2003 Bangkok Reports [Archive] - Page 4

JayDawg

05-02-03, 09:45

This is for Oskagin, and anyone else looking for Freelance action:

The Factory, is a pool hall located across Suhkumvit Rd from the Landmark Hotel.

My travel partner Big Dawg and I, went there about 4 different times during our trip in March. The place is pretty new, maybe about 6 months old. It has two floors with lots of Pool Tables, good music, a Bar to drink at, and Internet access also.

They serve food also if you get hungry. The place had many freelance TGs everytime we went. The ones that are in there, are more of the Office Girl type, then full time Freelancers.

I would equate this place to a pool hall you might go to in the states, and try and pick up women at. You can talk with them, play pool with them. Some of the TGs got there to relax for a little while, play pool, and have a beer or two.

I fell in love with this one girl, she had long hair down to her big gorgeous azz, and these killer dark eyes. I was SOL because I already had a girl I grabbed up in Pattaya the day before. I played pool with this girl and flirted with her the whole time. She didnt know that I was with someone else already until the game ended and she told me she was leaving and asked what I do now.

I had to break the news to her and my dick, that I was with my firends over there, and pointed to the table with Big Dawg, his girl, and my girl.

The Factory at the least is a great place to kick back and relax, and play a few games of pool. The place is real low presure, and not pushy like many other places in BKK. Check it out, I am sure you will like it.

Jay

1Ball

05-02-03, 12:51

Joe_Zop, thanks for the heads up on the massage place on Soi 8. It is about 30 feet up on the right, called"thai original massage", and shares with a travel agency. 2 hours, 300B, with a cute little thing called Goe, she twisted and kneaded and bent me into all sorts of shapes, massaging away with that unmistakle rocking motion that is so inherently Thai. Even walked on my back, (no, not opening up a can of worms as to where back walking started). So, thanks again, I highly reccommend it and her to anybody wanting a genuine Thai masage, with no "extras".
Off to AW, in NEP to find that sweet fun girl i talked about a couple of weeks ago.
BTW, quite an ordeal upon arrival at Don Muang. teams of nurses and doctors meet every arriving flight, take your temperature with an infra red camera and ask you a few questions. The airport was empty, everybody is staying away.

1ball.

Skinless

05-02-03, 13:05

1ball: Did she know what she was doing? Did she hurt you and twist you up? Older ones are generally best. Did she give your feet a good going over as they are the key to a good massage? I like good massages, good workouts, not just FFF sex like these other losers. Was it a good massage? This is really importnat to me as I like them a lot and find them very good for me. But I believe in divsion of labor: I do not want a massage by a houng ho who is no good at it. Thanks. I will check it next time. It is laso a good way of taking a break in between fuck bouts.

Joe Zop

05-02-03, 13:34

Glad to hear you liked it -- there's also a place on the left side of the same soi just a little further on which usually does a pretty good job. They tend to have the older ladies Skinless prefers, who can really make you whimper. Both places are also pretty fairly priced for the area.

1Ball

05-04-03, 01:04

she was actually rather young, so i was a little apprehansive at first, but she was great, stuck her elbows deep into my feet, and yes did make me whimper and squirm quite a bit. i especially liked it when she lay on her back, her kness together up in the air and had me laid out on my back on top of her knees, rolling me from side to side. I was impressed, considering i am 200lbs and she only 90 at the most.
will try the place up the street when i return. (i am off to work in Bali for 10 days)
Never saw the girl at AW. She has moved on, or had the night off. I am pissed off at myself, fell into the newbie trap, (haven't we all) had fantasies about her for 4 weeks, waiting to get back to the big Durian to see her. God, i miss the constant repetitions of ***** teling us all to 3F, and nothing else. Have learned my lesson. Found a nice FL, as i was walking back to the Grand President (they are desperate for business, got a HUGE suite for the price of a studio) and she helped me forget my woes.

1ball

1Ball

05-04-03, 01:07

interesting.... i actually typed the name of our favorite video game maniac in my last report, and it comes up as *****. he really has been banned, hasn't he? even the mention of his name is "bleeped"
let's see what happens when i type in Adle....Z

1Ball

05-04-03, 01:09

it worked !!!

Josip

05-04-03, 23:23

Does anybody know where I can buy Viagra in Bangkok ? I've heard there's a lot of fake ones sold as well. I've even heard that all 100mg tablets are fakes. Never having bought the stuff, I wouldn't know. Besides, I don't think I'd dare use more than half a 50 mg tablet at one go. I'd rather check the effects of that first, before I use a whole tablet.

Joe Zop

05-05-03, 00:14

There are plenty of places to buy real Viagra in Bangkok -- sure there's some fake stuff floating around (as well as generics, and fake versions of that) but it's not the majority of what's out there. It's certainly not true that all the 100mg pills are fake. If you want to be certain, just do what I do and only buy sealed Pfizer packages as opposed to pills scooped out of a jar.

I think it's foolish to buy 50mg pills, as they cost almost as much as the 100s -- just pack a pill cutter with you (they tend to be ridiculously overpriced in LOS) or use a knife or razor to cut them into whatever sizes you want. The place I usually use is on Soi 13 because they sometimes have Penagra as well, which is cheaper, but I've bought from several other places along Sukhumvit as well without any problems.

Dinghy

05-05-03, 02:51

I got some "kamagra" 100mg (supposedly sudenafil citrate) from the pharmacy across the street from Sureena in Pattaya (200B/pill). ASSUMING the "real" Pfizer one I got before was (real, that is) the effect was similar (if in my case, minimal) so there's another "generic name" for the blue wonder vitamin.

Dinghy

05-05-03, 02:54

OK Samus, so exactly WHERE is this marvelous soapie? Enquiring minds want "sort of" locations. Ratchada? where's that? (prices???) was the 2000B the room cost in Emerald or the soapie cost?

19 days and counting

Joe Zop

05-05-03, 03:07

Kamagra, Silagra, Penagra, Caverta, and Veega are all types of generic Viagra.

Meltabs is the same thing only in oral lozenge form.

Philo

05-05-03, 14:58

dinghy,

you will info on the upscale mp's in the posts and links on the Bankok Massage Parlors thread.

Intransit

05-06-03, 03:48

Brothers in LOS,

Haven't been in Bangcock for about six months, just wondering what the situation is at a couple of my faves, AngelWitch at NEP and Long Gun at Soi Cowboy. Hot chicks, good shows? Heading down there later this week from the land of SARS, but fear not, I'm fever-free.

Also, what's the official closing time now? Still 2-ish? Any non-Thermae, non-Grace Hotel bars that are allowed to stay open later?

SexReview

05-06-03, 13:33

Originally posted by intransit
Brothers in LOS,

Haven't been in Bangcock for about six months, just wondering what the situation is at a couple of my faves, AngelWitch at NEP and Long Gun at Soi Cowboy. Hot chicks, good shows? Heading down there later this week from the land of SARS, but fear not, I'm fever-free.

Also, what's the official closing time now? Still 2-ish? Any non-Thermae, non-Grace Hotel bars that are allowed to stay open later?

Intransit,

Angel Witch is the same as it always has been, the girls are still very hot, good music and shows great. Yhe prices are still high in the club. It was one of the few clubs that I found were the girls would not come down from 2000 baht short time. I guess if you want to play at Angel you must play. A better bet is Long Gun, same level of services and girls but the prices are better.

The closing time is still 2:00 for the clubs. After 2:00 if you don't want to do the Nana Hotel, Grace Coffee Shop sence try going over to Foodland on Soi 5. I have always found it a great place to find girls after hours.

Sexreview

Dinghy

05-06-03, 23:29

Samus, some of us are newbies and don't know the city layout very well. I finally figured out where "Emerald" (located thru booking service) was and then located what looks like an extension of "Asoke Soi 21" on the map (ratchadaphisek street name). I assume it's south of Suk since the road apparently starts there. I wasn't asking an idle question because I REALLY didn't have any idea where the road was (much less the soapies loacted on it).

Philo - I couldn't determine where the road was (see above). Hell, I have trouble remembering where my hotel is until I look at the soi numbers. Come out to Suk, turn right to Nana (or was that LEFT?...) <smile>

since the map link to "bangkok sanuk maps" went to Yahoo group, I can't just go browse a map and see the "interesting locations". Anybody have a good link to a similar map site? Obviously the "hand 'em out free" (paper) maps don't have the type of info we are seeking.

Joe Zop

05-07-03, 04:46

Dinghy, the Yahoo group is well worth joining for the maps -- that's pretty much all that's there. There are some other maps around, but these are truly the best for what folks here are looking to find. That said, there are also some maps, including one that includes the Emerald and its region, at http://www.**************.com/maps

ExpatCat

05-07-03, 05:21

Hi All,

What is the current update on the effect of SARS in the LOS ? While I don't want (or need) to travel to Singapore, China or Hong Kong, I'm planning a trip to LOS next month. The WHO claim it's not on their 'hot' lists. What is the view from the ground where you are ? All comments appreciated. BTW, I'm don't panic, I'm just naturally cautious and like to get the facts.
Cheers,

Joe Zop

05-07-03, 05:49

Can't give you the view from the ground, but the last reported SARS case in Thailand was on April 12th, and there are currently no active cases -- all those with it have either died or recovered, and there is absolutely no evidence of local transmission.

Skinless

05-07-03, 06:12

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2969247.stm

sars: Please read the above if you want an update on sars in Thailand or anywhere else. Better still, learn to use your fucking web browser. This is a site for people to speak about paid sex, not a fucking health/weather etc forum. I tune into this and I get the 5 millionth message from Johnny Fuckface or someone going on about how many cockroaches are in hotel a as compared to hotel b. . Check into them and find out. Then there are the assholes going on about the weather. Check yahoo weather for fuck's sake.

If you are worried about cockroaches/SARS etc don't go. Stay at home and jerk off.

Check out the Oregon page to see how and what is a proferssional post.

Thaipan

05-07-03, 09:38

Originally posted by JayDawg
This is for Oskagin, and anyone else looking for Freelance action:

The Factory, is a pool hall located across Suhkumvit Rd from the Landmark Hotel.

My travel partner Big Dawg and I, went there about 4 different times during our trip in March. The place is pretty new, maybe about 6 months old. It has two floors with lots of Pool Tables, good music, a Bar to drink at, and Internet access also.

They serve food also if you get hungry. The place had many freelance TGs everytime we went. The ones that are in there, are more of the Office Girl type, then full time Freelancers.

I would equate this place to a pool hall you might go to in the states, and try and pick up women at. You can talk with them, play pool with them. Some of the TGs got there to relax for a little while, play pool, and have a beer or two.

I fell in love with this one girl, she had long hair down to her big gorgeous azz, and these killer dark eyes. I was SOL because I already had a girl I grabbed up in Pattaya the day before. I played pool with this girl and flirted with her the whole time. She didnt know that I was with someone else already until the game ended and she told me she was leaving and asked what I do now.

I had to break the news to her and my dick, that I was with my firends over there, and pointed to the table with Big Dawg, his girl, and my girl.

The Factory at the least is a great place to kick back and relax, and play a few games of pool. The place is real low presure, and not pushy like many other places in BKK. Check it out, I am sure you will like it.

Jay

Jaycawg, is that the place where the girls wear those cute little blue and white uniforms, close to Best Barber shop on Suk RD? I didn't know it was an "office girl" type free lance place! What is the best time to go there and which floor is better?

Thaipan

Dinghy

05-07-03, 13:39

Joe - "SARS...all those with it have either died or recovered, and there is absolutely no evidence of local transmission"

is there another option??? ;-)

16 days and counting

WISteve

05-08-03, 12:36

Just back from Bangkok for my first two weeks of heaven! I'll post the full blow-by-blow report soon, but must compliment Marc at Eden Club for two wonderful experiences. Since I came in on the 11 pm United flight, I didn't make it to Majestic Suites until 12:30 at night. I had "ordered in" thru Marc and was delighted with Nok, a small dark lady with minimal language skills. English skills were the only thing she lacked and she was a delight to spend my first night in Bangkok with. Willing and able in all respects. And I was pleased with her warm, snuggly personality after the fact. Well worth the trouble for those who wish a truly open-minded experience.
After sampling other tallents for ten days, I stopped in to Eden club at approx. 3 in the afternoon May 3rd and inquired whether Nok was working. Her head popped up from a book and she ran across the room into my arms with that same adorable smle and remembered my name. She introduced her friend Ann who was thinner with a firm body and it was a threesome before I knew it. My only regret was that I didn't wait until Marc had the whole crew assembled, because there must of been nearly 20 ladies there and several were truly beautiful. But I had a fantastic time with the two of them. Relaxed fun time with the two ladies who pamper you to no end. We were laughing and giggling most of the time. One point you might remember is to buy the ladies a drink before heading up those endless stairs to save time.

If you are looking for a truly chauvanistic experience Eden Club will fill the bill !

WISteve

Jaimito Cartero

05-09-03, 07:56

I needed a little break, and got an email from Northwest with $458 plus tax ticket to Bangkok. I jumped on it.

I've spent about 3 hours looking through all the messages, and am overwhelmed at all the stuff going on. I'd like to get a good feel for the country, without killing myself.

I'll have a little over 6 days in country. I've seen lots of info on the bars, and Eden and some of the soapy massage places looks interesting.

What would you guys suggest as a nice tour? Not banging 4 chicks a night. I'm too old and fat for that. Is Pattaya worth the trip? I hear the Navy is going to be in the area next week when I arrive.

Also, what type of tourism stuff is there to do in the area? Thanks!

Bottler

05-09-03, 11:04

Jaimito

I'd give Pattaya a miss if I were you. Too tacky unless you just want girls! As your time limited I would spend a couple of days in Bangkok then head for Phuket, which has the best of everything. Base yourself in Patong Beach and explore the island from there.
I'd fly down to save time, a return ticket should be around $150 US and its only an hour or so flying time. Have a good time!

SexReview

05-09-03, 11:23

Originally posted by Jaimito Cartero
I needed a little break, and got an email from Northwest with $458 plus tax ticket to Bangkok. I jumped on it.
I'll have a little over 6 days in country.......
What would you guys suggest as a nice tour? Not banging 4 chicks a night. I'm too old and fat for that. Is Pattaya worth the trip? I hear the Navy is going to be in the area next week when I arrive.
Also, what type of tourism stuff is there to do in the area? Thanks!
Jaimito,
I don't think a trip to Thailand is complete with going to Pattaya. If I could only do one place Bangkok or Pattaya, it is Pattaya hands down. Don't worry about the Navy being in town it is not a problem. Cobra Gold has been cut way back this year less than 6000 US Troops so on any given night only a few hundred are in town. The only time things are nuts is when a carrier group comes to port and puts several thousand guys hit the clubs.

Many other non sex things to do if you want. Trips to the Islands, boating, fishing, horseback riding, shooting ranges, temple tours, zoos, trecks, and a thousand other things too. Just go and have a great time.

With only six days I would not go to Phuket, as it will take to much of your time. Even taken a airplane down you will lose almost a day traveling between transfers and flights. Pattaya is only two hours from Bangkok by car and about a hour and one half from the airport so a very easy trip.
Sexreview

Joe Zop

05-09-03, 13:42

Jamito: with only six days you don't really want to waste much of that traveling around from place to place, which means you're really not going to get a sense of Thailand as a whole, but mostly one spot. I'd just pick one place, be it beach, north, Bangkok/ Pattaya, whatever, and stay around there. Since you're arriving via Northwest, it makes Phuket a bit more problematic, as it probably means you're going to arrive late at night and leave very early in the morning. This means you'd have to travel to Phuket on a separate day from when you arrive and then return at least the day before you're scheduled to leave. For me, even though I agree with Bottler that Phuket is great, with much more spectacular scenery and a really resort feel, and that such a trip really gives a completely different taste of Thailand, that would simply be too much time wasted hanging around airports. I'd cross the north off my list for the same reason. (If you had several extra days my advice would be different.)

There's plenty of touristy stuff to do in the Bangkok area, from temples to shopping to the Bridge on the River Kwai, etc., all of which can be done on day or half-day trips. By the same token, Pattaya would at least get you outside of the big crazy city and near one of the Thai beaches (albeit one of the more underwhelming and dirty ones.)

If I were you and this were my first visit, I'd probably divide my time between Bangkok and Pattaya -- they're close enough that you're not wasting a lot on travel time, and there's enough to do within the general range of both places to keep you occupied. They're different enough that you can get a little better taste of LOS than you would being only in one or the other. I'd start in Bangkok, spend half my time there, head to Pattaya, and leave for the airport directly from there. If your interest is slightly more touristy than sanuking, you might want to do four days in Bangkok and two in Pattaya, though odds are that in any event you're going to end up preferring one to the other. (IMHO the tourist stuff around Bangkok is better, though there are certainly things to do around Pattaya as well.) It's simple enough and they're close enough to each other that you can just play it by ear and decide on the spur of the moment.

Also, if I were in your situation, I'd probably just say screw it and spring for a taxi or limo from Bangkok to Pattaya rather than dealing with the bus, even though the bus is a whole lot cheaper. With a limited amount of time, who wants to waste a couple of extra hours waiting around or dealing with logistics versus paying twenty bucks and keeping it simple? (It's different if you've been there and know the drill exactly.) Plus if you're "old and fat" it would be a more comfortable trip.

Don't worry about the Navy in the least. They might even make for an interesting addition to the scenery for you, and you're sure as heck not going to run short of options just because they're around.

Freeler

05-09-03, 15:55

Jamito,

I agree on Joe_zop's suggestion to go to BKK-Pattaya half-half.

Pattaya has nothing of cultural/historical significance. Tiffany's, the crocodile farm etc are all a waste of time and money!

In Bangkok the Temple of the Emerald Buddha and the Royal Palace, both in one compound, are a must see and easy to reach from Sukhumvit (taxi), where you probably will be staying.
Look at this map: http://www.thaifocus.com/bangkok/skytrainmap.htm
Sukhumvit is along the E-line, the temple and palace are basicly on the road to the left from CS/NationalStadium, but not on the map:(.
Wear long sleeve shirt and trousers (or you will have to queue to obtain proper attire!).

Jaimito Cartero

05-09-03, 21:14

Thanks for all the great info. I was leaning towards a half/half excursion, and I think it makes sense.

I'd love to see more of the country, but after flying for over 18 hours, I think I'd like to NOT see an airplane for about a week.

I'm a bit concerned about some of the stuff I'm seeing about being charged extra if I wear shorts, and needing a long sleeve shirt and trousers.

I live in the desert south west, and I don't think I own a long sleeve shirt. I wear shorts 364 days a year, and own one pair of jeans otherwise. I'm a casual sandals type dude. (And pants are pretty uncomfortable for the most part).

Am I going to run into lots of problems because of this?

If I'm going to spend 3 days in BKK and 3 days in Pattaya, what are some of the "must do" sex locations? So far, I've penciled in Eden and one of the Soapy places in BKK.

One stupid question, what type of electricity do they use? I haven't seen reference to this yet. I have some electronics stuff that I need to plug in.

I am on a budget, and was really surprised at some of the hotel costs ($10-$20 per night). Are these decent places? Good bed, A/C, secure?

If anyone has recommendations for places that are either close to the action (but not so noisy you can't sleep), or close to trains and so forth, I'd really appreciate it.

And finally, I am a big guy, and though I generally haven't had problems in the US or Central America, I don't know how the general population will react in Thailand. I have a sumo wrestler shape, let's say. :)

Freeler

05-09-03, 22:34

Jaimito,

The Temple of the Emerald Buddha is one of the most important sites in Thai Buddism and probably the only place where shorts are truly banned. I'm not sure if they charge extra for the attire, but jeans and sandals will do and sleeves that touch your elbows probably will do too. The worst thing is being in the queue. It may take an hour before it is your turn. A waste of time!

Noise: bring earplugs!

Only an idiot or someone travelling for the company spends more than B1,200 ($30) on a hotel!
B800 places can be very good indeed.
I won't commend on aircon: I hate it.
Taxi's in BKK will be well within the budget, don't mess around with buses, use the skytrain. (That same map, remember?) Trains are no use to you, unless you want to travel to Pattaya by train. (HuaLamPong station 7.00AM or Makkasan station 7.12AM - Pattaya 10.43AM)

If you are BIG you will turn more heads than little guys do. Don't expect to find too many girls over 5ft4!

'I am on a budget'. Who isn't? A firsttimer on a short trip, like yourself: For a hundred bucks (B4,000)a day
you are the King of Pattaya. BKK takes perhaps a little more.

Electricity is 220V.

Must do sex location: Pattaya is a must do sex location:D!

PS Remember you're saving appr. $250 on the ticket. Spend it in the HolyLand!

The Traveler

05-09-03, 23:15

Jaimito Cartero :

You won't be charged if you wear shorts, but you need some proper clothes to enter the temples. You have to dress up accordingly, which means, no shorts and no shirts which do not cover your shoulders.

You can dress up like you want to, but you got to decide if you want to look cheap or not. Thais are very tolerant. You can do what ever you like as long as you don't harm anybody. Even if you do anything wrong they will just smile ( = stupid farang). But be careful, not every thai girl is a ho. A wrong approach at the wrong girl and you can end up as a dead corpse in the worst case.

Don't be scared, it's easy to figure out if a girl ISN'T a ho. In the common places like NEP, soi cowboy, soi 33 and so on most or almost all girls are ho's. Just smile, be polite, don't use bad language and do not touch and you will be safe even if you were looking for a non-working girl. Also keep in mind that a smile can have different meanings in thailand. It's not always a welcome, come and grab me !

Read the Thailand FAQ, it is very good for a newbie.

Mongering for a newbie in BKK :

Nana Plaza (NEP) at Sukhumvit Soi 4
Soi Cowboy at Asoke
PatPong (even if I do not like it, you should see yourself)

Leave out soi 33 and most other spots like the discos, cause you got only 3 days. Do it on your next trip.

Poseidon is my favourite soapie. There are many more, but value for money is quite good there and a nice collection of girls too.
Also Chavalla II (only bath and BJ) is nice too see.

Sightseeing in BKK :

Grand Palace and Wat Phra Kaew, Wat Poo and Wat Arun all close together.
Wat Traimit (5 t Golden Buddha) and Wat Benchamabophit.

There are over 500 temples in Bangkok, but these are the most beautiful.

Mongering for a newbie in Pattaya :

Soi 2 (mostly open bars). The bars between soi 2 and soi 1 (opposite BIG C) have better looking girls.

Soi 7 and Soi 8, only open beer bars but a huge amount of girls close together and cheaper than gogo girls.

Maybe soi Yamato and soi Post-office. Have a look.

Soi Pattayaland I and II.

Walking Street (mostly gogos and a few beer bars).
My favourite there is Living Dolls 2. Lots of real cute girls, but sometimes hard to get. They are choosy and they can, cause they get approached a hundred times every night.

There are also a few soapies in Pattaya around soi 2. Sabailand, Sabairoom and Sabai Dee. All equal quality.

Leave out Naklua. Enough to do in Pattaya. Keep something new for your next trip.

Sightseeing in Pattaya :

Nothing.

Avoid Nong Nooch village, Khao Kiau, Tiger Zoo and the like. You came for something different. Don't waste your time.
Only Mini Siam might be interesting for you. It is located directly at the Highway close to North Pattaya. Entrance fee was - 8 yrs ago as far as I remember - 200 baht.

Acommodation in BKK :

In Bangkok stay close to Sukhumvit. At soi 8 there are a few hotels around 800 per night. Quite basic, but safe and silent.

Majestic close to the action for about 1500.

Royal President at soi 15 for about 2000 and up.

Acommodation in BKK :

Sabai Inn at soi 2 is clean and nice for 800-1000.
At soi 8 in the middle of the action is the Eastiny. There are two and I always mistake them. The one close to the Sunbeam is better than the one close to the beach, approx. 800.
Also the Penthouse might be a choice, nice decorated rooms and prime location at soi Pattayaland, ranging from 700 - 6000 up.
But they have roaches.

Keep your valuables in the hotel safe - almost every hotel provides them for free at the reception or in the room - and never carry to much money with you. Thailand is safe and girls do not steal (usually). Just precautions and common sense.

ST bar 500 (=cheap charlie) - 800
ST gogo 1000-1500
LT bar 1000 and up
LT gogo 1500 - 2000 and up

Always pay accordingly. The better the service the higher the payment. That way you do not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) the girls off. Be a cheap charlie (without reason) for one and you can't get all the others at the same bar. Since this is serous business for the girls, money talks.

BTW, book nothing in advance. SARS has taken its toll and prices are down. Go, see and choose.

Hope that helps.

Joe Zop

05-09-03, 23:34

These guys have summed up the dress stuff, and it's really about showing respect at temples and cultural places, and Thais are big on respect and on being well-dressed. You probably don't want to do jeans as they'll be too warm -- a pair of light and loose cotton pants are what you're after. Given your size, you'll probably want to take them with you, as most clothing in LOS is going to run small.

Electricity is 220volts, so you'll need an adapter if your electronics aren't dual-voltage. You might also want to pick up a plug adapter just in case, though it's not going to be a problem in most hotels in Bangkok or Pattaya.

And you won't be the only sumo-wrestler-type tourist in Thailand. Thais will probably tease you about about it, as they tease lots of farangs about their size compared to Thais, but it will be done in a good-natured way and always accompanied by that lovely smile. If you join in (say, referring to yourself as "Chang," meaning elephant, which also happens to be the Thai national symbol) then you'll have a great time and will be well-treated.

The Traveler

05-09-03, 23:37

Freeler :

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Only an idiot or someone travelling for the company spends more than B1,200 ($30) on a hotel!
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So I am an idiot :-)
You are right, rooms for 800 baht in BKK and even some for 600 baht in Pattaya will do and would provide everything one needs. Aircon, TV, fridge, shower with hot water and most important a queen or king sized bed. They also should be fairly clean.

But some of us are not only looking for a room to drop our bag. I like the atmosphere and the amenities of the better and more expensive hotels. You always get what you pay for.

Do not want to start a discussion. Anyway, this should be placed at the hotel section. No need to reply.

Dinghy

05-10-03, 04:46

Jaimito - Even if you only monger "nit noi" (a little) you will enjoy Pattaya. Clothes - I'm 6-2 and 270 and I found little problem finding clothes that fit - in fact when I go back in 2 weeks (and counting) I'm actually tempted to take almost nothing and buy there. Sukhumvit has some sellers of "big" stuff (fits my 46 waist, 52 chest, anyway) not fancy but reasonable. IF you want fancy, you get a suit or 2 made (mine were in Pattaya 250 for 2 suits, 3 xtra pants, 5 shirts - and I'm pretty sure I overpaid by about 35 to 50 one other thing, for some reason, the suits only have a pants pocket on the RIGHT - I like on BOTH; shirts have a pocket LEFT, I like both - so IF you want it that way, tell them) I found that a seersucker shirt (Hawaiian would do too) is probably best for "doi" (mountain) or "chang" "elephant" sized folks like "us" - you will find that you might want to rinse it 2 or 3 times per day and wring it out (the ultimate wash'n'wear). I guarantee that if you walk and eat less (you might not want so much in the heat/humidity) you WILL lose weight - almost 20 pounds in 15 days. IF you want a live show in Pattaya, go to "bold lion" (upstairs, side soi off walking street leading to "club nui", adam-eve, eve-eve, balloons, candles, etc etc. 1 200B ($5 more or less) beer is all they want plus any tips you may feel like contributing - carry 20B bills, they work well as tips - I used to think that Mexico was good at $1 tip, this beats that at 50cents per and they ARE GRATEFUL! - hard to find a "touchy-feely", though)

1 issue, though - you DO get what you pay for in a room. IF you book Royal Asia Lodge (search google) over the net, the price is better. They have the advantage of being QUIET but the disadvantage of being some 500 meters more or less down (south) Soi 8. Costs about 1000/day including tax/service and the security is superb (they check/copy her ID) free tuk-tuk ride to Soi 8

MeatMan

05-10-03, 05:06

This hasn't been brought up,

Hey, what do you Love/Hate about Thailland guys(other than the obvious) Like to know!

Jaimito Cartero

05-10-03, 06:12

I guess I get to be Jaimito Chang now!

I really appreciate all the quick and thorough responses I've gotten so far. I know how easy it is to make some stupid moves and totally ruin a trip.

I think they'll probably call me double Chang, since I weigh in at about 400! It sounds so much better when you convert it to Kilograms, though.

I'm going to look for a phrase book tomorrow, and I'll spend hours tonight going through the FAQ files.

Has anyone gotten normal shirts made there? I usually wear a polo style, and sometimes have problems with the cotton ones shrinking. (5XL!)

Freeler

05-10-03, 06:47

The_Traveler,

<<Acommodation in BKK :

Sabai Inn at soi 2 is clean and nice for 800-1000.
At soi 8 in the middle of the action is the Eastiny. There are two and I always mistake them. The one close to the Sunbeam is better than the one close to the beach, approx. 800.
Also the Penthouse might be a choice, nice decorated rooms and prime location at soi Pattayaland, ranging from 700 - 6000 up.>>

Typo I guess, these places are in Pattaya...

Europeans,

Austrian Airlines now flies to BKK for €499 round trip... and will do so all summer. Cathay is damned cheap now too, via HK.

Thaipan

05-10-03, 11:36

WISteve,

Glad you had fun with Nok and enjoyed your visit to Eden. Marc has certainly improved the looks of a lot of the girls recently. Eden is always my number one stop when I get to BKK< just to hit the ground running so to speak!!!

Thaipan

The Traveler

05-10-03, 12:01

Jaimito, Freeler :

Yep, that was a typo. That's what happen when you use copy/paste. Thx for the correction.

The Traveler

05-10-03, 12:10

Jaimito, dinghy :

The exact price for the Royal Asia is 895 baht. Rooms are a bit worn down, but if u r on a budget they will do.
Also Check The Promenade. Not that far down the same soi and slightly better. They now have a sign in front of the door, which claims room rate is 1000 but you can get it for 800 (old price).

Where ever you gonna stay, try to bargain. SARS took a big hit on tourism. Anyway, there is nothing like fixed prices in LOS.

SexReview

05-10-03, 13:38

Originally posted by Jaimito Cartero
I guess I get to be Jaimito Chang now!

I really appreciate all the quick and thorough responses I've gotten so far. I know how easy it is to make some stupid moves and totally ruin a trip.
I think they'll probably call me double Chang, since I weigh in at about 400! It sounds so much better when you convert it to Kilograms, though.
Has anyone gotten normal shirts made there? I usually wear a polo style, and sometimes have problems with the cotton ones shrinking. (5XL!)

Jaimito,
A strange thing is going to happen to you in Thailand, your size will become a plus. I know most people who have not been to Thailand will not believe this but it is true. The girls think that you look like Buddha, also they see you was having money. No one without money can eat that much they think.
And yes you will be asked how many kilos, also many people will walk up tp you and just touch you. Some will touch you and say baby, others will say Palmboie, (not correct spelling) meaning large, fat. Just smile and have fun. As some one who is also on the larger side I can tell you that the stereo tying from the US does not happen here.
About clothes, I find it easier to find large clothes in Pattaya than in Boston. Most of the little stands have large sizes. At Mikes shopping Center the one around Soi 10, on the Beach Road side you will find 20 to 30 sellers just inside the doors with sizes to 6x. Also any tailor shop will make shirts for you in a day. The last time I had silk dress shirts made I think that I paid about $14 dollars for them.

Even the street hawkers have big sizes, I was sitting in a beer bar on Soi 8 none night and a seller walked in with belts, wanting to get rid of him I said need really big size you don't have. Ten minutes later he is back with a size 72, after cutting off 20 inches not a bad belt for two hundred baht.

Tight lines,
Sexreview

The Traveler

05-11-03, 00:50

SexReview :

Sorry to destroy your dreams, but girls won't think of you as buddha. It's an old chinese tradition I think to show wealth by your size, a big guy has to have money, this much is true. But the girls really prefer "good looking" guys, especially if they have big bucks too, the latter is more important :-). Ask yourself, would you prefer to have sex with a "fat" or with a sexy girl ?

Since you aren't a newbie I wonder why you still seem to believe this "Hey, sexy man" approach.

Sometimes I just like to take a seat at beer bars and listen to the girls talking when foreigners are walking by. Most comments are similar to those in europe or the US. Since my thai is fluent and I'm also able to understand Isaan and Khmen you can trust me on that.

Furthermore only kids upcountry will probably try to touch you, some might even be scared of you. Never saw it in Bangkok or Pattaya. Foreigners are quite common at those two places.

Jaimito :

Don't be afraid about your size. Money talks. You might not get every girl you want to - especially the real stunners where even handsome boys will have a prob - but there are still so many around. If one does not want to go with you, just take another one. Don't get upset. You won't be alone a single night.

Khao Rop

05-11-03, 03:25

a place which has improved recently is cleopatra bar upstairs in patpong ii. this is still a bar where there is totally nude dancing and the girls are generally well built with large breasts and very friendly.

personal recommendation is wanida (nickname apple) perfect body, very strong, will do [CodeWord117] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117) also if that turns you on.

on patpong i do not waste time visiting the following upstairs bars, they are not rip off but there is nothing good there. wild cat, super girls and show girls.

contrary to an earlier report kangaroo upstairs bj bar has not closed.

Philo

05-11-03, 08:05

Sunday 13.30, Don Muang, Domestic Terminal, Departure hall, Post and Telegraph office (with the que for the ticket counter right behind me .....)

(the office lady just offered me noodles... good she does not know what I am doing :D)

Philo has finally come to his senses (for this time at least).

Took out my former favourite stunner from G-Spot. Before: 3000 a boom. Now: 1000 + 300 for taxi and rice.

The Dollhouse: 2 stunners ST in room upstairs: 1000 for each (gave them 1100). This was a very spesial session: the room did not have a bed - only 2 sofas - the girls told me that the poice check the bars for beds...

Darling MP: The best BBBJ I ever had... and a good boom boom afterwards. Always read about it - but never went.

A lot of good freelancers in Beergarden. Took one of the best for 1500 ST. Bad performance. I will give her 220 Baht (= 1 Freeler) next time.

Went Thermae for the first time yesterday 01.30. Nothing but trash... Same same Sukh down to soi 3. Got depressed, so I went to sleep alone. If you sometimes think the low end nightlife is to much for you to - here is the cure: Take a ride on the BTS and watch the unspoiled girls and office ladys.....

No nudes in Sexy Nights - but some of them in Bottoms up. If you want nudes, go soi Cowboy....

No SARS and no masks - not even on the airport ....

Have to go: Heading for Phuket to tell my little TG that she can have her 8000 Baht telephone - after I have done her 16 times ...

Have to go

SexReview

05-11-03, 12:11

Originally posted by The_Traveler
SexReview :

Sorry to destroy your dreams, but girls won't think of you as buddha. It's an old chinese tradition I think to show wealth by your size, a big guy has to have money, this much is true. But the girls really prefer "good looking" guys, especially if they have big bucks too, the latter is more important :-). Ask yourself, would you prefer to have sex with a "fat" or with a sexy girl ?

Traveler,

Never been turn down by a single girl I wanted while in Thailand so I don't know what to tell you. It is no dream it is just the way it is. Sorry if this destorys your way of thinking.

Sexreview

The Traveler

05-11-03, 18:18

SexReview :

"Never been turn down by a single girl I wanted while in Thailand ..."

Very hard to believe. I think everyone of us once approached a girl who wasn't available for him due to different reasons. Some might have a boyfriend, others just have an appointment with some other girlfriends or just do not like you to talk thai, cause they expect you to know the game and being a cheap charlie.

It could also just mean that you know your limits or with other words you only spot girls that will go with you. Would like to see some pics of some of your girls just to see about what quality level we talk. Plz don't get me wrong, I'm not telling that you only take crap, have seen many old and even ugly man with really nice girls, but they had to pay real big bucks. This is no insult on "big" guys too, I am just telling what I have seen in my almost 20 yrs in thailand.

bencage

05-11-03, 22:02

Eddie Bauer (and I assume others) sell a pair of Khaki pants which have removeable legs to change from pants to shorts and back again. Sounds like good gear for the Thai traveler considering the restrictions and the heat.

Originally posted by Freeler
The Temple of the Emerald Buddha is one of the most important sites in Thai Buddism and probably the only place where shorts are truly banned. I'm not sure if they charge extra for the attire, but jeans and sandals will do and sleeves that touch your elbows probably will do too. The worst thing is being in the queue. It may take an hour before it is your turn. A waste of time!

SexReview

05-12-03, 01:12

Originally posted by The_Traveler
SexReview :

"Never been turn down by a single girl I wanted while in Thailand ..."

Very hard to believe. I think everyone of us once approached a girl who wasn't available for him due to different reasons. ....
It could also just mean that you know your limits or with other words you only spot girls that will go with you. Would like to see some pics of some of your girls just to see about what quality level we talk. Plz don't get me wrong, I'm not telling that you only take crap, have seen many old and even ugly man with really nice girls, but they had to pay real big bucks. This is no insult on "big" guys too, I am just telling what I have seen in my almost 20 yrs in thailand.

Traveler,

I have had girls that would not be available on a given night or had already bar fined, but within the trip I would always get them. I don't look at it as being turned down by a girl if on Monday night I can't have her but on Tuesday I can. If you really want a girl you can always get her if the deal is right. Sometimes I have had to pay very well by Thai Standards, but still it was very cheap based on my other travels. I really don't want to start a fight with you, and maybe it is just because I have been in sales all my life but I can always close the deal if I work the right terms. I respect your imput and your 20 years of Thai learning.

On a different note these low Northwest fares seem to low to pass up $515 dollars with tax Boston to Bangkok on less than 10 days notice. I think that I will be back in country with the next week or so.

And I do have hundreds of pictures but until Jackson starts to post the photos I have already emailed I will not send him any more. If the site has one weakness it is the lack of photos.

Sexreview

Dick Johnson

05-12-03, 03:36

Originally posted by SexReview
Traveler,

I have had girls that would not be available on a given night or had already bar fined, but within the trip I would always get them. I don't look at it as being turned down by a girl if on Monday night I can't have her but on Tuesday I can. If you really want a girl you can always get her if the deal is right. Sometimes I have had to pay very well by Thai Standards, but still it was very cheap based on my other travels. I really don't want to start a fight with you, and maybe it is just because I have been in sales all my life but I can always close the deal if I work the right terms. I respect your imput and your 20 years of Thai learning.

Sexreview

I think it is important to seperate the Bar girls from the regular Thai girls. Members here always say Thai girl or TG when they mean a Thai bar girl. When someone say they never got turned down by a Thai girl and Thai girls like their big guts it probably means bar girls. I advocated seperating the two (TBG-Thai bar girl) a long time ago but perhaps it was not a popular view, burst people's bubbles.

-DJ

SexReview

05-12-03, 04:19

Originally posted by Dick Johnson
I think it is important to seperate the Bar girls from the regular Thai girls. Members here always say Thai girl or TG when they mean a Thai bar girl. When someone say they never got turned down by a Thai girl and Thai girls like their big guts it probably means bar girls. I advocated seperating the two (TBG-Thai bar girl) a long time ago but perhaps it was not a popular view, burst people's bubbles.

-DJ

DJ,

I agree with you 100% and I was talking about bar or working girls (sex trade) as I have very little interest in the other girls in Thailand. That said I would count every girl who has ever taken money for sex in that group. I don't believe that if you just visit the country even for a month or two that you have the time to date non working Thai girls. If you read back this all started based on a reply to a question from a member who was coming to Thailand to meet bar and working girls.

Sexreview

Jaimito Cartero

05-12-03, 06:24

Here's a final dumb question, before I leave for LOS on Wednesday morning.

I've seen conflicting reports about whether to bring traveller's checks or cash. Some have said that they get a better exchange with larger bills (hundreds) and travellers checks.

I've usually found that 20's are the best medium, and that traveller's checks are a pain the butt. However, this is my first trip to Asia, so what do I know?

Dick Johnson

05-12-03, 07:04

Sexreview, np.

Jaimito, I brought traveller checks the first time in LOS. Nowadays I just use ATM. 10000 or 20000 baht each time, quite convenient. they charge a few(?) buck(sorry don't remember) per withdrawl. Just make sure you don't lose that card or you have to use your credit card for cash withdrawals(unless you have an international bank). Some people who go to Thailand a lot just open a bank account there.

-DJ

Bottler

05-12-03, 15:36

Jaimito

I agree, ATM's are the way to go, just use the machine at the airport to get you going! Keep a back up card somewhere safe in the event of loss.

Joe Zop

05-12-03, 16:18

Jamito, I use ATMs and bring along some traveller's checks as a backup -- large denomination. You actually do get a slightly better exchange rate on them in LOS than you do for cash. There's a per-check fee, so larger ones are better. The thing is, you don't use traveller's checks for merchants -- you exchange them at a currency exchange place or bank. You'll find currency exchange windows all over -- they're probably more numerous even than ATMs, though there are plenty of the latter.

I do this simply because when I'm overseas I prefer to have flexibility and/or backup in case something happens -- my card gets eaten or wallet stolen, etc. (My bank once unexpectedly expired my card because they switched to a new system, and it wasn't fun.) If I just leave traveller's checks in the safe or safety deposit box I've still got some money available in the event I need to wait a day or two to get a card replaced, and my trip can proceed without interruption. If you can get them for free or a very low price at your bank it can be cheaper than paying your bank for each withdrawal made at someone else's ATM.

The Traveler

05-12-03, 19:27

Jaimito :

Traveller cheques give you some safety as you know, but ATMs are the way to go I think. They are always available, where ever you go 24/7. If you like to bring some cash, than only 100 US$ notes. If you take 50 $ or 20 $ notes you get a different (lower) rate.
Also check that all bills are in a good shape. Last time I couldn't change a 100 $ note, cause there was some color from a pen on it. It was rejected everywhere. They also reject dollar notes from a certain series, due to the fact that there are to many fake ones around.

The Traveler

05-12-03, 20:01

SexReview :

There is no way to start a fight with me anyway :-)
This issue isn't important enough. Everything is already said so let it end here.
I also like to congratulate you, for your good luck and/or your great skills to persuade the girls. Money is also an issue, we both agree on that.

As far as I remember I was rejected just twice in my almost twenty years, not because of my looks, (not only) thai girls really like that I think. It was only due to the fact that I am able to talk thai fluently, those girls didn't like that.
Anyway, we both seem to have a totally different approach. I never ever talk about money with the girls in any case. If a girl asks me how much I will pay her, then I just gonna tell her that I will pay accordingly to the received services. If she will be a cheap charlie for me, I will be a cheap charlie for her as well. But if she gives me a good time I will pay her well. Never had a prob with it and always received great services. At least only a few ever asked. The wast majority never asked and just seems to trust me. I want them to come with me because they like me and not just for the money. I still believe that the sex is much better then.

I also agree with you, that one or two months usually aren't enough time to date non working thai girls and finally have sex with them. But it is possible, I proved that on my last journey. It took me just two weeks, to get what i was looking for. She called me "dangerous", so my skills seem to be quite good as well :-)

Peace and have fun

Freeler

05-12-03, 20:36

Jaimito, Dick Johnson,

'they charge a few(?) buck(sorry don't remember) per withdrawl. '

Remember that 'they' are NOT the Thai bank but YOUR bank at home. Ask them how much they charge.
This site:
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
seems to be the most reliable on currencies right now.

I'm not sure about the current situation, but the ATM's at the airport used to be on the departure (top) level only. You could always bring $50 or so and change just outside the customs area.
Quite a few $100 bills, as in year of print, are not accepted!

The Traveler

05-12-03, 21:21

Jaimito, DJ and everybody else :

The link Freeler posted will display only interbank rates. But the following link leads you to the actual currency exchange rates of the Siam Commercial bank.

http://www.scb.co.th/index-exchange.htm

Freeler

05-12-03, 21:51

Jaimito, DJ and everybody else,

In fact it shows the midrates from the exchanges where the rates are set. It would take hours of comparing the worlds exchanges before you arrive at the rates posted here: http://www.xe.com/ucc/
It is as real time as it gets.
Banks usualy use similar tools to adjust their creditcard and ATM rates. You will see that your bank will charge you slightly more than these rates + their fee. The biggest surprice I had was B44.32 instead of B43.98 for the Euro in January.
And I didn't mind that!

Also: You are not looking for the Thai bank's rates but for the rate YOUR bank charges you.
You get billed at home by YOUR bank!
You definitely don't do business with Siam Commercial bank.

The funny thing of course is that this is far more important to you than to me: Each of you seems to be spending loads more than I do:).

Dick Johnson

05-13-03, 01:03

Freeler,

There's definitely an ATM at the arrival hall at the airport, it is to the left. I could withdraw 20000baht there. Very convenient.

The one thing I don't do is go to the currency exchanger in the US(they aren't many around like in Asia), I just arrive at the Bangkok airport and get my Thai bahts from the ATM :). Many other ATMs in Bangkok will only dispense 10000baht per withdrawal.

I think you guys are incorrect saying only your bank charges you, it's a combination actually, Thai Bank charging you only 50-75cents and your bank charging you 1.50. or so.

The way to get around that is to open an account at Citibank but their service was so pathetic when I went to their Santa Monica branch I said forget it. The new accounts guy looked like he was just out from school and didn't know what he was doing.

I keep some US currency, $100bills and some 20s. On longer trips I take some Travelers checks but on short trips I don't really bother.

I just posted xe.com on another website a few days ago and now Freeler is telling me about it.

Why is Freeler and Traveler addressing me like I'm looking for answers??

Last night, I was browsing through some DV tapes I shot in the last 6 years LOL, sigh reminiscing...

Freeler

05-13-03, 02:20

Dick Johnson,

'I just posted xe.com on another website a few days ago and now Freeler is telling me about it.
Why is Freeler and Traveler addressing me like I'm looking for answers??'

I don't go to any other site on Thailand: Not worth it!
I've mentioned http://www.xe.com/ucc several times before. But hey, it's not like it's a race or anything.
You were kind enough to mention the small fee for ATM withdrawls, so that's why I included you. But I'll gladly exclude you in the futere should you so wish:).
My bank charges €2.25 per withdrawl and the rate is slightly over the midrates on http://www.xe.com/ucc.

Apac Boy

05-13-03, 08:29

somebody tell boa to stop [CodeWord125] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125) me with the $3/withdrawl of atms.

shit, my last trip, i took out money 6 times...dats one st dammit

tapioca

Cebu Local

05-13-03, 12:54

guys
what I do is bank at a global bank like HSBC,which has branches everywhere like Cebu(my home),Canada(My other home),Bangkok,Hong Kong,Malaysia etc,when I withdraw from an HSBC ATM anywhere in the world there is no 3$ service charge,which is generic to all plus or ciruss ATM s,when in BKK I use the HSBC infront of Lumpini park or the one near Silom road,you could do the same with Citibank which is also everywhere,you also get a more favorable exchange rate regards

Thaipan

05-13-03, 17:10

Originally posted by philo
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No nudes in Sexy Nights - but some of them in Bottoms up. If you want nudes, go soi Cowboy....
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Philo,

Surprised about no nudes in Sexy Nights, I spent several nights there in March and bar fined 3 nights with Min and Saw, each time there were nude dancers, well at the very least topless but all the girls flashed their pussy at you if you were having a bit of fun with them.

Thaipan

The Traveler

05-13-03, 17:56

Freeler :

The link you provided is quite good for the purpose you mention in your last post. I have used it for years to recalculate my assets into euro.

Since we were also talking about cash and traveller cheques the siam commercial bank link provides the actual exchange rates -also realtime - you get when being in thailand.

About your last remark :
I believe this info is more important to you than to most of us. Sure, we used to spend more, but we don't care that much about the exchange rate. From what I have heard from you, I expect you to hunt for the best rate you can get, just to have another few baht more.

1Ball

05-14-03, 01:23

since this is now a site for currency exchange, let me add that $100 bills with the year 1996, were widely counterfitted several years ago, and distributed throughout SE Asia. as a result, still to this day, several countries do not accept $100 bills with that particular year on them. It usually means someone at my bank has to go to the vault and go through 50K to find a couple of grand with bills not printed in 1996, but now i know to do this and avoid any problems. The bills should also be in very good shape, without heavy fold marks, and definitaly no pen / markings / drawings on them.

just my 2 cents about currencies.

1ball

Joe Zop

05-14-03, 02:15

Hence, traveller's checks, which avoid all these hassles :) in exchange for their own brand of them.

WISteve

05-14-03, 04:25

On the subject of nude dancers, I found nudes both at Carousel and Cascade in NEP the first week of May. And of course the girls in many other go-gos will flash you long & hard if you simply make eye contact.

Also wanted to share the disappointment I had at Playskol. LT'd a dancer named Kim 1st of the month but when we got back to the room she got bitchy and said she didn't like morning romps. It would be just one shot in the evening. I told her that wouldn't do & ended up taking her back to the go-go. Mamasan wasn't all that helpful and offered me a couple dogs without another barfine. When I wanted another dancer she pretty much told me I was SOL and left me standing. I'd get REAL SPECIFIC with her if you cross paths with Kim at Playskol.

Dick Johnson

05-14-03, 17:10

On long trips I take a combination of cash, atm, credit cards, traveller's checks. ATMs are all over the place in Bangkok. On short trips it is possiblt to just arrive and go to the airport's ATM.

They've opened HSBC banks in Cailornia, esp. at places with a significant Asian population. HSBC banks are quite common esp in places like China, where the atm system does not always recognize cirrus, star system, especially outside of Beijing and Shanghai. But in Bangkok pretty much all atms have cirrus/star.
The other option is as I've mentioned earlier Citibank.

SexReview

05-14-03, 22:27

Originally posted by Dick Johnson
On long trips I take a combination of cash, atm, credit cards, traveller's checks. ATMs are all over the place in Bangkok. On short trips it is possiblt to just arrive and go to the airport's ATM.

DJ,

Has the right idea here, don't count on just one way of getting cash while in Thailand. If you have a problem with your ATM or credit card you could be left without funds. Also if you are taking cash, new unmarked bills only or you may also be in trouble. It is true you paid a 23 baht fee on each travelers check you cash but it is a small price to pay. Also I have never got a great rate from my ATM or Credit Cards in Exchange. At least with cash or TC you know the rate ahead of time.

Sexreview

WISteve

05-17-03, 17:18

With the political climate what it is these days, I had a strange thought one of my last nights in Bangkok. I arrived early to NEP and was nursing a coke in Pharoah's watching the ladies show-up for work. It's a open air bar just inside the Plaza for those not familiar with the layout. As I was sitting there I noticed all the trucks backing into the Plaza unloading supplies for the day. One of the Toyota pick-ups had an unusually heavy load with two big 100 lb propane cylinders stacked on top. I'm not trying to give any kooks out there any ideas, but I was thinking about the consequences of some nut backing a truck bomb into NEP on a weekend evening. With only one exit which is barely twenty feet wide and likely a thousand people in there on a Friday/Saturday night, I would think there could be a lot of crispy farangs and dancing girls if they ever tried something like that. I know Thailand has fewer than 5% Muslim and security is pretty tight in the LOS, but it gave me pause as I was sitting there staring at fuel cylinders. Don't mean to be a downer...and the viewing is ALWAYS GREAT in NEP!

WISteve

Dinghy

05-18-03, 02:45

Steve - happily, propane is relatively non-explosive (I run it for fuel in my little pick'em up truck) but your point is well taken in that they probably shouldn't allow VEHICLE (not just trucks) traffic into the plaza during "working hours"

JuiceSpike

05-18-03, 02:55

Steve,

Don't worry about bombs at NEP. Worry about grabbing the best looking girsl if you get there early.

juice.

WISteve

05-18-03, 07:35

Yes, you are entirely correct Juice, and it didn't stop me from finding a dark wisp of a girl that would proceed to take my breath away!

Why does time fly by SO QUICKLY in Thailand? The shortest two weeks of my life, I swear. Already making plans for September in the Land of Smiles......

Dinghy

05-18-03, 21:13

my last trip was 12 days, this time it's 26. so much poon, so little time... (anybody going to be around 5/23 (very late - I get in at midnite) or 5/24 for a beer?)

Marauder

05-19-03, 02:29

Hey Folks. What shakin? Well, I just got my MBA, and I’m celebrating by treating myself to a 5 week South East Asia trip. I’m going to start out in Bangkok, and I want to see lots of beaches and babes, and maybe a beer or two. I want to visit Cambodia as well (the temple at Ankor Wat) and I’m up for going anywhere else that is cool.

So if anyone has any advice or wants to join me on a leg of this trip, please give me an email, ecu23obx@hotmail.com I’ll get into Bangkok on May 27, and leave Bangkok on July 3. I want to get the most out of this experience, because I may not have such an opportunity again for a while.

Warm Wishes to all!

Sincerely

Chris

Jaimito Cartero

05-19-03, 12:45

I was afraid I was going to have problems changing cash (since 95% of all the 100's I have were 1996 vintage). So far, no problems. I did get clean ones, so I guess that helps. I've been getting a bit under 42 exchange for dollars so far.

I have, however gotten street vendors to change for a better rate when I'm buying stuff. I got as high as 43 at the weekend market in Mor Chit.

Majestic Suites is very nice. Excellent service so far. I ended up going to Pattaya for 2 days, and will be back on Tuesday for my last couple of days.

Eden was very nice. I had Ton and another lady, and things went very nicely. Good atmosphere, very helpful and so forth.

Darling was pretty good, but after Eden, I guess things are just a little big greyer. :)

Thanks to everyone who have helped my trip turn out well so far.

SexReview

05-19-03, 13:18

Originally posted by Jaimito Cartero
Eden was very nice. I had Ton and another lady, and things went very nicely. Good atmosphere, very helpful and so forth.

Darling was pretty good, but after Eden, I guess things are just a little big greyer. :)

Thanks to everyone who have helped my trip turn out well so far. [/i]

JC,

Ton does give a great level of service and if she was with her normal partner then you also had Cookie. Both girls work well together. I do find Ton to be a little old for my taste at 40 years old. I know she tells guys she is 28, but Thai ID's don't lie and the truth is she is 40 years old. Darlings is a great place and has many young lookers with good service but the cost at 2500 baht is very close to Eden and the service level is not as high.

Sexreview

Born in 1964

05-19-03, 23:44

Fellow Hobbyists:

Going to BKK & PHU leaving 7/4 returning 7/17 - first time is SEA. Woo Hoo. I've got a bunch of questions, and any feedback is greatly appreciated...

1. How are the Lux (5*) hotels (Regent, Oriental) with "guests"?

2. Want a mix of island exotic & hobby in PHU. Any thoughts on nice accom's there?

3. Pattaya - is it redundant after BKK?

4. Is there a place where the girls are a cut above (looks, hygiene)?

5. Any fellow hobbyists over the same dates in BKK?

Thanks!

Bornin1964

Apac Boy

05-20-03, 00:33

haha...cookie...i remember her from my Eden trip. dat's some krazy ass chick. i almost spent the 2000+ bht to get her for one night. almost....

only thing i didn't like was dat she was trying to coax me into getting my ass fucked by her finger.

tapioca

Arizona Neal

05-20-03, 08:07

T-Minus 16 Hours.

Evening Men. My first post. Am departing for BKK tomorrow, taking a room at the Majestic Suites dbl delux at 1518 Baht per night (any particular floor is best, location of room to ask for, long term stay discount, etc.?) and will be sightseeing throughout BKK for the next month. I'm not into hammering 3 or 4 different chicks a day, but I do like to "hit it" with a beautiful young babe all night long, as we all do. Don't have any travel plans set in stone other than BKK, but will take some side trips while I'm there. I've scoured these boards, and the archives, and I know what to expect in the different cities (Phuket, Pattaya,ChangMai).

Did a search on camera store in bangkok, and came up with ziltch, or at least nothing matching what I was looking for. Does one exist? Good prices on stuff?

Music/Guitar Store?

Anyone there for the next three to four weeks?

Neal

Jayf1970

05-20-03, 13:24

Want to check out CP2 massage parlor. Have seen quite a few reports about it. But couldn't find any ones which mentioned how to get there. Can somebody please enlighten me?

Thanks

Freeler

05-20-03, 17:46

Arizona Neal,

'camera store in bangkok'

There are hundreds!
Try a mall like Mah Boon Krong Building near the Skytrains central station to get started.
BKK may not be the best place to hunt for camera deals: camera's are a lot cheaper in Malaysia and Singapore.

Shopping hint: Buy the same item they showed you. Don't let them put it in a box!

The Traveler

05-20-03, 18:08

jayf1970 :

Don't have exact address but know how to find it :-)
As far as I recall the streets name is Ayuthaya Road. Opposite the Siam City Hotel is the CP1 (Chao Phaya 1), a bit more down Chawalla 1 (only BJ, but good cause they do nothing else, try it) and even further down the road there you will find CP2 on the same side like the Siam City.

How to find Ayuthaya Road ?
Suppose you stay close to Suk, move up any of the sois heading north (e.g. soi 3) till you reach New Petchaburi. Turn left till you see the Amari Watergate across the street. Cross the street and move into the street (forgot name) heading north. Further north you will pass by the Indra hotel and finally reach Ayuthaya Rd. on the left hand side.

Or take the BTS and exit at the Victory Monument. Walk down the Phahonyothin Rd heading south. Pass by Phaya Thai and on left hand side enter Ayuthaya Rd. (you will see the Siam City).

Hope it helps, wouldn't walk anyway, too far and too hot, take a cab or better BTS.

Apac Boy

05-21-03, 05:40

trust me on this...don't buy any digital cameras in Thailand. Prices are expensive and I bet it's gray market to boot.

even if u think u bargained them to their lowest prices, they're still ripping u off

tapioca

Joe Zop

05-21-03, 07:34

I'm with Tap -- you're better off buying cameras elsewhere, though you can get decent prices at times on accessories.

The Traveler

05-21-03, 17:53

Arizona,

cameras are quite expensive in BKK compared to europe. You will also never know if it is a faked one imported from Hongkong or not. Check the net for an internet shop or a shop close to you. Even eBay might be a posibility.

Jayf1970

05-22-03, 05:29

Barfine at open air bars? Was I ripped off?

Anybody heard of Asoke corner? Don't remember hearing about it on this board. If you enter Soi Cowboy from Asoke and go all the way to the end and then turn right. Its right there on your right. Feels sort of like Asoke plaza with a bunch of bars but much more open and I think less pushy. I took a girl out from there for LT, and they charged me a barfine. Was I ripped off? I tried tentatively saying no when she said there was a barfine involved. But didn't look like the bf was negotiable. First time I heard of a bf outside of a gogo bar.

Thanks guys.

Sammy Guy

05-23-03, 04:01

First Timer Report ... In a nutshell, it was: 1. The greatest vacation of my entire life, and 2. A completely different experience than what I expected.

I went to Bangkok a couple of weeks ago planning to experience everything. I wanted to bag a different hottie every night, get a soapy, experience Eden, an oil massage, everything! Instead I wound up fallling in love and spending basically the entire week, day and night, with the same girl. And I feel completely satisfied, even though I didn't get to do everything I had planned. Anyone else have this experience? I'm sure I'm not the first!

I arrived late on a Thursday night on NWA Flight 1. At about 1:00 AM I headed from my room at the Royal Asia Lodge (http://www.royalasialodge.com/) (very nice, highly recommended, quiet, VERY big rooms, comfortable) to Nana Plaza. Not used to the heat and humidity, I was sweating a bit on the hot & humid evening. I walked around, not really sure which if any go-go bar I should go in. I wound up sitting at a table in the outdoor area on the first level since I was tired of walking around and a friendly group of girls beckoned me to join them. One girl particularly grabbed my attention with the cutest smile and friendliest attitude. She saw that I was hot, so she rushed off to get a cool, moist washcloth and returned to wipe the sweat from my face. She got so excited when I said I was from "America". We seemed to hit it off right away. She probably wasn't the hottest chick in Nana, but we hit it off right away. She's 29, me 34. I couldn't believe how fun and pleasant this girl was to be around. She never complained about anything all week, and I never got tired of her. I barfined her out of there for 500 Baht, and she basically never left my side for the entire week. This girl seemed completely in love with me and my d*ck. Total Girlfriend Experience from the very beginning, even before leaving the bar we were kissing. We had so much fun the first night/morning, we didn't get up until, get this: 4:30 PM!!! (Is that a record?) She asked only 2,000 Baht the first night, but after that she "left it up to me.. whatever I wanted to give her." I gave her about 2,500 every day.
We went on day trips to Ayuthaya, Pattaya, a Bengal tiger farm, a river cruise. I didn't have to worry about finding things or negotiating for cheap taxi fares with this girl. She was my personal tour guide.
Thailand has got to be the greatest country in the world. I want to move there now! Even if things don't work out with this girl, I WANT TO LIVE IN THAILAND!! Too bad it's difficult to make much money there!

Khao Rop

05-23-03, 07:21

Arizona

I am with all the bros. I would not buy anything electronic in Thailand period. In Asia best collection and best prices are Singapore - airport - or if you can get into town the Funan Centre on North Bridge Road.

Arizona Neal

05-23-03, 09:17

Thanks for responding, Gentlemen...

I'm in Bangkok.. All I can say is "OH MY GOD". Will write more when time allows, I'm late for appoinment.

neal.

Jaimito Cartero

05-23-03, 16:25

I didn't see any bargains in BKK for any electronics. I only saw Duty free stuff in Japan, and that's usually a rip off too. Remember that if it breaks, you may have to send it to Thailand, Japan or such to get repaired. I'd pass on those.

Jaimito Cartero

05-23-03, 16:37

Eden - Ton and Loy - BKK in general

I finally remembered the other girl. Seemed medium young. I have a hard time telling the ages of some of these girls. Ones that look like 23 are 34. Ton was much better with her tongue. They weren't shy in front of my camera, and even took some nice pictures of me in action. (Pictures only for me! Sorry.)

I had Soi 5 beer garden girl that was young, but I didn't want to make any mistakes, so I checked her ID. She had said she was 23, but was 20.

Beer garden girls were asking for 1000 s/t. I got mine for 600, which seemed a decent deal. I had one that would not drop from 1000 though, so bye-bye.

I found an excellent freelancer near the Tony Romas across from the Majestic. Started at 800 s/t, agreed on 600 with no problem. Said she was a university graduate, picking up extra money at night to pay for mom's hospital.

Here name is Chalee, about 5' 2", nice B sized breasts, and really passionate, and orally skilled. She gave a very nice Thai massage first, and we had a nice showering experience too.

It did seem that most of the BGs or Freelancers had a story to tell. Nothing too bad though, and not too heavy on the taxi fare or such.

I spent a lot on t-shirts, silk scarves and tons of other stuff. It was funny to watch other farangs bargain for stuff. They'd knock 15% off the price and think they got a super bargain. If it wasn't at least 40% off their quoted price, I usually knew I got ripped off.

I had vendors try to sell me tshirts for 500 baht each! When I had just bought 10 for 1000 baht total. I found that I had to walk away 1/2 the time to get them to accept my price.

SexReview

05-23-03, 18:10

Originally posted by Arizona Neal
T-Minus 16 Hours.

Did a search on camera store in bangkok, and came up with ziltch, or at least nothing matching what I was looking for. Does one exist? Good prices on stuff?

Neal

Neal,

I shoot a lot of photos every trip here and have several cameras, I agree with what has been said here, the deals for cameras are better in the US than Thailand. Also you may get a 220 volt only and a Asian plug. If you have any problems with them no US Warrenty on the products. Better to buy at home, I have friends who live here and make trips back to the states to buy photo equpment.

Sexreview

Member #1005

05-23-03, 23:20

Originally posted by Jaimito Cartero
I didn't see any bargains in BKK for any electronics. I only saw Duty free stuff in Japan, and that's usually a rip off too. Remember that if it breaks, you may have to send it to Thailand, Japan or such to get repaired. I'd pass on those.

Jaimito,

You are correct that in Thailand any electronic items are expensive compared with Hong Kong, Singapore or Japan, where the Thai middle classes usually purchase their items.

However, in Japan several manufacturers, for example Toshiba & Kyocera, now offer international warranties on their products, so you can get them repaired locally by their dealer. Plus the adaptors can handle 110 –240 voltage. Don’t forget to ask for the English manuals, also available.

Arizona Neal

05-24-03, 05:26

thanks to all who answered my question on cameras and stuff. three days into bangkok, and all is well.

first of all, for all the new guys wanting to gain insight on this, i highly suggest reading all these pages, including the archives. i did lots of cut and pasting into a huge text file on my laptop, and it has paid off.

tg #1 was found about three minutes (no kidding) after stepping on the sidewalk in front of the hotel. time of night - 0130 hours. long flowing hair, and a nice little tight ass is what i saw from behind; but when she turned around and grinned that los smile, i was hooked. how could this one been missed? easy. i wasn't her first customer. she was leaving another hotel, on her way back to nana coffee shop. i had to have her. pulled into 7-11, got a big bottle of coke, and then back to hotel. into shower, into bed, complete gfe, nuzzling and cooing softly. like she had know me for a month. she crawls down my body, takes took my meatpole into her mouth and has me hard in about - oh, 36 seconds. stone hard. she said in a little voice, you have condom? heh. open that drawer honey. she rolls it on, climbs astride me, and sinks me into a furnace of heat. up and down, she's working that tight little butt. she's wet, and moaning, takes my hands and gestures for me to pinch her nipples while she rides. tight wasn't the word. i'm not a huge guy, but i'm no pencil dick either. but i definitely bottoming out in this babe. easy to do i suppose. if the lights were on, i would have blown the load just watching her screw me slowly. five minutes later, i turn her over, and pull her hips up, head down, and just start pumping her from behind. i can see her ass with my hands on her hips. i start slow, then gradually increase my speed to the point of where i'm hammering pretty rhythmatically. then i really hammer her. she's blubbering some kind of stuff in thai, whimpering "yes yes". that was enough for me. boom. i explode what seems like a gallon of boiling cum. my legs are shaking, one leg is uncontrollably twitching like elvis used to. i fall on the bed, and twenty seconds hear the shower running. what? its her, taking a shower. five minutes later, she is dressed and said she had to go. how much i ask? up to you. i pull out a 1,000 baht note, she gives me that award winning smile and says i go now. maybe see you later, okay ?

looks: 9/10
body: 9/10
sex: 9/10
name: who the fuck cares? (honestly don't remember).

to be continued...

Maximus #2

05-24-03, 06:29

Hey guys,

Thanx to all the regulars who share so much info with us casual visitors - much appreciated.
I have only 3 nights in BKK coming up so I have alot to fit in. Can anyone help me with the following:

- How far is Eden Club from Nana Hotel?

- Is there a good blow job bar close to Nana where my mates and I can have a nice cold beer?

- Are all the girls in the Nana Disco freelancers and what is the going price for freelancers in Nana Disco for LT?

Thangs in advance,

Aussie Max

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation mistakes in this report. However, with everything else I have to do to maintain the forum, I don't really want to spend my time doing this every day, so I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect everyone to be a great writer, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. Thanks!

Arizona Neal

05-24-03, 07:35

So I'm laying there, thinking about what happened, and thinking it all went down just like the WSG said it should. Laying there for another fifteen minutes, get a burst of energy, jump in the shower and I'm out the door in the elevator and down outside. The smell at times is putrid here, and I get a whiff of it. It is quarter to three in the morning, but you would never know it. Little kids running around, selling chicklets, or little Hawaiian Leis for 20 baht. I feel generous, buy a lei, buy some gum, and put the lei on the little girl, and the chicklets in the boys shirt pocket. 40 baht. Big deal.

Suddenly, there is a tug on my arm, I turn around, and there stands before me three very UGLY 45 to 50'sh women of the evening. Ahh, no thanks. These people wouldn't make the cover of the official LOS tourist guides. I speak Nit Noi Thai, wave them off and walk down the street. Grab a Pepsi from 7-11, and now I'm people watching. But not for long. Out of the light comes a foxette. I catch my breath, and wave hello. Thinking I don't have a chance in hell with someone this good looking, I look away, and turn and, she's right there smiling. Where you from ? Arizona? Where? Arizona. Air a zon a. USA. America. I'm still catching my breath. First time Thailand you? No, lying through my teeth. I come with you, okay? You sexy man to me. Yeah baby. This chick is about 33-22-33. 22 years old. She grabs my arm and we walk back to Hotel. (all of two minutes or so). My second TG, and I think I know the drill.

So I put the WSG to the test. I want this, that, and this. Short time. okay? She say, okay. How much? up to you.

Well, she's a 8/10 in the light, light makeup, doll like face. She's in the shower, and then I'm in the shower (third shower in the last 90 minutes), but I want to her to think I'm a clean kind of man. She looks under bathrobe, feels, and nods approval, fondling my wood. Well, boys. she's laying on the bed, and starts to deep throat me. Remember the first time a chick swallowed you? I do. Thats what It felt like. A little mechanical, but I slowed her down. Didn't talk to much to her, because she spoke nit noi English, and I nit noi Thai, but she understood slow down. I'm hard as a rock in less than 3 minutes. She rolls the condom on, gets on me, and starts to ride. Back and forth. She winces now and then as I get totally buried in her (what a feeling). She says "Nice, nice, vellly nice." This chick is different than the first. This chick wants to get her rocks off, I can tell by her movement. I'm knocking on something inside, and she's massaging me, squeezing me, grinding me, taking it ALL. I chance a kiss and she opens her mouth to me, and we are french kissing, and she's going faster and faster. Then BAM!!!! She is done. Am I ? No. She lays down on the side of me, and says "no power, no power". What? So I pull the condom off, and then lay on the bed, and receive a nice BBBJ, and thought she was going to swallow it, but she pulls off at the last microsecond, and I'm spurting furiously again, like a fountain. Oh yeah. She says wow, you cum alot. I say yeah, long time no do. Actually its only about 85 minutes since TG #1 left, but she doesn't know that.

She's in the shower and then dressed.

I am spent. I walk her down to lobby, and she glides out the door, and I'm 1,000 baht poorer, and a few lbs lighter.

Summary:

Looks 8/10
Sex 9+/10 until she climaxed.
BBBJ 9/10

It is now approaching 4 am. Its time to call it a night.

Hence my first four hours in BKK. Unfucking real.

to be continued.........

Dinghy

05-24-03, 11:37

Sammy - the tariff is less in Pattaya (your 2500 would have entertained a beerbar grl for 3 days) but "chacun a son gout".

Jay - barfine at beerbars is common and about half the go-go level - usually 200B or so (if that's what you meant as "open air"

so much poon, so little time...

Joe Zop

05-24-03, 13:43

Jaimito Cartero -- since you asked the board about how you'd be received as a larger-sized guy, I wonder if you'd share your impressions on that from the perspective of a first-time visitor. It's always good to get a reality check about information given here. Sounds like you had a good trip!

Traveler Tom

05-24-03, 15:00

I wonder whether any BKK regulars ever came across Peter Pom. Pom was one of the most reliable hotel delivery merchants and one could count on him each time. He suddenly disappeared about a year ago after a fall out with managment/family (same thing, in this case, I think!)

He is probably offering services under a different agency name or he may have given up all together. At one time I thought that he might be six foot under but enquiries show that the fall-out was not as bad as that. There were stories of him having to flee to Australia, Ko Samui and all places west but after eight years of good service from him it was annoying to lose him.

Replacements have proven to be of lower standard and one never knows what will be offered up - with Pom one felt in safe hands.

I expect this is a long shot but worth a try.

Any help would be much appreciated!

SexReview

05-24-03, 19:40

hey guys they found the source of sars see below report.

sexreview

source of sars virus found in masked palm civets (it's an animal)

paguma larvata - the masked palm civet has short fur that ranges in color from brownish, orange, yellowish red or grey, with the black being on its ears and feet. there is a white stripe that runs along the top of its muzzle, from its nose to forehead. next to this, on either side, is black stripes that run from the muzzle over the eyes and to the inner corners of the ears. next to these stripes on either side are white stripes that extend from just underneath each eye to the inside of the ears. the cheeks are black, and the sides of the muzzle are entirely black. its underparts are a lighter grey. its whiskers are white. it has four anal glands from which it can squirt a foul secretion. they have four mammae. -- www.lioncrusher.com

discovery in china lessens chance of eradicating disease
masked palm civet - paguma larvata

hong kong a virus virtually identical to the one believed to cause sars in humans has been found in a catlike, tree-dwelling animal whose meat is a delicacy in southern china and in two other species, scientists here and at the world health organization in geneva said friday.

discovery of the virus in animals makes it much more unlikely that sars can be eradicated, because of the difficulty of eradicating the animals that harbor the virus. but control of those species could reduce the risk that they will seed cases into the human population in the future.

news of the discovery came as the world health organization lifted its advisory against travel to hong kong and china's guangdong province, once the twin epicenters in a global outbreak of sars, saying that the respiratory disease was being contained in both places.

the un health agency's decision is the clearest sign yet that sars is not spreading nearly as quickly as once feared, although american officials have warned that it might show a resurgence next winter, the season when many other respiratory diseases are particularly prevalent.

who officials said scientists had obtained 25 specimens from eight species of animals from a market in shenzhen, just across the hong kong border in mainland china. the sars virus was found in six masked palm civets - the catlike animal that is served as food - and in the only raccoon dog tested. evidence of the infection was also found in antibodies from the blood of a badger.

health officials previously said that the first cases of the disease appeared to have occurred last november among people involved in the culinary preparation of rare animals in foshan, 90 miles up the pearl river from here.

yuen kwok-yung, a microbiologist at hong kong university, said the disease appeared likely to have jumped to people from civets, but that the civets could have contracted the virus from another species. who officials said transmission theoretically could have gone from humans to civets.

[CodeWord113] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113) from a "very high" proportion of civets have tested positive for a virus that appears to be genetically similar to the coronavirus that has been linked to severe acute respiratory syndrome in people. a low proportion of animals from other species have also tested positive, yuen said.
the virus could have been transmitted from one species of animals to the others in the markets, who said.

civets are grown on farms in guangdong province and are sometimes trapped in the wild for chinese kitchens. the animals are becoming increasingly rare across their range, from pakistan to indonesia, because of deforestation, and their sale is banned in hong kong, where they are a protected species.

yuen added that it remains possible the virus occurs in other species as well, and the virus might even be capable of infecting household cats, which could make disease control more difficult.
"the animal source is very important because you want to stop further jumping" between species, he said.

a chinese medical professor who had been treating infected patients brought the disease from guangdong province to hong kong, asia's busiest transportation hub, in late february. travelers from hong kong then carried the disease to beijing, taiwan, singapore, vietnam and canada.

masked palm civets

masked palm civets - which are not cats, despite the name civet cats - have short fur that can be brown, orange, red or gray, with black bands on the head and feet. they eat mostly fruit, weigh up to 13 pounds (6 kilos) and have bodies that grow up to two-and-a-half-feet long, with tails of nearly equal length.

judging from their activity and feeding habits, infected civets do not appear to feel any ill effects from the virus, yuen said.

yuen said the raising and slaughter of civets and other exotic animals should be strictly regulated to prevent further outbreaks of sars and possibly other new diseases. but a total ban on eating them is unlikely to succeed because the consumption of wild animals is so much a part of chinese culture, he contended. "it is very difficult to stop a culture, it has been there for 5,000 years," yuen said.

dick thompson, a spokesman for who, reported that chinese officials said they were about to ban the sale of the species in markets.

there are small differences between the virus found in civets and the coronavirus found in people, raising the possibility that a small mutation in the virus while it was still in the cats had made the disease more transmissible to people. "maybe, recently, it has some mutation and then it jumps into humans," yuen said.

hong kong university conducted its research with shenzhen's center for disease control and prevention. hong kong university officials had been waiting for a journal to publish their research, but felt compelled to hold a news conference friday afternoon when shenzhen officials announced the research on their side of the border.

it is unlikely that diners can contract the disease from well-cooked animals of any type, yuen said. the rearing, slaughter and preparation of infected animals are activities more likely to transmit viruses across species, he added.

source: int herald tribune

Jaimito Cartero

05-24-03, 22:55

BKK mini-report

Well, I read pretty extensively on Bangkok, and had a number of things planned. First was an appointment at Eden. I made it a few days before I was going, and then reconfirmed with Marc just before I left for my flight.

I too, was on NWA Flt 1, that arrived before midnight on the 15th. I had only gotten about 90 minutes of sleep before I left, and I have a really hard time sleeping on planes, so I was totally tired.

Plus, as happens to me too much, my only checked piece of luggage was MIA. This has happened to me way too often, so I pack a few days stuff in my carry-on. The NWA people were helpful, and gave me 2000 baht for "expenses", I guess.

This will the last time that a woman in Thailand gives me money. :)

I exchanged $300 (1996 $100 bills, no problem). Exchange rate of 41.74 I think. All the exchanges seemed to have the same rate.

I stayed in the taxi line in front of the terminal, and got a meter taxi. I took the toll way, and the fare was about 400, plus 70 toll, plus 50 airport fee. He tried to round it up to 600, but no luck for him.

I had tried to book Majestic Suites through one of the recommended places on *********, I think Asia Hotels or such. After a day or two wait, they said that no Standard Superiors available.

My second choice was the Asia Lodge, but I thought I'd just email Majestic direct and see what they said. Bob quoted me 1800 a night, but it was for a Deluxe, not superior room. We straightened that out quickly, and I got the rate I asked, which was 1200 baht, including taxes and breakfast.

I had originally gotten the room for 2 days, but extended it one day when I checked in. They said they only had 1 room left Saturday night, so it worked out well.

A quick word about the Majestic. It's a small place, but everyone was quite courteous, and always went the extra mile. I found out that they had upgraded me to their Deluxe room at no extra charge.

A maid even proceeded me into the room, to turn down the bed, they have a nice welcome glass of juice when you check in too. Even at 1am!

I was so tired, that I take a quick shower, and hit the hay. I wake up about 8:30am or so, a little tired still, but excited about the coming day.

As I exit my room to go to breakfast, I meet Tony a cabbie from London. We talk a bit in the elevator, and we have breakfast together. He tells me that he's off to Pattaya on free minibus that Dynasty (across from Nana) has. All you have to do is book a minimum of 2 nights. (Free bus going down only. 350 baht coming back)

Okay, here comes the part about being a BIG guy in Thailand:

Other than people staring a bit, asking "You 200 Kilo"?, and occassionally touching my stomach, there was nothing to it. I've learned to have a sense of humor about myself, so it's not a problem. In Spanish speaking countries I don't take offense to being called "Gordo", so Thailand is a breeze.

I also thought I'd get some girls who didn't want to go with me. Never happened. Even when I told them that I was going to "Squish them to death", they all had smiles on their faces.

I always like to see a movie when I'm someplace new. I got directions from the helpful Majestic staff, and was off to climb the 102 stairs (Yes, I counted!) up the Nana BTS. And later, I did find the escalator (on the other side of the street), which saved me a bit. The heat and the stairs killed me on this trip, but I survived.

I went to the Emporium shopping center, and went to see the Matrix Reloaded. 140 baht (Only 120 baht Mon-Thur). They did try to sell me the premium seats for 250, but I like to go local, somewhat.

It took me a few seconds to catch onto the fact that everyone was supposed to stand for the video segment about the Thai King. I figured rather than chancing death by misadventure, I'd get my big ass out of the chair for a minute.

Decent movie, comfortable seats. (Popcorn and large drink, 79 baht) I then went to the bathroom. One thing I wondered a little bit about the bathrooms. All of the toilets had a spray hose attachment. Is this used to clean up your nads or crack? I've never seen those in any other country I've gone to.

After the movie, I was hungry, so I went through the food court and market they have. I bought some crab and shrimp balls, along with shampoo and some other necessities that were in my checked luggage.

I then went to the KFC/Pizza Hut in the food court and tried out a special hot drumstick special. This will be my last gringo food for 7 days. Nothing but Thai food after that.

As with all the food I ate, everything was very inexpensive. Good service, excellent quality.

I had a 7pm appointment at Eden, so I thought I'd go back to my room, rest a little, shower and get ready. It takes me about 5 seconds out in the open before I start sweating like a pig.

I make it back to the Majestic at 5pm, take a shower, and watch a bit of TV. The only complaint about the Majestic would have to be their two private movie channels. The DVDs were always hanging up, or of sucky quality. I don't think I ever watched a complete movie on them. They did have a good selection of other channels, so I wasn't hurting too much. And then again, I did not come to Thailand to watch TV...

I left about 6:30pm to walk to Eden. I went across the crosswalk (Or should I say Cross-RUN. Pedestrians do not have the right of way, it seems.), and then headed towards Soi 5 on the Tony Roma side of the street. I got plenty of Tuk-Tuk drivers trying to get me to go to massage places, and people pulling on me to go into their shops.

I didn't have a problem finding Eden, because they have an excellent map. I talked to Marc for a minute, and then he introduced me to Tun and Loy. They got me some nice cool water, and I relaxed for a bit to cool off.

After I was less heated, I took the walk upstairs with the ladies. They undressed me, and then asked how many babies I had in my stomach. I replied my standard answer, "two", and then we got ready to shower.

They lathered me up good, and left no spot uncleaned. The floors are quite slippery and I was a bit concerned that if I fell, I'd kill myself or one of the girls. I took it real careful, and everything was fine.

After they had dried me off, I then set up my video camera on it's tripod, and took a few pictures of the girls lathering each other up.

Both girls were very helpful, and very nice to be with. I didn't get too crazy with anything, but I think they would have done anything I wanted, to keep me happy.

Halfway through I bought them some drinks, and got some more water for myself. We then started some more, and Tun broke out the strap on and jammed it up Loys ass. There's just something poetic about how that last sentence sounds when I reread it.

I took some photos of the girls doing each other, and then Tun took the camera and got some nice pictures of me tuna diving on Loy.

The red light over the door flashed, and it was the end of fun time. They showered me again, and then we all got to go back downstairs.

Total bill 3460 baht, plus a tip for the girls.

I was quite hungry, but by this time, some of the restaurants were closed. I ended up going (by accident) to the Soi 5 Bier Garden. For food. Only for food. There's nothing worse than having dozens of cute girls, and being too worn out to do anything about it.

I have some spicy cashew chicken and some fried rice, and then go back to the room. I fell asleep quickly at 11:30pm or so. I was awakened quickly at 1:20am when the front desk called to say that my bag had arrived from the airport.

The night time security guard brought it right up, got a sleepy tip, and then I went right back to sleep.

Dinghy

05-25-03, 06:36

Yes, JC, the "sink spray" hose is the Thai equivalent of a bidet. So you spray water all over the hong nam floor (thai for "room water" - "bath room" to us) - almost always it's tile, so don't worry

functional, even if to us farangs a bit "unusual"

When they stand up, you stand up. I was out on the net at a Thai language site where they played their national anthem. played at sporting events, and unlike ours, the last words of theirs is actually "cheers" (ours is "play ball" isn't it)

SexReview

05-25-03, 08:40

Jaimito Cartero,

Sounds like you had a great time in Bangkok and being large size was no problem as I had told you already. The Movies can be really fun in Thailand and yes you were right to stand for the King thing at the start. One thing the Thais love more than our money even is the King. Take a Thais girl, wife, sister, but don't screw with the King if you want to stay happy long time. I seee from your reports that you liked Eden Club, but what is there not to like about the place? Hope when you have more time you will add more information about the trip.

Tight lines,
Sexreview

Freeler

05-25-03, 10:57

Jaimito Cartero,

'Plus, as happens to me too much, my only checked piece of luggage was MIA.'

If this happens to you 'too much' and it happens a lot with the same airline, go after them! Make them pay! B2,000 is nothing compaired to the bucks for pounds they have to pay you when your luggage stays MIA.
Remember: Your ticket is like a contract, they have to deliver!
If you arrive at a miserable time, like you did, let them put you up in an airport hotel. (You of course had reservations...)
OTOH all BKK missing luggage stories I heard so far turned out fine; luggage recovered, nothing missing or damaged.
Also, do you really have to check in luggage? With smart packing, the right size bag and a little bluff at the check-in desk you can get away with a lot.

Hong Naam: You were lucky there was a hose... In many places you will have to clean up with a bowl, your hand and some water.

BTW Loved your 'BKK mini-report', I'm a bit worried about the length of the full version though:D!

PS I will remember 'gordo':)

Joe Zop

05-25-03, 14:30

Jaimito Cartero, great report, thanks! I am glad to hear things went well and look forward to the "full-length" version.

If you've gotta lose luggage (and I guess I'm one of the lucky ones -- in hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of miles of travelling this has only happened to me once) I think LOS is one of the better places to have it happen, since replacements are so inexpensive and readily available.

Unfortunately, Freeler, you're gonna have a tough time convincing Northwest to put you up at an aiport hotel -- a near-midnight arrival is pretty much right on time for that particular flight.

Freeler

05-25-03, 15:09

Joe-zop,

The Airport hotel: To wait for luggage ( and have a chick handy to sort out the problems persons of our gender have...:)).
Hey, if you Americans want to fly in at lousy times, up to you, but if the freakin' carrier is late in delivering the luggage, the wait can never be at your expense.

Their fault, they pay!

Jaimito Cartero

05-25-03, 16:06

Well, perhaps I exagerate a bit on the lost luggage. It only happens about 10% of the time, and have only had it stolen once (about 10 years ago, going to Costa Rica).

It does suck sitting all alone at the luggage carousel, and keep looking for your bag. I had some kid take my luggage one time coming into Houston. When I come back from a place, I load my bags to the limits, and he didn't notice that his bag hadn't weighed 60 pounds!

He did get nailed going through Agriculture checkout, so no real harm done.

As for number of bags, I always hope that I'll find some good stuff when I go to a new place. So I take a big bag, with a slightly smaller suitcase inside of that. I had 1/2 my clothes and a few odds and ends in it, so nothing real bad.

If they ever weigh my carry on, I'd be in trouble. It's usually 50 pounds, and I've them as heavy as 100 pounds. The new security procedures have made me not bring weird things (10 pound chunks of steel - don't ask!) so much any more.

I was happy for the 2000 baht, and *had* paid for my Majestic Suite room with a c/c. And having 90 minutes sleep in 48 hours doesn't keep you on your toes.

I also split my money up into 3 or 4 different locations. That way, if I lose or get part of my luggage/wallet ripped off, I'm not going to be hurting.

Jaimito Cartero

05-25-03, 16:13

I've got a quick question. I really enjoyed shopping in Bangkok, and thought I got some really good bargains. Is anyone interested in what stuff cost? I know on some things I got hosed a little bit at first, and I think I overpaid the tailor a bit.

Can I post some of the prices I paid for stuff, and see what other people have paid? I buy stuff for a living, and bargaining is all part of it. Sometimes, going in, if you know the deals others got, it can give you an upper hand.

If Jackson thinks this is inappropriate, no problem.

For example in the Silom night market, I had people trying to get 500 baht for the standard Thai t-shirt. Now, since I had bought about 10 shirts in the Nana nightmarket, I knew that was total BS. I had paid 100 baht there. Now I'm sure that some farangs pay 500, but certainly not me.

I actually spent more in the Weekend market and night markets than I did on girls. (Shocking, I know!)

I was sorely tempted at the weekend market to take some of their metal Star Wars/Alien sculptures home. I was afraid it'd be too heavy in my luggage, and I was already carrying 15 kilos of stuff.

Dinghy

05-25-03, 17:29

free- about the luggage - they have to deliver it no matter where they sent it (even if it got picked up by mistake and returned - happened to me once so now I put BIG identifiers on the bag).

the flight arrives at roughly midnite every day - that's how it's scheduled so putting him up wan't their responsibility - getting you your luggage IS (and whoever posted about how much it costs them to deliver is spot-on. I saw them spend big bucks to deliver from RNO to a ski shack in the mountans near Tahoe (not me, a friend)

IrishLager

05-25-03, 19:46

Hey fellas,

I went to LOS back in Feb. and had an amazing time. I'm going back for a month in August and considering staying at the Grand President on Suk/Soi 11. It seemed to be a great place and certainly cheap enough. Do any of you have other hotel recommendations? Has anyone else stayed there and then somewhere else where they were more satisfied with price/accomodations/service, etc.?

irishlager

IrishLager

05-26-03, 06:54

Has anyone been to New Cleopatra? Does it rate well? Do they allow farangs?

I'm trying to decide which MP I'd like to visit the hour after I land in LOS. I want a real massage in addition to the soapy treatment. Darling's is supposed to be good as well. The pics on New Cleo's website have some real honeys.

Byeon Kwang Sae

05-26-03, 11:31

Need Advice - - Where in BKK can I buy high quality sex toys?

Thanks,

BKS

Arizona Neal

05-27-03, 02:34

no power, no power.

i finally wandered into the nep... and started walking around the place, or trying to. everyone here wants a small piece of you. into the cabaret in the corner, shown a seat. meet a few guys from norway, who are really into having a good time. i'm checking this out, having a heineken. they have some fine dancers in there, and not so fine dancers. its all in the way they move. and everyone is trying to make eye contact with you. its like these girls have farang radar. off to my left, i get a glance of girl sitting down, and i can see her face. with me, if the face is gorgeous, it just makes the deed that much easier. she had a nice slim body, and the mamasan is trying to get us to pick someone. i point to the girl, and the next thing i know, she's sitting right next to me. turns out she's from laos. cannot communicate good with her, but she puts her head on my shoulder. i buy her a drink, watch the girls dance some, and then i pay the bf (500 baht), and we head to the mini-mart for a big bottle of coca-cola.

up in the room, she's shy. she takes a shower, and then i take a shower. when i come out of the shower, she's under the covers still wearing the towel, which i find odd, but its a sense of security for her, i find out later.

i start to feel her up, and its good. i go down on her, she's got a larger than average clitoris. a turn on for me. not much of a kisser, but oh well. i get the condom on, get between her legs, and enter her. well, i made the wrong choice on the condom size. this one is choking me, and i'm very conscious of that within a few minutes. turn her over, and do her doggy style. she gets off after a few minutes, (i think the second time for her), and then i slow down, and she becomes uncoupled from me, and says "no power, no power".

well, i lay down, and she's in my arms and i unpeel the condom. i tell her to use her hands, motioning up and down, and then her mouth. sort of mechanical, more grabbing then sliding and not wet enough for me. but finally i get off, and lay there. she jumps up, into the shower and gets dressed. she says she is going back to bar. paid her 1,000 baht.

summary

body: 8/10 face 9/10 (to me anyways)
sex: 6/10

i have read on the wsg that the best looking girls don't provide the best sex, which i found out to be true with this one. but i'm okay with it.

i have been in bangkok for 24 hours. wow.

to be continued..........

Arizona Neal

05-27-03, 03:18

The Majestic Suites is a nice enough hotel. The staff is friendly, courteous and the rooms are nice (but smallish as reported previously here).

Tried the thai massage and foot massage (Parkway INN). Dee gave me a nice long massage which felt great, and a nice foot massage. I think it was 700 baht total for both treatments, and two hours. No sex.

Wandered over to the Nana Hotel and into the lobby. Had dinner there, which was very good. Then sat in the bar, and my friends from Norway showed up. They have been coming here for 10 years or so, and they told me the show starts at 1:45 am, when the disco starts to close down. He was right. A few farangs come out, but a zillion chicks of all sizes and shapes, come out. Very amusing to see them "work it" when they come out of there.

One girl in particular catches my attention. Don't remember the name. She resembles the oriental version of Sandra Bullock, anyone seen her ? She is fun to be with. I take her back, S/T her and the sex is good, with a good GFE. Best BBBJ of my trip. 2 hours later, she is gone, and its the end of the day.

I was doing some shopping on the sidewalks around here, and meet this chick (JAEB). Remember that name, and avoid at all costs. I phoned her up that night and she came down and met me. We have a few drinks, dinner I think, and then back to my room. She is totally into pleasing me, toothpaste on the brush, folding my clothes, etc....... I'm amazed by her running around, straightening things up. Then into bed, and we start making out, and the condom is on, and I'm banging her. Two minutes later, she stops and says "you finish?". No, I didn't finish I tell her. You not finished? NO I AM NOT FINISHED. Then the ***** starts telling me that in Thailand culture it is bad luck to kiss the womans feet. What? No good to kiss ladies feet.

That was all well and good. But I didn't come CLOSE to kissing her feet. This went on forty five minutes, and Now I am pissed, and only want her to leave. She won't go. Can't get her to get out of my room. So I call security and tell them to come to my room, and escort this gal outta here. NOW. Security shows up and she starts telling him (actually lying to him) what had gone down. He looks at me, she's talking to him, and I say to him, "What did she say to you?" Well, the security guard does not speak English. I motion for him to remove her at once from my room. Then at the door is a maid who sort of speaks Nit noi English. She gets the story from the girl, and is looking at me like I'm a jerk. "What did she say to you?" I ask. She say in Thailand bad luck to kiss ladies feet, and you no pay when you finished."

I didn kiss her feet I explained, and further explain to her that I didn't finish, and then realize that under my pants, I'm still wearing the damned condom. I undo my pants, and pull the condom. NO FINISH I say. No finish.

At this point, I just want her out of my room (about 45 minutes has transpired). I go to elevator outside of room, and open the door, and we all go down to lobby. The security guard doesn't speak english. The girl down stairs hears the story, and says "she say you kiss her feet, which is bad luck in Thailand."

I try to remain calm, and explain I didn't kiss her feet, e is messed up. She is lying to everyone here.

The girl finally leaves the hotel. I am pissed off. I tell the girl at the front desk "here is a good business tip - hire security guards who can speak at least a little English." She replies, "yes we should, I know that is a problem here". I ask, does this happen often? to which she replies, yes, almost once a DAY.

Lesson learned by me. But man, I was pissed. Lost 1,000 baht, plus 150 baht cab fare. So I remember the rule after de facto, pay only when the girl leaves the room, and the job is done.

more to follow. . .

TheContinental

05-27-03, 06:43

jaimito,

First of all I'd say you got a good rate on teh hotel, but, try booking through planetholiday or the like. I've seen a lot of the nice places on Soi 22 (Rembrandt) for under B2000 on those sites.

I've found that going heavy on the fluids, in combination with Thai food, really helps one lose weight--the hot spices really curb one's appetite.

It seems the movies keep on getting more and more expensive at the Emporium. But, that place has unbeatable aircon.

--------------

For the guy who wants to compare prices: Why not? Hang'em up and let's see how well you did.

Maximus #2

05-27-03, 10:07

Hey Jaimito,

Thanks for the shopping info. Can you tell me what the DVD movie prices are like in Bangkok and where the best places to buy them would be?

Thanks in advance, Max.

Dick Johnson

05-27-03, 15:08

Originally posted by Sammy Guy
First Timer Report ... In a nutshell, it was: 1. The greatest vacation of my entire life, and 2. A completely different experience than what I expected.

I went to Bangkok a couple of weeks ago planning to experience everything. I wanted to bag a different hottie every night, get a soapy, experience Eden, an oil massage, everything! Instead I wound up fallling in love and spending basically the entire week, day and night, with the same girl. And I feel completely satisfied, even though I didn't get to do everything I had planned. Anyone else have this experience? I'm sure I'm not the first!

.....Thailand has got to be the greatest country in the world. I want to move there now! Even if things don't work out with this girl, I WANT TO LIVE IN THAILAND!! Too bad it's difficult to make much money there!

LOL. It's not unusual to feel that way. Some feel the same about other Asian countries too. But many feel that about Thailand. For all that is said about how great (or bad) U.S. is etc. It is quite boring for a lot of people.

Sammy, I think you have been quite generous(some will say overpaying:)) with your girl, paying her 2500baht per day. No doubt she is happy. And maybe you feel it is money well spent. 29 yrs is considered a bit past her prime in Thailand. I remember getting into an argument with some guys here 2 yrs ago about how much to pay. They were accusing me of overpaying.

There are those(esp Samus) who advocate just f*cking them and forgeting them. Staying with the same girl can be wonderful but are you starting to miss her? Perhaps we should take this to the Thai women section.

Dick Johnson

05-27-03, 15:14

New Cleopatra is one of the larger MPs, with a pretty good selection. Check the Massage Parlour section.

-DJ

Originally posted by irishlager
Has anyone been to New Cleopatra? Does it rate well? Do they allow farangs?

I'm trying to decide which MP I'd like to visit the hour after I land in LOS. I want a real massage in addition to the soapy treatment. Darling's is supposed to be good as well. The pics on New Cleo's website have some real honeys.

Ao Man

05-27-03, 15:42

Hi guys,

I'm new to the group, great site, good info. I dont understand about these guys who pay 2500b. I have lived in LOS for 5 years and have never paid even half that for some very hot cutties. Guys come on, think about it. This is Thailand not the USA. The average salary is about 8000b per month. I will leave you with one last thought: WHO SETS THE PRICE WE PAY THE GIRLS IN LOS, IS IT THE GIRLS OR US?

EDITOR's NOTE: I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect everyone to be a great writer, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. Thanks!

Marauder

05-28-03, 19:12

Hey Folks! I'm here in BKK now, staying at the Royal Asian Lodge for a few nights. I am interested in getting into the night sceene here, but I'm not sure where/how to begin. I guess I'm not much of a city person, and I'm kinda intimidated by all this. I may sound like a pussy, but you know what they say, you are what you eat.

Anyway, any advice would be apprecaited.

Warmly

Chris

Jaimito Cartero

05-28-03, 23:28

Shopping tips - DVDs, shirts, etc

As long as I was buying at least 8 or so t-shirts, I could always get them for 100 baht each. I bought these in the Nana night market, plus the Silom night market.

DVDs- I'm sure that other people have said this, but many of the DVDs you'll buy here are crap. I'm sure that Matrix reloaded is on the street already, but it's usually bad video quality, and has a tendency to skip or freeze up.

I bought 8 DVDs in Silom night market for 100 baht each. I bought another 6 or so in Nana night market for 115 each (these included some porno ones).

I found that the porno ones, and the older released ones were of good quality. The Two Towers, Confession of a Dangerous Mind and others that were pre-released for Oscar consideration (to the voters), are good quality.

VCDs are a bit cheaper (60-70 baht), but probably not worth getting.

The weekend market had some really nice items. I did stock up on silk scarves, carved elephants, frogs and stuff. I saw a large Elephant pewter mug that the starting price was 500 baht. (I had paid 700 for one near the Nana night market).

I bought about $60 worth of stuff at the Weekend market, I bought a lot of stuff at one place, I also got them to change a $100 for me, and give me a very good (43 baht to a dollar) exchange rate. I had to fight for the exchange when the deal was done (I do bargain hard), but I'm always willing to walk away, so I had no problems in Thailand.

Things I got for $60. 4 long silk scarves (fringed ends), 1 sheer scarf, 1 huge silk bedspead (7' x 6', I think), set of pewter elephant salt/pepper shakers, flower vase (pewter, with elephant engravings), big carved elephant (12" tall), large carved elephant head (with removable tusks) (weighs about 4 pounds), huge carved green frog (with stick you run over the frogs back, makes nice sounds), plus a few things I've forgotten, I'm sure.

I was really amazed at some of the pricing in Thailand. Things that would sell in the US for $40 are only $3 there. I'm wondering if commercial printing is cheap there. How nice it would be to have a good business reason to go to Thailand for a few weeks and get a tax right off (Or tax audit?).

Jaimito Cartero

05-28-03, 23:33

Speaking of reasons on going to Bangkok. I was going to go to Costa Rica for a month or so near the end of the summer, but am now thinking of trying Thailand instead.

I have a house in Costa Rica, so it's usually a bit cheaper to stay there. Has anyone rented an apartment or such at a low price (Say $100 or less a week) with good results?

I'd like to budget $1500 for a months stay (room, board and chicas), but I'm not sure if that's realistic or not.

I read that through September there is often bad weather. Is that going to be a problem?

LoveLOS

05-29-03, 04:20

Originally posted by Jaimito Cartero
I'd like to budget $1500 for a months stay (room, board and chicas), but I'm not sure if that's realistic or not.

Jaimito,

Gonna be tough, but I thought I would run the numbers for my own amusement. Food and lodging are major costs. Allowing $25 per day for hotel and $8 for food, you only have $500 left for chicas and alcohol. You can live in a real dump and eat at street stalls and dives all for $10 - $12 per day, leaving about $1100 for sex and alcohol; your call there, but that may be scary...

If you go to bars then ladies drinks ($2-$3 ea) and barfines ($12ea) will eat up most of the cash in about 15 days. Plus the girls want $23 - $45 in the bars (ST and LT). Assuming 4 drinks, and BF plus an average lady you are looking at about $50 per encounter, not counting drinks for nights off. You have funds for 10 - 20 suck-sex-full encounters depending on your lodging and food expenses. Costs at MPs are similar...

If you are a good looking young stud, consider semi-pros that masquerade as students (often free, and usually cheaper than bar girls if you have to pay). Not as dependable and their aim is to bag a husband, so be careful.

For average guys, here is the cheap ticket: go to places like Grace and Thermae to pick up girls without paying a bar fine and ladies drinks to pull it off. Even if you choose the better lodging, if you average 750bht a day for alcohol and women, you can have a different lady each night... Keep in mind the quality of the average female is MUCH lower on the street than in the bars and MPs.

We have not thought about taxis, skytrains, souveniers, viagra, full sized condoms, good food, extra drinking, or losing some cash... If you are a young stud and want more than one pop a day, like to party, or are particular about the quality of creature you will have sex with, I would budget $2500 to $3000 for the month...

Be frugal and have a hell of a good time.
LoveLOS

Arizona Neal

05-29-03, 05:40

Can anyone give me an idea where the CM2 Disco is? It is in Bangkok, correct ? I have asked some people of it, and no one (at least the people I have asked) knows where it is.

I would like to check that place out. I have been keeping a low profile, recharging the batteries.

Thanks !

Neal

Dinghy

05-29-03, 06:01

JC - you need to come to Pattaya. The room prices are anywhere from $5 (guesthouse fan room) to 1000B/night in some other mid-range places. Go out to freelancerbar-dot-com and read some of the hotel reports under pattaya - there are relatively "good" rooms available for 10000B/month (or 4500 if you want to stay in the REALLY cheap seats) but for 4500 don't expect the Ritz. Yo might have to read a bunch of places until yu find one you like - 100US/week will get you a nice place - look at "residence garden" I think is the name under FLB site they have some kind of special arrangement with them for a pretty low price but maybe not 100/wk

IF you want to go "out" a little ways, you can find lower priced stuff, too but you would need to rent a motodup (motorbike) for xport or taxi to get around. hell, cold water room (who need HOT water here anyway) and spend the money on a tilac. (which is possible to find 2 for les show and multiple female attacks on your bod for say 1000B for the night (might get a bit scary unless you can lock up things though honest place as this seems to be I have a hard time trusting 2 girls at once since i can only watch 1 at a time (particularly easy if she's sitting on my face) passed last PM on the doulblemint special. Freelancers are the way to go but avoid the ladyboys (unless that's your thing) The tilacs run the gamut form drop dead gorgeous (9+ because I have a hard time rating anything a 10 but last night there were a couple CLOSE) to woof woof (is there much less than a 1 but then again, IF you don't look at the face and they do a mean bbbj and good amssage, who cares - I aint interested in a long term relationship)

anyway, my .02 worth

Jaimito Cartero

05-29-03, 12:12

I had read a little bit about some apartments, and thought that would be a cheaper way to go. I've found the Bier Garden girls and freelancer girls to be okay, too.

I'm sure I'd save up and go to Eden at least once. I don't usually drink, so mostly bottled water on the tab. Big guys just need a LOT of water in BKK!

Any comments on the weather and such in late August and September?

Dinghy

05-29-03, 13:35

JC- not much difference in seasons - except that high season is "dryer" - funny, though, dry here (Pattaya) all week so far. but Krungthep is dry right now, too

also, I'm going thru 6 or 8 bottles of water/day myself (them's LITERS folks) plus a six pack minimum of beer, too - most of it coming out in sweat, not [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140). Even the latency on beer is increased pretty much to "infinite" IF I'm outside. Try to stay out of the sun, though (for obvious reasons)

Thaipan

05-29-03, 13:47

Originally posted by tapioca

only thing i didn't like was dat she was trying to coax me into getting my ass fucked by her finger.

tapioca

This seems to be quite a common theme in Eden with the girls now! OK with a finger but one of the girls I had last March wanted to use a f**king huge dildo on me!!! No way!!!

Thaipan

Thaipan

05-29-03, 13:58

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ao Man
[i]Hi guys,

I'm new to the group, great site, good info. I dont understand about these guys who pay 2500b. I have lived in LOS for 5 years and have never paid even half that for some very hot cutties. Guys come on, think about it. This is Thailand not the USA. The average salary is about 8000b per month. I will leave you with one last thought: WHO SETS THE PRICE WE PAY THE GIRLS IN LOS, IS IT THE GIRLS OR US?

I agree with you 100% Ao Man, never pay too much, slip the girl discretely 1000 baht in the morning and it will be fine. She will soon tell you if you pay too little!

Thaipan

1Ball

05-29-03, 18:07

Originally posted by Jaimito Cartero

I was really amazed at some of the pricing in Thailand. Things that would sell in the US for $40 are only $3 there. I'm wondering if commercial printing is cheap there. How nice it would be to have a good business reason to go to Thailand for a few weeks and get a tax right off (Or tax audit?). [/i]

JC. I import from Indonesia into the USA and have all my brochures printed in LOS. The cost is about 25% of what it costs in the States. Of course, once you have included all your extra costs to go talk to your printer, it might work out to be more expensive, but you've had a lot of fun doing biz . <grin>

1ball

1Ball

05-29-03, 20:50

JC, if u r seriously interested in checking out printing companies, leave your email, I'll send you the neame of the people I use.

1ball

Jaimito Cartero

05-30-03, 03:18

You can email me at:
jaimito_cartero@yahoo.com

(make sure you put the underline space in the middle).

Printing places would be a help.

While in the long run, it might be a little more expensive for the whole trip, it would certainly make me look forward to getting my printing stuff done!

I usually get just black ink on white paper sales booklets done. I'd like to do color, but the pricing for small volume (3000-4000) is usually prohibitive.

Duniawala

06-02-03, 05:57

7 days and counting to get on Thai Airways to LOS.

God! it feels sooooooo gooood. Even though it is for 2 nights.

back again on July1 -4. If anyone is interested to meet up let me know.

have fun guys.

Duniawala

06-02-03, 05:59

BTW, the word for BJ is smoke. Anyone know what's the word/phrase is for backdoor. Either thai or english as long as the TG understands.

Mucho appreciated for a reply.

Jaimito Cartero

06-02-03, 15:31

Dun- I truly hope you aren't only coming for the girls. Either that, or you're very close.

The amount of time it takes me to recover from 24 hours in a plane/airport is at least 2 days! I would consider that almost torture, unless they had an Eden section on the plane! :)

Now, that is a reason to fly Business Class. Eden hostesses!

Josip

06-02-03, 21:30

I'm staying at the Royal Asia Lodge for a fortnight next month. I'd like to barfine a girl at the Nana Plaza every night (hopefully I can find one that I like enough to barfine her every night, I'm not much for being a butterfly). What is the best place at Nana Plaza for me : a good cross section of both nice girl and low price ?

The Traveler

06-02-03, 21:52

duniawala :

The word you are looking for is

english = greek (thais won't understand that)
thai = tam dood (means make ass)

Have fun

Duniawala

06-03-03, 04:10

Traveller

Thanks. Will sure have fun.

JC
Unfortunately it is business trip and have to catch a connection to India. But on the way back I get a few days. And oh yes, its Bus Class all the way so it's not too bad

Patch Adams

06-03-03, 05:57

Hello everyone,

I will be in town from July 1st till the 4th and will be staying at Royal Asia. Duniawala, leave a msg with Suet to Patchadams and perhaps we can hit a few spots together.

Patch

Thaipan

06-03-03, 15:42

Originally posted by josip
I'm staying at the Royal Asia Lodge for a fortnight next month. I'd like to barfine a girl at the Nana Plaza every night (hopefully I can find one that I like enough to barfine her every night, I'm not much for being a butterfly). What is the best place at Nana Plaza for me : a good cross section of both nice girl and low price ?

Just wander in and out of all the bars is the easy answer to your question and also remember you can get girls at bars like Big Dogs, Morning and Night bar and the one right outside the Nana Hotel as well! They are everywhere!!

Rates are low at the moment but the bar fine will still be 500 baht in NEP and you ought to pay no more than 1000 baht for LT. Try Sexy Nights on the first floor, it is a small bar but the girls are nice and they always have good classic rock music on! Say hi to Min and saw for me if you do go there!

I recommend that you DO NOT bar fine the same girl every night, no fun in that, you will get bored and she will treat you like a walking ATM! Go forth and butterfly my man!

Even though rates are low and there are not a lot of tourists about because of SARS etc, treat the girls with respect and don't try to short change them, Thai girls love to laugh and have fun, the more you can make them laugh the better fun you will have, I guarantee it!

Sanuk!!!

Thaipan

Thaipan

06-03-03, 15:44

Originally posted by duniawala
Traveller

Thanks. Will sure have fun.

JC
Unfortunately it is business trip and have to catch a connection to India. But on the way back I get a few days. And oh yes, its Bus Class all the way so it's not too bad

The only way to do it duniwala! I'm doing the same trip in October and can't wait!

Have fun!

Thaipan

Apac Boy

06-04-03, 05:30

anal eh? how bout:

khun mee doo yai...chawp mak mak. tham dai mai?
then slap ur hands together like ur clapping
heh heh...

tapioca

ps, i'm watching miss universe right now...I could swear that I saw a chick that looks just like Miss Thailand doing a sexy show in one of them bars in Patpong...

Erik

06-04-03, 14:11

Thaipan,

Sorry to contradict, but most of the best ggo bars in Nana Plazza have now raised bar fine up to 600B !
This is outrageous and they deserve a decade of boycott from all of us !

Khao Rop

06-05-03, 02:17

Thaipan

I confirm what Erik has just said. I took out a girl (Thai No: 77) from Hollywood Bar (top floor NEP) last Saturday. Barfine was THB600.

I would like to add a little more to this price issue. I also went to Star of Light, Patpong II (opposite Cleopatra). Took out 2 girls. We talked a lot about prices. This is a BBBJ Bar. A BBBJ costs THB500 of which the girl gets THB300. You can also fuck the girl in a dingy tiny backroom which costs THB1,000 of which the girl gets THB600. Barfine is to take out is THB400.

I had these two girls together for LT, three fucks each of them and gave them each THB2,000 in the morning. They were worth it.

They were not dissatisfied with what I paid them, but I was quite alarmed to hear that some men have paid other girls in that bar THB4,000 and even THB6,000 for LT. That is really crazy and is spoiling the market. Men should always bear in mind the "in-bar" standard of THB1,000 for a ST that I have mentioned. If the girl gets just one of those in a day she thinks herself lucky and a "take-out" ST should not go much beyond that.

Just Me

06-08-03, 11:46

all,

first time in los since january and i'm alarmed at the prices being quoted by these gals.
each time i've asked how much for lt in soi cowboy, the initial answer is 3,000 baht. wtf, is it made of gold? each time i've told them they are high on yaba. they just giggle and tell me it's up to me.

yup, up to me means 1,000-1,500 lt depending on service and that's exactly what they get.

next, another icq note for me (see beijing board for reference).
i've been chatting with a gal for about 2 weeks and she says she wants to come see me. i say , what for. she says, you know.
well this flirting goes on for a few days. she then tells me she wants to do all. so i get very specific. and shesays yes to everything.

so, no i'm worried this isn't a normal gal. i've lived in los and have had over 30 trips here other than livinghere for a year and i know that good thai girls just don't show them selves this way.

i'm thinking this is a bargirl with alot of time on her hands to chat with me. but, she tells me she's an office worker.

she comes over and was she the most incredible bbbj i've had.
what was amazing, she loved it more than i. she would deepthroat over and over and over. making herself gag. she said she loved that part. wow. what a cal.

she ends up that she's actually a college grad, sr. accountant at a foreign company. not married. just loves sex. and she outlasted me and begged for more. we spent 6 hours in the afternoon and didn't stop at all. she was kinky. in the shower, she begged me to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in her mouth. yikes, what have i got on my hands. i drew the line there as that's just not me. but, she said sheloved it.

she left, i offered her taxi money. she declined. i'll see her next time. definietly.

good luck all.
just me

Erik

06-08-03, 23:04

Read in a nightlife magazine specialized for Japanese : an ad for fully furnished and serviced room "including one girl", for a month fee of 50.000 to 70.000 B !
Anyone experienced this kind of rental ?

Franco

06-09-03, 06:55

Any chance to get girls wearing garter belts, high heels & nylons in BKK ?

I tried a few escort agencies, they always say YES. Once the girl knocks your door, they pretend they do not understand anymore.....

This is my fetish, any recommendations ?

Franco

Meaty

06-09-03, 07:13

Guys, some advice please, (or redirect me to the correct part of the board) I need to do a visa run, but i want to go somewhere where there is some action, budget is tight, flying is out, i only need the stamp in and out, no embassy required. Where do you recommend? I'm thinking Phuket and then the boat run to Myanmar, or somewhere on the Thai/Cambodian border, anyone done this before? i just fancy a change from the usual scene in bangkok.
Help appreciated, Meaty.

Philo

06-09-03, 09:33

Meaty

Take a look at the links in the new 'Living in Thailand' thread - maybe you can find some info there.

Freeler

06-09-03, 09:51

Meaty,

There are several options open to you:

For 30 day visas:
-Take an overnight bus (from BKKMorchit2 or Pattaya) to MaeSai, take a songthaew to the border, walk across, walk back, get your 30 day visa (about $10?), take a songthaew to the busstation, take an overnight bus back to BKK.
You will be back home well within 48 hours.

This route is easier and faster than similar trips to Ranong-Myanmar or MaeSot-Myanmar.
Before attempting any crossing into Myanmar, please make sure that the border is open, check with the police(!) in BKK.

You could take a train to HadYai, take the bus to Sadao/PadangBesar and walk across the border and back the same way.

For 3 month visas:
-Check with travel agents in BKK for a visa-run trip to Cambodia;
or:
-Take an overnight train to Butterworth, take the ferry to GeorgeTown (Penang), sort out your visa at the Thai consulate, this takes at least two nights in GeorgeTown.
Be careful when making reservation for the train back to BKK...

Mr Z

06-09-03, 19:44

originally posted by just me
all,

first time in los since january and i'm alarmed at the prices being quoted by these gals.

each time i've asked how much for lt in soi cowboy, the initial answer is 3,000 baht. wtf, is it made of gold? each time i've told them they are high on yaba. they just giggle and tell me it's up to me.

yup, up to me means 1,000-1,500 lt depending on service and that's exactly what they get.

next, another icq note for me (see beijing board for reference).
i've been chatting with a gal for about 2 weeks and she says she wants to come see me. i say , what for. she says, you know.
well this flirting goes on for a few days. she then tells me she wants to do all. so i get very specific. and shesays yes to everything.

so, no i'm worried this isn't a normal gal. i've lived in los and have had over 30 trips here other than livinghere for a year and i know that good thai girls just don't show them selves this way.

i'm thinking this is a bargirl with alot of time on her hands to chat with me. but, she tells me she's an office worker.

she comes over and was she the most incredible bbbj i've had.
what was amazing, she loved it more than i. she would deepthroat over and over and over. making herself gag. she said she loved that part. wow. what a cal.

she ends up that she's actually a college grad, sr. accountant at a foreign company. not married. just loves sex. and she outlasted me and begged for more. we spent 6 hours in the afternoon and didn't stop at all. she was kinky. in the shower, she begged me to [CodeWord134] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134) in her mouth. yikes, what have i got on my hands. i drew the line there as that's just not me. but, she said sheloved it.

she left, i offered her taxi money. she declined. i'll see her next time. definietly.

good luck all.
just me just me,

sounds like real gem. i'm going back to bkk early july, you wouldn't mind sharing her info?

j

Meaty

06-10-03, 02:33

Freeler,
Cheers for that, re MaeSai is there any girl action around? budget places to stay and a few welcome places for a singh? If i'm going through the hassle of escaping the wife for 48hrs it seems crazy not to utilise the time away! I'm not expecting anything like the scene in Bangkok but surely a few bars catering to the farang croud (*or local horny croud) making such trips in large numbers every day. I'd just like to make a night out of it and enjoy the different surroundings.
Thanks again
Meaty

WISteve

06-10-03, 02:35

Agree entirely with Thaipan's advice ie: butterfly my man!
There are so many beautiful Thai ladies available in the Sukhumvik area that you will not want to be tied to one of them. And if she hangs around more than a couple days they can get demanding and you can get "stuck" on them. It's WAYY too easy to get attached to one of the little rascals that treats you well.

I always enjoyed watching the go-gos, but the drink prices are high and the performance is variable sometimes. You CAN find a good one, but the pros can be pretty convincing right up to the point where you pay the bar fine and then play starfish on you.

My best experiences have always been with the smaller bars and beer bars around Nana. Golden Bar in front of Nana Hotel and Morning and Night Bar on Soi 4 are both good places and you can start the day early afternoon if you wish.

Just always remember...they are the pros and we are the amateurs!
--WISteve

Joe Zop

06-10-03, 04:41

Hey, Freeler, I though you generally didn't recommend buses from Bangkok to the north -- why the change?

Meaty, there's action to be had on either side of the Mae Sai border. You can also easily take the bus from Mae Sai to Chiang Rai (most of the longer buses go through the station there in any event, and it's a very cheap public bus to and fro) and find some action there. Awful tiring and long trip doing the whole thing by bus nonstop, though, but then I'm not one for long bus trips anyway as I tend to just not have enough room for my legs.

Freeler

06-10-03, 05:30

Joe_zop,

'Hey, Freeler, I though you generally didn't recommend buses from Bangkok to the north -- why the change?'

No change!
I don't think newbies should be on the BKK-CM buses. The bus to ChiangRai and MaeSai is, as far as I know, a problem free service.
The service from Pattaya to MaeSai is not just problem free, but quiet as well. I never had more than 15 fellow passengers.

I don't find the bus 'awful' or 'tyring', or am I the only one who brings earplugs and isn't 6ft10? The MaeSai route is the quickest way to renew a visa, but of course you can stay in MaeSai or ChiangRai for as long as you please.

Joe Zop

06-11-03, 03:02

So you're making a distinction between the Bangkok to CM & CR service -- is your caution for the CM route in particular, separate from routes elsewhere? Is it a difference in companies? Something else? Or is this a general caution for newbies on longer bus trips?

And, yes, I do always have and use earplugs, and I'm a fair bit shy of Yao Ming status, (more in the Stephon Marbury/Jay Williams range) but I still do find 14-plus hours on a bus wearying. At least on a train I can get up, stretch, and walk around a bit. Maybe it's just because I'm getting older, but it takes me a day or two to get the kinks out of my system after such a bus trip. Of course, in LOS, that's a good excuse for a visit to a massage place... :)

ManonsanBoy

06-11-03, 23:56

Hey, Nana has been named as a target for a terrorist plot. Has that affected business?

Boom

06-12-03, 05:31

Has anyone stayed at the Honey Hotel on Soi 19 recently? Just curious how the rooms etc are and if there have been any problems.

Freeler

06-12-03, 05:37

Manonsanboy,

So what?
Plenty targets were never named terrorist targets!
Bologna, Kuta, the Valley of the Kings to name just a few.

JuiceSpike

06-12-03, 11:42

Manonsanboy,

Where did you get that Nana has been picked by terrorists as a target?
Are you sure?
Are you on Yaba?
If so, what would be the point of terrorists to boom boom a bunch of hookers and dicks?

Juice.

Sixtynine

06-12-03, 12:34

I do not believe it has been labeled a target as no attempt has been foiled there as of yet, at least that we know about. I think people just consider this as an opportunistic place for terrorist group objectives. Where else do so many foreigners congregate in such a small space and besides, many have commented here on this board just how much of a fire hazzard this place is with only one real entrance about 3-5 metres wide.

Personally, I think what can be found in Nana Plaza can be found for less in Soi Cowboy or other places. Only difference is a slight difference in quality sometimes and a guaranteed higher jump in price.

In my experience, I have also found more gogos and lookers in Nana but consider the place to be more Starfish Square if you know what I mean.

Joe Zop

06-12-03, 15:59

Manonsanboy is right -- the Thai National Intelligence Agency named Nana as one of the targets of the four terror suspects who were just arrested. I agree that in many ways it's an ideal target for terrorists -- it's fairly compact, could be attacked structurally in a way that would do lots of damage, and has probably got the highest concentration of westerners in Bangkok.

Juice, given that part of the issue with these radicals is the lifestyle and morality of the non-Muslim world, I'd think an attack on Nana would make perfect sense (as much as a terror attack can be said to "make sense" that is) as it's something that wouldn't exist in the world of Jemaah Islamiyah. Terrorist attacks are all about symbolism and having a large psychological effect -- the World Trade Center was known world-wide as a symbol of US economic power, and probably was more important in that sense outside of the US than inside. In terms of being a symbol Nana certainly makes every bit as much sense -- or more -- than the Bali attack.

But I think the response here pretty well answers Manonsanboy's question: Nana as a target isn't exactly something that's been trumpeted in the news, so I wouldn't expect it would have much effect in terms of scaring punters away from the scene. Economics and the rest of the loveliness in the world has already been having enough of an effect, it seems...

Skinless

06-12-03, 17:20

HOney Hotel: this should be in the hotel section. A prostitute friend of mine did recommend it to me on one memorable occasion, so it is probably girl friendly.
Thai women: any help with my latest puzzle?I am thinking of deserting Thai pussy for real love in the Philippines.

Nana: of course this and Pattaya are targets but the Thai cops are probably watching very closely. When I heard the new, they were the first places I thought of. So at least prices might fall. Johnny Bravo will be moaning but it will keep his type away:)

Freeler

06-12-03, 17:22

Joe_zop,

Thai intelligence naming a Thai target? Strange!
The Thai gov have repeatedly urged the Aussie gov not to name 'SEA' or 'Thailand' a target without substantial proof...
The Thai gov are pumping BILLIONS of Baht into the Thai tourist industry to keep it afloat...
And now they name a target themselves?
Strange!

Skinless,

You're losing it!
If you choose PI as a huntingground, forget about the comfy travel you've grown used to in Thailand.
And I know of no words to describe the lack of culture in PI...
Have you ever seen those pics on the ******** board? Nothing but fat old white dudes who definitely can't get it at home, not a matter of 'principle' (Philo?), who have nothing better to do but to wait for next month's wet-t-shirt competition, so they can shoot some more crappy pics... (Prog of course is a rare exception, your Honeyko rocks!)

Joe Zop

06-12-03, 18:03

I know, Freeler, it struck me as odd also, but maybe it's because they were announcing that they'd cracked the case and made arrests, thus showing that the esteemed (cough!) Thai police and intelligence agencies were keeping things safe for all Thais and tourists by keeping these nasty radicals off the streets. Maybe announcing arrests falls in the "substantial proof" category.

I found it very interesting that they specifically named Nana while only saying that "five embassies" were targets without identifying any of those other than the one from Singapore (the only non-Thai arrested was from Singapore.)

Maybe naming Nana is an attempt to show that it's now safe, since the plot has been smashed. But more likely it's simply that because Thaksin is currently in the US to talk with Bush about terrorism the Thais are giving a timely demonstration that they're on the ball, and are keeping things safe for drunken horny Americans, who should therefore now visit more.

JuiceSpike

06-12-03, 20:53

Joe,

I read that 5 embassies were the possible targets but did not see Nana as a possible target. Do you have a link to where you got this info?

I will be in Bkk in a week and don't want my ass blown away... not worth it. Although I will be hooking up with 2 "non-pros" one a student (probably partimer) and the other is a hard working woman for an entertainment Thai company...

Skinnless,

Go for the love but don't forget to bring your wallet.

Juice.

Joe Zop

06-12-03, 22:11

Well, I doubt you're in any more substantial danger than usual -- a plan is different from actually going forward. A very old friend of mine told me that many years back he and lots of radical left-wingers used to sit around being pissed off about Kennedy's approach to Cuba and saying someone ought to blow him away -- and then were completely shocked and horrified when it happened. Obviously, recent event necessarily make us all skittish, but I'd be surprised if there's a country anywhere in the world that doesn't have some folks making some kind of terrorist plans. The question is whether or not they'll act.

Anyway, I saw the info in a couple of places -- http://www.bangkokpost.com/Business/13Jun2003_biz56.html is one, and this site http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,6587784%255E401,00.html has more recent information -- saying that a map was recovered, with circles around the Australian, American, British, Israeli and Singaporean embassies. It says that the other targets considered were Nana, Kao San Road, central shopping malls and Pattaya.

SexReview

06-12-03, 23:25

Guys,

Don't kid yourself Nana Plaza would be a great target for a terrorist. Mostly foreigners and the Thais that would be killed are all bar workers on the lowest social level in the country.

With only one main way in or out, all that they would need to do is block it and set the place on fire. And if you think the buildings would not burn within a few minutes you are only kidding yourself. Have you ever looked at the ceilings inside Go Go Bars? They would make The Station fire last February in the United States look like sometime. One hundred people died within minutes and that was in a club that had many exits and with a modern fire department on scene with 10 minutes. Even without terrorism Nana Plaza is a fire death trap.

Sexreview

Skinless

06-13-03, 00:04

Nana: Of course Nana/ Patpong etc would be a targert. Look at it from Osama's viewpoint. Kill lots of Westrners "fucking our women". THe Thai authroties are trying to get away from the sex tourism industry and probably overall regard Pattaya etc as no great loss, excpet in the short term.

Freeler, except for my security concerns (about her, not Pi), I figure it could be a good deal. She is cute and young and I love that. As long as she is not setting me up. Also I think Pi might be better for a warped mind like mine. Creature compforts, pussy apart, do nto matter. Personal security does,

JuiceSpike

06-13-03, 01:38

hmmm, OK.

On my last trip I was with a friend in a Nana bar talking about what if a bomb went off. We concluded we would be completely fucked. We tought the entrance to Nana was a perfect place but you can hardly park or drive a car in there because of all the motorbikes and food stands. We actually were coming up with a plan of escape when 2 sexy girls came over and started the 5 questions drill:

1. Where you from?
2. Where you stay?
3. Work or holiday?
4. How many times in Thailand?
5. What's your name?

The rest is history.

Joe,

Thanks for the links. It is something that every westener needs to be aware off and vigilant.

Juice.

Cebu Local

06-14-03, 00:51

Freeler etc
AC is not the philippines just like Patpong/Nana is not thailand.even FD would not consider retiring or staying in AC,but there are thousands of us expats in Cebu,Palawan,Bohol even Metro Manila,what creature comforts are we missing???.take me for example,Cebu has lower crime rate then Bangkok,lower air pollution,no traffic,people who all speak english and and with a easy laid back lifestyle,beaches are 15 minutes from the city, the mountains 30 minues,beer is 50 cents,women are 30$ LT and most of the expats i kow are with women who genuinely love and adore them.No culture??,tried going north to the tribal areas of Baguio and Sagada,Dangerous??not everywhere,In Bantayan island in north cebu which has hundreds of expats mostly germans and brits,the police do not even carry guns,no crime.I just wanted to point out that anybody going to the PI should not use AC as a gauge,there are plenty other islands out there regards

JohnnieBravo

06-14-03, 03:38

Hello all:

Am finally here in LOS so I am going to post a report as promised! Still recovering from the plane ride all my flights were packed full thus cramped. Just my first brief impressions.....first, it is really really sultry hot here....even at 1 in the morning that combined with everyone doing all that cooking along the street made the heat very intense. Went into the G-Spot at Nana but, I dunno.....I just kind of wanted to order a drink and relax and cool down and get the feel of the place but nothing doing there. Mamasan and girls were attacking me before I even had a chance to look things over. I don't know whether they are always that way there or not, but in any event after that long plane ride, I wasn't equipted to deal with that. So I then walked over to the Therame where I picked up 2 girls. One was about a 8 and the other a 6. Then is was back to the room for boom boom and a great massage. Insofar as performace goes 6 was better then 8. I gave them each 1000 baht for short time but I still couldn't sleep so I went to the corner of soi 8 and sukumvit and found another girl, older, only about a 6 BUT she was awesome she did things that any girl i've ever dated or been married to had never even thought about doing...she even spend the night...she only wanted 500 baht but she was really good so I gave her 1000 bht. One thing that does amaze me though is what's with the trash in this city I'm very surprised that it is not collected more often because in this heat it smells and attracts........of yeah that's right, that just gives em another food source, eh Freeler ;-) Will report more soon.

Dinghy

06-14-03, 15:18

my put on the idea that Thailand would not miss the sex trade - Hmmm, would you think that P4P is "new"? it's been around in Thailand for many many years. Personally, I think the blow to the tourism would be utterly devastating if sex tourism went away (I think its about 75% of the business) I might be wrong...

Freeler

06-14-03, 16:41

Dinghy,

(I think its about 75% of the business)

Hmmm... 75%? In Pattaya, Nana, Patpong and Patong, probably. In all other areas: NO WAY!
Package deals from European countries to Thailand have decreased by as much as 70%: the average tourist is staying away.
Our kind seems unperturbed, as even newbies, some of whom were very doubtful at first(JohnnieB!), did travel to the HolyLand.

Cebu,

I did mention Banaue and Batad as regions to visit. I did not see much in the way of culture in or near Baguio ,
but the surroundings of Segada are ideal for a hike in the hills. The crisp mountainair etc blablabla...

Joe Zop

06-14-03, 21:44

Of course the "official" view is that Thailand wouldn't miss sex tourists -- how could Thai pride have it be otherwise? I don't exactly forsee any upcoming campaigns that say, "Come screw our women, they're great!"

But what goes on in Pattaya, Nana, etc., is hardly under the radar -- those are areas aimed specifically at farang sex tourists and if Thai officials were truly interested in getting rid of sex tourism all they'd have to do is crack down on them, or even just enforce existing Thai laws against prostitution. And by cracking down I don't mean making the bars close when they're supposed to, or going after nudity here and there. They don't do it because they don't want it to disappear now -- they just want to make it look like they do for appearances sake, and to try to keep some degree of control on things while they work to build a more family-oriented trade. But while in the long-term they might love to see sex tourism go away, being replaced by families coming in and spending money on merchandise rather than women, the reality is that in the currently lousy tourism climate, they're likely to be a lot more interested in sex tourist dollars, not less. It's just not proper to admit it, and if pushed they'll understandably deny it.

SexReview

06-14-03, 22:53

Guys there can be no questions that if the sex trade tourism stopped now, Thailand would see it as a major financial lost. Remember how many people make a living off the sex trade not just the girls and the bars but all the business that supply them. All the expats moving to Thailand and buying houses and condos, the banks, the hospitals, hotels etc. Also don’t forget all the tea money and other payoffs. When a bar pays the police to look the other way were do you think that money goes? It goes to spending within the country, the police buy things with that cash and build the economy. Would it be the death of the economy to lose the sex trade? No but it would hurt and besides the Thai are more tolerant than us in the west so that don’t look at it as being a big moral problem like the United States does. Look at all the massage places in Bangkok that carter only to Thais, because the Thais don’t seem to see it as a problem. The last thing Thailand wants is to lose any tourist dollars right now.

Dinghy

06-15-03, 02:54

free - not exactly what I meant - while my visit includes ladies, it isn't the major reason for the trip. IT DID, THOUGH INFLUENCE MY DECISION OF WHERE TO GO!!. there would be a general loss of single male travel to thailand without it (and that's where my perhaps overstated 75% came from. on my plane I was talking to about 15 single guys going for "entertainment".

and review - when I came here 3 weeks ago, tourist arrivals were down som 50% or so. Every bar I'm in the girls are singing the blues about "no falang" (at least they don't take the mexican approach and raise prices to try to cover decreased volume.)

Joe - UNDER the RADAR? er... someone can actually MISS the BEER BARS?

JohnnieBravo

06-15-03, 04:18

ok guys had a lighter day today as I am saving up for my Eden experience. Went to soi Cowboy and checked things out there.....some bars really seems to make more of an effort sofaras the "dancing" goes. While I didn't go in all of them, it seems as thus far anyway, from my newbie point of view, that the freelancers......are the way to go. The girls at the soi cowboy bars look no hotter then a lot of the freelancers I've seen around. Anyway, after checking out soi Cowboy I went to the Theramae where I hooked up with a US Ex-Pat....really nice guy...he told me that the Grace Hotel does a great after hours so off we went. It was the closest thing to the Star Wars Cantina type scene I'd ever seen. They had a sign saying soda only after 2am, but lots of us were served beer anyway. An interesting, is that he and I breezed right by security while the TG's seemed to be getting their ID's checked and paying a cover maybe?? Also notice 3 tall black guys being turned away by security and getting in an argument about it. I asked my ExPat friend why they got turned away and he said because they were blacks from Africa and thus there a percieved in Thialand as being pretty rowdy. In any event, it was a pretty hopping crowd in there with people from countries all over. The TG that I decided to take back to my room was very friendly, althought she was not a stunner maybe only a 7 or so, she was younger and a university student (so she said). In any event, after the ST deed was done, I had paid her, like I have paid everyone else, 1000 baht. She then proceeded to tell me that this was not acceptable and that she wanted $2000 baht. She then when on with her life story and all that Jaee dee(or however you spell it) crap. When I continued to refuse, she started to cry and really raise her voice and get upset. Being a newbie and in a foreign land at 5am and not aware of what would ultimately happen in the event that she really went ballistic on me, I caved in and paid it just to see her gone(which I suppose is what she was counting on). I guess this really spoils it now for me with other TGs because now I think I am going to have to ask about how much baht up front. Makes it all much less like a GFE, but I don't want any surprises like that. How have some of our more seasoned campaigners handled a situation like this. Anything I can do, other then to ask upfront? Also, what if I was in the situation I described and had asked upfront and she originally had told me 1000baht, but then wanted $2000baht....I am pretty much at the mercy of the TG in that situation?? Please advise. Other then that, things are going pretty well......going to do a little shopping before my Eden Experience. Bye for now.

Joe Zop

06-15-03, 04:28

Umm, well, sure, Dinghy -- you could miss 'em if you're really, really hung over, and you walk past them before, say noon :D But that's my point, exactly -- there's nothing that's subtle about any of the mainstream Thai sex scene, and other countries have found plenty of ways to make it blend into the background if they so desire. The Thais may not want to acknowledge the scene as being something they want, but they're certainly not putting much effort into trying to make it go away.

JohnnieBravo -- you're never really at the mercy of TGs in this situation, you're more at the mercy of your worries about her making a scene. If you're worried, then, sure, set the price up front, but the words "hotel security" and "Tourist Police" can also have a nice calming effect at times. (Save them for when they're needed, though!) Even if you're being engineered, at worst you should just up the price a little bit as opposed to simply giving in -- just remember that bargaining is simply a part of the culture and process, and that's really what you were engaged in. Bottom line -- she thought you would pay more, and she was right.

Don't worry -- such things don't have to ruin the GFE side of things (umm, come to think of it, that's kind of the western GFE anyway, isn't it?) But short-time is more likely to give this kind of scene, as it's clearly not about the boyfriend-girlfriend model; it's about pure sex. Just chalk it up as experience gained, relax, and try again with someone else. And then someone else again.

JohnnieBravo

06-15-03, 04:45

Joe_Zop:

I did indeed try to give her more then 1000baht, but not the whole thing, but she wouldn't take it. I guess next time I would have to talk to her about the hotel security or tourist police. If I really had to go that route, what in your opinion would be the end result, especially since the transaction is not a legal one in the strictest sense of the word. Thanks again for all your help.

JohnnieBravo

Joe Zop

06-15-03, 05:12

Well, she's not the registered guest and you are, so she's got no legal right to be in your room. And since, as you note, it's not a strictly legal transaction, she's not got much to stand on in complaining about what she feels you might "owe" her. I'm presuming you're staying in a girl-friendly place, so this wouldn't be the first time they had to deal with something like this, and they already know why you're there, so it's not as though your reputation is somehow at risk.

Generally, TGs aren't going to hold the line in face of losing face in front of other Thais who get dragged in. Some will, of course, but if that's the case you're going to have a hard time avoiding a scene no matter what, and help might be welcome.

In the case you mention, I'd probably have put a couple hundred baht out, folded my arms, said, "I'm being very fair to you" and simply not responded to her any further beyond repeating that and looking directly at her. Eventually she'd most likely just take the money and go. If not, then I'd have brought up the issue of security. In truth I've had very few times when this was ever an issue, though I've had it happen a bit more with freelancers, who know they can manage to simply never be seen you again. That's actually one reason I like beer bars, as there's a level of recourse and generally a bit more sane behavior. And at a couple of hundred baht for a barfine, it's not expensive.

Skinless

06-15-03, 05:21

JB: I have been in a lot of situations like this. Just open the door even if u r naked and order her out; I prefer to do this naked as it looks like I am madder thann they aremake sure ur dick is at half masta nd let her know this) . Give her maybe 200 bt more if u must "for taxi" and order her to fuck out. You raise ur voice but in an authorative "big daddy is shocked by ur selfishness" mode. I do, however, think the Grace is now expensive. When I last trawled there, the women wanted far too much.
If she doesn't take it, great. Just open the door and ask her to leave. Also, be phoning up security too. U gotta bluff them like she bluffed u. Joe_Zop is right; it remains an eternal learning curve.

But not 4 me. I am going to go to Pi and be nice to Cebu_Local, my new all knowing guru. I prefer the Pi version of the buffalo story.

JB: if u meet Little Lek, world's greatest fuck, say hello from Daddy Skinless. Tell her I am sorry I broke her gold locket and forgot to pay for it or 2 c her later. I can no longer live with myself for fucking her out of my hotel and not paying her (I did leave her sleep thhere for nothing and paid her well for the other nites: 1000 bt long time, days off). And then she stung me for 700 bt of something st in Miami shitheap hotel. Argue today, love tomorrow.
Hye what is she studying, the babe u met in Grace Student hangout? Lek is studying law. She has a Lek tatt and wears "I ma a ****" dresses. But i am sure she changes them b4 lectures.

I wd go 4 Yum in Eden. She was on the door when I got there. Be sure to pack up on V and try to save ur shot so they have to work for the entire 90 minutes. It is fun watching 2 lick u off coz they are afeard uy won't pop b4 the time is up and might not pay them. The anal specialist told Yum in Thai that Skinless doesn't get tired. I popped right on the bell. And paid and tipped them.

I iwll be slowly migtrating away from here 2 the Pi board. Juicey if u r in Luzon and want ur car fixed, gimme a holler.

JuiceSpike

06-15-03, 06:04

JB,

Negotiate the fee upfront. Do not make any concessions and stick to your price. It works. The worst thing you can do is go without an agreed fee and then get suckered in for extra. If you like to tip, then once you agreed on the price tell her that if she is good you will consider giving her a little extra. But she has to earn it. The bottom line is this: fucking for money with these gilrs is easy and they have fun doing it. I don't tip. If I like a girl I will take her number and call her again or give her extra for taxi money.

Skinless,

Good to hear you are changing the scene to PI. Good luck and enjoy.

juice.

Freeler

06-15-03, 18:40

Joe_zop,

'but the words "hotel security" and "Tourist Police" can also have a nice calming effect at times.'

Sure does, the magic Tourist Police telephonenumber 1-6-9-9 (neung-hok-kao-kao) make a lot of would be scammers think again.
TouristPolice have different telephonenumbers in different places. Better say the right one:D.

Gladiator

06-15-03, 23:45

Johnnie,

Rates must be ALWAYS agreed in advance.

This is a universal law which applies to any ho in any country.

It's very unlikely that a Thai ho will break the agreement, but if it happens don't give in, remember that with a freelancer you are in control, they have no protection -no pimp or mafia to resort to-, they're by themselves an no-one will give a shit for them. So if they try to scam you just show them the way out straightaway and don't give a second thought to it.

I've had to do this 3 times in Thailand with 3 spoilt chicks, and I had no further problems. It's true that many of the hos have boyfriends but they play just a parasitic role, they would never go to bother you in defence of a lost cause.

I always have a clear conscience after kicking out misbehaving chicks, as I'm giving them a constructive lesson, I'm teaching them the rules of the game: I'm educating them. Actually, I suppose I should charge them for it!

Dinghy

06-16-03, 04:39

Johnnie - just show her the door - had 1 from Cowboy who wasn't exactly pleased that I only offered 500 after less than enjoyable non-fulfilling session. made it 600 and opened door for her. she left.

gladiator - problem is that unless FL, most rates are "established" meaning "not open 2 negotiation". usually pay for services rendered at "standard" rate. IF they want extra, they will say so up front. kinda hard to after, isn't it?

JohnnieBravo

06-16-03, 06:23

Thanks guys for all your support. Yesterday was a better day. Made my way to the Eden for some of all that hot action I have heard about. I actually could've had a better time, but I had just finished eating at the Landmark Hotel brunch and it was awesome....a good bet for 850baht. Anyway, the Eden experience is pretty much as everyone has described......1600baht per girl, 2 girl minimum. I was surely happy with the service I recieved although climbing all those stairs to get to the top floor room just about wore me out before I got started. The only thing that I could say that I was a little surprised about is that the facilities in this place are pretty primative and not very upscale; however, they managed for the purpose. The girls told me that the owner Marc is a good guy and treats them well, which is good. Tipped each of the girls 200baht. For a really more hardcore workover this place is great. I was so tired that I went back to the hotel and slept from about 2pm and woke up at about 11pm.....nothing good on TV and got kind of restless so I decided to go out by about 2am. The most hopping place that late is the Grace Hotel everyone tells me, so I hopped a taxi and went. There I met up with a girl named Joy.....I had met her a couple of nights before and just talked to her.......she was nice enough to show me and walk me to where I could make a call to the USA. I had held out 20baht afterwards as a thank you but she refused.....I had thought that was a pretty nice gesture giving freely of her time. Anyway......I see her in the Grace hotel lobby last night and we sit down and talk a little. I was still a little tired or at least part of me was from my Eden experience ;-) so I was just going to drink a little and relax and take in some people watching....the Grace is excellent for that. Anyway, Joy is sitting there nicely dressed, she might be just slightly bigger then many guys might find ideal, but myself, I enjoy a little more softness around the curves and her curves were kickin' last night. We talked for a while and I found myself genuinely enjoying her company.....so I asked her how much she wanted.....she told me 1000baht short time....I decided to take her back thinking that it'd be nice to be cuddled up next to her for a while if nothing else. Back at the hotel, my lower half had different plans......please to say that all worked out well....I tipped her 200baht and she seemed happy with that....actually she ended up sleeping for about 4 hours afterwards because by the time we finished it was about 6am. Now I am going to Pattaya to shop and have some suits made....anyone have any recommendations?? I did not book in advance so I am hoping I will still be able to get a decent place just by walking up. My next report will appear on the Pattaya board. Thanks again everyone.

JohnnieBravo

Mr Z

06-16-03, 10:03

Hi JustMe,

A while back you wrote about this girl in BKK. I was wondering if it would be posible for you to share her contacts with me as I'd like to see her. Please drop me a line on jonang@spray.se

MrZ

Phuquer

06-16-03, 14:07

Originally posted by JohnnieBravo
Now I am going to Pattaya to shop and have some suits made....anyone have any recommendations?? I did not book in advance so I am hoping I will still be able to get a decent place just by walking up. My next report will appear on the Pattaya board. Thanks again everyone.

JohnnieBravo
If you are tallking about a decent place to stay, I would recommend Eastiny Place on Soi 8 (6638)427702. It is in the middle of the action, the rooms are clean and pretty nice, and the price is good (I paid 800baht there in Feb). You should be able to get a room there. I just walked in. If you are looking for suits and shopping, I would recommend doing that in Bangkok. To me it seems, the quality of the tailors in Bangkok was far superior than the ones I saw in Pattaya. And, I think you can find far more stores for shopping at MBK than you can in all of Pattaya. Just my opinions. Have a great time.

:) OOPS! Just read your post in the Pattaya board. Didn't realize that you were already at the Eastiny Hotel. Well, I'm glad you are enjoying yourself.

SeattleGman

06-17-03, 13:08

I had an interesting experience this weekend in Bankok. I went to a beer bar at Soi 7. It is simply called "Beer Bar" as far as I can tell. I was having a beer and speaking to a bar girl when a rose ended up in front of me. Thought it was someone trying to sell me a rose. I look across the bar and a girl is waiving at me. She has a bundle of roses soaking in a cup so I knew it was this girl. I didn't know what the heck was going on so I just ignored her. After about a half hour or so, a girl comes up and says that is her friend and wants to meet me. I finish my beer and go over to her. Says her name is Honey and she is just here with her friend and is not a working girl. From what I gather, sounds like she is from a rich family with her chinese dad living in Hong Kong and her mother Thai, but divorced. After chatting with her for a while, I take her back to my hotel. The sex was incredible to say the least (best I had so far). A real screamer. Stayed with me the whole night. In the morning she asks that I pay her something. I give her 1000 baht. She says she only expected 700 baht.

Anyone have a similar experience? Or is this a common routine in Bangkok? I was more than glad to pay her, but it was awkward after she told me that she was not a working girl and her story about coming from a rich family. She was sexy in her own way, but with the competition in this bar, I would probably not have picked her up...but I'm glad that I did.

Joe Zop

06-17-03, 13:56

Yes, this is quite common -- the bars are filled with women who are happy to go with you for a price who say they are not working girls. Lots of freelancers define themselves that way. Keep in mind that working girls are at the rock bottom in terms of social status, so few want to be categorized that way.

She hangs out at a beer bar, pursued you aggressively, slept with you and wanted money for doing so -- that says it all. Be happy you found a good one, and relatively inexpensive at that.

Dfromindy

06-18-03, 03:36

Hi,

I am new to the thailand board but frequent several US boards. Going next month and was curious about peoples opinions on the Landmark hotel and if you were staying there where you would hit around that area, have heard about Eden wondered about close by bars or parlours. Anyone who will be in the area mid July and is looking for someone to meet up with back channel me.

Also anyone who ever needs US info specifically Midwest US then please feel free to email me.

Joe Zop

06-18-03, 04:19

Landmark's a very nice hotel, impossible to miss and located in a great spot, but it's not generally considered girl-friendly, so expect hassles if taking companions to your room. Nana's just around the corner, so you've got tons of options there and nearby, and Eden and the Biergarten are pretty much right across the street, and the bars around Clinton Plaza and Thermae are withing walking distance. It's also right by the Nana BTS stop, so it's a quick hop to Soi Cowboy or Patpong.

Apac Boy

06-18-03, 04:36

for the price of the landmark, i rather go across the street to grand president and get one of them suites with mirrors :p

tapioca

SeattleGman

06-18-03, 05:07

joe_zop

Thanks for your comments on the working vs non-working girls. I was a bit baffled to say the least. It would have an added bonus if she didn't ask for money (I have no problem paying the 100 baht). I'm gonna call her when I go to Bankok again in a couple days. I'm tried of Pattaya so I'm going back to Bankok early. The Pattaya scene is too much for me and there is not much else to do other than party and have sex. I like a mix of sight seeing and sex. My personal opinion is that I found more girls that I liked in Bankok thus far. However, the girls in Pattaya are fun to talk to (and have sex with when you find the right one).

I want to go see a sex show while I'm in Bankok. I'm curious about them so I want to catch one while I am here. I hear that I can see them in Patpong. Do you or others have a recommendation? The ones in Pattaya have been banned according to a local working girl.

Dfromindy

The Landmark from the outside looks very good. I stayed at the Grand President last week and I'm going back there again in a couple days. The Grand President is likely not of the same caliber of the Landmark so keep that in mind. The rooms are clean and the staff is guest/girl friendly. The room I stayed in was a bit warn, but okay. If you will only settle for 4-5 star quality then this place is not for you (it is more like a 2-3). It is about 5 minutes walk from the main road, but very accessible to everything. Not a bad location at all.

SeattleGman

06-18-03, 06:05

Can anyone comment on the market prices of 100mg Viagra? I went to several places in Bankok Nana area and Pattaya and all are asking for the same price. I bought some 100 mg 4 pack in a box when I was in Shenzhen China and it was 200 RMB (less than $25 USD) compared with over $50USD in Thailand. The ones from China were real because they worked great.

Dashing Don

06-18-03, 07:58

I stayed in the Landmark during my February trip and highly recommend it. I took girs back to the hotel at 4pm, 2am, 6am etc and never had as much as a stray glance. In fact, I would prefer if the hotel copied the girl's ID just in case any of them get any opportunistic ideas.
The cost in Feb was 4000 baht per night, about $100. There are lots of stores and several restaurants on different floors. The place is like an upscale, airconditioned, mall. The buffets are also very good.
After a night of mongering I enjoyed using the outdoor pool which I believe is on the ninth floor. Its deep and long enough for laps and catches a nice breeze. All in all, the hotel greatly enhanced the mongering experience for me.
Don

Dfromindy

06-18-03, 21:19

Thanks for all the help I received. During an online chat with the hotel I was asked what nationality the girls would be that would be coming to the room and said Thai and they said NO Thai girls allowed in room. LOL JW Marriot is new place to stay they seem to have no problem with it. Any recs for that area on places to go or is that the same area as the landmark. Also offer still stands on meeting up with people and beer is on me.

Tonyacs

06-20-03, 07:07

Agree with the poster about Grand President as I checked in yesterday and got upgraded to a suite with lounge area for only 1540 baht. Met a girl from Soi Cowboy last nite and she had to be the tightest ever and passionate too. Tiny with strong muscles in the right places. Have been to BKK 15 times in last 3 years and there's less tourist (SARS aftermath) now. Been picking up prime newbies in Soi Cowboy as well as Soi 33. I would say this is a good time to visit BKK.

Mike Holder

06-20-03, 11:00

Hi guys!

I just came from Kuala Lumpur, where it's a big problem to find what you want. But I was very lucky to meet two beauties from Russia. Yesterday went to "Spasso" and found it full of girls of that area. But they are 5/10, rate, exept very few,which were busy. So I'll hunt today again. Does anybody know where to find good quality and europian look, or only good quality? I could share something also. E-mail: holder_m2000@yahoo.com

Khao Rop

06-21-03, 01:38

Originally posted by SeattleGman
Can anyone comment on the market prices of 100mg Viagra? I went to several places in Bankok Nana area and Pattaya and all are asking for the same price. I bought some 100 mg 4 pack in a box when I was in Shenzhen China and it was 200 RMB (less than $25 USD) compared with over $50USD in Thailand. The ones from China were real because they worked great.

If you go to the drug store between Soi 4 and Soi 2 on Sukhumvit you can buy 50mg at THB480 which is about USD11.50. This is the genuine stuff and is closer to your China price.

JohnnieBravo

06-21-03, 07:52

Regarding the Landmark:

I have not stayed there but the look and feel of it is upscale all the way....but alas, is out of JB's budget. The buffet there for 850baht is awesome. Looks like a great place if you are in that price range.

Any show Recommendations???

I am trying to make the most of my final day in BKK anyone have a recommendations of go go bars where they are not all over you the second you walk in the door and will let you sit and drink a little and watch the dancing? Also, where in Patpong can you see a sex show where they will not hassle you so much for tips and lady drinks and of course where they will not rip you off? Will post my about my next BKK experience soon.

Euro Babes.....

In the spirit of variety, it'd be nice to try to monger a Euro lady if possible while I am in BKK. Was wondering where I might find these ladies? There were just very few at the Grace Hotel, but they are always otherwise occupied. Anyone know of where else one might find these ladies in BKK?

Jony Vegas

06-22-03, 00:32

I know this may sound like a silly question to most of you, however, I cannot get a straight answer or find consistent info on any website I visit. I would like to plan my first trip to Thailand in the most idealistic weather conditions.

My questoin is simple. What months of the year is the heat most bareable, the humidity the least and the rain minimal?

Thanks,
Vegas

SexReview

06-22-03, 00:55

Originally posted by Jony Vegas
I know this may sound like a silly question to most of you, however, I cannot get a straight answer or find consistent info on any website I visit. I would like to plan my first trip to Thailand in the most idealistic weather conditions.

My questoin is simple. What months of the year is the heat most bareable, the humidity the least and the rain minimal?

Thanks,
Vegas

Jony,

The answer is very simply for that one. The best weather time of the year is high season Dec-Jan. The down side is this is also when the most people come to Thailand so it is very busy. The girls are making lots of money and get a little picky then.

Right now it is very hot and wet and the girls are hungry for clients. Some nights you will walk by a club at 1:00 am and see 20 girls and no clients. That does not happen in high season.

If you want a balance of good weather and less people, the last two weeks of Oct have always been good. The rains are over, the crowds and prices less, and the weather is not as good as Dec-Jan but not too bad either.

Sexreview

Thai-1-on

06-26-03, 04:59

hi guys,

i just got to bkk and met up with a friend from downunder, he has used a condom with everyone except @ [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900) and now has a bit of a drip. he wanted to know where he could go for an anonomys std test here. i figured this would be a good place to find out.

thanks.

SeattleGman

06-26-03, 06:39

Please comment on prices that I paid in Bangkok. All the girls I took back to my place was from the Beer Garden on Soi 7:

Long Time: 1000 - 1500 baht (some girls asked for 2000 baht, but I did not take them)

Short Time: 800 - 1000 baht

I tried best to preserve the market prices, but one girl (Bee) just made me cave in at 1000 baht for short time. She was stunning and passionate.

I also found that becoming at regular at the Beer Garden worked against me because many of the girls are friends and they share the prices I paid them. A girl
"Lucky" got mad when I didn't pay her the same 1000 baht for short time as Bee. I told her before taking her that I would pay her between 500 - 1000 baht depending on performance. I also found out later that Lucky told Bee that I paid her 1500 baht for short time which as a lie.

Jaimito Cartero

06-26-03, 07:13

I had one Beer Garten girl, paid 600 baht ST. Nok, I believe her name was. Looked fairly young (I definitely checked her ID!), probably 4' 11" or so. Large A cup, a little drunk (I like Wheesky, she said), but performed well, none the less.

I was chatting up another girl at the bar, and she wouldn't budge off of 1000 baht for ST. I took a walk.

I negotiate hard, but also tell them that if they do a good job, they'll get a tip. Almost always 200 or 300 baht.

I found that a lot of the part time street girls are between the Tony Roma and Beer Garten. I sat down, and had 4 or 5 girls approach me. The one I finally took (Chalee), had come by and said, "I like you", and then had gone off. I saw her on Sukhumvit on the way back to the Majestic, and had a quick negotiation (600 baht again), and away we went.

She was probably the best I had in Thailand, other than the double barrel of the Eden girls I had my first night.

Dfromindy

06-26-03, 23:28

My partner and I will be there in mid July and would like to meet others to hang out with from the board, is anyone game? We are both from Midwest USA.

Apac Boy

06-26-03, 23:42

it depends on what type of "partner" ur talking about.

Dfromindy

06-27-03, 04:44

business partner we are just wanting someone to hang out with drink some beer etc.

Traveler Tom

06-27-03, 12:20

Hi Thai-1-on

If U have not found a solution try the Bumrungrad Hospital - 33 Sukhumvit Soi 3 (Nana) - road opposite Nana Hotel

Very professional, discrete, go to the outpatients/Uro. clinic

You can select your own doctor on www.bumrungrad.com!

If things get really bad for your mate they can even do a sex change for him - that should go someway to avoiding a repeat visit!

Good luck

Byeon Kwang Sae

06-28-03, 03:58

the following is a news article that hopefully will not be seen in the bangkok post on about monday, july 7th

- - - dateline, bangkok - - -

powerful simultaneous suicide bomb explosions ripped thru sex tourist hot spots in bangkok over the july 4th weekend. thai police theorize that middle east extremists were targeting americans

according to thai under assistant second chief of police, nookielick booncoon, the remains of at least two americans have been found in the rubble.

in the short time room above “school girls”, police found the remains of the infamous monger, iron worker. “i have never seen anything like it”, said mr. booncoon. “the walls were splashed with blue tainted blood. his viagra consumption must have been astronomical.”

in [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s blow job bar in the soi cowboy area, police found the remains of head hunter, beheaded and deballed by the second of the two powerful explosions. “i have never seen anything like it”, said mr. booncoon. “the infamous bishop was driven through the back of miss nong's head like a soda straw driven by a tornado.”

police special biohazard units arrived to clean up the mess. bomb sniffing dogs were seen sniffing thru the debris, and one large doberman was apparently overwhelmed and gassed to death by the remains of iron worker’s still intact colon. “i have never seen anything like it”, said mr. booncoon. “the intestinal mass just seemed to come to life and it went after the dog like a snake”.

thai police made a futile attempt to keep souvenir hunters and looters at bay. vandals were seen everywhere going thru the rubble. apparently reacting to swiftly spreading rumors, they were hoping to find huge amounts of viagra, thai baht, and trojan size large condoms. “i have never seen anything like it”, said mr. booncoon. “thai people are picking up things that i would not touch without wearing at least two pairs of gloves.”

one souvenir hunter in the soi cowboy area showed reporters an unusual hairy patch of human flesh, which he claimed was the remains of head hunters chin, with the gutter boy goatee still intact. police forensics experts disputed that claim, saying that it looked more like the pubic patch from the mama san that ran the infamous blow job bar.

at nana plaza, the third of three truck bombings was thwarted by fate, when the cambodian-manufactured explosives failed to detonate. an angry crowd of drunken mongers, yaba-buzzed bar girls, beggars, and street urchins set upon the would-be terrorist. “i have never seen anything like it”, said mr. booncoon. “he was severely beaten, and then he was finally asphyxiated when the little flower girl straddled his face and broke wind in a most convincing manner.”

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ok, ok, just my short story for the day. hopefully, life will not imitate art. but, for the record, the warnings are out there, and i am definitely going to be “elsewhere” for the july 4th, 5th, and 6th weekend.

stay vigilant.

bks

SexReview

06-29-03, 22:18

Eden Club has changed the policy in the club on taking of pictures. First off I must say I don’t know why most guys would want to take pictures of the girls because they are not good looking. The girls in the club are more like the average free lancers you find late at night outside of the Nana. But any ways here is the new policy:

“the club will be paid ONLY his regular fee the ladies will get a mandatory tip of 7500b each absolutly NOTHING for the club”

So they now want to be paid 20,000 baht for a session with two girls for 90 minutes. I don’t know about the rest of the members but I wouldn’t pay that much for pictures with all the girls in Eden Club. To charge 15000 baht if a guy just wants to take a picture with the two girls even in clothes. What does Eden Club think this is New York City? This is just another example of ripping off the customer. Eden was know for it’s service but with service like this I hope they close the doors soon.

Byeon Kwang Sae

06-30-03, 08:11

I believe that the issue is the rights of the girls, and the ownership (property rights) of any nude or porno-type photos or videos that a punter might make while with the girls.

According to Marc, taking any regular (non-nude) photos of the girls is still free, with the girls consent, although I personally have always at least offered to tip working girls a little bit extra before taking any photos, nude or clothed.

I believe, from Marc’s point of view, the issue is that he does not want photography taken to the extreme, without compensation, and without the girl’s rights being respected.

For example, if I were to spend 90 minutes with two of the girls, and if I had, for example, a video camera set-up on a tripod in the room, I would in effect be making a porno movie. No harm in that, many of us do it, but who owns the movie then? (the punter does, obviously) What rights do the girls have as to the distribution of that movie? (probably none) Do you think that either still nudes, still porno shots, or porno movies ought to be made for “free”? Maybe I can get away with that with some street girls that I pick-up, but I do not think that any of the clubs, soapies, etc., will allow a porn-style movie or nude photos to be made on their premises.

In my opinion, anything like a porno movie or still nudes has some value, and I suppose that the girls should not have to give away their “acting talents” for free. That is Marc’s point, in my opinion. Allegedly, some of these hot action movies and still shots were being sold to Internet Web Sites.

Below, in his own words, is Marc’s e-mail to me on this issue - -

Hi Xxxxx,
I am not member on WSG
do you mind to post ON MY NAME this answer :
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hi all
we are talking here about sex ( in action ) pictures or videos , not regular pictures ( with clothes )
for people interested by the TRUE story about pictures and videos just read those threads ;
http://www.edenclub-bkk.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000260&p=1
http://www.**********.com/discus/messages/66/90769.html?1056878207
http://www.edenclub-bkk.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=000292&p=1
http://*********.com/cgi-bin/forum/topic.cgi?forum=4&topic=202&start=0
http://board.nanaplaza.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB16&Number=221161&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
just pissed off by all of the guys who did abuse of the FREE SERVICE provided about pictures
( private use ONLY )
AND after that sold to different websites the pictures or videos taken
WHERE ARE THE LADIES RIGHTS ????????
AS SOON AS OUR WEBMASTER IS BACK IN BANGKOK OUR SITE WILL BE UPDATED ABOUT TAKING PICTURES OR VIDEOS
our prices 1600b and 1900b still the same ( more than 3 years now ) for a regular service (no pictures or videos )
take pictures of the ladies ( with clothes ) still FREE
see you
marc
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
I WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU COULD POST MY ANSWER ON THE WSG

SexReview

06-30-03, 15:12

It is because all the boards are talking about this change at the club and what a rip off it is. That is the reson that the policy changes again at Eden Club for the third time in the last day or so. If you read the Eden Club board the owner Mac states he only posts on his board and Bangkok tonight. So why should any member of this board even listen to him. The post here listed back to him would never have even gotten on this site without going through a senoir member. It is clear that the game of overcharging and average looking girls is coming to a end at Eden Club.

Byeon Kwang Sae

06-30-03, 17:05

SexReview, I respect your right to post whatever it is that you are trying to say (???) so long as Jackson tolerates it.

(a.)What is your problem, really? Do you feel like you got some bad Nookie on you at the Eden Club, or did you maybe get caught with a camera, or what?
(b.)Marc is really a pretty cool guy, his club is unique, and the girls are, in my opinion, above average in appearance, and way above average in skills.
(c.)You know what your are getting at Eden – The left side girl is a guaranteed Anal Queen, and the right side girl gives a good BBBJ (some can even deep throat my John Henry) The club provides a unique service, and there is no guessing about the skills or limits of the girls. Surely you can admit that Eden is pretty unique and pretty cool.
(d.)Can you name ~ANY~ fuck-on-premises club, from a high end brothel like Pegasus, to a low-end like Annie’s Soapie, that will allow you to make a fuck movie in the room, at any price? (I cannot think of any, if you can name one, please tell us, and we will all show up there with cameras, lights, and tripods)
(e.)Some of the Eden girls, like the very popular Kook (“Cookie”) have been real pissed when “private” photos (that they consented to at the time) became very un-private when posted on the Internet.
(f.)Marc does a pretty good job, in my opinion, in trying to protect his business, and trying to protect his girls, while still providing a very unique experience that most punters seem to thoroughly enjoy.

Enough, even. Marc’s rules are Marc’s business. If you do not like his rules, then don’t patronize his establishment.

Over and Out,

BKS

Joe Zop

06-30-03, 17:30

This is a tempest in a teapot, really. Ok, basically no filming on premises -- if that's your thing you can certainly find enough TGs in other places who are up for it. (And at times you may need to pay more for it, though not these level of prices.)

Yes, it's too bad that it's not basically impractical to completely indulge your porn star fantasies at Eden by documenting them, but given how far some folks have taken that -- to posting such things on pay sites -- it's not surprising it's come to this.

Let's face it -- the bottom line is that the attraction of Eden is that you get a threesome, with anal if you want it, without having to do any hunting to find willing and reasonably enthusiastic participants. For that you pay a higher than standard rate and settle for less than absolute stunners in most cases. Photos, putting up with or being a fan of Marc, and all the rest are subsidiary issues that generally aren't going to affect someone's decision about whether or not to participate. People who are fans of Eden will continue to go there, and those who aren't will see things like this as reasons not to.

SexReview

06-30-03, 20:10

Originally posted by Byeon Kwang Sae
SexReview, I respect your right to post whatever it is that you are trying to say (???) so long as Jackson tolerates it.

(a.)What is your problem, really?
BKS

To answer your questions

What is your problem, really? Do you feel like you got some bad Nookie on you at the Eden Club, or did you maybe get caught with a camera, or what?

Sexreview- No bad time, no camera problem, my problems with the club are as I have already stated them

Marc is really a pretty cool guy, his club is unique, and the girls are, in my opinion, above average in appearance, and way above average in skills.

Sexreview-The club is not unique at least two others just as good in Bangkok. The girls are only average at best in appearance.

Some of the Eden girls, like the very popular Kook (“Cookie”) have been real pissed when “private” photos (that they consented to at the time) became very un-private when posted on the Internet.

Sexreview-Do you know this for a fact? Did you take the photos? I have read the post on other sites like **********.com and the guys that took the photos and posted them say they were with consent for the internet.

Marc does a pretty good job, in my opinion, in trying to protect his business, and trying to protect his girls, while still providing a very unique experience that most punters seem to thoroughly enjoy.

Sexreview-Marc is not trying to protect the girls Marc treats the girls as bad or worst than most clubs in Bangkok. Marc wants to control all the money, and he is not getting photo money.

Enough, even. Marc’s rules are Marc’s business. If you do not like his rules, then don’t patronize his establishment.

Sexreview- You are right it his business but we don’t have to go there.

McGarah

07-01-03, 04:47

As of 1997:

Sukumvit Rd. Soi? Escapes me now (a good 10 or more sois up from Nana Plaza. There are several very nice bistro type bars with names of French Impressionist painters IE, Degas,
etc. The entire street is first class, especially by Bangkok standards, including a very good Italian resturant.

The girls are the best you will find (next to the private, Japanese only clubs- they get the best and pay for it.)

These girls choose who they will leave with and what happens after that, (much the same as a normal date.) To me, this makes the experience much better, because you have some chemistry or at least friendliness with the girl and you have the knowledge that she wants to fuck you and not that she has to fuck you.

Your date could be anything from just siteseeing, shopping, dinner, and or sex(again if she likes you.) All for a fee of course. But, it is all very much a GFE; as the term has come into popularity. (The Thai people are very friendly and the girls love Western men.) But, be prepared to pay a reasonable price.

The bar fine applys if you take her out of the club during business hours(standard practice in Bangkok.) But, then it's between you and her.

The cost: 1200 baht bar fine and 2000 baht for her. At the time the exchange rate was about 25 baht to $1. A somewhat high price by Thai standards, but cheap by US standards. And my date could work here and compete anytime!

I had a terrific date, by any standard (and I have had the best, I think) Not only great sex, but a lot of laughs with a very cute, well dressed, demure, polite, 27 yro girl. I would most definately see her again and went to see her on a return trip, but she was out of town visiting her family.

Which brings me to another aspect of prostitution in Thailand
(and most of Asia, I hear) that everyone with experience in the area knows. Prostitution among working class, especially rural
girls is very common and accepted. The amount of money these girls make supports there entire family and they often save enough after a few years to return home and start up a business of their own(non-sex). No one thinks any the less of them especially, their families, with the possible exception of conservative buddhist girls and ones from upper class families with money.

Well, I could go on, but enough for now. Post questions and I'll try to answer.

By the way, to the big spender that talked about giving 200-300 baht tip "if they were good". Sorry, but you're an ass and you
make the rest of us look bad. 200 baht is about $5 (on the average, exchange rate wise.) Pussy is like anything else if not more so, "You pay for what you get." And I'm not into raising the price for myself or everybody else. My girl told me what she wanted.

Daring Mood

07-02-03, 00:54

While no doubt we want to put the Eden conversation to bed, a previous message, which I can't find, mentioned there two clubs in BKK that were even better. Was I dreaming?

SexReview

07-02-03, 04:46

Originally posted by Daring Mood
While no doubt we want to put the Eden conversation to bed, a previous message, which I can't find, mentioned there two clubs in BKK that were even better. Was I dreaming? When in Bangkok try Club 1 I think you will be a lot happier than with Eden Club. They don't hide the girls at Club 1, photos and information on the web site. I thought the service was much better than Eden Club.

http://www.numberonebangkok.com/index.html

Flying

07-02-03, 05:02

I will be in BK in Aug and heard the Royal Aisa Lodge was a good place to stay, can someone tell me if this is true or should I look for a different hotel.

Thanks.

Chikan

07-02-03, 05:22

SexReview,
Thanks for the link. I checked out their web-site, but didn't find any details of price etc... What was the deal when you went there? Cost? Service etc... Thanks!

Byeon Kwang Sae

07-02-03, 07:01

Damn, I should have stayed with the high-end escort girls. I ain’t never seen nuthin’ like this.

I was with a buddy in Nana. We watched the shows in Hollywood and in Angel Witch. We decided to BF two from Angel Witch. My bud ended up with a cute Thai-Laotian girl. I was uncertain whom to barfine, but I kept getting hit upon by this cute little unrepentant hussy named “Nin”. (She is a small thing, cute, raspy voice, gap between her front teeth, long hair, easy to recognize, but I did not notice a tag number, tattooed bar code, or embedded microchip identification device, sorry, physical description is the best ID that I can give)

Well, I negotiated the ST rate, paid the BF, and we finally got out of Angel Witch, but not before Nin wasted a good 30 minutes drinking, changing clothes, going back and forth to the mama san, acting silly, going back up on stage fully dressed in street clothes, etc.

Her behavior in the bar should have been my first clue that she was a few bricks shy of a full load, but sometimes I am too forgiving where young cuties are concerned.

We finally got all four of us in a cab. Next thing you know, she is hanging her head out the window, and waving a 20 baht note at a street vendor that came over to the cab and gave her something small and brown in a plastic bag. I was paying little attention at that point.

Well, next, she is giving the cabby directions in Thai – I thought to our hotels, but we seemed to be going the wrong way – then, after a spell, she tells me that we are going to the Disco at the Novotel to dance (?) I finally got that straight, and I explained to her that ST was for some much-needed relief for my beef, not for dancing.

By the time that was straight, we had done a loop the loop driving all over BKK on numerous one-way strets, but we finally circled the town and got back to the Suk.

Then, I saw it - - she had a huge semi-cooked brown cock roach in that little plastic bag that the street vendor had given to her. Nin was tearing off wings and legs and crunching away. Thought I was gonna fucking gag right then.

Well, the Coup-de-Gras for my nausea-index was when she bit the tail off the bug, and sucked down some semi-cooked bug guts.

I damn near puked. As soon as we neared my Soi, I threw the cabby a hundred baht note and bailed out of the cab, leaving Nin to enjoy her Beetle Juice.

Goddamn, I just thought that watching Koreans eat octopus, eel, squid, and dog meat was bad.

Is this bug-eating behavior “normal” for even a slightly wacked-out and perhaps yaba-buzzed TBG? Don’t they have a clue that they should not do this nasty shit in front of a falang client?

BKS