Seoul

[Dexter88]

Hi,

I apologize if this is the wrong forum for this. I'm a white American, not especially a big guy, but clearly not Korean. I like the window-shopping (or fishbowl) experience. How easy / hard will it be for me to get service in a place like Cheonho or YLD? It's hard to say from reading the forums. As a reference, forums give wildly different responses about foreigners getting service in a place like Tobits Shinchi in Osaka, but for my part I have found that to be very easy. At least 50% and probably more like 75-80% of girls there are willing. Anyway, any help would be appreciated.

Thanks!The glass house girls make most of their money from locals (Koreans). Korean guys don't want to have sex with someone who has just had sex with a foreigner (for a number of reasons). So, visit a glass house area when it isn't busy and approach a girl when there aren't any Korean guys around.

[All For Bb]

Hi friends,

I haven't book the hotel yet for my trip next week. After reading ISG, considering the following 3. Question: which is more convenient for actions (no need to consider the price because it is a business trip, can be covered, convenience for mongering is most important), please advise:

1. Gangnam Artnouveau City.

49, Seocho-daero 74-gil, Seocho-gu.

Seoul, Seoul 06626.

About US $ 130/ night, including brackfast.


2. Shilla Stay Seocho.

427, Hyoryeong-ro, Seocho-gu.

Seoul, 06628.

About US $ 155/ night, including brackfast.


3. Novotel Ambassdor.

130, Bongeunsa-ro, Gangnam-gu.

About US $180 per night, no brackfast.


Please advise. Thank you so very much!

[CakeJake]

Hi. I read somewhere boit a place called best anma in Seoul. Does anyone have any directions.

Also, I used to know a great lip cafe that recently closed. Does can anyone help me find a replacement? Anyone have directions to a lip cafe in Seoul?Hi!

I have asked some of my colleagues who have been to Seoul and they tell me that we can find escorts in the Gangnam area, especially if you ask about the Star or the Fiona. Many passers-by and taxi drivers are used to taking people to these places. I have also been told that normally they have red or pink lights on the door, which comes in handy for identifying them.

[OralSea]

Who ever it is, stop harassing women on backpage by sending them rude and degrading emails knowing they read ISG. Someone here used my info and now they think it was me. Not cool at all.

[Rxyz123]

Thanks a lot. I appreciate it.


The glass house girls make most of their money from locals (Koreans). Korean guys don't want to have sex with someone who has just had sex with a foreigner (for a number of reasons). So, visit a glass house area when it isn't busy and approach a girl when there aren't any Korean guys around.

[All For Bb]

Hi fellow mongerers, ISG members.

Please see below and advise. I need to make the hotel reservation today or tomorrw the latest. Your opinions will be great appreciated.

All4 bb.


Hi friends,

I haven't book the hotel yet for my trip next week. After reading ISG, considering the following 3. Question: which is more convenient for actions (no need to consider the price because it is a business trip, can be covered, convenience for mongering is most important), please advise:

1. Gangnam Artnouveau City.

49, Seocho-daero 74-gil, Seocho-gu.

Seoul, Seoul 06626.

About US $ 130/ night, including brackfast.


2. Shilla Stay Seocho.

427, Hyoryeong-ro, Seocho-gu.

Seoul, 06628.

About US $ 155/ night, including brackfast.


3. Novotel Ambassdor.

130, Bongeunsa-ro, Gangnam-gu.

About US $180 per night, no brackfast.


Please advise. Thank you so very much!

[All For Bb]

No one want to even say a word for advising? Too busy for mongering yourselves? Disappointing!


Hi friends,

I haven't book the hotel yet for my trip next week. After reading ISG, considering the following 3. Question: which is more convenient for actions (no need to consider the price because it is a business trip, can be covered, convenience for mongering is most important), please advise:

1. Gangnam Artnouveau City.

49, Seocho-daero 74-gil, Seocho-gu.

Seoul, Seoul 06626.

About US $ 130/ night, including brackfast.


2. Shilla Stay Seocho.

427, Hyoryeong-ro, Seocho-gu.

Seoul, 06628.

About US $ 155/ night, including brackfast.


3. Novotel Ambassdor.

130, Bongeunsa-ro, Gangnam-gu.

About US $180 per night, no brackfast.


Please advise. Thank you so very much!

[LovinAsia]

No one want to even say a word for advising? Too busy for mongering yourselves? Disappointing!They are all in gangnam area not a big difference.

[SpicMag]

No one want to even say a word for advising? Too busy for mongering yourselves? Disappointing!You should try Stay Hotel Gangnam (15-4, Nonhyeon-ro 87-gil, Gangnam-gu, Gangnam-Gu, Seoul, South Korea) in Gangnam district. It is a newly opened hotel and has close access to subway station (Yeoksam station) which is just 2 stops away from Gangnam. I had a suite room there and it fits your budget. Room is pretty standard with a nice king size bed, but the bathroom was huge with a large bathtub. The front desk are very accommodating with mongering activities there.

Cheers.

[CityDweller]

I am staying at the Westin Chosun and didn't want to make the trek to another neighborhood tonight, so decided to give Aqua a try. Found their add on BP, called and they offered to send Mina immediately. She arrived quite quickly. Actually 10 minutes early which was nice. Paid her the 280 k and she then took a solo shower. She was very nice. Cute but not quite hot. Great body and a good attitude, but was a little scripted when it came to the deed. After a good bit of pounding she made it clear she wanted me to finish soon. I decided if that's what she wanted then she'd have to finish me with more BBBJ and she let me bust in her mouth. To her credit, she took it like a champ. It was good enough, but suppose I've had hotter and better quality K-girl experiences at the full service AMP's in New York. Overall a fun time and got what I expected.

[Sterlo]

I am a white guy that lives in Seoul (just moved from Jeju) but came back from a recent holiday in Russia with a taste for their girls. Usually get my K-girls from Tinder and monger here with Pinays. Anyway been craving a Russkie and after a reference from a friend contacted an agency and arranged for a blonde Russian girl. Surprised that it was actually the girl in the pictures, that never happens with agencies! Her name was Kate (Katya) but she uses the Americanised name because a lot of Koreans are frightened to contact Russian girls because they think they are in the mafia. Every day I learn something new and weird about this place.

She didn't look dangerous, about 5'4 and petite with great enhanced breasts that bounced wonderfully. Wearing a tight little black dress that clung to her wonderfully. She had a couple of tattoos (which I hate on a girl) but she hid them in her pictures, clever girl. Agreed one hour for 200, which is less than she should get here but as if I am going to tell her that. Started with a shower and then a nice long BJ. I was feeling lazy and she was good at it, so it went about 30 min. Then railed her in a few positions, wouldn't let me cum on those awesome tits though. Went to the shower afterwards and I opted to extend for another hour so I could enjoy round two. Went overtime but she didn't seem to mind but then her phone started going off after an extra 30 min so somebody did. Russian mafia?

Great experience, will definitely repeat, easily a 9/10. A fantastic GFE. They also have some Latinas and I am going to try those out, never had a South American. Will let you know when I explore this new frontier.

[Sad Sam]

Hey guys,

I've been lurking these forums for a little over a year now so I thought now might be a good time to finally have some input back into the forum. So a little about me so you can get a feel for how my experiences went; I'm 25, around 6 foot 1, in decent shape and half Korean. Koreans typically think I'm white and white people think I'm Korean. I also speak a grand total of zero Korean.

If you have any specific questions regarding any place, let me know. So places I've been:

MVP VIP:.Thank you for some great info. Can you give exact directions for this MVP VIP please? I plan to be in Seoul for a few days next week and would love to try it.

It seems like you can not receive PMs. I was hoping you or someone on the site can help out with officetels. I have been wanting to try them out but do not know any Korean. Feel free to PM me if someone is willing to help. We can go together one night next week. Thanks in advance.

[KyleIrving]

Thank you for some great info. Can you give exact directions for this MVP VIP please? I plan to be in Seoul for a few days next week and would love to try it.

It seems like you can not receive PMs. I was hoping you or someone on the site can help out with officetels. I have been wanting to try them out but do not know any Korean. Feel free to PM me if someone is willing to help. We can go together one night next week. Thanks in advance.Hey man,

MVP VIP is at gangnam station exit 5. As you leave exit 5, walk maybe 20-50 feet and there should be a road to turn right. That corner has a multi level building with a see you store, I think a Cafe, and a restaurant downstairs. You go in then go inside the building then go downstairs I think two floors. Should be on the same floor as a restaurant and a laundry mat. And it's fairly obvious when you see it. Has neon lights and two spinning polls.

I managed to get an account on adal5 as well LOL. I had a Korean friend go through the account creation process for me so what I did this past week was message pretty much every officetel and asked if they accept foreigners. Like 80 percent said no but a few said yea and I saved their info. I went with one of them and he took me to the room on a fine Korean girl. However, I don't think they were on the same page. When I got inside she was trying to speak Korean and I couldn't. So she was shocked then called the guy and said stuff. He calls me and says I'm so sorry she is uncomfortable with someone who doesn't speak Korean. Can I give you a Russian girl? I said ugh fine. Got a 30 dollar discount though which was nice. And the Russian girl wasn't bad at all. She looked good and was really like a sex nymph. She was soaked and loving it and took my condom off herself. So that was nice. Was a good time. I have the number to the officetel that said they accept foreigners if I'm able to post a numbers on this forum let me know.

[KyleIrving]

Thank you for some great info. Can you give exact directions for this MVP VIP please? I plan to be in Seoul for a few days next week and would love to try it.

It seems like you can not receive PMs. I was hoping you or someone on the site can help out with officetels. I have been wanting to try them out but do not know any Korean. Feel free to PM me if someone is willing to help. We can go together one night next week. Thanks in advance.I would meet up with you as well. I work every other day so I have a lot of random days off.

[Sterlo]

Thank you for some great info. Can you give exact directions for this MVP VIP please? I plan to be in Seoul for a few days next week and would love to try it.

It seems like you can not receive PMs. I was hoping you or someone on the site can help out with officetels. I have been wanting to try them out but do not know any Korean. Feel free to PM me if someone is willing to help. We can go together one night next week. Thanks in advance.That is great that everyone thinks you are a foreigner. Does that help or hinder you in Korea?

[All For Bb]

I would meet up with you as well. I work every other day so I have a lot of random days off.Hi,

I stay in Gangnam Artnouveau City Hotel very close to exit 5 of the Gangnam station and will be here for next 2 days. Can we meet? Or can you provide Officetel phone number near the Gangnam station? Thanks! I sent you a PM but was reject indicating you do not receive PM. You may fix it.

Thanks much!

All4 bb.

[All For Bb]

I was in VIP yesterday, did two, one former USSR country next to Russia (Pakistan?) One Korean. Price 120 KW X2. 45 minutes each. Both about 30 years old, not my type (I like younger Korean in their early 20's). I was told, for such type of young Korean girls, I have to find them in Officetel or at high-end of places like Castel (Hara), and pay 270-280 kw. Is that right?

Many places in the reports with 160 kw or lower, only do regular massage plus hand / blow jobs, no intercourse (VIP is different, but girls are too old). I hope someone provide officetel phone numbers in the area through PM, or meet, or go to Castle, etc, in that area (just two stops from Gangnam station). Please comment / suggest.

Thanks.

[KyleIrving]

I was in VIP yesterday, did two, one former USSR country next to Russia (Pakistan?) One Korean. Price 120 KW X2. 45 minutes each. Both about 30 years old, not my type (I like younger Korean in their early 20's). I was told, for such type of young Korean girls, I have to find them in Officetel or at high-end of places like Castel (Hara), and pay 270-280 kw. Is that right?

Many places in the reports with 160 kw or lower, only do regular massage plus hand / blow jobs, no intercourse (VIP is different, but girls are too old). I hope someone provide officetel phone numbers in the area through PM, or meet, or go to Castle, etc, in that area (just two stops from Gangnam station). Please comment / suggest.

Thanks.What is this castle Hara place you are talking about? Never heard of it. I've been to eve once like a year ago and heard they recently changed to start Anma. Been meaning to try that out.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

Hey man,

MVP VIP is at gangnam station exit 5. As you leave exit 5, walk maybe 20-50 feet and there should be a road to turn right. That corner has a multi level building with a see you store, I think a Cafe, and a restaurant downstairs. You go in then go inside the building then go downstairs I think two floors. Should be on the same floor as a restaurant and a laundry mat. And it's fairly obvious when you see it. Has neon lights and two spinning polls.

I managed to get an account on adal5 as well LOL. I had a Korean friend go through the account creation process for me so what I did this past week was message pretty much every officetel and asked if they accept foreigners. Like 80 percent said no but a few said yea and I saved their info. I went with one of them and he took me to the room on a fine Korean girl. However, I don't think they were on the same page. When I got inside she was trying to speak Korean and I couldn't. So she was shocked then called the guy and said stuff. He calls me and says I'm so sorry she is uncomfortable with someone who doesn't speak Korean. Can I give you a Russian girl? I said ugh fine. Got a 30 dollar discount though which was nice. And the Russian girl wasn't bad at all. She looked good and was really like a sex nymph. She was soaked and loving it and took my condom off herself. So that was nice. Was a good time. I have the number to the officetel that said they accept foreigners if I'm able to post a numbers on this forum let me know.Great info bri, thanks.

[All For Bb]

What is this castle Hara place you are talking about? Never heard of it. I've been to eve once like a year ago and heard they recently changed to start Anma. Been meaning to try that out.Castle (Hera) Anma. Seolleung station.

Description.

Exit 2, one block west ($5 taxi ride). 37.502968, 127.045887 Prices: 270 k KRW.

Can we meet this evening or tomorrow afternoon for officetel? I am leaving on Saturday. Please PM me.

There are two eve? Old one closed? If yes, what is new "start" location? How to get there?

[Rasky32]

Hello everyone,

New to scene out here so looking to chat with someone and perhaps learn the ropes. This place is very different from my usual grounds. Been reading through post and looks like there's plenty of great info here so thanks for all the info sharing. I do have a paid account but for some reason I never got the confirmation email so some features don't quite work for me while others do. So please pm me. Been using massagerepublic since I got out here, but am now curious about the districts and anmas so any information would be great.

[Sterlo]

OMG are all Latinas that good? My first south american ever, easily 10/10. It was like having Shakira dancing on my cock. Already extended, going back for more. Thank you Hugo Chavez for fucking up your country.

[KgirlPower]

Very clean and equiped with heated bidet water spout for nice cleansing.


OMG are all Latinas that good? My first south american ever, easily 10/10. It was like having Shakira dancing on my cock. Already extended, going back for more. Thank you Hugo Chavez for fucking up your country.

[KgirlPower]

Didn't realize russian girls offer that service as well. Was it extra fee?


Hey man,

MVP VIP is at gangnam station exit 5. As you leave exit 5, walk maybe 20-50 feet and there should be a road to turn right. That corner has a multi level building with a see you store, I think a Cafe, and a restaurant downstairs. You go in then go inside the building then go downstairs I think two floors. Should be on the same floor as a restaurant and a laundry mat. And it's fairly obvious when you see it. Has neon lights and two spinning polls.

I managed to get an account on adal5 as well LOL. I had a Korean friend go through the account creation process for me so what I did this past week was message pretty much every officetel and asked if they accept foreigners. Like 80 percent said no but a few said yea and I saved their info. I went with one of them and he took me to the room on a fine Korean girl. However, I don't think they were on the same page. When I got inside she was trying to speak Korean and I couldn't. So she was shocked then called the guy and said stuff. He calls me and says I'm so sorry she is uncomfortable with someone who doesn't speak Korean. Can I give you a Russian girl? I said ugh fine. Got a 30 dollar discount though which was nice. And the Russian girl wasn't bad at all. She looked good and was really like a sex nymph. She was soaked and loving it and took my condom off herself. So that was nice. Was a good time. I have the number to the officetel that said they accept foreigners if I'm able to post a numbers on this forum let me know.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

Hey guys,

I've been lurking these forums for a little over a year now so I thought now might be a good time to finally have some input back into the forum. So a little about me so you can get a feel for how my experiences went; I'm 25, around 6 foot 1, in decent shape and half Korean. Koreans typically think I'm white and white people think I'm Korean. I also speak a grand total of zero Korean.

If you have any specific questions regarding any place, let me know. So places I've been:

MVP VIP:

This place is pretty great and I used to come here a lot but I have since gotten a tad tired of it. The price is about 110 k won and they do full service and sometimes have a quick and weak massage to start it off. The girls here are older, I'd say around 30's but don't look bad really. They speak pretty much zero English amongst the 5-6 girls I've seen there. However, I'm pretty sure if you wanted or tried, you could get their numbers and meet them outside if that's your thing. I've gotten 3 of their kakaos and they try to use translate apps to invite me to coffee / ice-cream and what not. 2 of them also let me go bareback surprisingly so that's a pretty good time. The place itself is kind of shady looking and pretty depressing. From messaging one of them I learned they actually live there upstairs. So the price is great, the service is pretty great, but their looks could use some improvement. I forgot her name, but she's from a xxxxstan country like Kazakhstan / Uzbekistan or something and she's probably my favorite there.

Backpage ads:

I've given backpage so many chances. Probably around 10 girls and each time it disappoints me. They have such high prices ranging from 200 k to around 260 k and they really don't offer much. They do look better and I've gotten pretty good at spotting fake ads for agencies. Those are the ones you have to look out for. The agencies that bait and switch normally have the worst girls. They seem extremely uninterested / bored / want to leave. Some don't even kiss. Amazing. However, there are some gems in there. The ones that are great are typical the actual independent girls. I normally do a search of "incall" and those are normally the best. These one Japanese independent girl on there names riku? Niku? Something like that. She's really skinny and I wouldn't recommend her at all although she's independent.

Mirai Texas:

I went here like a month or two ago and god is this place awful. I legitimately almost threw up walking in the area. I had no problem getting old ladies to call me to their room display thing where a girl sits on the floor. I spent like 80 K and got full service from a girl with a nice face but really saggy body. She offered no condom but I declined seeing how shady the place was. Anyways, horrible and I likely wouldn't come here ever again or recommend it.

Ace anma:

To be honest, anma's seem to get a lot of hate on here but ace is pretty great and the one I would typically recommend. I've had 3 different girls and they are always really hot. The service is really GFE type and it feels extremely clean. They make small talk, seem interested in you, don't rush anything. Its great. Its pretty expensive though at around 280 k for foreigners.

Tiffany anma:

Pretty much a worse version of ACE at everything. Locations a tad farther from me, girl didn't look as good, spoke less English, cost about the same. Took me forever to find this place as its hidden in plain sight.

Fish anma:

Walked up, they asked if I'm Korean (in Korean) I said no then they said no foreigners. No go for me.

Bella spa (or whatever it is):

They give a massage and oral / HJ for I think it was 130 k? I would actually come here a lot if the massage was good. A older woman in her 40's or 50's comes in and gives you a massage followed by a younger girl to finish you off. The old woman gives a really crap massage. It feels like quick slaps mostly and really fast pushes into my skin. No real rubbing or attempt to massage so meh. Place was ok if you want to give it a shot.

Eve anma:

The 3 girl thing was pretty fun but was near impossible to cum on the third girl. The first girl comes in and gets right to work with getting you to cum. EThe second girl comes in and gives you an erotic chair massage thing. She actually licked my butt hole. Strangest feeling ever. You don't have sex with her and then the 3rd girl comes in. Mine was decent looking bit was a heavy smoker which smelled awful. Price was around 270 k.

Oficetel:

Probably the best price for service. I have a Korean coworker who set this up for us. Its essentially the same kind of feel as an anma at like 120 k but for mostly Koreans only. My coworker texted some number and the guy told my friend to go to some random hotel. We get there let the phone guy know we arrived, meet him and pay him the money. He shows us pictures on his phone of who's available. I take my pick then he tells me the room number to go to and knock. I do just that and this fine k pop looking girl answers the door. We make small talk. Then shower together, go back massage a bit then FS. No rush at all and the guy will call her personal phone when times like 10 minutes form up. If you can get into this, its definitely the best option.

Anyways, if you have any questions about locations or anything just let me know and I'll answer them for ya. I would go more in depth but I'm getting pretty lazy with my typing.Ace anma and mvp vip looks like the place to be.

[KyleIrving]

Didn't realize russian girls offer that service as well. Was it extra fee?Yea it was bareback but she didn't charge extra. Like at officetel, you pay the guy that's sort of like a pimp. I met him at a convenient store. So you negotiate price through him. Then when you pay, he just says OK go to that building floor whatever room whatever. Then you go knock and the girl answers then you go at it.

So I remember she wasn't actually Russian looking back. She was Ukrainian. Regardless I was trying to sneak the condom off. Like you know rubbing the clit while going at it. Then when you thrust in, use my fingers to push against the condom ring as you pull out then rinse and repeat till it comes off. I got it about half way then she just reaches down and takes it off and throws it away. I think she knew what I was up to.

[KyleIrving]

Ace anma and mvp vip looks like the place to be.MVP VIP for price and service. Ace for quality and service. Eve for experience.

[All For Bb]

What is this castle Hara place you are talking about? Never heard of it. I've been to eve once like a year ago and heard they recently changed to start Anma. Been meaning to try that out.I was there last night. Receptionists were friendly and speak ok English. I was told 270 kw for 2 hours (1 hour massage + 1 hour S&F). I said I needed only 1 hour without massage. Then was told 220 kw. A young (in early 20's) 165 cm, slim, good looking Korean girl with great light skin color came in. Small tits but great legs, feet, hip. I had a good time. I told them I will come again tonight. They advise to come after 10:00 pm, because these young Korean beauty start late in the day. Is that true for other places such as ACE (night VS day shift)? Can such price structure 220 kw work for ACE instead of 280 rip off for foreigner? I don't need one hour massage.

I will leave tomorrow evening. I plan to try ACE or VIP in the afternoon. Hope will find some young beauties in the afternoon. Unfortunately, KyleIrving did not help with officetel. You are too busy yourselves, and no PM.

How to get to EVE? You can easily advise on this. No time to read old reports at this moment. Thanks for your advise.

[Sad Sam]

MVP VIP for price and service. Ace for quality and service. Eve for experience.How late is MVP open? Also, KyleIrving, would love to meet up with you to try out an officetel as I have no Korean connection or language skills to pull that off.

I will be there next week staying near the Courtyard Marriott near City Hall. But don't know how to connect with you.

[Phloppy]

I found a pretty good Hyugyetel near Gongreung called Orange. First time, I asked if they accepted foreigners and he said OK. Then he gave me directions to the place. First time I chose 1+Massage+1. They ask if you want a solo shower, I accepted. First girl I chose was a skinny, spunky Thai girl. She was a lot of fun, really enjoys (or acts like it very well) the time and will pretty much let you do anything accept anal. Right after you finish an older (she said 44) Thai lady comes in and gives a pretty good 40 deep tissue minute massage. Second, I chose a k-pop girl (for an extra 10,000 won) and while she was hot she was a bit mechanical. Either way, worth my time.

I also went to Hooker Hill on a weekend. Still some good ass to be had. Across from the old Texas bar is a place with a pretty girl named Su-jin. Can't remember the name of the bar. She was really sweet but knew what she had to do. I dropped 10 on my drink and 20 on the lady drink. Then she quotes me 200 k for FS. I low balled her at 60 k and she was offended and told me she wasn't a cheap girl. Fair enough. She came back with 100 k and I agreed. Good GFE experience with some fondling and kissing on the couch while we finished our drinks. She was happy I spoke Korean and she was pretty damn hot with the dirty talk. The deed was anything but mechanical, but she did not let me lick her pussy. Said it would cost 50 k more. Anyways, a good time.

That same evening I was contemplating another of the pretty ladies on the Hill but I decided for another massage+1 at Orange instead. Asked for the same skinny spunky Thai girl. She remembered me. They must not get foreigners much. Again a great time with a fun girl.

As an aside, I must say I enjoy the Thai girls or the Hooker Hill girls best. I am above average in size and they never have a problem taking it all in. Most Korean girls who have not had foreigners much have a hard time taking it all and mostly they just tell me it hurts.

I'm glad to see the Hill still has some quality. If you speak enough Korean to get through a simple phone conversation and get directions, I would recommend Orange.

[Sad Sam]

MVP VIP for price and service. Ace for quality and service. Eve for experience.How late is MVP open? Thanks.

[KyleIrving]

How late is MVP open? Thanks.To be honest man I'm not sure. Latest I've been is around 11 pm.

[KyleIrving]

I was there last night. Receptionists were friendly and speak ok English. I was told 270 kw for 2 hours (1 hour massage + 1 hour S&F). I said I needed only 1 hour without massage. Then was told 220 kw. A young (in early 20's) 165 cm, slim, good looking Korean girl with great light skin color came in. Small tits but great legs, feet, hip. I had a good time. I told them I will come again tonight. They advise to come after 10:00 pm, because these young Korean beauty start late in the day. Is that true for other places such as ACE (night VS day shift)? Can such price structure 220 kw work for ACE instead of 280 rip off for foreigner? I don't need one hour massage.

I will leave tomorrow evening. I plan to try ACE or VIP in the afternoon. Hope will find some young beauties in the afternoon. Unfortunately, KyleIrving did not help with officetel. You are too busy yourselves, and no PM.

How to get to EVE? You can easily advise on this. No time to read old reports at this moment. Thanks for your advise.Sorry man. I'm pretty sure they are dead set on the increased foreigner pricing. I think the mentality is to them they are doing us a service by even letting us. So no way the charge less.

I'm sorry! I'm not sure how to pm. I'm new to posting. I'm pretty sure I have to actually pay money to pm so I'm not about to pay to help others out. But you can honestly do what I did. Meet literally any Korean and have them translate the account creation screen on adal5. Then go make a Korean email by go ogling Korean email. I forgot which one I used but it was simple. Then, once the account is created, log in preferably with Google Chrome and use their Google translate web app. From there, the left had side has officetel in gangnam, officetel in Suwon, other area, massage parlors, etc as categories. Click office gangnam. Then it's like a Craigslist style listing of ads. Click like the first 15. Messenger them all and ask if they accept foreigners. Most will sat no but a few say yes. Unfortunately, Google translate doesn't work on the actual ads themselves because they are uploaded images like posters. Not actual text. I would give the contact info if I'm allowed to post phone numbers up here. Could someone advise if that's allowed or not?

[All For Bb]

Questions:

1. You were actually come in pussy (CIP)? She did not worry?

2. Since she seems not worry abot bareback and CIP, did you worry, because she might let many men do this?

3. Lot of girls have white stuff while pull out, change positions. These are infections? Or nothing to worry about much using your techniques?

3. Any more teaching on how to do it skillfully?

Thanks!


Yea it was bareback but she didn't charge extra. Like at officetel, you pay the guy that's sort of like a pimp. I met him at a convenient store. So you negotiate price through him. Then when you pay, he just says OK go to that building floor whatever room whatever. Then you go knock and the girl answers then you go at it.

So I remember she wasn't actually Russian looking back. She was Ukrainian. Regardless I was trying to sneak the condom off. Like you know rubbing the clit while going at it. Then when you thrust in, use my fingers to push against the condom ring as you pull out then and repeat till it comes off. I got it about half way then she just reaches down and takes it off and throws it away. I think she knew what I was up to.

[KyleIrving]

Questions:

1. You were actually come in pussy (CIP)? She did not worry?

2. Since she seems not worry abot bareback and CIP, did you worry, because she might let many men do this?

3. Lot of girls have white stuff while pull out, change positions. These are infections? Or nothing to worry about much using your techniques?

3. Any more teaching on how to do it skillfully?

Thanks!1. Nah I only CIP like one time. Other times I already feel kind of rude sneaking the condom off. So I didn't want to be a total dick and CIP too.

2. Actually, if they offer bareback I reject it because of that reason. If they don't offer it and it's a cleaner area like an anma, I sneak it off and feel safe. Clean thus far.

3. LOL kind of a weird question but in my experience, women have a cream during their times of ovulation. It's not infections or anything. Old cum in there would look like cottage cheese. But regular creamy white is normal.

4. Well what I do is as I said. You rub the clit then go deep enough that the entire condom is in. As you rub the clit, press down against your penis behind the condom. Then pull out and pull your hips up against your finger rubbing the clit So as you pull out it kind of pulls it off as well. It also doesn't like fall of. It makes it go inside them.

[KyleIrving]

I found a pretty good Hyugyetel near Gongreung called Orange. First time, I asked if they accepted foreigners and he said OK. Then he gave me directions to the place. First time I chose 1+Massage+1. They ask if you want a solo shower, I accepted. First girl I chose was a skinny, spunky Thai girl. She was a lot of fun, really enjoys (or acts like it very well) the time and will pretty much let you do anything accept anal. Right after you finish an older (she said 44) Thai lady comes in and gives a pretty good 40 deep tissue minute massage. Second, I chose a k-pop girl (for an extra 10,000 won) and while she was hot she was a bit mechanical. Either way, worth my time.

I also went to Hooker Hill on a weekend. Still some good ass to be had. Across from the old Texas bar is a place with a pretty girl named Su-jin. Can't remember the name of the bar. She was really sweet but knew what she had to do. I dropped 10 on my drink and 20 on the lady drink. Then she quotes me 200 k for FS. I low balled her at 60 k and she was offended and told me she wasn't a cheap girl. Fair enough. She came back with 100 k and I agreed. Good GFE experience with some fondling and kissing on the couch while we finished our drinks. She was happy I spoke Korean and she was pretty damn hot with the dirty talk. The deed was anything but mechanical, but she did not let me lick her pussy. Said it would cost 50 k more. Anyways, a good time.

That same evening I was contemplating another of the pretty ladies on the Hill but I decided for another massage+1 at Orange instead. Asked for the same skinny spunky Thai girl. She remembered me. They must not get foreigners much. Again a great time with a fun girl.

As an aside, I must say I enjoy the Thai girls or the Hooker Hill girls best. I am above average in size and they never have a problem taking it all in. Most Korean girls who have not had foreigners much have a hard time taking it all and mostly they just tell me it hurts.

I'm glad to see the Hill still has some quality. If you speak enough Korean to get through a simple phone conversation and get directions, I would recommend Orange.Got any more info on how to get here at Orange? Also are you white? Were they foreigner friendly?

[All For Bb]

1. Nah I only CIP like one time. Other times I already feel kind of rude sneaking the condom off. So I didn't want to be a total dick and CIP too.

Really?

2. Actually, if they offer bareback I reject it because of that reason. If they don't offer it and it's a cleaner area like an anma, I sneak it off and feel safe. Clean thus far.

Good point indeed! Me too, if it was offered, I reject. If not, should be relative clean pussy.

3. LOL kind of a weird question but in my experience, women have a cream during their times of ovulation. It's not infections or anything. Old cum in there would look like cottage cheese. But regular creamy white is normal.

Thanks for advise. You are expert of girls and pussy!

4. Well what I do is as I said. You rub the clit then go deep enough that the entire condom is in. As you rub the clit, press down against your penis behind the condom. Then pull out and pull your hips up against your finger rubbing the clit So as you pull out it kind of pulls it off as well. It also doesn't like fall of. It makes it go inside them.

Still confuse. "You rub the clit", mean rub girls' clits? "... pull your hips up against your finger rubbing the clit... ". What do you mean "pull your hips up. "?

I would like to learn your techniques. Yours are great!

[LovinAsia]

Still confuse. "You rub the clit", mean rub girls' clits? "... pull your hips up against your finger rubbing the clit... ". What do you mean "pull your hips up. "?
I would like to learn your techniques. Yours are great!Your posts are very strange. You sound korean.

I think you need regular GF experience first.

[KyleIrving]

Your posts are very strange. You sound korean.

I think you need regular GF experience first.Right? I couldn't tell if it was because I'm new to posting here or if I'm the weird one for thinking this is a tad strange. Just having a GF at any point would make the woman cream question fairly obvious. Felt like I was being subtly trolled.

[All For Bb]

Your posts are very strange. You sound korean.

I think you need regular GF experience first.

I am not a Korean, otherwise, I did not need KyleIrving's help on finding officetel (no need anymore since I left Korea).

Please explain how to do "pull your hips up against your finger... ". Is hip involved this technique? Excuse my understanding of this Engish word. I just want to learn from KyleIrving, his techniques. He is an expert. If everyone understand how to do it, I will try to learn more on English. Maybe hip mean pelvis here, not haunches or buttock. Please clearafy. Thanks.

[RainMania]

Why sneak BB onto a girl? That's a pretty shitty thing to do.

You either agree with her beforehand, or you let the mamasan / handler know what you want before paying.

It's already hard enough getting service in Korea, and now you're giving the few providers who are willing to see foreigners a reason to not want to service us.

[KyleIrving]

Why sneak BB onto a girl? That's a pretty shitty thing to do.

You either agree with her beforehand, or you let the mamasan / handler know what you want before paying.

It's already hard enough getting service in Korea, and now you're giving the few providers who are willing to see foreigners a reason to not want to service us.I understand where you are coming from however you are speaking of morality on a fourm made for prostitution. Pot / kettle.

Also I have never once been yelled at or spoken down to for it. Most all are willing to give me their kakaotalk after to get me to come back.

[All For Bb]

I understand where you are coming from however you are speaking of morality on a fourm made for prostitution. Pot / kettle.

Also I have never once been yelled at or spoken down to for it. Most all are willing to give me their kakaotalk after to get me to come back.Support KyleIrvong, we are here to exchange information about how to enjoy sex with prostitutes. Speaking of morality, we are all inmoral for fucking girls / women /prostitutes outside the relationships (family or dates). If you believe political correctness or "integraty", you should not even visit this web page.

KyleIrving, could you please answer my questions on "hip" things, since English is not my first language. I just want to learn from you your techniques, of course, not over do it.

[LovinAsia]

Support KyleIrvong, we are here to exchange information about how to enjoy sex with prostitutes. Speaking of morality, we are all inmoral for fucking girls / women /prostitutes outside the relationships (family or dates). If you believe political correctness or "integraty", you should not even visit this web page.

KyleIrving, could you please answer my questions on "hip" things, since English is not my first language. I just want to learn from you your techniques, of course, not over do it.The immoral part is part of the problem but the main problem is ruining things for others as places often become stricter accepting foreigners.

I think you shouldn't be in the sex forums if you don't know how to perform sex LOL. You should join some sort of "how to" sex forum.

[All For Bb]

The immoral part is part of the problem but the main problem is ruining things for others as places often become stricter accepting foreigners.

I think you shouldn't be in the sex forums if you don't know how to perform sex LOL. You should join some sort of "how to" sex forum."The immoral part is part of the problem. ", if you think so, you should not be here, since you fuck the prostitutes and is immoral too.

" the main problem is ruining things for others as places often become stricter accepting foreigners. " As indicated, these girls want see KyleIrving more and have no problem. If you looks good, and have money, not big problem. In this sense, you are selfish to worry about acceptance for yourselves, since you are a foreiner.

"how to perform sex. "? I doult you are skillful enough to do that. Have you ever done this bb fuck like KyleIrving? We should learn from the masters such as KyleIrving. That's why we are here (exchange infomation and experience), not to ague moral or immoral. We are all immoral mongers. LOL.

[LovinAsia]

"The immoral part is part of the problem. ", if you think so, you should not be here, since you fuck the prostitutes and is immoral too.

" the main problem is ruining things for others as places often become stricter accepting foreigners. " As indicated, these girls want see KyleIrving more and have no problem. If you looks good, and have money, not big problem. In this sense, you are selfish to worry about acceptance for yourselves, since you are a foreiner.

"how to perform sex. "? I doult you are skillful enough to do that. Have you ever done this bb fuck like KyleIrving? We should learn from the masters such as KyleIrving. That's why we are here (exchange infomation and experience), not to ague moral or immoral. We are all immoral mongers. LOL.Hahaha he is a master of sex because he knows how to remove a condom off during sex? Wow it doesn't take much for you to be impressed LOL.

You sound like a teenager. Like I said. Take sex education courses then start mongering. But first practice on your rubber dolls.

And by the way. I have bb with many girls that I haven't paid money to. But when it comes to service providers I prefer using condoms to prevent myself from catching what you gave them LOL.

[RainMania]

Support KyleIrvong, we are here to exchange information about how to enjoy sex with prostitutes. Speaking of morality, we are all inmoral for fucking girls / women /prostitutes outside the relationships (family or dates). If you believe political correctness or "integraty", you should not even visit this web page.

KyleIrving, could you please answer my questions on "hip" things, since English is not my first language. I just want to learn from you your techniques, of course, not over do it.The only issue here is you're taking away the girl's choice on the terms with which she agreed to service you.

Sneaking BB (also known as stealthing) can amount to [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) in some countries, and I would never endorse any punter that encourages it.

[All For Bb]

The only issue here is you're taking away the girl's choice on the terms with which she agreed to service you.

Sneaking BB (also known as stealthing) in some countries, and I would never endorse any punter that encourages it.So hypocritical!

If you are a person with so called integrity, you really should not be here. You should be with your wife or your girl friend, and never fuck a prostitute, and never visit ISG.

[All For Bb]

Hahaha he is a master of sex because he knows how to remove a condom off during sex? Wow it doesn't take much for you to be impressed LOL.

You sound like a teenager. Like I said. Take sex education courses then start mongering. But first practice on your rubber dolls.

And by the way. I have bb with many girls that I haven't paid money to. But when it comes to service providers I prefer using condoms to prevent myself from catching what you gave them LOL.I have fucked more than 3000 girls so far in my life, most of them, prostututes, with condoms (not in Korea, but in other places of course). That's why I want to learn how to fuck prostitutes without a condom effectively, if they are as clean as Korean anmas girls. Sex education does not mean sex skill. Any information and experience sharing is much better than hypocritical joking and laughing other members.

[LovinAsia]

I have fucked more than 3000 girls so far in my life, most of them, prostututes, with condoms (not in Korea, but in other places of course). That's why I want to learn how to fuck prostitutes without a condom effectively, if they are as clean as Korean anmas girls. Sex education does not mean sex skill. Any information and experience sharing is much better than hypocritical joking and laughing other members.Haha I wasnt joking. You need sex education classes. The joke is you. 3000 girls muhahahaa?? Now nobody takes you serious.

[All For Bb]

Haha I wasnt joking. You need sex education classes. The joke is you. 3000 girls muhahahaa?? Now nobody takes you serious.Plus 6 Korean girls I did last week, total of 3287 in my life (I keep a good count each time I fuck a different girl). Why did you not believe? Your number is much smaller (or larger)? I still need sex education? Can you be my teacher?

Please aswer the questions I posted below: "Please explain how to do "pull your hips up against your finger... ". Is hip involved this technique? Excuse my understanding of this Engish word. I just want to learn from KyleIrving, his techniques. He is an expert. If everyone understand how to do it, I will try to learn more on English. Maybe hip mean pelvis here, not haunches or buttock. Please clearafy".

I am still a serious learner even I did 3287 pussies (believe or not, it up to you, however, there is no need to make it up for me). I just want to make a point, sharing information and experience is much better than joking other members unfriendly, or hypocritically.

[Wimble]

Plus 6 Korean girls I did last week, total of 3287 in my life (I keep a good count each time I fuck a different girl). Why did you not believe? Your number is much smaller (or larger)? I still need sex education? Can you be my teacher?

Please aswer the questions I posted below: "Please explain how to do "pull your hips up against your finger... ". Is hip involved this technique? Excuse my understanding of this Engish word. I just want to learn from KyleIrving, his techniques. He is an expert. If everyone understand how to do it, I will try to learn more on English. Maybe hip mean pelvis here, not haunches or buttock. Please clearafy".

I am still a serious learner even I did 3287 pussies (believe or not, it up to you, however, there is no need to make it up for me). I just want to make a point, sharing information and experience is much better than joking other members unfriendly, or hypocritically.Magic Johnson quoted less than you before pulled out.

[LovinAsia]

Plus 6 Korean girls I did last week, total of 3287 in my life (I keep a good count each time I fuck a different girl). Why did you not believe? Your number is much smaller (or larger)? I still need sex education? Can you be my teacher?

Please aswer the questions I posted below: "Please explain how to do "pull your hips up against your finger... ". Is hip involved this technique? Excuse my understanding of this Engish word. I just want to learn from KyleIrving, his techniques. He is an expert. If everyone understand how to do it, I will try to learn more on English. Maybe hip mean pelvis here, not haunches or buttock. Please clearafy".

I am still a serious learner even I did 3287 pussies (believe or not, it up to you, however, there is no need to make it up for me). I just want to make a point, sharing information and experience is much better than joking other members unfriendly, or hypocritically.Why do you need a teacher if you had sex with over 3000 women?? Thats because you probably didn't.

And why do you want me to be your teacher. Your man crush on Kyle will keep you busy LOL.

[All For Bb]

Why do you need a teacher if you had sex with over 3000 women?? Thats because you probably didn't.

And why do you want me to be your teacher. Your man crush on Kyle will keep you busy LOL.I still want to learn from him his skill to make my fucking better.

You just cannot believe a person who fucked over 3000 women need to learn more skill? Halfner, over 2000, a man in news in Japan (a principle of a high school) fucked over 10000 in Philipine, a NBA player, people say he did over 10000, but he recently admited only did 1000, they all say they still need to learn.

You are too naive, too young, to look down your fellow mongers. You sound a Korean.

[LovinAsia]

I still want to learn from him his skill to make my fucking better.

You just cannot believe a person who fucked over 3000 women need to learn more skill? Halfner, over 2000, a man in news in Japan (a principle of a high school) fucked over 10000 in Philipine, a NBA player, people say he did over 10000, but he recently admited only did 1000, they all say they still need to learn.

You are too naive, too young, to look down your fellow mongers. You sound a Korean.Yeah I don't need to learn how to take a condom off during sex LOL you're the one who sounds young and immature.

[RainMania]

So hypocritical!

If you are a person with so called integrity, you really should not be here. You should be with your wife or your girl friend, and never fuck a prostitute, and never visit ISG.Hypocritical? The difference between me and you is I don't try to sneak around stealthing people.

You really have no idea how much trouble it can get you into do you? If you're lucky the girl might simply call the police and cry rap3. You'll be charged and will have to pay her compensation, you might even face some jail time if the prosecutor really wants it. If you're unlucky she'll call the pimp, who will call his security and they'll go party on your face.

In both scenarios you not only fucked up for yourself, but you also fucked up for other foreigners who would most likely be blackballed from that service provider / agency.

[KyleIrving]

The only issue here is you're taking away the girl's choice on the terms with which she agreed to service you.

Sneaking BB (also known as stealthing) can amount to n some countries, and I would never endorse any punter that encourages it.You see it varies in my opinion. Do you ask every girl at all times "can I kiss you?" "Can I suck your nipples?" "Can I finger you?" Koreans surprisingly hate this for some reason "can I lick your neck?" "can I suck your toe?" if that's your fetish. Or whatever fetish you have like smelling hair or something weird. Personally I do not. I just feel for how the woman reacts and DP the same. Like I'll start moving my hand down to finger her and if she pull my hand back up then I won't do it. Like when I take the condom off o say "oh no the condom slipped off" then they will either say oh it's OK keep going or stop and get a new one. If they get a new one I just keep it on.

Its honestly quite disappointing to be preached to about morals on a prostitution site mention to spread information. What information does saying "that's fucked up you shouldn't be an ass hole" provide? Most anyone could come on this site and go "you all are fucked up for even hiring prostitutes. You are all assholes. " in the same light as trying to shame me, we all are contributing to a horrible business. You think every prostitute is some college girl paying off her bills? Not in the slightest. Most are forced to because they don't have talents, skills, or education and forced to or be homeless. You could argue "they are providing a service" but try explaining that logic to literally anyone in your daily life and see how that goes. Prostitution in and of itself is immoral. You are paying a woman to use her body. Half of us on here are married or dating as well. Is cheating on them OK? Or should we scold people for being married or dating.

I'd personally argue, what makes foreigners look worse is being fat ugly fucks with larger than Korean cocks and the stereotype of having foreign infections. I've noticed the cheaper you go the more they care about looks. In MVP VIP, they offer to go BB and CIP. But I went to a few higher end pick-your-girl, sing karaoke, hang out, drink with them for a hour or two with friends and all the girls, then individually go upstairs to your rooms to fuck. Those girls were expensive. Like 400-500. And they honestly didn't give a fuck that I was half my coworkers age and in good shape. The chick I picked was not having it when she found out I wasn't t buying tons of drinks. While my coworker was getting all the attention. We all paid but he got much more attention and they genuinely looked interested in him. Also, it goes all the way down to free. Back when I used to club in Hongdae two years ago, they gave zero fuck how much money you had. You could buy one drink all night and still fuck if you look good and are charming.

So my experience is cheaper = more personal and want not fat fucks. Expensive = don't give a fuck and wants money.

Anyways, it's a pity this has turned into a pissing contest. I came here to spread information with others who enjoy the same hobby and instead I am being scolded. It's very disheartening and makes me not want to help you guys with anything.

To all for BB, I can't help you man. I tried to explain it as best I could but at this point I think you have to try it and get a personal feel for how it works for you.

[KyleIrving]

Hypocritical? The difference between me and you is I don't try to sneak around stealthing people.

You really have no idea how much trouble it can get you into do you? If you're lucky the girl might simply call the police and cry rap3. You'll be charged and will have to pay her compensation, you might even face some jail time if the prosecutor really wants it. If you're unlucky she'll call the pimp, who will call his security and they'll go party on your face.

In both scenarios you not only fucked up for yourself, but you also fucked up for other foreigners who would most likely be blackballed from that service provider / agency.LOL that is amazingly hypocritical. You are on a Prostitution forum. You can go to jail for years for simply paying women for sex. That act itself is illegal yet you act holier than thou. You are at the mercy of the prostitute at all time. She could simply say you [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) her and the bouncer will beat your face in. It's not a legal business under no legal protection so when you go into a secluded room to do an illegal activity, you are already at risk of jail / being assaulted.

Secondly I am beginning to question your experiences. Taking it off is not as simple as "***** take this dick weather you like it or not and shut the fuck up". I take it off. Go "oops it fell off" they either go "it's OK keep going " or "oh OK let me go get another one" in which case I leave it on.

By your example you better never have sex or touch a girl at a club because they are to drunk to consent to anything. So make sure you don't do anything at all or you're at risk for [CodeWord123] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123) and jail time! Your examples are so extreme and out of touch with reality. It's not black and white and takes a rational decision in the moment to make an adult decision.

Half the experiences on here say "the girl was mechanical and not into it". Clearly they do not want to fuck you but that doesn't matter to you cause you want to treat this woman as an object and fuck her regardless. But that's morally OK to you. In these situations, I would never take it off, do my business, and be on my way.

If the girl is making good conversation, seems into you, willing to give her her kakao, then sure I'll give it a shot to take it off. At worst they say "wait a sec let me get a new one" and at that point I would agree would be amazingly ass hole to force it off or keep going when they say wait.

[All For Bb]

Magic Johnson quoted less than you before pulled out.Magic Johnson's problem was not having sex with prostitutes, or how many women he fucked. The problem was that he was using drug, and was fucking man too.

[Wimble]

Magic Johnson's problem was not having sex with prostitutes, or how many women he fucked. The problem was that he was using drug, and was fucking man too.Unfortunately, most of the women you came across have also fucked men. And, I find many women do not request condoms or specifically ask not to use one. I usually head the other way. Also, I have been told there is quite a large number of bi-men so one is really not safe.

[Phloppy]

Got any more info on how to get here at Orange? Also are you white? Were they foreigner friendly?White. You will have to find them to get location info. That's not mine to give out.

[RainMania]

Yes we are on a prostitution forum, not on a forum for tricking women into doing something they did not previously agree to do. You must think you're the only guy, or the smartest to have ever tried it.

You can try to play the dumb foreigner trick every time the girl notices you trying to stealth her, but one thing I've learned about the profession in Korea (and other countries) is that hookers talk, mostly to each other and sometimes to their pimps / mamasan. It's only a matter of time before you're pinned as the dodgy guy who tries to take the condom off without their knowledge.

And no, licking a girl's nipples without discussion / permission beforehand is not the same as stealthing her. If a girl had said at the start that she doesn't like her nipples being touched, and then the punter went on to deliberately touch / lick them. That would also be a shitty thing to do. With a condom, 99% of the time, the girl puts it on you, which means there is a mutual understanding between both of you on condom usage, so for you to take it off without her knowledge is you taking THAT CHOICE away from her.

80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done, and if I ever get the feeling a girl doesn't want to service me I walk. It's that simple! The good thing about girls refusing tonservice you is you can be rest assured they aren't being forced and are doing the job out of choice.

The few times where I started CFS with a girl, and ended up doing BBFS, either I or she made the suggestion and the other party agreed. There have even been times when a girl agreed to BBBJ or BBFS and then tried to sneak a condom on afterwards during the BJ. Guess what, that's a shitty thing to do as well!

You can doubt my experiences all you want. My record here on ISG is there for all to see, and it only details about 20-30% of my experiences in Korea. I stopped giving advice here a long time ago because too many people in this thread are happy with paying KRW 300-500 k for vanilla sex and one shot (LOL). I imagine a lot of other experienced Korea mongerers who are still in country simply decided to stay quiet for the same reason as well, and keep their gems to themselves.

Good luck with your stealthing and overpriced pussy. As for me, I'll continue to get an understanding from my providers BEFOREHAND.

[All For Bb]

Quote From Rainmania: "80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done".

Even more dangerous.

If a prostitute agreed to let you do BBFS / CIP without a condom, she would agree to every other man to fuck her and come in pussy without a condom. "80-85%" time? You had better to check out your HIV status. LOL.

Good luck with your agreeing with the girls who let you, and let every other man to fuck her without a condom before you BBFS/CIP her (your words BEFOREHAND). LOL.

[All For Bb]

Yeah I don't need to learn how to take a condom off during sex LOL you're the one who sounds young and immature.Tell us a real number: how many real pussies you fucked in your life? The more we learn, the better in mongering life. Not other way round, young man.

[RainMania]

Quote From Rainmania: "80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done".

Even more dangerous.

If a prostitute agreed to let you do BBFS / CIP without a condom, she would agree to every other man to fuck her and come in pussy without a condom. "80-85%" time? You had better to check out your HIV status. LOL.

Good luck with your agreeing with the girls who let you, and let every other man to fuck her without a condom before you BBFS/CIP her (your words BEFOREHAND). LOL.Not surprised by your response. You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not LOL. You should let scientists know of your new ability to 'feel' STIs!

I get myself checked every six months. Fingers crossed nothing yet!

Thankfully HIV rates in Korea are very low, moreso even lower when we're talking about penis-vaginal sex, and even lower when specifically talking about transmission from women to men through vaginal sex. BBFS is a risky activity, yes. Which is WHY I GIVE THE GIRL THE CHOICE on whether to do it or not, and not try to be a dickhead by stealthing her.

[All For Bb]

Not surprised by your response. You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not LOL. You should let scientists know of your new ability to 'feel' STIs!

I get myself checked every six months. Fingers crossed nothing yet!

Thankfully HIV rates in Korea are very low, moreso even lower when we're talking about penis-vaginal sex, and even lower when specifically talking about transmission from women to men through vaginal sex. BBFS is a risky activity, yes. Which is WHY I GIVE THE GIRL THE CHOICE on whether to do it or not, and not try to be a dickhead by stealthing her.Good. You are talking less about the moral issue. You realized you are an immoral monger too. LOL.

You are still in more dangerous situation though. As I stated below, I fucked a lot of girls, most of them, prostitutes, with condoms. You, 80-85% without condoms. Quote from you "You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not" . Did you read the last 2 pages of posts? I am the person who wanted to learn from the expert who shared his experience. I don't even know much how to do it, so keep asking, and need a "sex education" as LovinAsia said. No mistake and be careful before you posting.

We need more sharing, less argueling, particullally on hypocritical so-called moral hight. Thank you and good luck for fucking without condom with girls who agreed to let you do it.

[LovinAsia]

Quote From Rainmania: "80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done".

Even more dangerous.

If a prostitute agreed to let you do BBFS / CIP without a condom, she would agree to every other man to fuck her and come in pussy without a condom. "80-85%" time? You had better to check out your HIV status. LOL.

Good luck with your agreeing with the girls who let you, and let every other man to fuck her without a condom before you BBFS/CIP her (your words BEFOREHAND). LOL.Are you trying to be retarded and hypocritical or were you born that way?? LOL. You told him to check HIV status yet YOU are the one who want to go BB after sliding your condom off during FS hahaha you are such a poor YOUNG MAN.

[LovinAsia]

Tell us a real number: how many real pussies you fucked in your life? The more we learn, the better in mongering life. Not other way round, young man.Less than 3000 but more than your teenage brain can get LOL.

[RainMania]

Good. You are talking less about the moral issue. You realized you are an immoral monger too. LOL.

You are still in more dangerous situation though. As I stated below, I fucked a lot of girls, most of them, prostututes, with condoms. You, 80-85% without condoms. Quote from you "You base your stealthing on whether you 'feel' the hooker has lots of BBFS or not" . Did you read the last 2 pages of posts? I am the person who wanted to learn from the expert who shared his experience. I don't even know much how to do it, so keep asking, and need a "sex education" as LovinAsia said. No mistake and be careful before you posting.

We need more sharing, less argueling, particullally on hypocritical so-called moral hight. Thank you and good luck for fucking without condom with girls who agreed to let you do it.What the hell are you talking about?

You clearly think stealthing women without their consent or knowledge is not a problem, and I am trying to explain to you how big a problem it is not only for you and the girl, but for other mongerers in Korea as well.

I don't care whether you fuck a girl with one condom, two condoms or no condoms. Just MAKE SURE she agrees with you taking your condom off. That is HER CHOICE and her choice alone.

Please stop with the shitty mongering antics and advice. This country is already enough of a mongering desert as it currently is, no need to actively try to make it even worse.

[All For Bb]

Are you trying to be retarded and hypocritical or were you born that way?? LOL. You told him to check HIV status yet YOU are the one who want to go BB after sliding your condom off during FS hahaha you are such a poor YOUNG MAN.Let me make the points clear:

(1) I think, as KyleIrving said, if a girl offered or accept the offer BBSF / CIP easily, unsafe, because she might offer / would accept offer easily to everyone. Stop. In that sense, 80-85% agreed BBFS / CIP is not safe. Good luck if you want to do 80-85% or more agreed BBFS / CIP beforehand.

(2) Otherwase, relative safer than case (1) even as KyleIrving did. You do whatever you want including fuck without condom 85% time with girl agreed to let you do it (she sure let all other man do the same), it is your business. KyleIrving just shared his experience and opinion, which we should thank to.

This is the place to share info and experience. Not joking or augueing on hypocritical moral hight. We are all immoral mongers, no one here is a saint. BTW, I am over 60 and the number I stated is honorst true number. I am still learning.

This is my last post in this place. Period. I was out of Korea a week ago, and would not come back very soon. Good luck everyone. So long. Last word, I love Korean girls, some of them are so beautiful and delecious!

[KyleIrving]

Yes we are on a prostitution forum, not on a forum for tricking women into doing something they did not previously agree to do. You must think you're the only guy, or the smartest to have ever tried it.

You can try to play the dumb foreigner trick every time the girl notices you trying to stealth her, but one thing I've learned about the profession in Korea (and other countries) is that hookers talk, mostly to each other and sometimes to their pimps / mamasan. It's only a matter of time before you're pinned as the dodgy guy who tries to take the condom off without their knowledge.

And no, licking a girl's nipples without discussion / permission beforehand is not the same as stealthing her. If a girl had said at the start that she doesn't like her nipples being touched, and then the punter went on to deliberately touch / lick them. That would also be a shitty thing to do. With a condom, 99% of the time, the girl puts it on you, which means there is a mutual understanding between both of you on condom usage, so for you to take it off without her knowledge is you taking THAT CHOICE away from her.

80-85% of my mongering in Korea has been BBFS / CIP, guess what, I've never needed to sneakily take a condom off. I ALWAYS agree with the girl before anything is done, and if I ever get the feeling a girl doesn't want to service me I walk. It's that simple! The good thing about girls refusing tonservice you is you can be rest assured they aren't being forced and are doing the job out of choice.

The few times where I started CFS with a girl, and ended up doing BBFS, either I or she made the suggestion and the other party agreed. There have even been times when a girl agreed to BBBJ or BBFS and then tried to sneak a condom on afterwards during the BJ. Guess what, that's a shitty thing to do as well!

You can doubt my experiences all you want. My record here on ISG is there for all to see, and it only details about 20-30% of my experiences in Korea. I stopped giving advice here a long time ago because too many people in this thread are happy with paying KRW 300-500 k for vanilla sex and one shot (LOL). I imagine a lot of other experienced Korea mongerers who are still in country simply decided to stay quiet for the same reason as well, and keep their gems to themselves.

Good luck with your stealthing and overpriced pussy. As for me, I'll continue to get an understanding from my providers BEFOREHAND.I don't get how you don't understand this concept. You do something she doesn't like without asking. You don't ask to finger them. You don't ask to kiss them. You try and if they don't like it they tell you. I take it off then tell them it came off. And at that time it's their choice to keep going or stop. I don't get how you don't understand that concept. It's so simple.

And again, I literally can ask the multiple pros tuts on kakaotalk what they don't like about foreigners. It's always 1. Fat ugly fucks. 2. Larger than normal cocks. 3. They believe we carry foreign infections. And again, it's so hypocritical to insult my experiences then claim yours are far superior. In my ten or so times doing it, I have not once seen them get the slightest upset. You either don't do well with women or can't read them. You get a feel for how they act / behave and go from there. Like I said previously, if a girl clearly is not into it I probably won't even kiss them let alone sneak it off. And in my experience it has never once been a bad experience. Never once threatened. Never once kicked out. It's 100% a feel for the situation. I'm sure if I tried with a few, they would get mad and call their bouncer or whatever. The difference is as said before, you get a feel for women and what their personality in the thirty or so minutes you have to make small talk.

You know hookers so well right? LOL I'm sure you take one to dinner every week. If anything, they perfer me because I'm not a fat ugly fuck and in decent shape. More so that they actually message me to comeback randomly throughoit the week. I haven't managed to get discounts however.

And like you man, you have taught me to be selfish with my experiences. I was willing to make my oficeltell account be available for all to use to get in the 120 k-160 k full service with hotter Koreans and give their business numbers But nah I'll just keep it for myself.

At this point it's a he said she said deal. You say they hate it and it makes us look bad, I say they don't mind and it depends on the girl. My advice to anyone during any sexual experience is to read the situation. You can feel if your partner is into it. You can feel if she's not. Act accordingly and you'll be OK.

You say you quit giving advice because people are OK with paying to much. So how about not be an ass hole and share to help others out instead of talking down to everyone. You are such a pleasant person.

[KyleIrving]

What the hell are you talking about?

You clearly think stealthing women without their consent or knowledge is not a problem, and I am trying to explain to you how big a problem it is not only for you and the girl, but for other mongerers in Korea as well.

I don't care whether you fuck a girl with one condom, two condoms or no condoms. Just MAKE SURE she agrees with you taking your condom off. That is HER CHOICE and her choice alone.

Please stop with the shitty mongering antics and advice. This country is already enough of a mongering desert as it currently is, no need to actively try to make it even worse.Also by your logic of "fuck you all I'm keeping m info to myself and just read the forums. You can all pay 400 k imma stick to my secret gems of 120 k for FS. Hahaha. " why the fuck should I care about how stealing makes foreigners look when you yourself don't give a fuck about helping foreigners anyway. Amazingly selfish and hypocritical. Hypocritical in more than one sense at this point.

[KyleIrving]

Are you trying to be retarded and hypocritical or were you born that way?? LOL. You told him to check HIV status yet YOU are the one who want to go BB after sliding your condom off during FS hahaha you are such a poor YOUNG MAN.To be fair. Morality aside, BBFS with a girl who agrees and doing it 85 percent of the time as he claims is astronomically higher.

[KyleIrving]

Let me make the points clear:

(1) I think, as KyleIrving said, if a girl offered or accept the offer BBSF / CIP easily, unsafe, because she might offer / would accept offer easily to everyone. Stop. In that sense, 80-85% agreed BBFS / CIP is not safe. Good luck if you want to do 80-85% or more agreed BBFS / CIP beforehand.

(2) Otherwase, relative safer than case (1) even as KyleIrving did. You do whatever you want including fuck without condom 85% time with girl agreed to let you do it (she sure let all other man do the same), it is your business. KyleIrving just shared his experience and opinion, which we should thank to.

This is the place to share info and experience. Not joking or augueing on hypocritical moral hight. We are all immoral mongers, no one here is a saint. BTW, I am over 60 and the number I stated is honorst true number. I am still learning.

This is my last post in this place. Period. I was out of Korea a week ago, and would not come back very soon. Good luck everyone. So long. Last word, I love Korean girls, some of them are so beautiful and delecious!I like how they act like stealthily is so harmful to the woman. Yet are perfectly OK with fucking them when there's no way in hell the girls would want to if they didn't have to. Prostitution in general is taking advantage of girls who are at the end of their ropes and need money. If you cared about the girl themselves, then hire a hooker. Give her money. And don't fuck her since it's against her will.

[RainMania]

Dude, you just discovered Adal5 and you're so proud of yourself LOL. Maybe you should RTFF and see others, myself included, that have given names of Korean sites and instructions on how to join them, call establishments and make appointments. Everything from kiss bangs, to lip cafes, hyugaetels, officetels etc has been covered, but some dudes still come on here asking for the best hotel to stay at looool.

Keep your officetel numbers, I didn't ask for them, and I don't need them. I can sign up for any Korean mongering site and get numbers whenever I need. Like I said, there are too many people on this forum who ruin things for others, and you sure are talking like one of those people.

As for your 'feels' on whether a girl has STIs or whether she'll allow you to stealth her, keep stealthing and see what happens. Most girls don't give a shit whether you're fat or brad pitt, at the end of the day you pay the same rate as a fat, ugly guy but you're supposed to be proud of yourself for the 'connection' and because the girls call you to come back and pay them some more haha! Why don't you ask them for free service if you really want to test the 'connection' you have with them.

If prostitution is taking advantage of girls, then you're the one who's being taken advantage of. Since you're so happy to pay so much for one shot. Congratulations, you helped the pimp pay his rent and utility bills, maybe also his mortgage. But hey, at least you 'feel' the girl has no STIs and have a 'connection' with her LOL.

[Nother Monger]

Thank god all4 bb is gone.

KyleIrving: Stealthing will get you banned from Offictels. I know this because I'm Korean American and talked with the girls I've seen when I lived there. Some are OK with BBFS, others have straight up told me they tell their booker to blacklist guys for doing it. Don't mess it up for other people.

[KyleIrving]

Dude, you just discovered Adal5 and you're so proud of yourself LOL. Maybe you should RTFF and see others, myself included, that have given names of Korean sites and instructions on how to join them, call establishments and make appointments. Everything from kiss bangs, to lip cafes, hyugaetels, officetels etc has been covered, but some dudes still come on here asking for the best hotel to stay at looool.

Keep your officetel numbers, I didn't ask for them, and I don't need them. I can sign up for any Korean mongering site and get numbers whenever I need. Like I said, there are too many people on this forum who ruin things for others, and you sure are talking like one of those people.

As for your 'feels' on whether a girl has STIs or whether she'll allow you to stealth her, keep stealthing and see what happens. Most girls don't give a shit whether you're fat or brad pitt, at the end of the day you pay the same rate as a fat, ugly guy but you're supposed to be proud of yourself for the 'connection' and because the girls call you to come back and pay them some more haha! Why don't you ask them for free service if you really want to test the 'connection' you have with them.

If prostitution is taking advantage of girls, then you're the one who's being taken advantage of. Since you're so happy to pay so much for one shot. Congratulations, you helped the pimp pay his rent and utility bills, maybe also his mortgage. But hey, at least you 'feel' the girl has no STIs and have a 'connection' with her LOL.You've said your piece I've said mine. We can agree to disagree. I'm truly proud of you for being an experienced prostitute fucker. My experiences have been fantastic. Never once Rejected. Never once denied. Never once paid extra. Never once kicked out. Never once even yelled at.

So I'll do me and you do you. Have a lovely life.

[RainMania]

Thank god all4 bb is gone.

KyleIrving: Stealthing will get you banned from Offictels. I know this because I'm Korean American and talked with the girls I've seen when I lived there. Some are OK with BBFS, others have straight up told me they tell their booker to blacklist guys for doing it. Don't mess it up for other people.Don't worry, he 'feels' he has a good 'connection' with the girls, even though he has never gotten a discount.

[KgirlPower]

Saw some officetal ads and girls had "+1" or "+3" etc next to their names anyone know what that means? I'm guessing "+3" means FS while "+1" is just a HJ?

Also, I'm confused on the difference between a Hyugatel and Anma. Both seem to offer massage and sex after. Is Hyugatel just done at a hotel offsite?

Thanks.


Don't worry, he 'feels' he has a good 'connection' with the girls, even though he has never gotten a discount.

[Nother Monger]

Saw some officetal ads and girls had "+1" or "+3" etc next to their names anyone know what that means? I'm guessing "+3" means FS while "+1" is just a HJ?

Also, I'm confused on the difference between a Hyugatel and Anma. Both seem to offer massage and sex after. Is Hyugatel just done at a hotel offsite?

Thanks.The "indicates how much more on top of the "base rate" they are. Ex: standard 60 min might be 160 k KRW, then if a girl has +1, +2, etc you are expected to bring 170 k, 180 k, etc.

[HeyyyyyyPaul]

The MVP-VIP referenced here is the one out of Gangnam station opposite that Paris baguette right?

[Wimble]

Don't worry, he 'feels' he has a good 'connection' with the girls, even though he has never gotten a discount.On that front, the girls probably do feel they have a connection; to his wallet.

Though, I also do overpay many times.

[SesameOil]

The MVP-VIP referenced here is the one out of Gangnam station opposite that Paris baguette right?I've sent you a PM with a literal map, heh.

[SesameOil]

Also, I'm confused on the difference between a Hyugatel and Anma. Both seem to offer massage and sex after. Is Hyugatel just done at a hotel offsite?Pretty much, you'd have to contact them by phone or messenger to make the reservation and find out if the provider you want is available after which they'd give you directions to the hotel versus the walk-in nature of an anma, though you could also call ahead and ask if a particular girl is working.

[KgirlPower]

Ads don't say. So is there standard codeing? Like +2 means DFK and BBBJ? And a +3 tip means bareback?


The "indicates how much more on top of the "base rate" they are. Ex: standard 60 min might be 160 k KRW, then if a girl has +1, +2, etc you are expected to bring 170 k, 180 k, etc.

[Gen X Baer]

Ads don't say. So is there standard codeing? Like +2 means DFK and BBBJ? And a +3 tip means bareback?Gents, I just decided to take a gander back in seoul forum since I used to work here and will be returning in the next few days for vacation. The +1 +2 +3 is no code. It is just an extra cost you will have to pay to get the girl as she is apparently good. Typically they are priced higher if they are popular with the crowd and sometimes they do offer extras but it will never be mentioned on the website and it is completely up to the discretion of the girl if she wants to go that extra mile with you. Having visited most Officetel where this coding system is normal, the ones that have +3 give more of a PSE while the latter might be super GFE. Don't take that into heart though, all of these girls are different and you might be lucky meeting a +1 and having the best time of your life, and payingi for a +3 and leaving disatisfied. Happy hunting.

[Gen X Baer]

Sorry and to add on.

The below is in referene should there be a +1 +2 +3 next to the girls name. If there are other acts she performs, normally they will have a picture of what she does (HJ, BJ,CIM, BBFS, etc) or the korean word for it, and should the OP charge for those the price +xxxx amount will also be visible.

[Nother Monger]

Ads don't say. So is there standard codeing? Like +2 means DFK and BBBJ? And a +3 tip means bareback?Again, there is no "coding". I don't know why you asked twice. As I've mentioned, and as Gen X Baer said, it's on top of the base rate. If you can't find the base rate, then it's either directly in the ad, or you need to call / message them and ask. If you can't find it, then. Well, sorry. I can't help you there.

Also as Gen X Baer said, the + value does not necessarily mean more is better. The rates are up to the girls. I've seen +4 girls that were just OK in terms of looks and service while some +2 girls were much better. If you want a better experience, you need to talk to their booker and tell them the kind of girl you want in terms of body type, personality, etc.

[KgirlPower]

Going to check out this thai girl at a hyungstel! Will post with a report!


Pretty much, you'd have to contact them by phone or messenger to make the reservation and find out if the provider you want is available after which they'd give you directions to the hotel versus the walk-in nature of an anma, though you could also call ahead and ask if a particular girl is working.

[KgirlPower]

Hopefully the girls look like their pics! Haha.


Again, there is no "coding". I don't know why you asked twice. As I've mentioned, and as Gen X Baer said, it's on top of the base rate. If you can't find the base rate, then it's either directly in the ad, or you need to call / message them and ask. If you can't find it, then. Well, sorry. I can't help you there.

Also as Gen X Baer said, the + value does not necessarily mean more is better. The rates are up to the girls. I've seen +4 girls that were just OK in terms of looks and service while some +2 girls were much better. If you want a better experience, you need to talk to their booker and tell them the kind of girl you want in terms of body type, personality, etc.

[KgirlPower]

I'll just try +3 girl. Figure might as well instead of +1. Hopefully she lives upto her tip! Haha.


Sorry and to add on.

The below is in referene should there be a +1 +2 +3 next to the girls name. If there are other acts she performs, normally they will have a picture of what she does (HJ, BJ,CIM, BBFS, etc) or the korean word for it, and should the OP charge for those the price +xxxx amount will also be visible.

[Facebook2]

Where can I find Filipina or Russian girls? They seem non-exist on BP but I've been led to believe that they're so common in Korea and charge less.

[KgirlPower]

Was able to get an account on one of those korean sex sites using VPN and man.

Then variety offererd! Rates started around 180 for 1 shot and 290 for 2 shots in gangnam area like Seoollung or Yeaksam.

As for filipinas didn't notice any but did see thai girls.

Any setting up a account is easy. Just use google translater. Also.

When site ask for phone numbers and emails just use bogus ones!

I was afraid of using real ones since sex sites and took a chance and.

The site doesn't care or seem to ask to verify emails etc!


Where can I find Filipina or Russian girls? They seem non-exist on BP but I've been led to believe that they're so common in Korea and charge less.

[Turbocrazy]

Where can I find Filipina or Russian girls? They seem non-exist on BP but I've been led to believe that they're so common in Korea and charge less.I am a Korean living in Seoul.

You could find Russian at following links.

It is just an info as I haven't visited yet as it is illegal and am afraid of get rested.

http://www.18sadan14.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=1_op&wr_id=8495&wr_6=%EA%B0%95%EB%82%A8

http://www.18sadan14.com/bbs/board.php?bo_table=1_op&wr_id=8307&wr_6=%EA%B0%95%EB%82%A8

However one tip: the number after the girls name is extra cost (1 means 10 thousand won more).

As they are more beautiful the claimed and do not expect GFE or something.

Any question?

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[Turbocrazy]

Saw some officetal ads and girls had "+1" or "+3" etc next to their names anyone know what that means? I'm guessing "+3" means FS while "+1" is just a HJ?

Also, I'm confused on the difference between a Hyugatel and Anma. Both seem to offer massage and sex after. Is Hyugatel just done at a hotel offsite?

Thanks.I am Korean and try to give a help.

Hyugatel = done in Officetel with lower price then Officetel (both are the same).

Anma = just road shop with sex and bath by the girl but more expensive.

[Patrick1]

Hi everybody!

I'll be in Seoul next week and of course I would like to monger after working. Can you suggest me some nice and not very expensive places for massage and more? Or eventually any web sites to visit? My hotel will be in NAMDAEMUN area. Thank you in advance.

One more thing: are hotels there girlfriendly?

Greetings to all.

Patrick1.

[Handel]

Can one of you fine gentleman PM me a few good options for BBFS / CIP in Seoul? I'll be staying in the Itaewon-dong area.

Greatly appreciated.

Handel.

[Lion55]

Hi everybody!

I'll be in Seoul next week and of course I would like to monger after working. Can you suggest me some nice and not very expensive places for massage and more? Or eventually any web sites to visit? My hotel will be in NAMDAEMUN area. Thank you in advance.

One more thing: are hotels there girlfriendly?

Greetings to all.

Patrick1.I'll let others respond on the massage parlor question but can attest that pretty much all hotels in Seoul are girl friendly. You may want to find one that doesn't require a key card for elevator access but other than that you should be fine with any of the hotels near Namdeamun.

[Lion55]

Quick note to fans of Kaye, who works out of Happy Days on hooker hill in Itaewon. She is still around on weekends and still provides GFE service (YMMV); something not generally expected from working girls on the Hill. For those who don't know her, she is a mature provider, probably in her late thirties, but her body is in good shape. Treat her guys.

[Anmadude]

It's been a while since I've posted because I am only able to come to Korea intermittently. I'm Korean and speak Korean so my posts may have little utility other than entertainment value. As has been posted in the past Fish is a "non-foreigner" establishment which really means only Korean men are accepted. I'm not here to engage in long winded discussions as to why that is or whether it's right or not. That's the reality. Reading the signs on the wall they stress they do not have a website nor do they engage in spam advertising. And they don't need to.

I got there in the afternoon and was greeted at the door by a rather good looking MILF who looked like she could have great game today and probably worked the rooms in recent past. Even Lionel Messi will have to accept the fact he cannot play on the pitch and will be moved into management. Very customer oriented service and was given my key and led to the common locker room area that looks like an upscale public bath area. Men shower and lounge on computers, watch TV or smoke as they wait for their number to be called. Frankly being in that area made it feel like any male sauna other than the provocative photos of the women playing on the screen. I was taken into a side room briefly to pick out my girl with the MILF madame and to my surprise no iPad series of pics. It didn't matter since I know the pics are often photoshopped. Told her I preferred a girl next door type and was told to wait for my number to be called. They did and into the elevator I went. The male attendants treat you like a CEO and it is all business and professional. I got off the elevator and was greeted by a young female wearing a mask and a one piece black lingerie swimsuit like outfit. She took me into a small enclave and seated me. Minimal talking but I know the drill. Starts sucking my inner thighs, stomach and up to the nipples to get me hard. Then she begins to give head and goes around the bases again before turning around and mounting me. Now I wasn't able to see her outfit in detail because of the lighting but when she started to sit on my cock I was surprised she didn't move the crotch portion of her lingerie and I thought she was going to use my dick to punch a hole. There must have been a slit but away she began to fuck. It's not to completion but enough to give you a nice foreplay preview. She then led me down the hall to the room and back she went. This is the trademark service of Fish (unlike the new Eve / Start Anma).

Got to the room and it does feel like you're entering a studio apartment. My girl was gorgeous and was wearing a red cocktail dress. Conversation was nice although how substantive can it really get when you are imagining everything that is about to come? She disrobed me and offered me something to drink. Thankfully she doesn't smoke since I've had to sit through chit chat in the past with the girl puffing away. Her name is irrelevant since the girls at this place are all on par with this one: young, well proportioned and trained to treat you well. She got me to the bathroom area which has a seat that deliberately exposes your starfish ass hole. She washed me down (after all I had the encounter with the masked girl outside) and then sat me down. Then she applied the tasteless liquid gel and began to rub her body against my knees, thighs, crotch (no penetration) and upper body. Then away she went with BBBJ. She turns around and does this lap dance like manoever all the while I am grabbing her natural tits. No feeling that this is rushed. We wash off the gel and again talk about this and that. She tells me to lie down on the bed and I oblige. She then applies the gel on my back for some more nuru and kissing and sucking. The feeling is indescribable. I am then instructed to get on my fours like a dog so that she can go full rim mode. More BBBJ and then on comes the cover for girl on top action. I ask her to change positions and after some more bliss I blew my load. Now the difference here is that other places will treat this moment as the quick wrap up routine but not here. Rather she asks me to wash and relax again while offering me something to drink. She lies next to me and we continue our talk about nothing but enough to give it a people to people encounter feel. She then picks the moment to then go down and go BBBJ again. Because this is a place that lets you go twice. She managed to get me up and then was giving me probably the best hand job. Alas I knew my limits and conceded that while my mind wanted to take her one more time that the body would not cooperate. She was appreciative of my honesty since there are probably a lot of guys who will have the girl move heaven and earth for a second cum session. She let me know her work schedule even though she knew I was in Korea only for a while.

I went downstairs and changed. They don't rush you at all. If I wanted to lounge and order a ramyun it probably would have happened. Of course I didn't but on my way out the madame gave me the card which stamps visits for a discount on a certain next visit. She remarked that I caught her eye and she was specially giving this to me and I playfully told her to cut the bullshit she tells everyone else. It ended on a laugh but if given the opportunity I'd happily take her.

The irony is that I don't have a Korean passport and that makes me foreign but I'm not considered a foreigner. If you look Korean and can speak it with confidence you can experience this for yourself. Near Gangnam-gu cheong station exit 2. Go toward Seolleong Road (49440;47497;47196 and turn right and walk down two blocks. Then turn right (after passing Taco Bell) and walk up the road and you will see it on your right. 230,000 KRW. By far worth it.

[Optional]

Hi all,

Planning a trip to Seoul in the very near future and was reading over the forum here. It seems like most of the red light districts are based in Gangnam, Cheonho, Miari, Itaewon (Hooker Hill), or 588 (although 588 is apparently demolished now?

But is there anything around Dongdaemun? That's where I'll be staying, and I won't have much of a chance to leave the Dongdaemun area. Looking for FS preferably, but even a HJ massage place around that area during the daytime would be great. Any leads are appreciated!

Thanks!

[Nother Monger]

Hi all,

Planning a trip to Seoul in the very near future and was reading over the forum here. It seems like most of the red light districts are based in Gangnam, Cheonho, Miari, Itaewon (Hooker Hill), or 588 (although 588 is apparently demolished now?

But is there anything around Dongdaemun? That's where I'll be staying, and I won't have much of a chance to leave the Dongdaemun area. Looking for FS preferably, but even a HJ massage place around that area during the daytime would be great. Any leads are appreciated!

Thanks!588 is demolished. I've seen it with my own eyes. RLD wise, Cheonho still exists (I was just there last week). I'm not sure about Mirari or Itaewon since I haven't been in a while. Gangnam has a ton of officetels, and there's at least 1 officetel near Dongdaemon. But you'll need to speak Korean to get in, and if your non-Korean, there's a chance they might not let you see any girls. I'm sure there's massage places nearby. Just look for the barbershop poles.

[Optional]

588 is demolished. I've seen it with my own eyes. RLD wise, Cheonho still exists (I was just there last week). I'm not sure about Mirari or Itaewon since I haven't been in a while. Gangnam has a ton of officetels, and there's at least 1 officetel near Dongdaemon. But you'll need to speak Korean to get in, and if your non-Korean, there's a chance they might not let you see any girls. I'm sure there's massage places nearby. Just look for the barbershop poles.Thanks for the info. In regards to the barbershop poles. Is there any sort of visual "code" that tells you a particular massage place offers extras? For example, do the HJ massage places use a special color for their poles? Or is there no discernible way of knowing what's legit and what's not until you go in?

Thanks!

[KgirlPower]

And then if price is 70,000 won then I know its a handjob place.

If 130,000 then blowjob place.


Thanks for the info. In regards to the barbershop poles. Is there any sort of visual "code" that tells you a particular massage place offers extras? For example, do the HJ massage places use a special color for their poles? Or is there no discernible way of knowing what's legit and what's not until you go in?

Thanks!

[KgirlPower]

Only thing I worry about Itaewon is while its easily available the incalls are mixed in with Transgender bars and clubs so afraid of getting some shemale with bulging package when you were expecting to touch some nice pussy.


588 is demolished. I've seen it with my own eyes. RLD wise, Cheonho still exists (I was just there last week). I'm not sure about Mirari or Itaewon since I haven't been in a while. Gangnam has a ton of officetels, and there's at least 1 officetel near Dongdaemon. But you'll need to speak Korean to get in, and if your non-Korean, there's a chance they might not let you see any girls. I'm sure there's massage places nearby. Just look for the barbershop poles.

[ShimShimHeyo]

Thanks for the info. In regards to the barbershop poles. Is there any sort of visual "code" that tells you a particular massage place offers extras? For example, do the HJ massage places use a special color for their poles? Or is there no discernible way of knowing what's legit and what's not until you go in?

Thanks!Barber poles are your bottom tier establishments. Either it's just a HJ establishment or offer FS but only have older women in their 30's and 40's.

If the pole reads "49828;54252;51592; 마49324;51648;" (Sports Massage) or "49828;53944;47112;49828;" (Stress Clinic) then it's most likely just a hand job place.

The only way to know for absolute sure is to ask up front before the host or hostess takes you to your room. Simplest way, just politely ask, "Sex?" They will get it and reply with a 'Yes or No.'

Second tier establishments will have the word, '50504;47560;' (Anma or massage) somewhere and will be noticeably more upscale such as a reception reception desk, ATM in the lobby, vallet parking attendants and even a shoe shine service.

Top tier establishments will have no indication at all. Just a sign with their name, no 'massage' written or anything of the sort.

[Optional]

Barber poles are your bottom tier establishments. Either it's just a HJ establishment or offer FS but only have older women in their 30's and 40's.

If the pole reads "49828;54252;51592; 마49324;51648;" (Sports Massage) or "49828;53944;47112;49828;" (Stress Clinic) then it's most likely just a hand job place.

The only way to know for absolute sure is to ask up front before the host or hostess takes you to your room. Simplest way, just politely ask, "Sex?" They will get it and reply with a 'Yes or No.'

Second tier establishments will have the word, '50504;47560;' (Anma or massage) somewhere and will be noticeably more upscale such as a reception reception desk, ATM in the lobby, vallet parking attendants and even a shoe shine service.

Top tier establishments will have no indication at all. Just a sign with their name, no 'massage' written or anything of the sort.Hey all,

Thanks for your input! Much appreciated. So for a first time visitor to Seoul who speaks no Korean, is an Anma or a RLD like Cheonho more accessible for FS? I am Asian (but not Korean) and I've mongered all over the world, so I'm not worried about a challenge. But would an Anma or an RLD be more accepting of a foreigner? I've read from these forums that a lot of places don't accept non-Koreans. And would an Anma or an RLD have cuter / younger girls?

I only have one day free (during the daytime) so I want to fully maximize my time. Thanks so much!

[ShimShimHeyo]

Hey all,

Thanks for your input! Much appreciated. So for a first time visitor to Seoul who speaks no Korean, is an Anma or a RLD like Cheonho more accessible for FS? I am Asian (but not Korean) and I've mongered all over the world, so I'm not worried about a challenge. But would an Anma or an RLD be more accepting of a foreigner? I've read from these forums that a lot of places don't accept non-Koreans. And would an Anma or an RLD have cuter / younger girls?

I only have one day free (during the daytime) so I want to fully maximize my time. Thanks so much!This is not easy to answer because so much of Korea is not a guarantee when it comes to foreigners. I am assuming that you want to spend your time with a Korean woman so that takes out VIP in Gangnam.

Right off the bat, Cheonho is a no go. Shops will not even open unitl 8 pm and even then the selection is sparse. Prime time is from 10 pm -2 am.

Here my suggestion and by no means can it be considered cannon. I'd definitely go for the anma.

If you're really up for the challenge, try walking around the Nambu Bus Terminal (North of exit 6). There are a ton of anmas on that block (interior, not on the main road) but I cannot say for certain how many are open during the day or if they are foreign friendly. If you strike out then consider trying Ace Anma at Gangnam-gu Office (Line 7 not to be confused with Gangnam Station Line 2) and Hera Anma near the Renaissance Hotel in Yeoksam (Line 2). I know both of those establishments have day-shift girls but they tend to lean to the less hot side. Koreans call hotties "10%-ers" and they will work the more lucrative night shift. If you're still striking out and free in the late afternoon I'd take a shot at Texas Miari at Gireum station but that is way north of the river.

I wish I could give you answers with more certainty but I just can't. Again, those are only suggestions and I am far from an expert when it comes to daytime mongering and which ones will service foreigners. Man, I really hope you score. Good luck.

[R The Man]

It's been a while since I've posted because I am only able to come to Korea intermittently. I'm Korean and speak Korean so my posts may have little utility other than entertainment value. As has been posted in the past Fish is a "non-foreigner" establishment which really means only Korean men are accepted. I'm not here to engage in long winded discussions as to why that is or whether it's right or not. That's the reality. Reading the signs on the wall they stress they do not have a website nor do they engage in spam advertising. And they don't need to.

The irony is that I don't have a Korean passport and that makes me foreign but I'm not considered a foreigner. If you look Korean and can speak it with confidence you can experience this for yourself. Near Gangnam-gu cheong station exit 2. Go toward Seolleong Road (49440;47497;47196 and turn right and walk down two blocks. Then turn right (after passing Taco Bell) and walk up the road and you will see it on your right. 230,000 KRW. By far worth it.Thanks for the great post, dude, which describes the Fish experience to a T. However, I am Chinese-American, speak no Korean (only English), and was able to access Fish with no problem on both my visits to Seoul. And clearly the mamasan who shows you the pics of the girls seemed to be fine with English-only clients. So, perhaps there is some leeway in foreigners?

R.

[Optional]

This is not easy to answer because so much of Korea is not a guarantee when it comes to foreigners. I am assuming that you want to spend your time with a Korean woman so that takes out VIP in Gangnam.

I wish I could give you answers with more certainty but I just can't. Again, those are only suggestions and I am far from an expert when it comes to daytime mongering and which ones will service foreigners. Man, I really hope you score. Good luck.Thanks for the suggestions ShimShimHeyo! I ended up with only one free afternoon, and I was in the Dongdaemun area, so I just walked around trying to find the shadiest looking massage parlour. It was actually not hard. I found one with a pink sign with the Korean characters for "massage". The pink sign was a giveaway.

Long story short, I just got a HJ, but the masseuses there seemed willing to give BJ, and maybe even more, as well. They were all wearing very skimpy outfits. Tight cutoff jean shorts for some, and others were wearing black lacey miniskirts. None of them were lookers. The ones I saw were in their 30's. But in any case, they were good enough to get the job done!

I should be back in Seoul again in the coming months. Looking forward to exploring more in-depth next time!

[Dtl9889]

I'm a bit odd when it comes to orgasms. I cum quickly, but stay hard, and can just keep going. I can cum many times in one session, and only really feel satisfied if I've cum 4 or 5 times. If I see a provider and pay for one shot, and cum while we just get started, will the session just stop right there?

[ShimShimHeyo]

I'm a bit odd when it comes to orgasms. I cum quickly, but stay hard, and can just keep going. I can cum many times in one session, and only really feel satisfied if I've cum 4 or 5 times. If I see a provider and pay for one shot, and cum while we just get started, will the session just stop right there?Depends on the provider. Anmas in Korea generally give their girls a lot of leeway as to what they do and what they don't. Though it is unlikely a girl that you are seeing for the first time will let you get away with more than 2 shots, if a girl wants to let you blow off 4 or 5 loads, management could care less.

If you climax early, I highly doubt she will send you packing, especially if it's an upscale anma that charges you $200 +. I once went to Pearl Massage where the management specifically told me the rues. I could touch her tits and ass but not her crotch, blah blah. When I got my HJ, she grabbed my hand and put it down her panties. So, it is really up to the girl. The only thing management is strict on is time. For those who know, when that phone rings, it's loud.

They one exception is a place like Cheonho. If you only pay for a 20 minute ST and cum within the first 5 minutes, she might send you on your way.

I'd go to a place that offers relay service. You get 3 girls for an hour, 15-15.30. That's three shots right there.

[DocInHeat]

Yes, the scene in Korea is definitely becoming more and more open to foreigners. This is both because of more international exposure and because of the economy (both the Korean economy in general and the night entertainment economy, which has suffered because of government / police crackdowns and changes in business entertainment rules). Even the formerly very private / exclusive room salons are more open to foreign clients, but you still need to have a Korean host who is connected and trusted to take you there. And these are still very expensive.

Doc.


Thanks for the great post, dude, which describes the Fish experience to a T. However, I am Chinese-American, speak no Korean (only English), and was able to access Fish with no problem on both my visits to Seoul. And clearly the mamasan who shows you the pics of the girls seemed to be fine with English-only clients. So, perhaps there is some leeway in foreigners?

R.

[Dtl9889]

So how is the one shot vs two shot setup for an officetel? Is it basically do the one shot, wait for a bit, and then go again? I'm just wondering if I go quickly, but stay hard, if they'll just let me change the condom and start again right after. I'm hoping they'd still count that as one shot LOL. I know. I know. This hobby isn't for penny pinchers, but I'd rather pay for one shot vs two.


Depends on the provider. Anmas in Korea generally give their girls a lot of leeway as to what they do and what they don't. Though it is unlikely a girl that you are seeing for the first time will let you get away with more than 2 shots, if a girl wants to let you blow off 4 or 5 loads, management could care less.

If you climax early, I highly doubt she will send you packing, especially if it's an upscale anma that charges you $200 +. I once went to Pearl Massage where the management specifically told me the rues. I could touch her tits and ass but not her crotch, blah blah. When I got my HJ, she grabbed my hand and put it down her panties. So, it is really up to the girl. The only thing management is strict on is time. For those who know, when that phone rings, it's loud.

They one exception is a place like Cheonho. If you only pay for a 20 minute ST and cum within the first 5 minutes, she might send you on your way.

I'd go to a place that offers relay service. You get 3 girls for an hour, 15-15.30. That's three shots right there.

[LettiMmySmoke]

Hey Everybody:

I'm going to Seoul soon for about a week and won't have much to do except taking in the sights. I tried to read up on this forum thread but it seems the last 4 pages were just people arguing about having sex raw haha. I read up on getting an adal5 account which I signed up for and I read up on Anmas. I'm very used to the type of K-girl escort service you get in the states which is borderline PSE and I'm curious what's the best way for me to get a comparable experience in Korea where these women are from.

I don't speak any korean and am a Chinese American. ALl the listings in adal5 confuse me and they all look fake anyway. There's no listing with real faces so I feel like I'm just shooting in the dark. Any recommendations would be appreciated and I will be sure to post reviews during my trip.

[Phloppy]

Hey Everybody:

I'm going to Seoul soon for about a week and won't have much to do except taking in the sights. I tried to read up on this forum thread but it seems the last 4 pages were just people arguing about having sex raw haha. I read up on getting an adal5 account which I signed up for and I read up on Anmas. I'm very used to the type of K-girl escort service you get in the states which is borderline PSE and I'm curious what's the best way for me to get a comparable experience in Korea where these women are from.

I don't speak any korean and am a Chinese American. ALl the listings in adal5 confuse me and they all look fake anyway. There's no listing with real faces so I feel like I'm just shooting in the dark. Any recommendations would be appreciated and I will be sure to post reviews during my trip.If you are looking for an experience like you would get with Koreans in America, you are not going to find it. Read back further and you will find good reviews on anmas and rlds.

[ShimShimHeyo]

So how is the one shot vs two shot setup for an officetel? Is it basically do the one shot, wait for a bit, and then go again? I'm just wondering if I go quickly, but stay hard, if they'll just let me change the condom and start again right after. I'm hoping they'd still count that as one shot LOL. I know. I know. This hobby isn't for penny pinchers, but I'd rather pay for one shot vs two.Again, it's all up to the girl. It's not like the management is going to be in the room with you.

If the girl wants to count it as one of your shots, she can. If she doesn't, it won't. Management only cares about time and turnover. Whatever happens in the room is mainly in the hands of the provider. I hope everything works out for you.

[LettiMmySmoke]

If you are looking for an experience like you would get with Koreans in America, you are not going to find it. Read back further and you will find good reviews on anmas and rlds.That blows my mind. Most of the k-girls are from Korea they don't even know that much English! I was expecting to travel to a land of them!

[OralSea]

Hey Everybody:

I'm going to Seoul soon for about a week and won't have much to do except taking in the sights. I tried to read up on this forum thread but it seems the last 4 pages were just people arguing about having sex raw haha. I read up on getting an adal5 account which I signed up for and I read up on Anmas. I'm very used to the type of K-girl escort service you get in the states which is borderline PSE and I'm curious what's the best way for me to get a comparable experience in Korea where these women are from.

I don't speak any korean and am a Chinese American. ALl the listings in adal5 confuse me and they all look fake anyway. There's no listing with real faces so I feel like I'm just shooting in the dark. Any recommendations would be appreciated and I will be sure to post reviews during my trip.My Chinese American friend here gets a lot of action here with WeChat, both paid for and free service with Chinese ladies.

[Matong36]

Korean girls may not be 100% authentic.

Girls from China have flocked to this city, speaks perfect Hangul and acts like a local Korea girl.

I find it hard to differentiate especially when plastic surgery is common.

Anyway, as long its a good shag, all is good.

[Dtl9889]

Just curious what the main differences are between the two. The photos of the girls from.

Hyugetels seem to be less glamorous but the prices are better. That's all I really noticed.

[Enphl]

Looking for recommendations. I'll be in town for a short trip. I don't speak any korean (only english). I only have time in the afternoon, not at night. I'm not really into massage. Ideally, I prefer the kind of place where you can go pick out a girl (young skinny type is preferred), get down to business (BBBJ, CFS, CIM), then leave. I've read alot of mixed reports. Some about going to a club like place, others where you pick a girl out from a window.

[ShimShimHeyo]

Looking for recommendations. I'll be in town for a short trip. I don't speak any korean (only english). I only have time in the afternoon, not at night. I'm not really into massage. Ideally, I prefer the kind of place where you can go pick out a girl (young skinny type is preferred), get down to business (BBBJ, CFS, CIM), then leave. I've read alot of mixed reports. Some about going to a club like place, others where you pick a girl out from a window.That's some hard criteria. The afternoon scene is kinda dead to begin with as far as young & skinny WGs go. Fishbowl shopping for a girl only happens in RLD's, which mainly operate at night. Bukchang style, .5 and 10% style room salons will let you hand pick a girl from a line-up but they will not likely take a solo foreigner and also only operate and night. On top of that, most Korean WGs will not give a foreigner a CIM a few won't even give a BBBJ. There are a meager handful. 5 & 10% style room salons that cater to solo foreigners but they tend to open at 6 pm or 7 pm.

Best bet is to try for an independent as they can work in the afternoon. However, a CIM is super hard to find. It's not impossible but the only girls that have ever let me CIM are girls that I have seen on repeat sessions or were from a. 5 style room salon (and those are crazy ass expensive).

Good luck, I hope everything works out.

[ShimShimHeyo]

Korean girls may not be 100% authentic.

Girls from China have flocked to this city, speaks perfect Hangul and acts like a local Korea girl.

I find it hard to differentiate especially when plastic surgery is common.

Anyway, as long its a good shag, all is good.A good place to check out is the Mapo area. Tons of Chinese-Koreans moved into that area in the last few years and the parlors were not far behind.

[Kor Blue Jay]

I'm pretty familiar with escorts and hookers, but I've never mongered in Korea before. Live abroad. Been busy with meeting family and what-not, thought I could use a breather.

For a little background info, I'm Korean, in shape, 20's and mostly bilingual (speaking no accent, reading / writing is hard because IDK slang and hard words). Created an adal5 acc (thanks for the info ISG) and found something promising.

So after an easy reservation on the phone, I went to a Hugetel massage place for the first time. I opted for the "no massage" course, so straight to the action after a shower. 1 hour.

Pleasantly surprised, she's pretty hot. Skipping the useless details and small talk, foreplay is great, she's really wet, she gives an amazing BJ and then is just sort of awkwardly waiting around.

This is where, in other countries that I'm used to, she grabs a condom and we fuck. But she doesn't seem to be reaching for anything and I've never brought my own condom to see an escort before in my 20+ P4P experiences.

I'm sure you can guess what happened, I wasn't sure what she was waiting for. In hindsight, I obviously should have used words and asked her but she was hot and I was already ridiculously ready to go.

Just sort of got the vibe that she wanted bareback, went with the flow and fucked her without a condom. CIM. I always do a pretty good inspection during foreplay with anyone, so I'm not too worried but needless to say, it's %1000, the dumbest thing to do. Don't need a lecture.

So, do mongers have to bring their own condom in Korea? No, right? Having to bring your own sounds wrong but maybe stuff is different here, so I thought I'd double check.

[Enphl]

That's some hard criteria. The afternoon scene is kinda dead to begin with as far as young & skinny WGs go. Fishbowl shopping for a girl only happens in RLD's, which mainly operate at night. Bukchang style, .5 and 10% style room salons will let you hand pick a girl from a line-up but they will not likely take a solo foreigner and also only operate and night. On top of that, most Korean WGs will not give a foreigner a CIM a few won't even give a BBBJ. There are a meager handful. 5 & 10% style room salons that cater to solo foreigners but they tend to open at 6 pm or 7 pm.

Best bet is to try for an independent as they can work in the afternoon. However, a CIM is super hard to find. It's not impossible but the only girls that have ever let me CIM are girls that I have seen on repeat sessions or were from a. 5 style room salon (and those are crazy ass expensive).

Good luck, I hope everything works out.Thanks for the advice.

I guess I should mention that I'm chinese. Not sure if that gets me any points with being a foreigner. It's obvious I'm not korean since I don't speak the language. I don't mind independant, its just harder to setup with the language issue. Are there some local review sites or ad sites that are reputable? As for CIM, it usually isn't needed but I've had issues with tiny asian girls because I'm a bit wider than average so they either won't let me go too deep or it doesn't last very long so in the end they finish me off with BBBJ and I might as well get a CIM with it. BBBJ is a deal breaker for me though.

I'm in seoul for only 2 days so I may just skip it and try at my next stop (taipei).

[Nother Monger]

So, do mongers have to bring their own condom in Korea? No, right? Having to bring your own sounds wrong but maybe stuff is different here, so I thought I'd double check.It depends on the girl. I've seen some girls in Korea that have straight up said to me that they prefer no condom. Other girls only offer CFS.

[Nother Monger]

Thanks for the advice.

I guess I should mention that I'm chinese. Not sure if that gets me any points with being a foreigner. It's obvious I'm not korean since I don't speak the language. I don't mind independant, its just harder to setup with the language issue. Are there some local review sites or ad sites that are reputable? As for CIM, it usually isn't needed but I've had issues with tiny asian girls because I'm a bit wider than average so they either won't let me go too deep or it doesn't last very long so in the end they finish me off with BBBJ and I might as well get a CIM with it. BBBJ is a deal breaker for me though.

I'm in seoul for only 2 days so I may just skip it and try at my next stop (taipei).Daytime activity is hard to come by as ShimShimHeyo said. Basically you're limited to Officetels / massage places but since you don't speak Korean Officetels are out. You could try CraigsL or BackP but I've heard those places are much more expensive and the quality of girls vary. And you won't be able to pick out the girl.

[V Drohi]

Any recommendations for folks of Indian origin? Or is everyone the same if they are not Korean? Also, any recommendations for finding the hot Russian talent is much appreciated.

I read that some members can distinguish which agencies are fake. If they can share that knowlege, it would be great for the rest of us n00 BS. A PM of the best agencies to visit would be great. I am already planning to go to MVP VIP and Ace.

I am there for about 4 days, any other recommendations to try out?

[KgirlPower]

You will need use VPN and register with some korean sex websites like "adal5". Just use Google translater. Should be easy to register. But problem will be language barrier when you call. I would just call and be straight up and say do you accept foreignors till one accepts you.


Any recommendations for folks of Indian origin? Or is everyone the same if they are not Korean? Also, any recommendations for finding the hot Russian talent is much appreciated.

I read that some members can distinguish which agencies are fake. If they can share that knowlege, it would be great for the rest of us n00 BS. A PM of the best agencies to visit would be great. I am already planning to go to MVP VIP and Ace.

I am there for about 4 days, any other recommendations to try out?

[KgirlPower]

You do it at private incalls like apts while anmas do it at a site of business.

Officetls are just incalls with only sex. Not typical massage or oil massage etc like hyugatels.

So since hyungstel requies massage skills you get more of the mediocre looking girls since tbe hotter girls.

Are too lazy to bother learning massage. They rather just bang you and get you out the door for the next guy.


Just curious what the main differences are between the two. The photos of the girls from.

Hyugetels seem to be less glamorous but the prices are better. That's all I really noticed.

[Kor Blue Jay]

So since hyungstel requies massage skills you get more of the mediocre looking girls since tbe hotter girls.

Are too lazy to bother learning massage. They rather just bang you and get you out the door for the next guy.While looking up Hyugetel reviews on adal, I noticed most Hyugetels have separate massages. Usually old women or men, who know what they are doing. It's not usually the girl you fuck that gives you the massage.

[SlowAndEasy]

That blows my mind. Most of the k-girls are from Korea they don't even know that much English! I was expecting to travel to a land of them!This is actually very disappointing. We have amazing Korean escorts in Canada. I thought going to Seoul would be heaven.

[LovinAsia]

This is actually very disappointing. We have amazing Korean escorts in Canada. I thought going to Seoul would be heaven.Nope its a totally different scene here. Hard for short term visiting mongerers.

[OralSea]

Nope its a totally different scene here. Hard for short term visiting mongerers.Not sure if this is old news or not, but the following link has info for Foreigner Friendly Adult Establishments in Seoul: http://www.rokitreports.com/prostitution-foreigners-korea/.

LM,

[DriveAlive]

Looking for answers to these questions. Tried to research some but no clear answers.

1) If you book a girl for the whole night, do you get unlimited pops?

2) What to do to avoid scams / getting pinched?

3) Looking for Caucasian / Latina only. Any tips or reviews?

4) Backpage- Legit or stay away?

5) Any other advice, thanks.

[Facebook2]

Looking for answers to these questions. Tried to research some but no clear answers.

1) If you book a girl for the whole night, do you get unlimited pops?

2) What to do to avoid scams / getting pinched?

3) Looking for Caucasian / Latina only. Any tips or reviews?

4) Backpage- Legit or stay away?

5) Any other advice, thanks.1) Try negotiating with the girl or agency first before appointment is set. Typically they like to charge one pop per hour which in my opinion is a rip off. I only see her if she will allow at least two pops because the first one is always too quick.

2) Make sure payment and details are worked out before meeting.

3 & 4) Backpage is safe. It's all I really use aside from two massage spots I frequent outside of Seoul that offer FS for 120 krw with girls who aren't old hags. Also on Backpage, I've had Latinas who advertised on it and they were amazing. Hands down the best appointments I've ever had. One was a petite green eyed Colombian girl with freckles that looked European who left a few months ago and another was a petite Mexican girl who's actually still here. Both were in their early 20's, very clean / hygienic, GFE, skilled, spoke good English and had fun personalities. If you type "Mexican" into the search on BP you can find her real pics and all. Treat her well, she's very sweet. She has a new friend with her who's Colombian too it seems.

As for Caucasian you can find Russian and European girls but they seem to charge outrageous prices and the ones on BP use fake pictures. I've only been with one and that was last year. I found her ad by chance on BP. Her pics were real, the price was not absurd and the session was amazing. She left Korea and said she's not coming back. I almost met with another one who charged good prices but I had to cancel on her last minute for something and didn't get back to her. Very hot Euro girls pop up all the time though if you'll be in Korea for a while. This is not the country for short stay trips.

5) Korean condoms suck especially if you're on the bigger side. Not sure how well they fit "average size" men but for me they're too small to get on properly. Luckily I have access to American brands like magnum I can buy whenever.

Also, don't get ripped off. $300+ for an hour is pretty damn high. The typical hourly charge in Korea (still high imo) is about 200-220 krw. Don't be afraid to negotiate!!

[HanSouloh]

3 & 4) Backpage is safe. It's all I really use aside from two massage spots I frequent outside of Seoul that offer FS for 120 krw with girls who aren't old hags. Anyway you could perhaps share the location and details of this place please?

[Dtl9889]

Again, it's all up to the girl. It's not like the management is going to be in the room with you.

If the girl wants to count it as one of your shots, she can. If she doesn't, it won't. Management only cares about time and turnover. Whatever happens in the room is mainly in the hands of the provider. I hope everything works out for you.My first officetel experience didn't go very well. I love Russian women so I went to a Russian officetel. However, the girl that I saw didn't match the description of the ad. I love tall curvy women, and she was petite. The girl I asked for was tall and curvy. She first complained about my size because I'm pretty big for a Korean. She was very petite and as soon as she tried to take me, I busted. She basically stopped the session right there and would barely touch me after. She told me about how one of the reasons why so many Russian girls are willing to go to Korea as working girls, is because they guys are smaller and it's easier on them. Seeing me, negated that benefit.

Anyway, I learned from my mistake and now go to a public bathroom before my session, and rub one out. I'll even cum during the session but the small amount of cum in the rubber goes unnoticed.

[Dtl9889]

A few questions.

1. I called and visited two different russian officetels and I paid the same guy and went to the same apartment complex. Are they mostly the same business?

2. Both times, the girl I asked for didn't match the picture. Is that normal as well?

[Ready81]

I'm pretty familiar with escorts and hookers, but I've never mongered in Korea before. Live abroad. Been busy with meeting family and what-not, thought I could use a breather.

For a little background info, I'm Korean, in shape, 20's and mostly bilingual (speaking no accent, reading / writing is hard because IDK slang and hard words). Created an adal5 acc (thanks for the info ISG) and found something promising.

So after an easy reservation on the phone, I went to a Hugetel massage place for the first time. I opted for the "no massage" course, so straight to the action after a shower. 1 hour.

Pleasantly surprised, she's pretty hot. Skipping the useless details and small talk, foreplay is great, she's really wet, she gives an amazing BJ and then is just sort of awkwardly waiting around.

This is where, in other countries that I'm used to, she grabs a condom and we fuck. But she doesn't seem to be reaching for anything and I've never brought my own condom to see an escort before in my 20+ P4P experiences..We are not required to provide a condom, it is usually provided. But sometimes an extremely hot one has tried to get me to go without one. I always have had enough willpower to stop her, but it is tough. You can imagine in such a mongering culture, such precautions are absolutely necessary (as anywhere).

[Facebook2]

My first officetel experience didn't go very well. I love Russian women so I went to a Russian officetel. However, the girl that I saw didn't match the description of the ad. I love tall curvy women, and she was petite. The girl I asked for was tall and curvy. She first complained about my size because I'm pretty big for a Korean. She was very petite and as soon as she tried to take me, I busted. She basically stopped the session right there and would barely touch me after. She told me about how one of the reasons why so many Russian girls are willing to go to Korea as working girls, is because they guys are smaller and it's easier on them. Seeing me, negated that benefit.

Anyway, I learned from my mistake and now go to a public bathroom before my session, and rub one out. I'll even cum during the session but the small amount of cum in the rubber goes unnoticed.That sucks man. How big are you?

This is why I make sure to negotiate two shots because my size compared to the tightness of most women in this country makes me bust way too fast. Some girls don't want to bother enduring a round two and end it but some girls will at least give a massage or cuddle or even let you have a another shot.

[Cali1987]

Dtl9889,

I love me petite Russian women! Can you share the info? Where was the oficetel located? Sharing is caring.


My first officetel experience didn't go very well. I love Russian women so I went to a Russian officetel. However, the girl that I saw didn't match the description of the ad. I love tall curvy women, and she was petite. The girl I asked for was tall and curvy. She first complained about my size because I'm pretty big for a Korean. She was very petite and as soon as she tried to take me, I busted. She basically stopped the session right there and would barely touch me after. She told me about how one of the reasons why so many Russian girls are willing to go to Korea as working girls, is because they guys are smaller and it's easier on them. Seeing me, negated that benefit.

Anyway, I learned from my mistake and now go to a public bathroom before my session, and rub one out. I'll even cum during the session but the small amount of cum in the rubber goes unnoticed.


A few questions.

1. I called and visited two different russian officetels and I paid the same guy and went to the same apartment complex. Are they mostly the same business?

2. Both times, the girl I asked for didn't match the picture. Is that normal as well?

[Ty Down]

Seoul at Night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgZkX1hngAQ

[Phloppy]

Hey everyone? Does anyone know if Tina Yang is still around? A simple google search links old ads but nothing current. Sarah Miehn has priced herself out of my business unfortunately. Good for her if she can get people to spend 600 USD / HR but that is not for me. Quite a shame as her reviews are outstanding and I would have liked to see what all the fuss was about. Hopefully I can get some updated info on Tina Yang as she also had some good teviews.

Anything else going on in the seedier side of Seoul? I will be going on a mongering spree and am looking for recommendations. My mainstay used to be 588 but that is gone.

[RainMania]

Hey everyone? Does anyone know if Tina Yang is still around? A simple google search links old ads but nothing current. Sarah Miehn has priced herself out of my business unfortunately. Good for her if she can get people to spend 600 USD / HR but that is not for me. Quite a shame as her reviews are outstanding and I would have liked to see what all the fuss was about. Hopefully I can get some updated info on Tina Yang as she also had some good teviews.

Anything else going on in the seedier side of Seoul? I will be going on a mongering spree and am looking for recommendations. My mainstay used to be 588 but that is gone.Last I heard, Tina Yang was somewhere in Tokyo. You're right about Sarah Miehn unfortunately, way out of what I'm willing to spend on one pop (or even multiple pops in one hour).

As you know, the escort scene is complete shit. There are escorts on massage republic offering CBJ and one pop for 300 k, tons of SE Asian girls offering one pop for 250+, white girls offering whatever number they can pull out of their arseholes with each new figure higher than the last.

I was talking to one Thai (or Cambodian) BP provider a few months back. I offered 250 k for 2 hrs and 3 pops, she agreed. Ultimately I couldn't meet up due to other commitments. Fast forward to September, her rates had changed to 1 HR 250 k for 1 pop, 2 hrs 2 pops for 350 - I'the rather fly to SE Asia for the weekend and monger to my heart's desire LOL, and I'the probably still have some change left!

Miari is still open, though most of the ladies are older and fatter than in the past. You might need to look harder for those gems there.

Cheonho is still running as well, though I haven't been there since the beginning of summer.

Suwon is still operational, tons of 3 D workers mongering it's be and see rows, so some of the better be and see row girls have become picky.

One interesting development is the semi-resurgence of hooker Hill. Minus the trans bars (some of those ladyboys do look good! There has been an inflow of younger, hotter girls too. Bean (an old favorite) is still there, slimmer than in the past but sexy thick as fuck and now wearing stockings etc.

Their attitudes on the hill have massively improved too. I must've went over 10 times this summer, mostly fucked Bean and 2 other girls near the bottom. I guess the threat of being ousted by trans bars does wonders for customer service. Damage 70-90 k depending on your negotiation skills. Make sure you agree on EVERYTHING you want before exchanging money, hill girls may be better behaved these days, but they'll still eat you up for breakfast if you allow it.

[Phloppy]

Their attitudes on the hill have massively improved too. I must've went over 10 times this summer, mostly fucked Bean and 2 other girls near the bottom. I guess the threat of being ousted by trans bars does wonders for customer service. Damage 70-90 k depending on your negotiation skills. Make sure you agree on EVERYTHING you want before exchanging money, hill girls may be better behaved these days, but they'll still eat you up for breakfast if you allow it.Thanks Rain! If you look back on my posts, I was a bit scammed by a hill lady based on my inferior negotiating skills and not telling her I wanted some time DATY beforehand. Lesson learned.

I will have at least one go on the hill as you stated, the quality has taken a turn for the better. I have never been to Suwon, so I might try that. I was very impressed with Busan Haeundae RLD and may trek down there, but I don't want to blow my mingering money on travel. Also, I will peruse the offerings at Cheonhoe.

[Jaywalk229]

1) Try negotiating with the girl or agency first before appointment is set. Typically they like to charge one pop per hour which in my opinion is a rip off. I only see her if she will allow at least two pops because the first one is always too quick.

2) Make sure payment and details are worked out before meeting.

3 & 4) Backpage is safe. It's all I really use aside from two massage spots I frequent outside of Seoul that offer FS for 120 krw with girls who aren't old hags. Also on Backpage, I've had Latinas who advertised on it and they were amazing. Hands down the best appointments I've ever had. One was a petite green eyed Colombian girl with freckles that looked European who left a few months ago and another was a petite Mexican girl who's actually still here. Both were in their early 20's, very clean / hygienic, GFE, skilled, spoke good English and had fun personalities. If you type "Mexican" into the search on BP you can find her real pics and all. Treat her well, she's very sweet. She has a new friend with her who's Colombian too it seems.

As for Caucasian you can find Russian and European girls but they seem to charge outrageous prices and the ones on BP use fake pictures..Hi, y

You seem to have quite the handle of things. As a noobie to the scene, I wanted to ask you two things:

(1) regarding the condom situation (I read one reply stating that condoms have to be prepared in advance but want to double check). If I set up an appointment through BP do I have to have my own set of condoms ready? (who am I kidding, I will probably just use 1) If it's an incall and I go to where the girl is, do I have to bring my own?

(2) Also, I'm really into mixed race (half Asian) girls. You wouldn't happen to have any advice on finding mixed girls other than waiting for a lucky post on BP, would you?

Thanks in advance.

[HanSouloh]

Just heard that Itaewon will be demolished soon to make way for apartments. Didn't believe it at first but then I searched online and it seems to be true. So I think we have to take advantage of the time we have now and have more than a great time.

[Kimchi Warrior]

Just heard that Itaewon will be demolished soon to make way for apartments. Didn't believe it at first but then I searched online and it seems to be true. So I think we have to take advantage of the time we have now and have more than a great time.LOL. Itaewon is a big place. It has 5 sub-districts. There are redevelopment schemes in various degrees of pendency for a couple of them. One invloves the area to the east and west of the Mosque running south to the river. It is not finally approved yet, but may kick in next year. The main commercial and "entertainment" areas are unaffected.

[Facebook2]

Hi, y

You seem to have quite the handle of things. As a noobie to the scene, I wanted to ask you two things:

(1) regarding the condom situation (I read one reply stating that condoms have to be prepared in advance but want to double check). If I set up an appointment through BP do I have to have my own set of condoms ready? (who am I kidding, I will probably just use 1) If it's an incall and I go to where the girl is, do I have to bring my own?

(2) Also, I'm really into mixed race (half Asian) girls. You wouldn't happen to have any advice on finding mixed girls other than waiting for a lucky post on BP, would you?

Thanks in advance.1) Typically the girl will have her own. Many of them aren't trying to go bareback. I highly recommend you get your own though. The condoms these women carry around are meant for Korean men and no offense but Korean men are very small. I learned my lesson last time I didn't bring my own and used the condom she provided. Escorts actually prefer if you bring your own if you're too big for Korean condoms.

2) I've seen some who advertise on BP but a lot of them use stolen photos so I wouldn't recommend. They swear they look similar to the girl who's photo they stole but I wouldn't chance it. Also, they charge insane prices. But other than that I'm not sure where else to find half Asian girls.

[Niteluvr]

Last I heard, Tina Yang was somewhere in Tokyo. You're right about Sarah Miehn unfortunately, way out of what I'm willing to spend on one pop (or even multiple pops in one hour).

As you know, the escort scene is complete shit. There are escorts on massage republic offering CBJ and one pop for 300 k, tons of SE Asian girls offering one pop for 250+, white girls offering whatever number they can pull out of their arseholes with each new figure higher than the last.

I was talking to one Thai (or Cambodian) BP provider a few months back. I offered 250 k for 2 hrs and 3 pops, she agreed. Ultimately I couldn't meet up due to other commitments. Fast forward to September, her rates had changed to 1 HR 250 k for 1 pop, 2 hrs 2 pops for 350 - I'the rather fly to SE Asia for the weekend and monger to my heart's desire LOL, and I'the probably still have some change left!

Miari is still open, though most of the ladies are older and fatter than in the past. You might need to look harder for those gems there.

Cheonho is still running as well, though I haven't been there since the beginning of summer.

Suwon is still operational, tons of 3 D workers mongering it's be and see rows, so some of the better be and see row girls have become picky.

One interesting development is the semi-resurgence of hooker Hill. Minus the trans bars (some of those ladyboys do look good! There has been an inflow of younger, hotter girls too. Bean (an old favorite) is still there, slimmer than in the past but sexy thick as fuck and now wearing stockings etc.

Their attitudes on the hill have massively improved too. I must've went over 10 times this summer, mostly fucked Bean and 2 other girls near the bottom. I guess the threat of being ousted by trans bars does wonders for customer service. Damage 70-90 k depending on your negotiation skills. Make sure you agree on EVERYTHING you want before exchanging money, hill girls may be better behaved these days, but they'll still eat you up for breakfast if you allow it.How many ladies will still do a decent BBBJ on the Hill? Is Candy still around and doing it in the ass? Any upbeat offerings for same services on the main drag or are they still overpriced bargirls hustling drinks and providing nothing in return?

[RainMania]

Bean still gives the best BBBJ on the Hill. The thing with her is she will almost always try to sneak in an extra charge during negotiations IF you don't tell her exactly what you want upfront first. For example, if you tell her you want a BJ and sex, you've already screwed up LOL. She will initially quote you 150-200, after which you'll negotiate down to 80-90. BBBJ wasnt in the initial demand, so now she'll insist on an extra 20-50 bucks for that (but she'll settle for 10). If you know how captain Barbosa from pirates of the Caribbean negotiates, it's very similar to how Bean does it.

Bomi of ambrosia comes a close second when it comes to BBBJ on the hill. Again, you'll have to make your requirements clear before reaching a deal and definitely before handing over any money.

There are 3-4 hot girls at the bar 2 doors down from ambrosia right at the entrance of the hil (I think the name is VIP), I rarely go there because a) they always quote the most ridiculous pricing, and b) even if you successfully negotiate to sub 100 k the service will be mechanical at best.

I don't venture up the road that is perpendicular to the hill (the one with king's) because I haven't needed to in a long time.

[Ready81]

How many ladies will still do a decent BBBJ on the Hill? Is Candy still around and doing it in the ass? Any upbeat offerings for same services on the main drag or are they still overpriced bargirls hustling drinks and providing nothing in return?Candy is still around, not sure if she is taking it in the butt anymore. I haven't asked. But she is a damn good experience. Always service with a small no matter what you do. She is at one of the bars on the main drag, perpendicular to the hill. The one near the Turkish bakery maybe?

[ShimShimHeyo]

Hey everyone? Does anyone know if Tina Yang is still around? A simple google search links old ads but nothing current. Sarah Miehn has priced herself out of my business unfortunately. Good for her if she can get people to spend 600 USD / HR but that is not for me. Quite a shame as her reviews are outstanding and I would have liked to see what all the fuss was about. Hopefully I can get some updated info on Tina Yang as she also had some good teviews.

Anything else going on in the seedier side of Seoul? I will be going on a mongering spree and am looking for recommendations. My mainstay used to be 588 but that is gone.Tina Yang has retired. She is living happily in Thailand with the money she made.

For a mongering spree, give Cheonho and Texas Miari a try. Of course there is always hooker hill in the Twon.

[ShimShimHeyo]

1) Typically the girl will have her own. Many of them aren't trying to go bareback. I highly recommend you get your own though. The condoms these women carry around are meant for Korean men and no offense but Korean men are very small. I learned my lesson last time I didn't bring my own and used the condom she provided. Escorts actually prefer if you bring your own if you're too big for Korean condoms.

2) I've seen some who advertise on BP but a lot of them use stolen photos so I wouldn't recommend. They swear they look similar to the girl who's photo they stole but I wouldn't chance it. Also, they charge insane prices. But other than that I'm not sure where else to find half Asian girls.Agree.

Korean girls will always bring condoms but you should have some of your own favorite brands just in case. As a courtesy, just hand it over to her before opening it. Some really appreciate inspecting it for any type of tampering. I know it's not a super big deal but it never hurts to let your companion know that you're thinking of her health and safety.

And yes, BP is full of scam photos. All I do is google search the images. You'll find that a fairly large number of these photos will be of 2nd tier Korean models, instagram girls and minor celebrities.

[Charlie01]

Can anyone guide me where I can find a kissing room or hug room in and around Sinchon / Hongdae area and also please drop in your experience and what is allowed inside.

[Garthie1]

How many ladies will still do a decent BBBJ on the Hill? Is Candy still around and doing it in the ass? Any upbeat offerings for same services on the main drag or are they still overpriced bargirls hustling drinks and providing nothing in return?You plan on going to Korea? I'll be there for Christmas and will definitely hit up Bean. Let me know if you are looking for someone specific.

[Garthie1]

Bean still gives the best BBBJ on the Hill. The thing with her is she will almost always try to sneak in an extra charge during negotiations IF you don't tell her exactly what you want upfront first. For example, if you tell her you want a BJ and sex, you've already screwed up LOL. She will initially quote you 150-200, after which you'll negotiate down to 80-90. BBBJ wasnt in the initial demand, so now she'll insist on an extra 20-50 bucks for that (but she'll settle for 10). If you know how captain Barbosa from pirates of the Caribbean negotiates, it's very similar to how Bean does it.

Bomi of ambrosia comes a close second when it comes to BBBJ on the hill. Again, you'll have to make your requirements clear before reaching a deal and definitely before handing over any money.

There are 3-4 hot girls at the bar 2 doors down from ambrosia right at the entrance of the hil (I think the name is VIP), I rarely go there because a) they always quote the most ridiculous pricing, and b) even if you successfully negotiate to sub 100 k the service will be mechanical at best.

I don't venture up the road that is perpendicular to the hill (the one with king's) because I haven't needed to in a long time.Thanks for the update, you're the only consistent source for info on the Hill. I'll be there around Christmas for a week or so. I'm looking to meet Bean and a few others. BTW, you run into Kelly from Texas Bar? Someone said she was around but didn't know if she was still in the business. She's one of my ATF.

[Niteluvr]

You plan on going to Korea? I'll be there for Christmas and will definitely hit up Bean. Let me know if you are looking for someone specific.Probably not but fuck a few at Miari in my honor. I'll be stuck in the ATL as usual. Would love to try out Bean someday. I saw her on the Hill in 2012 but she was a little too thick and gave me a sour look when I walked by so I never gave her a second thought. My favorite is still Candy. She's been around since at least 2004-2005. Plowed all 3 of her holes many times.

[FarEastTrader]

How to locate Bean or Candy on the hill?

It will be my first visit to Seoul, staying in Itaewon area. Is there a recent RoD on how to navigate through or around the Hill?

[Lion55]

Bean still gives the best BBBJ on the Hill.Bean is good but I personally think that Kay from Happy Days is even better; and without the attitude you sometimes get with Bean. Kay is a bit older but IMHO has a nicer body and is more service oriented. Only downside is that she is only around on weekends.

[VancouverBoy]

I'm pretty familiar with escorts and hookers, but I've never mongered in Korea before. Live abroad. Been busy with meeting family and what-not, thought I could use a breather.

For a little background info, I'm Korean, in shape, 20's and mostly bilingual (speaking no accent, reading / writing is hard because IDK slang and hard words). Created an adal5 acc (thanks for the info ISG) and found something promising.

So after an easy reservation on the phone, I went to a Hugetel massage place for the first time. I opted for the "no massage" course, so straight to the action after a shower. 1 hour.

Pleasantly surprised, she's pretty hot. Skipping the useless details and small talk, foreplay is great, she's really wet, she gives an amazing BJ and then is just sort of awkwardly waiting around.

This is where, in other countries that I'm used to, she grabs a condom and we fuck. But she doesn't seem to be reaching for anything and I've never brought my own condom to see an escort before in my 20+ P4P experiences..Where's the place (Hyuggetel you mentioned) located? Can you spare the directions? If so try to be accurate! P.S.: KB's are disappearing from Seoul!. There are some left, but in Silim area I knew 5 of them, now only 2 left! Good days are gone!

[SlickBack]

Bean is good but I personally think that Kay from Happy Days is even better; and without the attitude you sometimes get with Bean. Kay is a bit older but IMHO has a nicer body and is more service oriented. Only downside is that she is only around on weekends.+1 for beans location. She seems to be highly praised on this site and would like to see what all the fuss is about. I did see Lara this week on the hill and she is pretty great. She's towards the top on the right if going up, left if coming down at a room labeled Laura.

[Swpc10]

Bean is good but I personally think that Kay from Happy Days is even better; and without the attitude you sometimes get with Bean. Kay is a bit older but IMHO has a nicer body and is more service oriented. Only downside is that she is only around on weekends.

Is that Happy Days Spa?

Or where? I will be in Seoul in a couple of weeks.

[Lion55]

Is that Happy Days Spa?
Or where? I will be in Seoul in a couple of weeks.Happy Days Bar on Hooker Hill in Itaewon. About 3/4 of the way up on the left hand side. Kaye is there on weekends. Bean works at the bar next door, going up the hill. I saw Kaye last night. Awesome as ever and still my ATF on the Hilll.

[SlickBack]

Happy Days Bar on Hooker Hill in Itaewon. About 3/4 of the way up on the left hand side. Kaye is there on weekends. Bean works at the bar next door, going up the hill. I saw Kaye last night. Awesome as ever and still my ATF on the Hilll.Did a quick Google maps and it looks like advent grand is next door. Does that sound correct? Also is there any particular time on the weekend bean works?

Side note, I've seen a few reports on other sites about police patrolling the area. Have Aly of you had experience with being in a police raid / american military police?

I've been to plenty other areas like Suwon, Anma, etc but the hill seems so sketchy to me.

[Pilot85]

Just returned from my annual pilgrimage to Seoul. Banged around Itaewon for the week with old friends. Hit the hill a few nights. Not much has changed there. Forgot to look for Kay on Saturday night. That was a mistake. She is always tops though I don't know where she is anymore. Anyway, ran into some of the "juicy bars" if that is what you call them anymore. Most were kind of quiet most of the week. Black Orchid had some nice talent and L'Ocean had a few as well on the weekend. Ended up mostly at Cecile- I just like the atmosphere there, classy place with good music and a good pool table. Sue is still there. Still has those great tits. Would love to check her out for take home one night. There were quite a few girls working at Celile. Some real lookers, others ehhh. I'm not sure if they play but a few were dressed for action so I think so. One was in a halter type dress so short there was little left to imagine. She was pretty aggressive so I'm guessing she is available. Long hair, nice tits!! . music was great and everyone was friendly. I kept trying to hit on Sue but no luck. So back to the Hyatt. Still some action at JJ's but nothing caught my eye. Ended up going back to the Hill for late night take home on Saturday. I was looking for Candy but could not find her so opted for another. Can't remember her name but had a good time. Of course she wanted 250 K. Negotiated down to 150 K for take home all night but it was late so I think she wanted one last deal.

[Lion55]

Did a quick Google maps and it looks like advent grand is next door. Does that sound correct? Also is there any particular time on the weekend bean works?
Side note, I've seen a few reports on other sites about police patrolling the area. Have Aly of you had experience with being in a police raid / american military police?.The bar Bean works out of is called Deja Vu unless the name has changed. I've seen her there both on weeknights and weekends.

Yes there are sometimes police and / or MPs around but I haven't heard of any raids. The girls know when they are around and just keep their doors shut until the coast is clear.

[Muppets]

Hi chaps,

I have the pleasure of being in Incheon for five days over Christmas. Was thinking of grabbing a hotel in Itaewon for a couple of nights as I remember having a lot of fun on the hill a few years ago whilst staying at the grand Hyatt. I imagine it won't be an issue, but can anyone confirm if on Christmas day it's business as usual on the hill?

Thanks.

[TK4075]

Friday night in Seoul tried Backpage engaged SiJu excellent time is the girl in picture. Not clock watcher. Anything on the table except anal, is very responsive to your actions and enjoyed the time as well as I did. W250,000 Would repeat.

[Handsomabe]

Friday night in Seoul tried Backpage engaged SiJu excellent time is the girl in picture. Not clock watcher. Anything on the table except anal, is very responsive to your actions and enjoyed the time as well as I did. W250,000 Would repeat.I can't seem to access backpage for Seoul in USA. I am coming next week to Seoul. Please help.

[Integ]

I can't seem to access backpage for Seoul in USA. I am coming next week to Seoul. Please help.Try http://seoul.cracker.com its the same exact thing.

[TokyoGuy01]

Has anyone been to fish or ace recently? I went to fish last year and it was awesome. I'll be in Seoul again soon and just wanted to be sure either was still open. Thanks.

[Oscar Milde]

This seems to be very popular for finding girls.

Any recommendations?

I know the girls are not as shown in photos but they are often pretty attractive?

Any recommendations?

[RainMania]

Business must be going painfully slow again. Shame how that works when you price yourself out of the market huh.

No, cracker / backpage is NOT popular for finding girls. It is filled with the same 3-5 overpriced agencies who spam the site with fake ads, and practice nothing but bait and switch. Plus a group of the same tired independents looking for the next sucker to charge 300 k per shot for shit sex.

[LovinAsia]

Business must be going painfully slow again. Shame how that works when you price yourself out of the market huh.

No, cracker / backpage is NOT popular for finding girls. It is filled with the same 3-5 overpriced agencies who spam the site with fake ads, and practice nothing but bait and switch. Plus a group of the same tired independents looking for the next sucker to charge 300 k per shot for shit sex.Hahahahahaha.

[Swpc10]

Try http://seoul.cracker.com its the same exact thing.You can't access it from the US either.

Once you are out of the US, you can access Cracker for the world.

[Oscar Milde]

Hahahahahaha.My experience with cracker.com hasn't been great. First two times the girls were out after 35 minutes, third time I got an okay service so I sent the girl a tongue-in-cheek love letter, then requested another meeting but the price jumped from 250 k to 350 k an hour. Obviously had to pay extra for the emotion. When I tried to negotiate she said she could make more at the casinos as they were full of rich guys.

She said she had some girls but in three emails the price went from 270 - 280 to 300 for a girl who arrived with periods so I had to use my hand.

So I think its time for me to take my vows of celibacy again.

[Ready81]

Friday night in Seoul tried Backpage engaged SiJu excellent time is the girl in picture. Not clock watcher. Anything on the table except anal, is very responsive to your actions and enjoyed the time as well as I did. W250,000 Would repeat.150,000-200,000 will get you 2 stunners all night in Thailand- even Koreans know this and won't bite. Nice try though.

[RainMania]

New trend on cracker / BP:

Some providers are now changing their name. Ie no customers.

Many now do not put their price list in their ads. Ie sucker you into emailing them for their inflated price list.

That 'new' girl that has 'just arrived' from somewhere in SE Asia has been operating in Korea for at least 3 years.

Even officetels / anmas don't charge as much as this lot for one shot.

You can literally fly your own girl in from Philippines / Thailand for an all expenses paid 3-5 days long sex holiday (200-300 k flight, another 200-300 k for food / accommodation), without any extra cost. Give the girl an extra day or two to herself and you've spent less than a 3 HR cracker booking LOL.

I know because it works. Of course it takes longer for this method to work, but there are plenty of koreaboo SEA girls that wouldn’t give up the chance of a visit to Korea on someone else’s dime.

[Oscar Milde]

Although I've had some dismal services in Seoul, there is an all girl group organised by a lady called Lina, an ex-escort who has formed an all girl group who don't advertise for fear of intimidation from male agencies. She can arrange very attractive girls who give a good service. If you put the words:

I'm a new girl around here.

Into the cracker.com search engine it will take you to her last ad dated Thu. 7 Dec, 14:10 where you can get her email.

I think they are the best possibility for beauty and service. The only good meetings I've had so far. Would give a good recommendation.


New trend on cracker / BP:

Some providers are now changing their name. Ie no customers.

Many now do not put their price list in their ads. Ie sucker you into emailing them for their inflated price list.

That 'new' girl that has 'just arrived' from somewhere in SE Asia has been operating in Korea for at least 3 years.

Even officetels / anmas don't charge as much as this lot for one shot.

You can literally fly your own girl in from Philippines / Thailand for an all expenses paid 3-5 days long sex holiday (200-300 k flight, another 200-300 k for food / accommodation), without any extra cost. Give the girl an extra day or two to herself and you've spent less than a 3 HR cracker booking LOL.

I know because it works. Of course it takes longer for this method to work, but there are plenty of koreaboo SEA girls that wouldnt give up the chance of a visit to Korea on someone elses dime.

[RainMania]

The current price mess in the Korean indie scene was partially caused by girls grouping together and collectively upping their prices out of greed. Therefore your attempts at touting your (or Lina's) agency is useless here.

200-300 k for one shot is an abysmal rate to be paying when there are so many other options available. Even girls in Dubai and Abu Dhabi don't charge that.

Your business model makes no economic sense. I'm an avid monger, I monger at least once or twice a week without fail. Therefore I have zero incentive to pay backpage / cracker rates when I can simply skip mongering for a month and use the saved money to either spend a weekend of debauchery in SE Asia, or bring the debauchery from SE Asia to me.

If I'm feeling particularly horny, I can make my way to hooker hill, miari, cheonho, incheon yellow house and other RLDs where I can blow my load for under 100 k won (70-80 mostly).

Here's a piece of advice. If you and the other girls want the good old days to return, reverse your prices to near what they were during the pre-bubble years. I'm talking 2012-13 when the average rate was 150 k won per hour and 200-250 for 2. If your egos are too big to do that, then maybe it's time to find another career.

[LovinAsia]

Rainman rocks!

[TokyoGuy01]

What a difference a year makes. My first time at Fish was totally cool. I think I paid 200 k, got to choose my girl and had the fluffer when I got out of the elevator. This time, they wanted to charge me 240 k (I talked them down to 220 k), you can't choose the girl, and no fluffer. The girl who met me outside the elevator kissed and gave me a BJ so I thought she was the fluffer, but she ended up being the chick I got. She turned out to be a really cool chick, and she had a great pair of fun bags, but she packed a bit of a cushion. And during the service in her room there was no warm water and no table for the all body tit wash. Cute face though so I wasn't totally disappointed with the chick. But the new system kinda sucked. Supposedly they are going to change Fish to a show pub or something like that. The chick and I were talking through a translation app so not sure if I got the info right.

But anyhow, don't think I'll be back to Fish again.

[MrTarzan]

Must say my experiences on cracker have been terrible bait and switch, lazy girls massively overpriced, out after 30 minutes, sudden jumps in price, all the worst thing imaginable. Put me off for life, so I also wait till I travel outside the country.

I'd love to organise a boycott to bring down prices but I think that would be difficult.

[Gatsbyx78]

Looking for hot ladies for BBFS. Hopefully not overcharged. Thanks!

[KimchiBoy]

Must say my experiences on cracker have been terrible bait and switch, lazy girls massively overpriced, out after 30 minutes, sudden jumps in price, all the worst thing imaginable. Put me off for life, so I also wait till I travel outside the country.

I'd love to organise a boycott to bring down prices but I think that would be difficult.Hear hear, in total agreement. I've also had lousy experiences I.

[ShimShimHeyo]

New trend on cracker / BP:

Some providers are now changing their name. Ie no customers.

Many now do not put their price list in their ads. Ie sucker you into emailing them for their inflated price list.

That 'new' girl that has 'just arrived' from somewhere in SE Asia has been operating in Korea for at least 3 years.

Even officetels / anmas don't charge as much as this lot for one shot. .Totally agree. I have moved all my big mongering to SE Asia. The prices places are charging here is just stupid already.

I met a woman in Bangkok 2 years ago and we stayed in touch. She came to visit me in Korea for 4 days. I paid for her airfare and set her up in a dirt cheap hotel. I did this only to give her a place of her own and peace of mind but she spent the whole time with me at my place. Total cost (+ food and what nots) was about 500,000 won.

I spent a month combing through Phil dating sites. I was very open in saying that I'm only looking for fun and managed to set up 4 dates. Checked Jin Air and Jeju Air for specials. I've snagged a RT tix to Manila for a little over $100. Spent 3 nights there at a really nice hotel (a LOT cheaper if you want a budget place). 2 of the 4 dates fell through but managed to meet up with 2. One of them really clicked with me and she was more than happy to chill with me at the hotel, enjoying the pool. Never paid her a dime but I did treat her to all her meals and I took her along with me to a spa for a massage (worth it). Total cost for the trip was $700. But if you pinch, it could be even less.

She is planning on coming to Korea to visit when it gets a little warmer. This works for Thailand but I prefer the Philippines because their English is way better.

[ShimShimHeyo]

I can't seem to access backpage for Seoul in USA. I am coming next week to Seoul. Please help.Due to the presence of sex traffic to the USA, any US IP will block cracker / BP. Use a VPN and bounce outside of the states. Or you just need to wait until you get here. But honestly not worth it.

[MrTarzan]

Looking for hot ladies for BBFS. Hopefully not overcharged. Thanks!You find everything hugely overcharged in Korea and the service is generally lousy. Rather save your money for another place.

[MrTarzan]

Due to the presence of sex traffic to the USA, any US IP will block cracker / BP. Use a VPN and bounce outside of the states. Or you just need to wait until you get here. But honestly not worth it.Be prepared for pricey girls who give a shoddy service.

[CasualFunSeoul]

Organize a boycott to bring prices down? Hahaha why'all are Fucking delusional. In a country where probably 70% of the native male population visit prostitutes you think any one is going to give 2 shits if even the entire foreign population stopped using their services? We make like 1% of their market. Anyway.

If you're using backpage, or another site, and paying more than 100,000 you're fucked. Pun intended! Ripped off! Korea is s still the Mecca of reasonable priced Pussy if you know where to look.

3 options I will advice: 1 & 2 are okay. 3 is the best by far.

1) VIP Anma near Gangnam station. 120,000 one shot. Girls are usually Mongolian, Kazakhstan, Chinese, little older, not so hot, but do a good job.

2) Street perpendicular to hooker hill. Top of hill across from the foreign market. It's called Nymph. I forget the chicks name. Face is 90% plastic. Body is incredible! Can bargain a BBBJ down to 70,000. FS 90 - 100. She's excellent!

My final and best advice, from loads of experience, requires some Korean skills, but is a game changer.

3) Make a login ID for adal5 or sweetbam. You can search by location of Korea, are of Seoul and type of establishment. There are 1000's of places. I swear you're never more than 15 minutes from a Pussy shop in this country no matter where you are. It's insane.

Many places around Gangnam won't accept foreigners, but outside Gangnam I've never had a problem.

You can choose. Offictel with prices similar to backpage for FS. Not necessarily better. Kiss rooms. 30,000 for 30 minutes to make out and jerk off with hot university chicks.

Basically a happy ending massage for like 80 - 150,000. 1 hour massage + 1 or 2 hand jobs.

A blowjob shop. 15 minutes for 40,000. BBBJ CIM. These places are awesome! Always hot Korean chicks. Usually between 21 - 28. In, blow a load, out! No performance anxiety! My weekly guilty pleasure. Relay = 2 different chicks. 2 BBBJ. 70,000.

Is just like an anma. Girls in my experience hotter. Either only FS or massage and FS. You can choose your venue based on preference of girls. Korean, Thai, Russian, etc. Prices usually 80,000 for 49 minutes and up. I usually opt for 150,000. 40 mmm minute FS + 40 minute massage + 40 minute FS different girl. You can pay extra for anal at some places. 4 places I've been to I've the only foreigner who ever you visited. The girls are always awesome. Thai girls are always excited to meet a non-Korean and speak English. Great times!

[LovinAsia]

Looking for hot ladies for BBFS. Hopefully not overcharged. Thanks!Good luck with that.

[Gatsbyx78]

Thanks for the great tip! I can't seem to find sweetbam. You mind giving the address for it?

As for BBFS, I get it all the time in the states. I would figure it would be easier in Korea.


Organize a boycott to bring prices down? Hahaha why'all are Fucking delusional. In a country where probably 70% of the native male population visit prostitutes you think any one is going to give 2 shits if even the entire foreign population stopped using their services? We make like 1% of their market. Anyway.

If you're using backpage, or another site, and paying more than 100,000 you're fucked. Pun intended! Ripped off! Korea is s still the Mecca of reasonable priced Pussy if you know where to look.

3 options I will advice: 1 & 2 are okay. 3 is the best by far.

1) VIP Anma near Gangnam station. 120,000 one shot. Girls are usually Mongolian, Kazakhstan, Chinese, little older, not so hot, but do a good job.

2) Street perpendicular to hooker hill. Top of hill across from the foreign market. It's called Nymph. I forget the chicks name. Face is 90% plastic. Body is incredible! Can bargain a BBBJ down to 70,000. FS 90 - 100. She's excellent!

[MrTarzan]

Any take on what the casino scene is like for girls? I'd imagine very pricey but are there a lot who hang out there? Most of the casinos are only for foreigners I hear and are in Gangnam?

[KimchiBoy]

Although I've had some dismal services in Seoul, there is an all girl group organised by a lady called Lina, an ex-escort who has formed an all girl group who don't advertise for fear of intimidation from male agencies. She can arrange very attractive girls who give a good service. If you put the words:

I'm a new girl around here.

Into the cracker.com search engine it will take you to her last ad dated Thu. 7 Dec, 14:10 where you can get her email.

I think they are the best possibility for beauty and service. The only good meetings I've had so far. Would give a good recommendation.My experience with the all-girl agency. Lady in and out in 42 minutes, about 6 of which were in the shower, five phone calls, one at the hight of the session which had to be answered and a final incoming call for about a minute with an irate Korean man's voice coming through. Then rushed off. Also reminded after about 28 minutes of the time limits so basically no intention of honoring the full hour. Girl was decent looking though.

[RainMania]

I don't think anyone is talking about boycotting the average Korean hooker.

I, however, have been boycotting the independents that focus on foreign clientele. Korean mongerers are not their base market, we (foreign johns) are.

These girls take advantage of the fact that most foreigners are closed off from the local P4 P scene, so there are (or used to be) tons of desperate and lonely guys out there willing to drop ridiculous amounts for one shot.

99% of Koreans mongerers wouldn't touch these girls with a stick. Why should they pay 300 for one shot when they can simply call up any Officetel and get a 19 year old Kpop lookalike for 150-200?

These days, I blow my functional loads in RLDs. Just like Shim, I save the rest for my monthly / bi-monthly trip to Manila, Angeles, Pattaya or Jakarta. Or better still, flying girls from those countries to me.

[MrTarzan]

I don't think anyone is talking about boycotting the average Korean hooker.

I, however, have been boycotting the independents that focus on foreign clientele. Korean mongerers are not their base market, we (foreign johns) are.

These girls take advantage of the fact that most foreigners are closed off from the local P4 P scene, so there are (or used to be) tons of desperate and lonely guys out there willing to drop ridiculous amounts for one shot.

99% of Koreans mongerers wouldn't touch these girls with a stick. Why should they pay 300 for one shot when they can simply call up any Officetel and get a 19 year old Kpop lookalike for 150-200?

These days, I blow my functional loads in RLDs. Just like Shim, I save the rest for my monthly / bi-monthly trip to Manila, Angeles, Pattaya or Jakarta. Or better still, flying girls from those countries to me.Hear hear, well said, the cracker crowd focus on foreigners.

[Ready81]

It isn't just SE Asia where the prices are better. Japan is not exactly a paradise for foreign mongers and seems to be set up in a lot of similar ways to Korea. However, you can score a minor AV actress for an hour or two for the price of a bait-switch in Korea.

BTW, anybody any ideas what one should be paying for takeout all night with a hill girl? I know it's potentially possible to get freebies from them, but if one wants to cut through all the BS what should one be paying? I feel like they always go down in price, but I want to know what you guys have paid. Girls sometimes ask ridiculous prices.

[ItIsMe83]

What do y'all think of the Olympics and the influence on 'the market' in Seoul and other cities?

[LovinAsia]

Do lip cafes have showers or do they just wipe you down before BBBJ?

@rainmania..which RLDs require you to shower first if any?

[RainMania]

Lip Cafes typically don't have shower facilities if they're in business premises. If they're situated in an apartment, you can ask to use their shower and they usually don't mind.

Cheonho girls require you to shower, as do girls in incheon yellow house. Miari girls don't require you to, but they don't mind if you use their showers, the same goes for suwon and the hill.

All massage joints / officetels / hyugaetels require you to shower.

[RainMania]

It isn't just SE Asia where the prices are better. Japan is not exactly a paradise for foreign mongers and seems to be set up in a lot of similar ways to Korea. However, you can score a minor AV actress for an hour or two for the price of a bait-switch in Korea.

BTW, anybody any ideas what one should be paying for takeout all night with a hill girl? I know it's potentially possible to get freebies from them, but if one wants to cut through all the BS what should one be paying? I feel like they always go down in price, but I want to know what you guys have paid. Girls sometimes ask ridiculous prices.It generally depends on how she feels about you and timing as well. If she's into you, a decent enough price would be 300-400 for the rest of the night, but it would have to be post-3 am when business starts to die down. Most girls won't go with you before then unless you're offering close to 1 mil. It's also better to try during weekdays when there is less foot traffic on the hill.

BYW a Korean club has opened at the top of the hill, so these days tons of younger Koreans venture up that area, especially on weekends.

[RainMania]

What do y'all think of the Olympics and the influence on 'the market' in Seoul and other cities?Practically zero influence, at least for foreigners. Maybe some agencies / independents might try to open up shop there and charge premium fees, but there just won't be enough volume to register an impact.

[LovinAsia]

Lip Cafes typically don't have shower facilities if they're in business premises. If they're situated in an apartment, you can ask to use their shower and they usually don't mind.

Cheonho girls require you to shower, as do girls in incheon yellow house. Miari girls don't require you to, but they don't mind if you use their showers, the same goes for suwon and the hill.

All massage joints / officetels / hyugaetels require you to shower.Ok. I was just curious about lip cafes. Seeing that they give BBBJ, youd think theyd require guys to shower for both parties involved.

[RainMania]

The girls use mouthwash before and after service, as well as wipes on your cock.

[LovinAsia]

The girls use mouthwash before and after service, as well as wipes on your cock.I was hoping for showers. I guess that rules out ball action or rimming haha.

[MrTarzan]

My experience with the all-girl agency. Lady in and out in 42 minutes, about 6 of which were in the shower, five phone calls, one at the hight of the session which had to be answered and a final incoming call for about a minute with an irate Korean man's voice coming through. Then rushed off. Also reminded after about 28 minutes of the time limits so basically no intention of honoring the full hour. Girl was decent looking though.Also had a lousy experience with this group. Amateurish, rushed and not good value at all.

[Muppets]

So call me an idiot, but I've not been able to find out where the famed yellow house in Incheon is located. Here for a few days and its a long way into town and the Hill. Anyone shed any light?

[RainMania]

So call me an idiot, but I've not been able to find out where the famed yellow house in Incheon is located. Here for a few days and its a long way into town and the Hill. Anyone shed any light?Sungui station, exit 4.

Take the first right, you'll see the houses with yellow film on their windows.

Good luck!

[Muppets]

Sungui station, exit 4.

Take the first right, you'll see the houses with yellow film on their windows.

Good luck!Thanks dude, I found an old post with the same directions but was not sure if that was a different are or not. Off to town tomorrow so will try yellow house the day after. Is there daytime action, from say midday?

[RainMania]

Thanks dude, I found an old post with the same directions but was not sure if that was a different are or not. Off to town tomorrow so will try yellow house the day after. Is there daytime action, from say midday?I don't know about midday, but there's early evening to late night action (6-7 pm till 3-4 am).

[Muppets]

So I found the yellow house in Incheon as directed. Arrived about 1830, everything closed and locked, eventually an old angry lady told me to come back at 2030. Too cold for that shit!

[VancouverBoy]

The current price mess in the Korean indie scene was partially caused by girls grouping together and collectively upping their prices out of greed. Therefore your attempts at touting your (or Lina's) agency is useless here.

200-300 k for one shot is an abysmal rate to be paying when there are so many other options available. Even girls in Dubai and Abu Dhabi don't charge that.

Your business model makes no economic sense. I'm an avid monger, I monger at least once or twice a week without fail. Therefore I have zero incentive to pay backpage / cracker rates when I can simply skip mongering for a month and use the saved money to either spend a weekend of debauchery in SE Asia, or bring the debauchery from SE Asia to me.

If I'm feeling particularly horny, I can make my way to hooker hill, miari, cheonho, incheon yellow house and other RLDs where I can blow my load for under 100 k won (70-80 mostly).

Here's a piece of advice. If you and the other girls want the good old days to return, reverse your prices to near what they were during the pre-bubble years. I'm talking 2012-13 when the average rate was 150 k won per hour and 200-250 for 2. If your egos are too big to do that, then maybe it's time to find another career.Well said ma man! Very well said.

[Garthie1]

It isn't just SE Asia where the prices are better. Japan is not exactly a paradise for foreign mongers and seems to be set up in a lot of similar ways to Korea. However, you can score a minor AV actress for an hour or two for the price of a bait-switch in Korea.

BTW, anybody any ideas what one should be paying for takeout all night with a hill girl? I know it's potentially possible to get freebies from them, but if one wants to cut through all the BS what should one be paying? I feel like they always go down in price, but I want to know what you guys have paid. Girls sometimes ask ridiculous prices.Soo-ae works at the Texas club, which is now at the bottom of the hill along the main Street. I asked if she stayed at the army base before and she said "yes, once for $1500". 😂. I laughed and she smiled. However, you can probably get it much cheaper on a slow weeknight. Once I had the chancefor about $200 with a nice looking girl, but declined since I don't care to spend a whole night with any one girl.

[Muppets]

So after turning up yesterday at the yellow house and being told to come back later, around 2030, I went back in the end at 2300, about 50% were closed and of those that were open, none would let me in, so back to my hotel I went rather grumpily. Only saw three other guys around in the 15 or 20 minutes I spent wandering.

[CasualFunSeoul]

So I'll give my advice from all my experiences here in Seoul over a few years.

Hooker hill: This place has died down a lot in recent years, but it still okay when I'm just drunk and need to drop a load or am too lazy to travel to another area of the city. There's really only a couple chicks that aren't gross and nasty. First door on the right near the bottom. One girl's name is Courtney. She's alright and offers a good service. There is one other girl who is a lot sexier and hotter, but I don't know her name. They'll quote you ridiculous prices earlier in the night, but around 2 am or later 80,000 KRW will get you fairly enthusiastic FS. I'm not sure how much to take home. Someone was asking in another post. I didn't ask.

Normally I would recommend a place up the street perpendicular to hooker hill. Top of hill across from the foreign market. Nymph. I don't remember the chick's name. Smoking hot body! Face is 90% plastic, but great service. Again, she'll do FS for around 80-90,000. She's better than the other place, but it has been open the last few times I've been by on Fridays and Saturdays. Nymph maybe closed permanently now. Not sure. Definitely my first choice in Itaewon area.

VIP Massage: Near Gangnam station. Exit 5. Go straight then take a right then another right. In the basement. This place is okay. 120,000 FS with shower. Girls are usually Chinese, Mongolian or from Kazakhstan. Not super hot and slightly older, but I've always had good service here.

Belle was my go to for a while. Near Gangnam station. Not far from VIP. Prices have gone up a bit, but the massage has gotten infinitely better. Actually very good now. Girls are young and usually quite pretty. 150,000 for a HJ + 1 hour massage + a second HJ.

The best advice though requires some Korean skills, but it is by far the best. A complete life-changer! Make a login ID and password for either Adal5 or Sweetbam. Using these sites you can search for venue by area, or by type of place you're looking for. Once you learn to navigate the sites it's fucking crazy how easy it makes finding girls in Korea. There are 1000's of places to choose from! Basically you are never more than 15 minutes from reasonably priced, hot, young pussy anywhere in this country. It's freaking insane. Some places near Gangnam won't accept foreigners, but in my experience (a lot of experience) almost all places outside of Gangnam are pretty accepting, although you'll need to speak some Korean to make the appointment and ask for directions.

Adal5 and sweetbam are amazing though. As I said, you can choose based on area, but also by type of venue. Basically by price. I've been to several Anmas, Lip Cafes, Hyugaetel, and Opi from both sites.

Opi (offictels) are pretty much the same price as backpage. 200-300,000/ hour. Girls are sometimes hotter, but not always, than other venues. The service in my experience not better. For me it wasn't worth the extra money.

Anma's are okay sometimes. Basically massage parlors (similar to Belle) with happy a ending. Usually 80 - 120,000 depending on how many "special services" you want.

Lip Cafes are the shit! Amazing! They're all over the city. 40,000 KRW. 15 minute BBBJ CIM. No stress, no fuss. This is my weekly stress relieving ritual! Girls are all always young, hot and skinny between 21 - 27 years old. I generally go for the relay course (2 different girls in a row. 70,000!) because, why not? Haha.

My favorite are the Hyugaetels. Usually 80,000 for 40 minutes FS. BBBJ. DATY everything included. You can choose the venue based on girls. Thai, Korean, Russian, Etc. The girls in my experience have been hotter and and better attitudes than any of the Opi chicks. I've got 2 Thai places (Apgujang and Kyodae) that I hit up a few times a month. Amazing! Girls are all 22 - 27. Hot as shit! Places are clean. Some offer anal for extra charge. Again I usually opt for the relay course. 150,000 KRW. 40 minutes 1 girl + 40 minutes thai massage + another 40 minutes with a another girl! It's the best deal by far!

Anyway. That's my advice. Adal5 or sweetbam! It'll change your life. Not sure for the better or worse! Haha.

[Optional]

So I'll give my advice from all my experiences here in Seoul over a few years.

Adal5 and sweetbam are amazing though. As I said, you can choose based on area, but also by type of venue. Basically by price. I've been to several Anmas, Lip Cafes, Hyugaetel, and Opi from both sites.

Opi (offictels) are pretty much the same price as backpage. 200-300,000/ hour. Girls are sometimes hotter, but not always, than other venues. The service in my experience not better. For me it wasn't worth the extra money.

Anma's are okay sometimes. Basically massage parlors (similar to Belle) with happy a ending. Usually 80 - 120,000 depending on how many "special services" you want.

Lip Cafes are the shit! Amazing! They're all over the city. 40,000 KRW. 15 minute BBBJ CIM. No stress, no fuss. This is my weekly stress relieving ritual! Girls are all always young, hot and skinny between 21 - 27 years old. I generally go for the relay course (2 different girls in a row. 70,000!) because, why not? Haha.

My favorite are the Hyugaetels. Usually 80,000 for 40 minutes FS. BBBJ. DATY everything included. You can choose the venue based on girls. Thai, Korean, Russian, Etc. The girls in my experience have been hotter and and better attitudes than any of the Opi chicks. I've got 2 Thai places (Apgujang and Kyodae) that I hit up a few times a month. Amazing! Girls are all 22 - 27. Hot as shit! Places are clean. Some offer anal for extra charge. Again I usually opt for the relay course. 150,000 KRW. 40 minutes 1 girl + 40 minutes thai massage + another 40 minutes with a another girl! It's the best deal by far!

Anyway. That's my advice. Adal5 or sweetbam! It'll change your life. Not sure for the better or worse! Haha.I'd love to try something off of adal5 or sweetbam but sadly I can't speak or read Korean at all. If you ever need a partner to go to these hyugaetels or lip cafes, I'd be happy to help pay for your entertainment too!

[LovinAsia]

Lip Cafes are the shit! Amazing! They're all over the city. 40,000 KRW. 15 minute BBBJ CIM. No stress, no fuss. This is my weekly stress relieving ritual! Girls are all always young, hot and skinny between 21 - 27 years old. I generally go for the relay course (2 different girls in a row. 70,000!) because, why not? Haha..Hi. When you do the relay. Is it 2 pops or 1 girl warms you up and the second finishes you off?

[ShimShimHeyo]

Hi. When you do the relay. Is it 2 pops or 1 girl warms you up and the second finishes you off?If you pop on the fluffer it's no big deal at all.

[JakeInSeoul]

I'd love to try something off of adal5 or sweetbam but sadly I can't speak or read Korean at all. If you ever need a partner to go to these hyugaetels or lip cafes, I'd be happy to help pay for your entertainment too!Can you provide me the directions to the Lip Cafes in Seoul? Thanks.

[LovinAsia]

If you pop on the fluffer it's no big deal at all.So its a one shot deal. Either with the fluffer or if time runs out with the first then the second comes in?

I assume 2 girl BJ is not available?

[ShimShimHeyo]

So its a one shot deal. Either with the fluffer or if time runs out with the first then the second comes in?

I assume 2 girl BJ is not available?Oh no. Sorry for the confusion. If you get a relay at a Kissbang, lip cafe, or even a FS anma in Seoul, you get one shot per girl. So if you drop the money for 2 women, you can cum twice total. Even at FISH that uses a fluffer, you can cum with the fluffer and the main provider. I have never been to an establishment that put a one shot limit on a relay. Again, sorry for the vague answer earlier.

As for the two person BJ, no. In general a relay is always one girl at a time. I have been to places in the past where a second girl joins in (wearing a mask) but this is known as an "event. " So when visiting an establishment, "relay" is one girl at a time and an "event" is two girls at the same time.

[VancouverBoy]

So I'll give my advice from all my experiences here in Seoul over a few years.

Hooker hill: This place has died down a lot in recent years, but it still okay when I'm just drunk and need to drop a load or am too lazy to travel to another area of the city. There's really only a couple chicks that aren't gross and nasty. First door on the right near the bottom. One girl's name is Courtney. She's alright and offers a good service. There is one other girl who is a lot sexier and hotter, but I don't know her name. They'll quote you ridiculous prices earlier in the night, but around 2 am or later 80,000 KRW will get you fairly enthusiastic FS. I'm not sure how much to take home. Someone was asking in another post. I didn't ask.

Normally I would recommend a place up the street perpendicular to hooker hill. Top of hill across from the foreign market. Nymph. I don't remember the chick's name. Smoking hot body! Face is 90% plastic, but great service. Again, she'll do FS for around 80-90,000..Hello and Happy New Year!

Can you please guide me through some Lip Cafes, directions (I only speak basic Korean), and I never tried a Lip Café before, and what are the deeds?. Also, the Hyuggetels are you talking (Kyodae & Apgujeong) can you give me the directions? Subway. Exit # etc etc?. You can PM me if you want! Greatly appreciated!

[LovinAsia]

Oh no. Sorry for the confusion. If you get a relay at a Kissbang, lip cafe, or even a FS anma in Seoul, you get one shot per girl. So if you drop the money for 2 women, you can cum twice total. Even at FISH that uses a fluffer, you can cum with the fluffer and the main provider. I have never been to an establishment that put a one shot limit on a relay. Again, sorry for the vague answer earlier.

As for the two person BJ, no. In general a relay is always one girl at a time. I have been to places in the past where a second girl joins in (wearing a mask) but this is known as an "event. " So when visiting an establishment, "relay" is one girl at a time and an "event" is two girls at the same time.Thanks for the info! I'm curious about mainly the relay at a lip cafe. The time is pretty short but at a good value. I think I read the prices are about 70 to 80 for 2 girl relay. 15 min each.

Does the next girl come in the room right after you pop with the first one? Seems kind of rushed unless you have no problem with 2 shots in 20 min imor so.

[ShimShimHeyo]

Thanks for the info! I'm curious about mainly the relay at a lip cafe. The time is pretty short but at a good value. I think I read the prices are about 70 to 80 for 2 girl relay. 15 min each.

Does the next girl come in the room right after you pop with the first one? Seems kind of rushed unless you have no problem with 2 shots in 20 min imor so.Relays are always based on time. So if it's 20 minutes & 20 minutes that's exactly how long you have. It doesn't matter when or if you cum. Brick and mortar establishments here in Seoul are extremely attentive to time limits. Anyone who's been to a fair share will tell you that when that phone rings, it is hell a loud. The good side is getting those girls that will give you a massage or foot rub if you finish early. I even had one girl ask me to put my head on her lap while she picked wax out of my ear while we waited for time to expire.

[Garthie1]

Visiting Korea, stopped by the Hill, first time in 1 year and a half. Saw Bean at Avante Garde. She was trying to hustle me for 150,000, but I was firm at 100,000. Was surprised at how much she was trying to hustle me since I'd been a customer since 2006, but when we got to her room, it was business as usual. No clock-watching, pretty good time, an ATF and freakishly large hips for a Korean girl. She complained about other girls trying to get in on the scene and the fewer clubs open now. A lot of girls trying for threesome action to get paid. Not my scene, but might be interesting with the right girls.

A few nights later, went to Ambrosia where a nice looking Korean girl with nice body and no tits took me to her hotel room down the street beside Hyundai Sauna. Paid 100 K, nice DATY with a shaved kitty, good BBFS, finished and out the door. Nice personality and a good time, I repeated a few days later.

Looked for Kay at Happy Days, but a girl named Sara was working instead. Nice face and body, but had excess skin around her mid-section possibly from excessive weight loss. Couldn't make out where she was from, Russia? Half-Korean, Half-American? She said she was from Hannam and went to school there, so I guessed that was it. Very self-conscious of the flabby skin, but I didn't mind and she was real nice DATY, very enthusiastic. BBFS felt great, the best on the Hill. Finished, got dressed, and ran into Kay going out the door! We chatted over a Jack and Coke and unfortunately wouldn't be able to see her since I left before she worked the next weekend. I did repeat with Sara a few days later and it was similarly nice.

Went to the top of the hill at the Shamrock and Venezuelan girl was working. She's always got those huge hips and ass that are irresistible. I massaged her and put on the condom for FS. She always has stubble on her legs and her cooch is like banging a porcupine. I've visited her a few times over the years, but can't say it's really worth it. Not even sure she's not a TS, but oh well.

The Hill scene has changed drastically since I last visited in April 2016. Eve, Debut Bar, Texas Club were all boarded up and closed. Cheers was holding out, but only one fat girl worked there when I walked in, compared to previously when 2-3 relatively hot barracudas worked there and were ready to part you from your money. VIP across the street had 3-4 girls working, including my old ATF. The girls were pretty nice looking, but too crowded with too many girls (and johns), a small cubicle separating the action, and too pricey. I declined and went on my way. No change to Ambrosia or Moonshine, or those up the Hill at Avante Garde, Happy Days, or across at Lara's. Quite a few more Koreans at the top of the Hill with the club there and strangely a Yakult yogurt office now at what once was Polly's.

On the main strip perpendicular from the Hill, most shops were not open. I waited until midnight one night and probably only half of the places were open. Eventually, I was able to go into the Texas Bar (formerly Evergreen) and talked to Soo-Ae. Across the street at Tiffany, Candy was working. Up the hill at Pandora, someone was working in the early morning on one night, but I was never able to see who it was. Nymph was never open on the 4-5 trips I took to the Hill. At Candy bar, a girl was working that previously worked at Shamrock, Texas, and other bars. The other girl at Candy's wasn't that attractive and I had never seen before. One girl worked at Apple, but she didn't appeal to me, so I didn't hang around.

All in all, a lot of changes to the Hill scene, but still some good action to be had. Was kind of disappointed at the slow scene, but maybe just the holidays, cold weather, etc.

P.S.- someone wrote about possibly getting "freebies" from Hill girls. That'll never happen. These girls work for their money, they even call themselves 'working girls' and don't give a damn how good looking or 'special' you are. IDK, I could be wrong. I've been going there for over 18 years now and only once had a girl give my friend, a real good-looking dude, a BJ on the house.

[CasualFunSeoul]

Hi. When you do the relay. Is it 2 pops or 1 girl warms you up and the second finishes you off?2 girls. 2 pops. 1 each.

[CasualFunSeoul]

Thanks for the info! I'm curious about mainly the relay at a lip cafe. The time is pretty short but at a good value. I think I read the prices are about 70 to 80 for 2 girl relay. 15 min each.

Does the next girl come in the room right after you pop with the first one? Seems kind of rushed unless you have no problem with 2 shots in 20 min imor so.You usually get a short break in between. Pop with first girl. Wait 15 minutes. Next girl comes in.

[Gatsbyx78]

Thanks for the in-depth. It will be my 1st time to Korea coming up. I am looking a squirter or extremely wet pussy if you could recommend some. Based on your info, I will try to find Hyugaetels.

I have had my fair share of escort in the USA but I would think fresher younger newbie in Korea would be even more amazing. Only problem is where and how. Thanks for any knowledge that you can grant me!!


So I'll give my advice from all my experiences here in Seoul over a few years.

Hooker hill: This place has died down a lot in recent years, but it still okay when I'm just drunk and need to drop a load or am too lazy to travel to another area of the city. There's really only a couple chicks that aren't gross and nasty. First door on the right near the bottom. One girl's name is Courtney. She's alright and offers a good service. There is one other girl who is a lot sexier and hotter, but I don't know her name. They'll quote you ridiculous prices earlier in the night, but around 2 am or later 80,000 KRW will get you fairly enthusiastic FS. I'm not sure how much to take home. Someone was asking in another post. I didn't ask.

Normally I would recommend a place up the street perpendicular to hooker hill. Top of hill across from the foreign market. Nymph. I don't remember the chick's name. Smoking hot body! Face is 90% plastic, but great service. Again, she'll do FS for around 80-90,000. She's better than the other place, but it has been open the last few times I've been by on Fridays and Saturdays. Nymph maybe closed permanently now. Not sure. Definitely my first choice in Itaewon area..

[Gatsbyx78]

I had managed to create an account on Adal5 but I am unable to locate Apgujang and Kyodae. Are these near Seoul?

Thanks.




My favorite are the Hyugaetels. Usually 80,000 for 40 minutes FS. BBBJ. DATY everything included. You can choose the venue based on girls. Thai, Korean, Russian, Etc. The girls in my experience have been hotter and and better attitudes than any of the Opi chicks. I've got 2 Thai places (Apgujang and Kyodae) that I hit up a few times a month. Amazing! Girls are all 22 - 27. Hot as shit! Places are clean. Some offer anal for extra charge. Again I usually opt for the relay course. 150,000 KRW. 40 minutes 1 girl + 40 minutes thai massage + another 40 minutes with a another girl! It's the best deal by far!

Anyway. That's my advice. Adal5 or sweetbam! It'll change your life. Not sure for the better or worse! Haha.

[Gatsbyx78]

What does +2 or +3 next to a name stand for on those advertisement on Adal5?

[VancouverBoy]

I had managed to create an account on Adal5 but I am unable to locate Apgujang and Kyodae. Are these near Seoul?

Thanks.Don't bother to ask him, he's not willing to share any of this information! Apgujeong is a station located on Line #3, and Kyodae it's Seoul National Education Uni. Bla bla. On Line #2 !

[Worker41]

I am travelling to Seoul for my first time next week. I have been trying to do some research but it is difficult.

I am staying here:

https://www.google.com/maps/place/172-81+Samseong-dong,+Gangnam-gu,+Seoul,+South+Korea / at 37.5082898,127.0599174,18 z / data=!3 m1!4 b1!4 m5!3 m4!1 s0 x357 ca41553 b9 c82 f:0 x8 b472934 cc7607 c1!8 m2!3 d37.5082876!4 d127.0610438.

I am hoping that someone can recommend some erotic massage places within walking distance from here.

Also, how much should I expect to pay for massage with happy ending?

Do I pay everything to a mama-san or do I pay the girl?

Thank you very much for your help.

[Member #4518]

I'll be stopping by Seoul in February for a couple days and had a few questions that I was hoping the more experienced here would be able to answer.

First off I'm Korean and can speak Korean fluently, I grew up in the states. I hope this makes some things easier for me.

I'm interested in particular in the Full Salons / Room Salons. However, is it OK to go on my own or will that be weird / awkward? Also if I do go, I'd want to go to one where the 2 cha is very likely to happen. Any recs would be greatly appreciated. I'd potentially be interested in Delivery / officetel incalls as well. But don't know where or how to find them. Basically, I'm interested in 18-25, very attractive girls, and I don't mind paying a "premium" over places like hooker hill to go to a nicer / more high end place.

If anyone can give me some advice, that would be awesome!

[Clefairy]

Hi,

I will be spending a weekend in Seoul next month.

I have already planed a visit to hooker hill but the one thing I'm the most interested in is Kiss bangs.

I am familiar with it (been there years ago) but it is very difficult to find information online about where such venues are located.

Also, they may not all accept foreigners.

If a member knows any good recommendation for kiss bangs, can you please share it.

Also where would you recommend I get an hotel (close to kiss bangs and lip cafes venues) ?

Thanks a lot.

[HurHurRahRah]

Hi,

I will be spending a weekend in Seoul next month.

I have already planed a visit to hooker hill but the one thing I'm the most interested in is Kiss bangs.

I am familiar with it (been there years ago) but it is very difficult to find information online about where such venues are located.

Also, they may not all accept foreigners.

If a member knows any good recommendation for kiss bangs, can you please share it.

Also where would you recommend I get an hotel (close to kiss bangs and lip cafes venues) ?

Thanks a lot.Found the following link online https://goo.gl/DbJdJL.

You probably can cross check with Google Maps to see if the shops still there (just go to Street View and try to look for big K signs for kissbang).

Places that I have read positive reviews are K+ and the Hongdae one.

Hotel, just get ones that are near train lines.

[NewHash]

I'll be stopping by Seoul in February for a couple days and had a few questions that I was hoping the more experienced here would be able to answer.

First off I'm Korean and can speak Korean fluently, although I'm a gyopo and grew up in the states. I hope this makes some things easier for me.

I'm interested in particular in the Full Salons / Room Salons. However, is it OK to go on my own or will that be weird / awkward? Also if I do go, I'd want to go to one where the 2 cha is very likely to happen. Any recs would be greatly appreciated. I'd potentially be interested in Delivery / officetel incalls as well. But don't know where or how to find them. Basically, I'm interested in young (18-25), very attractive girls, and I don't mind paying a "premium" over places like hooker hill to go to a nicer / more high end place.

If anyone can give me some advice, that would be awesome!Fellow Gyopo here, I'll be in Seoul around the same time. If you feel awkward going alone I'd be down to join you. PM if interested.

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[Nother Monger]

What does +2 or +3 next to a name stand for on those advertisement on Adal5?No offense, but this was covered in some previous posts. Basically, there is a base rate (usually 130 k KRW) and the +2/+3 indicates how much more, on top of the base rate, the charge is. Ex: if a girl has +2, and the base rate is 130 k, then you would pay 150 k KRW.

D+ value does not indicate how good the service is, or how pretty the girl will be. They individually set the rate. I've seen +7 girls that were just OK and +3 girls that were awesome.

Also, if you don't speak Korean, and more importantly are a foreigner, you will have a hard time (if not impossible time) booking an appointment. Some girls and bookers straight up refuse to book non-Koreans. Even as a gyopo you can occasionally get turned away.

[Guitarrefreak]

Can anyone comment how Cheongnyangni is doing these days? The last time I went there was many years ago and I heard about government crackdowns, shame though, they had such pretty girls.

Most forum bros seem to be talking about kiss bang and lip cafes these days, which I kind of have reservations going into since I don't speak the language, so just wondering how Cheongnyangni is doing.

[AlphaPunk2]

Can anyone comment how Cheongnyangni is doing these days? The last time I went there was many years ago and I heard about government crackdowns, shame though, they had such pretty girls.

Most forum bros seem to be talking about kiss bang and lip cafes these days, which I kind of have reservations going into since I don't speak the language, so just wondering how Cheongnyangni is doing.It's all closed. I went there in April 2017 and it's all been torn down and being prepared for redevelopment.

[RedWolf]

From Eonju station take Bongeunsa-ro up the hill just past the Burger King. Less than a block away, you can see a sign for Rainbow Massage on between the 3rd and 4th floors. Walk through the car drive through. You will see a passage leading to the elevator and a sign with Pandora.

I had someone approach me after I got close. He took me up the elevator to the 3rd floor. 280 k was the price, 300 k for credit card. I was shown my own room change and wait. One of the guys came back and took me back on the elevator to another floor, led me to the room, and knocked. The girl was probably in her late 20's, attractive. The cleaning up table shower process was lengthy and included the mandatory teeth brushing, even though there was no kissing. She performed a nuru body slide briefly while on the table and also provided a short cat bath.

After all that, we finally adjoured to the room for full service including BBBJ.

I took one for the team here because I hadn't read anything about Rainbow Massage. It was a solid experience and foreigner friendly, but overpriced in my opinion. I would go back here only after exhausting other good options.

[RedWolf]

Directly across from Jinju massage is a place called Loren. I saw a couple of 9's and 10's walk in the door and made a point to check it out.

When I entered, I saw a couple of the ladies dressed in cocktail dresses. I was quickly told that it is a place for Japanese men only. It would be interesting to check out further. If I had to guess, I would say that it probably a place to pick a woman or two in order to take to your Norebang for some singing and private fun.

[Garthie1]

Can anyone comment how Cheongnyangni is doing these days? The last time I went there was many years ago and I heard about government crackdowns, shame though, they had such pretty girls.

Most forum bros seem to be talking about kiss bang and lip cafes these days, which I kind of have reservations going into since I don't speak the language, so just wondering how Cheongnyangni is doing.I'll do one better since I walked through a few weeks ago for shits and giggles. All boarded up, shops are no longer open. Nothing left of the place. SHame since it was a decent place to go during the daytime for datytime.

[Dmhmak]

Hey guys,

Was wondering if anybody might be able to help me out.

I'm looking to go to a Lip cafe, preferably in / near Changdong, but I'm willing to travel out. Theres tons listed on adal, but my Korean is limited and I don't have a phone number. Would anyone be able to give me directions to one for walk in? Do lip cafes take walk in?

[Mojoman74]

Hey guys,

Was wondering if anybody might be able to help me out.

I'm looking to go to a Lip cafe, preferably in / near Changdong, but I'm willing to travel out. Theres tons listed on adal, but my Korean is limited and I don't have a phone number. Would anyone be able to give me directions to one for walk in? Do lip cafes take walk in?When I lived in Korea for six months in 2013 I was able to find a lip cafe in Hongdae by searching the web (I can read and understand basic Korean, so that helps). This place accepted walk ins, but sometimes I had to wait 20-30 min.

[Niteluvr]

Visiting Korea, stopped by the Hill, first time in 1 year and a half. Saw Bean at Avante Garde. She was trying to hustle me for 150,000, but I was firm at 100,000. Was surprised at how much she was trying to hustle me since I'd been a customer since 2006, but when we got to her room, it was business as usual. No clock-watching, pretty good time, an ATF and freakishly large hips for a Korean girl. She complained about other girls trying to get in on the scene and the fewer clubs open now. A lot of girls trying for threesome action to get paid. Not my scene, but might be interesting with the right girls.

A few nights later, went to Ambrosia where a nice looking Korean girl with nice body and no tits took me to her hotel room down the street beside Hyundai Sauna. Paid 100 K, nice DATY with a shaved kitty, good BBFS, finished and out the door. Nice personality and a good time, I repeated a few days later.

Looked for Kay at Happy Days, but a girl named Sara was working instead. Nice face and body, but had excess skin around her mid-section possibly from excessive weight loss. Couldn't make out where she was from, Russia? Half-Korean, Half-American? She said she was from Hannam and went to school there, so I guessed that was it. Very self-conscious of the flabby skin, but I didn't mind and she was real nice DATY, very enthusiastic. BBFS felt great, the best on the Hill. Finished, got dressed, and ran into Kay going out the door! We chatted over a Jack and Coke and unfortunately wouldn't be able to see her since I left before she worked the next weekend. I did repeat with Sara a few days later and it was similarly nice.

Went to the top of the hill at the Shamrock and Venezuelan girl was working. She's always got those huge hips and ass that are irresistible. I massaged her and put on the condom for FS. She always has stubble on her legs and her cooch is like banging a porcupine. I've visited her a few times over the years, but can't say it's really worth it. Not even sure she's not a TS, but oh well.

The Hill scene has changed drastically since I last visited in April 2016. Eve, Debut Bar, Texas Club were all boarded up and closed. Cheers was holding out, but only one fat girl worked there when I walked in, compared to previously when 2-3 relatively hot barracudas worked there and were ready to part you from your money. VIP across the street had 3-4 girls working, including my old ATF. The girls were pretty nice looking, but too crowded with too many girls (and johns), a small cubicle separating the action, and too pricey. I declined and went on my way. No change to Ambrosia or Moonshine, or those up the Hill at Avante Garde, Happy Days, or across at Lara's. Quite a few more Koreans at the top of the Hill with the club there and strangely a Yakult yogurt office now at what once was Polly's.

On the main strip perpendicular from the Hill, most shops were not open. I waited until midnight one night and probably only half of the places were open. Eventually, I was able to go into the Texas Bar (formerly Evergreen) and talked to Soo-Ae. Across the street at Tiffany, Candy was working. Up the hill at Pandora, someone was working in the early morning on one night, but I was never able to see who it was. Nymph was never open on the 4-5 trips I took to the Hill. At Candy bar, a girl was working that previously worked at Shamrock, Texas, and other bars. The other girl at Candy's wasn't that attractive and I had never seen before. One girl worked at Apple, but she didn't appeal to me, so I didn't hang around.

All in all, a lot of changes to the Hill scene, but still some good action to be had. Was kind of disappointed at the slow scene, but maybe just the holidays, cold weather, etc.

P.S.- someone wrote about possibly getting "freebies" from Hill girls. That'll never happen. These girls work for their money, they even call themselves 'working girls' and don't give a damn how good looking or 'special' you are. IDK, I could be wrong. I've been going there for over 18 years now and only once had a girl give my friend, a real good-looking dude, a BJ on the house.Great, informative post. Makes me reminisce about the old days when throngs of "business girls" crowded the Hill area, $10 for a short time. Guess the best Asian countries now are the Philippines and Thailand.

[JohnEastBay]

Hello,

Will be in Seoul in 4 weeks for a couple of day. This is my first time there. I am staying ibis Ambassador Seoul Myeongdong. Is there any massage places that offer extras in a walking distance? From recent reports, I read about some place near City Hall. Is it still available? Would appreciate any other recommendations.

Thank you.

John.

[Charlie01]

I have a flight at around 8:30 AM at Incheon airport and I will be in airport around 11 PM the day before. I just wanted to know if there are any RLD to check out nearby to Incheon airport (once I drop of my luggage in a counter in airport), And also are there any good lip cafes, barber shops or anmas nearby to airport where I can cut some time off?