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Originally posted by TheContinental
BlackCat:
I don't deny what you said.But when your compnay pais for these trips, how can one go to Bangkok. It's not in the teritory I deal.But i will visit there soon.Holy Cow 350,000? I was trying t figure that out with regrads to, say, Thailand.
In Bkk, the top-flight girls at Spazo and Rivas and Cm2, some at the Hard Rock, look for about B4000-5000/night. Considering Thailand has a per Capita GNP about five times less than Korea, that would be B20,000-25,000 in Korea? Or about $500-600.
So, although that W350,000 seems like a lot, in comparison I guess you made out OK.
But, I suppose you then would have to adjust it for average expat income. Teachers in Bkk get (guessing) between $750-1000/month on average. In Korea it's about $2000/month on average. So, with regards to that, it seems maybe you over paid a bit.
But, what about non-ESL expat professionals? I would dare say those in Bkk get more in Seoul than in Bkk, so maybe you got a bargain.
I personally would not have bothered. Although, I find it interesting that so many girls are available outside the RLDs nowadays (CRQ, on-line in general, discos). Considering the rapidly increasing materialism in Korea, I wonder if that scene could one day soon be more prolific than RLDs.
seems to me that korean/americans should not worry about anything!!!
even if they cant speak korean they will get any girl they want!
I have seen hot *****s pick retarded koreans and I mean retarded also old people like 60's 70's and wont even look at a foreigner 22 years old and handsome..
I think korean/americans should not even post on this board and tell us how great their experience was at YJG or Miari or where ever else they DONT TAKE FOREIGNERS!!
I think koreans or korean/americans need to post positive post and information on places they will take us..
I mean korean/americans just come to korea! you can get laid anywhere!!!
its us non asian or non korean foreigners that need the info !
Originally posted by seoulman
I think Korean Americans should not even post on this board and tell us how great their experience was at YJG or Miari or where ever else they DONT TAKE FOREIGNERS!!
I think Koreans or Korean Americans need to post positive post and information on places they will take us.
Seoulman, you seem very fustrated, you need to relax and get laid now. Have you stopped mongering, if you have you need to start and relax. I post in this board to help everyone out, man talk about self-centered. ;) you think only non-Asians and non-Koreans that read this board. Everyone needs the info here or they wouldn't be coming here. Posting about places that don't take foreigners might be fustrating but at least you know about the place and can take a crack at it. Even places like YJG and 588 that aren't foreigner friendly do take foreigners sometimes according to posts here, so wouldn't you rather know about them. I would think ALL info is good info.
Maybe you should ask some of you're English speaking Korean friends to help you out. Even the people here, like myself.
Originally posted by seoulman
I think Koreans or Korean Americans need to post positive post and information on places they will take us..
I would but kinda hard since I won't know if they take non-Koreans or not when I go there. Plus even if I ask I'm sure most places would deny it to me but still take foreigners, so you don't want misinformation.
Good luck man, and to everyone else.
Mool
Biz card size with girl's pic: They are every where in Seoul on cars windows. You call and they send you a girl but not the girl on the card. They look about average but no stunners. The going price is about 100,000 to 130,000. They would show up in an hour after you called. The service is not gfe so don't expect too much.
Room Salon Girls: I had the pleasure of seeing about half dozen room salon girls after drinking at their establishment with clients in Seoul. I paid 300,000 each time for a girl but before I take them out, I make sure that the girl stays no less than 3 hours or sleep in until the morning. So far, I have not been ripped off perhaps only because the host (my client) has taken me to his regular room salon places and mamasan or owner knows him well so they are perhaps told to treat me as vip.
FInkle: On my next visit to Seoul, I hope to frequent Finkle near the Starbucks after reading about the hobbiests' reviews here. I have visited other barber shops with varying experiences from handjob to blow job (she spitted out) to full service. Hinging on the service you get, the prices were 60,000 to 90,000 with 20,000 tip.
Turkish bath: I have only gone to one place in a hotel (I think the name is Green Grass?) and someone here had said this place has closed down. What a pity!
Coffeeshops: Where in Seoul can I get some coffee deliver to my hotel and get service by a young girl? Does anyone know?
Seoul Blade
07-09-03, 18:32
Moolman:
Dude, I really don't get what you're saying. I would actually be GLAD if YJG was more foreigner-friendly but it's not. I'm not a Korean so why the heck would I try to keep the place 'non-Korean-free' like you say? I'm just quite pissed by my past experiences in the place and am trying to warn other people who might plan to take the trip there. And my opinion is that it ain't worth it.
As for nico, I'm interested in hearing what kind of girl he ended up with while there. Maybe his luck had to do with his looks as he's probably closer to 'Korean looking' than I. LOL.
Love Taipei
07-10-03, 02:14
Seoulman:
You should lighten up. I am not Korean or Korean American but don't blame them for reporting reality.
The fact of the matter is that the best places in Korea are the places where foreigners don't go. It is the place guys like us go with a Korean and then after demonstrating oursleves can go on our own.
Foreigners have turned Itaewon into a cest pool, the worst place in Korea with every slime bag in country hanging there.
I suggest that you spend a bit more per visit to improve the quality over quantity.
TheContinental
07-10-03, 03:09
Originally posted by Love Taipei
Seoulman:
You should lighten up. I am not Korean or Korean American but don't blame them for reporting reality.
The fact of the matter is that the best places in Korea are the places where foreigners don't go. It is the place guys like us go with a Korean and then after demonstrating oursleves can go on our own.
Foreigners have turned Itaewon into a cest pool, the worst place in Korea with every slime bag in country hanging there.
I suggest that you spend a bit more per visit to improve the quality over quantity. Actually, Itaewan is much worse now than it ever used to be. Remember, those girliebars, especially those on the bottom end of hooker hill NEVER used to be there. They are recent additions, as are the girlie bars on the street at the top of HH that connects it to Fags's Way (which parallels HH).
Also, there used to be a lot more discos open, and prior to the 1990s Korean college students thought Itaewan was a good place to go.
Further, the number of non-white foreigners (3d workers) has increased a whole lot only in the last few years as rents in other parts of Seoul (needlessly) rose dramatically. Strangely, the crime rate has also increased in that period in Itaewan.
The decay of Itaewan is a result of: The rise of other night areas; the loss of a Korean crowd; the increase in 3-d workers and crime; the lack of investment by local businesses;the inability for those businesses to compete with other markets; a drop in the foreign population in Itaewan; the anti-foreign mentality that has grown among Koreans as a result of both perceived insults by foreigners, increased prestige abroad and thus an increase in the idea that Koreans are "superior" to foreigners.
Seoul Blade
07-10-03, 10:29
Seoulman:
Don't worry so much about that bro. The Koreans shouldn't have problems anyway since this is their original homeland. So you gotta expect them to be able to have their way with their own women :) Frankly, i kinda enjoy their posts.
D
But anyway, it's like going to a place like Paris or Amsterdam, I'm sure the Korean guys would feel the same way you're feeling if they go to Europe and try to bang a hot chick there (although I gotta admit that the girls in Europe don't really discriminate as much as the girls in Korea do)
Just enjoy yourself and take whatever comes along.
*sigh* I sure miss Amsterdam. The girls there never gave me any problems :)
TheContinental,
To reply to your post, I have tried adultfriendfinder.com and had some good luck there with Korean gals, but I haven't tried koreafriendfinder.com. I suspect this sight is more for locating the consummate GFE. Another sight that is good if you are looking to hook up for the real thing is match.com (they have an international arena too). All these mentioned are pay sites. Good luck.
C.
I have to admit I was briefly sketched by the Korean only dialogue, but I think Love Taipei may be right (especially about Itaewon: what a shithole). We "long noses" represent--especially in these last 50+ years--a type of infiltration threat to a non-pluralist society. This culture is 5,000 years old; with this much history, we can expect some ethnocentricity on the part of Koreans. No matter how long a white person stays in Korea, this person will never be a Korean. I, for one, can live with that. On the topic of enthnocentricity meets pussy, I have been happy with the hobbying that I have found in the Seoul Metro area. I wouldn't think to go to the outskirts for the upskirts.
Seoul Brother, I am eager to know more about your experiences near Omokgyo. Please give directions if you are willing to share.
Can anyone suggest the best hang outs in Hong dae for meeting gals?
No dude.. that facts are.. even if you go with a korean you will be turned away! doesnt matter if you offer to pay triple!
rdlight districts anyway of course miari you can get laid and the other places are possible are right times with right girls but usually NO!!
fact is we are looked down on! man a choosy *****!
I cant believe it what is this world coming to!
they dont want to be degraded by doing a foreigner!!
HELLO they are hookers!!
roomsalons and other establishments if you are with a korean who is a regular then you should be treated ok..
their are places where we do get treated fairly..
I am saying why bother reporting a place where you know they will not take foreigners!!?
Itaewon? hahhhaa yes it is a cest pool..
just when I hear comments from korean americans saying ohh man I had no problems when I went to 588 or YJG.OF course you didnt you are KOREAN! thats what I mean.. I want to hear positive post about places where foreigners have been and been laid or pick up places from freelancers!!!
still 350.000 for short time??? OUCH!!
like the ritz carlton hang out there near the 7-11 or just walk around at night you will be approached by pimps! thats always good remember to BARTER people!!
I guess my previous post to seoulman was censored or something because it's not showing up.
It wasn't censored, you just didn't give me time to review it.
Jackson
Anyway, my main point is that this forum is for everybody, not just non-Koreans. So posting about places that don't take non-Koreans should be encouraged because there's plenty of Korean-Americans, Korean-?, or Asians looking for action. They should be directed to the best places. Let's not be selfish here, just ignore the posts that don't pretain to you and move on. The extra info about all the places help.
Mool
Just because someone is a hooker, doesn't mean they can't choose who to sleep with. Being a hooker doesn't mean you have to do whoevers got cash. I know some may go to brothels where the girls are forced there and must sleep with every guy that comes in the door. But let's not support those places.
At least give hookers some respect, maybe not much since they sell their bodies but they are people. Hell, we suck more for buying. :)
Mool
TheContinental
07-11-03, 04:14
Originally posted by seoulman
just when I hear comments from korean americans saying ohh man I had no problems when I went to 588 or YJG.OF course you didnt you are KOREAN! thats what I mean.. I want to hear positive post about places where foreigners have been and been laid or pick up places from freelancers!!!
Well, I posted some comments about the reason Itaewan has become a "cesspool."
So, you want places where you can pick up ladies. A sure thing for ANYBODY is a old time dance hall (suddenly I forget what they are called.) This is where many divorcess dance the night away to the waltz and other slow dance tunes. beware: they are very good dancers! One at every subway stop, practically, even in Chongrangri.
Other places you r SURE to get a prostitute: In between Chongrangri and Chegi-dong subway stops is a RLD full of old 'hos. Direction: Get off at Chegi-dong Subway, start walking toward Chongrangri on the main street, turn right at the first main road, walk 7-8 minutes to the first 4-way. The mamasans will find you.
Originally posted by seoulman
...I am saying why bother reporting a place where you know they will not take foreigners!!?
[/i]Seoulman - I think Jackson intended this forum intended for ANYONE who seeks information on our little hobby, regardelss of whether that person is an expat, Korean-American, or a "regular" Korean who speaks our language and wants to expand his reaches or contribute to ours.
You are correct, this is an equal opportunity website.
Jackson
Seoul Blade
07-11-03, 13:46
Just a quick question: which clinic or hospital in Seoul do you guys usually go for a regular checkup? I'm sorry if it may seem a bit strange to be posting this on this thread, but I was just curious and wanted to know of a place a foreigner could go to just in case anything might happen.
The last time I had a blood test was when I was in the States last year and my results were totally clean, and from the time I was here I have always practiced safe sex, but I would just like to know of a place I can check my blood on a regular basis...is there any place a foreigner could go? If so, where, and how much? Can you test anonymously or must you disclose your personal info to them?
Thanks in advance (Jackson, please post this).
Sorry Jackson, I thought something was wrong since you usually only take a day before posting.
Anyway, I got a field report from a friend on Bop Won Ri, the RLD next to YJG. They still have the schoolgirl fetish house, it's on the main road there. BWR is the easiest to find since you can see it on the main road. As your going to find YJG, you'll most likely find BWR because YJG is kinda hidden from the road and the YJG is kinda on a side road. BWR is on the main road to North Korea. When you come to a T in the road, where you make a 90 degree left or right, you went to far.
I don't know if this is typical BWR service, BWR is a little smaller than YJG. Lately, I'm told the girls don't hassle you as much and grab you. I hated that because your clothes get messed up. I ruined a nice polo shirt that way. I think the cops are clamping down on that kind of behavior. The only good part about it was getting a good FEEL for each girl before you choose. I don't really care for it, cause I have a specific look in a girl I look for. BWR has the typical big neon signs everywhere about half of the houses were closed. But that's with YJG too. In BWR there seems to be more single girls, like 1 or 2 girls per house instead of like a whole gang of them in each one together. Maybe better since it's more personal. In BWR the service was average, maybe it was just the girl but it was just straight sex, with not much massaging, licking, and no rim job. I'm guessing it was the girl though. The quality in terms of looks is very good overall. Not many fat girls, most were in the 7-10 range. Just an ok experience. Of course the same no condom policy.
All these places take Credit Card of course, I wonder how they stop people from denying the charges afterwards, like saying that the card was stolen. I'm guessing if you do it, there might be a mafia guy after you or something.
I think the best approach when haggling with the girls is to just straight out ask them, if they will give you good service. If you make them promise to give you good service, they seem to do a better job to keep that promise. I know this sounds retarded but maybe something about promises. Just don't pick a girl and go for it.
I'm working on the driving directions to YJG, kinda hard because of the crappy map system in Korea, not a detailed as the Thomas Guide and hard to use because of the messed up address system.
Mool
NY Yankees
07-12-03, 07:01
Originally posted by Moolman
Just because someone is a hooker, doesn't mean they can't choose who to sleep with. Being a hooker doesn't mean you have to do whoevers got cash. I know some may go to brothels where the girls are forced there and must sleep with every guy that comes in the door. But let's not support those places.
At least give hookers some respect, maybe not much since they sell their bodies but they are people. Hell, we suck more for buying. :)
Mool
Couldn't agree more. Let's not discriminate people based on job status or gender. I've heard many stories and seen stuff in these RLDs where the girls are treated like shit. It really gets me angry to see how disrespectful some guys are towards these women.
Secondly, I'm a korean who didn't know jack about the sex industry in korea till I've read the WSG(lived almost all my life away from korea). This should be a forum for all, not just for non-koreans. If you happen to visit the Malaysian section, almost all members are locals who at times(but seldom) post in their native language. Do I have the right to tell them not to do that? Anyway, I've been to KL and some of the girls, knowing that I'm a foreigner have tried to rip money off by being way way unreasonable. Point is, if you are a foreigner you'll never have it easy as the locals wherever you are.
NY Yankees
07-12-03, 07:11
Originally posted by seoulman
fact is we are looked down on! man a choosy *****!
I cant believe it what is this world coming to!
Welcome to the real world!!!!So what if you have been looked down. I've encountered racism all my life. I'm not a racist but honestly, Caucasians have it easier than us asian or blacks or hispanics. Please don't tell me you guys have it hard... Do you know what it feels like being an asian living in Schenectady? Or be referred to as "chino" by unruly teenage punks on the streets.? Man I can tell you stories after stories....
As chris rock once said "If you are white, the sky is the limit, if you are black, they limit the sky!!!"
The world ain't coming into anything. Don't expect everything to be given to you on a silver plate.
New World Order
07-12-03, 15:43
Greetings gentlemen :)
Sorry for my late reply.
Since it is hard for non-Koreans to get service from working girls, I will try my best and provide as much info as possible.
1. If you are teaching English, hit on a student. I used to work at a Language Institute and I have seen my non-Korean co-workers get laid with their students. Some students are very open-minded and are willing to explore.
2. Itaewon: Don't go to the massage parlors or the RLD. They not only rip you off, but also have bad quality service! Visit the clubs there. The Korean girls that go to the clubs are easy and sl*tty. So it should be an easy task.
3. If you are white, just tell the girls that you are Dutch!
Hiddink (the former Korean Soccer Coach) is a legend and god in this country. So if you say that you are Dutch, it is worth a shot. Just mumble anything and they will believe that you are speaking in Dutch. Just add a little British accent into it. :)
4. The odds will increase at a RLD if you bring a Korean friend with you. I took a Canadian friend of mine to 588 and it was successful. But he had to pay 90,000 won. I told her that he was Dutch.
5. Next to the Renaissance Hotel (in southern Seoul) are a lot of massage parlors. My non-Korean friends have told me that they have been successful with ease.
6. If you are a non-Korean and you plan on going to YJG "without" a Korean friend, then DON'T! There are many Korean troops there and they will give you this dirty look and call you names, I had to break up an argument between American and Korean troops and it was not a pretty sight.
Afterwards, I tried to get the American troop into one of the wh*re houses but they said no.
I told her, "My god, this dude is helping keep peace in Korea, he's away from his family and friends and you still won't do him?" "Cut us some slack, he is willing to pay you 100,000." The girl still said no.
I'm sorry but this is all the info that I can provide. If I know any more, I will post the.
Hey Mool, I like your idea of a trip to YJG. :)
I'm in the States on business. I shall return to Korea within two weeks.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Wicked Willie
07-12-03, 23:50
Lord - decided to go to Shinyoungsan RDL Sunday AM at around 5:30am to see what nice girls might be left out after Saturday night. Never seen so many OLD ajama's in my life. After about 3 times around the B & C rows (A row offlimits to non-koreans) found a nice b+ for W60,000. Not to bad, BBBJ and a nice lap ride till done.
But nothing campared to Finkle - guess that will be my home away from home now.
WW
SeoulBlade:
Sorry man, I thought you were Korean trying to discourage guys from going there. I'm going to try to get my white friend some service at YJG, that's my goal this year..haha.. and I'll report back if it works. Maybe I'll try to say he's Dutch like others suggested and make him speak in an accent. :)
Anyway, I'm off on a surprise business trip and I will be in Seoul and Manila from 7/15/03 and 7/18/03. I may try some mongering depending on the schedule. Korea for sure but lately I've been having second thoughts about Manila because of some things that happened last time.
Drop me a line if anybody is in Seoul or Manila during that time.
gold123@email.com
I'll post my adventures in Seoul if I have any.
Good luck all.
Mool
Seoul Blade,
Do NOT have an HIV test done here, because if (God forbid) you are a foreigner and test +, the clinic is by law required to report it IMMEDIATELY. You will then be picked up by NIS for retesting, followed by a period of investigation into your sexual life in order to establish a list of other individuals you exposed. During this time you will be detained /"quarantined."
At the end of the process you will be deported.
The above info is from a MD friend of mine who runs the ICU at a major Seoul hospital.
Obviously the govt does not publicize this approach as it would defeat the purpose of their immediate containment doctrine.
As draconian as this approach is, it appears to work (at least to a certain degree). Taking Korea's official HIV stats, and even multiplying them by 5 in order to negate the govt. bullshit factor and error margins, Korea's incidence rate is liliputian.
(Isn't our beloved moderator in medicine? J, if ya read this feel free to add any thoughts)
Wicked Willie
07-14-03, 01:32
Originally posted by SeoulSurvivor
I am doing my best to share information. Based on these descriptions I present the following Monger's Guide to FinKL:
"Swastika": So-Yeon (appearance 9, service 9)
"Short, ringletty hair": Byeol-i ("Star") (appearance 6.5, service 11)
[Went to Finkel this morning (Monday) at 2am - figured it would quiet and easy - got Byeol-i - not as good a service as So-Yeon. Where So-Yeon is a GFE, Byeol-i was more mechanical. Great BBBJ and kept at it, but was strictly wanting me to "get to it" when the main event started.
I would rate looks at a 6 and service around a 7, But So-Yeon, looks 9 service 11.
WW
This is a short report!
Went to Seoul and stayed in Ritz Carlton. Called for massage service in my room and the receptionist asked if i wanted a guy or a girl (WTF??) Ofcourse I wanted a girl!
Then, she said it costs 33000 for 30 mins and I thought it meant a korean beauty will turn up but an old 60 or 60+ turned up. I didnt want to open the door after having checked her thru the door. Anyway, let her in and her massage was as bad as her age and looks. She was saying something like 'young girl' 'young girl' and pointed her finger to her phone and I let her talk to someone and she said something like 'a young girl's going to turn up' and after 10 mins a slightly younger woman turned up. Although, she looked good but I wasn't purely looking for a massage.
I let the old lady go and as soon as we shut the door, the girl asked me to take off my kimono and I lay there naked on the bed she covered just my ass with a cloth and started giving me a good massage. I was hoping to ask her for action but she told me that she was 35 (with her fingers) and asked me 'you american' ?? with a great smile!! LoL
Of course, I'm not American!
Anyway, she continued the massage but I was in no mood to ask if she did anything more and just let her go.
Btw, they provide a laptop with internet in each hotel room and the first thing that the laptop will show up on the screen is links to korean porno Pay sites.
Checked one such site but it was crap! just like a XXX movie and not really hardcore!
Will post more details later!
Happy hunting :)
TheContinental
07-14-03, 16:32
Originally posted by NY Yankees
This should be a forum for all, not just for non-koreans. If you happen to visit the Malaysian section, almost all members are locals who at times(but seldom) post in their native language. Do I have the right to tell them not to do that? . Reminds me of when I first arrived in Korea, and everybody told me that Korean women were all virgins until married (I beleived them for a while).
As far as language is concerned, my vote would be: English should be the language of choice. If you want to post in Malaysian, wouldn't a Malaysian site be better? What is the point?
NY YANKEES: Let's get off the victimization trip. Everybody knows that Asians in the US have twice the number of college grads per capita; have a higher family income than all other ethnicities per capita; have higher % of managers and professiuonals per capita; have higher % of high school grads per capita. My sources? New York Times, 10/14/02, Journal of Statistics, Summer 2002. By the way, life is not supposed to be easy.
Assetman: Why is that procedure concerning tracking down AIDS positive partners so bad? We are not talking about the common cold, but a world-wide epidemic. Also, considering that WHO has siad China is about to ahve an AIDS disaster of huge proportions I think only re-enforces Korea's policy (per your last post).
Last I will post about any of the above.
New World Order,
MP around the Renaissance Hotel, are you talking Barber Shops or Turkish Bath? I stay at the Renaissance Hotel on my trip to Seoul, I have not seen to much action around Renaissance.
New World Order
07-14-03, 18:15
Originally posted by jimhart69
New World Order,
MP around the Renaissance Hotel, are you talking Barber Shops or Turkish Bath? I stay at the Renaissance Hotel on my trip to Seoul, I have not seen to much action around Renaissance. Greetings jimhart69 :)
I was referring to turkish baths.
There are several places.
Direction to the places.
1. Stand in front of the main entrance (that faces the main road; Taehang-Ro). If you look to your right, you will see a small alley,....go there. Then. take a right and walk up that alley for about 40 meters (I'm not sure how much it is in feet.)
2. While walking up the hill, look to your left and you will see another small alley,.....go there. On both sides of the alley, are many motels (which are around 5--10 stories high). These motels will have signs reading "¾È¸¶" which means massage.
I will ask my name to tell me the name of the place where he goes to.
It is at the very end (and the right side) of the alley. Go in and you will see a shoe shine guy (he shines your shoes for free) and you will see two mamasans. One has long and curly hair. She is tall and thin. Just tell her that your Korean friend introduced you to her. Tell her that two of your co-workers who are Japanese and Italian also recommended the place.
The cost is 180,000 won (cash) and 190,000 won (credit card) for both Koreans and non-Koreans.
You will be escorted to a room by one of the mamasans while she grabs your hand (I have no f*ckin idea why they would grab our hands LOL ). You take your clothes off and put on a gown (I do not know what they call it in English). A blind lady walks in and gives you a massage for about 20 minutes.
Then you will be escorted to the shower room and the mamasan grabs your hand again. She should be grabbing something else. LOL :)
Your date walks in and gives you a shower, and then f*cks your brains out.
Personally, I think it is not worth 180,000 won. I would rather go to Pinkle and spend half the amount.
As for you non-Koreans, there are many open-minded Korean girls who would love to date non-Koreans!!! Go to places like HongDae and Itaewon. All the sl*tty girls go to Itaewon. If you are looking for a girlfriend, go to Hongdae. If you want a sex partner, then go to Itaewon.
I hope this info helps you all.
Sincerely,
New World Order
P.S. Somebody posted a report about Seo Yeon from Pinkle. That girl does scream and yell~~~ :)
Sorry for the late post but I have been busy. I went to the Finkle 11 Jul on my way back from Asan Medical Center since it was on the way. Now I had been there a week before and asked for So-Hyun but she was gone. I was kinda hoping she would be gone again so I could spend my money elsewhere, but to my suprise she was there and available. Now I must say IMHO So-Hyun has the best body and is the best looking one there. I made some small talk with her and then asked to see the tatoo to make sure it was her. She then gave me a decent massage and then led me to the upstairs shower and small room. All I can say is that she has to be the best one there at what she does. If you have never experienced her you are truly missing out. When I go there from now on if she's not there I will leave. She does things that are amazing. Though I did find it odd the ajuma asked for more money than the $100.00 US I gave her. I don't know if it's because they have more customers or what. Has this happened to anyone else?
NY Yankees
07-15-03, 04:34
Originally posted by TheContinental
As far as language is concerned, my vote would be: English should be the language of choice. If you want to post in Malaysian, wouldn't a Malaysian site be better? What is the point?
NY YANKEES: Let's get off the victimization trip. Everybody knows that Asians in the US have twice the number of college grads per capita; have a higher family income than all other ethnicities per capita; have higher % of managers and professiuonals per capita; have higher % of high school grads per capita. My sources? New York Times, 10/14/02, Journal of Statistics, Summer 2002. By the way, life is not supposed to be easy.
I see your point in all and I'm not disputing any of it. Infact, I do agree with almost everything that you have mentioned. However, my point is, if I told them to translate what they meant in english, they will kindly do so, but if I told them straight out not to post in their native language, they'll tell me to go **** myself... Point is, if you are nice and polite and not demanding like it is expected, everything will be pretty much vice versa.
I know we asians are the "token overachievers" but sometimes having status and money isn't everything. I never did say life was easy anyway. Like what Mastercard says "There are things money can't buy" One main reason asian families have all these higher capitas? 'Cause they are sick of being victimised and want to climb up the ladder. But do all these necessarily bring you equality? I hope it does and do wish that it will be so, but we all live in the real world...
As there is a saying some people will see a glass of water and see that it is half empty and others half full, so let's put all our differences aside and get back to what is important. Chicks...
New World Order
07-15-03, 05:12
Originally posted by nico
Now I had been there a week before and asked for So-Hyun but she was gone.
Though I did find it odd the ajuma asked for more money than the $100.00 US I gave her. I don't know if it's because they have more customers or what. Has this happened to anyone else? Greetings nico :)
So Hyun was gone that day because the working girls get a day off (only once a month!!!) Besides, she is probably on her period. LOL :)
That stupid mamasan is trying to rip us guys again. Tell her that $1 = 1150 won. Therefore, you are giving her 115000 won instead of 90,000 won.
Next time, just give her 80 dollars.
Or go to any Korean bank and exchange your dollars into Korean won. All you need is an ID and there is no fee.
I am currently on a business trip to Minneapolis. I went to Mall of America. I heard that this is the 2nd largest mall in the world!!!
New World Order,
Where is Finkle?
What is the best way to get there?
In Itaewon, what is the best place to hang out for some fun?
I lived in Seoul from 84 thru 93, knew the place to have fun, but now I get to Seoul twice a year, and I am lost. The scene has change so much. I am looking to have some fun on my fall trip, and I am wondering where to go for some fun? Any ideas?
hello s. korean board.
first and foremost, i wanted to thank a good number of you guys for providing such insightful information for fellow johns looking to hobby in s. korea. i have gained invaluable information, and actually reached out to a number of you via backchannel emails (mine is mpleasuresn@hotmail.com).
i will be in korea towards the end of july on business, and i wanted to do all my homework before i touch down in my motherland. i have been in the hobby a number of years, and although i do not post as frequently anymore, i have legitimate posts in the nyc - manhattan board a number of months back.
i would love to hear what some of you can recommend. i would like to sample a wide variety of women, but mainly would be interested in upscale providers or nice bath houses. at this point, i will be traveling alone, and would probably rule out meeting non-pros at the clubs (although this would prob be most enjoyable). so, if anyone can provide me with help, it would be appreciated. you can hit me on this board or at my email address listed above.
thanks for making this forum such a wealth of info.
let the peoples feast!
New World Order
07-15-03, 19:27
Originally posted by jimhart69
New World Order,
Where is Finkle?
What is the best way to get there?
In Itaewon, what is the best place to hang out for some fun?
I lived in Seoul from 84 thru 93, knew the place to have fun, but now I get to Seoul twice a year, and I am lost. The scene has change so much. I am looking to have some fun on my fall trip, and I am wondering where to go for some fun? Any ideas? Greetings jimhard69 :)
To get to Finkle:
There is a Starbucks at the Yeoksam station area and it faces the main road (Tae-hang-ro). The main entrance of Starbucks is facing towards a small alley (and not the main road).
Stand in front of the main entrance. You will see two small alleys. Go to the alley that is on the left. Enter the alley and walk (for about 20 meters) until you see another alley on your left.
Walk and on your right, you will see a glass door and a barbor pole of each side. The sign will read "ÇÎŬ" in white letters on a pink background. If you open the glass door, you will see a red-colored stairway down. Go downstairs and you will see the mamasan eating a f*ckin banana and one of the working girls sucking on an ice cream. LOL :)
Tell them that a Korean-American from Chicago introduced you to that place. :)
Itaewon, one club I went to was Hollywood. A lot of sl*tty Korean girls go there to meet foreign men. I lie to the girls that I am half Japanese. LOL :)
Good luck~~~
Sincerely,
New World Order
The Continental -
I think you misunderstood my position. Actually, I fully support it. It's draconian, but it works.
Rgds,
AM.
Dont get me wrong.. I NEVER said korean/americans or asians should not post on this board..
What I am saying is..
if you are korean/american or korean or whatever.. then please say so in your post...
you last night I went to 588 had this model she was a 9 etc..
the GFE the whole nine yards..
because newbies will get the wrong ideA~
they will go to 588 and get spit on and thing to themselves WTF!!
that other guy on WSg was either full of shit or he must of looked like brad pitt!!
at the end of each post just say BTW I am korean...
I know as do a lot of others that Korea is racist and xenophobic.
woman have the right to choose? well if you ask me most of the hookers would take us but its because the KOREAN MEN dont like it.. thats the only reason.. if a girl is seen serving a foreigner she is looked down on and will lose business and be called a dirty *****! hahahah i'm serious..
its not because she doesnt want to.. I ThINK SHE WOULD PREFER TO SLEEP WITH US over a 65 year old fat smelly ADUSI!
but she will choose him over us..
I am happy to read posts from everyone koreans or not..
but I want to know if you are korean or not that why I can save myself a trip!
thats all..
and too that guy who was bragging about asians being the best!
SETTLE DOWN SPORT!!
NY Yankees
07-16-03, 19:07
Originally posted by seoulman
I know as do a lot of others that Korea is racist and xenophobic.
woman have the right to choose? well if you ask me most of the hookers would take us but its because the KOREAN MEN dont like it.. thats the only reason.. if a girl is seen serving a foreigner she is looked down on and will lose business and be called a dirty *****! hahahah i'm serious..
its not because she doesnt want to.. I ThINK SHE WOULD PREFER TO SLEEP WITH US over a 65 year old fat smelly ADUSI!
but she will choose him over us..
I'll have to agree with whatever you have said but I don't really think that that is the only reason. But that's probably the main reason like it or not. Anyway I think it is safe to say that all the korean men in WSG(be it korean american or whatever else) are not racist and what not. Otherwise, we wouldn't be posting stuff on this website for the benefit of non-koreans. Let's all live happily and act like grown ups because honestly, this talk of racism and cultural relativism is seriously getting tired and repetitous. So no more laments about asshole korean men and then some. Enough of the stereotyping and complains. Let's get back to the goodies...
From talking to the girls I've met, the main reason they've told me that they won't serve non-Koreans is because of a fear of STDs, even with condom use. I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit. Some of these girls are dumb as nuts. Like I said in my previous post, one girl thought she would get an STD because I wanted to use a rubber. Since they prefer or don't require a rubber, maybe they think they will get a STD from going BB and on top of that some think you can get an STD from the condom. Seriously, there's a reason why some girls work in this profession.
Mool
OK, here's what I think. BTW I am a guy from SE Asian nation living in Korea for two years.
Korean working girls don't want to do it with foreigners because they don't want to be labeled as a 'non-Korean server' by their co-workers or the people around them.
Serving foreigners means she is either too ugly or too old to have enough Korean customers. What they fear the most is being gossipped by the women around them actually.
When I had Korean girlfriend, what bothered me the most were her friends who constantly asked her to break up with me. And also the ajummas were the ones who gave us dirty looks.
In my opion, as long as the girl is NOT cute, Korean men don't give a shit whether she does it with a pig.
Why do you guys think you have never seen a really cute Korean girl hanging out with a foreigner?
New World Order
07-18-03, 07:52
Greetings~~~ :)
Most of the working girls are working because they need to pay off debt such as credit card debt, housing, family debt, etc.
Also, most of them have no special skills which are required in today's world--computer skills, English, etc.
I'm stuck and bored in Minnesota so I called up an escort to my hotel. She arrvies an hour later and wanted $300 for everything!!! I told her to leave. She then told me that there is a $40 fee for her coming all the way here. So I gave her the $40.
I miss Korea..... :(
Ottoman,
You are some what correct on the working girls in Korea. But I can tell you, after living in Korea for ten year and now traveling to Korea multiple times a year for another 10 years on business, that is not completely true.
What will help you with all the girls in Korea, is learn Korean and also the culture. If you know the laugage and the culture, you accept by the girls. And you will find girls wanting to talk to you. I have been in many Korean only clubs and bars and had great luck with the girl, both pro and non-pro. I am a average looking white American, not thing special. If you just have fun with girls, and the they enjoy talking with you, you will find the girls line up.
Korea is great! Today, the girls are allot more open with the foreigner than 20 years ago. 20 years ago, if a girl was seen in public with a foreigner, this made her a pro in the eyes of the Korean people. Not today!
To start you down this road and learn what the girls like. Hang out at place that foreigner are accepted and talk to the girls; like the Hard Rock, TGI Fridays, Inter-Continental Hotel Club, etc. Start talking to the non-pro girls and it will help you with the pro's and the non-pros. Good luck!
jimhart69
Thanks for the advice. it's always nice to hear an opinion from an expert.
JimHart: Good post. I don't disagree with anything you said. I have lived in Korea for the past 5 years. But I also lived here before the 88 Olympics and I was extremely spoiled by those days when it was too easy to meet girls. But I guess I am older now and only ajummas chase me. But it sures beats the U.S. where there isn't the same quality of massage places and all...
TheContinental
07-21-03, 05:15
Originally posted by jimhart69
Ottoman,
What will help you with all the girls in Korea, is learn Korean and also the culture. If you know the laugage and the culture, you accept by the girls. And you will find girls wanting to talk to you. I have been in many Korean only clubs and bars and had great luck with the girl, both pro and non-pro. I am a average looking white American, not thing special. If you just have fun with girls, and the they enjoy talking with you, you will find the girls line up.
Korea is great! Today, the girls are allot more open with the foreigner than 20 years ago. 20 years ago, if a girl was seen in public with a foreigner, this made her a pro in the eyes of the Korean people. Not today!
To start you down this road and learn what the girls like. Hang out at place that foreigner are accepted and talk to the girls; like the Hard Rock, TGI Fridays, Inter-Continental Hotel Club, etc. Start talking to the non-pro girls and it will help you with the pro's and the non-pros. Good luck! Excellent advice, I never thought about heading to the HR at all. I guess it is in Apguchong?
I will also agree that learning the langauge and appreciating the culture is the KEY that opens the door to meeting girls.
With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.
Also, anyone on here who thinks they are posting for the "benefit" of non-Koreans is sadly mistaken. This board is not a pre-req for finding pros in Seoul. It is an information exchange.
Speaking of which, I have heard much talk about picking up girls in Hongdae. Any stories about that?
TheContinental
07-22-03, 04:31
Originally posted by New World Order
Greetings~~~ :)
I'm stuck and bored in Minnesota so I called up an escort to my hotel. She arrvies an hour later and wanted $300 for everything!!! I told her to leave. She then told me that there is a $40 fee for her coming all the way here. So I gave her the $40.
I miss Korea..... :( $300? I would say that is the going rate. Some escorts in the US will say $180-200 "full-service." But, "for everything" you have to start upping the anti by $25 increments.
NY Yankees
07-22-03, 12:36
Originally posted by TheContinental
With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.
Also, anyone on here who thinks they are posting for the "benefit" of non-Koreans is sadly mistaken. This board is not a pre-req for finding pros in Seoul. It is an information exchange.
Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way and do pinpoint it if I'm wrong(we always have to assume the writer's tone in written forms) but I feel like you are singling me out with unfair criticism.
I sure am not posting my FRs and infos for the benefits of non-koreans and I'm pretty sure nobody actually post infos with such intentions be it koreans or non. Like you said, this forum is nothing more than an information exchange center. Maybe you didn't like the term "benefit" but that is exactly what this is all about. If the informations weren't beneficial, no one would come around to WSG. I know I have benefitted greatly from other people's information and I don't think there's anything wrong with that(just as long as I give back to the community).
Seriously, this forum has become a political forum of late and I really don't know why you have to bring about your criticism of korean society at every chance that you get. I think it is hypocritical of you to bash korean society at every corner and then wanting to sleep with korean women. Make up your mind bro!! Frankly I do hope you'll chose the later and don't worry too much about the former. I hope you are not offended in anyway, I was trying to be positive.
Originally posted by New World Order
Greetings jimhard69 :)
To get to Finkle:
There is a Starbucks at the Yeoksam station area and it faces the main road (Tae-hang-ro). The main entrance of Starbucks is facing towards a small alley (and not the main road).
Stand in front of the main entrance. You will see two small alleys. Go to the alley that is on the left. Enter the alley and walk (for about 20 meters) until you see another alley on your left.
Walk and on your right, you will see a glass door and a barbor pole of each side. The sign will read "ÇÎŬ" in white letters on a pink background. If you open the glass door, you will see a red-colored stairway down. Go downstairs and you will see the mamasan eating a f*ckin banana and one of the working girls sucking on an ice cream. LOL :)
Tell them that a Korean-American from Chicago introduced you to that place. :)
Itaewon, one club I went to was Hollywood. A lot of sl*tty Korean girls go there to meet foreign men. I lie to the girls that I am half Japanese. LOL :)
Good luck~~~
Sincerely,
New World Order Well, after more positive than negative about Finkle or Pinkle or whatever, decided to try it out. Directions weren't too bad but here is a few corrections or differences I found. Take the alley from Starbucks as described (left alley), then take the first alley to the right. Finkle is on the left. I walked around several streets and alley's to make sure I had the right place (only one with a pink sign with white letters, red carpet at the enterance).
I specifically asked for Star. Not a lot of English being thrown around but she met the descriptions previously posted here so I think it was her.
Everything also as described up until you get to the "action" after the shower. All she could do was whine how big I was and she couldn't take me. Hey, I'm just a regular guy and all I really wanted was a bj, but even that wasn't going to happen.
I should have adiosed right then and asked for some of my $100 back, but then I got stupid and figured there wasn't going to be any shooting for a while because she'd totally ruined the event with all the things she "couldn't do", so I decided to make her stroke long and hard for her money.
Any, if she's hit and miss, depending on the mood, I would recommend you go somewhere else (like Amsterdam - what a great time I had there a couple of days ago)!
Cheers!
Seoul Blade
07-22-03, 16:55
Originally posted by TheContinental
With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.Frankly, I think the statement that you made above is quite delusional; I don't know of any Korean who knows of such 'hypocrisy' you're talking about. Let me see, so in your mind you believe that if a country A helps another country B, B must accept that A has an automatic right to be with B's women? It doesn't exactly work that way, friend. Think about it: If your own motherland country got help from another country, would you readily accept that this country has an automatic right to be with your country's women? This is common sense, man. Geez, put yourself in the Koreans' shoes for once. Economy and the social world are two different things. I may be a foreigner but I know the difference between privilege and preference / choice. Yes, the Koreans may have gotten help from outside countries, but let's be real, please--we don't get automatic privilege in that way.
And I do agree with what NY Yankees said, you do seem to tend to bash Korean men every chance you get in your posts. Any personal feelings you have against the Korean guys?
NY Yankees
07-22-03, 19:55
Seoulblade,
Yeah I was also going to stress exactly what you wrote but thought my message was getting long and winded. Let me just add, no country helps another country merely out of sympathy and pity. Everything is business, the foreign countries sure didn't help korea just out of good will. I'm sure those foreign countries benefitted very well finacially too, due to korea's boom. Continental's remark sure sounds like as if the koreans must bow down and hand them the town keys. Like I said before, let's just put our differences aside and enjoy life while it's there.
Screw all this political, social, etc. BS happening here, lets get back to the subject at hand, I just got back from the philippines and I will post my FR there but for here I just got back from Young Joo Gol.
As I'm writing this, it's 3am on 7/23, just got back from there and I drove myself, so I will try to give directions, the best I can.
The first thing you are looking for is Camp Stanton, the US Army base, if you figure out where that is, you just found YJG.
Starting from Seoul Station, you know there's like 6 streets that intersect there, you take the most left one, when facing the streets from Seoul Station. Anyway, you are looking for Station 320 Kubabal, from there the road splits, one that keeps going where the subway goes and one that goes toward Paju. When going on the road that the subway runs along, basically, just keep going straight while at Kubabal, the subway will fork to the right road. You stay on this road forever, when you think you went to far, keep going, it's like 30km on this road I think. You pass small bridges, you will come upon a fork in the road kinda, let me explains, first off there is some small stone monument with the Lions Club symbol underneath, hopefully, you guys know what the Lions Club is, it's a L with some fancy design around it, the signs around it will say Paju City Hall, you don't go that way, you can go straight to Paju City Hall but the road on the right lane curves, not a 90 degree turn but a slow right bend. Remember to look for the stone monument with Korean on it, with the Lions Club symbol on the bottom. Ok, now you are on the correct road, from here there are a couple of ways to go but the easiest is, you come upon a bridge, there's an overpass, the first big overpass, like when you are on a freeway and there's a big overpass/road above you. Go underneath the overpass and then make the first possible right turn, you come to a small road, some construction going on, it's a booney road, just keep going until you get to a T in the road, you must go left or right, on the right you will see the Family Mart, you know you are at the right place, next make a Left, you will pass Camp Stanton, salute the the men that protect your freedom, now keep going, you pass a big mountain, keep going over the mountain, when you get to the next big town, keep looking on the left side, you can't miss the lights, if you see another Family Mart, you just passed it, turn around 20 yards and unless you are seriously blind, you won't miss it. It's right before the small bridge.
It was pretty dangerous for me to go there tonight because of the weather, it's pouring like crazy in Seoul right now but this is the only night I'm here so I had to stop by since it's been awhile and I did promise you all directions to the place.
Obviously, the best thing to do, if my directions are sucky is to figure out where Camp Stanton is, from there one road goes toward YJG and the other toward the Family Mart at the T of the road. You're basically between 2 Family Marts at the two towns.
And being that Camp Stanton is like 10 minutes from there and I never seen one American GI, I guess it's known that they don't take foreigners there but when I was there at the back alleys, I said I was looking for my white friend so that this girl would let go of my shirt and I was telling her that he got refused service and I didn't want him to be sad, she told me to bring him after I was done with her, so I don't know if she just said that to make me a customer at the moment but she did offer, the one I did finally get service from said she never takes foreigners and that they don't do that there.
I'm very tired and I will post my experience there in a couple of days of what happened, as well as my philippines expericence so check there too.
Mool
originally posted by moolman
from talking to the girls i've met, the main reason they've told me that they won't serve non-koreans is because of a fear of stds, even with condom use. i think that's kinda understandalbe since if i had to take my chances, i that's what i would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit. some of these girls are dumb as nuts. like i said in my previous post, one girl thought she would get an std because i wanted to use a rubber. since they prefer or don't require a rubber, maybe they think they will get a std from going bb and on top of that some think you can get an std from the condom. seriously, there's a reason why some girls work in this profession.
mool
jesus dude!!
and you believe this????
since when is koreas health care system better than that of the west?
all korean men well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers!!!
these same men who go to thailand, philipines, south east asia and have sex without condoms!!
and they think we have stds? hahaahahahhahaha
do these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us??
jesus chirst!!
i dont want to bash koreans or korea... but i have lived here for 7 years now.. i know a little about korean men and woman!
koreans are hyprocrites!! and embezzling, cheating , takers!!
they hate it when foreigners beat them in anything, they hate it when foreigners sleep with korean girls!!
just look at the stupid events like the winter olympics with the ice speed skating appolo ono.. how childish they acted!!
look how they acted when the military allegedly killed those two girls!
but 30 children are killed daily on the roads here!!
banning foreigners from restaurants, bars etc...
it goes on and on! and yes i know this is not the place to talk about it!! so i will stop!!
one last thing in the united states of america!!
and other civalized countries!!!
its illegal to discriminate!!!
illegal!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled decent humans!!!
dont get me wrong!! i am generalizing.. i love this country and its people!! but these are facts too!!!
p.s this is my last post about koreans in general!
from now on its sex sex sex only!!
Originally posted by seoulman
JESUS DUDE!!
and you believe this????
since when is Koreas health care system better than that of the west?
ALL KOREAN MEN well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers! These same men who go to THAILAND, PHILIPINES, South East Asia and have sex without condoms and they think we have STDS? hahaahahahhahaha
DO these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us?Look seoulman,
I never said that non-Koreans have STD's and Koreans don't. I never implied discrimination, I never implied that Koreans were good, Koreans were bad, whatever, can you please, please stop the social commentaries.
All I said was that when I asked a hooker the reasoning behind why she didn't accept foreigners, that's the answer I recieved, I'm just conveying what I heard, not giving a commentary, or my own opinion on things. Like my posts said, the "girls are dumb as nuts". What she told me makes no logical or practical sense to any person but that's what was presented to me and that's what I am reporting because it pertains to the subject of prostitution in South Korea, which is what this forums main topic is.
I never said I agreed with the statements and I make it clear that what I was told sounds stupid. No social commentary intended in any statement.
Yes, I agree with you, let's stick with SEX SEX SEX.
Mool
NY Yankees
07-24-03, 18:04
Originally posted by seoulman
one last thing IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
and other civalized countries!!!
ITS ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE!!!
ILLEGAL!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
Korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled Decent humans!!!
By your phrase, you are saying there are no discrimination in other countries... Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Korea has it's downsides and I do prefer the States thousand times more but I've seen worse things in NYC than in seoul. Every country has its pros and cons.
Reading all your messages, you seem to take great pleasure in bashing koreans and its culture. I'm fine with positive criticism but your post does nothing but fuel unnecessary controversies. Again, I'm not saying what you wrote doesn't exist but how you said it that's remarkable crude and childish.
Further, your reply to moolman doesn't make any sense. You are missing the point. He is criticizing the foolishness of the women and not being gullible.
TheContinental
07-25-03, 05:14
Originally posted by NY Yankees
(1)I really don't know why you have to bring about your criticism of Korean society at every chance that you get.
(2)Otherwise, we wouldn't be posting stuff on this website for the benefit of non-koreans.
SEOULBLADE: Economy and the social world are two different things. I may be a foreigner but I know the difference between privilege and preference / choice. Yes, the Koreans may have gotten help from outside countries, but let's be real, please--we don't get automatic privilege in that way.(1)First of all, look at any one of my posts and you will see I have not brought up criticism of Korean society; Rather, I have simply responded to posts I feel may be bias toward one side of an argument. For example, when someone posed the idea that BGs were afraid of foreigners due to STDs, I simply brought up the point that STDs are very common in Korean society as well, including young women/non-pros (although maybe not AIDs or Herpes, but many of the usual minor STDs).
(2)Look what you wrote above. C'mon, you must admit you sound like you're doing certain people here a big favor. But, it is your choice to post here. No one is forcing you.
SEOULBLADE: My point was that you cannot invite people to your country to help reconstruct it, and not expect them to be at least mildly interested in participating in other aspects of it; You cannot embrace globalization and expect people to be uninterested in the foreign "merchandise" (so to speak).
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In any case, it is Summer time here in the US, and the Korean ladies are looking very nice.
Still no posts about the Hongdae scene?
Originally posted by NY Yankees
By your phrase, you are saying there are no discrimination in other countries... Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Korea has it's downsides and I do prefer the States thousand times more but I've seen worse things in NYC than in seoul. Every country has its pros and cons.
Reading all your messages, you seem to take great pleasure in bashing koreans and its culture. I'm fine with positive criticism but your post does nothing but fuel unnecessary controversies. Again, I'm not saying what you wrote doesn't exist but how you said it that's remarkable crude and childish.
Further, your reply to moolman doesn't make any sense. You are missing the point. He is criticizing the foolishness of the women and not being gullible.
I suggest you read both messages again!
he said
" I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do"
so yeah and no never in any of my messages do I distriminate koreans or bash the koreans!!
I make generalizations and facts which are real!!
yes of course racism and distrimination is prevalent in the US and other 1st countries!!
BUT!! even though it goes on Those countries dont have signs up on their front doors! NO FOREIGNERS!!
NO BLACKS!
Foreigners must pay double!
Asian only club!!
NON ASIANS ALLOWED!
sorry we only serve whites!
NO KOREANS!!
get my drift!!!
you tell me where in NYC did you see a club or a brothal say that!?
I dont want to start an Argument or get this board totally off topic which we should be talking about sex!!
I was childish to post that first post I admit but its true never the less!
if you wish to debate me further on , that korea is nothing like I say then we can do it in Email!!
thanks
P.S.
went to the SUWON redlight district near SUWON station
MAN their is some TALENT!!
the place is over crowded at least 7-8 girls in one booth!
and young I'd say university girls paying their way through college or bad depts etc.. anyway all dressed in sexy clothes..
they dont take foreigners! but I saw indians and some foreigners walking around! I went there a few times during worldcup..
they didnt even look my way...
they will take a physically challenged korean man, or old man in his 60's before they take a brad pitt looking 28 years old foreigner
emmmmmmmm
I don't know what the big deal is if Korean don't service non-koreans. It's their rights to refuse just like McDonald has the right to refuse service to customer w/o shirt or shoe. It's there country and they operate however they want, if you don't like it then just move to another asian country if you still hung on asian pussies. Why wget work up over it if their men like to do it w/o country? whoring is a risky business from the get go why fool yourself thinking otherwise. South Korean exist to ensure it own alpha male ego just as the USA exist to fosture it own alpha male ego.
Seoulman,
I'm responding to your posts as soon as I see them but I am still a regular member so there is a couple of days delay.
Since you are specifically, quoting my post, I'll will answer any critizisms and questions.
Now you must take my statements in context of my whole message. It's like cults leaders who take one passage from the bible and think they are Jesus or Muslims who take one passage from the koran and become terrorists.
My whole sentence was:
"I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit."
See that last part about not guarenteeing anything about not having STDs. I never said they should discriminate against non-Koreans. I never said that it was right to only serve koreans at brothels.
The whole context of my post was that these girls are not very intelligent and they have no concept of STD prevention and condom use.
When I said I think that it's understandable they don't take foreigners, I was empathizing with them, as in, if I was in their shoes and I was a hooker regardless of a korean hooker or some other country AND I wanted to play my chances with someone having an STD or not, I would say that the local people have a less chance of STD because they don't travel around as much to countries which have a higher rate of AIDS. Now like I said, it "doesn't guarentee shit" but I am saying that I understand their position on the subject.
Of course Koreans guys travel around Asia, going to thailand, philippines etc catching an STD but what I'm saying is I understand their position of taking their chances with a local since obviously they might not travel as much as a foreigner in the county, who is obviously traveling around using brothels.
Anyway, I hope all this makes sense and let's please get back onto the subject at hand. I do have some field reports to post, like I said in my previous posts.
Mool
NY Yankees
07-25-03, 18:27
Originally posted by seoulman
so yeah and no never in any of my messages do I distriminate koreans or bash the koreans!!
I make generalizations and facts which are real!!
Let others be the judge of that. All your posts contain humor that borders on mockery and sarcasm regarding the behaviors of koreans. Again, I never disputed your facts. Although generalization is nothing but an euphemism for stereotyping, they do at times point to the truth. I don't recall saying what you said were false and untrue. So don't get worked up on that.
yes of course racism and distrimination is prevalent in the US and other 1st countries!!
BUT!! even though it goes on Those countries dont have signs up on their front doors! NO FOREIGNERS!!
NO BLACKS!
Foreigners must pay double!
Asian only club!!
NON ASIANS ALLOWED!
sorry we only serve whites!
NO KOREANS!!
get my drift!!!
you tell me where in NYC did you see a club or a brothal say that!?
I dont want to start an Argument or get this board totally off topic which we should be talking about sex!!
I was childish to post that first post I admit but its true never the less!
if you wish to debate me further on , that korea is nothing like I say then we can do it in Email!!
thanks
Signs or no signs that's not really the point is it? So in your terms, having no signs but if racism or discrimination did exist, that is tolerable? Come to think of it, isn't that actually worse? That's pretty much like a wolf in sheep's clothing. And I actually haven't seen any of the signs that you've mentioned in any RLDs, bath houses or barbershops. Well did see a "no korean" sign at some club in Itaewon.
Of course some clubs and brothels welcome you with open arms back in NYC but I've walked into a few where I've gotten that look that tells me I'm not too welcomed. Furthermore I've been denied service a few times(mostly via the phone or through email) due to my race but I always try to give the girls the benefit of the doubt that to them race is merely a preference and not an issue. Again, read my posts, I never said korea is nothing like what you said. I was merely pointing out that they could be done with out the wicked humor and sarcasm. Play a fair game, don't hit below the belt. On a brighter note, maybe all of us are just frustrated with our work and desperately need to get laid. Lack of sex is driving our minds to wander into other frivolous nonsense. So let's get on with it...
New World Order
07-25-03, 22:28
Greetings,
To all the non-Koreans, I am sorry if the working girls do not accept you.
But what can we do?
Trust me, there are a lot of Korean (non-pros) girls who are openminded and would love to meet a foreigner.
English Institutes, Itaewon, HongDae, etc. They are all over the place.
I am stuck here in the Twin Cities (Minnesota) on business. :(
This has got to be the most boring state in America!
I went to a Kansas City Royals-Minnesota Twins game. While walking to the ballpark, I saw two girls smile at me. But when I looked back at them, they were also smiling at other guys. Were they working girls? If so, I am going back. LOL :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
[look how they acted when the military allegedly killed those two girls!
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...allegedly?????
Love Taipei
07-26-03, 14:52
It is sad that this Seoul page has degraded to attacks and counterattacks on/from Koreans & Han Mi's.
Stick to the fact
Hi everyone,
This is the 2nd time I'm writing this report because there was some kind of glitch last time.
Well, I had a layover in Korea so I decided to take a little trip to YJG, in my previous post, I already posted the directions, just remember to look for Camp Stanton and you found it.
So I head out from my hotel at around 9:30pm, I rented a car since the taxi fare would be more expensive. YJG is about 40km or more outside Seoul. The rain was coming down really hard, so I got lost numerous times so it took me until about midnight to find it. Risky life and limb I had to search for some action and also so I could post a good report here. I was pretty bored that night so I thought it would be a better experience than watch TV in my hotel room. Also, when I rate the girls here, I believe my ratings system is very good since I do know what a good looking Korean girl is. Just as a side note, someone who's judgement I trust reported to me about going to Finkle barbershop and finding that the girls that were rated here as a 9 were more like a 5 or average in their opinion. So for reference sake, I would say that a 10 from me is like a 20 on the other scale. Anyway, back to my ramblings.
Coming in to town where YJG is located, you can see the bright lights that stick out, like looking for the Emerald City. The town is a very plain town, a couple of stores and resturants. You'll see some guys coming out of the alley ways so you know you found the place. YJG is located between the police station and the river. It's about 100 yards of the street and runs maybe 200-300 yards deep, anyway, it's really deep with so many different alley ways that if you split up with a friend you'll never find each other for an hour, especially with all the girls grabbing you, but that's another story for later. Don't worry about the cops, they are there to protect you from the girls. The cops are cracking down on the girls grabbing guys and messing up their clothes. Do not wear any clothes that are either nice or expensive, they will get ruined once the grabbing begins. There are I think 4 entrances to YJG, one is a big drive way along the river that leads to the parking lot in the back and the other 3 are alley way entrances. The drive way has tents setup so the rain is kept out, kinda convenient since it is rainy season. Do not park in the parking lot in the back, it'll waste too much time going down the road because every girl will step in front of your car trying to get you to take them and come back to your house with them. You don't want to get stopped in a car since you don't get to touch. Also, you want to see the selection, you can't go with the first thing you see.
Anyway, park in any empty spot on the street, most of the stores are closed already so you can park anywhere as long as you don't block the driveway to the police station, which is what I almost did. Enter through one of the small entrances. This time around I was determined to walk the whole place looking for my "10". So I can testify that this place is just huge, maybe bigger than I described plus all the alley ways look the same.
I parked my car and chose the first small entrance I saw, the first house I see there's a girl there, about a 7, instantly grabs my collar and will not let go. She had the grip of death on me. The bad of being grabbed is that you want to be on your way so you can find the girl you want, also your clothes are getting messed up. The good is you get to touch the merchandise before buying. So since this girl was grabbing me, I decided to grab her, I felt her breast which were nice, overall good body, I had to pinch her nipples so that she would let go of me. The only fault I see on her is that her face had some blemishes that she was hiding with make up. I'm on my search for my 10, so I can't settle now, also I wanted to check out the whole place so I could report back. So I give her a BS story about looking for my friends and pinched her nipples until she let go. Then I quickly walked off, not a bad waste of 10 minutes grabbing some ass and tits, better than any strip club I've been to in the states. So, I take walk down the next alley way and see the rows of girls, many very cute, the next girl that grabs me is an absolute knockout, perfect 10, she had a small firm body, nice breast which I had to feel since she was grabbing me and an adorable face about 5'3". The girls here seem to wear different out fits from absoulute trashy to the going clubbing look. I would of stayed with this 10 but I had to search out all of YJG, don't even want to settle on the first 10 I see. So for 5 minutes I just touched her all over but she wouldn't let go with her death grip, so I did what any respectable guy should do. I reached down into her pants and pull on her pubic hair. This was my last resort because my shirt was seriously stretched out. She did start kissing my neck and I almost went in with her but I was still determined to see all of YJG.
I pretty much went down almost every alley way but I couldn't tell because it was so big, I would say there were about 150 girls that I saw, most were in the 7-8 range and out of the 150 about 20-30 were 10's. Absolutely, beautiful and adorable. These 10's could be definite models, as good looking as any korean actress that you see on TV. The main driveway seemed to have the best looking girls compared to the small alley ways. I had a few more instances of being grabbed but I pleaded my case of finding my friends, got some good feels and I was on the search for my 10.
I go down this one alley and a girl dressed very plainly who's not that bad about a 6 grabs me and says, it's not about how the girl looks but the service that you will remember. So I'm thinking, you must have ugly girls at your house. She promises me the best experience of my life and that if I give her a chance I'll be coming back for more everytime. I was about to ditch her when in her house I see the perfect 10 that I came searching for. She was wearing a tennis outfit, skirt and shirt, trimmed in yellow. Highlighted hair, 5'4", decent size breasts, good body but her face was amazing, no blemishes and the perfect smile that calls you over. So I have been walking around for awhile so I decide to give in. Also, they did promise me good service so why not, let's see what she has in store. I get led up stairs to her room. In YJG, the girls live in the rooms, it is their personal bed that you are on. The rooms are a lot bigger than the closet you get at Miari. There was a queen size bed, TV, dolls, all the personal effects that a girl would have. So payment always comes first, the prices I was quoted are the following:
70K for short time ~20 min
150K for longer time ~45 min
1000K for all night, yup that's right almost $800 US dollars for all nighter, wow, I guess some people can afford that one.
Not that my girl wasn't worth that much, she looks like a model and is totally adorable. She was 21 years old and said she worked there right under a year. I'm told to undress and take a shower in the bathroom. She goes down to get change for me, I only had $100 bill on me. I kind rinse off the body and 3 minutes later she walks in nude and starts to soap me up. I'm standing and she's got a loof in her hand soaping my body from head to toe, paying special attention to my little buddy. Also she cleans between my ass like 5 times, so we all know what that means. She did have me brush my teeth for kissing but I don't like kissing but those who want the total GFE experience will truly enjoy. She hands me a towel and I dry off and tells me to lie face down on the bed. She's also washing up, so I'm check her out, she's got firm breast, decently big for a korean, I would estimate a C cup, good perky nipples that stick out and a full set of pubic hair, which I prefer over shaved. So, I'm on my stomach she gets on top of me and starts the usual licking, starts from my neck and goes down to behind my knee, I'm all shaking because it's so ticklelish, it's driving me nuts. She starts up back from my knees, opens my butt cheeks and gives me a slow, long rim job for a good minute. This girl has got skills with her tongue. Now she tells me to turn over and again the licking from neck to toe, then I didn't realize this but she had some ice and hot tea for the fire/ice blow job. I didn't even expect or ask for this, I'm a newbie at this so this was my first experience with this one. So she crunches down on some ice and starts on the BBBJ, not to fast and not too slow, this girl was pretty amazing. Then she takes a gulp of the hot tea and starts up again for awhile. I was being a lazy bastard and didn't really want to start banging away since her BBBJ was so good that I motioned that I wanted to finish off with the BJ. So she's switching back and forth between the ice and tea and finally I'm ready to blow, so I asked if I could cumm in her mouth which she motioned to me that it was ok, I also asked if she swallowed but she motioned once again that she spit. I finally blow my load and she keeps going at it. You know after you cumm you're so sensitive and she kept going at it, it felt so good but also like torture so after a minute I had to stop her because I thought my body was going into shock. This whole time, of course I'm touching her whole body as best I can. She then goes to the bathroom to spit out and brush her teeth. I also cleaned up, gave some chit chat and I was on my way. On my way out,
I was once again grabbed and did more touching but after awhile I got tired of it and just didn't look the girl's way. They started to make fun of me, saying don't worry we won't bother you, don't look scared.. haha... yeah, I was determined to get out of their finally because the rain was getting bad. I found my car and I was on the way back to Seoul, which was a lot faster since I didn't get lost.
I had a good time with a perfect 10, got some good service that will make me comeback for more. Hope you all enjoyed my report. I'm probably going to cool down for a bit. I've been on this STD scare, just getting bad feelings.
Good luck to you all.
New World Order
07-27-03, 00:24
Hi there Moolman~~~ :)
Damn, that was an awesome post my friend!!! :)
So the girl was asking for a million won for the whole night?
One working girl at YJG told me that if I come at around 5am, I can have the girl until around 11am for around 300,000. So a week later, I had a girl for 6 hours for 300,000. She was a goddess!!! DAAAAAMN haha LOL :)
Anyway, I will be back in Korea in a week or two.
I would like to go to YJG with you. :)
If you are willing to drive, I will treat you to dinner and a drink!!! :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
TheContinental
07-27-03, 02:57
Holy Cow Seoulman that was quite a post. With regards to what girls accept, well I think a little money will do all the talking. Plenty of posts on this board about parlors that gladly service international visitors.
But this idea of nationalism within the prostitution industry is an interesting one. I wonder, does this nationalism spring from the Park era? If I can remember, some of these girls were actually convinced by the Park admin that servicing foreigners was patriotic, since it would keep them away from the rest of society.
Nationalism is definitely ensconced within the business sector: Early on building the economy was first and foremost about solidifying national sovereignty and stabilizing the regime. But this is a new type of nationalism. I think it stems from the fact that, although these girls may be frowned upon, the fact is that in such a materialistic society, these girls are doing much better (financially) than many people their age. So, given this new equality, they too can participate in the same kind of nationalism everybody else does. In effect, they have some kind of status to protect, just like everyone else.
NY Yankees
07-27-03, 06:07
Moolman,
Whoa, a very excellent report. Once I got grabbed by this girl at 588 and it was right after the rain had stopped. She pulled on my umbrella and the damn thing broke. As much as I love going window shopping, the grabbing part is the one part that does get a little too annoying. If you're not good at bargaining your way out or telling bullshit stories, these girls will eat you until you succumb to their offers. They are like police interrogators, they can smell and detect fear just like that.
I once took a friend who was totally innocent and new to this, he was stiff and nervous throughout the whole walk and when a girl grabbed him, I felt so sorry for him, he not knowing what to do. By the end, he was so shy that I had to go and approach the girl that he wanted to sleep with.
Although I've been grabbed countlessly, I've never had the guts like you to grab their goodies right there and then. I'm not that brave... yet. It did cross my mind many times but I just couldn't do it out in the open. Well the fact that I've never been to YJG and I don't know how different the atmosphere is from 588 and I don't think I've seen anyone grab the girls' goodies at 588. Still your story makes sense, check out the goods before you buy them.
I like chicks with at least a B cup and most korean chicks are on the A side or flat. I've been deceived numerous times. Most times you can detect whose got big knockers and whose are merely paddings. But a few times, my eyes have deceived me and the final product doesn't turn out as good as I thought. Ever since my many failures, I've made it my mission to ask them flat out what their boob sizes are. To know that I might be able to grab and check them out is just too tempting.
Now I'm REALLY desperate to check out YJG. But as I'm away from seoul at the moment, all I can do is dream...
Oh btw, at 588 and yongsan, they charge 1200k for overnight(12 hrs)and not 1000k as I've mentioned before. Of course this was the quoted price for locals but I'm pretty sure non-koreans can get the same deal from those areas that accept non-koreans. They told me the above was the flat price but bargaining could be a slight possibility. I once took out an overnight with a dream babe at 588. But instead of 12hrs she stayed for 24hrs. Ofcourse this can only be done if you take her out of her shop and to your dungeon. During the 12hrs you can take her out and do whatever the hell you want. But this probably won't work in YJG since there are no places to go. Anyway 1200k or 1000k they are both crazy money.
Been away from Seoul for just under a year but now am back. Took the last hour or so to read a lot of the posts dating back to April. There is one thing I noticed. Hardly any mention of Hooker Hill in Itaewan. Except for the occassional "avoid it". Has it really gone down hill or is it just better places have been found?
Anyone seen Gina lately? I forget the name of her bar but I believe that it was the second one on the right hand side going up the hill.
I'm an English teacher in Seoul.
Here's some advice I have for the Korean men:
You need to focus on your own strengths, rather than worrying about what others think about.
It's called having a "positive attitude."
They say: "It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it that counts."
Learn from this Korean men, and turn your "weakness" in to a "strength."
Learn to maneouver your equipment with the skill of the Korean soccer team and you might actually be able to steal back some of your chicks from us foreigners.
Now I'm not trying to sound patronizing here, I'm just trying to give you guys some good advice.
Maybe spend less time playing Starcraft and drinking Soju and spend more time learning how to please your women and you may actually have a chance against us waygooks.
The K-Girls love us because we are attentive to their needs; being particularily "large" viz-a-viz Korean men is just incidental to the attraction.
NY Yankees
07-27-03, 12:54
Originally posted by TheContinental
Look what you wrote above. C'mon, you must admit you sound like you're doing certain people here a big favor. But, it is your choice to post here. No one is forcing you.
Well, I'm sorry if it came out that way, if it sounded like Koreans are doing foreigners a favor. That wasn't what I had in mind when I wrote that sentence. But that really wasn't the point of the whole passage, I was just merely pointing out that bias, hypocritical racist, selfish womanizers will not post in any forum to begin with. They will only retrieve infos and never give feedbacks for others. I'm just amazed at the number of people who wants to be spoon fed without doing a single research. Again, I'm sorry if my post came across to you in that way but I never thought of it with such intentions.
RW_75,
I can confirm that Gina was still up and running (and as lovely as ever) in March when I was last on the hill. I can't remember the name of her bar either, but it's very near the top, on the right as you go up if we are talking the same Gina!
New World Order
07-27-03, 16:54
Dear NY Yankees: Wow, you spent 24 hours with a hot babe from 588? Lucky you!!! :)
I have talked with a lot of the girls at Miari, YJG, and 588. They all told me that it is cheaper to have them from 5am-7am until around 11am. Because they usually end work at around 5-7am and they can sleep at around noon and still be able to get ready for work which is around 7-8pm.
I once met a girl from Miari from 5am until 11am for 250,000.
She is a cute and young girl. I took her our for breakfast at 5am and then checked into a yo-gwan.
Dear RW_75: I would avoid Hooker Hill. I could have sworn I saw a transsexual. Her voice sounded like a man and her face was just wierd. She (or he? lol) didn't have a penis but I just had this strange feeling. I told her to undress to double check and then I just bought him (or her) a drink and left.
Just go to the clubs in the Itaewon area and hit on the Korean girls there. Most of them are openminded and are looking for a foreigner to have fun with.
If you do not score that day, at least you can call them up and date and see where it goes from there. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
New World Order
07-27-03, 17:08
Dear guys:
Let's put all this tension behind us now.
This was all a misunderstanding. So let's just forget about it and move on. After all, we are all grown men aren't we? :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
P.S. Hey Moolman, I like your idea of pinching the girls if they grab you. :) I was grabbed by this cute girl and I just french kissed her. haha Her hands got into my shirt and I just fell for her trap. I discontinued looking around and went with her, she also did the hot water/ice cubes blowjob. I am not a big fan of it.
Afterwards, she gave me a bag of candy. In return, I gave her Starburst. I told her that it was a chewy candy. She laughed.
Having just answered a question - I have got one too! Last time I was in Seoul I went to the Dynasty and it seemed awfully and permanently shut! I have not seen any further comments since Gameover's post in June. Any further news? Where is "Next Best"?
I have heard they have a similar set up in the Hamilton in Itaewon but that I think that would be aimed at foreigners, the Dynasty was the real thing!
TheContinental
07-28-03, 02:08
Originally posted by RW_75
There is one thing I noticed. Hardly any mention of Hooker Hill in Itaewan. Except for the occassional "avoid it". Has it really gone down hill or is it just better places have been found?Well, perhaps that is becasue it is the easiest place to find--everyone knows where it is.
Also, those girls will rip you off as soon as you walk in the door.
Also, are you really going to go into one of those places with so many people walking around?
If you must, stick to the back alley connecting HH with Fag's Way.
Read Meat, can you please shut the trap, your comments have nothing to do with the topic of this forum. It serves no useful information, all it does is just start another flame war. We already settle that it was a misunderstanding and it is over. All you are doing is leaching, you post no useful information about punting. Give nothing back here and the first thing you post is something that is stereotypical and just plain dumb. Instead of posting useless things, please post about the topic at hand, like I have done.
So yes, we will take your advice because you are so intelligent and have so much insight into the Korean man.
Thanks for the post, my life is now changed, I will play soccer and have a "positive attitude", you changed my life... tear...
Mookman formally known as moolman
Originally posted by Real Meat
I'm an English teacher in Seoul.
Here's some advice I have for the Korean men:
You need to focus on your own strengths, rather than worrying about what others think about.
It's called having a "positive attitude."
They say: "It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it that counts."
Learn from this Korean men, and turn your "weakness" in to a "strength."
Learn to maneouver your equipment with the skill of the Korean soccer team and you might actually be able to steal back some of your chicks from us foreigners.
Now I'm not trying to sound patronizing here, I'm just trying to give you guys some good advice.
Maybe spend less time playing Starcraft and drinking Soju and spend more time learning how to please your women and you may actually have a chance against us waygooks.
The K-Girls love us because we are attentive to their needs; being particularily "large" viz-a-viz Korean men is just incidental to the attraction.
Gina is still there providing world class service as always. Her place is called the Rous and is right across from Polly's Kettle. Treat her right if you go there. She's a doll.
OK, the departure has been delayed, I'm still around (lurking) but haven't played the game in awhile. Still saving for an expensive relocation but to be honest, another reason for current frugality is that I'm planning a bang-up binge just before I go.
That binge was originally planned to happen with multiple shots, multiple partners at the Dynasty but it appears that the closure is still a factor so I may need to source another location.
As a service to those looking at steam bath options, there are still a few:
Hilltop Hotel:
Usually good quality. Have seen a few dogs over the years but just send em back. The next entry should be fine. Location: up the street from Hakdong Station (line 7)
A nice sportsmassage place:
Don't be fooled that it is a barbershop. The service is exactly the same as Steam/Turkey Bath. Girls usually good quality but service is a bit more rushed. Had 2 exceptions here that I would count as among the best in Korea.
Location: Just outside Hakdong Station (line 7) on the south side of the main street. There is a Japanese restaurant in the same building.
Hamilton:
Don't worry, its not a foreigner focused place, the service is good and I never had an ugly chick trying to push English on me. Price is a bit higher (200,000). Quality isn't as high as others but if you can't find anything else, this will suffice.
Others (with little to report)
Green Glass Hotel (Seollung Station) may be closed
Youngdong Hotel (Shinsa Station) haven't been there in years but it is still there and had some good times there.
Sunshine Hotel (in Apkujong): Was quoted a higher price because I was a foreigner. Didn't partake but saw some of the girls walking around and they looked VERY nice
Tiffany Hotel (Cheongdam Station): Was denied access. Told to come back with a Korean. I have a feeling girls are top quality.
Mirabeau Hotel (near Ewha): Long time ago but excellent experience
I found all of these place just by checking them out. Cruise the neighborhoods and find your favorite. Stumbling across Dynasty by chance proved to a be a wonderful source of excellent meat for many years. Good luck and enjoy.
A note on the current state of the board:
I may continue to look but won't be posting much. Been tempted, however, due to the arguments happening of late. My two bits, for what there worth. This board is an information exchange for all those who want to use it. If your American, Korean, French, Dutch, Thai, it doesn't really matter. Let's get over this Korean vs. Foreigner nonsense as it serves no valuable purpose other than to rile up negative feelings and pressures.
There is value in noting is a place is Korean-only or foreigner-focused. This is objective information that can serve to prepare one for what they should expect. I have a friend (Korean) who heard some people talking about Itaewon. He decided that he wanted to check it out with some other friends (Korean, and not us that he heard about it from.) His experience was terrible, he was not served, he was hassled by others on the streets (not just soldiers) and walked away with a negative impression. He came back and told me about it. I said "you should have asked me." He said "you should have told me."
Lets get more objective and less emotional. We're all here for the same purpose and if you have a different agenda, this might not be the place for you to be.
In the hamilton hotel, where is the turkish bath located at that everyone is talking about?
lets not compare apples and oranges ok!
we are not talking about koreans and foreigners are equal the tide moves both ways blar blar blar BECAUSE it doesn't!
foreigners cant do anything that the korean/americans on this board are talking about!
foreigners cant even walk around YJG or 588 and have positive looks and remarks from girls!!!
foreigners always have to enter places with a slight doubt in their mind that will I get served? will I?
we cant enjoy the perks of walking around 588 miari and being grabbed and asked to come in forcefully.. we dont have options of refusing and looking for the one you want!!
foreigners have to be subjected to be told to sleep with AJUMAS in the back alleys, refused all together or told ridiculous prices like 350.000 won for 20minutes!!!!
we have ITAEWON where the girls charge 100-300 dollars for one sex because they know our chances of finding a girl in 588 are slim!
so to all the kyopos on this board who are saying to me or other white folk hey look for the positive, or if you dont like it leave!
or hey some koreans had a bad time in itaewon.. SAVE IT!!
this board is for information to infor travellers who are coming to korea to be informed on what things they can expect!
and I am saying what they can expect!
they can expect, everything I just said!!
so when people post about walking around YJG or 588 and having girls dripping off your body like a rockstar and you feeling them up like hugh hefner, you should state in your posts that you are korean!!! because first time readers will get the wrong idea! that wouldnt be fair to mislead them!!
because the facts are!!!
foreigners have it tough here regarding getting sex!!
funny how thailand will take all types!!!
just as korea did 20 years ago..
you think thailand will stop taking foreigners in 20 years?
I dont think so!!!
koreans are racist are xenophobic.. thats the reason the korean whoring scene is what it is towards foreigners!
dont get me wrong guys I dont dislike koreans and I am not trying to start an arguement dont get me wrong ok!!
I am just giving my opinion on why I think koreans are not so welcoming towards foreigners!
people in the world today need to start to change!!
too much hate in the world!!!
we are all one blood!!!!
lets start acting like it!!
anyway this is korea from a foreigners perspective!
so newbies there you go..
New World Order
07-29-03, 21:12
Dear Seoulman:
I understand that you are upset.
I do not know about the other Koreans in this board (and Korean-Americans), but both Moolman and myself are Korean-Americans.
We have stated that we are Korean-Americans in our posts.
I agree with you that it is rediculous for the Korean working girls, not to accept foreigners. But the mamasans are telling the girls not to accept foreigners.
I have posted places and methods of getting Korean p*ssy.
I plan to visit Korea for business next week.
I will do my very best and persuade the girls to accept foriengers.
I was able to take a Japanese, Mexican, Canadian, and an American to 588, Miari, and Suwon.
Hopefully I will be able to again.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Hello from Boston Mass,USA From a long time poster
How would they treat African-Americans(I'm African-American) If I were to come to Seoul,South Korea? I'm just speaking from the hip guys your honest opions will help greatly.
Seoulman--You said it best, too much hate in the world...:(
Seoulman,
We don't deny what your saying but I think the point is that all people are ethnocentric or racist, everywhere in the world, it my be openly or subtle, so what's the big deal, move on.
Meatman,
African-Americans will find it hard to get service from pros because African-Americans are looked down upon, but that's not news to you. But because of the whole hip-hop thing and how black is cool, you might find a pro or regular girl. But in my travels, I find that Japanese girls are really into black guys than Koreans girls. As in everything YMMV, so who knows.
New World Order
07-30-03, 04:39
Originally posted by MeatMan
Hello from Boston Mass,USA From a long time poster
How would they treat African-Americans (I'm African-American) If I were to come to Seoul, South Korea? I'm just speaking from the hip guys your honest opions will help greatly.
Seoulman--You said it best, too much hate in the world...:( Greetings Meatman :)
Will this be your first time to Korea?
Anyway, please to not be offended by my remarks. After all, I want to be straight forward with all of you.
It is difficult for non-Koreans to be accepted to RLDs and other places such as barbershops and turkey bath houses.
An outcall girl (escort) or a girl from the barbershops would be your best bet.
Have you heard about Pinkle? It is a barbershop located in Yeoksam station (south of Seoul and near the Renaissance hotel). There are many posts related to Pinkle during the past month. I'm pretty sure they will accept you.
Another problem is that these working girls tell me that the non-Koreans have such huge p*nises. lol
Have you been to Itaewon? Check the bars and clubs out. DO NOT GO TO Hooker Hill. That place is f*cked-up. AVOID IT.
Just check the bars and clubs and talk to the girls. :)
Good luck.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Love Taipei
07-30-03, 10:12
Dear Meat Man:
You would be better off in Japan than Korea.
Best Regards,
Meatman,
There seem to be two types of Korean girls..
The ones who only or mostly go for black guys. These can be found in Itaewon and Hongdae, try clubs like King Club or Flexx in Itaewon or Stompers or any of the hip hop clubs in Hongdae.
There are also the girls who will never date a black guy. I have had girls telling me they are scared of black people.
Unfortunately in Korea the latter are far more numerous.
In terms of the general populace, well Koreans are racist at the best of times. I knew a black guy who lived in Kwangju. HE used to walk through a market every day to work and without fail one of the market sellers used to laugh and make monkey noises. the problem was he couldn't understand why my friend didnt think this was hilarious..
Originally posted by MeatMan
Hello from Boston Mass,USA From a long time poster
How would they treat African-Americans(I'm African-American) If I were to come to Seoul,South Korea? I'm just speaking from the hip guys your honest opions will help greatly.
Seoulman--You said it best, too much hate in the world...:(
if you wish to pay for it?
I suggest your only hope is MIARI texas... walk around alone dress nice like you're a businessman not a GI! and maybe someone will take you..
other wise ITAEWON not a problem my friend.. they will serve any foreigners there. all they care about is the green!
ohhh also if you are down in Pyongtek ulsan way by the military base you can be served there too. dont pay more than 150.000 won ok either in itaewon or pyungtek MIrari it will be same price.
70.000 or 80.000 and you only have like 20 minutes..
if you want to pick up up girls without paying...
UN CLUB, LIME LITE, KINGS CLUB, HYATT HOTEL( ALSO ESCORTS WORKING ALL THE TIME) 300.000 rfor all night.. can barter down if its like 10 minutes to closing..
hope this helps man..
just ask if you need more info..
laters
I went to Finkle yesterday and asked for So-Hyun and was told something to the effect that she wasn't there. I even drew the buddist symbol to make sure there was no question as to who I was asking about. Hopefully it was just her day off. So I headed back to Itaewon and went up the hill to Fantasy Club. It was around 4pm and I was her first of the evening. She gave me a cold coke because I was drenched in sweat from walking all over. I gave her $60 and we got down to business. Really good bbj then a few different positions before I finished up doggystyle. Afterwards she cleaned me up then gave me a big bottle of water for the long trip home. I was wondering though has anyone seen Mindy from Ambrosia? I havent seen her in awhile but then again I am out of that area by 5pm whenever I go to Seoul.
Hi guys,
It will be my first trip to Seoul and I have no clue about the 'market' there and do not want to be ripped off.
I'd like to get a nice koean girls, GFE experience if possible, for a couple of hours. I may stay in a good hotel downtown.
From what I have understood from this board it is difficult for a caucasian like me to enter barbershops and turkey bath houses. So what would you recommend ?
Thanks a lot
NY Yankees
08-01-03, 09:18
Originally posted by Rene02
Hi guys,
It will be my first trip to Seoul and I have no clue about the 'market' there and do not want to be ripped off.
I'd like to get a nice koean girls, GFE experience if possible, for a couple of hours. I may stay in a good hotel downtown.
From what I have understood from this board it is difficult for a caucasian like me to enter barbershops and turkey bath houses. So what would you recommend ?
Thanks a lot
No, Barbershops and turkish baths would be a better bet if you are not asian. RLDs are real hit or miss but as mentioned by other contributors, Miari would be your best bet. I'll say forget 588... it might just be a waste of time. If you are staying in an hotel, try for an outcall service, there are pamplets littered all over the streets, but since I've never experienced outcall service in seoul, I can't tell you about what to expect and all. Maybe other contributors will be able to help.
My advice, take some time and read all the messages starting from beginning of this year. There are plenty of infos about where to meet pros and nonpros for non koreans. This way, you really can't go wrong. Happy Hunting.
New World Order
08-02-03, 04:34
Originally posted by Rene02
Hi guys,
It will be my first trip to Seoul and I have no clue about the 'market' there and do not want to be ripped off.
I'd like to get a nice koean girls, GFE experience if possible, for a couple of hours. I may stay in a good hotel downtown.
From what I have understood from this board it is difficult for a caucasian like me to enter barbershops and turkey bath houses. So what would you recommend ?
Thanks a lot Greetings Rene02,
Where in Seoul will you be staying?
You made a post under "other areas" and you said that you will be in Seoul for two days.
Well, in that case, I'd say try Pinkle. There are probably 50 posts related to this place. I recommend So Hyun. If she says no to you, tell her that you are a friend of a Korean. Tell her that your Korean friend (me) wears Bulgari cologne. She'll say yes, it's a long story but she will say yes. :)
Or like what NY Yankees has said, the outcall girls. But I have never tried them before.
Good luck.
I'm finally heading to Seoul next Wednesday.
Minneapolis has nothing at all!!! :(
Sincerely,
New World Order
TheContinental
08-03-03, 06:58
Someone reminded me of a good point: There are more than just Korean girls in Korea. There are also a lot of Japanese girls around, especially in the Spring and Summer time. I know that they tend to hang out in the clothing markets at night (Dongdaemun, not Namdaemun), and go carousing with one another in Kangnam. Also, there are many Japanese language teachers in Seoul from Japan.
But, my experience, and from what I have heard, is they are very difficult to catch in Korea. Not sure why, maybe because they are employees, and not young college girls (late 20s vs. early 20s). However, persistence can pay off.
Also, anyone have any housewife stories they w ould like to share? Advice on such? C'mon, don't hold back.
Went to YJK, thought was worth the distance. It takes me 2 hrs. to get there from seoul. Take orange line to bulwang. Walk towards Shibu bus station. Get on bus 30 say to atashi YJK Bus fee is 2100w. Got black balled by some of the ladies for being foreigner. I am Chinese American. One of the girls said that they only take Koreans. And some said they would take Japanese. One tried to charge me a foreigner fee fo 90W. I just took off. I noticed they are pretty rigid on the price of 70W YJK for 1/2 hour service. I've been there about 5 times. And could haggle for 60W for half hour. I guess the time of day and the girl are factors too. But for the service, cleanliness, looks of the girls. YJK blows Miari, Chang yang ri, Yongsan.
Miari- girls are usually short and the rooms are closets. The girls sitting there with the wedding dresses seems depressing. While the mamasans try to drag you in there. Will take foreigner as long as your well groomed. Generally will give you more service than Chang yang ri. And probaly the biggest rld in Seoul(Gireum station off exit 10)
Chang yang ri- Supposivily one or the best rld's in Asia. I think service varies too much from girl to girl. Basically hit or miss? They will not take foreigners, unless Korean, Japanese or Chinese. They have foreign section like Yongsan full of used up ajumas. 60W for 10-15 min and the younger and prettier they are the service genarally dips off. My advice is to look for the that comes for you. Because the young and pretty ones probaly get the most won are less in desire to do anything but make won. (Chang yang ri exit. Left facing the Lotte dept. store entrance) Can't miss it.
I also went to Finkle in Kangnam. I know this place will take foreigners but a bit pricey for 120W including tip. Service is good. Forgot the girls name. There are other posts with the directions to Finkle. Hope this helps out..
Hi Everyone,
Totally neophyte to this board, hence this is my virgin post.
Please forgive my inappropriatness.
In any event, I am traveling all around Asia for business and this time I am going to Seoul for a few days.
I will be staying at Hotel Seokyo (near the old Intl. airport Kimpo)
Does anyone know any good spots in or near this area.
In any event I will check out the scene for the rest of us.
If I don't get your comments in time.
Happy Hunting!
Equasian
Hi New World Order,
Since you seem to know your way around Seoul, do you know any good area near the Kimpo aiport or by the Hotel Seokyo where I will be staying for a few days.
Thanks
Equasian
Originally posted by New World Order
Greetings Rene02,
Where in Seoul will you be staying?
You made a post under "other areas" and you said that you will be in Seoul for two days.
Well, in that case, I'd say try Pinkle. There are probably 50 posts related to this place. I recommend So Hyun. If she says no to you, tell her that you are a friend of a Korean. Tell her that your Korean friend (me) wears Bulgari cologne. She'll say yes, it's a long story but she will say yes. :)
Or like what NY Yankees has said, the outcall girls. But I have never tried them before.
Good luck.
I'm finally heading to Seoul next Wednesday.
Minneapolis has nothing at all!!! :(
Sincerely,
New World Order
Thanks NWO for your help.
I will stay 3 nights in Seoul (Oct 5th - 8th), then will take the tour to visit the MT Diamond in the North and do some hiking.
Then I will take a hotel downtown. I just need to find a good one, and to check if they allow me to take a woman to my room.
I would like to get a nice girl for the night, I guess my budget for that is around 500 USD (don't really know in Won.)
I will browse the forum and try to find something good.
If any of you have a recommendation for an hotel (around 70 - 90 USD per night) safe and where I can bring the girl, I would greatly appreciate.
New World Order
08-05-03, 08:10
Originally posted by Rene02
Thanks NWO for your help.
I will stay 3 nights in Seoul (Oct 5th - 8th), then will take the tour to visit the MT Diamond in the North and do some hiking.
Then I will take a hotel downtown. I just need to find a good one, and to check if they allow me to take a woman to my room.
I would like to get a nice girl for the night, I guess my budget for that is around 500 USD (don't really know in Won.)
I will browse the forum and try to find something good.
If any of you have a recommendation for an hotel (around 70 - 90 USD per night) safe and where I can bring the girl, I would greatly appreciate. Hi there Rene02
You are allowed to take a girl to a hotel. If they ask (which they do not, but if they do), just tell them that she is your girlfriend. :)
So you are staying at downtown Seoul? As for RLD. Miari would be your best bet. IT shall be around a 15 minutes taxi ride from downtown.
Or you may call an escort. But they are hit/miss. At the RLD (Miari), you can have the girl for the whle night for around 500 US dollars. But you have to take to all the way to your place and then take her back to Miari. It sounds like a hassle to me so I would stick with an escort.
I am sorry but I do not know any hotels in the Seoul area for 70-90 dollars. You may want to contact a tourism center in Seoul and ask. There is a tourism center in Itaewon.
I'm sorry I am no help to you. :(
Since you will be stayin in Seoul for only 3days, I recommend Itaewon. There is a place called Hooker Hill but they pressure you to buy drinks. But theyare foreign-friendly.
Or you can hit the bars or clubs in Itaewon. The Koreans girls are there to meet foreign guys.
Itawon is about a 10-15 ride from downtown.
Good luck:)
Sincerely,
New World Order
New World Order
08-05-03, 08:15
Originally posted by China Boi
Went to YJK, thought was worth the distance. It takes me 2 hrs. to get there from seoul. Take orange line to bulwang. Walk towards Shibu bus station. Get on bus 30 say to atashi YJK Bus fee is 2100w. Got black balled by some of the ladies for being foreigner. I am Chinese American. One of the girls said that they only take Koreans. And some said they would take Japanese. One tried to charge me a foreigner fee fo 90W. I just took off. I noticed they are pretty rigid on the price of 70W YJK for 1/2 hour service. I've been there about 5 times. And could haggle for 60W for half hour. I guess the time of day and the girl are factors too. But for the service, cleanliness, looks of the girls. YJK blows Miari, Chang yang ri, Yongsan.
Miari- girls are usually short and the rooms are closets. The girls sitting there with the wedding dresses seems depressing. While the mamasans try to drag you in there. Will take foreigner as long as your well groomed. Generally will give you more service than Chang yang ri. And probaly the biggest rld in Seoul(Gireum station off exit 10)
Chang yang ri- Supposivily one or the best rld's in Asia. I think service varies too much from girl to girl. Basically hit or miss? They will not take foreigners, unless Korean, Japanese or Chinese. They have foreign section like Yongsan full of used up ajumas. 60W for 10-15 min and the younger and prettier they are the service genarally dips off. My advice is to look for the that comes for you. Because the young and pretty ones probaly get the most won are less in desire to do anything but make won. (Chang yang ri exit. Left facing the Lotte dept. store entrance) Can't miss it.
I also went to Finkle in Kangnam. I know this place will take foreigners but a bit pricey for 120W including tip. Service is good. Forgot the girls name. There are other posts with the directions to Finkle. Hope this helps out.. Greetings China Boi
Next time when you go to Pinkle, just pay100,000 won.
That mamasan is chargingyou 20,000 won more.
I went there yesterday. So Heon is gone until late August. Usually when a working girl is out for that lon, it is not a god sign (e.g. family member is sick, physical problem, etc.) I just hopeshe feels better.
Anyway, nxt time, just pay 100,000 won. And save the 20,000 or a nice dinner at the COEX area. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
New World Order
08-05-03, 08:17
Originally posted by Equasian
Hi New World Order,
Since you seem to know your way around Seoul, do you know any good area near the Kimpo aiport or by the Hotel Seokyo where I will be staying for a few days.
Thanks
Equasian Greetings Equasian,
I am sorry but I am not familiar with the Kimpo airport area.
How long will you be in Seoul?
I guess your best bet will beeither Itaewon or a nearby barbershop or message parlor.
Look for a place that has a sign --> ¾È¸¶, ¸¶»çÁö.
Good luck.
Sincerely,
New World Order
As well, if anyone had a good experience with outcall service, let me know.
I am trying to get a girl to my hotel, which I suppose will be in Itaewon or Kangnam (what is the best ?).
I forgot to mention that I do not speak any work of Korean, and I am Caucasian.
Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Gentlemen:
Gosh it takes a long time to get approved to post! Oh well, it's probably a good idea, though my perspective on some issues on this board has been burning me, trying to leap onto the computer screen.
Okay, I've been following this whole Yonjugol train, and I've got some insight I'd like to share as to why they don't like anyone not Korean.
First off, one poster mentioned something very true, that no one has commented on, YJG is literally a stone's throw from Camp Stanton, a US military post. No one, in their right mind, would EVER come to the YJG area except for two reasons: one, the reason that brings us to this board, and two, the reason I'm here in Korea, I'm a US service member. YJG is off-limits for US soldiers, but the proximity of Camp Stanton to YJG probably makes many of the Korean working ladies think that their non-Korean visitors may be US Army, who is not welcome there. We never have been, since YJG was originally established as a play-area for the many ROK Army camps in the local area, and as they make $15 a month, can't compete with even a lowly private in the US Army making $1000. Now, the reason is more antipathy towards US soldiers and the US in general rather than money. And even if you don't have a crewcut and so forth, you still could be associated with Stanton, it's an aviation post, and has civilian contractors who work there who don't have to conform to Army regs on hair and weight and so forth.
Secondly, let's talk about Itaewon: Why has it gone downhill? 4 years ago, last time I was in Korea, it was a blast, we went there all the time. Now, why bother? When you've got MP's walking around with clubs, checking out the places to make sure no fun is happening, why WOULD anyone want to hang out there? Additionally, and this is a recent occurrence (last 7 months or so) a HUGE number of clubs in Itaewon were put off limits to GI's. Mostly for selling sex, but in some cases for other activities (violence, etc.) I can list them if anybody is interested, but the number exceeds 25. We're even made to carry a card that lists the clubs that are illegal, and it's no laughing matter if you get caught. How, those of you not in the military may ask, is it a BAD thing to get rid of all the obnoxious GI's? Wouldn't that make Itaewon a better place? Well, yes, part of the reason I don't go there (or Tongducheon, or Uijeongbu) is that I don't like to hang around GI's, and I am one. But think about this, all of a sudden the entire garrison at Yongsan, all of 2nd Infantry Division up north, all of Camp Humphries, all of those soldiers all of a sudden get a list of 25 clubs that are off limits, and they could go to jail if they go in them. Hmm, are YOU going to even bother with Itaewon? NO! You're going to spend your money elsewhere. And though some (nay, MOST) would be happier with GI's going elsewhere, when Itaewon loses that money, it hurts everyone who goes there. Hell, even Hollywood (which 4 years ago was a haunt of mine) doesn't even allow GI's in anymore.
Anyways, just wanted to add some insight into those two things, several posts I've seen have been wondering, and I hope it helps. I now have other places I hang out in Seoul, and I haven't been doing too much shopping, but I'm not adverse to pay for play. If anyone knows anything about places you can get multiple partners, be it in Itaewon, Kangnam, Miari, wherever, I'd be very interested. Korean girls, by themselves, aren't that hard to hook up with, the multiple thing wouldn't happen without professionals, though.
I do appreciate hearing about places like 588 and Miari and YJG, even though YJG is WAY out of bounds for me, and 588 it sounds like has changed a lot (I enjoyed some times there 4 years ago, but it sounds like with the political climate, it has changed quite a bit. The most beautiful women I've ever seen in Korea, though, wow). Please keep up the reports, and hopefully I'll be able to send a good one of my own here soon.
Thanks,
Saber
Will be visiting Seoul next Mon and will be there for 4 days. Was wondering whether there are any good places to pick up girls? I will be staying at the Westin Chosun. Any help given will be very much appreciated.
Thanks
Aikon
Nwo, paid 100,000 w at Ffinkle. The girl requested a 20,000 tip. I think places at Kangnam are expensive. That's why I like YJK Yonjugul. The girls will do more for your money! ass rim, gfe, they give you more time,showers, tongue massage and a real bedroom; Not a flea infested closet. Rlds in Seoul are too into the SOP. I get rejected at YJK 3/4 of the time. But so what. That's life! Some girls at YJK will do you if you are Asian descent. E.g. Kyobo, Asian America, of Korean, Chinese and Japanese. I know the steroetypes. And I don't want to start a new thread on race issues in South Korea. I am guest here. And I play by their rules.
TheContinental
08-09-03, 01:32
Cabarets! That is what I was thinking of a while back, but could not think of the word. They are everywhere in Seoul.
In any case, if anyone here knows how to ballroom dance, then Cabarets are the place to go if you want to get laid. Granted, the women are not the greatest of lookers, but I wonder how many models are on this board?
I know that Salsa dancing (beside oil, Mexico's only useful export) is popular in Seoul, but cabarets are much more decadent, sleazy and interesting than Salsa venues.
"A cabaret at every subway stop, a nice housewife waiting whenever you want." That's what I always say.
TheContinental
08-09-03, 20:47
Saber47,
Yes, and so what has happened now that half of Itaewan is off-limits? A lot of these GIs (assinine most) have hit other areas, like Hongdae. They have made those places a mess, as well. They have acted in such a way that many places in Hongdae have barred GIs from entering.
My perspective is this (based on observation, not opinon): While most soldiers cause problems, I have noticed that Black and ethnic soldiers cause most observed problems. Not individually, but when they are in groups. I have seen black military gangs fighting one and another in the streets of Itaewan, Latinos harassing anyone they can (when in groups). I have seen lone ESL teachers get mobbed by these gangs. It's ridiculous.
In any case, the last time I was in Itaewan, the clubs were still packed Fri and Sat nights.
While I support the US military, they need to be placed away from population centers, or least mandated to participate in cultural education programs.
I know I will get insulted for this post, but so be it.
someone mentioned cabarets. local koreans go to nightclubs (some in kangnam gu) were the waiters will take female customers to your table to matchmake. last time i was there with my korean friends, we left the club with three ladies but i was also hit on by a group of young women who were dancing. but you need to go to the club with koreans. on rlds, i don't really look korean but am asian american so not all rlds will serve me. i speak korean and the rld ladies have told me the hassle of peer pressure and local guys prohibit some from seeing foreigners; not that the pretty ones need the business anyways.
on massage places or sports massages, they will take foreigners and i've been to about 15 of them (sort of pricey)and dated some of the cute ones there.
itaewon has steadily gone downhill especially after the olympics. today's stars & stripes newspaper lists all the clubs that are off-limits to military. but all that means is you won't be bumping into many military dudes in these clubs. some club owners said they don't cater to military anyways and prefer the buisinessmen.
someone asked about outcalls, i used the outcalls (massage will travel) listed in the local korean (english version) newspaper and had gotten good luck a couple years ago, they'll go to the hotel.
No one, in their right mind, would EVER come to the YJG area except for two reasons: one, the reason that brings us to this board, and two, the reason I'm here in Korea, I'm a US service member. YJG is off-limits for US soldiers. Let me guess you live your life by the bullshit rules they came up with in the Warrior Standard Handbook? I feel sorry for all the rest of my fellow soldiers that are missing out on the fun times here in Korea. I have been to YGJ,Miari and588 before and recommend them to my friends. There fun places to go to. I took someone to Bopwon-Ri on weds and he had a good time also. I live my life by my rules not anyone elses. Nothing is off limits to me. Perhaps if you changed your appearance you might have more fun? I grow my hair extremely long and would never be caught dead with a ridiculous looking G.I haircut. I never get turned away from anyplace where G.I's are not allowed.
Well, yes, part of the reason I don't go there (or Tongducheon, or Uijeongbu) is that I don't like to hang around GI's, and I am one. I agree those places are disgusting. If you go everywhere by yourself like I do you wouldn't have to worry about it.
To all,
Here is the low down of my past few days in Seoul:
As my earlier post, I was on business at the Hotel Seokyo that just happens to be in the center of town next to Honggik University.
I was accompanied by a local person so I have no idea of the rates at the following places:
Hotel Seo Seokyo: basement massage parlor.
Looks pretty much standard sauna. After a quick shower , I went into a curtained off area, where a nice looking girl (7/10) a little heavy. went on to give a good massage for 40 min. and the casually hand signal for the finale. (HJ) .
This next place is much nicer:
In Youeidong area next to Hotel Entima basement (again)
You find a receptoin and you go straight to a somewhat beautifully decorated room with a tub and a massage bed.
The girls (very nice 8/10) undresses you and take you to the tub where she washes your whole body. After that she does hers. Then you lay flat on the massage bed where she rubs some some soaps with her breasts and then she does Fire and Ice on your whole body. She delicately put the rubber and proceeds to get you aroused. Afterwards she straddles you until the end. You can change position. Aftewars that you go back to the shower and then she finishes the hour with a massage.
Overall these two experiences were not so bad except that both girls could not speak a word of English.
Hope this helps. this being my first post, feel free to ask questions or provide your two cents.
Happy H.
Equasian
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Hey Hey
wussup everyone.
I am really not down with the RLDs. The girls there seem to be too clinical. When it comes to sex I like everyone to have a good time. The fakeness of it all leaves me going home a bit unsatisfied....
However I am down with a clinical session of HJ and BJ.
I like the concept of the barbershop poles. Nice massage and then a nice happy ending with HJ and BJ at the end.
I have been to a couple. The women there were ok...Around 6 I guess. I was a bit drunk both times I went so I tolerated it.
Anyways...Does anyone have any advice on some good Barbershop pole places?
I have seen quite a few around Shinchon area. How about those? I know they are pretty much hit or mis...anyone hit a good one?
I keep reading about finkle, and see that the price there is about KRW 100,000. What if you don't want the sex? How much is it then??
Alright thanks
-Jigga
NY Yankees
08-11-03, 06:35
Originally posted by jiggaman
I keep reading about finkle, and see that the price there is about KRW 100,000. What if you don't want the sex? How much is it then??
I suspect, even if you wanted a HJ or a BJ it will be the same price. They charge you by the time, not by what you do.
Originally posted by NY Yankees
I suspect, even if you wanted a HJ or a BJ it will be the same price. They charge you by the time, not by what you do.
Yeah I understand that....But usually the going rate is 60,000.
60,000 is the going rate for the RLD and the Barbershop places...
I know the MASSAGE Places are around 150,000 but they do a lot more and you can spend like all night there.
In terms of Finkle, do they give you a massage and then "pleasure"...or do people just go straight to business?
Usually those Barbershop places don't offer more than a HJ/BJ...so I was assuming b/c many of you got more you had to pay more for it...
NY Yankees
08-11-03, 12:08
Jiggaman,
I'm not sure what the exact rate is for a barbershop but think it's 80,000-100,000(depending on the location). I know for sure they are slightly more expensive than RLDs.
At pinkle they start off with a massage(if you can call it that)at a barber chair and you'll be proceeded to shower and a small room where you get the extra. But I've only been there once and so others might be able to enlighten you more.
Most barbershops that I know offer more than HJ/BJ, so's the word on the streets amongst Koreans. But I guess there are a few that only engage in HJ/BJ, but I somehow doubt that.
Massage place that charges 150,000? Where the hell is that? And you can pretty much spend the whole night there? That doesn't sound right... If you stay longer you have to pay more; that's the rule in turkishbath/massage parlor and pretty much everywhere you pay for service.
I know for a fact that most turkish bath/massage places in Kangnam cost nothing less than 180,000.
Ok guys,
I have spent hours reading most of the post of this forum, which gives me already a correct picture of the city. To summarize, I guess it is right to say that there are:
- barbershops, rather cheap, but older and lower quality girls, no FS, some are foreigner-friendly
- meeting/business rooms with upscale gilrs, foreigner- UNfriendly, very expensive
- bath, like the famous Finkler, which are in basement of hotels or not, foreigner-freindly, correct service for a regular price
- the RLD such as YGJ,Miari and588, the later one beeing foreigner-UNfriendly. service depends on the place... but rather quick and no GFE.
So what I still miss to get a full vision of the place before I go there, is how to organize myself. I would need more advice on outcall service to hotel, as apparently it looks that the service is for Koreans only! If not, I would be pleased to the a good website or phone number to book a girl. Then I don't know which hotel to take....
Talking about hotels, is it worth considering hotels like the Dynasty, the New World, ... service downstair, but do I get the woman in my room for the night ? If I book a good hotel, like the Hyatt, Renaissance, etc.. can I ring the bell to get a girl ? They all have clubs, do they have girls who would go to my room, like they do for example in the Hyatt club in Dubai ?
So I'm kinda lost so far...
I'll stay from Oct 14th - 16th and 18th-20th....
So any good advice for me, white male English speaker would be great. I am considering up to 200k won for a nice service, and more for the night with multiple fuck and GFE.
thanks guys. Maybe we could even meet there if we have same interest, and around same age... I am 30.
cheers
I had one outcall experience when I called for a friend, the girl was average but service was normal. The problem with outcall is that the person on the phone will not speak English, so unless someone can call for you, they will just hang up. Unless someone knows of an English speaking one, you might be out of luck.
I haven't seen a hotel in Korea, that offers girls to your room yet, maybe others can enlighten us on the subject.
I have an outcall experience in Busan. I checked into a motel(yeo-kwan) to stay overnight, I believe the rate was 40,000 won per night. Anyways, the business cards(those ones found all over the streets with sexy gilrs and a cell phone number on it) were placed at the motel entrance so I picked one and present it to the motel manager ajussi when I checked in. It didn't take too long to make him understand that I wanted him to call them and ask for a girl to be sent over. By pointing at my wallet constantly when he was on the line, I managed to find out the asking rate was 50,000 won for whatever they offered. It sounded a little too good to be true but I just thought the ajussi got a local rate.
In about half an hour, a girl showed up at my door and the girl was as big as a baby elephant. I politely blocked her at the door and gave her 5000 won for obvious reasons. She seemed to be pissed off and gave me that peace sign asking me 20,000. For what???? I was about to be pissed off myself but I smiled again and gave her 10,000 and gently closed the door on her.
I guess outcalls are hit or miss.
ok... so I will forget about outcall service.
I will try Finkle.
I think I could find a good hotel, the Hotel Riviera, 5 stard, for about 150 USD the night. Located next to the Korea World Trade Center (?), I guess the place is correct. I have seen on their website they have massage rooms and baths, so I expect some action. If not, I will go to Dynasty hotel.
cheers
NY Yankees
08-12-03, 13:27
Originally posted by Rene02
I have seen on their website they have massage rooms and baths, so I expect some action. If not, I will go to Dynasty hotel.
cheers
I think Dynasty hotel bathhouse is closed for good(or for a long time). I don't know about now but they haven't been operating since April. Latest update on this forum indicates that they are still closed, but don't take my word.
Originally posted by Rene02
ok... so I will forget about outcall service.
I will try Finkle.
...
cheers I was in Kangnam area the other night and I thought I'd give Finkle a try after all the raves on the site.
I guess I got there during there "dead time" -- around 9 pm. In any case, most of the girls were sleeping and I got a chunky gal to give me the brief massage. The whole time I was hoping she was just the massage girl. But no :( To her credit, she gave a mean BJ.
If you're used to relaxed GFE incall experience in the States you will be disappointed. YMMV.
I guess you've read all the reports but for a "foreign" guy I would have thought that you would consider a hotel bar for a true pro or even finding a Korean speaking buddy to go to a BukChangDong (area near City Hall across from Samsung's HQ) business club based on some steamy reviews earlier by a "foreign" guy I think. At least it will be a relatively unique experience and much more memorable than a massage parlor.
Just my $0.02
Seoul Blade
08-14-03, 18:39
To follow up with what Kern2 asked, are there any good bars or dance clubs you guys know (that's NOT in Shitaewon--please pardon my french ^ ^) where a guy can chill, talk with, or pick up non-pro girls? Specific club names (and directions) would definitely be appreciated. (I know people just point to an area but don't list specific clubs names or directions there)
For example, what specific places exactly in HongDae could one go (and the directions to get there). Any good techno/trance clubs? hip hop or anything else is okay too...just any place that's not in Itaewon is fine by me.
One more thing is that I am the type of person who prefers to go to bars or clubs either with just one other person or even alone, so if you know of any places a lone guy could go for fun (hopefully if the price cover is reasonable too) I'd really appreciate it.
Also, out of request from my Korean gyopo friend who just came to Seoul last week, this question goes out to the Korean posters in this forum: what good Korean dance clubs do you guys go to to pick up girls (again directions please) what i mean by this is that he wants to know of some strictly Korean (or mostly Korean) clubs. That nut =) For my sake though, please let me know if they are even remotely foreigner friendly, thanks. Ideally I'd wanna go with him but if they don't accept foreigners it's cool. I'm a mixed asian, if that means anything. in any case, please let me know so I can tell him those places.
Thanks!
Originally posted by Rene02
thanks seoulman... so which other place you would highly recommend ?
As the Dynasty hotel bath seems to be closed, which would be the best for a foreigner ? I have heard about the Central and the Crown.. ?
thanks
well most barbershops around the ritz carlton will take foriegners
acually most barbershops take foreigners..
but.. it is hit or miss with the girls.. they dont allow you to view the girls first.. but I guess if she is brut ugly which she wouldnt be you could complain to the manager..
as for full on massage parlours..
well.. dynasty was the best place for foreigners..
200.000 was hard to beat.. check the archives you will find some places,, I havent been for a while so I am not the best one to give advice..
TheContinental
08-17-03, 17:35
Originally posted by SeoulBlade
To follow up with what Kern2 asked, are there any good bars or dance clubs you guys know where a guy can chill, talk with, or pick up non-pro girls? Short answer: I think this depends on what kind of person you are. I mean, being foreign means being outgoing, and that is what Koreans expect from Americans. Korean ladies do not date non-Koreans who act like Koreans--they do so because they want something different.
You can chill anywhere, and talk to people anytime, assuming you know Korean. If you don't know Korean, there is no point going out to a Korean bar; Stick with Shinchon, Hongdae or Itaewan.
For example, what specific places exactly in HongDae could one go. Any good techno/trance clubs? hip hop or anything else is okay too...just any place that's not in Itaewon is fine by me. The alleyway of clubs nearest to the #7 line subway has now been designated a tourist area by the Seoul Metro gov. It is right by the Family Mart. It's no secret. They occasionally have group rates when one ticket will get you into a bunch of clubs.
This question goes out to the Korean posters in this forum: what good Korean dance clubs do you guys go to to pick up girls. what I mean by this is that he wants to know of some strictly Korean (or mostly Korean) clubs. For my sake though, please let me know if they are even remotely foreigner friendly.
Thanks! Hongdae has no discriminatory clubs. So, I guess you're out of luck. Chong-no 3-ga and 2-ga have Korean clubs, and they probably have some real A #1 stunnas. We're talking big money though. Also try the Apkujong subway, going out the southernmost exit (Hyundae Dept store is the wrong way).
Itaewan has a FEW Korean clubs, and I say they are Korean in that no sane foreigner would pay the money they ask for the "anju."
Basically, there are clubs all over. One I have always been curious about, but never visited, was one south of Chonggak station near the former Kolon sports store. Entrance is above ground, but club is below ground.
Most hotels now offer pricey (50,000 entrance) trance nights at least once a month, as Koreans have been really into this scene the last few years.
The fourth friday of every month is club night in Hongdae where 10,000 won will give you admittance to 10 different clubs. The music varies from club to club but there is something there for everyone.
Originally posted by TheContinental
Hongdae has no discriminatory clubs. So, I guess you're out of luck. . Think again!!
Koreans are racist and rude and their government officials fall into that catagory. Also, there are no laws to prevent racial discrimantion or discrimination.
There are many bars which dont allow foreigners, and mamny bars which make us pay double.
Koreans have a long way to go, the sad thing is, they are educating the young ones to be racist!
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yeh, it seems strange that no on here has started a website with pics (at least not in english) maybe there are some in Korean??
www.worknplay.co.kr is a site that has pics and small reviews of bars and clubs in Korea. It will be expanding with video footage of the places and soundfiles of the resident dj's sets..if anyone has any regular bars or clubs that you want to see profiled, contact
barsclubs@worknplay.co.kr
it would be interesting to do the same with the best bars/massage/barber shop places here..all we need is a digital camera and some webspace...would be happy to help if a few people are interested...
there is a guy in england who started doing reviews of massage parlours around the country..expanded and now he gets the goods for free in return for reviewing them in the magazine....
If we got a Korean member to help us out maybe we could do the same thing!! - obviously this is massive wishful thinking on my part..but hey, I can dream..:)
BukChangDong Report
Went to a "Business Club" in BukChangDong.
Getting there:
BCD is a strip of these clubs across from Samsung's main building near City Hall.
The Dealio
Basically the deal is you pay about $400+ (you must negotiate with the man-in-charge!) for a party of 2 -- You get 2 bottles of scotch, free beer and mixers and snacks plus of course two ladies of your choosing. I have not been to Gangnam clubs, but I'm told that the ladies in BCD are not as attractive. However, what you lose in quality you get in "activity" (again from what I'm told relatively).
The guy will bring girls by and you can give em a thumbs-up or down. If none suits your taste, you can just leave -- Usually no hard feelings (ha ha pun not intended).
The girls will pretty much strip naked and dance with you sing songs and give you a lapdance etc for an hour and a half or so then the end the session with a BJ/HJ.
The experience
The girls' routine is very choreographed and I felt it lacked any real erotic / exotic elements. You feel like you're with a fem-bot albeit neked.
I'm still looking for a real "pro" GFE-type experience in Seoul (and I can't make it out to YJG)
NY Yankees
08-23-03, 15:28
Originally posted by AMPM
I'm planning an all Asia trip and going to hit up Bankok, China, Taipei, HK and Singapore. Any ideas as to what a Korean guy would like at these places? Already checked the individual cities on this forum and seems like most of the places are catered to white people. Are there any places in those selected cities where an Asian man can slip through? If you are asian, I think it will honestly be easier for you.
I have some infos about Bangkok(although I've never been there)but according to many of my friends who's been there it's really a can't miss place no matter what race you are.
Singapore, I'll have to say is alittle pricey and not as fun as others. Most people in singapore go over to either Indonesia or Malaysia for some fun.
How about Malaysia? I'm currently in KL and this in one place I can give hell lot of information about. Of course not as great as Thailand but it isn't too bad either. And it cheaper than seoul.
BTW, are you Korean?
Old Aussie Guy
08-23-03, 17:42
I just read a report by you guys saying that the dynasty had closed. I was planning to go there last night and instead got taken out to a place just round the corner from the Renaissance Hotel - brilliant - much better than Dynasty ever was.
180K won - same price for cash or credit card - no discrimination to westerners. The girls are much younger - the girl I had was 23 and an absolute stunner - tall, short hair, great body, and although it was my first time there I was told by the locals that nearly all the girls are the same quality at this place. The place does not look that old, the rooms are nicely furnished and it does not have that 70's look of the Dynasty - if you care about such stuff.
Starts off with a 1 hour massage by a blind woman - if you've never had one - very relaxing. Then you get taken to another room where the action starts. (this may have been reversed I think I picked up that due to the time of night, the girls were busy and I had to have the massage first - so don't be disconcerted) Similar to Dynasty in terms of the showering etc etc. At the end the girls expects to give you another massage - much more gentle than the blind woman who screwed up a disc in my back. (still hurts)
Finally when you are leaving you get a card with a stamp on it. After ten visits you are able to claim a freebie - I will definately be going back. As my girlfriend here cannot read Korean I advised her when she found card in my wallet the following day that this was a new coffee shop card.
I'm really sorry about this, but because the night was very late (and I had had a skinful of alcohol) I cannot remember the name of the place or enough description to tell you how to get there. I'll try to post again in the next couple of days. However I knew enough to walk nearly 1/2 hour home, so should be able to find it again without too much trouble.
General comment on barbershops - I usually avoid them. The girls are older and the service varies on the price and location. My local friends inform me that barbershops are trying to re-invent themselves at present, where fs was out of the question before, it happens more frequently now. Best bet is to go with a local who has been to a particular place before and therefore knows exactly what is going to happen. Being specific and detailed avoids lingering disappointment.
New World Order
08-23-03, 18:34
Never go to a RLD between the hours of 12am-3am (especially during Fridays and Saturdays).
Too many drunkin men, and there are very few girls to choose from.
Besides, the girls tend to rush you during these hours.
So the best times to go are Sunday through Thursday 7pm until 10pm. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
I was driving in Kangnam today on my way to Coex...
And I noticed there was an establishment...It said:
"American Style Gentleman's Club and Caberet"
Has anyone been there? Or heard of the place? I am all down with a good ol strip club. I like a good tease....
Let me know if anyone knows about the place or any other strip clubs...
NY Yankees
08-25-03, 05:16
Originally posted by New World Order
Never go to a RLD between the hours of 12am-3am (especially during Fridays and Saturdays).
So the best times to go are Sunday through Thursday 7pm until 10pm. :)
I would say the best time to go would be between 8pm -11pm on fridays and saturdays. Virtually every house on the streets are open on that day and not to mention most number of girls.
But as you've mentioned, I preferred to go on the weekdays.
Oh, sunday is not really a good day cause most houses are closed(well atleast in 588) and there aren't too many ladies. And I do think it's the least busiest day. It's pretty much empty till 10pm.
It might be different at YJG but I wouldn't know.
Hi, I am going to be in Seoul for the first time from 9/26/03 to 10/06/03, will be going with a korean speaking friend. What kind of plan you suggest? I will be staying in hotel, budget is $100, any hotel recommendation? I found a site www.korearooms.com, you think I could get a better rate booking on the internet or should I book when I get to Seoul.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Seoul Blade
08-26-03, 01:23
Anyone know of any good Russian shops/parlors in the Seoul/local area?
I'm trying to avoid the random Russian girls in the bars (the ones I saw so far were quite nasty) and would like to find an actual establishment (MP, barber, etc.) that has some fine Russian girls..
Or are those places with Russian girls strictly catered to Korean businessmen only?
TheContinental? Mookman? NYY? Anyone have any info? Any info on Russian lovelies would be greatly appreciated. :)
I'm leaving the show for now since I will be going to the states for some vacation time.
I think it basically boils down to this, as mentioned before. Even prostitutes can choose who they have sex with, just like any person can choose. Whatever it might be, discrimination, bias, ignorance, either way, just because they are a prostitutes doesn't negate that they can choose their sex partners.
Once we accept this, there's nothing else to discuss.
I just think most people are reading too much about mongering instead of going out and doing it. That's the problem with all this tension.
Anyway, good luck to all. I'll post in the near future with any more adventures in Korea but I may be headed around other parts of Asia more often now.
As Dynasty seems to be closed, which bath would you recommend, for foreigner ?
Has anyone tried the health club in the Sofitel AMbassador ?
NY Yankees
08-26-03, 15:37
Originally posted by SeoulBlade
Anyone know of any good Russian shops/parlors in the Seoul/local area?
Or are those places with Russian girls strictly catered to Korean businessmen only?
Sorry, would love to help but I too have only heard about Russian girls in the places you have mentioned.
I didn't even know there were such establishments that only catered to korean businessmen. Where is this place? Maybe I can find out something.
TheContinental
08-27-03, 01:17
Yeah, the Hyatt would be a good place to go if you are just in town for afew days, or the Hilton. But don't go there with a budget! Many times you must be both goodlooking and a big spender to get girls to go with you. I have seen a lot of hakwan teachers in their jeans and sweaters trying out the Hyatt, and a budget doesn't cut it.
A lot of business people hang at the Hyatt, and those working long-term in Seoul freqeunt the place knowing they will be able to find girls as they are businessmen and professionals with skills.
Russian Strip joints: Yes, there are strip joints in Itaewan, you just have to look for them. There are/were two that I know of: one was all-Russian, and totally empty/devoid of punters all the time up past the old fire station on the steep set of steps ; the second was a mix of nationalities, but only heard about it. The guy who told me about it said all the girsl were like "Give me your number I will call you" after the show.
Seoul Blade
08-27-03, 05:46
Originally posted by NY Yankees
Sorry, would love to help but I too have only heard about Russian girls in the places you have mentioned.
I didn't even know there were such establishments that only catered to korean businessmen. Where is this place? Maybe I can find out something. So far from what I have seen, the Russian girls favor the Korean businessmen..of course they go for foreigners too but I tend to see more of Russian girls often having a purely Korean clientele--maybe the idea that those businessmen got more money, can't blame them I guess.
But anyway, I see Russian girls at random bars and clubs..I haven't been to Club International in Itaewon but from what I hear that place is full of Russian girls hooking up with Korean businessmen only(?). Maybe since you're Korean, you can check that place out for me? :)
All I want is to find a nice actual establishment to choose Russians in Seoul and not try to solicit these "semi-streetwalker" type Russian girls in sleeze bars. Anybody got any info? Much is appreciated.
Hi everyone,
After a long time in Ulsan I had a stopover in Seoul. Ulsan is a boring city from the sex point of view. No action ! And believe me, I walked upp and down all kind of roads. No SW, nothing ! Not even the night bars have any action.
Seoul is better. Close to the Renessaince Hotel, on the back side where the restaurants are, you find a lot of guys offering girls to you. I bargained down from 200$ to 110$/2 hours for nice and young Korean girls and took them to the hotel. They were all experts on BBBJ and the other things I can tell you.
Also, they offered Russians girls for about 150$. But I had some before in Europe. Mostly, they are not only bad looking but also poor performers. And being in Asia you take a Korean, what I believe are the most beautiful women in Asia (together with Vietnamese).
//Bide59
NY Yankees
08-27-03, 18:58
Originally posted by SeoulBlade
But anyway, I see Russian girls at random bars and clubs..I haven't been to Club International in Itaewon but from what I hear that place is full of Russian girls hooking up with Korean businessmen only(?). Maybe since you're Korean, you can check that place out for me? :)
I would love to help you out but too bad I'm not in korea at the moment! :(
Will probably be back in seoul by end of this year.
I did ask some of my friends back in seoul about Russian girls but they told me the same thing as you did. Mostly around Itaewon and that's all they knew about.
These Russian girls, what do they speak? English? Korean?
And how much do most charge anyway?
Good luck in your further search!
NY Yankees
08-27-03, 19:01
Originally posted by TheContinental
the second was a mix of nationalities, but only heard about it. The guy who told me about it said all the girsl were like "Give me your number I will call you" after the show.
Any chance you might be able to find out the location of this place? Sounds interesting! Thanks.
Member #1164
08-27-03, 21:54
Hello all I am going to Korea in October and was wondering how the weather is and also where I can get me some porn dvd's
Thanks
Walking around the Westin Chosun tonight, I crossed the street bordering the hotel (to your left when leaving the hotel) and immediately came across one area, and one street in particular whose name I could not find, filled with "business clubs". Pretty girls were visible at the entrance of most of them.
There must 30 to 50 clubs at least, pretty much side by side. The street was filled with business people coming in and out. Since I was wearing jeans and a T-shirt, the guys standing outside did not ask me to go in, of course. It looked more like the suit required type of places.
Does anyone have experience with this kind of place. I imagine they are expensive, although I do not know what expensive is in Seoul, and I am wondering if you take the girls out from these places? Are they KTV types?
Maybe someone else staying at the Westin wondered the same thing. I saw some posts in which questions were asked about action in the area.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Nico gave the directions to Yong Joo Gol (attached below) some time ago. Can anyone add to them? It would be nice to have specifics. I don't have a car.
Also, does anyone know the temperature at Yongsan RLD? I walked through there the other day (finally found the place), and the ladies either gave me their blank Korean stare or looked the other way. No, I am not quasimoto. Has anyone been served lately?
Citing the directions for 588, there are two Cheongnyangni on my subway map. Which one is the correct one (I know it's the Seoul subway line, but which one is that)? Also, does anyone know the exact exit once there?
Nico's Directions to Yong Joo Gol: "Well if you are coming from Seoul the best and cheapest way would be subway,train then taxi in that particular order. You would get on the subway and navigate to the green line which is line 2. Take that line and get off at the Ehwa Womens University stop. Stop #241. Then come above ground and look for signs that will lead you to the train station. Or politely ask someone. It's called Sinchon Station. Take the train north until you get to the town of paju. It's the stop after Wollong. If you miss the stop you can still get off at the next stop which is Munsan. I know for a fact that it's only 10,000 won for a taxi to Yong Joo Gol from there. But Paju is closer if your coming from seoul. Then just find a taxi and tell the driver Yong Joo Gol.
Train costs 1200 won
Subway costs 600 won
Taxi cost is negotiable
Once there you will see the windows where the women sit and wait for customers. Have fun, enjoy yourself and be careful out there...."
As a sidebar, I have been reading and posting here for about a year. In that time, I have never seen such hostility like I have seen lately. This is sex guide site, not the Jerry Springer show. Get over your damn selves.
Seoul Blade
08-31-03, 01:15
Originally posted by Carrick
Also, does anyone know the temperature at Yongsan RLD? I walked through there the other day (finally found the place), and the ladies either gave me their blank Korean stare or looked the other way. No, I am not quasimoto. Has anyone been served lately?You sound as if you're surprised by this. Don't feel bad bro, that's how it is over here. One thing you're forgetting is that it's pretty hard if you're a foreigner. Basically, if you are not Korean (and especially if you're not Asian), chances are that you won't be served by any of the hot ones in 588, Yongsan, or Yong Joo Gol. That means the main streets of any of the RLDs (except Miari). It doesn't matter how you look, getting served by the hot ones is very rare.
Did you check the sidestreets and alleys? You can usually get service from the girls there, but you know how those girls are, right?--they are mostly old, fat, worn out, and not very visually appealing, to say the least.
From my experience, the overall chances with the girls in the RLDs were (in order of 'most foreigner friendly to least foreigner friendly'):
Miari -- Yongsan/588 -- YJG
Don't be fooled by this asessment though, because there is a HUGE gap between Miari and Yongsan/588. Miari welcomes just about anyone, while the others do not.
Basically, getting service isn't THAT hard...but getting service from the girls that YOU want--> now THAT is HARD/IMPOSSIBLE.
Take a Korean friend with you next time. The chances may be better, but not by much.
Will be going to Seoul next week. Have already been to 588, Itaewon and Miari. Will try to find Yongsan and Finkle. I plan to stay at a hotel in Kang Nam.
Didn't really like Miari because of the wedding dresses that they wear. Found on girl with a nice face but when we got to the room she was kind of too big for my taste. Tried to change girls but she was persistant that I stay with her and I reluctantly agreed. She was mechanical and kept saying pali pali, 20 min later she stopped and wanted another 70,000won. Wanting to complete the deed I agreed, later she wanted allnight for 600,000 won. I wasn't going to pay that so I offered 300,000, don't know why I even offred, but she said 500,000 so I just left. I would say the girl was 6/10 but her face was 8, be careful and check her out thouroughly before going up.
The next night went to 588. Got dropped of at the side alley by 7-11 by the taxi driver, must be bacause I was Japanese american not korean. There I found a girl who was wearing a tight red dress. She said her name was soo jin and spoke broken english. There I took out my translator and said how much. She laughed and showed 7 fingers, I assumed that was 70,000 so I said okay. Must have been horney cause I never even looked around. Upstairs she had a translator and chated for 30min. She then initiated a covered BJ and FS, she wasn't bad but kept talking about how she needed money to get out of the business after and wanted to spent the night at my hotel. I offered 300,000 and settled on 400,000 for the night.
If anyone will be there sept 4-6 and can show me other spots email me at seoulsearcher69@yahoo.com
Yongsan seems to be one of the more friendlier places, but it remains to see how long it lasts. A new train station is going up, and this may put one more pleasure alley out of business.
Trolling around the side streets of Yongsan always has been fruitful. Only once did I get a taker on the main drag. She spoke perfect English, and admitted that just a couple more “appointments” and she could get the work.
I’ve had my share of good and just so-so experiences there, but never went away disappointed. Some have been downright enjoyable – especially when compared to Miari. Met a young thing there a few Sundays ago, and she just was delicious. Didn’t speak a lot of English, but enough for small talk. Little on the wilder side because she had a belly button stud and tattoo.
Definitely is a lot better than Taegu. Had to go down there recently, and just about wore myself out looking for a barbershop. I don’t read much Korean, so maybe I was missing something.
Was not hard to find the coffee shops. Just look for all the mopeds parked at the door. Stopped at a couple, but no luck. At one place was holding hands with the agassi trying to get her to reach inside my pants. Did everything except flop it out on the table, but she wouldn’t go for it, or didn’t get the hint. Sure wish I could break the code for tabang agassis. Any way to stop a sure bet?
Spotted Dick
08-31-03, 15:32
Bukchang-dong Run
Looking for one running-mate for the Bukchang-dong RS experience this week. Early evening (7:30 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.) is better. Bring W250-400,000 depending on whether you expect to get fucked or just sucked. E-mail ssurv@hotmail.com
NY Yankees
08-31-03, 17:40
Originally posted by samter
Wanting to complete the deed I agreed, later she wanted allnight for 600,000 won. I wasn't going to pay that so I offered 300,000, don't know why I even offred, but she said 500,000 so I just left.
I offered 300,000 and settled on 400,000 for the night.
You paid her 400,000 won, from what time to what time did she stay with you?
And at Miari, the girl wanted 500,000 starting from what time?
Expedition
09-01-03, 18:19
Does anyone have any experiences they would like to share in the Ilsan area?
I'm new here and don't feel like going into Seoul.
Been busy lately so havent been posting as much, have alot of stuff still to do here with very limited amount of time left.
Saturday night
I was waiting around to talk to Gina and decided to stop in at Fantasy Club. Went in talked with her for a bit and she gave me a good offer. I believe it's good because I have the money to spend. She asked why I always went with Gina, and I told her of the price and the outstanding service. I mentioned that I would be spending Sunday night there with Gina. Naturally she asked how much for the night, being smart I said $200.00. She said I could stay with her for the same amount, which was good because I was paying more to stay with Gina. I then asked her if she would give me service as good as Gina and she said sure she would. So I said lemme see what you offer. Now I have been there many times before so that's the main reason she gave me this price. I only paid 50,000 won. Yes thats not a typo 50,000 won. If you read back through the post you will see that I have been a repeat customer and even brought some of my friends there.
Sunday night
I had told Gina I would be coming by to spend the night with her at around 10:30 Sunday night. I got there a bit later and some moron was in there asking really stupid questions so had to sit there and wait for his stupid ass. I drank a beer and watched a fight across the way at Pollys which I captured with my camcorder. I paid the mamasan $300.00 for the night with Gina which to me is not much. I then went up to her apartment where she was waiting on me and I was in heaven. We spent the next two hours enjoying each others company. She is such a little sparkplug. She then showered and went down to try and work 1 more hour before she closed which was fine with me because I needed a break. She returned at 3am showered and slid into bed next to me. For the next 9 hours we slept, had sex, kissed, held and talked. She is really and sweet person. We had a really good talk about life and each other. I believe what she told me to be the truth. I am not some dumb, young G.I. who is in love either. I will be gone soon but to anyone who goes there treat her nicely and she will respond with the same. She is the nicest, kindest and most giving provider on the hill. And also one of the prettiest. Enjoy her while you can if your stay here isn't a long one.
To all you guy's who work here I envy you. This is a wonderful country enjoy the rich history. And if your hiring I will be a free man in 40 or so days. I'm 30, physically fit, in shape, handsome and a minority. LOL what more could you ask for.
Daniel_You
09-02-03, 02:28
Member #1127,
You have come across a famous town 'Puk-Chang-Dong'.
I don't think you're not allowed by the dress-code but maybe they don't like foreigner to get in.
There, you could drink some whisky and side dishes and experience the 'show'.
Daniel
Originally posted by Member #1127
Walking around the Westin Chosun tonight, I crossed the street bordering the hotel (to your left when leaving the hotel) and immediately came across one area, and one street in particular whose name I could not find, filled with "business clubs". Pretty girls were visible at the entrance of most of them.
There must 30 to 50 clubs at least, pretty much side by side. The street was filled with business people coming in and out. Since I was wearing jeans and a T-shirt, the guys standing outside did not ask me to go in, of course. It looked more like the suit required type of places.
Does anyone have experience with this kind of place. I imagine they are expensive, although I do not know what expensive is in Seoul, and I am wondering if you take the girls out from these places? Are they KTV types?
Maybe someone else staying at the Westin wondered the same thing. I saw some posts in which questions were asked about action in the area.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Daniel_You
09-02-03, 03:01
Hi All...
This is a report for Russian action in Seoul and other parts of Korea.
As you all know, Korea is rather a small country and has been isolated for a long long time from the outer world. Before 1976, the official diplomatic relationships were only made with China and Japan. Korea has its history of around 2,000 years, although its myth told us that it's around 4,400 years.
There surely was some commercial trade between Koreans in nothern parts (now the territory of North Korea) and merchants in Vladivostok, but official relationship between Korea and Russia was first introduced by Mr. Weber, a diplomatic minister from Russia in late 1880's.
Since then some Russian girls were introduced to Seoul, but mainly to serve the western people here in Seoul. For ordinary Koreans, Russian girls then were only for their curiosity and rumors. Majority of them came from Russia, White Russia (Belalush) and Ukhraina...
But after the Russo-Japanese wars in 1904, Japan has made Korea as its colony and all the Russian girls were expelled and no Russian girls were found in Seoul.
And after 1945, Korea was divided into two and Russians were not able to be in South Korea.
1988 was the important epoch in Russo-Korean relationships. Olympics were held in Seoul and many Russian atheletes and correspondents first visited South Korea. But it was USSR, not Russia.
In 1989, official diplomatic relationships were made between USSR and South Korea, and since then Russian girls came to Korea to make money. The difference between the early relationships is that the majority of Russian girls are from Havarobsk and some Siberian cities, not from Europe Russia.
The usual visa status for Russian girls (in sex industry) is for 'dancers'. In fact, some Seoul night clubs have their Russian dancers, but not in the center of the city.
But for the money, they got a 'sidejob', and rapidly 'sidejob' has become their 'main job'.
The way we could contact Russian is to call their agency. Although there has been some problems with Russian girls, usually Koreans pay KRW 150,000 (plus hotel) to the agency and I've heard that Russian girls are paid KRW 80,000 per action.
We could get the number of Russian girl agencies very discretely, but not so difficult.
Korean males are curious about Russians and from time to time we could find some 'Russo-girl-philia'.
Some Russian girls are working in Room Salons but not very usually.
Okay, this is a brief report for Russian action in Seoul.
Hope this would help.
Daniel
Daniel_You
09-02-03, 03:20
Member #1164,
In October the whether is BEST in Korea. You could imagine an autumn of New England...
Porn DVD? It's completely illegal in Korea.
Dan
Originally posted by Member #1164
Hello all I am going to Korea in October and was wondering how the weather is and also where I can get me some porn dvd's
Thanks
Hey guys can you help me out. I know Seoul quite well and I know the KTV's and bars and also the pick up joints for freebees.
However in the past I have had a regular girlfriend in Seoul so didnot need to look for working girls. What I want to know is are there any bars that the working girls frequent and where I can get an all nighter back to my hotel?
What I dont want is street girls, call ins, short time girls or the phone calls for out calls (I dont speak enough Korean to use a phone).
Idealy what I want to do is hit a few regular bars, the drinks bars on Itaewon maybe but then go somewere where I can get a working girl at the end of the night.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Hey NY Yankee,
The place was across 7-11. I usually go after I send time with family, so probably around 11pm. She said she was going to leave at 8am after she woke up, but ended up sleeping to 2pm. Had to rush her out after 3pm cause my inlaws were downstairs waiting to go out. I don't know if she was going to stay later if she woke up at 8, but got alot of time out of her.
Happy Hunting!
Hi, I'm new to this board, but will be visiting Seoul several times over the next month.
Does anyone know if there is any call in service to the Westin Chosun? Are there any problems having girls come to your hotel? And what price should be considered fair?
Thanks for the info.
Has any of you ever tried to meet girls using services like adultfriendfinder.com ?
I have just enrolled and it looks like there is a dozen of girls in Seoul, and anywhere else actually, who are looking for sex partners. Some of them wrote that they would like to get some money for it, some did not... I am sending some emails but am wondering whether there is a chance or not...
Rene02,
I have met a lot girls over the internet thru adultfriendfinder.com. But I was looking to meet some girls from Korea and all I am getting is girls from South American, Russia, Philppines, and a few from Thailand. I have hook up with one of the girls in Thailand, and we have a great time everytime when I go to Thailand. She is from a upper class family and just wants to have some fun, with a American and her family is died set against it. So we e-mail each other and see each other, when I am in Thailand, it is great!
Random in Tokyo -
Email me at lonestarkorea@hotmail.com
FYI for all - the main entrances to Miari now have huge banners reading "Foreigner off-limits"
Not a big loss to me as I think those areas are rather 'icky' but it's worrisome nevertheless since they are posted in a PUBLIC area.
Will post pic soon.
Does anyone know this girl?
Asset man,
Why do you ask ? Where did you get this photo ?
Did you take it yourself or get it from someone else ?
Just want to confirm what "assetman" said. I went to Miari over the holiday weekend and, unfortunately, it was closed to foreigners. (I'm American.) As you leave exit 10, there are five or six alleyways leading off to your right. Well, all but the last one had banners overhead saying that foreigners were not allowed. The ajumas at those alley entrances would not look at or speak to me. When I got to the last entrance, there was no banner, but the ajuma put her hands on my stomache and pushed me back -- not in a threatening way, just her way of saying that I couldn't come in there.
Anyone know what is up with this, and how long it will be before we can get back in there?
It was a disappointing thing to see.
Which is the best bath those days ? In Hotels ?
I've posted a pic of the Miari "Foreigners Off-limits" banner in thge photo section.
Hey I think I know that girl she goes to Pasadena City College here in California!
From Korea Herald, Sept. 17, 2003
Foreigners not welcome: brothels
The red light distric in Miari, northern Seoul, hoists a banner rejecting foreigners.
A leading red light district in Seoul seems to have found a new scapegoat for its financial woes: not the economic downturn or a police crackdown, but migrant workers from less developed countries.
Proprietors of brothels in Hawolgok-dong, northern Seoul, commonly known by its nickname of an obscure origin "Miari Texas Village," have come to a new business policy of denying service to migrant workers who they look at as potential transmitters of SARS or other critical viruses.
As a public display of their resolve to "purify their working environment," the owners' association have proudly erected nine large banners reading "Foreigner off-limits place" at major entrances to the area, setting a precedent by formalizing an announcement that borders on racism.
"The main culprits behind the ever-dwindling number of local patrons are foreign laborers," said Jeon Kyung-bong who leads a self-disciplinary committee of the owners. "Koreans are staying away from here for fear of the possibility of contracting SARS and AIDS."
According to the owners, their sales have dropped more than 50 percent with most of the mid-sized shops registering slim takings at 200,000-300,000 won per night. Plus, the once prosperous red light district is rapidly losing much of its luster with the number of shops dropping to 200 from some 300 a year ago.
The lack of demand has seen a market downturn to the extent that prices have dropped enough to attract a slew of migrant workers in recent months.
However, most of the foreigners who are denied access are from Southeast Asia, China and Africa, giving rise to claims that the brothel owners are practicing racial discrimination.
"To make the groundless judgment that foreign workers are practitioners of promiscuous sex and deny them access to certain areas, even if that area is a red light district, is nothing more than racial discrimination," Choi Hyun-mo, director of the Human Rights Protection Center for Migrant Workers in Korea, said.
(khjack@heraldm.com) By Choe Yong-shik
From Korea Times, Sept. 17, 2003
SARS Forces Brothels to Shun Foreigners
By Soh Ji-young
Staff Reporter
"Miari Texas", a red-light district in Seoul, is causing a stir for its new policy of refusing foreign customers.
From this month, banners reading "foreigner off-limits" have been put up in front of entrances to the brothel district situated in Songbuk-dong, for the first time since it began business 45 years ago.
Brothel owners are saying the measure was unavoidable as the recent increase of foreign customers, mostly from Southeast Asian countries and China, are seriously affecting their business.
"As there is widespread belief that foreign workers spread AIDS and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), Korean customers are being driven away" said Chon Kyong-bong, a brothel owner who conducted business in Miari for more than two years. He is serving as the head of the owners’ committee that adopted the resolution of not accepting foreigners.
Female employees themselves also show reluctance to provide services to them in fear they will contract diseases, he said.
"Although we feel bad for the migrant workers who are here in a foreign land, we have to think of the health of our employees, who have weak immune systems since they drink a lot of alcohol while working" Chon told The Korea Times.
Previously known as the leading red-light district in Seoul, Miari Texas had once boasted more than 300 establishments but strict police crackdowns and loss in customers had driven more than 100 to close.
Although tourists from Japan and other countries have occasionally visited the district in the past, it was pretty much unknown to foreigners until the last two to three years, when migrant workers began flocking to the district, the owner said.
Since then, Miari Texas is being called a second Itaewon, due to the large number of foreign workers who come from nearby cities and hang around the area until morning while waiting for buses and subways to resume, Choi said.
Justification of the reasons surrounding the measure aside, the newly-enforced entrance ban against foreigners is expected to cause controversy as it is perceived to be based on racial prejudice.
"Assuming foreign workers easily spread AIDS and SARS and expressing that view publicly is a typical form of racial discrimination" said Choi Hyun-mo, director of the Korea Migrant Workers’ Human Rights Center.
Meanwhile, Miari brothel owners have also resolved to clean up their act to improve their tarnished image and attract more customers, through regular cleaning up of the district and hosting bazaars for the needy.
Wolf - it's actually the avatar of a poster on a board I frequent and she looked really familiar. However, I couln't place her (I thought I might've stumbled on one of the Hill's hooks that I played with long ago), so I posted it here to see if indeed anyone else recognized her.
The story hit the wires and is all over local news outlets. Won't be long b4 CNN/BBC/Reuters/AP picks it up. Good times.
Wicked Willie
09-18-03, 01:47
Chick I nailed on Hooker Hill in Iteawon for $100 on a night when I was bored. She would not let me take a pic of her face (she was OK looking) and the bod was ok - but could she milk me with that thing of hers. Look at that cream.
Assetman,
She also looks familiar to me. But I can't either say where I met her. Might be at the JJ at the Hyatt. On which board did you get her ? Did she answer you ?
Cheers
Question for everyone, which Hotel is better for a short stay; wanting to find action easily? Hyatt or Renessaince Hotel. I will be in town fro a very short time and these 2 hotels are the best for location because of my business in Korea. Either are my choose, but work comes first on this trip. I will not have much time for fun, but will be looking! Which is the best for fun?
NY Yankees
09-22-03, 21:25
To seoulman,
OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought we were over this long long time ago. Please stop your whining and "I'm always right attitude."
I think everyone heard you the first time, why keep bringing it up every 10 seconds?
You must really really have nothing to do, always coming here and bitching...
maybe you should start picketing around miari, 588 etc and even infront of city hall so these korean racist can get your drift...
I mean seriously, what do you get out this. Self satisfaction? Self gratification?
For God's sake, if you don't like in seoul, change your nick and go some place else! Simple!
In Disguise
09-23-03, 04:05
Hello All,
Does anyone know what the establishments that say, "Mee-In-Club", (¹ÌÀÎÅ©·´) do? They usually also say, "Tip-W30,000". Are they strip joints or some type of bar?
Anyone have any experience there? If, so, how were the girls there?
In Disguise
TheContinental
09-23-03, 05:45
I don't think the reason for Miari losing $ is that foreign laborers are going to the brothels; Rather, I think it is just that Korean women are so easy that everyone is getting laid these days.
The photos that people have been posting are of really UGLY girls. You guys need to up your standards a bit.
JimHArt: The Hyatt, as the Disco is right down stairs.
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NY Yankees
09-24-03, 21:24
To In Disguise,
Mee-In in korean means "beauty," so it translates into "beauty club"
I've never been into one but if I'm not mistaken, it's probably a karaoke bar with a girl next to you. You order some drinks, they come with tidbits and a selection of girls. I have no idea if these girls will strip bare naked and give you HJ/BJ like the ones in bok-changdong. But I think these girls will go out for "extras"
Again, I'm not a specialist in this area. But it is probably a lower grade of "danlan-jum-mun" which itself is a lower grade of Room salons.
As for the "Tip 30,000?" I bet there is a catch to it.
I think Daniel You would be able to clarify everything for us.
Daniel, if you are still active in the forum, care to enlighten us both? Need your help here.... :)
To TheContinental,
I do agree with you regarding the girls appearances...
Hey check out the Thailand photo gallery, IMHO, I have no idea how they can say those girls look hot....
Asian Travels
09-25-03, 02:59
After all the reports, I had to try the infamous Finkle. Wandered around for 25 minutes trying to find Starbucks (with 8 exits out of Yeoksam station it’s easy to go the wrong way). Found it, went downstairs and the madam asked me for 110,000. I tried to bargain for 100,000 but no luck. Finkle is a funny place, with massages, HJ, FS, and haircuts all going on under the same roof.
Was led to a back room with a barbers chair covered in towels. Told to change into shorts and all my clothes where locked up. About 15 minutes later a 30+ woman comes in-not so pretty, perhaps a 5-6/10. She washed my feet and started massaging my legs, twice touching my dick and making a vesuvious motion, indicating a super HJ would result. She also motioned that FS wouldn't be happening. I then said So-Yeon or something to that effect, and the woman went away. 15 minutes later a pretty, tall woman of maybe 28 took me by the hand and led me upstairs to a small room with adjoining shower. She told me to shower, and went away. Can back 5 minutes later and pointed to the bed. She stripped down and the rest was history. She is pretty 8/10 perhaps, tallish at 168cm, and fairly flat chested. Very good with the mouth and moaned like a pro. Finished up with a 5 minute massage (which I wish lasted longer). So-Yeon smiled a lot and was “nicer” than a lot of pros I meet, so perhaps GFE is accurate to a point. Worth the money in my opinion.
Asian Travels
09-25-03, 03:00
Better directions to Finkle:
Walk out of exit 8 (this is important in order to find Starbucks) and go straight 30m. Turn left on the first corner where the Starbucks is. Turn right at the 2nd narrow alley. Walk 50m, going past Hotel M on the left. Turn at the first right-there is a small restaurant on the corner. Finkle is to the right of the restaurant, downstairs.
Asian Travels
09-25-03, 03:02
Decided to roll the dice at 2am and tried an escort card number I’d picked up during the day. The first had no answer, but the second was successful, with the guy speaking English. We confirmed the currency-200,000won for 1 hour, and I insisted the girl be very pretty-not old or fat, which he agreed to. I also said if I could go 2-3 times in the hour and he said OK. He promised she’d arrive in 20 minutes.
Thirty-five minutes later a nicely dressed, attractive (7/10) girl of 24 showed up. Got the money out of the way, agreed on the time (she said 50 minutes rather than 60) got a cleaning of the privates from her, and then preceeded to a CBJ followed by FS. I let loose after about 15 minutes, and then shortly after discovered she was planning to leave then. I said her boss promised a full hour of fun, but a call to him did not confirm this.
Ended up with a bit of a weak massage, and let her go at the 35minute mark. All in all a bit expensive for such a short stay, but I guess that’s the way the business is more often than not. Shows I’m a novice I guess.
Asian Travels
09-25-03, 03:04
Went out late in search of a cutie on Saturday night. The Hilton was busy, but 90% Koreans with their dates dancing to the DJ. By 1am it was dead, so headed to JJ Mahoney’s in the Grand Hyatt. Climbing the hill from the subway a bunch of older women whispered something which I took to mean “girl”, but was hoping for some quality to take back to the hotel, so I declined.
Once in the hotel, on the way down to the club, a woman of 35+ smiled in that “I’m free now” way, but I thought I’d find better and let her go. The place was packed, and the Oz band pretty good, but it was a bit hard to figure out who was a working girl and who was just out for the night as there were so many women there with their girlfriends. Anyway, no one interesting made any direct approaches, and I called it quits at 2:15am.
Last stop was Itaewon. Went up hooker hill at 3am, and after a quick eyeballing of the talent allowed myself to be dragged upstairs by a tall thin woman in her late 20’s. She had a nice face, and good rack (silicon)-maybe a 7/10. I got the discount rate of 100,000 rather than 200,000 “because I am handsome” LOL. Anyway, the room upstairs had 4 small couches and we got to business right away. Decent CBJ, then FS with her riding, then from behind. I admit you won’t find a classy woman on the hill, but if you just need to get laid, then it is a pretty efficient way, and the talent wasn’t bad considering the price.
Dear All,
It's my first report & wish I can contribute after benefitting much from this GREATEST FORUM of Mankind.
Guys- lets's talk about sex
Viewing all the recent posts, (esp about Mirai banning foriegners) Let's put the arguments aside & try to look at it from a different perspective.
I try to put down in numbers of chance for travellers to get laid in Seoul, these numbers are gross but I think it's useful to travellers thinking visit here. (travellers have limited time & or budget, they are the ones really need this forum)
RLD- 588/Miari/Yongsan
Girls 5-9
$ :W60,000-180,000
Chance of acceptance 0-20% ( try Yonsan B row/ don't go Miari)
Barbar Shops - pls check previous reports
Girls 4-6
$ :W50,000- 120,000
Chance of acceptance 70- 90% ( don't go peak times full of koreans customers)
MPs - those attached to hotels
Girls 4-7
$ :W150,000-190,000
Chance of acceptance 70-90%
Rooms Salons
Girls 6-10
$ : W 400,000-1,500,000 ( it's expensive as u have to spend alot on wines..etc)
Chance of acceptance 50-90% ( go with Koreans)
Definition: Foreigners - All except japanese, kyobo & Asians whom will have no major problems.
Hey, of course you can add/ amend /challenge these #s but pls also be productive.
MingMan
TheContinental
09-26-03, 02:20
Mingman, where are your stats to back up your post? Have you calculated this in some scientific manner, or are you just guessing?
Daniel_You
09-26-03, 02:21
NY Yankee,
Yes still I am very active and I have been active from 1987!
You are absolutely right for 'Mee-In-Chon'. That's why I did not need to give any addtional information about it.
Talk to you later...
Daniel
daniel_you@yahoo.com
PS. I have left the former company and now I am working for another one. Call me or send me an email.
NY Yankees
09-26-03, 12:41
To Asian Travels,
Hey great infos. However, the girl that you described as So-yeun doesn't seem to match the real So-yeun.
So-yeun doesn't have a flat chest and she definitely isn't 168cm. If the girl you had didn't have a small buddist tattoo on her left breast, it probably was somebody else.
Asian Travels
09-27-03, 04:59
I admit I couldn't quite catch her name, but I am sure it was So-....(something). It could have been So-hwan or anything like that. Perhaps So-yeun is known for FS, so asking for her made it clear what I wanted.
Anyway, this one was a real moaner, great with the mouth, and gave a decent massage to boot. She also smiled a fair bit and held my hand, so all in all a short GFE experience.
Asian Travels
09-27-03, 05:02
A word of warning:
Be careful if you are trying to use Hangul characters from this website-it won't work unless you have set your computer to handle it. Someone posted something in Hangul, but on my computer it showed up in Chinese characters, so I was looking for the totally wrong sign for ages.
Asian Travels,
Sounds like you were busy. I've usually found JJ's to be difficult to make contact unless you're with a group of friends. K-girls seem to run in packs (even the pro's seem to work in pairs) and it is difficult to pull one out by yourself, and Saturday is usually the most difficult time as JJ's is super crowded.
If you want to meet a pro, late on the week nights seems to be when they are easy to identify. They're usually sitting at the bar and not dancing, and a bit older than the rest of the girls there. If it is late, they'll let you know right away once you start talking with them why they are there.
BR
Hi fellas,
I am going on a business trip to Seoul in mid October and I am curious about where I should stay to be close to action (I work in Financial Services so I will most likely be somewhere close to the financial district) and how much I should expect to pay. I have spent a fair amount on Thailand over the last three years but I am a complete newbie to the Korea scene and really have no clue how it works there. I will be in town for a week. Should I stay over the weekend or head over to Bangkok. Any info would be greatly appreaciated.
LarryOne
Hi Guys,
Almost same request as LarryOne. I tried to figure out yesterday where to find girls in Seoul and got confused.
- I understand that the many many barber shops (with that rotating sign) are not for sex or how does it work?
- Where is "hooker hill" in Itaewon?
- Is there a simple address where I could go for a full package instead of browsing around wihtout too much (understatement) of a success
Tks
Wicked Willie
09-30-03, 06:43
Hey Dummy,
Welcome to the forum. If you want to hit hooker hill in Iteawon it is really easy. Look for the UN club on the main drag in Iteawon. If walking, you know you are going in the right direction if you pass (in this order) McDonalds, Subway, Burger King & just before the next intersection on the R is UN. Keep going past UN and turn Right and take the very next left and UP UP UP the hill you go.... If the girls are trying to pull you in a club - it is HOOKER heaven, if not, then it is probably (notice proabably) a regular bar - but you can still usually get some there.... These are all WORKING girls - so, unless you get REALLY luck - you will pay for the tail in these places.
Now for the free tail - hit the clubs after 1pm when the GIs are back on post for their curfew. The "girlfriends" who stay out after their boyfriends leave - are always looking for boyfriends with more $$$ to move upward and onward too. Hit the bigger clubs to find the "free" tail (you gotta buy drinks and spend time with them so it is not exactly free) but you can get some nice young looking ones this way. King club, Queen club, MTV, Seoul Pub and Limelight are some of the better places to find these chicks.
At around 4am is the best fishing time. The honeys that are hot and bothered, that have not found a man - are usually roasty toasty on booze by this time and you can swoop in and get some really free tail for just dancing and being nice. I have done this on more than one occasion. Just hit the club a few hours before closing, find the girls in singles or pairs that look down and dejected (no man to take them home) and swoop in like a hawk and viola! Poonanny for the picking.
And, to me, the best place to find girls - MSN Korea personals. I have a flock of 6 chicks (nice girls - not the club girls) that I picked up online that all "love" me. All are "tutors" and work Monday to Friday and live with their parents - none are virgins - but none are club girls either - these girls ALL put out on the first or second date, and then keep coming back for more looking for a husband. Tell them you are looking for your "soulmate" and they are hooked on you.
Enjoy!
WickedWillie
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Wicked Willie
10-01-03, 17:58
Went bar hopping tonight (bored) and just decided to get a quickie on the Hill with the chick at Fantasy.
60,000W for about 1hr of fun. She is a little older, but the BBBJ is great and she is willing to try anything.
Also ran into a girl I had not seen in a while, Mah Ja at Flower club. Was asking $300US for a all nighter - I laughed at her - she came down to $200 - I still laughed at her, when I passed her later that night it was down to $120 - but I had already seen the chick at Fantasy so I passed.
Check her out - she looks in her early 30s, A cup, very petite and is a tigress in the sack.
Best o luck!
Mingman (or amyone)
Where are some MP's in town where there is a good chance to "get lucky", i.e., HJ, BJ, or FS? I'm here for a month off and on and would like to try a few! Thanks!
I lived in Korea for close to nine years. I mostly frequented Pyongtaek and Songtan. I did this mainly because I always though Seoul sucked. Itaewon was the bottom of the barrel. I did have the occasion of getting into a gentlemen's club out near Yuido with a Korean male friend of mine (I am African-American, but speak read and write Korean) and the girls were just awesome. It was quite expensive though. The cover charge was 300,000 won before you even talked to a girl. Other than that one time, I always had bad luck in Seoul. However, I just happened to be up in Seoul during 9/11 and went over to Apkujong with a gorgeous female grad student that I met over in Shinchon (more on that in another post). This place if your readers don't know is like Rodeo drive of Korea. Lot's of flash and lot's of cash. This is where the BMW/Rolex/private jet crowd hangs out.
Anyway, we went to the Hard Rock on a Friday night and the women were just amazing! Forget about Miari or Hooker Hill. This is the place! Imagine being in an American bar filled wit the most beautiful and wealthy Korean women in the world. Most if not all the women here speak English (highly educated) and are world travelers so they don't mind looking for some strange. First night, I met a medical equipment wholesaler who had come there after a business meeting that rocked my world! She paid for everything...food, drinks, and the room. She even paid for the taxi to get me back to where I was staying! I was only there for a month, but I had similar experiences every weekend in that part of town. I asked the manager (I was hanging with him after my second weekedn) why the women were so nice to me and he said it was mostly curiosity. He said that some thought I was brave to come to that part of town at night alone, ! or the fact that I could speak Korean and others thought I was Nigerian mafia or something.
One thing...don't go there dressed like a GI. This place has $20.00 nachoes and a bottle of Johnny Walker blue label goes for $500. You will be spotted as a loser and none will talk to you if you look poor. Most GI' s can't afford this place and it is too far to get back to Yongsan on foot after you run out of money after a night of drinking. Wear a nice business suit or anything that looks like it was made by Armani and you will be in like Flint. If you are short of cash, sit at the bar, you might get picked up. Drinks are about what you pay anywhere else in Seoul.
Oh, by the way, some pretty high priced business women tend to hang out in here to so be careful of that, however, they tend to stay away from the foreigner's (bad for regular business). If you want to use your American pick up skills on an educated Asian women (there were a few Hong Kong Chinese and Malaysian women), they will work here!
Wicked Willie
10-03-03, 07:49
Decided to hit Yongsan RDL today before work (smile) and met a nice girl (Jung hee?).
She was on a B Alley (forget the A girls) on the opposite side from the police station - 4th cubby hole in on the left from the motorcycle dealership (if you have been there, then you know the alley).
She was about 5ft (she had 6 inch shoes - figures) and a nice little tight body. Darker skinned for a Korean, but when she did the reverse cowboy - OMG - I was in heaven.
Price of 60,000 for a quick 25 minutes of pleasure. Got her business card and she quoted me 225,000W for an all nighter. A little on the steep side, but I might take her up on it as she was BBBJ, DATY and DFK during the session.
Ah, love Korea.
WW
Brown Bunny
10-05-03, 02:09
So, I've been combing through some past posts concerning Yongsan RLD and I'd just like to clarify.
The glass houses will probably not accept foreigners or, does it depend on the mamasan or the girl?
But, many side alleys have girls working who will be willing to negotiate. A figure that recently came up was 60,000 for 25 minutes. That's not too bad (compared to Japan).
Moreover, what are the quality of the alley workers? I suppose it just depends on chance...one day, maybe a 10, the next, maybe a 4?
What are good times to go? I work afternoons to evening Monday through Friday. My mornings are open to make a journey. What about Saturday afternoons or Sunday afternoons?
Thanks for your help
bb
Wicked Willie
10-05-03, 03:14
Went to the Hill last night (bored again) and picked up a little cutie at the Bridge club (older lady but nice and tight) with a name of Young Su? for 60,000W.
Session was OK, but I should have went back to Yongsan RDL and seen if that last little hottie I hit was working or not.
Oh, Well.
WW
NY Yankees
10-05-03, 10:29
To Wickedwillie,
Personally I don't think the B row chicks look that great and I've never really surveyed the B rows in yongsan. But however, I figure not all are that ugly. I'm sure some does look decent.
Having said that, 225,000won for an allnighter in seoul is an excellent price. I dunno, maybe the B row girls aren't getting much customers or something and I remember some other forum member once mentioning an allnighter for a decent price.
In 588, a 12 hour session cost around 1,200,000won and I think around 1,000,000 at YJG.
I don't know 225,000won will get you how many hours since I don't know what time your where there but to me, even if it's 4 or 5 hours, that's a pretty darn good price.
Trust me, that's not steep. It's a bargain.... :)
Wicked Willie
10-06-03, 01:11
NY Yankees,
You are probably correct, on the RDL side - 225W is not bad - but you can find cheaper up on the hill for a true all nighter. I have found some really nice looking ones there for 180,000W from around 3am to noon.
WW
Captain America
10-06-03, 11:43
Stayed at the Grand Hyatt last week and didn't have a chnace to really go anywhere due to business. last night (saturday) before my flight to Singapore went down to the bar in the basement (forgot the name)at 1am based on some reports from a year ago to see if there weas osme action. Noticed a Korean Lady in her 30's (?) standing by herself sipping a drink. Kind of striking looking since she didn't look old, but had a streak colored into both sides of here hair that was either light blond, gray or some other light color. She started the conversation, got around to " I'll make you real happy" and we agreed on $150US.
Went up to my room (seperately since she was real paranoid), where the trouble started. She wanted more money, proceeded to tell me other giys were happily paying here 300 or 400. She alsow anted the money up front, which, (against better judgement) actually gave her and things got a little better. Covered BBBJ was o.k. and the one thing that made it not a total loss was her body. She must be working out hours a day since she didn't ahve an ounce of fat. Make a long story short, proceded through missionary, doggie style to her puling the cover offf and finishing me with her hand. Quick shower and she left.
All in all, not an experinece I'd like to repeat....
Heres a few experiences from a while ago, before I went to Philippines which was mind blowing:)
Went to that New York massage parlour at the start of Itaewon beside Pizza Hut. My advice is to avoid. She tried to get me to pay 170,000. Told her I had only 110,000 so she accepted as it was late. Asked for, and got, a girl with big tits. Shower first, and then she spent about 25 minutes cutting my nails!!I complained and pointed at the clock, but she waved me away...should have complained harder I suppose but was worried about what sort of service I would get. She then gave me a lame, rushed massage with her hands and tits. Then I went inside her and started really banging the shit out of her in retlaiation for her timewasting. She had bruises all over her waist and stomach adn looked pretty sickly..got a bit paranoid and pulled out and she finished with a handjob. She then asked for a tip! I laughed and walked out..take my advice..avoid, aprticularly if you got to pay 170,000
Also went to the In and Out massage club in Itaewon. It's on the hill past homo hill. walk up towards the mosque and it's on the right opposite 7-11. 50,000 for very good massage nas top class hj..bj available as well I think. Been there twice, both times young girls, can speak english and good service. It's my perfect Sunday afternoon hangover cure:)
Just curious how often you guys score with non pro's and where you find the best action is? My most successful haunts have been
Limelight/Helios/King club and Space bar...
Any other places I should know about? Whatabout hotel discos?
I also did quite well on ublove.com...meet once or twice, but make it obvious you are not after a friend, get suggestive on messenger and see how they respond. Also got 2 girls in one weekend that I met on yahoo chat. Never happened again though:(
Wine Guy 247
10-07-03, 01:49
I have tried something different with my trips to Seoul. Usually (in other cities) I would check out the non-pro action first, if I strike out I would then find a pro. Regardless, just have a one night stand and kick em out in the morning. Life is less complicated that way.
This time I picked up a girl (I was entering Gecko's, she was leaving) and kept up communication through e-mail after. I told her I have a live in girl friend and I can't make any promises and she seems to accept that (or doesn't mind helping a guy cheat on a Japanese girl!) In any case she stays with me everytime I go to Seoul and I'm getting some of the best sex of my life (she is good looking and awesome in bed).
Has anyone tried this semi-girl friend approach? I'm thinking of giving this a try in other cities.
MJ
Hi All,
Need some help!!. I will be layover at Seoul airport for 10 hours. I saw they have massage at the airport, can someone tell me if they provide FS or just massage. Is there a short time hotel that you can take shower and a little nap before the flight.
Thanks for the info,
San Dog
I visited Seoul for the first time in three years, last week. I stayed in Itaewon at the Hamilton. Note the sports massage in the hotel is not full service.
I walked up the hill, and noticed that nothing has changed there. I visited Kim from the Boston Club and she is still the same. I first dated her when she worked in the club across the street six years ago.
Phred
Sandog,
The massage at the airport is not a private massage where you get naked in a room, I believe you sit on a massage chair. It's an international airport, there is no way in hell they would allow full service there anyway. There is a transit hotel there you can sleep and take a shower in, they have hourly/quarter day and half day rates. But if you are in a frequent flyer and have lounge access, the lounges have sleeping rooms and showers. I always use them and take a quick nap there.
The action is available in the Sauna's in Inchon, there's a bunch of them that started up there. Unfortunately, you will have to be Korean to go there because of the language barrier to find the place. Also, I as mentioned before they won't usually take non-koreans if you go alone.
Been a long time for me to post here, was planning on leaving earlier but the departure was delayed. Not much mongering going on in my life but still check the board a few times.
Saw Phred's post that the sports massage at the Hamilton is not FS and needed to jump in. I've been there maybe 5 times and everytime is was FS. Never needed to push or suggest, happened just like every other sports massage/steam bath/turkey bath.
Now, the barbershop does not offer anything other than massage. Went there once by mistake, paid my 60,000 and got a pretty nice massage (standard spinning pole style). When she was done I asked if she was really done. She said yes. I said, you don't do anything else? She laughed and said not here.
Back to the sports massage, anyone got an update on the Dynasty? It was closed for awhile, I haven't been by. But I'd love to get one more (or more) trips in before I go
Wicked Willie
10-08-03, 02:16
NY,
You really should check out the Yongsan RDL sometime for the B girls. If you look - and you must look - there are a few B+ & A- girls on those rows. If you go into the B row beside the Hyundai dealership and turn left - go to the next cross intersection and turn right - it takes you to A row, but this cross section has the B+ & A- girls. They are cute - if you catch them at the right time. Go there after 8pm and you will get turned down - they are waiting on the Korean guys.
But, if you get there between 4pm and 7pm you can usually get them to take you without a problem.
Now, I have been there when their Pimps are walking around and the girls I have seen before would not even wave - but those are the exceptions, more than the rules.
WW
Wow guys,
I am going to Seoul on a business trip in a week or so and will be staying there for about a week. I had posted for some info of where to find some female company. Thanks to those of you that responded it certainly is appreaciated. As I mentioned this is my first trip to Korea and I think I will will be staying at the Hyatt as someone suggested. However, I am not a cheap charlie BUT did I get your price quotes right??? Many of you are mentioning numbers in the range of 180,000 to 250,000 wans or $150 (USD) is this really right? Seems pretty high? Am I just not reading your posts right or?? Please enlighten me! If this really are the going rates perhaps I am better off heading to Manila or Bangkok for the weekend. Over to you boys.
LarryOne
LarryOne,
A short time, which would be about 20 minutes will be 70,000 Won, if you go to a RLD that takes foreigners, try 588, I think there was previous posts about Miari not taking foreigners anymore. A massage place might cost about 100,000 Won give or take.
Your best bet is going to Manila or Bangkok, besides being cheaper, the girls have a better attitude, espcially Manila since they speak English.
NY Yankees
10-09-03, 19:05
To wickedwillie,
Thanks for your info. Too bad I'm not in the country at this moment and will only be back in january.
I'm sure your notes will no doubt be very well used by other forum members. As for me, I am a kyopo and have never had problems before.
Even in 588 some of the B rows girls are not too bad looking but the ones I seen in yongsan weren't to my taste. But I am sure there are gems to be found everywhere and since it's been ages ago since I've been in yongsan, you might be right.
But for me personally, I think the 588 girls are prettier....
To Mookman,
glad to see you're back in the forum. Are you in seoul now?
Wicked Willie
10-10-03, 02:35
NY,
Since I have never been out to 588, when you are back in town, drop a line and we can meet up and go over that way. Then you can show the Gringo (me) someplace different - haha!
WW
Wicked Willie
10-10-03, 11:17
NY,
Here is a photo of one of the B+ row girls I got at Yongsan. She did not mind me getting a few pics, so long as her face did not show. She said her "brother" might see them on the internet by accident - made me chuckle - as if she knew they would get posted up.
She was a short time for 70,000W and I had her for about 30 minutes. DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CG, RCG, Mish and a Buk finish on the chin.....
Gotta love Korea.
WW
Song Seung Heon
10-12-03, 00:47
Regarding Yongsan RLD, can somebody distinguish what is A row girls and B row girls? There are two main roads filled with glass houses seperated by a crossstreet? are they both A row? and the b row girls are they in the side alleys? Can somebody clarify?
Wicked Willie
10-12-03, 07:17
Kimchi Man,
The main street is about 20 feet wide and goes entirely through the RDL. It is the ONLY street with through traffic - the other side streets and alleys are where the B girls are located. The main street has a cross street (very large gap) about 60% of the way through it. One one side is 1 small side alley parallel to the main street, on the other side of that large gap are 2 smaller alleys that run parallel.
Your best bet to see the area is to go down in the morning time of any day (9 to 10am) since there is not much foot traffic. Just walk through all the alleys to get a layout of the place. If you are oriental - you have a shot at the girls on the main street (A+++ young and HOTTTTT) if not (like me) then you need to window shop the side streets looking for a great B+ or A- girl to spend time with.
These girls are hit or miss. Some really cute ones will DFK, BBBJ, DATY and drive you crazy - then some of the B, B- girls will just lay like a dead fish. When you find your favoriate (I have 3) those will be the girls you see on a regular basis with the occasional night of mongering to find some new fish.
WW
NY Yankees
10-12-03, 11:19
To kimchi man,
Whatever you explained is pretty much correct. The large long strip of road you've mentioned is considered A row. Whatever's at the back of it is considered B row.
To Wickedwillie,
nice photo btw, but her areola looks a little strange....
January is still far away, I'm sure you would have visited 588 by yourself by then :P
But honestly I think 588 is much more foreigner unfriendly than yongsan so even if I was to be with you, I don't know if I can be of much help. But doesn't hurt to try right? :)
Few months back in 588, I saw two american guys trying their luck in 588, this one A row girl along with her mamasan was negotiating prices with them. As the buyer didn't speak any korean and the seller didn't speak english, I intervened hoping I could help out in some way. As usual the girl wanted an outrageous sum of money and I told the guys I don't think any sex in 588 is worth that much...
Gave them advice to try their luck around the B rows, they thanked me but gave me a very suspicious look(maybe they thought I was some con/pimp....who could blame them? I too wouldn't trust any strange guy in a RLD who is overtly friendly and helpful....)
Saw them a while later, but I don't think they had any luck. These guys looked young(probably some rookie GIs...) and didn't seem to know what they were doing.... It was pretty obvious that they were new to these sort of things. They seemed pretty naive. If I can smell and sense their naivity, I'm sure these WLs have no trouble detecting their innocence from miles and miles... :)
Again, it might be worse now since the new "no foreigner" attitudes around RLDs. But it sure doesn't hurt to window shop and who knows... never say never....
Wicked Willie
10-12-03, 23:37
NY,
So you like the photos but question the tatas? You should have seen those nips stand up when nibbled on - ah, a sight to see.
I have been in country a while now and the most venturing I have done is Yongsan RDL, the Hill and Finkle B.S. I do well in getting the chicks around Iteawon and picking them up off the net - but when bored - I like to try something new.
When I was here in the early 90's I use to hit the RDL outside Osan AFB. They actually had a few Fillipino ladies there back then - it was nice. Went there a month ago and could not find the place - is it still there - does anyone know?
WW
Went to Yongsan the other evening to look for the five-footer that WickedWillie had talked about, but was not able to see her. There really are not that many younger, short women to choose from. Where do all the 4.5 to 5 footers hang out?
Did notice that the girls were much more foreigner friendly. Maybe it was because it was right after work and I still had a suit on. It was very tempting because I had more choices than ever before. Almost took up with a girl with massive melons, but settled on a thin lady with nice face. I made sure that I could DATY first before paying.
I think Korean women love DATY. This is not the first time I’ve had a girl play dead bug – just lay on her back and throw her legs on the air waiting for me to dive in. I had asked for 30 minutes for 70,000 won, but was told 20 minutes. However, she enjoyed the licking so much it went 30 minutes.
All in all, a satisfying experience.
New World Order
10-13-03, 03:32
Hi Freeway :)
Thanks for posting the wonderful pictures.
A picture is always worth a thousand words. LOL :)
Damn they have such huge breasts!!!
I wonder why they call it "588". Is it the number of houses?
Or the area code? LOL HAHA
Freeway, are you Korean? Because in terms of service, both YJG and Miari ROCK!!! But YJG is too far away from Seoul. So I prefer Miari. You can walk around the district of Miari and find yourself a fine girl. The service at 588 suck.
For the foreigners who cannot get access to red light districts, trust me, you guys can score easily at Itaewon. Or if you are teaching English, hit on a few university students. :)
I will try and find more places that accept foreigners.
Take care.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Wicked Willie
10-13-03, 07:08
Hey Photoman,
Good for you for taking the plunge over there. If you did not get a chance to notice ALOT of the girls wear platform shoes anywhere from 6 to 12 inches tall with either pants or skirts to cover up their shoes. When I am looking for a really "short" girl, I always try to ask them to pull up their pants/skirt bottom so I can see how tall their shoes are.
Now, the best place I have found for the B+/A- girls there.
Go to the Hundayi dealership on the main street (there is only one) and when facing it from the main street you will see a small alley to the left of it. Go in here and turn left. You will pass a few cubicals of girls (mostly low B or high C) but at the next intersection, turn right. The next 3 or 4 cubicals on each side typically have the B+ / A- girls in them. Next time I visit my one cutie - I will get a copy of her business card (she refuses photos) and I will scan it and post it - that way our Korean speakers can call her and make an appointment - lol.
If there are no girls there, turn around and continue on down that same street you started on - about 4 or 5 cubicals down on the right is one that is hit or miss with accepting foreigners. Usually 4 or 5 cuties in the window, but depending on how slow they are and if their Pimp is around- depends on if they will tak you or not.
The other B rows have some OK C girls in them and for 60,000W I have had some of them take me for an hour or 2 pops, my choice, but I have only done that once or twice when I came across a chick that may not have had the best looking face, but had some nice tata's or something else that caught my eye.
WW
Wicked Willie
10-14-03, 00:48
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This chick I picked up at the Limelight. Got her a little toasty, was thinking of taking her home when she looked me in the eye and asked me to %^&* her brains out.
Needless to say I did!
WW
Wicked Willie
10-14-03, 00:49
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This chick I picked up on the hill for 120,000W from 7am to noon. Not bad for 5 hours.
WW
Wicked Willie
10-14-03, 00:52
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This is another chick I picked up at Limelight on Ladies night. She was toasty with her friends and freaking out when the male dancers came out.
I got her on the dance floor, did a little dirty dancing, she kept rubbing her butt all over my crotch - took her to my place and oh, boy...
This one I kept her phone number.
WW
Wicked Willie
10-14-03, 00:53
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This is another chick I picked up at Limelight on Ladies night. She was toasty with her friends and freaking out when the male dancers came out.
Another photo of this young lady.
WW
I have been here for well over a year now and have yet to see or hear about any dominant women. Surely there must be someone out there that provides the service. Do any of the Korean speakers on the board know? New World Order/Assetman?
Money not a problem, but despite the all round sexiness of Korean women I do miss a session with a dominant women.
Any info very very very appreciated....
Song Seung Heon
10-14-03, 09:34
Regarding 588, how do you know where and what is designated A row and B row? There is a narrow and wide entrance to the place, are they both A row? The quality seems the same. Are the best looking ones located near the entrances? I feel that as you look deeper, there are better looking ones. To me, every girl in 588 is an A quality. Has anybody been offered no time limit/ you can take as long as you want by these girls? Or is the time issue enforced heavily there? Is it up to the mamasan to decide or the girl?
There were a few instances where my willie wouldn't function, do you guys get your money back or is it part of the game as longas the 15 minutes are up?
To wicked wille,
You sure you got DFK, DATY, with these girls. Korean girls are very conservative being raised in a rigid conservative society like Korea. They feel kissing should be done with bf/gf or special moment and daty that is very rare. I encountered a girl whether I could daty and she considered it "dirty". A totally different ballgame folks. BD/SM is nonexistant in Korea.
To NWO
Do you say the service at 588 sucks? Not if you find the right girl, and I was wondering do you guys get DFK at yongsan/588, or do they heavily shunn it?
And for Miari, that when did that place come up with the no foreigners policy? Last time I checked it out which was this summer, foreignrs were being grabbed/pulled to get into their shops. without them, how are they going to make any profit there are hardly any Korean customers. i thought Miari was the most foreigner friendly out of all the rlds. Not to mention that place is so depressing, it like walking through an underground sewer / ghostown. I wonder why there are hardly any customers.
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Where is the 588?
I am staying at the Hyatt near Itiawan, is 588 a close cab drive away?
Any massage places near the Hyatt or the Hilton?
588 is about 25-30 minutes away from the Hyatt Hotel by cab. I regularly go to Seoul and from time to time, I go to 588 on a safari. I usually pay no more than 60,000 for 30 minutes. I prefer 588 over the Miari because the girls at the 588 is much prettier and there is no mamasan giving you bruises on your arms as they try to pull you in at Miari. Happy hunting!
New World Order
10-15-03, 00:24
Hi Paddy23 :)
I'm sorry but I do not know a dominant woman in Korea. :(
My guess would be Itaewon. Ask them that you will tip them more if they become a dominant woman for you. :)
Sorry I cannot help you.
Sincerely,
New World Order
New World Order
10-15-03, 00:27
Hi Freeway :)
Nice picture taken! DAMN~~~ :)
Moonman posted "very specific" directions to Yong Ju Gol. Go to "Forum Search" and type in "YJG AND Directions".
YJG also has young and sexy girl who will f*ck your brains out. But it is located 40km northeast of Seoul. :(
It is a huge village. Around 150 houses. The best times to go are from 6pm until 10pm. Sunday through Thursday.
Sincerely,
New World Order
New World Order
10-15-03, 00:28
Hi wickedwille :)
Nice pictures~~~ :)
Dude, you paid ONLY W120,000 (around $100) for five hours! That is cheaper than India!
I saw the picture of that girl. She has a great body. That is a bargain.
Sincerely,
New World Order
New World Order
10-15-03, 00:32
Hi kimchi man :)
I will lay out the difference between Miari and 588.
Miari: It became an off-limit area to foreigners about a month ago. The pimps wanted to have a better image for the Korean customers (which I think is a load of sh*t).
I have talked with the Korean girls and they told me that the Korean men are more impolite, smell like rotton god-knows, and some of them even sh*t, fart, or throw up while doing it.
For the "A" row girls, the odds of meeting a tall, hot, and sexy babe is 20%. Choose her. You will be guaranteed to do french kissing, DATY, etc.
But if you go to 588, there is no gaurantee that you may do DATY or french kissing with the girl. It's a 50/50 chance.
So that is why I prefer Miari.
Without a doubt, overall 588 has prettier girls. But overall, the service is not as good as Miari.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Member #1062
10-15-03, 01:46
I'll be in Seoul for a long weekend and staying at the Ritz Carlton Kangnamgu.
It's my first time in Korea. Any suggestions for naughty nightlife in that area?
Thanks in advance.
Seoul Blade
10-15-03, 04:37
In 588, the A rows are the all the mainstreets where the cars frequently go in and out.
You could say that the road where the cars drive in the opposite direction from Lotte Department (where the tunnel underpass is to the left) is the middle road and is the A+ row, and the street next to it, where the cars drive toward Lotte Dept. (the street is a lil more spacious) is like A- row.
Any shops where the grandma sits outside to grab you, or any alleyways far off in a corner where not many people walk back and forth, are considered B, or more commonly known as "semi-foreigner friendly" shops (I say semi because you can still be rejected from those). Also, if you're still not sure and want to figure out the difference between A and B? Simple. Just look at the lights in the rooms..the brighter and livelier the shop looks, the more likely it's A.
Rule of thumb for any new adventuring punters in 588 who aren't Korean like me: Expect to be rejected. I mean like ALOT. So don't be surprised or take it the wrong way. Maybe in B row, you'll have better chances but don't count on ANY A row girls, the mainstreet girls, to take you in. Unless you're Chinese or Japanese or look Korean, it's just not likely, especially with all the traffic and cars and other people in the streets around. The girls just won't look at you, and if you try to just force your way into the shop, the girl freaks out and the pimps come quickly around the corner. I've seen it happen a few times, and it looked pretty pitiful. Just try out whatever shops serve you, but don't be surprised by the amount of inhospitality.
Good Luck.
Wicked Willie
10-15-03, 07:07
Kimichi,
Some girls will DFK - but you must catch them right. I have many so no to the DATY, but I have found the ones that will let you DATY usually will kiss too. I get around that by making sure that they "enjoy" themselves before I quit DATY, that usually makes them a little more aggressive and open. Not always, but greater than 50% chance of it.
Now the girls I have picked up in Iteawon. They are always GFE. Usually with a little prompting I get the DATY (some are shy) but one I get there - they love it.
WW
Oh, here is the photo that for what ever reason, did not load from the chick at the limelight.
WW
Seoul Blade
10-15-03, 14:33
Freeway,
588 is a cool place ONLY if you're Korean or Japanese (and maybe Chinese).
So as YJG...YJG sometimes even restricts Chinese.
I haven't been to Miari in a while because I also agree that the place is a dump, so as Itaewon.
New World Order
10-16-03, 04:18
Hey guys,
Check out the "Indonesia" section.
Click on the "photo gallery".
Look up the pictures posted by Mr. John Aldrich. Mr. Aldrich is making me jealous! lol :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
Paddy,
I went out room saloning last night and asked my usual "madam," who has worked in every conceivable aspect of the business over the past 2 decades, if she's ever heard of any dominance providers.
Sorry to tell you that you're in all likelihood shit outta luck. Perhaps a few of the gals catering to our Japanese brothers have it their repertoire, but even then I'd venture to say that it's a remote chance.
AM
Lighter9000
10-18-03, 08:03
Hey guys, been a long time since I posted here but I'm back in Korea again for another year or so.
Anyway, I love hitting Itaewon looking for free trim and then usually hit the hill if I strike out.
Thing is, I hate trolling the nightclubs alone, so if any of you lads are interested in hitting the clubs with me or the Hill or Yongsan, drop me a line at: s_phrost@yahoo.com
I'm a mid twenties Canadian guy.
I went to a barber pole place, there were two ladies, offered massage price 60,,000 Won. It was a poor experience. The place is in the Namdaemum market area. I have tried the barber shop places in the past and was never satisfied, I will avoid in the future.
Later that day, Sunday evening I went to Itaewon, and walked up the hill, I was literally pulled in to several bars. They were offering hj for 50,000, bj for 100,000 and fs for 150,000. I returned later that evening, found a very attractive lady who was not as pushy as the others, final negotiated prices were hj 40,000
bj 70,000 and fs 100,000 won.
Wicked Willie
10-19-03, 14:42
Johntodd,
If you wanted a good bang for the buck - you should have hit Fantasy. You can get FS for 60-70,000W. It is non rushed and the lady (while a little older) is still very nice looking and knows what she is doing.
WW
Wicked Willie
10-19-03, 16:10
This is a pic of one of my A row girls that works at Yongsan RDL. She works on an alley between A row and B row.
Looks like an A to me and she treats me well for 80,000W.
She was not GFE my first few visits, but after the 4th visit, she was DATY, DFK, BBBJTC and all the mustard.
WW
Seoul Blade
10-19-03, 16:32
Went to YJG with my GyoPo buddy the other day. I may have said this before, but I just want to repeat -- I really don't like going to YJG because there aren't that many shops that will accept foreigners, and the ones that do aren't to my taste (all pretty much overweight and nasty), plus it is so far away that it just seems like a pure waste of time going there and just coming back empty, yet I was bored enough to go with my friend.
When I went, I found out that there are some new rules and regulations that are going on in that place, mainly concerning foreigners..Now I'm not sure if YJG is catching the same trend that Miari did, but there seems to be this new rule that it is now ILLEGAL for girls to accept foreigners other than Japanese or Chinese men..well, this is pretty funny, considering the fact that YJG girls never accepted Non-East Asian customers in the first place.. I guess they just HAD to make it an 'official' rule now.
Anyway, I'm not sure if it's an actual rule or if it is some kind of 'underground law' that the pimps/mamasans/local gangs are now enforcing over there, but one of the girls basically told my friend that if any girl gets caught letting a Non-Asian foreigner inside, the girl will get in some serious trouble..I'm not sure hopw valid this is, but one thing I did notice was that there are now quite a number of groups of Korean men huddling and hanging out around certain corners of the place. Are they enforcers or gangs or pimps?
One funny thing I also heard about YJG: For the people who've been there, ever notice the strange incense smell that seems to be all over the place? I found out that that incense fragrance is used to ward off the ghosts and evil spirits in that area. I was told that there were a lot of people who died in that entire area, and they burn the incense to calm or soothe the ghosts. Seems they are pretty superstitious about that stuff.. nevertheless, it's still some pretty freaky stuff to think about.
Probably going to get a brief stop in Seoul soon. Is there anything a few notches above (prettier girls) or even equal to a SF AMP which is reliable and easily found? I won't have a lot of time to learn the city or to troll around. How about just a western style strip club with stunning women; that'd be fine too. Not looking for bargains, just to play while I am off the grid.
TheContinental
10-20-03, 05:14
I liked that one picture of the Limelite girl, WickeWillie. My intuition says she was actually a non-pro, unlike the 'hos Freeway was posting. She was decent looking, as well.
I haven't posted here in a while, but glad to see certain posters are gone. I would like to ahve more a conversation about non-pros. So let's all start posting info / suggestions / strategies about meeting non-pros in Seoul. Especially be intersted in hearing of palces outside of Itaewan, Hyatt, Hilton etc.
Currently in Seoul and staying at the Grand Hyatt as other posters suggested. There are some very nice looking ladies that hang out around the hotel bar. However, they don't seem to do any advances so it is a little bit hard to differentiate of who is on the clock or not. Advise?
Last night I went down up Hooker Hill. It was early in the evening and hence not so many ladies haggling me. I found one georgeous girl that I fucked upstairs on the bar premises (I was the only customer at this time). Her performance was very good with a nice tight lubed up pussy. I made the mistake of telling her that it was my first time in Korea and asked how much services were going to cost me (I wanted to know what situation that I was going to be in). Of course she asked me if I know how things worked on HH and I said vaugely that I kind of knew (mistake?). Anyway, she started at 200,000 won to which I laughed but as she already had my cock in her hand (and it was getting hard) it was not the best situation to negotiate. We settled on 100,000 for fuck and bj. I thought it was a little bit high. Oh by the way I also bought her three drinks. I think I most definitely over paid quite a bit. Suggestions?
Are there any fishbowl style MPs in this town???? Need some directions here. How do I get to 588?
LarryOne
Lighter9000
10-20-03, 15:34
Yeah, the drinks are the real scam on the hill. I take it you paid the discount price of 20,000 each? So in actuality your fuck cost you 160,000 because those girls usually just drink a shot glass of water. Very rarely in my experience is it ever the "korean wine" they claim it is.
Getting a little tired of the hill actually, because last time I was there it was 4:30am and was still getting high-balled. Girl wanted 100,000 for a BBBJ + drinks and just kept whining and complaining when I said I wouldn't pay more than 60k, which is still too much. Finally she agreed to give me a "special discount" then asked me how long I would take. Which pissed me off even more, because its not like she had a line of customers waiting, there wasn't anyone else around, all the girls on the strip were begging for customers, she's lucky I chose her. Anyway, after 10 minutes she's like, "You take too long.. you want me to keep going?" And I'm like, "Hell yeah, till I'm done." So she did. Anyway, the only bright side is that BBBJ was excellent and the girl was pretty hot, compared to the rest of the gargoyles that usually patrol the hill.
I actually saw an extremely hot girl working at... crap.. its the first bar on the right going up the hill, right before Ambrosia. Name escapes me at the moment. Anyway, she had a really tight body, nice tits and a those tortoise shell glasses. Would have picked her but spotted her as I was finished with the other girl.
To LarryOne: No fishbowls MP's that I know of and unless you're asian you shouldn't bother with 588. Go to Yongsan. Directions are easier too. Just get off at Yongsan station or Sinyongsan station and walk around, you can't miss the glass houses.
To: Seoulblade,
Sorry you are not accepted in YJG, but for other travellers, this is the best place. FS, about 150,000W from most prettest young girls in Korea, over 300 girls to choose from. It's a heaven compare with places like Hooker Hill where you meet trans-genders or women over 40 age.
About the incense smell, warding off gosts / evil spirits:
If you ever know the whole YJG is just next to a small lake & smell probably comes form there.
And if you ever go to clubs in Asia (China, HK, Thai, Philipin, Sing, Malaysia, Indonesia), actually in all places (nite club, sauna, karaok..etc) you can find tiny area specially made to worship some ancient gods/ masters/whatever you call. They are doing this to pray for good business. Just like people in Asia goes to temples to pray for their good luck. It's nothing special/ scarely. you can ask your friends.
Don't bad-mouthing a place unnecessarily.
Mingman
Assetman
thanks for the help..seems as if I will have to go to Japan to get my deviant kicks:(
Just seems strange that in a country this size with a sex industry this size, there are no domination specialists...
Also was walking through hannam dong and the "Asian" side of Itaewon this evening and saw a lot of japanese/chinese clubs..
Anyone have any info on these? one club was called silk right near the pedestrian bridge at the edge of Hannam dong by the motorway towards Kangnam....
any info appreciated:)
Hey Freeway,
Those pictures you took were great, got anymore?
PM me if you do.
Thanks
Freeway:
those are some nice pictures you got there, I assume you got them off some websites, can you tell us the websites or how you got them. I fou have any more can you post them.
Seoul Blade
10-23-03, 01:28
Mingman,
I'm sorry but you're quite mistaken. I never badmouthed YJG. That place has some great looking girls, but those pretty girls will only go for Korean men, not for the foreign traveler. If you're a foreigner but are not Asian (Chinese or Japanese), you'll only get girls in the dead alleys who are overweight and nasty. And now that this new restriction policy against non-asians is going on over there, it's even worse. Let's be real here. You can spew all you want about how good that place is and how the service is and how the girls are pretty, but let's face it: YJG is for Koreans and is a heaven for Koreans only.
The gripe that I have is: I usually have no problem catching girls regularly in clubs and I am always told that I am very good looking, but when I have to follow my Korean friends to places like these, I get the short end of the stick, so to speak. That's why I don't like to go there anymore.
This isn't about racism, this isn't about complaining. I'm not trying to sound like another complainer in this forum, but the truth is the truth, and I'm just telling it like it is. Don't waste your time going there if you're not Asian.
It's been awhile since I've posted. The Hill in Itaewon has become a real freak show with all the trannies on it, and I don't mean the kind of tranny in your car, either. I mean the kind that you will find at "Madrid", "Trans Rose", and "Ambrosia". (although Mindy at Ambrosia is cool) I hope that you're all aware of this. I also got some photos to post that will knock your socks off. Later
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