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NicFrenchy

12-29-08, 10:26

Following my misadventure yesterday with a Handjob from Hell see here: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=829697&postcount=2425

I had to do something today... my johnson wasn't bleeding but there was a transparent liquid over the would that that got stuck on my underwear.
What to do?

I had 2 choices:

1. Go to the hospital and see a urologist
2. Go to Boots

I picked the second option. but now, what do I say? "excuse me, My dick hurts" ?

I entered a Boots (Location not disclosed) and unfortunately there was a lady behind the counter (I hoped for a male but...)
I waited until all the customers were gone before clumsily making my way to the counter.

I really did not know how to bring it up to her, in English and she probably saw the discomfort on my face because she gave me a warm smile.

I finally open my mouth and told her "I have wound here" pointing at my private area.
"what kind wound?" she asked keeping a straight professional face.
"eh.. little burn but red" ... "red burn?" she replies, now a little intrigued.

She tells me that she can look or I can go see the doctor. I am a little surprised by that answer and the only thing that I can find to say is "here? now?" she wasted no time pointing towards a door (private back area).

She asks the lady replenishing the counters to mann the desk and Off we go. She stood right behind the door to prevent anyone from entering and I dropped my pants. She took a long good look and asked me to dress up.

Back at the counter she gave me a tube of Fucidin (120 thb) to apply 3 times a day for 7 days. She said that if it does not get better, I have to go see a doctor.

That was it. The lady was very professional and looked at my dick as if it was a wound on a finger. No emotion, just business.

As I left, I did not look back but both ladies probably did gossip about the Farang with his dick burns! Will teach me right for next time... avoid dry handjobs so I won't make an ass of myself @ Boots :D

Thank god I have no Giks at the moment... if it is not enough already to explain to them when the sperm count is low, how can one explain a burn on a dick and inability to have sex for a week?

Member #3200

12-29-08, 19:00

I don't know if to laugh or to cry.

This is a serious post, but I think this is the funniest post I have seen on ISG this year; if not, in the 4 years I've been on this site for

A man of your mongering prowess Nic--a week of no action must be a new non mongering record for you was the counter/dick looker woman worth a future report-hahaha

I feel sorry for the first provider after your injury subsides & you are good 2 go again---clean up aisle five---hahahaha.

Opebo

12-29-08, 21:20

I never could understand why anyone would get a handjob in Thailand, where so much more is available for about the same price or just a little more.

Warbucks

12-29-08, 23:21

I never could understand why anyone would get a handjob in Thailand, where so much more is available for about the same price or just a little more.

A lot of us could never understand a western guy moving to Thailand to teach English for peanuts, slum it and live paycheck to paycheck for no other reason but to bottom feed off of Thailand’s infamous trade but to each his own.

NicFrenchy

12-30-08, 01:04

A lot of us could never understand a western guy moving to Thailand to teach English for peanuts, slum it and live paycheck to paycheck for no other reason but to bottom feed off of Thailand’s infamous trade but to each his own.

And not use condoms... being totally oblivious to STDs

Retired Army

12-30-08, 03:18

I never could understand why anyone would get a handjob in Thailand, where so much more is available for about the same price or just a little more.

Hard to get STDs with a HJ. Maybe he is being careful.

PinkPearl

12-31-08, 13:05

I never could understand why anyone would get a handjob in Thailand, where so much more is available for about the same price or just a little more.I am also scratching my head about it being a dry one.

Young, dumb and full of cum.

Daddy07

01-04-09, 04:06

Sitting comfortably last night on cloud nine, my arms around cute young girls on my right and left, both kissing my face and fondling my dick through my pants while my hands roamed over their soft lovely bodies, I began to seriously contemplate just what it is about Thai working girls that I like the most.

Right then and there it occurred to me – so many of them remind me of the typical school girl next door – the little sweethearts who have aroused the lust of boys and men from the onset of puberty and beyond.

These girls simply do not look like prostitutes. They don’t act like the stereotypical prostitute either. They can dance and gyrate before me completely naked, showing off all the goods, yet still appear somehow pure and innocent as virgins. Mature women 30 years old or more often look and behave like teenagers. Even the plain ones, the 5’s and the 6’s can offer a certain feminine sex appeal which makes them desirable.

My global mongering experience has admittedly been limited, but I can tell you that the working ladies of New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, Miami, New Orleans, and other American venues do not hold a candle to Thai girls. They look and act like prostitutes. They are wh*res and their attitudes are mercenary. The same goes for Canada, Mexico, and the Caribbean islands IMHO. Aside from one memorable GFE at a brothel in Acapulco, my mongering experiences have been disappointing until I discovered Thailand.

Warbucks

01-04-09, 04:23

Aside from one memorable GFE at a brothel in Acapulco, my mongering experiences have been disappointing until I discovered Thailand.

I have no experience mongering in the west back when I was in the west there was a perpetuated myth that only losers hung around prostitutes and that was my mind set. (My have times changed) While I find the Thais ladies to be a bit more mercenary then the Filipinas a lot of them our real sweet hearts as long as all parties stick to the script a lot of them make you forget what they do for living….

Life Is Good.

Angel Eyes

01-09-09, 22:35

I'm going back to Thailand soon, for my 3rd time. Both previous times I've played part in P4P, but this time will be different.

At least one of the 2 months stay, I'm going to be with a Chinese girlfriend (I'm not Chinese). Yes, yes, I know, don't bring a sandwich to a restaurant - but this is a special case, albeit very personal, so I can't share the whole story.

So, these are my questions. I apologize if they've been answered before, so if you know they were and want to post a link instead of explaining again, that would also be welcomed.

1. What are your favorite techniques for managing taking pictures, and or videos (without having to pay a lot more, or any more)?

2. What are your favorite techniques for getting 2 (or more) girls? Both times I've been to Thailand, I've enjoyed the company of only one girl at a time. There's also the "butterfly" silliness. So, how do you do it?

3. I'm a little shy - how would u ask a girl about rimming?

4. Last one: The Chinese girlfriend is straight, but I'm hoping of convincing her to get a Thai girl to join us in bed. Any advice?

Professor10

01-09-09, 23:03

Most "Chinese" women are not used to a 3some - so it will take some time, dialogue, and gifts to convince her to agree to this. Take her to one of the 'tamer' bars and gradually increase to more 'raunchy places'. This may get her 'juices flowing' and when she sees how much fun can be had partaking of 'open sexuality' she may start to change her mind. Also, ply her with alot of liquor and when she is a bit dazed, bring the 3rd party out of the closet and spring it on her (kidding).

Terry Terrier

01-10-09, 21:12

This is my honest opinion and it is the opinion of most of the Thai People I've met outside of Pattaya. So there you have it. Not ridiculous!

Your views may differ and that is fine. Sounds like you have a love for Pattaya and I understand why. I've spent years in Pattaya also, but i've never been delusional about the girls. Again, they are cheap and fun, so that makes it good.

I still back my previous statements and if you show us all how well mannered these immaculate girls who come from good thai families are, I'd be happy to debate it in the "pattaya section" not here. This is racism section.
Are you referring to the Pattaya girls' personal hygene standards? If so, your previous statement on this is odd to say the least: I have never met a Thai with access to running water who does not use this water to clean their self on an almost religious basis. Or maybe you are referring to rates of STI/STD infection? If so, can you provide the area-specific statistics that back your statement? Assuming that you have this backing for your statement, I (with a genuine interest as a former student of statistics at business school) would like to have a look at them to see how the sample groupings were obtained, etc.

Why do you feel qualified to make judgements about Pattaya girls' families? How many of these families have you met? Or are you working on the 'daughter does this so the family must be that' type-of-premise? Or on the premise that the families are poor? Or are you relying on the advice of your Thai friends again?

...and no my statements are not racist in any fashion.
No, but they do come across as quite bigoted, and based on hearsay without any factual backing.

Sanook D

01-11-09, 05:48

I entered a Boots (Location not disclosed) and unfortunately there was a lady behind the counter (I hoped for a male but...)
I waited until all the customers were gone before clumsily making my way to the counter.

I really did not know how to bring it up to her, in English and she probably saw the discomfort on my face because she gave me a warm smile.

I finally open my mouth and told her "I have wound here" pointing at my private area.
"what kind wound?" she asked keeping a straight professional face.
"eh.. little burn but red" ... "red burn?" she replies, now a little intrigued.

You know, there are at least two girls working the counter at my local Boots (Thonglor, J-Avenue) with whom I can imagine having a similar conversation:

I finally open my mouth and told her "I have pain here" pointing at my private area. "what kind pain?" she asked keeping a straight professional face.
"eh.. really swollen, and turning red" ... "Red and swollen?" she replies, now a little intrigued. She tells me that she can look or I can go to Tulip. I am a little surprised by that answer and the only thing that I can find to say is "here? now?" she wasted no time pointing towards a door (private back area).
- - -
Will she be intrigued? Does my local Boots have a "private back area"? I'm off to find out- maybe I'll call my Samoan lawyer first.

Sanook D

01-11-09, 05:51

Are you referring to the Pattaya girls' personal hygene standards? If so, your previous statement on this is odd to say the least: I have never met a Thai with access to running water who does not use this water to clean their self on an almost religious basis. Or maybe you are referring to rates of STI/STD infection? If so, can you provide the area-specific statistics that back your statement? Assuming that you have this backing for your statement, I (with a genuine interest as a former student of statistics at business school) would like to have a look at them to see how the sample groupings were obtained, etc.

C'mon, Terry, the girls in BKK cost more, they must be safer, not to mention more fun! And you said you went to B-school- obviously wasn't a Thai business school.

M P Lurker

01-11-09, 07:36

Are you referring to the Pattaya girls' personal hygene standards? If so, your previous statement on this is odd to say the least: I have never met a Thai with access to running water who does not use this water to clean their self on an almost religious basis.
Most experienced bargirls are very clean, and I also doubt that experienced Pattaya girls would be any different. Occasional cases of slightly smelly pussy come up. Girl may have some problem, e.g thrush.

I find inexperienced or non P4P girls are more likely to be less good at keeping their pussy totally odourless and tasteless, with some even prepared to have oral without showering first, especially after drinking a lot. These girls are also more likely to have a lot of pussy hair (not so trimmed).

On the other hand my last GF would never allow me to start oral on her first thing in the morning before she had gone to wash. This was annoying as she was immaculately clean anyway and need not have worried. But could never persuade her that she fine already.

Sanook D

01-11-09, 08:07

I find inexperienced or non P4P girls are more likely to be less good at keeping their pussy totally odourless and tasteless, with some even prepared to have oral without showering first, especially after drinking a lot.

"Your pussy smells too clean, I knew you were a working girl!" Actually, I have noticed the same thing as Mick points out here.

M P Lurker

01-11-09, 08:28

2. What are your favorite techniques for getting 2 (or more) girls? Both times I've been to Thailand, I've enjoyed the company of only one girl at a time. There's also the "butterfly" silliness. So, how do you do it?

There are places where multiple girls is the norm, e.g. Star of Light, Eden. So getting 2 girls from there is easy.

Taking pics is another matter but some are O.K. with it. I provide masks in case girls do not want full face to be seen, but some girls may not require that. Have to ask. Money talks for some girls. Times are tough now.

I like to get 2 girls from Suzie Wong as I choose girls that do the lesibian show and are clearly very relaxed with each other and usually get fairly close friends that way. Just have to ask which girls are O.K. with naughty sex pics and what are their requirements.
I usually agree to moderately generous ST fees in these cases.

Angel Eyes

01-13-09, 03:31

~~thanks Professor10 for your reply - sounds very sensible.~~

There are places where multiple girls is the norm, e.g. Star of Light, Eden. So getting 2 girls from there is easy.

Taking pics is another matter but some are O.K. with it. I provide masks in case girls do not want full face to be seen, but some girls may not require that. Have to ask. Money talks for some girls. Times are tough now.

I like to get 2 girls from Suzie Wong as I choose girls that do the lesibian show and are clearly very relaxed with each other and usually get fairly close friends that way. Just have to ask which girls are O.K. with naughty sex pics and what are their requirements.
I usually agree to moderately generous ST fees in these cases.

I know of the Eden club, but not of 'Star of Light'. Link/Explanation?

Regarding the masks, that's a turnoff for me - although I probably will not show their faces if I decide to post anything on the web, I do want my recorded memories to include their pretty faces.

Do you have a rule of thumb for how much you add?
Also, ever get 2 (or more) girls long time?

MeatMan

01-14-09, 21:59

~~thanks Professor10 for your reply - sounds very sensible.~~

I know of the Eden club, but not of 'Star of Light'. Link/Explanation?

In regards to SOL, you walk in, you'll sit down, you'll grab a beer, you'll either sit down on the stool or couch where you'll be chatted up by a fairly decent looking girl or 2 who will give you a BJ.....Right there for all to see. No bullshit.

NicFrenchy

01-15-09, 04:23

In regards to SOL, you walk in, you'll sit down, you'll grab a beer, you'll either sit down on the stool or couch where you'll be chatted up by a fairly decent looking girl or 2 who will give you a BJ.....Right there for all to see. No bullshit.

SOL has a backroom (very small but does the job) for the shy guys like me

Angel Eyes

01-15-09, 07:22

In regards to SOL, you walk in, you'll sit down, you'll grab a beer, you'll either sit down on the stool or couch where you'll be chatted up by a fairly decent looking girl or 2 who will give you a BJ.....Right there for all to see. No bullshit.

Interesting. I actually started reading a lot more on the whole MP subject. Haven't made up my mind about it as I'm a LT kind of guy.

So in SOL the norm is BJ by 2 girls at the same time?

Terry Terrier

01-16-09, 11:57

....and quite frankly (based on my own discussions) most Asian guys in the know, consider that Pattaya has the "lowest class p4p hooks in Thailand".....who have no manners, are low class and most importantly "dirty".
Managed to find this:

http://www.phuketgazette.com/dailynews/index.asp?id=6915

Stats are based on diagnosed cases, obviously, but we can only speculate about un-diagnosed cases.

Interesting that Ranong, an area largely ignored by Farangs, has the highest known-about rates of infection.

MeatMan

01-17-09, 19:34

So in SOL the norm is BJ by 2 girls at the same time?

I doubt it is.

NicFrenchy

01-18-09, 04:24

So in SOL the norm is BJ by 2 girls at the same time?

No, SOL usually always start with 1 lady but many ladies will come to watchadn offer to join if you want. If you agree, then you will pay for the additional ladies.

One thing about SOL is that some girls (if they know you) will join without you asking. In that case, you do not pay for her because you did not ask to be serviced by her. She will expect a tip though.

Usually, 2 girls go like this:

Girl 1: 700 to the house
Girl 1 Tip: 300
Girl 2: (if asked) 700 to the house
Girl 2 Tip: 300
Girl 2: (if NOT asked) 0 to the house
Girl 2 Tip: 500

Univ999

01-18-09, 14:31

Dear ISG members,

Long time lurker, 1st time poster. Thanks for all of your contributions to this forum and helping noobs like me figure this place out!

A few months ago, I was in BKK and met a stunning BG that I had a lot of fun with, BF'ed her twice. She was classy. No tatoo's, well-dressed, and behaved smartly when outside the bar. And great in bed. We've stayed in touch here and there through email/SMS.

I'll be back in LOS in March and was thinking about taking her along w/ me to Phuket (not Patong) or Krabi for a weekend. I'm thinking it'd might be nice to have the chill weekend I was planning on, with the added bonus of a sure (and known) thing.

What are the general guidelines for traveling like this? If she knows in advance she won't be working, can she take days off (which would mean I'm off the hook for the BF)? And what is expected of me. Beyond covering hotel, flight, food, etc. When the trip comes to a close? I'd like to assume normal LT fees wouldn't apply, but I know she'd be out her normal weekend income.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts and opinions about this.

NicFrenchy

01-19-09, 03:15

What are the general guidelines for traveling like this? If she knows in advance she won't be working, can she take days off (which would mean I'm off the hook for the BF)? And what is expected of me. Beyond covering hotel, flight, food, etc. When the trip comes to a close? I'd like to assume normal LT fees wouldn't apply, but I know she'd be out her normal weekend income.

You have to be a little careful when dealing with Travel adn Thai Girls:

1. You need to make sure that things really click between you 2 and that you will be happy spending all your time with her

2. Even though she is a prostitute, she will not accept you going around talking adn flirting with other ladies

3. You need to pay her Barfine for all the days you take her out. This is not a regular industry adn these girl don't have Vacation days. You can however bring the price of the Barfine down (her cut of it anyway).

4. For her price, it is better to ask her directly. I think that 2/3k per day should cover it as you are paying for all the rest.

The most important thing to remember is that you are NOT her boyfriend. You are a customer. She will accompany you and give you the services that you purchased (sex, Company..) but all the rest depends of hom comfortable she feels with you. YMMV.

Good Luck

Bob Down

01-19-09, 08:03

You have to be a little careful when dealing with Travel adn Thai Girls:

1. You need to make sure that things really click between you 2 and that you will be happy spending all your time with her

2. Even though she is a prostitute, she will not accept you going around talking adn flirting with other ladies

3. You need to pay her Barfine for all the days you take her out. This is not a regular industry adn these girl don't have Vacation days. You can however bring the price of the Barfine down (her cut of it anyway).

4. For her price, it is better to ask her directly. I think that 2/3k per day should cover it as you are paying for all the rest.

The most important thing to remember is that you are NOT her boyfriend. You are a customer. She will accompany you and give you the services that you purchased (sex, Company..) but all the rest depends of hom comfortable she feels with you. YMMV.

Good Luck

It all depends on the girl and what she is willing to do, I believe most girls get 1 or 2 days a month off anyway. I went to a bar once and asked for a girl but they said it was her day off but someone called her and she came to the bar anyway.

Had a girl asked me for barfine and I said no barfine. She said ok we meet down the road when she finish work.

What if they became sick and had no choice but to spend the weekend in your bed. I guess it all comes down to what the girl is willing to do.

But what is a barfine these days 600 baht? It's not the price of the barfine that matters. As you say it is what she is willing to accept as a fee for her time.

Univ999, How good is your girls English? many girls can not read or write english and have either a friend or someone from the internet cafe reply for them. I even had one girl ask me to read a SMS for her and then had me reply to the guy.

Univ999

01-19-09, 08:14

Thanks Nic,

You definitely cleared this up for me.

Will think on these "best practices" a bit more.

Univ999

01-19-09, 09:15

Univ999, How good is your girls English? many girls can not read or write english and have either a friend or someone from the internet cafe reply for them. I even had one girl ask me to read a SMS for her and then had me reply to the guy.Hi Bob,

Her English is pretty decent. She's had some college and worked for a bank for a few years before moving on to the bar last summer. Not from a farm background and never hassled me for anything, never acted like a typical BG in the 2 nights I took her LT. (I'd say I've had 6-7 P4P experiences in BKK/Pats as a baseline).

Fon Tok

01-19-09, 09:33

You have to be a little careful when dealing with Travel adn Thai Girls:

1. You need to make sure that things really click between you 2 and that you will be happy spending all your time with her
2. ...
3. ...
4. For her price, it is better to ask her directly. I think that 2/3k per day should cover it as you are paying for all the rest.

The most important thing to remember is that you are NOT her boyfriend. (emphasis added) You are a customer. She will accompany you and give you the services that you purchased (sex, Company..) but all the rest depends of hom comfortable she feels with you. YMMV. Good Luck
Nic, all very good advice. I am currently on an extended holiday (Viet Nam & Cambodia) with a bar girl who caught my fancy awhile back and many of your points resonate with my current experience.

I spent a lot of time (weeks) with her in Bangkok before even considering inviting her on this trip. Even with this time between us, there have been surprises. Time on her home turf in Bangkok is not the same as time on the road. I think your rule of thumb for payment is accurate. A couple more suggestions:

> Finding a Thai restaurant if possible and ordering the food pet mak is a good idea and seems to quickly fix her occasional bad mood!

> Not talking about "the future" as you would with a girlfriend, or other about women, is another good idea. This never leads to anything positive. Just go with the flow, i.e., eat, play, sleep, play, swim,...eat, play, sleep, etc.

All that said, unless one is totally detached emotionally, it is hard to not become somewhat attached after a nice travel experience with a friendly Thai woman (working or otherwise). Just human nature for some, I think.

Neil Flanders

01-19-09, 11:46

Hello,

I am planning my second trip to BKK. I was there for the first during the last holiday season. At that time, I met this very nice girl from a soapy.

For my second trip, I would like to take this girl out of the parlour and spend something like a entire week with her.

I know some of you are going to say I'm nuts, that it is stupid to stick with one girl in BKK. I kind of agree with that but let me tell you my story.

Before my first visit I had planned an intensive sex schedule, I was hoping to taste every girl from every part of the city.

Once I arrived in BKK, I had a few sessions with BGs that were so-so, but good compared to anything you can get home paying for sex.

After these few mediocre experiences I decided to try a soapy, from everything I had read in the forum, it seemed like good entertainment.

So I went to a parlour that had been recommended to me and met this girl, she really was just mind-blowing.

Then, I could not help going to the shop everyday.

I tryed to convince myself, I should go and taste other girls, but I was always coming back to her.

I guess this is typical newbie stuff, but it fucked me up quite a bit.

It was like I was a teenager again. Now all I want is to go back to BKK.

During our sessions, my girl said a few times, that next time I come to Thailand we should take some time to go out of the parlour, maybe even go to the beach.

She told me that I would have to email her before and not show up at the parlour, so the management of the parlour would not know she is away because of me.

So I am very tempted to go back but I have one question for you guys.

What kind of financial agreement should I make with her for that week off?
Does she has to pay something to the parlour?

I'm not a cheap charlie, but I am reluctant to the idea of paying her.

The main reason is that I believe our story has turned into more than just a P4P encounter. I would be glad to take her to a five stars hotel at the beach and buy her gifts but paying would seem difficult to me now, not like it was when I was going to the parlour.

Maybe it is my western way to deal with girls, which makes no sense in Thailand.

I must add, that we are both the same age (25), not overweight and good looking. This is not to sound cocky, but to say that I am probably proper BF material for her.

Thanks in advance,

Neil Flanders

Fon Tok

01-19-09, 21:20

Hello,I am planning my second trip to BKK. I was there for the first during the last holiday season. At that time, I met this very nice girl from a soapy...I'm not a cheap charlie, but I am reluctant to the idea of paying her...Maybe it is my western way to deal with girls, which makes no sense in Thailand...This is not to sound cocky, but to say that I am probably proper BF material for her.Sure, she likes you, handsum man! She screws old men for a living. But you still have to pay.

You must recalibrate your Western thinking or she will not go anywhere with you. If she becomes your proper girlfriend (!) you pay a lot more than at the soapie. Look at it this way, at least you don't have to tip the papasan!

I'd shop around a bit before taking a P4P woman as a GF. Maybe 10 more trips to the LOS. Try the internet. Lots of "nice" girls. But you still have to pay unless it is just platonic.

Neil Flanders

01-19-09, 22:51

Sure, she likes you, handsum man! She screws old men for a living. But you still have to pay.

You must recalibrate your Western thinking or she will not go anywhere with you. If she becomes your proper girlfriend (!) you pay a lot more than at the soapie. Look at it this way, at least you don't have to tip the papasan!

I'd shop around a bit before taking a P4P woman as a GF. Maybe 10 more trips to the LOS. Try the internet. Lots of "nice" girls. But you still have to pay unless it is just platonic.Thanks for the reality check Fon Tok!

I need to clarify a few things from my previous post though:

-I am not planning to turn this soapy girl into my GF. I can sometimes be stupid, but I can understand this would never work. It would be way too difficult: for her in BKK, and for me in my own country.

I only would like to take her out of the soapy for about a week.

-I thought giving her a nice lifestyle: to take her shopping, dining and go out at places she cannot normally go to would be enough of a compensation for not working and earning money at the soapy.

-If you do not think that is fair compensation, how much cash should I give her on a daily basis?

(Aparently the soapies are going very slow right now, so she must not be making a fortune at her MP)

And you are right about the fact that I should try as many birds Thailand has to offer. I guess, my behaviour is a bit irrational. I think I am too schmaltzy for this P4P game.

Angel Eyes

01-20-09, 18:24

Thanks for the reality check Fon Tok!

I need to clarify a few things from my previous post though:

-I am not planning to turn this soapy girl into my GF. I can sometimes be stupid, but I can understand this would never work. It would be way too difficult: for her in BKK, and for me in my own country.

I only would like to take her out of the soapy for about a week.

-I thought giving her a nice lifestyle: to take her shopping, dining and go out at places she cannot normally go to would be enough of a compensation for not working and earning money at the soapy.

-If you do not think that is fair compensation, how much cash should I give her on a daily basis?

(Aparently the soapies are going very slow right now, so she must not be making a fortune at her MP)

And you are right about the fact that I should try as many birds Thailand has to offer. I guess, my behaviour is a bit irrational. I think I am too schmaltzy for this P4P game.

I don't think you're being THAT irrational, Neil.
I do think you should try some other MP girls, as you might find she isn't the greatest ;)

It's fine to take her out and spend a week with her - if you enjoy her company, not just the sex. And make sure you keep feelings out of it. I'm not the only one, you should know by now, that can tell u from experience that that is probably a bad idea.

M P Lurker

01-20-09, 19:44

I only would like to take her out of the soapy for about a week.

-I thought giving her a nice lifestyle: to take her shopping, dining and go out at places she cannot normally go to would be enough of a compensation for not working and earning money at the soapy.

-If you do not think that is fair compensation, how much cash should I give her on a daily basis?

Girls are working in Soapies because they NEED to make money. Its not just for fun.

If you want tyo take her out of there for a week, you need to compensate for lost earnings and loss of her monthly bonus which might be 5K.
What her lost earnings would be varies greatly depending on the girl and how busy she normally is.
You need to discuss with her how much she needs per day.
I have done this many years ago. It probably will not work out very cheap. Its cheaper to visit her every day at work, but that's not what you had in mind.

I don't say its a bad idea. It can be great to have a fun week away with a hot, pretty girl as long as you both enjoy each other's company. But remember its only for the week. It means nothing for the future.

Another option is for her to come to sleep with you each night after work. This will cost you a lot less and is an option to try but you need to be aware that she would come to you tired and not ready for sex most likely.

Lots of sleep is important to Soapy girls.

Watch out for the girl soon wanting a monthly salary, every month, whether you are there or not. Thats when you will never have any hope of getting value for money. Its known that some soapy girls are also getting monthly salaries from "boy friends" in addition to their soapy work.

P.S. I have two favourite Soapy girls that are both very pretty and good in bed. I would easily do take out for the night or two. But I am realistic enough to know that neither would make a suitable GF for me. Their characters are not likely to be a perfect match to me. That doesn't mean a match is impossible. It would take a long time to get to know her true character. See what she is like drunk is very important. Hidden things come out.

Above all, go slowly!

M P Lurker

01-20-09, 20:06

Managed to find this:

http://www.phuketgazette.com/dailynews/index.asp?id=6915

Stats are based on diagnosed cases, obviously, but we can only speculate about un-diagnosed cases.

Interesting that Ranong, an area largely ignored by Farangs, has the highest known-about rates of infection.
Ranong probably has lots of very low class P4P girls, possibly including sex slave types, for lower class Thai men who don't use condoms.

Retired Army

01-21-09, 01:31

Ranong probably has lots of very low class P4P girls, possibly including sex slave types, for lower class Thai men who don't use condoms.

Are you talking about Ranong down south by the Burma border or Rayong which is close to Pattaya?

Dardo

01-21-09, 04:32

I must add, that we are both the same age (25), not overweight and good looking. This is not to sound cocky, but to say that I am probably proper BF material for her.After 3 months living at Thailand, I'm still making my mind around thai girls (working at bar girls & mp). So maybe my advice is not very good.

I would advice to not go with her if you have to give her money, that's all. As long as you have to pay for her time, I would consider her attention just like a another service you pay for, nothing more or less.

Good luck, it's not easy to deal with these things. I've been going through this myself.

M P Lurker

01-21-09, 07:13

Are you talking about Ranong down south by the Burma border or Rayong which is close to Pattaya?
Assume we spelled it correctly.

Opebo

01-21-09, 10:09

Ranong probably has lots of very low class P4P girls, possibly including sex slave types, for lower class Thai men who don't use condoms.

Every illegal alien type brothel I have visited (and I have visited many in this 300-600 baht range) has had very strict condom-usage policies, just like all Thai-oriented establishments. I think it is a great misconception that lower-class Thais, or Thais in general, are less likely to use condoms than foreign sex-tourists.

One factor to keep in mind is that while few of us superannuated farangs can even get it up (much less attain orgasm) with a condom applied, most Thais are extremely potent - like an American teenager - so a condom is at most a minor inconvenience for them.

Italy 1974

01-21-09, 12:38

Every illegal alien type brothel I have visited (and I have visited many in this 300-600 baht range) has had very strict condom-usage policies, just like all Thai-oriented establishments. I think it is a great misconception that lower-class Thais, or Thais in general, are less likely to use condoms than foreign sex-tourists.

One factor to keep in mind is that while few of us superannuated farangs can even get it up (much less attain orgasm) with a condom applied, most Thais are extremely potent - like an American teenager - so a condom is at most a minor inconvenience for them.I agree: safe sex is more common among Thais than we should expect.

Still I do not understand what a farang can find in a low-class thai-only-oriented brothel.

Italy 1974

M P Lurker

01-21-09, 18:45

Opebo

01-21-09, 20:09

I don't believe there is any misconception once we count guys like yourself out of the equation.

Talk to the girls, you'll hear that 'most' farangs don't want a condom. Certainly the elderly and decrepit chaps who come and take girls 'long time' are in general not wearing them. Most of these gents are so tickled to get a younger attractive woman they're not the least bit concerned about risk (a realistic attitude for anyone who is old already).

By contrast the Thais absolutely despise prostitutes due to the girls' lower class origins and loss of status. They are in a sense socially predisposed to think of the girls as 'dirty', and thus are quite committed to condom use - more out of prejudice than reason.

I've always noticed that when in Thai oriented joints it is very, very difficult to persuade girls to go bareback, while when dealing with girls who are used to farang, about half the time they hop on bare without even being asked. It simply what they're used to.

Still I do not understand what a farang can find in a low-class thai-only-oriented brothel.

Affordable sex, obviously, '74. I will admit that service is abominable in such places, of course.

M P Lurker

01-22-09, 08:31

Talk to the girls, you'll hear that 'most' farangs don't want a condom. Certainly the elderly and decrepit chaps who come and take girls 'long time' are in general not wearing them. Most of these gents are so tickled to get a younger attractive woman they're not the least bit concerned about risk (a realistic attitude for anyone who is old already).

By contrast the Thais absolutely despise prostitutes due to the girls' lower class origins and loss of status. They are in a sense socially predisposed to think of the girls as 'dirty', and thus are quite committed to condom use - more out of prejudice than reason.

I've always noticed that when in Thai oriented joints it is very, very difficult to persuade girls to go bareback, while when dealing with girls who are used to farang, about half the time they hop on bare without even being asked. It simply what they're used to.

Well I must bow to your superior knowledge of low class brothels. Have you been to any where girls are virtually sex slaves, i.e. not allowed to leave.

My understanding is that when Thai men go with casual Thai girls, condoms are not commonly used. In MPs Thai men may not ask for no condom if they know they will normally be refused. Talking to girls, I do not get the impression that most Farangs don't want to use one. We are not all crazy or on death's door already.

Here are articles talking about sex slaves in Ranong.
http://www.popline.org/docs/1008/074827.html
http://www.un.org/events/10thcongress/2098.htm

Carmex

01-22-09, 09:13

have you been to any where girls are virtually sex slaves, i.e. not allowed to leave.

according to this girl everyone in bkk is a sex slave.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?article_id=26296

thought the part about comparing sex slaves to elephants was hysterical. ummmmm, yeaaa, elephants. okeay.

on a different note or tone, my personal thought is i would like to take out any f'in pimps and mamas that con these girls into coercion and forced servitude. sexual trafficking includes coercing a migrant into a sexual act as a condition of allowing or arranging the migration. sexual trafficking uses physical coercion, deception and bondage incurred through forced debt.

trafficked women are often promised work in the domestic or service industry, but instead are usually taken to brothels where their passports and other identification papers are confirep001ed. they may be beaten or locked up and promised their freedom only after earning – through prostitution – their purchase price, as well as their travel and visa costs. happens in korea and japan all the time.

i do not, however, have a problem with any fl or bg or "student" who works due to the economy. they have a choice whom they go with and when.

my two baht.

Opebo

01-22-09, 11:40

Well I must bow to your superior knowledge of low class brothels. Have you been to any where girls are virtually sex slaves, i.e. not allowed to leave.

No, of course not - such things do not exist. They are a myth propagated by the forces of social control. Naturally illegal aliens cannot go wandering around the city; however this stricture is imposed by the usual source - the government, and not by any 'sexual slaver'.

Again, keep in mind that tales of that sort are just propaganda used by the do-gooders to whip up the normals against we sexual freedom-fighters. If you think about it, the idea of 'sexual slavery' is nonsensical - why would any businessman go to all the trouble of 'slaving' when he has lots of eager applicants for the relatively well-paid position of prostitute.

Prudes believe that having sex is the worst thing that can happen to any woman, and that no woman would voluntarily submit to the atrocious miseries of sexual intercourse for a mere three or four times what she would earn in a non-sexual job. No, to the prude the only reasonable payment for the woman submitting to the horrible imposition of a penis is the complete abnegation of the male.

My understanding is that when Thai men go with casual Thai girls, condoms are not commonly used. In MPs Thai men may not ask for no condom if they know they will normally be refused.

Well obviously no one uses condoms with ordinary pick-ups or casual affairs, Mick, anywhere in the world. Do they?

NicFrenchy

01-23-09, 02:53

Well obviously no one uses condoms with ordinary pick-ups or casual affairs, Mick, anywhere in the world. Do they?

I do, but maybe I'm stupid.

Member #3428

01-23-09, 03:31

Well obviously no one uses condoms with ordinary pick-ups or casual affairs, Mick, anywhere in the world. Do they?

FWIW... I've noticed a recent trend that if you stay with a girl for a while she is willing to not use condoms. And unfortunately by that I mean if you pull a girl for two days straight the girls seem to figure its OK to go without a condom.

And from what the girls tell me the customers ask if they get tested and if their blood is clean and if the girl says yes then most of them do not think they have to use a condom. "Joe the Monger" from Des Moines is in BKK for a conference and before you know it he is on his second shot of the night and he leaves his rain coat on the night stand thinking the girl looks so healthy she can't have disease.

From my experiences in the past it would take a while being with a girl for her to think about going without a condom. But currently there seems to be a large increase in both customers and working girls who think on the second or third day knowing them that it is safe to go without a condom.

And I'll admit with three girls in the last three years I've gone without a condom and I worried and still worry about this. Just hope I don't turn into a statistic some day....

M P Lurker

01-24-09, 12:25

No, of course not - such things do not exist. They are a myth propagated by the forces of social control. Naturally illegal aliens cannot go wandering around the city; however this stricture is imposed by the usual source - the government, and not by any 'sexual slaver'.

Nothing exists if you put the blinkers on.
I have seem documentaries including interviews with the girls which I do not believe were totally staged.
In my own country I have actually met the girls whose passports were taken away and were not allowed to go out unsupervised by the "slavers".
Some of the those guys got imprisoned for tax evasion in the end as laws were inadequate to deal with their true crimes.

M P Lurker

01-24-09, 12:39

And I'll admit with three girls in the last three years I've gone without a condom and I worried and still worry about this. Just hope I don't turn into a statistic some day....

Sometime guys doing this will get unlucky someday. Its not just HIV either. If you have a GF or wife, you really don't want to be giving her Chlamydia either. Its very easily caught and doesn't do wonders for the relationship.
This is why anti-biotic self dosing becomes an important ocassional option.

My ex-GF was sensible enough to get us both tested for HIV and other stuff first.

Once she started to think I was playing up, the condoms were required again. I always used condoms while playing up but she couldn't be sure. Of course I couldn't be 100% sure about her either, but expected she would use condoms if playing up.

Member #3428

01-24-09, 13:18

Sometime guys doing this will get unlucky someday. Its not just HIV either. If you have a GF or wife, you really don't want to be giving her Chlamydia either. Its very easily caught and doesn't do wonders for the relationship.
This is why anti-biotic self dosing becomes an important ocassional option.

My ex-GF was sensible enough to get us both tested for HIV and other stuff first.

Once she started to think I was playing up, the condoms were required again. I always used condoms while playing up but she couldn't be sure. Of course I couldn't be 100% sure about her either, but expected she would use condoms if playing up.

Yup. of course the TGF and I had our tests done and I usually go on an antibiotic and do some washes as well, not only for chlamydia but normal sicknesses as well. Don't want to waste half my time being sick.

And luckily most of these three were before the current MRS...

Opebo

01-24-09, 14:18

ML, you are credulous. You will believe women? And particularly when they are being interviewed by religious do-gooders? "The buffalo died and the mean man took my passport, and they made me suck dick! I thought I was going to make 60,000 baht a month as a waitress..."

Retired Army

01-24-09, 16:10

This is why anti-biotic self dosing becomes an important ocassional option.

My ex-GF was sensible enough to get us both tested for HIV and other stuff first.

Anyone in the medical community care to comment on self dosing with antibotics? The Thai medical community seems to have a different protocol than the West.

Piper1

01-30-09, 13:27

Imlonely67

01-30-09, 14:33

Since this is the advice thread, please help! I spent a few nights with this girl over a year ago, and was sending her $200 every month so she saved herself only for me, but I stopped last month. She still keeps calling me every week. Now she is asking for money for her water-buffalo's heart operation. Should I still sponsor her? She is kinda special.Dear brother Piper1,

I hope you are not offended by my direct comment. I admire to many brothers who behave as a gentleman by sending money to their "Thai girlfriend" in Thailand while the gentleman is in their own contry oversea. I have seen many "Thai girlfriend" verbally reserve herself for the "farang" boyfriend with many promises "I LOVE U" & "I MISS U ALOT" but at the back she will open another door with another man. You are not the first one who got cheated by this "Thai girlfriend" that I've seen and known. I have book a lady before and half way having sex, the "boy friend" called and my sex game stop, the girl sweet talk with the "boy friend" and says she miss him and love him alot. Then she said family problem and needed money badly. When I asked who she talk with, she said her mother. I really respect the "Thai girl" because they are such a good liar. But I understand them because in this world there are many "gentleman" who is willing to send money for them to spend. Do you know that some girl willing to sell her body just to take care of their Thai boyfriend? Wake up from this dream man. Sorry for being so direct.

Phoenix949

01-30-09, 16:54

I think you want proof if the people here are alert for such jokes.

As I think you already mongering long time in this country so you know that it is a game of the thai-ladies.

Have you ever heard that there is a new desease with grand-papa, friend of mine get told that the grand-papa of his girlfriend get newly cancer of the womb!

Be more aware of such tricks.

Great mongering anyway

Phoenix949

Sammon

01-30-09, 17:03

1. Is she a bargirl or normal girl?
If she is a bargirl do not bother. Bargirls are after money and will try
to get more money whenever possible.
If she is a regular girl, Are you planning to keep her for a long time
by supporting her? If so you should continue. Regular girls tend to be monogamous if they know you are a regular.

2. Is she good at sex only or good at being a companion all the time.
If it is sex only you will get tired of her sooner or later. So no need to support. Thailand is full of abundant willing women.

3. Nothing beats a beautifull girl meeting you at airport and being a good company and also good at sex. And also there is no need to wear rubbers which in my opinion kills the mood. If she is keep her.

I had a GF with a good job in BKK. I had taken her on many vacations. She was good to me in all aspects. I am not the type to send money monthly and she never asked. But whenever I went to meet her I would take lots of gifts and would take care of all the expenses and would give some money when I was leaving. It is like a GFE . It lasted three years because I got tired of seeing her and wanted to enjoy myself. She was heartbroken but since I never gave her the ompression I will marry her it was easy to get away. I still call her sometimes but never saw her.

Piper1

01-30-09, 17:22

1. Is she a bargirl or normal girl? She's a normal bargirl. Can't you tell by the photo?
2. Is she good at sex only or good at being a companion all the time.She's only good at sex. Can't you tell by the photo?
3. Nothing beats a beautifull girl True. Can't you tell by the photo?

Thanks for the advice! :)

Daddy07

01-30-09, 17:35

Giotto

01-30-09, 18:24

... Can't you tell by the photo? ... Can't you tell by the photo? ... Can't you tell by the photo? Pipeman,

You are a B[E]ASTARD :) !

Giotto

PS: What the hell is a normal bargirl :) ? Hmmm, wait, I remember her, it's Island Girl, right :D ?

1Ball

01-30-09, 18:34

Piper1, if I were you, I would serioulsy consider what Sammon is saying. He had a TGF for a few years, so he speaks from experience.

But regardless, I googled water buffalo heart operations, and they are quite pricey, so you might want to make sure that she is still keeping herself for you exclusively, coz this is going to cost you a pretty penny.

Good luck, and let us know how the heart transplant works out.

If you don't want her anymore, can you PM me her details, she is hot hot hot.

Giotto

01-30-09, 18:46

...
But regardless, I googled water buffalo heart operations, and they are quite pricey ...
... I don't buy this buffalo story, I met her last week for some private hours, and she asked me for money, too - the motorbike of her brother needs a new hybrid engine. That's the truth!

Giotto

1Ball

01-30-09, 19:04

... I don't buy this buffalo story, I met her last week for some private hours, and she asked me for money, too - the motorbike of her brother needs a new hybrid engine. That's the truth!
Giotto
Damn, Giotto, now I am pissed. You and Piper always score the Smok'n hot babes, and NEVER share them with your friends.

How do I get a cute girl like that, so I can send her money too?

Giotto

01-30-09, 19:27

...
How do I get a cute girl like that, so I can send her money too?Mr. VP,

I will send you the mobile- and bank account number of Auntie Guido :) !

Giotto

Member #3428

01-31-09, 00:37

Mr. VP,

I will send you the mobile- and bank account number of Auntie Guido :) !

Giotto

Hell maybe Auntie has the right idea... it might solve a lot of friggin problems and headaches... unfortunately I can't swing that way :(

Piper1

02-02-09, 06:02

Thanks guys. Turned out that my girl's buffalo only had stomach cramps (that time of the month. He was a moody buffalo for a week), so I only had to send $450 for muscle relaxants, flowers, and some red wine. All is okay for now. Whew!

Member #3428

02-02-09, 06:07

Thanks guys. Turned out that my girl's buffalo only had stomach cramps (that time of the month he was a moody buffalo for a week), so I only had to send $450 for muscle relaxants, flowers, and some red wine. All is okay for now.

Great News !!! You got away cheap, only 450... I almost sent you the name of the doctor my TGF used to bill direct to me. ;)

MeatMan

02-19-09, 15:19

I know the subject has been brought up a trillion times, but give it a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vxz_LPVt34

MeatMan

02-19-09, 15:27

SOL has a backroom (very small but does the job) for the shy guys like me

I've been back there. Kinda embarassing when other girls are walking back and forth through there giving a crooked smile.

Dardo

02-25-09, 22:10

After my last personal experience with a bar girl, I thought it would be interesting to share it.

Knew here a few months ago, weirdly enough first night with her she had the period and didn't want to have sex, and I thought she was a lady boy trying trick me. Lately it resulted she was a real girl and with a very hot body.

After some more meetings it soon became clear that she liked me very much, so after some time when I was clear from other girls decided to give this girl more time.

Just after the first night (I offered her very little money to come and just fun, but we ended having sex.) she insisted in going with living with me. At first she asked for a monthly payment but when I refused, telling her I knowed her very little, she just asked me to pay 7K baths so she could stop working at the girl bar.

I kept telling her I knowed her too little.

Next week, after visiting her several times at the bar, we enjoyed two more days together. She looked like she really liked me, and gave me for the first time a kiss that I read somewhere in this forum thai girls only give to men they like. Soft kiss and smelling you, quite wierd really.

Again she insisted in coming to live with me. And I kept telling her I wanted to know her better and spent for some time my free days with her before doing something else.

After this I visited her twice, and asked her again to spend two more days together, she showed very happy for this. But just when I went to get her at the bar the next day she told me she has a boyfriend and is not going long term anymore.

Is really annoying how these girls just can't stay in the middle. They can spend a few nights with you, but after that if you don't promise them eternal love and get them to live with you, it seems they can't keep with the relationship.

I guess they work at the bar girls, but at the same time they have very conservative ways of thought. Something that creates very contradictory situations.

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Luckily for me the financial damage was even below of what I spend weekly on girls.

Also, it's curious how the girls can go with you really cheap when they like you and don't accept your money when they stop liking you. Preventing you from spending too much money long term as long as you enjoy playing loving games. (Because I'm losing any hope of having a relationship who last more than 15 days.)

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Duniawala

02-26-09, 16:56

After my last personal experience with a bar girl, I thought it would be interesting to share it.
................................................Also, it's curious how the girls can go with you really cheap when they like you and don't accept your money when they stop liking you. Preventing you from spending too much money long term as long as you enjoy playing loving games. (Because I'm losing any hope of having a relationship who last more than 15 days.)

No offense, Dardo, but what planet are you on? Did you really expect having a relationship with a working girl by being cheap? She is a working for the precise reason of earning money. She offered to move in with you for cheap and you refused. What a bright idea.

If you want to find a relationship (with a working girl) remember that they need money to have a relationship with you. Being a Cheap Charlie and playing hard to get never works.

Dardo

02-27-09, 12:20

No offense, Dardo, but what planet are you on? Did you really expect having a relationship with a working girl by being cheap? She is a working for the precise reason of earning money. She offered to move in with you for cheap and you refused. What a bright idea.

If you want to find a relationship (with a working girl) remember that they need money to have a relationship with you. Being a Cheap Charlie and playing hard to get never works.It wasn't about being cheap, but about giving little money and see if she likes you enough to stick around.

As a side note: After all I decided to help her, finished her bar and I'm taking her to my country. But being aware that the relationship may or may not work. Let's see what happens.

Run Mann

02-28-09, 03:41

As a side note: After all I decided to help her, finished her bar and I'm taking her to my country. But being aware that the relationship may or may not work. Let's see what happens.

Good luck!

Imlonely67

02-28-09, 14:33

After my last personal experience with a bar girl, I thought it would be interesting to share it.

Knew here a few months ago, weirdly enough first night with her she had the period and didn't want to have sex, and I thought she was a lady boy trying trick me. Lately it resulted she was a real girl and with a very hot body.

After some more meetings it soon became clear that she liked me very much, so after some time when I was clear from other girls decided to give this girl more time.

Just after the first night (I offered her very little money to come and just fun, but we ended having sex.) she insisted in going with living with me. At first she asked for a monthly payment but when I refused, telling her I knowed her very little, she just asked me to pay 7K baths so she could stop working at the girl bar.

I kept telling her I knowed her too little.

Next week, after visiting her several times at the bar, we enjoyed two more days together. She looked like she really liked me, and gave me for the first time a kiss that I read somewhere in this forum thai girls only give to men they like. Soft kiss and smelling you, quite wierd really.

Again she insisted in coming to live with me. And I kept telling her I wanted to know her better and spent for some time my free days with her before doing something else.

After this I visited her twice, and asked her again to spend two more days together, she showed very happy for this. But just when I went to get her at the bar the next day she told me she has a boyfriend and is not going long term anymore.

Is really annoying how these girls just can't stay in the middle. They can spend a few nights with you, but after that if you don't promise them eternal love and get them to live with you, it seems they can't keep with the relationship.

I guess they work at the bar girls, but at the same time they have very conservative ways of thought. Something that creates very contradictory situations.Luckily for me the financial damage was even below of what I spend weekly on girls.

Also, it's curious how the girls can go with you really cheap when they like you and don't accept your money when they stop liking you. Preventing you from spending too much money long term as long as you enjoy playing loving games. (Because I'm losing any hope of having a relationship who last more than 15 days.)

From my experience, "bar girl or working girl" don't have real love to share with you. What they want is your money, end of story. Some will tell you about their problem back home and hope you pity them and gave them some monthly expenses, some will tell you they love you so much but when the guy return to home country then the girl will open her back door to be with another man and the event will start and repeat with many man until one day she get caught then she just break off with you. That's it. If you really interested to find a good thai girl friend then you have to spend time to know the thai girl who are not a bar girl or working girl (pros). Maybe try some penpal webite but of course it takes time. I known a girl penpal from thailand and we become good friend but she also known a Canadian guy and after afew years of friendship they got married. I am happy for them and I always keep in touch with them. I still looking for one but my fate i not here yet. Hahaha LOL :))

Dardo

02-28-09, 15:21

Billybob69

02-28-09, 23:00

I know the subject has been brought up a trillion times, but give it a look.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vxz_LPVt34Thanks the post MeatMan.

It is taken from a UK (Channel 4) documentary entitled "My boyfriend, the Sex Tourist" that was first aired in January 2008. It couldn't have come at a better time for me, as it was aired just before I flew out to Thailand for the first time.

It gave a good insight into the Thai bargirl mentality. So probably saved me a whole load of baht and even more heart ache!

The documentary was slightly misleading, as it was supposed to be about Isaam girls that go to Bangkok, but some of it was filmed in Pattaya.

They filmed one bit by driving up Pattaya Soi 6 at night. I recognised it from the broken down VW camper van there. LOL!

Old Thai Hand

03-01-09, 02:09

Jeje It lasted 2 days! After she realized my intention was to help her get a new life so she didn't had to depend on any man, soon lost all interest.

7k baths down the drain. The winner ... the owner of the bar, as usual.

My own experience, whatever the girl says, if you are not willing to pay the average other girls get, it's not going to work.

In this case it was about 20K baths a month, plus extras like 5K baths ring, and things like that.

I suppose everyone has to go through this experience, at least once.

But, here's a suggestion...Find a nice, decent TG who has a good job, likes you for you, and doesn't price herself like a slab of meat at a butcher shop.

And, lest anyone here say it will cost you more, in the long run with a nice, decent TG, because all women, especially Thai women, regardless of background are after money is merely rationalizing (and talking through his hat).

When my GF was a student, I gave her 7500/month allowance. Now that she has a good job and has her own salary, I don't give her anything. In fact, she often pays when we go out, and has bought me lots of things since she's gotten her own money. That's real life, dude; not some warped fantasy with a screwed up, opportunistic bargirl, who's with you for a price and only as long as the wallet is open.

Dardo

03-01-09, 03:38

That's real life, dude, not some warped fantasy with a screwed up, opportunistic bargirl.Well, I had some experience with the immigrant scene, and there are a lot of people willing to pay large amounts of money just for the opportunity of going to Europe to work.

I thought this girls were after this. Here is were I went wrong.

M P Lurker

03-01-09, 10:57

When my GF was a student, I gave her 7500/month allowance. Now that she has a good job and has her own salary, I don't give her anything. In fact, she often pays when we go out, and has bought me lots of things since she's gotten her own money. That's real life, dude; not some warped fantasy with a screwed up, opportunistic bargirl, who's with you for a price and only as long as the wallet is open.
But this is not a realistic possibility for guys not living in Thailand. We are more likely to meet lower class girls with financial problems. ;)

I had a Thai GF who was a chef (not in Thailand). Her pay was not high. So as the major money earner, of course I paid the bills and when going out etc. She had mother + to support back in Thailand (not a family with money).
So this is far more realistic for most of us.
We split as BF/GF as not quite compatible but remain as like brother and sister.
Some of us pick a girl with a good heart and doesn't turn out that she comes from wealthy family.

Bob Down

03-01-09, 12:32

But this is not a realistic possibility for guys not living in Thailand. We are more likely to meet lower class girls with financial problems. ;)

I had a Thai GF who was a chef (not in Thailand). Her pay was not high. So as the major money earner, of course I paid the bills and when going out etc. She had mother + to support back in Thailand (not a family with money).
So this is far more realistic for most of us.
We split as BF/GF as not quite compatible but remain as like brother and sister.
Some of us pick a girl with a good heart and doesn't turn out that she comes from wealthy family.

I know a TG, nice girl. Makes 8000 a month and still lives with her parents and supports them. Being a tourist and her working 6 days a week means I might get to see her on a saturday night. If I was to have a serious relationship with her I would have to consider supporting her parents too.

I also know a ex bargirl who now works in her own shop. She has no one to support only herself. Now I am not considering a serious relationship with this girl but she does have her advantages.

Old Thai Hand

03-02-09, 02:25

But this is not a realistic possibility for guys not living in Thailand. We are more likely to meet lower class girls with financial problems. ;)...

...Some of us pick a girl with a good heart and doesn't turn out that she comes from wealthy family.

If one is not living here, and has little or no opportunity to meet a girl, other than a bargirl, or at the very best, a non-P4P from the lower classes, then one shouldn't have a Thai GF here. It will end up being quite costly.

I've always maintained that the best source for Thai girlfriends is the middle class. It is where Farang are the most accepted (if accepted at all) for genuine reasons (not financial ones). HiSo girls are mostly unattainable for Farang and anyway, have a certain lifestyle which is hard to match, unless one is also wealthy. The LoSo girls are too costly for other reasons: i.e., one has to support them and their immediate family, and their families are quite often disfunctional and a load of trouble. As a result, one ends up with a lot of turmoil and strife with greedy families and girls who are largely opportunistic and not to be trusted.

On the other hand, a middle class girl usually has some education, a good job with a reasonable salary, and comes from a solid family that are self-sufficient and don't need money. Therefore, logically the relationship is genuine and based on normal attraction, real feelings and not financially driven. Also, middle-class Thai girls are by far the most emotionally stable. By and large, bargirls and lower class girls, in my experience seem to be incredibly unstable and sometimes have quite dangerous personalities. As well, these types of girls have such limited knowledge of anything outside their very small worlds, that they are incredibly boring to be with and talk to.

Besides the sex, what really is the attraction?

I happen to have had breakfast with a friend at the Nana Hotel yesterday, and observed with great amusement the cliche 'morning-after' dynamic between guys and their rent-a-dates from the previous night. In all cases there seemed to be a very large chasm between them brought on, I'm sure by a combination of language problems, nothing to talk about anyway...("Did you like when I licked your pussy, last night?" doesn't seem a propos chit-chat, when noshing on scrambled eggs and toast)...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra.

As an aside, the girls were universally hideous, IMO, a condition aggravated by the fact that they lacked their bar 'war-paint' and the advantage of being seen in dim light through the foggy veil of too many Singha beers.

In the final analysis, if one is not living here, one has little opportunity, no matter how many visits to LOS, to really get to know these girls and their culture. Therefore, it become almost impossibly to truly know and understand them.

The 3Fs is still the best operating procedure for visitors.

Dardo

03-02-09, 03:16

Easy2007

03-02-09, 03:42

My word, another OTH post I would agree with.

The medium level girls are also, in the most, quite adventurous and often looking to try "a farang boyfriend".

You would be amazed at how many I have had, and who all say that sex was wonderful and thanks and that the Thai boyfriends would never go down on them, and the Thai boyfriends never care about her having an orgasm etc.... and this "talk spreads" and given the girls generally do like to get licked and enjoy sex, more and more are open to "trying it" with a farang.

You have to understand that generally Thai society is very prudish once you get past bar girls, and there is a whole load of Thai females who are very sexually frustrated.

However, with regard to the Thai bar girls looking bad in the morning, come on OTH, you were in the Nana Hotel. This does not attract anything but your lower level super cheap charlie sex tourist, who is not going to be buying the best looking mate to sleep with for the night. I enjoy the lunch time buffet there sometimes, and also enjoy watching the hideous sights come down for late breakfasts, sometimes they have a hideous girl with them too.

If one is not living here, and has little or no opportunity to meet a girl, other than a bargirl, or at the very best, a non-P4P from the lower classes, then one shouldn't have a Thai GF here. It will end up being quite costly.

I've always maintained that the best source for Thai girlfriends is the middle class. It is where Farang are the most accepted (if accepted at all) for genuine reasons (not financial ones). HiSo girls are mostly unattainable for Farang and anyway, have a certain lifestyle which is hard to match, unless one is also wealthy. The LoSo girls are too costly for other reasons: i.e., one has to support them and their immediate family, and their families are quite often disfunctional and a load of trouble. As a result, one ends up with a lot of turmoil and strife with greedy families and girls who are largely opportunistic and not to be trusted.

On the other hand, a middle class girl usually has some education, a good job with a reasonable salary, and comes from a solid family that are self-sufficient and don't need money. Therefore, logically the relationship is genuine and based on normal attraction, real feelings and not financially driven. Also, middle-class Thai girls are by far the most emotionally stable. By and large, bargirls and lower class girls, in my experience seem to be incredibly unstable and sometimes have quite dangerous personalities. As well, these types of girls have such limited knowledge of anything outside their very small worlds, that they are incredibly boring to be with and talk to.

Besides the sex, what really is the attraction?

I happen to have had breakfast with a friend at the Nana Hotel yesterday, and observed with great amusement the cliche 'morning-after' dynamic between guys and their rent-a-dates from the previous night. In all cases there seemed to be a very large chasm between them brought on, I'm sure by a combination of language problems, nothing to talk about anyway...("Did you like when I licked your pussy, last night?" doesn't seem a propos chit-chat, when noshing on scrambled eggs and toast)...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra.

As an aside, the girls were universally hideous, IMO, a condition aggravated by the fact that they lacked their bar 'war-paint' and the advantage of being seen in dim light through the foggy veil of too many Singha beers.

In the final analysis, if one is not living here, one has little opportunity, no matter how many visits to LOS, to really get to know these girls and their culture. Therefore, it become almost impossibly to truly know and understand them.

The 3Fs is still the best operating procedure for visitors.

Fon Tok

03-02-09, 03:48

If one is not living here, and has little or no opportunity to meet a girl, other than a bargirl, or at the very best, a non-P4P from the lower classes, then one shouldn't have a Thai GF here. It will end up being quite costly...(clip)...Besides the sex, what really is the attraction?...(clip)...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra....(clip)In the final analysis, if one is not living here, one has little opportunity, no matter how many visits to LOS, to really get to know these girls and their culture. Therefore, it become almost impossibly to truly know and understand them...(clip)...The 3Fs is still the best operating procedure for visitors. As usual, OTH, you are pragmatic, sardonic, and essentially correct with this comment. A "relationship" with a P4P woman is fraught with pitfalls, many unknown to most visiting farang.

Unless they've made the trip to the LOS many times, and/or had a relationship with a Thai woman, most men have little idea what they are doing when they come her on a monger holiday. These men are easy marks for wiley P4P bar girls, and they are more than willing to walk down that path hand-in-hand through the night and into the stark glare of the morning breakfast buffet. So be it...car dealers operate in the same fashion all over the world. Bait and switch...

However, if one has the inclination for a little fun out on the edge of normalcy, and wants to partake and enjoy a unique indigenous life form, then hanging with an Isaan working girl can (at times) be fun and entertaining. I happen to like gai yang and khao niao, and a night at a lively Isaan entertainment venue is a trip into the inner workings of a culture that you will not likely find outside this region.

When I think about returning to the West for an extended period, and renewing a normal life of chasing over-the-hill divorcees and jaded seriel daters, I quiver with fear for my wallet and sanity. A night, or even a week, with a Issan bar girl takes on a new perspective in this big picture. If you know what you are doing, speak a little Thai and like BBQ chicken and laab moo, it's light, fun and means nothing.

Settling down with a Mid-So Thai woman does have its attractions in the longer term living in Thailand picture, yet, then other issues come to bear such as commitment and fidelity.

As with most things in life, to each their own, of course.

NicFrenchy

03-02-09, 05:21

In all cases there seemed to be a very large chasm between them brought on, I'm sure by a combination of language problems, nothing to talk about anyway...("Did you like when I licked your pussy, last night?" doesn't seem a propos chit-chat, when noshing on scrambled eggs and toast)...and the obvious pain and boredom she's suffering by hanging around in the awful glare of the morning sun, like some frightened vampire, when she'd really like to get back to her hole-in-the-wall, that she shares with umteen other BGs, and gossip over a plate of somtam poo pra ra.

OTH,

God this had me laughing so hard... Thumbs up!

NicFrenchy

03-02-09, 05:26

If I was to have a serious relationship with her I would have to consider supporting her parents too.

Unfortunately, this TG might fall in love with a man (Thai) that will not work, stay in a scabby place that she will pay for adn wait for her to buy whisky and cigarettes for him... until she realises he is a scumbag. Let's hope she does before she gets pregnant and he disappears.

Bob Down

03-02-09, 08:16

Unfortunately, this TG might fall in love with a man (Thai) that will not work, stay in a scabby place that she will pay for adn wait for her to buy whisky and cigarettes for him... until she realises he is a scumbag. Let's hope she does before she gets pregnant and he disappears.

Well as far as Thai's go, this girl is past her used by date (mid 30's).

NicFrenchy

03-02-09, 12:05

Well as far as Thai's go, this girl is past her used by date (mid 30's).

I am not sure there is such a thing as a "Used" date, Thai guys would fuck anything for money.

Bob Down

03-03-09, 11:27

I am not sure there is such a thing as a "Used" date, Thai guys would fuck anything for money.

Same could be said for bargirls.

What I mean is that Thai girls are expected to be married in their 20's. Once they hit 30, they start to lose hope of ever getting married. I chat to another girl in her 30's, single, feels the same way.

Washburn

03-03-09, 21:53

Really good post OTH. I'll put a link to this at the reports of distinction.

Are you being sarcastic?

OTH comes to a monger forum to express his low opinion of mongers, to whom he is incomparably superior, he believes.

He has to brag to us, because if he bragged to his pals back in Canada they'd listen for two minutes then ask him if he knows Gary Glitter.

PinkPearl

03-03-09, 22:00

bargirls and lower class girls, {snip} these types of girls have such limited knowledge of anything outside their very small worlds, that they are incredibly boring to be with and talk to.

Besides the sex, what really is the attraction? OTH, if there were no other attraction, then why do so many foreigners want to spend a LT or even days & weeks with a lady of this group? Surely they are not copulating all day and night. Why not just do the three minute deed and show her the door?

Having taken several 100's of these TGs yourself, perhaps you would know what the attraction is, besides getting physical.

BTW, how often have you been with such in the past 1, 2 & 5 years?

I understand you claim to have outgrown the P4P TGs, and insist that the the vast majority of those living in Thailand and involved with them will eventually do so as well. Yet the picture you have painted of the non P4P TGs you have "dated" does not sound much different. Namely that you have disposed of 100's of them also, including numerous nightmarish situations, and even the one you are with now is easily changeable since, as you put it, there is a lineup of replacements at the door, ready and eager to take her place.

BTW, been having any dialogues re epistemology and metaphyics with her lately? That couldn't be boring.

PinkPearl

03-03-09, 22:52

However, with regard to the Thai bar girls looking bad in the morning, come on OTH, you were in the Nana Hotel. This does not attract anything but your lower level super cheap charlie sex tourist, who is not going to be buying the best looking mate to sleep with for the night.IMO, Nana Hotel, which is in a prime location for mongers, is by no means bottom of the barrel when it cums to BKK hotels, or even in that area of Sukhumvit. Cheapest rooms there are 1490, up 200B since last February, and I think the most expensive go for more than twice that.

Having spent over half my time there in the past two years, I've seen a lot of ladies going in and out, everything from fat & ugly to stunners, whether in the morning at breakfast to prime time in the evening.

In the restaurant for breakfast one may not see as high a percentage of hotties, which may be due to numerous factors. They may be more likely to have a TBF to get back to, so will not do LT or, if they do, not hang around for breakfast. BTW the TGs I've been with usually do not care for the hotel food.

Barney Rubber

03-04-09, 03:23

Dardo

03-04-09, 05:51

Are you being sarcastic?

OTH comes to a monger forum to express his low opinion of mongers, to whom he is incomparably superior, he believes.In no way. At some points the post maybe harsh, but I think is very good.

Specially, the point, that having a relationship with one of these girls requires an appreciable budget.

Old Thai Hand

03-04-09, 08:40

OTH, if there were no other attraction, then why do so many foreigners want to spend a LT or even days & weeks with a lady of this group? Surely they are not copulating all day and night. Why not just do the three minute deed and show her the door?

Having taken several 100's of these TGs yourself, perhaps you would know what the attraction is, besides getting physical.

BTW, how often have you been with such in the past 1, 2 & 5 years?

I understand you claim to have outgrown the P4P TGs, and insist that the the vast majority of those living in Thailand and involved with them will eventually do so as well. Yet the picture you have painted of the non P4P TGs you have "dated" does not sound much different. Namely that you have disposed of 100's of them also, including numerous nightmarish situations, and even the one you are with now is easily changeable since, as you put it, there is a lineup of replacements at the door, ready and eager to take her place.

BTW, been having any dialogues re epistemology and metaphyics with her lately? That couldn't be boring.

I have been with P4P a few times recently. They just don't do it for me. They don't have the right 'look' and they are B-O-R-I-N-G.

To answer your first question...Guys spend LT with these girls because of the fantasy. It's quite seductive at first to be middle-aged or older and have a young thing to play with. Even during a week or two holiday the bloom may not wear off the rose because of the fact that most guys delude themselves into thinking what's going on is genuine or at least a GFE and consequently, they lower their standards vis a vis, a meaningful relationship, having a decent conversation and the rest. Do a background check on a lot of guys and it's the same story: crappy relationships in the west, devorced from some fat, ugly shrew etc. which stands in stark contrast to the willing and compliant, not to mention comparatively beautiful and sexy Thai girls. So, these guys put up with, or just ignore the fact that these girls have nothing going on in their heads.

The point I was making was have your fun with them, even go on holiday with them if that turns your crank. But, don't under any circumstances get deeply involved with them, or you'll be in for loads of money trouble and creeping boredom. That was the catalyst for my original remarks, because of Dardo's experience. I wasn't knocking mongers, so much as just knocking mongers who mistake love for lust and get fucked up in the process.

As for conversations with my GF about epistemology and metaphysics...Ya, I actually have quite lengthy discussions with her on all kinds of deep and meaningful topics, because she is quite hungry for knowledge. This is one of the main reasons I like her, because it is so refreshing and atypical in this country to find someone like that.

Sammon

03-04-09, 16:00

Old Thai Hand

03-05-09, 11:23

All the girls whether they are poor or not are well informed nowadays. They know foreign people come to their country looking for girls to have sex with. They know in return they will get money and gifts. they know foreigners will profess endless love only to use them and leave them for another pretty skirt which comes along.
Gone are the days when the girls were innocent. Poverty makes them desparate to lie, cheat etc to make their life better. I am sure there are some good girls but it is getting difficult to find them.
Traditionally Thai custom is the older thai men have one wife and many girlfriends on the side. So it is not taboo for them to be with older foreign men. But sooner or later they are naturally attracted to men their own age .

In your first sentence you refer to all girls "poor or not", and then go on in the rest of the post to talk just about poor girls.

The girls who are not poor, middle-class and above are generally not interested in Farang, especially those on holiday, who come here for sex.

Learn to differentiate and talk about what you know.

PinkPearl

03-06-09, 01:06

I have been with P4P a few times recently. They just don't do it for me. They don't have the right 'look' and they are B-O-R-I-N-G.I'd love to know what the "right" look is. Hopefully nothing resembling the photos on ISG which, in the vast majority of cases, criminally misrepresent the beauty that is widely available in BKK, both in P4P and elsewhere. BTW, what do we know about your TGF except that she looks 8, is 23, and, in your opinion, allegedly, cute? Whitish as well, I presume.

When you were "with" these ladies did you shag them? What would they think if you attempted to discuss epistemology and metaphysics? Like WTF and boring? Based on my experience I'd expect many of them to whisper three little words in your ear, Why so serious?

To answer your first question. Guys spend LT with these girls because of the fantasy. It's quite seductive at first to be middle-aged or older and have a young thing to play with. Even during a week or two holiday the bloom may not wear off the rose because of the fact that most guys delude themselves into thinking what's going on is genuine or at least a GFE and consequently, they lower their standards vis a vis, a meaningful relationship, having a decent conversation and the rest. Do a background check on a lot of guys and it's the same story: crappy relationships in the west, devorced from some fat, ugly shrew etc. Which stands in stark contrast to the willing and compliant, not to mention comparatively beautiful and sexy Thai girls. So, these guys put up with, or just ignore the fact that these girls have nothing going on in their heads.It would be very interesting to hear TG responses to your comment here.

Nothing going on in their heads? So that should make them the equivalent of the beautiful, busty blonde stereotype? Maybe most guys like that type, especially combined with the qualities you speak of {willing, compliant, beautiful and sexy}. Add to that the fun loving nature of many TGs and it's easy to see why they are so sought after for their company LT, as GFs, or even as lifelong mates.

I'd suggest a majority of Farang in LOS have little going on in their heads, whatever that is supposed to mean, and the ones who have been hypnotized and plundered by TG magic have even less. So maybe these Farang and P4P {or LoSo} TG's are birds of a feather? Maybe they are more interested in, or totally interested in, hedonism rather than intellectualism. And that is reflected in their choice of a mate.

BTW, when you say LoSo, are you referring to poor rice farmers, seven eleven employees, hotel workers, and clerks at Siam Paragon? What would the MidSo include, doctors, lawyers, dentists, teachers?

The point I was making was have your fun with them, even go on holiday with them if that turns your crank. But, don't under any circumstances get deeply involved with them, or you'll be in for loads of money trouble and creeping boredom. That was the catalyst for my original remarks, because of Dardo's experience. I wasn't knocking mongers, so much as just knocking mongers who mistake love for lust and get fucked up in the process.Are you saying all the Farang "deeply involved" with LoSo or P4P TGs are bored to death? And if they have loads of dough they are obligated to hand it over to the TGF? Or is it possible to enjoy the TGFs way of life without trusting her enuf to hand over the crown jewels?

As for conversations with my GF about epistemology and metaphysics. Ya, I actually have quite lengthy discussions with her on all kinds of deep and meaningful topics, because she is quite hungry for knowledge. This is one of the main reasons I like her, because it is so refreshing and atypical in this country to find someone like that.This is quite general. I am guessing that she does not share the Thai view that LOS is the greatest cuntry in the world. IOW, under your influence, she is a traitor to the mother cuntry;

Personally I have found P4P TGs have an interest in knowledge. For example many of them are studying English. They actually use books for this. Some of which I have provided them myself, out of my bountiful, unsurpassed and endless generosity.

One of my P4P regulars, to whom BTW I donated some 200KB in 4 months recently, is a university student. So I would guess there is something going on in her head. But it is logically possible, metaphysicly speaking, that once this lady entered P4P she was automaticly and immediately lobotimized. Don't ask me how.

At one time I would have been into "deep and meaningful" discussions and be the philosophical type like you, but, having outgrown that, I only live for wine, women and song. Or, rather, my drugs of choice, Baccardi Breezer, testosterone, and the Rolling Stones. As a hedonist, gambling, Thai ladies, free internet porn, and mindless action movies are also some of my favorite addictions. Without them I'd consider taking up bungee jumping without the cord.

Carpe Diem

Ken Orvik

03-06-09, 21:11

I dont know how much P4P you have had, but I think you are trying to make a general opinion about this.

As I am writing this, I am sitting in my living room watching a Scandinavian Tv show which my wife chose to watch.
She has a background of about 10 years as a dancer in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza.

We have been married for about 7 years now, and she had no problem adapting to a "new life"

She now works as a nurse, and want to go to school again next year to get a better job.

I lived in Thailand for some years, and I have to say, the most honest and nice girls I met in the Bangkok P4P scene.
Really nice and lovely girls.

I dated a lot of women while living there, and I must say: All of them had a very nice personality.

So maybe you not have to pick a MBA student to meet a very nice woman.

I married P4P, and so far I have no regrets.

Ken.

AND. THEY ARE NOT STUPID!!!

Just my experience.

QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]In your first sentence you refer to all girls "poor or not", and then go on in the rest of the post to talk just about poor girls.

The girls who are not poor, middle-class and above are generally not interested in Farang, especially those on holiday, who come here for sex.

Learn to differentiate and talk about what you know.[/QUOTE]

Amjeck

03-06-09, 21:25

I married P4P, and so far I have no regrets.

I've met a few guys who have married the same as you and are happy, but you guys are in the minority.

You certainly profited in the commodities market so to speak. Good for you.

Amjeck

03-06-09, 21:33

I have been with P4P a few times recently. They just don't do it for me. They don't have the right 'look'
I'm not sure what p4p scene you are fishing in, but try the upper market scene (a rich thai guy can point you in the right direction). You'll probably find your look there, but it's probably going to cost you 15k-100k for ST.

NicFrenchy

03-07-09, 02:30

I'd love to know what the "right" look is. Hopefully nothing resembling the photos on ISG which, in the vast majority of cases, criminally misrepresent the beauty that is widely available in BKK, both in P4P and elsewhere.

I think OTH referred to the horrible dresscode of most P4P ladies in BKK.

Thepfu

03-07-09, 06:44

I'm not sure what p4p scene you are fishing in, but try the upper market scene (a rich thai guy can point you in the right direction). You'll probably find your look there, but it's probably going to cost you 15k-100k for ST.15k - 100k for ST?

This sets a new record.

Please explain.

M P Lurker

03-07-09, 07:52

I think OTH referred to the horrible dresscode of most P4P ladies in BKK.
I thought he was referring to girls not looking like rich white-skinned Hi-so school-girls.

For me, the dress code is "let me see your body".
Soapies can be difficult with girls seated. Its hard to see if they have a nice arse and nice "gap".

Old Thai Hand

03-07-09, 14:30

I'm not sure what p4p scene you are fishing in, but try the upper market scene (a rich thai guy can point you in the right direction). You'll probably find your look there, but it's probably going to cost you 15k-100k for ST.

I actually don't need P4P to meet upper market girls. But, thanks, anyway.

Amjeck

03-07-09, 22:48

I actually don't need P4P to meet upper market girls. But, thanks, anyway.
I'm not implying that.

I'm talking about the upper market p4p scene which you need Thai connections for. (p4p is about getting laid not "meeting"). You mentioned you can't find the "look". If you got cash, you can get anything you want (including the look you're probably looking for). Having the right amount of money will get you anything you want in Thailand.

Amjeck

03-07-09, 22:54

15k - 100k for ST?

This sets a new record.

Please explain.
Lot's of wealthy Thais pay this amount for absolute stunners (model actress types). One who is extremely wealthy, knows about this already and doesn't need this board to get laid. Unfortunately, I'm not in that category.

Terry Terrier

03-08-09, 00:10

Lot's of wealthy Thais pay this amount for absolute stunners (model actress types).....

Here we go again.....One Bangkok Thai's "absolute stunner" is another falang's 'gawky pan-face', just as one Bangkok Thai's 'ugly monkey face' is another falang's 'exotic beauty'.

btw, Amjeck, did you find out from your in-the-know Thai friends about where Pattaya sits in the league table of cesspits in Thailand? We know from the Thai government that Phuket is No.1 and Ranong (that's Ranong, a little along the Andaman coast from Phuket, Retired Army :)) is No.2. Did your Thai friends come up with the relevant statistics on this one? Or are we , like you, just going to have to accept their opinions?

Old Thai Hand

03-08-09, 02:08

I'm not implying that.

I'm talking about the upper market p4p scene which you need Thai connections for. (p4p is about getting laid not "meeting"). You mentioned you can't find the "look". If you got cash, you can get anything you want (including the look you're probably looking for). Having the right amount of money will get you anything you want in Thailand.

Yes. I know what you meant. I meant I don't need upper market P4P and the inherent cost, to shag an upper market girl. There are lots of those with the "look", who aren't anywhere near the P4P scene.

I think OTH referred to the horrible dresscode of most P4P ladies in BKK.

Yes. And, the way they walk, the way they talk and overall that "well-used" look is a turn-off.

Here we go again.....One Bangkok Thai's "absolute stunner" is another falang's 'gawky pan-face', just as one Bangkok Thai's 'ugly monkey face' is another falang's 'exotic beauty'.

Agreed. This is a boring topic. This all began as a cautionary tale because of Dardo's experience and has decended into the inevitable discussion.

PinkPearl

03-10-09, 19:08

So who are the best girls for GF's. I still think Middle Class but you still have to be a little lucky! I would think it depends hugely on the guy, what type of GF he is looking for. Maybe middle class {MidSo} girls usually have more of an academic education, but they are probably not as sex, worldly, and street wise as a P4P lady who has spent years with gentlemen from all over the globe. I would guess that a LoSo TG is also probably more likely to be ahead of a MidSo TG in the sex ed department.

It has been argued that a MidSo TGF would be more genuine in her love because she is not as financially needy as LoSo TGs. This seems to miss the fact that love and finances are mutually exclusive matters and, therefore, is logicly false.

If a rich Westerner had a Western GF, would she be more likely to be in love if she were a bank manager or a seven eleven employee? It is not possible to know what is in the heart of a person. And true love is a thing that is entirely independent of a person's income or assets level.

Maybe the BF is retired, 65 to 75 years old, and the bank manager figures in a few years he will kick the bucket and leave her a huge inheritance. She is in a more stable financial position than the seven eleven worker, but he provides potential insurance for the banker should her job ever go tits up. Moreover the possibility of getting a huge inheritance might allow her to quit the bank entirely and retire.

Sure she could make a lot more dough in P4P than banking, but that has its risks of disease and violence, not to mention she would feel degraded, have to work very hard, and be in danger of humiliation and police harrasment or arrest. In contrast to all that the old rich guy gives her a great opportunity for a relatively easy out. And that probably in less than 5 or 10 years, since he will not likely live any longer. Maybe he even throws her a few bread crumbs while she patiently waits for him to croak.

So her preference for looking out for herself and her future is to work in the bank and hopefully get this guys dough. Though she's a good actress, maybe even as good as TGs have a reputation for, and like P4P girls may pretend they love a farang, all she really cares about is the bottom line.

There have been a number of Western movies along the line of this theme, with young studs pretending they love old rich ladies, or SYTs duping an elderly guy for everything he has.

Old Thai Hand

03-12-09, 01:28

Maybe middle class {MidSo} girls usually have more of an academic education, but they are probably not as sex, worldly, and street wise as a P4P lady who has spent years with gentlemen from all over the globe. I would guess that a LoSo TG is also probably more likely to be ahead of a MidSo TG in the sex ed department.

This is shear rubbish. I've had far more adventuresome sex with non-P4P, reasonably educated MidSo girls, than I have ever had with any P4P. Regardless of their chosen calling, most P4P girls are Isaan country bumpkins, coming from a fairly narrow-minded, conservative, uneducated background, where their knowledge of sex going in is extremely limited. In contrast, I've met few MidSo girls who didn't have it completely together when it came to sex and who are by nature far more open when it comes to trying different things.

Barko

03-12-09, 03:43

PinkPearl

03-12-09, 07:49

Sound of large loud buzzer echoing overhead.

WRONG.Well done, Barko. Succinct and to the point.

Bark, bark.

PinkPearl

03-12-09, 09:31

This is shear rubbish. I've had far more adventuresome sex with non-P4P, reasonably educated MidSo girls, than I have ever had with any P4P. Regardless of their chosen calling, most P4P girls are Isaan country bumpkins, coming from a fairly narrow-minded, conservative, uneducated background, where their knowledge of sex going in is extremely limited. In contrast, I've met few MidSo girls who didn't have it completely together when it came to sex and who are by nature far more open when it comes to trying different things.Trying many different things isn't really something I'd put at the top of my list when it cums to what I want in sexual encounters, but in my experience P4P gals in LOS have been up to anything I've been interested in.

So it seems that our tastes and experiences just differ, and or you are into some quite weird stuff! What is it you allege you wanted to try that P4P TGs were not willing to do. LOL.

Of course your personal experiences on which you base conclusions about entire classes of millions of TGs are so limited as to make your opinions of no statistical value.

Come up with 1000 test subjects all saying the same thing and you might have something. But as it stands there is no reason to think that another random sampling of these groups of TGs by another guy couldn't easily reach the exact opposite conclusion from you.

Moreover there is the question of having a contempt for and prejudice against P4P TGs which could disable one's ability to be objective about such experiences. Such attitudes could also serve as causes in making the P4P experience less enjoyable {or adventuresome} than it might have otherwise been.

Consequently any conclusions this person came to from such encounters are unreliable. They speak less about TGs in general and more about the person himself.

Opebo

03-12-09, 10:26

Fon Tok

03-12-09, 10:37

...most P4P girls are Isaan country bumpkins...In contrast, I've met few MidSo girls who didn't have it completely together... OTH: You paint the world of Thai women with a very large brush with one color of paint. You are one man with one set of experiences. It sounds like you've been very lucky due to your position and role in the Thai world, (and your charming personality, of course!).

However, I would not discount women from Isaan uniformly. There are many sexy, loving women from this part of Thailand. Some of us actually prefer "country bumpkins." Besides they look great in high heels and Daisy Dukes!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Dukes

Old Thai Hand

03-12-09, 10:46

I'm going to have to side with Pink Pearl on this one. I've had only a few girlfriends in Thailand, and of course they have been middle class and university educated, but the sex with them has always been so-so. Certainly far less good than with comparable middle class girls in the US.

By contrast, while I've certainly had my share of starfish, a large percentage of prostitutes in Thailand provide really excellent sex. I'd say around 10-20%. Usually this correlates to their being three holers and a little older - say over 25 - but sometimes even the 2-holers or younger hookers provide good sex. I think perhaps the reason OTH and some others do not find the really good service in P4P is because they tend to eschew freelancers and lower-end girls, particularly those in the 25-45 age range.

I'd venture a guess and say I've had far more experience with MidSo, educated girls, than you have had, if for no other reason than I've been here longer. While I've certainly had my share of duds among the many Mid and HiSo girls I've shagged, there have been considerably more who have been truly amazing.

One memorable girl was a former student who arrived one day with a friend, also a former student of mine, who before they screwed my brains out, put on a show in which the two of them did each other, using dildos. There's nothing to heighten things than seeing two former prim and proper students, out of their uniforms, naked and sweaty, ramming dildos into each other.

Old Thai Hand

03-12-09, 10:57

OTH: You paint the world of Thai women with a very large brush with one color of paint. You are one man with one set of experiences. It sounds like you've been very lucky due to your position and role in the Thai world, (and your charming personality, of course!).

However, I would not discount women from Isaan uniformly. There are many sexy, loving women from this part of Thailand. Some of us actually prefer "country bumpkins." Besides they look great in high heels and Daisy Dukes!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Dukes

A/ In fact, I have quite an eclectic range of experiences here with TGs from every walk of life.

B/ My GF comes from Isaan, is not a country bumpkin and therefore, I don't think that every Isaan women is one.

But, a lot of Isaan girls are ignorant, uneducated country bumpkins who know very little about anything. It's just a fact. The place is predominantly made up of small villages, full of people who've never been anywhere, have little education and only know their small little worlds. They watch Thai TV and if they read at all, only read Thai newspapers and crappy magazines, and as a result have a narrow-minded, extremely Thai-centric, xenophobic point of view.

Yes they look sexy in shorts and heels and can be lovely and sweet. But, that doesn't alter the fact that they aren't very interesting beyond the obvious reasons.

Opebo

03-12-09, 11:14

One memorable girl was a former student who arrived one day with a friend, also a former student of mine, who before they screwed my brains out, put on a show in which the two of them did each other, using dildos. There's nothing to heighten things than seeing two former prim and proper students, out of their uniforms, naked and sweaty, ramming dildos into each other.

Yeah I've never seen anything like that. By 'adventurous' sex on the part of middle class girls I was just thinking that they would give a decent BJ and try anal. Most won't even do that.

Barko

03-12-09, 11:35

I'm going to have to side with Pink Pearl on this one. I've had only a few girlfriends in Thailand, and of course they have been middle class and university educated, but the sex with them has always been so-so. Certainly far less good than with comparable middle class girls in the US.

By contrast, while I've certainly had my share of starfish, a large percentage of prostitutes in Thailand provide really excellent sex. I'd say around 10-20%. Usually this correlates to their being three holers and a little older - say over 25 - but sometimes even the 2-holers or younger hookers provide good sex. I think perhaps the reason OTH and some others do not find the really good service in P4P is because they tend to eschew freelancers and lower-end girls, particularly those in the 25-45 age range.Hmm, you may need to get out more:

Best sex ever in Thailand: University Professor Chiang Mai University 32 yrs old (female, duh)

Also, an extended affair with a devastatingly beautiful and incredibly imaginative sex crazed post grad MBA student, one session yielding 12 orgasms in one day at Krisada Doi Resort, Chiang Mai. She would wear lingerie and nylons, born from her own fantasy library bank of ideas, and purchased on her own dime. On the surface, she was just a far above average looking but nicely mannered and efficient university student. Under the hood she was a thousand horsepower internally combusted sex fiend, with nothing holding her back.

Have been involved in several other local Northern Thailand dalliances and erotic endeavors as well, and have found other middle class Thai women (OK, especially from Chiang Mai) to be very highly sexed, and super adventurous in bed, (or in the hall, in the kitchen, in the car, in the pool, in the bathroom of the pub, in the snake filled rain forest, on the lakefront at night, etc.)

P4P speaks of experiences and monetarily motivated payoffs. Hormones speak the truth.

1Ball

03-12-09, 13:07

One memorable girl was a former student who arrived one day with a friend, also a former student of mine, who before they screwed my brains out, put on a show in which the two of them did each other, using dildos. There's nothing to heighten things than seeing two former prim and proper students, out of their uniforms, naked and sweaty, ramming dildos into each other.
C'mon OTH, you big tease. You have us all drooling. I know you have some pics somewhere buried in the archives. cough 'em up wud ya.

Amjeck

03-12-09, 20:06

PinkPearl

03-12-09, 23:08

{snip} On the surface, she was just a far above average looking but nicely mannered and efficient university student. Under the hood she was a thousand horsepower internally combusted sex fiend, with nothing holding her back.

{snip} have found other middle class Thai women (OK, especially from Chiang Mai) to be very highly sexed, and super adventurous in bed, (or in the hall, in the kitchen, in the car, in the pool, in the bathroom of the pub, in the snake filled rain forest, on the lakefront at night, etc.)

P4P speaks of experiences and monetarily motivated payoffs. Hormones speak the truth.

Having sex with snakes isn't really my thing, but to each their own I guess.
I'm sure you & OTH will have an "adventurous" time out there!

IMO the monetary aspect is irrelevant when it cums to super horny hotties, and they are not difficult to find in the BKK P4P scene. Maybe you just need to get out more. Or move to BKK.

Opebo's estimates concur with my experiences, that is 10-20% of P4P are highly sexed, and the best cum in the 25-32 year old range.

As I've pointed out previously to OTH:

Trying many different things isn't really something I'd put at the top of my list when it cums to what I want in sexual encounters, but in my experience P4P gals in LOS have been up to anything I've been interested in. In fact, by virtue of their sexual lessons from many men from every corner of the earth, they've introduced me to a few new things.

So it seems that our tastes and experiences just differ, and or you are into some quite weird stuff! What is it you allege you wanted to try that P4P TGs were not willing to do. LOL.

Of course your personal experiences on which you base conclusions about entire classes of millions of TGs are so limited as to make your opinions of no statistical value.

Come up with 1000 test subjects all saying the same thing and you might have something. But as it stands there is no reason to think that another random sampling of these groups of TGs by another guy couldn't easily reach the exact opposite conclusion from you.

Moreover there is the question of having a contempt for and prejudice against P4P TGs which could disable one's ability to be objective about such experiences. Such attitudes could also serve as causes in making the P4P experience less enjoyable {or adventuresome} than it might have otherwise been.

Consequently any conclusions this person came to from such encounters are unreliable. They speak less about TGs in general and more about the person himself.

Old Thai Hand

03-13-09, 00:18

Agree. Non-p4p MidSo are better than p4p, but I've found the best to be the Non-p4p HiSo types.

Getting back to the original question of 'who makes the best GFs', as posed to Pink Pearl, which he answered reasonably, albeit somewhat inaccurately IMO...

If one looks at the overall picture: excellent and adventuresome sex, self-sufficiency (i.e. doesn't bleed you dry for money and who actually might spend money on you) and a reasonably intelligent, educated and interesting companion out of bed, as well, a MidSo TG is still the best.

HiSo girls are sometimes high maintenance and largely inaccessible beyond the sex. if you're looking for a GF, HiSo girls are usually out of reach because a Farang would not be acceptable either to her family, her friends or to the society to which she belongs, even if he has money and comes from a good family. Thai high society people don't equate a good family in the west with one here. It's part and parcel of their arrogant, xenophobic mind-set.

Barko

03-13-09, 13:18

Having sex with snakes isn't really my thing, but to each their own I guess.

I'm sure you & OTH will have an "adventurous" time out there!

IMO the monetary aspect is irrelevant when it cums to super horny hotties, and they are not difficult to find in the BKK P4P scene. Maybe you just need to get out more. Or move to BKK.

Opebo's estimates concur with my experiences, that is 10-20% of P4P are highly sexed, and the best cum in the 25-32 year old range.

As I've pointed out previously:

Trying many different things isn't really something I'd put at the top of my list when it cums to what I want in sexual encounters, but in my experience P4P gals in LOS have been up to anything I've been interested in. In fact, by virtue of their sexual lessons from many men from every corner of the earth, they've introduced me to a few new things.

So it seems that our tastes and experiences just differ, and or you are into some quite weird stuff! What is it you allege you wanted to try that P4P TGs were not willing to do. LOL.

Of course your personal experiences on which you base conclusions about entire classes of millions of TGs are so limited as to make your opinions of no statistical value.

Come up with 1000 test subjects all saying the same thing and you might have something. But as it stands there is no reason to think that another random sampling of these groups of TGs by another guy couldn't easily reach the exact opposite conclusion from you.

Moreover there is the question of having a contempt for and prejudice against P4P TGs which could disable one's ability to be objective about such experiences. Such attitudes could also serve as causes in making the P4P experience less enjoyable {or adventuresome} than it might have otherwise been.

Consequently any conclusions this person came to from such encounters are unreliable. They speak less about TGs in general and more about the person himself.Try living here in Thailand since 1984. Then speak.

I am referring to experiences with middle-road Chiang Mai Thai girls, once they get a taste of the real 'set leao' they become relentless, they seek it, and they crave it, they really do. Daily, nightly, everywhere and anywhere. It isn't a job.

Again, live here. You seem to want to negate reality and assume P4P girls to be the be-all end-all for the best sex here in Thailand? Hmm. OK, supposition: Suppose you live in a normal Thai upper middle class neighborhood, you make relationships with moderately affluent 'normal' Thai girls with good jobs and reasonable paychecks. You settle in for the long haul, having girls of interest, & their friends, over frequently, and developing an A rep. (Yeah, wow, it is do-able, yes it is, but dude, you just can't be a heavily tattooed wife beater wearing skinhead to pull this off) You take them out to a dinner and a movie, just like a normal guy. You invest a significant amount of time based in the Kingdom, learning the language, making friends, etc. OK? Do it. THEN do the math. Then speak up for what you KNOW, not what you think. (Tip: the key word in this paragraph is 'normal')

So what are we talking about here: Anal? NP. Multiple orgasms? NP. Dress up time? NP. Toys? NP. Three-four ways? NP. Ergo, it's all a matter of trust and desire, no matter who is involved, correct? Not the idea of 'service best, service to survive' equals money.

Now, today, for me, straight up & honest, at this time in life, I pretty much can only do P4P at this point. No contempt for P4P girls at all, just ask them! A real term relationship with any woman, anywhere, is not a reasonable choice. I'm just hardly ever home here in Phuket anymore. And, for hardcore knock out all the stops, get down & dirty, asphalt melting real 'sex', right now, today, 2009, P4P or not, it's tuff to top a PRC Chinese girl for sheer audacity and mind altering craziness (Hell, a lot of them have been masturbating daily since they were 12. Horny freakin little shits, yes they are. Hormones my man, hormones! ) Most Isaan girls, tattoos & all, just don't get it. Sorry.

I stand hardfast, (or harder and faster, whatever makes her cum first.).

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PinkPearl

03-13-09, 19:22

The LoSo {snip} their families are quite often disfunctional and a load of trouble.If Thai TV is reflective of life in Thailand, it seems that the high and middle class families have plenty of their own problems.

Further, if one has a TGF, as distinct from a wife, there is no necessity for the Farang BF to be living together with her or meet her family. Ever.

Barko

03-14-09, 07:26

If Thai TV is reflective of life in Thailand, it seems that the high and middle class families have plenty of their own problems.

Further, if one has a TGF, as distinct from a wife, there is no necessity for the Farang BF to be living together with her or meet her family. Ever.Thai TV?

Thai TV is written and directed by a bunch of old socially impaired gay guys that are all swhacked out on some sort of locally manufactured meth.

Pretty far off of reality.

Old Thai Hand

03-14-09, 18:08

If Thai TV is reflective of life in Thailand, it seems that the high and middle class families have plenty of their own problems.

Thai TV is largely a cartoon, filled with silliness and hardly reflective of real life in this country.

Further, if one has a TGF, as distinct from a wife, there is no necessity for the Farang BF to be living together with her or meet her family. Ever.

To make a statement like this shows just how little you know about Thai culture.

If you are involved in anyway with a TG, it will most definitely include her family. If you date a TG, you date her family in a sense, as well, to a lesser or greater degree, depending on her background.

In particular, if you date an Isaan girl, especially one from the countryside with a needy family, you can be damn sure that you will not only meet them, but, will become more involved with them, than you care to. You will also encounter loads of relatively obscure relatives and hangers-on, who will crawl out of the woodwork to meet the Farang and hopefully get in on the action.

The main reason to never date a lower class girl, (P4P or not), especially from Isaan is that you can bet that her family will turn out to be a bunch of leeches who's prime motivation will be to suck you dry.

Tiger 888

03-14-09, 19:25

...The main reason to never date a lower class girl, (P4P or not), especially from Isaan is that you can bet that her family will turn out to be a bunch of leeches who's prime motivation will be to suck you dry.That's why the advice is: If you want to marry a Thai girl, make sure that she is either filthy rich or doesn't have any relative.

PinkPearl

03-14-09, 23:29

To make a statement like this shows just how little you know about Thai culture.

If you are involved in anyway with a TG, it will most definitely include her family.Thai culture is actually irrelevant to my point.

As I see it Thai culture does not have me in a headlock or control me like some sort of android. I am free to do as I please, and if a TG likes me enough to want to hang out and do things together, then she will also have to accept my terms. So it isn't a matter of not knowing Thai culture, but of individual liberty when I say that there is no necessity to ever live with her or get involved with her family. If it so happened that every single TG would dump me if I refused to have anything to do with her family, then so be it. But somehow I doubt that that would be the case. And if she liked truly loved me, it would be no problem.

Probably I would never want to meet any of her family members. If I were in BKK with a GF, and she went up north or south to visit the family, she would do it alone.

Moreover I might instruct her to keep our relationship a secret like a BF would with his GF regarding his giks. That way they would not even need to know that I exist or that she has a BF.

As to my relationship with a potential TGF, it might be something as light and uninvolved as getting together once a week for a dinner, movie and sex. Some guys might like to have several GFs like this at the same time, maybe a different one for each day of the week! Quite different from a FT live in GF like yours who is basicly a wife.

BTW I have had a number of P4P and non FS MP TGs want to get involved with me outside of work, by going to the disco theatre or for a sleepover, but thus far have declined their offers. Not that these ladies were crazy or disfunctional, as I found them quite sweet and hot, but I am not interested in getting tied down.

Bumholes1

03-14-09, 23:50

To make a statement like this shows just how little you know about Thai culture.

If you are involved in anyway with a TG, it will most definitely include her family. If you date a TG, you date her family in a sense, as well, to a lesser or greater degree, depending on her background.

In particular, if you date an Isaan girl, especially one from the countryside with a needy family, you can be damn sure that you will not only meet them, but, will become more involved with them, than you care to. You will also encounter loads of relatively obscure relatives and hangers-on, who will crawl out of the woodwork to meet the Farang and hopefully get in on the action.

The main reason to never date a lower class girl, (P4P or not), especially from Isaan is that you can bet that her family will turn out to be a bunch of leeches who's prime motivation will be to suck you dry.

Pure generalisation. What a load of bollocks!

Titanio

03-15-09, 00:27

Thai TV is largely a cartoon, filled with silliness and hardly reflective of real life in this country.

The main reason to never date a lower class girl, (P4P or not), especially from Isaan is that you can bet that her family will turn out to be a bunch of leeches who's prime motivation will be to suck you dry.I cannot agree. Over the years I have had relations with a few NON P4P girls from Isaan in Bangkok. It is all about discrimination. An Isaan girl will never earn anything more than 7000 Bt a month, even if well educated. And then she is only offered a parttime job. I have seen this happening many times. A girl working nightshifts as a receptionist in a well known hotel/ restaurant, Doing 12 hour shifts and got home at the end of the month with 6500 Bt. And this girl had a University degree and speaking perfect English. Another girl working at an Internet shop being paid 210 Bt a day for working 11 hours a day and 80 Bt travel cost to be paid by herself! Many more examples like a cashier earning slightly more as she also shared in the tippings. These girls were born as so called Lo-so's but they never will get a proper change. That situaton is well maintained by all business owners, either they are Thai or Farang. Even our well known pimp Hermann. Has the same attitude. Paying a Mid-So BKK girl much more than a so called Lo-so Isaan girl for the same job.

And the Mid-so girls, they earn much more. The girl I have a relation with now, originates from Bangkok, well educated, still living at home with the whole family but earns over 30K a month, and drives her own car. Works in an international trading company but has a lousy command of English.

But in the end, none of the girls or the family asked me for money. One girl who wanted to setup her own business required 80000 Bt. I wanted to make a deal by giving her 20K, I was willing to invest another 30K when a bank would grant her a loan of also 30K. The bank refused, even with a proper business plan. That is what I call discrimination!

Oh the girl finally got her own business and now makes 30 to 40K each month.

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PinkPearl

03-15-09, 01:08

That's why the advice is: If you want to marry a Thai girl, make sure that she is either filthy rich or doesn't have any relative.If one is living with a TGF in Canada or any cuntry outside Thailand, as many Farang do, the leeches of her family may be all but exterminated.

Whether she is hiso, midtoe, cuntry bumpkin or BKK pumpkin, they are not likely to be droping in everyday asking for bowls of sticky rice and sometums.

The distance between the couple and the family in Thailand creates a lot of separation, and I'm not talking only about miles.

She will be influenced by another culture, so likely enjoy a degree of freedom from her family's ways and the clutches of the mother cuntry.

BTW there are single TGs already living in foreign cuntries and separated from their families back in LOS.

M P Lurker

03-15-09, 01:15

Pure generalisation. What a load of bollocks!
Afraid I have to agree with Bumholes here that its OTH's normal generalisation which can be true but not always.

One Issaan GF was not keen for me to go to her home town or meet all the relatives immediately for fear of the gossip attached, the assumption that she might be P4P. She was keeping me secret for a good time, in fact for so long that I never did meet much of the family. Only a few selected ones. However she was a very non-typical Thai girl. No one could understand her.

Another ex-GF (non P4P) did introduce me to her immediate family but I never got the feeling that they were trying to leech from me. Perhaps some were trying to leech from her as she lived OS and was assumed to have money.

Old Thai Hand

03-15-09, 03:14

Pure generalisation. What a load of bollocks!

Sorry, gentlemen. I am 100% correct on this one.

Family plays a major role in any relationship in this country, especially a long-term relationship. The only way to minimize it is to get involved with a girl who's family have money and don't need yours.

I've had many GFs from all levels of society here. In every case, inevitably, whether I wanted to or not, I was dragged into the family dynamics of each girl. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if, as in my current situation they aren't after anything.

But, if they're poor, the whole family will want you to support them, and if you resist, it will become the central theme of discord and break-up. While it's true that this is most common with Isaan girls, as it is a Thai cultural thing, it exists everywhere in the country.

In fact, the worst situation I ever encountered was with a girl from Chiang Rai whose mother, the first time I ever met her immediately started negotiating the dowry (200,000), and how much I would give in monthly support for the family (10,000 baht/month). BTW, this occurred the first weekend I ever met this girl. We had met online. I went to Chiang Rai to meet her. She came to my hotel Friday night and we didn't see the light of day until Sunday afternoon, when her mother showed up at my hotel room to begin negotiations.

I subsequently discovered from a former student, from Chiang Rai to whom I told this story, that there's a long-standing practice there, which still exists in many villages far out in the countryside of families essentially selling off their daughters to the highest bidder and also expecting ongoing financial support from the purchaser. This student, who actually came from a nearby village to that of my GF's said that my GF's village was notorious for still practicing this old custom, which originated in China, from where many of the inhabitants originated. It made perfect sense, as my GF at the time was part Chinese, her grandfather having been born just across the border.

I broke up with the girl about a month later when I discovered she was already married to another Farang who lived in his home country, had already paid the dowry of 200,000 and was sending her and her family 40,000/month. As it turned out, I was going to be pigeon #3, as she had been married once before that, to another Farang. It seemed to be the family business to sell her off. The funny thing was she had a Farang step-father who was well into the whole thing. The epilogue to this story is that her husband found out about me and dumped her. Then, she tried to get back with me, and when I refused, she hooked another particularly well-off Farang with whom she lived a year. But, now, she's back home, online and searching for a new victim.

I had a GF from Roi Et, once who's whole family showed up on my doorstep, unannounced, just after we had started dating and living together to check out, how well we were living, in order to determine just how much they could get out of me. My ongoing resisitance to excessive demands, over the 4 years we were together (although I did give her mother 1500/month) led to many fights and eventually our breakup.

I had another GF from Krabi in the south, who's father is a successful rubber plantation owner and has a bit of money. Yet, when the family decided to build an new and larger house, it was just expected that I would contribute to the cost, as "that's Thai culture", as it was explained to me by my GF.
A side anecdote to this story concerns her sister. She married a Thai guy from Nakhon Sri Thammarat who bought her a 5 million baht house, a Lexus and gave her parents a 500,000 baht dowry. She then dumped him after 6 months and kept everything.

I could cite loads of more examples.

So, you're going to have to come up with more than the word "bollocks" to counter what I am saying.

Member #3428

03-15-09, 03:51

Sorry, gentlemen. I am 100% correct on this one.

Family plays a major role in any relationship in this country, especially a long-term relationship. The only way to minimize it is to get involved with a girl who's family have money and don't need yours.

OMG... I gotta agree with OTH...

My current ex and I are an ex because of a major issue with the brother. While she does not like him he goes to mama, and mama goes to my ex and my ex is pressured into helping the no good SOB...

In almost all of asia you not marry a girl you marry a family if you are lucky and if you are not lucky then you end up marry to a whole clan or tamboon or village... So many sisters and aunties and uncles and cousins and such that need items....

I do not agree the only way to minimize it is to get involved with a rich girl or a well off girl however. There are families and girls and such that are realistic, understanding, and co operative, just hard to find those types.

Macheath

03-15-09, 08:32

I'd venture a guess and say I've had far more experience with MidSo, educated girls, than you have had, if for no other reason than I've been here longer. While I've certainly had my share of duds among the many Mid and HiSo girls I've shagged, there have been considerably more who have been truly amazing.

One memorable girl was a former student who arrived one day with a friend, also a former student of mine, who before they screwed my brains out, put on a show in which the two of them did each other, using dildos. There's nothing to heighten things than seeing two former prim and proper students, out of their uniforms, naked and sweaty, ramming dildos into each other.Yet another variation on the schoolgirl fantasy, staple of a young man's wet dreams and many ordinary pop songs, and favourite of the compulsive wanker for whom it may hold its force into dotage. This particular tale has the girls as former students to avoid any suggestion of impropriety. Still the picture is clear and even if they're not in uniform the vision is implanted. In younger days I used to fantasise about the car breaking down miles away from anywhere, dark and stormy night, and stumbling upon a girl's boarding school where they looked after my every need. Quite mundane I admit, but I've never been into dildos. On aesthetic grounds. I never thought that this fantasy could ever be realised until, lo and behold, the adventures of OTH and his barking fans, where everything is possible especially to the unsceptical amongst us.

As a newcomer I venture the opinion that maybe this sort of tall tale, along with other feverish imaginings involving such things as 4, 6, 8, 10, 12 orgasm sessions, 10 inch cocks, nympho sisters, girlfriends who more than pay their way etc. All no doubt typed one handed, might more properly belong in another place where those of us with real, although less colourful, sex lives won't feel inadequate by comparison. Although I have heard that multiple orgasms of these numbers could possibly be achieved by the premature ejaculators amongst us. Scientists may care to comment.

Back to the real/unreal world of Bangkok. Best looking girls are definitely the dancers who keep their clothes on in Spice Girls on Cowboy. At least 6 are tall, slim, sexy, beautiful/attractive, and friendly although not for immediate sale. Many other shorter versions of the same although amazing the transformative power of high heels. To my mind these girls set the benchmark for the scores of 8&9 that are being awarded.

Barko

03-15-09, 08:36

Sorry, gentlemen. I am 100% correct on this one.

Family plays a major role in any relationship in this country, especially a long-term relationship. The only way to minimize it is to get involved with a girl who's family have money and don't need yours.

I've had many GFs from all levels of society here. In every case, inevitably, whether I wanted to or not, I was dragged into the family dynamics of each girl. This isn't necessarily a bad thing if, as in my current situation they aren't after anything.

But, if they're poor, the whole family will want you to support them, and if you resist, it will become the central theme of discord and break-up. While it's true that this is most common with Isaan girls, as it is a Thai cultural thing, it exists everywhere in the country.

In fact, the worst situation I ever encountered was with a girl from Chiang Rai who's mother, the first time I ever met her immediately started negotiating the dowry (200, 000), and how much I would give in monthly support for the family (10, 000 baht/month). BTW, this occurred the first weekend I ever met this girl. We had met online. I went to Chiang Rai to meet her. She came to my hotel Friday night and we didn't see the light of day until Sunday afternoon, when her mother showed up at my hotel room to begin negotiations.

I subsequently discovered from a former student, from Chiang Rai to whom I told this story, that there's a long-standing practice there, which still exists in many villages far out in the countryside of families essentially selling off their daughters to the highest bidder and also expecting ongoing financial support from the purchaser. This student, who actually came from a nearby village to that of my GF's said that my GF's village was notorious for still practicing this old custom, which originated in China, from where many of the inhabitants originated. It made perfect sense, as my GF at the time was part Chinese, her grandfather having been born just across the border.

I broke up with the girl about a month later when I discovered she was already married to another Farang who lived in his home country, had already paid the dowry of 200, 000 and was sending her and her family 40, 000/month. As it turned out, I was going to be pigeon #3, as she had been married once before that, to another Farang. It seemed to be the family business to sell her off. The funny thing was she had a Farang step-father who was well into the whole thing. The epilogue to this story is that her husband found out about me and dumped her. Then, she tried to get back with me. She hooked another particularly well-off Farang with whom she lived a year. But, now, she's back home, online and searching for a new victim.

I had a GF from Roi Et, once who's whole family showed up on my doorstep, unannounced, just after we had started dating and living together to check out, how well we were living, in order to determine just how much they could get out of me. My ongoing resisitance to excessive demands, over the 4 years we were together (although I did give her mother 1500/month) led to many fights and eventually our breakup.

I had another GF from Krabi in the south, who's father is a successful rubber plantation owner and has a bit of money. Yet, when the family decided to build an new and larger house, it was just expected that I would contribute to the cost, as "that's Thai culture", as it was explained to me by my GF.

A side anecdote to this story concerns her sister. She married a Thai guy from Nakhon Sri Thammarat who bought her a 5 million baht house, a Lexus and gave her parents a 500, 000 baht dowry. She then dumped him after 6 months and kept everything.

I could cite loads of more examples.

So, you're going to have to come up with more than the word "bollocks" the counter what I am saying.Perfect Old Thai Hand. The truth, well done, thx.

The stories of ripoffs and flim-flams generated by Thai females in this country are mind bogglingly pervasive, and many are well known and documented, "My uncle's sick buffalo" probably being among the most famous. Separating loverboy farangs from their lifelong savings is the name of the game here.

Adding to OTH remarks, I too have many many stories regarding the farang-Thai phenomenon here, some are truly hilarious and recited luxuriously over many a pint, but in the end, far too many end up ultimately very very sad.

I now direct you to the online excerpt of the book:

"Sex and Tourism: Journeys of Romance, Love, and Lust"
By Thomas G. Bauer PhD, Bob McKercher PhD

(If my PHP-HTML syntax is correct the following link should open directly to page 68):
"The Dyamics of Thai-Foreigner Marriages"
http://books.google.co.th/books?id=cMbr-XLR4SEC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&source=gbs_summary_r&cad=0#PPA68,M1

A foreign guy here in Thailand that doesn't have a firm understanding of the "foreigner male/thai female" relationship, (bf-gf, and all of the inherently misunderstood concepts of money, sex, and extended family life) has a name, and according to 'PT Barnum', one of them is born every minute. Educate yourselves, and don't become one.

Easy2007

03-15-09, 08:58

Pure generalisation. What a load of bollocks!Well said Bumholes. Totally agree.

This "pure generalisation" is common amongst the Bangkok Teacher Expat community, who think their limited experience around Bangkok Isaan girls gives them the right to know everything about Isaan.

They read a few experiences on internet forums and bulletin boards and this becomes the pure generalisation they then also try to promote on bulletin boards.

There is an element of truth in some cases, but you cannot make a total generalisation.

Bumholes1

03-15-09, 11:36

Sorry, gentlemen. I am 100% correct on this one.

OTH

Maybe you ARE correct insofar as your experiences are concerned, but you are still generalising.

I too am an old thai hand, during which time I have had far too many relationships, mainly with Isaan girls and just 1 from the north - (Phrae). And with more than 90% of them, including my present Isaan wife of 10 years + I have never been leeched, or financially abused. I have NEVER donated to any extended family member. Mother-in law, before her death received from me exactly what my wife gave her monthly before she gave up her factory job for me.

Why is my experience the opposite of yours? Probably because at the start of all relationships I set out my stall. Before becoming involved I tell them there will be no donations to family members, no dowry's should we ever reach that stage , no village parties etc etc. And i can tell you in all honesty, no girl has ever refused to start a relationship because of it, and with those that have lasted more than a short time, there has never been any problem from the family. In fact I am respected for my principles, and the fact that I really take care of my women.

Old Thai Hand

03-15-09, 14:14

OTH

Maybe you ARE correct insofar as your experiences are concerned, but you are still generalising.

I too am an old thai hand, during which time I have had far too many relationships, mainly with Isaan girls and just 1 from the north - (Phrae). And with more than 90% of them, including my present Isaan wife of 10 years + I have never been leeched, or financially abused. I have NEVER donated to any extended family member. Mother-in law, before her death received from me exactly what my wife gave her monthly before she gave up her factory job for me.

Why is my experience the opposite of yours? Probably because at the start of all relationships I set out my stall. Before becoming involved I tell them there will be no donations to family members, no dowry's should we ever reach that stage , no village parties etc etc. And i can tell you in all honesty, no girl has ever refused to start a relationship because of it, and with those that have lasted more than a short time, there has never been any problem from the family. In fact I am respected for my principles, and the fact that I really take care of my women.

Bully for you. However, I'd say you are very atypical. There have literally been hundreds of stories over the years about guys buying the farm for their TG and her family. There have been news stories, websites, blogs and even YouTube videos describing this very common scenario.

While I've actually never been leeched from, whenever I made the mistake of getting involved with a girl from a poor family, supporting the family became an issue. I did what you did and stood my ground, when it came to her family, but always took very good care of the girl. But, somehow, this was never quite enough. This is why I'd never go near one of these lower class girls again. My current GF has a good job, and her own money. Her brothers are all cops, make good money and contribute to her parents. Her sister works for a 5-star hotel in Shanghai and sends money home. Her father was a provincial minister and is on a good government pension. Her parents who are educated and intelligent have said that they don't expect a dowry because I'm a Farang and it's not my culture, and also because we've lived together for 3 years.

In any event, I'd say you lucked out because what I have described is generally the norm and what you decribe is the exception.

M P Lurker

03-15-09, 15:59

OMG... I gotta agree with OTH...

My current ex and I are an ex because of a major issue with the brother. While she does not like him he goes to mama, and mama goes to my ex and my ex is pressured into helping the no good SOB...

In almost all of asia you not marry a girl you marry a family if you are lucky and if you are not lucky then you end up marry to a whole clan or tamboon or village... So many sisters and aunties and uncles and cousins and such that need items....

I do not agree the only way to minimize it is to get involved with a rich girl or a well off girl however. There are families and girls and such that are realistic, understanding, and co operative, just hard to find those types.
But Tansak,

You haven't had enough long term Thai GFs to know how different it can be.
One of my ex-GFs had to support her family, but I was not involved at all. She worked as a chef outside Thailand and had to support her mother plus others.
So a reasonably self supporting girl is definitely a better option for the guy. I helped support her by not making her pay a share of various things but left her to support the family.

ML

Striker34

03-15-09, 16:08

Thai TV is largely a cartoon, filled with silliness and hardly reflective of real life in this country.

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Surely if this were true there would not have been such of an uproar by the Thai airline cabin crew (hi-so / try-so girls) over the antics on the show about the airline? :-)

Dardo

03-16-09, 03:29

You haven't had enough long term Thai GFs to know how different it can be.

One of my ex-GFs had to support her family, but I was not involved at all. She worked as a chef outside Thailand and had to support her mother plus others.
So a reasonably self supporting girl is definitely a better option for the guy. I helped support her by not making her pay a share of various things but left her to support the family.Jeje A girl who actually wants to work. I think this is very different from most LB girls who are used to make money just getting drunk and having some sex from time to time.

Opebo

03-18-09, 13:19

...There have literally been hundreds of stories over the years about guys buying the farm for their TG and her family.

I'm deeply interested in this issue even though I've never really been mooched from, simply because I am so cheap and live in dire fear of ever being mooched from.

I think one reason these fellows are so easily conned is that they tend to come to Thailand to sort of lord it over some poors and pretend they're better off than people know them to be back home. Basically working guys can come and pretend to be the big man. It lasts a while, but like all hubris, has a sad end. I'm sure it will come as no surprise to anyone that I've always preferred the cheap and humble approach.

I do have one regular who tends to 'touch' me a bit financially - and by that I mean what was originally a 500 baht short time at the brothel became 700 when she stopped working at that venue and was available only by phone; and then over the years she started to squeeze me for as much as 1,000 (begging when I was in the middle of banging her, if you can imagine!). Even on a few firsts-of-the-month when her rent has been due she'll dare to beg for 1,200 or 1,500. All this is very annoying, but I've put up with it to a certain degree because we live in a small town where the hooker options are just atrocious. She's basically the only cheaper one who is reasonably good looking and fun in bed. I have managed to sort of normalize things by standing my ground/putting my foot down (weak though I may appear to be), and now we're pretty much solid at 700 for regular short times and 1,200 on the one just before or at the first of the month. I guess it isn't an unreasonable compromise, I just hate the feeling of ongoing involvement.

Daddy07

03-18-09, 13:35

...I have managed to sort of normalize things by standing my ground/putting my foot down (weak though I may appear to be), and now we're pretty much solid at 700 for regular short times and 1,200 on the one just before or at the first of the month. I guess it isn't an unreasonable compromise, I just hate the feeling of ongoing involvement.
Why don't you just admit it, Opebo ... You are jai dee. :)

Slylock

03-19-09, 00:39

All this talk of Thai ladies and their families being wallet Hoovers has made me decide to tell a little story of mine...

It was a few years back when I was in the town of Hat Yai. I meet this nice Lady, 28, at one of my favorite bars. We got to talking and have a fun time. We kept in touch when I went back to Kuala Lumpur and meet up several times here and back up in Hat Yai. She is from a small village on the east coast near Sumi. I had heard alot about her family and her daughter and her recently dead husband. With the death of her husband she had to come to Hat Yai to work... Anyways we started falling for each other. After about 6 months she brought up money, how much she needs to send home each month to keep her kid in school and the house kept together. Well of course from all of the talk about keep your wallet safe, I broached the subject politely and in a way that I thought was ok... but she took offense that I thought she wanted money from me. She told me, 'I can take care of myself and my family.' After this our relationship went down hill and eventually ended. This story of course is quick and is only to make one point...

Becareful, but not stupid. People are inherently good it is only their situation that makes them bad. Because I was so worried about this "Thai Hoover Problem" I lost someone I deeply cared for.

just my 2cents

Slylock

ps she was not P4P

NicFrenchy

03-19-09, 02:28

Well of course from all of the talk about keep your wallet safe, I broached the subject politely and in a way that I thought was ok... but she took offense that I thought she wanted money from me.

Some subjects, especially with non P4P are not to be talked about... even "broached".
Guess you learned the hard way! LOL

But you know, 2 of my Staff (ladies) are single and looking for a Farang Boyfriend. When I asked them why they very honestly said that because a Thai man cannot pay for the lifestyle they want.
Now even if they say that in our Office setting, I am sure they would react the same as your girl if their boyfriend ever talks about them wanting money.

I think that any Foreigner getting in a relationship with a Thai Lady needs to not overthink things too much, just go with the flow.

Slylock

03-19-09, 03:57

Some subjects, especially with non P4P are not to be talked about... even "broached".
Guess you learned the hard way! LOL

But you know, 2 of my Staff (ladies) are single and looking for a Farang Boyfriend. When I asked them why they very honestly said that because a Thai man cannot pay for the lifestyle they want.
Now even if they say that in our Office setting, I am sure they would react the same as your girl if their boyfriend ever talks about them wanting money.

I think that any Foreigner getting in a relationship with a Thai Lady needs to not overthink things too much, just go with the flow.

This was just a quick story to illustrate the simple point that not all Thai woman are after money, and not to be so damn guarded. When I say broach, I mean I replied to her telling me how much she sends home. The conversation was more along the lines, of wow thats alot of money for two people, How do you ever afford that? This was during a time we where contemplating whether she would move down to KL. So she needs to send home 20,000 THB every month, she wants to move to KL, no job... what was i supposed to think? Little did I know she was job hunting in KL, but where would she get a job making 2,000+ MYR per month with no university? So my question was two pronged, one: does she want money from me and two: how can I help her with finding work.

Because of the stereo typing of money grabbing Thai girls I assumed she wanted money and she assumed that I was worried she was a user... now I hope that is more transparent to the issue. Also alot of the generalizations made where about non P4P, look at OTH comments (no disrespect OTH).

My whole point is Take It Easy... because you never know what you might end up fucking up! The search for a good woman is difficult everywhere, but the reason alot of men choose to search in Thailand is because the reward is much greater then at home or other places. So just take it easy...only start to worry if uncle Prat's buffalo gets sick lol.

With all respect

Slylock

Barko

03-19-09, 04:12

ps she was not P4PSubject of money, when it comes around to the idea of long term care giving, it's massively difficult for them to tell you exactly what they need. Hyper-sensitive, trying to pass nonverbal cues to you so you can understand and communicate your ideas back, it's touchy, very touchy.

All in all, they expect you to read their minds. If you can't do it, it's your fault, (of course.)

[!Ann Landers: server enabled+zero conflict emulation; enter] Next time, try the 'we' word (laow) to avoid trouble, in other words, anything but the 'you' word. I. E. "When I am here, 'we' need this much, when I am not here, 'we' need that much. " Look at her in the eyes, lightly lifting brow and smiling, ever so slightly turning your ear like the good mafia don you are, (non-verbal cues, just like daddy.) Not only will you see what they are made of, they will open up. [/! Ann Landers]

NicFrenchy

03-19-09, 07:19

...only start to worry if uncle Prat's buffalo gets sick lol.

And if Cousin Somchai's and Brother Song's Buffaloes also get sick at the same time, RUN.... fast.

Dardo

03-19-09, 11:45

Well, I thought it would be nice to write a follow on, on my last post.

After 15 days I took a look at her bar and found her. Surprisingly she was in good mood and we ended having a very good night together. Next day happened the same, with some annoying details as her paying somethings (refusing me to pay them) and having great sex in the evening, with a lot of rounds (before she always tried to sneak away after the first time).

Now the boyfriend idea is over and we are only friends but with a very good connection. Maybe now as she keeps with her life and her work, something can come up from this, although I see this possibility very slim, as the LB scene is so changing.

What can I say, this is exactly what I wanted from the beginning, so now I'm a happy customer. Let's see how long it lasts.

Ozirob

03-19-09, 12:56

I think that any Foreigner getting in a relationship with a Thai Lady needs to not overthink things too much, just go with the flow.

You are right Nic, Its the "thinking too much" that sends you round the twist.

They have a totally different mindset to us (westeners). Its not wrong, just different. Get used to it and as Nic says: go with the flow. I would say: enjoy the ride!

Ozirob.

Barko

03-19-09, 16:42

enjoy the ride!

Ozirob.OK, don't say I didn't warn you.

Sorry, this is a long winded thing, I suspect that 99% of you won't read it, but this story reflects the reality of just trying to 'enjoy the ride'. Stickman dot com is full of these, but I think you will like this one though, it's out there, totally typical of Thailand, and yeah, it's OK to chuckle a bit if you want, I know I do every time it is told (sorry also for any typos, I'm just going to hammer this sucker out):

Lawyer buddy, expat, long time friend in BKK from San Francisco, a firm Jr partner, 38 yrs old, does business legal for expats, is good at it. We will call him 'Jack'

Jack's girlfriend from Ubon Ratchathani, beautiful, doesn't look Isaan at all, very Hi-So, very quiet, perfect manners, well dressed, speaks English. Let's call her 'Jill'.

Jack and Jill had a 2 year relationship, and in fact, had been living together for 1 1/2 years, they had social connections with lots of Thais and farangs, they attended both casual and business parties often. SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) for a nice promising 'up and coming' legal exec in BKK.

One night, after work, Jack came home to his condo (in a swanky riverside area of Thonburi.) His black 2003 Camry, that he had purchased new, was gone, and so was Jill, along with a ton of their stuff. There had been no arguments, no mixed words, no nothing. Jack called Jill's parents and her sisters, no ideas at all, apparently, she had totally disappeared. Jack then called the police.

Nothing. Police had nothing, and no clue to anything. "Mia bpai laeow" Girlfriend took off, it happens thousands of times a day all over the Kingdom of Thailand, and certainly not a whole lot the cops can do.

Well, of course, Jack is distraught, completely deranged, thinking Jill was kidnapped or worse. At this point he is waiting for the ransom note, and he was sure that it was forthcomining, praying to high heaven for it to come soon.

Ten days later, Jack gets a call from the police. His Camry had been involved in a serious accident, a female was driving; the girl is OK, minor injuries, a broken nose, and she was now waiting there at the police station for someone to come deal with everything. The accident had been her fault.

Jack runs to the police station, and HELLO, the girl is NOT Jill. The girl there at the station is frantically trying to call some Thai guy that had given her the car. A half hour later, the Thai guy arrives on the scene, immediately realizing what is going on, he panics, and tries to run away into the night, the theretofore unknown Thai girl screaming at the top of her lungs for the Thai guy to come back, (of course) The cops, knowing that something smelled fishy in Rayong, run out and grab the Thai guy. Thai guy then frantically makes some calls from his cell, something short winded, like, "I am at the police station, the car has been in an accident. " Again, within a half hour, Jill then arrives on the scene at the police station.

So here we are now: Jack, Jill, the Thai guy, and a Thai girl, all separated into different rooms at the police station. The police are all laughing their asses off, the story is already making the rounds and all the cops what to come take a look see for themselves. Cop party at station ensues.

As it turns out, Jill had been two timing Jack with her long time Thai boyfriend, they had been BF & GF since the age of 16. OK, yeah, well sorta.

Jill stole the Camry from Jack, (along with a ton of Jack's jewelry, credit cards, clothes, etc.) She then gave the car to the Thai guy, her long time BF. Two days later, the Thai guy told Jill that he had sold the car to his uncle, and that his aunt and uncle were going to pay cash for the car in a month. In truth, however, the Thai guy had actually given the car to HIS real girlfriend, (some 15 yr old chick from Chai Nat that didn't know how to drive.)

Now, just to clarify things, the 15 yr old GF of the Thai guy, was the one in the accident, running the car into: two cars, a power pole, a gas pump, and nearly killing 3 pedestrians, all while trying to negotiate pulling into a gas station for gas.

As it turned out, the Thai guy, wanting to impress his 15 yr old honey with just how amazingly cool he was, had essentially forced Jill into making the final killing of the golden goose, (relationship with Jack) saying that it was time to get married and have kids. But in reality, all he wanted was Jack's car to give to his real GF.

Now. You ready?

The car insurance company canceled the policy when it was discovered that a minor was driving the car, they refused any involvement whatsoever. Jack was stuck with all of the payment for damages: to the gas station, the two cars, the electric pole, the hospital for the 15 yr old Thai chick, and finally, for all of the Camry repair bills.

Jack's law company tried to sue the insurance company, but the case was going to take months, if not years, to hammer out. Stolen by girlfriend: iffy, had to be proven; given to BF, ditto, had to be proven; given to 15 yr old GF, etc.

Now, what do you do if you are Jack? .

Well, Jack paid off everything, bought a new black 2008 Camry, let Jill keep the now fixed old Camry, and is still desperately trying to figure out a way to get Jill back.

OK now, Jack is a really good friend, he is a super super nice guy. Everybody has tried to steer him straight and get him back to right, but Jack is Jack. He is now one of the biggest playboys in BKK, has hundreds of phone numbers on his cell, but he STILL hasn't forgotten Jill. He still wants her back.

For those of you that read this thing the way to here, good for you: This IS Thailand guys, AND YES, this story is all about the REAL Thailand, be cunning, be careful, and for crap's sake be aware of WHO you are (stone cold patsies) and WHERE you are (ripoff land.)

There are billions of girls in the world, a broken heart from a bit of 'safety net' planning is far better than a totally broken life. Period.

Amjeck

03-19-09, 18:31

Sorry, gentlemen. I am 100% correct on this one.

Family plays a major role in any relationship in this country, especially a long-term relationship. The only way to minimize it is to get involved with a girl who's family have money and don't need yours.

Very true. The important thing to take from these statements, however, is the word "minimize". Being with a girl from a wealthy family still doesn't ensure that her parents (family) won't hit you up for something down the road. It really is just a matter of time.

Unfortunately, Thais tend to take more than they give!

Opebo

03-19-09, 18:39

... Jack ... still wants her back.

This is the root of the problem - there is something wrong with the guy. As with all guys in these situations. One can hardly blame the Thai party in the situation for taking advantage of the fact that Western men are, mostly, doormats.

Daddy07

03-19-09, 18:53

...Jack was stuck with all of the payment for damages: to the gas station, the two cars, the electric pole, the hospital for the 15 yr old Thai chick, and finally, for all of the Camry repair bills...
I thought you said the moron was a great lawyer???

Crazykf

03-19-09, 19:55

Keeping a girl in Thailand can be quite expensive and will never work out to be a good deal on a per fuck basis.

If you are wealthy it can be a good option.

A superstar bargirl I went with recently says she is tired of being a bargirl and having to go with multiple customers. She would very much like to be a kept girl with a guy that is serious about her. But here is the catch. Because she is a top girl and popular, she currently makes quite a lot of money to support her whole family and is wanting to buy a little business for her parents to work in.

Guys have offered to keep her for 30K Baht per month, but its not enough. She earns a lot more than that per month currently.

So she wants it every way in her favour. Same money she can make in the bar but no work and wants the guy to be honest with her too and not "butterfly". Is this reasonable ....?

Of course not!

Bar girls just cannot give up getting the big money once they get used to it.

On the other hand if you can find a very poorly paid girl, she might be happy to be "kept" for a far lower amount. But then she probably won't be as sexy and as beautiful and probably doesn't even speak English.

But your big problem is that you don't get to "keep" just the girl. Its usually keeping the whole family inckluding hospital bills, house repairs, etc.

My recommendation to you is to collect a set of phone numbers of girls you enjoy. Then if you have collected anough numbers, then nearly always someone will be avilable. You then pay them on a per visit basis, strictly cash for service.
Will turn out that you get better overall service and use less money for it. The girls should even be aware of that other girls are competing for your time. Then they know they must give you a good time to remain a favourite. You will also get bored with them far less easily when they get rotated like this.

Believe me I have tried both ways (although girls I have "kept" were not bargirls) and set of paid Giks is much more satisfactory.Exactly, and in my limited experience even if you don't agree on a monthly "salary", but maybe a few limited bank transfers from time to time to keep in touch, keeping her well disposed and available when you come to BKK, the girl will find crafty ways (ie not buffalo stories) to make you choke up more of your cash for equivalent amounts.

She will pace the requests, gradually disclose her many needs (baby, parents, car, house in Isaan, learning a proper job,...), make sure you think she feels bad about asking for money, she will then also make sure you intend to continue to send money in the future, while she tries to get by on her own means (even non P4P maybe). Then all of a sudden, ooops! surprise! no more money and the vicious circle resumes. There's just no way out of it until you say stop.

I made the mistake of sponsoring english lessons + some extra cash to start with, and then...there I am, having paid 110K over 3 months!

And she was still doing soapie P4P for (she says) 30K a month! So you can see how much those girls need/want, it's a bottomless pit.

They're so terrified of the day when you stop sending cash (they know it will come) that they have a very strong incentive to optimize their requests (ie make you pay the most you can without making you feel so used that you stop), they are just brilliant at doing this, and will use all means necessary (it's a great way to discover your weak points! look at the bright side...) They constantly coach each other on the best tactics to employ...

What a fool I am you will say (and you're right), but I was inexperienced and also my options were limited by the fact that I want to spend my next hols in LOS with her and not waste time looking for a pretty and gentle TG (not so many available where I intend to go, as I realized on my previous visit), who fits my criteria. I'm not sure what would have happened if I had said no to some of her requests, but I have the feeling she would have been much less available for our "big holiday". I'm not bitter about it (I don't blame her), but lesson learnt.

After the holidays, she says she wants 40K per month to stop P4P for good and get a decent job (earning 7K), yeah right.

NicFrenchy

03-20-09, 02:11

Wizard561

03-20-09, 02:37

I eat well, exercise, sleep well but somehow could not perform.

I wonder what the fuck is happening to me...

Nick, sorry to say, but your getting older, it sucks and not in a good way but its true, sorry to hear it mate, but it will happend or has already happend to all of us.... :(

Wizard

Member #3428

03-20-09, 02:43

I eat well, exercise, sleep well but somehow could not perform.

Last night I had one ex over at my place (long story) and we ended up in bed :D (as I was expecting) however, I could not perform more than 1 shot :(

She was clearly disappointed adn kept asking me why I could not root her 3 times like before. Tried again this morning and same same, could not get 100%. I fucked her, but I felt my dick wasn't 100% :(

I wonder what the fuck is happening to me...

We can talk at lunch, we left LL at 1 pm and we just finished our 5th, being long each time. She knows my reputation, and she has a reputation as being a performer, so we are trying to see who stops first. Of course she's 16 years younger then I but am doing my best.

Going in for my sixth... Hope to make it to lunch in one piece... Sure do need food to replenish the stocks... Glad to hear your buying today :)

NicFrenchy

03-20-09, 03:12

Glad to hear your buying today :)

Buying what? stocks?

Barko

03-20-09, 05:13

I thought you said the moron was a great lawyer? "Jack" is not a moron, hardly, and far from it. He is a UCLA guy that found that America had become not only a limited resource, but a total handicap for where he wanted to be in life ten years. (International law in the USA is a mess, you end up browsing paralegal compiled microfiche & Internet files, and in the stacks, all day, day in and day out. Then suddenly you find yourself stuck in a fucked up job making scale with no subscriptions and no attributable billing hours when you are 50 yrs old. International law in Asia IS HAPPENING! And Jack is on it.)

My point, of course, in iterating this (too complex for some I suppose) map to you, is that even the most intelligent and world savvy guys can, and will, get fleeced here. Guess you missed that part.

Guys fall in love, it happens thousands of times a minute every day. And, yo, it's hard to just fall OUT of love. You hurt, desperately try to mitigate it, and try to keep it going. Even if you know that there are going to be massively untested emotional ups and downs.

Jack isn't a hanger on just bullshitting his way through some pittance of an inheritance, a bar owner waiting to go out of business, or some other weak ass crap you see here so often. He has a real career here. He had no choice but to pay for everything right away simply to get all of the problems fixed asap, and move on. Lawsuits may come later. This IS the way of life here. If you don't know how that works in Thailand, you don't live here.

Also, may I safely assume that if you do live here, you don't live in the real nitty gritty BKK version of Thailand Daddy07? Otherwise you would know far better than to say something like that. It's tough to have any kind of a long term relationship here in Thailand.

Point: You have to be not only sharp, smart and cunning, but also need to keep a separated ruthlessness with whom you choose for a long term partner here in Thailand. Morons notwithstanding.

Barko

03-20-09, 05:50

I wonder what the fuck is happening to me.Probably just fucking disinterest. Too much cool shit going on in your life these days?

If you are really worried Nic, go get checked for stage one (previously called adult onset) type 2 diabetes. Hundreds of millions of guys live with it for all their later-adult lives and never know it, then face problem after problem and never doing anything about it. That's the thing they are looking at FIRST these days when somebody complains of sexual health problems. It's pandemic, one out of three of us farangs get it, so you do the math. It can be easily checked, regulated, then repaired with diet modification and possibly some light daily meds. Lots of times all you have to do is cut back on the beers, lose a little weight, and get more rest. (Beers, fatty meats, white rice, and not getting enough sleep. Sound familiar? TIT)
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Member #3428

03-20-09, 09:22

Buying what? stocks?

Bastard, I felt bad for you since you can't perform I took pity on you and picked up the check. Any man who can not perform in bed deserves to have me buy them a last meal. Hope to hell your massage works today or they will for sure think you are not a real man.

Nvslim

03-20-09, 10:24

Bastard, I felt bad for you since you can't perform I took pity on you and picked up the check. Any man who can not perform in bed deserves to have me buy them a last meal. Hope to hell your massage works today or they will for sure think you are not a real man.

You guys are cold. Losing the ability to perform is a tragedy and no laughing matter. In 1998, my pelvis was crushed in a military vehicle accident. I healed pretty well but the physical trauma left me with ED. The doctors gave me Viagra and Levitra which help with the erection problems about 80% of the time but I still have a lot of trouble ejaculating. Wife gets exhausted before I get my nut but she enjoys the extended workouts and regularly has multiple orgasms. On some occasions trying to get my nut, I get abrasions such as Nic had, which are both painful and uncomfortable.

So have a little pity for the poor guy as he ages none to gracefully.

Slim

Daddy07

03-20-09, 10:55

"Jack" is not a moron, …

…My point, of course, in iterating this (too complex for some I suppose) map to you, is that even the most intelligent and world savvy guys can, and will, get fleeced here. Guess you missed that part.

Guys fall in love, it happens thousands of times a minute every day. And, yo, it's hard to just fall OUT of love. You hurt, desperately try to mitigate it, and try to keep it going. Even if you know that there are going to be massively untested emotional ups and downs…

…He had no choice but to pay for everything right away simply to get all of the problems fixed asap, and move on. Lawsuits may come later. This IS the way of life here. If you don't know how that works in Thailand, you don't live here.

Also, may I safely assume that if you do live here, you don't live in the real nitty gritty BKK version of Thailand Daddy07? Otherwise you would know far better than to say something like that. It's tough to have any kind of a long term relationship here in Thailand.

Point: You have to be not only sharp, smart and cunning, but also need to keep a separated ruthlessness with whom you choose for a long term partner here in Thailand. Morons notwithstanding.

No, your point was not too complex for me, I didn’t miss it, and I certainly don’t need a map to navigate it. I’ve been a trial lawyer in the USA for the past 38 years; retired now but I still have my license. And, yes, I do live in Thailand now.

Look, I think I was being generous to your friend, Jack in describing the poor sap as a moron. We can all be stupid morons from time to time, and having been married and divorced more than once, I’m certainly no exception. At the very least, he must have a serious case of low self esteem if he allows him self to be treated like a punching bag by the system and person he “loves.”

Sure, guys fall in love, and take lots of shit from women, but once they find out that she just doesn’t love him back, most guys will suffer the emotional crisis for awhile and then move on while holding on to the shattered pieces of their dignity. Jack didn’t do that. That’s not normal. She must have loathed and despised him to do what she did.

You say he had no choice but to pay in order to get the problems fixed. I disagree. No matter how barbaric the Thai legal system may be, still, the “problems” were not his doing, but rested squarely upon the other criminal participants. From what you told us, Jack had already proved his case, and BTW, it wasn’t even his case to prove, quite the contrary, IMO. As you said, he had reported the theft of his property well before the accident, and the police were looking for the car. The miscreants were all rounded up at the police station and the cops got the full story. Jack was one of the victims – not the perpetrator. But if the barbaric Thai system “IS the way of life here,” like you say, then what the fuck is he doing practicing law here in the first place?

I think he paid up for no other reason than to try to win back the affections of his lady -- the one who dumped him like a sack of garbage in a land fill.

Finally, to answer your last “Point,” I can only say that if one has to be “sharp, smart, cunning,… and ruthless with whom you choose for a long term partner here in Thailand … Morons notwithstanding,” then a long term relationship is simply not worth it. I don't buy it, but surely if that were the case, only a moron would attempt it.

Barko

03-20-09, 12:02

only a moron would attempt it.Oh, I thought it was funny.

Jack, today, is in Shanghai on a consulting 'fam' (familiarity) tour himself, probably making enough this weekend to pay for all of the damages (except to his heart anyway.) And most likely getting in a lot of fine porcelain skinned, pink lipped, red-rope action going on up there tonight as well, young buck bastard.

Sometimes it's just easier here in Thailand to throw the stupid cash at the thing and walk (if you can afford it, Jack can.)

To that end, it really IS a funny story. Thailand typical, yes it is. Stupid Thai bullshit, of course! A moron he isn't.

I was going to say a buncha shit about myself here, doesn't count, so fuck it.

Also, I seriously recommend that you don't get into a car accident with a Thai while driving your Fortuner here in Thailand Daddy07. Your fault or not, guess who gets to go to jail, you or the Thai? After that, you simply MUST tell me more about Thai jurisprudence, but I think we can safely assume that you won't be calling a farang attorney to help you, will you? Of course not.

NicFrenchy

03-20-09, 13:56

It can be easily checked, regulated, then repaired with diet modification and possibly some light daily meds. Lots of times all you have to do is cut back on the beers, lose a little weight, and get more rest. (Beers, fatty meats, white rice, and not getting enough sleep. Sound familiar? TIT)
.

Well, I exercise Daily, I am pretty fit, eat healthy, no alcohol and no trouble sleeping.

I guess you might be right on one thing: maybe disinterest :(

Macheath

03-20-09, 14:03

This is the root of the problem - there is something wrong with the guy. As with all guys in these situations. One can hardly blame the Thai party in the situation for taking advantage of the fact that Western men are, mostly, doormats.Must agree - and the girl's given him a valuable experience to learn from if only he wasn't too blind to recognise it. Incidentally - what's a hotshot lawyer doing driving a five year old Camry! - could most generously be described as a family saloon, and surely a middle age option. Maybe Jack, like his car, was just too stodgy for the girl, so not worthy of her respect. Toyota sponsor the Camry Crows in Adelaide - also a stodgy disrespected football club - they sport horizontal licorice allsorts stripes which make them all look fat.

Daddy07

03-21-09, 03:04

About a month ago, I learned from her close friend that a very lovely 24 year old Thai go-go girl, who used to be one of my regulars, found an American farang, flew to California with him, and got married there.

At first I felt happy for her because I knew that was exactly what she was looking for, but on second thought, I also knew her quite well, and guessed that I would be seeing her again sooner or later. I had told her more than once that she wouldn’t like the US, as she is a poor Isaan girl through and through who would feel like a fish out of water outside the LOS.

Sure enough, last night the friend told me that my girl is at home back in Thailand, the short marriage apparently didn’t work out, and she’ll be coming back to work in the bar soon.

I can hardly wait to hear her story.

1Ball

03-21-09, 04:53

I can hardly wait to hear her story.
And neither can we, Daddy07, I am sure it will be interesting.

Macheath

03-21-09, 05:05

I eat well, exercise, sleep well but somehow could not perform.

Last night I had one ex over at my place (long story) and we ended up in bed :D (as I was expecting) however, I could not perform more than 1 shot :(

She was clearly disappointed adn kept asking me why I could not root her 3 times like before. Tried again this morning and same same, could not get 100%. I fucked her, but I felt my dick wasn't 100% :(

I wonder what the fuck is happening to me...But for the ex not you. If you can't get it up for her it's her fault not yours. You should restore her status to ex with the undeniable truth that she doesn't do it for you any more.

Of course it could simply be an overuse injury, for which the usual treatment is to rest the muscle. Very bad idea to consult the doctor on this one. At the very least you run the risk of psychological injury.

Q. Why do so many men try to resuscitate a dead relationship. Some even get married twice to the same woman. Pitiful saps.

Barko

03-21-09, 06:30

I can hardly wait to hear her story.All Thais have that terminal "homesick" genetic code hardwired.

I hope the guy didn't take her to his pea soup green stucco walk up apartment in Long Beach, that would make anybody puke and haul ass immediately. At least she lasted a little while, so maybe his pad wasn't really the problem. Heh.

Consider all the bullshit: Passport, USA marriage visa (OMG! ), airfare, wedding crapola, on and on. Not to mention tons of money for her parents and all the hoopla of "Going the America. " Big excitement turns to major depression. Then, whoa, hold the phone, she's gone. This is absolutely 100% Thai behavior. SOP. (Standard Operating Procedure)

He shoulda just taken the 'go go' STimer to the "Top Massage" on Sunset Blvd. In Hollywood, dropped her off at the front door, and told her "now get back to fuckin work ho, and don't call me till you got muh money. "

Thai P4P chicks. Good for lots of things, taking them home is not one of them.

Remember the song "She's a Beauty" by Fee Waybill (The Tubes) Daddy07? Every farang should have the words stamped on his forehead. "Don't fall in Love". This should be the anthem for any farang guy on his way to Thailand.

Oh, for anybody that was either too stoned or just plain forgot:
(It's OK, you can all sing along, no matter where you are. Ready?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CACcy9j2zN8

"She's a Beauty" The Tubes

Step right up and don't be shy,
because you will not believe your eyes.
She's right here behind the glass
and you're gonna like her,
'cause she's got class.
You can look inside another world.
You get to talk to a pretty girl.
She's everything you dream about...
but don't fall in love...

She's a beauty ---
one in a million girls,
she's a beauty.
Why would I lie?
Why would I lie?

You can say anything you like,
but you can't touch the merchandise.
She'll give you every penny's worth,
but it will cost you a dollar first.
You can step outside your little world.
You can talk to a pretty girl.
She's everything you dream about...
but don't fall in love...

She's a beauty ---
one in a million girls,
she's a beauty.
Why would I lie?
Why would I lie?

Yeah, I thought you'd like that.

Fucking California boy too dammit, he shoulda known better!

(Admin: Song lyrics & link = public domain and ontopic = applicable, OK?)

Francesco24

03-21-09, 20:19

Hello, I'd like to share my (ongoing) experience with a thai girl.

About May 2008 I made a profile on a free online asian dating site, just for fun before my trip to BKK on August 2008.

I really wasn't looking for a girlfriend nor a normal date (I had not many days available and also not much free time), so I just

Decided to send a message to some cute girls asking just for a 1 night meeting promising vaguely/jockingly I'd be generous.

Of the 20 or so girls I contacted, just one replied me, asking how much I'd pay her The following days we chatted a lot on messanger and only after some time we moved back talking about the "money". After some negotiation we settled for 10k bath for a night at my hotel (I know that's a lot, but she was cute and I was having really fun

Chatting with her often, alsno naughty stuff she promised she would do: P. So I was thinking "if I get bored in the next months

Before my trip I'll just dump her, while if I keep having fun I'll go for it)

So, the time of my trip come and our chatting was still a lot of fun so I decided to keep going to the end.

I met her at my hotel, she was really cute and wearing a nice dress and up to my room we went directly (she actually planned to have dinner with me somewhere at first, but I decided to cancel it couse I wasn't so sure of the whole thing and spending even more money: P)

Without going into details, I can say I had the best sex of my life, in both P4P and non P4P. One of the best blowjob (deep troath too) I ever had (at least on par with the superstars at Tulip or Eden), lots of really girlfriendly DFK and really partecipative sex. When she left the next day after lunch (she paid it with some of the 10k I gave herXD) I really felt I had set a new standard! And was already thinking about meeting her at least once more during my stay even if the price was too high for me.

Anyway, the next day I was at MBK checking my mailbox and I found a mail from her saying she had really a good time with me and would like to meet me again (for free this timeXD).

To make it short, she spent the night with me almost everyday I had left in BKK without asking for any money; the sex was still the best and I found out she also enjoyed anal to my delight (so far I had anal sex just with few girls at Eden and Tulip who, even if very into it, are anyway too much used to backdoor activity honestly)

Now a little more info about her: she is 29 y. O. , has a master degree in economic and started working recently for a big company (I've been to her office to pick her up after work many times); judging from her apartment and lifestyle I'd say she is middle class with not so much money at the moment (a question for you guys. What's the salary of a marketing graduated girl who just started working at a big company? I know it may vary a lot, but just a general idea would be fine! I never managed to ask her)

If you wonder about me. I am 30 y. 0. Myself, don't have much money to spend and not particularly good looking or fit (well, not bad looking either)

Anyway to continue the story, my trip come to an end and I spent 6 months home before having the chance to go to BKK again on January 2009. During this time, we continued to chat a lot on messanger, almost every weekend.

And on my trip on January I had a really good time again (this time she directly checked in along with my at the hotel and we were togheter everyday after her work), again no money involved or requested at all other than the obvious me paying for dinners.

Now I'm planning to visit her again on May.

Well, I posted this here couse it started like a normal P4P adventure but it went on a different route. Any comments on this aspect?

Sorry for my bad english, but I live in a country where english is tought in schools by professional idiots (italy)

PinkPearl

03-21-09, 22:37

I don't expect much disagreement on the following comment {not mine}.

A huge percentage of American and western women are selfish, flighty, insecure, needy and psychotic, and quite capable of concealing those traits during the dating phase

White 'career' American chicks are the bottom of the barrel marriage-wise.

Foreign women from South America, Eastern Europe, and Asia are at the top. Only guys who travel (in other words, guys who are successful and ambitious enough to travel a lot) find these. But they never, ever go back.

Foreign-born women living in the US are the next best. They get married early...they are highly sought-after by American guys for their wifely skills (hell, any women who has ANY ability to be a wife is better than your average American chick, who knows NOTHING about being a wife)

Bottom of the barrel---white American chicks. Yecch.

Here's a story: I knew a guy who was Hungarian (parents emigrated) who tried for 15 years to find a half-decent women to marry. He's a doctor, by the way. Finally after 8 psycho-weirdo US chicks, he went back to the 'old country' to find a wife. The people there were lining the women up for him to meet...he's a rich American guy...they are considered the best husbands in the world.

He found this lovely wife. She is a total gem, and he's happy as hell. 2 kids. Happily ever after.

I will go one step further and differentiate between Western women vs. non-Western women. This is not just an American phenomenon, most women in Western countries have that cold, bitchy, superficial, stuck up attitude. A lot of Western women hold themselves as the pure center of the relationship. If the men don't fit a rigid and unrealistic criteria or she doesn't feel the man can take care of her enough (even if she has a higher paying job) then she will drop him like a hot potato, regardless of his character or commitment to the relationship.

Popular Myth: Western men looking for foreign wives are only seeking subservient slaves.

Truth: Most Western men today are evolved and modern and truly believe in the 50/50 system. Most Western men are dismayed by the lack of sincerity of Western women. I can do my own laundry and cooking thank you!

Yes, Latin American and Eastern European women do make better mates because both come from more conservative and family oriented cultures where relationships and commitment are actually revered.

Member #3428

03-22-09, 02:54

You guys are cold... On some occasions trying to get my nut, I get abrasions such as Nic had, which are both painful and uncomfortable.

So have a little pity for the poor guy as he ages none to gracefully.

Slim

Nvslim, I have a hard time finishing as well, it's not easy to blow a load 10 to 12 times a day (I pity the girl that survives long time with me), but poor Nic nails 14-20 times a week, lives in monger paradise, has gik's out his ass, is a young baby cub compared to most of us and should be shooting 20 times a day.

He does everything he should be doing to maintain his firm abilities but it was hilarious seeing him sweating it out over lunch before his MP session to make sure his plumbing still worked. He had a huge psychological block and seeing his smile that his plumbing still worked after his MP session was hilarious.

Do not take pity on this poor bastard, laugh your ass off at him :)

Dardo

03-22-09, 03:02

Sure enough, last night the friend told me that my girl is at home back in Thailand, the short marriage apparently didn’t work out, and she’ll be coming back to work in the bar soon. Yep. I'm starting to see this is the habitual happening here.

The girl I was meeting has a new boyfriend. Third in 6 months (counting me), let's see how long it lasts. She was great to have fun & sex, but had a very difficult personality after that.

Daddy07

03-22-09, 03:40

...Do not take pity on this poor bastard, laugh your ass off at him :)
Yeah, I laughed until my face turned green (with envy) :D

Run Mann

03-22-09, 12:21

Hello, I'd like to share my (ongoing) experience with a thai girl.

About May 2008 I made a profile on a free online asian dating site, just for fun before my trip to BKK on August 2008. Decided to send a message to some cute girls asking just for a 1 night meeting promising vaguely/jockingly I'd be generous. Of the 20 or so girls I contacted, just one replied me, asking how much I'd pay her

Just curious as to which free online Asian dating site allows you to send free messages to 20 girls. To send and receive messages on many of these sites either you or the girl has to be a paying or premium (not standard) member. Unless all the girls you contacted were premium members.

Run Mann

03-22-09, 12:38

I don't expect much disagreement on the following comment {not mine}.
Foreign-born women living in the US are the next best. They get married early...they are highly sought-after by American guys for their wifely skills (hell, any women who has ANY ability to be a wife is better than your average American chick, who knows NOTHING about being a wife)

Bottom of the barrel---white American chicks. Yecch.

Truth: Most Western men today are evolved and modern and truly believe in the 50/50 system. Most Western men are dismayed by the lack of sincerity of Western women. I can do my own laundry and cooking thank you!
_________________________________________________________________

Yes, as anecdotal case study goes, this is pretty accurate.

Opebo

03-22-09, 18:27

...a hotshot lawyer doing driving a five year old Camry... too stodgy for the girl, so not worthy of her respect.

Ok sport. I can't afford a car of any sort, but I still purchase short times without getting enmired in con games. For what its worth. (But I suppose poverty is the best defense, eh?)

NicFrenchy

03-23-09, 03:43

should be shooting 20 times a day.

Sadly, this never happened to me :(
Even when I was jacking off like crazy as a kid

He does everything he should be doing to maintain his firm abilities but it was hilarious seeing him sweating it out over lunch before his MP session to make sure his plumbing still worked.

Yep, The chili peppers really helped me out with my 3 shot session @ dream Massage. The girl was cute and did not complain.
(she earned a very nice tip)

Do not take pity on this poor bastard, laugh your ass off at him :)

:( hey, at least I'm not gay

Macheath

03-28-09, 05:55

There are tattoos and then there are tattoos.

I wasn't talking about the type of popular tattoos that one would get possibly as a result of imbibing too much alcohol: i.e. those ridiculous Celtic wingie things that a lot of BGs get above their butts, or hearts, butterflies, names of BFs or any other stupid flight of fancy.

Buddhist tattoos, on the other hand are a very serious matter and the interest in them across the whole population has been on the rise, again for some time and directly connects to more interest in Thai traditions as a result of historical dramas such as Suryothai, Khun Pan and Naresuan. They are one result of increased nationalism and overall uncertainty about the state of things.I was seeing a Thai woman quite regularly in Melbourne until about 2 years ago - worked in a fairly seedy Asian place but about a head taller than the rest and much classier. She had quite dark skin and what appeared to be a dull reddish tattoo on her back, central just beneath the shoulder blades, maybe about the size of a cigarette pack or a bit bigger. Appeared to be a Thai temple design but very faded. Actually I don't think I noticed it the first few times I was with her, and later when outside she always had the area covered. Reading this brought the memory back so was wondering whether the faded effect was intended or whether maybe she had had a removal procedure. Anyway the effect was to my mind very appealing, and I'm no fan of tattoos - maybe this blending into the skin can only work with darker colouring.

This woman also used to go back to Thailand every few months - according to her to spend time in the temple and talk to her priest etc, have no idea whether or not this is true. Also used to go to Wimbledon and US open every year and talked about wanting to go to French open but had some hassles with French immigration. She used to travel business class and with more luggage than anyone I've seen - also had more shoes than anyone I've known. Had a lot going on in her head, which may or may not be the exception that proves the rule that Thai women have nothing happening up there.

Daddy07

03-29-09, 03:42

early last year, i met a cute 18 year old girl on thai love links. she has the slim body of a teenager, silky smooth pale white skin, small perky breasts, and a perfectly shaped baby ass. our first meeting evolved naturally into sex (of a sort). she had just started work at an oil massage shop in central pattaya, and giving hand jobs is part of her service. (sorry, no bbbj’s or fs) i like her sweet, bubbly personality; fortunately, she likes me too; and she absolutely loves my dog, so she’s become a regular.

every now and then when she needs some extra money, she calls me; i invite her over to my condo, where she gives me a good 1 hour oil or lotion massage with an extra good hj happy ending, all for just 500 baht. i like hj’s from time to time, and hers are special – a wonderful satisfying slow technique with lots of attention to the nuts. she always strips completely naked to let me kiss, fondle, and caress her lovely young body during the entire massage, while i relax and watch her in the mirror as she works. she’s always laughing and giggling while telling me about her young girl life experiences.

in this way, i’ve observed her bloom ever so slowly from a shy, insecure teenager, who couldn’t find a boyfriend because she thought she wasn’t pretty and men didn’t like her, into a savvy, hardened, 19 year old professional prostitute. she quit the massage shop several months ago, when she discovered (largely on my advice), that she could make far more money as a freelancer, picking and choosing men at the late night disco’s on walking street, going with them to their hotel rooms, and fucking for cash. she’s met several “boyfriends” in this fashion, and has entertained numerous proposals of marriage. and, of course, much to our mutual amusement, she tells me everything!

now, she can command 2000, 3000, and sometimes even 4000 baht for her short time encounters. luckily, she still provides her services to me for 500 baht. but, unfortunately, along with her newfound prosperity has come the inevitable unreliability. yesterday, after a long hiatus, she called me wanting to come over, so we made a date for 9pm. she didn’t show up and wouldn’t answer her phone, so a better opportunity must have materialized. that’s ok with me. i’m sure to get the complete story next time. my consolation prize was a quick trip to [CodeWord901] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901)’s to empty the bag.

i love thai girls – for short time only!

Dardo

03-29-09, 12:51

She’s met several “boyfriends” in this fashion, and has entertained numerous proposals of marriage.Great story. Obviously love is really a crazy thing. Thought it was more difficult more these girls to get a sponsor, but it seems the demand is quite good.

Opebo

03-30-09, 12:28

Now, she can command 2000, 3000, and sometimes even 4000 baht for her short time encounters.

I don't think 'command' is quite the right word for it. The fair price is of course 500 baht for a short time, or perhaps, if she really is absolutely top-drawer, and thus fits a certain market, and is lucky, and it isn't too low in low season, maybe 1,000. But if someone is giving her 2,000, or 3,000, or even 4,000 for a short time in Pattaya it is because he is a fool, not because she commanded it.

Another way to put it is that a prostitute lucks out when she meets a fool - she doesn't make fools out of normal men upon command.

Daddy07

03-30-09, 12:41

Member #3428

03-30-09, 12:57

It is quite safe to say, however, that she has met a lot of farang fools. :D

Well there are enough of us to go around that I wouldn't be surprised if she meet her fair share of ISG members ;)

M P Lurker

03-30-09, 13:14

But if someone is giving her 2,000, or 3,000, or even 4,000 for a short time in Pattaya it is because he is a fool, not because she commanded it.

Another way to put it is that a prostitute lucks out when she meets a fool - she doesn't make fools out of normal men upon command."Commands" simply means to get some amount fairly easily. There is not just one meaning in the Dic.

They may be fools if they can't afford it, but really aren't we all fools to pay for sex when we could just wank.

Personally I would be quite happy to wank rather than take a very ordinary girl. I would be happy to pay 2000 for something out of this world (but perhaps she isn't).

Chateau Petrus wine goes for extrodinary sums too. Is everyone that buys it a "fool"? Either foolish or have plenty of money to waste. Its only you rationalising what you can afford.

Barney Rubber

03-31-09, 01:29

Though I might not have as much experience as many here, I agree with OTH that Middle Class Girls may be the best place to find a Thai GF. I have spent summers here and developed some short term relationships with BG and middle class girls I met on TLL. The BG's have always needed more money for family, sick buffalos and numerous other things. They are also quite jealous in my experience if they see that wallet maybe going to another woman.

Some middle class girl relationships went sour, with s few GREAT girls, because I could not stay. The longest I had was 2 summers with 1 girl. But the girl I met last year, from Chiang Mai, was wonderful. College graduate, pretty, a car and house and a teenage son. She drove me all over Northern Thailand and introduced me to all of her friends and people at the Temple AND church as one of her relatives converted to Christianity. She did everything for me but wipe my butt. I met her family. Very nice. They had jobs and houses. When I got home, I received a post card from her every day for about 2 months. She sent small gifts and emailed every day.

Then about 2 months ago (I just found out) she had money problems where she was going to lose her house. She never asked me for money. NEVER! I was joking over a chat session that I knew she had another BF. I told her. You better tell me. Suddenly she said. OK. I WILL CONFES TO YOU BECAUSE I LOVE YOU! She told me about her house situation and said she was assisted financially by a old man. 75. Who was has cancer. Basically she became his nurse and he helped her financially. This is not a bar girl but she confessed she slept nude with him and washed him and cleaned him. She sent a picture of him and he was quite old and frail looking. Maybe he screwed her. Maybe he didn't. I don't know what to beleive.

She knows I am moving there this summer permanently. She has begged me for her forgivesmess. Says she wants to be with me. She is no longer helping him (according to her). She says she would do anythong for me. Including letting me have a BG for a night if I think she cheated me (which she still insists she did not).

This was a great girl. Who I could have even married. But sadly I think I may have to take a pass on her. I don't know what to believe but probably better for me to believe the worst.

So who are the best girls for GF's. I still think Middle Class but you still have to be a little lucky!Now she says she'll do anything to keep me. She knows I'll be there in less than 2 months and now I think she sees me as the atm machine so many of us talk about.

My dilemma is do I take the high road. Just leave her. The low road. She says she'll do a 3-some with me because I argued she was with another. I have the same right to pay-back. Or do I seek something in between.

We talked about the 3-some and she has already asked will I pick a pretty woman. She wants to go out of town because she worries about being seen in her town.

Over-all I am a fairly moral person. I think. Hahaha. But I have never been in this position. At this point this woman will do anythng I ask of her. So what do I ask? She also said she would do an orgy with me. But honestly. I have never done this. A 3some. Yes. A couple of times. But not an orgy.

What to do? Any advice?

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I sincerely appreciate your contributions to the forum, but...

Would you please refrain from WRITING IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!

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LittleBigMan

03-31-09, 04:08

Command is the exact word I would use! She isn't no fool, she has learn that there are enough fools as you guys refer too that would pay her asking amount to keep her afloat. So, there seem to be more fools out there that is paying her asking amount. All she has to do is throw out the amount a simple thing for her. If the fool doesn't want to pay it No harm! no difference if we quoted her 500 ST, if she doesn't take it and you're no fool no harm done to you and your pocket book. Just you're ego is bruised and that you are not as handsome as some of the other girls been telling you!

Now when it comes to Command, Daddy07, is in command since he still getting his for only 500 baht. Get down PimpDaddy07!

Daddy07

03-31-09, 06:25

Command is the exact word I would use! She isn't no fool, she has learn that there are enough fools as you guys refer too that would pay her asking amount...
Actually, she tells me that she doesn't ask for an amount at all, because she's still a bit shy, but she often receives 2000, sometimes 3000, and once even 4000 baht from a "jai dee" man. So, yes, she can "command" good money without even asking.

I'm sure she would be content normally with 1000 baht, and that's probably what she usually gets for short time, but there are plenty of guys (fools) who give her a lot more. Some of them fall in love with her, and some of those fools ask for her hand in marriage. I have to tell her to turn off her phone when she's with me because of all the "boyfriends" calling her at all hours.

I probably still get mine for 500 baht because she likes to play with my dog for awhile, and she knows she won't get more out of Daddy for a HJ no matter how good it is. The girl is just a lot of fun to be with.

Bob Down

03-31-09, 08:46

LittleBigMan

03-31-09, 09:59

Daddy07,
She could never charged you more since you're pimp Daddy07, how could she charge the man that broke her in?

Like I said you're the man in command!

LittleBigMan

03-31-09, 10:17

Barney Rubber,

Here is my take after reading your story! Run for the fucking hills and don't look back!

In theory I think OTH, opinions and generalization about middle class women are on the mark! but when it comes to your middle class women you think you have or had your story sounds like so many others farangs that got ripped off by a bargirl.

First, from your story it seem you came in the picture right in the middle of her life as she seem middle class. I got a lady right down the street from me that sounds like the same lady. She has a house everything as you listed and is taking care of this old sick farang. She has been with this guy for years everything she has he purchased for her and her family prior to that she was working in a bar when they first met. She gets a basic income each month for taking care of him now that he is real sick she starting to get worried if he passes since they aren't married and although she owns the house and car she thinking without income how is she going to pay all the expenses.

Now you come along gives her a time of her life with your big stick since the old sick guy can't relieve her tension like you can. I say look in the mirror and you will see the old guy replacement. As for the offer that you can have another women! if you take her up on that when you retired and come to Thailand make sure you get a box of earplugs! you want to see what OTH, is talking about a Thai women going crazy just take her up on her offer!

Since we are on the subject of fools.... don't be one and get the hell out of dodge that's the best advice LBM could give you!

Member #3428

03-31-09, 10:26

As for the offer that you can have another women! if you take her up on that I hope when you move to Thailand make sure you get a box of earplugs! you want to see what OTH, is talking about a Thai women going crazy just take her up on her offer!

I had a lady offer me a threesome and orgies and such to keep me in her life. We did, many times ;) .

Now she is not in my life at all.

If she's not being paid to do it, or if she is not Bi, Curious, or adventurous... then it won't fix a damn thing only makes the relationship worse. Atleast in my situations.

I gotta agree with LBM to run... however I'm a bastard, I'd take another dip in the pool atleast before running or try the threesome or orgy then take off for the hills.

1Ball

03-31-09, 12:50

... however I'm a bastard, I'd take another dip in the pool at least before running or try the threesome or orgy then take off for the hills.
Brother Rabbit, you make us all proud. How many of us were thinking the exact same thing.
Go in for one last stab, msake it a raunchy 3sum, then kiss her goodbye

M P Lurker

03-31-09, 12:55

A girl I know once told me how one of her girlfriends (working in Nana) went on a two week holiday in Phuket, barfine was paid for the two weeks and her girlfriend was getting 4,000 a day. I have had girls ask me to take them on a holiday but never considered ever doing it.
Taking girls on a holiday is O.K. and can work out cheaper than going to bars, but ...
1. 2 weeks is too long. Start with 3 or 4 days max.
2. You need a super sexed girl who is going to not leave you still feeling horny.
3. Watch out or you will wind up with a girlfriend quick and lively.
4. Not to be considered unless have known the girl for a bit and have spent reasonable hours together.

LittleBigMan

03-31-09, 14:08

Tansak KTV.

I think if one be offered a orgy, threesome with maybe her good looking friends I say go for it if you can get away with it no strings attached. But in Barney Rubber case as he described to us I don't think it would be wise whatsoever. Although your thoughs of getting it on one last time before he takes a hike is a excellent idea I suggest B.Rubber get on it and make her do things she never done before. Maybe promise all she ask and in return ask her to give up her butt hole in return. But make sure you use a rubber, it is your last name! Most women in that position usually promise you everything and tell you do it without a condom and next thing you know! shotgun!

Enjoy yourselves guys and stay safe! LBM

Barko

03-31-09, 14:22

What to do? Any advice?You know exactly what it is too, so:

Run. Run as fast as you can.

You think you might be in love? Love is just a nasty brine of electrically charged dopamine jamming itself into wide open, pretty faced, blind confusion receptors. And this thing sounds like it is going to turn into a confusion junky's nightmare fast. It is standard operating procedure (SOP) here in Thailand, the chicks know it, and they know all too well how to use it.

Also, for crap's sake, 'puhleeze' don't say, "Yeah, but she's different". What other horseshit is she going to "confess" to down the road? You don't want to hear it man, you just don't. Bail.

There's no excuse for any red blooded guy to let himself fall into that black hole, life is too short, don't let yourself go down in flames with it. And, WTF this IS Thailand, you can find plenty of other chicks and a five star spectacular '3 hole threesome', in less than three minutes, as well.

Sorry if that sounds cold hearted Barney Rubber, been there done that, and I think you know that this thing can only go one way too: Seriously wrong. TIT.

DG69

03-31-09, 18:53

Since we are on the subject of fools.... don't be one and get the hell out of dodge that's the best advice LBM could give you!

Imho, the last thing what a fool want to hear is a good advice. ;) Fools want hear confirmation that all the foolish things they do are wise and good for themselfs. Only own made experience make them wise, mostly expensive made experience....;)

M P Lurker

03-31-09, 19:20

Imho, the last thing what a fool want to hear is a good advice. ;) Fools want hear confirmation that all the foolish things they do are wise and good for themselfs. Only own made experience make them wise, mostly expensive made experience....;)
Normally we cannot learn from mistakes of others and need to make same mistake at least 3 times to learn properly.

DG69

03-31-09, 19:33

Normally we cannot learn from mistakes of others and need to make same mistake at least 3 times to learn properly.

Amen.

I had my share of mistakes as well...:(
On the other hand side, the sweet are not as sweet without the bitter.

Member #3428

03-31-09, 21:56

Brother Rabbit, you make us all proud. How many of us were thinking the exact same thing.
Go in for one last stab, msake it a raunchy 3sum, then kiss her goodbye

What can I say... You taught me well, it's all your fault I'm a bastard ;)

The problem is that when you go in for that last stab... they keep coming back for a few more rides with this fluffy bunny.

Normally we cannot learn from mistakes of others and need to make same mistake at least 3 times to learn properly.

Only 3 times :confused:

I guess I'm a slow learner :)

Barney Rubber

04-01-09, 01:29

gentlemen,

thanks for all of your advice. i think it's all good and well intentioned.

per a couple of suggestions i've already hit that "little brown hole" last year. it was quite delightful and while i am sure it is not he favorite thing. she gave it t me any tome i wanted it. of course it was after a trip to a hospital in chiang mai for few tests. but i did get ripped off there. it cost me 7, 000 baht for her test and mine but i think there was a big bill for the patholoma (sp) virus test. i know it doesn't affect me but i do not want to be spreading it.

i do always use the rubber but when i can be long time i prefer a test and bareback.

i know i should probably cut and run. i like this girl but i do know reality. i'll probably take her to pattaya for a week for a nice farewell. yeah the threesome will be a go i think for sure. she's a pretty girl. very tall and thin and she likes to screw but i know i'll miss her morning bj's. she's good.

i really had been looking for a longer time serious relationship. i am getting older. so my biggest regret is the time i spent grooming her. as i said previously. she waited on me hand and foot and was fun to be with.

the orgy is probably off. i asked her if her gf would be interested (she's smokin) but she says she does not want to ask. plus my good friend will not travel with me this year. and she said she wants me there because she is scared. i'd like to try. but? any ideas?

i think she will show me some lesbo action because again. she will do almost anything i say. i don't want to croos the line here and make her do. if i tell her she will do. if you've been with thai or asian women you probably know most will not wear tampax. they wear pads. they look like little [CodeWord131] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131) to me. one day i just told her. wear a tampax. she immediately went out and bought.

so again. she will do most anythng i say. but i do not want to cross the line where it screws her head up when i leave. so. any other suggestions appreciated. also. i am not vindictive. i don't want to try to screw her up. live and let live. i will move on!

i will keep everyone posted as the story progresses.

LittleBigMan

04-01-09, 03:01

DG69,

It's April Fool day! you're right! like my buddies they ask for advice all the time. When I give it they go the opposite direction from what I give them because as you say people ask for it but do they really follow good advice since it seems their ego gets in the way. No one likes to be a fool, made out to be a fool or told that they are a fool!

LBM

Bob Down

04-01-09, 07:38

Taking girls on a holiday is O.K. and can work out cheaper than going to bars, but ...
1. 2 weeks is too long. Start with 3 or 4 days max.
2. You need a super sexed girl who is going to not leave you still feeling horny.
3. Watch out or you will wind up with a girlfriend quick and lively.
4. Not to be considered unless have known the girl for a bit and have spent reasonable hours together.

Good advise, but it was not a story of my experience but a story that was told to me.

As for mistakes everyone is talking about, I am going to BKK to meet my mistake this weekend. It should prove to be a interesting holiday for me, I just hope she doesn't kill me and I have to travel home in cargo instead of coach.

Crazykf

04-01-09, 12:51

Good advise, but it was not a story of my experience but a story that was told to me.

As for mistakes everyone is talking about, I am going to BKK to meet my mistake this weekend. It should prove to be a interesting holiday for me, I just hope she doesn't kill me and I have to travel home in cargo instead of coach.I also arrive in BKK on Saturday to meet my very own mistake. I will try not to fall too hard for her (I would say she's my first non psychokiller/bitchy "GF", it's almost unreal to be with such a gentle woman).

We go to the beach for one week or more then back to BKK, where I believe my best option to reduce future sentimental damage is to make discreet visits to MPs etc, . And take phone numbers for my next time in LOS. And of course remind myself that once I stop sending her money, she will need to find yet another willing fool.

Sammon

04-01-09, 14:38

Taking girls on a holiday is O.K. and can work out cheaper than going to bars, but ...
1. 2 weeks is too long. Start with 3 or 4 days max.
2. You need a super sexed girl who is going to not leave you still feeling horny.
3. Watch out or you will wind up with a girlfriend quick and lively.
4. Not to be considered unless have known the girl for a bit and have spent reasonable hours together.

I have taken a massage girl from Pattaya on vacations. First time to Chiangmai for 5 days. We had a very good time.
Second time to Cambodia for 10 days. Although she was a fuck machine the trip was too long. Did go to Phnom penh, Angkor wat, Sihanoukville.
Third time we went to Hanoi for a week. This was fun. Went to many sightseeing trips including halong bay.
Good part is I had a Gf with me. Never felt bored or lonely. She is quite pretty and was good as a GF.
Bad part is cannot sample local girls. Being a monger used to sample many girls in a short time this was not good.

M P Lurker

04-01-09, 14:57

Bob Down

04-02-09, 08:36

I also arrive in BKK on Saturday to meet my very own mistake. I will try not to fall too hard for her (I would say she's my first non psychokiller/bitchy "GF", it's almost unreal to be with such a gentle woman).

We go to the beach for one week or more then back to BKK, where I believe my best option to reduce future sentimental damage is to make discreet visits to MPs etc, . And take phone numbers for my next time in LOS. And of course remind myself that once I stop sending her money, she will need to find yet another willing fool.

Without knowing, are you sure she hasn't got other fools sending her money already. My girl seems to have a habbit of finding large sums of money when she needs to, and I am not talking about 10,000 or even 20,000. I am talking 100-300,000. No point in fighting over how she got the money, you'll never get a straight answer. I just be thankful that it was someone elses money and not mine.

I look at it this way, I plan on seeing other girls so I have no reason to stop her from seeing other guys. I can't be there 24/7 to make sure she is not.

Macheath

04-02-09, 14:06

I don't think 'command' is quite the right word for it. The fair price is of course 500 baht for a short time, or perhaps, if she really is absolutely top-drawer, and thus fits a certain market, and is lucky, and it isn't too low in low season, maybe 1,000. But if someone is giving her 2,000, or 3,000, or even 4,000 for a short time in Pattaya it is because he is a fool, not because she commanded it.

Another way to put it is that a prostitute lucks out when she meets a fool - she doesn't make fools out of normal men upon command.I don't criticise you for sticking to your price structure but fairness has got nothing to do with it. Unfortunately, for all of us dependent on others for a living, we get as much as someone else is prepared to pay or as little as we're prepared to accept. Of course other factors come into the equation such as job satisfaction, danger, needs etc. I have no argument with a fellow wage slave screwing her employer for as much as she can get, especially when her job probably is seldom enjoyable and often distasteful.

LittleBigMan

04-03-09, 04:31

Macheath,

I have to disagree somewhat. I being a average joe who like you is a wage earner and beholden to others to pay the bills. I'm as one would say a Union Man, I believe if you take a job or go into a profession one knows the going rate he or she is going to make on that job. Although the job might be a stepping stone to a better paying job later as long as you take that job you should do the best while you are there whether you enjoy or it is distasteful! What use to bother me is guys taking a job like a Union job and getting a starting wage say to me why do I need a Union or I'm going to do less since I get less! When I was young there were times like many of you that you needed to pay the bills took whatever job you had to to get the bills paid whether you like the job or not but when something better came along you got out. I have all the compassion for anyone that has to work the sex trade as long as it is of their choosing but don't expect me to pick up the slack or overpay for something just because you are unhappy at what you are doing. When it comes to fairness it has everything to do with it although life isn't always fair! We all control what is fair, if Opebo, wants to stick to his price structure that is within his right if you want to be screwed over by a women that has promised you the best sex you ever had for 2000 baht and when you are in the room she turns to a starfish and that is acceptable to you since you have no problem with a fellow wage earner screwing her employer for as much as she can get then that is your choice.

What I don't like is a wage earner coming into a job with their eyes open wide being promised a wage and benefits. Does a great job and makes lots of money for their employer while they take get all the bonuses for doing a shitty job and then asking the wage earner to take a cut in pay and benefits. This is the same for a sex worker agreeing to all your terms to provide for your pleasure and when she is taking a shower you take off on her!

LBM

M P Lurker

04-03-09, 04:44

LittleBigMan

04-03-09, 10:14

Soap Fan,

You missed the entired point that I was making to Macheath! I was merely making a argument about his remarks!

Understand your own point that you're making and that is if you believe you have a skill level and personally deserve a special rate of pay that goes along with that skill and you can command that rate although the market is saturated with guys or gals like you I say more power to you!

But my point is that if you need a job and apply for a job and know exactly what that job is paying and what it requires you to do and how the structure of the job don't take the job and then complain about you should be pay more and if not I'll do less. In relation to P4P, don't stand on beach road and ask for 2,000 baht ST, promising the best sex ever and then play starfish when you get to the room. ( response to Macheath remark about screwing employer ) As to your point, if the women believes she has a special skill beyond what all the other girls on Beach Road is offering and constantly commands the prices she ask I commend her on her skills but like Opebo remarks about prices guys like us might now ever find out because I don't ever plan to pay 2,000 baht for ST.

I have worked with guys in the Union my whole life and there are always a few that think that are far above everyone else. But when a opening for management comes up they never jump into the pool. I have more respect for a guy or gal who I used to work along with that makes the jump whether they make it or not. But the people that claims they are the best worker and they can do this and that if they were the boss are usually the biggest loser since they are full of hot air and no action!

As to Miss Jip, you might need to speak to her and give some of your advice that at a place like La Belle, which you might say is like a Union, she is typecast as having dark skin and therefore isn't as desirable as a women with white skin by Thai's but she has "special skills" then she should freelance instead of being restricted by the management of La Belle. But if she is there on her free well and allow them to typecast her as being worth less then she has made her choice. Hope you see the difference. You might want to read back a few post.

LBM

Opebo

04-03-09, 12:26

M P Lurker

04-04-09, 02:31

Soap Fan,

You missed the entired point that I was making to Macheath! I was merely making a argument about his remarks!

I prefaced my comment to indicate I was making a different point rather than addressing your point.

LittleBigMan

04-04-09, 03:37

Soap Fan,

I got it! LBM

Macheath

04-04-09, 03:49

Overpayment, particularly gross overpayment like 2,000 baht, is almost always about one of various faults in the punter rather than anything special about the girl or her services.

If a girl offers extremely good services - for example hard bareback anal banging - I reward this not so much with a tip as by being a regular return customer. Sure, I'll give the good girl 600 or 700 instead of 500, but the main benefit she gets from geing a good provider is she always has lots of customers every day.I don't accuse anyone of overpaying or underpaying - my comment was about the issue of fairness, fair price etc. If you can get satisfaction with the spare change rattling around in your pocket then more power to you. By the same token the girl is entitled to feel insulted if she feels that the price is too low - we are, after all, putting a value on her as a person.

Also probably wasting my breath, but sometimes such things as empathy might arise - you might recognise another human in the transaction. I'm fairly ignorant about Buddhism, but we might rethink the issue of fairness if there was a likelihood that, in the next life, we would be peddling our own arses to the punters on beach road for 500B. Or then again maybe that girl that you're banging bareback for 500B is copping some sort of karmic payment for being a mean bastard last time.

LittleBigMan

04-04-09, 09:05

Macheath,

What you smoking? I like to get some of that!

LBM

Run Mann

04-04-09, 09:37

Also probably wasting my breath, but sometimes such things as empathy might arise - you might recognise another human in the transaction. I'm fairly ignorant about Buddhism, but we might rethink the issue of fairness if there was a likelihood that, in the next life, we would be peddling our own arses to the punters on beach road for 500B. Or then again maybe that girl that you're banging bareback for 500B is copping some sort of karmic payment for being a mean bastard last time.

I agree, you are wasting your breath or in this context, your time. There is a next life?

Dardo

04-04-09, 12:40

I'm fairly ignorant about Buddhism, but we might rethink the issue of fairness if there was a likelihood that, in the next life, we would be peddling our own arses to the punters on beach road for 500B.Awesome. If I had a next life like that I would play the starfish for sure.

Joe Cose

04-05-09, 14:05

Opebo

04-05-09, 21:21

Wealthy man considers abandoning wife and son to move to a country where he has no right to own property or reside permanently, because he experienced the poontang of a 40 year old prostitute sans condom.

Run Mann

04-05-09, 22:37

She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership.

Will not.

I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.
Joe,

If someone was asking you for advice about this, what would your response be?

Sammon

04-05-09, 22:56

Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. She has several regular customers who barfine her for blocks of time when they visit LOS. This is my fifth trip to LOS and the last couple of trips I have found myself more inclined to go back to my regulars. I met this particular girl in trip 2 and had a sensational time with her, superb GFE. She wanted more but I said I needed to butterfly, she said she understood. Ditto trip 3. On trip 5 I saw her and sparks flew. I took her to Isaan for a trip and every moment was bliss. I ended up going with her for 8 days straight. Now I am on a business trip out of LOS for 2 weeks but have arranged to see her on my return. She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.

I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced. BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.

Are you so lonely in life you settle for 40 year old around the block millions of times "tight pussy" woman ?
Believe what she says including she " loves you to death" literally?
Do you really think by investing in this migrant dormitory you will be able to earn decent income in "not Foreigner investment friendly" Thailand?

Take a deep breath and smell all the young sweet pussies in Thailand.
Fuck them, pay them, wine and dine them if you want but never fall in love especially with experienced con-lady bar woman.
Thailand is for tourists and mongers who come there enjoy the country , fuck their women and leave without any ties.
Asian pussies are generally tight for western dicks anyway. This by no means indicate less mileage.
It is possible you do not have a good marriage. But to leave because of this woman who literally fucked you with her tight pussy is not the reason.
You need to read up on some of the books or articles people wrote how their life is ruined by Thai women.
I feel sorry for you if you go ahead with what you wrote.

Piper1

04-05-09, 22:59

Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. ... BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.This is an old theme on ISG, so I had quick look at some of your previous reports to see if you were serious or kidding. You are serious. You sound like a bright guy (but c*unt-struck). You write good reports and you're obviously an old romantic. Don't fuck up your life and that of your wife and young kid by setting up with an old bar-girl in a land where you have no rights (as Opebo advises). Big mistake - you will pay emotionally and financially for the rest of your life. You're obviously on your second marriage and around 50 years old. How many ex-wives do you want? Stay married, enjoy your young family, enjoy your hobby. Works for me.
...this time I visited with my son who is in his mid-20s. Of course we are in Thailand for a general holiday but I want to show him a small taste of the delights. At the same time I am a little wary because he could be vulnerable on the emotional side.Take the same advice you would have given your adult son.

1Ball

04-06-09, 00:36

Joe Cose, your story is one which has been told a thousand times, with the outcome most always leaning towards disaster.

The following book has been mentionned many many times here in the forum, and should be mandatory in the front pocket of each airline seat that is flying to LOS.

"Private Dancer", by Steven Leather, though more than 10 years old, still rings true today. You can download it for free in PDF format. Read it from cover to cover, and it should be your bible.

If you cannot download it from here, you can find it doing a quick forum, or Google search.

Don't fuck up your life because of a tight pussy. Chances are she has already got several "partners" on this land which most probably doesn't even belong to her anyway, though it might belong to her husband, with whom she splits the proceeds.

http://www.conanstevens.com/temp/private-dancer.pdf

Good luck.

PS. The "I want you fuck me no condom" is a line which is as old as the hills, as is your reaction. These girls are pros at realing them in, and it looks like the hook is already deeply set. Run and hide, my friend, run and hide.

Ezinho

04-06-09, 02:40

LittleBigMan

04-06-09, 05:03

Joe,

The response that you have gotten since you're report which I personally commend you for writing, airing out your personal laundry for all to attack. There hasn't been 1 respond no matter how harsh that isn't correct by other posters.

For me I will give it to you like a man! Stop thinking with the little head! In the end you are giving up one problem for another problem that is on the otherside of the world. The grass isn't any greener in Thailand! You made your bed in the U.S. so now be a man and sleep in it! I'm a believer in it takes 2 and if you're feelings isn't what it use to be with your wife you might look in the mirror and take some blame. But most of all you have a young child that needs you and your love. He or she should be your priority!

When it comes to doing it without a condom, I heard this so many times and when fucking is going good doing it without one feels so good emotionally! When it comes to a bargirl and I'm not saying one can't change or shouldn't have the right to a better life. But if I'm right and I hope I'm not and it's not too late for you I suggest you cover up or get your dick nip so you can't have anymore kids. When it comes to Thailand with bargirls and being in Pattaya I see so many young and old Farangs with newborns. In my opinion and observation so many are taught you want your man spread you legs and have a baby! Personally this is my own brother case and he's having his forth baby this month! I'm waiting for a call one day from his wife telling me he put a gun to his head and shot himself and I wouldn't blame him! In the end, in your particular situation going without a condom is a way for her to make the choice for you!

When it comes to business, they all have good idea's but they see and hear but don't have a real clue what it takes. When it comes to profitibility there isn't any! No real appreciation in land or house that would make a person jump out and want to invest. If you want to spend money and help her have a better life and leave something for her so she doesn't have to stay in the bar or go back then do it but leave profit out of it.

In the end... take a deep breath and a step back and take it slowly. You might already be giving her money along with the others but that's your choice to make. You are thinking and might be making a big mistake leaving your family because the road you are traveling down now you might not have a choice of returning. In Thailand you can have 2 wives, I suggest you take up that concept if you can't live without that juicy pussy when you're in Thailand. Don't give it all up and then after a few months you sitting in the hot sun in the country saying to yourself " Is that all there Is "

Good luck, and cover up!

LBM

Giotto

04-06-09, 05:27

...
I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced.
...
Joe Cose,

I strongly recommend NOT to run a business in Thailand unless you don't want to lose a hell a lot of money. And - DO NOT PUT YOUR FINGERS INTO THE RICE BOWL OF [RICH] THAI PEOPLE! And housing/property is such a rice bowl.

BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.I think then you know where you belong. Don't even consider other options.

I would strongly support LBMs concept of having 2 wives. Your Thai friend knows that you are married and have a kid (hopefully), she will accept your wife as first wife. Make it clear from the beginning, that this is the only way it works.

Then let the relationship run as long as it works fine, and you will find out that after a year or so things look completely different.

Giotto

M P Lurker

04-06-09, 06:07

Then let the relationship run as long as it works fine, and you will find out that after a year or so things look completely different.

GiottoVery wise comments. It will not be hard for you to find another Thai girl way better than your bargirl friend. You just don't know it yet as your dick is doing the thinking.

Learn how to monger with girls and try a nice variety so you can compare your BG to others. Soon you may find she doesn't measure up.

Anyway, everyone knows you must take things very slowly and not make rash decisions in a hurry. I thought my last GF was forever, but after 3 years or so things went bad for reasons that I could not even fully understand.

Now I can see that there are other girls that are superior to her in many ways, even if not in every way.

Try to develop a cold hard calculating list of assesment criteria to mark various girls by. This is to prevent the small brain taking over.

M P Lurker

04-06-09, 06:10

I would strongly support LBMs concept of having 2 wives. Your Thai friend knows that you are married and have a kid (hopefully), she will accept your wife as first wife. Make it clear from the beginning, that this is the only way it works.

Generally great advice akthough I'm not too sure about the 2 wives bit being truelly workable. Might find it comes with far too many problems.

Then eventually you might not want either of them.

Giotto

04-06-09, 06:30

Generally great advice akthough I'm not too sure about the 2 wives bit being truelly workable. Might find it comes with far too many problems.

Then eventually you might not want either of them.Soap Fan,

You are right, I should clarify that it can work if both women live on different continents :) ...

Giotto

Finrod

04-06-09, 06:37

You might not enjoy your wife anymore, but you are responsible to your kid. Now you propose to abandon that for a bargirl past her prime. Really look in the mirror and ask yourself what that looks like. And be honest about it. With your domestic situation as it is, you should not be allowing your little head to do your thinking for you.

About doing business with the bargirl, this old saying applies to ventures like yours: the way to a small fortune is to start with a large one.

Fon Tok

04-06-09, 07:57

...But if I'm right and I hope I'm not and it's not too late for you I suggest you cover up or get your dick nip so you can't have anymore kids. When it comes to Thailand with bargirls and being in Pattaya I see so many young and old Farangs with newborns. In my opinion and observation so many are taught you want your man spread you legs and have a baby!...I've heard about two pregnant bargirls in the last few weeks. One of the girls has a 40-ish guy in Italy, who lives with his parents, now sending her money. And the other is shopping for an abortion as she "only did it one time" with the Irish farang, and he is long gone.

Run Joe, run!!!

Dardo

04-06-09, 08:14

Maybe now you are so involved that can't let her go, I now this feeling. Just try to keep your head above water if anything else. ie. don't involve money that is important for you and your family, and don't take any final decisions in relation with your family.

Someone said 1 year, it can be much sooner that you see things completely different.

Anyway first class advice by the other posters.

Macheath

04-06-09, 08:34

Somewhat off topic, but Joe's post reminded me of something I have said before on this site; the majority of guys that monger should not be mongering in the first place. They are just too emotional and dumbstruck by the pussy to be able to monger successfully. This is nothing against Joe, but in all seriousness, he should probably ask Jackson to cancel his membership to the ISG; this website and all the information on it is potentially dangerous for him.

Joe, find another hobby. Start a bottlecap collection, learn to cook, join a softball team, whatever. From your post, it's clear you should not be mongering.Although this report is too moronic to be true. I think a lonely guy wants a bit of conversation so comes up with this tale of stupidity which gets the attention he's after. Odds on that Joe will report back with thanks to all. He's seen the light and from here on will only have meaningless sex with youngsters.

Joe Cose

04-06-09, 08:35

Thank you everyone for your help, I already feel much better and wiser.

LittleBigMan

04-06-09, 09:12

Fon Tok,

In general, I bet the bank on this one that the girl that got pregnant by the Irish guy if he wasn't long gone she wouldn't be looking for an abortion! No support why have the baby what is the point? the baby is a means to have a better life. Remember I'm not trying to bash the Thai's it's done all over the world even in America!

When it comes to business, I don't think it is in any terms like running a real hotel like even the one Giotto does.

Let me explain what she is talking about! Like most poor girls or bargirls where they come from. They save alittle money and the first thing they want is to purchase land. This land is for them to build something for income and still live in it which makes lots of sense right. The concept of having a place to hang your hat for the rest of your life and roof over your head is a Asian concept that's why they own all the property in the U.S. and have tons of family members living in it.

Now let take her reason " hotel for migrant workers " from my experience I going to make some general quotes on how much is the land worth and how much it will cost to build it! Let say she pays 500,000 baht for the land ( 100 square meter or 2,500 sq. ft. ) she spends another 1,000,000 baht to build 6 rooms or hotel as you call it. The going rate of rent in the area regardless of condition is 2,000 baht a month. if they are full each month that's income of 12,000 baht a month and if they are full year round that brings you a annual income of 144,000 baht, which you should be looking at breaking even after 11 years. In the Western world that is not a good investment but to a uneducated Thai that looks good. But not good enough for a Thai bank to loan them money! It makes no sense even to a Thai Bank. But if they can find a Farang to invest to help foot the rest then it becomes a great idea! Like I tell my Brother wife, the idea sounds great but what is your business plan? They never have one and is offended when you a Farang ask but a Thai bank will ask the same questions? My brothers wife hates me because I know better and constantly tell her if you had to pay for it yourself would you do it? In the end if you want to help them build something for the future so they can pass it on. I say knock yourself out but in Thailand for a Farang never for a profit! The kind of hotel she is thinking and what Jose is thinking he will find out it's a whole different type of hotel! I have learned that first hand not only in hotels but many others business suggestion that I have been purposed!

In regards to 2 wives, thanks for the clarification Giotto! In Thailand the 2nd wife isn't really the legal wife, as they define it no papers! you die so does all her hopes for the future. Joe can help her out and see where it takes him and when he's in town he can still get that old juices pussy and test her loyality at the same time. If she is stringing him along with others in time she will show her true color and pick the best prospect. Meantime Joe kills 2 birds with 1 stone while still doing the right thing by taking care of his real family at home!

LBM

LBM

Slylock

04-06-09, 15:08

I feel like I may be beating a dead horse, but here is my two cents anyways.

5 trips to Paty is not actually going to Thailand. It is like saying I went to Vegas 5 times and stayed only at the MGM Grand. You really do not learn anything about the place, people or culture.

This lady may actually be in love with you, but are you in love? or lust? You probably have never received this kind of attention from any American woman (I never have). So it feels good and special. Which is the POINT of going to Thailand as a monger.

Stay with your wife. Chat with the girl in Thailand. See how it looks in 6 months. Do not give her any money.

If it is still the same then make your choice then.

Slylock

DG69

04-06-09, 17:57

This lady may actually be in love with you, but are you in love? or lust?

I was 23 years old when I visit Thailand first now I am 39 years old. I stayed at that time mostly 5-7 weeks later 3- 4 weeks and traveled through the whole country. From Chiang Rai to Hat Yai. I guess I were 20 times in Thailand. Mostly alone, sometimes with Farang Girlfriends.
I had alot of Thai girls, mostly freelancer. Very often the GFE was very deep and if compare to relationship with western women, the feeling that they are in love more likely.
But, that is just my impression. Thai girls are very good in gfe and give you the feeling that they are in love.
But, that is not true. They might like you, but really love you more than their family is very seldom.
Once I had such an experience, when I were in Phuket when I were 24 years old. How did I knew that she loved me? First of all she don't ask for money, even not for a barfine (she worked at a beerbar). Than she wrote me love letters after I part from her for Singapore. Than she told all people that I am her bf, so that even the owner of a Thai-Mexican Restaurant told me that she is in love with me. I didn't took it serious, nor did I appreciate, since I didn't feel the same for her.
Long speach short, it's very seldom that Thai bar girl, or freelancer fall really in love. More likely is that they get used to you and try to find a sponsor or some security.