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AsiaTraveler2
03-31-03, 14:24
Originally posted by dlite_me
nice post loafer.....my turn now
also came back from my lone trip to BKK.....but I got burned twice
next bomb....."Emmanuelle"...now since this was my first soapy experience...I was sort....of dazed...like a deer stuck in the middle of the road staring at headlights....
I guess the dude there saw this...and I was quickly shown the "Model" section....he told me 2900 baht for 1.5 hours. I thought it was a little expensive..compared to Hi-class/Nataree (which I checked out first)..but the girl they reommended was really cute...so against my better judgemnet...I thought I'd splurge. I thought the higher cost would mean better bang (boy was I wrong)But she was really pretty..say 5'7...light skin...slim body..c-cup..small ass
If Any of the more experience people could enlighten me on what I did wrong or what I should do next time??
dlite_me;
I wouldn't say you did anything wrong, since most of the time the service at Emmanuel or the other major soapies is very good. The girls are human as well, and I'm sure there are some days they wish they were somewhere else, and reflect that in their performance. In the future, though, I would recommend taking more time choosing the girl. Watching the fish bowl, the girls must maintain a professional and somewhat stoic expression. Watch them for a while, though, and you will notice that most will give some indication of personality. Whether it's a smile, laugh, talking to the girl next to her, etc. There's no harm in making eye contact as well, and exchanging a smile or a small wave. See if the girl gives a nice smile or positive response in return. You also might want to visit the sideline model section. You can have a drink and talk to some of the girls, and get one that clicks with you. Your experience does highlight the fact that there is very little correlation with looks and performance in the sack. Price wise, I think the 2,900 baht is the going rate for "model" level girls. 2,400 baht for the fish bowl. I've seen rates as high as 4,000 baht for "model" level girls, but I heard that the rates dropped a bit, since BKK is slow right now. As good as places like BKK are, there's still a chance you might get a dud periodically. I also don't put much stock in the "recommendations" of the papasans. I just don't believe they would know much about the girls. They would need to serviced by the girl to know .. and my guess is that they are basing the recommendation purely on looks. Good luck!
AT2
The Traveler
04-01-03, 12:39
Loafer :
Could you please provide name and/or number of your girl from Long Gun. Will be in BKK from 4/4 - 4/6 and need a good ride.
Thx
Well Guys,
SARS and Thailand seems to be heating up over the last several days. The US CDC has added Bangkok to its list of trouble spots. The Thai Government has ordered all Thais coming back to Thailand from trouble spots to stay in their homes for 14 days. Here is a quote from today’s Bangkok Post
"All travelers returning from Hong Kong, China, Vietnam, Singapore and Taiwan must stay home for at least 14 days or face legal action, the Public Health Ministry announced yesterday."
They seem to mean business on this one because if you fail to do so they have the following in place "Violators are liable to a prison term of up to six months and a fine of not exceeding 10,000 baht."
Also, the Thai government has stopped an advertising program in Asia to bring Travelers into the country. China has been a major source of tourism for Thailand.
Between the war and the SARS fu tourism should be down 15 to 30 percent. This should bring the prices down and many deals should be available if you want to travel now.
With less than two weeks until I'm back in Thailand I can't wait. Songkran should be interesting this year, last week the Thai government banned the sale and of all pump up water guns. Anyone who is caught with none is subject to a large fine I believe 5000 baht is the amount.
No water guns what is next they seem to want to stop all the fun in Thailand.
Sexreview
songkran WAS water splashes. now it's drenching according to what I was told. Ive read reports of buckets of wtaer being thrown. Of course, IF _I _ got soaked, I couldn't tell the difference since I sweat so much the shirt is soaked all the time. I need to carry a towel. sort of forgot what makes SE asia so nice as a weight loss location - you sweat it off
the SARS stuff isn't that much of an issue with the US as it is with Thailand. If folks start dropping like flies, the tourist season will also drop like a dead bug. These folks can not afford to have that happen - better to restrict Chinese tourism for ST than to lose it all in LT (just my opinion, of course)
curious queston - I bought "real" viagra in pfizer package with seal on box. any chance it was fake? oh, price was 450B for 1, split 4 ways, effect was seemingly temporary (like 10 minutes up 30 minutes after taking; no raging hard for 1 hour - but then again, I'm not youngster. those guys who talk about endless sessions probably don't NEED it to begin with <grin, scowl>)
Dick Johnson
04-02-03, 09:34
Thai government tells the public from now on Songkran's emphasis is to pay respect to Buddha. Not all that water splashing. Waterguns are outlawed as a previous poster just said.
Furthermore, the government are telling all women to dress conservatively! Crap crap crap.
-DJ
Songkran,
I wanted to post on the watergunban, but thought: what the heck...
Now it's come up, so:
Motorcyclist were severely hit in recent years, riding past a group of watergunners, blinded by very forceful jets of water, coliding with cars, trees, falling. Many died.
It just wasn't fun anymore.
The BKKPost has done its very best to put emphasis on the fact that the waterthrowing was 'done in good spirit', but in doing so indicated more the opposite. There wasn't a hint of Buddhist believe left in Songkran, it was reduced to days of walking around wet.
The gov stopped very loud fireworks at LoiKratong, NewYear and ChineseNewYear. I for one found both NewYear celebrations to be far more enjoyable than in previous years.
Perhaps Songkran too, will be fun again.
Too bad about the dresscode though. Not much beats a free wet T-shirt competition down the road:)
The_Traveler:
Her name is something like "Bell". That's at least how I understood it. And the girls in Long Gun may have numbers, but they didn't display them when I was there.
Today in The Bangkok Post the Thai Government reported that all visitors to Thailand returning from Hong Kong, China, Vietnam, Singapore and Taiwan must wear safety mask for 14 days when in public for face legal action. The same 10,000 baht fine and or 6 months in jail that was issued yesterday for residents if they don't stay in there homes for 14 days after returning from these places.
They also changed the hotel numbers from down 10-15 percent to down 20 - 30 percent. The war is not the big problem for Thailand now SARS Fu is what they believe will cost them the most tourist this year. With business being down everything is becoming a better deal.
So does this mean I will cancel my upcoming trip? No, I want to go even more because I don't see SARS Fu as a problem if you are heathy when you head to Thailand. The one change that I am making is to fly through Tokyo and not Hong Kong as booked now on my tickets. That way I am not flagged at the airport as coming from a problem spot. And the airline is letting me change the ticket and leave a day early for about $30 dollars, what a great deal.
Sexreview,
I wish you luck and good hunting. However, if I were contemplating going in the near future I would probably back off and wait. I would want to see how the pandemic develops. It could get a lot worse and perhaps have serious conseqences for your travel plans as well as other perhaps unforseen consequences as well. By the way, will you be wearing a surgical mask on the plane? Airplane cabins are little more than hotels for recirculated germs. Myself, I would be most concerned about the airplane cabin.
I'm planning a trip to Thailand in about 10 days. I'm flying on China Airlines and I change planes in Taiwan. Am I going to have a problem when I arrive at the Bangkok airport? My plan is to take a cab directly to Pattaya from BKK. I am going to be free to do this?
Any info would be appreciated.
Toosh,
Since I’m on a nonstop flight from the east coast to Tokyo, I don’t think I will need a mask for that part of the flight. As of right now no cases have been reported in Japan. I will wear a mask in the Tokyo airport and maybe on the flight to Bangkok. I plan on putting a mask on before getting off the plane in Bangkok, if for no other reason than to look extra careful for the Thais at the airport. I think that because I am coming from a non SARS country and the mask will get my entry approved faster. I not really worried about getting SARS because I’m in good health and no Americans have really had a problem with it yet. One US doctor did and died but he had been in Asia for several months. Also he had close contact with many people who had SARS. The best mask are said to be the 3M Model 95 and they cost less than $2.00 dollars. The main thing is I don’t want to get flagged at the airport.
ljohnson,
China is a main source of SARS right now so China Air is a red flag when you hit Bangkok. Also Taiwan is one of the problem countries, so your flight will be looked at when you get to Bangkok. I have talked to friends in Thailand and things are changing everyday, so this information is based on the best intel that I have as of right now. Sometimes what the Thai say in print is not what they really do. But if you believe The Nation and The Bangkok Post this is the case. You will be required to wear a mask for the first 14 days of your trip. Now I don’t really see how they can enforce this requirement but they say the fine for not doing so is up to 10,000 baht and or up to 6 months in jail. The government has also said they will hold anyone who they believe has SARS in quarantine for up to 24 hours. But here again I don’t see this happening. The government has set up a quarantine ward near the airport, it holds 10 people, and they have a back up ward at the air force base they holds 60 more people. That is only 70 people so with hundreds of travelers coming into the airport most can not be held. Also even if you did pick it up they say it takes several days so you would not have any signs when you hit the airport. I would bring a couple mask with you and use them in the airports. I think that the steps the government is taking are more for PR than anything else. Thailand needs to keep the tourist coming so they should not stop you unless they see a real problem.
Hope the information helps.
Sexreview
The Traveler
04-03-03, 13:08
loafer :
Thx for the info, gonna check her out if she really looks as hot as you said.
The Traveler
04-03-03, 13:13
Regarding SARS
haven't seen anybody with a mask so far but the number of tourists dropped dramatically. Less europeans and americans due to iraq war and much less chinese, taiwanese and hongkong due to SARS. It's like paradise, thousands of girls (but only a few good looking though) and just a few foreigners.
Every kind of business got less customers, malls are quite empty, bars, gogos and discos crowded with girls but almost no customers around.
Come and have fun.
Dick Johnson
04-03-03, 14:00
What I would hate is to be quarantined for 2 weeks during my vacation. My original trip stops over in HK but I postponed it. If one guys starts coughing or have a flu on the airplane or in the hotel doesn't it f*ck everyone up? In Singapore many schools closed down temporarily just to prevent spreading of the disease. In Hong Kong they quarantined whole buildings. There may only be a few cases in Thailand right now but who knows what will happen two weeks from now. Also some Governments downplays or postpone reporting SARS cases.
I had a miserable flu last yr that the doctors at Bumrangrad could not figure out. They thought it was Denge fever etc etc and finally said it's a flu. I was sick for almost 2 weeks. That's one of the worst things during a trip, basically flushing money and vacation time down the toilet. If it happened this year they'll think I have sars when I don't.
Sexreview,
Thanks for the info. When are your flights to Bangkok? Perhaps you or anybody else for that matter can give the rest of us a situation report with respect to airlines travel and SARS. That may prove to be very valuable to other punters contemplating a trip to the LOS in the near future.
In my last post I said I would be concerned about possible unexpected things happening as a result of SARS. One possibility that has crossed my mind is what would happen if a TG or two in the “entertainment” areas were to come down with SARS? After all, they see a lot of different people from a lot of different areas of the world. The contact is close and intimate. There is a real possibility (from their point of view) of contracting SARS. If that were to happen would the authorities there then shut down places like Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Walking Street, Patong? I mean shut down the whole industry or at least a very large part of it.
I submit this as something for potential punters going to the LOS to consider. I certainly don’t think what I just speculated is a foregone conclusion by any means. However, these are uncertain times with respect to SARS so it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I have seen it stated here (as a positive) that SARS and the war have had the effect of reducing TG prices. SARS could also have hugely negative consequences for the individual punter as well and in ways we/he cannot see just yet.
Dick Johnson
04-03-03, 19:13
BANGKOK: Thailand tightened restrictions yesterday on travellers arriving from areas affected by a deadly pneumonia outbreak, warning it would deny entry to foreigners exhibiting symptoms and order others to wear face masks.
The ministry also reiterated a Tuesday order that Thais returning from five countries and territories heavily affected by Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) stay home for 14 days.
Both foreigners and Thais face six months in jail or a 10,000 baht (RM889) fine if they disobey the ministry directives.
“Foreigners coming from five affected areas will have their health thoroughly checked when entering the country, and if suspected of carrying SARS will be denied entry,” health minister Sudarat Keyuraphan told reporters.
“Those without symptoms who are allowed to enter must wear masks at all times.”
The five areas are Hong Kong, mainland China, Vietnam, Singapore and Taiwan.
Sudarat said her ministry was consulting closely with the ministry of foreign affairs on the possibility of banning entry to people travelling from these countries and territories.
“The public health ministry does not want to see people from these five at-risk areas coming into Thailand,” she said.
Arrivals from these affected areas made up 23% of the kingdom's total tourist arrivals for 2002, meaning such a crackdown could have a devastating impact on the kingdom's multi-billion-dollar tourism industry.
Two people have died of SARS in Thailand but there is no evidence yet of transmission here, according to the ministry. One suspect case is being monitored.
The ministry's deputy permanent secretary Thawat Suntrajarn threatened to quarantine planes completely if multiple passengers exhibited SARS symptoms.
“If there are many sick people on a flight public health officials will not allow it to dock at airport bays. They will send medical staff onboard and quarantine all of the passengers,” he said.
A quarantine area has been assigned at an air force compound adjacent to the international airport here to which they would immediately be sent. – AFP
On several european broadcastings one can now see large numbers of people arriving Don Muang wearing masks; and they are beeing met by mask-wearing thai nurses taking their temperature and so on...
I myself, a heavy smoker - with an accordant cough - am now starting to fear that I have to let my ticket for april 8 go down the drain. I am not afraid of the disease, and I am not afraid of 2 weeks quarantene: I just cannot (as a university lecturer) risk beeing held back - in LOS or my home country - not being able to return to my students ultimo april for the final lectures before their exam time early may.
Fuck it... :(
PS There is a notice in The Nations web edition saying people in the Singapore mass transportation system (subway?)are panicking everytime somebody coughs ... Will it spred to the BTS?
AsiaTraveler2
04-03-03, 22:11
Originally posted by Toosh
In my last post I said I would be concerned about possible unexpected things happening as a result of SARS. One possibility that has crossed my mind is what would happen if a TG or two in the “entertainment” areas were to come down with SARS? After all, they see a lot of different people from a lot of different areas of the world. The contact is close and intimate. There is a real possibility (from their point of view) of contracting SARS. If that were to happen would the authorities there then shut down places like Nana, Soi Cowboy, Patpong, Walking Street, Patong? I mean shut down the whole industry or at least a very large part of it.
I submit this as something for potential punters going to the LOS to consider. I certainly don’t think what I just speculated is a foregone conclusion by any means. However, these are uncertain times with respect to SARS so it is certainly not out of the realm of possibility. I have seen it stated here (as a positive) that SARS and the war have had the effect of reducing TG prices. SARS could also have hugely negative consequences for the individual punter as well and in ways we/he cannot see just yet.
Toosh;
You are on the money with your observation. My initial impression is that most of the posters on all the Asian boards are just not taking this thing seriously enough. There's so many unknowns right now, will the authority's over react or under react to such a potentially dangerous thing like SSAR's. Do you really want to risk getting it or for that matter getting stuck in quarantine? Could things be shut down for a while, until this thing runs it's course? Too many unknowns right now. In China, the numbers are pretty dramatic, in terms of the spread rate. Just my 2 cents.
AT2
Philo -- are you saying you're worried that your home country will quarantine you on return? You're coming from Europe, if I recall correctly, so you're most likely not going through any of the primary countries, which means you're not going to have any trouble entering LOS, and it isn't really a hot spot at this point.
I found an editorial in Thailand's The Nation interesting -- it pointed out that 40 thousand people die from the regular version flu every year, for which an effective cure also doesn't exist, and that most of the people who have died from SARS are health professionals who've been in close contact with the original victims.
While the disease is obviously alarming, sixty people dying worldwide since late November is far less than the number who died on the roads of Thailand during that period. There are also some first reports about treatments that are appearing to be effective, which is nice to see.
Intriguing note -- a French warship that was scheduled to make an R&R stop in Pattaya has been turned away because it was en route from Singapore. Gotta keep the ladies (and thereby us punters) safe, as you don't want to really affect tourism...
This isn't an issue of not taking things seriously, but of trying to put it in some perspective -- there are a lot more people who have died from Ebola, for example, and while that's also a highly worrisome and contagious disease, and something that caused very similar reactions when it first appeared, it's also clear now that it's not simply running willy-nilly through the population. SARS is fairly unknown in all regards at this point, which is more the reason for all the panic than its actual effects.
joe_zop, my point is not that travelling to LOS is dangerous.... I guess the chance of being shot is bigger than dying from SARS. My point is:
1) Will the girls avoid a (seemingly unsound) coughing guy?
2) How will the other hotel guests react? (as you know, there was a certain hotel beeing crucial in the first spreading of the disease)
3) If you check WHO's pages, the experts say that you cannot predict the situation one weak ahead. And farangtown Toronto (although North America, not Europe) is one of the infected areas. I do not think you have to be too morbid to imagine that you could leave home april 8 and be contained in LOS or stopped on your own border april 24........
JMHO
(and just in case some 'smart' ass- not you j_z, you are clever - tells me Toronto is in Canada; in Europe America and USA are different things......)
And one more thing please joe_zop....
If you read my post again you will see that the only thing that worries me a bit is that I cannot - in any way - risk not being back at work at the scheduled time. If I fear that - rationally or not - I shall have to wait till after may 10 to go there .....
Originally posted by Toosh
Sexreview,
Thanks for the info. When are your flights to Bangkok? Perhaps you or anybody else for that matter can give the rest of us a situation report with respect to airlines travel and SARS. That may prove to be very valuable to other punters contemplating a trip to the LOS in the near future.
Well, change my tickets today, so I fly through Tokyo and not Hong Kong. I leave in about a week for Thailand. I will post the information about the airport and what they do when you land once in Thailand if no one else does so first.
Regarding the SARS, British Airways has decided to overnight its crews in Bangkok rather than in Hong Kong to reduce the risks facing its staff, which is one more indication that the Land of Sex is still considered as a safe haven free from SARS.
There have been just a handful of cases in LOS, and just 2 deaths (both of them were infected out of LOS), so at the moment it doesn't seem as if this virus should stop anyone from visiting the Kingdom of Pussies.
So far 96.5% of SARS victims have recovered, i.e. the mortality rate seems to be 3.5%. This rate is considered high for a new and unknown desease, but it is still a low probability
If you combine this low probability with the (even much lower) probability of being infected in LOS, the result is that the probability of dying is very remote indeed. In contrast, you have a 100% chance of having many pleasurable sex experiences with plenty of different chicks -unless you belong to the Najene school, in which case you'd enjoy only 1 chick.
FYI: I just saw it reported on one of the American cable news networks that surgical masks are ineffective against SARS. Does anybody have any information to confirm or deny this? If it is true it makes the new Thai regulations look futile in that regard.
Originally posted by Toosh
FYI: I just saw it reported on one of the American cable news networks that surgical masks are ineffective against SARS. Does anybody have any information to confirm or deny this? If it is true it makes the new Thai regulations look futile in that regard.
I saw the same report so it comes down to who do you want to believe? The W.H.O. part of the UN and the CDC both say that masks do work and should be worn when in contact with people who have SARS. Many different types of masks are offered, the better ones being masks like the 3M model 95. Also if masks don't work why are the health care workers using them?
The CDC continues to recommend wearing surgical masks for patients with SARS, mostly because the major means of transmission appears to be via droplets such as come from sneezing. While not all masks are of sufficient quality to filter viruses, even the cheap ones should stop most droplets from sneezes. Better ones will do a still better job. There are a lot of stupid things on TV -- any reporter looking for ratings can come up with a scare tactic. This is probably related to worries about the Hong Kong apartment complex where it's possible there was another means of transmission.
Philo, I understood your concerns about dealing with your students, which is why I asked what specifically you were concerned about. It's clearly not going into LOS, so it's about getting back, but right now there really isn't anything to worry about as far as that. Point taken on the unpredicability of developments, but, again, this has been going on for several months and there definitely are some patterns. Thailand is really not on anybody's list of places to be worried about, nor, given its new regulations, does it seem likely to be. Heck, there are more cases in Europe than Thailand. I can understand your concerns about the potential that you could be delayed and kept from your students, but honestly I'd bet you're more likely to be delayed by your plane having mechanical problems or by another terrorist occurence.
Coughing itself isn't the only indication, as that's not really a major indicator -- the main symptom is fever, sometimes accompanied by chills, headache, general discomfort, and body aches. Three things -- fever, coughing/discomfort, and close contact with someone with SARS and/or travel to China, Singapore, Vietnam or Hong Kong all have to be present for someone to be a potential victim, according to both the CDC and WHO. There have also been a number of announcements floating around about the development of effective tests as to whether people are infected, with most places saying either that they just about have one or that they expect to in the next week or so. That would certainly help your cause, as if there's a test there's also the opportunity to be cleared of suspicion.
I seriously doubt that TGs are simply going to avoid anyone who coughs. Even if some do (and who knows, since you're talking about a lot of country girls who are prone to all kinds of superstitions) all most certainly will not. If you tell them that you're a smoker and you've had the cough a long time they're certainly not going to worry about you. From the reports of Traveller, it doesn't sound as though Thais are unduly concerned, in general, and I'd really doubt the hotel thing would be a problem either. Obviously, one never knows, but there are definitely enough hotels in Thailand hungry for business that you'd probably be able to find one to rent for you even if you were confirmed to be infected and contagious.
SARS sure won't keep me from heading across the border into Canada to gamble and screw :) Only wish I could be heading to LOS about now, as it sounds like a buyer's market for sure.
BigBucksDude
04-04-03, 03:55
God help anybody who is planning on going over to LOS and just happens to get a simple cold. Everybody and his brother will be f***** with you big time.
The US has over 70 SARS cases now and most of them are from the Los Angeles area because of the large Asian population there. If more cases develop there will Thailand start quarantining the people coming from LA as well?
I appreciate the information and perspective that joe_zop has provided here on the SARS subject but it seems to me that he maybe down playing the situation and risk involved a little bit too much IMO. In the coming days or weeks if the Thai government reacts in a much more aggressive manner with respect to SARS that could well have a severe impact on my time in LOS irregardless of whether joe_zop is right or wrong regarding the real risks associated with contracting SARS. And if you happen to be in LOS at the time. Bend over buddy.
Myself, I have decided to postpone my trip. Too much uncertainty at this point. Both from SARS itself and the Thai governments possible reactions and policies vis-a-vis SARS. Some of which MAY end up wrecking my vacation, wasting my money, and inconveniencing the hell out of me.
TG coughing or servicing someone who is coughing is standard procredure since many smoke (no, the other smoke) and that makes some cough the 3m 95 mask is good but I still like the charcoal filled ones better (fume mist masks) justthatthe damned things are uncomfortable to wear for LT (no jokes about LT, you know what I mean)
I agree with you all, the health issue doesn't bother me.
The case is that everybody (including my employer) think I am taking a few days leave (dropping/postponing lectures) in connection with easter holiday to attend an academic conference in some cold european town :D. Therefore - a normal flu (fever) and too much drinking/smoking (coughing) ending in quarantine in LOS/beeing denied entrance to my return plane/beeing stopped on my home border, would make me loose all my credibility and probably my job as well :(
Well, if it happens, I guess I just will take my little savings and small pension, move down, and ask joe_zop and Freeler for a course on how to have shelter, eat and bonk everyday in LOS on a B40.000 a month budget :)
Philo,
"in LOS on a B40.000 a month budget "
Dzjeez, I wouldn't know how to spend that much money in the Kingdom:)
In that case joe_zop, you are hereby hired as my financial advicer. 40k a month is 480k a year, and even Freeler (on B200 hotels and B200 slides) only estimated he could live 16 months for that. As I do not want to many rats and cockroaches (and have a jai dee mak mak), I think I should settle for 12.
If Jackson has an account for this site, please tell him to mail it to me, and your fee will be swiftly sent (to cover a LT session with a high end Nana stunner).
In return I expect a guide on how to cope on 30k a month. (Do I look forward to it?:D Your dwelling posts are always well informed and decent ......)
Well, actually, it was Freeler who stepped up and posted below that he could do it, which makes perfect sense given that he's said in the past that 1000baht a day is more than enough for him. Though I can definitely manage on 40k baht a month, (did it for less than that for one month this last trip when some of my money was held up) unlike Freeler I find no great difficulty in spending five or more times that. But if there's a fee involved, with a Nana stunner, well, heck, I'm always far better at spending other people's money than my own! Just don't expect that you are going to get to spend much time with Nana stunners on that budget :D
note to self, dun buy any thai porn cds at Panthip...crappy crappy shit...
on a brighter note, all the software works!
tapioca
Philo,
Stop kiddin' yourself: "I do not want to many rats and cockroaches".
Every hotel has'em. Just look a little closer.
Under the bed... In the closet... Behind the bathroomdoor...
Tapioca,
"crappy crappy shit..."
Some people love it:D!
Freeler, I am sorry for making the mistake on the post... Must be a Freudian wish in me that is was joe_zop who had written it (somehow I think his TGs have more teeth than yours?)
But I am f***ing serious about the free top Nana stunner. Just you arrange for the mail....... All we want is a comparison to the girl with the (one?) tooth. Deal? :D
You have given me a lot of advice, so you really do not have to tell me how to survive on 30k. I now it will go like this:
Room 100-250
Breakfast 20
Mid day BJ: 50 + 20 tip if good
Afternoon rest: 0
A few beers and dinner 105+30
Woman for the night: 220
Then sleep for free, and repeat next day
joe_zop, you took away all my illusions on a low budget fairytale life by saying that you, a resonable and prudent man, could easily waste '5 times that or more'....
Philo -- reasonable and prudent? Hmm, I dunno. Let me put it this way: I definitely know the difference between a ten and fifty-dollar bottle of wine, or a blend versus single-malt, and if I have my druthers I'll drink the latter in both instances. But I won't be ordering those unless my budget can manage it. Same thing in LOS -- since a suite in a hotel generally costs only a few hundred baht more, I'm certainly happy to stay in one if I have the money. But I'm not turning my nose up at a decent guesthouse if I don't, or even a less than decent one if necessary. My last trip I stayed at everything from a 130baht per night room to some a dozen times more expensive, and in fact, one of the places I liked enough to extend my stay a couple of extra nights was a scenic 250baht/night cabin in Sukothai where I could see the ground though the cracks in the wooden floor. I'm not going to be going to soapies every day, paying 500baht barfines, and grabbing hunnies by the dozen unless I've got the money to do so, but, heck, I'll gladly do it if I can! So while I could certainly manage on 40k baht, I'd definitely prefer to have at least twice that much (or more!) so I wouldn't really have to think much about it. 30k would be doable but rather tight -- I'd want that extra 10k for sure, as I like a bit of flexibility.
So it's not so much that I would easily spend five times more (though it's simple enough to do) it's more that I'd happily do so :) It's Disneyland, and I definitely prefer the option of taking all the rides as many times as I want! One of the things that Freeler does wonderfully is point out that there are alternatives to doing things the mainstream tourist way, and there are a whole range of things between the rock-bottom and the Dom Perignon approaches. And if you're living in LOS long-term and watching your money, there are still other ranges of options.
As far as your budget goes -- keep in mind that if you're over there for a while, you're looking at a room or apartment, so that 250baht a night represents a pretty good place for that price, unless you're planning to stay in Bangkok. I paid less than that for my very large place in CM, and I was decidedly not roughing it. (I was grilled by several ex-pats about how I managed it, and they were very jealous of both the place and the price. Just pure dumb luck and lots of legwork on my part, which certainly says it can be done if you invest the time and effort.) You can easily find decent rooms/apartments for half that, depending on your needs and tastes. And the mock-Freeler budget you presented puts you around 20,000baht so there's still some to play with for the month, so, yes, it can be done.
But obviously I hope you don't have to stay unless you want to!
(And, for the record, all of Freeler's TGs were not toothless or ugly, based on the photos I saw. His tastes are somewhat different from mine, but I'm sure mine are just as different for many other folks.)
Hey man joe_zop, Freeler is a good man, I was just joking on the budget and the teeth. But am am still serious - read SERIOUS - about sending him on a mission to high end Nana. It would result in the post of the year.......
Anyway, your post proves that I am right. You can survive on B1200 for one week waiting for your check, and you will use B50-100k a week WISELY if you can afford it (without it redusing your future options). This meens you are on top of the situation and yourself, not some stupid overpaying ST-lasting sucker like me.....:)
By the way, I have found nice province hotels at B9000 a month and BKK Boss Tower at B12000 a month, and on my last tour I got my first gogo f*** for1k as well as talking a 3k LT cutie down to 2000, so I guess I slowly learn....
Thanks to this site and its :cool: and sharing patrons.....
Well, thanks for the compliments, but I assure you I can stupidly [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) money away with the best of you, and do so all too often! :D
Philo,
To me, about Joe_zop:"somehow I think his TGs have more teeth than yours?"
:DL-O-L!:D
But some women, in fact, do have fewer teeth than others. OTOH, didn't we all have fun with 'The lady WITH the teeth'?
On my last trip I refused the services of a couple of women, allow me to quote myself:
"The one who looked the best had some loose teeth or something,when she spoke there were all sorts of disturbing sounds coming from her mouth, resembling rattling, loose teeth. No way!
Another one had teeth that made a crocodile a good choice for a BJ... rotten, nasty stumps."
You see, there are limits...
Room 120-350(av.180)
Breakfast: 40
Mid day BJ: 200-300 (including fuck)
Afternoon rest: Afternoon rest:(?
A few beers and dinner: NO beers, dinner B20-50
Woman for the night: more like for the evening B200-300
You seem to forget about travel: appr B100
taxi's: z-e-r-o!
<<Edit: Allow for 25% more in the South if you're staying in places like Phuket, Krabi and HadYai>>
you know from what I read of freelers exploits, it might be worth it to take up a collection and set up an assembly line for him and see how long it takes for him to wear out (shades of Agrippina) can't figure out if he _likes_ starfish or merely tolerates them. Giddy-up big fellah...
just thinking...
Dinghy,
I would never allow a snail to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) in my bed:D!
free - sure like I KNEW IT IN ADVANCE! Like I said if I had known in advance... this TG made some of best smoke moves on a bottle that I've seen in long time, and then didn't perform. I guess she likes me because when I walked by she was interested again (yeah, right...don't fuck me once shame on you, don't fuck me twice shame on me. ( no best 3 out of 5 even if she is uttlerly gorgeous) Switched rooms, though... nice DRY double, bit smaller than 2 singles but still liveable
Dear Freeler.
'The lady of the teeth' is a grand poem and great fun (although a lttle bit scary for the sissys of us), and nobody who has kept but only a tiny bit of their innocense and imaginative capabilities could in any way escape understanding your state of mind when turning down the scaring 'Crocodile female BJ' or 'The kiss of the fury with the rattling teeth'.
If asked, would you consider write a thesis on 'A comparative study on dental-vaginal differences between provincial streetwalkers and urban gogo-girls in Thailand'.
I think you should... It would make us all happier and wiser......:D
Philo,
Have you considered seeking help:confused:?
No Freeler, I haven't, but may be I should.....
My post on the teeth was positively ment. Stupid me, I found the 'dental-vaginal' theme quite funny. It is even Jungian/Freudian...... I am now totally confused: If I have offended you, I am very sorry.
Just in case you are pissed off: nothing can change that. I am still grateful for all your good advice ....
ph
Relax, Freeler's joking back. I like his sense of humor (mysteriously, to me, often misunderstood here) almost as much as his information!
I have a some guestions for anyone who is currently in Bangkok. I have read that the number of punters is down significantly. What percentage down do you think it is? Also, has that lead to many of the girls heading back home? Are there any price wars developing to attract the reduced number of punters? Have any of the clubs or bars closed down or "laid off" some of their girls?
When I was there in early February Saturday night on Sukhumvit was very active and buzzing with activity. How did the Saturday night just finished compare to that? Finally, what are the expectations for Songkran? I assume they expect the number of people and festivities to be down greatly.
last saturday ( week ago) Suk was relatively dead (according to manager of living room, was down 50 % MINIMUM (like maybe 10 customers at 10PM) Bars won't close but I dunno if BKK like soome other places where the girls just effectively "give up" and take some time off. (as to laid off,though, since the bar doesn't PAY the girls unless they bring in money, its not a "layoff")
Samus and other a** holes like him,
FU. Get my meaning.
Originally posted by Samus Aran
Toosh and other worriers:
Was in Bangkok over the weekend. Lots of girls, few customers. Expect this to be the norm for awhile. After Songkran it gets even more deserted as the "high" season for fucking comes to a screeching halt.
Samus Aran
SAMUS ARAN,
Nothing wrong with the question about number of people and girls in the city. This board is all about members learning from other members. Doesn’t seem to me that Toosh is worried just asking a simple question. If you found a problem with that, then maybe you are the problem. Why so hostile over a legitimate question? It seems you always are looking to fight with other posters why?
Sexreview
BigBucksDude
04-06-03, 21:40
Apparently Samus doesn't think the impact of a DEADLY virus is of much importance. Not only can this virus kill but before it has run it course it will also have caused financial and economic havoc with many many people. I, as a newbie , am very thankful SOMEBODY IS ASKING THESE QUESTIONS!
Samus, you are an idiot.
Why is this being interpreted as hostile? It's completely true -- the number of punters goes down as the rains come up, and April is when that starts to happen. Last time I was there in late April and May there were substantially fewer guys on the prowl, which is normal.
Nothing wrong with the question about number of people and girls in the city -- but nothing wrong with giving an accurate answer either. Where in SA's answer is something that's not correct? Who exactly is it who's looking to fight?
Originally posted by joe_zop
Why is this being interpreted as hostile?
Joe_zop
It is simply to label the reply "Toosh and other worriers:" Is to imply that Toosh and others are worried, the post didn't say that it just asked the question. I believe Samus Aran reply was hostile and that’s what I posted.
Sexreview
Hmm, I read the response like this -- "Lots of girls, few customers." In other words, don't worry.
Given that Toosh expressed concern in his question that because of low customers girls might be leaving, I don't think it's completely out of line to think about that as worrying. In any event, calling someone a worrier is most certainly nowhere near as hostile as the response, (F.U.) especially when S.A. gave an actual report based on being in Bangkok over the weekend, which is precisely what Toosh requested.
Look, I've gotten into it with S.A. many times, but I just don't see it here, and it's usually pretty damn easy to tell if he is jumping into somebody's shit.
Thank God I am not a TG putting up with all these "worriers". It is now one month since The Skinless One was exploring the crevices of these wretched women, using htem for my pleasure and throwing them a handfull of baht in exchange. SA etc: what is the going price? Have top end bar fine levels been affected or are they just squeezing the hard core poon addicts harder (in a financial sense)? Thank you for your contribution and do give my regards to those lovely ladies of Korat Park next time you pass:)
Hey: The BB One, who must be 7-8 months pregnant by now, has the Czech promising to send 30.k baht a month. Is that the going mug rate?
Also, any report on Grace Hotel? Any tension there?
Personally, I doubt that Samus is hostile, but in previous incarnations (has not achieved nirvahna yet) was perhasps a bit "angrier". I think he is just trying to save us from ourselves in that most of us get too into the girls and try to make too much of "GFE". His philosophy of 3F is OK in my book (after all, when I tried a "repeat" look what happened to me, - see pattaya section for better description of what I mean.)
anyway, IF anyone out there reads history and remembers the 1917 flu epidemic, it started small, but grew with an absolute vengence taking several million lives in the process. IF SARS is a similar situation and given the ease of travel from country to country, we MIGHT be facing the same type of situation. I don't remember seeing a "cause of death" except "respiratory failure" (similar to viral pneumonia). don't make light of it anyone know anything about the age and health level spread of the folks who died?
Samus Aran,
I don't know why the hell people jump on you for saying that the girl/boy ratio is better then before and getting better still.
Greetings,
'Never worrying' Freeler
Dinghy,
The dead were 60+ or in bad health.
SA's post answered the question. Previous malbehaviour has nothing to do with it.
Ebola hasn't spread around the world and that's a virus too and always lethal. I like to blame this SARS thing on the bad hygenic conditions the Chinese put themselves in: spitting all over the place, sneezing and coughing in peoples faces.
Wearing a mouthcap will never stop a free roaming virus. It will stop a virus if it travels on drops of spit.
Ofcourse you will have to handle any mouthcaps used with care or you may infect yourself or other people anyway...
PS Why call it SARS? Why not name it after the doctor who first identified it and died?
BigBucksDude
04-07-03, 13:26
I interpret Samus’s remarks about “Toosh and other worriers” as an attempt by him to label and ridicule those who wish to discuss the SARS situation. Also, the rather brief response he gave (along with the worrier comment) indicates to me that he doesn’t really think it is all that important. So let’s downplay all this and ridicule those that wish to discuss it.
Frankly, I can’t think of anything that we ought to be discussing more than SARS for any LOS discussion in the recent past. If Samus wants to consider that be a worrier (as if it’s not a serious health and economic threat) then he is not only stupid but a jack*** as well. I don’t blame Toosh for telling him FU. SARS is such an important issue right now that I would have liked to see Jackson give it it’s own thread.
I think Sexreview’s post about Samus being hostile was valid as well. He IMO sensed Samus’s attempt to ridicule it as well. To somebody like Sexreview who plans on going to LOS (I was contemplating it as well) in the near future we very much want to read as much about the SARS situation in LOS as is possible. Especially as it relates to our hobby. WE DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANY IDIOTS TRYING TO RIDICULE SOMEBODY FOR BRINGING UP A SUBJECT THAT IS EXTREMEMLY INPORTANT TO OUR PLANS, OUR POTENTIAL HEALTH, AND MONEY.
I also sense (among others posters here) an attempt to downplay SARS as well. Talk about denial. Perhaps that is why they don’t see Samus’s post as the attempt at ridicule that it was. One gets the sense that they think it is not that much to worry about either. Naturally, they are all self-appointed experts on pandemics and medical issues and post as much. The fact that people at the WHO and CDC have radically different ideas about it’s seriousness and potential threat doesn’t seem to damper their desire to express their “medical expertise” on the subject. They may be “experts” on 300 baht Beach Street ho’s but they sure as hell are not experts on evaluating the risk factors of SARS.
skinless,
i was at Grace for about 3 straight nights last weekend. It was great...only one fight and that was a big ol' brotha and some white guy...i think it's about some TG.
of course, when they ask where I'm from, I thought it best to say ma jaak sinagapore khap...u never know when there's a drunk iraqie sitting next to u.
if u guys are white, i suggest ireland...no need to start trouble when ur looking for pussy.
tapioca
Tapioca,
'i suggest ireland'
I always learned to lie as close to the truth as possible as that is the easiest to remember.
So for you US-passport holders, saying you're Canadian would seem the best...
Or is that a too big a step to take:D?
Saying you're from Singabore isn't recommendable: Travelers from Singabore, HK and MainlandChina aren't really that welcome anymore in the Kingdom now with the SARS-scare...
Can someone recommend a NO-HANDS restaurant? I read some previous posts which advised against by [banner member name]. Are there any others. No-hands sounds like a great way to eat your dinner. Please share your experiences.
They may be “experts” on 300 baht Beach Street ho’s but they sure as hell are not experts on evaluating the risk factors of SARS.
Nor are you, so expecting people to toe a particular point of view on it, be it panic or dismissal, is ridiculous. People have been posting the reported facts on the situation as it stands in Thailand, (which as of today are that two people have died, both of whom were infected abroad, that there are at this point eleven suspected cases in the country, and that there is no evidence of any local transmission) in the same way that people have posted the facts on AIDS and other infections. People still go to LOS for sex knowing that there are STDS floating around, and many engage in risky behavior while doing so. You pays your money and you takes your chances, or not.
Since you cite them, the CDC and WHO have not placed Thailand on their lists of places to avoid, and the WHO does not list Thailand as one of their affected areas (http://www.who.int/csr/sarsareas/2003_04_07/en/). Yes, Thailand is in Southeast Asia, and that's the main trouble area. It's also a damn big region, and the chair I'm sitting in at this moment is closer to Toronto (where there have been more cases and more deaths, and which is listed by the WHO as an affected area) than Bangkok is to Hong Kong, Singapore, or Hanoi. I'm sure as hell not walking around with a protective mask on because of that, or trying to decide if I should go anywhere. I don't see how people not swooning, when respected health authorities are not saying Thailand is a trouble spot, is somehow being dismissive or in denial. Everybody has a different comfort level and definition for risk and the unknown.
To look at it from another perspective, the Rolling Stones were concerned enough to cancel their concerts in China, but not the one in Thailand. (Whether there's actually any puny virus that could take on Keith Richards and win in any event is an open question, of course. :))
And how you go from a label of "worriers" in a response that talks about the number of customers and girls to a comment on SARS, when neither Samus nor Toosh said a word about it in their posts, is beyond me. If you're seriously so worried about SARS that you see it in every nuance and post, you should probably give serious thought to postponing your trip -- it certainly won't be much fun if everywhere you look in a strange country you see unsanitary conditions and everytime someone coughs you see a deadly virus out to get you.
joe_zop
It is always a pleasure to read your balanced, informative and non-agressive posts. Keep up the good work....
(I have to start the journey in peace, so I removed the rudeness that originally was written right here ......)
ph
The Traveler
04-07-03, 22:21
Directly after my arrival in BKK I went to Baron's. was my first time, cause I usually prefer the soapies due to more girls. Baron's has only around 15 girls.
Choosed one average looking, cause the only two good looking were just booked when I came in. Went upstairs, took a shower and got my oily. It was more rubbing in than a massage. A bit cold too, cause just had a small room but AC was of normal size (10.000 BTU). Small means a bed, a shower and that's it, room is just 2m x 3,5m at best.
When oil reaches my best part and was rubbed in like everywhere else. Girl asked if I wanted more. Answer was yes, but haven't decided what to take. Girl told me, that she is working there for at least three months and never had a farang, only chinese, taiwanese, hongkong and japanese, cause she was scared of our bigger size (not body, just special tool). Told her no reason to scare, know how to use it and can go soft. So I first got a short HJ and BJ too wake him up and then she sat down on me. Sex was average and I think should be avoided in the future. Not worth the money. Best value for money at Baron's is oily with a good HJ.
There is also a fixed price list for the offered services
oily 2hrs 800
HJ 500
BJ 1000
FS 1500
When I left through back door I saw a massage, named Diamond, just opposite the street. Lots of girls in there who are calling me over. Decide to take a look I move over and talk to them. Some cute ones there. I finally decide to take a traditional massage, cause I just got my oily at Barons. Since this is my last day in BKK I decide to take all three good looking ones. When entering the room the girls tell me that they can also give me a massage in my hotel room. They also tell me to bargain with the owner. Massage at parlour is 400 per girl and 2 hrs. Normal price at hotel is 600, but can be easily brought down to 500.
So said, I pay and we leave heading to my room. Arrived there they first want to change their clothes, but then all of them decide just to keep on their shirts and panties. I also have only my underwear on, but not for long. Instead of agreed traditional I get special oily without asking for it. Oil gets rubbed in by hands first. Then girl tells me that another one has nice tits. telling them to show me, cause I do not believe and it would just be fair, cause I wear no shirt either. All of them take off to get their boobs compared and rated by me. Real nice. Now oil gets rubbed in by every part of their body and after a few minutes they also target little traveler who is growing fast and strong when oil gets rubbed in there too. Starting too play with their pussies as well, fingering them and get them wet. Real real nice. Everywhere fresh flesh, young, wet and sometimes pink. One feels sorry cause they don't brought condoms with them, but I have some !
So I take of her panty as well and playing around during getting a very very good HJ. This HJ is the best I ever had. Telling the one who is a real pro at it, to go slow cause I like it long time. She understands and let it last about 90 min. !
Did not get FS cause girl was shy getting it done in front of the other girls. They tell me that they have never done it the way I got it, cause they had no customer till now who took three girls at once. Only that way they feel safe, otherwise they would probably had refused to go to my room. HJ and BJ seems to be available at the parlour, but no taking off from their side.
Girls mention high amounts for the provided services, which I ignore and understand as fun talking. At the end they ask for at least 1.500 each as already very special price just for me. But I had already decided to give 1.000 each, cause the services were very good. I know that it is too much, HJ is only 500, but there was somewhat more provided and it was real fun. Telling them it is my last day and I don't have enough money left paying them 1.000 each and off they go very happy.
After that I had a shower to wash off the oil and head for Nana. Had a look at a few gogos downstairs and finally sat down at G-Spot. Still have a number in my mobile from one who was working at Voodoo and now moved to G-Spot. Phoned her before I went to BKK just to check if she is still there. Didn't tell her to pick her up, just asked where she is working now. Didn't remember her face, so ask papasan to show me but not calling her. She sees that and can immediately remember me. Must have been quite impressive last time. She remembers almost every detail and still got a photo of us made at Angels. Pay 600 bf and leave with her. She is tall 1,68m, max 50kg, nice boobs, light skin (Tap, gonna send you photo !) and real nice attitude. Best thing is, she likes girls too. So we check all the other gogos at Nana for a nice threesome. Nothing there that looks like fun, just one real cute, but only 17ys old (will turn 18 in 5 months). She seems to be good with just a guy but too shy for a threesome. Anyway, too young (officially).
She tries to phone one of her friends, showing me photo, real nice girl. But girl-friend already went upcountry for songkran.
So we walk home, shower, session starts and goes on for a while (almost 1h). Suddenly little traveler refuses to work. It's a combination of no food for at least two days - just some Taro and Lipo-Soda - and the already executed activities. Also the need to wear protective suit and the fact that I am also very tired, cause last night had just 2 hrs sleep, taking their toll. I don't take it serious and making fun out of it - don't have to prove anything, no olympics - tell her I want to rest a few minutes before going on. But she ignores it and starts to give me a real good HJ. Very soft, but strong enough for a nice feeling and very sensitive. Her face shows me that she really likes to play with little traveler and he seems to like it too. Putting on protective suit again and here we go. Finally taking her from behind making her cum again and little traveler also finishes.
In the morning a quickie, paying her 2.000 and up and away to the airport, where 25 % of all the passengers and most of the employees are wearing masks. A bit scary.
Nevertheless, all in all a good trip to LOS.
The Traveler
04-07-03, 22:41
Don' want to jump into your discussion if Samus post was offensive or not, don't want to support either side, just my 2 cents.
I can't see any offense in his post, just info about the girl/customer ratio. Think positive, maybe just a typo "warriors" :-)
I think you guys must be very happy, having no real problems in your life to get pissed off by getting called a "worrier".
What do you do when a girl calls you "khiniau". Do you knock her down ?
Behave like an adult and ignore it. I have met Samus with Tap that day, nice talking. He is just an average guy, living in the middle of nowhere and therefore likes to provoke to get some salt in his soup.
Tap :
Your thai is improving. Go on.
Price list at Nana:
Baron's see list in report.
BF at Nana 500 - 600 depending on bar
ST 1000-1500
LT 1500-2000
Many girls, almost no customers. It's like paradise.
Help finding NO-HANDS restaurants. Never been to bkk, but planning to go soon. Can someone recommend a good no-hands restaurant to get good "service"? This no-hands dining sounds like such a trip and would sure love to experience it ones.
Since it looks like you've come to the last one, Traveler, let me say thanks for the detailed, informative and colorful reports. Philo, have a blast!
joe_zop
Thank you. I will try. And even though almost everything under the (Preachers) sun has already been posted, I will give some kind of report.......
ph
Help!!
I have a long-standing unfulfilled fantasy. It goes like this: I am with two girls. I am fucking one of them - in the cowgirl position if you must know - or better yet fucking her in the ass. Every ones in a while, I take it out and the other girl sucks me for a little while. Then I go back to fucking the first one.
Is this something thats possible in the LOS? Any recommendations on where to go for this? How are the bargirls for a sandwich? I have read on several boards that Thai girls in general tend to be a little shy - not wanting to walk around naked in your room etc. (what an irony) - hence the concern. I would also love to take out two girls long term and sleep with them.
Is this a great board or what? I've never been to Thailand and am planning my first trip next month. Wouldn't have been possible but for such an informative board. Will certainly share my experiences if they are worth sharing.
Gangbang anyone?
I would like to get together with a fellow WSG'er (prefer only one) to take two (or more) girls to a room for a gangbang. Anybody interested - please indicate online and we can take it up offline. Please note that I'm neither gay nor bi; not interested in exploring either. This would be a strictly hetero-sexual activity.
If I don't hook up with someone on this board, I was thinking of asking a farang in one of the bars while there. Any concerns?
ManonsanBoy
04-08-03, 01:15
This is a very active room. Anyone been into ther other sex info (PAY) sites?
Major problem with this site is no pictures. Otherwise its great.
BigBucksDude
04-08-03, 01:53
Joe_zop,
In your post you stated that I am not an expert on SARS. I have never claimed or implied that I was. Please show me where I have been guilty of that. If fact, one could easily deduce from my posts a desire to learn more about it rather than implying I was an expert it. Nor have I EVER attempted to provide any risk evaluations or medical advise on the subject of SARS. In your post 4-4-03 01:55 you discuss coughing as an indication of the presence of SARS. I hardly think you are qualified to do that. If anyone is trying to sound like an expert on the subject you are FAR guiltier of that that I am.
Next, even though the CDC and the WHO have not put Thailand on their list of places to avoid that hardly means that they think there is no risk there. AT PRESENT, there have not been enough documented cases to put them on their travel advisory list. That DOES NOT mean that they think there is no risk or the potential to develop into dangerous situation there very quickly. The Thai government and its EXPERTS seem to think there is one hellava lot of risk or potential for risk involved or they would not have initiated the measures they have. They are definately not downplaying it's risk as you seem to be doing with your "perspective" comments to philo (4-3-3 21:48). I wonder what real medical experts would think of the usefulness of such comments. They might well say that is one way SARS type situtations get out of hand.
Why you even bring up the subject of the Rolling Stones is beyond me. First, who gives a shit what the Rolling Stones think especially when it relates to medical issues? Perhaps their history of drug abuse qualifies them. I’m sure the Thai government, CDC, and WHO consult Mick and Keith before issuing their advisories. Duh!!!!
You also write that I am “so worried about SARS that you see it in every nuance and post” and “everywhere you look in a strange country you see unsanitary conditions and every time someone coughs you see a deadly virus out to get you” I never said any such thing. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. As far as coughing goes it seems to me you’re the one who is making comments about coughing when you’re not qualified to.
Finally, after intentionally mischaracterizing my thoughts on SARS (above paragraph) you suggest I ought to postpone my trip. Before presuming to suggest what I should or should not do and my thoughts on SARS you ought to go back and actually read my posts. If you had you would have already known that I had postponed my trip (4-4-03 02:55).
Where does all this anger and macho posturing come from? Thailand is the land of smiles, gentlemen. Smiles. You have all been so helpful and supportive with my requests for info. It seems like a friendly, supportive "fraternity" we have here; ready to help each other to find what we all love best, right?
Some of you sound as though you're ready to fight at the slightest provocation. A little testy, are we? Gentlemanly disagreement is one thing. Posts that are dripping with venom are something else.
Chill out.
Good grief, BigBucksDude -- I wasn't accusing you of anything other than reading too much into things, which you've just done again. My point was simply that you're no more qualified than the rest of us -- you're the one who decried the lack of expertise here -- so looking at objective professional sources and actual reports is pretty well all any of us have to work with, and that's generally the kind of discussion that's been going on here. Your conspiracy theories about how diseases spread ("They might well say that is one way SARS type situtations get out of hand") are certainly no more informed or valid than my reading of things that are in the news and are provided on CDC and WHO websites. (For what it's worth, I have got at least a small bit of vaguely pertinent general background here -- I used to work for the Red Cross in the blood bank area and also used to critique research design in medical study papers. One of the things I was involved with was tracking and screening when the first HIV tests came out, and this has a very similar feel in terms of how people are reacting and how the appropriate health bodies are mobilizing. That's far from expertise, and it was a very long time ago, but I have at least got some ballpark familiarity with the processes.)
My point on the Stones was simply to emphasize the general difference in levels of concern between the two places, which goes along with other reports here about things like flight crews being diverted to stay in Bangkok, and demonstrates that the level of alarm among people going to the country isn't as high a it is in other places. (Jeez -- a smiley generally indicates something shouldn't be taken too seriously...)
You point out the actions the Thai government have been taking as if it means that the devil is hammering at the door. That may be true, but in truth, the Thai government is always highly proactive when it comes to anything that might affect health and tourism, and this is another example of it. (And anything that's not Thai and not armed with lots of baht is the devil pretty much by definition.) They'd obviously be foolish not to take steps when this is something that's affected many of their regional neighbors, but they may also well be precisely who the WHO is referring to when they talk about the success of aggressive steps taken by countries in containing the spread of the disease to this point. (Some doctors at the WHO also have stated, for what it's worth, that SARS will probably spread to every country on earth.)
I'm not qualified to read the minds of the CDC or WHO in terms of them thinking that it might "develop into dangerous situation there very quickly." I go by what they say, as they're the experts, and they haven't said not to travel to Thailand. They place Thailand in the exact same category as the United States -- as a place where cases have been reported, but there is no evidence that there has been any local transmission of the disease. You can spin the future and what may or may not happen any way you want to, and you may be right or you may be wrong, and so may I, but the reality, right now, is that is what the experts have said.
My comment about you seeing things in every nuance and post was directly related to your comments on Samus Arum's response to Toosh, and I stand by it. Nowhere in either post is a single word about SARS, and yet you see it as some sort of slap about that and have posted so twice. (And I can't believe I've somehow gone from someone who used to argue constantly with that dude from Korat to someone who defends him :D)
I'm sorry, I did miss your comment about postponing your trip, and it didn't turn up when I did a search on your name. Obviously, had I seen it I'd have not made the comment. What I do see however, is that almost every post (if not every one) you've made is on SARS, which points to your concern on it in the face of your planned trip, which is understandable, so I hardly think my comment was out of line, and your decision makes good sense. It was certainly not meant unkindly, (good grief -- I was exaggerating a bit for effect as opposed to saying you'd said any such thing about coughing or conditions; that was just hyperbole -- just because this is a serious disease doesn't mean we can't have a light touch in discussing it) as I was completely serious about the difficulty of having a good time on the road when you're worried -- I've been with companions who are afraid of flying, who are worried about germs, who are concerned that everyone is going to mug them or take advantage of them, etc., and they simply never have a good time. (Nor do I when with them!) And having a good time is, after all, the idea behind a vacation.
I'm not out for a flame war with you, and I'm very sorry that my post rubbed you wrong and you felt attacked, as that was certainly not my intent.
That said, I hardly feel obliged to change my opinion, which comes from doing research and reading (and I tend to spend a fair amount of time on the CDC and WHO sites, among other health areas, since I have done a lot of international travel in the past few years) simply because you have an inchoate sense that I'm downplaying things. I'm more than happy to revise my perspective if you want to cite some authoritative sources and information as opposed to simply making assertions about what might or might not happen, but a cogent discussion requires facts from both sides of the aisle, and to this point, you've not provided any. Convince me, and I'll sing a different tune.
In any event, people on this site are obviously quite free to ignore my opinions on anything or everything, as I'm just a guy posting in a discussion area, same as you, with the only difference being that I've actually been to the area in question and have a little first-hand experience there (which, of course, gives me utterly no expertise on SARS, and I claim none.)
Peace?
Jayf1970,
'Any concerns?'
Not if your insurance pays for the broken jaw repair...
On the 3sum. It is entirely up to you to make the right choice when selecting bargirls.
But when you go to a MP, you can simply state to the papasan what you want.
BigBucksDude,
Do you have any information A-T A-L-L for the visitors of this board, or are you just filling it up with BS?
jayf1970: you should read the past reports but to answer some of tour questions read bangkok tonight no hand bars in soi cowboy and patoong, Your fantasy of two girls like you want go to edens soi 7/1 map of place in the bangkok tonight website. Do a search on this website or look at the FAQs section on this section will answer most of your ?'s. A side note when I left last week prices were negotiated about 500 bath lower than on that site with a couple even a 1000 bath lower (I'm guessing this due to the war and sars).YMMV. if your not to good at remembering places thogh I would do a search with maps on this site and get the ones found on the yahoo board. Try a search using sanukmaps. Also no problem at Nana hotel with bringing 2 girls.
Scott
Please be more explicit on prices (I cannot find what you are refering to when you say down 500/1000....)
Thanks
Dick Johnson
04-08-03, 11:32
All right guys lol.
My concern of SARS is not so much the number of people who has it now now, but 1 month, 3 months or 6 months down the line. Because this thing spreads much faster and easier than AIDS or any other STDs. 1 person can spread to 50-70 people. And each of those can spread it further.
Also, even if you don't get SARS, who wants to be quarantine just because someone else on a plane has a flu? Or if you have only a regular flu?
Furthermore, there is no known cure. Plus it does not take years to kill you, but days.
At least you are not gauranteed to die if you get SARS. About 1 in 20 gets to meet Mr Death.
It is best to postpone non essential travel plans to affected countries. But there's no need to be too alarmed... at this point...
-DJ
PS. BigBucksDude, don't argue too much, you may not have as much time as the other guy.
BigBucksDude
04-08-03, 13:59
joe_zop
You have an amazing predisposition to misrepresent or twist what someone has said. Some examples:
“Your conspiracy theories about how diseases spread ("They might well say that is one way SARS type situtations get out of hand")” ------- Good god, what conspiracy theories are you referring to? Do you actually think the comment that medical experts might think that lax attitudes might contribute to SARS type situations getting out of hand is a conspiracy theory???? And if so, what groups or individuals do you think that I believe are involved in this “conspiracy”? Please explain this as it makes no sense to me. If your going to respond to my post you ought to at least do so in manner that has some relation to what I actually said.
“You point out the actions the Thai government have been taking as if it means that the devil is hammering at the door”. ------ Here is another misrepresentation. I mention the reaction of the Thai government not to sound hysterical or apocalyptic but rather to show that Thai government officials DO NOT share your “perspective” on the situation. I don’t quite recall reading any quotes in the Bangkok Post or the Nation from Thai officials about keeping things in “perspective”.
“So worried about SARS that you see it in every nuance and post” and “everywhere you look in a strange country you see unsanitary conditions and every time someone coughs you see a deadly virus out to get you” ------ Everywhere I look in a strange country I see unsanitary conditions. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE STATED THAT OR EVEN IMPLIED THAT. That is more than just wrong it is just a flat out lie. My god, if that is not dishonestly putting words into another person’s mouth then you ought to see somebody about some shock treatment to get your brain jump-started. UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps I should start misrepresenting what you say in the same manner and start claiming that you say everywhere you look in a strange country you see no unsanitary problems and everything is perfect all the time. Consequently, no need to discuss any public health issues.
“I have done a lot of international travel in the past few years) simply because you have an inchoate sense that I'm downplaying things” -------- To suggest you have not tried to downplay the risk factors associated with SARS in Thailand is more than a little intellectually dishonest. Your 4-4-03 21:48 post is most assuredly an attempt to downplay the risk factors associated with SARS in Thailand. That is the post where you attempt to give it some “perspective”. I seriously doubt that the Thai government or the CDC/WHO share that “perspective”.
“What I do see however, is that almost every post (if not every one) you've made is on SARS, which points to your concern on it in the face of your planned trip, which is understandable, so I hardly think my comment was out of line” ---- You comment wasn’t out of line just wrong.
“(good grief -- I was exaggerating a bit for effect ” ------ You seem to like “exaggerating” a bit for effect but if you don’t mind I can do without your “exaggerating” or intentionally representing what I have said.
Finally, a comment from Dick Johnson: “PS. BigBucksDude, don't argue too much, you may not have as much time as the other guy”. --------- You are 100 percent right. I would never have the time for nearly 850 posts to this board. That does strike me as a bit much and you can’t help but wonder if they do much else than post to this board.
Freeler,
If you don't like bigbucksdude's posts don't read them. I have found plenty of your posts to be BS as well and choose to simply ignore them. Especially the ones about low/cost and low/end street walkers. The kind I am not even remotely interested in and no doubt many others as well.
BigBucksDude, I'm baffled by your reading and interpretations of my posts, and since you've obviously no interest in really taking a shot at understanding anything I've said, let alone actually bringing any real information to the table to discuss, and seem bound and determined to be offended no matter what I do, I'll just let it rest and be done with you, since there's little point in continuing this. You are convinced that I'm downplaying things and that I'm attacking you, regardless of my explanations or attempts to clarify, so, fine, whatever. (Guess that's what I get for trying to be helpful by responding to your questions in the first place. Here's another definition of intellectual dishonesty: cancelling a trip out of fear and then going after people who don't climb on the worry train.) As far as downplaying versus overplaying, well, I'm sorry, but the fact simply remains this: to date, as reported by all reputable agencies, not a single person has contracted SARS while in Thailand.
And for what it's worth, it's not all that hard to rack up a lot of posts if you've been on any board for a fairly long time and participate. I've definitely got a life, and spend plenty of time living it as opposed to worrying about it.
Byeon Kwang Sae
04-08-03, 18:20
report, reviews, tips, and warnings
the scene - - nice. very nice. in my estimation, the total supply of girls is only down slightly in absolute numbers, but demand is way down for all of the reasons that you already know (low season, war, sars, cholera), hence, the ratio of quality girls to the dwindling supply of horney falangs is way up. high quality, low prices.
some random reviews and musings - -
1.)school uniform fetish - - i finally found the digits for miss annie (01-846-5498 and 01-825-8398) she is still supplying very cute schoolgirls and office girls either in school uniform or in upscale party dresses. same game. she has a nice supply of legal 18 and 19y.o.’s that look much younger. cute, but somewhat boring after the umpteenth time. i selected “anh”, about 23y.o., average build and looks, way above average skills. very nice.
2.)high end escorting - - i tried “v.i.p. models”. i told them that i wanted a penthouse quality model, with huge but real breasts, and skills to leave me numb. they delivered. ms. thip (pr. “tip”) arrived on time. i was stunned. thip is thai, but she has that sort of brazilian mixed-ethnicity exotic type look. thip is 22y.o., 5’-7”, 130 lbs., shaved slick, and has sure ‘nuff beautiful and one-hundred percent real “absolutely perfect” 36-d’s like i ain’t never seen before on a thai girl. very gfe and all-terrain, great skills, no limits. she receives my highest recommendation.
3.)nasty no limits experience - - ok, after a dozen or so trips to bkk, i finally tried marc’s eden club. i had never been there, but i knew the protocol from other reviews and from eden’s web site. i took a young petite very cute short-haired fair-skin girl named “sing” or “song” or something from the left side of the yellow line, and i asked her to please choose her partner from the non-greek side. great fun. everything went just like every review i have ever read. i disagree with those that have previously posted that eden’s is a low-end skank repository. both of my girls were very cute, clean, smart and skilled. you’ve got to try it once. i met marc, and he seemed like a nice guy.
4.)soi 8 bj bar - - alley cat’s - - ya gotta try it. i went twice, and took the same girl both times. my 4-f-ing must be way too advanced, i have already forgotten her name. she was average height, petite, wide mouth, and had those beautiful perfect eyes. she knew the value of looking up and making eye contact right at the moment of cim and gulp-gulp. great actress, and skilled practitioner of the art, and i tipped accordingly. (you can also get two girls there at one time in a nice large well-appointed short-time room for an almost eden-like experience)
5.)street pimp wannabe - - i met a taxi driver named srimuang (01-615-6289) he claimed that he knew how to get me into all of the “secret” lady houses, brothels, and china-town short-time love hotels that were normally off-limits to falang. the first night was an average experience, young girl, tight twat, ok, but not extraordinarily special, but then i generally don’t cull none of it. the second night i explained to him that i wanted to see the absolute “dark-side” of bkk, that i wanted to experience the most off-limits stuff that he could find. i didn’t even know what i meant, but maybe i’ve been doing this for too long, so i gotta find a new thrill, i don’t know. we ended up in some weird place near china town. upstairs parking in curtained-off stalls. numerous doors, gate-keeper “heavy” types, and endless hands held out for tips. i ended up in a little room with benches and i was asked to wait. shit. i thought that i had died and woke up in either hell or k-11. the chinese papa san paraded in a group of pajama clad young lasses of questionable age, and not to mention of questionable health. i haven’t seen this many little runny noses since measles hit the sixth grade. i got outta there quicker than you can say “bingangsae”. night number three he takes me to some fish market outdoor thai eating place where the catfish was good and the office girls were plentiful. met “pen” and took her back to the hotel for the night. nice gal, about 23yo, average looks, above average skills, very passionate, i spent most of the night playing “doctor” and seeing how many times she could cum. nice.
6.)oil massage - - had a real nice round with “ann” at the “t”-massage. (651-3125) good oil massage. fair hj and bbbj, and first-class straight fuck. this is why i like thailand. open 24 hours, all services available at very fair prices. i even got a good haircut there the next day.
7.)girlie bar blow-out - - went with my cabal of business partners to the nanapong dance contest at sharks in scb. had a front-row seat. got splashed with lots of beer. great fun. i didn’t stay for the finale. number 201 (from hollywood?) stole my heart. i would sure like to see her in stockings and a black cocktail dress. spank me twice.
8.)[CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s - - “my” bj bar - - i have always introduced myself as “vladimir nabikov” when i walk in to this place. (they never seem to get the joke . . . ) i took my favorite, “nong”. nice kid, petite, cute face, slightly different ethnicity than i normally see around bkk. sort of an almost eastern-european look to the shape of her nose. (jewish girls give the best head, right?) after a day of “other debauchery”, she had to work hard to siphon off my last nut of the day. cim and spit. what a trooper. great kid.
9.)independent - - “lek”, 19y.o., petite, about a 30-a, maybe 105 lbs., 5’-1”, very pretty girl, very tight little twat, great straight fuck, but no gfe skills, very shy. you can call her thai boyfriend at 06-691-0261 or write to him at jezkevin1011@yahoo.com to arrange to do the deed. lek looks just like the photos that he e-mailed to me a few weeks ago. definitely no complaints on her looks, or on her near-virginal pussy muscles, but she needs to grow up a little.
10.)independent - - “kate” – 19y.o thai college girl. (also goes by “kat” or “cat”). about a 32-a, 105 lbs., 5’-2”, skinny little legs that wrap tight, great straight fuck, all positions, no greek, motivational bbbj, but no cim, good gfe kisser. a little mechanical on skills and attitude, but overall very nice. call her direct at 06-540-3188 or write to her at kasatri69@hotmail.com
11.)fat white cow - - “dana”, 30y.o. independent german girl. 5’-4”, 150 lbs., 36-d, absolutely “zero” limits, pretty good at everything. she was the highlight of my visit to bkk - - i ass-fucked her and simultaneously choked the dawg-shit out of her, all the while i was pretending that she was my ex-wife. definitely good therapy. i needed that. call her at 09-882-7311.
12.)warning - - appearance of **** entrapment scheme by thai cops - - there was one particular evening that i couldn’t help but notice that there was an unusual number of very little (10yo-13yo) girls walking about late at night on the suk-stroll, all dressed-up like the big girls and wearing make-up. it seemed odd. i noticed this three times in one evening, and the whole thing looked very staged. i always see lots of kids, usually family of street vendors, and they are obviously just good little kids. this was different. in each case, the little girl was accompanied by an older-sister type, and big-sister would make eye-contact and smile, and invariably there would be a watchful black-clad jack-booted thai cop 20-30 meters away. too obvious. this ain’t phnom penh, and the suk-stroll ain’t k-ll. wasn’t it just one or two months ago that some hapless punter got popped for trying to short-time the flower girl at nana? revenues are down and the cops need the money . . . (stay vigilant, and don’t be stupid)
over and out for now,
byeon kwang sae
joe_zop
Never thought about it that way; the few Thai cases got it outside the Kingdom.....
The train for the airport leaves in 24 minutes. Tomorrow night: Patong Beach :D
ph (a little bit less worried)
Many reports have been added to this board about SARS. Some posters on this site see it as a problem some do not. Below is a full report done for a large US Corporation about SARS and the risk involved with it.
I have left all the sources in place for those who want to check the facts.
Bottom line for this report is that The death rate from SARS in Hong Kong is around 2.5%. This is dramatically lower than the death rate for "typical"pneumonia in Hong Kong , which is around 12%. Also like most flu it is the old, weak and those who are in poor health who die.
Sexreview
The Report
Pneumonia in Hong Kong
In Hong Kong the "normal" annual number of cases of pneumonia is in the range 15,000 - 25,000
(Source: Hong Kong Medical Association http://www.hkma.org/english/care/SARS-report-Eng.ppt )
The normal number of deaths due to pneumonia in Hong Kong is in the range 2,000-3,000
(Source: HK Government Health Department Annual Report at http://www.info.gov.hk/dh/publicat/index.htm )
The vast majority of these deaths from pneumonia occur amongst the elderly. For example, in year 2000 there were 3,041 deaths from pneumonia, of which only 75 were in people age 44 or lower.
(Source: Health Department report, ibid)
Influenza and pneumonia and similar viruses in other places
According to the WHO, influenza causes between 250,000 and 500,000 deaths worldwide every year.
(Source: WHO at: http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/2003/fs211/en/ )
This Outbreak of SARS
The cumulative total number of cases in HK as of 8 April was 928. There have been 25 people who have died with symptoms of the disease. Almost all of the deaths where the age has been reported have been 60+, with at least 4 being 80+.
Of the identified cases, 138 have now been discharged, and a further 116 are being treated in Intensive Care Units.
Details of those dying
As far as I can gather from the released data the deaths to date in HK include the following:
1. The original (male) doctor from China
2. The businessman airlifted from Hanoi
3. Undefined (at Pamela Youde Eastern Hospital)
4. A patient already in Prince of Wales Hospital because they had severe heart disease
5. A patient already in PWH with very advanced severe liver disease
6. Undefined
7. Undefined
8. Undefined
9. An elderly man with blood disease
10. A middle-aged man with hepatitis
11. Undefined
12. An 83 year old man with a history of heart disease
13. undefined
14. A 79 year old man with a history of heart disease
15. A 62 year old man who was very ill when admitted
16. An 83 year old man
17. A 56 year old man with a history of chronic heart disease
18. A 73 year old man with a history of chronic illness
19. An 81 year old man with a history of chronic illness
20. A 52 year old man with a history of chronic illness
21. A 68 year old woman
22. A 71 year old woman
23. A 78 year old woman
24. A 74 year old man with a history of chronic disease
25. An 81 year old man with a history of chronic disease
(Source: Department of Health press releases )
We also know from the comments of Dr Margaret Chan (Director of Department of Health) to Amcham (American Chamber of Commerce) – sorry, no online link available – that of the first 17 deaths 11 were aged 65 or over, and 14 had pre-existing chronic illnesses. The three without pre-existing illnesses delayed seeking treatment until after having symptoms for more than a week. Dr Chan noted that for those seeking treatment within the first days of showing symptoms and who had no pre-existing chronic illness the treatment regime has been show to be extremely effective.
Analysis
There are a three questions that need to be addressed in assessing the relative risk from SARS:
1. How easy is it to catch (in the sense of developing symptoms) this pneumonia?
2. If you do catch it, what is the chance of being seriously ill (which I will define as in Intensive Care) or dying from it?
3. How do these risks compare with others that are accepted as a "normal" or "acceptable" level of risk in living in Hong Kong or elsewhere?
1. How easy is it to catch?
From the data on the Amoy Gardens case it appears that about 1 in 5 of the people in that building have shown some symptoms. (Based on press reports of 200+ units in the affected building and HK average of about 5 people per household.) This makes it similar to common colds or influenza, but much easier to catch than "typical" pneumonia.
It is clearly not something that is caught automatically just by being in the same building / bus / environment as an infected person (as 35,000 people at last weekends HK Sevens, or the many attending the recent Jockey Club meetings have seen).
There does not yet seem to be any published data on whether prior immunity to other similar viruses offers any protection against SARS, although initial research shows it to be in the same family as measles and mumps. However, it is clear that most people who come in contact with the virus do not develop symptoms of pneumonia.
2. Who dies from it?
Only about 12% of the people who develop symptoms are ill enough to require intensive care. It appears that the remaining 88% recover sufficiently to be discharged within about two to three weeks.
The mortality rate is around 2.5%. This is dramatically lower than the mortality rate for "typical" pneumonia in HK, which is around 12%.
Beyond the first three cases where the disease was essentially unknown and there was no defined treatment regime, there is no data to shown that otherwise healthy individuals have died from SARS.
I cannot find published data on the people in 12% of people who require Intensive Care, but it would seem reasonable to postulate that these are people who have other health problems or who are elderly.
The youngest person reported to have died from SARS in Hong Kong was 39; her previous health condition was not reported.
The majority of people dying from SARS appear to be men.
3. How high is the risk relative to others?
a) Death
Since SARS was first publicized (on 11 March) - i.e. in 27 days - there have been 25 deaths from "atypical" pneumonia.
In the same period the expected number of deaths in HK from "typical" pneumonia is over 200.
In that same period, over 100 people in HK would be expected to die from accidental injury or poisoning (of which about 12 would be from transport accidents, and a further 12 from accidental poisoning).
b) Serious Illness
There are 116 SARS sufferers in Intensive Care.
In year 2000 there were the following number of cases of these serious diseases in HK:
Tuberculosis 7578
Viral hepatitis 683
Bacillary dysentry 310
Typhoid 105
Source for all illness/mortality data: Health Department Annual Report 2000/2001.
Even ignoring the age effect, SARS is not high on the list of infectious diseases.
Overall Conclusion
For a person of working age in good health SARS does not seem to be a cause for serious concern.
Well, I have visited BKK only twice and I heard that you can actually get some cheap screws from the streetwalkers at Lumpini Park. Can anybody tell me is there okay and what are the experiences there?
TQ
PosterLion
04-10-03, 01:39
six strange days in bangkok
trip report – apr 1st – apr 7th
04/01
arrive 10:30pm and take taxi to the majestic
taxi: 300b and change via superhighway. i don’t remember how much change.
majestic: 1295b per day. small room, teeny free breakfast, close to nana, never changes.
arrive nana at 12:30am and go to the mandarin. nice girls and hardly any customers. i take home a southern girl that convinced me with a lap dance. 600b bar fine and she says “up to you on the price.” give her 1500b at 8am the next day, she didn’t bat an eye and stayed until 1pm for another round. bbj, cfs, and fs (came in her guts... oops!) i think the power of procreation must be very strong. she was pretty hot and good enough in bed. 27 y/o with two kids. it’s amazing how well the thai girls recover from pregnancy. tight and right.
04/02 – 04/03
check email and set up date with a girl from icq. she tells me to call her at 2pm. i went back to the hotel to call at 2pm but forget you have to dial 0 first in thailand and got the wrong number both times. more on this later.
arrive soi cowboy at 7pm. check out afterskool with a swede i met while having a beer. two girls give me a hand job for 300b each. i think it took them 15 minutes or so. one of the girls got spurted on the cheek.
the swede and i headed for [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s. a real skanky fat girl came over and chatted me up with her hand. the mamasan winks so i say what the hell. i don’t remember how much but i am pretty sure it was the standard price. the swede and i took notes of our prices. the deed was not spectacular but she had to work for it. i was really drunk by now. not staggering, just too drunk for sex.
swede asks me if i know directions to the thermae. i’d never been but i knew the whereabouts. we arrive there shortly after leaving [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s. this report might get difficult to follow from this point on. a lot happens that is hard to explain.
i find a girl that is perfect for me. she spoke good english. in other words, she didn’t speak bar girl. 1500b for all night she says. i am so enamored with her i just grabbed her hand out the door and all the way to the majestic. it’s not often i hold a thai girls hand on the street but it is necessary when you are dragging them. perfect tear drop c cup, and ass so tight a bubble i can’t describe it, and she spoke english and kissed like she was in love. we spent two days in the room except for one excursion to go eat near wtc. she never even looked in a department store window or anything like that. it was groovy.
04/04
at 9am she left, telling me to call her around 4pm. she was 22, no kids, sweet as molasses and i know, there isn’t an inch of her i didn’t taste.
i go check the internet and i have message from icq girl. she says she is now in pattaya because she did not want to be alone and was very sad because i didn’t call her. i tell her i had called but called the wrong number because i did not dial the 0 first. it was true too, i figured out my mistake in my mind after wondering how i could have written her number down wrong. she says she come back tomorrow and i ask her to call me at my hotel when she arrives in bkk.
i call the beautiful 22 year old three times and each time a guy answers. i’m very sad, maybe depressed, i knew it was too good to be true. i drink and sulk for an hour in my room. then i decide to go to the thermae, thinking maybe she is there working. it sounds like a good idea so i contemplate it while butterflying through the go go bars at nana. talk to one girl, she immediately tells me how she not lie and how she like white guys. i smile and kind of puke inside. i thought about going with her just to forget the 22 year old but i decide to stick to the plan.
arrive at thermae maybe 10pm. i am pretty sadly drunk. walk around two three times and do not see the perfect one. i talk to an american that is hitting on a girl that is pretty cute, actually she was pretty sexy. he was quibbling over 300b, she wants 1500 and he offers 1200. plenty of good looking girls there, but i want the perfect one, so sad.
i get up to leave thinking no sex tonight, just go home and sleep. as i approach the front door there is a girl sitting in the same chair as perfect girl. i think it is perfect girl and walk on over. it is a carbon copy of perfect girl but 37 instead of 22. she is one damn beautiful girl so i say hello. she is from ubon ratchathani and perfect girl was from si saket. they must be related i am thinking. they both have the ultra soft thin hair that makes little curls if it is not straightened. she asks me if i want to play pool and i say sure.
we take cab to soi nana and when we pass majestic i steer her in the door. we sit in the room drinking thai whiskey and all the beer too. she very funny, gets many phone calls and let me listen in on them. a farang from america calls her and various and sundry others. it is a kick to listen in. suddenly she asks if i like ganja and i say of course. then she is on the phone at 3am waking people up to find some, no luck. by this time we’d already taken showers and we started some olympic gymnastics on the bed. it was amazing this girl and i. i discover multiple bruises on my back the next day, but i get ahead of the story again.
after gymnastics i tell her a summarized version of a dostoyevsky story called white nights. i have to translate it to intermediate bar girl language but she understands and cries at the end just like i always do. we fall asleep holding each other and wake at 10am the next day.
04/05
a man calls and she holds finger to mouth, i behave and stay quiet. she hangs up and say she has 9pm appointment that lasts 2 hours. then she asks me if i like yaba. i not understand her so she describes the effect of the drug and i realize what she is talking about. i never try it but have done similar things in other lives so i say sure let me try. ganja 150b and yaba 250b. i give her 2000b and she tells me she will be back at 12pm.
it was mistake to give her that much money because i was thinking that it included her fee. she comes back with enough ganja to last me a month. i start laughing, oh well, i will be sure and explain better next time. she does not have the yaba yet but no problem. i make a pipe from a beer can and have a few tokes. man that stuff was good, i could barely keep my eyes open. she is lying on the bed watching the tube and i rest my head on her stomach about to fall asleep from the ganja. i say “wow, ganja good,” and she strokes my hair for like an hour. then she says, what takes her so long (the yaba delivery). she calls the friend and finds out it will be another hour. after this she rolls me over on my back and gives me what i suppose to be an eden experience. she had eaten every part of my body by the time i come. and she knew when i would come and back it off, maybe three or four times. when i did come, it was unbelievable. just after this the phone rings, it is icq girl.
i answer and the 37 year old sexpert is quiet for me to talk. i tell the icq girl i’ll meet her at 8pm. i think this coincides nicely with 37 year olds 9pm appointment. icq girl says that is too late so i counter with 7pm meeting at the starbucks at siam center. she gives the thumbs up and it’s a date.
37 year old gets phone call from connection, she’s downstairs outside somewhere. 37 year old recalls phone number of connection and tells me to go outside and call it. i am a little nervous, is this a setup? i think it is not, have been watching 37 year old, she needs the yaba i think so i go outside and call. the phone is answered and i am told she is in front of landmark. i say i am walking and there she is, we both hang up the phones.
it is a mom with her 3.5 year old son; the boy starts crying very loudly. i take them into the majestic and the staff looks perplexed. i tell them, we go upstairs, boy cry because he needs toilet. they say okay and up we go.
learn how to make yaba smoking implements from the 37 year old. all you need is an empty package of cigarettes for the raw material, quite genius i think. 37 year old and i smoke a tablet apiece and all is good. the connection and her son leave at 6:30pm.
then the icq girl calls and i tell her i am just leaving. i don’t want to go because the 37 year old is saying, “fuck too much on yaba.” but being the gentleman i am i explain that i have an appointment and i don’t leave people hanging. she gets teary eyed and says she not like to be alone. i am sad but tell her i will be back after she has had her appointment at 9pm. i tell her she can stay in the room until it is time for her appointment and that is what she does. i kiss her goodbye and head to siam center from the nana station.
sit outside of starbucks waiting for about 30 minutes. she arrives and is not bad but not so great either. she is tall and thin, one quarter chinese and three quarter thai. she is hungry, wants vietnamese food. i am on yaba, don’t want food but go with her and have some. she eats less than me, i wonder if that is why she is so skinny, hmmm.
we go to a new bar on khaosan rd. (i think part of the name was “silk”). we sit outside drinking and smoking. i am a combination of hemmingway, miller, and dostoyevsky; everything i say is perfect. she is out of university (drama major), 23 year old orphan that got adopted by a middle class family in phrae. real dad died before she was born, mom gives her to real dad’s grandma, and grandma gives her to an adopted family. she lives in a condo with no job and i think daddy is footing the bill.
after two hours she asks me if we could go to my hotel where it is quiet. i knew the danger but could not help it, “let’s go,” i says.
outside the hotel i pull her aside and say, look... “i said you can come over but i warn you, there might be a women up there." she is not too happy about this but i tell her that i have to make sure she knows about this whether the girl is up there or not. she decides to come up with me. she is appalled that they require her id card and in the room tells me that she can not believe she came into a hotel with a man that is not 5 stars. this leads to some intelluctual tom-foolery-babble from me.
we talk for a while; i tell her 37 year old is probably coming back. actually, i know she is because i notice her mobile phone charger on the desk. she says no good but she is weakening a little. i tell her i’ll not bring her up and then she is pretty happy with her victory. the phone rings and it is the 37 year old, she asks me if i am with my friend and i say yes. i ask her how the photo shoot went. she says good but she needs her charger and has no money money. i tell her to drop by and she says no problem.
talk to daddy’s girl and she is starting to kiss me. i am amazed at all this and am thinking about writing an article about thai women for this board, and i have actually started it. hahaha. :)
okay, back to the story. phone rings and it is the front desk, god bless ‘em, trying to protect me and all. they say there is a girl down here that claims to know me, i say, “well put her through then.” i speak with miss 37 and tell her i am coming down. the daddy’s girl smiles that i am shoeing her off.
i grab the phone charger and check my back pocket. the 2000b i folded up in the bathroom is there. i figure i’ll hand her the charger and the money at the same time and there will be no scene. actually, miss 37 was great and she is my type, she says no problem, be happy. i give her a hug and say “please don’t hate me too much, i’ll call you tomorrow.” she smiles but with a machine gun smile. all is well.
back upstairs daddy’s girl [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) me. cfs, bbj, hand washes me in the shower, i feel like such an ass. we talk all night and some things of note. she told me that if she would have had to leave she would have gone home and killed herself. this made me very nervous. once, when she had my balls in her hand, she said, “can i tell you something?”
i said i didn’t know, “is it good or bad?
she says she doesn’t know. i told her if it is something like i am going to cut you with a knife that i would consider that bad. she said, “no, it’s not that, i love you.”
i gulped and kind of wanted to escape but i did my best. she wanted to screw all the time. one time she start to hand job me and i almost come, then she say, “ha, wait two hours.” i had no problem with it. at some point we both crashed.
04/06
the next day was more and more bizarre. i was finding out things about daddy’s girl that made me more and more nervous. this was after the phone rang at 11am and it was perfect 22 on the line. she says, “don’t you want to meet up for the picture you wanted?” well, i am in no position for that and i feigned to be hung over and said i would call back. i could not believe she called.
daddy’s girl asks who it is and i say it is 37 year old. she says why did she call after last night. i say i don’t know and then i say well, it’s just that i am so damn likable. she start to get all strange a few times and feigns passing out on the bed and stuff. i play along with it but one time her mobile rang and she snapped out of it pretty quick. i think this girl has major problems in the mind and i feel like i am walking on egg shells. how do i get rid of her without causing a complete scene?
i tell her i am supposed to call the 37 year old back because the other reason she called is because she forgot something. daddy’s girl wants to know what it is and i show her the ganja. then she lightens up and i tell her i was on yaba and that i had smoked it with 37 year old before i came to meet her at starbucks. she looked me up and down and pretty much said i guess she could understand that i went out and got a girl cause she was in pattaya and should have been here. then she looked at the bed and said she did not like it that another girl had been here first. it went on and on. i can’t believe she still liked me but she did. i told her my whole mongering story from the day after i was divorced. she said she and a friend had been thinking about an expose on bar girls and i told her if you need a mans perspective i could lend a hand.
i won’t bore you guys any longer, well, just a little longer. i am writing this up like it was a story, maybe i can make some money money on it too, who can tell, this is bangkok!
i did meet up with 37 for two hours, the daddy’s girl allowed me that so that i could say goodbye and give her the ganja, and she waited for me in my room. the 37 year old is very nice. i explain that i have a suicidal thai girl from a rich family in my room and she laughs. her friend is not happy because she went with a farang for two weeks in pattaya and he skipped out on her. then 37 tells me that the night i left her in my room a girl called and even though she told her she was just a friend and that her and i had not had sex she hung up loudly. this had to be the 22 year old and even she called back the next day. i think i better do something about that one. i am going to miss them all and will be calling back again. :)
04/07
the next day i take daddy’s girl to a beer bar to play pool. she was too funny. she says she is worried about her status. i tell her she should have thought about her status before she met me. then she says, “i wonder if i can take my shoes off in here?” i howl with laugher and tell her to just do it and that all that could happen is they ask you to put them on or kick us out. she goes over to a bar girl and asks if it is okay, what do you think she got in response? “up too you!” hahahahahahaha...
we hung out until i had to catch my plane and i said goodbye and got in the taxi.
in summary: i think that long-time is an easy 1500b in bangkok. your mileage may vary, and i don’t recommend everything i do for everyone.
poster...
Great report, PosterLion -- thanks! Gotta be cautious with the ya ba ladies as they can be a bit crazy at times (one of the side-effects of meth addiction, and ya ba is definitely addictive) presuming you or I can tell the difference between that and normal TG craziness :) Seems like we'll get plenty of practice with that in the states as well, since it's now making it into the clubs here as an ecstacy replacement.
JuiceSpike
04-10-03, 05:42
Poster,
Great report.
I'm convinced that the best drama is in Bkk. The decadence, easy sex, easy money, desperation and the bizarre stories the girls come up with... Nowhere else in the world you get to experience so much life with a hooker. The more you get to know them, the stranger it gets but it's so much fun and worth every experience you can get. The best part is when the morning comes and you hit the streets of Bangkok it feels like the night before never happened, life is back to normal. The night before feels like a dream, sometimes a nightmare...
juice.
Just back from the LOS. Had a strange couple of days as my regular angel was busy...Ended up in Bottoms Up in Nanna outside admiring the view. Now I had just been playing cricket for a week so I was a bit sore limbed when a cute dark number came over and started to give a bit of a massage. She was mid twenties and sweet. I checked her hands and clearly she could massage. (Look at the fingernails and the tips of the fingers.) She could!!!!
What a sweetheart. She really did everything she could to please me and raced off to the 7-11 to buy oil and talc.
Back to the room and a very thorough shag/BBBJ. This was followed by about an hours oil massage which I would rate as a 9. Once finised another very good shag and a CIM as the finale.
Next morning another light massage for 30 mins and shag / CIM.
Bht BF 500. LT 1,500 - This could have gone on all day as far as I could make out. Unfortuanately I had to do some work.
Verdict - If in doubt find a girl with massage skills as it makes the whole thing a real treat.
Wayne
Dick Johnson
04-11-03, 04:02
Hey Posterlion:D good report.
On another note, the Thai Government is giving 1 million baht to all SARS (dead)victim's families. There isn't alot of SARS going around in Thailand at this point.
Originally posted by Dick Johnson
Hey Posterlion:D good report.
On another note, the Thai Government is giving 1 million baht to all SARS (dead)victim's families. There isn't alot of SARS going around in Thailand at this point.
DJ,
I saw in the Bangkok Post that they raised the amount from 1 million to 2 million baht for anyone who is Thai and contacts sars while in country at Songkran.
Sexreview
Dick Johnson
04-11-03, 06:23
Yeah sexrvw, they raised it to 2 mil, just today I believe.
But one have to die to receive it(for your family, and if you have no known family, maybe to your Thai Girlfriend:D)
Thailand at this point is not too dangerous.
With quarantines at the airports etc.
But Rolling Stones canceled/postponed their concert!
Apparently it is due to some other reason but that may only be an excuse so as not to [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) off the Thai government and people.
If the swedish man, approx. 50 years old, who was staying at the Nana Hotel and who barfined a approx. 4 foot 10 inch, 42kg medium brown skin girl named Kung from a beer bar in Asoke Plaza Feb. 11, I have some important infomation you should know.
She was the girl who didn't sleep and was trying to cry silently.
If you are the guy you can reach me at superdaawg@yahoo.com
PosterLion
04-11-03, 12:47
THE BOTTOM LINE for SIX STRANGE DAYS IN BANGKOK
I thought it might be a good idea to post how much I actually spent on this trip. I think anyone that plans to spend one week in Bangkok should use this as a rough guide for costs, airfare and hotel will vary, as well as the level of your vice.
As can be seen from my report, I made a mistake or two financially, especially the ganja oversupply fiasco. Again, your mileage will vary, but this is a sobering report once it is all added up.
Norok!
poster...
Date----------XTN-----Baht-------Dollars-------EXC Rate
=======---===----======-======----=======
02-28-2003---AIR--------26662----638.57----------41.79 (Hypothetical rate)
04-01-2003---EXC---------4000----100.00----------40.00 (Airport exchange - hypothethical rate)
04-02-2003---ATM--------10000----235.62--------42.44 (Actual)
04-05-2003---ATM---------5000----117.21---------42.65 (Actual)
04-07-2003---ATM---------2000-----46.88---------42.66 (Actual)
04-07-2003---ATM---------1500-----35.16---------42.66 (Actual)
04/07/2003---HTL---------9168----219.34---------41.79 (Actual)
Total Withdrawals:--------58330--1392.78
Baht in Pocket:-------------1230-----28.83
Total Spent:---------------57100--1363.95
Per day cost:----------------9517---227.33
P.S. Forgive my lack of report making skills. :)
Dick Johnson
04-11-03, 15:16
You are too modest Posterlion:).
Hi guys,
Where do I find the best threesome around Sukhumvit?
Originally posted by Mr Z
Hi guys,
Where do I find the best threesome around Sukhumvit?
Mr Z
If you look around in the clubs you can find a couple of girls that will do a threesome but that can be hit or miss. Your best bet is a trip to Eden Club Soi 7-1, threesomes is all that they do in the club. Check out the Eden Web Site www.edenclub-bkk.com.
Sexreview
Hi !
I took some pictures of action during my last trip to Pattaya, and I am not talking scenery or sunset pictures but action pictures with cute girls. Anyone who wants to swap with me ? Would love to see how you guys had it. Have a report given in Pattaya section.
Mail me at villhakul@yahoo.com
On the WHO site today there are still only seven SARS cases listed as being reported in Thailand, with all of those now having a final disposition -- two people dead, five listed as recovered. So as of right now there is no one in Thailand who is reported to have the disease.
Well Guys hit Bangkok around midnight Sunday. About the flight, no one on the planes. My 777 from Newark had 100 empty seats on it going to Tokyo. The 747 from Tokyo had about 200 empty on it. Best part was upgraded to Business class from Newark. Could have also upgraded on Bangkok leg but plane was so empty didn't see the need.
About the Airport:
Came in on Northwest Flight 1, no problems health peole at the airport but they had no interest in Tokyo flight. THe Hong Kong plane that came in had every person stopped and checked. Made it through airport in 20 minutes. Metered taxi to Nana Hotel, 50 baht airport fee + 139 meter + 70 baht for toll road.
Nana Area:
It was slow not a normal Sunday night, only about 50-60 girls in Angels Disco. And very few girls in the lobby, at 3:30 am I walked throught 4 girls total sitting around.
About Songkran:
A little water last night but unlike in past years not throwing buckets in Nana Area. They would pour a little over your hand. Paper said last week pump up water guns are banned but everyone had them. If the hit you with them just a little. We will see today.
Girls:
Things have been slow girls seemed to be hungry and prices down. Found a nice one in the lobby, did everything and never evn asked how much I pay her.
Well, off to handle a few things will report later. One last thing it is very hot. But still worth being here.
Sexreview
James D 2004
04-14-03, 07:24
Need some help here. In my experience and what I heard from tourists all my life, a type of traditional Thai massage is for the girl to stand on you and walk all over you, sometimes with the help of something on the ceiling to lighten the load. But for 90 pounders, they just walk on you sometimes both feet at the same time.
I would thing that's very typical in the sex industry. I'm surprised that some guys didn't experience that for a massage. That's my question, is the massage using body weight, walking on you typically offered?
If you go into a massage parlor, you probably don't get that automatically because most guys want to do their own things at the start, and the Thai girls are very accommodating. My experience is more of all nighters. With plenty of time, the lighter girls always do that to please me.
Dick Johnson
04-14-03, 10:12
LMAO:D Samus, it is safer to be with the US army in Iraq then enjoy Songkran in Bangkok. Reduce by 20% :DLMAO.
192 killed, damn, I wonder how many injured.
Thanks sxrv for the update.
TallandDumb take your crap back to the Los Angeles board and stop jamming the airwaves here.
James D 2004
04-14-03, 18:58
Originally posted by Duckman
If the swedish man, approx. 50 years old, who was staying at the Nana Hotel and who barfined a approx. 4 foot 10 inch, 42kg medium brown skin girl named Kung from a beer bar in Asoke Plaza Feb. 11, I have some important information you should know.
She was the girl who didn't sleep and was trying to cry silently.
I never participated in this board nor too much into BKK or other lower cost SEA countries because I felt rather sad every time I stop over at BKK. Not that the girls cry or something. I had one cutie who, whenever I opened my eyes any time in the long night, I found her staring at me in front of my face. Then I had to have a go at it again. Other times we kissed and laughed all the time. I was holding her body to body when I was waiting for the last minute to check out and catch the plane. Playing with her bra strip I got excited and did the final attempt. She was happy to even thought I gave her all the tips already and she was all dressed up and ready to leave. But I failed miserably- that's the 4th or 5th attempt I didn't remember. Though another fond memory. Once I waived goodbye to her on the taxi to the airport, my heart started sinking seeing her smiling face getting smaller and smaller. God knows she must have been another one sold by her family to the brothels at 13 or 15? It is just me or anyone else had this sort of feeling from time to time?
While I can appreciate the sentiment, and there have been many TGs I've not wanted to leave, a couple of points. First, many TGs don't do a lot of sleeping, which is rather understandable -- strange bed, strange person, perhaps even hopped up on ya ba. (Though it seems I often get the ones who will gladly sleep until next week unless woken!) Second, where exactly do you get that "sold by her family into the brothels" jazz? There's just not all that much of that in Thailand and hasn't been for quite some time, and in any event most of the women we farangs are going to end up meeting in LOS are not brothel girls. They are women who have made a choice of work, for whatever reason, that generally pays handsomely compared to what the standard Thai person earns. No, it ain't a lovely life, necessarily, but it's a choice. I don't feel the need to treat them all as victims (though I can certainly have sympathy for those who feel they are compelled by circumstance to be in the trade) because they're not.
(I suggest this really belongs in the "How To Treat Thai Women" area.)
Hey Guys,
I am new to the board, l am only about 24 hours old here. A friend of mine, and now hopefully LOS traveling buddy turned me on to this board.
Well one thing that is really making me laugh is the SARS scare, now dont get me wrong its a serious thing, but there is way too much hype about it going on and scaring people.
If you look at the numbers of people that are infected with the Flu in the states, and the types of people that die from it each year (the young, and elderly), you will see that SARS is dwarfed in comparison. I work in the Emergency Medical field, and we are over whelmed with Flu cases every Nov to Dec. The Flu season here in the states is nutz, it costs lives every year, and costs everyone millions of dollars also.
I wouldnt say its a good time to travel to the infected SARS areas, but places like Thailand arent really getting that many cases. I was there in the last two weeks in March, and went through the starting of the big scare. It really didnt concern me too much, when I read what was going on, and who it was affecting the worst.
I would say if you are going to the LOS, just make sure that you wash your hands like crazy, and try not to make a lot of contact with other people. Which is a good idea for just normal health anyway. The doctors are still not sure how SARS is spread, and who knows when they will. The masks in my opinion are a waste, because if it is spread by other means, which it looks like it is, the masks are all for nothing. The only true mask that will protect you, is one that has a Hepa Filter on it. If it doesnt then the mask is useless.
Well I look forward to reading and posting more on the board. Thanks Jackson for giving me the oportunity to do so. Hopefully I can ad to the experience here with my stories in the LOS with the guy who introdiced me to paradise, my good friend Big Dawg. I love the LOS and cant get enough of it. I have been there several times in the last 4 years and will continue to go till the day I die!
Jay
Tallnhandsome,
The girls are sold off yes and no. They are made to feel its something that they must do to support the family for a while, but they are not sold off in the sense some sleezy guy comes by the village and pays mom and pop for their precious little jem of a daughter.
If you ever look at the lifestyle the girls used to have, and that which they have now, you would see that even if they were sold off they are much happier now with what they have.
They have their own apartment, a cell phone, nice clothes, jewelry, and eat like queens.
They party all night, sleep all day, and some have farangs like you or me paying them up to 10,000 baht a month not to work in the bars. When you run into a TG that gets a call from her "Boy Friend" in the middle of the night you will understand what I am talking about. It sounds like to me, even though you indulge in the pleasures that the LOS has to offer, you are a little bit jaded by the news media's view of the LOS.
The girls are free to do what they want, they work when they want, they leave with whom ever they want. Have you ever seen a girl refuse to go with a customer that has wanted to BF her? I have a few times, and if you look at the guys they do you would understand why.
What the media has to realize is, we Farangs are the ones that are being exploited. We are the ones that are prisoners of the TG. It is so hard for me to not get emotionaly attached to some of the girls I go with sometimes. The first few times I went there, I actually thought I had the chance of finding a wife. a really good chance. Now I see that I would have to look long and hard to find the right girl to bring back here, and I still havent done it over the past 4 years.
There is some slavery going on there in the LOS, but its us that is en-slaved not the girls my firend.
But thats just this Dawgs opinion, I could be wrong....
Lates, Jay
James D 2004
04-14-03, 21:08
joe, right place or not, I'm talking my own guilty feeling rather than how to treat a TG. Sold to brothels is a bit over the top. I would guess many of the "smaller" girls are country girls who "helped" to support their family as soon as they are old enough, by working in BKK. For that particular girl, she was outstanding on the lineup some 15 to 20 feet away, out of about 20 smaller girls, behind several girls who sit on the sofa right in front of me, that I was not too keen on. When I picked her and she walked to the front, I found out that she was smaller than I though, but never thought about her age. Once I asked her age, my guide from the hotel said 15, but she tried very hard (no english) to convince me that she is 18. Can be a little bit older too, can't tell. At her grand young age she is very professional. She is a minimalist. Her cute tiny purse has only several things, of which every bit serve a purpose, like a little toothbrush. She is very careful about her body, ate very little with me, and drink only water the whole night. Very conscious that her body is her assert in her very long career ahead of her. Very up tight at first. But opened up once she know my money is not that hard to earn. Called backed to say that she will be late as she would be waiting with me in the hotel until my afternoon plane. Talked a lot and laughed non stop in the phone and god knows what she was telling her mates. But call me sentimental, but I couldn't help feeling sad alone on the plane. But that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy a stop over once a while.
Well, postcoital guilt is postcoital guilt. If it makes you uncomfortable, maybe you should go for someone older. Personally, if I'm at all unsure of the girl's age I check their ID (just subtract 543 years from the Thai date, and you know the year) or simply decline. Your experience is also why I tend not to like lineups or fishbowls; I prefer some conversation, contact, a sense of mutual comfort and compatability first. I'm not into taking advantage of anyone, and shy away from situations where I feel that might be the case. I don't tend to share your regrets regarding the ladies in "the life" as I feel I should respect their decisions about how they want to live their lives, so my regrets tend to be about leaving someone whose company I enjoy, and the wonderful pampering and gfe that is so common in Thailand. Nothing wrong with a little melancholy, but my approach and belief is that both the TG I'm with and I are adults, and we both make our own choices.
PosterLion
04-14-03, 23:31
joe_zop,
i miss 'em too but i can't say i feel more sorry for them than any other joe or joelee. everyone is scraping it out and in some ways it's not easy for any of us.
hey, i noticed you used the term: "the life." have you seen the show on broadway by the same name? it's pretty darn good and about "the life," you are speaking of.
i'm curious, being that you like the convo and chemistry thing, where is your fav spot to find someone to talk with and take home in bangkok?
other miscellaneous comments:
1) i had a gal walk on my back once in bkk. she was just being goofy with her perfectly over-exuberant attitude. i liked it but it was just a random chance thing. i picked her up at nana back in november. i don't think she is there anymore.
2) it was hot when i was there two weeks ago. it was my first time in the hot season. i found that wearing two shirts actually keeps you cooler than one shirt. it sounds strange but i think there is some kind of scientific basis that makes it so. you high intell guys can explain it to us meek brains. :)
3) i also find it humorous that sars seems to be such a high profile low-risk news item. people are too afraid of the end to see the present.
4) most enchanting bkk moment: when she sang two songs from "miss saigon" to me while in the room. too sweet for words. ain't nothing like a girl that sings, irregardless of race or nationality.
that's all for now, bored and home from work, guess i'll daydream about the next trip for a while.
cheers,
poster...
So I've finally booked my first trip to LoS, thanks to you guys. Been lurking here for a while, and just can't wait to go after reading all your posts. Will arrive in BKK june 16, and will stay for 3 weeks. Pattaya too, and maybe some other places.
But I'm overwhelmed with information from reading here. So much to do, so little time. Will try all: gogos, soapies, Eden, etc. Will stay at Nana or GP. Not sure.
If any of you will be there at that time, and would like to share experiences, get drunk, whatever. Let me know. 30 yr old, nice looking scandinavian, novice monger.
PurpleNGold
04-15-03, 00:50
Originally posted by joe_zop
Second, where exactly do you get that "sold by her family into the brothels" jazz? There's just not all that much of that in Thailand and hasn't been for quite some time, and in any event most of the women we farangs are going to end up meeting in LOS are not brothel girls.
Joe,
I'm not going to enter into a flame war with him, but, just so you don't waste much of your time, it's already been established over on the LA board that T&H has never been to a foreign country. This stuff is all his dreams, so don't bother trying to reason with him.
PurpleNGold
04-15-03, 00:52
Originally posted by tallnhandsome
Once I asked her age, my guide from the hotel said 15, but she tried very hard (no english) to convince me that she is 18. Can be a little bit older too, can't tell. At her grand young age she is very professional.
Yikes, I know this is just your fantasy, but you're now an admitted child molester.
PosterLion
04-15-03, 01:06
To think how many people this board has corrupted boggles the mind. :)
James D 2004
04-15-03, 01:13
originally posted by purplengold
joe,
i'm not going to enter into a flame war with him, but, just so you don't waste much of your time, it's already been established over on the la board that t&h has never been to a foreign country. this stuff is all his dreams, so don't bother trying to reason with him.
i don't want to start a flame war too but this is direct personal attack, that i have to reply. if you actually go the the la board, you can see that nothing is "established". it is this guy who attack me when i mentioned that feet use and walk over is very typical of thai massage. i have pictures and websites to prove it in the la board. it is this guy who didn't seem to experience backwalking at all.
i'm glad that some of you guys have feelings too. let me open up a little bit more, excuse me but it's therapeutic. i totally agree with chemistry that sort of thing. but sometimes it's destiny. that time 3 of the 4 girls sitting in front of me i was happy to take out, but i couldn't make up my mind. i also thought about hitting the fully grown woman in charging with good english. in hot pants but i doubt if she was game. i didn't ask anyway, she could be the most expensive one. they thought i wasn't happy with any of the girls and started sending some 20 girls to lineup at the end of the house. i picked up my girl with ease. after an hour or two i knew why. she looked like my 1st girl friend at 16 years old. of course the chemistry was there - never left my arms, eye to eye. couldn't stop laughing looking at each other.
ps would you ever trust a guide working in the hotels?
Thanks, PNG, it becomes clearer with every post.
PosterLion, I haven't seen the show you mention but it definitely sounds intriguing. I find I don't really have a favorite place in Bangkok to find TGs, to be honest. I've done the Biergartens, Thermae, various beer bars and gogos, etc., and I find it really doesn't matter all that much because there's sure enough to choose from all over. I'm not someone who's absolutely got to have astonishing model quality, and there are enough women who are "only" beautiful. :) I tend to wander up and down Sukhuvit with no particular destination just because there are so many spots and ladies I can't possibly get to them all, so it's kind of fun to find someplace new. Sorta depends on my mood, and the ability to indulge that is one of the reasons LOS is so wonderful.
Vin, have a blast and send us some reports!
Samus Aran,
The deathtoll for NewYear and ChineseNewYear is higher.
Every year, for years now.
600-700 dead in just a few days every year.
Come to Thailand and enjoy (but know when to stay off the roads...).
Originally posted by joe_zop
Well, postcoital guilt is postcoital guilt. If it makes you uncomfortable, maybe you should go for someone older. Personally, if I'm at all unsure of the girl's age I check their ID (just subtract 543 years from the Thai date, and you know the year) or
The easy way to do the age is just remember the Thai year for 2003 is 2546, so if a girls is 19 or older she must be born in the year 2527 or before. If she is born in 2528 she is 18 or will turn 18 later this year check month on ID. Anything after 2528 is trouble.
Sexreview
Originally posted by JayDawg
Hey Guys,
I am new to the board, l am only about 24 hours old here. A friend of mine, and now hopefully LOS traveling buddy turned me on to this board.
Jay
JDAWG,
I know you from your post on the other board. I know you will find this site to be a better site in many ways. It is a friendly board much less fighting than on the other site. Also many more postings for a seasoned Thailand traveler like yourself. You will find better current information here. Eric's site is just the same old
stuff reposted. I did post on his site for a long time but I have no plans to ever visit that site again. And the "Fishing" has been great here in Bangkok the last few days.
Sexreview
The Pieman
04-15-03, 06:54
Hi Guys,
Just returned from Bangkok and thought you might like to know about a little place with a nice surprise.
A little of the main drag, although a $2 cab-ride back to the Nana area.
The name of the hotel is Intown Residence and located at 30st-31st Soi and on the New road in Bangkrak.
Thai / Chinese run and clean and guest friendly.
After checking in I thought I would take advantage of the "Traditional Massage" in my room. A full two hours of kosher massage $7.Towards the end of the session my John Thomas had come alive and I was in need of relief. Absolutely no problem and after a few careful strokes there I was jumping up for my condom. Dutifully she removed her jeans and revealed a welcoming box! This was over within minutes and she was very happy with the "$10 tip"
The following morning I had business in the South of Thailand and had a scheduled flight at 3pm. While having coffee I noticed this fair asian cutey and after an intro found out she was from China.She disappeared and I left to check out.
Once on the road outside my cutey appeared with her friend who had a gorgeous face and hips to die for in a see through dress!
Her friend spoke a little better English and asked me if I would like to nail the pair of them now. A full session for $120 was offered.
Not being able to re-schedule my flight I passed and subsequently have regretted not taking advantage of these China dolls.
I hope someone who reads this checks the hotel and finishes where I left off.
Keep me posted guys.
bangkok report day two:
if you want to do anything here during songkran, except chase girls, do it early in the day. by 11:30 the streets turned into a water fight. you could not get from nana hotel to sukhumvit road without getting a bath. i found it funny that the day and night bar had a big sign outside "no water please" but people in the bar throwing it out, just the thai way i guess. last night monday started at nana entertainment plaza, rainbow 1 was dead until 8:30 when things picked up. several good looking girls in the place. left went to dinner at the place over foodland, thai two, on soi 5. the food is good and less people than downstairs at the foodland bar. two people lite diner 300 baht.
then went on to asoke plaza lots of water, not good for the cameras but i put them in a zip lock bag and that worked well. a quick stop at [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)'s a great bj bar and on to soi cowboy, busy not alot of water. dollhouse is better than ever, they have added girls, and a couple of new shows. dart blowing is now on the menu. many girls dancing topless and several very good ones. andy runs a class operation for sure. stayed for about two hours. they made a point of staying the bar fine is still only 500 baht and they have a new food menu.
from soi cowboy back to nana but not before getting hit by a water bath at asoke, but the girl lost this one, she threw a half gallon i picked up her ten gallon supply and it was all over. after changing clothes, back to nana entertainment. hollywood rock ii was interesting. the owner was having his own water fight inside the bar. nothing better than every server in a wet shirt. by 1:30 am water everywhere. my server came by and put my phone in a plastic bag. prices are down, my friend had a girl 8.0-8.25 offer lt for 1000 baht and very open to his needs. i took a real looker who worked out great but kept her only a few hours same deal paid 1000 baht plus 600 bf. nana lobby still holds many girls to pick from most happy at 500 baht. well just killing a little time and off to eden club next will report later.
from bangkok,
sexreview
Thanks, Samus. Didn't know Nana hotel was that bad. I want a nice hotel, with fairly large rooms and clean bathroom. Doing lots of research, but like I said I'm sort of overwhelmed with all the info.
And yes, all my experiences will be posted here.
vindorum@yahoo.com
Posterlion
Yes I forget about singing. This can be quite enchanting while waiting for the second or third round of the Viagra to kick in! Better than watching some gameshow or whatever. I always try to find out if the TG has any hidden talents.
I recently was surprised by some top quality massage.
In these hard economic times it is well worth while to get extra value for money.
I still recommend the Bht 500 performance clause. Cuts out the starfish type experiences!!
Wayne
Originally posted by skinless
Thaipan: I am not complaining about them showering. I am complaining about them using the towels, all of them. I am looking for a solution to this. Philo says get n+1 towels. But they will each use 2 towels or more. The only way is to have a secret stash of towels (and toilet paper).
Easy hide th towels under the bed if you are that worried or ask house keeping for more! :-)
I have never experienced any BG that I have taken ST or LT using all the towels but hey who knows what might happen in LOS!
I have been home now for 2 weeks and am suffering severe withdrawl symptoms! Planning new trip for October but that seems like years away!!!
Thaipan
I have now been home for 2 weeks and it seems like a life time ago that I left BKK! I had 3 trips to BKK within 14 days on a fairly gruelling business trip that also included Manila and Singapore. BKK was a convenient place (as ever) to get over my initial jet lag for the weekend before going on to Manila for a week, then back to BKK for the weekend, then on to Singapore for 2 days, followed by 2 more glorious nights in BKK!
Don't even think about the itinerary, it was pretty bizarre but I enjoyed myself!
The first weekend is posted here already, the middle weekend was wonderful: I got back to BKK at about 6pm on Friday 21st March, straight to the J W Marriott to check in and dump my case so I could go for a fitting at Versaces for a couple of suits. That night I went to Sexy Nights again and bar fined a girl called Saw, very cute and 1000 baht LT! The next day I had a massage in the Marriotts health club, ok, no hanky panky I was saving myself for later! I did a bit of a pub crawl that night (don't go to the British Bar in Soi 4 unless you want to be depresssed by moaning ex pat Brits, a big mistake!) and ended up at Bus Stop on Soi 4 again where I met the same girls I had been chatting to the previous weekend and was welcomed "home" like a long lost brother. I was about to suggest to Nid that I pay bar for her when I caught sight of J, she was stunning, within 5 minutes of us meeting we were out of the place and into Morning & Night bar for a drink before retiring for the night! I have never felt skin so soft in my entire life! Stunning looks as well, a real 10 and a smile that would light up a dark room!
After Singapore I was back and spent a night with a girl from one of the NEP bars, I can't remember which one but I do remember we had a good time and then on my last night I went back to Bus Stop and took J out again, remember Bus Stop only has a bar fine at the weekend! We went down Soi 4 a little to another bar where a friend of hers worked and played pool for a while, then went back to the Marriott where they had very kndly upgraded me free of charge to a suite! J and I spent a night together that was out of this world, I got up early to get to the airport and we said goodbye in the reception as I checked out, the Marriott is very guest friendly!
I seem to have left a little more of me behind this trip than I intended to, I can't get the feel of her silky soft skin out of my mind nor her smile. It came right from her heart and has literally rocked my world!
Now I have to go to Dublin in May and Spain in September and am planning a return trip to LOS, Manila and Singapore in October, business of course with weekends in BKK in between! Will I go back to Bus Stop? Yes, there were some very nice girls there of all ages. Dhaeng was the youngest I met and she was 22, Nid 30, J 31 and Mum 35.
Someone on another BKK board (www.nanaplaza.com) told me a year or so ago that 1 visit to BKK would change my life forever, well I didn't believe it then and I don't believe it now but I sure do fall in love at least 25 times every day when I am in the Far East!
Another good bar to just have a drink on your own or take a BG there if you wish as there are no BG's allowed to work there is Gullivers on Soi 5, very large bar with several tv's showing sport and CNN, excellent food and service.
Good barbers are Best Barbers on Sukhumvit Rd near Soi 5, cute girls in nice uniforms, good haircut, facial massage and manicure for the miserable sum of 700 baht along with a scalp, neck, and shoulder massage! Wonderful 2 hour relaxation and you will feel like a king afterwards!
Suits and shirts from Versaces on Suk Road good quality and good price too.
Eden was - well Eden was Eden simply wonderful! Try Kung and get her to select her friend who's name I think was Ang.
Thaipan
Originally posted by vin
So I've finally booked my first trip to LoS, thanks to you guys. Been lurking here for a while, and just can't wait to go after reading all your posts. Will arrive in BKK june 16, and will stay for 3 weeks. Pattaya too, and maybe some other places.
But I'm overwhelmed with information from reading here. So much to do, so little time. Will try all: gogos, soapies, Eden, etc. Will stay at Nana or GP. Not sure.
If any of you will be there at that time, and would like to share experiences, get drunk, whatever. Let me know. 30 yr old, nice looking scandinavian, novice monger.
Vin, you will never be able to do it all in your first trip! You will be awe struck the same as the rest of us even after several trips!
The Nana is a pretty poor hotel though you might want to reconsider it, the only thing that I can see that it has going for it is it's proximity to NEP!
Have fun!
Thaipan
PosterLion
04-15-03, 15:07
Joe_Zop,
Random ambling in BKK sounds a lot like me but I have a tendency to return to a place from time to time. Just like dog! :)
The last trip it was the Thermae I returned a second time to. I was impressed more than I thought I would be. From reading most of the posts I had gotten the idea that it was a dump, an opinion I no longer have. I had some good luck there and stuck my heart on the bottom of a chair like a peice of gum to mark my spot.
But the ICQ bar (www.icq.com) is also a really good source, I can't recommend it enough. It is where I met the singer. If you spend a lot of time in front of a computer I highly advise anyone to try to meet girls in BKK this way. BKK girls will meet you 90% of the time, and all of the ICQ girls know english if they talk to you. It's really nice to have a conversation with a fluent Thai. Now I have to get off my butt and learn a little Thai so as I can reciprocate in kind.
I read on the Stickman's page that he tried ICQ and met a Katoey (ouch), I've been meaning to tell him he should try it again. lol.
Cheers!
poster...
PosterLion
04-15-03, 15:11
Wayneking,
What is a Starfish experience? I've probably had one but don't know what to call it. :)
poster...
PosterLion
04-15-03, 15:19
Samus Aran,
How long have you been in Bangkok/Thailand?
poster...
Originally posted by Thaipan
I have been home now for 2 weeks and am suffering severe withdrawl symptoms! Planning new trip for October but that seems like years away!!!
Thaipan
Glad to hear you had a nice time in BKK. I'm planning on going there again in September. It would be cool if you could schedule your trip for then. I agree with you about the withdrawl symptoms. I'm still recovering, and it has already been 2 months. I'm ready to hop back on a plane and get back there today, if I could.
Originally posted by SexReview
The easy way to do the age is just remember the Thai year for 2003 is 2546, so if a girls is 19 or older she must be born in the year 2527 or before. If she is born in 2528 she is 18 or will turn 18 later this year check month on ID. Anything after 2528 is trouble.
Sexreview
Yeah, but that changes year by year. I find just popping 5-4-3 in my head like a countdown and then doing the necessary math to be easier cause I don't need to change what number I need to remember. (I'm too old, I guess, or maybe this is an indication I've been doing this too long!) In any event, given that I rarely go quite that young on the spectrum it's generally not an issue for me.
Nice report, Thaipan, thanks.
And PosterLion, I agree that Thermae at times seems to get a bad rap -- like anywhere, there are some diamonds to be found there if you look. (Cubic zirconium as well, of course...) And to save Wayneking the trouble, a starfish experience is when a woman simply lies there spread open on the bed like a starfish on the beach, with the same amount of participation and energy.
Originally posted by PosterLion
But the ICQ bar (www.icq.com) is also a really good source, I can't recommend it enough. It is where I met the singer. If you spend a lot of time in front of a computer I highly advise anyone to try to meet girls in BKK this way. BKK girls will meet you 90% of the time, and all of the ICQ girls know english if they talk to you. It's really nice to have a conversation with a fluent Thai. Now I have to get off my butt and learn a little Thai so as I can reciprocate in kind.
I read on the Stickman's page that he tried ICQ and met a Katoey (ouch), I've been meaning to tell him he should try it again. lol.
Cheers!
poster...
I agree with your comments about the ICQ "Bar". It's one of the best ways to meet Thai girls, but you must invest the time. Make friends with the girls. While you are planning your next trip, spend time getting to know them. Then when it's about a month before your trip, let them know you are going. Heck, one ICQ friend even made my hotel arrangements for me at Grand President. She got me a price I probably wouldn't have gotten on my own, and now I use this price every time I go, and for everybody I send there. I have met all my ICQ friends in BKK and Pattaya, and I have been happy with them all. I haven't slept with all of them, but they have all become very good friends. And they have shared valuable information with me. It's good to go someplace where you have friends. Sure beats going to a foreign country and trying to figure everything out on your own.
Joe_Zop,
Quick reply on the Starfish thing. You beat me to it. Glad to see that you are always around with a quick answer. We have all experienced the "Starfish". PosterLion must be saying "Ahhhhh!!! That's what it is!!!!" right now. :) Have a great day, guys.
PosterLion
04-15-03, 16:55
Ahhhh!
yes i am! :) lol
I still remember because it was so forgettable. Funny how that works.
Thanks guys!
James D 2004
04-15-03, 18:11
Originally posted by joe_zop
Yeah, but that changes year by year. I find just popping 5-4-3 in my head like a countdown and then doing the necessary math to be easier cause I don't need to change what number I need to remember. (I'm too old, I guess, or maybe this is an indication I've been doing this too long!) In any event, given that I rarely go quite that young on the spectrum it's generally not an issue for me.
I had seen Vietnamese and Korean girls in LA who are 23 but looked like 17. And it's not just me, they actually told me that a lot of guys think that they are a lot younger than 23. My point is that you can't tell, especially if they are skinny at 5'1.
One wise webmaster with similar position as our own said that we shouldn't worry too much about forgetting to check IDs and took some 17 year old by mistake. It is those hitting on 12 year olds and the organizations that have to be worried. That make sense to me because most countries' age of consent is 16, including some US states. It's highly impractical to enforce non-uniform US laws. And that unlike TJ there would not be corrupted cops to blackmail you. Not that Thai cops are corruption free, but they wouldn't dare to do something to discourage tourism.
PurpleNGold
04-15-03, 19:22
Just wanted to add that, for those without ICQ, Yahoo! messenger has chat rooms specifically for Thailand as well. Same type of deal as the ICQ thing, chat, make friends, meet up when you visit. Sex or not, it's fun and inexpensive.
Oh, and T&H, you can't defend being a kiddie fucker: Don't even try.
t&h, this shows how little you know -- being with a sex worker under the age of 18 in thailand is illegal, and there have been far more efforts by the thai government to curb child prostitution of late, with plenty of places fined and closed for having **** workers. (the reggae pub on ko samui, for example, the most popular spot on the island, was closed for a month while i was there for exactly that. there are other reports in this area about this as well.) sure, there are still a lot of **** workers, but to pretend we're somehow magically exempt is lunacy, as, among other things, it's a classic shakedown situation. the thai police are happy to look the other way on some things, but they're also happy to increase their income, and there's nothing for managing that like threatening a farang with a few years in one of the lovely thai prisons unless baht is coughed up.
the thais don't care in the least if they discourage sex tourism with the ****d -- they'd prefer it, as it brings too much international scrutiny and negativism, and makes people look too closely at the rest of the sex trade. the thais are a pretty proud people, and the majority are discomfitted at the idea that most people think of them as a sex destination as opposed to for their countryside and culture; the last thing they want is international condemnation over ****d sex (that is what they see as harming tourism) which is why they've been cleaning things up over the past few years. my sense is that if thais had their way (and obviously this not a blanket attitude) there's be no ****d and no forced prostitution whatsoever, as then the rest could operate without having anyone from the outside world poking their condemning noses in.
and i might tell a 23-year-old she looks like she's 17, but i can sure as hell tell the difference, no matter what nationality she happens to be. if i'm not absolutely positive it doesn't take much to act like a responsible adult and check.
Hi everyone,
I have a bunch of pictures from my trip to Pattaya which I would like to share with you. The respons was that enormous that my mailbox got overloaded. I opened a Yahoo group where you can find my best ones, enjoy under
http://*************************thaipics
Please feel free to add your own pictures. I would like to see yours too.
/bide59
PurpleNGold
04-15-03, 20:04
Bide,
Thanks for sharing. I'll post some to your group after my next trip (hopefully that'll be real soon :))
James D 2004
04-15-03, 20:25
originally posted by joe_zop
t&h, this shows how little you know -- being with a sex worker under the age of 18 in thailand is illegal, and there have been far more efforts by the thai government to curb child prostitution of late, with plenty of places fined and closed for having **** workers ...
and i might tell a 23-year-old she looks like she's 17, but i can sure as hell tell the difference, no matter what nationality she happens to be. if i'm not absolutely positive it doesn't take much to act like a responsible adult and check.
thanks for the info. i'll take more care next time. as i claimed on my first post here, i limit myself to occasional stop overs in sea, including bkk. i secretly stop over somewhere if i can. stayed near the airport since bkk is a bigger sprawl than la with many centers. grabbed the nearest person / guide that solicits me and let him take me to some houses of his choice, which sometimes surprises me. i'm fairly isolated from the current affairs.
the reason that i don't make dedicated bkk trips because obvious i can't, you know what i mean. and even if i can, i limit myself to stopovers that i can explain away to anyone who will be able to examine my passport in the future. but most of all, i agree with someone who mentioned life altering experience after 1st bkk visit. if i stay there for a week or a month, i could look at the world differently and choose a different lifestyle. in my early days, once i actually cut short my stopover from several to 1 night, as i was afraid that i would spent my all my cash in the bank plus too deep in the red with my cards that i can't afford. whenever i go there, the song "one night in bangkok" always spin in my head all night long.
as for for the ages of asian girls, i knew one guy who, whenever his mates met his pretty elder sister, he has to announce that she is 30 years old, well before any love at first sight can happen. that is to avoid most of his teenage friends developing a crush on his sister, thinking that she is much younger. i totally agree with you that you can normally tell, but not after some conversations. i don't go to bars cause i'm shy or should i say i'm a very private person. so my type of girls don't normally speak english.
ps i didn't feel the need to check id's because often the guides works in the hotel. in that particular trip, he brought me to see the girls as soon as he is off duty. he brought us back to the hotel, where no one can sneak in. we have to walk pass the reception and the receptionist stopped me right there to add the charge for the 2nd person! i did feel a disapproved look from the hot receptionist. but all other male workers are quite nice, come over with any excuse to greet me like a vip and to have a closer look. continued till the next day, everybody asked "did you have a good night?" while my shy girl wouldn't leave the hotel alone, and always half a step beside and behind me.
Well, TNH, having read what you posted in the LA section, I've got to agree with PNG and other folks there -- you have absolutely no idea what Thai massage is about. I'm not disputing that you've stopped over in Bangkok and had someone come to your hotel, but having a hooker walk on your back during an overnight hardly qualifies you as an expert in Thai massage.
I've had traditional Thai massages all across LOS, in temples, in shops, on beaches, in parlors, etc., and while there are regional differences, they all have some common underlying characteristics, and those are: stretching, bending, and manipulation by the hands. Thai massage is in many ways a kind of guided yoga, where the masseuse slowly moves you into beneficial positions, generally does so slowly to emphasize stretching and minimize the chance of injury, and engages in repetitious manipulation to free up the area.
I've had numerous conversations with those giving me massages, and many have trained at one of the leading massage schools in the country, and they can easily tell you the differences between their style and the others. (There are also differences between those massage places aimed squarely at the mainstream tourist trade and those which are not.) I even made a point of running completely through the menus of two different places in Chiang Mai to try to understand the differences between the various types of services, so I could figure out what would do me the most good, so in doing this I had an average of at least one massage each day for the better part of two months, ranging from fifteen minute neck massages to four-hour full massages that left me so zoned out I could barely function. So I'm not speaking theoretically, but based on lots of experience.
I've also had massages in soapies, and while often the women will make a passable stab at Thai massage, it rarely has much to do with it, and is probably closer to Swedish massage than anything else. I did have a couple of massages where my back was walked on, but I've also had that in AMPs, and it is hardly a distinguishing characteristic of Thai massage.
It's great that you had a Thai girl walk all over you, but to go from that experience to expounding pseudo-authoritatively on Thai massage when you clearly don't know what you're talking about is a bit over the top. Thai working girls can convince us of many things, such as the degree of our personal handsomeness, but they are hardly all practitioners of the finer points of Thai massage.
James D 2004
04-16-03, 01:26
Originally posted by joe_zop
Well, TNH, having read what you posted in the LA section, I've got to agree with PNG and other folks there -- you have absolutely no idea what Thai massage is about.
I did have a couple of massages where my back was walked on, but I've also had that in AMPs, and it is hardly a distinguishing characteristic of Thai massage.
I never claim to be an expert nor that is the reason of me being flamed. You must have missed the original post when I got flamed. I just comment that using thumbs is a feature in acupressure, and similarly using feet is a feature in Thai massage.
You already proved my points as you have a couple of back walking in Thailand. Yodaman and P&G claimed they never had that. By the way, whenever wherever you get walked over, that is a Thai style, or supposed to be a Thai style, whether the girl know massage or not. No other school of massage uses feet, period. That's why I can safely call that a feature. The same as that no other style apart from acupressure uses thumbs. If the girl uses thumb on you, that is acupressure, or supposed to be acupressure.
Originally posted by tallnhandsome
By the way, whenever wherever you get walked over, that is a Thai style, or supposed to be a Thai style, whether the girl know massage or not. No other school of massage uses feet, period. That's why I can safely call that a feature. The same as that no other style apart from acupressure uses thumbs. If the girl uses thumb on you, that is acupressure, or supposed to be acupressure.
See, again you make blanket and absolute statements and don't know what you're talking about, so you can't "safely call it" anything. Indian Ayurvedic massage, among others, uses the feet. Thai massage uses the hands, feet, and elbows, and "walking over" is neither an essential not characteristic part of the massage (which is undoubtedly why Yodaman and P&G didn't experience it.) The fact that some people do it hardly makes it a distinguishing Thai characteristic (are you going to tell me that the Koreans learned it from Thai massage?) as opposed to the stretching and rocking aspects involved, which are far more pertinent. And the fact that someone uses the thumbs is decidedly not exclusive to acupressure -- they're used in reflexology, Thai massage, Shiatsu, etc. as well, and the argument could also be made that thumbs are used a great deal in deep tissue massage.
Since you seem to want be an authority about what is and isn't Thai style, in spite of not having extensive actual experience, please cite your sources. (I can certainly give sources for my statements.) If you don't want people to think you're trying to be an expert, then simply don't make absolute statements about things such as you've done above. I did in fact read back to the beginning of your posts, and it seems to me you bring such flaming as was there on yourself by asserting things are X or Y and that's just the way it is. When you're wrong, as you are here, you simply lose credibility.
And I'm not flaming you here -- I'm merely pointing out that what you are saying is flat out wrong, which any half-hearted search of the net would confirm.
PosterLion
04-16-03, 03:36
Damn Joe_Z,
Frankly, I like reading your stuff when you go off. You become a a walking book of facts and memorabilia!
I second your remarks. I had Traditional Thai massage one time on my second
trip while in Chiang Mai. Two hours for $300B (times two because I got my
Tour Guide one as well). I fell asleep at least once it was so good.
After two hours I was a stretched out rubber band ready to be hung on a
wall. Then we pulled all the chairs out of the MP and put them on the
street to watch the Loi Krathong festivities while drinking and eating and
shooting fireworks. Life in CM was very simple. Hang out in front of the
MP during the early evening and then go out hopping about in clubs at night.
Afterwards going home, but you know that part already.
Everybody should try Thai Massage at least once. I am sure I will have one
again sometime.
Here's my blanket generalization: I'm getting sleepy just thinking about it.
Don't take my word for it, I'm an Okie, just not from Muskogee.
poster...
P.S. The place is called the Patcharee Massage, address: 83/2 Loi Kroh Rd.; (053) 282014. It was a very friendly place for me. Lek was the big boss at the time. Thought I should put a lick of bonifide information up if i'm gonna ramble on for so long. :)
PosterLion
04-16-03, 03:37
well that sucks...
all that thinking only to have it format like crap. life goes on right?
Bangkok Day 3
Well Songkran is over in Bangkok. Much less water yesterday than the day before. Things seem to be back to normal, hot and dry.
Yesterday afternoon was my first trip back to Eden since early January. As always the service was great. Got to the club at 12:30 pm, early is always the best bet here. Last trip I was very happy with Don but her partner was just OK. What a great surprise to find her with a new very hot partner this time. It was also a great time to be at Eden because they had been closed for two days and the girls were ready to party hard. Selection was from about 20 girls as my friend and I were the first ones in the club. By the time we came down 2-2:30 the place had a dozen guys waiting. Fee is still 3200 baht for two girls 90 minutes complete.
Went to Landmark Hotel last night for the buffet dinner as always a great take. A little on the pricey side but well worth the cost at 790 baht. After dinner off to the Nana Entertianment Complex. G-Spot was slow with girls using only two of three stages. Stayed only a short time. Voodoo on the first floor had several lookers working the place and was 50 percent full. From Voodoo off to Playschool which I think always has the best rock and roll music in the complex. Saw four or five girls I could have taken. Made a final stop at Rainbow II it was after 1:30 and still the stage was full of girls.
Back to the Nana Hotel for the 2:00 o'clock walk out of Angels Disco, which was very, busy for a Tuesday night. I turned my friend onto a cute free lancer for 1200 baht LT. His first choice wanted 2000 baht short time and she is still waiting. Some girls hold out for all the baht but not with me when another 100 waiting. And I saw another free-lancer from my fall trip so I was all set to go. ST at 1000 baht she would have stayed the night but I wanted to sleep.
Today Pantip Plaza for some software and Eden again early afternoon for a session and photo shoot.
From Bangkok 94 degress and partly cloudy.
Sexreview
Interesting about SARS:
Thai Health Ministry Advises People to Drop Face Masks
BANGKOK: The Thai Public Health Ministry has stressed that the spread of SARS is well under control in the country and people can go outside without face masks, the Nation newspaper reported Tuesday.
Thawat Suntarajan, deputy permanent secretary of the ministry and head of the ministry's SARS task force, was quoted as saying that people no longer need to wear masks while using public transport or visiting department stores as they are no longer at risk of contracting the pneumonia-like disease.
The World Health Organization (WHO) has also certified that Thailand is not a SARS-hit area, Thawat said.
According to reports, only eight people with SARS-like symptoms have been detected in the kingdom. Two of them died, while five others have recovered and discharged from hospital.
Thawat also advised the public not to be alarmed by rumors of a SARS outbreak and to trust information only from his center, saying the center has examined 87 people who were reported to have SARS-like symptoms, but all of them were found only to have a common cold.
Nevertheless, Thawat said, the number of people infected with SARS in other areas is on the rise, so the ministry would continue its physical examinations on passengers who are from SARS-hit countries at two medical posts at Don Muang international airport with the help of 20 doctors and 50 nurses.
Bunloet Sakchainanon, head of International Disease Control at the airport, said there were 3,137 arrivals on 48 flights from SARS-hit areas on Sunday, including 811 Thai nationals, but none was found to have SARS-like symptoms
damn...havn't been on here for about a week and the topic changes to feet and thai massage.
man...just 10 min. ago, i was thinking to myself "shit, a nice blowjob sounds really good right now". then i remembered I'm not near lollitas. DOH
it's what i call the 2 week quivers...always get it after a trip back and it usually starts in about 2 weeks.
tapioca
James D 2004
04-16-03, 10:24
Excuse me joe for my late reply - I just transmitted my tax forms. And Jackson you are welcome to delete if you think this is not appropriate in this forum.
"Indian Ayurvedic massage, among others, uses the feet"
I took your word for it, can't argue about it. It's always wrong to make absolute statements that no other styles uses feet. But I can point out many worse mistakes by others in the flame posts. Say can you give the name of "others"?
Massage using feet is still a feature or distinguishing feature for Thai massage (AND should I add Ayurvedic massage?). This is my original comment and you may agree and disagree to some extend. Two guys said they went there long enough and never experienced the feet and so I must be lying and never left LA. They are the exceptions or they never tried to enjoy some proper massage. Either way the logic of argument is flawed to the extreme.
"Thai massage uses the hands, feet, and elbows, and "walking over" is neither an essential not characteristic part of the massage (which is undoubtedly why Yodaman and P&G didn't experience it.) "
Every style uses hands that's why I don't call it a feature or distinguishing feature. Nothing is essential but feet are popular, and that's not the point anyway. If they didn't experience it, they can say it's not a feature. Every post I saw who are interested in getting a proper massage seemed to get the feet.
"The fact that some people do it hardly makes it a distinguishing Thai characteristic (are you going to tell me that the Koreans learned it from Thai massage?) "
My thesis is that most people do it and hence it's a feature. But you know that many guys in LA when they visit korean MP they wanted to skip the massage if they can. If these guys never experience the feet, can't blame me. Who ever gives you a foot, you can ask her what style it is suppose to be. I hope we don't need to argue that there are plenty of authentic Korean, Chinese, Vietnamese style massages offered in MP's, and they don't use feet, unless they are suppose to be giving you one of the Thai style.
"And the fact that someone uses the thumbs is decidedly not exclusive to acupressure -- they're used in reflexology, Thai massage, Shiatsu, etc. as well, and the argument could also be made that thumbs are used a great deal in deep tissue massage."
Thumb is not exclusive but it's a feature. According to the American Heritage dictionary, acupressure means using thumb to apply pressure instead of needles in acupuncture. So it's hard not to call that a feature, just because the name say so. By the way, Shiatsu is the Japanese name for acupressure. Get your facts right and lookup the dictionary. See, everybody made mistakes. And also deep tissue I would say they use the claw - the thumb plus 4 fingers on the other side to penetrate you deeply. The thumb can't be a feature in this case, because everybody uses the hand, which include thumb in humans.
Acupressure uses thumb and Thai massage uses feet. This is what my comment is and harmless enough. If you ask for a good Thai massage, most likely you will experience the feet for a while. If you go into an Acupressure joint and get walked over, you must have not paid enough tips last time!
Well Chaps
The starfish experience is the one where the girl just lies there on her back sprawled out legs akimbo and you have to do all the work.
This must not be confused with the 'chocolate starfish' or the "Cadburys Cul-de-sac - Bournville Boulevard - Hersheys Highway" which you usually have to pay extra for!!!
Wayne
Originally posted by Thaipan
Vin, you will never be able to do it all in your first trip! You will be awe struck the same as the rest of us even after several trips!
Have fun!
Thaipan
Considering the Majestic now, instead of Nana. But I really aim to do it all at least once on this trip :) Soapies, gogos, Eden, Thermae, + Pattaya. 23 day trip, at least one lay daily. Wouldn't be happy if I left something untried. Aaaargh! Can't wait to go. Ticket paid for etc. Let me know if any body wants to meet in june/july. vindorum@yahoo.com
Originally posted by Phuquer
Glad to hear you had a nice time in BKK. I'm planning on going there again in September. It would be cool if you could schedule your trip for then. I agree with you about the withdrawl symptoms. I'm still recovering, and it has already been 2 months. I'm ready to hop back on a plane and get back there today, if I could.
I really did have a ball in March Phuquer. Much as I would like to bring my trip forward to September, I think it will be unlikely as I have to go to Spain in the first 2 weeks of Sept!
I think the withdrawl symptoms are a bit worse this time as I now have a Thai girl friend! C'est la vie!
Thaipan
Originally posted by vin
Considering the Majestic now, instead of Nana. But I really aim to do it all at least once on this trip :) Soapies, gogos, Eden, Thermae, + Pattaya. 23 day trip, at least one lay daily. Wouldn't be happy if I left something untried. Aaaargh! Can't wait to go. Ticket paid for etc. Let me know if any body wants to meet in june/july. vindorum@yahoo.com
Have fun Vin, I'm sure that you will like the Majestic Suites far maore than the Nana, which I think is a bit of a dump. Personal opinion here so I hope I don't offend anyone who thinks it is the best hotel in the world.
Thaipan
Tallnhandsome.... have you ever been to Thailand? Just curious.
Thaipan
Originally posted by Bide59
Hi everyone,
I have a bunch of pictures from my trip to Pattaya which I would like to share with you. The respons was that enormous that my mailbox got overloaded. I opened a Yahoo group where you can find my best ones, enjoy under
http://*************************thaipics
Please feel free to add your own pictures. I would like to see yours too.
/bide59
Thanks for sharing your pix with us Bide59, you obviously had fun!!!
Thaipan
Originally posted by vin
Considering the Majestic now, instead of Nana. But I really aim to do it all at least once on this trip :) Soapies, gogos, Eden, Thermae, + Pattaya. 23 day trip, at least one lay daily. Wouldn't be happy if I left something untried. Aaaargh! Can't wait to go. Ticket paid for etc. Let me know if any body wants to meet in june/july. vindorum@yahoo.com
Vin just a point of caution for you. If you are intending to frequent different bars / ago go's all the time this will not be a problem but if you do go to say Morning & Night literally out the door of the Majestic turn left and take the 1st left it will be on your left about 100 metres from the hotel, they have great music, pool, sport on TV and some very nice girls (surprise surprise!) too. Make it clear to them that you are "butterfly", they will know what you mean and will respect that, if you don't and you do go back again and again you run the risk of offending a girl who might think that you are going back there for her as you bar fined her before.
Talk to the girls, the more you talk to them and make them laugh the more they will want go with you short or long time. Sorry if this is over stating the obvious!
This is another excellent web site for good up to date LOS information: http://board2.nanaplaza.com/ubbthreads.php?
A lot of the guys who post on it live in BKK.
Thaipan
Ok, TNH, I've wasted enough time on you, as you're pretty clearly a either a troll or bozo, and useless either way. Your basic logic is that accupressure uses the thumbs and that's a feature, but it doesn't matter if it's exclusive or whether other forms of massage use it, as it's still a feature even if thumbs are used elsewhere, but that if someone uses the feet it indicates a feature of Thai massage no matter what. That's beyond inconsistent and idiotic.
"Massage using feet is still a feature or distinguishing feature for Thai massage (AND should I add Ayurvedic massage?). This is my original comment and you may agree and disagree to some extend."
No, that's not what you originally said. If you want to complain about flaws of logic in others you ought to keep them down in your own posts, as well as resist the urge to revise what you've actually posted and what people objected to, which was "Thai's use their feet rather than fingers." That is purely and simply wrong, and was the start of the dispute in the LA area. If you'd said, "Thais use their feet in addition to their fingers" you'd have been fine, even though they don't usually use them the way you seem to think is characteristic -- most often they're used to help stretch while another part of the body is being pulled or held as opposed to for walking on someone. You also said, "I bet if you ask any BKK sex tourist, they will have experienced some massage by feet, being walked over." Well, that's rather obviously not true, isn't it?, since you've got BKK sex tourists who disagree. If you don't want to be flamed, either correct what you've said or defend it -- don't change the issue and then complain about those who take you to task. There's no disgrace is saying you misstated something.
And I suggest you get your facts straight -- Shaitsu is not simply the Japanese name for acupressure, it's an entirely distinct cultural theraputic practice (which, by the way, according to shaitsu.org, among others, uses palms, thumbs, fingers, elbows, knees and feet -- oooh, I guess it's actually Thai.) Yes, it includes many aspects of accupressure, and they may be equivalent in some ways, but that's not at all saying it's the same thing. Perhaps this is too complex a distinction for you, but it's a critical one. Iranians and Kurds live on the continent of Asia, but referring to them as Asians isn't really considered proper or accurate. Saying Shiatsu is just the Japanese name for acupressure is like saying that everything in Japanese culture is the same as what's in China, and that is culturally obnoxious. By that logic, I could simply call everything Vedic massage, since that's probably the oldest version and includes aspects of everything from acupressure to acupuncture to yoga to pressure points to feet to dancing goats. Acupressure is a rather generic term (though probably most often often used to refer to the Chinese version) and aspects of it are found in just about all distinct Asian massage practices, but the techniques differ. If you're not going to make distinctions about those differences, then you sure as hell shouldn't be making distinctions about Thai style as opposed to others, which means you shouldn't be talking about it at all. Which is probably the bottom line.
The American Heritage Dictionary is hardly the be-all and end-all authority on everything, and it certainly doesn't have to ability to make in-depth distinctions -- I suggest you actually read a whole book as opposed to a two-line entry, as you might learn enough to fake your way through, which you've not done so far. The fact that a dictionary lists something as a synonym does not mean it's the same thing.
James D 2004
04-16-03, 18:53
hey moderator, you won't hear one more word from me for a while 'cause i am going to spend all my tax refund about now, and report back. before that ...
joe, your problem is trying to be an expert. your treating shiatsu and acupressure as different things lead me to check your references carefully. now i don't believe that indian ayurvedic massage uses feet, unless you can show me some pictures. you may be confused by feet massage - it is your feet being massaged rather than using feet to massage you.
shiatsu.org gave the same definition as the american heritage dictionary. acupressure is the english word invented to mean the same thing. if you want to argue with the dictionary and shiatsu.org, please do but i don't have the qualification to argue with you. shiatsu.org didn't mention feet! again show me some pictures or paragraph if you can.
and some guys flamed me for being so desperate as to use the web and dictionary. you have my sympathies.
"thai's use their feet rather than fingers." is what started it all. it's suppose to be fun. everybody were having fun talking about trying the "missionary" (church in oc) and watch the "swallows" (bird migration).
i am sorrow to say that the feeling about bkk that i was describing was called withdrawal symptoms to you guys. and at least several guys have it with different degree. you got to have some all nighters and spent enough time with a girl say in the bar to get it. i would say it's "typical" for bkk. of course you may get it say in philippine or some even dirt poorer countries, but there's not someone with full life insurance would go often. i've been there and i got the symptoms. but who cares?
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last words. shiatsu is the sound translation of a japanese term, whereas acupressure is the meaning translation of the same japanese term, both are accepted as a proper and specific definition of a particular healing/therapeutic art with a dictionary and an org to back me up. the spirit of acupressure is to use fingers instead of needles in acupuncture. less medical but still highly therapeutic. the use of blunt things like feet is beyond me, when elbows are already over the top compared to needles. i wouldn't trust that org in uk because i have a brain.
PurpleNGold
04-16-03, 19:01
Originally posted by vin
Considering the Majestic now, instead of Nana. But I really aim to do it all at least once on this trip :) Soapies, gogos, Eden, Thermae, + Pattaya. 23 day trip, at least one lay daily. Wouldn't be happy if I left something untried. Aaaargh! Can't wait to go. Ticket paid for etc. Let me know if any body wants to meet in june/july. vindorum@yahoo.com
It's a good plan (even if you're only ambitious enough for 1/day). THe problem is when that one TG hooks you and you keep going back to her you miss out on something else while still being sooooo happy :)
Enjoy your visit :)
Listen, idiot, I sure as hell know the difference between foot massage and having the feet used in a massage, and trying to deal with someone spewing disinformation isn't about trying to be an expert. If you weren't busy making pronouncements that aren't true, there'd be no need to correct them. Your problem, TNH, is apparently an inability to read and think, not to mention admit when you're wrong, since apparently your careful checking of my references must not have included actually reading the content and translating it into whatever personal language you understand.
The core of acupressure is the technique of using acupuncture meridians and points, and Shiatsu combines this with "Amma" massage, which involves rubbing, pressing, and stretching. They're different techniques, and lumping them all together as being acupressure is simply incorrect. (This combination of techniques is also characteristic of Thai massage -- and virtually all Eastern massage techniques deal with the idea of balancing energy in the body.) Try hard to understand this -- Shiatsu also involves stretching, which acupressure does not. So they're not exactly the same thing.
"Shiatsu.org didn't mention feet."
From www.shiatsu.org's main page: "Your Shiatsu practitioner ... will use a variety of techniques to improve your energy flow. These may include gentle holding, pressing with palms, thumbs, fingers, elbows, knees and feet on the meridians and, when appropriate, more dynamic rotations and stretches." Pressing with, not on. Using various body parts including the feet. Get it?
"Now I don't believe that Indian Ayurvedic massage uses feet, unless you can show me some pictures."
If you'd like pictures of massage using the feet during Ayurvedic massage go to http://www.rasovai.com/ayurmassage.htm Read slow, and look carefully at the pictures lest you get confused and misunderstand what is a hand and what is a foot.
Big deal that I like to read up a little on stuff before I let someone I don't know pound on and stretch me. I don't need to be an expert -- I've been a participant, and have had all the massages I've mentioned other than the deep tissue -- can you say the same? Or was it just being walked on once or twice by a prostitute?
(Should have listened to you, PNG!)
Hey Vin,
Glad to see another going off to experience the pleasures of those lovely Thai girls. Here is some advice from an experienced noob to the fun the LOS can provide.
Try and get a different girl every night that you are there. This is your first trip, you are there to have fun, so have fun. I made the mistake my first time there of only being with three girls. I LT one, but I dont regret the time with her. If you find a girl that you cant do without, make sure that she knows this is your holiday. If you are too "nice", some tend to try and run the show. If you do want to keep a girl for LT, do it at the end of your trip, like the last 3-4 days. Sounds like you are already going to experience the Eden, MPs(I suggest the J-1/J-One MP), and some other stuff. GO for it, this stuff needs to be done to be believed.
One thing above all be nice to the girls. Treat them with great respect, and be nice to them. If you do this, these girls will be your willing slaves. They will offer to do things to you that you never believed possible. Treat them like they are actually your girlfriend.
If things arent going the way you want, then get rid of them as quick as you can. When doing this, DO NOT tell them you will pick them up that night. If you have been nice to them, and they like you alot, they may go to major lengths to meet with you later.
I have gotten into major discussions with others elsewhere about this, and that subject is tell these girls the truth. You dont need to give them any details about your life, and its best that you dont. I suggest if you want to email some of them, make a yahoo type account for this purpose only. That way its hidden from others, and you know the emails that you will be getting on it.
What I mean about telling them the truth.... If you dont want to be with them, let them know, like someone else said you are a butterfly and you will not be back to pick them up that night.
I have told several girls in the past, to get rid of them that I would come get them later.
On girl showed up at my door at 1 am while I was banging another girl, and told me that she had barfined herself so that she could be with me. I had to open the door, cuz she wouldnt go away, she stayed outside my room for 20 mins, banging on the door, and crying.
Another time, I had 3 girls show up in my room with in 10 mins. All three in my room, which you might say whats wrong with that? Well they all wanted me for themselves. Bad thing was, I had another one showing up in an hour.
Just let them know what you want. Dont be mean about it, just dont make promises to them that you dont intend to keep. It will make your trip much less dramatic.
More tips to come later, when are you leaving Vin?? Let me know. Anyone else out there that can give Vin some little tips before his trip? I know that I found info from these types of board very helpful myself, for past trips, and future also.
HaveFun!~
Jay
Sup SexReview? Heard that you are in the LOS now. Wish I was there myself, but I am looking at Oct/Nov. Well have fun over there, I will be looking forward to see your posts.
here's a free tip vin...
dick ups
tapioca
Does any have any experience with taking TWO GIRLS FROM GOGO BARS. Anyone tried this? I'm planning my first trip to LOS, and will certainly try the sandwich at Annie's and Darling. But the idea of spending the night with two girls in my bed sounds quite a turn on. Any pointers (such as what and how to negotiate) on how to achieve the most pleasurable experience this would be greatly appreciated.
two more questions:
1. where can i shop for dildos and vibrators in bkk - preferably in the vicinity of nep? any definitive pointers would be highly appreciated.
2. how's the internet connectivity in bkk? are there internet cafes easily accessible? how expensive are they? do hotels have high speed access? grand president claims to have a business center.
is this a great board or what. thanks a lot for your help. promise to post anything new i learn during the trip.
Is KY jelly available in BKK pharmacies?
Joe_Zop, you crack me up !!!!
I am one of the fortunate few who have had the pleasure of meeting this interesting individual, at TLR, last December. As usual, you don't mince your words.
Joe, had not checked the board for a couple of months, glad to see you are still on top of things, talking about a subject about which i have a question.
I have had the toughest time finding a place in BKK, on Suk, which offers a REAL Thai massage, the stretching and rocking you talk about. Lots of them, (not talking about the soapies), will rub and stretch and pull you in different directions, then try to get things going in another direction.
I just want to find a place that will give me the kind of Thai massage you talk about in previous posts. Massage, no sex, that's it.
Any suggestions?
1ball
No sex massage (the best sort). Between Soi 1 and Soi 3 on Soi Suk. It is set back from the road. Walk very slowly and you will see it. It is not a flashy place or anything but very good. They will (almost) literally break you up. Very good for you and much better than the sordid sex experiences these losers go in for. The women (all ugly wrestler types) crack jokes with one another as they break you up and as the Arabs etc in the next cublicle pray to Allah and thier mommies to save them. They will probably do a jo for extra but I am not into that sort of thing.
John Skinless
Skinless,
"They will probably do a jo for extra but I am not into that sort of thing."
You still have your sense of humor:).
Hey, 1ball, good to see you back, and I very much enjoyed meeting you as well. I agree with you about it being tough to get good traditional Thai massage in the Sukhumvit area. I got decent massage at a shop just off Sukhumvit on Soi 8 -- no sex, probably better at the foot and leg massage than the full Thai, but one of the two times I had a full massage there it was excellent and the other it was solid but not exceptional. First time I went in more than half of the customers were Thais, which seemed a good sign. A caution that I didn't go there this last trip, since I really didn't spend that much time in the Big Durian, so I can't say for sure that things are still the same (you know how things change in LOS.)
Most of the truly great massages I got, to be honest, were outside of Bangkok -- a couple of amazing ones around Sukothai, the general area where one of the schools is located. Things also, of course, have the nice additional feature of being lots cheaper once you're outside BKK.
Nana Plaza again last night and things seem to be gettting busy again. Angel Witch was standing room only as was Rainbow I. Rainbow three had sveral lookers dancing even after 10:00pm. Went into PLayschool and only three girls on stage at 11:30 pm. Didn't really mind as I had already done back to back sessions at Eden Club, first for fun and the second as a photo shoot. Things seem to have loosen a little as a lot more girls dancing topless in the plaza. Tomorrow will be leaving Bangkok and going to Pattaya.
During the day made a trip over to Pantip Plaza, big sell of going on for the conterfit goods. Several shops have been closed and others will be soon. Saw many more police officers in the place than in the past. Bangkok Post had a piece about a crack down to begin on May 1 and one of the main targets is Pantip Plaza. Also big signs up about Pantip doesn't sell conterfit goods and phone numbers to report items too. Things are starting to change but you can still find sofeware and the likes if you look a little.
Had dinner at the Mariott JC last night the buffet is a little more than Landmark but has more items on it. Overall I like the food at Landmark better.
PurpleNGold
04-17-03, 07:13
Originally posted by joe_zop
(Should have listened to you, PNG!)
LOL You were warned :)
PurpleNGold
04-17-03, 07:20
Originally posted by 1ball
I just want to find a place that will give me the kind of Thai massage you talk about in previous posts. Massage, no sex, that's it.
Go to Wat Po. They have a school there and you can get an hour massage by the experts for a couple hundred B (don't remember the actual price, but it was pretty cheap)
I am just back from Bangkok and I found a nice place for Traditional massage batween Soy 3 and soy 1 Skv.. Wlaking from 3 you see a small sign, Starts at 10:00 AM and it is 300 Bt for 2 hours. I am a nuby but, Itried other places and I was not impressed. Maybe it is the place you are looking for.
Yogo
Thanks for the tips, JayDawg, Purplengold, Thaipan and the rest of you guys. I expect to be 'shocked and awed' when I arrive:)
Never been anyplace remotely like this, only visited one Estonian and one Spanish brothel and enjoyed that a lot. Know this will be immensely better. Arriving in BKK june 17th at 2pm. Have no plans beyond seeing Bangkok and Pattaya. But should really see other places too, to avoid lying too much to the folks back home, lol.
I'll make sure to let the girls know I'm a butterfly, to avoid scenes. I'm usually brutally honest with girls, so it will be ok. And I'll treat them right, like I always do :)
Goddamn, why can't time pass faster once in awhile, aaaargh.
Originally posted by SexReview
Nana Plaza again last night and things seem to be gettting busy again. Angel Witch was standing room only as was Rainbow I. Rainbow three had sveral lookers dancing even after 10:00pm. Went into PLayschool and only three girls on stage at 11:30 pm. Didn't really mind as I had already done back to back sessions at Eden Club, first for fun and the second as a photo shoot. Things seem to have loosen a little as a lot more girls dancing topless in the plaza. Tomorrow will be leaving Bangkok and going to Pattaya.
Try Sexy Nights go go, it is almost next door ro Angel Witch (to the left as you come out of AW), the music is better and there are some very cute girls but it is a very small bar. I have to say that I like it and bar fined a couple of real cuties for 1000 baht LT.
Thaipan
Originally posted by jayf1970
Does any have any experience with taking TWO GIRLS FROM GOGO BARS. Anyone tried this? I'm planning my first trip to LOS, and will certainly try the sandwich at Annie's and Darling. But the idea of spending the night with two girls in my bed sounds quite a turn on. Any pointers (such as what and how to negotiate) on how to achieve the most pleasurable experience this would be greatly appreciated.
This is not a problem just tell the mamasan what you want - and you just pay more! Alternatively tell the first girl that you decide to bar fine and ask her if she is up for it to suggest a "friend".
Thaipan
Originally posted by tallnhandsome
I am sorrow to say that the feeling about BKK that I was describing was called withdrawal symptoms to you guys. And at least several guys have it with different degree. You got to have some all nighters and spent enough time with a girl say in the bar to get it. I would say it's "typical" for BKK. Of course you may get it say in Philippine or some even dirt poorer countries, but there's not someone with full life insurance would go often. I've been there and I got the symptoms. But who cares?
And Thailand is not a "dirt poor country"?
Thaipan
Originally posted by JayDawg
One thing above all be nice to the girls. Treat them with great respect, and be nice to them. If you do this, these girls will be your willing slaves. They will offer to do things to you that you never believed possible. Treat them like they are actually your girlfriend.
.................... Agreed 100% JayDawg, treat them like you would like to be treated!
What I mean about telling them the truth.... If you dont want to be with them, let them know, like someone else said you are a butterfly and you will not be back to pick them up that night.
.................... That was me, they understand butterfly very well! :-)
Another time, I had 3 girls show up in my room with in 10 mins. All three in my room, which you might say whats wrong with that? Well they all wanted me for themselves. Bad thing was, I had another one showing up in an hour.
......................JayDawg did you post about this on Nanaplaza.com recently?
More tips to come later, when are you leaving Vin?? Let me know. Anyone else out there that can give Vin some little tips before his trip? I know that I found info from these types of board very helpful myself, for past trips, and future also.
Originally posted by vin
Thanks for the tips, JayDawg, Purplengold, Thaipan and the rest of you guys. I expect to be 'shocked and awed' when I arrive:)
I'll make sure to let the girls know I'm a butterfly, to avoid scenes. I'm usually brutally honest with girls, so it will be ok. And I'll treat them right, like I always do :)
Goddamn, why can't time pass faster once in awhile, aaaargh.
Vin, it is a pleasure to help but there is no need to be as you say "brutally honest", if you try charming and always smile you will get what you want much easier and they will rock your world for you without you even trying! Like the girl you take back to your room preparing fruit for you that you have never seen in your life before and feeding it to you, then she takes you to the shower and washes you all over etc etc.
These girls while being "working girls" are very spcial, be good to them and they will rock your world good style!
Let us know how you get on and if you have more questions - just ask.
Thaipan - hoping that October comes very soon!!!!
originally posted by jayf1970
two more questions:
1. where can i shop for dildos and vibrators in bkk - preferably in the vicinity of nep? any definitive pointers would be highly appreciated.
2. how's the internet connectivity in bkk? are there internet cafes easily accessible? how expensive are they? do hotels have high speed access? grand president claims to have a business center.
is this a great board or what. thanks a lot for your help. promise to post anything new i learn during the trip.
jatf1970
1) probably patpong.
2) internet cafes are all over the place with high speed connection and they are very very cheap. all the major hotels have their own business centres but it is far cheaper to use internet cafes.
thaipan
Originally posted by jayf1970
Is KY jelly available in BKK pharmacies?
Probably, but why don't you take a small tube of your own? Don't forget to take your own condoms with you, the Thai ones can be a little on the sung side or so I'm told!
Thaipan
Dick Johnson
04-17-03, 16:05
Originally posted by tallnhandsome
And some guys flamed me for being so desperate as to use the web and dictionary.
Damn straight, that was me. I'l take credit for that. I was the first one to call this guy tallanddumb a week ago in the L.A. forum. And the first to doubt this guy has ever been to Thailand. I'll smell a moron a hundred miles away. But this guy is too easy a target I'll let JZ and PNG handle him. Leave the tough ones to me.
-Dick Johnson
Jayf1970,
'Is KY jelly available in BKK pharmacies?'
Yes it is, and also at 7-11 and AM-PM stores. And not just in BKK, but throughout the Kingdom.
The combo of Thai Durex N-11 and KY is undestructable.
Prices: a 3 pack N11 B45-55, a tube of KY B85.
"Any Nude dancing in BKK gogo bars"
Are there any nude shows or dancing anywhere in BKK? Please let me know.
Thanks.
PurpleNGold
04-17-03, 20:02
originally posted by thaipan
2) internet cafes are all over the place with high speed connection and they are very very cheap. all the major hotels have their own business centres but it is far cheaper to use internet cafes.
definitely cheaper in the cafes. i stayed at grand president and they wanted 60b per 15 min interval compared with 1b/min in the cafes (and even .75b/min in one of the cafes in a shopping center on suk)
Number One Gentlemen's Club on Soi 1? Has anyone heard of this one?
Here's their website:
http://www.numberonebangkok.com/
Let me also put in a note that you're generally far better off using cafes even if you bring a laptop along -- although there are lots of access numbers for Thai dial-up services, and the net time itself isn't all that expensive, you usually end up paying heavily in other ways: a per-call phone charge to the phone company, another to the hotel, and to top it off, generally slow and lousy connections. With lots of places with DSL at cheap prices, unless you need to FTP or something you're better off finding a nice spot and going there.
By the way, I always had good connections and rarely had trouble getting a machine at the little place on Sukhumvit just barely past the beer bar complex at Suk and Asoke.
Dick Johnson
04-18-03, 01:53
It almost seems like the cheaper the place the better it is. I was at a 5* hotel and they only had dial up... many 5* hotel are charging 150baht /10 mins. I plunked down a lot at Presidents' apt. just for convenience sake.
JZ, the place you mentioned Tap and I used to go there, Tapioca showed me the place.
Also there are quite a few places around Nana. Inside the alleys, across the streets etc. The one right across closes really late, at 3am I think.
Grand President v/s Majestic?
Is GP as clean as Majestic?
Majestic seems to be the choice hotel on this forum. The only thing I don't like about it is the fact that it doesn't have a fitness center. I am not as anal as you might think (no pun intended), but I tend to have a much better appetite (for everything) when I'm regularly working out. And what fun is LOS without a hearty appetite? GP promises to have gym as well as a pool. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
How far is GP from NEP?
there's a good i-net across from tlr as well (unless i got my directions backwards) 1b/min 24/7 according to the signs outside; hi-speed.
go to "leader price" on suk for cheap bottled water 1itre for 2b
other potables pretty cheap as well. sort of like a mini costco
and i went to comfort suites airport for my final night there - they had dial-up as well, linked 2 computers and 1 wouldn't work so i didn't get on until 3a when i woke for the flight (because a french lady wouldn't quit (not that it mattered)
damn - i really miss los (just trying to figure out how to get back)
Vin - when you go to Pattaya, make sure you get the express bus - I was walking by and a driver was shouting "pattaya pattaya" so I got on. AC bus, but a "LOCAL" for 70B and FOUR hours... the EXPRESS was 90B and TWO hours (besides, the local lets you off on Sukhumvit (yup, the same road just 90 miles down the road) and then you have to figure out how to get down to "beach road". For a cheap stay more or less close to the walking street, I stayed at "Sureena Hotel" for 500B. relatively spartan but guest friendly. From what I saw of Penthouse, though, it is probably worth the additional 150B (inside room).
For easy transport, rent a moto for 150B/day or so (just remember to drive on the left) or take the baht bus for 10B/trip. The beer bars on the same side of the road as Royal (about 200' toward walking street) is 200B take out 500B ST. A few cuties, lots of girls fresh off the farm. If oyu go down walking street, there are muay thai (boxing) matches after about 9P or so and lots more girls.
If oyu are into "shows" (meaning the "extreme" shows - adam-eve; eve-eve, darts, balloons, etc) - go to "bold lion" (i think that's the right name) on the soi toward Club Nui. 200B beer, show lasted 1 hour
This is my first trip to Bangkok and I think some of my adventure may be of interest as, I saw it a bit different than most experienced readers here.
The first night I picked up a nice girl on the street after 12:00 near Thermae. I could not bring her back to my place and it appeared to be a problem to find a short time hotel but, finally we did for 300 bt. For 500 Bt she was willing to do anything and I tried all but, when I noticed she really never did back door and it was painful trying, I quit and felt bad about the little money we agree on and how hard she tried to please. Unfortunately I did not take her phone number and she disappeared in the crowd.
All other adventured where a disaster to me as, the girls (from Angel, Nana food court, etc. were big liars to me) always agree to long time with big smiles just to try leave soon after the first shot. As this attitude would turn me off, I let them go but, after the first case I did cut their fee to short time or close. One was quite pissed off but, I was no stupid. By the way, I never had problems with ladies because of looks, bad manners and all, in the pass. This was a typical local trend. I did not deal much on price either so, they got pretty well what expected but, I did show no interest in more than sex and unwellness to dish more money for this time. I believe that if I show to be willing to get more money out (go fancy dinner, club, etc. they would have stay longer and to try collect more). I found no difference in experience between expensive bar girls and street girls, many of which are in the area from soy 4 (Nana) to Thermae. Many are also on soy 3 up to Grace hotel. A got very friendly with a lady in the center of Nana Plaza at a food court, far back. She has a birthmark on her right harm. She may be not the best looking but great person. I did not barfind her but, 600 barfine and no money asked ... I was dumb not to try !!! Tell her the Canadian that went to see long neck sent you. She will know and I think she is worth it !!!
I found the instructions for Anne Massage and A1 hard to understand. Anne is just up soy 2 walk until you see the sign, that simple and A1 walk up soy 1 and you will find it on the right . Both are a bit far from Suk. Not right at beginning of street.
At A1 I found Very old pro !!! they ask for 1800 including room. Not worth to visit.
BRING your CONDOMS !!! I went to a massage and forgot mine. The girl was nice but also a liar (did not what was agreed on... a newbe also). I was already not too excited by her hand work and when I put the condom on it squeezed it so much it went limp and blue. That was the end of that session. About all the ladies I had, I had to give instructions to treat my little guy with care. Be gentle. Well, all treat it like a farmer girls milking a cow. squeeze it and jank it with fatal results. I am past my mid 50's and I have some problems. These girls were not therapy !!!
I guess the meet , bang and go is no longer on my menu.
I had a fantastic time with a girl I met on the net. She was a real delight. She took me allover the city, go back to hotel, bang bang, most of times, see her go home and I go out !!! great deal.
She is a real jewel and I took her with me to Chang May and around.
For anyone interested (no gain to me) a friend in Chang May can arrange a trip to see the ladies with long neck and other local attraction. She will try start a business of the kind but, for now she can use some money also. She has a good driver. It cost me about 6,000 for the two of us (four in the car) for two days of continuous driving to places. Maybe there was no charge, just pure cost. Anyway something that may be of interest. No sex there, just pure tourist thing. Ops she has a bar near the bazar with a couple of girls for you. I was in company so I could only look and they did look fantastic to me. I know nothing else about it but, my guess is 300 bar fine and 1000 to 1500 for all night. The bar is by the bazar (many of them in that block)a small booth painted red and called Harley Ask for Key. For any questions , feel free to send Email to yogo10@hotmail.com (Use Bangkok as title as, I receive a lot of spam and delete a lot, hopefully not your message). I hope this is helpful to some. Thanks all and enjoy a great country with great people.
Yogo10
PosterLion
04-18-03, 05:47
yogo10,
Aw hell I feel kind of stupid to say this but that's okay, i am stupid in many ways. look man, you got anything for 500 baht so in my mind you should feel quite happy. i'd feel like i got a bargain if 500B would get me anything. on the other hand, i do feel your pain simply because i never had a girl try to leave in the morning after one pop. well, that's why i think i must be very very stupid and farang like. it's also why i am trying to emphasize with you so much but it is not quite possible. the earliest anyone ever left my room was 9 o'clock in the morning. damn i was sad to see her go.
get over it, sing a song and click your heels, you're not in kansas anymore.
well, i meant this all in a nice way.
by the way, isn't annie on soi 4 (nana)?
i try to find it for a long time.
ah shit, and one more thing, (hi joe_zop, i am you to night lol), yo dude, no lady will ask to collect more if you try to make her feel like a lady. this i know is true, so... let's take this to the thai women and opinion/advise board.
OKAY!... that is my rant. i just got home and am suppossed to write a poem for a brazilian girl. i knew exactly what i was going to write until i started to write it. that is why i am here now.
anyone going to thailand soon? i think i will have to go again before the end of may. :)
Vin,
The Bkk-Pattaya buscompany Dinghy talks about is Roong Ruang coach.
They are fast and safe.
Yogo10,
Lose Hotmail and go to Yahoo. I've got several Yahoo email accounts and I NEVER get spammed!
Which I cannot say for my hotmails. Hotmail sucks!
Another, more delicate, question for you seasoned hobbyists:
The girls at gogos, soapies, Eden etc. Are many of them shaved? I'm a sucker for a shaved puss. Nothing more irritating than furballs :)
Originally posted by vin
Another, more delicate, question for you seasoned hobbyists:
The girls at gogos, soapies, Eden etc. Are many of them shaved? I'm a sucker for a shaved puss. Nothing more irritating than furballs :)
Had eight girls from Eden Club this last trip to Bangkok, all but one was clean shaved. The one who was not was very short and neat. But just asked before you pick your girls and Marc or his manger will tell you if they are not.
Many thanks to the veterans on this forum!
I'm off to Bangkok for my first visit on the 25th for ten days of fun & sun in the LOS. I have my reservation at Majestic Suites thanks to the learned opinions of the many contributors I have read here. I'm looking forward to my time there very much and will dutifully file a report when I'm back.
If there are any words of wisdom for an eager newbie they would be greatly appreciated! Keep up the great work, fellas!
--WISteve
SexReview: Eight? Was that four different times? Or did you do more than 2 at once? :) Think 2 at once will be enough for me, as I've yet to experience a threesome. But, ya never know...
thanks, JZ and others for info about "real massage". Wil check out soi 8 when i get there May 3.
BTW, was in AW at NEP in Jan and March. The girls there seem to be a notch above. I know BF is 500, any idea if ST, LT prices are similar to other places, or will they be higher? Hung with a cutie there the last 2 times, but didn't BF her, and she didn't want to talk prices inside.
1ball
Originally posted by jayf1970
Grand President v/s Majestic?
Is GP as clean as Majestic?
Majestic seems to be the choice hotel on this forum. The only thing I don't like about it is the fact that it doesn't have a fitness center. I am not as anal as you might think (no pun intended), but I tend to have a much better appetite (for everything) when I'm regularly working out. And what fun is LOS without a hearty appetite? GP promises to have gym as well as a pool. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
How far is GP from NEP?
I personally recommend GP, as I have never stayed at Majestic Suites. The rooms are very clean, the service is great, and the facilities are great. They have a nice pool, fitness club, massage parlor, and hair salon. If you stay in bldg. C (across the street from main building), the rooms are not as nice, but less expensive (about 1350baht), but the restaurant where you have the buffet breakfast is right there (no need to step outside), and you don't have to parade your bargirl infront of the receptionist desk. Security guard will hold her ID card for your protection. There is no extra fee to bring in your guest. I have stayed here twice and have had no problems. I will stay here again and again. It is between Soi Cowboy (about 6 blocks to the left), and Nana Plaza (about 4 blocks to the right). Easy walk to either. My favorite feature is that it is VERY near the action, but not right up in everything, so you can get away from the action whenever you want. 7-11 1 block away (on the walk to Sukhumvit Rd), and skytrain station and Bangkok Bank (for money exchange) are just 1 block away. What more could you want? VCR, stereo with CD player, microwave, full fridge, hotplate, kitchen sink, king size beds, full mirrors on 3 walls, electronic safe in room, nice clean bathroom. Everything you could want. :) Hope you check it out before you decide. I think you will like it.
I'm like WISteve; I'll be at Majestic April 25. I'll be checking my email from an internet cafe and do my best to post to our board.
last trip I stayed out by the airport for a 0630 flight out. Anybody have an idea of what time to leave Suk area to arrive there at say 0500? How is traffic that early (or isn't it that early for BKK?)
cab fare seems to be 300B or so, just the time I'm worried about
PurpleNGold
04-18-03, 19:30
I left at 4:30 from the Grand President and got there with time to spare. It was a Monday morning, and there was no traffic at all. The airport was semi-busy so it's a good idea to get there early.
Anyone know if you can hire a real limo to take you to the airport? I mean a stretch job with separate cabin for the passengers. It'd be fun to use up that last half hour with the final night's bar fine.
Pro or not.
Went to one of thoose ordinary massage places, where it is kind of hard to tell if it does extra specials or not.
I never was asked a "special massage" but she wanted to meet me after work,which doesnt say me much since Im fairly goodlooking.
Went back there another day and made a private appointment with her in a couple of days, off the place. She said that I had to pay the owner 400 bath(an older woman), I said sure.
Now...Im pretty new at this so what do you think, will an ordinary massage girl need a
"massage fine"or is that a proof of that she is a working girl?
And if she is a pro (which I dont mind) do I have to pay
400bth every day to the massage owner or is it done with after the first time?
She looks so inousant, lol, so I dont want to embarass her with an ackward question.
Any opinion is welcome,
Thanks.
Originally posted by vin
SexReview: Eight? Was that four different times? Or did you do more than 2 at once? :) Think 2 at once will be enough for me, as I've yet to experience a threesome. But, ya never know...
I went to Eden club on three different days, each time early in the day around 12:30 pm and each time had two girls for 90 minutes. So that was six girls, plus I had two take pouts which I ordered for 10:00 pm to my hotel on two nights. Also I was at Eden in January and had girls then. that is were the number came from.
Sexreview
AsiaTraveler2
04-20-03, 12:26
Originally posted by dinghy
last trip I stayed out by the airport for a 0630 flight out. Anybody have an idea of what time to leave Suk area to arrive there at say 0500? How is traffic that early (or isn't it that early for BKK?)
cab fare seems to be 300B or so, just the time I'm worried about
Takes about 30-45 minutes, depending on Traffic. Sunday about 30 min. and weekdays closer to 45 min. I usually plan on 60 minutes to be safe. There's a massage place in the airport .. not sure if it's open that early though.
AT2
AsiaTraveler2
04-20-03, 12:31
Originally posted by 1ball
thanks, JZ and others for info about "real massage". Wil check out soi 8 when i get there May 3.
BTW, was in AW at NEP in Jan and March. The girls there seem to be a notch above. I know BF is 500, any idea if ST, LT prices are similar to other places, or will they be higher? Hung with a cutie there the last 2 times, but didn't BF her, and she didn't want to talk prices inside.
1ball
1ball;
ST and LT prices are dependent on the girl, not the bar. I must be hitting Angel Witch at the wrong times. Never thought it was anything special. Not bad, mind you, just not any better than any of the 1st floor bars. If the girl did not talk prices, bank on a 2,000-3,000 baht tip for LT. They want to hit you after you committed .. or later at a moment of weakness, if you know what I mean.
AT2
AsiaTraveler2
04-20-03, 12:37
Originally posted by vin
Another, more delicate, question for you seasoned hobbyists:
The girls at gogos, soapies, Eden etc. Are many of them shaved? I'm a sucker for a shaved puss. Nothing more irritating than furballs :)
vin;
Not many are completely shaved. But most are very well groomed. Check out the bars that the girls are completely nude. Some in Nana Plaza and Basara in Soi Cowboy. You may get lucky and find your gem. At the soapies, you will need to ask the papa-san. None that I know of at Eden.
AT2
thanks for the info guys - next time I'll stay on Suk (I sort of like Royal Asia) and enjoy my last night in LOS. The interesting thing was that the bus from Comfort Suites runs hourly and to get there "in time" (according to them) I needed to leave on the 0400 bus. So the hotel is about 1/2 mile from the airport, but the way you have to go to get there it takes almost 2 miles (and 15 minutes) because of the 1-way roads AND Comfort Suites cost double what I would have spent otherwise (1700B). Nice place, though... just way too far from any action.. or maybe I should have looked harder.
Hey another "pervert question" - I've heard of a bar or 2 with 2 floors that has a glass ceiling/floor. Somewhere in Patpong? (didn't get there last trip) Nothing like looking up and seeing the full moon. <grin>
I believe Bacarra in Soi Cowboy has the glass ceiling.
And my first trip to LOS, I did the same thing -- staying at the Comfort Suites so I could get to the airport easily. (Ended up cabbing into town in any event, which made the whole idea stupid, since I also paid for two extra cab rides.) With that lovely 6:30am Northwest flight out, it's both cheaper and easier to stay where the action is, and at that hour it doesn't take more than a couple of minutes longer to get to the gates. Plus there's nothing like heading to the airport nice and mellow after a last session with a lovely TG to help put the long flight home in perspective.
Any suggestions?
On my way to the first trip to LOS in 2 weeks. Want to make the most of it and would appreciate the advice of you veteran hobbyists. My flight reaches at midnight on Sunday. Will probably be 1-1:30 by the time I reach the hotel. Would like to hump-start the week by a massage or quick bj at Rosemarys followed by bringing a cutie to the room to share my bed all night. Any suggestions? Sounds like the bars will be about to close at this time. Any massage places open? How are the pickings at gogo bars this late? Any tips for negotiating cheaper rates for LT since its the end of the day? Any other tips for picking up girls at this hour? I'd rather stick to the safer gogo bar girls since this is my first time.
Thanks a million for all you guys' help. Will certainly report back anything new I learn.
AT2, let's face it, they are all cute, regardless of the the bar !!!
i just happen to have had a really fun time with this particular girl, she was not pushy, didn't keep asking me to buy her drinks or BF her. Sure she was pretty, as i said, they all are. Was she the best looking girl in NEP ? Probably not. The price you talk about seems in line with the norm. Although, it seems BKK is quiet right now. has anybody found prices are down from a few months ago?
1ball
jayf Call marc at Eden Club. He will have a girl waiting for you in your hotel lobby. Good quality. You can email him at his clubs site.Just tell him exactly what u want. Most places are closed by 200. Nana hotel disco an Grace coffee shop open with freelancers
PurpleNGold
04-21-03, 05:27
Jayf,
Monger22's advice is solid. Also, you can use the website, www.edenclub-bkk.com, to book exactly what you want.
If you want something cheaper, you can always take a walk near Suk Soi 11 after 2AM and there'll be plenty of girls to choose from. These girls are bar girls that weren't bf'd but are still looking to make some money. Buy a group of them a bowl of noodles, flirt, play and then invite one or more back to your room. Cost will be something like 500-1000B for the rest of the evening.
Enjoy your trip.
Is anyone -ungay- going to be in Bkk in August (eventually earlier) and curious like me for 4-somes or 3-somes (mfm) with double-penetration? Thats just the thing you can´t do alone!! Always same same bumbum....why not a change?
Anyone interested pls contact me: fatdick_2003@yahoo.es.
Would also be interesting to learn about people´s experiences with this on the board!!!
Originally posted by jayf1970
Any suggestions?
On my way to the first trip to LOS in 2 weeks. Want to make the most of it and would appreciate the advice of you veteran hobbyists. My flight reaches at midnight on Sunday. Will probably be 1-1:30 by the time I reach the hotel. Any other tips for picking up girls at this hour? I'd rather stick to the safer gogo bar girls since this is my first time.
Thanks a million for all you guys' help. Will certainly report back anything new I learn.
You should have no problem picking up a freelancer and it is just as safe as a GO GO girl, just make sure she has a ID and the hotel will take and hold it until she leaves. Most girls will not steal because the hotels make copies of the ids. About Eden, great place and Marc does offer take up service. The fee complete for 10:00 pm until 6:00am is 2500 baht, well worth it. Above all just enjoy your trip.
Sexreview
JayF,
I dunno where you are staying, but if you are in the Nana Hotel Lobby at that time, up till about almost 3am you can find a plethera of babes to choose from. If you dont find one walk down to the Grace Hotel and hit up the Coffee shop there, again many babes to choose from.
As far as freelancers VS GoGo Babes, I have never personally had a problem with them being dishonest. I have had one not want to have sex, but what I did do to her was what I wanted to do any way. She had huge, I am talking TIG ole Bitties! At least Trip D's, and she was real short, which I like. Well I just Tittie banged her, painted her face and sent her on her way for 1100 baht. She wanted more, but I told her I didnt have anymore one me.
I wouldnt however pay more than 2000 baht for all night, and if you get someone that late (1 am to 3 am) I wouldnt pay more that 1500 baht.
Thaipan: I have posted about that subject on another board, but it wasnt Nanaplaza.com. Havent been inside nanaplaza.com yet.
Well JayF have a great time, remember what these guys have told you, and you will have a killer time.!
Cab from Suk for the 6:30am flight?
Are there cabs around at 4am or do I need to make special arrangements? Is 90 minutes enough time to check-in at the airport?
What is the weather in BKK in may like? Any suggestions - things to carry etc.?
internet access.
just found out thru email exchange with grand president that they offer unlimited use high speed adsl access in the room for 200b per day. they do however require a 5000b deposit. i don't quite understand why they need a deposit if i'm going to be using my laptop. anyways, thought i'd pass along this tidbit.
Hello again to everyone! Joe-Zop, Slinless, Freeler, etc. I have not been here (board) since our together in December at the Living Room. I left Bangkok before Christmas and try to forget about going Thailand for a while and so far it has work! But it has been 4 months and I am starting to get the shakes. After to many years of coming to the kingdom, at least four times a year. I need a a dose of fun in Thailand again! Plus, I have some business in Thailand. Is the amount of people down with SARS, the war, etc? I am planning a trip in June, pending SARS because I need to go to Hong Kong and China on Business for a few days.
I also found a new play ground on this side of the world, that is not Thailand, but every close! Dominican Republic. The cost is about 20% more than prices in Thailand for everything, but is closer and cheaper to get to from the U.S. The girls are more like GFE without the attachments of the Thai Girls after you see them a few times. They are into western type fun. Girls operate more like the freelancer in Thailand, but alot more fun. There is not the volumes of girls in the beach bars, gogo's etc., just more low key, and in some ways alot of fun! The girls go from light skin to every dark skin, 7 to 10's. It is worth a visit, for a long weekend, from the U.S., Chicago to D.R. is about 4 1/2 hours with a stop in Maimi.
I am going this weekend, with a friend to a place call Babylon. One price includes everything, my friend got a package deal at discounted rate, the cost is still high, but he paying. Check out the site http://www.babylonresorts.com/
But I still need some good old fun, the Thailand way!
Hey, JimHart, good to hear from you again. Yes, the number of people in LOS is down due to SARS, war, etc., but who knows what the situation will be by June.
I'd head to DR too if I had a friend paying, and you're right that it's a lot less travel, but Babylon's service does seem rather pricey. DR's been on my to-do list for a while, though I'll probably head back to Trinidad first next time I head to the region. Have a great weekend!
jim,
dood...let me know how that goes with babylon
tapioca1688@hotmail.com
it says that they ain't selling sex...so what the hell is that $750 for?
oh, email me...don't want to clutter up this board with DR stuff
tapioca
JimHart....Dominican Republic report is right on. Try Sousa for quality an low price. Did a week there in Feb. Babylon is to expensive but i hope you enjoyed it.
Keep in mind if you enter BKK from anywhere in China or Singapore you will be delayed in customs an tested for SARS.
They are getting strictor now. As they should with the Chinese covering up the severity of it in their country.
Still cant beat LOS. Tourists are down now an that means lower prices.
Jimhart69,
Tho I never had the urge to go back to DR after my 1994 visit it still would be a choice for a weekendtrip if I lived as close to it as you do...
Try not to eat, the food sucks:(! Go fuck'em instead:D!
PS Before this becomes one of History'sGreatLies: I wasn't at the LivingRoom...
I have been reading back, to get up to date again with the board, and I am missing someone, our friend from Korat, AdleZ (Z.elda)? Did he retire?
I will give you guys a update on D.R., when I get back. The discount rate my friend got, is alot below the post rate, but still high compare to Thailand. Yes, there is sex, 5 Star meals, tours, and girls, and you do not need to bring any money, the price includes everything. All of the girls Bi, and the deal my friend got, each of us have 3 girls the whole time! It should be great!
P.S. Sorry Freeler, for putting you at the get together!
Jimhart69,
I'd say: read the post below yours.
Could he be the one?
'old men in their underwear and guts hanging out running around with bazooka type water pistols playing Rambo.'
:D
This isn't so much as report as a "hey I'm going to be in BKK" msg. I'm Scottie69, whose based in Edinburgh, Scotland (see the Scotland forum which is the only (current) forum I've posted to; I posted to the Switzerland forum in the previous version of WSG under a prev. name).
Anyways, as a Thai quasi-newbie (was in BKK once before and attended Annie's) was v. interested if anyone in BKK (either perm or passing though) fancied a pint and scope of the "scene" from any time past 1 May till 1 July. I am travelling round SE Asia and am basing myself in BKK (the time periods depend on SARS :-( ) and would love to meet up (and buy drinks for!?! ;-) ) people like freeler, joe_zop, etc. from whom I've read (and learned) a lot from this forum. And of course, I certainly also would appreciate any knowledgable "guides" from this forum (for trips from the Beergarden to ???).
If you're going to be around in this period, please post here.
Ta!
John
Hey everyone,
I'm a chick magnet! My first night like a kid in candy store. Three girls within 5 hours.
First one barfined from front of disco at Nana, ST paid too much 1,500 plus 600 BF. Un-inspired lay but good learning experience,
Second tall half Chinnese girl free lancer, early 30's a genuine lovely experience, the best nipples I've EVER had.
Third free lancer 80-85 pounds, so wet and opened up like a barrel of honey! Technically the best in the bedroom, stayed what was left of the night and very wet and willing late next morning!
By 2:00 pm Friday found my way to beer garden, picked a truly beautiful face from across the bar, elegant lady, took her to dinner and back to Grand President (better than Majestic) for some excruciatingly sleepy sex! I was petered out!! Slept with her a few hours, nice body and very playful wanted me to take her for extended days. Long time no nut though, was beggining to think I had lost the old carnal feeling!
She left at 10:00 pm I walked to NEP to watch the parade. Was basically un-motivated for more action. I walked back to GP hotel door man lined me up with masseuse, she was sooooo sweeeeeet. 19 and adorable body, after great massage, she does the special 1,400 baht more would have gone lower but I was tired of negotiating. She put her heart into it, and really worth the time. Brought myself off in record time (10-15 min) and even pulled out once to prolong, snug and continued using hands and feet during sex . . . nicccccccce.
Sweeeet girl, she only gets paid 50 baht hour for massage, the doorman gets 300, her boss 250, so she says obviously she gets the special part of fee herself! What a life!
Went to hospital to Lazik surgery $1,000. both eyes appointment set for next week. My buddy Bill, recovering from liposuction, jeez what vanity the guy already has a physique most men would give a small toe for. Oh well, such is life in Bangkok.
Today we ride the sky hook, to weekend market, and Bill has a girl he say's she has a body that never seems to quit, so will try to hook up with her tonight and then to CM tomorrow. We are trying to find one of those rolling palaces to make the trip up North. I think the Empress Hotel sounds like best for us.
Later, thanks all, hope this helps!!
i' m in pattaya right now nbut a friend of mine emailed this information about the grace coffee shop. i never have really liked the place that much so it doesn't hurt me much also i never do drugs so even iof i was at the place i would walk out.
drug tests at grace last night
23/04/2003
well, last night they did it again. at 03:15am the music turned off and the lights turned on. police officers entered the grace coffee-shop with a bunch of tv(!)- and newspaper-reporters. some guys wanted to leave the shop immediately, some simply made trouble (they didn't want being filmed or photographed and were asking for the film). they were well taken care of. everybody had to make an [CodeWord109] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109)-test before he was allowed to leave the shop. one lady felt unconscious (what i have seen).
id-check: thais were asked for their id-card, while the foreigners were waved through (after the test of course). i heard some ladies asking their "boy-friends" for support ("give me money, i don't have id-card. you pay."). others were saying: "i showed them my brother's id-card. no problem".
however, the test had not to be taken under the eyes of any police officer. so, everybody who was in doubt, could very well have been able to manage a deal with somebody else. i have not any information, if anybody fails the test.
ps: the grace-guards were very rude to some people before they were handed over to the police (after the guys were making trouble).
Wow . . . I'm just now adjusting to the time change, now after three nights! My friend Bill introduced me to an 18 year old TG last night geez what a body!!! A ball of fire in the bedroom, perhaps on ectasy, she was olympic, crawling all over my cock, digging her heels in slapping my ass, moving all the time. Pretty, pretty, I don't think I could imagine a more perfect pussy and though I'm not much for DATY . . . that changed last night. What a nice pussy, I thought she was going to pull my face all the way in. I fianlly had a splitting headache orgasm, probably from lack of sleep and that hotter than hell weekend market trip in the afternoon. Geez JoeZop right about that inferno, all I could think about was sleeping between cool sheets!! Actaully all my good old reliable fantasy's are practically useless here I'm developing a whole new repertoire, ha, ha.
This is starting to become a challenge now that I'm adjusting to Bankok time and the scene. Leaving for CM this evening, think I'll visit Eden Club to see just how kinky I can be. Hope to find a stunner for GFE soon and keep for a few days!
G'day all,
I am on my way to the LOS for a few days R & R next month and I was wondering where I could find some quality, upmarket, freelance pussy in BKK??
I think I can remember reading a post a short time back on this site (I have reviewed all recent posts to find it but to no avail!!!) that there was a disco/nightclub in the Siam shopping area where you could pick up some beautiful and willing freelancers.
Could some monger out there be so kind as to post some more details about this disco if they think the know the place I am referring to.
Similarly any other relevant info. about the whereabouts of quality freelancers in BKK and Pattaya would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers for now.
Osakagin.
Osaka,
Tell the taxi "Novotel Siam Square"...see the sign for CM2 Disco.
walk in, pay ur 300bht, have fun
tapioca
Great to hear you're having a blast, Zidaho. Keep the reports coming.
Anyone have any info an location of club called Genisis? It looks upscale with theme nights an good food. Website does not give location. Girls look abit above the average.
Osaka...some near Soi 33 also
Anyone in BKK now? Ill be back in a month. Just wondering if SARS is keeping mongers away. Are GG bars full? Girls still there in force? Cant believe papers here so if you are there let us know. Thanks
PurpleNGold
04-28-03, 02:51
Monger22, what's the url?
Genisis club web site i think its on Soi 11 but no address in web site.
Gate1travel out of La $639 RT including 5 nites BKK hotel. Good till mid june.
that $639RT price is good only if the location of the hotel is strategic to the nightlife.
SA,
almost done...going to China in mid August to live...Beijing too...stocking up on masks now...
tapioca
any idea of who the $639 fare is on? it might be worth going to LAX
cave as in "cave man" bonk 'em on the head and then boink 'em? ;-)
PurpleNGold
04-29-03, 05:15
Just checked gate 1's website and it states the BKK trip is $739 with a $61 single supplement.
Hi guys,
I will be in BKK in mid-may and can anyone give me info of sexy cute girls who love anal and oral.
Yhanks for the info. Also I really like the info on your site,
Thanks,
AO MAN
Osakagin
In addition to the Novotel in Siam Square, check out the Hard Rock Cafe in the same location!
Here is a report on Babylon in D.R. told you guys I would give you. It is not Thailand, but it is fun in the kick back on the beach and play with the girls way. Thailand is still the best place for the fun, But D.R. is a few hours from the U.S. and in the same time zone. I will be going back. The Girls are into the American type of GFE, with no long term setup after you see her for more than two days. They do not have that stick to you, because you are the escape for them out of the country and out of this life. They are looking for fun too! If you are looking for a long weekend a few hours away from the U.S., it is worth a trip!
I just got back from a great trip in the Dominican Republic. I went on a package with Babylon Resorts (www.babylonresorts.com). What Babylon Resorts is more of a tour guide setup. They basically take care of everything that you will need, you paid the fees for the trip and you will not spend another dime the whole trip! This is the PG reversion, but I can say 36 hours into the trip, I needed to re-load on Condoms, I thought I had enough.
Once you arrive at the D.R., you will go thru custom, etc and they will have a driver waiting for you. This driver will stay at the same hotel with you the whole trip, at any time you can give him a call and he will take care of anything you need on the whole trip. Once I came in contact with the Driver, Victor (who spoke very good English, which was good, because I do not speak Spanish), in my case because I was arriving late, at the Airport here came the 3 girls I pick from the site. We drove to the Hotel about 20 minutes from the Airport, which was all setup and ready to good. Once in the room, while talking to the girls, Victor ran to the store and got some snack foods, Beer, Rum and some Coke.
Once everything got setup, Victor asked what I wanted to do and I said I just wanted to hang out, after a long delay flight to D.R. Because of a flight delayed the trip took 10 hours from Minneapolis. The rest of the night was fun with the girls.
The next day, got up and had early lunch and off to the beach, for some fun in the sun. The people in D.R. live for one thing, I believe, FUN! They want to enjoy life; you can walk around drinking in the street with no problems. You see the locals drinking and partying 24 hours a day. It is a fun place to go and see. The people are friendly and seem to enjoy the tourist hanging out in their country.
While on the beach, they had food delivered, kind of a picnic setup. Did some swimming, played with the girls, etc. After a few hours, headed back to the hotel, did some more swimming in the pool. Then back to the room for some fun. After a short rested, went to eat and walk over to the club area with the driver and one of the girls. Had some beers, rum and fun! Then head down to the beach with the girl for a mid-night walk. After that, went back to the Hotel, drink around the pool with the girls and few other people. Then up to the room to close the day out, about 3 or 4 in the morning.
Got up on Sunday, hung-out around the pool most of the day, some of us were dealing with a hang-over and getting ready for another evening and night of fun.
It is defining a great deal! Staying with the people at Babylon Resorts, you will not have a concern in life. They will take care of everything. All you need to do is bring yourself!
The girls will stay with you the whole time or come and go as you would like. Some of the girls are Bi, some of them are into 3-somes and some are into one on one.
For the cheap people that do not like the package thing and talk how much money it costs. There are two ways of thinking. One save the money and hunt up the fun, spent 75% of your time hunting for the fun and 25% having the fun or spent the money up front and have 100% of time be fun.
The girls are great! Great looking, a lot of fun and not burned out of life from working in the clubs, etc., they were GFE plus! These girls are 9 or 10 in looks and the 3 girl I seen, were 10’s in attitude and fun. Walking with the girls on the beach, club area in Boca Chica got looks from both the locals and foreigners.
Yes, you can spend 50 to 75 U.S. to pickup a girl in D.R. for a night, than pay 40 for a hotel room, 3 meals for 30, drinks for 30, and 30 more on misc. things. So you spent 200 a day trying to be a (cheap) king and doing all the work yourself, while on vacation or you can spent more, and be the King with everything bought to you; food, drinks, fun and of coarse the girls, with no work being done by yourself. With tour guides that know the area, and the fun to be had!
The best place in the world for adult fun is still Thailand. But Bangkok is 22 hours away and upset down on the time zone (12 hours difference). D.R. is 1 ½ hours from Miami and is in E.S. Time Zone. It is great for a long weekend.
jimhart69 ,
$2400 for 3 night and 4 days! Holy shit, that's $800 for a day.
For that amount of money, I can have a different girl everyday, for at least 2-3 weeks, hotel included.
Ok, at least 2 weeks with at least 15 different holes, and everything is included, air fare, hotel, meals, etc.
Are you working for that escort service man?
What is wrong with doing a little work? One had to work and earn that money anyway.
enjoyguy,
If you would have readed the posting last week on this, that I post. You would know, this was a free trip for me, because a business friend was paying and the rate was cheaper than $2400.00. My friend was able to get a discount. Plus your math is off, it would be $600.00 a day. And no I am not working or this service.
In Thailand, if you call looking for a girl is work, you have issues. Walk 10 feet in Bangkok and you will find one.
The thing I like about D.R. over Thailand, is how close D.R. is to Home. Chicago to D.R. is 5 hours Airport to Airport and in the same time zone. Thailand is 22 hours and 12 hours different in time. For a long weekend trip, it is easy to get to D.R. A 4 day weekend trip to Thailand is about 36 hours in Thailand, I have done it before for business and it is to short.
Thailand is still the best place in the world for adult fun, without question. After living in Asia for 10 years and now traveling 3 to 4 times a year to Asia for another 10 years. Nothing touches Thailand. But with running a business and having no time to take a week here and there for fun in Thailand, the next best thing is D.R. The package is costly, but compare to what. To Thailand it is too much, but compare to the U.S., it is a bargin.
The package is great because you do not need to do a thing, just party and have fun. I have gone to D.R. solo and the cost is about 25% more than Thailand, but you will be hunting up the fun, especially on your first visit. But now I have three new friends, that have more friends.
Jimhart69...glad u had fun..Would you spend your own money??
$800 a night an a 12 hour flight? Thats rich bro..Try Sousa next time.Stay at Sousa Palace. $40 an shes yours for the night. $50 hotel. Food an drink$50. Youll have the time of your life, still be in DR an have saved $670 a night.Am i missing something here?
I do long weekends in DR from NYC so i know the time advantage.
But give me SE Asia everytime.
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