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[Member #4698]

If you cannot find a hottie BF in Sabang for the night, you are either way too picky or just not trying ... I then met Miss Sabang, and her friend Miss Sabang-Best Bikini Body (saw the sash in her room later that night). Kept them both for next 9 days.

As far as I'm concerned, Sabang has some goooooood pussy. C.
C,

Worthwhile diving, nice beaches (close by) for daytime activities and "goooooood pussy" for nightime adventures; that’s why I am thinking of going.

I have heard a few good things about Atlantis Dive resort which is right on the water and in the thick of things; also Mermaid Resort up on the hill. But what Sabang Beach hotels do you recommend?

Thanks, NB

[KongKing]

last march i posted a fairly comprehensive two-part report on cagayan de oro. see: postings 1078 and 1077 on 18th march in this forum.

just had a further few weeks there, overlapping with their fiesta week. the town is buzzing and booming. this updates a little on the hotels and on the nightclubs etc in my earlier report.

hotels
amongst others, i stayed at 4 moderately priced hotels that have opened in this last year: marigold, metro (opened this last week), new dawn, and victoria suites. it’s good to stay at new hotels knowing with some confidence that showers, water supply, air cons will work, and that the bedding has at least a little freshness about them.

marigold hotel: opened in april, this is in the landbank building, corner of velez and antonia luna streets, but it’s poorly signposted outside. they seem to be catering more for conferences and weddings than guests. their in-house restaurant was heavily “sorry sir, not available”. the free wi-fi was restricted to the reception and a few rooms. entrance to the reception on the 3rd floor could be regarded as a “walk of shame” for some when walking to the staff-heavy check-in. discounts on agoda, but promo prices from 1300p for a standard room including refrigerator and mini bar.

metro hotel: just opened last week and near the corner of antonio luna and capt vincent roa streets. it is just a 5 minute walk from limkitkai and gaisano malls. it is a little isolated from the action, surrounded by light industry. good new rooms, flat screen cable tv, wi-fi only in the foyer but free. coffee shop is with limited food. there seemed to be an over-supply of staff with too little to do and when they did, it was slow service. probably it’s good value at 1,180p for superior rooms and 1,880p for executive suites.

new dawne pensionne: opposite philtown hotel, on the corner of velez and macahambus streets, and not too far from the action. this was a 3 story in february (under the name of natures pensionne, velez) but is now a 7 story well managed hotel. there is wi-fi on all floors at 120p for six hours (cheaper than smartbro). no in-house restaurant but plenty nearby. 1080p for a superior room (but no refrigerator). ngood value.

victoria suites: neri street, divisoria. in march they had no generator (much needed in cdo!) and i was given a candle for the 5 hour brown-out! they now have a generator, much needed in a city that has irregular rolling brown-outs. the rooms are cramped.

i also spent time at kingston lodge. kingston lodge is located 1km up the road from the sm mall heading towards airport, and down a short rough side-road. for some this would be regarded as too isolated, but for me it was no problem and only a 100 peso ride to down town. rated no2 by feedback out of 21 hotels listed on trip advisor this is a favoured congregating place for local expats and visitors. a regular wednesday morning/lunch “yap yap” session would be attended by 20+ expats and some partners. it’s owned by a brit and an australian and their wives. they have great western food menu; rooms from 1000p up, and apartelles with kitchen facilities for longer term stayers at 1600p. good free wi-fi in most rooms facing the restaurant and two swimming pools. www.kingston-lodge.com


nightclubs
in my feb posting i enclosed a map of the downtown clubs, which i update here. i called in at most but not all. discovered two new (old) ones and found one, the exotic, had been burnt to the ground.

if you are looking for nice comfortable lounge seats try bada bing, gion, love oro, mics and mugs, spooks and thrives. if you are happy with the harder stackable chairs try coras 2 and 3, club 39, hot babes; fantastic is in between with its plastic and chrome wicker chairs.

there seemed to be more nudity this time than in the pre-election feb period. there are some real cuties and many of the younger nubiles are at the most down-and-out of bars!

i digress here. gez, is it me, or are there others like me who (perhaps as they get older) get more turned on by “fossae lumbales laterales” wtf? i mean “dimples of venus” (see photo below and wikipedia!). some guys are infatuated with boobs, others by butts, and me i seemed to have developed an infatuation for these love dimples. unlike the former two, you don’t normally see love dimples out in the street, but you certainly see it in the clubs. am i imagining it but are these love dimples more prevalent here in the philippines than other countries?? i digress even further, isn’t it great riding doggie looking down upon and holding onto those small hips and pressing those love dimples?! (wipes froth from mouth)

a few updated details from the clubs:

club 39: i missed this one in my feb review. it is on borja street between velez and tiano bros. 90p entrance and first drink. pretty basic but some cuties. three were prepared to pussy pick up the note in the neck of the bottle!

coras 2 and 3: 130p entrance including 3 smbs (or 2 smls). 170 ld, 1500 bf. some real cuties hang out in these run-down joints. and you may get a bj in the dark recesses for upwards of 500p.

gion: i did say last time i would not go back to this place, but one of my isg mates said it was outstanding so i dropped by at 11pm on a friday night. it is a comfortable lounge but only 4 others there. first ladies drink was, yes, still 675p!! gez! a filipino bought a ladies drink, had a girl with him for less than 15 minutes and away she went dancing. i am not crazy about these places, like fantastic, with the wrap around front, back and sideways mirrors, with the dancer spending most of her time preening herself in the mirror and ignoring her customers. but there were indeed some nice ladies and outstanding love dimples!

hot babes: tucked away on burgos street near the corner with j.r. borja street. i missed this one in my earlier report. some isg members have had a good time here. pretty basic, few girls, young and good looking.

love city oro: 110p plus added vat. 250p ld (much better than previous times). good dancing and range of girls but slow going on a tuesday night.

mics and mugs: 50p entrance plus 65p for sml. ld 250p and 3500p for bar fine but nothing worthy of that on the night i was there.

nu wave: (the old ontic) opposite bada bing. ld 375p first, 275p second every half hour. this time i was not pestered by the bayotsan (ladyboy mamasan). if you want milf types this is the one; only a few young ones.

spooks: pretty busy the nights i was there and still the congregation for a handful of visiting and local foreigners. at 9pm there is a parade of the girls and the 3 nights i was there including a tuesday there were over 20. no entrance fee, beers 65p or 45p in happy hour (i think before 10pm). this is still my pick for the selection, the dancing (candle dance and shower dance after midnight on a friday and saturday) and for value for money. a good selection of imported canned beer is also available.

thrives: 105p first beer. about 15 girls on a tuesday, some hotties. 250p ld, 3500bf.


other aspects
cdo probably has the worst drivers in the country, and that’s saying something! pedestrians take care.

macarthur's park alongside the provincial capital building and gaston park are good areas for casual meetings with friendly locals. there is an active “do you want a chick” street scene in taino bros and capistrano street but watch out for **** and disease.

i found a good non prescription pharmacy called boticas, alongside coras 3 on tiano bros street selling all kinds of chinese male vitamins. try “true hero”, six tablets 200p, really up-standing.

if you are looking for a good relaxing entertainment centre, live bands, where you can take your partner try new zax on ebarte street. also silver rain on divisoria (see earlier report) is a high energy disco but i am getting a bit beyond that!

as for me i was well occupied with some lovely chat-mates, but that is another (unpublished) story!

kongking

[GoodEnough]

KK another outstanding, helpful report. I think you've probably been to about 400% more places than I have in CDO and I'm there at least once a month. However, I would strongly disagree about CDO drivers being the worst. I don't think you've spent quite enough time in Davao where the drivers are much, much worse.

GE

[Nvslim]

I digress here. Gez, is it me, or are there others like me who (perhaps as they get older) get more turned on by “fossae lumbales laterales” WTF? I mean “dimples of venus” (see photo below and Wikipedia!). Some guys are infatuated with boobs, others by butts, and me I seemed to have developed an infatuation for these love dimples. Unlike the former two, you don’t normally see love dimples out in the street, but you certainly see it in the clubs. Am I imagining it but are these love dimples more prevalent here in the Philippines than other countries?? I digress even further, isn’t it great riding doggie looking down upon and holding onto those small hips and pressing those love dimples?! (wipes froth from mouth)



I have been fascinate by these devilish little dimples for over 40 years but never knew they had a name. I have found them most prevalent on slimmer, more petite women.

So, you are not alone.

Slim

P.S. Found a free pic for you

[Whatsgoingon]

I have been fascinate by these devilish little dimples for over 40 years but never knew they had a name. I have found them most prevalent on slimmer, more petite women.

So, you are not alone.

Slim

P.S. Found a free pic for you

Nope he is not alone. I like them too, find them really sexy.....

[Nightrider1]

Nice report about CDO by kong king so I thought I would add my thoughts about some of the hotels and eating places I have been to in my 10 visits to this city. All these hotels I stay at are in divasoria within walking distance of the center of town. The only hotel I would stay away from is Lamarr Inn which is across the street from VIP. One morning I woke up to find a large mango skin about 10 feet from the waste basket I had put it in the night before . I am thinking the only thing large enough to take it there would be rat, and ten min later I had checked out never to return. I think Grand City is an ok place and seems to cater to the business traveler and has a nice bar and restaurant . Their breakfast is a buffet for 150 P and a good value. Phil Town I did not care for because they have central air con and no way to adjust how cold it is in your room. Casa Christalia is older place but clean and only about 800 for a room with a big ( as they say matrimonial ) bed. Pleasant staff too. If you want to avoid the walk of shame stay at Natures Pensionne which is in back of Grand City hotel. Some of their rooms you gain entrance to without going through the lobby.
I will agree that New Dawn Pensonne is the best value in Divasoris. New and clean and great flat screen TV reception. Seems the word has gotten out about this place cause the last 2 times they were fully booked so maybe reservations are the thing to do now.

Restaurants
Dear Manok has good food and as their name suggests specializes in bbq chicken but their other offerings are good too. I like the boneless’ bangus .
Thai Me Up is a new place and has a nice atmosphere. And of course specializes in thai dishes. I can’t believe that name was thought up by a Filipino..Did not think they had that much creativity..lol.. Only drawback is that it seems like all their offerings are good for 2 or 4 people..I was there alone one night and asked the waitress if I could just get one serving. Of course that blew her mind and she scurried back to ask someone and came back saying no.. So I asked her if she could join me for dinner. ( don’t hurt to try right ?) More giggles from her but I ate alone. I asked for a take out bag and gave what was left to a street person so it would not be wasted.. Good karma I am thinking.

Bars
I am not a bar person and prefer to meet DIA chat mates even if the success ratio is not 100% but I do stop at a little hole in the wall place called AnnAnn”s which is on a street close to Mc Donalds. The owners are a husband and wife who are nice and friendly. Seems there is always one or two expats there having a san mig so nice place to talk and see what info they can tell you. There you can also watch the ladies of the evening on the street corner but they seem to be too old and worn for me.

My 16th trip to Phil for four weeks starts tomorrow so as Peter, Paul and Mary ( if you know who they are you’re an old fart just like me) used to sing “ My bags are packed ,I’m ready to go “

[Yella Man]

Anyone in Puerto Galera in October? Be glad to meet for drinks and to share stories. Just PM.

YM

[Devils 1]

hopefully this will serve as a complete guide for those of you looking to spend time in boracay. i have spent more than 30 days there over the past couple of years. one of my buddies spent the entire summer there in 2010, so i got a lot of this info from him.

boracay is a very small island. there are almost no cars on the island and most of the transport is done with trikes. there is one main road on the island that runs from one end to the other. most commonly people walk to the beach and follow the path in front of the beach to go everywhere. you do not have to know how to get anywhere, you just tell the trike driver where you want go and he will take you. the center point of the island is a place called d'mall. it is a small pedestrian mall in the middle of the action that leads from the main road to the beach. boracay is organized by location of the beach you are on. these different locations are numbered "boat station 1-4" (maybe less or more than 4). the center of everything is boat station 2. so when booking a hotel try to find something in station 2. the other beaches have names, these are on the other parts of the island and farther away from the action. i would advise against staying anywhere that you have to take a trike just to get to the beach!

the attitude of boracay is a lazy and friendly beach atmosphere. the filipinos here are very smart, educated and friendly. they understand that foreigners are there to have a good time and to meet women. they will all welcome you and are easy to make friends with. the most popular activity on boracay is kite boarding. basically surfing while being pulled by a parachute. because of this people come form all over the world to kiteboard and party. keep this in mind when you are out and about because most of the foreigners are there for the day time activity rather than the p4p scene.

bars:

the most well known p4p place is cocomangos. it is on the main road 5-10 minute trike ride from d mall. cocomangos is a loud and dirty dance bar. all the p4p women in boracay will definitely make an appearance here. this place does not usually get going until after 10 pm and sometimes later. there are every size and shape of women here, ranging from model quality to fat old ladies. do not assume that a girl is a p4p girl, but do not assume that she is unattainable. if you see something you like you must give it a shot to know for sure.

perar - this is directly across the road from cocomangos. it is a really cool and friendly dance type club. the floor is covered with sand and the back of the bar opens on to the beach. the tables are set up like big hard beds, with lots of pillows. you are meant to sit on the beds with a small table in front of you to eat and drink from. i guess the idea is persian kind of a harem feel, hence the name. a lot of the p4p girls from across the road will come here at some point in the night because the music is good and the mood is fun.

juice bar - this is located on the beach at boat station 2. they play loud dance music and have a very friendly atmosphere. it is easy to meet people here and get to know the locals and other travelers. this is a later place and does not get going until after midnight.

hey jude - this is a local hang out type of bar, they play casual music. it is very small and relaxed. kind of a neighborhood pub type of feel. it is very cheap and a comfortable place to hang out. in a magazine i read on the airplane most of the rich and famous from manila named this as the bar they like the most.

something else worth mentioning is there are a lot of women who walk up and down the beach after dark offering services to men. some of these women might be ok, while a lot of them are ladyboys. basically these are the boracay version of streetwalkers. beware that some of them are ladyboys, **** or any other kind of trouble!

massage parlors - there are a lot of massage parlors in boracay. from my knowledge none of them offer extra services.

to sum all of this up: if you are looking for a woman go to cocomangos or perar. if you have a woman and want to party with her go to juice bar or hey jude. if you are looking for an ac type of atmosphere with a beach than boracay is not for you, but if you want to have a beautiful beach with the chance for some p4p you should be able to find it in boracay.

restaurants:

aria - italian this is at the end of d'mall where it meets the beach. excellent food, opened almost all of the time and a great place to sit on the beach and watch the women walk by.

jammers - this is a little sandwich type place right on the beach to the left of d'mall as you approach the beach. they have very good, hamburgers, sandwiches and everything simple. the food is fast, high quality and cheap. there specialty is buka shake. which is a shake made from fresh coconut. you must try it, you have not been to boracay until you have had a buka shake!

kasbah - this is very far down the beach and very difficult to find. they serve middle eastern food. i am not middle eastern and have never been to the middle east but they have some of the best food here i have had anywhere on the planet. it is small and quiet and very reasonably priced. they serve a stewed lamb that is out of this world.

cyma - this is a greek restaurant that is on d'mall. the food is fresh and unique. good prices and excellent quality. just ask people on d'mall how to find it.

just about all of the restaurants on d'mall will have good food. so you should not be disappointed anywhere you go. some of the places on the beach have fresh seafood and will grill it while you wait.

hotels:

there are a huge number of hotels to choose from some of the nicer ones like the shangri la will cost as much as $300 per night. and the quality will definitely match. but for the best deals on mid-price hotels check agoda and find something near boat station 2. a mid range hotel i can recommend is the tides. they will run @ $100 per night. it is very nice with a great location.

also i have checked out the red coconut. it is located on the beach right in front of d'mall. if you are going for a longer time i would book a couple of days in a hotel and spend some time finding a nice apartment that you can rent by the week or month.

hopefully this will give you enough info to get thru your first couple of days. the most important thing i can say is boracay is hit or miss when it comes to women. i was there in may and june and it was full of women. when i went back in july it was like a ghost town. i would recommend the old filipino insurance policy. go there by yourself for 2-3 days. if you don’t find anything you like then call up the all star you met in manila or ac and fly her in. boracays reputation is so huge with filipino people that they will do almost anything to get there. the two women i have taken there in the past were so turned on and horny to be there that they fucked me senseless. the prices to travel and stay in boracay are so far out of the average filipinos price range that they could never go on their own….so you have a huge incentive to dangle for any girl you might consider taking with you!

if you have other questions not covered here, post them or pm me.

[Sir Lancelot]

day 7: puerto galera

the trip to puerto galera was easier than expected. a two hour bus-ride to batangas was followed by a short ferry trip to mindoro. the ferry landed on the beach at sabang, so i collected my luggage and found a good room at sonny's inn for 1300 pesos a night. it was large with a separate kitchen and a balcony with a sea-view.

sabang is a small town within a scenic bay, visited mainly by divers who go on boat-trips to the surrounding islands. there is a narrow walkway stretching along the beach from which all of the restaurants, bars, shops and hotels are accessed. surprisingly given the size and ambience of the place, there are also half a dozen gogo bars (called 'discos' here).

after a leisurely walk, i breathed in the fresh air and decided that sabang was exactly what i needed. i dropped off some laundry and then ate a spicy sea-food dish at eddie's. it was so spicy i had to hastily order a few bottles of sprite and gulp them down. once my mouth had cooled down, i went to see what sabang had to offer in the way of nightlife.

the first gogo i went to was pink panther. only two girls were dancing and before i had even taken a sip from my beer, i was joined by a girl called denise. as much as i sometimes like a bit of flesh on the bone, there's a fine line between 'curvy' and 'chubby' and this girl had crossed it. she was a nice girl though so i bought her a drink. there were 15 girls rep001tered around the bar, including a few i liked the look of. i watched a girl do a spectacular solo dance routine that included doing the splits. given my injury, just watcing made my eyes water! the bar-fine here was 1000 pesos with a further 1000 pesos going to the girl.

after a few drinks i walked the short distance to sabang disco. it was darker with stools surrounding a long stage. again only two or three were dancing but there were probably about 20 dotted around the perimeter, trying to latch on to customers. soon i was clinking bottles with a pretty girl called lin, who had dark curly hair and a nice face. she was a real sweetheart and definitely the type of girl i would consider bar-fining, if i was fit to do so. i also had fun with a group of four girls sat opposite. one of them was leaning against her hand looking bored, so i mimicked her, much to her (and her friends) amusement. there were some nice girls in here, including one babe with a killer body who compared favourably to most i had seen in angeles.

as much as i love visiting gogo bars, it just isn't the same when you subtract the thrill of wondering who you will end up fucking. it was about midnight so i decided to head back to my hotel for an early night. i felt happily buzzed from half a dozen san miguel beers as i walked along the beach back to my room.


day 8: puerto galera

switching effortlessly in to 'tourist mode', i decided to spend the day on a boat trip. i chartered a small boat but told the owner that i needed to get breakfast first so i'd be back in fifteen minutes. i went to eddies and ordered 'french toast & coffee' from the menu. the french toast arrived with honey, so i polished that off, but where was the coffee? it was taking too long so i went to pay the bill but noticed that it was for the full amount. i politely pointed out to the waitress that i didn't get any coffee but she got shirty and told me that i had to pay the full amount. ordinarily i might have argued my case, perhaps suggesting that i could get a free coffee on my next visit, but i was in a relaxed frame of mind and didn't want any negativity. i also didn't want to waste time quibbling over a few pesos when i was in a rush to go on a boat trip.

i spent the day exploring the islands, swimming in the warm water and sunbathing on a nearby beach. i could get used to being a tourist! there were also encouraging signs that my injury was getting better, as the bruising felt less sore. maybe it was the sea air or the relaxed vibes, or maybe even good karma after my good deed in manila? whatever the reason, i was excited that in a few days i would be shagging pretty filipino girls again. i found an internet cafe and booked a flight to cebu. no rest for the wicked.

that night i ate at a sea-food restaurant overlooking the bay. although sabang is a divers resort, there were two old gents, eating on their own, taking a keen interest in the passing 'traffic' on the beach. when i paid my bill, i made sure i told the manager how friendly and attentive the two young waitresses had been. as i was doing so, a cigarette promo girl walked past who was undoubtedly the prettiest girl i had seen on the trip so far (even beating 'miss perfect', which is quite a feat given her name). she was wearing a cowboy hat and see-through sari with white underwear beneath. she had a 'wow' face and a 'wow' body too - a definite 10/10 girl. i felt a stirring in my pants, which pleasingly wasn't followed by a sharp pain - my groin injury was getting better. :)

it was gogo time. i opted to visit philippine village first. there were more girls than the bars i visited the night before, with six dancing on stage and lots more on the sidelines. a pretty young girl called ella sat beside me and whispered in my ear "you are gwapo" (handsome). she had braces on her teeth, a cute appeal and large boobs hidden away beneath an unflattering dress. when it was her turn to dance, some of the other girls laughed at her attempts at dancing sexily. this told me that she was new to the bar... in other words, just my kind of girl. i considered bar-fining her, but decided against it. it was maybe a day too soon to resume my sexual escapades and i didn't want to jeopardise the cebu leg of my tour. it was a shame, ella was extremely fuckable.

all of sabang's gogos are close to each other. next i went to venus which had plenty of girls, although only three were dancing. i was joined by a dark-skinned beauty called lorraine, who minutes earlier had been doing splits on the stage. my mind raced, wondering what fun i could have back in my hotel room with someone so supple. she had a gorgeous face and what thommo might describe as 'slutty eyes'. i bought her a drink and discovered that the bar-fine here, like other places in sabang, was 1000 pesos with a further 1000 going to the girl. fair prices i think, given the talent that can be found. lorraine introduced me to her friend, who was a 6/10 but one of those girls whose boobs you just want to bury your face in to. the sexiest girl though was sat nearby, with smouldering dark eyes and a stunning face. venus definitely has some talent.

i decided that it was time to go back to my hotel to get some sleep. i had only been to two bars but i saw at least three beauties who i would bar-fine quicker than you could say "drink for the lady, sir?". the gogo scene in sabang may be much smaller than manila and angeles (maybe half a dozen bars), but there are some pretty girls to be found. in fact, if you're looking for somewhere nice to escape manila or angeles for a few days, where you can breathe fresh air and pretend to be a tourist for a while, sabang is definitely a viable option, with good looking girls to be found at cheap prices (p2000, all in).

as for freelancers, i think you can forget eddies. i walked past there probably a dozen times and only once did i see an unaccompanied filipino girl, and she was probably in her 40's. apparently the venue (above venus) is a popular disco, especially when the gogos close, but i didn't actually go inside myself. near the gogos are numerous massage places which stay open till late. there are lots of girls sat outside and given some of the cheeky comments i received, i'm sure that 'extras' could be negotiated.

all in all, puerto galera had been a nice surprise.

[Starchild2012]

Hopefully this will serve as a complete guide for those of you looking to spend time in boracay. I have spent more than 30 days there over the past couple of years. One of my buddies spent the entire summer there in 2010, so I got a lot of this info from him.



Thanks Devils 1 for the great info and location advice on Boracay.

[Starchild2012]

DAY 7: Puerto Galera

The trip to Puerto Galera was easier than expected. A two hour bus-ride to Batangas was followed by a short ferry trip to Mindoro. The ferry landed on the beach at Sabang, so I collected my luggage and found a good room at Sonny's Inn for 1300 pesos a night. It was large with a separate kitchen and a balcony with a sea-view.



Great Report lance...looking forward to your trip in Cebu :)

[Brastrav]

Sir Lancelot,

Thanks for your tripreports. I really love reading them. They are written very well and if they would be printed in a book, it would be a "page turner" for sure. Also, your tripreports contains some information, but not that much.

Is it possible to post some information here?
- About the bus companies for a ride from Manila to Batangas City.
- About the ferry between Batangas City and Puerto Galera.
- Hotels and resorts you can advice.
- The costs of all this.
- Any other information is also very welcome.

Many thanks in advance...


DAY 7: Puerto Galera

The trip to Puerto Galera was easier than expected. A two hour bus-ride to Batangas was followed by a short ferry trip to Mindoro. The ferry landed on the beach at Sabang, so I collected my luggage and found a good room at Sonny's Inn for 1300 pesos a night. It was large with a separate kitchen and a balcony with a sea-view.

[Questor55]

Sir Lancelot,

Thanks for your tripreports. I really love reading them. They are written very well and if they would be printed in a book, it would be a "page turner" for sure. Also, your tripreports contains some information, but not that much.

Is it possible to post some information here?
- About the bus companies for a ride from Manila to Batangas City.
- About the ferry between Batangas City and Puerto Galera.
- Hotels and resorts you can advice.
- The costs of all this.
- Any other information is also very welcome.

Many thanks in advance...Aside from being admonished to RTFF, or to stop being a lazy fuck and do your own online research, a good guide book is well worthwhile.

My bible is titled "Philippines Travel Guide". It's translated from German. Authour is Jens Peters. Ask for it at any National Book Store

Location. If they don't have it, ask them to use the computer to find you a copy. A bargain at about 1200 pisos.

[Red Kilt]

Great Report lance...looking forward to your trip in Cebu :)

Sir Lancelot,
Can you ensure your reports are up-dated trip reports though.
Many of us here have already read yours and Thommo's reports on Whorist.com so please don't just cut and paste reports from 2008 - 2009.
I am sure I read about the damaged groin at least 18 months ago on whorist.com.
And the report containing exploits in LA Cafe was written way before it was closed down earlier this year.

Always great to get new and updated reports but we don't really need out-dated ones.

[Sir Lancelot]

Sir Lancelot,

Can you ensure your reports are up-dated trip reports though.

Many of us here have already read yours and Thommo's reports on Whorist.com so please don't just cut and paste reports from 2008. 2009.

I am sure I read about the damaged groin at least 18 months ago on whorist.com.

And the report containing exploits in LA Cafe was written way before it was closed down earlier this year.

Always great to get new and updated reports but we don't really need out-dated ones.Hello. Apologies that my diary is a little out-of-date. I wrote it for another website but it's only recently that I've become a member on this site.

However, it wasn't copied and pasted from 2008/09. It was actually written in March and April this year. So although LA Cafe has since closed (and re-opened in another guise?) I thought a lot of the information was still relevant and prices still fairly accurate. Also, since it was my first trip to Philippines, I thought it might be quite interesting for other first-timers to read.

Also, not that you've suggested otherwise, I can assure you that it was written by me. I shall post photos at a later date that were never published on whorist.com.

Thanks for your feedback though. Still trying to get the hang of this forum!

[Sir Lancelot]

Sir Lancelot,

Thanks for your tripreports. I really love reading them. They are written very well and if they would be printed in a book, it would be a "page turner" for sure. Also, your tripreports contains some information, but not that much.

Is it possible to post some information here?
- About the bus companies for a ride from Manila to Batangas City.
- About the ferry between Batangas City and Puerto Galera.
- Hotels and resorts you can advice.
- The costs of all this.
- Any other information is also very welcome.

Many thanks in advance...Firstly, many thanks for your compliment. On the advice of a few people, I've actually turned all of my diaries (2 x Thailand, 1 x Phils) in to pdf diaries, including all of the photos. I'm still trying to work out this site but may post a link in the classified section.

In answer to your questions:

- I got an ALPS bus from Manila to Batangas. Unlike Bangkok for example, Manila doesn't have a central bus-station, instead lots of private operators. ALPS is based very close to Intramuros. It took three hours and is a pretty enjoyable trip once you leave the mayhem of Manila. I'm afraid I can't recall the price but it was pretty cheap.

- Similarly I can't recall the cost of the ferry from Batangas to Sabang but it took about an hour. It pulls up right on the beach and you can walk to any of the hotels. The boat stops right next to 'Eddies bar and restaurant' and the hotel I chose to stay at, Sabang Beach Hotel, is to the left, a three minute walk down. Rooms cost 1300 baht and were really spacious and clean with a separate kitchen area and balcony. I'd definitely recommend it.

- As I said in my report, I think Sabang is a nice balance of tourism and girlie action. The talent of girls was impressive at the gogo bars and the prices not too inflated (refreshing considering it's a touristy places). My favourite bar was Venus. It seemed to be the busiest with the most girls and the prettiest ones too. However, all of the gogo bars (called Disco's in Sabang) are very close to each other, so just go for a bit of a bar-crawl, have a few drinks and enjoy yourself!

[Vandaddio]

Anyone have up to date report of experience of puerto galera area?

i appreciate Sir Lancelots , however a couple years old.

Hotel with nice beach in front and not noisey with street noise or boats?

Prices?

Cheers

[Sir Lancelot]

Anyone have up to date report of experience of puerto galera area?

i appreciate Sir Lancelots , however a couple years old.

Hotel with nice beach in front and not noisey with street noise or boats?

Prices?

CheersI assure you that my report is not a couple of years old. Red Kilt got his dates mixed up, the part when I was in Puerto Galera was written at the end of March THIS YEAR.

In answer to your question, if you're staying in Sabang, once you jump off the ferry, turn left and there are lots of nice hotels within a five minute walk of the main action area. Some have swimming pools and it's quite peaceful at that end of the beach. My room cost 1300 baht per night (see below) and was really spacious with it's own balcony. There are plenty of hotels - you don't even need to book in advance - just turn up, try one you like the look of and if they don't have any vacancies, move on to the next one.

Enjoy your trip.

[Vandaddio]

Thank you Sir Lancelot.

And I do intend to, hehehe.

[X Man]

Huh?

"if you're staying in Sabang, once you jump off the ferry, turn left and there are lots of nice hotels within a five minute walk of the main action area. "

You mean the ferry now goes directly to the beach??? It's been many years but my recollection is a ferry from Batangas Pier to Puerto Galera port town, and then a rough, sometimes muddy ride thru the jungle, over a hill, and on to the other side of the island to the Sabang area. Jeepney gets stuck in the mud...guess who gets to push the damn thing out.

I think there were three beaches, and at least one required wading thru ocean surf if it was high tide.

Of course you can always hire a private boat to get around, possibly even from the port. The Verdes passage is sometimes rough, on my one and only trip the ferry was delayed because of rough water.

Oh, and I remember high intensity sales people on the ferry trying to get you into certain hotels.

X


I assure you that my report is not a couple of years old. Red Kilt got his dates mixed up, the part when I was in Puerto Galera was written at the end of March THIS YEAR.

In answer to your question, if you're staying in Sabang, once you jump off the ferry, turn left and there are lots of nice hotels within a five minute walk of the main action area. Some have swimming pools and it's quite peaceful at that end of the beach. My room cost 1300 baht per night (see below) and was really spacious with it's own balcony. There are plenty of hotels - you don't even need to book in advance - just turn up, try one you like the look of and if they don't have any vacancies, move on to the next one.

Enjoy your trip.

[Vandaddio]

How many ATMchines in Sabang and Puerto Galera area?

Or is it cash and carry kinda place?

[Sir Lancelot]

You mean the ferry now goes directly to the beach??? It's been many years but my recollection is a ferry from Batangas Pier to Puerto Galera port town, and then a rough, sometimes muddy ride thru the jungle, over a hill, and on to the other side of the island to the Sabang area. Jeepney gets stuck in the mud...guess who gets to push the damn thing out.

XYeah, I got a ferry from the ticket office in Batangas and it took me directly to the beach in Sabang. I did specify Sabang when I bought the ticket though, not Puerto Galera. It wasn't some kind of arrangement with a privately hired boat either - it was a large boat with probably 40 people on it, including tourists and Filipino families.

It pulled right up on the beach, in front of Eddies - couldn't be more convenient. Of course the problem with this (as you alluded to) is that you get mobbed with touts for the hotels on your arrival. I just walked past them and said "I have hotel, thank you".

[X Man]

Well that is interesting! Things do change.

As for touts, I remember they hounded people on the ferry for the entire trip - back in the day.


Yeah, I got a ferry from the ticket office in Batangas and it took me directly to the beach in Sabang. I did specify Sabang when I bought the ticket though, not Puerto Galera. It wasn't some kind of arrangement with a privately hired boat either - it was a large boat with probably 40 people on it, including tourists and Filipino families.

It pulled right up on the beach, in front of Eddies - couldn't be more convenient. Of course the problem with this (as you alluded to) is that you get mobbed with touts for the hotels on your arrival. I just walked past them and said "I have hotel, thank you".

[Sir Lancelot]

Well that is interesting! Things do change.

As for touts, I remember they hounded people on the ferry for the entire trip - back in the day.As I wrote in my diary, I think Sabang is a worthwhile 'escape' from the mayhem of Manila, or Angeles. It's not far away, has a nice ambience, good food and there are some interesting diversions for beginners like me who like to dilute their whorism with a bit of tourism :).

But what surprised me was that the girlie scene was more than adequate too (so long as you like gogos). It's not a huge scene but there are enough places to keep you entertained for, say, three nights. I saw some really pretty girls and the prices were reasonable too.

[Econo Tech]

Yeah, I got a ferry from the ticket office in Batangas and it took me directly to the beach in Sabang. I did specify Sabang when I bought the ticket though, not Puerto Galera. It wasn't some kind of arrangement with a privately hired boat either - it was a large boat with probably 40 people on it, including tourists and Filipino families. Those are the banca's with outriggers. Actually, if you get a trip through swagman, the guide has a book with all the hotels with pictures, so you can choose

Alternate, choose big apple dive, or a refined place. Portofino (google) the manager of Portofino. Chuck is a very hospitable guy.

Avoid "Oriental Hill resort" as you really need to walk up a long flight of stairs. More or less, the hotel is visible on the left side of the beach when you reaching the white beach.

[Econo Tech]

How many ATMchines in Sabang and Puerto Galera area?

Or is it cash and carry kinda place?You are kidding mate? ATM and PG don't go in the same sentence.

It is cash and carry, and only in the PG town proper I heard there is an ATM but never saw it.

The Sabang Beach area is like more than a wee distance away. Better to stick to card for payments (they do whack the 5% surcharge) and carry US$ or Euro. There are enough money changers, but I would be vary to change large amounts of money.

[MauiDude]

How many ATMchines in Sabang and Puerto Galera area?

Or is it cash and carry kinda place?I think its more cash and carry. But I did hear of an atm off the muelle area of Puerto Galera?

Not sure I have heard sometimes guys go back and forth to batangas to use an atm? But then afriend told me that he had used an atm in puerto galera. Walking into the town(or main street from the pier (muelle? Not sure of spelling)

[Horn Dog7]

I have been to Puerto Galera (PG) many times as I am a diver and that area is a popular scuba diving destination. Unlike most scuba diving destinations where the night life is really quiet after 10PM, there is the tiny village of Sabang..and banging is easy to do. There are about 7 discos which are GoGo bars with mamsans & such. As of last year 2009 the bar fine was 1000 PHP. There are quite a few cute girsl but beware of the Koreans who come in masses and can clean a place out early. A lot of them stay at this massive place built into a cliff about a 15 minute walk down the beach from the village. I usually stay at a dive place on Small Laguna Beach about a 7 minute walk to the Sabang discos. You don't have to stay in the village. If you are walking with a lady home along the beach at night bring a pocket flashlight to make your life easier as you will probably be half hammered as well. Getting there form Manila is easy. Check out http://si-katferrybus.com/schedules_rates.php. They have a bus service that the leavesCity State Tower, Mabini St., Ermita, Manila every morning and icludes the ferry trip for 700 PHP each way. Stay at the hotel for a night and have fun at the LA Cafe (Now Manila Cafe) a few blocks away.

[Vandaddio]

Hope everyone remains safe during this huge typhoon Juan that is going slam the coast tonight.

Stay out of the boats until the seas calm down.

[Econo Tech]

If you are walking with a lady home along the beach at night bring a pocket flashlight to make your life easier as you will probably be half hammered as well. As I did find out - I had to wade in almost knee deep water, when I was coming back from Portofina -Small Laguna - and the tide was rising.

[Tally Wacker]

I will be taking my Filipina gf who is located in Ac at the moment to possibly Palawan or another nice place for 2-weeks in December. If you have been to Palawan can you give me some insight to where to stay or what to expect there?

Are there other nice secluded beach and island places to visit instead that you would suggest?

Also is it better to fly out of Manila than AC to get to theses places in terms of airfare cost?

I would like to hangout at a nice slow paced area with nice comforts close to the everyday life in the area.

[Questor55]

I will be taking my Filipina gf who is located in Ac at the moment to possibly Palawan or another nice place for 2-weeks in December. If you have been to Palawan can you give me some insight to where to stay or what to expect there?

Are there other nice secluded beach and island places to visit instead that you would suggest?

Also is it better to fly out of Manila than AC to get to theses places in terms of airfare cost?

I would like to hangout at a nice slow paced area with nice comforts close to the everyday life in the area.Definitely fly out of Manila. Either to Puerta Princessa, or to El Nido.

I doubt that any flights go to Palawan from A C.

In terms of being close to a nice hangout place, El Nido would be best.

Spectacular scenery, a wide range of resorts, from cheap and cheerful up to international standards and prices.

For sure, do some online research for lots of good info. I also suggest looking at 'Trip Advisor' for accommodation options.

I spent over a week island hopping and snorkeling in the nearby Bacuit Archipelago. Absolutely one of the world's great destinations !

[Vandaddio]

What is a better area for a older guy who wants a deluxe quality beach bungalow, with air con and sat t/v and wifi? White beach/sabang/or others.

I, m not into disco but a taxi ride to score a over nighter in sabang bar a few times a week is in the plan. But I like variety in resturants so not a isolated resort. I was just going to go to sabang, and then look around, but after searching a bit white beach looks okay also. But not sure how far from the action in taxi?

[Shark San]

Mongers,

Spent a two day / night ride in Sabang last week. The majority of SirLancelot's report rings true. However, here's a couple of things to update.

High season is considered November-March-ish, so the hotel rates go up but the p4p rates don't. However, this also means a lot more mongers in the gogo bars, where 90% of the action is. FL can be found, or should I say will find you if you wander around long enough. Beware though that these girls either just got fired from the last gogo bar she worked at or can't get a gig at the bar. So trust 'them at your own peril. Met an adorable (busty, slightly chubby) FL w/ DSL while parked at Eddie's for a break from the bars. Woulda coulda shoulda on that one. Still kicking myself for being a good boy.

Getting there is not as bad as it sounds (Si-Kat is at least semi-organized about it. They'll get you there, eventually) but to soften the pain, try to go on an off-traffic day, like Sunday. And stay for more than one day, make it like three or four, that way the four-hour trip doesn't seem so awful. Be advised that they tell you the boat is leaving at 11:15 but they don't leave until they have enough passengers to justify a trip. So get the pesky touts off your back by splurging for a bag of San Miguel and put your feet up. Plenty of beaver in this place to keep all but the extremely spoiled and choosy monger occupied, more on that in a minute. Bus leaves at 8:00 am from Citystate, which is a shit hotel in my opinion unless you get a room above the 6th floor. Fucking hate that place. City Garden Suites just down the street is way way way better for about the same money. Or be cheap. Whatever, I don't care how you spend your money. Just a heads up.

Around 7:00 pm the bars get rolling. The Korean Subject. Yes, they're pretty prominent (even during off-season), and yes, they're. Um. Not the kind of people I would prefer to spend any of my time near or around, but they generally keep to themselves and double-yes, they are the first mongers in the joint. These clowns throw money around and assume macho poses. Whatever. Ignore them and they'll reciprocate. Actually had a couple of guys in their mind-20s try to chat me up, asking about PG town. Sorry kids, can't help ya there. Interesting little scene happened first night. I took a stroll down the eastern side of the beach (toward Sonny's), which is the other "Korean area" in town, where they play pool in the bars and karaoke and whatever it is they do. On the way down, I spied a group of guys with their WGs and it appeared one of the girls was really getting into it with the Korean guy. Everybody was standing up and the K-guy was yelling in Korean. So I beat a loop back to Eddie's, rightly thinking I wanted no part of what was going down. I had just stepped up to Eddie's when a pack of shirtless local guys came screaming down from the west end of the beach, headed toward Sonny's. Then another wave of 'them came. These dudes were fucking flying, man. Serious shit going down with the Ks, for sure. I posted up and had a beer and waiting for word on what was going down. Then a couple of serious-looking local dudes cruised down that way. Twenty minutes later, the FL I mentioned earlier came in and gave me the scoop. Apparently the K-guy had insulted the girl, she tossed a beer on him, he broke a bottle and managed to cut her leg (how the fuck that happened, I have no idea), she got on her cell and called her local boy and to wrap it all up, no punches were thrown and the matter was settled amicably by the local chiefs.

OK. The WGs. At the time I was there, they outnumbered mongers by 30-1. No joke. The discos packed with 18-25 y/o girls on stage, lining the bar. Range: 6 to 9s, depending upon taste. Lots of 8s with great attitudes. 1000 bf, 1000 to the WG. Spinners, stunners, divas. From every corner of SE Asia. However. A lot of them don't look very happy to be there. There isn't a lot of the party atmosphere you find at EDSA (Pitstop, especially fun). Lady drinks are reasonable in Sabang, like 100 php. The gogo joint have more of a shopping experience. Get in, find one, get out. Then take her to one of the diver bars down the alley and relax.

For the record, over two nights I did not partake due to the fact that I have a gf in Manila and she's all I need. However, my travel companion did partake on several occasions and he gave sparking review on overall service.

Stayed at Steps and Garden, which is up the hill about two minutes and far enough away from the noise that you can sleep. Kind of a primitive cottage but 1500 php a night. Tried for one of the upgrades (2200 php) but they were booked. The Mermaid looked awesome. Had dinner and a swim there. Shoulda stayed there, too. Atlantis is top notch, but pricey.

There is one major drawback to all of Sabang and that is the construction noise from the new resorts they're putting up on the hill. If you need day-sleep, bring ear plugs. The hammering goes non-stop from 8:00 am to noon, picks up again at 1:00 and stops at 5:00.

Overall, it's a great place to monger as long as you don't mind Koreans or scuba diving Europeans who start drinking beer with breakfast.

[Rubio Tonto]

Shark San, excellent report. I was there in January with my soon to be ex-fiancee, and when we stopped into a couple of the discos one night, we saw pretty much what you saw. A lot of 6's to 9's, and not a huge party atmosphere.

Vandaddio, if you're looking to pay up for quality, the El Galleon Resort around the corner from Sabang Beach has resort rooms around the pool, but also has expensive studio apartments built into the hillside above, with wi-fi and great sea views. You're not going to see taxis in the Sabang area. There is only one road near the beach that is parallel to the shoreline, and it ends pretty quickly and becomes a pathway after only 200 meters or so. Many of the rooms right on Sabang Beach itself are private homestays rather than being full-service hotels or resorts. El Galleon and other resorts are probably more what you're looking for, and they are located around the headland from Sabang on Small La Laguna Beach, about a ten-minute walk. The beach is also a little better than Sabang's. Further along past Small La Laguna Beach is Big La Laguna Beach, but I'm not familiar with their resorts. There are also a few resorts on a couple of the islands located between Sabang and White Beach. Again, not familiar with their prices or quality.

[Econo Tech]

I will be taking my Filipina gf who is located in Ac at the moment to possibly Palawan or another nice place for 2-weeks in December. If you have been to Palawan can you give me some insight to where to stay or what to expect there?

Are there other nice secluded beach and island places to visit instead that you would suggest?

Also is it better to fly out of Manila than AC to get to theses places in terms of airfare cost?

I would like to hangout at a nice slow paced area with nice comforts close to the everyday life in the area.Sea Air had flights out of Clark to Palawan, check their site.

Alternate, check the resorts, and they bundle the fligths. Check Lally and Abeth - and Palawan has a lot of nice places - though time between each place can be a day by road, or almost 5,000 p or more by flight

Or stick to El Nido - go by Busuanga ..

I been to Palawan, spent most time on PP, and then took a day tour to Underground River, and then another tour to the Dos Palmas Resort - and then spent a couple of days in the Laly and Abeth resort - which was like about few hour road trip (forgot - about a day I think .. )

Flying to Peurto Princesca PP - is cheapest - as there are flight by PR and 5J - other places cost you an arm an a length - if you got time, head to PP, and then do the road trip to El Nido - even though you spend a day on road, it is much much cheaper to rent your own van compared to flying in to El Nido from Manila

[Sharka]

Updated FR on Boracay.

Just spent a few days in Boracay just in time for f**king Typhoon Megi to hit the PI. Although Boracay was not a direct hit, the super storm was so huge that it caused heavy bands of wind and rain every day I was there. Some flights were canceled also because it was unsafe to land at both Caticlan or Kalibo airports. Talk about surfs up. The usual calm seas off white beach looked more like the Hawaiian surfing championship. Waves were topping well over 5 ft.
All the usual tourist boats anchored on White Beach were forced to leave for shelter.
Needless to say, not much to do at all as even the all day cheap beach beer stalls all packed up. Had to wait until later when evening happy hrs at some of the bars were open.

Action in Boracay:

I have not seen any FL on the beach itself and I think most if not all so called FL by the beach are LBs. The LBs line the beach between station 1-3. There MO is to stay in the dark areas in the shadows and try to get your attention as you walk by.

Cocomangas disco starts around 10pm with a few FL available. No need to go into disco to see what's on the menu. Simply stand outside and the bar will be right in front of you. The 1st row at the bar (which is the row next to you as you look in) is where all the FL sit. Can't say there are too many of them, on the best night I counted about 10-12 and only 2 that I would even consider talking to.
Note: most of the ladies you see here are NOT for sale as most are tourist and some are locals with there friends and boyfriends out for a night of dancing, so thread lightly.

Across the street is another disco called Guilly's Island. Sign outside said 100p cover charge but it is not enforced as I was never charged anytime I went. place is more popular with tourist and locals alike as the sound system and dance music is better. Less FL here but still maybe about 5-6 hang out here, Again, look no further than the bar to find the few FL.
Again most ladies here are NOT FL. and also beware that at both discos, there were more LBs here than regular FL so choose wisely.

Both places start winding down about 1am and almost all the FL not picked up will head to another dance place on the beach called The Summer Place. This is located next to D'Mall.

Can't comment on the rest of Boracay as I don't know what else to report as the blasted Typhoon kept me indoors most of the day so best to read Devil 1 report on Boracay to fill in the rest.

The only last thought I have is that Boracay could possibly be the safest place in all of PI. Its safe here to walk anywhere and at anytime day or night and walk down dark alleys (and I do mean dark as some alleys leaving the main road to the beach are pitch black and need to bring a flashlight just to see where you are going.

I'll report more if I ever make it to the waters.

Shark

[Questor55]

Other than Dumaguete, it's been a long time since we've received reports from other parts of Negros or Panay. Both KongKing and I reported on Bacolod a while ago. If you are interested in seeing what's on the other side of the fence, then there's a lot more to P I then the regular destinations. I'm considering a trip to Iloilo on Panay after my next visit to Negros. Would be great to get some reports from there and any other places further afield.

C'mon guys, let's also get these alternate destinations in the spotlight. There's a lot of fertile ground out there just waiting to be 'plowed'.

[Cheapy]

Just got back from Sabang. Stayed 4 days with a Manila GF and agree that 3/4 nights is about the max stay. If you do go alone or with a wingman, be sure to go out to the "Floating Bar" in the afternoons. The Broadway Bikini Bar girls like to hang out there looking for extra cash or a temporary BF. Also, some young ladies were out there, but be aware a few looked a little too young.

Stayed at Sha Che Inn at Little Laguna Beach (200 meters from Sabang center). Payed 1200p for large oceanfront with kitchen. Much quieter and more relaxed than Sabang centro.

Enjoy,

Cheapy


Mongers,

Spent a two day / night ride in Sabang last week. The majority of SirLancelot's report rings true. However, here's a couple of things to update.

High season is considered November-March-ish, so the hotel rates go up but the p4p rates don't. However, this also means a lot more mongers in the gogo bars, where 90% of the action is. FL can be found, or should I say will find you if you wander around long enough. Beware though that these girls either just got fired from the last gogo bar she worked at or can't get a gig at the bar. So trust 'them at your own peril. Met an adorable (busty, slightly chubby) FL w/ DSL while parked at Eddie's for a break from the bars. Woulda coulda shoulda on that one. Still kicking myself for being a good boy.

Getting there is not as bad as it sounds (Si-Kat is at least semi-organized about it. They'll get you there, eventually) but to soften the pain, try to go on an off-traffic day, like Sunday. And stay for more than one day, make it like three or four, that way the four-hour trip doesn't seem so awful. Be advised that they tell you the boat is leaving at 11:15 but they don't leave until they have enough passengers to justify a trip. So get the pesky touts off your back by splurging for a bag of San Miguel and put your feet up. Plenty of beaver in this place to keep all but the extremely spoiled and choosy monger occupied, more on that in a minute. Bus leaves at 8:00 am from Citystate, which is a shit hotel in my opinion unless you get a room above the 6th floor. Fucking hate that place. City Garden Suites just down the street is way way way better for about the same money. Or be cheap. Whatever, I don't care how you spend your money. Just a heads up.

Around 7:00 pm the bars get rolling. The Korean Subject. Yes, they're pretty prominent (even during off-season), and yes, they're. Um. Not the kind of people I would prefer to spend any of my time near or around, but they generally keep to themselves and double-yes, they are the first mongers in the joint. These clowns throw money around and assume macho poses. Whatever. Ignore them and they'll reciprocate. Actually had a couple of guys in their mind-20s try to chat me up, asking about PG town. Sorry kids, can't help ya there. Interesting little scene happened first night. I took a stroll down the eastern side of the beach (toward Sonny's), which is the other "Korean area" in town, where they play pool in the bars and karaoke and whatever it is they do. On the way down, I spied a group of guys with their WGs and it appeared one of the girls was really getting into it with the Korean guy. Everybody was standing up and the K-guy was yelling in Korean. So I beat a loop back to Eddie's, rightly thinking I wanted no part of what was going down. I had just stepped up to Eddie's when a pack of shirtless local guys came screaming down from the west end of the beach, headed toward Sonny's. Then another wave of 'them came. These dudes were fucking flying, man. Serious shit going down with the Ks, for sure. I posted up and had a beer and waiting for word on what was going down. Then a couple of serious-looking local dudes cruised down that way. Twenty minutes later, the FL I mentioned earlier came in and gave me the scoop. Apparently the K-guy had insulted the girl, she tossed a beer on him, he broke a bottle and managed to cut her leg (how the fuck that happened, I have no idea), she got on her cell and called her local boy and to wrap it all up, no punches were thrown and the matter was settled amicably by the local chiefs.

OK. The WGs. At the time I was there, they outnumbered mongers by 30-1. No joke. The discos packed with 18-25 y/o girls on stage, lining the bar. Range: 6 to 9s, depending upon taste. Lots of 8s with great attitudes. 1000 bf, 1000 to the WG. Spinners, stunners, divas. From every corner of SE Asia. However. A lot of them don't look very happy to be there. There isn't a lot of the party atmosphere you find at EDSA (Pitstop, especially fun). Lady drinks are reasonable in Sabang, like 100 php. The gogo joint have more of a shopping experience. Get in, find one, get out. Then take her to one of the diver bars down the alley and relax.

For the record, over two nights I did not partake due to the fact that I have a gf in Manila and she's all I need. However, my travel companion did partake on several occasions and he gave sparking review on overall service.

Stayed at Steps and Garden, which is up the hill about two minutes and far enough away from the noise that you can sleep. Kind of a primitive cottage but 1500 php a night. Tried for one of the upgrades (2200 php) but they were booked. The Mermaid looked awesome. Had dinner and a swim there. Shoulda stayed there, too. Atlantis is top notch, but pricey.

There is one major drawback to all of Sabang and that is the construction noise from the new resorts they're putting up on the hill. If you need day-sleep, bring ear plugs. The hammering goes non-stop from 8:00 am to noon, picks up again at 1:00 and stops at 5:00.

Overall, it's a great place to monger as long as you don't mind Koreans or scuba diving Europeans who start drinking beer with breakfast.

[Shanghai Lover]

I will be taking my Filipina gf who is located in Ac at the moment to possibly Palawan or another nice place for 2-weeks in December. If you have been to Palawan can you give me some insight to where to stay or what to expect there?

Are there other nice secluded beach and island places to visit instead that you would suggest?

Also is it better to fly out of Manila than AC to get to theses places in terms of airfare cost?

I would like to hangout at a nice slow paced area with nice comforts close to the everyday life in the area.Most people fly from Manila to Puetro princessa. Puerto is nothing special.

The place is reccomend is called Hibiscus Garden run by a french guy. Great breakfasts and nice staff. I stayed ther several times. Places to visit are undrground river. Toitally worth it, crocodile farm, abd honda bay. Better to take boat in Honda Bay to the outerlying islands than usual ones on the intenary and maybe you and your gf can make some memories

Best way to get around puetro princessa is rent a motorcycle 400p. The resurants are Kina Burch. Looks like a biker bar with a pool table, high end that is good food is Diaches and I think Hibiscus garden is also opening an organic resturant

Other place I recommend:

Is El Nido. 6-7 hour mini bus ride form puerto or a real real expensive flight from Manila. The resturants on the beach front are real good. The boat rides around El Nido is just spectaular. Make Hailong Bay in Vietmnam look over rated. Best place to book boat, dive, and eat is Art cafe run by a swiss gal and her filino husband. The husband is real nice and wife, I reccomend dealing with the husband. AVOID Marina beach hotel. Owned and run by the most horrible person I ever met in all my travels and incompitent staff. Elnido is just amazing.

Let me know if you need additonal info. I have been to palwan several times. Take a lot of sun tan lotion and skimpy bikinis for your GF.

[Johnred]

SL captured it perfectly. El Nido is well worth the effort to get there. If you want a quiet laid back beautiful place, Port Barton is it. If you go there, eat and drink at Judy's place. PP is reputed to be on eof the nicer cities, but it is still a city in the Philippines. I chose to get out of PP quickly. There are way better places to hang out in Palawan than PP.

[Pekkakoo]

Is there any action on Bohol these days? Probably best to bring a girl with you I guess? Any recommendations on where to stay 2 nights? Tagbilaran City or somewhere close to Alona Beach? Maximum is like $100-150/night.

[Rendorseg]

Hi - there ain't much action-wise to speak of in Bohol unless you fancy very small primitive primates (Tarsiers).

Instead it's wisest to bring your own chick-BYOC. Alona Beach is very very nice. Go out on a boat ride early AM to see the dolphins. On Alona we stayed at the Hehaw (something like that, look it up...) which was fine and well under the budget figure you mentioned. German owned, good bread and beer and I recall. Good scuba diving schools all around there also, if you're into that...

In Tagbilaran (about 30 minutes taxi ride from Alona) worth staying at is the Bohol Tropics - we booked the "Presidential Suite" which is more like a junior vice presidential suite (I recall price was approx $120), but it's good due the bubble bath at least that we had spilling out all over the large bathroom; giant room so if you can find other chicks, heck stage an orgy. Multiple chicks ought not be a problem there.

Your chick may beg you to go see the "Chocolate Hills" - the myopic poorly read and traveled Filipinos marvel that it's one of the Eight Wonders of the world but, sorry (having seen Swiss mountain peaks/Yosemite) it ain't that great but still the chick will get a thrill.

Maybe there's some KTV's in town but to be safe I say BYOC, unless you have lots of time for trolling....


Is there any action on Bohol these days? Probably best to bring a girl with you I guess? Any recommendations on where to stay 2 nights? Tagbilaran City or somewhere close to Alona Beach? Maximum is like $100-150/night.

[Rendorseg]

Yah, still haven't been to El Nido, gotta try that still but we did go to Port Barton which at least 1.5 years ago had lousy infrastructure, hotels very very minimal, it's very laid back, very few falang/foreigners since getting there is the real problem - we came when it was sunny but it rained the day before ---> the grueling 3.5 hr drive in was like out of the movie Romancing the Stone - driving through DEEPLY rutted mud roads on the sides of a steep cliff we had to get out and push the 4 wheel van through the mud - the GF was not pleased to say the least. Reports are that it is a malarial/dengue infested area (this from a gringo living up the hill who I met while pushing through the mud on the cliff side...). So, you can go by jeepney (not recommended) or hire a car but be sure it's 4wdrv and it's not been raining.... Or you can go there by boat (see below)

BUT right at the mouth of the harbor is a lovely looking island resort - THAT looks worth going to. Foreign owned which is good - it seems this fellow bought a small island surrounded by lovely waters.
I think it was this one on Cacnipa Island:
http://coconutgarden.palawan.net/Home.html

Again bring your own chick, there ain't no action here unless you marry a local girl then and there in this winky little town.

Speaking of small town charm, be careful strolling at night in Port Barton - some young roughs were having yet another knife fight.... the barangay Tanod (constable) finally woke up but we had to run away to stay clear of the fighting.

Notes to self: 1) next time bring strong flashlight, very dark at night. 2) bring plenty of cash - FB is far far from any ATM's.

Yes, Judy's Place is about the only civilized place there (a somewhat clean outdoor bar with barstools, on a quite street corner, a block off the beach), the bartender I think was a hooker but now's moved on to cocktails - she's quite good at that. Married I think to a foreigner (her teen daughter was very cute but untouchable as I recall...)

So if you do venture to Port Barton (ain't much of a port that's for sure) then leave there by taking a 5 hr coastal boat trip south to the beach adjacent the famous Sabang underground river cave (inside take another boat thru the middle of the long river in the cave).


SL captured it perfectly. El Nido is well worth the effort to get there.

If you want a quiet laid back beautiful place, Port Barton is it. If you go there, eat and drink at Judy's place. PP is reputed to be on eof the nicer cities, but it is still a city in the Philippines. I chose to get out of PP quickly. There are way better places to hang out in Palawan than PP.

[Tally Wacker]

Thank you SH for the detailed information. I will be firming up my plans in the next week so I will PM you if I need additional info.

TW


Let me know if you need additonal info. I have been to palwan several times. Take a lot of sun tan lotion and skimpy bikinis for your GF.

[Pekkakoo]

On Alona we stayed at the Hehaw (something like that, look it up...) which was fine and well under the budget figure you mentioned. German owned, good bread and beer and I recall. Good scuba diving schools all around there also, if you're into that...

In Tagbilaran (about 30 minutes taxi ride from Alona) worth staying at is the Bohol Tropics - we booked the "Presidential Suite" which is more like a junior vice presidential suite (I recall price was approx $120), but it's good due the bubble bath at least that we had spilling out all over the large bathroom; giant room so if you can find other chicks, heck stage an orgy. Multiple chicks ought not be a problem there.


Do you have anymore idea what that "Hehaw" place is? I could not find it when tried to google. Do you or anyone else think that if I have only 3 nights it is best to stay by the (alona?) beach? Because traveling from tagbilaran daily to the beach might take too much time. Any other suggestions for accommodation? Of course it depends a little if I can get one of my cebu contacts to come with me. Otherwise I should probably just fly to boracay or somewhere else for some bar possibilities.

[Rendorseg]

Here it is.... I recall that it somehow rhymed with heehaw as in that old Okkie show, but actually it's hayahay, not heehaw. Ha ha.

http://www.hayahay.net/

Anyways, it's simple clean and well run, at least when we were there.
Simple clean and well run is something rare in the Philippines, reminds me actually of the nice and affordable hotels along the beaches in Samui.
Actually, FYI, most all of the hotels on that short strip of beach seemed fine...

Look up Hayahay on www.agoda.com - you can get very good rates when one pays in advance... sometimes just pay a day or so then if you stay longer (unless it's peak season) they'll let you stay at the same lower rate you got at Agoda instead of their normal higher walk in rates...

Panglao Island/Alona Beach is a very nice, clean but relatively laid back place... prices are good.... prices are totally fucked up insanely, absurdly high Boracay. In neither place will one find "action" (unless you enjoy the company of many a swaying and giggly lady-boys in which case going to Boracay alone is just the ticket for you, amigo...) ;-)

Boracay is vastly overrated, but if you take a chick there they will swoon in gratitude and brag about it to their friends and point out all the gee whiz Phil movie stars in the crowds... but there's >7000 other islands to go to... Hotels and food being so high, wow, makes no sense... Boracay beach was ok, but not incredible, the water was nice. what was nice is that they don't allow any car or trikes or motorcycles in the main walking are of Boracay and it's clean nowadays but the same thing can be said also about Alona Beach on Panglao Island.... so if you get turned on by passing stuck-up movie stars, movie-star wannabees, absurd overpricing then heck run to Boracay... Not my thang, but we were there a week.... Sigh.

(There is a certain economic illogic here in the Philippines which is generally that if a place isn't a total shit-hole then they charge very high prices. Competition isn't prized (unlike say in Thailand) instead it is surpressed by the highly corrupt bribing/"rent seeking" elite and in that sense is why Manila might compare to Moscow (illogical overpricing due to corrupt rent-seeking). Unfortunately many Filipinos think that if something is expensive it feels better, it's cool. That's why Starbucks is a bit hit here in fact. (It's a Filipine 'sickness' based on my years of observation....)

Don't stay in Tagbilaran just to go to the beach, stay in Tagbilaran only maybe as a first night in/out and/or on the way to see the Tarsiers. Stay on Alona to stroll out simply on it's lovely beach with beauty in hand (flown in with you...)


Do you have anymore idea what that "Hehaw" place is? I could not find it when tried to google. Do you or anyone else think that if I have only 3 nights it is best to stay by the (alona?) beach? Because traveling from tagbilaran daily to the beach might take too much time. Any other suggestions for accommodation? Of course it depends a little if I can get one of my cebu contacts to come with me. Otherwise I should probably just fly to boracay or somewhere else for some bar possibilities.

[Cbea20]

Here it is.... I recall that it somehow rhymed with heehaw as in that old Okkie show, but actually it's hayahay, not heehaw. Ha ha.
http://www.hayahay.net/...)

Hayahay, I'm told, means something like "laid back". It's a common name for
restaurant or resort.

[Buko Max]

Do you or anyone else think that if I have only 3 nights it is best to stay by the (alona?) beach? Because traveling from tagbilaran daily to the beach might take too much time. Any other suggestions for accommodation?
Have to agree with everything Rendorseg says!
If you only have three nights, BYOB is the way to go.
But I would not make advanced reservations because you might not like the hotel or it's location. Upon arrival, have your driver take you around to several properties to have a look. Bohol Beach Club is in a good locale and has various rooms at all price levels. No reason to stay in Tagbilaran which is around a thirty minute drive unless you are on the hunt.

[Member #4698]

Do you have anymore idea what that "Hehaw" place is? I could not find it when tried to google. Do you or anyone else think that if I have only 3 nights it is best to stay by the (alona?) beach? Because traveling from tagbilaran daily to the beach might take too much time. Any other suggestions for accommodation? Of course it depends a little if I can get one of my cebu contacts to come with me. Otherwise I should probably just fly to boracay or somewhere else for some bar possibilities.
Stay on Alona Beach! Don’t even think about staying elsewhere.
There is another resort on Alona called Isla Hayahay rated #1 by Travel Advisor. Read up on your choices. Check Travel Advisor, Lonely Planet, and Rough Guide. Then check the hotel websites. Do your homework. It pays off.

If going in high season it is probably a good idea to book a resort. Otherwise it is best to show up and pick the one you like. Almost a certainty you will have a good time on Alona. Best to bring your own girl, but it is definitely not a requirement.

The best alternative beach resort with bar possibilities in PI is Sabang, Puerto Galera. Search the forum; there is good info on Sabang Beach.

[Shark San]

Just got back from Sabang. Stayed 4 days with a Manila GF and agree that 3/4 nights is about the max stay. If you do go alone or with a wingman, be sure to go out to the "Floating Bar" in the afternoons. The Broadway Bikini Bar girls like to hang out there looking for extra cash or a temporary BF. Also, some young ladies were out there, but be aware a few looked a little too young.

Stayed at Sha Che Inn at Little Laguna Beach (200 meters from Sabang center). Payed 1200p for large oceanfront with kitchen. Much quieter and more relaxed than Sabang centro.

Enjoy,

CheapyWow, the floating bar is open again? That's probably pretty cool then. I was told it was shut down for good. At any rate, one more reason to go.

[Slippery]

There's a town in Misamis Occidental, Mindanao called Calamba that I'm looking at traveling to. Anybody know where the closest airport is and how long it might take by taxi to get to Calamba from the closest airport?

Thanks in advance.

Slippery f/k/a Puerto La Cruz

[GermanBoy 2]

Malapascua is a wonderful small island north of cebu. 2-3 kilometers in length, 1 kilometer in wide. It is not a mongering destination but a perfect stay for some days with your cebu-girl. I have not been in boracay 15 years ago, but it seems to me that malapascua today is maybe like boracay has been at this time. There are some hotels, not too much, some bars and restaurants, mostely at the southern part called bounty beach. Important: there is no ATM at the island, and most of the hotels do accept only cash.

How to go there

From cebu city northern bus terminal there are running non-aircon busses to maya every hour for peso 90. I have been told that there are air con busses as well, but never saw one. Travel time by bus is 4-5 hours to maya. Most of the taxi drivers in cebu are willing to bring you there for 3000 peso. Bargaining helps, I payed 2000 and tipped another 200.

From maya there are small boats going to malapascua, ride is 30 minutes. They start with prices arround 1000 for a private trip bringing you exactly to the place at the beach where your hotel is. Bargaining can bring it down to 700. From malapascua back to maya I catched one for 600.

There is also a public boat running for 50 peso per person. Officially it goes every hour, but it seems they wait till they are full. From the place where this boat arrives, it is a 5 min walk to the south beach on a sandy path.

Where to stay

There are a lot of different small hotels. I stayed in sunsplash, checked 2 other options during my 3 days stay and think both others are better. All prices following are from nov. 2010. Depending to season they are changing a lot.

Sunsplash: Hotel style building with 16 rooms, 50 meters back from the beach, no direct ocean view. Rooms are not too big, queen size bed, aircon and in room safe. Tv (important for your girl if you want to read something in the sun), german management. They have a restaurant close bye with reasonable food. Payed 2700 for the room including breakfast for 2. Contact number: 09272240110

Cocobana: bungalow type, trees between the buildings with some hamrocks. They have a lot of different style cottages, some without aircon. Deluxe (2600 without breakfast) and especially Super Deluxe (3000 without b) looked very good. Deluxe without TV. Both with 2 queensize beds, both without inroom safe. Both rooms much bigger then sunsplash. Swiss management. From the 8 superdeluxe rooms 4 have a perfect seeview. Contact: 09159200011

Ocean Vida: brand new, grandopening dec 2010, soft opening nov. 12 rooms in a hotel style building, anyway with private terrace. In room safe, tv is promised to be there soon. Room size between sunsplash and cocobana. 2 normal size beds which could be taken to one big one. Roomrate 2500 till December 18, then it should be 4000. Swiss management. Contact: 09058001030

Mongering: did not see any action. Some of the hotels have a really nice staff who is willing to flirt, but I do not know if more then this is possible. Big suggestion: bring your own girl. Teach her swimming, or whatever you want.

[Questor55]

There's a town in Misamis Occidental, Mindanao called Calamba that I'm looking at traveling to. Anybody know where the closest airport is and how long it might take by taxi to get to Calamba from the closest airport?

Thanks in advance.

Slippery f/k/a Puerto La CruzSlippery, I assume you are going to Calamba to meet a chatmate. I have been through Calamba, where our van transport stopped for about 10 minutes. That was plenty long enough! Typical small town in the middle of nowhere with nothing to recommend it. Within an hour, everyone in town would know all about your being there, for who, for what. If there is a hotel there, it will be very basic, or worse.

Closest airport is Dipolog, with regular flights from Cebu. Probably about one hour by taxi to Calamba. Vans going from bus terminal on the way to Ozamis, Iligan, and CDO. Would be available. However, my suggestion is DON't go!

Have her come to you. There is a very pleasant small resort hotel in Dapitan, called either The Pavilion, or The Dapitan City Resort. Yes, It goes by both names. They will pick you up at Dipolog and take you to the resort which is only about 15-20 minutes away. Book a double on the second floor (nice view of pool and ocean). If you arrange for her to come to you, then she can take the bus as far as the Dapitan turnoff, then by trike to the Pavilion, or you can meet her bus.

Phone # for the hotel is 065 213 6413. I've stayed there a couple of times and it is recommended. Once again, best you not go to Calamba.

[From East]

Visited Boracay last week. In Cocomangos every day 10pm-11pm there were several small groups of FL girls sitting at the bar just near the entrance. I approached one and she quickly agreed for 2000pe ST at my hotel, I tried to bargain but she did not agree for a lower price (at the beginning of 2009 I got ST there for 1200pe). I liked her so I agreed and did not try to negotiate with other girls there.

She was there with several other girls, her friends, they could be found (and picked up) at the same place at the Cocomangos bar every day. She said they are from Manila and came to Boracay for couple of weeks. She said in Manila she is a 'good girl', she is single mother of a child and she does not have a husband or boyfriend.

[Tally Wacker]

Thought I would share a few internet sites that were helpful in planning my trip to the Palawan Islands.

http://www.elnidopalawan.com

http://www.smarttravelasia.com/palawan.htm

http://palawanmap.org/palawan-map

http://www.elnidoboutiqueandartcafe.com

http://travel-philippines.com/locations/palawan/2-puerto-princesa.htm

http://www.palawanmotorbiketours.comuf.com

http://www.pitstopbikeadventure.com

http://booknow.flyseair.com

http://www.islandtransvoyager.com

[On The Road]

Hi friends, I'm wondering why there are almost no information on mongering in Laoag.

I read on more than one travel forum that Laoag is considered a primary mongering destination, mainly for asian customers.
On the Lonely Planet is indicated that "entertainment" district in Laoag is called Discolandia, and it should be not a family district... such as a rld.

Any suggestion?
Any hotel tip?

Thanks!

I'll do some research and I post the results, of course...

[GregLondon]

Hi friends, I'm wondering why there are almost no information on mongering in Laoag.

I read on more than one travel forum that Laoag is considered a primary mongering destination, mainly for asian customers.
On the Lonely Planet is indicated that "entertainment" district in Laoag is called Discolandia, and it should be not a family district... such as a rld.

Any suggestion?
Any hotel tip?

Thanks!

I'll do some research and I post the results, of course...

I was there about 9 years ago. At least then it was it was itself a not especially attractive little town with not much going on. There is a casino complex just outside the city which attracts loads of Chinese and other gamblers. For sure there will also be girls there to provide additional services. But I think unless you are ome sort of package its not a very economical place to stay.

[GregLondon]

One of the girls I met on my last trip to CDO messaged me complaining that she hasn't met any guys recently and asked me to try to find someone planning a trip to CDO who might be interested.

She's a cute fairly slim 21 year old who is bright and fun to be with. For some reason she REALLY loves sucking cock and especially swallowing cum. Apparently she also likes riding guys but had a period when I was there so I can't judge that but she definitely knows how to suck cock expertly!

She has got a 2 year old son (from an English guy she spent 6 months with and who then had no more to do with her once she got preg) , and stretch marks on her tummy.

She is a great little guide around town, open to threesomes and can try and locate some other girls if you are interested. She's not greedy but has a kid to feed and support so treat her fairly if you decide you would like to meet her. PM me if you would like contact details. I promised to let her know who might call so include something about yourself / what your plans are so that I can pass it on to her.

[Joe116]

Prior to my recent trip to the Philipines I spent a lot of time on DIA, intending to bring a girl to Palawan (well-known as a BYOG place) with me from Manila, but this was ultimately fruitless. Lots of false starts and then too short notice. I eventually gave up, worried about being stuck for 3 days with someone who was unbearable. Still, tail can be found there if you lower your standards. Ask a tricycle driver or check out some of the Karaoke places. Several flights each day from Manila and R / T airfare approx. P4, 000. Food was excellent, and cheap.

[Pierre Le Ski]

Thought I would share a few internet sites that were helpful in planning my trip to the Palawan Islands.

http://www.elnidopalawan.com

http://www.smarttravelasia.com/palawan.htm

http://palawanmap.org/palawan-map

http://www.elnidoboutiqueandartcafe.com

http://travel-philippines.com/locations/palawan/2-puerto-princesa.htm

http://www.palawanmotorbiketours.comuf.com

http://www.pitstopbikeadventure.com

http://booknow.flyseair.com

http://www.islandtransvoyager.com

Thanks for the links, this is a great help. I'm planing a 5 day bike trip there early Feb, do you have any FL or bar girl info or experiences or pointers?

[GregLondon]

Planning a few days in Baguio and surrounding areas for the next few days. It's a long time since I went up there anyone got any tips for comfortable places to stay? Ideally with wifi access? I believe Baguio is quite developed now so may move on to Banaue or Segada. 10 years ago that was quite a long trip but maybe the road has improved? Not to worried about the girl situation as I have a nice hot girl from Manila who has volunteered to come with me. Setting out from Angeles.

[Tally Wacker]

Hi,

Sorry no info on girls in Palawan as I brought my filipina gf with me. Just arrives a a day ago and its 1am here but my body tells me its 7am.

I had this freak thing to me happen on my long flight from USA. My feet swelled up enormously and have red blotts everywhere. I understand its from the altitude in the plane and lack of movement in my leags from sitting in one place for over 17hrs. From looking on the internet I hear the remedy is keeping my feet elevated, drink fluids and no alchohol. Not to fun.

Its been raining daily here for the past week so hope it clears up so we can have some fun.


Thanks for the links, this is a great help. I'm planing a 5 day bike trip there early Feb, do you have any FL or bar girl info or experiences or pointers?

[Wicked Roger]

Planning a few days in Baguio and surrounding areas for the next few days. It's a long time since I went up there anyone got any tips for comfortable places to stay? Ideally with wifi access? I believe Baguio is quite developed now so may move on to Banaue or Segada. 10 years ago that was quite a long trip but maybe the road has improved? Not to worried about the girl situation as I have a nice hot girl from Manila who has volunteered to come with me. Setting out from Angeles.GL.

Was there earlier this year.

Elizabeth Hotel is not a bad place had free wifi.

Was also in San Fernadao La Union at a small beach resort, cheap and cheerful, had the whole week with Cebu favourite, sat by the ocean etc. Well not all the time, again free wifi and Baguio about an hour up the road and certainly warmer than Baguio. Nice strawberries though and for a pinay who has never seen them. Wonderful treat and great brownie points. Also Cebu fav bought penis shaped key rings for her sister.

Road to Baguio is OK but slow, took us around 9 hours to get back to Manila (but then 2 hours were spent in Manila trying to get to Cubao and Pasay!). But road is fine, when you get closer to Baguio then very slow and winding, lots of hills and limited overtaking. So take lots of food / nibbles and water

[Localboy]

Gents,

Was in Palawan about 6 months ago. There were 3 places that I remember. One was Phoenix, its on a road perpendicular to the main road leaving the airport heading into town (close to the airport). The 2nd was actually on that main road. Can't remember the name, but if you are heading into town from the airport, its on the left side (which is the same side that the road Phoenix is on). The third was called Golden Bell or something like that. A friend took me. Its away from the main town.

The setup at the first 2 are basically bars with about 30 girls with numbered tags. Every once in a while (when people come in) the mama puts on this song and the girls do this "runway" routine allowing everyone to see them as they walk around the stage and "pose". Then you tell the mama which one you want. After that, its like any other bar. Bf available of course although I can't remember how much. I do remember it being more expensive than I thought it would be. Closer to makati prices.

The 3rd bar. Golden bell, is more like a large compound with little "Nipa" huts. Basically a sort of park bench with 1/2 walls and a roof. You are "outside" vice being in a bar. More local style I suppose. Mama brings girls around until you choose which one you like. This bar was cheaper than the first 2 (go figure). I didn't take out but my friend did. The first 2 are very easy to get to. Any trike should be able to take you to it. The 3rd, I'm not sure. You probably have to go with someone who knows. Puerto Princessa is not a big city so you will likely pick up the lay of the land fast.

My advice: have dinner at Kinnebuch's (food is excellent) on the main road. When you leave, stay on that side, turn right and leisurely walk towards the airport. The 2nd bar is about 10 or 15 mins walk. Otherwise, grab a trike and go to Phoenix. From Kinnebuch it should be between 10 30 peso (you negotiate).

Good luck!

[Devils 1]

Gents,

Was in Palawan about 6 months ago. There were 3 places that I remember. Could you comment on the quality of the women available?

[Tally Wacker]

Pierre, when you say bike trip. Do you mean mortorbike or bicycle?

I was planning on renting a mortorbike while in Puerto Princessa from Pitstop Bikes but noticed his Jeep parked at the Hibiscus Hotel that I looked into previously but seemed too expensive. I called Arnold the owner of Pitsop and inquired about the Jeep. I was able to rent it for 4-days including a one way trip to El Nido for $8000P. His shop is located in El Nido so it worked out good for him to get his jeep back.

The Hibiscus Hotel took care of the rental contract and I would also suggest this hotel to stay in.


Thanks for the links, this is a great help. I'm planing a 5 day bike trip there early Feb, do you have any FL or bar girl info or experiences or pointers?

[Pierre Le Ski]

Hi all,

Thanks for the info. I'm doing a Motorbike trip early feb on the end of 5 weeks in the Philippines. I've done many, many similar trips in Thai, Cambo, Laos and Myanmar over the last 7 years and I thought I'd give The Philippines a try. Hiring a bike out of Angeles City as will for three weeks. Wish me luck, I'll report back.

[HotSam]

Most people fly from Manila to Puetro princessa. Puerto is nothing special.

The place is reccomend is called Hibiscus Garden run by a french guy. Great breakfasts and nice staff. I stayed ther several times. Places to visit are undrground river. Toitally worth it, crocodile farm, abd honda bay. Better to take boat in Honda Bay to the outerlying islands than usual ones on the intenary and maybe you and your gf can make some memories.

Best way to get around puetro princessa is rent a motorcycle 400p. The resurants are Kina Burch. Looks like a biker bar with a pool table, high end that is good food is Diaches and I think Hibiscus garden is also opening an organic resturant.

Other place I recommend:

Is El Nido. 6-7 hour mini bus ride form puerto or a real real expensive flight from Manila. The resturants on the beach front are real good. The boat rides around El Nido is just spectaular. Make Hailong Bay in Vietmnam look over rated. Best place to book boat, dive, and eat is Art cafe run by a swiss gal and her filino husband. The husband is real nice and wife, I reccomend dealing with the husband. AVOID Marina beach hotel. Owned and run by the most horrible person I ever met in all my travels and incompitent staff. Elnido is just amazing.

Let me know if you need additonal info. I have been to palwan several times. Take a lot of sun tan lotion and skimpy bikinis for your GF. Thanks Shanghai for the informations. I'm planning a trip in Ph. Next March and I'm interested in Palawan (already was in AC, Manila, P. Galera, Cebu, Malapascua, Borocay, Tablas). Any information about a new bar in El Nido like a Go Go? A friend tell me about it, but I didn't find anything.

[Iron Duke]

Thanks Shanghai for the informations. I'm planning a trip in Ph. Next March and I'm interested in Palawan (already was in AC, Manila, P. Galera, Cebu, Malapascua, Borocay, Tablas). Any information about a new bar in El Nido like a Go Go? A friend tell me about it, but I didn't find anything.There's no go go bars in El Nido that I came across. There's a night club that stays open till morning but it's a bring your own girl place. There are a couple of flights a week to Puerto Princesa from Cebu and daily flights from Manila. Then it's a five hour mini bus trip to El Nido. There may be pickings available in Puerto Princesa (I had my gf with me so didn't investigate) but I wouldn't go to Palawan hoping to find decent company there. Much better to travel with your own companion.

Make sure you take lots of cash (pesos) with you to El Nido. There's no banks and no ATM's. And few places accept credit cards, not even the hotels. There are a couple of places that will change dollar notes for pesos but the exchange rate is outrageous.

The scenery around El Nido is magnificent. Well worth the effort to get there.

[El Ted]

I was in El Nido last month. There is a disco in the middle of the beach road. Went in for a couple of hours on a Saturday night. 15-20 girls there of variable quality. At least half of them appeared to be freelancers, judging by eye contact and smiles.

I have been told there is a girlie bar in the area. If true, any trike driver will know it. I was there with my girlfriend, so I did not check.


There's no go go bars in El Nido that I came across. There's a night club that stays open till morning but it's a bring your own girl place. There are a couple of flights a week to Puerto Princesa from Cebu and daily flights from Manila. Then it's a five hour mini bus trip to El Nido. There may be pickings available in Puerto Princesa (I had my gf with me so didn't investigate) but I wouldn't go to Palawan hoping to find decent company there. Much better to travel with your own companion.

Make sure you take lots of cash (pesos) with you to El Nido. There's no banks and no ATM's. And few places accept credit cards, not even the hotels. There are a couple of places that will change dollar notes for pesos but the exchange rate is outrageous.

The scenery around El Nido is magnificent. Well worth the effort to get there.

[Vandaddio]

Anyone got some new info re-girl scene around that area?

If one stays in the White beach area is there any action to be had?

Or does one have to travel to Sabang for it?

[GregLondon]

An unusual invitation here for anyone planning a trip to Puerto Princesa, Palawan in the near future.

One of the girls I met there earlier this year is a slim, tall, rather shapely and attractive 25 year old without kids. She is a little different from the norm because she is a deaf mute. She communicates mostly by typing into a very old and battered mobile phone.

If anyone is going there and is interested in an unusual sexual experience plus the opportunity to do a little good then PM me for her contact details. She is willing to please in bed and if you are in a position to get her a new phone with good texting capabilities or if feeling especially generous an old laptop, it would be something that would make a significant difference in her life. She has a good sense of humour and being with her is more fun than you might imagine. She can probably hook up another cute friend of mine if you think it would be easier to have a talking girl as well or fancy a threesome.

[DriveAllNight]

Anyone got some new info re-girl scene around that area?

If one stays in the White beach area is there any action to be had?

Or does one have to travel to Sabang for it? got to go to Sabang, that's where the discos are. Might be a freelancer or two hanging around White Beach, but it's unlikely.

[Livingthedream]

I will actually be in Palawan Dec 30-Jan 2 and travel to Sebang for Jan 2-4. Fly into Manila Dec 29 and out Jan 5 on the Nagoya-Manila Delta express!

I have been working tagged to find a couple of friends to show me around and have an enjoyable New Years! Looking forward to doing thr nature thing an seeing the falls in the area. No time for El Nido though due to wanting to be in a decent sized town for New Years and do the Underground River while in Sebang. (staying at the Sheridan for something different)

Any recommendations?

I have used the ISG forums for my trips to Hong Kong / Macau and all around Japan to great success. Unfortunately the last 2 times to the PI was with my Filipino GF so she kept me entertained while in Puerto Gallera, Manila, and Boracay. I am all for making new friends now that she is behind me.

What can I say. I love the Philippines. Great food, weather, women, and sights!


An unusual invitation here for anyone planning a trip to Puerto Princesa, Palawan in the near future.

One of the girls I met there earlier this year is a slim, tall, rather shapely and attractive 25 year old without kids. She is a little different from the norm because she is a deaf mute. She communicates mostly by typing into a very old and battered mobile phone.

If anyone is going there and is interested in an unusual sexual experience plus the opportunity to do a little good then PM me for her contact details. She is willing to please in bed and if you are in a position to get her a new phone with good texting capabilities or if feeling especially generous an old laptop, it would be something that would make a significant difference in her life. She has a good sense of humour and being with her is more fun than you might imagine. She can probably hook up another cute friend of mine if you think it would be easier to have a talking girl as well or fancy a threesome.

[GregLondon]

I will actually be in Palawan Dec 30-Jan 2 and travel to Sebang for Jan 2-4. Fly into Manila Dec 29 and out Jan 5 on the Nagoya-Manila Delta express!

I have been working tagged to find a couple of friends to show me around and have an enjoyable New Years! Looking forward to doing thr nature thing an seeing the falls in the area. No time for El Nido though due to wanting to be in a decent sized town for New Years and do the Underground River while in Sebang. (staying at the Sheridan for something different)

Any recommendations?

I have used the ISG forums for my trips to Hong Kong / Macau and all around Japan to great success. Unfortunately the last 2 times to the PI was with my Filipino GF so she kept me entertained while in Puerto Gallera, Manila, and Boracay. I am all for making new friends now that she is behind me.

What can I say. I love the Philippines. Great food, weather, women, and sights! Yes I have the perfect little guide / sexual companion for you if she is free those days, you can also take the deaf girl who is her friend for ta threesome if you like. You need to PM me though so you may need to pay your subscription. There are thousands of lurkers on this forum and if I posted this gilrs DIA she would get inundated wioth all sorts of guys.

[DriveAllNight]

Welcome to the board, LTD. Have very much enjoyed your reports on another, PI-oriented site. Drop a pm if you're up for a drink in Manila during the first week of January.


I will actually be in Palawan Dec 30-Jan 2 and travel to Sebang for Jan 2-4. Fly into Manila Dec 29 and out Jan 5 on the Nagoya-Manila Delta express!

I have been working tagged to find a couple of friends to show me around and have an enjoyable New Years! Looking forward to doing thr nature thing an seeing the falls in the area. No time for El Nido though due to wanting to be in a decent sized town for New Years and do the Underground River while in Sebang. (staying at the Sheridan for something different)

Any recommendations?

I have used the ISG forums for my trips to Hong Kong / Macau and all around Japan to great success. Unfortunately the last 2 times to the PI was with my Filipino GF so she kept me entertained while in Puerto Gallera, Manila, and Boracay. I am all for making new friends now that she is behind me.

What can I say. I love the Philippines. Great food, weather, women, and sights!

[GregLondon]

I will actually be in Palawan Dec 30-Jan 2 and travel to Sebang for Jan 2-4. Fly into Manila Dec 29 and out Jan 5 on the Nagoya-Manila Delta express!

I have been working tagged to find a couple of friends to show me around and have an enjoyable New Years! Looking forward to doing thr nature thing an seeing the falls in the area. No time for El Nido though due to wanting to be in a decent sized town for New Years and do the Underground River while in Sebang. (staying at the Sheridan for something different)

Any recommendations?

I have used the ISG forums for my trips to Hong Kong / Macau and all around Japan to great success. Unfortunately the last 2 times to the PI was with my Filipino GF so she kept me entertained while in Puerto Gallera, Manila, and Boracay. I am all for making new friends now that she is behind me.

What can I say. I love the Philippines. Great food, weather, women, and sights! You will probably be aware that the main attraction in and around Puerto Princesa is to take a day trip to the islands in Honda Bay. In good weather these are stunningly beautiful little islets. The boat station is about 15km outside town. A Trike wil take you there for about 150P-200P . They start off higher. The boats take 8-12 people and cost 800P-1200P from memory divided between the passengers. They will ask 100P for a mask and 100P for flippers, flippers are pretty pointless as it's shallow water. What I tend to do is to take 5-6 sexy girls in bikinis (130P from NCCP dept store in PP, second floor for nice skimpy sexy ones) out there and have a boat to ourselves. For obvious reasons LOL. If you have a nice group of girls who like taking pics as they pretty much all do in Phils, and you get a nice day, you will think you have died and gone to heaven. Best not to tempt fate though, one of my girls in Cebu went island hoping with a group of Singapore biz guys last month. Apparently one of them was so happy that he said something along the lines of this was the best time of his life and if he died then and there he would die contented. Later that afternoon they found him floating around dead from a heart attack.

If you hit DIA / tagged you will fairly easily find contacts who will certainly be up for a free boat trip. However in general Palawan girls are much more conservative than girls in Manila / Cebu / Angeles and it can be challenging to find open minded girls. There is alot of "bait and switch" ie promising unlimited sex only to find excuses and " I meant once we were married" etc. There are a bunch of somewhat second rate bars around town where you can get bar girls, but generally not such high quality ones, the cuties who opt for that work generally go to AC / Manila / Cebu etc.

I've spent 3 months or so in Palawan over the last couple of years and made a few really nice, sexy and open minded friends there and am prepared to help out (if I'm not there at the time you are going) but only to decent guys who I can trust will treat the girls well, use condoms etc (fed up with guys whose attitude is "I'm a clean respectable guy so you don't have to use a condom with me", then she picks up an STD because he had bare backed 5 bar girls during the last week)

[Econo Tech]

got to go to Sabang, that's where the discos are. Might be a freelancer or two hanging around White Beach, but it's unlikely.It always makes me smile, when I hear guys bragging (well, I still think it's bragging) that there are loads of girls in the beach here and there. Just wating to be picked up.

If such a place exists in Phil, I am damn curious to know.

White beach, you get the odd girl, who you can chat up, but is a far cry from the image of girls waiting and sunbathing. Just to be collected by punters.

[Livingthedream]

Welcome to the board, LTD. Have very much enjoyed your reports on another, PI-oriented site. Drop a pm if you're up for a drink in Manila during the first week of January.Hi Driveallnight.

Unfortunately I cannot take the credit for someone else's work. While I am on a few other boards I am not the "Livingthedream" of which you speak.

Be that as it may I hope to bring glory to the username I have adopted on ISG as it is a saying I truly live by.

In the near future I will be providing more info of my adventures in order to give back to the community that has inspired me so much!

Some details of my trip.

I will be traveling from Nagoya. Manila Dec 29 with my good friend and his Malayasian GF.

I am the 3rd wheel and if course need to rectify that as I broke up with my Manila GF who traveled with me before. FYI we are in contact still for regular visits it's just a fun needs based arrangement.

Dec 30. Manila.Puerto Princesa early: explore city and visit locals / fishing village and the like.

Dec 31. Morning or half day trip to visit the local waterfalls and enjoy nature. Find some place to enjoy New Years and hope to bring it in with a BANG! Any recommendations? Good parties and thr like?

Jan 1-island hoping around Honda bay.

Jan 2-travel to Sebang and try the resort experience. Hopefully do the underground river and jungle trek this day. Enjoy the resort!

Jan 3-mangrove tour and caving / nature experience.

Jan 4-head back to PP and catch last flight out to Manila. Enjoy a night out at greenbrier or in the casino waiting till 4am to head to the airport.

Jan 5-back to Nagoya.

I am actually going to Palawan to enjoy the beauty of the island first with the hope of making some great friends and long lasting memories in the process. All the while avoiding the odd man out syndrome if possible. Oh yeah and enjoying some of the best seafood in my life!

So Greglondon if any of your friends would enjoy spending time with these activities, acting as a guide or just able to keep me from getting hustled to much I would appreciate it. My pm should be working soon so I will be able to discuss these matters privately.

[GregLondon]

Guys, don't fall into this.

Be careful. Rampana I feel like I'm trying to put out a Bush fire here!

"Be careful" . Agreed always solid advice . About what exactly though?

"Don't fall into this" . Fall into what exactly?

It seems that you are an arch skeptic. Fine don't have anything to do with these girls. But you should explain to people what the basis of your skepticism is.

For example:

1 Have you personally met any of the girls that I have recommended or had any negative experiences whatsoever with them? As far as I can recall you have not requested contact details from any of them or had anything to do with them. Correct me if this is wrong?

2 Are you basing your skepticism on the general intuition that nobody ever helps anyone for no personal gain type reasoning? Fine, you can choose to live your life by such reasoning, you should thereby protect yourself from ever being scammed, but may also lose interesting opportunities because you are too cynical.

3 Are you basing your views on a character assassination conducted by "Gen" a month or two ago on one of the 5 or 6 girls that I have introduced to him and that he has spent the bulk of his time over the last 4 months or so with? As I explained at the time "Gen" was being what we in England call "economical with the truth" in his account of the matter for his own, in my view dishonourable reasons.

[Tally Wacker]

Here is some info on Port Barton, Palawan located about 1/2 way between Puerto Princessa and El Nido. I took a side trip here on my way to El Nido and ended up canceling my plans to El Nido and stayed 9 days here.

Port Barton is a quiet little fishing town that does not get alot of tourists because of the difficult dirt access road from the main interstate. The road has been patched up with cement in a few bad areas that became mud pits when it would rain but is now passable by car when dry but would require a 4-wheel drive when it is wet.

We stayed in what seemed to be the best resort in the area named Deep Gold located on the beach front in the center of the bay. Our beach front cottage cost 1000P a night and they do not accept credit cards so bring enough pesos with you if you stop here. If you run out of Pesos you can change your US dollars at a local store at a lower exchange rate.

The power in town only goes on from 5:30 PM to 12 midnight or longer and the Resort does have Wifi internet that can be accessed from the Restaurant / Bar or from some of the closser cottages.

The water in the bay was clean, clear and smooth like glass most of the time. There are many nice Islands and snorkeling spots that one of the many Boatman will take you to from 800P to 1000P for the day. There are also two different local Dive Shops and I understand the Diving is good at the outer reef.

No nightlife here so bring your own babe.

[Tally Wacker]

More Port Barton Photos.

[Tally Wacker]

More Port Barton Photos.

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[GregLondon]

More Port Barton Photos.She's a real dog TW . What were you thinking of?

Sorry I couldn't resist it. Thanks for the pics of PB. I've tended to be reluctant to advertise Palawan too much as its charm is not too many fellow tourists.

I guess I'm just selfish

[Mongrinastrlnd]

I think someone needs to either stop me or take away my mongering card. I've been in one place (province-side) for almost a week now, with one girl (the same one as the end of my last trip, a dating site contact, a sub-40kg 4'11" spinner, smart and educated). Turned down an invitation to come visit from Miss H in Cebu too in favor of staying. Think this is the first time ever I've come across a girl whose appetite is more than mine, I'm finding myself turning down "one more round" already despite assistance of fortifying vitamins.

No money changing hands, this one is a total keeper. Reinforces my opinion that you get out of the dating sites exactly as much as you put into it (this one was about 2 months worth of mail exchange 2-3x or more a day, after weeding out dozens of sub-par contacts).

[Cuba Tourist]

Puerto Galera is not so good any more. I have been coming here for a number of years over the Christmas new year time. There have always been six bars, although one closed and recently reopened under new name. When I first started coming here, there were dozens of really sweet girls from the provinces who really want to make the guest – that's the term they used – feel special.

Many of the girls were from relatively good backgrounds – their families were poor but they had relatively good educations, stable homes, and were good girls before entering the bar world. They came straight from their parents homes without having been in other bars in Manila or elsewhere. Over the past three or four years, this seems to have been changing.

You do have to take account of the fact that Christmas new year is a bad time to go – many of the girls go home to their families and there's generally a massive exodus. Also, there are Koreans who come into the bar – there's really only one good bar Venus and one fair bar Broadway, the other four in my opinion are awful –and bar fine five or 10 or 15 girls.

Nevertheless, this year has been by far the worst. Virtually all the girls are experienced bar girls. They are totally disinterested in providing service and are frequently interested only in Koreans, who tend to throw around a lot of cash. It is certainly true that they can make three or four times as much money going with Koreans. So it's a perfectly rational economic decision on their part, but It doesn't make me or other people like me particularly happy. The girls frequently have tattoos, most now shave – which I hate – and they have numerous other manifestations of what I guess we would call being hard-core.

There are much fewer Americans, Canadians, and especially Australians in town. There are lots of Europeans and a tremendous number of Koreans, who are in the process of overrunning the place. Some Europeans and virtually all Koreans are unfriendly and competitive. And perhaps they need to be competitive. Getting a pretty girl out of one of those two bars is not easy, especially if you show up more than 30 min. After opening at seven or 7:30 PM.

I have no idea exactly why this is happening but I suspect it is the result of several separate factors – American pressure on the government to stop [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), economic development – despite what many on this board say, the country is growing economically –, changing social patterns, and so forth. There is still tremendous opportunity here but, for those who remember the good old days, it is irritating. Perhaps I am a pessimist by nature, but I believe that things will get much worse in the next five or 10 years.

[DriveAllNight]

I don't know if it's because of the factors you've cited here, but I agree: Mongering in PG sucks compared to other parts of Phils. Hardened girls who perform poorly, narrow selection, and you need to bum-rush the bars by 8-9pm if you want to beat the crowd and grab something decent. YMMV of course, but it's gotten so bad that I've started bringing talent with me from Manila and restricting my patronage of the PG discos to barhopping.


Puerto Galera is not so good any more. I have been coming here for a number of years over the Christmas new year time. There have always been six bars, although one closed and recently reopened under new name. When I first started coming here, there were dozens of really sweet girls from the provinces who really want to make the guest – that's the term they used – feel special.

Many of the girls were from relatively good backgrounds – their families were poor but they had relatively good educations, stable homes, and were good girls before entering the bar world. They came straight from their parents homes without having been in other bars in Manila or elsewhere. Over the past three or four years, this seems to have been changing.

You do have to take account of the fact that Christmas new year is a bad time to go – many of the girls go home to their families and there's generally a massive exodus. Also, there are Koreans who come into the bar – there's really only one good bar Venus and one fair bar Broadway, the other four in my opinion are awful –and bar fine five or 10 or 15 girls.

Nevertheless, this year has been by far the worst. Virtually all the girls are experienced bar girls. They are totally disinterested in providing service and are frequently interested only in Koreans, who tend to throw around a lot of cash. It is certainly true that they can make three or four times as much money going with Koreans. So it's a perfectly rational economic decision on their part, but It doesn't make me or other people like me particularly happy. The girls frequently have tattoos, most now shave – which I hate – and they have numerous other manifestations of what I guess we would call being hard-core.

There are much fewer Americans, Canadians, and especially Australians in town. There are lots of Europeans and a tremendous number of Koreans, who are in the process of overrunning the place. Some Europeans and virtually all Koreans are unfriendly and competitive. And perhaps they need to be competitive. Getting a pretty girl out of one of those two bars is not easy, especially if you show up more than 30 min. After opening at seven or 7:30 PM.

I have no idea exactly why this is happening but I suspect it is the result of several separate factors – American pressure on the government to stop [CodeWord908] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908), economic development – despite what many on this board say, the country is growing economically –, changing social patterns, and so forth. There is still tremendous opportunity here but, for those who remember the good old days, it is irritating. Perhaps I am a pessimist by nature, but I believe that things will get much worse in the next five or 10 years.

[Localboy]

Could you comment on the quality of the women available?I thought they were of pretty good quality overall. The clubs (Phoenix and the other one whose name I can't remember) had some really nice ones. Tall, sexy, spoke English well. Can't complain. All the girls that I talked to were from Manila or Cavite. They came to PP to work since its not near their friends and family. Based on their job, makes sense I guess. I could easily see many of those girls working in Makati or at greenbelt. Very quality I thought. One girl that I talked to was 20, no kids, and stood about 5'9". Long silky legs. I think she could have been a model.

The local place. Golden bell (or whatever it is called) had more province girls. Still fun, but spoke little or no English, seemed to wear less makeup, and were more "country girls". If that makes any sense. This reminded me of girls that I would find in Puerto Galera a few years back, or girls that you would find in the Olongopo years back.

Hope that helps

[shadow_man67]

Anyone have any info on good AMP in santa rosa. Or any providers if there isn't.

[Econo Tech]

I don't know if it's because of the factors you've cited here, but I agree: Mongering in PG sucks compared to other parts of Phils. Hardened girls who perform poorly, narrow selection, and you need to bum-rush the bars by 8-9pm if you want to beat the crowd and grab something decent. YMMV of course, but it's gotten so bad that I've started bringing talent with me from Manila and restricting my patronage of the PG discos to barhopping.I would take offence to that, but not too violently: I got some contacts in PG, who are essentially Manila Girls Free-lancing there, and have a steady stock of buyers. . Maybe that's why I am a bit spoilt for quality.

[Andrewbaez]

I thought they were of pretty good quality overall. The clubs (Phoenix and the other one whose name I can't remember) had some really nice ones. Tall, sexy, spoke English well. Can't complain. All the girls that I talked to were from Manila or Cavite. They came to PP to work since its not near their friends and family. Based on their job, makes sense I guess. I could easily see many of those girls working in Makati or at greenbelt. Very quality I thought. One girl that I talked to was 20, no kids, and stood about 5'9". Long silky legs. I think she could have been a model.

The local place. Golden bell (or whatever it is called) had more province girls. Still fun, but spoke little or no English, seemed to wear less makeup, and were more "country girls". If that makes any sense. This reminded me of girls that I would find in Puerto Galera a few years back, or girls that you would find in the Olongopo years back.

Hope that helps

[Andrewbaez]

I thought they were of pretty good quality overall. The clubs (Phoenix and the other one whose name I can't remember) had some really nice ones. Tall, sexy, spoke English well. Can't complain. All the girls that I talked to were from Manila or Cavite. They came to PP to work since its not near their friends and family. Based on their job, makes sense I guess. I could easily see many of those girls working in Makati or at greenbelt. Very quality I thought. One girl that I talked to was 20, no kids, and stood about 5'9". Long silky legs. I think she could have been a model.

The local place. Golden bell (or whatever it is called) had more province girls. Still fun, but spoke little or no English, seemed to wear less makeup, and were more "country girls". If that makes any sense. This reminded me of girls that I would find in Puerto Galera a few years back, or girls that you would find in the Olongopo years back.

Hope that helpsI think the name is Echoes, is in Rizal Avenue near airport!

[Sprite13]

Any action or points of interest in Lapu Lapu as I'm escaping Sinulog in a decent beach resort as I'll be here till Sunday night when I'm returning back to BKK. I'd appreciate any tips / suggestions.

Thanks guys!

[GregLondon]

Any action or points of interest in Lapu Lapu as I'm escaping Sinulog in a decent beach resort as I'll be here till Sunday night when I'm returning back to BKK. I'd appreciate any tips / suggestions.

Thanks guys! Just to clarify for those not familiar. Lapu Lapu is the residential area on Mactan island where Cebu airport is located. It's a 200/350P 30/45 mins taxi ride from Cebu City. The girls can get between the two via jeep rides for say 40P taking say 1/1. 5 hours.

Most of the bars / clubs in Cebu are located in Cebu City. Lapu Lapu / Mactan has pretty limited nightlife options. Quite a few expats own or rent condos out in Mactan. As a rule of thumb the girls in LL are relatively conservative / provincial as the more open minded / naughty will tend to gravitate towards Cebu City where the nightlife is. There are some exceptions of course such as the girls who are / have in the past been live in GFs for the expats out there.

If you are using the dating sites you need to clarify whether girls are living in Cebu City or Mactan / Lapu Lapu or elsewhere in Provincial Cebu. In general girls will not be keen to travel between each of these areas unless they are very confident you exist, are truly in the Philippines, will treat them fairly, pay their fares etc because there are plenty of low life guys who find it fun to get a poor Filipina to travel an hour or two to meet him even though he may not actually be in the country / just intends to see what she looks like / wants to trick her into giving a "freebie" by telling her stories about how he is a "serious" guy looking for a wife etc.

I had a really fun / sexy girl I knew who was based in LL, but she has now moved to Prague. I do however have quite a few seemingly hot prospects from the dating sites who I did not get around to checking out face to face when I was in Cebu City. If you are interested to get their contact details just PM me, but I emphasis that I have not met these ones in person just on cam / texting so cannot vouch for whether they are really as hot as they claim to be etc.

[Sprite13]

Hey Greg,

Thans for the detailed reply. Tried to pm you about the prospects in Lapu Lapu but you've exceeded your pm capacity.

Would appreicate if you could swing some prospects here.

Cheers man.

[MauiDude]

Hi guys I met a DIA girl online (not F2F yet) who piques my curiosity. What's the mongering like there?I have been there and have not seen much? But I think in the main town there are some karoke?

But I went with a girl. And we walked around. I saw some potential for girls.

And also a friend met a really nice girl on dia and he said she was good. But I never heard of clubs out there?

Good water for snorkel and scuba. Out on the island, panglao? I think is the name.

[GregLondon]

Hey Greg,

Thans for the detailed reply. Tried to pm you about the prospects in Lapu Lapu but you've exceeded your pm capacity.

Would appreicate if you could swing some prospects here.

Cheers man. OK I've just deleted some messages. I wish Jackson would increase the inbox limit as 200 is not such a large no of messages for active users.

[Red Kilt]

<SNIP

I do however have quite a few seemingly hot prospects from the dating sites who I did not get around to checking out face to face when I was in Cebu City. If you are interested to get their contact details just PM me, but I emphasis that I have not met these ones in person just on cam / texting so cannot vouch for whether they are really as hot as they claim to be etc. Greg I know this has been discussed before but I don't understand why you are doing this. You are just encouraging guys to be lazy. Surely they can do their own trawling on DIA etc and establish the bone fides of girls for themselves.

If it was someone that you had already trial driven that you were recommending then OK I could understand it but in essence you are just passing on addresses of girls you have met on DIA to guys I assume that you have never met.
I think those of us who have met a few other ISG members are happy to "share" but I would be leery of passing on details of some sweet girls to just anyone on here.

Seems weird to me.

[Brymor]

Greg I know this has been discussed before but I don't understand why you are doing this. You are just encouraging guys to be lazy. Surely they can do their own trawling on DIA etc and establish the bone fides of girls for themselves.

If it was someone that you had already trial driven that you were recommending then OK I could understand it but in essence you are just passing on addresses of girls you have met on DIA to guys I assume that you have never met.

I think those of us who have met a few other ISG members are happy to "share" but I would be leery of passing on details of some sweet girls to just anyone on here.

Seems weird to me. I agree with you RK. I have already had guys PM me asking for details of girls I have met from my recent posts on the Cebu thread and one guy who I will not shame here, PM me asking me to share my techniques for meeting DIA girls. He has one post to his credit, how f*ing lazy is that!

If guys cannot meet girls in Cebu through their own meagre efforts, then humanity will fail and die out. Philippines is like shooting fish in a barrel, hell I was with a 70 year old pensioner from the UK yesterday and he was still pulling 25 year olds.

[GregLondon]

You guys crack me up sometimes.

At least being called "weird" is a step up from Rampada's suggestion that I am some sort of cheapo pimp. LOL.

I can however understand where you are coming from. We guys have been genetically programmed over the eons to be almost pathologically jealous regarding attractive women so when a guy offers to help out another with a few contacts it does seem "perverse" in a sense. However this is the Philippines and at least for those blessed with a working ATM card and a foreign face there is a super abundance of attractive prospects as you have both admitted so I think we can attempt to overcome our natural jealous, prospect guarding instincts.

Now let's step back here a little. We have a guy on his first trip to the Phils. He comes to Cebu perhaps never having heard of Sinolog or maybe thinking it will be a fun fiesta, rather than a time when prices are jacked up by 50% and everything is way overcrowded. He therefore decides to spend a few days at the end of his trip at a "Cebu" resort out in Mactan but then finds that all the babes are firmly attached to their rich BFs the security guards won't let the poor single girls inside. Being a long standing member of ISG with over 370 posts to his name (presumably some of which contain valuable bits of advice from his own area of expertise) , he figures he will politely ask the guys on ISG for some advice.

And what response does he get from long time Phils experts such as your good selves: Nothing apart from denouncing the one guy who attempts to help him out as a weirdo and intimating that he is "lazy" and should do his own homework and that to help him out would only encourage others to be equally "lazy".

I've sent this guy half a dozen YMs / Cell nos of girls I've found in Lapu Lapu over the last few months who were open minded and up for some compensated sexual encounters. I found them whilst searching for girls in Cebu City and only after chatting for a while discovered that they were infact based in LL and not keen on trekking out to meet me in CC. They seemed attractive enough on cam but as we all know you have to meet girls in person to find out what they are really like. I've no idea what kind of response he's going to get or whether any of them are going to turn out to be real winners but at least it's a useful start and with just 2 days left of his holiday in Cebu he hasn't got the luxury that both you guys and I have of spending weeks chatting to girls to sieve out the lady boys, scammers, single mums, girls who are infact in Angeles or Manila or back in their province, girls who are really looking for a "serious" relationship, girls who are twice as plump as their pic indicates, girls who are looking for 2000P a shot and all the rest. It's certainly not an ideal solution and if you have better plan go ahead and suggest it. For sure if you are a long term resident or experienced Phils operator you can probably work on some dates in the Mactan malls, but it's not the same as Ayala and SM where there are basically a bunch of girls who go there every day hunting for foreign P4P customers.

[Brymor]

Cult tQUOTE=GregLondon; 1112698]You guys crack me up sometimes.

At least being called "weird" is a step up from Rampada's suggestion that I am some sort of cheapo pimp. LOL.

GL.

I am pretty sure RK does not mean you are weird in the personal sense, he was reffering to the concept of what you are doing. I know your heart is in the right place and I am always willing to help members, I have done so many times in the past. I don't really like giving details of girls I have met purely from the point of view that if something goes wrong with the encounter I will get the blame, either from the girl herself or from the ISG member.

Look what happened to another member who passed on details of a girl in good faith, she then went and gave the guy an STD and he flamed the guy that helped him on one of the Philp threads. It is difficult to judge a guy's credentials from posts he has made and I have met guys admittedly in the very small minority, whom I would never make a referral for, simply because I know they will treat the girls badly.

As for helping guys with DIA girls in general, I look at it from the point of view that I have invested many many hours of work to narrow down half a dozen good candidates for each of my visits, you get out of it what you put in. The guy you were helping is obviously a regular contributor and I was agreeing with RK about the general concept and not the individual member you helped out.

Anyway I don't agree with the reference cheapo pimp. All the girls on Mango Square tell me you are taking a 40% cut. LOL

[Rampana]

At least being called "weird" is a step up from Rampada's suggestion that I am some sort of cheapo pimp. LOL.

GL,

Can you PLEASE stop flaming me here?

I, myself announced and stopped flaming you long time ago and even exchange PM with you about that.

Thank you,

Ram

PS: To make it clear again: I NEVER and under ANY circumstances I told you a "cheapo pimp". Read my posts carefully before misinterpreting myself.

[Hairy Wonder]

I for one am glad that there are members like GregLondon, Wicked Roger, and others, that are willing to pass on some of their own knowledge gained from previous experiences. After all, isn't that what this site is all about? Granted, there are some guys that will tell the girls about our forums here, or treat the girls badly, or blame the provider of the information for what they feel is a bad referral. But everyone should understand that not all have the same tastes. What one feels is a great girl, another might feel is not worth their time. I have not personnally received any contacts through this forum, but some have been offered. I have not been able to make the trip across the pond to enjoy the fruits of the Philippines in quite a while. But when I do return there again, I hope there will be ISG members willing to help me, if I need it.

HW

[JimMorison]

I lived in the area for a while. It was a great read, I was there with you in Footlights. LOL.


There really isn't much info on La Union Province on ISG. I happened to be near San Fernando City, in La Union province, for a few of days on business, so I dropped in on an old friend of mine who is semi-retired and lives in the area. He is in his 60's, living off his US military pension, I'll call him Tom.

Just to the North of San Fernando is what used to be Wallace Air Force Base. The Americans moved out in 1991, now it's the Philippine military that run an air base there. Just south of San Fernando City, actually in Bauang, on MacArthur Highway, is a small strip of about 4 or 5 girly bars, which seem to be the remnants of the R 'and' R area back in the heyday when the US Military was here. There remains a small community of older white guys in the area, mainly Americans, many on military pensions, that have retired there and seem happy to hang out at the few bars, drink, and fondle and kiss the bargirls' tits.

The night I arrived, Tom meets me at my hotel and invites me to check out the "local cultural establishments". He takes me to Footlights nightclub, a girly bar! How did he know what I was thinking? The place is just south of San Fernando City, close to Bali Hai and Coconut Grove resort. It seems to be the best of the 4 or 5 girly bars in the area. There are also KTV bars nearby where there is some action to be had, but Tom prefers the straight-up girly bars.

We walk into Footlights around 7 pm, and all the girls cheer when he walks in. I guess he is well known there. He claims he has kissed every girl's breasts in the bar, and I don't doubt it. He has a Filipina gf for the past 8 years, so he is only allowed to touch and kiss the breasts of the bargirls. No boom-boom unless the GF is there for a 3some. Occasionally they go to Angeles for a 3some. Tom is hilarious. He's been in the Phils for over 30 years, and he has a ton of stories about bar girls, etc.

Anyways we sit down at a table close to the stage. The atmosphere is relaxed. There are about 5-10 girls on stage dancing in bikinis, and about 5-10 mingling around the tables with the customers, many who are a bit older. There were maybe 10-20 guys there, many seem like regulars. The music was not too bad, and not too loud. Every few songs, the girls switch; those on stage take a break and mingle with the customers, and the ones mingling around get on stage. The mamasan will ask you politely if you would like to buy a lady-drink, but if you say no, they leave you alone, no pressure.

Tom gives me the lowdown: Barfine is 1200 p, ladies drinks are 110 p, rum and coke is 70 p. Kiss of the breasts is 20 to 40 p. He actually has devised a cool way to pay for the breast kiss. He uses his cell phone to transfer load from his phone to the bargirl's phone, so that the bar doesn't get a cut! Wow! Amazing, the modern technology! Always carry lots of load, because the girls always need load!

We talk for a while with his buddy, who is also a retired American guy. He has this chick beside her,"Apple". She is 22, cute face, smiling, a bit of a party animal, seems like a real firecracker. She flashes her nice perky youthful breasts, and takes off her top for a while, to show off what she's got. Apple's sister comes by,"Heart". She is 26, also kinda cute, seems a bit calmer than Apple, but I think Apple is a bit cuter. Heart talks with me for a while; she obviously wants me to pay her barfine, but I wait, to see if better prospects will come my way.

Tom assures me that Heart and Apple are bisexual and quite happy to do a 3some. Hmm, something to keep in mind.

After about 5 rum and cokes, Tom offers me a lift back to my hotel. We get in his car, but I suddenly have the urge to go back to Footlights to get a girl, so he drops me off and I hop on a trike to go back. As soon as I walk in, Apple notices me and calls out my name from the stage and motions me over. The other guy left without her, so I guess she is all mine. The other girls don't seem as cute, so I ask her if she wants to leave with me. She flashes a big smile and says, let's go! So I take her out for 1200p – what a bargain! I ask her if she is hungry, she says yes, so we go to a beach resort very close by, the Bali Hai. We have a quick bite to eat there, get a trike, and head back to my hotel.

Back at my room, we both have a shower, and we hop in bed. She gives great boom-boom. I can't remember all the details, but she definitely knows what she is doing. About 30 min after the deed is done, we are just lying in bed, and she starts toying with me, and gets me hard again. She seems to want round 2 already! I'm in my early 40's, so I know at my age I won't be able to come again just yet. I know I will probably need a bit more time to recharge (unless I haven't had it for a long while, but I have been getting a lot of nooky for the past year). Anyway, I give it to her for a while, but no more cream in the pot for now, so we eventually fall asleep. About 5 am, I wake up a bit, and we go at it again, but this time I unload. Her performance is at least an 8 or 9 in my opinion.

She was a great in the sack, but not much emotional connection. She was a bit of an airhead, she seemed a bit spaced out in the morning. Not much between the ears I guess. Kind of hard to have a conversation, so I decide not to see her again.

Anyways, after a space cadet morning with Apple, I had to do some work with a bit of hangover. I get back to my hotel at 8 pm after long day. As soon as I get back to my room, Tom texts me to see if I want to go out again. Uh, sure, I guess. Geez, he parties pretty hard for an old guy.

So we go back to Footlights. This time I decide not to drink too much, because I don't want to go to work the next day with another hangover.

This night, Apple is not there, but I do notice another girl who strikes me as cute. She has just a hint of chubbiness, cute face, but she seems kind of nervous or distracted or something. No other girls tickle my fancy, so Tom and I decide to check out the other place across the street, I think it is called Stilettos. There are only 3 or 4 girls there, none look good, so we bolt out of there after one quick drink and go straight back to Footlights.

We have another couple of drinks. I mention to Tom that the slightly chubby one is cute to me. Tom seems to want to call it an early night, so to expedite matters, he tells the Mamasan I want to talk to her, so the girl gets off stage and talks to me. I'll call her Vanessa. She's 19, been at the bar 5 months. We chit chat for a bit. I ask her if she wants to go my hotel with me?"Ok"! Off we go for only 1200 p.

We get to my hotel. She says,"Last night you went with Apple, right?" Yes, how did you know?"Apple is my friend!" Hmm, ok. I gather maybe that's why she is a bit uncomfortable, doesn't want to intrude on her friend's turf. I try to reassure her that I'm not interested in Apple, only her!

She still seems a bit nervous or uncomfortable. I do my best to reassure her, try to make her at ease. I am actually feeling quite tired, but as soon as I turn out the lights, she goes at it! Great kisser, but I can taste a bit of nicotine. Turns out she has a pierced tongue.

Next the clothes come off. She has a perfect body, young, firm, tight, that only the under-22 girls seem to have. She gave such a great BJ, I almost lost it! I had to get her to stop! Then I go down on her, she had a great wet sweet puss.

Then she climbed on me and gave the ride of my life! Wow! She gave me a very passionate and vigorous cowgirl, for quite a long time. I hung on for a while to see if she could come with me. She seemed very close, but not quite, so finally I had to let go of my jets. She made me cum hard. I was amazed that she seemed to almost be there too. Usually it would take a lot of practice together to get the hang of coming together.

In the morning, she still seems kinda nervous or agitated or something. At least we can have a bit of conversation. I ask her a bit about her life. She lived with a Filipino guy for 2 years, starting at only 17. Some 40 year-old Aussie surfer guy saw her for a few months, but it didn't work out. He didn't mind that she worked at a club, but I guess he was seeing other girls, so she didn't like that. He lives in the Phils, with no obvious source of income. I'm curious how this guy can afford to just surf and screw bar girls, but Vanessa doesn't know. She alludes to some other situation or problem, but it does not involve a guy. I only found out later what it was.

She tells me she is picky with barfines, she'll only go if the guy is nice and not old. Nice to know. She hasn't gone on a barfine for 2 weeks before me, so the mileage is perhaps not too high.

Anyway, I ask if she would like to see me again that night, she says sure. She suggests I go back to the club to pay her barfine, but I say, why can't we just meet for dinner? She says ok, but you have to pay my barfine up front. She only gets 550p of it, the bar gets the rest. I guess the bar is savvy enough to know what she is doing if she doesn't show up. Geez, can't she just call in sick? So I give her 1500p, and tell her I'll text her when I'm done with work. I tell her I can taste cigarette when we kiss, and I get her to promise me she won't smoke during the time that she is with me.

We exchange a few texts over lunch while I'm working. At 4 pm, she goes to the bar to pay her own barfine. When I'm done at 5, she meets me at my hotel. We have a drink and watch the sunset. We decide to go to Coconut Grove resort for dinner. It might be slightly nicer than the place I'm at, but very similar. Plus it's close to Footlights, and she wants to drop by there after dinner. I am wondering why she is so keen to go to her work; I found out much later why! She says it's because she wants to talk with her cousin (I found out later this was a small white lie).

Anyways, we have dinner at Coconut Grove. It seems like a nice resort. She still seems a bit uncomfortable or distracted. I had already asked her if she wanted to come with me to a certain place elsewhere in the Philippines for a little vacation the following week Says she wants to, but she seemed so uncomfortable, that I tell her she doesn't have to if she doesn't want to. She says of course she wants to come. We talk about price. She says that she will have to give the bar her barfine for everyday she is away. I offer her 2000 p per day, but I would prefer she gets all of it, but apparently the bar has to get its cut.

We had another great boom-boom that night, similar to the previous. I try my luck again in the morning (because she makes me hard, such a great body, why not go for seconds?) Anyway, she seems shy to do it in daylight. Kind of cute. Still young and a bit low on miles I guess. I desist and do some paperwork.

To make along story short, I did end up taking her to another vacation spot in the Philippines the following week. We ended up chatting with another bargirl there one night, I'll call her BG #2. Vanessa did seem to settle down a bit, but she still seemed uncomfortable, so a few days later, I cut her loose. As soon as I do, she starts sending me texts,"I miss you", etc. Ah well, too late for that now. Strange how these Filipinas seem to communicate better by text rather than face to face.

A few days later, I spent a few days with BG #2, and she eventually told me that Vanessa was lesbian! She was surprised I didn't know, it was no big secret, so she thought. Vanessa has a live-in girlfriend (also a bar-girl) back home that she was missing, although they fight all the time. Ah-ha! That explains why she seemed so uncomfortable, and why she was so keen to go to her workplace that night. Anyway, she was still a great lay. I am amazed that a lesbian can give such a great BJ! Wow!

So that is my story on La Union. Probably not a true pooning destination, but if you happen to be in the area, there is some action to be had.

Cheers and happy pooning!

[Redman69]

Yea, I agree with you hairy.

Went a few months ago. And all the info was a great help. Not everything worked out all the time. But I had a great time. Did and saw things I have allways wanted too. Yes I will do things differently on the next trip. But I paid for my learning experinces. And those are the best ones. You learn from your own memorys.

As far as DIA, Man you do have to invest lots of time to weed out what you are looking for. So good contacts that you can go to their profile and see if they hit your fancy would be helpfull.

I thank everybody who gave me advice. And I still owe DS a cantour of Richards, Wild Irish Rose.

[X Man]

GL didn't flame you. Does anyone think that GregLondon is provoking Rampana? If you read the whole post, it sounds like good hearted banter to me. I haven't read every post between the two, but I fail to see a reason for any continued antagonism. X.


GL,

Can you PLEASE stop flaming me here?

I, myself announced and stopped flaming you long time ago and even exchange PM with you about that.

Thank you,

Ram.

PS: To make it clear again: I NEVER and under ANY circumstances I told you a "cheapo pimp". Read my posts carefully before misinterpreting myself.

[Brymor]

I arrived in Cagayan De Oro yesterday from Cebu, the flight had been delayed by an hour and then we spent another 20 minutes sat on the runway waiting to take off. I didn't mind too much since the flight itself was well under an hour.

Phoned through to the Marco my usual place of abode in CDO but there was a problem with the booking and now they have no rooms available due to some business convention taking place there. A hotel rep at the airport offered a promotional rate of 1600 at the Country Village, a resort hotel in Camen about 15 minutes in a cab from downtown. As he was also offeing free transport there, I thought why not.

After checking in I was very disappointed, the hotel had seen much better days. The rooms were very tired, and the whole resort seemed like it had seen better days, however it did have a fairly decent swimming pool and free wi fi in the lobby. I came down from my room to use the wifi and then went into town for food. I dumped the T shirt and shorts put on a long sleeved shirt and chinos and headed off to the Laguna Cafe near Ayalla It is one of the nicest and most expensive restaraunts in CDO but I wanted to sit down in comfort and enjoy some decent food. Just as I was about to go in to the place there was a power cut affecting the whole block, leaving the restaraunt in complete darkness. Whether they had a problem with their generator or what, I don't know, but as other places seemed to get their power back quickly, the Laguna seemed to remain in darkness. I was in no mood to wait, I was starving hungry so headed across the street to the Golden Cowrie, what a big mistake that was. Probably the worst food I have ever been served since I started coming to the Philppines. The kankong arrived ahead of the main meal and I managed to eat that before the rest of the main course arrived. The rice was lukewarm and overcooked and the fried shrimp in garlic had so much oil left on it, that there was a pool of it on the base of the plate. I left the meal mostly uneaten, complained angrily to the manager before paying my bill and walking out. Finally ended up having a pizza, not quite what I had originally intended but I was too hungry to waste any more time and it wasn't too bad at all.

Had a walk round Divisoria at about 11pm and the place was teeming with very young street hookers many of them definitely jail bait. Actually this is the busiest I have seen Divisoria at this time of night with the hookers at least, they tend to hang out around one or two specific blocks west of Velez Street as you head South and before you get to the Bank De Oro. The same pimp I see every time I come here was hanging about the outside of the VIP hotel, offering girls at 1500 pesos. I chat with him everytime I see him, he even knows me by name but I have never taken a girl from him yet. Anyone who pays 1500 for a girl here is crazy since most girls are happy to let foreign men pay 500 for short time, still more than double what a Pinoy will pay. If a pimp or anyone else tries to charge you 1500, walk away because you are being ripped off.

There are many makeshift bars in the area that may seem very very seedy, but they are surprisingly friendly and I have yet to meet any foreigner who has had a problem there. In fact I would go so far as to say that CDO is one of the friendliest and safest places I have encountered in the Philippines and I have never felt uncomfortable even when walking around very late at night. There is not really much to recommend the place for visiting or a vacation, although as a mongering destination it has enormous potential if you like freelancers or regular girls. CDO is a convenient place to stop if you want to explore Mindanao or visit Camiguin, but the city itself is uninspiring to say the least.

Today I had breakfast at the hotel and it was terrible. Was told I could not have orange juice AND coffee, only one or the other. The free wifi which I really needed was not working and with that I went upstairs to pack and check out.

Met a girl today I have known for just over a year at Limketkai Mall. She is not my type, aged 27 and very slim but her face just dosen't do it for me though she is not ugly. She is a principled girl and I have never slept with her since she is looking to settle down and get married and won't sleep with a guy unless she is sure about him. I have been honest with her right from the start about my intentions but she is nice company, loyal and honest and she would actually make a great wife for someone. We went for food and I saw her off in a taxi late this afternoon. Had a walk round some of the less well known streets from Limketkai Mall to Divisoria and was stopped every half block or so my young girls wanting to chat. Two really cute, slim girls were sat outside a tin shack called home, I later learned they were sisters aged 18 and 21. We got chatting until their mom came out from inside the house, who was actually probably younger than me. She beckoned to the girls and said to me "you like them, they have no boyfriend you want?" They didn't have a cell phone and I was on my way back, but what an opportunity that I sadly had to decline. If you get a little off the main roads here, there are limitless opportunities to meet girls, all you need is a friendly smile and a willingness to stop and chat. I may return to the area tomorrow to exploit those opportunities.

Mortman

[Gaijin Gigolo]

I arrived in Cagayan De Oro yesterday from Cebu, the flight had been delayed by an hour and then we spent another 20 minutes sat on the runway waiting to take off. I didn't mind too much since the flight itself was well under an hour.

Phoned through to the Marco my usual place of abode in CDO but there was a problem with the booking and now they have no rooms available due to some business convention taking place there. A hotel rep at the airport offered a promotional rate of 1600 at the Country Village, a resort hotel in Camen about 15 minutes in a cab from downtown. As he was also offeing free transport there, I thought why not.

After checking in I was very disappointed, the hotel had seen much better days. The rooms were very tired, and the whole resort seemed like it had seen better days, however it did have a fairly decent swimming pool and free wi fi in the lobby. I came down from my room to use the wifi and then went into town for food. I dumped the T shirt and shorts put on a long sleeved shirt and chinos and headed off to the Laguna Cafe near Ayalla It is one of the nicest and most expensive restaraunts in CDO but I wanted to sit down in comfort and enjoy some decent food. Just as I was about to go in to the place there was a power cut affecting the whole block, leaving the restaraunt in complete darkness. Whether they had a problem with their generator or what, I don't know, but as other places seemed to get their power back quickly, the Laguna seemed to remain in darkness. I was in no mood to wait, I was starving hungry so headed across the street to the Golden Cowrie, what a big mistake that was. Probably the worst food I have ever been served since I started coming to the Philppines. The kankong arrived ahead of the main meal and I managed to eat that before the rest of the main course arrived. The rice was lukewarm and overcooked and the fried shrimp in garlic had so much oil left on it, that there was a pool of it on the base of the plate. I left the meal mostly uneaten, complained angrily to the manager before paying my bill and walking out. Finally ended up having a pizza, not quite what I had originally intended but I was too hungry to waste any more time and it wasn't too bad at all.

Had a walk round Divisoria at about 11pm and the place was teeming with very young street hookers many of them definitely jail bait. Actually this is the busiest I have seen Divisoria at this time of night with the hookers at least, they tend to hang out around one or two specific blocks west of Velez Street as you head South and before you get to the Bank De Oro. The same pimp I see every time I come here was hanging about the outside of the VIP hotel, offering girls at 1500 pesos. I chat with him everytime I see him, he even knows me by name but I have never taken a girl from him yet. Anyone who pays 1500 for a girl here is crazy since most girls are happy to let foreign men pay 500 for short time, still more than double what a Pinoy will pay. If a pimp or anyone else tries to charge you 1500, walk away because you are being ripped off.

There are many makeshift bars in the area that may seem very very seedy, but they are surprisingly friendly and I have yet to meet any foreigner who has had a problem there. In fact I would go so far as to say that CDO is one of the friendliest and safest places I have encountered in the Philippines and I have never felt uncomfortable even when walking around very late at night. There is not really much to recommend the place for visiting or a vacation, although as a mongering destination it has enormous potential if you like freelancers or regular girls. CDO is a convenient place to stop if you want to explore Mindanao or visit Camiguin, but the city itself is uninspiring to say the least.

Today I had breakfast at the hotel and it was terrible. Was told I could not have orange juice AND coffee, only one or the other. The free wifi which I really needed was not working and with that I went upstairs to pack and check out.

Met a girl today I have known for just over a year at Limketkai Mall. She is not my type, aged 27 and very slim but her face just dosen't do it for me though she is not ugly. She is a principled girl and I have never slept with her since she is looking to settle down and get married and won't sleep with a guy unless she is sure about him. I have been honest with her right from the start about my intentions but she is nice company, loyal and honest and she would actually make a great wife for someone. We went for food and I saw her off in a taxi late this afternoon. Had a walk round some of the less well known streets from Limketkai Mall to Divisoria and was stopped every half block or so my young girls wanting to chat. Two really cute, slim girls were sat outside a tin shack called home, I later learned they were sisters aged 18 and 21. We got chatting until their mom came out from inside the house, who was actually probably younger than me. She beckoned to the girls and said to me "you like them, they have no boyfriend you want?" They didn't have a cell phone and I was on my way back, but what an opportunity that I sadly had to decline. If you get a little off the main roads here, there are limitless opportunities to meet girls, all you need is a friendly smile and a willingness to stop and chat. I may return to the area tomorrow to exploit those opportunities.

MortmanVery interesting. I may have expand my horizons a bit. How much of an expat presence is there in CDO?

[Brymor]

There is quite a large well established expat community here although to be honest, there is a large minority of guys living here off social security benefits or pensions, who have nothing better to do with their time, other than sit in cheap bars all day, drinking too much because they have nothing better to do and watching every penny they spend. Some of these guys look like they need a good bath and a change of clothes but I am sure every city in the Philippines has these kind of guys. Lots of decent guys here as well, you certainly will not be lonely if you need company.

I was out with an old friend of mine tonight who is from Holland and lives in CDO. We did a tour around all the girlie bars in CDO and I was surprised to find that there are large numbers of bars here, all located within a few blocks of each other West off Velez Street in Divisoria. I went to a club called Geon tonight, drinks were only 60 pesos for an SML and the was at least 15 girls available. Now I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and judging beauty is a subjective thing, but I swear to God, the quality of the girls in this club would rival, if not better anything I have ever seen in Cebu and I have frequented most of the clubs in Cebu. In fact there seems to be as many bars here, as there are in Cebu City and Mandaue.

In Geon the girls were truly stunning but when I asked the bartender how much the bar fine was, I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Bar fine here is 3500 but maybe because it sits over the top of a Japanese restaraunt, I guess it attracts wealthy Japanese or Korean clients, but there were none in evidence in the club tonight.

In fact the club was semi full with local guys and though I really did like the girls, no way am I paying 3500 that is insane IMHO. We had a couple of beers and left. Next stop was a larger club called Nu Wave, girls were of good quality but the bar fine again was 3500. My Dutch friend who lives here tells me this is the standard going rate now in most of the bars, but Hot Babes let me bar fine a girl last year for 1000. Hot Babes is still open but it was getting late and I was ready to go home and sleep.

Divisoria and the few blocks just off Velez Street have a very lively street hooker scene and there are a wealth of bars available with some top quality girls, some of them model material. I will try and visit some of the other bars later this week and I will add some further FR's

[Gaijin Gigolo]

There is quite a large well established expat community here although to be honest, there is a large minority of guys living here off social security benefits or pensions, who have nothing to do than sit in cheap bars all day, drinking too much because they have nothing better to do and watching every penny they spend. Some of these guys look like they need a good bath and a change of clothes but I am sure every city in the Philippines has these kind of guys. Lots of decent guys here as well, you certainly will not be lonely if you need company.

I was out with an old friend of mine tonight who is from Holland and lives in CDO. We did a tour around all the girlie bars in CDO and I was surprised to find that there are large numbers of bars here, all located within a few blocks of each other West off Velez Street in Divisoria. I went to a club called Geon tonight, drinks were only 60 pesos for an SML and the was at least 15 girls available. Now I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder and judging beauty is a subjective thing, but I sear to God, the quality of the girls in this club would rival, if not better anything I have ever seen in Cebu and I have frequented most of the clubs in Cebu. In fact there seems to be as many bars here, as there are in Cebu City and Mandaue.

In Geon the girls were truly stunning but when I asked the bartender how much the bar fine was, I nearly fell off my chair laughing. Bar fine here is 3500 but maybe because it sits over the top of a Japanese restaraunt, I guess it attracts wealthy Japanese or Korean clients, but there were none in evidence in the club tonight.

In fact the club was semi full with local guys and though I really did like the girls, no way am I paying 3500 that is insane IMHO. We had a couple of beers and left. Next stop was a larger club called Nu Wave, girls were of good quality but the bar fine again was 3500. My Dutch friend who lives here tells me this is the standard going rate now in most of the bars, but Hot Babes let me bar fine a girl last year for 1000. Hot Babes is still open but it was getting late and I was ready to go home and sleep.

Divisoria and the few blocks just off Velez Street have a very lively street hooker scene and there are a wealth of bars available with some top quality girls, some of them model material. I will try and visit some of the other bars later this week and I will add some further FR'sTons of excellent info already mate. Much appreciated. Wherever I go, I'll probably opt for as many DIA hookups as possible rather than the bar scene though, which I'm not a fan of really. I had heard the girls in Mindanao are a lot more conservative and harder to approach, or at least less willing to jump in the sack with some foreign guy, but apparently this isn't the case, at least not in CDO. Thanks again for the tips.

[Member #4351]

G. G, I suggest you read the posts here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3123-Cagayan-De-Oro-City

I know Mortman and he is a young good looking guy with a lot of charm. Does a lot better with the cuties than I do. You might be a hansum man also, but Dragon Slayer's posts are interesting and might give you a different outlook on DIA girls in CDO.

[Gaijin Gigolo]

G. G, I suggest you read the posts here:

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3123-Cagayan-De-Oro-City

I know Mortman and he is a young good looking guy with a lot of charm. Does a lot better with the cuties than I do. You might be a hansum man also, but Dragon Slayer's posts are interesting and might give you a different outlook on DIA girls in CDO. Coolio. Thanks a lot mate!

[Brymor]

David33

I wish the girls in my own country thought the same as the girls in the Philippines, then I might really start believing I am a handsome man!

I deleted a post about CDO and I have added it to DS's board as he has a dedicated CDO thread.

Mortman

[Sky Ryder]

I don't know if it's because of the factors you've cited here, but I agree: Mongering in PG sucks compared to other parts of Phils. Hardened girls who perform poorly, narrow selection, and you need to bum-rush the bars by 8-9pm if you want to beat the crowd and grab something decent. YMMV of course, but it's gotten so bad that I've started bringing talent with me from Manila and restricting my patronage of the PG discos to barhopping.D. A. N,

I have to admit that I have no point of reference as far as PG history is concerned, but based on my visit the week before Christmas I would tend to agree with your assessment of the talent in P. G. I had read all the info available here about P. G. And even contacted a couple of friends that had visited in Sep / Oct. What I found was a relatively small selection and you are correct about the impact made by the Korean contingent. I spoke with one of the girls, who turned down my BF offer and when I asked why, she told me that she had already "promised" someone to see them that night. When I asked why she was still in the bar, she didn't know, other than a big group of Korean guys came in, bar fined about 10 gals, paid the fine, then left and told them the would be back later.

I hadn't thought of this technique, but maybe it works pretty good for everyone.

I plan to go back in the next couple of months and we will see how that works out.

I do think that arranging a massage from one of the free lancers or when one of the massage girls gets off work might be another avenue to pursue, although I am not sure if that "quality" level meets everyone's desires.

All this means is that there is just more research to be done. Work, work, work. It just never ends!

[Devils 1]

I spoke with one of the girls, who turned down my BF offer and when I asked why, she told me that she had already "promised" someone to see them that night. When I asked why she was still in the bar, she didn't know, other than a big group of Korean guys came in, bar fined about 10 gals, paid the fine, then left and told them the would be back later.

I hadn't thought of this technique, but maybe it works pretty good for everyone.I recently heard of one this from one of my friends who is a big Pattaya guy. What you do is pay half of the bar fine to reserve the girl. Then you return later to pay the balance and collect the girl if you decide she is the one. The idea being you are free to shop other venues and return if you don't find anything better.

[Bigcebu]

but based on my visit the week before ChristmasRule No. 1:

Never ever travel between Dec. 15 and Jan. 15!

By far the worst time of the year (that applies for every country in the world).

[DriveAllNight]

D. A. N,

I have to admit that I have no point of reference as far as PG history is concerned, but based on my visit the week before Christmas I would tend to agree with your assessment of the talent in P. G. I had read all the info available here about P. G. And even contacted a couple of friends that had visited in Sep / Oct. What I found was a relatively small selection and you are correct about the impact made by the Korean contingent. I spoke with one of the girls, who turned down my BF offer and when I asked why, she told me that she had already "promised" someone to see them that night. When I asked why she was still in the bar, she didn't know, other than a big group of Korean guys came in, bar fined about 10 gals, paid the fine, then left and told them the would be back later.

I hadn't thought of this technique, but maybe it works pretty good for everyone.

I plan to go back in the next couple of months and we will see how that works out.

I do think that arranging a massage from one of the free lancers or when one of the massage girls gets off work might be another avenue to pursue, although I am not sure if that "quality" level meets everyone's desires.

All this means is that there is just more research to be done. Work, work, work. It just never ends! Hey SR-

I just spent 6 nights in Sabang about a week ago. Barhopped every night with a buddy of mine who lives there, and I only barfined once. Limited choices, and what was available seldom had the right attitude.

So I stand by my previous words concerning mongering in PG. And I don't think I'll ever visit the place again without bringing some takeout with me from Manila.

[Irony Monger]

I read somewhere that you can get a direct flight from Manila to El Nido. Anybody have pointers to the airline (s)? Any ideas on price?

[Tally Wacker]

I read somewhere that you can get a direct flight from Manila to El Nido. Anybody have pointers to the airline (s)? Any ideas on price?Http://www.flyseair.com/

[GreenBud]

Just left the Sabang area after a week of partying.

I thought it was good. There's a complaint of the limited selection. Well it definitely isn't the size of Angeles. There are 6 girlie bars; maybe couple of hundred instead of thousands of girls. There should be a couple you can find. They still cost 2,000 pesos total (1,000 barfine and 1,000 tip).

There's also a complaint of Koreans coming in early and reserving the best girls. Well, duh; that occurs everywhere, especially in high season and not just with the Koreans. I hope it's just the Euros and Aussies whining; I believe in the American spirit of competition - "sink or swim", "early bird gets the worm", "you snooze you lose". I say compete and win. Come in half an hour earlier.

I love the 50 or 60 pesos beers in the girlie bars; 35 peso beers at other bars; it can be cheap to become an alcoholic. LOL!

[Sky Ryder]

Just left the Sabang area after a week of partying.

I thought it was good. There's a complaint of the limited selection. Well it definitely isn't the size of Angeles. There are 6 girlie bars; maybe couple of hundred instead of thousands of girls. There should be a couple you can find. They still cost 2, 000 pesos total (1, 000 barfine and 1, 000 tip).

There's also a complaint of Koreans coming in early and reserving the best girls. Well, duh; that occurs everywhere, especially in high season and not just with the Koreans. I hope it's just the Euros and Aussies whining; I believe in the American spirit of competition."sink or swim","early bird gets the worm","you snooze you lose". I say compete and win. Come in half an hour earlier.

I love the 50 or 60 pesos beers in the girlie bars; 35 peso beers at other bars; it can be cheap to become an alcoholic. LOL! G. B,

Thanks for the heads up, and I agree with another comment that I was there at a "bad" time. At least now I know the "program" and will be better equipped to maximize my "fun quotient" on the next visit. Can't wait!

I also enjoyed the cheap beer and for the most part the beach setting is right up my alley. I try not to set my goals too high when it comes to "company" as long as it is for one night only. If I had brought my own sand to the beach, well different story.

Sky

[Toronto]

Recently spent three weeks in PI (end of Dec / beg Jan). Don't really have anything of value to add for Manila or Cebu, just meeting CB girls and hitting on regular girls. Met with WR in Cebu, great guy and willing to help in many ways. Seems to know many girls there. Spent time in Palawan but nothing to add since with a girl. Same for Bantayan Island.

Did spend three nights in Tacloban. Although I had some CB contacts it was completely random. Literally bought a ticket on 30th and flew there on 31st. Stayed at Leyte Park Resort since I assumed it was the nicest place there. Probably was a kickass place 20 years ago but now it's dated, worn down and in serious need of updating. They do have a few villa types with private pools and renovated recently but they go for over US$200 per night. My cottage was around 2600P per night. The seafood restaurant was closed under reno and the regular restaurant served medicore and relatively overpriced food. Did not check out the bar. Several foreigners staying there but all appeared to have come as couples with pinay GF / wives.

Out of about dozen that I texted, more than half did not live in the city or anywhere near it. They admitted they just put Tacloban because they figure guys would recognize it. Of course I hadn't spent much time messaging them beforehand not thinking I would actually go there so no big deal. They all seemed more than willing to catch the bus for couple hrs to meet but being New Years and constant rain seemed to make it difficult. But who really knows. The ones that actually lived in the city all turned up to meet. The girls, at least the ones I met, seemed much more conservative than the girls in Cebu or Manila. Outside of the hotel in places like the mall, I saw virtually no foreigners. Could have been time of the year also.

As far as girls go, the CB girls I met took at least two or three dates before I could get them in bed. I met and spent time with them anyway since I got to do some interesting things (at least for me) like seeing how they live. I mean I really had no idea until I saw the room one of the girls lived in. It was size of a little closet and was meant for two. She slept on a mini makeshift bunkbed with no padding whatsoever. I did peak at a bar with girls wearing plaid school uniform type skirts but did not investigate. The goldmine seems to be the regular girls at malls. I'm an Asian guy in my 30's and I have never had one girl approach me in Manila or Cebu in two trips. In Tacloban, I was constantly getting approached while I was killing time in the malls waiting for CB girls. Now I'm not talking about working girls cruising the mall like I have seen in Cebu or Manila but just regular girls who actually work at the stores. So a caucasian guy should have a field day here theoretically. Because one of the CB girls is a gem I like to see again, I may just go back next trip and work the mall more. May also check out that bar if just to provide info here.

[Don K]

I've gotten girls from a few Sabang discos (Broadway, Venus, Pussycat). All moderate to good to great GFE. But on my last trip I got a quick trickster out of Sabang Disco (coming from the main road into town, it the first one on the left). Barfined her, took her the hotel. She was quick about it, zero GFE, bad attitude, and finished in about 1/2 and hour. Then she puts her clothes on, makes an excuse about having a brother in town who is in trouble and says she has to go. So I say ok and I give her 500 (1000 is expected for overnight). So she complains and I say, ok, lets go talk to your mama. Walk quickly back to Sabang Disco with her babbling on her cellphone behind and find that the mama is equally not interested in customer service. Had to create a scene in front of the disco. To avoid dealing with the small-town cops that they threatened, I paid the 1000 and chalked it up as a bad experience.

But then I walked back and chatted with my hotel guard who had seen the whole thing and he said that there had recently been a similar situation from Sabang Disco with a Japanese guest. Also I realized that some of my friends had gotten girls from there with either bad attitudes or who had tried sob stories to get them to give extra money (like one that wanted to help her parents with a sick cow). Either way, I won't be visiting that disco again.

[Tally Wacker]

Anyone planning on going to El Nido? I was in Palawan recently but did not make it all the way to El Nido. I have (2) nights credit at the 5 star resort Miniloc Island that I would like to sell. The credit is PHP9, 430 nett x 2 nights. I will sell it for PHP10, 000.

Here are some links below about resort. Let me know if your interested.

http://www.elnidoresorts.com/

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Rev...o_Palawan.html

http://www.google.com/images?q=minil...w=1007&bih=479

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[Mongrinastrlnd]

Stayed at Leyte Park Resort since I assumed it was the nicest place there. Probably was a kickass place 20 years ago but now it's dated, worn down and in serious need of updating. They do have a few villa types with private pools and renovated recently but they go for over US$200 per night. My cottage was around 2600P per night. The seafood restaurant was closed under reno and the regular restaurant served medicore and relatively overpriced food. Did not check out the bar. Several foreigners staying there but all appeared to have come as couples with pinay GF / wives.I think this is a common theme. So many stay at Leyte Park ONCE based on undeserved / outdated reputation. I'd not stay there again. Only thing it has going for it is the pool and the waterfront location.

IMO best hotel in town is Alejandro by a rather wide margin. I've received good recommendations for Rosenvil Pensione but I've not stayed there myself, staying Alejandro again on my trip this week.

[Toronto]

IMO best hotel in town is Alejandro by a rather wide margin. I've received good recommendations for Rosenvil Pensione but I've not stayed there myself, staying Alejandro again on my trip this week.I agree, not staying there again. Couple of the girls did mention Hotel Alejandro to me but did not go check it out. What are the rates there? I will probably stay there as well when I go back.

[Mongrinastrlnd]

I agree, not staying there again. Couple of the girls did mention Hotel Alejandro to me but did not go check it out. What are the rates there? I will probably stay there as well when I go back.The executive rooms (ones with double / queen beds) were about 1600 / night as I recall, the ones with twins are 1000-1300.

[Flo69]

Hi Guys,

Just some Information about Boracay. Just back since Sunday, spend there more than one week and didn't bring any girls.

There are at least 4 places to meet the ladies:

Cocomangas: Its a disco on the main Road opposite Guilys island. Around 10- 20 FL there, partially really good looking. Took 4 evenings FL from there. ST or LT doesn't make any difference regarding price. Prices start with 2. 000 but I paid 2. 500 as well, too horny to refuse and no more bargaining possible.

Summer Place: Between Boatstation 2 and 3 at the walking path. Girls around the same price then Cocomangas. Have been there one time only and picked up two ladies. Bad experience, lots of Donts, so I saif them goodbuy without finishing. But I'm sure to get good girls there as well.

Attention: On the wa to Summerplace some girls will approach you. If you tell them to come with you and enter summerplace most of them will refuse (too loud, too hot inside,.) : These ladies are ladyboys, met some traveller who picked up these "girls", all of them have been ladyboys. Same BTW at Charles Bar, most of them Ladyboys. So take care if don't want to experience this!

Karaoke Bar: Littel bit difficult to find: If you are on the Main Road at station 2 go south until a sign on the right hand side with shows a way to the left side towards Fishermans Farm. Go this way app. 5 min, then you will find a Karaoke Bar on the left hand side. Have been there one time, was asked for ladies but I was too drunken.

Bar after Karaoke Bar. Wen there before I went to Karaoke Bar. Inside ordered a drink and was asked for a girl. Checked the ladies, choose one of them, reall stunner but nice as well. Invited her for a drink, then she told me the price is 3. 500 ST or LT. Too much for me this night, was already too drunken. Definitly wirth a visit.

Have fun guys on Boracay, a beautiful Island!

Cheerz,

Flo69

[Asia Smiles]

Hi Guys, I'll be passing through the Philippines again next month and have two days landing in Friday in Manila about 6 AM and leaving Manila Sunday 3 PM. Thought of catching a flight to Puerto Princessa spending Friday and Saturday exploring. I think that may not be enough time to see the caves and maybe even meet some FL in town. Stil working on BYOC. I'm worried I'm trying to do too much with not enough time.

The alternative is 2 nights in AC where girls and fun are guaranteed, but been there so many times it is getting old.

Been to PG and considering as another alternative, also thinking of Subic. Any suggestions?

[Member #3060]

Coron. Places and rates.

Here is a quick update of Coron on the island of Busuanga. I had 3 days to kill here and this is what I found.

Went to a little bar near the the center of town just kitty corner from the open square in front of the tourism center. The bars name of Cathy's. Place had about 20 women all just sitting around texting and combing their hair. I was the only customer in there at about 9pm on a Tuesday night (the town pretty much closes up at 10PM). There was a fat "Kathoey" and I use that term loosey, named Robbi who was also working there. Sat down and had a drink. No one approached me and I had a bit of a hard time making eye contact with some of the girls. Finally got one and motioned for her to come over. After a bit of chit chat, she told me the rate was p2000 for short time and that was for 3 hours. If you wanted long time, then it was just a multiple of that. P4000 for 6 hours, p6000 for 9 hours. Rate was not negotiatable. Or at least they were not negotiating with me. I was also told that every girl had her own rate. The lowest girls were p1500 for 3 hours plus tip or p2000 for 3 hours no tip. I finished my coke and left.

Next I tried Hard Rock Disco. It's not hard to find. Pretty close to the center of town and all the tricycle drivers know it. Was quoted a rate here of p2000 for long time. I know it's a bit high but I was wanting some action in this little one horse town. They agreed but I was short on cash so I went to the atm. When I got back the rate had jumped to p3000 for longtime. Why? I told them I was staying at the diving resort across the bay. It's about a 10 minute boatride from the pier. Boat transfers back and forth are free because the resort runs the shuttle back and forth. The boat stops running at 10pm. The reason I got was that it was "Management's policy" WTF? This resort is not that far way not p1000 far away. The nice thing about this is that it prevents the girl from pulling a runner. I don't know what the real reason was. Is there a scam that they run here most of the time and it requires the girl being able to leave? Was everyone really scared of being seperated from town? I don't know. It sounded like a lot of bullshit so I just left.

I did not see any Street walkers or freelancers. If anyone has any additional info on Coron, please let me know. I still have another day here.

[GreenBud]

Hi Guys, I'll be passing through the Philippines again next month and have two days landing in Friday in Manila about 6 AM and leaving Manila Sunday 3 PM. Thought of catching a flight to Puerto Princessa spending Friday and Saturday exploring. I think that may not be enough time to see the caves and maybe even meet some FL in town. Stil working on BYOC. I'm worried I'm trying to do too much with not enough time.

The alternative is 2 nights in AC where girls and fun are guaranteed, but been there so many times it is getting old.

Been to PG and considering as another alternative, also thinking of Subic. Any suggestions? If AC is getting old, then I would recommend Sabang, Puerto Galera. Subic is also good. Sabang has the better beaches / islands; Subic has more girlie bars, but 7 girlie bars in Sabang is enough, IMO.

If you get into Manila at 6 AM, you can catch the Si-Kat shuttle at 8:45 AM? from the City State Tower hotel in Manila. On the way back, the Si-Kat shuttle will return between 12:30 - 1:00 PM; you might cut it too close. For more comfort and a more reliable time, you can get a private car for the transportation between Batanagas pier and Manila airport.

[Asia Smiles]

If AC is getting old, then I would recommend Sabang, Puerto Galera. Subic is also good. Sabang has the better beaches / islands; Subic has more girlie bars, but 7 girlie bars in Sabang is enough, IMO.

If you get into Manila at 6 AM, you can catch the Si-Kat shuttle at 8:45 AM? From the City State Tower hotel in Manila. On the way back, the Si-Kat shuttle will return between 12:30. 1:00 PM; you might cut it too close. For more comfort and a more reliable time, you can get a private car for the transportation between Batanagas pier and Manila airport. Thanks GreenBud. Sabang might be my best bet for two days because of the flexibility. Subic is nice but the diving in Sabang was awesome about 3 years ago.

I think I'm just cutting it too close to go to the caves in Palawan.

[Member #3060]

Went into town again last night. Found two more places. A video Karioke bar called Sea Front. About 12-15 girls here to choose from. Again quoted the same rates p1500 for 3 hours. No one did long time. Went to another place called D's Music box. Only 5 women here to choose from. Rates again p1500 for 3 hours. Long time rate was quoted at p4000. Tricle driver seemed to confirm what I was told the other night at the Hard Rock Disco. Double for all night. I probably could have chewed that p4000 down to p3000. So the rate seems to be p1500 for 3 hours, p3000 for all night. Most girls don't do all night. Looks like they make plenty of money doing just short time. Also they did not seem that eager to make a sale or negotiate the price. This seemed to be a common theme here actually. Not much negotiating. The prices are more or less straight forward on a lot of things. Tricyle anywhere in town is p10 although they will ask for p20. Round trip ride to the hotspring and back is p300. No one seemed willing to negotiate on that. Negotiate your rates with your dive shop and hotel before you get here. I found out one of the guests at the resort I was at ended up paying about $20 per dive where I ended up paying about $30. They told him gear rental and park fees were included in the price they gave him while they tacked those onto my bill. Will not dive with Dive Cal again. Owner, is a westerner, but apparently he's been here long enough to have been "localized".

[Irony Monger]

Anybody stay at this hotel in Boracay?

Le Soleil De Boracay. http://www.lesoleil.com.ph/

It looks nice and reasonably priced, but would like some first hand opinions (or alternative suggestions). Don't want to spend more than $100 / night (Le Soleil is less than that on hotels. Com) , and want to be either on the beach or a stone's throw away.

I am assuming any hotel there will be girl-friendly, not that it matters as I am bringing my own, but she mentioned that she might want to do a threesome, so keeping my fingers crossed.

[Python75]

Anybody stay at this hotel in Boracay?

Le Soleil De Boracay.

http://www.lesoleil.com.ph/

It looks nice and reasonably priced, but would like some first hand opinions (or alternative suggestions). Don't want to spend more than $100 / night (Le Soleil is less than that on hotels. Com) , and want to be either on the beach or a stone's throw away.

I am assuming any hotel there will be girl-friendly, not that it matters as I am bringing my own, but she mentioned that she might want to do a threesome, so keeping my fingers crossed. You may want to try Red Coconut hotel as a possible alternative. Booked through Agoda. I have stayed there twice. Right on the beach at Station 2.

[Manta Ray]

You may want to try Red Coconut hotel as a possible alternative. Booked through Agoda. I have stayed there twice. Right on the beach at Station 2.

I stayed at Le Soleil last year with my manila gf. It is very well located, right in the center of White Beach, and the rooms are comfortable, especially if you have one overlooking the pool area. The food is adequate, with an acceptable, but not fantastic breakfast buffet. The only downside I noticed is that the resort does seem to host quite a few large-ish tour groups / families from Taiwan / China (at least when I was there) which can make the dining room a tad busy / noisy in the morning. Other than that, a very reasonable place to stay.

Manta Ray

[Econo Tech]

I stayed at Le Soleil last year with my manila gf. It is very well located, right in the center of White Beach, and the rooms are comfortable, especially if you have one overlooking the pool area. The food is adequate, with an acceptable, but not fantastic breakfast buffet. The only downside I noticed is that the resort does seem to host quite a few large-ish tour groups / families from Taiwan / China (at least when I was there) which can make the dining room a tad busy / noisy in the morning. Other than that, a very reasonable place to stay.

Manta RayMy fave was and is Boracay Beach Club www.boracaybeachclub.com. They do complete service, from Kalibo or Caticlan, plus their restaurant is good. And it didn't help the next door was "Obama Grill" (change you want, change you get.)

They add in complimentary massage and a sail boat trip + a visit to their sort of private island. Not crowded, nice pool and since they own the beachfront across the hotel. Was very private.

Twice in a row, I felt happy. And the prices were good. .

[Irony Monger]

Thanks Econo Tech, Manta Ray, and Python 75. Since I have heard no horror stories about Le Soleil, I think I'll stay there. Will post my report in May when I return. I'll also do a walk by the other recommendations and scout them out for future possible stays.

[Vandaddio]

With a country of thousands of islands and beaches, I know there must be a special gem out there that for obvious reason is being kept secret.

A place that has NICE beach, nice decent hotels, a small girl scene, or close to a place to take out girls, a few restaurants?

Not Boracy, Sabang, PG, Subic, Mac Tan?

Please pm with some info, or post.

Thanks,

VD

[Pinaypounder]

It is on the north east end of CEBU. 4 hours by bus then a boat hop, I love the Busrides personally. I was there 2 years ago. Cheap beautiful, take awlak around the island and see real villagers I took many pictures. Not sure of any pro or pro am action perhaps best to bring one.

Cheap and there is a fantastic little resturant int he middle of this small island that makes the best food at the cheapest prices.

And Shark island is close and has good diving I hear.

Great place.

[Pinaypounder]

Hi all. I am going ot be spending alot of time in the illagan region and have developing some lands and a neat business there.

Don't know much about these places, any counsel is approeciatted, I know of the dangers and I am covered there.

I am well travelled in Manila Cebu, Davao, although I can't ever seem to get laid in Davoa.

Been to much of the rest of the Phils. Feel free to ask.

PP

[Cheapy]

Never been there but had an Iligan girl come to CDO for a week. She "hates" the Muslims there and considers them "thugs" as in gangs. A forigner got shot and killed on a jeepney by a Muslim.

Late year. Watch your back.

Guys, don't "flame" the messenger.


Hi all. I am going ot be spending alot of time in the illagan region and have developing some lands and a neat business there.

Don't know much about these places, any counsel is approeciatted, I know of the dangers and I am covered there.

I am well travelled in Manila Cebu, Davao, although I can't ever seem to get laid in Davoa.

Been to much of the rest of the Phils. Feel free to ask.

PP

[Surfer]

The Visayas is like a necklace of gems all strung together in a wedge separating Luzon from Mindanao. Both Luzon (far North and Far Southeast) and Mindanao (All along the East coast) have some excellent beaches too, but the real gems are in Visayas (Palawan too but I know it much less well).

IMHO Malapascua is WAY overrated, small and crowded with parked boats blocking most of the beach, smoky from fires, and with shit diving no better than the rubble of Mactan). It has nice White sand and deep blue water, however. Try Bantayan Island, about an hour South of Malapascua, instead. Or Bohol and Camgiuin just Southeast of Cebu. Or the Camotes islands to the Northeast. Or Romblon to the Northwest. Or Negros to the West which has its most epic beach (Sipalay) on the West coast. 3 hours from an airport or port, but has many others of quality, no doubt as I saw many on the coast, both from Bacolod in the North to Dumaguette in the South-we did an open jaw. Even the small islands just North of Boracay like Carabao Island offer escapes from the hordes.

Sabang beach in Puerto Galera is shit. Compared to Subic or Malate, its ok I guess, but no need to swim there when about 30 minutes trike ride West, just past White beach, lies the real World class beach of Northern Mindoro Aninuan. No pics of Sabang to compare but Aninuan is sublime. White Beach is 10 times better than Sabang, but it is quite developed and crowded; but hike 15 minutes further West over the rocks, or 5 minutes along the road by trike. First pics are White beach from the restaurant on the hill on the way to Aninuan, then Aninuan itself. GREAT restaurants, best outside Makati, around PG.

[Irony Monger]

I was in Boracay for a few days last week, and thought I would post a quick review of the hotel I stayed at: Le Soleil de Boracay (http://www.lesoleil.com.ph/).

I booked through hotels.com vs. the le soleil hotel website, as the rate was cheaper for the superior deluxe room ($94 / night vs. PHP 6000 aka $140 / night).

The hotel is right in the middle of white beach, which made it very convenient. They have lounge chairs and umbrellas right on the beach during the day, then replace them with tables and chairs for their dinner buffet every night.

The room came with breakfast, and I found their breakfast buffet satisfactory, with a decent selection of the usual (eggs, sausage, fruit, breads, etc.) , though I would not call it a regal spread by any means.

The room I got was on the first floor next to the pool. This was convenient, but not very private. The result was that I kept the window blind closed most of the time, resulting in a very dark room. This of course is fine for engaging in extracurricular activities, but made it all but impossible to get good lighting for indoor photography (I prefer sunlight to flashes).

The superior deluxe room comes with one double bed and one twin bed. The double was adequate for a large westerner plus a small filipina, though I would have preferred a king or queen bed. The extra single bed only saw use as a luggage storage accessory. I don't know why they don't offer larger beds in non-suite rooms. They should just get rid of the extra single and put in queens.

The bathroom had the usual sink and toilet. Not a lot of counter space though. The shower was a large walk-in variety with room for two, a feature I definitely took advantage of ;)

There is no internet in the rooms, though there is public wifi available in the lobby and at the pool. However, it was very slow and kept timing out regularly. I ended up just sticking to my SmartBro wireless adapter as it was faster and more reliable.

What else...CRT for a television vs. flat screen, but no big deal there. Had the usual type of in room safe that seemed...well, somewhat safe. The air conditioning worked well, but was a bit loud. The pool bar makes an ok margarita, but better ones are available at most of the bars along the beach.

Would I stay there again? Maybe. The price was right, and nothing about the hotel was bad except the internet access, but I would much prefer a larger bed, a bit more privacy, and a beach view vs. A pool view. To be honest, even thought I was not unsatisfied by any means, I'll probably look elsewhere next time.

[Member #4698]

The Visayas is like a necklace of gems all strung together in a wedge separating Luzon from Mindanao. Both Luzon (far North and Far Southeast) and Mindanao (All along the East coast) have some excellent beaches too, but the real gems are in Visayas (Palawan too but I know it much less well).

IMHO Malapascua is WAY overrated, small and crowded with parked boats blocking most of the beach, smoky from fires, and with shit diving no better than the rubble of Mactan). It has nice White sand and deep blue water, however. Try Bantayan Island, about an hour South of Malapascua, instead. Or Bohol and Camgiuin just Southeast of Cebu. Or the Camotes islands to the Northeast. Or Romblon to the Northwest. Or Negros to the West which has its most epic beach (Sipalay) on the West coast. 3 hours from an airport or port, but has many others of quality, no doubt as I saw many on the coast, both from Bacolod in the North to Dumaguette in the South-we did an open jaw. Even the small islands just North of Boracay like Carabao Island offer escapes from the hordes.

Sabang beach in Puerto Galera is shit. Compared to Subic or Malate, its ok I guess, but no need to swim there when about 30 minutes trike ride West, just past White beach, lies the real World class beach of Northern Mindoro Aninuan. No pics of Sabang to compare but Aninuan is sublime. White Beach is 10 times better than Sabang, but it is quite developed and crowded; but hike 15 minutes further West over the rocks, or 5 minutes along the road by trike. First pics are White beach from the restaurant on the hill on the way to Aninuan, then Aninuan itself. GREAT restaurants, best outside Makati, around PG. Great report Surfer, I really enjoyed reading it and agree with your point of view.

I spent a week in Sabang, Palawan on my first trip to PI this last February. I really liked the island and the beach in particular. Flying over Palawan from Manila you can see how green and verdant the island is. There are not a lot of people here. Once you get out of Puerto Princessa, which compared to Manila or AC is a beautiful city (LOL) , the beautiful tropical landscape starts to take over. Sabang Beach was real nice. There were two 'quality hotels' and a couple of backpacker cottages and not much else on the main beach. The village shut down after 8pm. There was nothing, not even a hut on the beautiful pristine second beach which is on the way to the Monkey Trail and the Subterranean river. The virgin tropical rain forest comes right down to the beach. I would spend hours on this beach and see no one. I want to take a girl here on my next trip and get laid on this beach.

I met an ex-pat and his pretty Filipina GF one night at my hotel bar. We got to talking. He has a house, a couple acres and a 32ft sail boat near Port Barton. He told me and I have no reason to doubt him,"that it gets better and better the farther north you go." Sabang, Palawan was one of the highlights of my last trip along with a session I had with a smoking hot Chinese girl in a Macau Sauna and a Japanese 141 hotel reservation girl I had in Hong Kong. I also enjoyed the AC bar girls and the action in Havana Café and Burgos Street. But Palawan is the main reason why I want to go back to PI. I can get laid in BKK, Pattaya, or Phnom just as easily as I can in AC or Manila and I don't think the Filipinas are any prettier or better in bed than their Thai or Khmer cousins. But most of the beaches I have been to in Thailand, and there are a lot of really pretty ones, are overdeveloped IMHO.

I first visited Phuket in 1980. We scuba dived off Phi Phi, which was uninhabited back then! I won't even talk about what it is like now. In 2002 I tried Ko Samui. It was too late! And in 2010 I tried Ko Chang and Ko Lanta. Both islands are quite beautiful but the beaches there are the perfect example of what I am talking about (overbuilding) and are no longer appealing. Ko Chang and Ko Lanta must have been fantastic 15-20 years ago. Today, my opinion again, it kind of sucks; too many hotels and too many tourists.

The same phenomenon is happening in the Philippines no doubt, but at a much slower pace. Boracay is the Phuket of the Philippines. No way do I want to go there. I know some guys may disagree with me. That's fine. This is my point of view: I like getting away from it all and I love beautiful semi unspoiled beaches. Loose women and virgin beaches, that's it for me. After reading your report and doing a little research on my own, I now am planning to visit Sipalay (Sugar Beach) , Negros in addition to Port Barton, Palawan. My tentative plans are Hong Kong – Macau – AC – Manila – Palawan – Cebu – Negros – MNL – Hong Kong. (HKG is my port of entry into SE Asia.) I like this itinerary because it intersperses mongering with beachcombing and I get the best of both worlds.

Again, thanks for the post. I appreciate it.

[Mianbao]

I spent three nights staying at a resort on big La Laguna beach a couple of weeks ago, heading into Sabang for the nightlife on two occasions. I checked out all of the five or so clubs and barfined from a different one on each of the two nights I went.

However. My god what hard work! The girls there obviously have it a bit too easy. A severe lack of eye contact and a shocking lack of flirting once they have been bought a drink. It seems they are happy to receive the drink and then just sit there expecting to be barfined. Ditto very poor performance in bed, with a common tactic of refusing to wake up in the morning (got things started eventually but it took perseverance).

It is also true that the Koreans take out the best looking ones at 7pm, however considering the generally poor performance I doubt I missed anything.

Expats living there also confirmed that the lack of enthusiasm / poor performance is a common problem, and recommended heading to Angeles or somewhere else to find a friend first and then bringing her to PG.

[Surfer]

NB: Your welcome. Guys like you are why I still bother to post here once in awhile, despite all the morons who cause me to stop reading this board for extended periods.

Sabang in Palawan bears no resemblance to the one on Mindoro.

I liked Sipalay, but it would not be my first choice for a few reasons. For you I suggest the Camotes; easier to get to from Cebu City than Sipalay too. Most mongers won't go that far from hookers but it really is amazingly undeveloped and pristine and loaded with beaches better than any on Negros.

[Malee42]

I writing to you, because of the report 1312 (Other Aereas, Philippines ).

Can you give me her E-Mail adresse or phone number?

I will go in November for 5 weeks to palawan. Most of my time, I will spend in port barton area. E-mail me to [Email address deleted by Admin]

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[Bloke]

I just left the Philippines having stayed for 6 days in Sabang, Mindoro Island for a short vacation whilst working in SE Asia for the last few weeks. I am a newbie to the Philippines but have experiences from many other parts of the world as my job involves regular travel. I chose to go to Sabang because it is not far from Manila so relatively easily accessible and also for scuba diving, my primary reason for vacation. I have not been anywhere else in PI, not even Manila though I have had pleasant experiences with Filipinas in Singapore in the past.

What is Sabang like? First of all it is a tiny place but with enough crammed in to keep me entertained for 6 days. Second there are quite a few European / American / Australian older males who stay here on a very low budget for months or more who really don't add much value to the place and to be honest are pretty washed up spending the majority of their time drinking cheap alcohol and slowly killing themselves but if that is your scene then fine. There are also a lot of Koreans here and Koreans own a number of the establishments. Talking to the girls, they are not very keen on the Koreans who tend to treat the girls openly as if they were in a meat market. There is just one tiny main strip that you can walk in around 5 minutes which hosts the bars and I think 5 girly bars plus 3 legit massage places.

I stayed at a place called Big Apple which is geared for divers with a very competent dive operation on site plus a 24 hour bar and sports bar staffed with cute waitresses (that are NOT available). I booked a superior room (quiet at the back) .2000 pesos per night, good value.

My days revolved around diving from 9am. The diving is the easiest anywhere with numerous good dive sites right off the beach. I would be all done by around 1. 30, have some lunch and then an hour massage at one of the legit places followed by an afternoon rest. Have a couple of early evening beers with the divers (I am not a big drinker) then some dinner. Then off to the main strip!

There are 5 girly bars otherwise known as discos called Pink Panther, Venus, Hammerhead, Sabang Village disco, Las Vegas and can't remember the other. I barfined a girl every night cost 1000 to the bar and 1000 for the girl (plus tip if she was good). The quality varies from bar to bar but generally there is something for everyone's taste. My preference is slim with a nice smile and although I sometimes get carried away and forget, with the brain in my dick taking over, I try to make sure the girl's attitude is right.

First night I took a girl from Venus mainly because I accidently walked into her entering the place and we hit it off there and then. She was tall for a Filipina, dark skinned, great smile and around 24. What a great pick, I was horny but she was hornier and we banged for hours. She was experienced for sure but such a great attitude and had me do what she wanted to make her cum, and I was happy to oblige! I took her again on the 3rd night and it was as if we were long separated lovers. Highlight of the night was banging her in the ass while we both rubbed her clit to her climax. I saw her a couple of nights later being taken away by some fat old guy and she flashed me a knowing smile, I had to laugh!

Second night I took a petite slim 18 year old from Las Vegas, nice enough but tame compared to night 1. She was very tight however but I made her bleed and she had to go off to get some medication for it (I think a common problem she has). But she did come back to my room at 7am to fuck me again, good girl!

Fourth night I wasn't planning to take a girl as I got involved in a local drinking event where some of the guys working there do the rounds in various bars (as I am no drinker I thought I wouldn't be able to perform after a session but I went easy on the beers) and we ended up in Las Vegas. I saw this absolute stunner, bit young really but 18, very slim and so pretty with a lovely smile. I started talking to her but she couldn't speak English, only Tagalog. Anyway translating through a friend, I found out she had just arrived the day before and had never been barfined before. Well she was just about to be! Took her back, she was very shy and nervous but after relaxing her I banged her 3 times. I can't say she was an active participant but I thoroughly enjoyed it even so.

Fifth night was a bit disappointing. Took a girl from Sabang Village Disco (Korean owned). She was only about 5ft and slim but didn't smile (I veered from my normal rules). Talking to her she was definitely a smart girl with long term plans but no apparent enthusiasm to fuck me. We did one round which was pretty good, she was athletic for sure but it all felt too mechanical. As I went to wash she was dressed ready to go. I had paid for all night but no point in forcing her to stay against her will, I put it down to experience and slept.

The following day I actually chatted to one of the bar girls wandering around during the day and got short time with her for 650, very nice 19 years old no English though, straight from the provinces!

The last night I went to Hammerhead and sat down to purvey the scene. Started talking to a girl who sat down beside me. 21, not a stunner but slim and a fucking amazing smile. When she started rubbing my crotch my mind was made up. Back in the room we talked and then got down to it, my God she was wet and horny. She said she had come down from Manila for just a weeks holiday (strange holiday) and I did believe her, and she wants my babies (seriously) insisting I shoot inside her, so I did, quite a few times we are now friends on fb.

I read that some people have had poor experiences with some of the bar girls. Well my advice is to put in some effort of your own if you want to have a good time by making them feel good and screening out the ones who are clearly less than interested in you until you can gauge there is a certain chemistry. If you are fat, middle aged and dressed in vest and shorts then no girl is going to have her juices flowing over you. I am not fat but I am in my 40s and don't mind putting in a bit of effort and charming the girls which on most occasions pays dividends.

In summary, I would have been bored shitless in Sabang if I had not been diving and would not recommend as a place for an active holiday (fucking aside). It's a small place and I was ready to leave after 6 days but those 6 days were fucking great fun.

[Poolmover]

Could any one please let me know of the safey issues in these places as of late? There seem to be plenty of willing dia girls at all three.

Thanks.

Reports here or even PM would be perfect.

Poolmover

[Chocha Monger]

The last night I went to Hammerhead and sat down to purvey the scene. Started talking to a girl who sat down beside me. 21, not a stunner but slim and a fucking amazing smile. When she started rubbing my crotch my mind was made up. Back in the room we talked and then got down to it, my God she was wet and horny. She said she had come down from Manila for just a weeks holiday (strange holiday) and I did believe her, and she wants my babies (seriously) insisting I shoot inside her, so I did, quite a few times we are now friends on fb.Amazing story! Many men would have wilted like a daisy at her request but you shot not one but several loads in her. So did your shots fly true? Can we expect a post that Baby Bloke is on the way? ;)

[GoodEnough]

I'm fairly sure this topic has been covered extensively elsewhere in this forum. However the short answer is that Davao and CDO are very safe and secure. You can walk almost anywhere in either city without fear of being hassled. Both are very relaxed cities and both offer a host of decent amenities for the traveler. Iligan is a bit more, well actually a lot more primitive. First, it's a hole and if there are decent places to stay or restaurants to visit I've not heard of them. Second, while it's not usually dangerous, it's not a place where I feel comfortable walking around though you're probably safe enough in a private vehicle. I go there frequently, but, with the exception of one unavoidable overnight, I've always returned to CDO to sleep. It's only a two hour drive. If you want to meet someone from Iligan, my advice would be to tell her to take the bus (probably less than Php100) and come meet you in CDO. I was in Iligan again last week and again was struck by how ugly the place is.

GE

[Red Kilt]

I'm fairly sure this topic has been covered extensively elsewhere in this forum. However the short answer is that Davao and CDO are very safe and secure. You can walk almost anywhere in either city without fear of being hassled. Both are very relaxed cities and both offer a host of decent amenities for the traveler. Iligan is a bit more, well actually a lot more primitive. First, it's a hole and if there are decent places to stay or restaurants to visit I've not heard of them. Second, while it's not usually dangerous, it's not a place where I feel comfortable walking around though you're probably safe enough in a private vehicle. I go there frequently, but, with the exception of one unavoidable overnight, I've always returned to CDO to sleep. It's only a two hour drive. If you want to meet someone from Iligan, my advice would be to tell her to take the bus (probably less than Php100) and come meet you in CDO. I was in Iligan again last week and again was struck by how ugly the place is.

GEGreat summary GE. Very accurate portrayal of the situation.

In fact, I would go further and suggest that for all you would-be DIA warriors, make either CDO or Davao your base for any girls based in Mindanao and request that all girls that you wish to meet come to see you there. Bus trips of 3 or 4 hours or more are the norm for them so if they really want to meet you then they will not baulk at the trip, but you might need to reassure them that you will give them the fare (and, as GE says, it won't be much).

The major problem with meeting women in their own home town is the fact that these places are small and the gossip mill is huge so they will be worried someone might see them with you and so will not be as relaxed with you as they might be away from home.

It might also be a way of sieving them out too. If you suggest that they come to meet you then that will imply an overnight stop with you so you can innocently ask if they are prepared to stay with you, alone, in your room, all night.
Yes means 'get on the bus"; No means "don't bother coming".

[Poolmover]

Yes I agree reports are probably somewhere.

Perfect responses. Cdo and davao it will be then. Lots of young cute things in both areas. Many reluctantly willing dia husband-wanters, which implies the built in pleasures we all like.

Ill be there in two weeks for 2 weeks. Should be nice. Any further comments appreciated. Contacts, girl friendly places to stay, etc. But I'm fairly crafty so if not its ok too.

Great.

Poolmover.


Great summary GE. Very accurate portrayal of the situation.

In fact, I would go further and suggest that for all you would-be DIA warriors, make either CDO or Davao your base for any girls based in Mindanao and request that all girls that you wish to meet come to see you there. Bus trips of 3 or 4 hours or more are the norm for them so if they really want to meet you then they will not baulk at the trip, but you might need to reassure them that you will give them the fare (and, as GE says, it won't be much).

The major problem with meeting women in their own home town is the fact that these places are small and the gossip mill is huge so they will be worried someone might see them with you and so will not be as relaxed with you as they might be away from home.

It might also be a way of sieving them out too. If you suggest that they come to meet you then that will imply an overnight stop with you so you can innocently ask if they are prepared to stay with you, alone, in your room, all night.

Yes means 'get on the bus"; No means "don't bother coming".

[Ray777]

I am not finding much searching the forums. Not having much luck searching Google also. Is there any action in Baguio? It is a good size city I would think there must be something happening there.

[Mc Don]

The only action there is the ktvs and Filipino bars. I was there 8 months ago and the only bar (strip bar, Filipino) that I found was on 23 Naguilan Road. Near it, there is a Korean restaurant and a KTV. I barfined a cute 19yr old with D cups but she could not speak any english. She spoke Korean though. I think I paid 2. 5K long time. The strip club had few girls but I didn't bother. Me and my friend were the only gringos there. Overall city is not really worth visiting for hobby purposes and I suggest byo from AC.

[GregLondon]

I agree with McD no significant p4p scene. BYOB from Ac or Manila or try your luck on DIA etc.

[Snow Koala]

I just left the Philippines having stayed for 6 days in Sabang, Mindoro Island for a short vacation whilst working in SE Asia for the last few weeks. I am a newbie to the Philippines but have experiences from many other parts of the world as my job involves regular travel. I chose to go to Sabang because it is not far from Manila so relatively easily accessible and also for scuba diving, my primary reason for vacation. I have not been anywhere else in PI, not even Manila though I have had pleasant experiences with Filipinas in Singapore in the past.

What is Sabang like? First of all it is a tiny place but with enough crammed in to keep me entertained for 6 days. Second there are quite a few European / American / Australian older males who stay here on a very low budget for months or more who really don't add much value to the place and to be honest are pretty washed up spending the majority of their time drinking cheap alcohol and slowly killing themselves but if that is your scene then fine. There are also a lot of Koreans here and Koreans own a number of the establishments. Talking to the girls, they are not very keen on the Koreans who tend to treat the girls openly as if they were in a meat market. There is just one tiny main strip that you can walk in around 5 minutes which hosts the bars and I think 5 girly bars plus 3 legit massage places.

I stayed at a place called Big Apple which is geared for divers with a very competent dive operation on site plus a 24 hour bar and sports bar staffed with cute waitresses (that are NOT available). I booked a superior room (quiet at the back).2000 pesos per night, good value.

My days revolved around diving from 9am. The diving is the easiest anywhere with numerous good dive sites right off the beach. I would be all done by around 1. 30, have some lunch and then an hour massage at one of the legit places followed by an afternoon rest. Have a couple of early evening beers with the divers (I am not a big drinker) then some dinner. Then off to the main strip!

There are 5 girly bars otherwise known as discos called Pink Panther, Venus, Hammerhead, Sabang Village disco, Las Vegas and can't remember the other. I barfined a girl every night cost 1000 to the bar and 1000 for the girl (plus tip if she was good). The quality varies from bar to bar but generally there is something for everyone's taste. My preference is slim with a nice smile and although I sometimes get carried away and forget, with the brain in my dick taking over, I try to make sure the girl's attitude is right.

First night I took a girl from Venus mainly because I accidently walked into her entering the place and we hit it off there and then. She was tall for a Filipina, dark skinned, great smile and around 24. What a great pick, I was horny but she was hornier and we banged for hours. She was experienced for sure but such a great attitude and had me do what she wanted to make her cum, and I was happy to oblige! I took her again on the 3rd night and it was as if we were long separated lovers. Highlight of the night was banging her in the ass while we both rubbed her clit to her climax. I saw her a couple of nights later being taken away by some fat old guy and she flashed me a knowing smile, I had to laugh!

Second night I took a petite slim 18 year old from Las Vegas, nice enough but tame compared to night 1. She was very tight however but I made her bleed and she had to go off to get some medication for it (I think a common problem she has). But she did come back to my room at 7am to fuck me again, good girl!

Fourth night I wasn't planning to take a girl as I got involved in a local drinking event where some of the guys working there do the rounds in various bars (as I am no drinker I thought I wouldn't be able to perform after a session but I went easy on the beers) and we ended up in Las Vegas. I saw this absolute stunner, bit young really but 18, very slim and so pretty with a lovely smile. I started talking to her but she couldn't speak English, only Tagalog. Anyway translating through a friend, I found out she had just arrived the day before and had never been barfined before. Well she was just about to be! Took her back, she was very shy and nervous but after relaxing her I banged her 3 times. I can't say she was an active participant but I thoroughly enjoyed it even so.

Fifth night was a bit disappointing. Took a girl from Sabang Village Disco (Korean owned). She was only about 5ft and slim but didn't smile (I veered from my normal rules). Talking to her she was definitely a smart girl with long term plans but no apparent enthusiasm to fuck me. We did one round which was pretty good, she was athletic for sure but it all felt too mechanical. As I went to wash she was dressed ready to go. I had paid for all night but no point in forcing her to stay against her will, I put it down to experience and slept.

The following day I actually chatted to one of the bar girls wandering around during the day and got short time with her for 650, very nice 19 years old no English though, straight from the provinces!

The last night I went to Hammerhead and sat down to purvey the scene. Started talking to a girl who sat down beside me. 21, not a stunner but slim and a fucking amazing smile. When she started rubbing my crotch my mind was made up. Back in the room we talked and then got down to it, my God she was wet and horny. She said she had come down from Manila for just a weeks holiday (strange holiday) and I did believe her, and she wants my babies (seriously) insisting I shoot inside her, so I did, quite a few times we are now friends on fb.

I read that some people have had poor experiences with some of the bar girls. Well my advice is to put in some effort of your own if you want to have a good time by making them feel good and screening out the ones who are clearly less than interested in you until you can gauge there is a certain chemistry. If you are fat, middle aged and dressed in vest and shorts then no girl is going to have her juices flowing over you. I am not fat but I am in my 40s and don't mind putting in a bit of effort and charming the girls which on most occasions pays dividends.

In summary, I would have been bored shitless in Sabang if I had not been diving and would not recommend as a place for an active holiday (fucking aside). It's a small place and I was ready to leave after 6 days but those 6 days were fucking great fun. Good report. I live in Manila I am a regular to Sabang as I enjoy the diving and bars as well. As divers we are not allowed to fly for 18 hours after the last dive, so Sabang has the advantage of an overland trip back to Manila and not a flight. The disadvantage is that from May-Nov, the ferry is sometimes cancelled. The only other place I have found in Phil with diving and bars is Subic but the diving is not as good and neither are the bars.

I don't know if you noticed in Sabang but many of the Koreans bar fine many cute girls as soon as the bar opens, like 7pm. I prefer drinking and partying and taking a girl around 10 but there are fewer to choose from. When I am in the mood, I go to the bar early like 7pm, pick a girl or 2, then go bar hopping with them and then to the room. Often they enjoy bar hopping and I enjoy their company.

[Redim]

Sabang, Mindoro.

Hi all:

I've been living in Sabang for near two years. Sabang is ok for a tourist visit, but loses its appeal as an expat home over time.

I am in the process of relocating and am enjoying the posts in the forum to learn about other destinations that may suit my requirements. I am neither rich nor poor, in the middle in terms of monthly living budget. So I am reading posts for Davao, CDO, Leyte and Dumaguete, for example.

Here is a brief report about Sabang, Mindoro.

How to get there:

Bus from Manila to Bantangas Pier.

When you arrive at Bantangas Pier, ignore any offers of help from vendors. Make your way to the ferry terminal and ticket booths. Boat ticket booths are on left in the compound in front of the terminal proper. Each company is ok for the passage. Just review the departure times and get a ticket from the booth that best fits your timing.

Also if you want to game the system for another 30P, when buying the boat ticket, have 200P in your hand to pay for the ticket. Ask for resident passage / ticket. Or simply hand the 200P to the booth staff and say 'resident ticket' please.

If you are cheap Charlie, like me, then you can avoid paying the 50P environment fee, if asked for it, by saying you are a resident returning from abroad. You own / rent a house in Puerto Galera.

All passenger must pay the Terminal Fee. 30P, at a different booth.

Accommodation:

No need to book for accommodation in advance. When you alight from boat at Sabang, it is likely you will be approached by several middle aged ladies offering to help guide you to accommodation. They are useful. Tell them your budget for nightly stay.

Low season rooms can be had for 400-600P. Fan room is enough. Cold water shower is ok for me. Here are few suggestions:

Ronaldo's (Eastern end of Sabang beach. Walk left along beach after alighting boat). Behind Tina's restaurant.

Sonny's Inn (in same direction)

Sabang Inn Resort. I stayed there before. I little more upmarket. Daniel is the owner. Rooms can be nego for 600-800 per night. And if staying for a week, then can nego a better deal. This also applies to most places, if staying longer.

My advice if planning to stay a week or so, take a moderate room first night. Then use the second day to do your research on other rooms.

Bars for freelancers:

Big Apple Bar.

On the Sabang beach. Pool tables etc. The freelances are avid billiard players. So if you see 'sexy' girls playing billiard, and they do not have boyfriend watching them, then that is a good sign. It can make for fun waste of time to shoot a few rounds of billiard with them. Buy a few drinks, then see what develops in terms of a proposal. I am not a drinker, but from what I have observed, the sexier girls generally hang in Big Apple after 9pm.

Venue Disco, above Venus Club:

I do not hand at that Disco. However, every night there is a live band, good quality themed music. Check it out after 10pm to see if there are any small groups of girls. Buying them drinks will lubricate the situation in your favor. Some say that the bar / club girls sometimes go there after closing time. 1am, looking for opportunity.

Until 4 months ago, it was common to find freelance girls hanging around in Eddies Café and outside near Eddies and on the pathway to Tina's restaurant from about 9pm onwards. That is now not the case. The local Major stopped this practice. Why? Because he is a local bar owner and wants the foreigners to get their jollies from his girls and not the freelance girls. Welcome to the Philippines. Hehehe.

Girly Bars:

1. Pink Pantha: Small. Many girls if go early. 8-9pm. Friendly happy girls.

2. Broadway, nearly renovated. Popular and busy. Full of girls now because its sister bar, HammerHead Bar, is under renovation. So Hammerhead girls are now working in Broadway. Friendly happy girls.

3. Sabang Disco: Popular with the Koreans, Korean owner. But the girls also like all patrons and offer smiles and attention.

4. Venus Disco. This bar you must to early. 8pm, to see the best girls. Why? The Koreans go there at 7. 30 to collect their nightly playmates.

5. Village Disco: Again, popular with the Koreans. But all is good here also.

6. Vegas: on the way to Eddies. I like this bar because of lounge type seating options. Best time is early, before 9pm to see the full selection of girls.

The barfine here is 2K. LD is not mandatory, but the girls will ask for LD. I have never barfined a girl here, but from conversations with others, here are some tips:

- LDs are optional at 250P. Alternative: offer a standard drink, coke or sprite. 50P.

- If you want to BF the girl, give her the interview about your requirements to see if she will agree / accept your terms of engagement. If you want a guarantee, then talk to her mama and ask her to explain the terms to the girl. For example, if you want 2 or more or whatever rounds; how long you want her to stay (technically the BF is until morning).

- Tipping? Most girls will ask for a tip. At you discretion, perhaps 100 or 200 is welcomed.

- Given that Sabang is a small community, then you will get little trouble here from the girls. If, for example, the girl and mama have agreed to your terms and then the girl wants to make changes, namely go home early or not complete the set number of rounds, you have the options to return her to the bar and ask for a replacement. Why is this possible, because when taking the girl, you only need to give 1K to the bar. Then in the morning, give the girl 1K. So you retain some power. Explaining this to the girl if she becomes non compliant will usually change her intentions.

- The girls in Sabang are safe. What I mean, it is unlikely they pose a threat to the stuff in your room. However, exercise caution at all times in the PH. Secure your valuables so the girl is not tempted during the night.

- If you like the girl, ask for her cell number. If they like you, they are open minded to a return visit in during your stay here, in the mornings or afternoons. A simple txt message will have them visit you for ST. They will ask 1K or 700. Some will accept an offer of 500, but this is becoming rarer.

- Having the cell number is also useful for asking her to introduce you to any of her bargirl friends. Just tell her your requirements. Give her a tip. 100P, for her help. &61514;

My strategy tips as an expat:

I am a non repulsive; time generous; caring; intelligent; careful man with some experience in Indo and PH. I have developed my own set of 'rules' and 'boundaries' regarding the girls. The girls may form an opinion that I am not the most cash generous / stupid man, but I believe that I to not generate disrespect from the girls. In other words, I am learning to be deliberate when using the words: 'yes' and 'no'. Sometimes I will say 'yes' to their requests. While other times, I will say 'no', whether these requests are for: money; food; tips; or help of any kind. The girls will accept either of the 'yes' or 'no' response.

Do not be afraid to say 'no' sometimes. I have tested this with the 'no' word to all kinds of requests. And the girls accept and will still visit and share their time with me. Try to find the balance between the yes and no. And be consistent. The girls will at least respect you. And for me in the end, respect is more important than love or other such stupid notion.

BTW, and only ever say 'yes' on your terms, when it is right for you and only you to say the 'yes' word. For example, the girl asks to take one of my ripe mangos with her when she is leaving. I will sometimes just say 'no'. Then the next time she visits, I will cook her a meal after the BOMBOM. Or invite her for a swim in the pool on a super hot afternoon, just for fun and not BOMBOM, or pass her some load to her phone or give her some pocket money when I see her on the street.

The point is: I want to set a precedent at the outset with new girls. And the precedent is: I am the boss and I am in control; . We can never manage or control the girl's agenda, all we can do is manage our own response to events.

My Bar strategy in Sabang. May or may not work in other locations. Hehehe.

- I never buy LDs. If the girl approaches me, and I do not want her to stay, I explain that I am bar hopping only tonight and do not want BF. If I like her and want her attention, I ask her to sit with me and I will whisper in her her, if she gives me her time and attention, I will give her a cash 50P tip. Be discrete with passing the 50P before you leave to avoid any probs with other girls or her mama.

- If I do not want that particular girl's attention, I may ask her to introduce me to another girl I might spot in the bar. For example, 'who is that girl? '. Call her here, or can you bring her to me. Then when chatting to new girl, offer the same tip for her time.

- If you like girl number 1 or 2, and not want to pay the BF, tell her you like her, but tonight you have no 'power' or 'tired'. Ask her if she would like to meet / visit your room tomorrow morning / afternoon. If she agrees, give her your number, on pre-written card or slip of paper, discreetly so no one sees.

- I use the above strategy when I want to refresh my contact list. Most of my contacts, when they are ready, will visit me during the day. They expect 1K in the beginning. I will offer 500. 70% will accept. And most will evolve into repeaters when they do not have a better afternoon offer or when they need money for 'emergencies'.

- Other opportunities: given my longterm status, I have time to approach girls while walking around. Use a smile and some small talk and give your cell number on a card. Then just wait for the booty call.

Season.

The situation in Sabang, and perhaps this applies to other areas, depends on the season. Less tourists during the wet season means less BFs for the girls, so they get hungry and we as the expats get more attractive as prospects. So the girls are happy with the 500P at lunch time. However, during the high season, that 500P is less motivating for them to visit.

Koreans.

Sabang is increasing popular destination for the Korean's. They are buying and developing resorts and businesses here. They like the young girls and take them early from the bar. They are responsible for the changes here in terms of the girls now start to think BF = ST. Why? Because when the girl asks to be released after 1 round after the Korean has BF the girl for 2K, he politely agrees. So the girls quicky learn that a 2K BF=1 round ST. And then impose this new model on the old school types like me who expect multiple rounds and a sleep over till 10am. I have never BF a girl, so that does not apply to me. Heheh. The afternoon ST is the way to go for me.

Girlfriends:

I have been blessed with having 2 steady PH girlfriends in my 2+ years in PH. My experience in Asia only included Indonesia and PH. And I have to say, I a good Indo or PH girl make for a sweet girlfriend. They can embody all the best one can imagine in a woman. Caring, loving, devoted.

I read once from an Academic journal. In the West, the woman has achieved her emancipation by adopting a 'male model'. In other words, achieve their upward mobility by following the way men to things in life. How men achieve power and success according to the male definition. In PH, for example, woman are working on their emancipation by adopting a 'female model'. In other words, women embrace what it means to be a woman. In PH, woman build their power base within the family. Blah Blah.

The point is: at least with my Indo and PH girlfriends, they want to feel like a woman. They want to be with a leader / strong man. A fare man. A disciplined man. A man who is in control of himself and his environment. A man who sets rules and boundaries. A man who consistent with his rules and boundaries. A kind, caring and generous man, within his means and boundaries. Within this context, the woman can feel safe; secure and trusting.

Develop the above and sprinkle it with some: humor; spontaneity; fun; adventure; playfulness, then you will stimulate the best qualities to emerge in the indo and PH ladies. That has been my experience.

Currently I have a PH GF. But based on that experience, It is unlikely I will take another GF here in the PH. Why? I will move from Sabang soon. And it will break her heart when I leave. I will not take her with me to the South of PH because I want to sample other delights. Although the 1. 5 years with her has been a daily delight and my respect for her grows each day, the burden of breaking hearts is too much for me.

I am by no means, young or handsome, but the GFs I've had in PH have shown me genuine caring and affection and I've seen too many tears when it is time for me to move on to other pastures. So, although I do enjoy having a GF, I will make that sacrifice and avoid that in the future and option for the library model.

More on this topic in future posts. Time for a swim.

Enjoy your Sunday.

PS. Major fire here in Sabang 2 nights ago. One of the 'stop house' (accom for bar girls) burnt down. Rumor has it. 2 girls plus 1 baby died. Tragic given the context of the flesh business, eg: young single mother working in bar to feed new born baby etc etc. Easy to forget the details of a bar girl's life and prospects in a country like PH when enjoying their promo dancing in the disco / bar etc etc.

PSS. I agree, some of the expats in Sabang are an embarrassment, visually. But having said that, about a year ago, I met the most ugly disgusting repulsive man on God's planet in Sabang. It was 9pm as I was walking home. Bid him 'Hi'. Started some small talk. Aussie man. After listening to his story for 15 mins, my initial profiling of him changed 180 degrees.

For example, he is married to PH lady. 3 kids, all live in Aust. He supports her family. Bought them houses and land in PH based on their needs and within the context of the PH economy. In other word, not lavish but modest houses in the provinces etc. He is well spoken, kind and caring to his family. Responsible. Visits PH for his extra curricular activities, then back to Aust and his family responsibilities.

Take away message, I am reminded that we can not judge a book by its cover.

[KongKing]

Sabang, Mindoro.

Here is a brief report about Sabang, Mindoro. What a great report Redim. Not a brief one but a very comprehensive one. Well done. For me a 'Report of Distinction' and I will try and post it as such, if I can crack the code to posting RoDs.

I see you have been a member for almost two years with only two postings. And that is fine; I appreciate good quality thoughtful postings such as yours. You have provided an interesting and useful perspective for someone who, I guess, is more or less is a retired Philippines resident. The modus operandi of a short in and out (pun intended) monger to the Philippines is different from someone like yourself who lives in the community.

You have provided a great insight into Sabang, its haunts and, for a resident, how to handle and manage Filipina relationships.

I see you are moving away from the tearful partings with gfs in favour of opting for a 'library model'. I guess that means taking your pick from what's available, borrowing, absorbing the contents, and returning without the need to buy and keep on the shelf. I wonder if anyone else who successfully utilises this library model without a regular gf. [Perhaps post any response in the Filipinas –Opinions and Advice forum]

KongKing

[Redim]

KingKong: Thanks for approving the post and reviewing.

I will attempt to post occasionally about Sabang and other destinations I visit.

Redim

[Redim]

BTW, if you plan to visit Sabang, send a PM or post in this thread.

Despite my plans to relocate, I may still be here for a month or two.

Redim

[SergeantRay]

What a great report Redim. Not a brief one but a very comprehensive one. Well done. For me a 'Report of Distinction' and I will try and post it as such, if I can crack the code to posting RoDs.

I see you have been a member for almost two years with only two postings. And that is fine; I appreciate good quality thoughtful postings such as yours. You have provided an interesting and useful perspective for someone who, I guess, is more or less is a retired Philippines resident. The modus operandi of a short in and out (pun intended) monger to the Philippines is different from someone like yourself who lives in the community.

You have provided a great insight into Sabang, its haunts and, for a resident, how to handle and manage Filipina relationships.

I see you are moving away from the tearful partings with gfs in favour of opting for a 'library model'. I guess that means taking your pick from what's available, borrowing, absorbing the contents, and returning without the need to buy and keep on the shelf. I wonder if anyone else who successfully utilises this library model without a regular gf. [Perhaps post any response in the Filipinas –Opinions and Advice forum]

KongKingKongKing,

I'm a convert to the library model. In my first stays I was strictly pay-for-play, because I was unaware of the opportunities available to me. Still in the US mindset, I thought I was too old (in my forties!) , not good looking enough, not rich enough, etc.

A friend, to whom I am eternally grateful, tipped me to the opportunity to score a Filipina girlfriend. I like the GF experience, and patted myself on the back for not being a "playboy" or a "user."

On my last trip, though, I began to see the flaws of the GF model. From the time my GF met me at the airport, I never had a free moment. All of a sudden I was on the hook for every disaster (mom in hospital, dad laid off, need cash to pay electric bill, etc.) that occurred, and some that didn't occur.

I was also slow to see what economists call an "opportunity cost." In other words, if I make one choice, it closes off other options, and I pay a price. In the US, if I settle down with my gorgeous 18 year old GF, there is no opportunity cost. The odds that I can do as well, or better, are about zilch. In the US, the smart thing to do is to latch onto an attractive young woman, but in the PI, this is NOT the smart strategy.

By going with a GF in the Philippines, unless you get some sort of an open arrangement, you are sacrificing other very abundant opportunities. Looked at logically, this makes no sense. Ultimately, you will pay far more for any GF than you would for a free lancer, casual date, friends-with-benefits arrangement, or just outright barfine, and you will sacrifice your freedom.

I think the obstacle for many men, as it was for me, is a lack of awareness of the opportunities, and a lack of self-confidence. Coming from the US, I still find myself thinking when approaching a young Filipina half my age,"Who am I kidding? This isn't going to work."

Another obstacle is the idea that having sex with more than one woman, sex without commitment, sex outside of marriage, sex for money, etc, are somehow wrong. It's even harder for someone like me who grew up in a deeply religious home. Men who have sex without strings attached are castigated as "users," "playboys," "selfish," "immature," "lustful," etc. All of this shaming is designed to get men to resign themselves to surrendering all of their income to one lackluster woman.

I've finally accepted that it is in the nature of male sexuality to seek variety. Due to the poor US economy, I can't go this year, but on my next trip I am committed to the Library Model.

[KongKing]

BTW, if you plan to visit Sabang, send a PM or post in this thread.

Despite my plans to relocate, I may still be here for a month or two. RedimI tried to PM you Redim but I can't. To do that you need to be a subscribing member or a senior member. Check the forum FAO for details. I would like to contact you about some of your possible new residential destinations.

[Redim]

I tried to PM you Redim but I can't. To do that you need to be a subscribing member or a senior member. Check the forum FAO for details. I would like to contact you about some of your possible new residential destinations.Sergeant:

Good post.

Your experiences with PH GF#1 is a typical story. And sounds like not a lot of damage was done. But many lessons learned.

When I first stepped into the Asian context (Indo for a year and now PH for two years) , I was confronted, confused and angry at the modus operandi of many of the Indo / PH ladies in terms of their tactics to milk and manipulate their foreigner BFs. I could write a book about the stories I've heard about the creative methods used by the girls to achieve their material gain.

These stories shocked me. However I always and still do listen to any of the stories as a learning process. In the beginning, I was angry and judgmental towards to perpetrators (the girls and their associates). But over time I learned more about the context in which the girls live. In our countries there is a social security system. We come from a 'welfare' state system. There are safety nets for those less fortunate. Here in the Asian context, there is no welfare system. The only safety net is the family.

So, my position now is this: I do not judge or condemn the girls or their actions to better their lives, feed themselves, their child or family. Switch positions with the girl and I would do the same if I was fortunate to get the attention of a 'green', gullible, naive man. We all look for opportunities in life for our own gain. These girls are not doing anything different with their available tools and chances as we do ourselves in our worlds.

And further: so now when I hear stories of some guy getting fleeced by a cutie, I acknowledge the girl's strategy. And am more judgmental of the man for allowing himself to be manipulated.

We must remember, women are women and share common traits all over the world. Women will push their agenda in relation to men. Men must remember that have the power to either 'allow' things to happen to them or 'now allow' those events. When I hear stories now, I know that the man allowed the events to happen to him. He allowed her to extract funds from him for repairs to his GFs family home. He allowed her to manipulate him for her own gain. He gave permission to himself to be weak. He gave away his power to his GF.

The message here: As my older Italian friend once said (20 years experience in PH) , there is a place for all men in PH. I once saw a man playing in the water with 2 young ladies at the beach in Sabang. I watched as they finished and returned to shore. At the shore line, I could see he had NO legs, not handsome, overweight. But nevertheless, the 2 lovelies were smiling, attentive and carried him back into the shade of the coconut tree to relax.

So, never think that your current GF is the only woman who will ever show you some attention or affection. And therefore you must allow her to manipulate you for fear she may leave you and crush your delicate ego.

My moto is this: "I am the prize". And there are countless opportunities around the next corner. So no need to be fearful of losing a that GF. Either she is an asset or a liability. Be clear and make your decision.

More thoughts about GFs.

I have been blessed here in PH. I've accepted 2 GFs. And they are a couple of the best humans I've ever had the fortune of meeting and sharing some of my life. Both never ever asked me for 1 peso. For example, my current GF had no credit in her phone and rather than ask me for credit, she sent txt to her sister asking for phone credit. That is an indication of the character here although rare, is available.

Having said that, I do my best to care for my GF and all her personal needs. Her empty phone credit was my oversight for the day. Hehehe.

I've now forgotten the reason for this post or the main point. Hehehe. So it has developed into a 'train of thought' ramble.

Until next time.

Redim.

PS Kingkong:

No worries about the PM. I will simply post in the main threads about other locations.

PSS: A final tip: When using ATMs in PH. Check your bank notes to make sure they are genuine. The local ATM here in Puerto Galera (Sabang) on occasions dispenses fake bank bills. View and check the 1000P notes. I got 1 and so did my friend. When I spoke to and told the young bank manage, he leaned forward to me and said "impossible" that HIS ATM can dispense fake money. Welcome to the philipines. Heheh

[Ray777]

The only action there is the ktvs and Filipino bars. I was there 8 months ago and the only bar (strip bar, Filipino) that I found was on 23 Naguilan Road. Near it, there is a Korean restaurant and a KTV. I barfined a cute 19yr old with D cups but she could not speak any english. She spoke Korean though. I think I paid 2. 5K long time. The strip club had few girls but I didn't bother. Me and my friend were the only gringos there. Overall city is not really worth visiting for hobby purposes and I suggest byo from AC.Thanks for the info.

[SergeantRay]

Ray,

It's been years since I've been to Baguio, and there wasn't much of a P4P scene, just a few girlie bars with steep barfines. Basically, the girls did a stage show dance routine while wearing numbers, and you could call them over and make arrangements.

The local Filipinos I was with never paid the barfine. They knew a girl or two who were "party girls" and were willing to perform after hours for a fraction of the barfine. These venues often screw themselves, making the barfine so high that fewer girls are hired out, and must make other arrangements after hours.

The big problem with Baguio, though, is the rain. When it rains, it rains hard and long. I've spent all day indoors in Baguio during a torrential downpour. When I first went to Cebu and it rained I thought,"Oh crap, a whole day shot down the tubes." I was surprised when the rain broke off in 15 minutes, the sun came out, and in a half hour I couldn't tell it had rained.

I have a friend in Cebu City who moved from Luzon just because Cebu doesn't have as much rains and flooding as Luzon.

I suppose the offsetting advantage of Baguio is that it is cooler.

[Yiddo]

There are also a lot of Koreans here and Koreans own a number of the establishments. Talking to the girls, they are not very keen on the Koreans who tend to treat the girls openly as if they were in a meat market.This was a very useful post, thanks. However, one comment : Pinay girls will often say things such as the above to white guys, and yet the younger, prettier ones will always choose Koreans above us. I am guessing it is the ones NOT attractive to Koreans who said the above!

[Red Kilt]

This was a very useful post, thanks. However, one comment : Pinay girls will often say things such as the above to white guys, and yet the younger, prettier ones will always choose Koreans above us. I am guessing it is the ones NOT attractive to Koreans who said the above!You might be right, but as an aside I have just been having coffee with 2 women who are caddy girls on a golf course south of Manila near Bacoor, and they told me they dislike being caddies for Korean guys.

They said they are "bastos". When I asked in what way, they told me they are always touching them, grabbing at them, yelling at them if they do not have a club ready immediately they want it, treating them like dirt and then rarely tipping them anything over the official rate.

When I suggested that only some guys were like this they refused to agree. They said all are like it. Go figure.

[Red Kilt]

D Cups asked the following on the Cebu thread:

Hi RK, any experience in Zamboanga? . They seem to have a high proportion of sexy ones on DIA. Thanks.

My response:

I think we have had a few different points of view here about the safety or otherwise of western Mindanao.

My own opinion is based on my working experience. I am permitted to go to Cagayan de Oro or Davao without restriction, and I agree that there are few problems in both cities.

Outside of them, like the road between them passing through Bukidnon, Agusan del Sur etc, we are advised not to go there without some form of security. There have been a few cases of groups being kidnapped along the road and a number of military were killed in an ambush a month or so ago.

Re western Mindanao: This includes Zamboanga, Pagadian City, Lanao del Norte and Cotabato / Maguindanao etc.

I am forbidden to go there and if I go it is at my own risk. The few times that I have been to Cotabato or ZC I have had security meet me at the airport and escort me all the way.

It is an uncomfortable place to visit because not only are there military and police roadblocks all the way if you travel by road but the risk of opportunistic banditry is high.

You cannot stroll around any of these cities like you can anywhere else, and the bar scene is zero anyway.

If you find a woman in these cities that you cannot resist I would suggest that you fly her to Cebu or Davao or suggest she takes the long haul bus ride to either Davao or CdO.

You will have to promise her the fare and you might even have to pay for it upfront with all the risks that entails.

My advice: Unless you can convince her to meet you in Davao or CdO or Cebu or even Manila, ignore her and click on by and look for other women. Some hardy adventurers will tell you all sorts of stories about me being too conservative but I don't like taking risks and going to places where the locals are unpredictable in all sorts of ways, and especially for mongering.

[GoodEnough]

I go to Zamboanga about once every 4-6 weeks and have been doing so for almost 8 years. Two or three years ago I would have disagreed with RK's post, as the city is not, strictly speaking in the conflict areas. However, it's situated about 40 minutes by boat from Basilan (lots of bad guys) , and is about 45 minutes or an hour by air from Sulu (even more bad guys) and it's become somewhat of a staging area. I was there about 6-8 months ago when a bomb went off at the airport, no more than 300 meters or so from the hotel in which I was staying. As little as two years ago, I walked around the city with no worries. I would not do so now and I encourage others who don't know the place to stay away.

There are a few clubs-Las Vegas, Zamboanga White, a place near the airport that used to be called Love Disco-and they're all pretty grungy with no foreigners. There's also a "take out" massage place called Penguin, which is equally grungy. But all of this is somewhat besides the point, which is that it's an unacceptable risk to go there. Zamboanga has no taxis, so transportation is pretty well limited to tricycles, which means you're an obvious and visible target. There are very few foreigners, so they stand out wherever they are.

I'm at the point now that when I go there, and I always have a car and driver, I go between my meeting sites, my office there and my hotel. I venture nowhere on foot and nowhere alone. There are few restaurants and no restaurants worth talking about. There are two hotels that are more or less acceptable to foreigners: the Garden Orchid, which is very close to the airport and which is where I always stay, and the Lantaca, which is right on the beach and too open, with too little security for my tastes.

Obviously, my situation is different from that of RK since I'm permitted to go and indeed have to go because we have lots of activities in and around the city. I do not use guards when I'm there, but as I said I have a car and a driver, and if I do have to venture out in the dark for meetings, I go with people who are armed.

This is not a place for the casual visitor and I agree with RK. If you simply must meet someone from Zambo, pay the Php3, 000 or so and fly her on the daily Cebu Pacific flight to Davao.

GE

[Sxxxx]

I tried to PM you Redim but I can't. To do that you need to be a subscribing member or a senior member. Check the forum FAO for details. I would like to contact you about some of your possible new residential destinations.Inbox full is a sure sign of Legend status. That other guy in that minor Davao thread, not the Official Davao thread, the minor one, often has his Inbox full, now your Inbox is full. Congratulations on reaching Legend status, thus can not answer your illuminating and secret pm, LOL.

[Keen Eye Joe]

Hey folks, I just returned from a 10 day visit to Negros Occidental. 3 days in Bacolod. 5 days at Sipalay Beach, then 2 days back in Bacolod. I was there visiting a pinay online friend so I didn't get to partake in any mongering. But I do have a tidbit of information that might be useful for some of you.


While in Bacolod I stayed at the downtown Westown Hotel. 1100 pesos for a really nice room. Breakfast was excluded, but I'm not much of a morning eater. It's in a great location, smack dab in the middle of downtown and within walking distance from the SM Mall. I can't imagine a better lodging value in Bacolod.


Saturday afternoon and the lady who was with me decided to take a nap (guess I had more stamina than she did, haha). Anyway, I decided to go out for a walk. I walked north and eventually came to the main park in Bacolod. The south side of the park has a large sign (Welcome to Bacolod, Home of the Masskara Festival) , see the attached pic. It's a busy place on the weekend, with all the benches in the park center occupied by people enjoying the day.


As I strolled down the cement paths under the tall trees, I spied a white guy sitting alone. Our eyes met and he gave me a wave, so I strolled over to him to make conversation. Turns out he was American, the first one I had come across in Bacolod. Actually seeing white folks in downtown Bacolod is a rarity, probably because it's no where close to any worthwhile tourist attractions.


He seemed like a pretty cool guy, so I eventually asked him where the good places were to find "paid company" in Bacolod. He chuckled and said,"man, you're right in the middle of it". He then said,"see those girls sitting over there?". I looked and there were 3 young girls around 18 to 20 years old, sitting on a concrete bench. Then he pointed to another bench in another section of the park where 2 more girls were sitting. He said the park is the place where girls come to ply their wares.


I asked him about prices, and he said the going rate is usually 500 pesos, but you can sometimes negotiate it down to 300. Of course he said that they probably would start the negotiating at 1000 for we rich westerners, which is the unwritten law of the land here.


I'm not about to tell you that any of the girls were primo material. They were average at best, and one was downright fugly. If this had been Cebu or Manila, there's no way I would have considered bedding any of them considering all the other options of finding company there. But in Bacolod it's not quite as easy to find someone, especially during the day. So in a pinch I guess I would have lowered my standards and gone for the bronze medal.


Hope this helps someone.

[Red Kilt]

Hey folks, I just returned from a 10 day visit to Negros Occidental. 3 days in Bacolod. 5 days at Sipalay Beach, then 2 days back in Bacolod. I was there visiting a pinay online friend so I didn't get to partake in any mongering. But I do have a tidbit of information that might be useful for some of you. <SNIP> I walked north and eventually came to the main park in Bacolod. The south side of the park has a large sign (Welcome to Bacolod, Home of the Masskara Festival). <SNIP> I eventually asked him where the good places were to find "paid company" in Bacolod. He chuckled and said,"man, you're right in the middle of it". He then said,"see those girls sitting over there?". I looked and there were 3 young girls around 18 to 20 years old, sitting on a concrete bench. Then he pointed to another bench in another section of the park where 2 more girls were sitting. He said the park is the place where girls come to ply their wares.
<SNIP> Hope this helps someone.

That is great information Joe (with the keen eye).

I was in Bacolod around 3 months ago for 2 nights only and I walked through this park a couple of times. I must say my antennae never twitched as I strolled around because I saw a lot of school-age kids but nothing that I would have been confident was old enough and willing enough. After your "heads-up" I will check more closely next time.

I am not "pissing on you" or even doubting what you say BUT. . . . . do you believe that your "new found friend" was reliable in what he said? Did he elaborate further? (eg. his experiences; were there any hassles, were all these girls looking etc?). Just checking on whether he was relating information from his experience or whether he was actually sitting there fantasising that all these girls were "plying their wares" and he wished he could partake.

My experiences in all of these rural "cities" eg Butuan, Iloilo, Bacolod, Ormoc. Etc is that there are always groups of girls sitting around swapping tsismis in the central city parks but I tend to stand out a bit (white, tall and slim) and I just cannot imagine myself going up to these groups and trying to draft one out of the "herd".
I also just can't imagine one of these shy country girls suddenly leaving her barkada group and going off with an unknown foreigner who happened to chat her up. I suspect it will require a deft exchange of cell phone numbers and a fair bit of follow-up before she ends up in your hotel bed. Now I know there will be guys who say they have had instant success in parks like this but my long experience of living and working here is that such a rapid "pick-up" will be more the exception than the rule.

[Keen Eye Joe]

Hey Red, I certainly understand your concern as to whether this guy was on the up and up and not just feeding me a line of hooey. I have a pretty good "BS Radar" and I never got the impression he was some sort of flake. I must admit I didn't press him for any personal experiences he might have had as it would have been a bit rude of me to ask him point blank. When I asked him about prices he volunteered the info, so I surmised he knew the game.

He said he and his wife had lived in Bacolod for about 5 years and he came often to the park to enjoy the shade and to chat with the locals to pass the time as a lot of friendly expats probably do. I certainly couldn't see this place as being a popular venue for foreigners to come score someone. 99 percent of any potential customers would be Pinoy, and I'm sure the "game" is a lot different with them than it would be with recognizable foreigners like you and I.

I will add that after I left him, I strolled down the path toward where the group of 3 girls were sitting. I made eye contact with them and the "alpha-female" of the group said,"Hello, sir" in a friendly yet not flirty way. I replied in kind, then continued walking without her replying to me. If they were looking for a score, I surmised she would have said something like "where are you going?" like I've had happen while strolling along Dumaguete's promenade after sunset. But then again I did not act interested in stopping and chatting with them, so nothing more was said.

As an aside, one night my Bacolod companion and I were sitting in the hotel room, deciding what to do later that evening. I suggested going to a disco and listening to music and dancing, but she quickly pooh-poohed that idea. When I asked why, she said,"discos are just pick up places for prostitutes". She says a lot of older Pinoy men go there to find young willing semi-pros. Sounds exactly like what I've experienced in my two trips to Mango Square discos in Cebu.

I haven't seen any information in this forum about Bacolod discos. Anyone have any first-hand info?

[SergeantRay]

i was in bacolod for about 10 days. at first i didn't see anything. having been in the plaza (and i'm assuming that's the park mentioned in the post) during the day, there are no vibes.

but at night there is a p4p scene. the girls are in the park across the street, and although i wasn't in the park / plaza, i was on the other side of the street in a little sidewalk cantina. there's a jollibee right across from it.

there was also a girlie bar in the area, just down the street from the plaza, but the prices were ridiculous. i ran into one of the girls after hours and made arrangements. there was also a female pimp working the street, but you've really got to be careful of thieves and ****d.

you're probably better off going to the bars at the goldenfields complex. i ran into the owner of happy fred's (in goldenfields) who's a great guy and might prove to be a good source of info.

ps keen eye joe, looking at your picture, that's the plaza. jollibee is to the left, and if you go in the direction of traffic in the photo, to the right, there's a girlie bar on the right on that street not far from there (100 yards tops).

[WestCoast1]

Spending 3 days here. Wow there's little here. The Gaisano mall is crap, old, low-brow. The newer, Limketkai mall is much nicer, many outdoor places, reminds you a bit of Greenbelt in Makati (just a bit, not quite as upscale). So far, that's it. Dragonslayer is right, its just a larger version of Surigao or Butuan. Having walked both malls, not a single look.

19 solid dating site gals who agreed flat out to meet-and-bang. 19. Am on my second night, have met with 3 of them so far. Had one walk away; she brought her cousin, we chatted an hour at Starbucks, and she walked. What an ego shot. She is the second meet-and-bang girl ever to not come back to my hotel after a drink. I nearly fell out of my chair. She said,"I'm not ready for this. Sorry po." The other two girls I sent packing: one was not attractive (fatter than shown on cam) , and the other, who had agreed in first chat to meet / bang and didn't seem to have any reservations or morality, was in fact sharp, moral, and wanted to know if I would marry her after banging her. OMG. She has sent this afternoon, since meeting, (no kidding) 61 txt msgs asking relationship questions. Strike 3. Whereas AC was a whirlwind of 2-6 girls a day, this has been 36 hours of, well, johnson needs a break anyway.

For the other 16 meet / bang contacts (almost all of whom I've chatted / txtd in the last 48 hours) , they have either:

1. Not responded to txt / chat;

2. Responded negatively: they don't really live in the area, gramma is to sick to leave at the moment (same as washing her hair?) , etc.

OK, what are the names of those gogo bars in the area? I'll post another report here about my hotel.

[WestCoast1]

Don't waste your time. The 1400 for a standard room (double bed) is fair. The hotel is large, and looks nice in the lobby and dining area. Mahogony, nice tile and nice stairwells. The room is spartan, like Diplomat in Cebu (fuente). The website claims free wifi in the room. I emailed in advance of the reservation to confirm this. Here is the website's description of the Standard Room:

High-Definition LCD TV, air conditioned room, free Wi-Fi internet access, IDD / NDD telephone, hot and cold shower, working table, breakfast included.

The wifi worked yesterday, and stopped this afternoon. I went walking around the hotel with my laptop to see if it was just near my room that had dropped off. Nope, everywhere. I took the lappy down to the lobby and it popped back on. Must be a temporary glitch, so I went back up the stairs. Off it went. Back to the lobby and front desk. I showed the receptionist my laptop:

Her: Yes. No more free wifi in rooms.

Me: Can I pay for it in my room?

Her: No sir. Only free in lobby.

Me: but I chose this place because you said it have free wifi in the rooms.

Her: no sir, we never say that.

Me: take a look at this email. It has your name on the bottom. You answer my question about free wifi in the room.

Her: I never say that sir.

Me: this is your email or not? You typed your name on the bottom. 3 separate times you said wifi in the room?

Her: yes sir it is.

I went to the website and showed her the room description you read above.

Me: this says free wifi in the room?

Her: no sir it does not.

Me: are we reading the same thing?

Her: sir its lobby only. Always.

Me: it worked yesterday.

Her: yes but we change it.

Me: so its not lobby-only always.

Her: your confusing me sir haha.

Me: you are the only one laughing. I need wifi in the room, not the lobby.

Her: you need to speak to manager. Hes here tomorrow. Maybe at 9am. Usually by 2pm. Sometimes don't come.

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The aircon went out this afternoon. I turned on the power in the room with the key in the wall, and POP the aircon dies. Sounded like a breaker. I went to the front desk and told them, they said they would send an engineer right up. Sweltering away for 30 minutes waiting, I go back down to the desk. Same receptionist."Oh? When did it go out sir?" OMG."I send engineer right now ok?" I told her I would go to the mall and come back in 2 hours. 2 hours later upon return, no aircon. Back at the desk: "Sorry sir. Engineer cannot go in your room without you. He's going there now." 20 sweltering minutes later the bellboy comes in bangs his hand on the wall by the aircon wall-unit and it comes right on.

Last night I wake up at 2am to yelling outside. The security guards are playing grab-ass in the street. Back to sleep. 2:45 I awaken to loud music, disco thumping. Walk down to the lobby to find the night receptionist guy sound asleep. Speakers in the ceiling above him are distorting with the same loud music; my room is directly above. I ring the bell on the front desk twice, to no avail, he's snoring."HEY!" He jumps up and the chair flies out from under him and he falls down."Sorry sir! What do you need?" "Turn the effing music down!" Its at this point I realize he's not wearing shoes. He walks over to the stereo, and slips on the tile floor in his bare feet, and nearly does the splits. Hoping he pulled a groin muscle.

Can't wait to see what happens next here.

[Whatsgoingon]

For the other 16 meet / bang contacts (almost all of whom I've chatted / txtd in the last 48 hours) , they have either:

1. Not responded to txt / chat;

2. Responded negatively: they don't really live in the area, gramma is to sick to leave at the moment (same as washing her hair?) , etc.

OK, what are the names of those gogo bars in the area? I'll post another report here about my hotel.Bad luck. I especially love the hotel!

[WestCoast1]

While the 'in-love-after-only-2-chats' girl that I met and sent home today sent me the 61 txts wanting to give me her virginity so I can marry her tomorrow, I had enough, and was sitting outside with the security guard at the front door (the phone reception inside is bad). At one point I looked over to him and asked if there were girly go-go bars in the area."Yes sir." Later I go out and he gets me a cab and asks where I'm going."The gogo bars we talked about before. Any one of them is fine." He says something to the driver, and off we go. 2 minutes later we pull up at Lemketkai Mall, where I met the girls today. Very upscale. WTF? The driver was looking around.

Driver: Sir, you want Coco bar?

Me: gogo bar.

Driver: huh.

Me: gogo bar. Girls?

Driver: huh.

Me: naked girls. Dancing girls. Barfine girls. (I made the girlie-figure with my hands)

Driver: oh. Ok.

He drives another block and pulls over.

Driver: here is coconut bar sir.

Me: what?

Driver: coco.

There was no such place there.

Me: take me back to the hotel.

Driver: ok.

So back we go. I say to the security guy the driver does not know where to go. Security says: "Coco sir?" O M F G! Another driver walks up and says to go with him. We jump in and he takes me to Blush's bar. About a dozen girls. Several dance (clothes on). I've asked the driver to come in and have a drink, which he was happy with (I was concerned with not getting a cab back at night). The waitress suggests I barfine one. I ask how much, she says "3. 5 for short time." I nearly barf up my san mig. Sitting back in the hotel lobby now on INTERNATIONAL SEX GUIDE, mostly because that banner is on every page, and the hotel is fully booked up for a convention: "Public Service Employees" or similar. Now that I'm relegated to the restraunt and lobby for my wifi, f*ck 'them. Let every public service employee in the joint who is also toying with his laptop see ISG each time I refresh. Hahaha. I'm the only kano in the joint. Think they know why I'm here?

[Eaglestar]

MANILA, Philippines (AP) — Philippine police say 14 armed men have abducted the 50-year-old Filipino wife of a German national, her son and her nephew from a southern island near a stronghold of al-Qaida-linked militants.

Senior Supt. Edwin de Ocampo says the men snatched Gerfa Yeatts Lunsmann, her 14-year-old son and her 19-year-old nephew from a house in Zamboanga city's Tictabon island village before dawn Tuesday, fleeing on two motorized boats.

De Ocampo says the abductors have not contacted authorities or made any ransom demands.

The victims were visiting relatives. The woman's husband, who lives in the USA state of Virginia, is abroad.

Tictabon is near Basilan island, a stronghold of al-Qaida-linked Abu Sayyaf militants. Moro Islamic Liberation Front rebels also have a presence in the area.

[Brymor]

Tried to PM you as I have just arrived at CDO and checked into the Marco in Cugman. Sounds like you are having a pretty miserable time here in CDO! I have three DIA dates lined up this afternoon, I am waiting at Limketkai for the first one to arrive, the other one who should have been the first date is late (surprise surprise) so the dates may collide figuratively speaking. If so I will just tell the one who originally kept me waiting, to wait see how she likes being made to wait around for one and a half hours. I then have a further date at 7pm out of town and received a confirmation text from her that she is still available. I do not plan these dates to be meet and fuck, rather exploratory meetings to see what they are like. I already blew my load in Cebu this morning and I am not feeling that frisky at the moment, but things can easily change once I have met the girl. If you are still around in CDO PM me with your cell if you fancy a cold beer later

[WestCoast1]

Thanks Mort.

Fairly fed up with CDO, I decide to depart a day early. Having been ignored by oodles of girls who had 48-60 hours prior agreed to meet / bang, I packed up and hit the front desk by 8:30am to check out and get to the bus terminal. Taxi to the terminal for a 9am bus. The bus has pulled out and gone exactly one block when I get this txt from one of the girls who ignored me:

Her: its me where you now?

Me: where you been?

Her: my baby was sick. But I want to come to your hotel now even its early. We f*ck like we talk about before.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

For the rest of the day I got txts from 3 other girls who also ignored me, who now wanted to meet. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you.

[Brymor]

Well I met up with three DIA contacts yesterday, actually it was 4 if you count one meeting where two girls turned up, but more about that later.

I had arranged to meet two DIA contacts yesterday about 2 hours apart so as not to have overlapping appointments, but as is usually the case, the first date turned up over one and a half hours late, just as my other date had arrived. I told the first one (an 18 year old student) that I was waiting in McDonalds and asked the other date (two girls) to wait for me as I was busy at that moment.

The 18 year old student for some reason took another 20 minutes to arrive at Macdonalds despite me texting her numerous times asking her to hurry. I placed myself around the back of the store so I could watch her arrival through the glass, as I had a good view of the entrance but was fairly well hidden from view myself. I texted her one final time telling her I was pissed at being kept waiting for so long and was leaving, only to see her sidle up to the front of Macdonalds, walking as though she had all the time in the world and not in the least bit hurried as I would have expected. Sadly despite seeing her on cam a few times, the one thing I now noticed is that her ass was way too big for my liking. Her body was chunky without being fat and she was dressed like a pro, to be completely honest just not my type. Now I knew she lived very close to the centre of town, so I decided to teach her a lesson and I texted her back saying I had left and didn't want to see her because she was so late. I would normally never agree with a guy who deliberately stood a girl up but in this particular instance she had pissed me off so much I was past caring and I also knew she could get home easily enough. A couple of terse texts were sent back and forth and that was the end of that.

Whilst I was sauntering in and around Limketkai, I had several girls making eye contact and a few even turning round to look at me when we walked past. Sadly I am no Brad Pitt, but I certainly feel like him when I am here. I just did not have time to really see if I could exploit these potential opportunities, but the vibes seemed good. I will save that for another day!

My second two dates were also DIA girls. In fact I had kind of engineered the two girls turning up together as I had told my chat mate I was accompanied with another foreigner also looking for a girl friend. I know it is a bit underhanded but it means that I usually can pick the best of the two girls or as is often the case, both girls will decide to accompany me. Anyway we sent several texts back and forth and arranged to meet in Starbucks by Limketkai Mall, and I was asked to describe what I was wearing so they could identify me. Having agreed to meet in Starbucks I ensconced myself in the outside seating area with a tea waiting for the girls. When they turned up I apologised and told them my imaginary friend had found another girl but they did not seem bothered at all. We spent over 30 minutes chatting, they were aged 18 and 19 and both pretty girls, one was very slim whilst the other was bordering the stage were I thought she was just a little too big but still not fat. To be fair they were both enjoyable company and I could see that we would have fun together.

Both girls agreed to come back to my hotel later (it was now 6pm and I had a further date planned for 7pm). I told them my cover story, that I had an American friend living in CDO and that they had invited me for dinner that evening. I tested the water and suggested that both girls stay with me at my hotel later and after some whispering they agreed. The girls told me they were really hungry and I gave them 300 pesos for food and the jeepney fare and both seemed delighted with this.

I then went back to the hotel, showered and changed and caught a cab out to Bugo about 15 KM East outside of town where I met my third date for the day. Another pretty 18 year old but looking for a serious relationship and marriage and not willing to fuck around for money, at least that was the impression I got. She arrived with her sister and we went for dinner in a place that resembled an old man's working club in the UK, complete with a terrible out of tune musician and two pretty but out of tune singers. I was forced to endure a disgusting meal of deep fried chicken and rice, whilst my ear drums were continually assaulted by a sound system that belted out the music and song at a hundred decibels. When the food arrived at the table, I started helping myself to the rice and an enormous plate of fried chicken, looked up and saw both girls staring at me expectantly? I said "whats wrong" and the older sister said to me with a straight face, "aren't you going to say grace before you eat?" I thought to myself WTF and reluctantly returned my piece of fried chicken back to the main plate. I then lowered my head in unison with the two girls, clasped my hands together and sat in silence whilst she mumbled a prayer. I was also thinking of a prayer in my head but I guess I was praying for other things, the kind God might not agree with! I even managed to make the sign of the cross when she had finished which went down well with both girls (my Catholic upbringing comes in handy sometimes). I told the girls I was really tired and I caught a taxi back after the meal to my hotel. I then texted the other two girls and apologised that I was tired and needed some sleep, actually the complete truth in this case. Got back to my hotel and crashed at about midnight feeling exhausted.

[WestCoast1]

Anyway we sent several texts back and forth and arranged to meet in Starbucks by Limketkai Mall, and I was asked to describe what I was wearing so they could identify me. Having agreed to meet in Starbucks I ensconced myself in the outside seating area with a tea waiting for the girls.Hahaha. I sat at that same Starbucks a few nights ago outside and met a stunner and her friend. The stunner was the one who stood me up after the coffee. Nice gal. They sent me the same txt, asking what I'm wearing. In fact in the last few days I've gotten that txt from multiple girls. In response to "What you wearing?" I usually txt back: "I'm the only person here blond / blue." To which one usually comes back from the girl: "Oh ya hahaha." Always cracks me up: they have all seen me on cam, and in the province I rarely see another kano. I got the same txt in Butuan today.


When the food arrived at the table, I started helping myself to the rice and an enormous plate of fried chicken, looked up and saw both girls staring at me expectantly? I said "whats wrong" and the older sister said to me with a straight face, "aren't you going to say grace before you eat?" I thought to myself WTF and reluctantly returned my piece of fried chicken back to the main plate. I then lowered my head in unison with the two girls, clasped my hands together and sat in silence whilst she mumbled a prayer.Haaaaaaaaaaa. Today I met a sweetie who says she's a virgin. Talked a few times for the last month. Agreed to meet and give me her virginity, even after I told her that's not a good idea. Wow. Asked if she could bring a cousin, and she did. WOW the cousin is a stunner. The cousin and I had a blast for 30 minutes (Jollibee, very romantic) , and my gal never spoke."Oh she shy to you. Because your guapo." Finally I said I was leaving, and asked the shy virgin if she wanted to come with me. She had not spoken to that point, and could not speak. She was blushing and could not look at me. The cousin was trying to talk her into staying with me ("look, hes handsome, go with him". Right there in jolibee so everyone could know what was happening) , but the shy one would not respond, and the cousin took her home. Just now as I'm typing this, the shy one comes online and apologizes: "Never seen foreigner man before in my life. I can't look your eyes because they blue." I think she got flustered. Originally in chat the shy one said she was 25, as was on her dating profile. But the cousin squealed and informed me "she's running 19 next month."

Another cutie was txting while I was meeting the shy girl. After shy girl left I had the cutie meet me at Dunkin Donuts. A meal at the food court followed, as did an afternoon of fun in the room (finally one who I didn't have to send away or walked away!). Too shy for pics, and was fine with 500. After the fun we napped, then went across the street for some halohalo. Srangely Mort, she asked if I was born-again christian. She said she was previously Iglesia n Christian. Then, like a true christian, she went back to the room where she offered boomboom again. Just sent her packing. Another one who said she's 25 in chat, but the I'd showed her as 22. In chat she had one child, a 2-yr-old daughter. But the boobs were too big and she was lactating. After the ditty she said she also has a 6-month old son, with a fever, and needed pesos.

As I'm writing this, the shy one comes online and apologizes, saying she never seen anyone with blue eyes before and got too embarrassed to speak in jolibee.

[Brymor]

I had at least two dozen dead certainties from DIA for my arrival in CDO but nothing ever pans out like you expect in the Philippines and always assume the worst. Some of these girls I have spent weeks and weeks chatting to on line to develop a rapport and make the first meeting that much less awkward.

Probably out of my dead certainties I have only had real success with maybe 30% of the DIA contacts I had made. It seems that unlike a lot of other places, CDO girls show Cagayan as their place of residence because it is the nearest big city but many actually live at least an hours drive outside the city, or one and a half hours if travelling by jeepney. I found many girls just did not have the means to pay their fare one way to meet me and that they could not even borrow the money to get here. Some show CDO but live in Ozamis, Dipolog and other areas many hours drive from CDO. Even the ones living one or two hours out of town could not afford or borrow the 40 or 50 pesos to get here and I am not really willing to drive around the North of Mindanao in a taxi going to meet these girls

Of course I checked where they lived during on line conversations and many gave assurances they could get to CDO but the reality was somewhat different. I am meeting a 28 years old DIA girl tonight in CDO and she is getting a jeepney in to town with her friend. Now she has already told me the journey by jeepney will take one and a half hours and we have spent most of the last two hours texting back and forwards, with me continually reassuring her that I will be there to meet her and that I will pay her fare. Even if she was completely not my type, I will be there as promised to meet her and pay her fare, I would not want to let her down at all. I only met her on line (DIA) this lunchtime and she was initially very suspicious about why I was in CDO. My well rehearsed cover story is that I have an American friend living here with his Filipina wife and kids, but they have had to go to Davao/Manila/Cebu unexpectedly due to a family illness. Maybe this meeting will prove fruitful, at the very least I will hope to have dinner with two charming female companions and if it turns out to be something more I will report back here tomorrow.

I had been chatting on line to a 35 year old single mom with an 18 year old daughter for some weeks. They are living just outside CDO. She was keen to find a foreigner for her daughter and I was keen to help her. She had assured me that her daughter was a virgin and although I doubted that, anyway it helped to fuel my desires and fantasies.

She had arranged to meet me yesterday first at Limketkai Mall and then later at my hotel with her daughter but had stood me up. Anyway I know I broke the mongers cardinal sin and told her where I was staying and this afternoon she turned up unannounced and sent me a text saying she was waiting for me in reception. WTF luckily I was at the hotel and alone so I went over to find two ugly women sat in reception waiting for me. It turns out she had left her daughter at home and brought her sister in law, because they wanted to meet me. Her daughter was apparently busy in the province and could not come. I felt I had been set up and I was very candid with them about my feelings. I told her quite bluntly that she had no right to turn up unnanounced and to NEVER come to my hotel again without permission. I told her I had come to meet her daughter not her sister in law and to take a hike, especially as she had already stood me up. I quietly ranted at them for a few minutes both of them sat sullen looking as they listened. I pulled out a wad of 20 and 50 peso notes and said "I will pay your jeepney fare" but the sister in law said "we don't want your money thank you" and both women sauntered off like scolded schoolchildren.

I then got a text from the mother about 15 minutes later saying how badly I had treated them and that they had spent over 300 pesos on a taxi fare to get there. I called her bluff and sent a text back quote " I saw you arrive by jeepney you liar, you stood me up yesterday and you arrive here without your daughter and without you letting me know, don't waste my time again". I never heard from her after that

[Brymor]

well the two dates last night were charming company, we all had dinner at the golden cowrie just round the block from macdonalds and close to yellow cab pizza. food was ok it serves traditional phillipines food but is slightly more upmarket than the normal local eateries and food was pleasant enough.

the girls were aged 24 and 28, the youngest had two young children but she was actually the nicest of the two. we spent a couple of hours laughing and joking and then i suggested it might be a bit late to travel back home (it was around 8pm). the older of the two told me she had a brother living behind robinsons mall and that they would go to see him so i told her if she and her friend needed a place to stay for the night, i had plenty of room at my place (i am all heart). i gave them 100 pesos each for their jeepney fares.

then went off to meet fellow isg member kongking to do a trawl of the bars around divisoria and got a text about an hour later from the older girl thanking me for my kindness but that they would make their way home. i think they are both achievable but it will take a bit more time and effort and i am not so sure i have the inclination.

kongking and myself tried to hit the bars at around 8. 30pm but most do not open until around 9pm and we eventually found ourselves in spooks. i have been in spooks a few times before on previous visits to cdo but this is the first time i met the owner mike. seems like he is having all sorts of problems with the philippines bureau of internal revenue (tax authourity) and from all accounts has been treated pretty badly. what i did like about mike was his staunch resilience in the face of such adversity and how he refuses to pay people off, when completely surrounded in shit storm of corruption. i take my hat off to him, i could never endure some of the problems he has encountered over the last 5 years and it just reinforces my view, never to open a business here.

i was not particularly enamoured with spooks the first time i visited at year or two back but i have changed my mind now. mike was very welcoming, knowledgable and helpful and i was never ever pressurised to buy lady drinks. all the lady drink prices are clearly displayed on the wall so there is transparency with the pricing structure. unlike most of the other bars in cdo, there is no cover charge at spooks and the most interesting aspect of all is that there is no longer any bar fine, that is something you negotiate individually with the lady of your choice. the women last night were of varied quality but seemed more friendly than most of the other bars i have been to. there was one new girl at the bar an absolute stunner, aged 18 and just started a week ago. now i am not a big user of bar girls but i have to say i would have taken this girl in the blink of an eye, but sadly kongking had already beaten me to her and had visited her earlier that evening and struck a deal. kongking you lucky sob.

we did a few bars most of whom were charging around 55 pesos cover charge plus the cost of a drink so your first drink would cost about 110 pesos give or take.

most of the bars in cdo are all within walking distance of each other and we spent some time in a bar around the corner from spooks (newly opened i believe) called 'three point shots' girls were of a good standard, usual cover charge of 55 and sml 55 making it 110. the thing that i did not like was that the bar fine here (as in most other bars) is 3000 but that is only for short time. that is way, way too expensive considering that you may have bought a couple of expensive lady drinks before bar fining, an hours pop back at your hotel could easily cost you 4000 or more, when you add your drinks, her drinks, the bar fine and taxi home. from memory this is about the going rate in most of the bars in cdo though if you use some of the more primitive local bars prices are much cheaper and the girls can still be remarkably pretty.

even though it was a thursday night, divisoria was bustling, several young hookers plying their wares around the back streets, but numbers definitely down from my last visit in january when the place seemed to be teeming with young street hookers. we got chatting to one expat drinking at a local bar who claims **** hookers have been taking guys back to some of the nearby short time hotels, only for a couple of cops to burst in and demand payment. i don't know how true this is and though i don't condone the pratice using girls of questionable age, i also despise corruption, greed and dishonest practices. just a warning to other mongers to be on your guard.

just want to say thanks to kongking for introducing me to a completely hidden expat community in cdo, one that seems to be friendly, thriving and very active. ignore some of the posters who say there are not many foreigners in cdo, that is just not an accurate assessment at all. ok compared to places like cebu there are not as many granted, but i would definitely consider cdo as one of my retirement destinations next year, one because i like the city for all sorts of reasons, but secondly you have a pretty well established and supportive expat community there.

[Red Kilt]

<SNIP

. I felt I had been set up and I was very candid with them about my feelings. I told her quite bluntly that she had no right to turn up unnanounced and to NEVER come to my hotel again without permission. I told her I had come to meet her daughter not her sister in law and to take a hike, especially as she had already stood me up. I quietly ranted at them for a few minutes both of them sat sullen looking as they listened. I pulled out a wad of 20 and 50 peso notes and said "I will pay your jeepney fare" but the sister in law said "we don't want your money thank you" and both women sauntered off like scolded schoolchildren.

I then got a text from the mother about 15 minutes later saying how badly I had treated them and that they had spent over 300 pesos on a taxi fare to get there. I called her bluff and sent a text back quote " I saw you arrive by jeepney you liar, you stood me up yesterday and you arrive here without your daughter and without you letting me know, don't waste my time again". I never heard from her after thatI am glad it ended up OK for you Mortman but these sort of things scare me a bit, especially since they already know where you are staying and what you look like. I assume they didn't know your room number.

Just to elaborate. I had a mate stay in Cebu at Eddie's Hotel a year or so ago (before it became Beverly Boutique) and he had a very similar scenario to you. Sent 2 women off like you did. He got a text a few minutes after they had left saying they were going to report him to the police for assaulting them. He guessed they were bluffing but soon after he got a fone call from reception saying there was a guy downstairs asking for him. He freaked out and told the woman at reception to say he wasn't there and he left the hotel by the back door. He returned a few hours later when he assumed the coast was clear and checked out and went to another hotel. It seems from what he was told by the receptionist later that it was probably the woman's husband who was at reception but he never found out any further details. Luckily the receptionist was discreet and called him up without giving anything away to the visitor. I don't think you can underestimate what these pissed-off pinoys can and might do, so I err on the side of extreme caution. It just gets way too complicated and remember - the customer might always be right but the foreigner is always wrong.

I must say my absolutely fundamental rule is NEVER tell women where you are staying until you are already in the taxi going back to the hotel and she has got her hand in your lap.

[KongKing]

Mortman, I like your style and postings. And you are good company!

Yes we did a round of the bars in the downtown area last night. Just to complement Mortman's posting, the 'Three Points Shots' bar was the new discovery for me. It has been open just a month and replaces the upstairs Thrives nightclub; same owners I gather. Some nice cuties there but, as Mortman says. 3000p for a short time bar fine (all inclusive) is ridiculous. It is located at street level on Capistrano Street, opposite the new SaveMore shop.

We called in at Japanese owned Gion and the New Love Oro; two Clubs like Spooks with comfortable seating. But both were dead on a Thursday night at about 10pm. No girls on stage at the time, a few sitting around the edges, just a few customers and we didn't bother to stay. Next then to Fantastic which is popular with some members here on ISG but for me it is a bit of a turn off. The plastic and aluminium cane chairs are not all that comfortable; the half dozen dancing girls had a rather fuller figure but one in particular I am sure would put a smile on D-Cups face. They danced mechanically, somewhat stone-faced, and mainly preened themselves in the wrap around mirrors. There seemed to be some nice young slim cuties (Guest Relations Officers or GROs) sitting in the back rows behind us but we had little opportunity to size them up.

There are a few down market Clubs, stackable chairs, like Hot Babes, Club 39, and Coras 2, 3. There seemed to be nothing much there last night, but sometimes the place for the real new girl discovery. If Mortman's still around we may take a closer look tonight. Friday and Saturday evening is the Night Cafe and street market and the Divisoria area will be buzzing.

As Mortman and Westcoast1 have found, finding and capturing chat-mates takes much more effort, patience, and let-downs, in this part of the Philippines than in Luzon and Cebu. Don't expect to bed a chat-mate after a few chats and a first meeting. In fact the going can be tough if you are looking for instant success, and the clubs may be the answer but at a big price, or use the street scene, at a much cheaper price but higher risk.

KongKing

[GoodEnough]

I have nothing much to add on the current status of CDO as Mortman and Kongking have summed it up well. My guess is that the whole scene, together with the city will change dramatically over the next couple of years. CDO is one of two cities-Davao being the other-that are booming economically in Mindanao. Indeed, they are two of the only true success stories in the whole sorry country. With lots of local investment washing in, the club scene will doubtless change as well. There will be more clubs I think and perhaps slightly higher end venues. I can see that in Davao, the new Ayala Mall is forcing changes in the whole retail market.

I can well understand why some would find CDO attractive as a possible retirement destination. It's fairly well governed, as Philippine cities go, and it's reasonably attractive and clean. For me, in the end, it's just too small and there's no international destination available from the city, which means if you have to bail in a hurry, you're limited in your actions. However, once the new Ayala Mall in Cebu is completed, that may change the face of things in ways that are not entirely foreseeable. Right now, I find it too provincial.

GE

[Brymor]

got stood up last night by a dia contact who didn't reply to text messages when she failed to turn up at scheduled meeting at 10pm last night. was in a bit of a bad mood as kongking and i had gone out for some dinner together at a really nice thai restaraunt, i was starving hungry and thai food being my favourite, i was looking forward to a nice dinner. i knew it was a bad omen when it took about four attempts before the waiter (on a work placement) got our order correct and then only when a more senior member of staff intervened. we placed our food order after the drinks arrived and after one hour went to investigate whether they had despatched the waiter to bangkok to collect our meals! seems like there was a mix up and the food order had not been taken. we both walked out in disgust without paying for the drinks. the failure of my dia date to turn up was just the icing on the cake.

kongking was otherwise engaged later in the evening so i set about wandering divisoria and i was surprised at the number of young hookers lining the streets after 11pm. when i say dozens i am not exaggerating and if street hookers are your thing, cdo beats cebu hands down. some of the girls were very cute, and without exception almost all will initially quote 1500 pesos to a foreigner and almost 99% will accept 500 even for long time. i spent an hour or so wandering around, stopping and chatting to the girls, who were on the whole engaging and friendly. the streets are quite dark at this time of night, but as i have always found on every visit to cdo i felt completely at ease, absolutely no danger or risk at all. obviously common sense (that intagible and hard to describe quality) must always prevail, but i am always polite, don't take unecessary risks and have never ever felt in the slightest way threatened, wandering around downtown cdo at night.

plenty of massage places, most offer legitimate massage although there are one or two places that are just fronts for rather tired old prostitutes to overcharge you for poor sex. i counted three blind massage places last night and although i had already had a very good massage earlier in the evening, i had this peverted fantasy of having some attractive blind woman rubbing her hands over my naked body. i checked all three places out and none of them would allow male customers to be massaged by female therapists, fuck that i thought, there is no way i am paying a guy to touch my body.

i ended up in spooks with an old friend last night and stayed for a couple of drinks. correction on my earlier post, spooks has a cover charge of 35 after 9pm which is still very reasonable and cheaper than most places. girls were of a good quality last night, the floorshows are better than most of the other bars and i had an enjoyable time there last night without taking anything out.

will be back in divisoria tonight if my dia contacts let me down this time, i will probably get a take away from one of the clubs. i need to get back to cebu to see daisy tomorrow, she is arranging a couple of students to meet me once i have checked into my hotel, the anticipation is killing me.

[WestCoast1]

I had at least two dozen dead certainties from DIA for my arrival in CDO but nothing ever pans out like you expect in the Philippines and always assume the worst. Some of these girls I have spent weeks and weeks chatting to on line to develop a rapport and make the first meeting that much less awkward.To be honest, I missed meeting several of my contacts because something went completely wrong in the txting transmission. I sent several girls a txt saying,"Hi its me, this is my phils numer. I'm in CDO tomorrow. Txt back please." They never got the txt. 3 of them have sworn me up / down pretty good, saying they kept waiting for me to send my number. Once I had (later) sent the # in YM, they contacted me, too late.

On the other hand, in both CDO and Butuan, I got a LOT of they bring their mom / sis / auntie to meet me. I say fine, bring one person, but they bring two extra. I'm very clear prior in chat that if mom doesn't like me, she can take the girl home. Otherwise, its a short meeting, and the girl is going with me to the hotel. Usually in Cebu and Manila this is easy stuff, the mom / aunt sends the youngster off to my room with me. But not cdo / butuan. There seems to be some confusion. They leave and go home (all of them) , only to txt to set up ANOTHER meeting for mom / aunt to chat me. Nothin' doing', sister. Both the girl, and her mom / aunt / sis, got mad at me after, when I didn't want another public meeting."Bring her to my hotel, or don't bother." Is followed by this from auntie: "Why? What your purpose there?" I get the feeling the girl is too shy to tell her kin what she's agreed to.

Not so in AC. An aunt brought her niece (the girl) and another niece directly to Central Park. Once inside the room, the aunt grabbed my morning newspaper and said,"I wait in lobby."

[Yiddo]

Just did 5 days in PG (Sabang).5 go-go bars open (Sabang Disco, Las Vegas Disco, Philippine Village Disco, Venus Disco, Broadway Disco). Pink Panther was closed. The scene is OK for Westerners if you don't insist on the youngest, prettiest girls, because they are 100% reserved for Koreans. PV Disco and Venus Disco has a handful of absolute stunners, much better in my opinion than anything you see in AC, but if you are not Korean you have about as much chance of bedding Beyonce. I even tried offering P3000 ST (on top of the P1000 BF!) for one of them, and the answer was still no. Mamasan in the PV actually told me that those girls are not allowed to go with anyone but a Korean (the place is Korean owned). So, unless you come from that country which only even exists because the US allows it to, maybe you will find PG to be a frustration. I did.

[Chocha Monger]

To be honest, I missed meeting several of my contacts because something went completely wrong in the txting transmission. I sent several girls a txt saying,"Hi its me, this is my phils numer. I'm in CDO tomorrow. Txt back please." They never got the txt. 3 of them have sworn me up / down pretty good, saying they kept waiting for me to send my number. Once I had (later) sent the # in YM, they contacted me, too late.

On the other hand, in both CDO and Butuan, I got a LOT of they bring their mom / sis / auntie to meet me. I say fine, bring one person, but they bring two extra. I'm very clear prior in chat that if mom doesn't like me, she can take the girl home. Otherwise, its a short meeting, and the girl is going with me to the hotel. Usually in Cebu and Manila this is easy stuff, the mom / aunt sends the youngster off to my room with me. But not cdo / butuan. There seems to be some confusion. They leave and go home (all of them) , only to txt to set up ANOTHER meeting for mom / aunt to chat me. Nothin' doing', sister. Both the girl, and her mom / aunt / sis, got mad at me after, when I didn't want another public meeting."Bring her to my hotel, or don't bother." Is followed by this from auntie: "Why? What your purpose there?" I get the feeling the girl is too shy to tell her kin what she's agreed to.

Not so in AC. An aunt brought her niece (the girl) and another niece directly to Central Park. Once inside the room, the aunt grabbed my morning newspaper and said,"I wait in lobby."The Smart network has been having some issues lately. I've gotten messages to that effect when trying to text in Manila over the last few days. That being said, you can never rule out the possibility that some girls just got a case of the cold puki when the time came to actually go through with their promises to meat with you. The girls also chat multiple mongers and another fellow may simply be occupying her hole for the next couple days or weeks. Expect a frantic burst of communication once he departs with his pesos and no commitment to long term fiscal injections via Western Union.

[WestCoast1]

The girls also chat multiple mongers and another fellow may simply be occupying her hole for the next couple days or weeks. Expect a frantic burst of communication once he departs with his pesos and no commitment to long term fiscal injections via Western Union.That's whats happened."You left? How dare you! You say were going to be together!"

[X Man]

As CM mentioned, SMART had some problems last week.

I've also found that it helps to turn the phone off and on every once in a while. Sometimes the phone just needs a reset. Once I sent a pile of messages and got nothing back for a whole day, eventually learning that nothing had been transmitted. I've learned that if you don't get replies almost immediately, you should start trouble shooting.

And the reason I use SMART is because I had a problem with GLOBE a few years back. I lost several days because of that. At the globe office the lady said that this particular series of numbers is not working, would I like to buy another SIM. I smiled and said, yes, I'm going to buy a SMART SIM. I prefer to buy the load cards and I found with SMART that you might have to try to call in your load several times. You often get busy signals.

All this may sound trivial, but I wasted a lot of precious holiday time before I figured all these things out. X.

X

[GoodEnough]

As CM mentioned, SMART had some problems last week.

And the reason I use SMART is because I had a problem with GLOBE a few years back. I lost several days because of that. At the globe office the lady said that this particular series of numbers is not working, would I like to buy another SIM. I smiled and said, yes, I'm going to buy a SMART SIM. I prefer to buy the load cards and I found with SMART that you might have to try to call in your load several times. You often get busy signals.

All this may sound trivial, but I wasted a lot of precious holiday time before I figured all these things out. X.

XX, I feel your pain. Until quite recently I had both Smart and Globe post-paid and have had similar problems with both; dropped calls, network downtime, a voice explaining that the number I just called "is not yet in service," despite the fact that I had connected to it an hour earlier, and so on. In terms of service, I don't find much, if any difference between the two companies. I dropped Smart because the service people are hopeless and indifferent, whereas with Globe, I've found quite the opposite to be true. The problem with both companies is, I think, the failure to invest in network technologies outside of Luzon, coupled with an ever growing subscriber base. So there is an increasing number of people trying to access inadequately sized networks.

I have four Globe accounts, and when I do have problems, the Globe people are invariably helpful and fast. This kind of service is so unusual in the Philippines, that I like to reward it with fidelity whenever I find it.

GE

[Devils 1]

X, I feel your pain. Until quite recently I had both Smart and Globe post-paid and have had similar problems with both; dropped calls, network downtime, a voice explaining that the number I just called "is not yet in service," despite the fact that I had connected to it an hour earlier, and so on. In terms of service, I don't find much, if any difference between the two companies. I dropped Smart because the service people are hopeless and indifferent, whereas with Globe, I've found quite the opposite to be true. The problem with both companies is, I think, the failure to invest in network technologies outside of Luzon, coupled with an ever growing subscriber base. So there is an increasing number of people trying to access inadequately sized networks.

GEIts interesting you bring this up because the problem is going to grow like a tidal wave. I have noticed the "smartphone" revolution has come to the Phils. I have a friend who works for Verizon in the US (one of the 2 largest cell providers in the US) she told me that in the 3 yrs following the smartphone revolution their data load increased by 1700, no typo 1700%.

[FreebieFan]

The Smart network has been having some issues lately. I've gotten messages to that effect when trying to text in Manila over the last few days. That being said, you can never rule out the possibility that some girls just got a case of the cold puki when the time came to actually go through with their promises to meat with you. .One of the things that amuses / frustrates / maddens / baffles me (depending on how recently I've been laid) is the way that my Smart sim mysteriously and suddenly stops sending and receiving texts the moment I walk into an Ayala / Globe area such as an Ayala mall. Signal works, walk into mall, signal dead.

Of course the simple reason is that Ayala owns Globe, so why would they allow Smart signal equipment in their malls, but it just seems a tad petty. Equally baffling is the way both Smart and Glovbe claim to have "widest network, largest coverage" etc. They cat both be correct.

[X Man]

Although I don't live in the Philippines, I had a third date with a gal (former viking gal) in Cebu and there were two things I don't like about her. 1 she smokes (sorry GE, I know this is your favorite bad habit) 2 she sends way too many texts and also complains that I don't reply. Right in front of her I send her a text, which doesn't arrive. (I had a hint that there was a problem because I gave specific instructions about the meeting place in SM mall which seemed to be ignored). I turned my phone off and turned it back on, send the msg, and she got the msg. FK! THis seems to happen most often when I send multiple messages. Just got an email from the gal who insists my lack of reply was because I had multiple gals in my room. I did, but that wasn't why I didn't reply! These problems do waste time and especially spoil your value with regular gals you may be trying to meet.

I just realized that this is in "other areas" thread. Probably should be somewhere else to give guys phone info. I'm can't be bothered, but thanks GE. I do make it a point to give my biz to companies that give good service, so will buy a Globe SIM next time in PI. THe ones I have don't seem to work. I guess they have an expiration date.

X Man.


X, I feel your pain. Until quite recently I had both Smart and Globe post-paid and have had similar problems with both; dropped calls, network downtime, a voice explaining that the number I just called "is not yet in service," despite the fact that I had connected to it an hour earlier, and so on. In terms of service, I don't find much, if any difference between the two companies. I dropped Smart because the service people are hopeless and indifferent, whereas with Globe, I've found quite the opposite to be true. The problem with both companies is, I think, the failure to invest in network technologies outside of Luzon, coupled with an ever growing subscriber base. So there is an increasing number of people trying to access inadequately sized networks.

I have four Globe accounts, and when I do have problems, the Globe people are invariably helpful and fast. This kind of service is so unusual in the Philippines, that I like to reward it with fidelity whenever I find it.

GE

[Slippery]

So you were eating her out and there was blood. Then you put a condom on to screw her? Something smells fishy here.

[Member #4491]

I do make it a point to give my biz to companies that give good service, so will buy a Globe SIM next time in PI. THe ones I have don't seem to work. I guess they have an expiration date.

X Man.Unfortunately most poor and available girls sit on Smart or Sun down in Mindano it seems, so I found that the would not reply to my Globe SIM. Eventually I got a Smart and after not using my Globe during one trip, it died, just like yours seem to have done.

B

[Nvslim]

So you were eating her out and there was blood. Then you put a condom on to screw her? Something smells fishy here.Time for you to go back to sex ed class. :) When a woman gets sexually excited her pussy will puff up as more blood is pumped to the area. Just like a man's cock getting erect.

Slim

[Sammon]

However, after some time I was finally able to make a decision by choosing a petite young Filipina named Liezle. I took her out of the disco and got her something to eat at the barbecue. I wanted to make sure that she was satiated with a hearty meal of food and drink before having sex with her. After a meal at the barbecue we headed to the disco- the one without women for pay-for-play. I liked to make the experience more GFE. After a brief stint at the disco we headed back to the Mermaid Resort. I politely offered her snacks from the mini-bar, of which she graciously accepted. After a brief chat in which I asked her questions about herself as well as telling her about myself I told her I was going to take a shower. I stripped down in front of her, so as to augment her arousal with my physicality before I actually got down to touching her. Once we were both showered and laying on the bed I began to go to work on her. I always show the initiative and take the helm by first stimulating the woman. I began to kiss her ear lobes, the back of her neck, her face and light succulent kisses to her lips, finalized with deep French kissing. I then proceeded to move my mouth down to her breasts, lavishing oral attention on her nipples. I spent a good ten minutes on her breasts and then proceeded to kiss her stomach and the inside of her thighs, ever so slowly drawing my tongue closer to her labia. After she could no longer bare the sexual tension I began to lavish oral attention on her clitoris, eventually sucking on it hard. She began to moan and then I stuck my tongue deep inside her vagina, while pushing her legs up in the air and bending her supple spine until her asshole was exposed. Not hesitating one wee bit I stuck my tongue deep inside her asshole, pushing it in as deep as it would go with machine like rapidity. Her pussy was engorged with blood and dripping fluids, of which I ravenously lapped up after taking a brief reprieve from licking her asshole. Once I felt both her ass and pussy were sufficiently stimulated I motioned for her to start sucking my dick, of which she didn't hesitate for a moment to imbibe with extreme relish. Once I was nice and hard I put on a condom and inserted my cock into her pussy from behind. She was lean, much more so than the girls I banged in the Dominican Republic. I have never banged girls this lean before in my life. I was pulling her in towards my loins while at the same time I thrust my cock into her pussy vigorously. After banging her doggy style I then flipped her on her back and banged her missionary style. She was beautiful and I took liberty of kissing her on the lips while banging her from the missionary position. I was still hard and did not have to pull the condom off to lube my cock to get it hard again, usually by licking her pussy or asshole. After I had pounded her missionary style and had her moaning and dying to be fucked even harder I flipped her over and put her on top of my cock and had her fuck me cowgirl style, which she did rapidly. As she got more aroused she just started riding me harder and harder. She just loved it, banging me ever harder until my cock was getting bent back. Finally, she got so exhausted that she could no longer continue. She was finished, having had several orgasms.Seems like you are more interested in ass licking. I would suggest you invest in some solutions to clean out the asshole before you indulge. There are many enema solutions available. This is what adult film actresses use.

It will help your health also.

By transferring your tongue between asshole and vagina, you will be causing infection.

By introducing germs.

[Soapy Smith]

I do make it a point to give my biz to companies that give good service, so will buy a Globe SIM next time in PI. THe ones I have don't seem to work. I guess they have an expiration date. X Man.I think with smart, if the card is not used for 90 days they cut it off.

[Mongrinastrlnd]

I think with smart, if the card is not used for 90 days they cut it off.The official rule is 120 days without load, however I have seen multiple examples that the reality is 1 year.

[X Man]

I met a few gals last trip who have dual sim. How much do those phones cost? I only spend 20-30 days in Phil. A year, so quite happy to rely on the 1000 peso Nokio I bought about two years ago. It does the job. Usually. But your post is important. A regular gal may not be able to respond quickly if she is on another system. And for the poorest gals, I've learned it's nice to figure out the pasaload or whatever system. X.


Unfortunately most poor and available girls sit on Smart or Sun down in Mindano it seems, so I found that the would not reply to my Globe SIM. Eventually I got a Smart and after not using my Globe during one trip, it died, just like yours seem to have done.

B

[Member #4491]

I met a few gals last trip who have dual sim. How much do those phones cost?I had two.

One Samsung D880 I bought late 2008 for some 150 € on Ebay and one Philippino crap brand that was even more useless than the Samsung. There are many Chinese dual SIM phones on eBay if your not worried about usability.

I'd rather carry one Android that I can surf on and one small&simple for my secondary SIM. And one "home phone", but I rarely bring that one.

Barba

[Col Law]

I met a few gals last trip who have dual sim. How much do those phones cost? I only spend 20-30 days in Phil. A year, so quite happy to rely on the 1000 peso Nokio I bought about two years ago. It does the job. Usually. But your post is important. A regular gal may not be able to respond quickly if she is on another system. And for the poorest gals, I've learned it's nice to figure out the pasaload or whatever system. X.Chinese 1300 I paid in e mull

[Maphrao]

Hello, Bro:.

First time in PI and first time in*

Palawan after years of mongering.

All over Asia. I come there with.

My thai Tiger GF to dive and.

Relax from Bangkok but I would.

Like to know (I read all the forum,

Did my homework.

And did the research of course) *

If there are some massage.

Parlours (with HJ BJ and may.

Be FS) around Puerto Princessa.

(for HJ BJ service it's around 500 pesos?

And for FS one pop?) and around.

El Nido too as I won't be able to.

Play by night or shop a girl in.

Manila as I would do if I was coming.

Alone. I know my chances are low.

And my only hopes are in the*Forum, *

Thank you guys.

[Engine Driver]

Flo69. Thanks for the excellent research on the Boracay P4P scene. Here's my 2 cents worth.

Boracay is only a good place for a family holiday, a holiday with your AC takeout or for diving. The mongering scene is dreadful. Cocomangas Shooters Bar is really the only pickup joint of note and it has about 20-25 freelancers in there every night. Most are so ugly, that by comparison, the creatures at MBC seem positively beautiful! The fee in Boracay is around 2000 pesos, long or short time negotiable. Most will complain and renege on deals already discussed. No do blow job, or the usual 'me shy' routine for DATY. The Koreans and Taiwanese are the biggest tourist groups in Boracay, so may be the girls can get away with absolute shit service. All hotels in Boracay are girl friendly, but the hotel guard will withold her ID until you have finished the job. Save your money for AC.

[Iron Duke]

Flo69. Thanks for the excellent research on the Boracay P4P scene. Here's my 2 cents worth.

Boracay is only a good place for a family holiday, a holiday with your AC takeout or for diving. .ED.

Hate to disagree with you but the diving in Boracay is terrible! Moalboal (Cebu) and Alona Beach (Bohol) are much better.

[Engine Driver]

ED.

Hate to disagree with you but the diving in Boracay is terrible! Moalboal (Cebu) and Alona Beach (Bohol) are much better.Iron Duke,

I'm not saying that diving in Boracay is fantastic. Its just that you wouldn't go to Boracay for the P4P scene alone and the diving provides some pleasant diversion at an otherwise boring place. Agree that there are far superior places in the PI for diving.

[Hairy Wonder]

I met a few gals last trip who have dual sim. How much do those phones cost? I only spend 20-30 days in Phil. A year, so quite happy to rely on the 1000 peso Nokio I bought about two years ago. It does the job. Usually. But your post is important. A regular gal may not be able to respond quickly if she is on another system. And for the poorest gals, I've learned it's nice to figure out the pasaload or whatever system. X.X Man,

You can find the unlocked dual sim GSM phones in the US on the TigerDirect or Geeks dot com sites at times. The prices vary so much that I would not want to post a set value in this message.

HW

[Redim]

Hi All:

- Pink Pantha is renovated and renamed Coco Lips. New owner. At first I heard rumors it was the original Australian owner who withdrew the lease and took control. Then I heard it was a korean new lease holder for the venue.

- Plenty of young ladies, friendly. They are happy to give you some attention after enticing them to approach with a smile or gesture, but tire of your flirtations if you are not prepared to buy an LD and will politely leave and rejoin their friends usually sitting in a large group on the opposite side of the room.

- It is the low (wet / monsoon / typhoon) season now, so fewer tourists, but still plenty of Koreans, more than last low season. Someone said that there is a new English school open in Puerto Galera, which may explain the uptrend of Koreans even in the wet season. And we all know the Koreans get special treatment in the bars especially with many girls exclusively reserved for the Koreans no matter how much a white guy may offer the mamasan. This is especially the case in the Korean owned bars. Even if you want to see the cute young girls, go early to the bar otherwise by 8pm, they have left with their 'guests'. .

- Hunting girls (freelances) are increasingly less common in Sabang. My last report suggested Broadway front bar (backbar is the girly bar) , and Big Apple. However, as a result of 'policing' and 'rules' by new town 'captain' (town mayor, who is also bar owner) , the freelances have been told they are not welcome. Of those who I know live here and ply their hunting trade, they must be seen to be associated with a male when out at night, otherwise they will get 'policed' by the mayor's patrolling watchmen.

I can speculate that the rationale is this:

A. The local mayor wants to more business for his bar.

Be. The other bar owners have lobbied (paid a gift) for this policy to reduce the leakage from their own girly bar business.

And why can this level of control and policing happen here? Because it is a small community / less bar competition / only a few powerful families / entities and can be more controlled than a larger semi-urban situation.

- Another observation. Up until recently it was not uncommon for a girl in the bar to be open minded to a little moonlighting during the day for some extra personal pocket money. But lately I think the bars have started to more forcefully enforce the existing rule about this practice. One of the girls told me that if they are caught or seen during the day visiting or sharing too much time with someone, then they face a 2K fine. I know one of the bars forbid the girls to leave their quarters during the day.

In summary, Sabang is still a worthwhile destination for a tourist, a few days or a week or two. Beer in the bars is way cheaper then AC. 50-70P and water is 50P.

Accommodation in low season can be found for 500P, give or take. Try Renaldo's or Sonny's.

Thur Afternoon summary:

Got a text from a girl who I have know for about 3 weeks. Invited her to my room a few times for an afternoon thingy. But she never responded. The first encounter / meeting 3 weeks prior was an invite to swim in the pool. All good, but after the swim she wanted 2000 to stay longer. I explained my budget was 500P. She politely rejected my offer.

The morning she sends me the text and says she is visiting my room. Arrives with 2 other friends, both cute. The have come expecting food, primarily because I had not stocked up on food lately. I did not oblige but offered ST alternative. They wanted a foursome, each offered a different service: BJ from one, pussy from another, anal from another. But what might be the budget? I did not ask. Heheheh. But I might consider for another occasional. And I did interview them to find out who might be the anal participant. Hehehe Plus one of the cutties is in need of a cell phone, so I offered to help her. She wants to visit me tomorrow to discuss the terms. Hehehe.

The one that I know from before, wanted to learn facebook, so there was my bargain chip. I then offered to teach her / set up account and in return, she gives me the ST for 500P. She agrees and BTW she was the anal contender (which I finger tested during the subsequent ST event, hehehe). So her price has become flexible since I first met here when she was asking 2K. Some times patience is required.

So now there is a 'happy ending' to this story.

Till next time.

[Messenger78]

Some info shortly from El Nido (Palawan) , was there in July 2011.

In El Nido you can find one disco called Asylum which is everyday full of local people and some western. About 20 girls working in the bar (serving drinks and chatting with customers) , you can barfine anyone of them and the price is usually 2000 peso / night (1500 girl / 500 bar). Some girls might ask more. 2500-3000 peso but you can discuss the price. Asylum is open 8pm. 2am, first couple of hours karaoke and then disco. It's more like a normal disco, not gogo place but yeah, you can barfine the bar girls. Couple of stunning girls working there.

[Titmouse]

It's beginning to look like the girl I had planned to take to Boracay in October is going to crap out. Not sure what's going on, but she has disappeared. And she's counting on me for college tuition. I suppose I should be worried, and I am a little, but my main problem now is a prepaid airfare and hotel reservation in Boracay.

There hasn't been a report for some time here. Anyone got up-to-date information on the scene on Boracay? What are my chances of finding some professional assistance for my problem? I saw a couple of references to a bar called Cocomangos (or something like that) where FL were available two years ago. I know the main advice is to bring your own, and I'm working on that, but just in case. Any suggestions?

[GregLondon]

It's beginning to look like the girl I had planned to take to Boracay in October is going to crap out. Not sure what's going on, but she has disappeared. And she's counting on me for college tuition. I suppose I should be worried, and I am a little, but my main problem now is a prepaid airfare and hotel reservation in Boracay.

There hasn't been a report for some time here. Anyone got up-to-date information on the scene on Boracay? What are my chances of finding some professional assistance for my problem? I saw a couple of references to a bar called Cocomangos (or something like that) where FL were available two years ago. I know the main advice is to bring your own, and I'm working on that, but just in case. Any suggestions?On both of my last trips to Boracay I took a couple of girls from Cebu so wasn't on the lookout. My impression was that there were a few girls who were potentially available, however they were mixing in with the crowds so it wasn't especially obvious who was and who wasn't available. As a rule of thumb limited supply (for most girls its too expensive a place to hang out) and high demand from guys who have gone there without a partner leads to high prices and indifferent quality. If you can sort out your existing date or find another (should be an easy sell, the issue is to be comfortable re compatibility.) , it would be much better.

[Tally Wacker]

Some info shortly from El Nido (Palawan) , was there in July 2011.

In El Nido you can find one disco called Asylum which is everyday full of local people and some western. About 20 girls working in the bar (serving drinks and chatting with customers) , you can barfine anyone of them and the price is usually 2000 peso / night (1500 girl / 500 bar). Some girls might ask more. 2500-3000 peso but you can discuss the price. Asylum is open 8pm. 2am, first couple of hours karaoke and then disco. It's more like a normal disco, not gogo place but yeah, you can barfine the bar girls. Couple of stunning girls working there.Thanks for the info on El Nido. I'm going back to Palawan soon.

[Devils 1]

It's beginning to look like the girl I had planned to take to Boracay in October is going to crap out. Not sure what's going on, but she has disappeared. And she's counting on me for college tuition. I suppose I should be worried, and I am a little, but my main problem now is a prepaid airfare and hotel reservation in Boracay.

There hasn't been a report for some time here. Anyone got up-to-date information on the scene on Boracay? What are my chances of finding some professional assistance for my problem? I saw a couple of references to a bar called Cocomangos (or something like that) where FL were available two years ago. I know the main advice is to bring your own, and I'm working on that, but just in case. Any suggestions?You are correct, Cocomangoes. Really the only place. Any trike driver can take you there.

[Irony Monger]

It's beginning to look like the girl I had planned to take to Boracay in October is going to crap out. Not sure what's going on, but she has disappeared. And she's counting on me for college tuition. I suppose I should be worried, and I am a little, but my main problem now is a prepaid airfare and hotel reservation in Boracay.

There hasn't been a report for some time here. Anyone got up-to-date information on the scene on Boracay? What are my chances of finding some professional assistance for my problem? I saw a couple of references to a bar called Cocomangos (or something like that) where FL were available two years ago. I know the main advice is to bring your own, and I'm working on that, but just in case. Any suggestions?I assume you are connecting from somewhere else in PI, probably Manila, right? If so, you can just stop by EDSA or MBC and find someone to accompany you with very little notice. How long is your trip?

[Sammon]

It's beginning to look like the girl I had planned to take to Boracay in October is going to crap out. Not sure what's going on, but she has disappeared. And she's counting on me for college tuition. I suppose I should be worried, and I am a little, but my main problem now is a prepaid airfare and hotel reservation in Boracay.

There hasn't been a report for some time here. Anyone got up-to-date information on the scene on Boracay? What are my chances of finding some professional assistance for my problem? I saw a couple of references to a bar called Cocomangos (or something like that) where FL were available two years ago. I know the main advice is to bring your own, and I'm working on that, but just in case. Any suggestions?Lots of these tickets are non-refundable. You can change the ticket to another person name and it might cost you some money to do it. Make sure you show them documents and prove that you paid for the ticket.

You can meet many girls in Manila and make a deal with them. Better make a deal with MBC girl. EDSA girls will definitely ask you to pay barfine for every day unless you can convince otherwise. They do not want to loose their only source of income. MBC girls may not be totally GFE as you envisioned going to Boracay with a normal girl. All mongers should never make plans for a romantic trip without meeting the girl, spending time with her etc.

Only after the chemistry is there plan on these trips. There is nothing worse than stuck with a non-co-operative companion in a romantic setting.

I think you should troll DIA for a quick fix. You never know.

[X Man]

DIA is one option. Been there done that.

I can suggest all kinds of alternatives for TitMouse, but a paid site could also be an option if you want a chance for better quality. Cherry blossom or Filipina heart?

My personal advice would be to skip Borocay. I've been there too, done that, probably won't go back.

X.


SNIP:

I think you should troll DIA for a quick fix. You never know.

[Irony Monger]

Been playing cat and mouse (ok, more like pussy and rat) with a DIA cutie for a while now who is living in Bacolod City. Looks like short cheap flights from Manila and google maps shows a few "beach resorts" there, but that could mean anything from a 5 star hotel on a pristine beach to a folding chair next to a sewer outlet. Anybody been there recently? Is it worth the trip? For more than the girl I mean, because otherwise I'll just tell her to be in Manila when I arrive if she wants to see me.

Yes, I read KingKong's report and others, so no need to repeat what was stated here http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=980908&highlight=Bacolod#post980908. Mostly I am trying to determine if it is a city worth visiting for non-mongering activities, as I would be with one girl for 2 nights or so (will tack a mongering location on either before or after).

[Soapy Smith]

All mongers should never make plans for a romantic trip without meeting the girl, spending time with her etc.

Only after the chemistry is there plan on these trips. There is nothing worse than stuck with a non-co-operative companion in a romantic setting.Excellent advice. A few years ago I plucked a diminutive lady out of LA Cafe who reported recently returning from Boracay. The guy had wanted to spend time swimming at the beach and getting out and about. She wasn't interested. Soon she was bored just hanging out in the cabin or hotel room and begged to fly back early. He paid extra to change her ticket and stayed a couple more days without her. She'd been bright and bubbly at the bar when she was looking to score a customer, but after spending an hour with her alone I knew she was not somebody I would have wanted to take to Boracay. Do your homework before heading off to the romantic getaway.

[X Man]

Never been there, but have considered it a few times. If interested in architecture, I believe there are some old mansion / museums in Silay, not far to the north.

The Bacolod / Silay airport is fairly new and has flights to Cebu City.

Sipilay to the south seems to be the place with best beaches on that side of the island. Of course Dumaguete and Apo Island are worth a visit on the opposite side (Negros Oriental). If you aren't into roughing it on the buses or van transports, talk to the taxi driver from the airport. Get his number.

Only two days? And your point of entry and exit is Manila? How long is the total trip? I think you'll get better information if you give us more information. Also, Thorn Tree of Lonely planet is good for detailed travel information about obscure places. X.


Been playing cat and mouse (ok, more like pussy and rat) with a DIA cutie for a while now who is living in Bacolod City. Looks like short cheap flights from Manila and google maps shows a few "beach resorts" there, but that could mean anything from a 5 star hotel on a pristine beach to a folding chair next to a sewer outlet. Anybody been there recently? Is it worth the trip? For more than the girl I mean, because otherwise I'll just tell her to be in Manila when I arrive if she wants to see me.

Yes, I read KingKong's report and others, so no need to repeat what was stated here.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1012-Other-Areas&p=980908&highlight=Bacolod#post980908

Mostly I am trying to determine if it is a city worth visiting for non-mongering activities, as I would be with one girl for 2 nights or so (will tack a mongering location on either before or after).

[GregLondon]

A slim 23 yr college girl I know in Puerto Princesa, Palawan I know is in urgent need of funds. She's funny, slim, quite tall, trustworthy and rather beautiful. She has had a baby but very few stretch marks. Ideally she needs someone who is coming to Palawan and looking for a paid companion / guide / gf. She is very open minded and bisexual so very happy with FFM threesomes (though it's not so easy to find another willing girl in Puerto). She has a laptop so can also discuss cam shows if you are not going to palwan in near future but needs to be confident that you will actually pay up. (She is very trustworthy so if you do pay up you will certainly get your show.)

PM me if interested

[Irony Monger]

Never been there, but have considered it a few times. If interested in architecture, I believe there are some old mansion / museums in Silay, not far to the north.

The Bacolod / Silay airport is fairly new and has flights to Cebu City.

Sipilay to the south seems to be the place with best beaches on that side of the island. Of course Dumaguete and Apo Island are worth a visit on the opposite side (Negros Oriental). If you aren't into roughing it on the buses or van transports, talk to the taxi driver from the airport. Get his number.

Only two days? And your point of entry and exit is Manila? How long is the total trip? I think you'll get better information if you give us more information. Also, Thorn Tree of Lonely planet is good for detailed travel information about obscure places. X.Thanks X, very helpful. I was only planning 2 days because if I don't hit it off with the girl in person I don't want to be stuck there. Yes, entry / exit would be Manila.

[Tmnb26]

Going to be in the Legazpi City area at the beginning of November. Haven't found any info about the area and was wondering if anyone has had any experience in this area.

[Joe Banana]

If the Pink Panther has changed hands in Sabang does anyone know if Alf is still around who ran it? A bit of a shame if Koreans have taken it over, a near monopoly situation is not good as they run many if the other bars too.

[X Man]

I used to scold people for this kind of empty post, but it just makes me more enemies. So, I will bend over backwards. The poster is asking about a city just to the south of the very beautiful Mayon Mtn, or Volcano. I have a few pictures of this mountain taken way back in 1980 that were published. And the Japanese need to back off when bragging about their UNIQUE cone shaped mtn. Fuji doens't even smoke!

As for "experience in this area" I once had a tribe of head hunters chase me up and down the mountain. I was pretty quick on my feet in those days and despite being chased to death I managed to shag about half of the local young gals, and some of their mothers too. Of course that was in 1946, so things have changed since then.


Going to be in the Legazpi City area at the beginning of November. Haven't found any info about the area and was wondering if anyone has had any experience in this area.

[Tmnb26]

I used to scold people for this kind of empty post, but it just makes me more enemies. So, I will bend over backwards. The poster is asking about a city just to the south of the very beautiful Mayon Mtn, or Volcano. I have a few pictures of this mountain taken way back in 1980 that were published. And the Japanese need to back off when bragging about their UNIQUE cone shaped mtn. Fuji doens't even smoke!

As for "experience in this area" I once had a tribe of head hunters chase me up and down the mountain. I was pretty quick on my feet in those days and despite being chased to death I managed to shag about half of the local young gals, and some of their mothers too. Of course that was in 1946, so things have changed since then.Well thank you for your "experience in this area!" I will have to stay away from the tribes. I was unaware when I posted that I was being so obtuse. What I should have asked was, since I have read many stories of triumph in different areas of the country, such as Manila and Cebu, and I have been unlucky to find any post about other monger's conquest in the little sleepy town of Legazpi City, and was wondering if there was any action to be found there? I would also like to know Is there an area such as the EDSA Entertainment Complex in this town?

I also would like to thank you, X Man, for the geography lesson. The main purpose of my trip is to see Mt Mayon up close and see for myself the wonders it holds. But when I am not brushing up on my geography and history, I like to participate in a little adventure I believe everyone who uses this site enjoys. So with that said, anyone else's experiences in this area would be greatly welcomed!

[X Man]

A search of Legaspi, nightlife brings up some info about bars and even a utube video of some live music. I'm at the office so not inclined to search too deeply for the good stuff.

[HenryV]

Anyone had any mongering experience here. Tried a search but it keeps directing me back to "other places" thread.

Thank you.

[Redman69]

Originally Posted by X Man.

I used to scold people for this kind of empty post, but it just makes me more enemies. So, I will bend over backwards. The poster is asking about a city just to the south of the very beautiful Mayon Mtn, or Volcano. I have a few pictures of this mountain taken way back in 1980 that were published. And the Japanese need to back off when bragging about their UNIQUE cone shaped mtn. Fuji doens't even smoke!

As for "experience in this area" I once had a tribe of head hunters chase me up and down the mountain. I was pretty quick on my feet in those days and despite being chased to death I managed to shag about half of the local young gals, and some of their mothers too. Of course that was in 1946, so things have changed since then.

Your my hero. To keep mom happy is hard. Grandpa said he only got two girls and was fightting the head hunters. I asked where the rest of the Sea Bees were. He said his wing man was busy. Now I know. Grandpa died before he got to those good storys. He did have two necklesses of gold teeth and some storys about thim teeth and a few flags with holes in them. X, grandpa is waiting for you with a deck of cards and some dewberry wine. You ole fart.

[HenryV]

Wow. If I had to guess this persons occupation I believe I would nail it with "low level bureaucrat."


Originally Posted by X Man.

I used to scold people for this kind of empty post, but it just makes me more enemies. So, I will bend over backwards. The poster is asking about a city just to the south of the very beautiful Mayon Mtn, or Volcano. I have a few pictures of this mountain taken way back in 1980 that were published. And the Japanese need to back off when bragging about their UNIQUE cone shaped mtn. Fuji doens't even smoke!

As for "experience in this area" I once had a tribe of head hunters chase me up and down the mountain. I was pretty quick on my feet in those days and despite being chased to death I managed to shag about half of the local young gals, and some of their mothers too. Of course that was in 1946, so things have changed since then.

Your my hero. To keep mom happy is hard. Grandpa said he only got two girls and was fightting the head hunters. I asked where the rest of the Sea Bees were. He said his wing man was busy. Now I know. Grandpa died before he got to those good storys. He did have two necklesses of gold teeth and some storys about thim teeth and a few flags with holes in them. X, grandpa is waiting for you with a deck of cards and some dewberry wine. You ole fart.

[Redman69]

Garndpa Dads side Operating engineer. Sea Bee.

Grandpa Moms side, Bum died on the street as a drunk.

Dad, Teamster, Steamfitter, Paint Contractor. Oh, yea at 15 a able seaman north atlantic.

As stated above. I am a friend of Bill Wilson, and a proud union electrician.

Yea you could say bureaucrat, Mom worked state department durring WW-2, Grandpa Sea Bee Pacific taken from Navy Yard DC. Dad able seaman Merchent Fleet. And I did 7 years working for the state. .90 cent a day. My clan only workes for the government when God says we got too.

[Jambo]

Anyone had any mongering experience here. Tried a search but it keeps directing me back to "other places" thread.There is a trick where you have to select "show reports" instead of "show threads". Also you could try to search for "cdo" which most people insist on using to refer to Cagayan de Oro city, but I do not belive 3 letters are searchable.

Considerate posters might spell out and then abbreviate (per Chicago Manual of Style) as in: "I was in Cagayan de Oro (CDO) last week."

I believe I have always done this, so you can enjoy my posts and miss the others, haha!

[Stroker Ace88]

Been playing cat and mouse (ok, more like pussy and rat) with a DIA cutie for a while now who is living in Bacolod City. Looks like short cheap flights from Manila and google maps shows a few "beach resorts" there, but that could mean anything from a 5 star hotel on a pristine beach to a folding chair next to a sewer outlet. Anybody been there recently? Is it worth the trip? For more than the girl I mean, because otherwise I'll just tell her to be in Manila when I arrive if she wants to see me.

Mostly I am trying to determine if it is a city worth visiting for non-mongering activities, as I would be with one girl for 2 nights or so (will tack a mongering location on either before or after).I have been to Bacolod City many times, my last visit was in April and I can provide you with an update.

If you are visiting Bacolod "For more than the girl" as you put it I would think twice. Bacolod is a smallish city and there is nothing to do there with the exception of visiting the SM mall close to the water or the usual Gaisano and Robinsons malls.

You could head to Lacson Street and walk around the park in front of the Museum and and feed the fresh water talapia. Vendors sell puffed rice in various colors for a few pesos. Many locals can be seen feeding the thousands of fish that are fattened up and netted on a regular basis to provide food for inmates in the Negros Jail. There is usually music playing in the park and sometimes you can catch the unusual and funny dance preformance of a LB that entertains the crowd in a ragged pink dress for a few pesos in tips. Think Vice Ganda mixed with Michael Jackson and add in a splash of Bigfoot and you get where this is going.

Bacolod does not have white sand beaches, and the closest will be a 3hr hired car drive from the city. So do not go there if you want nice beaches or resorts. I have stayed at Palmas Del mar, a resort very close to the center of Bacolod and it's located on the water. No beach but it does have a nice pool. A very basic place with low-flow shower heads so low-flow you will have to jump in the pool to properly rinse the leftover shampoo. The hotel food sucked and the hotel does not provide anything but a small travel sized bar of soap and no bottled water in the rooms.

As for hotels in Bacolod city I usually stay at L' Fisher on Lacson street. It is run-down and old by western standards and the price is expensive for a city in the Province but the location is good. The new addition of the roof-top pool is a plus and the bistro pool side serves good food with some excellent pizza baked in a wood fired oven on the roof top deck.

Bacolod does not have it's own airport, as the old Bacolod airport closed many years ago when the new one opened out in Silay. When you arrive at the airport there are no taxis waiting to pick you up. You will have to negaotiate with locals who use there SUV or cars as underground taxis. The going rate is 500p to the first part of Bacolod, and 600-700p for destinations on the other side of Bacolod. Many drivers will start at 1000p, so up to you how much you want to pay. You can walk outside the gate and find a V-hire that will take you into Bacolod and locals pay around 100p per person but if you have luggage you might have to pay double and most V-Hires will not leave until all 13 places are full. If you arrive in the rain prices will be increased.

Taxis from Bacolod are only allowed to drop off departing passengers and usually are never allowed to pick anyone up. This is so the local officials and OC all get there cut of your pesos. Just a tip but usually the driver will make small talk and ask you all sorts of seemingly harmless questions. The answers you provide can come back to bite you. IMHO give as little info as possible while still seeming like this is not your first time in Bacolod. When you exit the terminal you will be noticed right away and many people will track you and remember you during your stay. Bacolod might seem like a big enough city but it is a small place to the locals and you can avoid alot of trouble by keeping a low profile.

There are 15-20 gogo bars located in what is known locally as the "Goldenfields" area. You can barfine and take out but go early as all the best get picked quickly. These are bars for locals and when the few foreigners come in you will often not be viewed as a prize catch, but possibly pissing off her local clients who sit and buy lots and lots of LD's. Never barfined in Bacolod so can't comment on the service.

One word on the girls that can be found in Bacolod is, caution. From my personal experince most girls from Bacolod will say and agree to almost anything in chat before you meet. Most are just thrilled a foreigner will come to visit them they will tell you want you want to hear to get you to show up. Once you are there they will change there story and tell you they never agreed to go with you to the hotel. Most will just use the occasion to brag to friends and family and show off without any real intention to go to your hotel. Sure there are exceptions and again YMMV but I mention this just as a word of caution. Also I have found alot of scams originating from Bacolod girls, with the majority very skilled in playing mind games and I would not trust any of them as far as I can throw a Jollibee Yum burger. Once again YMMV.

Almost the whole month of October there will be Masskara festivities ongoing in Bacolod and the week of the major parades hotels will be fully booked and traffic will be one massive gridlock with many streets around the downtown area closed. Avoid Bacolod at this time if this is your first trip as all the girls you have lined up to meet will disappear or be busy with friends or family at Masskara and will flake on you.

[X Man]

Be aware that there is more than one place called Cagayan. I know of two, Cagayan valley at the northern part of Luzon and CDO in the NE part of Mindanao.

Others have guessed that you mean CDO, a nice city with some hanky panky, but if you are pulling a place name off of a gal's DIA profile, you may be on the opposite side of the country.

Info about CDO might also be found in the Davao thread or Dragon Slayer's private section. X.


Anyone had any mongering experience here. Tried a search but it keeps directing me back to "other places" thread.

Thank you.

[HenryV]

Thank you for a substantive response.


There is a trick where you have to select "show reports" instead of "show threads". Also you could try to search for "cdo" which most people insist on using to refer to Cagayan de Oro city, but I do not belive 3 letters are searchable.

Considerate posters might spell out and then abbreviate (per Chicago Manual of Style) as in: "I was in Cagayan de Oro (CDO) last week."

I believe I have always done this, so you can enjoy my posts and miss the others, haha!

[Red Kilt]

Anyone had any mongering experience here. Tried a search but it keeps directing me back to "other places" thread.

Thank you.I guess you realize that the northern-most province in Luzon is called Cagayan (the area often referred to as Cagayan Valley). People there are Ilokanos/Ilokanas. They have a reputation in the Phils of being good money managers (aka kuripot).

This province is not to be confused with the CITY of Cagayan de Oro (aka CdO) and rarely but sometimes just called Cagayan which is the major city in Region 10, Misamis Oriental, on the northern coastline of Mindanao.
If you mean CdO, scroll through back post on this thread and refer to posts here by either GoodEnough or Barba. Dragon Slayer has a fair bit to say about CdO on his thread too.

For mongering, there are lots of bars in CdO, but if you mean Cagayan Valley, you will be a bit disappointed with the local bars in the capital Tuguegarao and the small local bars in every small town throughout.

[HenryV]

Again, thank you and X-Man, gives me hope for this board.


I guess you realize that the northern-most province in Luzon is called Cagayan (the area often referred to as Cagayan Valley). People there are Ilokanos / Ilokanas. They have a reputation in the Phils of being good money managers (aka kuripot).

This province is not to be confused with the CITY of Cagayan de Oro (aka CdO) and rarely but sometimes just called Cagayan which is the major city in Region 10, Misamis Oriental, on the northern coastline of Mindanao.

If you mean CdO, scroll through back post on this thread and refer to posts here by either GoodEnough or Barba. Dragon Slayer has a fair bit to say about CdO on his thread too.

For mongering, there are lots of bars in CdO, but if you mean Cagayan Valley, you will be a bit disappointed with the local bars in the capital Tuguegarao and the small local bars in every small town throughout.

[Slippery]

Anybody have any general information about Naval, Biliran in the context of bars, restaurants, things to do? Given its size, I'm sure the female scene is quite limited but I will be closely guarded anyway so the girl scene isn't that important. Decent food and a safe bar are important. Are there even any expats in the area?

[Questor55]

Slippery, you are likely to be out of luck when it comes to bars and restaurants in Naval. I was there for a couple of days, two years ago.

Only half way decent restaurants are located a few klicks out of town in two resorts. It's a small town with very few foreigners in evidence.

A couple of bars frequented by locals only. Naval is typical of isolated, small town Philippines. We don't know the rules and don't know the

Local power structure. I would suggest keeping a low profile and watch your back if you are intent on sampling the night life there.

[FreebieFan]

I have been to Bacolod City many times, my last visit was in April and I can provide you with an update.

If you are visiting Bacolod "For more than the girl" as you put it I would think twice. Bacolod is a smallish city and there is nothing to do there with the exception of visiting the SM mall close to the water or the usual Gaisano and Robinsons malls.

You could head to Lacson Street and walk around the park in front of the Museum and and feed the fresh water talapia. Vendors sell puffed rice in various colors for a few pesos. Many locals can be seen feeding the thousands of fish that are fattened up and netted on a regular basis to provide food for inmates in the Negros Jail. There is usually music playing in the park and sometimes you can catch the unusual and funny dance preformance of a LB that entertains the crowd in a ragged pink dress for a few pesos in tips. Think Vice Ganda mixed with Michael Jackson and add in a splash of Bigfoot and you get where this is going.

Bacolod does not have white sand beaches, and the closest will be a 3hr hired car drive from the city. So do not go there if you want nice beaches or resorts. I have stayed at Palmas Del mar, a resort very close to the center of Bacolod and it's located on the water. No beach but it does have a nice pool. A very basic place with low-flow shower heads so low-flow you will have to jump in the pool to properly rinse the leftover shampoo. The hotel food sucked and the hotel does not provide anything but a small travel sized bar of soap and no bottled water in the rooms.

As for hotels in Bacolod city I usually stay at L' Fisher on Lacson street. It is run-down and old by western standards and the price is expensive for a city in the Province but the location is good. The new addition of the roof-top pool is a plus and the bistro pool side serves good food with some excellent pizza baked in a wood fired oven on the roof top deck.

Bacolod does not have it's own airport, as the old Bacolod airport closed many years ago when the new one opened out in Silay. When you arrive at the airport there are no taxis waiting to pick you up. You will have to negaotiate with locals who use there SUV or cars as underground taxis. The going rate is 500p to the first part of Bacolod, and 600-700p for destinations on the other side of Bacolod. Many drivers will start at 1000p, so up to you how much you want to pay. You can walk outside the gate and find a V-hire that will take you into Bacolod and locals pay around 100p per person but if you have luggage you might have to pay double and most V-Hires will not leave until all 13 places are full. If you arrive in the rain prices will be increased.

Taxis from Bacolod are only allowed to drop off departing passengers and usually are never allowed to pick anyone up. This is so the local officials and OC all get there cut of your pesos. Just a tip but usually the driver will make small talk and ask you all sorts of seemingly harmless questions. The answers you provide can come back to bite you. IMHO give as little info as possible while still seeming like this is not your first time in Bacolod. When you exit the terminal you will be noticed right away and many people will track you and remember you during your stay. Bacolod might seem like a big enough city but it is a small place to the locals and you can avoid alot of trouble by keeping a low profile.

There are 15-20 gogo bars located in what is known locally as the "Goldenfields" area. You can barfine and take out but go early as all the best get picked quickly. These are bars for locals and when the few foreigners come in you will often not be viewed as a prize catch, but possibly pissing off her local clients who sit and buy lots and lots of LD's. Never barfined in Bacolod so can't comment on the service.

One word on the girls that can be found in Bacolod is, caution. From my personal experince most girls from Bacolod will say and agree to almost anything in chat before you meet. Most are just thrilled a foreigner will come to visit them they will tell you want you want to hear to get you to show up. Once you are there they will change there story and tell you they never agreed to go with you to the hotel. Most will just use the occasion to brag to friends and family and show off without any real intention to go to your hotel. Sure there are exceptions and again YMMV but I mention this just as a word of caution. Also I have found alot of scams originating from Bacolod girls, with the majority very skilled in playing mind games and I would not trust any of them as far as I can throw a Jollibee Yum burger. Once again YMMV.

Almost the whole month of October there will be Masskara festivities ongoing in Bacolod and the week of the major parades hotels will be fully booked and traffic will be one massive gridlock with many streets around the downtown area closed. Avoid Bacolod at this time if this is your first trip as all the girls you have lined up to meet will disappear or be busy with friends or family at Masskara and will flake on you.Pretty in depth report. If I read that report on Trip Advisor then for sure I wouldn't go within 100 miles of the place. Anyways as we all know, theres pussy everywhere. Maybe the OP should get Ms Bacolod to fly to Manila.

[FreebieFan]

Slippery, you are likely to be out of luck when it comes to bars and restaurants in Naval. I was there for a couple of days, two years ago.

Only half way decent restaurants are located a few klicks out of town in two resorts. It's a small town with very few foreigners in evidence.

A couple of bars frequented by locals only. Naval is typical of isolated, small town Philippines. We don't know the rules and don't know the

Local power structure. I would suggest keeping a low profile and watch your back if you are intent on sampling the night life there.The hottest girl who ever worked in Rogues in P Burgos (real name Ann, can't remember stage name) came from Naval Biliran.

She was the girl you could find buck naked laid on the bar during the infamous Wine and Cheese parties there.

Oh the good old days. Now Ann is married having popped two kidlettes and theres no more Wine and Cheese parties at least in old format.

[Redim]

If the Pink Panther has changed hands in Sabang does anyone know if Alf is still around who ran it? A bit of a shame if Koreans have taken it over, a near monopoly situation is not good as they run many if the other bars too.Hi All:

I have been meaning to visit and post for the past 2 days to update on the latest big news for Sabang. 2 days ago, all bars raised their barfine prices from 2K to 3K. And beer / water from 60P to 80P. I guess the drinks are cheaper than Pampanga, but now the BF is same same or higher compared to some bars in Angeles.

So, if you are planning a trip to Sabang, it better be for the diving and not necessarily for the bar action.

The word on the street is that the Korean bar owners are responsible for the price hike. Sabang Disco has been Korean for a while, but recently a Korean took a new lease on Broadway bars and some say he overpaid the lease at 500K per month commitment and is struggling. He pressured the local barangay captain, who is also a bar owner, to raise the price. And of course all other bar owners must follow the trend.

Sabang is a very small community and so can be tightly controlled by the Barangay captain in terms of controlling the sex business. For example, the Barangay captain about 6 months ago banned 'hunting' girls, freelances from Sabang. He employs night patrolers to police this ban so the freelancers do not attempt to earn some food money. This ensures that the foreigners will visit his and other bars for their jollies after dark.

The PH owner of Las Vegas is not happy about the BF price hike because now noone is taking barfines. All will suffer now, the bar owners, the girls, the mamas because white foreigners will not pay 3K for service that is barely worth 500P hehehe.

In the 2. 5 years I've been in Sabang, the Korean business and visitor numbers have increased. They are the only investors here, building more accommodation facilities and establishing food businesses.

Regarding Pink Pantha. It has been replaced by Coco Lips and is still a useless small bar, overpriced drinks. It does not matter if you are young and handsome or fat and old, the girls will give you 10mins of chat and if no LD is given, they will retreat into the corner to talk to their friends leaving you alone for the remainder of your stay in the bar.

The word is the Australian owner of the lease evicted Alf and has decided to run the new bar himself. Alf relocated Pink Panta up the hill in Senentigan and tried to persuade people to visit there but with no success. I do not know the final result of Alf's move.

In conclusion, unless you bring your own girl company, expect the now 3K BF prices; few freelance opportunities (in fact even Big Apple is lean of freelances these days) ; higher drinks prices.

P. S. I had a cash rich English friend here for about a week. He made a BF each night while the price was 2K and each morning over coffee he would relay his experiences. Each BF gir was a headache in one way or another. Either they forced him to wait till mid night before leaving with him because they must finish their 3 set dance routine and then complain to him that they are too tired for the bombom business. Or after the first bombom, give some rubbish story about having to go home. Or making promises about the morning glory bombom and then changing their minds etc etc.

I have never paid a BF and I have to say. 80% of the ST experiences are barely worth 500P let alone 2K and now 3K.

Having said that, I did have a sweet visitor today. New arrival, never did the business with a white guy before. She said she will never forget me, heheheh. I negotiated a package: 2 visits for 1K and will see her again on Monday. This experience confirms my thinking to give up on the bargirls and focus attention on regular girls in other normal locations, not Sabang. Heheheh.

I think I have been in PH too long. Hehehe. Or I am only now getting a firmer grasp on the reality of the situation in Sabang at least.

Peace out