the beers that were in the minibar which was included with the room (only had to pay if we asked for more). Plus the drinks we had and the dinner on the second date I probably spent in total an additional 61-62 K than what I would have spent if I had gone by myself. Which comes out to about $1,100 which is less than the cost of two PPMs in my area and less than 9% of my after-tax monthly wages. It cost me $1,200 just to board my dog while I was on my trip, so I spent more on my dog on this trip than six days of plentiful sex with a beautiful college girl nearly half my age. You can't convince me I overpaid LOL.I don't think you need to explain anything. Whether someone thinks you overspent or not is not of much consequence. What is important is that you enjoyed yourself and provided a good report here of your fun. Some critics are afraid of tourist induced inflation while others genuinely want to show there's a cheaper way. We read and continue to enjoy ourselves, that's what its all about.
MohdirFan82
11-30-23, 17:20
Each of its own, for me SBs never worked. I currently have Dipolog 19 years cutie " was virgin " stunner give me more then I need just for small tuition fee.
She does more then SBs I had, creampie, morning glory, now she sleep while my Cum in her, plus she rides me 120 miles an hour.
All the SBs I had, there end goal was money not satisfying me. And I know why I travel from US to Asia to get better treatment at the low cost.
I was hesitant to share my report because I know having read the posts in these forums that people who are seen as having overpaid get a lot of hate LOL. Even in my earlier posts I got laughed at when I shared that I had booked a luxury 5-star resort for my stay in Boracay, but I would have booked that anyways. I like to spoil myself when I travel, so I stay in the comfort of 5-star suites when available. I stayed in a 5-star suite in Makati as well. But I never shared that I am booked in 5-star hotels with any of the girls except one (the 10/10 hot girl that I never got to meet), because she asked me on whatsapp where I booked for the Boracay stay, so I told her. I didn't book that Boracay suite because as some people said in response to my previous posts that I was trying to impress these girls to get them to come with me. I would have booked that suite regardless whether I was on a mongering trip or not. And besides I know from my experience in sugar dating that trying to impress SBs never works. What works is what is the point of a SD in the first place, to SPOIL these girls. If your goal is to try to get SBs at the minimum they are willing to accept, then you should expect no more from them than to try the minimum to please you. My modus operandi in sugar dating that has worked well for me at home is to spoil these girls beyond their expectations for extra effort. I approach sugaring like I do with stocks LOL. If you FOMO after selling for a gain but could have made more, if you try to hold longer next time you are at higher risk of losing those gains. I don't sit around thinking about how much more I could have made. If I am happy with the gains then I sell. And with sugar dating if I'm happy to give that amount then I do and not worry about whether I could have spent less. I am always happy to give what I give to my SBs, and when the effort starts to decrease or stays stagnant that's when the sugar relationship is over for me and I end it. I didn't share every detail about my report because I knew the potential of ruffling some feathers, but it seems I have upset some people anyways so I will share with you now LOL..
It cost me $1,200 just to board my dog while I was on my trip, so I spent more on my dog on this trip than six days of plentiful sex with a beautiful college girl nearly half my age. You can't convince me I overpaid LOL.PMSL. I've often commented on how little PPM costs are in the overall scheme of a holiday but I never thought about Fido. LOL.
I also don't think you need to justify anything. Your money, your priorities. The original report definitely showed one path to having a good time.
Many forget that different people come for different reasons: budget sex; as many notches in the bed post as humanly possible; relax after a day's touristing; get away from the missus. The list of reasons goes on but they are all valid.
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Sheer ignorance here. Not talking about CurtisMack. It is CurtisMack's adventure, life and money. Plain and simple.
Go jump on Mercedes Benz buyers. Or Rolex buyers. I don't own those nor pay prices near those for a car or watch. Does the Benz and Rolex buyers affect me? Heck no!Again, where is the ignorance and value? There are plenty of high earners who live and visit the Philippines and know there's absolutely no need to spend money as if you're in Dubai. That is the whole point of visiting the Philippines, that's what the country is famous for.
I've congratulated him and the girl for both getting what they wanted from each other. You're talking as if he's the only person to have used seeking in Manila. I'm one of the first people to even mention that site here back when seeking started becoming a thing. I've flown Filipinas to me from Manila to all over Asia depending on when I was at the time and never has it had to cost me what I would pay back home. That is the value of going to a place like PH. The moment it turns into a western prices place, it stops being of value to me because I'm already in a country with western prices and would have no need to take the hassle of getting on a plane to spend basically what I would spend where I am. Way too many people put women on such high a pedestal it's actually funny LOL.
Rolex? Merc? Hahaha. The 1900's called, they want their old school mindset back. Why would I care about material items with diminishing value that hold no value to me? Maybe it's just me and having been schooled on how not to get fleeced in the p4 p scene by old timers, and no most of them weren't low earners nursing their $500 pension in some bumfuck nowhere town in Asia.
Anyway, best of luck to those who insist on trying to entice Filipinas in the Philippines with $1000 for 3 days work. I look forward to reading about the adventures. Passport bros blew up in record time, why not bling bling bros too?
WestCoast1
12-04-23, 18:01
Been a minute since I posted a pic. Someone's been very bad. Or good. Enjoy.
Banana Boi
12-04-23, 18:33
Good job, WESTY!
WestCoast1
12-05-23, 07:23
Good job, WESTY!Haha #ohyawhodamannow?
I was hesitant to share my report......luxury 5-star resort f....... rubbing my cock... I gave her 2 K more .... Back home $500 for a PPM ......, I drive a BMW 4 series, I own a 1-bedroom condo with a mortgage on it,.....I earn a salary of a little over $250 K a year, .... After I applied my filters for girls, it took me until about 150 profiles ..
.I also only eat 2 meals a day in my regular life, so it was only breakfast a. 61-62 K by myself. Which comes out to about $1,100 which is less than the cost of two PPMs in my area and less than 9% of my after-tax monthly wages. It cost me $1,200 just to board my dog while I was on my trip, so I spent more on my dog on this trip than six days of plentiful sex with a beautiful college girl nearly half my age. You can't convince me I overpaid LOL.I missed the stuff about you being 42 and obese.
Where I come from, we have things called paragraphs. Also, in my case, I know billionaires and paupers and everyone in between. I have stayed in everything from 5 star hotels to prisons. But that is enough about me, let's talk about me.
Your personal income figures don't add up but then SE Asia is full of folk who re-invent themselves. Dream world meets Clown world.
What prompted my reply was I had first seen you mention your dog and thought you brought it as your wingman and I had looked up the costs of bringing a dog to the Philippines.
I previously posted about eating dogs. I see Korean dog owners are under some pressure from animal rights' morons. Maybe next time bring your dog.
A Royal Marine captain was kidnapped by rebels in Liberia and, in conversation with them, he asked whether it was true human meat tasted like pork. His captor replied "I don't know. I am Muslim".
Long story short. I don't care how rich or poor you are and nor, I imagine, does anyone else, because a bore is someone who, when you ask him his life story, tells you. I will be in Angeles in the New Year, sitting in bars deciding who to bonk. Last time, English soccer supporters and their hired holes sat nearby watching their teams play on TV. And I got into small talk with successful American business men, all ships in the night. Go easy on the BS.
JasonBen84
12-12-23, 11:14
Hey Folks, I always frequent AC in Phil's and BKK, Pattaya in TH.
Looking at AC forum I see the action is much less and options are getting thin by the day! Thought of exploring Manila. I RTFF Manila, Makati and QC. Below is my observation and would like to see if this is right.
QC has more massage places / fish bowl. More upscale and quiet precint.
Makati / Burgos street has pick up bars similar to that of AC. FL scene is also better here.
For both QC and Makati. BF+LD+ Girls Tip. Roughly 9 k PHP for every pickup in average, is this right?
In AC- I see it's only BF+LD+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight.
Given this is it worth to spend in Makati over AC?
Lastly, I used to stay in Central Park in AC, what would equivalent girl friendly hotel close, quiet and decent close to the bars and action in makati?
Thanks a Ton and sorry if too many questions hehe!
WestCoast1
12-12-23, 15:54
Makati / Burgos street has pick up bars similar to that of AC. FL scene is also better here.Not necessarily. The street scene on Burgos can be chaotic. Mostly older gals, lots of ladyboy.
For both QC and Makati. BF+LD+ Girls Tip. Roughly 9 k PHP for every pickup in average, is this right?Correct on the Makati gogo bars on price, 9-10 k PHP is typical. The girl's "Tip" is something she will insist on negotiating with you while still in the bar. Its usually about p5000. She will expect the full tip if she stays the agreed-upon time, her service was good and she does in the room what you agreed upon the night before. Once again, the tip is negotiated while still in the bar, but given upon her departure after service.
Not aware of similar gogo bars in QC. Other gents?
In AC- I see it's only BF+LD+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight.AC = BF + LD. There is no tip that will be pre-negotiated (unless you bring it up in the bar). You are not required to tip anything. However most gents do tip upon her departure if her service was good. Tips usually range from 300-1000, but you don't need to give her anything. Any tip she gets is from the goodness of your heart (or other body part).
AC cost = P4 k to 5 k barfine (depending which bar) + any LD. You said "+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight", which is a touch confusing. Did you mean the tips are mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? Or did you mean the total cost would be mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? The total cost with LD should be about 4. 5 - 6 K, which is about half the cost of a Burgos gogo girl.
There are reports of girls in some AC gogos doing ST (not long time). You might need to ask in advance.
Given this is it worth to spend in Makati over AC?Can't answer that. Would say that you should experience Burgos gogos at least once, if for no other reason than to see the level (or lack thereof) of talent. Burgos gogo girls will cost you about twice what an AC girl will cost.
Lastly, I used to stay in Central Park in AC, what would equivalent girl friendly hotel close, quiet and decent close to the bars and action in makati?Makati Palace, right on Burgos St, across the street from Cubana Cafe. There are airbnb options in the area, and a Red Planet 1 block away. Also Coro Hotel is near.
Hi all,
Thanks for all the posts. I am 26 M from London and am planning my first trip outside Europe to hobby and relax (I have previously done: Ams, Barcelona, Vienna and Prague).
I plan to fly into Manila and spend 9 days in Makati staying at the city garden grand. I will then fly to Boracay to spend 4 days on a beach before flying home (if I find the right girl I may bring her with me).
I would like to start by trying my luck on Tinder, but my other options will either be bar girls from P Burgos or escorts from Manilacourtesans. I have a few questions that I hope some of you will be able to answer.
1. This is my first time hobbying in a country where it's illegal. I know being punished for this is rare, but are there any tips to stay legally secure? (Like not having discussing services over text).
2. I have typically only done 1 HR appointments with girls, but the prices here for a long time are only 2 x the 2 HR price. What am I supposed to do during this time; should I take the girl out to dinner first or have drinks somewhere or should I just fuck her, go to sleep and then fuck her again?
3. I do like girls with bigger tits that aren't too chubby, I know most Asians aren't built like this. But, is it still likely that I could find some to suit my preferences? I don't mind fake boobs either. Any bars in particular partial to this body type? I've heard maybe Fyre.
4. I intend to do some BBFS during this trip. Hopefully with civis or semi pros off tinder to reduce the risk. Would you recommend I get some Prep or other antibiotics just in case? Where can I obtain these and how easy / cheap is it?
5. I'm hoping to have a sb relationship with someone whilst I'm there and possibly bringing them to Boracay with me. I'm not sure if seekings membership price is worth it though. So, does anyone know if there are any freelancers in Boracay. And do you think they'the spend the day with me?
6. Any massage place recommendations? I have been trying to get a Nuru massage with the gel for ages.
I'll be in the Philippines Feb 4th to 17th. So let me know if you want to hang out while I'm here. Thanks everyone!
JasonBen84
12-13-23, 08:15
Thanks a lot, WC for the very informative input as always!
On AC I meant, 4. 5 k to 5 k in total (BF+LD+Tip).
I will try Burgos Gogo if I make it to Manila this holidays!
Cheers!
Not necessarily. The street scene on Burgos can be chaotic. Mostly older gals, lots of ladyboy.
Correct on the Makati gogo bars on price, 9-10 k PHP is typical. The girl's "Tip" is something she will insist on negotiating with you while still in the bar. Its usually about p5000. She will expect the full tip if she stays the agreed-upon time, her service was good and she does in the room what you agreed upon the night before. Once again, the tip is negotiated while still in the bar, but given upon her departure after service.
Not aware of similar gogo bars in QC. Other gents?
AC = BF + LD. There is no tip that will be pre-negotiated (unless you bring it up in the bar). You are not required to tip anything. However most gents do tip upon her departure if her service was good. Tips usually range from 300-1000, but you don't need to give her anything. Any tip she gets is from the goodness of your heart (or other body part).
AC cost = P4 k to 5 k barfine (depending which bar) + any LD. You said "+ Girl tip mostly 4. 5 k for overnight", which is a touch confusing. Did you mean the tips are mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? Or did you mean the total cost would be mostly (usually) 4. 5 k? The total cost with LD should be about 4. 5 - 6 K, which is about half the cost of a Burgos gogo girl.
There are reports of girls in some AC gogos doing ST (not long time). You might need to ask in advance.
Can't answer that. Would say that you should experience Burgos gogos at least once, if for no other reason than to see the level (or lack thereof) of talent. Burgos gogo girls will cost you about twice what an AC girl will cost.
Makati Palace, right on Burgos St, across the street from Cubana Cafe. There are airbnb options in the area, and a Red Planet 1 block away. Also Coro Hotel is near.
WestCoast1
12-14-23, 00:11
Thanks a lot, WC for the very informative input as always!
On AC I meant, 4. 5 k to 5 k in total (BF+LD+Tip).
I will try Burgos Gogo if I make it to Manila this holidays!Welcome. I forgot to mention a few other hotels in the area: St. Giles, Sogo, City Garden, City Garden Grand, and I'M Hotel. A few blocks further northeast in the Century City area are condos Gramercy, A Venue, Milano, and Knightsbrige (use airbnb).
Happy holidays, and hope you find something (s) worth vaxxing.
JasonBen84
12-14-23, 07:30
Nice Pic, Wc! I'm flying to BKK first and to Manila for work potentially! So I hope all these inputs will come handy!
Besides the hotels below, I was recommended St. Giles, Rits Astor and Hotel Durban (as CGG is sold out). Hope these 3 are Girl friendly, and being a light sleeper, wondering which is good for quiet sleep.
Enjoy your holidays too!
Welcome. I forgot to mention a few other hotels in the area: St. Giles, Sogo, City Garden, City Garden Grand, and I'M Hotel. A few blocks further northeast in the Century City area are condos Gramercy, A Venue, Milano, and Knightsbrige (use airbnb).
Happy holidays, and hope you find something (s) worth vaxxing.
Hi all,
Thanks for all the posts. I am 26 M from London and am planning my first trip outside Europe to hobby and relax (I have previously done: Ams, Barcelona, Vienna and Prague).
I plan to fly into Manila and spend 9 days in Makati staying at the city garden grand. I will then fly to Boracay to spend 4 days on a beach before flying home (if I find the right girl I may bring her with me).
I would like to start by trying my luck on Tinder, but my other options will either be bar girls from P Burgos or escorts from Manilacourtesans. I have a few questions that I hope some of you will be able to answer.
1. This is my first time hobbying in a country where it's illegal. I know being punished for this is rare, but are there any tips to stay legally secure? (Like not having discussing services over text).
2. I have typically only done 1 HR appointments with girls, but the prices here for a long time are only 2 x the 2 HR price. What am I supposed to do during this time; should I take the girl out to dinner first or have drinks somewhere or should I just fuck her, go to sleep and then fuck her again?
3. I do like girls with bigger tits that aren't too chubby, I know most Asians aren't built like this. But, is it still likely that I could find some to suit my preferences? I don't mind fake boobs either. Any bars in particular partial to this body type? I've heard maybe Fyre.
4. I intend to do some BBFS during this trip. Hopefully with civis or semi pros off tinder to reduce the risk. Would you recommend I get some Prep or other antibiotics just in case? Where can I obtain these and how easy / cheap is it?
5. I'm hoping to have a sb relationship with someone whilst I'm there and possibly bringing them to Boracay with me. I'm not sure if seekings membership price is worth it though. So, does anyone know if there are any freelancers in Boracay. And do you think they'the spend the day with me?
6. Any massage place recommendations? I have been trying to get a Nuru massage with the gel for ages.
I'll be in the Philippines Feb 4th to 17th. So let me know if you want to hang out while I'm here. Thanks everyone!Everything you talked about is a risk. Prostitition is illegal in Philippines, but it is not really enforced. Bar girls even get public hygiene certificates and are often tested for disease regularly (though the types of tests given are often dubious at best). Stay away from anything that looks too young and you should be okay.
As far as BBFS, that is a risk. I would make the argument that Filipinas in general really do not like condoms. Pros are more likely to take better care of themselves in that area than non-pros or semi-pros. HIV transmission through vaginal sex is not particularly common, but other diseases are easily transmitted. It's a risk you take, as women don't often exhibit obvious symptoms.
I met a girl off Pina and got along well with her. We actually started talking and money was never discussed. True girlfriend experience. I flew her from Mindanao to meet me in Manila recently. I asked and paid for her to have an exam and sti screener before we met, and she did it and sent pictures of the results to me before we met. She is a good girl, though, so no pictures of the fun we had.
Everything you talked about is a risk. Prostitition is illegal in Philippines, but it is not really enforced. Bar girls even get public hygiene certificates and are often tested for disease regularly (though the types of tests given are often dubious at best). Stay away from anything that looks too young and you should be okay.
As far as BBFS, that is a risk. I would make the argument that Filipinas in general really do not like condoms. Pros are more likely to take better care of themselves in that area than non-pros or semi-pros. HIV transmission through vaginal sex is not particularly common, but other diseases are easily transmitted. It's a risk you take, as women don't often exhibit obvious symptoms.
I met a girl off Pina and got along well with her. We actually started talking and money was never discussed. True girlfriend experience. I flew her from Mindanao to meet me in Manila recently. I asked and paid for her to have an exam and sti screener before we met, and she did it and sent pictures of the results to me before we met. She is a good girl, though, so no pictures of the fun we had.Other great risks. Walking across the street in PH. Walking on uneven sidewalks.
Everything you talked about is a risk. Prostitition is illegal in Philippines, but it is not really enforced. Bar girls even get public hygiene certificates and are often tested for disease regularly (though the types of tests given are often dubious at best). Stay away from anything that looks too young and you should be okay.
As far as BBFS, that is a risk. I would make the argument that Filipinas in general really do not like condoms. Pros are more likely to take better care of themselves in that area than non-pros or semi-pros. HIV transmission through vaginal sex is not particularly common, but other diseases are easily transmitted. It's a risk you take, as women don't often exhibit obvious symptoms.
I met a girl off Pina and got along well with her. We actually started talking and money was never discussed. True girlfriend experience. I flew her from Mindanao to meet me in Manila recently. I asked and paid for her to have an exam and sti screener before we met, and she did it and sent pictures of the results to me before we met. She is a good girl, though, so no pictures of the fun we had.To start with Philippine boys, they do not use condoms. They are least bothered about hygiene or getting girl pregnant. That is why you see lots of young single mothers. So it is inborn in girls that using condoms are not necessary. I have been with plenty of non pros and very few enquired about condoms. I assure them I am clean and they are satisfied. I am telling the truth because I do get tested after every mongering trip. I do not ask them to get tested. Many consider it us an insult. They tell me they are not bargirls.
Unlike Vietnam where hotels ostensibly do not allow girls to stay with you Philippines is no problem. One extremely important aspect is no body bats an eyelid about the age difference unlike western countries.
Prostitution is technically illegal but rules are not strict. All the same do not openly flout it.
...... Pros are more likely to take better care of themselves in that area than non-pros or semi-pros........I took the opposite view in my visits to Thailand the last of which was in 2015. Back then I did BBFS with non-pros but bagged up with pros.
Member #4794
12-14-23, 18:29
1. This is my first time hobbying in a country where it's illegal. I know being punished for this is rare, but are there any tips to stay legally secure? (Like not having discussing services over text).
3. I do like girls with bigger tits that aren't too chubby, I know most Asians aren't built like this. But, is it still likely that I could find some to suit my preferences? I don't mind fake boobs either. Any bars in particular partial to this body type? I've heard maybe Fyre.
4. I intend to do some BBFS during this trip. Hopefully with civis or semi pros off tinder to reduce the risk. Would you recommend I get some Prep or other antibiotics just in case? Where can I obtain these and how easy / cheap is it?
Looks like you are in for disappointment going in with this list of expectations like some others most recently had, would be wise to postpose your trip until you find something truly enticing about phils before you go, continue what you are doing and wait until you don't care about the legalities, you like the shape of the south east asian woman and don't care if you or your penis rots off from an STI. If you fundamentally don't like the kind of women on offer wait until you do to invest your time and money into a trip.
Me for example, I have put off trips to brazil and peru and madagascar, because I would be looking for half Japanese women in Brazil and Peru and remnants of indonesian DNA in Madagascar. I am just not attracted to let say non-asian women. Which makes phils a treasure trove for me personally.
The correct list of expectations that will set you up for a win are as follows:
1. I love women who are shaped like a tube and have no figure and as brown as possible or a little chubby still with no real shape to make mention of.
2. Where can I go to get unlimited BBFS without question.
3. I love GFE and want a women who will stay with me for a week or month at a time.
4. I love asian ladies but wish they could speak english.
5. I love the idea saving a poor women and it is self gratifying when I upgrade a ladies whole families quality of life.
WestCoast1
12-14-23, 22:49
Other great risks. Walking across the street in PH. Walking on uneven sidewalks.Walking anywhere in Manila, risking a game of "What's That Smell"! Keep an antibiotic in your pocket. . .
Member #4794
12-14-23, 23:55
Walking anywhere in Manila, risking a game of "What's That Smell"! Keep an antibiotic in your pocket. . .How about a free case of sometimes fatal Leptospirosis? Skyrocketing in cases across the philippines in 2023. Cause its more fun in the philippines.
https://crisis24.garda.com/alerts/2023/08/philippines-elevated-leptospirosis-activity-reported-nationwide-through-july
OR for even more fun "double dead" or "hot meat" which is spoiled / painted meat or meat that died from infectious diseases and passed off as normal meat.
Now you know why the bbq is 15 pesos a stick and siomai is 20 pesos.
Even BGC is filthy with rat infestations. In fact in recent history the only places I've gotten sick were in the upper class restaurants in BGC and makati. The reason for this is because I suspect the staff never eats this food because its too expensive so they don't give a crap if its spoiled. I have never been in a hotel in manila that didn't have a rat or bug problem the even the conrad has signs of insects and rodents and every single hotel I've ever stayed at in manila was riddled with pest infestations. Which is why I smh at any one who would willingly go to tondo and eat anything in and around tondo.
I find the provinces to be a little more manageable in this regard but provinces also come with their own inconveniences and hazards.
If you look for inherent risks in the philippines you will just end up paralyzed.
WestCoast1
12-16-23, 00:37
The correct list of expectations that will set you up for a win are as follows:
1. I love women who are shaped like a tube and have no figure and as brown as possible or a little chubby still with no real shape to make mention of.
I do like girls with bigger tits that aren't too chubby, I know most Asians aren't built like this. But, is it still likely that I could find some to suit my preferences? I don't mind fake boobs either. Likely is a matter of probability. You will be more likely to find the body type in the picture. Thin, small boobs, cute.
Any bars in particular partial to this body type? I've heard maybe Fyre.No. The bar's hiring is less discriminate than that. The girls are a mix of NCR talent, leaning towards typical pinay figures. No one bar has a more significant 'type', possibly excepting O'Reillys bar with much older / chubby ladies. You will find more slender gals in V8, Lips, and Maison, but not necessarily with big boobs. I am not saying that there are no skinny-booby girls on Burgos, I am saying they are the exception. Even if you find some, they will often be taken out of the bar earlier in the evening by some other high roller. Your other options are escort services and other online items (Tinder).
From your list, like the other fellas, I fear you might be setting yourself up to fail. Consider other locations. Columbia and Brazil come to mind.
MrPalmerAcc
12-20-23, 03:47
Has anyone tried Locanto? Some of these girls are smoking hot. Wondering if these are the girls that will actually show up or is it just a bait and switch.
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_6341283161/Naughty-and-Nice-Best-ESCORT-in-Manila.html
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_6642150758/CZARINA-FUN-AND-BOOBY-CALL-ME-NOW-BABE-TRY-ME.html
Dark Knight1
12-20-23, 16:10
Clean out you pm box can't reply.
BlueLantern
12-20-23, 19:03
Has anyone tried Locanto? Some of these girls are smoking hot. Wondering if these are the girls that will actually show up or is it just a bait and switch.
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_6341283161/Naughty-and-Nice-Best-ESCORT-in-Manila.html
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_6642150758/CZARINA-FUN-AND-BOOBY-CALL-ME-NOW-BABE-TRY-ME.htmlHaven't used it personally, but I'd be skeptical. I've been browsing PH walkers telegram groups recently and there seems to be a large issue of scammers / fakes on both sides. Guys posting about being scammed after paying a deposit for a date or paying online for video content, or girls demanding deposits and / or face pics to come meet because of so many fake bookers or "trippers".
It's more a matter of putting in the legwork to do what you can to verify, and taking precautions to avoid getting scammed. For example the first link Sabrina has her own website on escortbook with a gallery of 20 pics. That requires a bunch more work than simply posting an ad with some pics and text. You could follow up with her and ask if she has reviews posted somewhere, or screenshots of "field reports". Do reverse image searches, see if she has escorting social media etc.
Member #4794
12-20-23, 20:52
Has anyone tried Locanto? Some of these girls are smoking hot. Wondering if these are the girls that will actually show up or is it just a bait and switch.
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_6341283161/Naughty-and-Nice-Best-ESCORT-in-Manila.html
https://www.locanto.ph/manila/ID_6642150758/CZARINA-FUN-AND-BOOBY-CALL-ME-NOW-BABE-TRY-ME.htmlFirst one is a hooker stock photo they use on most "FAKE" escort sites and the 2nd is a girl called "Yvonne Jane L. " has a porn page on ALUA. That site and all of them on it is a fishing site and they use random girls pictures. SPAM. Maybe a spammer trying to drive traffig to their page? Best to delete that post imo.
Chris Long
12-23-23, 08:11
Is EDSA entertainment center still open in Manila. I heard it burned down but not sure if its true.
WestCoast1
12-23-23, 16:40
Is EDSA entertainment center still open in Manila. I heard it burned down but not sure if its true.I think more than one gent in the past year has reported that it remains closed. Do an Advanced Search (upper-right corner) for Keyword "EDSA", and in the Search Forums drop-down list below Keyword, scroll down and find 'The Philippines', and click "Search Now".
Is EDSA entertainment center still open in Manila. I heard it burned down but not sure if its true.I don't know if it burnt down, but it's definitely been demolished and gone for good. A Multistorey building has been built on land where it was.
WestCoast1
12-24-23, 03:18
Its Noche Buena here in Phils. A pic gift is in order today. Here you see the results of a recent booster shot. I believe its the 8th time that I've administered her a booster this year. She seems to be in regular need of the procedure.
From my ranch to yours: Merry Christmas!
Its Noche Buena here in Phils. A pic gift is in order today. Here you see the results of a recent booster shot. I believe its the 8th time that I've administered her a booster this year. She seems to be in regular need of the procedure.
From my ranch to yours: Merry Christmas!Good you gives her what she needs😉.
Merry Christmas!
WestCoast1
12-24-23, 11:49
Good you gives her what she needs😉.
Merry Christmas!Relentless pursuit of helping the community. I try to never turn away any pinay who makes a bent-over request for help. So exhausting sometimes that I self-medicate with Red Horse and fried chicken when my vaxxing tool is overworked. This is the unintended effect of millions of foreign fellas who did not make the trip across the pond this year, putting extra pressure on IVP's (Independent Vaxxing Practitioners) such as myself. Gawwwwd I need a break. Boracay maybe. Nix that, as there now appears to be freelancers there. F*ck!
How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything? I don't necessary mean one night stand but maybe having multiple girls in rotation.
Is online dating the easiet way or is it better to approach people on public places?
AntiPopular
12-26-23, 05:53
How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything? I don't necessary mean one night stand but maybe having multiple girls in rotation.
Is online dating the easiet way or is it better to approach people on public places?Are you white or tall? If yes to either, insanely easy.
How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything? I don't necessary mean one night stand but maybe having multiple girls in rotation.
Is online dating the easiet way or is it better to approach people on public places?The most expensive sex if the free variety. In the Philippines you will be asked to help all the time, tuition phone, cosmetics etc, much easier just to negotiate a price.
Member #4794
12-27-23, 00:35
How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything?I mean you can meet OLD WOMEN without paying anything. Some would say the bars have low quality the kinds of girls the FREE kind are going to be 10 points below any bar girl, the ones that won't cost a dime are going to be over 45+ and rode real hard the kind of pussy you can fit a watermelon into. In the barangay I would say I get offered FREE sex about every time I go to the market but hell would freeze over before I had sex with these ladies. But I mean if you are after this kind of lady have at it. Toothless blowjobs I heard are a whole genre of sex I am missing out on if you enjoy geriatric sex good for you I guess? The other girls that will be willing to do this live in tondo and are still going to want a roof over their heads, transportation, food, possibly clothes, because the kind of girl that you are going to pick up is laterally going to have holes in everything they own tondo hoe bringing her into a 5 star hotel or luxurious condo is going to be a very awkward walk of shame in both directions.
If you mean "no money" exchanged. Their are girls that will accept food, booze and gifts in exchange for sex but don't be delusional this is still paying and if you add up these expenses they oftentimes add up to much more than just paying a compensated dating fee for sex. The chads in BGC will spring for bottle service and a VIP booth with is min $250-$400 and upwards of $375-650 with food.
In the west this makes some sense because a dinner will cost you $80-$200 while paying for sex is around $400-$1200.
Conversely in the philippines food costs about $15-$25 and sex is about $40-$80 so it is more equitable to pay for the sex "in the philippines", different country different rules.
It will cost you more to create the illusion of not paying for sex than it would be just paying for it.
Shikamaru1993
12-27-23, 01:15
How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything? I don't necessary mean one night stand but maybe having multiple girls in rotation.
Is online dating the easiet way or is it better to approach people on public places?If you are good looking then it's pretty easy. Especially if you are white and tall. Just have a good online dating profile that stands out among the sea of other guys that want to fuck them. Have a look at my old post where I wrote my experience of sleeping with non-pros corporate working women.
Member #4794
12-27-23, 04:24
If you are good looking then it's pretty easy. Especially if you are white and tall. Just have a good online dating profile that stands out among the sea of other guys that want to fuck them. Have a look at my old post where I wrote my experience of sleeping with non-pros corporate working women.Let's be honest here, If he was good looking he would be asking this question? Almost all my sex in countries where I "work" is all non-payment sex in fact they pay me LOL!. On a time crunch of a few weeks or month going to need to use money to speed this up.
How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything?.....When I was a teenager me and a bunch of guys went hitch hiking through Europe. The best looking guy among us who was about 5 foot 8 inches got crazy laid. He even had a Dutch girl accompany him for part of the trip.
Locamotive
12-27-23, 23:37
I've said it before and I'll say it again. You go to The Philippines ON VACATION. Of course I could date LA girls and get sex for theoretically cheaper if I count dinner and drinks in LA and then I compare it to the airfare and the Central Park Jacuzzi suite in AC. But I go there to relax and chill watch sports in the morning and day drink and wander around and do nothing during the day and then nap and have a raging nightly adventure that always results in bare sex. My monthly credit card charge in LA is generally about 4 k USD for food and entertainment. That's exactly the amount of cash I bring to PH for a month, and I don't use a credit card there so that's a break-even. And I will tell you that 4 k brings me a LOT more fun than it does in LA." And I will tell you that 4 k brings me a lot more fun than it does in LA". Hahahaha that is a understatement. . I usually do about 3 k for a month in Phil, 4 k my goodness I think my dick would fall off.
In Vegas two girls wanted 1500 USD each and that was short time mind you. The US to Phil is not apples and oranges its different planets. Why more men don't get the hell out of here I have no idea.
So I saw this on a youtube vid, you might have seen it too. She works near JTV in Manila. Where in the Philippines do will I see more chicks like her? She looks Latina. I guess she has some Spanish mixed in?
If you are good looking then it's pretty easy. Especially if you are white and tall. Just have a good online dating profile that stands out among the sea of other guys that want to fuck them. Have a look at my old post where I wrote my experience of sleeping with non-pros corporate working women.Thanks, taking a look.
WestCoast1
12-29-23, 04:11
So I saw this on a youtube vid, you might have seen it too. She works near JTV in Manila. Where in the Philippines do will I see more chicks like her? She looks Latina. I guess she has some Spanish mixed in?I am not sure there is a solid answer to your question. There is no one location for 'this' or 'that' type of girl. There is no bar or area in Phils that has 'Latina-looking' ladies. There is nothing that stands out about this girl, except possibly she's a bit booby. Can you provide the YT vid link?
...There is no one location for 'this' or 'that' type of girl. There is no bar or area in Phils that has 'Latina-looking' ladies. There is nothing that stands out about this girl, except possibly she's a bit booby....I beg to differ. While there are exceptions to the norm, the average Davaoena (tall and busty), Cebuana (shorter and homely) and Lyetenos (80 lb spinner) look decidedly different.
I'd agree it's difficult to find a bar etc that specialises in a "look". The options that spring to mind are that Asian KTVs etc cater to their own tastes so the girls there tend to fit that mold or the OP may also luck out and find a mamasan that recruits from a certain area where the girls fit his preferences.
Without being offending anyone, the pictured girl sets of my gaydar. If she is indeed a girl, ID agree again that her features are not hard to find in the usual meat markets.
Cheers. G.
HunterMonger
12-29-23, 07:02
Hi, Just wondering if you could post SA profile ID or link of the girls you mentioned in your post.
Much appreciated.
First off, thank you to all who helped me and answered my questions on this forum as I prepared for my trip and to all who have posted helpful reports. I could not have had as much success as I did without all your help.
This is going to be a long and detailed report, so TLDR I met girls from SA and had a blast with each one and took one with me to Boracay.
Although I stayed in a hotel in Makati, I am posting in the Manila forum as my experience could have been had anywhere in the Manila area, as I met girls only from SA and did not venture to P Burgos or any area specific to Makati (although I planned to visit P Burgos but was having too much fun with SA girl, so I scratched that plan).
Firstly the other dating sites. I also signed up for pinalove and filipinocupid, but did not meet any girls from those sites. A lot of the girls were, sorry to say, just not attractive enough for me. Also I was ignoring any profiles that were empty or near empty (just one or two sentences), had phone number in the profile or said "serious relationship only not for fun". That may have been a reason why I couldn't find any girls on those sites. There may have been some hot legit girls who were down for just fun among the ones I ignored. The few girls I did find extremely hot and met my profile requirements did not respond to my messages. I tried on those sites for a few days then gave up. There were just way too many profiles that did not interest me, and I use SA back home and am familiar with sugaring and just felt more comfortable using SA.
Now on to SA. As I mentioned in my previous posts, I was looking to have some fun in Manila then BYOG to Boracay, so I added "travel with you" to my "show members seeking" filter. I also added filters to "do not show members seeking" for "seeking transgender," and "seeking trans-friendly" (note I still got trans girls in my search, so be wary). I added some basic information about me and was up-front in my profile and stated that I was just looking for temporary fun and to find someone to go with me on a weekend getaway. About a week before my arrival I set my location to Makati and started going through profiles. I ignored profiles that were empty or near-empty, had only one photo, had only obviously filtered photos or had only "glam" photos and no "real" cellphone photos. I opened with a brief message that mentioned something from her profile to show I'm not just copy-pasting my messages and said that I would like to discuss arrangements outside of the site on whatsapp. I got a response from about half of the girls I messaged.
After moving to whatsapp I laid out my proposal. 3 k for first meet (coffee or drinks). If we move the meet to my hotel for a LT date another 4 k. Any additional LT dates 7 k each time. If she comes to Boracay with me (3 nights) then 35 k plus cost of travel. I specified that the 35 k would be given at the end of the trip as to protect myself from no-shows and bailers. Note that back home I never offer anything for first meet over coffee or drinks, as all of the SBs back home have cars and can drive themselves. I figured 3 K for just a meet would be enough to draw interest and an amount I would be okay with giving if things didn't proceed from there. It didn't matter in the end because no initial meet did not end up back in my hotel room, as I banged each girl I met. Also I know many of you will probably say I overpaid, but compared to sugaring back home it is just a fraction of the price. I wanted to make an offer that would get a lot of initial interest and was an amount I would be happy with.
From the messages I started blocking girls who either asked for money up front or asked if I wanted to buy pics / vids. One girl started giving me a sob story about family hospital bills, and although she didn't ask for money, my senses were telling me she would soon, so I told her I didn't think we would hit it off and blocked her. A couple girls told me up front that they would be unable to go with me to Boracay, but would still be open to meet up. I kept those girls in my back pocket.
Of the girls that were interested, some did not respond after first day of chatting. Of the ones that maintained contact, I started to talk in more detail about what I was looking for in arrangement. I mentioned that I liked BBBJ, DATY and bb sex. Those that did not want to do those I told them sorry it won't work out and ended communication. Of those that were okay with those, I requested a quick video chat. There was none who denied, so it was easy to verify all of the girls I was still chatting with were real and can speak English very well. At this point I was left with six potentials.
Day 1 - Girls 1 and 2.
Girl 1. Met at Starbucks. We met early afternoon, as I had planned to meet with another girl later that night. She was an hour and half late, but as previous posts in this thread had mentioned, this was expected and I prepared for that by choosing the Starbucks right across the street from my hotel. She was super cute and even better looking in person compared to our video chat. No extra fat on her and very attractive. We had a great chat, and she was very excited about the possibility of going to Boracay, as she said she has never been. It was time to see how we got along in the sack. I invited her up to my hotel room where we chatted a little more on the couch before things started to get handsy and soon we were making out. BBBJ on the couch before we moved to the bed where we had excellent sex. She tasted clean. She said she wasn't on birth control so asked me to finish outside so I obliged and decorated her stomach. First sex of the trip so I blew my load pretty quickly. But after a quick rinse in the shower and some chit chat while naked in the bed I was ready for round 2. Again great sex and this time I finished in doggy and decorated her back. She was very intimate and I had such great sex that I had a strong feeling that she would be hard to beat. But later that night I met girl #2.
Girl 2. Asked her to meet me at my hotel bar. This one was actually on time. This one was even more attractive than the first. We had a drink and I had a great chat with her as well. After we finished our drinks I was about to invite her up to my room, but before I could she asked if I wanted to have another drink at a different bar. That sounded like fun, so I agreed. She gave me the name of the place she wanted to go and I called a grab. We got to the bar and had a couple drinks. During this time she was getting more and more flirty and handsy. This was getting me aroused and at times causing me to get an erection that I was trying to hide as I didn't want other patrons of the bar seeing me walking around with a raging hard-on LOL. BTW I highly recommend cialis over viagra. At times I have difficulty getting it up when I go on sex marathons, and this was my first time using cialis. My friend told me how much better it is because you can just take it early in the day and you will be ready when it comes time, unlike viagra where you have to time it an hour before. Cialis worked like a charm. I took it a couple hours before meeting the first girl, and I was getting hard like a school boy 12 hours later even after having blown two loads earlier in the day. After a couple drinks we left and she led me around outside to get some late night street food. We then took a grab back to my hotel, where we showered together as I have been sweating buckets in the humid manila heat. Moved to the bed and had even better sex than the first girl. Even more intimate and more into it plus she was on birth control so let me cip. Took another quick shower and she asked if she could take a nap for a couple hours before she left. We went to sleep cuddled up and was awakened by her alarm a couple hours later. She said she was too sleepy and asked if she could just stay the rest of the night. Woke up in the morning and cuddled some more which led to hands roaming and I was hard again. Had a morning sex session, she washed up and left. There was a new front runner.
Day 2.
After Girl 2 left in the morning I did some sight seeing around Manila. After all I came for travel in addition to the girls. I don't like to be misleading, so I messaged Girl 1 to let her know that I met someone that I had a better connection with (although I lied and said I met her the day after instead of a few hours after she left LOL) and said I'm sorry but we probably won't be going to Boracay together. She said she understood. I also arranged another date with Girl 2 for the following day. She offered to spend the day with me and show me around Manila a bit. So we agree to a day date around the city then dinner. I had arranged a date with Girl 3 for the night but she messaged me to say that she was on her period, but that she was towards the end of it, so we postponed until Day 4. Girl 3 BTW is the only one who countered me and asked for more. She asked for 10 k each date and 40 k for the Boracay trip. This girl is insanely hot. She looked like a 10/10 absolute bombshell in her photos that I thought were too good to be true, but our video chat confirmed that she was real, and this was still far less than what I would pay for sugaring back home, so I agreed. After Girl 3 messaged to postpone, I tried messaging the two girls who I had been keeping in my back pocket who couldn't go with me for the weekend but still open to meet. One said she couldn't meet that night but the other was available. However the messages started to feel weird. She was way too eager in the messages with the "oh baby I can't wait to meet and fuck you" and "I can't wait to suck your dick". I tried to re-confirm with her the amount for the PPM, but each time I asked "so is 7 k good with you" instead of confirming she would just respond with "I want your cock so bad". I didn't like the way the conversation was going so I told her never mind and blocked her. It was late, so no sex this night.
Day 3.
Girl 2 again. Met at my hotel early afternoon, and she took me to a museum and we walked around SM MOA. When she suggested the mall I thought she would surely ask me to buy her something, but she just bought some stuff with her own money. After that dinner at a place I had been wanting to to go then back to my hotel for another round of great sex ending in cip. At this point I was pretty certain she is the one I'll be taking with me to Boracay as she was so fun to talk to and the sex has been fantastic. Only one round of sex but I was tired from all the walking around that day anyways. She said she couldn't meet the next two days as she had some stuff to do, so we agreed our next meet would be the day we leave for Boracay. This put me in a dilemma, as I had hoped the one I went with would meet up the day before the trip, so I can pay for the trip once I am certain of my choice, and I still hadn't met the insanely hot Girl 3. So I told Girl 2 that I wanted her to go with me, but I had hoped to meet the day before for me to buy the fights. She proposed instead that she buy the fights herself and that I just pay her back, which was the perfect solution. Again as I try to be honorable with the ladies I told her that I was meeting someone else the next day, so she told me to message her after my date to confirm. These girls probably already assume that men are seeing multiple girls anyways, so she didn't react negatively at all and was very understanding. At this point I thought Girls 4, 5 and 6 had virtually no chance of beating out Girl 2 as my time remaining in Manila was running short, so I let them know that sorry but I don't think it's happening. They were all very understanding.
Day 4.
I messaged Girl 3 to see what time she could meet up with me. While waiting her response I checked out a couple other museums. Girl 3 got back to me and said she was still on her period and didn't think she would be off it until the following day. At this point as much as it hurt me to give up on this bombshell, I told her that would be too late, and I will have to make a decision before then. She understood. But I still wanted to bang this girl badly I told her if she's open to just meeting for one PPM for the agreed upon 10 k I can see her the next day. She said she would get back to me. I never heard from her again. Meanwhile Girl 1 whom I have already told we were not going to Boracay together had been messaging me every day just to chat over whatsapp. So I figured maybe she just wants another PPM, so I asked if she wanted to meet up again just for a PPM. She said yes but that she wasn't going to be in the area until the next day. So we arranged to meet tomorrow instead. So then I reached out to the one back pocket girl I had remaining, and she was available. If she hadn't been available I probably would have ventured out to P Burgos, but backup girl met me at the hotel bar. Had a drink and yet another good chat before moving to my room. This one was the least attractive of the girls I've met, but still very attractive. The sex was yet again incredible. At this point I'm wondering is every girl in the Philippines very intimate and GFE or am I just getting lucky? This one was on birth control so I finished cip. A quick rinse in the shower, small talk in bed, then round 2 cip finish. She left and I slept like a baby.
Day 5.
I told Girl 2 we are good to go, so I told her the flight numbers of my departure and returning flights and she bought them and sent me a screenshot (came out to more than 9 k but less than 10 k). She told me she would be at my hotel 4 hours before flight time. She's been on time for our previous dates, so I wasn't too concerned about her showing up late and missing our flight. Spent my last full day in Manila checking out a few other places and eating at restaurants I had been wanting to go. After dinner Girl 1 arrived, and had another great time in the sack again but with no cip. She lives in a province about an hour away (2-3 hours by bus) so she said unfortunately could not stay for round 2. That was fine with me as the sex was so good anyways and she is so cute and pretty I felt like I got my money's worth. She left and I started to pack my things so I can be prepared to check out the next day.
Days 6-9.
I will keep this part just as a summary. Girl 2 arrived on time, I gave her 10 k for the flights and headed to the airport. The 3 nights in Boracay might be the best 3 night stretch of my life. Spending that time with a beautiful woman with plenty of sex at a resort with beautiful beaches and some fantastic snorkeling will be unforgettable. My suite came with a balcony hot tub and we made sure to have sex in that too. At the end gave her the agreed upon amount plus 5 k extra because she was everything I hoped for and more. We departed ways and she said if I'm ever in the Philippines again to give her a message. I don't know when I'll go back, but if I do I will definitely be reaching out to her.
I don't know if I just got lucky with the girls, but this was the best p4 p trip I've ever had. Sure I spent more than my trip to Thailand, but I literally had 100% of my sex encounters in the Philippines be with very attractive girls who all were very intimate and GFE. In Thailand I had some duds and some that were not as attractive. Compared to that I would gladly put up more again for what I had in the Philippines.
Locamotive
12-29-23, 20:56
So I saw this on a youtube vid, you might have seen it too. She works near JTV in Manila. Where in the Philippines do will I see more chicks like her? She looks Latina. I guess she has some Spanish mixed in?I think she has more than Spanish in the mix. I see girls like her occasionally, light skin and very little or no eye slant. I've met a few and when I ask are you from Philippines, yes sir, but my grandpa was a American service man. I think that's probably the case with most who look this way, a white westerner got in the gene pool somewhere. While she is cute the Asian eyes are what drive me crazy, the lighter skin is fine either way.
Member #4794
12-29-23, 21:34
So I saw this on a youtube vid, you might have seen it too. She works near JTV in Manila. Where in the Philippines do will I see more chicks like her? She looks Latina. I guess she has some Spanish mixed in?This is not a girl not a chick and more DUDES like HIM are found in gay establishments not available on this forum you'll have to look else where. He has "has some Spanish mixed" into is penis. However I hope you are mistaken and just blue balled and or possibly clinically blind and just need clarification that you are looking to hook up with a man in that video, so be much more discerning in person if you are not purposely looking for men, whatever floats your boat its just against the TOS here. Just as a warning this is, AVOID that corner at all costs, the bar adjacent to "Mickey Color Lens" across from "Remedios Circle" his bar is right next to this store and in that same video (Philippine Christmas! Manila Nightlife Street Scenes! So Many Pretty Ladies!) at 0:39 seconds, he says in a undeniably manly voice "go upstair" If you are looking for ladyboy and ladyboy bars this is not the site for that. Thank you for illustrating why I do not like "latin" looking girls as they LOOK like ladyboys to me at least and I am not into men. Weird that you are asking where to find these when they show you the actual location in the video!
What are prices at this type of places (in photo)? This is a screengrab from a youtube vid.
I am a seasoned monger but all of my trips have been in Latin America. I am thinking about heading to the Phillipines next time.
I am not a party person, I just want to pick a girl and have sex with her. The place in pic do they offer sex? Is that a brothel or do I have to buy them drinks and negociate with them?
Here is the pic, I forgot to attach.
WestCoast1
12-31-23, 07:17
Here is the pic, I forgot to attach.Is this from the same video as before? It will be helpful DM if you can post the link. This pic appears to be from any of the KTV fishbowl type places. I don't have experience picking up there. Does anyone else?
DM it might be better for you to concentrate on the Burgos (Makati) gogo bars for point-n-shoot girlie nawty. Please see the Makati thread and RTTF.
WestCoast1
12-31-23, 13:57
DMoscow: Do you provide any descriptive Field Reports, or do you just ask questions? DM started posting just this year, has 30+ posts, all questions. I'm worried that we might take time to help you, then you don't post up your experiences here (reading other fella's reports, BTW, is how you get answers to your questions). His past 7 posts:
What are prices at this type of places (in photo)? This is a screengrab from a youtube vid. I am not a party person, I just want to pick a girl and have sex with her. The place in pic do they offer sex? Is that a brothel or do I have to buy them drinks and negociate with them?
So I saw this on a youtube vid, you might have seen it too. She works near JTV in Manila. Where in the Philippines do will I see more chicks like her? She looks Latina. I guess she has some Spanish mixed in?
Where is GPGUIA's template? I'd like to follow the format, but where do I write the girl's name so it's in the green box, not just text in the paragraph? Thanks.
Thanks for the clarification. Do you mean expect for Prime, you need to pay in full for one session and tell them your user name in order to receive discount onwards (with reviews written)?
Who earns less in this case? The house or the girl? Would the girl be a little upset if she ends up make a little less?
How much discount are we talking about? Say R250 per hour normally, and with discount? Do I tell the reception if I have written reviews?
Anyone know how to write a review for a clinica and get a discount?
DMoscow: Do you provide any descriptive Field Reports, or do you just ask questions? DM started posting just this year, has 30+ posts, all questions. I'm worried that we might take time to help you, then you don't post up your experiences here (reading other fella's reports, BTW, is how you get answers to your questions). His past 7 posts:This is completely unnecessary. I did ask many questions recently but I have also written lengthy reports. If you check my posts from July, you will see many long ones. I will link one below.
I've been reading this forum for a while in preparation to my first trip to Colombia. I think I read all the posts from this year and 2022. Thanks for all you contributions, my first week here was fire. Here is my experience, hoping my info can help out another person reading this in the future.
I am in my mid 30's, been to over 2 dozen countries (mostly European countries), speak conversational Spanish. Have mongered in Spain, Germany and Brazil.
As I have travelled a lot, I knew what I needed for this trip: burner phone, fee free ATM card and American condoms. For my past trips to Europe, I usually just pack a bag and go, but coming to South America, I have to be extra cautious. I have an iphone 14 with no sim card slot, this actually complicated things for me this time around. When I went to Brazil last year, I just pull out my sim card from my iphone 11 and put it in my old iphone 6 and that was my burner phone. Now I don't have a sim card for my old burner phone anymore. What a bummer. I also have a list of prepagos I wanted to fuck, chicas from IG, prepagos with good reviews on a Spanish forum, and several casas in centro and laureles.
Wicked Roger
12-31-23, 23:19
This is completely unnecessary. I did ask many questions recently but I have also written lengthy reports. If you check my posts from July, you will see many long ones. I will link one below.Or Westie DM could PM members and chat that way and ask all the questions? Just an idea.
WestCoast1
01-01-24, 11:16
This is completely unnecessary. I did ask many questions recently but I have also written lengthy reports. If you check my posts from July, you will see many long ones. I will link one below.I stand somewhat corrected. Of your 30-ish reports, back in August you asked a few Columbia questions, then posted 3 FR's from your Columbia trip. Following that, you asked questions in 23 continuous posts regarding Brazil and Phils. No solid FR's from your Brazil trip. From your questions of the Brazil gents, what did they get in return? What will those on the Phils threads get? We still don't have the link to they vid you mentioned. The board is rife with fellas who ask oodles of questions, then provide little or no input following their trip.
Or Westie DM could PM members and chat that way and ask all the questions? Just an idea.As the only one who has had any input for the good DM was MM, I would suggest that DM follow WR's advice and ask his questions of the old guard members in Private Message.
I also continue to advise DM to simply hit the gogo bars on Burgos Street (not KTV's), as he is looking for straight point-and-shoot.
Member #4794
01-01-24, 13:52
I also continue to advise DM to simply hit the gogo bars on Burgos Street (not KTV's), as he is looking for straight point-and-shoot.East asians (Koreas Chinese Japanese Cantonese) Still go to these places. BIG rip off. You pay a flat rate that has a 30% tax. Surcharge added on top of your over all bill. The girls are really cold and standoffish in these place not like the normal GFE we are accustomed to. They will let you grab a tit but act like it was something special. Everything in a KTV costs extra selection fee and VIP room ect. So you are not going to leav e this place without paying at like 2-4 k Plus if you are after sex takes place after hours and will cost another 10 k-15 k So you are looking at double burgos. And 4 x AC on the low end of these KTVs I gave up on the Mabini Street KTVs about 10 years ago. Worst thing that takes place is they mix in layboys into these bars its like rat shit in my free popcorn and you will sometimes be harassed by some dude in a dress. I also don't like that the vermin that hang outside these bars try to make a commission off you by leading you into the bar you decided to go into further inflating your bill. A lot of these girls work there as to avoid having sex for money(they eventually migrate to AC for 1/4th the price) and telling their boyfriends that bar fines and sex is not allowed. If these bars just straight up offered bar fines I think I might give them a shot again but as they are now still scams pass. The absolute least value for money in the philippines. NEVER a fun time for me, obviously made for someone but for the "sex" addict this is not it. In fact the last 2-3 barfines I had in AC were girls who moved from manila to AC that worked in these bars. The papa-sans that recruit girls from these places i think work at GENESIS CLUB last I heard?
To learn more t2 asia4 v on youtube gives a good run down of these places.
Chocha Monger
01-02-24, 05:40
This is not a girl not a chick and more DUDES like HIM are found in gay establishments not available on this forum you'll have to look else where. He has "has some Spanish mixed" into is penis. However I hope you are mistaken and just blue balled and or possibly clinically blind and just need clarification that you are looking to hook up with a man in that video, so be much more discerning in person if you are not purposely looking for men, whatever floats your boat its just against the TOS here. Just as a warning this is, AVOID that corner at all costs, the bar adjacent to "Mickey Color Lens" across from "Remedios Circle" his bar is right next to this store and in that same video (Philippine Christmas! Manila Nightlife Street Scenes! So Many Pretty Ladies!) at 0:39 seconds, he says in a undeniably manly voice "go upstair" If you are looking for ladyboy and ladyboy bars this is not the site for that. Thank you for illustrating why I do not like "latin" looking girls as they LOOK like ladyboys to me at least and I am not into men. Weird that you are asking where to find these when they show you the actual location in the video!Heavy brow, strong jaw, broad shoulders, and manly wrists. He definitely has some Spanish mixed into his penis, as the unlucky monger who goes upstairs will find out.
Would it be posssible to know what area you were in and what hotels were used for meetings mThx mate!
Hi, Just wondering if you could post SA profile ID or link of the girls you mentioned in your post.
Much appreciated.
How easy is it to meet girls without paying anything? I don't necessary mean one night stand but maybe having multiple girls in rotation.
Is online dating the easiet way or is it better to approach people on public places?It's pretty easy since it has happened to me on most of my trips, but not all of them as far as I remember. Sometimes online sometimes public places. I still have some girls I know and one or two maybe would still be ready for sex anytime. I never paid them anything. They have jobs for some money. Some or actually one won't do it anymore like she did when she was younger. That's what she said to me. If it is not a one night stand it might sometimes take some time though. And many of the girls from public places won't have sex with you, some were even virgins. Last time one girl from online suggested a hookup but asked for no money. She was hungry and I bought her Jollibee. The following day she messaged and wanted sex for money. A night for 3 k but I was tired and declined (she was 25 and decent body) and she was willing to go to even 1 k a night. But still declined. Once one girl needed to stay the night in Manila and I offered her my room. So it was sorf of free because room already paid and ended up in sex too.
It's pretty easy since it has happened to me on most of my trips, but not all of them as far as I remember. Sometimes online sometimes public places. I still have some girls I know and one or two maybe would still be ready for sex anytime. I never paid them anything. They have jobs for some money. Some or actually one won't do it anymore like she did when she was younger. That's what she said to me. If it is not a one night stand it might sometimes take some time though. And many of the girls from public places won't have sex with you, some were even virgins. Last time one girl from online suggested a hookup but asked for no money. She was hungry and I bought her Jollibee. The following day she messaged and wanted sex for money. A night for 3 k but I was tired and declined (she was 25 and decent body) and she was willing to go to even 1 k a night. But still declined. Once one girl needed to stay the night in Manila and I offered her my room. So it was sorf of free because room already paid and ended up in sex too.ID agree that freebies are readily available and that sometimes "free" can be far more expensive than a direct cash for services payment.
There are lots of paths and reasons. Here are some, from less to more desirable:
1st stages of a long con.
Buy one get one free programs.
Girlie is happy to stick around for the aircon and nice surroundings.
Payment in kind for a place to stay for the night.
Curiosity.
She is actually attracted to the guy.
Cheers. G.
HunterMonger
01-03-24, 07:42
Would it be posssible to know what area you were in and what hotels were used for meetings mThx mate!I am going to live in Makati area, city garden hotel.
I have SA subscription, but just want see tested and trialed girls rather than just experimenting as I am going to visit for a week only.
If you provide ID OR SA profile link, I can contact them and have chat with them.
Thanks.
I have been to Abacca several times and have been happy with their service every time. This time I am staying close to Mall of Asia. Are there any similiar establishments in the Pasay area? What I'm looking for specifically is a half decent back and shoulder rub followed by a long and teasing massage with plenty of cock, balls and arse action.
KrumeLurer
01-03-24, 22:25
I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service. How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense. There is around 40 million americans on food stamps.
Americans have been a part of inflating the market since covid ended. With overvalued US dollars and cashed saved up from covidyears they go out and overpay and justify it by talking about the overinflated numbers in the US. "I pay at least 400 dollars for a women in the US" bla bla bla.
" In Vegas two girls wanted 1500 USD each and that was short time mind you. The US to Phil is not apples and oranges its different planets. Why more men don't get the hell out of here I have no idea.
In the west this makes some sense because a dinner will cost you $80-$200 while paying for sex is around $400-$1200.
Conversely in the philippines food costs about $15-$25 and sex is about $40-$80 so it is more equitable to pay for the sex "in the philippines", different country different rules.
It will cost you more to create the illusion of not paying for sex than it would be just paying for it.
Zach Hammond
01-03-24, 23:15
I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service.There are; but they are mostly freelancers. There are some freelance escorts that operate online for prices like this.
However, freelancers in the US have a big problem with drug addiction. So most of the US freelancers aren't talked about as "freelancers" but rather as "crack hos" — and are not seen as safe to visit for the average man. (Those men who are on food stamps just visit them nevertheless.).
How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense.The trick is that middle-class American men mostly don't poon in America, but rather take "business trips" elsewhere. Who keeps the economies of Mexico, Colombia, DR, etc. Afloat? American men who can't get laid at home. If the average American man could afford the average American prostitute, these countries would have no tourism.
To add at least a little something on-topic: the same problem is at the root of there being so many Chinese and Koreans in the Philippines. The Philippines is to them as Mexico is to Americans: a cheap flight destination where the girls are more affordable than they are at home.
WestCoast1
01-04-24, 01:44
I left the UK (my home country) in 2011 and prior to leaving I used to pay between GBP50 and GBP80 for sex with working girls (PHP3,200 to PHP5,200). This was in London and also in other big cities in the UK, almost all of the girls that serviced me were Asian, mostly Chinese, with some Korean, Japanese and Thais. I never expected to end up in Manila paying more for sex than I was paying in the UK!Yes. Euro-FKK type services are (or at least were, pre-covid), available in Europe. Although the Euro threads on ISG also show prices in multiples of this, and sometimes for older fugs*. Also Md's comparison is from 2011 to now. Guessing those prices in London might not be available with young cuties now?
I have a hard time beliving that this really applies to all american prostitutes. There must be women around who is ok for 100-150 dollars for service. How can the prices be so different from western Europe? It makes no sense. There is around 40 million americans on food stamps.Your argument is academic; it avoids reality. Sad face for Americans.
Americans have been a part of inflating the market since covid ended. With overvalued US dollars and cashed saved up from covidyears they go out and overpay and justify it by talking about the overinflated numbers in the US. "I pay at least 400 dollars for a women in the US" bla bla bla.The market was inflated long before covid. When thousands of women command higher prices, its either a concerted effort on their part to 'mafia-up' and hold the line (difficult to believe that any 10 women could agree on any one thing), or its just the market being the market.
Md and KL, we have posted here before American prices, mostly ala AMP's. Prostitution in America is a bit more taboo. Choices are usually: 1) AMP's (Chinese massage parlors), where an older / fugly Chinita massages you with hand job to completion, usually $60 for the massage, and $100 for the HJ, $200 includes oral (covered), and $300 is FS. 2) Escort services (very expensive).
Previously we had my redbook dot com, but it was put out of business in around 2014-ish. It was an online website where girls could advertise and you could make an appointment for incall or outcall. There is no 'set rate', girls were all independent contractors. Typical price were $200 for a chub, fug, or older gal; $300 for an attractive woman under age 30, and $500-$1000 for a college hottie. Those prices might double in the big city. Prices vary widely depending on location. And let me be clear about the girl's requirements: They are long, and steep. As examples: That is PER HOUR, and you WILL WEAR A CONDOM. YOU WILL DEPART THE PREMISES AT THE 60 MINUTE MARK (or alternately, EARLIER IF YOU CUM FAST), AND YOU WILL PAY IN CASH BEFORE EVEN SAYING HELLO. PERIOD. Discounts are given for multiple hours purchased in advance. For instance, if she is $300 for the first hour, she might agree to $500 for 2 hours. About 5 minutes before the 1-hour mark you will hear a 'ding', as she has set the 55-minute alarm, then she tells you its time to get dressed and get out. "I have another client".
While redbook went out of biz, the industry lived on. During covid (and since), prices went up by about 50%. That bit about "I pay at least $400 for a woman in the US" is real. That's for an hour of covered joy. I know gents who pay multiples of that. Having availed of this system before, I can vouch that the girls were as pictured, young and guapa, and they always provided a good service and wanted me to return (and sometimes discounted for future visits, ala -$50 the next time). However its a biz. You either go to her place (CCTV mounted above the front door), or you meet at HER fav hotel (and you pay for the room). Redbook comprised thousands of girls (possibly multiples of that), with the biggest concentration was oddly in Sacramento (you'd think LA or NY). It was a large, eclectic set of ladies available in most locations, but you never saw "150 per hour". Think twice that on the low end. If your biz trip took you to Fargo, or St. George, you could probably find someone in the area available to tickle your fancy. Here is a link to an article from 2015, Wired website "The Rise and Fall of RedBook, the Site That Sex Workers Couldn't Live Without":
https://www.wired.com/2015/02/redbook/
I also know girls in my area who went for considerably less (at times), either due to circumstantial need, emergencies, or drug fixes (crack ho's).
Las Vegas. LV is its own bubble, with all sorts of nawty possibilities. But prices are just as high, or higher. A mate went there pre-covid and met a gal at the hotel bar. She said she could swing by his place later. They exchanged phone numbers. She txt later suggesting she stop by. He agreed. She asked what her compensation would be for an hour of happiness. He took a picture of four $100 bills and sent it to her. Her reply: "Um, you need to triple that. I can give you my discount if you triple that. I will bring a condom. Its one hour". He didn't reply, disgusted at the thought of more than $1000 USD. Also he showed me her pic, she's just blah, late 30's.
ZH is quite right. Americans either put up with these high prices, or we hit Mexico, SA, DR, or asia.
* OTOH. Europe. While the FKK's exist, and one can fly to Germany for these, what other venues exist like this? Where do mongers turn to in France, England, Poland, etc for the lower prices? The ISG boards are rife with gents rolling around Poland or such trying hard to find point-and-shoot poon, finding fugs, paying high prices. I direct you to just one such post (recent):
http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?758-Warsaw&p=2871625&viewfull=1#post2871625
And to quote:
A. Call around 7 pmish time. These girls work during the day, work only for the short window in the evening. They don't answer or even shut off the their sex phones during the day.
Be. No girl will have the real photos. Polish girls are even more careful on the internet exposure. Don't waste your energy to save the link while jerking off over their photos.
See. Prepare 300 PLN (zloty. Standard price) x multiples. They don't appreciate the Euros, and they are not smart to do the plus and minus.
The. Polish girls are not really into sex, it seems. They are extremely careful into hygiene. No kiss, no bare back bjs. Some are good, some are not.
4. Even at 250 EURO for 1 hour, fake girl comes to your door. My budget was 100 euro (440 zloty) per hour.
Many posting says 1 hour for 50 Euro. Very hard to find. For 50 Euro, you will get old, saggy, beer bellied woman, but they are still beautiful and better than others.
I was lucky to bump into this woman for incall. She showed up with long legs (which I love), but she didn't even bring the lubricant. I didn't have Polish money so I gave her 50 Euros and extended hours. I showed the math, but she does not seem to understand, so I ended up spending 250 Euros for 2 shots for 1. 5 hours. Please prepare 300 zloty, 300 zloty, 300 zloty to extend your hours (if you like girl).
Damn Putin! I hate you!
Member #4794
01-04-24, 02:32
However, freelancers in the US have a big problem with drug addiction. So most of the US freelancers aren't talked about as "freelancers" but rather as "crack hos" and are not seen as safe to visit for the average man. (Those men who are on food stamps just visit them nevertheless.).
.Solid explanation, You can always find lower.
$100 Motel 6 crack ho is your. Philippiens equivalent of the Avenida-Recto shabu heads.
Go to Hotel Sogo. Avenida around 10 pm ish you'll see girls for less than 1 k the quality of these girls is 0/10, you can still find them in the day time but they are much less prevalent. This area is EXTREEMLY dangerous past 10 pm and I would not advise any tourist to walk down this street alone after 10 pm. Mostly because of patches of broken streetlights make this very sketchy, Their are no diamonds in the rough here all real rough stones. And the Hotel Sogo. Recto also has the lowest possible form of hooker in the philippines. Recto Avenue used to be known for really shady cinemas the old hollywood blvd kind where you could get a blow job or rub and tug in the heater or rub one out its fabled to still be happening but? No one here considering this group has turned into high rollers for 5 k-10 k a pop would go anywhere near this place.
Expat American
01-04-24, 08:02
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Previously we had my redbook dot com, but it was put out of business in around 2014-ish. It was an online website where girls could advertise and you could make an appointment for incall or outcall. There is no 'set rate', girls were all independent contractors. Typical price were $200 for a chub, fug, or older gal; $300 for an attractive woman under age 30, and $500-$1000 for a college hottie. Those prices might double in the big city. Prices vary widely depending on location. And let me be clear about the girl's requirements: They are long, and steep. As examples: That is PER HOUR, and you WILL WEAR A CONDOM. YOU WILL DEPART THE PREMISES AT THE 60 MINUTE MARK (or alternately, EARLIER IF YOU CUM FAST), AND YOU WILL PAY IN CASH BEFORE EVEN SAYING HELLO. PERIOD. Discounts are given for multiple hours purchased in advance. For instance, if she is $300 for the first hour, she might agree to $500 for 2 hours. About 5 minutes before the 1-hour mark you will hear a 'ding', as she has set the 55-minute alarm, then she tells you its time to get dressed and get out. "I have another client".
Ah the good old days of sfredbook. I was in the Bay area and regular user and contributor of reviews etc. I have to say, I could always get a decent independent at $200 or less and AAMP experience was 160 for a Taiwanese MILF or $200 for a more attractive Korean. Some of them even offered BBFS, especially if you were a regular. I found BDSM providers as well at reasonable prices. But back then even SA was a gold mine of non-pros who could be got for a whole evening for $300 or less, sometimes even for the price of a meal. I left the US in 2017 so haven't mongered there since then but sounds like its pretty horrible now.
Meanwhile here in Singapore I just fucked a Thai girl for 90 min 2 x for about $100. And even managed BBFS. So Bye Bye Miss American Pie.
WestCoast1
01-04-24, 08:26
Ah the good old days of sfredbook. I was in the Bay area and regular user and contributor of reviews etc. I have to say, I could always get a decent independent at $200 or less and AAMP experience was 160 for a Taiwanese MILF or $200 for a more attractive Korean. Some of them even offered BBFS, especially if you were a regular. I found BDSM providers as well at reasonable prices. But back then even SA was a gold mine of non-pros who could be got for a whole evening for $300 or less, sometimes even for the price of a meal. I left the US in 2017 so haven't mongered there since then but sounds like its pretty horrible now.
Meanwhile here in Singapore I just fucked a Thai girl for 90 min 2 x for about $100. And even managed BBFS. So Bye Bye Miss American Pie.Ya that would be the cost of an AC girl, but with longer recovery time between shots.
Think for a moment of those experiences, not from the standpoint of a repeater or regular customer, just as a john who was fresh off the airplane for his week-long conference today. Could you have gotten BBFS from almost all of them for those prices? And further, what would those BBFS prices be now, post-covid inflationary? I ask for this reason: The previous euro gents were thinking of US prices being similar to euro prices (or even euro prices a decade ago). Comparing such sfredbook experiences for new gents today, and the cheaper euro FKK prices today (to include airfare & hotels), and Phils prices today (to include airfare & hotels). Aren't they 3 different animals?
And as another question: Euro girls, especially FKK. Condom required? Full hour or 90 minutes like EA for 2 pops, same price? How does that work?
The other girls that will be willing to do this live in tondo and are still going to want a roof over their heads, transportation, food, possibly clothes, because the kind of girl that you are going to pick up is laterally going to have holes in everything they own tondo hoe bringing her into a 5 star hotel or luxurious condo is going to be a very awkward walk of shame in both directions.Here's a couple of Tondo girls with my new fav leading the way.
Expat American
01-04-24, 09:15
Ya that would be the cost of an AC girl, but with longer recovery time between shots.
Think for a moment of those experiences, not from the standpoint of a repeater or regular customer, just as a john who was fresh off the airplane for his week-long conference today. Could you have gotten BBFS from almost all of them for those prices? And further, what would those BBFS prices be now, post-covid inflationary? I ask for this reason: The previous euro gents were thinking of US prices being similar to euro prices (or even euro prices a decade ago). Comparing such sfredbook experiences for new gents today, and the cheaper euro FKK prices today (to include airfare & hotels), and Phils prices today (to include airfare & hotels). Aren't they 3 different animals?
And as another question: Euro girls, especially FKK. Condom required? Full hour or 90 minutes like EA for 2 pops, same price? How does that work?I have been to German FKKs several times. BBFS is the norm in the RTC clubs in the north west and one or two places in Frankfurt. The rest used to include DFK, BBBJ and CFS. The standard was 50 Euro for 30 min or 100 Euro for an hour. I always went for the 30 min single pop. First time I saw a FKK was when the Euro just came out as a currency and 50 Euro was 40 USD. Back then the clubs were full of super hot Russian, Polish, Ukranian etc unlike now when its 90% Romanian. The RTC clubs were even cheaper (30 Euro a pop) and you could BBFSCIP with less hot girls but still many notches above the average US hooker.
All nostalgia. Its not like that anymore I hear.
I have been to German FKKs several times. BBFS is the norm in the RTC clubs in the north west and one or two places in Frankfurt. The rest used to include DFK, BBBJ and CFS. The standard was 50 Euro for 30 min or 100 Euro for an hour. I always went for the 30 min single pop. First time I saw a FKK was when the Euro just came out as a currency and 50 Euro was 40 USD. Back then the clubs were full of super hot Russian, Polish, Ukranian etc unlike now when its 90% Romanian. The RTC clubs were even cheaper (30 Euro a pop) and you could BBFSCIP with less hot girls but still many notches above the average US hooker.
All nostalgia. Its not like that anymore I hear.I can add some input to this topic as I've been to a couple of FKKs in the past year and researched a few in Frankfurt.
Germany and more specifically Frankfurt are by far the best destination for FKKs still. FKK Sharks is regarded as the best. Prices have gone up with standard half hour service (no extras) being €70 or even more. Extras like BBBJ cost €50. I'm not familiar with any club in Europe offering BBFS. Club entrance fees have also gone up to around €95, think it is less at Sharks and the Frankfurt clubs.
The clubs I went to were Goldentime in Vienna and Sauna Club Prague. Goldentime in Vienna was great, although a little pricey with 30 minutes standard service starting at €100. I do love having drinks in a club surrounded by gorgeous naked women though, and would recommend that everyone here tries this experience at least once. It's a shame that quality of most clubs has gone downhill, as mentioned above there is a significant amount of Romanians in these clubs whose service is lacklustre. That's why selecting a good girl is key and not being pressured by the first girl who flirts with you. I remember walking into GT and straight away two Moldovan girls grabbing my arm and starting some heavy persuasion.
I knew to expect this and am usually very good at saying no when I'm not interested. Things got hard (literally!) when they took me to the quiet porn theatre and sat real close with their boobs right in my face. I almost cracked then, but forced myself to remember that they were nowhere near the top 10% of girls in the club, and also focus on their imperfections. I knew I'the regret wasting time and money on these girls so had to be more firm and got away (some girls are really pushy and gaslight you into choosing them).
It's strange because it really flips the script on how guys are usually treated. In the outside world girls are the ones hit on in clubs and pressured into sex, but in the FKKs men are hit on with girls coming up to you and flirting.
My patience was rewarded at GT as I had an amazing time with a pale, auburn haired Hungarian who had an amazing natural body. She gave me an awesome GFE for €200.
I wouldn't bother with the FKK in Prague. I've heard the girls there can get aggressive if you reject them, also there are much better value girls elsewhere in the city.
So yeah, FKKs are a great experience. Especially if you can go through multiple women per hour. If you're a one pop guy then it's less value for money when you consider the club entrance fee.
I have been to Abacca several times and have been happy with their service every time. This time I am staying close to Mall of Asia. Are there any similiar establishments in the Pasay area? What I'm looking for specifically is a half decent back and shoulder rub followed by a long and teasing massage with plenty of cock, balls and arse action.Mind telling me a little about Abacca? I've heard about it, but it doesn't have a website.
Do you have to make an appointment? Is it just standard massage and HJ?
What I'm really searching for is a proper Nuru massage (with the gel! It's the grail I've been searching for haha. All the massage places I've been to in Barca, Vienna and Prague that have offered Nuru never have the gel.
I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th-Feb 17th.
I am going to live in Makati area, city garden hotel.
I have SA subscription, but just want see tested and trialed girls rather than just experimenting as I am going to visit for a week only.
If you provide ID OR SA profile link, I can contact them and have chat with them.
Thanks.I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th to Feb 17th and am also interested in a sb. I've contacted a few girls from Reddit, but am unsure wether it's worth getting a SA membership.
You will find the location and phone number in Google Maps. To find the spa you go halfway into the driveway, enter the door on the right and go up to the 2nd floor. There are signs to guide you.
It is highly recommended to make an appointment since it gets busy, especially in the evenings.
They have 3 or 4 different massages on their menu, including a 4 hands. I mostly go for their signature massage, which is 80 minutes for 1300 pesos.
The locale is nothing to brag about. Several small-ish cubicles with a massage table and aircon, and a shower down the hall.
There is no nuru here, just oily backrub and a long HJ.
Mind telling me a little about Abacca? I've heard about it, but it doesn't have a website.
Do you have to make an appointment? Is it just standard massage and HJ?
What I'm really searching for is a proper Nuru massage (with the gel! It's the grail I've been searching for haha. All the massage places I've been to in Barca, Vienna and Prague that have offered Nuru never have the gel.
I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th-Feb 17th.
HunterMonger
01-05-24, 08:34
I am just wondering about the best anonymous way to pay regular SB. On the initial visit I paid her in cash, Now she is asking money on the monthly basis but I am away and not going to visit for few months.
At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.
All suggestions are welcome.
HunterMonger
01-05-24, 12:06
SA Manila can be hit and miss.
I had all set up before landing in Manila, even with a backup option.
Both the girls were amazing and confirmed with the video call but they changed their mind after I landed. I guess It also depends on the girls you chose.
BTW how did you find girls on reddit.
I'm staying in Makati Feb 4th to Feb 17th and am also interested in a sb. I've contacted a few girls from Reddit, but am unsure wether it's worth getting a SA membership.
Expat American
01-05-24, 16:34
I am just wondering about the best anonymous way to pay regular SB. On the initial visit I paid her in cash, Now she is asking money on the monthly basis but I am away and not going to visit for few months.
At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.
All suggestions are welcome.Why do you want to pay her while you are not there? Don't do it.
MrHappyKat
01-05-24, 23:54
I am just wondering about the best anonymous way to pay regular SB. On the initial visit I paid her in cash, Now she is asking money on the monthly basis but I am away and not going to visit for few months.
At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.
All suggestions are welcome.Like Expat American says, this is a bad idea. I can guarantee you she is fucking other men right now, as well as getting cash from other guys who are not in-country. Do you really want to supplement some other guy's pussy access?
I've been doing sugar dating for over 10 years. The single most important lesson I've learned in that time is no cash without pussy. Ever. Even if she tells you (and she will!) that you will get a freebie with you return, she will forget that promise the moment you land at the airport.
In the words of the Shark Tank's Mr. Wonderful: "I forbid you from paying her any money until you are balls deep!" (Ok, I may have paraphrased those words a bit. : p).
Why do you want to pay her while you are not there? Don't do it.I'll go one step further: why is he even talking to her while he is away? What purpose does that serve beyond more opportunities for her grandma to get sick and a few buffaloes to go lame.
My favourite comeback for requests for money while John is away is "I'll be back in XXX. Will you still need money then?
As an aside, I've never had a girl refuse to see me when I'm back in country because I didn't send her cash while I was away.
All "my" girls know that I'm generous while in country but that making contact while I'm home serves no purpose.
Enjoy. G.
Sorry if I offend anyone and I shouldn't generalise but Sugar Daddies seem to be the biggest simps on the planet and happy to be lead by the nose where ever girls want to take them usually at $100's a time.
In the words of the Shark Tank's Mr. Wonderful: "I forbid you from paying her any money until you are balls deep!" (Ok, I may have paraphrased those words a bit. : p).Here's a Shark Tank pitch for you: Happy Kat's Mongering Escrow Services.
You could provide anonymous payments for buffaloes' vet bills and younger sisters' college fees.
You could even offer executive packages confirming that Daddy's monthly stipends do actually result in services being delivered in full.
It's a win-win. You keep a skim off the top and get to fuck Princess on his dime too.
You could be quite busy if John, Frank and Geoff are all her one true love at the same time. I'm sure you are up to the task.
Let me know how you go. I'm happy to provide occasional contracting services when required. I'll plead guilty to being a side dick several times, having had to fuck out of frame when Daddy calls at the most inopportune time.
Cheers. G.
WestCoast1
01-06-24, 02:52
Like Expat American says, this is a bad idea. I can guarantee you she is fucking other men right now, as well as getting cash from other guys who are not in-country. Do you really want to supplement some other guy's pussy access?Not to jump into the question of the stupidity of pre-paying from out-of-towners. But as SB's are simply escorts con simps, isn't it understood by everyone that they are with multiple guys?
Sorry if I offend anyone and I shouldn't generalise but Sugar Daddies seem to be the biggest simps on the planet and happy to be lead by the nose where ever girls want to take them usually at $100's a time.I find two kinds of SD's:
1) Some SD's are simps, who will do anything to get (and stay) near a young beauty. No level of groveling is too low. Simps may or may not be SD's.
2) Richer fellas for whom money is not an issue, and does not keep them up at night if they lose it. For example, he is about to overnight with a new SB for $8,000 USD. During the evening she unfortunately gets her mens. Many gents might be upset with that (especially #1 above), but not our guy. He's fine having a nice dinner with her, some wine, and a movie maybe. Then to the hotel to sleep with nearly naked young beauty, and turn her loose in the morning with her $8 K prize. He can easily book a $1,000 girl for a ST the same day. He will look forward to bagging the $8 k girl later, to possibly include sending her flowers and chocolates with a note telling her to feel better and contact him soon for a repeat. No groveling required.
A question for the SB gents. I thought the idea behind SB is that SD's routinely provide the occasional between-meetups some flowers, money for nice clothes, or other nice items for the girl. Its almost like dating from afar, showing up in her town for occasional weekends, or alternately flying her into your town for trysts. I know two SB's in my country who describe it exactly as that. They have multiple 'clients' who pay them for their time a few days here and there, and the various clients provide other between-meet items such as money for rent, clothes, an evening out with her friends, paying utility bills, and so on. I get the feeling that those ladies would drop quickly any client who stopped giving money for her between-meetup needs.
Given this, I can understand HM's desire to send money while he is away; might not his SB in Phils legitimately expect it? If not, is she a SB, or simply an escort?
WestCoast1
01-06-24, 02:58
At the same time I am not happy to disclose my real name and bank account details to her. I am aware grab and gcash but I am not sure about the information shared to her.
All suggestions are welcome.HM we have seen this issue before. There is not really a good way to send money internationally to someone without disclosing your personal info. Many governments don't allow it as they won't know who is sending money to terrorists. Remit services, and general transfer services (ie, Venmo or such) would require bank account info or full name info.
Another way to do it would be to remit the money in Phils to someone you trust, who would then GC or remit the money to your SB for you.
NRandom940
01-06-24, 03:01
I have one night layover, staying in a hotel in Makati. What is your opinion on the best place if I want to bring one (maybe two) girls back to my hotel for the whole night?
HunterMonger
01-06-24, 06:55
Thank you Westcoat1, Goffering, MrHC, them.
I find SA is bit tricky and its really difficult to find a SB whom you would love to spend time and have intimacy. Most of the girls are into Mechanical arrangements / PPM which I don't like at all.
Luckily, I found a lovely college girl who is 10/10 on looks and figure and want to be my GF forever but at the same time she needs money too. So keep insisting on sending some money till the time I visit her next time. Sometime for food, sometime for mother's health.
I know I will be sending money for nothing in return but hope all experienced SDs can understand how it is difficult and tiresome to find quality girl for the next time. I am active on SA for sometime only, all guidance and suggestions are appreciated from all senior members.
HM we have seen this issue before. There is not really a good way to send money internationally to someone without disclosing your personal info. Many governments don't allow it as they won't know who is sending money to terrorists. Remit services, and general transfer services (ie, Venmo or such) would require bank account info or full name info.
Another way to do it would be to remit the money in Phils to someone you trust, who would then GC or remit the money to your SB for you.
WestCoast1
01-06-24, 07:07
Prices in Euros, roughly the same rate as USD:
I can add some input to this topic as I've been to a couple of FKKs in the past year and researched a few in Frankfurt.
Germany and more specifically Frankfurt are by far the best destination for FKKs still. FKK Sharks is regarded as the best. Prices have gone up with standard half hour service (no extras) being 70 or even more. Extras like BBBJ cost 50. I'm not familiar with any club in Europe offering BBFS. Club entrance fees have also gone up to around 95, think it is less at Sharks and the Frankfurt clubs.
The clubs I went to were Goldentime in Vienna and Sauna Club Prague. Goldentime in Vienna was great, although a little pricey with 30 minutes standard service starting at 100. I do love having drinks in a club surrounded by gorgeous naked women though, and would recommend that everyone here tries this experience at least once. It's a shame that quality of most clubs has gone downhill, as mentioned above there is a significant amount of Romanians in these clubs whose service is lacklustre. That's why selecting a good girl is key and not being pressured by the first girl who flirts with you. I remember walking into GT and straight away two Moldovan girls grabbing my arm and starting some heavy persuasion.
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My patience was rewarded at GT as I had an amazing time with a pale, auburn haired Hungarian who had an amazing natural body. She gave me an awesome GFE for 200.Informative comparative post-covid post. I believe previous reports were of pre-covid. I contacted two non-euro mates who frequented the FKK's before covid. They also report to me that the girls started going condom before covid. The FKK's appear to be a god-send for Euros in the area who can get there on small coin, even at the higher recent prices reported by RPR. However, a scroll thru other Euro countries shows difficulties for mongers to find singular destinations like FKK clubs or asian gogo bars (or FL places), hunting down escort agencies, fake pictures, high prices (see my previous report quoting LKS2021, post #19932 in this thread).
For about $200 (100 entrance fee + 100 to the girl) you can enter an FKK and have 1 girl (and cross-euro beauties, even if its a short 30 minutes), then stay and have more girls in the same day for another $100. That same $300 for 2 FKK girls (1 hour total) can get you 1 girl in the US for an hour (covered only), but not necessarily a beauty (plan $500). For those outside the euro-zone, adding in flights / hotels makes asia look better (the Filipina goes to *your* place, its uncovered; AC = $75 for up to LT, or easily ST of several hours; Burgos = $200 for LT at your place; FL = $50-$100 for several hours or LT at your place). Asian girls also are *a bit more* akin to allowing pics: While there are more than 19,000 pics in the Phils PG, there are 139 PG pics for Germany, 138 for France, and 220 for the UK.
They are just different animals. Good work Rprogta.
Expat American
01-06-24, 08:41
A question for the SB gents. I thought the idea behind SB is that SD's routinely provide the occasional between-meetups some flowers, money for nice clothes, or other nice items for the girl. Its almost like dating from afar, showing up in her town for occasional weekends, or alternately flying her into your town for trysts. I know two SB's in my country who describe it exactly as that. They have multiple 'clients' who pay them for their time a few days here and there, and the various clients provide other between-meet items such as money for rent, clothes, an evening out with her friends, paying utility bills, and so on. I get the feeling that those ladies would drop quickly any client who stopped giving money for her between-meetup needs.
Given this, I can understand HM's desire to send money while he is away; might not his SB in Phils legitimately expect it? If not, is she a SB, or simply an escort?SB is supposed to be something between a mistress and an escort. A mistress is supposed to be exclusive to you, available whenever you want and in return you support her almost completely. It is an open ended relationship with no fixed end date. A SB may not be exclusive (but can) and is usually a Short term contract. SB will spend more time with you and companionship is part of the expectations along with sex. We all know what escorts are.
However, after the advent of sites like SA, SB are much closer to escort than mistress. Hardly any are exclusive and many do PPM which is just another word for hooking. Years ago when I was sugaring there were genuine non pro girls who needed some financial help and acted as casual girlfriends on demand. That I think has gone the way of the 500 P LT.
Houston Player
01-06-24, 10:41
I have one night layover, staying in a hotel in Makati. What is your opinion on the best place if I want to bring one (maybe two) girls back to my hotel for the whole night?IMHO Lips is the best if you're also looking for the most attractive girls. They also have the most to choose from, which also helps with selection. However most any bar in the Burgos area can meet your needs on any given night.
HunterMonger
01-06-24, 11:37
Indeed, SA has become an escort site. Even some non pro girls are into PPM only and do not want any exclusive relation as this might bring down their monthly allowances from different Sds. Bygone are the days when mistresses were exclusive to one man, now almost every girl thinks its their right to see many men despite any man offering an exclusive relationship.
I think my sb is descent girl and she is just into me but I can see she is active on SA nearly everyday. That scares me. Even after spending good money I don't think that satisfies her monetary need.
SB is supposed to be something between a mistress and an escort. A mistress is supposed to be exclusive to you, available whenever you want and in return you support her almost completely. It is an open ended relationship with no fixed end date. A SB may not be exclusive (but can) and is usually a Short term contract. SB will spend more time with you and companionship is part of the expectations along with sex. We all know what escorts are.
However, after the advent of sites like SA, SB are much closer to escort than mistress. Hardly any are exclusive and many do PPM which is just another word for hooking. Years ago when I was sugaring there were genuine non pro girls who needed some financial help and acted as casual girlfriends on demand. That I think has gone the way of the 500 P LT.
WestCoast1
01-06-24, 12:03
IMHO Lips is the best if you're also looking for the most attractive girls. They also have the most to choose from, which also helps with selection. However most any bar in the Burgos area can meet your needs on any given night.Lips is also my fav. Next door is Maison bar, often with 60-100 girls. A short 1-2 minute walk up Burgos street is V-8 bar, smaller selection but attractive girls. Cost for any of these bars is about $200 all-in for the night (that pays the barfine, drinks in the bar, and the girl's tip in the morning). Please RTTF thru the Makati thread.
Member #4794
01-06-24, 12:21
Now she is asking money on the monthly basis...
If you are a fan of overpaying, paying for nothing / simping has to get your juices flowing.
Member #4794
01-06-24, 12:40
Most of the girls are into Mechanical arrangements / PPM which I don't like at all.
Not in the philippines, MOST if not all of the girls I have ever met in the Philippines offer closeness and intimacy, this IS the selling point for the philippines as a whole.
The whole reason why I hang out in the barangays is I have girls on retainer for the price of what pinays calls "chicheria" or their utang at the local sarisari store, I clear that utang (loan) and they give me sex this utang can be almost nothing. You not having tried to find girls in the province of which wouldn't put themselves on SA to begin with you have no idea the world of GFE that the philippines has to offer and just figure that massively over paying and paying on a monthly basis for these low quality ridden hard women is the way to go. For any newbies this method is not the way to go for the "philippines".
Sorry if I offend anyone and I shouldn't generalise but Sugar Daddies seem to be the biggest simps on the planet and happy to be lead by the nose where ever girls want to take them usually at $100's a time.I agree they seem to be proud of themselves and thin SD is somehow a badge of honor not understanding that mongers have been doing this without that site for decades and for the most part much more profitable. But I mean what they are doing is not the way to go about doing this. Actually going to the provence and building an actual network of girls is much more fruitful and why philippines mongers keep coming back over the years. What these guys do is take some kinda of Western construct and use that and get ripped off VS adapting to where this kind of dating came from they are just lead astray imo.
In the big scheme of things i guess this means my barangay girls are safe for another decade since these guys don't want any real quality. tbh all you can do is offer a better way and help but its up to them to put that effort in.
WestCoast1
01-06-24, 13:06
The whole reason why I hang out in the barangays is I have girls on retainer for the price of what philipplipinas calls "chicheria" or their utang at the local sarisari store, I clear that utang (loan) and they give me sex this utang can be almost nothing. You not having tried to find girls in the province of which wouldn't put themselves on SA to begin with you have no idea the world of GFE that the philippines has to offer and just figure that massively over paying and paying on a monthly basis for these low quality ridden hard women is the way to go. For any newbies this method is not the way to go for the "philippines".
Actually going to the provence and building an actual network of girls is much more fruitful and why philippines mongers keep coming back over the years.
In the big scheme of things i guess this means my barangay girls are safe for another decade since these guys don't want any real quality. tbh all you can do is offer a better way and help but its up to them to put that effort in.I too have built up the provincial stable. However its not really feasible for the 2-week warrior. Leave them to the SB's and gogo bars. Its more provincial GFE poon for you and me.
Thank you Westcoat1, Goffering, MrHC, them.
I find SA is bit tricky and its really difficult to find a SB whom you would love to spend time and have intimacy. Most of the girls are into Mechanical arrangements / PPM which I don't like at all.
Luckily, I found a lovely college girl who is 10/10 on looks and figure and want to be my GF forever but at the same time she needs money too. So keep insisting on sending some money till the time I visit her next time. Sometime for food, sometime for mother's health.
I know I will be sending money for nothing in return but hope all experienced SDs can understand how it is difficult and tiresome to find quality girl for the next time. I am active on SA for sometime only, all guidance and suggestions are appreciated from all senior members.A couple of points:
Montana Manager's point is correct in that hookers "should" be mechanical and purely commercial but, in the Philippines, this isn't always the case. I've lost track of the number of professional girls I've had a great time with and been happy to keep for weeks at a time.
With respect, I can guarantee that the SB is telling the same stories to other guys and has several sponsors on the line at the same time.
It's your money and you are free to spend it any way you see fit. However, you seem concerned about loosing her if you do not maintain progress payments while you are back home. This has literally never happened to me. Girls have always been happy to see me when I've popped up in town, dick in one hand and cash in the other, despite having not chatted / paid them in my absence.
You didn't mention her allowance expectations but if you are still concerned, then calculate the total that you will pay over the X months you are away. How popular do you think you will be if you arrive and offer her a fraction of this amount for a night / week's fun?
Enjoy. G.
Thank you Westcoat1, Goffering, MrHC, them.
I find SA is bit tricky and its really difficult to find a SB whom you would love to spend time and have intimacy. Most of the girls are into Mechanical arrangements / PPM which I don't like at all.
Luckily, I found a lovely college girl who is 10/10 on looks and figure and want to be my GF forever but at the same time she needs money too. So keep insisting on sending some money till the time I visit her next time. Sometime for food, sometime for mother's health.
I know I will be sending money for nothing in return but hope all experienced SDs can understand how it is difficult and tiresome to find quality girl for the next time. I am active on SA for sometime only, all guidance and suggestions are appreciated from all senior members.Never give money to a ho unless you are getting something sex related in exchange. Only idiots send money to " keep her exclusive ". Yea right. She will be a nun while you're gone.
WestCoast1
01-06-24, 17:03
AGirls have always been happy to see me when I've popped up in town, dick in one hand and cash in the other, despite having not chatted / paid them in my absence.
As long as we have ISG and Goferring, romance will never be dead.
NRandom940
01-06-24, 17:33
IMHO Lips is the best if you're also looking for the most attractive girls. They also have the most to choose from, which also helps with selection. However most any bar in the Burgos area can meet your needs on any given night.Thanks. I'll go to Lips. I'll let you know how it goes.
A couple of points:
Montana Manager's point is correct in that hookers "should" be mechanical and purely commercial but, in the Philippines, this isn't always the case. I've lost track of the number of professional girls I've had a great time with and been happy to keep for weeks at a time.
With respect, I can guarantee that the SB is telling the same stories to other guys and has several sponsors on the line at the same time.
It's your money and you are free to spend it any way you see fit. However, you seem concerned about loosing her if you do not maintain progress payments while you are back home. This has literally never happened to me. Girls have always been happy to see me when I've popped up in town, dick in one hand and cash in the other, despite having not chatted / paid them in my absence.
You didn't mention her allowance expectations but if you are still concerned, then calculate the total that you will pay over the X months you are away. How popular do you think you will be if you arrive and offer her a fraction of this amount for a night / week's fun?
Enjoy. G.HOOK BAIT SINK HER Only a fool believes, the wise man has the power but do agree that damn pussy does too.
As long as we have ISG and Goferring, romance will never be dead.What can I say? I'm a classy guy.
Hard to believe that western women won't fuck me and I have to resort to impoverished and illiterate village girls, isn't it? 😁.
Cheers. G.
WestCoast1
01-07-24, 02:59
What can I say? I'm a classy guy.Hahaha. Ahem. AHEM. Didn't you recently describe deep-throating and face-bangin' them Cebuanas?
Hard to believe that western women won't fuck me and I have to resort to impoverished and illiterate village girls, isn't it? 😁.The stories I could tell about western women's attitudes and entitlement*.
dick in one hand By chance do you work for the NSA? Have you been peering thru my laptop cam at me while intercepting my fav porn website?
* Apology. I should say 'some western women'. In fairness I have also been with all-around good-girl western ladies who never exhibited entitlement.
Hahaha. Ahem. AHEM. Didn't you recently describe deep-throating and face-bangin' them Cebuanas?
The stories I could tell about western women's attitudes and entitlement*.Well, that was their fault, not mine. We were discussing the finer points of Quantum Mechanics and then they forced them selves upon me. I tried to run but was totally defenseless.
I'll have to take your word on that. I'm 30 years White Trash clean and sober.
Stay strong!!
G.
MrHappyKat
01-08-24, 04:50
Looks like LA Cafe has a new name: Midnight Haven.
According to this YT vid: https://youtu.be/fxNoJeYtK-8?si=eHP5V2Ro1pJ1uURk&t=358.
But from what I see in the video, no changes inside. Yet.
I'll be there in mid-March for a day after spending almost a month in Angeles and I'm planning on pulling a FL the night before I fly home. Hopefully, that will make a nice nightcap report to my vacation.
I was surprised to find out that prostitution was illegal in The Philippines. Has anyone had any trouble with the police over this?
SA Manila can be hit and miss.
I had all set up before landing in Manila, even with a backup option.
Both the girls were amazing and confirmed with the video call but they changed their mind after I landed. I guess It also depends on the girls you chose.
BTW how did you find girls on reddit.Yeah this is why I won't get a SA membership. There is no guarantee and can just be a waste of money.
To find girls on Reddit I did a few different things. Firstly I just searched for 'Manila sd' and messaged the accounts who had been looking in the past year. Secondly I went on the Philippines nsfw subreddits and messaged girls posting pics there. There is also a subreddit for girls advertising their services or 'walks' as they are called. I also messaged these girls.
I found about 4 or 5 potential girls from my search. Some girls mention in their Reddit bios if they just sell content and don't meet, so I didn't waste my time with them. Some girls suggest they would be able to book (but only after you subscribe to their nsfw channel), so I avoided them.
Of the girls I've narrowed down I have agreed terms and have been chatting to two very regularly. One girl is new to sugaring but is very eager and has sent me nudes and voice notes whenever I've asked. She also hasn't asked for any money yet, so I think she could be the one.
Overall the search would definitely be quicker and more productive on SA. But I think the price of membership for what the offer is extortionate. It's also been quiet at work, so this is something fun to do at my desk haha. I also enjoy the messaging and seeing if a girl is interested.
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.
She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.
Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.
We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.
So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.
I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.
Locamotive
01-09-24, 23:20
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.
She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.
Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.
We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.
So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.
I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.You are a good man Aml3740,if Karma is real you should be sitting pretty.
Locamotive
01-10-24, 00:12
A couple of points:
Montana Manager's point is correct in that hookers "should" be mechanical and purely commercial but, in the Philippines, this isn't always the case. I've lost track of the number of professional girls I've had a great time with and been happy to keep for weeks at a time.
With respect, I can guarantee that the SB is telling the same stories to other guys and has several sponsors on the line at the same time.
It's your money and you are free to spend it any way you see fit. However, you seem concerned about loosing her if you do not maintain progress payments while you are back home. This has literally never happened to me. Girls have always been happy to see me when I've popped up in town, dick in one hand and cash in the other, despite having not chatted / paid them in my absence.
You didn't mention her allowance expectations but if you are still concerned, then calculate the total that you will pay over the X months you are away. How popular do you think you will be if you arrive and offer her a fraction of this amount for a night / week's fun?
Enjoy. G.I don't think in the truest sense of the word Filipina's don't consider themselves hookers or prostitutes'. As in bars they flirt with you and if they like you they go. Not that it doesn't happened but I've not heard of someone walking in point at a girl and says lets go, I'm ready to fuck. Its not a working girl house and I'm sure 99% of the time the girl would give you a eat shit look and say no. I think they kid themselves in pretending you are a guy they just liked in a bar and go like a one night stand, but they get paid. Is that prostitution, well yes but so is a girlfriend at home who wants 500 dollar shoes but they don't look at it that way either. What they are best at is you are their long lost love who is back in town. Their GFE is some of the best I've experienced, especially if she is a regular. But if you have regulars so does she. The next regular guy in her list will get the same treatment as you, the love of her life. Funny in a bar several years ago chatting with a guy from Australia and he was disappointed a regular of his was out sick. Got a photo, hehehe yeah she was sick alright in my room from too much drinking the night before. I assured him in a day or two she will be back I'm sure. He said yeah, Ill just call another regular I know or maybe grab a new one. Did I confront her about this later, nah no point as it is what it is. Just be cautious getting too attached to these girls, wife or girlfriend material they are not.
HunterMonger
01-10-24, 00:22
Excellent FR! Thanks for sharing.
I visited there nearly 8 months ago, first time, my expectation was to meet a genuine non pro girl and total GFE.
Fortunately I found the one on SA, she was young, amazingly beautiful, non pro girl. Experience was mostly like a GF BF during my stay in Manila, but Once I left she kept asking for money which I could not resist much as she sounded.
Always had fear of loosing her and not meeting her again in future. Some time I also felt what senior members has said before that she might be seeing many men while I am away. I also feel that ph sa girls have many sad stories to tell and financials needs.
Anyways, After reading your FR I feel like you had much better experience than what I had. I think that SA girl can be good but most of them are glorified escorts only, some of them are non pro but all have a P**sy power to utilize you emotionally. Can't agree more that Ph girls gives grt GFE to the point sometime its enough to fool SD emotionally.
Don't know how to deal with my girl, she is amazing but giving her money every now and then is hard particularly when I don't get much in return and I am away. And I can see she is active on SA everyday.
I am glad that you found the right match. Happy mongering.
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.
She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.
Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.
We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.
So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.
I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.
HunterMonger
01-10-24, 05:42
Excellent FR! Thanks for sharing.
I visited Manila last year for the first time, my expectation was to meet a genuine non pro girl and total GFE.
Fortunately I found the one on SA, she was young, amazingly beautiful, non pro girl. Experience was mostly like a GF BF during my stay in Manila, but Once I left she kept asking for money which I could not resist much as she sounded.
Always had a fear of loosing her and not meeting her again in future. Some time I also felt what senior members has said before that she might be seeing many men while I am away. I also feel that ph sa girls have many sad stories to tell and financials needs.
Anyways, After reading your FR I feel like you had much better experience than what I had. I think that SA girl can be good but most of them are glorified escorts only, some of them are non pro but all have a P**sy power to utilize you emotionally. Can't agree more that Ph girls gives grt GFE to the point sometime its enough to fool SD emotionally.
Don't know how to deal with my girl, she is amazing but giving her money every now and then is hard particularly when I don't get much in return and I am away. And I can see she is active on SA everyday.
I am glad that you found the right match. Happy mongering.
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.
She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.
Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.
We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.
So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.
I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed..Price per pound was very decent. That is one measurement.
GFE is priceless! Best measurement.
I don't think in the truest sense of the word Filipina's don't consider themselves hookers or prostitutes'. As in bars they flirt with you and if they like you they go. Not that it doesn't happened but I've not heard of someone walking in point at a girl and says lets go, I'm ready to fuck....Totally true. I've had countless girls who didn't consider themselves hookers and would object to any sex for money requests. However, they were forever ready to accept "taxi fares" or "go buy that nice dress" funds.
I have a friend who was a cop and he often discussed guys that would immediately go in angry, kicking down doors. He always said that if you start angry, then you can never scale it back to a calm conversation. Girls are the same. Lots will be offended by direct requests for $100 short times and end the discussion but I've had many others who, when asked to meet, professed to be "too tired to meet for coffee. How about we just relax in your room?
Enjoy. G.
I have a layover In MNL in about 3 weeks. Thanks for any replies. Whatever happened to the casas? Any intel please PM. Thanks.
Never in Manila before, I will arrive on 16 January, first days hosted in Makati, anyone who wants to share a beer (and notes) just MP me.
MohdirFan82
01-11-24, 20:45
How long is your layover?
I have a layover In MNL in about 3 weeks. Thanks for any replies. Whatever happened to the casas? Any intel please PM. Thanks.
Great report man, and I'm glad you had fun. I've been in the Philippines about 3 years now living and yes, there are very greedy girls here and you find them in the regular places (go go bars in Poblacion, KTV bars) but if you find a "normal" girl on a dating app, in the province, or at the mall, you will experience the most loving, caring, clingy (LOL), GFE experience you've ever had. And these girls, despite being a very catholic country and them being very inexperienced, are VERY horny and love to be adventurous in bed.
For example, I get an in-home massage 1-2 times a week. I've become friendly with the girl who manages the scheduling. Whenever I text for a massage, she's all "Hello, sir! Good to hear from you again". One of the girls she sent over is super cute so I flirt and we hit it off and after the massage we fuck. She's come back 2 more times for a massage and a fuck. The scheduling girl starts teasing me whenever I text that I'm looking for a massage and asks if I want to see "my girlfriend" again. She tells me that her masseuse has advised all the massage girls that I'm a great fuck. I ask the manager if she's jealous and she says "a little". So I just started flirting with the manager haha and she sends me some photos. VERY CUTE I ask her why she doesn't come over and massage me, and she tells me she's scared because I'm a foreigner and she might not be able to control herself when she massages me, especially after one of her employees has described me as good in bed. I dig deeper, and she has a boyfriend (Filipino), he's the only guy she's dated, and the only guy she's had sex with. But she's VERY curious to be with a foreigner. I convince her to come over and massage me, and she agrees to come over next weekend. Almost immediately after she agrees she asks if I plan to fuck her, and I tell her yes. She's giggly and excited and tells me she can't wait to experience the big American dick haha.
I've had dozens of experiences like this with girls working at Starbucks and girls walking in the mall who just catch my eye. The Philippines is a great place!
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.
She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.
Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.
We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.
So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.
I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.
Excellent FR. Amazing experience. This is what one dreams off. Any tips on your journey. My tries have generally yielded only with girls selling videos or photos. Got to talk some call centre girls and the pattern is the same. Though I live in US, I have a brown skin which makes it a bit more problematic.
Cheers.
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
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I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.
I met one of the girls on pinalove (she's the one with the hair down), then took the chat over to whatsapp.
She is 18, with one kid. I offered her PHP2k for s/t, she asked for PHP3.5k but I declined and told her my budget was PHP2k and she agreed to this right away.
I mentioned that I was looking for a threesome and asked her if she had a friend/sister/cousin/neighbour who could come along and told her I would also give her friend the same amount. She sent me her friend's pic, aged 20 also with one kid, and we set up a meet for this afternoon.
She lives in Tondo, and I asked if she could recommend a hotel. She gave me the name of a hotel near Chinatown and I checked it out on googlemaps, and we met there. The hotel offered rooms at PHP400 for 3 hours, but this was only for 2 occupants, I was charged an additional PHP300 for the second girl. It was a budget/economy hotel, but the rooms were decently furnished, very clean and with a newish a/c unit.
How long is your layover?One night but I go there often. I live on one of the central islands. Do you have casa info? If so please PM me.
Lips is also my fav. Next door is Maison bar, often with 60-100 girls. A short 1-2 minute walk up Burgos street is V-8 bar, smaller selection but attractive girls. Cost for any of these bars is about $200 all-in for the night (that pays the barfine, drinks in the bar, and the girl's tip in the morning). Please RTTF thru the Makati thread.On my last trip, I didn't go into Lips but can vouch for V-8 where I took out a super sexy Caloocan girl. Also, Plan be is back rounding into shape since Mommie Emmie returned.
I enjoyed your tale of interacting with the massage scheduler and her getting excited to experience your skills.
How did it play out? Hopefully every bit as great as you anticipated!
For example, I get an in-home massage 1-2 times a week. I've become friendly with the girl who manages the scheduling. Whenever I text for a massage, she's all "Hello, sir! Good to hear from you again". One of the girls she sent over is super cute so I flirt and we hit it off and after the massage we fuck. She's come back 2 more times for a massage and a fuck. The scheduling girl starts teasing me whenever I text that I'm looking for a massage and asks if I want to see "my girlfriend" again. She tells me that her masseuse has advised all the massage girls that I'm a great fuck. I ask the manager if she's jealous and she says "a little". So I just started flirting with the manager haha and she sends me some photos. VERY CUTE I ask her why she doesn't come over and massage me, and she tells me she's scared because I'm a foreigner and she might not be able to control herself when she massages me, especially after one of her employees has described me as good in bed. I dig deeper, and she has a boyfriend (Filipino), he's the only guy she's dated, and the only guy she's had sex with. But she's VERY curious to be with a foreigner. I convince her to come over and massage me, and she agrees to come over next weekend. Almost immediately after she agrees she asks if I plan to fuck her, and I tell her yes.
2 part trip report. Both long, so buckle up:
Day 1, all day Friday and all night January 12th, 2024 - Makati, Manila, Philippines.
So, I arrived from Doha around 9 and got to my cheap hotel. Leez Inn Makati around 10 AM. Check in not possible till 2 PM, but they let me leave my bag and so I left to walk the P Burgos Street area to get myself oriented, grab a drink and maybe some food for lunch, then return and check in.
Walked down the street, crossing Kalayaan and then further down past Cafe Cubana, all the way to the other main road, Makati, where Maison and Lips, etc. Are located. Made a loop around the back side, back up toward Kalayaan and back toward Makati again at the other end. After figuring out where the primary bars are, decided to go to Cafe Cubana for a mojito and to sit and watch the street action, which admittedly was pretty tame on a Friday afternoon. Not for long!
After drinking one mojito and chatting to an American guy, 2 girls in business attire walked up and he started chatting them up, I did as well, then they sat to order drinks and food. I decided to cross the road and go to the little corner bar in the pink building, next to Argos on Google Maps, but for which I can't recall the name. Small, very cute waitress there, she was great to stare at while drinking an admittedly poor mojito compared to the one at Cafe Cubana. Did another loop, then came back to Cubana.
While ordering another mojito, the 2 girls from earlier started working me over with their sales tactics, showing me some impressive tongue wagging, grabbing my junk through my shorts, kissing me, etc. And finally asked when I had to check in. I said, Now and they said, ok, we'll go with you. Sure why not!?
Get to the hotel, the darker skinned one, probably 30 ish, showers first, comes to the bed and we just start making out. She provides some pretty impressive oral action, I reciprocate, and finally she puts the condom on and gets on top. Rides me every which way, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, side by side, etc. And then I say, time to fuck your friend! So #1 gets off, 2nd girl comes over, freshly showered, and says, I'm at the end of my period, so there might be some blood. I say I don't care, let's get it on. Condom on, she slowly gets on top, and then grinds for all she's worth. Finally, after a lot of riding, she says she needs to stop to check herself and shockingly, no rusty nail, but she still wanted to be done. So all good, I wash a little bit, new condom on, girl #1 gets back on top and we go through all the positions until I finish. They say they're going to leave me alone for a few hours, but will return around 8:30-9 PM and we can go from there.
Sure, why not!?
At this point, I've been in the Philippines for about 6 hours, already bagged 2 early 30's MILF types, super nice bodies, great tits, long nipples on the 2nd girl, which I love. All good!
8:30-9 PM, they show back up, go through an elaborate changing / getting ready ritual, with new dresses, a ton of makeup, and when we leave, they look and smell fantastic. Girl #1 had been WhatsApping with the guy from earlier at Cubana and we go back there to find him finishing his food. We were going to join him inside, but the band started up and it was loud. We move outside, not street level, but at the tables behind the railing and have a drink, the girls order food, and we chat for a bit. He realizes that they're trying to work us into going to a wine bar, where there will be a LOT of guys and few girls, and also says, "Look, you don't want to be with the same girls you already were with when you only have about 10 hours left in Manila! You need to get out, see the clubs, barfine a girl, and have a great 10 hours. ".
True, true.
Ok, tell the 2 MILFs that we're bailing out, head down the hill and stop in Maison. It's. OK. Not a huge selection, not too much going on, it was just ok.
Lips. Better, still not jumping. Next went to someplace that also wasn't too spectacular and finally he recalls that the girls said, "Don't go to Kojax, it's terrible. " Well if it's bad for them, that means good for guys, right? We're going to find out!
Kojax is an interesting club, lots of girls on stage, in semi-formal looking black / white one piece bathing suit looking outfits. The mama asks if there are any we'the like to have join us, and after eyeballing the ample selection of cute girls, he picks a dyed straight brown hair young thing that looked like she could be any old American high school senior and I picked a girl with a beautiful feathered hairstyle like straight out of 1979, just a bit darker skin.
They sit with us, order a couple of drinks and it's. Uncertain. The airl he's with seems a bit nervous, the girl sitting with me is not talkative at all, which was quite a change from earlier in the day with the MILFs. I'm debating on pulling the plug when I decide to just reach over and start fondling my girl's tits. This, she likes! She starts grinning, notices that I'm getting hard. I pull shorts leg open so she can put her hand up it and starts fondling my cock and is pleased when there's no underwear in the way. This goes on for a while and finally the other guy is like, "Why don't we barfine these girls, take them to play pool, get some drinks, hit up the other clubs, and maybe go to BGC or something to a club there?
Sure, why not!?
We do all of that. Hit a few clubs, of which Fyre was a hit, another one with a pool table where we played a couple of games, then another one that had 2 levels, which I forget the name of, where the girls on the 2nd level were basically on balconies looking down on us. That club had a girl who worked at the club, I think, who came by and was dancing provocatively, while also spilling my beer on my shoe, since she was drunk and stumbled into the table. This is all the while I've got my girl's dress pulled up over her ass, panties down, and have her riding my bare dick up her ass crack lap dance style for a good 20 minutes. The bar girl employee really enjoyed that and seemed about ready to pounce on my dick too, when my buddy says, "hey, let's go to BGC and see what's up". Ok, sure.
Grab a grab to BGC, go into a nice club, get 2 drinks per the 4 of us for $6 k, get a table near the back and just watch the crowd go crazy to the music. This place was a good time, sad I can't remember the name of it. The girls said they were hungry, so my acquaintance friend orders them some fried calamari, which was surprisingly good, plus some shrimp, also very good.
We finish up eating and our drinks, get a grab and head back to center of Makati P Burgos Street. We get out, he and his girl go one way, we go the other to my hotel. I'm groping the living daylights out of her on the way there, and when we get to the room am rock hard. Tell her, don't bother taking a full shower, just rinse your pussy and let's get to it. She obliges and we make out, I finger her, eat her out for a bit, suck her beautiful tittles, she blows me and finally we're both ready to fuck. I tell her, no condom. She hesitates, but then says, sure $9 k, Iaugh and say $4 k, she says $8 and we end up at $6 k. She gets on top, rides me while facing me, then I give her some good doggie pounding, then she gets back on top reverse cowgirl for a good 20-25 minutes with just excellent moaning, groaning, heavy breathing, etc. And absolutely zero talking, which was just how I like it. She finally tells me that I am seriously going just far, far too long and she has to get back to Kojax to get her stuff before they close. I ask what time and she says 5 AM. It's like 4:15 AM, so I tell her, give me 10-15 more minutes or so. She grins, obliges, and we both have a spectacular finish. She's probably acting, but I just don't care. She's beautiful, probably 23, fantastic body, teeth, smile, tits, ass, legs, the whole thing, and French kissing me half the time like we were long lost lovers. Fantastic experience.
I leave the hotel with her, she's back in the little black cocktail dress, and we go across the street to 7-11 where I withdraw $10 k, give her $7 k, so a $1 k tip on our original agreed amount, which I was fully happy with. Walked her Kojax, she retrieved her bag, got on a motorcycle taxi, gave me a beautiful goodbye kiss and I walked back to the hotel to sleep for an hour or so before I headed to the airport for my flight to a small island where I was attending a wedding in 2 days.
All in all, I think I dropped $4 k each on the 2 MILFs in the afternoon, $3. 5 k to barfine the girl (my buddy talked the mama down, since were taking 2 out) and then $7 k to my overnight sweetie. So, about $20 k all in, plus food, drinks, grab ride, etc. Maybe a little more, but I don't recall. My new friend didn't drink, so that kept my drink costs down, since I was also going with mineral water or sparkling water and / or Red Bulls around midnight. Probably tops $25 k, which was completely reasonable for an all night out on the town, plus the afternoon delight with the 2 MILFs.
To quote Borat, "GREAT SUCCESS! For day 1 in Manila.
Day 2, Thursday night January 18th, 2024 - Makati, Manila, Philippines.
After such a great day 1 / night 1 in Manila, I was excited to get back the following Thursday night after a few days attending a wedding and just relaxing on one of the smaller southern islands. Since I knew the likelihood of me ever returning to the Philippines anytime soon was highly, highly unlikely (screw that long ass flight from the US! I wanted to go out with a banger. Like serious, full-on party like a rock star banger of an evening.
Man, did I ever.
Got to City Garden Inn about 9:30 PM, showered, shaved, brushed teeth, made myself feel like a whole $3 dollars. Even put on a spritz of cologne, just because.
Walked down the hill all the way, past a jam packed Cafe Cubana, to Lips. This time, the selection and activity was a LOT better, which was odd, because the previous visit was a Friday night, which I expected would have a been a better night.
Mama is a lady named Neehan, which she demonstrates to me my pointing to her knee and saying "Nee" then to her hand saying "hand". Funny. I ask if I can buy her a drink, she says yes, vodka soda and then asks, what about the girls? How much? I honestly don't remember, but it ended up being something like $3500 for the 10 girls' drinks, since she "gave me a discount". Ok, if you say so. The girls are enjoying themselves, giving me lap dances, cheersing our drinks, rubbing my cock through my shorts, giving me tongue kisses (the young half Chinese, half Filipina girl named Lucky was particularly nice to swap tongue action with). To my surprise there was a girl who looked 100% African American, but was Afro Filipina, nice big round ass, a great place for me to bury my cock while she was grinding me.
The drinks are good, the times are good, so I get another round, the girls let out a big cheer and that's fun. More dances, more cock play, more tongue kissing and finally I say, "I have to go" Girls are sad, with a long chorus of AWWWWWWWW, especially the half Chinese girl who wants me to barfine her and has been whispering in my ear everything she'll do to me for initially $6 k, then drops to $5 k and finally to $4 k. I am SERIOUSLY tempted, but want to see what else is up on P Burgos, so I say, "I'll be back. ".
Walk down the street to Dimples, which my buddy from a week prior said he'the recently had a good night in. I walk in and am immediately accosted by the mama and like 3-5 girls. Unlike the girls in Lips, these girls are AGGRESSIVE!! They unzip my shorts, pull my cock out, start playing with it, one girl starts sucking it off and on, the others are laughing and jamming their tongues in my mouth and I decide, yeah, another round of drinks here!! Goddamn! This goes for probably 20 minutes, we finish the drink and mama says, "we have a back room, right there tin the corner, which you can use if you buy a bottle of liquor. Meaning, we'll give you the room for free, for as long as you want it. " I'm like, as long as I want? Yes. Me, ok, sure, why not!?
So, it's expensive, the bottle fee room, as the bottle was $350 USD, but it's 10:30 PM, I'm already a bit lit, have a raging hard on, and 3-4 girls who are basically porn star experiencing me right there in the booth! So I order a bottle of tequila, some mixer and we go to the room, one girl goes to freshen up, the other 2 strip completely naked and to my surprise have nice, large natural breasts and awesome nipples, which they proceed to jam in my mouth and make me suck. Wow, what a life!
First girl returns, gets completely naked, strips all my clothes off and opens the box of condoms that the mama brought in. 12 condoms, and I'm thinking, "your goal is to use up that entire box!" We end up at $4 k for each girl, and we will take our time and fuck until either I can't take it anymore or they can't, whichever comes first.
They did not win. .
Fuck girl one doggy, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl, missionary, every which way, then move to #2, then #3, then back to #1, #2, #3, and we're halfway through the box of condoms at about the 1 hour mark. I am able to go through the rest of the box in the next hour and a half and at this point they're worn out, complaining that I must've taken a whole bottle of Viagra, that they can't believe this, and when the fuck am I going to come already? Now, they're nicer than that, getting down on their knees in front of me, using the lube that the mama brought in and are alternating between excellent handjob action, blowjob and tonguing of the dick and ballsack, all while I'm eating 1 girl's pussy, sucking the tits on another, tongue kissing, then switching girls and doing more of the same, etc.
Fucking Fantastic! Or was it fantastic fucking? Either way, fucking fantastic!
I seriously want to bust and ask one of the girls, I can come on your face, yes? She points to the other, blonde one, and says, "You can come on HER face!" That was funny. Finally they all say, "You can come on all our faces!" I am just about to, but then think, "Man, I'the like to fuck that Chinese girl back at Lips and who knows what's in the other clubs on the strip?" So I call for the bill, the girls moan. Awwwwwwww and give me kisses and I'm out.
I go get more cash from the ATM, since I'm thinking if I have another 2+ hours like I just had in Dimples, that will take me close to my time to head to the airport, still leaving a bit of time for a shower and maybe some breakfast. We will see.
Up the hill, hit the ATM, back down the hill and I was about to head into FYRE, which was good the other night, when some guy says, Why not try this one? Why not indeed? In Tagalog, Bakit Hindi (why not). Ok, head into a small, dark, black painted club, didn't catch the name, but super close to FYRE. Small, dark, can't really see, but all of a sudden I'm swarmed by succubi. It was nearly a repeat of Dimples, but in the seating along the wall. Buy a round for the waitress, mamasan, and the 5-6 girls sitting with me, not caring at all that it's like $100 USD. Whatever. Finally the waitress brings me a box of condoms and I ask, "Where am I going to use these?" The mama comes by and says, "We close the curtain!" Oh my god, fucking in the booth in basically plain view and earshot of the entire club (not many customers, but still! Sure, why not? Bakit Hindi. They pull the curtain closed, the cute one next to me with big glasses and bigger tits puts a condom on me and just starts riding me like a fucking maniac. Next girl does the same, next girl does the same, I'm drunk, head spinning, not sure of how many girls have been riding me, feeding me their tits, tongues, whatever when the waitress comes by and says, "Hey, your card isn't working. " I'm like, how much did you try to charge? She says, oh, not much, $250 US or something. At this point I look at my phone and I have a laundry list of declined charge / fraud notifications from my BofA app, with the largest one of $2,711.85 US FUCKING DOLLARS! What in the ACTUAL FUCK are you trying to pull here, I'm thinking. But I collect myself, pull my clothes on, realize some of my cash is missing, but I still give them the rest of the cash I have on me, which was like $12 k, tell them I have no more, pick up my card and walk out. The waitress follows me all the way to my hotel at which point the security guy stops her, I go up to my room, pass out and wake up to the alarm 2 hours later, massively hung over, head still spinning, from what maybe was 7-8 rum and cokes over 5 hours. Something doesn't quite add up and I'm wondering if they spiked my drink.
So, lesson learned. If you want to have a rock star, all night banger of an experience, fuck 10+ girls and have the time of your life, you ABSOLUTELY can do it. All in, I spent somewhere between $850-1,000 US dollars and I am completely happy with the experience I had, since I had my dick inside something like 10-12 girls, all of whom were good looking, even if basically carbon copies of each other. All had tight bodies, big tits (generally), flat stomachs, and much prettier noses than the SFFN (standard flat Filipina nose), which is just so unattractive, in my opinion.
That said, be fucking careful fucking, especially when head spinning drunk (or drugged) since at least some of these crazy folks will try to take advantage of you, not least by trying to run 8-10 charges at attempts ranging from $2,700 USD down to $800 USD, which fortunately BofA declined, since it was obviously a pattern of fraudulent charge attempts.
So, that's it. 2 nights in Manila, both fantastic, total of probably 15 girls I had my cock inside, and 2 high quality, massive load, cum on multiple bodies finishes. Zero complaints.
Will I ever go back to Manila? Probably not. Too far away from the US for a quick visit, too expensive, too many generic / standard Filipina look girls, which is fine, when mixed with other looks and types (like Lips when I was there with the Chinese look, black girl, etc.), but when you have a whole club or 5 clubs of girls that essentially all look the same, it's not my favorite.
Then again. Goddamn, what a night!! Bakit hindi!!
BlueLantern
01-25-24, 07:48
I'm happy for you Aml3740. Definitely sounds like a fairytale. I hope things work out for you, but I'd definitely caution you about future romantic expectations particularly if you won't be returning for a while. IMHO it's better to be cautious during LDRs because so much can change when you're apart from one another.
For the other readers, I'd say Aml3740 was an exception to many of the solid advice provided here. He broke many of the "rules" and somehow it worked out for him. However for every fairytale like his, I'm sure there's dozens upon dozens of other optimistic guys who broke the "rules" and got taken advantage of by untrustworthy pinays. A lot of the advice given here is in hopes of protecting guys from being taken advantage of. There's seemingly no end to the number of scammers out there, and so in general it's definitely best practices to protect yourself, your money and your heart if you're just visiting the Philippines.
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.
She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.
Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.
We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.
So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.
I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.
BlueLantern
01-25-24, 07:57
What a wild ride man. Definitely nothing that I'd try personally, but it's interesting to live vicariously through your story. Just out of curiosity, how much in total were they trying to charge to your card? Did you give your credit card to the previous place as well?
I'm drunk, head spinning, not sure of how many girls have been riding me, feeding me their tits, tongues, whatever when the waitress comes by and says, "Hey, your card isn't working. " I'm like, how much did you try to charge? She says, oh, not much, $250 US or something. At this point I look at my phone and I have a laundry list of declined charge / fraud notifications from my BofA app, with the largest one of $2,711.85 US FUCKING DOLLARS! What in the ACTUAL FUCK are you trying to pull here, I'm thinking. But I collect myself, pull my clothes on, realize some of my cash is missing, but I still give them the rest of the cash I have on me, which was like $12 k, tell them I have no more, pick up my card and walk out. The waitress follows me all the way to my hotel at which point the security guy stops her, I go up to my room, pass out and wake up to the alarm 2 hours later, massively hung over, head still spinning, from what maybe was 7-8 rum and cokes over 5 hours. Something doesn't quite add up and I'm wondering if they spiked my drink.
So, lesson learned. If you want to have a rock star, all night banger of an experience, fuck 10+ girls and have the time of your life, you ABSOLUTELY can do it. All in, I spent somewhere between $850-1,000 US dollars and I am completely happy with the experience I had, since I had my dick inside something like 10-12 girls, all of whom were good looking, even if basically carbon copies of each other. All had tight bodies, big tits (generally), flat stomachs, and much prettier noses than the SFFN (standard flat Filipina nose), which is just so unattractive, in my opinion.
That said, be fucking careful fucking, especially when head spinning drunk (or drugged) since at least some of these crazy folks will try to take advantage of you, not least by trying to run 8-10 charges at attempts ranging from $2,700 USD down to $800 USD, which fortunately BofA declined, since it was obviously a pattern of fraudulent charge attempts.
Please help me. Do you suggest Hilton or Conrad?
Which is better and more girl friendly?
Thxx for your help!
I enjoyed your tale of interacting with the massage scheduler and her getting excited to experience your skills.
How did it play out? Hopefully every bit as great as you anticipated!Haha. Well, she showed up and she was a bit more round than I had anticipated. I had asked her for photos before she arrived but she did not provide so I just crossed fingers and she was a 4/10. But I was her first foreigner and her second fuck so I thought what the heck I'll just give this girl a good time and send her on her way.
Took her to the bedroom and slowly undressed her, laid her down and started munching on that fat little pussy. She got WET, like creaming wet, in no time. Funnest part was that I decided to tongue her asshole while fingering her and rubbing her clit and she went CRAZY for it haha. I even asked her after if she liked anal and she said "oh, no no no!" Huh. Whatever.
I fucked her doggy, side fuck, and then missionary raw and gave her the white man creampie. We hung out for a bit and she told me she had a great time. She told me that the massage therapist she employs is actually her next door neighbor and to not say anything to the therapist about the hook up we just had. Haha, ok.
Next day I contacted the manager and booked my therapist. She came over and I gave her the white man creampie the next night. We don't even do the massage any longer. She comes over, gets naked and just attacks me. We fucked in multiple new positions and I learned she's great at sucking dick. We took a shower together and she says, "I think my manager wants to come here and fuck you" and I just laugh. I don't deny or confirm, just laugh. She doesn't bring it up again.
Only in the Philippines.
Please help me. Do you suggest Hilton or Conrad?
Which is better and more girl friendly?
Thxx for your help!I have stayed at both, and brought back guests at both with no issues at all. Just walk in and head straight to elevator. No registering required or asked for.
Enjoy your hook up. Luvchicas.
Manila is the wild Wild West. No hotel cares who you bring up. Unless they look homeless.
I have stayed at both, and brought back guests at both with no issues at all. Just walk in and head straight to elevator. No registering required or asked for.
Enjoy your hook up. Luvchicas.Thank you for your help!
Your personal opinion: Is Conrad the higher price than Hilton worth it from quality, pool. ?
Thxx again for all help!!
WestCoast1
01-31-24, 01:25
I have stayed at both, and brought back guests at both with no issues at all. Just walk in and head straight to elevator. No registering required or asked for.
Enjoy your hook up. Luvchicas.Good for the guy, bad for the guy. Beware any hotel / residence that lets you walk in with an unregistered guest. They will also not check with you when the guest departs; a dangerous situation for you should the girl rob you blind (or worse) while you sleep. The best situation is one where the girl signs in and surrenders her ID to the guard, then picks up her ID upon departure with you present (or alternately, the guard or front desk calls your room to get your approval of her departure). All 8 hotels and residences where I stayed in the past year have registered the girls with the guard and confiscated her ID. In AC that includes the 3 residences and 2 hotels that I have used in that time.
Some good news. During Covid, the government made it easier for locals to get an ID, by standardizing the various ID's. Cost is not prohibitive anymore. For example, during Covid, more than 20 post offices around the NCR started offering a postal ID on the spot. This has reduced the need for fake ID's. Pre-covid many Filipinos didn't have any form of valid ID, now most adults have one.
Thank you for your help!
Your personal opinion: Is Conrad the higher price than Hilton worth it from quality, pool. ?
Thxx again for all help!!Yes, for the extra cost I would say the Conrad has slightly better, quality accommodations.
Location wise, it is right next door to the Mall of Asia. And has its own passage way thru, very convenient.
The only thing that makes the Hilton stand out is its location, a stone's throw away from Terminal 3.
From which where I arrive and depart the most frequent. And because of that, I usually stay at the Hilton.
Manila is the wild Wild West. No hotel cares who you bring up. Unless they look homeless.I wasn't around back in the Wild Wild West days so I really don't have a comparison to Manila. But I do know some hotels did check for ID. Belmont Hotel did diligently check a few years back. I haven't been back since as I liked Savoy and Holiday Inn Express much better. Breakfast buffet is better at Savoy and I think the rooms are better at Holiday. Belmont has much better access to terminal 3.
Bro, if I may ask. Did you actually spend US $ 25.000 for the evening, I do understand you had a great time. Or you spent phil pesos. I am just a bit confused.
2 part trip report. Both long, so buckle up:
All in all, I think I dropped $4 k each on the 2 MILFs in the afternoon, $3. 5 k to barfine the girl (my buddy talked the mama down, since were taking 2 out) and then $7 k to my overnight sweetie. So, about $20 k all in, plus food, drinks, grab ride, etc. Maybe a little more, but I don't recall. My new friend didn't drink, so that kept my drink costs down, since I was also going with mineral water or sparkling water and / or Red Bulls around midnight. Probably tops $25 k, which was completely reasonable for an all night out on the town, plus the afternoon delight with the 2 MILFs.
To quote Borat, "GREAT SUCCESS! For day 1 in Manila.
Good for the guy, bad for the guy. Beware any hotel / residence that lets you walk in with an unregistered guest. They will also not check with you when the guest departs; a dangerous situation for you should the girl rob you blind (or worse) while you sleep. The best situation is one where the girl signs in and surrenders her ID to the guard, then picks up her ID upon departure with you present (or alternately, the guard or front desk calls your room to get your approval of her departure). All 8 hotels and residences where I stayed in the past year have registered the girls with the guard and confiscated her ID. In AC that includes the 3 residences and 2 hotels that I have used in that time.
Some good news. During Covid, the government made it easier for locals to get an ID, by standardizing the various ID's. Cost is not prohibitive anymore. For example, during Covid, more than 20 post offices around the NCR started offering a postal ID on the spot. This has reduced the need for fake ID's. Pre-covid many Filipinos didn't have any form of valid ID, now most adults have one.This reason is why I prefer girls recommended from the Hotel staff. Most will be related to or a friend of a relative so there will be no issues for safety. Also, I let them know I'm looking for college student, so they will be young and don't engage in the business regularly. Exchange pics and numbers through whatsapp and they will be overly excited for getting school "uniform" money. And, when on their time of month they will happily refer their classmates. And the cycle goes on.
MamaGuevos
01-31-24, 22:13
I recently came back from a trip to the Philippines. I met a girl about six weeks before I came through a friend of hers that had been on Pinalove. We chatted for a couple of days and progressed to video calls after that. She was a province girl, and, after three weeks of chatting, I offered to fly her to Manila to meet when I came if she wanted to. She agreed (cost round trip ticket in December was about 6 k pesos).
Before we met, she never asked for money. In our conversations, I asked what her goals were and it was to open her own business when she had enough money. I wanted to help her, but she was hesitant. She didn't want me to think she was after money. I invested in her dream - 20 k pesos. I asked her to meet me again when I was leaving the country in early January, even before we met in person the first time. Cost round trip ticket in early January was around 7500 pesos. I bought the tickets myself using my own account with CP and PAL, and did not give her money for that.
We didn't really talk about sex too much before we met, except that she was really attracted to me. But we did get close to one another. She showed me how she spent the money I had sent to her, and how it was starting to pay off for her. She got to Manila a few hours before me and checked into our condo and got everything ready. When I came in, she met me at the door with a hug and a kiss, and we went straight to the bed.
She was not very experienced sexually, and it showed. She was 21 and just didn't sleep around before. But she made up for it with enthusiasm and a desire to please. Eight creampies in 30 hours before I had to leave. I just paid for our food and her grab to the airport. She didn't ask for or want money.
Over the next few weeks, we kept talking on chat and video call while I was in the province. She didn't ask for money, but I did send her a Christmas gift to her GCash so she could buy something her whole family could use. That's what she asked for when I told her I wanted to give her a Christmas gift. 4 k pesos.
We met again in early January at the airport. She came with two gifts for me that she bought on her own. Both custom-made items that were very sweet and thoughtful. We spent two days together. Two days pretty much naked and fucking when we weren't eating or sleeping. We didn't leave the hotel room once. Nine creampies. And she had to really work for the last one the morning before we left because I don't do viagra at all and I was pretty much spent. Again, I paid just the food and our grab to the airport, which is negligible expense that I would have paid anyway.
So, it was 3. 5 days together. 17 creampies and a couple that I didn't finish on top of that, if you just look at it from that perspective. 37,500 pesos. Of which 24 k was cash given to her. The rest was airfare I paid for her plane tickets on my own accounts. I broke every rule here. I chatted her for weeks before we met. I gave her money before we met. But, dang, the results were pure GFE bliss that I had only experienced with my partner before. She doesn't want my money all the time. It's a pride issue for her. But she is working a wonder with the business she started using the money I sent to her.
I'll admit that this turned sideways from what I was looking for. I found quite a girlfriend when I was just looking for fun originally. All of this to say that: 1) Not every pinay will see you as a walking ATM machine, and, 2) If you put in the work, it can pay out in spades if you find the right girl.It sounds to me like you might be well on your way to starting a small family. Do you have plans should this sweetheart get pregnant?
FictionalSpace
02-01-24, 02:53
This reason is why I prefer girls recommended from the Hotel staff. Most will be related to or a friend of a relative so there will be no issues for safety. Also, I let them know I'm looking for college student, so they will be young and don't engage in the business regularly. Exchange pics and numbers through whatsapp and they will be overly excited for getting school "uniform" money. And, when on their time of month they will happily refer their classmates. And the cycle goes on.How does one go about that conversation? How do you choose which employee to ask? I think about doing exactly this but I always end up avoiding it so that if it is awkward I don't have to pass that employee in the lobby for the next several days.
Member #4794
02-01-24, 03:58
How does one go about that conversation? How do you choose which employee to ask? I think about doing exactly this but I always end up avoiding it so that if it is awkward I don't have to pass that employee in the lobby for the next several days.Option A.
Employee X: Hi Sir!, Are you enjoying your stay sir?
You: I would be better if I had a girlfriend LOL! I need to find a girlfriend you know?
Employee X: You are looking for girl / girlfriend sir?
You: YES? You know of any, JOKE!
Employee X: Yes I know, you like?
You: Yes send me a picture or let me see one. I'm looking for a college girl.
*win*.
Option be.
You: Hi, how's it going do you know where to find girls around here?
Employee X: You are looking for girl sir?
You: Yes! College girls! Do you know any?
Employee X: Yes sir!
*win*.
Option see.
Employee X: Hi, Sir you like girl?
You: Yes!
*win*.
You can also ask if they have a girlfriend and joke that he should help you find a girlfriend if he knows any of his girlfriends friends. This also works well.
If at any time they act like they don't understand. Just say Joke and move on and no awkwardness should linger. If you lead with "I'm horny as fuck do you have anything I can fuck?" then yes expect some awkwardness from just about everyone. Its all about tact. At any time you feel some awkwardness seeping in abort.
Bro, if I may ask. Did you actually spend US $ 25.000 for the evening, I do understand you had a great time. Or you spent phil pesos. I am just a bit confused.You are a bit confused to ask the question.
Think about it. $25,000 = 1,400,000 pesos.
No, sir (to use the super common Filipino greeting, with everything being followed by "sir! I did not spend $25 kUSD, but 25 k Filipino Pesos.
Great night, but my second night was even better, but I ended up somewhere between $850 and $1,000 USD, actual USD, not pesos. So about double of my first day and night, but I knew my second night would be my very last night for maybe. Ever, so I wanted to go out with a banger and I accomplished that goal!
Fantastic nights of fucking, truly. Almost makes me want to make that long-ass flight for a return trip.
Bro, if I may ask. Did you actually spend US $ 25.000 for the evening, I do understand you had a great time. Or you spent phil pesos. I am just a bit confused.
I owe this to the forum. This is a bit long but please. Bear with me.
Was in Manila for 3 nights, first time in Philippines. On last night I decided to do Burgos Street Makati go-go bars. I went to multiple bars before settling on LIPS.
A. Café Cubana was first port of call – decent food sitting on table facing the street. Absolutely horrible girls on adjacent tables trying to make a connect. Food was good, and when I was leaving, a live band started playing and it sounded quite good.
Be. I then did rounds of different bars. It was a bit early. 9 pm or so. So most bars were almost empty and it was wasted effort.
See. Around 10 pm I did 2nd round, more girls, mostly empty but few noteworthy / popular names I am mentioning here.
A. Maison – a bit too dark but girls didn't really look great at all.
Be. Kojax – I think best set of girls but somehow they seemed to be interested in waiting for Japs than engage with others. They idled without making any effort but as soon as a Jap / Korean group walked in, all of them rushed to those two groups. Girls seemed best amongst what I saw across all bars, dressed best (all blacks) but worst attitude.
See. I went back to LIPS for the 2nd time and decided to stay put. Not that it looked great, few 7's but nothing more than that.
So, I decided to spend the evening there and enjoy the action and not worry about taking a girl back since I really wanted a 9/10 only to take back. And as you will see What a great time I had. In-fact, going forward I am going to do this more than worry about taking someone to my room and worry about walk of shame etc. Esp. Given that I am always traveling for work and staying in top properties, with additional risk of bumping into a colleague.
Now the first thing that happened is not a go-go thing but possibly the most interesting part of the evening. I was given a sofa next to a sofa hosting a couple (customers). I had been watching the girl for almost 20 minutes and she was badly drunk, all over her BF, and in some sense even embarrassing him with her antics. At the same she she was definitely classy, and I (and other customers I am sure) were all eyeing her! I was very horny just looking at her dance, grope her BF, smooch him, and dry hump him. After 10 mintues or so the BF stepped out to take a call or something and this girl bended over to me and asked to buy her a drink! I teasingly asked her what will I get in return! She said nothing. Then she asked what do I want. I said I want a kiss. She gave me a peck on the lips but I said I want a full mouthed kiss with tongue. She turned away saying 'not happening'. In two minutes she turned around and said let me come back from the washroom and we can kiss. However, while getting out of her sofa, she comes over to mine, gives me a big wet kiss and goes to washroom. By the time she is back from washroom her BF is back too, I tried to flirt with her but her BF indicated to me to stay away! After 10 minutes they were leaving and BF walks up to me and said to me in a firm manner – Dude, you were hitting at my girl. I said its actually the other way round -the she was hitting at me and I was just reciprocating. He then smiles and said he was going to fuck her wild tonight. Just taking my chances I proposed. If you want to do that why don't we make it a threesome! He laughed and asked if I was kidding and I said no, I am serious. He then said how much will you pay, and I asked him counter question – how much he wants. I guess he was also quite drunk but for him possibly better sense prevailed and he just realized that possibly it was a slip on his part and walked out with his girl. I was seriously disappointed. All this while the girl was standing along with him and listening to this!
Now moving on to the bar girls. I first called a girl who was 19 yrs and really cute and firm. Possibly best girl there – almost an 8. A bit shy though. Just started chatting with her and in a nearby corner I saw a girl giving a lap dance really grinding a customer. I asked this girl to give me a lap dance too but she said she is shy and won't be able to do it. So, I told the waitress to send me someone who will give a lap dance. Waitress went to the lady manager (who was dressed in suit and carrying a slideshow laser beam! She immediately shouted across the floor pointing the laser presentation beam on a girl and called her over. Now this is where the 2nd part of the fun began.
The girl 'Ada' had short blonde curly hair (more like Marlyn Munroe) and was wearing a white printed bikini. And man did she grind me. Front back, suffocating me with her boobs and everything. I was very horny. Trying to get my hands inside the elastic of her panty, even feeling the stuble near the top of her panties, and likewise I got my hands inside her bra. But all these actions were a bit camouflaged and not obvious. Refused to kiss but once when she was facing me and grinding me, she took out one of her boobs and pressed my mouth against them and I licked them nice. When not grinding she was licking my ears, groping me through trousers etc. This went on for almost 40-50 minutes when I asked her if she can get another girl she likes and is friendly with so as to grind me as well.
Here comes Lali, tall, a well-toned, red skirt, black bra. Ada said she will grind like a porn star. Ada sits on side, playing with me while Lali begins. You can almost say similar things as with Ada but now its 2 x. Both taking turns, groping me etc. However, Lali was more open to kissing and gave me a full-blown kiss. In between occassinally steeling a suck at lali's boobs and kisses, even Ada opened up and started kissing. So here I am being really fondled, grinded, and everything, being watched by smiling waitress and also the cleaner guy who would come often to clean the table. Since Lali was wearing a skirt, however short, I had more opportunity to rub her clit through panties without being noticed. This went on for another 30-40 minutes or maybe more. But it was not 2 x, it was much more since the acts got more intense.
I was sitting right across the dance stage. There were 5-6 girls there. Not really dancing but just standing there. There was this one girl, -tall-toned-attractive (7-8). I noticed she was constantly watching us. The moment I would look at her, she would turn her head away, having been caught watching. Later I tried to smile at her she smiled back. And then we were constantly staring at each other even though these two girls were at me. She was smiling back every time I would give her a seductive glance. I asked these girls to call her also! And from there it was 3 x fun. With new girl 'Yonel' grinding me, Ada and Lali on each side, and fondling, kissing, stealing nip sucks etc. And dry humping becoming more and more intense. In between my shirt disappeared without me realizing! And later Ada was strutting around the club in my shirt! My T-shirt was almost up always with girls working on my nipples!
I really had a hard time to put an end to things and go back to my room – had an early work start next morning.
But some key takeaways for me.
• I am a 55 year old Indian, seemingly to people in Thailand / Philipines I look like an Arab because of fair complexion. Am overall smart and fit but average+ in looks department.
• All 3 girls were 7-8 range but had great attitude. Mind-blowing. I think you treat them with respect and they treat you well also. All 3 girls surreptitiously agreed to give their numbers also. I had thought I will try them next day. But eventually I could not find time. One thing I felt is don't always go for best girls, also look at girls who are really making an effort with you. I was lucky. I think I had best looks and attitude combination that day.
• This PDA act was the best fun I have had in almost a decade of this kind of fun across multiple countries but mostly Thailand. Earlier I had always been focused on taking the girl to the room and not enjoyed the moment. This time the focus was enjoying the moments there only for long period and it was even better than just fucking a girl in your room.
• The girls are there of course for money but they were not very greedy and pushy about ladies drinks etc. Every 10-15 minutes they or waitress would suggest and I would delay it by 5 minutes and order. Part of it could also be that traffic was not as heavy but then there weren't too many girls either. So it was a balanced demand / supply. In Thailand the girls want drink every 5 minutes, very pushy and impatient and they just walk off if you don't buy another one quickly.
• Drinks were reasonably priced (120 PHP /2. 5 USD /180 INR for entry level beer San Miguel Light), 360 PHP /7. 5 USD / 540 INR for ladies drinks). Every time a drink was delivered, they got you to initial the receipt. There was no cheating. All in all between three girls, 2-2. 5 hrs of very good time (my undy was full of pre-cum whenever I went to pee!) I spent 6000 PHP / 120 USD / 9000 INR USD over 3 girls, including two of drinks for the waitress.
P.S. I genuinely do not have the numbers saved. I think I left them in the hotel drawer. Before anyone asks!
How does one go about that conversation? How do you choose which employee to ask? I think about doing exactly this but I always end up avoiding it so that if it is awkward I don't have to pass that employee in the lobby for the next several days.You are a foreigner you are alone what do you think what they are thinking you are there for.
In the Philippines, in just 8 days there, nearly EVERY older white man I saw was accompanied by a young 20-30 year old hottie, who was either their girlfriend and / or their wife.
I'd say it's 100% obvious that they (we) are there for one thing and pretty much one thing only, girls.
Just start the conversation and move along.
Nomars.
You are a foreigner you are alone what do you think what they are thinking you are there for.
FictionalSpace
02-02-24, 02:40
Option A.
If at any time they act like they don't understand. Just say Joke and move on and no awkwardness should linger. If you lead with "I'm horny as fuck do you have anything I can fuck?" then yes expect some awkwardness from just about everyone. Its all about tact. At any time you feel some awkwardness seeping in abort.Ha! A much appreciated play by play. Perhaps I'll give this a shot on my upcoming trip.
I owe this to the forum. This is a bit long but please. Bear with me.
Was in Manila for 3 nights, first time in Philippines. On last night I decided to do Burgos Street Makati go-go bars. I went to multiple bars before settling on LIPS.
A. Café Cubana was first port of call – decent food sitting on table facing the street. Absolutely horrible girls on adjacent tables trying to make a connect. Food was good, and when I was leaving, a live band started playing and it sounded quite good.
Be. I then did rounds of different bars. It was a bit early. 9 pm or so. So most bars were almost empty and it was wasted effort.
See. Around 10 pm I did 2nd round, more girls, mostly empty but few noteworthy / popular names I am mentioning here.
A. Maison – a bit too dark but girls didn't really look great at all.
Be. Kojax – I think best set of girls but somehow they seemed to be interested in waiting for Japs than engage with others. They idled without making any effort but as soon as a Jap / Korean group walked in, all of them rushed to those two groups. Girls seemed best amongst what I saw across all bars, dressed best (all blacks) but worst attitude.
See. I went back to LIPS for the 2nd time and decided to stay put. Not that it looked great, few 7's but nothing more than that.
So, I decided to spend the evening there and enjoy the action and not worry about taking a girl back since I really wanted a 9/10 only to take back. And as you will see What a great time I had. In-fact, going forward I am going to do this more than worry about taking someone to my room and worry about walk of shame etc. Esp. Given that I am always traveling for work and staying in top properties, with additional risk of bumping into a colleague.
Now the first thing that happened is not a go-go thing but possibly the most interesting part of the evening. I was given a sofa next to a sofa hosting a couple (customers). I had been watching the girl for almost 20 minutes and she was badly drunk, all over her BF, and in some sense even embarrassing him with her antics. At the same she she was definitely classy, and I (and other customers I am sure) were all eyeing her! I was very horny just looking at her dance, grope her BF, smooch him, and dry hump him. After 10 mintues or so the BF stepped out to take a call or something and this girl bended over to me and asked to buy her a drink! I teasingly asked her what will I get in return! She said nothing. Then she asked what do I want. I said I want a kiss. She gave me a peck on the lips but I said I want a full mouthed kiss with tongue. She turned away saying 'not happening'. In two minutes she turned around and said let me come back from the washroom and we can kiss. However, while getting out of her sofa, she comes over to mine, gives me a big wet kiss and goes to washroom. By the time she is back from washroom her BF is back too, I tried to flirt with her but her BF indicated to me to stay away! After 10 minutes they were leaving and BF walks up to me and said to me in a firm manner – Dude, you were hitting at my girl. I said its actually the other way round -the she was hitting at me and I was just reciprocating. He then smiles and said he was going to fuck her wild tonight. Just taking my chances I proposed. If you want to do that why don't we make it a threesome! He laughed and asked if I was kidding and I said no, I am serious. He then said how much will you pay, and I asked him counter question – how much he wants. I guess he was also quite drunk but for him possibly better sense prevailed and he just realized that possibly it was a slip on his part and walked out with his girl. I was seriously disappointed. All this while the girl was standing along with him and listening to this!
Now moving on to the bar girls. I first called a girl who was 19 yrs and really cute and firm. Possibly best girl there – almost an 8. A bit shy though. Just started chatting with her and in a nearby corner I saw a girl giving a lap dance really grinding a customer. I asked this girl to give me a lap dance too but she said she is shy and won't be able to do it. So, I told the waitress to send me someone who will give a lap dance. Waitress went to the lady manager (who was dressed in suit and carrying a slideshow laser beam! She immediately shouted across the floor pointing the laser presentation beam on a girl and called her over. Now this is where the 2nd part of the fun began.
The girl 'Ada' had short blonde curly hair (more like Marlyn Munroe) and was wearing a white printed bikini. And man did she grind me. Front back, suffocating me with her boobs and everything. I was very horny. Trying to get my hands inside the elastic of her panty, even feeling the stuble near the top of her panties, and likewise I got my hands inside her bra. But all these actions were a bit camouflaged and not obvious. Refused to kiss but once when she was facing me and grinding me, she took out one of her boobs and pressed my mouth against them and I licked them nice. When not grinding she was licking my ears, groping me through trousers etc. This went on for almost 40-50 minutes when I asked her if she can get another girl she likes and is friendly with so as to grind me as well.
Here comes Lali, tall, a well-toned, red skirt, black bra. Ada said she will grind like a porn star. Ada sits on side, playing with me while Lali begins. You can almost say similar things as with Ada but now its 2 x. Both taking turns, groping me etc. However, Lali was more open to kissing and gave me a full-blown kiss. In between occassinally steeling a suck at lali's boobs and kisses, even Ada opened up and started kissing. So here I am being really fondled, grinded, and everything, being watched by smiling waitress and also the cleaner guy who would come often to clean the table. Since Lali was wearing a skirt, however short, I had more opportunity to rub her clit through panties without being noticed. This went on for another 30-40 minutes or maybe more. But it was not 2 x, it was much more since the acts got more intense.
I was sitting right across the dance stage. There were 5-6 girls there. Not really dancing but just standing there. There was this one girl, -tall-toned-attractive (7-8). I noticed she was constantly watching us. The moment I would look at her, she would turn her head away, having been caught watching. Later I tried to smile at her she smiled back. And then we were constantly staring at each other even though these two girls were at me. She was smiling back every time I would give her a seductive glance. I asked these girls to call her also! And from there it was 3 x fun. With new girl 'Yonel' grinding me, Ada and Lali on each side, and fondling, kissing, stealing nip sucks etc. And dry humping becoming more and more intense. In between my shirt disappeared without me realizing! And later Ada was strutting around the club in my shirt! My T-shirt was almost up always with girls working on my nipples!
I really had a hard time to put an end to things and go back to my room – had an early work start next morning.
But some key takeaways for me.
• I am a 55 year old Indian, seemingly to people in Thailand / Philipines I look like an Arab because of fair complexion. Am overall smart and fit but average+ in looks department.
• All 3 girls were 7-8 range but had great attitude. Mind-blowing. I think you treat them with respect and they treat you well also. All 3 girls surreptitiously agreed to give their numbers also. I had thought I will try them next day. But eventually I could not find time. One thing I felt is don't always go for best girls, also look at girls who are really making an effort with you. I was lucky. I think I had best looks and attitude combination that day.
• This PDA act was the best fun I have had in almost a decade of this kind of fun across multiple countries but mostly Thailand. Earlier I had always been focused on taking the girl to the room and not enjoyed the moment. This time the focus was enjoying the moments there only for long period and it was even better than just fucking a girl in your room.
• The girls are there of course for money but they were not very greedy and pushy about ladies drinks etc. Every 10-15 minutes they or waitress would suggest and I would delay it by 5 minutes and order. Part of it could also be that traffic was not as heavy but then there weren't too many girls either. So it was a balanced demand / supply. In Thailand the girls want drink every 5 minutes, very pushy and impatient and they just walk off if you don't buy another one quickly.
• Drinks were reasonably priced (120 PHP /2. 5 USD /180 INR for entry level beer San Miguel Light), 360 PHP /7. 5 USD / 540 INR for ladies drinks). Every time a drink was delivered, they got you to initial the receipt. There was no cheating. All in all between three girls, 2-2. 5 hrs of very good time (my undy was full of pre-cum whenever I went to pee!) I spent 6000 PHP / 120 USD / 9000 INR USD over 3 girls, including two of drinks for the waitress.
P.S. I genuinely do not have the numbers saved. I think I left them in the hotel drawer. Before anyone asks!
Went to LA Cafe at first night of my stay.
Found myself a table near the pool tables. There was this babe in 30's playing pool with another indian guy. Dressed normally. Low waist jeans and a top showing off her belly. Hourglass figure. And since I was sitting next, everytime she bent to take a shot, I wanted to reach out and grab her ass! But then I am a gentleman!
I was looking but mostly the girls were 5 range and not above.
An old friendly hag tried to pile on. I directly told her I am looking for someone young and slim. I also told her I wanted the girl playing pool. She She then started helping me. She went to that girl but the girl was already taken long time for the night. Anyways.
Then she went and got me a 8/9. Really pretty 8/9 range. I think she was easily the best looking in entire cafe. Mexican mix. However from the word go she was in a rush to be taken out and didn't really want to spend time in the cafe. Avoided any touching feeling etc. Lot of red flags but as she was 8/9 and very alluring I struck a deal with her 100 US night. She had her drink and food. Then she said she will freshen up and be back in 5 minutes. Didn't turn up for almost 30 minutes and when she came she said she can only do short time and not night. I was really pissed, though frankly short would not have been a bad deal, but given other red flags earlier etc. I was a bit irritated, as I also realised she has possibly gone level up and struck an alternate arrangement. So I let her go.
The fun part however is something else.
All this while there is this basket waitress who goes around selling goodies in a basket. She was friendly with this hag and that acted as a reason for her to come / or for me to ask her to stay. She was absolutely gorgeous. 8 I would say. Dark skin, v tight and athletic figure, wearing denim shorts and normal crew tshirt, young (maybe 20-21) and she kept coming and talking to me and standing next to me. Wonderful Ass. Denim shorts really brought out the best of her ass, and her perky medium size tits were really showing through her T. Solid and erect, not an iota of loose skin or hanging boobs. Claire is her name. I was feeling up her bums below the table. Lot of teasing and flirting. I held her hand and brushed it against my hard on many times. She was shy and flirty at the same time! Anyway, that's that. She said being a waitress she can't do anything. Shared her number but refused to leave. It was already 1 am when I left, so didn't want to call her later at night since I had an early start next day. But she was really the one I would have liked to have across all girls I met in 3 nights of stay.
You are a foreigner you are alone what do you think what they are thinking you are there for.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rvvN5No_Yk
SexGuy2799
02-02-24, 14:46
Reviews on Manila Couetesans please? Genuine / safe / worth it? The good bad and ugly please!
Thanks.
ManFromHeaven
02-02-24, 15:25
Reviews on Manila Couetesans please? Genuine / safe / worth it? The good bad and ugly please!
Thanks.Yes I seen 2 girls (Venus and Bambi) from Manila Courtesans last year when I went to Manila. They do BBBJ, DATY / DATO, DFK (depends), CFS. They wash themselves when they come to room before getting on bed. No bad smell at any part of body. But they are pricey. I went for 2 hours session as I don't prefer overnight with unknown person. There is chat window open and can start chatting who is available. It looks it is 24 hours open. I even texted around 2 am they responded immediately. Only issue is you will not get whoever is there on website. Most of them might be booked or they lie whatever. They ask you to take picture of hotel room number to make sure we are ready. The girls arrive within 30 min to 45 min.
Went to LA Cafe at first night of my stay.
Found myself a table near the pool tables. There was this babe in 30's playing pool with another indian guy. Dressed normally. Low waist jeans and a top showing off her belly. Hourglass figure. And since I was sitting next, everytime she bent to take a shot, I wanted to reach out and grab her ass! But then I am a gentleman!
I was looking but mostly the girls were 5 range and not above.
An old friendly hag tried to pile on. I directly told her I am looking for someone young and slim. I also told her I wanted the girl playing pool. She She then started helping me. She went to that girl but the girl was already taken long time for the night. Anyways.
Then she went and got me a 8/9. Really pretty 8/9 range. I think she was easily the best looking in entire cafe. Mexican mix. However from the word go she was in a rush to be taken out and didn't really want to spend time in the cafe. Avoided any touching feeling etc. Lot of red flags but as she was 8/9 and very alluring I struck a deal with her 100 US night. She had her drink and food. Then she said she will freshen up and be back in 5 minutes. Didn't turn up for almost 30 minutes and when she came she said she can only do short time and not night. I was really pissed, though frankly short would not have been a bad deal, but given other red flags earlier etc. I was a bit irritated, as I also realised she has possibly gone level up and struck an alternate arrangement. So I let her go.
The fun part however is something else.
All this while there is this basket waitress who goes around selling goodies in a basket. She was friendly with this hag and that acted as a reason for her to come / or for me to ask her to stay. She was absolutely gorgeous. 8 I would say. Dark skin, v tight and athletic figure, wearing denim shorts and normal crew tshirt, young (maybe 20-21) and she kept coming and talking to me and standing next to me. Wonderful Ass. Denim shorts really brought out the best of her ass, and her perky medium size tits were really showing through her T. Solid and erect, not an iota of loose skin or hanging boobs. Claire is her name. I was feeling up her bums below the table. Lot of teasing and flirting. I held her hand and brushed it against my hard on many times. She was shy and flirty at the same time! Anyway, that's that. She said being a waitress she can't do anything. Shared her number but refused to leave. It was already 1 am when I left, so didn't want to call her later at night since I had an early start next day. But she was really the one I would have liked to have across all girls I met in 3 nights of stay.Danger bring a mask: My "date" took me to LA Cafe, stayed for just 1 minute, told her lets get the fook out of here, couldn't stand all the smokers in there. To each his own but my HEALTH was in jeopardy.
WestCoast1
02-03-24, 09:21
Chocolate rose (and her rosebud) gets boostered, and re-boostered. Approximately a dozen times in 2022-23-24. Not sure if this one is in it for health purposes, or sport. Or both.
For any locals or expats on the forum residing in Manila, I live just around the corner from White Touch Spa at the corner of Sheridan and Pioneer in Mandaluyong and this is a great HJ spa. When I first moved in to my condo a few months ago, I happened to see this place as it was close to the laundry shop where I get my clothes cleaned. It's only $10 for a 1 hour combination massage so I thought, let's get a massage while I wait for the clothes. To my great surprise, the masseuse was cupping my balls and stroking my cock almost immediately and for 2 k (about $38) she gave me a great HJ. She wanted another 1 k for me to get handsy with my roaming hands. I've been back about 15 times and I have been with 5 different therapists, with HJ action from 4 of them. Funny enough, the last time I was there, the therapist didn't give a HJ and I was disappointed and the moment she left to let me get dressed, another therapist snuck in and said "she don't do extra service, I do. Text me next time you come in" haha.
For any others who reside here, do you have any other HJ massage spots to share? Thanks.
Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:
(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?
(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?
(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?
(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?
Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:
(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?
(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?
(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?
(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?Meeting at Mall of Asia is good. If no vibe give her transportation fee and walk away. Be careful. Sometimes they bring the whole clan expecting you to pay for food and they do order a lot with no guarantee girl will go with you.
Going rate per day anywhere from 2500 to 4000 . Good Friday or not there are plenty of girls wherever you look.
Manila is Manila and makati is makati. Study the map. Not a lot of distance but traffic can be horrendous.
Meeting at Mall of Asia is good. If no vibe give her transportation fee and walk away. Be careful. Sometimes they bring the whole clan expecting you to pay for food and they do order a lot with no guarantee girl will go with you.
Going rate per day anywhere from 2500 to 4000 . Good Friday or not there are plenty of girls wherever you look.
Manila is Manila and makati is makati. Study the map. Not a lot of distance but traffic can be horrendous.Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:
(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?
(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.
(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.
I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.
Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:
(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?
(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?
(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?
(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?FYI Mall of Asia she is clever. Your days will be spent shopping for her!
FYI Mall of Asia she is clever. Your days will be spent shopping for her!On a serious note: Mall of Asia is a huge shopping center complex, its safe. Lots of restaurants and movie theater. I once had a province girl stay with me over the weekend at Sheraton Hotel next to the airport. Huge swimming pool during the day time, lots of restaurants, movie theater, and casino's for late at night, very safe area. By mall of asia I like City of Dreams, Okada Hotel very safe there. I'm a blackjack player so the casino's are my 2 CD hobby while I'm there.
Thanks to everyone who have been sharing FRs here. Its amazing. I plan to visit in Mar, and I wanted to be get a few clarifications:
(1) I see two forums here -- one for Manila and Makati. From the map, it looks close enough. Can I find my stay anywhere close and monger?
(2) I found a girl on pinalove from province. She is okay to come and stay with me for a couple of days. She is suggesting mall of asia? Is that a safe place?
(3) I was planning to come around Good Friday time. Is Manila religious and would all the places be closed that weekend?
(4) On 2, if a girl comes and stays for a couple of days, what would be the expectation? She says she is a digital content creator (which I see as an euphemism for free lancing), and she is not naming te $$. What should I be careful about?
Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:
(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?
(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.
(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.
I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.1. 1. Manila, Makati and Malate may only be an inch apart in the map but traffic is unbelievable 24/7 and absolutely horrendous during the normal peak hours. Best to treat them as distinct areas. Don't plan on travelling between them on a regular basis.
Makati is probably the most user-friendly area for a newbie. When I'm there I grab a AirBnB near Greenbelt as its close to the action at night and lots to do during the day.
1. 2. MOA is very safe.
1. 3. Pinas in general are very religious and those from the Provinces generally return home for holy week. Luckily Manila is huge so there will only be 8. 7 gazillion girls left to choose from. Having said that, it's the worst time if you are thinking of including a side trip to Angeles, Sabang etc.
1. 4. For just a few days and no commitments on either side for departure dates, I would just pay daily rate X nights spent with you. No disrespect but if you are new at this and she may or may not have high expectations then I would clarify this before she comes. The last thing you want is a generic "up to you" or "shopping money". You have no idea what that could be. Sammon's 2-4 k seems fair. Maybe a little more if you're generous and she's a stunner. You could go lower if it's preagreed that she will stay a week or more.
No need to be too paranoid but know financial expectations, is she coming with friends / chaperones, if so how long are they staying, and take basic security precautions to protect cash and valuables. You also need to have an escape plan should goods not be as described or if you don't click.
2. 1. This is very understandable. MOA is very well known, even to girls from our of town, so she will be comfortable finding it and meeting there. Remember that Cabanatuan is a long way away. It will be an all day event for her to reach you. Hence, it's totally reasonable that she wants some confidence that you will be there and that she will be able to find you.
2. 2. See above. Have an escape plan should things not work out. Be sensible and cautious but note that I've had many more pleasant surprises than horror stories.
2. 3. Why would you want separate rooms? She knows that she's not coming to check the decor and measure for new curtains. If it's time for a change, then make an excuse and send her home. If you want multiple girls per day, just go with short times.
Hope this helps.
Enjoy. G.
P.S. Covering the whole $$ question can be as brutal as asking directly how much she will need to meet you or more politely pointing out that she is coming a long way and won't be able to work while she's with you so it's only right that you give her something to make up for that.
G.
Any recommendations?I've seen a few there, though most are not there any longer. My favorite there was Jasmine. She is short and thin but really good at what she does.
I will caution that, in my experience, if you make an appointment in advance, I don't think they actually reserve the girl for you. I did that twice and both times she was either on her period or off work that evening. It's better to reserve the same day.
DanCerub26
02-06-24, 04:07
I owe this to the forum. This is a bit long but please. Bear with me.
Was in Manila for 3 nights, first time in Philippines. On last night I decided to do Burgos Street Makati go-go bars. I went to multiple bars before settling on LIPS.
A. Caf Cubana was first port of call decent food sitting on table facing the street. Absolutely horrible girls on adjacent tables trying to make a connect. Food was good, and when I was leaving, a live band started playing and it sounded quite good.
Be. I then did rounds of different bars. It was a bit early. 9 pm or so. So most bars were almost empty and it was wasted effort.
See. Around 10 pm I did 2nd round, more girls, mostly empty but few noteworthy / popular names I am mentioning here.
A. Maison a bit too dark but girls didn't really look great at all.
Be. Kojax I think best set of girls but somehow they seemed to be interested in waiting for Japs than engage with others. They idled without making any effort but as soon as a Jap / Korean group walked in, all of them rushed to those two groups. Girls seemed best amongst what I saw across all bars, dressed best (all blacks) but worst attitude.
See. I went back to LIPS for the 2nd time and decided to stay put. Not that it looked great, few 7's but nothing more than that.
So, I decided to spend the evening there and enjoy the action and not worry about taking a girl back since I really wanted a 9/10 only to take back. And as you will see What a great time I had. In-fact, going forward I am going to do this more than worry about taking someone to my room and worry about walk of shame etc. Esp. Given that I am always traveling for work and staying in top properties, with additional risk of bumping into a colleague.
Now the first thing that happened is not a go-go thing but possibly the most interesting part of the evening. I was given a sofa next to a sofa hosting a couple (customers). I had been watching the girl for almost 20 minutes and she was badly drunk, all over her BF, and in some sense even embarrassing him with her antics. At the same she she was definitely classy, and I (and other customers I am sure) were all eyeing her! I was very horny just looking at her dance, grope her BF, smooch him, and dry hump him. After 10 mintues or so the BF stepped out to take a call or something and this girl bended over to me and asked to buy her a drink! I teasingly asked her what will I get in return! She said nothing. Then she asked what do I want. I said I want a kiss. She gave me a peck on the lips but I said I want a full mouthed kiss with tongue. She turned away saying 'not happening'. In two minutes she turned around and said let me come back from the washroom and we can kiss. However, while getting out of her sofa, she comes over to mine, gives me a big wet kiss and goes to washroom. By the time she is back from washroom her BF is back too, I tried to flirt with her but her BF indicated to me to stay away! After 10 minutes they were leaving and BF walks up to me and said to me in a firm manner Dude, you were hitting at my girl. I said its actually the other way round -the she was hitting at me and I was just reciprocating. He then smiles and said he was going to fuck her wild tonight. Just taking my chances I proposed. If you want to do that why don't we make it a threesome! He laughed and asked if I was kidding and I said no, I am serious. He then said how much will you pay, and I asked him counter question how much he wants. I guess he was also quite drunk but for him possibly better sense prevailed and he just realized that possibly it was a slip on his part and walked out with his girl. I was seriously disappointed. All this while the girl was standing along with him and listening to this!
Now moving on to the bar girls. I first called a girl who was 19 yrs and really cute and firm. Possibly best girl there almost an 8. A bit shy though. Just started chatting with her and in a nearby corner I saw a girl giving a lap dance really grinding a customer. I asked this girl to give me a lap dance too but she said she is shy and won't be able to do it. So, I told the waitress to send me someone who will give a lap dance. Waitress went to the lady manager (who was dressed in suit and carrying a slideshow laser beam! She immediately shouted across the floor pointing the laser presentation beam on a girl and called her over. Now this is where the 2nd part of the fun began.
The girl 'Ada' had short blonde curly hair (more like Marlyn Munroe) and was wearing a white printed bikini. And man did she grind me. Front back, suffocating me with her boobs and everything. I was very horny. Trying to get my hands inside the elastic of her panty, even feeling the stuble near the top of her panties, and likewise I got my hands inside her bra. But all these actions were a bit camouflaged and not obvious. Refused to kiss but once when she was facing me and grinding me, she took out one of her boobs and pressed my mouth against them and I licked them nice. When not grinding she was licking my ears, groping me through trousers etc. This went on for almost 40-50 minutes when I asked her if she can get another girl she likes and is friendly with so as to grind me as well.
Here comes Lali, tall, a well-toned, red skirt, black bra. Ada said she will grind like a porn star. Ada sits on side, playing with me while Lali begins. You can almost say similar things as with Ada but now its 2 x. Both taking turns, groping me etc. However, Lali was more open to kissing and gave me a full-blown kiss. In between occassinally steeling a suck at lali's boobs and kisses, even Ada opened up and started kissing. So here I am being really fondled, grinded, and everything, being watched by smiling waitress and also the cleaner guy who would come often to clean the table. Since Lali was wearing a skirt, however short, I had more opportunity to rub her clit through panties without being noticed. This went on for another 30-40 minutes or maybe more. But it was not 2 x, it was much more since the acts got more intense.
I was sitting right across the dance stage. There were 5-6 girls there. Not really dancing but just standing there. There was this one girl, -tall-toned-attractive (7-8). I noticed she was constantly watching us. The moment I would look at her, she would turn her head away, having been caught watching. Later I tried to smile at her she smiled back. And then we were constantly staring at each other even though these two girls were at me. She was smiling back every time I would give her a seductive glance. I asked these girls to call her also! And from there it was 3 x fun. With new girl 'Yonel' grinding me, Ada and Lali on each side, and fondling, kissing, stealing nip sucks etc. And dry humping becoming more and more intense. In between my shirt disappeared without me realizing! And later Ada was strutting around the club in my shirt! My T-shirt was almost up always with girls working on my nipples!
I really had a hard time to put an end to things and go back to my room had an early work start next morning.
But some key takeaways for me.
I am a 55 year old Indian, seemingly to people in Thailand / Philipines I look like an Arab because of fair complexion. Am overall smart and fit but average+ in looks department.
All 3 girls were 7-8 range but had great attitude. Mind-blowing. I think you treat them with respect and they treat you well also. All 3 girls surreptitiously agreed to give their numbers also. I had thought I will try them next day. But eventually I could not find time. One thing I felt is don't always go for best girls, also look at girls who are really making an effort with you. I was lucky. I think I had best looks and attitude combination that day.
This PDA act was the best fun I have had in almost a decade of this kind of fun across multiple countries but mostly Thailand. Earlier I had always been focused on taking the girl to the room and not enjoyed the moment. This time the focus was enjoying the moments there only for long period and it was even better than just fucking a girl in your room.
The girls are there of course for money but they were not very greedy and pushy about ladies drinks etc. Every 10-15 minutes they or waitress would suggest and I would delay it by 5 minutes and order. Part of it could also be that traffic was not as heavy but then there weren't too many girls either. So it was a balanced demand / supply. In Thailand the girls want drink every 5 minutes, very pushy and impatient and they just walk off if you don't buy another one quickly.
Drinks were reasonably priced (120 PHP /2. 5 USD /180 INR for entry level beer San Miguel Light), 360 PHP /7. 5 USD / 540 INR for ladies drinks). Every time a drink was delivered, they got you to initial the receipt. There was no cheating. All in all between three girls, 2-2. 5 hrs of very good time (my undy was full of pre-cum whenever I went to pee!) I spent 6000 PHP / 120 USD / 9000 INR USD over 3 girls, including two of drinks for the waitress.
P.S. I genuinely do not have the numbers saved. I think I left them in the hotel drawer. Before anyone asks!Fantastic! An excellent experience. Thanks for the detailed post. Though bet the fist experience, if it would have gone thru, would have been the best!
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P.S. Covering the whole $$ question can be as brutal as asking directly how much she will need to meet you or more politely pointing out that she is coming a long way and won't be able to work while she's with you so it's only right that you give her something to make up for that.
G.Thanks very much for your feedback. This is my first time with Pinay land. Just wanted to make sure that I have the right expectations going in.
Sincerely.
Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:
(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?
(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.
(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.
I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.1. Very understandable and normal as most coming to Manila fear getting lost and don't really know how to transport themselves around. I like Cebu Pacific as they use terminal 3 which is easlier to navigate for new comers and all. Book Belmont hotel or Savoy Hotel for convience and easy access. You can easily taxi to MOA from Belmont or Savoy.
2. Country bumpkin isn't going to pull much on you. She is really at your mercy. She will probably arrived broke.
3. She may be wondering why waste money on 2 rooms? Foolishness to waste money when you can use it on her.
Good luck.
Thanks Sammon for the quick response. Couple of subtle details that I forgot to mention:
(1) The girl says that she will come to airport to meet and go to the room with me. However she wants me to book a hotel near MOA or airport. She says she is concerned about the travel from and to Cabanatuan. Is this normal ask?
(2) On Vibe -- we have done a few video calls already. She is 28 (shared her ID details) and not young which makes me nervous on what she can pull on me.
(3) I have asked her about separate rooms, and she suggests that we be in the same place with me.
I have had bookings and girls come to my room and leave. This is kinda new. Hence checking to make sure that I have covered all my bases.To answer point by point.
1. The girl in question is 28 years old and I am sure she has been to many places. I have had young 18 year old girls meet me at the airport with no problems. I have imported many by flights from provinces fly into Manila and wait for my flight. Some province girls just stay home because cannot travel with no finances. I am sure this one will ask you to send money for her travel. To send or not send is your decision. IMHO 90 percent of girls who come from far ask for money. Can you trust them to show up? It is a million dollar question. I have been cheated few times. That comes with our hobby.
2. You can trust Philippine women. I usually ask right away how much money per day etc. For me it is a business decision meeting the girl first time. Repeat meeting does not require negotiation. Lock up all your valuables. Do not trust anybody. Philippine women love sex. Enjoy with no worries. If you like her you can go shopping, enjoy a movie and dining out. It is like a girlfriend. Do not be scared. Unlike sone other countries where women can cause you problems Philippine is safe. You can call security if problems. Nothing money cannot fix.
3. Why separate rooms? Stay in the same room and enjoy with her. If you do not like her and want to get rid of her give the agreed amount and give some excuse saying you need to go somewhere etc. I have done that few times. One time after first night of great sex the girl had her period and would not allow sex the next day or the following day. I got rid of her and got another girl. Am I heartless? Maybe. I am there on vacation and do not want to waste time babysitting someone.
So they attempted to run the following charges: $1,291.48, another attempt at $1,291.48, then $895.26, $1,305.28 and another at the same amount $1,305.28.
Grand total of attempted, but declined charges was: $6,088.78, plus the one that did go through, but I got reversed of $2,711.55, for a grand, grand total of $8,800.33 in attempted charges by my good friends.
Yes, I did use my card at Lips and also at Dimples with zero issues. They ran exactly what they said they would, which was exactly what I bought.
Nautika on the other hand. NO, NO, NO.
Lesson learned.
Damn fun though! .
What a wild ride man. Definitely nothing that I'd try personally, but it's interesting to live vicariously through your story. Just out of curiosity, how much in total were they trying to charge to your card? Did you give your credit card to the previous place as well?
To answer point by point.
1. The girl in question is 28 years old and I am sure she has been to many places. I have had young 18 year old girls meet me at the airport with no problems. I have imported many by flights from provinces fly into Manila and wait for my flight. Some province girls just stay home because cannot travel with no finances. I am sure this one will ask you to send money for her travel. To send or not send is your decision. IMHO 90 percent of girls who come from far ask for money. Can you trust them to show up? It is a million dollar question. I have been cheated few times. That comes with our hobby.
Yes I have had similar experiences. Although I try and buy tickets direct or other expenses many of these girls will ask for money for food and security on the journey. When you add up the cost its the cost of a few drinks in a bar. Nothing to cry about. The ones that do show are usually very compliant as they are getting a payday well above the availability in many regional towns and cities, they get a nice holiday and they certainly don't want to be kicked to the curb from bad behaviour.
My admittedly limited experience is that girls are generally not super mobile, seeing how expensive (time-wise or money-wise) it is to move around the city. Crossing the city on the cheap (outside of the MRT / LRT system nodes) is an all-day adventure.
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