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Gentleman Travel
04-06-09, 20:09
No, Joe, don't believe the nay-sayers1

She loves you, she truly does!
Making her an "honest woman" will change her.
She told me so, as she gave me a heavenly blow job -
"you cock too big Gentleman - but Joe has perfect small cock, I love it immensly!
I be his number 1 wife and business partner - it true love, like Romeo and Juliette (Marquis de Sade version)"

So abandon your wife and young child - go to your bargirl and save her!
Invest in her business proposition prosper and live happily ever after...

Best wishes,

GT


Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. She has several regular customers who barfine her for blocks of time when they visit LOS. This is my fifth trip to LOS and the last couple of trips I have found myself more inclined to go back to my regulars. I met this particular girl in trip 2 and had a sensational time with her, superb GFE. She wanted more but I said I needed to butterfly, she said she understood. Ditto trip 3. On trip 5 I saw her and sparks flew. I took her to Isaan for a trip and every moment was bliss. I ended up going with her for 8 days straight. Now I am on a business trip out of LOS for 2 weeks but have arranged to see her on my return. She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.

I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced. BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.

Carpediemyes
04-06-09, 22:10
Need some advice. I am getting deeply involved with a bar girl. She is 40, classy and works out of one of the better bars in Pattaya. She has several regular customers who barfine her for blocks of time when they visit LOS. This is my fifth trip to LOS and the last couple of trips I have found myself more inclined to go back to my regulars. I met this particular girl in trip 2 and had a sensational time with her, superb GFE. She wanted more but I said I needed to butterfly, she said she understood. Ditto trip 3. On trip 5 I saw her and sparks flew. I took her to Isaan for a trip and every moment was bliss. I ended up going with her for 8 days straight. Now I am on a business trip out of LOS for 2 weeks but have arranged to see her on my return. She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.

I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced. BTW, I have a wife and young kid at home but right now I have half a mind to just up sticks and go live with her in LOS.You are either a TROLL or a complete fool.

Thanks for the belly laugh.

NicFrenchy
04-07-09, 02:16
She says she has given me her heart and it sure feels like it. One day she said those little words that go straight to a man's heart, 'I want you fuck me no condom'. Her bar makes her check every month so not a bad risk for me, maybe more for her? Anyways I did and it was totally sublime, she has the most beautiful tight pussy. I go straight to heaven.

Dude, please oh please, WAKE the fuck up!!!
I have been living in Bkk for about 4 years and have heard these same words coming out of girls mouths countless times.

1. she does not love you, sorry. You are a customer and a potential dumb one from whom she will be able to extract money when needed (sick buffalo, motorbike repair, mother in hospital...)

2. the No condom issue, hahaha, this makes me laugh because 99% of the P4P girls in LOS do it with no condom with all their regular (unless the man refuses). They have no idea about STDs. And the monthly checks? well they can easily walk into a crooked doctor's office and ask for a fake exam.
Not many places actually pay for their own doctor.


I have been thinking I need some pretext to visit Thailand more often and she owns some land she bought 5 years before in Ayutayah. She wants to build a hotel for migrant workers on it. I am thinking this could make a good business partnership. I am planning to visit the land with her and make some investigation about the profitability of the whole thing. I would not need to put in a significant part of my wealth. She has a good strong character for business but very inexperienced.

Careful... be very very careful. This is Thailand you are investing in. All the papers will be on her name (the Land for sure) so you must be very cautious.
As far as the hotel is concerned, she could wait until it is built, maybe a few years later ask for astronomical rent. This will drive the business to the ground and one of her "cousins" will buy it cheap. then you'll be out the picture.

Be very careful and no matter what you do, hire a lawyer to look at all the papers (all will be in thai)

Good luck anyway

Run Mann
04-07-09, 09:21
Thank you everyone for your help, I already feel much better and wiser.

In case you missed it, Joe said he's got it.

Piper1
04-08-09, 01:24
great advice although I'm not too sure about the 2 wives bit being truly workable. You might find it comes with far too many problems. e.g. two mothers-in-law. ;)

Dickhead
04-08-09, 03:29
( 100 square meter or 2,500 sq. ft. )

Not. A meter is 39 inches or 3-1/4 feet or 13/4 feet. Square both the numerator and the denominator = 169/16 = 10.5625 square feet per square meter. Ergo 100 square meters is 1,056.25 square feet.

I feel so much more manly now that I have a 15.24 centimeter dick instead of a six inch one. The metric system rocks!

LittleBigMan
04-08-09, 04:13
Thanks for the math lesson Dickhead. Not being good with numbers I read this somewhere so I used it for a quick quote to my post. For a while you were BigDickhead!

LBM

LittleBigMan
04-08-09, 11:09
Personally, I don't know how the Thai guys do it? The guy across the street from me is fat and ugly which I should talk when it comes to looks. But I found out the Thai soap opera on this guy. I always though he had 1 wife which is the one I always see but now I find out the young white skin cutie I have seen many times isn't really part of the family but his second wife on top of that he drives up one day in his nice Toyota Hilux and his windows are broken in the back like 2 bricks or rock were throw through them. The story now is that he just got another women pregnant which came over to his house and all hell broke through. Where the fuck was I? I was home all day and missed on the excitment!

LBM

Spivey24
04-09-09, 00:18
I met a girl in Pattaya last month. She worked at a legit massage place (if there is such a thing in Pattaya). Very sweet girl, great english, nice bod. Took her out after seeing her for massages for a few days, and had a great time at the disco, and back at the hotel. We are still emailing and talking - nothing serious, just bs. She is definitely great to take my mind off my current life and semi-girlfriend and does a very nice gfe, but I know the routine, been there before.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now, she hasn't asked for a dime, but did hint at some bad luck she was having. I know whats next, and that will be the quickest way for me to get over her.

I do want to go back to see her though. Don't want to lie too much, but not sure how to play it and still have other fun. Thinking of coming in for 3 weeks and only telling her I am there for a week. Take her on a trip or something. I really enjoy a mix of gfe and short timers I can kick out, so she fits the gfe very nicely. I get bored of bar girls after a while, and look for more of a connection.

Like I said, she is very nice, so I am not looking to screw her over or leave her bitter - just want to have my cake and eat it too. Any suggestions?

NicFrenchy
04-09-09, 02:25
I met a girl in Pattaya last month. She worked at a legit massage place (if there is such a thing in Pattaya). Very sweet girl, great english, nice bod. Took her out after seeing her for massages for a few days, and had a great time at the disco, and back at the hotel. We are still emailing and talking - nothing serious, just bs. She is definitely great to take my mind off my current life and semi-girlfriend and does a very nice gfe, but I know the routine, been there before.

I'll give her the benefit of the doubt for now, she hasn't asked for a dime, but did hint at some bad luck she was having. I know whats next, and that will be the quickest way for me to get over her.

I do want to go back to see her though. Don't want to lie too much, but not sure how to play it and still have other fun. Thinking of coming in for 3 weeks and only telling her I am there for a week. Take her on a trip or something. I really enjoy a mix of gfe and short timers I can kick out, so she fits the gfe very nicely. I get bored of bar girls after a while, and look for more of a connection.

Like I said, she is very nice, so I am not looking to screw her over or leave her bitter - just want to have my cake and eat it too. Any suggestions?

So you are sick of Bar girls and think you'll get more of a connection with a massage girl? that's a little Funny :D

Anyway, keep it simple and please don't send her money. I am always amazed about these guys who fall in love with the first P4P girl they meet.

Good luck with your trip

Spivey24
04-09-09, 04:02
So you are sick of Bar girls and think you'll get more of a connection with a massage girl? that's a little Funny :D

Anyway, keep it simple and please don't send her money. I am always amazed about these guys who fall in love with the first P4P girl they meet.

Good luck with your trip


Na, no plans to send money. Nothing good can come of that. Not exactly a P4P girl either, and hardly the first.

LittleBigMan
04-09-09, 04:14
Spivey24,

Break it all down slowly and it becomes clear! Many girls who can't or don't like working in Bars or go go's learn how to do massages. Since massages are such a big think in Thailand the government even gives free lessons for Thai Nationals with license certificates. She might be working in a legit massage place now but where she learn how to speak English and use the Internet well. In general, most Thai women who never has worked in a Bar or GoGo etc.. or have had little interaction with Farangs would hesitate somewhat before going off with you. She has done this in a different scale before.

In my earlier days, I use to take out some of the massage girls down Soi 4, from Nana for dinner etc... during my foot massage within the conversation if they are interested they strike up ' where you go " I would meet them for dinner etc.. and they always never had a problem coming back to my room. In the morning I usually give them money just like a bar girl etc... except I say here is some money for shopping. Personally, I have no problem as I said before that everyone deserves a second chance in life people have to do what they have to do to get by.. but at times a massage place is just another venue to work out and set things up. If she shows her colors she will eventually head down the road asking for the same things a bargirl will!

Guys beware of this line too! Oh I have been doing this for only 1,2,3 days!

Good luck and take it slow! LBM

NicFrenchy
04-09-09, 04:29
Na, no plans to send money. Nothing good can come of that. Not exactly a P4P girl either, and hardly the first.

ok, I hope it works well for you mate.

Spivey24
04-09-09, 04:39
Break it all down slowly and it becomes clear! Many girls who can't or don't like working in Bars or go go's learn how to do massages. Since massages are such a big think in Thailand the government even gives free lessons for Thai Nationals with license certificates. She might be working in a legit massage place now but where she learn how to speak English and use the Internet well. In general, most Thai women who never has worked in a Bar or GoGo etc.. or have had little interaction with Farangs would hesitate somewhat before going off with you. She has done this in a different scale before.


Well put LBM. Good points to consider.

Dardo
04-09-09, 06:26
Like I said, she is very nice, so I am not looking to screw her over or leave her bitter. Just want to have my cake and eat it too. Any suggestions? It depends on the girl, but most are looking for a long term relationship not just a week of fun. So, if you don't want to screw her maybe you should speak with her about this.

Anyway, many bar girls are going to give you a genuine GFE if you choose then right, and you'll have peace of mind because you're paying them for their time. So really no need to be bothering yourself too much about this.

I don't think a relationship is necessary bad, but you need to have quite good pockets to start something like this, and be willing to dump all the money that you invest on her.

NicFrenchy
04-09-09, 06:59
right, now with all these p4p stories i thought it would be a nice change to write about my encounter last night.

for those interested in the story, it starts here:

an ex-gik of mine whom i still see as a friend (or let’s say we no longer fuck) wanted to introduce me to another friend of hers, a 19 years old, very good looking girl. i was not so sure what the deal was but i have the feeling that the lady is still a virgin and that her friend wanted to introduce me as being a “nice guy”.
i wasn’t very interested to be honest but the girl’s face was so cute that i could not really resist. her body was ok (nothing fantastic, if anything she is way too thin for my taste and has no tits).

we got to talking and her english is good, she tried to be intriguing and this actually made things interesting enough for me to want to pursue things further. now this lady isn’t very shy in the sense where she gets very comfortable in the presence of men but i could not guess if that confidence would continue in the bedroom (only time will tell).

yesterday we met at siam paragon and she was hungry so we went to have dinner at some posh thai place that was very expensive (for thai standards) and the food was very blend. surprisingly she had a glass of wine (i stayed with soda) and during dinner started talking about politics: what do i think about the actual situation, what is my view as a farang about the monarchy situation, what do i think of thailand in general compared to my home country… i clearly told her i was a guest in this country and that it was not my place to judge how things are done. i was never treated badly so i had nothing to complain about. however, in response to the question about comparing thailand to france, well, let’s just say that there is so much shit going on in france that i am not sure thailand will ever be able to catch up with our mess lol.

after a while i got the conversation to drift toward more sexual topics and i could sense that for the first time she was getting a little uncomfortable. i talked about relationships and the drama of my past relationships which she jumped on and blamed the cultural differences, asking if i made all the efforts to try and see things from the thai lady’s point of view. when things got more about “her” she said she was in a 2 years relationship with a thai man but that they were just going out only. so basically she was a virgin.

i pushed things asking her why she did not have sex with her boyfriend and explaining that guys need to feel the lady is ready to make sacrifices for them. plus, we need sex on a regular basis. she was funny, arguing that if a guy was really in love with her then he would be willing to wait as long as she wanted.
i had to smile and told her that women often think that they are the queens of the relationship, that the men always have to do what the ladies want and that it was not fair. this meant that the ladies don’t love their man as much then because if they loved us, they would do their best to help satisfy us.

i continued with the following question: “so you would be ok with a guy that does not have sex with you for 2 years because he loves you and is ready to wait, meanwhile he is getting his sex from another woman?” she did not really know how to respond to that and was kind of cornered so i decided to not press the issue.

we went back to talking about food and some other crazy topics before it was time to go to the movies. we were not really in the mood for movies anymore and she asked me where i live, if my condo is big? how is it decorated? (she was waiting for me to ask her back to my place?)
after her speech and now that i knew she was a virgo, there was no real interest anymore (apart from the fact that she had such a beautiful face)
i thanked her for her time and told her i was really tired and had to wake up early. she said she wants to see me again but i think i will pass. got a weird feeling about this one, the kind of girl that you sleep with once and then can’t get rid of any longer.

Barko
04-09-09, 11:43
Got a weird feeling about this one, the kind of girl that you sleep with once and then can’t get rid of any longer.Good move. A cute, but spoiled, self serving child. Why bother? PITA waiting to happen.

How many death star queens like that in Thailand? Millions. As far as I can tell anyway. But then again, in the last 3 generations of Thais, not many reach learning basic 6th grade tenets of "If/Then" axioms of human behavior, and they are not taught even the slightest idea about the subject in the home.

Thai women often falsify multi-targeted grandiose ideas for themselves, then create their way of life around the self modified corruptions, then suddenly find themselves living within a large scope of dire negative consequences as a result. And this, generally inherent, Thai cycle of ignorance, spins and spins ad nauseum, for both Thai men and women.

TIT, move away from the fire before it burns you. And this one sounds like a real piece of work.

Daddy07
04-09-09, 14:33
...an ex-gik of mine whom i still see as a friend (or let’s say we no longer fuck) wanted to introduce me to another friend of hers, a 19 years old, ... after her speech and now that i knew she was a virgo, there was no real interest anymore ...
maybe your ex gik was trying to get even with you for something, but i'm wondering what the fact that the girl was a virgo has to do with anything. are you superstitious?

M P Lurker
04-09-09, 15:03
Maybe your ex gik was trying to get even with you for something, but I'm wondering what the fact that the girl was a virgo has to do with anything. Are you superstitious?
Ooh I was once married to a Virgo. Definitely very bad! even if I'm not superstitious. :D

NicFrenchy
04-09-09, 16:32
Are you superstitious?

Not at all, I just don't like virgins, that's all.

Daddy07
04-09-09, 20:28
Not at all, I just don't like virgins, that's all.
Oh, "virgo" means virgin, not the astrological sign, now I understand.

I agree with you 100% about not wanting a virgin. I have one after me and I've vowed not to lay a hand on her. The last thing I want to do is break the heart of a little 22 year old virgin.

Yes, you should run like hell in the opposite direction IMHO.

M P Lurker
04-10-09, 01:12
Oh, "virgo" means virgin, not the astrological sign, now I understand.

I agree with you 100% about not wanting a virgin. I have one after me and I've vowed not to lay a hand on her. The last thing I want to do is break the heart of a little 22 year old virgin.

Yes, you should run like hell in the opposite direction IMHO.
Girls that are still virgins at 22 are just not horny enough.

When selecting a GF these days, I would NOT consider any girl who did not at least start masterbating herself from a young age. My ex-wife was a virgin when we met (and co-incidentally a virgo as well :) but not a Vegan), never played withself, did not know what an orgasm was like. Makes for a disaster girl on the bed!

Horny girls with experience are a much better idea. A girl you never have to ask for sex, she is ready for it at all times.

I mean us horny guys all starting wanking young, didn't we?

NicFrenchy
04-10-09, 03:07
When selecting a GF these days, I would NOT consider any girl who did not at least start masterbating herself from a young age.

That puzzles me... so what do you do then? ask them on the first date? hahaha

I see the conversation go like this: So darling, what do you think about the chicken? nice eh? an dby the way, at what age did you start to play with your "special place?"

M P Lurker
04-10-09, 03:21
That puzzles me... so what do you do then? ask them on the first date? hahaha

I see the conversation go like this: So darling, what do you think about the chicken? nice eh? an dby the way, at what age did you start to play with your "special place?"
I don't get that far ahead of myself.
That question comes much later.
One day she has to pass the drunk test as well.
Sometimes a hidden evil horror comes out when people get drunk.

Dardo
04-10-09, 05:51
One day she has to pass the drunk test as well.
Sometimes a hidden evil horror comes out when people get drunk.This one was good. A subconscious check.

MilesToGo
04-10-09, 17:02
...cut....
One day she has to pass the drunk test as well.
Sometimes a hidden evil horror comes out when people get drunk.

I have now dumped two LT tgf's based on the outcome of their behavour after seeing them not once but after a couple of tries (forgiveness) on my part - they can turn truly ***ness. Now it has become part of my SOP(standard operating procedure) before I would even consider her to be a tgf!

Meepmeep99
04-11-09, 01:24
So you are sick of Bar girls and think you'll get more of a connection with a massage girl? That's a little Funny: D

Anyway, keep it simple and please don't send her money. I am always amazed about these guys who fall in love with the first P4P girl they meet.

Good luck with your trip 12 years ago my dad who hadn't had sex with another woman since my mom had divorced him a year earlier went off to Thailand went straight to Pattaya and met the hideous bargirl he married within 6 months. He then brought to England for a couple of years where she would get drunk and abusive but he couldn't see the warnings, there were even talks of having his vasectomy reversed.

He then moved her back to central Thailand where he bought land from her family and proceeded to build an air conditioned mansion all financed on credit cards for the last 10 years he has done six months there and six months grafting on building sites to pay for it all.

She is a total ***** and is now infected HIV so she was obviously fucking someone behind his back and he is still paying for the good US drugs to keep her going even though she rarely lives in the house.

Last year he was working in England on freezing building sites and gets a call from the missus to say she need money! It works out that her 25year old thai waste of space son had stolen bt40k from the house and had spent it.

After all that he has bought more land from the family who come across as nice people but at the end of the day he doesn't own a bean of it.

The stupid thing is he can't even move another bird in because all the neighbours are her family.

I would trust one as far as I could throw one, even if you got one who is naive she will be soon infected by her friends.

Opebo
04-11-09, 05:47
Fellows I'm back in the Land of the Free again for a brief visit and even being here for a few weeks has put me into a state of shock - its not unlike a tour of an abattoir. I forgot how bad it was!

I would like to apologize to anyone I ridiculed for their gullible behaviours with Thai girls. I think I understand now - coming fresh from this place I suppose anything seems better.

Run Mann
04-11-09, 08:56
She is a total ***** and is now infected HIV so she was obviously fucking someone behind his back and he is still paying for the good US drugs to keep her going even though she rarely lives in the house.




Then Dad should get himself tested too.

Daddy07
04-11-09, 13:35
Fellows I'm back in the Land of the Free again for a brief visit and even being here for a few weeks has put me into a state of shock - its not unlike a tour of an abattoir. I forgot how bad it was!...
I'm also back in the USA for 2 whole weeks, and after the first day I started missing the LOS. Songkran doesn't even seem like such a bad thing to me now, though I chose this time to avoid it.

If it weren't for family, I'd never come here again.

Opebo
04-12-09, 00:26
I'm also back in the USA for 2 whole weeks, and after the first day I started missing the LOS. Songkran doesn't even seem like such a bad thing to me now, though I chose this time to avoid it.

If it weren't for family, I'd never come here again.

Same here exactly. Only here because of songkran and family. And maybe it is good to remind ourselves a) how lucky we are, and b) how strenuously we should strive to avoid having to return to the horror of our origin.

Barko
04-12-09, 04:05
If it weren't for family, I'd never come here again.

Same here exactly. Only here because of songkran and family. And maybe it is good to remind ourselves a) how lucky we are, and b) how strenuously we should strive to avoid having to return to the horror of our origin.A long time ago I used to have a t-shirt that had a kid with a flatop, flipping off and saying, "Quit yer whinin'". Still applies.

You are there. It's oppressive, it's a police state, the citizens are el bloato drones from some another planet. It's cold. It sucks. (Man oh man, except for family, it SUCKS.)

OLTL*, and you ain't in Thailand.

So? Hey! You ARE there! Do the shit you can't do anywhere else in the world!: Take a photography class in Yosemite. Kayak with alligators in Florida. Do the private horseback ride with local Indians down the Havasupai in the Grand Canyon. Snowboard Snowbird, Utah. Go tow in surfing at the Cortez Banks, California (or, for the extremely life-challenged: learn how to surf.) Take flying lessons or a parachute class (Yeah, you can do that almost anywhere now.) This is all easily obtainable totally ordinary stuff, but it's way COOL ordinary stuff! (DO NOT go to a casino, do not go fishing with your high school buddies, do not go to the local stripper bar, and do not go to McDonalds.)

Also, if you are pissed about not being to get some 'tang while you're there, all you have to do is go to any Asian massage place in the USA, they'll take care of you. Doesn't matter if you are in Pittsburgh, Spokane, Port Arthur or Algodones, they are there waiting for you.

Sitting around sniffling and waffling? Get away from the computer. Get away from the boring bullshit. Get your freakin ass out there and DO SOMETHING that you will remember for the rest of your lives. That's how you got to Thailand in the first place. RIGHT GUYS?

(*One Life to Live)

Opebo
04-13-09, 02:01
...Get your freakin ass out there and DO SOMETHING...

Thank you for the pep talk, Barko. First thing tomorrow I will call the airline and try to move up my return date!

Honestly I am beginning to have nightmares that the airport will get closed again and I'll be stuck outside here.

Dinghy
04-13-09, 04:33
There's always Kuala Lumpur or Phnom Penh A bus ride or train ride away. November I went to PP to get out (thru Singapore)

M P Lurker
04-14-09, 04:48
There's always Kuala Lumpur or Phnom Penh A bus ride or train ride away. November I went to PP to get out (thru Singapore)
No No! Most of us want to get stuck in Thailand.

Member #3428
04-14-09, 04:53
No No! Most of us want to get stuck in Thailand.

I agree, the Phuket airport closing, the Suvarnabhumi closing Nov / Dec were both a sexual god send for me... Even the passing of the Kings sister last Jan gave me extra time to explore and enjoy...

It's a shame I'm not due back for three more weeks as the protests are starting too early... Hopefully they will calm down then reogranize then start up with a flourish in a few more weeks ;)

Old Thai Hand
04-14-09, 05:39
I agree, the Phuket airport closing, the Suvarnabhumi closing Nov / Dec were both a sexual god send for me... Even the passing of the Kings sister last Jan gave me extra time to explore and enjoy...

It's a shame I'm not due back for three more weeks as the protests are starting too early... Hopefully they will calm down then reogranize then start up with a flourish in a few more weeks ;)

I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as tourism all but dies.

Member #3428
04-14-09, 06:48
I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as tourism all but dies.

Actually my agenda is not what you think. My work is greatly affected by the uprisings. However it is also a time to capitalize due to the unrest as others are pulling out and going away or not coming we are increasing our work inside the kingdom. Even our relationship with the government itself during all the turmoil over the past year or so has grown stronger.

M P Lurker
04-14-09, 10:30
I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as tourism all but dies.
I was only making a joke. Of course all these things are very bad for the Thai economy and even just for working people to get to work, is a big problem.
But many of us will come to Thailand anyway, with or without protests and even airport problems would not deter all of us.
This doesn't mean we see protests as desirable at all.

NicFrenchy
04-14-09, 14:09
I realize that guys on here have a common agenda. But, let's hope that the protests don't continue. Trust me. Enough damage has already been done that they'll be plenty of girls eagerly looking for any business they can get, as tourism all but dies.

Yep, and these REd shirted idiots, with their actions, just did cost another thousand people (if not more) their jobs. People in the Tourism Business will face very difficult times now that most countries have issued warnings that Thailand was not safe. Some Airlines (Cathay Pacific at least) said that people who cancel their Thailand Flights would not incur any cancellation Fees.

Titanio
04-14-09, 21:02
Yep, and these REd shirted idiots, with their actions, just did cost another thousand people (if not more) their jobs. People in the Tourism Business will face very difficult times now that most countries have issued warnings that Thailand was not safe. Some Airlines (Cathay Pacific at least) said that people who cancel their Thailand Flights would not incur any cancellation Fees.
So what? Much less UK guys in their football shirts or singlets as there are only 50 Baht left in a Pound. Hardly any Americans to be seen as they already cancel trips when only the Prime minister let a farth. In the end it is much more choice for less money, in hotel rooms and girls! Life cannot be any better.

I really do not see the issue!

NicFrenchy
04-15-09, 02:14
So what? Much less UK guys in their football shirts or singlets as there are only 50 Baht left in a Pound. Hardly any Americans to be seen as they already cancel trips when only the Prime minister let a farth. In the end it is much more choice for less money, in hotel rooms and girls! Life cannot be any better.

I really do not see the issue!

You, mister, are a complete moron. Not even worth posting here. So what you say? thousands might lose their job again and all you think about is the choice you will get when you will come here to dip your small dick?

Grow up

M P Lurker
04-15-09, 06:42
You, mister, are a complete moron. Not even worth posting here. So what you say? thousands might lose their job again and all you think about is the choice you will get when you will come here to dip your small dick?

Grow up
Calm down Nic. Buddhist principals include not fretting over bad stuff that already happened and bad stuff that we have no control over, and each person doing the right thing without worrying about what every one else is doing.
But I'm not trying to get religious here. Just mentioning some useful ideas as I am not a religious person.

Mongers can proceed normally after Songkran. But not the best time to be really stingy.

Spend spend spend will help Thailand.
Think of all those girls, really desperate for sex (and money) after a long Songkran break. Those girls returning late to their bars or MPs, will face fines as well.

Barko
04-15-09, 08:01
Think of all those girls, really desperate for sex (and money) after a long Songkran break.Uh oh. Do you have to out every secret here Mick? Hand holding is one thing, but man you gotta tell 'em everything?

NicFrenchy
04-15-09, 08:20
Calm down Nic.

Either you missed his point or I missed it. From what I understand, the bloke was happy that less "Brits" would come to Thailand resulting in more Pussy choice for him.

These style of comments are apalling and Buddhism has nothing to do with it.

Spend spend spend, you say, but if people are not coming in the first place? and don't forget that Thailand's sex tourists are not the majority of Arrivals in the country.

M P Lurker
04-15-09, 08:34
Either you missed his point or I missed it. From what I understand, the bloke was happy that less "Brits" would come to Thailand resulting in more Pussy choice for him.

These style of comments are apalling and Buddhism has nothing to do with it.

Spend spend spend, you say, but if people are not coming in the first place? and don't forget that Thailand's sex tourists are not the majority of Arrivals in the country.
I am not so upset by his comments. He is writing on a sex forum, not for your average tourists. O.K. he is not interested in who will lose their jobs. He doesn't care if tourism is down. So what Nic? Maybe you know some people who will lose their jobs?

All we can do is promote Thailand as a fun place and not dangerous despite what the media blowups.

Barko
04-15-09, 09:17
So what? Much less UK guys in their football shirts or singlets as there are only 50 Baht left in a Pound. Hardly any Americans to be seen as they already cancel trips when only the Prime minister let a farth. In the end it is much more choice for less money, in hotel rooms and girls! Life cannot be any better.

I really do not see the issue!Call out the dumbshit squad, we got a live one.

Raptors
04-15-09, 13:36
I am not so upset by his comments. He is writing on a sex forum, not for your average tourists. O. K. He is not interested in who will lose their jobs. He doesn't care if tourism is down. So what Nic? Maybe you know some people who will lose their jobs?

All we can do is promote Thailand as a fun place and not dangerous despite what the media blowups.Absolutely. Everybody should relax. Tourism will rebound for this Thailand is a too beautiful country. Mongers will also come to Thailand the question is just how much. IMHO Thailand is the place which offers the best bang for the buck. Prices are clearly regulated at least in the shops, you don't have to haggle and everything is pretty much standard and girls are in general of a decent standard. I also have been mongering in a couple of asian countries lately. And nothing beats Thailand, so far what I have experienced.

Bad thing currently is you have the economic crises. + the political crisis and nobody knows how it will play out in the end. It is a bit much. I know for a fact that business travels at certain foreign companies have been cancelled for the time being. And even that now everything is quiet again. It always takes a bit more time to come back to normal.

Stroker Ace88
04-18-09, 01:12
Does anyone know of a school called "The Bangkok College of Business Administration"? My TGF wants to attend this school and I was wondering if anyone knows about this school, does it exist, where is it located?

Is it a real school or one of those money for useless degree popup schools? Any other thoughts would be helpful.

Member #3428
04-18-09, 01:18
Does anyone know of a school called "The Bangkok College of Business Administration"? My TGF wants to attend this school and I was wondering if anyone knows about this school, does it exist, where is it located?

Is it a real school or one of those money for useless degree popup schools? Any other thoughts would be helpful.

You mean Bangkok College of Business Administration and Tourism on Liabkhlongsong?

http://www.bcbat.ac.th/

Old Thai Hand
04-18-09, 01:31
Does anyone know of a school called "The Bangkok College of Business Administration"? My TGF wants to attend this school and I was wondering if anyone knows about this school, does it exist, where is it located?

Is it a real school or one of those money for useless degree popup schools? Any other thoughts would be helpful.

I think it's more of a vocational school. I don't believe they give degrees. But, I could be wrong. However, it's pretty low down on the ladder, as far as schools go, which is saying something in a country where there aren't any really decent colleges or universities.

Neil Flanders
04-21-09, 09:38
I recently went on my second trip to BKK, I stayed there something like 10 days.
The main purpose of my stay was girls, but I must say I became bored by the end of my trip.

In fact, I met 2 very different type of girls:

-Crazy BGs, had a lot of fun with some of them. But everytime it means heavy drinking and partying. I had a couple of entertaining nights but when you take them to MBK in the daylight you regret it a bit.

-Others girls met at various places (Semi-pros or Non-pros). They instantly call you their BF. It seems more socially acceptable to stroll the mall with them, but still they put you through a lot of bullshit.

I was looking for something in between those two types of girls, more casual and relaxed: I didn't reallly found. But maybe I was looking at the wrong place.

Anyway, I'm on my plane back home (France), and this cutie seats next to me. She says she comes to France to visit her sister who is married with a french man. She cuddled with me during the whole flight.

Now she calls me and wants to hang out.

I take this as a good opportunity to practice my thai.

But in the end, I feel bad, let me tell you why.

All the Thai girls I met (20 or so), once they see you are nice (I mean not a freak), they always get into romance.

For me, all this is going nowhere, since there is too much of a cultural gap between me and TGs to make any comitment, and it is really not what I'm looking for anyway.
They clearly have hopes for a better life.

So you know, I am going to screw her but I feel I am taking advantage of her in an unfair way.

Ever felt that way, guys?

PinkPearl
04-21-09, 21:08
The quote that follows was a response to the question, Why are White girls charging a lot more than the Asian girls in Vancouver?

How does Thailand compare to China in the posters' 4 points? It seems to me there is a lot of similarity.


As a person of Chinese descent, here's my view:

First off, it's what we're used to. I don't know about South Korea, but for an SP to make $100 CDN in China, that is considered A LOT of money. In fact most SPs would have to spend the whole day with you and then some, just to make that kind of money. That's why they see places like Hong Kong and North America as lands of opportunity... they can pump out clients $120 per hour. So why not charge more? That leads to point two...

Point two: The Chinese mentality to business is "charge less, attract more clients." It's a numbers game, and the Chinese are just playing the numbers. From a business standpoint, there is no risk to charging less... someone is always looking for a better deal, so your clientele flow is steady. But there is a risk to charging more, which is you will definitely attract fewer clients. So why take a risk on something which you can directly control?

And Chinese consumers are always looking for the best deal... haven't you guys watched Russell Peters? If the Chinese consumer is not convinced he is getting the best deal, he will continue looking for what he considers is the best deal until he finds it. And China has a population of over 2 billion people, versus Canada which has about 33 million. 33 million? As of writing this, China has give birth to 33 million babies since January of this year! That means Canada's population is only about 1.5% of China's. Or to put it in another perspective, for every Canadian, there are 66 Chinese. The population keeps competition high, and therefore value low. Which leads to...

Point three: The sad truth is life in China is cheap... and by life, I don't just mean "quality of life", but life itself. Remember, China for the most part is still a third world nation, which means the poor are very poor, and there are a lot of them living in the countryside who feel they are getting shafted by the government. So most of them head to the big cities to look for work, and there are a lot! They mill about certain street corners, until some businessman comes along in a big truck, and goes, "You, you and you, come with me. I don't know who you are, I don't know your name, and I don't know your life story... nor do I care. This is what I pay. Hop in or I'll just find someone else." And as for girls working in prostitution, the real truth for many of them isn't because some human trafficker came along and kidnapped them away. The girls "willingly" enter prostitution because it's either their way out of the village, or they have some obligation to the family (parental medical bills and gambling debts are common, hence "willingly").

Point four: North Americans are brought up with the mentality, "You're worth it!"... even if the truth is you may not be. Chinese are brought up with the mentality, "You're not special", which sounds like a downer, but it does do one of two things... either it instills in you to work harder to prove that you are special, or you accept your lot in life and mill about your day... but you are not instilled with any false claims of worthiness.

Anyway, these are just some of my thoughts.

Benny09
04-23-09, 03:02
Where do the BGs go once they retire? Travelled to LOS a few times and often thaught where my part time girlfriends end up.

PinkPearl
04-23-09, 12:29
Redheaded Asians. Hmmm, that's a first.

My take on uniqueness. To be harsh and blunt, Asians come in one variety and one variety only. Black hair, black eyes. What's unique about that, when everyone has the same basic look? Compare that to caucasian women. You can have blonde hair, brown hair, black hair, red hair, strawberry hair. Blue eyes, brown eyes, green eyes, grey eyes, hazel eyes, etc. See where I'm going with this? If you had ever perused CL, let alone been to Bangkok or various other places in Asia, you'ld know that there are Asian ladies with hair colours other than black. From your previous comments I suspect you may not have even been aware that there are white skinned Asian women. In Bangkok it is quite easy to find a white skinned redhead, and even easier to find a redhead SP to bang.

Some of these Thai ladies, if I saw them walking in Vancouver and didn't know they were Asian, I could easily mistake them for Caucasians with a bit of a suntan:

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I find several of them quite attractive, & this one may be my fav:

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To me this Thai girl {TG} looks more Hispanic than Asian:

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As for eye colour, that rates near the bottom of the list of physical attributes that I look for in a woman. Even when it cums to the eye itself, that is not what I'd consider most important.

EDITOR'S NOTE: The link originally included with this report was to a photo on another website, and thus it was deleted in accordance with the Forum's Photo Guidelines prohibiting links to photos on other websites. If you have photos you wish to share with the Forum Members, then please post them here. Please read the Forum's Photo Guidelines for further information. Thank You.

PinkPearl
04-24-09, 21:14
EDITOR'S NOTE: The link originally included with this report was to a photo on another website, and thus it was deleted in accordance with the Forum's Photo Guidelines prohibiting links to photos on other websites. If you have photos you wish to share with the Forum Members, then please post them here. Please read the Forum's Photo Guidelines for further information. Thank You.My apologies. Here it is without a link.

Previously mentioned photos were from:

http hotthaigirls dot com forward slash 2007 forward slash 09 forward slash miss-maxim-thailand-2007 dot html

The one that to me looked more Hispanic than Asian was number 9.

The one that may be may fav for being most attractive was the 7th from the top.

Crazykf
04-27-09, 18:25
Anyway, I'm on my plane back home (France), and this cutie seats next to me. She says she comes to France to visit her sister who is married with a french man. She cuddled with me during the whole flight.

Now she calls me and wants to hang out.

I take this as a good opportunity to practice my thai.

But in the end, I feel bad, let me tell you why.

All the Thai girls I met (20 or so), once they see you are nice (I mean not a freak), they always get into romance.

For me, all this is going nowhere, since there is too much of a cultural gap between me and TGs to make any comitment, and it is really not what I'm looking for anyway.
They clearly have hopes for a better life.

So you know, I am going to screw her but I feel I am taking advantage of her in an unfair way.

Ever felt that way, guys?Of course, many times, but you must realize that they are having a good time with you (I hope), that you treat them well, maybe spoil them a little etc, . That's what I do anyway.

So they always hope for more, and will likely be disappointed and sad when it's over, but at least they get a nice experience, maybe learn english nitnoy, get some presents, pocket (or more) money for school/ family. Etc. And of course they have quite a few other options to fall back on. Just in case!

So don't feel too bad about it. I know I do however, but them it fades away.

And by the way, I would very much like to practice my passa-thai with your new acquaintance in Paris too!

That way she gets another option when you get tired of her, or when she starts talking commitment BS. It's clearly a win win win situation, isn't it?

Love Sex 22
04-27-09, 23:01
As I said before I am a middle aged man . and I am tired from the p4p seen in Thailand and since I have some extra time to make all the preparation I find many pretty young non pro girl that looking for Farang husbands and willing to do any thing to make you love them. This is a first time I chat with 20 year old that claims to be Virgin,following is the copy of our first conversation.



me----hi
her---are you hapant
her---hello
her---hi
me---why you closed
her---sorry my internet not good sometime
)me---: u internet shop now
her---i take internet from bloothoot
her---no i am home
me---oh u have web cam
): her---not have now
me---so i asked u if u like me
her---but i think i will buy new 1 for next mont because i have money from work
her---i like to talk with you
her---we can meet for know more
me---u can come to Bangkok
her---yes but why you not come to meet me in Udonthani
me---because i come for buisnes and i have many meetings in the day
her---yes i understand you
me---not possible for me to go first time
me---maybe later if have time
her---not worry i will go to meet you in bkk
me--- you have familly in bangkok or you stay with me??
her--- what do you want
me---i like if stay with me we have more time to know each other
her---yes up to you
her---i hope you not play game
me--- what game
her--- i am seriuos
me--- me to i think u very good girl
her---thank you than i hope you will like me
me---only we have to see if we can talk together
her---yes
me--- you think you can have sex with me??
her---why?
me---because if we want to stay together boy friend girl friend have to know about se.
me---): also you tell me you virgin
her---yes very thing must from in sind
me--- is truth or noth
her---yes not worry
me---you can send me email and also for msn email is ................
her----are you can add me?

Daddy07
04-28-09, 08:54
About a month ago, I learned from her close friend that a very lovely 24 year old Thai go-go girl, who used to be one of my regulars, found an American farang, flew to California with him, and got married there.

At first I felt happy for her because I knew that was exactly what she was looking for, but on second thought, I also knew her quite well, and guessed that I would be seeing her again sooner or later. I had told her more than once that she wouldn’t like the US, as she is a poor Isaan girl through and through who would feel like a fish out of water outside the LOS.

Sure enough, last night the friend told me that my girl is at home back in Thailand, the short marriage apparently didn’t work out, and she’ll be coming back to work in the bar soon.

I can hardly wait to hear her story.

Last night I walked into the bar where I had met her three years ago on my first visit to Thailand. She was my very first Thai girl infatuation. Mamasan approached me with a wide smile on her face, her hand pointing up toward the stage. I turned to look up. There she was!

What a lovely sight. Dancing and smiling down at me, she looked as beautiful as ever. I knew this moment would come and had waited for it patiently with great anticipation. Soon she was sitting beside me sipping her lady drink and massaging my thighs. Several other girls had also gathered around the happy reunion, (no doubt looking for lady drinks which were not forthcoming, though I did tip one of my other favorites 50 baht).

She had returned to Pattaya only two weeks ago from Isaan, she told me, having worked three days at Peppermint, two days at Super Baby, two days at Airport, and another three days at Shark, before returning to this bar four days ago in order to “be with my friends.” Friends are far more important to her than the prospect of paying customers. “I don’t like those other bars,” she explained, “because I have no friend there.”

I resolved to bar fine her saying I wanted to hear her complete story, and she happily agreed to tell me all. Off we went down Walking Street, first to visit her good friend at Heaven Above, (the one who had confided the situation to me), where I bought them drinks as they sat yakking like two magpies together for an hour. Then it was on to Shark where there was more drinking and more yakking until I was quite tired, full, and ready to go. We stopped at a street stand where she bought some Isaan vegetables with sauce and then rode the motorbike to my condo on Jomtien Beach.

“I was lonely,” she confessed when I finally asked her what had happened. Some time ago, while working in her bar, she had found a sponsor, a 54 year old man from America, who was sending her upwards of 40K baht per month, which she used to well support her mama, papa and baby sister. The guy came back to Thailand, asked her to marry him, and the happy couple tied the knot in Isaan, much to the delight of her fawning parents who stood much to gain by the arrangement. He didn’t like Pattaya and had family and business in Los Angeles California, so off they flew to live in the States.

The honeymoon lasted all of two months. She became desperately lonely and unhappy in America. Her husband had 4 children, all near her own age, and two of them living at home looking to him for support for their lifestyle and education. She had no friends in the USA and only two Thai television channels to watch on a home satellite dish. She could buy Thai food at a nearby Thai market and cook it for herself. She hated farang food. Her husband left her alone in the house everyday to tend to his business. She had little to do; could not drive a car, and had no means to get out of the house or meet people for society and conversation.

Then the economic crisis in the US adversely affected his business, his health was failing, and money became scarce. Eventually, she begged him to let her go back to Thailand, and he relented. Back she came to Isaan, her home and family. He promised to continue sending her money but couldn’t keep his word. She tried to call him but he soon wouldn’t answer his phone.

All throughout her sorry tale of woe she had not one bad word to say about her husband, nor did she cry a tear or whine about her plight. She was simply relieved and happy to be back in Thailand with her family and friends. And, now she’s back at her old bar out of financial necessity to make enough money to support her family. She doesn’t like being a bar girl but takes it all in stride. She’s a real sweetheart! I told her how sorry I am for her.

Then she took care of me in her usual manner and was off into the night as I went to sleep. She can count on me again from time to time to contribute a little for her support. It’s the least I can do.

The Departed
04-28-09, 12:50
We often don’t appreciate what we have until it is lost. LBFMs are something like that. They take it in the mouth for us. Many of them take it up the ass for us. They rim our ass for us and kiss us on the cheek before moving on to the next guy. And yet we are unhappy and look for faults with these little rice guzzlers.

Contrast that with a recent Chamber of Horrors experience of mine which could, in fairness, be posted in several sections. I hired a bbb lady. When she unrobed, it was looking at an ocean of blubber. She then proceeded to swig cheap white wine to “get in the mood”, as she called it. Then she produced a box of mint chocolates, placed it on her mammary glands and started wolfing them down something like the wolf did when it was in the bed of Little Red Riding Hood’s granny. At some point, she doused me with lotion. When I started to drop the paw on her, she told me she had a dick. She was so fat I didn’t know whether to believe her or not. On balance, I figured she was a woman and that that was her little joke or a further attempt to dampen my fire.

The best thing about the whole affair was the second skin flik she put on. This consisted of a short skirted Asian lady performing fellatio etc on a big black stud. The Asian knew her place, swallowed, spread her [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) flaps and her butt cheeks as the occasion demanded. My fat friend, in contrast, gave me far and away the worst sexual p4p experience of my life. For the first time in my life, I had to keep focused on the flik and not the job in hand.

The moral of this story? Count our blessings. We have been blessed with an abundance of LBFMs to use and abuse as we see fit. These creatures will perform any service we want for a pittance. Their competitors, in the main, would, if my fat friend was anything to go by, be more at home in horror movies than wrapped around our private parts.

They say, once you go black, you never go back. I, at least, will never go back to black. If she is anything to go by, no wonder our black brothers prefer white pussy. For me and for many others, there is nothing as comforting as the snug fit of a moist yellow pussy with modest miles on the clock. Certainly, if I were to give out performance medals, LBFMs would take the lion’s share of them. Until white and black women relearn the respect the male phallus deserves, I will continue to tunnel away in yellow beaver and I would expect all fair minded men to do the same.

PS: Thank you Daddy for that excellent report. I always like stories with a happy ending.

M P Lurker
04-28-09, 14:51
On the Thai Channel 9 News tonight (I saw via internet).

A Thai man is in hospital covered by a sheet hiding his face and most of his body but he is not dead.
Seems his wife and daughter went up country (Isaan) for 10 days. He got a bit horny and had a young girl come to the house. Wife came home unexpectly and caught them.
But she bided her time.

One night he was absolutely out of it (drunk) and sleeping. She sharpened the appropriate cleaver and grabbing his cock had it cut off with one stroke. He woke not knowing what was happening but finding his cock replaced by pool of blood. She was already gone.
He went searching but was unable to locate his missing member and she wouldn't tell what happened to it.
Couldn't quite tell if he lost the eggs too.

He could now be contemplating becoming a lady boy ;)

This could be no laughing matter for one of us one day. :eek:

1Ball
04-28-09, 15:36
She sharpened the appropriate cleaver and grabbing his cock had it cut off with one stroke.
These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?

The Departed
04-28-09, 16:46
These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?Excellent question. Google gave me this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_removal but I have yet to see anywhere elsewhere it is so widespread. I have had LBFMs joke to me they would cut off my tool. Not funny in my case but I did get a chuckle from Soap Fan's report. Maybe there is a snowball effect as the cock cutting gets a lot of publicity in the local press.

It sure is funny - from a distance.

Professor 1
04-28-09, 19:49
These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?

Well, I remember what Lorena Bobitt [sp?] did to her husband many, many years ago. Fortunately, for Mr. B., the police located the member, and the hospital was able to reattach the same.

Member #3428
04-28-09, 21:33
Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?

Yes my long lost brother, in my country there are be-headings of both heads. One real head got cut off last week and on little head went off about three weeks ago.

But we have long been a place of machetes without guns per see. So knife attacks are common place. Be-headings of the larger head are actually more common.

These are some of the things we don't put in our visitors information :D

Dardo
04-29-09, 08:45
All throughout her sorry tale of woe she had not one bad word to say about her husband, nor did she cry a tear or whine about her plight. She was simply relieved and happy to be back in Thailand with her family and friends. And, now she’s back at her old bar out of financial necessity to make enough money to support her family. She doesn’t like being a bar girl but takes it all in stride. She’s a real sweetheart! I told her how sorry I am for her.Interesting to hear the end of the history. This girls really don't seem to be able to advance, get a new life, a new work and move on. Pretty sad for them.

Anyway, what has impressed me more is how you talk about her. She has been receiving a lot of money for thai standards from this man, if anything her bussiness have been rocking this last months or whatever this relationship lasted.

LittleBigMan
04-29-09, 09:59
Many Thai women I have been around including my wife has mentioned something like this.. The key I guess is to never do it in front of them which is the impression I get from the Thai. It is saving face for them.

Just the other day, I was at Carrefour minding my own business on the escalator when all of a sudden this Thai women rush passed me and starting punching and smacking this Farang that was in front of me. She was screaming and punching him knocking his glasses off. I pretty much put it together that he was being a butterfly cause the other women was right next to him and she took off as there was no tommorow. In the end, he was sitting outside the parking lot while she was laying it into him like there was no tomorrow, crying, etc... and I have to give the Farang credit! he just sat there and took it all in while everyone was staring and laughing. Maybe this is the same guy! When he went home and fell asleep she got even!

LBM

Chocha Monger
04-29-09, 15:09
These stories have been told many times, and IIRC, only in Thailand.

Does anyone know if this is a common occurence in any other country?
The Swedes have been known to do it to themselves. Check out the video.
http://www.uselessjunk.com/article_full.php?id=12689


Other documented cases of penis chopping:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis_removal#Documented_cases

Benny09
05-02-09, 02:50
Apologies regarding my previous question.Read the last 12 months of info about thai woman as well as Private Dancer.It scared the shit out of me.

Neil Flanders
05-05-09, 22:19
I am right now planning what will be my third trip to BKK.

And since I became kind of fed up with the P4P girls during my last visit, I'm doing some research on Thailovelinks.

I found a few cuties, we did video-conferences.

They seem a bit more educated than the typical bargirl, they basically are middle-class workers (receptionnist, sales woman.)

But I wanted to ask you guys some advice on this.

I have never been BFing regular Thai girls before, and I heard that their shy smile can sometimes hide a pretty psychopatic behaviour.

I don't want to get my penis chopped up while I'm on holiday, that would ruin it all.

But on the other side, I'm sick of bargirls who won't go to Paragon.

The food court is so nice there (especially that japanese restaurant where they do charcoal grilled fish).

Joe Cose
05-06-09, 11:56
Thanks again for the replies to my post of April 4 when I asked for advice. I have just posted a report in the Pattaya thread if you're interested to see how it turned out.

Old Thai Hand
05-06-09, 17:58
i am right now planning what will be my third trip to bkk.

and since i became kind of fed up with the p4p girls during my last visit, i'm doing some research on thailovelinks.

i found a few cuties, we did video-conferences.

they seem a bit more educated than the typical bargirl, they basically are middle-class workers (receptionnist, sales woman.)

but i wanted to ask you guys some advice on this.

i have never been bfing regular thai girls before, and i heard that their shy smile can sometimes hide a pretty psychopatic behaviour.

i don't want to get my penis chopped up while i'm on holiday, that would ruin it all.

but on the other side, i'm sick of bargirls who won't go to paragon.

the food court is so nice there (especially that japanese restaurant where they do charcoal grilled fish).

first of all, you shouldn't want to take a bargirl to paragon, anyway. she doesn't belong there, would stick out like a sore thumb and feel incredibly out-of-place and uncomfortable. and, you would look like a knob, as well for taking her there. ditto for emporium. i went to see "the international' at emporium on sunday and the film was chock a block full of farang geezers, acting like love-struck, first-date romantics with their rent-a-humps. guys like this are perpetually in a fog when it comes to understanding what these girls really want to do. except for me and all these "loving" couples, the theatre was practically empty. why? because the film is far too serious and requires far too much thought for even educated thais. films like this wither on the vine here. thais prefer mindless comedies, and cartoons. therefore, on exiting the film, as expected, i saw a lot of glum, bored-off-their-faces bar tarts dying to get away from these clueless gits, yammering at them in english, while all the while, these girls longed for a thai soap opera, a plate of som tam, sticky rice and kai yang and a good chin-wag in isaan with their mates.


thailovelinks:

having had considerable experience with thailovelinks over the last 6 years, my first and best advice is not to get your hopes up and most certainly not to believe everything these girls tell you. it's true that at one time you might have found attractive, middle-class and even higher women on there. but, those days are generally gone. i'd say that the quality both in looks and class of these girls has dropped drastically over the last 2-3 years. most of these girls are definitely not middle-class, but much lower. it's true that many seem to have some sort of job, including office worker or shopgirl, but at the most basic level. that isn't middle-class in thailand. few truly middle-class girls would actually go on a site like this, now because they would be perceived in a very negative light, if found out. tll has a bad rep, these days. in any case, it's highly unlikely that a solidly, middle-class thai girl is going to hook up with a farang on holiday, unless he's an adonis and willing to take her somewhere a little more substantial than the food court at paragon.

i'm always skeptical of the education the girls on tll claim to have. they know that farang are generally better educated than thais and therefore think that putting this on their profile adds to their own desirability. but, if you scrape the surface, many generally have some sort of mediocre vocational college education or less, at best. p4p girls discovered online dating sites, particularly thailovelinks, and began joining with a vengeance a few years ago. upcountry villages have an english-speaking broker "mamasan" who for a fee chats on behalf of the girls, most of whom have rudimentary english skills at best. the girl might be on the webcam, but may not be doing the typing.

also, more than a few of these girls are p4p in one form or another, even if they try to disguise it. discussions of money often enter the "relationship" at some point or other. i was still active on tll up until december, until i got fed up with the low quality. the last 4 girls i met all wanted money and were willing to shag to get it. all, except one were ugly, desperate dogs. i did end up shagging the last one, because she was a reasonably cute 20 y.o. student from ramkhamhaeng u. and was very up front about "needing help" for school. i saw it as nothing more than another form of p4p, even if she deluded herself, that the money i gave her wasn't connected to the sex, but was just my being "jai dee" for helping her with her school fees.

the "unkindest cut"...

it is true that thai girls are often psycho, when they feel that they've been slighted in one of a thousand mysterious ways. but, i doubt that most would cut off your dick. i've never heard of this happening to any farang. while there are certainly incidents of it in the general population in thailand, i think the frequency is subject to gross exaggeration bordering on urban myth. there are lots of jokes about it. but, i think in most cases, that's as far as it goes.

if you don't have unrealistic expectations about tll, you may have some fun and find someone to eat japanese food with at paragon. although, to tell you the truth, if you really like japanese food, there are many far better, more authentic and cheaper japanese restaurants around.

btw...imo, the food court at paragon is a mess, noisy, overcrowded and overpriced. the more upmarket food hall on the 5th floor of mbk, or better yet, the one on the top floor of central chidlom are a better bet, if you like having a choice of food in one locale. the food and the ambience are a lot better, especially at central chidlom, where you often have the added bonus of some a-list thai actress and model eye-candy.

Neil Flanders
05-06-09, 22:41
Dear OTH,

I would like to thank you for all your wise advices on how to handle thai girls.
TLL is not so great, you are definitely right.

But when you say I should not take a bargirl to Paragon, it does not make much sense to me.

Coming from a socialist culture (France), I have trouble understanding why a bargirl can feel un-at-ease at Paragon. After all it's a mall and whatever your social status is, you are a customer.

In general, I am very uncomfortable with the way rich thai people look at people from lower classes.

There are big social gaps in my country too, but rich people do not despise poor people the way they do in Thailand.

This always pissed me off.

Thanks for you restaurant recommandations, I'll try them on my next trip!

NicFrenchy
05-07-09, 04:58
i went to see "the international' at emporium on sunday and the film was chock a block full of farang geezers, acting like love-struck, first-date romantics with their rent-a-humps.

hahahahahahaha... this is so funny because i often go to the movies and see exactly the same thing :d



btw...imo, the food court at paragon is a mess, noisy, overcrowded and overpriced. the more upmarket food hall on the 5th floor of mbk, or better yet, the one on the top floor of central chidlom are a better bet, if you like having a choice of food in one locale. the food and the ambience are a lot better, especially at central chidlom, where you often have the added bonus of some a-list thai actress and model eye-candy.

we agree here. food courts at paragon (and emporium) are a disgrace in my opinion: expensive and tasteless food. that's basically all the little shops you would find in a thai foodcourt, minus the taste and double the price.

as far as food courts go, yes, the food lofts (central chidlom or central world) are good bets. some restaurants at central world are also very decent.

the only place i would consider eating at paragon is tony romas because their ribs aren't bad at all (almost as good as great american rib company soi 36).
forget the pseudo italian restaurants who serve you dry pasta with tasteless sauces, viavai sukh soi 8 is a nice place (especially good after a bj @ [CodeWord900] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900)) :d

Opebo
05-07-09, 09:41
It is strange that a person would be alienated from a temple to crass materialism (a mall) just because she was a prostitute. One would think that this would make her the perfect denizen!

NicFrenchy
05-07-09, 09:47
It is strange that a person would be alienated from a temple to crass materialism (a mall) just because she was a prostitute. One would think that this would make her the perfect denizen!

In my case, it's not the lady that amuses me but more the Farang who is (as OTH so adequately described) "acting like love-struck, first-date romantics".

Old Thai Hand
05-07-09, 10:29
But when you say I should not take a bargirl to Paragon, it does not make much sense to me.

Coming from a socialist culture (France), I have trouble understanding why a bargirl can feel un-at-ease at Paragon. After all it's a mall and whatever your social status is, you are a customer.

There are malls (Central Ladprao, The Mall Bangkapi, The Mall Bangkae, The Mall Ramkhamhaeng, Seacon Square) and then there is Paragon and Emporium - as different as night and day.

It is a class thing, to be sure. Look at the clientele of both Paragon and Emporium, then look at your average BG. See the difference? She's immediately marked as undesirable by her skin colour, facial features, clothes, and demeanor, and she knows it. It's not her milieu. Put her in a typical Thai street market, where she can buy clothes for 99 baht and somtam for 20 and she's as happy as a pig in shit.

This isn't exclusive to Thailand. How many African-Americans from the projects in southside Chicago are welcome in the shops on the Golden Mile of Michigan Ave. or from South Central LA, on Rodeo Drive?
How many Sicilian fishermen would feel comfortable if suddenly thrust among the glitterati on Via Monte Napoleone in Milan?

Thailand is a patriarchal, hierarchical, feudal society. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.

Daddy07
05-07-09, 12:46
There is a stunning show girl at one of the Walking Street Go-go bars with whom I’ve developed a friendly relationship. I won’t bar fine her because she wants too much for her services, and she also confided to me once that she doesn’t much like sex. Never-the-less, I often buy her a lady drink from time to time and enjoy talking to her about this and that.

A month had gone by since I had last seen her, and I was wondering if she found a sponsor, left the bar, and got married, but there she was on the stage last night weiing me with a big smile on her face and an even bigger set of tits on her chest then she ever had before.

Of course, I noticed her new acquisitions immediately. This girl has always sported rather large silicone enhancements, (which I don’t particularly like), but her new breasts are positively huge.

After her set, she came bouncing over to me wondering if I thought she looked any different. I told her “yes,” I sure did. She chuckled while I complimented her on her appearance, and squeezed the luscious new globes, which felt quite real by the way, and I told her so. I then asked her why she did it as I thought her old pair of tits were plenty large enough and beautiful too. “No they weren’t,” she said, “and I didn’t like the shape either,” she explained.

Well, I could hardly agree, because I don’t like fake boobs – especially the big ones -- but resisted the urge to tell her so. Instead I raved about them and she seemed very pleased.

“How much did they cost you?” I finally asked. “Sixty-two thousand baht,” she retorted.

“Oh, my!,” I exclaimed, “but they certainly are lovely, honey.”

Bar girls are crazy! I love ‘em though.

Finrod
05-07-09, 17:21
There are malls (Central Ladprao, The Mall Bangkapi, The Mall Bangkae, The Mall Ramkhamhaeng, Seacon Square) and then there is Paragon and Emporium - as different as night and day.

It is a class thing, to be sure. Look at the clientele of both Paragon and Emporium, then look at your average BG. See the difference? She's immediately marked as undesirable by her skin colour, facial features, clothes, and demeanor, and she knows it. It's not her milieu. Put her in a typical Thai street market, where she can buy clothes for 99 baht and somtam for 20 and she's as happy as a pig in shit.

This isn't exclusive to Thailand. How many African-Americans from the projects in southside Chicago are welcome in the shops on the Golden Mile of Michigan Ave. or from South Central LA, on Rodeo Drive?
How many Sicilian fishermen would feel comfortable if suddenly thrust among the glitterati on Via Monte Napoleone in Milan?

Thailand is a patriarchal, hierarchical, feudal society. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.
I concur... On my first visit to BKK, I made the mistake of taking a nice, older (in her 30's) Isaan honey to the Emporium. Yes she was a bargirl, but not dressed like one that night. She was dressed and made up like a professional office worker, but she still got the "what are you doing here?" stares. The honey was game, we went to dinner at one of the nicer places in the food court upstairs, but the waitress could not be bothered to give us the time of day even though the place was only a third full. I had to complain to the manager to have another waiter assigned to my table.

Amjeck
05-07-09, 18:49
I concur... On my first visit to BKK, I made the mistake of taking a nice, older (in her 30's) Isaan honey to the Emporium. Yes she was a bargirl, but not dressed like one that night. She was dressed and made up like a professional office worker, but she still got the "what are you doing here?" stares. The honey was game, we went to dinner at one of the nicer places in the food court upstairs, but the waitress could not be bothered to give us the time of day even though the place was only a third full. I had to complain to the manager to have another waiter assigned to my table.
I wouldn't put all the blame on your honey(especially if she was dressed nicely). Thais will size you up too!

The Pro
05-08-09, 02:15
I disagree.

You should take them anywhere, the poor debt ridden scum that make up the majority of Thai "middle class" need to be shown that their pathetic lives of snivelling up to the Hi-So, borrowing money like crazy to buy the latest fashions, borrowing money to buy expensive cars. Means very little.

I thoroughly enjoy wearing a pair of shorts and a T-shirt around Paragon and Emporium and the other places, safe in my own personal knowledge that I have a damn site more money and wealth than 99% of the people in there.

In fact I make it a must do to wear really "touristy stuff" when making big purchases. Nothing like just saying "I want one of them and here is the cash" and watch the other people in the shop look in awe as they waddle around window shopping and trying to look "rich" by being at the shopping mall.

The best way to enjoy Thailand is to stick your middle finger up at their class system and just do what you want, when you want and how you want.

Be crass.

If you think someone is ignoring you, create a stink about it (but with a smile on your face). Throw a 500 baht note at them and ask them if its money that drives them here is their biggest tip of the year. Insult the monetary system.

At the end of the day the whole system revolves around money, and if you have it you can dress how you want, do what you and take whoever you want wherever you want. Cause when Thai's know you have money, they will be bend over backwards to kiss your ass.

So enjoy Thailand and stick your middle finger up to the "pretend" rich middle class.


There are malls (Central Ladprao, The Mall Bangkapi, The Mall Bangkae, The Mall Ramkhamhaeng, Seacon Square) and then there is Paragon and Emporium - as different as night and day.

It is a class thing, to be sure. Look at the clientele of both Paragon and Emporium, then look at your average BG. See the difference? She's immediately marked as undesirable by her skin colour, facial features, clothes, and demeanor, and she knows it. It's not her milieu. Put her in a typical Thai street market, where she can buy clothes for 99 baht and somtam for 20 and she's as happy as a pig in shit.

This isn't exclusive to Thailand. How many African-Americans from the projects in southside Chicago are welcome in the shops on the Golden Mile of Michigan Ave. or from South Central LA, on Rodeo Drive?
How many Sicilian fishermen would feel comfortable if suddenly thrust among the glitterati on Via Monte Napoleone in Milan?

Thailand is a patriarchal, hierarchical, feudal society. "Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.

NicFrenchy
05-08-09, 02:42
"Liberté, égalité, fraternité" would be completely lost on most Thais.

It is also lost on the French... trust me :(

Old Thai Hand
05-08-09, 06:44
i concur... on my first visit to bkk, i made the mistake of taking a nice, older (in her 30's) isaan honey to the emporium. yes she was a bargirl, but not dressed like one that night. she was dressed and made up like a professional office worker, but she still got the "what are you doing here?" stares. the honey was game, we went to dinner at one of the nicer places in the food court upstairs, but the waitress could not be bothered to give us the time of day even though the place was only a third full. i had to complain to the manager to have another waiter assigned to my table.

i bet she looked like an isaan girl, though, didn't she? dark skin? flat wide nose? listen, you could have draped her in dior and she would have been treated the same. i'm sure the waitress considered herself above your girl in status, and therefore wouldn't lower herself to wait on her.

emporium (like paragon) is a bastion of upper-class, white-skinned thais. if your date didn't look like them, she wasn't welcome, pure and simple.

one of the major topics of conversations and a great source of puzzlement with thais concerning farang seems to always focus on what they consider farang men's bad taste in women and especially a preference for dark-skinned isaan girls, which are considered ugly and at the bottom of the barrel, by thai standards. they also question why even young, good-looking farang guys here often prefer such ugly women.
a very hot, white-skinned thai student i know who's going to the states to study lamented she'd probably never get a date while there because she doesn't have dark skin and "look like an ugly isaan girl" and therefore nobody would like her. such is the perception here.

geez, haven't we had variations on this discussion a thousand times before?

why do many farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?

some on here in the past have expressed a perverse desire to stick it to snooty thai shop keepers and wait staff at places like emporium by forcing them to wait on their rent-a-hos. all one ends up doing in such a situation is making everyone feel uncomfortable. while farang may not agree with the many unsaviory aspects of thai culture, such as classism and racism, it is their culture, for better or worse. the farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.

Terry Terrier
05-08-09, 07:10
Why do many Farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of Thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?

Because they like shopping there?

Fon Tok
05-08-09, 07:54
While Farang may not agree with the many unsaviory aspects of Thai culture, such as classism and racism, it is their culture, for better or worse. The Farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.I'm a well-educated, 50ish, bald, fat white guy from North America (sound familiar?) I've traveled extensively in SE Asia with my Thai girlfriend from Kabinburi (which is in a province south of Isaan). With her generic pretty Asian country girl looks (darkish skin color, nose, smile), she easily passes for Vietnamese, Malay, Khmer, Indonesian, Lao, etc. Often times people will speak to her in their local language thinking she is one of their own. In Laos, it was great because she does speak Isaan, which is very close to Laotian, and we traveled like locals. Everywhere we've gone she makes friends and people genuinely like her.

The only place where I felt a little uncomfortable was in Hanoi. I noticed lots of looks and sideways glances our way while strolling around. Hanoi is close to China, isn't it? Funny thing, in Macau I didn't notice a thing.

Recently, we saw a movie at Siam Paragon and stopped for dinner at the very busy ground level food court. I did not sense any animosity from anyone toward my girl. Granted, I was not paying that much attention to other folks in the shopping center. Why would I? And, go figure(?), the Yakisoba noodles were not all that bad for 65 baht.

So what I am thinking, (in the Rocky Mtn. redneck side of my brain), as I write this is: Who gives a street rat's arse about what stuck-up, white skinned, Mercedes driving, Bangkok Thai-Chinese think anyway? They are only one sub-group in a very diverse country of many cultural origins.

I sure as hell don't, and I go everywhere in Bangkok and enjoy myself with my girl (if she wants to come along). Mainly, I don't get bent out of shape when I come into contact with ethnic-social ignorance, and that is how I deal with different cultures just fine. ;)

Run Mann
05-08-09, 09:21
I bet she looked like an Isaan girl, though, didn't she? Dark skin? flat wide nose?
All bigots and antagonists, take note, this is an example of how to promote your own clandestine ajenda under the guise of explainining Thai bigotry. Would it have made a difference if the Falang had a Thai tan/light/white skin girl on his arm? They would all get the same treatment so what’s with the emphasis on such bigoted descriptive? It may or may not be true but Thai women seen with falangs are generally thought to be from the P4P industry.


Geez, haven't we had variations on this discussion a thousand times before?
Yes but this gets you excited no, the thought of having to explain it again? I mean you get in your cheap shots more subtly this way.


Why do many Farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of Thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?.
Do you adhere to all Thai Societal norms, if no why not? If we all only went to places we were welcome to many of would not even be in Thailand


Some on here in the past have expressed a perverse desire to stick it to snooty Thai shop keepers and wait staff at places like Emporium by forcing them to wait on their rent-a-hos. All one ends up doing in such a situation is making everyone feel uncomfortable..
You got this? A group of people have decided that they will make you feel uncomfortable, not because you broke the law but because of your skin color, you facial features, your national origin and the fact that you are with a Falang and in return you must do your best to not make them feel uncomfortable. Yeah Right!:eek: :confused:

If a visitor and his companion entered a public mall, as long as they are not breaking any laws and conducting themselves in a dignified manner, they have every right to and they should. Snobs will be snobs regardless of what you do. If they think you are below them, they won't think any better of you if you stay out of what they consider to be their turf. The people who make a difference in this world are the ones who have the courage to take on the absurdity of society, not the ones who cowardly complies but then again maybe that is one of the reasons this country is where it is in terms of its world status and humanities development.


The Farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.
You sure sound like you are as bend out of shape as the Thai elitist snobs by the Falang and his date who dare not to comply with their unofficial unenforceable proclamations. While I would never advocate entering relationship with P4P girls or even walk around with them, I certainly don’t have the same disdain for them you and some others do and am not offended by the presence of any visitor with his P4P date.

You have to be careful with Karma though, there may come a time when the same Thai elites (and maybe you) who are offended by the mere presence of the low class Thai woman may find themselves in a medical emergency (need a kidney, need blood, need mouth to mouth) and the only person readily available to render assistance is …yeah, you got it, the low class BG.

1Ball
05-08-09, 09:41
Is there a "Racism against Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho" thread here? if yes, I apologize for not posting in the appropriate thread.

What would the elitist Hi - So Chinese Thai "nose in the air" (for no apparent reason, considering she isn't quite Thai, and also not quite Chinese, so I guess mongrel would be a better term) do, if she needed a kidney transplant, and after searching the donor list, found the only match was indeed the " Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho " do? Gratefully accept the kidney, or whither away, with her nose still in the air?

Me thinks she would grab that kidney, so she can continue to look down on the likes of the nice person who saved her life.

People always talk about Thai culture. I have found more culture in yogurt.

My GF in Bali is fairly dark skinned, as some of you who have met her will attest to. I keep trying to rub olive oil on her when we go to the beach. The darker, the better. Guess that makes me a tourist.

Member #3428
05-08-09, 09:48
Is there a "Racism against Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho" thread here? if yes, I apologize for not posting in the appropriate thread.

What would the elitist Hi - So Chinese Thai "nose in the air" (for no apparent reason, considering she isn't quite Thai, and also not quite Chinese, so I guess mongrel would be a better term) do, if she needed a kidney transplant, and after searching the donor list, found the only match was indeed the " Isaan dark skinned flat nosed rent a ho " do? Gratefully accept the kidney, or whither away, with her nose still in the air?

Me thinks she would grab that kidney, so she can continue to look down on the likes of the nice person who saved her life.

People always talk about Thai culture. I have found more culture in yogurt.

My GF in Bali is fairly dark skinned, as some of you who have met her will attest to. I keep trying to rub olive oil on her when we go to the beach. The darker, the better. Guess that makes me a tourist.

You are so wrong... The upper society would not search a donor list.

Instead they would offer to buy what they need from dirt poor Isaan folks then stiff them when it came time for payment.

I enjoy taking my TGF around (or any LBFM of the moment) and watching a bunch of "wanna be's" suffer as they have to kiss their feet in the shops. I don't care what they say or think, and neither does my TGF.

I come from a Caste Society and it's bull shit.

Daddy07
05-08-09, 09:52
...You {OTH} sure sound like you are as bend out of shape as the Thai elitist snobs by the Falang and his date who dare not to comply with their unofficial unenforceable proclamations...
Actually, OTH is just as much a victim of Thai elitist snobbery and bigotry as these Farang visitors and their Isaan bar girl dates wandering around the Emporium where they apparently "don't belong." He doesn't condone it, but just tells us like it is.

He, of course, recently found out that he apparently "doesn't belong" in his high paying, high status job, at a high falutin Thai University, didn't he? The bigoted Thai acedemic snobs declined to renew his teaching contract because of his (gasp!) Farang status. He's plenty pissed off about too, as he certainly has a right to be. I'd be a little bent out of shape too if it happend to me.

Piper1
05-08-09, 10:00
When I arrived at the dental clinic today, I kidded around with the flirty laughing receptionist for a minute, then turned around to take a seat in the waiting area, and suddenly noticed I wasn't alone. Sitting there was probably one of the most beautiful girls I've seen in ages. About 25 years old, smooth caramel skin, her hair tied back with flowers in it, not too skinny, big doey eyes, and a classic roman nose. Dressed in plain shorts and t-shirt, but still elegant. I couldn't take my eyes off her for a moment as I tried to work out her nationality. I'm pretty sure she is part-Thai/part Indian. She was just an angel. As I walked past her to take a seat, she looked up at me and gave me a beaming friendly smile. 'She's just being polite in the Land of Smiles', I thought, and I politely smiled back.

I picked up a newspaper to read while waiting, but noticed from my peripheral vision that she kept looking over at me. When I looked back at her she gave me another big beaming smile, I smiled back, then she looked away shyly. This sequence happened about 7 or 8 times in 10 minutes. I thought it was a pretty strong signal, so I decided to strike up a conversation, saying "Ah, waiting waiting" with my new cheeky smile. She laughed quietly and shyly but kept eye contact with me this time, and just then she was called into the dentist's room. She got up, walked towards the room and looked back at me with her big smile before disappearing into the room.

A little later she walked out of the dentist's room, and looked over at me again with that beaming smile as she went to the reception desk and paid her bill. I was thinking I should make a move fast before she leaves (nothing to lose in trying). But I hesitated, as it would have been awkward in front of the receptionist, and I wasn't even sure if the angel could speak English. My plan was to discretely signal to her to give me her phone number, by using my phone, hand movements and a wanting smile. But at the same time, I kept hesitating, thinking I must be having a middle-aged man's fantasy, as there's no way a young stunning woman like her would be interested in an average-looking middle-aged guy who looks sleep-deprived and a bit hung-over from too many late nights recently.

My hesitation won over so I didn't make a move. She turned to leave the clinic, looking back at me with her big smile as she opened the door and walked out. I watched her through the shop-front glass as she walked away. Yes, she looked back and smiled shyly at me again, before turning and walking into the crowds. I was sitting there kicking myself that I didn't at least try something

So, Dear Abby, what was that all about? Was I just having a middle-aged crisis, fantasizing that the young sweetheart was interested in me?

'Yes' I hear you saying.

But then why did she continually keep looking over and smiling sweetly and shyly then looking away? What should I have done?

Member #3428
05-08-09, 10:07
But I hesitated, as it would have been awkward in front of the receptionist, and I wasn't even sure if the angel could speak English. My plan was to discretely signal to her to give me her phone number, by using my phone, hand movements and a wanting smile.

I have name cards with my Philippines, Thai and other cell numbers on it as well as one of my email addresses. It's worked well in situations like this.

Run Mann
05-08-09, 10:20
Actually, OTH is just as much a victim of Thai elitist snobbery and bigotry as these Farang visitors and their Isaan bar girl dates wandering around the Emporium where they apparently "don't belong." He doesn't condone it, but just tells us like it is.


Who decided that they don't belong in the Emporium and why should they comply? I just don’t get this.

Look, the elitist will be elitist regardless of what any of us do so why try to appease them or anyone else for that matter? As long as the snobs are not paying your bills, they should be irrelevant in terms of how you conduct your daily life.

As for telling it like it is, you may want to read his post again using the description "rent a ho" coupled the facial and skin color descriptive sure don't make him sound like he's being impartial but it’s only my opinion, for all I know he may be a great humanitarian.

Piper1
05-08-09, 10:21
I have name cards with my Philippines, Thai and other cell numbers on it as well as one of my email addresses. It's worked well in situations like this.Damn good advice, thanks. When she was about to leave, I quickly decided I'd write my phone number on a piece of paper and give it to her discretely. But then I realized I don't know what my new Thai number is!

I'll get some cards printed (in relevant languages) on my next overseas trip.

Member #3428
05-08-09, 10:34
Damn good advice, thanks. When she was about to leave, I quickly decided I'd write my phone number on a piece of paper and give it to her discretely. But then I realized I don't know what my new Thai number is!

I'll get some cards printed (in relevant languages) on my next overseas trip.

Once in a while I have some good advice ;)

I have a few different cards like this and they've served me well all over Asia and Oceania.

Daddy07
05-08-09, 10:40
Who decided that they don't belong in the Emporium and why should they comply? I just don’t get this.

Look, the elitist will be elitist regardless of what any of us do so why try to appease them or anyone else for that matter? As long as the snobs are not paying your bills, they should be irrelevant in terms of how you conduct your daily life.

As for telling it like it is, you may want to read his post again using the description "rent a ho" coupled the facial and skin color descriptive sure don't make him sound like he's being impartial but it’s only my opinion, for all I know he may be a great humanitarian.
Well, I'm certainly not saying they don't belong, and that's why I put the phrase in quotes, to indicate that is what the Thai bigots are thinking. Personally, I'd have no problem taking any woman to the Emporium and could care less what some Thai asshole thought about it.

My point is that some Thais hate Farangs just as much as they hate other Thais, and OTH should know that as well as any of us because that hatred has caused him real damage -- not just injured feelings.

And while OTH might use catchy terms such as "rent-a-ho," and "rent-a humps," I doubt that it makes him a bigot, since he freely admits he has rented them himself many times in the past, and probably will again, now that his current Isaan girl has decided to move on.

His problem, I think, is that he lets it get to him, (not without justification), while the rest of us don't give a shit about Thai snob culture because it doesn't affect us personally.

1Ball
05-08-09, 10:43
I hope you don't kick yourself too much, Piper old chap.

Go get a nice tasty treat to ease your pain. :D

Run Mann
05-08-09, 11:09
Well, I'm certainly not saying they don't belong, and that's why I put the phrase in quotes, to indicate that is what the Thai bigots are thinking. Personally, I'd have no problem taking any woman to the Emporium and could care less what some Thai asshole thought about it.

My point is that some Thais hate Farangs just as much as they hate other Thais, and OTH should know that as well as any of us because that hatred has caused him real damage -- not just injured feelings.

And while OTH might use catchy terms such as "rent-a-ho," and "rent-a humps," I doubt that it makes him a bigot, since he freely admits he has rented them himself many times in the past, and probably will again, now that his current Isaan girl has decided to move on.

His problem, I think, is that he lets it get to him, (not without justification), while the rest of us don't give a shit about Thai snob culture because it doesn't affect us personally.

You may be right about motives but those are not "catchy terms" they are strategically chosen words used to make a point and in fairness I have been on this board too long because I have seen him used those and similar type phases repeatedly in numerous posts in the past and always in the same manner. While in other posts his phrasing and descriptions are innocuous because the intent of the posting is less purposeful.

NicFrenchy
05-08-09, 11:26
Who decided that they don't belong in the Emporium and why should they comply? I just don’t get this.

Interesting... I thought you were a LOS veteran? have you ever lived or worked here? with the above comment, it looks like you haven't.

No one decided they don't belong there, it's just the way things are. As OTH mentionned, they would stick out like a sore thumb adn get "looks" from other Thais. That's all. it's just about how comfortable they will feel being judged (or looked down upon) by other Thais.

Nothing a Farang's brain could understand because we aren't raised to think or feel like Thais.

Run Mann
05-08-09, 12:07
Interesting... I thought you were a LOS veteran? have you ever lived or worked here? with the above comment, it looks like you haven't.

No one decided they don't belong there, it's just the way things are. As OTH mentionned, they would stick out like a sore thumb adn get "looks" from other Thais. That's all. it's just about how comfortable they will feel being judged (or looked down upon) by other Thais.

Nothing a Farang's brain could understand because we aren't raised to think or feel like Thais.

You are spouting off without the facts, go back and digest the entire discussion then respond. I posted that question in loosely rhetorical form to make a point not to generate a technical response. Do not take a response I made to another poster out of context to make suppositions about me.

Old Thai Hand
05-08-09, 12:29
All bigots and antagonists, take note, this is an example of how to promote your own clandestine ajenda under the guise of explainining Thai bigotry.

No, it's not. I'm just explaining the situation as an answer to the original question/discussion. I can't be bothered to read through your whole post as I already know from previous exchanges your prejudice against me.

As a victim of the Thai elite, who've done untold damage to me in the last year, I'm hardly going to support their POV against anyone. So, perhaps, if I have any agenda, it would be as an anti-elitist. I'm just calling it as I see it.

Also, your remark that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically seen as P4P is quite out-moded thinking. Mixed dating is much more widly practiced here, these days.

My maybe ex-GF (not sure, yet) has never been treated with anything but respect wherever we went together because she's white-skinned, wears good clothes, and speaks Thai properly, and therefore is assumed to be one of "them" (she's not, btw, she's from Isaan. But, she doesn't look like a typical Isaan girl - all illusion, as it turns out). So, whether or not, you want to accept that I'm just being specific, not racist, it still has everything to do with the things I described, which centre on appearance, deportment, the way they speak etc. Most importantly, this issue is about how the girls feel. It's immaterial whether the Farang guy doesn't give a shit or not how Thais think.

Also, I should point out that I speak from experience because at one time in the distant past, I too was one of those clueless guys at Emporium with a rent-a-ho going to a movie. I didn't actually know how people thought, (and I wouldn't have cared anyway) until I was eventually told by one girl from Buriram (the last BG I ever "dated") that she didn't like going there because people stared at her because she "wasn't the same" as the rest of the Thais there (i.e. she was very dark and didn't have nice clothes). So, I asked her where she wanted to go and what she wanted to do. I ended up with her at a outdoor market next to the Mall Bangkapi and then some modest, but excellent seafood restaurants near a small lake near the Mall - all very homegrown, authentic Thai. Here she was in her comfort zone and very happy. That, in the final analysis is the point - knowing what works and doesn't work within the framework of their culture.

Run Mann
05-08-09, 12:45
No, it's not. I'm just explaining the situation as an answer to the original question/discussion.

As a victim of the Thai elite, who've done untold damage to me in the last year, I'm hardly going to support their POV against anyone. So, perhaps, if I have any agenda, it would be as an anti-elitist.

As I wrote below to Daddy07, my objection was largely to the choice of words you used to describe the girls, (not that they are any angels) and the overall tone but only you know what is in your heart.




Your remark that any Thai woman with a Farang is automatically seen as P4P is quite out-moded thinking.

I said generally not automatically and stand by that.



My maybe ex-GF (not sure, yet) has never been treated with anything but respect wherever we went together because she's white-skinned, wears good clothes, and speaks Thai properly, and is assumed to be one of "them" (she's not, btw, she's from Isaan. But, she doesn't look like a typical Isaan girl - all illusion, as it turns out). So, whether or not, you want to accept that I'm just being specific, not racist, it still has everything to do with the things I described, which centre on appearance.

You don't know what they are thinking when they see you together so even if she is treated with respect it does not negate the fact that they may still think your relationship is the product of P4P.

Warbucks
05-08-09, 12:52
So, Dear Abby, what was that all about? Was I just having a middle-aged crisis, fantasizing that the young sweetheart was interested in me?

'Yes' I hear you saying.

But then why did she continually keep looking over and smiling sweetly and shyly then looking away? What should I have done?

:confused: That’s like the Bulls without Mike, China without rice, the Holy Bible without Ch….well you get the idea.

After this I am expecting America to catch Bin Laden tonight.

Run Mann
05-08-09, 13:10
I can't be bothered to read through your whole post as I already know from previous exchanges your prejudice against me.


You keep modifying your post but this is most ironic coming from you. I am prejudice against you because I don't share your view or dare to challenge what you wrote? You can surely dish it out so you should be able take it.

Amjeck
05-08-09, 13:15
It may or may not be true but Thai women seen with falangs are generally thought to be from the P4P industry.


Thais know who is p4p and who is not. They don't generally "think" that if you are farang and have a girl that she is p4p. Thais will size YOU and your girl up in a matter of seconds and make their judgment based on what they see and how you interact.

I had a Bangkok non-p4p girlfriend for several years and we received nothing but respect in our daily interactions with all classes of Thai people.

Old Thai Hand
05-08-09, 13:49
You don't know what they are thinking when they see you together so even if she is treated with respect it does not negate the fact that they may still think your relationship is the product of P4P.

You still don't get it. They can tell the difference because of how she acts, carries herself, dresses, and most importantly speaks.
P4P girls speak Thai and even Isaan like gutter-snipes, and it marks them as, at the very least uneducated and LoSo to other Thais.

Old Thai Hand
05-08-09, 13:51
You keep modifying your post but this is most ironic coming from you. I am prejudice against you because I don't share your view or dare to challenge what you wrote? You can surely dish it out so you should be able take it.

It is NOT a POV. It's just a statement of fact. period.

Run Mann
05-08-09, 14:10
You still don't get it. They can tell the difference because of how she acts, carries herself, dresses, and most importantly speaks.
P4P girls speak Thai and even Isaan like gutter-snipes, and it marks them as, at the very least uneducated and LoSo to other Thais.

Not all P4P girls are from Issan and not all Issan BG girls act like or dress like hookers but since we will not convince each other this I will leave you to your beliefs and I will stick with mine.



It is NOT a POV. It's just a statement of fact. period.
Of course once you say it, it is a fact in your mind, and you have used this same line on other posters who have disagreed with you before so this is nothing new. I am not the only one here who have accused you of being a bigot or making bigoted statements so I am in populous company with that line. However, I am not going to the fight club with you and since you are getting worked up I will bow out, this is not that personal to me. Peace!

Old Thai Hand
05-08-09, 14:23
Not all P4P girls are from Issan and not all Issan BG girls act like or dress like hookers but since we will not convince each other this I will leave you to your beliefs and I will stick with mine.



Of course once you say it, it is a fact in your mind, and you have used this same line on other posters who have disagreed with you before so this is nothing new. I am not the only one here who have accused you of being a bigot so I am in populous company with that line. However, I am not going to the fight club with you and since you are getting worked up I will bow out, this is not that personal to me. Peace!


me too. I'm not really that worked up. It's only ISG, after all. That's it for my current spurt of activity, for awhile. I'll go back into my hole, now, until the next time.

As always, it's been fun. cheers!

Fon Tok
05-08-09, 14:39
me too. I'm not really that worked up. It's only ISG, after all. That's it for my current spurt of activity, for awhile. I'll go back into my hole, now, until the next time. As always, it's been fun. cheers!OTH: Before you sign-off for awhile would you check out my post on the Thai Politics thread.

http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=879237&postcount=1119

I am very interested in hearing your take on the current political situation today, the post-Songkran situation, the Sondhi assassination attempt, the prospects for the UDD/Red Shirts causing more trouble, and what might come next in the LOS.

Among other new developments, The Nation has been very anti-Abhisit lately ever since he brought up amending the constitution adopted during the Junta government. They seem to like Newin's camp a lot.

What do you think?

Chocha Monger
05-08-09, 16:31
i bet she looked like an isaan girl, though, didn't she? dark skin? flat wide nose? listen, you could have draped her in dior and she would have been treated the same. i'm sure the waitress considered herself above your girl in status, and therefore wouldn't lower herself to wait on her.

emporium (like paragon) is a bastion of upper-class, white-skinned thais. if your date didn't look like them, she wasn't welcome, pure and simple.

one of the major topics of conversations and a great source of puzzlement with thais concerning farang seems to always focus on what they consider farang men's bad taste in women and especially a preference for dark-skinned isaan girls, which are considered ugly and at the bottom of the barrel, by thai standards. they also question why even young, good-looking farang guys here often prefer such ugly women.
a very hot, white-skinned thai student i know who's going to the states to study lamented she'd probably never get a date while there because she doesn't have dark skin and "look like an ugly isaan girl" and therefore nobody would like her. such is the perception here.

geez, haven't we had variations on this discussion a thousand times before?

why do many farang, especially visitors continue to try to fly in the face of thai social convention, as revolting as it may be to us, by traipsing their dates around in-appropriate venues where they are not welcome?

some on here in the past have expressed a perverse desire to stick it to snooty thai shop keepers and wait staff at places like emporium by forcing them to wait on their rent-a-hos. all one ends up doing in such a situation is making everyone feel uncomfortable. while farang may not agree with the many unsaviory aspects of thai culture, such as classism and racism, it is their culture, for better or worse. the farang, especially those who get so bent out of shape over this type of thing are largely visitors who don't really understand how to deal with the culture.
what is so difficult to understand? well i can't seem to understand how a racist sex tourist cum sex expatriate can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about being a victim of thai racism and prejudice. one minute the guy is crying about the thai academics shitting on him because they didn't renew his teaching contract due to his low status as a farang in their society; the next minute he's taking pleasure in advocating compliance with racist thai attitudes towards dark skinned, wide flat nosed isaan girls. he heaps ridicule on his fellow farang for bucking against thai racial ignorance but whines when he becomes a victim of that very ignorance. i guess it is a case of the chickens coming home to roost. it is amazing how bigots cling to their beliefs even when they become victims of the same. thais will assume that any native female with a white guy, or any other foreigner, is a prostitute or in it for a visa. thais know why single male farangs come to their country. you can masquerade as an english teacher or whatever fits your fancy. they know you're there for the pussy just like all the others.

Amjeck
05-08-09, 20:23
the next minute he's taking pleasure in advocating compliance with racist Thai attitudes towards dark skinned, wide flat nosed Isaan girls.
This has nothing to do with racism, it's more like "classism". If a Thai looks down on another Thai because he/she is dark it has nothing to do with race because they are all Thai. Try not to confuse the preference of white skin over black/dark skin in Thai society with racism. It has nothing to do with it.

Amjeck
05-08-09, 20:32
Thais will assume that any native female with a white guy, or any other foreigner, is a prostitute or in it for a visa.
Do Thais feel the same way about the daughter of the big BOSS? Don't think she was a pro, or needed a visa!

NicFrenchy
05-09-09, 01:55
I'm a well-educated, 50ish, bald, fat white guy from North America (sound familiar?)

They're going to love you in Pattaya then :D
(sorry... bad joke)

NicFrenchy
05-09-09, 02:03
Thais know why single male farangs come to their country. You can masquerade as an English teacher or whatever fits your fancy. They know you're there for the pussy just like all the others.

You're talking out of your ass

Old Thai Hand
05-09-09, 02:17
What is so difficult to understand? Well I can't seem to understand how a racist sex tourist cum sex expatriate can [CodeWord140] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140) and moan about being a victim of Thai racism and prejudice.

I'm not, nor have I ever been a sex tourist or sexpatriate. Nor, do I consider myself a racist. I've dated Thai women of all shades and from all kinds of backgrounds. It seems whenever I report the attitudes of Thais, it's assumed I'm secretly advocating those attitudes, while in fact, I'm merely explaining them.




the next minute he's taking pleasure in advocating compliance with racist Thai attitudes towards dark skinned, wide flat nosed Isaan girls. He heaps ridicule on his fellow farang for bucking against Thai racial ignorance.....

I was actually suggesting in all of this that Farang guys should consider how the BG feels in an environment where she's not welcome and should take her somewhere where she is.

I don't give a toss what other Thais think, especially the snobs who populate Emporium and Paragon.


Thais will assume that any native female with a white guy, or any other foreigner, is a prostitute or in it for a visa. Thais know why single male farangs come to their country. You can masquerade as an English teacher or whatever fits your fancy. They know you're there for the pussy just like all the others.

1/ a)Thais assume when they see a Farang with some tarted-up TG covered in tatoos, wearing cheap clothes and walking and talking like a ho, (even if she has white skin), that she's (quite rightly) a ho.

b)If they see a Farang with a well-dressed, well-bahaved, and well-spoken TG, they might still make those assumptions if she has dark skin and looks Isaan. That isn't my prejudice. That's theirs, and it's just a fact.

c)If they see a Farang with a well-dressed, well-behaved, and well-spoken TG with white skin, especially if she's Thai-Chinese, they would very unlikely assume she's a hooker (although, she still might be...just a high-class one).

With the proliferation of foreign students, especially from the West studying in International programs, most of whom are dating TGs, Thais have become far more accustomed to seeing mixed dating, without automatically assuming the girl is P4P.

2/ Not a lowly English teacher. I'd rather have a labotomy, than be one of those.

3/I came to Thailand to work. My first job here was at The Nation. I knew little, if anything about P4P here before I arrived. It has never been a factor in my staying. Although, my long-term relationships with regular TGs has been a factor and a legitimate reason to stay. BTW, none of them were P4P or in it for the visa.


Based on your declarative rant here, it would appear that you have a very narrow perspective on Thailand and are another example of several simple-minded morons who have recently taken up residence on ISG.

While we seldom agree, and I do think that he has it in for me sometimes, (but all's fair in love and war) I respect someone like Run Mann, as an intelligent and worthy opponent. Ditto for Opebo, although many on here don't like him.

Sadly, for every one of them, there are a dozen like you.

Fon Tok
05-09-09, 02:23
They're going to love you in Pattaya then :D
(sorry... bad joke)Nic: That's funny. Did you stay up all night oiling your pet worm and thinking about me? ;)

Despite old age, a big stomach, and a chrome dome, I get plenty of love most places I go. And funny thing, some of it's free.

Never been to Pattaya, though! Might have to check it out one of these days.

You have a good weekend...

Terry Terrier
05-09-09, 07:29
"The UK and Europe have loads of former bargirls married to (most often) working-class geezers providing them with a life, (far from the dream-life they expected) of loneliness, mediocrity and freezing their tits off in crappy weather."

Never a truer word spoken. I know several bar girls who married and moved over to the UK. It is not only the crap weather but the fact that these guys cannot support them in the way that the girls expected. What the bar girls fail to realise is that many of the tourists visiting them for an annual two week holiday spend the year before hand saving for the trip. They hold down low paid jobs with some living off welfare benefits (though how they afford to go to LOS is anyone's guess) To the girls these guys appear very affluent not realising that their escape to a better life means living on some council estate in a dingy apartment, where money is sparse and trips back to see their family few and far between. In fact quite a few of the thai ex WG's in the UK find themselves working back in their old trade just to make ends meet and many of the marriages do not last. That is not to say that some of the marriages do work, but they tend to be with guys who can afford to send their girl home a few times each year to visit family and who have a decent income/nice home. Having cable with Thai TV also helps!
Statistically, UK marriage success/failure rates between Brits and Thais run at around 50%, which is the same as the national average for the whole adult population.

I expect we all know a few stories of Brit marriages to Thai women in the UK going tits-up and some of the women returning to type and going working in knocking shops. But the notion of large numbers of Thai women working in the UK prostitution biz is an urban myth. My own experience of years of extensively using Greater Manchester's massage parlours (Manchester is the massage parlour capital of Europe due to a long-time police tolerance policy btw) was that there were never more than a few Thai women working in them at any given time and most of these tended to be the same faces over lengthy periods of that time. This in a city that has over 3000 Thai residents, mostly female.

I linked to an excellent report by the Runnymede Trust about Thais living in the UK in a similar discussion with OTH a couple of years ago. It covers most aspects, including how Thais adapt and settle. The conclusion seems to be that many do, but not without difficulties. It's a long report. But this type of info is how we become informed rather than just repeating what we heard down the pub, in the back of a taxi or from a couple of acquaintances:

http://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/file/EmpoweringIndividualsCreatingCommunity-2008.pdf

Old Thai Hand
05-09-09, 09:24
Statistically, UK marriage success/failure rates between Brits and Thais run at around 50%, which is the same as the national average for the whole adult population.

I expect we all know a few stories of Brit marriages to Thai women in the UK going tits-up and some of the women returning to type and going working in knocking shops. But the notion of large numbers of Thai women working in the UK prostitution biz is an urban myth. My own experience of years of extensively using Greater Manchester's massage parlours (Manchester is the massage parlour capital of Europe due to a long-time police tolerance policy btw) was that there were never more than a few Thai women working in them at any given time and most of these tended to be the same faces over lengthy periods of that time. This in a city that has over 3000 Thai residents, mostly female.

I linked to an excellent report by the Runnymede Trust about Thais living in the UK in a similar discussion with OTH a couple of years ago. It covers most aspects, including how Thais adapt and settle. The conclusion seems to be that many do, but not without difficulties. It's a long report. But this type of info is how we become informed rather than just repeating what we heard down the pub, in the back of a taxi or from a couple of acquaintances:

http://www.runnymedetrust.org/uploads/file/EmpoweringIndividualsCreatingCommunity-2008.pdf

I agree with you because you've supplied empirical evidence in the past.

My original reference was general, although I actually was thinking more about Europe and had certain countries in mind, like Germany, for example. There's a park, (I believe in Frankfurt) that's quite well-known as a place where all the ex-BG wives of working-class Germans meet up to eat som tam and whinge about their miserable lives living in gray bunkers, having to deal with dour German mothers-in-law, all the while longing for home and warmer climes. Germany has miserable, cold winters, passable, but wet Springs, tepid summers, and gusty, rainy Autumns, not to mention the Germans themselves, who aren't exactly the most welcoming people on earth, (sorry Giotto). How, in God's name could a TG ever be happy there? There are worse places, of course for unsuspecting starry-eyed BGs to end up. Stockholm? (boring fucking city full of miserable, suicidal Swedes). Helsinki? (even more fucking boring than Stockhom and full of even more miserable, suicidal Finns). I once knew a TG who went to Finland (afterall, "isn't that where Nokia is?", she asked before she left) and it so undid her psyche, that after 3 years there, she was never the same happy-go-lucky girl, I knew before.

As miserable as England can be, at least the Brits are generally a fun lot and good for a laugh. But, any time I hear a TG say she's got a BF in Western Europe and wants to move there, I cringe. They simply have no idea what they're getting into.

Cunning Stunt
05-09-09, 09:34
... I knew little, if anything about P4P here before I arrived....

Gosh, is this really true? Must have led a very sheltered life beforehand then to be one of the few guys in the western hemisphere to be unaware of the p4p scene in Thailand! Must have been a big shock when you arrived and discovered it:eek: Guess that you immediately joined ISG to protest!!



My own experience of years of extensively using Greater Manchester's massage parlours (Manchester is the massage parlour capital of Europe due to a long-time police tolerance policy btw) was that there were never more than a few Thai women working in them at any given time and most of these tended to be the same faces over lengthy periods of that time. This in a city that has over 3000 Thai residents, mostly female.


This is maybe because they all moved to Northampton to do business. Place is full of Thai hookers. I think that the council is thinking of renaming one of the main red light thoroughfares Sukhumvit, in their honour. Anybody unfortunate enough to be passing through that godforsaken place can enjoy a real thai soapy massage experience at http://www.thaipalacemassage.co.uk/. Nikki is particularly to be recommended. But cheap it 'aint (about 6T for an hour).

Old Thai Hand
05-09-09, 12:34
Gosh, is this really true? Must have led a very sheltered life beforehand then to be one of the few guys in the western hemisphere to be unaware of the p4p scene in Thailand! Must have been a big shock when you arrived and discovered it:eek: Guess that you immediately joined ISG to protest!!

Thailand's image as a sex tourist destination only really took off with the popularity of the Internet and sites like ISG in recent years. When I arrived in Asia in '96 few people, even in the US were using the Internet. While very marginally aware of what was happening here, I still doubt my ignorance was particularly exclusive, back then. Nobody in the West knew much about Thailand in any way in those days, even horny, sex-starved Western guys.

Member #3428
05-09-09, 12:42
Thailand's image as a sex tourist destination only really took off with the popularity of the Internet and sites like ISG in recent years. When I arrived in Asia in '96 few people, even in the US were using the Internet. While very marginally aware of what was happening here, I still doubt my ignorance was particularly exclusive, back then. Nobody in the West knew much about Thailand in any way in those days, even horny, sex-starved Western guys.

Totally disagree with that statement. I'm not that old and live in a sheltered area in the middle of no where and even my society knew of Thai and other Asian countries where prostitution was liberal to say it kindly. We do not even have have good internet only dial up and very limited at that. So internet did nothing for that.

And if you were military then everyone knew of SE Asia as a good port of call.

Cunning Stunt
05-09-09, 13:10
Thailand's image as a sex tourist destination only really took off with the popularity of the Internet and sites like ISG in recent years. When I arrived in Asia in '96 few people, even in the US were using the Internet. While very marginally aware of what was happening here, I still doubt my ignorance was particularly exclusive, back then. Nobody in the West knew much about Thailand in any way in those days, even horny, sex-starved Western guys.

Yes, I must totally disagree with you there for your statement is utter nonsense. Thailand first took off as a well known sex destination during the Vietnam War when sex starved grunts took their R&R there way back in the 60's and 70's. When they left the vacuum was soon filled with sex tourists from the west and later East Asia. I had heard of Thailand's notoriety way back in the early 80's but didn't have the opportunity to visit until 1985, when like most first timers, I thought that I had died and gone to paradise. The only place missing then, in situ now, was Nana Plaza which first opened for business in 88 or 89. Everything else, Patpong (then the main p4p bar area), Soi Cowboy, Thermae, Beer Garden, Pattaya were all thriving and full of punters. Just the same as now although there was not the sheer numbers or the clinical professionalism of the girls that we find today. And we all went bareback:eek:

Amjeck
05-09-09, 13:54
but didn't have the opportunity to visit until 1985...
And we all went bareback
I envy you! Sounds like the good ole days!

Opebo
05-09-09, 14:08
I respect someone like Run Mann, as an intelligent and worthy opponent. Ditto for Opebo, although many on here don't like him.

Thank you for the kind thought, sir.

Actually I don't entirely disagree with your views, or your taste (I like various types, but the high-end white-skinned do have their appeal). And any skepticism I have regarding denials of sex-tourist status apply to all foreigners in this country, not just your good self.

M P Lurker
05-09-09, 16:22
Yes, I must totally disagree with you there for your statement is utter nonsense. Thailand first took off as a well known sex destination during the Vietnam War when sex starved grunts took their R&R there way back in the 60's and 70's. When they left the vacuum was soon filled with sex tourists from the west and later East Asia. I had heard of Thailand's notoriety way back in the early 80's but didn't have the opportunity to visit until 1985, when like most first timers, I thought that I had died and gone to paradise. The only place missing then, in situ now, was Nana Plaza which first opened for business in 88 or 89. Everything else, Patpong (then the main p4p bar area), Soi Cowboy, Thermae, Beer Garden, Pattaya were all thriving and full of punters. Just the same as now although there was not the sheer numbers or the clinical professionalism of the girls that we find today. And we all went bareback:eek:
Yes I can remember being in Bangkok in approx. 1984.
I managed to find some Soapy establishment with large fishbowl, possibly called the Golden Gate. I was very scared to fuck the Thai girl even though she was gorgeous, because I didn't have any condoms and wasn't sure if they had diseases or not like Herpes, Siphilis, Gonorreah etc.

Found another Soapy in Chiangmai and had my first body slide.

In Patong beach Phuket, we already had a street with a hundred bars. Old guys were going round with young girls hanging off the arm, some who wore singlets and no bra showing off dark nipples.
To say that there was little sex tourism would be ridiculous.

Some ladyboys on the beach in Patong too.

I guess sex tourism would have stepped up a lot after Vietnam war, but Soapy MPs were available for Thai customers for who knows how long.

About 17 years ago I commenced to study Thai Language.
Then started trips to Thailand with mongering at Soapies like the Thermae and bars of Soi Cowboy for many years before I ever used the internet in connection with Thailand or became aware of the ISG.

Got first non P4P Thai GF about 14 years ago. A great character girl, but was still sexually frustrated.

So the internet just didn't seem to be relevant.

OTH probably wasn't aware of that infamous dictionary that described Bangkok as a place with many hookers, many years back.

Old Thai Hand
05-09-09, 18:29
I stand corrected.

I did of course know of the impact of the Vietnam War on the sex industry in Thailand. I guess, I just never thought much about it, or of ever coming here because of it. It certainly was never discussed by anyone I knew in Canada. Cuba definitely was, however. Our orientation in Toronto was North-South, not East-West. So, Cuba and the DR were places to go, if one wanted to partake. Nobody, ever thought about Asia.

In the mid-90s, when I was 43, I had a 22 y.o. half-French-Canadian, half Mohawk Indian GF and therefore, it never occurred to me to go anywhere looking for young stuff, because I had it at home. Some things never change. Now, I have it here.

Run Mann
05-09-09, 22:09
While we seldom agree, and I do think that he has it in for me sometimes, (but all's fair in love and war) I respect someone like Run Mann, as an intelligent and worthy opponent.

I reciprocate in kind in my view of you OTH. I have nothing against you personally or anyone else on this board for that matter. There is also less disparity in our taste of women than you may know I just don’t highlight the issue of their skin color and I don’t gratuitously mention their facial features the way you do. One reason you get so much flack from these different posters is not so much for your message, because your message generally is on point but your editorializing and the separating of the messenger (you) versus the message (Thai culture/bigotry) is too often non-existent.

If you made the clear distinction that you are (only) reporting it instead of promoting, endorsing or even embellishing the message you would not get kind of responses you do. However, I think you purposely present the message the way you do. Why? Only you know the real reason you do it that way. Then again, if you start playing the role of the “straight man” or “just the facts” (man) there would be little reason to engage you which would make for a pretty boring ISG train ride.

Old Thai Hand
05-10-09, 03:03
I reciprocate in kind in my view of you OTH. I have nothing against you personally or anyone else on this board for that matter. There is also less disparity in our taste of women than you may know I just don’t highlight the issue of their skin color and I don’t gratuitously mention their facial features the way you do. One reason you get so much flack from these different posters is not so much for your message, because your message generally is on point but your editorializing and the separating of the messenger (you) versus the message (Thai culture/bigotry) is too often non-existent.

If you made the clear distinction that you are (only) reporting it instead of promoting, endorsing or even embellishing the message you would not get kind of responses you do. However, I think you purposely present the message the way you do. Why? Only you know the real reason you do it that way. Then again, if you start playing the role of the “straight man” or “just the facts” (man) there would be little reason to engage you which would make for a pretty boring ISG train ride.

I'm ever the provocateur. ;)

Seriously, I will say this much. Few if any on here, even those proporting to be long-term expats and therefore self-styled experts ever really make an in-depth attempt to get into the Thai psyche in order to understand why Thais think and act they way they do. The vast majority on here are visitors and therefore, unfortunately have little if any opportunity to ever understand the culture, which is further exacerbated by the fact that they are engaged with a very narrow and culturally corrupt segment of the population (i.e. P4P girls). When I say, culturally corrupt, I just mean that by entering the P4P scene, the girls go through such a transformation that the "authenticity" of their cultural connection is almost completely corrupted to the point of being destroyed. This is why even lowly maids look down their noses at bargirls, even if they come from the same humble origins.

The other problem, to which I have often referred in the past is that many in the monger set put these girls on a pedestal, elevating them to a status that is antithetical to the reality of their place in Thai society. While these type of Farang may not give a damn what the Thais think, the problem is that they place the girl in an artificial and ultimately uncomfortable situation in which she is not meant to exist within the context of the culture, however flawed we may see this from our Western, egalitarian perspective.

Thai society is very much a stagnant strata of everyone having and knowing their place in the scheme of things, and not rocking the boat by having what is considered anti-social aspirations to go beyond where life puts them. The current political conflicts are not a challenge to this, as many think. The masses of redshirts have no aspirations to a higher status within Thai society. They would never be so presumptuous. The issues are more humble than that and have merely to do with improving the masses lot in life on a purely financial level.

The Thais are bound strongly by what is called SAKDINA (realm or field of power) which centres on the main social concept of "Obligation" to which they all, blindly adhere. The root of this is something quite distasteful to those of us from the West: unquestioning deference to the point of fawning obsequiousness to one's "betters".

As an aside, this is largely why I recently lost my job. Despite understanding completely this central aspect of Thai culture, I steadfastly refuse to adhere to it on principle, often to my own detriment. I had the nerve to challenge a dean, who was acting illegally, immorally and unethically. I was actually quite polite about it. But, the fact that I actually questioned someone, who had never been questioned before in his life by a "subordinate" (he'd never worked with Farang before) was enough to get me canned. This ingrained social ass-kissing is more than anything else holding the Thais back from ever progressing as a society.

However, this way of thinking is so firmly embedded in the Thai mind that trying to fight against it, as many unknowing Farang try to do - (even by such a seemingly innocent act as taking a girl to a place like Paragon to eat and being indignant when the girl is treated rudely, as she actually expects to be in such a situation) - is counterproductive and accomplishes nothing but perpetuating the image of the "ugly, insensitive Farang".

You're right that I perhaps don't clearly and objectively separate myself enough by my writing so pointedly (perhaps ad nauseum) about the Thai prejudice against skin colour, facial features, physical appearance, dress, and manner of speaking of people from the lower classes (seen as mainly from Isaan). But, that is partially me perhaps unduly prodding (for my own perverse pleasure and to stimulate discussion) those on here who are blind to the fact that the young lovelies with whom they traipse all over town, are (unjustly, but there it is) unwelcome in most places. The Thais are usually too polite to express this overtly. But, trust me, they feel it so strongly, that occasionally is leaks out in very unpleasant ways.

This is why I think that Pattaya is the best place for Farang who want to "let it all hang out" figuratively and literally. For the most part, the place is so far gone and cut-off from the norms of Thai society, that the "rules of engagement" are largely upside down. Walking around in the open, arm-in-arm with a hooker is greeted with a yawn of indifference by locals because it's the source of their bread and butter...or rice and chicken, I guess. Everyone from the highest HiSo business owner to the lowliest SW on beach road is so corrupted and at the same level, that the place is socially at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are. Money talks at such a deafening level in the crass commercial cesspit of Pattaya, that Thai culture is merely trotted out as window-dressing. As a result, what I've noticed there and why I have a sort of love-hate relationship with the place is that many of the girls have a level of arrogance, self-importance and confidence completely at odds with their true place in the scheme of things. I suppose on one level, this illusion is a good thing, as long as the girls don't leave town.

Pattaya is like Brigadoon, in that it's a complete anomally, that preserves its unique introspective identity and way of doing things in the face of external cultural and social pressures both reactionary and progressive. It may not, like Brigadoon rise out of the mists every hundred years. But, like Brigadoon its a place where both Farang and Thai can largely forget social convention, completely suspend reality and act with impunity.

LittleBigMan
05-10-09, 09:03
Mr. OTH,

For years I have read your post, personally in my heart I refer to you as the Professor. I am one that just haven't had the time to learn or read many of the things you are referring to but in personal ways I have been learning them day by day by just living here in Pattaya.

When you refer to those that just come here on holidays I was one of those but I can tell you personally like yourself I hope and never wish for anyone to have to learn it first hand. So for those that can't understand what OTH, is talking about consider yourself lucky! Keep on Fucking and move on!

Now don't get me wrong! I don't live inside Pattaya itself near Walking St.. etc... you would never pick me out as a Farang even the locals can't. I never thought I would ever be living here but I have no regrets when it comes to my Thai wife and son. In the last few years I have gone through somethings that I would never wish it on anyone and from that experience it has really sour my way of thinking. Things as you say are just so backwards! and I can only speak for Pattaya. There are nights that I can't sleep and I have nightmares and vision of killing so many people that have wrong me here. These are visions that is bringing back some of my past which I have so long try to put behind me. I truly believe with my temper and personality if it wasn't for the love of my wife and son there would be bodies everywhere including many from my brothers wife family.

Hang in there OTH, you're not alone...

LBM

Daddy07
05-10-09, 10:21
...This is why I think that Pattaya is the best place for Farang who want to "let it all hang out" figuratively and literally. For the most part, the place is so far gone and cut-off from the norms of Thai society, that the "rules of engagement" are largely upside down. Walking around in the open, arm-in-arm with a hooker is greeted with a yawn of indifference by locals because it's the source of their bread and butter...or rice and chicken, I guess. Everyone from the highest HiSo business owner to the lowliest SW on beach road is so corrupted and at the same level, that the place is socially at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are...
So ... which form of social corruption is better from the point of view of a civilized fair minded human being, such as yourself and the rest of us hapless Farang in the LOS -- the one in which the status of an individual is determined by the irrational whims of the hi-born snobs and bigots, or the one allowing "at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are"?

The answer is a no-brainer IMHO. Pattaya, then is a shining egalitarian city on a hill, while the rest of Thailand is the social cesspit.

Jeff46
05-10-09, 11:00
Totally disagree with that statement. I'm not that old and live in a sheltered area in the middle of no where and even my society knew of Thai and other Asian countries where prostitution was liberal to say it kindly. We do not even have have good internet only dial up and very limited at that. So internet did nothing for that.

And if you were military then everyone knew of SE Asia as a good port of call.Just like to ad. That was ther german tour operator in the 80 85 who started with mass charter flight to Thailand. Pattaya took off thanks the german business first. Only few hotels in that time royal cliff siam hotel (today named amari hotel)then follows the uk italian french swiss later only the scandinavian coutries. Then the japaneese. Korean. Later later only the Russian. Yes all off this has nothing to do with the internet. Was more the word mouth to mouth promotion.

Old Thai Hand
05-10-09, 14:51
So ... which form of social corruption is better from the point of view of a civilized fair minded human being, such as yourself and the rest of us hapless Farang in the LOS -- the one in which the status of an individual is determined by the irrational whims of the hi-born snobs and bigots, or the one allowing "at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are"?

The answer is a no-brainer IMHO. Pattaya, then is a shining egalitarian city on a hill, while the rest of Thailand is the social cesspit.

Well, I don't know if I'd go that far. For the sake of relative brevity, I simplified, or perhaps over-simplified the concept. It's not merely the knobs lording it over the peasants. The masses are willing participants in this exercise, if only because for centuries it has been so relentlessly pounded into their brains, that they now enthusiastically contribute to its perpetuation. The whole concept of Puu yai - puu noi (literally, big man, little man) is not just the snobs and bigots at the upper echelon looking down on those below them. Those below them look down on those below THEM and so forth and so on, down the line. An example of this that I've noticed quite often in Bangkok are the ex-BGs married to expats, who often become quite insufferable, condescending c**ts when dealing with those they now perceive as below their newly acquired status. The girl next door to us, dresses to the nines (still a sow's ear, though) and is rude to the point of abuse to the maids in the building and the motor-cycle taxi guys outside the main door. It's proof positive that Thais, no matter where they are in the pecking order will, if opportunity presents itself find someone to look down on.

Anyway, I do think that a place like Pattaya, at least allows for a more level playing field for Thais from all walks of life. But, it's also a pretty fucked-up place full of fucked-up people in an even more incredibly fucked-up country that is as LBM describes it, "backward". "Backward" actually is IMO an understatement.

Member #3200
05-10-09, 15:56
As a Torontonian I always knew about Thailand being a fun place for mongering, but flight time & costs to travel to Thailand seem too much for a man of my financial standing; especially, when Cuba WAS the western hemisphere 3hr flight away mongering destination between 1994-2004 as the majority of the women in the DR just didn't float my boat (too dark for my liking).

Cuba the past few years has done a complete 180; especially, if your language skills are not that good as a result I have made 5 trips to Thailand in the past 2. 5 years and I will coming back until I get it right.

Run Mann
05-10-09, 18:40
I'm ever the provocateur. ;)

This is why I think that Pattaya is the best place for Farang who want to "let it all hang out" figuratively and literally. For the most part, the place is so far gone and cut-off from the norms of Thai society, that the "rules of engagement" are largely upside down. Walking around in the open, arm-in-arm with a hooker is greeted with a yawn of indifference by locals because it's the source of their bread and butter...or rice and chicken, I guess. Everyone from the highest HiSo business owner to the lowliest SW on beach road is so corrupted and at the same level, that the place is socially at least a relative bastion of equality and free-market aspirations, regardless of who you are. Money talks at such a deafening level in the crass commercial cesspit of Pattaya, that Thai culture is merely trotted out as window-dressing. As a result, what I've noticed there and why I have a sort of love-hate relationship with the place is that many of the girls have a level of arrogance, self-importance and confidence completely at odds with their true place in the scheme of things. I suppose on one level, this illusion is a good thing, as long as the girls don't leave town.



I will say this in defense of Pattaya (God help me). Pattaya city is often times not given a fair shake in terms of what it has to offer. Many people believe Pattaya is nothing more than Walking Street, Beach Road, 1st 2d and 3rd Road, Jomtien, Naklua and the 24 hour nightlife. In truth it is much more than that. My taxi driver has a home in Pattaya (with just the most scenic and tranquil view). Travelling to his home we rarely see any visitors because we are not in the tourist areas. There are also a lot of support groups in Pattaya ran by and supported by expats like Pattaya Expats Clubs, Alcoholics Anonymous, Pattaya Old age Home, Pattaya Orphanage Trust, Fr. Ray Foundation and Plutaluang Homeless Animal Shelter; they along with other groups provide a host of valuable community service and family events and support network to expats and residents. Also if you like golf, Pattaya is this place to be with all the championship golf courses there. Pattaya does offer more for expats and they are better off living there but not all for the negative reasons you cited. There are some good people living there doing some good things.

Having said all that, I will say that the place does have its issues but so does BKK which has a lot of the same negatives you listed as being in Pattaya. In some respects lower Sukhumvit and Patpong are worst than Pattaya. The corruption and cesspit reference is also not exclusive to Pattaya and I know you know that, overall Bangkok is not exactly a model city for clean family oriented type living. While it’s true that BGs can become culturally corrupt by entering the P4P scene, the Thai culture itself is culturally corrupt. Maybe BGs become more culturally corrupt or some would say they see the light but strict adherence to the culture is problematic in that it is hypocritical and corrupt.

Piper1
05-10-09, 19:40
Sorry guys - but you're over-analyzing. Wherever you live, life is as good as you make it.

I'll tell you some interesting non-mongering Pattaya stories when I get the time and inclination (and if you're interested). Here's a quick one: My regular Pattaya cabbie proudly introduced me to his 18 year old son a couple of days ago, and we all had a long cab-ride to Bangkok, as he was bringing his son to Bangkok on the same trip to his university courses. Mr. Cabbie is working his butt off for very long hours in a stressful and poorly-paid job to pay his son's university fees. He's a very proud father, from Pattaya.

Old Thai Hand
05-11-09, 03:43
Having said all that, I will say that the place does have its issues but so does BKK which has a lot of the same negatives you listed as being in Pattaya. In some respects lower Sukhumvit and Patpong are worst than Pattaya. The corruption and cesspit reference is also not exclusive to Pattaya and I know you know that, overall Bangkok is not exactly a model city for clean family oriented type living.

I totally agree. Bangkok is at times an absolutely horrible place. Any issue I have with Pattaya is as I've so often said, more to do with the type of Farang low-life you find there, than anything to do with the Thais. You're also correct that if you get away from the main areas, there's a lot to offer, especially just outside Pattaya in places like Bang Chang and further afield, Bang Saen.


While it’s true that BGs can become culturally corrupt by entering the P4P scene, the Thai culture itself is culturally corrupt. Maybe BGs become more culturally corrupt or some would say they see the light but strict adherence to the culture is problematic in that it is hypocritical and corrupt.

You're absolutely correct here as well, especially concerning Thai culture being culturally corrupt. I've often said that Thais lack moral fiber. One of the biggest challenges I face in teaching Thais is ethics, particularly frustrating when I have to teach a course on 'Ethics'. They simply operate on a completely different wave-length than we do with regard to what they see as right and wrong, which is btw, per my previous comments directly tied into their notion of status.

Perhaps I spend too much time over-intellectualizing all of this. But, I write about it here because there are more than a few questions and remarks made by ISGers about why Thais think and act the way they do, to justify my attempts, still often not entirely on the mark, to explain the Thai mindset.

Old Thai Hand
05-11-09, 03:49
As a Torontonian I always knew about Thailand being a fun place for mongering, but flight time & costs to travel to Thailand seem too much for a man of my financial standing; especially, when Cuba WAS the western hemisphere 3hr flight away mongering destination between 1994-2004 as the majority of the women in the DR just didn't float my boat (too dark for my liking).

Cuba the past few years has done a complete 180; especially, if your language skills are not that good as a result I have made 5 trips to Thailand in the past 2. 5 years and I will coming back until I get it right.

I guess I led a sheltered life in Toronto, back then. :)

I was in Toronto shagging Italian princesses from Little Italy, Brazilian chicks from Bloor West and Chinese chicks from Spadina, and then my half-half (Metis) 22 y.o. GF, so didn't think about hookers of any sort, really. As you and I both know, Toronto is a such a culturally diverse city, that one doesn't need to get stuck with one of those "white whales", that so many guys on ISG seem to be escaping from.

I think it was when I saw a production of "Miss Saigon", that I really became aware of SE Asia as a sex destination. Before that, I just never thought about Asia.

LittleBigMan
05-11-09, 04:18
I want to clarify myself, but 1st I want to say I'm learning a lot from what is being said positive and negative!

One thing Thai's say to my wife and I know she understand this part about me is that although I 'm here in Pattaya. I don't consider myself a low life or loser as some have commented about Farangs being in Pattaya. Although I don't look like a Farang I'm am what I am period! Thai's say that I must been through a lot in my life because I really don't care what people have to say about me. I take a little here and there and try to learn something from it!

I don't want to give anyone the impression that I hate Pattaya now because I wouldn't have made this my home. Sure there are most likely places I can enjoy but Pattaya like my home has the ocean, lots of resources for Farangs, easy to get around, and you can nearly get everything that I have at home. I don't believe any one country, region of that country, or city has a consolidation of bad people but with my luck it seems I'm a magnet for bad things to come maybe because I have been around bad people nearly my whole life.

I wasn't born yesterday but I still believe in people and I refuse to believe that all people I am in contact with in Pattaya are bad but I am much more cautious and reserve now! Just this weekend before my son started school again today, I took the family and rented a small house on the beach at Ban Saray and just having no one around watching him play was the reason I came to Thailand and Pattaya. Today back to the real world!

LBM

NicFrenchy
05-11-09, 05:09
I have a question for OTH (or Other Veterans),

I was at Emporium this weekend and noticed a lot of white/fair skinned girls, nicely dressed, but most of them were with a brown Thai guy.
Now why is that women would see men's color in a different light?

I mean, some of these guys were really dark compared to the girls. I guess the White/fair skin "standard" doesn't go both ways?

Old Thai Hand
05-11-09, 05:14
I want to clarify myself, but 1st I want to say I'm learning a lot from what is being said positive and negative!

One thing Thai's say to my wife and I know she understand this part about me is that although I 'm here in Pattaya. I don't consider myself a low life or loser as some have commented about Farangs being in Pattaya. Although I don't look like a Farang I'm am what I am period! Thai's say that I must been through a lot in my life because I really don't care what people have to say about me. I take a little here and there and try to learn something from it!

I don't want to give anyone the impression that I hate Pattaya now because I wouldn't have made this my home. Sure there are most likely places I can enjoy but Pattaya like my home has the ocean, lots of resources for Farangs, easy to get around, and you can nearly get everything that I have at home. I don't believe any one country, region of that country, or city has a consolidation of bad people but with my luck it seems I'm a magnet for bad things to come maybe because I have been around bad people nearly my whole life.

I wasn't born yesterday but I still believe in people and I refuse to believe that all people I am in contact with in Pattaya are bad but I am much more cautious and reserve now! Just this weekend before my son started school again today, I took the family and rented a small house on the beach at Ban Saray and just having no one around watching him play was the reason I came to Thailand and Pattaya. Today back to the real world!

LBM

Of course you're not a low-life. I wasn't implying that ALL Farang in Pattaya are low-lifes. But, there are a disproportionate number of them there: from UK yobs, to Eastern European mafia-types, to Western white-trash. Go sit in the food court at Carrefour and check out the weirdos having lunch. Sit by the pool, at the one of the myriad of condos, especially in the Farang Ghetto around that area and listen and watch. There are a lot of strange characters populating the place. It's the only place where many Farang have more tattoos than the BGs. There is a lot of nefarious activity going on, because Pattaya is perceived, quite rightly, I think as a bit of a wild-west town where anything goes. A lot of the Thais are sketchy, too. It's what gives colour to the place. But, it's also what makes it somewhat distasteful.

Sure there are a lot of nice guys, who've just found a good place to live.

It's just that there is at least an equal number, if not far more than are sketchy, at best, if not far worse than that. I've met more than a few that are there because they had a "spot of trouble" back home...meaning what? They didn't pay their Visa bill? skipped alimony payments? did a runner on a drug charge? murder? mayhem? what? I've met two Brits, separately, who were running from a GBH (Grievous Bodily Harm) charge. Pattaya has had more than it's fair share of Garry Glitter wanna-be-s. Then there are the murderers, who make the news when they are finally discovered hiding out there and extradited back home.

At least, nobody can ever say that Pattaya is boring.

Old Thai Hand
05-11-09, 05:25
I have a question for OTH (or Other Veterans),

I was at Emporium this weekend and noticed a lot of white/fair skinned girls, nicely dressed, but most of them were with a brown Thai guy.
Now why is that women would see men's color in a different light?

I mean, some of these guys were really dark compared to the girls. I guess the White/fair skin "standard" doesn't go both ways?

Yes, I've noticed this too. I don't totally get it, either. But, I do know that the white skin preference doesn't go the other way, nearly as much. But, if you look at the popular male celebrities in the country, most of them are white-skinned Thai-Chinese or Luk Kreung. The other thing I've noticed is that the Thai guys that a lot of TGs go out with are incredibly ugly by our standards. They either look like whiskey swilling low-class toughs looking for a fight, or wimpy girly-men.

I'm constantly amazed when I see my hot, breath-takingly stunning female students with Thai guys who are such pathetic looking wankers and who act like belligerent, spoiled, immature wankers, too.

LittleBigMan
05-11-09, 07:23
NicFrenchy and OTH,

I can't believe you two would say such low things about me! That brown guy was me!

I'm no spring chicken and certainly no Bruce Lee but I agree with your assessment that our western standard is that some of these Thai guys? One of my buddies a while back got took for a ride by his Bargirl, I saw a picture of this guy and I said "come on now" we can joke about it now but I told him how big is this guy dick? you must not have been fucking her right?

OTH, I know you didn't personally reference me directly as a low life so no worry! within my post I always joke somewhat. But you are right somewhat when you take a moment and take a look around but like your story about the cabbie, for every Thai scumbag there is another good one like the old cabbie guy that help you out.

LBM

Cunning Stunt
05-11-09, 08:40
... there are a lot of strange characters populating the place. it's the only place where many farang have more tattoos than the bgs. there is a lot of nefarious activity going on, because pattaya is perceived, quite rightly, i think as a bit of a wild-west town where anything goes...

do you mean this sort of saddo, strange characters? saw an interesting crimewatch uk special recently (download at http://www.mininova.org/tor/2573049 or at uk nova, if you are a member), about the work of the child exploitation and online protection centre (ceop) in thailand, and particularly in pattaya. it appears that there are still flourishing **** and child procurement rings active in the pattaya area, particularly around the soi sunee area.

fortunately, this time, they were successful in catching 2 brits, 1 american and a german (last december, i believe), and they can all look forward to lengthy unpaid positions as anal/oral hoe’s in some godforsaken thai hellhole, as the guests of his royal majesty:d.

NicFrenchy
05-11-09, 08:52
NicFrenchy and OTH,

I can't believe you two would say such low things about me! That brown guy was me!

LBM,

I did not mean for my post to sound racist, I was just surprised by this fact this weekend, especially after all the discussions here about thai guy's preference for White girls.

I can also Tell you that there is a Thai guy in my company that has a german girlfriend, and this guy is really considered a STUD now for having landed this white chick. the other Thai guys are really looking up to him.
Unfortunately, the guy's a drunkard, lazy, comes late... he must have a huge dick :D

Member #3428
05-11-09, 09:12
I did not mean for my post to sound racist, I was just surprised by this fact this weekend, especially after all the discussions here about thai guy's preference for White girls.

I can also Tell you that there is a Thai guy in my company that has a german girlfriend, and this guy is really considered a STUD now for having landed this white chick. the other Thai guys are really looking up to him.
Unfortunately, the guy's a drunkard, lazy, comes late... he must have a huge dick :D

The current girl I am seeing is at home for a funeral, she told me today that she was in the sun too much and she might be darker when she gets home. I said good I don't like white skinned and have told her before when she was putting on powder and such that I don't like it. She thought I was joking as according to her "all farang like white skin over dark skin." She was really offended that I was OK with her to get a darker skin color.

For the guys.. it's all about Baht-n-ality, social status / position etc... I know some real loser guys that have hot chicks for some dumb reason or another. Don't understand it and could care less.

Then again most the folks wonder why the current girl is with me and it sure ain't cuz of what little baht I have. ;)

LittleBigMan
05-11-09, 10:16
NicFrenchy,

I think some of these conversations have been getting to all us. My post in no way was thinking racist in any manner to me! Now I can't speak for others. I was just joking around.

LBM

Old Thai Hand
05-11-09, 12:24
LBM,

I did not mean for my post to sound racist, I was just surprised by this fact this weekend, especially after all the discussions here about thai guy's preference for White girls.

I can also Tell you that there is a Thai guy in my company that has a german girlfriend, and this guy is really considered a STUD now for having landed this white chick. the other Thai guys are really looking up to him.
Unfortunately, the guy's a drunkard, lazy, comes late... he must have a huge dick :D

I've known quite a few expat women here over the years who've shacked up with Thai guys.

Two common elements that I've often noticed in these scenarios:

A/ The woman is often at best, mediocre and many times just coyote ugly, by our standards. If she's white, it doesn't seem to matter how homely she is. If she's blonde or ginger, she's a goddess in their eyes

B/ The Thai guy usually corresponds in looks to the Thai girls that the majority of Farang men go after.
The added feature here is that they often seem to fall into two main categories: Muay Thai Boxers or Motorcycle taxi guys or something similar

Lots of Farang women on holiday shag the cabana boys on the islands, or the boys that work on the various ferry boats.

At the universities, the Farang female students tend to favour a broader spectrum from HiSo Thai-Chinese to Isaan guys. But, many still like to aim low and slum with those, rough swarthy, tattooed Thai thugs.

A friend of mine, who was actually a very attractive strawberry blonde went against type and dated a Thai-Chinese guy, who turned into a psycho stalker, when she dumped him. She was forced to leave Thailand to get away from him.
The straw that broke the camel's back was when she discovered that he had clipped some of her ginger pubes while she was asleep and had made them into a key-chain that he showed to all his mates.

LittleBigMan
05-11-09, 13:30
Are you guys talking about me again?

LBM

Satrai2000
05-11-09, 15:38
Yes, I've noticed this too. I don't totally get it, either. But, I do know that the white skin preference doesn't go the other way, nearly as much. But, if you look at the popular male celebrities in the country, most of them are white-skinned Thai-Chinese or Luk Kreung. The other thing I've noticed is that the Thai guys that a lot of TGs go out with are incredibly ugly by our standards. They either look like whiskey swilling low-class toughs looking for a fight, or wimpy girly-men.

I'm constantly amazed when I see my hot, breath-takingly stunning female students with Thai guys who are such pathetic looking wankers and who act like belligerent, spoiled, immature wankers, too.Isn't this the case in the whole world? Everywhere you go you see gorgeous chicks with ugly, rude, uncivilized men that don't know how to dress properly. Nowadays it seems you have to be like this or else people think you are gay. I heard this often enough.

Amjeck
05-11-09, 21:44
For the guys.. it's all about Baht-n-ality, social status / position etc... I know some real loser guys that have hot chicks for some dumb reason or another. Don't understand it and could care less.


It's all about game! Guys who play good game get hot chicks. Same game in every country all around the world. Women fall in love with guys who play them like a toy. Some of these guys are ugly, poor, rich, , winners, losers, etc.

Old Thai Hand
05-14-09, 07:09
Never Bite Off More Than You Can Chew

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30102675/Thai-woman-bites-Belgian-tourists-organ

Daddy07
05-14-09, 10:04
Never Bite Off More Than You Can Chew

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/breakingnews/30102675/Thai-woman-bites-Belgian-tourists-organ
Almost makes you start to wax nostolgic for your mad cabbie, doesn't it? :D

NicFrenchy
05-28-09, 02:41
Talking to some of my female staff last night at a party, 2 of them admitted having purchased the services of "Male" prostitutes.
Let me start by saying that these girls aren't in their 20s and that I would not even think of sex with them (even for free).

They then rambled on about how good the guys were. Of course, every other girls were interested adn immediately started to compare with their own Boyfriends/husbands.
These Male prostitutes are 2,000 for the night and guarantee a 5 shot session. One girl said that there is a guy which is more expensive (4,000) but apparently his dick does not go down the whole night... he can fuck/come, fuck/come until the early hours of the morning (I guess we have found the LOCAL Rabbit).

Another girl also started to say that her Farang Boyfriend was very good in bed and always horny & ready to fuck.
Many girls complained that their BF or Husbands were not so interested in sex and wished that they would jump them more often.
(that might be why so many good girls look for sex on the side)

Anyhow, at one point they all turned to me and asked me if Farang men think about sex all the time, hom many times a night can we have sex, how big is our "ding-dong" (the lady with the farang boyfriend assured them that we were BIGGER). Anyway, I was able to get away in one piece.

I can say one thing, for those of you who work in Thailand, and don't mind fucking your own staff (a no-no for me) here's what to do:

1. Go to a noisy restaurant ie: Sizzler, KFC
2. Order a lot of food
3. Order Pitchers of cocktails (no beer, most good TG hate it)
4. Talk about food for an hour
5. Start to ask sexy questions

With the effect of Alcohol, the girls will loosen their tongues adn get very horny... the rest is up to you
You will learn a lot about your staff's sex life.

LAst night, I learned that one girl I thought was very tame already got her ass stuffed by her Thai BF.

Old Thai Hand
05-28-09, 03:29
Talking to some of my female staff last night at a party, 2 of them admitted having purchased the services of "Male" prostitutes.
Let me start by saying that these girls aren't in their 20s and that I would not even think of sex with them (even for free).

They then rambled on about how good the guys were. Of course, every other girls were interested adn immediately started to compare with their own Boyfriends/husbands.
These Male prostitutes are 2,000 for the night and guarantee a 5 shot session. One girl said that there is a guy which is more expensive (4,000) but apparently his dick does not go down the whole night... he can fuck/come, fuck/come until the early hours of the morning (I guess we have found the LOCAL Rabbit).

Another girl also started to say that her Farang Boyfriend was very good in bed and always horny & ready to fuck.
Many girls complained that their BF or Husbands were not so interested in sex and wished that they would jump them more often.
(that might be why so many good girls look for sex on the side)

Anyhow, at one point they all turned to me and asked me if Farang men think about sex all the time, hom many times a night can we have sex, how big is our "ding-dong" (the lady with the farang boyfriend assured them that we were BIGGER). Anyway, I was able to get away in one piece.

I can say one thing, for those of you who work in Thailand, and don't mind fucking your own staff (a no-no for me) here's what to do:

1. Go to a noisy restaurant ie: Sizzler, KFC
2. Order a lot of food
3. Order Pitchers of cocktails (no beer, most good TG hate it)
4. Talk about food for an hour
5. Start to ask sexy questions

With the effect of Alcohol, the girls will loosen their tongues adn get very horny... the rest is up to you
You will learn a lot about your staff's sex life.

LAst night, I learned that one girl I thought was very tame already got her ass stuffed by her Thai BF.


Even for veterans, it's still sometimes surprising to find out just how secretly wild regular TGs are.

Your description reminded me of a similar party many years ago with the staff from The Nation. I still look at the columns of several female reporters and think, "If their readers only knew."

At a more recent party at an Italian restaurant with a group of female students, who were graduating, a lot of fairly lurid tales surfaced after several pails of Italian vino. These daughters of various Thai captains of industry get up to all kinds of mischief while Daddy's off earning millions.

OldAsiaHand
05-29-09, 05:41
I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.

How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?

OAH

Daddy07
05-29-09, 06:40
I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.

How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?

OAH
That's probably because so few of us who contribute to this thread are stupid enough to find ourselves obligated in that kind of situation. :)

Crazykf
05-29-09, 07:09
I have viewed the last 10 pages or so of this thread and have not found the answer to my question.

How much is the average monthly stipend nowadays to support a TG and her family obligations?

OAHWell I was stupid enough (blinded by TG magic) to support a girl for a few months, also in order to get her to come with me on a holiday (stupid I know).
They will try to get about 40k baht, with a minimum of 30k.

There's the car (10k), the baby / daddy / mummy / crumbling house in Isaan, the room in BKK, etc...of course when you try to get all the details on exact expenditures it gets fuzzy! But they will give you some details sometimes to make it realistic.
When you only give 10k ("it's ok, I'm happy you help me tilak"), be sure they will come back to you later in the month asking for the remaining 20k+.

Magic.

LittleBigMan
05-29-09, 08:22
O.K. Daddy07, watch it.


OldAsiaHand,

Not being too stupid, that is a very hard question even for me to answer. But use your common sense and think about it first even for Thailand. It's going to depend on so many factors? How many in family, what are you supporting, house, car, etc... and what expectations does she have from you and you better watch out for the " up to you line " Thais like to use. If you get the wrong women you're in for a wild ride because no matter how much you give them it will never be enough since they don't have to pay for it.

LBM

OldAsiaHand
05-29-09, 16:28
Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.

It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.

I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.

It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?

Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.

My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?

It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?

OAH

Old Thai Hand
05-29-09, 17:19
Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.

It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.

I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.

It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?

Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.

My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?

It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?

OAH

Short answer: DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH ANY POOR TG! Period.

Why in Gawd's name would you want to? What do you have in common? You are guaranteed to get involved in the minutae of her family's problems: the inevitable deadbeat brother, the younger sister who needs school fees, the house that's falling down and needs replacing. The sudden need for a new motorcycle, or truck, new appliances for the house etc. etc. The only reason Farang get involved with these tiresome drains on one's life and finances is because it really easy.

It may take more effort. But, get a middle class girl. If she wants any money, it will be modest. I used to give mine 7500/month, while she was studying. But, when she got a job, I stopped and she was fine with that, because she had her salary. She even started contributing to the household expenses, at least in terms of buying groceries. You certainly won't have to help with her family. They'll all have good jobs and income. My GF's brothers are all cops, her sister works for a 5-star hotel in Shianghai, her father was a district government minister and is now retired. He is building a brand new house in her village in Isaan, and I have never been asked, nor have I contributed one single satang to its construction.

It's all very normal.

I don't consider myself exceptional in this regard. All my friends have similar types of GFs or wives and similar experiences.

Opebo
05-29-09, 18:35
B/ The Thai guy usually corresponds in looks to the Thai girls that the majority of Farang men go after.
The added feature here is that they often seem to fall into two main categories: Muay Thai Boxers or Motorcycle taxi guys or something similar

I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class...

Barko
05-29-09, 19:11
Thank you Magic and LBM for your candid answers. Daddy07, I believe they are not all bad, just most of them.

It's a typical story so I won't bore you with the details. I know I should know better having lived in Thailand for over 10 years in the past, being fluent in the language and having heard so many horror stories in the past.

I've heard all of what Crazykf describles except there is no baby or car, but there is a brother, an auntie and a grandmother.

It never ceases to amaze me how strong a TG's desire is to support everybody in their family. And, to sacrifice their own well being to that end. Must we accept and pay for this if we as farangs want a relationship with a TG from a poor upcountry family?

Let's assume for the moment that we are not talking about the conniving bargirl that has been on the game forever and is receiving inward remittances from multiple fools overseas while continuing to work. Let's assume that we are not talking about the TG that stays with a farang but still has a Thai husband or boyfriend on the side. As rare as it may seem to many of you, let's assume we are just talking about a TG with that strong desire to do everything she can for her family that falls in love with a farang that obviously has more money than she does.

My question was intended for farangs married to or living with TGs from poor families in long term relationships. How much are you handing over every month? How much extra have you done for her and her family; bought a house, bought a car, rebuilt the house upcountry, bought a farm, paid off the loans, etc.?

It has been awhile since I contemplated getting involved again. Many friends tell me to run as fast as I can. Are there absolutely no TGs out there that are genuine and do not just consider a farang to be an ATM machine?

OAHStaring off into the inky black rainy Phuket-Andaman Sea sky tonight, blinking my eyes a lot, thinking about this thing of yours a lot, a little too much maybe.

How many of us have been down the same road? Maybe all of us, (except for Daddy07 I suppose.) In my case it was Chiang Mai. Was doling out astronomical amounts, maybe 80-90K+ Baht/month.

One morning, after years of confusion and wistful clenched teeth pinched eyed agony, I just got out of bed, looked at myself in the mirror for a very long time, went outside, took a few deep drags off of Marlboro, flicked it into the road, and with absolute finality said to myself 'you are an idiot for trying to hold this thing together for so gadamm motherfucking long, fuck it', then, without looking back, I just left.

How many of us have done the same thing? Mai reu krup.

To answer directly? It's never the same, but I believe that there is a point between 20K and 25K that allows most Thai girls to simply nod out and leave you alone.

As opposed to what others may have said, I think that there are many of us out there that still feel that little twinge of pain, still get the little headaches off to one side, stlll feel the little confusions of the old hurts, and ultimately, understand the reasons why you are asking about this in the first place. It has nothing to do with stupid brother, nothing at all.

Barko
05-29-09, 19:22
I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class.Shitballs, that's easy to explain. Northern Thai guys Are all gay. Seriously.

Opebo
05-29-09, 22:33
Shitballs, that's easy to explain. Northern Thai guys Are all gay. Seriously.

You may be right but I don't see why you've felt it necessary to call me 'shitballs'. I mean it was just that one time...

;)

NicFrenchy
05-30-09, 00:03
Well I was stupid enough (blinded by TG magic)

Saying that there is "TG Magic" is the same as saying that Jesus Christ will come back to earth...

There is no such thing as TG Magic... all there is is dumb ass foreigner that come from abroad, only got laid with one white whale and get crazy once they see a tight pussy. They are not magicians, we are fools.

Old Thai Hand
05-30-09, 01:03
I've known quite a few farang girls (teachers of course) who had Thai boyfriends, and almost to a man those fellows were Southerners. Southerners are much bolder and more macho, as I understand it. But I have to say I've never met a farang female who dated any Thai guy who was below middle class...

Yes, I agree. Southern guys too. The girls like the aggressiveness, dark skin and Malay features. But, I stand by what I said. I've known loads of Farang women who have hooked up with tattoed rougnknecks from Isaan, many of whom are also bxers.

But, I've also known some who've dated middle-class and up Thai-Chinese. So, there is still some mixture of tastes.

Old Thai Hand
05-30-09, 01:15
How many of us have been down the same road? Maybe all of us, (except for Daddy07 I suppose.) In my case it was Chiang Mai. Was doling out astronomical amounts, maybe 80-90K+ Baht/month.

When you guys start talking about these large sums of money, which seem to take centre stage in the discussions, it should be a clear warning sign that you've gone down the wrong path with the wrong sort of Thai woman, whether "reformed" P4P, or impoverished, naiive, village girl.

IMO, guys like this all have a warped, screwed-up sense of the reality of Thai women, because they have narrowed their focus and experience to such an extent, they only know one type of girl, and from that incorrectly surmise that all Thai women operate on the same basis. Also, Isaan farmgirls, especially after what they've seen and heard about Farang from working in bars, or, in the case of the naiive girl, from the local matchmaker and on Internet dating sites, also have a fucked up (through need and pure desperation) view of Farang. It's a mutually poisonous situation. These girls aren't Thai, but pure Isaan and they think differently, than girls from the rest of the country.

If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.

Sorry. But, it IS STUPID!

Barko
05-30-09, 04:03
Sorry. But, it IS STUPID!Whatever you say.

We had a 350 square meter house on 10 Rai with an unadulterated view of 30 kilometers of rice fields & Doi Suthep, 3 cars, and traveled to the US, China, Japan & Europe together. She was a university professor probably still is, whelped from a wealthy Chinese family, spoke 9 languages. And me, well OK sure, like you said, I was just a stupid fucking idiot.

Different train of thought here from what you may have assumed perhaps. ;)

At any rate, our relationship reflected the realities of the modernist 20th Century educated couple in Asia.

Daddy07
05-30-09, 04:09
...If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.

Sorry. But, it IS STUPID!

This is what often happens to Farang who fall in love with Thai women and start giving them money -- they end up insane living in a junk car: :D

http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/may/news_29_05_52.shtml

Barko
05-30-09, 04:26
This is what often happens to Farang who fall in love with Thai women and start giving them money -- they end up insane living in a junk car:Heh. That is the funniest shit I have seen all day. Am I warped or what?

Hope that isn't you someday Daddy0. :D

Mr Enternational
05-30-09, 06:04
I am happy that this topic is being discussed here right now because I was just online talking to a lady friend of mine in Bangkok. Her sister just married a guy from the USA last month. She is 33 years old. Non-pro. I can say that I heard it first on ISG. Guys keep sending your money if you want to. Same game different day. Here is our convo:

(F) L (L) says (12:44 AM):
I REALLY PITTY DANIEL
mrenternational says (12:44 AM):
why?
(F) L (L) says (12:44 AM):
MY YOUNG SISTER NOT HONEST TO HIM
mrenternational says (12:44 AM):
what she say?
(F) L (L) says (12:44 AM):
SHE HAVE THAI MAN TOO
mrenternational says (12:45 AM):
normal. thai woman always do same like that
(F) L (L) says (12:45 AM):
HEY NOT ME. IM NOT LIKE THAT. but alots of thai women like that
mrenternational says (12:47 AM):
what else she do?
(F) L (L) says (12:48 AM):
daniel send money she give money to thai bf
mrenternational says (12:49 AM):
yes. normal for thai girl to do that
(F) L (L) says (12:49 AM):
not me. im honest
(F) L (L) says (1:06 AM):
can i ask u something?
mrenternational says (1:07 AM):
tell me
(F) L (L) says (1:08 AM):
do u think i have to tell daniel or let him find out ?
mrenternational says (1:09 AM):
let him find out. do not say anything
(F) L (L) says (1:09 AM):
ok. she stay with thai bf every night. she talk with daniel morning 9 am and evening 8pm then gone to her thai bf room. i ask her why u do like that
mrenternational says (1:15 AM):
what she say?
(F) L (L) says (1:15 AM):
she said she like. i hope daniel will open his eyes head soon
(F) L (L) says (1:34 AM):
******,
What happened to my wife? I tried to talk with her today I could not. Her phone finally got turned off. She is not on line for me to chat with. Have u seen her? Is she ok? Am very worried. I love her mak mak. Tell her to call me.
Daniel
(F) L (L) says (1:34 AM):
i cant help him
(F) L (L) says (1:34 AM):
like you said let him find out by him self

Old Thai Hand
05-30-09, 10:18
Whatever you say.

We had a 350 square meter house on 10 Rai with an unadulterated view of 30 kilometers of rice fields & Doi Suthep, 3 cars, and traveled to the US, China, Japan & Europe together. She was a university professor probably still is, whelped from a wealthy Chinese family, spoke 9 languages. And me, well OK sure, like you said, I was just a stupid fucking idiot.

Different train of thought here from what you may have assumed perhaps. ;)

At any rate, our relationship reflected the realities of the modernist 20th Century educated couple in Asia.

Yes, a very atypical situation compared to the common story you hear. But, it begs the question: why were you giving her so much money, if she came from such a well-to-do background?

Or, am I missing something?

Barko
05-30-09, 11:57
Yes, a very atypical situation compared to the common story you hear. But, it begs the question: why were you giving her so much money, if she came from such a well-to-do background?

Or, am I missing something?Nope, you aren't missing anything. That is precisely the point.

I was shooting her a $2000+ USD monthly allowance (she made shit money as a teacher, but she seriously enjoyed the "ajahn" family face recognition factor) and soon I found that the money would disappear as fast as it was going into her bank account.

She was a Chinese blooded Thai, attractive, extremely high maintenance, and very caught up in the entire Hi-so thing. She lent money, bought tons of insanely useless baroque looking crap that I hated, was involved with so much local polysocial bullshit stuff that she was spending more time with her richy richy fucking old kindergarten girlfriends than she was me. I too had my own sphere of influence, more on the International level, and the juxtaposition of the intersection points with her had essentially dwindled into a virtual vacuum. Then, finally, the two of us simply became like oil and water, we just didn't mix. The relationship lasted six years, but it was indeed long enough. And yes, it was a long long time ago now.

I don't think she had another guy, even though over the years a few of her male students and some profs hit on her with some seriousness, but she didn't seem to try to hide anything really.

During my time with her, I learned a lot about the social levels and inner workings of the Thais, the way they manipulate and double deal, the way they sandbag on important issues, and the way they lie with abandon. But, I also did find, however, that they do it to themselves just as much as they they to it to farangs, if not more.

Now I wince a bit about it when I hear other guys trying to salvage their lives and getting themselves to a point of being able to move on. I try to turn a kind ear. I also throw up a great big red flag when I hear of someone about to fall into the pit.

Yeah, so, I basically went out that front door with my passport, my wallet, briefcase, the suit of clothes on my back, and the remains of what little pride I had left. I had essentially decided to give her everything, she just wasn't going to get the allowance to blow any more. No more of my money to fiddle fuck away.

And yeah, I had no idea at the time that I was really never going back, but I knew I wasn't going to find myself fighting with her family, haggling in and out of court over useless shit I really didn't want, nor was I going to waste my time listening to her trying to tell me that it was all my fault.

I just woke up one day, decided enough was enough, and walked.

I also said never ever again.

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LittleBigMan
05-30-09, 12:20
OTH,

The more one has the greater the expense to keep what you have. Barko had a lot since he use the word "WE" I assume he purchase most of the items he mentioned. As you well know being a professor doesn't make you rich so I'm thinking she was no more than middle class maybe that explains why he was giving 80,000 baht a month.

Just a wild guess? LBM

Old Thai Hand
05-30-09, 17:41
OTH,

The more one has the greater the expense to keep what you have. Barko had a lot since he use the word "WE" I assume he purchase most of the items he mentioned. As you well know being a professor doesn't make you rich so I'm thinking she was no more than middle class maybe that explains why he was giving 80,000 baht a month.

Just a wild guess? LBM

Obviously, in cases like this, each one is unique. I've known quite a few guys in a similar situation, who didn't spend that much.

As I said before, my gf is middle class. I usually gave her only 7500/month and never gave her more than 10,000. But, she lived with me and I paid all the household expenses, which I suppose should be taken into account, as well. But, even then it was never more than another 30,000 to run the house.

In both his case and mine, at least we weren't chumps living abroad sending tons of money to someone we weren't even with.

Sanook D
05-31-09, 04:55
If you always limit yourself to poor Isaan girls of one type or another, you're doomed to repeat the money cycle and the accompanying pain involved, over and over and over again.

Well, if a guy is intent on hooking up "long time" (more than week) with a girl from Isaan, I would recommend at least finding a nice Khmer girl. There is much better chance, though certainly no guarantee, that she'll at least have a soul (by which I mean she might not be a total sociopath).

As to the fascination of some other guys with the "hi-so" (what a contemptible arriviste locution) Teochew chickies, I really don't get it, other than the possibility that, having internalized the prejudices of modern Thai society, the company of the pale-skinned Thai Eloi relieves somewhat the sense of self-loathing that accompanies the perpetual outsiderdom of the permanent farang resident- "Look at me, I'm connected, I'm accepted." What's the difference between the Benz-flaunting whiter-than-Caucasian Thai rentier class and their Isaan slaves? The former have more money, plus the good manners to pick their noses in private (usually) and chew with their mouths closed (maybe a bit less than usually); good luck finding any difference in terms of morality, honesty, or empathy. They represent nothing more than the opposite ends of the income spectrum in a society staunchly proud of its inherent corruption and violence; scratch through the veneer, be it brand-name sophistication or charmingly insouciant vulgarity, and in either case find a tribalistic mercenary cryptofascist imp beneath.

So what choices does that leave the farang foolishly seeking something real in the Land of Illusion? (Leave aside the pointlessness of such attempts.) In my case, good fortune, although it has not always felt that way, has entrusted me to the care of a tall, very dark, square-shouldered, straight-nosed, emotionally uncomplicated, fiercely loyal, darkly jealous central Thai. She's the dedicated mother of our child, a mink in the sack, and a sorceress in the kitchen, intellectually curious yet more than a bit simple, with no fear of hard work and no concept of money management. She comes from a farming family with ample land, reliable crops, and never enough cash in a village of solid teak houses near the center of what I call the 3-P Triangle of Phitsanulok, Petchabun, and Phichit. Her family's treatment of me is diffident at best (that would also describe my own treatment of them), but there is no question that our half-caste child is a beloved member of their family. Our five years together, with the occasional crack-up and reconciliation, has been an education for both of us. I don't know how I would advise someone wishing to duplicate my somewhat dubious "success", and not sure how I would proceed were I miraculously offered a do-over. I know I would have been very unlikely to find such a deeply proud woman dancing in a bar or working as a hostess, which is not to say that she wouldn't have happily married for money or even settled for a mia noi role had the proper terms been on offer before she met me.

I'm not saying it is impossible to meet sincerely nice women in bars here, but to expect a girl from that setting to stop seeing you as a mark is akin to believing the used car salesman is your friend because you've had a beer or two together; he might honestly think you're a great guy when he is taking your money, but he is still not going to mention the cracked engine block. If you fall in love with one of the local pros by all means savor the emotion to the fullest, but take a cue from locals and find some detachment as true Buddhist would. Parting is sweet sorrow, much, much sweeter than the sorrow awaiting those don't depart. And here is some advice to those thinking of sending money post-departure; consider folding your $100 bills/50-pound notes into little paper airplanes and tossing them from a high window. Watching your money soar away on the wind is surely more thrilling than transmitting it down a wire, and brightening the day of anonymous passerby is at least as satisfying as buying a new TV for a mother in Isaan and keeping "uncle's" Mekong supply stocked up.

Old Thai Hand
05-31-09, 14:11
Well, if a guy is intent on hooking up "long time" (more than week) with a girl from Isaan, I would recommend at least finding a nice Khmer girl. There is much better chance, though certainly no guarantee, that she'll at least have a soul (by which I mean she might not be a total sociopath).

As to the fascination of some other guys with the "hi-so" (what a contemptible arriviste locution) Teochew chickies, I really don't get it, other than the possibility that, having internalized the prejudices of modern Thai society, the company of the pale-skinned Thai Eloi relieves somewhat the sense of self-loathing that accompanies the perpetual outsiderdom of the permanent farang resident- "Look at me, I'm connected, I'm accepted." What's the difference between the Benz-flaunting whiter-than-Caucasian Thai rentier class and their Isaan slaves? The former have more money, plus the good manners to pick their noses in private (usually) and chew with their mouths closed (maybe a bit less than usually); good luck finding any difference in terms of morality, honesty, or empathy. They represent nothing more than the opposite ends of the income spectrum in a society staunchly proud of its inherent corruption and violence; scratch through the veneer, be it brand-name sophistication or charmingly insouciant vulgarity, and in either case find a tribalistic mercenary cryptofascist imp beneath.

So what choices does that leave the farang foolishly seeking something real in the Land of Illusion? (Leave aside the pointlessness of such attempts.) In my case, good fortune, although it has not always felt that way, has entrusted me to the care of a tall, very dark, square-shouldered, straight-nosed, emotionally uncomplicated, fiercely loyal, darkly jealous central Thai. She's the dedicated mother of our child, a mink in the sack, and a sorceress in the kitchen, intellectually curious yet more than a bit simple, with no fear of hard work and no concept of money management. She comes from a farming family with ample land, reliable crops, and never enough cash in a village of solid teak houses near the center of what I call the 3-P Triangle of Phitsanulok, Petchabun, and Phichit. Her family's treatment of me is diffident at best (that would also describe my own treatment of them), but there is no question that our half-caste child is a beloved member of their family. Our five years together, with the occasional crack-up and reconciliation, has been an education for both of us. I don't know how I would advise someone wishing to duplicate my somewhat dubious "success", and not sure how I would proceed were I miraculously offered a do-over. I know I would have been very unlikely to find such a deeply proud woman dancing in a bar or working as a hostess, which is not to say that she wouldn't have happily married for money or even settled for a mia noi role had the proper terms been on offer before she met me.

I'm not saying it is impossible to meet sincerely nice women in bars here, but to expect a girl from that setting to stop seeing you as a mark is akin to believing the used car salesman is your friend because you've had a beer or two together; he might honestly think you're a great guy when he is taking your money, but he is still not going to mention the cracked engine block. If you fall in love with one of the local pros by all means savor the emotion to the fullest, but take a cue from locals and find some detachment as true Buddhist would. Parting is sweet sorrow, much, much sweeter than the sorrow awaiting those don't depart. And here is some advice to those thinking of sending money post-departure; consider folding your $100 bills/50-pound notes into little paper airplanes and tossing them from a high window. Watching your money soar away on the wind is surely more thrilling than transmitting it down a wire, and brightening the day of anonymous passerby is at least as satisfying as buying a new TV for a mother in Isaan and keeping "uncle's" Mekong supply stocked up.


Nicely put.

AndyBKK
05-31-09, 20:27
If you born into a poor Thai family as a guy, you will either:

-sell drugs

-rob something or someone

-become a cabbie in Bkk to rob tourist or make measly commission convincing them to go to B-rated massage parlors, expensive seafood restaurants with bad food, and/or jewelry shop

-you will try to convince tourists that you're their friend by recommending that they buy gems at lower prices and making big money by selling the rocks for a profit in their home country

-you will introduce your pretty cousin from issan to your new tourist friends. Of course your "cousin" charges 3000B to spend the night, but you tell the tourist it cost 6000B.

If you are born as a girl in a poor Thai family, you will

-sell your body in a go-go bar, massage parlors

-fall in love with a loser Thai guy and give him money that you made on your back

-lie to your many sponsors, stating how much you love each one

-try to convince yourself that your "customer" is your lover

-bring your farang bf to issan and convince him to build you a house. You give the land and he has to build the house. It only seems fair..50/50 , right.

-tell your farang boyfriend that your Thai BF is your Brother / Cousin / Uncle

-send money back home to your parents, who will spend in on lucky numbers and Thai whisky

-pay for a Male prostitute to fuck you to make you feel like a pretty woman. ( sleeping with hairy old farangs everyday can be a little depressing).

-you will have one or two customers who really cares, but they will figure out the lies sooner or later.

-when your time is up at the bar. You will be force to stand on the street ( Suk) or under a coconut tree ( Pattaya).

Overall life is tough in a 3rd world country, where there are a bunch of temples and monks. Boys and girls go to school in uniforms and are taught not to lie and steal. But hey the Thais have to eat, too.

Old Thai Hand
06-01-09, 04:00
Overall life is tough in a 3rd world country, where there are a bunch of temples and monks. Boys and girls go to school in uniforms and are taught not to lie and steal. But hey the Thais have to eat, too.

You left out...end up working in a beauty parlour, or becoming a mammasan (if shrewd enough).

You're wrong. In, fact boys and girls are taught, at least indirectly that it's perfectly acceptable to lie and steal. It's central to the culture, whether rich or poor.

Barko
06-01-09, 05:03
you left out. end up working in a beauty parlour, or becoming a mammasan (if shrewd enough).

you're wrong. in, fact boys and girls are taught, at least indirectly that it's perfectly acceptable to lie and steal. it's central to the culture, whether rich or poor.correct. cheating, lying, pilfering (beginning with stealing shoes in school) is key to survival here. there is no understanding of "if/then" whatsoever. period.

oth and oah, can i ask you a question?

i mean i am about as caustic as they come as far as discussing thai people, i agree with both of you most of the time, but you guys both really do take the cake.

i know it's none of my business, so consider this purely as a hypothetical, no answer required, but: what in the holy fuck are you doing here?

did you lose all your dough on a bad roulette spin in vegas, are you running from the heat/boogie man/ex-wife in your home countries, or do you just love being bummed out and want to intimidate others into joining your company of pissed old fucks? at some point along the line have you looked into the possibilities, of say, malaysia or cambodia?

you sound like those geriatric walk-up apartment shut-ins in boston, sneakily peeping out their lace window curtains at 3:30pm and swearing under their breath at the jr high kids coming home from school every day. you know what? those kids can see you, they really can. guys, something else you should know, and doctors will tell you this. you get a brain tumor from that shit.

The Pro
06-01-09, 05:18
But considering some of the scum US and European men you see in Bangkok, really poor gits who have, it seems, no education, no morals and no sense of respect, it can actually make you like the poor Thai's...........at least they are in general "nicer people" than some of the trash you see in Bangkok and Pattaya on "holiday".


If you born into a poor Thai family as a guy, you will either:

-sell drugs

-rob something or someone

-become a cabbie in Bkk to rob tourist or make measly commission convincing them to go to B-rated massage parlors, expensive seafood restaurants with bad food, and/or jewelry shop

-you will try to convince tourists that you're their friend by recommending that they buy gems at lower prices and making big money by selling the rocks for a profit in their home country

-you will introduce your pretty cousin from issan to your new tourist friends. Of course your "cousin" charges 3000B to spend the night, but you tell the tourist it cost 6000B.

If you are born as a girl in a poor Thai family, you will

-sell your body in a go-go bar, massage parlors

-fall in love with a loser Thai guy and give him money that you made on your back

-lie to your many sponsors, stating how much you love each one

-try to convince yourself that your "customer" is your lover

-bring your farang bf to issan and convince him to build you a house. You give the land and he has to build the house. It only seems fair..50/50 , right.

-tell your farang boyfriend that your Thai BF is your Brother / Cousin / Uncle

-send money back home to your parents, who will spend in on lucky numbers and Thai whisky

-pay for a Male prostitute to fuck you to make you feel like a pretty woman. ( sleeping with hairy old farangs everyday can be a little depressing).

-you will have one or two customers who really cares, but they will figure out the lies sooner or later.

-when your time is up at the bar. You will be force to stand on the street ( Suk) or under a coconut tree ( Pattaya).

Overall life is tough in a 3rd world country, where there are a bunch of temples and monks. Boys and girls go to school in uniforms and are taught not to lie and steal. But hey the Thais have to eat, too.

PinkPearl
06-01-09, 08:06
In, fact boys and girls are taught, at least indirectly that it's perfectly acceptable to lie and steal. It's central to the culture, whether rich or poor.Where do they learn this? In Thai Culture 101?

I assume that there are laws against theft in Thailand just as there is in every other nation on earth.

One day I was walking around with a bag that I forgot to zip and a Thai woman went out of her way to inform me of it rather than help herself to something inside.

In the laundry sent out from my hotel room I've forgotten some valuables in a pocket of my clothing and had them returned rather than stolen.

I've found store workers, like those in grocers and 7-11's, to be so honest that I don't bother to count my change anymore.

Even with all the P4P ladies who've cum to visit me, I can't recall any item ever being pinched, not even the most insignificant thing.

The maids who cleaned my rooms every day I'd trust with five figures. In fact, BTW, I've even had a P4P regular repay me the same.

It would not surprise me at all if theft is more rampant in the West.

Joe Friday 60
06-01-09, 14:34
both old thai hand and andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good. if you are that disenchanted with thailand you have been here too long and it may be time to move on if you still have a country you can go back to. the thais are no worse than any other nationality and far better than some. it's a hard life in the sex trade and girls who don't grow a tough shell won't survive long. i don't live here, but have visited several times over the years and have lived in and visited many other poor countries in asia and africa. i have never met a working girl who tried to convince herself that any of the farang men she goes with love her. she knows the score. western men tend to treat women better than thai or indonesian or mongolian or kazakh or african men, and she knows that too.

i wouldn't want to be a prostitute and i wouldn't want my either of daughters to become one, and i know that life can be tough, especially at the lower end of the market (someplace few of us have ever been - ever seen the cages in mumbai or the truck stops on the south africa-zimbabwe border?). a lot of girls in thailand have no choice, having effectively been sold by their families to the bangkok pimps. the pay is low and the work can be hard. last week i was with a lovely girl in jakarta. of the $30 i paid the house, she got to keep $9. i gave her another $10 as a tip.

but working as a bar girl may be preferable to being married to a brute of a guy who [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) you and keeps you pregnant until your tits hang down to your knees and beats you when he is not out spending the money for the kids' food on women and drink. it's not the greatest set of choices in the world, but faced with a life like that i'm not sure i wouldn't start turning tricks. the girls form some true friendships among themselves, and some of the more enlightened bar owners and mamasans treat the girls reasonably well. as a farang client if you treat the girls with respect and tip them generously, you aren't making their lives worse and you may make them marginally better.

i have met a lot of local girls in a girlfriend-type relationship with farang men and have been in a few such relationships myself. i find that both parties get something positive out of it. the girl is treated well and gently and generously and the guy has someone who caters to his desires and takes care of him and can overlook his protruding belly and ear hair in a way that no american woman would. there is nothing sinister about this. it may not be love, but it ain't bad.

Terry Terrier
06-01-09, 23:13
both old thai hand and andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good. if you are that disenchanted with thailand you have been here too long and it may be time to move on if you still have a country you can go back to. the thais are no worse than any other nationality and far better than some. it's a hard life in the sex trade and girls who don't grow a tough shell won't survive long. i don't live here, but have visited several times over the years and have lived in and visited many other poor countries in asia and africa. i have never met a working girl who tried to convince herself that any of the farang men she goes with love her. she knows the score. western men tend to treat women better than thai or indonesian or mongolian or kazakh or african men, and she knows that too.

i wouldn't want to be a prostitute and i wouldn't want my either of daughters to become one, and i know that life can be tough, especially at the lower end of the market (someplace few of us have ever been - ever seen the cages in mumbai or the truck stops on the south africa-zimbabwe border?). a lot of girls in thailand have no choice, having effectively been sold by their families to the bangkok pimps. the pay is low and the work can be hard. last week i was with a lovely girl in jakarta. of the $30 i paid the house, she got to keep $9. i gave her another $10 as a tip.

but working as a bar girl may be preferable to being married to a brute of a guy who [CodeWord124] (http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124) you and keeps you pregnant until your tits hang down to your knees and beats you when he is not out spending the money for the kids' food on women and drink. it's not the greatest set of choices in the world, but faced with a life like that i'm not sure i wouldn't start turning tricks. the girls form some true friendships among themselves, and some of the more enlightened bar owners and mamasans treat the girls reasonably well. as a farang client if you treat the girls with respect and tip them generously, you aren't making their lives worse and you may make them marginally better.

i have met a lot of local girls in a girlfriend-type relationship with farang men and have been in a few such relationships myself. i find that both parties get something positive out of it. the girl is treated well and gently and generously and the guy has someone who caters to his desires and takes care of him and can overlook his protruding belly and ear hair in a way that no american woman would. there is nothing sinister about this. it may not be love, but it ain't bad.
oth and andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good. you got that bit right. but the rest.....what relevance do the prostitution networks in mumbai and southern africa have to the ones in thailand? and families selling their offspring into prostitution in bangkok? do you have any proof of this? it never used to be like that, but i rarely punt there anymore.

Run Mann
06-01-09, 23:23
you get a brain tumor from that shit.

maybe or maybe not, actually sporadic ranting can be therapeutic. andy rooney has been ranting on 60 minutes for ages and it seems to have worked out well for him. however, i agree this is way over the top. what started off as honest analysis has turned into (falang and) thai bashing 101, to make matters worse, others are now joining the band. you just have to wonder where this is going and just what is the ultimate point of it as it relates to this sex board?

Old Thai Hand
06-02-09, 01:06
Where do they learn this? In Thai Culture 101?

I assume that there are laws against theft in Thailand just as there is in every other nation on earth.

One day I was walking around with a bag that I forgot to zip and a Thai woman went out of her way to inform me of it rather than help herself to something inside.

In the laundry sent out from my hotel room I've forgotten some valuables in a pocket of my clothing and had them returned rather than stolen.

I've found store workers, like those in grocers and 7-11's, to be so honest that I don't bother to count my change anymore.

Even with all the P4P ladies who've cum to visit me, I can't recall any item ever being pinched, not even the most insignificant thing.

The maids who cleaned my rooms every day I'd trust with five figures. In fact, BTW, I've even had a P4P regular repay me the same.

It would not surprise me at all if theft is more rampant in the West.

I've been robbed a couple of times by bargirls in the past, who've lifted what amounted to trinkets from my apartment. But, generally, Thais a honest when it comes to the situations you describe.

So, "steal" as such was probably the wrong word to use. More accurately, Thai students are taught that getting things the easy way; through corruption or stealing someone else's work or ideas is a perfectly normal thing to do. I encounter this attitude on a daily basis. For example, it's nothing for a dozen students to hand in the identical assignment (word for word) in class, which one copied from the Internet, while the rest copied from him. I see them sitting in class copying out another student's work, oblivious to the ethical issue. They are so blatant and uncreative about it, that they are easily caught. But, when caught, and given a '0', they don't understand what they did wrong. This way of thinking extends all the way up to Thai academics who steal research and publish it as their own. If you think of the huge amount of intellectual property rights violation in this country, it shows that it's considered perfectly acceptable to 'steal' (in that sense). This isn't just the shady guys on the street copying DVDs and Prada bags. The Thai media industry routinely use creative material without paying royalties, or images of Western celebrities, without permission.

They hate thinking. So, if they can avoid it by stealing someone else's hard work and efforts, they'll do it without any guilt, whatsoever.

NicFrenchy
06-02-09, 01:51
Both Old Thai Hand and Andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good.

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I don't live here, but have visited several times over the years and have lived in and visited many other poor countries in Asia and Africa.

Right, so you're a tourist. It does not really matter how many times you have visited, as long as you do not have to Put up with Thai People at work on a daily basis, you will never know.

I have been here for 4 years working and socializing with them and trust me, I see things very differently than even 2 years ago. OTH adn AndyBKK might sound jaded, but they're not very far from the truth

LittleBigMan
06-02-09, 04:38
No one starts out anywhere being jaded, coming to anyplace within the world and take the attitude that I going to fuck this bastard over. But like anywhere else shit happens right! and we always ask why me?

I didn't come to Thailand to be ripped off and with my damn luck that is exactly what happen not once but twice. Now did I come here thinking yeh I'm a ATM, kick me and the money will come out? Fuck No!

But something is funny, I get ripped off, try to get it back the legal way and people look at me and treat me like what the fuck are you doing? I go after them too hard and they treat and look at me like I'm the criminal. Then I do it my way the hardway the way I think they would understand it. I bring 6 guys to the guy house at 9PM at night, knock on the door, and the family starts crying. We pick the guy up nicely sit him down in front of the family and explain how the real world works. The family starts telling my family why is he doing this he doesn't need the money! I just shake my head thinking I guess I came to Thailand to to be fucked over like I'm the criminal. I just came here to take care of the my family!

People like myself and OTH, whatever our reason our choice come here to take care of business we didn't go looking for the problem. Now you guys that are on vacation or tourist that come here and blast us for bitching better look in the mirror first and realize that your own life is not perfect otherwise you wouldn't be doing what you yourself is doing across the Pacific or Atlantic! If we want to vent let us vent and if you want to hear it come to this thread. If you don't click to another thread but don't try to take our right away!

LBM

LBM

Member #3428
06-02-09, 07:45
One girl said that there is a guy which is more expensive (4,000) but apparently his dick does not go down the whole night... he can fuck/come, fuck/come until the early hours of the morning (I guess we have found the LOCAL Rabbit).

Who said I was local?

LittleBigMan
06-02-09, 08:18
There is a local place in Pattaya, somewhere near Soi 13/4 near the New Orleans haven't been there and I can't get a job there because the job can only be filled by a Thai National. The place is staff with Bi-sexual or Gay Thai's to service horny housewives or ugly or big Mammas that aren't getting it from their husband etc.. These Thai guy keep it up cause they load up on Viagra and other keep you going drugs that in the long run are harmful to ones health at those levels. They don't care as long as they get paid for it.
Now this is all hearsay from a couple of local Thai's!

I was thinking shit I would do it for free but I in no way would be keeping it up on day and night.

LBM

NicFrenchy
06-02-09, 09:05
Who said I was local?

No one.. you are the Overseas RABBIT
the Thai guy that fucks all night is the Local RABBIT ;)

and according to my lady staff, his dick stays hard the whole night (maybe he is pill-assisted?)

NicFrenchy
06-02-09, 09:29
i was laughing my ass off last night while at the supermarket of emporium.

here was this young 40some farang (clearly a tourist) with his evening purchase.

the guy was good looking and i really think he could have found a much much better looking "lady for the night".

looking at some fruits, she was shouting at every expensive ones (cherries, strawberries, grapefruits, peaches) "i want try this, i want that" and when the man questionned her about "are you going to eat this?" she was giving him a nasty look.

she clearly had the upper-hand and i felt bad for what looked like a nice guy being played like a puppet by a heavily tatooed, ugly face 40kg tg.

the 3 thai guys wrapping the fruits were amused and probably made fun of him because when they caught my eye they could not help but chuckle.

that guy probably ended up buying 10k of groceries.

maybe she wanted to make him pay for the fact that he had bargained her fee from 3k to 1k lt?

Member #3428
06-02-09, 09:40
The guy was good looking and I really think he could have found a much much better looking "lady for the night".

I am still amazed at the type of girls that guys are going out with in public. Granted I've picked some girls that were not beautiful but seriously some guys really go out with some butt ugly ladies and they seem happy to do so.

I keep looking at the ladies guys are pulling, looking at the girl I am with, and wonder if folks think she is butt ugly also in their mind. At least in my mind the current girl has all her teeth (straight ones too), no tattoo's, goes to a real university, and has a life plan.

Daddy07
06-02-09, 09:53
...She clearly had the upper-hand and I felt bad for what looked like a nice guy being played like a puppet by a heavily tatooed, ugly face 40kg TG...
In his mind, she's probaby an angel in heaven compared to the fat ugly shrew he keeps back at home with the kids in Farang land. :D

Old Thai Hand
06-02-09, 11:22
i was laughing my ass off last night while at the supermarket of emporium.

here was this young 40some farang (clearly a tourist) with his evening purchase.

the guy was good looking and i really think he could have found a much much better looking "lady for the night".

looking at some fruits, she was shouting at every expensive ones (cherries, strawberries, grapefruits, peaches) "i want try this, i want that" and when the man questionned her about "are you going to eat this?" she was giving him a nasty look.

she clearly had the upper-hand and i felt bad for what looked like a nice guy being played like a puppet by a heavily tatooed, ugly face 40kg tg.

the 3 thai guys wrapping the fruits were amused and probably made fun of him because when they caught my eye they could not help but chuckle.

that guy probably ended up buying 10k of groceries.

maybe she wanted to make him pay for the fact that he had bargained her fee from 3k to 1k lt?

she could have perhaps been his wife, which is even sadder.

i witness this type of spectacle on a weekly basis at carrefour. it astounds me the butt-ugly, not to mention rude, old hags some guys marry and what's worse have children with. the majority of thai shoppers at carrefour stare at these couples with a mixture of extreme bewilderment, slight trepidation and mild contempt. my gf and i sometimes get the same stares, but in reverse. thais look at us, and i'm sure wonder what a girl who looks like she does is doing with such a butt-ugly, not to mention rude, old geezer like me.

the farang guys look at me, then my gf, then their butt-ugly, rude hags and i'm sure think, "i drank too much singh-a and settled too quickly for the first thing that looked my way, that first night i arrived in bangkok. damn! where can i get me one of those?" at which point, his lovely wife, seeing him oggling my gf, screeches at him to hold their howling mutt of a kid.


in his mind, she's probaby an angel in heaven compared to the fat ugly shrew he keeps back at home with the kids in farang land. :d

oh, i don't know...some of these thai "brides" that i see guys stuck with could really make them wax nostalgic for the "white whale" they left back home.

Barko
06-02-09, 13:01
They hate thinking. So, if they can avoid it by stealing someone else's hard work and efforts, they'll do it without any guilt, whatsoever.Just an aside, I was in Long Gun about three months ago, hooked up with a very hot little spinner. Bought 2 drinks each and one chaser Heine for myself, that's it.

Turns out the little spinner's older sister was a bartender, 180 degree difference from the little one, dog fucking ugly, hard to look at her without turning my head with a wince and coughing a "whoa" out of the side of my mouth. And, obviously, she not liking that I was doing her little sister, not one bit.

Quickly barfined the spnner short time. Got her out and upstairs fast, ready to bang the holy living shit out of this one I was thinking to myself. Well. The fucking chick didn't do anything! I mean absolutely NOTHING, no taking off shoes, no taking off clothes, no shower, no nothing! I pleaded and prodded, teased and cajoled, but started feeling really fucking strange (reported here on ISG.) After ten minutes of watching the girl sit on the bed, looking at her cell phone, and stare at me, rolling her eyes from time to time and obviously waiting for something, I, without saying a word, woozily threw a grand on the bed and stumbled out the door then literally fell into the back seat of a taxi.

I was fucked up for three days. Slept, dizzy as shit, hard to hold head up. Couldn't eat anything, just laid in bed in the condo wondering if I was going to die.

Went back to LG the following weekend, walked straight to the back and asked mama if the same two sister chicks were there. In Thai, I told her that I thought I had been drugged and related the episode. She quietly sat me down in the upper booth type area, big smiles everywhere, told me that those girls were now gone, sent a waitress over, then wandered back over to her hang out spot to plant her elbow on the bar and talk to one of the waitresses. Looking back at her a minute later, I saw that she was giving me the hardest pinched eyed devil stare I have ever seen in Thailand. I had obviously fucked by saying something, and, I left. Pronto.

I know that there are members here that are close with the people that run that place. Any comments?

No matter what they tell you in the bars, magazines, online or otherwise, this shit still does happen in Thailand, and I was lucky enough to have been a very very bad boy in my youth and seemingly could handle the dose without quickly passing out. BTW, there is a major upsurge of this in Tokyo and Seoul lately, I wonder if the trend is making its way here.

OK: If it's easy, they will do you. If it's not, they just move on to the next mark. Don't make it easy for them, or you very well may suffer the consequences. East to say, and it's been a long time since I got hit (camera in Chiang Mai) but I have never forgotten. Thievery of any kind here, from some kid stealing your flip flops, to that HiSo dude taking the 10 million Baht you paid for your condo then running out of the country. The stuff is ingrained, seemingly acceptable, and a major part of the landscape.

Seydlitz
06-02-09, 13:58
More accurately, Thai students are taught that getting things the easy way; through corruption or stealing someone else's work or ideas is a perfectly normal thing to do. I encounter this attitude on a daily basis. For example, it's nothing for a dozen students to hand in the identical assignment (word for word) in class, which one copied from the Internet, while the rest copied from him. I see them sitting in class copying out another student's work, oblivious to the ethical issue. They are so blatant and uncreative about it, that they are easily caught. But, when caught, and given a '0', they don't understand what they did wrong. This way of thinking extends all the way up to Thai academics who steal research and publish it as their own. If you think of the huge amount of intellectual property rights violation in this country, it shows that it's considered perfectly acceptable to 'steal' (in that sense). This isn't just the shady guys on the street copying DVDs and Prada bags. The Thai media industry routinely use creative material without paying royalties, or images of Western celebrities, without permission.

They hate thinking. So, if they can avoid it by stealing someone else's hard work and efforts, they'll do it without any guilt, whatsoever.

Isn’t also the case that in Thai society appearance matters, not substance? You get a prominent wealthy situation because of who you are, from what family you were born etc. You only need to go through the moves of attending the right university and getting a degree not because you need to learn much but because it is an important social rite.

I guess that Thai academics need to have work published under their name. It does not matter that they write it themselves or pilfer it from somebody else. Hardly anybody will read it anyway.

It is really still a medieval society. There is a ruling class that is defined by blood line, not by ability and certainly not by merit. What I find amazing in this context is that there are still Thai companies that are run by Thai people, that there are Thai surgeons, Thai airline pilots, Thai central bankers, etc. Some of them at least seem to know what they are doing and do not appear to be completely phoney.

Old Thai Hand
06-02-09, 16:48
What I find amazing in this context is that there are still Thai companies that are run by Thai people, that there are Thai surgeons, Thai airline pilots, Thai central bankers, etc. Some of them at least seem to know what they are doing and do not appear to be completely phoney.

I think that there are some very hard-working, competent, self-made, (if heartless and ruthless) Thais, especially running Thai businesses. The problem is that the gene pool has become drastically weaked with their children.

Having had everything handed to them on a silver platter, having never had to work a day in their lives, having never had to face the consequences for sometimes unethical and immoral actions (being caught cheating at school and having Daddy bride the administrators) will guarantee they are a generation of ineffectual, spoiled lay-abouts. Just look at Taksin's son. He was so bad, that he got thrown first out of Chula, and later out of the lowly Ramkhamhaeng University for cheating on exams (in this case Daddy was told to "stuff it" when he tried to bribe the university chancellor). How did Taksin discipline his son on the immorality of his actions? He threw a load of money at him and set him up as an instantly successful photographer.

I teach a lot of these kids, and many have such a complete lack of basic morality and ethics, and a total disregard for working hard to achieve something, that it makes the current corruption endemic in the society seem tame.

There's no such thing as "Pride in a job well-done" here. It's more like gloating when you manage to pull the wool over somebody's eyes and win something for nothing.

Bearsk
06-02-09, 18:33
OTH
I am inclined to agree with you in some instances but not all Thais are like this. In some respects the lower socioeconomic level of Thai society does not have a choice but to work hard. Also some of the things you say are universally applicable - Fall of the Roman Empire, the Happsburgs and American in the 21st Century!
BSK


I think that there are some very hard-working, competent, self-made, (if heartless and ruthless) Thais, especially running Thai businesses. The problem is that the gene pool has become drastically weaked with their children.

Having had everything handed to them on a silver platter, having never had to work a day in their lives, having never had to face the consequences for sometimes unethical and immoral actions (being caught cheating at school and having Daddy bride the administrators) will guarantee they are a generation of ineffectual, spoiled lay-abouts.

NicFrenchy
06-03-09, 02:13
OK: If it's easy, they will do you. If it's not, they just move on to the next mark. Don't make it easy for them, or you very well may suffer the consequences.

Yep, that's why, even in Gogos, I order bottled water and I want to open the bottle myself.
The problem is, these cats are smart, the lady could well be rubbing the "substance" on her tits so that when you take a whiff: you're fucked ;)

Sanook D
06-03-09, 03:07
Yep, that's why, even in Gogos, I order bottled water and I want to open the bottle myself.
The problem is, these cats are smart, the lady could well be rubbing the "substance" on her tits so that when you take a whiff: you're fucked ;)

The only time I suspect I was drugged in a bar was when my buddy and I took rather heavy swigs (upon being offered) or two of what a couple of the girls were drinking at a bar in Nana. It was mixed concoction, tasting of Mekhong, Red Bull, and Buddha knows what else. I was already in my cups, so to speak, or I wouldn't have done it. At any rate, it had the opposite effect of a knock-out drink; I wound up staying up all night, couldn't have slept if I'd wanted. Whatever was in there was much stronger than Red Bull. The night was followed by a two-day hangover, probably the result of my body taking that long to sweep up the dead neurons (my friend, who drove himself home, experienced the same effects). Most unpleasant, and needless to say, I from then on I've stuck with what's on the menu.

AndyBKK
06-03-09, 03:45
Both Old Thai Hand and Andybkk are too cynical and jaded for their own good.Yes, you're right. But like a fellow member stated I am not too far from the truth. I was told by a local girl how much you love me and how she will love me forever. I was young at the time (22), dumb, and full of cum, so I believed this Hi-So hottie, who was a virgin.

Well, to make a long strong short. After I worked my ass off, brought 2 homes in here, land, and stash away quite a bit of money. My angel decides to leave me for a local loser, whose passions are gambling and playing lucky numbers.

Of course, I was stupid enough to put everything in her name because the stupid ass Thai laws state that I can not put it in mine, so she ran away with a lot of my hard work, but above all else she ran away with my dream.

Now I am not a old ugly beer belly guy. I am 30, good looking guy. Maybe even better looking then the guy she ran off with.

Now I am leaving with a former Nana bar girl, turned university student, and future lawyer. She is a hottie too, but I get bored with her at times and she has given me the green light to go fuck around and have even gone with me to go-go bars and karaoke places. I don't give her any money, but pay for her schooling which comes out to 50,000B ever term ( 5 months).

She has attempted to get additional money from me but I tell her to not go down that path in on way or another.

She wakes up every morning and the first thing she does if I'm having morning glory is drain my juices.

She will either suck me or fuck me whenever I am horny, which happens about 5-10 times everyday. And besides from the above-mentioned all she gets from me is multi-O s each day.

Also she was an anal virgin, but has since given the pleasure of filling that hole.

I routine play mind games with her by telling her that I will be leaving her. I have on 3 different occasions dumped her, but after a lot of crying and pleading from her I stayed.

Recently her younger sister (19) from up north, who is just as hot as her, broke up with her Thai BF and need a place to stay. The sister was thinking about her various options of employment in Bangkok and I was asked to give my opinion. One of the options for the sister was to go work at Nana.

In the end, I've decided to take the younger sister in.

As far as additional expenses are concern, there really isn't much because she eats what we ( the two of us) eat. And is a rather simple her for being so hot. The sister doesn't complain about anything and doesn't ask for anything either.

I went down to Pratunam, wholesale clothing district and purchased some jeans and shirt for both of them. ( my first gift after saying with the older sister, 20, for a year and a half.) The prices were amazingly inexpensive. Jeans that would normally go for 300-500B where 150B.

Anyway, I just realized that I am rambling on on. So I will get to the point. Should I have sex with the younger sister? ( the older one has in one way or another hint that it was ok for me to make her sister a mia noi Lol)

Should I leave? Should I thank my lucky stars that I am living with two hot girls from Issan? Give me some inputs.

Opebo
06-03-09, 10:21
I routine play mind games with her by telling her that I will be leaving her. I have on 3 different occasions dumped her, but after a lot of crying and pleading from her I stayed.


I think this is the key to the relative success of this relationship for you - ill treatment is almost always what wins hearts with the fair sex.

(this is true in any country or culture, not just Thailand)

AndyBKK
06-03-09, 10:36
I think this is the key to the relative success of this relationship for you - ill treatment is almost always what wins hearts with the fair sex.

(this is true in any country or culture, not just Thailand)Since my recent break up with my ex, I am using the fuck with their mind approach and it gets them off so badly, they crawl back asking for more of my liquid vitamin. I would recommend you guys try it if you are planning on staying here for a while or maybe you can do it into your home country.

This is the same approach that many dating coach teaches. The pull and push routine, will keep them wanting to win you over. The direct results of this is deep throat, anal sex, threesomes with your girl, and pretty much anything else you have on your mind because to her the precious few moments spent with you can end at anytime. I think this is why so many ugly broke guys back home ends up with the hotties chicks or the high school thug is able to hook up with the pretties cheerleader.

Oh, what a sad world we live in when all we do is play games. :)

When In doubt use the 4 F approach -

Find them
Finger them
Fuck them
Flee

Macheath
06-03-09, 17:44
Yes, you're right. But like a fellow member stated I am not too far from the truth. I was told by a local girl how much you love me and how she will love me forever. I was young at the time (22), dumb, and full of cum, so I believed this Hi-So hottie, who was a virgin.

Well, to make a long strong short. After I worked my ass off, brought 2 homes in here, land, and stash away quite a bit of money. My angel decides to leave me for a local loser, whose passions are gambling and playing lucky numbers.

Of course, I was stupid enough to put everything in her name because the stupid ass Thai laws state that I can not put it in mine, so she ran away with a lot of my hard work, but above all else she ran away with my dream.

Now I am not a old ugly beer belly guy. I am 30, good looking guy. Maybe even better looking then the guy she ran off with.

Now I am leaving with a former Nana bar girl, turned university student, and future lawyer. She is a hottie too, but I get bored with her at times and she has given me the green light to go fuck around and have even gone with me to go-go bars and karaoke places. I don't give her any money, but pay for her schooling which comes out to 50, 000B ever term (5 months).

She has attempted to get additional money from me but I tell her to not go down that path in on way or another.

She wakes up every morning and the first thing she does if I'm having morning glory is drain my juices.

She will either suck me or fuck me whenever I am horny, which happens about 5-10 times everyday. And besides from the above-mentioned all she gets from me is multi-O s each day.

Also she was an anal virgin, but has since given the pleasure of filling that hole.

I routine play mind games with her by telling her that I will be leaving her. I have on 3 different occasions dumped her, but after a lot of crying and pleading from her I stayed.

Recently her younger sister (19) from up north, who is just as hot as her, broke up with her Thai BF and need a place to stay. The sister was thinking about her various options of employment in Bangkok and I was asked to give my opinion. One of the options for the sister was to go work at Nana.

In the end, I've decided to take the younger sister in.

As far as additional expenses are concern, there really isn't much because she eats what we (the two of us) eat. And is a rather simple her for being so hot. The sister doesn't complain about anything and doesn't ask for anything either.

I went down to Pratunam, wholesale clothing district and purchased some jeans and shirt for both of them. (my first gift after saying with the older sister, 20, for a year and a half.) The prices were amazingly inexpensive. Jeans that would normally go for 300-500B where 150B.

Anyway, I just realized that I am rambling on on. So I will get to the point. Should I have sex with the younger sister? (the older one has in one way or another hint that it was ok for me to make her sister a mia noi LOL)

Should I leave? Should I thank my lucky stars that I am living with two hot girls from Issan? Give me some inputs.You don't need any "inputs" mate, just look in the mirror a bit more often and try to pump a little more hot air into that underinflated ego.

Reading stuff like this really makes me wish I could believe in karmic payback.

PinkPearl
06-03-09, 19:37
Yep, that's why, even in Gogos, I order bottled water and I want to open the bottle myself.

The problem is, these cats are smart, the lady could well be rubbing the "substance" on her tits so that when you take a whiff: you're fucked ;)Do you also drink straight from the bottle, or use the potentially drug laced glass they provide you?

Have there been any cases of people being fucked from just taking a whiff, or is it necessary to lick the drug?

If just a whiff would do it, I'd have to wonder if the girl with the stuff on her breasts would be susceptible to its influence.

Having read the reports about being rendered unconscious by licking the substance on a breast, I avoid that practice unless I know the lady has just had a shower and washed that area.

AndyBKK
06-03-09, 19:41
I have invited girls who spend the night at my place to go out and most of politely decline and so I got to the bottom of it. ( FYI:I am not a old fat ass monster)

Here's a list of reason working girls don't like to go out during the day. In no particular order. Source: A Thai working girl

- Afraid to get tan ( being of Tan skin tone is a big no no and look down upon by the Thais)

- Have a Thai boyfriend

- Afraid that friends would see them with a man because they have lied about having a regular job working as night manager of some company, etc.

- Embarrass to be seen with a white guy in public

- Their clothes is suitable for night time wear only. If they are seen in the day time they look like *****s in public. ( ironic isn't it)

- They did not sleep last night, but lay next to you while you snored away. So they want to go home to sleep

- They think your either old, fat, ugly, retarded, or all of the above and will be embarrass to be seen with you in public.

- They look like shit without the 2cm thick layer of make-up on.

- They're just plain old lazy and would rather doing everything on their back ( just joking I had to throw this one in there.)

Opebo
06-03-09, 22:16
I can't say I blame them there, AndyBkk. I can think of few things more tiresome than 'hanging out' with a hooker. Well I don't mind a 15 minute chat afterwards but anything beyond that is pointless.

Regarding the nipple-drugging that some of the well-heeled seem to fear - just don't bring any more money than one sex act costs, plus extras. In my case this means I normally don't go about with more than around 1,200 baht on me.

As a caveat - everyone does make mistakes, and just a few weeks ago I forgot and had something like 3,000 with me, and it was pilfered in a Soi Six upstairs while I was in the shower.

NicFrenchy
06-04-09, 01:42
Do you also drink straight from the bottle, or use the potentially drug laced glass they provide you?

In a Gogo? forget it mate, if you order bottled water, you get no glass ;)


Have there been any cases of people being fucked from just taking a whiff, or is it necessary to lick the drug?

Well, these are things I have heard of, but my guess is that is happends more in the outdoor bars rather than Gogos

Old Thai Hand
06-04-09, 04:48
That's a very unfortunate linking, in my view. One appears to be both erudite and reflective, the other sounds like a halfwitted kid living his sex tourist fantasies. You decide which is which.

I haven't been called a 'kid' since my 87 y.o. mum died. Thanks. ;)

Opebo
06-04-09, 10:38
If you born into a poor Thai family as a guy, you will...

Actually, while your list was very entertaining, the vast majority of poor Thais, just like working class people anywhere, toil their whole life for their owners (and, strangely, with a high degree of conscienciousness, effort, and 'pride', pathetic though that may be).


... it's nothing for a dozen students to hand in the identical assignment ... But, when caught, and given a '0', they don't understand what they did wrong.

I'm just curious, why do you give them a '0'? I find it is better to go along with what is the norm in the mileiu in which one is a guest, particularly if one is being paid for the visit.

Sammon
06-04-09, 13:04
I have invited girls who spend the night at my place to go out and most of politely decline and so I got to the bottom of it. ( FYI:I am not a old fat ass monster)

Here's a list of reason working girls don't like to go out during the day. In no particular order. Source: A Thai working girl

- Afraid to get tan ( being of Tan skin tone is a big no no and look down upon by the Thais)

- Have a Thai boyfriend

- Afraid that friends would see them with a man because they have lied about having a regular job working as night manager of some company, etc.

- Embarrass to be seen with a white guy in public

- Their clothes is suitable for night time wear only. If they are seen in the day time they look like *****s in public. ( ironic isn't it)

- They did not sleep last night, but lay next to you while you snored away. So they want to go home to sleep

- They think your either old, fat, ugly, retarded, or all of the above and will be embarrass to be seen with you in public.

- They look like shit without the 2cm thick layer of make-up on.

- They're just plain old lazy and would rather doing everything on their back ( just joking I had to throw this one in there.)

I would add couple of reasons.
- They know very well she is a barfine and not your GF.
If it is your Thai GF she would go out with you all the time.
- You are on vacation. She has been everywhere and done everything.
You maybe excited to see the temples which she has seen many times.

Old Thai Hand
06-04-09, 13:10
I have invited girls who spend the night at my place to go out and most of politely decline and so I got to the bottom of it. ( FYI:I am not a old fat ass monster)

Here's a list of reason working girls don't like to go out during the day. In no particular order. Source: A Thai working girl

- Afraid to get tan ( being of Tan skin tone is a big no no and look down upon by the Thais)

- Have a Thai boyfriend

- Afraid that friends would see them with a man because they have lied about having a regular job working as night manager of some company, etc.

- Embarrass to be seen with a white guy in public

- Their clothes is suitable for night time wear only. If they are seen in the day time they look like *****s in public. ( ironic isn't it)

- They did not sleep last night, but lay next to you while you snored away. So they want to go home to sleep

- They think your either old, fat, ugly, retarded, or all of the above and will be embarrass to be seen with you in public.

- They look like shit without the 2cm thick layer of make-up on.

- They're just plain old lazy and would rather doing everything on their back ( just joking I had to throw this one in there.)


Ok. Now, you're just writing rubbish. I also suggest that you differentiate and say "BG report", as I somehow suspect you've never had any interaction with anyone but hookers from Isaan. I doubt you know anything at all about normal women here.

Also, as the new expert on everything, learn to differentiate between "North", which you keep referring to, when you mean Northeast".

Isaan, where you seem to get all your girls is Northeast. They are not Thai but Isaan-Lao or Isaan-Khmer with a smattering of Isaan-Vietnamese. They speak Isaan-Lao,(about 18 dialects), Isaan-khmer, or Passaa-Korat (a mixture of Isaan-Lao and central Thai). They have a different culture than the Thais. They also look different than Thais.

North is Lanna (Chiang Mai, Lampang, Kamphaeng Phet, Mae Hong Song, Chiang Rai etc.). They speak Northern dialect ("Sawasdee dee jaow"). Their culture is Lanna, not Thai. They also look different than Thais and are universally considered within the country to produce the most beautiful women.

You've been writing all these lists based on your "extensive" research into Thai culture. I would suggest the only Thai culture that you know is between Sukhumvit soi 4 and sukhumvit soi 23. The rest is a deep dark mystery to you.

Are you sure you're 30? You write like a 15 y.o. having a wet dream.

Old Thai Hand
06-04-09, 13:16
I'm just curious, why do you give them a '0'? I find it is better to go along with what is the norm in the mileiu in which one is a guest, particularly if one is being paid for the visit.

Actually, you're right. I just started a new semester and I've decided to just go with the flow. In the face of the overwhelming tendency to simple pass all students through regardless of effort, I decided that life is too short to try to instill anything approaching academic standards. I still get paid the same amount and everyone is happy.

AndyBKK
06-04-09, 14:17
Ok. Now, you're just writing rubbish. I also suggest that you differentiate and say "BG report", as I somehow suspect you've never had any interaction with anyone but hookers from Isaan. I doubt you know anything at all about normal women here.

Also, as the new expert on everything, learn to differentiate between "North", which you keep referring to, when you mean Northeast".

Isaan, where you seem to get all your girls is Northeast. They are not Thai but Isaan-Lao or Isaan-Khmer with a smattering of Isaan-Vietnamese. They speak Isaan-Lao,(about 18 dialects), Isaan-khmer, or Passaa-Korat (a mixture of Isaan-Lao and central Thai). They have a different culture than the Thais. They also look different than Thais.

North is Lanna (Chiang Mai, Lampang, Kamphaeng Phet, Mae Hong Song, Chiang Rai etc.). They speak Northern dialect ("Sawasdee dee jaow"). Their culture is Lanna, not Thai. They also look different than Thais and are universally considered within the country to produce the most beautiful women.

You've been writing all these lists based on your "extensive" research into Thai culture. I would suggest the only Thai culture that you know is between Sukhumvit soi 4 and sukhumvit soi 23. The rest is a deep dark mystery to you.

Are you sure you're 30? You write like a 15 y.o. having a wet dream.You're right I do write like a horny 15 y.o. and I think like one too. ( all I think about is sex)

And I should have titled the report better, but I guess I was thinking that the majority of the discussions on this forum is about working girls. If I was on a dating forum, I would have written reports differently because then the majority of the info would be on non-working good girls. Sorry!

I am merely relaying the info that was given to me by various girls that have slept at my place and decline to go out in the day light, but have no problem going out at night. And yes, the majority of them are working girls.

Would you prefer I not write my rubbish comments, which some viewers might read and think wow, he's right.

Disclaimer: I am living here, I like to pay for sex with a lot of girls, I like to write rubbish reports so that the newbies and those wishing to come to Thailand can get a glimpse of the real side of Bangkok. I know I have a crappy writing style couple with terrible grammar and spelling. My posts are the results of talking to Thai girls, Thai guys, university girls, and a result of my 1.5 years here.

If you love Thailand and think it's a perfect paradise and disagree with my posts then you can simply ignore them, otherwise you can comment about them and call me all the names you want. :) Thanks for reading.

Bumholes1
06-04-09, 23:07
Isaan, where you seem to get all your girls is Northeast. They are not Thai but Isaan-Lao or Isaan-Khmer with a smattering of Isaan-Vietnamese. They speak Isaan-Lao,(about 18 dialects), Isaan-khmer, or Passaa-Korat (a mixture of Isaan-Lao and central Thai). They have a different culture than the Thais. They also look different than Thais.



You do write a lot of crap sometimes!

"They are not Thai" Of course they are!

They may speak with different dialects, they may have been brought up in rural villages rather than polluted cities and they may have darker skin than your preferred Bangkok girls but Thai they most certainly are. And as regard to culture, yes it is different, but in my opinion preferable!

Throughout the UK, people speak with different dialects depending on where they live. Even the Geordies, the Liverpudlians and the Scots all of whom are difficult to understand if you come from London and the south are 100% British. The same is probably true with all western countries.

Old Thai Hand
06-05-09, 00:11
You do write a lot of crap sometimes!

"They are not Thai" Of course they are!

They may speak with different dialects, they may have been brought up in rural villages rather than polluted cities and they may have darker skin than your preferred Bangkok girls but Thai they most certainly are. And as regard to culture, yes it is different, but in my opinion preferable!

Throughout the UK, people speak with different dialects depending on where they live. Even the Geordies, the Liverpudlians and the Scots all of whom are difficult to understand if you come from London and the south are 100% British. The same is probably true with all western countries.

No. You're wrong. I'm not expressing opinion here. I'm reporting factual information.

They are NOT ethnically Thai. The Thais only come from the central region of the country and originated as the Tai in China. They also exist as the Tai or Dai in North Vietnam. The concept of "Thainess" was imposed on the country by the ruling Thais, in the 1940s in order to suppress cultural identity, and homogenize the people into one artificially-created identity in order to better control them. This has been one of the main causes of Thai racism in the last 60 years. This is why there is a strong move afoot to change the name of the country back to Siam, in order to, in fact recognize the ethnic and cultural diversity of at least 35 distinct groups.

I can tell you that my GF, who comes from Isaan does not consider herself Thai, and considers the Thai culture that was forced on her in school, and as depicted in the Thai media, to be alien to her real culture. Isaan is not a dialect of Thai, it is a separate language that few people in the rest of the country can understand. Go to an Isaan movie like "Yam Yasothon", and you'll note that there are Thai subtitles for everyone else in the country.

As for the Lanna culture in the north: They view themselves as completely different from anyone else in the country. They routinely speak a language that is maybe at best understood only about 50% by most Thais. They were forced militarily to become part of the country less than 100 years ago when King Rama V sent death squads to assassinate the Lanna Royal Family, who managed to escape into exile to Luang Prabang in Laos.

My comments, as you mistakenly imply are not meant to demean Isaan, but in fact to recognize its uniqueness as a completely separate entity within what is in fact a cultural polyglot, and not one disitinct culture called "Thai".

Your comparison to the dialects of England is not valid. The comparison might only begin to become valid, if you looked at Britain at around the 6th-11th centuries, when it was made up of ethnically and culturally distinct groups which have long since melded, more or less together. As an aside, I very much doubt if the Scots consider themselves as part of Britain, except politically and economically.

You can think of Thailand more like the former Yugoslavia. That would be a more accurate comparison.

Also, your comment about darker skin shows either a prejudice, a generalization and/or a lack of in-depth knowledge about the diversity of Isaan people. Darker skin is prevalent in Khmer-dominant Buriram, and Surin and sourthern parts of Udon Thani, for example. But, if you go to places like Nakhon Phanom, or Mukdahan, you'll find people who are quite light-skinned or even white. The lighter they are the purer Lao they are. Although, in Mukdahan, you also get some very light-skinned people who have Vietnamese blood in them. The various looks of just Isaan people, alone shows quite a varied influx of different ethnicities over the centuries.

Old Thai Hand
06-05-09, 00:31
And I should have titled the report better, but I guess I was thinking that the majority of the discussions on this forum is about working girls. If I was on a dating forum, I would have written reports differently because then the majority of the info would be on non-working good girls. Sorry!

That would be fine except that, firstly there are many on this forum who are interested in Thailand beyond the very limited scope of your experience and the experience of the P4P scene. Secondly, you recklessly refer to things as if they are generally true, when in fact they may be true only in that same narrow sphere of experience.



Disclaimer: I am living here, I like to pay for sex with a lot of girls, I like to write rubbish reports so that the newbies and those wishing to come to Thailand can get a glimpse of the real side of Bangkok.

Again, this is what I'm talking about. What you write about is not the "real side of Bangkok", but about a narrow corridor between Nana and Soi Cowboy.



My posts are the results of talking to Thai girls, Thai guys, university girls, and a result of my 1.5 years here.


1.5 years? Dude, you're still in stage one - The "I can't wait to get down to the bars and pick up another new slapper" stage. I was here 2 1/2 years before I finally got bored with and out of that opening phase of the expat experience. There's a big world out there, beyond the P4P scene.

I wouldn't mind any of your posts at all, as some are quite entertaining, if you had said initially that you were only writing about one very small portion of life in Bangkok of interest to newbies etc. Except that you have arrogantly set yourself up as some broad expert on Thailand and Thai girls, when in fact you know shit about either.

University girls? Where? Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money)

There are university girls and then there are "UNIVERSITY GIRLS"?

I've spent about 9 hours with about 50 UNIVERSITY GIRLS this week. Very informative.

Centaurus
06-05-09, 05:24
You've been writing all these lists based on your "extensive" research into Thai culture. I would suggest the only Thai culture that you know is between Sukhumvit soi 4 and sukhumvit soi 23. The rest is a deep dark mystery to you.Please do not discriminate against soi 33.

Fon Tok
06-05-09, 06:28
...I can tell you that my GF, who comes from Isaan does not consider herself Thai, and considers the Thai culture that was forced on her in school, and as depicted in the Thai media, to be alien to her real culture. Isaan is not a dialect of Thai, it is a separate language that nobody in the rest of the country can understand...I always enjoy it when my Isaan girlfriends refer to their home turf as "my country..."

And of course, for the benefit of those of us who understand a little Thai, the crafty daughters of Isaan often conduct telephone conversation in paasa Isaan to guarantee their privacy.

Thanks Prof. OTH, it's like a Social Geography lesson! Interesting discussion all around.

Old Thai Hand
06-05-09, 09:16
And of course, for the benefit of those of us who understand a little Thai, the crafty daughters of Isaan often conduct telephone conversation in paasa Isaan to guarantee their privacy.

Which is why they really get pissed off if you understand Isaan. It's their "secret code" and the last bastion of privacy. Even Thais can't understand them.

Fon Tok
06-05-09, 09:54
Which is why they really get pissed off if you understand Isaan...I just as soon not know what a paasa isaan conversation is about if a woman doesn't want me to. Letting her blow off steam or hatch a plan is one way of keeping her half sane around the apartment. There's an amazing pacifying effect that a mobile phone conversation, and/or a cable television show, can have on a busy, and/or tired, Thai "working" woman.

I think these women put up with a lot of crap from their customers (if P4P), their bosses (at work, mamasans, etc.), and their families (ma & pa, "sisters," etc.), and need a little space from time to time. I'm not tying to gloss over the fact that most of them are constantly cooking up something aimed at self-enrichment, but if it doesn't involve grabbing me too hard, I don't especially care.

There was a post by a ISG member named PosterLion back in March of this year that made me look at my bargirl friends in a different light. It's entitled, "I could be playing rummy but I’d rather be pensively reflective". I think I'll read it again.

the link: http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=855082&postcount=243

Opebo
06-05-09, 13:44
...Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money)

There are actually quite a few middle class people (well, more like very upper-middle class or local capitalist class), and Isaan people who attended Chula or Thammasat. Most of my Thai friends are this type, some from Isaan, some Central, but none are really rich. They're just the extremely bright, nerdy types, so it seems they can worm their way in, just like a few climbers do at Harvard and Yale.

But I do agree with your list, in general. Just that I end up knowing a lot of exceptions.

Member #3428
06-05-09, 21:26
University girls? Where? Ramkhamhaeng? (poor girls, "reformed" bargirls and the like - no money) Silpakorn, Mahidol, King Monghut? (upper middle class - mix of new and old merchant class money), Bangkok U? (rich girls - new money) Chula, Thammasat, (rich girls - old money).

You work in this field so you know most so I got some questions...

Rangsit is also decently expensive for thai standards from what I understand, it's private is it not (non govt.)? And while Ramkhamhaeng is dirt cheap and anyone who can breathe can get in, some of their studies are hard to finish. Meaning it's a piece of cake to get in but hard to finish and complete some of their programs. That's a Govt. run university is it not?

Mahidol is one of the higher govt schools yes or no? That is where I have lectured at times and do some work at as well as Mekong Institute. Ramkhamhaeng I've done some items with the Sports Authority of Thailand over that way so I know some about that one on a larger scale and they are completing a whole new business building now.

I've just dated girls from Rangsit and Ramkamhaeng. :D

Terry Terrier
06-05-09, 23:31
You can think of Thailand more like the former Yugoslavia. That would be a more accurate comparison.
:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?

Carsten71
06-06-09, 17:49
I am looking for a good way to find nice and good freelancer women in BKK. Internet would be great because I could try to reach them before I come to BKK next weekend.

Can somebody recommend websites of give other help to me???

Many thanks in advance.

Hollow Man
06-07-09, 00:55
3 is of another thai girl talking to a "boyfriend/sponser" while with another guy

And 4 is hidden cam video of the girl in the room before.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPmeih9522s

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW96esh1ZVA

Interesting stuff about what Thai chicks do

NicFrenchy
06-07-09, 05:11
I am looking for a good way to find nice and good freelancer women in BKK. Internet would be great because I could try to reach them before I come to BKK next weekend.

Can somebody recommend websites of give other help to me???

Many thanks in advance.

Right, what exactly are you looking for? Prostitutes or the occasional dating site with (supposedly) good girls?

If you want your garden variety Prostitute freelancing then here you go:

- Beergarden Soi 7
- New Wave Pool Bar soi 7
- Gullivers soi 5
- Thermae
- CM2
- Nana hotel Parking lot
- Macdonalds at the bottom of Robinsons soi 19

If you want a dating site:

- Thai love Links http://www.thailovelinks.com
- Thai Friend finder http://asiafriendfinder.com
- bangkok matching http://www.bangkokmatching.com

But the above websites are worthless unless you pay for the gold package where you are able to send adn receive messages.
Be careful as many prostitutes also use these sites

You can also try your luck with Hi5, Facebook, Camfrog

Old Thai Hand
06-07-09, 05:51
There are actually quite a few middle class people (well, more like very upper-middle class or local capitalist class), and Isaan people who attended Chula or Thammasat. Most of my Thai friends are this type, some from Isaan, some Central, but none are really rich. They're just the extremely bright, nerdy types, so it seems they can worm their way in, just like a few climbers do at Harvard and Yale.

But I do agree with your list, in general. Just that I end up knowing a lot of exceptions.

I think very much the exception, rather than rule.

When I used to teach at Chula, I had exactly 2 students from Isaan, out of perhaps 600+ students over 3 years.

Gamle
06-07-09, 05:53
are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting? You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

Old Thai Hand
06-07-09, 05:58
You work in this field so you know most so I got some questions...

Rangsit is also decently expensive for thai standards from what I understand, it's private is it not (non govt.)? And while Ramkhamhaeng is dirt cheap and anyone who can breathe can get in, some of their studies are hard to finish. Meaning it's a piece of cake to get in but hard to finish and complete some of their programs. That's a Govt. run university is it not?

Mahidol is one of the higher govt schools yes or no? That is where I have lectured at times and do some work at as well as Mekong Institute. Ramkhamhaeng I've done some items with the Sports Authority of Thailand over that way so I know some about that one on a larger scale and they are completing a whole new business building now.

I've just dated girls from Rangsit and Ramkamhaeng. :D


The saying about Ramkhamhaeng is that it's easy to get in, but hard to finish. I'd say that has more to do with the personal motivation of their students, than the difficulty of the coursework. It is a government open university.

Rangsit is private and a middle ranked school. Many of its Thai programs, especially in Communication Arts are quite good.

Mahidol, a government university is in the top 5 unis and is very difficult to get into. It has probably the best medical school in Thailand.

All government universities are moving towards becoming autonomous, which is scaring the shit out of a lot of the Thais because suddenly they will leave the safety of lifetime government employment and will now be held accountable (to a point). A lot of incredibly incompetent people who shouldn't go anywhere near a university are now likely going to lose their jobs because they can't hide anymore.

Gamle
06-07-09, 05:59
are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting? You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

Gamle
06-07-09, 06:07
:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

Old Thai Hand
06-07-09, 06:08
:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?

No. I merely meant that like Yugoslavia, Thailand is an artificial entity made up of ethnically diverse peoples and what were, not that long ago either semi-autonomous regions or completely independent kingdoms.

The central Thais, like the Serbs in Yugoslavia hold it together by 1/ money and economic control, 2/ military power, 3/ political control 4/ educational control.

There exists a considerable undercurrent of resentment among the groups who are not part of the ruling class. The recent unrest is only the tip of the iceberg.

But, there is also considerable antipathy between ethnic groups and regions.

The most obvious example is the on-going war in the south: Muslim, ethnically Malay vs. Buddhist, ethnically Thai elite. Part of the root of this war goes back centuries to the old southern kingdoms like the Kingdom of Pattani, forceably subjugated by the current Chakri dynasty.

Gamle
06-07-09, 06:36
:eek: are you suggesting that things may be about to move beyond the control of the local mafiosa/old money? There doesn't appear to be any faction pushing for this inside Thailand. The push in Yugo came from the outside. What are you suggesting?You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.

Opebo
06-07-09, 10:47
Mahidol, a government university is in the top 5 unis and is very difficult to get into..

Both of my 'real girlfriends' in Thailand studied at this one.

Biz99
06-07-09, 11:56
The saying about Ramkhamhaeng is that it's easy to get in, but hard to finish. I'd say that has more to do with the personal motivation of their students, than the difficulty of the coursework. It is a government open university.

Rangsit is private and a middle ranked school. Many of its Thai programs, especially in Communication Arts are quite good.

Mahidol, a government university is in the top 5 unis and is very difficult to get into. It has probably the best medical school in Thailand.

All government universities are moving towards becoming autonomous, which is scaring the shit out of a lot of the Thais because suddenly they will leave the safety of lifetime government employment and will now be held accountable (to a point). A lot of incredibly incompetent people who shouldn't go anywhere near a university are now likely going to lose their jobs because they can't hide anymore.

I teach at two of the (perceived superior) Bangkok universities. While I would like to think that there is this amount of change coming, I just don't see it.

Likewise with the comment that there is "an undercurrent of resentment" among the disenfranchised. Maybe I am spending my time with "the haves" but I see little change coming in Thailand. I wish I felt otherwise, but the peasants here are pretty conservative.

More likely, in my view, is the other countries in the region will leave Thailand further and further behind as development and change happen there. I hope that my sense of things is wrong, but Thailand and change do not fit in my mouth at the same time.

Opebo
06-07-09, 12:27
I teach at two of the (perceived superior) Bangkok universities. While I would like to think that there is this amount of change coming, I just don't see it..

I don't get why you and OTH are so eager to see your workplaces become more demanding. Working for the government, in a bureacracy, with little accountability is a dream job.

GoodEnough
06-07-09, 13:03
More likely, in my view, is the other countries in the region will leave Thailand further and further behind as development and change happen there. I hope that my sense of things is wrong, but Thailand and change do not fit in my mouth at the same time.
No worries about the Philippines leaving Thailand behind. It's more corrupt and, with 7,000+ islands, there are huge difficulties in mobilizing any sustained political movements. The people are equally or perhaps more passive, poverty more rampant, and nothing ever changes.
GE

Biz99
06-07-09, 14:43
I don't get why you and OTH are so eager to see your workplaces become more demanding. Working for the government, in a bureacracy, with little accountability is a dream job.


If you can leave your standards behind, it is a dream job. The big problem is when you measure things against what they could be, as opposed to what they are, and if you set the bar at any height you will be frustrated.

Old Thai Hand
06-07-09, 16:06
I teach at two of the (perceived superior) Bangkok universities. While I would like to think that there is this amount of change coming, I just don't see it.

Likewise with the comment that there is "an undercurrent of resentment" among the disenfranchised. Maybe I am spending my time with "the haves" but I see little change coming in Thailand. I wish I felt otherwise, but the peasants here are pretty conservative.

More likely, in my view, is the other countries in the region will leave Thailand further and further behind as development and change happen there. I hope that my sense of things is wrong, but Thailand and change do not fit in my mouth at the same time.

I basically agree with you. I've spent far too much time with the 'haves', as well, in the last 5 years, to believe that major change will come anytime soon. But, nevertheless, there still is "an undercurrent of resentment" and it's huge. There isn't the harmony in this country that the 'haves' would have everyone believe, despite their best efforts to keep the masses sedated and under control through mind-numbing pseudo-nationalism. There's also a lot of regional and ethnic racism and resentment despite the best efforts of the institutions of this country to create a national identity. The whole notion of "Thainess" is just a facade.

Old Thai Hand
06-07-09, 16:13
If you can leave your standards behind, it is a dream job. The big problem is when you measure things against what they could be, as opposed to what they are, and if you set the bar at any height you will be frustrated.

You also have to swallow your pride and kiss a lot of Thai ass, never rock the boat and watch quietly as they take credit for your accomplishments.

This is why I've switched to part-time from being full-time at these "venerable" (tongue firmly placed in cheek) institutions. You can just go in, teach and leave without getting dragged down by the pettiness, gossiping, and back-stabbing politics. You make more money this way, as well and as long as the students like you, they pretty much leave you alone.

Member #3428
06-07-09, 16:17
I basically agree with you. I've spent far too much time with the 'haves', as well, in the last 5 years, to believe that major change will come anytime soon. But, nevertheless, there still is "an undercurrent of resentment" and it's huge. There isn't the harmony in this country that the 'haves' would wish for in order to keep the masses sedated by pseudo-nationalism and under their control. There's also a lot of regional and ethnic racism and resentment despite the best efforts of the institutions of this country to create a national identity. The whole notion of "Thainess" is just a facade.

Shoot, there is huge resentment and racism going on. Basically I think it is more of a powder keg then you folks do. The High Society and Bangkok Elites will do what they can to hold onto power but as some stated, maybe it was FonTok, most isaan people consider up north a separate country. Down south is a totally different story and country in itself. NorthWest is a totally separate issue.

With the work I do, I see thailand holding together on a shoe string and we are afraid to enter into any agreements for the last year, and when we are close to any agreements there is a change in political leadership so we have to start all over. Look at the turmoil in the government over the past two years to see who can remain in control, there is way too many interests for one group to run the country right now.

Professor 1
06-07-09, 17:18
I don't get why you and OTH are so eager to see your workplaces become more demanding. Working for the government, in a bureacracy, with little accountability is a dream job.

While I cannot speak for OTH and the other Thai univ profs, it can be rather disappointing for those who love working in academia to be stuck in universities that lack standards and support students who feel entitled to degrees their low-achieving records notwithstanding. Now, I would rather work at a univ than not; however, I have had my share of the student who should not be there. Also, you learn much when you work with good students who want to learn and share their knowledge. This is a universal thing, not limited to Thailand. Believe me.

Barko
06-07-09, 17:55
You also have to swallow your pride and kiss a lot of Thai ass, never rock the boat and watch quietly as they take credit for your accomplishments.

This is why I've switched to part-time from being full-time at these "venerable" (tongue firmly placed in cheek) institutions. You can just go in, teach and leave without getting dragged down by the pettiness, gossiping, and back-stabbing politics. You make more money this way, as well and as long as the students like you, they pretty much leave you alone.You can quote me on this OTH.

The Thais fuck up everything, yes everything.

So, think about it, all business is simply wrapped around "Find a need and fill it", right? So, the Thais try to have the Thais fix it, but then it just gets much worse. After letting them try to fix it 3 times, it is totally FUBAR.

Therefore, if you are the REAL "fixer", you become god. Get in, fix it, get out. Don't make friends, don't let them call you in the middle of the night, and make sure they pay you at least 50% in a bank transfer up front. Cash ain't nothin but trash, they never cough up what they say they are. Also, make sure that you can fuck the thing up again real fast if they don't pay the rest, and, make sure that they know it too.

Learn how to make that face with a tight brow like you feel so sorry for them, and that tight little smile, you know, like: Jeezuz you people are sooo fucking retarded, I want to laugh at you, but I really just want your money. If you want it done right, shut up, pay up, and stay the fuck out of my way." Yeah, you know, THAT look. Just remember NOT to roll your eyes when they start with all of their lame motherfucking money excuses. Just say, "Oh, excuse me, I have a call about another contract, shall we talk again in a month or two? " Walk away and get in your car, then watch what happens. They'll call, they always do. They might hate you, but they will call.

Thais WILL NEVER EVER figure out that it's far better (and cheaper) to do it right from the beginning.

Terry Terrier
06-07-09, 21:52
No. I merely meant that like Yugoslavia, Thailand is an artificial entity made up of ethnically diverse peoples and what were, not that long ago either semi-autonomous regions or completely independent kingdoms.

The central Thais, like the Serbs in Yugoslavia hold it together by 1/ money and economic control, 2/ military power, 3/ political control 4/ educational control.

There exists a considerable undercurrent of resentment among the groups who are not part of the ruling class. The recent unrest is only the tip of the iceberg.

But, there is also considerable antipathy between ethnic groups and regions.

The most obvious example is the on-going war in the south: Muslim, ethnically Malay vs. Buddhist, ethnically Thai elite. Part of the root of this war goes back centuries to the old southern kingdoms like the Kingdom of Pattani, forceably subjugated by the current Chakri dynasty.
OK, I agree with you about the disparity within Thailand. I just interpreted (maybe mistakenly, I concede) that you were likening the current situation in Thailand to the one ten-or-so years ago in the former Yugoslavia, Buddha forbid!

Terry Terrier
06-07-09, 22:05
You got IT ALL WRONG. Check the facts of history first before speaking up. The former republic of Yugoslavia did break up because of the independence declaration of Slovenia that got borders with Italy and Austria, very soon after followed by Croatia and the wish of Macedonia to leave the union of Yugoslavia. If not check a bittorrent download like tpb and download the BBC squeal of six documentary of the breakup of Yugoslavia to sort out the facts.

And yes, OTH, are not completely wrong on this issue. My wife have been watching it too. All six. And her conclusion as a High School teacher are the same. She says this could be Thailand one day.
We are discussing the similarity between the ethnic disparities of the former Yugo and the current Thailand. The Serbian mafia's subsequent brutally obscene, genocidal control of the fractured Yugo is only relevant to this discussion if we think that events in Thailand could pan out in a similar way in Thailand's regions.

Old Thai Hand
06-09-09, 01:03
We are discussing the similarity between the ethnic disparities of the former Yugo and the current Thailand. The Serbian mafia's subsequent brutally obscene, genocidal control of the fractured Yugo is only relevant to this discussion if we think that events in Thailand could pan out in a similar way in Thailand's regions.

Given that large segments of the country, especially south of Bangkok are run by various mafia warlords, it's not beyond the realm of possibility that turf wars couldn't break out that could escalate to full-blown factional violence in the right circumstances.

AndyBKK
06-09-09, 23:58
Does anyone have any Thai sites with listings of p4p girls? I saw a thing on the Thai news about these sites, but my Thai is not to the point where I can find these sites, so can you longer term resident help me out?

OldAsiaHand
06-12-09, 16:18
An interesting dialogue in response to my post about the current cost of sponsorship.

OTH's comment about a middle class girl is sound, however, how many 26 yo, hot, middle class girls want to have anything to do with a 50+ yo farang? How many want anything to do with a farang period? When they walk down the street with a farang, what do the locals think? IMHO, this is why most farang take the easy route with bargirls or naive poor country girls.

I do believe that TGs have a certain "magic" about them. The Isarn girls actually do practice a form of black magic to keep their men although this is surely hocus pocus. However, why do so many farang fall into the trap? IMHO, the TGs are probably the best actresses in the world.
I monger all over Asia and other parts of the world and Thailand by far has the highest incidence of this sponsorship albeit also a lot in China by overseas Chinese guys.

I would like to know why these girls have such a strong desire to support the whole family and why the families take advantage of this. How many of you would want your daughter or sister selling her ass in Pattaya?

I've been around awhile and not stupid enough to fall into the same trap that you "jaded" contributors on this thread warn us about. That said, I must say that I was very tempted recently by what I would also describe as TG magic. I want to believe that there are some genuine and sincere, poor TGs out there somewhere in the country. Is this not the case?

Just my POV.

OAH